Mayne Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, October 24, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh so thank you um uh welcome to the actually this is the regular meeting of the uh main island

[0:00:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): local uh trust committee uh thank you very much uh it's uh october the 24th um we're

[0:00:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): i guess we're nine days post-election uh but uh we're um we're broadcasting and zooming in

[0:00:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hello and welcome. There's one chair here. You might want to grab one or have a seat here.

[0:00:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you. Coming from Main Island, I want to begin by acknowledging that we're grateful and privileged to be able to work and live in the traditional territories of the Salish people of the island.

[0:00:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): and of course this is an area of many Coast Salish peoples including the Sarasota nation and

[0:01:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're very fortunate to be here I'm pleased I always think about it as I travel across the

[0:01:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Salish Sea it's awesome to hear to come to the meeting we're we're in the this is the

[0:01:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): i call them

[0:01:18] Voice 16: island

[0:01:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm on sometimes um and uh we're here with about i'm gonna say 25 21 21

[0:01:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): folks uh with us in person and i see so far we have uh two attendees um this meeting is being

[0:01:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh three now uh it's being a live stream it's being recorded and it's being uh also it's a

[0:01:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): webinar that people can join if you're watching the live stream and you want to join us to ask

[0:01:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): a question during the community information meeting or or speak to the local trust committee

[0:01:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): you have to get off the live stream and join with the webinar and there are two different links on

[0:02:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): the website um to allow you to do that because if you're live streamed you can't you can't interact

[0:02:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): act with us so if you want to interact please take those steps to do that um and uh so we're

[0:02:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): very pleased to be able to uh to uh bring this virtual meeting to uh people who can't be here

[0:02:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): or want but want to watch and i i know that on many of the islands people watch uh uh watch

[0:02:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): either the recording or the live stream because i am actually people come up to me and i'm very

[0:02:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): silent i saw you on tv and i'm like well i don't think you did but they saw me on the live stream

[0:02:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they recognized me my

[0:02:49] Voice 6: name is dan

[0:02:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): rogers i'm the chair of the main uh island uh local trust

[0:02:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee uh because i'm a member of the executive committee of island's trust for about another

[0:03:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): over three and a half weeks and um with me are your two local uh trustees and your two local

[0:03:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): elected re-elected trustees uh janine dodds and trustee god saying that trustee david want and

[0:03:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh thank you very much and congratulations to everybody who runs um and uh you know it's always

[0:03:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): always important to participate in. It's an interesting time for sure. Also with us today

[0:03:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): is Pat Todd, who's our recorder, who's well known, I know, on Maine Island. And down here we have

[0:03:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): planner Marissa Chadwick, who you'll be hearing from from time to time. And I'm sorry, I've

[0:03:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): forgotten charlie's last name capra who is a planner technician with the island uh capra

[0:03:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you who is the planner technician with islands trust and who's joining us today because

[0:04:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): they were she and larissa were doing some site visits so um we have our meeting today as i

[0:04:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): already told you the technical technical issues there will be a presentation a little bit later

[0:04:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): today a little bit later this afternoon um and we're working our way towards making sure that

[0:04:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): it can be broadcast and live streamed and connecting by webinar and thank you very much

[0:04:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll talk a little bit more about the community information meeting when we get to it uh but let's

[0:04:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): do this first thing first is does anybody have any i have one thing to add to the agenda i'm

[0:04:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to propose because we now have a package to adopt some bylaws that we've given third reading

[0:04:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): because we just recently got notification that the minister has approved them and we put out

[0:04:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): 11.2 bylaws 186 and 187 is that fine with both the trustees so we'll deal with those at um uh

[0:04:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): at 11.2 of the agenda is there anything else to add or subtract yes

[0:05:02] Voice 3: um

[0:05:08] Voice 3: well

[0:05:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can we deal with that next regular

[0:05:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): meeting under 14.1

[0:05:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay yeah yeah

[0:05:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll just put that in there yeah um and we'll deal with that and anything else you

[0:05:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to talk about about scheduling i know there would be normally a a a meeting scheduled for the

[0:05:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): 21st of november which is not going to be possible for a variety of reasons so um we do have so i'll

[0:05:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): take the uh agenda approved as amended uh and we'll uh start the meeting with with our normal

[0:05:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): This is your opportunity to address the trust committee related to items that are on our agenda or we're on our work program or issues you think we

[0:05:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): should be aware of.

[0:05:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): However, I want to point out that of course we have a community information meeting immediately following the town hall that will be addressing the main island housing society application, and it will be your opportunity there to ask questions

[0:06:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): get information ask questions of the staff of the applicant there'll be a presentation so

[0:06:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you have questions or uh around the community information meeting that around the main island

[0:06:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): housing society that you wish to you may wish you i would ask you to hold them until we get

[0:06:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the community information i will say one thing though that because there is occasionally a

[0:06:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): misunderstanding about what a cim community information meeting is um cim is not a public

[0:06:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): hearing uh that's a different process that we haven't got to yet although we have one currently

[0:06:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): scheduled for november the 14th on this particular issue and a public hearing is when you tell us

[0:06:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): what you think about the um about a particular proposal or or a bylaw or or an application or

[0:07:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): something like like that and so the community information meeting is related to

[0:07:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): getting questions on the table and getting them answered so so you'll have opportunity to do that

[0:07:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): i know it says uh that there's only an hour set aside but i'm all i'm quite confident we'll create

[0:07:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): more space than that for that period of time because i think it's important to do that

[0:07:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): although this application has been around for a while we've had lots of opportunity for engagement

[0:07:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): i know there still remain a number of questions so we'll create more time than that uh however

[0:07:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): However, just keep in mind that so if you have questions or information you're seeking related to that save it for the CIM. So let's use this town hall for other issues.

[0:07:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you. So, does anybody wish to speak to the trust committee regaining regarding it during the town hall.

[0:07:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i guess we're all here for one reason and one reason only which is fair enough it's uh

[0:08:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know we're at the end of our term uh and uh so that's fair enough so uh so that's great so

[0:08:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm gonna then take us to the cim so here's the way this is going i'm sorry for the jargon it

[0:08:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): comes from eight years on the job um the community information meeting so here's what's the way this

[0:08:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): is going to um to work um there will be a presentation from planner chadwick which will

[0:08:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): basically be about what the structure of the bylaws is and what the status of the application

[0:08:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): is and where we're at in the process uh there will then be a presentation um from the applicant

[0:08:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh the the main island housing society i i know we have three of them in the room with us today

[0:08:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i'll sort of try and get the camera on them when they're speaking we also have a couple of um

[0:08:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh we have a couple of i saw keith erickson there i don't know if anybody else is around arrived yet

[0:09:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh oh there's al kovac uh so i know that a couple of the uh uh the the the experts that have been

[0:09:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): retained by the the applicant are here as well but they'll be here uh by video zoom

[0:09:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): by zoom link and we'll walk us through you might want to turn your if you want to watch what's

[0:09:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): going on in terms of the presentation we might take a moment to rearrange yourselves to watch

[0:09:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): the because it's going to be up on the screen over there and those of you at home will be sharing

[0:09:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): what's going up on the screen there so why don't we just take a moment to do that uh just put

[0:09:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): yourself in a position where you feel comfortable watching the material going up on the screen

[0:09:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): if your eyes are as bad as mine you might want to lose a little move a little bit closer

[0:09:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and we'll regather so we just want to make sure everybody has an opportunity to see what's

[0:09:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): happening and uh thank you for i for for the technician who i've never met i saw him wandering

[0:10:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): around there he is thanks for

[0:10:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): setting this up and i'm now going to turn it over to planner chadwick

[0:10:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): who is going to share her screen and uh and and then when we get to the african i'll ask

[0:10:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): which of the um which of the people that are uh on this on the attendee list you want to be promoted

[0:10:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): but we'll get to that in time so we'll

[0:10:23] Voice 7: work our way

[0:10:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): through this so go ahead planner chatter once

[0:10:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're ready to go where

[0:10:42] Voice 3: can i sit can i just sit here because everybody can see me and i think

[0:10:45] Voice 3: uh

[0:10:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): i can move the camera a little bit i think what's showing on the screen now but it's the

[0:10:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's the it's the microphone is in here as well um

[0:11:00] Voice 3: okay yeah okay so i'm just going to provide

[0:11:05] Voice 3: just a little bit of a context on the applications the background um so this project um it's a

[0:11:13] Voice 3: rezoning of a of a 335 village bay road to comment accommodate the development of up to 10 units of

[0:11:20] Voice 3: multifamily uh rental housing uh to be built and operated by the main island housing society

[0:11:28] Voice 3: and then um so it involves two bylaws one is um an amendment to the oc the

[0:11:51] Voice 3: bylaw 181 so that designates the proposed uh multi-family rental housing portion of

[0:11:59] Voice 3: of the larger property which is about 10 acres it designates it to from rural to multi-family

[0:12:08] Voice 3: residential and then the landings by law by law 183 that's going to enable the creation of three

[0:12:15] Voice 3: lots um and and the property is proposed to be split zoned and you can see here um the two areas

[0:12:22] Voice 3: So the one area which will accommodate the housing project will be a comprehensive development

[0:12:30] Voice 3: three zone and it will be written to accommodate specifically that development and then the

[0:12:40] Voice 3: second portion of that lot which will then be two separate lots so it needs to be rezoned

[0:12:47] Voice 3: to enable the subdivision of of that remaining portion two um and that will be uh designated a

[0:12:55] Voice 3: new uh a site-specific zone within the rural area and then to the bylaws we have a section

[0:13:08] Voice 3: uh to the uh the application we have a section 219 covenant so this restricts subdivision to

[0:13:16] Voice 3: the lots that are identified it restricts building area on lot three and lot two um

[0:13:23] Voice 3: what's been identified within the covenant it restricts building um until after the approval

[0:13:29] Voice 3: of a water treatment center system it includes requirements for ongoing maintenance of the water

[0:13:34] Voice 3: treatment center system it restricts building until uh until the design for septic has been

[0:13:42] Voice 3: prepared um restricts building to what is in accordance with recommendations of the

[0:13:46] Voice 3: ecological assessment report and wetlands restoration report which we'll probably hear

[0:13:51] Voice 3: a bit more of later it restricts the commencement of building on lot two um until occupancy is

[0:13:58] Voice 3: received for five buildings on lot three um and this restriction uh will expire in five years

[0:14:04] Voice 3: after the date uh that the land is subdivided um so in addition to a covenant we've got a

[0:14:12] Voice 3: housing agreement so the housing agreement um it establishes the minimum uh construction

[0:14:20] Voice 3: requirements and the type of the mix of units that defines qualified renters it defines rental rates

[0:14:29] Voice 3: and I've just pulled out what that looks like so essentially it looks at the the average of

[0:14:38] Voice 3: rents being below 50 percent of the average of incomes for one person households and couples

[0:14:45] Voice 3: based on statistics candidate data it establishes monitoring reporting requirements and criteria for

[0:14:54] Voice 3: for tenancy next slide is next steps so those are the basic components of this application

[0:15:03] Voice 3: um so next steps um will be the public hearing which is now scheduled for november the 14th

[0:15:10] Voice 3: and following public hearing would be the consideration of second and third reading um

[0:15:16] Voice 3: um and the of the two bylaws the land use file and the um official community plan amendment

[0:15:25] Voice 3: then the consideration of a final reading of uh of housing agreement and then the signing of the

[0:15:33] Voice 3: housing agreement covenant and then um the bylaws will refer to the executive committee

[0:15:42] Voice 3: um and then if approved bylaw 181 because that's the community community plan amendment would be

[0:15:50] Voice 3: sent uh to the minister of municipal affairs for approval the covenant will be registered on title

[0:16:00] Voice 3: um and then if approved the three bylaws the housing agreement the land use file amendment

[0:16:07] Voice 3: and the ocp amendment will be returned to the ltc for consideration of adoption

[0:16:11] Voice 3: often. And then once they've been adopted, then notice of

[0:16:15] Voice 3: housing agreement will be registered on title. So that's

[0:16:17] Voice 3: that's the process. And now I'll bring up the presentation.

[0:16:45] Voice 21: Okay. Do we have the consulting team? Like able to?

[0:16:50] Voice 22: What

[0:16:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): do you need?

[0:16:52] Voice 22: Do we have Keith and Al and Carl?

[0:16:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): They're here. I'll bring I'll ask them to be. Robin, can you

[0:17:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Can you move Keith, Carl Williams, and Keith Erickson to panelists, please?

[0:17:23] Voice 7: There's Keith.

[0:17:34] Voice 21: And

[0:17:35] Voice 7: Alan Corlatt's the other one, Ron.

[0:17:57] Voice 12: All right.

[0:17:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, and I just would ask you to also, if you could try and speak up, because the microphone

[0:18:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): is here for anybody watching, so over to you.

[0:18:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): you what

[0:18:09] Voice 12: i'd like to say when we start our presentations or any of our public meetings

[0:18:16] Voice 12: is that here on main island we acknowledge the deep privilege of living upon the unceded and

[0:18:22] Voice 12: asserted territories of the los angeles people the sartlet first nation and the

[0:18:27] Voice 12: speaking people who have called this land home from time immemorial and i'd like to say thank

[0:18:36] Voice 12: you to trustees dodds and maude and chair rogers for scheduling the community information meeting

[0:18:42] Voice 12: and the upcoming public hearing so that the same people who have heard this application from the

[0:18:48] Voice 12: very beginning can hear it through the process there are two very important meetings for us

[0:18:56] Voice 12: and thank you also to planner chadwick for your support and guidance to getting us to this place

[0:19:01] Voice 12: welcome to the community members who have joined us in this hall and on the phone for this meeting

[0:19:07] Voice 12: and of course my appreciation to the consultants who have joined us to briefly explain their work

[0:19:13] Voice 12: and be available to answer questions i'll introduce them in short order our appreciation

[0:19:19] Voice 12: of david ray for driving the technical pieces of this hybrid zoom meeting today we will briefly

[0:19:25] Voice 12: cover the following topics the community need and project overview affordability policy groundwater

[0:19:34] Voice 12: water management ecological considerations wetland report and we'll move into beyond rezoning

[0:19:41] Voice 12: me and now i'd like to introduce who's here with us today with me today is david brown our vice

[0:19:50] Voice 12: president of main island housing society and elaine gibson who's here with us for development

[0:19:55] Voice 12: consultant with wiser project alan kohut is on the is on will join us by zoom he's the hydro

[0:20:03] Voice 12: geologist with high geo consulting keith erickson is registered professional biologist carl willem

[0:20:11] Voice 12: is a professional engineer with msr solutions we're very pleased to be working with these very

[0:20:17] Voice 12: skilled consultants all with experience on the gulf islands and again our appreciation for all

[0:20:23] Voice 12: of you for being here with us today now i'll turn this over to eleni who will take us forward into

[0:20:28] Voice 12: the details of the project thanks

[0:20:31] Voice 22: ben um so as i said i'm eleni i'm a planner and a development

[0:20:35] Voice 22: consultant and i've been working with the main island housing society for um almost two two

[0:20:40] Voice 22: years now i think or just about two years on this project um and so most of you probably know this

[0:20:46] Voice 22: but i think it's always good to cover the community need and why we're even here talking

[0:20:50] Voice 22: about this project um so there was a 2016 housing needs report done for the southern gulf islands by

[0:20:57] Voice 22: the crd the capital regional district and that in combination with a survey done by the main

[0:21:02] Voice 22: housing society indicated that there is an urgent need for affordable rental housing um i think

[0:21:09] Voice 22: probably everyone is familiar with the changing dynamics um it's happening all across the province

[0:21:13] Voice 22: but definitely happening on the southern gulf islands so there's a the data indicates a clear

[0:21:18] Voice 22: need for affordable housing and the housing society itself grew out of um the main island

[0:21:24] Voice 22: housing forum um which was just a group of people talking about potential solutions um back in 2018

[0:21:30] Voice 22: or prior to that even um but in 2018 the group incorporated into the housing society

[0:21:35] Voice 22: and have been behind the efforts to actually construct affordable rental housing on the island.

[0:21:44] Voice 22: So I won't spend too much time on this.

[0:21:47] Voice 22: Planner Chadwick went over this really well.

[0:21:49] Voice 22: The location is at 375 Village Bay Road.

[0:21:53] Voice 22: The land has been really generously donated by a private citizen, Dr. Sean McHugh, and it'll create a total of two new lots.

[0:22:01] Voice 22: So one lot is going to become three lots.

[0:22:03] Voice 22: the one that we're speaking about today for the rezoning it will be three acres as well

[0:22:08] Voice 22: as Nerissa mentioned it's free zone from rural to comprehensive development three to allow for

[0:22:14] Voice 22: affordable rental housing and we're looking at two draft bylaws for the OCP amendment and the

[0:22:19] Voice 22: land use bylaw amendment the proposal is to construct 10 units of affordable rental housing

[0:22:27] Voice 22: these will be a mix of one two to three bedroom units again as Nerissa mentioned there will be

[0:22:33] Voice 22: a housing agreement which secures affordability and perpetuity for the site and make sure that

[0:22:37] Voice 22: it's not just a market development it will be affordable rental housing lady

[0:22:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): i hate to

[0:22:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): interrupt you but what you're showing there is not broadcasting on the computer um it's

[0:22:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're still on uh narissa's slides oh um sorry to interrupt

[0:23:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): up well now we can see yes now we can see his slides right i wasn't seeing it but i thought

[0:23:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): i would make a mistake but keith texted me and said that that was correct so uh now

[0:23:31] Voice 22: we can see it

[0:23:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes now we've seen okay

[0:23:33] Voice 22: okay hopefully it was easy to follow without the slide um so yeah there's the

[0:23:40] Voice 22: housing agreement securing the afford the level of affordability for the the units and there's

[0:23:44] Voice 22: section 219 covenant which restricts how development can happen on the site and those

[0:23:50] Voice 22: restrictions in the covenant were based on reports by the professionals and the consultants that we've

[0:23:55] Voice 22: hired some of whom are here today and it

[0:23:58] Voice 22: makes sure that development happens in a responsible way

[0:24:01] Voice 22: and that there's nothing unexpected that comes up down the line so the affordability of the project

[0:24:10] Voice 22: it's a little bit complicated to wrap your head around there's a few different calculations that

[0:24:14] Voice 22: have to happen but the goal was to come up with something that was flexible and could fit into

[0:24:19] Voice 22: any um funding pot that might be available whether it's housing cmhc or something else

[0:24:25] Voice 22: but also actually make sure that it's affordable for residents of main island

[0:24:29] Voice 22: so what we landed on um was actually something taken from several projects on galliano

[0:24:34] Voice 22: that

[0:24:35] Voice 1: are in the

[0:24:35] Voice 22: process of being approved right now um so we took the same affordability criteria

[0:24:39] Voice 22: as there, which is that on average the rents will be set at or below 30% of the median

[0:24:46] Voice 22: income earners in the southern Gulf Island electoral area, as reported by Statistics

[0:24:52] Voice 22: Canada, so it would be census data.

[0:24:54] Voice 22: For eligibility, Maine Island residents will be prioritized, as will Indigenous and First

[0:25:00] Voice 22: Nations peoples with claims to Maine Island.

[0:25:04] Voice 22: The target is for low and moderate income families and the income limits for being able to even rent the units are set by BC Housing. We use their low and moderate income limits.

[0:25:15] Voice 22: And if the project does happen to be funded by BC Housing, one of their requirements is that potential residents must be registered on the BC Housing waitlist.

[0:25:24] Voice 22: But beyond that, it's the society's discretion at who gets the units.

[0:25:31] Voice 22: Oh, and just one more thing on that last slide that the final project funder whether it be easy housing CMHC Federation municipalities, they all have their own affordability criteria.

[0:25:43] Voice 22: And so to be able to get that funding will have to match their criteria and most

[0:25:48] Voice 22: likely that'll deepen the level of affordability.

[0:25:50] Voice 22: So, the housing agreement is sort of a minimum standard that needs to be met, but most likely those units will be even more affordable than what that standard requires.

[0:26:02] Voice 22: So policy alignment, through many meetings and many reports and a lot of analysis by staff, it's been determined that the density is allowable in the OCP for something like affordable housing.

[0:26:13] Voice 22: thing the donation of the land for community use which in this case is for affordable housing

[0:26:19] Voice 22: community housing that's considered an amenity which basically also allows that density

[0:26:24] Voice 22: and the proposed bylaws do um adhere to the island's trust policy statement directive

[0:26:34] Voice 22: so now i'll hand it over to al kokat um our hydrogeologist who's joining us via zoom

[0:26:40] Voice 22: i

[0:26:44] Voice 21: think we need to let him he's here

[0:26:46] Voice 21: he was here

[0:26:49] Voice 13: good afternoon good afternoon everyone

[0:26:51] Voice 13: uh can you hear me all right

[0:26:53] Voice 7: okay

[0:26:54] Voice 13: um well i'm very pleased to be here and um i'm going to be

[0:27:01] Voice 13: talking about the water supply for this uh proposed uh housing development and it is coming

[0:27:08] Voice 13: coming from a well uh showing on the subject property it's uh on the slide is the pumped well

[0:27:15] Voice 13: and it is 140 feet deep it's a bedrock well and in this area this is hydrologically this is a

[0:27:27] Voice 13: groundwater discharge area so the groundwater is moving towards the land surface water levels are

[0:27:33] Voice 13: generally relatively shallow and there's a number of flowing wells down slope and springs in this

[0:27:42] Voice 13: area and these are the wells that are are shown that were identified in my report i should point

[0:27:51] Voice 13: out that there may not be every well that i that is exists in the area but i think we tried to do

[0:27:57] Voice 13: our best in the inventory um next slide please so this well was tested for 72 hours in october

[0:28:11] Voice 13: 2020 and this slide just shows the time of year it was tested it was tested at the optimum time

[0:28:17] Voice 13: of year in in late uh fall uh this graph is from the provincial observation well that is monitored

[0:28:27] Voice 13: water on main island um could I have the next slide please so when the well was first um uh

[0:28:38] Voice 13: constructed the water level was very relatively close to the ground surface and the drillers in

[0:28:46] Voice 13: or driller encountered major water bearing fracture zones at 106 to 111 feet and the

[0:28:53] Voice 13: driller rated the well at 20 u.s gallons per minute so this is a relatively large

[0:29:00] Voice 13: rated well in terms of most on the gulf islands there are some that are higher but this is

[0:29:07] Voice 13: a very good well for considering its depth next slide please so the well was pump tested for 72

[0:29:17] Voice 13: hours at a rate of 3.13 US gallons per minute, 11, almost 12 liters per minute. And the drawdown

[0:29:28] Voice 13: at the end of the test, the water level only declined 3.78 feet, which is a very small

[0:29:35] Voice 13: decline in the water level. And the projected drawdown, if that was extrapolated to 100 days,

[0:29:43] Voice 13: would only utilize 8.4 percent of the available drawdown in this well it's a very productive well

[0:29:52] Voice 13: so the estimated long-term yield has been rated at no more than what it was pumped at because often

[0:29:59] Voice 13: and Wells.

