South Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, July 23, 2022

[0:00:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sorry for being so rude, but I did effectively get your attention.

[0:00:08] Voice 4: Good

[0:00:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): morning. Thank you, everybody, for joining us on this wonderful weekend here.

[0:00:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): They've been few and far between. Certainly, it's what we're well into summer.

[0:00:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's great. So thank you for being here. My name is Peter Lockham.

[0:00:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm elected on Edis Island and that's in Lax and Connecticut territory.

[0:00:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): and every every morning i wake up i'm incredibly grateful to be able to live and work here in

[0:00:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): territory um it's an amazing place it's so incredibly rich in culture and history and

[0:00:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's there for our learning i encourage everybody to reach out to first nations communities and

[0:00:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): lore um recently new books coming out uh there's lots of opportunity to learn so encourage that

[0:00:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's a wonderful place to be and grateful um i am your appointed chair of the south kender local

[0:01:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust committee and today we're ostensibly doing public hearing but let me begin with introductions

[0:01:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): cameron thorne local elected trustee morning good morning peter steve wright local elected trustee

[0:01:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): morning everybody kim stockdale our planner and uh and robin elchuk um our minute taker

[0:01:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): and technology support person here today i'm grateful to both of you for being here and all

[0:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): the work that you've been doing and of course in the background uh just noting uh robin kojima dad

[0:01:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): chong so many other people that are in the background that help support and make these

[0:01:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): meetings possible for you folks and and indeed also i want to at this point acknowledge and thank

[0:01:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): all of you so many of you

[0:01:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): that have written to us and provided us your input at this point and

[0:01:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): um i've certainly encouraged conversations to the trustees and i know you've had plenty of those

[0:01:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): and hopefully we're moving in the right direction

[0:01:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll see how it all goes today.

[0:01:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So ostensibly today is a public hearing for two bylaws.

[0:02:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is very much a legislative process

[0:02:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so we need to consciously separate bylaws 122 and 123

[0:02:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that the comments associated with each of the bylaws

[0:02:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): is contained in the public hearing record

[0:02:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): of each one of those um rather than mixing it up because the offer the risk is that if somebody

[0:02:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): thought everything was in the 122 and somebody said something about 123 then that wouldn't be

[0:02:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): well received so let's just try and keep that focus on those two things um trustees have told

[0:02:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): me they're going to be very brief with our introductions here today the community

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): information meeting portion of the agenda is also going to be very brief today because we've done

[0:02:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): done lots of outreach, and it's time for, we've talked a lot, and it's now an opportunity for us

[0:02:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): to hear from you. And so when we get there, I'm going to remind you, of course, to be incredibly

[0:02:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): respectful of everybody in the room, each other, your friends and neighbors, and of course, folks

[0:03:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): that are watching on the live streaming, which we have successfully managed to connect to, and I

[0:03:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): hope that the magic is working so uh without further ado i will begin um and everybody

[0:03:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): understand the process we're going to go into today oh i should just say um my expectation

[0:03:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): is for this meeting uh both public hearings to adjourn at 2 30 in order to be able to get the

[0:03:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff and myself off and we can get home to our our families and so um we want to give you plenty

[0:03:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): plenty of opportunity, but obviously we don't need to repeat the same thing necessarily. So

[0:03:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): really want to focus on new information, even new information above and beyond what you've written

[0:03:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): to us too about, because it's on the public record, but absolutely we want to hear from you

[0:03:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): today. And so let's carry on. So that's all of my introductions. Any questions from the trustees?

[0:03:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): No? Perfect. So then we have an agenda before us, and I'll just simply ask, and it's a revised

[0:04:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): revised agenda, which was updated in the last few days based upon some other material coming to us.

[0:04:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so, for Saskatchewan, is there anything else to add to the agenda? Trustees or staff? No?

[0:04:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, then. So, then let's approve the agenda as presented by general consent.

[0:04:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes. And thank you all for that. And it's been suggested that the trustees didn't have any

[0:04:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): particular to report today, so we'll skip over the trustee report section.

[0:04:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Myself, I'm going to respect that.

[0:04:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Also, although it is lovely to be here on Pender Island.

[0:04:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Some of you know I have a long family connection to Pender,

[0:04:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it's really great for me to be back here.

[0:04:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So town hall and questions is your opportunity normally to bring other issues

[0:04:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): or comments with respect to bylaws.

[0:04:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): But obviously going into public hearings, we will address that when we get there.

[0:04:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): But just simply respect that it's on the agenda.

[0:04:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): is there any questions or any other topics that you'd like to address the local trust

[0:04:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee about today okay thank you

[0:05:03] Voice 3: oh

[0:05:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): there you go yes

[0:05:05] Voice 3: is the bio 122 is the wording changed

[0:05:10] Voice 3: when we last sat here uh at open june

[0:05:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): 2nd no and i'm

[0:05:17] Voice 3: gonna actually turn that

[0:05:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): to uh the staff and

[0:05:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): we get i'm just going to briefly touch on that community information piece and staff will tell

[0:05:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): exactly where we're at

[0:05:24] Voice 3: and the same question for bio exactly

[0:05:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): has not changed since the last time

[0:05:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): it was in a public venue yeah um anything else right so let me then just quickly go let's start

[0:05:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm i'm sort of rejigging the agenda tiny little bit i'm inclined to do

[0:05:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): community information meeting on 122 go to public hearing on 122

[0:05:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): community information on 23 and then do 123 is that all right okay so then uh kim stockdale

[0:05:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you very much for your work um i'll just let you give that very brief uh answering the

[0:06:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): question there about about 122 great

[0:06:04] Voice 9: thank you and i will go over um the amendments and first

[0:06:07] Voice 9: reading i'm just going to go over really be a brief um

[0:06:11] Voice 10: overview because i'm hoping that most

[0:06:13] Voice 10: people have attended both the june 2nd and june 17th community

[0:06:17] Voice 9: information meeting so the land

[0:06:20] Voice 9: use bylaw amendments project was initiated in early 2021 at that time the ltc identified a

[0:06:28] Voice 9: number of topics in order to amend the land use bylaw and those were to address the maximum floor

[0:06:35] Voice 9: area setback regulations agricultural regulations

[0:06:39] Voice 10: shipping containers regulations and other minor

[0:06:43] Voice 10: minor and technical amendments in

[0:06:46] Voice 9: august of 2021 last year a community information meeting was held

[0:06:51] Voice 9: by both trustee thorne and trustee wright the ltc then gave direction to staff in september of last

[0:06:58] Voice 9: year to start drafting the bylaw bylaw number 122 was then given first reading in february of this

[0:07:06] Voice 9: year at the may 6th meeting uh the when there was originally a public hearing scheduled due to the

[0:07:15] Voice 9: large number of people that showed up at the fire hall uh the ltc decided to defer the public hearing

[0:07:21] Voice 9: until there was a venue to accommodate um everybody that attended at that meeting bylaw

[0:07:27] Voice 9: number one two two was that first reading was also rescinded amendments were made to bylaw one two

[0:07:33] Voice 9: two, and then that

[0:07:34] Voice 10: was given first reading. After that, there, as I mentioned, there were two

[0:07:40] Voice 10: community information meetings. One was held on June 2nd at Poets' Cove, and approximately 50

[0:07:47] Voice 9: community members attended that in person. A second community information meeting was held

[0:07:52] Voice 9: on June 17th online, and I have numbers of about 45 people that attended online,

[0:07:58] Voice 9: Although there may have been more people who were just listening into or listening into the community information meeting online.

[0:08:07] Voice 9: Since then, there have been no amendments to bylaw 122 since May 6.

[0:08:13] Voice 9: And that will be my conclusion on the overview of bylaw 122. Thank you very much.

[0:08:19] Voice 9: Okay,

[0:08:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): so let us begin. So, and I apologize, this is all very formal and required legislation, but nonetheless.

[0:08:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): nonetheless. The public hearing proposed by law number 122 is now open. I want to naturally

[0:08:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): welcome everybody here in attendance to acknowledge our meeting on Coast Salish

[0:08:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): territory. My name is Peter Ockham, Chair of the South Kendra LCC, and I've introduced your

[0:08:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustees here earlier and our planning staff, so I'm just going to continue.

[0:08:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): this public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the local government act

[0:08:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): in order to consider the following proposed bylaw bylaw number 122 cited the south bender island

[0:09:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): land use bylaw number 114 2016 amendment number two persons who believe that their interest in

[0:09:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): property is affected by the proposed bylaw will be given reasonable opportunity to be heard

[0:09:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): to present submissions respecting matters

[0:09:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): those wishing to speak should convene commence their presentation by clearly stating their name

[0:09:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): and address members of the local trust committee may if they wish ask questions of you following

[0:09:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): your presentation however the main function of the local trust committee members is to listen

[0:09:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the views of the public.

[0:09:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): It is not the function of committee members

[0:09:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws

[0:09:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): with individual citizens at this time.

[0:09:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[0:09:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): and none should feel discouraged

[0:10:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): from presenting his or her views.

[0:10:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): In considering the proposed bylaws,

[0:10:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): the local trust committee has received documents

[0:10:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): which may influence its decision.

[0:10:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Those documents are available for review

[0:10:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): during the hearing on our website

[0:10:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I believe in the binder on the back table and I see also there's a couple of binders there that

[0:10:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): are also public hearing documents and all of the material that you have sent us as well as

[0:10:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): other reports and the like are contained in those binders and on the website. Any person who wishes

[0:10:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): to present a written submission to the trust committee may do so and all written submissions

[0:10:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): must be received by the local trust committee before the close of the hearing.

[0:10:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Please send written submissions to the email address, which I think you're aware of.

[0:10:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not going to try and read it out.

[0:10:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): But

[0:10:57] Voice 1: also, you can

[0:10:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): hand those written submissions to me, and they will become part of the public record.

[0:11:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): After your opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaw is during the hearing,

[0:11:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): as members of the local trust committee may not receive further submissions after the close

[0:11:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the hearing and that's to be sure that everybody is aware everything that has been discussed

[0:11:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): after this public hearing has concluded the local trust committee may without further notice

[0:11:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): make whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws that is the subject of

[0:11:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): the public hearing so that's our uh my opening remarks and i thank you for your patience there

[0:11:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'll just turn to the planner uh uh were you planning on running through this

[0:11:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes that's required also as part of the legislation so go ahead thank you

[0:11:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): a copy

[0:11:47] Voice 9: of this a copy of the notice for this public hearing was advertised in two consecutive

[0:11:52] Voice 9: editions of the driftwood on july 6th and july 13th of this year all notification requirements

[0:12:00] Voice 9: under the local government act have been completed there is a copy of the complete

[0:12:05] Voice 9: meet public hearing binder available during the public hearing as chair luckham said it's at the

[0:12:10] Voice 9: back here there's also one at the front and also on our website under the project site on the south

[0:12:17] Voice 9: pender ltc webpage the purpose of proposed bylaw number 122 if adopted will amend the south pender

[0:12:25] Voice 9: land use bylaw to include new agricultural regulations reduce maximum floor areas for

[0:12:33] Voice 9: dwellings in

[0:12:33] Voice 10: the rural residential zones and other zones reduce setbacks for dwellings and cottages

[0:12:39] Voice 10: in the rural residential zones increase the

[0:12:42] Voice 9: setback from the natural boundary of the sea

[0:12:46] Voice 9: include clauses for those buildings or structures that may be deemed legal non-conforming due to the

[0:12:52] Voice 9: new regulations and other minor amendments the proposed bylaw was referred to the capital

[0:12:58] Voice 9: regional district building inspection north pender and saturn island local trust committees

[0:13:04] Voice 9: and the agricultural land commission for comment uh staff also sent the um

[0:13:13] Voice 9: amended bylaw from may 6 to the agro agricultural land commission and we received their comments

[0:13:19] Voice 9: uh recently um concerning the updated bylaw um it was also referred to over to 13 first nations

[0:13:28] Voice 9: and also the Wasanich Leadership Council for comment,

[0:13:32] Voice 9: and all of those either were no comment or interest unaffected.

[0:13:38] Voice 9: And the number of public submissions received up to this minute

[0:13:43] Voice 9: is 88 for By-law 122.

[0:13:47] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:13:48] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:13:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[0:13:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): So regarding the public hearing itself now,

[0:13:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Now, submissions can be made at any time during and until the close of the hearing.

[0:14:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): If any submissions are received during the meeting, we will pause prior to closing to

[0:14:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): ensure that the LTC has time to review those submissions.

[0:14:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Submissions should be emailed at vichph.ca.

[0:14:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I invite members of the public who wish to speak to, you know, you can line up and

[0:14:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): self-organize yourself at this sort of podium we've created here.

[0:14:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): here. And of course, what you want to be doing is speaking to

[0:14:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): the trustees. The audience can hear what you're saying. But

[0:14:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): indeed, this is a to be directed at the trustees. Please state

[0:14:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): name prior to making comments after presentation. Oh, and I've

[0:14:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): got a speakers list, by the way, I'm going to start with that

[0:14:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): speakers list. And there's a blank sheet at the back for

[0:14:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): those that haven't signed up. And I'm going to be fairly

[0:14:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Please state your name after your presentation in the LTC and the trustees may ask you questions,

[0:15:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): but they're primarily here to listen and I'm going to call three times before closing this

[0:15:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): hearing on bylaw 122 if there's any further written submissions before we close that hearing.

[0:15:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So like I said, I've got a speaker's list here. I've got 15 names on it. I'm going to go through

[0:15:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): through this list and then certainly ask for more people

[0:15:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): to come up.

[0:15:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): If I see that people are filling out a speaker's list

[0:15:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): at the back, there would be in a sequence,

[0:15:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): I will pause for a moment.

[0:15:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): We'll pick up a fresh sheet if that's necessary,

[0:15:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): but we can also be a little bit more informal.

[0:15:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): And as long as I get through these first 15 people,

[0:15:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): if people wanna line up after that,

[0:15:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): then we can manage that accordingly.

[0:15:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's not difficult.

[0:15:45] Voice 9: sorry i just want to clarify a point that was made for file 122. yeah submissions

[0:15:52] Voice 9: you want to clarify that it's not in favor of that just to respect just receive yeah

[0:15:57] Voice 9: good question thank you um

[0:16:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think that concludes it so we'll start up with the speakers list so

[0:16:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): again just a reminder um um you know the last meeting that we had was the last meeting that

[0:16:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): we had. I certainly had feedback from lots of people that felt intimidated with some of the

[0:16:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): language and my lack of ability to manage the situation. So let's just be conscious of that,

[0:16:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that we're all neighbors and friends and, you know, respected colleagues and staff. We need this

[0:16:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be safe, to provide everybody the opportunity to be able to feel free to speak without

[0:16:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): without criticism and so just ask you to think about that keep your voice sort of you know sort

[0:16:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): of normal level don't speak to individuals but speak to the issue and um and and of course um

[0:16:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): it will all be well received in that nature so uh just and if i feel that things are going sideways

[0:17:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): i will ask you to pause reflect on your language you want to be respectful because you get caught

[0:17:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): caught up in the moment and just reflect on your use of language and allow you to continue

[0:17:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): if necessary. I'm fairly generous with time usually and I'm looking at the clock thinking

[0:17:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): about the time so I'm going to set our speaker speaking time for the first time for maximum

[0:17:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): four minutes. I got a timer here that I'm going to run and if you run out of time and ideally if

[0:17:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): can self-manage a little bit it saves me having to tell you um uh four minutes and then um if

[0:17:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's time uh before we get to what you know perceived as maybe an hour or so hour and a half

[0:17:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): maybe for this session then there'll be an opportunity for you to come back a second time

[0:17:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): because we do want to recognize you you should have the right to be able to address us accordingly

[0:17:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): but

[0:17:57] Voice 1: we also don't

[0:17:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): necessarily need to hear the same thing over and over again

[0:18:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): although if you

[0:18:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): conservative emphasize things points that you think are very important so that's enough for

[0:18:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): me i think you get the gist of it and so i'm just going to kind of stay a little bit ahead so you

[0:18:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): know who's next on the list christina that's all i think it is and then paul petrie and bruce mcconkey

[0:18:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): sir all right

[0:18:19] Voice 9: are we going into community information meeting now or directly in the

[0:18:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): public hearing i'm sorry we did the community information piece that's what uh kensington at

[0:18:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): the beginning we're now in the public table i

[0:18:31] Voice 3: had a quick question for the

[0:18:35] Voice 3: could i think it's on first can i ask my it's a quick question um i

[0:18:41] Voice 3: didn't realize that we'd

[0:18:41] Voice 3: gone so yeah i'm sorry

[0:18:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): if i wasn't clear um um so let's

[0:18:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh let's just pause for a moment then okay

[0:18:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): um but i don't want to spend a lot of time on uh questions at this time because

[0:18:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): we've done a lot of that already

[0:18:55] Voice 9: so

[0:18:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): um do you want me to stand up there it would be best but

[0:19:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think actually uh jordy gordon sort of maybe said that he had a question first well i i i'm

[0:19:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry i missed the uh

[0:19:07] Voice 5: how worried so

[0:19:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you have a question i did have a question yes do you want to

[0:19:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): ask that question uh okay um 40 duncan

[0:19:18] Voice 9: now um in the last meeting the last cim

[0:19:24] Voice 9: june 17th there was a number brought up of 11 homes would exceed uh i don't know what i would

[0:19:33] Voice 9: say become non-performing yeah but others may say different very well and i'm concerned as to where

[0:19:39] Voice 9: that number came from because uh if it came from bc assessment it's not a verified number and i

[0:19:47] Voice 9: suggest that of all the categories were included that would be non-conforming the number could be

[0:19:54] Voice 9: easily 25 okay

[0:19:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): so um do we have an answer to that question where 11 homes came from

[0:20:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[0:20:05] Voice 6: can certainly speak to that. Again, working with the best data that we have,

[0:20:10] Voice 6: Cordy Duncan and I, about a year and a half ago, exchanged data spreadsheets that we had both

[0:20:17] Voice 6: compiled using BC Assessment Authority data and the CRD mapping system. And the data from the

[0:20:28] Voice 6: government sources when you sorted it it indicated the number of homes uh the size of the homes and

[0:20:35] Voice 6: the data field showed that there would have been 11 homes that would have been greater than 3 500

[0:20:40] Voice 6: square feet so it's the best data that we have to go on and it's not it's again we can have a

[0:20:46] Voice 6: conversation about legal law conforming because it's a bit of a superfluous thing anyhow because

[0:20:50] Voice 6: everybody would be protected uh through the mechanisms that we're proposing but but to to

[0:20:56] Voice 6: To answer Gordie's question, that's where it came from.

[0:20:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let's stick to the question.

[0:20:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So 11 homes, not an official document, obviously, by any stretch, but some guidance.

[0:21:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Guarded from gunmen sources.

[0:21:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Level over 3,500, yeah.

[0:21:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): One last question, and let's get to you telling us what you think.

[0:21:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Try and stick to a question.

[0:21:14] Voice 3: Christina Cashel, Long Island Road.

[0:21:17] Voice 3: My question is something that I didn't see before because I missed the previous community information meeting.

[0:21:24] Voice 3: it has to do with um the building permits that if we haven't started our work on our building

[0:21:33] Voice 3: by the time this gets adopted then we have to reapply for a permit um we've had our permits

[0:21:39] Voice 3: since

[0:21:39] Voice 9: january we've been held hostage by the dip because we can't get the machinery down there and

[0:21:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): get started just to focus on the question is will you i'm

[0:21:49] Voice 3: getting to my question okay

[0:21:50] Voice 3: I'm getting that and I'll be quick because

[0:21:56] Voice 9: you've been held hostage by the machine down there so should this pass and we've had our permits since January, we've had full intention of building, but we

[0:22:05] Voice 3: cannot start, are we then going to have to have our permit,

[0:22:10] Voice 3: So my question is, can you put in a date that if you've received your building permit,

[0:22:16] Voice 3: pass this date versus if you haven't reached a particular point by the time this gets adopted?

[0:22:24] Voice 3: Because there's a lot of us with a background of work and can't start.

[0:22:28] Voice 3: And I think that that's a very... I don't want to say I'm fair because that's...

[0:22:33] Voice 3: I

[0:22:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): think you have your permit, but let me ask staff what staff think about that.

[0:22:41] Voice 10: well and we talked about this earlier is when you receive your um bylaws when you apply for

[0:22:48] Voice 10: your building permit um that doesn't give you necessarily the automatic right that the old

[0:22:55] Voice 10: land use bylaw would be retained but if you've done some type of land um construction or alteration

[0:23:02] Voice 10: you put in that driveway and we discussed it looks sounds like you have a truck but we haven't

[0:23:06] Voice 3: done any

[0:23:06] Voice 10: additional work because we can't get the machinery down there yes i understand that but the

[0:23:10] Voice 10: use of the dwelling the intent of what you're doing is the intent of the use you've already

[0:23:15] Voice 10: established so in your circumstance you would have the right then to build your house to the

[0:23:21] Voice 10: regulations that stand today not

[0:23:23] Voice 9: the new regulations correct

[0:23:24] Voice 6: if you've got an issued

[0:23:25] Voice 6: building permit so yes yes

[0:23:27] Voice 6: yeah you're good you're fine okay

[0:23:29] Voice 9: i was just curious because the wording

[0:23:30] Voice 9: said even if you've got a building permit issued if you haven't reached a certain point you have

[0:23:35] Voice 9: to be a partner

[0:23:35] Voice 5: you have to begin you

[0:23:37] Voice 9: have to begin some type of but you've already done that

[0:23:40] Voice 9: you have your driveway you you're it's

[0:23:43] Voice 10: one of them but you're like a fair land

[0:23:44] Voice 9: yeah we've had

[0:23:45] Voice 9: that for 22 years already yeah i know

[0:23:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's okay um so um there was kind of a point of order about

[0:23:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): whether or not we could recess the public hearing just

[0:23:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): so you know what the conversation is and i

[0:24:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't want to do that um and i apologize for not picking up that that we're moving along

[0:24:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): quickly. So let us continue with the public hearing now and my speakers list starts with Christine

[0:24:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Petzl, Paul Petrie, Bruce McConkie and then I'll keep going through in that order and I will be

[0:24:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): running a timer. I ask you to step up there so that we can clearly see who you are. If I start

[0:24:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): waiting at you. Got it. Okay

[0:24:26] Voice 3: so Christina Petzl again on Gavin Point. So we did, myself and a

[0:24:32] Voice 3: a couple of other people took it upon ourselves we're not part of any group or anything you're

[0:24:36] Voice 3: just residents to go knocking door to door to find out um where people are standing on the

[0:24:42] Voice 3: specifically on the house reduction and the setback increase um and

[0:24:48] Voice 9: it's just a straight

[0:24:48] Voice 9: poll of whether you are opposed poor or neutral oh sorry speak to them

[0:24:55] Voice 4: but we can't do it yeah

[0:24:56] Voice 9: i'll start again i'll take this off so maybe that's a bit better is that better yeah okay

[0:25:00] Voice 9: Okay, so myself and a couple of other people took it upon ourselves to do a poll of the residents on South Pender owners, specifically owners.

