Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, June 14, 2022

[0:00:02] Trustee Luckham: We good? Okay. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:00:13] Trustee Luckham: regular meeting for Tuesday, June the 14th. That means we're on the other side of the

[0:00:20] Trustee Luckham: rest of the year. I don't know where the first part went.

[0:00:24] Voice 11: Yeah, that's right.

[0:00:24] Trustee Luckham: But anyway, it's a beautiful day here on Salt Spring Island in Coast Salish Territory. It's

[0:00:32] Trustee Luckham: It's an honor and privilege to be able to live and work here, it's a wonderful place

[0:00:37] Trustee Luckham: rich with history and culture, therefore the opportunity for us to learn about the people

[0:00:44] Trustee Luckham: of this coast since time immemorial.

[0:00:46] Trustee Luckham: I'm joined here today with the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee, we've got Laura Patrick,

[0:00:51] Trustee Luckham: locally elected, Peter Grove, locally elected.

[0:00:54] Trustee Luckham: We have a complement of staff here, Rob Pringle is looking after our technology, a minute

[0:00:59] Trustee Luckham: taking today thank you rob uh jordy gordon um here to assist us in planning and jason yeoman's

[0:01:07] Trustee Luckham: assisting us in planning and uh acting regional planning manager louisa garbo will be joining us

[0:01:13] Trustee Luckham: at 10 o'clock due to ferry travel and uh grateful to all of you for the work that you do in

[0:01:19] Trustee Luckham: supporting the community's uh planning and uses so i have an agenda before me um and i'll ask if

[0:01:29] Trustee Luckham: if there's any, there is one addendum at 14.5, which is a letter from Michael Krentz at Rogers

[0:01:36] Trustee Luckham: Communications dated June 7th. And we'll see that as when we get to correspondence. I'll ask if

[0:01:45] Trustee Luckham: there's anything else to add to the agenda. Laura Patrick.

[0:01:48] Voice 4: I was wondering if we should have an

[0:01:51] Voice 4: in-camera to discuss Board of Variants members.

[0:01:57] Trustee Luckham: Do we have Board of Variants applications or

[0:01:59] Trustee Luckham: membership or we

[0:02:03] Voice 8: did receive an application for the Board of Aarons yes

[0:02:05] Voice 11: there's

[0:02:06] Voice 8: no open position at the moment but I think there is a discussion to be

[0:02:11] Voice 8: had it could be done in camera yeah

[0:02:13] Voice 12: okay

[0:02:14] Voice 8: just as a matter of interest why does

[0:02:15] Voice 8: that need to be done in camera talking about people

[0:02:17] Trustee Grove: yeah

[0:02:18] Trustee Luckham: yeah so then we would

[0:02:21] Trustee Luckham: want to do that before the break if we can close meeting at section 10 we don't

[0:02:26] Trustee Luckham: have an agenda so can you look up what the citation is for that section so that

[0:02:33] Trustee Luckham: we can have a motion prepared perhaps email it or text it to trustee Patrick

[0:02:39] Trustee Luckham: and

[0:02:39] Voice 9: I have a little change so

[0:02:41] Trustee Luckham: I'm just gonna write this down okay and you still

[0:02:48] Trustee Luckham: have a change

[0:02:49] Voice 9: 17.3 you are going to postpone for until the next LTC at the

[0:02:54] Voice 9: the request of the applicant 15

[0:02:56] Trustee Luckham: 17.3 yeah oh i see um okay so um that was communicated to you

[0:03:07] Trustee Luckham: it was

[0:03:08] Voice 8: uh oh you have from him too yes he's requested actually the august 9th excuse me

[0:03:13] Voice 8: the august 9th meeting okay can't make the july meeting either

[0:03:17] Trustee Luckham: okay so then 17.3

[0:03:21] Trustee Luckham: salt spring rezoning 2021.3 chatman at 361 sunset drive uh will be deferred at the request of the

[0:03:30] Trustee Luckham: applicant until august 9th right just repeating that for the public's benefit um anything else

[0:03:37] Trustee Luckham: to add or remove from the agenda all right then so then i'll take it then the agenda be adopted

[0:03:43] Trustee Luckham: as amended and thank everybody for your work and diligence so the first item on our agenda is the

[0:03:51] Trustee Luckham: draft minutes of the salt spring local trust committee from may the 17th are there any changes

[0:03:55] Trustee Luckham: there no no all right so then we will receive that um or we'll adopt those minutes of may the 17th

[0:04:06] Trustee Luckham: as presented by general consent so i thank you for that resolution without meeting log dated

[0:04:13] Trustee Luckham: june 22nd that's there for receipt of information this is any concerns or questions so we'll just

[0:04:20] Trustee Luckham: received that information so we have a selection of minutes here from advisory planning commissions

[0:04:27] Trustee Luckham: and want to thank all of the advisory planning commissions for the work that they do in assisting

[0:04:33] Trustee Luckham: us in our work here very grateful for that community engagement and reflection so the

[0:04:41] Trustee Luckham: first one is draft minutes of may the 5th the advisory planning commission will receive that

[0:04:47] Trustee Luckham: for information that's all right and i just

[0:04:50] Trustee Grove: i just wish to note that i made their their uh

[0:04:53] Trustee Grove: motion uh with regard to uh recommending assaults behind the local trust committee proceed with five

[0:05:00] Trustee Grove: local bylaw 526 um subject to the restriction that housing only be used for farm workers being

[0:05:08] Trustee Grove: removed right

[0:05:10] Trustee Luckham: and that's kind of important that's not on our agenda today certainly when that is on

[0:05:15] Trustee Luckham: our next agenda we'll want to consider that because there may be some restrictions that

[0:05:22] Trustee Luckham: exist as a result of it being in the alr i assume staff would yeah pick that up in the staff report

[0:05:27] Trustee Luckham: i'm

[0:05:28] Trustee Grove: sure they will okay

[0:05:29] Trustee Luckham: so then uh agricultural advisory planning commission nothing today

[0:05:36] Trustee Luckham: um ganges village planning task force we have two sets of minutes one from uh may the fourth

[0:05:42] Trustee Luckham: and the second from the meeting of May the 19th and I'd suggest we receive

[0:05:46] Trustee Luckham: those for information any remarks I

[0:05:48] Voice 4: had a question I know maybe Jordi was in the

[0:05:52] Voice 4: meeting on page 21 of the agenda package item 4.1 which which one the May 4th the

[0:06:01] Voice 4: May 19th May 19th yeah

[0:06:02] Voice 4: draft area boundary was seen to have gaps for

[0:06:06] Voice 4: allowing the growth of Ganges specifically by excluding merchant use I

[0:06:10] Voice 4: I think

[0:06:12] Voice 1: I read that

[0:06:12] Voice 4: to say that by excluding the area of merchant use the

[0:06:17] Voice 4: boundary is not leaving room for growth. Is that, am I interpreting that correctly?

[0:06:26] Voice 4: I'm just trying to understand it.

[0:06:37] Voice 8: Yeah, so there was discussion around whether or

[0:06:40] Voice 8: not that area should be included in the boundary and there is differing opinion

[0:06:44] Voice 8: on whether or not.

[0:06:45] Voice 4: Sure there is, but I was just trying to, that statement was, I had to read it a few times to make

[0:06:49] Voice 4: sense of it, so okay.

[0:06:50] Voice 4: Okay, thank you.

[0:06:54] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then the minutes of May the 4th

[0:06:57] Trustee Luckham: and the May 19th to be received for information.

[0:07:00] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for that clarification.

[0:07:03] Trustee Luckham: Manager Gordon.

[0:07:05] Trustee Luckham: Housing Action Program Task Force minutes

[0:07:09] Trustee Luckham: of May the 5th and May the 18th.

[0:07:15] Trustee Luckham: We'll receive those for information.

[0:07:17] Trustee Luckham: So are there any questions or remarks?

[0:07:19] Trustee Luckham: No.

[0:07:19] Trustee Luckham: No, so again, thanks to all of those folks

[0:07:23] Trustee Luckham: doing all of that important work.

[0:07:27] Trustee Luckham: It's very much appreciated.

[0:07:28] Trustee Luckham: Local trust committee public hearing, nothing today.

[0:07:34] Trustee Luckham: Business arising from the minutes.

[0:07:37] Trustee Luckham: We have the follow-up action list

[0:07:42] Trustee Luckham: and presuming that that's up to date,

[0:07:44] Trustee Luckham: I'll ask trustees, do you have any questions

[0:07:46] Trustee Luckham: on any of the items on the follow-up action list?

[0:07:48] Trustee Grove: No,

[0:07:50] Trustee Luckham: so we'll receive that for information

[0:07:52] Trustee Luckham: as presented information thank you no community information meeting today no

[0:07:58] Trustee Luckham: public hearing today so we have a list of reports here policy and standing

[0:08:06] Trustee Luckham: resolutions list normally receive for information unless there's some desire

[0:08:10] Trustee Luckham: to make any changes so receive that for information our work program top

[0:08:16] Trustee Luckham: priorities report that's what we're working on any questions or Patrick you

[0:08:23] Voice 4: know I didn't meet with Louisa last week and we're just talking about totes hard

[0:08:28] Voice 4: to believe just with approving a budget seems like yesterday we got to start

[0:08:32] Voice 4: talking about the next budget so I was encouraging you that we should probably

[0:08:37] Voice 4: think having a good discussion direction for budget planning for next year good

[0:08:43] Trustee Grove: plan okay

[0:08:47] Trustee Luckham: so projects list that's what's on our long list of activities any remarks no so receive

[0:08:59] Trustee Luckham: that for information applications with the status report uh june 20th 2022 um assuming that it's up

[0:09:08] Trustee Luckham: to date um obviously the one item here at uh which we deferred to august 9th is on that list um

[0:09:18] Trustee Luckham: Anything else? Any questions on the applications and status report?

[0:09:22] Trustee Luckham: No.

[0:09:23] Trustee Luckham: No? Excellent.

[0:09:26] Trustee Luckham: Expense report dated March 2022.

[0:09:29] Trustee Luckham: That's there for our information.

[0:09:32] Trustee Luckham: Any questions?

[0:09:33] Trustee Grove: I'm surprised that we're still looking at March.

[0:09:36] Trustee Grove: I would have thought we'd be looking at April month in by now.

[0:09:40] Trustee Grove: Well,

[0:09:41] Trustee Luckham: I think there's staffing shortages and audit functions and budget have probably

[0:09:49] Trustee Luckham: interfered with that process, but we'll get those in due course, I think.

[0:09:53] Trustee Luckham: Laura?

[0:09:53] Voice 4: You should have received the April reports have been emailed, so we

[0:09:58] Voice 4: do have them.

[0:09:59] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, they're not.

[0:10:00] Voice 8: It came out probably

[0:10:01] Voice 4: after the publication.

[0:10:02] Voice 4: Precisely.

[0:10:03] Voice 8: I see Rob

[0:10:03] Voice 4: shaking his head yes.

[0:10:05] Voice 8: Precisely.

[0:10:06] Voice 8: That was my point.

[0:10:09] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:10:09] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:10:11] Trustee Luckham: Island Trust Conservancy board meeting, nothing in the package today to report however I will

[0:10:20] Trustee Luckham: report that next month the Island Trust Conservancy and the Executive Committee will be having

[0:10:28] Trustee Luckham: their annual meeting to talk about working together and looking forward to that and I

[0:10:34] Trustee Luckham: want to acknowledge and thank the work of that team on the Island Trust that does the

[0:10:40] Trustee Luckham: the real conservation and protection of properties.

[0:10:46] Trustee Luckham: So 7.7, Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance

[0:10:49] Trustee Luckham: coordinates report nothing here today on the agenda.

[0:10:53] Trustee Luckham: Did you have a verbal report of any kind, Trustee Patrick?

[0:10:58] Voice 4: No, I guess we could have asked maybe,

[0:11:04] Voice 4: I don't mean to catch him off the hook,

[0:11:08] Voice 4: but just maybe we haven't had a meeting,

[0:11:11] Voice 4: but maybe we could ask Planner Yeomans

[0:11:13] Voice 4: to give us the status of the planning work that's been started didn't ask for

[0:11:18] Voice 4: that priorities but that might be useful to hear sorry so

[0:11:24] Trustee Luckham: can you do that yes I

[0:11:27] Trustee Luckham: gave you the right to say no all

[0:11:29] Voice 13: right in terms of the intersection of SWPA's

[0:11:38] Voice 13: work program and LTC planning work there are probably two projects that should be

[0:11:44] Voice 13: highlighted one is the west and lake water availability and climate change assessment

[0:11:49] Voice 13: this is work that is being funded through some unspent special property tax requisition funds

[0:11:54] Voice 13: that the ltc has directed in that that project but the project itself is being managed by the crd

[0:12:00] Voice 13: the work is being undertaken by gw solutions we've now had this will be i believe the third draft of

[0:12:08] Voice 13: the report that staff have have received and are just fine-tuning it or working with GW to

[0:12:14] Voice 13: fine-tune it to ensure that it achieves the deliverables that would be of most benefit

[0:12:19] Voice 13: to the LTC and to the CRD for future decision making so hoping to bring that to you at the July

[0:12:28] Voice 13: meeting I'd like to see it and then the second project is the water stewardship and protection

[0:12:37] Voice 13: plan that the LTC is funding again through unspent special property tax

[0:12:42] Voice 13: requisition funds from previous years the contract has been awarded to econics

[0:12:46] Voice 13: services we have had one meeting of the working group that conics has assembled

[0:12:53] Voice 13: to help guide this project and so that's a working group made up of agency staff

[0:12:57] Voice 13: who will be sort of helping develop an implementable plan and the focus of this

[0:13:04] Voice 13: this exercise is really to develop a plan

[0:13:08] Voice 13: that has the buy-in of all of the agencies

[0:13:11] Voice 13: that actually have some jurisdiction

[0:13:13] Voice 13: over freshwater stewardship and protection.

[0:13:16] Voice 13: And I think, my hope is that we will get there.

[0:13:20] Voice 13: We were intending, so the working group met in May.

[0:13:25] Voice 13: We were going to meet in June,

[0:13:27] Voice 13: but I asked that that meeting be put on hold

[0:13:29] Voice 13: because we're really still trying to determine

[0:13:33] Voice 13: how best to incorporate or understand how First Nations or Indigenous people

[0:13:39] Voice 13: might want to be engaged in this project. Basically we don't want to do this

[0:13:44] Voice 13: project in isolation from them and then come up with a plan and have them say

[0:13:48] Voice 13: well, you know, that's not our plan. Still trying to work through that in the

[0:13:54] Voice 13: absence of a senior intergovernmental policy advisor at the moment. So I

[0:14:00] Voice 13: I actually have a meeting later this week with Claire Freider and with the CAO, sort

[0:14:05] Voice 13: of discuss how to do this because the LTC may recall that the Islands Trust Freshwater

[0:14:11] Voice 13: Sustainability Strategy, which the organization adopted earlier this year, makes some strong

[0:14:18] Voice 13: commitments.

[0:14:19] Voice 13: I mean, as the organization has already made some strong commitments to reconciliation,

[0:14:22] Voice 13: but again, the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy sort of doubles down on that language of ensuring

[0:14:26] Voice 13: that water policy decisions include First Nations considerations in their

[0:14:33] Voice 13: development and so I've had some preliminary conversations with some of

[0:14:37] Voice 13: the nations nothing concrete is emerged from it so we're just trying to figure

[0:14:42] Voice 13: out how to make something called a firm path very

[0:14:49] Voice 4: good thank you any questions

[0:14:51] Voice 4: I just wanted to thank Planner Yeomans and I know I'm I'm challenging

[0:14:56] Voice 4: challenging him with this with this plan and the consultant but I really saw

[0:15:01] Voice 4: us that this plan is the idea is to really be a plan that for multiple

[0:15:05] Voice 4: agencies and that First Nations engagement is a commitment of all of

[0:15:14] Voice 4: these agencies and that it's to our benefit to cooperate in our engagement

[0:15:19] Voice 4: because a project may have that we're doing has similarities to what the CRD

[0:15:24] Voice 4: are doing so do we both go engage or do we engage together so we sort of saw

[0:15:29] Voice 4: this plan as an opportunity to be a step in our progression and to work this out so it's

[0:15:38] Voice 4: kind of exciting in some ways because

[0:15:41] Voice 4: we're dealing with areas that haven't been done

[0:15:42] Voice 4: before and I'm really hoping that this plan will set us on a good strong path going forward

[0:15:49] Voice 4: at least in the near term as we continue to evolve our relationships.

[0:15:52] Voice 4: good

[0:15:53] Voice 13: that the the governance aspect of the plan is is sort of turning into the

[0:16:02] Voice 13: thrust of the plan you know as the consultant keeps on reminding us the the

[0:16:08] Voice 13: development of the actual projects or actions required to to better steward

[0:16:14] Voice 13: our watersheds in our groundwater like that's almost I mean we've had numerous

[0:16:18] Voice 13: exercises on the island about that over the decades like we already know

[0:16:23] Voice 13: essentially how to protect the watersheds it's how to develop that

[0:16:27] Voice 13: agency commitment an agency buy-in to to actually take those actions in it in a

[0:16:33] Voice 13: predictable fashion as well right over a number of years okay good thank you

[0:16:42] Trustee Luckham: so

[0:16:48] Trustee Luckham: Ganges village planning task force we don't have the chair here today and I

[0:16:53] Trustee Luckham: I don't believe that they're coming online to us today.

[0:16:57] Trustee Luckham: We've certainly got the minutes

[0:16:59] Trustee Luckham: of their most recent meetings,

[0:17:01] Trustee Luckham: which is there for our consideration.

[0:17:05] Trustee Luckham: Housing action, our program task force,

[0:17:07] Trustee Luckham: the same thing, not here today.

[0:17:09] Trustee Luckham: And again, we have the minutes

[0:17:11] Trustee Luckham: from their previous meetings to reflect on.

[0:17:14] Trustee Luckham: So all that's good.

[0:17:17] Trustee Luckham: So local trust committee projects

[0:17:19] Trustee Luckham: is nothing on our agenda for today.

[0:17:22] Trustee Luckham: of the business nothing at this time and so this brings us to the closed meeting

[0:17:29] Trustee Luckham: section of our agenda and did you manage to get a motion to trustee Patrick or do

[0:17:36] Trustee Luckham: you have something to us on the screen

[0:17:39] Voice 8: email but it's not quite there yet so I

[0:17:54] Trustee Grove: move the salt sriana local trust committee close this meeting to the

[0:17:57] Trustee Grove: public subject to community charter section 91.

[0:18:02] Trustee Luckham: So moved. Oh, 91A.

[0:18:06] Trustee Grove: 91A, but that is a different,

[0:18:09] Trustee Grove: oh yeah, I guess it is. 91A, personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is

[0:18:16] Trustee Grove: being considered for a position as an officer, employee, or agent of the municipality or another

[0:18:21] Trustee Grove: position appointed by the municipality.

[0:18:25] Trustee Luckham: So let's move to add a seconder. Trustee Patrick, thank you.

[0:18:30] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[0:18:31] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[0:18:32] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[0:18:34] Trustee Luckham: I was just, for the public's benefit,

[0:18:36] Trustee Luckham: was just reflecting on whether there's any other business

[0:18:38] Trustee Luckham: we might conduct when we return from in-camera

[0:18:41] Trustee Luckham: because we're quite early,

[0:18:43] Trustee Luckham: but I don't really see anything that I would want to conduct

[0:18:47] Trustee Luckham: outside of a public meeting or after this closed meeting.

[0:18:52] Trustee Luckham: And so then we will be returning at noon.

[0:18:56] Trustee Luckham: can

[0:18:56] Trustee Grove: we do our trustee report well

[0:18:59] Trustee Luckham: the idea of the trustee report is to report to the public

[0:19:02] Trustee Luckham: yes well

[0:19:02] Trustee Luckham: they are anticipating us being here at noon okay um if you yeah it's up to you if people

[0:19:10] Trustee Luckham: show up they may not be happy if we did that but obviously it's being recorded and people would

[0:19:14] Trustee Luckham: have the ability to see that so i might as well wait it's not going to save

[0:19:19] Voice 15: us a lot of time

[0:19:19] Voice 15: wait yeah okay

[0:19:21] Trustee Luckham: so then we'll just recess and uh enjoy some sunshine and come back at noon

[0:19:25] Trustee Luckham: so then um thank everybody for joining us for the morning and uh as short as this maxine especially

[0:19:32] Trustee Luckham: having made the journey here and um we'll be we'll be going to in-camera recessing until noon and

[0:19:38] Trustee Luckham: then returning with trustee reports applications and correspondence um so stop or

[0:19:45] Voice 4: she could just

[0:19:46] Voice 4: report to us yeah

[0:19:48] Trustee Luckham: I'll just make a note of that when we reopen the motion to

[0:20:03] Trustee Luckham: open the meeting good morning just bear with us a moment I move

[0:20:17] Voice 5: that the

[0:20:30] Trustee Grove: Salisbury and I local trust committee reopened this meeting to the public

[0:20:32] Trustee Grove: subject to section 89 of the community charter.

[0:20:35] Trustee Luckham: Moved and seconded.

[0:20:38] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion? All those in favor?

[0:20:40] Trustee Luckham: So we're now back in an open agenda.

[0:20:44] Trustee Luckham: And make apologies for those that are unable to attend this section.

[0:20:50] Trustee Luckham: We did indicate that we were going to recess until noon

[0:20:53] Trustee Luckham: because we were quicker through the agenda than anticipated.

[0:20:56] Trustee Luckham: participated, but Jenny MacLean, Chair of the Ganges Village Task Force has joined us

[0:21:04] Trustee Luckham: and so we're going to hear from her and of course that will be streamed and recorded

[0:21:10] Trustee Luckham: and members of the public can see her remarks through the recording process.

[0:21:17] Trustee Luckham: So just a little apology there, but Jenny MacLean, over to you, Chair of the Ganges

[0:21:23] Trustee Luckham: Ganges Village Task Force.

[0:21:26] Trustee Grove: If I may, before Jenny starts,

[0:21:27] Trustee Grove: bearing in mind that there is no

[0:21:29] Trustee Grove: memory for the public and the live streaming will be

[0:21:31] Trustee Grove: important, is Jenny going to be on the

[0:21:33] Trustee Grove: screen?

[0:21:33] Trustee Luckham: She can be heard.

[0:21:34] Trustee Grove: Well, she wouldn't have normally

[0:21:35] Trustee Luckham: been on the screen. Okay.

[0:21:37] Trustee Luckham: She can be heard.

[0:21:39] Trustee Luckham: Speakers are amazing.

[0:21:41] Voice 1: That's good.

[0:21:43] Voice 1: So my role in coming to these

[0:21:45] Voice 1: Island Trust meetings, these LTC meetings,

[0:21:47] Voice 1: has been to

[0:21:49] Voice 1: give a report on

[0:21:50] Voice 1: the meetings that we've had in the

[0:21:53] Voice 1: ganges village action plan task force and so i will try to start with that we have one more

[0:22:02] Voice 1: meeting before we're going into an adjournment and that meeting will be in two days on june

[0:22:07] Voice 1: the 16th and we're going to work with the material that we have from the weekend workshop that was at

[0:22:15] Voice 1: the end of march 2022 where we spent quite a bit of time with uh facilitated by heaney studios to

[0:22:25] Voice 1: determine some basic things about ganges like we worked with maps and vision statement and also

[0:22:34] Voice 1: just the different kind of uh aspects of ganges the elements of ganges and so then we were to

[0:22:44] Voice 1: to have a time to be able to talk as a group

[0:22:48] Voice 1: about our feelings about what would be needed

[0:22:52] Voice 1: for gaps within the overall vision or body of work.

[0:22:58] Voice 1: And that's what we're gonna do on the 16th

[0:23:00] Voice 1: in the morning there at the basement of the Baptist church.

[0:23:04] Voice 1: And I think that I came to understand

[0:23:08] Voice 1: the meetings were adjourned for further consultations

[0:23:12] Voice 1: with indigenous peoples which is quite good and a good idea and I will say that

[0:23:19] Voice 1: I really enjoyed being in this task force and it's been really positive and

[0:23:24] Voice 1: it's also always good when you have something that is a democracy brought

[0:23:30] Voice 1: into a local level with you know members of the public who have really diverse

[0:23:34] Voice 1: opinions and they're able to come together in one room and there's a lot

[0:23:39] Voice 1: to Ganges and there's been a lot of work that's been done through this task force

[0:23:45] Voice 1: and it's really an amazing body of work and it will become a reference for a lot

[0:23:52] Voice 1: of things in the future and I certainly hope that the consultation goes well and

[0:23:58] Voice 1: I look forward to finding out what's around the corner with everything so

[0:24:01] Voice 1: that's that's really what I have to report right now okay

[0:24:04] Trustee Luckham: yeah thank you

[0:24:05] Trustee Luckham: very much for coming and

[0:24:06] Trustee Luckham: and we received the minutes earlier and want to thank you and your

[0:24:11] Trustee Luckham: team for this community service thank you oh thank you yeah i

[0:24:17] Voice 4: really want to thank you jenny and i

[0:24:18] Voice 4: think before your meeting wraps up i would hope that you guys could uh brainstorm for five minutes

[0:24:25] Voice 4: or something about you know when it starts up what does good look like or something of that nature so

[0:24:30] Voice 15: that

[0:24:30] Voice 4: we have that feedback everybody the end of the day we want a plan that works

[0:24:39] Voice 4: for Ganges and there's a good plan for Ganges so I really thank you yes I'd

[0:24:44] Trustee Grove: echo that thank you very much so remind me what is that what is the schedule you

[0:24:49] Trustee Grove: see when it starts up again what's happening well

[0:24:51] Voice 1: my opinion or what I came

[0:24:53] Voice 1: to understand because I I know that we're not going to be meeting for an

[0:24:59] Voice 1: an indefinite period of time after june 16th and we might not meet again as the same group and so

[0:25:07] Voice 1: then that's what i'm thinking when i say when it starts if it starts i'm not quite sure what the

[0:25:11] Voice 1: future is because it's all not known to me but um there it is something that what i came to

[0:25:20] Voice 1: have an opinion of from being in the task force is that there is a need for a group of people

[0:25:28] Voice 1: who are speaking about

[0:25:31] Voice 1: Ganges and not

[0:25:33] Voice 1: just the groups that we already have

[0:25:35] Voice 1: who speak about Ganges but

[0:25:37] Voice 1: this kind of

[0:25:38] Voice 1: format where you have people

[0:25:40] Voice 1: coming in from

[0:25:42] Voice 1: all different visions

[0:25:44] Voice 1: like you know in that group we have

[0:25:46] Voice 1: say you might have a person who

[0:25:49] Voice 1: believes that there could be

[0:25:51] Voice 1: possibly absolutely no cars in

[0:25:53] Voice 1: Ganges whatsoever

[0:25:54] Voice 1: and then you even

[0:25:57] Voice 1: have a group on this island who do work toward that idea but then there's other people might say

[0:26:03] Voice 1: what about if you have say a problem and you can't even walk to the store you need

[0:26:08] Voice 1: access and there's so that's just one thing out of a hundred of topics that affect ganges and then

[0:26:15] Voice 1: you know you're looking at what do people see when they come in on on a boat how is their perception

[0:26:21] Voice 1: of ganges how about all these people who are unhoused who need services in ganges so you're

[0:26:27] Voice 1: looking at this place that's trying to meet all these needs and then it is so important it's vital

[0:26:33] Voice 1: to everybody on salt springs so then the amount of opinions about it is varied as the people who

[0:26:40] Voice 1: use the the town center because if you know you see two people using that town they're not alike

[0:26:47] Voice 1: like to each other in any way they might not even have any common ground but to actually try this

[0:26:51] Voice 1: ambitious project to try to bring this together and to to meet these changing needs because the

[0:26:56] Voice 1: the thing that was noted is that the needs for people in salt spring have changed over the years

[0:27:01] Voice 1: which is i believe one of the reasons why we we were involved in this process to see what goes on

[0:27:07] Voice 1: for the future like and then there's also um some very important things about the the new

[0:27:17] Voice 1: legislations around the indigenous piece and all that too and then i'm really glad that this was

[0:27:23] Voice 1: something that the island stress was doing because it's very thoughtful and i don't know what's what's

[0:27:29] Voice 1: next you know because i'm just receiving information that i get from where i'm at here

[0:27:35] Voice 1: as a member of the public but that would be known beyond what we know because probably has to do with

[0:27:41] Voice 1: a lot more consultations with other entities and then we find out whether or not we ever meet up

[0:27:47] Voice 1: again after june 16th so that's my thing thank

[0:27:50] Trustee Grove: you so much yeah

[0:27:50] Voice 1: well thank you yeah take care

[0:27:52] Trustee Luckham: jenny yeah there

[0:27:54] Voice 4: you go well we're in break now

[0:27:56] Trustee Luckham: okay so let's recess until noon and uh thank

[0:28:00] Trustee Luckham: everybody for joining us and thank you jenny yeah and uh we'll continue on with uh reporting

[0:28:05] Trustee Luckham: correspondence and applications at noon

[0:28:08] Voice 5: thank

[0:28:10] Trustee Luckham: you the

[0:28:17] Voice 16: meeting is being recorded it is being

[0:28:21] Voice 16: live streaming

[0:28:23] Trustee Luckham: welcome and welcome back um to the salt spring island local trust committee of

[0:28:30] Trustee Luckham: of June the 14th, and my name is Peter Luckham.

