Islands Trust Regional Planning Committee regular meeting, August 24, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: here and very aware of our responsibilities and our continual learning curve in respects to all

[0:00:10] Trustee Busheikin: of this. So we have an agenda before us. And I think we have a few late things to add.

[0:00:21] Trustee Busheikin: Not necessarily new items, like whole new agenda items, but there were two late things that came in

[0:00:29] Trustee Busheikin: yesterday one was um a report and a recommendation to do with the um uh the RFD around the housing

[0:00:41] Trustee Busheikin: advocacy so um there we go I can see that Robert's got it on the screen so we would add that RFD as

[0:00:49] Trustee Busheikin: item 2.1.1. And we can add also there was the draft letter that I sent out that is connected

[0:01:01] Trustee Busheikin: to the term and review, which is item 8.6. So can I take it by general consent that we will add

[0:01:07] Trustee Busheikin: those? Tim, go ahead.

[0:01:13] Voice 3: Yeah, thanks. I'm just wondering

[0:01:15] Voice 19: if we could shoehorn in a really

[0:01:17] Voice 19: short discussion uh about the public accesses that i could just put a temperature uh and where

[0:01:25] Voice 19: that might go i

[0:01:28] Trustee Busheikin: am yeah and we corresponded about that like i would give it five minutes because i

[0:01:33] Trustee Busheikin: don't think it's pertinent to the business today and i don't think it's gonna be pertinent to work

[0:01:38] Trustee Busheikin: being done between now and the next rpc but um so let's i'm gonna be a little strict with it but

[0:01:44] Trustee Busheikin: but I'm okay to take that, to include that.

[0:01:47] Voice 19: Yeah, even if I could just bring it up quickly

[0:01:50] Voice 19: and then maybe even get feedback

[0:01:51] Voice 19: outside of the meeting would be fine.

[0:01:52] Voice 19: Okay,

[0:01:53] Trustee Busheikin: great, thank you.

[0:01:54] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so we're going to look at all the additional items.

[0:01:57] Trustee Busheikin: So, and then there was one more

[0:01:59] Trustee Busheikin: that I believe Planner Chadwick was bringing forward

[0:02:02] Trustee Busheikin: and Director Chermak, are you going to speak to that?

[0:02:06] Voice 17: Thank you, Madam Chair.

[0:02:07] Voice 17: Yes, so Planner Chadwick asked

[0:02:09] Voice 17: if the RPC would consider putting on their agenda

[0:02:12] Voice 17: an RFD that's going to be coming late she just asked me this morning but it's a pretty

[0:02:19] Voice 17: straightforward ask and it's it's an ask that the Islands Trust receive funding and then funnel it

[0:02:26] Voice 17: over to a group on Galliano and it's an eco mapping indigenous led group for watershed mapping

[0:02:35] Voice 17: and I believe that the Galliano's worked with that group before she was quite excited about it

[0:02:41] Voice 17: and so i wished her good luck and if the rbc is willing to entertain that she will get something

[0:02:46] Voice 17: to you later on in the meeting and she's run off to go get you as much information as possible

[0:02:53] Trustee Busheikin: okay any other items and any concerns with any of those uh okay then um i'll take it by

[0:03:02] Trustee Busheikin: general consent that we will add those items to the agenda um and uh just i will encourage

[0:03:09] Trustee Busheikin: people to use your digital hand but also i don't always see them and some of you are on the phone

[0:03:15] Trustee Busheikin: so please um you know if you have your digital hand up or you can't get it up and i'm not

[0:03:21] Trustee Busheikin: noticing it step in um it's totally legitimate and um you need to be heard and the other thing

[0:03:28] Trustee Busheikin: i just want to let people know and ask your patience is um my printer is broken i usually

[0:03:35] Trustee Busheikin: print out the agenda so I can look at it and I can handwrite additional items at the last minute.

[0:03:41] Trustee Busheikin: And that really is what I generally use to keep on track. And I haven't been able to print.

[0:03:46] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm a little bit, I might be a little fumbly about where I am on the agenda. And so I invite

[0:03:54] Trustee Busheikin: Robert to gently nudge me back on track if I need it and just ask for everyone's patience. Thank you.

[0:04:01] Trustee Patrick: madam chair there's an email from scott colburn saying he's just having connection issues and

[0:04:06] Trustee Patrick: he should have it

[0:04:07] Trustee Busheikin: worked out soon

[0:04:07] Trustee Patrick: so just thank

[0:04:08] Trustee Busheikin: you thank you okay let's hope he gets here

[0:04:12] Trustee Busheikin: all right so um then um we've got our agenda before us and um we can move on to public comment

[0:04:21] Trustee Busheikin: period do we have any members of the public here no

[0:04:27] Voice 15: there are no members of the public present

[0:04:29] Voice 15: Okay,

[0:04:30] Trustee Busheikin: then no public comment, but we can imagine some people may watch this after the fact. So hello, any members of the public out there who are watching this at a later time, and welcome and thanks for taking an interest.

[0:04:45] Trustee Busheikin: So moving on, we have no delegations, no correspondence. The next thing on the agenda is the minutes. So are there any corrections or comments or additions to the minutes as presented?

[0:04:58] Trustee Busheikin: it okay seeing none then uh i will uh declare that by general consent we approve the minutes

[0:05:11] Trustee Busheikin: of may 18th 2022 um wonderful okay next we have we move to 6.33 there's nothing at 6.2 the follow-up

[0:05:25] Trustee Busheikin: action list and i'm going to invite staff first to make any additional comments about this

[0:05:35] Trustee Busheikin: if there are any uh

[0:05:38] Voice 17: thank you madam chair i suppose that's my responsibility now but

[0:05:41] Voice 17: considering this is what day six or seven um i have very little to add to that but i know that

[0:05:47] Voice 17: uh director marler is looming somewhere is he i don't actually see him in my my camera

[0:05:54] Voice 17: but he did say he was going to tune in and be able to add more information but i suppose that's not

[0:05:58] Voice 17: happening but i see planner chadwick and i believe she could probably add some further comment to

[0:06:02] Voice 17: some of the things that her and perhaps william were working on

[0:06:05] Trustee Busheikin: wonderful that would be great

[0:06:08] Trustee Busheikin: so go ahead thank

[0:06:11] Voice 12: you yeah i just wanted to uh i can speak to the um uh the freshwater

[0:06:16] Voice 12: sustainability strategy implementation plan um and i mean essentially we've been um

[0:06:23] Voice 12: um we've been waiting for our new director um to move forward on that because it is going to be

[0:06:29] Voice 12: And I've talked to Claire about this as well. It's going to be it's going to require sort of a very sort of broad look at a number of the things that we're doing in the trust and how a variety of the pieces fit together.

[0:06:46] Voice 12: So that's why it's a bit delayed, but, you know, but we will be moving forward.

[0:06:52] Voice 12: Now we've got Stefan with us.

[0:06:56] Voice 12: So just wanted to kind of give an update on why we haven't moved forward on that yet.

[0:07:03] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. Thank you. Any comments or questions on that?

[0:07:07] Trustee Busheikin: I'll just comment that I'm, you know, glad to hear the report.

[0:07:11] Trustee Busheikin: and I can understand the importance

[0:07:14] Trustee Busheikin: of doing a really good job on it.

[0:07:17] Trustee Busheikin: It's not a quick thing and it's really important.

[0:07:21] Trustee Busheikin: So thanks.

[0:07:24] Trustee Busheikin: Any comments, questions, suggestions from trustees?

[0:07:32] Trustee Busheikin: Not seeing any, I have a few.

[0:07:38] Trustee Busheikin: The very first one on November 9th, 2020.

[0:07:45] Trustee Busheikin: This has been here for a long time

[0:07:47] Trustee Busheikin: And there have been various reports back

[0:07:49] Trustee Busheikin: that we've heard reports about what TPC is doing,

[0:07:54] Trustee Busheikin: but I'm feeling this is obsolete.

[0:07:57] Trustee Busheikin: I just like to keep these lists tidy.

[0:08:00] Trustee Busheikin: And I note that in the proposed policy,

[0:08:04] Trustee Busheikin: I believe that we think should be on the follow-up action

[0:08:08] Trustee Busheikin: report for three months and then be removed.

[0:08:13] Trustee Busheikin: So does anyone have any concerns about just removing this?

[0:08:18] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thanks. So I think we don't need a motion for that. I believe it just gets removed.

[0:08:24] Trustee Busheikin: And then I just also wanted to comment, moving up to February 9th, there's the number three

[0:08:37] Trustee Busheikin: and four. You know what, let's leave those there because I'm thinking those may be removed or

[0:08:45] Trustee Busheikin: change but we'll see what happens after we deal with that issue um and the other thing um onto

[0:08:52] Trustee Busheikin: the next page 18th of may um i will um i with apologies i will um admit that i have not done

[0:09:04] Trustee Busheikin: number three uh reply to the correspondent um it just slipped my mind um and um or it didn't even

[0:09:13] Trustee Busheikin: slip my mind it just didn't happen um and i will do that and i'm making myself a note um

[0:09:22] Trustee Busheikin: and maybe i could find out a little bit how the discussion at tpc went about that um that issue

[0:09:29] Trustee Busheikin: and report on that also uh okay those are my comments nothing else okay go ahead jane uh yes

[0:09:39] Voice 5: Yes, I just wanted to ask Planner Chadwick whether the eight-minute video, which is number six on May 22nd, May 2022nd, is available, because I don't think I have seen a link to it.

[0:09:53] Voice 12: Yeah, so we have, we still have a little bit of cleanup on the audio to do.

[0:10:02] Voice 12: So we, yeah, so we're still working on that and, you know, with the summer and everything, it's been more difficult to get at.

[0:10:10] Voice 12: But hoping that we will, you know, within the coming months have that cleaned up and ready to go. And, you know, that'll include, you know, a little bit of, well, definitely a message out to trustees and we're also working on a plan for further communications with respect to that.

[0:10:29] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Yeah, go ahead.

[0:10:32] Voice 5: Yeah, I just wanted to recommend to people a series of small short videos that were done

[0:10:41] Voice 5: here on Galliano regarding, it's a project called The Water We Call Home, and it was

[0:10:50] Voice 5: including a number of the matriarchs in the trust area who came together to talk about

[0:10:57] Voice 5: about how to reconnect after the connections

[0:11:01] Voice 5: have been broken through for a number of reasons,

[0:11:07] Voice 5: the residential schools, but also the lack of fish

[0:11:11] Voice 5: and how fishing played such an important part

[0:11:14] Voice 5: of connecting among the community.

[0:11:16] Voice 5: So I would just recommend that it's,

[0:11:19] Voice 5: I think you can find it online

[0:11:22] Voice 5: and there are a number of short videos.

[0:11:24] Voice 5: Thank

[0:11:26] Trustee Busheikin: you. I've made a note. That sounds really great. And something to share. Thank you. Okay, so the next item on the agenda is the strategic plan and budget for next fiscal.

[0:11:43] Trustee Busheikin: goal um and this is um yeah and i i just want to flag that this is something we're not you know

[0:11:52] Trustee Busheikin: not having continuity having a change in our director can can make it challenging and i don't

[0:11:57] Trustee Busheikin: want to put stefan on the spot uh too much here um and i think we you know we need to um be patient

[0:12:05] Trustee Busheikin: with the process but it is it is time to start thinking about a budget request for the next

[0:12:10] Trustee Busheikin: fiscal year. And I am going to turn it over to Stephan to share what you can after your first

[0:12:17] Trustee Busheikin: six days of work. Oh, hi. Hi. Gosh, are you still Director of

[0:12:24] Trustee Busheikin: Legislative Services, Marlar? Is that

[0:12:28] Trustee Busheikin: the correct title?

[0:12:29] Voice 1: Yeah, Director of Legislative Services. That's just supporting Stephan in this

[0:12:33] Voice 1: meeting as a handover. If I may, through the chair, first of all, my apologies for coming in

[0:12:39] Voice 1: late i was having some technical difficulties i missed the very beginning of the meeting

[0:12:44] Voice 1: but i've been here for the past five minutes um so if i may uh stefan unless you prefer otherwise

[0:12:50] Voice 1: i could just maybe do a quick verbal on uh budget and strategic plan okay thank you so i did go

[0:12:59] Voice 1: through the strategic plan before this meeting to have a look is there anything in there that

[0:13:05] Voice 1: the Regional Planning Committee should be considering for the next fiscal year and in a way

[0:13:10] Voice 1: the good news is that there isn't. All the strategic plan items essentially have either

[0:13:16] Voice 1: been dealt with or they're underway this year. So there isn't anything in the strategic plan that

[0:13:24] Voice 1: says you should be asking for a specific project for funding for the next fiscal. There are a couple

[0:13:33] Voice 1: provisos to that. The first one is that the heritage mapping, I'm not convinced we're going

[0:13:38] Voice 1: to be able to get that finished this year for a variety of reasons. And that may be a recommendation

[0:13:46] Voice 1: to the Regional Planning Committee to advise FPCs like to carry that over. And in other words,

[0:13:52] Voice 1: we would then rebudget for next year. So take the money from this year, put it into surplus and take

[0:13:58] Voice 1: it out for next year essentially to get the work done. I think we do need to do it for sure

[0:14:04] Voice 1: but I just don't see that we can do it this fiscal. The other project that hasn't started

[0:14:12] Voice 1: yet was the housing forum and Nerissa's here so maybe she could comment on that whether she feels

[0:14:18] Voice 1: that that is something that's doable before the end of this fiscal or whether that would get rolled

[0:14:23] Voice 1: over as well. So really it would be it would come down to items that we didn't get finished this

[0:14:28] Voice 1: year that would roll up in next year. The fresh water work is underway and Narissa and William

[0:14:35] Voice 1: can probably provide a lot more information than I can on that and whether or not they feel any of

[0:14:42] Voice 1: that might get a portion of that might get rolled over to next year if it's not possible to get all

[0:14:49] Voice 1: the deliverables this fiscal so there is a request in um the freshwater specialist did put in a um

[0:14:58] Voice 1: request for a co-op to but this is not strategic plan this is to do with the fresh water strategy

[0:15:05] Voice 1: and the implementation of that so this is a request for i think it's eighteen thousand

[0:15:11] Voice 1: dollars for a co-op that will do a lot of the um preparatory work to advance the fresh water

[0:15:18] Voice 1: a strategy. That might not be a bad link over into the next term to have that as a request.

[0:15:25] Voice 1: The other thing you may want to consider is just providing a bit of space for the incoming

[0:15:32] Voice 1: Regional Planning Committee to get started on something that could be on a new strategic plan

[0:15:40] Voice 1: or a priority that came out through the election or something like that. So you could advise the

[0:15:48] Voice 1: FPC that you would like a placeholder of twenty twenty five thousand dollars um you haven't

[0:15:56] Voice 1: assigned that to anything yet you would just like to have a space for that and then when the next

[0:16:02] Voice 1: regional planning committee comes in after the election they could have a look at the budget

[0:16:08] Voice 1: and they could decide whether or not they want to assign something specific around that 25 000

[0:16:12] Voice 1: or just advise FPC that we don't need that $25,000.

[0:16:17] Voice 1: So that would be kind of all I would do at the moment.

[0:16:21] Voice 1: So I'll just leave that with you and back to the chair.

[0:16:25] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:16:27] Voice 7: I think before I take questions,

[0:16:29] Voice 7: I just would like to ask

[0:16:30] Trustee Busheikin: planner Chadwick

[0:16:31] Trustee Busheikin: if there's anything else to do with the freshwater,

[0:16:36] Trustee Busheikin: all the freshwater work that you're aware of

[0:16:38] Trustee Busheikin: that might also need to be considered.

[0:16:40] Trustee Busheikin: um

[0:16:44] Voice 12: well i think um i mean one of the things that um um you know that like moving forward that we

[0:16:51] Voice 12: need to think about is uh is communications um and that you know we we have developed a little

[0:16:59] Voice 12: bit of a communications um strategy um i mean we're currently challenged because we we don't

[0:17:07] Voice 12: we don't have anybody in our communications um uh staff position so um i mean the project could

[0:17:14] Voice 12: definitely benefit from um from uh funding for um for communications um so that we can

[0:17:24] Voice 12: you know it is it's it's it's a lot of information um you know we've just um had a great experience

[0:17:31] Voice 12: with Galeano doing a CIM and being able to actually,

[0:17:36] Voice 12: you know, physically be there and speak to people.

[0:17:39] Voice 12: And it would be, you know, it'd be great

[0:17:41] Voice 12: to develop a few communications projects

[0:17:43] Voice 12: that do present the information

[0:17:45] Voice 12: in a sort of easy to consume way.

[0:17:52] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, thank you.

[0:17:53] Trustee Busheikin: And with that, sorry, Christy, I see your hand up.

[0:17:57] Trustee Busheikin: um and um is it okay if i just ask uh nervous a question on this specifically yes uh thank you um

[0:18:06] Trustee Busheikin: would that include the state of the freshwater report like where is that concept that we i think

[0:18:13] Trustee Busheikin: it was um a budget request that did not make it into the budget so when you say communications

[0:18:19] Trustee Busheikin: would that include that state of the freshwater reporters that living somewhere else it could

[0:18:23] Voice 12: there could be different layers um definitely so you know we've we've based on our experience uh

[0:18:29] Voice 12: last year um we were sort of a little bit um more timid i guess with our our requests this year um

[0:18:37] Voice 12: so this is why we've put out the the request for the co-op student because that is a very

[0:18:43] Voice 12: significant um that would provide a very significant support to get to towards uh having

[0:18:50] Voice 12: that state of the freshwater report because that position is really about helping us bring all that

[0:18:57] Voice 12: that information together develop those those groundwater profiles for each island ultimately

[0:19:06] Voice 12: identifying you know where we're at so that would be that's a significant portion I mean if we were

[0:19:12] Voice 12: able to get a little bit of additional funding we would be able to we would be able to have a

[0:19:18] Voice 12: sort of like a much more um uh um like uh accessible again it all comes back to to being

[0:19:27] Voice 12: able to to get that information out to the public in a way that's uh that's accessible thank you

[0:19:34] Trustee Busheikin: now we'll turn it over to actually

[0:19:37] Trustee Patrick: i was going to make a suggestion to to simplify i think a lot of

[0:19:42] Trustee Patrick: the discussion points that we're going to be having in today's meeting like setting priorities some of

[0:19:46] Trustee Patrick: of the potential First Nations, the housing,

[0:19:48] Trustee Patrick: that there could be budget implications as a result of it.

[0:19:51] Trustee Patrick: So that maybe we should just revisit this item

[0:19:53] Trustee Patrick: toward the end of the meeting to see if something develops.

[0:20:03] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I'm thinking about that in terms of efficiency

[0:20:06] Trustee Busheikin: and in terms of the tiredness

[0:20:10] Trustee Busheikin: that can happen at the end of meetings.

[0:20:17] Trustee Busheikin: Like, can we, and this is a sort of a technical question,

[0:20:21] Trustee Busheikin: can we create a draft motion around this and then just revisit it so that we're not do you know

[0:20:30] Trustee Busheikin: what i mean we're not um just starting from scratch again at the end of the meeting so

[0:20:35] Trustee Busheikin: because i can see that um we can put some things together and have a placeholder and then we add

[0:20:41] Trustee Busheikin: something or change something not sure where to go with this um i mean i like to get things done

[0:20:51] Trustee Busheikin: on the agenda and ticked off and not leave them hanging. Does anyone else have any thoughts on

[0:20:58] Trustee Busheikin: this? No, no one does. Okay. I'm going to suggest that we go ahead and agree on a budget request

[0:21:11] Trustee Busheikin: right now and we can revisit it. And this is also just the beginning. I mean, this is the August,

[0:21:19] Trustee Busheikin: it's the beginning of the budgeting process so um in my experience over the the months of budgeting

[0:21:24] Trustee Busheikin: things do change but you've got to get at least those those core things and placeholders in

[0:21:29] Trustee Busheikin: um so um so i'm well i'm going to invite uh i would think we would need a um a motion for this

[0:21:40] Trustee Busheikin: and just so back to this uh communications in the freshwater um if we were going to add something

[0:21:47] Trustee Busheikin: thing for communications uh narissa would that be uh ten thousand dollars for a consultant or what

[0:21:55] Trustee Busheikin: like would it be something for printing and design costs or and i know it's hard to just

[0:22:01] Trustee Busheikin: pull numbers out of a hat but um any ideas what that would be as a budget item yeah

[0:22:06] Voice 12: so i mean i

[0:22:07] Voice 12: think if if we were thinking about how to do this in the very best way possible so taking the

[0:22:15] Voice 12: the scientific information, being able to have a communication specialist work that into language

[0:22:21] Voice 12: that's successful, and then being able to have, you know, a very clean product to share, we'd be

[0:22:29] Voice 12: probably looking at about $30,000. That would be for like, you know, that would be kind of our

[0:22:35] Voice 12: ultimate process. So, you know, sort of thinking about that as a as kind of like the us being able

[0:22:44] Voice 12: to do our best the best job on this um i mean as soon as you start to move down from there then

[0:22:49] Voice 12: you're looking at um you know having to um to skimp at some point in that process so we may

[0:22:57] Voice 12: not be able to for example we would have to prioritize around um you know whether we'd have

[0:23:02] Voice 12: be able to have a communication specialist do the actual um develop the language and you know if we

[0:23:10] Voice 12: we can actually bring in an illustrator, for example, or whether we'd be using staff time for

[0:23:15] Voice 12: that. And that's what also has to be considered and allocated. And then also, ultimately, like,

[0:23:21] Voice 12: you know, there's the graphic design portion of it, which, which is usually, you know,

[0:23:26] Voice 12: my experience is usually about, about $10,000 to get, you know, really

[0:23:33] Voice 12: a clean product.

[0:23:35] Voice 12: Mm

[0:23:37] Voice 7: -hmm. Okay.

[0:23:43] Trustee Busheikin: Stefan, go ahead.

[0:23:46] Voice 17: Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll remind the Chair that you do have a business other. You have,

[0:23:54] Voice 17: where did it go now? I'm looking at a number, temporary freshwater RFD. So item 8.3 on your

[0:24:02] Voice 17: agenda does have recommended wording for making a resolution for the $18,000 that was talked about

[0:24:10] Voice 17: that would support the freshwater specialist so you may not need to make that in a resolution

[0:24:14] Voice 17: at this moment and so if I heard Director Marder correctly the one that would only leave according

[0:24:23] Voice 17: to your follow-up action list and strategic priorities would be the rolling over I guess

[0:24:30] Voice 17: what's the right word carrying over of the heritage overlay mapping budget so I believe

[0:24:36] Voice 17: those are the two items i heard was that one rfd which is item 8.3 in your agenda

[0:24:40] Voice 17: and then the other one would be baking an assumption into the the budget that we whatever

[0:24:47] Voice 17: is not spent from this fiscal is carried over and then now that that discussion you want to have for

[0:24:53] Voice 17: extra items is as planner chadwick has laid out for the 30 000 so and and i suspect as trustee

[0:25:00] Voice 17: patrick said there will be other items that comes out and then when we report that out we can just

[0:25:04] Voice 17: lump that together so don't be too afraid that if you pass a recommendation we can't

[0:25:10] Voice 17: collate them later and and assemble that for you

[0:25:12] Trustee Busheikin: perfect that's that that really helps um thank you

[0:25:16] Trustee Busheikin: uh director marler please i can't hear you okay

[0:25:24] Voice 1: there you can thank you i was just going to say

[0:25:26] Voice 1: with respect to the heritage mapping you don't need to do anything today with respect to that

[0:25:32] Voice 1: just letting you know may have to roll it over but we'll obviously come to a future RPC meeting

[0:25:38] Voice 1: probably in the new year you know once we know for sure that we can't do it so just let you know

[0:25:45] Voice 1: that okay so I think the focus here is 8.3 I guess it is which is the co-op and whether or not you

[0:25:54] Voice 1: want any additional um budget requests to support something such as um what planner chadwick was um

[0:26:02] Voice 1: referencing there

[0:26:03] Trustee Busheikin: okay why don't we talk about that when we get to 8.3 then um and that simplifies

[0:26:09] Trustee Busheikin: it and then if we also want to have a i mean i think the placeholder uh is a really good idea

[0:26:16] Trustee Busheikin: I don't know if we need a motion now around that or probably we do.

[0:26:24] Voice 1: Yeah, if you would like to advise FPC that you would like to have a placeholder for the incoming RPC to consider, you can, a resolution to that effect.

[0:26:35] Voice 1: And then we would just take that to the next FPC where they're considering their, you know, sorry, the October FPC meeting when they start to consider the budget's request from committees.

[0:26:45] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:26:47] Trustee Busheikin: Is anyone interested in making a motion to that effect? And then, as we heard from staff, if other things come up through the meeting, they can be collated into one big, or not big, one reasonably sized request. Anyone, if, you know, I support the idea of a placeholder, but I'd like a motion to come from the floor. Thanks. Trustee Peterson, go ahead.

[0:27:12] Trustee Busheikin: head yeah

[0:27:14] Voice 19: i move that rpc uh uh put in a request to fpc for 25 000 for a placeholder for the

[0:27:24] Voice 19: incoming rpc secular

[0:27:28] Trustee Busheikin: anyone want to second that is

[0:27:37] Trustee Patrick: if jane is

[0:27:38] Trustee Patrick: waving frantically okay

[0:27:40] Trustee Busheikin: oh really

[0:27:41] Trustee Busheikin: i don't see jane waving frantically that okay um thank you it's seconded it doesn't matter by who

[0:27:47] Trustee Busheikin: who I see, Trustee Stanford.

[0:27:49] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I am going to, well, any discussion on that?

[0:27:53] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Patrick.

[0:27:54] Trustee Busheikin: It's always me.

[0:27:58] Trustee Busheikin: I

[0:27:58] Trustee Patrick: mean, the only problem I have with placeholders,

[0:28:02] Trustee Patrick: you know, like a $25,000 placeholder is,

[0:28:06] Trustee Patrick: you know, depending on what it is that we need to discuss

[0:28:08] Trustee Patrick: and what we need to fund, that could be grossly too small

[0:28:12] Trustee Patrick: or it could be too big.

[0:28:14] Trustee Patrick: And so that's the only thing I'm, you know,

[0:28:17] Trustee Patrick: that i worry about with a with a placeholder because some of the projects i'm hoping that

[0:28:21] Trustee Patrick: we'll talk about throughout this meeting i think are going to be significantly more than that

[0:28:25] Trustee Patrick: potentially to to really get into the issue and solve it um so that that's my concern is

[0:28:31] Trustee Patrick: with a placeholder at this point maybe

[0:28:38] Voice 3: we can defer

[0:28:39] Trustee Patrick: this motion to the end of the meeting

[0:28:41] Trustee Patrick: okay let's defer the motion to the end of the meeting do i need to put a do you want that to

[0:28:47] Trustee Patrick: to be a motion or can we just do that through general consent I

[0:28:52] Trustee Busheikin: think we can do it through

[0:28:53] Trustee Busheikin: general consent but I'm not the expert on that although I am the chair I

[0:28:58] Voice 1: would sorry you could

[0:28:59] Voice 1: just table it to the end of the meeting okay

[0:29:02] Trustee Busheikin: but do we need a motion for that yeah okay I move that

[0:29:07] Trustee Patrick: we table this motion and I don't think the table we need to say when it comes up again but no you

[0:29:16] Voice 1: You don't, you just need to remember when to do that.

[0:29:19] Trustee Busheikin: And I think Chesky-Wolverton was seconding that.

[0:29:22] Trustee Busheikin: Is that, yeah, okay.

[0:29:23] Trustee Busheikin: Any further discussion on tabling?

[0:29:25] Voice 1: There's usually no debate on tabling.

[0:29:27] Voice 1: Okay, no debate.

[0:29:28] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, let's vote on that.

[0:29:30] Trustee Busheikin: So please use your electronic hands.

[0:29:33] Trustee Busheikin: I've got that box open now.

[0:29:35] Trustee Busheikin: It kept slipping away.

[0:29:38] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I see seven hands in favor.

[0:29:43] Trustee Busheikin: Eight, this is my hand.

[0:29:45] Trustee Busheikin: And you can put your hands back down.

[0:29:47] Trustee Busheikin: and just for formality's sake, I'll say anyone opposed?

[0:29:51] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, that motion carries.

[0:29:52] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:29:53] Trustee Busheikin: So we will need to return to that

[0:29:55] Trustee Busheikin: and we'll have a much bigger picture of what we think.