[0:30:00] Voice 13: behave differently at different pumping rates and the in comparison to the projected housing demand

[0:30:07] Voice 13: of 1.3 u.s gallons per minute it's certainly evident from the testing that this well is

[0:30:18] Voice 13: capable of meeting the the anticipated demand and at that rate of demand of only a very small

[0:30:26] Voice 13: small portion of the available drawdown in the well would be utilized the next slide so last

[0:30:34] Voice 13: year you remember how dry it was in the summer and then we had those torrential rains in the fall

[0:30:40] Voice 13: but we were able to monitor the water levels in the well and you can see from this graph

[0:30:48] Voice 13: that the water levels rose from October to February during that period.

[0:30:56] Voice 13: And you can see the water level rose from about 4.5 meters below ground

[0:31:07] Voice 13: up to about only 1.5 meters below ground.

[0:31:13] Voice 13: The precipitation during this period is shown in the next slide.

[0:31:17] Voice 13: and even though we had these significant precipitation events in November they did

[0:31:25] Voice 13: not register specifically as events on the water level graph I'll just go back to the water level

[0:31:34] Voice 13: graph there was a constant relatively constant increase in the water level or rise in the water

[0:31:42] Voice 13: level during this period of october to february and this is consistent with wells in discharge

[0:31:51] Voice 13: areas water levels are very close to the ground surface and they respond to the overall

[0:31:59] Voice 13: effects of precipitation the cumulative effects of the precipitation so next slide please i think

[0:32:09] Voice 13: that's that's it so the water supply i would just summarize is a very um viable

[0:32:17] Voice 13: source of water for this project and is more than enough to meet their their demand demands so i'll

[0:32:24] Voice 13: just leave it at that and i'll be pleased to answer any questions if you have on the proposed

[0:32:30] Voice 13: closed water supply thank you um

[0:32:36] Voice 22: so next we have Carl on the line from MSR Solutions and he'll talk

[0:32:40] Voice 22: about um some of the driveway work that they did for us and the water management plan that was

[0:32:45] Voice 22: prepared uh

[0:32:47] Voice 2: hello can everybody hear me yeah

[0:32:50] Voice 16: okay

[0:32:51] Voice 2: perfect yes uh so MSR Solutions um has been uh

[0:32:55] Voice 2: working on this project we did sort of a conceptual civil site plan including driveways

[0:33:02] Voice 2: parking access things of that nature which is still sort of in a conceptual stage pending

[0:33:09] Voice 2: finalization of the architectural plans and building layouts so that's sort of where that

[0:33:16] Voice 2: one is currently sitting is just in draft form additionally we sort of preemptively

[0:33:23] Voice 2: were asked to prepare a water management plan which is a document that's been required of

[0:33:30] Voice 2: other similar affordable housing applications on other gulf islands and so essentially it looks

[0:33:38] Voice 2: through a number of items including potable water demand recommended levels of treatment

[0:33:44] Voice 2: management, storage requirements of note on the storage requirements.

[0:33:50] Voice 2: There is a shuttle service provided by the local fire department.

[0:33:54] Voice 2: So it was determined that we don't need to keep fire water necessarily on site.

[0:34:01] Voice 2: It's more about storage for emergency use and things of that nature.

[0:34:07] Voice 2: And then also a conceptual stormwater management plan was drafted up again.

[0:34:13] Voice 2: subject to revision pending final architectural plans but the basic framework is in the conceptual

[0:34:22] Voice 2: plan and next slide so to unpack that stormwater management has been sort of brought to my

[0:34:34] Voice 2: attention as being a you know an important issue on this property I understand that upslope areas

[0:34:42] Voice 2: areas above it are providing a lot of runoff during heavy rain events. For example, last

[0:34:51] Voice 2: November during the atmospheric river, you know, there would have been quite a bit of

[0:34:55] Voice 2: water sheet flowing down the side of that mountain. Not just this mountain, pretty much

[0:35:00] Voice 2: every mountain during that event. So, you know, under the existing issues, you know, it is

[0:35:06] Voice 2: acknowledged by the proponents of this development that flows from upslope catchment areas do

[0:35:11] Voice 2: do transition through this property and you know it has been physically observed that soils

[0:35:19] Voice 2: have been sort of compacted and prone to saturation which can result in high runoff

[0:35:27] Voice 2: during rain events the soils aren't necessarily currently slowing things down very much they're

[0:35:34] Voice 2: just facilitating the stormwater passing along. It is worth noting, like from a regulatory

[0:35:42] Voice 2: perspective, for all developments, once you concentrate stormwater, you now are responsible

[0:35:50] Voice 2: for that. And by concentrate, I mean, like if you build a driveway, if you build a house,

[0:35:57] Voice 2: if you build anything on a property that concentrates the stormwater, then you will

[0:36:02] Voice 2: be required to have a stormwater management plan with infrastructure designed to ensure that post

[0:36:08] Voice 2: development peak flows match the pre-development conditions so you can't basically create a

[0:36:15] Voice 2: concrete jungle and then have water just sheet flowing into the neighbors you've got to manage

[0:36:20] Voice 2: it effectively in accordance with best standards um and so uh main island housing society has

[0:36:28] Voice 2: as considered going beyond minimum requirements.

[0:36:33] Voice 2: It is worth noting, like from a legal perspective,

[0:36:36] Voice 2: you're only required to match pre-development conditions.

[0:36:40] Voice 2: However, there is the intention of controlling

[0:36:43] Voice 2: the conveyance of rainwater,

[0:36:45] Voice 2: doing the wetland restoration work

[0:36:47] Voice 2: and actually slowing down peak runoff.

[0:36:50] Voice 2: In other words, creating a net benefit

[0:36:53] Voice 2: to the downslope properties,

[0:36:55] Voice 2: properties pending the successful completion of the development, and it was also noted by the main island housing society that the water management plan was done preemptively, as, as opposed to being mandated.

[0:37:11] Voice 2: I believe that's all my content, you can go to the next slide.

[0:37:16] Voice 22: So

[0:37:17] Voice 15: next up we have Keith

[0:37:18] Voice 22: Erickson who did an ecological assessment of the lake.

[0:37:22] Voice 17: Hello everyone. Am I coming through?

[0:37:25] Voice 21: Yeah.

[0:37:26] Voice 17: Great. Okay. Hello. My name's Keith. I'm a professional biologist contracted by the Housing Society in the summer of 2020 to complete the ecological assessment of the three-acre affordable housing lot.

[0:37:45] Voice 17: I'm going to give a brief overview of that work right now. The report that I produced

[0:37:52] Voice 17: provides a description of how the site fits into the broader surrounding ecological landscape,

[0:37:58] Voice 17: gives a summary of the historical human cause disturbances, and gives a detailed mapping and

[0:38:05] Voice 17: description of ecological communities that were found, and then provides some recommendations

[0:38:10] Voice 17: for minimizing the impacts of the proposed development on the ecological values.

[0:38:16] Voice 17: So for some context, I'll give you a sense of some of the disturbances.

[0:38:22] Voice 17: The property is located, as we know, on the gentle to moderate northwest-facing slope base of Mount Park.

[0:38:30] Voice 17: It's had an extensive history of human disturbance, including several logging entries dating back to the late 1800s,

[0:38:38] Voice 17: were the most recent in 2004.

[0:38:42] Voice 17: Soils have been impacted fairly significantly from grazing and ditching

[0:38:48] Voice 17: in the early years and then road building,

[0:38:51] Voice 17: the creation of landing and log sorting sites,

[0:38:55] Voice 17: and more ditching into the more recent years in the 2000s.

[0:39:00] Voice 17: These have had a significant impact on the hydrology, as we've heard.

[0:39:05] Voice 17: The compaction and ditching have decreased the effectiveness of the soils at absorbing moisture.

[0:39:12] Voice 17: The logging has reduced the biomass and the forest capacity to use and transpire the moisture from the soil into the air.

[0:39:19] Voice 17: And this combination has increased the volume and intensity of surface water that moves across the site.

[0:39:27] Voice 17: um it was noted that uh you know the surrounding properties on all sides exhibit similar

[0:39:33] Voice 17: um and albeit varying degrees of logging and land clearing and development for residential

[0:39:38] Voice 17: and agricultural purposes so it's this lot situated within uh similarly historically

[0:39:45] Voice 17: disturbed sites and and and similar residential and agricultural and forestry uses uh the results

[0:39:52] Voice 17: The results of the inventory and mapping showed three primary ecological communities that were mapped in accordance with their moisture and nutrients of the soils along the type and age of forest that's growing there now.

[0:40:09] Voice 17: We found a narrow strip of drier maturing Douglas fir, Oregon grape forest that includes a few large

[0:40:16] Voice 17: veteran Douglas fir trees along the southern boundary of the proposed lot on the lower part

[0:40:23] Voice 17: of the map there adjacent to the to Village Bay Road and that is ecological community one.

[0:40:30] Voice 17: We found a wet and rich soil regenerating forest that's recovering from the logging in the early 2000s

[0:40:39] Voice 17: and is largely now covered by young red alders, sword ferns, salmonberry, other wetland species.

[0:40:47] Voice 17: It also includes areas that have been heavily impacted from the road building and soil compaction areas.

[0:40:55] Voice 17: This is Ecological Community 2 with the sort of grayer area being in the middle of the lot, being the compacted zones.

[0:41:03] Voice 17: And then finally, we found some better drained but rich soiled areas that were subject to the same recent logging as Community 2 was,

[0:41:15] Voice 17: but are characterized by Douglas fir, grand fir, sword fern and salal.

[0:41:20] Voice 17: And these are shown as Ecological Community 3 on the map.

[0:41:24] Voice 17: So that's what we found, and then there were some recommendations that were put forward

[0:41:31] Voice 17: in order to minimize the impact on this.

[0:41:36] Voice 17: Oh, okay, we don't have those as a slide, but I can just relay them.

[0:41:41] Voice 17: So the recommendations in the report were, in summary, to minimize forest fragmentation

[0:41:47] Voice 17: by keeping the development as compact and centralized as possible, protecting the remnant

[0:41:53] Voice 17: and old forest structures like the veteran Douglas fir trees found in Ecological Community 1.

[0:42:00] Voice 17: Retain as much natural forest structure as possible on the site to minimize impacts to the wetland and moist forests

[0:42:10] Voice 17: that are found in Community O2, the wetter area, by focusing development on the drier,

[0:42:17] Voice 17: more recently logged areas in Ecological Community 3.

[0:42:20] Voice 17: And then finally to enhance the wildlife habitat and restore the soils and hydrology in the historically disturbed areas that are outside of the development footprint.

[0:42:34] Voice 17: And that's about it. That sums it up. So thanks for your time and I'll take questions at the appropriate time.

[0:42:43] Voice 22: So now Dave is going to speak to the wetland restoration report.

[0:42:48] Voice 22: In the ecological report, it was suggested that an arborist be consulted with respect to the large trees, meaning that the spurs and some standing dead trees, and that was done.

[0:43:01] In addition, Keith recommended we hire, Robin Anshel is a wetland restoration specialist.

[0:43:08] She has supervised and planned

[0:43:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): 270 wetland restorations, so much to again, a very experienced professional.

[0:43:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, he was requested to prepare a plan to cost them and give us guidelines to remediate

[0:43:30] plot three.

[0:43:31] In addition, we agreed in conjunction with the zoning landowner to extend the remediation

[0:43:38] to portions of plot two.

[0:43:40] Those recommendations are included in the S219 calendar and are intended to protect

[0:43:48] this

[0:43:48] Voice 21: sensitive wetland.

[0:43:49] Voice 21: And what will be done in that remediation is to remove compaction and logging rules through a process called rough and tough.

[0:44:06] Basically, the ground is disturbed, woody matter, coarse woody matter is mixed in, and the compacted surface is broken up.

[0:44:15] The woody matter rots down over time and it creates a surface that will both be better for regenerating plant growth, but also slow the surface flows of water.

[0:44:24] storing the micro micro photography is basically just roughing up and creating contour and lumps

[0:44:31] and small ponds and puddles as well as removing ditches to slow flow water across the land

[0:44:38] in addition robin suggested that we built two wetland ponds uh the larger one we'll see in

[0:44:44] the next picture is about um 23 by 16 meters quite large and a

[0:44:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): smaller one near the northern boundary

[0:44:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): of 9 by 17 meters. So what those are intended to do is to retain water for habitat but also to be

[0:44:58] a surge barrier or surge protector if there's increases of flow across the land. If a pond is

[0:45:06] not full it will absorb water up until its capacity and then

[0:45:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): that drainage is controlled

[0:45:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that it will basically capture a surge of water and then slowly bleed it down into the

[0:45:17] rest of the property we prioritize the ask to prioritize the force at wetland restoration

[0:45:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and to have the restoration be supervised by a qualified professional likely in this case

[0:45:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): so this is the map that shows those restoration zones in blue so you can see it's the northern

[0:45:41] portion of block three as well as a band that bridges lot two and lot three which is

[0:45:48] quite wet largely not a fully fledged forest but sporadic

[0:45:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): older growth and things like that so the

[0:45:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): wet the larger of the two ponds you can see is in an existing wet area and it will take water that

[0:46:06] is currently traveling

[0:46:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): by inches slow it and then allow it to further move along

[0:46:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): its normal course

[0:46:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): zones that you can see on lot two are the blue areas are to be restored the greener areas

[0:46:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): forest protection areas are not to be disturbed and there's a very limited one-third acre of that

[0:46:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): lot it's a permitted building so

[0:46:32] Voice 21: um

[0:46:35] Voice 22: all of that information that we gathered from the consultants

[0:46:38] Voice 22: and the reports and studies that they did led to the site planning and this is where we've landed

[0:46:44] Voice 22: um as you've heard there's a lot of things to consider when planning a site like this

[0:46:49] Voice 22: especially when you're attempting to protect ecological values as well. So this is our best

[0:46:54] Voice 22: attempt to try and balance those values and have the density that we're going for while maintaining

[0:46:59] Voice 22: some of those ecological areas. This is slightly vetted from the initial application. The driveway

[0:47:06] Voice 22: has changed a little bit through consultation with MSR. It goes further away from the neighboring

[0:47:11] Voice 22: property after the initial entrance. We're also trying to protect one of the large established

[0:47:17] Voice 22: establish trees on that

[0:47:19] Voice 22: west end of the property,

[0:47:22] Voice 22: and then have to accommodate the parking for the units as well.

[0:47:26] Voice 22: And so as I said, the site planning

[0:47:29] Voice 22: has taken into account the wetland report ecological

[0:47:33] Voice 22: assessment, the analysis by MSR, the slope of the site,

[0:47:38] Voice 22: the existing trees, and the recommendations

[0:47:39] Voice 22: from the arborist who did a report trying

[0:47:43] Voice 22: to protect ecological values.

[0:47:44] Voice 22: And some of the revisions were also

[0:47:47] Voice 22: based on feedback we got from the Advisory Planning Commission, the APC, which this project

[0:47:52] Voice 22: has actually been to twice. But after the initial meeting, we did make some changes to the site plan.

[0:47:59] Voice 22: So Nerissa covered this a little bit, but I'll just go through next steps.

[0:48:02] Voice 22: If all goes well with the rezoning and the bylaw amendments, the next step would be to apply for

[0:48:10] Voice 22: funding for the project. It's really, really hard to get full project funding for a project without

[0:48:14] Voice 22: the land secured and re-zoned because that can be such a challenge to do so once we do have the land

[0:48:19] Voice 22: secured and re-zoned we'll be applying for funding in parallel we'll have to apply for the subdivision

[0:48:24] Voice 22: um to actually subdivide off the triangle acre parcel and through that there's other layers of

[0:48:30] Voice 22: approval um like septic system approval and water treatment system approval so um the vancouver island

[0:48:37] Voice 22: health authority comes into play there as well so there's going to be additional levels of approval

[0:48:42] Voice 22: approval to make sure that this this site and the plans that we have can actually support the

[0:48:47] Voice 22: density that we're proposing um as funding is secured more detailed design will happen for

[0:48:54] Voice 22: the buildings um and we'll work towards building current drawings and building permits here are

[0:48:59] Voice 22: secured through the capital regional district so those are technical drawings um to make sure

[0:49:04] Voice 22: everything's up to code and be built responsibly in parallel to that we'll be finalizing the funding

[0:49:10] Voice 22: agreements this can be complex it's very likely there will be multiple funders so we just have

[0:49:16] Voice 22: to layer those things and work with everyone involved um and eventually we'll get to construction

[0:49:21] Voice 22: um for this site we're estimating 18 months it's hard to say exactly what it'll be um at this point

[0:49:27] Voice 22: because we don't have detailed drawings um but as an estimate we'll say 18 months and then at the

[0:49:32] Voice 22: end of that there will be 10 units of affordable housing so just to wrap up before we go to

[0:49:39] Voice 22: questions um i just want to reiterate how big of a milestone this is to have this meeting and then

[0:49:43] Voice 22: the public hearing and if all goes well to have the rezoning in place is really allows the housing

[0:49:48] Voice 22: society to move forward with applying for project funding um we do hear that there are concerns from

[0:49:54] Voice 22: the community um the society have been listening to them and really are trying to work towards

[0:50:00] Voice 22: addressing them and mitigating them wherever possible the society is open to collaborative

[0:50:04] Voice 22: collaborative solutions to concerns that are heard and we do want to hear those in and make sure that

[0:50:09] Voice 22: we're trying to address them and also reiterating that there's a really robust approvals process and

[0:50:16] Voice 22: some things that folks might want more information about now unfortunately we might not have right

[0:50:21] Voice 22: now but there are approvals for those things like the septic system for example that'll be coming a

[0:50:27] Voice 22: bit later development is really complex it's really difficult on any site whether it's urban

[0:50:34] Voice 22: in our rural um there's many layers of approvals and affordable housing is even more challenging

[0:50:39] Voice 22: because we're working off grants and funds public funds um so the society is doing the best they can

[0:50:46] Voice 22: and we've come really far with this project and we're excited to keep going with it

[0:50:50] Voice 22: um and ultimately achieving this rezoning is a huge benefit to the community because

[0:50:56] Voice 22: even if for some reason the housing isn't able to be built immediately having land that's zoned

[0:51:01] Voice 22: for affordable housing is a huge benefit because the society or another organization could come in

[0:51:07] Voice 22: and and build that housing where um if the rezoning isn't achieved there's no land sort of

[0:51:12] Voice 22: easily available for this kind of housing so the rezoning is just a really big deal for this kind

[0:51:17] Voice 22: of project and for the community so please

[0:51:20] Voice 22: so that's the information we have um i think i'll

[0:51:24] Voice 22: hand it back to chair rogers now to facilitate the questions okay

[0:51:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): great thanks very much for

[0:51:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): the presentation um i think the the three um consultants are still with us uh and so they

[0:51:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): are available for questions so this is your opportunity to ask

[0:51:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): ask questions as i indicated earlier in the in the days we work here already um this is not this is

[0:51:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): not the time this is not a public hearing this is the time for you to get your questions answered

[0:51:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): In other words, to find out whatever information you need, to be curious, to find out if you've got a question about this project or you want to know something that you're not clear on,

[0:52:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is the time for you to ask those questions, get that information, or at least set up a scenario where we can get that information for you.

[0:52:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have a public hearing scheduled for three weeks from today and that's of course the time

[0:52:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): when it's your time to tell us what you think about the application. So given that that's an

[0:52:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): important time for the community input into the application, it's important for you in my mind

[0:52:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyway and hopefully in yours for you to have all of your information. So please make sure your

[0:52:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): your questions are are actually questions um we have very clever people who live all over the

[0:52:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): gulf islands that often build um uh statements or or points of view into their questions rather

[0:52:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): than asking for more information um and uh but so we'd rather you this is as i said your time

[0:53:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): to ask your questions be respectful we understand a lot of people are doing a lot of work um i've

[0:53:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): always found main island to be particularly respectful and and um the conversation is

[0:53:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): usually good and i anticipate that will be will continue uh if you know who you want to if you

[0:53:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to ask a question about from a particular person who's presented today uh please identify

[0:53:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): who that is so that we can make sure we get the right person answering the right question if

[0:53:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): if it's um if it's not clear we'll figure it out but if you know who that is please do that so uh

[0:53:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): with that i'm just going to open the floor there's about 20 people in the room and i have four people

[0:53:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): on the attendee list uh here and i'll

[0:53:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): just remind anybody watching live streaming if you want to

[0:53:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): engage with the uh with the meeting you need to go to the webinar go back to the website

[0:53:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and leave the live stream go back to the city islands trust website find the webinar link and

[0:54:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): come back in to the webinar and then we can um uh we can interact or you could ask a question

[0:54:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you are an attendee here uh on the webinar please put your hand up and i'll come to you and

[0:54:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): get you promoted so that you can ask me questions so just open the floor is that okay

[0:54:23] Voice 10: i was just

[0:54:24] Voice 21: gonna say i'll keep a list of needs if you want depending how many hands you get

[0:54:28] Voice 10: okay unless you

[0:54:29] Voice 10: want to remember them all well i

[0:54:31] Voice 10: don't know i just usually

[0:54:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): go around the room with only

[0:54:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): 20 people and

[0:54:34] Voice 21: i i don't at

[0:54:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): public hearing i often get a list of people but i i think here we'll just go around and

[0:54:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): see who has a question who would i comment so who's first i'm sure somebody's got a question

[0:54:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): somewhere

[0:54:47] Voice 6: and i know we had we

[0:54:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): had a letter with 32 questions attached to it so um but we will

[0:54:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): address some of those i ask you to sort of prioritize which one's the most important for

[0:54:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): you to answer really uh go ahead yes sir i saw mr mackie it's a relation to the uh section 219

[0:55:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): in covenant part of it okay the recommendations that were on there were much clearer than

[0:55:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): the recommendations in the covenant the recommendations the covenant actually don't

[0:55:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): recommend anything i'm wondering um where those recommendations came from and what kind of

[0:55:22] commitments you think those recommendations actually create for yourself or for lcc

[0:55:30] see those recommendations are directly taken from that report the report wasn't prepared as

[0:55:40] an addendum to a covenant so it was important to in conjunction with the planner to extract

[0:55:46] from that report a reasonable set of covenant of objectives that could be added into it the report

[0:55:55] also would be nice to hire robinette that wasn't really so they all of those words

[0:56:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): came out of that

[0:56:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): that report intended to grab all of the majors.

