Saturna Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 19, 2022

[0:00:01] Trustee Patrick: It's recording. Are you ready for me to call this order?

[0:00:05] Trustee Patrick: Alright. Good morning, everyone.

[0:00:10] Trustee Patrick: It feels like it was a very long time ago that we were in this hall with people.

[0:00:20] Trustee Patrick: I'm excited to be back here on Saterna.

[0:00:23] Trustee Patrick: And I'm going to call this regular meeting of the Saterna Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:28] Trustee Patrick: I always begin with acknowledging how fortunate we are to be gathering in the traditional unceded territories of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:36] Trustee Patrick: I know as I myself go on this journey of reconciliation,

[0:00:41] Trustee Patrick: recently I had the opportunity of being out in a boat with the Laiacian Nation elders going out to the island of Valdez,

[0:00:52] Trustee Patrick: and we stopped on top of an area that was a extremely large clam garden there just south

[0:00:59] Trustee Patrick: of shingle spit on valdez island and spoke about the the history and the importance and the

[0:01:07] Trustee Patrick: populations that must have been here that were a clam garden of that size well i'm like i said i'm

[0:01:16] Trustee Patrick: laura patrick i'm elected on salt spring island and chair this local trust meeting and i'm joined

[0:01:20] Trustee Patrick: We're joined today by Trustee Lee Middleton and Trustee Paul Brent, and together we make up your local trust committee.

[0:01:27] Trustee Patrick: We have some staff with us today.

[0:01:29] Trustee Patrick: Robin Elcheck is going to be the minute taker and kind of keep us organized.

[0:01:33] Trustee Patrick: And we have Planner Brad Smith.

[0:01:36] Trustee Patrick: Many of you may not have

[0:01:38] Trustee Patrick: had an opportunity to meet Brad over the years.

[0:01:40] Trustee Patrick: I'm pleased to have Brad as your final planner.

[0:01:44] Trustee Patrick: So this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning

[0:01:49] Trustee Patrick: matters

[0:01:50] Trustee Patrick: and discuss relevant business. This is a place of employment and our staff have

[0:01:55] Trustee Patrick: the right to a safe and respectful workplace. And there will be a moment for

[0:02:00] Trustee Patrick: you and an opportunity to speak in a few minutes, but first I'm going to turn our

[0:02:05] Trustee Patrick: attention to the agenda. Trustees, are there any changes or corrections that need to be made to the agenda?

[0:02:13] Trustee Patrick: No,

[0:02:13] Voice 3: looks awesome. Can

[0:02:14] Trustee Patrick: we approve that for Jonathan's end? Yes, yes.

[0:02:17] Trustee Patrick: Great, well then this is your

[0:02:19] Trustee Patrick: opportunity to speak. Trustees, who would like to go first?

[0:02:23] Trustee Middleton: Trustee Croninger, you're

[0:02:27] Voice 3: the only one who can go first.

[0:02:28] Voice 3: It's not fair.

[0:02:32] Voice 3: So, really about the only thing that I have attended in respect

[0:02:36] Voice 3: of the Islands Trust was I was at a

[0:02:40] Voice 3: Trust Programs Committee meeting a few days ago

[0:02:45] Voice 3: and we discussed the Community

[0:02:49] Voice 3: stewardship awards and we also discussed where we were going with the policy

[0:02:56] Voice 3: policy statement rewrite and it was acknowledged that there was a significant

[0:03:04] Voice 3: number of people that had written in and a significant number of people that

[0:03:10] Voice 3: that appeared not in favor of continuing on

[0:03:14] Voice 3: with the policy, draft policy statement.

[0:03:20] Voice 3: Some of the comments made were that this,

[0:03:23] Voice 3: the large number of people really just represented

[0:03:27] Voice 3: a small minority and very vocal minority

[0:03:30] Voice 3: in the trust area.

[0:03:33] Voice 3: And there was some questions as to whether staff

[0:03:37] Voice 3: or the consulting firm could figure out

[0:03:40] Voice 3: how we could um acknowledge that and perhaps discount those loud voices and there were other

[0:03:46] Voice 3: trustees that noted that their constituents were worried about fiscal responsibilities since we

[0:03:53] Voice 3: had spent so much money on this policy statement externally and internally on staff time that we

[0:04:00] Voice 3: should proceed ahead with it and

[0:04:02] Voice 13: other

[0:04:03] Voice 3: trustees that said this is no different than what we always

[0:04:06] Voice 3: you see at the trust 30 years ago there were people that were against the trust and and so

[0:04:13] Voice 3: it's really just no different and so status quo was fine and then I mentioned that this island

[0:04:18] Voice 3: really did feel that way that the majority of people were quite concerned about the

[0:04:22] Voice 3: policy statement review and how it how it had unfolded and so I sort of disagreed with everyone

[0:04:29] Voice 3: else and thought that we should indeed if we go out and canvas people to provide information

[0:04:35] Voice 3: that we should take it seriously and so that was really all that all that

[0:04:41] Voice 3: happened in my world that's

[0:04:46] Trustee Middleton: very enlightening thank you very much so I

[0:04:52] Trustee Middleton: guess the perhaps the most significant thing and it didn't involve Paul and

[0:04:57] Trustee Middleton: council in the larger sense as well was rubbish I don't think we had received it

[0:05:03] Trustee Middleton: prior to our last local trust committee meeting and this I'm referring to the

[0:05:08] Trustee Middleton: the Governance and Management Review from Great Northern Management Consultants,

[0:05:12] Trustee Middleton: whom we engaged to conduct that review, guided by an interim committee of the Trust Council,

[0:05:21] Trustee Middleton: the Governance Review Committee, or Select Committee, as the terminology was, that I chaired.

[0:05:29] Trustee Middleton: And the work was conducted over the past year, and they released their report in sort of late,

[0:05:34] Trustee Middleton: I guess to the public in late February it was received by by trustees a couple

[0:05:40] Trustee Middleton: weeks before so they could get familiar with the contents and and I think it is

[0:05:46] Trustee Middleton: a fairly significant it's a it's a it's a significant report and that I think it

[0:05:52] Trustee Middleton: is very incisive and I would say from my view accurate in terms of some of the

[0:05:58] Trustee Middleton: challenges the trust is facing in looking to the next 30 years it's

[0:06:06] Trustee Middleton: basically talked about organizations of any size and any nature are always need

[0:06:12] Trustee Middleton: to pay attention to their mechanics of governance and in fact such

[0:06:16] Trustee Middleton: organizations at the Bank of Canada have in their charter that there be a

[0:06:20] Trustee Middleton: mandatory governance review every five years of their operations so so the

[0:06:25] Trustee Middleton: So when you say what is governance, well, it's basically how does the organization make decisions, how does it plan for the future, how does it oversee its budget, and obviously the trust right now has governance mechanisms in place.

[0:06:39] Trustee Middleton: But what the report showed was more or less 15 recommendations where the trust could improve within the scope of current legislation the way it basically operates itself.

[0:06:52] Trustee Middleton: And so Trust Council received the report and, Laura, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I would

[0:06:59] Trustee Middleton: say generally favorably.

[0:07:01] Trustee Middleton: Some of the recommendations, I think, are needing a bit of time for some people to get their heads around.

[0:07:08] Trustee Middleton: One of which is that the Council hires its secretariat function, so hires a person who reports to Trust Council

[0:07:15] Trustee Middleton: and coordinates the, shall we say, the political life of what is in essence a political body,

[0:07:22] Trustee Middleton: which is all the elected trustees from the 13 islands,

[0:07:25] Trustee Middleton: and that is then a separate function from the management role in Islands Trust.

[0:07:30] Trustee Middleton: So in order to shepherd all of this, the first recommendation was the Trust Council establish a governance committee.

[0:07:37] Trustee Middleton: Now, I know, Laura, you had made an attempt, which unfortunately just in the fog of communication

[0:07:47] Trustee Middleton: unfortunately was misinterpreted, I guess, and not acted upon, that Trust Council convene

[0:07:55] Trustee Middleton: separately from their meeting in June in order to debate establishing a governance committee.

[0:08:03] Trustee Middleton: and I think the lynch in there is the suggestion that was that this be an

[0:08:08] Trustee Middleton: interim committee to kind of digest the results of the governance review and

[0:08:13] Trustee Middleton: there are those and I'm one amongst them who think that it what we should

[0:08:17] Trustee Middleton: immediately establish is as as the report recommended a permanent committee

[0:08:21] Trustee Middleton: of governance knowing there's only a few months left in this term but what that

[0:08:26] Trustee Middleton: will mean is the newly elected trustees will be have a committee to fill right

[0:08:31] Trustee Middleton: away they won't have to get their heads around what is this governance issue why

[0:08:34] Trustee Middleton: do we need a committee the committee structure will already be there ready

[0:08:38] Trustee Middleton: and waiting for them and presumably this will be a matter of discussion during

[0:08:42] Trustee Middleton: the election and people couldn't state what their views are to candidates in

[0:08:46] Trustee Middleton: terms of governance reform the report is public it's on the trust website and so

[0:08:51] Trustee Middleton: therefore people can come a bit full armed with a position about where they

[0:08:55] Trustee Middleton: they stand as is natural and healthy in a democracy so that's you know I could

[0:09:02] Trustee Middleton: go on at some length about this about the recommendations I urge you to have a

[0:09:05] Trustee Middleton: look at it on the website but I think we're now to a point where we're gonna

[0:09:10] Trustee Middleton: having this debate that the June Trust Council meeting about how to move

[0:09:13] Trustee Middleton: forward and establish a governance committee is step one some of the

[0:09:18] Trustee Middleton: questions that then come out of that is how our executive elected and is there a

[0:09:22] Trustee Middleton: way that the executive can be elected in a way that allows for more deliberation

[0:09:26] Trustee Middleton: rather than the executive making a pitch in a, you know, the first

[0:09:32] Trustee Middleton: meeting we have and then being chosen and in the job for four years.

[0:09:37] Trustee Middleton: There are recommendations that there be changes to how that process happens but

[0:09:41] Trustee Middleton: step one is the governance committee. So yeah, I think, is there anything else you

[0:09:48] Trustee Middleton: think I should say about that or is that good enough for now in terms of an

[0:09:51] Trustee Middleton: overview and an insight as to just what's recently been happening i'll turn it over then thank you

[0:09:57] Trustee Patrick: well that is the the next meeting is the trust council meeting is in june uh june 21st through

[0:10:03] Trustee Patrick: 23rd uh it will be a virtual meeting so no need to travel um i i assume i don't think i've set

[0:10:11] Trustee Patrick: the schedule yet but typically the on the 20th the evening of the 21st would be the public

[0:10:16] Trustee Patrick: town hall delegation part so keep an eye out for that to the best way to find out

[0:10:23] Trustee Patrick: is to subscribe if you go to the website then you have power subscribe to up to

[0:10:31] Trustee Patrick: the website and you'll get a notice you'll get an email telling the

[0:10:35] Trustee Patrick: information on that so those people who wish or want to do delegation the

[0:10:42] Trustee Patrick: deadline for your delegation materials is three weeks before that I believe

[0:10:46] Trustee Patrick: that's around June 2nd so pay attention to those deadlines as they always come fast and yes there

[0:10:53] Trustee Patrick: will be lots to debate and discuss at this next meeting and as virtual meetings are what they are

[0:10:59] Trustee Patrick: but it allows us all to come together without any travels that's the good thing so that this is your

[0:11:06] Trustee Patrick: chance to speak to us now we have a little bit of an unusual format today so after the town hall

[0:11:13] Trustee Patrick: we're

[0:11:13] Voice 1: going to have a

[0:11:14] Trustee Patrick: community information meeting on the winery so during the town hall

[0:11:17] Trustee Patrick: this is you don't need to ask questions or talk about if you could just hold on to that

[0:11:23] Trustee Patrick: for a moment we will then after the town hall uh talk about the winery application and then

[0:11:29] Trustee Patrick: open the floor again just on that application if that makes sense for people so like i said

[0:11:35] Trustee Patrick: this is your chance to talk to us i i know you are a polite lot i don't keep a timer

[0:11:41] Trustee Patrick: But if you are going on and on and on, I might ask you to wrap up if you're circling around in your conversation.

[0:11:47] Trustee Patrick: Talk to the trustees here, not to other individuals.

[0:11:52] Trustee Patrick: And we always talk about issues, not people.

[0:11:55] Trustee Patrick: And as always, just be clear, concise, and respectful, as I have been.

[0:12:00] Trustee Patrick: This is being recorded.

[0:12:01] Trustee Patrick: I should have said that earlier.

[0:12:02] Trustee Patrick: This microphone is very powerful, so it should be able to pick you up without a problem from where you're sitting.

[0:12:09] Trustee Patrick: And if you're whispering, it'll pick that up too.

[0:12:17] Trustee Patrick: All right, who would you like to talk to today?

[0:12:20] Trustee Patrick: May or you, I think.

[0:12:23] Voice 14: I'll start with the US subject in my last talk.

[0:12:25] Voice 14: Sure.

[0:12:30] Voice 14: So, I'm from Poland.

[0:12:32] Voice 14: I live on the Central Island.

[0:12:36] Voice 14: I am concerned about the last of three reports made by Groundwater Solutions.

[0:12:41] Voice 14: The third report discussed groundwater availability in the southern Gulf Islands to include Ceterna.

[0:12:51] Voice 14: The water projects on North Pender and Galliana have stated that they are the first part of

[0:12:57] Voice 14: the phased rollout across the islands to include Ceterna.

[0:13:01] Voice 14: Therefore, in this situation, the issue with the groundwater solutions report should be

[0:13:06] Voice 14: up for discussion.

[0:13:07] Voice 14: I asked for this to be on the agenda and I believe that the trustees from CETERNA asked for that as well and it's not on the agenda and didn't have a response.

[0:13:19] Voice 14: I believe that the water use and creation in the third groundwater solutions report is flawed and should be reviewed technically before any regulations are pushed through.

[0:13:28] Voice 14: The reports have only been in the public domain since January 2022 when they were catalogued.

[0:13:35] Voice 14: I asked some specific questions which have not yet been addressed. If there is no further response, I propose that the water use details for Saturna, and some of my other questions, are critically reviewed in the Saturna LTC.

[0:13:52] Voice 14: Ideally, there should be base acts at the meeting and plenty of time for questions to

[0:13:56] Voice 14: be asked and answered.

[0:13:58] Voice 14: I was disappointed to find that it's not on the agenda today and that I didn't have a

[0:14:04] Voice 14: response to my request.

[0:14:06] Trustee Patrick: So, thank you.

[0:14:09] Trustee Patrick: I was going to say, I do understand staff are preparing a response, but Paul?

[0:14:15] Voice 3: I just want to acknowledge Marie's concern and let you know that I've forwarded

[0:14:20] Voice 3: your statement to be included in the minutes. So there's a record of it.

[0:14:27] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:14:28] Voice 6: I just

[0:14:31] Voice 5: make a point that, so your request did come, we had lots of emails. The trustees didn't specifically request that it be on the agenda, so it was really just an oversight in terms of why your item was not on the agenda for discussion.

[0:14:44] Voice 5: and with respect to the actual report itself and where things are at, I think we're at a really early stage with that work

[0:14:51] Voice 5: and then we're a long way from establishing new regulations on Penner and Gallaudet or where this discussion is even starting to occur

[0:14:59] Voice 5: so I understand your concerns but just to alleviate your immediate concerns around timeline

[0:15:06] Voice 5: I don't think that there's anything actively being pursued and that there would be lots of community discussion and dialogue

[0:15:12] Voice 5: long before the local trust committee made any changes to regulations around water management or

[0:15:20] Voice 5: for example in saturn right now you don't have a a potable water standard so you don't have a

[0:15:27] Voice 5: set standard for example when someone applies to rezone for a residential lot whereas many of the

[0:15:34] Voice 5: other islands have a standard established a minimum number of leaders per day that a

[0:15:41] Voice 5: groundwater source for example needs to produce to allow for development so those are the kinds of

[0:15:50] Voice 5: regulations that could be looked at

[0:15:52] Voice 5: in the future but I would say that I mean you are involved

[0:16:01] Voice 14: Thank you for your response. I followed the North Pender RTC meetings, and I don't think they're a long way off, just my opinion.

[0:16:14] Voice 14: I'm on the other

[0:16:14] Voice 4: end of this, I can't speak to it.

[0:16:16] North Pender, they were supposed to produce GPA maps very

[0:16:20] Voice 14: recently, etc, etc.

[0:16:23] Voice 14: I don't think they're a long way off.

[0:16:25] Voice 14: They would like to think they're not a long way off,

[0:16:27] Voice 14: but certainly I think they are probably hoping to push some things through

[0:16:33] Voice 14: before the election, I would say.

[0:16:35] Voice 14: But thank you.

[0:16:36] Trustee Patrick: I chair North Pender, and I'm not sure where things are going,

[0:16:40] Trustee Patrick: so it's one step at a time, and we'll see where it goes.

