Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 31, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 11: the recording and uh if you could just like i don't want to just do it because i'm the meeting

[0:00:05] Voice 11: id too late okay but i've got questions now that i know i need to answer what i know what questions

[0:00:15] Voice 11: to ask next time okay i just have to pull up my agenda here thank you everybody for bearing with

[0:00:21] Voice 11: us i should say bearing with me may 31st okay i think i've got one more thing excuse me

[0:01:05] Voice 11: Thank you. Welcome everybody to the regular meeting. I just want to make sure I'm recording. Okay, regular meeting of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee. And I want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today from locations across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people.

[0:01:43] Voice 11: because we're going to have a couple of staff people and maybe applicants join us somehow,

[0:01:49] Voice 11: probably, through Simon's cell phone today. And here, I'm Sue Ellen Fast, Chair of the Denman Island

[0:01:57] Voice 11: Local Trust Committee, and I come from Bowen Island, also known as Nuklelequem or Kualakam,

[0:02:03] Voice 11: and that's in the territory of the Squamish people here. I know this is mostly

[0:02:10] Voice 11: Komox Nation. And I'm joined here today by Denman Island trustees, Laura Bershaken, and

[0:02:18] Voice 11: Trustee Bershaken, can you say the name of this island, one of the names?

[0:02:22] Voice 11: Kleishteych.

[0:02:23] Voice 11: Kleishteych, thank you. And also Clyde Trustee David Critchney, thank you. And together we

[0:02:29] Voice 11: make up the Denman Island Local Trust Committee. Good morning, and come on in and join us.

[0:02:33] Voice 11: We've got about five people in the, in the members of the public in the hall with us

[0:02:38] Voice 11: here today. Since we've switched to in-person meetings on Denman, we haven't

[0:02:44] Voice 11: tried to use

[0:02:45] Voice 11: the Zoom or the live stream yet due to bandwidth limitations and technical limitations on my

[0:02:52] Voice 11: side. Today we made an attempt earlier, this is why we're running late, to use those tools

[0:02:57] Voice 11: and we're going to keep working on it until we can find a way to good hybrid meetings.

[0:03:02] Voice 11: So here we're recording the meeting, and it'll be posted to the website later.

[0:03:10] Voice 11: It's just not live stream or live Zoom.

[0:03:12] Voice 11: So we've got some staff members joining us today.

[0:03:14] Voice 11: Peggy Baughman is our minute taker, she carries the professional minutes that are required under the legislation of British Columbia.

[0:03:22] Voice 11: And Sonia Zubanets is our planning planner.

[0:03:25] Voice 11: and this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make

[0:03:29] Voice 11: decisions about land use planning matters OCP land use bylaw and discuss

[0:03:36] Voice 11: relevant business so I wanted to mention it's also a place of employment for

[0:03:42] Voice 11: staff in the room and staff who are joining remotely so if everybody can

[0:03:48] Voice 11: help me keep this to being a safe and respectful meeting that would be much

[0:03:54] Voice 11: appreciated. I also brought some, another participant with us today, a little piece of

[0:04:00] Voice 11: nature. Here we've got a Kildare. Just to remind us that this is a meeting of the

[0:04:05] Voice 11: Islands Trust and we're about preserve and protect the natural amenities of

[0:04:10] Voice 11: the, sorry, the amenities of the islands. And so I'm going to, with that I'd like to

[0:04:18] Voice 11: move to the agenda and I believe we've got some addendum items and we'll come back to this at the

[0:04:30] Voice 11: at the end of the meeting I'm just going to ask the camera to move to pick up

[0:04:36] Voice 7: Laura there can

[0:04:38] Voice 11: you move around a little bit say something

[0:04:40] Voice 11: I

[0:04:40] Voice 7: am. Here

[0:04:41] Voice 11: I am. Okay. Excuse me, my little book doesn't always pay attention. Hi, everyone. There we go. Okay.

[0:04:57] Voice 11: Okay. So then, looking at our agenda today, let's call a meeting to order, and so some of these things may shift around on the agenda today, but just to let everybody know, the agenda is obviously available on the website,

[0:05:18] Voice 11: and we've got a couple of delegates with us today, and then we'll move through until we've got a break scheduled for 12.45,

[0:05:25] Voice 11: 5 and then we're going to continue the meeting until probably 2 o'clock or so on the agenda

[0:05:35] Voice 11: today. And people of the agenda, what are these addenda that I've been getting notes

[0:05:44] Voice 11: about today? The

[0:05:45] Voice 9: correspondence for the endless farming practice as well as the bylaws. I

[0:05:52] Voice 9: I felt that it was necessary for those bylaws to be on this agenda, not just last night's agenda.

[0:05:57] Voice 9: If you are considering any changes, they should have been attached.

[0:06:01] Voice 9: Okay. I thought they were. Okay.

[0:06:04] Voice 11: And, um, farming.

[0:06:09] Voice 11: Okay, so everybody's got lots of chances to look at the, um,

[0:06:12] Voice 11: Do we have a number?

[0:06:14] Voice 11: Yeah, well,

[0:06:15] Voice 11: the correspondence piece will go to 11.1.

[0:06:19] Voice 11: Um, that's correspondence for farm logic.

[0:06:24] Voice 11: Denman Farming Project, Farming Plan.

[0:06:27] Voice 9: Farming Regulation Survey Project. Okay, thank you.

[0:06:30] Voice 11: I don't have

[0:06:31] Voice 7: this, um, agenda, which concerns me, so is there clicky?

[0:06:37] Voice 11: Uh, last

[0:06:38] Voice 7: night by email. By email, okay.

[0:06:41] Voice 7: I

[0:06:42] Voice 9: believe the correspondence. They're in the web lab? Yeah, they're on our website as well.

[0:06:46] Voice 9: Okay. I didn't get any. Yep.

[0:06:48] Voice 9: And what

[0:06:51] Voice 11: was the second one? Another

[0:06:52] Voice 9: correspondence.

[0:06:52] Voice 11: So

[0:06:53] Voice 9: the other one

[0:06:53] Voice 11: was just the copies of the bylaws that go...

[0:06:56] Voice 11: That's

[0:06:56] Voice 9: a 9.1 problem.

[0:06:58] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:07:01] For the public, yeah.

[0:07:15] Voice 11: So it's all easy to find in the one place.

[0:07:18] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:07:20] Voice 3: Oh, yes.

[0:07:21] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:07:22] Voice 11: What would you like to add?

[0:07:24] Voice 3: Wi-Fi upgrade.

[0:07:26] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:07:27] Voice 11: What is it?

[0:07:28] Voice 11: Wi-Fi upgrade.

[0:07:29] Voice 3: So

[0:07:30] Voice 11: we put that under new business, 12.2.

[0:07:34] Voice 11: Anything

[0:07:44] Voice 7: else, trustees? I'm just working on getting that, yeah, that was my move, I'm multitasking, yes, Natalie, right, okay, me too,

[0:07:58] Voice 11: as I find my way to the agenda, here we go, May 31st, okay, sorry everybody to be running a little bit behind there, but can I have a motion to approve the agenda then?

[0:08:14] Voice 7: So moved to approve the agenda as amended.

[0:08:17] Voice 11: As amended,

[0:08:17] Voice 11: thank you. And seconder?

[0:08:19] Voice 11: Yes, sir.

[0:08:19] Voice 11: Thank you. All in favour?

[0:08:21] Voice 11: Aye.

[0:08:22] Voice 11: Okay, thank you. That passes. And here we are, 10 to 45. Okay.

[0:08:30] Voice 11: Rising report.

[0:08:33] Voice 11: Gosh, I don't have anything in front of me here. I don't think I've got anything to rise in report.

[0:08:40] Voice 11: So, I'm going to, just that we held an in-camera meeting on November the 2nd.

[0:08:46] Voice 11: And then we're going to move on to trustee reports, 4.1, and who would like to go first?

[0:08:54] Voice 11: You want to go first, David?

[0:08:55] Voice 3: Certainly.

[0:08:56] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:08:59] Voice 3: So, firstly, I attended the farm plan review meeting that we held in this very room, April 29th,

[0:09:13] Voice 3: a special electronic meeting.

[0:09:16] Voice 3: Also, a matter that isn't really a trust matter, but is of interest generally,

[0:09:22] Voice 3: That was the gentleman I held, a newcomer event.

[0:09:29] Voice 3: It hasn't been held for many years.

[0:09:32] Voice 3: It was very well attended, and the gymnasium here was able to meet various newcomers.

[0:09:43] Voice 3: It was done in a way that people who were newcomers had red-colored badges so they were identifiable.

[0:09:50] Voice 3: And it was just a meet and greet with food and beverages and extremely pleasant and very useful.

[0:10:00] Voice 3: We got actually very positive feedback on the trust from newcomers.

[0:10:05] Voice 3: I also attended a trust programs committee meeting which was largely concerned with trust policy statement review and how we proceed from here.

[0:10:18] Voice 3: That committee will be having a special meeting in June, which will be an in-person meeting

[0:10:27] Voice 3: at the time.

[0:10:28] Voice 3: At that meeting, we also made recommendations for community stewardship awards, which I

[0:10:37] Voice 3: can't tell you about because it was all confidential, but it will come on trust council.

[0:10:42] Voice 3: Also, I just want to give a little update on ferry advisory committee, which was, it's

[0:10:52] Voice 3: It's actually not the Ferry Advisory Committee per se, but it's sort of the parallel organization of FAC members.

[0:11:02] Voice 3: Some members were able to attend a meeting with the Minister of Transportation and also our MLA in Victoria,

[0:11:12] Voice 3: Victoria, which was reported back as being very, very well received that there were promises

[0:11:22] Voice 3: to take the concerns further to the BC Ferries Corp.

[0:11:29] Voice 3: That is, of course, the background being the great overwhelming wait times for ferries,

[0:11:37] Voice 3: especially during the summer season when the army, tourists in particular, arrive in large

[0:11:46] Voice 3: numbers. So although that meeting was reported as being very positive, we've since had a

[0:11:54] Voice 3: communication from BCFIS informing that essentially there's not much going to change before this

[0:12:01] Voice 3: year. So people are very unhappy with that, finding it unacceptable. So where we go from

[0:12:09] Voice 3: now, I don't know. That news was only received a couple of days ago. They are making a couple

[0:12:17] Voice 3: of things. They said that they would change or have different ferry fares, lower ferry fares to encourage traffic at the less than peak times, try to spread out the traffic. I don't think that's going to help much locally here at all. And they did undertake to continue with their shuttling policy, which really isn't news at all.

[0:12:44] Voice 3: situation so it's going to be bleak for this summer sort of gird yourselves for massive

[0:12:49] Voice 3: labs and have a novel or something handy to keep you occupied so that's what we're doing

[0:12:57] Voice 3: thank you very

[0:12:58] Voice 3: much thank you

[0:12:59] Voice 7: i'll be brief because we started late and i have a lot of

[0:13:04] Voice 7: business um i went to most of the same meetings as david farm plan or no farming regularly i went to

[0:13:13] Voice 7: the newcomers meeting and had really good conversations it's um really good to get out

[0:13:20] Voice 7: there as a trustee i think that um covid has uh had a really difficult impact on people's ability

[0:13:28] Voice 7: we didn't even know what the trust is until we connected to it, you know, and yeah, so that was good.

[0:13:38] Voice 7: I also attended a regional planning committee meeting, so for people who are listening, that's a trust-wide committee,

[0:13:46] Voice 7: a trust council for the whole trust area, looking at the regional aspect of planning.

[0:13:54] Voice 7: We talked a lot about all the scientific work done around groundwater mapping and protection.

[0:14:04] Voice 7: A lot of trustees feel some frustration about that because we want to see the product, we want to get them working.

[0:14:11] Voice 7: But it is kind of like groundwater. A lot is happening where we can't see it.

[0:14:15] Voice 7: And it's like multi-year science projects that are starting to come to fruition and there will be reports that are starting to be put to use where they have come to fruition to help guide development and, you know, use decisions.

[0:14:31] Voice 7: So, I was glad to learn that. We also talked a lot about this initiative to ask the provincial government to create some kind of housing authority or housing body for the trust area.

[0:14:51] Voice 7: It's complex, like it's just a complex how to ask. Well, yeah, how to ask for that in a way that isn't just, you know, window dressing.

[0:15:01] Voice 7: And what we're really asking for and why, how to make a case that the Islands Trust deserves, or the Islands Trust area, because it wouldn't be the Islands Trust, would deserve some kind of special treatment when the province is hearing continually from all over BC that, you know, really, you know, horrifying tales of the impacts of the housing crisis.

[0:15:29] Voice 7: So that's a work in progress. And I continue to hold the occasional, I call it two in my trustee, I go to the cafe, people come and talk to me.

[0:15:39] Voice 7: It's been great. I haven't done it lately because I've not worked on Saturdays and I've been away a lot, but I'll keep doing that.

[0:15:49] Voice 7: I get a lot of calls, like regular people, about issues or what they want to do on their property.

[0:15:57] Voice 7: Again, I really feel like there's a lot of opportunity for the Trust to get its story out more, and I know, and maybe you can answer this, I know that there was an initiative, I know very well, to send out information packages to newcomers, have those been sent out?

[0:16:20] Voice 7: wonderful that's really good and I think I'll get in touch with those should be

[0:16:23] Voice 7: I think everyone should know they're available because not all newcomers buy

[0:16:27] Voice 7: property and that's I think how we identify those just yeah really seeing

[0:16:33] Voice 7: that people want to know more about the trust and it really helps them okay

[0:16:42] Voice 11: thank you I am yeah just to continue with the information that was mailed out

[0:16:47] Voice 11: That was mailed in prior to the most recent public participation opportunities for the Trust Policy Statement,

[0:16:59] Voice 11: where the team with the consultants came to the Islands to speak to people.

[0:17:05] Voice 11: So that mailing is there. Yes, there's a new RAC card and a bunch of information about the Islands Trust,

[0:17:12] Voice 11: So please get in touch with Claire's team, or just the front desk even at the Islands Trust, and they will help with that.

[0:17:22] Voice 11: I'll just give a really brief report.

[0:17:24] Voice 11: Last week, I was on the board of the Islands Trust Conservancy, which is the nature arm of the Islands Trust.

[0:17:34] Voice 11: And they're up to, they've protected now 111 properties across the Islands Trust area.

[0:17:40] Voice 11: area, and last week we learned that the Species at Risk funding that we were receiving from

[0:17:48] Voice 11: the federal government had been extended for another three years, and they got a top-up

[0:17:54] Voice 11: of the grant for the current year.

[0:17:56] Voice 11: So good relationship there, they were happy with the, the federal government is happy

[0:18:03] Voice 11: with the partnership and the funding continues, and so anyway it's always very positive to

[0:18:08] Voice 11: to go to those meetings where you're protecting nature,

[0:18:12] Voice 11: refuges, and also conservation governments,

[0:18:17] Voice 11: including the Natural Areas Tax Exemption Program,

[0:18:20] Voice 11: for anybody who's interested in their options

[0:18:23] Voice 11: for protecting nature and how they can do it.

[0:18:29] Voice 11: That was Tuesday during the day,

[0:18:31] Voice 11: and then Tuesday at four o'clock,

[0:18:32] Voice 11: I entered Bowen Island Municipality as a councillor,

[0:18:37] Voice 11: a public hearing, a regular council

[0:18:39] Voice 11: meeting, a closed council meeting. So that was a

[0:18:41] Voice 11: 12-hour day, and

[0:18:43] Voice 11: although not much

[0:18:45] Voice 11: traveling because one of them was

[0:18:47] Voice 11: on Zoom. Then I had an executive committee

[0:18:49] Voice 11: the next day. So this is the

[0:18:51] Voice 11: four vice chairs

[0:18:53] Voice 11: and the chair

[0:18:54] Voice 11: meet together with senior staff

[0:18:56] Voice 11: and look at

[0:18:59] Voice 11: the bylaws coming and advance

[0:19:01] Voice 11: the general business of the trust.

[0:19:03] Voice 11: And then those agendas are

[0:19:05] Voice 11: all online too.

[0:19:07] Voice 11: And then I had Gambier, local trust committee, the next day.

[0:19:10] Voice 11: So that one we met in North Vancouver and held a meeting there.

[0:19:15] Voice 11: And I want to mention to everybody that trust council is coming up in June.

[0:19:19] Voice 11: It's going to be electronic on Zoom.

[0:19:22] Voice 11: So that will be, oops, there goes my pen.

[0:19:26] Voice 11: That will be the 21st to 22nd and the 23rd.

[0:19:30] Voice 11: and if you're interested in being a delegation there the timelines are

[0:19:37] Voice 11: already coming so you're welcome to participate that will be on the Tuesday

[0:19:42] Voice 11: night the 21st I believe we're still a executive part of what the executive

[0:19:46] Voice 11: committee does is arrange those agendas so that's still in the works of being

[0:19:52] Voice 11: planned and in your agenda on page 15.1 are the highlights from the previous

[0:19:59] Voice 11: trust council meeting, just so you can see that kind of area-wide, trust area-wide work

[0:20:04] Voice 11: that happens there, the decisions that are made.

[0:20:08] Voice 11: Okay, so I'm going to go, Director Arbour is not with us today, so I'd like to move

[0:20:14] Voice 11: on now to the town hall portion of the agenda, and this is a chance for you to have your

[0:20:23] Voice 11: saying and give your input to the Denman High School Trust Committee. I think there's some

[0:20:31] Voice 11: pamphlets at the back there. Yeah, go ahead. Just a

[0:20:33] Voice 9: reminder of our public hearing. Right.

[0:20:39] Voice 11: So this is just a, what Sonia was saying is that because we had the public hearing yesterday

[0:20:47] Voice 11: about the Denman Housing Association project the laws of British Columbia say

[0:20:55] Voice 11: that we cannot hear more we cannot hear more about that particular project today

[0:21:03] Voice 11: so if you're going to say things in the town hall please try and avoid that

[0:21:10] Voice 11: because I will we won't be able to hear it but just there's a few guidelines

[0:21:18] Voice 11: guidelines here if anybody wants to see them. Did you put some in the back?

[0:21:21] Voice 11: Okay, I'll just put a couple of these here.

[0:21:25] Voice 11: Okay, thank you. It's just guidelines for how

[0:21:32] Voice 11: and what it's all about if anybody is interested.

[0:21:36] Voice 11: We've got 10 minutes on the agenda. A chance to speak to the local trust committee.

[0:21:41] Voice 11: You don't need to sign up or anything.

[0:21:44] Voice 8: Two

[0:21:44] Voice 11: minutes to talk in case there's lots of other people that want to say something.

[0:21:49] Voice 11: And if you're an applicant, then you can speak later when the decision comes up on the agenda.

[0:21:57] Voice 11: So I'm

[0:21:58] Voice 1: going to ask

[0:21:58] Voice 11: us who would like to speak to the Denham Trust Committee in Town Hall today?

[0:22:06] Voice 11: Everybody's talked out after yesterday.

[0:22:08] Voice 11: Anybody want to give some comments?

[0:22:10] Voice 11: Two minutes.

[0:22:11] Voice 11: If you could say your name and tell us what you'd like to say.

[0:22:15] Voice 11: Here's this chair and table.

[0:22:18] Voice 11: All right.

[0:22:19] Voice 11: I

[0:22:20] Voice 2: want to encourage the trust to do all they can to make affordable housing for people.

[0:22:30] Voice 2: I keep seeing notices, mother, daughter, looking for a place to live, can't afford a place to live, been here for a long time.

[0:22:37] Voice 2: There is a recognizably not adequate housing for people who are not well-to-do.

[0:22:45] Voice 2: I think we need to look at all the avenues we have, and look, try to be creative.

[0:22:52] Voice 2: How can we make it to people who are not affluent?

[0:22:59] Voice 2: And if we can, I encourage you to do that. That's my main point.

[0:23:05] Voice 11: Thank you very much. Thank you.

[0:23:08] Voice 11: Anybody else like to speak in the town hall?

[0:23:13] Voice 11: Okay, go ahead. And not specific to the application, but please go ahead.

[0:23:20] Voice 4: Okay, no, I don't think we need two minutes.

[0:23:22] Voice 4: I just wanted to make a comment about affordable housing. I've been here for just over 10 years now.

[0:23:27] Voice 4: When I first came, the housing I had immediately was threatened by the Bullings, by mistrust.

[0:23:33] Voice 4: I decided to back off on those Bullings. Since then, I've lived in about 9 different houses, and only one of them was legal.

[0:23:42] Voice 4: I was going to rent a studio apartment recently, and I've accepted the idea that I'm going to pay over $1,000 in rent,

[0:23:48] Voice 4: which is more than they ever have in my entire life, and yet just before actually renting the place,

[0:23:54] Voice 4: they wanted to check the rules and apparently I can rent it as a B&B but not as a rental. That to me

[0:24:01] Voice 4: seems kind of odd that we're allowed to encourage tourism and many other things but not locals to

[0:24:07] Voice 4: live and work on farms. So that's my issue with the current law that exists and I would encourage

[0:24:13] Voice 4: I would encourage island trusts to consider many other options for affordable housing other than building a compound or a new location that will actually do more damage to the island than letting someone live in one of the many thousands of houses that are empty because of the current asylum.

[0:24:29] Voice 4: Okay, so that's all I have to say. I would like to stay on this island if I can, but the current point of finding an illegal house is almost...

[0:24:37] Voice 11: Thank you very much, and would you like to give your name?

[0:24:40] Voice 4: Uh, no.

[0:24:40] Voice 11: you don't have to okay great and thank you and um if you want to check in with staff

[0:24:46] Voice 11: um you can ask questions about rules and things like that or you can do it online by email or

[0:24:53] Voice 11: anything like that uh after the meeting okay i

[0:24:56] Voice 4: do know that most of them look like housing but they

[0:24:58] Voice 4: are not feasible to actually yeah just

[0:25:02] Voice 11: your that specific question that you just described okay

[0:25:06] Voice 4: that's a statement okay please do something right

[0:25:09] Voice 11: okay thank you anybody else like to speak to us in

[0:25:13] Voice 11: town hall then we're going to move on thank you very much for your input and we're going to go

[0:25:26] Voice 11: on now to delegations so here we've got 10 minutes per delegation we've got two delegations today

[0:25:32] Voice 11: and the first one we're starting on page four in our agenda

[0:25:36] Voice 11: package for those who are following

[0:25:38] Voice 11: along and uh please take it away harley for

[0:25:43] Voice 8: any of you who are not mastered don't reach at this time

[0:25:46] Voice 8: there's six copies of what i'm almost not quite going to be able to say which you're welcome to

[0:25:54] Voice 8: thank you you know in terms of i will go home and get out to my farm okay uh according to our 2022

[0:26:06] Voice 8: trust-wide governance review report well i

[0:26:10] Voice 1: always trust lacks

[0:26:11] Voice 8: both the comprehensive analysis of the

[0:26:14] Voice 8: trust area capacity to sustain current population and activity and its ability to accommodate more

[0:26:22] Voice 8: growth and development especially in light of climate change and other considerations end quote

[0:26:28] Voice 8: also according to the government's review and i quote a multitude of federal provincial and other

[0:26:35] Voice 8: organizations that policy and make decisions with significant impact for the trust area's

[0:26:40] Voice 8: environment and well-being strengthening relations with these organizations is essential to achieve

[0:26:47] Voice 8: harmonizing complementary policies and practices in support of the preserve and protect object

[0:26:53] Voice 8: how many people can inhabit explore and play on a finite island without disrupting the island's

[0:27:02] Voice 8: web of life the amenities the island's trust was created

[0:27:05] Voice 8: The National Geographic Society writes, and I quote,

[0:27:10] Voice 8: carrying capacity can be defined as a species average population size in a particular habitat.