[0:56:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): They'd be more specific, they don't actually require.

[0:56:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there an office of editorializing?

[0:56:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): They are specifically the words in the record.

[0:56:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): In addition, you'll see in that wetland report,

[0:56:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): a description of work and a budget for that.

[0:56:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Certainly the intention of the Housing Society

[0:56:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): to do the work as intended

[0:56:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): by the Wetland Restoration Specialist.

[0:56:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): But those recommendations were the best effort

[0:56:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): to pull out of that report.

[0:56:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): what is what were the specific recommendations they are the words that are already don't go

[0:56:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): ahead and i'm going to actually ask the planner if she wants to address this as well because you

[0:56:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): did most of the drafting or work with the legal counsel drafting the section 219 how does the

[0:57:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe the question i would have is how does how do the two reports merge into the section 219

[0:57:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): covenant the recommendations of the two

[0:57:10] Voice 3: courts yeah so um there were there were two approaches

[0:57:13] Voice 3: approaches to addressing the recommendations in both of those reports and the first the first

[0:57:21] Voice 3: approach was to simply reference those reports and the second approach was to be sort of more

[0:57:30] Voice 3: specific around you know what the recommendations report were which is the schedule b to the

[0:57:37] Voice 3: the covenant.

[0:57:39] Voice 3: So both ways were good.

[0:57:41] Voice 3: And it was actually the housing society

[0:57:44] Voice 3: who were actually quite happy to be more specific

[0:57:50] Voice 3: and provide the details of the things

[0:57:55] Voice 3: that would be addressed as identified as going to be.

[0:58:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so I think you had a follow-up question, Mr. Mackey.

[0:58:04] Voice 7: I don't think I'm going to get an answer.

[0:58:06] Voice 7: the 219 covenant is very vague.

[0:58:09] The slide was quite specific.

[0:58:12] I understand the intention

[0:58:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): is to implement a wetland restoration plan,

[0:58:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): which to me sounds quite specific,

[0:58:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the language in the covenant remains vague

[0:58:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): and doesn't require you to do anything.

[0:58:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'm wondering, is there an opportunity

[0:58:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): to revisit that language

[0:58:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): and make it specific,

[0:58:31] Voice 21: measurable, enforceable?

[0:58:33] Voice 21: I mean, I would say that

[0:58:44] Voice 3: it's, it's a bit more specific than it would have been if it had only referred to the, the, to the, the reports, because, you know, Schedule B does sort

[0:58:58] Voice 16: of outline, like,

[1:00:48] Voice 16: Hello, Robin.

[1:00:51] Voice 18: And is anybody else able to communicate with you? So describe what just

[1:00:59] Voice 18: happened. I don't have my video on. There's, there's the off, there's the, the camera's

[1:01:17] Voice 18: coming back on. Just give them a second. Looks, the audio, it looks like the audio is just booting

[1:01:24] Voice 18: up. Hi, Dan.

[1:01:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry, my, my, the internet in the hall booted me off for a moment. Okay. I think

[1:01:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm back on now yep

[1:01:34] Voice 18: you guys look good just proceed but

[1:01:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's that's what it was it was

[1:01:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just all of a sudden realized my internet was gone off that computer okay we're back in business

[1:01:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry um and i was doing that while the conversation around the section 219 covenant

[1:01:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh was going on um okay next question

[1:01:53] Voice 7: yes sir go ahead i'm nico i'm the neighbor on the other side

[1:02:02] Voice 17: of the property um i have a question for msr about stormwater runoff i

[1:02:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): just want to reiterate

[1:02:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): this has been our number one concern as a neighborhood i first came to this meeting

[1:02:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): concerned after seeing the flood waters

[1:02:16] Voice 17: last fall where this entire property effectively was

[1:02:19] Voice 17: underwater and we showed that video with the community illustrating how significant the flow

[1:02:25] Voice 17: was in this area

[1:02:25] Voice 7: um at that first meeting we heard the term wetland today

[1:02:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've heard it referred to

[1:02:31] Voice 17: is having indicator

[1:02:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): wetland species we keep hearing that it is a wet soil um yet we still

[1:02:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): have really no runoff management plan we hear just like the conservation wetland area

[1:02:41] Voice 7: conceptual and

[1:02:43] Voice 7: when we come up with a plan then

[1:02:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): we will design a runoff plan and that's simply not acceptable i

[1:02:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): think this project endangers all of the downstream properties we've asked repeatedly over the last

[1:02:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): year for a plan and for an idea of how you're going to manage that you're dealing with saturated

[1:02:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): You're dealing with ponds that are going to fill up, yet you keep using words like wetland

[1:03:03] Voice 17: and quite wet.

[1:03:04] Voice 17: So I'm looking for something concrete in terms of your management plan.

[1:03:09] Voice 17: I thank MSR for pointing out that you're liable for this.

[1:03:12] Voice 17: It is your responsibility to restore this to pre-development conditions.

[1:03:17] Voice 7: Failing that, you have 21 downstream properties who've spent thousands of dollars this year

[1:03:21] Voice 7: trying

[1:03:22] Voice 17: to repair the property after last year's floodwaters.

[1:03:24] Voice 17: So I'd like some kind of an explanation for how this wetland restoration is going to take place, who's going to do it, what your development plan is for managing these floodwaters, and simply, you know, an acknowledgement that you recognize you

[1:03:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): are liable for flooding out your downstream neighbours, which as far as I can tell is really the only amenity provided at this point.

[1:03:47] Voice 2: Okay. Well, as a starting point, to be clear, let's just use an example. If the Fraser River

[1:03:55] Voice 2: hops its banks, you can't sue the neighbor and say, hey, water flew across your land onto mine.

[1:04:02] Voice 2: You're not liable for water that originates off your property anywhere in the province.

[1:04:07] Voice 2: This isn't the Fraser River, but there is a lot of water coming from offsite and crossing this.

[1:04:13] Voice 2: And there's no precedent anywhere in law where you're liable for water that came from somewhere else. So let's be very clear on that, that there's absolutely no responsibility under any legal framework that's ever existed to that you're responsible for a creek that crosses your, your land.

[1:04:34] Voice 2: What you are responsible for is making no net impact relative to what it was before.

[1:04:41] Voice 2: So if you build a house, you're changing the runoff characteristics, you're concentrating flow.

[1:04:48] Voice 2: You need to retain an equal volume so that peak discharges match pre-development conditions.

[1:04:55] Voice 2: You're not responsible for something that somebody did in the 1890s when they tore up the land.

[1:05:02] Voice 2: That is going above and beyond basic responsibilities. And that is something that I would leave to the wetland expert. I'm an engineer, I'm not an ecologist. And so the wetland restoration piece, I will leave to those smarter than me in those areas.

[1:05:20] Voice 2: is when it comes to stormwater management until i have a footprint of roof area all i can do is

[1:05:28] Voice 2: a scalable conceptual you know like until bc housing says hey i don't want five structures i

[1:05:36] Voice 2: want one big structure those types of things do evolve when funding participants are involved

[1:05:43] Voice 2: i've seen it happen on a number of these projects where the building layout changes substantially

[1:05:48] Voice 2: potentially, and BC Housing has their preferences that are going to affect those things. And so to

[1:05:55] Voice 2: say that it's a conceptual design just means that it will be revised at the building permit stage

[1:06:01] Voice 2: to reflect the actual footprint. It doesn't mean that it's not been thought out. The general rule

[1:06:09] Voice 2: of thumb when you're dealing with stormwater retention is you build volume for retention,

[1:06:15] Voice 2: for peak retention and a controlled slow release outlet that mimics pre-development conditions and

[1:06:22] Voice 2: that absolutely is you know part and parcel to not just the the roof leaders and driveway but

[1:06:30] Voice 2: even again going back to the wetland restoration piece that was described there will be ample

[1:06:38] Voice 2: additional capacity built into the freeboard of the wetland this is a challenging site and it's

[1:06:45] Voice 2: not going to be probably good enough politically to do the bare minimum and i think what has been

[1:06:51] Voice 2: proposed goes well beyond that

[1:06:55] Voice 7: further question yeah

[1:06:57] Voice 17: thank you for addressing that um you know as

[1:06:59] Voice 17: someone who owns as you describe similar land with the neighboring properties uh we can't even walk

[1:07:04] Voice 17: in those areas for

[1:07:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): the bulk of the year that is how wet the soils we're talking about i think in

[1:07:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): that video you see just how much water is there so i think uh

[1:07:13] Voice 7: challenging is an understatement

[1:07:15] Voice 17: I simply would put forward that this is just not a suitable site for housing.

[1:07:20] Voice 17: If you look where the properties are, they're all nestled up on the outland where my home is and where McHugh's home is,

[1:07:26] Voice 17: because the lower area used to be protected by conservation government, because it's not the type of place you should be building a building.

[1:07:33] Trustee Maude: Okay, we've

[1:07:34] Voice 7: got a question.

[1:07:34] Voice 17: The question is simply,

[1:07:36] Voice 7: yeah, I do.

[1:07:37] Voice 7: so with the uh with with the

[1:07:41] Voice 17: uh with the construction weapon the reason

[1:07:44] Voice 17: it goes to elaine's comment that there's a community engagement aspect to this project

[1:07:48] Voice 17: when we came here and said hey this is a wetland you shouldn't build there we were told it's not a

[1:07:53] Voice 17: good wetland and we're going to make it better right and when i said you know continue to raise

[1:07:58] Voice 17: runoff concerns i was told by david why do you care the runoff doesn't affect you you're the

[1:08:02] Voice 17: neighbor while sitting beside the downstream neighbor who was affected by this project

[1:08:06] Voice 17: to whom i

[1:08:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): said you this is the person so what's your question

[1:08:14] Voice 7: yeah my question is simply that

[1:08:17] Voice 7: it's the same point we ended the last meeting there is no plan it's conceptual you keep saying

[1:08:22] Voice 7: when you have a design you'll have a plan

[1:08:23] Voice 17: we need to see that you've quantified the hydrologic

[1:08:27] Voice 17: properties of this plant that you know the numbers the volumes of water

[1:08:30] Voice 17: and you illustrate in volume

[1:08:32] Voice 17: you and in retaining capacity how you're going to slow that down and how you're going to mitigate

[1:08:37] Voice 17: the impact until you can show us conclusively that you're not going to make this site worse

[1:08:41] Voice 17: um you know so the question is when do we see this report when do we get to see what your plan is for

[1:08:47] Voice 17: the surface runoff that we've said from day one is our number one issue as a

[1:08:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): neighbor okay so there's

[1:08:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): a question that i don't know who wants to address that probably just msr or something

[1:08:57] Voice 2: i can i can

[1:08:58] Voice 2: speak to one thing i don't know if the the water management plan report that we prepared has been

[1:09:06] Voice 2: publicly shared or not if it hasn't i leave that to the housing society's timing i'm out of the

[1:09:14] Voice 2: loop on that however if and when this is disseminated publicly i would bring people

[1:09:19] Voice 2: to section 7.3 of the report where uh pre-development discharges and leaders for

[1:09:27] Voice 2: second are calculated um based on a very conservative set of assumptions um conservative

[1:09:34] Voice 2: as in beneficial to creating a larger than minimum uh storage capacity um so if i'm not sure if this

[1:09:44] Voice 2: has been shared i'll leave others to comment on that but i'm looking at it on a screen right now

[1:09:49] Voice 2: and this work has been done if

[1:09:55] Voice 22: i can add to that as well um you know in a perfect world

[1:09:58] Voice 22: we would have a better sense of actually what the plan is.

[1:10:01] Voice 22: But this goes back to the nature

[1:10:02] Voice 22: of an affordable housing project

[1:10:04] Voice 22: where resources are really limited

[1:10:06] Voice 22: and we kind of have to take things step by step.

[1:10:08] Voice 22: It also comes down to sort of the approvals procedures

[1:10:13] Voice 22: on the Gulf Islands,

[1:10:14] Voice 22: which are a little bit different than in urban areas.

[1:10:17] Voice 22: On the islands, rezoning goes through Islands Trust.

[1:10:20] Voice 22: And in this case,

[1:10:21] Voice 22: there's no development permit for the site.

[1:10:23] Voice 22: And normally, like if I was developing in Victoria,

[1:10:26] Voice 22: when I applied for a development permit,

[1:10:27] Voice 22: you would have to have a stormwater management plan that had those calculations of the pre and post development runoff.

[1:10:33] Voice 22: But because on the islands, things happen a bit differently and that's a proper requirement,

[1:10:38] Voice 22: we're kind of too early to be able to do those calculations with any kind of surety.

[1:10:44] Voice 22: And it won't come later until we're working up to the building permit.

[1:10:48] Voice 22: As Carlson said, it will happen. But unfortunately, because of resources and because of the order of events for approvals,

[1:10:56] Voice 22: it's just not possible to have those hard numbers that i know that you would like to

[1:11:00] Voice 22: see and i understand that um but it's just too early in the process uh

[1:11:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): for carl the water

[1:11:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): management plan has been circulated it's on the island's trust website it's on the main island

[1:11:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): housing society like website and a number of uh questions that specifically um address the

[1:11:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): elements within the plan so it is highly public maybe carl you could um just run over the

[1:11:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): calculatives are done because they are based on the two areas of the current design so in fact

[1:11:35] calculations have been done

[1:11:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they've been done according to the legally mandated requirements

[1:11:42] Voice 2: yeah and something that i would speak to very quickly what i was mentioning earlier just for

[1:11:46] Voice 2: clarity and for transparency when i said conservative assumptions um and the calculation

[1:11:52] Voice 2: in 7.3 in our previous report we were assuming 85 percent of the rain that lands in the forest is

[1:12:00] Voice 2: soaked up by the forest which is kind of an ideal situation that you do encounter in some

[1:12:06] Voice 2: mature valley bottom forests and so then when we're considering post-development you know you're

[1:12:13] Voice 2: considering say a driveway at 90 percent runoff compared to assume pre-development with only 15

[1:12:20] Voice 2: 15% runoff, then we're having to make up that gap, which is sizable on that example, 75%

[1:12:26] Voice 2: difference. And so the volumes that we would be designing to retain prior to slowly discharging

[1:12:36] Voice 2: would be significant. In reality, I don't think that forest is soaking up 85% of the flow,

[1:12:43] Voice 2: as was discussed previously. So that's sort of what I'm saying. It's a conservative assumption.

[1:12:48] Voice 2: That's sort of what I mean by that is we would be oversizing our retention ponds to account for very conservative pre-development conditions.

[1:13:00] Voice 17: Just a point of clarification. Our comments are referring directly to your plan, the MSR plan, to Section 7.

[1:13:08] Voice 17: And I

[1:13:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): quote, upon completion of the design, the volumes will be calculated.

[1:13:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Again, this language of will be and whatnot, you know, it's that we will eventually have

[1:13:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): a plan.

[1:13:19] Voice 21: And we said this at the last meeting, we said that's not a plan, eventually have a plan

[1:13:22] Voice 21: is not a plan.

[1:13:23] Voice 21: So again, we're at the same point

[1:13:25] Voice 21: more than a year later, you're not having a plan that

[1:13:27] Voice 21: you can demonstrate that you're dealing with this wrong.

[1:13:30] Voice 21: So yes, we're aware of the MSI document, and it's quite simply not enough.

[1:13:34] Voice 21: It simply says we will develop one at some point.

[1:13:36] Voice 21: Like the wetland, this is all prospective with no commitment.

[1:13:40] Voice 21: we do not know what your plan is this

[1:13:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): plan was prepared since those questions were asked a year

[1:13:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): ago this plan is dated april in fact it does do those kind of questions based on what's known

[1:13:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): about building areas the site the design will include the grading plan will ensure there is

[1:14:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): no plan you constantly reference the future upon the final design we will develop a plan

[1:14:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i think that question has been addressed you may not like the answer uh but the question was

[1:14:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): addressed as to when what the time in the process when a final plan would be developed um so anyway

[1:14:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you for your questions uh is there someone over here that had a question

[1:14:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes sir you would i'll come to you yes you're

[1:14:32] Voice 21: really i just have a question about is anybody

[1:14:35] Voice 21: uh like the water restoration restoration guys are they going to

[1:14:40] Voice 7: come to our property and see

[1:14:41] Voice 7: what we're dealing with now like is anybody are we going to have input in any way to this

[1:14:45] Voice 7: or it's just all on the one lot itself you know we're down right downstream we're building on

[1:14:53] Voice 7: stuff up there so i just wondered you know on cortez

[1:14:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): cortez community housing the people that were doing the uh water tests and whatnot came around

[1:15:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): spoke to the neighbors to see what how they would be like so is

[1:15:07] Voice 7: anybody going to come look at our

[1:15:09] Voice 7: property and see how we're dealing with things or ask us right you

[1:15:13] Voice 7: know are we going to get any

[1:15:14] Voice 7: input well

[1:15:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's a different question but if your question is if anybody's going to come and examine

[1:15:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): your property uh in terms of the water runoff that's right

[1:15:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's your question

[1:15:26] Voice 21: okay

[1:15:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i can

[1:15:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): i can perhaps turn to msr or perhaps to uh the applicant to respond to that question specifically

[1:15:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): sure um certainly i've seen your property but the property's down there and i know other trustees

[1:15:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): have as well uh but if you're talking about the actual people designing the plans themselves

[1:15:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i mean yeah whoever's doing the you know the water water guy here or whatever like are

[1:15:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): we gonna see where the water goes once it's off the property is it just forgotten you know you

[1:16:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): get the you know

[1:16:02] Voice 21: revealing well you

[1:16:04] Voice 7: know you saw the floods you saw what happened we all got played

[1:16:07] Voice 7: it up so

[1:16:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): no they may want to there's a couple of things here that are that really need to be

[1:16:14] discussed separately the flooding last year was a horrendous event here and many other places in the

[1:16:20] province that's an issue that we brought up at a neighborhood level with modi

[1:16:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): it is water runoff

[1:16:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): from them from the upper reaches of mount park crossing under village they would have coming

[1:16:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): emanating at two culverts one in the back this park somewhere in the middle of either of those

[1:16:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): culverts this

[1:16:44] Voice 7: portion provides a vital ecosystem service of mitigating that flood water before it

[1:16:48] Voice 7: hits maple drive that's our concern you're going to bulldoze

[1:16:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay you know you're going to wait

[1:16:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): your turn sir like everybody else you're going to stop and you're going to

[1:16:55] Voice 7: wait your knee you're

[1:16:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to no he wasn't he was talking to the crowd so you're going to stop and wait until your turn

[1:17:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): is to speak thank you very much we're talking to the gentleman behind you in his moment go ahead

[1:17:08] so there is a neighborhood or a north slope of mount park water management

[1:17:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): issue which goes

[1:17:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): beyond its development and you have you contacted mobi have any of you contacted mobi in the last

[1:17:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): year to talk about sizing the culvert under maple drive or the flows underneath those and

[1:17:29] Voice 12: then and

[1:17:30] Voice 12: And then taking that one step further.

[1:17:31] Voice 12: Sorry.

[1:17:35] Voice 12: There was a

[1:17:35] Voice 21: question asked of the

[1:17:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): process.

[1:17:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Did anybody has contact with Moody?

[1:17:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): What is Moody?

[1:17:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Ministry of

[1:17:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Highways, Transportation,

[1:17:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Ministry of Transportation and Construction.

[1:17:46] Voice 11: I still don't know.

[1:17:47] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:17:49] Voice 11: I have.