[0:25:11] Voice 9: The criteria was that they have to own land, they had to be an owner, it couldn't be a guest or anything.

[0:25:21] Voice 9: And it was whether they were for, opposed or neutral on the house size reduction and the increase in the setbacks.

[0:25:31] Voice 9: We also had the criteria. It was only one position per household.

[0:25:37] Voice 9: And the numbers that came out of that for the reduction in house sizes out for opposed, it was 104 opposed.

[0:25:47] Voice 9: Four was 41 and neutral was 14, which equates to 65% opposed, 26% for 9% neutral.

[0:25:58] Voice 9: For the setbacks, it was 102 people were opposed, 42 people

[0:26:03] Voice 3: were for, 15% were neutral, so that

[0:26:07] Voice 3: equates to 64% opposed, 26

[0:26:09] Voice 9: % for, and 9% neutral.

[0:26:13] Voice 9: For those people that went on a property, if we were able to find a phone number or

[0:26:18] Voice 9: an email address, we contacted them that way.

[0:26:22] Voice 9: We reached 62% of owners on South Panda.

[0:26:27] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:26:28] Voice 9: Thank

[0:26:28] Voice 4: you very much, Mr. President.

[0:26:29] Voice 4: So, Paul Petrie.

[0:26:31] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:26:40] Voice 4: Good morning, everybody.

[0:26:42] Voice 4: It's great.

[0:26:42] Voice 4: This is such a good turnout.

[0:26:46] So, I'd like to focus my

[0:26:49] Voice 1: comments on a couple of things.

[0:26:51] Voice 1: One is a little bit of background about how we got the current bylaws.

[0:26:55] Voice 1: And I was involved with the Advisory Planning Commission in 2016.

[0:27:00] Voice 1: 2016, and the Advisory

[0:27:03] Voice 9: Planning Commission recommended 3,500 square feet as the maximum

[0:27:07] Voice 9: house size.

[0:27:08] Voice 9: There wasn't much data

[0:27:10] Voice 1: in that time.

[0:27:10] Voice 1: We can credit Trustee Thorne and Gordy to pull up data to be guided by.

[0:27:18] Voice 1: But in 2016, what happened was the trustees of the day decided to set the maximum limit

[0:27:29] Voice 1: on the largest houses in each category.

[0:27:32] Voice 1: So that's how we got the large numbers that we have.

[0:27:38] Voice 1: So this approach essentially allowed for a default

[0:27:42] Voice 1: to building larger houses far beyond the average house size.

[0:27:46] Voice 1: I'm just asking indirectly.

[0:27:49] Voice 6: You're supposed to be talking to us.

[0:27:51] Voice 1: Okay, thank you.

[0:27:52] Voice 1: And the average house size in this community right now,

[0:27:57] Voice 1: according to that role list is just under 2,000 square feet and so the proposal in bylaw 122

[0:28:16] Voice 1: really complies with and reinforces some of the key goals in the OCP including maintaining the

[0:28:24] Voice 1: rural character and protecting the natural features and biological diversity of the island

[0:28:30] Voice 1: ensuring that land use and i think this is key ensuring that land use development and associated

[0:28:35] Voice 1: servicing are compatible with rural island character and that their growth is gradual and

[0:28:42] Voice 1: sustainable and also to ensure that land use planning and development promote reductions

[0:28:48] Voice 1: in greenhouse gas emissions those are three key goals in our ocp i'm going to focus now on small

[0:28:58] Voice 1: acreage plots. The current maximum size house for a lot under one acre is 3,800 square feet.

[0:29:07] Voice 1: That is the equivalent of 22 rooms measuring 12 by 14 feet, a very large house. The proposed

[0:29:15] Voice 1: maximum for a house under one acre is 2,500 square feet, the equivalent of 12 by 14 rooms,

[0:29:22] Voice 1: rooms, also a large house in my view.

[0:29:25] Voice 1: In a previous submission, I outlined

[0:29:28] Voice 1: what would be available for somebody building

[0:29:30] Voice 1: a house of 2,500 square feet.

[0:29:33] Voice 1: I'll just quickly summarize a large living room,

[0:29:35] Voice 1: a large dining room, large kitchen, four bedrooms,

[0:29:39] Voice 1: two of which are master suites with private baths

[0:29:42] Voice 1: and a two-car garage.

[0:29:44] Voice 1: If you took the two-car garage and made it a separate building,

[0:29:53] Voice 1: that house with those amenities would be approximately 2000 square feet.

[0:29:57] Voice 1: So I really my point is this.

[0:30:00] Voice 1: that I think that 2,500 square feet for a small lot

[0:30:03] Voice 1: is very sensible and very generous

[0:30:07] Voice 1: in terms of lifestyles on the island.

[0:30:12] Voice 1: The key here, because it's a small lot under one acre,

[0:30:16] Voice 1: is that often those lots are clustered in a neighborhood.

[0:30:20] Voice 1: And if we had houses, let's just say, for example,

[0:30:23] Voice 1: and we try to envision that of the 41 lots

[0:30:29] Voice 1: under one acre, if a third of those lots built to the maximum 35, 3800 square feet, that

[0:30:42] Voice 1: would change the composition of those neighborhoods pretty dramatically, particularly when they're

[0:30:46] Voice 1: clustered.

[0:30:47] Voice 1: It would impact the privacy of individuals.

[0:30:50] Voice 1: It would impact, particularly because these are located around shorefront properties,

[0:30:58] Voice 1: would really impact the sensitive ecosystems there.

[0:31:01] And this is

[0:31:02] Voice 1: what the current bylaws allow.

[0:31:04] Voice 1: And I'm quite concerned about right now.

[0:31:08] Voice 1: Four minutes, 24 seconds.

[0:31:10] Voice 1: Four minutes.

[0:31:11] Voice 1: I will wrap up then.

[0:31:12] Voice 1: So I think the three points that I want to make

[0:31:15] Voice 1: are that the proposed bylaws retain the rural character

[0:31:21] Voice 1: of our island community,

[0:31:24] Voice 1: protect the integrity of the natural environment

[0:31:27] Voice 1: and reduce greenhouse gas emissions with size.

[0:31:31] Voice 1: And the final thing I'd like to say, Chair,

[0:31:35] Voice 1: is that when viewed objectively,

[0:31:39] Voice 1: by law, 122 achieves a balance

[0:31:41] Voice 1: that respects property rights

[0:31:44] Voice 1: within the preserve and protect mandate.

[0:31:47] Voice 1: So I'd like to thank you for your attention today.

[0:31:49] Voice 1: And I'm going to give you all of my remarks for the record.

[0:31:53] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:31:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you, Paul.

[0:31:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so our next speaker, Bruce McConkie, and just before Bruce starts, and this isn't meant as a comment on Paul's presentation, which was excellent and informative, but of course you lose time in the preamble if you tell us stuff that we already collectively know this is about what you think.

[0:32:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know, i.e. Bruce, this bylaw stinks, or I love it,

[0:32:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): or whatever it is that your personal position is.

[0:32:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to, yeah, thank you, yeah, that's great, wow.

[0:32:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): So just helping you out, just move us along.

[0:32:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Bruce McConkie, nice to see you.

[0:32:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Nice to see you,

[0:32:35] Voice 9: and before you hit the clock,

[0:32:40] Voice 9: I have just one question, quick question,

[0:32:44] Voice 9: it'll it'll help me focus my my comments too and then uh you need to give me 30 seconds or i'm not

[0:32:51] Voice 9: going to be able to say anything nice to you like those preamble things that's really nice and being

[0:32:56] Voice 9: giving up first of all um i submitted a letter to all three of you on june the 16th or you're

[0:33:03] Voice 9: nodding you have read it okay i never got any answers to my questions to up till now and that

[0:33:09] Voice 9: sort of thing so i'm just making sure yes you indeed read it because i know you've got a lot

[0:33:12] Voice 9: of submissions and trust me also does have um and i have been trying to just say thank you for

[0:33:19] Voice 9: sitting in those seats those are tough seats to sit in and thank you for your passion we agree

[0:33:35] Voice 9: so you can start the clock here and i'm going to address this okay um

[0:33:39] Voice 9: the problem with the

[0:33:41] Voice 9: what's going on right now here is is a problem inherent in the items trust actually

[0:33:46] Voice 9: and during the island's trust governance review in february 2022 great northern management

[0:33:51] Voice 9: consultant pointed this out rather clearly in connecting good governance principles to island's

[0:33:56] Voice 9: trust practices the island's trust career practices there are persistent divisions around the meaning

[0:34:02] Voice 9: and preserve and protect object and the measures necessary to uphold it so currently it's left up

[0:34:10] Voice 9: to the local trustees to develop their own means of achieving this mandate and the results as

[0:34:15] Voice 9: personal opinions sometimes drives the planned amendments and even the definition of rural

[0:34:20] Voice 9: so i have four points because my question to you is you have a passion for it i understand

[0:34:25] Voice 9: where the direction you want to go but are these amendments are they actually achieving

[0:34:31] Voice 9: without causing unintended consequences as robert kojima points out regularly to to us

[0:34:39] Voice 9: um do they actually achieve what you do so i've got four quick points here and i'll take a minute

[0:34:44] Voice 9: at each one for less okay the setback the 55 when i questioned that uh with trustee right thank you

[0:34:51] Voice 9: for meeting with me by the way uh you stated that uh the south pender island is the only trust area

[0:34:56] Voice 9: um that does not have this 50-foot setback well and looking at the bios even chair luckens item

[0:35:02] Voice 9: fetus has a 25-foot setback i also point out the fact that what does the 50-foot setback actually

[0:35:08] Voice 9: actually achieve on the islands and they said take a look across from South Pender from the spit across to North Pender, and that's a 50 foot setback.

[0:35:17] Voice 9: What do they achieve there in rural character? Well, long stairways down to the beach and a lot of trees removed.

[0:35:23] Voice 9: So I think, okay, what are we accomplishing just by stating a 50 foot setback?

[0:35:28] Voice 9: Other islands and their bylaws that actually have a restricted 50 foot setback actually, depending on the geological formation, provide a provision.

[0:35:36] Voice 9: So if you're bound and determined to do the 50-foot set diet, I would suggest that maybe you take a look at those other clauses so that there may be some exceptions, because there are definitely exceptions.

[0:35:47] Voice 9: And so if this is preserving the shoreline, then take a look at that really closely.

[0:35:53] Voice 9: House sizes.

[0:35:54] Voice 9: Now, that's interesting because the – let me see.

[0:35:59] Voice 9: Let's put this paperwork.

[0:36:01] Voice 9: work doesn't see it um under house sizes during the previous term there was a very fulsome

[0:36:07] Voice 9: discussion in our community and we addressed potential houses opposites ends of the spectrum

[0:36:12] Voice 9: we'd have ones that build limitations right down to very very limited we came up with we thought

[0:36:18] Voice 9: was a compromise at the time and the community seemed to accept those restrictions so the

[0:36:23] Voice 9: arbitrary further uh restriction doesn't make sense but very briefly i'll explain my house

[0:36:28] Voice 9: of just over an acre you've got a new restriction of 3 000 square feet i'm under

[0:36:33] Voice 9: that still however

[0:36:35] Voice 9: in that same amendment you're allowing 6 000 total square footage on that so i look at it i can have

[0:36:41] Voice 9: a dwelling 3 000 square feet my garage is 1500 square feet i can have an outbuilding 750 and

[0:36:47] Voice 9: studios 750. so what have you accomplished in restricting the house size because normally

[0:36:53] Voice 9: that studio could be incorporated in my house if i had a little bit more room that was the intent so

[0:36:58] Voice 9: So just take a look at those and compare them.

[0:37:02] Voice 9: The clause to allow shipping containers.

[0:37:06] Voice 9: To me, the containers are a constant reminder of the shipping industry,

[0:37:09] Voice 9: which is one of the most polluting industries in the world.

[0:37:11] Voice 9: And we've got a constant view of that, if you've noticed the anchors around us.

[0:37:16] Voice 9: So by permitting a shipping container, you're opening a Pandora's box,

[0:37:19] Voice 9: because you also, in your amendments, provide for a screening,

[0:37:24] Voice 9: which has to be a vegetation, not even a fence screening.

[0:37:27] Voice 9: So how are you going to grow something quick enough for a temporary container on your property to actually keep a rural perspective with that?

[0:37:36] Voice 9: And then the final one is the cisterns.

[0:37:39] Voice 9: And we brought in cisterns, Wendy and I were trustees, we brought in cisterns in hopes of preventing the overuse of groundwater.

[0:37:48] Voice 9: water by changing the word from rainwater collection system to to fresh water enables

[0:37:55] Voice 9: uh stevie will point out to me in our meeting the fact that when you can recharge this with

[0:38:00] Voice 9: your groundwater with your well so i said well what have you done to protect groundwater

[0:38:05] Voice 9: so the question remains there you're bringing the cistern in that we brought in to take advantage of

[0:38:10] Voice 9: rainwater that we get in november and march and yet you're replacing it with the ability of people

[0:38:15] Voice 9: of not to collect rainwater but to get into our groundwater system so those are the four points

[0:38:19] Voice 9: think about it hopefully that when you make these amendments how to achieve what we're

[0:38:25] Voice 9: really wanting to achieve thank you thanks

[0:38:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): bruce four minutes 50 seconds just for the perfect

[0:38:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you um uh so we got uh don um i can't quite read the meeting here but

[0:38:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): but Dag Felleck, Wayne Edwards, and then Mary Ann.

[0:38:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mary Ann,

[0:38:46] Voice 5: you know who you are, right?

[0:38:47] Voice 5: Hi.

[0:38:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mary, thank you.

[0:38:49] Voice 5: Thank you, yes.

[0:38:51] Voice 5: I'm gonna be pretty brief, I think.

[0:38:53] Voice 5: Bruce, what you said, I pretty much agree with a

[0:38:57] Voice 9: lot of it.

[0:38:57] Voice 9: In particular, the wording you used was, you know,

[0:39:01] Voice 9: the importance of the changes proposed

[0:39:04] Voice 5: achieving the mandates.

[0:39:06] Voice 5: And I feel like that's the weakness here.

[0:39:08] Voice 5: and I cannot support either by law and that's what I'll say for the bylaws as well because I don't

[0:39:14] Voice 5: think the process has been

[0:39:15] Voice 7: good enough to be able to communicate with us how it's achieving those

[0:39:23] Voice 7: mandates

[0:39:24] Voice 5: and so I feel like it is kind of arbitrary and that's maybe some people's opinion

[0:39:30] Voice 5: that they do but it's not been clearly laid out. Paul you also mentioned that a quick

[0:39:38] Voice 5: uh you know in more detail than i've heard so far in these meetings and so we need to go much much

[0:39:45] Voice 5: further down that road of discussing the issues and uh so so i feel like we cannot you know it

[0:39:52] Voice 5: would be detrimental to move forward without having addressed it properly in my opinion

[0:40:00] Voice 12: um wayne edward

[0:40:16] Voice 2: thanks very much for the opportunity to talk to you with the um i also agree with

[0:40:22] Voice 2: chris mcconkie's comments which are much more uh planned up than my own

[0:40:26] Voice 5: but nonetheless i thought

[0:40:28] Voice 5: i'd reinforce some of the key uh disagreements

[0:40:34] Voice 2: i guess i'd say with with your proposal um first of

[0:40:39] Voice 2: First of all, the reduction in the dwelling floor area,

[0:40:43] Voice 2: which we've heard lots about this

[0:40:45] Voice 2: in previous information meeting.

[0:40:48] Voice 2: I don't think it's substantiated in any way,

[0:40:53] Voice 2: the information meeting anyways,

[0:40:56] Voice 2: you didn't present anything that would convince me

[0:40:58] Voice 2: that what you're proposing

[0:41:00] Voice 2: and the rather drastic reduction

[0:41:02] Voice 2: would actually yield any change

[0:41:04] Voice 2: to the rural character of the community.

[0:41:07] Voice 2: If we accept already

[0:41:09] Voice 2: we live in a rural setting, then reducing and growing size is not necessarily

[0:41:17] Voice 2: connected to preserving or enhancing that rural character.

[0:41:22] Voice 2: I have lots of familiarity with rural characters farmland, we go and visit every so many years

[0:41:30] Voice 2: with people and see, we don't say, well, they don't live in the rural setting anymore because

[0:41:36] Voice 9: because they live in a 4,000-per-foot house,

[0:41:38] Voice 9: and I don't differ my opinion

[0:41:40] Voice 9: if they live in a 2,000-per-foot house.

[0:41:43] Voice 5: That is not what you're doing.

[0:41:45] Voice 5: If you

[0:41:45] Voice 2: want a preserver of character,

[0:41:47] Voice 2: you focus on the wildlife habitat.

[0:41:51] Voice 2: You focus on how you alter terrain,

[0:41:54] Voice 2: how you construct hard surfaces,

[0:41:58] Voice 2: these kinds of things, which you have included,

[0:42:01] Voice 2: but the dwelling area in itself is perfectly adequate

[0:42:05] Voice 2: but the way it is because we live in an area that's a rural setting and i

[0:42:09] Voice 9: think the other

[0:42:11] Voice 9: adverse effect of what you're proposing which i don't think you anticipated is that a house is

[0:42:18] Voice 9: not just what i live in for the time i live in it we want to preserve our building stock so it serves

[0:42:25] Voice 9: multiple generations over many many years so that it doesn't get knocked down

[0:42:32] Voice 5: like that many places

[0:42:33] Voice 5: are build and then destroy because you don't like it anymore you want to have a long as possible

[0:42:41] Voice 5: lifetime so you

[0:42:42] Voice 2: have to then anticipate this varied use from the home business i work at home

[0:42:48] Voice 9: with the pandemic for all of us now we want to live age in our homes so we need support people

[0:42:54] Voice 9: i need hobbies to maintain

[0:42:56] Voice 5: my sanity i all these things and so even though i have built a house

[0:43:03] Voice 5: you know 10 years ago that complies with this 35 you know it's less than 20 or 2100 square foot

[0:43:11] Voice 5: house it's an act inadequate in many ways for what

[0:43:16] Voice 9: my wife wants to do what i want to do

[0:43:19] Voice 9: how we work from home these kind of things and to have family over it's just so what you're

[0:43:26] Voice 9: proposing i think first of all doesn't accomplish any objective and

[0:43:30] Voice 5: second of all i think that's

[0:43:33] Voice 5: adverse consequences on the property owners and the people the same goes with the setback because

[0:43:39] Voice 5: i think it's it's

[0:43:41] Voice 9: a blandage what you're proposing it's more than just a little bit out of whack but

[0:43:47] Voice 9: it's

[0:43:47] Voice 5: it's a terrible proposal we you know i designed our building and our structure so that

[0:43:55] Voice 5: we would minimize power

[0:43:57] Voice 9: use as we're going to engineer environmental engineering so i was very

[0:44:01] Voice 9: very conscious of how to reduce adverse effects

[0:44:05] Voice 9: on

[0:44:05] Voice 2: the surrounding area and all these things.

[0:44:08] Voice 2: And so I purposely laid it out

[0:44:11] Voice 2: on this one acre piece of property

[0:44:13] Voice 2: to minimize power consumption

[0:44:16] Voice 2: by not pumping water up and down

[0:44:18] Voice 2: like all our water that we need for sensitive

[0:44:22] Voice 2: to our neighbors and visiting.

[0:44:25] Voice 2: But your proposal would force me to make

[0:44:28] Voice 2: make a rather ugly post on this one acre property

[0:44:32] Voice 2: because it would not be stacked in a line.

[0:44:35] Voice 2: So used from all proportions would be quite disturbing

[0:44:40] Voice 2: because I couldn't put the septic field

[0:44:43] Voice 2: where the tank part is now to avoid pumping.

[0:44:46] Voice 2: I'd have to pump.

[0:44:48] Voice 2: And where I put the cistern and the drag,

[0:44:51] Voice 2: I couldn't put it there because I,

[0:44:53] Voice 2: so I'd end up with really quite an ugly,

[0:44:59] Voice 9: development, even though you want to preserve your own character, so I don't know mine's a one case that's pretty typical law, and I just think you sort of fail to anticipate

[0:45:10] Voice 5: fully these adverse consequences that come out of such major changes and third, I think that just.

[0:45:21] Voice 12: You

[0:45:21] Voice 9: have run out of time.

[0:45:22] Voice 9: Okay, that's what I was trying to do.

[0:45:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): and you can come back after just want to respect everybody's time

[0:45:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): the address is only for our context of the speaker's perspective so thank you so mary and

[0:45:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): And you're next, Dr. Park.

[0:45:59] Voice 10: All right,

[0:46:00] Voice 9: all right.

[0:46:01] Voice 9: Sorry, I didn't get it out.

[0:46:03] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:46:05] Voice 9: I, too, would like to thank you all

[0:46:07] Voice 9: for the work that you do,

[0:46:09] Voice 9: the very difficult work that you do,

[0:46:12] Voice 9: and the way your brains work,

[0:46:13] Voice 9: and some of these students

[0:46:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): have been very cleverly

[0:46:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): looking at a lot of these details.

[0:46:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): My mind doesn't work that way.

[0:46:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): um i live on the oak bless the south end of north pender i've owned property there for over 30 years

[0:46:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): um it's impossible for me to hear what you're whispering and this

[0:46:33] Voice 3: person is speaking

[0:46:34] Voice 3: to state our name and where we're from and i think that's important like where we're from okay i will

[0:46:44] Voice 3: be

[0:46:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): more disciplined in that way i did say that

[0:46:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's less critical it's only for our context

[0:46:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): But if

[0:46:50] Voice 9: we want to hear where the person's

[0:46:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): from, go ahead.

[0:46:53] Voice 9: 6909 Pirates Road, Oak Bluffs.

[0:46:57] Voice 9: I've watched the orca disappear over the 30 years that I've lived there.

[0:47:03] Voice 9: I've watched the habitat slowly disappearing on this island.

[0:47:08] Voice 9: And where my mind goes is the

[0:47:11] Voice 10: macrocosm of the issues that we're talking about.