[0:27:17] Voice 8: The species population size is limited by environment factors like adequate food, shelter, water, and mates.

[0:27:25] Voice 8: If these needs are not met, the population will decrease until the resource rebounds, end of quote.

[0:27:32] Voice 8: Humans are not constrained by these limits, while non-human forms can neither travel to replace depleted nutrients nor purchase cisterns to provide water.

[0:27:44] Voice 8: However, humans can and do destroy environmental factors critical to the survival of plants and animals.

[0:27:52] Voice 8: If an environment becomes sufficiently degraded, humans have the option to live elsewhere.

[0:27:58] Voice 8: Thus carrying the passion needs to be defined in terms of protecting the environment.

[0:28:03] Voice 8: So what can the Local Trust Committee do?

[0:28:07] Voice 8: It can enact bylaws to set limits on land use and build out and update the official community plan, which is the OCP,

[0:28:15] Voice 8: to best represent the residents' collective stewardship of this finite island.

[0:28:20] Voice 8: Additionally, the Local Trust Committee represents three of 22 trustees who make up the Trust Council.

[0:28:28] Voice 8: And these voices should call for trust care and capacity safeguards,

[0:28:33] Voice 8: plus advocacy to extend safeguards to the policies and actions of other levels of government.

[0:28:39] Voice 8: So my first section is water, I then talk about land, and then I talk about housing and diversity.

[0:28:46] Voice 8: Underwater, the Local Trust Committee initiative to study freshwater sustainability is framed

[0:28:53] Voice 8: as, I quote, the first phase of determining carrying capacity of the islands, end quote.

[0:28:59] Voice 8: To me, quantifying aquifers in fractured rock is rather like counting unicorns.

[0:29:08] Voice 8: It's easiest to count and colorfully portray something no one can see using terms such

[0:29:15] Voice 8: such as Leniment TW1 Wetness Coefficient, and quote on top of it.

[0:29:22] Voice 8: Protecting wetlands and

[0:29:23] Voice 8: watersheds is both pragmatic and long overdue.

[0:29:26] Voice 8: A measure of the limits to carrying capacity can be seen with the growing number of water deliveries.

[0:29:33] Voice 8: The Farm Regulation Project could recommend changes to the bylaws and the OCP

[0:29:38] Voice 8: to protect sources of groundwater recharge on 46% of Denman Island,

[0:29:44] Voice 8: the area designated as agricultural land reserve unfortunately the project could also recommend

[0:29:52] Voice 8: further enshrining amr parcels as impervious to environmental protection the local trust

[0:30:00] Voice 8: could use local knowledge and accurate mapping as a basis, mapping that predates the current

[0:30:06] Voice 8: mapping by Google. Freshwater protection requirements could be introduced in parallel with subdivision

[0:30:13] Voice 8: and rezoning applications to reduce the impact of development, including the negative impact

[0:30:19] Voice 8: of roads, driveways, and ditches. Some general regulatory changes could also be redefined.

[0:30:26] Voice 8: One, what coverage? To include surfaces covered by non-permeable surfaces, and two, redefine structures to include non-permeable ground, level, pavement, driveways, vehicle parking, and sidewalks.

[0:30:43] Voice 8: The LTC could pressure the Trust Council to negotiate changes in the Ministry of Transportation approach to road construction and ditching, so as to neither drain nor disrupt wetlands and streams.

[0:30:57] Voice 8: Additionally, landowners could be required to obtain a permit to channel water into roadside ditches.

[0:31:04] Voice 8: Water that is directed into the ocean does not recharge groundwater.

[0:31:08] Voice 8: one section on land in 2019 state of the island report appears to be based on anthropocentric

[0:31:18] Voice 8: vision a combination of outdated outdated data and a bucket list of what scientific research

[0:31:26] Voice 8: might reveal the 2019 report sets a threshold of 30 to 40 percent for the natural areas

[0:31:34] Voice 8: converting, this is a quote, for human use in the island's trust area, end quote.

[0:31:41] Voice 8: As of 2019, 16.4% of land in the trust area has been converted into roads compared to

[0:31:49] Voice 8: that, quote unquote, protected area land accounting for 25%.

[0:31:55] Voice 8: Add to this the

[0:31:56] Voice 8: island's trust conservancy declaration that 25% of Denman Island is conserved

[0:32:01] Voice 8: land. To support climate diversity, how big an area is big enough if humans get to

[0:32:07] Voice 8: convert the rest? If damaged, conserved areas are open to recreational use for

[0:32:15] Voice 8: trail building, signage and toilets, does conservation merely translate into no

[0:32:20] Voice 8: residential or industrial use? Moreover, how much of the protected land has

[0:32:26] Voice 8: already been degraded by logging and there's little to protect or

[0:32:31] Voice 8: concern at this time. Parks clearly have a commercial aspect and a history of increasing

[0:32:37] Voice 8: commercialization. Past plans for destination camping facilities and RV parking have only

[0:32:44] Voice 8: been averted thanks to the community's strong negative response. As a consequence, the local

[0:32:52] Voice 8: trust committee should regularly meet with the regional and provincial park administrators as

[0:32:57] Voice 8: per ocp e3 conservation recreation atmosphere policies one to six as well as updating these

[0:33:06] Voice 8: policies in light of the adequate plan and the pressure of recreational tourism particularly

[0:33:12] Voice 8: with growing urban populations in the commons valley and climate change disasters in bc

[0:33:18] Voice 8: recreational areas the local trust committee should add a strong voice on trust council for

[0:33:25] Voice 8: for hiring a qualified expert in biodiversity

[0:33:27] Voice 8: to best protect existing reserves

[0:33:31] Voice 8: and to recommend and justify new reserves.

[0:33:34] Voice 8: Expert analysis would enable

[0:33:37] Voice 8: the local trust committee's implementation

[0:33:39] Voice 8: of development permit areas

[0:33:41] Voice 8: for protection of the natural environment.

[0:33:44] Voice 8: According to the Viridian report, quote,

[0:33:47] Voice 8: reserves should be representative

[0:33:49] Voice 8: of all the ecosystem present in an area.

[0:33:53] Voice 8: area. Today, the trust seems to focus on single specimens, for example, Coastal Douglas fir

[0:33:59] Voice 8: or eelgrass. The next section is housing and diversity. There's a real possibility that

[0:34:06] Voice 8: conserved land will be used to justify increased density elsewhere on the island, and that

[0:34:13] Voice 8: areas with adequate fresh water will be focused on clustered and using the RFR zoning condominiums.

[0:34:21] Voice 8: All decisions should be made with regard to hearing capacity in the way, one, population pressure will increase, two, land costs will continue to escalate, three, humans convert the natural environment either intentionally or by accident, and four, environmental degradation, pollution, road traffic, and demand for

[0:34:42] Voice 8: services increases as population increases.

[0:34:46] Voice 8: The present Local Trust Committee has consistently adopted measures that increase density without reference to care and capacity.

[0:34:55] Voice 8: Suites were allowed but not counted as densities. Enforcement of housing violence was suspended and currently the doubling of density and 46% of denmin in the ALR is contemplated.

[0:35:07] Voice 8: The OCP contains the affirmation, this affirmation is part of its vision statement, quote, we will use innovative options to promote the diversity of age and financial needs within the carrying capacity of the island, end quote.

[0:35:25] Voice 8: quote. What do you have? One more minute left. The OCP also states this objective, quote,

[0:35:31] Voice 8: to identify, preserve, and protect the integrity of the natural ecosystems on Denman Island

[0:35:37] Voice 8: and the adjacent islands, including the foreshore and intertidal areas. This object could be

[0:35:43] Voice 8: understood as a highest priority in land use planning, end quote. And then I have a series

[0:35:49] Voice 8: of things that I think the local trust committee should consider, and I would like to be able

[0:35:54] Voice 8: read those. Go ahead. Following your possibilities. Limit the square footage of houses to reduce

[0:36:01] Voice 8: the burden of starter casks. Reduce lot coverage in all zones to discourage overbuilding. Encourage

[0:36:09] Voice 8: imagination of lots, especially in R1. Create a more time on small lot subdivisions. Recognize

[0:36:17] Voice 8: that cluster housing is not a panacea. Clusters rarely benefit the environment,

[0:36:24] Voice 8: seldom suit a rural setting, and impose collectivity with strangers. Work with the

[0:36:30] Voice 8: bona fide farmers to seek a solution to the problem of succession, with the farmer retiring

[0:36:35] Voice 8: on the land in order to preserve existing farms. G, promote the housing option in the existing

[0:36:44] Voice 8: bylaw definition, quote, dwelling unit, one or more rooms in a building containing a single

[0:36:50] Voice 8: set of cooking facilities and used or intended to be used as a residence by an individual

[0:36:56] Voice 8: or a group of individuals living together in

[0:37:00] Voice 8: common occupancy. End quote. Low-income

[0:37:03] Voice 8: and retired residents might prefer this option to cluster housing. Last one, enforce existing

[0:37:09] Voice 8: existing regulations that disallow vacation rentals and short-term rentals other than

[0:37:15] Voice 8: the bed and breakfast. And on

[0:37:17] Voice 1: my last statement, caring

[0:37:18] Voice 8: capacity is a benchmark. Only if it

[0:37:20] Voice 8: can effectively be enacted and upheld and informed in a participating community is an

[0:37:26] Voice 8: essential component where collective good outweighs individual sticking points. If much

[0:37:32] Voice 1: of this

[0:37:32] Voice 8: could be implemented, there would be room for more people in this community.

[0:37:36] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:37:37] Voice 8: Thank you very much.

[0:37:40] Voice 11: Thank you very much, Delegate Harvey Holmes.

[0:37:44] Voice 11: And that was just over 12 minutes, it doesn't matter.

[0:37:48] Voice 11: I just

[0:37:49] Voice 11: wanted to flag, thank you very much for that careful submission.

[0:37:52] Voice 11: We're into the yellow zone, so I'd just like to open some doors and windows for air quality.

[0:38:00] Voice 11: I can do that too.

[0:38:02] Voice 11: Okay, thank you.

[0:38:04] Voice 11: Just letting people know, sometimes people don't.

[0:38:15] Voice 6: You're back here. Yeah, I thought that

[0:38:19] Voice 6: we might be in trouble.

[0:38:21] Voice 11: We are next delegation. Change, make a big change of the air, then we can close the wheat

[0:38:33] Voice 11: ripper noise again. Yeah.

[0:39:00] Voice 6: Stand watching videos. Thank you.

[0:39:04] Voice 11: Stand

[0:39:06] Voice 6: if you like, and please take it away.

[0:39:08] Voice 6: Thank you. My name is Rhianna Silva, as you know. I would like to acknowledge that I am

[0:39:14] Voice 6: I'm an uninvited guest, living on the land of the Kent Lodge people of the Co-Ox nation,

[0:39:19] Voice 6: and I'm grateful to the Co-Ox nation for peacefully continuing to allow us to occupy this land.

[0:39:28] Voice 6: Just want to say it's not a migrant thing which you've received.

[0:39:32] Voice 6: I do want to make a note that preserving and protecting Denman can be better served by limiting square footage,

[0:39:39] Voice 6: maximum square footage of single-family dwellings,

[0:39:42] Voice 6: by requiring water catchment for all homes or all new builds and cluster housing despite

[0:39:49] Voice 6: Harleen's contention has been proven to be lighter on the environment than single family

[0:39:55] Voice 6: dwellings. There are ways that we can both preserve and protect this island and the housing

[0:40:01] Voice 6: need. So back to my presentation, back in 2019 the Agricultural Land Commission of British

[0:40:09] Voice 6: columbia made a terrible mistake they removed the option for secondary homes on aur lands agricultural

[0:40:16] Voice 6: land reserve lands fortunately they realized their mistake which is why in only two years

[0:40:22] Voice 6: which is remarkably quickly for government time they rolled back their decision as of january 1st

[0:40:28] Voice 6: 2022 the alc now allows greater flexibility for farmers to provide housing options on aur lands

[0:40:35] Voice 6: The Devon Local Trust Committee has recently sought community engagement through the, I'm sorry,

[0:40:41] Voice 6: farm, YSET Road Farm Plan and Farm Regulations.

[0:40:44] Voice 6: Is that the right term?

[0:40:46] Voice 6: Farm Regulations Review.

[0:40:48] Voice 6: Farm Regulations Review.

[0:40:50] Voice 6: You have sought engagement, which indicates that you would like to know what our community of Devon Island thinks,

[0:40:55] Voice 6: and hopefully you will respond accordingly.

[0:40:58] Voice 6: Your survey has been responded to by approximately 115 residents.

[0:41:02] Voice 6: One of the problems with having a daytime meeting, people have to work, which is why there is not a lot of people here as well.

[0:41:20] Voice 6: Your survey has been responded to by approximately 150 residents and non-resident landowners.

[0:41:26] Voice 6: The petition that I present to you today contains 571 signatures, which represents greater engagement than you have received.

[0:41:36] Voice 6: This petition states, we, the undersigned residents and property owners of Denman Island,

[0:41:42] Voice 6: petition the Denman Island Local Trust Committee to, one, change by-law 228, land use by-law,

[0:41:48] Voice 6: and by-law 229, official community plan, to align with provincial agricultural land reserve

[0:41:54] Voice 6: regulations that went into effect January 1, 2022, by allowing secondary dwellings on

[0:42:00] Voice 6: all ALR lands.

[0:42:01] Voice 6: Two, to impose no restrictions beyond the provincial ones on these year-round dwellings.

[0:42:07] Voice 6: Three, to ensure that these dwellings are not used for vacation and other short-term rentals.

[0:42:15] Voice 6: Several hundreds of Denman Island residents and property owners have signed this petition

[0:42:19] Voice 6: because we, the undersigned, support our local farmers.

[0:42:23] Voice 6: So many signatures. So many. I'll give these all to you to get a better copy, Sonya.

[0:42:30] Voice 6: we support our local farmers and landowners being able to provide housing options

[0:42:35] Voice 6: whether it is for farm workers or to house family

[0:42:39] Voice 6: to provide a rental income to supplement the insecure realities of farming

[0:42:44] Voice 6: or for whatever reason a person may have to provide housing access to others

[0:42:50] Voice 6: while the fear of change and unforeseen consequences may seem like a compelling reason

[0:42:55] Voice 6: and for politicians to avoid necessary change. Maintaining the status quo is actively harming

[0:43:02] Voice 6: many members of our community. And I'm going to repeat that because it does bear me

[0:43:06] Voice 6: feeling, and it repeats to us every day, those of us who live in secure housing. Maintaining

[0:43:12] Voice 6: the status quo is actively harming many members of our community. Our community members clearly

[0:43:20] Voice 6: want the Delano Local Trust Committee to embrace and make the necessary changes to allow the

[0:43:25] Voice 6: secure housing of our Denman residents and to remove the daily stress of

[0:43:30] Voice 6: potential by law enforcement at people's homes. Perhaps you're tired of hearing me

[0:43:35] Voice 6: repeatedly calling for change to local housing bylaws. I know I'm getting tired.

[0:43:46] Voice 6: Please, perhaps hearing me in the words of other members of our community might

[0:43:51] Voice 6: help you to hear and then make the vital and immediate changes that must be made

[0:43:56] Voice 6: to our local land use bylaws.

[0:43:58] Voice 6: The following are

[0:43:59] Voice 1: direct quotes from many of

[0:44:00] Voice 6: the respondents to the petition

[0:44:03] Voice 6: that I am presenting to you right now.

[0:44:06] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:44:08] Voice 6: They are an answer to the question, why do you support this petition?

[0:44:14] Voice 6: There is a severe shortage of affordable housing for workers on this island.

[0:44:19] Voice 6: Because we need homes more than we need privileged desires.

[0:44:23] Voice 6: I believe in social housing and creative approaches.

[0:44:27] Voice 6: We're in crisis. Land, people, and nature need to be respected.

[0:44:32] Voice 6: Sharing resources, like land, lowers the negative impact on climate compared to single-family dwelling,

[0:44:38] Voice 6: where one family has one house and land.

[0:44:41] Voice 6: When we share, we only need one tractor, one lawnmower, etc.

[0:44:46] Voice 6: Sharing costs less, improves quality and connections with others, is friendly to the land we live on.

[0:44:53] Voice 6: Many hands make light work, and it's better for children.

[0:44:56] Voice 6: Single-family dwelling is a capitalistic concept to make people wealthy.

[0:45:01] Voice 6: Enough already.

[0:45:03] Voice 6: I support affordable housing.

[0:45:06] Voice 6: So many people are looking for a safe legal place to live and so many people want to farm.

[0:45:11] Voice 6: I want people to have homes.

[0:45:14] Voice 6: I'm signing because I've been advocating for a broad and fair liberation of housing by-laws on Daman Island for many years.

[0:45:20] Voice 6: In brief, I propose that secondary dwellings with important limitations but not disqualifications

[0:45:27] Voice 6: be permitted on all properties regardless of Island Trust land use zoning.

[0:45:32] Voice 6: I welcome an amendment to ALR policy in order to allow for a secondary dwelling on each

[0:45:38] Voice 6: property in the NLR.

[0:45:40] Voice 6: It's the right thing to do.

[0:45:44] Voice 6: Because affordable housing is a necessity to a thriving community, there's a house crisis

[0:45:50] Voice 6: on Devlin Island.

[0:45:51] Voice 6: As long as the application for a second home meets criteria, it should absolutely be allowed.

[0:45:58] Voice 6: We need more affordable housing. It affects all of us.

[0:46:04] Voice 6: I'm signing because I see tiny and small house dwellings as a way of including marginalized people among homeowners,

[0:46:10] Voice 6: giving them dignity and a sense of security.

[0:46:13] Voice 6: In addition, I would like to downsize to a tiny house in order to maximize the benefit of the capital I have accrued during my lifetime,

[0:46:21] Voice 6: so I can remain independent of my children as I age.

[0:46:27] Voice 6: Changes to ALR need to be respected and adopted by our local trust.

[0:46:32] Voice 6: I'm signing because I want to see local businesses and farms thrive on Denman.

[0:46:37] Voice 6: We need housing. We need much more housing.

[0:46:41] Voice 6: The trust needs to allow the changes made by the ALC.

[0:46:46] Voice 6: The lack of affordable, safe housing for workers on Denman has no end in sight,

[0:46:51] Voice 6: And if decisions are not made to create a solution at every possible opportunity, this community will quickly become one for only those with abundant resources.

[0:47:01] Voice 6: But who is going to serve this population at the general store, post office, liquor outlet?

[0:47:07] Voice 6: Make your coffee and lunch while providing a space to connect.

[0:47:10] Voice 6: Mow the lawns, eat the weeds, and tend gardens while retirees become unable.

[0:47:16] Voice 6: And provide end-of-life support to keep people in their homes.

[0:47:20] Voice 6: The people needing affordable housing are providing the day-to-day necessary services required to make a community function.

[0:47:27] Voice 6: Please, for heaven's sake, wire the barriers to making this happen.

[0:47:32] Voice 6: Please evolve with the times and current housing situation in our province and in our community.

[0:47:37] Voice 6: Please, please, please.

[0:47:40] Voice 6: Thank you for your time today. May each of you be safe at your homes.

[0:47:45] Voice 6: This is each of our rights as Canadian citizens to be safe in our homes.

[0:47:51] Voice 11: Thank you very much, Brianne.

[0:47:55] Voice 11: And thank you, we've received the petition.

[0:47:58] Voice 11: Very good.

[0:48:03] Voice 11: Thanks, everybody.

[0:48:05] Then we're going to move on to the agenda.

[0:48:10] Voice 11: Minutes.

[0:48:12] Voice 11: By the way, everybody, the carbon dioxide has come down and we're in the green zone again.

[0:48:19] Voice 11: I'm not at all positive.

[0:48:22] Voice 11: Obviously not.

[0:48:23] Voice 11: Well that was great, thank you very much.

[0:48:25] Voice 11: And we're going to move on to minutes now.

[0:48:27] Voice 11: We're on page 36

[0:48:29] Voice 11: of the agenda.

[0:48:31] Voice 11: Any changes, trustees, to the

[0:48:38] Voice 11: draft minutes that are in front of us?

[0:48:40] Voice 11: No? I see thumbs up

[0:48:42] Voice 11: there. And, uh, okay, so

[0:48:44] Voice 11: by consensus, shall we adopt the minutes?

[0:48:46] Voice 11: I see some nods.

[0:48:47] Voice 7: Okay, by consensus, the minutes

[0:48:50] Voice 11: of March 22nd are adopted.

[0:48:52] Voice 11: it and then special meeting minutes April 21st this is on page 48 of the

[0:48:59] Voice 11: agenda and any changes with this special meeting of the local trust committee

[0:49:07] Voice 11: that was held on April 21st? I

[0:49:09] Voice 3: might have a question on that.

[0:49:11] Voice 11: Okay. Or is

[0:49:12] Voice 3: it the next one? No it's the next one.

[0:49:16] Voice 11: Okay so this one we can adopt by consent?

[0:49:18] Voice 3: Alright very good.

[0:49:20] Voice 11: Check mark beside 7.2

[0:49:22] Voice 11: 7.3, special meeting minutes April 29th. So this starts on page 53. David, did you have something on this set of draft minutes?

[0:49:34] Voice 3: Sure. So at the top of page 56, it's referring to it as being moved and seconded with the DEMO Trust Committee bylaw number 242 cited as blah blah, be read a second time.

[0:49:47] Voice 3: Now, just before that, in the page preceding, we had actually amended that, so I'm

[0:49:58] Voice 3: wondering if the words as amended should be included there.

[0:50:02] Voice 3: We're

[0:50:15] Voice 11: looking at 56, where at the top of the page we read it a second time, but we didn't say amended.

[0:50:26] Voice 11: And yet, I'm looking up above it, and I don't...

[0:50:29] Voice 11: Oh yes,

[0:50:32] Voice 3: right above it.

[0:50:32] Voice 3: It would be

[0:50:33] Voice 11: amended by removing item two

[0:50:35] Voice 3: from its care of the soul.

[0:50:38] Voice 11: Yeah. However, if we didn't say amended, maybe that's what we actually passed, right?

[0:50:47] Voice 11: Probably it couldn't be amended.