[0:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: the future ideally should hold good thank you so actually the next thing is in a way we have

[0:30:07] Trustee Busheikin: talked about this a bit but let's get into it a little more as the heritage conservation overlay

[0:30:13] Trustee Busheikin: mapping uh there is a verbal update and uh either director marler or director termak i would think

[0:30:22] Trustee Busheikin: would provide that so go ahead yeah

[0:30:24] Voice 1: if uh the director is okay i can take the lead just check

[0:30:28] Voice 1: with yeah okay thank you um not much more to say on this so the the heritage overlay conservation

[0:30:36] Voice 1: overlay mapping started last fiscal uh where we uh contracted within will attach a company out of

[0:30:43] Voice 1: north vancouver um mostly archaeologist i think uh and they did a lot of uh work uh with our

[0:30:52] Voice 1: as a senior intergovernmental policy advisor to get you know to start to gather information about

[0:31:01] Voice 1: what's happening on the islands with respect to first nations sacred cultural and heritage areas

[0:31:09] Voice 1: so the intent here was to go beyond what we know from the remote access to archaeological data

[0:31:16] Voice 1: and identify areas that are outside that they're not actually in the what we call the rad

[0:31:20] Voice 1: um but they could still be culturally significant and um uh always sacred to the nation so that work

[0:31:30] Voice 1: was done generally and um the intent here was through a process the next step would be to work

[0:31:39] Voice 1: with individual nations to go through some of this initial data start to build that relationship and

[0:31:47] Voice 1: and the confidence around it, and make sure that it's correct, and also to make sure that how we're

[0:31:55] Voice 1: going to use it is appropriate. Because the end result, which is years away, would be for local

[0:32:01] Voice 1: trust committees to be able to use that data to establish heritage conservation areas that are

[0:32:08] Voice 1: overlays, and that would then protect those cultural features at the time of development,

[0:32:14] Voice 1: Kind of like a development permit, but it's for culturally sensitive areas, not developmental or environmental reasons.

[0:32:24] Voice 1: Now, with the departure of senior intergovernmental policy advisor and we have not yet completely refilled that position.

[0:32:33] Voice 1: So this project has been on hold until we can get our resources back up to where we need them.

[0:32:40] Voice 1: And then we can get back out and work with the consultants on going to the next level.

[0:32:49] Voice 1: So whether or not we're able to start and finish that this fiscal, I don't know.

[0:32:54] Voice 1: So that's why I'm just saying that there's a potential that this project could either fully or partially cross over into the next fiscal year.

[0:33:03] Voice 1: So that's really all I have on it.

[0:33:05] Voice 1: I don't have anything else to say on that.

[0:33:09] Voice 1: answer back to the chair thank

[0:33:11] Trustee Busheikin: you uh and thanks for that briefing any questions or comments right

[0:33:17] Trustee Busheikin: now from the committee members okay not seeing or hearing any oh okay go ahead uh trustee colburn

[0:33:28] Trustee Busheikin: um i saw your

[0:33:37] Trustee Busheikin: hand up oh hello hi

[0:33:39] Voice 16: there sorry i'm

[0:33:40] Trustee Busheikin: having a few connection issues

[0:33:41] Voice 16: i just wanted to

[0:33:42] Voice 16: check when we talk about the um the heritage is it always first nations or is there a component

[0:33:48] Voice 16: of this, which is settler communities or sort of historic locations? Because there's some

[0:33:55] Voice 16: confusion.

[0:33:56] Voice 1: Yeah, that's a good point. So the intent of this project is First Nations, cultural, sacred and

[0:34:02] Voice 1: archaeological sites, because those have never been considered before. We've never

[0:34:09] Voice 1: looked at that in any of our projects. Some local trust committees have looked at settler heritage

[0:34:15] Voice 1: heritage, and some have heritage conservation areas for that, like Salt Spring does in the

[0:34:20] Voice 1: Ganges Village area, but we don't have any for First Nations. So this was an effort to

[0:34:27] Voice 1: work with First Nations to look at ways that we can use our legislation to help them protect

[0:34:33] Voice 1: their cultural heritage and sacred sites.

[0:34:39] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. I'll just comment that this is, when I hear about this, it really sounds like

[0:34:46] Trustee Busheikin: like a game-changing um development and i can see that it would take years and there's a lot

[0:34:55] Trustee Busheikin: of sensitivities but a lot of power to what well actually engaging in the process building the

[0:35:03] Trustee Busheikin: relationships and getting that information and putting it to use so i certainly hope we can get

[0:35:08] Trustee Busheikin: that position filled and um and and move on with this and um uh keep prioritizing it even though

[0:35:17] Trustee Busheikin: it is a likely to take a while to to reach you know some kind of clear result i see two other

[0:35:25] Trustee Busheikin: hands uh trustee stamford go ahead yeah

[0:35:29] Trustee Stamford: i think it was somewhat along the same lines of what you

[0:35:31] Trustee Stamford: just mentioned uh that how do we make this a priority for the next uh council coming in like

[0:35:39] Trustee Stamford: how do we get across communicate you know the the effort to to maintain this is a is a priority and

[0:35:48] Trustee Stamford: how important it is i i just don't want to see this shuffled off um so i was really hoping

[0:35:55] Trustee Stamford: that there was something to produce for the next council and they would recognize its importance

[0:36:03] Voice 1: But I could respond to the chair, please. Yeah,

[0:36:06] Voice 1: a couple of options I think one is if the chair is doing a letter to the next RPC that could be highlighted in that letter as importance in the background to it as one.

[0:36:19] Voice 1: Second is the regional planning committee could recommend to Trust Council or the incoming Trust Council that this project be on the strategic plan as a priority.

[0:36:32] Voice 1: because it's part of the reconciliation those are two areas i can think about that you could

[0:36:36] Voice 1: have some influence thank

[0:36:39] Trustee Busheikin: you trustee wolverton and then uh trustee luckham

[0:36:44] Voice 5: yeah i was just going to say that with the um the changing weather patterns um

[0:36:51] Voice 5: we're we're dealing with a lot more shore erosion and um you know where where things are being

[0:36:58] Voice 5: being exposed and also the the king tides and the low tides are also exposing things so it's

[0:37:05] Voice 5: pretty critical that that this work get done sooner than later that's all thank

[0:37:10] Trustee Busheikin: you uh peter

[0:37:15] Trustee Busheikin: lockham go ahead you're still leaving

[0:37:23] Voice 20: yeah i

[0:37:24] Trustee Luckham: was hoping jane wolverton would go before me as a full

[0:37:28] Trustee Luckham: member of the committee i'll follow up her but her hand i see is down oh

[0:37:32] Trustee Busheikin: no jane just spoke

[0:37:33] Trustee Busheikin: Oh,

[0:37:35] Trustee Luckham: I didn't recognize the voice. That's interesting. Okay, fantastic. I don't want

[0:37:43] Trustee Luckham: to muddy the waters at all here, except that this work is incredibly valuable, and indeed,

[0:37:51] Trustee Luckham: a future council needs to support this work in order to inform LTCs. But as time goes on,

[0:37:59] Trustee Luckham: and as we walk down this road of understanding reconciliation and recognizing First Nations

[0:38:05] Trustee Luckham: interests throughout the trust area, this is actually a fairly narrow lens, it kind of turns

[0:38:11] Trustee Luckham: out, because indeed it's very specific about the things that we should be mapping. But tied in with

[0:38:16] Trustee Luckham: this, of course, is as we learn, the interests of nations are much broader than just those cultural

[0:38:24] Trustee Luckham: sites and just archaeological sites, they have a significant interest in the environmental

[0:38:29] Trustee Luckham: and water and all of the other impacts as an outcome of land use planning and subdivision.

[0:38:40] Trustee Luckham: And so, you know, the map actually is the entire trust area, every square inch. However,

[0:38:46] Trustee Luckham: there are important places that need to be looked at. But indeed, an incoming council

[0:38:52] Trustee Luckham: is going to have to also grapple with that much broader question, where as we're engaging nations, and indeed nations are expecting us to live up to our resolutions and our commitments to reconciliation and our action plan,

[0:39:08] Trustee Luckham: there's a much broader conversation that also includes historical mapping of traditional uses

[0:39:18] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to maybe say but even that becomes is also fairly narrow so I just want to share that

[0:39:25] Trustee Luckham: with you as a thought in the moment. Thank

[0:39:29] Trustee Busheikin: you and there is an item on the agenda later that

[0:39:33] Trustee Busheikin: that Trustee Patrick for the agenda that probably will tie into everything you just said, which

[0:39:41] Trustee Busheikin: yeah, is really crucial and really big too. So thank you.

[0:39:49] Trustee Luckham: Right. So thank

[0:39:50] Trustee Luckham: you. I came in late, so I wasn't aware of

[0:39:53] Trustee Luckham: that, although I did know that Trustee

[0:39:54] Trustee Luckham: Patrick had an interest, so I'm glad

[0:39:56] Trustee Luckham: to hear that. Thank you.

[0:39:57] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah. And welcome. I did see you come

[0:39:59] Trustee Busheikin: in late um okay any other comment or question on this and i'm if someone wants to put a motion

[0:40:06] Trustee Busheikin: uh on the floor to recommend to make a recommendation to trust council about having

[0:40:13] Trustee Busheikin: this on the strategic plan as a priority go ahead you know i'm assuming that some of us will be

[0:40:21] Trustee Busheikin: on council next term and can bring this up but a recommendation from an outgoing committee has some

[0:40:26] Trustee Busheikin: power okay not seeing anyone wanting to do that at this time uh so we'll just leave that here

[0:40:34] Trustee Busheikin: as i think i understood just to clarify if we would like to uh ensure that this carries over

[0:40:42] Trustee Busheikin: as a budget item and therefore becomes an item in next fiscal's budget do we need a motion at

[0:40:48] Trustee Busheikin: this point or shall i guess we do that at the end when we look at the budget thank

[0:40:53] Voice 1: you do it later

[0:40:54] Voice 1: Okay,

[0:40:55] Trustee Busheikin: thanks. So everything done? Any other comments, questions, information? Okay, let's move on 7.3. Freshwater Strategy Frequently Asked Questions document. I'm not sure if this was something, I think it was something maybe we asked for and that it would be either for the public or for trustees or for planners.

[0:41:20] Trustee Busheikin: I actually am not sure. And perhaps if Planner Chadwick is still on the call, you might know, or can someone speak to this?

[0:41:30] Voice 1: I just, yeah, Planner Chadwick is here. So I think he could probably speak to this. Just looking at.

[0:41:37] Voice 12: Yeah, and I believe William is also here.

[0:41:44] Voice 12: So William's been working on putting together this Frequently Asked Questions document.

[0:41:50] Voice 12: And I mean, one of the key purposes is that we are consistently being asked questions by the public, and it takes a lot of staff time to be able to respond and to have some of those questions posted on a website and be able to direct public.

[0:42:18] Voice 12: So it's really, I mean, it'll be useful for trustees, but it's a lot to do with responding to public.

[0:42:23] Voice 12: I think I'll let William chime in a little bit because he's been the one that's been putting the document together.

[0:42:31] Voice 12: I'm not quite sure if he's with us. I see he's on the call, but.

[0:42:35] Voice 12: Yeah,

[0:42:36] Voice 8: I see he's on the call.

[0:42:39] Trustee Busheikin: William, are you?

[0:42:41] Trustee Busheikin: There he is. Yeah.

[0:42:43] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. Wonderful. Go ahead.

[0:42:45] Trustee Busheikin: uh

[0:42:47] Voice 13: yeah so through the chair um we have um been

[0:42:53] Voice 2: asked um we've been been fielding many inquiries

[0:42:58] Voice 2: since the freshwater sustainability strategy was um being funded and then following its release and

[0:43:07] Voice 2: and in addition to some of the implementation projects and the groundwater sustainability

[0:43:14] Voice 2: ability science program projects that have been ongoing. And so, I guess my initial request was

[0:43:25] Voice 2: to management, but it's here for discussion. So, I guess I'll look to the RPC for direction here.

[0:43:35] Voice 2: here if they wish to review the questions

[0:43:40] Voice 2: that are being considered by staff

[0:43:44] Voice 2: and review those answers before they go public,

[0:43:48] Voice 2: or if there's direction just to handle this via staff

[0:43:54] Voice 2: and place the frequently asked questions on the website.

[0:43:59] Committee

[0:44:02] Trustee Busheikin: members, what are your thoughts on this?

[0:44:09] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead, Trustee Patrick, then stand for them.

[0:44:12] Trustee Busheikin: and Wolverton?

[0:44:14] Trustee Patrick: I think frequently asked questions and answers are important for almost many of our

[0:44:19] Trustee Patrick: programs here, but I think it's very, you know, we have to make sure it's written in plain English

[0:44:24] Trustee Patrick: and, you know, de-science-ized so that people can understand, you know, what it is. And I think it

[0:44:32] Trustee Patrick: would be beneficial for committee members to see the questions and answers before they go up.

[0:44:38] Trustee Patrick: and once they're up that we make all trustees aware of the information that's there because

[0:44:45] Trustee Patrick: that you know it's those also serve as speaking points as we receive questions in our day-to-day

[0:44:51] Trustee Patrick: lives with the community thank

[0:44:54] Trustee Busheikin: you trustee stamford yes

[0:44:58] Trustee Stamford: i would like to see the questions

[0:45:00] Trustee Stamford: but i don't need to see them before they go up um i would just like to see a link the that hey

[0:45:06] Trustee Stamford: hey, this is happening as a reminder.

[0:45:09] Trustee Stamford: And yes, I really like the idea

[0:45:11] Trustee Stamford: that it goes to all trustees.

[0:45:14] Trustee Stamford: Thank you.

[0:45:16] Trustee Busheikin: And Trustee Wolverton?

[0:45:20] Voice 5: Yeah, I feel like the questions can go up

[0:45:22] Voice 5: as far as I'm concerned.

[0:45:23] Voice 5: And I agree with Trustee Patrick

[0:45:26] Voice 5: that the more straightforward

[0:45:28] Voice 5: and accessible the language, the better.

[0:45:33] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:45:34] Trustee Busheikin: And I'll speak on the speaker's list.

[0:45:37] Trustee Busheikin: um i am you know i think um editing and writing by committee is uh can be a bit challenging

[0:45:46] Trustee Busheikin: uh so i'm a little leery of you know having all of us see a draft and all of us give input on it

[0:45:54] Trustee Busheikin: um we could perhaps just you know suggest one or two of us but i do i agree quite strongly with

[0:46:01] Trustee Busheikin: what's been said about the importance of bringing in some plain language approaches to it. I know

[0:46:11] Trustee Busheikin: we don't have a comms person right now. I'm wondering if there's someone on staff who could

[0:46:17] Trustee Busheikin: review it. Writing for the public about sciences is an art form. I mean, you can

[0:46:24] Trustee Busheikin: do certificate programs in it. It's not just something that anyone necessarily can easily do.

[0:46:33] Trustee Busheikin: So, yeah, that's, I guess, a challenge without having a comms person now, and I'm not sure what we can do with that, but I'm going to just see what staff have to say, and then I will go to, go ahead, David, you're muted.

[0:46:50] Trustee Busheikin: unmuted

[0:46:52] Voice 1: uh i'm unmuted now thank you can you hear me yeah so uh we do we can certainly do that so

[0:46:58] Voice 1: if you want to pass a resolution to ask staff to develop frequently asked questions i would

[0:47:04] Voice 1: actually recommend we bring them back to the committee at the next meeting for you to review

[0:47:10] Voice 1: them um in lieu of that if you feel you want to get them out sooner we could just bring it through

[0:47:16] Voice 1: the chair and get the chair get the committee just to authorize the chair to um approve them on the

[0:47:22] Voice 1: behalf of the committee that's another option uh we do you know we do have capacity uh comps

[0:47:28] Voice 1: capacity to do a uh plain language review we can certainly do that and make it look pretty

[0:47:34] Voice 1: uh before it goes out on the website so we can do it we just need some direction great

[0:47:40] Voice 7: thank you

[0:47:45] Voice 7: or ex officio

[0:47:47] Trustee Luckham: locum yeah thank you um um this is all good and i support the process but

[0:47:53] Trustee Luckham: just two words two things that ideas of caution is um i think that having an outside other than

[0:48:01] Trustee Luckham: staff right having an outside person with an outside perspective even from a lay uh perspective

[0:48:10] Trustee Luckham: perspective, creating these kinds of things is important because we tend to be too close to the

[0:48:18] Trustee Luckham: topic and too close to it. And our assumptions leak through and that mystifies some of the

[0:48:26] Trustee Luckham: language that we use. And indeed, Laura, you're right that it is a skill set that is unique. And

[0:48:33] Trustee Luckham: so just as a caution, the other caution is don't lose the science in creating plain language.

[0:48:40] Trustee Luckham: because the most ardent critics of the work that we do, the next thing that they always ask for is

[0:48:46] Trustee Luckham: where's the data? So let's make sure that the data and the science is somehow connected through

[0:48:53] Trustee Luckham: appendixes or links or something in those FAQs that say, well, where's the science? Maybe that's

[0:48:59] Trustee Luckham: the question. And then there's an opportunity to link that in so that we can address both sides

[0:49:05] Trustee Luckham: of the spectrum, those people that are not familiar and those people that are intimately

[0:49:09] Trustee Luckham: from Emma.

[0:49:12] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Any further comments or questions? Okay, so I think what we're looking

[0:49:21] Trustee Busheikin: for here, because I'm sensing this general support for this, for work on this FAQ,

[0:49:29] Trustee Busheikin: I think what we're looking for is a motion to go ahead and produce the FAQ.

[0:49:33] Trustee Busheikin: perhaps the motion could include that it um uh be um given a plain language review

[0:49:44] Trustee Busheikin: um so i think that's what we need and um i think the question of is do does it come back to the

[0:49:52] Trustee Busheikin: next meeting for the whole rpc which would be a whole new rpc um which in a way could be interesting

[0:49:58] Trustee Busheikin: because it's the those fresh eyes that has half of them maybe we don't know how many

[0:50:03] Trustee Busheikin: will be people who aren't familiar with this or do we want to just go ahead with this and they

[0:50:08] Trustee Busheikin: can bring it back to me for review you know i'm a language professional so i'll make sure the

[0:50:14] Trustee Busheikin: prepositions are right and that kind of thing um if they're not which i bet they will be um

[0:50:21] Trustee Busheikin: so that's and i don't have a strong opinion on that so it's really up to the committee so i'm

[0:50:25] Trustee Busheikin: i'm inviting a i think a motion at this point but i did see director fairmark have his hand back

[0:50:31] Trustee Busheikin: it doesn't need to ask

[0:50:34] Voice 17: thank you madam chair um you know at risk of being you know uh sort of rude

[0:50:41] Voice 17: in my first meeting with this group generally faqs are just a staff generated thing that's

[0:50:47] Voice 17: result of a project and we would inform this group when that's done and so this is where i

[0:50:53] Voice 17: differ i guess from director marler i don't wish to be rude or argumentative or anything like that

[0:50:57] Voice 17: but that's certainly how I view that and then we would we would work with the chair for that

[0:51:03] Voice 17: but then it would certainly be up to the RPC if they you know to review that and to comment but

[0:51:09] Voice 17: I would think that this is I think death by a thousand cuts review an FAQ and I would we do

[0:51:14] Voice 17: have communications professionals and staff who dedicate some time to these projects and

[0:51:18] Voice 17: I would think you'd want to get out of reviewing that type of material only so you get informed

[0:51:23] Voice 17: informed you of course we would put it on your agenda so you can review it so you know what's

[0:51:27] Voice 17: going on it's your project but I would think you wouldn't want to waste time sort of wordsmithing

[0:51:33] Voice 17: but that's that's my two bits and that's how I see it and I would have wanted to support staff

[0:51:37] Voice 17: just to go ahead and get it done but there you go so at least there's me being minorly argumentative

[0:51:44] Voice 17: and I forgive me thank

[0:51:46] Trustee Busheikin: you that keeps things interesting and also like seriously we need to

[0:51:52] Trustee Busheikin: to be able to hear different points of view

[0:51:56] Trustee Busheikin: because that pushes us to make the best possible decisions.

[0:51:58] Trustee Busheikin: I think anyone here should just be agreeable

[0:51:59] Trustee Busheikin: for the sake of being agreeable.

[0:52:01] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Peterson.

[0:52:05] Voice 19: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[0:52:07] Voice 19: I'm in favor of moving this forward

[0:52:11] Voice 19: at this round of the committee.

[0:52:13] Voice 19: I don't think it's necessary to wait

[0:52:16] Voice 19: for the next iteration of the committee.

[0:52:19] Voice 19: and i will just also uh wanted to both voice some support um for the concept of you know

[0:52:27] Voice 19: very plain language with links to the hard science because that's also something i'm i'm aware that

[0:52:34] Voice 19: that um has been brought up you know on certain uh online forums and stuff so i i think that

[0:52:42] Voice 19: that that would be a great way to sort of set it up so that you know really plain language with

[0:52:48] Voice 19: links to like here's here's the hard hard science behind it if for those that want that more uh

[0:52:55] Voice 19: technical uh look at it so i mean that's my comment so

[0:53:00] Trustee Busheikin: i think at this point all we really

[0:53:02] Trustee Busheikin: need is a motion to first step to bring forward a fresh water sustainability strategy frequently

[0:53:08] Trustee Busheikin: asked question uh document i think everything else the discussion about the plain language

[0:53:13] Trustee Busheikin: which including the science have been duly noted.

[0:53:16] Trustee Busheikin: So a very simple motion, who would like to do that?

[0:53:24] Trustee Busheikin: I will do it, but generally as the chair,

[0:53:27] Trustee Busheikin: I prefer not to make motions.

[0:53:29] Trustee Busheikin: So, but I will, cause it's a very simple motion

[0:53:32] Trustee Busheikin: and I don't see anyone's hand going up.

[0:53:34] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm going to move that the regional planning committee

[0:53:38] Trustee Busheikin: request staff to create a freshwater sustainability strategy

[0:53:45] Trustee Busheikin: frequently asked questions document.

[0:53:48] Trustee Busheikin: and i see trustee dodds has seconded it and i have no further discussion i think it's been discussed

[0:53:57] Trustee Busheikin: uh so does anyone have any comments at this point so i'm going to call the question please raise

[0:54:05] Trustee Busheikin: your electronic hand oh okay i'm looking for the number i don't have to count them okay

[0:54:22] Trustee Busheikin: nine in favor so let's all lower our our hands any opposed none opposed thank you

[0:54:34] Trustee Busheikin: good uh i look forward to seeing that uh so we can now move on to eight which is business

[0:54:43] Trustee Busheikin: uh

[0:54:44] Voice 15: chair pashakin yep if you don't mind for the sake of people listening in um broad by

[0:54:52] Voice 15: broadcasting could you please declare the result of the vote of that motion oh

[0:54:57] Trustee Busheikin: absolutely yes

[0:54:58] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, thanks for the reminder.

[0:54:59] Trustee Busheikin: That passes unanimously.

[0:55:03] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:55:04] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:55:09] Trustee Busheikin: So we can move on now to number eight.

[0:55:13] Trustee Busheikin: This is the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw.

[0:55:19] Trustee Busheikin: Number 145, that's the Denman Island Adoption of the Model Fees Bylaw.

[0:55:24] Trustee Busheikin: Put here, I'm not sure who put this here for discussion.

[0:55:27] Trustee Busheikin: is the person who put it on the agenda here in the meeting and could speak to it wasn't this from

[0:55:36] Voice 11: executive committee a referral uh ec okay

[0:55:40] Voice 11: sir yeah okay

[0:55:42] Trustee Busheikin: so could someone from ec speak to what

[0:55:46] Trustee Busheikin: the what why it's here so go ahead trustee patrick i

[0:55:50] Trustee Patrick: think the key thing was is uh this committee

[0:55:52] Trustee Patrick: created a model by law and then it went out and that some committees have made amendments and

[0:55:57] Trustee Patrick: and changes to the committees.

[0:55:58] Trustee Patrick: And I think Denman's an example of that.

[0:56:00] Trustee Patrick: So I think that was all from the executive standpoint.

[0:56:03] Trustee Patrick: We're like, well, if it's a model by-law,

[0:56:05] Trustee Patrick: how do we track and keep track of these changes

[0:56:08] Trustee Patrick: through the model by-law itself,

[0:56:09] Trustee Patrick: be changed or something to reflect these.

[0:56:12] Trustee Patrick: So I think you could speak to the changes

[0:56:14] Trustee Patrick: that you made in Denman.

[0:56:16] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's all we wanted to catch.

[0:56:21] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:56:22] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, that sounds great.

[0:56:23] Trustee Busheikin: So just briefly, it was quite debated on Denman,

[0:56:29] Trustee Busheikin: Because some of the model bylaw fees were quite a lot higher than current fees.

[0:56:34] Trustee Busheikin: What we ended up doing is going ahead with the model bylaw as presented, but with exceptions only for applications connected to affordable housing.

[0:56:46] Trustee Busheikin: And we kept those really, they're really quite low.

[0:56:49] Trustee Busheikin: I would say they're highly subsidized.

[0:56:51] Trustee Busheikin: So their rezoning application for affordable housing is $1,500.

[0:56:57] Trustee Busheikin: hundred dollars. So that's quite a lot less than I think it was about five thousand for a typical

[0:57:02] Trustee Busheikin: one. I don't have the number in my head. And then we have temporary use permits for secondary

[0:57:07] Trustee Busheikin: dwellings to be used for, I think it says for rental housing, although there's no way to really

[0:57:13] Trustee Busheikin: monitor or regulate that. And those also were kept really quite low. So those are the only

[0:57:20] Trustee Busheikin: differences and I gather that um Gabriela did something similar so it is good to track all

[0:57:26] Trustee Busheikin: this and maybe at a certain point to do a bit of a a summary report like maybe a year down the road

[0:57:32] Trustee Busheikin: as to how that model bylaw is doing any comments or questions about that trustee Dodds I just have

[0:57:40] Voice 8: a question about about the affordable housing um on main island um anything that's a community

[0:57:46] Voice 8: community rezoning and we always request that that the fees be waived and so far they always have

[0:57:52] Voice 8: so i kind of question uh which applications for affordable housing would have to pay a fee

[0:57:58] Voice 8: um are there private ones that you we've never had that happen on maine so

[0:58:03] Voice 8: no

[0:58:05] Trustee Busheikin: ours are always by non-profit groups but um you know just looking at the budget um for this

[0:58:12] Trustee Busheikin: fiscal for that i think you're talking about the ec sponsorship is that

[0:58:16] Voice 8: right yeah yeah well the

[0:58:17] Trustee Busheikin: budget for that's quite low so there's not

[0:58:19] Trustee Busheikin: actually a lot of room for sponsorship and um so there's

[0:58:23] Trustee Busheikin: that concern and and i mean they're anecdotally i feel there are more affordable housing groups

[0:58:29] Trustee Busheikin: starting up and trying to get affordable housing going and just the worry that there is not enough

[0:58:35] Trustee Busheikin: money in the budget for that sponsorship and it's it's an extra application it's a few months of

[0:58:40] Trustee Busheikin: of delay so this is just an additional um way of um providing some support in case they don't

[0:58:47] Trustee Busheikin: that's a good question

[0:58:49] Voice 8: my preference would be that we make sure that there is adequate funds

[0:58:54] Voice 8: in our budget to to do these i i would hesitate to go out to any non-profit um for housing and

[0:59:03] Voice 8: say you've got to come up with that fifteen hundred dollars so so i just find it kind of an

[0:59:06] Voice 8: It would be very difficult for me to do it that way.

[0:59:11] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[0:59:12] Trustee Busheikin: Well, they can still apply for the subsidy

[0:59:15] Voice 8: to the $1,500.

[0:59:16] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[0:59:17] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Wolverton.

[0:59:19] Voice 5: I just wondered if we had a number of the LTCs that have passed the model bylaws, a final number.

[0:59:29] Trustee Busheikin: Does anyone know that?

[0:59:30] Trustee Busheikin: How many LTCs have passed them?

[0:59:32] Trustee Busheikin: I anecdotally heard all but two have passed them.

[0:59:37] Trustee Busheikin: Can staff provide any?

[0:59:41] Trustee Busheikin: clarification i think

[0:59:42] Trustee Busheikin: that's

[0:59:44] Trustee Luckham: a good number it's close to that okay the

[0:59:47] Trustee Luckham: major the majority for sure

[0:59:49] Trustee Busheikin: yeah okay and then um back to the um the general speakers listen i just want to say because we

[0:59:55] Trustee Busheikin: still have a lot of big things to do like this isn't i think it's not going to be useful to

[0:59:58] Trustee Busheikin: to debate whether the.