[1:17:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): So if I could, and I don't wanna try to interfere

[1:17:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): by doing this too much,

[1:17:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it seems to me that what we're hearing

[1:17:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): is we may be talking a bit like this right now is there is a lot of water runs off mount park

[1:18:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): and across and then across those properties the concern is i've always understood from the

[1:18:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): downstream language totally to admit is is this going to make it worse uh and is it going to uh

[1:18:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): or is it or what's going to happen and particularly is going to make it worse because it's bad enough

[1:18:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): as it is i mean as i understood it it was pretty bad a couple of years in the last 15

[1:18:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): since the cutting has gone down in particular since the logging happened but there's been a

[1:18:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): couple of times so that's the issue that i think you're hearing that being addressed here is is

[1:18:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): that you do you ask questions but as i understand the applicant basically saying is we're going to

[1:18:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): try and make it better is it and we certainly understand we're not going to make it work

[1:18:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can't make it work and and i'm hearing

[1:18:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): you don't believe that and that's and that's that

[1:18:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): that that's somehow what happens on lot three but how is it i i don't understand the question of

[1:19:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): what's happening on lot two and one is is if lot three is where the development is is whether

[1:19:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether that's the concern that you're expressing is is it going on so there is the wetlands there

[1:19:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): and is what's going to happen a legitimate question going to make it worse i'd let you i'd

[1:19:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): ask you to let them answer that question and if that me and the question i think is legitimate

[1:19:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): why are they going to come and look at our properties to see what we're dealing with as

[1:19:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): the water comes off and uh i guess would

[1:19:32] Voice 2: i be able to would i be

[1:19:34] Voice 2: able to interject with a quick

[1:19:35] Voice 2: comment on that specific point sure go ahead mr wood

[1:19:38] Voice 2: because absolutely it is the case that if

[1:19:41] Voice 2: you're um you know managing stormwater on a given site um part and parcel to that is paying attention

[1:19:48] Voice 2: to where it ends up you know so let's just throw out a random example if right now most of the

[1:19:53] Voice 2: water ends up on the west side we reroute it and it all ends up on the east side and all of a sudden

[1:19:59] Voice 2: we're cutting brand new bank erosion and causing problems that didn't used to exist like you can't

[1:20:05] Voice 2: do that that's not responsible design practices you absolutely need to understand where the water

[1:20:11] Voice 2: goes at the property line you're not just responsible to get it to the property line

[1:20:16] Voice 2: but also to send it on a coherent path beyond right and so that is you know to answer the

[1:20:23] Voice 2: the question yes it is definitely something that you need to understand if you're going to put in

[1:20:28] Voice 2: a new swale to handle the 200 year overflow you can't just point it at someone's basement like

[1:20:34] Voice 2: you need to understand where it goes in the next uh in the next parcel and beyond it certainly has

[1:20:40] Voice 2: to be at least understood and and addressed and factored in and anything less than that is an

[1:20:47] Voice 2: irresponsible design you can't cause carnage on on the neighbor's lot um and get away with it as a

[1:20:54] Voice 2: engineer you're you know liable to that type of thing and so it absolutely has to be um factored

[1:21:01] Voice 2: in yes

[1:21:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): ma'am i think you were next certainly

[1:21:07] Voice 15: i'm just wondering at least um i'm just wondering if

[1:21:14] Voice 15: if the society looked into how insurable their pen unit will be to be built on sort of a wetland

[1:21:25] Voice 15: and also with the owners of Maple Drive, upper and lower Maple Drive, meaning the waterfront,

[1:21:34] Voice 15: um what how you know what what the way i look at it is that we are um our property

[1:21:44] Voice 15: are at risk and so right now is that we don't have any plan or we don't have we should be looking at

[1:21:55] Voice 15: insurance uh and insurance the reason why i ask is insurance is skyrocketing

[1:22:01] Voice 15: in crisis and so on and and as a society yes or no look into the insurability of their project

[1:22:11] Voice 12: we have contacted insurance agents and what we're advised is that when the project is closer to

[1:22:17] Voice 12: being built or built then we'll be able to get some quotes on that but as any non-profit who's

[1:22:24] Voice 12: incorporated in bc we have directors insurance we're not we have directors insurance and liability

[1:22:32] Voice 12: insurance just as any other non-profit you see but

[1:22:36] Voice 15: really it's you can't you don't know until you

[1:22:39] Voice 15: the place is

[1:22:40] Voice 12: built and then there's the other piece that we have talked with contractors and

[1:22:44] Voice 12: our uh water uh msr there is no indication from any of the professionals that we've spoken to

[1:22:53] Voice 12: that this is a lot that cannot be built on so that's a really important point because if all

[1:23:01] Voice 12: the professionals are saying that it can be built from msr that the water flow and the water

[1:23:07] Voice 12: management can be achieved and that's part of

[1:23:11] Voice 15: the plan right that's coming okay um so but really you

[1:23:18] Voice 15: can't you can't look at it until it's built then you're looking at the quote of possibility okay

[1:23:24] Voice 15: that answered my question sorry

[1:23:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just want to be clear i don't think that's what the answer was

[1:23:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): the answer was once they got funding and are preparing you'd always have to get a construction

[1:23:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): insurance for example you would never start a project without insurance and i think the answer

[1:23:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): i heard was they'll tell us about our insurability once we we have our plans are ready to go

[1:23:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that correct

[1:23:46] Voice 22: yeah and and i

[1:23:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't think it was when it's built correct

[1:23:50] Voice 22: yeah so so you're correct

[1:23:51] Voice 22: there would be course of construction insurance so there'd be specific insurance for while it's

[1:23:55] Voice 22: under construction but we would have quotes for the as-built product for insurance prior to starting

[1:24:02] Voice 22: construction we need to know that it could be insured so

[1:24:05] Voice 15: i've been looking to make it is

[1:24:07] Voice 15: insurable for during construction you know like this is where we wanted to put the unit and is

[1:24:14] Voice 15: there is there is there an issue is there going to be more money is that you know have you looked

[1:24:20] Voice 15: at it have you asked the insurer an insuring company yeah

[1:24:25] Voice 22: so so as dad said for the final

[1:24:27] Voice 22: product they did um ask and were told to come back once there was more detailed design usually for

[1:24:33] Voice 22: course of construction insurance you need detailed designs which we don't have right now um so you

[1:24:39] Voice 22: know if we took the drawings we have to an insurer maybe they could give us an estimate but they're

[1:24:44] Voice 22: sometimes hesitant without having that detail to give any kind of float um so it's again it's one

[1:24:50] Voice 22: of those things that can be a bit frustrating in the order of operations but we would need

[1:24:54] Voice 22: more detailed drawings to be able to know for sure what that insurance would look like thank you

[1:25:00] Voice 21: thanks

[1:25:00] Voice 7: for your question um yes i'm

[1:25:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry i forgot your name catherine that's right

[1:25:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): my question

[1:25:07] Voice 9: was just uh from the motive point of view of her subdivision i was looking into

[1:25:11] Voice 9: the rural area subdivision what the requirements are and when there's a deemed uh flood risk and

[1:25:17] Voice 9: my understanding is uh the water may not come from uh you know originally from our property

[1:25:24] Voice 9: still coming from a subdivision between my property so they still have to deal with the water

[1:25:30] Voice 9: so my question is um when i was reading through the moti information it sounded to me like when

[1:25:37] Voice 9: and there was a deemed storm or flood risk, an easement was required.

[1:25:43] Voice 9: Marissa, I think you were talking about it.

[1:25:45] Voice 9: Yeah,

[1:25:46] Voice 3: that's what I've been talking to them.

[1:25:48] Voice 3: I've been talking to the staff there.

[1:25:49] Voice 3: And, you know, as I've indicated, the staff were, so the application goes to transportation,

[1:26:00] Voice 3: but then we, you know, we need to approve it.

[1:26:04] Voice 3: and i think because of the concerns about drainage i did talk to the staff there to see you know the

[1:26:10] Voice 3: degree in which they look at it and they will uh we will recommend that that draining is drainage

[1:26:15] Voice 3: is something that is looked into um and that we actually get a drainage report as part of the

[1:26:20] Voice 3: subdivision process um so that there is that next step and there there there will be that opportunity

[1:26:27] Voice 3: to look at that before before well before we will you know before we move forward with the

[1:26:32] Voice 3: with approving subdivision um i would also add um in my conversation with uh with moti which i think

[1:26:40] Voice 3: is a is a conversation aside from this specific conversation is the one around drainage and

[1:26:45] Voice 3: culverts and that sort of thing so i am going to meet with uh with moti staff on the island and

[1:26:51] Voice 3: we'll have a look at some of the multiple issues including the ones that are um related specifically

[1:26:56] Voice 3: this to the sites when

[1:26:58] Voice 9: you do meet with mohi on the island though will the neighbors who are

[1:27:01] Voice 9: or directly affected by being invited?

[1:27:04] Voice 3: Oh, it'll all depend on timing and all that.

[1:27:07] Voice 3: Yeah, I'll figure out how we want to go forward

[1:27:12] Voice 3: with that meeting, but yeah, but it's a consideration.

[1:27:15] Voice 9: Yeah, but my question was whether or not

[1:27:17] Voice 9: these members are required.

[1:27:19] Voice 9: Well, you know, does the MRS

[1:27:23] Voice 3: know that answer?

[1:27:26] Voice 3: They might, but I think, you know,

[1:27:28] Voice 3: when the subtitle revision process,

[1:27:30] Voice 3: process with when Modi goes through the subdivision they will be where there are problem problem

[1:27:35] Voice 3: areas and how those could be addressed um before before they will actually approve a

[1:27:40] Voice 3: subject so um I haven't experienced that in my in myself but um I'm I mean it may be not

[1:27:48] Voice 3: done I'm not sure did

[1:27:50] Voice 22: you have to get an easement for development not

[1:27:52] Voice 10: an easement no but I do

[1:27:54] Voice 10: know that I had to deal with water when I subdivided and I was hoping maybe Carl did

[1:28:03] Voice 2: I have not looked into whether specifically or not an easement would be applicable to this site.

[1:28:09] Voice 2: So I, yeah, I don't have an answer to that at this time.

[1:28:19] Voice 21: It's really clear in the subdivision documents. I

[1:28:22] Voice 10: think it is.

[1:28:23] Voice 10: I

[1:28:23] Voice 21: don't know.

[1:28:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't yeah i don't know what easement will give me even for water

[1:28:36] Voice 9: yeah

[1:28:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think that's partly what carl had to say about the engineering from the engineering point

[1:28:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): of view as well um

[1:28:44] Voice 7: yes

[1:28:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): sir go ahead

[1:28:46] Voice 21: i'm glenn mcleod i live on maple drive i get very nervous

[1:28:50] Voice 21: when i hear humans discussing ways of improving on nature and my question is

[1:28:57] Voice 21: how do you anticipate the outcome the health of the existing forest and

[1:29:07] Voice 11: i know i'm not a

[1:29:08] Voice 11: forester but i know that the

[1:29:10] Voice 21: existing forest is the one factor that does heavily influence

[1:29:15] Voice 21: it's full of surface water how will this forest fare through the development of all this proposed

[1:29:26] here culverts to ease the passage of water across or under

[1:29:31] Voice 21: village bay road to a paid

[1:29:35] Voice 21: driveway to 10 new rooftops to the human activity associated with that to swales

[1:29:45] Voice 21: fields and

[1:29:46] Voice 11: berms and ponds. Again, I'm not a forester, but I know that there's a whole lot of

[1:29:55] Voice 11: stuff going on in the first two or three feet.

[1:30:00] Voice 11: surface soil how's it going to look when this project is completed is that forest going to be

[1:30:07] Voice 21: starting from scratch how are the big mature trees going to share those trees have roots in the first

[1:30:14] Voice 21: two or three feet of soil so my question is are we going to be replanting the whole thing

[1:30:21] Voice 21: and claiming that this is an improvement yeah

[1:30:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): can i just put a little context of course this is a lot

[1:30:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): that has been heavily affected by 20 humans and and a lot of the issues i've read and

[1:30:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah i'm not trying to argue with the servant but the a lot of the issues that are identified are

[1:30:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the the the impact that occurred in those 20 years and in the and the hundreds of years before

[1:30:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): like the compact as well but i'm gonna i i don't know where you'd like to go with that question

[1:30:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): would it be to Keith? Would it be to who would like

[1:30:55] Voice 22: to start? Yeah, maybe starting with Keith

[1:30:57] Voice 22: and Carl can jump in on the water runoff. Yeah, Keith, I don't know if you want to start us off.

[1:31:06] Voice 17: Okay, yeah, so my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, of the question is,

[1:31:14] Voice 17: oh, excuse me, I have a, my phone is, my answering machine is going, just,

[1:31:20] Voice 17: My understanding is the question is, what is going to happen to the soils and the forest of the areas that are impacted, I'm assuming, not within the development footprint itself, because those will be permanent or, you know, impacted in the long term, but the soils surrounding the development. Is that correct?

[1:31:43] Voice 17: I

[1:31:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to say it's probably both, but I'm looking to the questioner to see if I understood it correctly, that it was both where the development is occurring and the places around.

[1:31:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sir, could you nod if I'm getting that right?

[1:31:57] Voice 21: A little proper.

[1:31:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, he was sort of interested in both, how it was going to look.

[1:32:04] Voice 17: right so i mean uh within the development footprint itself obviously you're you're

[1:32:10] Voice 17: you're converting the uh the ecosystem to a to another use to a to a developed state

[1:32:18] Voice 17: um so there will be loss there and um beyond i mean it's the idea i would that i have suggested

[1:32:29] Voice 17: in or the recommendation that i've suggested in the report which the which the housing society has

[1:32:37] Voice 17: taken forward in their design is to incorporate as many elements possible of in retaining the natural

[1:32:45] Voice 17: forest structure and and ecosystem as possible within and around the footprint

[1:32:51] Voice 17: print. And what they are proposing, my understanding of what they are proposing is that in the

[1:33:01] Voice 17: wet soil areas, so the oils where there are sorry, the areas where there is soil saturation

[1:33:07] Voice 17: that have previously been compacted and damaged from the historical land use that's occurred

[1:33:16] Voice 17: on that site, they are going to restore those areas so that they are functioning at a more

[1:33:27] Voice 17: optimal level to then support a natural forest ecosystem on that site. It's very hard to

[1:33:35] Voice 17: grow a natural forest on soils that have been compacted and damaged. And so what you need to

[1:33:41] Voice 17: do there is actually remediate the soil by the rough and loose treatment which was mentioned

[1:33:48] Voice 17: earlier and then allowing first water to move through those soils and infiltrate into those

[1:33:57] Voice 17: soils in a in a more natural manner an effective way and then also for the resulting ecosystem so

[1:34:05] Voice 17: the plants and and trees and such forest to grow more effectively on those areas so again humans

[1:34:14] Voice 17: improving on nature well it's not it's not um i would suggest that it's not it's it's humans

[1:34:22] Voice 17: recognizing the impacts that have occurred to the natural areas from past human use recognizing that

[1:34:33] Voice 17: there are long-lasting issues that have resulted from that and trying to reverse or restore

[1:34:44] Voice 17: those impacts so not improving on nature but seeing that there's been damage and trying to

[1:34:52] Voice 17: help nature heal more effectively i

[1:34:56] Voice 21: have walked that property and i see

[1:35:00] Voice 21: forests emerging from

[1:35:01] Voice 17: what happened 20 years ago and i've seen lots of other properties

[1:35:07] Voice 17: clear cut

[1:35:08] Voice 21: worse than that what it was and they're green they're doing fine okay

[1:35:15] okay i'm

[1:35:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): just going to see if there's any first time questions before i come back the second time

[1:35:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes yes sorry yes go ahead thank

[1:35:25] Voice 4: you um i just want to clarify um that the pre-development

[1:35:31] Voice 4: the state of pre-development that the society would have to restore to um would would would

[1:35:43] Voice 4: mean if they didn't implement the the restoration plan and um the water management plan it would

[1:35:52] Voice 4: mean that nothing would change on the property that the water runoff from the mount park estates

[1:35:57] Voice 4: would continue to flow across uh the property onto maple drive is that true that's correct

[1:36:06] Voice 4: so the uh to follow up on that then the work um that you've outlined that you've hired professionals

[1:36:13] Voice 4: to um scope out is designed to um mitigate some of the the damage that has been caused in the past

[1:36:26] Voice 4: and to direct the flow of water in a more responsible way than um what was done with

[1:36:35] Voice 4: the development at mount park yes

[1:36:38] Voice 12: so we're talking about two different things we're talking about the

[1:36:41] Voice 12: water that comes down mount park and across all of the properties down towards maple drive into

[1:36:47] Voice 12: the ocean and then we're talking about the work that we're doing on the site itself so when we

[1:36:54] Voice 12: were walking around with the uh restoration specialist if the ground was so hard that she

[1:36:59] Voice 12: couldn't get her probe in to the ground so what we're proposing here is what keith had said is

[1:37:04] Voice 12: that you remediate you remediate the soil that so that you can have the water penetrate and have

[1:37:11] Voice 12: the forest regenerate in a in a better way and what uh the restoration specialist was talking

[1:37:17] Voice 12: me about was a cedar wetland that it is a good area for a cedar wetland to be restored in there

[1:37:26] Voice 12: i'm not sure if i'm answering your question i think that folks

[1:37:29] Voice 6: any other first-time questions yes

[1:37:32] Voice 23: i'm gonna switch it to a different topic entirely with

[1:37:37] Voice 23: maybe a little more um hopefulness as a young renter with a family on the island um what is

[1:37:46] Voice 23: kind of the proposed timeline if things were to go smoothly at this point and get rezoned

[1:37:51] Voice 23: into when we would be able to have affordable housing available to us

[1:37:57] Voice 22: yeah good question so

[1:37:59] Voice 22: if everything from this point forward goes as smoothly as possible construction would

[1:38:04] Voice 22: likely begin within the next one to two years um applying for project funding takes time the

[1:38:11] Voice 22: arrestable takes time so construction probably wouldn't begin um for another couple of years

[1:38:16] Voice 22: And as I said, it should be about an 18-month construction period, depending on final designs.

[1:38:21] Voice 22: So that would be putting us at, I think, late 2024 and into 2025.

[1:38:27] Voice 23: May I follow up with a different question, but in the completion stage?

[1:38:33] Voice 23: Knowing how some of the businesses on the island are struggling staff,

[1:38:39] Voice 23: is there a special consideration for long-time Maine Islanders who are actually working in grocery stores,

[1:38:46] Voice 23: restaurants the school uh construction work there will be special considerations for those people as

[1:38:51] Voice 23: opposed to perhaps like remote workers so

[1:38:54] Voice 12: the possibility the criteria the eligibility criteria

[1:38:59] Voice 12: for people who live on main island that's the primary criteria and we know that it's

[1:39:05] Voice 12: there's a need for workforce housing there's a need for uh seniors housing we have no seniors

[1:39:10] Voice 12: housing on main island we're one of the only we are the only very serviced island that has no

[1:39:16] Voice 12: seniors housing so it's 10 units and we're going to try to accommodate all of that including the

[1:39:22] Voice 12: families and including people who uh you know are desperately needing housing but that's certainly

[1:39:28] Voice 12: for workforce and retired and and

[1:39:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): just to be clear there's also priorities for for indigenous

[1:39:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): There

[1:39:35] Voice 12: is. There is. The two priorities are for people who live on Main Island as well as the First Nations who have tied to the island.

[1:39:47] Voice 21: Here's a first time question. Go ahead.

[1:39:50] Voice 20: As everybody knows, we've been fundraising for a couple of years and going through all the pre-development activities.

[1:39:56] Voice 20: And Deb, my question has arisen because I run into people who say, when is it going to be finished?

[1:40:03] Voice 20: I say finished, and I explained that we're going through the rezoning process, and that once that I explained the process, but people are under some people are under the impression that we've started building, because we've been fundraising.

[1:40:17] Voice 20: And I guess my question to you, Deb is when we get through the reason this process, what are the opportunities for funding, where do you go.

[1:40:28] Voice 12: so what we see here is we've been talking about once we get through the rezoning process there

[1:40:33] Voice 12: is continuing redevelopment activity that's needed so we will apply to those people all

[1:40:38] Voice 12: those funders who have already uh provided us with some funding and that's cmhc that's the

[1:40:44] Voice 12: canadian municipal uh federation federation canadian municipalities uh bc housing will

[1:40:51] Voice 12: apply for some pre-development funding from them we um the crd may have some funding for us

[1:40:57] Voice 12: who am i missing that city provided us with some funding so we will go back to those agencies for

[1:41:03] Voice 12: more pre-development funding and continue to develop the detailed design that we need to do

[1:41:10] Voice 12: that i think we're wanting more information of and that's what happens in the next phase

[1:41:15] Voice 12: as well as at the same time we will be looking to apply for capital funding so it's there are

[1:41:21] Voice 12: different pockets of funding and the capital funding there's uh some of these folks also are

[1:41:26] Voice 12: providing capital funding in the form of grants and loans.

[1:41:32] Voice 12: And so there are all the approvals that we've talked about that have to happen.

[1:41:38] Voice 12: Some of them are in line with the subdivision process,

[1:41:42] Voice 12: and some of them will be related to the building permits,

[1:41:48] Voice 12: and some are related to capital funding applications.

[1:41:54] Voice 22: And to add to that as well,

[1:41:56] Voice 22: so kind of the biggest funders of projects like this would

[1:42:00] Voice 22: be HTC Housing and CMHC.

[1:42:03] Voice 22: Those two funding programs can be layered, and CMHC has actually recently announced a

[1:42:08] Voice 22: few new funding streams, which potentially this project could go for.

[1:42:12] Voice 22: There's a new innovation stream where they're looking for sort of new and innovative models,

[1:42:16] Voice 22: and the Maine Island Housing Society is already working

[1:42:19] Voice 22: with other groups in the Gulf Islands

[1:42:22] Voice 22: who are doing similar projects.

[1:42:24] Voice 22: So we're exploring all avenues that are possible.

[1:42:27] Voice 22: And my hope as someone who works not only on these projects,

[1:42:30] Voice 22: but I have projects all over Victoria and Vancouver Island,

[1:42:33] Voice 22: and there's so much need for housing

[1:42:35] Voice 22: that there's gonna be new funding streams announced

[1:42:37] Voice 22: over the next few years, up to five years.

[1:42:40] Voice 22: So we're really paying attention to what's out there

[1:42:43] Voice 22: and anything new that comes up, we would be pursuing.

[1:42:47] Voice 21: thank you okay

[1:42:48] Voice 16: yes um go ahead

[1:42:52] Voice 11: i have a question about the housing agreement and the rents that

[1:42:56] Voice 11: will be charged so when this project started there was an element of the housing agreement

[1:43:02] Voice 11: that's being signed by ltc and the mainland housing society that lays out that for some

[1:43:10] Voice 11: part of the suites in the development the rent that will be charged will be based on the person

[1:43:17] Voice 11: who's renting its income like 30 percent of their income so if somebody works at the store

[1:43:23] Voice 11: they add up your income and they charge you 30 percent so that was taken out of the housing

[1:43:27] Voice 11: agreement and i'm wondering why yeah

[1:43:30] Voice 22: that's a good question so the original draft of the housing

[1:43:33] Voice 22: agreement was based specifically on one funding program through housing and that funding program

[1:43:39] Voice 22: has a specific rental breakdown and 50 of units in those projects have to be right here to income

[1:43:44] Voice 22: income, so the rents charged would be based on the resident income, 20% would be shelter

[1:43:49] Voice 22: rates, so it would be affordable, and then

[1:43:51] Voice 22: 30% would be low market or just below market.

[1:43:56] Voice 22: However, having that in the housing agreement is risky for the project because it is so

[1:44:01] Voice 22: specific, and it's specific to one funding program, which this project may not get.

[1:44:06] Voice 22: It's also possible that future funding calls may change that criteria.

[1:44:10] Voice 22: area. So having that level of specificity, we wanted to take that out because it put the project

[1:44:16] Voice 22: at risk where funders might look at it and say, well, that doesn't quite fit what we're trying to

[1:44:21] Voice 22: achieve. While rent period to income is a really good, it's really good for residents. If BC

[1:44:28] Voice 22: Housing is not a funder and we're getting financing through CMHC, it's really hard to get approved if

[1:44:34] Voice 22: you have a lot of units at rent period to income because you can't actually say what that rent is

[1:44:38] Voice 22: going to be going into it so there's too much uncertainty with the operational um income and

[1:44:44] Voice 22: the operational plan um so someone like funders like chc like to see a little bit more specificity

[1:44:52] Voice 22: um in what you're proposing to charge for rents um in our case in what we landed on in the

[1:44:58] Voice 22: closing agreement as i mentioned earlier it's sort of a baseline that we have to achieve um

[1:45:03] Voice 22: in terms of the island's trust and the expectations there um but cmht has very

[1:45:09] Voice 22: specific requirements and it's based on median market rents um and it's very likely that we'll

[1:45:14] Voice 22: be seeking funding one way or another through them so we will likely be um having to meet their

[1:45:19] Voice 22: criteria as well so

[1:45:21] Voice 11: do you have a sense of the sort of average level of rent that these units

[1:45:25] Voice 11: would go for i

[1:45:27] Voice 22: mean it'll it'll depend on um like operational needs and and the residents who are

[1:45:32] Voice 22: are actually applying.

[1:45:34] Voice 22: But because it's an average that we have to meet

[1:45:38] Voice 22: in terms of the housing agreement,

[1:45:40] Voice 22: it could range anywhere from some legally affordable units

[1:45:43] Voice 22: and it gives the attention to provide

[1:45:45] Voice 22: at least some legally affordable units

[1:45:48] Voice 22: up to below market or low end of market.