[0:50:50] Voice 11: That's

[0:50:51] Voice 7: what this whole process is about, right?

[0:50:53] Voice 7: Yeah. Suggestion?

[0:50:55] Voice 7: I mean, it's my sense that we amended it and that we voted in favor of that and then immediately went on to read it a second time and that it was our intention to do that as amended.

[0:51:13] Voice 7: so I know with readings they're so legally precise and I'm not sure like

[0:51:22] Voice 7: I'm curious what staff advice is about simply like I would like to just correct

[0:51:28] Voice 7: the minutes by adding as amended to that motion is that legitimate I

[0:51:32] Voice 9: think that's fair considering I was a resolution prior to that so that action was carried yeah that was

[0:51:40] Voice 11: right above it there on previous page 55 so just to add

[0:51:44] Voice 11: as amended after

[0:51:46] Voice 7: the word red?

[0:51:47] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:51:48] Voice 11: It

[0:51:48] Voice 7: could go on almost anywhere.

[0:51:50] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:51:50] Voice 7: Or wherever you think it should go in there.

[0:51:52] Voice 7: Good catch.

[0:51:52] Voice 7: Good.

[0:51:53] Voice 11: So you're moving that amendment to the minutes

[0:51:57] Voice 11: and are you seconding that, Trustee?

[0:51:59] Voice 3: I think the word as amended should follow 2021.

[0:52:03] Voice 3: Sure, right.

[0:52:04] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:52:05] Voice 11: That's right, yeah.

[0:52:06] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:52:06] Voice 11: I can second that.

[0:52:07] Voice 11: Okay, so moved and seconded.

[0:52:09] Voice 11: Very good.

[0:52:10] Voice 11: Any more discussion?

[0:52:12] Voice 11: Okay, call the question.

[0:52:13] Voice 11: All those in favour? It's clear from the other parts of the draft minutes, that passes unanimously, thank you very much.

[0:52:19] Voice 11: Anything else in this set of minutes?

[0:52:23] Voice 11: Okay, very good. So then by consent, we're going to adopt the April 29th minutes as amended.

[0:52:30] Voice 11: Okay, thank you. Okay, checkmark beside 7.3.

[0:52:35] Voice 11: And then we're going to move on to business arising from the minutes. We've got the follow-up action list on page 59.

[0:52:44] Voice 11: Any questions for staff, trustees?

[0:52:50] Voice 11: No.

[0:52:51] Voice 11: No?

[0:52:51] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:52:52] Voice 11: Lots of things in progress and completed on this list, which is nice.

[0:52:57] Voice 11: And I can see staff are putting on,

[0:53:03] Voice 9: bringing in Heather.

[0:53:05] Voice 9: My apologies, we don't have a speaker.

[0:53:09] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:53:11] Voice 9: Let

[0:53:13] Voice 11: me know if you can't hear.

[0:53:17] Voice 11: Okay, you can hear us.

[0:53:19] Voice 11: That's good.

[0:53:20] Voice 11: Is that maximum?

[0:53:21] Voice 11: I'm just going to see if I can get the, I'm putting up the sound. There we go. Can you hear us now, Heather? I can hear you. Thank you. I'll take this mask off so I'm not so muffled. And thank you for joining us, Regional Planning Manager Heather Keller. This is Heather. And she's joining us for this section here on page 59 of the agenda.

[0:53:48] Voice 11: Sorry, 62. This is the fees by-law. Is that correct, Heather?

[0:53:53] Voice 5: That's right.

[0:53:55] Voice 5: Heather,

[0:56:11] Voice 11: so Regional Planning Manager Cowher, your staff recommendation is that the LTC adopt the model by-law column, the first column. Thank you.

[0:56:23] Voice 11: Okay, just so everybody's clear on that. Great. And any questions for the Regional Planning Manager? Trustees?

[0:56:34] Voice 3: Actually, if you could just refresh my memory on this, I know we discussed it at Trust Council,

[0:56:39] Voice 3: but in the background to all this, there were a couple of, I say, guideposts, I suppose,

[0:56:49] Voice 3: or objectives in constructing this, was to recover a certain percentage of what we calculate

[0:56:58] Voice 3: as being the average costs for each of these categories of application. Was that to try

[0:57:08] Voice 3: and recover 80% or something like that? There was also a survey of other municipal districts

[0:57:31] Voice 3: and what their charges were that was involved in sort of arriving at these figures, wasn't

[0:57:36] Voice 3: it? Yeah, that was my recollection. I'm hearing that somewhere along the line. Thank you.

[0:58:11] Voice 3: Thank

[0:58:11] Voice 11: you. Very good. And I agree with that. I remember that part of the discussion was that development should pay for development and that there was concerns in the trustees that we had a policy that costs should be recovered so that taxpayers weren't paying for it through their, taxpayers in general weren't subsidizing development through their property taxes.

[0:58:40] Voice 11: So that's part of the reason for doing this whole project. I agree with your recollection and I'm going to ask Trustee Boucher to speak to her proposal and anything you want to say, please go ahead.

[0:58:54] Voice 7: I'm, as you know, Chair of Regional Planning Committee, which is the committee that worked on this for really two years with a lot of discussion about all of those issues.

[0:59:05] Voice 7: and a few things i could add um yes there was a um a goal to recover and i remember the percentage

[0:59:13] Voice 7: but overall across the trust area a certain percentage um and um likewise uh when we asked

[0:59:24] Voice 7: as a committee staff for could you bring in other um areas fees so we could compare staff

[0:59:31] Voice 7: The staff group did not do that, and they said it's not comparable because we are so different, that we have, like, regional

[0:59:41] Voice 9: districts have completely

[0:59:42] Voice 7: other sources of income, they also generally don't have limits on development the way we have, and there's a certain impetus in regional districts and municipalities, there can be a desire to develop.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: to increase development, to bring in more property taxes

[1:00:04] Voice 7: and more people to come things.

[1:00:05] Voice 7: And I think none of that operates in the test area.

[1:00:10] Voice 7: And also, yeah, small communities,

[1:00:14] Voice 7: they tend to be even more rural than many rural areas,

[1:00:17] Voice 7: just a lot of differences.

[1:00:19] Voice 7: And so there was a real reluctance

[1:00:21] Voice 7: and the committee acquiesced to that,

[1:00:23] Voice 7: that yeah, we're not gonna base this on comparisons.

[1:00:27] Voice 7: It's also very different if you look at city versus rural,

[1:00:30] Voice 7: and that kind of thing. So putting that aside, I mean, it came up again and again in the committee discussions that a lot of islands, most islands had not put their fees up for a decade, over a decade, not even at the rate of inflation, and that this could be a really drastic jump very suddenly.

[1:00:59] Voice 7: And the question was posed, what if the island felt that this model of bylaw was too big of a change, too quickly, and the answer always was that they could bring something back to the executive committee and then it's up to the executive committee to decide.

[1:01:15] Voice 7: And that's the road I think that an island should take.

[1:01:20] Voice 7: I think that the idea that taxpayers don't want to subsidize development is fair enough,

[1:01:26] Voice 7: but the fact is most of these applications are not from developers.

[1:01:31] Voice 7: When we say development and developers, we think of something big and profit-oriented,

[1:01:36] Voice 7: and then yes, it should be part of the developer's budget.

[1:01:40] Voice 7: Most of the applications are single-family homes, small businesses.

[1:01:46] Voice 7: I mean, I remember in the middle of this talking to our guest house in the middle of COVID and they put in an application to put a roof over their outdoor tables because it was COVID and that was the only way they could stay open and provide the service they provide, which isn't just coffee, it's also a gathering place and being employers.

[1:02:06] Voice 7: lawyers, and they went through all of that, and yes, it was somewhat subsidized, but there's

[1:02:12] Voice 7: other examples of people just doing things that are really in the community interest

[1:02:17] Voice 7: or that are really minor, and also, I don't think that we're subsidizing development.

[1:02:23] Voice 7: What it's actually paying for is professional staff to oversee development and make sure

[1:02:28] Voice 7: that it falls within the preserve and protect mandate, that it follows all the rules, that

[1:02:33] Voice 7: that all the environmental studies are done if necessary,

[1:02:37] Voice 7: that public process is done,

[1:02:38] Voice 7: we're actually paying for oversight on development

[1:02:41] Voice 7: and not development.

[1:02:42] Voice 7: So I don't really, I think it's more complex.

[1:02:46] Voice 7: I think it's oversimplifying to say,

[1:02:47] Voice 7: we think developers should pay for development.

[1:02:50] Voice 7: Of course they should.

[1:02:52] Voice 7: So that's why I did go through this

[1:02:55] Voice 7: and what I tried to do is,

[1:02:59] Voice 7: gosh, it's been a couple months.

[1:03:00] Voice 7: I think, I believe, I set a limit that nothing will go up more than 50% as being just something that is, I mean, maybe it's random, but just psychologically and for the community, that's already a big job.

[1:03:18] Voice 7: And

[1:03:19] Voice 1: there are just a few,

[1:03:20] Voice 1: there's actually a few items where what

[1:03:21] Voice 7: I suggest is more than the model bylaw, but still within the 20%.

[1:03:26] Voice 7: and those were all strategic.

[1:03:28] Voice 7: And otherwise, there's a few things that I think really

[1:03:32] Voice 7: respond to

[1:03:33] Voice 7: the needs and flavor of our community

[1:03:35] Voice 7: that I think, which is continuing to have

[1:03:39] Voice 7: a lowered rate for affordable housing applications.

[1:03:44] Voice 7: We don't get very many.

[1:03:46] Voice 7: I know they're very demanding on staff time

[1:03:49] Voice 7: and really the difference between $1,000 or $500

[1:03:53] Voice 7: or a couple thousand.

[1:03:55] Voice 7: It's not going to pay for that amount anyways. And these are, you know, well, we've heard enough about it over the last 24 hours. I mean, the affordable housing projects are hugely demanding of volunteer time and community fundraising and all of that. And I think that they don't happen very often and they go very slowly. So this isn't going to make a measurable difference to the island's trust budget.

[1:04:22] Voice 7: specific number beside that i put in 1500 which is a 50 jump of where it's at now

[1:04:30] Voice 7: that is number

[1:04:31] Voice 7: five on page 63. 63. that's a it's a

[1:04:35] Voice 7: amendment specifically for affordable

[1:04:37] Voice 7: housing was not in the model bylaw um it was um the the argument for not having the model bylaw

[1:04:46] Voice 7: is that we have granted programs through executive committee but that budget was

[1:04:52] Voice 7: slashed it would only allow one per year across the whole trust area at this

[1:04:56] Voice 7: point so that's not going to one per year across the trust area is not

[1:05:01] Voice 7: necessarily enough and it's also

[1:05:04] Voice 7: just one more application one more delay they

[1:05:06] Voice 7: have to wait for that wait for it to get one more staff report that has to be made

[1:05:12] Voice 7: for executive committee it's just more expensive your product processes um to get that question

[1:05:19] Voice 11: yeah before you go from looking at the table that's on page 63 you're proposing a higher fee

[1:05:27] Voice 11: yes

[1:05:28] Voice 7: i'm sticking with that 50 percent okay good thank you

[1:05:31] Voice 7: oh i see

[1:05:32] Voice 11: it wasn't yes before

[1:05:33] Voice 7: no it wasn't it's not in the model so it would be put sending something to executive

[1:05:37] Voice 7: community that is not in line with the model bylaw and i think that is worth doing um and just

[1:05:45] Voice 7: i'm almost done just one more thing i put in that also is um quite different than the model bylaw

[1:05:53] Voice 7: and that is responding to um specifics of devon community and that's number 12 on page 65 this

[1:06:02] Voice 7: is this temporary use permit for residential uses that provide community benefit the only temporary

[1:06:10] Voice 7: use permit that is supported by our regulation is for a secondary cottage uh with the goal of

[1:06:18] Voice 7: providing more housing options uh it's relatively inexpensive and has only been used once um

[1:06:29] Voice 7: And again, I don't think it's going to break the bank by just leaving this as it is.

[1:06:36] Voice 7: So the draft bylaw that came from staff recommends removing this category, but this was one of

[1:06:44] Voice 7: the most hotly discussed items in regional planning committee, and there was a real sense

[1:06:51] Voice 7: that we wanted to have something

[1:06:54] Voice 7: that would allow some kind of fees

[1:06:57] Voice 7: to be waived for community benefit.

[1:06:59] Voice 7: And this is what

[1:07:00] Voice 7: staff came up with.

[1:07:02] Voice 7: The director of planning came up with this as a mechanism.

[1:07:07] Voice 7: And it's a small mechanism,

[1:07:10] Voice 7: and just removing it takes away any option

[1:07:13] Voice 7: to show some respect to applications

[1:07:18] Voice 7: that provide community benefits.

[1:07:20] Voice 7: So I'd like to put it in there,

[1:07:22] Voice 7: send it to executive committee see what they think I think that the perhaps

[1:07:28] Voice 7: there's some wording that could be done within the new regulation to specify

[1:07:33] Voice 7: what community benefit is or it could be simply left that we're going to be able to see people do it so that's

[1:07:42] Voice 1: that

[1:07:43] Voice 7: is my pitch for what I think would be the best way to go ahead with this

[1:07:48] Voice 7: and it could be reviewed annually or every two or three years and gradually brought up to

[1:07:53] Voice 7: speed so that you don't have uh application fees doubling or tripping and the removal of the support

[1:08:00] Voice 7: for applications with repairs okay thank

[1:08:05] Voice 11: you and uh and in your um proposal i didn't see wording

[1:08:11] Voice 11: about again every or revisit every couple of years but that could be something we can consider as an

[1:08:16] Voice 11: LTC yeah

[1:08:18] Voice 7: and my experience of what i've been told actually creating policies and resolutions that

[1:08:25] Voice 7: that you have to review something every few years

[1:08:28] Voice 7: is meaningless, because it depends on the political will

[1:08:31] Voice 7: of who's sitting in the positions of power,

[1:08:37] Voice 7: and it depends on the budget, and the community priorities.

[1:08:40] Voice 7: And there's things we've said we would review that we don't.

[1:08:43] Voice 7: I would hope it would be reviewed, and, yeah.

[1:08:47] Voice 7: Okay, thank you,

[1:08:47] Voice 11: I just wanted to, yeah.

[1:08:49] Voice 11: I just wanted to check with you about that,

[1:08:51] Voice 11: because you mentioned it in your presentation.

[1:08:52] Voice 7: I was wondering,

[1:08:53] Voice 7: since the weed whacking is there now,

[1:08:55] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:08:56] Voice 7: Watch those and open that.

[1:08:58] Voice 7: Let's try it.

[1:09:04] Voice 11: They don't come around the corner.

[1:09:05] Voice 11: I can't get that one open.

[1:09:07] Voice 11: Oh.

[1:09:07] Voice 11: Which is kind of funny for a fire door.

[1:09:09] Voice 11: Wow.

[1:09:14] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:09:18] Voice 7: Maybe I'll make a note.

[1:09:20] Voice 7: Anyway, they're kind of, they're coming

[1:09:22] Voice 11: around the corner.

[1:09:23] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:09:24] Voice 7: Sorry

[1:09:24] Voice 11: for the delay there, Heather.

[1:09:26] Voice 11: We were adjusting the windows for the weed whipper noise.

[1:09:30] Voice 11: And I, oh, I had one thought.

[1:09:33] Voice 11: And it's gone. Okay. Trustee Critchley, what do you think?

[1:09:39] Voice 3: Yeah. Well, first of

[1:09:41] Voice 3: all, I want to thank Trustee Chaikin for all the effort that she's put into this.

[1:09:47] Voice 11: It was math that was difficult.

[1:09:51] Voice 3: The difficulty I have is I think it's one of basic philosophy in regard to how speech should be imposed.

[1:10:02] Voice 3: I think it's kind of an anomaly that we, as a trust council, invite local trust committees to create their own schedule from the model

[1:10:17] Voice 3: and invite them, in essence, to change the numbers plus or minus 20%.

[1:10:27] Voice 3: Because we have one budget in the trust.

[1:10:31] Voice 3: We have one set of staff and we are doing the same work on various islands, now there may be different rates at which that is done, different sorts of applications, but by and large we do the same work across the islands.

[1:10:54] Voice 3: And I appreciate the work that was put into this by the Regional Planning Committee and staff to come up with the numbers that they've come up with.

[1:11:07] Voice 3: To me, it would be very strange if you had the situation, say in Vancouver, where Vancouver said,

[1:11:15] Voice 3: Okay, we're going to create a separate set of fees, application fees for South Vancouver, East Vancouver, West Vancouver, and such like.

[1:11:28] Voice 3: You know, how would that fly?

[1:11:30] Voice 3: How would that be justified?

[1:11:33] Voice 3: To me, it wouldn't get to the starting point.

[1:11:36] Voice 3: And I

[1:11:36] Voice 3: see the situation similar here.

[1:11:39] Voice 3: We are one organization doing the same work with the same staff, paid at the same rates.

[1:11:48] Voice 3: that I think that the model fee by-law should be throughout the trust area

[1:11:53] Voice 3: and should not be subject to any deviation.

[1:11:57] Voice 3: Personally, I appreciate what Trust Council does, and that's the state of affairs.

[1:12:02] Voice 3: So I philosophically do not agree with the idea that we should change this.

[1:12:09] Voice 3: I am for uniformity throughout the trust area with these fees,

[1:12:13] Voice 3: and I am concerned that Chair Fasker made the point that is fairly high in my mind

[1:12:22] Voice 3: that to the extent that we reduce the fees for applications,

[1:12:28] Voice 3: we place that burden on the rest of the taxpayers who are sitting there

[1:12:33] Voice 3: minding their knitting and not incurring these costs for the trust.

[1:12:40] Voice 3: So I think the user pay principle is first and foremost, and recognizing that this really isn't user pay, it's only user pay percentage, whether we need to call that as being 50% or 80%, it doesn't matter.

[1:13:01] Voice 3: I am quite attached to the idea of going along with the model, the feed by law, as it is.

[1:13:08] Voice 3: I don't like the idea of tinkering with it, in any respect actually, so

[1:13:19] Voice 3: that's good.

[1:13:20] Voice 11: That's where you're from. Okay, thank you. And I remember what I was going to ask the regional planning manager.

[1:13:29] Voice 11: Heather, in your report, you mentioned something about, because I see community benefits in the OCP referenced in the descriptions,

[1:13:43] Voice 11: does the Denman OCP include a list of community benefits, or are they defined?

[1:13:51] Voice 11: That's great. Thank you.

[1:15:09] Voice 11: Well, I'm going to speak, I'm going to say thank you very much, Trustee Beshaken, for your careful consideration of this.

[1:15:19] Voice 11: But I mostly, I agree with Trustee Critchley in terms of equal treatment across the trust area

[1:15:30] Voice 11: and for the principle of user pay or not other taxpayers being on the hook for paying for the works that individual taxpayers are doing through a kind of subsidy.

[1:15:54] Voice 11: And so I would entertain motions.

[1:15:58] Voice 11: motions. I'm looking at page

[1:16:01] Voice 11: 62, the recommendations from staff, on the top of page 62. Keep going.

[1:16:15] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:16:16] Voice 3: Okay, so I'll make a motion. I move that the Demna Local Trust Committee bylaw

[1:16:21] Voice 3: number 245 cited as Demna Local Trust Committee bylaw fees bylaw 2022 be read a first time.

[1:16:29] Voice 7: And

[1:16:30] Voice 3: do I have

[1:16:30] Voice 7: a seconder? I'll let you second that if you want. I'll let you second it if

[1:16:34] Voice 11: one i'm not gonna stop thank you so it's open um for discussion here and uh uh is there more

[1:16:43] Voice 11: discussion go ahead just

[1:16:46] Voice 7: for uh because it's worth a

[1:16:48] Voice 7: try yeah i'm going to make a motion to amend

[1:16:52] Voice 7: this motion by adding and i'm doing this on the fly um with the inclusion of a inclusion application

[1:17:16] Voice 7: application

[1:17:19] Voice 7: Quote amendment preferable housing unquote have a fee for 15

[1:17:28] Voice 7: Thank you,

[1:17:32] Voice 11: so we're talking about affordable housing fees here for people who are just entering the room

[1:17:41] Voice 11: That's that's number five on page 63. It's number five on page six, right? Okay. Thank you. And

[1:17:50] Voice 11: Do I have a second for that?

[1:17:52] Voice 3: Yeah, could I just ask?

[1:17:53] Voice 3: I'd like to ask for clarification, perhaps some staff input here on how that would be handled since it's not in the model. How would an application be handled? What would the fee be? Which part of it would you refer to?

[1:18:11] Voice 3: Well,

[1:18:12] Voice 7: the $1,500. I think the fee would be $1,500, and I think it would be clearer, if there wouldn't be any need to look at the OCP, it would be something for, if an affordable housing application came in, the fee would be $1,500 and not $7,800.

[1:18:29] Voice 7: Right, yes.

[1:18:32] Voice 3: But

[1:18:32] Voice 7: staff could comment, sorry, I didn't jump in, that was a question for staff.

[1:18:37] Voice 11: So Heather, do you have a comment there about if it's not currently included in the draft

[1:18:41] Voice 11: bylaw that's in front of us, could this amendment work?

[1:18:46] Voice 5: Yes, it could.

[1:19:38] Voice 11: Okay. I'm just noticing a technical difficulty here. The recording is continuing,

[1:19:44] Voice 11: but the camera has stopped. So at the break, I'll try and fix that. So we'll just go ahead

[1:19:49] Voice 11: with the frozen screen for a moment and continue on ahead. And do I have a seconder then?

[1:19:57] Voice 11: yeah you're

[1:19:58] Voice 1: going to second

[1:19:58] Voice 11: the amendment okay so i have a seconder for the amendment

[1:20:01] Voice 11: any more discussion on the amendment

[1:20:03] Voice 7: well i just have a question for staff for clarification then

[1:20:06] Voice 7: because i as written and i'm just reading from the table and i thought i understand the point

[1:20:12] Voice 7: um is the amendment that we or i just made and was second is second is that enough like

[1:20:21] Voice 7: Like, does that mean you can work out, that you can clarify and make it more technically workable than obviously I did?

[1:21:33] Voice 4: Okay, I

[1:21:34] Voice 11: see. Thank you, Heather. And I see Trustee Critchley has a recommendation or a suggestion. Go ahead.

[1:21:40] Voice 3: Well, my thought is just to continue that category where it says amendment for affordable housing, just add in inclusive of change to density or OCP or zoning.

[1:22:01] Voice 7: Okay, so you're seconding the motion?

[1:22:03] Voice 7: Well, that's the friendly amendment.

[1:22:05] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:22:06] Voice 7: To amend the motion?

[1:22:08] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:22:09] Voice 11: So friendly

[1:22:10] Voice 11: amendment is okay.

[1:22:11] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:22:12] Voice 11: Thank you for that.

[1:22:13] Voice 11: Thanks, Greg.

[1:22:14] Voice 11: Any more discussion on the amendment?