[0:47:14] Voice 10: about. I understand that what you are trying to do is to preserve and protect

[0:47:21] Voice 9: the health of this

[0:47:23] Voice 9: island, the natural health of it, as well as the people. What I hear these arguments talking about

[0:47:30] Voice 9: is preservance and protecting a way of life that

[0:47:33] Voice 10: we can no longer sustain. Bigger is better,

[0:47:37] Voice 10: you know, use enormous amounts of building supplies, have whatever you want. We are past that,

[0:47:43] Voice 10: not just on pender island but on this planet we have to live differently we live in a climate

[0:47:49] Voice 10: crisis

[0:47:50] Voice 9: and when i first heard what was happening

[0:47:55] Voice 10: with the fires around british columbia as the

[0:47:59] Voice 10: climate crisis increased i started thinking what would it be like on this island if this island

[0:48:05] Voice 10: caught fire what would it be like for our community and for this habitat here that's what we're facing

[0:48:12] Voice 10: folks you're trying to create something that is going to save this island keep this island healthy

[0:48:19] Voice 9: naturally and you know the details that need to be worked out but the issue is we can't live the

[0:48:27] Voice 9: way we used to live we have to live differently because we're living in a climate crisis

[0:48:32] Voice 9: and we could be living we could be living come on let's just face that i know it's scary we're

[0:48:39] Voice 9: We're scared a lot of what's going on and being said is a result of fear.

[0:48:43] Voice 9: But this island can go up like that.

[0:48:45] Voice 9: And we have to make every decision about what we do.

[0:48:49] Voice 9: And the Islands Trust has to preserve and protect the well-being of the natural environment here.

[0:48:55] Voice 9: And the biodiversity and the carbon emissions that come out of these larger houses, the loss of biodiversity.

[0:49:03] Voice 9: And these are all the important issues that we need to be talking about.

[0:49:07] Voice 9: but not how many rooms we can have in our houses.

[0:49:10] Voice 9: And, you know, I don't know how I use up my time.

[0:49:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): You've got a minute for me.

[0:49:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[0:49:18] Voice 10: Okay, well, I mean, I just, you know,

[0:49:20] Voice 8: I just

[0:49:21] Voice 10: think the people in Lytton who built the biggest houses,

[0:49:25] Voice 10: are they thinking now I'm so glad I built that big house?

[0:49:28] Voice 10: Or are they thinking, wow, if I had more biodiversity,

[0:49:32] Voice 10: diversity. If I had more trees and moisture in the ground as a result of not developing my property,

[0:49:39] Voice 10: would my house have been safer? Anyway, that's all I'm going to say. Thank

[0:49:45] Voice 3: you very much.

[0:49:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just want to say to avoid disruptions, and I know it's not done intentionally,

[0:50:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): but let's respect the person that's speaking on the podium. You're not going to be able to get

[0:50:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): my attention because I'm trying to listen to them and take notes at the same time. And if you have

[0:50:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): a point of order that you would like to raise, raise it between the speakers. And so I just want

[0:50:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): to try and set that up to respect the person that's come here today to speak to us. So the

[0:50:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): next speaker then is Kathy Kronk. And please, your name and where you live. And then followed

[0:50:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Followed by Michael St. Pierre

[0:50:31] Voice 3: and Rachel Jensen.

[0:50:36] Voice 3: My name is Kathy Kronk.

[0:50:38] Voice 3: My address is 6616

[0:50:39] Voice 9: Harbour Hill Drive, North Pender Island.

[0:50:42] Voice 9: So do you come here?

[0:50:43] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:50:44] Voice 9: Sorry.

[0:50:45] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:50:45] Voice 4: My

[0:50:46] Voice 9: name is Kathy Kronk.

[0:50:47] Voice 9: I live at 6616 Harbour Hill Drive, which is on North Pender.

[0:50:54] Voice 9: I live on North Pender, and this letter is to convey to you about the proposed South Pender By-law 122.

[0:51:01] Voice 9: impact myself, my family, my community of Pender Island, and the broader world.

[0:51:11] Voice 9: Currently, Pender Islanders use up a lot of the Earth's resources, far more than their fair share, 75% more than their fair share.

[0:51:22] Voice 9: If everyone on the planet lived as Pender Islanders do, we would require 4.5 planets.

[0:51:29] Voice 9: Bigger homes increase the planet's reliance on those resources.

[0:51:35] Voice 9: Bigger homes require a bigger footprint to build, require more materials, and more resources

[0:51:41] Voice 9: for heating.

[0:51:43] Voice 9: One of those resources is lumber, and the removal of more trees to make room for those

[0:51:48] Voice 9: large houses.

[0:51:49] Voice 9: Trees which we rely on to sequester carbon in order to abate climate change.

[0:51:56] Voice 9: Our ecosystems are unravelling, and as a result we are losing 150 species per day.

[0:52:03] Voice 9: I have a citation for that.

[0:52:07] Voice 9: our forests and ecosystems in bc are under the same chopping block we need to change our ways

[0:52:13] Voice 9: we need to respect and support our ecosystems or expect more zoonosis that

[0:52:20] Voice 9: all of this affects

[0:52:22] Voice 9: everyone on the planet bigger homes raise property values putting more pressure on our local housing

[0:52:28] Voice 9: crisis which affects local businesses who can't find workers bigger homes require more trades

[0:52:36] Voice 9: We have all experienced the very conflict of recent and the amount of commercial vehicles

[0:52:42] Voice 9: that are coming and going from Vancouver Island to support larger homes as well as more homes

[0:52:47] Voice 9: were built.

[0:52:48] Voice 9: No doubt their incomes are over benefiting Vancouver Island businesses while overtaxing

[0:52:55] Voice 9: an already gradual system.

[0:52:57] Voice 9: system. Tenderites who would normally employ local trades are finding their time taken up

[0:53:09] Voice 9: and building homes which require more of the trade's time, which forces the locals to wait

[0:53:16] Voice 9: months to years for services or employees or employ off-iron trades, and no doubt a higher

[0:53:23] Voice 9: expense giving the travel cost a later rate for that travel. All of these impacts, all of these

[0:53:29] Voice 9: factors all impact island residents those who need larger homes larger families have the ability to

[0:53:38] Voice 9: apply for a variant so there is a way forward for those who need it there are many more reasons i

[0:53:44] Voice 9: could i could say to support this bylaw but as i have taken enough time i want to share the time

[0:53:53] Voice 9: i began this letter i believe we all need to do our share and i'm asking an island's trust to

[0:54:01] Voice 9: Thank you, Cameron, Steve, for your work on this file.

[0:54:06] Voice 9: I realize this file has been extremely difficult, and I truly appreciate your help.

[0:54:11] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:54:18] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:54:20] Voice 7: Point of order, sir.

[0:54:24] Voice 7: There are a lot of property owners from South Kendra Island here trying to deal with conditions that affect South Kendra Island,

[0:54:32] Voice 7: And I resent the fact that people from North Tender Island are being given a platform to preach.

[0:54:40] Voice 7: And I don't even think it's proper.

[0:54:43] Voice 7: Isn't there a rule against it?

[0:54:46] Voice 7: It's all

[0:54:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): people who think that their interests are affected are allowed to speak to the bylaw.

[0:54:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): So

[0:54:53] Voice 9: we're welcome to do the same with their meetings.

[0:54:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, let's not.

[0:54:57] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:54:58] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:55:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Um, let us continue. I just want to say that Kathy, if you have a written submission, you'd like to provide us. They haven't already. Please bring it to me and we'll make sure it becomes part of the writer because I've noticed you're reading a letter there.

[0:55:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Michael thinks, yeah, I don't have a point of order in a public hearing situation, unless we're clapping for the people to have the courage to speak, it can work both ways.

[0:55:33] And I think it has always been a rule of the fact that no clapping or booing, you know, but a lot of responsibility and the courage to actually go up and have something to say.

[0:55:42] But I think if that point of order is

[0:55:43] Voice 1: not correct, there should be no response.

[0:55:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Bruce, for standing up and reminding me of that.

[0:55:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): I did raise that at our last meeting, and it was not perceived by at least one person in the audience.

[0:56:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): But indeed, clapping or booing potentially sets the nature of the welcome that others with diverse points of view may wish to express.

[0:56:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, Bruce, thank you for raising that.

[0:56:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): It is important.

[0:56:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I cut sort of grimace a little bit when I hear applause because that implies support for one, and then the next person doesn't get applause. So let's just try.

[0:56:29] Voice 9: So, excellent.

[0:56:31] Voice 9: my name is mike saints here i'm at 9909 connor crescent south island

[0:56:36] Voice 9: june 17th will be bought in 2020 we're here full time now um that's why a lot of you don't look

[0:56:41] Voice 9: familiar to me but nonetheless um i just want to let you know i i do appreciate your service

[0:56:46] Voice 9: everything that you guys are doing up here and i do appreciate the opinions of the people that

[0:56:49] Voice 1: make their opinions i i don't necessarily share uh what i want to do is i'm going to try to work

[0:56:54] Voice 1: through this pretty quick um i'm going to go over what the honest trust mandate is i'm just going

[0:56:58] Voice 1: to do it very quickly to preserve objective to the benefit of residents and others right

[0:57:03] Voice 1: there's an accountability component in there beyond stress is accountable to among others

[0:57:07] Voice 1: taxpayers and the public right if anything doesn't sound right just let me know must conduct affairs

[0:57:14] Voice 1: in ethical manner consistent with legislative requirements and there's an administrative

[0:57:18] Voice 1: fairness principle that exists here and that is to act in a non-discriminatory and reasonably

[0:57:23] Voice 9: reasonably prompt manner. Provide advice, which I think is very important, and analysis

[0:57:28] Voice 9: consistent with their professional training.

[0:57:31] Voice 1: Should reasonably attempt to carry out duties

[0:57:34] Voice 1: and democratic processes that are responsible to the process. The democratic process is

[0:57:39] Voice 1: important. Then they have legal responsibilities,

[0:57:42] Voice 9: and I'm almost done with this, and then I'll

[0:57:43] Voice 1: get to my point. The policies and bylaws requiring potential enforcement should be enacted in

[0:57:47] Voice 1: good faith, that should be demonstrated, and with the view to

[0:57:51] Voice 9: reasonably attempting to

[0:57:52] Voice 9: satisfy obligations under the Act.

[0:57:55] Voice 1: The last thing and

[0:57:57] Voice 9: I think one of the most important things,

[0:57:58] Voice 9: for me anyway,

[0:57:59] Voice 1: is the opportunity to review. Effective persons should be given a reasonable

[0:58:03] Voice 1: opportunity to review the nature of

[0:58:05] Voice 9: the resulting action or decisions and to examine the information

[0:58:08] Voice 9: of other sources being considered. What

[0:58:12] Voice 9: I've seen, and again I've been here since June 17th,

[0:58:14] Voice 9: I'm going to be behind some of the people here that are much more involved, but I've been trying

[0:58:18] Voice 9: to gather as much information as i can from people in the community i think i spoke to yourself as

[0:58:23] Voice 9: well i made

[0:58:23] Voice 1: a phone call and i've seen that no specific specificity is important here

[0:58:30] environmental studies or anything

[0:58:31] Voice 1: specific to self-pender that would warrant the types of bylaws

[0:58:36] Voice 1: that are being proposed right now especially especially the restrictive nature of those

[0:58:39] Voice 1: bylaws and i think that's been spoken to already by other people with respect to house sizes

[0:58:44] Voice 1: the setback the 50 foot setback when i look at the 50 foot setback you know and i'm not saying

[0:58:49] Voice 1: that these things aren't warranted all i'm saying is i don't understand the process and i think it's

[0:58:54] Voice 1: incumbent upon the trust to convey that very specific information when somebody's going to

[0:59:00] Voice 1: be making a decision about someone's personal property so i think

[0:59:03] Voice 9: it's very very important and

[0:59:05] Voice 9: i don't think it's been done because i've been searching and i can't see anything other than

[0:59:09] Voice 9: kind of a macro perspective on what's happening globally which i it's hard to argue with those

[0:59:14] Voice 9: things i mean it's it's me it's very straightforward we do have a problem how do we

[0:59:18] Voice 9: apply that to self-pender and i think what's happening is we're taking a sledgehammer and

[0:59:23] Voice 9: we're hitting fly with it because it's already been demonstrated that 30 to 35 percent of this

[0:59:27] Voice 9: island has already been reserved as part of life that's pretty significant it's not a huge island

[0:59:32] Voice 9: that's pretty significant if you drive around and see that at that point they all

[0:59:36] Voice 1: tell me what a

[0:59:37] Voice 1: beautiful place to live that's why i moved here so in some respect i'm aligned in the thinking

[0:59:41] Voice 1: but i'm just wondering how we get to some

[0:59:44] Voice 9: place that we can all agree and i think part of the

[0:59:47] Voice 9: problem with the trust is is that they have a structure where you must consult

[0:59:54] Voice 1: but you do not

[0:59:55] Voice 1: have to get consensus and any leader will so you can always get consensus sometimes you have to do

[1:00:00] Voice 1: Nonetheless, somebody has took it upon themselves on the island, Christina, to go out and try to gather some consensus.

[1:00:05] Voice 1: So now we have the consensus, and I think it's worthy of looking at why the majority of people in that consensus say they don't agree with these.

[1:00:14] Voice 1: For me personally, I look at the restriction of house sizes, and I say to myself, okay, well, what is the objective?

[1:00:22] Voice 1: And I don't see a clear objective.

[1:00:24] Voice 1: I think I was reading on the site there was an architect that said the belief that a larger house would somehow use more energy than a smaller house.

[1:00:34] Voice 1: There's a lot of things architecturally

[1:00:36] Voice 9: that can be done to make that larger house use a similar footprint in terms of being a similar footprint to a smaller home.

[1:00:42] Voice 9: And I never saw a response to that in terms of, hey, you know, that's either legitimate or illegitimate or there's, you know, there's some other rationale for doing this.

[1:00:50] Voice 9: So I'm going to cut right to the specifics.

[1:00:52] Voice 9: Yeah, we're running out.

[1:00:53] Voice 9: I know.

[1:00:54] Voice 9: If I have to come up twice, I will just

[1:00:55] Voice 1: let you know.

[1:00:56] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:00:57] Voice 1: So as far as the impact of the house size, if you do something like that that doesn't

[1:01:03] Voice 1: have, is not based in fact or evidence that could be presented to the people that are

[1:01:06] Voice 1: being affected, you must

[1:01:08] Voice 9: consider the fact that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms under

[1:01:10] Voice 9: family status, when you just arbitrarily come up with a number

[1:01:13] Voice 1: that's not supported, can

[1:01:15] Voice 1: be affected because you cannot create legislation, nobody can create a legislation that will

[1:01:22] Voice 1: upon a group. The groups here being multi-generational families, people that require more space for

[1:01:28] Voice 1: caregivers, they may require that in their home, and larger families generally. And so

[1:01:32] Voice 1: I'm going to leave this point. I'm going to have to come back again. I've got one more

[1:01:35] Voice 1: point, but I just would like you guys to consider that because it's bigger than just the Island's

[1:01:40] Voice 1: Trust. There's charter issues here as well with respect

[1:01:43] Voice 1: to just charter chartering.

[1:01:44] Voice 9: Thank you for raising your points today.

[1:01:50] Voice 12: Bill Jensen is next. Thank you.

[1:01:55] I

[1:01:55] Voice 12: am. Yes, Bill, good to meet you.

[1:02:03] Voice 12: Your name

[1:02:04] Voice 9: is on my last one.

[1:02:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's OK. Perfect. Thank you.

[1:02:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Dave Green, Gord Duncan and Shelly Henshaw.

[1:02:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Dave Green. Dave Green got one point.

[1:02:21] Voice 12: Yeah, thank you.

[1:02:22] Voice 9: Just a clarification.

[1:02:24] Voice 9: There was a proposed

[1:02:27] Voice 9: amendment from

[1:02:28] Voice 9: the lawyers at the trust

[1:02:30] Voice 9: to 122

[1:02:33] Voice 6: about

[1:02:35] Voice 6: if a legal

[1:02:37] Voice 6: non-conforming building

[1:02:39] Voice 6: was to

[1:02:40] Voice 12: burn down before

[1:02:41] Voice 12: it was destroyed

[1:02:43] Voice 12: in

[1:02:43] Voice 9: some manner, you would have to have

[1:02:45] Voice 9: a

[1:02:49] Voice 9: qualified person

[1:02:51] Voice 9: attest to what you

[1:02:53] Voice 9: had prior to is that out

[1:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that amendment i don't believe those amendments were considered

[1:03:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): at the time

[1:03:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): or yet not

[1:03:06] Voice 9: yet it's in the staff report for discussion after the public hearing

[1:03:10] Voice 9: yeah

[1:03:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that's it maybe at this point let's just say at this moment that is still in

[1:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): in and so uh okay my question

[1:03:21] Voice 6: what's your who is this qualified person and how would you

[1:03:28] Voice 2: have

[1:03:29] Voice 1: him attest to what you had if your house burned to the ground you would have to have your

[1:03:35] Voice 6: qualified person do his report prior to an event that destroyed your home am

[1:03:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): i right or well fair

[1:03:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): enough but there would be insurance records fire records these kinds of things we build a story

[1:03:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): very good if that's your point

[1:03:51] Voice 6: we're going to speak to to obviously to to this a little later

[1:03:58] Voice 6: on in terms of once we hear everybody i've got some thoughts on this but i will tell you briefly

[1:04:02] Voice 6: that that the uh the the reference to uh somebody qualified to give a verification of the existing

[1:04:09] Voice 6: situation would be let's say your setback was uh you know less than 10 feet it would be like a

[1:04:15] Voice 6: survey or certificate demonstrating where your house is situated relative to your property

[1:04:19] Voice 6: okay thank

[1:04:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): you let's let's try and stick to what you think about the bylaws um it

[1:04:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): complicates it if we start answering questions in the process thank you um

[1:04:54] Voice 5: I'm just going to say right off the bat, I might surprise you, but I'm not in favor of By-law 122.

[1:05:01] Voice 5: I just did a little bit of a summary of the southern Gulf Islands, so that would be the six islands kind of in the southeast.

[1:05:09] Voice 5: I don't know what those would be.

[1:05:12] Voice 5: That represents roughly 17,000 people and roughly 11,000 dwellings.

[1:05:22] Voice 5: This is as per Canada census.

[1:05:25] Voice 5: And South Pender, with its population and dwellings, represents less than 2% of that group.

[1:05:34] Voice 5: And South Tender is the only island that is proposing to have maximum dwelling size, maximum floor area, and maximum setbacks being 20 feet.

[1:05:51] Voice 5: The only other island that has a 20-foot setback is Galliana.

[1:05:56] Voice 5: so it appears to me that the predictions of doom and gloom with uh people coming in and tearing

[1:06:05] Voice 5: down eighty percent developed homes though eighty percent of our lots are already developed um

[1:06:13] Voice 5: that we need to put these bylaws in place to prevent that doesn't seem to be registering

[1:06:19] Voice 5: with the rest of the islands the rest of the six islands because none of them have the

[1:06:25] Voice 5: the restrictive floor size that we have now.

[1:06:30] Voice 5: We're the only one with a table that says

[1:06:33] Voice 5: how big everything's going to be.

[1:06:34] Voice 5: The only island that has that.

[1:06:36] Voice 5: And with the passage of the 20 foot setback,

[1:06:41] Voice 5: we would be the only island

[1:06:42] Voice 5: that has those three major restrictions.

[1:06:45] Voice 5: And so it just seems to me that we're overreacting here

[1:06:50] Voice 5: and that we're not really

[1:06:55] Voice 5: uh these measures aren't required and that's why i'm speaking against it thank you just

[1:07:01] Voice 6: thank you

[1:07:01] Voice 5: chair just a

[1:07:02] Voice 6: question of clarification just on gordy's comment about right there are no

[1:07:05] Voice 6: other islands can can we get my understanding is north pender is looking at something similar

[1:07:10] Voice 6: in

[1:07:10] Voice 10: the process of looking at it yeah the bylaw has not been adopted yet but it's been so

[1:07:14] Voice 6: as of now

[1:07:15] Voice 6: there is no bylaw right now for south pender either they're both being considered

[1:07:21] Voice 6: or however well there is tables

[1:07:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): there is let's not debate

[1:07:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): the merits of what's in the sooner

[1:07:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): when

[1:07:29] Voice 1: someone comes over and makes a comment and the uh the trustees respond accordingly

[1:07:39] Voice 1: are we allowed to respond from the floor basically the question because he just made a point and this

[1:07:47] Voice 1: was answered in the previous meeting that we had where the trustees said it doesn't matter somebody

[1:07:54] Voice 1: has to be first is what the trustees said we don't represent just south pender we represent

[1:08:03] Voice 1: but that's the question he just asked it you guys could have responded the same that is what you

[1:08:10] Voice 1: said obviously he wasn't here but that was the response that you gave we're doing this because

[1:08:16] Voice 1: somebody has to be first doesn't matter what we think and that is what you said

[1:08:24] Voice 1: so

[1:08:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): let me just be clear about the process um whoever has the podium can speak their mind

[1:08:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): about what they think about the bylaw and id about speak about the bylaw not about other

[1:08:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): contextual items a trustee can ask a question which of the speaker more so than maybe wanting

[1:08:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): to get an answer from staff about that question because it's about the question from the individual

[1:08:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and what their point of view is so um you know i probably provide way more latitude than i should

[1:08:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): but i also think that we don't want this to be a contest of any kind so let's just keep that in

[1:09:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): mind i thank you for your point of order um um and let's try and manage it accordingly but um

[1:09:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think, you know, I like to think that we have more conversation than the legislative requirements, but this is absolutely a legislative requirement.

[1:09:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's try and keep it tight. And I thank you for your comments.

[1:09:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, and thank you, Gordon, for your remarks and the work that you've been doing with respect to helping all of us understand this.

[1:09:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Shelley, Henshaw, Frank, Ducat, I think, and Susan Taylor, and then Don Spalding.