[0:28:36] Trustee Luckham: I'm elected on Cedis Island in L'Aix

[0:28:38] Trustee Luckham: and in Connecticut Territory, and of course,

[0:28:41] Trustee Luckham: we're all here meeting in Coast Salish Territory,

[0:28:45] Trustee Luckham: and it's a pleasure and an honor

[0:28:46] Trustee Luckham: to be able to live and work here.

[0:28:48] Trustee Luckham: This is an incredibly culturally rich, historic place,

[0:28:53] Trustee Luckham: which opportunity to learn about First Nations

[0:28:55] Trustee Luckham: is in front of us every day and encourage everybody

[0:28:58] Trustee Luckham: to learn about the people that have been here since time immemorial and it's an

[0:29:03] Trustee Luckham: honor for me to be here in your community at Salt Spring Island in order

[0:29:07] Trustee Luckham: to help facilitate the business of the local trust committee. Joined by of

[0:29:12] Trustee Luckham: course today is your local trustees Laura Patrick and Peter

[0:29:17] Trustee Luckham: Grove. I'm also

[0:29:18] Trustee Luckham: joined by Director Gary Holman of the CRD. Thank you for joining us and we've got

[0:29:24] Trustee Luckham: We've got Phil Testimel recording our minutes and making sure the technology, sorry, Rob Pringle doing minutes and looking after the technology for us today. Thank you, Rob. Sorry about that.

[0:29:36] Trustee Luckham: And we've got Geordie Gordon, planner, and we've got Louisa Garbo, regional planner, acting regional planning manager. And online, we will be joined by Phil Testimel at the appropriate time.

[0:29:46] Trustee Luckham: So welcome to the folks in the audience. And thank you. So we're going to, we've done a little bit of business this morning, mostly receiving reports and the like. Nothing too serious to report out.

[0:30:00] Trustee Luckham: this morning's work um you can follow it on the electronic recordings and minutes uh later on so

[0:30:07] Trustee Luckham: at the moment we're going to go to uh reporting out from the trustees and the regional director

[0:30:12] Trustee Luckham: and then we'll do um correspondence and um and applications just letting you know that uh rogers

[0:30:20] Trustee Luckham: michael krentz rogers has withdrawn his request as a delegation and so that is not going to happen

[0:30:28] Trustee Luckham: today. I will report out a conversation I've had with him when I get to my section of the report.

[0:30:38] Trustee Luckham: Hopefully that's satisfactory to everybody. So let us begin. Trustees, who would like to go first?

[0:30:44] Trustee Grove: I believe it's my turn, Chair. So I will lead the pack at this moment anyway. So as much to

[0:30:51] Trustee Grove: my astonishment um find ourselves in the last quarter of this term this term has lasted 11

[0:30:58] Trustee Grove: years for me um and uh so it's um there's still a lot to be done um and uh hopefully we can do

[0:31:08] Trustee Grove: some useful work between now and our last ltc which is scheduled i believe for october the 21st

[0:31:15] Trustee Grove: um we have huge challenges as a community and um as uh as as members of our province and our

[0:31:24] Trustee Grove: country and our world for that matter um the challenges uh relating to climate change and

[0:31:30] Trustee Grove: to population issues housing in particular and um how it's all going to unfold yet to be seen

[0:31:39] Trustee Grove: and I am hopeful that sound minds and good spirits and positive people will lead us

[0:31:48] Trustee Grove: strongly and well. So what's been going on here, we're preparing for Trust Council,

[0:31:55] Trustee Grove: which takes place on October the 21st and October the 23rd. That will be a virtual meeting,

[0:32:04] Trustee Grove: which we've got spoiled by having an in-person meeting last time in Victoria. It's

[0:32:11] Trustee Grove: We're back to Zoom.

[0:32:15] Trustee Grove: There's some great stuff happening, mainly under the direction of Director Gary Holmes,

[0:32:23] Trustee Grove: in terms of the Rainbow Road developments and the fire hall developments.

[0:32:28] Trustee Grove: I'm very excited about that.

[0:32:29] Trustee Grove: I'm hoping that the community will step up to the plate and support these excellent projects.

[0:32:35] Trustee Grove: projects here and now we are facing some our own staff challenges on Salt Spring as everybody

[0:32:49] Trustee Grove: seems to be the hospital the seniors residences there are serious challenges in terms of housing

[0:32:59] Trustee Grove: housing, which are being addressed, hopefully as quickly as possible.

[0:33:05] Trustee Grove: And again, where this is all going, I'm not quite sure.

[0:33:10] Trustee Grove: And I have serious concerns.

[0:33:14] Trustee Grove: So I'm hoping that somebody will step up to the plate to run for trust in the next term.

[0:33:22] Trustee Grove: And I haven't heard any rumors yet, or who that might be.

[0:33:26] Trustee Grove: it's a very challenging and a very rewarding position so i hope i hope we'll get some

[0:33:34] Trustee Grove: interesting applicants and i look forward to um assisting in any way i can thank you chair

[0:33:40] Trustee Grove: thank you hello

[0:33:41] Voice 12: patrick i

[0:33:45] Voice 4: always find it's interesting when we have our conversations

[0:33:47] Voice 4: about affordable housing and housing matter of fact we get lots of emails like saying

[0:33:55] Voice 4: limits to growth being ignored. I'd encourage people to take a ride down Old Scott Point Road,

[0:34:02] Voice 4: which I really think should be renamed New Scott Point Road. Gone are all the little cabins and the

[0:34:08] Voice 4: bungalows and you'll find construction site after construction site of large single-family homes

[0:34:14] Voice 4: being built. So that's our existing bylaws allowing this growth, which I would call it, to occur.

[0:34:26] Voice 4: And it's our own bylaws favor the single-family homes with seasonal cottages.

[0:34:32] Voice 4: Well, what's a seasonal cottage?

[0:34:34] Voice 4: I mean, it's always good to go back into our bylaws and read the definitions.

[0:34:37] Voice 4: Seasonal cottages can't be more than 56 square meters, and it is occupied or intended to

[0:34:46] Voice 4: be occupied on a temporary basis by a person or persons having a permanent domicile elsewhere

[0:34:52] Voice 4: and using the cottage primarily in conjunction with recreation.

[0:34:57] Voice 4: And temporary is defined as can't be used for more than 45 days in a calendar year, or not more than 30 days, which are consecutive.

[0:35:06] Voice 4: To me, that sounds more like a short-term vacation rental.

[0:35:10] Voice 4: So we're allowing large single-family homes and short-term vacation rentals.

[0:35:15] Voice 4: So I really encourage people to be open-minded to the accessory dwelling unit bylaw that we're looking at.

[0:35:21] Voice 4: We want feedback. We want to make this bylaw work.

[0:35:23] Voice 4: work we want these extra units around someone's property to be directed toward full-time rental

[0:35:31] Voice 4: i think it's a better use for our island um um and i know that a lot of you think i just

[0:35:47] Voice 4: natter on about housing instead of protecting the environment but i can't separate the two

[0:35:52] Voice 4: it's housing that's hurting the environment and it's you know single family homes that are

[0:35:59] Voice 4: sprawled across the island and tearing down these little old cottages and replacing them with big

[0:36:04] Voice 4: large homes so we our housing project here on the island is about looking at housing in its totality

[0:36:11] Voice 4: how where and why we're building houses and what we can do to improve those land use bylaws to make

[0:36:17] Voice 4: sure we aren't harming the environment or for people who call this island their home we need

[0:36:24] Voice 4: a healthy community to have a healthy environment in the past month i've attended lots of meetings

[0:36:32] Voice 4: as usual the executive committee which is that the trust council committee has met twice primarily

[0:36:39] Voice 4: preparing for the trust council meeting coming up here in june uh the trust council regional

[0:36:44] Voice 4: planning committee which i sit on has been working away on best management practices for

[0:36:50] Voice 4: or local planning services.

[0:36:52] Voice 4: I'm pushing for this to be,

[0:36:56] Voice 4: to really put more emphasis on project definition

[0:37:00] Voice 4: and project implementation phases as well.

[0:37:04] Voice 4: That's really important to me.

[0:37:06] Voice 4: And also about really leaning into the working

[0:37:10] Voice 4: in cooperation with part of our mandate.

[0:37:14] Voice 4: The financial planning committee also met,

[0:37:17] Voice 4: which this gentleman has been chair of for two terms.

[0:37:22] Voice 4: One of the key things we talked about in the last meeting was about surveying practices.

[0:37:27] Voice 4: We send out a survey during the budget system cycle, but many other jurisdictions send out

[0:37:34] Voice 4: a community survey about this time of year to inform the budget development process and

[0:37:40] Voice 4: strategic planning exercises, then do a budget survey after the

[0:37:45] Voice 4: budget's done to see, did

[0:37:46] Voice 4: we end up with a budget that meets the expectations?

[0:37:48] Voice 4: So we talked a lot about that, of how we can change and get better at getting that input in.

[0:37:54] Voice 4: I chaired the North Pender, Saturna, and Liskiti local trust committees.

[0:37:59] Voice 4: This was my first trip to Liskiti.

[0:38:01] Voice 4: Peter had been the former chair of Retraded.

[0:38:03] Voice 4: I gave him South Pender, which he's probably not happy about, and I have Liskiti.

[0:38:09] Voice 4: It was a fabulous trip going out there and visiting the island and getting to know the people that are there.

[0:38:18] Voice 4: uh the north pender local trust committee has been doing a land use bylaw review project and

[0:38:22] Voice 4: gave first reading at their last meeting so that project is carrying on we we uh the local trust

[0:38:29] Voice 4: committee uh gary's and ourselves met with minister fleming minister of transportation

[0:38:34] Voice 4: and infrastructure it was a good meeting i can't say we got exactly what we wanted but we started

[0:38:39] Voice 4: the conversation about doing my personal push planning in the southern gulf islands uh in

[0:38:47] Voice 4: in cooperation with the Transportation Ministry.

[0:38:51] Voice 4: The Executive Committee met with Minister Cullen,

[0:38:53] Voice 4: who's our Minister of Municipal Affairs.

[0:38:56] Voice 4: The minister did express some interest

[0:38:58] Voice 4: in Ganges Village, potentially making it a planning project

[0:39:05] Voice 4: for cooperative planning with First Nations.

[0:39:07] Voice 4: So I hope he remembers he expressed that interest.

[0:39:12] Voice 4: Transition Salt Spring shared some

[0:39:14] Voice 4: of their initial observations

[0:39:15] Voice 4: from the Mount Maxwell Watershed Study Area.

[0:39:19] Voice 4: And they're finding that the road is a major contributor

[0:39:23] Voice 4: to sedimentation in the Lake Mount Maxwell Lake.

[0:39:29] Voice 4: You'll see more of that project in that work.

[0:39:32] Voice 4: That project is coordinated

[0:39:33] Voice 4: with our wildfire resiliency work that we're doing

[0:39:36] Voice 4: and looking forward to a workshop in the fall

[0:39:39] Voice 4: on management practices for wildfire resiliency.

[0:39:43] Voice 4: And that's my report.

[0:39:45] Voice 5: Thank

[0:39:46] Trustee Luckham: you, Laura. So from my more global perspective, activities that have been undertaken, Laura, as an executive committee team member mentioned a couple of them, but I'll just make my own remarks.

[0:40:03] Trustee Luckham: But certainly as we're preparing for council, which is coming up June 21, 22, 23, we've met with financial planning committee, regional planning committee, previously known as local planning committee and trust and trust program committee to advance the work associated with the policy statement with the regional planning strategy.

[0:40:29] Trustee Luckham: And of course, preparing for the next financial cycle through FPC and reporting out on our financial situation, of which Peter Grove was the chair of that committee.

[0:40:43] Trustee Luckham: And it all looks pretty good.

[0:40:45] Trustee Luckham: Indeed, Laura mentioned that we met with Rob Fleming, Minister of Transportation.

[0:40:50] Trustee Luckham: That was on behalf of Salt Spring Island from a letter from this committee wishing to talk

[0:40:57] Trustee Luckham: about ferry congestion, the Salt Spring Sailor's Seat Trail, and also the absence of Salt Spring

[0:41:05] Trustee Luckham: Island, the Gulf Islands, in the South Island transportation strategy.

[0:41:09] Trustee Luckham: And that was a good conversation.

[0:41:11] Trustee Luckham: There was some sharing of thoughts and ideas.

[0:41:14] Trustee Luckham: And certainly, we hope that some consideration will be given to the ferry terminal.

[0:41:20] Trustee Luckham: situation there and it's complex of course long-standing issue but i think public safety

[0:41:26] Trustee Luckham: and access to the communities at the ferry terminals is important and um and the work

[0:41:33] Trustee Luckham: on the trail is important also um indeed executive committee has met twice in this time uh to conduct

[0:41:40] Trustee Luckham: normal referral business and uh also preparing for trust council um and indeed thank you uh

[0:41:47] Trustee Luckham: uh Laura for South Pender um it has its joys I've been a chair there before so it's actually nice to

[0:41:53] Trustee Luckham: be back with people that I know in that community and um and uh learn about what's going on there

[0:41:59] Trustee Luckham: we'll share stories at some point um so uh yesterday oh so I should just say Minister

[0:42:07] Trustee Luckham: Cullen indeed um that's our minister uh met with him emphasizing the necessity for a much closer

[0:42:14] Trustee Luckham: relationship with that ministry than we've had in the past, particularly in the significant

[0:42:20] Trustee Luckham: things that are going on within the Islands Trust, reflecting upon the last 50 years,

[0:42:25] Trustee Luckham: really, which include the policy statement and our governance review and a potential

[0:42:33] Trustee Luckham: request to the minister for a review of the Islands Trust more extensively.

[0:42:40] Trustee Luckham: And so that was a good meeting.

[0:42:42] Trustee Luckham: certainly understood some of our issues and concerns, and was very supportive, as Laura has

[0:42:48] Trustee Luckham: mentioned, with respect to our First Nations engagement. Sometimes we feel like we're a little

[0:42:53] Trustee Luckham: alone, but certainly we've had understanding from the Minister of Indigenous Relations

[0:42:59] Trustee Luckham: and support from there, and Minister Cullen certainly showed signs of support and was

[0:43:05] Trustee Luckham: interested in our ideas and suggestions about working collaboratively with First Nations,

[0:43:11] Trustee Luckham: particularly in the Ganges Village, but broadly across the Island Trust area,

[0:43:14] Trustee Luckham: because, of course, the Ganges Village is a significant historical site.

[0:43:19] Trustee Luckham: And so we'll see how that all plays out.

[0:43:25] Trustee Luckham: I think that's all I'll say about that.

[0:43:27] Trustee Luckham: Except there was a commitment to meet more regularly with the new term coming up,

[0:43:32] Trustee Luckham: post-elections, to meet more regularly with the Island Trust,

[0:43:36] Trustee Luckham: and there's potential that the minister may even attend a council meeting.

[0:43:39] Trustee Luckham: and that would be terrific even in this term if there was an opportunity to for him to do that

[0:43:44] Trustee Luckham: to answer some questions to provide some idea of the ministry's thinking uh yesterday was the

[0:43:51] Trustee Luckham: southern gulf islands uh forum um which was a discussion about business licensing on on

[0:43:57] Trustee Luckham: potential just a topic of discussion nothing serious happening there but a discussion on that

[0:44:04] Trustee Luckham: And, of course, all of that revolves around housing and the shortage of housing and the type of housing, particularly short-term vacation rentals, that sort of thing.

[0:44:14] Trustee Luckham: And then the other big topic is, of course, the anchorage file, which you're familiar with the vessels that anchor out here.

[0:44:21] Trustee Luckham: And we've certainly seen a lot more of those in recent years.

[0:44:24] Trustee Luckham: And there is a meeting planned in July to try and gather all the people at the table to be able to advance this issue as a front to the federal government and the provincial government to achieve some relief.

[0:44:46] Trustee Luckham: Relief is, I think, probably the only thing I can think of.

[0:44:48] Trustee Luckham: It's going to be difficult to ban or restrict these vessels from anchoring, but certainly we want to see a much better managed, safe method of conducting that activity, which we feel is inappropriate in the Salish Sea, and recognize the economic impact to the country, of course, and the benefits to the country.

[0:45:10] Trustee Luckham: And I also like to say that the Salish Sea is of serious importance to the country as well.

[0:45:16] Trustee Luckham: and that seems to be forgotten often so um i did want to just make a remark

[0:45:22] Trustee Luckham: um along the way here um because um rogers has uh not going to be a delegate today i did have

[0:45:30] Trustee Luckham: a conversation with them and and just the day before yesterday perhaps it was yesterday um

[0:45:37] Trustee Luckham: um lots going on it's hard to remember what day of the week it is sometimes um but essentially

[0:45:44] Trustee Luckham: essentially driving home the message that was in our letter to them three months, four months ago,

[0:45:53] Trustee Luckham: that they needed to meet with the Channel Ridge residents, and they needed to address their

[0:45:58] Trustee Luckham: concerns, and they needed to explain the process that they've gone through, so that we can come

[0:46:04] Trustee Luckham: to a better understanding of where we're at.

[0:46:05] Trustee Grove: Before they start construction. Absolutely,

[0:46:07] Trustee Luckham: Absolutely. Yeah. And so they have committed to me to do that. And that will probably happen at the end of June.

[0:46:17] Trustee Luckham: They wanted to do it sooner than that, but I suggested it would be bad timing because we've got our council in the third week of June.

[0:46:24] Trustee Luckham: So likely the fourth week of June, first week of July, the latest I imagine, they will be reaching out to the folks, particularly in the channel ridges of focus, to have a conversation about this.

[0:46:38] Trustee Luckham: So I have offered to attend that meeting as an observer, so I can see the conversation and hear the concerns from everybody.

[0:46:46] Trustee Luckham: And of course, trustees would also be welcome. We have to be careful about not having a meeting, but we can certainly observe.

[0:46:54] Trustee Luckham: So, and of course Gary you'd be welcome to attend as well, but that's the only thing I have to report on that little bit of an explanation for why Rogers is not here.

[0:47:04] Trustee Luckham: They came to realize that that this wasn't necessarily a good format for them, and that that they needed to honor our, our, our request that consultation happen.

[0:47:18] Trustee Luckham: happen. And in fact, I have also spoken with ITSD with respect to the letter that they sent us.

[0:47:24] Trustee Luckham: And they have indicated that there's absolutely no reason why Rogers can't do that. They didn't

[0:47:30] Trustee Luckham: say they shouldn't, they should do that. But because it's up to Rogers to decide to do that.

[0:47:35] Trustee Luckham: But they thought that it was also a good idea. So that will happen.

[0:47:39] Trustee Luckham: That's it for me. I'm going to go to the regional director.

[0:47:42] Trustee Luckham: Mr.

[0:47:42] Voice 4: Chair, you didn't mention when the public, the town hall is for Trust Council.

[0:47:49] Trustee Luckham: A town hall is Tuesday, June the 21st in the evening at six o'clock, seven o'clock.

[0:47:59] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. So please join us for that. Join us for Council. It's always interesting from my perspective anyway.

[0:48:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for that reminder.

[0:48:08] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[0:48:10] Voice 22: Thanks, Peter. Just to pick up on Laura's comments

[0:48:17] Voice 5: about development

[0:48:18] Voice 22: in Salisbury, I requested data from CRD building inspection for the three years 2019 to 22.

[0:48:28] Voice 22: There were 185 permits taken out over that period.

[0:48:33] Voice 22: period, 78 of those were multifamily, so that's Sultman Commons and Crofton Brook, and 107

[0:48:42] Voice 22: were single family, and of the single family, almost three quarters were under 2,500 square

[0:48:54] Voice 22: So the majority of how that's still a pretty big house in today's today, particularly so so most of the most housing is either multi family or single family less than

[0:49:14] Voice 22: under 2500 square feet i do want to

[0:49:16] Voice 1: try and get more data going

[0:49:17] Voice 22: back historically and we need to

[0:49:19] Voice 22: we should be tracking it going forward so it's here that used to uh used to publish that data

[0:49:26] Voice 22: as a matter of course uh we'll hopefully get that done going forward um just an update on the local

[0:49:34] Voice 22: community commission um with the basic idea there is that it would broaden uh elected

[0:49:41] Voice 22: elected to the representation. So instead of just like a director, you would like the

[0:49:48] Voice 22: director plus the legislation provides for either for six or four. So you would you would

[0:49:56] Voice 22: on for serious issues, local taxation, local issues, you'd be dealing with an elected body

[0:50:06] Voice 22: akin to a council, but there's no changes in jurisdiction. Islas Trust still does,

[0:50:12] Voice 22: as with incorporation for example, Islas Trust still responsible for land use,

[0:50:17] Voice 22: MOT roads, we don't take over policing, so it's just within the CRP

[0:50:23] Voice 22: purview that it brought this representation within that. So that would be going to referendum on

[0:50:30] Voice 22: october 15th which is the election day and that that means that the incremental class of the

[0:50:36] Voice 22: referendum because you're having to hire returning officers etc the cost would be the additional cost

[0:50:42] Voice 22: if this were um tagging it onto the uh election the bylaws will be given through readings by the

[0:50:53] Voice 22: city board july 13th uh that's the latest thing uh that security staff are telling us that they

[0:51:00] Voice 22: can have the bylaws um approved in principle in order to get ready for the referendum so that's

[0:51:07] Voice 22: three readings but it's subject to voter approval so voters say no the issue goes away if voters

[0:51:13] Voice 22: say yes there would have to be then an election in 2023 for those four commissioners who will have

[0:51:20] Voice 22: elected the director in october of this year if voters say yes to the lcc there would have to be

[0:51:27] Voice 22: a subsequent election in 2023 and we'll have to put dollars aside in the student budget and that

[0:51:32] Voice 22: will be um uh presented in the series provisional budget that gets approved in the fall this year

[0:51:39] Voice 22: to account for those costs in 2023 uh but again if voters say no on the 15th then the final budget

[0:51:47] Voice 22: an approval for this in march of 2023 and those costs will be taken out um i did appoint an

[0:51:54] Voice 22: advisory committee to review the bylaws which would be happening the week of june 20th and

[0:52:00] Voice 22: they'll be sitting down with series staff and providing recommendations to series staff about

[0:52:06] Voice 22: the bylaws uh the key issue will be the degree of authority that's delegated to an lcc in my view uh

[0:52:14] Voice 22: The simplest way of explaining that is that they would have the authority that the director now has, which can be a bit fuzzy, but believe me, the director has quite a bit of authority that's exercised quite often behind the scenes.

[0:52:31] Voice 22: For example, community works funding, and the other issue I want to talk about today was the million-dollar gas tax that Syria has committed, subject to a yes vote for the fire hall referendum.

[0:52:43] Voice 22: That decision was made in negotiation with the fire trustees who are also

[0:52:48] Voice 22: elected officials, but basically you've got one elected official on the seniority side making those kinds of decisions.

[0:52:55] Voice 22: We had an SEC that would be subject to a majority vote at the SEC, which would include the director.

[0:53:02] Voice 22: So the idea is to broaden decision making and also do that.

[0:53:06] Voice 22: the decisions now that were made more or less to a degree behind the scenes would be brought out

[0:53:14] Voice 1: into

[0:53:14] Voice 22: regularly scheduled public meetings just like the local trustee meeting has and debated

[0:53:19] Voice 22: in a in regularly scheduled public meetings it also allows for the consolidation of existing

[0:53:26] Voice 22: senior commissions we've got four island-wide commissions so they oversee any services that

[0:53:32] Voice 22: could be consolidated under this elected body so instead of staff supporting four separate

[0:53:39] Voice 22: appointed commissions they would be supporting one local community commission um that would be

[0:53:47] Voice 22: overseeing all those services so that's that's the basic idea voters are going to have uh three

[0:53:54] Voice 22: months to review the bylaws and make a decision about whether they support them uh it'll also be

[0:54:00] Voice 22: election issue whoever is running for the crd will be supporting or not the bylaws so there'll

[0:54:05] Voice 22: be lots of opportunity to review them and to uh to decide whether you think it's a step forward

[0:54:12] Voice 22: in improving performance in my view i strongly advocate this it's a way of broadening representation

[0:54:18] Voice 22: consolidating some of the silos bringing the decision making out into the open more for crd

[0:54:26] Voice 22: without having to take on uh huge liabilities of 265 kilometers per hour for example so it has some

[0:54:35] Voice 22: of the benefits of corporation without uh what some of you outside on the fire hall um referendum

[0:54:45] Voice 22: uh the deadline i if you're a property owner you will have received your mail ballots in the mail

[0:54:51] Voice 22: the deadline is june 30th please make sure whether you vote yes or no and i strongly urge you to vote

[0:54:58] Voice 22: yes we need to get a new fire hall built on salisbury and this is the best chance we've

[0:55:04] Voice 22: ever had of doing that and i'll go into a couple of reasons why but make sure when you submit your

[0:55:10] Voice 22: ballot that it's witnessed uh and also that the box you put a check mark or an x that don't fill

[0:55:19] Voice 22: fill in the box in the north

[0:55:20] Voice 22: salt spring elections recently there were 95 ballots that were disqualified

[0:55:25] Voice 22: because they weren't witnessed or because there was the wrong mark in the box so please vote for

[0:55:31] Voice 22: sure and i would urge you to support the fire hall of the crd has been working in collaboration

[0:55:39] Voice 22: with the fire district so that's resulted in an arrangement where the fire district would receive

[0:55:46] Voice 22: a million dollars in gas tax funding to bring down the cost to voters of the new fire hall.

[0:55:54] Voice 22: That's, of course, subject to ESCO. Also, part of that arrangement is the fire district,

[0:56:00] Voice 22: acting in the published interest, has agreed to transfer the Angie's Fire Hall to the COD

[0:56:06] Voice 22: after four years. They will use it for four years because they're going to need to still

[0:56:11] Voice 22: they'll occupy that building, it'll take that long

[0:56:13] Voice 22: to get the new building ready for occupancy.

[0:56:17] Voice 22: So they'll have free use of that building for four years.

[0:56:20] Voice 22: They'll also have the right to construct

[0:56:24] Voice 22: 30,000 gallon water storage on the site

[0:56:27] Voice 22: to help the firefighting downtown.

[0:56:30] Voice 22: And that will be at no extra cost to local taxpayers.

[0:56:35] Voice 22: In fact, the gas tax funding is federal funding

[0:56:40] Voice 22: that's transferred to local governments not local taxation and so the fire

[0:56:45] Voice 22: district is achieving

[0:56:47] Voice 22: its its uh revenue

[0:56:50] Voice 22: goal that would otherwise get by selling the property privately plus for

[0:56:55] Voice 22: using the property um both sides believe that they're getting a fair market value perhaps even

[0:57:02] Voice 22: more than fair market value and part of the package that's being negotiated to local government

[0:57:08] Voice 22: organizations working in the public interest together, the community will retain the fire

[0:57:14] Voice 22: hall property in Benjings. The ideal usage of that property, in my view, would be to repurpose

[0:57:25] Voice 22: the fire hall for a year-round food market, but there is no commitment

[0:57:30] Voice 5: to that at this point. We

[0:57:32] Voice 5: have four years

[0:57:33] Voice 22: to assess the building. If you repurpose the building, you have to bring it up

[0:57:37] Voice 22: the building code, which could be a quite

[0:57:39] Voice 22: inexpensive proposition. It may

[0:57:41] Voice 22: not be viable. It may be that what

[0:57:43] Voice 22: CRD is acquiring as a result

[0:57:45] Voice 22: of this deal is a bear law,

[0:57:47] Voice 22: in which case we could expand

[0:57:49] Voice 22: the Saturday March and the food markets,

[0:57:51] Voice 22: which are oversubscribed

[0:57:53] Voice 22: with the local. But the bottom

[0:57:55] Voice 22: line is it's a

[0:57:57] Voice 22: key property in the center of the

[0:57:59] Voice 22: village that we're

[0:58:01] Voice 22: getting without additional

[0:58:03] Voice 22: tax costs

[0:58:04] Voice 22: to local taxpayers. So

[0:58:06] Voice 22: So for both of those reasons, I urge you to vote yes on the fire hall referendum.

