Islands Trust Council community information meeting, June 6, 2022

[0:00:01] Voice 11: I should have checked the period.

[0:00:02] Voice 11: Then I would have printed something.

[0:00:04] Voice 11: I

[0:00:04] Voice 4: mean, we can do things like minutes.

[0:00:06] Voice 11: We can

[0:00:07] Voice 4: do a number of your routine things.

[0:00:20] Voice 11: I like the way that you've modified the website

[0:00:24] Voice 11: to get access to the minutes and stuff a lot easier, quicker.

[0:00:30] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:00:30] Voice 16: You

[0:00:31] Voice 11: don't have to go in there and play around for five minutes.

[0:00:33] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:00:34] Voice 8: I'm

[0:00:38] Voice 15: going to start the meeting up, and I'm going to start the party.

[0:00:40] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:00:40] Voice 15: so you know that we're not over live streams and uh i'm going to start so

[0:00:54] Voice 11: what's your protocol

[0:00:55] Voice 11: all along to keep the recording

[0:00:57] Voice 15: of i'm not sure if we have it's like i suppose it'll probably

[0:01:09] think uh it'll be

[0:01:10] Voice 15: about data storage i don't know if anybody's starting to think

[0:01:27] when you

[0:01:36] Voice 11: have a meeting can you uh like take part in the uh if you're remote can you take part in

[0:01:44] Voice 11: not unless

[0:01:45] Voice 15: we set it up yeah we set it up as a pure zoom webinar and

[0:01:52] Voice 2: it takes staff in behind

[0:01:54] Voice 2: the scenes to uh administer that yeah

[0:01:57] Voice 11: well you'd have to have somebody at least running zoom or

[0:02:00] Voice 11: wherever yeah it

[0:02:03] Voice 11: would sure add to the infrastructure but it would make it convenient

[0:02:25] Voice 2: Yeah, it's in the kitchen. Okay. Actually, I think if you go into Gaia, and then Galleon

[0:02:35] Voice 2: Club, I think that's okay. But if not, it's on the walls. Oh, thank you. You're thinking

[0:02:40] Voice 14: password. I think so.

[0:02:41] Voice 4: If you don't get in, then it's on the wall in by the telephone

[0:02:45] Voice 4: put in the kitchen yes

[0:02:49] Voice 15: sir i want to say a couple words line up sign up we'll get to you sir

[0:02:55] Voice 15: we'll get you sir we haven't started quite started the meeting yet

[0:02:59] Voice 15: hello chair

[0:03:05] Voice 9: rogers yes hi william hi can you hear me okay we can hear you just fine

[0:03:10] Voice 9: okay great thank you we're

[0:03:12] Voice 13: not we haven't started because uh but we may start because brad the

[0:03:17] Voice 13: fairies running late brad's not here yet yeah

[0:03:19] Voice 15: okay uh but we may start to do the other business like

[0:03:23] Voice 15: stuff with trustee reports and town hall and uh although it's good for brad to hear what the town

[0:03:29] Voice 9: hall commentary is as

[0:03:31] Voice 16: well i

[0:03:32] Voice 9: wonder if he can sign in uh he

[0:03:36] Voice 13: might be my

[0:03:36] Voice 9: guess is he's probably

[0:03:37] Voice 9: getting off right about now they

[0:03:40] Voice 13: said it was about

[0:03:40] Voice 13: 25 30 minutes late

[0:03:42] Voice 2: there was a bit of traffic

[0:03:46] right

[0:03:47] Voice 13: so uh thank you for anybody who's joined us virtually

[0:03:52] Voice 15: through our live live stream broadcast

[0:03:55] Voice 15: welcome to the uh galliano local trust committee regular meeting of june the 6th of 2022

[0:04:04] Voice 15: i'm my name is dan rogers and i'm the chair of the gallery and i want to start by acknowledging

[0:04:10] Voice 15: unit for meeting uh in the traditional territories of the coast salish peoples who have lived in the

[0:04:16] and uh in this area and designed and worked and fished

[0:04:21] Voice 15: for millennia and we're we're very

[0:04:25] Voice 15: privileged to

[0:04:25] Voice 13: be able to meet me here and work here i uh as always when i come to galley i want

[0:04:31] Voice 13: to cross the salish sea and i'm reminded of what a gorgeous place it is and how powerful um we uh

[0:04:38] Voice 13: uh are uh are continuing with we're having our meeting today uh we're a little late starting

[0:04:45] Voice 13: and i'm sort of not pausing but uh where the planner has not arrived because the

[0:04:51] Voice 13: ferry from victoria was late but i see that somebody else that i know i came from victoria

[0:04:57] Voice 13: just walked in so i expected to be here momentarily

[0:04:59] Voice 15: do you want that

[0:05:01] Voice 16: ferry did

[0:05:02] Voice 15: you see brad

[0:05:04] Voice 15: okay he'll be here momentarily in any case we're going to start the meeting um and thank everyone

[0:05:10] Voice 15: for joining us this is the uh i want to introduce the people you're going to see today as i said my

[0:05:17] Voice 15: name is dan rogers uh and um

[0:05:20] Voice 13: i will i i recognize that that um that covid is very much still with us

[0:05:28] Voice 13: um and that uh we are very cognizant of that but we are meeting in person and live streaming this

[0:05:36] Voice 13: meeting you will see me occasionally take my my mask off uh when i'm talking because i've found

[0:05:44] Voice 13: that when if i try and talk without with a

[0:05:46] Voice 15: mask on it's very difficult for the recording to pick

[0:05:49] Voice 15: me up and um and so i like to be able to so i will you'll see me put it on and off but i will

[0:05:55] Voice 15: mostly when i'm not speaking uh the

[0:05:57] Voice 13: mask uh we are continuing with our i'll call it a sort of a

[0:06:01] Voice 13: modified hybrid meeting process we are meeting in person like we used to do before covet um that's

[0:06:09] Voice 13: all there was we had and uh trustee rockefeller's uh iphone recording recording to facebook i know

[0:06:19] Voice 13: that seems like a long time ago anyway uh and so we're this is on this is being live stream

[0:06:27] Voice 13: and it's being recorded uh so that everyone uh anyone who wants to can watch um and can uh and

[0:06:37] Voice 13: can also uh be part of and can watch the recording at a later date and learn what it is that was

[0:06:43] Voice 15: was determined during the course of the meetings um we still have people coming in so i may pause

[0:06:51] Voice 15: so that people can get settled into their place uh but the uh the meeting will be doing that let

[0:06:58] Voice 15: me introduce a few people to you you will see on your screen myself and you will also see uh

[0:07:04] Voice 15: your local trustees trustee wolverton and trustee robert nice to see you we have carly billy who's

[0:07:11] Voice 15: the reporter and i'm expecting any minute the planner is brad smith to arrive

[0:07:15] Voice 13: he is not here yet

[0:07:17] Voice 13: because i know that the ferry was was late um the system that we have in place allows us to broadcast

[0:07:25] Voice 13: and record uh but uh it is not and we can bring the office a few people in by uh by zoom to

[0:07:33] Voice 13: participate uh for example william shulma is here uh the uh the uh island water specialist

[0:07:42] Voice 13: freshwater specialist and i expected we're going to have um planner and richard chadwick join us

[0:07:49] Voice 13: later

[0:07:49] Voice 15: by zoom but it does not allow for uh for involvement in the meeting remotely for other

[0:07:57] Voice 15: than those people who are participants in the meeting um so uh that's the the macro how we're

[0:08:05] Voice 15: going how this process is going to work and in fact planter smith has just walked in the door

[0:08:11] Voice 15: um and so i'll i'm just going to pause for a minute let him get set up so that we uh

[0:08:16] Voice 15: uh i just started starting the meeting um clara smith so uh

[0:08:23] Voice 13: the um we have probably

[0:08:27] Voice 13: i'm going to say 20 to 25 people in the room with us thank you all for joining us

[0:08:33] Voice 13: um and uh we will be proceeding through with the agenda and the meeting uh and thank you

[0:08:39] Voice 13: all for being

[0:08:39] Voice 15: here so i'm going to just wait a moment uh before i turn to the trustees

[0:08:47] Voice 8: and that's it for me i'm

[0:11:24] Voice 4: sorry i missed last month's meeting let's step back and

[0:11:30] Voice 2: okay um uh this month one of the things as a follow-up to the previous meeting was uh

[0:11:36] Voice 2: uh i met with patrick ramsay

[0:11:43] Voice 15: thank you sorry for those watching i wasn't i forgot to unmute and i have now done

[0:11:50] Voice 4: So as a follow-up to last month's meeting, I had a discussion with Patrick Ramsey and Stephen Reibach on cell towers.

[0:12:01] Voice 4: And so there's a lot kind of, what can I say?

[0:12:08] Voice 4: The question was, is the

[0:12:10] Voice 2: LTC standing in the way of cell towers?

[0:12:15] Voice 2: And there

[0:12:15] Voice 4: is a protocol, and that's what we're standing with.

[0:12:19] Voice 4: And so it was in relation to Rogers.

[0:12:25] Voice 4: So the Southern Gulf Island Forum is going to be meeting in July regarding anchorages,

[0:12:31] Voice 4: and that's going to include all the elected people in the area as well as the First Nations

[0:12:35] Voice 4: to talk about the anchorages that continue off of these islands.

[0:12:43] Voice 4: i yesterday attended the opening of the galleon conservancy's eco-project and i would

[0:12:49] Voice 4: recommend to people if you have a chance to go to the yellow house between now and

[0:12:54] Voice 4: and the well to look at the at the information there and also to look uh to reach the report

[0:13:04] Voice 2: board which is quite long but

[0:13:06] Voice 2: uh it's looking at the um the

[0:13:11] Voice 4: demand the ecological footprint

[0:13:12] Voice 4: uh is the demand that humans put on the net our natural resources and the biocapacities the

[0:13:19] Voice 4: capacity of uh our island to regenerate the resources that we use and absorb our waste so

[0:13:26] Voice 4: it's looking at the balance and we are we are using more than we are regenerating so um we

[0:13:33] Voice 4: there are recommendations about how that could be brought more into balance.

[0:13:39] Voice 4: June 21st is the summer solstice and National Indigenous Day.

[0:13:45] Voice 4: And there are lots of publications that can help us understand the importance of reconciliation

[0:13:50] Voice 4: and the impact of residential schools,

[0:13:53] Voice 2: the Indian Act, the 60s scoop, and so on.

[0:13:56] Voice 2: And lastly, just to mention the good news on the James Island front,

[0:14:01] Voice 2: bc has rejected the subdivision application of a u.s owner for 76 residential and

[0:14:06] Voice 4: commercial lots

[0:14:08] Voice 4: the decision included concerns about access portable water sewage environmental impact

[0:14:15] Voice 4: and the sale of aboriginal interests and the southern gulf island of which your trustees

[0:14:20] Voice 4: or members also advocated for this outcome uh the sale were forced off the island in 1870

[0:14:27] Voice 4: when the government sold the 770 acre island for one dollar per acre and the sale received nothing

[0:14:35] Voice 16: that's fine

[0:14:35] Voice 4: okay thank

[0:14:39] Voice 15: you um yes and just just uh on that james island it is an incredibly

[0:14:45] Voice 15: important decision uh that's worth a read i'm not sure it's been published per se and i've seen it

[0:14:51] Voice 15: um uh but it's uh it's not very often an approving officer with the motive makes a decision of that

[0:15:01] Voice 15: that impact

[0:15:01] Voice 13: and it's if you find it it's worth a read and it wasn't just the something about

[0:15:09] Voice 13: violence for it but it's also the north tender local trust community that advocated for that

[0:15:13] Voice 13: outcome despite the fact that the zoning was was in place they advocated

[0:15:17] Voice 15: that it wasn't in public

[0:15:18] Voice 15: interest but it was mostly the sale the work on that and it's their concerns that are are being

[0:15:26] Voice 15: reflected uh i want to also just mention there's lots of work obviously going on at the trust

[0:15:31] Voice 15: generally uh trust council

[0:15:34] Voice 13: is

[0:15:35] Voice 15: on june 21

[0:15:37] Voice 13: through 23rd you can find all the information you would

[0:15:41] Voice 13: want about that at the um on our website uh there will be it will be a fully electronic meeting um

[0:15:51] Voice 13: um as a as a budget

[0:15:55] Voice 15: uh consideration to save the cost of travel etc the the meeting will be

[0:16:02] Voice 15: as we were doing that during pandemic so we passed a resolution i guess we'll see what the

[0:16:07] Voice 15: next trust council does to have fully electronic meetings twice in a in a term and sorry in a year

[0:16:14] Voice 15: and have two in-person meetings as well which are also broadcast so that's the plan um like

[0:16:21] Voice 15: many things that we're doing the it's still a work in progress and we'll see how well that works with

[0:16:26] Voice 15: the coming together of the um

[0:16:28] Voice 13: of the being we have an in-person meeting in december one in march

[0:16:33] Voice 13: and the plan is of course when the new trustees

[0:16:36] Voice 15: uh the new trust council is sworn in in early

[0:16:38] Voice 15: november that will be an in-person meeting as well um so there will be three but the one in

[0:16:43] Voice 15: in June and the one in

[0:16:44] Voice 13: September are webinar-based

[0:16:48] Voice 15: meetings

[0:16:49] Voice 15: which are run by our staff in terms of making

[0:16:54] Voice 15: the meeting work will be run out of the Victoria office.

[0:16:59] Voice 15: The town hall slash public comment period

[0:17:02] Voice 15: is on the Tuesday evening along with delegation.

[0:17:06] Voice 15: We haven't finalized the agenda.

[0:17:08] Voice 15: I've seen four delegations on the request list

[0:17:11] Voice 15: this because our executive committee is on wednesday and we'll be trying to finalize what

[0:17:15] Voice 15: the agenda looks like for um june 21st and that will be i think the agenda package ends up going

[0:17:22] Voice 15: being posted to the website on this

[0:17:25] Voice 13: come next friday so no this coming friday so whatever that

[0:17:29] Voice 13: is um in the meantime uh as well on the agenda and in the ec package for

[0:17:38] Voice 15: wednesday if you want

[0:17:39] Voice 15: to get a pre-look at it is the results of the of the public community consultation related to the

[0:17:48] Voice 15: trust policy statement uh it's a lengthy document but not nearly as lengthy as some of the background

[0:17:54] Voice 15: documents it's about 140 i actually look i shouldn't say but it's a long document that

[0:18:00] Voice 15: there is a summary

[0:18:01] Voice 13: of all the community consultation

[0:18:04] Voice 13: and that document and that consideration will be at trust council in june

[0:18:09] Voice 13: the current plan is approved by trust council is that all of that information background will go

[0:18:15] Voice 13: to the trust programs committee

[0:18:17] Voice 15: which is made up of i believe 11 trustees in uh the second week of

[0:18:22] Voice 15: july that was july the 8th to consider in a full day all day long seminar type uh workshop to make

[0:18:32] Voice 15: recommendations to trust councils come back in september so that's sort of the sequencing if

[0:18:38] Voice 15: the trust council approves that i mean trust council can occasionally take um directions

[0:18:43] Voice 15: that aren't participating so we'll see how that works out but that's the sort of the plan in terms

[0:18:49] Voice 15: of the trust policy statement with the recommendations that all three are coming back

[0:18:52] Voice 15: to trust council in september which is the last trust council of this term i believe um and are

[0:19:01] Voice 15: almost four years uh i think i'll just leave it at that um

[0:19:05] Voice 13: there are many other things going on

[0:19:08] Voice 13: And I'm going to now turn to the Town Hall section of the agenda.

[0:19:15] Voice 13: So I have a few things I'd like to say before we get to the Town Hall.

[0:19:18] Voice 13: We're receiving a lot of commentary, as we always do,

[0:19:21] Voice 15: related to the agenda package and the way things are unfolding generally at the Local Trust Committee and with staff reports and with the way we're working through various applications.

[0:19:35] Voice 15: I remind you of the three very important rules of participating in Town Hall.

[0:19:43] Voice 15: First of all, that you address your trustees, not each other, and not staff directly.

[0:19:49] Voice 15: If there's a question that requires or an issue that requires staff input, we'll turn to the staff at that point.

[0:19:56] Voice 15: Second is we, and this is perhaps the most important one in my experience in Galliano,

[0:20:01] Voice 15: animals that you address issues and not uh and not characterize people uh

[0:20:06] Voice 13: or characterize

[0:20:08] Voice 13: i've seen a lot of correspondence recently that tends to characterize the way people

[0:20:13] Voice 13: uh the way decisions are made and what information is involved uh and frankly i think that that's not

[0:20:20] Voice 13: it's not an appropriate way to address issues but then it's not helpful um

[0:20:24] Voice 15: it's not helpful

[0:20:24] Voice 15: for us um thirdly we ask you to address uh the the gathering uh with appropriate language and

[0:20:34] Voice 15: with the appropriate um uh and with appropriate language and commentary uh it's uh it's it's a

[0:20:42] Voice 15: challenging

[0:20:42] Voice 13: place that we're all in uh both as applicants as as community members and as

[0:20:48] Voice 13: as trustees this is a workplace and it should be a place that we can all come and express

[0:20:53] Voice 13: express reasonable views in reasonable

[0:20:56] Voice 15: fashion without expect without feeling uh belittled or

[0:20:59] Voice 15: or in any way um uh being addressed in a derogatory fashion so i'm quite

[0:21:06] Voice 13: alive to that and

[0:21:08] Voice 13: we'll continue to hopefully work our way through what can be a very good town hall discussion

[0:21:13] Voice 13: uh you may recall the last couple of meetings i have uh i have limited commentary during the

[0:21:19] Voice 13: town hall to two and a half minutes and i'm going to be doing that again

[0:21:22] Voice 15: uh it's uh it is important

[0:21:25] Voice 15: for us to go on to uh decision processes as we move forward uh through the agenda so i'll be

[0:21:32] Voice 15: doing that and ask you to respect that as we go along so that everybody has an opportunity

[0:21:37] Voice 15: that wishes to to speak so um let me just get my timer set

[0:21:45] Voice 13: up and i generally don't use a science

[0:21:50] Voice 13: So we'll just take it and I'm actually going to turn to this gentleman who asked me before

[0:21:55] Voice 13: the meeting started when we over time to have anything to say was, I remind you that we

[0:22:01] Voice 13: have two applications that trustees are refused on.

[0:22:05] Voice 13: So I'm going to ask and one is the Gagers application and one is the galley application.

[0:22:11] Voice 13: The galley application is not on our agenda today, but it doesn't mean sometimes people

[0:22:16] Voice 13: don't speak to it so i'm going to ask that if you have a commentary related to either of those

[0:22:21] Voice 13: applications that you hold those to the second half of the town hall so i'm going to ask if

[0:22:26] Voice 13: people wish to speak to anything related to um uh our work and our agenda other than giggers

[0:22:35] Voice 15: at this stage so other applications where all three trustees are appropriate to stay so i

[0:22:40] Voice 15: guess i'm not coming to you sir because i don't know what i don't know what you're speaking on so

[0:22:44] Voice 15: so

[0:22:44] Voice 13: okay so we'll start with other matters and i'm just going to work my way from the

[0:22:49] Voice 13: right to the

[0:22:50] Voice 13: left and i'll go

[0:22:50] Voice 15: with you sir go ahead that's right i know who you are

[0:22:56] Voice 15: yes

[0:23:04] Voice 15: which is an extremely important topic here and when i first looked at the agenda

[0:23:11] the package because the staff have done a

[0:23:15] Voice 15: good mapping exercise looking at groundwater recharge

[0:23:19] Voice 15: which relates to supply of groundwater and then i had a closer look and i

[0:23:26] Voice 10: realized that it wasn't

[0:23:28] Voice 10: addressing the coupling between supply and demand and we have areas of water shortage in several

[0:23:35] Voice 10: parts of the island and by and large the areas of recharge which this report describes as critical

[0:23:45] Voice 10: are really not critical they are areas where recharge happens preferentially because of the

[0:23:53] Voice 10: geography and vegetation but

[0:23:57] Voice 3: you only have a critical recharge area if it's upslope from

[0:24:03] Voice 3: an area where

[0:24:03] Voice 10: you have an actual shortage either presently or expected so i really think this needs

[0:24:10] Voice 10: to be rethought from the point of view of of uh not introducing dpas in areas where you don't need

[0:24:19] Voice 10: it uh the areas that are shown as suggested uh areas to be in a development permit area

[0:24:27] Voice 10: are almost half of those areas are actually parkland or conservation areas or public

[0:24:33] Voice 10: and the rest of it is nearly all land in the forest zone where the residential density is

[0:24:40] Voice 10: by the bylaws very low

[0:24:41] Voice 3: and there aren't any water shortages that i'm aware of in the forest

[0:24:46] Voice 3: and in these areas essentially

[0:24:49] Voice 7: the bush into the stream of georgia so we there's no point

[0:24:53] Voice 7: describing a recharge area is critical if if there's nobody that's going to be

[0:24:59] Voice 10: affected by it

[0:25:00] Voice 10: and also uh down the middle of the island most of the lake behind there's a wide valley

[0:25:06] Voice 10: which is where it's where an extended recharge is discharging the groundwater and where that happens

[0:25:13] Voice 10: the area on one side which tends to be the western side where groundwater is recharging

[0:25:19] Voice 10: into the bedrock is decoupled from the other side and thus we are again

[0:25:26] Voice 7: we have a technical issue

[0:25:27] Voice 7: that i would like to discuss with uh mr shulman but uh i'm suggesting that all of this is premature

[0:25:35] Voice 7: and if i don't think a lot of you

[0:25:36] Voice 3: say thank you

[0:25:38] Voice 11: for that that's your two and a half minutes

[0:25:40] Voice 15: that i didn't know that

[0:25:41] Voice 10: i should finish from johnny the uh the one of the areas

[0:25:47] Voice 10: is the crystal mountain area because it is adjacent to residential areas and

[0:25:53] Voice 7: uh i think

[0:25:54] Voice 7: that because there's a nice wide part of the native forest land with a healthy growing closed

[0:26:00] Voice 7: canopy i might just stop well

[0:26:02] Voice 13: i asked you to stop 15 seconds my hearing doesn't work very well thank

[0:26:06] Voice 13: you i'd like you to stop trying to be whatever let everybody have the same time thank you sir

[0:26:13] Voice 13: okay so yes i saw i think your hand was next yes go ahead yes sorry

[0:26:18] Voice 16: i mean i can't tell who

[0:26:19] Voice 13: is who with the masks on i can see tell some people but i can't tell everybody

[0:26:30] Voice 5: but i wanted you guys to know that the other two members

[0:26:36] Voice 5: think so

[0:26:37] Voice 15: they're actually on the zoom right now i don't know if they can come forward during our

[0:26:43] Voice 15: part of the agenda or not um peace will be here as well as myself although

[0:26:51] Voice 17: i have to pop out

[0:26:56] Voice 17: thank

[0:26:57] Voice 15: you okay uh who is that did you have your hand up jennifer no i've come here

[0:27:04] Voice 15: of course this

[0:27:05] Voice 6: is a photo of housing but about the two projects yes this can be here

[0:27:13] Voice 6: i would like i know that it's necessary for the island and i would like to know if there is

[0:27:21] Voice 6: and then any survey for the by the associations of affordable housing by the island rafia that show

[0:27:38] Voice 17: that can apply to these two

[0:27:43] Voice 6: projects what size of unit they need and what level of income they have

[0:27:55] Voice 6: it is happening any server for knowing what the people who want to apply that who are they and

[0:28:04] Voice 6: what do they need and what income do they have are

[0:28:11] Voice 15: you talking about something beyond the housing

[0:28:13] Voice 15: and needs assessment that was done a number of years ago and the other needs assessments

[0:28:17] Voice 15: as whether there's a specific survey of people on the island is that what you're asking yes

[0:28:24] Voice 6: yeah i don't know

[0:28:24] Voice 15: the answer to that i'm guessing there's a waiting list for our portal but i don't

[0:28:30] Voice 15: know that i don't know if anybody else okay but

[0:28:33] Voice 6: the second thing i didn't finish the two minutes

[0:28:35] Voice 6: is that I think that when you come on a board award

[0:28:39] Voice 6: housing project, you have to begin

[0:28:42] Voice 6: to ensure that there is

[0:28:44] Voice 6: units first for the people

[0:28:47] Voice 6: with the lower income.

[0:28:50] Voice 6: In this project, both projects

[0:28:55] Voice 6: means that you need to have

[0:28:59] Voice 6: big subsidy

[0:29:02] Voice 6: units and that has to be done

[0:29:06] Voice 6: in writing the percentage of the houses thank

[0:29:12] Voice 13: you and we have received

[0:29:13] Voice 13: your commentary and i wanted

[0:29:15] Voice 13: to say mr keifer we of course have your letters as well related to that issue and

[0:29:20] Voice 15: i think mr

[0:29:20] Voice 15: sheldon's going to have something to say about your commentary a little bit later because he

[0:29:24] Voice 15: were he gave us some information last night anyway uh okay i think we were here and go ahead sir

[0:29:36] Voice 15: okay okay well i'm here concerning the rogers cell tower application for use on the crest path

[0:29:48] Voice 15: and in this i would like to respect that we are standing on indigenous ground

[0:30:00] Voice 11: like to respect that you trustees are responsible for preserving and protecting these grounds

[0:30:09] Voice 11: i would like to remind the audience and trustees that human impact is entirely in your control

[0:30:21] Voice 11: on these islands, and that human mistakes have led to recognized disasters that have caused

[0:30:32] Voice 11: humanity to change its course. For example,

[0:30:36] Voice 15: thalidomide, for example, Freon, the ozone layer,

[0:30:43] Voice 15: for example burning fossil fuels and climate change and

[0:30:50] Voice 11: in revealing a number of the supports

[0:30:54] Voice 11: for rogers and their application for the tower

[0:30:58] Voice 15: the storm of 2018 was strongly mentioned repeatedly

[0:31:06] Voice 15: repeatedly and

[0:31:08] Voice 11: now i'm going to digress to something you the trustees you are responsible

[0:31:15] Voice 11: to protect and that's community in the case of an emergency community

[0:31:23] Voice 15: is the people that

[0:31:27] Voice 15: know each other and are concerned for each other it is not the people who are not concerned

[0:31:38] Voice 15: So, in the development of this island, there's been infrastructure installed to supply human

[0:31:47] Voice 15: desire.

[0:31:49] Voice 11: There's been relatively low impact, except fires.

[0:31:54] Voice 11: I'm referring to the telephone lines, sorry, the power lines.

[0:31:58] Voice 11: and the biggest point in the uh uh disaster was the loss of communication

[0:32:07] Voice 15: and so that's your two

[0:32:12] Voice 15: and a half minutes sir i'll request 30 more seconds please just so wrap it up now i'm if you

[0:32:21] Voice 15: i am so

[0:32:24] Voice 11: in that we are at the beginning of extreme weather event futures

[0:32:30] Voice 11: I strongly recommend that you lobby Hydro and TELUS to bury their power lines so that when we have wind events, we are not at risk of fire and we do not lose our communication.

[0:32:49] Cell phones may be implicated in the 70% reduction of

[0:32:55] Voice 13: insects because it's blanketed North America.

[0:32:59] Voice 13: Can I ask you to stop now?

[0:33:01] Voice 13: that's that's it so thank you thank

[0:33:04] Voice 11: you very much keep cell phones away reinforce their present

[0:33:11] Voice 15: infrastructure apparently please doesn't always work uh clearly the two speakers that have been

[0:33:21] Voice 15: allowed to speak i did there have only been two so far sir okay who is next yes sir thank

[0:33:28] Voice 13: you

[0:33:33] Voice 15: i'm sorry i don't know honestly

[0:33:37] Voice 15: thank you my question is

[0:33:40] Voice 15: which is on the agenda for today

[0:33:49] Voice 15: and uh basically uh what i wanted to say was that the ucp and bylaws and the waterline report

[0:33:59] Voice 15: are all clear that proof of enough quantity and good quality water as well as no impact on existing

[0:34:07] Voice 15: residences requires a phase development is not an adequate approach for this and so without proof

[0:34:19] Voice 15: of water development cannot be approved according to these. So my question is why is development

[0:34:28] Voice 15: even be considered in the upper ridge when there's no group of five there and a corollary

[0:34:35] Voice 15: of that question is is the crystal mountain proposal minus the upper a serious consideration

[0:34:44] Voice 15: for the ltc yeah i never know what how to deal with questions when we're going to be talking

[0:34:53] Voice 15: about that in our agenda this whole thing but uh because i can't speak for the trust committee i

[0:35:01] Voice 15: know we we talked about the we didn't talk about the zoning sorry i should take the zoning without

[0:35:08] Voice 15: the upper ridge some time ago and so it's always yes sir i just wanted to point out that in the

[0:35:14] Voice 15: june 6th memo from mr smith to to see this was uh identified yeah

[0:35:25] Voice 8: okay thank you yes

[0:35:31] going on i just want to understand oh i'm sorry thank you i

[0:35:37] Voice 15: kept looking over here

[0:35:39] Voice 15: just going to say as it's currently presented if you were to approve the developments in the upper

[0:35:44] ridge it would be

[0:35:44] Voice 15: subject to a covenant condition that would require them to demonstrate for that

[0:35:49] right area before

[0:35:50] Voice 13: right and actually a question i have is is that i know that at least a little bit

[0:35:55] Voice 15: of that is also in the dpa so i'm not sure whether the development anyway there are some issues but i

[0:36:01] Voice 15: thank you okay i think we're using this time go ahead

[0:36:12] um and also i wish to i'm going to speak on my behalf

[0:36:16] Voice 2: but i would also like to read a very

[0:36:18] Voice 2: short presentation by

[0:36:20] Voice 17: pat mayhem who are seniors um galliano

[0:36:26] Voice 4: and chair rogers i am speaking and

[0:36:29] Voice 4: writing to you today

[0:36:30] Voice 2: to urge you to take a stand and encourage the leadership by turning down the

[0:36:34] Voice 2: a deeper flaw developed by the Christian Mountain Society.

