Islands Trust Conservancy Board regular meeting, May 30, 2022

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[0:02:17] Voice 5: Good afternoon, Main Island,

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[0:02:40] Voice 5: Welcome to the May 30th, 2022, which is our first meeting in two months because we didn't

[0:02:47] Voice 5: have one scheduled in august sorry april uh getting ahead of myself and uh uh i want to start

[0:02:54] Voice 5: by by acknowledging and recognizing with respect and um and and gratitude that we're meeting in

[0:03:00] Voice 5: in of course the uh the uh traditional territory of coast salish people um uh main island would

[0:03:09] Voice 5: have been and is a a traditional area for many coast salish people in particular uh and we're

[0:03:16] Voice 5: privileged and i'm always reminded as i come across the sailor's sea on the on the uh the

[0:03:22] Voice 5: ferry uh what a beautiful place it is as we enter into uh all of these um beautiful days and watching

[0:03:29] Voice 5: it i can imagine why why they've lived here for millennium um so thank you this is um our regular

[0:03:37] Voice 5: meeting let me introduce the people you see in front of you and for for those of you that are

[0:03:41] Voice 5: watching the live stream of this meeting um uh i'm my name is dan rogers and i'm the chair of the

[0:03:49] Voice 5: main island local trust committee i sit on the executive committee of islands trust and have

[0:03:55] Voice 5: done for the last three years and eight months um and i've had the privilege of chairing main island

[0:04:03] Voice 5: as well as Galeano and Gabriola's.

[0:04:06] Voice 5: And I come from Alcatsum, Housound and Keats Island.

[0:04:12] Voice 5: That's my home and that's my connection

[0:04:14] Voice 5: to the islands area.

[0:04:17] Voice 5: To my right and on the screen to your left

[0:04:19] Voice 5: are your two local trustees,

[0:04:21] Voice 5: Trustee Janine Dodds and Trustee David Maude.

[0:04:25] Voice 5: Nice to see you both.

[0:04:27] Voice 5: We have with us as well, Nerissa Chadwick,

[0:04:30] Voice 5: who is the uh who is the planner the island planner for main island uh hi narissa and of

[0:04:37] Voice 5: course pat todd uh who's our recorder for this meeting um so this meeting is being uh live

[0:04:45] Voice 5: streamed this is the continuation of our evolution of i mean i when you think about it just over two

[0:04:53] Voice 5: years ago the only way you could attend one of our meetings was the way the people there

[0:04:58] Voice 5: industry which is to be here uh and then the pandemic hit and we went virtually online and

[0:05:05] Voice 5: now we're on a a vaguely um hybrid format uh we have a high a format whereby we are recording

[0:05:14] Voice 5: our meetings that's what that cyclops thing in front of me is um and and where you'll hear uh

[0:05:21] Voice 5: if anybody's coming joining us online where you'll hear the voice come out and they're recording and

[0:05:27] Voice 5: And we're also live streaming this meeting.

[0:05:30] Voice 5: And I say live, I can't put it on here because it's about a 30 second delay and for whatever

[0:05:37] Voice 5: reason, the technology, but there's people are watching at home.

[0:05:40] Voice 5: And you can go in a few days and watch parts of the meeting that you want.

[0:05:45] Voice 5: We do not yet have the administrative capacity to also let people join us, except a select

[0:05:55] Voice 5: elect few like applicants, et cetera, and sometimes staff to join us remotely. I think that's our next

[0:06:02] Voice 5: evolution is when we get to the point where everybody could join remotely as well, but

[0:06:06] Voice 5: it requires some more staffing issues that haven't been resolved yet. So I think that's all I really

[0:06:15] Voice 5: need to say is by way of introduction, we have an agenda in front of us and I'll turn to the

[0:06:24] Voice 5: uh the trustees uh and ask if there's anything that you wish to add or amend the one suggestion

[0:06:31] Voice 5: from the planner was that we might move the tup renewal ahead of the

[0:06:37] Voice 5: main island housing society

[0:06:39] Voice 5: although i don't think the applicant is here but anyway in any case that it well it's going to be

[0:06:44] Voice 5: a relatively shorter matter if that's okay we can move

[0:06:46] Voice 16: uh

[0:06:47] Voice 5: so that would move 10.3 ahead of 10.2 and

[0:06:51] Voice 5: we'll do them in that order as opposed to uh any other if that's okay is there anything else

[0:07:00] Voice 5: anybody wishes to change or amend okay um and we receive some correspondence that we'll acknowledge

[0:07:08] Voice 5: as we get to the appropriate place on the agenda uh so if there's nothing else with that amendment

[0:07:13] Voice 5: will take the um agenda approved as amended so thanks very much so the first item on the agenda

[0:07:22] Voice 5: is what we refer to as a town hall someplace we're starting to move into a different comment called

[0:07:29] Voice 5: a different name called community commentary period but this is the opportunity for

[0:07:33] Voice 5: members of the community to address the local trust committee on uh anything that's sort of

[0:07:40] Voice 5: in our in our our orbit our whether it be our work program or something specifically that's on

[0:07:46] Voice 5: our agenda uh for for us to consider uh and um we have a few expectations related to town hall

[0:07:55] Voice 5: and i will say that my experience main island has been um invariably civil in its discourse

[0:08:02] Voice 5: in the three and a half years i've been here during a bit more than half years i've been here

[0:08:06] Voice 5: um but we do expect you to please ask you to address the trustees um not each other and uh

[0:08:14] Voice 5: not staff if it's a question that would be uh appropriately directed to staff we'll i'll do

[0:08:21] Voice 5: that for you um please address issues and not people so we're interested in what your thoughts

[0:08:27] Voice 5: are on particular issues that we're working on and and that uh or that you'd like us to work on

[0:08:32] Voice 5: and please keep your commentary civil and appropriate um as i like to say speak as if

[0:08:39] Voice 5: your grandma so that your grandmother would be proud of you um uh and i haven't met your

[0:08:44] Voice 5: grandmother but in

[0:08:45] Voice 13: most cases that's a

[0:08:46] Voice 5: fairly good litmus test so uh and and anyway those are

[0:08:51] Voice 5: requests for you um and uh with that um i'm going to suggest can i just see a show how many people

[0:09:00] Voice 5: wish to speak i'm just trying to decide whether i need to have any kind of time limitations on this

[0:09:05] Voice 5: and by the way if you're an applicant um like i for example i know you you are here you don't

[0:09:11] Voice 5: need to speak in town hall you'll have an opportunity during your application to talk

[0:09:14] Voice 5: to us we'll give you that opportunity and the same with the housing society um and i know that

[0:09:19] Voice 5: if she arrives that your representative has a oh i

[0:09:23] Voice 9: didn't recognize you you're here

[0:09:26] Voice 5: oh i've only ever seen you on a zoom meeting i'm going i know her where do i know her

[0:09:34] Voice 5: okay right got it thanks okay uh so with that i didn't see a lot of hands go up so we'll just go

[0:09:41] Voice 5: so we go ahead brian sorry former trustee brian crowley thank you

[0:09:46] Voice 10: chair um i've got about 10 pages

[0:09:52] Voice 10: here okay time limits

[0:09:55] Voice 10: let's

[0:09:56] Voice 5: go back to that i'll

[0:09:57] Voice 10: see if i can do it in two minutes that'd be great

[0:09:59] Voice 10: so i speak in support of the main island housing application which is later on the agenda

[0:10:09] Voice 10: and for transparency i am a former board member of the main island housing society but now i'm

[0:10:16] Voice 10: speaking on behalf of myself i'd like to take two minutes to discuss an item of public discourse

[0:10:22] Voice 10: course, which has not been brought up, I think, very much. There is no need to justify affordable

[0:10:29] Voice 10: housing on Main Island. Multiple studies and reports by Island Trust staff, the CRD, contracted

[0:10:35] Voice 10: experts, and empirical observation make this abundantly clear. We agree that there's a screaming

[0:10:43] Voice 10: need for rental housing. Hundreds of Main Island residents say so. Members of the LTC have said so.

[0:10:50] Voice 10: and then in addition there's a very small group of people who are opposed to the application

[0:10:57] Voice 10: they say that they support affordable housing but not next to them i will call them nimbus

[0:11:04] Voice 10: yeah let's

[0:11:05] Voice 10: really

[0:11:07] Voice 5: let's not do

[0:11:08] Voice 10: the names well that

[0:11:10] Voice 5: is a name

[0:11:13] Voice 5: okay that's that's a

[0:11:14] Voice 5: derogatory that's seen often

[0:11:16] Voice 5: in many places the derogatory term so let's let's

[0:11:19] Voice 5: try not to characterize other people as they said let's just be these people

[0:11:23] Voice 10: no

[0:11:24] Voice 17: well you know frankly i mean really then all you're doing is creating controversy i would

[0:11:29] Voice 17: skip that whole section well

[0:11:32] Voice 10: quite frankly it's a very very controversial section and it has not

[0:11:35] Voice 10: been discussed

[0:11:36] Voice 17: okay we're not in the public hearing sorry dan but if we're in the public

[0:11:41] Voice 17: hearing perhaps but right now this is town hall and you're supposed to be actually asking i would

[0:11:45] Voice 17: think more if i don't even know that the conversation is actually appropriate to town

[0:11:50] Voice 17: hall should be if you have questions about projects that are going on but if you've got

[0:11:53] Voice 17: a statement of support or non-support that would be more appropriate to our public when we get to

[0:11:58] Voice 17: public here am i wrong on that well i

[0:12:01] Voice 5: don't mind people giving their points of view we've heard

[0:12:04] Voice 5: lots of points of view about that from both people opposed and in favor of the of the project i just

[0:12:10] Voice 5: do i i do uh object to uh labeling people i think we need to have a civil discourse about uh about

[0:12:22] Voice 5: um and and i know the word nimby is loaded it's totally loaded uh and the people who are called

[0:12:30] Voice 5: that uh feel offended so i would rather we didn't develop evolve into a speech that is viewed as

[0:12:37] Voice 5: effective so so so frankly i'm totally aware and i'm i know my my co-trustees are totally aware of

[0:12:47] Voice 5: the the reasons why and the people that are opposed to the application uh they've been

[0:12:52] Voice 5: identified very clearly in the apc report uh that the people the neighbors and uh i don't think it

[0:12:59] Voice 5: helped it's helpful for us to have them labeled in any way so i i would ask you not to continue

[0:13:05] Voice 5: you if that's the essence of your of your of your submission very

[0:13:09] Voice 10: good thank you chair um i

[0:13:11] Voice 10: appreciate that and i will abide by that and i will leave the room and for your benefit i'll

[0:13:20] Voice 10: give you this paper thank you you don't need to leave the room i will

[0:13:25] Voice 6: though okay who else

[0:13:30] Voice 5: would like to talk during town hall i seem to have

[0:13:37] Voice 16: scared everybody off

[0:13:40] Voice 16: nobody

[0:13:41] Voice 5: else wishes to address us on town hall and any applications to just start clear when we get

[0:13:45] Voice 5: to the main up for example the main island housing society the only people we'll hear from are the

[0:13:50] Voice 5: actual applicant not the anybody else um the time to speak to us about other things on the agenda

[0:13:57] Voice 5: are during the town but

[0:13:59] Voice 17: we have town hall at the end

[0:14:00] Voice 5: yes we do we

[0:14:01] Voice 17: do we also have a town hall

[0:14:03] Voice 17: yes

[0:14:04] Voice 5: if you have a town hall at the end of the meeting okay so nobody else right now

[0:14:10] Voice 5: all right thank you very much um let's uh let's move on through the agenda then we don't have a

[0:14:22] Voice 5: the CIM, our public hearing, we have minutes from,

[0:14:26] Voice 5: oh, and I completely forgot, I'm sorry.

[0:14:29] Voice 5: I have to do a rise in report.

[0:14:31] Voice 5: We went into camera in April and in March, sorry,

[0:14:37] Voice 5: and we appointed the Board of Variants

[0:14:39] Voice 5: and I have to report out that,

[0:14:43] Voice 5: that we appointed to the Board of Variants

[0:14:45] Voice 5: for Maine Island, Burt Hall, Chuck Zuckerman

[0:14:47] Voice 5: and Priscilla Zimmerman.

[0:14:50] Voice 5: so that's my rising report from our last meeting

[0:14:55] Voice 5: sure bert hall chuck zuckerman and priscilla zimmerman

[0:15:05] Voice 5: they they the board of variance is a statutory body that isn't used very much

[0:15:12] Voice 5: but it basically is available for people who want to appeal the denial of a variance

[0:15:17] Voice 5: um from this body um and generally it tends to be the same people uh in on most of the southern

[0:15:26] Voice 5: gulf islands yeah we share one i know

[0:15:29] Voice 5: we share one in the northern gulf islands and i've only

[0:15:32] Voice 5: ever seen them utilized at least in the northern gulf islands but three times in my eight years

[0:15:37] Voice 5: so they're not off anyway they've been appointed we've appointed those three people

[0:15:42] Voice 5: um so we have the minutes of uh march the 28th uh and i would ask the uh trustees whether there's

[0:15:56] Voice 5: any changes to any of those minutes anything to amend then we'll adopt those as presented

[0:16:01] Voice 5: um we also have the minutes of the apc uh that are here from 6.3 apc there's another

[0:16:12] Voice 5: the that's from april the 11th that's at page 12 of the agenda um so my question we don't have that

[0:16:20] Voice 5: the minutes are relation to the fees bylaw but that's not on our agenda correct so and we don't

[0:16:27] Voice 5: have a specific report we just have a uh a minute of the meeting that's

[0:16:33] Voice 16: right that's all we've got

[0:16:34] Voice 16: okay

[0:16:35] Voice 12: so if i can tell you this is basically the apc came back in the series of questions for staff

[0:16:39] Voice 16: and

[0:16:40] Voice 12: they're waiting for those responses before they have another meeting to make the recommendations

[0:16:45] Voice 12: yeah

[0:16:45] Voice 5: and i and i have to say having read the questions i would have said they were much more

[0:16:52] Voice 5: appropriately asked to political leaders rather than staff because the of course the fees bylaw

[0:17:00] Voice 5: was developed by the regional planning committee not by staff per se i don't know uh planner um

[0:17:09] Voice 5: Chadwick, I don't know what you've thought

[0:17:11] Voice 5: about those questions.

[0:17:12] Voice 3: Well, I mean, these are not difficult

[0:17:16] Voice 3: to answer questions.

[0:17:17] Voice 3: Oh, okay.

[0:17:19] Voice 3: Because we've had the discussions already around,

[0:17:22] Voice 3: but actually relate to most of these questions.

[0:17:25] Voice 3: Those discussions were had in the deliberations

[0:17:29] Voice 3: around the violence.

[0:17:32] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:17:33] Voice 5: And so maybe you can help us out

[0:17:37] Voice 5: with do you is there an intention to for staff

[0:17:39] Voice 3: to answer those questions yeah yeah oh i think

[0:17:42] Voice 3: it's actually easy so all

[0:17:44] Voice 5: right so that's your intention okay because i would have thought some

[0:17:47] Voice 5: of these would have been anyway whatever okay so that's the that's the standard i just wanted to i

[0:17:52] Voice 5: will also just for the information of um of uh both the this community and and um the trustees

[0:18:02] Voice 5: these uh we now have seven local trust communities that have adopted the fees bylaw in in total um

[0:18:09] Voice 5: and then there are a couple that are still working through a process of how to adopt them and one or

[0:18:15] Voice 5: two are very close um but uh there's the you but there are a couple that have not yet adopted but

[0:18:21] Voice 5: seven have adopted them with a couple of very minor variations um and i know that because i

[0:18:28] Voice 5: asked the question at the last ec meeting so we knew where we were standing um okay so that that's

[0:18:35] Voice 5: so we'll just take those minutes for for uh information and go from there follow-up action

[0:18:40] Voice 5: list we have is on page 15. are there any questions from trustees for your staff or anything that the

[0:18:46] Voice 5: staff would like to bring to our attention related to the follow-up action listen

[0:18:49] Voice 5: and higher job with nothing and nothing rather than the trustees

[0:18:54] Voice 16: yeah it's a lawsuit um

[0:18:57] Voice 5: so uh

[0:18:59] Voice 5: we don't have a delegation but we have a do have it we'll have a presentation related from the

[0:19:04] Voice 5: main island housing society uh and um uh that's not really a delegation it's in response to the

[0:19:12] Voice 5: staff reporter um and then we have some correspondence here so let's work our way

[0:19:17] Voice 5: through the correspondence the first is mostly for people's information uh with some correspondence

[0:19:23] Voice 5: that i received i'm not sure if other trustees received it as well regarding the opening of the

[0:19:28] Voice 5: new sydney spill response base uh there was an invitation to an opening uh which i couldn't make

[0:19:35] Voice 5: but i think did you tell me you went and visited it no

[0:19:37] Voice 17: i've driven by a million times and it's very

[0:19:40] Voice 17: impressive and they have lots of lots of goodies in there and it's closer to to where we're going

[0:19:45] Voice 17: going to need it so very impressive but no i didn't go um certainly lots of lots of material

[0:19:51] Voice 17: in there

[0:19:52] Voice 9: yes and

[0:19:53] Voice 17: and like i said eight response vessels are moored at the van isle marina so it's

[0:19:57] Voice 17: getting the the actual before everything was out of broad inlet correct if there was first spill

[0:20:03] Voice 17: response so or nanaimo or

[0:20:05] Voice 17: nanaimo so for this area this is wonderful we have definitely got a

[0:20:09] Voice 17: much higher level of response um

[0:20:13] Voice 5: right so anyway that's there mostly for information about what

[0:20:18] Voice 5: that it exists and uh i don't know if there's anything trustees wish to do about it i wasn't

[0:20:25] Voice 5: able to make it i i think someone one of the trustees maybe it was jane wolverton told me

[0:20:29] Voice 5: she went for a tour afterwards and i think they're quite open to people going there

[0:20:34] Voice 5: the next matter is a letter from minister lisa bear regarding the connectivity

[0:20:41] Voice 5: infrastructure issue a few months ago we were asked and we did write a letter to the minister

[0:20:51] Voice 5: asking for her support related to connectivity issues and this is the response and there's also

[0:20:58] Voice 5: a response to adam olson that's in our package as well setting out where they're at in terms of the

[0:21:04] Voice 5: connectivity questions your commentary well

[0:21:06] Voice 12: it was a nice response

[0:21:08] Voice 16: um

[0:21:09] Voice 12: i think what the minister

[0:21:11] Voice 12: does not understand is that the the foundation of what she's saying for main island was based

[0:21:21] Voice 12: on Shaw Cable. But Shaw doesn't reach so much of the island. For instance, Shaw Cable works for me

[0:21:27] Voice 12: because I'm a Shaw Cable customer and they go by my door. Presti Dodds, she's how many kilometers

[0:21:33] Voice 12: away from the line. So for her to infer that the connectivity of the fiber optic cable to Shaw

[0:21:42] Voice 12: means that Maine is totally connected. There's a disconnect there.

[0:21:47] Voice 5: so so it's it's just it's important to understand that what and i think whoever is on the uh i know

[0:21:54] Voice 5: you are on the is that what we're talking about here is is the connected coast landing spot on

[0:22:00] Voice 5: the island not connectivity to homes because you need that you need a local uh provider to do that

[0:22:06] Voice 5: and if shaw's not going to do it somebody else will come along and do it and i see there i know

[0:22:12] Voice 5: you're on the group that is working on this is i don't know whether there's a plan to set up an isp

[0:22:18] Voice 5: on the island or something like that that uh uh to a provider on the island but or whether or not

[0:22:24] Voice 5: you're going to be looking to existing providers to do this we'll

[0:22:27] Voice 14: be responding to this letter we

[0:22:29] Voice 14: got a similar letter through um adam olson i think from the minister as well but that is the

[0:22:36] Voice 14: disconnect and we've mapped out the island about where shaw actually provides service and where it

[0:22:41] Voice 14: It actually doesn't, and so we're going to pursue that.

[0:22:44] Voice 14: What the minister is saying, it will either be Shaw or City West,

[0:22:48] Voice 14: and my understanding is that if there's no landing site,

[0:22:52] Voice 14: there may not be City West.

[0:22:54] Voice 14: So we are pursuing that with the Connected Coast folks

[0:22:57] Voice 14: as well as the minister.