[0:58:13] Voice 22: Just make sure your ballots are filled out properly, whether you're voting yes or no.

[0:58:17] Voice 22: And just a couple of other things.

[0:58:20] Voice 22: Parks and Rec now approved the Rainbow Road master plan.

[0:58:24] Voice 22: A couple of significant developments there would be over time, longer term, we would relocate the tennis courts in Hobart Park to Rainbow Road.

[0:58:33] Voice 22: There's enough room there.

[0:58:34] Voice 22: there, that would free up Portlock Park to actually build ball fields, which Parks and Rec has been

[0:58:40] Voice 22: trying to accomplish for years and years, but have not been successful. They tried to acquire,

[0:58:48] Voice 22: well, for example, there was a proposal for a different

[0:58:51] Voice 5: area,

[0:58:52] Voice 22: and the Land Commission

[0:58:53] Voice 22: projected that. So this will allow Parks and Rec to proceed and get those ball fields,

[0:59:01] Voice 22: to be a long-time objective on their own lands.

[0:59:05] Voice 22: And the other major decision made by the Parks and Rec Commission

[0:59:12] Voice 22: at this point is to retain and build a new maintenance facility,

[0:59:19] Voice 22: which is also greatly needed on the Kanaka Road properties

[0:59:24] Voice 22: rather than relocating to Rainbow Road,

[0:59:26] Voice 22: which means there's more land available at rainbow road for recreation facilities uh the middle

[0:59:32] Voice 22: school parks and rec is um finalizing the lease for the 25 000 square feet of school and and the

[0:59:42] Voice 22: um and and then that the there'll be a range a number of non-profit organizations that will be

[0:59:50] Voice 22: renting space at the middle school. We've increased local taxes in order to subsidize

[0:59:56] Voice 22: those rents, so it's going to be very affordable.

[1:00:00] Voice 22: a great opportunity again working with another local government organization our school district

[1:00:05] Voice 22: school district also transferred to cb people recall five years ago property donated that

[1:00:12] Voice 22: property for affordable housing and there'll be 28 units of supported housing being built this fall

[1:00:17] Voice 22: just on on that matter uh the hospital foundation uh is not willing to extend the east house

[1:00:25] Voice 22: see bruise beyond june 30th which means there's going to be a period of time between the end of

[1:00:35] Voice 22: june and when the new supported housing facility gets built between those tenants are going to be

[1:00:40] Voice 22: looking for accommodation dc housing is committed and peter has had some discussions with them as

[1:00:47] Voice 22: well they are working on uh options and one in particular to temporarily house the seabreeze

[1:00:56] Voice 22: tenants until the support housing facility is up at least two of those tenants would be relocated

[1:01:02] Voice 22: to the crofting development as well which i believe is it's either occupied or close to

[1:01:10] Voice 22: And I think I mentioned before, the CRD Provisional Budget, this year will be approved by the

[1:01:18] Voice 22: Board in September, usually it's October, and I'll be presenting that Provisional Budget

[1:01:23] Voice 22: to the public.

[1:01:25] Voice 22: It's provisional because the final budget actually gets approved in March of the following

[1:01:31] Voice 22: year based on public input, and also you get information on assessment values, those sorts

[1:01:37] Voice 22: of things surpluses within the services so final budget

[1:01:41] Voice 22: it's approved this year 23. thanks peter

[1:01:45] Voice 22: i need to get a glass of water next time okay

[1:01:48] Trustee Luckham: yeah okay thank you thank you for your full report

[1:01:53] Trustee Luckham: um so we'll move on here now through uh the correspondence that we've received

[1:01:59] Trustee Luckham: um there is an additional piece of correspondence as an addendum that uh came in that said um

[1:02:07] Trustee Luckham: from Rogers communications explaining that they were not going to be attending this meeting.

[1:02:14] Trustee Luckham: And so, I'll just ask, maybe I'll just go through these. They're either for information

[1:02:21] Trustee Luckham: or for consideration. So the first one is from Marguerite Ruhrers, I think it is, concerning

[1:02:31] Trustee Luckham: concerning the LTC priorities.

[1:02:33] Trustee Luckham: I think I'll thank the writer for that

[1:02:36] Trustee Luckham: and we'll receive that information.

[1:02:37] Trustee Luckham: Do you have any remarks trustees with respect to that one?

[1:02:41] Trustee Grove: Only that I appreciate the letter

[1:02:44] Trustee Grove: and their concerns about the growth on this island.

[1:02:48] Trustee Grove: And I agree having said that,

[1:02:53] Trustee Grove: who is going to provide the much needed services

[1:02:56] Trustee Grove: for a rapidly aging population

[1:02:58] Trustee Grove: if there's nowhere for them to live

[1:03:00] Trustee Grove: and we can't lose sight of that.

[1:03:02] Trustee Grove: But thank you to Margaret and Keith.

[1:03:06] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[1:03:07] Trustee Luckham: So we'll receive that for information.

[1:03:09] Trustee Luckham: At 14.2 is a letter from Stacey to the LTC

[1:03:13] Trustee Luckham: concerning the Salisbury Island Variants Appeal.

[1:03:17] Trustee Luckham: And so there's some concerns and comments there

[1:03:20] Trustee Luckham: about us rescinding a decision that was made.

[1:03:25] Trustee Luckham: And that's for consideration.

[1:03:28] Trustee Luckham: However, I think there is a formal complaint process that the writer might want to engage

[1:03:34] Trustee Luckham: in rather than just writing to the LTC if you think the decision was made out of order.

[1:03:41] Trustee Luckham: But trustees, do you have any remarks with respect to this or some consideration for

[1:03:45] Trustee Luckham: it?

[1:03:45] Trustee Luckham: So we'll receive it for information as well.

[1:03:48] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[1:03:49] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:03:49] Trustee Luckham: you. Next item is the letter from Ken Pagente, Innovation, Science and Economic Development.

[1:03:58] Trustee Luckham: That's for information that they are not respecting this LTC's rescinding of the

[1:04:06] Trustee Luckham: concurrence on the cell tower. And that did end up having a conversation that the encouragement

[1:04:13] Trustee Luckham: from them was to continue to talk to Rogers. And indeed, there's no reason why Rogers

[1:04:19] Trustee Luckham: shouldn't or couldn't uh have a community council uh discussion um which they have now agreed to

[1:04:26] Trustee Luckham: proceed with and we'll look forward to attending that is uh any other thoughts or remarks there

[1:04:32] Trustee Luckham: trustees so we'll receive that for information so the next piece of correspondence um ltc

[1:04:40] Trustee Luckham: well this is a letter from us to uh innovation partnership c canadian mortgage and housing

[1:04:47] Trustee Luckham: Corporation in support of the housing supply challenges and so that's also is there for

[1:04:54] Trustee Luckham: information is there any further remarks on that no so then the final piece is the late one that

[1:04:59] Trustee Luckham: came in from Michael Krantz at Rogers as I've indicated for information indicating they

[1:05:06] Trustee Luckham: wouldn't be attending this meeting and I do just see a message in my email that I checked over

[1:05:13] Trustee Luckham: lunch that uh sent us a uh a letter but it came too late to be included in the agenda

[1:05:20] Trustee Luckham: um and so i apologize for that it'll show up on our next agenda um unless there's some thing that

[1:05:26] Trustee Luckham: any of the chairs want to adapt at this time no okay so thank you for writing i don't know if

[1:05:34] Trustee Luckham: you're in the audience i don't think so um and certainly uh we will advance that to the next

[1:05:39] Trustee Luckham: lcc as correspondence um so i'll move to delegations no delegations today yes yes yes

[1:05:46] Trustee Grove: it's land one 15.2 where am i

[1:05:50] Trustee Grove: on the next page 15.2 yeah

[1:05:52] Trustee Luckham: i haven't got there

[1:05:52] Trustee Luckham: um so 15.2 uh uh elizabeth fitz salen salt spring solutions concerning proposed by law

[1:06:02] Trustee Luckham: zero um uh doesn't have a suggestion there for oh this is delegation right i'm sorry

[1:06:10] Trustee Luckham: I missed that completely. But I've seen the presentation, so I knew that it wasn't going to happen.

[1:06:17] Trustee Luckham: Elizabeth Fitzsalen, there you are. Welcome to the LTC meeting.

[1:06:21] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for your fabulous community work and being here and helping us.

[1:06:28] Trustee Luckham: This is my podium.

[1:06:30] Trustee Luckham: This is the podium.

[1:06:31] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:06:32] Trustee Luckham: You're being recorded, and unfortunately, no video on you, but we'll hear your voice.

[1:06:38] Trustee Luckham: Okay,

[1:06:38] Voice 3: I didn't put on my makeup.

[1:06:40] Voice 3: That's a thank you very much for making time for this delegation.

[1:06:44] Voice 3: I'm here to speak on behalf of the Salt Spring Solutions Board

[1:06:49] Voice 3: and as organizations lead on community planning practices and policy.

[1:06:53] Voice 3: For the benefit of anyone who hasn't heard me say so before, I'm a professional planner,

[1:06:59] Voice 3: a local business owner, and a mom of two awesome kids.

[1:07:03] Voice 3: kids. I volunteer my time and professional expertise to Salt Spring Solutions because like

[1:07:08] Voice 3: so many of you, I care very deeply about this island, its ecology and community. I'm greatly

[1:07:15] Voice 3: concerned about the stark reality of our climate future and the well-being of my children, their

[1:07:20] Voice 3: generation and all the generations who will continue to be impacted and inherit the outcomes

[1:07:26] Voice 3: of the decisions that we make today. I'd like to speak about the Housing Action Program in general

[1:07:31] Voice 3: and draft by-law 530 more specifically.

[1:07:35] Voice 3: I feel it's important to stand up here

[1:07:37] Voice 3: and remind the LTC of the widespread community support

[1:07:39] Voice 3: for action on community housing.

[1:07:41] Voice 3: This is a clear mandate of the LTC set at the last election

[1:07:45] Voice 3: and will surely be the same in the forthcoming election.

[1:07:48] Voice 3: There have been multiple community surveys

[1:07:50] Voice 3: that have taken within the past year,

[1:07:52] Voice 3: including the wide-reaching vital signs survey,

[1:07:55] Voice 3: all of which identify housing as a community's most pressing issue.

[1:07:59] Voice 3: While there is indeed a housing crisis,

[1:08:01] Voice 3: is the world over. The LTC continues to have unused local land use planning tools for increasing the

[1:08:07] Voice 3: diversity of housing options and these tools should be used intelligently to provide safe,

[1:08:17] Voice 3: secure and legal housing options for our fellow community members while also protecting

[1:08:22] Voice 3: freshwater resources, sensitive ecosystems and the real beauty that so much of us value.

[1:08:27] Voice 3: you most of these local land use tools were identified over a decade ago by the islands trust

[1:08:33] Voice 3: and are already supported by our ocp of course our ocp is now sorely out of date and doesn't

[1:08:40] Voice 3: capture all the best practices in rural planning for housing and conservation alike and i hope we

[1:08:45] Voice 3: can catch up the housing action program was created by you the ltc to address everything

[1:08:50] Voice 3: i just touched on self-saving solutions doesn't support at that time let's track the progress of

[1:08:55] Voice 3: the program we are very grateful to the ltc the housing task force volunteers and staff who work

[1:09:02] Voice 3: hard to move for beyond the paralysis of endless policy interpretation and the persistent opposition

[1:09:08] Voice 3: of a small but well-organized group of affluent homeowners and so that we can finally make some

[1:09:14] Voice 3: necessary changes to our land use bylaw unfortunately despite this widespread community

[1:09:20] Voice 3: can you support a passionate, qualified task force

[1:09:23] Voice 3: and dedicated resources?

[1:09:24] Voice 3: The Housing Action Program is moving too slow.

[1:09:29] Voice 3: We are nearly at the end of this political term

[1:09:31] Voice 3: and over a year into the Housing Action Program timeline.

[1:09:34] Voice 3: With a notable and important exception

[1:09:36] Voice 3: of a standing resolution on unpermitted dwellings,

[1:09:39] Voice 3: we haven't seen much action.

[1:09:41] Voice 3: We also haven't seen much data.

[1:09:43] Voice 3: There hasn't been meaningful public engagement

[1:09:46] Voice 3: and zero public education.

[1:09:47] Voice 3: Without education, data, community dialogue, or decisive action from the LTC, all we are

[1:09:55] Voice 3: left with are occasional staff reports, NIMBY letters to the editor, disempowered volunteers,

[1:10:01] Voice 3: and an ever-growing housing crisis.

[1:10:04] Voice 3: Our community needs action, in addition to the very real and existential need of many

[1:10:09] Voice 3: Islanders for safe shelter, our community also needs hope and leadership.

[1:10:13] Voice 3: We need to see that the LTC and planning office can actually do its job as our line of planning

[1:10:19] Voice 3: agency in the time of combined crises.

[1:10:23] Voice 3: Our community is losing faith, but we can't advance actions that have been ready to go

[1:10:29] Voice 3: for an entire generation or are widely supported.

[1:10:32] Voice 3: What chances do we have to face the more challenging work and decisions that are coming with climate

[1:10:39] Voice 3: change?

[1:10:40] Voice 3: Even at an organizational level, the island's trust needs to be able to legally house its

[1:10:44] Voice 3: own staff, where we are going to have a community without a planning department, a community

[1:10:50] Voice 3: without a hospital, a community without teachers, without firefighters, without ferry service,

[1:10:55] Voice 3: a private island for the wealthy to expand their real estate portfolios.

[1:10:58] Voice 3: It's already happening, we know that.

[1:11:01] Voice 3: I strongly recommend you find the resources to engage the professional expertise needed

[1:11:07] Voice 3: to do this work right and to do it now.

[1:11:09] Voice 3: please do your best to remove barriers and help build trust so that all the recommendations of

[1:11:14] Voice 3: the housing action task force can be implemented as soon as possible with that in mind i would

[1:11:20] Voice 3: like to turn to draft bylaw 530 and this insult strength solutions recommendations to reorient

[1:11:27] Voice 3: the viable towards action we all know that there are non-conforming accessory dwelling units also

[1:11:34] Voice 3: also called ADUs, which all of you did, all over the island.

[1:11:38] Voice 3: Islanders have been living in suites, cottages, and above-accessory buildings,

[1:11:42] Voice 3: as well as in yurts and buses and so on, since before the island's trust was created.

[1:11:47] Voice 3: I personally know many low-income seniors, young adults, single parents

[1:11:51] Voice 3: who make their homes in these accessory billing units.

[1:11:54] Voice 3: Without these non-conforming billing units,

[1:11:56] Voice 3: we would actually be in a much deeper crisis than we already are.

[1:11:59] Voice 3: I've read how some opponents suggest that allowing ADUs will create

[1:12:03] Voice 3: some sort of rush on development doubling or trickling the density and population of our island

[1:12:08] Voice 3: devastating our water resources this simply isn't fact-based the research on abu's and small

[1:12:14] Voice 3: communities shows that uptake on abus is very gradual and not widely embraced by most property

[1:12:18] Voice 3: owners the whistler center for sustainability was commissioned last year by dc housing to

[1:12:23] Voice 3: a comprehensive review of abu programs and small communities in british columbia

[1:12:29] Voice 3: The findings show that of the 105 small communities in BC with ADU programs, only seven

[1:12:36] Voice 3: of those 105 have 70 or 25 percent more be touched home with ADU. This means that the other 98

[1:12:45] Voice 3: communities have less than 25 percent uptake on their programs. For communities the size of

[1:12:51] Voice 3: Salisbury Island, the uptake is smaller, it's under 10 percent, usually hovers around six to seven percent.

[1:12:56] Voice 3: I have shared all the data with us. It's really rich. We can go really fine on this.

[1:13:03] Voice 3: The reality is that if you use in today's economies are expensive to build and generally don't provide a good financial return on investment,

[1:13:09] Voice 3: it can take decades to pay off the initial investment before the rental income creates a positive cash flow.

[1:13:14] Voice 3: The CRD has just completed an analysis specific to islands that confirms this.

[1:13:20] Voice 3: Another reality is that many property owners don't want another loan.

[1:13:23] Voice 3: on maybe they prefer greater privacy or don't want to be a landlord so a new abu bylaw isn't

[1:13:29] Voice 3: going to double our population it also isn't going to solve our housing supply issue but it will

[1:13:35] Voice 3: provide a legal avenue for the existing non-conforming abus to be legalized which would

[1:13:39] Voice 3: empower tenants and landlords to come out of the shadows this is especially important for tenants

[1:13:44] Voice 3: who currently don't complain about substandard conditions or other issues for fear of having

[1:13:51] Voice 3: their home taken away. A newly ADU bylaw would also create a legal option for property owners

[1:13:57] Voice 3: who can't afford the cost of building the new ADU. Perhaps this becomes a home of their adult

[1:14:02] Voice 3: children returning from college or their aging parents. This could be a home for a teacher,

[1:14:06] Voice 3: a ferry worker, a water district employee, an island planner. On the issue of water,

[1:14:12] Voice 3: I think we can be pragmatic. ADUs should only be permitted if the property has adequate water

[1:14:18] Voice 3: supply. Everyone agrees on that. Data gathered by SWPA and other agencies show us that the per litre per day requirement for

[1:14:27] Voice 3: glowings is far higher than actual residential use in our community. We are already requiring more

[1:14:32] Voice 3: quantity to set aside than is actually being used which should give us some comfort. On top of this

[1:14:37] Voice 3: many community systems and aquifers have more capacity. I understand SWPA has created a map and

[1:14:42] Voice 3: decision tree specifically related to the spy law that shows green, yellow and red areas indicating

[1:14:47] Voice 3: indicating levels of water stress and recommended stats

[1:14:49] Voice 3: for investigating water supply in the red areas.

[1:14:53] Voice 3: Salt Spring Solutions has not seen this work,

[1:14:56] Voice 3: but welcomes this kind of fact-based and helpful approach.

[1:14:59] Voice 3: I hope that this research and analysis

[1:15:01] Voice 3: is informing the next version of By-Law 530

[1:15:03] Voice 3: and look forward to learning more

[1:15:05] Voice 3: about their science-based mapping being done with SPPA.

[1:15:08] Voice 3: Salt Spring Solutions has a list

[1:15:10] Voice 3: of recommended substantive reservations to draft By-Law 530

[1:15:14] Voice 3: instead of providing exhaustive rationales

[1:15:16] Voice 3: for each recommendation, I'll preface the entire list.

[1:15:19] Voice 3: So the entire list is based in current best practices

[1:15:22] Voice 3: in ADE bylaws in British Columbia,

[1:15:26] Voice 3: as well as the adopted regulations of bylaw 577,

[1:15:31] Voice 3: the secondary suite bylaw, and other adopted regulations

[1:15:34] Voice 3: that previously underwent public consultation

[1:15:36] Voice 3: and LTC review.

[1:15:38] Voice 3: So what happens in this bylaw that we have right now,

[1:15:41] Voice 3: this draft, they actually dialed back some of the allowances

[1:15:44] Voice 3: that were in the secondary suite bylaw,

[1:15:46] Voice 3: which is counterproductive. So I just, I know I'm getting to the end here, but so I have a list

[1:15:54] Voice 3: here. I'm not sure it's going to be very helpful verbally, but, but basically we list the areas to

[1:16:00] Voice 3: be removed and there is, we suggest revision. I think that one of the ones I would like to

[1:16:06] Voice 3: highlight, I'll just submit this so that the planning staff and trustees can see it. But I

[1:16:17] Voice 3: is um i think that it's actually it's not going to help us at all like i said that we're only

[1:16:21] Voice 3: looking at like maybe seven percent uptake over many many years and so this is just a small piece

[1:16:26] Voice 3: of what needs to be a multi-coin program and this bylaws it is makes it really hard and it actually

[1:16:32] Voice 3: dials back some of the things that are in the secondary suites and once you have overly that

[1:16:36] Voice 3: with a lot of moratorium like we're not left with very much and so i don't see why we're trying to

[1:16:41] Voice 3: and we need it down to 0.1%, you know,

[1:16:44] Voice 3: like we have a housing crisis.

[1:16:46] Voice 3: And discuss practices on all of this.

[1:16:48] Voice 3: I've asked colleagues here, planners,

[1:16:50] Voice 3: and local government and regional government,

[1:16:52] Voice 3: and then the private sector to review this as well.

[1:16:54] Voice 3: And so these recommendations also reflect

[1:16:56] Voice 3: in their professional planners.

[1:16:59] Voice 3: And I'll submit those on, but I hope they're considered.

[1:17:02] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:17:02] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[1:17:06] Trustee Luckham: All right, some very interesting remarks there.

[1:17:11] Trustee Luckham: Any questions for the delegate?

[1:17:16] Voice 5: No, but maybe, maybe

[1:17:20] Voice 4: you can add just to the end of the meeting just a conversation on housing, just a table here.

[1:17:29] Trustee Grove: Yeah, I guess. So where do you want to put that just

[1:17:32] Voice 4: after the applications. Okay.

[1:17:35] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so let's go to town hall and questions.

[1:17:38] Trustee Luckham: jones well she'll be submitting it to us and so um we'll um make sure you get it okay

[1:17:49] Voice 11: elizabeth

[1:17:50] Voice 11: can email you okay sorry thank

[1:17:53] Trustee Luckham: you so uh the way we format the town hall i'm still getting

[1:17:59] Trustee Luckham: used to coming back to meetings in public actually is um we like to hear uh in three

[1:18:05] Trustee Luckham: categories, people that want to speak to applications that are on our agenda today.

[1:18:11] Trustee Luckham: So that's the section 17. There's four listed. Actually, 17.3, the applicant has requested it

[1:18:21] Trustee Luckham: be deferred to August 9th. So we only have three applications here today. But the first category

[1:18:27] Trustee Luckham: of speakers on the town hall for questions is on applications that we have before us today.

[1:18:33] Trustee Luckham: The second category is applications that are in stream that are not on today's agenda, but we may be considering in the future.

[1:18:40] Trustee Luckham: And then the third category is any other issue that you wish to address to the local trust committee within the jurisdiction of the Islands Trust.

[1:18:50] Trustee Luckham: There's lots of concerns that are out there that we may not have the ability to impact.

[1:18:56] Trustee Luckham: And not that we don't care, but I try to focus our resources where we can.

[1:19:01] Trustee Luckham: So I'll just ask for a show of hands. Is there anybody that wishes to speak to any of the applications that are before us today?

[1:19:09] Trustee Luckham: OK, so I see one, two, three hands. So if you don't mind just sequentially managing yourselves up to the podium here and and tell us what's going on for you.

[1:19:20] Trustee Luckham: Oh, and if you're an applicant, I just let you know you will have your opportunity to speak as an applicant when we talk about the application specifically.

[1:19:29] Trustee Luckham: So, Maxine Leichter, over to you.

[1:19:33] Voice 23: I have something both on something in process and something not in process.

[1:19:38] Voice 23: Can I speak twice?

[1:19:41] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to ask you to speak twice.

[1:19:43] Trustee Luckham: So, let's do this one first, and

[1:19:45] Voice 23: then I'll get you to come back.

[1:19:45] Voice 23: So, this is about the request for a variance step back of a septic system from the water, 271 Isabella Point Road.

[1:19:55] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:19:55] Voice 5: I'd

[1:19:56] Voice 4: like to point out that septic systems are good at taking out bacteria and other disease

[1:20:04] Voice 23: -causing organisms.

[1:20:05] Voice 23: They do not do a good job of taking out nitrates and nitrogen and other pollutants.

[1:20:12] Voice 23: And that's why there is a setback.

[1:20:16] Voice 23: And that every time you allow someone to put a septic system closer to the ocean,

[1:20:22] Voice 4: This could be, I don't have proof, and we are working on getting some testing proof of this, but there is likely nitrogen going into the water.

[1:20:36] Voice 4: And this causes, this is harmful to the ocean life. Plus, they have a wall

[1:20:44] Voice 23: that was, I believe, put up illegally.

[1:20:46] Voice 23: believe and every time you make those legal that's also harming the ocean life because that gradual

[1:20:56] Voice 23: oceanfront that is natural is very important for fish including salmon which is a big issue with

[1:21:04] Voice 23: our first nations they need that to hide in the shallow water from predators and so it is i urge

[1:21:14] Voice 23: you not to every time one of these walls comes through to legalize the natural

[1:21:21] Voice 4: seashore should

[1:21:22] Voice 4: be restored and also important is vegetation natural vegetation on the seashore which

[1:21:28] Voice 4: provides food for the fish and shade

[1:21:31] Voice 23: cools the water so i i urge you to take a much harder look

[1:21:37] Voice 23: at this application and and just one more point the job of the trust is to protect the environment

[1:21:45] Voice 23: not to assure that every property owner, no matter how small their lot, can be developed.

[1:21:54] Thank you.

[1:21:57] Trustee Luckham: Are there other speakers? I think we had you and the lady back there. After you, sir.

[1:22:05] Voice 20: My name is Dennis Luccarelli. I live at 402 Isabella Point Road.

[1:22:09] Voice 20: Yes.

[1:22:09] Voice 20: I'm here to speak on item 17.2 on the agenda.

[1:22:13] Voice 20: And I'm going to go to my last point to echo off of what Maxine just raised.

[1:22:21] Voice 20: I'm wondering, regarding the shorelines of Salt Spring, has there ever been a comprehensive geological and or biological shoreline evaluation so that we know exactly what is going into the sea from septic systems and other forms of runoff?

[1:22:40] Voice 20: I sort of doubt it. It would be a great idea to have that because we don't actually know,

[1:22:44] Voice 20: as Maxine pointed out, what's going into the water. So that would be something to look at.

[1:22:51] Voice 20: As well, it would be good to know, have an idea of our existing septic systems leaking into the

[1:23:00] Voice 20: ocean. We can't harvest clams. We can't eat. There's a lot of stuff in the harbor that we

[1:23:05] Voice 20: don't want to eat. And so that's a problem or a concern for all of us. So I would love to see

[1:23:11] Voice 20: a shoreline plan that goes beyond letting the owners just take advantage of the appreciation

[1:23:22] Voice 20: which seems to be the rationale behind the permit application that's in paragraph 17.2 at 371

[1:23:30] Voice 20: isabella point road a little history there since i the family that i married into lives practically

[1:23:37] Voice 20: across the street at 402. We have a little postage stamp of shoreline lot where my mother-in-law and

[1:23:45] Voice 20: father-in-law declined to build the same seawall that the next five neighbors down built up about

[1:23:55] Voice 20: 30 or 40 years ago, I think it was in the mid-1980s, because they foresaw, well, first of all,

[1:24:02] Voice 20: in our property, there's a clam, a clam, and it's a deep one. That entire shoreline was a sensitive

[1:24:07] Voice 20: of indigenous shoreline as I think we all know. So the land, the seawall got built in the mid-1980s

[1:24:18] Voice 20: before the seawall got built sometime after 1976 and this is historical information from Ruby Alton

[1:24:32] Voice 20: that there is a, in the property in question, there is actually a stream,

[1:24:37] Voice 20: there was a light stream running around on one side of the property and fill was dumped over

[1:24:43] Voice 20: a combination of rock and possibly tree trunks and other things to fill it up shortly thereafter

[1:24:49] Voice 20: there was a major rain and there was a landslide right around there at 371 the plume according to

[1:24:58] Voice 20: ruby alton went was visible halfway across the harbor halfway across the bay and my larger point

[1:25:05] Voice 20: is that that that region of Isabella Point Road from around 300 to say 500 is a designated

[1:25:12] Voice 20: slippage zone. In our own recent memory within the past I think three years at around 300 there

[1:25:19] Voice 20: was that major landslide at about 300 years ago which has the giant rock a pile of rocks that

[1:25:27] Voice 20: are visible from the ferry terminal. There is also the major washout I think it was about two years

[1:25:33] Voice 20: years ago at Fern Creek which is around 500 is about point which is at sea level but that entire

[1:25:41] Voice 20: area is again part of a slippage zone and so my concern is what are we doing approving the

[1:25:48] Voice 20: development of a house where there has already been a land right on top of where there has already

[1:25:52] Voice 20: been a landslide on that small lot historically these were beach chat lots and I know that things

[1:25:59] Voice 20: evolved and that now we are allowed to build houses wherever. Nonetheless, the landslides

[1:26:09] Voice 20: continue and until we have a comprehensive idea about the biology of the shoreline,

[1:26:15] Voice 20: it's best to go cautious. And a final point I would make is that how is the island's trust

[1:26:25] Voice 20: in our other authorities going to compensate or are we going to compensate every shoreline owner?