[0:16:44] okay sorry yes yes you're next i just uh have a question on governance review i heard your report

[0:16:52] was it fair to say

[0:16:53] Voice 13: that at the moment the trust was doing that um

[0:16:59] Trustee Middleton: i mean if one were wanting to

[0:17:02] Trustee Middleton: open a covenancy or a machine at work uh no that doesn't exist um but in terms of it being placed

[0:17:11] Trustee Middleton: amongst the political decision makers for action

[0:17:14] Trustee Middleton: that it's firmly going to be on the agenda

[0:17:19] Trustee Middleton: for the June Trust Council meeting

[0:17:23] Trustee Middleton: for decision on the key driver,

[0:17:28] Trustee Middleton: which in my view would be the standard governance committee.

[0:17:33] Trustee Middleton: There is a

[0:17:33] Voice 3: motion, I believe.

[0:17:35] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:17:35] Trustee Patrick: there's a table motion that hasn't been moved yet,

[0:17:39] Trustee Patrick: but i can tell you that staff that there's the whole second piece on land use that's quite

[0:17:43] Trustee Patrick: detailed and i know staff have jumped right into that section of the report and looking at the

[0:17:51] Trustee Patrick: practices and things that they're doing so it's not that the report is just sitting

[0:17:54] Trustee Patrick: sitting someplace it is actively being used

[0:17:57] Trustee Middleton: and can i just make a comment about the groundwater

[0:18:02] Trustee Middleton: reports i think i totally have to apologize i know that on i both intended to a place that

[0:18:08] Trustee Middleton: your correspondence and and review of the um of the research work done to date and it might just

[0:18:17] Trustee Middleton: be the case of he and i both assumed one of the other would do it and then unfortunately neither

[0:18:21] Trustee Middleton: of us did do it um so apologies for that because i think you raised some significant issues like

[0:18:27] Trustee Middleton: in terms of how we get answers to these questions as maybe something we can talk about now is

[0:18:31] Trustee Middleton: the fact that all the national park reserve zoning is labeled as irrigated land

[0:18:36] Trustee Middleton: that that needs much much better explanation we currently have as to why

[0:18:42] Trustee Middleton: that would be and what the implication of that is because obviously that's

[0:18:44] Trustee Middleton: unless we're a misunderstanding the terminology that's extremely

[0:18:48] Trustee Middleton: counterintuitive as to what goes on and unless the active hand of God is

[0:18:55] Trustee Middleton: something you know subject to planning through the Alice Trust in the future

[0:18:58] Trustee Middleton: maybe but it's it's something that we obviously need to to look at and I don't

[0:19:07] Trustee Middleton: know maybe addressing an undergrad where where these questions can be I mean

[0:19:12] Trustee Middleton: they were fairly succinctly put by by Maureen and I would expect that they

[0:19:17] Trustee Middleton: could be answered as presented by the if not the study authors that perhaps our

[0:19:23] Trustee Middleton: groundwater specialist may look into and give us some critical analysis as to

[0:19:27] Trustee Middleton: to what a response might be.

[0:19:30] Trustee Middleton: Would that be fair to say?

[0:19:32] Trustee Patrick: I know I did check in with William Schuller

[0:19:35] Trustee Patrick: when I had read your comments

[0:19:38] Trustee Patrick: and was preparing to come over to the meeting.

[0:19:40] Trustee Patrick: So I know he said he was preparing a response to you.

[0:19:45] Trustee Patrick: And I think I know you, I'm a geologist.

[0:19:47] Trustee Patrick: I think you are.

[0:19:48] Trustee Patrick: You are too.

[0:19:49] Voice 10: So as a

[0:19:49] Trustee Patrick: fellow geologist, you know, models are what models are.

[0:19:54] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's the important thing of it.

[0:19:57] Trustee Patrick: But it is a process still being built and the inputs and so forth that go into the model,

[0:20:03] Trustee Patrick: they do always end up with something that's a bit quirky or strange, and that's the nature

[0:20:08] Trustee Patrick: of modeling.

[0:20:09] Trustee Patrick: But my understanding is that they're still having to do that aspect of it here for Citerna

[0:20:16] Trustee Patrick: to correct those type of things, but I know he is working on a response.

[0:20:21] Trustee Patrick: So

[0:20:22] Voice 2: related to that, I'm just curious, I've afforded coming to these meetings for a long time, but, so we as a farm, we have to get a license for our water.

[0:20:39] Voice 2: And we have to pay three times because we have to have three separate licenses and we can't improve a license.

[0:20:50] Voice 2: So how is this whole process coordinated with the provincial licensing process?

[0:20:58] Voice 2: That's one of my questions too. I also have

[0:21:01] Voice 16: farms and have been going through the same thing.

[0:21:05] Voice 2: I have to pay to water my cows,

[0:21:07] Voice 16: I have to

[0:21:08] Voice 2: pay to grow my grass, and I have to pay to kill the lambs.

[0:21:12] Trustee Patrick: there is one of the benefits of the freshwater strategy that was known as a

[0:21:19] Trustee Patrick: commitment to harmonize with the province on the various processes

[0:21:24] Trustee Patrick: because we don't want anyone to have to feel like they have to go through

[0:21:28] Trustee Patrick: multiple steps so the licensing I don't know your rules here but I'm like salt

[0:21:33] Trustee Patrick: spring it's basically if the license is required for commercial or agricultural

[0:21:37] Trustee Patrick: cultural, we're not stepping in between that.

[0:21:42] Trustee Patrick: That's good enough for our decisions

[0:21:45] Trustee Patrick: is basically what we're saying.

[0:21:46] Trustee Patrick: If you get your license, we don't need to say,

[0:21:48] Trustee Patrick: well, we need to prove something else different

[0:21:50] Trustee Patrick: in relationship to water.

[0:21:51] Trustee Patrick: The license is that proof.

[0:21:56] Trustee Patrick: So that is a provincial program

[0:21:58] Trustee Patrick: for the licensing of groundwater.

[0:21:59] Trustee Patrick: Right now, residential use is not included.

[0:22:03] Trustee Patrick: There are actions for volunteering.

[0:22:08] Trustee Patrick: registration of wealth, but that's a voluntary thing.

[0:22:10] Trustee Patrick: So I don't know about your specific case,

[0:22:14] Trustee Patrick: but if you need a license, it's the provincial program.

[0:22:18] Trustee Patrick: The

[0:22:18] Voice 3: provincial program is flawed, Chair.

[0:22:21] Trustee Patrick: Could be.

[0:22:22] Trustee Patrick: There's been a lot of complaints about the program.

[0:22:24] Trustee Patrick: Well, we haven't seen our license.

[0:22:26] Trustee Patrick: No, we've had it before.

[0:22:27] Trustee Patrick: They're way, this is, I think we're way understaffed

[0:22:31] Trustee Patrick: of what they were expecting or needed

[0:22:33] Trustee Patrick: for rolling out a program of this nature.

[0:22:35] Trustee Patrick: See,

[0:22:38] Voice 17: I had to go to Nanaimo to fill out that application and do it personally with somebody

[0:22:44] Voice 17: because you couldn't do it online.

[0:22:47] Voice 17: It was impossible.

[0:22:48] Voice 17: And then I find we have to pay a minimum amount for each of these three things.

[0:22:54] Voice 17: They don't have one minimum.

[0:22:56] Voice 17: It's all of the minimums.

[0:22:57] Voice 17: And none of them, not one of them meets the minimum like what the actual cost would be.

[0:23:04] Voice 17: It doesn't

[0:23:05] Voice 17: really recognize that. And we have nothing other than my bank statement that says they've got that money.

[0:23:17] Voice 6: Interesting.

[0:23:17] Trustee Patrick: I know they're, like I said, way understaffed for what they needed for rolling out a program like this.

[0:23:24] Trustee Patrick: and that's unfortunate, but I know as far as going forward we're trying to make sure our programs are harmonized

[0:23:33] Trustee Patrick: and that we're not duplicating

[0:23:35] Voice 17: our efforts on a going forward.

[0:23:38] Voice 17: Because we actually use less water than a lot of people use on their gardens.

[0:23:42] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:23:45] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. John?

[0:23:48] Voice 12: Actually, when I go there and I register, I can very well look at more than one user.

[0:23:55] Voice 12: Not just whether it's commercial or agriculture or whatever.

[0:23:59] Voice 12: It's more than one user.

[0:24:01] Voice 12: We brought in those ones to turn and I said, okay, where are your wells?

[0:24:12] Voice 12: And that was way, you know, some places half a mile away from where the well actually is.

[0:24:20] Voice 12: And so, the whole thing is, really, with each model, they don't even know where to put it.

[0:24:34] Voice 12: And so, and the other thing, the other thing is that it sort of tries to steer you away

[0:24:55] Voice 12: from drilling holes in the ground.

[0:24:58] Voice 12: And, you know, how many gallons a minute says you're going to drill a hole in the ground

[0:25:02] Voice 12: And there should definitely be more criteria to say whether you've got water or not.

[0:25:08] There should be

[0:25:09] Voice 12: water attachments, how much water ran off, how much storage you've got.

[0:25:15] Voice 12: All of these things should suffice for good water.

[0:25:20] Voice 12: You don't need to drill a hole in the ground.

[0:25:23] And the hole, for some reason, is totally based on drilling a hole in the ground.

[0:25:31] They don't even want to talk to you, the brewing officer, unless you drill holes in the ground.

[0:25:37] And, you

[0:25:40] Voice 12: know, the calibration of how many gallons a minute that well produces is really minimal.

[0:25:47] Voice 12: I mean, let's brush the drill.

[0:25:49] Voice 12: You've got to hit some water.

[0:25:50] Voice 12: You don't know whether it will do that continuous.

[0:25:55] Voice 12: You don't know whether it will do that in September.

[0:25:59] Voice 12: The more I've read about studies in groundwater, it's kind of very obvious to me the less they know.

[0:26:10] Voice 12: Very much so.

[0:26:11] Voice 12: And so, you know, to sort this groundwater out, it's just not going to be an easy patch.

[0:26:19] Voice 12: It's going to be a long, long, long, and it's got to be thought about.

[0:26:23] Voice 12: It's like climate change or anything else.

[0:26:25] Voice 12: The whole situation is going to be brought up, all the sources of water, everything else, and, you know, I mean, just the simple fact that you don't want to use desalination is, is, is that very often.

[0:26:47] Voice 12: It's the only way they can get further.

[0:26:50] Voice 12: And finally, I'd like to say, when Paul was talking about, you know, the chief and the senator,

[0:26:57] Voice 12: I said, you know, right away, the press needs to say, oh, it's a very vocal minority.

[0:27:02] Voice 12: Well, it's interesting, right?

[0:27:04] Voice 12: It seems to me that most all vocal minorities are somebody that doesn't agree with you.

[0:27:09] And I think this is much the case with the press.

[0:27:12] If

[0:27:13] Voice 12: people aren't ready, we might have to double the rainwater.

[0:27:19] Voice 6: Oh, thank you. Did you want to respond first?

[0:27:21] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, well, maybe Paul first because he found a standing resolution that may happen.

[0:27:27] Voice 3: Just so that you're aware, John, we share your concern.

[0:27:30] Voice 3: And we and I and Laura passed a standing resolution a few months ago, and I'll just read it,

[0:27:36] Voice 3: that the Saturna Local Trust Committee endorses the use of potable rainwater catchment systems

[0:27:42] Voice 3: as proof of adequate potable water for residential subdivision, subject to the withholding of temporary or final occupancy permits until such catchment systems are in place.

[0:27:53] Voice 3: So here we are, we're doing what we can to try to move that into...

[0:27:58] Voice 12: I realize you guys do,

[0:27:59] Voice 12: but the policy takers don't seem to be looking that way at all.

[0:28:05] Trustee Patrick: Well, trustees haven't even had a chance to have an input into that statement yet at the Trust Council table.

[0:28:14] Trustee Patrick: Regarding the provincial program, groundwater is a resource that launched the province.

[0:28:21] Trustee Patrick: And this is a program that they're working on. It's had a bumpy road to get rolled out.

[0:28:26] Trustee Patrick: They will catch up eventually and get their systems up and running.

[0:28:29] Trustee Patrick: But again, it's the data of where the wells are.

[0:28:33] Trustee Patrick: They've been collecting this data since, I don't know, in the 40s from the old drillers that drilled it,

[0:28:39] Trustee Patrick: and they described where it was, and those things are now digitized into systems.

[0:28:43] Trustee Patrick: So there are inaccuracies in the system as to where wells are today and what's the story on.

[0:28:50] Trustee Patrick: So it's an incomplete set of data.

[0:28:52] Trustee Patrick: The new rules that the province have going forward is to hopefully have higher quality, better data,

[0:28:59] Trustee Patrick: going into the system as we go forward and so it is going to be you're going to discover these

[0:29:06] Trustee Patrick: things when you go up and look at the map and depending the age of the well it could be

[0:29:11] Trustee Patrick: on your neighbor's land and it's not but that's that's what

[0:29:16] Trustee Patrick: they'll figure out as they go forward

[0:29:25] Voice 5: I was going to speak a little bit more to her e-mail and see if she can address it.

[0:29:36] Voice 6: Sure,

[0:29:36] Trustee Middleton: I'll just briefly comment because it relates to what Brad said before.

[0:29:40] Trustee Middleton: is we have been tackling this issue of sufficient quality and quantity of

[0:29:47] Trustee Middleton: groundwater as a means of providing for residential use in the bylaws both it

[0:29:53] Trustee Middleton: was in the secondary suite issue and that it came up in the vacation rentals

[0:29:57] Trustee Middleton: and it's come up obviously in some

[0:30:00] Trustee Middleton: division, that since Walkerton, local governments have been very loath to touch what is a definition

[0:30:07] Trustee Middleton: of sufficient, certainly quality, as well as quantity, and that some of this mapping

[0:30:12] Trustee Middleton: work that the trust was engaging in would lead us to be allowed to make actually a definition

[0:30:17] Trustee Middleton: which we've been told the approving officer with the ministry would abide by because in

[0:30:23] Trustee Middleton: absence of any standard presented to them, they default to this super high blanket standard.

[0:30:29] Trustee Middleton: but if the local authority actually has a standard they will defer to that that

[0:30:34] Trustee Middleton: we of course don't haven't got as Brad pointed out we don't have that standard

[0:30:37] Trustee Middleton: but our goal when some of this work was to actually come up with the standard

[0:30:41] Trustee Middleton: that would encompass rainwater and would encompass much lower flow systems than

[0:30:46] Trustee Middleton: the Ministry of Transportation currently looks for so I think as maybe John said

[0:30:52] Trustee Middleton: that's a long-term process but that's definitely part of where we want to we

[0:30:57] Trustee Middleton: want to go and this resolution was just sort of a signpost to say yeah we we want potable water

[0:31:04] Trustee Middleton: to be considered um from rainwater attachment um so

[0:31:08] Trustee Middleton: yeah it's it but it does seem to be taking a

[0:31:12] Trustee Middleton: while before i do that um all

[0:31:18] Trustee Patrick: right i'm sorry brown did you want before we leave did you want

[0:31:20] Trustee Patrick: to talk about the water issue i just

[0:31:22] Voice 5: want to i'm looking back at miss poland's email she's seeking

[0:31:27] Voice 5: I guess a CIM or some kind of agenda discussion, LTC could add that to their agenda as a later

[0:31:37] Voice 5: item today to have that discussion and talk about if and how you want to engage staff

[0:31:44] Voice 5: in coming to present information, for example, to the local trust committee and the public

[0:31:49] Voice 5: to have a first conversation around that data and start to talk about where you might want

[0:31:56] Voice 5: to go with i think staff would be quite uh open to hearing your thoughts just like they are with

[0:32:02] Voice 5: galliano and uh north panther in terms of what you want to do with this information and if you

[0:32:07] Voice 5: actually want to um consider you know i mean those two violence to improve i guess my trustees the

[0:32:16] Trustee Patrick: the the new report came out for the uh saltwater intrusion as well right now

[0:32:23] Trustee Patrick: let's release that

[0:32:23] Trustee Patrick: You

[0:32:24] Voice 5: could also pass a resolution asking staff specifically to respond to Ms. Boland's questions.

[0:32:33] Voice 3: John,

[0:32:34] Voice 5: I'll make that motion

[0:32:34] Voice 3: that staff turn around.

[0:32:37] Voice 3: Local Trust Committee, move that staff respond directly to the questions posed by resident Marie Boland.

[0:32:46] Voice 3: And I sent those questions to Robin.

[0:32:51] Voice 8: You did?

[0:32:52] Voice 3: I did, yeah.

[0:32:53] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:32:53] Voice 6: can you just Robin did you get the motion? No, she didn't get the motion. Well,

[0:33:04] Voice 3: it wasn't just repeat

[0:33:07] Trustee Patrick: your motion, please. Right? Come on memory work.