[0:23:01] Voice 14: There is a disconnect in that and an assumption that Shaw

[0:23:05] Voice 14: is providing better service throughout the island,

[0:23:09] Voice 14: and we um they've been consistently asked if they are going to and they say no

[0:23:17] Voice 14: so it's a it's a problem for us i think that we do have a we have a box

[0:23:24] Voice 14: i'm not i'm not i'm not a web expert but there is a box to connect what she speaks to from pander

[0:23:33] Voice 14: to the south near near the ocean down there there's a box and so she's saying that and i think that

[0:23:42] Voice 14: that box is capable of providing internet services through the landing sites that are happening

[0:23:50] Voice 14: through connected coast on pander so we understand that that's capable but the linkage from there the

[0:23:55] Voice 14: last mile connectivity is not addressed adequately in the letter that she's provided

[0:24:01] Voice 5: okay

[0:24:01] Voice 14: well

[0:24:02] Voice 5: she does invite us if the trust committee wants wants us to and we we wrote a

[0:24:07] Voice 5: letter of advocacy related to this um she does say my door is always open for questions um um i don't

[0:24:16] Voice 5: know if trustees feel that we need to follow up or just leave the internet group to do it or adam

[0:24:21] Voice 5: it looks like adam it's up

[0:24:23] Voice 5: to you guys and

[0:24:24] Voice 17: i think and adam's meets with the southern island trustees

[0:24:27] Voice 17: these on a regular basis so i think you know we can write another letter but i think adam

[0:24:31] Voice 17: is aware of what's going on yeah

[0:24:33] Voice 14: so we will copy you in on the letter that we provide

[0:24:36] Voice 17: and you will

[0:24:37] Voice 14: have all the maps that show um what i've just spoken to okay

[0:24:41] Voice 5: okay thanks for the information

[0:24:43] Voice 5: anyway uh so that's here as well for information that works going on on the on the main island

[0:24:50] Voice 5: through and as well as through the the group on the island that's working towards uh this and

[0:24:57] Voice 5: that's rolling out down the coast right now i think they've gotten as far as gabriel i don't

[0:25:03] Voice 5: think they've gotten this far yet i

[0:25:04] Voice 14: think not but the announcement has been put out that they are

[0:25:07] Voice 14: connecting gabriel of galliano tender and saturn with the landing sites right and

[0:25:12] Voice 14: there is last

[0:25:12] Voice 14: mile funding through this right and

[0:25:15] Voice 5: i can tell you that in my regional area on keats the scrd

[0:25:20] Voice 5: has found funding for us to because we have nothing we have bad cell service and no internet

[0:25:27] Voice 5: so

[0:25:27] Voice 16: um

[0:25:28] Voice 5: and same with gambier i shouldn't just say keith but anyway they're they're that's working

[0:25:32] Voice 5: its way through there is funding with the regional district they've all got grants okay so thanks

[0:25:37] Voice 5: thanks for those updates uh we'll take that for information uh the next item is and i'll turn to

[0:25:43] Voice 5: trustee dodds is the letter uh related to fallow deer i have a couple things to say but i'll let

[0:25:49] Voice 5: you lead that so

[0:25:52] Voice 17: as most of you will know i i got volunteered to join the what i call the ad

[0:25:58] Voice 17: pop fellow deer committee in 2013 dave maude was also on that um maryland winter bottom was on that

[0:26:05] Voice 17: the rest of our members somewhat threw up their hands in frustration i've either you know left

[0:26:09] Voice 17: the island or whatever so for the last few years we haven't been able to do very much um coven kind

[0:26:15] Voice 17: of took over our lives and so we didn't do very much and but during that time we were under the

[0:26:20] Voice 17: understanding that through the capital regional district that we would actually get a fallow deer

[0:26:25] Voice 17: management plan there is a blacktail management plan that the crd has for sanich peninsula

[0:26:32] Voice 17: oak bay etc and we had worked with the planner at the crd at the time to custom turn that

[0:26:40] Voice 17: plan more focused towards our fallow problem but we were informed quite late in the day that they

[0:26:47] Voice 17: didn't get the funding to do the plan i've always maintained that we're trying to deal with the

[0:26:52] Voice 17: fallow deer without a plan it's like me trying to build a house without a plan i don't think

[0:26:57] Voice 17: anybody goes out to build a house without a plan so i think the plan is important

[0:27:01] Voice 17: i think that it's possible through the islands trust conservancy that they may be able to get

[0:27:08] Voice 17: a grant or funding to actually we actually have the draft plan to actually get us a ballardier

[0:27:15] Voice 17: plan so i wrote to kate emmings she's in charge of the island trust conservancy i said that on

[0:27:21] Voice 17: my own and now i'm going to present a motion asking that the local chair of the local trust

[0:27:27] Voice 17: committee send a formal letter to the main to the island's trust conservancy requesting that

[0:27:32] Voice 17: on behalf of the main island community that they pursue the the possibility of having a finding

[0:27:39] Voice 17: grant money to get us a fallow deer management plan for those that don't know the fallow deer

[0:27:45] Voice 17: are on galliano and kate lives on galliano and they've actually been on her property which is

[0:27:49] Voice 17: quite north galliano and they've been on saturn and if we don't get on top of the fallow deer i

[0:27:55] Voice 17: I assured Transition Salt Spring

[0:27:58] Voice 17: that they will be on Salt Spring.

[0:28:00] Voice 17: So it's an island-wide, Southern Gulf Island issue.

[0:28:03] Voice 17: So I think I'll just make the motion.

[0:28:05] Voice 17: I move that we request the chair

[0:28:08] Voice 17: right on behalf of the Local Trust Committee,

[0:28:10] Voice 17: making a formal request to the Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:28:14] Voice 17: to work with the Main Island Local Trust Committee

[0:28:17] Voice 17: and the Ad Hoc Fellow Deer Committee

[0:28:19] Voice 17: to find funding to get,

[0:28:22] Voice 17: to be able to prepare a fallow deer management plan good

[0:28:27] Voice 16: how far did you get back well i had a

[0:28:30] Voice 17: lot of the first part but then now you've certainly worded that they that they work

[0:28:34] Voice 17: with the main island local trust committee and the ad hoc fallow deer committee because we have

[0:28:39] Voice 17: no real standing um to to find funding and to to access a fallow deer management plan

[0:28:53] Voice 15: so uh chair to write a letter on behalf of the trust committee main island local trust committee

[0:29:05] Voice 15: um to the islands trust conservancy requesting

[0:29:12] Voice 5: sorry i

[0:29:13] Voice 15: think it's requesting they work with the

[0:29:15] Voice 5: local development they work

[0:29:19] Voice 15: with main island local trust committee and federal

[0:29:22] Voice 15: federal oh dear to find funding and access to follow this funding

[0:29:28] Voice 5: to develop to develop

[0:29:31] Voice 17: it followed your management plan and we can do your management plan

[0:29:38] Voice 5: does that that covers that

[0:29:40] Voice 17: yes if i

[0:29:40] Voice 17: wanted to say the local trust committee did try doing but we weren't we don't have the

[0:29:47] Voice 17: authority to

[0:29:48] Voice 16: do it

[0:29:49] Voice 16: or

[0:29:51] Voice 17: to get funding for it

[0:29:52] Voice 16: and

[0:29:53] Voice 17: it sounded to me like this was something that the

[0:29:57] Voice 17: violence trust conservancy could

[0:30:00] Voice 17: deal with well

[0:30:01] Voice 5: i was yeah sorry

[0:30:02] Voice 17: i'll let me before

[0:30:03] Voice 5: i before i speak let's see if there's

[0:30:05] Voice 5: a seconder for

[0:30:06] Voice 17: that there's a

[0:30:06] Voice 5: seconder um i'll just say that um uh i just did find it just was

[0:30:14] Voice 5: advised that they that the conservancies had their um species of risk funding renewed for

[0:30:21] Voice 5: another three years and it actually increased slightly um and so they're in a good place

[0:30:28] Voice 5: um you know uh both financially and and the work that they're doing um yeah so the other thing i

[0:30:37] Voice 5: wanted to just while i think of it because i i did at your request i did reach out and i gave

[0:30:44] Voice 5: you the name of transition salt spring the other thing i did talk to claire about it and she

[0:30:49] Voice 5: suggested it might be worth taking another run at the invasive species council bc she said she did

[0:30:57] Voice 5: did a few years ago and they sort of said no we're not interested because they're cute deers

[0:31:03] Voice 5: she that was her

[0:31:04] Voice 5: word um she said if they were pigs maybe it would have been different

[0:31:08] Voice 5: but but she said it might be worth having another run because that's what they do right

[0:31:13] Voice 5: is their whole map their whole uh phrase on that is to deal with invasive species and that's not

[0:31:20] Voice 5: just plants it's also animals so that's just a suggestion okay okay anything either trustee

[0:31:27] Voice 5: wish to say about the motion okay then i'll call the vote all in favor and i'll work with you

[0:31:33] Voice 5: trustee dodds to both trustees to direct

[0:31:36] Voice 12: the craft the letter maybe just strike on the same topic

[0:31:40] Voice 12: if dan do you know if that letter's written the other letter from the other

[0:31:44] Voice 17: um

[0:31:46] Voice 5: that's a good

[0:31:48] Voice 17: question have

[0:31:48] Voice 5: you not seen it no i don't i don't track these things i

[0:31:53] Voice 17: think claire was

[0:31:53] Voice 17: um down

[0:31:55] Voice 17: with the policy statement meetings i

[0:31:59] Voice 5: will uh follow up on that thank you

[0:32:02] Voice 5: no

[0:32:03] Voice 16: let me let me put it on

[0:32:04] Voice 16: my list i assumed it had gone but i should never assume

[0:32:16] Voice 16: a letter trust

[0:32:23] Voice 5: yes because we passed the motion of march related um okay uh thank you that takes

[0:32:31] Voice 5: It takes us to 9.4 which is just simply so not simply this correspondence related to the Emma and Phyllis Jack Park, supporting the approach we're taking and I know we've got a couple of others at least two others that I can recall that said something

[0:32:47] Voice 5: similar I think this is just here for our information once there's anything.

[0:32:51] Voice 5: in any of those um then we're on to applications um we start at page 26 uh so this is it mr and

[0:33:02] Voice 5: mrs personal yeah it's nice to see you um so our process is that we're going to have the staff

[0:33:09] Voice 5: report on on their on their recommendations regarding your report trustees will have an

[0:33:13] Voice 5: opportunity to ask any questions to the staff um and then i'll turn to you and ask if you wish to

[0:33:19] Voice 5: say you wish to address us at all in relation to the the application or the staff report okay

[0:33:24] Voice 5: thanks go ahead uh flounder shopper

[0:33:28] Voice 3: yeah so um in my colleague phil testable absence i will go

[0:33:33] Voice 3: through the staff report um so this is a uh development variance permit uh that has been

[0:33:39] Voice 3: applied to vary um setbacks for uh an existing um sort of the existing building on the property

[0:33:48] Voice 3: that was there for the current owners um and uh and the current owners are interested in

[0:33:55] Voice 3: extending um a portion of the main dwelling which would ex into the setback um so

[0:34:02] Voice 3: the notice had been sent out um earlier um in april uh a first notice was was sent out and

[0:34:11] Voice 3: then a second notice um based on on the legal state plan was again i was sent out again in may

[0:34:16] Voice 3: And I believe that there were no neighbors, there were no opposing views shared.

[0:34:28] Voice 3: Following a visit by staff to the property, another building was identified to be existing within the setback.

[0:34:38] Voice 3: So we, the property owner was given the option to, well, the opportunity to either remove that structure or apply again for another permit application, as this application is already well advanced.

[0:35:02] Voice 3: that's and

[0:35:05] Voice 5: that that leads us to the attachment to which is the commitment to either apply or

[0:35:11] Voice 5: remove it yeah okay

[0:35:13] Voice 5: are you done i'm

[0:35:16] Voice 16: done that's all i thought okay

[0:35:18] Voice 5: of course any questions for

[0:35:19] Voice 5: the planner okay mr percival do you wish to say anything so

[0:35:23] Voice 6: the only thing i was going to say

[0:35:24] Voice 6: that extra building that was not on the original survey it's a woodshed so we're looking at options

[0:35:30] Voice 6: of what we could do with moving it because it's not a permanent structure but as i'm concerned

[0:35:34] Voice 6: and it's on four blocks with with a nice roof and it's finished with all recycled material that we

[0:35:40] Voice 6: have so we may be applying to allow that building to stay or we may move it so that's granted

[0:35:49] Voice 6: we've got six months to make it happen right

[0:35:52] Voice 5: that's that's the way i read the application yeah

[0:35:56] Voice 6: so the the original application was to add 180 square feet to a mudroom that is the last part

[0:36:04] Voice 6: renovation on the old house right okay

[0:36:07] Voice 5: thank you and uh i know that notification

[0:36:10] Voice 5: would have gone to your neighbors and as far as i can see there's no response

[0:36:17] Voice 6: neighbors talked to before we even started the process and they were totally fine okay

[0:36:22] Voice 5: trustees

[0:36:24] Voice 17: i'll move that the main local trust committee approves issuance of development permits permit

[0:36:29] Voice 17: application m-a-d-v-p 2022.1 first of all your

[0:36:35] Voice 5: second or second any discussion from either the

[0:36:37] Voice 5: trustee

[0:36:38] Voice 17: it's unfortunate that the woodshed wasn't included in the application but you would have

[0:36:43] Voice 17: had to start all over again so that's yeah you

[0:36:48] Voice 5: want to get on yeah yeah and we're in the building

[0:36:50] Voice 5: it's easy i hear that in the spring okay anything from you trusty mon oh i'll call the vote then all

[0:37:00] Voice 5: in favor that passes unanimously thank you your dvp will issue i expect probably it's usually

[0:37:06] Voice 5: about well it usually comes out yeah

[0:37:07] Voice 16: next two or three days

[0:37:09] Voice 5: you'll get an email with another time

[0:37:11] Voice 5: does that go straight to cid

[0:37:12] Voice 5: uh that's a good

[0:37:14] Voice 5: question i have no idea uh

[0:37:15] Voice 3: they will be notified

[0:37:17] Voice 3: yeah and

[0:37:18] Voice 5: then now we can proceed as soon

[0:37:21] Voice 6: as they're

[0:37:23] Voice 5: notified you can go ahead i don't know

[0:37:25] Voice 5: what happens i just know

[0:37:26] Voice 6: i get it i get an email that's

[0:37:28] Voice 5: cop that's a copy of the email that you get

[0:37:30] Voice 5: that says here's your dvp and i have no idea what happens after that anyway thank you for coming

[0:37:36] Voice 5: nice to meet you uh we're going to go on to uh 10 point what's 10.3 which is tup iredale and gray

[0:37:45] Voice 5: that's on page 127 is

[0:37:48] Voice 16: there anybody here

[0:37:49] Voice 5: from the on from

[0:37:51] Voice 16: the applicant no i

[0:37:53] Voice 5: didn't see anybody come

[0:37:54] Voice 5: in and we met in this iredale in march so um uh you go go ahead planner child uh

[0:38:02] Voice 3: yeah so this is

[0:38:03] Voice 3: the renewal of a template permit uh for uh the annual uh campbell bay music festival event which

[0:38:11] Voice 3: had been running for nine years prior to the initial application when it expanded in size

[0:38:19] Voice 3: and so they were able to use that that temporary use permit only for one year and then COVID came

[0:38:25] Voice 3: so it's been on the festival's been on hold for the last two years so this is a simply renewal

[0:38:30] Voice 3: which means that the conditions of the existing permit are maintained there's no changes to the

[0:38:37] Voice 3: this whole permit um there uh we did meet with the with the applicant and um and talked to all

[0:38:45] Voice 3: the the various other authorities um that need to be contacted and we had already um we had already

[0:38:51] Voice 3: been in contact with uh with health and fire and rcmp and such to know that the event is happening

[0:38:59] Voice 3: okay

[0:39:02] Voice 17: i just have a question i'm sure i probably know the answer but you know they paid for a

[0:39:07] Voice 17: three-year permit which they only used for one year we can't give them more than three years

[0:39:11] Voice 17: on the renewal unfortunately

[0:39:13] Voice 3: that's that's the way the legislature yeah i

[0:39:16] Voice 17: kind of knew that was

[0:39:17] Voice 17: the answer but it does seem a shame and

[0:39:20] Voice 5: and just my for my information there we don't have a renewal

[0:39:25] Voice 5: does public notice have to be given like it is on an original application it doesn't so

[0:39:30] Voice 5: so we

[0:39:32] Voice 5: wouldn't necessarily know whether there was any i don't remember

[0:39:35] Voice 5: giving this in the first place oh

[0:39:37] Voice 17: it was well it

[0:39:38] Voice 5: must have been in the first year

[0:39:39] Voice 17: well i think it was before it was before it's

[0:39:42] Voice 17: actually more than it was before dave's time

[0:39:44] Voice 5: oh okay brian oh okay was trustee so

[0:39:46] Voice 17: it was before

[0:39:47] Voice 17: your time okay

[0:39:48] Voice 12: that's why i didn't have

[0:39:49] Voice 17: an extensive public you know extensive neighborhood

[0:39:53] Voice 17: consultation about it so

[0:39:55] Voice 12: i think they probably ran two years on the year

[0:39:57] Voice 17: and then

[0:39:59] Voice 12: it would have

[0:39:59] Voice 12: expired two

[0:39:59] Voice 17: years ago yeah

[0:40:01] Voice 5: yeah so

[0:40:02] Voice 17: they did get okay

[0:40:03] Voice 5: so i'll just turn to the two trustees and

[0:40:06] Voice 5: say sounds good to me but do you guys know if there's any kind of public concern in the

[0:40:11] Voice 5: community related

[0:40:12] Voice 17: to it no it's a huge huge benefit to the community and the society

[0:40:16] Voice 17: also you know funds all sorts of other projects it's it's nothing but a win-win okay um and well

[0:40:22] Voice 17: managed and uh yeah so i'm going to move that the main island local trust committee approved

[0:40:26] Voice 17: issuance of renewal of temporary use permit matup 2022.1 i already agreed for a period of three

[0:40:33] Voice 17: your second

[0:40:34] Voice 5: okay anything further you wish either you wish to say okay i'll call the vote all in

[0:40:39] Voice 5: favor unanimously so that as well will issue so uh that brings us to the uh main island housing

[0:40:50] Voice 5: society and there's a staff report that goes from page 41 through 126 of our package um now

[0:41:00] Voice 5: Now, what would you like to do, trustees, in terms of this?

[0:41:07] Voice 5: I know that we have a staff report, and then we also have some commentary from the Housing Society.

[0:41:16] Voice 5: Normally, we would have the staff report first, but we could ask for the Housing Society's presentation first, if you'd like.

[0:41:24] Voice 5: I think

[0:41:24] Voice 16: so.

[0:41:25] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:41:25] Voice 16: So

[0:41:26] Voice 5: does that work for you guys?

[0:41:30] Voice 5: Now, how are we going to do this? I know you sent some slides.

[0:41:34] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:41:36] Voice 11: They're not totally necessary, but just to help give some visual representation.

[0:41:44] Voice 5: Do we

[0:41:45] Voice 16: have any, do we have more for the

[0:41:47] Voice 5: members of the community?

[0:42:02] Voice 16: So, another

[0:42:03] Voice 5: thing I can do, you

[0:42:23] Voice 16: know,

[0:42:31] Voice 5: this came in this morning, right?

[0:42:36] Voice 5: Didn't we get a copy of

[0:42:38] Voice 3: this

[0:42:40] Voice 5: slide this morning?

[0:42:43] Voice 3: It came in this morning.

[0:42:45] Voice 5: Why can't I find them in my inbox?

[0:42:48] Voice 5: I was just thinking I could put them up on my computer, right?

[0:42:51] Voice 5: or does everybody that wants one have a copy

[0:42:53] Voice 3: sorry but i had it

[0:43:12] Voice 16: i didn't delete it

[0:43:18] Voice 5: so i don't know what i do

[0:43:25] Voice 16: it

[0:43:25] Voice 5: says no internet at the ag call

[0:43:33] Voice 16: are you

[0:43:34] Voice 5: maybe i'll try the 5g

[0:43:36] Voice 5: i

[0:43:38] Voice 16: was

[0:43:42] Voice 5: hooked in that oh there now now i'm connected i think so and i'll just open these up

[0:44:04] Voice 5: okay so we'll just work our way through those i mean normally

[0:44:08] Voice 5: but we think i think our approach has been the more information for the community the better so

[0:44:15] Voice 5: even though we have our own business to connect we're we're gonna we we wanted to make sure we

[0:44:20] Voice 5: have allowed this to happen so go ahead and uh i'll just advance this when we when it's time

[0:44:33] Voice 7: I'm going to give the first couple of minutes and then turn my podium over to Elaine.

[0:44:43] Voice 7: So at this point, as you know, the project's been moved out of abeyance a couple of months

[0:44:48] Voice 7: ago.

[0:44:48] Voice 7: During the time, the last six months, we've done a substantial amount of work, much of

[0:44:54] Voice 7: which is in your hands, including the thing that I'm going to talk about right now, some

[0:44:57] Voice 7: technical reports of the commission.

[0:45:00] Voice 7: There was a well logging report done, so putting a depth monitor, a pressure monitor into the

[0:45:06] Voice 7: well.

[0:45:06] Voice 7: It was in the well from September 30th to February 17th, and the motion here is to try

[0:45:12] Voice 7: and determine how the well behaves while it's not in use.

[0:45:18] Voice 7: The water level over that period of time rose about three meters, which is what you'd expect

[0:45:22] Voice 7: from backflow recharge in the winter.

[0:45:25] Voice 7: There was no interference from the neighboring wells, so there was no cycling up and down

[0:45:29] Voice 7: at Christmas time or the weekends, times of high occupancy and high water use. There were minor

[0:45:35] Voice 7: five to ten centimeter effects daily from tides, so that should show us proximity to the ocean,

[0:45:46] Voice 7: and there were no significant effects seen from the major rain events in

[0:45:50] Voice 7: November. So there's no all same increases in water level, so it indicates that aquifer is

[0:45:59] Voice 7: is well detached from surface water flows

[0:46:01] Voice 7: and it is being recharged naturally.

[0:46:04] Voice 7: So that's good news because it confirms the evaluation

[0:46:10] Voice 7: of the well as I'm producing one.

[0:46:12] Voice 7: Very unlikely to be affected by saltwater intrusion

[0:46:15] Voice 7: and very unlikely to affect any water loss.