[1:26:32] Voice 20: for their inability to forestall the inevitable,

[1:26:36] Voice 20: which is sea level rise from climate change and atmospheric rivers.

[1:26:43] Voice 20: Okay, their homes are there.

[1:26:45] Voice 20: They built a seawall.

[1:26:46] Voice 20: Eventually, that's going to get bashed up by rising sea levels.

[1:26:51] Voice 20: If this house gets built on that land for the variance permit,

[1:26:56] Voice 20: they'll be digging up,

[1:26:59] Voice 20: putting in a new septic system.

[1:27:01] Voice 20: they've asked that the setback be reduced from 15 meters to zero along the shoreline and it looks

[1:27:09] Voice 20: like they want to reconstruct and build a new a new seawall the rationale for the that i gathered

[1:27:16] Voice 20: from the variance application was to prevent hardship and i can see that i can see we're

[1:27:24] Voice 20: making an exception to the laws and the regulations to prevent a hardship but this is an investor who

[1:27:30] Voice 20: just bought the land and if they spend i i didn't write down the numbers but i believe they spent

[1:27:38] Voice 20: around half a million for the land the assessed valuation is about a million and a half if of

[1:27:43] Voice 20: house next door so if they build a house that they spend five or six hundred grand on a new house on

[1:27:48] Voice 20: that lot if it's worth the same as the house next door they just made a profit i don't believe

[1:27:54] Voice 20: there's really a hardship going on here somebody took a chance it seems a speculative chance

[1:28:01] Voice 20: But a former historical beachfront camping lot where you could put a trailer or maybe

[1:28:06] Voice 20: a cannon boat like they used to be on one of the other lots where there is now a home

[1:28:10] Voice 20: and gambled on the chance that they're going to get to build a nice big house.

[1:28:15] Voice 20: I'm sorry, I don't favor that because of the reasons of global climate change and the likelihood

[1:28:21] Voice 20: of landslides in that particular part of this.

[1:28:23] Voice 20: Thank you.

[1:28:24] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:28:24] Voice 5: Thank

[1:28:25] Voice 20: you very much.

[1:28:25] Voice 20: sure.

[1:28:27] Voice 5: In the back there.

[1:28:37] Voice 5: My name is

[1:28:38] Voice 3: Vera parent, I just live up the road. And yeah, thank

[1:28:42] Voice 3: you for the opportunity to

[1:28:44] Voice 23: ask you something. But I think it

[1:28:45] Voice 23: might not be on the agenda because the Rogers delegate did

[1:28:48] Voice 23: not show up.

[1:28:49] Voice 18: It's not on the agenda. So

[1:28:51] Voice 23: the concern was the

[1:28:52] Voice 3: 5g towers. And my request or my concern is, how can we make sure

[1:28:58] Voice 3: that the public is part of this decision because it's going to affect everybody especially if it's

[1:29:04] Voice 3: in channel ridge there's many many people living around and it just seems very concerning to me and

[1:29:11] Voice 3: to many others so

[1:29:13] Trustee Luckham: so there has been a public process already um been undertaken which the

[1:29:21] Trustee Luckham: community was involved in and you can certainly find a lot of that material on our website

[1:29:26] Trustee Luckham: site um under that application it would be filed um there um they have received a concurrence to

[1:29:37] Trustee Luckham: go ahead with the project although that is being contested at this time um and rogers is uh engaging

[1:29:44] Trustee Luckham: the immediately affected residents in the channel bridge area um and that's sort of where we're at

[1:29:51] Trustee Luckham: They own it

[1:29:52] Trustee Luckham: and they control the process with that we put it into their hands to communicate with the public further.

[1:29:58] Trustee Luckham: I would maybe

[1:30:00] Trustee Luckham: touch base with the folks in channel ridge and find out when this is happening right and um and

[1:30:04] Trustee Luckham: go from there so

[1:30:06] Voice 23: just to clarify it's not happening at the next meeting no okay well

[1:30:10] Trustee Luckham: i don't know what

[1:30:11] Trustee Luckham: will happen at the next meeting it may

[1:30:12] Trustee Luckham: be that we'll get a report from them to tell us what they

[1:30:15] Trustee Luckham: learned i think

[1:30:16] Trustee Luckham: i encourage them to report back to us okay

[1:30:18] Trustee Luckham: but i have no way of predicting how that

[1:30:20] Trustee Luckham: will unfold all

[1:30:21] Voice 23: right okay so we get the information on the website yeah

[1:30:24] Trustee Luckham: if you go to our website it's

[1:30:25] Trustee Luckham: there already if you look at the uh

[1:30:27] Trustee Luckham: channel bridge application okay

[1:30:29] Voice 23: thank you very much

[1:30:29] Trustee Luckham: and there was a previous application at the lions hall which was a telus project but extensively

[1:30:36] Trustee Luckham: yeah it's it's on it's out there and staff

[1:30:39] Trustee Luckham: would be able to help you direct you if necessary thank

[1:30:42] Voice 5: you okay um

[1:30:44] Trustee Luckham: so i think that's it on today's applications when not quite on today's

[1:30:48] Trustee Luckham: applications anybody else wish to speak to applications on our agenda today okay

[1:30:55] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So is there anybody that wishes to speak to applications that are in stream that are not on today's agenda? Maxine, thank you.

[1:31:08] Voice 23: I'm sorry, last time I didn't give my name.

[1:31:10] Voice 23: That's okay.

[1:31:11] Voice 23: I know you know my name.

[1:31:12] Voice 23: It's good, better for the public to know who you are.

[1:31:14] Voice 23: Yes, my name is Maxine Leiter. And I want to say something about bylaw 530.

[1:31:19] Voice 23: Yeah.

[1:31:20] Voice 4: um we are well aware that this bio will not produce a lot of secondary seeds or

[1:31:27] Voice 4: that is not our concern

[1:31:31] Voice 23: our concern is over the long term and i want to say i'm

[1:31:36] Voice 4: not a professional

[1:31:36] Voice 4: planner but i am a professional environmental person i have a degree in environmental

[1:31:44] Voice 4: matters. I

[1:31:47] Voice 23: don't give it out all the time. I don't think it's important because I think

[1:31:52] Voice 23: personal experience is important. I have 50 years of experience as an environmental advocate

[1:31:58] Voice 23: and I think I'm proud of being a senior citizen with a lot of

[1:32:02] Voice 4: practical experience.

[1:32:05] Voice 4: and I want to say that Peter asked a good question what

[1:32:15] Voice 23: to do about services for people

[1:32:17] Voice 23: what to do about our employees the thing to do is to build houses specifically for those people

[1:32:24] Voice 23: that is what is being undertaken by CRD I think Gary's talked before about how successful we've

[1:32:32] Voice 23: been at building a lot of affordable multi-unit housing and we need to do more of that where there

[1:32:39] Voice 23: is sufficient water and sewer capacity and that's what we need to do

[1:32:44] Voice 4: because pizza cottage is not

[1:32:47] Voice 4: going to provide what we need but over the long run the decades after we're all gone zoning capacity

[1:32:57] Voice 23: gets used. It's a gradual process, but it gets used. And we do not have the resources here to support that.

[1:33:06] Voice 23: We have water, sewage, hospital, ferry, any of

[1:33:10] Voice 4: it. And we can't guarantee that it will even go to people who we need to house.

[1:33:18] Voice 4: out,

[1:33:18] Voice 5: or

[1:33:19] Voice 4: that it will be affordable for people to have.

[1:33:23] Voice 4: So that is why a lot of us are urging not the right approach.

[1:33:30] Voice 4: So I hope you will consider that very seriously.

[1:33:33] Voice 4: And there will be more people to tell you about it

[1:33:37] Voice 4: when it's before you again.

[1:33:39] Voice 15: Thank

[1:33:40] Trustee Luckham: you very much.

[1:33:42] Trustee Luckham: Is there anybody else who wishes to speak

[1:33:44] Trustee Luckham: to applications that are not on today's agenda that

[1:33:48] Trustee Luckham: are in stream?

[1:33:49] Trustee Luckham: Is there a hand up somewhere? No? Okay, so is there anybody that wishes to address? Did you wish

[1:34:00] Trustee Luckham: to address? Okay, thank you.

[1:34:04] Voice 17: I'm sorry for my tardiness. I was in a bike accident yesterday.

[1:34:08] Voice 17: Oh,

[1:34:08] Voice 5: I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you're all right.

[1:34:10] Voice 17: Yeah, so the first thing I want to talk

[1:34:13] Voice 17: about is electromagnetic sensitivity. I never believed in it. I thought it was just something

[1:34:17] Voice 17: people made up, and I had a cabin for rent, and I had a woman that came to look at the cabin,

[1:34:22] Voice 17: and she said she could not be around any sort of wireless signals so I asked my other tenant to

[1:34:30] Voice 17: turn off the wireless while she was at the property and he did and she just she loved the

[1:34:35] Voice 17: cabin loved the place we ended up talking for hours and he had thought she left and turned the

[1:34:42] Voice 17: wireless signal back on and immediately the woman became very ill and told me that's what had

[1:34:47] Voice 17: happened i went over i checked with him sure enough the wireless signal had been he had just

[1:34:53] Voice 17: turned it back on thinking she wasn't there anymore and this is a real thing i know five

[1:34:58] Voice 17: people personally on island with electromagnetic sensitivity and um you know we've we've seen 4g

[1:35:07] Voice 17: even have a negative effect uh 5g is so much stronger and we've already seen health impacts

[1:35:15] Voice 17: packs um you know as far as i'm concerned we've done so much to protect salt spring from things

[1:35:22] Voice 17: like walmart and mcdonald's you know this we need to do this too thank you thank

[1:35:28] Trustee Luckham: you okay thank you

[1:35:29] Trustee Luckham: very much

[1:35:29] Voice 17: so

[1:35:32] Trustee Luckham: we kind of moved in there to items not on our agenda today but within our jurisdiction

[1:35:36] Trustee Luckham: is there anybody else that wishes to address the ltc so sir you first and then this lady in the

[1:35:41] Trustee Luckham: from bro second hi i'm

[1:35:46] Voice 19: julian clark i'm up on channel ridge i'm here to talk about the cell

[1:35:50] Voice 19: tower thank you uh chair luckham thank you for uh speaking with rogers and encouraging them

[1:35:56] Voice 19: to meet with the residents you've indicated uh the concerned residents of channel ridge

[1:36:02] Voice 19: uh you'd indicated that was a that you'd asked them to do so a couple of months ago yeah i just

[1:36:06] Voice 19: wish to clarify that that was on november 29th there you

[1:36:10] Voice 19: go that's six and a half months almost

[1:36:11] Voice 19: almost seven, and that we have not heard a word from Rogers in that six and a half months

[1:36:17] Voice 19: until they wrote to you on June 7th and said that counter to your rescission of your concurrence

[1:36:24] Voice 19: decision on your March 22nd meeting, that they were just going to be building in a few

[1:36:30] Voice 19: weeks' time.

[1:36:32] Voice 19: And I think that kind of characterizes who we're dealing with here.

[1:36:36] Voice 5: All right.

[1:36:37] Voice 19: Right. What I would like to talk about for just a couple of moments is the IACD letter that you received.

[1:36:46] Voice 19: I believe it is in the correspondence. Funnily enough, I didn't see it a couple of weeks ago, so I don't know if it was recently added to the online correspondence.

[1:36:53] Voice 19: finance but this is the ised letter to you dated may 17th yeah which

[1:36:58] Voice 19: indicates that they really

[1:37:00] Voice 19: don't care that you've rescinded the concurrence decision but then they feel that everything is

[1:37:04] Voice 19: all right and that they are allowing rogers to proceed yeah

[1:37:09] Voice 5: there

[1:37:11] Voice 19: is something terribly wrong

[1:37:12] Voice 19: with that and i would hope that the ltc will do something about it let me provide a little bit

[1:37:19] Voice 19: the background. The LTC heard from concerned residents about this tower in August and in

[1:37:27] Voice 19: September, and as a result, you had directed staff to go and speak to IACD and see what options you

[1:37:33] Voice 19: had available post-concurrence. The IACD indicated to you that you've concurred, but in the event

[1:37:42] Voice 19: you found either inaccurate or incomplete information was provided during the concurrence

[1:37:47] Voice 19: decision that you had the right to rescind. In the months that followed, again, the concerned

[1:37:55] Voice 19: residents have shown you and demonstrated time and time again that, in fact, the proponents made

[1:38:00] Voice 19: false statements in their application. The proponents did not meet the requirements that

[1:38:06] Voice 19: they needed to meet to fulfill what you would ask them to do as their guideline, which was the model

[1:38:13] Voice 19: protocol. And so, as a result, it's very clear that there was inaccurate information provided

[1:38:20] Voice 19: provided to you, the LTC trustees, when you made that concurrence decision.

[1:38:24] Voice 19: That's half of it.

[1:38:26] Voice 19: The incomplete information

[1:38:28] Voice 19: is that you were unaware until your March 22nd meeting

[1:38:32] Voice 19: that the Channel Ridge area was very active First Nations lands

[1:38:36] Voice 19: from between 2000 to 8000 years ago. There are petroglyphs in Channel Ridge.

[1:38:43] Voice 19: There are inland middens, which are quite rare in Channel Ridge.

[1:38:47] Voice 19: And in fact, when the Channel Ridge Property Development Corporation went and clear-cut that development area in 2004, there was a contravention of a Heritage Conservation Act, and the RCMP were called in.

[1:39:07] Voice 19: When your proponents, Crest and Rogers, requested to build this tower, they did not offer to do an archaeological assessment, and you did not require them to do so.

[1:39:16] Voice 19: You were not aware at that time, you had incomplete information, and were not aware that there was an active First Nations community in that environment.

[1:39:26] Voice 19: You are now aware of that.

[1:39:28] Voice 19: As a result of those two things, inaccurate information and incomplete information, at your March 22nd meeting, you rescinded your concurrence decision.

[1:39:36] Voice 19: decision. I urge you to write back to ISED in response to the May 17th letter and indicate

[1:39:45] Voice 19: to them that there are things here that you would ask them what you could do. You have

[1:39:52] Voice 19: found that there was inaccurate and incomplete information and that you have rescinded and

[1:39:57] Voice 19: it's your very right to rescind that concurrence decision and that they should not override

[1:40:04] Voice 19: ride that. The last thing I will say is the concerned residents wrote to ISEV when we were

[1:40:11] Voice 19: concerned that this process had not been fulfilled as it was indicated and asked for their assistance

[1:40:17] Voice 19: and I just wish to quote one paragraph of their response back to us. Since municipalities are

[1:40:24] Voice 19: directly impacted by the addition of cowards the department that's being the ISEV believes land

[1:40:31] Voice 19: and use authorities are best positioned to determine whether an antenna proposal is suitable

[1:40:36] Voice 19: for their respective community. Section 4.1 of the CPC detail how municipalities can define their

[1:40:43] Voice 19: own antenna sighting procedures in order to reflect the needs and requirements of their community.

[1:40:50] Voice 19: ISED are not in a position to make this decision. You are. And I would urge you to please respond

[1:40:57] Voice 19: to the May 17th letter and ensure that both ISED and Rogers know that you have rescinded

[1:41:05] Voice 19: the concurrence decision and that they need to do some things to fulfill the requirements

[1:41:10] Voice 19: of the protocol they claim they fulfilled in the first place, and they need to consult

[1:41:14] Voice 19: with First Nations. Thank you.

[1:41:18] Voice 5: Thank you. Any

[1:41:29] Voice 5: other speakers today?

[1:41:32] Voice 5: I just wanted to clarify the

[1:41:35] Voice 23: process. I'm Susan Stacey. I wrote one of the letters that

[1:41:39] Voice 23: was under correspondence. And

[1:41:41] Voice 23: I wanted to clarify the process for

[1:41:43] Trustee Luckham: the formal complaint.

[1:41:45] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So what would be the easiest thing to do is for you to take the letter that you've

[1:41:51] Trustee Luckham: already written to us and actually reformat it or readdress it and send it to the CAO

[1:41:55] Trustee Luckham: as an administrative complaint.

[1:41:58] Trustee Luckham: And then the CAO will review that,

[1:42:01] Trustee Luckham: quite possibly bring it to the executive committee

[1:42:03] Trustee Luckham: for consideration to determine whether or not

[1:42:06] Trustee Luckham: an appropriate decision was made

[1:42:08] Trustee Luckham: in respect of the things that you've included in your letter.

[1:42:11] Trustee Luckham: And I've read it closely and understand what you're saying.

[1:42:15] Trustee Luckham: And so that's the formal process.

[1:42:18] Trustee Luckham: And then

[1:42:19] Trustee Luckham: however that would unfold.

[1:42:23] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[1:42:23] Voice 23: just six weeks ago i think you received the letter so i'm just hearing about it now that it

[1:42:27] Voice 23: would have been better for a different route so

[1:42:30] Voice 23: um cao the chief

[1:42:33] Voice 18: executive officer of the

[1:42:34] Voice 18: islands trust he handles those kinds of things and

[1:42:37] Voice 23: i'd add one more thing to it just to ask about

[1:42:39] Voice 23: the authority around authorizing the use of an accessory building as a dwelling because i think

[1:42:46] Voice 23: that i understand that one of the accessory buildings is already been authorized to be used

[1:42:53] Trustee Luckham: I

[1:42:53] Voice 23: believe that

[1:42:54] Trustee Luckham: is so. I see a lot of IHOPs day to day, week to week, but the approvals were offered to the applicant that were requested in consideration of the information we received.

[1:43:08] Trustee Luckham: Right. But

[1:43:08] Voice 23: I thought it was for seasonal residents as opposed to accessory building, just to clarify, just so that I don't mess up the...

[1:43:18] Trustee Luckham: well you know i would suggest you contact staff and ask them for what the permissions that were

[1:43:25] Trustee Luckham: granted okay yeah because i just thought that that would be a zoning bylaw not a building bylaw

[1:43:31] Trustee Luckham: that's all building bylaws are not the island's trust responsibility that belongs to the crd

[1:43:36] Trustee Luckham: and i

[1:43:37] Trustee Luckham: don't know if the crd has had a look at any of those details on that site but we only

[1:43:43] Trustee Luckham: prescribe the usage not just the building construction so the

[1:43:48] Voice 5: usage as well to vary

[1:43:50] Voice 5: the usage building as

[1:43:52] Trustee Luckham: well the island's trust does the usage okay

[1:43:55] Voice 5: yeah is

[1:43:57] Voice 5: that correct staff

[1:43:58] Trustee Luckham: and that balance trust determines the use of the building

[1:44:02] Trustee Luckham: so the

[1:44:04] Voice 4: use as an accessory building to be used as a dwelling that would be the island's trust

[1:44:10] Trustee Luckham: or the feedback no that would be the alms trust and the use that was requested was granted

[1:44:16] Trustee Luckham: whether or not there's another use that's uh that's being conducted there i don't know

[1:44:22] Voice 8: um

[1:44:23] Voice 8: yeah so the variances that were granted for the workshop don't allow it to be used as a dwelling

[1:44:33] Voice 5: not to be

[1:44:34] Voice 8: used as a dwelling but

[1:44:36] Voice 23: the treehouse the

[1:44:37] Voice 8: treehouse is in effect the seasonal cottage

[1:44:39] Voice 8: yes

[1:44:40] Voice 23: okay so they can't also then add a seasonal cottage because that was proposed to me a few

[1:44:45] Voice 23: days ago as they were possibly going to now also apply to have a 900 square foot seasonal cottage

[1:44:51] Voice 23: as well i

[1:44:53] Voice 16: i have no idea i can't help yeah we haven't seen an application no no that's just

[1:44:58] Voice 11: here so well it's

[1:45:00] Voice 23: in a letter that

[1:45:01] Voice 11: laura received and gordon okay from the actual

[1:45:07] Voice 5: person so all

[1:45:09] Trustee Luckham: right thank you all right okay thank you um anybody else addressing the local trust committee

[1:45:14] Trustee Luckham: on other issues um so i see one two three i'll just go in that order if you don't mind

[1:45:19] Trustee Luckham: thank

[1:45:22] Voice 23: you so i just um i want to speak on the challenge tower being sure and i'm just wondering

[1:45:30] Voice 23: if anybody knows what the effects are when we're speaking about the sicknesses

[1:45:35] Voice 4: that can be caused

[1:45:35] Voice 4: from a lot of this frequency so the 5g tower it boasts that you get high data speeds and

[1:45:42] Voice 4: connectivity and better performance right but you also get with this massive amount of frequency

[1:45:48] Voice 4: you get infertility brain cancer alzheimer's disease autism damage to the dna destroyed

[1:45:58] Voice 4: melatonin production limits on neurological development of the brain which impairs memory

[1:46:04] Voice 4: and learning. Lowered blood cell count, which leads to chronic viral infection and parasites.

[1:46:11] Voice 4: Lowered thyroid hormones. Lowered progesterone in women. Lowered testosterone in men. Premature

[1:46:20] Voice 4: aging. Headaches, fatigue, sleep disorders, breast cancer, ADD, ADHD, lowered sperm count,

[1:46:30] Voice 4: dizziness, nausea, deafness, blurred vision, enlarged thyroid, nose leads. It also affects

[1:46:38] Voice 4: your cardiac system, respiratory system, and digestive system. So the truth about what 5G

[1:46:44] Voice 4: actually is, is a disruption and disintegration of every system that is natural,

[1:46:51] Voice 4: which means the human body as well as the planet. So animals, insects, everything.

[1:46:59] Voice 4: so that that's a main concern for me even though i don't live in channel ridge

[1:47:04] Voice 23: my name is amber host

[1:47:04] Voice 23: by the way living on walkershook it is for everybody on salt spring that these these

[1:47:10] Voice 23: symptoms need to be

[1:47:11] Voice 4: made aware of it's not about better data usage not in my opinion there are

[1:47:17] Voice 4: deeper things at risk here thank you thank you okay

[1:47:21] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much um i had one two somebody

[1:47:25] Trustee Luckham: it here yeah middle go ahead hello

[1:47:31] Voice 23: i'm diana pattison i'm one of the concerned residents of

[1:47:35] Voice 23: canvasback i'm here to support my fellow neighbors and what julian in particular has already

[1:47:42] Voice 23: articulated about the rogers salt tower please intervene and hold rogers to account they cannot

[1:47:48] Voice 23: be allowed to bully their way around the cell tower sighting process as they are aggressively

[1:47:52] Voice 23: attempting to do their approach shows a blatant disregard for the proper process and for the

[1:47:58] Voice 23: ltc itself we will be paying keen attention to the upcoming public consultation with rogers

[1:48:04] Voice 23: and i do hope that that happens before rogers begins construction because their letter made

[1:48:10] Voice 23: it seem like this was imminent i actually live i forgot it's 150 feet from the proposed site

[1:48:18] Voice 23: and i hear noises back there um there yeah i go back and check and it doesn't look like there's

[1:48:28] Voice 23: active building but construction workers are visiting the site so i'm very nervous that this

[1:48:34] Voice 23: is going to happen right now and they're going to consult us once it's started so if there's

[1:48:39] Voice 23: any way to confirm that they have to have this meeting before construction that would be great

[1:48:45] Voice 23: um

[1:48:46] Voice 12: i think their intention is to have the meeting for construction right okay um

[1:48:51] Voice 23: i am not against

[1:48:52] Voice 23: cell towers and i know that cell phone needs better communication services i'm purely concerned

[1:48:57] Voice 23: that the right protocol being followed and consultation with the public especially us

[1:49:02] Voice 23: who live right close to the site thank you okay

[1:49:06] Voice 5: thank you um sir in the back good afternoon i'm

[1:49:17] Voice 21: also a member of the channel great concerned organization my name is lauren steiner i live

[1:49:21] Voice 21: right next to the tower yeah um through this whole process i've been amazed at the way that

[1:49:26] Voice 21: rogers has just basically used a heavy hand on us we only received one letter in the spring of

[1:49:31] Voice 21: of 2021, saying this was all going to occur,

[1:49:34] Voice 21: that we had no chance to ever organize

[1:49:37] Voice 21: before you guys made your initial decision.

[1:49:39] Voice 21: Now, site preparation has already been done up there.

[1:49:42] Voice 21: They've already set up stakes,

[1:49:44] Voice 21: so they're gonna put up the new tower.

[1:49:45] Voice 21: They've prepared the ground.

[1:49:47] Voice 21: They've began to run trench lines

[1:49:49] Voice 21: from the original existing tower over to the new site

[1:49:51] Voice 21: to provide power to that area.

[1:49:53] Voice 21: And I'm afraid that construction's in and out.

[1:49:56] Voice 5: It

[1:49:56] Voice 21: is my wish that the LTC immediately puts forth a letter

[1:49:59] Voice 21: are two cribers ceasing and desisting this construction until this whole thing is resolved

[1:50:05] Voice 21: because this whole thing to get out of hand we are already having to deal with

[1:50:12] Voice 21: increased construction noise and um destruction to our lifestyles up there it is getting and i'm

[1:50:18] Voice 21: afraid that it's just going to get really bad in the summer and i think i am i concur completely

[1:50:23] Voice 21: with what Julian said, we need to move forward this quickly and I am imploring the LTC to act

[1:50:29] Voice 21: before it's too late. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

[1:50:38] Trustee Luckham: Anybody else wish to address the local trust

[1:50:40] Trustee Luckham: committee today? Okay, we'll continue on then with the applications and thank you very much

[1:50:48] Trustee Luckham: for coming and your words are important to us. I just might offer a little advice is I'm sure if

[1:50:55] Trustee Luckham: it's not a question is we prepared for the meeting with roger and have those very questions that are

[1:51:01] Trustee Luckham: in your minds about the consultation process in order for them to explain um part of my rationale

[1:51:08] Trustee Luckham: for having them explain this to you is better for them to defend their process than for us to defend

[1:51:14] Trustee Luckham: their process um and so just be prepared be kind of course right and um and but have your questions

[1:51:21] Trustee Luckham: prepared so that you can find out what the answers are we will

[1:51:23] Trustee Luckham: be watching we'll

[1:51:24] Voice 7: be ready and what i

[1:51:26] Voice 7: would say is i would hope that this is not a check the box exercise yes i

[1:51:30] Voice 19: would hope that this is not

[1:51:32] Voice 19: a well we met with them and now we will yeah when we show that they did not meet the requirements

[1:51:39] Voice 19: that they met i would hope that you will act and again you have

[1:51:43] Voice 19: rescinded

[1:51:45] Voice 7: your concurrence decision

[1:51:47] Voice 7: Yeah, well we will be we will

[1:51:50] Trustee Luckham: be watching just

[1:51:52] Trustee Grove: in case

[1:51:56] Trustee Grove: they contact you directly rather

[1:51:57] Trustee Grove: than us please make sure we are told

[1:52:00] Voice 12: them to make sure they contact Okay, good.

[1:52:03] Trustee Grove: Yeah, I

[1:52:04] Voice 19: think you will find that if construction begins, you're going

[1:52:07] Trustee Grove: to have a problem because

[1:52:08] Voice 19: residents are going to block their access, call the press, and this is going to get

[1:52:13] Voice 12: unfortunately,

[1:52:15] Voice 12: Unfortunately, you

[1:52:16] Voice 19: don't have a legal right to build there.

[1:52:18] Voice 19: You rescinded.

[1:52:19] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:52:22] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:52:23] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[1:52:25] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:52:26] Voice 11: I never saw it there and I lost it.

[1:52:33] Trustee Luckham: All right, let us move on to applications.

[1:52:35] Trustee Luckham: So our first application on our agenda is on page 19.

[1:52:43] Trustee Luckham: And it's Sulfur and Development Verification Permit 2022.

[1:52:46] Trustee Luckham: mass center at 244 rainbow road and i think i saw phil's testament there is uh just a mouth

[1:52:54] Trustee Luckham: so

[1:52:55] Trustee Grove: i've just i've shut down but i'm fine i may have to go get my charger

[1:52:59] Trustee Grove: oh i see okay

[1:53:01] Trustee Luckham: will my plug into yours

[1:53:03] Trustee Grove: yes yeah

[1:53:04] Trustee Luckham: thank

[1:53:04] Trustee Grove: you i'm fully charged

[1:53:06] Voice 12: so

[1:53:06] Trustee Luckham: phil testimony um i'll turn this over to you i'll ask if the applicant is in the

[1:53:12] Trustee Luckham: room here today oh excellent thank you very much for being here so uh staff are going to

[1:53:18] Trustee Luckham: present us with their report and their findings and recommendations and then i'll turn to you to

[1:53:23] Trustee Luckham: ask um if you're in concurrence with the recommendations or have any additional

[1:53:26] Trustee Luckham: information and then we'll have a discussion here we may have some questions for you and or staff

[1:53:31] Trustee Luckham: and then we'll have a conversation about a decision so thank you very much for being here today um

[1:53:36] Trustee Luckham: Phil, over to you.