[0:33:11] Voice 3: Of course,

[0:33:11] Trustee Patrick: at

[0:33:13] Voice 3: the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee,

[0:33:16] Voice 3: request staff address the questions

[0:33:21] Voice 3: provided by resident Marith Boland.

[0:33:25] Voice 3: And earlier, maybe a half hour or 45 minutes ago,

[0:33:30] Voice 3: Rob and I sent you precisely what Marith spoke to

[0:33:35] Voice 3: in the meeting.

[0:33:38] Trustee Patrick: Is that seconded?

[0:33:39] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[0:33:40] Trustee Patrick: any discussion

[0:33:42] Voice 6: i'll

[0:33:44] Trustee Patrick: follow up then all those in favor and that's carried okay

[0:33:48] Trustee Middleton: and could we do one

[0:33:49] Trustee Middleton: more just per brett's i think it's a good idea we do a community information meeting but maybe

[0:33:54] Trustee Middleton: rather than do it today we actually invite uh i

[0:33:59] Voice 5: wasn't suggesting you how to see it

[0:34:02] Voice 5: sure

[0:34:03] Trustee Middleton: it's a good one but i think we could make the motion then at our next meeting

[0:34:06] Trustee Middleton: We invite staff to present an overview of the ground law study book today as it pertains to Saturna, and that will be purely for an information and question and answer session with the community, you know, to seek greater understanding.

[0:34:26] Trustee Middleton: and then we could have a discussion about given what we've heard is there

[0:34:31] Trustee Middleton: enough there to chart a direction forward in terms of you know potential

[0:34:35] Trustee Middleton: future policy which would obviously be in the next term but it would be a good

[0:34:39] Trustee Middleton: discussion to have so that's a very long-winded motion

[0:34:44] Trustee Middleton: I

[0:34:44] Trustee Patrick: just need to ask that a community information meeting be scheduled is that

[0:34:49] Voice 5: what you want a CIM or you just want a staff report and a meeting discussion to

[0:34:53] Voice 5: start with i think that's probably yeah that's probably

[0:34:57] Voice 5: the best way to start yeah yeah because

[0:34:59] Trustee Middleton: it's not filling the legal requirements

[0:35:01] Voice 5: so it's some updates from staff was to where that work

[0:35:04] Voice 5: is at and some summary of information particular to saturn yeah and then from there we can decide

[0:35:12] Voice 5: what to do and

[0:35:13] Trustee Middleton: if possible we could ask that our groundwater specialist come and present that because

[0:35:17] Voice 5: he i think he enjoyed it yeah

[0:35:19] Voice 5: developing that that'd

[0:35:20] Trustee Middleton: be great do you

[0:35:22] Trustee Patrick: need a resolution for that

[0:35:23] Trustee Patrick: them well let's come back to that in a moment so we'll carry on with this and

[0:35:28] Trustee Patrick: then that you can think of what you want for a resolution okay so I have a second

[0:35:31] Trustee Patrick: I just

[0:35:35] Voice 18: really encourage you not to just have a talking to the communities

[0:35:39] Voice 18: that are listening to the community with whatever information you have thank you very

[0:35:46] Voice 18: much all right Priscilla

[0:35:47] Voice 16: I am really

[0:35:50] Voice 16: I'm really appreciating this discussion about water. I got my phone call from the province last August and one of the things that was surprising was that I was paying taxes from two years before and I said, well, I didn't get any service from that. And he said, yeah, I know this is a hard sell. And I said, yeah, it's a pretty hard sell here.

[0:36:09] Voice 16: So what I see the province doing and why, and I'm going to quickly get back to the trust here,

[0:36:16] Voice 16: this is new for me as a person with farm status and farm land, all of the stuff around there,

[0:36:25] Voice 16: and it involves me as the owner doing the work that the province used to do,

[0:36:30] Voice 16: which would be to come out and assess you and help you, walk you through this,

[0:36:34] Voice 16: and see if they would explain to you why they're doing this and what the purpose is.

[0:36:40] Voice 16: And missing that input and trying to figure things out online means that your buy-in is much more limited

[0:36:51] Voice 16: and your sense of somebody participating with you and your comprehension of what you're helping,

[0:37:01] Voice 16: what you're doing, which is a better understanding.

[0:37:03] Voice 16: and if this is even going to get you there. So I now have a logbook. I get updates on my email that I'm supposed to go out there every month or two and do various things, which don't make too much sense to me.

[0:37:15] Voice 16: so I find that's happened a lot not only with the trust in terms of having a

[0:37:24] Voice 16: digitized questionnaire given by people that I don't know and who are trying to

[0:37:31] Voice 16: explain various parts of discussion on logging or not logging or all of the

[0:37:39] Voice 16: things that got people so worked up they don't really know they're there to

[0:37:43] Voice 16: they've been paid to put out a questionnaire they're doing their best and they've got some

[0:37:47] Voice 16: colored pamphlets but it's a whole step removed from our land use bylaw and what we know happens

[0:37:57] Voice 16: on saturn so water we're an island water is really critical for development from the very beginning

[0:38:03] Voice 16: we talked about water we have special bylaws for east point we had the interest of people from

[0:38:10] Voice 16: Simon Fraser who did long-term studies on well water and salt water intrusion

[0:38:15] Voice 16: so this is a pretty educated community and the further we get from our actual

[0:38:22] Voice 16: experience of living on these islands the more difficult it is to participate

[0:38:27] Voice 16: in digital discussions or but this is the area where we have expertise I have

[0:38:35] Voice 16: a well log from my well it was put in in 1990 I know exactly where it is and I

[0:38:40] Voice 16: I know about it, and I'm about to drill another well.

[0:38:42] Voice 16: So all of us are pretty familiar with where our water comes from,

[0:38:47] Voice 16: and as Lee pointed out, we've used that to make some significant decisions

[0:38:53] Voice 16: about density in certain areas, which for developers and people who want to do stuff,

[0:38:58] Voice 16: that's what they want to do.

[0:38:59] Voice 16: I mean, just look at Channel Ridge over there on Salt Spring for you

[0:39:03] Voice 16: and for various places on Galliano.

[0:39:06] Voice 16: So I'm saying that's a place where we need to harmonize, as you said, that information and only we know really what's accurate on this island.

[0:39:18] Voice 16: And I think we get further and further from being able to actually share that in a knowledgeable manner.

[0:39:25] Voice 16: I use a minute amount of water and now the amount of administrative crap that I have to fill in is huge.

[0:39:31] Voice 16: And I think it doesn't bode well for us on the ground being able to make good decisions

[0:39:38] Voice 16: as we get spread between the province, the CRD, and the Trust.

[0:39:44] Voice 16: So that's my second point, is reading the driftwood, listening to various things online.

[0:39:53] Voice 16: With the three of you sitting there, you would almost think not very much has happened, but

[0:39:58] Voice 16: But the amount of people who come armed with huge opinions

[0:40:02] Voice 16: about how much the trust is spending,

[0:40:04] Voice 16: about the value of the trust,

[0:40:06] Voice 16: about what we're gonna do going forward,

[0:40:08] Voice 16: I don't see a format to look at that

[0:40:11] Voice 16: and it distresses me a lot.

[0:40:14] Voice 16: I would like very much a preserve and protect mandate

[0:40:17] Voice 16: means a lot to me.

[0:40:18] Voice 16: I hear a lot of uninformed opinions

[0:40:21] Voice 16: and I see about four people who have attended trust meetings

[0:40:25] Voice 16: since the very beginning in this audience.

[0:40:27] Voice 16: and those are the people I have far more interest in their opinions than I do in a number of people

[0:40:33] Voice 16: who either just got off the boat last year or ten years ago if they have not been involved in the trust process.

[0:40:39] Voice 16: It's been an evolving and important part of island life and where will that discussion occur?

[0:40:48] Voice 16: When will it occur? From the very minutia of what are we going to do about water on Saturna

[0:40:56] Voice 16: to what is this

[0:40:58] Voice 16: governance structure which has had such a

[0:41:00] Voice 16: hand in the islands being developed

[0:41:01] Voice 16: where would you like

[0:41:04] Voice 16: our engaged

[0:41:05] Voice 16: informed input

[0:41:07] Voice 16: to be

[0:41:10] Voice 16: that's a question for all three of you

[0:41:12] Voice 16: I know Paul you feel very strongly

[0:41:15] Voice 16: you've written really strong

[0:41:16] Voice 16: comments in the scribbler

[0:41:18] Voice 16: Lee you've written him too

[0:41:20] Voice 16: you guys are obviously very worried

[0:41:22] Voice 16: but I don't know where

[0:41:24] Voice 16: to engage with that

[0:41:25] Voice 16: Well,

[0:41:26] Trustee Patrick: I can tell you, one of the findings of the governance review was exactly that, engagement.

[0:41:32] Trustee Patrick: And I go further. The preserve and protect mandate says, we always keep saying preserve and protect, preserve and protect,

[0:41:41] Trustee Patrick: but there's three other words in that mandate that to me are just as important.

[0:41:45] Trustee Patrick: In cooperation with. And that means we have to do it with you, with the community, with the other jurisdictions

[0:41:55] Trustee Patrick: restrictions and all the players in this busy world that we're in, and I am really frank,

[0:42:01] Trustee Patrick: I think we do a good job of that. I always lecture, I say we have to lean into that,

[0:42:06] Trustee Patrick: that's where the richness is, is when we lean into and work in the in-cooperation side.

[0:42:13] Trustee Patrick: We do care, we live on the islands, we do care, and we don't do a good job of that,

[0:42:19] Trustee Patrick: and we have to get better it's it's it's critical this

[0:42:27] Voice 3: is really what the

[0:42:28] Voice 3: governance one of the things that the governance review talked about and so I

[0:42:33] Voice 3: can assure you that there are many trustees that are are wanting this

[0:42:43] Voice 3: review analysis whatever you want to call it how to do preserve and protect

[0:42:48] Voice 3: attack better, more effectively. They're engaged at many levels trying to push this whole idea.

[0:43:00] Voice 3: Certainly the three of us are. Some of that isn't transparent to you, but some of the stuff has to,

[0:43:07] Voice 3: you know, it's really with different levels of government. And so, yeah, I would actually think

[0:43:13] Voice 3: Pretty much everyone that's a trustee right now is focused on that.

[0:43:19] Voice 3: How do we go forward?

[0:43:21] Voice 3: I mean, the governance review identified that the province is not at the table whatsoever.

[0:43:27] Voice 3: And yet, we are a creature of the province.

[0:43:31] Voice 3: And there are many questions that are being asked that only the province can provide answers for.

[0:43:37] Voice 3: And so, I think you'll find that we're going to do our level best.

[0:43:41] Voice 3: we all trustees most trustees to engage the province in helping us helping us

[0:43:50] Voice 3: determine the best way to to improve the situation we have today and you know

[0:43:56] Voice 3: it's going to be quite a process but we have to engage with with the province

[0:44:01] Voice 3: and and and see if they're going to go along with us yeah

[0:44:10] Trustee Middleton: it's because the

[0:44:12] Trustee Middleton: trust itself has taken the view that the way to seek your feedback to answer

[0:44:17] Trustee Middleton: to your question was this islands originally the islands 2050 uh visioning process and then

[0:44:24] Trustee Middleton: your input onto the policy statement um drafts right which is i think what you referenced where

[0:44:31] Trustee Middleton: you talked about the consultants but i think what's happening now is the trust is under pressures

[0:44:38] Trustee Middleton: like never before because the land use planning tool has perhaps it's been a very effective tool

[0:44:45] Trustee Middleton: I think everyone would admit it has moderated the pace of development that might otherwise have happened, but the lines have now largely been drawn, and the communities are bigger, and people are asking for more services and kind of viewing the trust like though it's a local government that has a budget and an ability to deliver local services.

[0:45:05] Trustee Middleton: It's like, and I know you wrestle with this very frequently, that there is something the trust can do, but it's a very hard road.

[0:45:13] Trustee Middleton: This is affordable housing or forestry policy or, you know, all the things that you've seen.

[0:45:19] Trustee Middleton: And it's like, is there a better way to make this vision come more from the grassroots of people who live here and perhaps other stakeholders,

[0:45:28] Trustee Middleton: like provincial government members who have a view to act as trustees

[0:45:34] Trustee Middleton: for all the provincial residents who don't live here

[0:45:37] Trustee Middleton: but want to see the islands protected per the wording of the Act.

[0:45:41] Trustee Middleton: Is there a better way to do that?

[0:45:42] Trustee Middleton: I think there is, but I don't want to put that as faulting the people

[0:45:48] Trustee Middleton: who've tried to, you know, like, I think they made the best effort,

[0:45:52] Trustee Middleton: but I just don't think it can function.

[0:45:55] Trustee Middleton: I think there's too much pressure on the trust for a simple public engagement show and tell to be seen as successful, and you see the pushback.

[0:46:08] Trustee Middleton: So how could it be done differently?

[0:46:10] Trustee Middleton: Well, I think, honestly, it seems like a very minor thing, but I think the governance of the organization has to become more robust in order to be able to accommodate different viewpoints and arrive at a consensus and move forward.

[0:46:25] Trustee Middleton: Whereas right now, a different viewpoint is eight times out of ten seen as an effort to dismantle the trust.

[0:46:33] Trustee Middleton: And that's not healthy.

[0:46:34] Trustee Middleton: That's a dysfunctional organization when any desire to correct its course, make it perhaps better, or be critical and say, no, stop doing that, and here's the reasons why, is met with an idea that the trust is a consensus political body.

[0:46:53] Trustee Middleton: Well, to me, what that says is those who have the political power are doing so behind the

[0:46:59] Trustee Middleton: scenes and what's happening is that's an unhealthy situation and the chickens are coming home

[0:47:05] Trustee Middleton: to roost, so to speak, where people feel disempowered about the activities and operation of the

[0:47:10] Trustee Middleton: trust.

[0:47:11] Trustee Middleton: It's good to have disagreement, but get it out there.

[0:47:13] Trustee Middleton: Get it out there into the political process that we actually have to guide the trust.

[0:47:18] Trustee Middleton: and so that's kind of my so i you know i think these conversations really meaningfully have to

[0:47:23] Trustee Middleton: happen next around the election and people can say what they stand for like it's you know by

[0:47:27] Trustee Middleton: all means have a view that's widely disparate but have that conversation and then people can

[0:47:33] Trustee Middleton: be elected not so much i mean what i like i like to think that we as a group of trustees have done

[0:47:38] Trustee Middleton: this term is defining issues more so that it's less i'm for the environment versus i want to

[0:47:46] Trustee Middleton: put the brakes on environmental protection. I mean, that's very nebulous. That's not

[0:47:52] Trustee Middleton: matching the complexity of the world we live in on these islands, right? You need people who I think

[0:47:57] Trustee Middleton: have seriously think through the policies and have a plan and a way to move forward and perhaps

[0:48:02] Trustee Middleton: listen or a plan for listening. So that's kind of my view is how to do that, have these deep

[0:48:08] Trustee Middleton: conversations around the election and to see what we get and see how we can move forward.

[0:48:12] Trustee Middleton: Thank

[0:48:15] Voice 2: you for considering the question.

[0:48:16] Voice 2: No, thank you.

[0:48:17] Voice 2: All right.

[0:48:19] Trustee Patrick: Hey, John.

[0:48:21] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, yeah.

[0:48:23] Voice 12: I think you're right.

[0:48:27] The preservation of the tech,

[0:48:29] the one thing

[0:48:30] what you say

[0:48:32] is

[0:48:33] Voice 12: what exactly

[0:48:37] Voice 12: is the definition

[0:48:38] Voice 12: of the thing you're talking about.

[0:48:46] The lifestyle, the community,

[0:48:48] all of those things.

[0:48:51] I believe it's all of those things, but the public

[0:48:55] Voice 12: statement really doesn't go that far to say that there's a lot of pressure being put on the trust.

[0:49:01] Voice 12: Well, I believe that they're fighting that pressure, you know, by statements and...

[0:49:18] Trustee Patrick: Anyone else?

[0:49:19] Trustee Patrick: I guess we're going to go on to the next conversation if you're ready.

[0:49:23] Trustee Patrick: We're going to have more conversation, but thank you very much.

[0:49:26] Trustee Patrick: Your input is always important.

[0:49:27] Trustee Patrick: Please reach out to either your trustees or to the Islands Trust because we do want to hear from you and it is important.

[0:49:38] Trustee Patrick: Okay, with that we're going to turn on to the newest item which is our community information meeting aspect on the Feral Goat Winery and liquor license expansion application.

[0:49:52] Trustee Patrick: And I will go to you, Planner Smith, to pick things up.

[0:49:57] Voice 5: Sure. So the CIM is for the application for an expansion to allow for a bistro and open patio to be established at their winery.