[1:09:47] Voice 3: um first of all i want to say that i certainly um appreciate that you have the best of intentions

[1:09:56] Voice 3: trustees like the best of intentions i know that i think you're going to miss that um and i wanted

[1:10:03] Voice 3: to say wing pal um who is a long-time resident here on canal road by the way i'm from south

[1:10:10] Voice 3: pender i live at crowded drive and i have a farm in the valley and when powell lives on um on uh

[1:10:20] Voice 3: canal road and he and i don't want to cut into my four minutes but when powell's a long time

[1:10:25] Voice 3: resident here and he has seen many trustees come and go and he has written a letter and he is not

[1:10:33] Voice 3: he does not support bylaw 122 or 123 and he set out his reasons for the same and i just wanted you

[1:10:41] Voice 3: to appreciate that i'm not going to read it out anyway i i wanted to say a couple of things

[1:10:47] Voice 3: first of all about i think there has been insufficient community

[1:10:53] Voice 3: dialogue i don't think the agricultural land commission takes care of the island

[1:11:00] Voice 3: and it has been publicized that you want to align the farmland with the ALC and that's not what

[1:11:12] Voice 3: you're doing we're going way beyond that and I also wanted to address the fact that we don't

[1:11:16] Voice 3: have studies in science and I totally understand about the environment and the planet I'm reading

[1:11:25] Voice 3: Jane Burrell's book right now, Hope, which is a good read, but in that book, it's not like the

[1:11:32] Voice 3: buildings per se. It's about our lifestyles and what we do. And I think to pin our lifestyle on

[1:11:37] Voice 3: the size of our house, to put thin lifestyle on the size of our house, that's misdirected.

[1:11:51] Voice 3: that that that's not a fair way to go so when you when you come to my first point which is about

[1:11:58] Voice 3: the process here and how we've been involved i don't think i think i believe is that you have

[1:12:04] Voice 3: an artificial headline everything has to be accomplished on your turn and during a pandemic

[1:12:09] Voice 3: and this is unprecedented times where we haven't been able to gather as a community and neighbors

[1:12:15] Voice 3: etc so there was a june 2nd that was the first time the community got together down at uh

[1:12:21] Voice 3: and then there's been the on the online stuff not like the online stuff myself and i didn't

[1:12:27] Voice 3: participate that and we've got today we have no

[1:12:30] Voice 3: apc i was on the apc we were all terminated that's

[1:12:34] Voice 3: the advisory planning the purpose of the apc is to assist the trustee from getting community

[1:12:40] Voice 3: information. I don't like to say I was fired, because I've never been fired before, but

[1:12:47] Voice 3: maybe I was fired, because our applications were not renewed. None of us were. All five

[1:12:54] Voice 3: of us were terminated. And it didn't have

[1:12:56] Voice 4: to be me

[1:12:57] Voice 3: to be on the APC, but you should

[1:13:03] Voice 3: have had the APC during this really delicate, I think, time, and you could have done something

[1:13:09] Voice 3: to say well the apc will point it now to the end of our channel together we lost laura patrick who

[1:13:15] Voice 3: had been the chair prior to you peter and she had been here for a number of years and i exchanged

[1:13:21] Voice 3: some emails with her and i think she got to know us and was sensitive to seeing the south panda

[1:13:26] Voice 3: and i'm sorry she's gone i i that's no nothing against you but i'm sorry she's gone because

[1:13:32] Voice 3: I think she was a voice of reason, and she had to do it self-pending.

[1:13:37] Voice 3: There were no mail-outs to the owners, to reach owners who aren't actually here.

[1:13:42] Voice 3: What was posted was the driftwood and online, and there was a few newsletters from our trustees.

[1:13:50] Voice 3: But there was no, in the past, in 2016, letters were actually sent out to all the property owners.

[1:13:56] Voice 3: So at that time, I wasn't retired, and I was living in Langley.

[1:14:01] Voice 3: And so I got a letter saying, hey, this is what's happening, and these are the issues.

[1:14:06] Voice 3: That didn't happen this time.

[1:14:07] Voice 3: Totally appreciate what you did, Christina.

[1:14:10] Voice 3: That was a tremendous, tremendous amount of work.

[1:14:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Your

[1:14:13] Voice 3: time has elapsed.

[1:14:15] Voice 3: It has?

[1:14:16] Voice 3: Can I ask to say one thing?

[1:14:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): You can say one thing.

[1:14:20] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:14:20] Voice 3: About research and studies.

[1:14:22] Voice 3: Steve gave me an email with the research that you were relying on.

[1:14:27] Voice 3: I read every single one of those.

[1:14:29] Voice 3: and then I asked for it to be posted and I don't think it ever was and but I thought it should be

[1:14:35] Voice 3: because that's what you're relying on there was nothing there Steve that you could pin your hat

[1:14:40] Voice 3: on and say big houses are bad for the environment there's nothing there so

[1:14:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's not attack the

[1:14:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee.

[1:14:50] Voice 3: Do you know how many hours of reading that was?

[1:14:53] Voice 3: I

[1:14:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): know I read it all too.

[1:14:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you. Frank, is it Cody? Cody? Yeah.

[1:15:06] Thank

[1:15:07] Voice 5: you very much to the trustees and all the residents.

[1:15:11] Voice 5: I just want to say first off, thank you very much for all the

[1:15:13] Voice 5: heavy lifting as far as i can see by law 122 is a natural continuation of what happened in the

[1:15:19] Voice 5: previous administration or it wasn't completely resolved where how sizes should go but i did

[1:15:25] Voice 5: want to say that places like people places like people have personalities and they're known for

[1:15:35] something and i'm a little nervous about the trend actually i'm nervous right now i'm surprising

[1:15:42] Voice 5: myself. I'm nervous about the trend to bigger houses. I'm nervous about the trend towards

[1:15:49] blasting. I'm nervous about the trend to building way out over the waterfront. I'm nervous about

[1:15:56] the trend towards less neighborliness with new houses. I'm nervous about the trend to say

[1:16:01] Voice 5: the message for us and our personality as we present ourselves to the world is that we don't

[1:16:07] Voice 5: give a hoot for whatever else exists, including the natural environment. I'm going to clear cut,

[1:16:13] Voice 5: I'm going to blast, I'm going to project, I'm going to have the minimum setback,

[1:16:16] Voice 5: and I'm going to do damn well what I want. And that's the feeling I have about our personality

[1:16:21] Voice 5: as it's evolving, and

[1:16:23] Voice 9: that's why I support the

[1:16:24] Voice 5: bio-offsets that presently live. I think living

[1:16:27] within our means is an environmentally sensitive and socially responsible thing to do,

[1:16:32] Voice 1: and I think

[1:16:33] Voice 1: can go be absolutely in the right direction to send the message and if we're first grade

[1:16:38] from second grade for the last grade but it's

[1:16:42] Voice 9: doing the right thing thank you very much

[1:16:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): um susan uh taylor and then darren first i'd

[1:17:08] Voice 3: like to thank steve wright calvin thorn in

[1:17:13] Voice 9: my book your

[1:17:14] Voice 9: local heroes. It's a huge amount of work and stress too.

[1:17:21] Voice 9: I'm going to take a break. Can you repeat that please?

[1:17:24] Voice 4: And did you

[1:17:25] Voice 4: address where you live?

[1:17:27] Voice 9: I'm Susan Taylor. I live at 9909 Jennings Road on South Ender Island.

[1:17:36] Voice 9: I'd like to live in a community that doesn't just talk about climate change,

[1:17:43] Voice 9: that doesn't just talk about the shortage of affordable housing, that doesn't just talk

[1:17:50] Voice 9: about the destruction of our natural environment during new builds, that doesn't just talk about

[1:17:59] Voice 9: disturbance to neighbors and their enjoyment of our environment during new builds. I'd like to

[1:18:08] Voice 9: live in a community that is less about me me me and is instead a community that embraces actions

[1:18:21] Voice 9: that head modestly i consider these proposed bylaws to be modest that embraces actions that

[1:18:30] Voice 9: head modestly in the direction of adjusting these global and local concerns i'd be very proud

[1:18:41] Voice 9: to live in a community in a place that leads in efforts to address these issues thank you

[1:18:50] Voice 9: thank

[1:18:51] Voice 4: you very much

[1:18:52] Voice 4: good afternoon everyone um

[1:19:05] Voice 9: these times have been unprecedented there's no doubt about it

[1:19:09] Voice 9: we've gone through a pandemic we've gone through many meetings we've gone through lots of discussion

[1:19:13] Voice 9: we can say i think uncategorically that our discussion is not finished yet

[1:19:23] Voice 9: this is very important weekend for the spalding family the irving family the henshaw family

[1:19:29] Voice 9: who have all been on this island for a hundred years or more it's a family reunion and that's

[1:19:38] Voice 9: why a lot of people aren't here we thought about loading up the bus and bringing everybody but we

[1:19:43] Voice 9: We did. So, I'm going to address a couple of things. I have a letter from Richard Christie, who lives on South Pender Island at 9907 Wash Road, which I will submit.

[1:19:59] Voice 9: He makes several points. His front yard is washing away. His side lot lines are going to be impacted.

[1:20:11] Voice 9: The cost of housing to build small houses is not less than the cost of housing to build big houses.

[1:20:20] Voice 9: If we have areas, if we have less than an acre, and we need to address that, then I think that's a great idea.

[1:20:29] Voice 9: do differently. If somebody has five acres in a rural residential zone, with the proposal that

[1:20:37] Voice 9: you're putting forward, they will look at their capital investment, they will say, thank you very

[1:20:42] Voice 9: much, they will subdivide it in two, and you will have two 3500 square foot homes. If they have 10

[1:20:49] Voice 9: acres, they will subdivide it further. If

[1:20:52] Voice 9: they have 100 acres, which our family does, you can do

[1:20:57] Voice 9: the math so if you don't want urbanization start thinking about the consequences which others in

[1:21:05] Voice 9: this audience have raised we have over 30 percent of our island is a park reserve over 30 percent

[1:21:14] Voice 9: of our island is held in pieces of land that are 25 to almost 200 acres and you're limiting

[1:21:22] Voice 9: those people to a house size the same as something that you would have on five acres

[1:21:29] Voice 9: It's not necessarily incorrect, but we're not thinking about families in the valley who have three generations living there now, want to build so that they can accommodate all of those generations at home that they can live in together.

[1:21:49] Voice 9: together. Not thinking about families who are looking at their homes and building them so that

[1:21:54] Voice 9: they can stay in their homes when they age and they can have the appropriate accommodation for

[1:22:01] Voice 9: people who are living with them to take care of them. Three houses of four on the property that

[1:22:10] Voice 9: we live in will be non-conforming with the passing of your bylaws as they stand. My neighbors are in

[1:22:17] Voice 9: that many of my neighbors are in that same situation i'm going to read this one little

[1:22:22] Voice 9: part that my husband my husband said the proposed setback changes will impact me directly john's

[1:22:28] Voice 9: bowling my men's air to lease i wrote on waterfront property that my family has owned and lived on

[1:22:34] Voice 9: since 1915 three or four residents will be made lawful non-conforming by way of increased setbacks

[1:22:40] Voice 9: from the high water mark i will know that none of these homes would be adversely affected by

[1:22:46] Voice 9: the anticipated ocean elevation due to climate change because while we're close for the 50 feet

[1:22:53] Voice 9: we're also way higher than where the water's going to go i cannot think of any reason to

[1:23:00] Voice 9: change the setback from the ocean this initiative seems to be precious and unwarranted change would

[1:23:05] Voice 9: will create risk for most waterfront property

[1:23:08] Voice 9: owners if in fact these are there are other

[1:23:10] Voice 9: reasons for imposing the setbacks the trust should identify the specific properties that

[1:23:15] Voice 9: are undeveloped or would otherwise not be affected by the new setbacks and create a zone that will

[1:23:21] Voice 9: include increased setbacks. Bylaws should not be changed in a way that affects so many homes and

[1:23:27] Voice 9: residents so adversely. So the comments that many have made about the environment, I don't disagree.

[1:23:35] Voice 9: However, some of, we can live in the 3,500 square foot house, we can live in the 750 square foot

[1:23:46] Voice 9: house which i do or we could live in six thousand square foot house the changes to house size need

[1:23:54] Voice 9: to recognize what the building code says right now we're building a cottage we the how we have

[1:24:03] Voice 9: to make that insulate that build it is what is going to save the environment and it's contained

[1:24:13] Voice 9: in the building and you really need to people think to think about it what you're required to

[1:24:19] Voice 9: do in order to be environmentally um sensible so i'm going to submit these two letters to you

[1:24:27] Voice 9: one from john spaulding 992 east side road and one from um richard christie at 9907 wash road

[1:24:35] Voice 9: neither support any part of the bylaws that you're proposing okay you have gone over time

[1:24:43] Voice 9: Council.

[1:24:44] Voice 9: That's right.

[1:24:45] Voice 9: APC.

[1:24:46] Voice 9: You can come back.

[1:24:47] Voice 9: As the chair of the last APC, at the request of the trustees, we were asked if we would

[1:24:54] Voice 9: stay.

[1:24:55] Voice 9: We all said yes.

[1:24:57] Voice 9: We all submitted letters to say we would stay.

[1:24:59] Voice 9: We were told that administratively we had to reapply.

[1:25:04] Voice 9: We all reapplied.

[1:25:07] Voice 9: We were not reappointed.

[1:25:09] Voice 9: this is another missed opportunity by the trust by our local trustees to involve the community

[1:25:17] Voice 9: in what's going on none none of the bylaw amendments that are being put forward today

[1:25:24] Voice 9: were provided to that apc as a referral thank you okay

[1:25:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you very much so i'm just going

[1:25:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to take a moment to grab any remaining speakers.

[1:25:43] Voice 12: So I have

[1:25:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): reached the end of my

[1:25:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): speakers list. And so what I want

[1:25:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): to do now is ask if there's any further speakers that have not

[1:25:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): spoken yet. And then certainly we can create opportunity for those who wish to speak a second

[1:26:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): in time but of course we don't necessarily have to hear um some of the points that have already

[1:26:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): been brought forward to forward to us of which i want to thank you all for um the kindness that

[1:26:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're showing and sir in the back there you wish to speak the first time please so

[1:26:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): please come up

[1:26:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): and state your name and where you live my

[1:26:22] Voice 2: name is dennis perch canal road south bender island

[1:26:24] Voice 2: i apologize by stating that somebody's already said because i don't work and so i couldn't get

[1:26:31] Voice 2: here um what i'm going to say though is that i hope somebody hasn't said this already but

[1:26:37] Voice 2: the problem with bylaws 122 and 123 is they generate a lot of opposition by people in the

[1:26:43] Voice 2: community and uh i think you know the bylaw 122 the problem with it is the lack of due diligence

[1:26:52] Voice 2: that went into the planning of it and preparation of it um we've seen no scientific technical or

[1:26:59] Voice 2: professional evidence provided to justify the changes. I can appreciate people want to protect

[1:27:05] Voice 2: the environment. We all want to do that. But if there's a way to do that, let's have some

[1:27:09] Voice 2: expertise to determine what that's going to be. We saw numbers bounce around with host sizes. I

[1:27:15] Voice 2: want this one. I want this one. I want this one. I want this one. We jokingly said it sounded like

[1:27:20] Voice 2: Todd was choosing the best toy. It didn't make a lot of sense. We actually expect something more

[1:27:24] Voice 2: diligent when somebody makes laws that involve us. We've received mail and social media posts

[1:27:32] Voice 2: presenting a trustee's personal views, but again, none of these contain any technical,

[1:27:37] Voice 2: professional, or scientific resource information. No linkages, no data to establish its validity.

[1:27:43] Voice 2: In fact, we know now some of the assumptions that were made underlying these laws, especially 122,

[1:27:48] Voice 2: are wrong. We know that already. One of the excuses given at the first public information

[1:27:54] Voice 2: Commission meeting was that large houses create big carbon

[1:27:58] Voice 2: footprint. So it's one question to that. Not even supposed to

[1:28:03] Voice 2: be true. There's so many factors in construction that result in

[1:28:08] Voice 2: carbon footprint. You can have a very large house that has less

[1:28:12] Voice 2: carbon footprint than a small house. There's a standard called

[1:28:15] Voice 2: LEED, professional certification of leadership and energy and

[1:28:19] Voice 2: environmental design. There's a number of criteria under LEED

[1:28:23] Voice 2: that show why a big house is not necessarily a source of carbon this information was actually

[1:28:31] Voice 2: provided for the trust um i don't know who came here today but he definitely wrote the letter

[1:28:36] Voice 2: and i know i've seen his correspondence with trustee wright um a certified lead professional

[1:28:42] Voice 2: who assessed and documented the fallacies in the trust position on one claim he quoted

[1:28:48] Voice 2: factual examples advised the considerations that they have probably misunderstood he further

[1:28:53] Voice 2: explain how some of the process proposed changes may actually harm the environment rather than

[1:28:59] Voice 2: protect it. This is all in the documents that he sent to the trust. Apparently, though, this

[1:29:04] Voice 2: is the only scientific technical information that's been presented for this bylaw that's been

[1:29:11] Voice 2: ignored. So it's very difficult for responsible members of our community to support a bylaw that

[1:29:17] Voice 2: that imposes new restrictions on both existing homes and under our properties but lacks any credible professional or scientific foundation.

[1:29:26] Voice 2: The bylaw appears to be based only on subjective, unqualified, personal ideas that are in conflict with professionally credited energy and environmental design principles.

[1:29:36] Voice 2: So that raises the question, what is the intent or purpose of this proposed changes to setbacks and home sizes if they do not serve environmental principles?

[1:29:45] Voice 2: principles. So until this is entered, I cannot support Title 122. Thank you. Thank you, Dennis.

[1:29:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'll consider this that I'm asking a second time here now just to kind of move us along and

[1:29:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): ask three times if there's any other speakers.

[1:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): that haven't spoken already so in the back of the room i see if you can come up sir and then

[1:30:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): i see another hand back there and a woman's back there as well so if you can order yourselves

[1:30:10] Voice 12: accordingly that would be good you

[1:30:19] Voice 4: go ahead you're standing there um

[1:30:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and you have your four minutes

[1:30:24] Voice 8: julian nichols 5723 canal road and um i just want to thank the trustees um also

[1:30:36] Voice 9: everything

[1:30:37] Voice 9: thing I know has said that a bigger house costs more. And also a bigger house is a bigger

[1:30:46] Voice 9: footprint. And I just find that idea pretty hard to believe. But of course, I would be

[1:31:00] Voice 9: considered looking at that data. Somebody said that I'm on the north end but I'm close to south

[1:31:13] Voice 9: end. What this is all about for me is the environment. I do know that a bigger house

[1:31:25] Voice 9: is

[1:31:25] Voice 8: going to cut down more trees and I do know that we need a lot more trees for the air we breathe.

[1:31:35] Voice 8: I

[1:31:35] Voice 9: also am a member of Pender Pod and we're very worried about the whales

[1:31:42] Voice 9: and the

[1:31:43] Voice 8: foreshore is a very important part of looking after the Salish Sea.

[1:31:50] Voice 8: uh so i do support this and i really appreciate all the work that's being done thank you thank

[1:31:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much okay the next speaker please your name and where you're located

[1:32:05] Voice 9: robert bill uh jennings road south tender uh

[1:32:11] Voice 6: i've uh lived here 49 years and uh

[1:32:14] Voice 6: And during that period of time, I've watched houses being built, and they are getting bigger and bigger.

[1:32:23] Voice 6: I think it doesn't reflect back on traditionally how people lived on the island, and I worry about what will happen in the future.

[1:32:35] Voice 6: As an architect living in Vancouver area back in the 60s, 70s and 80s, I watched big houses as they moved into the lower mainland, took over farmland, made it too expensive for people to keep on farming.

[1:32:53] Voice 6: And so it gradually started to change the whole nature of the community.

[1:32:58] Voice 6: I think the more we can do to cut back our incursion on the foreshore, the more we can protect ourselves from neighbors in terms of setbacks, and the more we can reduce house sizes in terms of the environmental implications,

[1:33:21] Voice 6: And that's in both in terms of the footprint, but also the cost of materials and what happens

[1:33:29] Voice 6: around that.

[1:33:29] Voice 6: I think we need to start to think a bit more about how we live our lives.

[1:33:36] Voice 6: And so I am supportive of the proposals as they're put forward.

[1:33:41] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:33:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, sir.

[1:33:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): I did see two more hands up back there, if you'd like to order yourselves.

[1:33:51] Voice 3: for those people that already spoke are we able to come up now or are we waiting when i finished

[1:33:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): with people that have not spoken the first time yeah go ahead take uh mac foster

[1:34:03] Voice 7: incident point

[1:34:03] Voice 7: road south panama island matt foster thank you um i i would just like i'd like to make two points

[1:34:11] Voice 7: i'm from the maritimes and i've lived here for over 30 years and i've lived in every province

[1:34:18] Voice 7: in Canada. And my observation of having two eyes is that in general, rural houses are larger

[1:34:28] Voice 7: than urban houses. That's the reality of our country. So I just wanted to make that point.

[1:34:37] Voice 7: The other is talking to people that are involved with our healthcare system. They say that all

[1:34:46] Voice 7: levels of government are telling people of my generation there are no care homes for you figure

[1:34:54] Voice 7: it out how you're going to age in place and i hear that as a common theme and frankly what you're

[1:35:05] Voice 7: proposing prevents that it doesn't just make it difficult can't happen so that's my opinion thank

[1:35:14] Voice 7: Thank you very much, Mac.

[1:35:17] Voice 5: Jane Perch, I believe.

[1:35:20] Voice 9: Jane Perch, Southender Island, now Roe.

[1:35:23] Voice 9: First of all, I'd just like to submit a letter that

[1:35:25] Voice 9: was asked by Julia Rankin for me to submit.

[1:35:29] Voice 9: She's about to pass by opposing both bylaws.

[1:35:33] Voice 9: I'd just like to put that.

[1:35:35] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:35:37] Voice 9: I won't say too much.

[1:35:39] Voice 9: I actually wrote a three-page letter,

[1:35:40] Voice 9: so I think that's a fair bit already.

[1:35:42] Voice 9: But there was so much to cover that there

[1:35:45] Voice 9: are things that i think will have to be said i've heard a number of people say that the whole process

[1:35:50] Voice 9: has been kind of difficult this whole term

[1:35:52] Voice 8: won the pandemic which we haven't been able to have

[1:35:55] Voice 8: our meetings

[1:35:55] Voice 9: and uh for the public community to turn out and you see when we do have the ability

[1:36:00] Voice 9: to turn out people turn up so i think that's been a very very big problem i've tried to join into

[1:36:07] Voice 9: the zoom meetings i've been on several of them and it's difficult and there's been very little

[1:36:11] Voice 9: of participation so i i really discount that to some injury consultation with the community

[1:36:19] Voice 9: because it's been so limited and i think you've experienced on self-pender that many people have

[1:36:24] Voice 9: trouble connecting to the internet when they are being so um so what i really would like to do is

[1:36:30] Voice 9: ask you to just slow this process down and step back let us have some more discussion there's

[1:36:35] Voice 9: been a lot of points raised um things like i've raised about the florian calculation

[1:36:41] Voice 9: and the definition problems i've talked to you about floor area you've mentioned that

[1:36:46] Voice 9: cardboard is not an issue and both of you said that you would look at you would look at garages

[1:36:52] Voice 9: that are attached to wellings but nothing's been done about that there's been no suggestions

[1:36:57] Voice 8: and each time we have a meeting more things come out and we have no opportunity to discuss so

[1:37:02] Voice 8: So I think we just need to step back, start this process again,

[1:37:07] Voice 8: and we should really not be in public here at this stage

[1:37:10] Voice 8: because we have not had sufficient time to discuss any of these issues

[1:37:14] Voice 8: that have been put forward to us.