[0:36:37] Voice 5: You are currently considering two affordable housing projects

[0:36:42] Voice 5: for Galliano, which have gone through

[0:36:44] Voice 5: a far more rigorous

[0:36:44] Voice 4: examination than CNS

[0:36:47] Voice 4: and still

[0:36:47] Voice 2: represent a compromise for some people.

[0:36:50] Voice 2: But we need housing.

[0:36:52] Voice 2: Galliano is facing a housing crisis

[0:36:54] Voice 2: and urgently needs places for people to live.

[0:36:58] Voice 2: There's no similar urgency to ram through

[0:37:00] Voice 2: during

[0:37:01] Voice 5: these two trustees tenure.

[0:37:02] Voice 5: The CMS International Tourism Development proposed for a quiet rural residential North Galeano neighborhood.

[0:37:10] Voice 5: The majority of North Galeano residents opposed CMS.

[0:37:14] Voice 2: Of immediate neighbors, 54 signed a recent letter to Virginia to develop a new turn-down to this one.

[0:37:23] Voice 2: 174 Galeano residents signed a petition

[0:37:25] Voice 5: asking trustees to deny Crystal Mountain permission.

[0:37:28] Voice 5: Commission. How is it trustees can ignore those residents and

[0:37:32] Voice 12: have fear to address the more standpoint legitimate concerns.

[0:37:36] Voice 12: North Galliano does not mean another resort. We're already

[0:37:39] Voice 5: impacted by Bodega Resort, Bodega Colt, now a new

[0:37:43] Voice 5: restaurant construction with a plan to tell the story. At least

[0:37:49] Voice 5: those resorts have commercial zoning in place. CNS by its own

[0:37:53] Voice 5: admission draws spiritual tourists from all over the

[0:37:55] Voice 5: the world. Yet trustees and planners have agreed not to call

[0:38:00] Voice 5: it a commercial operation.

[0:38:03] Voice 12: A comprehensive One Earth, One

[0:38:06] Voice 12: Island report released yesterday by Adam Huggins and Michelle

[0:38:09] Voice 12: Thompson at the Gallium Circumstances from Gallium

[0:38:12] Voice 17: already has 80,000 tourists a year and that was in 2007. By

[0:38:18] Voice 17: now it's conservatively 120,000 at least. We hope the trustees

[0:38:23] Voice 17: concerns

[0:38:24] Voice 12: do not stop according to road stdrs have been properly more strictly regulated by trustees

[0:38:30] Voice 12: wolverton and rockefeller we ask you to turn the same rigor on a report on a planned development

[0:38:37] Voice 12: that has groundwater issues and has not received real scrutiny just briefly i'll touch on my other

[0:38:46] Voice 12: points i'll

[0:38:47] Voice 17: be submitting this as a letter later as well um trustee's being

[0:38:51] Voice 2: about through that

[0:38:52] Voice 2: that they will

[0:38:52] Voice 17: manage CNN's business plans.

[0:38:54] Voice 17: They're

[0:38:54] Voice 2: already advertising their 22nd annual

[0:38:57] Voice 2: annual retreat at the North End.

[0:39:01] Voice 4: And they're also able to house

[0:39:03] Voice 2: in the Navy

[0:39:03] Voice 2: retreats of up to 20 to 35 people.

[0:39:06] Voice 2: The emergency access could be open today,

[0:39:09] Voice 2: but they choose not to.

[0:39:10] Voice 2: It would be very dangerous.

[0:39:12] Voice 2: Can I

[0:39:13] Voice 15: ask you to wrap up?

[0:39:13] Voice 15: Because you're a while past your two and a half minutes.

[0:39:16] Voice 2: Because of the standard propane tanks

[0:39:18] Voice 2: and diesel generators, as we saw,

[0:39:20] Voice 2: people are trying to flee the town.

[0:39:22] Voice 2: Yeah, we're rich development. I mean, we can't do it based on development. I

[0:39:29] Voice 16: just

[0:39:31] Voice 2: have two more points.

[0:39:34] Voice 2: Maybe I also want to be careful.

[0:39:39] Voice 5: Donation could proceed just by proceeding with our HF model. There's been a complete lack of indigenous constitution.

[0:39:49] Voice 15: i really i'm going to ask you to stop now we've tried i've tried to be

[0:39:53] Voice 15: a little bit polite with people and let them continue but we really have a lot of people

[0:39:57] Voice 15: to get through so

[0:39:58] Voice 17: can i ask you to stop you thought of your writing

[0:39:59] Voice 15: you're going to give

[0:40:00] Voice 15: okay

[0:40:01] Voice 17: um so

[0:40:03] Voice 13: yes thank you do

[0:40:04] Voice 17: you want me to read pats well

[0:40:05] Voice 13: is it the same one that we already have

[0:40:08] Voice 17: i

[0:40:08] Voice 13: have a letter from happening

[0:40:10] Voice 13: me. Well,

[0:40:14] Voice 13: it ends up on our website. Well,

[0:40:20] Voice 13: I guess I guess

[0:40:21] Voice 13: I have a different view of what the purpose of all your

[0:40:24] Voice 13: trustees and your trustees have already heard it read, as

[0:40:28] Voice 13: opposed to talking to the public who can see it on the website

[0:40:31] Voice 13: if they want to. So

[0:40:33] Voice 13: that's my view. So but I'll give you how

[0:40:35] Voice 13: long it'll take. I'll give you a minute. Okay. And that's two

[0:40:40] Voice 13: people that i've asked so i've asked you what you do for the main health

[0:40:44] Voice 5: as well they are asking

[0:40:46] Voice 5: three questions why is the wastewater plan not being amended to reflect revised water use uh

[0:40:53] Voice 5: estimates the sewerage system justification from area one provides for daily disposal

[0:40:59] Voice 5: three thousand three fifty three meters a day when daily water demand

[0:41:03] Voice 12: is in the latest wmps

[0:41:06] Voice 12: is 4801. why is there no contingency plan for area one in the event of a power outage

[0:41:12] Voice 12: work switch failure or pump failure wastewater from the caretaker's residence which we know

[0:41:18] Voice 17: that has even questions you need for the central kitchen

[0:41:22] Voice 12: and the central washer will gravity feed

[0:41:24] Voice 12: the large septic tanks

[0:41:25] Voice 17: into the pump chamber the capacity of the pump changer chamber is just a

[0:41:31] Voice 17: small fraction of the building design, which could have

[0:41:35] Voice 17: impactful consequences. Why

[0:41:40] Voice 5: is there no provision of wastewater

[0:41:41] Voice 5: specifications for those days CMS has requested six per year.

[0:41:46] Voice 12: And the request was obtained by trustees when I just 60 people

[0:41:50] Voice 12: are in attendance of area one portion of property that exceeds

[0:41:54] Voice 12: needs the um 43.1 maximum damage round um is a very dangerous level of water usage by the

[0:42:04] Voice 12: additional 25 so we're going to offer a cap on such occasions but thereby imposing okay thank

[0:42:10] Voice 15: you miss singer i think that was wealthy on a minute i'm gonna i'm gonna move on now i've been

[0:42:15] Voice 15: welding on a minute

[0:42:16] Voice 15: so

[0:42:17] Voice 12: pat justin

[0:42:18] Voice 13: there's

[0:42:20] Voice 12: more great to attend please

[0:42:22] Voice 13: don't look at again okay

[0:42:24] Voice 12: i'm

[0:42:24] Voice 13: going to go back to the two and a half minutes and that's all you're going to get

[0:42:27] Voice 13: i'm not going to let people exceed that if we continue to have people sir no i'm not going to

[0:42:32] Voice 13: take your commentary right now if people are going to again try and exceed that all the time

[0:42:40] Voice 2: yes

[0:42:40] Voice 13: i'm done we're done you can

[0:42:42] Voice 13: hand in her letter thank you

[0:42:45] Voice 15: so who is that yes at the very back

[0:42:49] Voice 15: Yeah, thank you.

[0:42:49] Voice 15: Yeah, hello.

[0:42:55] Voice 5: I'm here to talk about the Crystal Mountain application.

[0:43:00] Voice 5: Dear Trustees and Chair, considering there is no Galliano OCP policy or objective supporting

[0:43:08] Voice 5: or mentioning wellness tourism as a desire for development on Galliano's forest land

[0:43:13] Voice 5: or any state development on forest land should fragment forests and not cluster development

[0:43:20] Voice 5: and in one area of a parcel or encouraging character changing commercial and industrial

[0:43:25] Voice 5: uses within or adjacent to rural residential zone neighborhoods it is not surprising that cms

[0:43:33] Voice 5: proposal is meeting with resistance and objections because of its lack of consistency with community

[0:43:38] Voice 5: community vision expressed in our ocp however we do have as you know ocp policy as well as trust

[0:43:46] Voice 5: policy and provincial guidelines or assessing sustainability of proposed new or increased

[0:43:52] Voice 5: groundwater use. These all intend to protect our existing users and including ecosystems.

[0:44:03] Voice 5: We also have the Waterline Resources Report Galeano Groundwater Study of 2011, which I'm

[0:44:09] Voice 5: certainly aware of. And Mr. Shulba spoke very highly of this study when giving a public talk

[0:44:16] Voice 5: on groundwater on galliano a few years back however he made no mention of it during the

[0:44:21] Voice 5: may 2nd lgc meeting nor did he explain why the cms application has not been asked to follow

[0:44:28] Voice 5: that report's recommendations i won't read the quotes i've had here from the waterline resources

[0:44:35] Voice 5: report it will take too long but i'll give you a copy and questions you may know why have these

[0:44:41] Voice 5: recommendations the ocp trust policy provincial guidelines for groundwater assessment not been

[0:44:47] Voice 5: followed why would you accept a proposal for which part of the kit there is no water supply existing

[0:44:54] Voice 5: or assessed for sustainability i refer to the upper lot why are no unqualified statements

[0:45:02] Voice 5: provided on the quantity and quality of groundwater for the cms project the only unqualified statement

[0:45:09] Voice 5: heard, was given by Mr. Shoba, that the studies done did not show that there would be no impact

[0:45:18] Voice 5: on neighboring wells. But that was his opinion, no data provided, that the probability is

[0:45:25] Voice 5: quite low. Why are there no assessments of the impact on existing uses? It's my observation

[0:45:32] Voice 5: that the neighbors believe there will be an impact and no information has been provided

[0:45:37] Voice 5: it to alleviate this concern i urge you not to proceed with this application until the applicants

[0:45:42] Voice 5: provide the recommended standards of groundwater assessment information

[0:45:47] Voice 5: if they cannot then you need to discontinue the application thank you thank you hey mr melissa

[0:46:07] Voice 15: she can be next when she when she listed down and i'll start now

[0:46:14] Voice 3: i have i have uh the uh

[0:46:17] Voice 3: something to read from tom lawson but i also have my own uh congregation

[0:46:23] Voice 3: well i think if

[0:46:27] Voice 15: you stay if you stay within two and a half minutes on each of them i'll give you

[0:46:30] Voice 15: the two and a half minutes on each okay uh

[0:46:33] Voice 3: tom often was referred to ask these questions via

[0:46:36] Voice 3: zoom from his home tom would like to pose a few short questions to the planning staff

[0:46:41] Voice 3: respect to the water management plan he will be submitting these questions electronically

[0:46:45] Voice 3: Chronically, water demand.

[0:46:48] Voice 3: Who will be accountable when this development runs out of water

[0:46:50] Voice 3: and when the neighbor's wells are also dry?

[0:46:54] Voice 3: Potable water for caretakers' residents.

[0:46:56] Please calculate, as was done for the retreatment's use,

[0:47:01] Voice 3: if there will be enough rainwater for non-potable use

[0:47:04] Voice 3: if the caretaker resident's water allocation

[0:47:07] Voice 3: complies with the Galliano Local Land Use Bylaw.

[0:47:11] Voice 3: B, water use for the caretaker's residents.

[0:47:14] Voice 3: How do you justify agreeing to a water management plan that uses a staggering 84% less water than required for a residence in Galliano's own land use by-law and for every residence surrounding CMS?

[0:47:31] Voice 3: C. Water use for overnight guests.

[0:47:34] Voice 3: How can you justify agreeing to a water management plan that uses 15.2% lower usage for overnight guests?

[0:47:43] Voice 3: 190.8 liters then found in the bc sewer system standard practice guide 225 meters

[0:47:52] Voice 3: slated in the water management plan those are uh those are thomas questions

[0:47:58] Voice 3: my uh my submission to town hall would be that this uh that uh contrary to recommendations made

[0:48:10] Voice 3: in the report of the planner for this meeting,

[0:48:15] Voice 3: the Crystal Mountain development proposal

[0:48:19] Voice 3: is not ready to go through our community information meeting

[0:48:25] Voice 3: and does not comply with the Island's Trust policy

[0:48:30] Voice 3: directives, particularly those regarding water

[0:48:33] Voice 3: and those regarding forest fragmentation.

[0:48:37] Voice 3: The water on water. The water plan seems to be a work in progress.

[0:48:42] Voice 3: The numbers seem to change every meeting we have. Every meeting the water management plan.

[0:48:46] Voice 3: The consumption numbers have been changing. And there's still underestimates.

[0:48:52] Voice 3: There's still low-balling how much water will be used in this development.

[0:48:56] Voice 3: For example, the latest iteration of the plan shows that for some reason the caretaker will be taking fewer showers than the people on retreat.

[0:49:05] Voice 3: treat. I don't understand that. It just doesn't make any sense. The fact is the pump testing

[0:49:13] Voice 3: that was done to figure out the base water management plan does not comply with provincial

[0:49:19] Voice 3: standards for a 24 to 72 hour pump test. A 12 hour pump test is only applicable for a residential

[0:49:27] Voice 3: property and only when the well recovers within that period. And it was very clear that a

[0:49:35] Voice 3: 20 that would not have lasted for 24 hours report and no neighbors were tested and the point is

[0:49:43] Voice 3: it's got to the point where the planner in his in his initial report there are two planners reports

[0:49:49] Voice 3: and the second one written by i don't know i'm not sure perhaps just brad smith the first one

[0:50:00] Voice 3: says that there are things that additional things could be done to ensure there's enough

[0:50:05] Voice 3: water in this facility and one of them one of the one of the suggestions is that the caretaker

[0:50:10] Voice 3: residents which is a major consumer of water be eliminated from this development this just

[0:50:16] Voice 3: the fact that a significant suggestion like this to be made by the planner shows that they

[0:50:21] Voice 3: understand that the water is not ready to find time for this development and they also call for

[0:50:28] Voice 3: reducing that suggests reducing capacity and bylaws for seasonal limits um you know that's but

[0:50:36] Voice 3: unfortunately those suggestions didn't make it into the main planners report and also the

[0:50:43] Voice 3: on forest fragmentation the upper ridge does not comply with uh with trust policy directives on

[0:50:49] Voice 3: fragmentation there's no water moving out there it's just uh you know this is a commercial

[0:50:54] Voice 3: commercial development. It could be big crowds up to six times a year, according to what Crystal

[0:50:59] Voice 3: Mountain is asking for. It's not ready to go to a CIM. Thanks,

[0:51:03] Voice 13: sir. Okay, so we're moving this way.

[0:51:06] Voice 13: Are you talking about something other than diggers? If you're talking about the affordable

[0:51:11] Voice 13: housing projects, I'm going to wait for a moment. CMS.

[0:51:16] Voice 15: Okay, then go ahead, sir. Okay, I have a

[0:51:18] Voice 7: couple of questions. And what's your

[0:51:20] Voice 15: name, sir? My name is

[0:51:21] Voice 15: Jim Lundgren. Okay, thanks, sir. Go ahead.

[0:51:23] Voice 15: A couple of questions about water issues in the CMS property.

[0:51:26] Voice 15: One, I would like to know and I would confirm whether CMS is a commercial operation.

[0:51:32] Voice 15: It seems to be that it's a commercial operation.

[0:51:35] Voice 15: Two, does CMS currently have a water license?

[0:51:41] Voice 15: And three, have they applied for a water license?

[0:51:44] Voice 15: And if so, when is the application filed?

[0:51:48] Voice 15: I have two documents that I'll pass up to you, the BC government concerning groundwater issues.

[0:51:54] Voice 15: first document is called requirements for groundwater users confirms at the top of the

[0:52:00] Voice 15: first page that all users of groundwater and non-domestic purposes need license under the

[0:52:12] Voice 15: water sustainability act as of march 1st 2022. this is stated further in the third era second

[0:52:22] Voice 15: second page where it says all non-domestic groundwater users who did not apply on or before

[0:52:28] Voice 15: march 1st 2022 are required to apply for and obtain the water license before water can be

[0:52:36] Voice 15: lawfully used stored for a divergent so that's my first question do they have a license whether

[0:52:42] Voice 15: they apply second document can i stop the agreement we had information in may that they

[0:52:49] Voice 15: have applied and that it's pending it's in the works with the problem did they apply by march

[0:52:54] Voice 15: first oh yes it's been i mean at least i don't want to speak for them but my understanding is

[0:53:00] Voice 15: it's been um i'm sorry yeah hello it was in 2021 it was some time ago so that application's

[0:53:07] Voice 15: outstanding that's right the

[0:53:10] Voice 10: problem is it's in their the queue okay uh second document is titled

[0:53:17] Voice 10: the guide to conducting pumping tests

[0:53:19] Voice 15: which again has become an issue second page at the

[0:53:23] Voice 15: top of the right hand column that describes the type of professional you must design

[0:53:31] when it's required as

[0:53:34] Voice 15: part of an application for a water use authorization presumably they've made

[0:53:38] Voice 15: an application for a water use authorization and so someone like that must design and follow the

[0:53:46] Voice 15: test the timing of such tests is referred to in the left column on page 2 of this document where

[0:53:51] Voice 15: it describes shorter tests of 4 to 12 hours says what we've commonly done for single residents 12

[0:54:00] Voice 15: describes longer tests 24 to 72 hours that's commonly required for four different reasons

[0:54:09] Voice 15: three of which determine the maximum yield access or assessing impacts on neighboring wells

[0:54:16] Voice 15: and obtain aquifer properties all applied to cms can i ask you to stop now sir are you done one

[0:54:23] Voice 15: second so the bottom of the page says the minimum durations of typical pumping tests are 24 to 72

[0:54:29] Voice 15: hours unless stabilization of the pumping water level occurs and i don't think that has happened

[0:54:35] Voice 15: here thank you yeah i think actually this is both your notes what did you want to hand me up your

[0:54:42] Voice 15: notes okay okay i didn't know if you wanted thank you i think you wanted to speak you indicated in

[0:54:57] Voice 15: an email you wish to speak thank

[0:55:00] Voice 14: you i've just made it i

[0:55:01] Voice 14: do apologize completely um i want to

[0:55:04] Voice 14: talk about something a little bit different i want to talk about the precautionary principle

[0:55:08] Voice 4: and the precautionary approach and how it should apply to all land use decisions on this island

[0:55:13] Voice 4: and in the trust, and especially in order to incorporate some of the problems with climate

[0:55:21] Voice 4: change and to address the trust having actually declared a climate emergency.

[0:55:27] Voice 4: And I really feel that in the staff report, they have actually provided some alternate,

[0:55:34] Voice 4: it's not the main recommendation,

[0:55:36] Voice 2: which is to go to CIM, but they've provided some options

[0:55:39] Voice 2: that actually could be used as considering the precautionary approach.

[0:55:45] Voice 2: And so

[0:55:46] Voice 4: I want to emphasize some of those.

[0:55:48] Voice 4: And I do want to say, for example, that in relation to groundwater,

[0:55:52] Voice 4: we know that we're going to have drier summers, wetter winters,

[0:55:55] Voice 4: so that's the prediction.

[0:55:57] Voice 4: We know that something that hasn't been addressed here,

[0:56:00] Voice 4: but if you're an ecologist, you understand this,

[0:56:01] Voice 4: that

[0:56:02] Voice 12: the drier summers make the whole issue of recharge different so

[0:56:10] Voice 4: often what happens is when

[0:56:12] Voice 4: you have a lot of dry summers the ground is hard you get into the recharge area and the water just

[0:56:17] Voice 4: rolls off instead of seeping into the ground so this is just something to

[0:56:20] Voice 12: consider with all this

[0:56:21] Voice 12: taking a precautionary approach you need to have buffers around everything

[0:56:25] Voice 12: um to take this into account so what

[0:56:29] Voice 2: is the planner suggested one thing he suggested is

[0:56:31] Voice 2: to remove the caretaker residence i was surprised to see that but i

[0:56:35] Voice 4: came to that conclusion as well

[0:56:37] Voice 4: when i read the water management plan and realized that they actually didn't have enough water the

[0:56:43] Voice 4: only way to have enough water is to make an assumption of use in the caretaker residence

[0:56:48] Voice 4: as being so low that um it would meet the part they have so that seemed a bit of a precautionary

[0:56:56] Voice 4: approach the

[0:56:57] Voice 2: second thing that has been suggested at this ltc by uh at least one of the um trustees

[0:57:04] Voice 4: here but just pondered there are these fragmentation whether or not this this design

[0:57:10] Voice 4: of this property is fragmented it means that the forest is not contiguous putting infrastructure

[0:57:16] Voice 4: structure on the upper ridge exacerbates that so if what the goal is for people to be able to be on

[0:57:23] Voice 4: the upper ridge and meditate do they need the infrastructure so i would suggest that you don't

[0:57:30] Voice 4: need any infrastructure on the upper ridge you know they can have ownership but not infrastructure

[0:57:35] Voice 4: so i would say that's a precautionary approach um i would say another thing has i was really

[0:57:42] Voice 4: struck by not having enough root barrier to collect water for non-profit uses that leads

[0:57:48] Voice 4: to the scattered design of the buildings and so they might think about a different design

[0:57:53] Voice 4: where some of those buildings are consolidated under one roof it wouldn't be exactly what they

[0:57:59] Voice 4: want but it could be a compromise that

[0:58:01] Voice 14: would allow them to collect more non-profit

[0:58:03] Voice 13: yes they can

[0:58:05] Voice 14: or that you're exacerbated by me but i'm

[0:58:08] Voice 13: not exacerbated i just if i let

[0:58:10] Voice 13: anybody go three

[0:58:11] Voice 13: minutes then the next person wants to go and then

[0:58:13] Voice 13: the next person

[0:58:15] Voice 13: wants to go three minutes and then

[0:58:16] Voice 13: the next person wants

[0:58:17] Voice 4: to go three minutes uh and the number of visitors we don't have enough water

[0:58:20] Voice 4: for the ones that we've allowed so if you want to take a precautionary approach you won't allow

[0:58:26] Voice 4: any more than the three spots that

[0:58:28] Voice 14: you have all those are

[0:58:29] Voice 14: possibilities and i think that the um

[0:58:32] Voice 14: plan is actually recommended so i did

[0:58:35] Voice 14: do a hard copy thank you very much

[0:58:38] Voice 15: i'm going to go here because i've seen your hand up a couple of times

[0:58:42] Voice 12: my name is heather martin um i didn't want to speak on this is not what i think to speak about

[0:58:49] Voice 12: but i have been really upset during this town hall to hear one person after another after another

[0:58:57] Voice 12: another refused to stop after two and a half minutes.

[0:59:01] Voice 12: You know, coming in here to have two and a half minutes

[0:59:03] Voice 12: to speak for the benefit of those of us

[0:59:07] Voice 12: who come with our hearts open when we talk about community,

[0:59:11] Voice 12: to come and read a screen for two and a half minutes

[0:59:14] Voice 12: is far, far too long.

[0:59:16] Voice 12: And so I'm just asking you to please make it as hard

[0:59:21] Voice 12: two and a half minutes.

[0:59:23] Voice 12: It's too much.

[0:59:24] Voice 12: Can you keep allowing it

[0:59:25] Voice 13: to go on?

[0:59:25] Voice 13: appreciate that thank you very much

[0:59:26] Voice 15: yeah

[0:59:28] Voice 13: we're going to finish other goods before i come back

[0:59:30] Voice 13: to you sir uh so who else wishes to speak on anything other than the housing yes go ahead

[0:59:36] Voice 13: sorry

[0:59:36] Voice 2: oh i'm

[0:59:39] Voice 13: sorry i didn't see you go ahead well

[0:59:41] Voice 4: i'm going to stick with the water clean and um

[0:59:44] Voice 4: Like Jane and some other people here, I attended the One Island, One Earth, and Equal Ag Global French and Italiano presentation yesterday.

[0:59:53] Voice 14: And though their report states that ironically, water infrastructure is

[0:59:58] Voice 2: critical for the development

[0:59:59] Voice 14: of the global system,

[1:00:00] Voice 14: sustainability could not be included in the ecological footprint results due to the, and

[1:00:05] Voice 14: this is a quote, the lack of centralized water distribution systems on Galliano,

[1:00:11] Voice 4: which are

[1:00:12] Voice 4: all on our own wells for the most part.

[1:00:15] Voice 4: There are statements in this section worth considering, informed as they are by Island

[1:00:20] Voice 4: Trust reports.

[1:00:21] Voice 4: For

[1:00:22] Voice 12: example, and this is a quote from the report, groundwater elevation has decreased

[1:00:28] Voice 12: increased. In OW258, the provincial

[1:00:31] Voice 14: observation well at the Galliano Community School,

[1:00:35] Voice 14: the seasonal fluctuation of 9

[1:00:37] Voice 4: to 11 meters is the largest

[1:00:39] Voice 12: noted across all of the southern

[1:00:42] Voice 12: gulf islands included in the study. Decreasing trends in groundwater elevation

[1:00:47] Voice 2: indicate

[1:00:48] Voice 2: aquifer discharge is greater than recharge and may be attributed to the cumulative impacts of

[1:00:56] Voice 2: climate change well density land use change and development and also from the report

[1:01:03] Voice 4: 20 households

[1:01:05] Voice 14: out of

[1:01:06] Voice 4: 126 indicated that their wealth has at one point either run out of water or gotten extremely

[1:01:13] Voice 4: low these things that are mentioned in the report in my opinion are the canaries in the coal mine

[1:01:20] Voice 4: The researchers, in their presentation yesterday, emphasized

[1:01:24] Voice 14: we simply don't know how much water

[1:01:26] Voice 4: we're consuming.

[1:01:27] Voice 4: We also don't

[1:01:29] Voice 14: know how much water is actually being tracked onto the island during the dry

[1:01:32] Voice 4: season.

[1:01:33] Voice 4: And FOI watched some people on state railroads,

[1:01:38] Voice 14: 3,000 gallons a

[1:01:45] Voice 14: day during the dry season

[1:01:46] Voice 14: .

[1:01:49] Voice 14: In reference

[1:01:50] Voice 4: to the island's Trust Groundwater Availability

[1:01:52] Voice 14: Assessment, where areas on the

[1:01:55] Voice 14: or identifies it as exceeding

[1:01:57] Voice 2: the groundwater recharge threshold including the southern

[1:02:00] Voice 2: galliano

[1:02:01] Voice 4: region the report states if the southern gulf islands

[1:02:05] Voice 14: were to experience

[1:02:05] Voice 14: growth conditions comparable to those of 1985 i'm not quite sure why 2021 wasn't referenced but

[1:02:13] Voice 14: groundwater recharge could be reduced by up to 50 percent further exacerbating groundwater

[1:02:20] Voice 14: right thank you

[1:02:22] Voice 15: for respecting me does anybody else want to

[1:02:25] Voice 15: speak related to something other

[1:02:27] Voice 15: than affordable housing that hasn't spoken so far yet i think i see from the bottle back there

[1:02:35] Voice 17: i'm wondering uh to comment more than anyone else uh i'm hoping that when sorry

[1:02:42] Voice 15: i i can't hear you

[1:02:43] Voice 15: I'm sorry.

[1:02:44] Voice 15: When

[1:02:45] Voice 2: the CIM is

[1:02:45] Voice 14: called, the information

[1:02:47] Voice 5: will be available and the questions that have been

[1:02:51] Voice 5: raised.

[1:02:52] Voice 5: But I'm also hoping that

[1:02:53] Voice 17: there will be consideration to all the CIM at the North End.

[1:02:57] Voice 17: There's a lot of people who really find it stressful to speak about, publicly about claims

[1:03:05] Voice 17: at an LPC meeting.

[1:03:08] Voice 17: And I do speak to some of those people and they are concerned.

[1:03:33] Voice 15: I would just

[1:03:38] Voice 7: like to say that I feel that we are ready for a CIM on this issue.

[1:03:44] Voice 7: it gives the uh crystal mountain people without looking up to them to give all the information

[1:03:51] Voice 7: that the community needs at that cnn because people are here there and they can then make

[1:04:00] Voice 7: we're getting piecemeal stuff here and there everywhere when i see i am

[1:04:06] Voice 7: thank you

[1:04:09] Voice 15: sir okay anybody else over this side yeah sorry roger

[1:04:15] Voice 11: i did see your act

[1:04:17] Voice 11: i uh want to say i support the crystal mountain application i support the rogers addition to the

[1:04:26] Voice 11: tower on i'm uh one of two commissioners on the island uh that uh on are on the advisory

[1:04:38] Voice 11: commission governing the Mercy program and in many of the emergencies we've had

[1:04:48] Voice 11: over the years we've had a problem with communications and it's it's something

[1:04:57] Voice 11: that we need we need to some infrastructure if people are going to

[1:05:01] Voice 11: live on this island uh when ambulances come down the island uh quite often the uh people supporting

[1:05:11] Voice 11: them are communicating with doctors it's you can't get down the island uh usually there's gaps

[1:05:20] Voice 11: up of up to 25 minutes in these trips and and lives are at stake so we need this and uh we need

[1:05:30] Voice 11: to improve communications and i just can't see any logical reason why we shouldn't have it thank you

[1:05:38] Voice 11: thank you sir anybody else

[1:05:42] Voice 15: wish to speak to something other than

[1:05:45] Voice 15: chris leaves affordable housing projects yes you've already spoken

[1:05:53] Voice 14: so what

[1:05:55] Voice 15: i'm going to do is i'm going to

[1:05:56] Voice 15: i'm going to give 30 seconds and someone who's

[1:05:58] Voice 15: any who have already spoken yes in

[1:06:01] Voice 6: the trust council i would like to ask because i don't know

[1:06:05] Voice 6: if you are considering to add a member in the vision of united to be a member of the trust

[1:06:11] Voice 6: council when trustees and the member will be for the third nation

[1:06:22] Voice 6: sorry sorry you

[1:06:25] Voice 13: should question whether we can are you considering

[1:06:36] Voice 6: So

[1:06:37] Voice 13: we're in active discussions with the province and other places about ways that we can do some

[1:06:42] Voice 13: co-management with First Nations. I have no idea what that's going to look like.