[0:50:14] Voice 5: and explain the hours, and we do have the applicants represented here, so I'm glad that you can speak to your proposal.

[0:50:42] Voice 11: Well, I can, maybe we'll make a quick presentation, and then we will.

[0:50:47] Voice 11: So,

[0:50:47] Voice 15: just to prepare some...

[0:50:48] Yeah, that's great, that's kind of what I was wondering about.

[0:50:51] Oh, okay.

[0:50:51] Push it, put the piece in there.

[0:50:53] Yeah.

[0:50:55] Voice 15: That's good enough.

[0:50:57] Voice 10: Great.

[0:50:58] Voice 15: So first of all, just thank you all for coming out today, we appreciate this opportunity and thanks also for all the support that we've received from the community and the letters that you've written and just in person, I think that you said it's just been very meaningful to us, really appreciate it.

[0:51:15] Voice 15: The reason for today's meeting, to put it succinctly, is that when we acquired the vineyard in 2020, the previous owner's license and endorsements had all expired, so we had to start the process over again.

[0:51:27] Voice 15: So while it says that we're applying for a new license to do things, we're actually trying to reinstate what was there because those licenses are expired and not doing anything radical.

[0:51:40] Voice 15: The new application is subject to review by the local government, which is why these guys are here, and you are here because they are required to provide a positive community and get community input.

[0:51:50] Voice 15: I'd also like to reiterate, just in the spirit of what everyone was just saying, we also are very open to community input and really enjoy discussions and ideas and input about what we're doing.

[0:52:01] Voice 15: So this is not a formality for us to get community input on what we're doing. This is a really important part of the process to make sure that what we're doing is coincident with what the community wants.

[0:52:16] Voice 15: This is my PowerPoint because I'm not powerful.

[0:52:25] Voice 15: So what we have at the moment is we have granted by the provincial government a primary liquor manufacturing license.

[0:52:34] Voice 15: And that was granted to us in October 17, 2021. What this license allows is we can manufacture wine and cider.

[0:52:44] Voice 15: We can sell our wine on-site by the bottle, and we can sell it through the hospitality industry and by our liquor stores.

[0:52:55] Voice 15: We are also permitted to have a designated area on-site called a tasting area or a sampling area, and we can sell wine in small quantities there.

[0:53:06] Voice 15: What we are not able to do at the moment is we cannot sell wine by the glass or the bottle to people who are down here at the Easter.

[0:53:13] Voice 15: much about my show-tel, Feral Goat Bistro, that's our, that's our sign over there, and the vineyard itself is called Sage Digger Vineyards,

[0:53:22] Voice 15: and the whole Feral Goat Winery thing is, that's how we started that agonizing process of coming up with anything better than the Feral Goat Winery.

[0:53:32] Voice 15: So anyway, um, where was I, so we can set up a tasting room, what we can't do is, at this bistro that we're trying to get,

[0:53:40] Voice 15: We're not currently committed to serve anyone a glass of wine or a beer to have with their lunch.

[0:53:48] Voice 15: The endorsement that we've requested is the next sort of sequential step in the licensing process that began with the manufacturing.

[0:53:59] Voice 15: This endorsement will extend our current license and it will mean we can serve more than just samples and we can serve alcohol other than wine.

[0:54:09] Voice 15: In terms of precedence, as I've said, as many of you remember, it was possible to have lunch at the bistro and enjoy a glass of wine.

[0:54:17] Voice 15: That was possible because the previous owners had a lounge in front of them.

[0:54:21] Voice 15: We're just looking to set up the same system so that it's possible for you guys to come down, have lunch, and have a glass of wine.

[0:54:29] Voice 15: So, for those of you who don't know us, I'll just give a quick background on who we are and why we're here.

[0:54:34] Voice 15: I'm speaking on behalf of the ownership group, which is my husband, Doug, myself, Doug's brother, Ian, and Doug's brother's wife, Wayne.

[0:54:46] Voice 15: So it's two brothers and a few brothers' wives.

[0:54:49] Voice 15: Brothers do a lot of the work, and brothers' wives make a lot of the decisions.

[0:54:54] Voice 15: They should have.

[0:54:55] Voice 15: so um the haywards as a family we've been on for over 30 years starting with the um sort of family

[0:55:06] Voice 15: center of our project we now between us all we've got four homes on saturn so we're here

[0:55:13] Voice 15: for the duration we're part of the community um oh it's

[0:55:20] Voice 4: okay all right

[0:55:21] Voice 15: um and this community

[0:55:25] Voice 15: The community really means an enormous amount to us. We're all

[0:55:28] Voice 16: here, first of

[0:55:29] Voice 15: all, because we've chosen to be here and the community matters a lot.

[0:55:33] Voice 15: Some of our

[0:55:34] Voice 15: fondest memories over those three decades are, I'm sure, shared with you.

[0:55:38] Voice 15: It's just the wine in the bistro. It's a beautiful place to go down.

[0:55:42] Voice 15: Sun-drenched

[0:55:43] Voice 15: patio to go and sit on in the summer time.

[0:55:45] Voice 15: It's a fabulous place to take friends and visitors when they come to the island.

[0:55:48] Voice 15: And it's a beautiful place for family celebrations,

[0:55:52] Voice 15: and we've had many of those down here that used to be in our tradition.

[0:55:57] Voice 15: So, bottom line, when we heard two years ago that Seastar was selling the property, we were worried.

[0:56:04] Voice 15: We were worried because already Seastar had kind of set the precedent that they were using the property to grow grapes,

[0:56:10] Voice 15: but the grapes are going to be harvested and made into wine on tender,

[0:56:13] Voice 15: and the ability to sort of integrate the operation to be out on its own had already been diminished from when it was first opened.

[0:56:22] Voice 15: We just thought, you know, what if someone else buys? What if it's a corporation from off island?

[0:56:27] Voice 15: What if it's a big business and they're just, you know, wanting to deal with rates?

[0:56:32] Voice 15: That seemed to us just really not the right way to go.

[0:56:36] Voice 15: And we were very worried that that's what would happen.

[0:56:38] Voice 15: and that a group or corporation with no connection to our island would end up buying the property

[0:56:44] Voice 15: and even more to the point, decisions would be made with no interest, with no reference to the best interest of the community.

[0:56:53] Voice 15: So as a result we came together as a family and discussed acquiring the vineyard

[0:56:56] Voice 15: and those discussions which took place over a compressed amount of time because it was kind of a quick process

[0:57:04] Voice 15: but they built a common vision for the property which for us is summarized in saying that

[0:57:08] Voice 15: that the vineyard must remain true to its roots and those roots are in the community so we want

[0:57:15] Voice 15: we want the vineyard to remain an integral part of the citruna community it's a special you know

[0:57:20] Voice 15: as i've said it's a special place for us it's a special place for you and the vineyard has to

[0:57:24] Voice 15: remain true to those roots having a large industrial company find a vineyard just seems

[0:57:31] Voice 15: but also in

[0:57:34] Voice 1: the very practical sense,

[0:57:35] Voice 15: the roots of the vineyard must remain true to the environment in which they are located.

[0:57:41] Voice 15: The vineyard is a beautiful place, it certainly is a beautiful place. People come here because they want to experience nature,

[0:57:47] Voice 15: and there's a serenity, there's an abstraction here because we're just on the remote end of the scale for the Gulf Islands.

[0:57:55] Voice 15: We are committed to preserving and protecting those fundamental aspects of the environment in which the vineyard is located.

[0:58:05] Voice 15: Our farming practices are organic. The bistro that we're setting up is not a lounge, it's not a bar, it's a place where you can go and quietly enjoy a glass of wine.

[0:58:16] Voice 15: And hopefully you'll be able to hear the goats at home.

[0:58:20] Voice 15: I think that's basically all I wanted to say about the background, and Doug said that he'd be available for questions as well, so if there's anything at all that you want to know, and let me quickly add as well, if there's questions that you think of afterwards that don't come up in the meeting, we're always open to hear what people think, and the other thing I was going to say is at our event on Sunday, one of the things we really want to talk to people about is what our plans are, and when you're down on site, it's easier to see.

[0:58:51] Voice 15: happy to explain at any time what we're doing and what we love about what we're doing

[0:58:56] Voice 6: all right anything else for him to add or just open on the other side

[0:59:00] Voice 6: so

[0:59:00] Voice 5: i would just add later on the agenda the local trust committee will be considering

[0:59:07] Voice 5: passing resolutions in support of the application and so three key information items that i think

[0:59:15] Voice 5: i should speak to is the location so the location of course is to be true is the existing building

[0:59:20] Voice 5: on the property and the patio would be adjacent to that.

[0:59:24] Voice 5: The proposed operating hours would be,

[0:59:28] Voice 5: regular proposed hours of

[0:59:29] Voice 5: service would be

[0:59:30] Voice 5: from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m., seven days per week,

[0:59:32] Voice 5: primarily during the spring, summer, and fall seasons,

[0:59:35] Voice 5: with additional dinner service three days,

[0:59:38] Voice 5: three to four days per week from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.,

[0:59:40] Voice 5: and occasional special events such as a wedding,

[0:59:45] Voice 5: which would be held from 10 a.m. to 11 p.m.,

[0:59:48] Voice 5: and the maximum capacity of both Easter and patio combined is 174 people and we do have a notice from 16th fire department

[1:00:06] Voice 11: those days and hours are a maximum in reality it'll be less than that both in

[1:00:13] Voice 11: terms of hours and days our ambition initially is to well actually to tune

[1:00:18] Voice 11: our supply to the public's demand but we're thinking that they'll be four or

[1:00:23] Voice 11: five days to the beginning and in the peak of the summer and it would be a

[1:00:26] Voice 11: seven day thing and probably other than the lunches they would maybe be available on

[1:00:35] Voice 11: friday saturday sunday for evening meals or special meals

[1:00:40] Voice 5: just finally i would add we've

[1:00:44] Voice 5: received about 85 letters of support or about 85 letters and with 84 of them being quite supportive

[1:00:52] Voice 5: of the application and one saying opposition we're

[1:00:57] Voice 11: very very pleased for that support i will maybe

[1:01:00] Voice 11: just reiterate something that ann said this uh community information meeting is not something

[1:01:06] Voice 11: that we regard as an obstacle but something we very very very much welcome uh and is right that

[1:01:13] Voice 11: when we contemplated buying the vineyard we were there's a lot of family reasons why that was

[1:01:20] Voice 11: important to us the vineyard's always been a central place for our family the brother

[1:01:27] Voice 11: grew it there yeah

[1:01:30] Voice 15: it was a it was a really special place for our beloved brother jeff

[1:01:35] Voice 15: who passed away was buried next to his father who also passed

[1:01:40] Voice 11: um the point that i was trying to make

[1:01:43] Voice 11: is that um it's very important to us that decisions about that property remain local

[1:01:53] Voice 10: that

[1:01:54] Voice 11: they're not made by, I won't say the names, you know, who they are,

[1:01:58] Voice 11: a big conglomerate set by vineyards around Canada and the U.S., etc.

[1:02:03] Voice 11: It's happening on Vancouver Island right now.

[1:02:07] Voice 11: Decisions are not made in the community's best interest.

[1:02:09] Voice 11: So for us to, for that to be an effective solution to retain local ownership,

[1:02:17] Voice 11: local opinion, local governance and decisions to help you,

[1:02:21] Voice 11: it's only effective if we actually understand

[1:02:24] Voice 11: what the values of the community

[1:02:28] Voice 11: very much welcome

[1:02:35] Voice 6: you

[1:02:36] Voice 11: mentioned there was a letter

[1:02:40] Voice 11: that was not necessarily

[1:02:41] Voice 11: an endorsement

[1:02:43] Voice 11: it wasn't

[1:02:44] Voice 5: an endorsement

[1:02:45] Voice 5: I just thought it wasn't the right word

[1:02:47] Voice 5: basically

[1:02:50] Voice 5: certifying that the occupancy

[1:02:52] Voice 5: of the residence

[1:02:53] Voice 5: the letter in opposition was

[1:02:56] Voice 3: concerned

[1:02:56] Voice 5: about

[1:02:58] Voice 3: about the impact on the aquifer as a lounge endorsement.

[1:03:03] Voice 3: Can

[1:03:04] Voice 11: I speak to that?

[1:03:05] Voice 11: Yes,

[1:03:05] Voice 3: go right ahead.

[1:03:05] Voice 3: We also expressed concerns

[1:03:07] Voice 11: about the road.

[1:03:08] Voice 11: The road, I'll

[1:03:09] Voice 10: speak to the road.

[1:03:12] Voice 11: The actual lounge endorsement

[1:03:17] Voice 11: will have no impact on water whatsoever.

[1:03:21] Voice 11: But having said that, our concern for the aquifer

[1:03:25] Voice 11: is as serious as anybody else's.

[1:03:27] Voice 11: this is a subject that frankly societies have ignored um at our apparel for far too long

[1:03:34] Voice 11: so speaking on as far as the vineyard is concerned and water in the vineyard overall

[1:03:41] Voice 11: the actual viticulture the farm the agriculture we use no well water at all zero none of our

[1:03:48] Voice 11: irrigation is uh uses well water as a source we do have the lake there which of course is

[1:03:56] Voice 11: fed by springs and primarily runoff in the winery building itself we do use

[1:04:04] Voice 11: very little water fortunately if you believe to know we don't put water in

[1:04:07] Voice 11: our wine we wash vessels it's a seasonal thing and I can assure you that we use

[1:04:14] Voice 11: far less water than the average household does at the bistro we do have

[1:04:19] Voice 11: a well and it's a really good well it produces well and the quality of the

[1:04:22] Voice 11: waters is very good which of course we've had tested the the impact of the

[1:04:29] Voice 11: lounge endorsement is whether or not we serve wine in three or four glasses with

[1:04:35] Voice 11: the small amount of wine in them or you can have a six or nine ounce glass of

[1:04:39] Voice 11: wine after lunch so as you can imagine there's no impact there but when we did

[1:04:45] Voice 11: we're refurbishing the bistro at this moment one of the first things we I did

[1:04:51] Voice 11: was in low flush toilets everywhere and we replaced the dishwashers with the

[1:04:58] Voice 11: lowest volume dishwashers on the market make sure they're very expensive but

[1:05:04] Voice 11: they're the lowest volume water dishwashers that are available we also

[1:05:10] Voice 11: have a plan to start using water catchment this has nothing to do with

[1:05:17] Voice 11: the bistro but in the winery there's an enormous amount of capacity with that huge roof 10 000

[1:05:24] Voice 11: square foot building and we do have an ambition to use the excess water the fire department use that

[1:05:31] Voice 11: now but the excess water that's constantly running off that big tank so water catchment will be

[1:05:38] Voice 11: another part of our solution whether before i moved to roads was did anyone have any other

[1:05:45] Voice 11: their concerns about water thank

[1:05:48] Voice 16: you

[1:05:50] Voice 11: as far as road wow what a frustration huge frustration I

[1:05:55] Voice 11: am on the Stroud Council and the subcommittee we have on roads and I'm also on CIRA road

[1:06:02] Voice 11: rehabilitation committee so I have a little bit of insight into this issue as things stand without

[1:06:09] Voice 11: boring you with the the history and you all know the events that have impacted that road

[1:06:14] Voice 11: Currently, the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure have proposals in front of them from subcontractors.

[1:06:23] Voice 11: They call it Armour the Road, or stabilize it against water erosion.

[1:06:29] Voice 11: Of course, there's a culvert that's going in by the compost, but everyone is aware how the road is being undercut by water erosion.

[1:06:36] Voice 11: erosion. The solution so far has been to grow those cones, which seem to be now a permanent

[1:06:42] Voice 11: part of that road, hopefully not for much longer. Work was supposed to have been started

[1:06:50] Voice 11: by now. The reason it hasn't is there's some uncertainty about the calculations about the

[1:06:56] Voice 11: amount of water that is flowing and that impacts the size of the road, the crush or the rock

[1:07:04] Voice 11: that could be used to fill the voids on the side of the road so that's still

[1:07:10] Voice 11: being considered at the moment by MOTI.

[1:07:13] Voice 18: So just to clarify, are you talking about Harris Road as well as the paved road that moves down?

[1:07:17] Voice 18: Harris

[1:07:18] Voice 11: Road. Now I'll speak to Harris Road extension separately. That's the paved road.

[1:07:23] Voice 11: The Strata Council has maintained that road very effectively and always in a

[1:07:31] Voice 11: very timely fashion it's in a great condition right now it did see erosion

[1:07:36] Voice 11: on the side starting to undercut the asphalt and that was repaired very very

[1:07:42] Voice 11: quickly right now that road is very stable and in very good condition it's

[1:07:47] Voice 11: not the Harris Road extension which belongs to the strata that's the risk

[1:07:53] Voice 11: right now is Harris Road itself which is but there are plans which we expect we

[1:08:01] Voice 11: We expect the remediation of that road to begin in the very next few weeks.