[1:53:38] Planner: Excuse me. Thank you, Chair Luckham.

[1:53:40] Planner: So Salt Spring DVP 2022.8, which is for Ian Missender at 244 Rainbow Road.

[1:53:49] Planner: And the purpose of the report is to consider a development variance permit for the minimum lot size that can be created by a proposed boundary adjustment subdivision.

[1:54:00] Planner: That application is sub 2021.4.

[1:54:05] Planner: and also for the siting of an existing building that would be rendered non-conforming

[1:54:10] Planner: with the proposed subdivision so the proposal would realign the configuration of the two

[1:54:16] Planner: existing lots that are located on rainbow road as shown on figure 2 which is on page 92 of the

[1:54:24] Planner: agenda both property the properties front both rainbow road and kanaka roads and they are both

[1:54:31] Planner: have currently are a long and thin configuration or shape. They have historically been used as a

[1:54:39] Planner: single property and the proposed reconfiguration would make the two lots more functional,

[1:54:45] Planner: usable and serviceable with a 0.2 hectare proposed lot one and 0.41 hectare proposed lot two.

[1:54:55] Planner: That layout complies better with the requirements in the land use bylaw subdivision regulations

[1:55:00] Planner: And it would address historical non-conformities with the existing dwelling that was constructed in 1935 and an accessory building, which is a farm building, which straddles both the current dividing property lines.

[1:55:17] Planner: So the variance and subsequent subdivision are assessed as having minimal or no impact on neighbouring properties, with the exception of the addition of a new dwelling on proposed lot one, which would not be feasible with the current lot configuration and existing non-conformities.

[1:55:33] Planner: So DVP notices were circulated to surrounding property owners and residents, and no submissions have been received in response.

[1:55:43] Planner: Staff's recommendation is that the Local Trust Committee approve issuance of the DDP.

[1:55:49] Planner: And the basis for that recommendation is that the rationale for the variances are reasonable.

[1:55:54] Planner: The variances are assessed as minor and or non impactful.

[1:55:59] Planner: The proposed variances do not challenge the intent of the regulation.

[1:56:03] Planner: And the variances would allow for the completion of the subdivision, which would configure

[1:56:07] Planner: the properties with improved land use outcomes.

[1:56:09] Planner: That's my summary.

[1:56:11] Trustee Luckham: very good thank you very much phil for the report and thank you very much for joining us

[1:56:15] Trustee Luckham: electronically today very much appreciated and uh actually thank the i.t people for getting a zoom

[1:56:21] Trustee Luckham: working earlier that's awesome and uh i'll turn to the applicant to see if he has any additional

[1:56:27] Trustee Luckham: remarks and you concur with the decision the recommendation uh

[1:56:31] Voice 6: yeah i uh i think stop

[1:56:34] Voice 6: reporters uh very complete i appreciate your time okay

[1:56:38] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much trustees do you have any

[1:56:40] Trustee Luckham: questions for the staff or the applicant

[1:56:42] Voice 18: laura patrick i

[1:56:46] Voice 4: just have one question on and i

[1:56:48] Voice 4: understand the two lots and uh i understand the variance although i had to read it a few times

[1:56:52] Voice 4: in the permit to truly understand the way it's worded it's just a long sentence there um

[1:57:02] Voice 4: have i guess have you paid your parcel tax on whole

[1:57:06] Voice 4: parcels so that you have access to north salt spring water um

[1:57:09] Voice 6: that process uh would not take

[1:57:13] Voice 6: place apparently from my understanding and like you corrected uh they're not accurate is uh would

[1:57:19] Voice 6: take place when the uh redrawing of the lot lines took place so subsequent to that happening so at

[1:57:27] Voice 6: this time no we're just paying one water improvement tax for the for the both parcels

[1:57:35] Voice 6: is that accurate way to say that yeah it's um we're uh yeah we're paying one connection if

[1:57:45] Voice 6: you won't have one connection fee at this time so if if the lot was uh was redefined in the way that

[1:57:52] Voice 6: we're we're asking for it to be done then there would be a um i guess it's called a capital cost

[1:57:59] Voice 6: improvement fee that would be paid by us and then the secondary water source would be approved at that time.

[1:58:09] Voice 6: It's approved contingent on the lot line being redrawn. Does that make sense?

[1:58:16] Voice 4: I guess so, yeah, because the moratorium and all these weirdnesses and this variance is in relationship to the community water service.

[1:58:27] Voice 4: So I just wanted to, I guess that does that affect that?

[1:58:31] Voice 4: I guess I'll put my question toward Phil, I guess that.

[1:58:36] Planner: Yeah. Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[1:58:40] Planner: My understanding is,

[1:58:42] Planner: and I'm just sort of looking for the letter from the North Salt Spring

[1:58:46] Planner: Waterworks District,

[1:58:47] Planner: but as Mr.

[1:58:47] Planner: Missender is indicating that they have pre-approval contingent on a

[1:58:52] Planner: successful subdivision. So for a second connection.

[1:58:56] Voice 4: That was my only question then.

[1:58:58] Trustee Luckham: Great. Good question. Okay. So if there's no further discussion, does somebody want to make a motion?

[1:59:06] Trustee Luckham: Jeff, go ahead.

[1:59:07] Voice 4: I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve Issues and Development Variance Permit Application, SSDVP 2022.8.

[1:59:15] Trustee Luckham: And I'll second that.

[1:59:16] Trustee Luckham: So moved and seconded. Any further discussion? No?

[1:59:21] Trustee Luckham: I'm just going to go in reading the variance, you know, I found the original configuration remarkable.

[1:59:27] Trustee Luckham: remarkable and this new configuration is so superior we

[1:59:31] Voice 6: found the same uh from from looking

[1:59:35] Voice 6: into the file so appreciate your time yeah anyway

[1:59:39] Trustee Luckham: all those in favor and that carries thank you very

[1:59:42] Trustee Luckham: much thank you good luck with that project um the next one um is 17.2 on page 111 salt spring

[1:59:51] Trustee Luckham: Spring Development Permit 2021 and Salt Spring Development Variance Permit 2021.13.

[1:59:57] Trustee Luckham: And that's both.

[1:59:58] Trustee Luckham: Fossum, is it?

[2:00:00] Trustee Luckham: um uh aurora professional group um for 371 isabella point road um we did hear some remarks

[2:00:08] Trustee Luckham: from the public um during the town hall and um is that geordie gordon are you going to

[2:00:15] Trustee Luckham: take us on this one and is the applicant in the room hello okay good so you've just seen the

[2:00:20] Trustee Luckham: process we'll get the report and we'll hear from you and then we'll have a conversation here there

[2:00:24] Trustee Luckham: maybe some questions for you okay let's go ahead uh thank you

[2:00:30] Voice 8: chair um yeah as you've mentioned and

[2:00:32] Voice 8: as you've heard from previous uh speakers at town hall the dp and dvp 371 is well point road

[2:00:40] Voice 8: and the dp an aspect of the variance permit is to allow an existing retaining wall turning in place

[2:00:47] Voice 8: on the foreshore um has been in place for some time uh exactly that part i'm entirely sure but

[2:00:55] Voice 8: there was a compliance file in 2008 related to it other aspects of the variance permit are for

[2:01:03] Voice 8: a proposed field to be located closer to the natural boundary of the seed and is permitted

[2:01:09] Voice 8: by the bylaw that's 30 meters down to 15. um in support of the application the applicant has

[2:01:15] Voice 8: provided a report from septic engineer who is the applicant brad um as well as a couple of

[2:01:22] Voice 8: memos from a geotechnical engineer as well as a registered professional biologist report

[2:01:27] Voice 8: um i'll let brad speak more about the location of the septic but from the report um the site

[2:01:34] Voice 8: for the proposed septic achieves a setback from existing drinking water wells that are upslope

[2:01:41] Voice 8: of the property and so that's to reduce interference with that and then the

[2:01:49] Voice 8: The report from the RP Bio is intended to address some remediation concerns, vegetation

[2:01:57] Voice 8: on the foreshore.

[2:01:58] Voice 8: So that's a planting plan that would seek to establish some native species on the property.

[2:02:08] Voice 8: So as you heard at the town hall, there are community concerns with the proposed variance

[2:02:13] Voice 8: and DP.

[2:02:15] Voice 8: Staff do have concerns about the DP as well, the armoring of the wall doesn't meet a lot

[2:02:20] Voice 8: of the development from the three guidelines in relation to that.

[2:02:24] Voice 8: However, the applicant did provide the engineering report sort of stating that it's better for

[2:02:29] Voice 8: the wall to remain in place than to remove it.

[2:02:33] Voice 8: There is an option provided if the LTC would like further information on different approaches

[2:02:38] Voice 8: to dealing with shoreline stabilization in keeping with Green Shore's principles.

[2:02:43] Voice 8: principles there's a motion to do that um so in addition to what you heard today at town hall

[2:02:50] Voice 8: staff did receive the phone call although the applicant or the caller was unwilling to sort

[2:02:55] Voice 8: of put forward this to the LCC there's concerns around contamination in the um as you heard at

[2:03:01] Voice 8: town halls also just an additional call on that one and so I could not hear what you were just

[2:03:05] Voice 8: saying so I did receive another call the caller didn't really want to sort of put their information

[2:03:09] Voice 8: out there but i will just say i did receive concern around contamination as a result of

[2:03:15] Voice 8: the location of the septic field additional to what you heard at town hall and the letter that

[2:03:21] Voice 8: was submitted so we didn't have a letter to that not a letter to that fact no um so in i guess in

[2:03:31] Voice 8: summary um the proposed variance i think perhaps makes the most of that situation and that there's

[2:03:41] Voice 8: no great location for septic fuel in that property. If it was to achieve the setback to the sea it

[2:03:47] Voice 8: would interfere with existing drinking water wells. We'll get into that further. And then the

[2:03:53] Voice 8: DP for the wall is really based on the geotechnical report stating that it's better for it to remain

[2:03:58] Voice 8: in place than to remove it. But there's that, as I stated, there's that alternative resolution

[2:04:04] Voice 8: to explore different options for shoreline stabilization that would remove the armoring

[2:04:09] Voice 8: on the wall happy

[2:04:12] Voice 8: to take any questions okay

[2:04:15] Trustee Luckham: thank you planer gordon so uh sir did you have

[2:04:21] Trustee Luckham: any additional remarks that you'd like to make um and uh do you concur with the recommendation

[2:04:28] Trustee Luckham: that staff have by your best year today

[2:04:31] Voice 7: um additional remarks are just the owner could

[2:04:35] Voice 7: Gareth J. Could you speak up a little bit.

[2:04:36] Voice 7: Gareth J. The owners of Jeff and Tara monitor so just let's hear it to you it's not me and represented them because I was.

[2:04:46] Voice 7: Gareth J. And this application for the septic and then all these other issues kind of added on to it, so.

[2:04:53] Voice 7: Gareth J. i'm sorry you an

[2:04:54] Voice 7: engineer yeah okay.

[2:04:57] Voice 7: Gareth J. So my specialty isn't in rock walls or the geo engineer that's where Isaac after their two.

[2:05:04] Voice 7: memos there so I can't really answer too many questions about the rock wall right but if you

[2:05:10] Voice 7: have anything related to the septic system then I can do my best okay great well thank you then

[2:05:15] Voice 7: okay

[2:05:16] Voice 11: so trustees questions

[2:05:19] Voice 18: comments you would like to go first first yeah

[2:05:25] Voice 4: first of all during

[2:05:27] Voice 4: During your report, you talked about a 2008 compliance file on that wall?

[2:05:36] Voice 8: Yeah, I think, yeah, the cross-reference in the tail page of the file was a file I'm

[2:05:43] Voice 8: of course, went down in 2008 that was shut down and then looks like it was reopened in

[2:05:49] Voice 8: 2021.

[2:05:51] Voice 12: And so why was it shut down?

[2:05:55] Voice 8: I could guess, but I couldn't say for sure.

[2:05:58] Voice 8: so i'd be reluctant to say why it seemed like there was no easy solution to the enforcement

[2:06:03] Voice 8: issue at the time okay and so it was sort of and

[2:06:06] Trustee Luckham: indeed the alice trust has changed its

[2:06:08] Trustee Luckham: understanding of all of that it's since then probably

[2:06:11] Voice 8: it is a challenging wealth issue

[2:06:13] Voice 8: of development permit for because the guidelines are okay would speak to a different approach okay

[2:06:20] Voice 4: on page 153 of the of the agenda package kathy reimer's report in the first paragraph it says

[2:06:29] Voice 4: the house at the top of the lot near the roadway but that's not what the drawing showed

[2:06:35] Voice 15: so i was

[2:06:36] Voice 4: just trying to confirm right location of the house i

[2:06:45] Voice 7: was there with her for two of her visits

[2:06:49] Voice 7: So I think for the most part she was probably looking just at the drawing shows the building is on the top half of the building but it couldn't be at the top of this site because that's where the thing is so I don't.

[2:07:03] Voice 7: Yeah,

[2:07:04] Voice 4: I thought maybe it was driveways, but she wasn't using a roadway in the third paragraph.

[2:07:08] Voice 4: In the third paragraph, she references the beach as shellfish habitat being suitable for restoration.

[2:07:16] Voice 4: It's kind of ironic today

[2:07:17] Voice 4: that the site that she's talking about, just a kilometer or so

[2:07:23] Voice 4: down the beach, Parks Canada is out there sampling today of that plant garden location.

[2:07:36] Voice 4: So I'm concerned about, I know there's other septic fields in the area, but First Nations

[2:08:01] Voice 4: The other professional reports, they both indicate shallow groundwater and do recommend various various controls, you know, for example, on page 140 they talked about available dispersive field has been observed to have a significant amount of

[2:08:20] Voice 4: of seasonal shallow groundwater

[2:08:21] Voice 4: to see them interflow from the southwest.

[2:08:25] Voice 4: And they talk about neighboring wells are shallow

[2:08:28] Voice 4: and flow artesianally.

[2:08:29] Voice 4: So it sounds like water is flowing through that property

[2:08:32] Voice 4: all the time, very effective.

[2:08:36] Voice 4: So those two facts of being, you know,

[2:08:41] Voice 4: restoration potential for the harvesting of shellfish

[2:08:46] Voice 4: and large volumes of water coming through the site,

[2:08:52] Voice 5: i'm you know concerned with the you know the 30 30 meter setback and

[2:08:58] Voice 4: um on this property

[2:09:02] Voice 5: and also tree cutting there

[2:09:06] Voice 4: are photographs of what looks like fairly recent tree stump cuts so i

[2:09:11] Voice 4: you know i take it trees have been cut on the property in in the development permit area i

[2:09:19] Voice 8: think that was maybe brad can correct me too i think that was done immediately prior to a site

[2:09:24] Voice 8: visit that i conducted and i think it was mentioned in one of the raza reports

[2:09:31] Trustee Luckham: actually i used to keep the conversation at this table um yeah out of respect for the applicant

[2:09:43] Voice 20: i can't

[2:09:44] Voice 5: commit

[2:09:48] Trustee Luckham: to anything at this time and i think at the moment i want to go to the

[2:09:52] Trustee Luckham: a representative for the applicant to answer the question so

[2:09:56] Voice 7: i think there was one stump down there

[2:09:58] Voice 7: that was cut before their ownership because they bought it at the end of 2020 i believe

[2:10:05] Voice 7: and then one of them they did too and it was a bit disputable i think it was a spooky tree that

[2:10:11] Voice 7: yeah wasn't a large tree but i think they cut that before they were fully aware of

[2:10:18] Voice 7: I mean,

[2:10:20] Voice 4: that's a whole other issue of why we

[2:10:22] Voice 4: have properties transferring and people

[2:10:24] Voice 4: don't know about development permits.

[2:10:27] Voice 4: I'm considering an article, another article, but that's not going to help future buyers.

[2:10:34] Voice 4: So I think that's, yeah, I am concerned, I am concerned, read the reports there, it says

[2:10:43] Voice 4: removing it, I know these are hard, I know it's a challenging site.

[2:10:48] Voice 5: um but we don't have very much

[2:10:55] Voice 4: shellfish potential beaches around this island as much as we might

[2:11:00] Voice 4: probably definitely clean one

[2:11:02] Voice 4: clean it's not clean but we have to think of the future being

[2:11:06] Voice 4: our aim is that they should be becoming clean not maintaining dirty um

[2:11:19] Voice 5: So did you have a comment.

[2:11:21] Voice 7: Yeah, regarding the 10 meter setback area, I guess, the riparian

[2:11:27] Voice 7: setback area. Unfortunately, too, with prior developments, I mean, it wasn't these trees

[2:11:33] Voice 7: that we were concerned about. Prior developments have taken out all the natural vegetation

[2:11:38] Voice 7: and shrubbery, right? So right now, there

[2:11:41] Voice 7: isn't any natural vegetation there really

[2:11:44] Voice 7: other than blackberries which is native and a little bit of native species so i think that is

[2:11:52] Voice 7: also our reason for having kathy out right so she helped us understand how do you make this better

[2:11:58] Voice 7: right

[2:11:59] Voice 4: yeah and that's my next point um so one is the setback and frustrating to me but um in the

[2:12:10] Voice 4: development permit on page 144 permit requirement 3.4.1 it does require that the qep look at the

[2:12:20] Voice 4: site over three years but it says a report could happen within a year i think this is

[2:12:25] Voice 4: pretty substantial planting that's happening on this property and i was you

[2:12:29] Voice 5: know i would prefer

[2:12:30] Voice 5: that we could maximize the report into the

[2:12:35] Voice 4: third year so that we know that the plants are really

[2:12:39] Voice 4: establishing because the way that's written the person could come next year sign off a report

[2:12:46] Voice 4: and there's no way of making them come back after the third year to check to see if it's

[2:12:50] Voice 4: done so if it's a third year requirement can we can we just make it happen

[2:12:57] Voice 15: yeah

[2:13:01] Voice 8: through the chair

[2:13:02] Voice 8: i think that there's no in my conversations with the qep i don't think there's there would be an

[2:13:07] Voice 8: issue in specifying when you wanted the reporting done i did want to make sure that it wasn't

[2:13:13] Voice 8: done like it was a minimum of a year away if you prefer it to be additional annually or

[2:13:22] Voice 8: at one year and up at three years i think there's you could make that amendment i don't i don't

[2:13:27] Voice 8: foresee a big issue with that reporting being done is

[2:13:30] Voice 4: the permit strong enough so if they did

[2:13:33] Voice 4: say three years they write the report and say it all died um are they obligated to replant

[2:13:41] Voice 8: well i mean they would be at odds with the permit there would be issues that could be

[2:13:46] Voice 8: subjected by law enforcement to get them to do it the development premier three doesn't

[2:13:52] Voice 8: permit staff to recommend uh security that's to ensure that landscaping is survived

[2:14:02] Voice 5: but they would be in compliance with the approved dp um and if i could add just from reading how

[2:14:12] Voice 7: 3.4.2 has been added too. It does give a lot of discretion to the QAP for whatever

[2:14:19] Voice 7: future monitoring may be required to ensure that conditions maintain. That's how

[2:14:25] Voice 5: I do it.

[2:14:31] Voice 4: That's the most questions right now. Okay

[2:14:33] Voice 12: Peter, do you have a question?

[2:14:34] Trustee Grove: I'm feeling somewhat

[2:14:35] Trustee Grove: uncomfortable about this. My instinct is that it's not all positive. I understand

[2:14:43] Trustee Grove: i understand not wanting to knock down the existing wall that's knocking it down and

[2:14:48] Trustee Grove: suddenly you propose more disruption than leaving it as it is um so to some degree i understand that

[2:14:56] Trustee Grove: i do not understand the uh reducing the natural setback from 30 meters to 15 meters that strikes

[2:15:03] Trustee Grove: strikes me as, what's that?

[2:15:06] Trustee Grove: Is

[2:15:07] Voice 4: it not to zero?

[2:15:08] Voice 4: Septic system.

[2:15:10] Voice 4: Yeah, it's the septic system.

[2:15:12] Voice 4: The wall is to zero.

[2:15:13] Trustee Grove: Yeah, and the wall is to zero.

[2:15:15] Trustee Grove: I mean, and that bothers me also.

[2:15:17] Trustee Grove: So I'm still churning this through my mind

[2:15:20] Trustee Grove: that I'm not feeling good about it.

[2:15:22] Voice 5: Right.

[2:15:24] Voice 5: Is that it?

[2:15:25] Trustee Grove: No.

[2:15:26] Trustee Luckham: So I'll maybe make a few remarks as well.

[2:15:31] Trustee Luckham: I read this really carefully.

[2:15:35] Trustee Luckham: i just can't help but focus on that

[2:15:41] Voice 18: this is a tiny lot in the scheme of things

[2:15:44] Voice 18: um it's a half an acre if i'm

[2:15:47] Trustee Luckham: not mistaken and um so and there's a lot potentially going on there's

[2:15:55] Trustee Luckham: a lot of land disturbance um necessary in order to fix the property to make it uh usable for the

[2:16:04] Trustee Luckham: that property owners needs.

[2:16:09] Trustee Luckham: I'm in favor of retaining the wall

[2:16:14] Trustee Luckham: only because of the disturbance

[2:16:17] Trustee Luckham: that would be created in removing it.

[2:16:20] Voice 15: If

[2:16:21] Trustee Luckham: somebody came to me with a plan,

[2:16:22] Trustee Luckham: remediation plan that removes the rock wall

[2:16:25] Trustee Luckham: in a process of working with fisheries and oceans

[2:16:29] Trustee Luckham: to make sure the disturbance and stuff is minimal

[2:16:32] Trustee Luckham: minimum, and was able to bring it to a green shore sort of a standard, I would certainly

[2:16:41] Trustee Luckham: entertain that. But in respect of the other work on the property, and the LTC will decide

[2:16:47] Trustee Luckham: one way or the other what it wants to allow or not, I would say that at the moment, I

[2:16:52] Trustee Luckham: would leave that rock wall because of the additional damage that would happen. But that

[2:16:59] Trustee Luckham: That said, you know, when I introduce all these meetings, I'm grateful to be here in

[2:17:03] Trustee Luckham: Coast Salish Territory, and I talk about the long history, thousands of years since time

[2:17:09] Trustee Luckham: immemorial.

[2:17:10] Trustee Luckham: If that rock wall was pulled out tomorrow with no concern about the damage in a thousand

[2:17:16] Trustee Luckham: years, it'll be a better place.

[2:17:19] Trustee Luckham: But the other thing, and I'm not an expert in this by any stretch of the imagination,

[2:17:23] Trustee Luckham: But I look at that beach from the photos that are here, and that property, I would suggest, actually stuck out probably as far as that cobble rock and stuff is, much further than what it is now.

[2:17:38] Trustee Luckham: And over the thousands of years, that has eroded, and that's the natural process, is that is eroding that shoreline through winter storms and the like.

[2:17:47] Trustee Luckham: and it's just and because it's so uh uh delicate already and in terms of sloughing off in other

[2:17:54] Trustee Luckham: areas we heard that's sort of the natural progression of the environment so indeed

[2:17:59] Trustee Luckham: you know if if uh in in another thousand years that rock as soon climate change through sea

[2:18:05] Trustee Luckham: level rise that rock wall will be underwater it won't matter it'll be a fish habitat it'll be

[2:18:09] Trustee Luckham: great and so will the rest of the property so that's my broader perspective on this

[2:18:14] Voice 5: um one way or the other um

[2:18:22] Trustee Luckham: some significant replanting needs to happen there that takes

[2:18:25] Trustee Luckham: into long-term objectives of recreating the shade and the natural environment that would

[2:18:31] Trustee Luckham: have been there originally that protected the shoreline and protected the forage fish

[2:18:37] Trustee Luckham: and all those sort of things because that's the environmental model that we now

[2:18:40] Trustee Luckham: use in understanding the relationship to the upland property to the near shore marine environment

[2:18:47] Trustee Luckham: and so because indeed if you want to prevent further erosion and i think this is sound you

[2:18:57] Trustee Luckham: know i've learned a lot in the years i'm not an expert but i've learned a lot i think that sound

[2:19:01] Trustee Luckham: water absorption measures and retention of existing trees and plants on the shoreline

[2:19:09] Trustee Luckham: absorbs the water that is naturally running off to that property and slows the erosion process down

[2:19:16] Trustee Luckham: I think in its present condition, it's likely continuing to erode.

[2:19:22] Trustee Luckham: And I wasn't 100% sure in my reading, but it also indicates that there has been a little

[2:19:27] Trustee Luckham: landslip at the foot of the property.

[2:19:29] Trustee Luckham: Is that correct?

[2:19:30] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[2:19:30] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[2:19:30] Trustee Luckham: So I think that is indicative of what the future holds for that property in its present

[2:19:36] Trustee Luckham: condition.

[2:19:37] Voice 7: I think in some ways that landslip too, because of the legacy development stuff that happened

[2:19:43] Voice 7: there um is is uh exacerbated with all the groundwater yeah coming through right so it's

[2:19:50] Voice 7: in a somewhat loose state and it's actually somewhat being retained now with that rock wall

[2:19:56] Voice 7: yeah

[2:19:57] Trustee Luckham: and you know i've seen this on other gulf islands i remember development on north pender

[2:20:01] Trustee Luckham: where there was a waterfront property that they had some issues with and they were trying to

[2:20:05] Trustee Luckham: redevelop it but if you go back into the archives that entire property was clear cut at one time and

[2:20:12] Trustee Luckham: And there was farming that happened there.

[2:20:13] Trustee Luckham: And in that time, nobody considered the water flow

[2:20:17] Trustee Luckham: to those properties.

[2:20:18] Trustee Luckham: There was no water management, no water redirecting.

[2:20:21] Trustee Luckham: And I suspect that that might be some similar activity.

[2:20:25] Trustee Luckham: There's a road there that goes through

[2:20:26] Trustee Luckham: and there's properties on the other side of the road.

[2:20:28] Trustee Luckham: And that development has impacted the water flow

[2:20:32] Trustee Luckham: through there.

[2:20:33] Trustee Luckham: And this property being the last to be developed,

[2:20:36] Trustee Luckham: I'll call it, is maybe taking the brunt of the impact

[2:20:40] Trustee Luckham: impact from the history. So those are just general remarks. And you're perhaps an expert

[2:20:47] Trustee Luckham: here. And I have two kind of expert questions. When you and in fact, I'll direct this to

[2:20:52] Trustee Luckham: Planner Gordon. Because I would suggest I'm not interested in the septic field at the foot of

[2:20:59] Trustee Luckham: property. I think that's a mistake. I'm much more interested in the septic field being the furthest

[2:21:04] Trustee Luckham: this back the option three I think it was but the advice is that's going to impact the wells

[2:21:09] Trustee Luckham: so from the and I gotta say the resolution of the quality of the images in our report didn't allow

[2:21:17] Trustee Luckham: me to drill down into the what that text actually said on the drawing that shows the option three

[2:21:22] Trustee Luckham: septic filled with the wells there's two circles and I wasn't sure whether the two circles was the

[2:21:28] Trustee Luckham: the acceptable distance from the well and the scalloped out pieces at each end of that

[2:21:34] Trustee Luckham: option three septic field was reducing the size of the septic field compared to other drawings

[2:21:39] Trustee Luckham: that we had in previous pictures that didn't actually have the wells overlaid on it. So it's

[2:21:46] Trustee Luckham: hard for me to tell, but it does strike me that that septic field, I don't know what the geography

[2:21:52] Trustee Luckham: is like. Could it be reconfigured to fit in between the acceptable distances of the well?

[2:21:57] Trustee Luckham: well, maybe it ends up compromising the roadway that's there,

[2:22:00] Trustee Luckham: but maybe there's something that happened with the roadway.

[2:22:03] Trustee Luckham: And then, of

[2:22:03] Trustee Luckham: course, the leading question is,

[2:22:05] Trustee Luckham: given this is going to be incredibly expensive to develop, I think,

[2:22:09] Trustee Luckham: from what do I know, but is it possible that,

[2:22:15] Trustee Luckham: is there ability for us to suggest or recommend

[2:22:18] Trustee Luckham: or ask the applicant to come back to us to work with his neighbors

[2:22:22] Trustee Luckham: to have their wells moved?

[2:22:23] Trustee Luckham: It seems to me their well is being moved to a better location

[2:22:27] Trustee Luckham: in order to facilitate a septic field in a better location

[2:22:30] Trustee Luckham: would be better for everyone.

[2:22:31] Trustee Luckham: But I don't know if that's possible.

[2:22:35] Trustee Luckham: I can give you some context.