[1:45:52] Voice 21: Do you just have

[1:45:52] Voice 21: a number of those,

[1:45:53] Voice 21: like any kind of number, like 600, 1600, 1200?

[1:45:57] Voice 21: It

[1:45:57] Voice 22: could be any of those.

[1:45:59] Voice 22: um it'll it'll depend on the most the latest census data it'll depend on the funders

[1:46:05] Voice 22: um but the expectation would be if all of these units would be at least on the low end of market

[1:46:10] Voice 22: and and a percentage of them are going to be deeply affordable or you know close to right

[1:46:15] Voice 22: your income without actually having to submit to that right now sorry

[1:46:19] Voice 11: if i can just one more

[1:46:20] Voice 11: question so you say that low of market and when you say market are you looking at the main market

[1:46:26] Voice 11: market uh

[1:46:27] Voice 22: yeah so that's something that would be negotiated ultimately with the funder so cmhc

[1:46:32] Voice 22: unfortunately doesn't have data for the southern violence because there's not enough rentals for

[1:46:38] Voice 22: them to get reliable data so funding through them they actually use victoria numbers um which might

[1:46:44] Voice 22: not match with the southern

[1:46:45] Voice 11: violence but

[1:46:46] Voice 22: what i'll also say is their their data that we have to use

[1:46:51] Voice 22: is already below market like their one bedroom vegan market rent in Victoria is something like

[1:46:58] Voice 22: $1,400 when in reality you're looking at $1,700 and up if you're actually looking at new or not

[1:47:04] Voice 22: even new but looking at vacant units on the market because what they're doing is they're

[1:47:08] Voice 22: looking at occupied and vacant units and occupied units that have been occupied for 20 years are

[1:47:14] Voice 22: much cheaper than ones that are actually on the market. And so having to use their criteria,

[1:47:22] Voice 22: while it's not perfect, I totally admit that, it does result in a decent amount of affordability

[1:47:28] Voice 22: because they set their median market rent and the average affordability of the project has to be

[1:47:33] Voice 22: at least 80 percent of that or below. So if the median market rent is a thousand dollars

[1:47:40] Voice 22: for a one-bedroom, the average length of one-bedroom units in the project would have to be 8,000

[1:47:45] Voice 22: as an example.

[1:47:48] Voice 21: Go ahead. So

[1:47:50] Voice 10: just to follow up on that, you said the average, so some people would

[1:47:53] Voice 10: be less than 800 and some people would be more than 1,400. Potentially, yeah. Potentially, yeah.

[1:47:58] Voice 22: Yeah, and that'll depend on the operational needs of the society at the time to make sure that it's

[1:48:04] Voice 22: financially sustainable and of course that the residence is there.

[1:48:07] Voice 10: So can you elaborate on, I

[1:48:09] Voice 10: think a lot of people don't realize that in fact you have to this project has to carry the cost for

[1:48:14] Voice 10: water sewer probably a mortgage elaborate a

[1:48:18] Voice 10: bit on the financial

[1:48:18] Voice 22: yeah that's a really good point

[1:48:20] Voice 22: to bring up um moving away from providing ongoing operational subsidies um and so projects going

[1:48:28] Voice 22: into them you have to show that the project is financially viable and that the income you're

[1:48:33] Voice 22: getting from rents you cover your operational costs which as janine mentioned um includes

[1:48:38] Voice 22: utilities um and a mortgage for a project like this um and so you have to show that over a period

[1:48:45] Voice 22: of at least 10 years you can cover the cost of that with the rents coming in uh

[1:48:53] Voice 21: okay i'll go

[1:48:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): here because you haven't spoken yet and then i'll come to you mr mack

[1:48:57] Voice 19: could you give an explanation

[1:49:00] Voice 19: of how the contractors would be selected for doing the work on this project that's a very

[1:49:12] Voice 22: So when you're doing projects with public funding, especially, it's really important to have competitive and transparent procurement processes.

[1:49:20] Voice 22: So let's say we get the rezoning approved, we get funding and we're hiring the architect to continue on the project and the design team.

[1:49:28] Voice 22: team, what we would do is send out a request for proposals to various firms,

[1:49:32] Voice 22: they would submit proposals and it would be evaluated based on a predetermined

[1:49:36] Voice 22: evaluation matrix. And, you know, things like their actual fees, but also their

[1:49:43] Voice 22: experience on the islands or social housing, things like that. And if it's a

[1:49:51] Voice 22: under and i'll

[1:49:56] Voice 12: just take it a little bit further we're already managing with good good procurement

[1:50:01] Voice 12: practices meaning that we are uh following following the procurement getting estimates

[1:50:08] Voice 12: checking checking uh references and things like that we get a plan from the contractor so we've

[1:50:15] Voice 12: been following that all along it's not likely that there will be a builder on the island

[1:50:19] Voice 12: uh there are no builders actually on the island who can build this multi-family

[1:50:24] Voice 12: housing they're not qualified so it will likely be a builder from outside uh

[1:50:34] Voice 16: mr mackie is in

[1:50:36] Voice 16: relation to

[1:50:37] Voice 21: the identity which is affordable housing is what the big prize here and i think

[1:50:47] a community amenity in this context affordability needs people aren't paying more than 30 percent

[1:50:53] of their income

[1:50:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): on shelter costs but you've got a housing agreement doesn't doesn't say that and

[1:51:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm wondering if there's a chance to revisit that housing agreement so that it says clearly that

[1:51:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a community

[1:51:09] Voice 21: amenity which means that people who are renting here will pay no more than 30

[1:51:14] Voice 21: on rent the

[1:51:17] Voice 12: largest funder of affordable housing in dc and dc housing and currently

[1:51:22] Voice 12: their rental structure is a mixed rental structure.

[1:51:27] Voice 12: So even the largest government funder in BC

[1:51:29] Voice 12: is not asking all of the affordable housing buildings

[1:51:34] Voice 12: or developments to be all 30% of a tenant's income.

[1:51:40] Voice 12: The

[1:51:42] Voice 7: follow up to that is,

[1:51:44] Voice 7: how, why would you pursue that funding program

[1:51:48] Voice 21: if it doesn't

[1:51:49] Voice 21: allow you to provide good rental housing?

[1:51:56] One of the reasons that BC Housing is a very attractive vendor, they do have that prescriptive

[1:52:01] model.

[1:52:02] They offer a direct capital grant, 70 to 130, and the BC Housing

[1:52:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): model, if they're one of

[1:52:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): the funders, the mortgage is significant lower, the operating costs are therefore lower, and

[1:52:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): the rents can be lower.

[1:52:20] Voice 22: I'll also add that in terms of what's available right now for affordable housing funding programs,

[1:52:27] Voice 22: That sort of is the gold standard for affordable housing programs right now, unless you're looking at, like, supportive housing for deeply, deeply affordable units where there's also supports in place for tenants.

[1:52:39] Voice 22: In terms of sort of affordable housing in the most general sense, aimed at low to moderate income partners,

[1:52:46] Voice 22: Housing is sort of what everybody is going for right now because, as Dave mentioned, they provide a large capital input, as well as financing for the project, and it increases the viability of projects by a significant amount.

[1:53:00] Voice 21: Just one quick point. I'm trying to understand.

[1:53:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): So there's only a couple programs that would access funding.

[1:53:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): You've probably done the feasibility analysis of whether or not your program works and how it works with each of those funding programs.

[1:53:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): and you probably know what the average rent is that you're targeting sure you can't pick your

[1:53:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): tenants if you don't know until the end of the day but you know where financial viability lies

[1:53:29] Voice 7: what's the average rent that you need to charge under the two i think it sounds like there's only

[1:53:35] Voice 7: two two major programs so what is the average rent that you need to

[1:53:42] Voice 21: make these projects

[1:53:50] Voice 22: It's a good question. And to be honest, it changes all the time.

[1:53:55] Voice 22: Construction costs have been so volatile over the last few years. Interest rates are now rising.

[1:54:01] Voice 22: So we're always hesitant to put numbers to that, which I understand is frustrating because it does change really frequently until you're actually ready to put shovels in the ground and have your financing lined up.

[1:54:13] Voice 22: um i don't know deb if you want to speak to a range that we've talked about um but it you know

[1:54:21] Voice 22: depending on the model if pc housing was involved we would have several shelter rate units which for

[1:54:27] Voice 22: a one bedroom is 375 currently um and you know slightly below market for one bedrooms based on

[1:54:35] Voice 22: on CMHC's data would be somewhere in the $1,200 range.

[1:54:39] Voice 7: But for the people that are on Main Island who

[1:54:43] Voice 7: are keeping

[1:54:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): businesses open and serving us,

[1:54:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): keeping this island ticking, you need to be able to come to them

[1:54:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): and say, here's our business case,

[1:54:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): and here's what we need to charge to make it work.

[1:54:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): You're in or you're out.

[1:55:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think Main Island kind of would like to know those numbers.

[1:55:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): and even if it's a range so that you can limit your own liability and not say something you

[1:55:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): can't back up could you provide a range in terms of what the average rents would be

[1:55:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): and whether or not young families and workers are likely to have an

[1:55:24] Voice 21: opportunity with this

[1:55:26] Voice 22: yeah i mean we can anyone could do the calculations based on the housing agreement

[1:55:31] Voice 22: And that would be the average that would have to be met and meaning that the range could be below that and above that as long as it's average though.

[1:55:40] Voice 22: And so the rents could range from a low bedroom or a one bedroom.

[1:55:46] Voice 22: Again, the average might be around the $1,200, $1,300 range.

[1:55:51] Voice 22: And a two bedroom might be just over $2,000.

[1:55:54] Voice 22: dollars um but again the actual specific rent for each unit will be highly dependent on the context

[1:56:00] Voice 22: at the time i'd like to

[1:56:02] Voice 12: offer something else here so recent recent research done by wazir actually

[1:56:07] Voice 12: around affordability affordable rents for the southern gulf islands

[1:56:13] Voice 12: indicated i would propose to you that these are already outdated because they were based on

[1:56:20] Voice 12: data from 2021 and you know that cost of living has increased dramatically so

[1:56:29] Voice 12: it's purported here that a one bedroom might rent for 826 but the median income

[1:56:35] Voice 12: of main island residents at 34 000 supports a rent of 850. so they're saying in this report

[1:56:43] Voice 12: that a one bedroom to be affordable would be around the 826 range that a two bedroom might be

[1:56:49] Voice 12: 1478 and a three-bedroom might be 1935 now that sounds really high to me so we're hoping that

[1:56:55] Voice 12: it doesn't have to get like that for main island residents that's what that's what that study said

[1:57:02] Voice 12: and that was looking at the southern gulf islands and it was released in the spring of 2022. i want

[1:57:08] Voice 12: to add to that because i i don't

[1:57:10] Voice 7: know the answer i don't use that scan numbers say the average

[1:57:14] rents on main island were 800 a month and that's true that's that's that's our median rent in this

[1:57:24] market if that's true i don't know if that's

[1:57:27] Voice 21: true i can't believe that there's no way don't think

[1:57:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's a lot of people that have long-standing relationships with their tenants and they're not

[1:57:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): charging much and then you've got we've all seen you know rental rates on some of those

[1:57:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): space on facebook they're fine i don't

[1:57:46] Voice 21: know yes and the

[1:57:46] Voice 12: one bedroom recently was fifteen hundred

[1:57:49] Voice 12: dollars so the rents on main island are going to go up our market is doing that

[1:57:54] Voice 22: and i think this

[1:57:55] Voice 22: discussion sort of highlights why secured affordable renters rentals are really important

[1:58:01] Voice 22: and how having a housing agreement is really important because well yes there are folks living

[1:58:05] Voice 22: on the island who have lived on their landlord's property for years and have a good relationship

[1:58:11] Voice 22: with them. Circumstances can change at any time. And if the property sells or the landlord needs

[1:58:18] Voice 22: to move into that suite, those tenants can get evicted. Whereas when it's secured rental housing,

[1:58:23] Voice 22: it's going to be rental in perpetuity. That's not going to change. Well, maybe the specific

[1:58:28] Voice 22: rental rates aren't perfect and aren't as affordable as we'd all like them to be.

[1:58:33] Voice 22: It is secured housing. So those tenants are going to be safe in those units. And they have a bit

[1:58:38] Voice 22: more security than in a secondary rental market where you're renting from a landlord

[1:58:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes i saw your hand go ahead

[1:58:45] Voice 23: i had a question about the um intention for community engagement

[1:58:49] Voice 23: forward um please correct me if i am mistaken in understanding some of this um the first step is

[1:58:57] Voice 23: getting rezoned but that doesn't mean that you can just go ahead and build so getting rezoned means

[1:59:02] Voice 23: then you have because you'll have a property that you most at least possibly can build on you can

[1:59:10] Voice 23: then put your funding into more detailed drawings you can then put your funding into actually

[1:59:15] Voice 23: understanding the water and the water attachment and the ways that the off flow works so until the

[1:59:22] Voice 23: rezoning happens there's not really much point in actually sending all of the extra funding um

[1:59:31] Voice 23: because that's because the the fact that rezoning is just step one and able to access kind of unlock

[1:59:37] Voice 23: the the ability to get all the drawings get the more um more understanding and that's the

[1:59:45] Voice 23: the next step as far as especially the water is a big problem the first block is the zoning and

[1:59:50] Voice 23: then after that we still have community meetings and stuff to go through where people can voice

[1:59:55] Voice 23: their concerns and really understand what

[2:00:00] Voice 23: the biologists and the engineers are coming up with?

[2:00:04] Voice 12: That's a really good question.

[2:00:06] Voice 12: We've talked about that.

[2:00:07] Voice 12: We'd like to continue to have meetings

[2:00:10] Voice 12: so that people know what's happening there.

[2:00:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[2:00:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): We already do that to the members of the society.

[2:00:17] Yeah.

[2:00:17] You know, meetings and monthly communications.

[2:00:20] So there will be a continuing flow of communications

[2:00:23] and it seems like a good idea

[2:00:26] or another non-ltc community

[2:00:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): meeting we can certainly do that but our annual meeting for

[2:00:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): sure is one of the places where that happens and

[2:00:35] Voice 12: we've had two community information meetings on

[2:00:38] Voice 12: our own as well as well as we are out in the community at farmer's markets for people to

[2:00:42] Voice 12: come up and ask us questions and give us give us their opinions

[2:00:46] Voice 23: and so once the zoning once

[2:00:47] Voice 23: if the plan can be re-zoned then um i think it would be really beneficial that especially as

[2:00:54] Voice 23: new things come up with your engineers that were you know continue to be forthcoming

[2:00:58] Voice 23: and open about what you guys what they're envisioning and what they're doing to to

[2:01:05] Voice 23: really work with the land and make the land a better space a better a better land than it is

[2:01:11] Voice 23: right now um i think yeah i think it's a really important thing that that like an attention and a

[2:01:16] Voice 23: promise of that community engagement is really going to be important here thank

[2:01:21] Voice 12: you for that

[2:01:24] Voice 7: yes sir um yeah question again focusing on

[2:01:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): the water aspect and our concern as neighbors is that

[2:01:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): this high density development 30 times the density of development at the moment uh will impact 21

[2:01:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): downstream homes and

[2:01:39] Voice 7: i don't think there's a scenario that can justify that my concern is water

[2:01:42] Voice 7: supply so uh this is a question for engineer from uh from uh i do um so there's a three-day

[2:01:51] Voice 7: assessment done and then we projected from that to determine that there would be no input impact

[2:01:57] Voice 7: on our neighboring water yet many of us in the neighborhood

[2:01:59] Voice 17: every year run out of water our

[2:02:02] Voice 17: springs have been running dry etc so i'm wondering if you could explain how you project from three

[2:02:08] Voice 17: days to uh guaranteeing that we're not going to have these wells run dry and what that might look

[2:02:14] Voice 17: like in a future climate scenario because this has been a moving target for the last few years

[2:02:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's for the engineer from Hy-Geo.

[2:02:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, Mr. Koha, did you catch the question now?

[2:02:23] Voice 13: Yeah, certainly.

[2:02:26] Voice 13: Well, first of all, the proposed water use from this well

[2:02:30] Voice 13: is a relatively small quantity.

[2:02:34] Voice 13: And during that three-day test,

[2:02:37] Voice 13: we did monitor three other sites

[2:02:39] Voice 13: and there was no discernible interference

[2:02:43] Voice 13: from this pumping test.

[2:02:45] Voice 13: Bear in mind that the water level only drew down a very small fraction of the available

[2:02:52] Voice 13: drought on the well.

[2:02:58] Voice 13: So a three-day test for bedrock is the standard practice for recommended practice, the guidelines

[2:03:10] Voice 13: of the Ministry of Forest, Land and Natural Resources, and that ministry is also going

[2:03:19] Voice 13: to be reviewing the water license application for this well so there'll be some overview of

[2:03:26] Voice 13: my reports there and they won't be making uh presumably recommendations whether the quantity

[2:03:33] Voice 13: is acceptable and whether it needs further analysis but certainly when we look at the

[2:03:42] Voice 13: magnitude of the amount of water that is going to be used by this project it is relatively small

[2:03:51] Voice 13: now this is not to say that the existing well owners down slope have problems

[2:03:57] Voice 13: if you look at the density of the wells in that area i can understand that there are

[2:04:04] Voice 13: problems of well interference water quality salt water intrusion a myriad of issues

[2:04:12] Voice 13: But in terms of this property and the amount of water that's going to be extracted on this property, it's very, very small.

[2:04:21] Voice 13: And the aquifer is certainly capable of meeting that demand without affecting the closest wells, Mr. Sean Hughes' well, or others downslope.

[2:04:37] Voice 13: that's my analysis and we'll see what the ministry of forests rules on the water application thank

[2:04:48] Voice 13: you we

[2:04:48] Voice 12: have spoken with them now we haven't talked to you about it since but we have spoken with them

[2:04:54] Voice 12: they're putting a recommendation in that they will approve the the well for a license they're

[2:05:01] Voice 12: they're they're about to do some Aboriginal First Nations contact referrals and so we expect to have

[2:05:08] Voice 12: our license in a few months and

[2:05:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): so to clarify when that was drawn of that three-day period I believe

[2:05:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): in your report you acknowledged that it was spiking due to major rain events that were above the

[2:05:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): median levels for that time

[2:05:21] Voice 17: of year so that was the baseline for that for that for that draw I

[2:05:25] Voice 17: just there are lots of times three day periods in the year when we do have water in this neighborhood

[2:05:30] Voice 17: But there's also the entire summer drought and we have none, and I just struggled to

[2:05:34] Voice 17: see how a three day window after a major rain event captures the seasonality of this year.

[2:05:39] Voice 17: And again,

[2:05:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): to my previous question, what that could look like, given that that baseline

[2:05:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): is shifting under climate protection.

[2:05:48] Voice 13: My opinion would be that there's certainly enough available drawdown at that site that

[2:05:53] Voice 13: there would be no issues there.

[2:05:57] Voice 12: The three day test has nothing to do with the rainfall, the atmospheric river, it was

[2:06:03] Voice 12: done before that no

[2:06:05] Voice 17: i believe in this report and i quote the

[2:06:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): levels were spiking in september due

[2:06:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): to major rain events and were above the median levels for that time of year well

[2:06:16] Voice 13: that's true

[2:06:18] Voice 13: there was a there was a spike um in september of that year um when the test was done but the water

[2:06:27] Voice 13: water levels were also very very low at that time historically from the decades of information

[2:06:35] Voice 13: from the observation well and if you look at the magnitude of the spike on that graph

[2:06:43] Voice 13: it is not very very significant it's certainly about well it's a half a meter and half a

[2:06:51] Voice 13: meters is uh not not very significant in terms of the available drawdown in that well yeah anybody

[2:07:04] Voice 7: have any other first-time questions before i move on to you okay

[2:07:09] Voice 4: go ahead um i'm not sure which of

[2:07:11] Voice 4: the water experts would be better in answering this but um in your experience does wetland

[2:07:18] Voice 4: restoration impact the available water in and um and aquifer recharge are you asking

[2:07:29] Voice 7: mr kohut that question

[2:07:30] Voice 4: um well i'm asking either one of the water experts so al

[2:07:36] Voice 4: can you comment on

[2:07:37] Voice 4: that is

[2:07:39] Voice 13: my uh i'm not sure that's that's my field and i i never have been involved in any

[2:07:45] Voice 13: restoration projects to monitor before and after events i do know that certainly um logging can

[2:07:52] Voice 13: can have some impacts on water levels in wells.

[2:07:57] Voice 13: But I think it would be a site-specific situation

[2:08:00] Voice 13: that would have to be examined.

[2:08:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Where would be the primary recharge zone for this?

[2:08:07] Voice 13: Well, it's certainly on the slopes of Mount Park.

[2:08:10] Voice 13: It's the same forested zone

[2:08:13] Voice 13: where the runoff is originating.

[2:08:18] Voice 13: I do define the recharge area

[2:08:20] Voice 13: in the, for the particular well in my report.

[2:08:25] Voice 13: okay

[2:08:29] Voice 6: thanks does that answer your question oh

[2:08:32] Voice 4: no but i think that you

[2:08:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): wanted to know whether

[2:08:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): if they do wetland restoration whether that's going to impact the well recharge is that what

[2:08:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): i understood your question or

[2:08:40] Voice 4: you know in in any of the the areas yeah

[2:08:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't think mr kovac felt

[2:08:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): qualified to answer that question is that is that what i understood now i'm sorry well i

[2:08:53] Voice 13: i um we've

[2:08:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): had too many meetings together i think

[2:08:56] Voice 13: in in terms of the recharge which is originating

[2:09:02] Voice 13: on the slopes of mount park um activities down slope whether they're retention ponds or

[2:09:10] Voice 13: or any type of restorations effects would not have an effect on the recharge so i would anticipate

[2:09:17] Voice 13: none but um uh it depends i guess on what what is specifically recommended and what i've heard

[2:09:24] Voice 13: today is there's nothing drastic that would affect the recharge upslope and my understanding is

[2:09:31] Voice 13: the main issue there is too much water at

[2:09:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): certain times of year well

[2:09:38] Voice 13: certain times of year yes for

[2:09:39] Voice 13: sure i'm

[2:09:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to go yes back to you and then i'll come to you yes yes sorry i'm the names

[2:09:49] Voice 15: What I noticed, I walk Maple Drive all the time, and I noticed that the fellow deer have

[2:10:01] Voice 15: the upper side of Maple Drive, and it's quite evident that they travel in herds and so on.

