Islands Trust Council community information meeting, December 6, 2022

[0:00:25] Voice 8: okay

[0:00:25] Voice 21: well uh trustees i see a number of you are out there only a few with your video cameras on

[0:00:31] Voice 21: so um let's we'll turn our cameras on and uh welcome back hope that uh your dinners were

[0:00:40] Voice 21: excellent um and that you're uh rested a little bit so um just greetings to everybody out there

[0:00:50] Voice 21: streaming world and perhaps watching recordings after the meeting this is the december 6th to 8

[0:00:58] Voice 21: trust council meeting the evening session for delegations and public comment um i think we

[0:01:11] Voice 21: will begin um want to recognize and acknowledge that we're meeting on broadly across coast salish

[0:01:18] Voice 21: territory up and down the Gulf Islands and today this evening Peter Luckum is my name by the way

[0:01:26] Voice 21: the chair of trust council glad to have been re-elected to that role and I am here in Ligonquin

[0:01:33] Voice 21: speaking territory in Victoria with staff and trustee Yates has joined us here as well and

[0:01:42] Voice 21: And I think we'll begin.

[0:01:46] Voice 21: So we have four delegations this evening.

[0:01:51] Voice 21: 7.4 was added later, trustees,

[0:01:54] Voice 21: so you might not see that on your printed agenda.

[0:01:57] Voice 21: But we have David Donison at 7.1,

[0:02:01] Voice 21: Mille Chandler at 7.2,

[0:02:03] Voice 21: Mary Beth Rondeau at 7.3,

[0:02:05] Voice 21: and Michael Sketch at 7.4.

[0:02:08] Voice 21: Delegates are offered 10 minutes

[0:02:10] Voice 21: to provide their presentation,

[0:02:12] Voice 21: and some of them have PowerPoints and slideshows

[0:02:15] Voice 21: and that kind of thing.

[0:02:16] Voice 21: And so after that,

[0:02:18] Voice 21: we will go into the public comment period or town hall

[0:02:21] Voice 21: and see who's in the audience

[0:02:23] Voice 21: who wishes to address council today.

[0:02:26] Voice 21: So just say to the delegates

[0:02:29] Voice 21: and the town hall folks, people,

[0:02:35] Voice 21: that I ask you to be respectful of council,

[0:02:39] Voice 21: our friends and families at home

[0:02:41] Voice 21: and each other with respect to your remarks talk about the issues not about individuals and

[0:02:50] Voice 21: and then of course all of the activity and actions that staff conduct is as a result of

[0:02:57] Voice 21: the work of trust council and the policies of trust council so indeed you can certainly

[0:03:02] Voice 21: address trust council and council's policies for things that you might be concerned about

[0:03:09] Voice 21: And so let us begin. David Dennison, I think you're online there. We're going to promote you to a participant, and you've got a slideshow, and you have 10 minutes, sir, so please.

[0:03:24] Voice 17: Thank you. Thank you, Chair Luckin, and thank you, trustees. It's a privilege to be on the agenda today, and it's exciting to present at this first meeting of your new term.

[0:03:35] Voice 17: My presentation today evaluates what I've dubbed the Islands Trust carbon storage myth

[0:03:39] Voice 17: and does include some math calculations. Even so, I promise to avoid any use of calculus, algebra,

[0:03:46] Voice 17: or simultaneous equations. No slide rules, calculators, or computer spreadsheets will

[0:03:51] Voice 17: be harmed by today's presentation. All joking aside, let's dig into this. Next slide, please.

[0:04:01] Voice 17: As background, in 2014, the Islands Trust Conservancy, then known as the Islands Trust

[0:04:06] Voice 17: Trust Fund, contracted a UBC grad student

[0:04:09] Voice 17: for an internal project about carbon storage.

[0:04:11] Voice 17: As noted on this slide, this was not a research project.

[0:04:15] Voice 17: It was not independent research.

[0:04:17] Voice 17: There were no actual measurements nor any confirming

[0:04:20] Voice 17: field data taken.