[1:08:09] Voice 11: Is that park land?

[1:08:11] Voice 2: Park.

[1:08:12] Voice 2: Is that national park?

[1:08:13] Voice 2: No.

[1:08:14] Voice 2: None of it.

[1:08:15] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:08:16] Voice 11: No.

[1:08:17] Voice 11: There's been a lot of change of staff with the area manager for the Ministry of Transportation

[1:08:22] Voice 11: and Infrastructure, and I think that slowed things down a little bit.

[1:08:25] Voice 11: Engineering assessments, getting agreement on engineering assessments, but there's no

[1:08:30] Voice 11: There's no question that money has been allocated both by CRD and the Ministry for the restoration, is the word they use, of Harris Road.

[1:08:42] Voice 11: Maybe Paul has some additional information.

[1:08:44] Voice 11: No, I think you've captured that I do know that the

[1:08:46] Voice 3: CRD is involved with the Ministry and

[1:08:49] Voice 3: I've got the same information that you have.

[1:08:51] Voice 3: There has been a lot of turnover and we can say that this is being pursued at many levels.

[1:08:59] Voice 3: Our MLA is certainly involved in trying to get stuff done, and the

[1:09:05] Voice 11: CRD is as well.

[1:09:08] Voice 11: Adam Olson has been very, very helpful. He even delivered a letter from me to the Minister.

[1:09:16] Voice 11: And he's gone out taking pictures of the road himself, and he's been very active on your behalf.

[1:09:24] Voice 11: Are there any other questions besides water and roads?

[1:09:29] Voice 11: Well, I'll just add then, if I were sitting where you are, I'd probably be concerned about

[1:09:34] Voice 11: noise.

[1:09:35] Voice 11: I'd be concerned about intoxication while driving and, of course, regardless of what

[1:09:44] Voice 11: our values are as an ownership group, these issues can present themselves.

[1:09:49] Voice 11: There are people that can abuse good sense when it comes to drinking and driving.

[1:09:55] Voice 11: all of our servers have are being trained under the serving right

[1:10:02] Voice 11: provincial program and the state chamber vineyards has set that threshold of

[1:10:11] Voice 11: assessing potential intoxication very very low we live here too we're

[1:10:16] Voice 11: concerned about that as well and we will always ensure our drivers available if

[1:10:22] Voice 11: necessary from our own staff if necessary to prevent people who we

[1:10:28] Voice 11: perceive as being intoxicated driving as far as the noise I don't know how to say

[1:10:33] Voice 11: this though potentially offending my brother has very different tastes and I

[1:10:51] Voice 11: okay this is a pastoral setting the reason that we bought this property is i consider it to be

[1:10:57] Voice 11: the most beautiful vineyard in canada most beautiful vineyard i've ever been to it's a

[1:11:03] Voice 11: very very pastoral setting this is the nature the the character that we want to preserve

[1:11:10] Voice 11: so our hours are such that i don't think there is going to be a problem with noise there will

[1:11:15] Voice 11: will be special events or our weddings and those will close at 11 o'clock but weddings can be

[1:11:23] Voice 11: sometimes a little vigorous robust i don't know but we is the vision that we have for the

[1:11:30] Voice 11: the bistro is one of quiescence any

[1:11:38] Trustee Patrick: other questions uh at this time

[1:11:42] Trustee Patrick: um i

[1:11:42] Voice 2: just want to

[1:11:44] Voice 2: say i never wrote about it i didn't know i was supposed to

[1:11:53] Voice 17: so the thing is if it gets really really loud and we like the music can we just come

[1:11:58] Voice 17: all

[1:11:58] Voice 1: right are you entertaining questions or just yeah

[1:12:05] Trustee Patrick: no these are questions if you have a question

[1:12:08] Voice 1: commentary commentary

[1:12:09] Trustee Patrick: my

[1:12:12] Voice 1: name is william quinn um i'm a 15 year resident of saturn

[1:12:18] Voice 1: Not a new V, but not quite qualified to be an old V right now.

[1:12:25] Voice 10: But

[1:12:25] Voice 1: I think of myself as one of the threads of the fabric that make up this island.

[1:12:31] Voice 1: And there's a lot of unique, very valuable threads in that fabric.

[1:12:36] Voice 1: I encourage you to support this 100%.

[1:12:40] Voice 1: This is the third owner I've seen since I've lived here.

[1:12:45] Voice 1: And when I ran people to the island, there's quite a few, well, there's a few wild places on the island, and this is one of them.

[1:12:56] And I agree with you, Doug, there's not a finer place than

[1:13:00] Voice 1: to sit on a patio at that vista.

[1:13:05] Voice 1: And so I just want to say to the Trust Committee, I ask that you support this 110 percent. Thank you.

[1:13:14] Voice 1: We appreciate that, Wayne.

[1:13:16] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:13:16] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:13:16] Voice 1: Any

[1:13:17] Trustee Patrick: other questions?

[1:13:20] Voice 8: Oh, go ahead, John.

[1:13:22] Voice 12: I'd like to speak very much in support of the library in the past and the community.

[1:13:40] It's one of the places you take people to go to the community.

[1:13:45] And I'd

[1:13:46] Voice 12: also like to say that everything suggests that this sort of thing should happen

[1:13:56] Voice 12: at that property.

[1:13:57] Voice 12: Just hopefully you can have this.

[1:14:25] Voice 14: I just wanted to say that on Monday I was part of Simra's sea change and Sage Hayward

[1:14:37] Voice 14: Billiard, a.k.a. Deferral Goat Watery, discussion on the passage of environmental-friendly mooring

[1:14:46] Voice 14: buoys in Thompson Park, establishing where the eelgrass beds were and making sure they

[1:14:54] Voice 14: were not affected. So it was just a really good example of what has been spoken of, which

[1:15:00] Voice 14: which is the desire to work with the community and make sure that the environment and the things that we value are positively rather than negatively affected.

[1:15:15] Voice 14: So it's just a really good example to back up what's been said.

[1:15:19] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:15:19] Voice 14: Do you have any? I'm sorry.

[1:15:21] Voice 14: Go ahead.

[1:15:23] Voice 4: I'm Paul Fitzgerald.

[1:15:25] Voice 4: I guess everybody knows me probably.

[1:15:27] Voice 4: We operate the pub

[1:15:29] Voice 4: and we are

[1:15:30] Voice 4: we have a cafe upstairs, a vibration

[1:15:33] Voice 4: cafe.

[1:15:35] Voice 4: I think that

[1:15:37] Voice 4: any

[1:15:39] Voice 4: bistro opening up again

[1:15:41] Voice 4: in the vineyard is going to be

[1:15:43] Voice 4: great for the

[1:15:45] Voice 4: community. It's going to draw

[1:15:47] Voice 4: more people to the island we need economy on this island and it's going to create a lot of employment

[1:15:57] Voice 4: and uh and we have people working they're gonna spend money here uh so i mean it's it's

[1:16:05] Voice 4: it's all around very positive it'll be um another place to spend time bring family friends and uh

[1:16:15] Voice 4: And we as operators of the pub look forward to encouraging people when they come to the island to visit the island as well.

[1:16:25] Voice 4: We operate the campground and we'll be obviously talking to promoting the bistro or the vineyard to anybody who comes to the island.

[1:16:38] Voice 4: And we seem to be, I'm down there a lot and many times I'm the first person that people come to when they see me.

[1:16:50] Voice 4: So it'll be just another thing that, another place that we can tell people to go see.

[1:16:56] Voice 4: And so we really look forward to the success.

[1:17:01] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:17:02] Voice 15: Thank you so much.

[1:17:03] Voice 15: This is Christine, Bob's wife and member of

[1:17:09] Voice 17: the president of Turner Point Holdings, who runs the park.

[1:17:14] Voice 17: Rather than seeing another operation

[1:17:17] Voice 14: or your operation only as a competitive back thing, we see it

[1:17:23] Voice 15: as a complementary.

[1:17:24] Voice 15: It's going to be really nice to have a colleague in the hospitality industry,

[1:17:29] Voice 15: and it's really

[1:17:37] Voice 18: great for the cultural life and the social life of the community.

[1:17:42] Voice 11: Well, we really appreciate that and also the perspective. I absolutely share that perspective

[1:17:48] Voice 11: about businesses fostering

[1:17:50] Voice 6: greater

[1:17:51] Voice 11: business all in support of each other. Absolutely.

[1:17:56] Voice 6: So

[1:17:56] Voice 11: maybe then I know we've used up our time so I'll just quickly say the event on Sunday.

[1:18:04] Voice 11: It's not actually an opening, it's just an appreciation to Saturna, the power that with the final nail in the coffin that the kitchen is not going to be ready,

[1:18:12] Voice 11: other aspects are not going to be ready, but we still invite Saturna people to come down, ask their questions, taste our wines,

[1:18:20] Voice 11: try the rosé, trust me, taste our wines and just see what we're about.

[1:18:26] Voice 11: Just a quick tiny anecdote there. I was talking to my brother yesterday, and he was saying he wanted to be here, but he's leaving a conference right now.

[1:18:34] Voice 11: And he said, you know, that one of us should make a speech on Sunday.

[1:18:39] Voice 11: I said, yeah, okay, that's a good idea. Just one of us.

[1:18:42] Voice 11: He said, who should that be? And I said, who should that be?

[1:18:45] Voice 11: And he said, well, it could be me, more likely Wendy or Ann.

[1:18:50] Voice 11: And they stopped.

[1:18:53] Voice 11: And now you understand why I apologize for getting in the way.

[1:18:58] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:18:59] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[1:19:01] Trustee Patrick: And we're going to be discussing this in a few moments, so be patient.

[1:19:05] Trustee Patrick: We have a few business items to get to.

[1:19:07] Trustee Patrick: And, again, thank you, everyone, for being here today.

[1:19:09] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:19:14] Trustee Patrick: So we have minutes here from our previous, we've already adopted from our last meeting,

[1:19:19] Trustee Patrick: which was in February.

[1:19:20] Trustee Patrick: It seems like it was six years ago.

[1:19:22] Trustee Patrick: way time flies now the resolution without meeting which is basically we've

[1:19:28] Trustee Patrick: had a few things

[1:19:29] Trustee Patrick: that we've had on record and then we have a follow-up

[1:19:32] Trustee Patrick: action list that's here is there any questions for the follow-up action list

[1:19:38] Trustee Patrick: or anything you need to bring out there

[1:19:41] Voice 5: are still the two letters I'm standing

[1:19:46] Voice 5: yes I

[1:19:47] Trustee Middleton: think there's there's some a little bit of movement now through the

[1:19:50] Trustee Middleton: the various inter-setting governmental committees. There is now a divergence from Washington

[1:19:55] Trustee Middleton: State well watching policy and Transfer Canada slash DFO policy, so probably by the next

[1:20:04] Trustee Middleton: meeting I think we could have suggested wording and not talk to you about that. And it does

[1:20:10] Trustee Middleton: make sense to finish that and maybe get them a standing, well there are standing resolutions

[1:20:17] Trustee Middleton: but just get the letters out so that the scanning resolutions can be quoted in the letters for reference and planning next year

[1:20:26] Trustee Middleton: for the interim, what's still called the interim sanctuary zone, and we're watching guidelines.

[1:20:36] Trustee Patrick: Okay. So if there's no other questions, this was the EC Electoral Boundaries Commission notification.

[1:20:44] Trustee Patrick: application that was just here for information i think they've already gone beyond this

[1:20:47] Trustee Patrick: phase that we have here um and then that does bring us to this application 12.1 on the agenda

[1:20:57] Trustee Patrick: branch and we have a staff report on page 15. what can you grab anything you need to add or

[1:21:05] Trustee Patrick: we could just go at it the

[1:21:08] Voice 5: resolutions are worded there that you need to work through there's a

[1:21:12] Voice 5: number of them uh i don't think i really have anything more to add than what's been discussed

[1:21:17] Voice 5: already and i could see a portion of the meetings unless you have any specific questions for me

[1:21:23] Voice 5: uh i think you can carry on working through those resolutions and i'd love to catch them

[1:21:29] Voice 5: so in the brackets are kind of suggested potential responses that you can do you

[1:21:38] Trustee Patrick: want to go for it

[1:21:38] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[1:21:39] Voice 3: i'm just going to make one comment and you know echo the comments that i've heard

[1:21:44] Voice 3: here as well as the 84 letters of support um but i do want to just say one thing is that

[1:21:51] Voice 3: while this is a fabulous benefit to saturn island it's also a benefit to the entire southern gulf

[1:21:58] Voice 3: islands and the region i'm hearing um uh people on maine very excited about this you know they're

[1:22:05] Voice 3: are really key and and same with pandering and so i just don't think with galiano people are

[1:22:13] Voice 3: are as connected to um saturn island but i certainly know some people on galiano that

[1:22:19] Voice 3: like their wines so i know they're going to be pleased and when they come here so

[1:22:23] Voice 3: from a regional perspective it's a fabulous thing so i'm going to move at this turn local trust

[1:22:28] Voice 3: committee direct staff to send a response to the liquor and cannabis regulation branch regarding

[1:22:33] Voice 3: guarding the Farrell Goat Winery application for a new

[1:22:35] Voice 3: lounge and outdoor patio.

[1:22:37] Voice 3: At 32 Drew Rooney Road, that states the location of a lounge and outdoor patio is considered to be suitable.

[1:22:47] Voice 3: Do we want to do this as

[1:22:49] Trustee Patrick: a tag team?

[1:22:50] Trustee Patrick: Just go slow down.

[1:22:51] Trustee Patrick: Robin, just say slow down.

[1:22:55] Trustee Patrick: So keep going and then just give her.

[1:23:00] Trustee Middleton: sure yeah we'll use exactly the wording and then where there's parentheses we will choose

[1:23:06] Trustee Middleton: we'll insert german to keep the branch on his toes but um um so you just have to keep going

[1:23:20] Trustee Middleton: no

[1:23:21] Trustee Patrick: you don't have to you can just yeah yeah

[1:23:23] Trustee Middleton: the proposed person capacity of 175 for the lounge

[1:23:27] Trustee Middleton: and outdoor patio is considered to be suitable the potential impacts

[1:23:32] Voice 3: due to noise if the application

[1:23:33] Voice 3: is approved would be very minimal and

[1:23:39] Trustee Middleton: the potential general impacts on the community

[1:23:41] Trustee Middleton: if the application is approved be uh um would be beneficial because of obviously where we get

[1:23:48] Trustee Middleton: different wording now

[1:23:49] Trustee Patrick: yeah this is rare so that rather have to pause

[1:23:51] Trustee Patrick: sorry

[1:23:57] Voice 5: that's right um

[1:24:03] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so you ready for D?

[1:24:07] Trustee Patrick: He said beneficial because, and he's about to give you the because.

[1:24:11] Trustee Middleton: I would just say of the cultural and economic benefits to the island as a whole.

[1:24:16] Voice 3: Perfect.

[1:24:19] Trustee Middleton: Economic benefits to the island as a whole.

[1:24:24] Voice 3: The local trust committee has solicited public input to gather residents' views, and 86 residents provided written comments, of which 85 were in favor.

[1:24:47] Trustee Patrick: I know

[1:25:03] Trustee Middleton: this is under the application, but this mail dropped to all residences on Saturna Island, sent to the Saturna Beach Stride Corporation for distribution.

[1:25:09] Trustee Middleton: to Strada members, posted on local bulletin boards,

[1:25:12] Trustee Middleton: posted on the Strada Island local trust community webpage

[1:25:14] Trustee Middleton: and sent electronically to Strada Island email subscribers.

[1:25:19] Trustee Middleton: Residents were invited to provide written submissions

[1:25:22] Trustee Middleton: or attend a community information meeting.

[1:25:25] Trustee Middleton: That's just as written, that's fine.

[1:25:30] Voice 3: A community information meeting was held on May 19th, 2022

[1:25:35] Voice 3: to gather residents' views about the application

[1:25:39] Voice 3: of which 17 attended and we're all in favor so

[1:25:48] Trustee Middleton: that we can incorporate that

[1:25:49] Trustee Middleton: into point H I think so G is standalone I think just as written I could say

[1:25:56] Trustee Patrick: we're supportive well

[1:25:57] Trustee Middleton: that's that's sure that's cause H though right

[1:26:01] Trustee Patrick: yeah it was

[1:26:02] Trustee Middleton: so cause H is that the residents were generally I would actually say or fully

[1:26:08] Trustee Middleton: supportive about the application. The

[1:26:19] Voice 3: local trust committee agrees with the

[1:26:21] Voice 3: residents view that the application should be supported.

[1:26:27] Trustee Middleton: And then the last

[1:26:29] Trustee Middleton: one here is that the local trust committee recommends the application be

[1:26:33] Trustee Middleton: approved period. All

[1:26:37] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second to that motion I guess so that's

[1:26:40] Trustee Patrick: It was made by

[1:26:41] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Brent, seconded by Trustee Middleton.