[1:06:46] Voice 13: Not sure that First Nations,

[1:06:48] Voice 15: Indigenous peoples, First Nations want to be trustees in the current

[1:06:52] Voice 15: structure. We have 26 of them. So we don't know what that's going to look like, but it's certainly

[1:06:56] Voice 15: an idea that's out there okay you won't be able to ask the province that's the rules

[1:07:00] Voice 15: thank

[1:07:01] Voice 12: you sir

[1:07:05] Voice 15: go ahead you have 30 seconds um i would like the trustees

[1:07:11] Voice 15: to elect

[1:07:12] Voice 11: to increase the speaker time to five minutes because when

[1:07:18] Voice 15: you have something quick

[1:07:19] Voice 15: it's quick but if something as complex as these applications are asked to be spoken to

[1:07:27] Voice 10: Two and

[1:07:27] Voice 15: a half minutes is ridiculous.

[1:07:31] Voice 15: Okay, I have, and now I see two, a couple of,

[1:07:36] Voice 15: sir, I have an urge for you to go ahead.

[1:07:38] Voice 10: Let us detail.

[1:07:39] Voice 10: I want you to reiterate what Heather Martin said,

[1:07:42] Voice 10: that it isn't just about having it heard to the LTC.

[1:07:48] Voice 10: It's about those who come here to be involved in the process.

[1:07:53] Voice 10: And we're hoping to listen and see what decisions are made

[1:07:58] Voice 10: and not listen to emails and letters that take on well past the amount

[1:08:04] Voice 10: of two and a half minutes.

[1:08:05] Voice 10: We're not here to listen to five minute letters. We're here to be part of the community.

[1:08:11] Voice 10: And we've already seen one person leave in disgust as a result of people not adhering to that.

[1:08:17] Voice 10: So I want to just agree with Dan that two and a half minutes is adequate for hearing everybody

[1:08:24] Voice 10: thank you

[1:08:26] Voice 15: um so you can see there's not an item in this and i i i've sort of agreed to that i put

[1:08:33] Voice 15: it out in a letter that we would have a shorter time period so we can do

[1:08:36] Voice 13: our business don't

[1:08:38] Voice 13: forget we're going to have if if any of these applications ever get to a public hearing and

[1:08:44] Voice 13: there's no guarantee that they are going to you will have

[1:08:47] Voice 15: an opportunity there are many ways for

[1:08:49] Voice 15: you to communicate with your trustees in terms of writing in terms of uh writing to us and putting

[1:08:56] Voice 15: your letters in and all in many ways or talking to us individually so this is not your only option

[1:09:02] Voice 15: yes again quickly yes very

[1:09:04] Voice 15: quick i appreciate

[1:09:06] Voice 13: you appreciate it

[1:09:08] Voice 15: um but i do have a comment

[1:09:11] Voice 15: i'm actually a little confused right now because uh we've heard a lot of comments here but we've

[1:09:16] Voice 15: also had some pretty specific questions yeah um presented for the local trust committee

[1:09:23] Voice 15: and i think a lot of the stuff that we've heard actually before other meetings as well i think

[1:09:30] Voice 15: the reason why this process seems to be so prolonged it's because we're waiting for the

[1:09:35] Voice 15: answers to the questions and i think this really pertains to the crystal mountain application in

[1:09:40] Voice 15: particular okay we

[1:09:41] Voice 15: were asking questions of our local trust committee and we're not getting the

[1:09:45] Voice 15: answer so we keep asking questions okay so

[1:09:47] Voice 15: can i can i

[1:09:48] Voice 13: address that for a

[1:09:49] Voice 13: moment and take a moment

[1:09:50] Voice 13: of the time and i can invite the trustees to address it as well it's easy

[1:09:54] Voice 13: for me to address

[1:09:56] Voice 15: a question such as has the african applied for a water license because we know the answer

[1:10:01] Voice 15: but uh because that was addressed at

[1:10:03] Voice 13: some length and in the last meeting so someone asked that

[1:10:07] Voice 13: question i'm not criticizing but that we know the answer to that specific question ask the status

[1:10:12] Voice 13: when you ask a question about what's the decision of the ltc going to be none of us can tell you in

[1:10:19] Voice 13: town hall because we have to have our conversation i don't know what the other my co-trustees are

[1:10:24] Voice 13: talking about so it's not it's not possible for us to answer that question in town hall in a sense

[1:10:31] Voice 13: because we don't know the answer um i can't speak for trustee rockefeller nor should i or trustee

[1:10:37] Voice 13: won't they can speak for

[1:10:38] Voice 13: themselves they

[1:10:40] Voice 15: can but they can't speak for us i think you will

[1:10:44] Voice 15: yes miss anderson you have a good comment

[1:10:46] Voice 5: yeah i want to comment that um this is the first meeting

[1:10:52] Voice 5: i've attended in quite a while nice

[1:10:54] Voice 13: to see you

[1:10:55] Voice 5: um watching it online the last meeting when some of

[1:10:59] Voice 5: the information was being presented it was extremely hard to hear when the planner spoke

[1:11:04] Voice 5: and also some of what Mr. Schulte said was quite you know hard to really get the details out there

[1:11:13] Voice 5: was a lot of um I don't know interference with noise it would block it so I'm just mentioning

[1:11:19] Voice 5: that as a factor why also maybe answers aren't that clear but um so so that's one thing the

[1:11:28] Voice 5: other thing I just had a question I've been wanting to ask but I haven't come to the meetings

[1:11:32] Voice 5: for a while is earlier in the term there was mention of work being done towards um and this

[1:11:38] Voice 5: is relates to tourism and managing tourism and the fact that this island feels quite

[1:11:43] Voice 5: overwhelmed by tourism there was discussion about getting licensing for short-term vacation

[1:11:49] Voice 5: do you mean like business

[1:11:51] Voice 13: licensing a

[1:11:53] Voice 5: licensing process that you know work has to be done to

[1:11:57] Voice 5: made that possible but some means by which the number of sgprs as well applications can happen

[1:12:05] Voice 5: in relation to our global population okay so if you have any information well

[1:12:09] Voice 15: i can tell you this

[1:12:10] Voice 15: much of course if you've been and i know you do follow what we do we have a whole process for a

[1:12:16] Voice 15: year and a half around sdprs and eventually change the bylaws that i think they were mentioned by one

[1:12:21] Voice 15: of the speakers earlier to to restrict enough them to certain types of operations uh it's not

[1:12:28] Voice 15: just galliam i can tell you that it's many islands uh that have have tried to lobby this year because

[1:12:34] Voice 15: we can't grab we can't do a licensing process and there have been discussions with the not the cdr

[1:12:39] Voice 15: the crd about them applying

[1:12:42] Voice 13: for uh licensing and so far they haven't taken up that that cudgel i

[1:12:47] Voice 13: know that i think it was salts from that sort of really pushed that issue with them i'm seeing

[1:12:52] Voice 13: nods from trustee wolverton and so far the crd has not shown any interest in that i will tell

[1:12:57] Voice 13: you there because i sat on it i'm sorry to take time when i've told everybody else to be briefed

[1:13:02] Voice 13: but you asked the question i sat on a provincial task force on on short-term vacation rentals and

[1:13:07] Voice 13: how to how to ameliorate that there's a report out and one of the recommendations of the task force

[1:13:13] Voice 13: to the province who wants to provide more tools and more information to the local governments to

[1:13:19] Voice 15: allow them to try and control these as they see fit in their local area but to date there has

[1:13:24] Voice 15: been no uptake from the crd to to impose any kind of licensing program for crds so we're back to our

[1:13:30] Voice 15: tools which is to what we did in that program i hope that answers your question um yes quickly

[1:13:43] I've heard that people who have done bed practice, for example, or short-term education,

[1:13:48] Voice 17: have to now have a license to use water to that purpose.

[1:13:54] Voice 13: I'm saying that my understanding is, and again, I'm no expert.

[1:13:58] Voice 13: My understanding is those are considered to be commercial enterprises under the Water Sustainability Act, where licenses are.

[1:14:06] Voice 13: That's my understanding.

[1:14:08] Voice 13: I have no idea what the status is as I'm gathering that number anymore.

[1:14:12] Voice 13: I don't know.

[1:14:14] Voice 15: i don't know unfortunately i i don't know i don't know what the province is doing uh

[1:14:19] Voice 13: i expect that's

[1:14:20] Voice 13: probably correct because they're probably overwhelmed with the numbers of our okay so i

[1:14:24] Voice 13: think it's time to move on to the this is a good community conversation so like you know you've

[1:14:31] Voice 13: had a couple of 30 seconds and i i'm going to go to this sorry suzanne first and i'm going to have

[1:14:40] Voice 13: hopefully 30 seconds 30 seconds and then i'm going to go on to

[1:14:44] Voice 13: housing i think two times is enough two times is enough thank you go ahead

[1:14:51] Voice 12: um

[1:14:51] Voice 4: it seems really clear to us who live here that this is not ready for a cim i don't even

[1:15:00] Voice 4: think

[1:15:00] Voice 17: the applicant was prepared i wasn't surprised to see it push the head towards

[1:15:05] Voice 17: I think there's just like a real feeling of, you know, almost dispessed in the community

[1:15:24] Voice 17: that with all these unanswered questions, for legitimate reasons, remain on the table.

[1:15:29] Voice 17: So we

[1:15:30] Voice 12: are asking that

[1:15:31] Voice 17: there be a meeting of the LTC at

[1:15:34] Voice 12: the U of M, and we have made

[1:15:37] Voice 12: house lived in her house for you know going on 60 or 70 years she

[1:15:42] Voice 14: got two minutes out of public

[1:15:44] Voice 2: meeting she's the immediate neighbor to crystal mountain like these with respect is two ways

[1:15:50] Voice 2: we respect where you work and we want you to respect where we live go ahead sir

[1:15:56] Voice 13: uh five

[1:15:58] Voice 7: seconds go ahead i would like to say about crystal mountain that a spiritual retreat center in the

[1:16:06] Voice 7: the forest is a unique amenity that should be treasured okay

[1:16:11] Voice 13: so now we are going to move on

[1:16:18] i i

[1:16:19] Voice 13: don't know the logistics of this building but if that if that for the people in galilee

[1:16:27] Voice 13: i don't think is the best way to keep the ventilation but

[1:16:29] Voice 16: we'd like to keep the ventilation

[1:16:33] Voice 16: okay

[1:16:33] Voice 13: so now what we're going to do is just be clear is there anybody that wants to speak to

[1:16:38] Voice 13: dally before so i won't refuse trustee wolverine i don't i don't know if there's anybody so i'll

[1:16:44] Voice 13: is there anybody who wish to speak to the fact that the giggers application that's on our agenda

[1:16:49] Voice 15: today and i know there would be so trustee wolverine can i ask you to step out for a few

[1:16:54] Voice 15: minutes and um okay we're ready to go um so on giggers then we have i'd like to

[1:17:30] Voice 15: i need you at your hand up go ahead

[1:17:32] Voice 6: and we

[1:17:34] Voice 16: have all of your correspondence

[1:17:35] Voice 13: by the way

[1:17:36] Voice 13: i realized

[1:17:37] Voice 6: that in this process very often

[1:17:45] Voice 6: the big picture for me is lost

[1:17:49] Voice 6: And in this session, for the small detail, it's a community information meeting that

[1:17:57] Voice 6: is in every state, for people to do what they can do, and for what I, for us, it takes like

[1:18:07] Voice 6: two days to put the recorder on the website, and after they have only one half a total

[1:18:14] Voice 6: of five days to prepare for the public hearing.

[1:18:17] Voice 6: In St. Alison, there is at least 12 new residents in the last year.

[1:18:23] Voice 6: So they have to study all this.

[1:18:26] Voice 6: We have to read all these letters.

[1:18:28] Voice 6: There are more than 100 letters.

[1:18:31] Voice 6: Almost 50-50 in failure will concern the opposition.

[1:18:35] Voice 6: It needs more time.

[1:18:37] Voice 6: For the island trust to be a meaningful institution, to have a process like this one,

[1:18:44] Voice 6: where the community information meeting is meaningful and the public hearing is meaningful.

[1:18:51] Voice 6: The second thing we have after all this time, because really the water management of Crystal

[1:18:58] Voice 6: Mountain, several neighbors realized that it could have the Gigant Project, a rainwater

[1:19:07] Voice 6: collection system for non-potable water use, that will save like 30% of the groundwater

[1:19:16] Voice 6: from the well. And it never came. It was in no staff report. It hasn't been mentioned

[1:19:23] Voice 6: by the trustees. And it can't be done. I have an idea, and this is for the year 2014.

[1:19:30] Voice 6: It was sent in because I am a member of the Keith Anderson Water System.

[1:19:36] Voice 6: Here, it speaks about collecting...

[1:19:39] Voice 6: Excuse

[1:19:39] Voice 13: me, I'm sorry. I don't know what that noise is.

[1:19:42] Voice 17: It's hearing aid.

[1:19:43] Voice 17: Sorry?

[1:19:44] Voice 17: Hearing aid. I was hearing aid.

[1:19:45] Voice 13: Oh, I can't. I'll need one soon because I can't hear you.

[1:19:49] Voice 13: Can we just let's see if we can...

[1:19:51] Voice 15: Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[1:19:53] Voice 15: You

[1:19:53] Voice 6: see here, for 2014,

[1:19:55] Voice 6: In 2014, people were collecting and using rainwater at home, they got it from home.

[1:20:00] Voice 6: And it's said that in the national poll in 2011, they have permitted to have rainwater

[1:20:08] Voice 6: not portable for toilets.

[1:20:11] Voice 6: And the only thing like you are using in the water management plan is all here, of course,

[1:20:18] Voice 6: in 2014.

[1:20:19] Voice 6: In 2014, you have more efficient in the bathroom, you

[1:20:27] Voice 6: have more efficient in the toilet, etc.

[1:20:32] Voice 6: All that is for the past.

[1:20:34] Voice 6: We need a water management plan for 48 people, maybe, and 5 acres.

[1:20:41] Voice 6: That is for the future.

[1:20:42] Voice 6: It's for the revolutionary principle, like Lisa said, because

[1:20:46] Voice 13: we don't know

[1:20:47] Voice 6: what's going to happen.

[1:20:48] Voice 6: HAB-Masyn Moyer-

[1:20:48] Voice 13: Thanks for me about you.

[1:20:49] Voice 6: HAB-Masyn Moyer- yeah I know

[1:20:52] Voice 6: I turned it off

[1:20:53] Voice 13: when we when we

[1:20:55] Voice 6: can say, and I.

[1:20:56] Voice 2: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Thank you,

[1:20:58] Voice 15: anybody else wish to speak on bigger justice marks.

[1:21:03] Voice 15: HAB

[1:21:03] Voice 14: -Masyn Moyer- Well, I wanted to

[1:21:05] Voice 4: say that I see that the covenant for diggers that no irrigation system on the land should be connected to the supplies with your otherwise use any groundwater.

[1:21:18] Voice 4: I was pleased to see that.

[1:21:20] Voice 4: I don't know how that will be ensured,

[1:21:23] Voice 4: whether that will ensure that that is happening,

[1:21:28] Voice 4: as I recalled previously in the water management report

[1:21:31] Voice 4: that the garden area proposed is too large

[1:21:35] Voice 4: to be irrigated sufficiently with green water attachment.

[1:21:39] Voice 4: But further to that, and further to what Carmita

[1:21:42] Voice 4: has just said, there are so many other

[1:21:44] Voice 4: water conservation measures that could be put in place.

[1:21:48] Voice 4: A greywater sustainability study was suggested and then it was withdrawn.

[1:21:53] Voice 4: There are some examples, as has been said, in the Crystal Mountain proposal for rainwater to be used for flushing toilets and other purposes.

[1:22:06] Voice 4: And yet we don't see these things in this proposal.

[1:22:08] Voice 4: And so I just want, in closing, to say that insecure housing is more than just housing

[1:22:16] Voice 4: that is inadequate, poorly constructed, or where there is always the possibility of sudden

[1:22:23] Voice 4: eviction for mentors.

[1:22:25] Voice 4: It is also environmentally unsustainable housing, and I really believe that that's what we're

[1:22:32] Voice 4: looking at here.

[1:22:33] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:22:35] Voice 15: Okay, thank you.

[1:22:36] Voice 15: Anybody else wish to speak on the data?

[1:22:40] Voice 15: Thank you. Oh, yes, I see someone in the back. Go ahead.

[1:22:44] Voice 15: I don't know your name.

[1:22:45] Voice 12: My name is Pat,

[1:22:47] Voice 14: now I'm a pilot,

[1:22:47] Voice 12: otherwise it's Alison.

[1:22:49] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:22:49] Voice 4: I just really want to encourage both Intertrust Denise Rogers and Dr. Farrar

[1:22:55] Voice 4: to take the next steps in getting this foregoing to the public project done.

[1:23:01] Voice 4: It needs to get done, and

[1:23:05] Voice 12: it needs to get done.

[1:23:06] Voice 12: so i encourage you to move forward with the community information thing and whatever else

[1:23:12] Voice 12: you can do to move this project forward thank you okay

[1:23:17] Voice 11: thank you anybody else yes sir go ahead

[1:23:21] Voice 11: i'll go ahead and support the giggers project okay

[1:23:25] Voice 13: and we and i'll just say we've received i don't

[1:23:27] Voice 13: know a few

[1:23:29] Voice 15: they'll be on the website eventually recently some i'm going to say six to eight i

[1:23:33] Voice 15: know if it was more than that but it said effectively so thank you

[1:23:36] Voice 13: um just just so you

[1:23:38] Voice 13: know anybody else wishes to speak on this and i don't think there's anything else then in town

[1:23:43] Voice 13: hall and uh so i'll bring back just take a quick moment and get trustee wilberton and we'll start

[1:23:49] Voice 13: our way through thank you very much for uh helping us through the oh sorry go ahead i

[1:23:54] Voice 17: just want to

[1:23:54] Voice 17: break because the schedule for 1 30 ish two i lose

[1:24:00] Voice 17: track of time yeah so why

[1:24:02] Voice 15: don't we break

[1:24:03] Voice 15: till two o'clock because everybody's gonna have a bit of a comfort break from what we thought thank

[1:24:06] Voice 15: you

[1:24:12] Voice 17: this

[1:24:20] Voice 8: uh groundwater

[1:24:21] Voice 15: sustainability

[1:24:28] it's very much

[1:25:55] Voice 15: It's like a fire hose.

[1:27:41] Voice 15: Okay,

[1:27:50] Voice 16: well, that's good feedback.

[1:27:58] Voice 15: because of the fight and

[1:28:00] Voice 17: I'm not

[1:28:02] Voice 11: a horse load owner.

[1:31:43] Voice 17: Thank you so much.

[1:34:36] Voice 17: yeah

[1:35:10] Voice 17: could i ask

[1:35:21] Voice 13: you to please uh come on in and if you're going to come into the meeting and

[1:35:24] Voice 13: we'll get started thank you very much

[1:35:45] Voice 16: boy

[1:35:45] Voice 13: can i get you to mr keifer can

[1:35:49] Voice 15: i get you to sit down and

[1:35:50] Voice 15: those are the front door please come

[1:35:51] Voice 15: in okay so thank you who are going to reconvene it's uh 205. we're on the agenda we've been we're

[1:36:24] Voice 13: on

[1:36:25] Voice 15: number six seven there is no dim public hearing today uh we have minutes from may the second is

[1:36:31] Voice 15: the next item on the agenda page is three to ten and why the trustee haven't changed yes trustee

[1:36:36] Voice 15: will uh

[1:36:37] Voice 4: just on the chair's report on uh page four in the package it says the community stewardship

[1:36:43] Voice 4: awards will now be awarded once per team it should be one

[1:36:46] Voice 13: term it is once that was all

[1:36:49] Voice 13: thank you

[1:36:50] Voice 13: anything for you trustee rockwell i have nothing so we will take the minutes adopted as amended

[1:36:57] Voice 13: The next item is the follow-up action list,

[1:37:00] Voice 15: which is on page 11 on the agenda.

[1:37:07] Voice 15: Clarence Smith, do you have anything you'd like to flag for

[1:37:10] Voice 15: us in terms of the follow-up action list?

[1:37:12] Voice 15: And I'll turn to Prestige if you have any questions.

[1:37:16] Voice 15: Okay,

[1:37:16] Voice 13: Prestige, do you have any questions?

[1:37:18] Voice 13: I guess my only question is, is the very first item from December,

[1:37:22] Voice 13: members or any um update on the Gaylor rezoning application

[1:37:26] Voice 10: so we've been now an application for

[1:37:30] Voice 10: DL 85 and so now DL 85 and DL 86 are both uh rezoning proposals in front of us staff have met

[1:37:38] Voice 10: with

[1:37:39] Voice 15: Ministry staff from the Ministry of Environment BC Parks and distribution about uh potential for

[1:37:48] Voice 15: or opening up that road and access to DC parks,

[1:37:52] Voice 15: the initial

[1:37:52] Voice 10: indications are that there's

[1:37:57] Voice 10: first nations concerns around that proposal.

[1:38:01] Voice 10: And so the next step would have that information in hand.

[1:38:06] Voice 10: And also we're waiting for the application

[1:38:09] Voice 10: for DL 85 to come forward.

[1:38:11] Voice 10: Cause it really is a combined,

[1:38:13] Voice 15: it will be much more effective to move that forward

[1:38:16] Voice 15: as a combined conversation.

[1:38:17] Voice 15: So now that that was in hand, we will likely, well, we sent a letter initially to

[1:38:27] Voice 15: and, of course, the primary nations in that group.

[1:38:33] Voice 15: And we will be bringing a report to you.

[1:38:43] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:38:45] Voice 13: Any questions from trustees regarding that update?

[1:38:47] Voice 13: Thank you for that.

[1:38:48] Voice 13: so that's good to know um so then if there's nothing else on the follow-up actual list uh

[1:38:55] Voice 13: then the next item is we are

[1:38:57] Voice 15: are at the 11th sorry item 11 which is correspondence and this

[1:39:04] Voice 15: is the material related to the rogers communication this is corresponding i believe it was on our last

[1:39:10] Voice 15: uh agenda about correspondence from rogers that was in reply to correspondence that i

[1:39:18] Voice 15: i sent in um january december and regarding the addition to the seller and my understanding is

[1:39:26] Voice 15: that whatever they planned they did and i'm not quite sure where we're at on this and i know that

[1:39:33] Voice 15: trustee wolfman you had a conversation with a couple of the main um folks that have been

[1:39:39] Voice 15: involved over the last number of months and years on cell towers did you have an update you wanted

[1:39:44] Voice 15: to make um

[1:39:45] Voice 2: just that i i think what became apparent in our meeting was that there was

[1:39:51] Voice 4: a little bit of confusion about the roles of the ltc and uh and uh the federal government and

[1:39:59] Voice 4: i don't know if stephen if you wanted to comment on how it was i believe

[1:40:08] Voice 15: patrick was uh patrick

[1:40:10] Voice 15: grenzy was uh thinking about writing another letter to uh the local trust expressing uh

[1:40:21] Voice 15: his concerns or seeking clarification on the role of the trust in advocating for uh better

[1:40:31] Voice 15: communications yeah and just just so everybody we're all on the same page about this um

[1:40:41] Voice 15: of course towers are not necessarily a non-controversial item on any islands they

[1:40:48] Voice 15: can be uh fairly controversial depending on your point of view about about cell and

[1:40:53] Voice 15: certainly when 5g gets involved it becomes even more

[1:40:56] Voice 13: uh contentious uh there is a

[1:41:00] Voice 13: we have a standing policy

[1:41:03] Voice 15: on galliano related to cell towers which the role of local government

[1:41:07] Voice 15: is mostly just about community engagement

[1:41:10] Voice 15: and setting up a process for community input on a process.

[1:41:14] Voice 15: We don't have an approval, non-approval thing.

[1:41:17] Voice 15: And we can indicate non-concurrence,

[1:41:20] Voice 15: but we do not have an approval process.

[1:41:23] Voice 15: The authority over cell towers and telecommunications

[1:41:27] Voice 15: is with the federal government,

[1:41:27] Voice 13: but they have a whole complicated thing

[1:41:30] Voice 13: where they require

[1:41:31] Voice 15: applicants to,

[1:41:35] Voice 15: sorry providers to work with the local government and including Allen's Trust related to the

[1:41:41] Voice 15: community consultation so mostly the role of the LTC is around setting up that process and getting

[1:41:48] Voice 15: and helping with the community consultation sometimes they require it I would say we I

[1:41:53] Voice 15: need the trust of local trust communities generally require that the proponent to hold

[1:41:58] Voice 15: full-deck communication sometimes the trust committee does it sometimes it's a combination

[1:42:02] Voice 15: and there are exclusions to the requirement of working with the local government

[1:42:07] Voice 15: including additions to existing towers that don't exceed a height thing i think that's what

[1:42:15] Voice 15: occurred here is that rogers took the position uh that what they were adding to the tower did

[1:42:21] Voice 15: not require them to do community consultation so they just went ahead and did it despite the

[1:42:25] Voice 15: letter from us indicating that we would like we would ask them to do it that's where things sit

[1:42:31] Voice 15: about three years ago we did write a letter to whom it made concern letter

[1:42:37] Voice 15: in response to this correspondence

[1:42:40] Voice 13: that's in our package um and i'm paraphrasing but what

[1:42:44] Voice 13: effectively it said is we agree that you better sell communication

[1:42:49] Voice 15: coverage is important but it

[1:42:51] Voice 15: should be consistent with community values and local concerns i don't think it said much more

[1:42:57] Voice 15: than that i

[1:42:58] Voice 16: mean

[1:42:59] Voice 15: to probably reference some of the issues really so that's where

[1:43:03] Voice 13: this all came

[1:43:04] Voice 13: anything you anybody wants to add to any of that well

[1:43:07] Voice 2: just to say that that i guess there are some

[1:43:10] Voice 2: folks on the island patrick is representing some of them who believe that the local trust committee

[1:43:15] Voice 2: should make

[1:43:16] Voice 4: it should be welcoming to the providers and

[1:43:21] Voice 2: so i think the point that i was

[1:43:24] Voice 2: trying to make and i believe steven too is that the providers have to come up with their proposals

[1:43:30] Voice 4: and that it's a matter of economics and we're a small island we're a small population and

[1:43:35] Voice 4: unless there's a huge subsidy coming from government it's not it's not that feasible

[1:43:48] Voice 4: Okay,

[1:43:49] Voice 13: and just for clarity, my understanding under 11.2 where it says advisory planning

[1:43:54] Voice 15: commission reseller, I don't think this was a, this was not an LTC appointed APC, this

[1:44:00] Voice 15: was a working group that is set up on their own, and they came to us, and that's the specs

[1:44:06] Voice 15: we took, so please know that that was not an APC function in the way that we understand

[1:44:13] Voice 16: Okay.

[1:44:14] Voice 15: Anything more that you need things we need to do related to this? I think that's

[1:44:17] Voice 15: the status of this. I don't know if there's an action item. Trustee Rothschild, anything?

[1:44:24] Voice 13: Okay, so thank you. So the first item on the agenda then of the of the application's next

[1:44:29] Voice 13: item is

[1:44:30] Voice 15: the 13.1, which is Salt Spring. This is a referral. Interestingly, you don't often

[1:44:37] Voice 15: see uh referrals that are as high profile as this one uh been a very uh been in the news a lot but

[1:44:45] Voice 15: this is here for our response as to whether our interests are effective trustee

[1:44:51] Voice 15: they may want to have a motion or anything they'd like to say about this

[1:45:00] Voice 16: no

[1:45:00] Voice 15: so our so then the motion would be an interest our interest so that's the response

[1:45:07] Voice 15: If someone wants to make that motion.

[1:45:10] Voice 16: And

[1:45:10] Voice 5: you didn't make that motion.

[1:45:13] Voice 5: Sorry, I didn't, go ahead.

[1:45:16] Voice 5: You didn't?

[1:45:16] Voice 5: I move that our interests are unaffected.

[1:45:19] Voice 13: Second.

[1:45:19] Voice 13: Any discussion?

[1:45:21] Voice 13: No?

[1:45:21] Voice 13: All in favor?

[1:45:22] Voice 13: That passes unanimously.

[1:45:24] Voice 13: All right.

[1:45:25] Voice 13: So we're now on 13.2, which is Giggers.

[1:45:29] Voice 13: We

[1:45:29] Voice 15: have a staff report related to Giggers.

[1:45:33] Voice 15: uh i didn't know if is the plan that uh that mr schold will be in on this as well or not

[1:45:41] Voice 16: okay

[1:45:41] Voice 15: well he's here yes um i just didn't know if he was part of this discussion as well

[1:45:50] Voice 15: oh sorry thank you yes

[1:45:54] Voice 15: um so and the applicants here so we'll have a staff report questions related to the stock

[1:46:00] Voice 15: report uh from trustees and then i'll ask that and if they wish to uh have some comments or

[1:46:06] Voice 15: information they wish to provide us related to this there's two recommendations from the staff

[1:46:10] Voice 15: and i know that the mic might be pointed away from you so you might want to speak up so that

[1:46:20] Voice 15: it's captured

[1:46:21] Voice 15: for the video so i will speak to the staff report uh press for the special

[1:46:25] Voice 15: will be able to answer any questions and someone is also here and she asked us to

[1:46:32] Voice 15: to the uh local trust

[1:46:45] Voice 10: committee for your consideration of next steps with the plan

[1:46:48] Voice 10: of proposing that uh the application is

[1:46:51] Voice 15: ready to move to a second community information meeting

[1:46:56] Voice 15: So, in the previous

[1:46:58] Voice 10: LTC meeting, the Local Trust Committee resolved to move forward with

[1:47:05] Voice 10: the CIM and a public hearing upon

[1:47:09] Voice 15: receipt of a housing agreement, the Section 219 Covenant

[1:47:13] Voice 15: and the Water Management

[1:47:15] Voice 10: Plan to the satisfaction of staff, and staff are now at the meeting.