[1:37:16] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:37:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[1:37:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anybody else that hasn't spoken a first time?

[1:37:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sir?

[1:37:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I will get to those who want to speak a second time.

[1:37:28] Thank you.

[1:37:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): I am a

[1:37:30] Voice 7: great believer in the precaution.

[1:37:34] Voice 7: Would you mind telling us who you are and where you're from?

[1:37:36] Voice 7: Reverend Nichols, I'm on Canal Road.

[1:37:38] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:37:39] Voice 7: Slightly north of the bridge, I have to say.

[1:37:41] Voice 7: Perfect, thank you.

[1:37:44] Voice 1: People have talked about why can't we have scientific evidence to support what these people are doing.

[1:37:51] Voice 1: Well, to

[1:37:52] Voice 9: get scientific evidence is often very difficult and very expensive.

[1:37:56] Voice 9: And you do need to direct your comments at us.

[1:37:58] Voice 9: I just

[1:37:59] Voice 9: want to make sure, because I have a phone call from people who also can hear me.

[1:38:03] Voice 9: Sure. Yeah, the precautionary

[1:38:08] Voice 7: principle which

[1:38:09] Voice 1: says you may not have all the information,

[1:38:12] Voice 1: maybe you can't get all the information, but don't look at the best case scenario.

[1:38:17] Voice 1: Oh, if I build a big house, I'm going to have the solar panels everywhere. I'm going to do this,

[1:38:23] Voice 1: I'm going to do that. Yes, maybe you are. The next person who comes along probably isn't.

[1:38:29] Voice 1: They're going to build a house with a massive concrete swimming pool

[1:38:33] Voice 1: and so on, and concrete this and concrete that.

[1:38:35] Voice 1: So what you're going to do is not necessarily important here.

[1:38:40] Voice 1: You have to look at the precautionary principle.

[1:38:43] Voice 1: What are most people possibly going to do,

[1:38:45] Voice 1: and how is that going to affect our community?

[1:38:49] Voice 1: And the other thing to think about is that, yeah,

[1:38:54] Voice 1: we have our property, we want to be able to do certain things,

[1:38:58] Voice 1: But our property isn't, when it comes down to it, only our property.

[1:39:03] Voice 1: What we do on it, how we use it, affects our neighbours, it affects the islands, ultimately it affects the whole planet.

[1:39:10] Voice 1: And that we have to take into account, unless we go and say, yeah, I'm selfish, I do what I want.

[1:39:16] Voice 1: I don't think there are many people here who are like that.

[1:39:20] Voice 1: So we really have to take those things into account when we're making our plans for our property.

[1:39:29] Voice 7: The notion of building a 3,000 square foot house or more, plus

[1:39:35] Voice 1: a garage, plus a studio,

[1:39:37] Voice 1: plus this on an acre of land, I'm sorry.

[1:39:42] Voice 1: Perhaps that shouldn't be acceptable.

[1:39:45] Voice 2: Any more than a 5,000 square foot house should be acceptable.

[1:39:49] Voice 2: Very few people need a 5,000 square foot house.

[1:39:54] Voice 2: You just don't.

[1:39:55] Voice 2: and

[1:39:56] Voice 1: if you have to have a living situation

[1:40:04] Voice 1: which is not commensurate with what we

[1:40:08] Voice 9: have in our country,

[1:40:10] Voice 9: maybe look somewhere else,

[1:40:12] Voice 9: because this is Pandora Island,

[1:40:15] Voice 9: and we want it to stay Pandora Island for all of us

[1:40:18] Voice 9: and the environment.

[1:40:20] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:40:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anybody else that wishes to speak a first time?

[1:40:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. I'm going to then now go to those who wish to address the LTC a second time,

[1:40:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'm going to consider this my third call for speakers today. So I think it's Christina,

[1:40:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then you wish to speak again? Oh, I see. So a couple more hands up. So one, two, three,

[1:40:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): four. I see John Spaulding, Paul Petrie, and Michael, I think it was.

[1:40:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Please. And it'd be good if we could wrap this one up and get to the next one.

[1:40:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): i

[1:40:56] Voice 3: want to have a

[1:40:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): break in between so

[1:40:59] Voice 3: christina casual gamble point um so a couple things i

[1:41:03] Voice 3: wanted to raise um talking to people as we're going around the island one item that i'd like

[1:41:08] Voice 9: to suggest um to the trustees that was recommended or discussed by somebody else as another resident

[1:41:15] Voice 9: how about for the the people that are for these bylaws um if they were to

[1:41:21] Voice 3: go and put covenants

[1:41:23] Voice 3: on their property, that would affect 25% of self-tender homes if everybody did that.

[1:41:32] Voice 9: They could put covenants on their property.

[1:41:34] Voice 9: If they all banded together, it should cost less than $1,000 per property to put those

[1:41:40] Voice 9: in place to protect their homes for all future generations.

[1:41:44] Voice 9: With regards to the large houses having a greater environmental impact by taking down

[1:41:53] Voice 9: increase not necessarily especially if you're building two stories i just wanted to say that

[1:41:58] Voice 9: with regards to the 11 homes over 3500 square feet cover much it was based on the dc assessment we

[1:42:07] Voice 9: have to bear in mind that that does not include attached garages or crawl spaces over four foot

[1:42:12] Voice 9: nine inches um if you take into account the crawl spaces and the garages that that will actually

[1:42:19] Voice 9: mean a much greater number will be legally non-conforming. I just wanted to clarify that

[1:42:24] Voice 9: point and that was all that I needed to say. Thank you very much. Thank

[1:42:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): you. Paul Petrie and I'll just

[1:42:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): make the remark and not be critical Christine just from my listening it's easy to try and want to

[1:42:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): answer questions that are in the room that what but what you really want to do is tell us what

[1:42:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): you think and so I'll just paraphrase it would be a really good idea if you put

[1:42:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): but covenants to allow other places to be a staff,

[1:42:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): a bigger footprint.

[1:42:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): So just sort of characterize it in telling us what we think.

[1:42:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Paul Petrie, thank you.

[1:42:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[1:42:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So one

[1:43:00] Voice 1: thing I'd like to add to what I didn't have an opportunity to say

[1:43:03] Voice 1: before,

[1:43:04] Voice 1: and I really respect that there's some points being raised about unusual

[1:43:09] Voice 1: situations where the silos may not address them specifically.

[1:43:14] Voice 1: I think that we need to keep in mind that a development variance permit is an option available for those special circumstances.

[1:43:23] Voice 1: That's something that's been there.

[1:43:25] Voice 1: The key about a development variance permit is that if it is an exceptional circumstance, the question is, how is it going to affect the neighbors?

[1:43:36] Voice 1: And that provides an opportunity for the neighbors to have a voice in that matter.

[1:43:42] Voice 1: i've seen a few uh variance permits in our neighborhood go forward very straightforward

[1:43:47] Voice 1: process uh and so long as there's some compliance with the general approach i think that there's

[1:43:56] Voice 4: consideration

[1:43:57] Voice 1: for three generational families for care in place um for related family issues

[1:44:05] Voice 1: long term so i think those cases can be considered on the merit so thank you

[1:44:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you so in following up on what i said earlier about let's try not to answer questions

[1:44:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): that are in the room but provide the direction that um development variance permits for expansions

[1:44:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): of sizes should be um inclusive of neighbors interests just trying to focus to tell us what

[1:44:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): you think and trying to help you there hopefully um i think you would actually sir and oh no and

[1:44:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): don is falling behind you i think it

[1:44:37] Voice 8: was in front of me

[1:44:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): michael next

[1:44:41] Voice 3: and

[1:44:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): then shelly and um

[1:44:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm done also sorry thank you some people hand it over to somebody else

[1:44:55] Voice 9: perfect um i'm just going to try to finish up my points i appreciate

[1:44:57] Voice 1: passion it's awesome i'm

[1:44:59] Voice 1: actually glad i went to the island because the conversation even though some of it i don't get

[1:45:03] Voice 1: i don't agree with i appreciate it so with respect to variances on uh applying for appearances for

[1:45:09] Voice 1: the housing restrictions that also can be construed possibly as a charter violation

[1:45:15] Voice 1: because you're creating an encumbrance for a particular type of family whether it be a large

[1:45:20] Voice 6: family a multi-generational family which they're going to incur a fee they're going to incur

[1:45:27] also another administrative process that

[1:45:28] Voice 1: might be long people may have to buy a property and then

[1:45:31] Voice 1: wait to see if they're going to be able to do what they want with the property it's very there's a lot

[1:45:36] Voice 1: to this that i think really is worthy of some consideration um also people that are i'm not

[1:45:44] Voice 1: suggesting anyone here is doing this but i'm just i'm going to suggest that people who will be voting

[1:45:49] Voice 1: in this to decide whether this is actually going to become a bylaw i would encourage them to be

[1:45:55] Voice 1: um cautious and aware of the fact that when it comes to conflict of interest whether it's

[1:46:01] Voice 1: perceived or real and as that

[1:46:03] Voice 9: relates to procuring benefits

[1:46:04] Voice 9: i think you have to be aware of the fact

[1:46:07] Voice 9: that i've spoken to a friend of mine that's a real estate company i've talked to some other

[1:46:10] Voice 9: realtors as well and

[1:46:11] Voice 1: one of the issues

[1:46:11] Voice 9: that came up is when you have these legal non-conforming

[1:46:13] Voice 9: houses in an area where the market then becomes very like now

[1:46:17] Voice 1: you have houses you can't build

[1:46:18] Voice 1: a research for footage those homes actually become quite valuable because when people come

[1:46:22] Voice 1: to the island they're looking at realtors will tell you hey look this guy's got this legal

[1:46:25] Voice 1: not conforming it's big house that commands more money so i would suggest that if any of the people

[1:46:32] Voice 1: voting on this find themselves in that position whether it's through their own property or some

[1:46:36] Voice 1: interest they have on other properties that they be mindful that they don't participate in the vote

[1:46:42] Voice 1: because that can be perceived as a conflict potentially i'm just going to leave it with

[1:46:47] Voice 1: that leave you with that um also the last thing i'll say is i appreciate people's passions i

[1:46:53] Voice 1: I appreciate everybody has an opinion.

[1:46:55] I really don't put a lot of weight in things

[1:46:58] when people say, I believe, I think it should be this.

[1:47:03] I

[1:47:04] Voice 1: want facts and I think we deserve facts.

[1:47:06] Voice 1: And unfortunately the trust is in a position

[1:47:09] Voice 1: where they have to provide that evidence and those facts

[1:47:10] Voice 1: because the trust is actually asking the people

[1:47:13] Voice 1: to accept what the trust is proposing.

[1:47:16] Voice 1: So the onus lies on the trust to provide the information

[1:47:19] Voice 1: that's required to make that decision.

[1:47:21] Voice 1: decision. I don't think that's been done. In the trust-owned website, there's all kinds

[1:47:27] Voice 1: of procedural things that have got to be followed, that have to be followed. And I don't think

[1:47:34] Voice 1: it's been fully fleshed out. And I do think, and I agree with some of the other people

[1:47:37] Voice 1: here that have said, I'm not saying that I totally disagree, but I'm not saying I agree.

[1:47:42] Voice 1: I'm saying that there needs to be more information brought to the table so that we can make a

[1:47:46] Voice 1: decision because right now i've tried to seek out as much as i could and i just haven't gotten it

[1:47:52] Voice 9: so i'm a flexible person um i agree with the big macro perspective that we have an environmental

[1:47:58] Voice 9: issue that we need to

[1:47:58] Voice 1: address i don't think self-dependent kind of is the you know what

[1:48:02] Voice 1: you want to you know tie your horse to because this is a 35 of the

[1:48:06] Voice 9: land is already reserved

[1:48:08] Voice 9: parkland um so that that's my point and um you know hopefully we can you know

[1:48:15] Voice 9: get a sober second thought on this before we do something that's going to

[1:48:19] Voice 9: affect and impact a lot of people and specifically with respect to the charter

[1:48:23] Voice 9: thank you very much all

[1:48:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): right um i got shelly henshaw donna spalding

[1:48:39] Voice 3: I just wanted to finish when I was up here last time, and what I wanted to say was that

[1:48:45] Voice 3: when it came to the farm, I have 37 acres on South Pender Island farm or a water farm.

[1:48:55] Voice 3: I am in the agricultural land reserve, there are 10 properties in the ALR, which is governed

[1:49:00] Voice 3: by the agricultural land commission and i do not know why you think that you could do a better job

[1:49:10] Voice 3: of managing farmland than the alc and the agricultural land commission says well the

[1:49:17] Voice 3: maximum house size on my property would be 5 000 square foot i i don't know why you think you can

[1:49:25] Voice 3: do better there's also lots of provision and it's changing in agriculture land commission which is

[1:49:30] Voice 3: because of the drought and things like that that there's more outbuildings and there's more shade

[1:49:37] Voice 3: provided etc etc there's lots of things that are happening and in our

[1:49:41] Voice 3: province the agriculture land

[1:49:43] Voice 3: commission looks after farmland so why are you adding i think you're adding another layer of

[1:49:49] Voice 3: bureaucracy and difficulty to farmers on south kender island and there's only 10 farmlands

[1:49:55] Voice 3: and i do think the previous focus that what donna said was yeah okay if you want to have

[1:50:01] Voice 3: your families instead of selling like your children inheriting the farm in one big piece

[1:50:08] Voice 3: um well we just divide in half and you can each build a house instead of having a bigger house

[1:50:13] Voice 3: that a family can share and i think it's better to share that's my point and um i think it's

[1:50:20] Voice 3: really important when you look at the big picture is really not the big house i think rob jill said

[1:50:25] Voice 3: it it's like how we live our lives that's what's important and i think that's where we should have

[1:50:30] Voice 3: education and meetings and all

[1:50:34] Voice 9: sorts of information and assistance and that line

[1:50:38] Voice 9: thank you

[1:50:41] Voice 4: very much um

[1:50:44] Voice 12: thank you uh donna swally and then

[1:50:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh record uh

[1:50:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): oh and uh you haven't spoken yet okay i'll let you come after john as soon as i've already got

[1:50:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): on the up just because i want to respect for speaking thank

[1:51:02] Voice 9: you um to shelly's point and

[1:51:06] Voice 9: points that several people in this audience have made already today about how we live our lives

[1:51:10] Voice 9: and that is important and it is important because we are respectful we are responsible and we have

[1:51:19] Voice 9: an island that we have demonstrated that respect and responsibility to so far my husband is the

[1:51:27] Voice 9: the manager of two managed forests of nearly 300 acres.

[1:51:35] Voice 9: We have family who live beside us

[1:51:37] Voice 9: who have been here almost as long as the Spalding's,

[1:51:39] Voice 9: who have another hundred acres in managed forest.

[1:51:45] Voice 9: We've been managing them for a hundred years.

[1:51:48] Voice 9: We will cut down trees, we plant trees,

[1:51:52] Voice 9: we take care of trees, and we start over again.

[1:51:58] Voice 9: And that is responsibility.

[1:51:59] Voice 9: If we're talking about little tiny lots where somebody has to cut down a tree to put into their house or to protect their house from, as one person said, the fact that a fire could rip through here at 100 miles an hour, we should be concentrating on how we're going to have an emergency response plan to deal with that, which the people in other areas did not have.

[1:52:25] Voice 9: we need to consider that the right size of house for one family may not be the right size of house

[1:52:38] Voice 9: for another family. We do not need to think that 3,500 square feet on 100 acres is the right size

[1:52:47] Voice 9: of house when you compare it to two or five acres. We have something in our bylaw that is

[1:52:56] Voice 9: respective of house size as it is respective to the law if somebody wants to protect their

[1:53:03] Voice 9: property there's a really good point that christina made that if you don't want to

[1:53:08] Voice 9: that if you build a house if you have special circumstances then the trust can ask for a

[1:53:16] Voice 9: covenant to be put on that property that means nothing larger than that can ever be built again

[1:53:22] Voice 9: We have covenants on our property that say we can't build, we can't destroy flora and fauna within 50 feet of the high waterfront.

[1:53:33] Voice 9: Almost that little far side coast of South Pender is in that situation. We don't need another layer.

[1:53:41] Voice 9: What we would really like to see, Cameron, is for you to bring all those lovely little maps that you did at one point where you had all the lots on the island.

[1:53:50] Voice 9: on the island and you said these ones are developed and these ones aren't let's let's

[1:53:55] Voice 9: look at it in a holistic fashion instead of trying to pick it apart the way we are these bylaws are

[1:54:03] Voice 9: not acceptable by most people on this island you really think you have to pay attention to that and

[1:54:09] Voice 9: i agree to post that you do thank you thank you

[1:54:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): um gordon duncan oh sorry no i was going to go to

[1:54:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): the speaking person hasn't spoken once yet and really i would like to kind of wrap this up if

[1:54:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's all right so um please go ahead and then i'll come to you go ahead we've got one more

[1:54:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): pilot to do again here i don't want to give you all of it

[1:54:35] Voice 9: um i'd like to thank all of you again

[1:54:37] Voice 9: And I'm sorry, we've got to stress you

[1:54:45] Voice 4: out so much.

[1:54:45] Voice 4: And your name and where you're from.

[1:54:47] Voice 9: My name is Heather Hardy, and I'm on Capitol Point Road, so that's kind of driving me.

[1:54:53] Voice 9: As Christina mentioned, I did suggest to Steve the idea of possibly putting the Strait of Covenant.

[1:54:58] Voice 9: I kind of fleshed that out.

[1:54:59] Voice 9: In my mind, I was thinking more at the time about heritage homes and things like that.

[1:55:05] Voice 9: But Steve responded to me about that, and I thank him for this.

[1:55:10] Voice 9: he said that there's already a program available to I can't remember the acronym I can't remember

[1:55:17] Voice 9: sorry

[1:55:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): so I

[1:55:23] Voice 9: looked that up and under NAPTAP people who have over five acres apparently

[1:55:28] Voice 9: can if they preserve 65 percent of their land they get tax breaks so if they're not

[1:55:37] Voice 9: not developing 65% of their land. I think that's the way it works. Correct me if I'm wrong. But with the number, I'm opposed to these bylaws the way they stand. I think they need to be worked on more. But I think that that idea needs to be fleshed out some more. And I suppose that's the trust, the whole trust that does that.

[1:55:56] Voice 9: But if people could, who are more in favor of these bylaws, and maybe even make more people in favor of these bylaws, if they were able to protect, including possibly the previous services, a certain percentage of their land, that they also get tax breaks.

[1:56:19] Voice 9: So maybe you might even lower the numbers, but they have to not have such large lot coverages for houses and accessories.

[1:56:30] Voice 9: But maybe there could be something that even starts at one acre.

[1:56:34] Voice 9: If you need a certain percentage of your land, two acres, whatever, if you need a certain percentage of your land, there might be a tax break.

[1:56:42] Voice 9: And considering that that's already being done, I don't think that's so far as well fit.

[1:56:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[1:56:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much, Gordon Duncan, and we have considered Gordon as the last speaker not seeing any other hands up.

[1:57:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gordon, my last word. Okay, thank you. Just a quick solution that will solve everybody's problem here.

[1:57:08] Voice 9: Like the staff a long time ago we created two tables, one for the existing 80% of the homes, leave them the way they are.

[1:57:15] Voice 9: bring your new bylaws in for setbacks and uh maximum dwelling size for all the new buildings

[1:57:22] Voice 9: that were that are going to be built and restored

[1:57:25] Voice 4: thank

[1:57:26] Voice 9: you thank you go ahead

[1:57:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm just going to write that down okay um so i i think we've uh gone through this and um so

[1:57:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm going to consider that call three times for you to have the opportunity to speak to it.

[1:57:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I really want to thank you very much.

[1:57:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): There were a few little bumps along the way, but I think we did very well.

[1:57:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm very happy with that.

[1:57:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): And certainly we heard lots of great ideas on both sides of the spectrum.

[1:58:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so with that, I just want to advise you that at this juncture, we're going to close this public hearing on 1-22.