[1:22:18] Voice 11: Okay, then, and you've got that all?

[1:22:21] Voice 11: Very good.

[1:22:22] Voice 11: And so, Vicky's got it, we're going to go ahead then,

[1:22:25] Voice 11: I'm gonna call the question on the amendment.

[1:22:28] Voice 11: Does anybody need that read again?

[1:22:30] Voice 11: Okay, then, all those in favor?

[1:22:32] Voice 11: One, two, three hands went up.

[1:22:35] Voice 11: Thank you, that passes, the amendment passes.

[1:22:38] Voice 11: So now we're back to the motion, the amended motion,

[1:22:41] Voice 11: which is on the top of page 62 the recommendation and I'm talking about

[1:22:48] Voice 11: this a little bit more than describing it because the camera isn't working so

[1:22:52] Voice 11: just so people know that we're looking at recommendation number one that we've

[1:22:57] Voice 11: just amended so any more discussion on yeah I have another

[1:23:03] Voice 11: motion to amend

[1:23:04] Voice 7: I'm

[1:23:05] Voice 11: not going to go through every single one

[1:23:06] Voice 7: this is the last one I

[1:23:08] Voice 11: could do that I could

[1:23:08] Voice 7: sneak it in, you guys won't let me do that. I move amend the motion by adding and including

[1:23:20] Voice 7: the category, and I'm looking at number 12 on page 65, and including the category, quote,

[1:23:29] Voice 7: temporary use permit for residential uses of commercial uses. No, I'm sorry. Residential

[1:23:37] Voice 7: uses, that's all.

[1:23:39] Voice 7: So, sorry, I can't keep my

[1:23:41] Voice 7: own thing up. Back to

[1:23:42] Voice 7: including a quote. Temporary use

[1:23:45] Voice 7: permit for residential

[1:23:46] Voice 7: uses under

[1:23:48] Voice 7: 95 square meters.

[1:23:50] Voice 7: That would provide community

[1:23:52] Voice 7: benefit through

[1:23:54] Voice 7: allowing

[1:23:57] Voice 7: secondary dwellings

[1:24:00] Voice 7: and that

[1:24:01] Voice 7: the fee for this

[1:24:03] Voice 7: be $440.

[1:24:06] Voice 7: and forty dollars thank you that's

[1:24:11] Voice 11: clear yeah it's okay we're moving the commercial part yeah

[1:24:14] Voice 7: yeah it's just not even supported anywhere in our sleep here anything

[1:24:19] Voice 7: could be but deal with that then

[1:24:21] Voice 11: good for the clarification thank you so um

[1:24:26] Voice 7: very

[1:24:27] Voice 11: good so we've got a motion uh sorry a motion to amend and i would like to briefly speak to it

[1:24:34] Voice 11: please go ahead um

[1:24:35] Voice 7: uh as we know this option has only been used once in history and may never be

[1:24:42] Voice 7: used again but it's going to be a live part of the discussion i think in the upcoming farm plan

[1:24:47] Voice 7: and next year's housing review and i just had a phone call yesterday with someone asking about it

[1:24:52] Voice 7: and i said oh it's under a

[1:24:54] Voice 7: thousand dollars and they were happy

[1:24:57] Voice 1: and i had a

[1:24:57] Voice 7: phone call last week

[1:24:58] Voice 7: with someone and i i also say it sounds like actually i looked it up that time it's 440 inches

[1:25:04] Voice 7: like that was three weeks of groceries for me and my children and um it's a lot of money and this

[1:25:11] Voice 7: was someone who was wanting to put a a trailer they live in on someone's property and to do it

[1:25:17] Voice 7: legally so um we're something that may be hard for us to understand a situation where you know

[1:25:23] Voice 7: The difference between $440,000 and $1,000 can be a lot for someone.

[1:25:28] Voice 7: And if we don't do this, it's actually going to jump from $440,000 to $2,150,000.

[1:25:37] Voice 7: It sends a terrible message to the community at this juncture in time with the housing crisis.

[1:25:42] Voice 7: And these come in so rarely.

[1:25:45] Voice 7: I think it's the right thing to do.

[1:25:50] Voice 7: So, and I think that having the language in the actual bylaw that says what the community benefit is, is good.

[1:25:58] Voice 7: And I do have to say, I'm really disappointed to hear that this is being removed because of that.

[1:26:03] Voice 7: Because really, this is the solution senior staff came up with to help trustees meet the political goal of being able to have some lower rates for things that provide community benefits.

[1:26:15] Voice 7: So, to me that's quite a flaw and it makes me a little bit disappointed in the work we did at Regional Planning Committee that this isn't usable and I hope my solution would make it usable.

[1:26:28] Voice 11: Thank you. Okay, I'm just making sure that I'm following the 12. He said it would be disappearing but I see it there in the...

[1:26:37] Voice 11: There's a, in the grey it says draft by-law

[1:26:40] Voice 7: recommended by staff removes this cap.

[1:26:43] Voice 7: right

[1:26:44] Voice 11: gotcha okay thank you um any comment on that regional planning manager car was it workable

[1:26:51] Voice 11: because

[1:27:09] Voice 7: they're they're providing housing options yes very

[1:27:30] Voice 11: good so is that a friendly amendment

[1:27:32] Voice 11: yeah well it's me are you okay with that well

[1:27:36] Voice 3: i'm just wondering is this um i was thinking in terms

[1:27:41] Voice 3: of farm plan changes and so forth no that's probably yeah i'm okay with that okay

[1:27:51] Voice 11: so that's

[1:27:52] Voice 11: a friendly amendment to remove the words community benefit yeah okay that's correct very good okay

[1:27:58] Voice 11: replace

[1:27:59] Voice 7: them with secondary secondary dwellings

[1:28:03] Voice 11: i think that was already okay good and then um

[1:28:07] Voice 11: that's great we're in agreement there we've got a motion moved and seconded and uh are we ready to

[1:28:13] Voice 11: call the question or is there more discussion or questions okay then i'll call the question

[1:28:18] Voice 11: All those in favour? One, two, and my hand goes up, that's three hands went up, that passes unanimously, thank you very much.

[1:28:25] Voice 11: Now we're back to the doubly amended motion, recommendation at the top of page 62, so we would need to say as amended.

[1:28:37] Voice 11: I

[1:28:37] Voice 7: do have one more, it's related to the last one, I have no comment on it, I'll just put it out there and be clear.

[1:28:42] Voice 7: It is that the motion be amended by including temporary, I'm looking at number 15 here,

[1:28:52] Voice 7: temporary use permit renewal for a secondary dwelling with the fee of $165.

[1:29:05] Voice 11: Okay, so this is also on page 65.

[1:29:08] Voice 11: And when we were looking at number 12, we're now looking at number 15.

[1:29:13] Voice 11: yeah 15 yeah okay good i'm just looking at the minute taker to make sure that we're all on the

[1:29:19] Voice 11: same page and i'm

[1:29:20] Voice 7: sorry i didn't send these up but i just didn't know how the conversation would go

[1:29:24] Voice 7: yeah no um so

[1:29:26] Voice 11: this uh let's run it past our regional planning manager yeah uh heather will

[1:29:33] Voice 11: this work the way the motion is um worded thank you okay then do i have a seconder

[1:29:43] Voice 11: And then it's seconded by Trustee Critchley. Any more discussion? Then I'll call the question. All those in favor? One, two hands go up. My hand goes up. That makes it unanimous. Thank you. That passes. So now we're back up on page...

[1:30:00] Voice 11: we're back up on page uh 62 um recommendation one has been amended with three amendments

[1:30:08] Voice 11: thank you very much for bringing those trustee bushekin and um uh and so we need to insert the

[1:30:14] Voice 11: words as amended into the motion right okay so can you just put that in yeah okay so it's in there

[1:30:23] Voice 11: and uh any more discussion on recommendation number one to read the bylaw for the first time

[1:30:30] Voice 7: i just bring a comment um that i i will vote in favor of this um after you know the collaboration

[1:30:37] Voice 7: and working hard to get those amendments in um i still overall part of me wants to just vote

[1:30:44] Voice 7: against i still think it's in many cases too much of a drastic um hiking fees um i don't share the

[1:30:52] Voice 7: philosophy i think that unlike colleague and possibly colleagues have i think the islands

[1:30:57] Voice 7: trust isn't the city of vancouver we do have 13 distinct um islands and i don't really know about

[1:31:03] Voice 7: all the others but i know that denman island economically this means uh the average income

[1:31:08] Voice 7: is significantly lower than the comox valley average and the comox valley is significantly

[1:31:13] Voice 7: lower than the provincial average so i think we there is room in the islands trust that's why it

[1:31:19] Voice 7: set up as a federation to work individually and i do think it would have been more responsive to

[1:31:24] Voice 7: have lower fees for most of these um in general um but i will vote in favor because i want to

[1:31:31] Voice 7: see something go ahead that at least has those amendments that i managed to convince you of

[1:31:39] Voice 7: thank you

[1:31:40] Voice 11: very much any more uh discussion no okay then um i'm gonna call a question all those

[1:31:45] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[1:31:45] Voice 11: Recommendation one, one, two hands go up,

[1:31:47] Voice 11: by hand goes up, that makes it three.

[1:31:49] Voice 11: That passes unanimously.

[1:31:50] Voice 11: Thank you, trustees.

[1:31:52] Voice 11: And the next one.

[1:31:54] Voice 3: Chair, I'm going to move on to the Denman Island

[1:31:56] Voice 3: Local Trust Committee By-law number 245,

[1:31:58] Voice 3: cited as Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[1:32:01] Voice 3: Fees By-law 2022, as amended, be read a second time.

[1:32:06] Voice 9: I will second it.

[1:32:07] Voice 9: You don't need the word as amended

[1:32:09] Voice 9: for a second reading.

[1:32:11] Voice 9: Sorry?

[1:32:11] Voice 9: You don't need to use the word as amended

[1:32:13] Voice 9: in a second reading.

[1:32:17] Voice 11: Okay, so strike the words as amended, and we've got a move and a seconder. Thank you. So the local trustees have moved and seconded this. Any discussion? Okay, then I'll call the question. All those

[1:32:29] Voice 11: in favor? One, two, three hands go up. That passes unanimously. Thank you very much, trustees. Next.

[1:32:34] Voice 11: Next.

[1:32:36] Voice 3: I'll move that the Denmark Local Trust Committee

[1:32:38] Voice 3: by-law number 245, cited as Denmark Local Trust Committee

[1:32:41] Voice 3: fees by-law 2022, be read a third time.

[1:32:46] Voice 3: Seconded by Trustee

[1:32:47] Voice 11: Bushegan, thank you.

[1:32:48] Voice 11: And any more discussion?

[1:32:50] Voice 11: I'll call the question.

[1:32:51] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[1:32:52] Voice 11: One, two, three hands go up.

[1:32:54] Voice 11: That passes unanimously.

[1:32:55] Voice 11: Thank you, trustees.

[1:32:56] Voice 11: Next vote.

[1:32:57] Voice 3: I'll move that the Denmark Local Trust Committee

[1:33:00] Voice 3: by-law number 245, cited as Denmark Local Trust Committee

[1:33:04] Voice 3: fees by law 2022 before to the secretary of the honours trust for approval by the executive

[1:33:09] Voice 3: committee thank you and it's seconded

[1:33:11] Voice 11: by trustee boucher any more discussion i'll call the question

[1:33:15] Voice 11: all those in

[1:33:15] Voice 11: favor one two three hands go up that passes unanimously thank you very much trustees

[1:33:20] Voice 11: and now we're in the application section uh we're at 10 minutes after noon 12 10 thank you heather

[1:33:32] Voice 11: Okay, and we're on to the Denver Housing Association rezoning.

[1:33:40] Voice 11: So this one starts on page, oops, I've covered all my page numbers.

[1:33:48] Voice 11: Oh, it's a

[1:33:49] Voice 1: proof of update, right,

[1:33:50] Voice 11: because we had that thing last night, thank you.

[1:33:52] Voice 11: I'm just looking at my notes.

[1:33:53] Voice 11: And so please, we're going to go now to Planner Zupanetsk. Please take it away.

[1:34:01] Voice 11: Sure.

[1:34:01] Voice 9: So just a reminder about the public hearing last night. There was 35 members in attendance.

[1:34:06] Voice 9: It was approximately a dozen submissions to the local trust committee, which we reviewed yesterday at the close of the hearing.

[1:34:13] Voice 9: I don't have the exact number, but I can count. Thank you very much for giving me that.

[1:34:17] Voice 9: and a mix of requests for amendments potentially to the housing agreement,

[1:34:25] Voice 9: but there were no specific requests for amendments to Proposed By-law 241 or 242 last night

[1:34:31] Voice 9: for the OCP and LAD.

[1:34:34] Voice 9: So in your addendum package today are the actual by-laws on the restrictive covenant in terms of next steps.

[1:34:41] Voice 9: Staff are recommending third readings of the by-laws and forwarding to the Executive Committee for approval with no changes to the Official Community Plan and Land Use By-law or the Housing Agreement.

[1:34:53] Voice 9: And we have the draft resolutions for you if you require those.

[1:34:59] Voice 9: And I'm coming up with any questions about anything from last night.

[1:35:04] Voice 9: I have it. It's also present and able to speak only to information that you've already received as of the close of the hearing.

[1:35:13] Voice 9: Very good.

[1:35:14] Voice 11: Okay. Thank you, Planner Zupanets.

[1:35:17] Voice 11: And do we need to see the motions? Or I'm afraid I couldn't... I don't have the... oh maybe I do have the...

[1:35:26] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:35:26] Voice 3: I couldn't access the thing. The Wi-Fi or something wouldn't let me to the WebDAV, so...

[1:35:32] Voice 9: The addendum is just the bylaws that were in the same package as the public hearing package last night.

[1:35:38] Voice 9: So that's just

[1:35:39] Voice 9: because we need them formally in this package.

[1:35:43] Voice 9: Right.

[1:35:43] Voice 3: Now, as far as the worrying for the motions.

[1:35:46] Voice 9: I have those printed out.

[1:35:48] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:35:49] Voice 9: I think

[1:35:50] Voice 11: maybe you want to, can you pass them over to us?

[1:35:53] Voice 11: Yeah, I

[1:35:53] Voice 9: mean, somebody's going to read them.

[1:35:55] Voice 9: Let me just, I have options.

[1:35:59] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:35:59] Voice 9: Let me just check the ones.

[1:36:06] Voice 10: And I haven't seen a reader, so if you read them, read them slowly.

[1:36:11] Voice 11: Oh, we can then pass that on to you.

[1:36:13] Voice 9: Oh, okay.

[1:36:13] Voice 11: That would be great.

[1:36:14] Voice 11: I have them in my previous package.

[1:36:18] Voice 9: Oh, actually, there was more options on here.

[1:36:20] Voice 9: Good.

[1:36:20] Voice 9: I did it the way I thought I did.

[1:36:24] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:36:24] Voice 11: I gave you the wrong one.

[1:36:26] Voice 11: Thank you for the checking.

[1:36:28] Voice 11: And here are some recommendations from staff.

[1:36:32] Voice 11: And I'm wondering if we could entertain some motions.

[1:36:35] Voice 11: I

[1:36:35] Voice 7: could just begin with a question. After listening to the feedback last night, I would like to ask staff what would be involved, what is the feasibility for adding, and I believe it would be in the housing agreement, but it might not, adding somewhere a statement that would say

[1:37:06] Voice 7: that um where wherever possible housing units will be assigned to people with the greatest need

[1:37:19] Voice 7: yeah

[1:37:25] Voice 3: i

[1:37:30] Voice 7: mean it's come up it came up again and again and i i understood the answer and i you

[1:37:34] Voice 7: know clearly the housing association and the funder want to do that but my experience with

[1:37:42] Voice 7: funders and funding programs is it's it is a tricky business and um having that it's a

[1:37:48] Voice 7: motherhood statement but i think it would provide a little bit more um clarity that that is our goal

[1:37:53] Voice 7: and it would provide some sense of assurance to the community um and it may just be getting the

[1:38:01] Voice 7: messaging out there to the community but the messaging is important for people to support

[1:38:06] Voice 7: affordable housing they need to know that it's going to be really used for affordable housing

[1:38:10] Voice 7: as much as possible within this

[1:38:13] Voice 7: real politic of

[1:38:15] Voice 7: very complicated situation

[1:38:17] Voice 7: so that's the question and the rationale

[1:38:19] Voice 7: so

[1:38:19] Voice 11: I'm just going to check in with Vicky

[1:38:21] Voice 11: did you catch that?

[1:38:24] Voice 7: yes, well

[1:38:24] Voice 11: okay, it's just a question

[1:38:25] Voice 11: okay, I just, because

[1:38:27] Voice 11: sorry I was alone

[1:38:29] Voice 9: so yeah, thanks

[1:38:30] Voice 9: so much for the question

[1:38:32] Voice 9: and for the chair, I've been thinking about

[1:38:34] Voice 9: that, because I had a heads up last night

[1:38:36] Voice 9: and then a reaffirmation this morning

[1:38:37] Voice 9: about what you wanted to discuss

[1:38:40] Voice 9: today

[1:38:40] Voice 9: And I think the existence of the housing agreement hasn't been communicated clearly enough that that registered covenant that sits on the title is the very first piece that separates this from any other housing amendment in terms of it is there for those people, qualified occupants that are in the greatest need.

[1:39:05] Voice 9: That's why they are illegal to apply for housing through the criteria that then this

[1:39:12] Voice 9: not-for-profit, in this case the Bendon Housing Association, would use to select the tenants.

[1:39:18] Voice 9: So that's the very first threshold, that you cannot apply for this housing unless you've

[1:39:23] already met

[1:39:24] Voice 9: the criteria that you are in need, and your ability to access other housing on

[1:39:32] Voice 9: the aisle is somehow being hampered by finances or just the economics of a lack of supply in this

[1:39:37] Voice 9: case in that affordability matrix so schedule b of the bylaw for example includes the definition

[1:39:46] Voice 9: of a qualified occupant that's what the not-for-profit would be using as the you know in

[1:39:54] Voice 9: camera and they have to have these discussions when they get applicants to determine who the

[1:39:58] Voice 9: qualified occupant is going to be and a phrase that you're suggesting would give them no added

[1:40:06] Voice 9: measure or thresholds to weigh out at the time that they're sitting at a table with a sack of

[1:40:14] Voice 9: applications it sounds like and having to bet who is going to be one of the lucky people to obtain

[1:40:21] Voice 9: one of those units so it didn't seem really clear to me how that would be inserted in the housing

[1:40:27] Voice 9: an agreement as an example which is i think the only place that something like this would be

[1:40:32] Voice 9: appropriate even if we could find a way to word it so that it actually had some guidance for the

[1:40:39] Voice 9: funder and the owner to utilize at the time that they're doing this

[1:40:44] Voice 9: evaluation because if it's ambiguous or motherhood statements it actually could have an adverse

[1:40:51] Voice 9: adverse impact of rottering down or creating ambiguity with the three stated, you know,

[1:40:58] Voice 9: where there's no particular

[1:40:58] Voice 9: priority order for having been living on Denman Island for

[1:41:03] Voice 9: a minimum of one year, last night I said two, so that was a mistake, prior to the application

[1:41:08] Voice 9: for housing. So where does that housing need, greatest housing need, weigh into one, two

[1:41:17] Voice 9: one two or three if they've been commuting or they're indigenous with ancestry relating to

[1:41:23] Voice 9: first nations for gentlemen so we don't feel confident that that statement although i

[1:41:31] Voice 9: understand that it would provide a level of comfort to the community i think it's because

[1:41:37] Voice 9: there's not an understanding of what this tool does and its registration on the title is that

[1:41:43] that certainty of housing that's constructed

[1:41:46] Voice 9: is being prioritized in people in greatest need.

[1:41:49] Voice 9: And that the criteria that the owner

[1:41:51] Voice 9: and the funder have to use,

[1:41:54] Voice 9: by very nature of a funder being in the business

[1:41:57] Voice 9: of loans and low interest rates for affordable housing,

[1:42:02] Voice 9: that they are trying to determine how to leverage the project

[1:42:07] Voice 9: so that they can reduce the burden

[1:42:09] Voice 9: of the financial burden of financing the construction

[1:42:11] Voice 9: to create maximum number of units for those in pious need versus just near market units um

[1:42:20] Voice 9: yes there's a long-winded way of saying we don't think that there's any place to tuck this into a

[1:42:26] Voice 9: housing agreement and if it was in the official community plan bylaw 241 for example it would not

[1:42:32] Voice 9: be cross-referenced at the time that there's a stack of applications being filled so it's it

[1:42:38] Voice 9: It doesn't fit there, it doesn't fit in the land use by-law.

[1:42:42] Voice 9: The whole point of this housing agreement is that that's what it's for.

[1:42:47] And there's a spectrum of need

[1:42:49] Voice 9: within this housing agreement.

[1:42:52] Voice 9: That's why we try to deny enough that people with a broad spectrum of need can apply.

[1:43:01] Voice 9: And that's the job that you have to trust the owner and the funder and this tool

[1:43:06] Voice 9: goal is to achieve that balance, to actually create the units, maintain those units, and

[1:43:13] Voice 9: address that spectrum of need. So it's not just low-income, deeply subsidized units.

[1:43:19] Voice 9: We know that's not a reality, that there'll be 20 deeply subsidized units unless they

[1:43:23] Voice 9: have a very philanthropic donor provide financing for their mortgage. That's not a possibility,

[1:43:31] Voice 9: and I don't think that exists in many locations anyway.

[1:43:36] Voice 9: So, yeah, we're not recommending that that be tacked into the housing agreement at this point in time,

[1:43:41] Voice 9: and we don't see the benefit in helping achieve the desired outcome

[1:43:46] Voice 9: because it's already inherent in this agreement.

[1:43:51] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:43:52] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:43:53] Voice 11: Does that answer your question?

[1:43:55] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:43:56] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:43:57] Voice 11: Very good.

[1:43:57] Voice 11: Trustee Pritchett.

[1:43:58] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:43:59] Voice 3: I just wanted to kind of second that in terms of my concerns that I took from the public hearing.

[1:44:07] Voice 3: And my issue with it is really enforceability.

[1:44:16] Voice 3: You know, we would put some kind of motherhood statement in there, but it would really be meaningless.

[1:44:22] Voice 3: And as Planner Zubinets has said, it could work against it if it creates this ambiguity.

[1:44:28] Voice 3: and then you've got enforceability issues and so forth.

[1:44:31] Voice 3: So I think at some point we have to look at the organization that is behind this

[1:44:40] Voice 3: and their purpose and their non-profit, their community organization.

[1:44:46] Voice 3: Hopefully they will be doing the right thing,

[1:44:48] Voice 3: and if the community thinks they're doing the wrong thing,

[1:44:51] Voice 3: they'll be paying for it by assaults in social media and publications

[1:44:58] Voice 3: and getting yelled at at the general store.

[1:45:00] Voice 3: So, yeah, I think it was kind of a nice idea.