[1:47:18] Voice 10: that well these are all draft agreements and there may be some technical uh uh matters to still

[1:47:24] Voice 10: uh clean up and address that uh uh

[1:47:27] Voice 15: essentially uh substance-wise all of these documents are

[1:47:30] Voice 15: meeting the satisfaction of staff so staff are now recommending special evidence meetings so

[1:47:36] Voice 15: the housing agreement is attached and uh i think the key in that document is the uh the rent

[1:47:43] Voice 15: structure component that seeks to capture what was agreed upon at the last meeting with respect to

[1:47:52] Voice 15: rent structure being consistent with median income levels 30 percent of median income levels for the

[1:48:01] southern region as represented in statistics data the rental

[1:48:09] Voice 15: structure agreement there that breaks

[1:48:11] Voice 15: down the types of those types of representative households for each type of unit

[1:48:24] Voice 15: With respect to the Covenant, you've seen the Covenant once already, and this revised

[1:48:29] Voice 15: Covenant now brings back additional water management plan conditions, as well as the

[1:48:36] Voice 15: arborist report conditions that were in the Local Trust Committee and direct the staff

[1:48:40] Voice 15: to the Covenant.

[1:48:43] Voice 15: I should also add that the water management plan was received by the Local Trust Committee

[1:48:48] Voice 15: or a draft

[1:48:49] Voice 10: water management plan was received by the local trust committee in february

[1:48:53] Voice 15: that water

[1:48:53] Voice 10: management plan was more or less to the point where staff were satisfied

[1:48:59] Voice 10: there have been a few comments back and forth

[1:49:02] Voice 15: with the applicant minor changes

[1:49:03] Voice 15: the most significant

[1:49:05] Voice 15: probably being adding domestic water meters to each unit so that you can track water use in each

[1:49:12] Voice 15: unit. And there was a few other language tweaks to, to,

[1:49:19] Voice 10: to create more requirements around

[1:49:23] Voice 10: using the use of will instead of should. So this is sure you have that one.

[1:49:29] Voice 15: It's a commitment

[1:49:29] Voice 15: based on the rules to content. And staff will be bringing, in hindsight I should have attached

[1:49:37] Voice 15: it to the staff report, but staff will bring that to them. Well, you have it now, I've

[1:49:41] Voice 15: sent it to you. I will be putting it online for the public to view and I will bring that back

[1:49:47] Voice 15: at the July meeting. So that would be on the agenda package as well for that July question.

[1:49:52] Voice 15: So it's an opportunity to adequately review that before the CIM if you choose to.

[1:50:02] Voice 15: So without this last act of court and Mr. Shulbert is on the line. Okay. Any questions

[1:50:07] Voice 7: on

[1:50:07] Voice 15: water i hope we need to talk questions uh

[1:50:13] Voice 17: i don't have any questions

[1:50:16] Voice 4: i do have something i

[1:50:18] Voice 4: would like added to the minor detail added to the section connecting government um just the

[1:50:27] Voice 2: that's what i'm satisfied with the housing agreement um and essentially the covenant as

[1:50:32] Voice 2: well i just noticed that the covenant around the irrigation for exterior water just notes

[1:50:38] Voice 2: that it's not to be connected to just irrigation and

[1:50:41] Voice 14: um other affordable housing projects in the

[1:50:43] Voice 14: trust area have also included regulation on both irrigation and general maintenance in this

[1:50:47] Voice 14: covenant such

[1:50:48] Voice 17: as no external spigots or faucets and i would like to propose similar conditions

[1:50:52] Voice 17: to relieve pressure on the world okay

[1:50:54] Voice 15: so let's let's

[1:50:58] Voice 15: the original resolution that the local trust committee passed spoke just to the irrigation

[1:51:03] Voice 15: oh that was me sorry yeah and uh so what i'm hearing is that you're seeking a broader uh

[1:51:09] Voice 15: exemption of groundwater use for all experiences

[1:51:13] Voice 17: if that's possible so

[1:51:16] Voice 15: that would mean that you

[1:51:17] Voice 15: don't have you can't have groundwater for outdoor towns yeah

[1:51:20] Voice 14: um

[1:51:22] Voice 15: yeah

[1:51:23] Voice 13: i did see that

[1:51:24] Voice 15: now that i think about it can

[1:51:25] Voice 13: i just can i just ask you to tell me what section of the

[1:51:28] Voice 13: the section yeah

[1:51:29] Voice 15: just uh article 15 of the uh draft covenant which is on page 60 okay so that

[1:51:42] Voice 15: would be no irrigation should be connected to supplies otherwise you would like that to be

[1:51:50] Voice 15: something like or like no irrigation system for outdoor or

[1:51:55] Voice 2: installation of like space or faucets

[1:51:58] Voice 2: so it just be um because there is no real regulation for uh when you divide up the water

[1:52:05] Voice 17: system i believe you know to make sure outdoor water wouldn't be used by groundwater so this

[1:52:11] Voice 17: would be um a mechanism to ensure

[1:52:14] Voice 2: that that took place from what i've read in other projects in

[1:52:19] Voice 2: the trust area as well okay

[1:52:21] Voice 15: so i'm going to suggest that that's that some language of the

[1:52:26] Voice 15: values wouldn't be hard to put in we could make a motion to that effect but i think it probably

[1:52:30] Voice 15: would be worthwhile that we get to that point as the applicant with any any uh concerns about that

[1:52:38] Voice 15: but you're absolutely right i remember now that i've seen the housing agreement or the

[1:52:43] Voice 15: covenant of gabriel and they have similar provisions that's

[1:52:47] Voice 17: the only thing that i

[1:52:53] Voice 15: um now we

[1:52:54] Voice 13: will we'll get to a motion if we get to that uh perhaps we'll just take a moment and

[1:53:02] Voice 13: while we're dealing with it are there any do you have any

[1:53:05] Voice 15: comments on that kind of

[1:53:06] Voice 15: tradition in the section 219 covenant before we go ahead and make a motion

[1:53:12] Voice 14: um it's hard to

[1:53:14] Voice 14: comment but i think the initial concerns that come to my head are the small overuses that

[1:53:22] Voice 14: residents may want to use water for like heat pools for pets or children dog dishes like there

[1:53:28] Voice 14: are some wire occurrences um that any resident might require any type of housing so i'm a little

[1:53:35] Voice 14: bit hesitant um but it's something that we probably want to talk about before

[1:53:40] Voice 16: for commenting right okay thank you uh

[1:53:47] Voice 15: appreciate that and you know this is not the last time you'll

[1:53:50] Voice 15: probably see some amendments to or some proposed discussion about proposed amendments to this or

[1:53:58] Voice 15: the housing agreement um anything else but i think we'll get to most emotion i've made a note of that

[1:54:04] Voice 15: one maybe we'll get to that uh to uh to see that you were

[1:54:09] Voice 15: fine with both um

[1:54:11] Voice 2: yeah i just want to

[1:54:12] Voice 2: make sure that the i don't know if the water management plan included exterior sources such

[1:54:16] Voice 2: as kiddie pools and other things so i'm just a bit concerned with that now i didn't realize that

[1:54:22] Voice 2: there was intention to use exterior

[1:54:24] Voice 14: sources so

[1:54:26] Voice 2: that's something

[1:54:26] Voice 14: to consider i guess as we go

[1:54:29] Voice 11: forward

[1:54:29] Voice 15: you could you could create a little outdoor or external water uses with rainwater

[1:54:45] Voice 15: it's

[1:54:46] Voice 2: more just related to the original water management plan which stated there wasn't enough

[1:54:50] Voice 2: groundwater for the external for the

[1:54:51] Voice 4: landscaping use and i'm not sure to what extent there wasn't

[1:54:55] Voice 4: enough water because i didn't have a quantity um but you know we are using uh trying to forecast

[1:55:04] Voice 17: different conditions in the future and i feel like we're i'm not being extremely cautious but

[1:55:10] Voice 17: because this is a community endeavor that we need to really consider like housing but um

[1:55:16] Voice 17: also need to consider the fact that there wasn't enough forecasted water for

[1:55:26] Voice 15: So the original proposal had a large garden that rainwater would not have been able to

[1:55:35] Voice 15: sufficiently supply.

[1:55:36] Voice 15: That garden is now removed, so I think the only landscaping would be like the xerophilic

[1:55:43] Voice 15: vegetation that they would choose for ornamental.

[1:55:49] Voice 15: There's no regulation around that. There's no

[1:55:52] Voice 17: gardens prohibited, for instance.

[1:55:53] Voice 15: There's no gardens prohibited, but through this you have prohibited the irrigation of those gardens using groundwater.

[1:55:59] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:56:00] Voice 17: And

[1:56:00] Voice 15: you're seeking for a broader prohibition of groundwater use for all outdoor uses.

[1:56:05] Voice 15: Yeah,

[1:56:05] Voice 17: like pressure washing.

[1:56:06] Voice 17: So that wouldn't be captured.

[1:56:08] Voice 15: Yeah, and

[1:56:09] Voice 17: that's what I was just, I was just concerned about exterior water use.

[1:56:13] Voice 17: yeah

[1:56:13] Voice 15: i mean i hear you yeah pressure washing car washing sidewalk washing

[1:56:21] Voice 15: those sorts of things you wouldn't want to see the well being used

[1:56:26] Voice 15: you

[1:56:27] Voice 17: know want to reduce the quality of life conditions for the residents there it's just

[1:56:32] Voice 17: more for the the water use outside so but yeah i would like to propose that but we can continue

[1:56:38] Voice 17: um

[1:56:40] Voice 15: okay i think what we've heard from the applicant is they haven't had a chance to

[1:56:44] Voice 15: consider whether that was an acceptable thing so there may be some discussion related to that

[1:56:49] Voice 15: but if you wanted to make a motion to ask staff to explore the additional restriction in section 15

[1:56:57] Voice 15: of the 219 covenant to include i guess really all external uses and you could find the right

[1:57:07] Voice 15: language to put in there is that so that's sort of your that

[1:57:11] Voice 2: would be my the language i would yeah

[1:57:14] Voice 2: right

[1:57:14] Voice 15: yeah okay it's not in favor of the current covenant words extremely groundwater

[1:57:20] Voice 15: that's

[1:57:20] Voice 17: what i'm likely going to be supportive of additional

[1:57:26] Voice 13: well they're not in favor of section 15 16 15 where

[1:57:30] Voice 15: they are still uh all along

[1:57:40] Voice 12: Yeah,

[1:57:41] Voice 17: I think sort of where we landed on it is we don't want that section to fold up to

[1:57:47] try to move it forward.

[1:57:48] And so if the traffic needs really feel like the garden is necessary, we can accept that.

[1:57:55] Voice 14: The skin piece is something else.

[1:57:57] Voice 14: I would suggest that if you wanted to move forward

[1:58:01] Voice 12: with that, it would be very specific

[1:58:02] Voice 12: about high water use maintenance activities so pressure washing whatever that might be

[1:58:08] Voice 12: and an allowance for some type of outdoor water um unit so that it equals small sort of like

[1:58:17] Voice 12: just the types of things that people might use it in the summer for um which would probably be

[1:58:22] Voice 12: minor in the grand scheme of things i understand the attempt to restrict uh uses that use water

[1:58:28] Voice 12: water intensively. But I think we're kind of narrowing down and putting

[1:58:34] Voice 14: restrictions on those projects that don't exist for other residential types on the island.

[1:58:38] Voice 14: It does exist for other four-point housing projects on the Gulf Islands, so not...

[1:58:43] Voice 14: Right,

[1:58:44] Voice 4: but not like

[1:58:44] Voice 14: any other type of residential development, necessarily.

[1:58:48] Voice 14: necessarily um i think it just it's it's signaling this out a little bit too much in that sense and

[1:58:54] Voice 14: you know we already may have to accept that residents can't have enough work army but it's

[1:58:59] Voice 2: also 12 units right it's it's signaling and signaling signaling it out because it's 12

[1:59:05] Voice 2: clustered units as opposed to one residence and maybe i'm not in agreement with residential

[1:59:10] Voice 2: requirements either but it's it's onerous on me to make this decision in regards with the ocp and

[1:59:17] Voice 2: the language written in it and the there was a shortfall of water for exterior use so i'm

[1:59:24] Voice 2: just wanting to ensure that there's enough

[1:59:26] Voice 14: water for the people that live in those residences one

[1:59:30] Voice 14: day i would also like to add that the restrictions for

[1:59:35] Voice 12: the water license tie

[1:59:36] Voice 14: us to a certain amount

[1:59:39] Voice 12: that means we cannot exceed the water licensing amount that is allowed so that

[1:59:44] Voice 14: that because we're going to be monitoring every single unit

[1:59:49] Voice 14: and monitoring the overall use of the recording

[1:59:52] Voice 14: and having all that data provides us with huge incentive

[1:59:57] Voice 14: not to exceed

[1:59:58] Voice 12: and use.

[2:00:00] Voice 12: misuse of water. We don't want to

[2:00:02] Voice 12: misuse of water.

[2:00:04] Voice 12: And the province has regulated

[2:00:06] Voice 12: us to a certain amount.

[2:00:08] Voice 12: We have to follow that.

[2:00:10] Voice 12: We don't want to exceed that.

[2:00:13] Voice 15: Can I just say two points

[2:00:15] Voice 15: to you, Chair? So one point

[2:00:17] Voice 15: with respect to the residential

[2:00:18] Voice 15: uses. The key here is that

[2:00:21] Voice 15: this is the purview of the

[2:00:23] Voice 15: local trust committee at time

[2:00:25] Voice 15: rezoning. So if someone was coming

[2:00:27] Voice 15: to the local trust committee looking to rezone

[2:00:29] Voice 15: appropriate they could apply these same uh uh conditions

[2:00:39] well

[2:00:40] Voice 4: i did have a question so if uh excuse

[2:00:43] Voice 2: the chair to plan smith if the applicant were to go

[2:00:47] Voice 2: over their water use with province um in my experience because i have a commercial water

[2:00:53] Voice 2: license you just end up paying more money you don't actually have any consequences and so i

[2:00:58] Voice 2: was curious if you're aware of maybe the question oh right i forgot yeah

[2:01:02] Voice 8: william did you hear the

[2:01:04] Voice 9: question um so i as i understand the question is that if an app or if a license holder exceeds

[2:01:16] Voice 9: their volume they just simply pay more and that's not technically true um there are some

[2:01:24] Voice 9: some enforcement measures that are just

[2:01:27] Voice 9: beyond just like pay to play kind of thing so um I would

[2:01:33] Voice 9: have to understand the enforcement measures more on this type of um water license but they are

[2:01:41] Voice 9: and it depends on the water license amount so in in this in this case um I believe that they're

[2:01:50] Voice 9: given a annual water license and so that then they would have to be held to that annual water license

[2:01:58] Voice 9: so uh technically with with they they can potentially exceed the daily amount that was

[2:02:09] Voice 9: sustainably measured in the um groundwater analysis um because i do believe that their

[2:02:18] Voice 9: license is going to be an annual one i believe that's it's an annual volume so it's unlikely

[2:02:26] Voice 9: they'll exceed their annual volume

[2:02:27] Voice 15: yeah because i've

[2:02:30] Voice 15: been yeah and that's the way most licenses

[2:02:33] Voice 15: work is on an annual volume as opposed to a daily or monthly or weekly volume yeah

[2:02:38] Voice 9: that usually when

[2:02:40] Voice 9: there's like a a daily volume or even on salt spring island like the fire department has a

[2:02:47] Voice 9: like gallons per minute uh license on on one of the lakes that then that's for like really high

[2:02:54] Voice 9: demand um uh uses like pulp mills and things like that will have like a daily limit um but i believe

[2:03:04] Voice 9: for for that's going to be an annual water license so it's unlikely that they'll they'll exceed

[2:03:11] Voice 9: an annual water license but um you know i i don't think that there is a stipulation within their

[2:03:17] Voice 9: water license that will limit them to a maximum daily yield

[2:03:25] Voice 13: okay so but and you don't know or

[2:03:29] Voice 15: your wouldn't be your understanding that the license if it succeeded but if it's on a yearly

[2:03:34] Voice 15: basis be hard to know um is your perhaps your experience is more of a daily licensor

[2:03:41] Voice 2: but

[2:03:41] Voice 15: yeah you just pay more that which strikes me is that's not your understanding no

[2:03:49] Voice 9: i i i believe

[2:03:50] Voice 9: leave if they exceed their water license. They will have like a flow meter for a totalizer for

[2:04:06] Voice 9: the entire year, which they'll have to report back to the province. And I imagine if it happens the

[2:04:12] Voice 9: first time that they may or may not be charged for that extra amount of water, but it's not

[2:04:17] Voice 9: just the fact that if they exceed and continuously exceed their water license that there won't be an

[2:04:23] Voice 9: enforcement measure on that it's not just if you exceed you um i will have to i'm not too familiar

[2:04:30] Voice 9: with enforcement just because the majority of the groundwater licenses that i've been involved with

[2:04:36] Voice 9: there's just no way that they will exceed this because of the low amount of water use in the

[2:04:42] Voice 9: winter

[2:04:44] Voice 15: right so okay so that's i'm not sure that that the water license per se addresses

[2:04:50] Voice 15: your concern which is that

[2:04:52] Voice 4: i wouldn't just rely on the water license right

[2:04:55] Voice 15: so

[2:04:56] Voice 13: i just maybe i'll

[2:04:58] Voice 13: turn to the applicant i have a question do you mind if i

[2:05:00] Voice 13: interject i was i was going to wait

[2:05:02] Voice 13: and ask it later but i think

[2:05:03] Voice 15: i'll ask it now um because i would like the applicant to comment on

[2:05:08] Voice 15: this um uh we've been receiving requests um and i think we heard some of it today

[2:05:19] Voice 15: um and and people wondering why non-potable water wasn't being used for other sources like toilets

[2:05:27] Voice 15: and things and i had my own view as to what that would entail but i would like to give the

[2:05:35] Voice 15: applicant an opportunity to respond to that request and what the implications would be for the

[2:05:40] Voice 15: for the um uh the applicant or how that would change the application of what that would mean

[2:05:49] Voice 15: as opposed to simply a restriction on outdoor use of water because it seems to me that that's about

[2:05:57] Voice 15: that seems similar but anyway go ahead i'll just let you address that

[2:06:02] um

[2:06:02] Voice 14: a lot of these discussions happen before economic projects i'll let colin jump in

[2:06:09] Voice 14: that I missed anything. But I think the systems that would have to be installed for using non-caughtable water, or using rainwater for non-caughtable uses,

[2:06:19] Voice 12: can get a little bit cost prohibitive.

[2:06:22] Voice 12: These projects, we have very limited budgets. We're set within what the funders do best. And

[2:06:29] Voice 14: there's already expenses included in these rural projects that wouldn't be present in more urban projects.

[2:06:35] Voice 14: So some of those costs are already seeing what we might see in urban areas.

[2:06:40] Voice 14: So

[2:06:41] Voice 12: to keep things simple, that wasn't really explored, especially because the water data

[2:06:48] Voice 12: that we've collected, the water management plan, all show that there was enough water

[2:06:53] Voice 12: for the residential uses there.

[2:06:55] Voice 14: It is, as I say, a little bit simpler to just restrict outdoor irrigation for a large garden

[2:07:01] Voice 14: area.

[2:07:01] Voice 14: area. So I think that's the main reason that it hasn't been explored today.

[2:07:09] Voice 14: So some of the clarification in the early days, we did explore and look at having, we wanted to have

[2:07:17] Voice 14: gray water, we wanted to use rainwater for everything. And so

[2:07:21] Voice 12: we looked into it and talked to a couple

[2:07:24] Voice 12: engineers who advised us that we have to double plumb everything plumbing is extremely expensive

[2:07:31] Voice 12: we also were advised by bc housing not to get too fancy if we want any funding from them we were

[2:07:40] Voice 12: advised

[2:07:41] Voice 14: to tear everything down keep it simple don't get into double plumbing because bgbc

[2:07:48] Voice 14: housing will downgrade everything in order to try to fund and provide funding um they they don't

[2:07:57] Voice 14: want to see fancy double-point systems so that was our advice so we we wanted to do everything

[2:08:04] Voice 14: to save every little bit of groundwater possible but in order to make it affordable because that

[2:08:11] Voice 14: we also want to be able to offer affordability to the people and residents we're going to do

[2:08:16] Voice 14: there um we just have to be practical and take a more private approach and given that the water

[2:08:23] Voice 14: analyses have come back favorably by the lady who said we were issued the groundwater license

[2:08:29] Voice 14: by

[2:08:30] Voice 12: the province it doesn't seem to be justified and there is an extreme expense tied to the

[2:08:38] Voice 12: and double plumbing

[2:08:42] Voice 16: sorry what was

[2:08:44] Voice 14: that i just didn't hear the last thing i said there is

[2:08:48] Voice 14: significant expense related to double plumbing right yeah

[2:08:53] Voice 13: no i mean that was my reaction is

[2:08:56] Voice 13: it

[2:08:56] Voice 15: seems a bit contrary to the view of we should have as deep a discount as possible and have

[2:09:02] Voice 15: people in that you don't be able to have the most affordable rents possible and then say you

[2:09:07] Voice 15: got a double plumb and all the places where you potentially could have non-potable water

[2:09:13] Voice 15: um okay thank you i just i wanted

[2:09:16] Voice 15: to raise that it's been raised we've received some correspondence

[2:09:18] Voice 15: related to the public community we've heard some commentaries today and kept all about it i wanted

[2:09:23] Voice 15: to give you an opportunity to address it if you weren't going to already sorry go ahead um i'm

[2:09:28] Voice 2: happy to make the two motions in the package if there's a possibility that we could work with

[2:09:34] Voice 2: applicants onboarding possible covenant language before

[2:09:38] Voice 17: the well

[2:09:39] Voice 13: my question might be though that

[2:09:41] Voice 13: i think it would probably be good to have some sort of no

[2:09:44] Voice 17: yeah i was just like thinking right

[2:09:46] Voice 13: like

[2:09:46] Voice 17: is it possible to the planner is it possible to schedule

[2:09:52] Voice 2: two meetings like the public hearing

[2:09:54] Voice 2: community with that kind of outstanding um understanding that we might discuss further

[2:10:01] Voice 2: their language around it's your water not

[2:10:04] Voice 15: the ring water caps for the you know model but just

[2:10:07] Voice 15: yeah okay and it's the covenant it's not the biological right okay

[2:10:18] Voice 17: that's when you make sure that

[2:10:19] Voice 15: is i don't see this coming it's being finalized

[2:10:30] Voice 15: and then I think it's really

[2:10:34] Voice 10: up to like I think in my understanding with our discussion

[2:10:38] Voice 10: with our legal counsel that uh section sections you like governments have a really broad application

[2:10:44] Voice 10: and so the legislation allows a wide range of uses the the legal practice perspective

[2:10:50] Voice 10: wording as it is, is that it is legal to limit to those purposes.

[2:10:56] Voice 15: And so I would be surprised

[2:10:59] Voice 15: if a broadening of that to include intensive maintenance activities or some other language

[2:11:05] Voice 15: like that would also not fall under the provisions of the Section 290 covenant. So it's really

[2:11:16] Voice 15: a matter of the local trust committee deciding if that's what they want to do and

[2:11:26] Voice 15: agreeing to continue to move forward with the application under those offices

[2:11:30] Voice 15: and the language itself

[2:11:39] Voice 15: and and just does it on a broader process question you could correct me if i'm wrong

[2:11:49] Voice 15: um presuming we we have a community information public hearing any subsequent action after that

[2:12:01] Voice 15: is related to the two bylaws like the two the ocp and the land use bylaw correct that's okay

[2:12:09] Voice 15: so so any subsequent action what those put the public hearing technically is about the land use

[2:12:14] Voice 15: bylaws because i don't know the reason for this but housing payments and through section 219

[2:12:22] Voice 15: covenants are considered to be administrative but technically requires however the good practices

[2:12:30] Voice 15: and our practices generally speaking is that we include those in the public hearing as

[2:12:37] Voice 15: so people in as far or finished form as they possibly could be so that everybody has a full

[2:12:43] Voice 15: a full picture of what the whole package looks like it's not just about the two land use bylaws

[2:12:48] Voice 15: it's also about the public hearing sorry it's also about that portable housing agreement and

[2:12:52] Voice 15: it's also about section 290. this goes through all these big applications so we would want to

[2:12:59] Voice 15: get these covenants as far as they possibly can be so that we know the form that they're going to

[2:13:05] Voice 15: take but it doesn't mean there can't be an amendment of a minor nature after that's not

[2:13:12] Voice 15: conflicting with your final right so if we gave you direction to explore with the african

[2:13:19] Voice 15: a restriction on in section 15 restriction on outdoor use in addition to your patient system

[2:13:28] Voice 15: you could then work on some language that might work and you might come back with some language

[2:13:33] Voice 15: something to agree to but that's like that would be worth that would be a good direction to give you

[2:13:40] Voice 15: okay so i know carly you're usually waiting to sort of go ahead and you're going to award your

[2:13:46] Voice 15: your resolution very specifically to me uh like this is intensive outdoor use is it all outdoor

[2:13:57] Voice 15: Because I will go

[2:13:58] Voice 15: away and work to draft that term. So I need that clear direction as to what we want to restrict. Do you want to restrict all outdoor uses? Do you want to seek language that provides some

[2:14:11] Voice 10: minor allowance, you know, up to some litres per day?

[2:14:26] It just always happens in the summer and that's when the water

[2:14:29] Voice 17: is the lowest, and it doesn't

[2:14:31] Voice 17: really get captured in the annual provincial water license.

[2:14:34] Voice 17: So

[2:14:34] Voice 2: I guess I would use

[2:14:35] Voice 17: intensive purposes in the covenant is what it sounds like would

[2:14:42] Voice 17: be more appropriate.

[2:14:43] Voice 17: Right.

[2:14:43] Voice 13: So, Carly, you usually are ahead of me in drafting. Do you want to tell me what you got?

[2:14:48] Voice 14: I'll let the gallery and the LCC ask staff to explore additional restrictions in Article 15 of the Section 219 Covenant to include intensive external use.

[2:14:58] Thank you, Carly.

[2:15:03] Voice 15: So is that your motion?

[2:15:05] Voice 16: That is my motion.

[2:15:05] Voice 15: Okay, I'll second that. And thank you for that. I hadn't thought of that, but I think it's an appropriate thing to do.

[2:15:21] Voice 15: before we get to the motion i have a couple of questions oh sorry go ahead

[2:15:25] Voice 15: thank you yeah

[2:15:27] Voice 12: i just wanted to thank you for the intensive use qualification because we want

[2:15:33] Voice 12: kids we want to be a kid-friendly environment slip and slide in the summer kiddie pools dog

[2:15:45] Voice 15: um okay and by the way we will i will come to your commentary before we get to the actual motions

[2:15:53] Voice 15: that are in this package uh which i've heard that trustee rockefeller is interested but i have a

[2:15:57] Voice 15: i'm afraid my my um follows me around but my former lawyer brain caught up to me as i was

[2:16:06] Voice 15: reading the housing agreement um and um it

[2:16:13] Voice 13: it it got to me on with in two ways uh that i sort of

[2:16:19] Voice 13: saw that i was wondering about and it's not it's not the the functionality or the the the the

[2:16:25] Voice 13: kind of structure and that but first of all i i would have understood that this agreement

[2:16:32] Voice 13: agreement would have had to have been with the landowner and not with Deere because that's

[2:16:39] Voice 13: it's going to attach and then and because the structure actually goes along and talks

[2:16:43] Voice 15: about when the when the subdivision occurs it then transfers over to the new owner.

[2:16:47] Voice 15: Are we correct on that?

[2:16:49] Voice 15: So Laney and I had this discussion on Friday and the

[2:16:52] Voice 15: real

[2:16:53] Voice 10: intent of bringing this housing

[2:16:54] Voice 15: area forward was to get that rent structure right in place

[2:16:58] Voice 15: and the local trust community

[2:17:00] to

[2:17:00] Voice 15: be comfortable with what's being proposed and it sounds like you are and so I think you're right

[2:17:07] Voice 15: in that we would need to add at least the Galliano Club as the owner depending on the timing of

[2:17:13] Voice 15: rezoning and so the local trust committee will or could potentially have a decision to make at

[2:17:20] Voice 15: some point whether they would approve rezoning with no subject to or approve rezoning subject to

[2:17:27] Voice 15: subdivision and so if rezoning was not triggered until subdivision was complete then the language

[2:17:33] Voice 15: may only be with with diggers and the local trust committee if the rezoning was approved just on its

[2:17:42] Voice 15: own and allowing subdivision process to then play itself out then I think we would need to probably

[2:17:47] Voice 15: to revisit how that front intersection is worded and uh and uh i likely have all three uh um

[2:17:58] Voice 15: right okay

[2:17:59] Voice 13: and and thank you for all that it sounds like we're all effectively on the same

[2:18:03] Voice 13: page on that issue and it arose as i mentioned an email to you on me where it's a little bit more

[2:18:09] Voice 13: tricky uh

[2:18:10] Voice 15: because the not really in favor so it's tricky but i don't i'm gathering that here

[2:18:18] Voice 15: there's no anticipation of the galliano club is that who wants it is would is it would be

[2:18:24] Voice 15: would be problematic in terms of figuring that out

[2:18:27] Voice 12: yeah if i can respond to that um

[2:18:35] Voice 14: that would be ideal just to reduce um any secrets on their part of having this housing agreement

[2:18:48] Voice 14: it applied to their plans and to their organization. So we can talk with Brad about if there was

[2:18:53] Voice 14: any way to avoid that. And based on the agreement draft that was part of the agenda, it looks

[2:18:59] Voice 14: like if the, we don't need it to happen before subdivision and the final ones are adopted

[2:19:04] Voice 14: at that time, they will have to sign it. We'd reach

[2:19:08] Voice 14: out to the Galliano Club to confirm

[2:19:09] Voice 14: that they are comfortable with this approach and have heard back yet, but that's a conversation

[2:19:14] Voice 14: that we're having um

[2:19:15] Voice 12: i think from gator's perspective uh delaying the rezoning until

[2:19:20] Voice 12: after subdivision is not desirable um it just extends the process um and sort of puts things

[2:19:27] Voice 12: out of order a little bit

[2:19:28] Voice 14: um but i think uh our conversations with planners have been

[2:19:32] Voice 14: productive on the similar page that galliano club can gain to sign um but the way the

[2:19:39] Voice 14: the housing agreement has been working it's very clear that the housing agreement travels

[2:19:44] Voice 12: with the land and that only applies to the newly created walk-in after

[2:19:47] Voice 12: subdivision and is discharged from the remainder of when it's activated.