[1:58:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): too. And that means that no new information can be brought to the trustees. If you have new

[1:58:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): information, there's not a ban on it, but give it to the staff only. And then if the staff feel

[1:58:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): we

[1:58:27] Voice 9: do have two late submissions for 122 that came before one o'clock. Okay, well, we will

[1:58:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): have the opportunity to review those. And that's why we need to have a break is to review everything

[1:58:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): we've heard think about everything we've heard not discuss but review what we've heard including

[1:58:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): most um but anyway nonetheless bring new ideas gosh you guys missed this to the staff and staff

[1:58:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): will consider it and if they feel that we need to know that and disrupt the process

[1:58:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): then they will um you can

[1:58:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): be sure of that um so um if there's nothing further i'm going to

[1:59:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): close call a closure to the public hearing on bylaw number 122 and i thank you very much for your

[1:59:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh your work today with us and making this so successful so i'm going to ask now for a recess

[1:59:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): and i'm going to say 15 minutes and then we'll move into the bylaw 123. so everybody get out

[1:59:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): and enjoy some of that sunshine stretch your legs and you'll be pleased to know i'm honored

[1:59:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): air quality in this room air quality is very good i've been in lots of places where it's not

[1:59:39] Voice 12: so let's come back in a quarter after one and

[1:59:42] Voice 4: honestly i

[1:59:43] Voice 12: need to be out of here by 2 30

[1:59:45] Voice 4: okay

[1:59:46] Voice 7: folks let's take our seats and we can

[1:59:48] Voice 7: continue on

[2:00:00] Voice 4: all right

[2:00:02] Voice 12: um are we ready i'm ready yes i think we're ready

[2:00:10] Voice 12: well i want to do uh i want to

[2:00:12] Voice 12: maximize our time together say yes

[2:00:16] Voice 12: yes okay so

[2:00:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): i just want to kind of uh well thank you everybody for the conversation we've had

[2:00:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): really much appreciated but i just want to sort of uh to set some expectations about conversations

[2:00:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): i've had before i even came to the meeting today with staff about a process of supporting

[2:00:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): conversations to determine what an outcome looks like and so i'm just sort of looking at the time

[2:00:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): we've got remaining and i've spoken with the trustees is uh contemplating um let's and just

[2:00:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): because that's the way we've got it set up we're going to go to bio 123 now and i'd like to and i

[2:01:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): sort of sense this is maybe slightly less or or more or less controversial than the previous

[2:01:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): ones and i noticed that there's fewer people here now and

[2:01:10] Voice 6: then maybe a different conversation can i

[2:01:12] Voice 6: say engaging rather than controversial that's

[2:01:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): cool what it is lots

[2:01:17] Voice 6: of people like it some people

[2:01:19] Voice 6: don't yeah that's

[2:01:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): fine it's different different perspectives and i i enjoy the opportunity to

[2:01:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): to hear those perspectives but we're thinking um let's go through our speakers list as i've got

[2:01:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): here already and certainly if you're not on this list i will call three times and and we'll go

[2:01:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): through and ask our second speakers and all that sort of stuff i'm thinking let's try starting off

[2:01:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): with two minutes rather than four minutes on this one but absolutely if you need to speak more

[2:01:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll come back to you and we'll want to respect that and the idea is to try and reserve a bit of

[2:01:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): time today so i'm thinking a half an hour maybe for speakers and then maybe a half an hour for

[2:01:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): some preliminary discussions from the trustees about what they've heard in today and what we've

[2:02:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): accumulated over the last number of weeks to provide staff with some direction to come back

[2:02:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): with us for amendments well thought out amendments the opportunity for trustees to really reflect on

[2:02:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): what we've heard today and and assemble a picture for ourselves so that we can come back to an

[2:02:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): electronic meeting where we will consider what happens next and i'm not i'm purposefully not

[2:02:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): saying getting the second or third reading or anything because it's all up in the air whatever

[2:02:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): happens happens but that would be an electronic meeting um in you know we had some dates that

[2:02:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): we've been playing with but in the near term future and uh and then uh we'll see where it

[2:02:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): goes from there but just to set those expectations that we're not going to make some big decisions

[2:02:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): today but we will the trustees will have an opportunity to share with you what reflections

[2:02:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): they have with moving forward based upon what we've heard so we

[2:02:59] Voice 3: just want to provide them

[2:03:00] Voice 3: did you say that there would be potentially

[2:03:06] Voice 3: i think

[2:03:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think there definitely will be an electronic meeting

[2:03:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): After

[2:03:13] Voice 8: what point?

[2:03:14] Voice 8: Well,

[2:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): what I would say in a normal situation is post-public hearing, we would then take the opportunity to digest everything we've heard, provide some direction to staff, which I hope will happen here, and continue to digest that, and then move into the next

[2:03:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): step of the process of having a discussion about how we advance or amend the model.

[2:03:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): And

[2:03:37] Voice 3: if it's electronic, and you know the problem is many of us not being able to get in,

[2:03:43] Voice 3: is there a reason why the electronics are too slow?

[2:03:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): The time of year and the difficulty with scheduling a space within a reasonable time frame, especially since

[2:03:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're post-public here.

[2:03:55] Voice 3: But the difficulty in having your group, you know, is what about the people who are going to live with five?

[2:04:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I understand

[2:04:05] Voice 9: that.

[2:04:06] Voice 9: because you know it has been a difficulty this whole term and you know people come out yeah

[2:04:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): except as a you know and i'm conscious that i'm also burning up time but

[2:04:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and i don't intend this to be disrespectful however post-public hearing the decision now

[2:04:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): rests with this committee and so it's a discussion here that you can observe rather than participate

[2:04:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And, yeah, it's not ideal like I get it it's not ideal, but the opportunity we will be streaming and recording, and the opportunity for you to observe that those discussions amongst your trustees will exist.

[2:04:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): So,

[2:04:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): um yeah

[2:04:54] Voice 3: just in line with what um jane is saying is i don't think ever there has been such a

[2:05:00] Voice 3: controversial bylaw i think you're

[2:05:02] Voice 7: right i know you're right

[2:05:04] Voice 3: i know and to kind of treat it like

[2:05:06] Voice 3: well now we have a schedule everybody tickles running along i i think that's the whole one of

[2:05:13] Voice 3: the whole problems that we've all expressed here and that's why i think it's really important that

[2:05:18] Voice 3: that we are here and we observe and we hear and we understand

[2:05:23] Voice 3: because it's just another kind of black for me,

[2:05:26] Voice 3: another is that,

[2:05:30] Voice 3: well, gosh, we really wanted to have live meetings.

[2:05:34] Voice 3: They're better.

[2:05:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, well, you're right.

[2:05:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it's up to the trustees to decide one way or the other,

[2:05:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): whether they even want to proceed in front.

[2:05:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know what the decision will be,

[2:05:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm just trying to set the expectations for today whether or not we decide we need to

[2:05:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): have an in-person meeting is not a question i'm just saying it could be electronic and

[2:05:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be desirable i think there's so much that i

[2:05:59] Voice 5: want to get on with that

[2:06:00] Voice 5: i

[2:06:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): just

[2:06:02] Voice 5: have a quick question so am i from what you're saying there to understand that there's

[2:06:07] Voice 5: no chance in the next meeting coming up with the director of business meeting after this meeting

[2:06:13] Voice 5: uh it could advance to second

[2:06:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): and third with some amendments today

[2:06:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that won't happen today

[2:06:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): i i don't think that we would do justice or respect what we've heard by trying to get to

[2:06:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): second or third reading today that would be my because i want to totally respect what has

[2:06:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): happened here today and i don't think we should rush into it because that would be ultimately

[2:06:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): rushing

[2:06:35] Voice 3: what do

[2:06:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): you mean you can't know that now we

[2:06:45] Voice 3: need to get to the next one and i think we all

[2:06:48] Voice 3: respect that and

[2:06:49] Voice 9: everything that you've said to us peter but we do and i appreciate what charlie's

[2:06:53] Voice 9: saying but we do need to get to our conversation on one two three because there are that's what

[2:07:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm trying to do okay

[2:07:01] Voice 9: i'm not saying your thought i'm just saying oh i

[2:07:04] Voice 9: said okay good

[2:07:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): so let's get

[2:07:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): on the one two three all right okay let's

[2:07:09] Voice 9: get out of the public hearing go straight to the public

[2:07:12] Voice 9: hearing as well just real

[2:07:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): brief summary uh uh kim stockdale where are we at on uh one two three okay

[2:07:21] Voice 10: again this project was initiated by the

[2:07:23] Voice 9: ltc in early 2021 at that time the ltc identified three

[2:07:28] Voice 9: three topics to be included in this project.

[2:07:31] Voice 10: Those were a First Nations introductory statement to the OCP,

[2:07:35] Voice 10: building design and citing guidelines,

[2:07:37] Voice 9: and also the rights of nature.

[2:07:40] Voice 9: The rights of nature have been excluded from by-law 123

[2:07:44] Voice 9: and put into another by-law 126, which is currently on hold.

[2:07:47] Voice 9: So by-law 123 only includes

[2:07:50] Voice 9: the First Nations introductory statement

[2:07:54] Voice 9: and also the building design and citing guidelines.

[2:07:56] Voice 9: lives. There was a community information held by both trustees August of last year and that the

[2:08:03] Voice 9: LTC gave staff a direction to staff to draft the bylaw last year as well. First reading of bylaw

[2:08:10] Voice 9: number 123 was given on November 5th of 2021 and no amendments had been made to that bylaw since.

[2:08:18] Voice 9: Again the public hearing was originally scheduled for May 6th but had to be rescheduled due to

[2:08:23] Voice 9: to the circumstance with the location.

[2:08:27] Voice 9: And so here we are today for the public hearing.

[2:08:30] Voice 9: Court is sweet.

[2:08:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much.

[2:08:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm not going to delay any further.

[2:08:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to jump right into the chair's remarks,

[2:08:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): which are necessary as part of the public hearing process.

[2:08:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I want to call the public hearing

[2:08:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): for proposed bylaw number 123 is now open.

[2:08:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): And welcome everybody, of course.

[2:08:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): This public hearing is being convened

[2:08:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): pursuant to section 465 of the Local Government Act

[2:08:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): in order to consider the following proposed bylaws.

[2:08:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Proposed bylaw number 123 cited South Pender Island Community bylaw number 107, 2011.

[2:09:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Amendment number 1, 2021.

[2:09:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): All persons who believe that their interest in property is affected in the proposed bylaws

[2:09:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submission

[2:09:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaws.

[2:09:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Those wishing to speak should commence the presentation by clearly stating their name and address.

[2:09:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): members of the local trust committee may, if they wish, ask questions.

[2:09:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): But he following a presentation, however, the main function of the trust local trust committee members is to listen to the views of the public.

[2:09:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): It is not the function of committee members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws with individual citizens.

[2:09:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard and none should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views.

[2:09:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): In considering the proposed bylaws, the local trust committee has received documents which may influence its decision.

[2:09:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Those documents are available for review during this hearing on our website and is indicated

[2:09:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the public hearing notice and indeed the binder that's on the table there and I think

[2:09:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's another one back there.

[2:09:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any person who wishes to present a written submission to the local trust committee may

[2:10:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): do so and all written submissions must be received by the local trust committee before

[2:10:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): the close of the hearing.

[2:10:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Send written submissions to vicphsub at items.trust.bc.ca.

[2:10:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Your only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws is during the hearing as members of

[2:10:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Local Trust Committee may not receive further submissions after the close of the

[2:10:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): hearing.

[2:10:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): After this public hearing has concluded, the Local Trust Committee may, without further

[2:10:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): notice, make whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws.

[2:10:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): That is the subject of the public hearing.

[2:10:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I think that concludes my piece, so the legislative clerk just needs to now review

[2:10:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): review uh the process that we've gone to get here what do you think a

[2:10:46] Voice 9: copy of this notice was

[2:10:48] Voice 9: advertised in two consecutive editions of the directwood on july 6th and july 13th of this year

[2:10:54] Voice 9: all notification requirements under the local government act have been now completed there's

[2:11:00] Voice 9: a copy of the complete public hearing binder available during this public hearing right up

[2:11:05] Voice 9: here and also in the back and is also located on the island's trust website the proposed uh bylaw

[2:11:11] Voice 9: number 123, if adopted, will amend the South Pender official community plan to include a First

[2:11:18] Voice 9: Nation introductory acknowledgement statement and also include building design and siting

[2:11:25] Voice 9: guidelines as an attachment to the OCP. The building design and siting guidelines are

[2:11:30] Voice 9: intended to be used where feasible when the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee considers

[2:11:36] Voice 9: considers development variance permit applications to vary the maximum floor area of residential

[2:11:42] Voice 9: buildings. The

[2:11:44] Voice 10: proposed bylaw was referred to a number of agencies. Those include the Ministry

[2:11:48] Voice 10: of Municipal Affairs and Housing, BC Assessment Authority, Capital Regional District Building

[2:11:52] Voice 10: Inspection, North

[2:11:54] Voice 9: Pender and Soturna Island Local Trust Committees for comment. In addition,

[2:11:58] Voice 9: 13 First Nations and also the Wasanich Leadership Council for comment. All comments received were

[2:12:04] Voice 9: either no comment or interest um unaffected the number of public submissions received to date um

[2:12:12] Voice 9: is 59 as of right now 59 submissions i'll pass back to you thank

[2:12:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much um and my final

[2:12:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): remarks that are necessary due to legislation submissions can

[2:12:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): be made at any time during and

[2:12:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): until the close of the hearing if any submissions are received during the meeting we will pause

[2:12:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): prior to the closing to ensure that the LCC has time

[2:12:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): to review those submissions.

[2:12:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): The submission should be mailed to BICPHSUB trust.bc.ca.

[2:12:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): I invite members of the public who wish to speak to line up.

[2:12:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Please state your name prior to making comments

[2:12:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): after your presentation to the LCC.

[2:12:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): The trustees may ask you questions,

[2:12:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): but they are primarily here to listen

[2:12:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): and will not debate the issue with you.

[2:12:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): I will call three times for speakers before closing

[2:12:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): and appearing, which by no further written

[2:13:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): or oral submissions can be made so without further ado i'm going to go to my speakers list and the

[2:13:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): first three names on there are christine diesel paul petrie and doug uh i think it is apologize

[2:13:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): for getting me right now

[2:13:14] Voice 4: christine christina

[2:13:21] Voice 3: from downland road on south panda um as stated in the

[2:13:26] Voice 3: previous uh one two two myself and

[2:13:29] Voice 9: a couple of other people took it upon ourselves to go knocking

[2:13:32] Voice 9: knocking door to door to do a poll and with also as a side with petition for those people that

[2:13:39] Voice 9: stated that they were opposed. We went door to door, we asked if they were for,

[2:13:44] Voice 3: opposed or

[2:13:46] Voice 3: neutral to the bylaw 123 regarding the guidelines. The numbers at the end were 108 people were

[2:13:57] Voice 3: opposed, 35 people were for, 16% were neutral, which equates to 68% opposed,

[2:14:04] Voice 9: 22% for, and 10%

[2:14:06] Voice 9: neutral. One of the overriding comments on that was that they felt that the document as it stood

[2:14:12] Voice 9: to date was not in a good enough position to move forward. It just felt like it needed more work.

[2:14:23] Voice 9: it was it was a little too um too vague um the of the opposition had to do with the bylaws the

[2:14:32] Voice 9: bylaw 123 being adopted as a bylaw under the ocp instead of it being housed as a separate guideline

[2:14:37] Voice 9: document specifically after um the meeting on june 2nd where trustee

[2:14:43] Voice 3: had stated that the bylaws would

[2:14:45] Voice 3: be used specifically if you came with a variance for a building permit and if it didn't comply with

[2:14:51] Voice 3: the building and subject guidelines that the variance or building permit would be rejected

[2:14:58] Voice 3: thank you

[2:14:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay thank you very much um and i'll note that we did receive uh written submit well

[2:15:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): electronic and written submission from the speaker now and that was um to say duplication in that

[2:15:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): that. Okay, well, Petrie.

[2:15:21] Voice 9: Thank you, Chair. I would just like to briefly speak in favor

[2:15:25] Voice 9: of the same building and setting guidelines to go into the OCP.

[2:15:29] Voice 9: I think that's the right place to take a lot more time on that.

[2:15:35] Voice 9: But the main thing I'd like to speak to is the First Nations

[2:15:38] Voice 9: Equality Statement. I think time

[2:15:41] Voice 1: is long overdue to have this

[2:15:43] Voice 1: brought in, I think the trust has been making important steps forward in recognition of

[2:15:49] Voice 1: First Nations.

[2:15:49] Voice 1: I think there's a lot of healing that needs to happen and this is a step in the right

[2:15:54] Voice 1: direction for that.

[2:15:56] Voice 1: There's been some comments about the lack of definitive response from First Nations.

[2:16:02] Voice 1: That's not unusual.

[2:16:03] Voice 1: This was drafted by trust staff without involvement of First Nations and their usual approach

[2:16:09] Voice 1: is nothing about us without us.

[2:16:13] Voice 1: But if they had objections, you would have heard the objections.

[2:16:17] Voice 1: So I think, quite frankly, you have a clear path to adopt those inclusion, acknowledgment

[2:16:27] Voice 1: state and inclusion in the OCP.

[2:16:29] Voice 1: I'd just like to say that there is important steps happening right now about the WSANUCH

[2:16:38] Voice 1: connecting with their traditional homeland both their youth and their elders

[2:16:41] Voice 9: this is very important

[2:16:43] Voice 9: for our community and this statement reinforces that reconnection and is very important to them

[2:16:50] in terms of the work that we're doing with them thank you

[2:16:54] Voice 5: thank you for that

[2:17:02] Voice 5: I'm Dag Falk and I'm from 8806 Ainslie Point Road and I forgot that last time.

[2:17:08] Voice 5: I think this bylaw also is not really well seasoned yet.

[2:17:16] Voice 5: I think it's premature to charge ahead.

[2:17:18] Voice 5: I think more time needs to be spent on kind of getting it right using the First Nations

[2:17:25] Voice 5: uh as one example of that it uh i care very much that we get this right and i think that

[2:17:34] Voice 5: not getting it right would probably be damaged to relationships and so that's my concern is that

[2:17:40] Voice 5: this uh like paul you mentioned it uh you know importance of talking to uh to them and having

[2:17:48] Voice 5: them on board so that we're not being insulted i know that the intention is good and i know that

[2:17:54] Voice 5: that we all feel that, you know, I don't think anybody's first

[2:17:57] Voice 5: nation is here, so we can't ask anybody. So I just think we need

[2:18:03] Voice 5: to

[2:18:04] Voice 9: do more work on that. And the building siting guidelines, I

[2:18:07] Voice 9: think, though, it, what it has created, same as the other

[2:18:12] Voice 9: bylaw that we discussed, is

[2:18:13] Voice 5: it's like, what we need in order to

[2:18:16] Voice 5: create the change that we want to see, and the change that I

[2:18:19] Voice 5: want to see, is I want to see environmental protection at the

[2:18:23] Voice 5: top of the list. I mean that's my main concern, is that we become, that South Pender becomes a leader

[2:18:29] Voice 5: in protecting the environment that we live in and that we are able to do that through cooperation

[2:18:34] Voice 7: and creativity and really advanced methods and communication strategy to reach that.

[2:18:43] Voice 5: And I think that both these bylaws, they're rushed and I think they may lock in the perception

[2:18:52] Voice 5: thing is that we've done our bit now and I feel like we need to do a lot more and rushing through

[2:18:58] Voice 5: sort of a half-baked solution that there are very many problems with as we've heard and we'll

[2:19:02] Voice 5: probably hear more details I'm not talking about the details so they won't keep my my comments

[2:19:07] Voice 5: general by doing that I think we missed the opportunity to kind of get it right and

[2:19:11] Voice 9: the

[2:19:12] Voice 9: other thing that's done is it's created a lot of lack of goodwill opposition people have gotten

[2:19:19] Voice 9: their backs up about this both these issues and i

[2:19:23] Voice 5: think that that's not the way to move

[2:19:26] Voice 5: the objectives forward because we need the cooperation and we need the goodwill of everyone

[2:19:32] Voice 5: to do this and this has created the opposite so i would suggest that we start well it's not

[2:19:39] Voice 5: completely over again at least give it a whole lot more time and a whole lot more of the discussion

[2:19:44] Voice 5: this discussion is trying to come through in meetings like this where it's not actually

[2:19:49] Voice 5: appropriate according to the

[2:19:50] Voice 9: process because we're supposed to not discuss here we're supposed to

[2:19:52] Voice 9: just give our opinion but discussion questions comments come up that don't really belong here

[2:19:59] Voice 9: and the reason for that is because that process hasn't happened properly

[2:20:03] Voice 9: and that's what i take note of and so that's my comments thank you thank

[2:20:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much

[2:20:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): My next speaker now is Gordon Duncan, then Shelly Henshaw, and then Dennis Perkins, please.

[2:20:24] Voice 5: Thank you, Gordon Duncan, Shelly Henshaw.

[2:20:28] Voice 5: I guess my concerns are with the reconciliation, First Nations reconciliation, bylaw 123.

[2:20:40] Voice 5: 23. I just feel that the trust as a whole is dealing with this issue in a major way

[2:20:50] Voice 5: through their reconciliation process and through the trust policy statement, all of which is up

[2:20:57] Voice 5: for grabs right now. So I don't believe that we should be

[2:21:01] Voice 9: leading the pack in this case. I think

[2:21:05] Voice 9: as a trust or as a group that we need to be here or we need to hear what

[2:21:13] Voice 5: is developed with the

[2:21:15] Voice 5: trust policy statement the overall statement for all of the islands and where get some direction

[2:21:25] Voice 5: from the trust in their policy for

[2:21:30] Voice 9: reconciliation i don't think i'm not sure where

[2:21:34] Voice 9: where this policy was developed.

[2:21:36] Voice 5: I believe it was developed locally

[2:21:39] Voice 5: or by perhaps one staff person.

[2:21:43] Voice 5: So do we know for sure that this is the way forward?

[2:21:48] Voice 5: And I think that kind of falls a little bit

[2:21:50] Voice 5: on what that might said,

[2:21:53] Voice 5: said in that we need to do a lot more to be involved

[2:21:59] Voice 5: before we commit here as South Pendard

[2:22:02] Voice 5: to things that we're not quite sure about with respect to the First Nations.

[2:22:07] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:22:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Lord.

[2:22:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Shelley Henshaw.

[2:22:14] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:22:21] Voice 3: With respect to the First Nations intro, I'm going to share everybody's concerns.

[2:22:26] Voice 3: I personally think it is presumptuous and paternal to say that this is all accurate.

[2:22:36] Voice 3: if it hasn't been approved by the First Nations.

[2:22:40] Voice 3: And I would have loved to hear somebody actually from First Nations

[2:22:44] Voice 3: come and speak

[2:22:45] Voice 3: to us and say, this is good, this is good,

[2:22:47] Voice 3: this is good, this is what we want and what we seek.

[2:22:51] Voice 3: But we haven't had that.

[2:22:52] Voice 3: And I would also say that at the June 2nd meeting,

[2:22:57] Voice 3: Dennis Perch raised issues about the interpretation

[2:23:01] Voice 3: of the First Nations intro.

[2:23:03] Voice 3: Joe. And I have to say that I was surprised when he said, well, what does this mean? Does this mean

[2:23:09] Voice 3: that I shouldn't be picking up mussels from the beach and oysters? I shouldn't be cutting the

[2:23:14] Voice 3: ocean spring. I shouldn't be doing these things. What does it mean? And none of you had any answers.