[1:45:04] Voice 3: If you ran through it, I came to the same conclusion you did, thinking about it overnight.

[1:45:10] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:45:11] Voice 11: Okay, thanks, everybody.

[1:45:12] Voice 11: Just for the benefit of the recording, standing again, the audio is working, but the camera seems to have frozen.

[1:45:19] Voice 11: And so we're just continuing on the meeting with the audio recording.

[1:45:24] Voice 11: And are we ready then to entertain a motion?

[1:45:29] Voice 3: Sure.

[1:45:30] Voice 3: I

[1:45:31] Voice 9: do have one more comment for the Chair, if that's possible.

[1:45:34] Voice 9: So at the very beginning of By-law 241, we had a placeholder for by-law numbers.

[1:45:39] Voice 9: Let me just find the reference for you.

[1:45:41] Voice 9: It's page 16 of the addendum package, section A, or sorry, section B.

[1:45:50] Voice 9: Clause B, the whereas clauses.

[1:45:53] Voice 9: There's two places to insert by-law numbers, 241 and 242, where there's X's right now.

[1:46:00] Voice 9: we've been using those x's just as a playing folder so if you decide to proceed with a third

[1:46:05] Voice 9: reading for bylaw 243 which is the housing agreement i would um suggest that this would

[1:46:12] Voice 9: actually be the best time before it would proceed to the executive committee for approval that we

[1:46:17] Voice 9: actually insert those numbers and we have to do that for the law amendment um so it would be

[1:46:23] Voice 9: to amend bylaw 243 by adding the bylaw that numbers 241 and 242 in clause B.

[1:46:34] Voice 9: 241 and 242, correct, in the clause B.

[1:46:41] Voice 9: And

[1:46:44] Voice 11: we would do that amendment to 243, correct, after we've done these other ones?

[1:46:50] Voice 9: Once you get to 243, I'll pause to make sure that I make that final amendment.

[1:46:55] Voice 9: And then we'll pass it.

[1:46:57] Voice 9: Okay, thank

[1:47:02] Voice 11: you.

[1:47:04] Voice 9: I think we've got some motions

[1:47:05] Voice 11: coming here. So please go ahead, Trustee Critchley.

[1:47:08] Voice 3: Sure, so I'll move the Dun & Isle Trust Committee By-law Number 241, cited as Dun & Isle Official Community Plan 2008, Amendment Number 1, 2021.

[1:47:18] Voice 3: We've read a third time.

[1:47:22] Voice 4: Thank you. You've got that?

[1:47:23] Voice 4: I missed the beginning of it.

[1:47:24] Voice 4: I'm sorry.

[1:47:28] And

[1:47:29] Voice 4: I want to get it right.

[1:47:30] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:47:40] But you're gonna give me this afterwards?

[1:47:43] I bet I don't.

[1:47:44] And we'll be ready for you.

[1:47:48] Voice 11: Yeah, because we've already read it

[1:47:49] Voice 11: a first time and a second time.

[1:47:51] Voice 11: And do I have a seconder?

[1:47:52] Voice 11: Yeah, I'll second it.

[1:47:53] Voice 11: Thank you, Trustee Cresci, and I seconded the motion.

[1:47:56] Voice 11: Any more discussion?

[1:47:58] Voice 3: Sure.

[1:47:58] Voice 3: Go ahead, Trustee Cresci.

[1:48:00] Voice 3: Yeah, I think, just to reflect that,

[1:48:05] Voice 3: At the public hearing, we had, I wouldn't say unanimous support, but I would say characterize it fairly as overwhelming support for these bylaws.

[1:48:19] Voice 3: And I want to start by saying that to recite an old song that I'm quite fond of, it is that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

[1:48:35] Voice 3: and I think we all recognize that there are some things that we take a little

[1:48:42] Voice 3: bit on faith here yes we'd like it so that all 20 units were going to be fully

[1:48:50] Voice 3: subsidized and there's just a number of issues that we could take issue with

[1:48:59] Voice 3: myth to take objection to. But overall, this is a good project and I commend to bringing

[1:49:14] Voice 3: this before us and responding to requests and concerns. I think the need for affordable

[1:49:23] Voice 3: housing on this island is great. It's well documented. In looking at the various written

[1:49:31] Voice 3: submissions, one thing that jumped out to me was the submission, I think, by the Army

[1:49:38] Voice 3: the Army Denman Health Care Society, which referred to rates of poverty throughout the

[1:49:43] Voice 3: Cobra Valley and other areas, and Denman Island, and it referred to child poverty, and that

[1:49:53] Voice 3: on Denman Island was, I believe, around 50%, and it was quite a bit higher than any of

[1:50:01] Voice 3: the other areas, and that's an especially troubling concern.

[1:50:05] Voice 3: So, overall, I recognize the objections that were made, the deficiencies, perhaps, in some

[1:50:16] Voice 3: respects, but I think this is a question of the greater good, and we have to do this.

[1:50:24] Voice 3: Hopefully, this, of course, doesn't finalize it, the building doesn't magically appear

[1:50:30] Voice 3: if we pass this, there's a lot yet to be done, including water supply confirmation by water

[1:50:38] Voice 3: water license, which all indications from hydrological studies are positive on that.

[1:50:46] Voice 3: But we will pause that for fourth reading adoption. We'll have that in hand. So those

[1:50:57] Voice 3: are kind of my reasons why I think we need to go forward with this.

[1:51:00] Voice 11: Okay. Thank you. Did you have something for the audience?

[1:51:02] Voice 11: I'll just

[1:51:02] Voice 7: make some general comments, too. I thought that public hearing was a really

[1:51:08] Voice 7: good one and you know I think it gave us things to think about

[1:51:12] Voice 7: I concur with Trustee Critchley

[1:51:16] Voice 7: about the power of the old psalm

[1:51:20] Voice 7: about the perfect and the good and I just wanted to actually respond

[1:51:24] Voice 7: to a few points raised last night and they're not the first time they've been raised

[1:51:28] Voice 7: just for, there's not many people here but other people watching

[1:51:32] Voice 7: and just to cover off why I'm giving this

[1:51:35] Voice 7: fairly enthusiastic support, you know there was concerns about this is zoning

[1:51:42] Voice 7: for affordable housing but then there's another rezoning with the density

[1:51:47] Voice 7: transfer attached to it and it bothers people that they're attached to

[1:51:53] Voice 7: summarize and it doesn't seem right. This is a collaboration between a nonprofit

[1:52:00] Voice 7: organization and a profit-driven developer and another donor density's

[1:52:06] Voice 7: that I don't know what the what the financial situation is there and that is

[1:52:13] Voice 7: really our business our businesses land use and that how that impacts our

[1:52:18] Voice 7: community and whether one person's making money or not making money or

[1:52:22] Voice 7: what's inside isn't it's not what we're dealing with and it will pass whereas

[1:52:29] Voice 7: whereas the housing will be there for decades.

[1:52:32] Voice 7: I also think, you know, we do live in a capitalist world

[1:52:35] Voice 7: and we have a real estate situation that is driven by the market,

[1:52:40] Voice 7: and we may not like that, some of us,

[1:52:43] Voice 7: and wish that it could all be done through generosity and a gift economy.

[1:52:47] Voice 7: And, you know, power to you and anyone here and any of your friends.

[1:52:51] Voice 7: If you want to donate a piece of land, if you want to leave it in your will as a bequest,

[1:52:55] Voice 7: that does happen.

[1:52:56] Voice 7: it's primarily for conservation but it's not unheard of please be my guest and there's people

[1:53:03] Voice 7: the trust that can talk to you about how to do that but if when that's not happening if we can

[1:53:10] Voice 7: bend the capitalist system to help meet our wider community needs i say yay to everyone involved

[1:53:19] Voice 7: involved, and thank you for that. So, you know, and maybe a better way to address that issue of,

[1:53:29] Voice 7: you know, a sense that people are making a lot of money from buying and selling property,

[1:53:33] Voice 7: flipping it over, that is, would actually be a tax, which is what the trust is partly,

[1:53:38] Voice 7: well, there's a discussion of it, shall we say, a tax on, say, profits from sales of land that

[1:53:46] Voice 7: would they go into a housing fund like they do in the San Juan's so that and

[1:53:50] Voice 7: then water concerns are always a concern but just to

[1:53:54] Voice 7: say that we don't have that

[1:53:55] Voice 7: tax now oh we don't have that tax no but there's discussion about asking the

[1:53:59] Voice 7: province to create a tax like that just for

[1:54:01] Voice 1: the not easy

[1:54:02] Voice 7: thing it's not just

[1:54:04] Voice 7: like yeah let's do a tax we don't have the power to create that tax or

[1:54:07] Voice 7: administer that tax all we would have the power to do is ask the government to

[1:54:12] Voice 7: look into that. Water concerns, I trust the water licensing process and the

[1:54:19] Voice 7: professionals and the subdivision process which will need to be followed

[1:54:26] Voice 7: for the receiver parcels of the density donation. There was also a comment about

[1:54:33] Voice 7: this is contrary to the trust mandate because it's increasing density and I

[1:54:38] Voice 7: And I, it isn't, we're moving density from one place to another.

[1:54:43] Voice 7: We're not increasing overall density.

[1:54:45] Voice 7: And I don't see anything being contrary to the trust mandate there.

[1:54:50] Voice 7: The trust mandate doesn't actually, and it doesn't anywhere in the trust, I think the policy statement, OCP, speak against clustered areas.

[1:54:59] Voice 7: And in fact, most islands have clustered areas, neighborhoods, residential villages.

[1:55:05] Voice 7: Our village isn't a residential village, and that is part of rural development, villages are part of rural development, and it is absolutely, contrary to what some people say, it is absolutely a good way to minimize environmental impact and increase social cohesion.

[1:55:23] Voice 7: So there's less density, or there will be if this all goes forward, in one part of the island and more in another.

[1:55:30] Voice 7: other. So it's fairly neutral. It doesn't make those densities more, I would say, possibly

[1:55:37] Voice 7: profitable. And in that sense, you could say that works against affordability. But I think

[1:55:42] Voice 7: it's a very small change. And looking at what we're gaining, I think that's fine. So yeah,

[1:55:53] Voice 7: I think that this does respond to a need. And I appreciated the speaker at the public

[1:55:59] Voice 7: hearing who spoke not just about the needs of the future tenants but the

[1:56:05] Voice 7: needs of the Denman population and of Denman Island for the people who are going to

[1:56:10] Voice 7: live there. We desperately need staff to work for our businesses and we need our

[1:56:19] Voice 7: artists and we need our, you know, people who are not coming from wealth, they're

[1:56:28] Voice 7: they're valuable. And I will say, and I just said it, we need our staff. I think we need to be

[1:56:34] Voice 7: careful about talking about the potential future residences, if there's some kind of, you know,

[1:56:40] Voice 7: peasant class, that they're going to do

[1:56:42] Voice 7: all our work for us. You know, they could also be

[1:56:44] Voice 7: our future trustee. I mean, I live in designated affordable housing and I lived in, you know,

[1:56:50] Voice 7: I lived in very insecure rental when I became a trustee. So, you know, it's not just our

[1:56:57] Voice 7: staff it could be our future leaders and community people who are engaged in the

[1:57:04] Voice 7: community doing conservation and things like that so we really need that and I'm

[1:57:09] Voice 7: really happy to go ahead and vote in favor of this great

[1:57:13] Voice 11: thank you and I'll

[1:57:15] Voice 11: only say that I think communities need all sorts of people and everybody's

[1:57:20] Voice 11: valuable members of communities. So I support it as well. And unless there's more discussion,

[1:57:30] Voice 11: I'm going to call the question. All those in favor? One, two hands go up. My hand goes up.

[1:57:37] Voice 11: That passes unanimously. Thank you. And please go ahead.

[1:57:43] Voice 3: All right. So I'll move that the Denham Local Trust Committee By-law No. 241 cited as

[1:57:48] Voice 3: Denham Island Official Community Plan

[1:57:51] Voice 9: 2008,

[1:57:59] Voice 3: Amendment No. 1, 2021, be forwarded to the

[1:58:05] Voice 3: Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee.

[1:58:09] Voice 3: Thank you, Trustee

[1:58:10] Voice 11: Bushegan. Any more discussion about this? This just moves it on to the next step.

[1:58:17] Voice 11: Hearing no discussion, I'll call the question. All those in favour?

[1:58:21] Voice 11: One, two, three hands go out. That passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

[1:58:25] Voice 11: That's forwarded. And the next one.

[1:58:28] Voice 3: I'll also move that the Denman Isle Local Trust Committee forward by-law number 241,

[1:58:32] Voice 3: cited as Denman Isle Official Community Plan for 2008, Amendment number 1, 2021,

[1:58:38] Voice 3: to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs for approval.

[1:58:43] Voice 11: Do I second that? Okay, thank you.

[1:58:45] Voice 11: I have a question about this. I thought the executive committee forwarded them to the ministry.

[1:58:52] Voice 9: We get the local trust committee to provide that resolution so that if EC approves, that's it.

[1:58:58] Voice 9: It's ready to go.

[1:58:59] Voice 11: Gotcha. Okay, thank you. Any discussion? Then I'll call the question. All those in favour?

[1:59:05] Voice 11: One, two, three. Hands go up. That passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

[1:59:10] Voice 11: Sure. Okay, so we're taking the first three?

[1:59:15] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:59:18] Voice 3: so we're on 242.

[1:59:19] Voice 9: Okay, 242.

[1:59:20] Voice 9: So let's go to the chair at the point in time at which I ask that you amend bylaw 243 to insert the bylaw number.

[1:59:28] Voice 9: Hang on, I don't think we've done 242.

[1:59:29] Voice 9: We haven't done 242.

[1:59:30] Voice 7: Oh, great.

[1:59:31] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:59:32] Voice 7: So let's do that.

[1:59:32] Voice 7: I will move that the Devon Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 242 say it is Devon Island Minors Bylaw 2008,

[1:59:39] Voice 7: 2008 Amendment Number 1, 2021 be read a third time.

[1:59:43] Voice 1: Second.

[1:59:44] Voice 7: Very good.

[1:59:45] Voice 11: Motion is moved and seconded.

[1:59:46] Voice 11: Any more discussion about this?

[1:59:48] Voice 11: Go ahead, Trustee Beshekin.

[1:59:49] Voice 11: No, I'm not discussing, I'm

[1:59:50] Voice 7: getting ahead of the game.

[1:59:52] Voice 11: You're anticipating.

[1:59:53] Voice 11: Okay, then I'm gonna call the question.

[1:59:55] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[1:59:56] Voice 11: Aye.

[1:59:57] Voice 11: Aye, aye, aye.

[1:59:58] Voice 11: Three minutes went up, thank you very much.

[2:00:00] Voice 11: And that passes unanimously. Next one.

[2:00:02] Voice 7: Okay. I move that the Devon Island Local Trust Committee By-law No. 242, cited as Devon Island Land Use By-law 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee.

[2:00:16] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:00:17] Voice 7: Second.

[2:00:17] Voice 7: Very good.

[2:00:18] Voice 11: Motion is moved and seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor?

[2:00:23] Voice 11: One, two, three.

[2:00:24] Voice 11: And that's one up. That passes unanimously. Thank you.

[2:00:27] Voice 11: And the third one.

[2:00:28] Voice 7: I think that I'm

[2:00:29] Voice 11: doing, I

[2:00:30] Voice 7: think, sorry, I think I will move that. Just tell me if I'm doing this right. The by local, I move the Deming Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 243 cited as Deming Island Housing Agreement bylaw number 243-2021 be amended by adding the numbers 241 and 242 in clause B.

[2:00:54] Voice 7: That's perfect. Very good.

[2:00:57] Voice 11: Do I have a seconder? Yes. Thank you. We've got a motion moved and seconded to advance the housing agreement 243. And any other questions? Hearing none, I'll call the question. All those in favour? Aye. Aye. Thank you. That's three ayes have it. The motion passes unanimously. For the amendment.

[2:01:17] Voice 11: Yes,

[2:01:18] Voice 7: and now I move that Devon Island Local Trust Committee By-law No. 243, cited as Devon Island Housing Agreement By-law No. 243, 2021, as amended, be read on third time.

[2:01:31] Voice 7: Thank you. Do I have a seconder?

[2:01:32] Voice 7: Second.

[2:01:33] Voice 11: Very good. A motion moved and seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor?

[2:01:38] Voice 11: One, two, three hands go up. That motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much, trustees.

[2:01:43] Voice 11: these and this is the last one

[2:01:45] Voice 7: uh that i know of i move that denman island uh that the denman island

[2:01:50] Voice 7: local trust committee bylaw number 243 saying is denman island housing agreement bylaw number 243

[2:01:56] Voice 7: 2021 be forwarded to the secretary of the islands trust for approval by the executive committee

[2:02:03] Voice 11: okay thank

[2:02:04] Voice 7: you motion

[2:02:06] Voice 11: moved and seconded

[2:02:06] Voice 7: any discussion i'll just make one last comment

[2:02:09] Voice 7: this isn't the last one and it's just one more reflection on about what we heard in the public

[2:02:14] Voice 7: hearing uh we heard um a request or some concern that we hadn't heard from the people in need of

[2:02:21] Voice 7: housing um and i have to say i feel like we've heard a lot from people in need of housing

[2:02:27] Voice 7: generally this term like like huge amounts and um generally about housing uh specifically about this

[2:02:36] Voice 7: project not so much at meetings but you know there were three people who identified as in need

[2:02:43] Voice 7: last night and probably a few more who were uh in need and um that if you do some math the kind

[2:02:51] Voice 7: of percentages compared to the population aren't that different than what our housing needs

[2:02:56] Voice 7: assessment says who's in need and i tend to hear more personally and and um from people but i've

[2:03:03] Voice 7: And we have people on our APC and the Endowment Housing Association has their contacts.

[2:03:11] Voice 7: And in some ways that's more appropriate because I think that's a little friendlier to some of those people.

[2:03:17] Voice 7: So I don't think that we, I don't think it's fair to say it's been silenced from the people who are in need.

[2:03:24] Voice 7: that being said I stick to my guns and I say this quite a lot that we need to put

[2:03:30] Voice 7: a lot more energy and resources into upping our community engagement game and

[2:03:34] Voice 7: getting much much there's a lot of room to improve there so so I will now I have

[2:03:42] Voice 7: moved okay thanks that was my comment okay so

[2:03:45] Voice 11: we've got a motion moved and trustee

[2:03:47] Voice 11: Critchley has seconded is that correct yes okay

[2:03:50] Voice 11: so we've got a motion moved and

[2:03:52] Voice 11: seconded any more discussion all in favor one two three hands go up that passes unanimously

[2:03:59] Voice 11: thank you very much

[2:04:00] Voice 11: and i believe that that completes um this section of the agenda that this completes this uh item 9.1

[2:04:16] Voice 11: on the agenda and then you have the applicants in the room and according to our guidelines

[2:04:21] Voice 11: When the LCCs have made a decision, if they choose to, they can make a few comments or ask questions for clarity or about next steps.

[2:04:33] Voice 11: Is there any comment from the applicants? Any of the co-applicants?

[2:04:38] Voice 2: Could I just ask, I have some of the impression that approval of bylaws with regard to housing actually are now going to the Attorney General's office, is that right?

[2:04:50] Voice 2: I

[2:04:52] Voice 9: am unaware of that, but I will look into it. I am under the impression that it's not changed. It's still the minister, whatever the

[2:05:04] Voice 2: minister's name is.

[2:05:08] Voice 11: Yes. I haven't heard about a change either. I know that there's a discussion happening.

[2:05:15] Voice 11: I think the province is asking for public comment about the public hearing process.

[2:05:24] Voice 11: So they've got an engagement happening around should changes happen to the public hearing

[2:05:30] Voice 11: process.

[2:05:31] Voice 11: But I don't believe there's been any changes made yet, as far as we know.

[2:05:35] Voice 10: Okay, good.

[2:05:36] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:05:36] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:05:37] Voice 11: And

[2:05:37] Voice 10: otherwise, thank you very much for your support and the process

[2:05:42] Voice 2: and particularly to

[2:05:43] Voice 2: this is on your floor, I've done the work.

[2:05:46] Voice 11: Well, thanks to everybody involved.

[2:05:48] Voice 11: I think this is a significant step,

[2:05:50] Voice 11: and I'm happy that we were able to support it.

[2:05:55] Voice 11: It's good?

[2:05:56] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:05:57] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you.

[2:05:57] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:05:58] Voice 11: Yes,

[2:05:59] Voice 7: and good luck.

[2:06:01] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:06:03] Voice 7: Sadly, as you said, we're not gonna magically create,

[2:06:07] Voice 7: wouldn't that be good if when we just passed this,

[2:06:09] Voice 7: I was like, what's going on?

[2:06:10] Voice 2: This is the very first meeting with the architects tomorrow.

[2:06:20] Voice 11: Good. Wonderful. All the best with the next steps.

[2:06:24] Voice 11: And we'll let you know if there's anything new that crops up or in terms of your question or anything like that.

[2:06:32] Voice 11: But I believe that that completes the business for today about 9.1, about book rezoning.

[2:06:38] Voice 11: Thank you very much. Okay, bye-bye. And I want to ask everybody, if you would mind if we advance our lunch break until now.

[2:06:53] Voice 11: It's supposed to start at 12.45, it's 12.45. And would people mind taking a break now?

[2:07:00] Voice 11: Very good. Okay, so let's break now for half an hour, and that'll give us a chance to eat lunch and all that kind of thing as well as me.

[2:07:09] Voice 11: to reset the technology and uh so we're going to break it now for half an hour yeah let's see

[2:07:17] Voice 1: we've

[2:07:17] Voice 11: got 15 minutes half an hour let's see should we uh

[2:07:23] Voice 11: i

[2:07:23] Voice 7: didn't want to go get a coffee okay so i'll talk faster

[2:07:28] Voice 11: half an hour

[2:07:28] Voice 11: half an hour okay so we'll come back together yes

[2:07:32] Voice 11: Yes. Sorry, at 1.15. And thank you very much. And thank you, members of the public, who are leaving. Bye-bye.

[2:07:43] Voice 11: Okay, everybody,

[2:07:44] Voice 7: I just started the recording. I just started

[2:07:47] Voice 11: the recording. And I wanted to let everybody know, because we had a little technical difficulties.