[0:46:20] Voice 7: We also commissioned a water management plan

[0:46:22] Voice 7: which the trustees and staff have seen

[0:46:24] Voice 7: but it wasn't attached to the staff report

[0:46:29] Voice 7: for this meeting because it's under review but I just wanted to go over a little bit of what is in

[0:46:34] Voice 7: that because it's an important document for a lot of reasons. One of the things it does is deal with

[0:46:40] Voice 7: potable water usage, how much is needed, how it will be stored, how it will be treated and what

[0:46:48] Voice 7: are the monitoring requirements going on from now on but there is definitely an adequate supply of

[0:46:55] Voice 7: water the usage might vary from five to seven thousand meters a day but there's

[0:47:00] Voice 7: more than

[0:47:00] Voice 7: adequate supply and relatively straightforward plan to treat that water

[0:47:05] Voice 7: we also added in this report a significant section on storm water management

[0:47:12] Voice 7: you know that's a concern particularly for the neighbors of north this is a um is a wet site

[0:47:19] Voice 7: site and it's on the slope of the bottom of a steep mountain. So this is just a three

[0:47:25] Voice 7: acre site. It doesn't have a huge impact on the rest of the world, but uphill there's

[0:47:30] Voice 7: 20 to 30 acres of steep mountain slope that is bringing down towards Village Bay essentially.

[0:47:37] Voice 7: There's two culverts running underneath Village Bay Road, one to the east and one to the west

[0:47:43] Voice 7: of this property where this development is going on,

[0:47:46] Voice 7: both of those in high water

[0:47:48] Voice 7: discharge substantial amounts of water.

[0:47:51] Voice 7: That water flows adjacent to the parcel

[0:47:54] Voice 7: that the housing society is going to be using

[0:47:56] Voice 7: and ultimately across the bottom portion

[0:47:59] Voice 7: through the wetland,

[0:48:01] Voice 7: which is a subject of our wetland remediation plan.

[0:48:05] Voice 7: So the engineering analysis of the surface water situation

[0:48:12] Voice 7: which included an examination of the permeability of the soil

[0:48:18] Voice 7: and an estimate of the impact of development on water retention on the property.

[0:48:26] Voice 7: And they walked through the methodology that's used in an engineering sense

[0:48:32] Voice 7: to figure out what impact the development might have on surface water flows.

[0:48:37] Voice 7: They concluded that about 6,000, 6.7 cubic meters, 6,000 liters of water would need to be

[0:48:46] Voice 7: required, would need to be stored to accommodate a surge event according to the

[0:48:54] Voice 7: difference in the absorption of the water of the site because of the new development.

[0:49:01] Voice 7: It should be noted that that's about a hundredth of the area or the volume of the two retention

[0:49:07] Voice 7: But in addition, by this, there would be a surge capacity tied in to the rainwater from

[0:49:13] Voice 7: the water management system, so there would be the capability to store and then slowly

[0:49:18] Voice 7: release a surge of a stormwater that's required under the ... I'm not sure how clear that

[0:49:28] Voice 7: is without having the document in front of you, given that it's not yet available on

[0:49:33] Voice 7: on the Island Trust website.

[0:49:35] Voice 7: We will put it on our own website

[0:49:37] Voice 7: so people can have a look at it and see what's in there.

[0:49:41] Voice 7: They do make the point that the obligation of a development

[0:49:44] Voice 7: is to essentially not make things worse.

[0:49:48] Voice 7: They need to take care that nothing that is done

[0:49:51] Voice 7: on the site is going to make stormwater surges

[0:49:55] Voice 7: worse than they were before.

[0:49:58] Voice 7: However, given our remediation plan,

[0:50:00] Voice 7: wetlands plan, the decompaction,

[0:50:02] Voice 7: and additional we expect to substantially slow the flow of water across the land and there should be

[0:50:09] Voice 7: a net benefit for anybody downstream which is above and beyond what is typically required

[0:50:14] Voice 7: we're happy to consult with neighbors if you have questions about that and would like to have

[0:50:29] Voice 7: further discussion around that the other aspect in there i think addressing something that rusty

[0:50:35] Voice 7: Dusty Dodds brought forward his recommendations

[0:50:37] Voice 7: with all skills to handle

[0:50:40] Voice 7: stormwater management during construction.

[0:50:42] Voice 7: So some suggested techniques for straw bales

[0:50:46] Voice 7: and other techniques for reducing any impact

[0:50:49] Voice 7: of any flood, any rainwater events during construction.

[0:50:55] Voice 7: The third piece of work that we had done

[0:50:57] Voice 7: by the same engineering firm,

[0:50:59] Voice 7: work by the same engineering firm

[0:51:02] Voice 7: was a redesign of the driveway.

[0:51:04] Voice 7: And that you can see on the drawing is just the fashion of that report.

[0:51:11] Voice 7: It shows the driveway coming in from the western corner of the lot and traversing towards the development.

[0:51:19] Voice 7: Instead of having a loop-wise driveway around the veteran tree at the center of this development,

[0:51:25] Voice 7: essentially a Y-shaped turnaround area.

[0:51:27] Voice 7: So a large firetruck moving the vehicle back into one of those Ys

[0:51:33] Voice 7: and then drive out so we've gotten away from the requirement of having a full loop around the tree

[0:51:41] Voice 7: so that'll keep traffic completely out of the subject and it also would mean that any

[0:51:46] Voice 7: headlights for people coming are not going to be directed onto the neighboring property

[0:51:51] Voice 7: so i think this is a more neighbor friendly version of the of the layout the exact location

[0:51:57] Voice 7: parking spots on this will be resolved during detail design

[0:52:02] Voice 7: i wouldn't spend too much time considering whether they're exactly at 90 degrees where they might be

[0:52:08] Voice 7: shifted but they'll be outside the three projection zone which is the ring you can see around the

[0:52:13] Voice 7: large tree and they'll be generally in fairly close to the places where they're indicated right

[0:52:20] Voice 7: now so i'm happy to take any questions okay

[0:52:25] Voice 17: well my questions i kind of shake my head a little bit

[0:52:28] Voice 17: it because why are we having so many parking places when we're going to be on the new CRD

[0:52:33] Voice 17: trail and people have electric bikes and you're close to the store and the ferry and so I kind

[0:52:38] Voice 17: of question me in this day and age that many parking spaces or rather to maybe have like a

[0:52:45] Voice 17: car share or some electric plug-ins or bike parking or we

[0:52:50] Voice 7: do plan to have electric plug-ins

[0:52:52] Voice 7: and allow for bike parking but this is an allowance um made according to pretty common

[0:52:58] Voice 7: site design requirements and it came through richard iredale this is a this is a basically

[0:53:04] Voice 7: one per single one stall per single dwelling do stalls for the two bedroom places and then six

[0:53:12] Voice 7: five or six yes parking most most we don't

[0:53:15] Voice 7: want anybody to be parking on yeah

[0:53:17] Voice 17: i understand that

[0:53:19] Voice 17: but in today's age and thinking you know five ten years from now it seems very car heavy that's a

[0:53:25] Voice 7: very good point yeah yeah we don't have to we're not admitting that yeah i

[0:53:32] Voice 17: mean most most places

[0:53:33] Voice 17: now certainly in the urban areas don't a lot of them don't even allow for cars but i don't

[0:53:39] Voice 17: know we don't want people parking village bay road stuff okay okay

[0:53:43] Voice 5: thanks sir who is next

[0:53:46] Voice 11: Thank you for having me today.

[0:53:50] Voice 11: It's nice to be in the community and see faces in person.

[0:53:54] Voice 11: So I won't get too into detail about the housing agreement and the covenant that was covered in the staff report, and I have yet to go to a legal review.

[0:54:02] Voice 11: But I just want to clarify a few things that, from

[0:54:05] Voice 1: the Rhode Island

[0:54:06] Voice 11: Housing Society perspective, that perhaps weren't covered in the staff report.

[0:54:09] Voice 11: and I did also want to just cover a quick clarification based on my last presentation

[0:54:15] Voice 11: which I believe was two months ago via zoom about the new funding structure that we were working on

[0:54:20] Voice 11: and sort of the funding context for housing right now and I just wanted to be clear because I'm not

[0:54:27] Voice 11: sure if it was fully understood based actually on a name liner this month by the LTC it described

[0:54:36] Voice 11: to main island is not as a housing society not being successful at achieving pc housing funding

[0:54:41] Voice 11: but actually the society has not applied for that funding to date at the time of the last call

[0:54:47] Voice 11: because rezoning was not achieved um why the projects who i work with um we advise them not

[0:54:52] Voice 11: to apply um because to be competitive for those funding calls having the land secured and the

[0:54:57] Voice 11: rezoning in place is really important um but that being said um the society has been successful in

[0:55:03] Voice 11: a range of redevelopment funding opportunities through chc through the federation of canadian

[0:55:08] Voice 11: municipalities and several partnerships including one with gigards on galliano island through the

[0:55:14] Voice 11: community housing transformation fund to build capacity in the sector um so on the uh the next

[0:55:23] Voice 11: page of the presentation which is a flow chart um i just wanted to clarify uh the timing of the

[0:55:29] Voice 11: housing agreement um i i hope that everyone uh has an understanding of the affordability

[0:55:36] Voice 11: especially that we're proposing that would be included in the housing agreement um but because

[0:55:41] Voice 11: of the unique situation here where a third party is donating the land to the society and that third

[0:55:46] Voice 11: party um we prefer for them not to sign the housing agreement we've proposed um sort of a timing and

[0:55:52] Voice 11: a structure so that they don't have to sign the housing agreement but the housing agreement would

[0:55:57] Voice 11: be finalized and attached to the covenant prior to bylaw adoption. So in that flowchart during

[0:56:04] Voice 11: this process that we're in right now we work on the housing agreement and have something finalized

[0:56:09] Voice 11: prior to going to public hearing. I think that's my understanding of the preference of the process

[0:56:14] Voice 11: so that the public can see the housing agreement see what's included and comment on it.

[0:56:19] Voice 11: Assuming all things go well the housing agreement would be attached to the section 219 covenant

[0:56:24] Voice 11: and there would be a clause on there saying something like the housing agreement must be

[0:56:28] Voice 11: signed before any development occurs on the site after subdivision this would continue through the

[0:56:36] Voice 11: process which includes the referral to the executive committee and to the minister's office

[0:56:39] Voice 11: if all goes well then the covenant and any legal instruments so in this case the covenant only

[0:56:45] Voice 11: would be registered on title so the housing agreement would be in a final form attached to

[0:56:50] Voice 11: the covenant but not signed um at that time there would be a bylaw adoption and the society could

[0:56:56] Voice 11: proceed with the subdivision process which is through the ministry of transportation and

[0:56:59] Voice 11: infrastructure with a different jurisdiction if that was all successful and the property was

[0:57:06] Voice 11: divided at that time that's when the housing society would actually take possession of the land

[0:57:10] Voice 11: and at that time they would sign the housing agreement and that would be registered on title

[0:57:14] Voice 11: So there would be no changes to the housing agreement after, basically after third reading or whatever comes out of third reading in the public hearing.

[0:57:24] Voice 11: It would all be finalized, but just not fully signed and adopted until subdivision and possession is given to the society.

[0:57:32] Voice 11: And our hope and our understanding of what we propose is that it wouldn't actually delay bylaw adoption.

[0:57:38] Voice 11: how we propose that we hope that the bylaws for the rezoning could be adopted and the other

[0:57:45] Voice 11: agreement the covenant could be registered on title um it's basically all finalized but it

[0:57:51] Voice 11: just avoids that third party having to sign on um the other thing that i wanted to touch on um

[0:57:57] Voice 11: that uh was referenced in the society letter um with the covenant is that there has unfortunately

[0:58:05] Voice 11: been a slight change of circumstances with the third party donating the land a change in

[0:58:10] Voice 11: circumstances in health and family are taking over management of the estate and currently what's been

[0:58:18] Voice 11: proposed is a clause in the covenant that the second lot that's to be created lot two which

[0:58:26] Voice 11: would remain in the possession of the third party who's donating the land cannot be developed until

[0:58:30] Voice 11: until the housing, the affordable housing on lot three is completed, constructed and occupied.

[0:58:37] Voice 11: Because of some of the uncertainty around the family situation, they've requested that we request to the LTC to have some kind of sunset clause on this.

[0:58:46] Voice 11: Because once they donate the land, once that subdivision is complete, they have no control and no influence over the housing that's going to be built.

[0:58:55] Voice 11: They've contributed their amenity, which is the land, which is zoned for the housing.

[0:59:01] Voice 11: And then it's beyond their control what happens after that.

[0:59:04] Voice 11: So we've included in our latest draft of the covenant, which we provided to staff and LDC,

[0:59:11] Voice 11: that there would be a five-year sunset clause where if circumstances arise that the property

[0:59:16] Voice 11: lot three was not able to be developed in that time, that that restriction would drop

[0:59:22] Voice 11: and the family would be able to develop on lot two.

[0:59:27] Voice 11: and so i just wanted to really clarify that that request came from um the powers of attorney for

[0:59:33] Voice 11: the current landowner um we're open to discussion um we'd like to hear the trustee's thoughts on

[0:59:40] Voice 11: that if they're open to it um and we also want to stress that um any decisions moving forward

[0:59:46] Voice 11: we have to confer with those powers of attorney um and so we ask that there would be no no final

[0:59:53] Voice 11: decisions made today but a discussion would be useful for our purposes so that we can go back to

[0:59:58] Voice 11: the attorneys and decide what

[1:00:00] Voice 11: next steps are based on what we hear from you today so those are the the things that i wanted

[1:00:05] Voice 11: to clarify i'm happy to answer questions about those as well but i did just want to close by

[1:00:10] Voice 11: reminding everybody that the purpose of this project is to provide affordable housing for

[1:00:15] Voice 11: folks on main island as we all know the housing crisis will reach new peaks

[1:00:20] Voice 11: in all communities

[1:00:21] Voice 11: across this need and the faster this project can be approved on the rezoning front the more the

[1:00:29] Voice 11: the stronger the applications will be to funders such as CMHC and BC Housing.

[1:00:34] Voice 11: In the time this main island housing society is formed,

[1:00:38] Voice 11: they have a waiting list with at least 29 households that would be eligible for just 10 units

[1:00:43] Voice 11: that they are desiring to provide.

[1:00:46] Voice 11: And since the start of the pandemic,

[1:00:49] Voice 11: we're aware that several households have actually left the island

[1:00:52] Voice 11: because they haven't been able to find suitable housing

[1:00:54] Voice 11: and others are living in substandard housing that don't fit their needs.

[1:00:58] Voice 11: so i just want to bring it back to that core goal of what this project is trying to do which is

[1:01:03] Voice 11: to provide housing for members of the community so thank you and i'm happy to answer any questions

[1:01:11] Voice 5: trustees i have some questions but do you want to hear from the planner first or you want to

[1:01:16] Voice 5: um i

[1:01:19] Voice 17: think probably from the planner so and

[1:01:21] Voice 5: then i do have

[1:01:22] Voice 17: some questions for

[1:01:23] Voice 5: both the applicant

[1:01:23] Voice 5: and perhaps for the planner but go ahead uh planner chat if you want to present your staff

[1:01:28] Voice 5: staff report although we've

[1:01:30] Voice 3: already yeah well I mean I think a number of things are covered so I'm

[1:01:34] Voice 3: um if there are specific things you'd like to provide some clarity on um or

[1:01:42] Voice 5: well I'll ask a few questions of clarity I just want to be clear what we're looking at here

[1:01:47] Voice 5: is um I think the draft of the of the so right now the staff has provided us with a draft housing

[1:01:56] Voice 5: agreement and a draft covenant and um one of the things that the when you get the combined

[1:02:04] Voice 5: draft housing agreement covenant from the from the applicant that's their proposal but that's

[1:02:10] Voice 5: because they want to include the um uh the provision of the uh of of the owner of the

[1:02:18] Voice 5: property not being included on the on the property is that is that the title on the

[1:02:23] Voice 5: on the agreement

[1:02:23] Voice 5: is that effectively the way

[1:02:25] Voice 5: that works i got confused as

[1:02:26] Voice 3: i was reading it it's all a bit

[1:02:28] Voice 3: confused a lot in this uh um so the the the october uh staff report provided the uh presented the the

[1:02:38] Voice 3: draft housing agreement and the draft covenant that as drafted by um our lawyer and there was

[1:02:44] Voice 3: some discussions back and forth with the uh with the um uh the housing society at that point in

[1:02:52] Voice 3: time um the previous staff report indicated some of their concerns and um um and uh there had been

[1:03:00] Voice 3: some discussion with the with legal counsel around some of their concerns and some um some

[1:03:05] Voice 3: options have been identified um and the housing society has pursued those options on two accounts

[1:03:13] Voice 3: And so what's provided in the current staff report is the drafts that they have had developed that have addressed a few things.

[1:03:26] Voice 3: So on the housing agreement, it's addressed the proposed removal of Sean Q's family name on the housing agreement.

[1:03:39] Voice 3: and that is also and that's reflected in the in the covenant that's also been provided by the

[1:03:44] Voice 3: housing society um they've also introduced a another approach to defining the um the rental

[1:03:53] Voice 3: structure which was also a few options were identified in the previous staff report in turn

[1:03:59] Voice 3: to address their concern about what was in the previous housing um uh housing agreement so they

[1:04:07] Voice 3: they have presented us with a new structure.

[1:04:09] Voice 3: So that's another sort of key thing

[1:04:11] Voice 3: in the housing agreement that was presented

[1:04:15] Voice 3: in this package which has come directly

[1:04:18] Voice 3: from the Main Island Housing Society.

[1:04:21] Voice 3: And then on the covenant side of things,

[1:04:27] Voice 3: the main changes there are,

[1:04:31] Voice 3: as indicated by Eleni,

[1:04:34] Voice 3: are the uh the clause which would essentially add the housing agreement to the government covenant

[1:04:39] Voice 3: so that's a process that we need to discuss that the ltc would need to discuss and decide

[1:04:44] Voice 3: how they like to proceed there if they if they want to support that direction or if they'd like

[1:04:49] Voice 3: to go support the direction that was previously um previously supported by staff um and the the

[1:04:58] Voice 3: other the other key piece on um on that covenant is uh is as when he had pointed out um the the

[1:05:07] Voice 3: placing a time limit on basically the the the freezing of development on lot two um so as they

[1:05:16] Voice 3: propose um if if uh if there's no development on on the land that's being zoned for affordable

[1:05:26] Voice 3: more housing than their uh their coverage is uh identifying that that lots you can then proceed

[1:05:34] Voice 3: to be built on um there are i would also identify in both of the in both the housing agreement and

[1:05:42] Voice 3: the covenant that were provided to us by the housing society there are a number of other

[1:05:46] Voice 3: uh changes that have been made and they've all been noted on the drafts that you were

[1:05:51] Voice 3: were provided with and noted in the staff report um i i've highlighted the key pieces that i think

[1:05:57] Voice 3: we need some clear decision making on and it would be my and if there are if there are other

[1:06:04] Voice 3: items in the in those those other areas that uh jump out to um just at this point um suggest you

[1:06:12] Voice 3: identify them other otherwise um you know following this conversation uh to legal counsel

[1:06:19] Voice 3: whenever we arrive including you know those cases that that were

[1:06:25] Voice 17: but

[1:06:26] Voice 16: i

[1:06:30] Voice 5: have two technical type questions i wanted to ask before i turn to the trustees

[1:06:35] Voice 5: for those i'm sorry to sort of take them because it might be helpful first of all do we have any

[1:06:39] Voice 5: formal um notification that the housing society can speak on behalf of the landowner and their

[1:06:50] Voice 5: well people will have the power of attorney we

[1:06:52] Voice 16: do yeah we do yeah okay

[1:06:53] Voice 5: because there was some

[1:06:54] Voice 5: confusion about that about a year ago yeah um and i wanted to be sure that we we had that formally

[1:07:00] Voice 5: that they are at edom so and i'm not i'm not discounting what we're being told i just want

[1:07:08] Voice 5: to make sure we have that one second thing is is the some of the changes to the um am i correct

[1:07:15] Voice 5: that some of the changes neither the changes to the housing agreement nor the the section 219

[1:07:20] Voice 5: covenant have been sent through our lawyers the

[1:07:23] Voice 3: trust lawyers they have not yet so um like from a

[1:07:27] Voice 3: you know uh efficiency uh point of view um i think uh uh it's important for trustees to to decide um

[1:07:36] Voice 3: what they're willing to support from those before we move it through legal counsel

[1:07:42] Voice 16: sorry

[1:07:42] Voice 5: i've sort of taken questions from trustees i

[1:07:46] Voice 17: don't really have any questions um

[1:07:50] Voice 17: but i do think the whole point of this process is to actually get built housing and because

[1:07:56] Voice 17: the donor of the land um only wants wants us to limit their responsibility for five years

[1:08:04] Voice 17: but if the housing never gets built the owner of the land the family um will benefit from that

[1:08:12] Voice 17: third lot that they're getting and we may have no way of ensuring that we end up with the benefit

[1:08:19] Voice 17: of the housing like to me that it's time it's the two have to go together and uh i so i i i don't i

[1:08:28] Voice 17: don't agree with that i don't think that i think the community if in five years um saw that the

[1:08:34] Voice 17: land was still sitting and developed but meanwhile there was two parcels for sale that the owner

[1:08:39] Voice 17: benefited from i can't agree to that change and then my other concern sort of tied into all of

[1:08:47] Voice 17: that is like long term what happens because we already have properties zoned for high density

[1:08:54] Voice 17: city not not affordable housing but high density senior senior friendly that have never been

[1:09:00] Voice 17: developed so what happens at the end of this process if housing like is there ever a timeline

[1:09:07] Voice 17: or is there a backup plan for main island housing if they somewhere down the lane they just they

[1:09:14] Voice 17: can't get the funding or they can't proceed with the project concerns me that 5 10 15 years from

[1:09:20] Voice 17: now everybody's sitting in limbo so is there a way to come to an agreement too as to what the

[1:09:26] Voice 17: time frame would be on that to me that should be in here somewhere um great enthusiasm and all of

[1:09:32] Voice 17: that but i i kind of uh would like to know before i have to make a decision down the road here

[1:09:38] Voice 17: just what the backup plan is so a backup plan of some kind of time frame but also the expectation

[1:09:44] Voice 17: that the housing definitely is tied to a lot different if the McHugh family had said here

[1:09:49] Voice 17: take that half and I'll keep my half but they haven't they've asked for a lot and a lot is

[1:09:54] Voice 17: worth a lot of money in today's market so it's not really a question I think I understand most

[1:10:02] Voice 17: but

[1:10:02] Voice 12: I can follow up on that it's basically speaking like I think to to satisfy what

[1:10:09] Voice 12: of trustee dodge to say is that a sunset clause on block two which is the additional lot that

[1:10:15] Voice 12: the family is getting is tied to a sunset clause on lot three saying so if in five years time

[1:10:23] Voice 12: it's not developed for housing then if they want a sunset cause in their lot then there's a reversion

[1:10:29] Voice 12: back so it if it's not used for housing it could go down trust and servicing or something

[1:10:35] Voice 12: um there has to be a community that lock two is being granted to the family for an amenity

[1:10:44] Voice 12: to the community so if if amenity a can't be constructed within five years well then it's

[1:10:50] Voice 12: gonna have to be amenity and then you have the right to develop a lot number two because

[1:10:57] Voice 12: they're conjoined and so if the family wants this five-year timeline there has to be a like they

[1:11:04] Voice 12: have to you're uniquely tied um so that's something about if somehow that all has to

[1:11:13] Voice 12: jive together yeah

[1:11:14] Voice 17: so however the lawyers could put together a proposal but i think they expressed

[1:11:20] Voice 17: as well i don't know about the dates or the actual number of the time but i do think the two have to

[1:11:25] Voice 17: go together as a package yeah yeah

[1:11:27] Voice 12: okay so it would just be unreasonable to grant development

[1:11:31] Voice 12: of the amenity or whether they're requiring this advancement because it's an amenity that

[1:11:38] Voice 12: we don't get so there has to be there has to be a way there's a parallel path and if the family

[1:11:45] Voice 12: is saying they want the five-year parallel path well let's say five-year parallel path

[1:11:51] Voice 12: um my other sort of interesting concern was um based on some observation of trustee dodds

[1:11:59] Voice 12: last year of the perk holes on the property where they were full of water in September.