[2:19:51] Voice 13: Right. Okay, I mean, I mean my understanding had always been that Hopkins

[2:19:56] Voice 15: didn't want the rezoning to wait for the subdivision to occur.

[2:20:00] Voice 15: or although it's a little would be in some ways and we always i always feel like we're the cart

[2:20:07] Voice 15: before the horse in some ways and in some ways that makes our lives a little easier but i

[2:20:11] Voice 15: understand that that can be problematic for getting funding if that's the case you have

[2:20:15] Voice 15: my other question however so it sounds like we are all agreeing that and what's really important

[2:20:22] Voice 15: from your perspective is what the content is.

[2:20:28] Voice 15: But I think that the owner needs to be eventually identified

[2:20:32] Voice 15: with the general counsel on the process.

[2:20:34] Voice 15: Michael, sorry.

[2:20:35] Voice 15: Sorry, I would just also add that we haven't had a lot

[2:20:39] Voice 15: of time for legal counsel to review that.

[2:20:41] Voice 15: And so we're focusing on those key substance pieces

[2:20:44] Voice 15: around branch structure and those other components

[2:20:46] Voice 15: of perspective and all

[2:20:49] Voice 10: of those other pieces.

[2:20:50] Voice 10: And so if there's these technical details, I use a couple other points, which maybe you're

[2:20:54] Voice 15: about to, but if there's technical deals that we

[2:20:56] Voice 15: need to work through and go back and work

[2:20:59] Voice 15: with you, we can certainly have time.

[2:21:01] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:21:01] Voice 15: So my other point is, and this may be a little more challenging for everybody is, I have

[2:21:09] Voice 15: to say, I don't understand the second paragraph in 3.8 and the release, the complete release

[2:21:17] Voice 15: of the owner and each of his officers, et cetera,

[2:21:20] Voice 15: both the owner and his diggers.

[2:21:23] Voice 15: In the context of the previous sections

[2:21:26] Voice 15: of the agreement regarding specific performance

[2:21:29] Voice 15: and orders to comply, et cetera, et cetera,

[2:21:32] Voice 15: is I know that there's always a desire

[2:21:35] Voice 15: for sort of equal discharge,

[2:21:38] Voice 15: but I think that language causes me some angst

[2:21:42] Voice 15: about releasing everybody from anything

[2:21:45] Voice 15: they could possibly have done in relation to this regardless of whether they've reached the

[2:21:50] Voice 15: agreement unless there's gross negligence is problematic to me because there are some

[2:21:54] Voice 15: obligations that are contractual in nature under the document that i would want to make sure are

[2:22:00] Voice 15: not somehow affected by the release section so um and maybe

[2:22:08] Voice 13: that was contemplated and maybe the

[2:22:10] Voice 13: lawyer said no don't worry the earlier

[2:22:12] Voice 15: um orders to comply specific performance and commitments

[2:22:17] Voice 15: under the under the agreement are strong enough that they will override the release section but i

[2:22:23] Voice 15: it just doesn't strike me as uh that's not the way i read it on my first couple of reasons so i'd

[2:22:30] Voice 15: like to get some clarity about the impact of the the release by the local trust committee and i'm

[2:22:36] Voice 15: not asking the applicant to respond that's really a legal question how it impacts the earlier set

[2:22:41] Voice 15: commitments in the housing agreement yeah

[2:22:46] Voice 16: i do yeah

[2:22:46] Voice 15: so i'll make that motion it's very specific

[2:22:48] Voice 15: um so i'll move that the uh the local trust committee request staff to clarify

[2:22:55] Voice 15: how the release in

[2:22:59] Voice 13: section 3.8 the housing agreement impacts the earlier commitments

[2:23:20] Voice 17: the earlier

[2:23:21] Voice 15: commitments of the owner in the housing so

[2:23:30] Voice 8: i just asked him to clarify how it works

[2:23:33] Voice 8: okay

[2:23:41] Voice 13: thanks carl i appreciate that's been seconded you

[2:23:43] Voice 15: have no discussion i i so i i again i'm not

[2:23:47] Voice 15: i'm fine with most of it it's a bit of a technicality but i'd like to see that so i'll

[2:23:52] Voice 15: i'll pay back so before sorry go ahead

[2:23:58] Voice 15: so we're going to get to a discussion of the proposed motions and dates um because i think

[2:24:09] Voice 15: we are going to have a discussion about actually alternate dates that are in the motions themselves

[2:24:14] Voice 15: else but i wanted to give the option opportunity to address the staff report and and anything

[2:24:19] Voice 15: else briefly if you could thanks very much for joining us go ahead yeah

[2:24:24] Voice 14: um thank you

[2:24:25] Voice 14: and just just

[2:24:30] Voice 15: so we're clear because people that are at home and recording can't see who it is

[2:24:34] Voice 15: we could turn the camera i suppose but it's the uh consultant for the the housing style

[2:24:39] Voice 15: ellen ellen i gibson

[2:24:41] Voice 16: eleni

[2:24:42] Voice 15: sorry apologies who's presenting at the moment thanks for joining us

[2:24:48] thank you thank you for having me um i don't really have a lot to add in terms of

[2:24:51] Voice 14: details about the project i think a lot of the technical issues have been worked out over the

[2:24:56] Voice 14: last several months um i

[2:24:58] Voice 16: just really want

[2:24:58] Voice 14: to go back to the need that there is on the island and

[2:25:01] Voice 14: the reason that this project has come forward um just how desperately um affordable housing

[2:25:06] Voice 14: in is needed on the islands and how this project is getting closer to becoming reality as we enter

[2:25:12] Voice 14: closer to completing this process um and myself as i work

[2:25:18] Voice 12: with them unfortunately hard to address

[2:25:20] Voice 12: many of the concerns that we've heard from

[2:25:21] Voice 14: trustees and from the public a

[2:25:23] Voice 16: lot of that is

[2:25:24] Voice 16: reflected in the housing agreement and the section to make to the covenant

[2:25:27] Voice 14: um and hopefully as long

[2:25:30] Voice 14: as the trustees are satisfied we can move forward to the cim and public hearing um this is a huge

[2:25:35] Voice 14: step to the project if you can make it to those milestones. A

[2:25:38] Voice 14: rezoning is a central or successful

[2:25:40] Voice 14: planning application with PC Houghton or CHP, the two major players that we would be applying to.

[2:25:46] Voice 14: Having land secured is also essential for successful planning and to be able to secure

[2:25:51] the land in this case, you need that rezoning. Subdivide it and get that land back first.

[2:25:57] So as soon as most things are complete, the

[2:26:00] Voice 14: project is really well set up to apply for

[2:26:17] Voice 14: And I think all of the work that's gone into sort of these technical details is also going

[2:26:21] Voice 14: to strengthen the project.

[2:26:23] Voice 14: Figures has sort of been made to think about a lot of details of the project that some

[2:26:28] Voice 14: of the projects might not have had to do.

[2:26:31] Voice 12: So it's going to become a really well-rounded project.

[2:26:35] Voice 12: These milestones that you're considering today, who would you use for the project?

[2:26:39] Voice 12: and i just encourage you to help with this project

[2:26:42] Voice 14: for us thank

[2:26:44] Voice 17: you so

[2:26:49] Voice 15: um there are a couple of uh

[2:26:52] Voice 15: suggested motions in the agenda but i know that you and i have talked briefly about maybe uh some

[2:26:59] Voice 15: other potential suggestions so if you want to present those uh

[2:27:03] Voice 10: so the two motions that are

[2:27:10] Voice 15: on july 4th and the original proposal was to uh propose then a public hearing on july 9th

[2:27:18] Voice 15: but as we've discussed we have some potential other conflicts in our personalized we've got

[2:27:24] Voice 15: july 9th date so we're talking about potentially moving into july 16th instead

[2:27:31] Voice 15: that's

[2:27:32] Voice 13: the public hearing

[2:27:32] Voice 15: that's the public hearing and continue with the cim on the bill

[2:27:36] Voice 13: so i know we we may have talked about this

[2:27:40] Voice 15: at somewhere along the line but i think the

[2:27:42] Voice 15: logistics of this are important given where we're at um we are having our regular meeting on july

[2:27:50] Voice 15: 4th so if we had the cim we'd have to think about do we need to do it earlier do we need to do it

[2:27:56] Voice 15: later what do you think well maybe i'll turn trustee rockefeller because we'll have a regular

[2:28:02] Voice 15: meeting as well as addition at whatever time the cim takes two hours let's just ballpark it might

[2:28:09] Voice 15: be longer it might be shorter um and and so that would be something that would be broadcast and

[2:28:18] Voice 15: i guess we need to think about whether people could whether we can find a way to get people

[2:28:23] Voice 15: to ask their questions another way and then what's the thinking of july

[2:28:29] Voice 13: 16th because i

[2:28:30] Voice 15: in terms of timing

[2:28:31] Voice 13: yeah and how to form it because here's here's my view i have come to

[2:28:37] Voice 13: believe over the last i

[2:28:39] Voice 15: guess eight years but over the last four years in particular that

[2:28:42] Voice 15: cim is sort of one purpose they are they serve a purpose for people to get the questions answered

[2:28:48] Voice 15: to get the information out there to get get everybody to get their information they're not

[2:28:53] Voice 15: the time for for input input or for debate or or submissions etc that the public hearing then is the

[2:29:02] Voice 15: the the format for where you where it's set aside you've got all your information you've

[2:29:08] Voice 15: got your questions answered hopefully um where you have an opportunity to make it

[2:29:13] Voice 15: um so i don't know if you've given any thoughts to what those formats might be so with the cim

[2:29:19] Voice 15: you could potentially hold it on the evening of monday uh four there would be one option where

[2:29:26] Voice 15: you could

[2:29:26] Voice 17: get

[2:29:30] Voice 15: rid of town hall i don't know uh in terms of you're right you would have a regular

[2:29:36] Voice 15: agenda and a regular agenda to work through so you could start earlier and make the meeting longer

[2:29:40] Voice 15: longer, you could you could have an evening meeting at the CIM.

[2:29:50] Voice 15: And you were here? I don't

[2:29:53] Voice 14: is it full electronic? Is it?

[2:29:56] Voice 15: So we don't have the

[2:30:00] Voice 15: that true so

[2:30:01] Voice 17: it's going to be in person or

[2:30:04] Voice 15: you could choose to do it electronically

[2:30:08] Voice 17: you can do

[2:30:08] Voice 17: it

[2:30:08] Voice 15: you can do it entirely electronically you just need to make the

[2:30:12] Voice 15: notification so you have amended

[2:30:14] Voice 15: your meeting procedure bylaws to allow for uh meetings to be held electronically so you could

[2:30:26] Voice 15: and you would need to provide a place to to hear or to listen and

[2:30:36] Voice 15: and watch which is usually

[2:30:38] Voice 15: the islands trust office in victoria it's that place to be that's not sure so um i mean

[2:30:46] Voice 15: it's really up to discussion this is what i've been doing it's within the regular meeting

[2:30:50] Voice 15: but if you don't think that you would have time and then we need to go into business as well

[2:30:54] Voice 15: i don't i don't think that's we have basically four hours five hours from the time the fairies

[2:31:06] Voice 15: arrive and the fairies leave um that's what we're working with on a monday and um so i don't know

[2:31:14] Voice 15: how we could and i don't know what the agenda is going to look like in july other than that

[2:31:19] Voice 15: but um i doubt we can do it all one day i i also don't want to consume about an evening from

[2:31:28] Voice 15: uh if i know you work no

[2:31:30] Voice 2: i can keep one now and

[2:31:32] Voice 15: i can stay over

[2:31:37] Voice 4: that's fine well

[2:31:38] Voice 15: then why don't we see if we can arrange for the july 4th and

[2:31:44] Voice 15: we'll have a regular meeting we'll have the cim at 6 30 and we'll have enough time and then we'll

[2:31:52] and then we're talking about the 16th and i do think 60 is particular public hearing should be

[2:32:03] Voice 15: a fully accessible meeting which means probably an electronic meeting which is

[2:32:12] Voice 15: not only because i think people like the republic but it probably is easier than trying to run it

[2:32:20] Voice 15: this way and

[2:32:22] Voice 4: that's what i was concerned about people would be able to stay at home and make

[2:32:25] Voice 2: comments well i

[2:32:28] Voice 15: think that they should yeah you what do you mean like i

[2:32:32] Voice 17: think i was worried if

[2:32:33] Voice 17: we did an in-person public hearing that would we've heard a lot of concerns about people not

[2:32:40] Voice 15: So my understanding is the problem with why we can't do it now is because I'm basically

[2:32:46] Voice 15: starting the meeting and then just sort of leaving it and it's just running but is there

[2:32:51] Voice 15: any I don't know if there's any particular reason why we can't if we have a staff person

[2:32:57] Voice 15: going to be there for fully electronic why we can't have an in-person meeting that we

[2:33:03] Voice 15: do this but then have somebody running it from behind like robin started this meeting for me

[2:33:08] Voice 15: and then she left um i don't know whether we can use the format of an in-person and also have a

[2:33:14] Voice 15: staff person um i know we can do that with a fully electronic but i just don't know if we can do it

[2:33:21] Voice 15: Like a hybrid approach, you mean?

[2:33:23] Voice 15: Yeah, like a full, a proper hybrid approach.

[2:33:25] You're right.

[2:33:26] I don't think you have one.

[2:33:28] I'd have to check with staff.

[2:33:30] Voice 15: Okay, so

[2:33:30] Voice 13: why don't we do this?

[2:33:32] Voice 15: Why don't we set it

[2:33:32] Voice 13: for the 16th?

[2:33:34] Voice 15: Should we just check it with the applicants?

[2:33:36] Voice 13: Oh, sure.

[2:33:37] Voice 13: We haven't asked you what the date is.

[2:33:39] Voice 13: Now we're talking about

[2:33:40] Voice 15: the evening of the 4th for the CIM,

[2:33:42] Voice 15: which means that your CIMs involve presentation from the applicant.

[2:33:48] Voice 15: They also involve presentation from the planner.

[2:33:51] Voice 15: And I guess we should check whether that's acceptable.

[2:33:58] Voice 15: And then we're talking about not so much involvement, but we're talking about I'm sure some of you will be here on the 16th conducting the public hearing.

[2:34:11] Voice 15: We haven't set time, but let's assume it's late morning to early afternoon or something.

[2:34:17] Voice 15: i don't know yeah what's what's best about galliano i expect the market's running again

[2:34:23] i mean

[2:34:24] Voice 15: what would what would be the most for me for folks on saturday would it be one to four

[2:34:32] Voice 15: i

[2:34:32] Voice 17: think one to four is a good time it's after the saturday market kind of fish

[2:34:36] Voice 17: people sit on their early

[2:34:37] Voice 15: morning meetings yeah okay

[2:34:39] Voice 15: so does that work for the africans

[2:34:41] Voice 15: as well as that that's the public hearing that's not so much of that so

[2:34:45] Voice 13: the

[2:34:46] Voice 12: public hearing would

[2:34:46] Voice 12: be electronic well

[2:34:48] Voice 13: we i think we have to figure it out but we want to figure out a way to make

[2:34:51] Voice 13: sure that it's available to people unlike our

[2:34:55] Voice 15: regular meeting but make it fully accessible

[2:34:58] Voice 17: and then cim is the same person correct

[2:35:00] Voice 15: be here at the hall at

[2:35:03] Voice 17: least that's the current broadcast

[2:35:05] Voice 15: but we have broadcast and recorded and i think we need to find a way to let people be able to

[2:35:12] Voice 15: at least email their questions i

[2:35:14] Voice 16: was going to say email questions would be one way i've seen that

[2:35:18] Voice 15: done in some way but we don't i don't think we have a chat function here

[2:35:22] Voice 13: and we don't i mean we

[2:35:23] Voice 13: don't for not with the live broadcast we have to figure out a way to do that but yes to make sure

[2:35:28] Voice 13: we get questions

[2:35:29] Voice 15: out um okay should

[2:35:32] Voice 2: i make the motion yeah

[2:35:33] Voice 15: um

[2:35:34] Voice 2: that they gather on local trust

[2:35:35] Voice 2: committee direct staff to schedule a community information meeting on elevation geo

[2:35:38] Voice 2: rc 2019

[2:35:40] Voice 2: 19 decimal

[2:35:40] Voice 14: one to be held in conjunction with our tc regular meeting scheduled for july 4th

[2:35:45] Voice 14: yeah

[2:35:46] Voice 13: and i guess in conjunction

[2:35:47] Voice 13: do you

[2:35:50] Voice 15: think it should be maybe it shouldn't say conjunction what do you think

[2:35:54] Voice 15: uh it's just it could just be separate it's a special meeting it's all special right

[2:35:59] Voice 15: special meeting i was thinking it would be yeah yeah

[2:36:03] Voice 15: yeah i think that's risky

[2:36:08] Voice 15: it is you break and go into it so so why don't we just say schedule a special community information

[2:36:14] Voice 15: meeting on application uh on for july 4th 2022 okay so i've got that motion yeah

[2:36:24] Voice 2: and i was just

[2:36:25] Voice 2: going to say um i'm putting the motion forward because i do feel like we have sufficient

[2:36:29] Voice 2: professional reporting to provide to the community enough information to to get

[2:36:34] Voice 17: information back on

[2:36:35] Voice 17: public right

[2:36:35] Voice 15: and i'm going to second that and i just want to reiterate that i agree we're continuing

[2:36:40] Voice 15: to get comments and concerns in the bus and all of them uh we appreciate it i know that there's a

[2:36:46] Voice 15: number of things that are still outstanding that certainly in some people's minds that there are

[2:36:51] Voice 15: issues that they consider to be outstanding that haven't been answered um however i'm also

[2:36:58] Voice 15: also satisfied we we passed a motion saying that it had met the standards of the uh the trust

[2:37:05] Voice 15: policy statement to get the checklist so we're ready i think it's time to move forward so i'm

[2:37:10] Voice 15: if i have nothing further to say i'm going to call the question okay thank

[2:37:14] Voice 13: you and also

[2:37:15] Voice 15: to say of

[2:37:16] Voice 15: course we've given it personally right by us so you know after the public hearing we still have

[2:37:23] there's still things

[2:37:25] Voice 15: that can be done in relation to the bylaws so there's a second motion and the

[2:37:33] Voice 15: date needs to change yeah

[2:37:34] Voice 14: i'll move that back out on local committee direct staff schedule public

[2:37:38] Voice 14: hearing on applications gl rz 2019 decimal ones we have on february july 16th 2022. i'll say

[2:37:46] Voice 15: same comments okay

[2:37:47] Voice 15: anything all in favor and passes so those two motions have passed is there

[2:37:53] Voice 15: anything further that we need

[2:37:54] Voice 13: uh just

[2:37:55] Voice 15: to further clarify so the cia will be in person on the

[2:38:00] Voice 15: monday before the evening the public hearing explore a hybrid approach so

[2:38:07] Voice 13: it'll either be

[2:38:09] Voice 13: us here with but we need to have full connectivity or or a fully electronic

[2:38:18] Voice 15: but if i don't have to travel that's okay but i do prefer to be here and hear people

[2:38:24] Voice 15: preference so the preference would be to have that higher approach that's my

[2:38:28] Voice 13: i don't know about you

[2:38:29] Voice 15: i

[2:38:30] Voice 17: have no preference i just want to make sure the community has an opportunity to comment

[2:38:34] Voice 15: okay

[2:38:34] Voice 13: and that will

[2:38:35] Voice 15: you know we've got to make sure i mean we've given lots of notice but we'll have

[2:38:38] Voice 15: to make sure that there's a staff person available to to run that on this narrative

[2:38:44] Voice 15: who says it's possible for i didn't personally be willing to so it is feasible and i think that

[2:38:51] Voice 15: robert unless she's busy with something else okay so i will uh look at oh we're going to

[2:38:59] Voice 15: determine if we can run it mixed up because i do think it would be better

[2:39:02] Voice 15: in person okay okay okay thanks very much i don't think there's anything else

[2:39:11] Voice 15: yeah we're gonna move on now to uh personal mouth now and i think there's two members of the exit

[2:39:23] Voice 15: of the applicant here i see mr eric has joined us

[2:39:30] Voice 15: so we'll use a similar process that that we use on

[2:39:38] Voice 15: the last application which is that we will have the staff make its report

[2:39:46] Voice 15: uh we will have questions for the um the planner from the trustees um and uh then we'll consider

[2:39:59] Voice 15: the various recommendations and any other motions that may be available to the program might be

[2:40:08] Voice 15: appropriate for the staff or the applicant welcome

[2:40:15] Voice 17: back thank you i'm just presenting

[2:40:32] the 23rd staff report on the first being presented in 2004.

[2:40:41] Voice 15: So it's a very reflective fast tracking

[2:40:46] Voice 15: and staff are keen to find some supports addressing the community concerns is important, but also

[2:41:00] Voice 15: coming to the finish line one way or another, which is important. So the purpose of this

[2:41:08] Voice 15: This report is for the Local Trust Committee on application with respect to outstanding items related to the application.

[2:41:21] So water analysis, of course, there's a lot of

[2:41:26] Voice 15: discussion around water.

[2:41:29] Voice 15: At the last meeting, the Local Trust Committee requested further information.

[2:41:35] It's provided in an additional staff member report.

[2:41:37] Voice 15: for the staff report, the special shoulder is on the zoom as well and he's going a little bit as

[2:41:49] Voice 15: it's very difficult to much different in this approach versus a true zoom meeting where you

[2:41:57] Voice 15: have a direct interaction and staff in the public it's much more difficult so I'm starting a little

[2:42:02] Voice 15: bit to hear and to keep up so uh the point being um so another question for uh requested uh the

[2:42:11] Voice 15: applicant has revised their management plan figures to more closely reflect uh probably

[2:42:19] Voice 15: more realistic water use and those are based on the majority of standards um there's a question

[2:42:25] Voice 15: around whether additional pump tests should be uh conducted

[2:42:28] Voice 15: staffer review that additional

[2:42:30] Voice 15: additional contests are not required, and Freshwater Specialist Shulbaugh can speak directly to that, so we'll get to him.

[2:42:38] Voice 15: But staff do recommend that the ongoing data logger monitoring be continued.

[2:42:45] Voice 15: With respect to the short-term exceedance of a maximum of 35% limit, staff would review that it would not have significant impacts on groundwater supply,

[2:42:56] Voice 15: In particular, as the storage proposed for the application, it should be used to buffer these events.

[2:43:06] Voice 15: So that you wouldn't be drawing groundwater directly, you'd be drawing to the storage for an advanced application.

[2:43:19] Voice 10: There is a water management plan that has been submitted by a revised water management plan with two key changes.

[2:43:27] Voice 10: And so one being those adjusted to be

[2:43:30] Voice 15: more aligned with the provincial standards.

[2:43:34] Voice 15: And secondly, they have adjusted their proposal to include rainwater collection to service all of the grants.

[2:43:47] Voice 15: Moving on to a question that's still in front of the Local Trust Committee.

[2:43:53] Voice 15: So, in a previous staff report, there was language presented with respect to creating

[2:44:03] Voice 15: a maximum day use limit, and the Local Trust Committee has not made a decision on that.

[2:44:09] Voice 15: So, before the Local Trust Committee took the rules, events were off, and the staffer

[2:44:17] Voice 15: the view that given all the professional work done with respect to the application

[2:44:26] Voice 15: while there is an exceedance of water use for the available groundwater

[2:44:36] Voice 15: that through rainwater collection and the massive storage potential that they're proposing

[2:44:41] Voice 15: closing. So the trust conditions around

[2:44:45] Voice 10: policy 4.4.2 have been met, and that's ultimately up to the local

[2:44:50] Voice 15: trust committee to decide if that checklist should be endorsed or not. Staff are recommending a hearing, a CRD-level hearing.

[2:45:00] Voice 17: uh

[2:45:01] Voice 15: the applicant has come to agreement with the crd on language uh around a statutory right-of-way

[2:45:10] Voice 15: for emergency access which has been sought by the local trust committee water license update

[2:45:18] Voice 15: so as we heard earlier in town hall that the applicant supplied for a water license

[2:45:23] Voice 15: since they've provided the revised estimates uh to the province uh with their event of water

[2:45:31] Voice 15: management

[2:45:32] Voice 16: plan and

[2:45:33] Voice 15: uh the province is really backed up with the review that uh water licensing

[2:45:39] Voice 15: so uh they're waiting for that uh provincial officer to be assigned

[2:45:45] Voice 15: if you were to move forward with your zoning this uh property you could make it subject to

[2:45:55] Voice 15: allocation

[2:45:55] Voice 10: of that approval could

[2:45:57] Voice 8: be in a condition of resigning. Moving to the staff

[2:46:07] Voice 7: memo, the questions that have been raised by the local trust committee are addressed in that memo.