[1:26:44] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[1:26:46] Trustee Middleton: Well, I think it's a wonderful asset to the island, and I commend the applicants.

[1:26:51] Trustee Middleton: Some may be familiar with the adage, how do you make a million dollars in owning a vineyard?

[1:26:55] Trustee Middleton: You start with five million, and I think it's a tremendous risk, and we're grateful as an island.

[1:27:05] Trustee Middleton: I just want to say I think it's a wonderful thing you're doing,

[1:27:08] Trustee Middleton: and I think we wish you the very best of your successes I think all of our

[1:27:13] Trustee Middleton: success so we were rooting for you so thank you for doing it all

[1:27:17] Trustee Patrick: right there's

[1:27:19] Trustee Patrick: any not any more discussion I'll call the vote all those in favor and that's

[1:27:24] Trustee Patrick: carried I'm gonna

[1:27:25] Voice 3: do this turn out a local trust committee direct staff to

[1:27:27] Voice 3: include a record of the community information meeting with the response

[1:27:31] Voice 3: liquor and cannabis bans regulation branch regarding the federal goat

[1:27:35] Voice 3: binary application for a new lounge and outdoor patio

[1:27:38] Trustee Middleton: thanks i second

[1:27:39] Trustee Patrick: that trustee middleton any

[1:27:41] Trustee Patrick: discussion follow vote all those in favor not to carry all right so that means the next item

[1:27:49] Trustee Patrick: thank you and i'm looking forward to trying that rose okay um next item is 13.1 it's a new p bylaw

[1:28:04] Trustee Patrick: up to request for decision, what would you like to do on that one?

[1:28:09] Trustee Middleton: I wonder, Brad, if our response is over, it seems innocuous enough that we've sort of

[1:28:14] Trustee Middleton: deferred it just because we don't have a lot of applications, but would it be possible

[1:28:18] Trustee Middleton: instead of tasking you with creating a draft bylaw based on a model bylaw, you could just

[1:28:24] Trustee Middleton: provide us with a copy of one of the other islands' fee bylaws that they use to interpret

[1:28:32] Trustee Middleton: the draft bylaw I don't mean I don't pender or any of the other stuff so what

[1:28:41] Trustee Middleton: what what this motion is asking us to do is to direct you to prepare a bylaw

[1:28:46] Trustee Middleton: based on the model fee bylaw the bylaws

[1:28:48] Voice 5: essentially prepared okay so there's

[1:28:50] Voice 5: really over galley and what's been passed and so the fees are now I could

[1:28:55] Voice 5: I could point you to the new galleon of these by-laws, but essentially you have a model by-law that by staff creating one for Saturnia would be filling in the blanks of island nations, but that the fees are consistent, or meant to be consistent across all the islands.

[1:29:20] Voice 5: Well,

[1:29:21] Voice 3: I'm going to have to say that I'm not in favor of passing this bylaw as it sits right now.

[1:29:27] Voice 3: And again, we talked about community consultation, but I have some real concerns here.

[1:29:32] Voice 3: There's been a substantial increase in fees.

[1:29:35] Voice 3: And while I understand that, one of the motivators was we're going to increase fees so that our taxation, generally speaking, would not be reflecting this.

[1:29:49] Voice 3: we're going to put more of the burden on the developers and what I saw was and

[1:29:57] Voice 3: what I've seen is that there's really been

[1:30:00] Voice 3: reduction in the amount of general taxes. This is just an increase in another way to

[1:30:06] Voice 3: increase taxation revenues for the island. And so I'm really kind of a little bit reluctant

[1:30:14] Voice 3: to move forward with this. I, you know, I look at the type of applications on CETRNA

[1:30:20] Voice 3: temporary use permits and I see them increasing absolutely substantially and I go, these current

[1:30:27] Voice 3: developers I'm sorry and I don't see where the burden is being shifted from

[1:30:34] Voice 3: from taxpayers general taxpayers to developers I don't see that at all I

[1:30:39] Voice 3: just see this as another another increase and the other thing that really

[1:30:44] Voice 3: bothers me quite a bit here is it's been identified in the governance review that

[1:30:49] Voice 3: the trust appears not to be particularly effective at cost control and has

[1:30:56] Voice 3: cumbersome processes so it seems to me that until we get our house in order I

[1:31:02] Voice 3: do not want to burden necessarily Islanders but I will be wanting to hear

[1:31:08] Voice 3: from Islanders before we we adopt something like this so I'm gonna move

[1:31:15] Voice 3: that we defer decision on this until we have thoroughly consulted with our

[1:31:24] Voice 3: community.

[1:31:29] Trustee Middleton: Do you want to say how we do that? Yes. In the motion.

[1:31:35] Trustee Patrick: North Pender scheduled a community information meeting. That's what they chose to do.

[1:31:40] Voice 3: That sounds like a really good idea. So that's a friendly amendment in the form of a community information meeting as an addendum to what I just said. Sure. I'll second that. Robin, did you get that?

[1:31:52] Voice 18: I'm sorry, I didn't.

[1:31:53] Voice 18: Is that what they're on?

[1:31:54] Voice 18: So that is the term.

[1:32:01] Voice 3: Defer a decision on the new fee bylaw until we have had public consultation

[1:32:16] Voice 3: in the form of a community information meeting.

[1:32:20] Voice 3: All

[1:32:32] Voice 6: right, that was seconded by Trustee Middleton.

[1:32:34] Voice 6: Is there any

[1:32:35] Voice 15: discussion?

[1:32:39] Voice 3: I just want to point out that we have two opportunities for that. We have a meeting on July 21st

[1:32:45] Voice 3: That is coming up and there's also a meeting scheduled for

[1:32:49] Voice 3: October 20th. I know that that's one that you

[1:32:52] Voice 3: probably favor to seeing is how

[1:32:55] Voice 3: That's after the election

[1:32:58] Is it really? Just a little bit of humor. Sorry. So no, no,

[1:33:01] Trustee Middleton: it's great. Humor is accepted as long as it's kept to a minimum

[1:33:06] Trustee Middleton: but

[1:33:07] Trustee Middleton: But, so July is then, I guess, just for discussion here, sorry to, if

[1:33:13] Trustee Middleton: I'm doing anything, so that's our last regular business meeting then?

[1:33:17] Trustee Middleton: It appears to be, and

[1:33:18] Voice 3: it's no, I think everyone knows I'm not

[1:33:22] Voice 3: running again, so there will be a new trustee, and I'm not even sure whether, if new trustees will be sworn in at that time.

[1:33:30] Voice 3: I don't know.

[1:33:31] Voice 3: So maybe it will be the existing trustees or something.

[1:33:35] Voice 3: There will be.

[1:33:35] Voice 3: We're kicking around.

[1:33:36] Voice 3: We're still kicking around.

[1:33:37] Voice 3: Perhaps.

[1:33:38] Voice 3: Perhaps.

[1:33:39] Voice 3: So, yeah,

[1:33:40] Trustee Middleton: I mean, I just know that discussion.

[1:33:42] Trustee Middleton: I know that one of the consultants in the management, the governance review in regards to local planning services delivery,

[1:33:52] Trustee Middleton: did question the fee allocation and how the fee basically covered the activity and or didn't cover the activity,

[1:34:07] Trustee Middleton: which of course he said was fairly common, or is it 100% common in local government,

[1:34:11] Trustee Middleton: it's not designed to fully recover, but he felt that there needs to be further study

[1:34:17] Trustee Middleton: in the proportion of the fee that was recovered for the type of activity.

[1:34:24] Trustee Middleton: Now you could argue that the model fee by-law just does exactly that, so discussion

[1:34:31] Trustee Middleton: on that point I think would be welcome, and we could arrive at a conclusion

[1:34:35] Trustee Middleton: then following that meeting yeah

[1:34:38] Trustee Patrick: the local government act only allows you to

[1:34:41] Trustee Patrick: recover your average cost is the words that they use and I think and I'm on the

[1:34:51] Trustee Patrick: committee that worked on this and the average costs for the kind of permits

[1:34:57] Trustee Patrick: that we have all the time is high certainty whereas like a rezoning is a

[1:35:03] Trustee Patrick: very difficult average cost because each one is unique and there's a higher you know variation in

[1:35:10] Trustee Patrick: the average cost or in the input so there

[1:35:15] Voice 3: are also some changes in respect of provincial

[1:35:16] Voice 3: regulations regarding our requirement to post notices in in regional newspapers so that's

[1:35:25] Voice 3: going to be substantial so if you've got even a very very small thing going on under the current

[1:35:31] Voice 3: and former, well, former regulations, we would have had to post

[1:35:36] Voice 3: notices in the driftwood, and

[1:35:38] Voice 3: you know, how many people leave the driftwood on Saterna? And the driftwood

[1:35:44] Voice 3: is... Just for some. Yeah, okay. So two people.

[1:35:48] Voice 3: No, there's not a lot of driftwood subscriptions online.

[1:35:51] Voice 16: So we saw about 15 weekends.

[1:35:53] Voice 3: And it's pretty expensive to post there

[1:35:55] Voice 3: because they know that up until this legislation

[1:35:59] Voice 3: of regulation, we've had to.

[1:36:01] Voice 3: So it's been a real cash cow to the newspapers.

[1:36:05] Voice 3: And that was a significant chunk of some of our application expenses.

[1:36:10] Voice 3: That's changing.

[1:36:12] Voice 3: So maybe we need to have a, particularly for a little island like ours,

[1:36:17] Voice 3: where there's a lot better way to reach people,

[1:36:21] Voice 3: which is what we've just proven in respect of the Faro Goat Winery

[1:36:25] Voice 3: lounge endorsement application.

[1:36:28] Voice 3: Very cost effective. It was 40 bucks to do a mail drop and almost nothing for some of the email lists or whatever you call it that we sent out.

[1:36:40] Voice 3: Well

[1:36:41] Trustee Patrick: then, any further discussion? With that, we'll call the vote. All those in favour? And that's carried.

[1:36:50] Voice 5: Are you seeking then a CIM at the July 21st meeting? Is that what I'm hearing?

[1:36:54] Trustee Patrick: don't forget your sign back here okay

[1:36:58] Voice 3: really it's whatever staff has capacity

[1:37:04] Voice 3: for rather if it's the October 20th that's just fine by me too so it's where

[1:37:11] Voice 3: is capacity I believe some of the concerns around water might be of a

[1:37:15] Voice 3: higher priority if we have to balance balance staff time I

[1:37:20] Voice 5: think really that

[1:37:22] Voice 5: direction it's come from the local trust committee as to your priority for seeing that like to to

[1:37:29] Voice 5: organize

[1:37:30] Voice 10: a cim on that

[1:37:31] Voice 5: topic is pretty easy it's not

[1:37:34] Voice 1: a lot of work what

[1:37:35] Voice 1: do you think

[1:37:35] Voice 5: a cim in october in october and then the trust committee

[1:37:47] Voice 5: how meaningful is that going to be for the new trustees or you could we

[1:37:53] Trustee Middleton: could just make

[1:37:54] Trustee Middleton: a recommendation. If it is October, just a recommendation. I guess there will be more

[1:37:58] Trustee Middleton: information emerging between now and then that I think will be useful. And then of course,

[1:38:02] Trustee Middleton: on Saturna, the context is it's not a lot of volume. So we're not really hindering the

[1:38:09] Trustee Middleton: financial health of the organization by not raising our fees here just yet.

[1:38:15] Trustee Middleton: So I would say October. Yeah, I would agree with that.

[1:38:18] Trustee Middleton: All

[1:38:20] Trustee Patrick: right. The next item is the OCP and land use by-law minor review. There's a stock report on page 45.

[1:38:32] Voice 12: Was there a date set for that meeting?

[1:38:34] Voice 12: I'm sorry?

[1:38:35] Voice 12: I'm just sorry to bother you. Was there a date set for that meeting?

[1:38:39] October.

[1:38:40] Voice 3: October 20th.

[1:38:42] Voice 12: Yeah,

[1:38:42] Trustee Patrick: October 20th.

[1:38:44] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:38:44] Trustee Patrick: No worries.

[1:38:45] Trustee Patrick: No, no worries. Okay, so we have a staff report. Over to you, Brad.

[1:39:12] Voice 5: Staff report bringing back those by-law amendments for the minor amendment project for the OCP and the land use by-law.

[1:39:23] Voice 5: at the last meeting on two bylaws first reading the staff to undertake First Nation and NC

[1:39:35] Voice 5: referrals which we have done and we are

[1:39:37] Voice 5: now bringing the bylaws back for further consideration

[1:39:41] Voice 5: of the expense by the local trust committee and we do have one other minor amendment proposed

[1:39:46] Voice 5: as to correctly number an area that's described on page 46 of the staff report and so that's

[1:39:55] That's

[1:39:55] Voice 5: why you have the by-laws worded as they are for that particular one, for the

[1:40:04] Voice 5: recovery process.

[1:40:05] Voice 5: But other than that, it's there for local trust community to consider.

[1:40:11] Voice 6: Over to you, Justice.

[1:40:13] Trustee Middleton: Well, thanking our planner for an excellent work here.

[1:40:16] Trustee Middleton: I think I'll just go ahead and move that the Sturne Island Local Trust Committee proposed

[1:40:21] Trustee Middleton: by-laws, number of proposed by-laws, number 133, cited as Sturne Island Official Community

[1:40:26] Trustee Middleton: Committee Plan, By-law No. 70-2000, Amendment No. 1-2021, be read a second time.

[1:40:33] Trustee Middleton: Second.

[1:40:34] Trustee Middleton: Any discussion?

[1:40:38] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then.

[1:40:39] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:40:40] Voice 3: Carried.

[1:40:41] Voice 3: I move that the Saturna Highland Land Use By-law Proposed No. 134, cited as Saturna

[1:40:46] Voice 3: Highland Land Use By-law No. 119, 2018, Amendment No. 1-2021, be amended by replacing the reference

[1:40:53] Voice 3: reference to 2.16 with 2.15 in section 15.1 subsection 15.1.38 second that any discussion

[1:41:04] Trustee Patrick: all those

[1:41:06] Trustee Patrick: in favor not too scared thank

[1:41:09] Trustee Middleton: you and I further move that the Saturn Island local trust

[1:41:12] Trustee Middleton: committee bylaw proposed number 134 cited as Saturn Island land use bylaw number 119 2018

[1:41:18] Trustee Middleton: 18 amendment number one 2021 be read a second time as amended

[1:41:30] Trustee Patrick: any discussion

[1:41:31] Trustee Patrick: call the vote all those in favor carried

[1:41:34] Voice 3: i know that this attorney on

[1:41:36] Voice 3: local trust committee direct staff to schedule a public hearing for proposed bylaws number 133

[1:41:40] Voice 3: and number 134 to be held on july 21st 2022. second that discussion

[1:41:46] Trustee Patrick: all the vote all those

[1:41:48] Trustee Patrick: in favor carry and

[1:41:51] Trustee Middleton: uh i'll finally move that these turn off in the

[1:41:54] Trustee Middleton: local trust committee direct staff

[1:41:55] Trustee Middleton: to schedule a community information meeting in conjunction with the public hearing for proposed

[1:42:00] Trustee Middleton: bylaws number one three three and number one three four second discussion

[1:42:05] Trustee Patrick: all about all those in

[1:42:07] Trustee Patrick: favor carry so that's great those are on to the public hearing and any other business related to

[1:42:15] Trustee Patrick: that you know

[1:42:17] Trustee Patrick: carry on um so we have uh other reports we have our top priorities report of may

[1:42:25] Trustee Patrick: 22nd any changes or perhaps i

[1:42:30] Trustee Middleton: guess that's under way isn't it so that's fine yeah yeah and then

[1:42:34] Trustee Patrick: your projects list i

[1:42:37] Voice 3: like it i like it it's keeping it very focused

[1:42:44] Trustee Patrick: You have your trustee expense report for March and there

[1:42:54] Trustee Middleton: was one just a

[1:42:56] Trustee Middleton: question about that if I am reading this but of course be well below our budget

[1:43:08] Trustee Middleton: item with not necessarily anticipating any increased expenditure for the

[1:43:16] Trustee Middleton: remainder of the year there was David Osborne couldn't be here today and he

[1:43:19] Trustee Middleton: He had

[1:43:19] Trustee Middleton: made, he was trying to navigate the process for a heritage grant from the trust

[1:43:31] Trustee Middleton: and that of course was adjudicated by the executive and he was not successful in receiving

[1:43:39] Trustee Middleton: the grant.