[2:07:54] Voice 11: please so for the recording it's now 1 30 and we're part of the um

[2:07:59] Voice 11: and we're on the denver local trust committee and this is

[2:08:02] Voice 11: part two of the recording so i'm going to call the meeting back to order

[2:08:07] Voice 11: and we're going to go on now um to item 9.2 on our agenda this is bylaw

[2:08:14] Voice 11: number 240 second in use bylaw um are you speaking to this one son

[2:08:20] Voice 11: yes okay there's no

[2:08:22] Voice 9: changes to the staff

[2:08:23] Voice 9: recommendation to adopt the bylaw as presented okay

[2:08:30] Voice 11: great and I hear our

[2:08:32] Voice 11: weed whippers and things are back next it will be those blowers right okay so

[2:08:38] Voice 11: can

[2:08:39] Voice 7: we outlaw them put it on the agenda sorry

[2:08:42] Voice 11: the agenda is already approved okay next time we have a report in front of us and this is just

[2:08:49] Voice 11: coming back to us for fourth and final adoption read we've been through the

[2:08:54] Voice 11: a number of times executive committee has now approved it and uh first second third reading

[2:08:59] Voice 11: executive committee and here it is before us for fourth reading final adoption um as presented on

[2:09:08] Voice 11: page 75 of our agenda here can i have a motion sure

[2:09:11] Voice 3: i'll move with demnon local trust committee

[2:09:14] Voice 3: bylaw number 240 silos downline local trust committee citing a use permit bylaw number 240

[2:09:21] Voice 3: 2040-2021 be adopted. Do I have a seconder?

[2:09:25] Voice 11: Thank you. Motion moved and seconded for final adoption. Any discussion? I'm going to call the question. All those in favour? One, two, three hands go up. Thank you. That passes unanimously. Very good.

[2:09:38] Voice 11: Good. And now, now we're going to the 10.1 Denman Island Farming Regulation Review Project.

[2:09:50] Voice 11: We've got an item from staff on page 78 of our package.

[2:09:55] Voice 11: And so let me just get there. Oops, sorry, zipping all over here.

[2:10:02] Voice 11: And planners, would you like to go ahead and speak to this one?

[2:10:06] Voice 11: through

[2:10:06] Voice 9: the chair the planner is requesting the local trust committee endorse a special

[2:10:13] Voice 9: meeting either end of june early july you can leave it to staff to sort out the timing for that

[2:10:18] Voice 9: a special meeting of the local trust committee so that your consultants could present the findings

[2:10:23] Voice 9: of the consultation that's been done to date and that point in time also would be

[2:10:32] Voice 9: advisory planning commission recommendations because they're looking to have an APC meeting before your special meeting

[2:10:40] Voice 9: so you would have a full suite of potential recommendations from a wide range of input

[2:10:46] Voice 9: and direct next steps after that so your next meeting is just a little bit too late

[2:10:53] Voice 9: and the consultant isn't available and so the planner would like to make sure that there is continuity in this contract

[2:11:00] Voice 9: that we can get this information wrapped up into you in good time. So if we could have the resolution that's presented to a staff report, that would give us the direction we need to advertise and post notices and schedule that meeting.

[2:11:12] Voice 9: And it can be electronic.

[2:11:16] Voice 11: Okay. Very good. Yes, I

[2:11:17] Voice 11: see you've got electronic right up in the staff recommendation. Okay. Another question?

[2:11:22] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:11:22] Voice 3: just wondering, do we, we don't envisage public participation in this meeting that's being proposed, then it would be just a reshuffle, or we'd be deciding next steps, like to hold some sort of public consultation, presumably, is that, is that sort of what you have in mind?

[2:11:42] Voice 9: We already

[2:11:42] Voice 9: did the public consultation.

[2:11:43] Voice 3: Well, yeah, we had that, but I mean, we didn't have the report.

[2:11:45] Voice 3: That's

[2:11:46] Voice 9: right. So the point of the special meeting would be to present the report. You could definitely insert in the schedule agenda a town hall portion if you wanted to ensure that there's an opportunity for people to speak to you or to the consultant or ask questions.

[2:12:01] Voice 9: If that would be appropriate is to have that one agenda item and a town hall opportunity that might address that need.

[2:12:09] Voice 9: Or

[2:12:09] Voice 10: more input, yeah, on the consultant's report, to get what you're thinking.

[2:12:15] Voice 10: And any more questions

[2:12:18] Voice 11: for the planner?

[2:12:20] Voice 3: Scheduling in an evening, or would it, I guess in this electronic meeting it's still the issue of particularly farming type people, would be better accommodated in the evening?

[2:12:34] Voice 3: We

[2:12:36] Voice 9: don't need the resolution to specify a time of day, we'll just make sure that we do a polling. I prioritise this evening besides last.

[2:12:48] Voice 1: Have you got

[2:12:49] Voice 7: something, Laurel?

[2:12:50] Voice 7: Well, just comment, it's kind of not good timing. I am away from the 20th of June to the 11th of July.

[2:13:00] Voice 7: and i'm in europe with it and i don't mind doing the odd bit of work um but there's a time

[2:13:07] Voice 7: difference so that if depending on timing like a morning meeting when we like it's an eight hour

[2:13:13] Voice 7: time difference so um just so when we get to schedule the meeting you know i think it's the

[2:13:19] Voice 7: other way around it's

[2:13:20] Voice 1: oh yeah yeah the evening meeting i'd have

[2:13:23] Voice 7: to get up like i'm not yeah

[2:13:24] Voice 7: and

[2:13:25] Voice 1: i'll actually be

[2:13:25] Voice 7: away from the trust council too and i might take part in some of it it's like

[2:13:30] Voice 7: Yeah. I'll be all jet lagged at that point. Um, yeah.

[2:13:34] Voice 7: This is like a much, a many,

[2:13:36] Voice 7: many several times deferred family

[2:13:39] Voice 1: visit

[2:13:39] Voice 7: that was scheduled,

[2:13:41] Voice 7: you know, the COVID shuffle of holidays. Schedule and cancel,

[2:13:45] Voice 7: schedule and cancel. Um,

[2:13:48] Voice 7: Did you say June 20th to July 11th?

[2:13:51] Voice 7: June 20th to July 11th. Yes.

[2:13:55] Voice 7: Okay. Thank you.

[2:13:57] Voice 7: So if you really want an evening meeting, it has to work around those. I would be happy to try to fit it in ahead of time, but we need all the reports.

[2:14:07] Voice 7: So it might be,

[2:14:08] Voice 11: you might want to include some, if there are dates in that time period, you might need to include a morning meeting so that you can

[2:14:18] Voice 11: do it, right?

[2:14:18] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:14:19] Voice 7: I mean, in terms of meeting scheduling, I think that we're doing the best we can.

[2:14:26] Voice 7: I think that we try and have our main public consultation meetings outside working hours.

[2:14:33] Voice 7: And I think it's a good compromise. I'm not too worried about having another morning meeting.

[2:14:37] Voice 11: OK. But

[2:14:38] Voice 7: I would like to have a town hall. OK.

[2:14:41] Voice 11: All right. Thank you. All right. So we've got

[2:14:43] Voice 11: input and questions answered.

[2:14:45] Voice 11: thank you very much.

[2:14:48] Voice 3: I'll move that the Dem Nile Local Trust Committee request staff to set up an electronic meeting, special meeting for late June or early July to consider further steps in the Dem Nile Farming Regulations Review Project.

[2:15:02] Voice 11: Second. Thank you. We got a motion moved and seconded and it's the same as the one in the package. Any more discussion? No? Okay. Call the question. All those in favor? Aye.

[2:15:12] Voice 11: Aye. Aye. Aye. Three hands went up. That motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much.

[2:15:18] Voice 11: Thank you. And go ahead, Justin, for shaking.

[2:15:20] Voice 7: Yeah, this is a question for staff. You know, we've got a petition, and we've gotten feedback,

[2:15:28] Voice 7: and there's definitely a lot of interest in the secondary dwellings and secondary suites option.

[2:15:36] Voice 7: you know and then there's always concerns around that and you know one of

[2:15:43] Voice 7: the concerns I hear and that I hold is if you just let those you say yep go

[2:15:49] Voice 7: ahead and do it there's no guarantee it will be used for the purposes that the

[2:15:54] Voice 7: community is hoping it would be used for so and I think that what people would

[2:15:58] Voice 7: like to see is farming staff housing, you know, farmhand housing, extended family housing for,

[2:16:10] Voice 7: you know, succession with farms and stable rental housing for community members that then would be

[2:16:18] Voice 7: some extra income for farmers. I mean, I know this is an ages-old question but I think that

[2:16:24] Voice 7: the answers could change could we could staff come forward with any options to

[2:16:33] Voice 7: shape the regulations to perhaps not require but make it more likely that it

[2:16:41] Voice 7: would be used for that I'm thinking like and I don't know how it works but

[2:16:44] Voice 7: there's no rental housing zoning that's allowed I do know like Salt Spring is doing a

[2:16:49] Voice 7: whole housing review and i've heard that they're looking at examples with covenants and a registry

[2:16:57] Voice 7: i mean you could talk to whoever's the salt spring or marley's camp planner i talk to

[2:17:02] Voice 7: trustee patrick sometimes about it um you know at least let's see if we can i don't know is there

[2:17:09] Voice 7: some innovation or something we can do if we are going to go for that option to push it towards

[2:17:18] Voice 7: wards, farmland housing, rental housing, extended farmland housing.

[2:17:24] Voice 7: Like I don't really know what other kind of housing there is.

[2:17:26] Voice 7: Short term vacation rental?

[2:17:28] Voice 7: Well we already have rules against that and they're fairly well enforced and fairly well followed, I think.

[2:17:35] Voice 7: I guess guest cottages.

[2:17:42] Voice 7: Isn't that short term vacation rental?

[2:17:45] Voice 7: Well if you're not charging anyone there's nothing stopping you from doing it.

[2:17:48] Voice 7: Oh, guest guests.

[2:17:49] Voice 7: guests guests yeah gotcha but then that yeah

[2:17:54] Voice 7: anyway that's just something that if there's any

[2:17:57] Voice 7: tools we haven't been using that we could use be good to know okay yeah

[2:18:04] Voice 9: thank you

[2:18:06] Voice 9: the second part of that is in the addendum is the correspondence from triple rock regarding

[2:18:13] Voice 9: this project and possibly expanding the scope of your project charter to include

[2:18:26] Voice 11: Okay, so this is

[2:18:27] Voice 11: the addendum, that's the correspondence that we received from, if you

[2:18:35] Voice 7: want to enter into a discussion about that, I should, yeah,

[2:18:39] Voice 11: but let's see, let's see what

[2:18:40] Voice 11: happens, first we're going to,

[2:18:41] Voice 7: sorry, why

[2:18:45] Voice 3: did that come in,

[2:18:46] Voice 7: that was the addendum that

[2:18:48] Voice 7: came in like this morning,

[2:18:49] Voice 3: oh yeah, I couldn't access the web dev, we can try again, it just

[2:18:55] Voice 3: wasn't loading here let's

[2:18:58] Voice 11: share this is something we would need to give staff

[2:20:11] Voice 11: direction on to include this as part of the would this just be part of the public

[2:20:16] Voice 11: input towards the farm review project this is a really dumb question probably but I just want to

[2:20:23] Voice 11: make sure do we need to discuss this or can it just fall into the process do you

[2:20:27] Voice 11: Do you have any recommendations?

[2:20:28] Voice 9: Well, in general terms, this is a site-specific rezoning.

[2:20:34] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:20:34] Voice 9: to approve it as part of your LTC-initiated project,

[2:20:38] Voice 9: or is it a new journey, a application?

[2:20:43] Voice 9: Right.

[2:20:43] Voice 9: OK, thank you.

[2:20:44] Voice 9: But because it's agricultural-related,

[2:20:48] Voice 9: they were hoping that that type of an amendment

[2:20:51] Voice 9: and considerations for bylaw changes

[2:20:54] Voice 9: to extend onto as well, which

[2:20:57] Voice 9: which is site-specific. This is all on a regular century. So, yeah, I'd like to discuss it. I think we do need to...

[2:21:08] Voice 11: Yeah. Okay. Talk about it.

[2:21:11] Voice 11: I think I read this when it came in, and Trustee Kritchney, you've just read it now.

[2:21:21] Voice 11: Have

[2:21:22] Voice 10: we had enough time to absorb it?

[2:21:23] Voice 10: Well,

[2:21:25] Voice 3: the concept, you know, it sounds to me like it's a site-specific thing which would normally come to us through a specific application.

[2:21:36] Voice 3: Tagging it onto this project, what are the implications of that?

[2:21:41] Voice 3: Does it take away from the rest of the project?

[2:21:47] Voice 3: Yeah, exactly.

[2:21:48] Voice 10: Does it take away from the rest of the project?

[2:21:49] Voice 10: I

[2:21:50] Voice 9: don't know what it adds to it in terms of bylaw amendments that the consultant would need to undertake so it's not contemplated as part of the contract to sort of look at the nuances of that zone or expand that city provisions or geographically or that you're engaged with that particular property owner specifically or went on that particular property so that part would have to be undertaken by staff.

[2:22:15] Voice 9: Likely, not the consultant, because

[2:22:18] Voice 11: it's just not part of the project.

[2:22:20] Voice 11: It's not part of the project, because it wasn't part of the project chartered at the outset.

[2:22:25] Voice 9: There's nothing preventing that from being undertaken necessarily, it's just the resources, from what I understand, aren't going to do that right now.

[2:22:34] Voice 9: Although it is a good time to include that review and potentially see if there's opportunities for some regulatory amendments there.

[2:22:46] Voice 9: Again, the consultation was void of that particular topic, too, so the community engagement wasn't done today.

[2:22:52] Voice 9: It hasn't included any look at, and by the way, there's this one parcel of amendments.

[2:23:00] Voice 9: I'm wondering, from that point of view, if it's inadvisable to put

[2:23:09] Voice 3: it on at this point, and it does, especially...

[2:23:13] Voice 7: I'm not saying anything. You know, I kind of feel uncomfortable, like I'm interested in the conversation.

[2:23:19] Voice 7: But I actually think I need to declare a conflict of interest, so I'll just step outside.

[2:23:26] Voice 11: Trustee Boucher, do you want to say why?

[2:23:28] Voice 11: Well, I'm a

[2:23:30] Voice 7: resident and a director of the triple ruckus.

[2:23:36] Voice 7: So

[2:23:36] Voice 10: as a resident, my

[2:23:38] Voice 7: interest is effective, and as a

[2:23:39] Voice 7: director, I have the issue.

[2:23:41] Voice 7: Thank

[2:23:41] Voice 11: you, we'll come and get you.

[2:23:45] Voice 7: So we'll just wait until she can get to my phone with me.

[2:23:50] Voice 7: Oh yes, play my word game.

[2:23:58] Voice 11: Okay, so as Trustee Beshikian is leaving the room, we'll talk about this.

[2:24:07] Voice 11: Personally, I don't think it's good for a process when something is added at the point after which most of the consultation has been done by the consultant.

[2:24:21] Voice 11: consultants and when people were, the public has been giving their answers based on the

[2:24:28] Voice 11: questions and the information that the consultants were putting in front of them and were not

[2:24:35] Voice 11: giving information about this. I think the whole public process, even though the timing

[2:24:43] Voice 11: is about farm and agricultural land reserve,

[2:24:48] Voice 11: I still think it would be better to conduct

[2:24:49] Voice 11: the overall island-wide farm plan review, farm review, regulation review overall, and

[2:24:59] Voice 11: complete that, and then look at individual properties, I think that would be also the

[2:25:05] Voice 11: fairer way to do it, because other people may want to join the process at this point

[2:25:11] Voice 11: as well.

[2:25:11] Voice 11: So, do you agree?

[2:25:13] Voice 11: I

[2:25:13] Voice 3: do, but I feel that is the most important thing, is the perception here of propriety,

[2:25:21] Voice 3: that we are doing the right thing to have this brought in at this point after we've already had some public consultation,

[2:25:29] Voice 3: and especially as it concerns one of our colleagues. I just think it's inadvisable to do that.

[2:25:36] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you. I think, I think I agree. And so I think they've given us a formal request here.

[2:25:48] Voice 11: I would

[2:25:51] Voice 9: suggest a resolution that you request statute to the triple block advising about the LTC's

[2:25:59] Voice 9: not to amend the project charter to include a site-specific review of the parcel

[2:26:05] Voice 9: at this time and that they're on the verge to make an application for a site-specific

[2:26:10] Voice 9: on the final amendment might make the run concurrently and likely supersede these bylaws

[2:26:16] Voice 9: in terms of timing perhaps it might have a full complete application

[2:26:21] Voice 9: okay

[2:26:22] Voice 11: i think you're going to have to say

[2:26:24] Voice 9: there was a lot there

[2:26:28] Voice 9: advising that the local trust committee has decided not to proceed with an amendment to

[2:26:34] to the then-Farming Regulations Review Project Charter.

[2:26:38] Farming Regulations Review Project Charter.

[2:26:42] And that they are encouraged to make an application.

[2:26:46] At this time, is it?

[2:26:48] At this time, yeah.

[2:26:49] And that is a good thing.

[2:26:51] I review Project Charters at this time, yeah.

[2:26:56] And that they are encouraged to make

[2:26:59] Voice 9: an application.

[2:27:00] Voice 9: And then the application is a bylaw amendment application.

[2:27:05] Voice 9: That should be fun.

[2:27:06] Voice 9: Yeah, that should be fun.

[2:27:07] OK.

[2:27:07] And then

[2:27:07] Voice 9: we could drop the letter.

[2:27:09] Voice 9: Marla's going to send it to you as a draft.

[2:27:11] Voice 9: Great.

[2:27:12] Voice 9: And just go on your sound signature.

[2:27:14] Voice 9: That's OK.

[2:27:14] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:27:15] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:27:16] Voice 9: That would be great.

[2:27:17] Voice 11: Good.

[2:27:17] Voice 11: Thank you, because I think that's

[2:27:19] Voice 11: the fairer and more transparent way to deal with it while I'm here.

[2:27:26] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:27:26] Voice 3: And also, it just occurs to me that it may cause further issues with Trustee Beshekin's involvement in the project

[2:27:34] Voice 3: if there is this piece sitting there. And that would be really a fragile franchise because...

[2:27:43] Voice 3: Yeah. We'd

[2:27:44] Voice 11: like our local trustees to be involved in the

[2:27:49] Voice 3: island-wide projects. Very good.

[2:27:50] Voice 3: I hate being the only one speaking for the island or making a decision

[2:27:54] Voice 3: for the island.

[2:27:55] Voice 3: yeah well

[2:27:56] Voice 3: you know i joined yes and uh but i

[2:27:58] Voice 11: also agree we need uh um all our local trustees

[2:28:03] Voice 11: when we can get them so uh with that then uh are you making that motion i am okay

[2:28:09] Voice 11: and i'll second

[2:28:10] Voice 11: it and um any more discussion no okay um i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:28:17] Voice 11: that passes unanimously and uh thank you you're gonna give it trustee

[2:28:27] Voice 3: I was going to say, that panel may go off, so I'm not sure.

[2:28:32] Voice 1: So it

[2:28:32] Voice 11: is an hour prior

[2:28:34] Voice 9: to the future meeting, I think.

[2:28:36] Voice 11: I think I'd be heading for a backboard.

[2:28:40] Voice 11: This one gets declined as well.

[2:28:43] Voice 11: Yes, I know.

[2:28:44] Voice 1: Can I just ask about the outcome last?

[2:28:46] Voice 11: Yeah, we

[2:28:46] Voice 11: declined to amend the project chart.

[2:28:52] Voice 11: And staff are going to run it.

[2:28:54] Voice 11: of that. Okay. And you can also...

[2:28:59] Voice 3: I might just add that one of the reasons why I went was the potential for disqualification

[2:29:05] Voice 3: of you from various other elements dealing with this plan, for which this thing might

[2:29:10] Voice 7: have been intertwined.

[2:29:11] Voice 7: Yes. I did think about that, but then I looked at my notes on conflict of interest, and there's

[2:29:17] Voice 7: that thing about if it's a common interest at over 100, and I think there's over... Anyway,

[2:29:24] Voice 7: Anyway, you can look at the recording. That came up

[2:29:27] Voice 11: after we voted on it, so anyway, okay, thank you, and so now we're going to go from the addendum back to the regular agenda, and one second here while I find it, and now we're going to go to annual report, 12.1, page 82.

[2:29:51] Voice 11: too. This is just something you can describe it for Sonia if you'd like.

[2:30:00] Voice 11: too but your

[2:30:00] Voice 9: resolution is to amend or adopt, endorse the text as presented for approval by trust

[2:30:11] Voice 9: council and then

[2:30:12] Voice 9: submission to the minister of usefulness and housing and the text is in the

[2:30:17] Voice 9: recommendation so if you'd like any changes this would be the time to insert them and we can pass

[2:30:22] Voice 9: it up to you. I didn't have any changes. I don't see any changes. No not

[2:30:28] Voice 7: a change just a question

[2:30:31] Voice 7: like in the past

[2:30:32] Voice 7: I've always seen D-E-L-T-C

[2:30:34] Voice 7: and this

[2:30:36] Voice 7: is yeah

[2:30:37] Voice 7: is there like a difference on because I know

[2:30:40] Voice 7: that with acronyms like I think

[2:30:42] Voice 7: there's like a kind of formal list like it isn't just

[2:30:44] Voice 7: kind of random could this not just still be

[2:30:46] Voice 7: D-E-L-T-C or has there been some like

[2:30:48] Voice 7: global decision to change the acronyms

[2:30:50] Voice 7: yeah

[2:30:51] Voice 9: we were advised

[2:30:52] Voice 9: as well that we're supposed to be I

[2:30:54] Voice 9: but the E

[2:30:56] Voice 9: is new to me just right now

[2:30:58] Voice 1: So

[2:30:59] Voice 9: if you just endorse it as is, we can fix the acronym if it's incorrect, because I have not yet seen the DEI

[2:31:09] Voice 11: version.

[2:31:11] Voice 9: Just treat it like a textbook, and I think we

[2:31:13] Voice 11: could endorse the text.

[2:31:15] Voice 9: We have recently received some clarity that we are not supposed to be using the I in every pilot acronym.

[2:31:23] Voice 9: Oh.

[2:31:24] Voice 9: Even though we haven't.

[2:31:27] Voice 7: That just seems like a make work project, right?

[2:31:30] Voice 7: Yeah, because HOA will change as well if we do that.

[2:31:34] Voice 7: And

[2:31:35] Voice 3: does the memo include a direction to

[2:31:38] Voice 3: dot the I as well?

[2:31:41] Voice 9: Can I have a motion

[2:31:43] Voice 9: to approve these?

[2:31:44] Voice 3: Sure, if I'll move with them and I'll move with the trust committee

[2:31:46] Voice 3: to endorse the following text for inclusion in the 2021-2022

[2:31:50] Voice 3: annual report for approval by the Honest Trust Council and

[2:31:54] Voice 3: So that's a question that can be used for the purpose of housing.

[2:31:58] Voice 11: Second.

[2:32:00] Voice 11: Okay, we've got a motion moved and seconded.

[2:32:03] Voice 11: Thank you. Any more discussion?

[2:32:07] Voice 11: As I close the window for some machinery, then I'll call the question.

[2:32:14] Voice 11: All those in favour? All in favour? Aye.

[2:32:15] Voice 11: Three. Thank you. That's good.