[1:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: LTC did the right thing or not this is really just here so that we know what's what's happening

[1:00:05] Trustee Busheikin: with the model bylaws so um trustee longer rice and then like them yeah

[1:00:11] Voice 11: gabriel they set their

[1:00:13] Voice 11: fee for affordable housing at a thousand dollars and the society also applied for

[1:00:19] Voice 11: ec funding support for that so it's it's a bit of numbers game really i mean the bottom line is

[1:00:27] Voice 11: the development costs are whatever the five seven thousand dollars and so we either bump up the

[1:00:36] Voice 11: amount in ec's budget or we reduce it to a thousand and keep the ec budget lower i don't know

[1:00:45] Voice 11: it's it's still it's just a cost that we're going to cover somehow whether we exempted locally or

[1:00:53] Voice 11: or not so

[1:00:53] Voice 3: thank

[1:00:56] Trustee Busheikin: you um yeah um interesting to hear what the gabriella ltc did uh peter

[1:01:03] Trustee Busheikin: yeah

[1:01:05] Trustee Luckham: i think that uh trustee long rice is absolutely correct there it is kind of a numbers

[1:01:09] Trustee Luckham: game um i just wanted to say that executive committee i'd have to get some verification

[1:01:16] Trustee Luckham: on the numbers but executive committee is usually very generous i think we've overspent in some

[1:01:20] Trustee Luckham: situations and balanced it out in other situations and I do believe we've asked for additional

[1:01:28] Trustee Luckham: monies to be put in there but it's a very loose number that is there and certainly we need to be

[1:01:36] Trustee Luckham: more accountable to that number I recognize that but I don't know that we've turned down

[1:01:43] Trustee Luckham: any or many um housing projects particularly okay

[1:01:49] Trustee Busheikin: good to know thank you um so can we move on then

[1:01:55] Voice 7: wonderful

[1:01:55] Trustee Busheikin: good uh thank you and it's 11 um uh does anyone like does anyone if you just put your hand

[1:02:06] Trustee Busheikin: up if you're really needing a bio break like what i'd like to do is maybe take like a five minute

[1:02:11] Trustee Busheikin: minute bio break, like truly five minute at 1130. And then go to 1230. But I see a hand up. So I

[1:02:17] Trustee Busheikin: think we need to be physically comfortable or we can't do good work. So let's take a five minute

[1:02:23] Trustee Busheikin: bio break now. Let's, let's go for six minutes. And let's take a six minute break. Okay, people

[1:07:48] Trustee Busheikin: People are coming back.

[1:07:52] Trustee Busheikin: That's good.

[1:08:10] Trustee Busheikin: I see Robert put 11, 11 a.m.,

[1:08:13] Trustee Busheikin: which is funny because I said 11, 10,

[1:08:15] Trustee Busheikin: but I think he's being realistic

[1:08:16] Trustee Busheikin: that when you say 11, 10, it means 11, 11.

[1:08:19] Trustee Busheikin: But we still need to say 11, 10.

[1:08:21] Trustee Busheikin: That's just how it is.

[1:08:27] Trustee Busheikin: So we'll go to 11, 11 in case there's,

[1:08:30] Trustee Busheikin: well, I don't think we have members of the public anyway.

[1:08:32] Trustee Busheikin: So do we?

[1:08:35] Voice 15: There is one now present.

[1:08:37] Voice 15: There's two actually.

[1:08:39] Trustee Busheikin: will welcome members of the public um no

[1:08:42] Voice 15: the other member is trustee

[1:08:44] Voice 15: fenton who's um he's

[1:08:48] Trustee Busheikin: in fact should be here i had and i'm i apologize for this but i think it had slipped my mind that

[1:08:57] Trustee Busheikin: i believe at some point he actually he he joined our committee and should be in this group he did

[1:09:04] Voice 15: He did join, and he's calling in, so he can't be a panelist, can't be promoted, but he can speak, and he can put up his hand to speak.

[1:09:12] Voice 15: so

[1:09:13] Trustee Busheikin: welcome doug and i'm sorry that um i yes i'm sorry i neglected you um so welcome and and please

[1:09:21] Trustee Busheikin: put up your hand to speak and um if i don't see it i'm just seeing if i see i don't see you on my

[1:09:29] Trustee Busheikin: list of participants doug so you may need to just use

[1:09:35] Trustee Busheikin: your voice when you need to use your voice

[1:09:39] Voice 10: Yeah, like

[1:09:40] Trustee Busheikin: that. You just say, hey, or excuse me. Oh, I

[1:09:46] Trustee Busheikin: see a square now with you, but I don't

[1:09:48] Trustee Busheikin: see you in the list when I click on panelists.

[1:09:54] Voice 10: Yeah, no, I couldn't be promoted to panelists

[1:09:56] Voice 10: for whatever reason,

[1:09:57] Voice 10: so Mark's just got these two features. Raise my hand, Andor.

[1:10:01] Voice 10: or

[1:10:01] Trustee Busheikin: be muted.

[1:10:04] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so I'm

[1:10:05] Trustee Busheikin: going to pull us back together now.

[1:10:08] Trustee Busheikin: And we are looking at the item,

[1:10:11] Trustee Busheikin: Amendment to Trust Council Policy 6.2.1 and 6.7.1,

[1:10:16] Trustee Busheikin: which is one of, I think, the final pieces

[1:10:21] Trustee Busheikin: in the Planning Services Delivery Review.

[1:10:25] Trustee Busheikin: This is a briefing, but we are being asked,

[1:10:28] Trustee Busheikin: asked my understanding is we're being asked just to have a a look at it and see if we have

[1:10:35] Trustee Busheikin: comment on it um because ec this went to ec but why don't i ask staff to explain that because they

[1:10:43] Trustee Busheikin: are more um involved than i have been i'm not sure what staff member would it be regional

[1:10:50] Trustee Busheikin: planning manager car if you are here yes yep i'm here and yes it doesn't mean thank you yeah

[1:10:57] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, and good to see you. Thanks for

[1:10:59] Voice 6: your work on this.

[1:10:59] Voice 6: Sure. Yeah, so as noted, you know, we started with Trust Council Policy 5.9.1, which is the best practices policy, and Trust Council adopted amendments to those in June.

[1:11:15] Voice 6: So we're moving on to a couple of other policies that have to do with work program, 6.2.1 and 6.7.1.

[1:11:24] Voice 6: And these were recommended amendments were presented to EC.

[1:11:31] Voice 6: They asked that they be forwarded to the RPC for review.

[1:11:36] Voice 6: And because of the short timeline of this term, we are hoping that they get adopted by Trust Council.

[1:11:47] Voice 6: That's our ideal situation, is they get adopted by Trust Council in September so that those are set, you know, those expectations are set with the new council.

[1:11:57] Voice 6: Council. However, the RPC does have the option of continuing to review and continuing to

[1:12:04] Voice 6: keep this on your work plan rather than forwarding it to Trust Council. We're just hoping that

[1:12:09] Voice 6: you will forward it, which is why it's a briefing and not a RFP.

[1:12:16] Voice 6: In terms of what the proposed amendments are, they include, let me just pull up my own screen

[1:12:25] Voice 6: here because i've got some notes um myself so the the key um elements of the changes are um and this

[1:12:40] Voice 6: is probably what you want to talk about the most um removal of a specific number of projects for

[1:12:45] Voice 6: each of the committees so right now the the policies talk about three projects for ltc

[1:12:52] Voice 6: and that and for for each of the committees so it's the ec committee and rpc committee all the

[1:12:58] Voice 6: committees have three projects so these amendments would remove a reference to a specific project

[1:13:05] Voice 6: or specific number of projects other than to add um some some specifics the first is each local

[1:13:15] Voice 6: trust committee would get up to one minor project and presumably that would be worked on by the

[1:13:21] Voice 6: local planning team so in the north that would be the northern office um number two there would

[1:13:30] Voice 6: still kind of all that work would shift to a list of major and extraordinary projects that would be

[1:13:37] Voice 6: worked on by the regional planning team the regional planning team's work plan would be

[1:13:44] Voice 6: completely determined by the budget you know whatever projects are budgeted in the um as line

[1:13:50] Voice 6: items is the work plan of the division planning team. And then there's a third, which is there's

[1:13:58] Voice 6: an assumption that Salt Spring is special and will get a minimum of three projects. So that is what

[1:14:06] Voice 6: we're proposing. Other minor amendments include changing the name of the projects list to the

[1:14:14] Voice 6: future projects list which is i think we're more accurate about how we how we use that list um so

[1:14:22] Voice 6: those are that's the summary uh what we are hoping to build and move forward but but you have the

[1:14:27] Voice 6: option of continuing to discuss it so i'll leave it at that and answer any questions thank you

[1:14:35] Voice 7: uh i

[1:14:36] Trustee Busheikin: trustee wolverton go ahead

[1:14:42] Voice 5: one comment in that um i think we should be referring to

[1:14:47] Voice 5: to Trust Council's four committees,

[1:14:49] Voice 5: so including the Governance Committee.

[1:14:51] Voice 5: So in a couple of spots, there's just reference to three.

[1:14:56] Voice 5: Just

[1:15:01] Trustee Busheikin: respond to that.

[1:15:02] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not, I guess, okay, yeah, no, that's okay.

[1:15:08] Trustee Busheikin: Like I thought the Governance Committee had a specific job,

[1:15:10] Trustee Busheikin: but I could be wrong about that.

[1:15:13] Trustee Busheikin: So it doesn't hurt to mention them.

[1:15:15] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, Trustee Longerice and then Patrick.

[1:15:18] Voice 11: I got one question regarding Salt Spring.

[1:15:21] Voice 11: when you say three projects you mean three minor projects is that the intent whereas the other

[1:15:29] Voice 11: trust committees would have one minor project i

[1:15:34] Voice 6: think that's a reasonable question we haven't

[1:15:35] Voice 6: specified it one way

[1:15:36] Voice 3: or the other um yeah so it could be what it could

[1:15:46] Voice 6: be either or both

[1:15:47] Voice 6: and so

[1:15:49] Voice 11: the local trust community would be doing three major projects then locally is that i think

[1:15:57] Voice 6: that's still a possibility with the amendments we've provided but of course the major projects

[1:16:02] Voice 6: are all still in the have to be approved through the budget process but

[1:16:06] Voice 11: it would be done locally

[1:16:07] Voice 11: where as opposed to the regional planning team so what they didn't have one minor and i mean

[1:16:14] Voice 11: what's the limit here i'm just not quite sure what the intent is yeah

[1:16:18] Voice 6: i think we're i think

[1:16:21] Voice 6: it's set we're set to figure it out i mean in terms of so policy 5.9.1 establishes that any

[1:16:30] Voice 6: project over five thousand dollars is a major project and will be done by the regional funding

[1:16:35] Voice 6: team so if one of the three projects that salt spring has is over five thousand dollars it's

[1:16:42] Voice 6: assumed to be a major project that will be done by the regional economy so i read this to mean

[1:16:48] Voice 6: that it could be minor or major but there will be a list of three and who who works on them depends

[1:16:54] Voice 6: on whether it's a major or minor project

[1:16:58] Voice 11: so so saltering has the option of doing minor or major

[1:17:03] Voice 11: projects essentially well

[1:17:06] Voice 6: everybody does it's just a matter of who gets budgeted no

[1:17:10] Voice 11: but i meant by

[1:17:11] Voice 11: the local uh planning team i

[1:17:16] Voice 6: don't think that's where we've envisioned that you know that the

[1:17:18] Voice 6: The local planning team would not be doing major projects.

[1:17:21] Voice 6: It would only be the regional planning team that does major projects.

[1:17:24] Voice 6: But Stefan's shaking his head.

[1:17:27] Voice 11: Oh, so the limit of one.

[1:17:30] Voice 11: I

[1:17:30] Voice 20: agree with you.

[1:17:31] Voice 20: Okay.

[1:17:32] Voice 11: Each LTC would have an option to put forward major projects.

[1:17:37] Voice 11: But Salisbury has the option of putting forward three major projects per fiscal year.

[1:17:44] Voice 11: Is that the idea?

[1:17:45] Voice 11: I'm just.

[1:17:46] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:17:47] Voice 6: Yeah, I, I see where you're going with the question. You know, I think every LTC has the

[1:17:54] Voice 6: option of putting forward as many projects as they want and asking for as many projects as they want,

[1:17:59] Voice 6: right? But I think there's some, some assurance or some, it's, you know, all of these policies

[1:18:07] Voice 6: are policy guidance for trust counsel. So as you're looking at your budget, and you're looking

[1:18:12] Voice 6: at your priorities and your projects, are you making sure that Salt Spring has three?

[1:18:19] Voice 6: of sort of you know it's guidance for trust council

[1:18:25] Voice 6: the

[1:18:25] Voice 11: only other comment i had was about the section where it talks about the follow-up action list

[1:18:31] Voice 11: being within the next three months that seems to be the exception not to rule i wonder if that

[1:18:37] Voice 11: should be changed to something a little longer well

[1:18:43] Voice 6: i think that's a a good observation as well

[1:18:47] Voice 6: Well, you know, you have FUAL items that are, that are years on, that stay on the list for a long

[1:18:54] Voice 6: time. But it's my understanding that that occurs not because the project is big and it takes

[1:19:03] Voice 6: three years to do it, but because of resourcing. So, you know, as a staff person, I assume the

[1:19:10] Voice 6: at the UAL is mini projects that in theory will only take three years or three sorry three months

[1:19:19] Voice 6: to execute but they stay on the list because we have other priorities that take precedent

[1:19:26] Voice 6: does that answer your question

[1:19:28] Voice 3: okay

[1:19:30] Voice 7: thank you trustee Patrick

[1:19:33] Voice 7: trick

[1:19:35] Trustee Patrick: um and in some ways i'm you know i'm glad to see us you know a new director here who uh

[1:19:45] Trustee Patrick: hopefully is going to bring um yeah some very serious thoughts to this process i mean heather

[1:19:53] Trustee Patrick: and i think you have been i know you

[1:19:55] Trustee Patrick: have been and uh where where we're going but i think we're

[1:19:58] Trustee Patrick: we're aiming for like incremental little changes um and yes things have to change but you know one

[1:20:05] Trustee Patrick: one project, two projects, three projects, that's the least importance to me. It's the what we're

[1:20:10] Trustee Patrick: doing and how we come about agreeing to do it. And I think this committee could play a very

[1:20:16] Trustee Patrick: significant role in helping, you know, coordinate the work that needs to be done and to find those

[1:20:23] Trustee Patrick: efficiencies as, you know, is this a project that is just Salt Spring or is this a project that is

[1:20:28] Trustee Patrick: is really you know applicable to multiple islands or um or is this a trust area wide project that

[1:20:35] Trustee Patrick: needs needs to be done um so i think there's a lot of work to be done that needs to tie to the

[1:20:42] Trustee Patrick: strategic plan and that you know how we uh choose the work that we do and i you know i think

[1:20:49] Trustee Patrick: communications just among trust uh local trust committees is is absolutely critical so that we

[1:20:56] Trustee Patrick: We, you know, each one of us get one project, but you know,

[1:20:59] Trustee Patrick: what if somebody has a really dire problem? It's really,

[1:21:04] Trustee Patrick: it's, it needs to be looked at both ways, not just individual LTCs,

[1:21:09] Trustee Patrick: but as a group as to where the work lies in its priority and need.

[1:21:15] Trustee Patrick: And so that's all I really want to say.

[1:21:18] Trustee Patrick: I think we have a lot of work to do and I'm, I'm,

[1:21:20] Trustee Patrick: I'm hoping our new director is strong and has the strength to pull all

[1:21:25] Trustee Patrick: all this on is to, you know, what we're doing now is not working. So we know it has to change. It's

[1:21:31] Trustee Patrick: what it's going to change into. I think this is an iterative step.

[1:21:38] Voice 7: Thank you. I put

[1:21:39] Trustee Busheikin: myself on the speaker's list. I am, well, I'm really pleased to see this come

[1:21:46] Trustee Busheikin: forward. I'm excited about this. I agree that there is a lot to be done to make our planning

[1:21:59] Trustee Busheikin: services delivery more responsive, efficient, and more connected. And this is, you know, part of it.

[1:22:11] Trustee Busheikin: But, and I just, I thought a lot about this.

[1:22:14] Trustee Busheikin: I am willing to simply forward it,

[1:22:17] Trustee Busheikin: but I just want just to share some of the questions

[1:22:21] Trustee Busheikin: I've been thinking about because I wasn't sure.

[1:22:25] Trustee Busheikin: And I think like when I,

[1:22:29] Trustee Busheikin: I understand why this could be a much better way to work.

[1:22:33] Trustee Busheikin: And, but it does seem to be shifting decision-making

[1:22:42] Trustee Busheikin: about projects which about which projects get funded away from the autonomy of a local trust

[1:22:51] Trustee Busheikin: committee more towards trust council making those decisions so it it has a feel of centralization

[1:22:58] Trustee Busheikin: and um and i know a lot of that will depend how it really is carried out and that will depend

[1:23:06] Trustee Busheikin: and partly on who is elected, and how staff deal with it. But I can imagine certainly

[1:23:12] Trustee Busheikin: constituents on my island reading this and saying, well, oh, like now we don't even get to decide

[1:23:18] Trustee Busheikin: ourselves what projects we focus on. But that is how it's always been, or how it's been for many

[1:23:26] Trustee Busheikin: years, as planning has become more complex and become more expensive and needs to be funded

[1:23:31] Trustee Busheikin: it more than it did 10 or 15 years ago. We do have to increasingly put in bigger budget requests

[1:23:39] Trustee Busheikin: and they do go to trust counsel and it's been done on an ad hoc basis without guiding policies. So

[1:23:46] Trustee Busheikin: I think I'm sharing this because you may also hear those kinds of comments from

[1:23:51] Trustee Busheikin: your constituents. I'm sharing some of the things I would say and I'm a firm believer that

[1:23:57] Trustee Busheikin: that local trust committees should have a degree of autonomy

[1:24:00] Trustee Busheikin: and should be somewhat idiosyncratic and specific.

[1:24:04] Trustee Busheikin: Their work should be specific to their islands

[1:24:07] Trustee Busheikin: and that those differences

[1:24:08] Trustee Busheikin: and that level of local autonomy

[1:24:10] Trustee Busheikin: is a big part of what makes the trust special.

[1:24:12] Trustee Busheikin: So I don't wanna lose that,

[1:24:14] Trustee Busheikin: but I do believe that ultimately this will allow

[1:24:18] Trustee Busheikin: for a more rational, effective,

[1:24:21] Trustee Busheikin: and fair allocation of our resources.

[1:24:26] Trustee Busheikin: But I think there is a lot more to do, partly because it is just a much more complicated world than 10 or 20 years ago, and planning is more complex. And how are we really going to fund it and do it right?

[1:24:39] Trustee Busheikin: having better systems in place is great but it's still not the whole answer because it just needs

[1:24:51] Trustee Busheikin: more resources especially with the increasing I think imperative to really do a better job with

[1:24:59] Trustee Busheikin: First Nations consultation and I don't mean that to critique the job we've been doing that's just

[1:25:04] Trustee Busheikin: the way of our world in BC and I think it's I I support that uh so I just I just wanted to share

[1:25:14] Trustee Busheikin: those thoughts I think they're really important things to continue to think about um as I and

[1:25:21] Trustee Busheikin: will come up a bit in the letter is just that that balance between how we work in a connected way

[1:25:29] Trustee Busheikin: way and supporting autonomy at local trust committees to a degree. So that's all. But I'm

[1:25:35] Trustee Busheikin: very happy to see this come forward. And I think it's important to get it done by the end of the

[1:25:42] Trustee Busheikin: term. Thank you. Anyone else want to go on the speaker's list after my rather long speech?

[1:25:51] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so we've got staff ready to comment. Go ahead, Director Chermak.

[1:25:58] Voice 17: Thank you, Madam Chair. And I'll try to keep out of the politics and keep into the processes.

[1:26:02] Voice 17: And I just really want to reiterate that these proposed policy amendments wrap up the work this term of what was begun as the LPS renewal quite some time ago.

[1:26:16] Voice 17: And it'll really help in terms of going forward with, you know, assigning, you know, using these policies to do the work of planning.

[1:26:28] Voice 17: planning. However, I hear Trustee Patrick quite loudly that we have great opportunities to make

[1:26:34] Voice 17: these changes. I would recommend from a staff perspective for efficiencies that we make these

[1:26:39] Voice 17: amendments, but don't feel like they're static. They're policies. You have a group. You're going

[1:26:45] Voice 17: to have a new group. You're going to be excited to change things, and we're here for that. So

[1:26:49] Voice 17: I just really want to iterate that this really concludes some work that Heather and Director

[1:26:55] Voice 17: have worked on extensively and it really,

[1:26:59] Voice 17: it helps to put a bow on it, but it's just a small bow

[1:27:02] Voice 17: and it can be undone at a later time,

[1:27:04] Voice 17: but it would really help the process to get this through.

[1:27:08] Voice 17: That's, thank you.

[1:27:11] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[1:27:18] Voice 19: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[1:27:19] Voice 19: I'm in favor of moving this forward.

[1:27:22] Voice 19: My experience has been that the number of projects

[1:27:28] Voice 19: on the top priority list,

[1:27:30] Voice 19: is somewhat irrelevant because in in practice um really only get one gets worked on at once i mean

[1:27:41] Voice 19: as a general rule there's there's times when there might be uh enough uh capacity for more

[1:27:49] Voice 19: than one thing to get work on but that's that seems really rare and i think that moving to this

[1:27:53] Voice 19: the new model of having the regional team uh being able to tackle some work while the local uh

[1:27:59] Voice 19: you know, while the other local projects get done out of the appropriate office. I think it's a

[1:28:06] Voice 19: better model, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it works in practice. I feel like it's only

[1:28:13] Voice 19: going to be an improvement. Thank you.

[1:28:17] Trustee Busheikin: There's no RFP here. This is a briefing, and Council asked

[1:28:22] Trustee Busheikin: us to consider it we have considered and we don't have any specific like changes we want uh so i'm

[1:28:32] Trustee Busheikin: curious like maybe someone from ec or staff can you just say do is it what a resolution saying

[1:28:39] Trustee Busheikin: that we um uh support moving ahead with this be useful probably would be given that this is going

[1:28:48] Trustee Busheikin: going to go to council um yep trustee patrick well

[1:28:53] Trustee Patrick: that that's what this did come to ec and ec

[1:28:56] Trustee Patrick: said they wanted to hear from you since you were meeting to get you know are do you believe this

[1:29:01] Trustee Patrick: is ready okay

[1:29:02] Trustee Busheikin: so i think then let's have a motion oh let's hear from ex-officio luckham first

[1:29:08] Trustee Luckham: uh well i'm just gonna reaffirm what uh uh vice chair patrick said there um indeed i think an

[1:29:16] Trustee Luckham: endorsement would be appropriate so that um that's what the committees are there for is to present a

[1:29:23] Trustee Luckham: point of view so please do okay

[1:29:24] Trustee Busheikin: thank you so who would like to put a resolution on the floor just

[1:29:31] Trustee Busheikin: give people a moment to maybe gather some words together okay thank you trustee peterson when

[1:29:37] Trustee Busheikin: you're ready yeah

[1:29:40] Voice 19: i move that um the trust council uh policies 6.21 and uh 6.71

[1:29:52] Voice 19: be forwarded to trust council with an rpc recommendation

[1:30:00] Voice 19: for adoption okay

[1:30:04] Voice 3: that sounds good trustee stanford are you seconding i'm gonna assume

[1:30:10] Trustee Busheikin: that it's by

[1:30:11] Trustee Busheikin: trustee stanford and would anyone else like to speak to that go ahead trustee

[1:30:19] Trustee Busheikin: longer ice yeah

[1:30:20] Voice 11: just that within the framework here there's a recommendation within it which

[1:30:25] Voice 11: is this three projects are we then sanctioning are agreeing with the three projects for salt

[1:30:31] Voice 11: all spring island whether they're major or minor just wanted to clarify that i

[1:30:38] Trustee Busheikin: believe we are that

[1:30:40] Trustee Busheikin: my understanding is that we're sanctioning them with the the the understanding that there's still

[1:30:45] Trustee Busheikin: some ambiguity that may need to be ironed out there is that uh is that what everyone else thinks

[1:30:51] Trustee Busheikin: i guess so no one else is speaking to um disagree with that so yes so it's a bow but it's not a

[1:31:05] Trustee Busheikin: super tight bow because I can carry the metaphor forward. The contents of the package upon which

[1:31:13] Trustee Busheikin: the bow is affixed still maybe need to be finessed a bit. And I would love to see this be, you know,

[1:31:21] Trustee Busheikin: reviewed in a year or two for how is this working. And I bet that will happen. It is quite a major

[1:31:26] Trustee Busheikin: change. Okay. Seeing no more discussion, I am going to call the questions. So please raise

[1:31:32] Trustee Busheikin: your electronic hands all in favor of the motion. Okay, I am seeing six hands in favor. So can you

[1:31:54] Trustee Busheikin: now put your hands down? And anyone opposed? Okay, we have three opposed. So that motion carries.

[1:32:14] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. And those who were opposed, we didn't hear from all of you. And that's okay. But I do

[1:32:22] Trustee Busheikin: Because I do think this is, although this is now going to possibly be complete, the whole question of planning services delivery, as many have commented here, there's still a lot of untapped potential, a lot of things that unanswered questions, some big unanswered questions, and a need to continually be looking at this.

[1:32:52] Trustee Busheikin: so um you know let's all keep that like i guess what i want to say is if you have some concerns

[1:33:01] Trustee Busheikin: this doesn't mean you might as well just let go of them because this is all a done deal and we're

[1:33:05] Trustee Busheikin: never going to talk about it again and there'll be no more changes i think this is this is still

[1:33:09] Trustee Busheikin: a live topic um but i do want to thank uh director marler and a regional planning manager

[1:33:15] Trustee Busheikin: car for their work on this and director marler brought this forward like several years ago

[1:33:22] Trustee Busheikin: uh initially and um shepard did it quite a while and i want to thank everyone on the committee

[1:33:28] Trustee Busheikin: we've been talking about this and um you know working on it all term and it's complex

[1:33:37] Trustee Busheikin: and um and challenging because it just isn't an easy thing so i i just you know want to take a

[1:33:44] Trustee Busheikin: minute to to thank all the committee members um for that um we now can move on we're actually

[1:33:52] Trustee Busheikin: doing pretty good for time um considering uh all we're dealing with uh so the next thing on the

[1:34:00] Trustee Busheikin: agenda is 8.3 and this is this temporary freshwater technical coordinator we've already talked about

[1:34:06] Trustee Busheikin: this but we've got the report here with a um suggested motion and um is William here um

[1:34:18] Trustee Busheikin: Um, Freshwater Specialist Shulbar, are you available to speak to this?

[1:34:25] Voice 2: Uh, yeah, I'm available.

[1:34:27] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[1:34:27] Trustee Busheikin: It's on page 36.

[1:34:28] Trustee Busheikin: It's in front of us.

[1:34:30] Trustee Busheikin: Uh, so, um, yeah, as you know, we're, we've already talked about this, but, uh, you may

[1:34:34] Trustee Busheikin: have a few more words to say about it.

[1:34:37] Trustee Busheikin: If so, go ahead.

[1:34:41] Voice 2: Um, okay.

[1:34:42] Voice 2: Yeah, I'll let my, um, RFD, uh, speak to itself.

[1:34:45] Voice 2: I provided a, I guess, I'm not too sure if these are too consistent with what the Islands Trust is, but a job description, which would frame up the responsibilities of the freshwater technical coordinator.

[1:35:07] Voice 2: The business case is also available for your review.

[1:35:12] Voice 2: And within the freshwater sustainability strategy, there was a identification that increased staffing will be needed to ensure the success of the strategy.

[1:35:30] Voice 2: And so this is kind of the light version of that, where it's a permanent staff member.