[2:23:21] Voice 3: And I would have thought the next step would be some paper would come on for all of us to say,

[2:23:28] Voice 3: this is what this means but there's been nothing so i look at this and it's like i don't understand

[2:23:34] Voice 3: it um like what is this about when you when you read some of this stuff that there's written here

[2:23:41] Voice 3: is i don't understand it um do first nations actually want us to change all our assignments

[2:23:48] Voice 3: do they i don't know but it would be interesting if they came here and told us and why that i could

[2:23:54] Voice 3: get more behind it and there are other things here as well so i think you've got my message

[2:24:00] Voice 3: when it comes to um the building guidelines i don't want to live beside an ugly house

[2:24:09] Voice 3: probably i don't um but i do think these guidelines as well as you know when you

[2:24:17] Voice 3: look at principles of design and you want something that's restrained and proportionate

[2:24:23] Voice 3: and manner subordinate to the natural and rural character who's going to judge that and what does

[2:24:28] Voice 3: that mean and something that's not ostentatious

[2:24:32] Voice 9: well beauty is in the eyes of the beholder

[2:24:35] Voice 9: and one of the things that makes rural houses and cottages and big houses and little houses

[2:24:43] Voice 9: interesting this is indifferent and

[2:24:45] Voice 3: i'm charming and i i just think this is kind of odd um i am

[2:24:51] Voice 3: have a house in a subdivision in Fort Langley and they all look the same which is great it's just

[2:24:57] Voice 3: what you expect and I think that's very urgent to really have a very cosmetic um standardized

[2:25:05] Voice 3: appearance and I guess we all like the same thing in our subdivision because we all actually look

[2:25:10] Voice 3: quite alike um so when I look at these things that you know who's going

[2:25:16] Voice 3: to judge all this what

[2:25:17] Voice 3: you going to do say well that's ostentatious and then there's another provisional that says

[2:25:22] Voice 3: don't build something that's a repetition of style that looks like your neighbors um i don't know

[2:25:28] Voice 3: i uh i think that this is something that should be more community input and but uh i i forget who it

[2:25:38] Voice 3: was dag that when you said about the environment yeah i would really like to focus on what we

[2:25:43] Voice 3: should be doing in our residences and in our gardens to make it environmentally sound and

[2:25:48] Voice 3: show leadership in that regard i would be behind that 100 thank you thank you

[2:25:54] Voice 12: thank

[2:25:55] Voice 9: you

[2:25:58] Voice 12: once again

[2:26:02] Voice 9: um so i have two letters to submit one from my husband one from richard

[2:26:09] Voice 9: christie with regard to bylaw number one two three both are opposed and i also personally

[2:26:16] Voice 9: oppose them but we oppose them for what i believe for many reasons of what has already been put

[2:26:21] Voice 9: forward trustee wright said to me at one point that he was going to not move forward with the

[2:26:29] Voice 9: first nations part because he felt that having them involved personally in that discussion was

[2:26:36] Voice 9: important so i'm a little surprised that it's come forward the way it has it was

[2:26:43] Voice 5: that's an incorrect statement i've said that with respect to first

[2:26:47] Voice 5: uh to the rights of nature and that was altered and passed on so thank you okay

[2:26:52] Voice 9: just

[2:26:56] Voice 9: anyways my my point is that it's just what shelly says and that's important

[2:27:02] Voice 9: and to what dad said that this needs to be done in a much higher um instruction within the islands

[2:27:10] Voice 9: trust that recognizes all of the islands it's important full disclosure i grew up in camels

[2:27:17] Voice 9: when i was in grade 10 the residential school was integrated into my high school

[2:27:22] Voice 9: it was not a pleasant time and it disheartens me to see us ignore some of this i'm not saying

[2:27:31] Voice 9: that we shouldn't recognize first nations in our official community plan we can and we should

[2:27:38] Voice 9: recognize the importance of that reconciliation with first nations but we don't need to go into

[2:27:44] Voice 9: a long dissertation about the flora and the fauna and the plants and the muscles and whatever else

[2:27:50] Voice 9: is in three pages to the build and design guidelines i'm going to read what my husband

[2:27:55] Voice 9: has put in here. My husband is a planner, has been a planner, we've been involved in planning

[2:28:02] Voice 9: since 1971. The proposed building sign guidelines are completely out of step with the character

[2:28:09] Voice 9: and development of self-dependent. The idea that these are only guidelines is a reckless use of

[2:28:15] Voice 9: terminology and misleading at the very best. Once enshrined in the bylaw they will be de facto

[2:28:20] Voice 9: regulations and residents can expect in order to get the trust staff sign off on building

[2:28:26] Voice 9: current applications they will have to include details to show compliance with the guidelines

[2:28:32] Voice 9: more importantly the legal basis for local government authority over building design does

[2:28:37] Voice 9: not rest with the trust via its enabling legislation and i'll leave you to figure that

[2:28:42] Voice 9: one out this initiative has wasted tremendous amount of trust staff time budget and is entirely

[2:28:50] Voice 9: unjustified by both the lack of community support and the lack of jurisdiction I would add that I

[2:28:56] Voice 9: believe and we can say yes you can get a development variance permit that adds cost we

[2:29:05] Voice 9: talk about having your house surveyed so that you know if you're non-compliant what you can do in

[2:29:11] Voice 9: the end it adds cost the reference to the fact that you know all environment all environmentally

[2:29:17] Voice 9: we've related building permits will show we have a house that was built long before building permits

[2:29:24] Voice 9: were issued

[2:29:24] Voice 4: so

[2:29:26] Voice 9: these things and together with and so again full disclosure i am the canadian

[2:29:36] Voice 9: representative for the large cruise ship industry environment is important an environment is

[2:29:45] Voice 9: important across the shipping industry. The idea that anything that we are doing here

[2:29:52] Voice 9: impacts the southern resident killer whale is both not true

[2:30:00] Voice 9: and inconsequential to what we are trying to do.

[2:30:03] Voice 9: I would remind everyone that if you care to investigate this further,

[2:30:08] Voice 9: you will find

[2:30:09] Voice 9: that the greatest impact on southern resin killer whales are twofold.

[2:30:13] Voice 9: First off, 50 of them, all males, were allowed to be captured in the 1960s to go to aquariums.

[2:30:23] Voice 9: That's the first thing.

[2:30:25] Voice 9: The second thing is, we've overfished the herring, the salmon have nothing.

[2:30:28] Voice 9: thing. We've overfished the sand, the whales have nothing to eat. Then we can get into the

[2:30:33] Voice 9: environmental impacts. But those are the facts. And I don't think they should have a bearing on

[2:30:40] Voice 9: what we're doing here in any way. Thank you very much.

[2:30:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much, Donna.

[2:30:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, Dennis Purch is my last name on my speaker's list, and I'll be asking a second time.

[2:30:59] Voice 2: My name is Dennis Perch, and I'm a resident of the Tender Island Canal Road.

[2:31:04] Voice 2: For those of you who don't know me, I'm going to clarify this because I was in an accusation made earlier about this meeting.

[2:31:10] Voice 2: I am an Indigenous person, but I'm not a member of the First Nations locally.

[2:31:16] Voice 2: First thing I'd like to say is the Islanders Trust has other initiatives going on to involve First Nations.

[2:31:22] Voice 2: They've been stalled, the rights of nature and the policy statement, they're both stalled

[2:31:28] Voice 2: because of lack of consultation adequately with First Nations, you can look through the

[2:31:34] Voice 2: trust records, it's all written down there for you.

[2:31:36] Voice 2: Why this is proceeding, I'm not sure, but I'm going to read this to you because it gets

[2:31:39] Voice 2: a little technical.

[2:31:41] Voice 2: In reference to First Nations reconciliation portion of the proposed bylaw 123, I would

[2:31:47] Voice 2: like to request that it be postponed until First Nations have had an acceptable amount

[2:31:51] Voice 2: amount of time to contribute on their own terms.

[2:31:54] Voice 2: To date, there has not been meaningful consultation,

[2:31:56] Voice 2: discussion, or agreement with First Nations

[2:31:58] Voice 2: for whom this land is sacred.

[2:32:00] Voice 2: Yet the LTC is rushing forward with its own view

[2:32:03] Voice 2: of what it thinks is reconciliation

[2:32:05] Voice 2: and proceeding according to its own schedule.

[2:32:08] Voice 2: This is not reconciliation respectful

[2:32:10] Voice 2: of the timelines of Indigenous people.

[2:32:13] Voice 2: The LTC's consultation was correspondent

[2:32:16] Voice 2: to the 14 First Nations and nation councils,

[2:32:18] Voice 2: According to trust records, only two responses were received, neither provided guidance.

[2:32:23] Voice 2: Serious problems with considering this consultation as being adequate at this point.

[2:32:28] Voice 2: For example, the bylaw contains a list of specific plants, foods, medicines, other sacred cultural items identified as being of critical importance to First Nations,

[2:32:37] Voice 2: but the 14 First Nations have not yet stated that they consider this accurate, complete, or acceptable, as they have not had the opportunity to comment, according to Zilchendos.

[2:32:48] Voice 2: Incidentally, from information recently received from one First Nation, it appears that this list

[2:32:52] Voice 2: prepared by the trust contains omissions, but I'll discuss this later. There are methods to ensure

[2:32:58] Voice 2: more responsible conservation. The provincial government has set aside two years to discuss

[2:33:04] Voice 2: old growth forests with First Nations and other islands. For example, First Nations

[2:33:10] Voice 2: on study marks First Nation and Gabriela have a mutual agreement providing extensive documentation

[2:33:17] Voice 2: process one-on-one consultation dialogue and agreements before the LTC implements any quote

[2:33:23] Voice 2: community plans zoning or land use bylaw also disturbing in this rush to complete the bylaw

[2:33:31] Voice 2: before the October election is that it conflicts with the island's trust's own reconciliation

[2:33:35] Voice 2: Reconciliation Action Plan.

[2:33:37] Voice 2: I won't go into the plan itself,

[2:33:40] Voice 2: it gets lengthy and everything,

[2:33:41] Voice 2: but it says working with First Nations,

[2:33:43] Voice 2: consulting First Nations,

[2:33:43] Voice 2: but specifically in regard to land use planning,

[2:33:47] Voice 2: it states local trust committees

[2:33:48] Voice 2: and local planning services should strive

[2:33:50] Voice 2: to incorporate indigenous perspectives,

[2:33:53] Voice 2: knowledge, stewardship, and understanding

[2:33:55] Voice 2: into their land use planning and management plans.

[2:33:57] Voice 2: That's not happening here.

[2:33:59] Voice 2: The Trust Reconciliation Action Plan also states

[2:34:02] Voice 2: the intent and commitment on this Reconciliation Action Plan is a willingness to work in new ways

[2:34:09] Voice 2: and to take the time needed to implement reconciliation. Realizing that reconciliation

[2:34:15] Voice 2: work is not a checklist or a conventional assessment process with timeline outlines

[2:34:20] Voice 2: is important. These important requirements are not being followed. Some time ago, I felt that

[2:34:28] Voice 2: as an Indigenous person, I should have a working knowledge of the United Nations Declaration on

[2:34:33] Voice 2: on the Rights of Indigenous People,

[2:34:34] Voice 2: and subsequent BC Declaration

[2:34:36] Voice 2: on the Rights of Indigenous People.

[2:34:38] Voice 2: If you read either declaration,

[2:34:41] Voice 2: most would agree that the elements described are worthy

[2:34:43] Voice 2: and need to be addressed,

[2:34:44] Voice 2: but two of them in particular apply here today.

[2:34:47] Voice 2: The article 18, Indigenous peoples have the right

[2:34:51] Voice 2: to participate in the decision-making matters

[2:34:53] Voice 2: which will affect their rights

[2:34:55] Voice 2: through representatives chosen by themselves

[2:34:57] Voice 2: in accordance with their own procedures.

[2:35:00] Voice 2: Not happening here.

[2:35:02] Voice 2: Under 19, states shall consult and cooperate in good faith with Indigenous people concerning

[2:35:09] Voice 2: in order to obtain their first prior and informed consent before adopting and implementing

[2:35:14] Voice 2: legislative or administrative measures that may affect them. Again, it's not happening here. So

[2:35:19] Voice 2: I'm not going to go into a lot of detail, but basically none of these things are happening.

[2:35:23] Voice 2: The Islands Trust, recognizing its processes deficient in other areas I mentioned,

[2:35:29] Voice 2: took a phase two consultation with First Nations

[2:35:34] Voice 2: before they went into the policy statement.

[2:35:36] Voice 2: Again, that's where we are now, phase two.

[2:35:40] Voice 2: We haven't had phase one here.

[2:35:42] Voice 2: Back to Bylaw 123, we've actually heard from a few people,

[2:35:48] Voice 2: one trustee, a couple residents, saying that First Nations

[2:35:52] Voice 2: probably agree or maybe they don't need to or whatever.

[2:35:56] Voice 2: This is not respectful.

[2:35:59] Voice 2: Basically, the First Nations have stated that they want to be and deserve to be part of

[2:36:06] Voice 2: the phase two consultation.

[2:36:07] Voice 2: You can see it in the trust records.

[2:36:08] Voice 2: Some of the recommendations are, there needs to be a commitment going forward, I'm quoting

[2:36:14] Voice 2: them.

[2:36:14] Voice 2: There needs to be a commitment going forward to involve Indigenous perspectives and voices

[2:36:18] Voice 2: at all stages, problem identification, design, concept phase, through to decision making.

[2:36:25] Voice 2: Another one, specify that indigenous culture and significant spaces include, but are not limited to, shell middens, burial caves, cairns, archaeological features, culturally modified trees, etc.

[2:36:37] Voice 2: You'll notice this doesn't match the list prepared by the LTC. It's quite different.

[2:36:42] Voice 2: It's missing some, it overstates some.

[2:36:46] Voice 2: And specify what responsibilities visitors and landowners have to be stewards.

[2:36:50] Voice 2: The First Nations are asking for this.

[2:36:52] Voice 2: We asked this at the last meeting.

[2:36:55] Voice 2: What are our responsibilities?

[2:36:56] Voice 2: I believe Shelly just mentioned that.

[2:36:57] Voice 2: What are we supposed to be doing?

[2:36:59] Voice 2: They're asking the same question as we're asking, but it's not being answered here.

[2:37:03] Voice 2: The WSATIC are probably the nation most closely related to South Central Island.

[2:37:07] Voice 2: And they have stated that they have a number of recommendations to make regarding consultation

[2:37:12] Voice 2: on trust activity, and their recommendations will be presented to the Islands Trust this

[2:37:17] Voice 2: summer.

[2:37:19] Voice 2: These comments will likely have a significant impact on bylaws like 123 that directly affect

[2:37:23] Voice 2: WSANIC interests. This is an unambiguous signal from them that they want to be a part of the

[2:37:29] Voice 2: process. What I'm hearing here is there seems to be a lot more depth of thought

[2:37:33] Voice 2: about reconciliation going on among First Nations themselves than within the trust

[2:37:38] Voice 2: committee. As a result, there's no way bylaw 123 should proceed or display a profound disrespect

[2:37:44] Voice 2: respect for the wishes of the WSANIC people and towards reconciliation principles generally.

[2:37:50] Voice 2: If I can predict a possible thought process going into the head table right now, let's

[2:37:55] Voice 2: just put something together and we'll fix it later, that would be a profound misunderstanding

[2:37:59] Voice 2: of the principles of reconciliation.

[2:38:02] Voice 2: There's no reason that, like the policy statement, this bylaw cannot be delayed until the next

[2:38:07] Voice 2: election cycle when the views of the WSANIC and other Indigenous people can be more fully

[2:38:11] Voice 2: understood and incorporated into the bylaw.

[2:38:13] Voice 2: for these reasons i cannot support proposed bylaw 123 and i hope our community agrees with me and

[2:38:19] Voice 2: the ltcs list i asked this young to be incorporated into minutes

[2:38:22] Voice 2: okay okay

[2:38:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you very much and um thank you so that concludes the people on my speakers list is

[2:38:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): there anybody else uh asking a second time is there anybody else speak i see one two three

[2:38:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): three, four hands up.

[2:38:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So can you self-organize yourselves

[2:38:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): to come up to the podium here, please?

[2:38:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): It'd be good if you all kind of lined up

[2:38:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'd know where I'm at.

[2:38:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm just going to remind you

[2:38:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): that some of you spoke for less than two minutes.

[2:38:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Some of you spoke for longer than two minutes.

[2:38:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let's try and keep it to two minutes

[2:38:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): because we are running out of time today.

[2:39:03] Voice 8: As

[2:39:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): you have to self-organize yourself.

[2:39:08] Voice 8: I just want to mention one little thing more about the Build and Design Guidelines.

[2:39:14] Voice 8: I've heard it more than once being said by trustees that don't worry about the Build

[2:39:18] Voice 8: and Design Guidelines, they're just an attachment and they're not law, they're not a bylaw.

[2:39:24] Voice 8: But this is the thing, once they're there, they serve as guidelines.

[2:39:29] Voice 8: It's no different than when we got introduced temporary use permits for vacation rentals

[2:39:36] Voice 8: when vacation rentals were excluded from our bylaws.

[2:39:40] Voice 8: So I

[2:39:41] Voice 9: remember at the time of discussion, staff saying, well, when an application comes forward,

[2:39:46] Voice 9: the guidelines will be used to help an applicant potentially get approval for an application.

[2:39:55] Voice 9: So to me, that means here's the guidelines.

[2:39:57] Voice 9: lines if you want to get accepted I suggest you follow these guidelines so they do have strength

[2:40:05] Voice 9: and I prefer them not to be part of the bylaw thank you okay and

[2:40:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): did you say you prefer them

[2:40:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be not part of the bylaw

[2:40:13] Voice 3: yes I have said there's other guidelines out there that the

[2:40:17] Voice 3: trust itself the trust has published as as I forgot I'll put it in

[2:40:22] Voice 8: my letter but there are

[2:40:24] Voice 8: well

[2:40:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): I understand that but you're not in favor

[2:40:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm

[2:40:26] Voice 8: not a very good thank

[2:40:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): you that's what i see um next speaker

[2:40:34] Voice 8: south kender island um my comment is very simple this bylaws like it's two totally different things

[2:40:44] Voice 8: how can you possibly vote with a reconciliation for first nations without enough detail to even

[2:40:50] Voice 8: to think about and slate and design like if you're going to vote how can you vote

[2:40:56] Voice 8: problems are one or the other i mean it's it's two different things totally so that's what i'm

[2:41:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): trying to say and just

[2:41:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): help me out what

[2:41:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): was your name again elma

[2:41:06] Voice 9: like okay thank you

[2:41:15] i'm not sure whether i can speak to this right now but perhaps you can tell me it's

[2:41:20] in regard to the petition that went around and i speak um a little bit about the process or not

[2:41:27] Voice 8: in regard to in regard to 1.3 um

[2:41:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): well we're actually more interested in what you think

[2:41:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): about the process and what your opinion is on the back

[2:41:39] Voice 9: okay well i'm i'm not in favor of the bylaw

[2:41:42] Voice 9: as it stands i think there are too many things a few things that need to be ironed out in both

[2:41:48] time was but that's so quickly about this one but um since the petition was

[2:41:53] forward here um my comment is in regard to um you know that many people signed in opposition

[2:42:07] Voice 9: um i'd rather reluctantly took on the part of the gavel point road section of the petitions

[2:42:12] Voice 9: when christina that's all uh came to my home and presented um for more than just my signature and i

[2:42:20] i took

[2:42:21] Voice 9: it on as some of you may recall she had asked the trustees at the june 2nd community

[2:42:26] Voice 9: information meeting if a petition showed a majority in opposition would they reconsider

[2:42:30] Voice 9: the bylaws both said that they would look at those petitions if they were presented christina drafted

[2:42:37] Voice 9: the petitions in good faith she did a lot of work to get the ball rolling for those who wanted to

[2:42:41] Voice 9: state their opposition she gave certain sections of the position to people she felt would support

[2:42:47] Voice 9: her cause and ask them to gather signatures christina felt it was important to have people

[2:42:52] Voice 9: state that they were in favor of the proposals if that was the case and so that question was asked

[2:42:58] Voice 9: people who said that they were neutral and there were some were later added to the numbers

[2:43:04] Voice 9: christina's processing very fair to me although it was recognized that many people were part

[2:43:10] Voice 9: customers or rarely visited their properties especially if the properties are not developed yet

[2:43:15] Voice 9: there was no way to get contact information for most of those owners um we don't have access to

[2:43:21] Voice 9: voters this uh there were a few people who would not give their opinion either way and i think um

[2:43:27] Voice 9: some of those people have given uh written submissions um in regards to these meanings

[2:43:33] Voice 9: um i've read in the public uh i've read a public hearing submission um written by a very well

[2:43:39] Voice 9: well-intended resident who took issue with the petition

[2:43:41] Voice 9: and said that there was apparently intimidation involved.

[2:43:46] Voice 9: The writer whom I consider a friend cautioned readers

[2:43:51] Voice 9: to look at who the people are behind the petitions.

[2:43:55] Voice 9: I took issue with that statement.

[2:43:57] Voice 9: These are, this is part of the public record.

[2:43:59] Voice 9: You are in overtime.

[2:44:01] Voice 9: Okay, anyways, I just wanted to state

[2:44:04] Voice 9: state that the trustees have spoken to a trustee at a different time on a different issue and

[2:44:14] Voice 9: I was asked, what about people who don't attend the meetings? How are they, you know, how

[2:44:21] Voice 9: are their opinions being considered? And the trustee told me that when people don't attend

[2:44:27] Voice 9: 10th of the meetings, they are considered to be in agreement.

[2:44:30] Voice 9: So this these petitions are

[2:44:34] Voice 9: children. That's not well,

[2:44:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee may have that point of

[2:44:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): view. I would concur.

[2:44:45] Voice 9: Maybe questions.

[2:44:47] Voice 9: Thank

[2:44:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): you. Next speaker, please. Your name is Cody.

[2:44:52] I

[2:44:52] Voice 5: really appreciated the former comments on UNDRIV aspect of anything that's going forward here.

[2:45:04] I really appreciate that, especially in this particular voice.

[2:45:08] However, I would say two things.

[2:45:09] Let's not seek half the perfect to get in the way of the good.

[2:45:14] That's number one.

[2:45:15] We're trying to do something good here.

[2:45:17] Perfection for the means of income.

[2:45:19] come. The OCP and the guidelines are a course in progress. They are living documents. They evolve

[2:45:26] over time. Other people, other times, other conditions, and hopefully each time we do that,

[2:45:33] Voice 5: we do it because we're seeking better, if not perfect. The other thing I'd like to say is this

[2:45:38] Voice 5: is an aspirational thing. I view

[2:45:40] Voice 1: this as aspirational. I view this as a big hand, big

[2:45:45] Voice 1: making extended the first agents people

[2:45:49] Voice 1: and leaving that hand out there

[2:45:52] Voice 1: until the

[2:45:53] Voice 5: feeling comes forward

[2:45:54] Voice 5: that they want us to join our hands.

[2:45:57] Voice 5: They work in different timeframes.

[2:45:59] Voice 5: They don't have four year cycles, elections, I don't think.

[2:46:02] Voice 5: And they aspire to different, perhaps different things.

[2:46:06] Voice 5: And this will be modified over time,

[2:46:08] Voice 5: but without putting that one step or that hand out there,

[2:46:11] Voice 5: we're not showing any good faith.