[2:22:38] Voice 8: You want me to give us some context?

[2:22:40] Voice 8: I don't have, I mean, I think you can request

[2:22:45] Voice 8: that the applicant do what you'd like related

[2:22:48] Voice 8: if it's related to the application,

[2:22:49] Voice 8: whether or not they're able to accomplish that.

[2:22:51] Voice 8: Yeah, okay,

[2:22:52] Voice 12: so then that's fine.

[2:22:54] Voice 12: So did you have some remark about that?

[2:22:56] Voice 7: I do. So I guess in some way, we work with the setbacks most of the time with the Ministry of Health setbacks, which is 15 meters for an ocean, but 30 meters for a well.

[2:23:15] Voice 7: If we need to depart from that 15 meter setback to the ocean, then we do things like improving treatment, including groundwater monitoring for things like nitrates and phosphates and fecals and that.

[2:23:28] Voice 7: and we require the owners to do monitoring on that to make sure that a performance objective is met.

[2:23:36] Voice 7: When we need to encroach within the 30-meter setback it's a little bit more of a rigorous study

[2:23:41] Voice 7: it requires hydrogeology assessments and we can

[2:23:46] Voice 7: change that setback from 30 meters to

[2:23:48] Voice 7: whatever is safe from that study again with the same requirements that probably

[2:23:55] Voice 7: probably some sort of treatment system,

[2:23:57] Voice 7: probably it would be some sort of groundwater monitoring.

[2:24:00] Voice 7: So it's a possibility to reduce that setback to the wells,

[2:24:08] Voice 7: but not necessarily, it would require further study.

[2:24:12] Voice 7: And both outcomes of reducing either setback

[2:24:17] Voice 7: probably require the same thing,

[2:24:19] Voice 7: a treatment system with groundwater monitoring.

[2:24:24] Voice 7: yeah I can kind of blow up this image if you wanted to see it a little more oh that's okay

[2:24:29] Trustee Luckham: I think I've got a grasp of it it was just a little trouble because I'm sort of in favor of

[2:24:36] Trustee Luckham: either of the other two septic fields and I would honestly prefer the one at the back and if this

[2:24:42] Trustee Luckham: it's necessary for you to come back to us with the reconfiguration I would be pleased to see

[2:24:47] Trustee Luckham: that if it helps I don't want to hinder the development in that property necessarily

[2:24:51] Trustee Luckham: necessarily but I do want to try and do the right thing especially from the recording what I

[2:24:56] Trustee Luckham: reading I'm kind of following along Laura's uh notion there there's a

[2:25:01] Trustee Luckham: lot of water the rest of

[2:25:02] Trustee Luckham: that property just because of the sedentary nature of the of the of the area and that's why I say

[2:25:08] Trustee Luckham: there's an incredible expense with digging these one meter deep trenches and all this other stuff

[2:25:13] Trustee Luckham: to try and re-divert all that kind of stuff um and I wonder you know um I'm familiar with uh

[2:25:23] Trustee Luckham: Ms. Reimer's work.

[2:25:25] Trustee Luckham: She does amazing work in the Gulf Islands.

[2:25:32] Trustee Luckham: And I don't know, does her portfolio include her being a landscape professional,

[2:25:39] Trustee Luckham: a plant selection type associated with the greatest, you know,

[2:25:45] Trustee Luckham: potentially the fastest growing and the greatest water absorption

[2:25:48] Trustee Luckham: and the greatest root structure to do the things that seem to be appropriate for that property?

[2:25:57] Voice 8: She's not a licensed landscape architect, no, but she is a registered biologist.

[2:26:05] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:26:06] Trustee Luckham: the only reason I ask that is because I maybe wonder if we shouldn't see a report of

[2:26:09] Trustee Luckham: that nature, a recommendation on the plants, and include that as part of the, if it's a covenant

[2:26:15] Trustee Luckham: that we'd have associated with that and then the only final remark is um although there's nothing

[2:26:22] Trustee Luckham: it's interesting um how this all unfolds but although there's no identified archaeological

[2:26:29] Trustee Luckham: site on that property um there are archaeological sites elsewhere it seems apparent that there's

[2:26:36] Trustee Luckham: potential clam garden existing clam garden habitat there whether or not we're using that

[2:26:42] Trustee Luckham: as a new thing or an old thing, I don't 100% know.

[2:26:47] Trustee Luckham: But I think that with the amount of development

[2:26:50] Trustee Luckham: that needs to happen, digging up along there,

[2:26:53] Trustee Luckham: there's potential for an unexpected find

[2:26:56] Trustee Luckham: and potential damage or destruction

[2:26:59] Trustee Luckham: or unearthing of loved ones, we say.

[2:27:03] Trustee Luckham: And I would think that,

[2:27:06] Trustee Luckham: and we've asked for this in the past,

[2:27:08] Trustee Luckham: when the excavation was going on,

[2:27:10] Trustee Luckham: we'd want a First Nations monitor.

[2:27:12] Trustee Luckham: to make sure that if something happens, it stops and that disturbance is not made worse than it

[2:27:19] Trustee Luckham: has to be. And there'd be a remuneration necessary for that individual. It wouldn't be a lot

[2:27:24] Trustee Luckham: in consideration of the property. But I'm just not totally comfortable with that. And I can't

[2:27:30] Trustee Luckham: think I've said, if we want to advance this, I think that option three and some of these other

[2:27:35] Trustee Luckham: things, and maybe more information needs to come to us to help us make that decision.

[2:27:41] Trustee Luckham: It starts with being so lengthy, but I'm passionate about the marine environment.

[2:27:46] Trustee Grove: Quick question. We were told in the town hall about a stream.

[2:27:51] Trustee Grove: And where is the stream?

[2:27:53] Voice 7: So I don't know about the previous development history,

[2:27:57] Voice 7: but I do know that there is a four inch drain pipe that goes along the northern property line.

[2:28:06] Voice 7: so kind of a top there at that 61.07 uh yes and it drains right now to the ocean oh really so i

[2:28:18] Voice 7: don't know if at some time they tried to redirect it into that or if it's a groundwater drain or if

[2:28:25] Voice 7: it's some legacy other item but i do know that it does flow almost all year round you know there's

[2:28:31] Voice 7: still a trickle coming out of it in august but it's not doing it if it was a drain it's kind of

[2:28:37] Voice 7: what was my guess you know some sort of curtain drain that someone tried to put in it's not doing

[2:28:43] Voice 7: a very good job because that wet area in the middle yes is i mean it's on a slope even which

[2:28:49] Voice 7: traditionally you wouldn't see that or expect that but that stays wet into august too right

[2:28:54] Voice 7: this forest table they're just loving it there so and

[2:28:57] Trustee Grove: was that the landslip uh

[2:29:00] Voice 7: i don't know so

[2:29:02] Voice 7: the landslip I think it's lower right now it seems like there's a bit of landslip in this area here

[2:29:10] Voice 7: so there's been a bit of sloughing and this is quite steep there so it's starting if this was

[2:29:16] Voice 7: legacy filled it's starting to move towards the wall that means that the walls over that being

[2:29:24] Voice 7: said if you were to build a house here which is just a box I just wanted something box when you

[2:29:32] Voice 7: You remove the soil for that foundation there.

[2:29:36] Voice 7: You remove a lot of the loading that's on that area so that, I mean, you'd have to do

[2:29:43] Voice 7: this in conjunction with the geotech anyways, they're going to want to be there to ensure

[2:29:46] Voice 7: air and soil and all that, but a lot of this weight is removed, which takes a lot of stress

[2:29:51] Voice 7: off that area that's slipping.

[2:29:53] Voice 7: At the same time, you have to put in perimeter drains for all your houses, you have to have

[2:29:58] Voice 7: Do you have some concerns?

[2:30:00] Voice 7: for that groundwater right now moving through the site so we'd have upslope drains too to promote

[2:30:06] Voice 7: stability which would probably end up going to that northern pipe too and to the ocean where it

[2:30:14] Voice 5: was already going right let me have the

[2:30:22] Voice 12: questions no

[2:30:24] Trustee Grove: thank you i still have a gut feeling in my

[2:30:29] Trustee Grove: stomach this is not

[2:30:31] Voice 12: so do we have any hydrological information about what

[2:30:35] Trustee Luckham: the water flow water after

[2:30:37] Trustee Luckham: water courses are above the property and adjacent property like is that potentially a drain of a

[2:30:43] Trustee Luckham: natural water it's a steep city it's a hillside

[2:30:47] Trustee Luckham: there's

[2:30:48] Voice 4: a lot of relief

[2:30:50] Voice 4: between the waterfront and

[2:30:51] Voice 4: just right

[2:30:52] Voice 16: and

[2:30:54] Voice 7: it doesn't show up on any of our riparian maps that would have put it in

[2:30:58] Voice 7: Well,

[2:30:58] Trustee Luckham: no, yeah, and that's where I was going with, is that a potential riparian that could be restored or not, you know, but the soils and stuff wouldn't be suitable, so, yeah.

[2:31:09] Trustee Grove: And it's not feeding a fish-bearing stream, so it wouldn't be.

[2:31:12] Voice 7: Well,

[2:31:12] Voice 12: at the moment.

[2:31:15] Voice 7: So, that's, I think, how I've understood it from QEPs, too. I mean, right now, that four-inch drain that comes out, deposits onto the ground, you know, it comes at a slope that's straight up and down.

[2:31:26] Voice 7: So if you were to consider that to be fish-bearing, you'd have to...

[2:31:33] Voice 7: It has to be accessible.

[2:31:34] Voice 7: It has to be accessible. Yeah, yeah. I understood that.

[2:31:38] Trustee Luckham: Well, this is a big challenge all around.

[2:31:44] Trustee Luckham: And I guess I'll just toss in, while there's a bit of silence and we're thinking about this,

[2:31:50] Trustee Luckham: is I wasn't totally thrilled with the idea of a concrete pad adjacent to the house because

[2:31:54] Trustee Luckham: that's a non-permeable surface and normally we think about those things and it

[2:32:00] Voice 18: should be a

[2:32:00] Voice 18: permeable surface not a non-permeable surface that was on one of the drawings concrete pad next to

[2:32:08] Voice 18: the house for staging i

[2:32:10] Voice 7: think it said thank you for them to have a trailer next to it so right

[2:32:15] Voice 7: now they're both near retirement and this is the retirement home they've put the trailer there

[2:32:20] Voice 7: right now and the idea is eventually the trailer okay

[2:32:24] Voice 12: good but that could be done on gravel it

[2:32:28] Voice 12: wouldn't have to be concrete yeah yeah yeah sure so that's yeah that's the only stuff trustees so

[2:32:35] Voice 4: are we leaning toward asking for more information about removing the wall and and putting a septic

[2:32:43] Voice 4: field outside you know they're not requiring a variance to the back to the scene well i would

[2:32:53] Voice 12: just leave the wall

[2:32:54] Trustee Luckham: alone but definitely more information about expanding exploring the option

[2:33:01] Trustee Luckham: three well

[2:33:02] Voice 4: then no well then you just deny the variant you remove that you could issue the

[2:33:07] Voice 4: variance permit for the

[2:33:08] Voice 5: setbacks required for the yeah oh i see

[2:33:12] Voice 4: what you're saying yeah we just

[2:33:12] Voice 4: just

[2:33:13] Voice 5: modify the variance right okay let's do that yeah which um to okay

[2:33:30] Voice 8: so sorry just so i'm clear

[2:33:32] Voice 8: the intent would be to issue a variance for the wall and the dp for the wall but no variance for

[2:33:38] Voice 8: the septic is that on

[2:33:40] Voice 12: the waterfront on the waterfront

[2:33:42] Voice 12: yeah so it would be to is that right

[2:33:44] Voice 12: to approve it being option three well

[2:33:46] Voice 4: we don't need to refer to an

[2:33:48] Voice 12: option or

[2:33:50] Voice 12: we're not going

[2:33:52] Voice 12: to allow it on the water side yeah so

[2:33:55] Voice 8: that could be achieved if you were to remove if you were to

[2:34:00] Voice 8: amend the proposed permit to remove section 3.3 what

[2:34:05] Trustee Grove: page you on

[2:34:06] Voice 8: this is page 116. one one one

[2:34:09] Voice 8: 16 0. section 3.3 of the permit reads setbacks from water bodies water quality protection so if

[2:34:18] Voice 8: you removed if you amended the permit to remove that section it would not issue the variance for

[2:34:23] Voice 8: the septic but it would retain the variances for the well actually just remove

[2:34:29] Voice 12: that five points

[2:34:30] Voice 12: yeah so you'd

[2:34:32] Voice 8: still be approving the variances for the retaining walls um both at the shoreline

[2:34:38] Voice 8: and then the front of the property yeah but not for the

[2:34:42] Voice 5: septic field yeah so can we muster that

[2:34:51] Voice 5: into a motion and

[2:35:00] Trustee Luckham: from your perspective service that represented the applicant obviously that's

[2:35:04] Trustee Luckham: a path forward and so um you'll figure out how to make it work good job yeah perfect

[2:35:12] Voice 4: so that would be just it would be section 3.3 correct correct

[2:35:17] Voice 8: yeah i think you were

[2:35:19] Voice 8: yeah so before approving it to amend the post for me

[2:35:24] Voice 4: oops wait for rob to be ready he's going for the extraordinary pencil

[2:35:34] Voice 20: this

[2:35:34] Voice 8: computer for some reason has lost wi-fi connectivity i don't know

[2:35:38] Voice 8: and so if

[2:35:41] Voice 12: you want to

[2:35:41] Voice 12: see it here let us

[2:35:46] Voice 12: know when you're ready i could establish a hot spot maybe

[2:35:49] Voice 5: that's that's something

[2:35:52] Voice 5: we could try. Desktop, which I don't see it on this computer.

[2:36:23] Trustee Luckham: Otherwise there's another one there

[2:36:25] Trustee Luckham: that I don't actually know. It might say it's a cat 61.

[2:36:32] Voice 5: Password is trusting. I

[2:36:39] Voice 5: don't know that I even have the

[2:37:11] Voice 5: I'm good, I'm just getting to it, I'm just getting to it, so.

[2:37:37] Voice 4: SSDBP 2021.13, section

[2:37:47] Voice 5: 3.3.

[2:37:49] Voice 5: Don't go looking for one.

[2:37:52] Voice 5: Yeah,

[2:37:54] Voice 11: so just delete that.

[2:37:57] Voice 11: Well,

[2:37:59] Voice 5: we'll have to, oops, that's a projector connection?

[2:38:10] Voice 5: No, it's Wi-Fi.

[2:38:12] Voice 8: Oh,

[2:38:13] Trustee Luckham: you're Wi-Fi connected to the projector?

[2:38:16] Voice 8: No.

[2:38:19] Voice 5: You

[2:38:20] Voice 6: don't have to explain it.

[2:38:21] Voice 6: The remote desktop

[2:38:22] Voice 5: is 3.3.

[2:39:00] Voice 5: There's more to be said.

[2:39:01] Voice 8: Now I'm able to keep up to what we're working on.

[2:39:05] Voice 4: Do we need more description than that?

[2:39:07] Voice 4: Is that sufficient?

[2:39:09] Voice 8: I mean, if you want to be. I think I think it's enough. And you could name the section

[2:39:14] Voice 8: but I think that's good.

[2:39:17] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:39:22] Trustee Luckham: Before we maybe go to seconding that motion. Does anybody else have concerns about the

[2:39:32] Trustee Luckham: what says on the drawing concrete bad rather than a permeable surface for this. The trailer

[2:39:37] Trustee Luckham: next adjacent

[2:39:38] Voice 11: to the house but

[2:39:39] Trustee Grove: it's called a huge pad

[2:39:40] Voice 11: it's as big as the house it's a half the size

[2:39:43] Voice 11: of the house well it it's that's like coverage lock coverage so that's yeah

[2:39:50] Voice 8: so there's there

[2:39:51] Voice 8: would be limited ability i think for this for that to be prevented um it's paving so it's not subject

[2:39:59] Voice 8: to lot line setback considerations so there's nothing necessarily

[2:40:03] Voice 7: okay fair enough

[2:40:04] Voice 8: just for

[2:40:06] Voice 7: your interest though i would take that back to the owners

[2:40:08] Voice 7: too because i think that's a good idea

[2:40:10] Voice 7: yeah okay

[2:40:10] Trustee Grove: thank you appreciate it also got that permeable paving whatever it's called yeah rather

[2:40:15] Trustee Grove: than grabbing

[2:40:16] Voice 7: yeah we can even get something this is a lot of this better diffusion than yeah yeah

[2:40:21] Voice 11: okay great so i'm satisfied so is that the motion you intend yeah so

[2:40:27] Voice 11: do you have a second absolutely

[2:40:28] Voice 11: second about peter grove all those into any all those offenses yeah yeah okay i

[2:40:33] Voice 4: wanted to make

[2:40:34] Voice 4: an amendment to the dp as well um

[2:40:37] Trustee Luckham: okay so should we then uh approve the dvp as amended and then

[2:40:45] Trustee Luckham: you want to make an amendment to the dp yeah

[2:40:50] Voice 4: so whatever you want to go is that

[2:40:54] Trustee Luckham: correct phil will

[2:40:55] Trustee Luckham: need to now approve the dvp as amended correct

[2:40:59] Voice 8: yeah it would probably be make the most sense

[2:41:03] Voice 8: sequentially

[2:41:04] Voice 5: to approve it yeah yeah yeah sure

[2:41:14] Voice 5: the salt spring

[2:41:16] Voice 4: island local trust committee

[2:41:17] Voice 4: approved ssdbp 2021.13 as amended i'll

[2:41:22] Voice 11: second that perfect okay move seconded in discussion

[2:41:26] Trustee Luckham: all those in favor that carries excellent so you have an amendment to the dp well i

[2:41:33] Voice 4: i just have to figure out how it's the report the way it's written is yes uh

[2:41:40] Voice 4: It says three years, but the way it's written,

[2:41:50] Voice 4: QEP just has to write a second report,

[2:41:54] Voice 4: but they could technically visit within a year.

[2:41:57] Voice 4: So I just wanted to come up with three years.

[2:42:01] Voice 4: So I guess I'll look

[2:42:04] Voice 4: to how

[2:42:07] Voice 5: to best say that.

[2:42:15] Voice 8: so you're looking at section three three four three

[2:42:18] Voice 8: four one specifically there's three there

[2:42:21] Voice 4: that relate to it but yeah it's it's three four one is in particular it says but not earlier than

[2:42:27] Voice 4: one year but then you know and then the third one says about the second report so

[2:42:33] Voice 5: so they have to

[2:42:34] Voice 4: look at it planting and then if they came up one year later

[2:42:37] Voice 4: they could technically meet in

[2:42:39] Voice 4: terms of the permit.

[2:42:42] Voice 12: And should this be annual?

[2:42:47] Voice 4: I'm open to whatever, but I'm trying not to rewrite the permit,

[2:42:52] Voice 4: just that at least we get a report in three years that the vegetation is.

[2:42:58] Trustee Grove: And may I ask, how is this enforced?

[2:43:04] Voice 8: Typically, it goes into follow-up, a bring-forward system,

[2:43:10] Voice 8: where at a period of time, I guess in this case would be three years, that it would be noted in the application,

[2:43:18] Voice 8: that it would come forward, and then whoever is the planner at that time would check in with the owner

[2:43:25] Voice 8: to ensure that the requirements, the DQR, have been upheld.

[2:43:29] Voice 8: And if they haven't?

[2:43:32] Voice 8: Then they would be required to address the deficiencies,

[2:43:38] Voice 8: and that would then potentially be a job

[2:43:41] Voice 8: for compliance and enforcement as well.

[2:43:44] Voice 5: If they're not meeting the terms of the issue DP.

[2:43:53] Trustee Luckham: So should that just say that required a time of planting

[2:43:56] Trustee Luckham: and then a visit in the third year?

[2:44:05] Voice 5: You could put a

[2:44:06] Voice 4: minimum of one visit

[2:44:09] Voice 18: in the third year.

[2:44:11] Voice 4: And a report and well, but then it says,

[2:44:17] Voice 4: the i mean 3.4.3 says it should issue a letter stating that you know the the conditions from that

[2:44:29] Voice 5: so yeah that's a good question actually

[2:44:33] Voice 7: that's good yeah now getting familiar with your soil

[2:44:36] Voice 7: permit process this kind of seems similar to that in a way i don't think this is a silly idea

[2:44:43] Voice 7: i don't know if you could use that for this even though it doesn't it's not

[2:44:47] Voice 7: vegetation related it's more placement of fill related or you had something similar to what the

[2:44:54] Voice 7: soil permit does that if I as a professional would sign off on the soil permit if my conditions aren't

[2:44:59] Voice 7: being met they can report to the Iowa's trust I don't know something about there but it doesn't

[2:45:05] Voice 4: I mean this is just an issue of wording of when when does the QEP issue the letter

[2:45:11] Voice 4: based on what inspection

[2:45:13] Voice 5: so

[2:45:16] Voice 8: just for clarity you'd like the report at the three years from the time

[2:45:20] Voice 8: of planting well

[2:45:22] Voice 4: that's the the letter that comes to us as a result of 3.4.3 should indicate that

[2:45:29] Voice 4: at three years the planting is alive and well that's that's the objective i just was worried

[2:45:38] Voice 4: the way

[2:45:38] Voice 4: 3.4.1 was worded

[2:45:40] Voice 15: that the

[2:45:41] Voice 4: qep could wait three years issue a letter and it was based on

[2:45:44] Voice 4: a report they did two years earlier so

[2:45:48] Voice 5: that i was just getting clarity so

[2:45:56] Voice 12: could you just change that

[2:45:57] Trustee Luckham: on the last line of that or it says not earlier than one year but change it to not earlier than

[2:46:02] Trustee Luckham: three years from the initial plan would

[2:46:05] Voice 5: that do it okay um so

[2:46:16] Voice 8: a minimum of one visit uh

[2:46:22] Voice 5: uh three years time from the date of this permit sure so that would be amending section 3.4.1

[2:46:37] Voice 5: should lead to the visit in prior to planting and then sorry

[2:46:46] Trustee Grove: may i interrupt us for a second

[2:46:47] Trustee Grove: aren't we saying we want the visit at the time of planting and then three years later

[2:46:51] Trustee Grove: yeah but

[2:46:52] Trustee Grove: then let's say that that's how i'm counting and then three years later

[2:46:54] Trustee Grove: i

[2:46:57] Voice 5: want to

[2:46:59] Voice 8: make sure that all the subsequent sections then make sense too

[2:47:05] Voice 5: right okay that'll make sense yeah okay yeah

[2:47:15] Voice 8: i think if you just changed 3.4.1 to eliminate

[2:47:20] Voice 8: the width uh within not earlier than one year if you just said uh within a period of time

[2:47:30] Voice 8: three

[2:47:30] Voice 5: years from the date of the initial planting yeah so

[2:47:39] Voice 15: take that out and then three years later

[2:47:49] Voice 5: time yeah that works and then that's right yeah the initiative okay that makes

[2:48:17] Voice 5: sense yeah look

[2:48:18] Voice 8: at

[2:48:18] Voice 5: planner gordon make sure he's happy right

[2:48:23] Voice 8: so there's no requirement then though between

[2:48:28] Voice 8: the initial and the three years so it's not going to necessarily be

[2:48:31] Voice 5: a site visit

[2:48:31] Voice 8: but if at three

[2:48:35] Voice 8: years there's an issue correct 3.4.2 says that the qep could require additional visits and that you

[2:48:43] Voice 8: get in your report yeah that's it that

[2:48:45] Voice 4: makes sense thank

[2:48:46] Voice 8: you i'll

[2:48:48] Voice 4: move that cells behind

[2:48:49] Voice 4: local trust committee and then ssdp 2021.8 by altering section 3.4.1 to to read as follows

[2:48:59] Voice 4: i think it's oh just to read i think just to say it to read as far as uh a qualified professional

[2:49:09] Voice 4: professional QEP visit is required at the time of planting and then at three years after

[2:49:15] Voice 4: the initial plantings.

[2:49:17] Voice 18: Second that.

[2:49:19] Voice 12: Okay, moved and seconded.

[2:49:20] Voice 12: All those in favour?

[2:49:22] Voice 12: That carries.

[2:49:23] Voice 12: Good.

[2:49:23] Voice 12: Now

[2:49:24] Voice 5: we need to approve

[2:49:25] Voice 5: the issues.

[2:49:26] Voice 5: Good.

[2:49:32] Voice 5: So now we need another motion to approve the issues of the DP.

[2:49:36] Voice 5: One more motion.

[2:49:38] Voice 5: Okay,

[2:49:42] Trustee Grove: I move that the Salisbury Analytical Trust may approve issuance of SSDP 2021.8

[2:49:49] Trustee Grove: as amended.

[2:49:50] Voice 5: I'll second that.

[2:49:52] Trustee Luckham: Seconded by any discussion?

[2:49:53] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[2:49:55] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[2:49:56] Trustee Luckham: Good.

[2:49:57] Trustee Luckham: So I think that concludes that application.

[2:50:00] Trustee Luckham: I want to thank you for your participation in this and your

[2:50:04] Voice 12: openness to discuss it.

[2:50:06] Voice 12: Very much.

[2:50:07] Voice 7: Flexibility.

[2:50:08] Voice 12: Could I ask one more question?

[2:50:09] Voice 12: um

[2:50:10] Voice 7: once we figure out sewerage um would we expect we did another variance permit if it wasn't to 15

[2:50:20] Voice 7: but say 25 or should we just say don't you know is it is it kind of a black and white or because

[2:50:29] Voice 7: this would you require more science behind it i don't know just supposing that it'd be really

[2:50:34] Voice 7: hard to put the septic anywhere else try to try to come back with a less of an adjustment

[2:50:42] Voice 7: i guess you kind of want to say right now i

[2:50:44] Voice 5: would try and do the

[2:50:45] Trustee Luckham: best i can

[2:50:45] Trustee Luckham: with what you've now got because i think that you know we haven't really denied a permit because

[2:50:52] Trustee Luckham: normally that you have to have a year but if an application is denied you kind of have to have a

[2:50:57] Trustee Luckham: year time before you can come back with a fresh one but obviously in this case he could come back

[2:51:02] Trustee Luckham: for an amended amended permit presumably and there'd be an application fee and everything

[2:51:07] Trustee Luckham: else associated with it which i don't know why you want to do that yeah

[2:51:11] Voice 8: typically unless there's

[2:51:12] Voice 8: sort of new information yeah provided we don't can reconsider the variances within a year but

[2:51:17] Voice 8: if it was a different aspect yeah or provided additional information then yeah so if you're

[2:51:24] Voice 8: between a rock and a

[2:51:25] Voice 12: hard place or in this case the house in the shoreline i think you'd be free

[2:51:30] Voice 12: to come back and ask yeah and

[2:51:32] Voice 7: that's something that can ask the owners as well so that reasonable

[2:51:37] Voice 7: advice thanks okay

[2:51:40] Voice 5: thank you well thank you very much

[2:51:41] Trustee Luckham: sir thank you so 17.3 has been deferred this

[2:51:45] Trustee Luckham: brings us to 17.4 salt spring development permit 20 20.15 homebird at 106 lower ganges road salt

[2:51:53] Trustee Luckham: and is the applicant here excellent thank you for being here you've seen our process so far and um

[2:52:00] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for working with us, and I'll go to Planner Gordon.

[2:52:04] Voice 8: Thank you, Chair.

[2:52:06] Voice 8: You may recognize this application.

[2:52:08] Voice 8: Yes.

[2:52:10] Voice 8: That says DP 2020, so it gives you a sense of how long it's been in the works for.

[2:52:16] Voice 8: Essentially, it's a development permit amendment for landscaping and site layout

[2:52:21] Voice 8: at a property within development for Area 1 in the Ganges Village Court.