[1:35:38] Voice 2: And so this technical coordinator would facilitate in the presentation of data, the management of science that has been generated through several programs,

[1:35:58] Voice 2: as well as provide support to not only to LPS, but potentially to trust area services in their

[1:36:12] Voice 2: delivery of certain aspects of the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy. And I have

[1:36:21] Voice 2: experience with having a co-op student. I had a co-op student two years ago,

[1:36:24] Voice 2: which was essential to the success of the freshwater strategy development which

[1:36:32] Voice 2: allowed me to focus more on the bigger picture stuff and to the significant applications and

[1:36:40] Voice 2: inquiries that I'm faced with month to month and so I like I would already have a full plate of

[1:36:50] Voice 2: of work with the support of Narissa for this co-op position.

[1:36:59] Voice 2: And yeah, through the chair,

[1:37:02] Voice 2: I'm open for other questions, thanks.

[1:37:05] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:37:06] Trustee Busheikin: So I will invite other questions.

[1:37:12] Trustee Busheikin: Any questions from the committee members?

[1:37:17] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, well, hearing none, then, oh, go ahead,

[1:37:21] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Wilberton, yeah.

[1:37:24] Voice 5: I was on page 37 of the package where it says

[1:37:29] Voice 5: the FWSS identified staffing needs,

[1:37:33] Voice 5: specifically a technical coordinator.

[1:37:36] Voice 5: Staff have also identified the need

[1:37:39] Voice 5: for a freshwater technical coordinator.

[1:37:41] Voice 5: So are those, was,

[1:37:43] Voice 5: it sounds like you're talking about two positions.

[1:37:47] Voice 2: Well, the, sure, like prior

[1:37:52] Voice 2: Prior to the freshwater sustainability strategy, we've been talking about technical coordination with respect to the freshwater portfolio as a need.

[1:38:05] Voice 2: And that was, I guess, supported or that idea was amplified in the strategy.

[1:38:15] Voice 2: strategy. So perhaps it was a little bit of word salad there, and I apologize for that.

[1:38:25] Voice 2: But as of right now, the freshwater sustainability strategy has identified

[1:38:31] Voice 2: the need for a staff member to undertake this role. And we're just saying that staff have

[1:38:39] Voice 2: have identified that a freshwater technical coordinator

[1:38:42] Voice 2: in this capacity would be useful at this time

[1:38:46] Voice 2: for the scope of the role.

[1:38:50] Voice 2: It's, I'm uncertain of what the future would hold

[1:38:53] Voice 2: for that type of role.

[1:38:56] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:38:58] Trustee Busheikin: Other questions?

[1:39:00] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Stamford.

[1:39:02] Trustee Stamford: Yes, thank you.

[1:39:04] Trustee Stamford: I actually have a comment about the job description

[1:39:07] Trustee Stamford: as suggestion um in the page 43 um just about detailing the responsibilities a little bit more

[1:39:16] Trustee Stamford: and how they relate to the specialist position um i just think it'll help when it comes to

[1:39:24] Trustee Stamford: trust counsel if we put more specific details like which projects um programs and projects

[1:39:33] Trustee Stamford: they'd be working on and just how it relates

[1:39:38] Trustee Stamford: to your position, Willem.

[1:39:41] Trustee Stamford: So that was just a suggestion.

[1:39:45] Voice 2: Yeah, through the chair.

[1:39:46] Voice 2: Thank you for that suggestion.

[1:39:47] Voice 2: I believe that that's usually not included

[1:39:51] Voice 2: in the job description, but for sure I can,

[1:39:57] Voice 2: perhaps I would have to speak with

[1:39:59] Voice 2: um director of local planning services a bit more about that by um presenting that

[1:40:07] Voice 2: perhaps more in the uh business case um yeah

[1:40:11] Voice 13: usually the

[1:40:12] Voice 2: yeah usually the the job descriptions

[1:40:16] Voice 2: are are quite general and broad um and and and like i said i i'm not sure job descriptions are

[1:40:24] Voice 2: made for co-op students this was more of a way to present how it would perhaps roll into a more

[1:40:33] Voice 2: permanent position thank

[1:40:37] Trustee Busheikin: you uh trustee stanford your hand is still up did you have another

[1:40:41] Trustee Busheikin: question okay

[1:40:42] Voice 5: um

[1:40:46] Trustee Busheikin: so not seeing any other hands go up there's actually recommended

[1:40:50] Trustee Busheikin: recommended um motions on page 36 at the top so um assuming that there's a number of us um

[1:40:59] Trustee Busheikin: in favor of this i invite someone to put these motions on the floor uh trustee wolverton go ahead

[1:41:11] Trustee Busheikin: uh

[1:41:13] Voice 5: i'd make recommendation one that the regional planning committee endorsed the business case for

[1:41:17] Voice 5: a freshwater technical coordinator co-op student position for the summer of the 2023 firm

[1:41:25] Trustee Busheikin: seconder uh trustee dodds thank you would anyone else like to speak to this trustee wolverton

[1:41:35] Trustee Busheikin: no trustee patrick i'm

[1:41:39] Trustee Patrick: going to speak in favor but it's because of the commitment we have right

[1:41:42] Trustee Patrick: now in the collection of science and making sure that science is being you know properly

[1:41:49] Trustee Patrick: cataloged taken care of and communicated as as we as we go forward um but you know we also there's

[1:41:58] Trustee Patrick: There's this sort of like the community, there's the planning side of the equation of sort of that we got to make sure is equally being resourced on, you know, the demand side of the water issue, I guess, is a way to look at it and making good decisions on future equitable water use.

[1:42:20] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, and I'll just add myself to the speaker's list. I think this is just a piece of what's needed to move this freshwater strategy forward.

[1:42:30] Trustee Busheikin: And, you know, we are awaiting implementation policy. And I think that's going to be a really key document and perhaps a bit of an eye opener for anyone who thought that just having a strategy was enough and is going to magically, you know, work.

[1:42:49] Trustee Busheikin: work like you actually need to implement it on and on multiple levels so um i and just yeah i'll say

[1:42:57] Trustee Busheikin: i really support this i mean partly just because i as long as i've been with the trust those co-op

[1:43:02] Trustee Busheikin: students have always done really really good work for us and brought they bring that connection also

[1:43:08] Trustee Busheikin: to academia and to young the young keen students uh which is new information they they quite

[1:43:16] Trustee Busheikin: regularly end up working for the Trust again. So just for that reason, but also for the content

[1:43:22] Trustee Busheikin: and the work they'll be doing. William, would you like to speak once more?

[1:43:29] Voice 2: Yes, please. Oh,

[1:43:30] Voice 2: I would like to comment on what you just said, Chair Boucher. I truly have been a benefactor

[1:43:38] Voice 2: of this connection with academia it it not only brings in like this energetic youth and and new

[1:43:47] Voice 2: ideas but but has tied back to the professors and researchers that also work in this field and

[1:43:55] Voice 2: and that's been uh really amazing and and actually refined some of the the methods um in the in the

[1:44:03] Voice 2: groundwater recharge mapping project which was really great um i just was wondering if

[1:44:09] Voice 2: i could um through the chair just ask if trustee patrick would uh just expand on her comment a bit

[1:44:16] Voice 2: more with um uh like equitable uh water availability if if trustee patrick feels that is

[1:44:26] Voice 2: should be on like the federation level through the freshwater sustainability strategy or if that's

[1:44:32] Voice 2: something that perhaps would be undertaken at the local trust committee level through a special

[1:44:41] Voice 2: project

[1:44:42] Trustee Patrick: well I mean I don't want to take up time too much time today I just think it's as we go

[1:44:48] Trustee Patrick: forward we've had a development pattern that's occurred historically that we are sort of feeding

[1:44:57] Trustee Patrick: or taking care of at the moment but yet there's a future of what it should be in the decisions that

[1:45:02] Trustee Patrick: we're facing and I sort of see you know we need to be putting more emphasis on that side making sure

[1:45:06] Trustee Patrick: that we're um making good decisions and that you know we only have this much water left are we

[1:45:13] Trustee Patrick: using it you know in an equitable fashion that serves the islands to a longer future

[1:45:23] Trustee Patrick: but yes a lot of the work could be done trust council wide

[1:45:27] Voice 15: thanks and this

[1:45:29] Trustee Busheikin: is a bigger topic

[1:45:31] Trustee Busheikin: public of discussion than we are able to have today and that is not, yeah, let's focus on

[1:45:41] Trustee Busheikin: the RFD before us at this point. So seeing no other hands up, I would like to call the

[1:45:49] Trustee Busheikin: question. So all in favor of this motion, raise your hand electronically, please. Okay,

[1:46:05] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I see seven hands up and also Trustee Benton's hand is showing in a different place.

[1:46:16] Trustee Busheikin: Still learning how to do this electronic meeting work. Okay, so I see eight hands in favor. Please

[1:46:23] Trustee Busheikin: lower your hand if you voted in favor. All hands down. Okay, and now if you're opposed,

[1:46:31] Trustee Busheikin: Opposed, please raise your hand.

[1:46:36] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, seeing no one opposed,

[1:46:38] Trustee Busheikin: I declare the motion has been carried.

[1:46:42] Trustee Busheikin: And now there's one more motion.

[1:46:43] Trustee Busheikin: So let's get that one on the floor also, please.

[1:46:47] Trustee Busheikin: Anyone?

[1:46:51] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead, Jane.

[1:46:52] Voice 5: That the regional planning committee request staff

[1:46:55] Voice 5: to advise the financial planning committee

[1:46:57] Voice 5: to adjust the budget by $18,000

[1:46:59] Voice 5: to accommodate freshwater technical coordinator

[1:47:02] Voice 5: co-op student position for the summer 2023 term thank

[1:47:07] Trustee Busheikin: you and i see that seconded by trustee dodds

[1:47:10] Trustee Busheikin: any further discussion hearing none i'm going to call the question please if you're in favor

[1:47:16] Trustee Busheikin: raise your electronic hand okay i see nine in favor please lower your hands anyone opposed

[1:47:37] Trustee Busheikin: none opposed so that is carried thank you thank

[1:47:44] Voice 13: you chair um

[1:47:46] Trustee Busheikin: before we move on entirely william

[1:47:49] Trustee Busheikin: earlier in the meeting i'm not sure if you were here but we were um uh talking about the

[1:47:55] Trustee Busheikin: freshwater sustainability strategy and and implementing it and uh about budget requests

[1:48:01] Trustee Busheikin: and i had asked planner chadwick is there anything else that maybe should be a budget request related

[1:48:08] Trustee Busheikin: to the freshwater sustainability strategy.

[1:48:11] Trustee Busheikin: And she said, well, some kind of comms work

[1:48:14] Trustee Busheikin: with a estimate, price estimate of about $30,000.

[1:48:19] Trustee Busheikin: And that's for like the state of the island report

[1:48:22] Trustee Busheikin: and all communications work.

[1:48:27] Trustee Busheikin: So, and I'm wondering, I mean,

[1:48:31] Trustee Busheikin: if it's your recommendation that the RPC

[1:48:36] Trustee Busheikin: consider making this budget request at this point or perhaps you'd like to come back to the next

[1:48:42] Trustee Busheikin: meeting with uh like a draft business case or um yeah if you have any comments for us about that

[1:48:50] Voice 2: okay yeah thank you for that question um i i wouldn't want to just kind of make something

[1:48:56] Voice 2: off the floor so if if the rpc chooses us to bring back options that'd be great i will say

[1:49:02] Voice 2: say one thing though that um like the state of the freshwater reporting it it is an entire program

[1:49:09] Voice 2: one of five under the strategy and so it's not uh something where we have all the data we have

[1:49:17] Voice 2: all the information and we're just going to give someone a bucket of money and they're going to

[1:49:22] Voice 2: pump out this report the the idea is to create a project uh under this program to develop what

[1:49:32] Voice 2: what that will look like.

[1:49:33] Voice 2: And then at the end of it,

[1:49:35] Voice 2: of that project will result in the thing.

[1:49:38] Voice 2: So that would involve staff working closely, of course,

[1:49:42] Voice 2: and then whatever budget would come from that

[1:49:46] Voice 2: would involve some type of external help,

[1:49:51] Voice 2: and as well as regular updates to elected officials

[1:49:58] Voice 2: to ensure that this is what is going to be helpful.

[1:50:01] Voice 2: And so that's what I find exciting about this program. It's not just the fact that we're making an expensive document. It's that we are undertaking the process to create this thing that then will be updated and revisited in the future.

[1:50:19] Voice 2: And that's what we found exciting about our business case to Trust Council that was overturned last time.

[1:50:27] Voice 2: And so what you had before you now was I decoupled the co-op student from that ask and you just passed or endorsed the co-op student.

[1:50:39] Voice 2: And the other side of that was to undertake this project to create the state of the freshwater reporting program.

[1:50:49] Voice 2: And that would have been the foundations to it.

[1:50:51] Voice 2: And just to finish off on my comment is that I believe this is the fundamental program that would ensure that the development and the ongoing operation of the freshwater sustainability strategy is not only successful, but what the elected officials and trust council want.

[1:51:14] Voice 2: And I think, and then I would hope that that would result, and I've put it in the freshwater technical coordinator, their kind of main project would be facilitating or help facilitating the freshwater forum, which wouldn't be a public meeting,

[1:51:36] Voice 2: but dedicated to educating the trustees and workshopping through what the elected officials

[1:51:46] Voice 2: would like this freshwater sustainability strategy to accomplish over their term.

[1:51:54] Voice 2: And I imagine Nerissa has maybe a somewhat more of an elegant answer to that question.

[1:52:01] Voice 2: Did you

[1:52:04] Trustee Busheikin: have anything to add, Nerissa?

[1:52:05] Trustee Busheikin: So I actually thought that was quite a comprehensive answer.

[1:52:08] Voice 12: I thought it was very comprehensive, William.

[1:52:10] Voice 12: Thank you very much for that.

[1:52:12] Voice 12: And yeah, I mean, I would, you know, just to sort of just give you a little bit of a

[1:52:18] Voice 12: background, you know, I am actually communicating with Claire around, and we actually did have

[1:52:24] Voice 12: a discussion this morning around the needs for this communication money.

[1:52:29] Voice 12: And, you know, the ask is not, you know, it's considering the fact that we, because we are in a position where we don't have a communications person in place, we do have to be really very realistic about what our needs are.

[1:52:49] Voice 12: so okay

[1:52:53] Trustee Busheikin: like yeah i am like i was quite involved in the creation of the fresh water sustainability

[1:53:02] Trustee Busheikin: strategy and i really want to see it implemented i have been involved in strategies strategy

[1:53:10] Trustee Busheikin: creation where they were never implemented and it just you know and it's one of the things people

[1:53:17] Trustee Busheikin: look at government and they say you just create all these reports and nothing happens um and in

[1:53:23] Trustee Busheikin: In the meantime, like we need now to do a better job of protecting our water.

[1:53:30] Trustee Busheikin: We're making planning decisions and reviewing OCPs and we're not, you know, we're not where

[1:53:36] Trustee Busheikin: we need to be.

[1:53:38] Trustee Busheikin: So I guess I'm interested in like, would it, to move this or to create the potential to

[1:53:46] Trustee Busheikin: move some of this forward, would it be useful for us to pass a motion asking staff to come

[1:53:53] Trustee Busheikin: back with a business case and uh rfd for and this is i'm not sure because i'm hearing slightly

[1:54:02] Trustee Busheikin: different things one might be a coordinator and or i guess a coordinator and our community

[1:54:08] Trustee Busheikin: like i'm not sure for what like made like for the to um initiate the state of the island

[1:54:17] Trustee Busheikin: freshwater program is it for communications related to the freshwater sustainability strategy

[1:54:23] Trustee Busheikin: or could it just be as general as moving forward

[1:54:27] Trustee Busheikin: with next steps in the freshwater sustainability strategy?

[1:54:32] Trustee Busheikin: Like what would be useful to get?

[1:54:35] Trustee Busheikin: Because, and I just, and I know, you know,

[1:54:37] Trustee Busheikin: we can't just keep asking for more and more money,

[1:54:40] Trustee Busheikin: but I think we also need to be realistic about

[1:54:42] Trustee Busheikin: if we have things that are important

[1:54:43] Trustee Busheikin: that we've started working on,

[1:54:47] Trustee Busheikin: we do need to resource them.

[1:54:49] Trustee Busheikin: And let's get this, like, yeah,

[1:54:52] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, let's get going with trying to do that.

[1:54:54] Voice 2: Yeah, so if I may, Chair, I'll just comment before a nurse chimes in here.

[1:55:01] Voice 2: So the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy was a project of the Healthy Watersheds Initiative, right?

[1:55:07] Voice 2: That's the majority of the funding.

[1:55:09] Voice 2: And that was largely seen as a very successful program.

[1:55:14] Voice 2: And now, as you're aware, the province has gone through the Watersheds Security Strategy and Fund Engagement, right?

[1:55:22] Voice 2: And so we're in the public engagement piece, and that's going to then move on to the development of the strategy options.

[1:55:31] Voice 2: And this potentially might be ambitious, but they are on the website, on the engagement website,

[1:55:40] Voice 2: they say the launch of the watershed security strategy and fund in spring of 2023.

[1:55:45] Voice 2: So I believe if we continue on the path of developing our freshwater sustainability strategy, it will harmonize really well with that strategy and fund.

[1:55:57] Voice 2: And so that's why I was suggesting that, and I will be honest with this, staff doesn't have all the answers right now for this freshwater reporting program.

[1:56:07] Voice 2: We would like to develop it, and then hopefully, as we're doing that, we will garner the interest of our partners who have helped us with developing the strategy to ensure that we harmonize with the Watershed Security Strategy and Fund.

[1:56:21] Voice 2: And it's my hopes that the province takes this really seriously in the Amish Trust area, and they are the primary funder of what occurs coming out of our sustainability strategy.

[1:56:33] Voice 2: That might be pie in the sky, but I, it seems like we have been on the right track with that.

[1:56:42] Voice 2: You know, it's, it's kind of like the perfect storm.

[1:56:45] Voice 2: So that sounds great.

[1:56:49] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, Noorisa.

[1:56:51] Voice 12: Yeah, I just add that what we really need to be doing is demonstrating momentum.

[1:56:56] Voice 12: And that's why, you know, and, you know, and I think trustees recognize it too, that, that,

[1:57:03] Voice 12: that, you know, the communications piece is significant

[1:57:07] Voice 12: and that, you know, I mean, it is building up,

[1:57:11] Voice 12: we need to build up to this,

[1:57:14] Voice 12: essentially develop this program

[1:57:16] Voice 12: and this reporting piece to be something

[1:57:20] Voice 12: that we are consistently working on,

[1:57:22] Voice 12: because, you know, another thing that is important

[1:57:24] Voice 12: to all local governments and, you know, including us

[1:57:29] Voice 12: is is that connection to climate adaptation and indicators and we have that with you know water

[1:57:36] Voice 12: is a very specific one so it's our opportunity to to kind of build in those checks and balances

[1:57:43] Voice 12: into our own our own work over time so that is a a significant part like I like I said too and I

[1:57:51] Voice 12: again I think I think you all recognize the value of of being able to bring along

[1:57:57] Voice 12: along the public in this process and and that's something that you know we haven't been doing, we haven't been able to do a good job of simply because we just haven't had the resources.

[1:58:08] Voice 12: So, you know, just speaking to your question, Chair Buscegian, I think a resolution that would direct staff to come back with a proposal for next steps in budget, I think would be a good way to go.

[1:58:27] Voice 12: go because um I think you know as we had proposed last year there are um different elements to this

[1:58:34] Voice 12: process and we can certainly um we can certainly identify um what those elements are and I mean

[1:58:43] Voice 12: again depending on um depending on priorities um we can you know we can identify how how it could

[1:58:52] Voice 12: could be parceled out, right?

[1:58:54] Voice 12: So we, you know, last year was, you know,

[1:58:58] Voice 12: a bit of a disappointment because we did lose momentum.

[1:59:02] Voice 12: We could have been moving forward

[1:59:04] Voice 12: a little bit more this year.

[1:59:08] Voice 12: And, you know, I really appreciate you bringing up here.

[1:59:11] Voice 12: Like I said, we were feeling very timid this year.

[1:59:15] Voice 12: So, you know, that's why you haven't seen more

[1:59:18] Voice 12: than the proposal for the intern.

[1:59:23] Trustee Busheikin: Thanks. Well, then I'm going to kind of grab the reins here in terms of making this motion and see where it goes, because I haven't, I've been talking and not hearing from other people. So we'll see if other people feel the same way as me.

[1:59:38] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm going to move that RPC request staff to bring back a proposal for a budget request for next steps.

[2:00:02] Trustee Busheikin: for the freshwater sustainability strategy.

[2:00:13] Trustee Busheikin: That looks good.

[2:00:14] Trustee Busheikin: Are you seconding it, Trustee Wilber?

[2:00:17] Trustee Busheikin: So that's moved and seconded,

[2:00:19] Trustee Busheikin: and now I'm opening up for discussion.

[2:00:26] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not seeing hands for discussion.

[2:00:29] Trustee Busheikin: So, I'm sure-

[2:00:30] Voice 2: Trustee Bishakhan?

[2:00:31] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:00:32] Voice 2: Chair Bishakhan, sorry.

[2:00:33] Voice 2: So you say proposal,

[2:00:35] Voice 2: I guess that would be by way of a staff report, right?

[2:00:39] Trustee Busheikin: I'm leaving it really open for you.

[2:00:42] Trustee Busheikin: it could be a staff report it could be you could like if you're ready to bring in a you know

[2:00:48] Trustee Busheikin: request for decision with a business case I think like that's why I just kept it general because

[2:00:54] Trustee Busheikin: what I'm hearing like I'm hearing something I think slightly between the two staff members

[2:01:01] Trustee Busheikin: speaking to this which is fine actually great but yeah you guys will get together to talk and

[2:01:07] Trustee Busheikin: and look at things and come up with what we think

[2:01:09] Trustee Busheikin: is the best thing for us to be looking at.

[2:01:12] Trustee Busheikin: And maybe that's too vague, but Director Chermak.

[2:01:17] Voice 17: Thank you, Madam Chair.

[2:01:19] Voice 17: I appreciate you having voted on this.

[2:01:21] Voice 17: And I just thought I'd flag, and I've got some help

[2:01:24] Voice 17: from other directors helping me on this.

[2:01:26] Voice 17: We're going to the FBC with assumptions in the next budget.

[2:01:30] Voice 17: And as you discussed earlier, it may come up

[2:01:34] Voice 17: throughout this agenda that there's budget items

[2:01:36] Voice 17: that you're going to collate into a greater ask and it would help if you're asking staff to come

[2:01:42] Voice 17: up and I and I you know this first I'm kind of hearing about this this project but if we're

[2:01:47] Voice 17: going to go FPC and we're going to give them a a ballpark assumption it would be really beneficial

[2:01:52] Voice 17: if there's some sort of ballpark assumption you know generally there's a first you know a range

[2:01:58] Voice 17: at most or something so I'm just requesting if the two staff person speaking to it have

[2:02:04] Voice 17: have a ballpark figure, I would really appreciate if the RPC considered making a motion that included

[2:02:09] Voice 17: a number so we can help finance as they go through a tricky year.

[2:02:17] Trustee Busheikin: So just thank you for that. And

[2:02:20] Trustee Busheikin: that's a really good reminder to get more specific. Earlier, I heard $30,000. So

[2:02:29] Trustee Busheikin: So are you suggesting that be added into this motion?

[2:02:36] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[2:02:36] Voice 17: I am, Madam Chair, yes.

[2:02:38] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[2:02:40] Trustee Busheikin: So, Steph, $30,000, kind of a placeholder at this point.

[2:02:48] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, go ahead, Planner Chadwick.

[2:02:50] Voice 12: Yeah, so $30,000 would be the communications piece.

[2:02:54] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:02:55] Voice 12: It wouldn't necessarily support what William was speaking to,

[2:02:59] Voice 12: which is sort of this more um like a more like essentially a coordinator to help us to develop

[2:03:06] Voice 12: a program this the reporting program and um and that would also also include organizing a forum

[2:03:14] Voice 12: um um for educating uh uh trustees and um so there so if if we were wanting to go

[2:03:25] Voice 12: to the more robust like i guess the the ideal scenario here that would would really within

[2:03:33] Voice 12: this year enable us to to really establish um this program we'd be looking at about a hundred

[2:03:39] Voice 12: thousand thank

[2:03:42] Trustee Busheikin: you yeah that's a that's a big ask but um uh so the motion was moved and seconded

[2:03:54] Trustee Busheikin: um it's it's i find it hard to do this without more detail like it's hard to but i couldn't go

[2:04:01] Trustee Busheikin: to counsel and be convincing about this but this is the whole idea you'll create more of a business

[2:04:06] Trustee Busheikin: case um i am i'm just like i'm thinking um technically can i add uh you know without

[2:04:20] Trustee Busheikin: without it going through a formal amendment process kind of as a friendly

[2:04:23] Trustee Busheikin: amendment ad and that

[2:04:27] Trustee Busheikin: I don't even know the language with a maximum amount of a hundred thousand

[2:04:37] Trustee Busheikin: dollars be a good wording.

[2:04:40] Trustee Busheikin: Anyone else want to help me with that?

[2:04:44] Trustee Busheikin: It's always hard to make motions on the fly. Yeah.

[2:04:52] Voice 12: Yeah. And I'll just, I'll just add, like I said you know, I mean,

[2:04:56] Voice 12: I mean, I'm putting that out there because just to give you an idea and we can come back back with them with what that would look like.

[2:05:03] Voice 12: Yeah. But but we'll also provide options for, you know, for what a scaled back version would look like, too.

[2:05:12] Voice 12: But again, it's just being realistic around like if we want the the full package. Right.

[2:05:19] Voice 12: Right. So I think it's

[2:05:20] Voice 12: better to start with the ambitious goal and then, you know, we can we can provide options.

[2:05:26] Voice 12: I

[2:05:26] Trustee Busheikin: appreciate that. It is good to be realistic because that just is what it takes.

[2:05:30] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to hear from Trustee Peterson and then go back to William.

[2:05:40] Voice 19: Yeah, thank you, Chair. I was just going to suggest that perhaps rather than trying to amend this motion,

[2:05:47] Voice 19: and we vote on this motion,

[2:05:50] Voice 19: and then we could do a separate one

[2:05:51] Voice 19: about sending some information to FPC.

[2:05:55] Trustee Busheikin: Let's do that.

[2:05:56] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I agree.

[2:05:58] Trustee Busheikin: It's feeling a little messy.

[2:05:59] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[2:06:01] Trustee Busheikin: Freshwater Specialist Schulbach, go ahead.

[2:06:03] Voice 2: Thank you, Trustee Bishakin.

[2:06:05] Voice 2: I mean, I like the original motion without the number

[2:06:10] Voice 2: because the next steps,

[2:06:12] Voice 2: I guess my point would be that

[2:06:16] Voice 2: that there are certain things that staff would like to do

[2:06:20] Voice 2: to ensure that the strategy itself is honoured

[2:06:24] Voice 2: and it's going to be communicated appropriately

[2:06:28] Voice 2: and kind of more on the planning scope.

[2:06:33] Voice 2: As a scientist, I'm really interested with what

[2:06:36] Voice 2: Trustee Patrick mentioned earlier about the amount of water,

[2:06:40] Voice 2: what's available and the equity that is surrounded that.

[2:06:44] Voice 2: that and that that's like real questions right that is going to be fundamental to some of the

[2:06:50] Voice 2: planning that we will be doing and that's going to take a whole project to understand who's involved

[2:06:59] Voice 2: who are our partners what are the roles and responsibilities of other agencies and how much

[2:07:04] Voice 2: that's going to cost and and i find that really exciting and and i believe that that would would

[2:07:09] Voice 2: would come out of the work that we're speaking to right now.

[2:07:13] Voice 2: So I wouldn't want to say that the maximum

[2:07:16] Voice 2: that we should spend on fresh water is $100,000,

[2:07:19] Voice 2: but I think if we have a specific ask,

[2:07:24] Voice 2: we can then put a dollar figure towards that.

[2:07:27] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so yeah, I like the idea

[2:07:30] Trustee Busheikin: of keeping the original motion.

[2:07:31] Trustee Busheikin: If we can, you know, and maybe we won't have a number

[2:07:34] Trustee Busheikin: at the end of this meeting,

[2:07:36] Trustee Busheikin: and it'll have to be a later budget request.

[2:07:38] Trustee Busheikin: I've seen that happen before.