[1:12:07] Voice 12: So I look at these retention ponds, which have moved and seem to have gotten smaller.

[1:12:15] Voice 12: If the perk holes were full in September, and this is a water expert, I don't expect anybody

[1:12:21] Voice 12: to answer this, but if they were full in September, why wouldn't these water retention ponds,

[1:12:26] Voice 12: i.e. the surge capacity, also be full?

[1:12:30] Voice 12: so like surge capacity means something lower and then you get the surge or something and it

[1:12:35] Voice 12: has the capability but if the surface water is right at the surface then are these retention

[1:12:42] Voice 12: pods not going to be full i.e there's no search capacity i think that's a question for the

[1:12:48] Voice 13: applicant they

[1:12:49] Voice 16: should have an opportunity yeah we have the

[1:12:53] Voice 7: stormwater design we've gotten an email

[1:12:55] Voice 7: short-term search capacity so you can have a situation as we did last fall where the land

[1:13:05] Voice 7: is essentially it is it is in that case not as the as it exists right now that plan is not doing

[1:13:14] Voice 7: anything for the neighbors to the north. It's basically to be a parking lot. But if you start

[1:13:22] Voice 7: putting micro-topographies in ponds, those ponds fill up and drain. So if it's been raining for

[1:13:30] Voice 7: the last two weeks and there's a cessation in the rain, it drains. Any time it's drained,

[1:13:37] Voice 7: you have search capacity created by that topography, by those ponds. Which specifically

[1:13:42] Voice 7: specifically with the rainwater that's in the roof of the buildings,

[1:13:46] Voice 7: it would go into a retention area.

[1:13:48] Voice 7: That retention area would drain slowly over the next time.

[1:13:51] Voice 7: The next surge of rain that comes along fills it back up.

[1:13:55] Voice 7: So you have this damping capacity.

[1:13:58] Voice 7: When everything is full, it's true.

[1:14:00] Voice 7: Everything is full.

[1:14:01] Voice 7: That's the way it is right now.

[1:14:04] Voice 7: The design goal

[1:14:05] Voice 7: in a development does not make it worse.

[1:14:08] Voice 7: We're going well beyond the design goal.

[1:14:11] Voice 7: we're adding surge capacity every single pond every single damp area in there does have surge

[1:14:18] Voice 7: capacity if once it's saturated it is saturated but 99 of the time it's not saturated it takes

[1:14:27] Voice 7: water it slows and that's the nature of the force if we make it more conducive to go big cedars on

[1:14:33] Voice 7: the bottom third of that block the bottom half of that block there will be actually an update

[1:14:38] Voice 7: capacity that's going to be built by virtue of the regeneration of that so over the long term this

[1:14:46] Voice 7: development with the remediation plan will make this more resilient to storm water than it is today

[1:14:54] Voice 17: questions for following up on that so like during the construction phase so would the remediation

[1:15:00] Voice 17: happen before your construction like thinking of it i'm thinking of anson road and so we all

[1:15:05] Voice 17: know what happens with massive and also does the water study which i somehow missed and haven't

[1:15:11] Voice 17: read because it takes into account the amount of water coming out of the well and going through the

[1:15:15] Voice 17: toilets so

[1:15:16] Voice 13: that's additional water because we're talking about that

[1:15:18] Voice 13: that's part of the

[1:15:19] Voice 17: part of it

[1:15:20] Voice 13: okay

[1:15:20] Voice 17: so but what is the plan during construction um

[1:15:25] Voice 7: the staging of the construction the wetland

[1:15:28] Voice 7: mediation is going to be done while the equipment is on the site so fundamentally it's going to be

[1:15:32] Voice 7: occurring around the time where construction footings are being dug and the major site works

[1:15:38] Voice 7: are being prepared what the engineers propose is that there's strong wattle dams and straw barriers

[1:15:44] Voice 7: there are well-accepted engineering solutions to make sure that i guess

[1:15:48] Voice 17: i just have to ask

[1:15:49] Voice 17: the what if it doesn't work is there like in terms of insurance like like if we're telling

[1:15:54] Voice 17: you know if there was a major overflow because i'm going back to anson road and it was engineered

[1:15:59] Voice 17: and obviously not well engineered.

[1:16:01] Voice 17: And now it's all fixed.

[1:16:03] Voice 17: So is there any sort of liability insurance?

[1:16:07] Voice 17: I mean, it all sounds good.

[1:16:09] Voice 7: But I have-

[1:16:10] Voice 7: I think the level of detail

[1:16:11] Voice 7: at a preliminary design stage for rezoning

[1:16:14] Voice 7: is more than you can expect anybody to have.

[1:16:17] Voice 7: Fair

[1:16:17] Voice 17: enough, fair enough.

[1:16:18] Voice 17: But that's a question that is a big concern

[1:16:21] Voice 17: having seen the volume of water

[1:16:23] Voice 17: under the current circumstances.

[1:16:25] Voice 17: Okay, thank you.

[1:16:26] Voice 5: i did find the the yeah i i also missed it when

[1:16:30] Voice 17: it came through and it

[1:16:31] Voice 5: came through at the end

[1:16:32] Voice 5: of april there was the water management plan and and um and i read it last night it does talk about

[1:16:39] Voice 5: some well it talks about some of the questions you talk about you may

[1:16:42] Voice 5: have more once you read

[1:16:43] Voice 5: it but it talks about what what they're going to do to try to remediate during the construction

[1:16:48] Voice 5: phase um and as well as uh you know wellhead protection stormwater management and etc etc

[1:16:55] Voice 5: etc etc and um anyway

[1:16:57] Voice 17: and

[1:16:58] Voice 5: i guess one of my one of my observations is that some i didn't you know

[1:17:02] Voice 5: i'm not a water we've had both a hydrologist and hydrogeologist reports on this and i found out

[1:17:10] Voice 5: they're different um uh but that the water flow is one of the we're working on something similar

[1:17:16] Voice 5: on my island and one of the things i found out is or i was told i hope it's true is if you slow

[1:17:23] Voice 5: the water down it has a chance to sink into the ground um

[1:17:27] Voice 5: and one of the bigger problems is when

[1:17:30] Voice 5: it's flowing constantly and

[1:17:32] Voice 5: so you know there are ways you can flow slow the water down so that's

[1:17:37] Voice 5: one of the things that i think about about how you address the issue that trustee maude brought up

[1:17:42] Voice 5: which is if everything's full and but i think the reality is i think thank you for your honesty

[1:17:47] Voice 5: if everything's full everything's full um and uh what do you do then like we're all faced with that

[1:17:54] Voice 5: when we have those big water events uh such as november yes uh when a lake recreated itself out

[1:18:04] Voice 5: in the valley thousands

[1:18:06] Voice 7: of people that so if something has to be done for truly extreme events

[1:18:11] Voice 7: and that's something that the collective neighborhood animal trust even can address

[1:18:15] Voice 7: with Mogi and culvering on the highway.

[1:18:18] Voice 7: The fact that the drainage from 30 acres is directed under highway

[1:18:22] Voice 7: and then just set free.

[1:18:23] Voice 7: That's how the road was built.

[1:18:26] Voice 7: That's an issue, but it's not going to change whether or not this

[1:18:30] Voice 7: development is done.

[1:18:31] Voice 17: I keep trying to separate the two.

[1:18:34] Voice 17: I know the water that you currently have is not your water.

[1:18:37] Voice 17: It's the neighbor's water.

[1:18:39] Voice 5: Across the highway.

[1:18:40] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:18:40] Voice 17: Across from the road.

[1:18:41] Voice 17: I understand that.

[1:18:42] Voice 17: So

[1:18:42] Voice 5: I have a couple of questions and I'd like to maybe before we move on to another issue, let's let's see if the planner has a response to.

[1:18:51] Voice 5: I heard both of you say I'm just trying to trying to capture it so that we know it is you both said, OK, eventually, if this wasn't successful, there'd be three lots.

[1:19:05] Voice 5: And frankly, when this started a couple of years ago, one point looked like there were going to be two.

[1:19:10] Voice 5: and then we became clear there were going to be three and then there was some indication that the

[1:19:14] Voice 5: second lot would be eventually sold and don't money donated but now there's a clear that the

[1:19:20] Voice 5: idea is the second lot would become the owners of the current landowner and that's the that's

[1:19:26] Voice 5: the proposal um and reserve got two things going on here that you know there's possibility

[1:19:34] Voice 5: possibility the amenity might be a third lot that's zoned for affordable housing

[1:19:42] Voice 5: but i know you guys have a history of things not getting built uh the other amenity and what i'm

[1:19:48] Voice 5: hearing from if that's not built then there might be some some other amenity that would be more

[1:19:55] Voice 5: appropriate for that um and i don't know how you do that and do you have any thoughts around do

[1:20:01] Voice 5: understand that i think you understand the issue yeah yeah if

[1:20:04] Voice 5: there's going to be a second lot

[1:20:06] Voice 5: and therefore a double

[1:20:09] Voice 5: density plus whatever

[1:20:10] Voice 5: the density is for the for the if this is ever built

[1:20:15] Voice 5: then you know what's the what's the quid pro quo if the housing yeah doesn't ever they can't build

[1:20:21] Voice 5: yeah

[1:20:21] Voice 3: yeah and we've already been through um the discussion around is the amenity the zoning or

[1:20:29] Voice 3: was the amenity to the housing and we did go through our lawyer uh around what which could

[1:20:36] Voice 3: be defined with it could the zoning be defined and i think what what came up was essentially

[1:20:41] Voice 3: that's a political decision how it's written in the ocp uh it's not not clearly

[1:20:47] Voice 3: it's not

[1:20:48] Voice 3: clearly different so um and so what i'm hearing is that the trustees uh from the trustee's point

[1:20:57] Voice 3: of view the housing is the amenity and if the housing isn't built then what is the amenity

[1:21:04] Voice 3: after that if the zoning is not the amenity then could the amenity be conservation right so

[1:21:16] Voice 3: that I think that how that would how that would happen is definitely something that

[1:21:23] Voice 3: we would have to ask the lawyer um because i think it you know it may be it may be easy

[1:21:29] Voice 3: it may be complicated but um but that's certainly um something that we can um we can we can ask and

[1:21:35] Voice 3: and uh but but you're but i'm i'm understanding what the interest is so we can we can explore

[1:21:41] Voice 3: that what the tool would be to um to address that okay

[1:21:46] Voice 5: and i think it's fair at this point

[1:21:47] Voice 5: to turn the applicant and see if they have any commentary related to that yeah

[1:21:50] Voice 11: thank you um and

[1:21:52] Voice 11: I understand the position that you consider the housing the amenity and then an alternative would

[1:21:58] Voice 11: be to have a second sort of back of amenity but I would point out that with the covenant on the

[1:22:02] Voice 11: land and the associated housing agreement that land is totally locked up the only thing that

[1:22:07] Voice 11: will be able to be built there is affordable housing it's really tightly controlled and so

[1:22:12] Voice 11: if for some reason the housing is not able to be developed that land is just going to sit there

[1:22:17] Voice 11: as forest land and land is a scarce resource especially on the island and the challenge of

[1:22:26] Voice 11: finding land that you can build affordable housing on is challenging rezoning is challenging

[1:22:31] Voice 11: so let's just say worst case scenario main island is not able to build in the next five years

[1:22:37] Voice 11: there might be another organization that can come in and construct that in a longer time frame

[1:22:42] Voice 11: I don't think that there's necessarily a harm in having that land sit undeveloped until the

[1:22:47] Voice 11: circumstances are right that somebody can come in and develop it and as you can see it's a long

[1:22:53] Voice 11: process to rezone land there's a lot of risk and there's a lot of money involved so again just

[1:22:58] Voice 11: having land that's already zoned and ready to go is a huge asset whether it's to main island

[1:23:03] Voice 11: housing society or to another organization with a mandate to build housing without that zoning in

[1:23:10] Voice 11: place um the the reality of having a portable housing gets pushed a lot farther down the line

[1:23:16] Voice 11: because another site would have to be resolved yeah

[1:23:20] Voice 17: and i'm thinking of a longer time frame too

[1:23:23] Voice 17: i'm not thinking of five years because i know that this whole process is going to be a much

[1:23:28] Voice 17: longer process before you actually can get shovels in the ground but it's still always in the back

[1:23:33] Voice 17: certainly in my mind in terms of what the what-ifs and and i think we need to know the what-ifs and

[1:23:39] Voice 17: what possible backups it would be to go back to the community and say that we're already jumping

[1:23:46] Voice 17: into the you know first reading rezoning process but um to be able to say you know if at the end

[1:23:52] Voice 17: of the day um the local trust committee can choose of course to down zone at any time but also the

[1:23:59] Voice 17: community does need to know that it's at least being considered the what if so i think we have

[1:24:04] Voice 17: an obligation to do that but i hear what you're saying for sure and we should we should get a

[1:24:10] Voice 17: legal opinion or part of the like that because it's it's ties up that lot too as well so that's

[1:24:16] Voice 17: the other side of it i mean we see i see the housing as the amenity the housing five ten

[1:24:23] Voice 17: years from now is not built that leaves lot two in limbo two for the owners of that property so

[1:24:28] Voice 17: So it's a bit of a mix one way or the other.

[1:24:34] Voice 14: Go ahead.

[1:24:35] Voice 14: I'd like to just offer something to this.

[1:24:37] Voice 14: Once the subdivision happens and the title gets transferred to the Main Island Housing Society,

[1:24:43] Voice 14: which is a charity, which is only our purpose is to reduce poverty by creating affordable housing on Main Island.

[1:24:51] Voice 14: We have an obligation that if this housing society doesn't, isn't able to continue,

[1:24:57] Voice 14: you then the assets will be dispersed to a similar agency that can provide housing on this on this lot

[1:25:07] Voice 14: so i in my mind and then there is the fact of the ownership of the property and the ownership of the

[1:25:14] Voice 14: well

[1:25:14] Voice 16: and

[1:25:15] Voice 14: we would like to maintain that for the community and not have it transferred into parkland

[1:25:21] Voice 14: or something else it needs to be maintained as community housing and um you know we're all

[1:25:28] Voice 14: getting older during this process but certainly there are options

[1:25:31] Voice 14: there are options out there

[1:25:33] Voice 14: and and i think really we're talking black and white here i think really the situation is that

[1:25:40] Voice 14: perhaps in five years if there's no occupancy permit which is how it's stated in the covenant

[1:25:46] Voice 14: it right now um and it may be that we're just talking about a gray area where the building

[1:25:55] Voice 14: is going on but it's not yet at occupancy and that also needs to be considered yeah

[1:26:01] Voice 5: but if we

[1:26:02] Voice 5: got to that point the reality is you'd come to the local trust committee and

[1:26:06] Voice 5: say give us another six

[1:26:08] Voice 5: months eight months

[1:26:08] Voice 5: 10 months 12 months give us an extension we'd come to an agreement if we saw

[1:26:12] Voice 5: that that was coming to fruition yeah i think that i think the bigger issue is what do we do

[1:26:17] Voice 5: if not five years seven years eight years it's just sitting there

[1:26:21] Voice 5: and nobody's been

[1:26:22] Voice 5: well

[1:26:23] Voice 16: somebody

[1:26:24] Voice 7: said are you an emergency responder

[1:26:26] Voice 7: have her alert yet or something.

[1:26:32] Voice 7: I didn't.

[1:26:36] Voice 16: Go

[1:26:37] Voice 7: ahead and start.

[1:26:38] Voice 7: I just didn't want to add the I appreciate your view that the

[1:26:45] Voice 7: housing itself is the amenity. But whether one titles that an

[1:26:49] Voice 7: amenity or not, there's a value in the community and having his

[1:26:53] Voice 7: own property dedicated to this purpose. We've never been in a

[1:26:57] Voice 7: time when there's been a higher level of attention at all levels of government doesn't need for

[1:27:01] Voice 7: affordable housing if this plan can get to the point where it's going it stands a very good

[1:27:07] Voice 7: chance of attracting funding to put house upon it without this so as we're balancing all the

[1:27:15] Voice 7: risks up here what could or might not happen by the same year i think you also have to weigh the

[1:27:21] Voice 7: risk of it not happening at all because of the overhead involving all of the discussions in the

[1:27:26] Voice 7: back in the forest and then maybe this and then maybe that that it may be time just to move forward

[1:27:31] Voice 7: as a community take some risk for the potential benefit of having this done

[1:27:39] Voice 7: we can't tie ourselves up on on the the small details of what might happen that's not exactly

[1:27:45] Voice 7: right when there's something there to be grasped which is a vision of something that could happen

[1:27:51] Voice 7: and if we all put our focus and we want to make it happen yeah

[1:27:58] Voice 5: so i like i hear you and i don't i

[1:28:01] Voice 5: don't know what if you ever going to have a commentary a discussion i think this we have

[1:28:05] Voice 5: lots of time today so

[1:28:06] Voice 4: um is

[1:28:07] Voice 5: is i mean here's what's being proposed there's a piece of property

[1:28:13] Voice 5: that's 10 acres that's intact and has them tied into one house so what's being proposed is if i

[1:28:21] Voice 5: I give you a third of my property I'll get it I'll get it and I don't want to be too blunt about this

[1:28:28] Voice 5: and I'm not trying to be derogatory because it's there's some there's some very much a a a sense of

[1:28:34] Voice 5: generosity here but I'll give you a third of my property and I get an extra density another with

[1:28:39] Voice 5: another lot which is pretty valuable three and a half acre whatever it turns out to be although

[1:28:46] Voice 5: it does have some restrictions so at some point you know and that changes the ocp and what was

[1:28:54] Voice 5: envisioned in terms of of the zoning for all of that all of which is well and good and so

[1:28:59] Voice 5: as we look at it we go yes everything that you said and is that what we're are we prepared to

[1:29:06] Voice 5: do that um are we prepared to agree that that's an appropriate thing to do um and i think what

[1:29:12] Voice 5: you're hearing is is if the original proposal was i'll give you three and a half acres for a park

[1:29:18] Voice 5: a conservation zone we'd be having one conversation um and but we're having a conversation

[1:29:25] Voice 5: about i'll give you a third of my property for housing development and

[1:29:29] Voice 16: i hear what you're saying

[1:29:30] Voice 5: you're saying effectively this will be if we zone it appropriately it'll be there and available

[1:29:36] Voice 5: available for when the right opportunity arises whether it's you or somebody else

[1:29:42] Voice 5: habitat yeah whoever it happens to be if it's not you um and i don't know that's that's sort

[1:29:48] Voice 5: of a decision that we have to make and i i you know it's it's not without its challenges i have

[1:29:55] Voice 5: another question and i'd actually like both the planner and the applicant i don't

[1:30:00] Voice 5: understand this issue of um or i don't understand it well enough this issue of mr the current owner

[1:30:08] Voice 5: of the property not being on the housing agreement and why that's such a big issue and why that's

[1:30:13] Voice 5: holding this whole thing up because as i read your report you're going it's no big deal he's

[1:30:19] Voice 5: on the house agreement he'll come they're on the house it'll come off they'll come off when the

[1:30:23] Voice 5: subdivision occurs there's no obligation on it and i hear the applicant saying well we'll just

[1:30:29] Voice 5: added as a we don't really don't want that and i'd like to really understand what the

[1:30:34] Voice 5: from your perspective from our perspective or the planning it's like why it's a problem to do it the

[1:30:40] Voice 5: way the applicant wants and i like to hear from the applicant as to why it's a problem to do it

[1:30:45] Voice 5: the way that you want to do it because i think we have to give you some direction around that right

[1:30:49] Voice 5: that's

[1:30:50] Voice 3: right yeah yeah there needs to be some direction around that so um um we had previously