[2:46:13] Voice 5: i think this is a good faith aspirational document i have not read it in detail i don't know all of

[2:46:19] Voice 5: the facts about these plans and apples and things like that but i do say i think it's time to make

[2:46:24] Voice 5: that initial step and reach out a hand thank you very much for doing it thank you okay good

[2:46:32] Voice 5: afternoon um my name is jaron madison i'm on south canal uh we've been building there for

[2:46:41] Voice 5: a couple of years. First of all, I oppose 122. I also oppose 123. And by the way, I'd like to

[2:46:52] Voice 5: acknowledge, I think it's Christine, I'd like to acknowledge on behalf of Southender, if I can,

[2:46:57] Voice 5: the fact that you've led those surveys. I think that's great work. And that's objective

[2:47:03] Voice 5: information that should be used in the decision. So thank you for that. First of all, in terms of

[2:47:08] Voice 5: 123. I'm in the infrastructure business, infrastructure project business, energy

[2:47:14] Voice 5: infrastructure. I'm heavily involved in Indigenous relations and stakeholder relations, a piece of

[2:47:21] Voice 5: those kinds of projects. And we're all grappling with what reconciliation means. Obviously,

[2:47:30] Voice 5: UNGRIP is providing the high-level principles and the entire world, the entire nation and

[2:47:38] Voice 5: industry and municipalities and all levels of government are trying to understand what does

[2:47:43] Voice 5: reconciliation look like. Right now, we don't know. Collectively, we have to admit that. We all

[2:47:48] Voice 5: agree it's got to be done, but we don't know what it looks like. I think it was Gordy who said

[2:47:52] Voice 5: earlier, it's up for grabs, and it really is up for grabs. 123 is very prescriptive.

[2:48:00] Voice 5: Saltpender Soriales Trust has adopted a very prescriptive view on the way it needs to go.

[2:48:09] Voice 5: First time I read it was today. Scared the life out of me. Again, I'm not saying that reconciliation is important, but this prescriptive way of doing it is way offside, and in my humble opinion, guys, Island's Trust is punching way above its weight class here.

[2:48:30] Voice 9: I'll just read something, and I'd love to ask you a question.

[2:48:36] Voice 9: Well,

[2:48:36] Voice 5: I'm running into over 10.

[2:48:38] Voice 5: Okay, this will be quick.

[2:48:40] Voice 5: Okay, page three of six says that self pender LTC will undertake actions, etc, etc. And then we'll preserve traditional harvesting, fishing and medicine gathering locations, etc, etc. Advocate your community to create offered. Okay, that's not the one.

[2:49:00] Voice 5: Consider changes to land use building height and density. So is this going to involve private property and public property and all of the above?

[2:49:11] Voice 9: so you know i think we need to hear your opinion well my opinion is i paid for my property yeah

[2:49:18] Voice 9: right okay

[2:49:18] Voice 5: so again with the caveat that i uh reconciliation is important we're all we're all

[2:49:25] Voice 5: landowners we've got some of us at beachfront and this is very open-ended and is subject to

[2:49:31] Voice 5: a potential roadway so i i really was i really asked that you reconsider and uh

[2:49:37] Voice 5: i'll be resisting it

[2:49:38] Voice 9: okay thank you thank you very

[2:49:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): much all right so i'm gonna call uh uh a

[2:49:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): third time is there anybody that was just gonna speak a first time my third call speaking a first

[2:49:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): time and those that wish to speak a second time then actually call pictures stepped up and donna

[2:49:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you

[2:50:02] Voice 9: chair um this is an important discussion and and i welcome it and i just want to say that

[2:50:08] Voice 9: Dennis Kirch, that I totally understand where he's

[2:50:11] Voice 1: coming from. What is missing here is the

[2:50:14] Voice 1: distinction between government-to-government relationships and community-to-community

[2:50:19] Voice 1: relationships. And in this case, this statement is one that really expresses a community-to-community

[2:50:26] Voice 1: relationship. It doesn't impose anything on the First Nation, but it's saying to them,

[2:50:31] Voice 1: we respect you and your history as we understand it. And it opens the dialogue with strength that

[2:50:37] Voice 1: that we said. So I think distinction is really important. This is not imposing on them something

[2:50:44] Voice 1: that requires them to do that they're not in favor of. I will say that I work with First Nations

[2:50:50] Voice 1: elders, have been for the last eight years. We sit together, we have planned events,

[2:50:56] Voice 1: important events to them. They're happening right here on this island and this enhances that. So

[2:51:03] Voice 1: So all I can say is from a community-to-community basis, this is a very important step forward.

[2:51:08] Voice 1: And I urge the trustees not to get caught up in the government-to-government dimension

[2:51:14] Voice 1: of this where it requires them to do something or imposes

[2:51:17] Voice 9: something on you.

[2:51:18] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:51:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[2:51:20] Voice 12: Thank you, Paul.

[2:51:21] Voice 12: Very good work.

[2:51:22] Voice 12: Last one.

[2:51:25] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:51:26] Voice 9: I appreciate Paul's comments.

[2:51:32] Voice 9: I think they're very good comments.

[2:51:34] Voice 9: I would call on Paul to interact with our trustees and to bring those people who he is having meetings with constantly to the table to meet with our trustees to figure out who wants what, where, and when.

[2:51:51] Voice 9: because right now we have a piece of paper that is saying what the trust well i don't know

[2:51:59] Voice 9: actually i don't know who created that piece of paper that's good so whatever it's a decision

[2:52:06] Voice 9: that has come to us without any consultation with us and this is going to be my big point

[2:52:13] Voice 9: yet again this was never presented to the apc as a referral and asked to be have a discussion

[2:52:22] Voice 9: with themselves or the community. The APC that was in place represents a very very good cross-section

[2:52:29] Voice 9: of the people who live on the south end of this island. Secondly, the building design guidelines

[2:52:39] Voice 9: were sent and we were asked to comment on them. The original ones that were sent were then revised

[2:52:49] Voice 9: and a different provision was sent that was created by one of our trustees.

[2:52:54] Voice 9: Our comment back to the trust was, which one are we supposed to be considering?

[2:53:01] Voice 9: Which one are we supposed to be looking at?

[2:53:04] Voice 9: And which one would you like comments on?

[2:53:07] Voice 9: Following that, which is, I believe, in your package, as of the minutes of the APC,

[2:53:15] Voice 9: the APC no longer exists.

[2:53:17] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:53:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much, Donna.

[2:53:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for your work on this.

[2:53:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): So on my third calling, is there anybody else that we should address the LTC today on

[2:53:29] Voice 12: bylaw number 123?

[2:53:34] Voice 12: All right.

[2:53:35] Voice 12: I'm going to conclude that we've

[2:53:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): done three meetings as required by the legislation and close the public hearing.

[2:53:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we want to thank you all for your rich amount of information you've received and the diversity of the points you've given.

[2:53:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm going to return to my agenda here now and essentially I don't think I need to do any of this other administrative stuff so I'm just going to go straight to the land use bylaw amendments project so we've heard now by the 122, 123 public hearing we've received a ton of information.

[2:54:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): i would like to get an indication from the trustees oh sorry

[2:54:21] Voice 9: i did misspoke it would be nice

[2:54:22] Voice 9: to um adopt those minutes that are on top of page two if we could quickly get a yeah

[2:54:29] Voice 6: which one is

[2:54:29] Voice 6: that june 2nd and 17th

[2:54:31] Voice 9: it is for may 6 june 2nd yes and june 17th for adoption 8.1 8.2 and 8.3

[2:54:39] Voice 9: so

[2:54:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): how about a motion that says let's adopt unless there's any changes to those minutes

[2:54:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you know

[2:54:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): what, I'm just going to do my chair thing, and then I am going to assume, I'm going to adopt the minutes of May the 6th, June the 2nd, and June the 17th by general consent.

[2:54:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Great. Done. Awesome. Thank you for catching me.

[2:55:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, trustees, we kind of had some casual conversation and laying out some expectations.

[2:55:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): We thought about some dates for potential future meetings.

[2:55:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): what uh what would your remarks like to be right now and is there any direction that you would like

[2:55:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): to provide to staff at this time

[2:55:16] Voice 6: um thank you chair um i mean given the constraints of time

[2:55:21] Voice 6: yeah it's it's kind of hard to get in i mean there's a lot that we've heard today there's a

[2:55:26] Voice 6: lot of correspondence that we received over the course of many months because of course this

[2:55:30] Voice 6: public hearing was deferred and we were receiving letters letters over a big period of time so

[2:55:35] Voice 6: there's been a lot of information i feel given the time and the commitment that people have put

[2:55:41] Voice 6: into it it warrants i i don't think that if you want to be out here at 2 30 and wrap everything

[2:55:46] Voice 6: up and i'll buy your equipment out here i don't think we can really get into a fulsome discussion

[2:55:50] Voice 6: and i don't think it's it's fair to any of us so i i really i mean i other than saying i

[2:55:56] Voice 6: appreciate um once again everybody coming out and i think in a very um respectful way speaking to

[2:56:04] Voice 6: to the points that they want to bring forward.

[2:56:06] Voice 6: I thought it was a well-run meeting,

[2:56:07] Voice 6: but in an ideal world,

[2:56:10] Voice 6: I would like to be able to come to the next step in this,

[2:56:14] Voice 6: but I just don't think we have the time here today.

[2:56:16] Voice 6: So I would agree with you that we have to find another time

[2:56:20] Voice 6: to make that next step, whatever it shall be.

[2:56:22] Voice 6: Sure.

[2:56:23] Voice 6: And that gives

[2:56:23] Voice 6: us the opportunity

[2:56:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): on everything we've heard today, particularly,

[2:56:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): and figure out what we're going to do.

[2:56:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Steve, do you have some remarks?

[2:56:31] Voice 5: No, I concur.

[2:56:32] Voice 5: I mean, I appreciate all the information we've got.

[2:56:35] Voice 5: We've got a ton of stuff I've got to write through.

[2:56:38] Voice 5: I've been going through this material for weeks now, and I need some more time.

[2:56:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:56:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it sounds like what we're saying is we're going to reflect on this, and we're going to have another meeting, and then we're going to debate the merits of the things that occurred.

[2:56:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I'm going to turn to staff now and say, what direction would you like with respect to that?

[2:57:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we

[2:57:01] Voice 10: will need a motion uh to request staff to schedule an online special meeting for these two

[2:57:06] Voice 10: projects and there's a draft of a motion on page on the top of page 33 of the agenda if that just

[2:57:13] Voice 10: speaks the land use bylaw amendments project so you should add the minor ocp project and then if

[2:57:18] Voice 9: that motion passes we should discuss while all of us are here possible dates if we could sure or we

[2:57:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): We can just do that electronically to,

[2:57:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): or you want to nail it down to me.

[2:57:32] Voice 9: I mean,

[2:57:34] Voice 6: I guess the other point is,

[2:57:35] Voice 6: and I think Peter, you said it,

[2:57:37] Voice 6: Mr. Chair, you said it well.

[2:57:38] Voice 6: I mean, I've participated in many,

[2:57:40] Voice 6: many different public hearings over my life,

[2:57:42] Voice 6: but I know that the most important time

[2:57:44] Voice 6: for the community to be involved

[2:57:45] Voice 6: is during the public hearing session.

[2:57:47] Voice 6: That's when we're here to listen.

[2:57:50] Voice 6: And then following the closure of the public hearing

[2:57:52] Voice 6: is a time when we have to synthesize

[2:57:55] Voice 6: debate amongst ourselves and have that discussion so in an ideal world I mean to me the most

[2:58:00] Voice 6: important of the dates or venues or meetings where we were all in the same room was the public

[2:58:05] Voice 6: hearing in an ideal world I would like to think that we could have the the meeting where we where

[2:58:10] Voice 6: we consider all this it would be nice to have it in the same physical space as we are today if that

[2:58:17] Voice 6: works but if it doesn't then I think I feel you know morally and and principally comfortable with

[2:58:25] Voice 6: moving to electronic meeting because that is our time to consider things but but ideally it would

[2:58:30] Voice 6: be nice if we could do one in a venue like this if it could work yeah

[2:58:34] Voice 10: if i may add to that so one

[2:58:36] Voice 10: the rationale for staff to encourage electronic meetings especially in august is

[2:58:41] Voice 9: um lack of staff

[2:58:43] Voice 9: summer months difficulty of scheduling the last minute meeting considering there's many meetings

[2:58:49] Voice 9: in august and also administratively we don't have it we don't have a minute taker right now

[2:58:54] Voice 9: and so robin's nicely stepping in when she can but it's easier for her to join electronically

[2:59:00] Voice 9: rather than in person but it's certainly a decision well

[2:59:06] Voice 6: can you send some dates up to

[2:59:07] Voice 6: us and then we can certainly let the community know as quickly as possible um 12th

[2:59:11] Voice 9: or 19th of

[2:59:12] Voice 9: august would that work for you well i

[2:59:16] Voice 6: mean again with respect this is on that meeting we're not

[2:59:20] Voice 6: entertaining new input from the community this is a meeting where we're we're we're having i mean

[2:59:27] Voice 6: we're going to have to find that in our schedule so i don't mean that disrespectfully shelly but

[2:59:30] Voice 6: you know that's what today's meeting was is for us to be quiet and listen to you and that next

[2:59:34] Voice 6: meeting is for us to get together and consider everything we've heard so whether it's the 12th

[2:59:39] Voice 6: or the 19th if those are the dates i'll find a way to make it work

[2:59:41] Voice 3: september

[2:59:47] Voice 9: is quite busy with

[2:59:48] Voice 9: trust council and also uvcm yeah so there's difficulty with there's at least two weeks

[2:59:55] Voice 9: in september that's going all the ready so and there's a number of other ltc meetings

[3:00:00] Voice 9: So it's difficult to schedule for September.

[3:00:02] Voice 9: The 12th of the

[3:00:03] Voice 6: 19th, so they're both Fridays.

[3:00:04] Voice 6: That's correct, yeah.

[3:00:05] Voice 6: And I certainly can make either one of those for you.

[3:00:07] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:00:08] Voice 9: Steve?

[3:00:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): We'll have to make it work.

[3:00:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[3:00:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Say again?

[3:00:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): We'll have to make it work.

[3:00:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:00:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): So either of those dates work for me as well.

[3:00:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:00:19] Voice 10: Yeah.

[3:00:21] Voice 10: Well, I would just say, there's a regular LTC.

[3:00:25] Voice 10: I

[3:00:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): can't hear you.

[3:00:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm afraid of you.

[3:00:26] Voice 10: It's scheduled on September the 9th anyway.

[3:00:29] Voice 10: Is it in person?

[3:00:30] Voice 10: In person, we

[3:00:32] Voice 6: know we know we're aware of that date.

[3:00:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, we might use that date in conjunction with a discussion about some direction.

[3:00:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): We're not eliminating that September the 9th.

[3:00:46] Voice 10: No, I know. I'm just talking instead of doing it online.

[3:00:51] Voice 10: I'm happy to switch that online over to.

[3:00:55] Voice 7: Sure.

[3:00:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, fair enough. I don't consider that a point of order because this is a discussion of the LTC.

[3:01:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't want to disrespect you,

[3:01:03] Voice 10: but August is

[3:01:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): actually a good time because there are some windows of opportunity because we don't schedule stuff normally in August.

[3:01:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So there's some windows of opportunity to further the conversation while it's in the minds of the LTs from what they've heard.

[3:01:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): because quite

[3:01:19] Voice 3: honestly, I don't want them

[3:01:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): to forget what they've heard, not be going to,

[3:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the risk of more information coming to them in the intervening time gets greater and greater

[3:01:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): as time marches on.

[3:01:29] Voice 6: So we want to respect the approach. And

[3:01:31] Voice 6: I think, Peter, in that respect,

[3:01:33] Voice 6: I agree with both of your points. I think while this information is fresh in our minds,

[3:01:39] Voice 6: and as I say that there's a potential for new information that we cannot receive, I think

[3:01:45] Voice 6: in in that basis it is prudent to move forward with an encounter with a meeting uh on the 12th

[3:01:52] Voice 6: of august like electronic meeting or publicly public public meeting on august the 12th so i

[3:01:58] Voice 9: would make

[3:01:58] Voice 6: that motion and

[3:01:59] Voice 9: we don't have to put the date actually in the motion in case we do

[3:02:02] Voice 9: have to okay

[3:02:03] Voice 6: so we have a discussion on

[3:02:04] Voice 6: the date so could you make a motion i would make a motion

[3:02:06] Voice 6: that we as a next step proceed with a electronic meeting preferably in august the 12th uh to uh

[3:02:14] Voice 6: to consider the next steps coming out of this public meeting.

[3:02:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Move to have a seconder?

[3:02:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Second.

[3:02:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Steve Wright?

[3:02:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Move to have a seconder?

[3:02:22] Voice 10: Oh, yeah.

[3:02:22] Voice 10: Robin's just going to quickly write that down.

[3:02:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's on video.

[3:02:27] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:02:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:02:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): There you go.

[3:02:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the key is we're clear.

[3:02:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): A meeting in August, preferably the 12th, is what we're looking for.

[3:02:38] Voice 9: Electronic meeting for both projects.

[3:02:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Correct.

[3:02:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right?

[3:02:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right?

[3:02:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:02:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'll call for the vote.

[3:02:49] Voice 6: We voted to have a...

[3:02:50] Voice 6: We're going to vote anyway.

[3:02:52] Voice 6: I'm just wondering, is that meeting for the purpose of

[3:02:55] Voice 6: second and third regimes? Well, we can't say second

[3:02:57] Voice 6: or third, because it could maybe not go

[3:02:59] Voice 6: to second or third, or it could go to second.

[3:03:00] Voice 6: It's to consider the next steps

[3:03:02] Voice 6: coming out of the public hearings. Yeah, to

[3:03:04] Voice 6: have a discussion

[3:03:05] Voice 6: about what we've heard

[3:03:07] Voice 6: fuel

[3:03:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): potential amendments.

[3:03:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Correct. Yeah. So, yes,

[3:03:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): if we didn't roll this out... Okay, so all in favor?

[3:03:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): I carry.

[3:03:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you trustees thank you

[3:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): members of the public for understanding i know it's not ideal

[3:03:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's not perfect but what we're talking about

[3:03:22] Voice 12: is having a

[3:03:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): discussion about what we've heard

[3:03:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): to propose amendments or other actions

[3:03:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you steve so uh i have a motion to return although it's been favor i don't believe this

South Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular and Special Meeting (CIM) 
July 23, 2022 ADOPTED Page 1 of 4 
 
 
South Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
July 23, 2022 
Anglican Parish Hall 
4703 Canal Road, RR#1, North Pender Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair   
 Steve Wright, Trustee 
 Cameron Thorn, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Robin Ellchuk, Recorder 
 
There were approximately 50 members of the public present. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 11:03 am.  He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
Chair Luckham gave a summary and explanation of the procedures for the Community 
information Meeting (CIM) and the Public Hearing. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT - NONE 
4. CHAIR'S REPORT - NONE 
5. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Mary Beth Rondo – Asked if the wording has changed for the Bylaw 122 and Bylaw 123 
since the last meeting on June 2, 2022. 
Chair Luckham responded that both bylaw 122 and bylaw 123 wording has not been 
changed since the last meeting on June 2, 2022. 
6. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
6.1 Land Use Bylaw Amendments Project - Proposed Bylaw No. 122 
Planner Stockdill gave an overview of the Bylaw 122. 
A D O P T E D 

 
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July 23, 2022 ADOPTED Page 2 of 4 
 
Gordie Duncan – at the June 17, 2022 CIM it was said that only 11 homes on the Island would 
exceed the maximum floor area and be categorized as legal non-confirming. He asked where 
how the numbers were derived. 
Answer:  This number came from BC Assessment and the CRD mapping system – These reports 
indicated the size of the homes and that 11 homes are greater than 3500 sq ft.   
Christina Peszel – With regards to her building permit:  She has her building permit but hasn’t 
started construction yet as the issues with the DIP are preventing her from bringing in the 
construction equipment and supplies and the DIP issues will not be resolved soon, if the bylaw 
gets passed before construction can start, would she need to reapply for a Building Permit as 
the bylaw has new restrictions.  
Answer:  When you apply for a BP, some land alteration or construction is required for the 
previous regulations to be applicable. 
The CIM was adjourned at 11:27am. 
_________________________ 15 minute break ___________________________________ 
7. PUBLIC HEARING 
7.1 Land Use Bylaw Amendments Project - Proposed Bylaw No. 122 
7.1.1 Recess for Public Hearing 
Adjourned the Public Hearing for Bylaw No. 122 at 1:26pm. 
7.1.2 Recall to Order 
   Recalled to Order at 1:27pm. 
7.2 Minor Official Community Plan Amendments Project - Proposed Bylaw No. 123 
7.2.1 Recess for Public Hearing 
Chair Luckham closed the South Pender Public Hearing for Bylaw No. 123 
to adjournment at 2:11pm. 
7.2.2 Recall to Order 
   Recalled to order at 2:11pm.   
8. MINUTES 
8.1 Adopted Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated May 6, 2022 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of May 6, 2022 were 
adopted as presented. 
8.2 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes Dated June 2, 2022 (for Adoption) 

 
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Regular and Special Meeting (CIM) 
July 23, 2022 ADOPTED Page 3 of 4 
 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of June 2, 2022 were 
adopted as presented. 
8.3 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Dated July 2022  
8.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - None 
9. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
9.1 Follow-up Action List Dated July 2022 
10. DELEGATIONS 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted on the LTC 
webpage 
12. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
13. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
13.1 Land Use Bylaw Amendments Project – Staff Report 
Trustees discussed the option of scheduling a special meeting to provide adequate time to 
review the public hearing submissions. 
SP-2022-037 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the South Pender Local Trust Committee give direction to staff to schedule 
an online special meeting to discuss the next steps for the proposed Bylaw Nos. 
122 and 123. 
      CARRIED 
14. REPORTS 
14.1 Work Program Reports – for information 
14.1.1 Top Priorities Report Dated July 2022 
14.1.2 Projects List Report Dated July 2022 
14.2 Applications Report Dated July 2022 - for information 
14.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated May 2022 – for information 
14.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions - none 
14.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage   
14.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated May 2022 – for information 
15. NEW BUSINESS – None 

 
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16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for September 9, 2022 at the Fire Hall, Pender Island 
17. TOWN HALL - None 
18. CLOSED MEETING  
None 
19. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:21 pm. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
_______________________ 
Certified Correct: 
Robin Ellchuk, Recorder