[2:07:39] Trustee Busheikin: for trustee Patrick go ahead oh

[2:07:42] Trustee Patrick: no thank you William I think you did it because I was going

[2:07:45] Trustee Patrick: to say the same thing I think with the provincial strategy and funding I mean that's going to be a

[2:07:50] Trustee Patrick: big question mark how serious are they how much money do they bring to the table and those things

[2:07:54] Trustee Patrick: and the the the partnership piece is huge to this it's you know each of the regional districts have

[2:08:03] Trustee Patrick: a role to play in watershed protection and other things and um so i i think the the the direction

[2:08:10] Trustee Patrick: that to staff is sort of the you know what is what is reasonable now while we wait to see kind of

[2:08:18] Trustee Patrick: where what's going to come from the province and how how we respond to that so thank you

[2:08:26] Trustee Busheikin: okay i think we're ready to call the question on the motion which i'll just read it again is that

[2:08:32] Trustee Busheikin: regional planning committee to request staff to bring back a proposal for a budget request for

[2:08:36] Trustee Busheikin: next steps for the freshwater sustainability strategy and we don't numbers are not yet

[2:08:42] Trustee Busheikin: attached um so i'm going to call the question on that so everyone please raise your electronic hand

[2:08:48] Trustee Busheikin: if you're in favor okay i see nine in favor please lower your hands anyone opposed no one opposed so

[2:09:05] Trustee Busheikin: So that motion carries.

[2:09:08] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[2:09:11] Voice 2: Thank you chair for bringing that to the community.

[2:09:14] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, you're welcome.

[2:09:15] Trustee Busheikin: It's important and yeah, I won't say more.

[2:09:21] Trustee Busheikin: I could, yeah, that's okay.

[2:09:25] Trustee Busheikin: I will, I was disappointed that it wasn't better resource

[2:09:30] Trustee Busheikin: in this fiscal year.

[2:09:31] Trustee Busheikin: I will say that, but I think everyone who was

[2:09:34] Trustee Busheikin: at trust council at the budget discussions knows that.

[2:09:38] Trustee Busheikin: And just before we move on, you know, Director Chermak was talking about the importance of having some kind of clear request to financial planning committee about the budget.

[2:09:52] Trustee Busheikin: But it just sounds to me like we, that's why we need this work before we can do that.

[2:09:58] Trustee Busheikin: So it's going to have to be maybe come in later than would be ideal.

[2:10:03] Trustee Busheikin: I don't know if there's any way around that.

[2:10:07] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[2:10:08] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. And thank you, Staff Planner Chadwick and Freshwater Specialist Shulba for your input on all of this.

[2:10:20] Trustee Busheikin: The next thing on the agenda is it's a discussion item brought forward by Trustee Packer that I think is a big topic that we could spend the rest of the day on.

[2:10:29] Trustee Busheikin: What I'd like to suggest is that we give that, I would say about 15 minutes because it really is introducing the topic and we have things on the agenda that are actually continuations of long term work after that so that we give that about 15 minutes and then a break for lunch and then come back and go through the other things.

[2:10:54] Trustee Busheikin: uh the main thing is actually that housing advocacy which may be a long discussion and

[2:11:00] Trustee Busheikin: may not and then the letter which may and may not be a long discussion um so um then i'm going to

[2:11:07] Trustee Busheikin: turn it over to trustee patrick to introduce this topic and i want to thank you for being

[2:11:12] Trustee Busheikin: proactive and bringing it forward and i think it's

[2:11:16] Trustee Busheikin: important to to like make time for general

[2:11:19] Trustee Busheikin: discussions about big issues you know before they before pinning them down as projects

[2:11:28] Trustee Patrick: so go ahead no uh thank you uh jim per second um this is sort of been an observation on my part

[2:11:36] Trustee Patrick: from both being a trustee here on salt spring as well as a chair on several islands and seeing

[2:11:42] Trustee Patrick: many projects sort of begin and get going and you know whether or not they did good engagement in

[2:11:49] Trustee Patrick: beginning that's probably the not side uh with first nations but um getting close to a decision

[2:11:55] Trustee Patrick: point when you receive letters that either you know don't support it or ask for more involvement

[2:12:01] Trustee Patrick: um and so we're you know i know liskiti has a case with their ocp amendments uh i know keats island

[2:12:08] Trustee Patrick: the shoreline salt springs had um uh two projects the ganges and and uh and the accessory dwelling

[2:12:15] Trustee Patrick: units and um um you know so it's it's somewhat of a a trend and i and i know where we are now

[2:12:23] Trustee Patrick: is not where we're going to be in the future with with um respecting relationships with first

[2:12:29] Trustee Patrick: nations and you know hopefully we will we will get to that co-planning bar um you know at some

[2:12:36] Trustee Patrick: at some point in the future but today where we are as i look at this new set of trustees coming in

[2:12:43] Trustee Patrick: how do you make decisions today and it's like what's how do we feel we we were good and good

[2:12:51] Trustee Patrick: enough in our attempts to engage with first nations uh recognizing you know their uh capacity

[2:12:59] Trustee Patrick: issues our capacity issues um and i think that uh we need some sort of standard or bar that we can

[2:13:08] Trustee Patrick: say you know it's you know it may be a little different for each of the different areas in the

[2:13:12] Trustee Patrick: the nations that you're working with but do we need to do that and i was speaking with a regional

[2:13:18] Trustee Patrick: planning manager heather cower uh a few weeks ago and we we actually toyed around with well do we

[2:13:25] Trustee Patrick: stop doing land use bylaw projects and ocps until we figure something out and it was like when when

[2:13:32] Trustee Patrick: we had that conversation was like well that's what we got to have here at regional planning committee

[2:13:35] Trustee Patrick: um you know do we keep bumping along or do we stop and figure out like a today

[2:13:44] Trustee Patrick: answer to what you know is is the engagement we're doing um with first nations appropriate for

[2:13:51] Trustee Patrick: today and i think of when i say today in planning terms that's like the next

[2:13:56] Trustee Patrick: five years you know it's it's where we are right now so i think that just throw that out for for

[2:14:02] Trustee Patrick: discussion on how people feel about that and how important that is and thank

[2:14:09] Trustee Busheikin: you okay i see hands

[2:14:11] Trustee Busheikin: going up and um i'll just open it up to discussion so trustee wolverton and then stamford uh jane

[2:14:26] Trustee Busheikin: you're muted sorry

[2:14:29] Voice 5: sorry um i i think we need to do something much sooner than later i think we need

[2:14:35] Voice 5: to be we need protocols between um the trust and and various nations but we also need protocols

[2:14:45] Voice 5: between the local trust committees and nations and um i'll just i'll just give you an example

[2:14:53] Voice 5: of you know that for example some remains were uncovered on galliano and there there really is

[2:15:03] Voice 5: is no specific protocol for dealing with that.

[2:15:10] Voice 5: I mean, we did deal with it and we kind of bumped along with it,

[2:15:14] Voice 5: but it's really important that the nations,

[2:15:17] Voice 5: that we have those protocols.

[2:15:20] Voice 5: And the other thing I think is that, yes,

[2:15:23] Voice 5: we send all these referrals out, but we are not making it,

[2:15:27] Voice 5: the nations get hundreds of referrals.

[2:15:29] Voice 5: We are not making it possible for them to come and walk the land with, you know, whatever redevelopment is proposed and actually give, you know, give their views on the land.

[2:15:45] Voice 5: And I would like to see us be thinking of rather than land use, land relationship, that we start to really look at things in a totally different way.

[2:15:58] Voice 5: that's all thank

[2:16:03] Trustee Busheikin: you i'm just taking some notes because i found that really compelling trustee

[2:16:07] Trustee Busheikin: stamford go ahead um

[2:16:10] Trustee Stamford: yeah i'd hate to see us stop all uh ocp lub uh process because i'm not sure if

[2:16:17] Trustee Stamford: we'd ever get to a a point where um all our relationships with different first nations

[2:16:23] Trustee Stamford: are at the same place um and i actually was surprised you brought up um keats island

[2:16:31] Trustee Stamford: scenario because i feel there is engagement that is one of the place where we are getting pushback

[2:16:38] Trustee Stamford: from the local first nations and that has been really helpful in in determining how we move

[2:16:47] Trustee Stamford: forward it's when we get blanket answers that that are very unconnected that it becomes

[2:16:54] Trustee Stamford: problematic because you're not really sure if you're actually getting engagement um i think

[2:17:00] Trustee Stamford: think we have to recognize that every local trust area is at a different position. And it is not

[2:17:06] Trustee Stamford: just staffing. It's not just local trust areas and where they are politically. It's where the

[2:17:14] Trustee Stamford: First Nation is politically. For instance, for a couple of councils now, the Squamish Nation has

[2:17:25] Trustee Stamford: said, we're wanting to work on relationships, not so much on memorandums of understanding.

[2:17:31] Trustee Stamford: And then all of a sudden, it's now, if you want to talk to us, it's memorandums of understanding.

[2:17:40] Trustee Stamford: So we just work around that and work with that as much as we can. It's going to change again in a

[2:17:46] Trustee Stamford: few months. That's just our reality. So I'd like to see, if we're going forward, a recognition of

[2:17:54] Trustee Stamford: of how malleable the scenario is.

[2:17:57] Trustee Stamford: And that is our reality

[2:17:59] Trustee Stamford: and that's what it's gonna be like going forward.

[2:18:03] Voice 7: Thank you, interesting.

[2:18:07] Voice 7: Trustee Calderon.

[2:18:12] Voice 16: Yeah, I won't take more time just to say

[2:18:15] Voice 16: that I completely agree with Trustee Wolverton.

[2:18:18] Voice 16: Changing the language is part of it.

[2:18:20] Voice 16: I've raised land use before

[2:18:22] Voice 16: and that whole concept and approach.

[2:18:24] Voice 16: um uh the i met with chief and council of sunamook and gabriola island is different than the other

[2:18:31] Voice 16: islands within the gabriel local trust area and almost all the islands within the trust area

[2:18:36] Voice 16: itself and that there's one nation with clear rights and title and a reserve um on the island

[2:18:42] Voice 16: a half acre reserve um in my opinion the island's trust um has has no current place with that one

[2:18:51] Voice 16: one island in terms of decision making and and I found it to be the most difficult part of this job

[2:18:58] Voice 16: is is trying to sort of be true to some values and principles at the same time just things keep

[2:19:04] Voice 16: moving along there's a big difference between engagement and meaningful consultation and

[2:19:09] Voice 16: obviously the review that we're asking the province to do has that at the core of it

[2:19:12] Voice 16: your metal fundamentally change this but you know this is a huge issue I thank you trust Patrick for

[2:19:19] Voice 16: bringing it up and I fundamentally agree with what Trustee Wolverton said.

[2:19:26] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Any other

[2:19:29] Trustee Busheikin: comments going up? I'm actually, I'm looking for a quote and I mean and this is very high level and

[2:19:40] Trustee Busheikin: you know just really sharing this because it really struck me when Trustee Wolverton was

[2:19:46] Trustee Busheikin: was speaking about land use relationships

[2:19:51] Trustee Busheikin: or land relationships rather than planning.

[2:19:55] Trustee Busheikin: Some time ago, I was at a science center in Calgary

[2:19:59] Trustee Busheikin: and they had an art installation that had been created

[2:20:04] Trustee Busheikin: with collaboration with indigenous artists

[2:20:08] Trustee Busheikin: and settler artists.

[2:20:09] Trustee Busheikin: And there was a quote I liked so much.

[2:20:11] Trustee Busheikin: It made me actually think of our work

[2:20:13] Trustee Busheikin: because it's about science that I took a picture of. So I found it. In Western thought,

[2:20:20] Trustee Busheikin: everything scientific is measurable. If it's not measurable, it is not science. Simultaneously,

[2:20:27] Trustee Busheikin: in Indigenous cultures, everything is about relationships. If there's no relationship,

[2:20:32] Trustee Busheikin: then it's not scientific. I just found that fascinating as a challenge to my mindset,

[2:20:40] Trustee Busheikin: at like what is science and this yeah the point about relationships is huge um and I think

[2:20:47] Trustee Busheikin: ultimately we're heading to a really radical change I mean it might be gradual so maybe

[2:20:54] Trustee Busheikin: that's not radical in how we do what we do with our our land use planning um and I'm just it's it's

[2:21:05] Trustee Busheikin: I feel like we're so between a rock and a hard place and trustee Colburn talked about that you

[2:21:10] Trustee Busheikin: you know, we're going ahead with our work while this isn't this whole reconciliation, First

[2:21:16] Trustee Busheikin: Nations collaboration, respect, reconciliation, all that it's not in place yet, how we want it

[2:21:24] Trustee Busheikin: to be or how anyone wants it to be. And yet the world continues. It's really hard. And it's

[2:21:30] Trustee Busheikin: sometimes I worry that it's going to just and it has led to some really unfortunate situations and

[2:21:37] Trustee Busheikin: a painful situation so i don't really know the answer um i think you know we're gonna have to

[2:21:45] Trustee Busheikin: grapple with it more and more as trustees committees um i i don't think stopping everything

[2:21:52] Trustee Busheikin: also is is necessary or even a good idea um and i actually i really feel the loss of not having

[2:22:01] Trustee Busheikin: having that senior intergovernmental policy advisor position filled and I think we really

[2:22:11] Trustee Busheikin: need to get someone in that position and from what I've been hearing that position might need

[2:22:17] Trustee Busheikin: support staff as well and administrative staff and it's you know and then it comes down to our

[2:22:23] Trustee Busheikin: resources so it's tough but I think that we do need guidance and good support and leadership

[2:22:31] Trustee Busheikin: from staff and people working on this full time and people who can develop those relationships

[2:22:37] Trustee Busheikin: and ideally having ways to entice staff to stay a long time because it is so much about

[2:22:43] Trustee Busheikin: relationships so that's just my comment i'm going to go back to trustee patrick and then peterson

[2:22:48] Trustee Busheikin: and then i'm going to ask us to wrap this up and we'll go for lunch and we can talk about this some

[2:22:53] Trustee Busheikin: more

[2:22:53] Voice 3: well

[2:22:54] Trustee Patrick: i'm just trying to think of the term starting off and the advice that we could give

[2:23:00] Trustee Patrick: to the the the trustees that do of the day to start off on the right foot you know yes it's

[2:23:06] Trustee Patrick: a challenging you know you have to start off on the right feet i guess i'll use because we have

[2:23:10] Trustee Patrick: one foot in our communities and one foot into the uh and with first nations and uh you know how can

[2:23:16] Trustee Patrick: we do that in a solid way um to to move the dial anyway a bit forward to try to prevent some

[2:23:25] Trustee Patrick: some awkwardness as we run into these decisions because they are very difficult decisions to make

[2:23:30] Trustee Patrick: when you have kind of you know moral ethical questions up against where you are with the

[2:23:36] Trustee Patrick: so it's hard yeah

[2:23:38] Trustee Busheikin: um and perhaps because we will be coming to the letter to the next rpc and if

[2:23:44] Trustee Busheikin: you want over lunch to jot together a few sentences you'd like to add to that we could

[2:23:48] Trustee Busheikin: look at that um trustee peterson yeah

[2:23:53] Voice 19: thank you chair yeah so i think for me uh your your mention

[2:23:57] Voice 19: of uh you know getting a proper support for the uh for a new intergovernmental uh policy advisor

[2:24:05] Voice 19: i mean that it's essential um what's happened on the skidi is that we got a uh response to

[2:24:12] Voice 19: referral and then due to staffing issues in the northern office and um just the realities of of

[2:24:21] Voice 19: the changing of the guard there with lisa leaving unfortunately um you know a letter did not get

[2:24:28] Voice 19: back to them stating that we were we were wanting you know willing to engage with them for like a

[2:24:34] Voice 19: shockingly long period of time this is really unfortunate because you know

[2:24:40] Trustee Busheikin: someone has background

[2:24:41] Trustee Busheikin: background noise thanks we

[2:24:44] Voice 19: basically we basically paused our our our entire OCP process um you know

[2:24:51] Voice 19: wanting to respect a request to engage with us and um and due to you know circumstances beyond

[2:24:58] Voice 19: the LTC's control and and um you know there was this huge delay which may be seen um in a poor

[2:25:08] Voice 19: light from the first nation uh so that's really unfortunate so i would just advocate that um

[2:25:15] Voice 19: you know obviously if if that wasn't the case and they just had a request to to engage with us and

[2:25:22] Voice 19: then never got back to us that that would sort of lead us to go well okay you know spend enough time

[2:25:28] Voice 19: has passed we've got to move on here but when when we've dropped the ball because of uh of problems

[2:25:36] Voice 19: gaps within our organization then that's a whole different story and it's been really extremely

[2:25:43] Voice 19: frustrating and so i i absolutely think it's imperative that we find the staffing to move

[2:25:51] Voice 19: this forward it's it's you know we've made the reconciliation declaration we need to put our

[2:25:57] Voice 19: money where our mouth is on this and make sure that there is adequate funding because i'd hate

[2:26:03] Voice 19: to see this type of situation that's happened on musketeer happen anywhere else and i'd certainly

[2:26:08] Voice 19: hate to see it happen again here uh like i said it's been very frustrating because we've paused

[2:26:15] Voice 19: our process for months and months and months and um and at the same time you know it took until

[2:26:22] Voice 19: i think between november until june until an official notice went back to that first nation

[2:26:29] Voice 19: that this is what was happening all of that time they they got radio silence from us and and that's

[2:26:36] Voice 19: not appropriate and so i just want to i just want to just i'll just restate i think we need to

[2:26:42] Voice 19: adequately fund um engagement in a way that um that signals not only that where it's a priority

[2:26:52] Voice 19: for us but that also helps us achieve better outcomes okay

[2:26:56] Trustee Busheikin: thank you um yeah um again there

[2:27:01] Trustee Busheikin: there could be a sentence or two brought forward to add to that letter after lunch. I would like

[2:27:08] Trustee Busheikin: to break very, very soon so we can have, I want to give us a full 45 minutes for lunch so we can

[2:27:13] Trustee Busheikin: stretch and think and, or not think, rest our brains. So ex officio, I will give you the last

[2:27:22] Trustee Busheikin: couple of minutes.

[2:27:26] Trustee Luckham: Oh, thank you. I lowered my hand. I thought I wasn't going to get the chance.

[2:27:29] Trustee Luckham: I just think an important element of all of this to recall is this is very difficult, and there'll be unhappy people on both sides of the fence, I'll just say, with respect to ongoing delays and or not doing work.

[2:27:48] Trustee Luckham: There'll be unhappy people everywhere as well as there would be advancing it.

[2:27:53] Trustee Luckham: However, the other thing that I can't just help but reflect upon is part of the Island's Trust mandate is to work with First Nations. That's been identified through the policy statement process, that responsibility that has been handed off to us.

[2:28:06] Trustee Luckham: And we still have not actually advanced significantly a policy statement that embraces some of the policy that we need to have in place to give ourselves the permission to be able to do this work and advance this work in a confident and fund as a strategic plan item that it's supported within our policy and our mandate is really critically important to advancing this work.

[2:28:31] Trustee Luckham: work.

[2:28:33] Trustee Busheikin: Good point. Thank you. So thanks for this discussion and we can mull it over. I'm going to

[2:28:39] Trustee Busheikin: give us a 45 minute break. Is that fine? Sometimes I say half an hour, but I feel like that it's a

[2:28:47] Trustee Busheikin: little tight. Please stretch, step outside if you can, and be ready for the final topics. And we'll

[2:29:01] Trustee Busheikin: We'll see everyone at 1.15.

[2:29:04] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:10:57] Voice 3: right because he's gone hello everyone

[3:12:49] Trustee Busheikin: will give people that one extra minute that often seems to

[3:12:56] Trustee Busheikin: be the thing that's needed and

[3:13:03] Voice 15: when you're ready to reconvene we may have to confirm

[3:13:06] Voice 15: that you have quorum chair

[3:13:08] Trustee Busheikin: right oh that would really be um unfortunate um

[3:13:14] Trustee Busheikin: i'm

[3:13:15] Voice 3: here laura okay

[3:13:17] Trustee Busheikin: thanks that kate

[3:13:19] Voice 3: lou is good i i need to get my so let's see um if

[3:13:57] Trustee Busheikin: we have

[3:13:58] Trustee Busheikin: quorum we've got me one two three tim are you there not yet we've got as far as i know

[3:14:11] Trustee Busheikin: five well we don't know hang on oh my screen's like jumping around uh scott is your hand up to

[3:14:18] Trustee Busheikin: tell me you're here i'm gonna assume that's what it was hi i'm here you're here okay so i think we

[3:14:29] Trustee Busheikin: it's five right so we've got me trustee patrick trustee wolverton uh peterson

[3:14:36] Voice 19: just had to feed

[3:14:36] Voice 19: the babies

[3:14:37] Trustee Busheikin: great stanford and colburn we and um i wonder if doug is there as well in the attendees

[3:14:45] Trustee Busheikin: these i don't know there's a calling number but last time it showed his name so he's been having

[3:14:51] Trustee Busheikin: he's emailed me a few times he's having those pesky uh connection troubles it's um oh maybe

[3:15:00] Trustee Busheikin: that's him one seven seven

[3:15:02] Voice 3: hello hi

[3:15:03] Trustee Busheikin: that's you you're one seven seven eight nine oh two oh eight

[3:15:06] Trustee Busheikin: seven two doug yes

[3:15:09] Voice 10: okay well

[3:15:10] Voice 10: that's my voice welcome i'll be changing

[3:15:13] Voice 10: to my uh cell once

[3:15:15] Voice 10: foot okay probably

[3:15:16] Voice 10: half an hour just you know

[3:15:18] Trustee Busheikin: okay um so uh welcome everyone i reconvene the

[3:15:23] Trustee Busheikin: beaning after our lunch break um welcome back and um any members of the public listening i welcome

[3:15:30] Trustee Busheikin: you also we are going to move ahead the next item on our agenda is it was a late item so it wasn't

[3:15:38] Trustee Busheikin: directly in the package um but i believe the package gets updated after the meeting so it

[3:15:45] Trustee Busheikin: would be there in the future and this um i think i'll just go ahead and introduce this because this

[3:15:51] Trustee Busheikin: is uh come back uh from a trustee rpc member working group um and this is the working group

[3:16:00] Trustee Busheikin: on housing affordability advocacy just to get the history because it's a bit of a windy road.

[3:16:08] Trustee Busheikin: Trustees Colborne and Patrick brought forward a request for decision to trust council and I

[3:16:14] Trustee Busheikin: want to thank you for that because a lot of work went into that that is you know proven to certainly

[3:16:20] Trustee Busheikin: at the very least stimulate further discussion and good discussion and quite possibly action

[3:16:26] Trustee Busheikin: and it was about making a request to the province around housing advocacy so that went to council

[3:16:34] Trustee Busheikin: council just wanted some more thoughts on it or some you know more in-depth look at it they sent

[3:16:41] Trustee Busheikin: it to our pc to us we looked at it we discussed it at the end of that discussion we created a

[3:16:49] Trustee Busheikin: working group to analyze it some more and to come back um the instructions was to come back with a

[3:16:55] Trustee Busheikin: a letter. So this is what's coming back. It's not quite a letter, partly because they're just

[3:17:02] Trustee Busheikin: given summer holidays and, you know, the difficulty of meeting and all of that. We

[3:17:08] Trustee Busheikin: didn't have time for a letter, but also one of the things discussed is that we don't tend to bring

[3:17:15] Trustee Busheikin: letters forward for approval because, well, because it can just devolve into everyone has

[3:17:25] Trustee Busheikin: has favorite words and phrases and lengths of paragraphs and political shadings they want to

[3:17:31] Trustee Busheikin: put in or take out. And you just can't, I mean, even us, you know, seven to nine of us, let alone

[3:17:37] Trustee Busheikin: trust counsel, approving a letter is difficult. So the way it's usually done is there's a proposal

[3:17:44] Trustee Busheikin: to do a letter and staff do it and work with a chair of whatever body it's coming from. So

[3:17:50] Trustee Busheikin: So there's a suggestion to trust counsel about a letter.

[3:18:03] Trustee Busheikin: There's an attachment with some potential key concepts

[3:18:10] Trustee Busheikin: and perhaps phrasing for the letter.

[3:18:12] Trustee Busheikin: And there's three other requests.

[3:18:17] Trustee Busheikin: One is to have a communications and advocacy strategy

[3:18:22] Trustee Busheikin: to go with this letter.

[3:18:24] Trustee Busheikin: So it talks about a communication strategy,

[3:18:26] Trustee Busheikin: but that may also include something like the PowerPoint

[3:18:30] Trustee Busheikin: for Union of BC Municipalities when we hosted breakfast.

[3:18:37] Trustee Busheikin: It could be something like that.

[3:18:38] Trustee Busheikin: And then two separate recommendations for next term,

[3:18:44] Trustee Busheikin: a panel about affordable housing challenges

[3:18:47] Trustee Busheikin: and a round table.

[3:18:48] Trustee Busheikin: The panel would be primarily for trustees. The roundtable would be more of a working discussion group to maybe move some things forward.

[3:19:01] Trustee Busheikin: So that's what you have before you. And it has been discussed.

[3:19:05] Trustee Busheikin: It was a great discussion and it gave us all a lot to think about.

[3:19:09] Trustee Busheikin: It has been changed quite a bit from the original request.

[3:19:12] Trustee Busheikin: request. And one of the main changes is the original request suggested doing something

[3:19:17] Trustee Busheikin: that's never been done, which is using a section of the Islands Trust Act that gives us the power

[3:19:22] Trustee Busheikin: to request, to make a request to the, I think it's called the Lieutenant Governor in Council of BC.

[3:19:30] Trustee Busheikin: And that was what was originally in this motion to council. But we, after a lot of talking and

[3:19:41] Trustee Busheikin: and consulting with staff decided it's better

[3:19:42] Trustee Busheikin: just to go to the province

[3:19:44] Trustee Busheikin: and probably it would be the minister of housing

[3:19:46] Trustee Busheikin: and maybe add the minister responsible

[3:19:49] Trustee Busheikin: for the trust with municipal affairs.

[3:19:52] Trustee Busheikin: And just one more thing to add

[3:19:53] Trustee Busheikin: before I open this to discussion,

[3:19:57] Trustee Busheikin: that if this goes forward,

[3:19:59] Trustee Busheikin: there will be more involvement of trust area services staff

[3:20:05] Trustee Busheikin: to finesse the content and the language and the approach.

[3:20:11] Trustee Busheikin: We did get some support from Director Prater on this, which was invaluable.

[3:20:17] Trustee Busheikin: And I think as many of us know, our most successful advocacy has rested on

[3:20:28] Trustee Busheikin: like fairly extensive research and shaping from staff.

[3:20:34] Trustee Busheikin: So as she said, well, I'm happy to see this go out, but I would love to have time to,

[3:20:38] Trustee Busheikin: for instance call staff at the ministry call staff at bc housing feel them out see what which

[3:20:46] Trustee Busheikin: aspects of this are most likely to land positively and get an ear to take it further are there other

[3:20:52] Trustee Busheikin: things going on you know that we don't know about that we can tie into where can we find allies um

[3:20:59] Trustee Busheikin: what you know even yeah other words we shouldn't use even like there's a lot of um yeah a lot more

[3:21:07] Trustee Busheikin: more could be done. And if this goes ahead, you know, between now and Trust Council, some of that

[3:21:13] Trustee Busheikin: work could get done to finesse this, but we are giving the marching orders here if we go ahead

[3:21:20] Trustee Busheikin: with this. So I'm going to open it up for questions, comments, discussion, suggestions, and I see

[3:21:27] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Colburn has his hand up. So you have the floor.

[3:21:33] Voice 16: Thank you very much, Chair, and thank you for the work you put into this personally and staff put in.