[2:32:19] Voice 11: It may be because, that motion passes unanimously,

[2:32:22] Voice 11: It might be because of search terms and more people using, you know, just using a little

[2:32:30] Voice 11: search thing to find business, so it might be becoming a kind of coding, not coding coding,

[2:32:38] Voice 11: but a kind of issue that would help people find their way through the material, or find

[2:32:45] Voice 11: the material.

[2:32:47] Voice 11: Okay, so now, thank you very much, I'm going 12.2, this is Wi-Fi upgrade.

[2:32:52] Voice 11: It's not something that the trustee could actually add to the agenda. Go ahead.

[2:32:58] Voice 3: So because of the Wi-Fi limitations that we have here, I was wondering about having staff look into the possibility.

[2:33:10] Voice 3: So I'll just read out my motion and I'll move that the Demna Local Trust Committee request staff

[2:33:16] Voice 3: to research the possibility of the Islands Trust upgrading the Wi-Fi at the Denman Activity Centre.

[2:33:29] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:33:30] Voice 6: I'll second that.

[2:33:34] Voice 7: Like, I don't know if

[2:33:35] Voice 7: it's technically possible,

[2:33:36] Voice 7: but if it's a matter of that there's some booster we can get or something, great.

[2:33:41] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:33:43] Voice 11: Thanks.

[2:33:44] Voice 11: We've got a motion moved and seconded, so it's open for discussion.

[2:33:46] Voice 11: I want to speak to your motion.

[2:33:47] Voice 11: Sure.

[2:33:47] Voice 3: Sure. So I'm just thinking, I don't know, but it could be that there is some financial reasonable contribution we could make to upgrade this and make life a lot better, and we could communicate better with our constituents.

[2:34:06] Voice 1: So

[2:34:06] Voice 3: I don't know. What is the size of the pipe in here? Is it a little piece of equipment we need to restore the room? Whatever.

[2:34:15] Voice 3: I do know that today with, of course, the number of people operating on it, I tried to get into our Islands Trust web dev, and it was just spinning, you know, trying to load it, and I thought maybe it's an issue with that site, so I tried something else, and what I found was it was the Wi-Fi, and anyway, so I thought it was worthy of exploration,

[2:34:39] Voice 3: and it would probably be our planners, Zupanets contacting our IT people and maybe talk to people who are listening and know the nature of the equipment.

[2:34:54] Voice 3: And if I

[2:34:55] Voice 3: can be of assistance, you know, in finding something out here locally, by all means call on me. But that's sort of what I have to speak.

[2:35:07] Voice 10: I'll

[2:35:07] Voice 11: speak to this

[2:35:08] Voice 11: it seems to vary quite a bit

[2:35:11] Voice 11: sometimes I'll get good readings

[2:35:13] Voice 11: and sometimes I think that's actually

[2:35:15] Voice 11: off the cellular

[2:35:16] Voice 11: but then just after lunch

[2:35:19] Voice 11: Mark tried to get into the computer here

[2:35:21] Voice 11: remotely and he couldn't

[2:35:23] Voice 11: get in

[2:35:24] Voice 11: so far

[2:35:28] Voice 11: today's tests

[2:35:29] Voice 11: have not been conclusive

[2:35:31] Voice 11: but all of our testing up until now means

[2:35:34] Voice 11: you know, things have happened, including just regular technical things to do with the connection.

[2:35:43] Voice 11: So, yes, you've got a little bit now. I'm just doing a speed test, by the way, while I was reminded of it.

[2:35:51] Voice 11: I heard from Chris yesterday who set up our sound system in the community hall.

[2:35:56] Voice 11: The community hall actually has usually better Wi-Fi, he said.

[2:36:01] Voice 11: it, and I took a couple of readings, we'll see, but he also said that he's having the

[2:36:09] Voice 11: last mile fiber down his driveway this week or something like that, he said, so anyway,

[2:36:18] Voice 11: maybe it'll only be a year or two until fiber optics cable is everywhere, but I support

[2:36:28] Voice 11: It's worth the idea because I think if there's a few people perhaps who come in on it, it might benefit the whole community, I don't know, but I think it's worth looking into because I think people now at this point in the pandemic, it's not a matter of expecting it, but I think we've already had proof of concept that it leads to better public participation and engagement for everybody.

[2:36:54] Voice 11: so I'll speak in favor. Anything you want to add to this? No? Okay. Then we've got a motion.

[2:37:02] Voice 11: Moved and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Okay,

[2:37:07] Voice 1: good. That passes unanimously.

[2:37:08] Voice 11: Thank you very much everybody.

[2:37:11] Voice 11: And we'll move on now to ILS Trust Conservancy

[2:37:16] Voice 11: report. It's from March, page 84, and I've given you a little bit of an update earlier in the meeting, but I will note, yeah, 111 properties to date and the species at risk funding terms that are going to advance for another three years, plus an extra top up for the current year.

[2:37:39] Voice 11: So this is great. The confidence is good in the Alliance Trust Conservancy.

[2:37:45] Voice 11: And I didn't know if anybody had any questions. I wasn't going to spend a lot of time on this.

[2:37:50] Voice 11: Except to say that I would love to find a way to bring it more into local trust committee meetings,

[2:37:57] Voice 11: but it's not really the business of the local trust committee.

[2:37:59] Voice 11: But just that it's the other arm of the Alliance Trust in helping to preserve and protect.

[2:38:05] Voice 11: And that that business is going along ahead of time too.

[2:38:08] Voice 11: I'd like to find ways for them to mesh closer together, but that means more resources.

[2:38:14] Voice 11: And I'll just say that we have concerns that as well as an increase in development applications that the planners have reported,

[2:38:23] Voice 11: there's also an increase in conservation applications, people wishing to inquire or interested in donations

[2:38:32] Voice 11: donations or want to find out more about the NAPTEC program or whatever. So there's kind of staff on that side are also in a bit of a high application period. But anyway,

[2:38:53] Voice 1: you can see

[2:38:53] Voice 11: we also received a $100,000 donation from Big Quest, Susan Bloom on Salt Spring.

[2:39:02] Voice 11: and we recently received a percentage of a gentleman's estate, and he had a connection with Morbia,

[2:39:14] Voice 11: and I took the copy of the Heron, this is a newsletter of the Islands Trust Conservancy,

[2:39:25] Voice 11: and this gentleman is, and anybody can sign up for this and get it online,

[2:39:30] Voice 11: line, or you can get it in hard copy in the mail if you like, and this was William Tempest,

[2:39:37] Voice 11: regularly met on Hornby to fish, hike, and discuss world affairs. Anyway, so he left

[2:39:45] Voice 11: a portion of his estate. So there's good things happening, and I'll just leave it at that

[2:39:51] Voice 11: unless anyone's got specific questions. Okay?

[2:39:54] Voice 3: I would just comment that I thought it was nice to see you in our agenda package.

[2:40:00] Voice 3: So much of it

[2:40:01] Voice 3: is just, you know, bold text and, you know, applications for this and that.

[2:40:07] Voice 3: You know, here we see some pictorial representation of what we're all about, supposedly.

[2:40:12] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:40:12] Voice 7: That was great.

[2:40:13] Voice 7: Very good.

[2:40:14] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:40:14] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:40:14] Voice 7: Totally.

[2:40:15] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:40:16] Voice 7: Well said.

[2:40:17] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:40:18] Voice 11: I reported to the Ellis Trust Conservancy Board that trustees were also welcoming the

[2:40:25] Voice 11: a new format of the newsletter because the Heron newsletter has been updated to reflect these fund

[2:40:33] Voice 11: development sort of angle that you heard about first council and I think this makes it more

[2:40:41] Voice 11: available to members of the community as well so the more you spread the word about it if you

[2:40:48] Voice 11: choose to and I meant to bring more copies for the back of the room but I didn't get them out

[2:40:54] Voice 11: in time is wrestling with the technology today. Okay, applications report, page 94. Questions

[2:41:00] Voice 11: for the planet?

[2:41:03] Voice 3: I have a question on an acronym, and I don't know if I've come across this

[2:41:06] Voice 3: before, but it talks about waiting for NOAA.

[2:41:09] Voice 11: Yes, I have that down too. Page

[2:41:11] Voice 11: 94. Who's

[2:41:12] Voice 3: NOAA? N-O-A. Something else.

[2:41:15] Voice 7: Ah, what is it? Notice assessment. Sounds good.

[2:41:21] Voice 3: A little

[2:41:22] Voice 7: typo

[2:41:23] Voice 7: was in there, I think.

[2:41:25] Voice 3: Assessment of what? Tax

[2:41:28] Voice 9: people? No. Title search has to be within 30 days. Submission, and perhaps that acronym relates to that title search.

[2:41:56] Voice 11: I saw it in a couple places. I think Marlis is using that.

[2:41:59] Voice 3: I thought it was notice all of, you know, but what's the A? That was the thing that was getting me.

[2:42:04] Voice 3: Anyway, all right. That

[2:42:06] Voice 11: was my same theory right now. Okay, great. So we might get that.

[2:42:12] Voice 11: uh okay more acronyms oh gosh okay and uh other are there other questions for the planner about

[2:42:22] Voice 11: the applications well

[2:42:23] Voice 7: i just have it's not direct but i'm looking at application on page um 95 of

[2:42:32] Voice 7: the package uh the second one for diana bridge the sightings permit 20 20 22 about a call and i'm

[2:42:42] Voice 7: I'm just wondering, and it was actually Harleen in her submission that made me think about that around lot coverage.

[2:42:46] Voice 7: Is a pool included in lot coverage? Is it a structure?

[2:42:51] Voice 11: Good question.

[2:42:54] Voice 9: The Denman-Landing style definition of a structure does include underground structures.

[2:43:03] And I don't think it invents pools, but every LUV does it differently.

[2:43:09] I'll just hold it up, and then you guys talk, and then I can

[2:43:12] Voice 9: clarify whether or not it's a pool.

[2:43:14] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:43:15] Voice 11: And there's so many different ways to have a pool as well, because some of them are above ground.

[2:43:20] Voice 11: Yeah, that's true. With the deck around the top, right? Sort of a tank.

[2:43:26] Voice 7: I mean, the fact that she needs a siting and use permit to build a pool would suggest that it's a structure.

[2:43:34] Voice 7: Because if you're building a pond, you don't need a siting and use permit.

[2:43:38] Voice 7: Like if you're digging a pond. Yes, I

[2:43:42] Voice 7: think it ought to be, is sort of my point, or maybe

[2:43:46] Voice 7: that's something, if it's not, that could be flagged for some later OCP LUB definitions review, if we ever review log coverage.

[2:43:56] Voice 7: Right.

[2:43:56] Voice 11: It's interesting because a similar question came up on , where a development variance permit

[2:44:07] Voice 10: was applied for in order to place a dug pool

[2:44:12] Voice 11: in the setback beside a conservation covenant prairie oak meadow, and I forget exactly what happened, but that's not important.

[2:44:26] Voice 11: The point is, was it structured? Was it allowed?

[2:44:31] Voice 11: What? If they moved it six feet that way, would it be allowed in the middle?

[2:44:36] Voice 11: Anyway, so that question I think is on their projects list as well, if I'm not mistaken.

[2:44:43] Voice 9: It's a good part of it, yeah.

[2:44:44] Voice 9: A pool could

[2:44:46] Voice 3: be a structure.

[2:44:47] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:44:48] Voice 3: So I have another question on those applications.

[2:44:57] Voice 3: It talked about the applicant must have the property professionally appraised.

[2:45:05] Voice 3: Would we be requiring that?

[2:45:09] Voice 3: And if so, in what context do we need to not appraise the value of the property?

[2:45:19] Voice 11: It's on page

[2:45:20] Voice 3: 699.

[2:45:25] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:45:45] Voice 9: As a requirement, and I don't know in some way what this is about.

[2:45:49] Voice 9: Oh, I see.

[2:45:50] Voice 11: It's under, oh, okay.

[2:45:53] Voice 9: Sorry, go ahead.

[2:45:53] Voice 9: But I think because there's an actual boundary adjustment, that appraisal is part of that process

[2:46:01] Voice 9: because the lots created additional land or have been reduced, I'm not sure in this case.

[2:46:07] Voice 9: And so that changes the lot size and perhaps that information is pertinent in terms of total lot area and the appraised value of that.

[2:46:19] Voice 9: It doesn't,

[2:46:26] Voice 10: it's not clear

[2:46:28] Voice 10: to me that it's Islands Trust who said that they must have a proper professional appraisal.

[2:46:36] Voice 10: So maybe, maybe you can follow up with an email?

[2:46:41] Voice 10: Uh, if you...

[2:46:43] Voice 10: Never

[2:46:44] Voice 3: mind, I was just curious as to why we weren't, if it was us.

[2:46:47] Voice 3: Right, why we wouldn't be doing it.

[2:46:49] Voice 3: It appears

[2:46:49] Voice 9: that's not a standard procedure.

[2:46:50] No, it's not, but

[2:46:52] Voice 9: yeah, Teresa would be able to give you an update.

[2:46:55] Voice 9: No, she's in July and then her child is pursuing before the pilot gets reassigned.

[2:47:02] Voice 10: That's pretty good.

[2:47:03] Voice 11: Okay, good.

[2:47:05] Voice 11: Yeah, and any more questions for the planner about the complications report?

[2:47:11] Voice 11: Nope.

[2:47:12] Voice 11: Okay, thank you.

[2:47:13] Voice 11: Then we'll move on.

[2:47:15] Voice 11: Trustee and local expense report.

[2:47:17] Voice 11: That is our page number here because it was March 27 to us.

[2:47:25] Voice 11: Yeah, July.

[2:47:26] Voice 11: And

[2:47:26] Voice 1: it was the

[2:47:27] Voice 11: end of the previous year. Anyway, March, right?

[2:47:31] Voice 11: So you received that electronic?

[2:47:33] Voice 11: I don't think

[2:47:34] Voice 7: I saw that.

[2:47:35] Voice 7: Did you see that?

[2:47:36] Voice 7: It gets sent

[2:47:37] Voice 7: as an email to the trust.

[2:47:38] Voice 7: Okay, I can get that.

[2:47:39] Voice 11: But I gather people didn't have questions about it?

[2:47:44] Voice 11: No.

[2:47:44] Voice 11: It was the end of the previous fiscal year, basically.

[2:47:48] Voice 11: Okay. All right, moving on then.

[2:47:51] Voice 11: 13.4, this is adopted policies and standing resolutions for everybody's reference, they're here, and I don't think I'm hearing, oh, go ahead.

[2:48:00] Voice 11: Yeah, well

[2:48:01] Voice 7: actually this last meeting we moved some business, we made a motion around asking staff to work with the trustee, which was me, around clarifying,

[2:48:17] Voice 7: this there's two static resolutions about housing enforcement and I did and

[2:48:24] Voice 7: I know the resolution we made actually was to ask staff to report and they

[2:48:29] Voice 7: didn't I spoke in person on the phone a couple times and that's email

[2:48:34] Voice 7: correspondence with enforcement manager Dingman and so I can report he I had a

[2:48:42] Voice 7: suggestion for sort of amalgamating and somewhat changing these standing two

[2:48:49] Voice 7: different standing resolutions around the forest garden housing to clarify

[2:48:53] Voice 7: simplify he said fine like he talked to me then I had a suggestion he says fine

[2:48:58] Voice 7: he had a few other suggestions I've incorporated those into a motion and

[2:49:07] Voice 7: And I just need to make sure, because it's complicated.

[2:49:16] Voice 7: What's the density bank one?

[2:49:19] Voice 7: Sorry, I just wanted to, I

[2:49:20] Voice 7: sent the motion to the minute taker, but I left out still one piece.

[2:49:26] Voice 7: I'm going to amend number seven.

[2:49:33] Voice 7: And talking out loud is terrible.

[2:49:43] Voice 7: I'm just making myself a note.

[2:50:06] Voice 7: So this is the motion I would like to make.

[2:50:17] Voice 7: and this is exactly what you have to do so i just will add actual to a separate motion

[2:50:24] Voice 7: that the deminola local trust committee amend standing resolution number 7 de 2021 015 so

[2:50:33] Voice 7: maybe i'll just give people a chance to have that in front of them

[2:50:36] Voice 7: yeah um by adding the following

[2:50:40] Voice 7: after d and this is what we're adding some more quotes and that the islands trust will not issue

[2:50:48] Voice 7: eviction notices and will balance the need for bylaw enforcement compliance with consideration

[2:50:53] Voice 7: of personal and community impacts of the current housing crisis, seeking to avoid contributing to

[2:50:58] Voice 7: homelessness, and that site inspection for the purpose of gathering information and communication

[2:51:03] Voice 7: with property owners will continue. So that's part of it. And by replacing the sentence,

[2:51:10] Voice 7: this standing resolution will be reviewed in one year's time with the phrase, and the

[2:51:15] Voice 7: on the local trust committee may change this policy at any given time and may give direction

[2:51:20] Voice 7: to resume enforcement activities.

[2:51:23] Voice 7: You

[2:51:27] Voice 11: got it all?

[2:51:28] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:51:28] Voice 11: Great.

[2:51:30] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:51:32] Voice 11: Do you

[2:51:33] Voice 7: want me to read that again?

[2:51:35] Voice 7: Sure.

[2:51:36] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:51:37] Voice 7: I wasn't sure about sending it to everyone because I thought that was kind of like a

[2:51:41] Voice 7: forum thing.

[2:51:42] Voice 7: This is one.

[2:51:43] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:51:44] Voice 7: So the purpose of the grant is to simply add to what's there by adding the following after D.

[2:51:51] Voice 7: And that the Islands Trust will not issue eviction notices and will balance the need for bylaw enforcement compliance

[2:51:57] Voice 7: with consideration of personal and community impacts of the current housing crisis,

[2:52:02] Voice 7: seeking to avoid contributing to homelessness,

[2:52:04] Voice 7: and that site inspection for the purpose of gathering information and communication with property owners will continue.

[2:52:11] Voice 7: And by replacing the sentence, this standing resolution will be reviewed in one year's time, we are afraid, and the Denver Island Local Trust Committee may change this policy at any given time and may give direction for its enforcement activities.

[2:52:24] Voice 10: To resume.

[2:52:25] Voice 7: Yes, thank you. Okay.

[2:52:28] Voice 11: All right. Do you wish, you've made a motion. Do I have a seconder?

[2:52:35] Voice 3: I'll second it for the purpose of discussion.

[2:52:37] Voice 11: Great. Would you like to speak to your motion?

[2:52:40] Voice 7: Tell us why.

[2:52:40] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:52:41] Voice 7: Well, first, there's also just to make my intentions clear, I then would put a motion on the floor to simply remove standing resolution number nine, because that talks about similar stuff, but it puts it in the context of a public health emergency, which is no longer the case.

[2:52:56] Voice 7: And the

[2:52:57] Voice 7: two, like it's a little bit confusing to have two different ones and which is, you know, which is which.

[2:53:02] Voice 7: And so some parts of that number nine are now in number six.

[2:53:06] Voice 7: We go with this in number four, or I guess it's number seven.

[2:53:14] Voice 7: This, what Manager Dingman says, this just makes explicit the way enforcement is carried out currently.

[2:53:23] Voice 7: they do not issue eviction notices he says he's never done it and can't imagine a situation where

[2:53:30] Voice 7: he would support the trust issuing an eviction notice and they certainly do balance like when

[2:53:36] Voice 7: they deal with housing issues they it's not exactly like dealing with a setback issue or

[2:53:42] Voice 7: stvr issue like it but it makes it explicit it's messaging and i think that's important

[2:53:48] Voice 7: And, you know, we've been asked to remove housing from the ticketing by-law, which I

[2:53:54] Voice 7: think is not getting it.

[2:53:56] Voice 7: That's just one of many tools that by-law enforcement has.

[2:54:01] Voice 7: I think what's underneath that is to recognize that by-law enforcement against housing has

[2:54:06] Voice 7: a certain human impact and a real capacity for, you know, like creating a really difficult

[2:54:16] Voice 7: both human situation and within a housing crisis there's a community

[2:54:20] Voice 7: interest in retaining housing so it's already done that way this is just

[2:54:24] Voice 7: making it very explicit to the community to hopefully quell some of those rumors

[2:54:29] Voice 7: that if you live in illegal housing you're not safe in your home and you can

[2:54:35] Voice 7: be kicked out at any time and you get the honest justice going around evicting

[2:54:40] Voice 7: people that's not the

[2:54:42] Voice 7: case it's not the case and I think I'd like to and I still

[2:54:46] Voice 7: i'm hearing these rumors makes it very explicit if manager jimmy leaves that a new manager would

[2:54:54] Voice 7: read this and they would understand that that's what we support here so there's also uh that and

[2:55:01] Voice 7: um i just i think

[2:55:03] Voice 7: it gets at why we have what we already have two standing resolutions why do we

[2:55:09] Voice 7: have them because we understand that that bio enforcement against housing does need to to do

[2:55:16] Voice 7: this to consider personal and community impacts of housing crisis and just to seek to avoid

[2:55:22] Voice 7: contributing to homelessness um and then other things are added here for clarity like and that

[2:55:27] Voice 7: site inspection will continue because um even if we aren't uh moving hard on enforcement i've

[2:55:36] Voice 7: actually had conversations in the last year with two different homeowners who

[2:55:39] Voice 7: had some like initial bylaw enforcement that allowed them to realize they had

[2:55:48] Voice 7: illegal housing but did not go so far as to say and you gotta get these people

[2:55:52] Voice 7: out and both of them were calling and asking me like I want to like now like I

[2:55:56] Voice 1: know

[2:55:56] Voice 7: it's illegal and I want to fix that like I want to

[2:56:00] Voice 1: change things up. They want to make them legal,

[2:56:02] Voice 7: they want to comply because they know that

[2:56:05] Voice 7: this resolution is probably not going to be here forever and they want to be legal so it's important

[2:56:09] Voice 7: that people know um and that they know that you know this is not we're not making a legal housing

[2:56:16] Voice 7: legal so um and that's partly what the last sentence is and i think what what uh warren said

[2:56:23] Voice 7: is that this idea of putting a time limit on it isn't there's a it isn't really supported by the

[2:56:30] Voice 7: legal context and that this is more the point this is a standing resolution like

[2:56:35] Voice 7: you can't you should be investing in building a legal dwelling based on a

[2:56:41] Voice 7: staffing resolution and making that really clear okay

[2:56:44] Voice 10: but it's not like I

[2:56:46] Voice 10: will say this is

[2:56:47] Voice 7: not as far as I understand and warranted clarify this

[2:56:52] Voice 7: it's not changing anything it's making it more explicit okay so we're gonna

[2:56:58] Voice 7: amend your

[2:56:59] Voice 11: proposal is to amend number seven the way you describe it yeah and then uh and then

[2:57:04] Voice 11: remove number nine omit yeah okay thank you is

[2:57:08] Voice 7: that a separate resolution i thought i turned

[2:57:10] Voice 7: it as a separate resolution so i haven't yet yeah just make sure that it's yeah okay

[2:57:14] Voice 10: good okay

[2:57:15] Voice 11: so my

[2:57:16] Voice 3: question is about mr beverage and health i thought he was going to phone in in reserve or

[2:57:36] reusable with

[2:57:38] Voice 3: respect to illegal. Are we just creating a moratorium indefinitely

[2:57:49] Voice 3: that we will not take any enforcement? We have these various triggers that are

[2:57:55] Voice 3: in there requiring, you know, two people from two sources.