[1:30:55] Voice 3: previously brought this up with um with a lawyer um and that's that's where it was

[1:31:00] Voice 3: made quite clear to us that really they're having the uh the current so you you have to have the

[1:31:08] Voice 3: property owners on a housing agreement that's the starting point having uh the existing property

[1:31:14] Voice 3: owners on the housing um agreement does not in this case doesn't bind them to do

[1:31:23] Voice 16: anything because

[1:31:24] Voice 3: it's really about the management of the actual built housing so there's no legal obligation

[1:31:28] Voice 3: anything like that in terms of process the switching of a name from one owner to the

[1:31:37] Voice 3: other is is fairly straightforward the the concern and this was a discussion with

[1:31:45] Voice 3: um i did discuss this with uh with the regional planning manager uh kajima

[1:31:51] Voice 3: so in terms of process i mean you essentially have to go through uh an adoption process when

[1:31:59] Voice 3: you get to that point where where the uh the housing agreement is ready to be adopted so

[1:32:05] Voice 3: that's a full process which opens the housing agreement up to potentially potential debate and

[1:32:11] Voice 3: change and and so forth so it it can potentially it could potentially hold up the process um and

[1:32:19] Voice 3: it could potentially um it potentially opens up um there would be a lack of um of uh of

[1:32:30] Voice 3: um certainty both for the ltc as as well as the housing society so it just sort of opens it up

[1:32:38] Voice 3: for that for that additional process which could which could turn into something or or maybe it

[1:32:45] Voice 3: doesn't that's not something that we know because we don't you know we don't know who who would be

[1:32:48] Voice 3: making those decisions at that point in time so

[1:32:51] Voice 5: if we look at this flow chart you're concerned

[1:32:53] Voice 5: that somewhere in here there could be some glitches that of getting it finalized that's

[1:32:58] Voice 3: and signed

[1:32:59] Voice 5: because it's simply attached to a covenant and it's not attached because the

[1:33:04] Voice 5: housing agreement has to be attached to a bylaw that's

[1:33:06] Voice 3: right it would have

[1:33:07] Voice 3: to go through a whole

[1:33:08] Voice 3: bile adoption process so it's a public comment well

[1:33:11] Voice 5: they they are attached to a bylaw so yeah so

[1:33:14] Voice 5: so that that's that's from the planning department's concern is that's the problem is is

[1:33:20] Voice 5: that you're concerned that somewhere in here either the ltc or the you don't have any certainty

[1:33:26] Voice 5: around because it could change it

[1:33:28] Voice 3: could change yeah okay

[1:33:29] Voice 5: so that's what i sort of understood

[1:33:30] Voice 5: and i'd appreciate that if the applicant can and maybe it's humans they could tell us what

[1:33:35] Voice 5: the concern is because the staff says no big deal the current landowner signs the housing agreement

[1:33:42] Voice 5: um and you say you don't want that and i like to understand why that's a problem

[1:33:50] Voice 11: yeah i don't know if um deborah dave have any history on the conversations with charles q

[1:33:54] Voice 11: but essentially it's to try and remove him from the process as much as possible and especially

[1:33:59] Voice 11: now that he has attorneys acting for him um it's just to remove them from the process as much as

[1:34:05] Voice 11: possible because the housing agreement will apply to the housing society in the end yeah um the the

[1:34:11] Voice 11: process and the adoption um that's something that we might have to have more conversations about

[1:34:15] Voice 11: because how we had proposed it and hoped that it would work was that there would be no requirement

[1:34:21] Voice 11: for further ldc or public involvement at the time of the signing that would all be it would be

[1:34:27] Voice 11: drafted and finalized during this process um and then just signed and registered on title

[1:34:33] Voice 11: um after subdivision however it sounds like from what staff is saying um that might not

[1:34:40] Voice 11: actually be accurate and it might open up another process so i think um let's

[1:34:45] Voice 5: just be clear my

[1:34:46] Voice 5: understanding is a housing agreement would be an administrative bylaw that doesn't require a public

[1:34:51] Voice 5: hearing so just so that we're all like that's my understanding um is that your understanding

[1:34:56] Voice 5: to plan a chat with it

[1:34:58] Voice 3: would still require some public process um but yeah it wouldn't be quite as

[1:35:06] Voice 3: oh

[1:35:06] Voice 5: okay i think we better get some clarity

[1:35:09] Voice 3: around that because

[1:35:09] Voice 5: i've been told it's simply

[1:35:11] Voice 5: an administrative hearing that we don't need a bylaw

[1:35:13] Voice 3: that we don't need a public hearing around

[1:35:15] Voice 3: well my understanding wasn't good but i i can okay

[1:35:18] Voice 5: anyway go ahead sorry so

[1:35:20] Voice 11: that would make

[1:35:21] Voice 11: make a big difference I think for our perspective and for the McHugh family whether or not it would

[1:35:27] Voice 11: have to go through another public process that changes the risk for which option that we take

[1:35:32] Voice 11: and I would just add that because we're dealing sort of indirectly with the attorneys at this

[1:35:39] Voice 11: time for the property any final decisions we probably ask to delay as far as direction for

[1:35:46] Voice 11: which way we go today so that we can go back to the attorneys explain the options on the table

[1:35:50] Voice 11: table which direction maybe the trustees are meaning um but we

[1:35:54] Voice 11: just want to make sure we can

[1:35:55] Voice 11: communicate that with them um because it sounds like there's a little bit of uncertainty okay

[1:36:00] Voice 5: can i get some clarification but something else you used the phrase attorneys in the letter

[1:36:04] Voice 5: we don't have attorneys again we have lawyers the power

[1:36:08] Voice 5: so when you say our attorneys you're

[1:36:11] Voice 5: talking about the power people that hold the power of attorney okay thanks i just want to be clear

[1:36:15] Voice 5: because i was reading it going are they all in new york or connecticut or something because

[1:36:21] Voice 5: so you're talking about the people that hold the power of attorney right which is his family i

[1:36:25] Voice 5: think that which is fun thanks i understand a lot um and okay so for you it's a matter of simplicity

[1:36:32] Voice 5: being able to not have to involve them in that process of negotiating and getting them to sign

[1:36:39] Voice 5: and that's basically what it is yeah right

[1:36:42] Voice 11: i would

[1:36:47] Voice 7: just say that i believe that there is risk as there's a parent or real of anybody

[1:36:53] Voice 7: looking at that amount of verbiage it's tacked onto a title so from the perspective of that

[1:37:00] Voice 7: family their the clarity of their ownership is is a lot higher and the simplicity of their

[1:37:06] Voice 7: deed is much better than if it has this long and admittedly quite complicated document

[1:37:13] Voice 7: you may be able to go through that with a constitutional lawyer and say in fact you're

[1:37:18] Voice 7: having a risk but my guess is that most lawyers you hand that to would say don't sign and that's

[1:37:24] Voice 7: what why the simplicity of keeping the housing agreement with the housing society appeals to

[1:37:31] Voice 7: to both us and to you in a sense.

[1:37:36] Voice 7: It's a division of power that makes sense,

[1:37:38] Voice 7: whereas blurring it across all of those parties

[1:37:42] Voice 7: makes it more difficult to understand

[1:37:43] Voice 7: and to be comfortable with it.

[1:37:45] Voice 7: So simplicity has a purpose too.

[1:37:48] Voice 7: If we can find a way to administratively,

[1:37:54] Voice 7: with an administrative order of simplicity at the end

[1:37:59] Voice 7: to attach the housing agreement,

[1:38:01] Voice 7: that would be the idea of that can't be done and open to the can of worms we should go back to the

[1:38:07] Voice 7: to the family and see that's the case well

[1:38:10] Voice 3: i think i think ultimately we're on the same page

[1:38:12] Voice 3: around simplicity and so um um you know we can explore we can explore that a little bit

[1:38:19] Voice 3: more and uh make sure we get to the place that is the cleanest um what approach because really

[1:38:26] Voice 3: this is this is more of a process related question um it doesn't really uh deal with the

[1:38:32] Voice 3: the actual specifics of the reason sorry

[1:38:39] Voice 5: i've done a lot of the questions but i did have a

[1:38:41] Voice 5: lot more questions trustee mod or dog oh

[1:38:43] Voice 12: well my other question was this previous meetings

[1:38:48] Voice 12: that i've asked about the wastewater management uh report um we've got lots and lots about water

[1:38:55] Voice 12: management but nothing but wastewater and i thought we had an assurance that something was

[1:39:00] Voice 12: going to be done on that um and i haven't seen anything yet because something has been done okay

[1:39:06] Voice 7: there was a certified um byd

[1:39:11] Voice 7: uh

[1:39:12] Voice 14: it was a year and a half ago

[1:39:15] Voice 14: an engineer wastewater specialist provided us with a feasibility report but

[1:39:24] Voice 12: i'm not talking

[1:39:25] Voice 12: about a management report that's like with the water it's the how is the wastewater going to

[1:39:29] Voice 12: be managed who's going to be operating it how is it going to be reviewed how is it going to

[1:39:33] Voice 12: like what's good what staffing protocols may be taking place blah blah blah uh because like i

[1:39:38] Voice 12: said we have in in our documentation all about water management i want to see that level of

[1:39:44] Voice 12: information and undertaking going forward for wastewater so the level of undertaking

[1:39:54] Voice 7: this is a preliminary design we don't have the window for reading right now i don't think the

[1:40:00] Voice 7: level of engineering and extra expense that you're asking for is appropriate but i guess

[1:40:05] Voice 7: we're we were providing more than we've asked with respect to water and in particular responding to

[1:40:14] Voice 7: the concerns from the rainwater that they experienced the last fall so we've gone above

[1:40:19] Voice 7: and beyond what would normally be needed at this stage in the proposal there's a lot of

[1:40:25] Voice 7: detail design and ensuring it costs money from here on in without even first reading we don't

[1:40:32] Voice 7: we're trying to get money to but you're

[1:40:34] Voice 17: telling us something that we need to

[1:40:36] Voice 7: know so the detail

[1:40:37] Voice 7: design will be coming and

[1:40:38] Voice 17: more can be done as

[1:40:39] Voice 7: we move through the process but at this stage

[1:40:41] Voice 7: we don't even know yeah

[1:40:43] Voice 12: because that's what that was simply my statement my question is that i see

[1:40:48] Voice 12: a whole bunch of here about water i see nothing about waste water well

[1:40:51] Voice 5: there is there is there

[1:40:52] Voice 7: is a lot in that report about wastewater and

[1:40:55] Voice 5: there are no concerns and

[1:40:56] Voice 5: there was an assessment of

[1:40:57] Voice 5: subject feasibility earlier but not not the kind of detail you're talking about can i ask you these

[1:41:03] Voice 5: are the kinds of things you know i'm not sure the local press committees were ever designed

[1:41:08] Voice 5: to do all this but we've ended up doing all the stuff around wells and well water and around

[1:41:15] Voice 5: storm water and runoff etc mostly only in rezoning applications i might add or where they need a

[1:41:21] Voice 5: variance or something if they didn't need any of that we're not going to be getting any of this

[1:41:25] Voice 5: information um but but i guess what what i the process related to septic is fairly complicated

[1:41:32] Voice 5: and runs through the province you have to have a design it's proved by the provincial

[1:41:36] Voice 5: the provincial health authority or is it the sorry but

[1:41:44] Voice 14: it's but it's legislated through health

[1:41:47] Voice 14: yeah and they're

[1:41:48] Voice 14: and the wastewater specialists are all licensed to do this yeah

[1:41:52] Voice 5: yeah my

[1:41:52] Voice 5: recollection is this is this is one of those things that they sort of have to get it has to

[1:41:58] Voice 5: be certified and then they they they have to certify it to be on the office says yeah we're

[1:42:03] Voice 5: happy with that and

[1:42:04] Voice 7: they'll have experts that can evaluate that in the same way you know with

[1:42:08] Voice 7: respect to fresh water but

[1:42:10] Voice 14: there's no it has to it has to be done before subdivision it has to

[1:42:15] Voice 14: those plans have to come in and be approved by health the authorities yeah

[1:42:21] Voice 5: i mean this is one

[1:42:23] Voice 5: of the things that strikes me is that while we set a certain bar there's other bars that have

[1:42:27] Voice 5: cleared on other issues like like roads and water and water licensing and all sorts which are all

[1:42:34] Voice 17: things that we have not i've well i have dealt with some questions that we're asking are things

[1:42:41] Voice 17: that we need and appreciate the answer just about the septic so good answer thank you so we will get

[1:42:48] Voice 17: more information once we get to first meeting um

[1:42:51] Voice 16: i

[1:42:54] Voice 5: i i it's one of the reasons i asked about the

[1:42:56] Voice 5: a lawyer just because i saw some a bunch of languages about indemnity in in some of the

[1:43:04] Voice 5: which which struck me as if there was any question about what why we were asking to

[1:43:09] Voice 5: indemnify them being asked to indemnify the housing sector so that's the sort of question

[1:43:16] Voice 5: that our lawyers will address correct that's

[1:43:19] Voice 3: right yeah because

[1:43:19] Voice 5: i because the original draft

[1:43:20] Voice 5: had indemnities given

[1:43:22] Voice 3: to us yeah that's where that's beyond my right professional okay

[1:43:29] Voice 5: so we

[1:43:30] Voice 5: won't get into yeah i won't start talking about indemnity patients agreements so tell us again i

[1:43:39] Voice 5: don't want to conversation can continue here and trustees but it seems to me we might want to go to

[1:43:45] Voice 5: asking the planner what kind of we should see the three recommendations as i understand you've got

[1:43:50] Voice 5: three recommendations there some questions we need to answer plus there is the option to go

[1:43:55] Voice 5: back to some of the recommendations from the october report as well um i have some questions

[1:44:01] Voice 5: about the bylaw i want to raise but i haven't got to that yet um uh because uh i still wonder

[1:44:09] Voice 5: whether the definition of of what this is zoned for should refer to affordable housing as opposed

[1:44:14] Voice 5: to or community housing as opposed to just rental housing right um

[1:44:18] Voice 5: but that's not for me to decide

[1:44:20] Voice 5: so what what decisions would you like us to consider or is there some other outside the

[1:44:26] Voice 5: motions like are there specific things you'd like us to talk about

[1:44:29] Voice 3: yeah well

[1:44:30] Voice 3: i think that

[1:44:31] Voice 3: so if we just have a look at the staff report here there's a few um sort of

[1:44:37] Voice 3: things that have been pulled out there there is the new site plan so there's a question around

[1:44:43] Voice 3: around whether trustees support this new site plan,

[1:44:49] Voice 3: if this will want to continue to focus our discussions on.

[1:44:58] Voice 3: That's the question.

[1:44:59] Voice 3: If trustees

[1:44:59] Voice 3: support the new site plan,

[1:45:03] Voice 3: then we won't be referring to the old site plan anymore.

[1:45:05] Voice 3: When we talk about the project,

[1:45:08] Voice 3: we'll be referring to the new site plan.

[1:45:09] Voice 3: And again, there probably will be some questions

[1:45:11] Voice 3: related to that site plan.

[1:45:15] Voice 5: i i can only speak for myself i don't know trustees either of you wish to address that

[1:45:20] Voice 5: issue of

[1:45:21] Voice 5: the site plan just

[1:45:22] Voice 17: want to say i appreciate the the rerouting of the access road

[1:45:26] Voice 17: i think it's a good compromise that she said it's taking the traffic away from the neighboring lot

[1:45:32] Voice 17: so i think the new proposed site plan is a much better proposal except for all the parking

[1:45:41] Voice 17: definitely

[1:45:42] Voice 5: trustee mod do you have any comments on the site well a

[1:45:44] Voice 12: couple things is it appears

[1:45:46] Voice 12: that the utility building now is dotted in so is it the intention not to build that initially

[1:45:51] Voice 12: no i

[1:45:53] Voice 7: think that was just some choice on the dot of course it is it is intended to be a building

[1:45:57] Voice 7: and

[1:45:57] Voice 12: the other question was is why were the water retention arms moved i guess that was for a reason

[1:46:05] Voice 12: Well, I

[1:46:06] Voice 7: like the old plan better than the new plan.

[1:46:09] Voice 7: So these are actually what was in the remediation report.

[1:46:12] Voice 7: What it appeared on previous versions was an artistic rendering from the original site plan.

[1:46:18] Voice 7: But these are the ones that were specified in the remediation report and in the correct location and orientation.

[1:46:25] Voice 7: They could be, you know, extended north-south, but Sean was concerned that this retention plan not be unlocked to,

[1:46:33] Voice 7: So I'll

[1:46:39] Voice 5: just say I want to echo what trustee Dodd said I appreciate the attempts to I went back and

[1:46:46] Voice 5: reread the ATC report from whenever it was October about about this because we asked them

[1:46:55] Voice 5: and they made some extraordinarily good they made some good points and they basically said

[1:46:59] Voice 5: the main concern they had from the neighbor to the west was probably the traffic circle and that's

[1:47:07] Voice 5: now been addressed and then there was the concern related to the neighbors to the north um and of

[1:47:15] Voice 5: course that we've talked about that a lot so i i do like this site plan uh i had the same question

[1:47:22] Voice 5: trustee maude did as to why the retention pond was moved but uh that explains it but i do i

[1:47:27] Voice 5: personally think that this addresses at least some of the concerns so okay so does that help yeah so

[1:47:36] Voice 3: um in terms of the package of of materials the location of the site plan would be in the covenant

[1:47:44] Voice 3: so the the recommendation um to um to basically uh revise the uh that the covenant the revised

[1:47:54] Voice 3: and just

[1:47:55] Voice 5: for anybody watching and and uh or here that doesn't mean that's the final decision

[1:48:02] Voice 5: related to that it's just that's our preliminary reaction isn't that that my plan is is uh our

[1:48:08] Voice 5: we would give the the preliminary thumbs up as being something that we appreciate better than

[1:48:16] Voice 5: previous ones

[1:48:17] Voice 3: exactly yes when i provide you with the next draft of the covenant

[1:48:21] Voice 3: the new section okay so

[1:48:24] Voice 3: that's one of the recommended uh recommendations the other

[1:48:28] Voice 3: recommendation um so there have been a previous recommendation to um draft the covenant and

[1:48:33] Voice 3: and the recommendation to adopt it prior to the zoning um was in the october um report so that's

[1:48:42] Voice 3: the other recommendation so once that's adopted then we've already had the um the resolution to

[1:48:49] Voice 3: to adopt the housing agreement prior to rezoning.

[1:48:54] Voice 3: So this is just, again,

[1:48:57] Voice 3: sort of a process-related recommendation,

[1:49:01] Voice 3: so that the bylaws are all moving

[1:49:04] Voice 3: and the covenants are moving together.

[1:49:06] Voice 5: So is that what,

[1:49:08] Voice 3: is this one of the, oh,

[1:49:10] Voice 5: okay.

[1:49:11] Voice 3: Yeah, so those two things address the covenants.

[1:49:15] Voice 3: the covenant um there is a decision related to the covenant so um when i sorry

[1:49:28] Voice 5: i just want to

[1:49:29] Voice 5: do this a little bit if it's okay with you i just my anal mind wants me to

[1:49:33] Voice 5: to do this one piece at

[1:49:34] Voice 5: a time so that's recommendation number one yeah so if we're in agreement so the trustees if you're

[1:49:40] Voice 5: in agreement we could pass that right now and then go on to the next thing if they're in agreement

[1:49:44] Voice 5: unless you guys want to talk about everything that's the fact okay

[1:49:48] Voice 16: so

[1:49:49] Voice 5: does anybody want to

[1:49:50] Voice 5: move recommendation number one

[1:49:51] Voice 13: so this is the right one yes this is yes okay so

[1:49:59] Voice 5: one that just

[1:50:00] Voice 5: says a covenant under section 219 address water treatment monitoring location of development of

[1:50:05] Voice 5: on lot two and three wetland protection areas to be preserved site remediation development

[1:50:11] Voice 5: and the restrictions on lot two prior to the adoption of the resuming bylaws so basically to

[1:50:17] Voice 5: tell them to go ahead and create the 219 and we it's it's still in draft form i saw there were

[1:50:22] Voice 5: some things that that needed to be filled completely

[1:50:24] Voice 3: in draft form so again just um

[1:50:27] Voice 3: going back to what history is that the covenant the draft covenant that was presented at the in

[1:50:32] Voice 3: the october reading package that was the one essentially that the lawyer had just drafted

[1:50:38] Voice 3: there had been a little bit of back and forth but it was limited there was limited input at that

[1:50:42] Voice 3: point in time by the housing society what is currently in in today's package is what has

[1:50:50] Voice 3: come directly from the the housing society that was I mean based on the original but

[1:50:58] Voice 3: considerably changed with there are still some things that are still the same but there are

[1:51:06] Voice 3: so

[1:51:07] Voice 5: if we pass this motion are we in some way endorsing the fact that the housing agreement

[1:51:15] Voice 5: is uh is part of the section 219 covenant no

[1:51:20] Voice 3: no because it's not that would be a separate

[1:51:22] Voice 3: okay yeah

[1:51:23] Voice 3: this is just endorsing the fact that we'll have a covenant that will be okay

[1:51:27] Voice 17: and it's

[1:51:28] Voice 17: also it's also asking to actually see the complete covenant yes so that we know what we're talking

[1:51:35] Voice 17: about yeah okay so we're basically uh requesting the staff develop it yeah

[1:51:40] Voice 17: develop it okay so i

[1:51:41] Voice 17: will move that yeah yeah i'll move that main local trust committee requested a covenant under section

[1:51:46] Voice 17: two but it's i'm going to say a draft covenant this isn't that what would you argue and sorry

[1:51:52] Voice 5: sorry i have a question shouldn't we get it prior to the public hearing oh it says

[1:51:58] Voice 5: prior to the

[1:51:58] Voice 5: adoption which is

[1:51:59] Voice 3: like for 3d prior to or

[1:52:02] Voice 5: prior at least prior to third reading but

[1:52:04] Voice 3: i would put

[1:52:04] Voice 3: whatever you like yeah

[1:52:05] Voice 5: i would put it i mean i would think that

[1:52:08] Voice 5: would be a key piece of information

[1:52:10] Voice 5: to have before any public hearing and

[1:52:12] Voice 17: will it be a draft covenant yeah okay

[1:52:14] Voice 17: okay so i'll move it

[1:52:16] Voice 17: requests that a draft covenant under section 219 of the land title act be granted by the registered

[1:52:21] Voice 17: District Owners of Lot B, Section 7,

[1:52:23] Voice 17: Main Island Cowichan District Plan 27091

[1:52:27] Voice 17: to address water treatment and monitoring,

[1:52:29] Voice 17: location and development on Lot 2 and 3,

[1:52:32] Voice 17: wetland protection, areas to be preserved,

[1:52:34] Voice 17: site remediation, and development restrictions on Lot 2

[1:52:38] Voice 17: prior to, okay, prior to...