[3:21:37] Voice 16: I just wanted to raise one point that we talked about UBCM has a motion going forward from I

[3:21:44] Voice 16: believe it's from AVIC that's about affordable housing in rural communities and one of the

[3:21:51] Voice 16: discussion topics is that if you look at the needs assessments and you look at the social

[3:21:54] Voice 16: need assessment that was done on behalf of the Gabriel local trust committee many islands are

[3:22:01] Voice 16: actually in worse shape in terms of the numbers and the demographic information than a lot of

[3:22:06] Voice 16: the rural communities and so this sort of builds on top of that uh motion at ubcm and draws the

[3:22:13] Voice 16: government's attention as they enter and hopefully review the trust and and bc housing funding that

[3:22:19] Voice 16: that there's some um long-term endemic issues so um with the chair's permission i don't think

[3:22:25] Voice 16: they're the hands up so i'll go ahead and move this motion would you like me to read it out in

[3:22:29] Voice 16: full or um just the recommendation i

[3:22:31] Trustee Busheikin: think that's a good idea for people who may be listening um

[3:22:34] Trustee Busheikin: on the phone or will be listening in the future on the phone okay why

[3:22:38] Trustee Busheikin: don't we take it i would

[3:22:41] Trustee Busheikin: suggest that okay now let's just do the whole motion and see how that goes because we could

[3:22:50] Trustee Busheikin: break up too but let's go ahead it's yeah okay

[3:22:53] Voice 16: i i move that the regional planning committee

[3:22:55] Voice 16: requests the rpc chair to work with staff to develop an rfd to trust council recommending

[3:22:59] Voice 16: the trust council right to the province to outline the particular housing affordability

[3:23:03] Voice 16: affordability challenge in the trust area and request that the province explore what can be

[3:23:08] Voice 16: done to create housing solutions specific to rural islands in the trust area including options for

[3:23:12] Voice 16: stable secure funding request the executive committee to develop communication strategy

[3:23:17] Voice 16: materials to support awareness of the housing affordability advocacy requests and rationale

[3:23:21] Voice 16: host a session with a panel about affordable housing challenges and solutions in the trust

[3:23:25] Voice 16: area as part of a trustee education and de-coordinate a round table on housing to

[3:23:31] Voice 16: to include BC Housing, key ministers,

[3:23:33] Voice 16: housing leaders from the Island communities

[3:23:34] Voice 16: and others in the first six months of the new term.

[3:23:38] Voice 7: Thank

[3:23:38] Trustee Busheikin: you, do we have a seconder?

[3:23:41] Trustee Busheikin: Jane seconded it, Jane and Patrick simultaneously.

[3:23:45] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, do you, you spoke already?

[3:23:49] Trustee Busheikin: Do you want to speak more to your motion right now?

[3:23:51] Voice 16: No, no, I just wanted to bring up the UBCM motion

[3:23:54] Voice 16: because I believe that-

[3:23:55] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, that's a good point

[3:23:56] Trustee Busheikin: and thank you for bringing that up.

[3:23:58] Trustee Busheikin: And just, I will add, I'm really in response

[3:24:01] Trustee Busheikin: to what Trustee Colburn brought up about the many of the islands in the trust area being in

[3:24:07] Trustee Busheikin: even worse circumstances. I was originally skeptical about that. And I did look at some

[3:24:13] Trustee Busheikin: of the statistics. They're quite shocking, some of them, like the average or median household

[3:24:21] Trustee Busheikin: income on I think it was Hornby was almost half of the BC median income. That's a lot less. And

[3:24:29] Trustee Busheikin: And there was one on Denman, too, for the lone parent families of being, I think, 70 percent lower than the median lone parent income for the province.

[3:24:41] Trustee Busheikin: And I know some of those single parent families and it is heartbreaking to see how they live.

[3:24:48] Trustee Busheikin: so and um the statistics were originally in the attachment and director freighter um

[3:24:59] Trustee Busheikin: did not want them there because they're from 2016 and she says if this went forward she would

[3:25:06] Trustee Busheikin: analyze the current census statistics and make sure that the facts are correct um that's very

[3:25:14] Trustee Busheikin: very important that the statistics are up to date and absolutely verified, but some of those

[3:25:19] Trustee Busheikin: could be in there. And that's all I'll say for now. I will turn to Trustee Wolverton and then

[3:25:26] Trustee Busheikin: Patrick.

[3:25:28] Voice 5: Yes, I was just going to say that I think it's important to include the latest census

[3:25:34] Voice 5: census figures, the 2021 census, and also the information we have on the vulnerability of

[3:25:44] Voice 5: children, because that's of particular importance on the islands. And so those are things,

[3:25:52] Voice 5: the vulnerability is exacerbated by the housing, you know, somewhat by the housing

[3:26:00] Voice 5: crisis that we face here. Thanks.

[3:26:02] Trustee Busheikin: Yes. Thank you. And just before we go to Trustee Patrick,

[3:26:06] Trustee Busheikin: Director Frater, are you here on the call right now? There you are.

[3:26:13] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. So you'll be taking

[3:26:16] Trustee Busheikin: this in because likely if this goes forward, it'll land on your desk, or hopefully. So the

[3:26:22] Trustee Busheikin: piece about the vulnerability of children and the up-to-date census statistics, it's taking that in.

[3:26:27] Trustee Busheikin: and we don't do these motions.

[3:26:29] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, great.

[3:26:30] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Patrick.

[3:26:33] Trustee Patrick: Oops, I hit the wrong button.

[3:26:35] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I think it is alarming when you look at the data

[3:26:39] Trustee Patrick: and a lot of these reports,

[3:26:41] Trustee Patrick: luckily the CRD did a whole bunch of reports just this year.

[3:26:44] Trustee Patrick: So 2022, and then the census,

[3:26:47] Trustee Patrick: and just on like Salt Spring,

[3:26:50] Trustee Patrick: we are aging at a pace that's unbelievable.

[3:26:55] Trustee Patrick: like on salt spring 160 people between 15 and 64 in this last census to 800 over 64

[3:27:06] Trustee Patrick: or over 65 you know so it's it's uh we're down to 54 percent of uh sort of below that bracket and

[3:27:15] Trustee Patrick: it's becoming unsustainable at a huge rate so i think there's a lot of education we can do i think

[3:27:22] Trustee Patrick: a lot of people think of our islands as a wealthy enclave, which it certainly is. And I think a lot

[3:27:28] Trustee Patrick: of people turn a blind eye to what's happening and the inequalities that are here. And so I think

[3:27:34] Trustee Patrick: it's on to us to do that education and support and help bring attention. And the reports that

[3:27:40] Trustee Patrick: were done really showed the added cost. It's one thing to build on Vancouver Island. It's a whole

[3:27:45] Trustee Patrick: another thing to build anything on our islands you know one more one more ferry we all know it um so

[3:27:52] Trustee Patrick: i absolutely support this thank

[3:27:56] Voice 3: you anyone else okay

[3:28:01] Trustee Busheikin: not seeing any more hands for discussion

[3:28:04] Trustee Busheikin: i will go ahead and call the question on this um on the motion so all in favor raise your electronic

[3:28:12] Trustee Busheikin: hands please okay i see seven hands raised so please lower those hands okay anyone opposed

[3:28:26] Trustee Busheikin: so that motion passes unanimously thank you i want to thank um director freighter for her

[3:28:35] Trustee Busheikin: support and i want to thank the members of the committee so that was myself and trustee patrick

[3:28:41] Trustee Busheikin: wolverton and colburn all put um lots of work into this and again uh thanks to trustee pat

[3:28:48] Trustee Busheikin: and Colburn for getting this housing ball rolling, so to speak. Now we have, let me just

[3:28:57] Trustee Busheikin: my agenda here, the housing advocacy. So I think we're on to the, oh, right, we've got heritage.

[3:29:10] Trustee Busheikin: No, sorry, we don't. Okay, so we're on to our new items, right? There was an item that

[3:29:18] Trustee Busheikin: about a grant that I think

[3:29:24] Trustee Busheikin: Narissa Planner-Chadwick was going to speak to.

[3:29:27] Trustee Busheikin: So are you on the call out there right now,

[3:29:31] Trustee Busheikin: Planner-Chadwick?

[3:29:36] Trustee Busheikin: Maybe not yet.

[3:29:38] Trustee Busheikin: Can someone send her,

[3:29:39] Trustee Busheikin: someone, a staff person,

[3:29:40] Trustee Busheikin: just send her an email?

[3:29:42] Voice 17: I will do so, Madam Chair.

[3:29:44] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, great.

[3:29:47] Trustee Busheikin: And the other one,

[3:29:49] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Peterson,

[3:29:50] Trustee Busheikin: And it was the bit about the piece about the shoreline beach accesses.

[3:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: So let's just see if Narissa gets here.

[3:30:05] Trustee Busheikin: Or why don't, if you're sending her an email,

[3:30:07] Trustee Busheikin: just give, say like in a couple of minutes

[3:30:09] Trustee Busheikin: and let's go ahead with the beach accesses.

[3:30:13] Trustee Busheikin: So-

[3:30:13] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, thanks, chairs.

[3:30:15] Trustee Busheikin: You have the floor.

[3:30:17] Voice 19: So yeah, just speaking to Claire the other day,

[3:30:22] Voice 19: there's, of course, there's a,

[3:30:23] Voice 19: many of you know, there's a public access

[3:30:26] Voice 19: that's before the Supreme Court's on Laskiti.

[3:30:29] Voice 19: and um one of the things that's brought up is people questioning where are the public accesses

[3:30:36] Voice 19: on our island so um uh and claire mentioned that maybe our rpc might be the place to look at

[3:30:45] Voice 19: getting mapping for public accesses done um and then i talked to uh chair bruce jacob and she

[3:30:59] Voice 19: So I just wanted to see quickly if other trustees are aware of resources for mapping to public

[3:31:10] Voice 19: accesses before I, you know, ask for any Islands Trust resources to go into that, because I

[3:31:19] Voice 19: think it's one of these things that it's important for the public to have awareness of where

[3:31:25] Voice 19: they are.

[3:31:26] Voice 19: And of course, there's lots of cases where private adjacent landowners will sort of encroach on those accesses if they're not being actively used.

[3:31:35] Voice 19: So I'd love to hear from other trustees about any information they have on that.

[3:31:44] Voice 7: Trustee Wolverton and then Stanford.

[3:31:47] Voice 5: So on Galliano, those are all managed by the Galliano Island Parks and Rec Commission.

[3:31:53] Voice 5: so they manage all I think we have 58 shore accesses and they're all each one has a steward

[3:32:03] Voice 5: as well and I think I'm just trying to think if the CRD well the CRD funds the the parks and recs

[3:32:15] Voice 5: I don't know if that's where they get the bulk of their funding but it is they are all mapped

[3:32:21] Voice 5: and there are like there's a map for their maps for the public to take and access the

[3:32:28] Voice 5: the different accesses

[3:32:30] Trustee Patrick: I'll send you a link CRD has a whole page on the Galliano that's 69

[3:32:38] Trustee Busheikin: uh trustee Stanford and then Dodds yes

[3:32:42] Trustee Stamford: thank you on um in our area I seem to remember seeing a map

[3:32:46] Trustee Stamford: where the regional district had put access public access the only thing is it's identified but not

[3:32:53] Trustee Stamford: ground trade so I noticed that several access on the map were actually off cliffs and there is

[3:33:02] Trustee Stamford: is a very serious problem on our island in particular where there is private land enroachment

[3:33:10] Trustee Stamford: and not a recognition that these areas are actually public land so that is quite a big

[3:33:16] Trustee Stamford: issue i would tread carefully um on my particular island um as to how i approached communicating

[3:33:25] Trustee Stamford: that

[3:33:26] Voice 3: trustee dodds

[3:33:29] Voice 6: yeah

[3:33:30] Voice 8: similar to galley and i think in all the southern gulf islands our crd

[3:33:34] Voice 8: all our parks commissions manage under an agreement with ministry transport the actual

[3:33:40] Voice 8: beach accesses and certainly in the past there was trespass and there have been battles over

[3:33:46] Voice 8: public access to the beach that people assumed were their own personal private park and beach

[3:33:51] Voice 8: accesses but ours are clearly marked and even on our our land use bylaw map i think all of

[3:33:57] Voice 8: ours show there's there's certainly never been a question about where they are for the last few

[3:34:03] Voice 8: years so it's well well recorded another

[3:34:11] Voice 3: issue uh

[3:34:13] Trustee Busheikin: sorry i was mute uh trustee

[3:34:16] Trustee Busheikin: okay uh trustee dons are you done i'm done thank you okay uh trustee peterson yeah well thanks

[3:34:27] Voice 19: everybody for that um information it's interesting to know that the crd has done that so maybe i'll

[3:34:33] Voice 19: talk to our regional director and just to uh kate louise's point there i know for a fact um in the

[3:34:40] Voice 19: 70s, a number of public accesses on Lusketi were created that are totally not accessible,

[3:34:48] Voice 19: i.e. the cliff story. So I know that at least on Lusketi, the ground truthing might not show that

[3:34:58] Voice 19: there's an actual accessible access in some cases. The local highways department at the time was

[3:35:07] Voice 19: sort of entrusted with uh deciding what was appropriate and and sort of got a rubber stamp

[3:35:13] Voice 19: through the ministry so i know we have some actual cliff top accesses on the skeety so thanks thanks

[3:35:23] Voice 19: for giving me the space to ask that question chair and and thanks everybody for your response yeah

[3:35:28] Trustee Busheikin: and i actually see two more hands and i did actually want to make a comment although i did

[3:35:32] Trustee Busheikin: communicate privately with you just that there's like a sensitivity with making them public in that

[3:35:39] Trustee Busheikin: like there's been occasional discussions on Denman Facebook in Denman Facebook groups about

[3:35:48] Trustee Busheikin: you know let's reclaim these public accesses especially if they know that a private landowner

[3:35:54] Trustee Busheikin: seems to be kind of dominating it which people do and it's sort of like let's go and make it public

[3:36:01] Trustee Busheikin: and let's clear it and let's you know make it so you can drive to the beach there and let's like

[3:36:05] Trustee Busheikin: and that's not really a very good thing either um that because these are and you can talk to

[3:36:13] Trustee Busheikin: someone there's people in conservancy i've talked to about this i think i can't maybe even kate like

[3:36:18] Trustee Busheikin: the they're aware of the public right of ways you know especially the beach access ones and they see

[3:36:26] Trustee Busheikin: them as little mini um conservation sites in a way if they're undisturbed and and of course they

[3:36:34] Trustee Busheikin: could be disturbed although not if they're at a cliff and there's ones on denman that are completely

[3:36:38] Trustee Busheikin: useless as well but they even like you they're just small but they do provide a lovely habitat

[3:36:45] Trustee Busheikin: so the way in which it's presented to the public that these are available should stress that that

[3:36:50] Trustee Busheikin: That doesn't mean, oh, let's go clear it and hold bonfire parties there.

[3:36:56] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[3:36:57] Trustee Busheikin: And now we have more discussions.

[3:37:00] Trustee Busheikin: So Trustee Dodds, your hand is still up.

[3:37:02] Trustee Busheikin: So you can leave it there if you did want to comment again.

[3:37:05] Trustee Busheikin: But I'm going to go to Stamford and then Wolverton and then back to you if you want.

[3:37:09] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, I think we probably all had the same 1911 surveyor that just sat with a map and drew lines everywhere.

[3:37:17] Trustee Stamford: everywhere because a lot of them, at least in my area, being so steep, it just doesn't make a lot

[3:37:23] Trustee Stamford: of sense. But sensitivity should be the word when we're moving forward on this. I do think it's

[3:37:31] Trustee Stamford: a worthwhile consideration.

[3:37:35] Voice 8: Hey, trustee Wilberton.

[3:37:41] Voice 5: You need to unmute. Sorry. We did have a situation

[3:37:45] Voice 5: where we had a well we still do have a double wide access and the owner on one side wanted to buy

[3:37:53] Voice 5: you know one of the one parcel and and actually sort of put their chairs out and really tried to

[3:38:00] Voice 5: make it uncomfortable for anyone passing by after they had cleared all the screen that was sort of

[3:38:06] Voice 5: between them and the trail down but the other one the person on the other side said well then I'd

[3:38:12] Voice 5: like to buy this one and then you know we'd have no beach access so it was it was it was kind of a

[3:38:18] Voice 5: funny uh debate uh

[3:38:22] Trustee Busheikin: trusty dots yes i

[3:38:23] Voice 8: just wanted to say these these things exist because when you

[3:38:27] Voice 8: subdivide even in 1911 for every quarter mile of waterfront the regulation is that you have to give

[3:38:33] Voice 8: up 66 foot wide right away to the waterfront that is a rule so some of them are doubles because when

[3:38:41] Voice 8: a subdivision was done, if that was the best location. Some of them definitely are cliffside,

[3:38:46] Voice 8: but they are all public accesses to the foreshore. Doesn't mean you can climb down the cliff to get

[3:38:52] Voice 8: to the ocean, but you do get a view. So that's why these things exist. It wasn't just some surveyor

[3:38:57] Voice 8: who decided to do this on all the islands. It is a requirement of subdivision process and always

[3:39:03] Voice 8: has been. And fortunately for us in the Southern Islands, the CRD and the Parks Commissions

[3:39:07] Voice 8: manage these beach accesses and that's really the perfect solution and some of them could just be

[3:39:13] Voice 8: conservation areas or just viewpoints

[3:39:15] Trustee Busheikin: yeah we had a double wide one on devon that recently became a

[3:39:21] Trustee Busheikin: park and the regional district built stairs down to the beach it's quite lovely and and helped with

[3:39:26] Trustee Busheikin: a transportation challenge um i think we should i think this has been great and actually there's a

[3:39:32] Trustee Busheikin: lot to talk about about right-of-ways and beach accesses but we did we invited uh planner chadwick

[3:39:39] Trustee Busheikin: back and she's probably waiting there so um trustee peterson you got some good information

[3:39:44] Trustee Busheikin: yeah i think yeah yeah i i think so thanks so excuse me planner chadwick um

[3:39:53] Trustee Busheikin: can you please present this um late item about the uh grant monies certainly

[3:40:00] Voice 12: yeah thank you uh

[3:40:01] Voice 12: Yeah, so this this has come to you as a late, late item it's a it's a request from immerse the interest Institute for multidisciplinary ecological research in the Salish Sea.

[3:40:15] Voice 12: They're located on Galliano Island, Janine Jorgensen, I know some of you are familiar with who she is she is the manager.

[3:40:24] Voice 12: So it is an indigenous-led organization, and there are a number of folks that are involved in their project, GIS experts and scientists, and they've been doing some really great work on Galliano.

[3:40:44] Voice 12: So we, if you recall, we, as part of the funding that we had received from Healthy Watersheds last year, we had moved $16,000 to them last fall to support their project.

[3:41:05] Voice 12: so they'd sort of been fumbling around with their project. They had a very clear vision and they'd

[3:41:11] Voice 12: been working at whatever they could, given whatever funding they had. So that $16,000

[3:41:16] Voice 12: that we gave them really pushed them ahead in terms of, it was very significant for them in

[3:41:25] Voice 12: terms of, well a number of things, including engaging elders in their process. So they're

[3:41:32] Voice 12: They're very focused on, they've been doing mapping in specific areas of, they've been

[3:41:41] Voice 12: sort of collecting the data and doing an inventory of plants in specific areas on Galeano and

[3:41:47] Voice 12: consulting elders to get the histories of the area.

[3:41:52] Voice 12: And then they're also placing quite a significant focus on language and getting language holders

[3:42:01] Voice 12: to share traditional names of plants and animals and such with the project

[3:42:08] Voice 12: and also with the Indigenous youth on the island as well.

[3:42:13] Voice 12: So the Healthy Watersheds project, there's a new funding program

[3:42:20] Voice 12: that is focusing on Indigenous watershed-related projects.

[3:42:25] Voice 12: and there was an ask early ask and the ask was uh or uh or an early proposal so it was out to um

[3:42:38] Voice 12: those who had worked either with indigenous organizations or the indigenous organizations

[3:42:44] Voice 12: that had worked with organizations that had been part of the previous funding pool so i um

[3:42:51] Voice 12: had encouraged them to apply on their own for this funding, and they did. And they are

[3:43:02] Voice 12: set up to, you know, potentially receive $38,000. What's holding them back is that they don't yet

[3:43:09] Voice 12: have their registered charitable funding status. So they're not actually able to

[3:43:14] Voice 12: to receive the funding themselves.

[3:43:17] Voice 12: So they've asked us whether we could essentially,

[3:43:21] Voice 12: you know, partner with them to receive the funding

[3:43:23] Voice 12: and move it over to their project.

[3:43:27] Voice 12: So in order to do this,

[3:43:29] Voice 12: you know, it'll take a few hours of administrative time

[3:43:35] Voice 12: on our part to, you know, go through our process.

[3:43:40] Voice 12: process. So that's one thing to keep in mind. And obviously also needs to have political

[3:43:49] Voice 12: support. So that's what is presented before you. I do have a resolution. I did send it

[3:43:58] Voice 12: to Robert. I'm not sure if he's able to flip it up for you. Robert, I sent you a revised

[3:44:07] Voice 12: resolution. Otherwise, I can just speak to it. And the money will be going to further

[3:44:12] Voice 12: their work. And again, like a big focus of it is engaging elders and knowledge holders. And

[3:44:21] Voice 12: that's going to be a significant part of this next part of their work. So I'm happy to answer

[3:44:27] Voice 12: questions um or uh or go straight

[3:44:30] Voice 3: to the the the proposed resolution you're you're muted

[3:44:44] Voice 3: laura it looks like robert it looks

[3:44:47] Voice 12: like you actually put it up there and then you

[3:44:49] Voice 12: you jumped past it yeah

[3:44:54] Trustee Busheikin: well uh thank you um norissa for that um explanation it sounds like

[3:45:00] Trustee Busheikin: an amazing project the way you describe it um and uh really worthy of uh supporting them i know it's

[3:45:08] Trustee Busheikin: little bit of extra admin for us um but um yeah well there's a motion so does anyone else have

[3:45:17] Trustee Busheikin: any comments or questions no

[3:45:20] Voice 3: then would someone like to make the motion anyone oh okay thank you

[3:45:30] Voice 3: trustee wolverton go ahead uh you oh i would

[3:45:40] Voice 5: sorry i would move that the regional planning

[3:45:44] Voice 5: committee support a partnership with immerse institute for multidisciplinary psychological

[3:45:49] Voice 5: political research in the Salish Sea to help facilitate movement of funding from the province

[3:45:54] Voice 5: to advance, I don't know how to pronounce that, Eco-Cultural Mapping Pilot Project.

[3:46:05] Voice 5: It's funded

[3:46:07] Trustee Busheikin: by Trustee Dodds. Okay, any further discussion? So I'm going to call the question.

[3:46:15] Trustee Busheikin: Raise your electronic hand if you're in favor of the motion.

[3:46:19] Trustee Busheikin: Hey, we have six hands, seven hands. So now lower your hands and anyone opposed,

[3:46:32] Trustee Busheikin: none opposed, the motion carries. Thank you. Best of luck to the people doing this project

[3:46:43] Trustee Busheikin: on Galliano. So that was it for our additional items. And then the next thing I believe,

[3:46:50] Trustee Busheikin: leave, because I do not have the agenda directly in front of me, is the draft RPC chair letter to

[3:47:01] Trustee Busheikin: the incoming RPC. So that was another late item. So again, if you are listening from the public,

[3:47:08] Trustee Busheikin: there's no one there. So anyone listening in the future, kind of like we're time traveling,

[3:47:14] Trustee Busheikin: This should be attached to the package after the fact, and it's just a draft at this point.

[3:47:25] Trustee Busheikin: So this was sent out and again, and I'm sorry it was last minute, it just was.

[3:47:35] Trustee Busheikin: And yeah, I'll just open it.

[3:47:37] Trustee Busheikin: We've had, well, Trustee Patrick has emailed me a suggested addition that maybe you could

[3:47:43] Trustee Busheikin: could present to the group and Trustee Wolverton

[3:47:46] Trustee Busheikin: has her hand up and there was something in the chat

[3:47:48] Trustee Busheikin: also about adding something.

[3:47:51] Trustee Busheikin: So let's just delve into this.

[3:47:54] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Wolverton, go ahead,

[3:47:58] Voice 5: unmute please.

[3:48:01] Voice 5: Okay, just going to flag the issue

[3:48:03] Voice 5: that Trustee Peterson had outlined in the chat

[3:48:07] Voice 5: because I think it's a good addition.

[3:48:09] Voice 5: Yeah, yeah, thank you.

[3:48:12] Trustee Busheikin: you um uh ex officio luckham please go ahead uh if you're speaking we can't hear you because

[3:48:22] Trustee Busheikin: you're muted yeah

[3:48:23] Trustee Luckham: i'm speaking now um i don't really have i'm on my phone now because i'm

[3:48:28] Trustee Luckham: moving about and i don't really have access to the chat and to be quite honest i don't think it's

[3:48:34] Trustee Luckham: uh uh fair to members of the public or even those that maybe view later because i don't

[3:48:39] Trustee Luckham: think what's in the chat is visible after this is done so it's good to uh uh remark uh in some

[3:48:47] Trustee Luckham: fashion about what's happening on the chat but um that said um i did an additional item that um

[3:48:52] Trustee Luckham: this is kind of last minute and i appreciate that but and i realize this is a letter from the

[3:48:57] Trustee Luckham: proposed letter from this chair to the next chair of rpc but something that um is a struggle i think

[3:49:05] Trustee Luckham: for the chair of trust council is that the appointment stage of the committees and what

[3:49:10] Trustee Luckham: would be an interesting thing to include in that as a suggestion would be the actual number of

[3:49:16] Trustee Luckham: people involved in the committee and even some reflection on whether or not that term of those

[3:49:23] Trustee Luckham: seats should be the full four years or some interim stage of appointments or something

[3:49:29] Trustee Luckham: but i think more significantly is the number of people involved in the committee because we

[3:49:33] Trustee Luckham: We've added people and removed people.

[3:49:36] Trustee Luckham: We've had struggles with quorum over the time.

[3:49:38] Trustee Luckham: And certainly that was one of the comments

[3:49:41] Trustee Luckham: in the governance review is that the number of people

[3:49:45] Trustee Luckham: in any committee should be considered.

[3:49:47] Trustee Luckham: It'd be good to kind of get ahead of that

[3:49:49] Trustee Luckham: with an incoming council.

[3:49:52] Trustee Busheikin: Interesting.

[3:49:54] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you.

[3:49:57] Voice 3: Trustee Pearson.

[3:50:03] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you chair.

[3:50:04] Voice 3: Chair,

[3:50:05] Voice 19: and I'll just note that I wrote the chat during the break, so I remembered it,

[3:50:11] Voice 19: so I'll just go ahead and read it out loud for everyone's benefit.

[3:50:14] Voice 7: Yes.

[3:50:15] Voice 7: Thank you.

[3:50:16] Voice 19: So, yeah,

[3:50:19] Voice 19: so I'd like to see a paragraph added to the Chair's letter emphasizing the importance

[3:50:24] Voice 19: of reconciliation in general, mentioning Trust Council's reconciliation declaration, and

[3:50:29] Voice 19: the importance of properly funding Islands Trust and First Nations capacity with regard

[3:50:34] Voice 19: regard to referrals, including OCPs and LUVs.

[3:50:38] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Yeah. And I appreciate Peter pointing

[3:50:45] Trustee Busheikin: out really chat shouldn't be used in meetings other than, you know, if you're saying you have

[3:50:51] Trustee Busheikin: to step out or something like technical, because it's true, the public can't see it. And certainly

[3:50:57] Trustee Busheikin: Certainly we shouldn't be having personal chat

[3:51:00] Trustee Busheikin: because that's, I don't know, kind of like cheating.

[3:51:06] Trustee Busheikin: I know it's really tempting to do,

[3:51:08] Trustee Busheikin: but when we're sitting at a table, we're sitting at a table

[3:51:11] Trustee Busheikin: and everything we say should be open and in the public.

[3:51:14] Trustee Busheikin: So it's easy to forget.

[3:51:18] Trustee Busheikin: And the way you dealt with that, Tim, was perfect.

[3:51:25] Trustee Busheikin: So Trustee Patrick, you can go ahead.

[3:51:29] Trustee Patrick: um I think it would be interesting to have a chat on recommendations we might have for committee

[3:51:35] Trustee Patrick: appointments and geographic representation and all those things I think that would be a good

[3:51:40] Trustee Patrick: good thing to think about because it's important um I was recommending we add some statement you

[3:51:46] Trustee Patrick: asked me to add context to it but I it doesn't but I I think we should recognize that we're in

[3:51:53] Trustee Patrick: in sort of a transitional time.

[3:51:54] Trustee Patrick: And this committee is going to, for reconciliation,

[3:51:58] Trustee Patrick: as our processes are changing,

[3:52:01] Trustee Patrick: they're gonna continue to grow and evolve,

[3:52:05] Trustee Patrick: but we should recommend to new trustees

[3:52:08] Trustee Patrick: that they should all have one of those standing resolutions

[3:52:12] Trustee Patrick: that was part of our action plan.

[3:52:15] Trustee Patrick: And I think it's already evolved

[3:52:18] Trustee Patrick: since when we adopted them.

[3:52:20] Trustee Patrick: You know, it was, you know, send a letter to your First Nations, introduce yourself.