[2:46:13] Voice 7: I won't walk through the whole thing, but I will present it here,

[2:46:17] Voice 15: and if you have any other questions, I'd probably

[2:46:19] Voice 15: ask you to direct those through a conversation with freshwater SHLDA, so it might be easier when

[2:46:26] Voice 15: where i requested a section to offer those questions and answers after proposing that

[2:46:36] Voice 15: trust committee consider setting a cim and a public hearing to move this out of its report

[2:46:44] Voice 15: to the next steps towards a decision that's my report

[2:46:48] Voice 7: before i

[2:46:52] Voice 13: turn to the trustee just a quick question this always seems to be a

[2:46:56] Voice 13: and i just wonder

[2:46:57] Voice 15: i i guess because you can answer this is why it's a two-step process

[2:47:02] Voice 15: is why you come to us and say give me directions to do this and then you come back the next meeting

[2:47:07] Voice 15: and say here's i guess that gives you the opportunity to consider scheduling is that

[2:47:12] Voice 15: is that why it's a two-step process uh

[2:47:14] Voice 10: with respect to like scheduling these things like

[2:47:17] Voice 10: we did that last

[2:47:18] Voice 15: month or whatever it was regarding diggers we passed a motion to ask

[2:47:22] Voice 15: you to do it and then you brought the motions this meeting to set them right it's usually a

[2:47:28] Voice 15: two-step process i guess you want to know yeah

[2:47:31] Voice 2: you want to know

[2:47:34] Voice 15: what sorry whether we're ready

[2:47:36] Voice 15: to move it to that stage and

[2:47:39] Voice 15: with diggers there

[2:47:41] Voice 10: was the subject to the right stuff but you are

[2:47:45] Voice 15: right

[2:47:45] Voice 10: it was typically

[2:47:46] Voice 15: it typically doesn't come with dates it's typically scheduled

[2:47:51] Voice 15: and that's that's fine i just i wonder sometimes and i'm not i'm not suggesting we should do it

[2:47:58] Voice 15: like we've already got one in july there are one set of them and we don't need another set

[2:48:03] Voice 15: um but before we even get to that let's i'm going to turn to the trustees for questions comments

[2:48:11] Voice 15: uh and then i'll turn to the options to whether they have any commentary or

[2:48:15] Voice 15: may have gotten any questions we have sure trustee rockwell no

[2:48:20] Voice 17: i don't have any questions

[2:48:21] Voice 4: um i want to just talk about a phase the based approach and whether i understand that the

[2:48:34] Voice 4: applicants may be prepared to look at a based approach that would involve

[2:48:41] Voice 4: um just going as far as the water will support as the water the maximum daily demand is at the

[2:48:54] Voice 4: at a particular level and that allow time for um that the review to demonstrate whether their

[2:49:07] Voice 4: actual demand is at that level or whether it's lower is

[2:49:14] Voice 16: that a question well

[2:49:15] Voice 4: it's a question

[2:49:16] Voice 4: i guess for the applicants and the

[2:49:19] Voice 15: planner as well so from a technical perspective you can

[2:49:23] certainly establish covenant conditions that require approach

[2:49:26] Voice 15: with water monitoring some

[2:49:29] Voice 15: whatever those requirements are i would see that technically feasible so what maybe before you

[2:49:38] Voice 15: turn what do you what do you i'd like to know what you mean by a phased approach i mean there's two

[2:49:44] Voice 15: obvious phases but you mean like which is the lower area on the upper area but you're talking

[2:49:50] Voice 15: about something different i'm

[2:49:51] Voice 2: talking about something different

[2:49:52] Voice 4: i'm talking about tied to

[2:49:53] Voice 4: water so that if if if the uh if this application were to be approved to be approved for uh you know

[2:50:07] Voice 4: 10 huts for example

[2:50:09] Voice 4: and that there would have to be

[2:50:12] Voice 4: a demonstration that

[2:50:13] Voice 4: the actual, that the water

[2:50:15] Voice 4: that the yield of the well

[2:50:18] Voice 4: can support

[2:50:19] Voice 4: that or whatever number

[2:50:21] Voice 4: but that

[2:50:23] Voice 4: and then over

[2:50:27] Voice 4: the course of a period of time

[2:50:28] Voice 4: that all of that would be monitored

[2:50:31] Voice 4: and the

[2:50:34] Voice 4: demonstration whether that's

[2:50:35] Voice 4: sufficient or whether that's

[2:50:37] Voice 4: you know whether that meets the limit you know whether the well can only sustain so many

[2:50:44] Voice 16: without

[2:50:47] Voice 4: relying on rainwater because i mean the the question is well how much rain can we rely on

[2:50:55] Voice 4: i mean i think we will get winter rains for sure but you know is that enough

[2:51:01] Voice 15: okay so did you want

[2:51:04] Voice 15: to pose that question to the applicant sure

[2:51:06] Voice 17: someone

[2:51:08] Voice 15: from right so while you're having a

[2:51:14] discussion that

[2:51:15] Voice 15: i was part of the last couple of weeks

[2:51:23] Voice 15: individually was that there was a concern um regarding the regarding the amount of water that

[2:51:34] Voice 15: being used in excess of the sustainable yield of the well that is within the design of the

[2:51:42] Voice 15: system that can provide that in a way that combines groundwater but there was concern

[2:51:49] Voice 15: specifically communicated around uncertainty in future weather patterns and so on and so forth

[2:51:59] Voice 15: and how reliable rainwater may be over summer months and drought periods and things of that

[2:52:05] Voice 15: nature. And a phased approach which restricted the development in a way that ensured that the

[2:52:20] Voice 15: maximum daily demand did not exceed, of all water consumption, the maximum daily demand

[2:52:25] Voice 15: did not exceed the sustainable yield of the well and then on top of that there would still be water

[2:52:33] Voice 15: captions

[2:52:33] Voice 8: but

[2:52:35] Voice 15: but it would provide some certainty the well could produce a full amount of water

[2:52:41] Voice 15: for all of the needs if rainwater patterns were to change and continue to be viable in the future

[2:52:49] Voice 15: so that was sort of my understanding and the occupant is our personal mountain was open

[2:52:56] Voice 15: open to that and what it equated to was something like a paid approach that would use the number

[2:53:06] Voice 15: of overnight participants by two and the number of daily participants by six or some combination

[2:53:14] Voice 15: thereof would be sort of that's the scale of the reduction to the approach that we need

[2:53:20] Voice 15: that so that's so that's what i meant and i think there's a lot of things

[2:53:25] Voice 15: and there was

[2:53:39] Voice 4: a question of the rainwater the roof area and the rainwater collected and whether

[2:53:46] Voice 4: that whether the roofs that are proposed would collect enough or would collect the theme office

[2:53:55] Voice 4: this that's in the water management report right

[2:53:58] Voice 15: so um so that system was designed by

[2:54:02] Voice 15: and i i don't

[2:54:04] Voice 15: have the details but i have an understanding of how it was included so he

[2:54:09] Voice 15: was provided with the uh filming sizes that would be permitted that are proposed

[2:54:16] Voice 15: that will be permitted if he used a system that creates a water catchment system for

[2:54:23] Voice 15: the proposed caretaker area and a water catchment system for the proposed kitchen and washroom

[2:54:32] area

[2:54:32] Voice 15: so the kitchen washing system utilizes the roof space on just those two buildings

[2:54:38] Voice 15: the kitchen and washrooms to fill i can't remember but the tank sizes

[2:54:42] Voice 15: over which are used and then similarly for the caretaker and they're separate

[2:54:50] and that's long separately that's the surface

[2:54:52] Voice 15: of those two buildings which is

[2:54:54] Voice 15: the only one or the only areas where the water would be and then he used the model where he

[2:55:00] Voice 15: looked at rainfall data i can't remember his daily or weekly rainfall data that's a national

[2:55:05] Voice 15: government's usage proposed usage over the course of the year and maybe populations in terms of

[2:55:12] Voice 15: developing storage needed so my impression is that it was is that although

[2:55:19] Voice 17: i have not

[2:55:20] Voice 17: i

[2:55:21] Voice 8: mean i

[2:55:39] Voice 16: do i have questions about the trustee over his face approach but only because i just

[2:55:46] don't fully understand it like

[2:55:48] Voice 4: so that you're saying the i guess what keith was saying that

[2:55:54] Voice 4: there'd be two less overnight

[2:55:55] Voice 2: it'd be equal to 732 liters a day water like that essentially so

[2:56:01] Voice 2: kind

[2:56:02] Voice 4: of like what i kind of brainstormed a phrase approach because i watched the video from the

[2:56:06] Voice 4: last meeting and i heard you say based approach so i was thinking i was kind of basing it on

[2:56:10] Voice 4: water

[2:56:10] Voice 17: but i guess people that's another way to do it um so you would just make sure that the

[2:56:16] Voice 17: build-out was within

[2:56:19] Voice 4: the combined water use of the sustainably yield yes and

[2:56:24] Voice 4: then then if that were

[2:56:26] Voice 4: the case that it would be monitored and reported you know monthly or to the lpc or not monthly

[2:56:35] Voice 4: but

[2:56:36] Voice 17: like they'd record it and then but there would be a time

[2:56:39] Voice 4: period of assessment yeah yeah but i

[2:56:41] Voice 8: I

[2:56:41] Voice 4: mean, they would be collecting the data and monitoring it in such a way

[2:56:47] Voice 4: so that if they were starting to reach, you know,

[2:56:51] Voice 4: their suggestion is that they will be using a lot less data.

[2:56:57] Voice 4: But we don't know that for sure.

[2:57:01] Voice 4: So they could, over a period of time, demonstrate whether that is the case.

[2:57:07] Voice 4: and then that could determine whether there was any more uh development

[2:57:12] Voice 4: um

[2:57:20] Voice 15: would be um that you would reduce the number of people so that the calculated maximum daily

[2:57:30] Voice 15: the demand would be within the sustainable calculated sustainable yield of the well yeah

[2:57:38] Voice 16: the

[2:57:41] Voice 15: covenant would make that restriction so it would say you can have only 17 overlay participants

[2:57:49] Voice 15: and eight days participants until such a time that it is demonstrated that the uh maximum daily

[2:58:00] Voice 15: the demand is x number less than um than originally determined by some kind of well you would monitor

[2:58:15] Voice 15: they have to monitor the number of people and the number of liters of water being used on a daily

[2:58:20] Voice 15: basis and take those measurements provide all that data to uh to a professional to be able to then

[2:58:27] Voice 15: pre-assessed maximum data based on the old world data yeah and

[2:58:32] Voice 15: then that would enable them to

[2:58:36] Voice 15: bring that report when if if and when it ever existed to the local trust committee and they

[2:58:42] Voice 15: would then and then that piece of the government would be removed and they would be allowed to have

[2:58:48] Voice 15: there 29 or the 19 or 14

[2:58:53] Voice 17: days people have discussed complicated

[2:59:03] Voice 15: and so i actually saw it serving a different purpose um because it seems to me that well

[2:59:13] Voice 15: and i'm not trying to i have to i have not lost sight of the fact that there are a series of

[2:59:21] Voice 15: of concerns objections to the application when i say whatever say that's not the focus has been

[2:59:29] Voice 15: recently um and yeah i'm conscious of all of the other concerns recently has been on the web

[2:59:45] Voice 15: and the considerations raised about oh is it really as productive

[2:59:54] Voice 15: up to them as we think as the.

[3:00:00] Voice 15: as uh as the report said from 2015 and the data seems to seem to support so that i mean i know

[3:00:08] Voice 15: i'm short-form and simplifying but that's the way i understand the main concern is that it

[3:00:14] Voice 15: really is not as productive as you think um there are other concerns that they

[3:00:27] Voice 15: the proposed demand is is not realistic etc and that's what you just talked to but it also

[3:00:36] Voice 15: if a phased approach see i sort of imagine phased approach would be okay you get 10 months now and

[3:00:43] Voice 15: whatever that amounts to in terms of people and let's see how the well actually works

[3:00:48] Voice 15: let's see how it actually creates and is it producing the kind of water we think it is when

[3:00:53] Voice 15: we put it in the service et cetera et cetera and if it is then and we know that there's excess

[3:00:58] Voice 15: capacity then we get another seven or whatever the number is i can't remember i mean there are

[3:01:03] Voice 15: i guess as opposed to 10 platforms that they quick to people that's the way i would see because the

[3:01:08] Voice 15: the alternative we're being presented to with all the time is we'll go do another project

[3:01:13] Voice 15: it um and um and that will prove but i guess the other the other thing is the pump test proved

[3:01:21] Voice 15: exactly what mr kohak says it does uh you'd still be left with the issue of what's the demand uh the

[3:01:30] Voice 15: demand is still an issue there too so it serves both those purposes if we had some sort of phased

[3:01:36] Voice 15: approach you could see what the well was doing and you could also see if the demand is real

[3:01:43] Voice 15: i mean i mean i i don't know whether that's the solution or not or any solution or a question but

[3:01:49] Voice 15: it strikes me that and um is that what you're talking about yeah

[3:01:56] Voice 2: yeah

[3:01:57] Voice 15: trust me about the life

[3:01:59] Voice 15: sorry i've been rejected

[3:02:00] Voice 17: but that's okay i was going

[3:02:01] Voice 15: to leave you guys i

[3:02:02] Voice 17: was wondering um i

[3:02:05] Voice 17: couldn't remember what

[3:02:05] Voice 4: the current provincial water license is for but i'm out of water

[3:02:11] Voice 15: Mr.

[3:02:14] Voice 15: Water license application is reflects the amount of groundwater proposed to be extracted, which is 3.303 cubic meters per day.

[3:02:48] Voice 17: Yeah, that's what I was wondering, so initially I was thinking, you know, reduce the overall

[3:02:59] Voice 2: all filled out um and then it would be simpler but in a way the fate of the courage addresses that

[3:03:06] Voice 2: it might use less water or more water and it gives um you know because it might use more than

[3:03:13] Voice 2: even this reducing right we don't know but i just don't know if the is it possible to make

[3:03:20] Voice 2: this complex covenant do you think like something for the trust

[3:03:26] Voice 17: I mean,

[3:03:27] Voice 7: it's

[3:03:30] Voice 15: how much pitch and if it's possible, I guess.

[3:03:32] Voice 15: Yeah. I know I'm just trying to

[3:03:34] Voice 2: think of periods of time.

[3:03:36] Voice 15: Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[3:03:40] Voice 15: If they had a plan to build everything out at one time,

[3:03:45] Voice 15: and you were going to build

[3:03:47] Voice 10: a base of it

[3:03:48] Voice 15: and then move on to

[3:03:49] Voice 15: the next phase after you're monitoring or something like that,

[3:03:51] Voice 15: I think that would be more feasible.

[3:03:53] Voice 15: But if it's, as

[3:03:54] Voice 10: I understand it,

[3:03:55] Voice 10: it would

[3:03:55] Voice 15: be a relatively kind of piecemeal approach to

[3:03:58] Voice 15: them developing the site anyways and so how long that plays out and how the permanent huts to that

[3:04:03] Voice 15: and all of those things there would be a lot of things to to think about i guess

[3:04:08] Voice 11: it would also

[3:04:08] Voice 11: determine it

[3:04:09] Voice 10: would depend on how complex your phasing approach is are you talking about

[3:04:15] Voice 15: only allowing the huts and not the caretaker residents for example or you know there would

[3:04:22] Voice 15: be all sorts of different ways that you could create a phase design sorry i i

[3:04:28] Voice 13: it's been a long

[3:04:28] Voice 15: time since i toured the site am i not correct isn't the caretaking residence already there

[3:04:34] Voice 15: oh it's not okay okay sorry i missed it i sort of thought i remembered when you came in from

[3:04:40] Voice 15: the road that there was a residence there oh okay just the kitchen okay so i missed i missed

[3:04:49] So if

[3:04:49] Voice 15: you were facing it that you wouldn't allow the caretaker residents for example

[3:04:56] Voice 15: until all huts were built up and they had an active plan to develop all those huts but

[3:05:02] Voice 15: if it took them 15 years to build those huts then it starts to become strange.

[3:05:09] Voice 13: Yeah and that's like what you might

[3:05:12] Voice 15: do is develop it because of the restricted governance

[3:05:15] Voice 15: that you can only despite the zoning you can only put six in.

[3:05:20] Voice 15: the first two years and then we'll we'll reassess the water and then you put another six in

[3:05:25] Voice 15: and then if you if the water seems to be satisfactory then

[3:05:28] Voice 15: no issues i mean i'm making this up um but let's be clear i'm making this up this is not something

[3:05:36] i'm proposing uh but then you could say then you could build a fair case of references which is so

[3:05:42] as he said you would remove that you know the plan would be

[3:05:46] Voice 15: that automatically probably if you

[3:05:49] Voice 15: meet certain thresholds the restriction and restricted government something like that

[3:05:54] Voice 15: it

[3:05:55] Voice 4: must be fairly clear because you wouldn't

[3:05:58] Voice 2: want the applicant to have to go through like

[3:06:00] Voice 2: an ltc process every two years

[3:06:03] Voice 15: no no you'd make it so that as i said it would be the restricted

[3:06:07] Voice 15: governance that you're entitled to have this off once you have not i i saw something that yeah

[3:06:13] Voice 15: like not to be unreasonable about the language and it's possible to devise that it's complicated

[3:06:20] Voice 15: and i think you'd also want to ensure that the applicant has the capacity to build out like you

[3:06:30] Voice 15: you would also want to build up a schedule that they would yeah then you can see that

[3:06:34] Voice 15: so that you're not stretching these you know 15 years later than you're going back to

[3:06:46] Voice 15: So it would also depend on the applicant's capacity to build the caretaker residence, for example.

[3:06:54] Voice 15: So let's

[3:06:56] Voice 17: probably go over water needs for that specific.

[3:06:59] Voice 17: It's a lot of water.

[3:07:02] Voice 17: And,

[3:07:02] Voice 15: you know, the other part is, you made the point, it's been 2004, it's where the staff report came out.

[3:07:08] Voice 15: That's 18 years and 23 staff reports ago.

[3:07:10] Voice 15: now it's a new application but it's uh but it's the same piece of land

[3:07:16] Voice 15: the same similar different concept but a different but similar objectives at the end of the day and

[3:07:24] so as you say you wouldn't want to make it so complicated that it involves lots and

[3:07:29] lots and lots of ltc times over our staff time particular to do a lot of build up

[3:07:35] if

[3:07:36] Voice 17: you really

[3:07:50] Voice 15: want to ensure that their groundwork proposal is meeting the sustainable

[3:07:58] Voice 15: will yield with over 11.1 to address the the shortfall you would seek a reduction in capacity

[3:08:05] Voice 15: as suggested in that step now yeah and

[3:08:12] Voice 15: whatever that looks like so

[3:08:13] Voice 16: we need to talk about that

[3:08:14] Voice 15: but we're going to you have more questions for that other questions i just had two questions

[3:08:19] Voice 2: that came up during the meeting today and that was the caretaker use is estimated at 158 liters

[3:08:27] Voice 2: a day but i know that the crd recommends that people generally use 220 liters a day and i was

[3:08:32] Voice 2: wondering what um reductions of water use were proposed that perhaps i missed for the caretaker

[3:08:44] Voice 15: again that was a number that was developed by

[3:08:47] Voice 15: Okay.

[3:08:48] Voice 16: In

[3:08:49] Voice 15: an intended assessment to pose the question, what is the use, what is the appropriate water

[3:08:57] Voice 15: usage for these uses, which include the caretaker and the participants?

[3:09:03] Voice 15: Right.

[3:09:04] Voice 15: And that's the number that he came up with.

[3:09:05] Voice 15: It's not a typical residence, it's a caretaker scenario where they will be resident on land,

[3:09:15] Voice 15: but they'll be participating in programs they won't be in the garden or maybe a kitchen garden

[3:09:23] Voice 15: or something irrigation their water use is going to be a little bit differently situated and that

[3:09:34] Voice 2: amount was in the sustainable yield calculation in the graph

[3:09:38] Voice 2: i see that right

[3:09:40] Voice 4: yeah he's included

[3:09:41] Voice 17: do that at 3 30 the 33.3 of audible

[3:09:46] Voice 17: water use sorry i don't know the graphic

[3:09:48] Voice 17: and

[3:09:48] Voice 15: i guess

[3:09:57] Voice 2: one question here today the town hall was

[3:10:08] Voice 2: the wastewater plan doesn't reflect the forecasted amount of water use

[3:10:13] Voice 15: that is true and obviously suggested that is on the on my work plan to a man and i would do so

[3:10:24] Voice 15: at such a time that there was a final decision on what i assume what the water use is there's

[3:10:31] Voice 15: gonna be further restrictions i'll wait until that and then we'll adjust the permit i think

[3:10:36] Voice 15: i can just say that i've been deciding a lot to site with the septic designer and it's a large

[3:10:47] area that i would imagine will be perfectly capable of

[3:10:52] Voice 15: handling

[3:10:53] Voice 17: uh another

[3:10:59] Voice 15: question since

[3:11:01] Voice 15: we have fresh water special show but i think it would be helpful to hear about the 12 mile test

[3:11:15] Voice 15: that question's come up a fair amount i

[3:11:16] Voice 4: think it was at the last meeting too but it's always

[3:11:19] Voice 4: good to hear guys i kind of forgot what to hear as well

[3:11:22] Voice 15: well you can you

[3:11:23] Voice 9: hear it hard to hear

[3:11:25] chair can you

[3:11:26] Voice 9: repeat that please

[3:11:27] Voice 13: the question was is that in your in

[3:11:30] Voice 15: the joint report from you and

[3:11:32] Voice 15: brad about about uh about the water questions we asked last month one of the main questions

[3:11:39] Voice 15: the one that's continued to be a matter of discussion is uh the your your statement that

[3:11:45] Voice 15: the 12-hour public test was was uh didn't need to be redone or a public test didn't

[3:11:51] Voice 15: be redone and brad platter smith was just inviting you to comment on why

[3:11:57] Voice 15: are you okay well that's your

[3:11:59] Voice 15: opinion okay

[3:12:01] Voice 9: well well um well listen um the the test that uh that

[3:12:09] Voice 9: mr kohut did was in 2015 and that even predates groundwater licensing so the uh technical

[3:12:21] Voice 9: guidance document for conducting pumping tests or conducting technical assessment for and in

[3:12:31] Voice 9: support of groundwater license applications came out after that so a 12-hour pump test is a an

[3:12:42] Voice 9: average length of pump testing that has been done across the island's trust area for the purposes

[3:12:48] Voice 9: is a subdivision usually and um this the pumping test that was done and the water license currently

[3:12:59] Voice 9: being adjudicated right now and the province is at their discretion to ask for more information

[3:13:07] Voice 9: if they need it and so if if the if if staff through the ltc asked the applicant to go ahead

[3:13:18] Voice 9: ahead and and do another pumping test it may be shorter than one that the province may ask them

[3:13:25] Voice 9: to do if they if the province feels that there needs to be more technical assessment

[3:13:29] Voice 9: associated with the licensing question so um like i i'm i'm not the applicant's hydrogeologist but

[3:13:41] Voice 9: from what i have seen from a 12-hour pump test is conducted in a time of year when

[3:13:47] Voice 9: when groundwater levels are the lowest and it was done with a C and that's why staff have

[3:14:00] Voice 9: requested monitoring because I believe at this time that monitoring gives more information than

[3:14:07] Voice 9: another pump test at length that would be, I wouldn't be confident in providing a length of

[3:14:22] Voice 9: time for the LTC to consider for a new pump test as the water license is being adjudicated. I'd

[3:14:29] Voice 9: think that that may be adequate information for the LTC to make their decision. Can you just

[3:14:39] Voice 13: clarify why you connect? I mean, I

[3:14:42] Voice 15: think I know, but maybe you can tell me why you connect the

[3:14:46] Voice 15: pump test, asking for another pump test with the water license adjudication. You said you

[3:14:52] Voice 15: wouldn't advise the local TCE to request another one while the water license is being adjudicated.

[3:14:58] Voice 15: is that i just i mean

[3:15:08] Voice 9: in in a hypothetical case if if the the province determines that there's

[3:15:15] Voice 9: more technical assessment that needs to be done and the ltc asked the client that asked the

[3:15:20] Voice 9: applicant to undertake a pump test that is of a different nature then the province would ask them

[3:15:31] Voice 9: then it's possible that there would be work that would be done that is in duplication or

[3:15:38] Voice 9: not satisfactory to the province so am i am i this is so i'm understanding and

[3:15:46] Voice 15: i don't want

[3:15:46] Voice 15: to speak for the trustees but i'm trying to clarify for myself and i guess for other folks

[3:15:50] Voice 15: is is is it your view that in the adjudication of the water license from crystal mountain

[3:15:58] Voice 15: if they think that the 12-hour pump test wasn't satisfactory that they'll impose whatever the

[3:16:06] Voice 15: new standard is and that we should wait and let them well we should let them do that uh and that

[3:16:12] Voice 15: we have what and that you're satisfied with the report that we have satisfies the criteria as far

[3:16:17] Voice 15: as you can say but it's a little walk if the province wants something higher then they can

[3:16:22] Voice 15: and ask for it is that

[3:16:24] Voice 15: what you're saying my

[3:16:26] Voice 9: misunderstanding is i don't want to mistake what

[3:16:29] Voice 9: you're saying no uh no i i you're correct um and indeed they have in for other applications

[3:16:38] Voice 9: the island trust area they have asked for more information um for a rezoning application on

[3:16:44] Voice 9: another island they asked for a full-blown water budget analysis as part of their adjudication

[3:16:50] Voice 9: which wasn't part of the original application so they they do have the the authority and the

[3:16:59] Voice 9: leverage to ask for for other information whether or not they're going to ask for that in this case

[3:17:06] Voice 9: i'm unsure and so um you know like from from my analysis of of looking at the report submitted by

[3:17:21] Voice 9: hi by mr kohan and high geo of the day that it accurately determined the the performance of the

[3:17:35] Voice 9: well of the day so so the way the test was undertaken by um and and i know there's been some

[3:17:48] Voice 9: correspondence that has said while the test was conducted at a non-sustainable rate often pumping

[3:17:54] Voice 9: pumping tests are because it's often pumping tests another word for it is an aquifer stress

[3:18:01] Voice 9: test and you try to stress the aquifer beyond its sustainable yield to then determine what the

[3:18:07] Voice 9: sustainable yield will be and so in that case that was what happened and then a sustainable

[3:18:14] Voice 9: yield was calculated using standard hydrogeological application and and so discussions with with

[3:18:28] Voice 9: planner smith and we determined that to to offer myself and for me to then correspond with the ltc

[3:18:38] Voice 9: and provide some staff analysis with more information that monitoring was uh more

[3:18:44] Voice 9: beneficial to the ltc to make their decision rather than undertaking another shortest whether

[3:18:52] Voice 9: that be 24 hours 72 hours i believe that that the monitoring provided us better information and then

[3:19:00] Voice 9: also has established a legacy of monitoring that will be continued through the light project okay

[3:19:08] Voice 15: thank you i just also added that stuff and i will let there is the opportunity to trust community to

[3:19:14] Voice 15: if and when if you want to a place where you're considering adoption but you finalize that you

[3:19:21] Voice 15: can make those conditional on uh water license approval and so rezoning would not uh trigger it

[3:19:29] Voice 15: until the water license is issued or the province has issued that water license and what i'm hearing

[3:19:35] Voice 15: from wally is that by doing that the water but the province will determine the information that

[3:19:41] Voice 15: has been provided

[3:19:42] Voice 10: to assess water quantity quality is adequate or not and if it's not

[3:19:48] Voice 10: then they will direct the applicant to do more work and the rezoning would

[3:19:53] Voice 15: not be improved until

[3:19:54] Voice 15: till that new word further demonstrated through the

[3:20:01] Voice 15: stuff now, or if it's not, that water license isn't approved,

[3:20:06] Voice 15: then there's only

[3:20:08] Voice 15: the trigger.

[3:20:16] Voice 15: That's just your

[3:20:18] Voice 2: was to go to face the first

[3:20:22] Voice 2: there would be effectively rezoned regardless of size, and

[3:20:26] Voice 2: and the lands would still be transferred to

[3:20:29] Voice 17: Alistair's conservative,

[3:20:31] Voice 17: not the conditional water licensing part. But like, if it

[3:20:36] was only six were allowed initially,

[3:20:40] if it if

[3:20:42] Voice 17: it was a

[3:20:42] Voice 17: test of Yes,

[3:20:45] only half the six,

[3:20:47] Voice 17: it would still go through the reason

[3:20:48] Voice 17: the process that would be approved to do the transfer of

[3:20:51] Voice 17: 75%.

[3:20:52] Voice 17: second and

[3:20:53] Voice 10: at some point they may be left with only six huts and and

[3:20:58] Voice 15: then their man gone yeah

[3:21:05] Voice 17: well

[3:21:05] Voice 15: i don't know i think we're sort of yeah

[3:21:07] Voice 15: i

[3:21:08] Voice 10: would

[3:21:08] Voice 15: think that the the covenant would describe the based approach and the covenant

[3:21:14] Voice 15: wouldn't be finalized until resorting is approved so they would need to i guess

[3:21:19] Voice 15: take that risk in a sense

[3:21:43] Voice 15: something substantive because they would need to in terms of development of their

[3:21:49] Voice 15: vision they would need to create the central facilities the power the water system set the

[3:21:57] Voice 15: field and all of those major pieces in order to then start piecing together things like

[3:22:03] and um you would want to have some

[3:22:09] Voice 15: threshold that was a reasonable size as your first before you

[3:22:15] Voice 15: would invest in all of your otherwise you would have to scale all of those things the covenant

[3:22:24] Voice 15: requires all of those so the company could scale those things but the company is also going to

[3:22:30] Voice 15: require you know 91 feet of the water storage and all these things based on the water management

[3:22:37] Voice 15: plan so so if you want to be something close to in terms of phase something that's

[3:22:47] Voice 17: close to the

[3:22:48] Voice 17: be patchy

[3:22:49] Voice 8: water

[3:22:59] Voice 17: because i have a completely different problem

[3:23:02] Voice 15: one of the other questions uh that arises for me and has arisen for me

[3:23:14] Voice 15: is and is in our checklist is about the issue of uh it's 3.2.2 in the checklist it's the uh

[3:23:26] Voice 15: we're supposed to or required to address the protection of unfragmented forest ecosystems

[3:23:33] Voice 15: within their planning areas for potential and i always believe what that means within their

[3:23:38] Voice 15: planning areas i mean just across the island or is it being in particular bylaws for particular

[3:23:43] Voice 15: property it's hard to know what that actually means but i'm going to take it you know we're

[3:23:49] Voice 15: supposed to keep in mind unfragmented forest sections for even for zoning for particular

[3:23:54] Voice 15: the properties at least that's the way i see it and i've tried to figure out what that means

[3:23:59] Voice 15: because i think every time a house is built there's some fragmentation that goes on in the

[3:24:03] Voice 15: forest in any front but hopefully there's a definition in in in the trust policy statement

[3:24:12] Voice 15: of what that means um and it says um forests that are large enough to contain and sustain

[3:24:21] Voice 15: the forest characteristic species that's

[3:24:26] Voice 13: the way it's defined there aren't

[3:24:28] Voice 15: a lot of definitions

[3:24:29] Voice 13: but that's what it is so it says forests that are large enough to

[3:24:32] Voice 15: contain and sustain

[3:24:32] Voice 15: the forest characteristic species characteristic species um and i actually i know you did the

[3:24:42] Voice 15: environmental assessment and we've talked about this a few times and when we talked about this

[3:24:46] Voice 15: and i've talked to others including people about what that means and i wanted to give you the

[3:24:52] Voice 15: opportunity because we're being asked perhaps today to check that mark off is to talk about

[3:24:58] Voice 15: what you you know your view after doing the environmental assessment of the ecosystem

[3:25:03] Voice 15: assessment etc whether that whether they the forests that are will remain are large enough

[3:25:09] Voice 15: to contain and sustain the forest characteristics pieces so if you i see if you have an opportunity

[3:25:17] Voice 15: i know it's not too big a topic to talk about but

[3:25:26] Voice 13: that's the one where that's the one we got

[3:25:31] Voice 13: and it must have been developed by somebody that was

[3:25:36] Voice 16: and

[3:25:36] Voice 13: i and i appreciate it's all ambiguous and it's left to us to decide whether the

[3:25:41] Voice 13: that

[3:25:41] Voice 15: section's been satisfied or not and you know with water they tell us well is the area

[3:25:49] Voice 15: something that that uh there's no more shortages well whatever that

[3:25:54] Voice 13: law that that north that part

[3:25:57] Voice 13: of the island this up this island and so we never know what specific definition so we have to make

[3:26:03] Voice 13: judgment call so anything you'd like to say whether

[3:26:05] Voice 15: it's any development whether it be

[3:26:12] the creation of infrastructure creation of roads creation of power infrastructure

[3:26:22] equipped up logging

[3:26:24] Voice 15: any kind of logging clearing whatever it's any kind of development it's going

[3:26:29] Voice 15: to have an impact to the environment for the forest it's going to create it will result in

[3:26:35] Voice 15: habitat loss and that habitat loss the pattern of that habitat loss you can relate the credibility

[3:26:45] Voice 15: so as you lose more habitat in the across this landscape the fragmentation of the forest is

[3:26:52] Voice 15: happening and so that is a fact there's just no other way around it so i guess you can

[3:27:01] Voice 15: so the development that is going to occur as a result of this result would result in

[3:27:09] Voice 15: habitat loss and fragmentation in forests. That is very true.

[3:27:18] Voice 15: Currently, the development that could occur currently under the

[3:27:24] Voice 15: existing note is the results of habitat loss and forest

[3:27:30] Voice 15: fragmentation. And currently on lot nine, it's known for

[3:27:35] Voice 15: residential use. You can grow a well there, you can use a few

[3:27:46] You can create clear future

[3:27:48] Voice 15: business online. Today, Crystal Mountain, you are the owners

[3:27:57] Voice 15: which we do that. So there's presentation already associated with the problem. Similarly,

[3:28:04] Voice 15: to meet the law, the law areas on lot A, which would also result in that loss and fragmentation.