[2:58:10] Voice 3: So if we've got all that stuff in there, it kind of conflates that we have some

[2:58:18] some sort of enforcement mechanism.

[2:58:20] But what is that enforcement mechanism at the end of the day

[2:58:25] if we're taking out, which is the ultimate thing,

[2:58:31] which we don't do, leaving

[2:58:34] Voice 3: in fines on a daily basis?

[2:58:43] Voice 7: I mean, in theory, yes.

[2:58:44] Voice 7: But again, I hear from Warren that this is not something

[2:58:48] Voice 7: that they ever used for house here,

[2:58:51] Voice 7: at least not on Denman and not...

[2:58:54] Voice 7: I said, well, have you ever anywhere in the trust area?

[2:58:56] Voice 7: He wasn't sure.

[2:58:56] Voice 7: So they do, like, this is it, like, it's, they're already being sort of extra careful,

[2:59:03] Voice 7: but they do enforce on illegal housing, like, they actually do, they successfully enforce

[2:59:08] Voice 7: on it.

[2:59:09] Voice 7: It tends to go fairly slowly, unless there's, he said there's been, like, one or two really,

[2:59:16] Voice 7: like, sort of scary situations in terms of environmental impact and fire safety.

[2:59:23] Voice 7: But it's all, everything we have for anything.

[2:59:25] Voice 7: There's, you could do tickets and fines, you can do...

[2:59:28] Voice 7: There's war ticket first, it's a whole...

[2:59:30] Voice 7: Yeah, and then

[2:59:31] Voice 7: there's, you know, different court approaches.

[2:59:35] Voice 7: He told me, but I don't remember the names, like a few different ways of involving the courts.

[2:59:42] Voice 7: And, yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, it's the same things we have for any other, any other type of bylaw infraction.

[2:59:55] Voice 7: But

[2:59:56] Voice 3: if you contemplate a court action,

[3:00:00] Voice 3: That ultimately is eviction, and you're going for an injunction to prevent the continued illegal use of a premise.

[3:00:13] Voice 3: The result of that is eviction, right, if the court makes an order.

[3:00:18] Voice 3: And if you have this in a standing order, which says you're not going to evict somebody,

[3:00:26] Voice 3: and we did go to court seeking an injunction,

[3:00:31] Voice 3: and the person will hold up a standing resolution and say,

[3:00:34] well, the local trust committee is saying that they're not going to revict

[3:00:39] and if you make your court order of enforcement,

[3:00:44] the result is an eviction.

[3:00:46] So I think that tool would be lost to us.

[3:00:51] I mean, not that we use it and not that I'm advocating

[3:00:55] that we lower

[3:00:57] Voice 3: the boom on people,

[3:00:58] Voice 3: But I'm just concerned that we are going further down a path of no rules with regard to illegal residences.

[3:01:08] They're de facto legal because nobody's going to enforce

[3:01:12] Voice 3: against them.

[3:01:16] Voice 11: I'll just say, as the off-island chair, and I've seen several versions of motions like this,

[3:01:26] Voice 11: I'm a little uncertain partly because I don't see a staff report I can't confirm

[3:01:35] Voice 11: it with staff so we're relying on Laura's report, her verbal report and I personally, I don't know if we could postpone this to the next meeting where we've got

[3:01:52] Voice 11: we're going to talk to?

[3:01:54] Voice 11: Sure.

[3:01:55] Voice 7: As I say, it's not really,

[3:01:57] Voice 7: the intention isn't to change things.

[3:02:00] Voice 1: It's to

[3:02:00] Voice 7: make it really clear.

[3:02:01] Voice 7: It's clarification.

[3:02:02] Voice 7: It was actually only

[3:02:04] Voice 7: a couple days ago when I

[3:02:07] Voice 7: started to make my notes for this meeting

[3:02:09] Voice 7: and I went back and I looked at the resolution we made

[3:02:13] Voice 7: last meeting

[3:02:14] Voice 7: and we really did ask for a report.

[3:02:16] Voice 7: And

[3:02:16] Voice 7: at least he should be on the phone

[3:02:20] Voice 7: and we should clarify that.

[3:02:22] Voice 7: Because, yeah, the way I see it, the trust will not issue eviction notices.

[3:02:28] Voice 7: If, due to our bylaw enforcement actions, someone else issues an eviction notice, that's their business.

[3:02:35] Voice 7: Like a property owner may get a letter and say, God, I'm going to evict my people.

[3:02:42] Voice 7: And that's their business.

[3:02:46] Voice 7: But we won't be doing that.

[3:02:48] Voice 7: So anyway, but let's just defer this. Has the motion been made and seconded?

[3:02:54] Voice 7: Yes, it's been both made and seconded. So now I think

[3:02:58] Voice 11: I need a motion to postpone.

[3:03:00] Voice 11: I believe to postpone, yeah.

[3:03:07] So

[3:03:10] Voice 7: I need somebody to move that the motion be postponed to the next regular meeting.

[3:03:14] Voice 7: I will move that the previous motion regarding by-law enforcement static resolution be postponed until the next regular

[3:03:28] Voice 7: Devin Onland meeting.

[3:03:30] Voice 11: Very good. Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Very good.

[3:03:33] Voice 11: Any more discussion? All in favor?

[3:03:35] Voice 11: All right. Quick, because Sonia's leaving the room. Okay, so we're going to zip through here. Our staff have to catch the ferry, so

[3:03:41] Voice 11: So we're nearly at the end here. Are there any questions before we leave about the top priorities report or the project's report?

[3:03:50] Voice 11: I'm skipping over the whole committee web page.

[3:03:53] Voice 11: The only update I can provide for Venlo is that

[3:03:56] Voice 9: we weren't able to secure any additional money from any magical pot.

[3:04:02] Voice 9: However, we are engaging with three potential direct award consultants to undertake the work, so hopefully we'll have an update by email shortly.

[3:04:11] Voice 9: very good okay thank

[3:04:13] Voice 11: you and next and I'll skip over the information item we

[3:04:17] Voice 11: mentioned that before making sure I'm not missing anything 16.1 next regular

[3:04:23] Voice 11: meeting scheduled for Tuesday July 19th at 1030 here at the Denman activity

[3:04:28] Voice 11: center and we may have the farm meeting before that but otherwise there's no

[3:04:36] Voice 11: closed meeting and I'd like a motion to adjourn

[3:04:39] Voice 11: Absolutely. Thank you. Seconded. Very good. So, this motion is then adjourned. Thank you and goodbye everybody.

[3:04:46] Voice 11: I'm going to stop recording this time.

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Denman Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 31, 2022 
Denman Activity Centre 
1111 Northwest Rd, Denman Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair  
 David Critchley, Local Trustee  
 Laura Busheikin, Local Trustee  
   
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner  
 Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager (via telephone)  
 Vicky Bockman, Recorder  
 
Others Present: Approximately seven (7) members of the public 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:38 am.  She welcomed the public, introduced 
Trustees, staff and recorder, and acknowledged that the meeting was being held in territory of 
the Coast Salish First Nations.  
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration: 
 12.2 - WiFi Upgrade 
 
DE-2022-050 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee approve the agenda as amended. 
CARRIED 
3. RISE AND REPORT - IN CAMERA MEETING NOVEMBER 2, 2021 
Chair Fast reported that an In Camera meeting was held on November 2, 2021. 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Critchley provided a summary of activities and meetings attended including: 
 A Special Local Trust Committee (LTC) meeting where a presentation and facilitated 
question and answer session were conducted on the Farm Regulations Review 
project; 

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 A Special electronic LTC meeting where the Denman Green and Housing Review 
projects were considered; 
 A Denman Island Newcomer Event which was well attended; 
 Trust Programs Committee where discussion included Trust Policy Statement next 
steps and recommendations for Community Stewardship Awards; 
 BC Ferry update: A meeting in Victoria with the Minister of Transportation and our 
MLA was well received, however, BC Ferries has communicated that there will not 
be much change for this year. 
 
Trustee Busheikin provided a summary of activities and meetings attended including: 
 Two Special LTC meetings and the Newcomers Event mentioned in Trustee 
Critchley’s report; 
 Regional Planning Committee meetings - reviewing scientific work being done on 
groundwater mapping and protection; and an initiative requesting the provincial 
government to create a Housing Authority or Housing Body for the Islands Trust 
Area were discussed; 
 Tea with Trustee and calls from community members; 
 Information packages on Islands Trust are now available and have been sent out to 
newcomers. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast provided a summary of activities and meetings attended including: 
 Islands Trust Conservancy meeting – 111 properties in the Trust Area are now 
protected, and the Species at Risk funding from the Federal Government has been 
extended for three years; 
 Bowen Island Municipal Council; 
 Executive Committee; 
 Gambier Island LTC; 
 The next Trust Council meeting will be held in June. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
5. TOWNHALL 
 The Islands Trust was encouraged to do all they can and to be creative to make more 
affordable housing options for people. 
 Finding a legal house to rent is almost impossible. Concern was expressed that it is possible 
to rent a B&B but not rental housing. The Islands Trust was encouraged to explore options 
other than new buildings, using existing buildings to improve the lack of legal rental housing. 
6. DELEGATIONS 
6.1 Harlene Holm regarding Carrying Capacity in All Local Trust Committee Decisions 
Harlene Holm presented her submission asking the LTC to enact bylaws to set limits on 
land use and build-out, and to update the Official Community Plan (OCP) to best 
represent residents’ collective stewardship of this finite island; and for Trust Council to 
call for Trust Area carrying capacity safeguards plus advocacy to extend safeguards to 
the policies and actions of other levels of government.  

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The presentation included discussion of water, land, housing and diversity in this 
context and provided options and possible solutions, pointing out that carrying capacity 
needs to be defined in terms of protecting the environment. 
6.2 Riane Da Silva regarding Agricultural Land Reserve (ALR) Regulations and Secondary 
Dwellings on ALR Lands 
Riane Da Silva presented a petition, signed by hundreds of Denman Island residents and 
non-resident property owners, asking the LTC to: 
1. Change Bylaw No. 228 (Land Use Bylaw (LUB)) and Bylaw No. 229 (OCP) to align 
with Provincial ALR regulations allowing secondary dwellings on all ALR lands; 
2. To impose no restrictions beyond the provincial ones, on these year around 
dwellings; 
3. To ensure that these dwellings are not used for vacation and other short term 
rentals. 
She asked the LTC to make the bylaw changes necessary to allow the secure housing of 
Denman Island residents and to remove the stress of potential bylaw enforcement at 
peoples’ homes. 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated March 22, 2022- for adoption 
By general consent the minutes dated March 22, 2022 were adopted. 
7.2 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated April 21, 2022 - for adoption 
By general consent the minutes dated April 21, 2022 were adopted. 
7.3 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated April 29, 2022 - for adoption 
DE-2022-051 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the words “as amended” be added to resolution DE-2022-041 after “2021”. 
CARRIED 
By general consent the minutes dated April 29, 2022 were adopted as amended. 
7.4 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting - none 
7.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List dated May 25, 2022 
Received. 
8.2 Fees Bylaw No. 245 - Staff Report - for decision 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the Staff Report that asks the LTC to 
consider three readings of Fees Bylaw No. 245 which updates the document, and 
provides fee options based on the Trust Council (TC) model and recommendations from 
Trustee Busheikin. She advised that Trust Council has indicated that the model fees 

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should not be modified by more than 20% and that, as many of the fees recommended 
by Trustee Busheikin constitute a variation of more than 20%, there is a risk that the 
bylaw could be rejected by the Executive Committee (EC) when presented to them for 
approval. 
She commented that although the term “Community Benefit” is referenced in the 
bylaw, she expressed concern that the Denman Island OCP does not define that term 
which would require staff to make subjective decisions as to what constitutes a 
community benefit. 
Trustee Busheikin spoke to her recommendations with the following noted: 
 As Chair of the Regional Planning Committee (RPC) she has worked on this initiative 
for two years; the intent of the RPC was to allow flexibility to LTCs in their suggested 
variations from the TC model; the process allows for LTCs to recommend changes 
and for EC to review and make a decision; 
 Many communities have not raised fees for many years and the TC model may 
represent a change that is too large, too fast; 
 Most of these applications are not for development, rather are single family homes, 
small businesses; 
 No increases proposed are more than 50% and respond to the needs of our 
community; 
 She proposed that the LTC forward her recommended changes to the EC and 
consider a gradual increase of fees over a few years. 
Other Trustees commented on the proposed fee changes: 
 Support was expressed for the TC model fees, preferring the fees to be uniform 
throughout the Trust Area;  
 A user-pay principal is supported; reducing the fees for applications places a burden 
on the taxpayers to subsidize development applications.  
 
DE-2022-052 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee By law No. 245, cited as “Denman Island  
Local Trust Committee Fees By law, 2022”, be read a first time. 
 
When asked by the Chair if there is any discussion on the motion, Trustees requested the following 
amendments to the motion: 
 with the inclusion of a new type of application “Amendment for affordable housing 
inclusive of change to density or Official Community Plan or Zoning” to have a fee of 
$1,500; 
 and including the category “Temporary Use Permit for residential uses under 95 square 
metres through allowing secondary dwellings” and that the fee for this be $440; 
 
A Trustee commented that this option has only been used once, will be a part of discussion in the 
upcoming Farm Regulation Review and Housing Review projects. This reduced fee was recommended by 
the Regional Planning Committee. 
 

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 Include: “Temporary Use Permit Renewal for a secondary dwelling” with the fee of 
$165. 
 
Trustee Busheikin commented that she feels the increase in fees is too drastic in many areas and she 
does not share the philosophy of her colleagues. She said the average income on Denman Island is 
significantly lower than the Comox Valley average and feels it would have been justified to lower the 
fees as she recommended. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-053 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee By law No. 245, cited as “Denman Island  
Local Trust Committee Fees By law, 2022”, be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-054 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee By law No. 245, cited as “Denman Island  
Local Trust Committee Fees By law, 2022”, be read a third time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-055 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee By law No. 245, cited as “Denman Island  
Local Trust Committee Fees By law, 2022”, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands 
Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
9.1 DE-RZ-2021.1 (Denman Housing Association (DHA) - verbal update - for decision 
Planner Zupanec provided an overview of the Public Hearing that was held, reporting 
that approximately 35 members of the public were in attendance, approximately 12 
written submissions were received, and that there were no specific requests for 
amendments to the OCP or LUB bylaws. 
DE-2022-056 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee By law No. 241, cited as “Denman Island 
Official Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be read a third time. 
 
Trustee Critchley commented that there was overwhelming support for these bylaws voiced at the 
Public Hearing. He noted that while some aspects, such as the subsidized rent, have not yet been 
finalized, overall this is a good project and he commended the applicants for the work that has gone into 
this proposal. He acknowledged that the need for affordable housing on Denman Island is well 
documented and significant; rate of child poverty is an issue of troubling concern. He observed that 
there is more to be done before actualizing the building. 
 
Trustee Busheikin remarked that the Public Hearing had been constructive. She responded to concern 
regarding the density transfer aspect of this application, indicating that this collaboration of parties will 
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explained that the density transfer does not increase density, rather moves them from one area to 
another.  
 
Chair Fast agreed on the value of this project, noting that communities need all sorts of people and all 
are valuable members of the community.  
CARRIED 
DE-2022-057 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 241, cited as “Denman Island 
Official Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be forwarded to the Secretary 
of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-058 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee forward Bylaw No. 241, cited as 
“Denman Island Official Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, to the 
Ministry of Municipal Affairs for approval. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-059 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 242, cited as “Denman Island 
Land Use Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be read a third time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-060 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 242, cited as “Denman Island 
Land Use Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be forwarded to the Secretary of the 
Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-061 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 243, cited as “Denman Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 243, 2021”, be amended by adding the numbers 241 and 
242 in clause B.  
CARRIED 
DE-2022-062 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 243, cited as “Denman Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 243, 2021, as amended, be read a third time.  
CARRIED 
DE-2022-063 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 243, cited as “Denman Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 243, 2021, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands 
Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
 
Trustee Busheikin responded to a comment heard at the Public Hearing that expressed concern that the 
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have been many communications with those including at the Public Hearing, personally as a Trustee, the 
Advisory Planning Commission response, and through Denman Housing Association. She did recognize 
the need to put more energy and resources into increasing community engagement. 
CARRIED 
Chair Fast invited the applicant to speak. Simon Palmer on behalf of DHA thanked the 
LTC for their support, and thanked Planner Zupanec for the hard work on this 
application. 
9.1.1 Bylaw No. 241 
Received. 
9.1.2 Bylaw No. 242 
Received. 
9.1.3 Bylaw No. 243 
Received. 
9.1.4 Restrictive Covenant 
Received. 
By general consent the meeting was recessed at 12:45 pm and reconvened at 1:30 pm. 
9.2 Bylaw No. 240 - Siting and Use Bylaw - Staff Report - for consideration of adoption 
DE-2022-064 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 240 cited as "Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Siting and Use Permit Bylaw No. 240, 2021", be adopted.  
CARRIED 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Denman Island Farming Regulation Review Project - Staff Report - for decision 
Planner Zupanec presented the Staff Report that asks the LTC to consider endorsing a 
special LTC meeting to review the consultant’s findings and review proposed next steps. 
She suggested that the meeting could be held electronically with a limited agenda 
including the Farming Regulation Review project and a Town Hall. 
DE-2022-065 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to set up an electronic 
special meeting for late June or early July to consider further steps in the Denman Island 
Farming Regulations Review project. 
CARRIED 
A Trustee commented that there is significant community interest in the topic of 
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dwellings on ALR lands may not be used for the intended purposes of farm staff housing, 
extended family housing, or stable housing for community members.  Staff was asked to 
consider if there are tools or ways to shape the regulations to ensure secondary 
dwellings on ALR lands are not used for other purposes. 
Trustees suggested that discussing agenda item 11.1 at this time might be warranted. 
Trustee Busheikin declared a potential conflict of interest due to her position as a Director of Triple Rock 
Land Cooperative and left the meeting at 1:45 pm. 
Planner Zupanec advised that the email from R. Dickson on behalf of Triple Rock Land 
Cooperative (TRLC) requests expanding the scope of the Farming Regulations Review 
Project Charter to include a site specific zoning amendment for their parcel. She 
reported that this would normally be a site specific application, and has not been 
included as a part of the consultant’s work contract. 
LTC members discussed the request and process, noting that public consultation has 
already begun on this project, and expressed the preference to conduct and complete 
the Farming Regulation Review project as planned, and to look at individual properties 
on a separate basis. 
DE-2022-066 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to write to the Triple Rock 
Land Cooperative advising them that the Local Trust Committee has decided not to 
proceed with an amendment to the Denman Island Farming Regulations Review Project 
Charter at this time and that they are encouraged to make a bylaw amendment 
application. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Busheikin returned to the meeting at 1:55 pm. 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11.1 Email dated May 20, 2022 from R. Dickson on behalf of Triple Rock Land Cooperative 
(TRLC) – Formal Request Regarding Amendments on the TRLC Property 
This was discussed at agenda item 10.1. 
12. NEW BUSINESS 

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12.1 Annual Report - Staff Report - for decision 
DE-2022-067 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee endorse the following text for inclusion 
in the 2021-2022 Annual Report for approval by the Islands Trust Council and 
submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs & Housing. 
“The Denman Island Local Trust Committee (DEILTC) held four regular business 
meetings, three special business meetings and one special meeting/Community 
Information Meeting in the 2021/22 fiscal year, for a total of eight meetings. 
 
Work for this period focused on advancing two bylaw amendment applications for 
affordable housing projects and reviving the Denman Farm Plan implementation 
project. The DEILTC was also successful in acquiring Trust Council budget approval to 
advance an Official Community Plan (OCP)/Land Use Bylaw project in 2022/23 focused 
on housing. 
 
The DEILTC also amended their Fees bylaw and Meeting Procedures bylaw to allow all 
LTC meetings to be electronic when needed. 
 
From April 1, 2021 to March 31, 2022, staff reviewed 15 siting and use permits, one 
crown lease referral, one Agricultural Land Reserve referral, and two subdivision 
referrals in the Denman Island Local Trust Area for a total of 19 referral reviews.” 
CARRIED 
12.2 WiFi Upgrade 
Trustee Critchley spoke of the WiFi limitations at this meeting location. 
DE-2022-068 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to research the possibility 
of the Islands Trust upgrading the WiFi at the Denman Activity Centre. 
Trustee Critchley spoke to the motion, suggesting that a financial contribution might be made to 
upgrade the WiFi at this location in order to improve communications with constituents. 
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated March 22, 2022 
Received. 
13.1.1 The Heron - Spring 2022 
Received. 
13.2 Applications Report dated May 25, 2022 
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13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated March, 2022 
Received electronically. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Trustee Busheikin advised that at the March 22, 2022 meeting Standing Resolutions 
regarding bylaw enforcement of unlawful dwellings was deferred. She advised that 
there is no staff report to reference, however, she did speak to Bylaw Enforcement staff 
and received their concurrence that this suggested change provides clarity and makes 
explicit the way enforcement is currently carried out. 
 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee amend Standing Resolution No. 7.  
DE-2021-015: 
by adding the following: after d) “and that the Islands Trust will not issue eviction 
notices and will balance the need for bylaw enforcement compliance with consideration 
of personal and community impacts of the current housing crisis, seeking to avoid 
contributing to homelessness, and that site inspection for the purpose of gathering 
information and communication with property owners will continue.” 
and 
by replacing the sentence "This Standing Resolution will be reviewed in one year's time" 
with the phrase "and that the Denman island Local Trust Committee may change this 
policy at any given time and may give direction to resume enforcement activities." 
 
Trustees debated the motion and expressed concerns regarding process, wishing to defer consideration 
of this resolution to a future meeting with Bylaw Enforcement input.  The motion was tabled and 
question on the motion was not called. 
DE-2022-069 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the motion regarding the Bylaw Enforcement Standing Resolution be postponed 
until the next regular Denman Island Local Trust Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
No changes. 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated May 25, 2022 
Planner Zupanec provided an update on the Housing Review project, advising that staff 
investigated, however, were not able to secure additional funds for the project.  Staff 
are engaging with potential consultants and will have an update shortly. 
14.2 Projects List Report dated May 25, 2022 
Received. 

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15. INFORMATION ITEMS 
15.1 Islands Trust Council Decision Highlights - March 8-10, 2022 
Received. 
16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:30 am at Denman 
Activity Centre, 1111 Northwest Road, Denman Island, BC 
17. CLOSED MEETING - none 
18. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:26 pm. 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Vicky Bockman, Recorder