[1:43:40] Trustee Middleton: But I was wondering because this is not a small amount of money, I think he was seeking

[1:43:46] Trustee Middleton: 5,000 members account fund 5,000 but I think if we could we have if there's a

[1:43:51] Trustee Middleton: method to reallocate the budget amount from the local trust committee of say

[1:43:55] Trustee Middleton: 2,500 could that go to support his grant application so that's sort of a

[1:44:01] Trustee Middleton: technical question of the purpose I don't know it's possible to answer it

[1:44:05] Trustee Middleton: right now but if we could see to get an answer so I'm going

[1:44:09] Voice 3: to move that staff

[1:44:09] Voice 3: explore the possibility for EL reallocation of our expenses of our LTC

[1:44:21] Voice 3: expenses in the tune of $2,500 from LTC expenses to support for Heritage Grant

[1:44:32] Voice 3: grant in favor of Cliffside Publishing.

[1:44:34] Voice 3: Can

[1:44:35] Trustee Patrick: we give Robin a moment here?

[1:44:40] Voice 8: Move that staff.

[1:44:50] Voice 6: Direct

[1:44:51] Voice 3: staff to explore

[1:44:52] Voice 3: the possibility of allocating

[1:45:00] Voice 3: Saturna Island Local Trust expense funds

[1:45:04] Voice 3: to heritage grants

[1:45:06] Voice 3: in favor of Cliffside Publishing.

[1:45:10] Voice 3: So

[1:45:22] Voice 8: I've got move that staff

[1:45:36] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:45:40] Trustee Middleton: Second, yes. No, it just seems like that's something we can do to support the grant. I thought it was a good application. Of course, we didn't have the benefit of seeing what the other applications were. So this is some way we can support the local initiative.

[1:45:57] Trustee Middleton: in a fairly painless way, I think, so.

[1:46:00] Trustee Patrick: I can tell you, sitting on the executive,

[1:46:02] Trustee Patrick: we had a lot of interest in that grant,

[1:46:04] Trustee Patrick: far exceeding the amount that we could give,

[1:46:08] Trustee Patrick: and so it was not an easy decision to make on that.

[1:46:14] Voice 3: Well, I will note, too, that we never, ever, ever

[1:46:18] Voice 3: come close to spending our expenses.

[1:46:21] Voice 3: We are very fiscally responsible here on Citerna Island,

[1:46:27] Voice 3: And we still will end up with a surplus, even if this is granted by the powers that be of the trust.

[1:46:34] Trustee Patrick: I know.

[1:46:34] Trustee Patrick: Priscilla's recommending we do a lot more conversations here.

[1:46:38] Trustee Patrick: Yes, that's right.

[1:46:39] Trustee Patrick: We can

[1:46:40] Voice 10: do those constantly.

[1:46:40] Trustee Patrick: With

[1:46:40] Voice 10: rosé wine for furlough.

[1:46:43] Voice 10: It's going to get expensive.

[1:46:44] Trustee Patrick: It's a bistro.

[1:46:45] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:46:48] Trustee Patrick: Any further discussion?

[1:46:50] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[1:46:51] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:46:52] Trustee Patrick: Carried.

[1:46:53] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:46:56] Trustee Patrick: That was your expense report.

[1:46:58] Trustee Patrick: There's just your adopted standing resolutions.

[1:47:03] Trustee Patrick: I

[1:47:03] Trustee Middleton: guess we have a, I don't know if this is the right point,

[1:47:07] Trustee Middleton: but I did think there was some interest in our making a motion

[1:47:13] Trustee Middleton: directed to,

[1:47:16] Trustee Middleton: I guess we were directed to executive, but maybe not,

[1:47:20] Trustee Middleton: not, maybe not, just in regard to the policy statement review and our desire in regard

[1:47:29] Trustee Middleton: to how that proceeds from this point onwards.

[1:47:32] Trustee Middleton: So

[1:47:32] Trustee Patrick: I've got a motion right now.

[1:47:34] Trustee Middleton: Do you

[1:47:34] Trustee Patrick: want to do that under new business?

[1:47:36] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[1:47:36] Trustee Patrick: That

[1:47:37] Voice 3: would be good under new business.

[1:47:38] Trustee Patrick: So if you don't have any other questions on those reports, then we are on new business.

[1:47:42] Trustee Patrick: So let's do the draft wording for this first and then...

[1:47:46] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:47:46] Voice 3: So I'm going to forward it to Robin.

[1:47:48] Voice 3: Hopefully it sends.

[1:47:50] Voice 3: and let's

[1:47:51] Trustee Patrick: do the the annual report first okay yeah

[1:47:54] Trustee Patrick: so there's annual report wording here is

[1:47:57] Trustee Patrick: there anything we

[1:47:57] Voice 3: have to do a modification to that because i'm not sure that we have adopted

[1:48:01] Voice 3: a new fees by law so we have to strike that that's what i would suggest to

[1:48:06] Trustee Middleton: is just do a period after

[1:48:07] Trustee Middleton: lub amendments in the second paragraph and leave it at that just

[1:48:11] Trustee Patrick: give her a minute so that's on

[1:48:13] Trustee Patrick: page 67 of the agenda package. It has the recommended wording. I'll

[1:48:30] Voice 6: just put a period at the end of the land use LEV review.

[1:48:41] Voice 8: So that's under new

[1:48:46] Trustee Patrick: business? No, this is the one, 15.1. So the wording that's been suggested.

[1:48:51] Trustee Patrick: Um,

[1:48:52] Voice 8: I've got that the local, state and local address committee approves the format and outline

[1:48:57] Trustee Patrick: of the paragraph.

[1:48:57] Trustee Patrick: It's just the second paragraph here. They didn't adopt new fee bylaws. So the and adopting new fee bylaws needs to be struck. That's all.

[1:49:05] Trustee Patrick: Oh, and adopting new fee bylaws needs to be struck.

[1:49:08] Trustee Patrick: Correct.

[1:49:08] Voice 10: Yes, exactly.

[1:49:09] Trustee Patrick: Were there any other changes?

[1:49:11] Trustee Patrick: Uh, nope.

[1:49:12] Trustee Patrick: then there's a motion the second page of our agenda package there that needs to

[1:49:20] Trustee Patrick: be read 15.1 yes thank

[1:49:24] Trustee Middleton: you that's the new the

[1:49:27] Trustee Middleton: Saturna Island local trust committee approves the format and outline of

[1:49:31] Trustee Middleton: contents for the 2021-22 annual report as amended second any

[1:49:38] Trustee Patrick: discussion all those

[1:49:43] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:49:44] Trustee Patrick: That's carried.

[1:49:46] Trustee Patrick: Now you said you had a new item.

[1:49:47] Voice 3: Yes, and I forwarded this motion to Robin and Brad.

[1:49:52] Voice 3: Hopefully it's sent.

[1:49:54] Voice 3: And the motion reads that the

[1:49:55] Voice 3: Saturna Island Local Trust Committee

[1:49:57] Voice 3: move that the rewrite of the trust policy statement

[1:50:00] Voice 3: be put on hold and not proceed to first reading this term.

[1:50:04] Voice 3: And that all the public consultation materials

[1:50:06] Voice 3: in their entirety be provided to trust counsel

[1:50:10] Voice 3: early in the next term for their deliberation I

[1:50:20] Trustee Patrick: just want

[1:50:26] Voice 3: to speak to a

[1:50:27] Voice 3: briefly briefly it's not brief at all today I apologize but there is a huge

[1:50:33] Voice 3: amount of correspondence that has has been generated by the policy statement

[1:50:39] Voice 3: and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of letters and emails and I think it's

[1:50:47] Voice 3: really really important that these these letters first of all that not be rushed

[1:50:53] Voice 3: through right now and we

[1:50:55] Voice 3: do not we have a public engagement that's cost I think

[1:51:01] Voice 3: north of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars just for this last piece we're

[1:51:05] We're

[1:51:05] Voice 3: not going to receive a report on that until July Trust Council, and there's certainly,

[1:51:12] Voice 3: in my view, not time in this term to support a redrafting exercise and move to first reading.

[1:51:23] Voice 3: That would be inappropriate and it would be, I think, rather insulting to the huge number

[1:51:29] Voice 3: people that have written in for their their opinions as to any rewrite be

[1:51:39] Voice 3: heard properly so we have a draft from I guess July 8th was the last time it saw

[1:51:46] Voice 3: the light of day last year it's almost a year later I just don't think there's

[1:51:50] Voice 3: the time available to do justice to the type of consultation we've already seen

[1:51:55] Voice 3: happen on the initial draft I also believe firmly that there has not been

[1:52:00] Voice 3: an appropriate First Nations consultation at all in respect of any of the changes that

[1:52:07] Voice 3: we've talked about.

[1:52:08] Voice 3: So there you go.

[1:52:11] Trustee Patrick: Any further discussion?

[1:52:13] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, I think in Priscilla's wording before was timely.

[1:52:19] Trustee Middleton: If nothing else, this process has proven that the policy statement is important to people

[1:52:27] Trustee Middleton: and an important document and not simply a procedural checkbox that we have to do to keep updated.

[1:52:33] Trustee Middleton: And so I think to have the most impact and be the most powerful it could be,

[1:52:38] Trustee Middleton: it needs the endorsement of a new trust council and perhaps the shaping of a new trust council

[1:52:46] Trustee Middleton: that they can, I mean, we took guidance from your Salt Spring motion,

[1:52:53] Trustee Middleton: a motion which I thought was good that says that you would not be endorsing the policy statement until

[1:53:00] Trustee Middleton: there was

[1:53:01] Trustee Middleton: I forget exactly your wording, but a robust public engagement

[1:53:06] Trustee Middleton: practice that informed the subsequent draft and we just don't know yet if that's the case or not because we haven't seen

[1:53:13] Trustee Middleton: the results of the robust public engagement and so the timeline then getting compressed, it's not a vote of censure or

[1:53:20] Trustee Middleton: or slapping up the wrist in any way,

[1:53:22] Trustee Middleton: it's basically saying this legitimately

[1:53:24] Trustee Middleton: should now be business of the new council.

[1:53:28] Trustee Middleton: And if it needs to have some airing of the issues

[1:53:31] Trustee Middleton: in a way where public gets further engaged,

[1:53:33] Trustee Middleton: because it's a time when people do tune in,

[1:53:36] Trustee Middleton: then at the election, then that would be excellent.

[1:53:38] Trustee Middleton: That would be a time to get and hear

[1:53:40] Trustee Middleton: good public feedback about people's views.

[1:53:45] Trustee Middleton: And so I think there's no,

[1:53:48] Trustee Middleton: so close to that time frame now with that that I definitely support the

[1:53:53] Trustee Middleton: motion

[1:53:54] Voice 6: it

[1:53:58] Trustee Patrick: is getting very late and interested can't wait to see what they

[1:54:06] Trustee Patrick: did learn on this last round but it is important that what we had said on salt

[1:54:13] Trustee Patrick: the engagement being integral to the drafting. That's the word we use

[1:54:20] Trustee Patrick: and that's important.

[1:54:24] Trustee Patrick: Alright, then I'll call the vote. All those in favour? And that's carried.

[1:54:29] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:54:33] Trustee Patrick: So that's it. Any other new business?

[1:54:38] Trustee Patrick: I don't believe there is.

[1:54:41] Trustee Patrick: No?

[1:54:42] Trustee Patrick: Not for me.

[1:54:43] Trustee Patrick: With the lights on in the room, does that mean the power came on or is that still on?

[1:54:46] Trustee Patrick: No,

[1:54:46] Voice 3: that's off the generator.

[1:54:47] Voice 3: The power is scheduled to come on, scheduled according to BC Hydro, at 4.30.

[1:54:53] Voice 3: 4.30.

[1:54:54] Voice 3: Oh, yeah.

[1:54:54] Voice 13: So no

[1:54:56] Voice 3: need to let it show to your dark at all.

[1:54:59] That's because they want to be on the ferry.

[1:55:02] Voice 10: That's true.

[1:55:05] Trustee Patrick: That's true.

[1:55:06] Trustee Patrick: So the next meeting then is July 21st.

[1:55:09] Trustee Patrick: I know I'm not going to be in here in person because I have a wedding to go to with my own daughter.

[1:55:14] Trustee Patrick: So I'm going to

[1:55:16] Trustee Patrick: that. Sorry, guys.

[1:55:17] Trustee Patrick: No

[1:55:17] Voice 3: priorities, Trustee Patrick, please.

[1:55:20] Voice 3: I

[1:55:20] Trustee Patrick: will be able to join electronically that day.

[1:55:24] Voice 3: We'll see what happens.

[1:55:25] Trustee Patrick: But I will not be in the island.

[1:55:30] Voice 3: I guess we could excuse that.

[1:55:34] Voice 3: Do we need a motion?

[1:55:37] Trustee Patrick: So with that, this agenda has a second town hall,

[1:55:41] Trustee Patrick: which is that we do not rework decisions that we made, but this is a second chance if there's anything people wish to say. Priscilla?

[1:55:49] Voice 16: Sorry, I know I already spoke a lot. I apologize.

[1:55:54] Voice 16: Do I understand you, to be putting forth specifically, I think I heard from Julie,

[1:56:00] Voice 16: that you think that the election is a good time to discuss a lot of the issues about governance

[1:56:06] Voice 16: than about the, what next steps would be taken at a broader level than are, than each separate islands, from what goes on, is that your point of view?

[1:56:23] Voice 16: Well,

[1:56:23] Trustee Middleton: the election would be on each separate island, of course, and the discussion would take place on each separate island,

[1:56:29] Trustee Middleton: but I think it's a time for people to say, yeah, what they're looking for,

[1:56:36] Trustee Middleton: And then for those who step forward to say what their views and visions are for how to sort out the same engagement process for most specifically for the policy statement review.

[1:56:49] Trustee Middleton: I think it's a very good time when people pay attention and listen and are engaged at that point, right?

[1:56:55] Trustee Middleton: Perhaps more so than at other times.

[1:56:59] Voice 16: I'm usually entirely respectful of your opinions and at least deeply interested.

[1:57:04] Voice 16: I think that's a terrible idea.

[1:57:06] Voice 16: And my reasoning is we know on small islands that elections are often quite partisan and people are very opinionated who haven't a freaking clue about what's going on.

[1:57:20] Voice 16: And I would, you two have been a part of this for quite a while and I think you have a lot of insight and experience.

[1:57:29] Voice 16: I do not go to the larger meetings, and I don't have that experience to bring home even for clarity on what the discussions are.

[1:57:39] Voice 16: I am sick and tired of hearing, I don't want to pay taxes, and this is just another – the trust is – what are the common things?

[1:57:49] Voice 16: The CRD takes care of this.

[1:57:51] Voice 16: We don't need another level of government.

[1:57:53] Voice 16: I don't want to pay taxes for this.

[1:57:56] Voice 16: it's totally believed out of life for people who've hardly been a part of the

[1:58:01] Voice 16: trust and I would hope that you two would have a meeting before then or

[1:58:07] Voice 16: something to give us the benefit you are our representatives to give us the

[1:58:13] Voice 16: benefit of what you've learned at the many meetings and what not who's wrong

[1:58:18] Voice 16: or as you said not to slap somebody's wrist but to say what are these big

[1:58:23] Voice 16: big issues that are being discussed with some appreciation

[1:58:31] Voice 16: for the vastness of the problems that are being looked at

[1:58:36] Voice 16: and what we hope to accomplish.

[1:58:38] Voice 16: I would not leave that to candidates

[1:58:40] Voice 16: at a local election for a meeting.

[1:58:43] Voice 16: So thank you.

[1:58:44] Voice 16: That's my opinion.

[1:58:45] Voice 16: I just couldn't think of a worse forum for a discussion

[1:58:49] Voice 16: to actually get real information out or to be able to for both of you to

[1:58:57] Voice 16: identify here's where we're opinionated or or or here's there's ambiguity here

[1:59:03] Voice 16: or this is a situation that's being discussed at a national level never even

[1:59:08] Voice 16: mind a provincial level half of this is population pressure in my opinion and I

[1:59:15] Voice 16: don't know where we would have a chance in an election to be able to break

[1:59:20] Voice 16: forth the broader societal pressures and shifts in island life. So, thank you.

[1:59:28] Voice 3: If I could just speak to what we were, what we're hoping, what I'm hoping, is both Lee and I

[1:59:36] Voice 3: live within Trust Council and have for the last four years and I guess three

[1:59:41] Voice 3: years before that for you. And

[1:59:43] Voice 16: represented us very well.

[1:59:45] Voice 3: And six years, and what we're

[1:59:47] Voice 3: What we're hoping is that what will become the issue is how we best move forward in respect

[2:00:00] Voice 3: What do we do to address the issues, the very clear issues that have been identified in the governance review?

[2:00:08] Voice 3: These are issues that some trustees, quite a few, felt that there were signs that there were these issues.

[2:00:17] Voice 3: Couldn't put our finger on it, or we could put our finger on it, but there was no credibility.

[2:00:21] Voice 3: ability. So the independent and very qualified consultants came in and they identified huge

[2:00:32] Voice 3: issues, massive issues. It's my belief that there's a number of trustees that really don't

[2:00:43] Voice 3: believe this is an issue at all. I think I spoke to it earlier on that this is just normal

[2:00:48] Voice 3: normal bitching about the trust and there's really, there's no problem here and let's just kind of progress and keep doing what we're doing.