[2:52:26] Voice 8: Board. Previous staff analysis of the guidelines found it was deficient primarily around issues

[2:52:35] Voice 8: with pedestrian circulation on the property or in and around the property. The applicant

[2:52:40] Voice 8: has worked with the Ministry of Transportation in an attempt to have that pathway, pedestrian

[2:52:46] Voice 8: pathway be on the roadway adjacent to the property. I'll let the applicant speak more

[2:52:53] Voice 8: to that process but essentially in consultation with modi the pathway would be okay but any sort of

[2:53:00] Voice 8: uh separation like a wheel stop or a planter was not going to be permitted um due to various

[2:53:09] Voice 8: concerns somebody had about service things that sort of those sort of issues um so in light of

[2:53:16] Voice 8: that staff would still consider that the guidelines are not being met in the appropriate way possible

[2:53:23] Voice 8: possible because without a physical separation the likelihood of vehicles intruding on that

[2:53:28] Voice 8: pedestrian pathway is high so staff recommended still that the application be amended to better

[2:53:36] Voice 8: address pedestrian circulation if that means sort of accommodating them on site then that would

[2:53:40] Voice 8: require a more substantial revision to the plan um and so if the LTC opted to go that direction

[2:53:49] Voice 8: and request an amended plan staff have also recommended that this be reviewed by the advisory

[2:53:54] Voice 8: planning commission um for comment on whether or not the guidelines are being effectively met

[2:53:59] Voice 8: and that would give the ltc some further guidance on it um yeah otherwise uh aside from the

[2:54:06] Voice 8: pedestrian issue um staff have found that the guidelines are substantially met especially

[2:54:13] Voice 8: in consideration of additional landscaping that's being proposed through this variance

[2:54:20] Voice 8: I'm happy to take take any questions you might have about that application.

[2:54:28] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. So I'll just go to the applicant. Do you have any remarks or comments on the recommendation?

[2:54:45] Voice 4: We'd like to just address you and have a conversation with what we feel are the merits of this application.

[2:54:52] Voice 4: I further clarify with respect to the pedestrian perhaps after we have a clear idea of whether

[2:55:00] Voice 4: it's on-site or off-site pedestrian that the planners is speaking to.

[2:55:07] Voice 4: So good afternoon, new trustees, thank you for the opportunity to address you this afternoon

[2:55:12] Voice 4: and thank you to our new trust staff for their willingness to meet and work with us on the

[2:55:17] Voice 4: amendment application.

[2:55:18] Voice 4: I'm here, I'd like to present the merits of the revised landscaping and site plan, as

[2:55:24] Voice 4: well as why we believe this provides an opportunity to enhance the approved application while

[2:55:30] Voice 4: retaining the required five regular and one handicapped parking spots.

[2:55:34] Voice 4: Cross traffic pedestrians have always had direct access to the property by way of two

[2:55:39] Voice 4: crosswalks which border the property, both being at the corner of McPhillips Avenue and

[2:55:44] Voice 4: Lower Ganges Road.

[2:55:45] Voice 4: road. One from BJ Bean's side of the property, I'm sorry, one from BJ Bean's side of the

[2:55:52] Voice 4: street and the other from the fire hall side of the street. Pedestrian access to the restaurant

[2:55:58] Voice 4: is now segregated from the parking area due to the new vehicle traffic flow created by

[2:56:03] Voice 4: closing the McPhillips Avenue access and changing to access and exit off Lower Ganges Road by

[2:56:11] Voice 4: the pharmacy building. Customers on foot now have access to the restaurant via two vehicle-free

[2:56:17] Voice 4: entrances. The first, a mobility-friendly patio facing Lower Ganges Road, which is segregated from

[2:56:23] Voice 4: the on-site parking area by landscaping and privacy partitions. The second entrance is also

[2:56:32] Voice 4: mobility-friendly and is in the outdoor patio area on McPhillips side of the property, which

[2:56:37] Voice 4: is now completely vehicle free as well bicycle parking with a charging station has been added

[2:56:44] Voice 4: on the side of the property excellent internal pedestrian circulation throughout the site is

[2:56:49] Voice 4: now available as only customers arriving by vehicles and using one of the six parking spots

[2:56:55] Voice 4: will need to circulate through the segregated on-site parking area we feel the increase in

[2:57:02] Voice 4: landscaping in the site plan which includes a locally crafted bench will improve the visual

[2:57:07] Voice 4: interest and respite for downtown visitors while also providing a more inviting entrance and road

[2:57:14] Voice 4: frontage without sacrificing visual safety for vehicles and parking. Lastly, as your staff has

[2:57:21] Voice 4: reported to you, we did meet and speak with various delegates from MOTI and their maintenance

[2:57:26] Voice 4: contractor to discuss Island Trust's motion for a delineated pedestrian walkway with solid

[2:57:31] Voice 4: structures. During our conversations, representatives from MOTI advised they feel there is

[2:57:37] Voice 4: safe and sufficient pedestrian walkways along McPhillips Avenue and Lower Ganges Road and that

[2:57:44] Voice 4: there is not I'm sorry and that there is no need to be concerned with traffic pedestrian conflict

[2:57:51] Voice 4: the representatives also informed us that they will not approve concrete parking barriers or

[2:57:57] Voice 4: other permanent structures however there is no objections to a painted walkway which would

[2:58:02] Voice 4: provide a good visual delineation for off-site pedestrians and vehicular traffic while the

[2:58:09] Voice 4: proposed landscape and site plan may not represent the exact vision for off-site pedestrian circulation

[2:58:16] Voice 4: we and staff had in mind we feel we are presenting a viable option which meets the guidelines

[2:58:22] Voice 4: the change of business from a gas station which has operated at this site since the 1960s to a

[2:58:28] Voice 4: restaurant without renovations to the building does not interfere with the existing off-site

[2:58:34] Voice 4: pedestrian flow and the addition of painted walkway around the perimeter of the property

[2:58:39] Voice 4: will visually enhance the existing walk path for all well we hope that you we hope that you will

[2:58:47] Voice 4: also see the many merits to this amended application and vote in favor to pass thank you

[2:58:52] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:58:55] Trustee Luckham: So trustees, do you have any questions or comments?

[2:58:58] Trustee Grove: For clarification, if I may, the recommendation that staff are making here is not what you want, or it is?

[2:59:08] Voice 4: The recommendation is to go back and further try to change

[2:59:14] Voice 4: our site plan.

[2:59:15] Voice 4: We don't feel that that is needed.

[2:59:16] Voice 4: needed okay um we feel that we have um made sufficient changes for pedestrian circulation

[2:59:24] Voice 4: with on the property um and that we have presented a viable option to address your

[2:59:34] Voice 4: request although it was it is not exactly what everyone had in mind with a delineated

[2:59:40] Voice 4: solid structures however MOTI will not allow that.

[2:59:47] Trustee Grove: But what you would like to see is what

[2:59:49] Trustee Grove: you have actually developed now?

[2:59:51] Voice 4: What we have we would like to see is what we have

[2:59:55] Voice 4: presented to you in a new amended site plan which you have in front of you. But not

[3:00:00] Trustee Grove: what is happening right now at this on the site correct

[3:00:04] Voice 4: in the fact that there would be a new

[3:00:08] Voice 4: page walk path the the site could you clarify what you mean as to what is going on well

[3:00:14] Trustee Grove: if i

[3:00:15] Trustee Grove: if i drive by now that's not

[3:00:17] Trustee Grove: what the status quo i guess it's not what you're looking for

[3:00:20] Trustee Grove: oh

[3:00:21] Voice 4: no no i think i think what you're asking is what we're proposing in what we gave you

[3:00:27] Voice 4: the picture with the walkway is actually the way people walk around it now

[3:00:32] Voice 4: correct um the only

[3:00:34] Voice 15: difference

[3:00:34] Voice 4: is that there would be one more parking spot because they're moving the garbage

[3:00:39] Voice 4: and that's the

[3:00:40] Voice 4: actual walkway around the property is what is there now and actually there are some

[3:00:45] Voice 4: old lines from four or five years ago that

[3:00:48] Voice 4: were planned that were that were painted on the roadway

[3:00:52] Voice 4: and there will be additional landscaping that isn't there at present the new site plan has

[3:00:59] Voice 4: quite a few um larger planters throughout the site um there's six two by six um planters that

[3:01:12] Voice 4: will go in front of one in front of each parking spot

[3:01:17] Trustee Luckham: maybe i'll just ask gordy that's on page 272

[3:01:22] Voice 8: sorry if you look at page 291 that is the proposed site or this proposed site plan

[3:01:33] Voice 8: in the permit that would be approved up for approval because they have so

[3:01:38] Voice 4: this is this is

[3:01:39] Voice 4: the one that we're proposing currently that's

[3:01:44] Voice 12: not so it's the one on 272

[3:01:45] Voice 12: to believe

[3:01:47] Voice 8: the additional changes would be planters and the parking planters here and then

[3:01:56] Voice 8: the painted strip and it just answered trustee girl's question about what what's there today

[3:02:02] Voice 8: so this is what you would like to see

[3:02:04] Voice 5: correct right this is drawing this is

[3:02:12] Voice 4: within the property

[3:02:15] Voice 4: page 291 this drawing here this is the pathway is on the property

[3:02:20] Voice 8: is on the adjacent right of way

[3:02:21] Voice 8: it's

[3:02:22] Voice 4: on the adjacent that's a public pedestrian walkway not a pedestrian walkway for

[3:02:29] Voice 4: the business for the business

[3:02:32] Voice 4: it's a public walkway it's a public walkway you're going to

[3:02:35] Voice 4: paint it correct and

[3:02:37] Voice 8: that's been approved by moody correct

[3:02:39] Voice 4: yes if

[3:02:42] Voice 8: i may if you look at page

[3:02:46] Voice 8: 264 and 265, that green gives you a sense of where exactly it's going to be,

[3:02:54] Voice 5: which is

[3:02:55] Voice 8: what we've got now,

[3:02:56] Voice 4: which is

[3:02:57] Trustee Grove: what I had asked about.

[3:03:00] Voice 4: Yeah, sorry.

[3:03:00] Voice 4: Sorry, just a little confusion as to what you're referring to, sorry.

[3:03:04] Voice 4: sure so this so this would be it would be represent this um and but you can clearly see that if

[3:03:16] Voice 4: looking at this you see a visual that this is a walk path this isn't a parking area

[3:03:22] Voice 4: so that is what we're hoping that this will enhance what's already there right now there's

[3:03:27] Voice 4: nothing there's just roads

[3:03:28] Trustee Grove: but you'll have no cars parked there at all yeah

[3:03:31] Voice 4: that you can park

[3:03:32] Voice 4: in front of the green okay but you

[3:03:34] Trustee Grove: wouldn't be able

[3:03:35] Voice 4: to park on the green so

[3:03:37] Trustee Grove: the idea was that

[3:03:39] Voice 4: you wouldn't be taking away parking you would just be saying this is a pedestrian zone in front of

[3:03:46] Voice 4: this okay it's

[3:03:47] Trustee Grove: just this this map that sorry there's planning provided there's this new

[3:03:51] Trustee Grove: parking very definitely down each side oh

[3:03:53] Voice 4: i see oh no there there would there would be nothing

[3:03:56] Voice 4: that says no parking

[3:03:58] Trustee Grove: i'm talking about your i think

[3:04:00] Voice 4: what can you go back to the last picture

[3:04:05] Trustee Grove: tune on page 291 there's a new parking in there

[3:04:11] Voice 4: well that is yeah i'm sorry that shouldn't be

[3:04:14] Voice 4: there yeah this

[3:04:15] Voice 23: what it is is the cars that we were looking at now are

[3:04:20] Voice 4: the cars that are parked

[3:04:21] Voice 4: along here the one car that is parked uh in the other picture that was a black car is actually

[3:04:28] Voice 4: and park right here this they wouldn't be parking there there'd be no parking because this is going

[3:04:34] Voice 4: to be a bench and a flower bed but from here down there would be parking

[3:04:40] Voice 4: which is already there

[3:04:42] Voice 4: technically there's a stop sign here so you shouldn't be parking there anyway

[3:04:47] Voice 4: and you can't it's not that no parking will not be painted on the roadway yeah that would be like

[3:04:55] Voice 4: Like, that would be your entranceway.

[3:04:58] Voice 4: And this is your, these are your parking, and these are the spots that are already there.

[3:05:03] Trustee Grove: But you're going to have trouble, you know, people are going to encroach on that white line, I guess.

[3:05:11] Voice 4: Well, if it's green, I would hope not.

[3:05:13] Voice 18: I like green.

[3:05:14] Voice 4: You

[3:05:14] Voice 18: will have to manage it, but

[3:05:16] Voice 4: that's your

[3:05:17] Voice 4: responsibility.

[3:05:18] Voice 18: you know i

[3:05:19] Voice 4: i'm we're just you know we feel that if there is something designated there to highlight

[3:05:27] Voice 4: the i idea

[3:05:28] Voice 4: that not to park here that should help yep okay

[3:05:32] Voice 11: trustees i

[3:05:34] Voice 4: have more questions

[3:05:37] Voice 4: seeing this happen in the previous term still trying to understand so this

[3:05:41] Voice 4: this was never rezoned they just had to get a development permit so the zoning has always

[3:05:46] Voice 4: allowed a restaurant in the gas station

[3:05:50] Voice 8: yes commercial zoning so there's a lot of ranges

[3:05:53] Voice 8: correct

[3:05:53] Voice 4: we we had to we were told we had to apply for a development permit for change of use

[3:06:00] Voice 4: so this is only being a change of use application and a variance for parking was a change of use

[3:06:06] Voice 4: correct from

[3:06:08] Trustee Grove: what to what from

[3:06:09] Voice 4: a gas station to a restaurant which is zoned which we are zoned for

[3:06:14] Voice 4: so we're not asking for rezoning okay i'm just trying to collect those change of use triggers

[3:06:18] Voice 4: contaminated site regulations that we are no longer able to avoid the

[3:06:23] Voice 8: partner it's a change

[3:06:25] Voice 8: of use so the the dp was triggered by the fact that it was being used as a restaurant and the

[3:06:30] Voice 8: outdoor landscaping triggered the need for the variance permit or the development permit and

[3:06:35] Voice 8: then the fact that there was not sufficient amount of parking provided for the number of indoor seats

[3:06:40] Voice 8: for the restaurant required the variance permit which was given

[3:06:45] Voice 8: so there would have been if the

[3:06:47] Voice 8: contaminated regulation was in effect at that time then

[3:06:51] Voice 5: it would have

[3:06:52] Voice 8: triggered it although

[3:06:54] Voice 8: as it stands this is an amendment to an existing permit and therefore does not trigger the new

[3:06:59] Voice 8: current automated sites disclosure um

[3:07:02] Voice 4: so like the the sidewalks in front of tjs and so forth are

[3:07:12] Voice 4: they in right of way of modi or are they on the lot line i

[3:07:17] Voice 8: believe they are in the right of way

[3:07:19] Voice 8: but whether it's being constructed by i believe

[3:07:23] Voice 4: they're on the right that used to be a two-way

[3:07:26] Voice 4: street many many years ago i'm just trying to

[3:07:30] Voice 4: clarify you know because if this was a new

[3:07:33] Voice 4: construction today that they would be required to have curves and all of that kind of stuff as part

[3:07:38] Voice 4: of the construction so um i'm i'm i when i agree with sending this to the the apc i'd like to

[3:07:49] Voice 4: specifically ask about a big strip of green paint running

[3:07:52] Voice 1: you know it all

[3:07:53] Voice 4: sorry it doesn't look

[3:07:54] Voice 4: great maybe flower pots will make the place look a little bit better but um you know as a big strip

[3:08:02] Voice 4: like green paint running around the front here going to be attractive um and look okay

[3:08:08] Voice 4: uh you prefer not to have a green shirt i have

[3:08:11] Voice 4: a couple of white lines i'm not sure it's not my

[3:08:14] Voice 4: it's just you know there's it's just you have nowhere else in town you know you go to victoria

[3:08:20] Voice 4: and they use green paint to to indicate the the bicycle

[3:08:24] Voice 5: and it's

[3:08:26] Voice 4: throughout the city so

[3:08:27] Voice 4: So, and people in Victoria learned that.

[3:08:30] Voice 4: Here we'll have a boomerang of green paint

[3:08:35] Voice 4: that could be confusing to the public.

[3:08:39] Voice 4: So that's all I'm saying.

[3:08:41] Voice 4: And say something.

[3:08:42] Voice 4: We're totally open to however you would like to see that.

[3:08:46] Voice 4: It doesn't have to be green paint.

[3:08:47] Voice 4: It doesn't have to be yellow paint.

[3:08:48] Voice 4: If you would like to see just a simple white line

[3:08:53] Voice 4: with, you know, some...

[3:08:55] Voice 4: Well, that would be my question.

[3:08:56] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer- You know that's what i'd like to ask the PC is to give us some ideas of what what would work, rather than just you know settling on big strip of green paint through downtown.

[3:09:12] Voice 4: HAB

[3:09:12] Trustee Luckham: -Masyn Moyer- Now you almost want to see your strike the boss walk yeah that's more

[3:09:16] Voice 11: obviously something

[3:09:17] Voice 4: that when that you know, I think there needs to be some I think needs to be thought out carefully that.

[3:09:23] Voice 4: but what's there, you know, it's hard.

[3:09:30] Voice 4: I hope these drawings, you know, cedar by, you know,

[3:09:35] Voice 4: it's probably better than the original bright blue boxes

[3:09:40] Voice 4: they had standing on metal sticks at one point.

[3:09:45] Voice 4: Parking is still, I still can't believe

[3:09:48] Voice 4: you can get that many cars parked.

[3:09:50] Voice 4: I mean, I can look at the picture drawing there.

[3:09:52] Voice 4: Is it okay to, you're basically conflicting

[3:09:55] Voice 4: parking number spot one this got a walkway going back through the middle of it there's a very small

[3:10:03] Voice 4: area there very small um that there is a possibility that you would have to back out

[3:10:10] Voice 4: into traffic a little bit um but having said that um we do have that along mcphillips avenue

[3:10:19] Voice 4: you where you're backing totally out into um the street so i would hope that that little tiny bit

[3:10:29] Voice 4: there would not create a huge conflict i'm wearing i i am not a traffic engineer i assume standards

[3:10:36] Voice 4: and things of that nature have been considered i don't know that's what i'd have to look at is i

[3:10:44] Voice 4: i don't is that something that happens that's been considered by traffic people that this is

[3:10:51] Voice 4: okay or

[3:10:52] Voice 12: well i would think you'd want that spot one to be identified as a small car

[3:10:56] Voice 12: spot or motorcycle for that matter so

[3:11:01] Trustee Grove: i think it's kind of crazy that we're designing this thing

[3:11:03] Trustee Grove: i

[3:11:04] Trustee Luckham: know yeah this is

[3:11:05] Trustee Grove: not really um what we're here so i think

[3:11:08] Trustee Luckham: laura was suggesting and go to

[3:11:09] Trustee Luckham: the apc for

[3:11:10] Trustee Luckham: advice on the pedestrian treatment

[3:11:14] Voice 4: to the pedestrian yeah

[3:11:16] Trustee Grove: but i do have a question

[3:11:18] Trustee Grove: which i i simply don't understand why we're talking about this um we uh going back however

[3:11:23] Trustee Grove: many years when our local taco was just coming forward we went through this exercise and

[3:11:28] Trustee Grove: presumably that was a development permit at the time and that was the change of use then from

[3:11:33] Trustee Grove: gas station to restaurant so why are we talking about a change of use now uh

[3:11:38] Voice 8: so it's not an

[3:11:40] Voice 8: additional change of these it's just the amendment to that issue yeah they're reducing the parking

[3:11:43] Voice 8: no

[3:11:44] Voice 4: no i'm sorry we're not we're we're still the same the only thing we're doing is we've changed

[3:11:51] Voice 4: where the parking is located on the site and added more landscaping than the original

[3:11:57] Voice 4: but

[3:11:58] Trustee Grove: i don't understand why you need anything from us at this point that all seems to be reasonable

[3:12:02] Trustee Grove: if that's

[3:12:04] Voice 8: what it said although

[3:12:05] Voice 5: they did change it

[3:12:07] Voice 8: it no longer looks like the development permit

[3:12:10] Voice 8: that was issued so it requires an amendment to it and there these issues around pedestrian

[3:12:16] Voice 8: circulation were raised at that time of that issuance of their permit as well so it's a

[3:12:20] Voice 8: continuation of that not the

[3:12:22] Voice 4: original development permit and variance this pedestrian circulation

[3:12:30] Voice 4: is something new. It just came up with the amendment

[3:12:35] Voice 4: application.

[3:12:37] Voice 4: I'm concerned.

[3:12:40] Voice 4: It's not us that live in the village and learn how to walk that area it's the tourists that are walking along like this.

[3:12:49] Trustee Grove: You've got two pedestrian walkways with with the zebra crossing. So what would be nice and I'm not a designer, and none of us are in this room.

[3:12:59] Trustee Grove: is somehow if you meld meld those two uh zebra crossing stripes into this pathway so that it

[3:13:07] Trustee Grove: all looks like because it all belongs together absolutely that's

[3:13:10] Trustee Grove: not a problem that would not

[3:13:11] Voice 4: be i think the green came up when the planner made the picture for this anyway i wouldn't

[3:13:16] Trustee Grove: worry about green but i take what we should

[3:13:18] Trustee Grove: do is turn the whole thing into a rainbow

[3:13:21] Trustee Grove: because it becomes

[3:13:23] Trustee Grove: rainbow and it would be fun to have it the whole thing in permanent rainbow

[3:13:26] Trustee Grove: though, and then then it will become very, very obvious to

[3:13:29] Trustee Grove: everybody.

[3:13:33] Voice 4: So the other issue though, is on site or off site. Can the

[3:13:36] Voice 4: planner expand on this, this picture here showing that red

[3:13:41] Voice 8: box

[3:13:42] Voice 4: is off site, but you recommended in the report on

[3:13:45] Voice 4: site, can you elaborate on why?

[3:13:47] Voice 4: Yeah,

[3:13:47] Voice 8: good point. Sure. So the because the Ministry of

[3:13:52] Voice 8: Transportation has indicated that there's no wheel stops

[3:13:54] Voice 8: permitted in the right of way in out of consideration of separating those two

[3:14:01] Voice 8: if the pathway were to be accommodated on site then they could place wheel stops at the boundary

[3:14:09] Voice 8: to prevent vehicles from then encroaching on the pedestrian area and i recognize that would be a

[3:14:16] Voice 8: substantial revision of the plan and likely result in loss of some of their patio area

[3:14:23] Voice 8: they've built out to the property line photos there because it would essentially have to be

[3:14:28] Voice 8: that accommodated in that area oh excuse

[3:14:30] Voice 4: me but the patio area you're referring to

[3:14:33] Voice 4: you wouldn't be able to put it there because it's a drop off behind well

[3:14:38] Voice 8: yeah i would have to

[3:14:38] Voice 8: consideration of how it connected with the adjacent yeah uh

[3:14:43] Voice 8: walkways um so that was

[3:14:46] Voice 8: recommendation is so quietly well

[3:14:49] Voice 4: that would be so i think we could ask the apc to comment on that

[3:14:53] Voice 4: as well so comment on treatment of the pavement for walking and and or color or whatever

[3:15:03] Voice 4: may i say something um the the two recommendations that the planner has um

[3:15:09] Voice 4: cited e 1.4.4 and it refers to major new commercial general employment and multi-family

[3:15:19] Voice 4: development should include a construction of a sidewalk or walking path on adjacent road right

[3:15:26] Voice 4: of ways all sidewalks and internal site circulation routes should ensure barrier-free access so

[3:15:35] Voice 4: So that is where we're saying we feel we're not a major new development.

[3:15:44] Voice 4: We've been at it since the 60s, and we've provided on-site circulation that are barrier-free.

[3:15:55] Voice 4: So I'm a little unclear why there's been this emphasis on the right pedestrian

[3:16:06] Voice 4: off-site pedestrian right-of-way on our property there's been pedestrians in

[3:16:14] Voice 4: this area in that area for many many years and many there's been gas station

[3:16:21] Voice 4: there which had much much more vehicular traffic in and out of that site for 40

[3:16:28] Voice 4: years or more. So we have we feel we're reducing the vehicle access, the vehicle traffic on the

[3:16:38] Voice 4: site. And we're actually improving the circular site, site safeness for all pedestrians and

[3:16:49] Voice 4: on-site and off-site so and then the other um recommendation was e 1.4.5 and again it refers to

[3:17:01] Voice 4: site access to commercial and multi-family developments should encourage use by pedestrians

[3:17:07] Voice 4: and cyclists internal circulation routes for pedestrians and cyclists should be segregated

[3:17:14] Voice 4: from vehicular routes which we feel we have done with an emphasis given to pedestrian and safety

[3:17:22] Voice 4: cyclists over vehicular convenience if necessary and then it goes on to talk about um arranging

[3:17:32] Voice 4: coordinates with the path the ganges pathway so again it it is a little unclear as to again why

[3:17:40] Voice 4: this is coming up with this public pathway being located on on the property so

[3:17:50] Trustee Grove: it's going to go

[3:17:51] Trustee Grove: around and i have no support putting this pathway on their property i mean i just don't think it

[3:17:56] Trustee Grove: works and and i just don't there is a room there's but i i do support sending this to the aabc

[3:18:03] Trustee Grove: or abc rather and um asking for their comments particularly with the treatment of the pathway

[3:18:08] Trustee Grove: way.

[3:18:10] Voice 4: Yeah, we're very open. We're always color how you want

[3:18:14] Voice 4: to do it. Is

[3:18:16] Voice 4: that the concerns of the color of No,

[3:18:19] Trustee Grove: I have no I

[3:18:20] Trustee Grove: have no concern. So I'm just, I'm

[3:18:23] Voice 4: just unclear as to why now

[3:18:26] Voice 4: the recommendation I just would like to understand to go. I'm

[3:18:30] Voice 4: sorry, it's another

[3:18:32] Trustee Luckham: yes, so

[3:18:34] Voice 12: citizen group that we've appointed that provide us advice

[3:18:37] Voice 12: advice on what

[3:18:40] Trustee Luckham: they get from the community about what that particular aspect, in this

[3:18:45] Trustee Luckham: case, what sidewalk should look like.

[3:18:47] Trustee Grove: But the point is, is well made, that if we're not unhappy with the pedestrian pathway, whatever

[3:18:55] Trustee Grove: we want to call it, I mean, to send it to the ABC just to get some feeling for us to

[3:19:00] Trustee Grove: the treatment, it seems a bit excessive.

[3:19:03] Trustee Grove: Well, I think

[3:19:04] Trustee Grove: there's an aesthetic to it.

[3:19:06] Voice 8: Yeah, I

[3:19:06] Voice 4: think there's a major aesthetic to it.

[3:19:08] Voice 4: sorry

[3:19:09] Voice 8: i just want to clarify perhaps to support color choice the images and

[3:19:14] Voice 8: the staff report

[3:19:15] Voice 8: are representative only it's not there's no intention for it to be painted green

[3:19:19] Voice 8: just just to clarify it

[3:19:23] Voice 12: wouldn't be painted white

[3:19:25] Voice 8: yes there's no suggestion that

[3:19:27] Voice 8: it'd be green how how it works in terms of zebra striping or a line or a pedestrian sign

[3:19:35] Voice 12: So,

[3:19:36] Voice 8: so I'll

[3:19:37] Voice 12: just ask the question that we can prepare to endorse a zebra painting stand, or you want to go.

[3:19:44] Voice 4: I mean, the issue I have is, I mean I understand the recycling of an old gas station, turning it into something, but when it was a gas station.

[3:19:53] Voice 4: that point going up mcphillips you weren't invited to walk that way there were cars and

[3:19:59] Voice 4: tow trucks and it was it was

[3:20:02] Voice 4: a you know no one stopped you but it was a gas station yard

[3:20:08] Voice 4: you were kind of driven to go across the street as a you know in your in your mind um and uh

[3:20:16] Voice 4: you know you're running a different business that now has connected that side of the street

[3:20:23] Voice 4: even though it's not well done it's so we're dealing with you know poor configuration does

[3:20:30] Voice 4: not align well with the neighboring property tripping hazards left right center not on your

[3:20:35] Voice 4: property and always but then on the next one so what we're trying to do is end up with something

[3:20:40] Voice 4: you know that will be the best it can be in this situation that it is that's safe

[3:20:48] Voice 4: and it doesn't continue to just end up being the same thing,

[3:20:55] Voice 4: cars parked there.

[3:20:58] Voice 4: So, I mean, I understand the planners thought

[3:21:02] Voice 4: of having it in there.

[3:21:04] Voice 4: So there could be a combination, maybe on McPhillips,

[3:21:08] Voice 4: there is a benefit to moving it in

[3:21:10] Voice 4: where not on the other side there.

[3:21:14] Voice 4: so i think i i would still like to hear from the apc on kind of the on off

[3:21:19] Voice 4: of the of the property

[3:21:22] Voice 4: so that the situation is made as safe as it can be may not be internet no matter what they came

[3:21:30] Voice 4: up with there is no way that it could be moved into the property on that particular side there's

[3:21:37] Voice 4: a drop-off it's a four-foot drop-off right at the end of the fence there so you'd have to

[3:21:46] Voice 4: have the pathway down this right where it is right now and i mean that's that basically the option

[3:21:54] Voice 4: and and i i understand what you're saying and i you know i hear what you're saying but i also

[3:22:02] Voice 4: would like to point out that a lot of this is multi this is ministry of transportation

[3:22:07] Voice 4: infrastructure um we cannot we cannot change it they say it's safe they say we have you know

[3:22:16] Voice 4: multiple meetings with them they said it's safe they say that we don't have a report

[3:22:20] Voice 4: they have for us it's a written report i mean maybe they said

[3:22:24] Voice 4: that to you but and

[3:22:28] Voice 4: And we did send some correspondence to you with respect to that, that the, the, I'm sorry I've forgotten his title, but the area manager had said that they felt there was safe and sufficient pedestrian walkway.