[2:10:11] Voice 15: and and part of the uh you know just um with my husband saying about uh letting the natural

[2:10:22] Voice 15: resource of you know the reforestation i'm i'm thinking that if we're going to be

[2:10:29] Voice 15: cantering further with this and then trying to plan um then you have the fellow there that comes

[2:10:38] Voice 15: comes charging and and so i'm thinking that to really be fair it would be to fence the whole

[2:10:48] Voice 15: property that is being affected because we're being um and i know the the fellow there are

[2:10:58] Voice 15: everybody's problem on main island and i know that janine has uh has

[2:11:04] Voice 15: um being really forceful

[2:11:08] Voice 21: about her her ways

[2:11:09] Voice 15: about dealing with the development but that this is

[2:11:15] Voice 15: this is add to the situation so i'm wondering would the plan include um fencing the whole

[2:11:24] Voice 15: property not just like one or two or three the whole property you

[2:11:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): know around the whole 10 acres

[2:11:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah why not i don't know anybody do that um anybody have you ever considered any fencing

[2:11:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): issues situations on your property i've actually um inquired of the wildlife well it's not for this

[2:11:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): but uh rob underhill for my own property was there advised fencing a substantial chunk like acres

[2:11:57] a couple of acres uh and he said generally not it's useful for small areas of repudiation

[2:12:04] something is established, but it just increases the browsing pressure elsewhere.

[2:12:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Venting doesn't seem to be the solution to the Faladir problem,

[2:12:15] Voice 21: at least not on its own.

[2:12:21] Voice 17: Can I chime in just a little bit? Is this Keith?

[2:12:25] Voice 17: It's Keith speaking, yeah. Just I wanted to make a couple of points. The first is that

[2:12:33] Voice 17: there are areas in the, let's call it the broader restoration area of the property. Within that,

[2:12:43] Voice 17: there are portions of naturally regenerating forest that would be just left to do its thing

[2:12:52] Voice 17: because it's already being established the soil restoration the rough and loose treatments would

[2:12:58] Voice 17: be focused on only the areas that are compacted where the forest is not growing as it should

[2:13:07] Voice 17: so there it's not one unified site it would be have to be assessed at the site level which Robin

[2:13:16] Voice 17: and may have done in her in her plan but it wouldn't be a uniform treatment where you're

[2:13:22] Voice 17: um you know tearing up the soil on on on the entire site it would be specific to the areas

[2:13:28] Voice 17: that need it um the roads and the landing sites and things of that nature where the soil compaction

[2:13:34] Voice 17: has happened and secondly once that's complete um especially on main island with the fallow deer

[2:13:41] Voice 17: issue, some fencing would definitely be recommended in order to help to reestablish

[2:13:47] Voice 17: vegetation. And then hopefully that fencing would be temporary in nature, you know, five to 10 years

[2:13:54] Voice 17: until the trees and shrubs were able to get up above sort of that critical browsing height. But

[2:13:59] Voice 17: that would also be, you know, a part of a more detailed recommendation or prescription

[2:14:06] Voice 17: description for the property thank

[2:14:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): you for your question uh someone had a question go ahead my

[2:14:14] Voice 20: question has arisen this afternoon just out of curiosity as a person who has had a fight with

[2:14:20] Voice 20: mother nature and water that kind of when there was a river running through my basement I'm down

[2:14:26] Voice 20: slope and I'm wondering I had to phone professionals I needed help and I'm just

[2:14:32] Voice 20: wondering if any one of the neighbors specifically has called in a professional to look at your

[2:14:37] Voice 20: property to see how you could ameliorate the conditions thank

[2:14:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): you for your question i think

[2:14:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can ask that offline this is the time to question for questions for

[2:14:47] Voice 20: the answer and it's

[2:14:48] Voice 20: i try

[2:14:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): not to let these turn into community discussions you're welcome

[2:14:52] Voice 20: to have your own

[2:14:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): discussion so go ahead and ask i

[2:14:54] Voice 20: misunderstood that's okay

[2:14:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's okay uh but i don't want us

[2:14:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): to get into back and forth um it's we've been going for a couple hours now and uh we've been

[2:15:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): around but i'll open this floor for maybe one or two more questions are there any more questions

[2:15:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes mr mack go ahead sure um the environment performance on the site and with the um costs

[2:15:17] so

[2:15:18] Voice 7: can

[2:15:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just add can i help you with that question because i i was grouping the questions

[2:15:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): i got from i think it was from you rebecca and one of the questions

[2:15:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): was whether you thought that the

[2:15:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): group the way it was laid out met the environmental objectives and so is that what your question is

[2:15:41] Voice 21: no

[2:15:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): like that's going to be a thorny one i mean that question would be um to what extent is the

[2:15:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): site plan in alignment with

[2:15:48] Voice 21: the recommendation mr eric

[2:15:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah is

[2:15:52] Voice 21: that is that a different question

[2:15:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): that you're asking now that's that's one the other one is could a alternative site plan and

[2:16:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): structure kind of design layout reduce costs okay

[2:16:04] Voice 6: so let me put the first

[2:16:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): question to mr erickson

[2:16:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): did you understand the question key uh how how does the i'll rephrase it and mr mackie will tell

[2:16:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): me if i get it wrong um but the question the question is is the site plan layout has changed

[2:16:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): since you did your environmental report to some extent um and i want and and the question that

[2:16:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): was written given to us in writing and i thought was a reasonable question is is the new site's

[2:16:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): plan as it set out in alignment with the environmental recommendation assessment

[2:16:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): recommendations you gave in your original report i got that mostly correct it's really about

[2:16:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): improvement can you improve the alignment with the recommendations by tweaking that site design

[2:16:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay

[2:16:52] Voice 17: did you hear the question i did i did hear the question and uh you know i i'll be

[2:16:59] Voice 17: i would say first from looking at the most recent uh proposal um that it is in alignment with the

[2:17:08] Voice 17: recommendations that were made um and then uh in the second part of that question um

[2:17:15] Voice 17: i have not done the analysis that would be required from my perspective to determine

[2:17:20] Voice 17: and whether there would be uh that i would have suggestions for for improvement there i i haven't

[2:17:28] Voice 17: done that work i haven't been asked to do that work rather and so um i can't really comment on

[2:17:35] Voice 17: that okay

[2:17:36] Voice 6: so let's go to the second part of the question was and eleni were you going to answer

[2:17:41] Voice 6: that or somebody else yeah

[2:17:42] Voice 12: i'd like to just address a little bit of the first question

[2:17:47] Voice 12: because i

[2:17:47] Voice 12: want i'd like people to understand that keith erickson was working on this on his

[2:17:52] Voice 12: assessment in august of 2020 and we were simultaneously working on the site plan

[2:17:58] Voice 12: when we had our community information meeting in september of 2020 i think that's correct

[2:18:04] Voice 12: 2020 they dovetailed completely the site plan has not changed significantly the only thing that's

[2:18:10] Voice 12: change from that point is the driveway i just would like to clarify that that we were working

[2:18:17] Voice 12: together with the recommendations from keith erickson to develop the cycle which is as you

[2:18:24] Voice 12: know what today um then there was a question about cost so

[2:18:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're suggesting it was an

[2:18:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): iterative process so you were working together developing that site plan with keith and he was

[2:18:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): suggesting changes to

[2:18:38] Voice 12: it i'm telling you that what we thought we were we received pete's

[2:18:43] Voice 12: recommendations and we worked on the site plan and then we had a presentation where they dovetailed

[2:18:49] Voice 12: their reports to the community and it worked together site plan a site plan hasn't changed

[2:18:55] Voice 12: the

[2:18:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): dovetail what does that mean it

[2:18:59] Voice 12: was just it was the way they presented oh

[2:19:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): so they were

[2:19:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): presented together they

[2:19:03] Voice 12: were presented together yeah yeah yeah so your next question was about

[2:19:08] Voice 12: costs if the costs were if if if the site plan was if the buildings were more compact would it

[2:19:14] Voice 12: affect the cost is that what your next question was is

[2:19:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): there a cheaper way to build this so that

[2:19:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can make it more affordable we are

[2:19:23] Voice 12: looking at the cheap way to build it and as we go through

[2:19:26] Voice 12: through the development and the detailed design,

[2:19:28] Voice 12: and we will come to the best way to build it for you.

[2:19:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): A little more context.

[2:19:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the housing feasibility analysis

[2:19:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): is going to look at cost to build

[2:19:41] standard old structures versus a 10-unit structure.

[2:19:45] It looked like there's cost savings

[2:19:47] if you

[2:19:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): build a 10-unit structure .

[2:19:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Absolutely.

[2:19:53] Voice 12: Absolutely.

[2:19:54] Voice 12: No question.

[2:19:55] Voice 12: if you build a little apartment it's going to be cheaper but what we wanted to do when we were

[2:20:01] Voice 12: one of our criteria was to make it uh the development and if you understand that the

[2:20:07] Voice 12: units are really small and the footprint is quite small but we wanted to make it more of a community

[2:20:13] Voice 12: appearing uh site plan a place for people to live who would enjoy living there and so we are

[2:20:21] Voice 12: starting out with duplexes to try to make that into a community rural world type uh community

[2:20:30] Voice 12: and so that was one of our criteria in this design and certainly as we move forward as we work with

[2:20:36] Voice 12: developers and funders the site plan might change okay

[2:20:43] Voice 7: thanks uh all right one more

[2:20:46] Voice 17: thank you so we

[2:20:48] Voice 17: So we've asked about surface runoff and we've asked about groundwater, our next concern is wastewater.

[2:20:55] Voice 17: I'm wondering, we still haven't really seen a wastewater plan, I'm wondering if you could tell us where your septic field is located.

[2:21:01] Voice 17: And I jumped to that with the previous question, who is paying for your wetland restoration on Lot 2?

[2:21:08] Voice 17: And what's your baseline? What are you restoring to? What state? We've

[2:21:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): talked about, you know, pre-development, etc.

[2:21:15] Voice 7: The challenge for restoration is what are you restoring it to?

[2:21:20] Voice 21: It's a remediation plan, but I'm going to let David talk about that.

[2:21:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): The areas are outlined in the map.

[2:21:30] And within those areas, the remediation would be done as Keith described.

[2:21:36] Rough and loose treatment where there's areas of compaction would be de-ditching.

[2:21:41] And there would be, bring it to a state where it would be more able to regenerate trees.

[2:21:49] on it so there are places there um i guess it's been talked about but there's places there where

[2:21:55] it's been compacted for

[2:21:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): 40 years and there's still not a tree growing up in in that area that's how

[2:22:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): so the plan is there the the recommendations for the wetland remediation specials are there and

[2:22:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): those are the areas in which that plan would be executed so

[2:22:15] Voice 7: sorry so where is it located and

[2:22:17] Voice 7: who's paying for the second restoration i'm not too mean

[2:22:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): island housing society has volunteered

[2:22:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): to pay for the restoration as part of the restoration being done at the same time with

[2:22:31] the equipment that's on site for there will need to be a supply of woody matter

[2:22:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): to do this

[2:22:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): tilling in of the ground and the in in that report back there is an estimate and the location of the

[2:22:47] septic field the location of the septic

[2:22:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): field is defined not on this map but it is uh you've

[2:22:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): referred to it in the letters so you have seen the map before that i'm unclear as to whether

[2:22:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's on lock two or whether it's on the lock primarily on lock one but there isn't there will

[2:23:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): be an easement on lock two so it could be on three yeah so is it a weapon sorry

[2:23:12] Voice 21: is it a septic field or a restoration those are two completely different things

[2:23:24] Voice 21: it's like your clarification it's not clear

[2:23:27] Voice 21: okay

[2:23:31] Voice 7: i think we've run our course here welcome back

[2:23:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): everyone it's uh it's now um about time it's now 22

[2:23:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): 4. i still have

[2:23:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): i

[2:23:45] Voice 21: still

[2:23:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): have uh three attendees

[2:23:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you welcome uh so that was we're gonna move through the rest of the agenda

[2:23:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh thank you very much for everyone and thank you for the presentations and for all of your

[2:23:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): question um so the next item on the agenda is my agenda before people

[2:24:09] Voice 21: is uh

[2:24:14] Voice 10: minutes

[2:24:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): which i actually had one question uh do either of the trustees have any questions

[2:24:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): regarding the sentence no i had one that's on page um oh i wanted to i think this was probably

[2:24:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): a misstatement halfway through on page two in this page four of the package it quotes trustee

[2:24:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): dodds is saying the ltc takes direction from the planner and i think it probably should say

[2:24:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): advice from the planner

[2:25:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): I remember the conversation, I'm sure with some directions.

[2:25:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): So if we could change.

[2:25:17] Voice 10: sure that's what they said though okay but not pretending in a directed way okay uh that's

[2:25:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): my only so without it nobody else has anything with that um so the next item on the agenda

[2:25:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): is oh no i

[2:25:40] Voice 21: think i figured that out okay

[2:25:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): so then uh we're on to the section 26 resolutions

[2:25:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): solutions without meeting that's simply here for information which is where we reschedule the um

[2:25:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): basically a public hearing from October 31st to November the 14th um and then uh there are no

[2:26:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): APC minutes we've already received those we have to follow up action which is ready what flag for

[2:26:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): us uh on our job

[2:26:12] Voice 3: uh no moment except for um all the ones related to the CRD I have connected with

[2:26:17] Voice 3: the cid uh to follow up and i'll i'll be calling up there are three questions related to cid

[2:26:23] Voice 3: matters one was the other was um wooddale and then there was the third right of course

[2:26:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay um okay super and just so you know um it's on here somewhere uh planner tower did write a

[2:26:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): letter for me to the conservancy and i overlooked giving her feedback but did that last night

[2:26:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll get the letter out

[2:26:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): um anyway the next item is the letter from uh chair of the island's trust conservancy

[2:27:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's on page 15 of the agenda this is a response to my letter i think there's been some engagement

[2:27:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): etc is there anything that either trustee would like to do with relation to this one

[2:27:15] Voice 10: writing letters is useless we

[2:27:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): can put that in the

[2:27:18] Voice 10: minutes and i'm disappointed i'm really looking

[2:27:21] Voice 10: for the fallow deer management plan which i think the island's trust conservancy should be able to

[2:27:27] Voice 10: access grants for so i don't see that here but we'll leave it for the next agenda okay so i was

[2:27:32] Voice 10: disappointed i thought it was a useless letter thank you i

[2:27:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): will pass that on

[2:27:40] Voice 10: effective i should have said ineffective in

[2:27:42] Trustee Maude: effect but do we want this letter carried

[2:27:44] Trustee Maude: towards the next agenda yes yes

[2:27:46] Trustee Maude: okay so then we can bring this letter and

[2:27:49] Voice 10: maybe we can go back

[2:27:50] Voice 10: suggestions and you'll

[2:27:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): have by that time you probably you'll probably have a new chair

[2:27:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the conservancy and yes and and at least one and maybe two other questions speaking of which

[2:28:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): they're still looking for a provincial appointee for the

[2:28:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): conservancy if anybody's interested and

[2:28:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): they were looking for someone specifically with some in working with that had some expertise in

[2:28:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): working with indigenous peoples and also biology sort of that com a nice little combination but

[2:28:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyway there's still a vacancy for the public general public at large and and the conservancy

[2:28:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): as you guys know there'll be one one trustee elected from at the trust council there'll be

[2:28:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): one appointee from no two sorry i elected a trust council and then

[2:28:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): one appointee from

[2:28:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): the executive committee sit on the uh on the conservancy and that'll all occur

[2:28:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh we have a murt modi referral um and planner chadwick do you want to

[2:28:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): sort of give us the heads up i yeah i'm not sure what a

[2:28:56] Voice 3: referral that we got from um uh

[2:28:59] Voice 3: from the ministry of transportation infrastructure and they're wanting so they had a um they had a

[2:29:05] Voice 3: um application uh provided to them by the uh the main island community center society

[2:29:13] Voice 3: um they're interested in amalgamating the adjacent roadway so there's a i think you're

[2:29:17] Voice 3: all familiar with it um there's a closed road that's used as a pathway and that is is owned by

[2:29:22] Voice 3: um um by uh by modi and the community center would like to just amalgamate that with their

[2:29:29] Voice 3: with their property um and so they've had discussions with with the main island parks

[2:29:37] Voice 3: and recreation commission um to about uh about establishing that as a statutory uh statutory

[2:29:45] Voice 3: right-of-way to ensure the retention of access in that area so it would be would be owned by

[2:29:50] Voice 3: by it would be part of the center of society's property,

[2:29:56] Voice 3: but it would be a railway for people of the age.

[2:30:00] Voice 3: used by a trail um the one thing i just point out with that is it'll create a split a split zone

[2:30:08] Voice 3: plot um uh so part part part part of that this is a small sliver of space but it just happens that

[2:30:17] Voice 3: the over the zone boundary goes right straight through the middle of it so part of it would be

[2:30:21] Voice 3: rural and part of it would be um community service but that can easily be adjusted

[2:30:25] Voice 3: Saturday. So really, this is just here to let you know and

[2:30:31] Voice 3: see if if you are have any concerns about it. Anything

[2:30:36] Voice 3: you'd like me to take back to Moody on this?

[2:30:39] Voice 3: No, it's an excellent idea.

[2:30:41] Trustee Maude: Strongly endorsed. Okay, do we get a motion?

[2:30:48] Voice 6: You're good with comments that they endorse? Okay, strong,

[2:30:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): strongly endorsed not just the doors uh now we're at the staff report on the main island housing

[2:31:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): society so what were you planning yeah

[2:31:05] Voice 3: so there were just there were a few items um from the last

[2:31:09] Voice 3: meeting um for follow-up um one of which was the uh the section 219 covenant um and so the section

[2:31:17] Voice 3: Section 219 Covenant still needs to be endorsed by the LPC, and there was a change that was made.

[2:31:25] Voice 3: So if you recall at the last meeting, there was a decision that was made which was to keep in Section 18, which was the clause related to the requirement for the construction of five units before

[2:31:43] Voice 3: more on what to can occur. And then it also includes a five

[2:31:51] Voice 3: year expiry date on that. So that was a that was supported by

[2:31:57] Voice 3: the PLTC after the recommendations from the APC.

[2:32:02] Voice 3: Put that in. And then there was some discussion around the

[2:32:06] Voice 3: decent the required easement um on the driveway uh of lot one to access lots two so the way the

[2:32:18] Voice 3: way that we can ensure that that happens is just basically prevent a driveway from lot two so that

[2:32:26] Voice 3: forces um forces an easement so the clause number 20 uh that was put uh added to the covenant that

[2:32:35] Voice 3: the only change that's been made um since you saw it last um that speaks to that that that um that

[2:32:43] Voice 3: requirement so it basically prohibits um vehicle access from um lot two um which uh essentially

[2:32:52] Voice 3: requires that there's a negotiated agreement with uh lot one for access so those were so those were

[2:33:02] Voice 3: the two that that was the one the only change that was made since you've seen that questions

[2:33:11] Voice 21: from trustees i just

[2:33:15] Trustee Maude: i just briefly we just had a discussion with um chadwick about schedule b

[2:33:21] Trustee Maude: which was on page 28. um just as it's responding to some of the feedback from the public and what

[2:33:30] Trustee Maude: i had suggested and i believe that just kind of chadwick sort of agrees is if we could just do

[2:33:37] Trustee Maude: some slight amendments to the wording um so as it starts um schedule b instead of recommendations

[2:33:47] Trustee Maude: they'll put requirements um um clause d um take out the word recommend and just end up the same

[2:33:57] Trustee Maude: with clause i um and change that to to consulting with professional hydrologists and then over on

[2:34:06] Trustee Maude: two um instead of saying may say should um and then um after wetland um say which shouldn't

[2:34:18] Trustee Maude: uh include so just some just some minor amendments just basically to firm up the wording

[2:34:24] Trustee Maude: yeah you know it's interesting

[2:34:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): i mean i honestly read this differently than some of the questions

[2:34:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): right and what you're addressing too because i had sort of assumed these were all um

[2:34:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): because often you see a covenant says and shall be done in accordance with the report that's

[2:34:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): attached and then you

[2:34:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): attach the report and said you sort of summarized the amazing points of the

[2:34:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): report and i sort of thought i sort of read it to be oh well those are all the things they have to

[2:34:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): do but i get the point that some of the language is more discretionary um and uh i don't know

[2:34:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether you have anything you'd like to to respond to that kind of a question oh

[2:35:06] Voice 3: well simply that i

[2:35:07] Voice 3: i don't think that there would be an issue with strengthening that language okay um so

[2:35:14] Voice 6: okay now

[2:35:15] Voice 6: trusty mon have you sort of identified the specific ones um i mean i sort of thought it would just be

[2:35:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): we could put some language that says shall be done in accordance with the the uh the professional

[2:35:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): reports the wetland risk risk restoration and ecological assessment reports and all

[2:35:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): recommendations those of which that are summarized in in schedule b but we can go to schedule b and

[2:35:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): strengthen the language i don't know which is your preferred approach i

[2:35:44] Voice 1: think it'd be simpler

[2:35:45] Voice 1: to go to section d and just change the language okay so just go back through that so the very

[2:35:51] Voice 1: first

[2:35:52] Trustee Maude: so so basically oh good so pat's got it right there so she could highlight it okay so

[2:35:57] Trustee Maude: let's do it one at a time okay so at the beginning um

[2:36:00] Trustee Maude: the title the instead of recommendations for the remediation it says requirements

[2:36:08] Trustee Maude: okay

[2:36:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): so the first motion would be to change the title to to requirements for the remediation and

[2:36:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): preservations of lots so that's the motion let's wait for pat to stop writing that's fine

[2:36:24] Trustee Maude: okay so um the second one is under d remove the word recommend okay and then under i

[2:36:36] Trustee Maude: again that would just so then it would just read as a requirement consulting with a certified

[2:36:41] Trustee Maude: to reverse exactly right so under i same thing remove um recommend and consultation and just

[2:36:49] Trustee Maude: put um consulting decision and determine direct

[2:36:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): impacts to the metrology the development prescribed

[2:36:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): measures required to mitigate onset on-site and potential measures might include and then

[2:37:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): it sort of ends right there um do you know why that ends right there or does it go into it goes

[2:37:09] Voice 21: is it so

[2:37:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): j is a continuation of i

[2:37:11] Voice 21: seems

[2:37:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): to be a

[2:37:13] Voice 21: subset

[2:37:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh

[2:37:15] Voice 21: yes okay so

[2:37:20] Trustee Maude: pat you're up to speed yeah

[2:37:22] Voice 12: i is to remove the word recommend at the beginning yeah

[2:37:25] Trustee Maude: and recommend and consultation

[2:37:28] Trustee Maude: and it would be consulting required

[2:37:32] Voice 10: oh so just remove okay oh i see okay actually wouldn't it

[2:37:37] Voice 10: be consultants professional consultants yes consult

[2:37:41] Trustee Maude: i would

[2:37:42] Voice 10: be consult okay

[2:37:43] Trustee Maude: okay consult yes

[2:37:52] Voice 21: well i

[2:37:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): think we're going to do a b c d the way we're doing

[2:37:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): um or you can write them on a second one please i i thought we

[2:38:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): might do each motion separately

[2:38:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): But he's continuing to go through.