[2:00:56] Voice 3: I'm hoping that there's going to be trustees come for election and say, we care about preserve and protect.

[2:01:03] Voice 3: We care about doing it effectively. And so we are going to be pursuing, A, the recommendations of the governance review.

[2:01:12] Voice 3: we're going to be pursuing having the province engaged in the trust and we're

[2:01:20] Voice 3: going to pursue having the province review the best way to deliver preserve

[2:01:26] Voice 3: and protect period because I think there's there are trustees that say that

[2:01:30] Voice 3: we don't need that we'll just continue doing what we're doing and I don't think

[2:01:36] Voice 3: that's appropriate so I think what I'd like to see is is is potential trustees

[2:01:42] Voice 3: say, yeah, we believe in

[2:01:43] Voice 3: presume or pretend. We believe in

[2:01:45] Voice 3: doing it in the best way possible.

[2:01:48] Voice 3: We believe the province

[2:01:49] Voice 3: needs to be engaged

[2:01:50] Voice 3: in reviewing what we have

[2:01:53] Voice 3: today and making it better.

[2:01:56] Voice 3: With that,

[2:01:57] Voice 3: there it is.

[2:02:00] Voice 3: You know, it's yours to fix,

[2:02:02] Voice 3: province, but right now, we do

[2:02:04] Voice 3: know something. It's not very

[2:02:06] Voice 3: effective.

[2:02:07] Voice 16: One of the huge things

[2:02:08] Voice 16: that

[2:02:09] Voice 16: I would say neither of you have discussed

[2:02:13] Voice 16: and maybe it's not open to you, and it's always a part of the discussions,

[2:02:17] Voice 16: is First Nations involvement and engagement.

[2:02:21] Voice 16: And I know nothing about it, and I haven't heard any, I don't,

[2:02:25] Voice 16: it seems like consultation with them is separate, so I don't know,

[2:02:31] Voice 16: I have no idea how to figure that into what's happening,

[2:02:35] Voice 16: and that causes me some confusion or concern.

[2:02:40] Voice 16: I don't speak for anybody, I certainly don't speak for First Nations, but it seems to always be there, our presence, and I don't know where that figures in.

[2:02:49] Voice 3: We agree with you. We agree with you. We understand that the consultations have been secret. We disagree with that.

[2:02:58] Voice 3: And so that'll be one of the things that needs to be discussed.

[2:03:03] Voice 3: and with that question in my view improved because there is a there's a I

[2:03:09] Voice 3: have the same concerns as you do absolutely it's

[2:03:15] Trustee Patrick: evolving First Nations

[2:03:16] Trustee Patrick: it's you know we're starting a new chapter and writing everything from

[2:03:21] Trustee Patrick: scratch we're going to make mistakes and I appreciate John Jack who's the chair

[2:03:29] Trustee Patrick: chair of the Bernie Clayquot Regional District,

[2:03:32] Trustee Patrick: and that's what he says.

[2:03:34] Trustee Patrick: You're gonna make mistakes, but you gotta try.

[2:03:37] Trustee Patrick: I

[2:03:38] Voice 16: understand that, but if we're looking for overall,

[2:03:42] Voice 16: way forward, it's a big part of it,

[2:03:45] Voice 16: and it's so completely unknown,

[2:03:47] Voice 16: so it leaves us with about two-thirds over here,

[2:03:49] Voice 16: but one-thirds here that we're not-

[2:03:51] Voice 16: I

[2:03:51] Trustee Patrick: absolutely agree.

[2:03:52] Trustee Patrick: I keep hearing references to parallel processes.

[2:03:56] Trustee Patrick: I said, no, it can't have a parallel process.

[2:03:58] Trustee Patrick: Maybe a ladder, where we've got rungs on the ladder that we're communicating so that we're growing together,

[2:04:06] Trustee Patrick: because reconciliation is a journey together, and that's what we have to do.

[2:04:11] Voice 3: We're all in violent agreement.

[2:04:14] Trustee Patrick: Violent agreement.

[2:04:17] Trustee Patrick: I

[2:04:17] Voice 13: think that's correct. I think to tune it up, the frustration for some of the previous speakers, myself and frankly everybody,

[2:04:27] Voice 13: is the frustration of the governments, of the trust, the lack of information.

[2:04:34] Voice 13: We're not getting correct information. Well, we're not getting, sorry, we're not getting all the information.

[2:04:40] Voice 13: Anyhow, at the bottom of the line when it comes to the election, each island will do whatever each island decides to do.

[2:04:47] Voice 13: Here on Saturno, I personally, because we know now that Paul's not re-running, I personally, the person that comes up,

[2:04:56] Voice 13: I would like to have answers to those general questions. I don't want to hash out the individual nuts and bolts.

[2:05:05] Voice 13: I just want to know that our new trustee will understand that there was a governance review and a number of the trustees didn't actually believe it.

[2:05:17] Voice 13: Do you believe that the governance review needs to be done? And an answer to

[2:05:22] Voice 13: that question is something like 54.

[2:05:23] Voice 13: for thank

[2:05:25] Trustee Patrick: you thank you anyone else with that we're going to be going into a closed meeting

[2:05:34] Trustee Patrick: so i thank you everyone and uh the next of the next public meeting will be on the 21st

[2:05:38] Trustee Patrick: and uh i need someone to read out the closed meeting motion on 18.1

[2:05:44] Trustee Patrick: be

[2:05:45] Trustee Middleton: close to the public and acquaintance with the community charter part four division

[2:05:52] Trustee Middleton: to be section 19, bracket 1.

[2:05:59] Trustee Middleton: The appointment of the camera meeting

[2:06:00] Trustee Middleton: will be administrated up until

[2:06:01] Trustee Middleton: 4th of 2019.

[2:06:03] Trustee Middleton: The appointment of the board of various members

[2:06:06] Trustee Middleton: and that the recorder and staff

[2:06:08] Trustee Middleton: attend the meeting.

[2:06:09] Trustee Middleton: Is that seconded? Seconded.

[2:06:10] Trustee Middleton: All

[2:06:11] Trustee Patrick: those in favor? That's carried.

[2:06:13] Trustee Patrick: Alright, thank you guys. Thank you

[2:06:14] Voice 11: for stopping the meeting.

[2:06:16] Trustee Patrick: Thank you for stopping the recording.

Saturna Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 19, 2022 ADOPTED Page 1 of 8 
 
 
Saturna Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 19, 2022 
Saturna Recreation and Cultural Centre 
104 Harris Road, Saturna Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Paul Brent, Local Trustee 
 Lee Middleton, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Robin Ellchuk, Recorder 
 
Others Present: Approximately 20 members of the public were present. 
  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 11:33 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in the traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee Brent:   
 Attended the Trust Programs Committee meeting this past week at which the Community 
Stewardship Awards were discussed; and 
 In response to the Draft Policy Statement several people have expressed concerns and are 
not in favour of the Draft Policy Statement.   
Trustee Middleton:    
 Discussed the Governance & Management Review Report; 
 There has been discussion on the best way to proceed with the 15 recommendations in the 
Report;  
 The Report is available for the public to review on the Islands Trust website; 
 There will be discussion of the Report at the June Trust Council meeting; and 
 The first step in addressing the recommendations of the Report is for the Trust Council to 
establish a Governance Committee. 
A D O P T E D 

 
Saturna Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 19, 2022 ADOPTED Page 2 of 8 
 
4. CHAIR'S REPORT 
Chair Patrick: 
 The next Trust Council Meeting held on June 21-23, 2022 will be a virtual meeting; and 
 The Trust Council Meeting’s Town Hall will be held on June 21 and the delegation 
submissions deadline for the Trust Council Town Hall portion of the meeting is June 2, 2022.  
5. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Mairead Boland:   
 The water use information in the third Groundwater Solutions report is flawed and should 
be reviewed technically before any regulations are decided on; 
 The reports have only been in the public domain since January 2022 when they were 
catalogued.  Specific questions regarding the report have not yet been addressed.  If there is 
no further response, Ms. Boland proposes that the water use details for Saturna, and some 
of her other questions, are critically reviewed in a Saturna Local Trust Committee meeting. 
Ideally there should be base maps at the meeting and have plenty of time for questions to 
be asked and answered. 
Trustee Middleton expressed that not including the Groundwater Solutions Report in today’s meeting 
agenda was an oversite.  Trustee Middleton indicated that the Report is in the early stage regarding new 
regulations for water management and potable water.   
Chair Patrick informed Mairead Boland that the Senior Freshwater Specialist is preparing a response to 
address her concerns. 
 THIS IS STATED BELOW 
Planner Smith noted that the Local Trust Committee may wish to add Groundwater as a late item to the 
meeting to address Mairead Boland’s concerns, or include in next meeting. 
Town Hall Continued with the following discussion: 
 A member of the community talked about concerns with regards to water licences; 
 A member of the community shared that the map of well locations for Saturna Island at the 
Nanaimo office for water licenses was not accurate; and 
 Also the criteria for water measurement should include more than measuring wells, it 
should include catchment and water runoff. 
Trustee Brent read a standing resolution that was passed a few months ago regarding measuring of 
water which included rain water catchment systems as proof of adequate potable water for subdivision. 
Trustee Middleton spoke to the issue that the Ministry would abide by a standard of water 
measurement if there was an established standard of water measurement in place by the local 
authority. To establish a standard is part of the reason for the ground water study to include rain water 
and lower flow systems. 
 
 

 
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SA-2022-012 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee request Staff address the questions provided 
by resident Mairead Boland.  
CARRIED 
  SA-2022-013 
  It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee request staff to present a report at the next 
Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Regular Meeting and to have the Senior Fresh 
Water Specialist give a presentation on the groundwater study being completed. 
 
This motion was not voted on. 
 
 There are concerns regarding farm status and the farm land assessment process. The 
assessment is completed online now instead of with a visit from a government official in-
person;   
 A member of the community talked about concerns about discussions not happening 
enough regarding water and governance structure. That the residents are the ones who are 
knowledgeable about the facts regarding decisions about density issues and water use; 
 There are also issues and concern about the Trustees not addressing the comments made by 
the residents on the southern Islands with regards to the criticism of the Islands Trust; and 
 The question was asked, “Where do the residents bring their opinions and how to engage in 
discussion?”  As the residents are informed and educated and want to have discussion with 
the government and Islands Trust regarding their issues.  
Discussion occurred regarding the “preserve and protect” mandate of the Islands Trust and the 
importance of engagement with the community. 
6. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
6.1 SA-LCB-2022.1 Feral Goat Winery Liquor License Expansion Application 
Planner Smith summarized the staff report for the application. 
Applicant:  Doug & Ann Haywood talked about their intentions and plans for the winery.  They 
addressed concerns regarding water, noise, the road maintenance, and the Liquor license needed as 
well as their desire to remain local and their commitment to community values.  They thanked the 
community for their support.  Trustee Brent stated there were 85 letters of support submitted by the 
community and 1 letter with concerns. 
7. PUBLIC HEARING 
None 
  

 
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8. MINUTES 
8.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated February 17, 2022  
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of February 17, 
2022 were adopted. 
8.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report Dated May 2022 
There were no questions raised.   
9. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
9.1 Follow-up Action List Dated May 2022 
Outstanding letters regarding Southern Resident Killer Whales will be followed up by Trustee 
Middleton. 
10. DELEGATIONS 
 None 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
11.1 BC Electoral Boundaries Commission - March 3, 2022  
 There were no questions raised. 
12. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
12.1 SA-LCB-2022.1 (Feral Goat Winery) - Staff Report  
SA-2022-014 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to send a response to the Liquor 
and Cannabis Regulation Branch regarding the Feral Goat Winery application for a New 
Lounge and Outdoor Patio at 32 Trueworthy Road that states: 
a. The proposed location of the lounge and outdoor patio is considered to be suitable;  
b. The proposed person capacity of one hundred and seventy-five (175) for the lounge and 
outdoor patio is considered to be suitable;  
c. The potential impacts due to noise if the application is approved would be very minimal;  
d. The potential general impacts on the community if the application is approved would be 
beneficial because of the cultural and economic benefits to the Island as a whole. 
 
e. The Local Trust Committee has solicited public input to gather residents’ views and 86 
residents provided written comments of which 85 were in favor; 
 
f. A notice of the application was mail dropped to all residences on Saturna Island, sent to 
the Saturna Beach Strata Corp for distribution to strata members, posted on local 
bulletin boards, posted on the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee webpage, and sent 

 
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electronically to Saturna Island email subscribers. Residents were invited to provide 
written submissions or attend a community information meeting, 
 
g. A community information meeting was held on May 19, 2022, to gather residents’ views 
about the application of which 17 attended and all were in favour. 
 
h. The residents’ views were fully supportive about the application. 
 
i. The Local Trust Committee agrees with the residents’ views that the application should 
be supported; and 
 
j. The Local Trust Committee recommends the application be approved. 
CARRIED 
SA-2022-015 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to include a record of the 
community information meeting with the response to the Liquor and Cannabis 
Regulation Branch regarding the Feral Goat Winery application for a New Lounge 
and Outdoor Patio. 
CARRIED 
13. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
13.1 New Fees Bylaw - Request for Decision 
SA-2022-016 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Local Trust Committee defer a decision on the new fee bylaw until 
we have had public consultation in the form of a Community Information 
Meeting. 
           CARRIED 
Discussion occurred that there should be a Community Information Meeting (CIM) to discuss further the 
new fees bylaw at the October 20, 2022 Saturna LTC Regular Business Meeting. 
  

 
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13.2 OCP and LUB Minor Review Project – Staff Report  
  SA-2022-017 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee proposed Bylaw No. 133, cited as “Saturna 
Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 70, 2000, Amendment No. 01, 2021”, be read 
a second time.  
 CARRIED 
 
SA-2022-018 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw proposed No. 134, cited as “Saturna 
Island Land Use Bylaw No. 119, 2018, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be amended by 
replacing the reference to “2.16” with “2.15” in Section 15.1, Subsection 15.1.38. 
  
 CARRIED 
 
SA-2022-019 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw proposed No. 134, cited as “Saturna 
Island Land Use Bylaw No. 119, 2018, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be read a second time 
as amended.  
 CARRIED 
 
 
SA-2022-020 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a Public Hearing for 
proposed Bylaws No. 133 and No. 134 to be held on July 21, 2022.  
 CARRIED 
 
SA-2022-021 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a community 
information meeting in conjunction with the public hearing for proposed Bylaws No. 133 
and No. 134.  
 CARRIED 
 
14. REPORTS 
14.1 Work Program Reports 
14.1.1 Top Priorities Report dated May 2022 
  Reviewed for information. 
  

 
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14.1.2 Projects List Report Dated May 2022 
  Reviewed for information. 
14.2 Applications Report Dated May 2022  
  No discussion.  Presented for information. 
14.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated March 2022 
  SA-2022-022 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee request Staff explore the possibility of 
reallocating Saturna Island Local Trust Committee expense funds of $2500 to be 
designated for heritage grants to Cliffside Publishing. 
   CARRIED 
14.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions  
  No discussion occurred. 
14.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  No discussion occurred. 
14.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated March 2022 
  No discussion occurred. 
15. NEW BUSINESS 
15.1 Draft Annual Report Wording - for approval  
SA-2022-023 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee approve the contents as amended for the 
2021/22 Annual Report. 
      CARRIED 
SA-2022-024 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee move that the rewrite of the Trust’s Policy 
Statement be put on hold and not proceed to First Reading this term, and that all the 
public consultation materials in their entirety be provided to Trust Council early in the 
next term for their deliberation. 
      CARRIED 
  

 
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16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 The next Regular Meeting is scheduled for July 21, 2022, at the Saturna Recreation and 
Cultural Centre, Saturna Island, BC 
17. TOWN HALL  
 Residents expressed concerns that the election wouldn’t be a good time to discuss issues 
regarding governance and what next steps need to be taken.  Possibly to have a meeting 
before the elections to give benefit of the current Trustees experience to have discussion 
regarding the issues and concerns of the residents. 
Chair Patrick added that regarding consultation with First Nations that the reconciliation process is a 
process that is evolving. 
18. CLOSED MEETING  
18.1 Motion to Close the Meeting  
SA-2022-025 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3 s. 90(1) (a) personal information about an identifiable individual who 
holds or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the 
municipality or another position appointed by the municipality; and (d) the security of 
the property of the municipality; for the purpose of considering: 
 Adoption of In-Camera Meeting Minutes Dated October 24, 2019 
 Appointment of Board of Variance Members 
And that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
Committee closed the meeting at 1:40p.m. 
19. ADJOURNMENT 
 By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:40 p.m. 
 
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Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
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Certified Correct: 
Robin Ellchuk, Recorder