[3:22:49] Voice 4: have you got

[3:22:50] Voice 8: that i did receive uh well it was forwarded an email that the applicants received

[3:22:54] Voice 8: from jake broder who was an area manager for roads i believe he's since gone on maternity

[3:23:00] Voice 8: or paternity leave um that email was more of a personal first one and then included in the staff

[3:23:06] Voice 8: report but ironically enough suggested that wheel stops be used to separate the pathway although

[3:23:14] Voice 8: though subsequent he

[3:23:15] Voice 5: said he you could do that

[3:23:16] Voice 8: suggested it yes but then i guess subsequently

[3:23:20] Voice 8: additional mcon said well you know if we're plowing the road there's going to be you know

[3:23:26] Voice 8: issues with sure which you know

[3:23:29] Voice 16: there are real stops adjacent

[3:23:30] Voice 8: to that area as well it's not like

[3:23:33] Voice 8: they aren't existing on that right away but that was the feedback to promote it apparently and this

[3:23:39] Voice 8: is a situation where you know i did have some conversations with the development tech at modi

[3:23:47] Voice 8: prior to the applicants conferring with them and it's a situation where it's really up to

[3:23:52] Voice 8: the applicant to make the submission to modi as opposed to staff having that relationship

[3:23:56] Voice 8: and they did

[3:24:00] Voice 4: say we could put an application in but they said it won't be approved so um because

[3:24:07] Voice 4: of the maintenance issues and things. So, you know, I, we're trying to look at the positive of where the property was, and where it is now and we feel that there's been substantial increase in landscaping, and especially with this new site plan that the, the visual

[3:24:32] Voice 4: aspect will be much improved um and we have increased this the circulation within the property

[3:24:42] Voice 4: externally um in a safer manner and um we like to think that this is a very viable option

[3:24:50] Voice 4: to consider it may not be perfect and i wish we could have everything perfect in this world but

[3:24:57] Voice 4: But we do honestly feel that this is a viable option

[3:25:00] Voice 4: and we would hope that you would consider it.

[3:25:04] Trustee Grove: I must say, I would like to see something

[3:25:05] Trustee Grove: from Moody approving this plan.

[3:25:08] Voice 4: They don't, they wouldn't approve this plan

[3:25:12] Voice 4: that they could say that they have,

[3:25:14] Voice 4: and they did say there was no

[3:25:16] Voice 18: comment on the walkway.

[3:25:18] Voice 18: No comment.

[3:25:19] Voice 4: No, I said they could make,

[3:25:21] Voice 4: they did make a comment to us verbally

[3:25:25] Voice 4: that they had no problem with a painted walkway.

[3:25:28] Voice 4: or

[3:25:28] Trustee Grove: a walkway there a

[3:25:31] Voice 4: painted walkway

[3:25:32] Trustee Grove: and in that location

[3:25:34] Voice 4: and that is safe and that was what i did

[3:25:37] Voice 4: forward to um and

[3:25:38] Trustee Grove: you you got that jody yes okay well i that that gives me some comfort i am i am

[3:25:44] Trustee Grove: happy to to approve this but i i think it would be a good idea to pass it on to the apc i mean they

[3:25:51] Trustee Grove: are very much involved in the

[3:25:54] Voice 5: downtown

[3:25:54] Trustee Grove: Ganges look and it's not just about just to put this band and

[3:25:59] Trustee Grove: and it's a comment um they're not

[3:26:01] Trustee Grove: going to be approving or not approving but they'll send us

[3:26:04] Trustee Grove: comments um

[3:26:05] Voice 11: we say you have something uh

[3:26:08] Voice 23: just a thought to share um it sounded like a white

[3:26:12] Voice 23: strip might not be

[3:26:14] Voice 17: completely to your satisfaction but there is a and it's in a lot of these scenes

[3:26:20] Voice 5: these

[3:26:21] Voice 17: two is a more universal yeah sure that really signifies yeah

[3:26:26] Trustee Luckham: that's the good thing

[3:26:27] Voice 17: so if

[3:26:28] Trustee Luckham: we send that to the apc send that to the my

[3:26:31] Voice 17: only concern with apc is uh because of so

[3:26:35] Voice 17: much restriction i'm not

[3:26:36] Voice 4: sure they can come up with something more creative what about we sent

[3:26:43] Voice 4: this to the transportation commission the first time right

[3:26:46] Voice 5: um

[3:26:47] Voice 4: you know i think if it's going to

[3:26:49] Voice 4: to be treating something like that but it would be nice to be consistent or could we send it to

[3:26:56] Voice 4: the transportation commission again because that's

[3:26:58] Voice 17: we we met

[3:26:59] Voice 4: with them and this was one

[3:27:00] Voice 5: of the plans

[3:27:01] Voice 5: we

[3:27:01] Voice 4: came up with the only thing they suggested they'd like to see which we agreed to do was to

[3:27:07] Voice 4: put some planters on the road but right away they the road said no way um there's enough safety there

[3:27:15] Voice 4: delineated between the two now that it was not needed for safety and they wouldn't because of

[3:27:22] Voice 4: plowing etc agree to anything like that

[3:27:25] Voice 4: so that but they agreed that they were happy with the

[3:27:29] Voice 4: walkway but they did say they'd like to see the planters and we said yeah so jordan

[3:27:34] Trustee Grove: the transportation commission have you got that in your file that it has gone to the

[3:27:40] Trustee Grove: transportation commission yes they're in favor i

[3:27:43] Voice 8: believe i'm just looking here i believe that the

[3:27:47] Voice 8: recommendations were incorporated into the technology um

[3:27:52] Trustee Grove: so i

[3:27:53] Trustee Luckham: just want to ask for clarity

[3:27:55] Trustee Luckham: i'm just looking at the permit itself because we we've sort of been talking about

[3:27:59] Voice 5: moving

[3:28:01] Trustee Luckham: from a gas

[3:28:01] Trustee Luckham: station to a restaurant there is already an existing development permit that allows this

[3:28:06] Trustee Luckham: restaurant layout. This is an improvement on a permit that they already have. So it's not really

[3:28:14] Trustee Luckham: a gas station.

[3:28:15] Voice 4: No, no, no. You guys issued it last term. Yeah, I would not. But now we're having

[3:28:22] Voice 4: to deal with fixing this, you know, the fact that it has developed to something else. There's a big

[3:28:29] Voice 4: patio and other stuff on the

[3:28:30] Trustee Luckham: site. So that's what this is. Yeah. So I guess

[3:28:33] Voice 4: what I'm getting at is

[3:28:33] Trustee Luckham: the applicant could continue to run the business under the existing development permit

[3:28:37] Voice 5: and what

[3:28:39] Trustee Luckham: they're trying to do is improve it for themselves and improve it for everybody else so because they

[3:28:43] Trustee Luckham: could just i presume you could just go back home and go okay forget it and continue to run the

[3:28:47] Trustee Luckham: restaurant well under less than ideal conditions

[3:28:50] Voice 4: that that is one of the concerns that we have

[3:28:54] Voice 4: is that landscaping is very expensive and what we've proposed is a fair price bill to say the

[3:29:02] Voice 4: least never mind all the plants that we've got to invest in and until we have an approval for the

[3:29:10] Voice 4: site plan of planters and the seats and all of that we're very hesitant to put any money into

[3:29:18] Voice 4: landscaping and improving it because if you don't approve it then we've got to go back and back and

[3:29:23] Voice 4: forth so it would just have to sit as it is with no landscaping and that's kind of part of our

[3:29:28] Voice 4: concern why we're trying to get

[3:29:30] Voice 5: it and yeah

[3:29:30] Voice 4: we'd like to see it done and and the community see it

[3:29:34] Voice 4: done and see it okay

[3:29:37] Voice 18: so it sounds like we do want to send it to the apc or the transportation

[3:29:43] Voice 18: committee well

[3:29:45] Trustee Grove: no i don't think so actually it

[3:29:46] Voice 5: sounds like it doesn't need to go to transportation

[3:29:48] Voice 5: okay it

[3:29:50] Trustee Grove: doesn't really need to go to the apc so that recommendation number one is uh is no longer

[3:30:00] Trustee Grove: is no longer applicable right we need to change that surely what do we do we don't need to we

[3:30:06] Trustee Grove: don't we don't need uh because it's no longer within the boundaries of the subject property

[3:30:14] Voice 8: right uh so you could just make that sorry and apologies i'm not sure

[3:30:21] Voice 8: the

[3:30:22] Voice 11: yeah so you just want to approve you

[3:30:23] Voice 8: want to approve yeah it should just be the ltc approved

[3:30:27] Voice 8: the only

[3:30:29] Trustee Luckham: thing you might want to add is that they cross the pedestrian pathway be uh developed

[3:30:35] Trustee Luckham: developed in a in a in a aesthetic what

[3:30:40] Voice 8: and yes i was going to suggest if there's no referral

[3:30:43] Voice 8: to the apc that you would perhaps amend the permit to specify that the pathway be painted

[3:30:48] Voice 8: it white yes

[3:30:49] Voice 5: or or if

[3:30:50] Voice 4: you want white light white well i

[3:30:52] Voice 5: like the pedestrian

[3:30:53] Voice 4: i like that i think

[3:30:55] Voice 4: clearly indicated

[3:30:59] Trustee Luckham: for pedestrian purposes in fact let's follow along peter's suggestion

[3:31:02] Trustee Grove: rainbow let's have rainbow people well that would go down very well in the community

[3:31:08] Trustee Grove: but uh keeps

[3:31:10] Voice 23: all

[3:31:11] Voice 6: spring weird i've seen the

[3:31:13] Voice 18: bumpers ticket yeah

[3:31:13] Trustee Grove: but certainly uh tjs would

[3:31:16] Trustee Grove: be happening so

[3:31:20] Voice 18: trustees what's your place

[3:31:21] Trustee Grove: so i don't quite know what you need from us right now

[3:31:24] Trustee Grove: what this would look like

[3:31:29] Voice 12: yeah

[3:31:30] Voice 8: so if the intent would be to approve the permit subject to a particular type of pathway

[3:31:37] Voice 8: i would suggest that you amend the permit first by adding that language under section 3.1

[3:31:47] Voice 8: and then approve the permit as amended thank

[3:31:50] Voice 6: you excellent advice what

[3:31:51] Voice 8: page so if you look at 289

[3:31:54] Trustee Grove: 289 389 sorry 389 or i'm getting hearing

[3:31:58] Trustee Grove: aids in two weeks time guys i

[3:32:00] Trustee Grove: don't have them yet 289

[3:32:02] Trustee Grove: 289 thank you christ

[3:32:05] Voice 5: so what do you want to do the

[3:32:14] Voice 8: mend so if if i were to suggest an amendment

[3:32:16] Voice 8: It would be the LTC and then SSDP 2015 section

[3:32:28] Voice 5: to add

[3:32:29] Voice 8: 3.1.1, sorry, 3.1.2,

[3:32:36] Voice 5: so you can, I'm

[3:32:43] Voice 5: thinking you

[3:32:45] Voice 8: can add this out into two, this would be 3.1.1, and then 3.1.2 would be the

[3:32:51] Voice 8: pathway be painted white or however whatever you would like to see there if you would like

[3:32:59] Voice 8: a white with pedestrian symbols or whatever.

[3:33:07] Voice 4: Pedestrian symbols is I think definitely needed.

[3:33:11] Voice 4: did clearly

[3:33:13] Trustee Grove: designated delineate clearly we

[3:33:17] Voice 4: could put a a thin white strip then have the pedestrians

[3:33:23] Voice 4: on the inside of that oh yeah white

[3:33:26] Trustee Grove: strips okay

[3:33:27] Voice 4: whatever so we could have is uh

[3:33:31] Voice 4: i

[3:33:32] Trustee Grove: like louise's plan i thought what did you have yeah

[3:33:34] Voice 4: that's what that was

[3:33:37] Trustee Grove: that's how

[3:33:38] Voice 5: i feel right now

[3:33:38] Voice 18: somebody somebody

[3:33:42] Voice 5: get a helicopter save that guy on the cliff

[3:33:48] Voice 5: yeah okay so there you're set for the motion

[3:33:53] Voice 5: i

[3:33:54] Voice 8: didn't get so 3.1.2 would read something to the effect of um the pedestrian pathway

[3:34:04] Voice 8: way rainbow

[3:34:06] Voice 5: colored people

[3:34:07] Trustee Grove: I don't think we should stick I mean I don't know what do you want

[3:34:12] Trustee Grove: are you happy well

[3:34:13] Voice 4: we have to ask our rector if he would I'm sure he'd go along with it

[3:34:17] Voice 4: but

[3:34:18] Voice 8: outlined anyway with pedestrian yeah yeah well

[3:34:23] Voice 5: it has to be visible

[3:34:25] Voice 4: yeah yeah I can't hear about that size aren't there yeah

[3:34:30] Voice 18: yeah that's a good compromise symbol

[3:34:34] Voice 4: and that's very uh self-explanatory when people see that

[3:34:38] Voice 4: yeah no problem isn't a standard a reference standard i just can't believe well reference

[3:34:46] Voice 8: i mean there's there would be certainly standards for crosswalks yeah but you know you're playing

[3:34:55] Voice 8: with a limited amount of space i don't know if you could implement the standard in this case or not

[3:35:00] Voice 8: is that it

[3:35:01] Voice 12: that's it so

[3:35:03] Trustee Grove: i made that motion i'll read it i move it's altering our local trust

[3:35:06] Trustee Grove: committee amend ssdp 2020.15 by altering section 3.1 to read as follows 3.1.1 the site layout and

[3:35:14] Trustee Grove: parking shall be substantially in accordance with plan number one 3.1.2 the pedestrian pathway be

[3:35:20] Trustee Grove: outlined in white with visible pedestrian symbols well

[3:35:24] Voice 11: done and

[3:35:25] Trustee Grove: we all wish it was rainbow second

[3:35:30] Voice 11: moved and seconded any further discussion all

[3:35:33] Voice 12: those in favor

[3:35:34] Voice 12: that carries now do you want to approve yeah the development so you do that

[3:35:46] Voice 5: so

[3:35:47] Trustee Grove: what page are we back to now

[3:35:51] Trustee Grove: it's on the screen there for

[3:35:52] Trustee Grove: you thank you very much

[3:35:53] Trustee Grove: uh uh i move that social local trust committee approved issuance ssdp 2021.5 as amended

[3:36:03] Voice 5: i'll second the discussion thank

[3:36:05] Trustee Grove: you moved and seconded just to speak to the motion no nothing

[3:36:09] Trustee Grove: yeah i

[3:36:12] Voice 4: i will be voting against this i'm sorry i just can't compromise i know you're doing your

[3:36:17] Voice 4: best and you're trying to make it work um the best you can but it it's just it's such

[3:36:26] Voice 4: a problematic site may i ask the question i know you're going to be upset with me you do understand

[3:36:33] Voice 4: that if we don't get this through that we can go back to the original plan that has been totally

[3:36:43] Voice 4: I understand

[3:36:44] Voice 4: that I'm just stating my opinion of concerns here, so that's all.

[3:36:52] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:36:53] Trustee Grove: Laura, could you say again what you were saying?

[3:36:55] Voice 4: You were interrupting.

[3:36:57] Voice 4: Oh, I just said...

[3:36:58] Trustee Grove: You're just not going to...

[3:37:00] Trustee Grove: I

[3:37:00] Voice 4: can't vote for this just because this is sort of a legacy project that just really

[3:37:05] Voice 4: bothers me.

[3:37:06] Trustee Grove: Yeah, I understand.

[3:37:06] Trustee Grove: stand um so may i may i come and share yeah that's a question we're

[3:37:12] Voice 11: in discussion on the motion on

[3:37:14] Voice 11: the floor so what

[3:37:15] Trustee Grove: would make it okay for you laura i mean i agree this is a very important issue it's

[3:37:20] Trustee Grove: right downtown and this has been a concerning issue for a long long time but what would make

[3:37:26] Voice 5: it okay for you i i don't know um i it just it looks

[3:37:35] Voice 4: i i don't know how to describe it it just uh

[3:37:40] Voice 4: you know, it's not just your property,

[3:37:43] Voice 4: it's the connection to the adjacent property,

[3:37:46] Voice 22: so the sidewalks don't catch up.

[3:37:48] Voice 4: Yeah, so that the corner doesn't bring anything together.

[3:37:52] Voice 4: I understand you've worked with what you have.

[3:37:54] Voice 4: You haven't wanted to dig a hole

[3:37:55] Voice 4: or touch anything,

[3:37:56] Voice 4: and I can understand why you don't want to dig a hole

[3:37:58] Voice 4: on that site, but it just, you know,

[3:38:04] Voice 4: it's like you're doing what you can with what you have,

[3:38:08] Voice 4: but it's just doesn't work.

[3:38:11] Trustee Grove: you can't make a silk purse out of the south yeah well

[3:38:14] Trustee Luckham: you know in the long run they would

[3:38:17] Trustee Luckham: you know in some

[3:38:18] Trustee Luckham: future time there'll be a ganges village plan and there'll

[3:38:22] Trustee Luckham: be there'll be a new

[3:38:24] Trustee Luckham: development potentially there and this will believe this is the

[3:38:27] Trustee Luckham: pathway to get to that

[3:38:29] Trustee Luckham: and then indeed those ideals i totally respect that what you want to see is something better

[3:38:33] Trustee Luckham: yeah but

[3:38:34] Trustee Luckham: i think indeed we do have to work with what we've got within yeah

[3:38:38] Trustee Grove: i understand your

[3:38:39] Trustee Grove: concerns laura and uh i just want this to move ahead yeah

[3:38:43] Trustee Luckham: well yeah we want to make the right

[3:38:48] Trustee Luckham: decision whether we want to move ahead or not and it could certainly could be better but i don't

[3:38:52] Trustee Luckham: know what that is at this time so

[3:38:53] Trustee Grove: you need to vote yeah yeah

[3:38:55] Voice 11: so we're ready to vote as we get anything

[3:38:57] Voice 11: okay

[3:38:57] Trustee Grove: all

[3:39:00] Voice 18: those in favor and those opposed okay so that carries and

[3:39:07] Trustee Luckham: i thank you for that

[3:39:08] Trustee Luckham: and uh thank you we appreciate it yeah and

[3:39:11] Trustee Grove: what food is what is

[3:39:13] Voice 23: the most important question what

[3:39:14] Trustee Grove: are you going to be serving in this restaurant well we

[3:39:17] Voice 4: haven't we haven't uh seen the exact

[3:39:19] Voice 4: menu yet but i think you're going to really like it i i keep

[3:39:23] Trustee Grove: being told we're going to like it but

[3:39:24] Trustee Grove: we shouldn't have approved this without

[3:39:33] Trustee Luckham: anyway thank you very much thank you

[3:39:35] Trustee Luckham: thank you i think that concludes our uh application report today you wanted to have

[3:39:41] Trustee Luckham: a conversation uh as a new item after applications about housing yeah

[3:39:48] Voice 4: i wanted to understand i know

[3:39:51] Voice 4: we talked briefly louisa last week but i just wanted to understand sort of next steps with

[3:39:56] Voice 4: this bylaw 530 right when's it coming what's happening i know you had mentioned doing an

[3:40:03] Voice 4: open house but i i know i have some concerns of you know i know we need

[3:40:08] Voice 4: to do amendments

[3:40:14] Voice 4: yeah i'd just like to hear some of the plans

[3:40:17] Voice 5: are by the routine wow

[3:40:19] Voice 4: so

[3:40:22] Voice 23: now we have a situation

[3:40:29] Voice 5: you want

[3:40:31] Voice 18: to state your question again

[3:40:37] Voice 4: transportation permission oh you're still meeting yeah sorry

[3:40:41] Voice 4: sorry

[3:40:43] Trustee Luckham: 5

[3:40:45] Voice 4: 30. i just wanted to understand

[3:40:47] Voice 4: the next steps of what was happening with bylaw 530 what we can expect or yeah

[3:40:54] Voice 17: sure so um right

[3:40:56] Voice 17: now we still have i think two to three more weeks to

[3:41:00] Voice 23: hear back from first nations because we give

[3:41:03] Voice 23: give them 60 days, this is what they requested. And so but in the

[3:41:10] Voice 17: meantime, we are arranging an open house watching to open

[3:41:14] Voice 17: houses, just for the original proposed bylaw to get feedback

[3:41:19] Voice 17: so that we can tweak it and bring it back for the next

[3:41:24] Voice 17: meeting. It depends on when we can bring it back either July or

[3:41:28] Voice 17: august and uh with the

[3:41:31] Voice 4: revised bylaw we've got quite a few comments now so we get some sense of

[3:41:38] Voice 4: how to tweak it

[3:41:39] Trustee Grove: so is there a next meeting scheduled at this point no not

[3:41:44] Trustee Grove: yet that's why

[3:41:45] Trustee Grove: i understand

[3:41:46] Voice 4: wanting to go to the work to do the open house but i know we're going to do

[3:41:54] Voice 4: amendments right and so i don't want to

[3:41:57] Voice 4: have an open house on the existing bylaw right but i if

[3:42:04] Voice 4: for process reasons the existing bylaws were there but the potential amendments are also provided at

[3:42:13] Voice 4: the open house then that could be beneficial so you know i

[3:42:19] Voice 5: i assume there'll be

[3:42:20] Voice 4: quite detailed

[3:42:21] Voice 4: suggestions coming from

[3:42:24] Voice 4: Salt Spring Solutions

[3:42:26] Voice 4: as we heard.

[3:42:28] Voice 4: I know I saw the

[3:42:30] Voice 4: recommendations from

[3:42:33] Voice 4: Vancouver

[3:42:34] Voice 4: Island Health.

[3:42:36] Voice 4: So I could

[3:42:39] Voice 4: see there being

[3:42:41] Voice 4: those potential

[3:42:42] Voice 4: amendments are also provided that

[3:42:45] Voice 4: people could see and comment on

[3:42:47] Voice 4: as well.

[3:42:48] Voice 4: We also have

[3:42:49] Voice 4: the option of

[3:42:52] Voice 4: of having, bring it back to you,

[3:42:54] Voice 4: requesting a second reading, then have the open house.

[3:42:58] Voice 4: We don't want to take a draft that you have not looked at

[3:43:02] Voice 4: before we took it out to the open.

[3:43:03] Voice 4: I just, well, I said the draft is what the draft is.

[3:43:06] Voice 23: No, I'm sorry to revise that.

[3:43:08] Voice 4: But you know, potential amendments.

[3:43:11] Voice 4: So we either see them amend the bylaw,

[3:43:16] Voice 4: and then it goes to public meetings as a second reading.

[3:43:23] Voice 4: or you know so

[3:43:25] Voice 5: if you want

[3:43:25] Voice 4: the revised file back to you and then have the opening but we could also

[3:43:32] Trustee Luckham: rescind first reading and re re get reduced sec first reading we don't have to go to second

[3:43:37] Trustee Luckham: well

[3:43:38] Voice 3: it's just that i thought this is something that the community wants to go as quickly as

[3:43:46] Voice 3: possible so that's the reason why yeah

[3:43:49] Voice 5: so

[3:43:50] Trustee Luckham: it's just as always this perception about

[3:43:52] Trustee Luckham: without rushing it through, you know.

[3:43:54] Trustee Luckham: Well,

[3:43:55] Voice 5: I'm wondering, yeah.

[3:43:56] Trustee Luckham: Laura is right.

[3:43:57] Trustee Luckham: I think that, well, hang on.

[3:43:59] Trustee Luckham: What am I saying is right.

[3:44:01] Trustee Luckham: It needs to be obvious to the public

[3:44:03] Trustee Luckham: that there are amendments.

[3:44:05] Trustee Luckham: I do tend to agree that it's less confusing

[3:44:08] Trustee Luckham: if it's

[3:44:09] Voice 18: presented as the amended bylaw.

[3:44:12] Voice 4: That's fine.

[3:44:13] Voice 4: So, I mean, that's, you know,

[3:44:15] Voice 4: I think that would be fine

[3:44:17] Voice 4: because that's what I think is what is important

[3:44:20] Voice 4: to the public.

[3:44:22] Trustee Luckham: Can we do second reading by RWM?

[3:44:24] Trustee Luckham: Well,

[3:44:25] Voice 4: I think no, no.

[3:44:26] Voice 4: No, so

[3:44:27] Trustee Luckham: then you're going to have to wait

[3:44:28] Trustee Luckham: until the next meeting.

[3:44:29] Voice 4: Well, or if it's ready,

[3:44:30] Voice 4: we can always have a special meeting.

[3:44:32] Trustee Luckham: Oh, we could, yeah.

[3:44:32] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:44:32] Voice 23: wouldn't object to that.

[3:44:33] Voice 23: Well, it's not ready yet.

[3:44:34] Voice 23: I really, I have a lot.

[3:44:36] Voice 23: So

[3:44:36] Trustee Luckham: what do you think the timeframe would be?

[3:44:39] Voice 4: August?

[3:44:40] Trustee Luckham: If

[3:44:40] Voice 4: I'm lucky, I could get it to July,

[3:44:43] Voice 4: but it's kind of tight

[3:44:44] Voice 4: because the deadline for First Nations

[3:44:47] Voice 4: is the same day as the LTC.

[3:44:49] Voice 4: see so we'll be

[3:44:50] Voice 4: sincere to push it right on that day well

[3:44:54] Trustee Luckham: we could hold a special meeting after

[3:44:56] Trustee Luckham: you'll know by then so

[3:45:00] Voice 4: you can receive something from

[3:45:02] Voice 17: yxn how do you because i

[3:45:06] Voice 23: think it was sent

[3:45:06] Voice 23: to the general mailbox yeah

[3:45:09] Voice 5: yeah i

[3:45:13] Voice 4: just want to just

[3:45:14] Voice 5: keep it moving forward

[3:45:16] Voice 4: is important to me

[3:45:17] Voice 4: and i'm very

[3:45:18] Voice 5: interested in the amendments

[3:45:19] Voice 4: because i'd be happy with that you too okay yeah and i

[3:45:24] Voice 4: guess if it's not ready for july then we could consider a special meeting right

[3:45:27] Trustee Luckham: so you don't

[3:45:29] Trustee Luckham: need direction then at this time you'll proceed and if you bring it to us in july that would be

[3:45:33] Trustee Luckham: great but if

[3:45:34] Trustee Luckham: not then we'd have to give you direction to bring it to a special

[3:45:38] Voice 4: so if i understand

[3:45:39] Voice 17: not to schedule any open houses until the special meeting and then have the open

[3:45:45] Voice 17: It will

[3:45:50] Voice 23: likely be a special meeting, though, that's fine,

[3:45:53] Voice 23: because, like I said, the timeline

[3:45:54] Voice 4: LTC next meeting is the same.

[3:45:58] Voice 4: Well,

[3:45:59] Trustee Luckham: we might be surprised, but let's assume you

[3:46:02] Trustee Grove: might want to.

[3:46:03] Trustee Grove: You're gonna have the reason you might want to look into our calendars.

[3:46:06] Trustee Grove: Make sure we're available. Usually it's quieter.

[3:46:10] Trustee Grove: Well, actually,

[3:46:11] Trustee Grove: some of us are planning to be away.

[3:46:17] Voice 23: I'm

[3:46:17] Trustee Grove: sorry, I

[3:46:18] Voice 23: might be able to bring it in July, because they may just

[3:46:22] Voice 11: check.

[3:46:23] Voice 11: Yeah, well, we'll schedule it. Yeah,

[3:46:26] Voice 4: because we already got response from Lyons and then Cowichan party.

[3:46:37] Voice 12: Okay. Good. All

[3:46:38] Voice 4: right. If not, then it will be a special meeting.

[3:46:40] Voice 4: Well,

[3:46:42] Trustee Luckham: our next meeting is I close my computer now.

[3:46:47] Trustee Luckham: July the twelfth. Next

[3:46:48] Voice 11: meeting is July the 12th, and if there's no further business, it's corporate Germany.

[3:46:51] Voice 11: serbia

[3:46:52] Trustee Grove: all

[3:46:53] Voice 11: those in favor that carries and

[3:46:55] Trustee Grove: thank you for your blood well thank you