[3:52:24] Trustee Patrick: You know, I think we could take a little bit stronger, you know, recommendation that they

[3:52:29] Trustee Patrick: really get into that standing resolution and take steps to build that trusting and respectful

[3:52:39] Trustee Patrick: relationship right away, not let it linger.

[3:52:45] Trustee Patrick: So yes, it would be kind of a broader recommendation, but I think that's from us, we're sort of

[3:52:50] Trustee Patrick: recommending trust counsel

[3:52:51] Voice 3: as well. Laura, you're muted, and I'm sure

[3:53:08] Trustee Patrick: you had excellent things to say.

[3:53:09] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you,

[3:53:09] Trustee Busheikin: thank you. Okay, so just pointing out that certainly in the draft before us, this is a

[3:53:16] Trustee Busheikin: letter from the chair of RPC to the future members of RPC, and I would, depending on how this meeting

[3:53:24] Trustee Busheikin: goes i would certainly add that that the letter um um you know reflects consultation with all of

[3:53:33] Trustee Busheikin: rpc or something like that i'm not good at word smithing at this moment but i would add that so

[3:53:38] Trustee Busheikin: that's what we have before us so it's not to trust council it's specifically to rpc members about

[3:53:44] Trustee Busheikin: their work um and just to respond i i like the overall intention of what trustees patrick and

[3:53:52] Trustee Busheikin: Peterson pointing out to really have a very strong paragraph in there about reconciliation,

[3:53:59] Trustee Busheikin: about it being a transitional time, and about the importance of that to the work of RPC,

[3:54:06] Trustee Busheikin: because that's really what this needs to focus on. I'm a little leery of having specific

[3:54:12] Trustee Busheikin: recommendations for LTCs to do in terms of a standing resolution. I just don't think RPC is

[3:54:19] Trustee Busheikin: the place to be making that recommendation. That's a recommendation that should be made not to RPC,

[3:54:24] Trustee Busheikin: but to trust council. And usually at the last council we do a similar, we've done like a round

[3:54:30] Trustee Busheikin: table or something where we can give advice to the next trust council. And I think that's where

[3:54:35] Trustee Busheikin: that would go. This is really about the work we do at the RPC table, I think, and we need to focus

[3:54:41] Trustee Busheikin: on that or it could get very wide. And also all trustees need to hear that, not just the RPC

[3:54:47] Trustee Busheikin: see members uh i'm going to carry on to trustee stamford and then um ex officio lakum you still

[3:54:55] Trustee Busheikin: have your hand up so assuming that's intentional you go after trustee stamford go ahead kate

[3:55:00] Trustee Busheikin: thank

[3:55:00] Trustee Stamford: you uh i i agree with you uh laura that we have to maintain that what this letter is for

[3:55:09] Trustee Stamford: there are some really good suggestions and some of those suggestions actually may be coming out of

[3:55:13] Trustee Stamford: of the governance committee.

[3:55:15] Trustee Stamford: There's things that are being discussed here.

[3:55:18] Trustee Stamford: So if we can keep this tight to the RPC

[3:55:21] Trustee Stamford: and what the RPC can and cannot do,

[3:55:25] Trustee Stamford: I think that really helps, that'll help further

[3:55:29] Trustee Stamford: than if we widen it right out, then it just becomes words.

[3:55:33] Trustee Stamford: Thanks.

[3:55:36] Trustee Stamford: Thank you.

[3:55:38] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Patrick.

[3:55:39] Trustee Patrick: So I want to remind RPC members,

[3:55:41] Trustee Patrick: members, one of our terms of reference is that we address emerging issues.

[3:55:47] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Yeah, it's just about how to keep it in the RTC context. And also to tell the truth,

[3:55:55] Trustee Busheikin: I worked to keep this to two pages. People read short things more than long things,

[3:56:02] Trustee Busheikin: and two pages isn't short. So there's also that, but I can tighten it up some more to add in new

[3:56:06] Trustee Busheikin: new material. Any more comments

[3:56:08] Voice 3: on this? Okay, well,

[3:56:14] Trustee Busheikin: what I would propose is I will take away

[3:56:18] Trustee Busheikin: what's been suggested. I've got the, you know, some even wording from Trustee Peterson that was

[3:56:25] Trustee Busheikin: in the chat that he did read out that everyone heard. And I've heard good messaging. And so I

[3:56:33] Trustee Busheikin: I would work with this.

[3:56:35] Trustee Busheikin: I would include just stronger messages

[3:56:39] Trustee Busheikin: around the importance of reconciliation

[3:56:42] Trustee Busheikin: and this being a transitional time.

[3:56:44] Trustee Busheikin: And I'll have a look at how to include the recommendation

[3:56:50] Trustee Busheikin: from Trustee Patrick in a way that I think fits

[3:56:53] Trustee Busheikin: the focus of RPC.

[3:56:57] Trustee Busheikin: And then this can be complete.

[3:57:00] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not sure what the mechanism is.

[3:57:02] Trustee Busheikin: I guess we leave it with staff and they bring it to the first RPC meeting of the term so um I think

[3:57:09] Trustee Busheikin: it would be good and then you know what wait before we go ahead but I think it probably should

[3:57:13] Trustee Busheikin: have a motion to ask the chair to write a letter to the incoming RPC um with a review and

[3:57:20] Trustee Busheikin: recommendations but first because we actually do have time it's two o'clock um and the meeting

[3:57:27] Trustee Busheikin: schedule till three and i think we have one item left which was um our work program um i'm um uh

[3:57:37] Trustee Busheikin: like i i'm curious i i like the questions about is it the right number of people in the four-year

[3:57:44] Trustee Busheikin: term versus a two-year term so does anyone have any input on that not not seeing okay great yeah

[3:57:55] Trustee Busheikin: uh trustee peterson and then patrick yeah

[3:58:00] Voice 19: thanks uh uh you know it's interesting and i think good

[3:58:03] Voice 19: to think about um uh one of the things i think it was uh trustee patrick brought up you know

[3:58:09] Voice 19: the possibility of regional representation um ideally that would be the case of course

[3:58:15] Voice 19: it's been practiced that um that trustees voluntarily sign up for the

[3:58:22] Voice 19: the committees that they're interested in so i think you know achieving regional representation

[3:58:29] Voice 19: presentation might be tricky in that format, but perhaps, you know, if that was mentioned as a

[3:58:37] Voice 19: goal, perhaps that might work out. We seem to have sort of done it organically this round.

[3:58:49] Voice 19: I'm not sure how I feel about the term thing. On the one hand, just because of the pace of

[3:58:57] Voice 19: of projects, I think it's kind of good

[3:59:01] Voice 19: that we're appointed for the whole term.

[3:59:05] Voice 19: Certainly like the renewal project

[3:59:10] Voice 19: has taken up most of this term

[3:59:12] Voice 19: and I would have definitely hated to kind of be forced

[3:59:17] Voice 19: to jump ship or reapply halfway through.

[3:59:22] Voice 19: So I kind of liked the full term thing.

[3:59:24] Voice 19: And as far as the membership goes, I mean, I think it's great to have many minds on these issues.

[3:59:38] Voice 19: So I think somewhere between, you know, six and nine is reasonable.

[3:59:47] Voice 19: I think it's good to have at least a half a dozen folks.

[3:59:50] Voice 19: and obviously we have to avoid quorum and you know the reality is that when we have more voice

[4:00:00] Voice 19: is it it does take longer to to get through meetings to get through everyone's opinion so

[4:00:05] Voice 19: i mean that is something to take into consideration but um yeah i'm not sure how i feel about all of

[4:00:12] Voice 3: that but interesting to think about for sure thank you well i

[4:00:20] Trustee Patrick: think regional representation

[4:00:23] Trustee Patrick: come two ways i think it is important to strive for good regional representation but i think it's

[4:00:28] Trustee Patrick: I think in an early meeting, we should sit down and sort of map that out and say, who's missing?

[4:00:34] Trustee Patrick: What islands are not being represented? And assess it and say, is that okay? Or is there a

[4:00:43] Trustee Patrick: sub-member, an island next door that have regular relationships and they could be responsible to

[4:00:50] Trustee Patrick: reach out to at least one or two trustees on that island and sort of keep them abreast of what's

[4:00:56] Trustee Patrick: that's happening on the committee make sure that they know they feel engaged because i look at like

[4:01:00] Trustee Patrick: the the trust programs committee neither peter or i were on that committee and and i to me it's a

[4:01:09] Trustee Patrick: it's i don't know what's going on except for when i you know i have to go in and read their minutes

[4:01:14] Trustee Patrick: or you know it takes a lot of effort so i i think we could encourage um you know a good dialogue

[4:01:21] Trustee Patrick: dialogue amongst, you know, trustees and make sure we've got that regional input anyway. And

[4:01:27] Trustee Patrick: since we are supposed to be addressing emerging issues and moving from a reactive planning

[4:01:34] Trustee Patrick: organization to a proactive planning organization, we could always have some working groups that

[4:01:40] Trustee Patrick: don't have to be on this committee. You know, so if it's a new issue that's popped up, you know,

[4:01:45] Trustee Patrick: trust council, we could take three names, you know, go work it or something of that nature and

[4:01:49] Trustee Patrick: come back or bring you know bring us some more information on it so that we can like i said

[4:01:54] Trustee Patrick: truly get into the emerging side of the of the work so i just think it'd be it'd be good good

[4:02:01] Trustee Patrick: to reflect and and uh encourage more feedback as things come in and then then i think we have a

[4:02:07] Trustee Patrick: greater support when you show up at trust console with here's a idea it's not half half the console

[4:02:15] Trustee Patrick: is knows nothing about it there you know

[4:02:18] Voice 3: thanks this is a great discussion um it's all about

[4:02:27] Trustee Busheikin: yeah how can how can we work most effectively um and um so i'll just add a few thoughts

[4:02:34] Trustee Busheikin: i'm pretty happy with our number like we have a few times had an issue with quorum but it's

[4:02:40] Trustee Busheikin: always been at the it's only happened a couple times in my memory this term

[4:02:45] Trustee Busheikin: and it's been at the end of a long meeting so the answer may not be to have not don't have

[4:02:50] Trustee Busheikin: meetings that go past three let's say because we have had some longer ones and yeah I six to nine

[4:03:01] Trustee Busheikin: seven to nine something like that the fact is rarely do you have everyone here and with the

[4:03:10] Trustee Busheikin: regional representation I think it could be something to look at and consider and when

[4:03:15] Trustee Busheikin: making appointments to take it into account but I wouldn't I don't think we need to get into like

[4:03:21] Trustee Busheikin: a quota and numbers and it's got to be that way I think that's a little difficult and I like the

[4:03:24] Trustee Busheikin: idea of maybe um even informally you know if you know if no one on the Denman LTC was a member of

[4:03:33] Trustee Busheikin: of a committee, maybe someone on Hornby is,

[4:03:37] Trustee Busheikin: and we could talk once a month about it, just informally.

[4:03:42] Trustee Busheikin: Because on Denman, I'm a member of RPC

[4:03:45] Trustee Busheikin: and Trustee Critchley is TPC.

[4:03:47] Trustee Busheikin: And it's really good to get those reports back and forth.

[4:03:50] Trustee Busheikin: It's actually really excellent.

[4:03:52] Trustee Busheikin: And then I'm on FPC as well.

[4:03:54] Trustee Busheikin: So, and then our chair is on EC.

[4:03:56] Trustee Busheikin: So that works really well.

[4:03:59] Trustee Busheikin: So ways to, but you know,

[4:04:01] Trustee Busheikin: but we don't want 13 people on each committee so ways to keep the information flowing right

[4:04:06] Trustee Busheikin: um tim go ahead yeah

[4:04:14] Voice 19: just listening to um trustee patrick there i was kind of reflecting on um

[4:04:20] Voice 19: you know so halfway through this term i joined tpc um to to be part of the um

[4:04:27] Voice 19: um the sorry the policy statement review and uh i just when trustee patrick was saying that it's

[4:04:37] Voice 19: like yeah that's true i i really didn't know that much about what was going on tpc last term because

[4:04:43] Voice 19: that was just on uh lpc at the time um and it certainly is um it's certainly useful to

[4:04:54] Voice 19: know what's going on in the different committees because a lot of important council work comes

[4:05:02] Voice 19: through committee. And so just sort of reflecting on how committees might consider

[4:05:14] Voice 19: sort of some communication, you know, short briefings maybe that might be more engaging for

[4:05:24] Voice 19: for the rest of the trustees.

[4:05:26] Voice 19: You know, a way to sort of pass

[4:05:29] Voice 19: maybe some highlights of discussion on,

[4:05:32] Voice 19: I mean, I get lots of us that are busy.

[4:05:34] Voice 19: So the reality is probably a lot of us

[4:05:37] Voice 19: don't have the time to necessarily go

[4:05:39] Voice 19: and sit in on the meetings as they're happening

[4:05:42] Voice 19: or to review them later.

[4:05:46] Voice 19: You know, it's one thing to sit in a five hour meeting.

[4:05:50] Voice 19: It's another thing to sit and watch the five hour meeting.

[4:05:54] Voice 19: But yeah, just sort of reflecting that that that might be something that the next council might want to consider is how, how can we get the rest of trustees sort of

[4:06:08] Voice 3: briefed

[4:06:10] Voice 19: regularly on sort of what's going on what the thinking is in in committees because it's it's all good and important stuff.

[4:06:20] Voice 3: Thanks.

[4:06:21] Voice 3: Thanks. And

[4:06:24] Trustee Busheikin: most of this isn't going to get into this letter, and the letter isn't the place for it. So I'm hoping that in particular, EC members and people who are going to run again and will hopefully be elected are taking this in and maybe even taking some notes, because this is really good stuff for a bigger council discussion.

[4:06:46] Trustee Busheikin: And also when, you know, as the governance work is coming forward, this is going to come up. And these are all really good thoughts. So I'm encouraging people who think they'll be here next year to take some notes.

[4:06:57] Trustee Busheikin: um anyone else have any comments yeah i'll just add that i do think we're not having the in-person

[4:07:14] Trustee Busheikin: meetings that some of that reporting out has gotten a bit of um neglected because you know

[4:07:19] Trustee Busheikin: for a while like the chair would give a report at trust council of the committee um although i have

[4:07:26] Trustee Busheikin: to say as chair and i'm as i was getting ready for trust council it was sort of like what happened

[4:07:32] Trustee Busheikin: to our last two committee meetings like it's sort of like like i'm wondering even if just like

[4:07:36] Trustee Busheikin: you know the chair of each committee would send out a quick email like and keep it short

[4:07:44] Trustee Busheikin: bullet points this is what just happened at rpc or tpc um and make it like that kind of

[4:07:51] Trustee Busheikin: conversational tone as if you ran into a trustee on the fair and they say hey what happened

[4:07:55] Trustee Busheikin: um because the minutes yes it's one thing to sit in a five-hour meeting another thing to watch it

[4:08:01] Trustee Busheikin: and another thing to read the minutes and the minutes sometimes don't capture the things that

[4:08:07] Trustee Busheikin: you want to hear um they're accurate and that's important but um so that could be you know it's

[4:08:15] Trustee Busheikin: just extra work for chairs and it's more reading for trustees but really if it was short and to

[4:08:20] Trustee Busheikin: the point um that could be something that's useful um yeah those are just my final thoughts

[4:08:31] Trustee Busheikin: so not seeing any more hands any more comments that's all been very useful so i think at this

[4:08:38] Trustee Busheikin: point just a motion to ask the chair to write this letter um would be great and i will take

[4:08:45] Trustee Busheikin: into account everything we have talked about go ahead trustee wolverton i

[4:08:51] Voice 5: move that the

[4:08:53] Voice 5: regional planning committee asked the chair of the regional planning committee to

[4:08:57] Voice 5: to write a letter to the incoming RPC outlining, well, just write a letter that reflects the

[4:09:08] Voice 5: discussion that has taken place. Sure. Second?

[4:09:14] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, Tim, seconds. But any further discussion

[4:09:19] Trustee Busheikin: then? Oh, okay. I thought I saw a hand up. All right. All in favor, raise your electronic hand.

[4:09:30] Trustee Busheikin: okay seeing six hands up you can now lower them and just for formality's sake anyone opposed

[4:09:39] Trustee Busheikin: no um so that motion carries uh thank you i will finish up that letter and then i think it will

[4:09:46] Trustee Busheikin: sit with staff till uh the next meeting so i'm the last um significant thing on the agenda uh is the

[4:09:55] Trustee Busheikin: the work program. So we have the top priorities report and the projects report soon will be

[4:10:02] Trustee Busheikin: changing somewhat, at least the names, at least one of the names. So are there any staff

[4:10:10] Trustee Busheikin: updates on any of this? There is another item, a really important one, but let's just look

[4:10:18] Trustee Busheikin: at it. So yeah, we need to talk, I think we need to talk again about the budget requests.

[4:10:23] Trustee Busheikin: We said we'd do that at the end of the meeting.

[4:10:25] Trustee Busheikin: So for now, any staff comments on the projects report

[4:10:29] Trustee Busheikin: and top parties report?

[4:10:30] Trustee Busheikin: There doesn't need to be, it is here for information.

[4:10:33] Trustee Busheikin: Are there any trustee comments or questions?

[4:10:45] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, well, it ties into the next topic.

[4:10:49] Trustee Busheikin: So let's then just say we've received this for information

[4:10:53] Trustee Busheikin: and let's now talk about our budget request or requests.

[4:11:00] Trustee Busheikin: requests we've already moved forward with the did we even this is see what I knew what happened at

[4:11:07] Trustee Busheikin: the end of the meeting we

[4:11:08] Trustee Patrick: have a table

[4:11:09] Trustee Busheikin: motion chair okay thank you I I need support here and

[4:11:13] Trustee Busheikin: the table motion is let's see the table motion okay so we've already passed the motion about

[4:11:24] Trustee Busheikin: the co-op student right yep good so this is a table motion then we did talk about um a hundred

[4:11:33] Trustee Busheikin: thousand dollars for freshwater sustainability strategy next steps that's a lot more than 25

[4:11:40] Trustee Busheikin: 000 and then just looking at the projects report um there is under six mitigate and adapt to climate

[4:11:50] Trustee Busheikin: change impacts the amend ocps and lubs that's official community plans and land use bylaws to

[4:11:57] Trustee Busheikin: foster climate change resilience including measures to protect coastal douglas for

[4:12:01] Trustee Busheikin: for foreshore and nearshore environments and groundwater.

[4:12:05] Trustee Busheikin: That's a pretty important and major project

[4:12:08] Trustee Busheikin: is in the strategic plan.

[4:12:09] Trustee Busheikin: Should that be put in to the budget?

[4:12:12] Trustee Busheikin: And if so, what would be involved?

[4:12:16] Trustee Busheikin: That's a question I'm just gonna dangle out there

[4:12:18] Trustee Busheikin: and invite anyone to comment on or comment on anything.

[4:12:22] Trustee Busheikin: Maybe before we take the motion off of the table,

[4:12:26] Trustee Busheikin: we'll just have some discussion.

[4:12:30] Trustee Busheikin: And this is the last thing we have to think about.

[4:12:32] Trustee Busheikin: so even though we're tired let's push on through anyone go ahead trustee patrick and then stamford

[4:12:43] Trustee Patrick: the key thing is is i know in the past and it's you know we've had like a lot of our strategic

[4:12:50] Trustee Patrick: items we had like 10 000 10 000 10 000 was the amount amount for it and then we found it was

[4:12:55] Trustee Patrick: never enough to get anything done and so um and i think the other thing that we've all learned and

[4:13:03] Trustee Patrick: And maybe that's another thing for your letter, even though we've finished up the conversation, is that we need to build communications into every project and the cost of that as well.

[4:13:12] Trustee Patrick: So it's not just, you know, do the project, but how do we communicate or educate the project as well?

[4:13:19] Trustee Patrick: So while I'm not a huge fan of just a parking place, and I don't think hurrying up and rushing, someone's having an emergency.

[4:13:35] Trustee Patrick: you know, is to either have a decent amount of money parked there to allow a more robust

[4:13:42] Trustee Patrick: conversation of what it should be. But I would say, you know, $50,000 to $75,000 just at this

[4:13:49] Trustee Patrick: point while we figure it out. Scary number, but what else are you going to do?

[4:13:58] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, climate change is scary. Trustee Stanford.

[4:14:03] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah,

[4:14:04] Trustee Stamford: I agree. If we were going to take this stuff seriously, which we said we were,

[4:14:08] Trustee Stamford: um put in 75 000 and um let's move forward to the best of our ability it can always go down

[4:14:18] Trustee Stamford: it can go always go up um these are major issues they can't just fall away because we can't think

[4:14:27] Trustee Stamford: of a number trustee

[4:14:31] Voice 7: peterson yeah

[4:14:34] Voice 19: i'm going to agree as well um uh you know what you mentioned

[4:14:39] Voice 19: should that item on our work program

[4:14:42] Voice 19: from the strategic plan there.

[4:14:44] Voice 19: Yeah, I mean, who knows that's a massive project.

[4:14:48] Voice 19: So I think, yeah, if we're going to do a placeholder,

[4:14:52] Voice 19: let's go ahead and bump it up

[4:14:55] Voice 19: because we're looking at more than potentially

[4:14:57] Voice 19: more than just one project

[4:14:58] Voice 19: that might need the RPC's attention in the next fiscal, so.

[4:15:06] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, Trustee Fenton.

[4:15:08] Trustee Busheikin: Hi.

[4:15:14] Voice 10: Yeah, just clarifying that question with respect to, is it, you're talking about the 30 and then 100,000 for the position, or is this the next step, is this the climate change, or in general terms, climate change, and you're thinking 75,000?

[4:15:35] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, it's really good to clarify this before we go ahead. My understanding is that we don't know the answer to that because we haven't had a chance to fully discuss it or staff to come forward with proposals and business cases.

[4:15:47] Trustee Busheikin: So there are a number of things like there are the co-op students. We've already requested that. But there's many implementing the freshwater sustainability strategy, particularly around communications and gathering data and coordinating things as well.

[4:16:08] Trustee Busheikin: Well, there's that strategic plan item,

[4:16:10] Trustee Busheikin: and there might be things to do with reconciliation.

[4:16:16] Trustee Busheikin: Like at this exact meeting, we don't have everything.

[4:16:20] Trustee Busheikin: It's early in the budget stages.

[4:16:21] Trustee Busheikin: So we're just creating like a placeholder

[4:16:27] Trustee Busheikin: and recognizing that we've got some big and ambitious

[4:16:30] Trustee Busheikin: and important and I would say time-sensitive work to do.

[4:16:34] Trustee Busheikin: and then at the next meeting and or two this just what that what fills that placeholder will get

[4:16:42] Trustee Busheikin: ironed out is that correct got that right okay good um uh i'm going to turn it over to director

[4:16:50] Trustee Busheikin: chair mac and then we can

[4:16:51] Trustee Busheikin: continue with the hands so

[4:16:52] Voice 10: can i just can i just uh make a comment to that

[4:16:56] Voice 10: bent with that

[4:16:57] Trustee Busheikin: um sure go ahead yeah

[4:17:00] Voice 10: okay thank you um yeah i i agree i but i'm just suggesting

[4:17:04] Voice 10: also maybe we would just do a you could say 50 to 100 000 once again because we don't have the

[4:17:10] Voice 10: details but i explained as you have just now you actually say you know significant and important

[4:17:18] Voice 10: and you know sort of time sensitive matters um all sort of pushing to more information down the road

[4:17:26] Voice 10: that i had dropped to anybody looking at it or reading it thanks thank

[4:17:32] Trustee Busheikin: you uh director chairmack

[4:17:38] Voice 17: thank you please

[4:17:39] Trustee Busheikin: remember to take your hand down sorry take your hand down when you're finished

[4:17:42] Trustee Busheikin: speaking thanks okay now go ahead thank

[4:17:45] Voice 17: you madam chair i'm actually getting interesting

[4:17:47] Voice 17: i'm glad we're talking about this i've been going through that the list of your top priorities in

[4:17:52] Voice 17: your projects and i admit to a little bit of confusion um about how some things are done in

[4:17:58] Voice 17: the accuracy of the projects it appears just from my brief review and my my recollection some are

[4:18:04] Voice 17: done some change direction some are partially done and so on and so forth so i wouldn't mind

[4:18:09] Voice 17: maybe i should just approach director marler and get his take but um i wouldn't mind just you know

[4:18:15] Voice 17: sort of a waltz through the projects list from the rpc's perspective but perhaps perhaps that's

[4:18:21] Voice 17: staff time not rpc time i'll leave that up to you um what else are you going to say yeah you know

[4:18:27] Voice 17: You know, the purpose of the RPC, and if you're looking to do research and, you know, all these things you're talking about just in item six alone is an extraordinary amount of work.

[4:18:37] Voice 17: So, you know, $50,000 is chump change for if you're going to do all that stuff.

[4:18:42] Voice 17: So don't be conservative if you want to get it all done.

[4:18:45] Voice 17: If the RPC is seeking funds to hire a contractor to do all these types of things, it would be, I'm pretty confident, especially for the whole trust area.

[4:18:57] Voice 17: I'm pretty confident being much more than that. So don't sell yourself short in your ask.

[4:19:03] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. I put myself on the speakers list, but we can go to Trustee Stamford first.

[4:19:10] Trustee Stamford: I think we also have to think back to previous trust councils, we tend to get burned.

[4:19:20] Trustee Stamford: When we don't have detail when we don't have specifics available for other trust council

[4:19:28] Trustee Stamford: members. Also, we need to step up as fellow committee members and support these decisions

[4:19:36] Trustee Stamford: at Trust Council and not just leave it quiet. So I do want to see more detail behind this. What is

[4:19:44] Trustee Stamford: it that potentially could be under this? $7,500, $150,000. These numbers can fly all over the

[4:19:57] Trustee Stamford: place, but we do need to be able to have some defense for them.

[4:20:03] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. So yeah, I just

[4:20:05] Trustee Busheikin: wanted to comment. I would go higher rather than lower. It's realistic. Is it just a bargaining

[4:20:13] Trustee Busheikin: tactic? I don't think so. I think that we need to face the fact that these are, I mean, amending

[4:20:22] Trustee Busheikin: OCPs and LUVs to foster climate change resilience, including measures to protect coastal Douglas

[4:20:27] Trustee Busheikin: for foreshore and nearshore environments and groundwater is kind of like almost covers

[4:20:32] Trustee Busheikin: everything not quite but it kind of does and that's huge to do a proper job and I think it's

[4:20:39] Trustee Busheikin: what our constituents want us to do but it it could take just a year to figure out how that's

[4:20:44] Trustee Busheikin: going to look and how it's going to work and how much it's going to cost and then do it um and the

[4:20:49] Trustee Busheikin: one piece in that I'm still looking at number six is protection of groundwater and that points back

[4:20:54] Trustee Busheikin: to the freshwater sustainability strategy which you know is ready to go so what i guess i'd like

[4:21:02] Trustee Busheikin: to say like a hundred thousand as a placeholder and we will get that uh detail and be able to

[4:21:12] Trustee Busheikin: to bring it to fpc if you don't have the detail and it's not convincing you really don't get

[4:21:16] Trustee Busheikin: get anywhere. I don't know of another way to do it. And yeah, you know, it could be that this

[4:21:28] Trustee Busheikin: number six is not going to happen in the next fiscal year, but it needs to be, you know, on

[4:21:33] Trustee Busheikin: the next strategic plan. And it's a big one, but the freshwater work could get done and be part of

[4:21:42] Trustee Busheikin: of that climate change response.

[4:21:46] Trustee Busheikin: So I'd like to have 100,000 as a placeholder

[4:21:51] Trustee Busheikin: and I'm assuming that there's an understanding

[4:21:53] Trustee Busheikin: that staff will, particularly the staff working

[4:21:56] Trustee Busheikin: on the freshwater work will come back

[4:22:00] Trustee Busheikin: as they did with the co-op request

[4:22:04] Trustee Busheikin: because they will come back with some proposals for detail.

[4:22:10] Trustee Busheikin: Chair Luck, go ahead.

[4:22:12] Trustee Luckham: uh thank you uh trevor shaken um i'm just reflecting on uh all the comments there about

[4:22:19] Trustee Luckham: not having well prepared um let's just call it a business case or a financial statement about

[4:22:25] Trustee Luckham: things and that's where we always get caught um the other thing that we always get caught up in

[4:22:32] Trustee Luckham: is the budget process and the public consultation and although i don't necessarily agree with

[4:22:39] Trustee Luckham: with some or all of it, that why are you doing this work?