[2:38:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): We'll

[2:38:07] Voice 20: decide that it does look like that's

[2:38:09] Voice 3: a formatting area era.

[2:38:11] Voice 3: J through should be

[2:38:13] Voice 3: through end should just take points under.

[2:38:16] Voice 3: Oh,

[2:38:17] Trustee Maude: okay. So that would be reformat or doing the motion for that.

[2:38:22] Voice 3: Okay, I

[2:38:22] Voice 10: think we can just format all right that way.

[2:38:25] Voice 10: yeah

[2:38:25] Trustee Maude: it's a report by j3 okay

[2:38:27] Voice 10: j right one two yeah

[2:38:31] Trustee Maude: then um so we're over on two wetland

[2:38:35] restoration for report a remove the the

[2:38:38] Trustee Maude: word may and replace it with should um

[2:38:44] Voice 12: where are you sorry

[2:38:45] Voice 12: yeah i'm just looking for where the

[2:38:49] Voice 12: word is because i have to put it yeah

[2:38:50] Trustee Maude: may is right in

[2:38:51] Trustee Maude: the middle of the first line oh

[2:38:52] Voice 12: no longer okay so

[2:38:54] Trustee Maude: that becomes and then at the end of that line

[2:38:58] Trustee Maude: said forested woodland so remove the word by it

[2:39:04] Voice 10: loves me yeah

[2:39:05] Trustee Maude: so so after wood

[2:39:06] Trustee Maude: woodland removed

[2:39:08] Trustee Maude: the word by and and which it'd say which may involve you mean after forested wetland yeah oh

[2:39:19] Trustee Maude: so so you take out the word by and you say which may involve

[2:39:31] Voice 21: It's

[2:39:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually forested wetland.

[2:39:33] Voice 21: So

[2:39:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): then read, old logging yards that are no longer needed should be restored to a forested

[2:39:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): wetland, which may involve removing the compaction through a technique known as a lull.

[2:39:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): lot which

[2:39:50] Voice 21: may be moving okay

[2:39:57] Voice 16: yeah what's

[2:40:00] Voice 7: next that's it

[2:40:00] Voice 12: yeah so we do have a bit of a concern

[2:40:06] Voice 12: i might come into this it was raised here where where it says h i it's i on page 28

[2:40:16] Voice 12: where you're having consult with professional hydrologists to determine direct impacts it was

[2:40:22] Voice 12: was that was changed in consultation with with you and the planner to um consult with the wetland

[2:40:30] Voice 12: specialist as record that was recommended by Keith Erickson so these have already been done but we

[2:40:37] Voice 12: don't want to have that as an outstanding clause that hasn't been done okay

[2:40:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): so if you could be

[2:40:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): or wetland specialist okay

[2:40:47] Voice 10: so after hydrologist hydrologist or wetland specialist yeah so that

[2:40:55] Voice 10: was

[2:40:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): just simply missed in this draft or well in consultation with keith erickson we were

[2:41:02] how best to do this work and who would be most qualified and we were he recommended that we

[2:41:08] worked with the wetland resolution specialist

[2:41:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): who just knew this kind of work well this was

[2:41:12] Voice 3: the language that was provided by

[2:41:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): keith in his original report yeah

[2:41:16] Voice 3: and it was provided by us

[2:41:18] Voice 3: because

[2:41:18] Voice 10: it was right so yeah yeah okay so would it now read consult with professional hydrologists

[2:41:26] Voice 10: or wetlands specialists to determine that would suit us okay okay

[2:41:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): so we have a series of proposed

[2:41:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): proposed amendments to the um uh to schedule B and do you have anything further trustee dogs

[2:41:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): so we could do it as one omnibus motion or we can do the separate portions

[2:41:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): um you have a preference trustee mom you're the chair

[2:42:01] Voice 12: can

[2:42:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can we make how have you drafted it with separate motions

[2:42:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): well

[2:42:05] Voice 12: i just put down the points i'll then design it into whatever so

[2:42:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's do it as an on the bus

[2:42:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): motion so it starts with to make the following amendments to schedule b uh the first one would

[2:42:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): be the if the you could write about um

[2:42:22] Voice 12: requirements for remediation we'll

[2:42:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): change the word

[2:42:27] Voice 12: it's entitled

[2:42:28] Voice 12: able to read requirements for remediation and preservation of about two and three

[2:42:33] Voice 12: correct

[2:42:34] Voice 7: that's

[2:42:35] Voice 12: a section b i just need to find it uh remove recommend and replace with remove

[2:42:43] Trustee Maude: we're still acquired i

[2:42:44] Voice 12: think i think

[2:42:45] Trustee Maude: we're using it just remove the word and then

[2:42:47] Voice 12: changing oh sorry

[2:42:49] Trustee Maude: okay

[2:42:49] Voice 12: yeah remove recommendation just remove section i um remove recommend consultation

[2:42:56] Voice 12: patient to be consult with hydrologist or wetland specialist correct yes uh 2a no longer uh by remove

[2:43:09] Voice 12: which may add to the wetland by remove which may involve it's

[2:43:18] Voice 10: i'd say i understand it when i go to

[2:43:19] Voice 10: there was a red formatting okay yeah and then we have to reformat okay

[2:43:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): but let's do this

[2:43:26] Voice 10: spirit so

[2:43:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's that's the motion from trustee maude i think you've captured it

[2:43:31] Voice 10: and you'll be

[2:43:32] Voice 10: able to capture it on the recording okay

[2:43:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's second is there any further discussion from

[2:43:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the uh and i i i have one question my understanding also is because we're about

[2:43:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know we're presuming we'll go ahead and have our public hearing on november 14th

[2:43:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): my understanding is that we can continue to make minor tweaks to section 219 covenant after the

[2:43:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): public hearing if we hear something that goes i don't think you can completely rewrite it or redo

[2:44:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): it but that would put new but you could make other tweaks to it if you need to it's not

[2:44:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): locked in stone as soon as we until it's signed right

[2:44:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah so i wanted to say that i meant to

[2:44:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): say that earlier about the 219 covenant as things arise we can continue to make some changes

[2:44:20] Voice 21: as

[2:44:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): i've always understood defined as minor um as opposed to putting a whole new onerous

[2:44:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): responsibility or something that may not have existed before anyway so we've got the motion

[2:44:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): second and one for the discussion all in favor that pops unanimously now we have a reformatting

[2:44:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): issue okay

[2:44:38] Voice 10: so i move that we reformat from i so at the end of i we no longer say j k l m or n

[2:44:48] Voice 10: we simply make those as points okay as bullets and then j becomes what what once was o will become j

[2:44:58] Voice 10: does that make sense pat uh

[2:45:01] Voice 12: i just need to how far did the j and all the way down

[2:45:04] Voice 12: N and

[2:45:05] Voice 12: N are

[2:45:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): all subsets under under I and then so then and O becomes J and

[2:45:14] Voice 10: then P becomes K

[2:45:15] Voice 10: and Q becomes L it's much easier on paper

[2:45:19] Voice 12: she's

[2:45:23] Voice 10: got paper one

[2:45:24] Voice 12: I after the colon it would then

[2:45:28] Voice 12: then those are put in as

[2:45:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): bullets correct jklm okay so that's been moved seconded okay all in favor

[2:45:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): anything further related to any of these uh and how about so they so um

[2:45:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): back of this so we've got the covenant and we've got the uh i have a couple things to say about

[2:45:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): the trust policy director's checklist but we can do this first section first if you like um but i'm

[2:46:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to just turn to the applicant because it's an application and we always give the applicant

[2:46:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): an opportunity to speak to the to what we're talking about do you have anything further you'd

[2:46:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to say anything you'd like to say about what we've just done in relation to the to the section

[2:46:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): section 219 come beyond what you've already said

[2:46:21] Voice 12: no that's fine okay yeah

[2:46:25] Voice 12: meaning it hasn't changed

[2:46:26] Voice 12: okay so if

[2:46:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): does someone want to make um

[2:46:29] Voice 10: I move that the main island local trust committee endorse

[2:46:33] Voice 10: the draft section 219 covenant associated with marz 2020.1 main island housing society

[2:46:41] Voice 10: As amended.

[2:46:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): As amended.

[2:46:43] Voice 10: As amended.

[2:46:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:46:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there a seconder?

[2:46:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:46:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, any further discussion from either of the parties?

[2:46:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:46:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor, that passes.

[2:46:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[2:46:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just wanted to say in terms of the two things I wanted to say in relation to the

[2:46:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): ... Well, I'll actually turn to trustees, so either of the trustees have anything they

[2:47:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to say about the trust policy statement checklist?

[2:47:07] Voice 16: No.

[2:47:07] Voice 16: No.

[2:47:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. So I think, I think a couple of things.

[2:47:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): One is, I think we can put a few more check marks on this.

[2:47:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): Where

[2:47:16] Voice 10: they said no duplicables?

[2:47:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes. I think that 3.13, 3.1.3, 3.1.5, and 3.2.2 could also be checkmarked.

[2:47:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): because when you combine the bylaws with the covenants that are attached,

[2:47:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's a fair amount of forest protection going on here, ecosystem protection.

[2:47:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Whether it's perfect or good enough is not the question.

[2:47:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've addressed them.

[2:47:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I would propose that we put consistent check marks for 3.1.3, 3.1.5, and 3.2.2.

[2:47:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I addressed this to Noosa, and I don't think you disagreed with me.

[2:47:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): exactly i think that's perfect

[2:48:01] Voice 21: thank you yeah that's good okay and um

[2:48:04] Voice 21: i

[2:48:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just made it um so

[2:48:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll move the three point that we omitted the the uh ecosystem checklist by putting check marks

[2:48:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): beside 3.1.3 3.1.5 and 3.242 3

[2:48:24] Voice 9: .1.3 3.1.4

[2:48:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): no five three point one point five point five and three

[2:48:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): point two point two three point two point

[2:48:35] Voice 12: three point one point three

[2:48:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): three point one point five

[2:48:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): and three point two point two okay okay i'd make i'll make that motion because i raised it i think

[2:48:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): is there a second let's get any discussion okay all in favor that passes unanimously um

[2:48:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): i guess the only other question i had we had some submissions about the about the ag policy

[2:48:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): do either of you wish to talk about that that's four

[2:49:12] Voice 10: point one four four point one six is

[2:49:17] Voice 10: and we have increased the setback

[2:49:21] Voice 21: so

[2:49:22] Voice 10: i think you know it's it's it's somewhat subjective

[2:49:27] Voice 10: in terms of the impact in terms of the area that we have set back away so i can't really

[2:49:36] Voice 10: it's not land that's in the alr but it is a bona fide farm for tax purposes which is quite common

[2:49:46] Voice 10: in the islands i think that we have done address the best that we can well

[2:49:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): if that if that's the

[2:49:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): case do you

[2:49:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): think we should be putting a mark beside 4.1.6 if you believe that which is address

[2:50:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): the use of adjacent properties to minimize any adverse impacts on agricultural lands

[2:50:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): we did move the setback back to eight meters

[2:50:10] Voice 21: um i

[2:50:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't know and we don't

[2:50:14] Voice 10: have your your

[2:50:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): call on

[2:50:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): this yeah

[2:50:17] Voice 10: um i think i would just leave it as is you know

[2:50:23] Voice 10: it's uh the land itself it's certainly

[2:50:28] Voice 10: being used for agricultural purposes um but the i i guess i have to sort of look in terms of the

[2:50:36] Voice 10: of the types of agricultural practices and the purpose of this particular policy which in our

[2:50:43] Voice 10: new policy statement probably should be a little more specific maybe

[2:50:46] Trustee Maude: so just because the context

[2:50:50] Trustee Maude: is is the neighbors are in disagreement with that so yeah but that's why you make that that's why

[2:50:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): you make the decision whether you think it is inconsistent i know the neighbors

[2:50:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): but is it okay so you've got a choice of going x and deciding that why you think it's okay

[2:51:09] Voice 16: you

[2:51:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): get a choice of going consistent or you get a choice of saying no we don't think that's

[2:51:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): a little applicable that's really up to the trust

[2:51:16] Voice 21: local trust committee as to what they want to do

[2:51:22] Voice 16: right now it's recommended to be not not applicable and

[2:51:32] Voice 10: that i think we'll tick it so

[2:51:34] Voice 10: I'LL HAVE A MOTION THAT WE AFTER YOUR MOTION WE'LL HAVE TO ADD A NEW MOTION TO SAY THAT WE

[2:51:42] Voice 10: I

[2:51:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): THINK WE ALREADY PASSED MY MOTION

[2:51:44] Voice 10: YEAH WE PASSED YOUR MOTION SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

[2:51:45] Voice 10: ADD THIS ONE

[2:51:46] Voice 16: SO

[2:51:47] Voice 10: I MOVE THAT WE STATE THAT 4.1.6 IS APPLICABLE WHERE DO YOU CONSIST CONSISTENT

[2:52:00] Voice 21: is there a second shift

[2:52:01] Voice 10: and shifted the driveway away yeah

[2:52:03] Trustee Maude: i'm i'm troubled by that

[2:52:06] Voice 21: um well

[2:52:15] Voice 10: we moved the driveway away specifically to reduce impacts so we have done that actually

[2:52:22] Voice 10: we don't actually have setback areas around not in our ocps

[2:52:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've got a lot of fairly lengthy submission related to

[2:52:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): the buffer zones

[2:52:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): right at the traditional buffer zones well and i went

[2:52:48] Voice 21: and read them

[2:52:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it's an interesting discussion but it's really about setting policy in an area

[2:52:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): and going around and examining the area and deciding whether or not you need these zones

[2:53:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): with transition zones between and then deciding whether which properties you should put it in

[2:53:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): which you shouldn't because it's not necessary um and it's not really a policy related in my view

[2:53:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): with all due respect to the writer that's sort of for one-off property uh developments it's about

[2:53:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): about setting a policy in an area that sets out these um uh these as i there are these transition

[2:53:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): zones between agricultural use and urban use um doesn't mean you don't adopt some of the

[2:53:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can't adopt some of the edge planning when you're doing this,

[2:53:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): but that's really what the edge planning process is,

[2:53:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): at least the way I read it, it's about, as opposed to one-offs.

[2:53:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if you go and read, in fact, talks about the fact that you do an overview

[2:54:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): and you ensure that effort is not wasted on areas

[2:54:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): is where there's little possibility of future conflict um it's about identifying areas of

[2:54:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): conflict and i know there's disagreements with the landowners that there might be conflict i'm not

[2:54:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): personally seeing it but that's just me okay okay

[2:54:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i'll uh if i don't know what you want to do

[2:54:24] Trustee Maude: i'm just i'm uncomfortable because i'm not a farmer

[2:54:29] Trustee Maude: of trusty dogs is um but it's just my my reference is the farmer next door who says they have an

[2:54:37] Trustee Maude: issue so it's kind of hard for me to take a box if i'm not satisfied that we're doing the right thing

[2:54:50] Trustee Maude: that's i just i don't i absence of a staff report or something taking a box and something i don't

[2:54:58] Trustee Maude: understand when i've got contrary information bothers me

[2:55:03] Voice 16: okay

[2:55:06] Trustee Maude: because this is beyond my skill

[2:55:08] Trustee Maude: set

[2:55:08] Voice 21: the

[2:55:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): staff came in and recommended not applicable yeah uh

[2:55:15] Trustee Maude: so that's what i mean

[2:55:17] Trustee Maude: so that's that's kind of where if we're talking not applicable okay well okay but now but now

[2:55:25] Trustee Maude: we're changing not applicable we're checking boxing we have done it oh yeah

[2:55:29] Trustee Maude: and i'll be

[2:55:30] Trustee Maude: answer the

[2:55:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): reason the reason that i think that i i think it's important to address these issues

[2:55:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): because i think that we get we get um legitimate question criticism from time to time down the road

[2:55:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): if we check box or put not applicable and someone comes along and says what are you talking about

[2:55:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's not applicable that actually is applicable in this situation and you should have put your

[2:55:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): mind to it we're supposed to put our mind to each of these things and decide whether or not it's

[2:55:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): consistent with the trust policy and that's actually what the executive committee will do

[2:56:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): too when they get this if they get this uh is they'll put their mind to the various sections

[2:56:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): the director of policies and decide whether it's it's applicable first of all and if it is whether

[2:56:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): it um quantifies or not whether whether it uh whether it it is an alignment with the policy

[2:56:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): or not i mean my view has sort of been we did move it back a little bit i'm not personally seeing

[2:56:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): a huge conflict um so but that's just my assessment so and

[2:56:34] Voice 10: i think personally i think

[2:56:35] Voice 10: the policies themselves are flawed i think i

[2:56:39] Voice 10: think i don't know what did i

[2:56:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): see i think i said there

[2:56:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): were 22 agricultural properties on this island or something like that um i mean it might be and i

[2:56:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): know for example denman is doing the whole agricultural lcc is doing an ag policy because

[2:56:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): because they have agricultural issues on their island

[2:56:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they want to set the policy out

[2:56:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): and probably they're addressing this issue

[2:57:02] Voice 6: as

[2:57:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): we speak about how to do the edge planning

[2:57:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): because there's all sorts of interface occurring.

[2:57:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): But

[2:57:08] Voice 10: then we also encourage

[2:57:10] Voice 10: and we have farming activities

[2:57:12] Voice 10: on all sorts of different zones

[2:57:15] Voice 10: and generally small scale farming too.

[2:57:17] Voice 10: So where do we draw the line?

[2:57:19] Voice 10: You got it.

[2:57:22] Voice 10: Anyway, I'll leave the tick mark there.

[2:57:24] Voice 10: So you're

[2:57:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to make the motion? Yeah, I

[2:57:26] Voice 10: made the motion.

[2:57:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll second them for discussion.

[2:57:31] Voice 10: 4.16.

[2:57:34] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:57:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you wish to say anything else, Trustee Mott? Not really, no. Okay. Then it's been moved and seconded. I'll call the vote. All in favor.

[2:57:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): And how are you going to vote?

[2:57:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:57:50] Voice 21: Do you want your name noted on your offer?

[2:57:52] Voice 21: yep

[2:57:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so with that is there anything else related to the um uh trust policy statement

[2:58:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): director checklist there's a motion proposed from the uh from the planner related to this

[2:58:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's on page 17. yep

[2:58:15] Voice 10: so is that that says the main island trust committee has reviewed

[2:58:20] Voice 10: Okay, I move that the Maine Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Island's Trust Policy Statement Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 181, cited as Maine Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 144-2007, Amendment No. 1 for 2020 and Bylaw No. 183, cited as Maine Island Land Use Bylaw No. 156-2008, Amendment No. 1 for 2021,

[2:58:48] Voice 10: are not contrary to or at variance with the island's trust policy statement change

[2:58:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): or seconders

[2:58:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): savage okay any further discussion all in favor that passes you know should

[2:58:58] Voice 21: i have to note that

[2:58:59] Voice 21: it was amended no it wasn't

[2:59:01] Voice 6: no because this is this motion just saying we're saying this is just

[2:59:05] Voice 6: saying we're we're

[2:59:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): passing motion that's not all right

[2:59:09] Voice 21: is there anything

[2:59:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): else related to this uh

[2:59:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): document are we all and we're all set for november the 14th uh

[2:59:16] Voice 6: any comments from other

[2:59:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee related to that we're going to go ahead with public hearing good uh then we'll move on um

[2:59:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've got bylaws no we've got uh yes we've got the main island local trust committee fees by

[2:59:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): law number 185 page 34 of the package okay

[2:59:35] Voice 10: i'm ready for it okay i sent out the center of the

[2:59:40] Voice 10: people get organized and some of them do okay i'm going to move the main island

[2:59:44] Voice 10: local trust committee bylaw number 185 cited as main island local trust

[2:59:48] Voice 10: committee fees bylaw 2021 be given first reading

[2:59:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): second answer okay any discussion

[2:59:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): all in favor that passes move

[2:59:56] Voice 10: that the main local trust committee bylaw number 185

[3:00:00] Voice 10: cited as nana local trust committee fees bylaw 2021 be given the second reading second all in

[3:00:07] Voice 6: favor that passes go ahead move

[3:00:09] Voice 10: that main local trust committee bylaw number 185 cited as main

[3:00:12] Voice 10: on the local trust committee fees bylaw 2021 be given the third reading second is all in favor

[3:00:19] Voice 10: that passes and main local local committee bylaw local trust is missing local trust committee bylaw

[3:00:27] Voice 10: number 185 cited as main island local trust committee fees by law 2021 be forwarded to

[3:00:32] Voice 10: the secretary of the islands trust for approval by the executive committee i'm

[3:00:37] Trustee Maude: not second at all

[3:00:37] Trustee Maude: in favor somebody are you in favor yeah okay

[3:00:40] Voice 10: somebody will be

[3:00:41] Trustee Maude: happy but i encourage you

[3:00:42] Trustee Maude: caught that that typo yeah

[3:00:44] Voice 10: it's a typo that oh it

[3:00:45] Voice 10: says main uh local and mistrust oh

[3:00:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): number four

[3:00:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): number four number four it says it says both local committee since they met for a local trust committee

[3:00:57] Voice 10: there and just

[3:00:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): put the word trust and

[3:01:00] Voice 10: thank you for waiting patiently until the very last minute

[3:01:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): well russ and julia would be very happy

[3:01:06] Voice 10: yeah well i had

[3:01:08] Voice 10: i had one person i

[3:01:09] Voice 6: know that only

[3:01:10] Voice 6: leaves saturn and north penn oh

[3:01:12] Voice 10: that's north

[3:01:13] Voice 10: bender oh well they wanted it i

[3:01:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): know i don't

[3:01:18] Voice 6: know

[3:01:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): why but north better they punted it to the next term uh okay so that's the end of that then

[3:01:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): the next item on the agenda is the bylaws 180 or no sorry 144 and 146 which are here and i'm sorry

[3:01:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): members of the public we don't we don't have that it's there's a

[3:01:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): package here with an addendum

[3:01:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is uh this is an item that we passed uh a few months ago and it's come back from the minister

[3:01:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): or having been

[3:01:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): approved um and so this is

[3:01:50] Trustee Maude: here for adoption so i moved to the main island local

[3:01:52] Trustee Maude: trust committee bylaw number 186 that is main island official community plan file number 144