[3:28:13] Voice 15: So, so then you need to look at it in terms of how this is being planned for the certainty

[3:28:20] Voice 15: that's being created around minimizing the habitat loss and fragmentation. And when you

[3:28:27] Voice 15: look at it through that lens, can you see a proposal that brought forward from a group

[3:28:33] Voice 15: who has paid a lot of attention to minimizing the amount of habitat loss that's going to occur

[3:28:41] Voice 15: that identifies all

[3:28:47] Voice 10: of the sensitive and rare and most important valuable ecosystems on the land

[3:28:53] Voice 15: first and then looks at where they can develop after they've protected those areas

[3:28:59] Voice 15: is um and then you compare that to what could occur now and how that might happen i'm not sure

[3:29:08] Voice 15: i couldn't give you a tentative answer of which would result in more after anything

[3:29:27] Voice 17: yeah

[3:29:28] Voice 15: no thank you you know the trustees want to hear from other folks that can ask them yeah can

[3:29:35] Voice 15: I just there's a point too that's up to and I think forgotten is that they're also proposing

[3:29:39] Voice 15: transfers 75 percent yeah

[3:29:42] Voice 13: no I know that never gets mentioned

[3:29:44] Voice 15: those lands perpetuity and and

[3:29:47] Voice 15: ensure that no habitat pregnant or you know development and fragmentation occurs

[3:29:53] Voice 15: and the overall part of my considerations related to this

[3:30:00] Voice 15: I mean obviously the nature of i'm just talking about so i'm sorry i just

[3:30:05] Voice 17: um i was looking at them

[3:30:08] Voice 4: the numbers and stuff and i despise brainstorming in public but um i was just crystal mounts quite

[3:30:16] Voice 4: sure they're going to use less water than the yield

[3:30:20] Voice 2: of the well right

[3:30:21] Voice 4: but

[3:30:22] Voice 2: christmas

[3:30:23] Voice 4: quite

[3:30:24] Voice 2: quite surely less than they need to be able to fill up.

[3:30:27] Voice 4: Yes.

[3:30:28] Voice 4: Yes,

[3:30:28] Voice 2: so we don't know that,

[3:30:30] Voice 2: which is why it's a concern, right?

[3:30:32] Voice 2: But maybe the phased approach seems quite complicated.

[3:30:36] Voice 17: I was wondering if it's palatable to the trust

[3:30:41] Voice 17: or to the applicants or whatever,

[3:30:43] Voice 17: is it possible to just put a covenant

[3:30:45] Voice 17: that no more than the water use

[3:30:49] Voice 4: per day is used

[3:30:50] Voice 4: and they can just do what they plan?

[3:30:54] Voice 4: So the problem, I don't want to approve

[3:30:56] Voice 17: something that says they're going to use more water than the than a supply.

[3:31:01] Voice 17: But if so,

[3:31:02] Voice 17: if we is it follows instead of all this phase approach just to put a covenant that no

[3:31:06] Voice 4: more water from the well can be used at this amount per day, and then report back with

[3:31:12] Voice 2: like killed laws like if they do but I don't know I have no idea that's

[3:31:16] Voice 2: just a thought of this

[3:31:21] Voice 15: well

[3:31:21] Voice 2: that's what i was wondering if it was like because you already have the one lesson but then

[3:31:24] Voice 2: i wasn't sure because that's 766 less liters a day than the u so i just wasn't sure if it was

[3:31:33] Voice 2: approved

[3:31:34] Voice 17: or just the challenge

[3:31:36] Voice 15: with that is that the engineer's analysis is that a full

[3:31:40] Voice 15: build out if you use a certain earth you have a certain use so then to create a covenant condition

[3:31:46] Voice 15: that undercuts

[3:31:47] Voice 11: that would that's from groundwater because it's more

[3:31:52] Voice 5: associated with the problem

[3:31:54] Voice 2: yeah like it'd be from groundwater really not from all sources but so i mean i know the provincial

[3:31:59] Voice 2: water license effectively does that so in a way it's duplicating the work but i don't have a

[3:32:04] Voice 2: 100%. So it would

[3:32:07] Voice 17: just, it was just another layer of ensuring

[3:32:11] Voice 17: that, like, yeah, they're using lessons, and now they can't use

[3:32:15] Voice 17: more. So they'd have to find other sources. But it would have

[3:32:18] Voice 17: to in a way be set up. So reporting

[3:32:22] Voice 2: back over period

[3:32:24] Voice 2: because you know, it's going to be a long development process,

[3:32:28] Voice 2: which I don't want to try to capture based approach, because

[3:32:31] Voice 2: I'm never very difficult with a building schedule and to find

[3:32:34] Voice 2: know but

[3:32:35] Voice 17: i mean that's just an idea um that's just that's just an idea hi

[3:32:41] Voice 9: chair that's william yes

[3:32:43] Voice 9: um so i would um caution against putting like a leaders per day

[3:32:50] Voice 9: for groundwater because we don't know yet legally how uh like if the water license is granted

[3:33:00] Voice 9: how much leaders per day the water license will grant.

[3:33:06] Voice 9: I've been involved with several rezoning applications

[3:33:12] Voice 9: where there's a water license involved

[3:33:13] Voice 9: and the province has offered a fraction

[3:33:15] Voice 9: of what the applicant has asked for.

[3:33:18] Voice 9: So that's another consideration

[3:33:22] Voice 9: that we really don't know how much groundwater

[3:33:25] Voice 9: will be allotted for the project.

[3:33:28] Voice 9: project. Well,

[3:33:29] Voice 15: thank you. And

[3:33:31] Voice 15: I think we're sort of in discussion now. I don't know about you two,

[3:33:36] Voice 15: but I'm actually pretty clear in my own mind that you never finalized the rezoning without

[3:33:43] Voice 15: water licenses consistent with what we're doing.

[3:33:47] Voice 4: No, I mean, that would be

[3:33:48] Voice 4: additional probably,

[3:33:49] Voice 4: but that's still two years or a year away, the water license approval.

[3:33:55] Voice 17: both uh

[3:33:56] Voice 15: yeah they told us it was quite a lineup last month because they were and i don't remember

[3:34:02] Voice 15: but but still i'll just take draw on another another rezoning we did we said exactly that

[3:34:10] Voice 15: we said we won't adopt the rezoning until we see the water license and then the water license came

[3:34:18] Voice 15: and we haven't still adopted it because other reasons that tend to have to do with other

[3:34:24] and other issues that arose but that but that was a fairly easy

[3:34:27] Voice 15: decision to come through because we

[3:34:29] Voice 15: don't want to ever because of all the reasons that that uh freshwater specialists will still

[3:34:34] Voice 15: to say is we don't know what kind of conditions they're going to put on and whether they're going

[3:34:39] Voice 15: to come along and perhaps ask for the sorts of things that members of some members of the

[3:34:44] Voice 15: community don't ask for as well um we don't know well

[3:34:49] Voice 17: isn't it all into premature without the

[3:34:55] Voice 15: Well, I think it, I'm

[3:34:58] Voice 16: sorry, I'm talking to them, but I can't see you.

[3:35:02] Voice 15: Well,

[3:35:03] Voice 16: I was going to

[3:35:03] Voice 15: say, I mean, the theory is, and it's only a theory,

[3:35:08] Voice 15: we'll do what we want to do, move our process through, put the conditions,

[3:35:14] Voice 15: have the conditions that you think are appropriate, and then go,

[3:35:17] Voice 15: but until the fraud signs off, we want it off, right?

[3:35:20] Voice 15: So you get through the rezoning, et cetera, et cetera.

[3:35:23] Voice 15: that's at least the process we've been discussing right i

[3:35:26] Voice 15: mean you could i'm sure you could sit late

[3:35:29] Voice 15: on this zoning forever before

[3:35:32] Voice 13: you

[3:35:33] Voice 15: get it before you get it yeah maybe

[3:35:34] Voice 17: even the phased approach

[3:35:35] Voice 17: more than all this affects essentially the water outcome

[3:35:41] Voice 5: like the original license it will maybe

[3:35:43] Voice 5: contradict or maybe be i would

[3:35:46] Voice 15: say as as the planner that i would not recommend zoning

[3:35:50] Voice 15: zoning without that water license approval you mean

[3:35:52] Voice 13: you mean non

[3:35:53] Voice 15: -adopting not adopting

[3:35:55] Voice 15: so if you got to the point where you had everything else in place and you were prepared

[3:36:00] Voice 15: to proceed with rezoning i would recommend that you make that result the water license

[3:36:10] Voice 15: is approved then everything flows accordingly and the subdivision falls uh after that uh if

[3:36:18] Voice 15: the water license is not to the volume that they were hoping for then they would need to revisit

[3:36:25] Voice 15: their proposal in terms of results you might have done once blanks you would have to do that but

[3:36:35] Voice 17: i guess could you do them like a covenant until the provincial water license i would

[3:36:42] Voice 15: i would not

[3:36:43] Voice 15: recommend that because because i think that yeah the process is that we're not even going to

[3:36:47] Voice 15: to approve, like finalize the covenants.

[3:36:50] Voice 15: Yeah, the covenant

[3:36:51] Voice 15: would be signed off at time of adoption, so all of those legal mechanisms

[3:36:57] Voice 15: would be triggered and be put into final, you know, signatory, not when you were putting

[3:37:06] Voice 15: it as conditional, but they'd be entering that covenant at the time of adoption.

[3:37:14] Voice 15: so like trustees i i'm conscious of godsend one is i don't know if we're going to get to the water

[3:37:22] Voice 15: the water uh sustainability implementation plan i'm also conscious of the fact that we have to

[3:37:28] Voice 15: we have to uh finish it by by no later than 445 in order to uh i guess trustee wilbur needs to leave

[3:37:36] Voice 15: and it's now 4 0 6. um and i'm wondering what you'd like to do

[3:37:44] Voice 15: at this stage are there things and and there are a number of options from the

[3:37:51] Voice 15: president we've raised a number of issues from from covenants to to phase in approach to

[3:38:01] Voice 15: lots of questions about water there's a lot of information here i mean i think the reality is

[3:38:08] Voice 15: even if you gave some direction there's not going to be a cim or a public hearing in the summer

[3:38:14] Voice 15: because we've already got one in july we're not going to do meetings in august um or at least

[3:38:20] Voice 15: i don't you can do it without me i suppose um but uh what are you thinking you'd like to do today

[3:38:29] Voice 15: day if anything and three recommendations one is again when this was here before us in september

[3:38:38] Voice 15: or october to sign off on the checklist um and which is not a in consequence does anyone maybe

[3:38:46] Voice 15: you know class with why do we do this at this stage rather than later on you know the trust

[3:38:52] Voice 15: policy checklist stage well you can't proceed with rezoning if it's contrary to the statements

[3:39:00] Voice 15: of the trust policy you

[3:39:01] Voice 13: can but you have to

[3:39:02] Voice 15: give reasons why the contract the implementation

[3:39:05] Voice 15: process is you have to provide reasons why you aren't following particular policies but

[3:39:09] Voice 15: but it's fair enough um more wisdom to answer than i but uh i swear

[3:39:18] Voice 13: why you don't do it like

[3:39:20] Voice 15: after i made it and we were very clear we usually do it around for free um but i just

[3:39:26] Voice 15: wondering why we don't do it when you have all all the input i guess the point is is that the theory

[3:39:32] Voice 15: if you're going to cim is you've got all those reports that you want available and all of us

[3:39:37] Voice 15: that reporting that you need etc etc yes um i

[3:39:41] Voice 2: was just wondering what about doing i know it might be

[3:39:44] Voice 2: a bad idea if it's still brainstorming a covenant approach with the 3303 leaders a day but then

[3:39:50] Voice 2: like have a release clause unless the province water license

[3:39:54] Voice 4: finds anything otherwise

[3:40:00] Voice 4: i'm just not going to go forward with the capacity above the water yield

[3:40:06] Voice 17: by well i also

[3:40:07] Voice 17: think the phase approach will take hours to make every motion of what we want included

[3:40:12] Voice 17: which is okay too but i'm just trying to think is there some way to develop something that i

[3:40:18] Voice 15: I'd be hesitant to rely on the government when a water license decision is still there to create anything through government without that understanding.

[3:40:30] Voice 2: And so would that be the phased approach as well?

[3:40:33] Voice 15: The phased approach as well.

[3:40:36] Voice 15: I would still seek zoning additional on water license approval because if they get denied a water license, then they have no groundwater to use.

[3:40:47] Voice 15: Oh,

[3:40:48] Voice 2: yeah, that's what I mean, though the covenant would be

[3:40:49] Voice 17: conditional on all those things, and the rezoning would be.

[3:40:53] Voice 15: Yeah, I would still not rely on a covenant.

[3:40:56] Voice 15: I mean, I'm not legally licensed, but we saw it, of course, about what the best way to frame that is.

[3:41:11] Voice 17: Enabling things you're uncertain of in a covenant is good service.

[3:41:16] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:41:19] Voice 15: Sorry, we still got, yeah, we still have the option.

[3:41:21] Voice 15: could but i think then we're heading into our own discussion go ahead i can go to frank when i'm

[3:41:28] Voice 15: hearing uh that's a guessing of mirroring water life restriction on water use in health so that

[3:41:45] Voice 15: it would provide the local community with a mechanism to water in addition to provincial

[3:41:57] Voice 15: licensing i hear that as well but without that water license approval i'd be reticent to

[3:42:04] Voice 11: enter that you wouldn't

[3:42:05] Voice 11: you wouldn't i'm hearing that you wouldn't enter

[3:42:08] Voice 11: you wouldn't rezone property without the

[3:42:11] Voice 15: provincial water license in place

[3:42:14] it would just be simple that seems

[3:42:21] Voice 8: to satisfy her concern

[3:42:25] Voice 15: over or utilizing groundwater

[3:42:31] Voice 15: water

[3:42:35] Voice 17: how

[3:42:42] Voice 15: i'm sorry are you still there's no point i get how is that where you are that's what i was

[3:42:49] Voice 15: so yeah that i'm sure that that's 740 liters that's made up through ground water through

[3:42:54] Voice 15: rain water so the rain water is not available and you wouldn't have to pull those ups is that

[3:42:58] Voice 15: you

[3:43:01] Voice 16: wouldn't

[3:43:02] Voice 17: you wouldn't have something that's what it you wouldn't have something they just

[3:43:10] Voice 15: but if you're operating

[3:43:11] Voice 15: at maximum capacity in your resort or in your facility and and you run

[3:43:19] Voice 15: out of rain water or even then ask people to leave because you're now getting into your groundwater

[3:43:23] Voice 15: like how do you balance and manage all that yes what would this system be well but the other

[3:43:34] Voice 15: problem is with i'm sorry but my view unless

[3:43:37] Voice 13: i'm misunderstanding understanding the approach

[3:43:41] Voice 13: if you put a covenant on it

[3:43:43] Voice 15: would come theoretically come off from the water license

[3:43:46] Voice 4: no because the problem i have with is i don't fully trust the province's oversight on water use

[3:43:52] Voice 4: especially commercial uses and also they do annual annual yields and i'm talking about leaders per

[3:43:57] Voice 4: day because it's all fun and games in the winter but then

[3:44:00] Voice 17: come summer this is where we saw the

[3:44:02] Voice 17: shortfall during these two weeks. And so another

[3:44:05] Voice 11: option would be to create a bylaw

[3:44:08] Voice 15: provision that restricts their summer attendance and allows them a higher

[3:44:15] Voice 15: attendance or something like that.

[3:44:17] Voice 15: I

[3:44:18] Voice 2: mean, I was just assuming they

[3:44:19] Voice 4: have 100% attendance all year round, no matter

[3:44:22] Voice 4: what, because otherwise,

[3:44:24] Voice 2: you know, you never know what the case is going to do.

[3:44:42] Voice 15: So

[3:44:43] Voice 8: I mean, I'm not I'm not hearing

[3:44:46] Voice 13: a lot of

[3:44:46] Voice 15: clarity about how we want to move forward and whether you are ready for me we were suggested three things in the stock report but we don't have to

[3:44:54] Voice 15: do any of them and we can do other things.

[3:44:55] Voice 15: The three things that were suggested were to sign off on the trust policy statement document, and then to instruct staff to arrange a CIM and to arrange a public hearing.

[3:45:11] Voice 15: Those are the three things that were done without any dates attached to them, but to basically say, we're at a stage where we're ready to do that, but I'm actually hearing a lot of questions as to whether you think we're there, but I'll put that to you right now.

[3:45:25] Voice 15: Yes.

[3:45:25] Voice 15: Sorry, alternative resolution would be for you to direct staff

[3:45:30] to work with the applicants for whatever

[3:45:36] Voice 15: you want to do.

[3:45:40] Voice 4: I mean, the water is what's holding it. Otherwise, I don't

[3:45:45] Voice 4: have a lot of concerns about applications. So I feel

[3:45:48] Voice 4: comfortable scheduling. I mean, this would be a covenant

[3:45:51] approach, or I don't know what's

[3:45:53] Voice 17: appropriate, but I don't have

[3:45:54] Voice 17: reservations

[3:45:55] Voice 4: except for the water management plan

[3:45:58] Voice 16: that's

[3:45:59] Voice 4: mine is there a benefit timeline

[3:46:02] Voice 4: for the the water licenses because i

[3:46:04] Voice 15: understand some have been getting probably a little over a

[3:46:09] Voice 15: year on the province i don't

[3:46:13] Voice 10: think stuff are the

[3:46:14] Voice 15: same staffing shortages and everything else at

[3:46:16] Voice 15: every other yeah that was from the kind of submission was that my understanding is that

[3:46:22] Voice 15: but even recently they haven't even signed an office for that.

[3:46:28] Voice 15: And that even after approving office,

[3:46:31] Voice 15: they haven't signed that.

[3:46:32] Voice 15: Oh, wow.

[3:46:33] Voice 17: Okay.

[3:46:34] Voice 17: Yeah.

[3:46:34] Voice 17: So don't.

[3:46:36] Voice 13: So we can,

[3:46:37] Voice 13: so there's an option is to give directions to have them to work with them,

[3:46:41] Voice 15: either in relation to a phased approach or a restriction on water

[3:46:44] Voice 15: in the covenant.

[3:46:46] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:46:47] Voice 15: A phased

[3:46:48] Voice 2: approach for me is like,

[3:46:49] Voice 2: I just feel like it's kind of,

[3:46:50] Voice 2: it's too complicated with the,

[3:46:52] Voice 2: the buildup period.

[3:46:54] Voice 2: you know 20 years they're going to come back to the trust of the day i

[3:46:58] Voice 4: don't know it

[3:46:59] Voice 2: seems to me

[3:46:59] Voice 2: like it has to be something a bit more specific and applicable to today's use and

[3:47:05] Voice 17: i don't know

[3:47:05] Voice 2: maybe

[3:47:06] Voice 17: stuff but maybe i won't maybe it's a simple procedure um

[3:47:10] Voice 15: i haven't seen it so i don't know

[3:47:12] Voice 15: what it looks like

[3:47:13] Voice 17: yeah but

[3:47:15] Voice 15: doesn't mean it's not possible it's just it would put some checkpoints

[3:47:19] Voice 15: in as to as to as how things unfold yeah um

[3:47:22] Voice 15: and as they as checkpoints were met restrictions would

[3:47:26] Voice 15: come off i mean that's the theory

[3:47:28] Voice 15: um i mean

[3:47:30] Voice 15: remember that following

[3:47:31] Voice 13: if

[3:47:33] Voice 15: we ever get to the

[3:47:34] Voice 15: end of this process and we may not um

[3:47:36] Voice 16: and

[3:47:37] Voice 15: i always have to say that because it's not we're not going

[3:47:40] Voice 15: to make fun of any final decision for the end of our process there's still a rezoning i'm sorry a

[3:47:45] Voice 15: subdivision process yeah we

[3:47:47] Voice 15: got through now i think there's this bit of a shortcut that's what

[3:47:49] Voice 15: i forget what it is

[3:47:50] Voice 15: donated yeah i

[3:47:53] Voice 13: forget what it's called there's a name for it i can't remember

[3:47:58] Voice 15: but still it will take time um yeah before that so it's going to be a while before any of that

[3:48:05] Voice 15: occurs before the actual donation but it's still so anyway i think in this case you would also want

[3:48:10] Voice 15: to make reasonable subject to uh subdivision approval in that you are truly transferring

[3:48:17] Voice 15: that land base versus you know uh what the husband can go to where that remains

[3:48:29] so

[3:48:31] Voice 15: are there um steps that the trust will have to trust these one to take

[3:48:36] Voice 2: well if everything's

[3:48:39] Voice 2: it within a covenant then we could direct

[3:48:43] Voice 17: staff for the pope but we don't really know

[3:48:45] Voice 4: what kind of changes we'll need to address the water issue right like would staff recommend

[3:48:53] Voice 2: scheduling a public hearing at this point with the concerns that i've looked up myself

[3:48:58] Voice 2: myself or exactly uh

[3:48:59] Voice 10: you are if your position is that you are not satisfied with the proposal

[3:49:09] Voice 10: as it is where potentially they could

[3:49:12] Voice 15: be over allocating uh their groundwater

[3:49:15] Voice 15: use in the shortfall of rainwater catchment uh then we should defer those decisions and

[3:49:28] Voice 15: how do

[3:49:29] Voice 4: you want them

[3:49:29] Voice 15: to solve sorry you

[3:49:30] Voice 4: would work with the applicant on that

[3:49:32] Voice 15: so in my view

[3:49:33] Voice 15: that the ways that you could solve that would be to reduce capacity in some way to take some

[3:49:39] Voice 15: things away a complicated

[3:49:42] Voice 11: phased

[3:49:43] Voice 15: covenant approach for

[3:49:47] Voice 17: the weird covenant i suggested

[3:49:48] Voice 17: or seek

[3:49:51] Voice 15: legal advice on what are the pros and cons and risks of establishing our own

[3:50:00] Voice 15: government condition that requires them to not use that volume above and beyond, but

[3:50:07] Voice 15: then that requires monitoring.

[3:50:09] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:50:10] Voice 2: The

[3:50:11] Voice 15: simplest approach would be to scale up.

[3:50:14] Voice 15: Yeah,

[3:50:14] Voice 2: which would still entail the more discussion with the applicant.

[3:50:19] Voice 15: Oh, yeah.

[3:50:19] Voice 2: Yeah. I

[3:50:20] Voice 15: think what this planner is saying is he'd like some direction as to what he'd like to do.

[3:50:25] Oh, yeah. Yes.

[3:50:32] So following up on what Trustee Roberts has suggested about the 3303,

[3:50:39] Voice 4: if you had that as your

[3:50:46] Voice 4: figure and uh the water license came back and said oh no it's going to be less then wouldn't

[3:50:56] Voice 4: that water license supersede whatever we had approved if

[3:51:05] Voice 8: it said less yes

[3:51:06] Voice 2: if it said less

[3:51:07] Voice 13: yes it would supersede our ground so

[3:51:10] Voice 5: i mean there's kind of a maybe

[3:51:13] Voice 4: i should make a motion

[3:51:13] Voice 4: for a staff to investigate possible let's

[3:51:18] Voice 13: get an extra crow she's with me

[3:51:24] Voice 2: possible amendments to the water management plan so no

[3:51:30] Voice 13: no no covenant yeah

[3:51:33] Voice 17: section

[3:51:34] Voice 15: 219 covenant

[3:51:36] Voice 15: to place restrictions on water use based on what the

[3:51:40] Voice 5: daily the request to the province for the

[3:51:43] Voice 5: daily he says three or three meters per day the mpd no

[3:51:48] Voice 2: the mpd is yeah okay so

[3:51:53] Voice 15: is that what you'd

[3:51:53] Voice 15: like him to explore i

[3:51:55] Voice 2: mean that's what i would like to explore i mean possibly

[3:51:58] Voice 17: i guess if we

[3:51:59] Voice 17: could because i'm not in motion but i don't know if you guys want to face the proof i'm happy to

[3:52:05] Voice 17: do that or not yeah it sounds like that that's actually problematic okay so

[3:52:13] Voice 4: So, yeah, just that.

[3:52:15] Voice 4: It's for the Section 219 Covenant.

[3:52:20] Voice 15: Well, let's see what Carly has.

[3:52:23] Voice 4: Investigate possible amendments to the Section 219 Covenant

[3:52:26] Voice 4: to face restrictions on water use

[3:52:28] Voice 4: based on the request of the province

[3:52:30] Voice 4: on maximum use per day.

[3:52:33] Voice 4: Yeah,

[3:52:34] Voice 16: based on the

[3:52:34] Voice 4: maximum daily demand.

[3:52:42] Voice 4: I mean, it's that or reduced capacity.

[3:52:45] Voice 2: So, I mean, I'd be interested to investigate.

[3:52:48] Voice 17: Yeah, I mean...

[3:52:51] Voice 2: i mean unless

[3:52:51] Voice 17: he was i'll second

[3:52:56] Voice 5: the motion okay so it's

[3:52:58] Voice 4: like discussions

[3:52:59] Voice 15: if there

[3:53:03] Voice 4: is a restriction to 3303 then that limits the development until such times that

[3:53:13] Voice 4: demonstrated what 3303 can can sustain i mean

[3:53:19] Voice 4: that's not included in that promotion

[3:53:22] Voice 4: no

[3:53:22] Voice 5: no i don't think you're thinking okay because maybe you're thinking it will act as a phasing

[3:53:31] Voice 15: because of the nature except that except that isn't there water management plans such that

[3:53:36] Voice 15: that's what they say the water demand for those in the lower area is no i

[3:53:41] Voice 2: mean that that is

[3:53:43] Voice 4: it's not without the that's the not including the non-bottom so right yeah yeah but i mean what

[3:53:50] Voice 4: But what is suggested as the MDD is significantly higher than what they think they will use.

[3:54:03] Voice 5: It's not because you're

[3:54:04] Voice 4: talking about people taking a shower every day and doing laundry every other day.

[3:54:10] Voice 4: I guess maybe 4,800 would be the one management plan.

[3:54:14] Voice 4: All these.

[3:54:15] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:54:17] Voice 15: i'm not i'm fine if you want to go this direction i i am concerned that this is

[3:54:22] Voice 15: that these are stretching the efficacy of section 219 covenants to an area that may not be very

[3:54:30] Voice 15: effective um how do you monitor that how do you make sure that happens as opposed to the actual

[3:54:36] Voice 15: and use itself which is what you do is say how do you use the land which is why i sort of thought

[3:54:44] Voice 15: that the whole phased approach might because that's actually talking about how they're how

[3:54:49] Voice 15: how the land is being used might be a way to do it and do it in stages but i hear you that

[3:54:55] Voice 15: you think that's the comment so go ahead i

[3:54:59] Voice 4: don't know i just it's i mean it's dumb i guess to

[3:55:02] Voice 4: do two like copy the provinces work it's just i know they do annual reporting and so you're not

[3:55:07] Voice 4: going to get that daily use monitoring in the summer which is where i have the problem because

[3:55:15] Voice 4: of that short call of groundwater right so

[3:55:17] Voice 4: i mean in other words i don't need to duplicate

[3:55:20] Voice 4: the efforts um i

[3:55:23] Voice 17: just don't want to see the groundwater drawing you know higher in summer

[3:55:27] Voice 17: than it's supposed to be because there'll be no monitoring

[3:55:30] Voice 4: essentially or no enforcement trustee

[3:55:33] Voice 16: well i

[3:55:34] Voice 4: just wanted to ask the applicants what is the plan for water monitoring there will be

[3:55:41] Voice 15: a water meter from well and a water meter that where exactly in the system

[3:55:52] Voice 15: so you will be able to monitor water catchments use the audible use and the total

[3:56:15] Voice 4: check on what on a monthly basis a daily basis what's uh

[3:56:22] Voice 15: well i think uh that would depend on

[3:56:25] Voice 15: but i think if you're going to for instance try and determine

[3:56:53] Voice 15: so um we do have a motion that's been moved and seconded i'll just say i you know i'll support

[3:56:58] Voice 15: with how you want to defer but i will say that you know we haven't talked about finding ways to

[3:57:05] Voice 15: reduce the the uh the demand um rather than and language which you're talking about is sort of

[3:57:14] Voice 15: putting another layer of restrictions on them similar to what the products

[3:57:20] Voice 15: are maybe not but that that's how you're addressing this rather than addressing the lines

[3:57:28] Voice 15: but if you want to try and do that if that's what makes you comfortable about the the application

[3:57:34] Voice 15: the concerns around water we try and do that well

[3:57:38] Voice 2: i mean there's always the option of just reducing

[3:57:40] Voice 2: it by the 732 weeks a day which i'm happy to do as well which is like the four overnight users

[3:57:47] Voice 2: or a

[3:57:48] Voice 2: combination you're

[3:57:49] Voice 13: again talking about the amount of water that's being used as opposed to

[3:57:52] Voice 13: the landings it has

[3:57:54] Voice 15: the same impact well reducing

[3:57:56] Voice 2: the capacity it's like

[3:57:59] Voice 4: reducing the numbers

[3:58:02] Voice 15: well i think that's what the plan is that's another option well

[3:58:05] Voice 2: i mean i'm still open to that

[3:58:07] Voice 2: that's i just i feel like i'm gonna have i want to write it two opportunities two options which is

[3:58:12] Voice 2: the possibility of an additional covenant regulating

[3:58:16] Voice 17: water or just a straight reduction

[3:58:18] Voice 17: okay well

[3:58:24] Voice 15: i think we need to move this forward one way or the other or not

[3:58:28] Voice 15: um if you want to think about it some more we can defer there's a motion with a motion on the table

[3:58:34] Voice 15: it's been seconded uh you want to read it back uh

[3:58:39] Voice 4: the lcc direct staff to investigate possible

[3:58:41] Voice 4: amendments to the second 2019 covenant place restrictions on

[3:58:44] Voice 16: the waterways based on the

[3:58:46] Voice 16: request of the province based on the maximum daily demand okay

[3:58:50] Voice 8: that's been moved in second

[3:58:51] Voice 8: we should speak to that anymore no i

[3:59:00] Voice 15: think it's too narrow i think well so as what i'm hearing is

[3:59:06] Voice 15: uh these approaches are very volatile because it's sort of less and so the two options are then

[3:59:14] Voice 15: exploring a covenant approach which requires that they only use 30 liters or seek that they reduce

[3:59:27] Voice 15: capacity so if you'll the ltc could direct the applicant to reduce capacity in some way to

[3:59:35] Voice 15: to address the shortfall straightest and simplest, and then it's up to the advocate to decide

[3:59:41] Voice 15: if they want to do that or not.