[4:22:44] Trustee Luckham: This is not within your jurisdiction, et cetera, et cetera.

[4:22:47] Trustee Luckham: And when we're talking about some of these values that we're trying to understand and

[4:22:52] Trustee Luckham: do the research in order to inform our decision making, we do get that criticism.

[4:22:57] Trustee Luckham: And so when we're thinking about how much money it is that council might like to set

[4:23:01] Trustee Luckham: aside for any one of these given projects, I think there really needs to be an emphasis

[4:23:05] Trustee Luckham: on looking for partners.

[4:23:07] Trustee Luckham: And there's so much money these days that's out there, especially around climate change and water protection and all those sorts of things. We really need to find, you know, ideally matching partners or partners that are able to come to the table with money and or skills to facilitate the work to offset council's costs, because it's going to be a constant and tough battle forward to seek yet more and more money to do what we know as the important work.

[4:23:37] Voice 7: yeah thank you

[4:23:40] Trustee Busheikin: um trustee patrick and then director chairman

[4:23:46] Trustee Busheikin: this

[4:23:47] Trustee Patrick: is a this is literally a placeholder the next committee there will and must be a business

[4:23:52] Trustee Patrick: case uh as this before this ever gets to um uh out to public engagement it could be zero at that

[4:24:00] Trustee Patrick: point if this was over so i think i think our goal is to leave the committee with something

[4:24:05] Trustee Patrick: something um that shows that it's serious and yeah there's work to be done so I'm going to

[4:24:11] Trustee Patrick: move to amend the motion to uh make it a hundred thousand dollars okay

[4:24:17] Trustee Busheikin: so I think first we need a

[4:24:19] Trustee Busheikin: um um a motion to oh take it off the table off

[4:24:25] Trustee Busheikin: the table um yeah so I think that we're ready

[4:24:30] Trustee Busheikin: i see other people wanting to speak why don't we take the two people who have their hands up

[4:24:35] Trustee Busheikin: trustee patrick and then i'll come back to you to do that so let's take uh let's hear from director

[4:24:42] Trustee Busheikin: chair mack again and then trustee fantomica okay

[4:24:48] Voice 17: thank you madam chair i sort of want to

[4:24:51] Voice 17: qualify as some of my comments so i said you know you can put whatever budget you want in there

[4:24:55] Voice 17: because it's going to be expensive and you can see that that's just on the basis of researching

[4:24:59] Voice 17: those various different issues, which I might add, you know, a lot of climate change impacts

[4:25:04] Voice 17: like wildfires not in there, or stormwater management, and so on and so forth. And so,

[4:25:10] Voice 17: you know, you could put any amount of money in there, and I can guarantee it wouldn't be enough.

[4:25:15] Voice 17: But just a point of clarification in terms of this, my first RPC and how it works.

[4:25:20] Voice 17: I'm noticing that this is an RPC project, but this number, the strategic plan item number 3.2

[4:25:26] Voice 17: is not in your RPC priority.

[4:25:28] Voice 17: And so I'm just not sure in terms of how you guys go about allocating funding.

[4:25:32] Voice 17: I know at the LTC land, it had to be a priority for us to fund it.

[4:25:36] Voice 17: If it was a project, it was more on the wish list.

[4:25:38] Voice 17: And so if you're proposing money for a wish list,

[4:25:41] Voice 17: I don't think that would fly.

[4:25:43] Voice 17: But if it's a strategic, it's a priority.

[4:25:46] Voice 17: So forgive me for not knowing that,

[4:25:48] Voice 17: but it is second week and it's a bit of a different,

[4:25:51] Voice 17: maybe a different process here.

[4:25:53] Voice 17: I'm not sure.

[4:25:53] Voice 17: Sure. Just thought I'd sort of point out, I don't see that in your RPC priority, which is a long one, I might add, but I don't see that particular item. Maybe I'm wrong.

[4:26:03] Trustee Busheikin: You know, I'll speak to that, if I may, as chair, because there was, I think, a question embedded in that. And this is my take, personally, so maybe other people here will disagree with me.

[4:26:13] Trustee Busheikin: I actually think that you're pointing at an opportunity to improve the way we use our

[4:26:23] Trustee Busheikin: tracking documents and prioritize our work and figure out what we should be working on.

[4:26:29] Trustee Busheikin: I think that the committee and staff have struggled with how to make these tracking

[4:26:36] Trustee Busheikin: documents work for us.

[4:26:38] Trustee Busheikin: and I think that your question maybe doesn't have a clear answer because there just hasn't been

[4:26:44] Trustee Busheikin: enough clarity and we've used these top priorities and projects reports differently in the term and

[4:26:52] Trustee Busheikin: a certain point we just put those strategic plan items in as number one and you know

[4:27:01] Trustee Busheikin: and then how do they interact with the strategic plan and to what extent does RPC

[4:27:06] Trustee Busheikin: see have or is meant to have um autonomy over what we think is our top priority or is it given to us

[4:27:15] Trustee Busheikin: by council and if so is it given to us via the street strategic plan and i mean and the strategic

[4:27:22] Trustee Busheikin: plan is for four years so within the strategic plan you make decisions year by year but all of

[4:27:27] Trustee Busheikin: that and i personally would would welcome actually staff guidance i know it to some degree these are

[4:27:34] Trustee Busheikin: political decisions but it's also a bit of just an efficiency and how do the tracking documents work

[4:27:39] Trustee Busheikin: so that's my answer and if there's anyone in the community that thinks quite differently about it

[4:27:45] Trustee Busheikin: feel free to speak up anyone i see trustee patrick and i think trustee fenton you had a

[4:27:55] Trustee Busheikin: you were more related to the original topic of the budget so if that's true i'll get you in a minute

[4:28:01] Trustee Busheikin: it um but um just in response to uh stefan's question trustee patrick do you want to go

[4:28:07] Trustee Busheikin: well

[4:28:08] Trustee Patrick: i think that the issue is and if i go back four years which is uh very difficult to remember

[4:28:13] Trustee Patrick: um when this committee we literally was a parking spot we had an amount of money and i think it was

[4:28:20] Trustee Patrick: 25 000 that's what that was the the the number um you know so i think that's the challenge that

[4:28:28] Trustee Patrick: that we're in right now, what our priority is today

[4:28:31] Trustee Patrick: and what the new committee's priority is going to be

[4:28:33] Trustee Patrick: could be very different.

[4:28:34] Trustee Patrick: So it's like, where do you put the work?

[4:28:36] Trustee Patrick: So this is right now literally just a parking number

[4:28:42] Trustee Patrick: and it may disappear.

[4:28:48] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, thank you.

[4:28:49] Trustee Busheikin: And Trustee Fenton, go ahead back to the original talk.

[4:28:53] Trustee Busheikin: We're back to talk about the original or the motion

[4:28:56] Trustee Busheikin: that is still on the table, but won't be soon.

[4:29:01] Voice 10: okay thank you um yeah i was just gonna sort of um just touching what uh just the locum suggested

[4:29:09] Voice 10: and that's the sense of the partners so maybe part of our research on all of this kind of stuff

[4:29:15] Voice 10: anything would never get coin attached we should always be thinking about which partners might be

[4:29:23] Voice 10: applicable who could we be inviting so part of that document that's brought to us not just about

[4:29:29] Voice 10: about the business plan should include

[4:29:30] Voice 10: who the potential partners are.

[4:29:33] Voice 10: Maybe timing is important because of a certain opportunity.

[4:29:36] Voice 10: So those are the kind of things we literally capture

[4:29:39] Voice 10: and just make a conscious effort to do that

[4:29:42] Voice 10: as opposed to helping things happen.

[4:29:44] Voice 10: That should just be our routine business.

[4:29:47] Voice 10: I suggest in any respects.

[4:29:51] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[4:29:54] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm gonna turn it back to trustee Patrick

[4:29:57] Trustee Busheikin: to bring that motion up.

[4:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: back um it's the language is difficult do you bring it back on the table you take it off the

[4:30:05] Trustee Busheikin: table i think to reintroduce the motion however you want to put it go ahead and then you have

[4:30:10] Voice 3: i

[4:30:11] Trustee Busheikin: i move that we uh

[4:30:14] Trustee Patrick: untable the motion lift lift lift the motion thank you whatever the word is

[4:30:23] Trustee Patrick: good luck there um off the table off the

[4:30:28] Trustee Busheikin: table sorry it just strikes me as humorous

[4:30:34] Trustee Busheikin: but fair enough okay um so do we have a seconder yes jane uh do we need any discussion

[4:30:42] Trustee Busheikin: trustee fenton your hand is still up but i assume that you don't need to discuss

[4:30:45] Trustee Busheikin: this this motion is that correct you could take your hand down trustee fenton

[4:30:55] Trustee Busheikin: good because that way when you put it up to vote i'll know that's what it is okay i will

[4:30:58] Trustee Busheikin: call the question all in favor of untabling the motion okay i see six seven in favor you can lower

[4:31:07] Trustee Busheikin: your hand uh anyone opposed no so that motion carries and i think we might see an amendment

[4:31:17] Trustee Patrick: it's here in front of us so do you want me to make that

[4:31:19] Trustee Patrick: i move that the regional planning

[4:31:21] Trustee Patrick: committee amend the motion to replace 25 000 with 100 000

[4:31:25] Trustee Busheikin: seconder uh trustee fenton seconded

[4:31:29] Trustee Busheikin: any further discussion i think we've been discussing this topic for a while so i will

[4:31:33] Trustee Busheikin: call the question raise your electronic hands great seven in favor lower your hands

[4:31:45] Trustee Busheikin: any against no because that was unanimous so that motion carries um and that's great and then um

[4:31:53] Trustee Busheikin: Um, Steph, do you need direction about what to come back with to the next meeting around, um,

[4:32:08] Trustee Busheikin: around filling that placeholder?

[4:32:11] Voice 17: Oh, I sure do. Um, yeah, they, you know, that's,

[4:32:15] Voice 17: I have no idea really what the scope of what you're asking me to do is. So that's, that's a

[4:32:21] Voice 17: a massive request so and there's not probably a lot of time to do it and it's quite the learning

[4:32:26] Voice 17: curve so i can tell you what my intention is with such emotion is uh you know you're you're asking

[4:32:32] Voice 17: for a hundred thousand dollar placeholder you have before you a list of top priorities and

[4:32:38] Voice 17: projects and what i'm hearing is they're just kind of one big list so i'll not emphasize priorities

[4:32:43] Voice 17: versus projects i'll just say they're all together your goal is to achieve the strategic plan as

[4:32:48] Voice 17: presented to you um but i've heard focus on this number six i've heard focus on climate change i've

[4:32:54] Voice 17: also heard uh from planner chadwick regarding uh communications regarding sustained or watershed

[4:33:01] Voice 17: sustainability so when i present something back to you i will mention those things watershed

[4:33:07] Voice 17: sustainability according to some of the assumptions that planner chadwick and and uh senior policy

[4:33:14] Voice 17: policy advisor fresh water oh my gosh i'm forgetting william's title william

[4:33:21] Trustee Busheikin: i always

[4:33:22] Trustee Busheikin: mess up this

[4:33:22] Voice 17: title it's

[4:33:24] Trustee Busheikin: a long one fresh i think fresh water specialist is close

[4:33:27] Voice 17: senior fresh water specialist um yeah so i'll i'll talk to them about what their assumptions

[4:33:32] Voice 17: are that they talked about i think it was 30 000 and then i'll sort of pluck in sort of well

[4:33:38] Voice 17: i'm hearing focus on climate change i see these things that are listed there in regards to

[4:33:43] Voice 17: amending OCPs, LUBs, I mean we all know how much that costs so I'm probably going to zero

[4:33:49] Voice 17: more and instead of so much that what type of information does each LTC need in order to do that

[4:33:56] Voice 17: and so using these items that I see before me about protecting coastal Douglas fir foreshore

[4:34:03] Voice 17: nearshore environments and groundwater I might be tempted to say that things that aren't in there

[4:34:08] Voice 17: where you know such as mentioned wildfire protection and stormwater management i'll make

[4:34:12] Voice 17: a list and i'll sort of say just off the cuff the best research i can think of for what are the key

[4:34:17] Voice 17: questions that need to be answered or or you know and i'll generate these are the questions this is

[4:34:23] Voice 17: the budget and i guarantee it's going to say not enough and then how much is it you know because

[4:34:28] Voice 17: you know what is it a hundred thousand dollars is what one percentage tax raise per you know

[4:34:33] Voice 17: household type thing so i don't know where these monies come from or what elected officials are

[4:34:37] Voice 17: going to vote for but is that sound about right that's kind of where i'm going with it i'll make

[4:34:41] Voice 17: a shopping list of ideas and i'll say the budget the two are not going to match but that'll be up

[4:34:46] Voice 17: for the next group to figure out sounds

[4:34:51] Trustee Busheikin: pretty

[4:34:52] Voice 7: good

[4:34:52] Trustee Busheikin: um anyone else have any comments trusty

[4:34:57] Trustee Busheikin: peterson your hands going up and down it's up it's up

[4:35:01] Voice 19: yeah i was i was just gonna say um uh you

[4:35:05] Voice 19: you know, we've got our top priority and we've got our point. And also, yeah, that we're going

[4:35:12] Voice 19: to anticipate some numbers back from William and Marissa.

[4:35:21] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah. And I will just add, I mean,

[4:35:23] Trustee Busheikin: this is a big discussion and it's important, but it is maybe a better discussion for the new RPC

[4:35:32] Trustee Busheikin: because it's really about what do we want to get done in the coming term um but I will just say

[4:35:38] Trustee Busheikin: although I was the one that kept pointing at number six just because just because because

[4:35:44] Trustee Busheikin: I think it's the biggest challenge facing our islands and all of us and humanity um uh and it

[4:35:52] Trustee Busheikin: kind of encompasses almost everything at the same time I actually don't think it's pragmatic to just

[4:35:57] Trustee Busheikin: jump into that it's it's also a bit of an omnibus like there's there's you know if you look at

[4:36:03] Trustee Busheikin: number six it overlaps with um number three it overlaps with number four it overlaps with number

[4:36:12] Trustee Busheikin: two and number one on the like it's you know it i think it could be a lot more effective and doable

[4:36:18] Trustee Busheikin: to do it in chunks and fresh water is something that we've got on the go we've got a strategy

[4:36:25] Trustee Busheikin: We've got two staff members who are very engaged.

[4:36:29] Trustee Busheikin: I get the feeling that between the two of them,

[4:36:31] Trustee Busheikin: they could come up with a pretty good proposal

[4:36:33] Voice 20: for

[4:36:34] Trustee Busheikin: that 100,000.

[4:36:35] Trustee Busheikin: So like, I'm just wondering,

[4:36:37] Trustee Busheikin: and I wanna check this with the rest of the committee,

[4:36:39] Trustee Busheikin: cause it will make a difference to Stefan's life

[4:36:42] Trustee Busheikin: over the next couple of months

[4:36:44] Trustee Busheikin: and the work he does on behalf of us council.

[4:36:49] Trustee Busheikin: Do we want to ask that this,

[4:36:52] Trustee Busheikin: um the work that comes back to us focus on um next steps for the freshwater strategy

[4:37:02] Trustee Busheikin: i'm thinking yes i think being specific is a key to success here but um what do other people think

[4:37:15] Trustee Busheikin: trustee peterson and then patrick yeah

[4:37:20] Voice 19: so i mean we talked about freshwater uh sustainability

[4:37:23] Voice 19: project it's underway it's on the go um i think it's important to focus and and see it through

[4:37:32] Voice 19: um i was just going to mention that uh um for uh director termack there might want to

[4:37:40] Voice 19: talk to director marler uh just based on the timing of the next uh november 16th the next rpc

[4:37:48] Voice 19: meeting the length of time it might take to get business cases from that to the next trust council

[4:37:55] Voice 19: or to the FPC and then followed by that the trust council meeting I know that those timelines can

[4:38:02] Voice 19: be sometimes really tight because I think that's one of the realities you'll have to deal with is

[4:38:07] Voice 19: that new RPC coming in and saying well these are what we think we should do and so that that might

[4:38:15] Voice 19: change your priorities at that point out of that meeting and then you got to get that to FBC and

[4:38:21] Voice 19: then back to the next trust council meeting before the budget's finalized and marked. So boom, boom,

[4:38:27] Voice 19: boom, timeline. But yes, I think we should follow through with the freshwater project as best we

[4:38:34] Voice 19: can. I

[4:38:39] Trustee Patrick: mean, whether you, I mean, I would still recommend it be kept broad. I think, you know,

[4:38:46] Trustee Patrick: of we're trying to, you know, I understand it's challenging. I think you can just put the kitchen

[4:38:51] Trustee Patrick: sink in there from a staff perspective of all the things that it could be. And until that committee

[4:38:57] Trustee Patrick: is formed, it could be, you know, any one of them or something new. Yeah.

[4:39:09] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, the strategic plan

[4:39:13] Trustee Busheikin: is supposed to bridge the terms. And I mean, it really, it's a very, it's just difficult. Like

[4:39:23] Trustee Busheikin: especially because I'm not running in the election so I can't expect to be back myself

[4:39:27] Trustee Busheikin: otherwise I'd be like I'll be at the table and I'm just going to carry it through um

[4:39:31] Trustee Busheikin: it's it's just difficult so I don't know what to do with it um does anyone else have any comments

[4:39:37] Trustee Busheikin: at this point someone make it easier no way um well then maybe we'll just leave it in staff's

[4:39:48] Trustee Busheikin: hands they've heard the discussion there's some interest in um keeping it focused on fresh water

[4:39:55] Trustee Busheikin: water uh work and some interest in leaving it more broad with the understanding that yeah the next

[4:40:01] Trustee Busheikin: RPC may say like no no fresh water uh no we're like we don't know um yeah sorry just let me

[4:40:13] Trustee Busheikin: pause for a minute like I I'm torn between wanting to keep it open and wanting to say you know it's

[4:40:21] Trustee Busheikin: our job after doing this for four years to actually give some direction to the next RPC and give them

[4:40:28] Trustee Busheikin: something to chew on so um i'm tempted to in spite of what i just heard um i am tempted to

[4:40:39] Trustee Busheikin: put a motion on the table that we ask staff to come back with more detailed um uh a more detailed

[4:40:47] Trustee Busheikin: proposal for a for a budget request for the freshwater sustainability strategy we already

[4:40:55] Trustee Patrick: already did we did that motion Laura did we okay well we won thereabouts like that I don't think

[4:41:08] Trustee Busheikin: we did I think we said let's not do that till the end of the meeting and everyone said yeah

[4:41:12] Trustee Busheikin: I don't think there's a motion like that I think the only motion was about the student because I

[4:41:20] Trustee Busheikin: you know Stefan is waiting for I think waiting or hoping for direction I mean I I like what you

[4:41:27] Trustee Busheikin: you presented Director Chermak as a big, broad, something to bring back. But as I said, I think

[4:41:34] Trustee Busheikin: being too broad and not specific enough isn't that good. So anyway, let's hear from Director

[4:41:39] Trustee Busheikin: Chermak for now.

[4:41:42] Voice 17: I'm thankful. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm thankful to my fellow directors who

[4:41:47] Voice 17: are quietly sending me information while we're listening and talking. And I'm floundering in

[4:41:52] Voice 17: my first meeting trying to guide you for your project for your end of term. Last year, or in

[4:41:58] Voice 17: November 21st, 2018, last term, at the end of it, there was a resolution from the Trust Programs Committee anyways, and it was just a placeholder.

[4:42:11] Voice 17: And it was a very simple briefing.

[4:42:13] Voice 17: The purpose was to advise the FPC of a request for the next fiscal year.

[4:42:19] Voice 17: That was it.

[4:42:20] Voice 17: And then the background says that they, let's imagine the local planning committee requests that the trust council include $25,000 for local planning committee strategic plan projects in the next fiscal budget.

[4:42:31] Voice 17: That's it.

[4:42:32] Voice 17: That's all they did.

[4:42:34] Voice 17: So, you know, that's what was done last term.

[4:42:37] Voice 17: That's what Director Marder wrote.

[4:42:38] Voice 17: And it was forwarded to me by, well, not Director Marder, but so, you know, simple makes my life easy.

[4:42:45] Voice 17: if you make that simple resolution then we'll just forward out and then we can you can have

[4:42:49] Voice 17: it debated at trust council and fpc level and i won't do any business cases i won't do any work

[4:42:54] Voice 17: and then i'll work with the people in the new term and they can figure out how they want to

[4:42:57] Voice 17: spend that money as

[4:43:00] Trustee Busheikin: long as that works for the timing of the budget so yeah thank you and thanks

[4:43:04] Trustee Busheikin: for that clarification and to the directors in the background uh director marler yeah thank you

[4:43:10] Voice 19: Robert

[4:43:10] Voice 3: Barlow wants your attention.

[4:43:13] Trustee Busheikin: Who wants my attention?

[4:43:16] Voice 15: Robert Barlow.

[4:43:17] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[4:43:18] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[4:43:19] Voice 15: Chair, I just want to make sure that you do know that you've got the motion on the floor now.

[4:43:26] Voice 15: The motion that was tabled for $25,000, you brought it back and you've amended it to $100,000, but it hasn't been voted on.

[4:43:36] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, thank you.

[4:43:38] Trustee Busheikin: I realized that and I think we're still yeah I guess we

[4:43:42] Trustee Busheikin: can vote on that because I think we've

[4:43:43] Trustee Busheikin: yeah I think because now we're talking about do we need additional work so why don't I just

[4:43:48] Trustee Busheikin: back off thank you thank you Robert and yeah I think we have two separate topics one is how much

[4:43:57] Trustee Busheikin: money we're asking for and one is do we want staff do we want to direct further work right now

[4:44:03] Trustee Busheikin: for staff to work on getting more detail about that.

[4:44:07] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm going to call the question on the motion

[4:44:13] Trustee Busheikin: for the $100,000 placeholder.

[4:44:18] Trustee Busheikin: So, and Director Marler, can you take your hand down?

[4:44:22] Trustee Busheikin: Otherwise, I think you'll be counted as voting

[4:44:24] Trustee Busheikin: on the motion.

[4:44:25] Trustee Busheikin: So unless there's any really important

[4:44:28] Trustee Busheikin: last minute comments or questions,

[4:44:30] Trustee Busheikin: you all know what we're voting on.

[4:44:31] Trustee Busheikin: we're voting on putting in a request to fpc financial planning committee for a hundred

[4:44:36] Trustee Busheikin: thousand dollars as a placeholder for the incoming rpc budget all in favor okay so six in favor lower

[4:44:52] Trustee Busheikin: your hand uh there's none opposed because i believe there's six of us at this point

[4:44:57] Trustee Busheikin: any opposed i was asked so okay that motion carries thank you so now it's just the question

[4:45:03] Trustee Busheikin: of it in order to keep moving with the budget cycle that's my concern do we need to start

[4:45:09] Trustee Busheikin: getting business cases together david marla go ahead thank

[4:45:14] Voice 1: you so the business cases would go to

[4:45:17] Voice 1: october financial planning committee um anything that we would have for them and then again at the

[4:45:25] Voice 1: next financial planning committee which would be the um the new financial planning committee

[4:45:30] Voice 1: And I think that is the one that would be important to get business cases to to provide specifics for the new committee.

[4:45:39] Voice 1: I don't think the outgoing financial planning committee is going to be in a position to want to do too much detail.

[4:45:47] Voice 1: Could be wrong. So what I what I was thinking, what I would suggest is that with this placeholder,

[4:45:54] Voice 1: I think it would be difficult for planning staff to come back with recommendations when we don't have a strategic plan that we can fall back on, because that's what we would look to.

[4:46:06] Voice 1: So what we'd be looking at is really the freshwater strategy, because that's really the big piece that continues on, and maybe some other areas that staff feel could be dealt with.

[4:46:18] Voice 1: and also looking at your list of projects and maybe indicating which of those could be advanced

[4:46:26] Voice 1: but in lieu of having a strategic plan it's a little bit difficult to know where council's

[4:46:33] Voice 1: going to go next term so I think my advice would be to let this lie as a placeholder until

[4:46:44] Voice 1: until we have a new council and then we can focus with the incoming regional planning committee on

[4:46:53] Voice 1: what the specifics of that hundred thousand dollars would look like thank

[4:47:00] Voice 7: you i'm happy to

[4:47:01] Voice 7: do that and if anyone doesn't want to now

[4:47:03] Trustee Busheikin: is the time to put your hand up and make a motion

[4:47:05] Trustee Busheikin: with other another approach and thank you um for clarifying that and i'm really kind of sorry to

[4:47:13] Trustee Busheikin: everyone that the conversation went on for so long i feel like we were a little bit um struggling

[4:47:18] Trustee Busheikin: the moment of all this um so i'm gonna uh move us on i think we're done with uh with the whole

[4:47:28] Trustee Busheikin: question of um the budget request and all we have to do is uh go on to item 11 is next meeting and

[4:47:35] Trustee Busheikin: And I'll just note out loud that it's Wednesday, November 16th, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.

[4:47:42] Trustee Busheikin: And just before adjourning, I just I want to, again, thank everyone.

[4:47:47] Trustee Busheikin: I want to thank each and every one of you.

[4:47:49] Trustee Busheikin: This has been a really productive four years.

[4:47:54] Trustee Busheikin: So this has been a great team to work with.

[4:47:57] Trustee Busheikin: It's my second term on this committee.

[4:48:00] Trustee Busheikin: and um i you know i've really um i think we've gotten like more into things this term i know

[4:48:09] Trustee Busheikin: we've had better staff resourcing like more of it um and it's it's been a great term and i want to

[4:48:15] Trustee Busheikin: thank everyone you are doing public service on behalf of our communities on behalf of our

[4:48:20] Trustee Busheikin: ecosystems um it is really important even though if it sometimes seems that we're just staring at

[4:48:27] Trustee Busheikin: documents and you know discussing details we're actually working for a really good cause i mean

[4:48:33] Trustee Busheikin: extremely important cause here um and i also want to thank our amazing staff uh that have

[4:48:41] Trustee Busheikin: served us really well uh director marler uh planner chadwick um the uh senior freshwater

[4:48:50] Trustee Busheikin: water advisor specialist shulba um although she's not here lisa wilcox also has um really

[4:49:00] Trustee Busheikin: supported us wonderfully and although she's not really assigned to us director freighter

[4:49:05] Trustee Busheikin: and most recently um director chair mac and um also um and i don't know your position but robert

[4:49:15] Trustee Busheikin: Barlow who has done amazing work like just keeping everything organized getting the minutes done

[4:49:22] Trustee Busheikin: getting the meeting notices out and keeping us on track when we need that always in a such a

[4:49:29] Trustee Busheikin: respectful way and I've probably left some people out so if I've left you out I'm sorry

[4:49:36] Trustee Busheikin: sorry. Thank you. So I see Trustee Wolverton is your hand up for a reason. And Stanford, go ahead.

[4:49:47] Voice 5: Yes, it's up for a reason just to thank you for your leadership with this unruly group. And

[4:49:55] Voice 5: and also the the other trustees for stepping up with good resolutions just on the fly. And

[4:50:06] Voice 5: And for all the staff support that you've given us over the last four years.

[4:50:10] Voice 5: Thank you.

[4:50:12] Voice 5: Thank you.

[4:50:14] Voice 5: Trustee Stanford.

[4:50:16] Trustee Stamford: Thank you, Laura.

[4:50:17] Trustee Stamford: You have been an excellent chair of the RPC.

[4:50:21] Trustee Stamford: This is a very, very complex series of projects.

[4:50:25] Trustee Stamford: You've handled this admirably.

[4:50:27] Trustee Stamford: And I'm really going to miss you if I am successful in the next term.

[4:50:31] Trustee Stamford: And I think we all will.

[4:50:34] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[4:50:35] Trustee Busheikin: I will miss you too.

[4:50:36] Trustee Busheikin: too. And I'll miss the work. Yeah. But I'll be doing other interesting things. And I'm still

[4:50:44] Trustee Busheikin: going to engage. You can be sure I'll probably be on the APC and coming to meetings and saying,

[4:50:52] Trustee Busheikin: I was a trustee for 11 years. So that being said, I'm going to adjourn our meeting still a little

[4:50:59] Trustee Busheikin: bit earlier. Seven minutes are ahead of schedule. I adjourn this meeting and thank you all and see

[4:51:07] Trustee Busheikin: you at Trust Council.

[4:51:10] Voice 19: Bye, everybody.