[1:52:42] Voice 5: Any public hearing?

[1:52:43] Voice 17: Any public hearing.

[1:52:45] Voice 5: On bylaws, whatever those bylaws numbers are.

[1:52:54] Voice 5: sorry it would be a public hearing

[1:52:58] Voice 15: on just say the rezoning bylaws yeah

[1:53:00] Voice 5: but we should probably

[1:53:01] Voice 5: identify

[1:53:02] Voice 15: 181 and

[1:53:05] Voice 5: 183 public

[1:53:07] Voice 17: hearing on 181 and 183 okay okay so it's asking for information

[1:53:13] Voice 17: basically yeah okay

[1:53:16] Voice 5: okay is there a seconder for that motion a second for discussion

[1:53:19] Voice 12: okay

[1:53:20] Voice 4: go ahead discussion

[1:53:21] Voice 12: well it's it's i just to my previous statement you know like in this cabinet

[1:53:28] Voice 12: is all about water supply and i really would like to see something about wastewater

[1:53:34] Voice 12: like we we're like just saying that we're being we're drilling down we're saying very specific

[1:53:39] Voice 12: about water supply but we're not talking about wastewater and that's to me a primary concern

[1:53:47] Voice 17: But normally, normally when you're doing New Zealand, it's the 219 usually is about like

[1:53:54] Voice 17: potable water, because we're talking here about water, we're talking about potable water,

[1:53:59] Voice 17: the quantities of water, but it traditionally hasn't considered what I think that your request

[1:54:04] Voice 17: about wastewater will come and will be done. But I don't know that the covenant is intended to

[1:54:11] Voice 17: include wastewater but

[1:54:13] Voice 12: i just to me it should because i think like i've worked in water

[1:54:19] Voice 12: and

[1:54:19] Voice 16: you

[1:54:20] Voice 12: know is that i can tell you water has so much oversight it's unbelievable

[1:54:28] Voice 12: it is it is it is the hot and such but keep water systems under a magnifying glass

[1:54:36] Voice 12: but i can also tell you the wastewater systems are not treated that way

[1:54:39] Voice 16: I

[1:54:40] Voice 12: operate two substantial

[1:54:42] Voice 12: water and wastewater plants

[1:54:44] Voice 12: side by side

[1:54:45] Voice 12: up close

[1:54:46] Voice 12: the water system is inspected almost monthly

[1:54:50] Voice 12: by BHEL

[1:54:50] Voice 12: the wastewater plant in 22 years

[1:54:53] Voice 12: has never been inspected once

[1:54:57] Voice 12: sorry

[1:54:57] Voice 12: I was

[1:54:58] Voice 17: just going to say

[1:54:59] Voice 17: can you add

[1:55:00] Voice 17: a second motion

[1:55:03] Voice 17: because I go back to my question

[1:55:05] Voice 17: under section 219

[1:55:07] Voice 17: do we normally

[1:55:10] Voice 17: deal with wastewater i don't think so that's so seems

[1:55:12] Voice 3: to be i i don't know any examples

[1:55:18] Voice 3: because you know some of those issues are addressed to something there will be other

[1:55:25] Voice 3: there will be other things that will have to be addressed together

[1:55:29] Voice 12: similar to water

[1:55:31] Voice 12: it's water you know when you go through subdivision any part of the process okay there's

[1:55:35] Voice 12: all kinds of oversight so

[1:55:36] Voice 5: can i ask a question i'm not opposed if you want to if you want to

[1:55:39] Voice 5: make a motion to amend this motion uh that's fine but what would that look like for you like what

[1:55:46] Voice 5: would it look like in a section 219 for a wastewater treatment

[1:55:50] Voice 12: facility literally it would

[1:55:51] Voice 12: be similar to what the water what is it is basically saying that the same type of verbiage

[1:55:58] Voice 12: for water

[1:55:59] Voice 5: for wastewater so in other words it would say something like that that there's an

[1:56:04] Voice 5: appropriate

[1:56:04] Voice 16: an

[1:56:06] Voice 5: appropriate plan because i think what it says for the for water is that there's

[1:56:10] Voice 5: an appropriate plan and that and then it goes on to say and i'm paraphrasing it goes on to say and

[1:56:15] Voice 5: it has to be installed and inspected and approved before anybody can occupy i'm i'm shortening it

[1:56:20] Voice 12: down more than that which which is like which the argument could be made that we're saying

[1:56:26] Voice 12: we don't need to have wastewater because it's all covered under other bodies the same could

[1:56:31] Voice 12: be safe for water because you know you can't even approach a subdivision without everything that's

[1:56:35] Voice 12: sitting that's stated here for water

[1:56:37] Voice 16: being

[1:56:38] Voice 12: being ticked off so either like i'm almost saying either

[1:56:42] Voice 12: the water thing shouldn't be in here or or if water isn't here then water wastewater should be

[1:56:47] Voice 12: so the

[1:56:50] Voice 5: amendment could be could it could read to address water and wastewater treatment and

[1:56:56] Voice 5: and monitoring so just add the word and

[1:56:59] Voice 17: waste the word waste water and sorry

[1:57:03] Voice 5: i see the planner

[1:57:04] Voice 5: i just

[1:57:06] Voice 3: wanted to make it correct the word draft was put in there and i don't think that it is

[1:57:10] Voice 3: appropriate oh we're actually talking about an actual so this is this is about a cut this is

[1:57:15] Voice 3: about um a covenant being we're not agreeing to the covenant yet right okay the endorsement of

[1:57:21] Voice 3: that comment okay later but this is actually okay okay so let's

[1:57:26] Voice 3: go back to that

[1:57:27] Voice 5: i think we're going

[1:57:28] Voice 5: to pick the word draft and i is that a motion to an event

[1:57:33] Voice 5: or a friendly amendment friendly

[1:57:35] Voice 17: water and wastewater so

[1:57:37] Voice 5: just to add the word and wastewater no is that going to cause yes

[1:57:41] Voice 5: i'm seeing some names it is

[1:57:45] Voice 7: another layer of investigation it's another engineering report

[1:57:50] Voice 7: court would require there's another period of delay at an inappropriate time in the proceedings

[1:57:56] Voice 7: well this this this happens later it will happen with some force that's required for subdivision

[1:58:02] Voice 7: don't put it in now please don't put it in now it's just delaying everything and it's not in

[1:58:09] Voice 7: your baby way

[1:58:10] Voice 5: all i all i would okay so what i understand is this would simply be a covenant

[1:58:15] Voice 5: that says as part of the covenant unless i'm totally misunderstanding this is if the covenant

[1:58:21] Voice 5: would be added would there be a provision added that says you would have to have an appropriate

[1:58:27] Voice 5: plan for your wastewater that's approved by the provincial yeah because what

[1:58:32] Voice 12: the water says is

[1:58:34] Voice 12: the owner shall not start construction or placement in new lava without a water plan

[1:58:39] Voice 12: submitted to the to the ltc right so it's just basically it's not saying you can't do anything

[1:58:46] Voice 12: without it it's saying you can't start construction without it

[1:58:48] Voice 7: and

[1:58:49] Voice 12: it's like there's other bodies that

[1:58:51] Voice 12: legislate that it's not but that's not

[1:58:53] Voice 16: good but then that's my exact

[1:58:55] Voice 12: point you know is there

[1:58:56] Voice 12: other

[1:58:56] Voice 16: bodies for water yeah

[1:58:58] Voice 5: so okay well let's go back and let's not have a debate here this is now

[1:59:03] Voice 5: our discussion there's a motion that's a

[1:59:05] Voice 5: friendly that's all right it's fair enough it's main island

[1:59:08] Voice 5: we're all friends here um is uh so we have a we have an amendment it it and then you support that

[1:59:17] Voice 5: friendly event yeah

[1:59:18] Voice 17: i support the friendly amendment because i i think it's yeah i think

[1:59:21] Voice 17: it's just let

[1:59:22] Voice 5: me just get the planners input on this is this going to cause a huge problem in

[1:59:28] Voice 5: terms of of drafting the covenant um

[1:59:31] Voice 3: i think uh it really depends on the rigor uh that the ltc is

[1:59:39] Voice 3: wanting to take in defining what um what addressing wastewater treatment and monitoring is um it may

[1:59:49] Voice 3: Maybe, as has been pointed out, some of that rigor will be taken by other jurisdictions.

[2:00:00] Voice 3: the subdivision process so i mean having the words in there isn't going to necessarily threaten the

[2:00:06] Voice 3: process um but what i'll come down to is whether you're happy with how the company is written

[2:00:12] Voice 17: go ahead and i want to go back to this section 219 when you do a subdivision for 219

[2:00:19] Voice 17: doesn't say you must treat your water to use this it's just a general statement so the same with the

[2:00:26] Voice 17: waste but it's not giving specifics it's just stating the fact that you need to be considering

[2:00:32] Voice 17: both so i don't think it has to be onerous it's not telling you you've got a hired engineer now

[2:00:37] Voice 17: which will may will happen further down the road obviously yeah

[2:00:41] Voice 12: because it's making

[2:00:42] Voice 17: sure that it is

[2:00:43] Voice 17: looked at because

[2:00:44] Voice 12: they're looking at the wording on water literally you can you can almost talk

[2:00:49] Voice 12: and takes the water thing and put waste water in and most of that whole process and

[2:00:54] Voice 17: those

[2:00:55] Voice 17: those things we know they happen by other groups

[2:00:58] Voice 12: yeah because it's so it's if to me it goes home

[2:01:03] Voice 12: on the other either the water should be out or wastewater should be in it's because i think you

[2:01:08] Voice 12: had an invitation to take the water down so if it's in then let's just

[2:01:14] Voice 5: cover um all right i think

[2:01:17] Voice 5: we've talked about it running enough we've heard from the applicant they don't really don't want

[2:01:20] Voice 5: us to add this into this motion but i think it's been put in and whether it was properly

[2:01:25] Voice 5: moved and seconded there was an agreement related to putting it in so i think we'll just with that

[2:01:30] Voice 5: amendment uh we'll um we'll just call the vote

[2:01:35] Voice 9: um

[2:01:35] Voice 5: and so all in favor so all vote in favor though

[2:01:39] Voice 5: i'm not convinced that's the necessary amendment but if that's what it takes to move the rest of

[2:01:44] Voice 5: been through let's do that what's the next decision we need to make uh planner

[2:01:49] Voice 17: so that you

[2:01:50] Voice 17: sorry oh okay

[2:01:53] Voice 5: right i

[2:01:54] Voice 17: move that the main island local trust committee requests that the covenant

[2:01:57] Voice 17: under section 219 of the land title act be granted by the registered by the registered owner of lot

[2:02:03] Voice 17: b section 7 main island coverage and district plan 27091 include the revised site plan identified as

[2:02:11] Voice 17: the new site plan in the may 20th 2022 staff report

[2:02:15] Voice 5: is there a second okay any discussion

[2:02:17] Voice 5: related to that okay all in favor so that passes unanimously okay so is the third the third one is

[2:02:24] Voice 5: this issue

[2:02:24] Voice 3: and i just i just wanted to just before we

[2:02:27] Voice 3: um move away from the covenant um that there

[2:02:31] Voice 3: i i think we've agreed on one two two steps with inspect well there's steps with respect

[2:02:36] Voice 3: to other things so one is the adding of the housing agreement to the covenant that's a

[2:02:40] Voice 3: procedural thing that uh i'll have further discussion with the you know island housing

[2:02:45] Voice 3: society and i think we've agreed we want the the most simplest process that will be presented at

[2:02:51] Voice 3: the next uh in the next step okay um and then uh the question of limiting the time uh one can be

[2:03:00] Voice 3: built on um so that i i took to be a request for me to explore options uh from a legal perspective

[2:03:10] Voice 3: of with respect to what you have identified as a sunset yeah to see

[2:03:16] Voice 3: what the the tool would be

[2:03:18] Voice 3: in that respect i don't think there's a decision made you

[2:03:21] Voice 5: need a motion for that

[2:03:22] Voice 5: i

[2:03:23] Voice 3: don't think i need a motion you're clear enough

[2:03:25] Voice 3: actually let's do a motion well

[2:03:28] Voice 5: okay so the

[2:03:29] Voice 5: beauty of emotion is bends

[2:03:31] Voice 5: up in the follow-up action and um i

[2:03:35] Voice 17: i knew that the

[2:03:36] Voice 17: The local trust committee requests the planner to investigate possible time limit sunset clauses on the zoning for lot three.

[2:03:50] Voice 17: Yeah.

[2:03:53] Voice 13: Okay, let's see what Pat got.

[2:03:54] Voice 17: Did I say options?

[2:03:55] Voice 17: Options for him.

[2:03:56] Voice 17: And then options for the zoning.

[2:03:59] Voice 17: How'd you do, Pat?

[2:04:00] Voice 15: To ask the planner to investigate possible timings.

[2:04:04] Voice 15: Time limits.

[2:04:05] Voice 17: Oh, time limits.

[2:04:06] Voice 15: Time limits on.

[2:04:09] Voice 17: zoning for lot three

[2:04:11] Voice 15: options

[2:04:12] Voice 17: for lot three

[2:04:16] Voice 16: and that's um but

[2:04:25] Voice 3: let's it probably would be helpful

[2:04:26] Voice 3: to do a uh a motion uh to explore the the process related to the um the housing agreement uh and

[2:04:41] Voice 3: covenant i'm not following

[2:04:42] Voice 3: so actually don't worry about it no

[2:04:46] Voice 5: no i i don't mind i just not i mean

[2:04:49] Voice 3: to explore

[2:04:57] Voice 16: the uh is this

[2:05:02] Voice 5: part of this motion or a separate

[2:05:03] Voice 3: one well

[2:05:04] Voice 5: let's do it

[2:05:05] Voice 15: can we deal

[2:05:06] Voice 15: with this one person

[2:05:06] Voice 5: you can work on that one

[2:05:07] Voice 15: let's

[2:05:09] Voice 5: see what we got here uh

[2:05:10] Voice 15: basic to uh ask

[2:05:11] Voice 15: planner to investigate possible time limits on zoning for luxury opposite

[2:05:19] Voice 17: options for i would

[2:05:20] Voice 17: say options for zoning on time limits options for time limits

[2:05:25] Voice 15: investigate options for time limits

[2:05:31] Voice 5: for time limits

[2:05:31] Voice 15: for luxury yeah

[2:05:33] Voice 5: and i think we know what we're talking about we're talking about

[2:05:35] Voice 5: the discussion we had about 45 minutes ago yeah

[2:05:38] Voice 16: around sunset class well yeah except

[2:05:40] Voice 5: i don't think

[2:05:40] Voice 5: that's a legal term so um as to as to whether there can be any tying together of the fact that

[2:05:47] Voice 5: there's some potential the five years whatever the time might what happens if yeah and i i mean

[2:05:56] Voice 5: i think there's still a discussion to be had as mr brown said whether the whether the actual

[2:06:02] Voice 5: amenity is the zone rezoned property or not i think that's a i

[2:06:06] Voice 16: think that's a valid i

[2:06:07] Voice 5: know

[2:06:08] Voice 16: and

[2:06:08] Voice 5: the decision was made it's the actual housing um okay so ready

[2:06:16] Voice 15: for the motion yes

[2:06:17] Voice 5: the motion's been made as long as we've got it to investigate

[2:06:19] Voice 15: options for time limits on

[2:06:21] Voice 15: zoning for lot three yes correct

[2:06:23] Voice 15: okay and

[2:06:25] Voice 5: that's been seconded as many further discussion okay

[2:06:27] Voice 5: that passes go ahead planner chadwick you had to do something else the

[2:06:31] Voice 3: motion i was going to

[2:06:33] Voice 3: propose or uh staff to further explore the option of adding the housing agreement to the covenant

[2:06:41] Voice 5: okay so i mean yeah i'm hearing that it's still something you'd like to find the simple way forward

[2:06:47] Voice 9: yeah right

[2:06:48] Voice 5: okay so do you someone want to make that motion trustee dot ma made that motion

[2:06:56] Voice 5: did you get that

[2:06:59] Voice 15: today for staff to further explore the option of adding the housing agreement to the covenant

[2:07:07] Voice 15: correct

[2:07:07] Voice 5: okay is there a seconder

[2:07:10] Voice 15: okay

[2:07:10] Voice 5: any further discussion from prestige related to that okay

[2:07:14] Voice 5: call the vote i've passed this as well now planner chadwick i don't know if there's anything more

[2:07:20] Voice 5: from today's stuff

[2:07:21] Voice 3: there's one there's one item that hasn't been discussed okay and that is the

[2:07:26] Voice 3: rental structure correct um they uh has performed um a new rental structure that uh that staff are

[2:07:38] Voice 3: supportive of uh it provides flexibility um for other funding programs and um the other part of

[2:07:47] Voice 3: It does limit rental rates to 30% of the average would be 30% or below of rental definitions of rental groups as defined by Stats Canada, which is, I think, a very good way to approach it.

[2:08:13] Voice 3: um so the recommendation the staff recommendation is that the uh the lcc endorsed the changes that

[2:08:23] Voice 3: have been proposed so um open the questions on that

[2:08:27] Voice 17: straightforward to me does

[2:08:31] Voice 5: that make sense

[2:08:32] Voice 5: to you guys okay

[2:08:33] Voice 17: i move that the main and local trust committee endorsed draft housing agreement

[2:08:37] Voice 17: changes to the structure of rental rate rates as proposed by the main island housing society

[2:08:43] Voice 5: okay so i think the key to all of that is just make and i've been looking to the applicant in

[2:08:52] Voice 5: case i misunderstand the key to that is the average it means that there will be some

[2:08:59] Voice 5: deeply subsidized lower rental rates in addition to the others so that so that it's not going to

[2:09:06] Voice 5: be that all of them are set at 30 of 70 000 which would not be a very affordable housing project

[2:09:12] Voice 5: but the average could be that is that the idea

[2:09:14] Voice 11: that's correct yeah it just leaves it open

[2:09:17] Voice 11: to be able to have some units at deeply subsidized and some at closer to market

[2:09:26] Voice 11: rates but the average across it would be 30 percent of that median income right

[2:09:31] Voice 5: okay well that's been moved in second and i'm not hearing a lot of questions from the trustees

[2:09:35] Voice 5: is related to that uh so if there's nothing further can we call vote all in favor okay so

[2:09:41] Voice 5: that passes as well thank you very much for that trust planner chadwick yes oh well uh

[2:09:49] Voice 5: is there anything else and i'm thinking in specific of the fact that there were a whole

[2:09:54] Voice 5: series of motions from october that have never been addressed um yeah

[2:09:59] Voice 3: so those motions are all

[2:10:02] Voice 5: right um

[2:10:04] Voice 3: there's

[2:10:05] Voice 5: been no change to the bylaws since

[2:10:08] Voice 3: we did all of this

[2:10:09] Voice 3: right so

[2:10:13] Voice 5: and as i told you that my only con my only consideration for the bylaws is

[2:10:20] Voice 5: in i find it is in the bylaw that defines the zoning for this area is that it continues to refer

[2:10:29] Voice 5: refer to, sorry, I have to find it. Just give me a second. Can you help me plan where the

[2:10:43] Voice 5: bylaw is in the whole package?

[2:10:45] Voice 13: Where the bylaw is? Yeah.

[2:10:48] Voice 3: Okay. It's page 49.

[2:10:55] Voice 4: 49. And what

[2:10:56] Voice 3: here it is like. The staff

[2:11:01] Voice 5: reports there. Where's the actual

[2:11:04] Voice 5: actual bylaws so there's the whole draft housing agreement sorry I'm sorry I just just give me a

[2:11:12] Voice 5: second

[2:11:12] Voice 3: so page 81 the OCP and

[2:11:19] Voice 3: then yeah

[2:11:20] Voice 5: the OCP amendment it's just a change in the mapping it's

[2:11:24] Voice 3: essentially um and it's page 84.