[3:01:57] Trustee Maude: 2007 amended number 2 2021 be adopted second

[3:02:01] Voice 16: okay

[3:02:02] Trustee Maude: all in favor that passes unanimously

[3:02:04] Trustee Maude: and that the main island local trust committee bylaw number 187 said it's made on the land use

[3:02:10] Trustee Maude: file on number one four six two thousand eight amendment number three twenty twenty one be

[3:02:13] Trustee Maude: so

[3:02:14] Voice 3: the next item

[3:02:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): on the agenda is the top priorities report

[3:02:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): is there anything that uh are you going to wait till next

[3:02:35] Voice 3: week i think we'll wait till

[3:02:36] Voice 3: actually in january yeah and

[3:02:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): sort of set your priorities you do have your flex housing which

[3:02:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): is actually you've already set that put in place what that's going to look like about gathering

[3:02:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): people together to talk about the various

[3:02:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): items so that's great yeah um and unless there's anything

[3:02:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): else related to that or the projects list from either trustee no okay then we have the

[3:02:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): applications report um which is here on page uh 48 is there anything related to that that either

[3:03:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): anybody would like to address no uh we have you look like you're going to go the whole term without

[3:03:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): the whole year without

[3:03:13] Voice 6: spending any money

[3:03:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh and we

[3:03:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): have the adopted policies and standing

[3:03:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): resolutions that will be here for you and now we'll go to the chair's report um and i don't

[3:03:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): have a lot to report just to say that the the um the last committee meeting that was involved in

[3:03:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): was the financial planning committee we're doing some amendments to a few policies related to

[3:03:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): planning particularly around uh around how we utilize the surplus that will come to the next

[3:03:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the next uh trust council sometime probably not in november december probably early in the

[3:03:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the year is something that we've identified we wanted to address is how we use it because we tend

[3:03:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): to use it as a piggy bank and it probably shouldn't be used as a piggy bank it should be used

[3:04:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): in other ways for one-offs etc so that was identified um but there was no budget so you

[3:04:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): won't see a budget and probably until december um you get your first look at a proposed budget

[3:04:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the various groups are pulling together their various asks for their for their uh committees as

[3:04:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): too much to be on the only other thing is i'll just report that um uh that uh uh that um uh

[3:04:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): the trust council's meeting november 17th 18th and 19th that's when the 17th is when

[3:04:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): all the trustees will be sworn in uh that'll be the end of this tour formally this term um

[3:04:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): retire and i'll be done uh i didn't run i'm not going to be around for that so

[3:04:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): this isn't my last meeting on me though you get last kick at me on november 14th

[3:04:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and so on if i share until then and uh but i wouldn't be anything after that and then there

[3:05:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): will have there's a fair amount of orientation going on in the informal basis i know you have

[3:05:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): a thing tomorrow night and there's they're trying to do as much introduction as they possibly can

[3:05:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then the new executive will be elected at least as far as i know on the 19th of november

[3:05:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is the saturday and you're doing that victoria yeah so that's really all i i um have

[3:05:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): to report so over to the trustees so

[3:05:30] Voice 10: i don't think anything like we think that that's been improved

[3:05:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): no because we've been in election mode but we can't look across the way and you can see that

[3:05:40] Trustee Maude: the first story is almost finished so i'll report that so

[3:05:44] Voice 10: that's exciting but they need

[3:05:45] Voice 10: someone to fix the electric furnace

[3:05:47] Trustee Maude: make

[3:05:48] Voice 10: it work

[3:05:49] Trustee Maude: that's david

[3:05:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): right that's easy

[3:05:54] Voice 21: okay

[3:05:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): there are um i counted there's 15 new trustees coming in yes two of whom are former

[3:06:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): former trustees yeah

[3:06:02] Voice 10: so they've been away a long time

[3:06:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): so there's 13 brand new and two that uh one

[3:06:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's been gone for like 25 years and another who's been gone for eight so yeah right

[3:06:15] Voice 21: um so uh

[3:06:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyways very interesting some of the results anyway we have an island's trust Conservancy

[3:06:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): reports anything to report from that uh then our

[3:06:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): next the only there's ready new business from

[3:06:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): either of you then the last item is just to confirm we're here on november 14th solely for

[3:06:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): the public hearing and

[3:06:39] Voice 21: anything

[3:06:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): we decide to do about coming out of this public hearing

[3:06:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh so there's an opportunity here for a few minutes although i have a ferry to catch

[3:06:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): um if anybody wishes to speak and tell oh

[3:06:52] Voice 3: sorry you do need to cancel the november oh sorry yeah

[3:06:56] Voice 16: you did that sorry i

[3:06:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): forgot that what

[3:06:58] Voice 10: was the date for november

[3:06:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): 21st you

[3:07:00] Voice 10: are going to have a vice

[3:07:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): chair i

[3:07:02] Voice 10: move that we uh cancel our regular scheduled november 24th local trust 21st

[3:07:07] Voice 10: 21st

[3:07:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): all in favor i think the plan is to sort of assign sometime during that week they're going to meet

[3:07:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the new

[3:07:18] Voice 21: executive and

[3:07:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): then they'll decide so put your lobbying in once you know

[3:07:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Um, okay. Does anybody wish to speak to us in town hall? Yes, go ahead.

[3:07:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just want to follow up on your discussion about the alignment with the,

[3:07:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh, the farm policy, the, uh, the buffer kind of question.

[3:07:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't think we ever really dealt with it. And, um,

[3:07:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think it's getting pretty late in the process to deal with it,

[3:07:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I really want to just kind of comment on the value of looking at that

[3:07:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): property and having a buffer on each side.

[3:07:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): we designed it to have a popper so there's minimal impact to our neighbors so we've got

[3:08:02] a 15

[3:08:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): meter middle go zone and then our fence starts for the farm part and we've got trees that

[3:08:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): are really a light footprint on them and then the intensive stuff is about 150 to 200 feet

[3:08:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): away from the property line that's that's what we're doing if somebody comes along after us

[3:08:24] and goes intensive along there, there's nothing to stop them from moving right to the property line.

[3:08:29] There's nothing in the covenant to stop the New Island Housing Society from cutting everything

[3:08:35] right to the property line. There's nothing to stop them from putting the road back in because there's no

[3:08:41] covenant that says not to. We're left with an eight meter kind of buffer on the MIHS side that

[3:08:48] I think is inadequate and one of the values

[3:08:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): of doing that edge timing in my opinion is especially

[3:08:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): on a non-ALR piece of land that you can broker a deal between the property owners you have a lot

[3:09:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): more leverage and you can start to codify an offer there that's going to work as in my chest

[3:09:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): says in perpetuity I want to be able to control that interface from now until whenever and I think

[3:09:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's a discussion that could have been had here to explore those possibilities one of the

[3:09:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): wins in this quite frankly for us would have been a covenant that secures a buffer along both sides

[3:09:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): that is going to be a forested kind of area that will stay forested forever and that's the kind of

[3:09:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): brokering i thought could happen here and and that would be a win for both property owners

[3:09:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): us and future property owners and so i was hoping that we'd have more of that discussion i think

[3:09:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's going to be more and more of an issue as we start to see the density build up on on even this

[3:09:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): island and you can already see on cortez they're doing some really interesting things on farm

[3:10:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): properties where they're kind of doing that flex housing thing on a farm property because you have

[3:10:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): more options to put density on a non-ALR piece of property and in return for that

[3:10:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): some landowners are giving up wildlife zones and so on and what that does then is it allows

[3:10:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): young farm families to pool their resources together and they can all build on the farm

[3:10:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): property and the neighborhood gets some security around some of the more valuable ecological assets

[3:10:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): on that property so it's the thing you can't do on the LR but you can do on a rural zone piece

[3:10:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): property make those kinds of deals so I think that whole farm issue on a rural property is a

[3:10:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): an opportunity to think creatively about how do we get people farming on these islands again and

[3:10:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): how do we get some security there that works for the farm families and the neighbors so

[3:11:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): i would be interested in that kind of discussion this is the time for it but i don't think the

[3:11:05] question for us was ever fully addressed and i don't think that's very fair to us because

[3:11:12] and i

[3:11:15] Voice 10: think it is it's an interesting conversation to have in the next term in terms of planning

[3:11:22] Voice 10: long-term for agriculture here as i said i think what's in our old trust policy statement doesn't

[3:11:28] Voice 10: really address to me agriculture as it happens here which is very small scale in general and

[3:11:35] Voice 10: i've never heard that i've been a bona fide farmer for like 45 years i've never heard of

[3:11:40] Voice 10: of the buffer area at all so it was new to me and it was difficult right at this late late state of

[3:11:47] Voice 10: the game to kind of have a real conversation about that i understand you're not happy with

[3:11:52] Voice 10: that is the setback or and I'll be asking later whether or not we make sure that we protect that

[3:11:58] Voice 10: setback as a non-development area which is how I assume that that 25 foot setback would remain

[3:12:04] Voice 10: undeveloped so we can talk about that in the public hearing yeah anything

[3:12:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): else from anybody

[3:12:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): then I'll oh yes

[3:12:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): sort of going well

[3:12:17] Voice 14: it's just and i'm just doing this and i'm thinking that say a new owner made

[3:12:27] Voice 14: rebecca and um

[3:12:39] Voice 21: so that's

[3:12:41] Voice 10: why we need to talk about agriculture and because we allow it outright in our rules

[3:12:45] Voice 10: so we probably need which in our rural zone can be quite a small lot and as we reaching build out

[3:12:52] Voice 10: we are at build out we are seeing more and more getting far more people phoning and emailing and

[3:12:57] Voice 10: complaining about what their neighbors are doing yes very much so so

[3:13:01] Voice 21: it is a

[3:13:01] Voice 10: good conversation to

[3:13:02] Voice 10: have because it's you know eat when all you're doing is is planting crops in the ground but if

[3:13:08] Voice 10: you're raising animals or if you you know if you're doing intense farming you know mowing and

[3:13:14] Voice 10: And baling hay is noisy.

[3:13:16] Voice 10: All sorts of stuff goes on on farms that can be quite disruptive.

[3:13:19] Voice 10: And at this point, you can be all the village bay.

[3:13:23] Voice 10: All those lots are actually in the ALR along Wooddale.

[3:13:26] Voice 10: You could be doing some pretty intensive farming and the right to farm will let you do it.

[3:13:30] Voice 10: So there's lots of conflicts.

[3:13:32] Voice 10: And here we've never really, because it's never come up before, but I think it's a good time to have a conversation about, you know, just what setbacks should be, what kind of farming.

[3:13:41] Voice 10: issue and water water use is going to be a huge issue um in terms of people irrigating etc and

[3:13:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): here we are willing partners thinking about that we want to secure that buffer well

[3:13:55] Voice 10: i don't think

[3:13:56] Voice 10: i've never heard of the buffer so when i sent

[3:13:58] Voice 10: it over to barbara johnson on tender and i said

[3:14:01] Voice 10: i've never heard of this what do you think so it's a conversation that probably other islands

[3:14:05] Voice 10: can have too about about that

[3:14:07] Voice 10: idea I and

[3:14:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's OCTs that are adopting those guidelines probably

[3:14:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you're if you do decide next term to take this up as a project you probably

[3:14:16] Voice 16: want to see what the

[3:14:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): work they were doing on Denman because they've

[3:14:18] Voice 16: been at it for a long time

[3:14:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I don't know what

[3:14:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): it looks like but they might it might include some of this conceptual stuff yes upper

[3:14:28] Voice 4: zones are not

[3:14:29] Voice 4: not unusual in the organic farming system.

[3:14:32] Voice 4: In fact, when a farm is adjacent to

[3:14:38] Voice 4: agricultural operation that's using heavy spraying

[3:14:42] Voice 4: or questionable practices in terms of maintenance

[3:14:48] Voice 4: of an organic standard, buffer zones are required.

[3:14:53] Voice 4: But those buffer zones are at the expense

[3:14:57] Voice 4: of the organic farmer they're not

[3:14:59] Voice 4: expected at the expense of the farm or the property

[3:15:02] Voice 4: the neighboring who

[3:15:04] Voice 10: regulates like who makes who regulates the organic

[3:15:07] Voice 10: okay

[3:15:08] Voice 4: so it

[3:15:09] Voice 4: forces you to certification process and there's a neighboring farm there has to be

[3:15:15] Voice 4: a buffer zone that crop can be grown but it can't be marketed

[3:15:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): so yeah and age planning is a different

[3:15:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): concept again i expect but it's not just a buffer it's about creating an area where you

[3:15:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): set the set the requirements on either side of the property boundary so you don't

[3:15:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): have roads

[3:15:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): in an urban area coming in and embodying against the against the agricultural land and you don't

[3:15:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): have the agriculture coming right up to the property line and

[3:15:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's but it's as i understand

[3:15:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): it it's a bigger concept where you sit down and talk about all of these issues and identify the

[3:15:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): areas in europe it makes total sense if you if you're having an inter at an urban agricultural

[3:15:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): interface which we very much will have yes anything else thank you very much for the

[3:16:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): interesting conversation i'm sorry i'm going to miss it yeah

[3:16:09] Voice 16: yeah yeah yeah

[3:16:11] Voice 16: thanks very much

[3:16:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): everybody we're going to adjourn uh and thanks for the wonderful one attendee we

[3:16:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): still out here and we're going to end the meeting now thanks very much

[3:16:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i think robin is still there

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Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
October 24, 2022 
Mayne Island Agricultural Hall 
430 Fernhill Road, Mayne Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Dan Rogers, Chair 
 Jeanine Dodds, Trustee 
 David Maude, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
Charly Caproff. Planning Technician 
 Pat Todd, Recorder 
There were approximately twenty-nine (29) members of the public in attendance and on Zoom. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Rogers called the meeting to order at 1:05 pm. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 Add:  Item 11.2 Bylaws No. 186 and 187 for adoption 
 By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS - None 
4. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
4.1 MA-RZ-2020.1 MIHS (Mayne Island Housing Society) 
Planner Chadwick reviewed the bylaws related to the rezoning for up to ten units of 
multi-family rental housing and the creation of an additional lot, the Sec. 219 Covenant 
and the Housing Agreement.  Next steps were identified.   
Deborah Goldman (MIHS) expressed appreciation for the opportunity to discuss the 
project with community members.  She reviewed the Society’s efforts to date and noted 
that all reports and documents are available on the MIHS website in addition to the 
Islands Trust website. MIHS provided a presentation including the following presenters: 
Eleni Gibson, Wiser Projects  
 Identified need for affordable housing; 
 Reviewed affordability formula and tenant criteria; 
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 Identified how project confirms with Official Community Plan (OCP; and  
 Identified the land donation as an amenity. 
Al Kohut, Hydrologist 
 Reviewed Groundwater report; 
 Spoke to water supply including number of wells and springs within area and 
groundwater discharge area; and 
 Identified that the well on the property is very productive and capable of 
meeting projected demands. 
Karl Williams, Engineer 
 Detailed site plan, driveway, and Water Management Plan; 
 Spoke to the need for a storm water plan to match pre-development conditions; 
and 
 MIHS plan was done pre-emotively: need to redesign based on final design. 
Keith Erickson, Biologist 
 Reviewed Ecological assessment of site; and 
 Provided an overview of report:  mapping and recommendations to minimize 
impact of construction/project. 
David Brown, MIHS 
 Spoke to Wet Lands Restoration Report; and 
 Remediation steps are noted in Sec. 219 Covenant. 
Eleni Gibson reviewed the site planning – MIHS has integrated recommendations from 
reports and consultants.  Next steps:  funding applications, subdivision and approvals 
from various agencies.  MIHS is looking for collaborative solutions for concerns raised 
regarding project. 
Tim Mackie questioned the Covenant regarding vague terminology and requested 
details be more specific and actions measurable. 
Planner Chadwick referred to Schedule B of the Covenant which outlines very specific 
actions. 
Nikko Preston detailed concerns regarding storm water run-off and requested a plan be 
in place before project moves forward.   
Karl Williams noted that a storm water plan would likely be required for Subdivision 
application. The Society is not liable for water from an offsite location.   
Deb Foote, referring to the Wetland Restoration questioned the impact on the aquifer 
and recharge. 
Karl Williams stated there has been a site-specific examination that determined that 
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Lise McLeod questioned fencing property as part of the restoration efforts. She 
identified that fallow deer is pervasive on site. 
Response - fencing only increases problems with deer as else where fencing would be 
required initially to allow restoration to become established. 
Tim Mackie asked if costs would be lower if smaller foot print and noted site plan has 
changed since initial environmental report. 
Karl Williams stated changes are in accordance with recommendations and only 
significant change is location of driveway.  While an apartment building would be 
cheaper to build the goal is to design the project in a way that is more consistent with 
rural character. 
Nikko Preston questioned location of septic field, Waste Water Management and 
funding for restoration. 
Septic field is primarily on Lot 3 with an easement on Lot 2.  Restoration, to be funded 
by MIHA, will be to a state where area can be self-rejuvenating. Chair Rogers stated that 
further questions could be directed to Planner Chadwick or the MIHS.   
 _______________________________ Break 3:28 to 3:40 pm._______________________ 
5. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated September 26, 2022 
The following amendment to the minutes was presented for consideration: 
Page 2 – Paragraph beginning with Trustee Dodds:  First line – change “direction” to 
“advice” 
By general consent the minutes were adopted as amended. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report Dated Oct 2022 
  Received for information. 
 6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - None 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Oct 2022 
  Received for information. 
  Letter will be going out s to Conservancy soon. 
8. DELEGATIONS – None 
  

 
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9. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
9.1 Islands Trust Conservancy Response re Fallow Deer Issue 
General discussion expressing disappointment with Islands Trust Conservancy not 
directly addressing the fallow deer problem. 
Trustees requested item be carried forward to next meeting agenda.   
10. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
10.1 MOTI Referral 
Planner Chadwick presented a MOTI application for referral. The proposal is to close and 
amalgamate the undeveloped road right-of-way adjacent to 493 Felix Jack Road (Mayne 
Island Community Centre) with the property at 493 Felix Jack Road.  This would create a 
split zone lot. 
 MA-2022-097 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to notify Ministry of 
Transportation and Infrastructure of endorsement of the application.  
 
CARRIED 
10.2 MA-RZ-2020.1 (Mayne Island Housing Society)  
  Planner Chadwick reviewed actions to date. 
  Trustee Maude, in reference to Schedule B, spoke to changing wording of  
recommendations so actions are more specific. 
 
 MA-2022-098 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff title Schedule B 
“Requirements for the Remediation and Preservation” of Lot 2 and Lot 3. 
 
CARRIED 
 
MA-2022-099 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to amend Schedule B 
as follows:  1d) to read “Consult with a certified...”; 1i) to read “Consult with a 
professional hydrologist or wet land specialist...”; 2a) first sentence to read 
“...no longer needed should be restored to a forested wetland which may 
involve a technique known...”. 
CARRIED 

 
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MA-2022-100 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to reformat Schedule 
B to identify 1i), 1j), 1k), 1l), 1m) and 1n) as bullets. 
CARRIED 
 
MA-2022-101 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Islands Local Trust Committee endorse the draft Section 219 
Covenant, as amended, associated with MA-RZ-2020.1 (MIHS). 
   CARRIED 
   MA-2022-102 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to amend Policies for 
Ecosystem Preservation and Protection to indicate 3.1.3., 3.1.5, and 3.2.2 of the 
Islands Trust Policy Statement Directives Only Checklist as consistent. 
CARRIED 
MA-2022-103 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to amend Policies for 
the Stewardship of Resources of the Islands Trust Policy Statement Directives 
Only Checklist to indicate 4.1.6 as consistent. 
 
CARRIED 2/1 (Trustee Maude) 
MA-2022-104 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Islands Trust 
Policy Statement Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 181, 
cited as 'Mayne Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 144, 2007, 
Amendment No. 1, 2021' and Bylaw No. 183, cited as 'Mayne Island Land Use 
Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021' are not contrary to or at variance 
with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.   
CARRIED 
  

 
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11. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
11.1 Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw No. 185 
MA-2022-105 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 185, cited as “Mayne 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be given First Reading. 
CARRIED 
MA-2022-106 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 185, cited as “Mayne 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be given Second Reading. 
CARRIED 
MA-2022-107 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 185, cited as “Mayne 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be given Third Reading. 
 CARRIED 
MA-2022-108 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Committee Bylaw No. 185, cited as “Mayne Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be forwarded to the Secretary of the 
Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
 CARRIED 
 11.2 Bylaws No. 186 and 187 
   MA-2022-109 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committer Bylaw No. 186 cited as “Mayne 
Island Official Plan Bylaw No. 144, 2007”, be adopted. 
   CARRIED 
   MA-2022-110 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 187 cited as “Mayne 
Island Land Use Bylaw No.146, 2008, Amendment No. 3, 2021, be adopted. 
 
CARRIED 
  

 
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12. REPORTS 
12.1 Work Program Reports  
12.1.1 Top Priorities Report Dated Oct 2022 
   Received for Information. 
12.1.2 Projects List Report Dated Oct 2022 
   Received for information. 
12.2 Applications Report Dated Oct 2022  
  Received for information. 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Aug 2022 
  Received for information. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions  
  Received for information. 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  Will be updated upon conclusion of meeting. 
12.6 Chair's Report 
Chair Rogers spoke to the Financial Planning Committee which is reviewing how best to 
utilize surplus.  Trust Council is scheduled for November 17-19
th
.  Elected Trustees will 
be sworn in and there will be an orientation.  Islands Trust Executive will be elected on 
the 19
th
. 
12.7 Trustee Report 
  Trustee Dodds reported a quiet month – community waiting till after election.  
  Trustee Maude stated Thrift Store renovations are nearing completion. 
12.8 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated July 2022 
  Received for information. 
13. NEW BUSINESS – None 
  

 
Mayne Local Trust Committee 
Regular / CIM Meeting Minutes 
October 24, 2022 ADOPTED Page 8 of 8 
 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Meeting scheduled for November 14, 2022 at the Agricultural Hall, Mayne Island. 
   MA-2022-111 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee scheduled meeting for November 
21, 2022 be cancelled. 
CARRIED 
15. TOWN HALL  
Tim Mackie questioned lack of discussion regarding Farm Policy – Buffer zone.  This will become 
more of an issue as density increases.  Would like to see this topic fairly discussed – security for 
farm families. 
Trustee Dodds stated that this next LTC term would be a good time for discussion – planning for 
a future agriculture review.  Denman Island has been looking at this.  Issue of setbacks can be 
raised at the Public Hearing for MIHS project (November 14, 2022). 
Deb Foote added that organic farms require buffers. 
 
16. CLOSED MEETING 
None 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:32 pm. 
 
 
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Dan Rogers, Chair 
 
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Certified Correct: 
Pat Todd, Recorder