[3:59:42] Voice 15: And if they want to, then they'll find a way to do that.

[3:59:46] Voice 15: If they don't want to, then I guess their application falls away.

[3:59:51] Voice 15: That's where the trust community stands.

[3:59:54] Voice 11: Or you could ask the staff to explore both of those options.

[4:00:00] Voice 11: So it can be something like the

[4:00:03] Voice 15: LTC directs staff to explore options for ensuring groundwater use is consistent with proposed water license capacity,

[4:00:20] Voice 15: including a Section 219 government approach and restriction of capacity.

[4:00:31] Voice 17: motion so much better than mine

[4:00:33] Voice 15: let's let's i mean we did have a motion that was moved and seconded

[4:00:41] Voice 15: um and uh we can defeat

[4:00:46] Voice 15: it and then put the new motion on the table so let's let's

[4:00:51] Voice 15: i'll call the vote is anybody in favor of your original motion no so it

[4:00:54] Voice 15: falls so what's the second what's the proposed language of the i'm sorry i've missed the last

[4:00:59] Voice 15: Does

[4:01:00] Voice 4: the LCC direct staff to explore options for ensuring groundwater use is consistent with the proposed water license capacity, including a section 219 government approach and restriction of capacity?

[4:01:12] Voice 15: Restriction of capacity.

[4:01:20] Voice 15: Restriction of development.

[4:01:22] Voice 15: Oh,

[4:01:26] Voice 7: I'm so good.

[4:01:32] Voice 15: and restriction or and further restriction of use yeah okay i'll move that

[4:01:40] Voice 15: okay so that that's

[4:01:42] Voice 15: been moved so that will allow him to go and talk to him about okay let's talk about and i'm just

[4:01:48] Voice 15: making this up the care care residents let's go talk about these other things uh is there a phased

[4:01:54] Voice 15: approach is there a lot and see if there's something that that works and bring it back

[4:02:00] Voice 15: so that's been moved and seconded um is there any discussion i think we've talked about a lot

[4:02:07] Voice 15: so that passes now the road as i said i mean i'll leave it to you but i'm not sure that any of the

[4:02:16] Voice 15: three motions that are there right now are appropriate i think there's lots of things

[4:02:20] Voice 15: for us to consider still um as we work our three through and i appreciate i want to say thank you

[4:02:26] very much for the openness to talk about these issues

[4:02:29] Voice 15: as we work through these issues because

[4:02:35] Voice 15: i know you may you know i know you're there's as there is some i won't call it fatigue but there's

[4:02:43] Voice 15: some concern about how long everything these things take we get accused a lot of being a

[4:02:49] Voice 15: long process and this has been a particular way i'll just say i my

[4:02:53] Voice 15: island had the longest

[4:02:55] Voice 15: application on record was 41 years so and we eventually passed the reason after five trials

[4:03:05] Voice 15: not suggesting you're going to get there but then i think so this seems like an awful long time

[4:03:12] Voice 15: but come back to those issues is there anything

[4:03:15] Voice 15: else that we need to deal with in relation to

[4:03:17] Voice 15: this i don't think we're going to pass it into the ocean

[4:03:20] Voice 15: yes

[4:03:27] Voice 15: are there any other substantive issues um from any of the precepts

[4:03:34] Voice 15: so that we don't you know go on and resolve the issue that's been identified

[4:03:53] Voice 15: and i totally understand that i'm not going to promise that that's the case because

[4:03:58] Voice 15: issues arise um we read we read all of the submissions from various people and which

[4:04:06] Voice 15: concerns the considerations and there remain there probably are a multitude but i think i

[4:04:12] Voice 15: was talking to one of the neighbors the other day and i sort of enumerated what i saw as the four

[4:04:17] Voice 15: or five issues that were the major issues are outstanding um and i don't know that none of

[4:04:23] Voice 15: those will ever arise again because they may amongst trustees but i don't know if the trustees

[4:04:27] Voice 15: have any other major issues you'd like to i'm

[4:04:30] Voice 4: satisfied with this time to

[4:04:32] Voice 17: move forward with

[4:04:33] Voice 17: the plans until we get more close to the public hearing community information in the water

[4:04:37] Voice 17: management festival yeah

[4:04:39] Voice 17: so

[4:04:40] Voice 15: i think that's your answer thank you i'm um conscious that it's 4 33

[4:04:47] Voice 15: Mayor Mrakas, 33 and we have to literally be done in 10 minutes and then we're not going to get to the groundwater sustainability implementation project, which is very.

[4:04:55] Voice 17: Mayor Mrakas,

[4:04:55] Voice 15: Well, we got 10 minutes, how are we.

[4:05:01] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, Pardon.

[4:05:02] Voice 16: Mayor Mrakas, Okay,

[4:05:04] Voice 16: well.

[4:05:06] Voice 15: Mayor Mrakas, I I we could do that the rest of the agenda is just our business and then the the warm.

[4:05:17] Voice 15: and that's it you want to try and address it briefly i

[4:05:21] Voice 17: was excited to see what was okay

[4:05:25] Voice 13: uh who's presenting that let's it's on page 123 of the staff of the agenda package uh i don't know

[4:05:33] Voice 13: it's i think uh oh we have both marissa chadwick and william schultz i'm sorry you won't know this

[4:05:39] Voice 13: interested but we uh we have a deadline of 4 45.

[4:05:44] Voice 15: are you presenting this uh

[4:05:47] Voice 1: well william's going

[4:05:48] Voice 1: to do the majority of it um i'm i'm basically just uh introducing the the recommendations

[4:05:54] Voice 1: um so william's going to go to to provide the the methodology upon which we have determined

[4:06:00] Voice 1: or we we would like we would we the methodology we identified to determine the groundwater recharge

[4:06:07] Voice 1: charge protection development permit area boundaries and so our recommendation one is

[4:06:13] Voice 1: is to for the LTC to endorse that methodology so William will walk you through that and then

[4:06:21] Voice 1: the second recommendation is related to that methodology there is a suggestion as William

[4:06:27] Voice 1: will indicate and you'll you'll if you've read the methodology you understand where we're coming

[4:06:31] Voice 1: from um that staff are recommending uh a 10 hectare coverage of lot area and uh i will leave

[4:06:41] Voice 1: it to william to um go through the uh the details on that well okay

[4:06:46] Voice 13: and i want to be fair to william

[4:06:47] Voice 13: because he's been here for a long time as william can you do that literally in 10 minutes nope

[4:07:07] Voice 15: I

[4:07:07] Voice 13: don't want to shortchange you I don't know how many questions we'll have it's up it's entirely

[4:07:12] Voice 13: up to you if you want to defer

[4:07:14] Voice 15: this but it's not up to you it's up

[4:07:16] Voice 9: to the LTC so I can go

[4:07:22] Voice 9: go through it um i don't think this is the best venue to do that right because it'd be nice to

[4:07:28] Voice 9: share screens and do that whole jive or be in person but let's just i'll i'll give the

[4:07:34] Voice 9: cold notes let's just do that and then i because i really want to hear from the trustees as much as

[4:07:39] Voice 9: i'm going to just present my methodology here so um let's just go for it um so this uh methodology

[4:07:50] Voice 9: The methodology is based on the groundwater recharge potential mapping that GW Solutions

[4:07:59] Voice 9: undertook a few years ago.

[4:08:02] Voice 9: To be clear, this does not involve the groundwater budgets or the groundwater availability assessments

[4:08:11] Voice 9: we called it, or even groundwater regions for that matter, this is strictly related

[4:08:18] Voice 9: to groundwater recharge potential.

[4:08:22] Voice 9: And I guess it goes without saying

[4:08:25] Voice 9: that the initiative to protect groundwater recharge

[4:08:30] Voice 9: is twofold, to protect the water resources

[4:08:35] Voice 9: that support the community of Galliano

[4:08:38] Voice 9: through extraction from groundwater wells.

[4:08:41] Voice 9: But also it does also attempt to protect the ecosystems

[4:08:45] Voice 9: systems, which rely on groundwater. And there are many groundwater-dependent ecosystems on

[4:08:52] Voice 9: Galliano that are in areas of population and areas that aren't in population.

[4:08:59] Voice 9: Also, groundwater on Galliano is quite unique that it's quite a basin. So once the

[4:09:07] Voice 9: groundwater recharges from the surface into the ground, it gets dispersed in a very unique way.

[4:09:15] Voice 9: It travels along the structure of the island, and groundwater, when it gets into the fractured bedrock aquifer, can be transported in very different ways along the axis of the island and then obviously direct to the sea.

[4:09:34] Voice 9: So that being said, I'll just jump into methodology.

[4:09:39] Voice 9: So in Figure 1, if you're looking at the report here, I just presented the groundwater recharge potential that was developed with GW Solutions in concert with myself and other staff at the Islands Trust.

[4:09:53] Voice 9: With a co-op student, we helped develop the precipitation interception potential, which defined the role of ecosystems in recharge potential.

[4:10:06] Voice 9: potential and so from there the recharge potential was then classified into a essentially like a high

[4:10:16] Voice 9: and really high and everything else and then the high and really high recharge potential was

[4:10:24] Voice 9: was the focus of developing the DPA and so for for kind of just a nerdier stats thing out there

[4:10:33] Voice 9: is that the high and very high were determined by standard deviation away from the mean, and so it

[4:10:38] Voice 9: is that the mean of each high and very high were one and then two standard deviations greater than

[4:10:46] Voice 9: the mean. So the majority of groundwater potential was actually left behind in this, and what I

[4:10:54] Voice 9: focused on was the the significant groundwater recharge potential and so that that analysis

[4:11:06] Voice 9: resulted in figure five which is what I have called the critical aquifer recharge areas and

[4:11:13] Voice 9: that term was taken from the department of ecology from the state of Washington in which they went

[4:11:20] Voice 9: through a multi-year approach to determine their aquifer recharge areas that were critical to

[4:11:26] Voice 9: the ecosystems as well as the communities there. And going from the recharge work that GW Solutions

[4:11:35] Voice 9: did to something usable was a technical challenge because of the nature of the work that they did

[4:11:41] Voice 9: was more a like a spatial like basically gridded the island and then so the resulting data from GW

[4:11:51] Voice 9: Solutions was a really raw gridded thing and so I tried to then take it and I put it through

[4:11:57] Voice 9: a methodology and put on a smoothing factor to kind of align more with what it would actually

[4:12:04] Voice 9: be on the ground rather than seeing pixels everywhere on a map um so from from that

[4:12:12] Voice 9: methodology um i determined um how how much area each parcel on galliano island has of the

[4:12:24] Voice 9: critical aquifer recharge area so essentially each each property on galliano was was put into

[4:12:33] Voice 9: the methodology and what resulted was four options for the ltc to consider for development permit

[4:12:43] Voice 9: area boundaries and this is a unique development permit area approach where instead of um

[4:12:51] Voice 9: defining the the dpa around like polygons of recharge like in other areas of of of the

[4:12:59] Voice 9: the Island Trust area there are development primaries that say based on steep slopes where

[4:13:04] Voice 9: the steep slopes are actually like development primary this is a different approach where

[4:13:09] Voice 9: the DPAs is drawn around boundaries of properties and so the four options that the LTC is presented

[4:13:20] Voice 9: presented here from staff is that a parcel containing two hectares of the critical aqua

[4:13:29] Voice 9: recharge or five hectares or 10 hectares or 20 hectares is the options.

[4:13:37] Voice 9: So that being said, that if say the LTC chooses to use the 10 hectare critical aqua recharge

[4:13:47] Voice 9: charge per parcel that means that there will not be a property that would be in a dpa that would be

[4:13:56] Voice 9: of a size less than 10 hectares and many properties don't are not 100 covered by by the

[4:14:07] Voice 9: credit clock for recharge um especially at that size um there are smaller residential properties

[4:14:15] Voice 9: that are 100% covered by aquifer recharge

[4:14:19] Voice 9: and those properties may be less than two hectares.

[4:14:23] Voice 9: So that, I mean, that's like kind of too.

[4:14:30] Voice 9: So yeah, I think, I'm not sure.

[4:14:34] Voice 9: This is a very difficult to squeeze

[4:14:36] Voice 13: this

[4:14:36] Voice 9: like multi-year project into 15 minutes.

[4:14:40] Voice 13: Well, you know,

[4:14:41] Voice 13: and I don't

[4:14:42] Voice 15: want you to feel like that.

[4:14:45] Voice 15: So, and I appreciate that it is a multi-year project

[4:14:48] Voice 15: and I appreciate that you brought the methodology there.

[4:14:50] Voice 15: I don't know that it is there to try and summarize,

[4:14:55] Voice 15: although we've read your staff report.

[4:14:57] Voice 15: So, but I don't want you to feel like you're a B.

[4:15:02] Voice 9: Well, I mean, it's really up to the LTC

[4:15:05] Voice 9: on how they want to approach this.

[4:15:07] Voice 9: I am, now that this is in front of the LTC,

[4:15:10] Voice 9: this is staff's best presentation of the work

[4:15:13] Voice 9: and of the dpa um i'm open to receiving questions either in a formal way through resolution or an

[4:15:21] Voice 9: informal way from the trustees individually um i believe this could be a special meeting that we

[4:15:28] Voice 9: can uh go through just an online only so i can then i wouldn't want to say community information

[4:15:35] Voice 9: meeting at this time but maybe a special meeting of the ltc just to discuss this i'm not sure that's

[4:15:41] Voice 9: more of a planner question and i imagine that planner chadwick can have more information on that

[4:15:45] Voice 9: yeah yeah because we're we're at a time and i imagine the ltc has questions

[4:15:54] Voice 4: so the recommendations in the agenda package are to endorse the methodology and then

[4:16:01] Voice 4: to request the staff to draft

[4:16:03] Voice 2: the bylaw which then we would bring to the public and have

[4:16:09] Voice 2: community information

[4:16:10] Voice 17: meeting and public hearing um i

[4:16:13] Voice 2: just want to in case people haven't read

[4:16:14] Voice 2: that

[4:16:15] Voice 17: part of the agenda i just want to so uh inform people those are the steps um

[4:16:21] Voice 2: and i also

[4:16:21] Voice 2: wanted to say how much i appreciated this this project having taken place over the past four

[4:16:26] Voice 2: years and how you know our uh we don't have

[4:16:30] Voice 4: protection for our critical groundwater recharge

[4:16:33] Voice 4: and um i really was excited to read this report it was something

[4:16:37] Voice 17: i think we've heard a lot about

[4:16:39] Voice 17: groundwater today and a lot of concerns about groundwater over the past four years and this

[4:16:44] Voice 17: is just a really timely so

[4:16:47] Voice 15: i have i have two questions but i'll trust you one is one is um

[4:16:53] Voice 15: i'll comment one is i

[4:16:56] Voice 13: had a comment in a break that somebody said that if you restrict it to

[4:17:00] Voice 13: 10 acres and larger you're basically only catching the the lots that are his own forest and not

[4:17:05] Voice 13: catching

[4:17:06] Voice 15: anything else and i don't know if that was taken into account with the recommendation

[4:17:10] Voice 15: of 10 acres but i see there's only 62 lots that would be included in there is that that and and

[4:17:17] Voice 15: but that was the intention is you didn't want to take it down to a smaller scale

[4:17:22] Voice 9: well there there is the option for the ltc to consider like the two hectare option which would

[4:17:29] Voice 9: would capture 87 percent of the identified critical lack for recharge that would be parcels

[4:17:35] Voice 9: affected would be 182. the 10-hectare option is parcels affected is 62 and that's two-thirds of

[4:17:41] Voice 9: that area protected um so you know it's up to the ltc to balance on on how much impact the dpa will

[4:17:51] Voice 9: have on on the residents uh indeed these numbers also include parkland also include natural areas

[4:18:00] Voice 9: is that are that will likely not be included in the dpa in the end so what this is a this is

[4:18:07] Voice 9: strictly the scientific methodology um i will work with planning staff to then re like make it into a

[4:18:16] Voice 9: dpa which would then re effectively remove like the the lands owned by the like the federal

[4:18:24] Voice 9: government or crown land i don't ownership is a weird thing but um those those parcels that

[4:18:30] Voice 9: wouldn't be involved in the dpa so then i'm their type of conservation and and and restrictions are

[4:18:40] Voice 9: different than what the dpa is but effectively i would still consider those lands protected of

[4:18:45] Voice 9: recharge because they're stewarded in in a good way to protect the forest so um so those parcels

[4:18:54] Voice 9: affected would be a lot less uh well not i wouldn't say a lot but less than what i have here

[4:18:59] Voice 9: this is this is inclusive of all ownership of the island so

[4:19:04] Voice 15: my other comment simply is i do think

[4:19:07] Voice 15: that it would be useful to have a some sort of a session where the community can see all of this

[4:19:13] Voice 15: work and ask questions etc i mean you'll get there eventually with the cim but i don't know anyway

[4:19:19] Voice 15: over you trustees what do you think yeah

[4:19:20] Voice 2: no i was going to say i mean it's i think um to have a

[4:19:25] Voice 4: presentation to the community with with the maps you know all around and where people can look at

[4:19:32] Voice 4: what the impact would be if you go to 5 or 10 or 20. i mean it it seems to me that we want to

[4:19:40] Voice 4: to go lower than than higher if we really want to protect the recharge and that you know I mean

[4:19:52] Voice 4: as we have talked I mean water is you know it's a huge it's a huge thing and I mean when we hear

[4:20:01] Voice 4: about Gabriela importing you know nine billion liters of water a year what

[4:20:08] Voice 2: I'm wondering is

[4:20:09] Voice 2: um so you're thinking about doing a separate from a cim situation i don't

[4:20:16] Voice 15: know i mean i don't know

[4:20:18] Voice 15: i

[4:20:18] Voice 2: was just curious because how do we gain public

[4:20:20] Voice 17: information like they can see the options but

[4:20:23] Voice 17: perhaps we should endorse or draft something to show the public correct um just because otherwise

[4:20:31] Voice 17: but i think

[4:20:33] Voice 15: it would be useful to have an early cim

[4:20:35] Voice 17: yeah i

[4:20:36] Voice 15: just think that you know you're

[4:20:38] Voice 15: to be producing a new concept in the island potentially and it's it's going to impact

[4:20:44] Voice 15: some landowners because there's going to be a new dpa although there are a number of them but a new

[4:20:48] Voice 15: dpa out of the island potentially and it would be good to have a community conversation beyond just

[4:20:54] Voice 15: the folks that come to our local trust committee meetings or watch them so that they can understand

[4:20:59] Voice 15: how that will impact yeah

[4:21:01] Voice 2: i agree so perhaps if we moved one of these or if i made

[4:21:05] Voice 17: a motion or

[4:21:06] Voice 17: whatever to the two hectare option then people could see the most extreme

[4:21:11] Voice 14: version and then at

[4:21:13] Voice 14: an early cim and then we could receive feedback based on that hi

[4:21:17] Voice 15: chadwick how do you feel about

[4:21:19] Voice 15: or mr shilva how do you feel about that thought um

[4:21:27] Voice 1: so if i'm hearing correctly you're suggesting

[4:21:29] Voice 1: an early cim i think that's great that's a great idea um um so we would have to um you know we're

[4:21:37] Voice 1: going to obviously identify a a date and time um and and i think i think i also heard that you you

[4:21:44] Voice 1: you're wanting us to look at the two two hectare option which we certainly can we can we can sort

[4:21:49] Voice 1: of um we can we can work with sort of the you know the the top three two five and ten options and

[4:21:58] Voice 1: identify what that would look like uh in terms of boundaries if that's of interest yeah

[4:22:03] Voice 13: so then why

[4:22:04] Voice 13: Why don't we see if we can get a motion.

[4:22:07] Voice 13: Do you want to make the first motion, Jim?

[4:22:08] Voice 2: Yep.

[4:22:09] Voice 2: I move that the Gallant Island Local Census Committee endorse the methodology to determine groundwater recharge

[4:22:13] Voice 14: protection development permit areas boundaries as presented at the June 6, 2022 LTC meeting.

[4:22:19] Voice 15: Is there a seconder?

[4:22:19] Voice 15: Is there any discussion related to that?

[4:22:22] Voice 15: It's all called vote.

[4:22:23] Voice 15: All in favor, so that passes.

[4:22:25] Voice 15: So now the proposal is to ask them based on, and then you would just add two, five, and 10.

[4:22:32] Voice 15: Five and 10.

[4:22:33] Voice 16: Okay.

[4:22:33] Voice 15: okay so it's the motion that's there just add the words two five from the number two five and ten are

[4:22:38] Voice 15: you going to make that motion i'll

[4:22:39] Voice 14: move with that gallon on local trust committee request

[4:22:41] Voice 14: data from food and drug bylaw number two eight three you said

[4:22:44] Voice 2: that it's galliano island official

[4:22:45] Voice 2: community number one 2022 a map of the groundwater return protection development area manageries

[4:22:54] Voice 4: based on two five and ten hectares of water so

[4:22:58] Voice 15: william i'm sorry i know it must have felt like

[4:23:06] Voice 15: but we'll have lots of opportunities we'll have some opportunity uh to continue to discuss this

[4:23:13] Voice 15: but uh you've got your two motions to keep working on this this way so thank you for all of you

[4:23:18] Voice 15: yeah thank

[4:23:19] Voice 9: you chair i actually am lamenting not being there today

[4:23:23] Voice 9: Dave, the hybrid model of these meetings

[4:23:26] Voice 9: is extremely difficult for those joining,

[4:23:29] Voice 9: as you heard from some residents as well as staff.

[4:23:32] Voice 9: So I

[4:23:33] Voice 9: would consider if we're going to have

[4:23:34] Voice 9: a community information meeting

[4:23:35] Voice 9: and if the LTC would like it in person,

[4:23:37] Voice 9: we either do it full in person or full on Zoom

[4:23:40] Voice 9: and we should choose one of those.

[4:23:43] Voice 13: Okay, thank you.

[4:23:44] Voice 13: Yeah, well, we'll see about, yeah.

[4:23:48] Voice 13: Okay, thanks very much.

[4:23:50] Voice 13: And people are leaving

[4:23:52] Voice 15: as we thought.

[4:23:53] Voice 15: uh we're we're getting close i'm going to suggest that all of the reports we can simply

[4:23:58] Voice 15: receive there's no changes there's no new business and our next meeting is scheduled for july 4th

[4:24:06] Voice 15: here um and uh we will um um i think have our regular business meeting and also uh i think

[4:24:16] Voice 15: we're tentatively planning you won't notice that in the evening we have a special meeting for the

[4:24:23] Voice 15: for the bigger yeah um i know you have to go so um can

[4:24:28] Voice 2: you carry on anymore

[4:24:29] Voice 2: well i

[4:24:30] Voice 15: have to get to the ferry too but what time is the very end what time is my period 5 45. so i

[4:24:36] Voice 15: think we could probably carry on for say 10 minutes in a very very very

[4:24:41] Voice 15: brief town hall if

[4:24:42] Voice 15: anybody to say anything um we're going to lose trustee wolverton but we'll carry on for 10

[4:24:48] Voice 15: minutes in a very brief second down hall so

[4:24:51] Voice 13: uh and let trustee wolverton go in case anybody

[4:24:55] Voice 13: wishes to say anything but once she's gone i apologize

[4:25:00] Voice 4: i have a no

[4:25:02] Voice 15: we'll see i

[4:25:03] Voice 4: have to be in

[4:25:04] Voice 4: town and unfortunately all right

[4:25:12] Voice 13: so does anybody wish to let the trustee see it well i'll see you

[4:25:17] Voice 15: oh

[4:25:17] Voice 16: right

[4:25:21] Voice 15: she yeah it's carla's putting her car

[4:25:24] Voice 15: so

[4:25:24] Voice 16: i

[4:25:26] Voice 15: think she's okay she's got an insight

[4:25:29] Voice 15: um anybody wish to speak to the trust a little bit trust me yes

[4:25:41] Voice 6: In your base of your knowledge, can you guarantee that the Gingham project will have deep subsidy?

[4:25:53] Voice 4: Generally, when affordable products are tied into private funding, deep subsidy is included.

[4:26:02] Voice 6: The same question for you.

[4:26:05] Voice 13: And what's the

[4:26:05] Voice 6: question? Can I

[4:26:06] Voice 13: guarantee what the rent structure?

[4:26:08] Voice 13: Yes,

[4:26:08] Voice 6: you know, this is about the government structure.

[4:26:11] Voice 6: Is it to your best of your knowledge,

[4:26:14] Voice 6: can you guarantee that the GIGR project will have deep subsidy units?

[4:26:22] Voice 13: Guarantee?

[4:26:23] Voice 6: Yes, guarantee.

[4:26:24] Voice 6: No,

[4:26:24] Voice 13: I'm not going to guarantee that the GIGRs will have the funding,

[4:26:28] Voice 13: they'll provide the, they get funding,

[4:26:31] Voice 13: we have our restrictions that are contained in our housing

[4:26:37] Voice 15: premiums, so no.

[4:26:38] Voice 14: when you

[4:26:38] Voice 15: say guarantee i'm going because i don't know who their funder is going to deal with the

[4:26:43] Voice 15: structure

[4:26:43] Voice 12: when

[4:26:44] Voice 4: affordable housing projects are funded by provincial institutions generally they

[4:26:53] Voice 4: have to be okay

[4:26:54] Voice 15: thanks very much who else wish to speak to the trustee sq

[4:26:59] Voice 15: you um this is concerning again the cell tower and sorry the driver's application to put an antenna

[4:27:09] Voice 15: on the crest and previously it was clear that the

[4:27:17] Voice 11: crest tower does not repeat does not serve

[4:27:21] Voice 11: galleon well because of all the dead spots in and on the island both

[4:27:28] Voice 15: the crest signal and cell phone

[4:27:30] Voice 15: signals work in the same way so putting another cell tower on

[4:27:35] Voice 10: the crest tower will not i repeat

[4:27:39] Voice 10: will not improve the crest or any

[4:27:43] Voice 11: service anywhere there's a crest dropout there will be a cell phone

[4:27:47] Voice 11: drop down

[4:27:48] Voice 17: they say that in the letter so

[4:27:51] Voice 11: for the purposes of benefiting the island or the

[4:27:55] Voice 11: emergency

[4:27:55] Voice 10: services this application is not helpful

[4:28:00] Voice 17: don't think it's an application it's not no

[4:28:03] Voice 15: there you go uh this interest in a tower a cell cell power is not the best yeah go ahead

[4:28:15] Voice 15: sorry are we done yes thanks over there thanks um the letter from rogers the last one is

[4:28:31] Voice 15: yes and i would suggest that if you are going to respond that you thank rogers for the

[4:28:39] Voice 15: ripple and tidbits of the information they are finally providing that they could have provided

[4:28:47] Voice 15: to the community last fall and that it uh the ltc would appreciate receiving far more information

[4:28:59] Voice 15: from rogers on this particular installation and would welcome any future dialogue

[4:29:09] Voice 15: for community information and consultation on any future uh additions to the their antenna systems

[4:29:22] Voice 13: can i ask you to send us a note and we'll put it on our agenda for july i would not want to make

[4:29:27] Voice 13: have that discussion without trustee wolverton i

[4:29:30] Voice 15: mean

[4:29:31] Voice 13: i we can but i'd rather not because she's

[4:29:34] Voice 15: the one that's been involved in conversations with you i get your point yes and i too was not

[4:29:40] Voice 15: happy that i wrote them in december and received a reply in april uh after they'd already done the

[4:29:45] Voice 15: work i didn't think it was very neighborly yeah i'll call it anybody else yes um

[4:29:53] Voice 12: the water concerns

[4:29:54] Voice 12: for the giggers proposal are very

[4:29:56] Voice 4: similar to crystal mountain will there be an

[4:30:00] Voice 4: water now and in the future for the development and for the neighborhood it

[4:30:06] Voice 14: worries me that i

[4:30:07] Voice 14: still don't see build-out yet to be realized after the

[4:30:12] Voice 4: proposal but i also find it interesting that

[4:30:16] Voice 4: the

[4:30:16] Voice 14: crystal mountain algorithm is willing to adjust the scale of their

[4:30:20] Voice 4: project to respond

[4:30:21] Voice 4: to the water in these neighborhoods yet figures have for the duration of their application

[4:30:27] Voice 4: we should record the trust

[4:30:28] Voice 2: um has declined a number of ways that the neighbors have proposed

[4:30:34] Voice 2: to relocate the

[4:30:35] Voice 4: project within the community for us so it is not right about the stragglers wells

[4:30:40] Voice 4: to reduce the number of units to what was originally proposed to employ more substantial

[4:30:46] Voice 4: water conservation infrastructure if this is a reasonable vision page for crystal mountain

[4:30:52] Voice 4: where far fewer people will be in full-time residence why is this

[4:30:57] Voice 4: not reasonable for the

[4:30:59] Voice 4: ignorance project cost has given us a reason at least for the request for additional water

[4:31:05] Voice 4: conservation measures i can understand this point given the

[4:31:10] Voice 4: very large off-site infrastructure costs

[4:31:14] Voice 2: that this

[4:31:14] Voice 2: particular site entails half a kilometer of road hydro and telecommunications development

[4:31:21] Voice 2: development among these it seems to me that

[4:31:24] Voice 4: the water sustainability reassurance for neighbors

[4:31:28] Voice 4: and the project both short and long term is being sacrificed due to the short-term cost issue of a

[4:31:37] Voice 4: problematic

[4:31:38] Voice 14: and unsuitable site a basic issue here that I think is really the elephant in the room

[4:31:49] Voice 15: anybody else well then i'll say thank you for

[4:31:58] Voice 13: we'll see

[4:31:58] Voice 15: you on july the 4th again thank you very much

[4:32:08] Voice 15: can i read your writing

[4:32:13] Voice 15: it's okay i will try

[4:32:14] Voice 15: i have the world i'm not being critical i have the world's worst

[4:32:22] Voice 15: yes

[4:32:22] Voice 13: i know you do but if i let you i have to let everybody else

[4:33:43] Voice 8: Thank you very much.