[2:11:31] Voice 5: and i know we had this discussion 15 months ago

[2:11:38] Voice 5: and nobody else thought it was an issue but it's the it's the it's the fact that it would change

[2:11:46] Voice 5: the zoning to residential no where is it multi-family rental housing

[2:11:53] Voice 16: as

[2:11:55] Voice 5: opposed to

[2:11:56] Voice 5: multi-family affordable rental housing um right um

[2:12:01] Voice 5: and i don't know if anybody

[2:12:03] Voice 5: again i don't i'm not from main island so i'm not concerned about that but it strikes me that

[2:12:11] Voice 5: it might be um because right now it would read the zoning would be multi-family rental housing

[2:12:19] Voice 5: means residential use of attached dwelling units that are limited to residential rental tenure

[2:12:24] Voice 5: which could be any rental housing i

[2:12:27] Voice 5: i can tell you that in gabriola what we did is we basically

[2:12:31] Voice 5: said we called it multi-family affordable rental housing means rentals would just be residential

[2:12:36] Voice 5: use of attached dwelling units uh limited to residential rental tenure and and um subject

[2:12:44] Voice 5: to a housing agreement it would just say something like that and then

[2:12:48] Voice 5: so that you would have you

[2:12:50] Voice 5: wouldn't be left with a scenario at the end of the day where you have potentially a property that's

[2:12:56] Voice 5: zoned for an apartment i don't know anyway it's just a thought uh and whether the trustees want

[2:13:03] Voice 5: to give this first reading uh these two things first reading

[2:13:07] Voice 12: because i i agree is is that it

[2:13:12] Voice 12: opens up a broader definition versus like it sounds like they've really had a much

[2:13:19] Voice 12: more intelligent definition no

[2:13:21] Voice 5: no it was

[2:13:22] Voice 12: just the discussion yeah

[2:13:25] Voice 12: but i i totally get what you're saying i totally agree with what you're saying

[2:13:30] Voice 5: i know i mean i know we haven't i'm guessing the applicant doesn't recall us having me saying this

[2:13:37] Voice 5: many months ago

[2:13:38] Voice 9: um

[2:13:39] Voice 5: and but it other than that i don't have a particular i haven't finished it

[2:13:46] Voice 5: with any of the bylaw or the oc appendment but it always struck me as a bit odd to

[2:13:50] Voice 5: just create a zone that's because you're basically creating a new zone called multi-family rental

[2:13:56] Voice 5: housing um so but we could amend if you guys want to amend it but then we could give it first

[2:14:03] Voice 5: reading but i don't know where you guys you both are giving something for free i

[2:14:08] Voice 17: think we still i

[2:14:10] Voice 17: think we still have some more information to get before we get to first reading it's been kind of

[2:14:17] Voice 17: a whole lot of stuff going on that's come up well there is

[2:14:22] Voice 17: a lot of stuff outstanding

[2:14:23] Voice 5: i think first

[2:14:24] Voice 5: reading just means my view is that first reading just means we know

[2:14:30] Voice 5: where we're at and this is

[2:14:31] Voice 5: where we're headed

[2:14:32] Voice 16: so

[2:14:33] Voice 5: um i think there is some you've seen some of the correspondence we've got

[2:14:38] Voice 5: around first reading i'm not going to obviously insist on that but um it strikes me that this has

[2:14:45] Voice 5: been sitting here since october ready to get

[2:14:48] Voice 16: the first reading well we had no

[2:14:50] Voice 5: no no no you're right

[2:14:51] Voice 16: it

[2:14:52] Voice 5: sounded advanced we missed a meeting no i'm not

[2:14:54] Voice 17: saying we didn't yeah yeah but

[2:14:56] Voice 5: that was a

[2:14:57] Voice 5: recommendation eight

[2:14:58] Voice 17: months ago one month is going to make any difference i think we should bring

[2:15:01] Voice 17: that back to our next meeting for sure so that

[2:15:03] Voice 17: everybody understands what first reading is and

[2:15:06] Voice 17: people that are attending have had a chance to absorb all of the information

[2:15:09] Voice 17: can

[2:15:10] Voice 5: i can what do people agree that we could add the definition that multi-family affordable

[2:15:18] Voice 5: rental housing

[2:15:19] Voice 16: means

[2:15:20] Voice 5: residential use of attached dwelling units that are

[2:15:23] Voice 5: limited to residential

[2:15:24] Voice 5: rental tenure and and subject to an affordable of a housing agreement with the local trust committee

[2:15:34] Voice 5: do you need a motion for that yes

[2:15:35] Voice 13: yes absolutely

[2:15:36] Voice 5: i

[2:15:37] Voice 13: just

[2:15:40] Voice 5: want to stop before before

[2:15:41] Voice 5: we do this and see if the applicants have any can

[2:15:46] Voice 5: have any strong views about that issue we

[2:15:51] Voice 14: haven't talked about it but there's a housing agreement

[2:15:53] Voice 14: anyway i

[2:15:55] Voice 5: know that's my point but now we've defined it that way that that's what you're

[2:16:01] Voice 5: that's what it'll be rezoned in other words it could never be an apartment building

[2:16:14] Voice 11: i just think you know it's a little bit redundant because of the existence of the housing agreement

[2:16:20] Voice 11: um that will be attached to title so i don't know that it's necessary and it would require

[2:16:26] Voice 11: an additional definition in the zoning bylaw as well um we

[2:16:31] Voice 5: need a need a definition about

[2:16:33] Voice 5: housing yeah

[2:16:34] Voice 11: so i think it creates possibly further complications that could further delay

[2:16:39] Voice 11: the process um i think having a housing agreement regardless of what the zoning is

[2:16:45] Voice 11: um yeah and we're we just want to report as quickly as possible so we would prefer not to

[2:16:54] Voice 11: have that additional complexity um yeah

[2:17:01] Voice 17: i think that that makes sense to me to leave it out soon

[2:17:09] Voice 5: well that's up to you yep

[2:17:12] Voice 16: um

[2:17:14] Voice 5: all right well then we'll just leave it but i'm not hearing

[2:17:18] Voice 5: energy to give it first reading no

[2:17:20] Voice 4: i'm seeing trusty

[2:17:23] Voice 4: thinking deeply

[2:17:24] Voice 12: deeply well it's just

[2:17:28] Voice 12: yeah again with this zone it is by chair rogers sort of very very narrow definition again sort

[2:17:43] Voice 12: of doing the worst case scenario things don't progress 10 years down the road does that mean

[2:17:48] Voice 12: that somebody can come forward so the housing agreement finds no matter what yeah i mean that's

[2:17:54] Voice 12: that's true yeah so that's my question is is it we're is it dumb races or are we are we already

[2:18:03] Voice 12: covered or are we not i think

[2:18:05] Voice 5: i think it's two things and this is just my personal opinion

[2:18:09] Voice 5: it's two things it's one is in five years someone can look at your bylaw and know what you meant

[2:18:17] Voice 5: what was intended and and there's a certain amount of public um communication that occurs when you

[2:18:25] Voice 5: adopt when you change your bylaws second thing is i come from a world of redundancy so it doesn't

[2:18:30] Voice 5: really bother me um but i also hear that that if you don't want to complicate it it probably is i

[2:18:37] Voice 5: think we're covered i think we're covered yes i think once you get a housing agreement in place

[2:18:43] Voice 5: it will be attached to the property it's a bylaw that's attached to the property it's just that

[2:18:49] Voice 5: you have a land use bylaw that doesn't define the zoning for this as only for affordable house

[2:18:55] Voice 5: and if

[2:18:56] Voice 17: some future trust committee decides and and the owners of the property at that time

[2:19:04] Voice 17: your portability can't do that it's then you would is it possible you could remove the housing

[2:19:10] Voice 17: agreement and just let some private entrepreneur build the 10 unit apartment because it would be

[2:19:16] Voice 17: rental it would still have to be rental housing with the zoning i mean rentals are rental yeah

[2:19:28] Voice 5: so it

[2:19:30] Voice 17: gives you a little flexibility it will

[2:19:38] Voice 17: never happen i'm

[2:19:39] Voice 5: not hearing any any uh interest

[2:19:42] Voice 5: but the but i just so i'm clear trustee dodds your intention would be to bring these back if you don't

[2:19:49] Voice 5: want to check well if

[2:19:51] Voice 5: you don't want to change this you want to have some time yet before we

[2:19:53] Voice 17: consider first reading

[2:19:55] Voice 17: one more event yes okay

[2:19:58] Voice 5: trustee moth okay well there's no motion to uh

[2:20:03] Voice 5: are there any other motions in your staff report of october that we should consider

[2:20:09] Voice 3: that's that that was it they were all the ones that were not related to the uh

[2:20:17] Voice 3: first reading

[2:20:25] Voice 5: okay uh well if there's not is there anything further from either of you

[2:20:29] Voice 5: yeah okay all right uh then we'll um i think we'll call that discussion concluded

[2:20:38] Voice 5: thank you very much to the housing committee society for uh your information and all the

[2:20:44] Voice 5: the work that you're doing on this um it's uh 320. uh

[2:20:50] Voice 16: i was going

[2:20:51] Voice 5: to say that's two hours 20

[2:20:52] Voice 5: minutes we don't have we have a few things left on our agenda uh so can we take 10 minutes and

[2:20:58] Voice 5: And we'll come back at 3.30 for anybody watching us live stream.

[2:21:03] Voice 5: I'm just going to mute, stop the video, and we'll come back at 3.30.

[2:30:04] okay

[2:30:22] Voice 5: no but if you're going to get in first reading then

[2:30:24] Voice 16: i don't know how long

[2:30:25] Voice 5: marissa is going to give you some indication how long it's going to take for them to finalize their

[2:30:29] Voice 5: a housing agreement whether you want to try and get to a cim

[2:30:37] Voice 5: well if that's your agenda

[2:30:39] Voice 17: no actually i don't i don't really care i was also like

[2:30:42] Voice 17: yeah we have a public hearing next month yeah

[2:30:46] Voice 5: oh yeah you

[2:30:47] Voice 17: know so that big we're into july already

[2:30:49] Voice 17: you know so it's it's really good

[2:30:51] Voice 5: and then there's september and october

[2:30:57] Voice 13: yeah

[2:30:58] Voice 5: but you could still still probably

[2:31:00] Voice 17: have september i'm

[2:31:02] Voice 5: still your chair on october 24th

[2:31:04] Voice 16: and you're

[2:31:05] Voice 12: still and you're still but you can't cancel

[2:31:13] Voice 12: didn't have the

[2:31:14] Voice 12: and i think that september meeting was it was canceled

[2:31:18] Voice 4: well you

[2:31:20] Voice 16: know what it's going to be

[2:31:21] Voice 4: up to you guys i think you're both right yes

[2:31:24] Voice 16: so

[2:31:25] Voice 4: it's

[2:31:26] Voice 16: up to you

[2:31:27] Voice 4: whether you want

[2:31:28] Voice 16: to move it

[2:31:34] Voice 16: and i'm quite happy

[2:31:37] Voice 4: i'm quite happy to do that or not

[2:31:50] Voice 5: well i think you're going to

[2:31:51] Voice 5: start to hear that

[2:31:53] Voice 5: they're going to be pressed for time again

[2:31:56] Voice 5: they're going to be out of place right there i mean the call

[2:32:00] Voice 7: for an

[2:32:01] Voice 16: intake could

[2:32:02] Voice 7: come at any time

[2:32:14] Voice 5: um so thank you for that uh fulsome discussion for everybody that participated uh we're now at

[2:32:23] Voice 5: 10.4 of the agenda and that's a referral from the salt spring island local trust committee

[2:32:29] Voice 5: for their proposed bylaw 530 so this is just for people that aren't aware uh all the various local

[2:32:36] Voice 5: trust committees refer their bylaws to their neighboring in case their interests are affected

[2:32:40] Voice 5: this is actually a fairly high profile bylaw um been in the press a lot of the the driftwood

[2:32:47] Voice 5: quite a bit uh anyway trustees i

[2:32:50] Voice 17: move that the main local trust committee's interests are not

[2:32:54] Voice 17: affected by salt springs proposed by lafayette 30.

[2:32:58] Voice 5: okay is there a second second any discussion

[2:33:01] Voice 5: all in favor that passes unanimously i really wouldn't like to subject if i say it again

[2:33:06] Voice 5: yes uh it is

[2:33:12] Voice 17: controversial it

[2:33:13] Voice 5: is very it is very gets a lot of profile uh ocp number 11.1 which is

[2:33:19] Voice 5: the ocpluv minor amendments um this is one of our projects we have a series of potential bylaws

[2:33:28] Voice 5: we've had some communications around some of it uh like some of the letters we got around

[2:33:34] Voice 5: fuel shack park we got another letter from who is that individual that

[2:33:39] Voice 17: was goodness i haven't

[2:33:41] Voice 5: here i printed it from a gentleman who who bought uh the lot of 797 seven greek beachwood drive

[2:33:51] Voice 5: planner um uh chadwick what's the plan for that and what what would you need for that paula

[2:33:59] Voice 5: yeah

[2:34:00] Voice 3: so really um this file has gone through first meeting so there is an opportunity to

[2:34:06] Voice 3: make changes um before it does go to second reading so there has there was a letter um

[2:34:13] Voice 3: that was sent to trustees by the owner of that property um asking um that they um

[2:34:20] Voice 3: so right now it is proposed to rezone that property to what what should have originally

[2:34:27] Voice 3: been the densities allowed um following the the original subdivision um which is two

[2:34:35] Voice 3: two dwellings two cottages the the owner has sent a letter and committed that they would um very much

[2:34:42] Voice 3: like at a minimum of three dwellings one cottage and if possible three dwellings three cottages

[2:34:50] Voice 3: so um at this point if trustees are interested in um um in entertaining that change essentially

[2:34:59] Voice 3: it will come back in the staff staff report for uh next okay

[2:35:05] Voice 17: so i'm i'm okay with the concept of

[2:35:08] Voice 17: maximum four dwellings of which three could be or say four structures three could be dwellings

[2:35:17] Voice 17: permanent and one would be the cottage which is simply an issue of size but four is still

[2:35:24] Voice 17: a maximum beyond that it needs to be an amenity resume and i was going to suggest if you're going

[2:35:31] Voice 17: to have three dwellings um i don't i'm sort of torn but i still think the cat we need to put

[2:35:38] Voice 17: caps on housing sizes so if you want to consider that something that's reasonable but these people

[2:35:44] Voice 17: bought this property knowing full well that the covenant was incorrect that they could only have

[2:35:48] Voice 17: two dwellings and two cottages um because of their family structure they like three dwellings which

[2:35:54] Voice 17: is i can handle but uh perhaps to say some kind of capital on the size of those dwellings most

[2:36:01] Voice 17: people do build reasonable sized homes on the island it's not a huge issue but you're asking

[2:36:06] Voice 17: for something more than what you bought the property knowing you were like that's my take on

[2:36:11] Voice 17: it and then definitely making me on that lots of women and potential in that property if they want

[2:36:19] Voice 17: to they need to negotiate the extra densely that way so

[2:36:24] Voice 3: what i'm understanding is um i could come

[2:36:27] Voice 3: back with something around um around seismic levels yes

[2:36:32] Voice 12: so and that would be in conjunction

[2:36:35] Voice 12: with the conversation with the with the property orders yeah that

[2:36:40] Voice 12: would be good

[2:36:42] Voice 12: is it appropriate to have a an amenity discussion also no

[2:36:50] Voice 17: simply because we've got to get this by

[2:36:52] Voice 17: law finished too late too little too late but

[2:36:55] Voice 12: maybe let them know the door is open yeah of

[2:36:58] Voice 17: course yeah yeah

[2:37:00] Voice 12: but

[2:37:01] Voice 17: that you know then we just have to pull this one out and we've already done

[2:37:06] Voice 17: that years ago for paula and i just wanted

[2:37:08] Voice 12: to finish so so three in one

[2:37:10] Voice 17: um

[2:37:11] Voice 12: do we need a motion

[2:37:12] Voice 12: on that or is that um

[2:37:13] Voice 3: well i think that i guess there's two options for for you right now i mean

[2:37:19] Voice 3: there there is the option to um uh well i guess not really well you would have to

[2:37:27] Voice 3: um you could rescind first reading and amend and read again well

[2:37:32] Voice 5: we don't need to rescind we can

[2:37:34] Voice 5: amend that second reading you

[2:37:35] Voice 3: could or you or amend that second reading so but if you want to

[2:37:39] Voice 3: read this for the second time could you like that's that's what i'm thinking i was just thinking

[2:37:44] Voice 5: of process and i'm

[2:37:46] Voice 5: thinking okay so i know that both trustees and myself would like to get this

[2:37:52] Voice 5: done before this term is over uh we have a meeting in july we have potentially a meeting in september

[2:37:59] Voice 5: well we have a meeting scheduled in september and you

[2:38:02] Voice 3: have a meeting as well

[2:38:04] Voice 5: sorry

[2:38:05] Voice 3: june oh we have

[2:38:06] Voice 5: june july

[2:38:07] Voice 3: and september sorry sorry i was

[2:38:10] Voice 5: thinking it was already too i i right um right i'm just

[2:38:16] Voice 5: thinking we as i understand the process we you can have a cim before second reading and public

[2:38:24] Voice 16: public

[2:38:24] Voice 5: hearing before second reading and then you

[2:38:26] Voice 5: can amend it at second reading and then give it

[2:38:29] Voice 5: third reading so

[2:38:30] Voice 5: why wouldn't we do that at

[2:38:32] Voice 3: the next meeting or

[2:38:35] Voice 5: july whichever yeah that's what

[2:38:37] Voice 3: i was thinking if you wanted to do it today and the post would be a bit different but if you want

[2:38:41] Voice 3: to do it later that makes sense and and i think i got a bit of directions if you wanted to explore

[2:38:47] Voice 3: for the maximum size, that would be another element

[2:38:52] Voice 3: that would be added.

[2:38:56] Voice 3: So

[2:38:56] Voice 5: we could get a stop report, do a CIM,

[2:39:02] Voice 5: have a public hearing, and then at second reading,

[2:39:05] Voice 5: amend to whatever it is we decide we

[2:39:08] Voice 17: want to do.

[2:39:09] Voice 17: And

[2:39:09] Voice 5: if we could invite these people

[2:39:11] Voice 5: to come into

[2:39:11] Voice 5: the public hearing, if they want to.

[2:39:13] Voice 17: And then whatever.

[2:39:14] Voice 17: So would you like a motion?

[2:39:15] Voice 17: do you

[2:39:16] Voice 5: need a motion or is that enough direction i

[2:39:18] Voice 17: think that's enough okay

[2:39:21] Voice 5: that's perfect

[2:39:22] Voice 12: so that's good okay so go ahead sorry well that had one other thing

[2:39:29] Voice 12: called to address okay

[2:39:30] Voice 12: that we addressed last time but we didn't get addressed so we have to

[2:39:34] Voice 12: all right where did we end up on that that was two months ago

[2:39:42] Voice 12: all where

[2:39:43] Voice 17: is that well so

[2:39:45] Voice 12: so basically what we wanted to hopefully is get we had excluded

[2:39:51] Voice 12: patios within the setback from the sea and i'm suggesting that we include patios within setback

[2:39:57] Voice 12: from the sea

[2:39:58] Voice 17: and realistically if you if you can are allowed to put a cement patio in the setback

[2:40:08] Voice 17: from the sea then putting a wooden patio makes if you're going to put a patio then you might as well

[2:40:28] Voice 12: Okay, so

[2:40:37] Voice 16: we

[2:40:43] Voice 5: clear on where we're at.

[2:40:45] Voice 17: on the

[2:40:46] Voice 5: on the changes to the hopefully hopefully

[2:40:49] Voice 17: and

[2:40:50] Voice 5: and the extent that we need to as i said we

[2:40:53] Voice 5: can we can amend them when we before we give them a second reading i

[2:40:56] Voice 9: mean

[2:40:58] Voice 5: i know it's sometimes

[2:40:59] Voice 5: cleaner to amend and then have your public hearing but i think we can in this case okay um flexible

[2:41:08] Voice 5: housing there's a discussion here is this again another process discussion this was the

[2:41:13] Voice 17: map yeah

[2:41:14] Voice 12: this was the mapping question where we had a letter from somebody who requested to be included

[2:41:23] Voice 12: within the area and that's that light shaded spot the blue light

[2:41:28] Voice 12: so she's requested being included

[2:41:33] Voice 12: in that

[2:41:34] Voice 17: so so first yeah first i was going to ask so can we get the map sort of like next time

[2:41:41] Voice 17: around that it actually includes places because some places are excluded that are residents oh

[2:41:46] Voice 3: yeah yeah yeah okay i apologize that was uh all the residential areas would be excluded just the

[2:41:54] Voice 3: ones that are not zoned presidential something good um so the map shows um so the green area

[2:42:02] Voice 3: which would include more of these lots um uh is what's uh um already been identified as a pilot

[2:42:10] Voice 3: area and the lot is the light blue lot. I would just identify that that lot is 12 acres. Currently

[2:42:20] Voice 3: the by-lot talks to lots not exceeding 10 acres so there would have to be a change to 12 acres or

[2:42:28] Voice 3: 15 or however you want to do that. The other thing I want to identify to you is that

[2:42:35] Voice 3: that there are you know it is it is sort of like in a sense would be a continuation of what's

[2:42:41] Voice 3: already been agreed to however there are a number of lots in between so there you know you may want

[2:42:47] Voice 3: to consider if you were going to go with that route there

[2:42:51] Voice 17: again I think we're ready to get

[2:42:52] Voice 17: this bylaw through I think that when the bylaws through and done we keep flex housing on our work

[2:42:58] Voice 17: program because it's not really fair at this point for us just to add one person in who happened

[2:43:03] Voice 17: and I'm not even convinced that that's because she has other things she would like to do with

[2:43:08] Voice 17: her property so at this point I think we should go with what we had and then after that we then

[2:43:14] Voice 17: could reach out to other people within the area perhaps with larger lots because we're missing a

[2:43:21] Voice 17: whole bunch around here that could have that potential and certainly that would be a consideration

[2:43:26] Voice 17: for that one but having read her email and her other considerations about her life I don't see

[2:43:32] Voice 17: how i think she's looking for some financial security and flex housing is not for someone

[2:43:38] Voice 17: who doesn't have assets to develop it so i wouldn't want to change it at this point

[2:43:47] Voice 16: but i do think we should branch out and do more for sure trustee

[2:43:55] Voice 12: do you have anything

[2:43:56] Voice 12: my only um comments was was you know with secondary seats we saw almost zero uptake

[2:44:04] Voice 12: and so when we have a landowner who is interested in being included in the pilot area um i'm kind

[2:44:13] Voice 12: of a little bit more enthused to to include her property because it actually might be something

[2:44:19] Voice 12: that actually might get developed as one of the pilot projects and we could see some results so

[2:44:24] Voice 12: that that's my only i would there's

[2:44:28] Voice 17: already a cottage there that's an stvr so i would be very

[2:44:31] Voice 17: concerned that we'd be very cautious on this particular property um if we thought it really

[2:44:36] Voice 17: was going to give us some additional residential housing but currently um i would be i think we

[2:44:42] Voice 17: have to be careful but i mean i agree that it would be nice to see others and i think we need

[2:44:47] Voice 17: to advertise the patent and invite people in who are interested for sure and uh but but i don't

[2:44:54] Voice 17: think for us to jump in with this single one is going to solve anything um with and it's not

[2:44:59] Voice 17: really treating a whole bunch of other people fairly who maybe just didn't realize what was

[2:45:03] Voice 17: going on okay

[2:45:06] Voice 5: um so i'm hearing not necessarily the same point of view and i i sort of hear

[2:45:12] Voice 5: both of your i mean i i sort of thought that you know if someone comes forward you might want to

[2:45:20] Voice 5: accommodate let's let's figure out a process because it's not actually before us the actual

[2:45:26] Voice 5: bylaws not here and the map's not that we've got well we have this map um but i'm not hearing

[2:45:32] Voice 5: trustee dodds that you would be supportive of adding of amending the map to include sorry

[2:45:37] Voice 17: that's not just the map we'd have to change the bylaw correct

[2:45:40] Voice 5: that's true we'd have to change the

[2:45:42] Voice 5: bylaw to to be in excess of 10 acres um so again this is ready other than that ready to go to

[2:45:49] Voice 5: public hearing correct and would the plan be to have two public hearings in june or one in june

[2:45:54] Voice 5: want oh the plan is okay yeah um uh so we could do that and then do the same and we could have

[2:46:04] Voice 16: this debate yeah uh

[2:46:05] Voice 5: if because they that we maybe i i haven't seen this email um so that's all news

[2:46:12] Voice 5: to me so uh and then we could again we trustee modiff is still in favor of adding and we could

[2:46:19] Voice 5: could make an amendment to by-law and secondly.

[2:46:22] Voice 5: So is that just a process way going forward?

[2:46:25] Voice 3: That would be the way to go.

[2:46:26] Voice 3: Yeah. Okay.

[2:46:27] Voice 5: So that's good.

[2:46:28] Voice 5: Anything else?

[2:46:29] Voice 5: I think everything else is fine in terms of that by-law.

[2:46:32] Voice 5: All right.

[2:46:33] Voice 5: All right.

[2:46:35] Voice 5: We have our work program report.

[2:46:38] Voice 5: There anything changed in our work program report

[2:46:41] Voice 5: at 146 to 149, either of you?

[2:46:43] Voice 5: No, that's good.

[2:46:46] Voice 5: Any questions on the applications report

[2:46:49] Voice 5: starting at page 152 of the agenda um sorry 150. there's not a lot of applications outstanding

[2:47:01] Voice 5: we dealt with two of them today there's two or three others anything any questions from

[2:47:09] Voice 5: trustees related to either of those

[2:47:10] Voice 16: uh

[2:47:11] Voice 5: we have our expenses which still want to know where that

[2:47:25] Voice 5: We have the adopted policies and standing resolutions or anything that trustees wish

[2:47:35] Voice 5: to address related to that.

[2:47:38] Voice 5: Okay, so we're at the chairs report and the trustees report.

[2:47:42] Voice 5: report. So I always forget because it's at the end of the

[2:47:49] Voice 5: agenda. So I just I'll report on the the although met May was a

[2:48:01] Voice 5: relatively quiet month trust. We had a very busy February, March,

[2:48:10] Voice 5: April with all of the engagement around the trust policy statement uh and it's about to get really

[2:48:17] Voice 5: busy again because the ISL report that sorry that's the report from the consultants on the

[2:48:24] Voice 5: public engagement process that occurred um will be is it actually in the hands of the trust right

[2:48:32] Voice 5: now will be released to public on Friday as part of the executive committee package so it comes to

[2:48:38] Voice 5: executive committee on the 8th um so if you don't know that's that's been a long of all term long

[2:48:46] Voice 5: process of reconsidering the trust policy statement uh not without some controversy

[2:48:56] Voice 5: both in the public and and within the trust itself the

[2:48:59] Voice 17: good news is we get lots of sympathy

[2:49:01] Voice 17: from people oh

[2:49:02] Voice 17: good because things come in the mail and they're like i'm apologizing like poor

[2:49:07] Voice 17: poor you yeah

[2:49:09] Voice 5: um anyway it's it'll be out there uh just i think the plan is and maybe you and the

[2:49:18] Voice 5: two trustees here don't sit on the trust policy trust programs committee um there's a plan afoot

[2:49:24] Voice 5: to present to trust council on june that the trust programs committee is scheduling a one-day

[2:49:30] Voice 5: workshop uh to go through everything and come up with recommendations for trust council

[2:49:37] Voice 5: that's the idea

[2:49:38] Voice 9: um

[2:49:39] Voice 5: we'll see how that works out i get to sit on the trust programs committee

[2:49:43] Voice 5: lucky me it's scheduled for some time oh i don't know when it's scheduled there's having trouble

[2:49:48] Voice 5: scheduling people well they are they can't they can't seem to

[2:49:52] Voice 5: find a date that that some people

[2:49:54] Voice 5: can be there anyway that i would expect that the trust council will make some decision in june

[2:50:01] Voice 5: about um uh how they're going to move this forward or if and how they're going to move

[2:50:08] Voice 5: this forward and uh i guess we'll see how that all plays out um they're just so you know the

[2:50:17] Voice 5: trust council now the last two trust councils for the year will be virtual they won't they won't be

[2:50:22] Voice 5: in person we had an in-person in march uh it's all part of our revamping of the trust and um

[2:50:29] Voice 5: of the way we operate in any in any case and and uh generically the idea is to have two virtual

[2:50:37] Voice 5: trust councils a year or two in person um so that that's june 21st 22nd 23rd there's always

[2:50:44] Voice 5: an opportunity for people to come and speak uh to trust council on the tuesday night there'll be a

[2:50:49] Voice 5: town hall of trust council um and there'll also be discussion there about uh implementation of the

[2:50:57] Voice 5: the steps related to the governance report that came out and there's lots of other things going

[2:51:03] Voice 5: on at the trust including a report on a couple of things when we get to the conservancy report

[2:51:11] Voice 5: that's here so I'll just leave it at that I'm happy to answer any questions in town

[2:51:16] Voice 5: over to you who wants to go first

[2:51:21] Voice 12: well we had a meeting last month so it's been a little bit more peaceful than normal

[2:51:27] Voice 12: Certainly, the deer this year have been the topic on the island.

[2:51:32] Voice 12: They seem to be coming out of everywhere.

[2:51:36] Voice 12: I guess part of that is with the less amount of funding taking place,

[2:51:40] Voice 12: they're getting less fearful of people.

[2:51:42] Voice 12: So they're coming out of every sort of crack and crevice.

[2:51:45] Voice 12: So that's sort of been a bit of a pain.

[2:51:48] Voice 12: The only other thing that's been happening with me quite a bit,

[2:51:50] Voice 12: and trying to explain to people with processes, are bylaw complaints.

[2:51:56] Voice 12: is people seem to think the trustees are the one-stop shop for resolving by-law issues.

[2:52:04] Voice 12: And a few people have referred to the online complaints form.

[2:52:09] Voice 12: And there's a lot of reluctance to that.

[2:52:12] Voice 12: They're saying, no, no, you just deal with it.

[2:52:14] Voice 12: And try to explain that we don't have anything to do with by-law enforcement.

[2:52:20] Voice 12: and there's I don't know why there's reluctance because if you take the time to sit down with

[2:52:27] Voice 12: the trustee and say you have a problem um it's simpler to sit down and type a few words out on

[2:52:33] Voice 12: online form and actually have a proper investigation take place because the best we can offer is

[2:52:40] Voice 12: interpretation whereas the bylaw officer actually they're they're they're there to provide the

[2:52:45] Voice 12: proper file enforcement so i but i i think this week i've had four so it's just quite a bit over

[2:52:53] Voice 12: to you

[2:52:54] Voice 17: well i just my my report will be fallow deer for basically basically the ad hoc fellow

[2:53:04] Voice 17: deer committee didn't meet for a couple of years and because i was overwhelmed with work and there

[2:53:12] Voice 17: there was only two of us basically so we've managed to commandeer a new member who's a

[2:53:18] Voice 17: retired lawyer and clearly didn't know what he was getting into and he volunteered to help us out so

[2:53:24] Voice 17: we we're now focused again on lobbying basically lobbying everyone we possibly can to have the

[2:53:31] Voice 17: government fund and step up to the plate and take responsibility for what they've done to us and

[2:53:38] Voice 17: And we're trying to stay out of the nitty gritty of, you know, how it should be done and rather focus on the fact that there's responsibility.

[2:53:45] Voice 17: So right now I've got emails all over the place.

[2:53:47] Voice 17: And actually, Salt Spring Transition, everybody's got back to me.

[2:53:51] Voice 17: It's quite impressive in terms of, you know, from Adam Olson and virtually everyone I've sent emails to.

[2:53:58] Voice 17: I love Trust Conservancy.

[2:53:59] Voice 17: So that's kind of where my energy is going right now.

[2:54:03] Voice 17: And frankly, environmental devastation is phenomenal.

[2:54:08] Voice 17: and it's not you know it's not helping with climate change it's just

[2:54:11] Voice 17: exasperating so that's basically but yes what dave was saying i think

[2:54:17] Voice 17: there's a lot more people on the island a lot more construction

[2:54:20] Voice 17: so there's a lot more complaints and people not understanding

[2:54:23] Voice 17: that there are rules around setbacks and there's rules around what you can and

[2:54:27] Voice 17: can't build um there's the monkey right now the

[2:54:31] Voice 17: former remax that he's implying is a sleeping structure

[2:54:34] Voice 17: sure technically you're not supposed to sleep in an auxiliary building and i bite my chance there's

[2:54:40] Voice 17: lots of things going on that technically you're not you know you shouldn't be advertising something

[2:54:45] Voice 17: for sale that legally a person is not supposed to be using to dwell in and you know that certainly

[2:54:51] Voice 17: the housing issues are ongoing but our population is it's booming and there's not as much available

[2:54:58] Voice 17: right now um

[2:55:00] Voice 5: i forgot one thing um is and you'll know this the about i don't know what 15 18 months

[2:55:12] Voice 5: ago the um uh the trust gave some seed money to what's called the southern gun violence forum

[2:55:20] Voice 9: and

[2:55:21] Voice 5: i know that you you have each sort of and it's a bringing bringing together of of the

[2:55:27] Voice 5: elected officials and first nations uh in the southern gulf islands adam olsen usually attends

[2:55:33] Voice 5: mp

[2:55:34] Voice 9: may usually

[2:55:35] Voice 5: attends um some a number of the trustees regional directors some first nations

[2:55:41] Voice 5: and there's been some some good conversations and then some smaller meetings in there

[2:55:46] Voice 5: and that's that's continuing and seeming to get some some traction um uh in the southern gulf

[2:55:53] Voice 5: items but i just wanted to point out that in july first week of july there's a meeting specifically

[2:55:59] Voice 5: set aside uh i think it's in person it's gonna

[2:56:04] Voice 5: be in sydney to

[2:56:05] Voice 5: talk about

[2:56:06] Voice 5: anchorages um from

[2:56:08] Voice 5: everybody's point of view and see whether there's some action that can be taken uh around just one

[2:56:15] Voice 5: thing i wanted to point out is that one of the programs that the trust programs committee has

[2:56:23] Voice 5: has adopted in the last little bit last year is um how i forgot what the name of it is i'm going to

[2:56:30] Voice 5: call it the living in the trust program but it's a mail out to uh new homeowners uh which is a mail

[2:56:38] Voice 5: out of a series of brochures about about the trust and about environmental how to how to live in the

[2:56:44] Voice 5: trust and about ecological perfect and it's a series of brochures that are mailed out and they

[2:56:50] Voice 5: They mailed to 1,000.

[2:56:54] Voice 5: I think that was done over every purchase over 18 months or something like that.

[2:57:00] Voice 5: So they're going through getting all the new owners.

[2:57:02] Voice 5: And then we've now approved that there would be a new mailing every four months to all the new owners.

[2:57:08] Voice 5: So this is one way of trying to get people to understand that there are some roles and there's some ways to live in the trust.

[2:57:15] Voice 5: We'll hopefully have these on our successful.

[2:57:18] Voice 5: Just quickly, we now have the Islands Trust Conservancy report. It's in the package. Just two things I'll point out about the Islands Trust Conservancy. They have had a number of successful programs lately.

[2:57:36] Voice 5: Lately, they got a very large bequest

[2:57:41] Voice 5: from a woman on Salt Spring

[2:57:43] Voice 5: whose last name I've forgotten.

[2:57:45] Voice 5: And they, sorry?

[2:57:47] Voice 5: Susan Blue.

[2:57:48] Voice 5: That's right.

[2:57:49] Voice 5: The Conservancy has now decided

[2:57:51] Voice 5: to give that money to their,

[2:57:53] Voice 5: it's called the Development Fund,

[2:57:56] Voice 5: I think it's called,

[2:57:56] Voice 5: the Opportunity Fund.

[2:57:58] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:57:58] Voice 5: Yes, and with half being designated

[2:58:01] Voice 5: for Salt Spring and half,

[2:58:02] Voice 5: oh, it's in there?

[2:58:03] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:58:03] Voice 5: And half being,

[2:58:05] Voice 5: and also I was just advised the other day

[2:58:07] Voice 5: that they had their species of risk funding which is a large grant from the federal government

[2:58:12] Voice 5: increased and renewed for three more years which is close to four hundred thousand dollars where

[2:58:17] Voice 5: they're doing work on species of risk all over the trust area uh so that's really good news

[2:58:22] Voice 5: uh from the conservancy and um they're uh we're very proud of the work they do uh page 159 is the

[2:58:31] Voice 5: draft annual wording for the annual report is there any changes to that um then there's a motion

[2:58:41] Voice 5: there's a motion and you're on your agenda someone wants to read it

[2:58:46] Voice 17: okay i move that the main local trust committee approved the format and outline of contents

[2:58:51] Voice 17: for the 2021 annual report is

[2:58:55] Voice 5: there a seconder okay any discussion all in favor that passes

[2:58:58] Voice 5: is unanimously thank you very much

[2:59:00] Voice 9: someone

[2:59:01] Voice 5: put rainwater harvesting on our agenda and i'm not

[2:59:03] Voice 5: sure if that was your head for information oh it's just an information highlight it okay again what

[2:59:08] Voice 17: now

[2:59:09] Voice 12: there's

[2:59:23] Voice 5: some really good work going on it's not just there but other places i remember

[2:59:27] Voice 5: reading the hearing the guy speak at a forum and he said catch it store it and use it sparingly

[2:59:34] Voice 5: three rules that's what you need to know our next meeting is on june 27th right here uh and live on

[2:59:44] Voice 5: streaming so does anybody now we're at town hall does anybody wish to speak to the local trust

[2:59:50] Voice 5: committee before we close the meeting yes so

[2:59:56] Voice 2: my name's nico i'm one of the neighbors

[3:00:00] Voice 2: I just wanted to build on some concerns I raised at the last meeting, specifically on

[3:00:06] Voice 2: hydrology and hydrogeology of the proposed project.

[3:00:09] Voice 2: It was a great relief to hear some of those raised today up front in the room here, but

[3:00:14] Voice 2: really I'm just struck by some inconsistencies in the reports, the hydrogeology report in

[3:00:21] Voice 2: particular, which misrepresents a well location and well ownership.

[3:00:25] Voice 2: And then among the various documents we've seen, I just think of glaring emissions in terms of seasonality for water of all sorts, above ground, below ground, water supply, and wastewater.

[3:00:39] Voice 2: Some of those details were described earlier in this meeting by the applicants as small details.

[3:00:44] Voice 2: But I think for downstream neighbors, particularly on Maple Drive and other neighbors, those are major existential threats of flooding, water shortages, and contaminated wells.

[3:00:55] Voice 2: The challenge is not an issue of whether or not to have affordable housing.

[3:00:59] Voice 2: I think you find a lot of sympathy in the neighborhood for the concept of affordable housing.

[3:01:04] Voice 2: It's site selection.

[3:01:05] Voice 2: This is the inappropriate site for this project.

[3:01:07] Voice 2: This is a wetland.

[3:01:08] Voice 2: It's been described by the applicants as a wetland.

[3:01:11] Voice 2: But in a bit of a show of hubris last time, it was described as a wetland that wasn't a very good wetland.

[3:01:16] Voice 2: And that by fluffing up the soils and paving it, it would be made better.

[3:01:20] Voice 2: And I think just simply that just doesn't hold water.

[3:01:23] Voice 2: What we have are 30 acres draining into a bottleneck, coming out and affecting 19 downstream properties.

[3:01:30] Voice 2: That property is the sponge that prevents and retains that water and allows it to infiltrate and recharge the aquifer.

[3:01:37] Voice 2: By paving over it, you lose that resilience. This is an unacceptable risk.

[3:01:43] Voice 2: I think the idea of putting in 10 properties and jeopardizing 19 is just not something that should be tabled.

[3:01:49] Voice 2: The concept of paving over wetlands is something I'd expect to hear discussed in the Florida Everglades and not in a more progressive region like the Gulf Islands.

[3:02:00] Voice 2: With the hydrogeological assessment as a neighbor, I think we formally request that it be redone.

[3:02:05] Voice 2: I don't think the diligence by Hy-Geo meets standards.

[3:02:09] Voice 2: The maps misrepresent the location.

[3:02:12] Voice 2: The well was sampled after unseasonably high rains over a short window, and it simply does not capture the potential impact of this property on our groundwater.

[3:02:22] Voice 2: We've heard it described as a wet site at the bottom of a mountain, as a wetland, but not a good one.

[3:02:27] Voice 2: I just don't think these kind of descriptions of the property suggest something should be built there of the scale that's being proposed.

[3:02:34] Voice 2: I think it's kind of a potential to be a mega-project

[3:02:38] Voice 2: boondoggle where something like the flexible housing

[3:02:40] Voice 2: addresses the same concerns we have here on this island

[3:02:43] Voice 2: in a way that distributes the impact of those developments.

[3:02:47] Voice 2: Then simply as neighbors, I think, you know,

[3:02:49] Voice 2: before any discussion happens of subdivision,

[3:02:52] Voice 2: there are boundary issues on our property

[3:02:55] Voice 2: that have to be resolved.

[3:02:56] Voice 2: We've had productive negotiations with the owners,

[3:02:59] Voice 2: but there are existing encroachments onto our property

[3:03:02] Voice 2: be by buildings and other infrastructure will have to be resolved before there's any

[3:03:07] Voice 2: discussion of subdividing that property for development. So we've heard repeated calls

[3:03:11] Voice 2: today and last week to accelerate the process and speed things up because prices are getting

[3:03:16] Voice 2: higher because it's in the interest of the community. I suggest the opposite. We need

[3:03:21] Voice 2: to slow things down. I think these studies need to be revisited. We missed an opportunity

[3:03:25] Voice 2: to collect data over the last two years. There's been one or two snapshots of water

[3:03:29] Voice 2: taking we've just metered the well during the wet season but we don't know what this would do

[3:03:34] Voice 2: year-round to this property I'm not sure why that data wasn't collected over the last year

[3:03:38] Voice 2: and a half and strengthening their position and achieve the goal of accelerating the project so

[3:03:43] Voice 2: thanks for sharing the meeting and controlling some of the incendiary language earlier in the

[3:03:48] Voice 2: meeting I think it was productive and I appreciated hearing more about the project

[3:03:57] Voice 2: I just

[3:03:58] Voice 5: want to say, can I just say, I remember you speaking in March, it

[3:04:06] Voice 5: would be very useful

[3:04:07] Voice 5: if you're going to say that there are things that are in error in the reports that you

[3:04:13] Voice 5: write to us and tell us what those are specifically, because I have no idea what it is you're referring

[3:04:18] Voice 5: to.

[3:04:19] Voice 2: yeah well quite simply the well that was the observation well is not owned by that property

[3:04:25] Voice 2: it's on our property it's been recognized as being our well by the owners okay permission

[3:04:30] Voice 2: was not given to use it as observation well and on the report the location is misrepresented on

[3:04:35] Voice 2: the map so when i see something like that in a in a professional engineer document it suggests

[3:04:41] Voice 2: perhaps the diligence wasn't there to ensure ownership and location of the well so i'm

[3:04:46] Voice 2: a difficulty interpreting and uh any confidence in the results thank

[3:04:50] Voice 5: you um

[3:04:53] Voice 16: anybody

[3:04:54] Voice 5: else wish to

[3:04:55] Voice 5: speak in

[3:04:55] Voice 16: town hall well

[3:05:00] Voice 5: then i'll say again thank you very much for all of the contributions to our

[3:05:04] Voice 5: discussion and the information that we've gotten and received over the last uh three and a half

[3:05:10] Voice 5: hours and uh we'll see you if not before i guess we'll see you on june 27th so i'm going to call

[3:05:17] Voice 5: the adjournment i'm going to close the meeting thank you that all of you joined us online