[0:04:21] Voice 17: It was not peer reviewed nor published

[0:04:23] Voice 17: in a scientific journal.

[0:04:24] Voice 17: There were no UBC researchers involved.

[0:04:27] Voice 17: And there was no comparative assessment of any non-CDF areas,

[0:04:31] Voice 17: not even as an experimental control.

[0:04:34] Voice 17: Next slide, please.

[0:04:38] Voice 17: The author has not claimed otherwise. The individual who did this work clearly acknowledges

[0:04:43] Voice 17: that he operated as a contractor to the Islands Trust and has not claimed that he conducted any

[0:04:48] Voice 17: sort of research activity nor that he was on staff as a UBC researcher at the time.

[0:04:54] Voice 17: Next slide please. This 2014 report made a number of quite startling claims about the

[0:05:01] Voice 17: forests in the Islands Trust area. These claims included that as compared to the non-Islands Trust

[0:05:07] Voice 17: trust area, the island's trust area has almost twice as much standing carbon and was more than

[0:05:13] Voice 17: 40% better at storing carbon. Next slide, please. If the claims in the original report weren't

[0:05:23] Voice 17: amazing enough, they become even more incredible over time. Somehow, the authorship has expanded

[0:05:29] Voice 17: and it has been claimed that the report involved a number of UBC researchers. The small island's

[0:05:35] Voice 17: Trust area, one in which we're often told is so small that it's rare in BC, is now apparently

[0:05:41] Voice 17: able to be a major carbon sink for the entire province. Not only that, these are now allegedly

[0:05:47] Voice 17: the best carbon storage lands in BC, in Canada, and by extension, perhaps even the world.

[0:05:53] Voice 17: Next slide, please. This alleged carbon

[0:06:02] Voice 17: storage capacity has become a foundational element in

[0:06:06] Voice 17: development of the island trust's new draft policy statement as you can see here next slide please

[0:06:15] Voice 17: comparative carbon storage has also been front and center in lobbyist campaigns

[0:06:19] Voice 17: echoing the claims from the original report such as the claims you can see here from environmental

[0:06:24] Voice 17: advocate raincoast conservation foundation and registered lobbyist environmental law center

[0:06:29] Voice 17: who's situated in victoria next slide please for some reason however the original report does not

[0:06:39] Voice 17: compare apples to apples. Instead of comparing actual forested area to actual forested area,

[0:06:44] Voice 17: the report tries to normalize standing carbon and storage potential by dividing the amounts

[0:06:50] Voice 17: by the total land area of the two regions. And this is the case even when we know one region

[0:06:55] Voice 17: has had far more human disturbance than the other. In the case of the non-islands trust area,

[0:07:01] Voice 17: that means unfairly allocating standing carbon and storage potential to the runways of Victoria

[0:07:07] Voice 17: International Airport and to the million square feet of retail space in Nanaimo's Woodgrove Mall,

[0:07:12] Voice 17: among many other man-made alterations to the landscape. Next slide, please. The actual

[0:07:20] Voice 17: relationship for standing carbon and storage potential should leap out at the reader from

[0:07:24] Voice 17: table one in the original report itself. The amount of standing carbon in the non-islands

[0:07:30] Voice 17: trust area is higher, as you can see in the table here. In terms of standing carbon, the report

[0:07:36] Voice 17: report reveals, the non-island's trust area is more important because it has more standing carbon.

[0:07:43] Voice 17: In addition, the carbon storage potential in the non-island's trust area is much higher. As the

[0:07:49] Voice 17: storage potential is much bigger, it follows that the non-island's trust area is much more important.

[0:07:56] Voice 17: The relationship between carbon sequestration in the two areas is actually that simple,

[0:08:01] Voice 17: and we don't have to do any math at all to recognize this. But let's go ahead and let's do

[0:08:06] Voice 17: do some math. So next slide, please. According to the figures in the report, and in contrast to

[0:08:13] Voice 17: what it states in the text, the non-islands trust area sequesters 41% more carbon annually.

[0:08:22] Voice 17: In addition, proportional to the total carbon stored, the non-islands trust area sequesters

[0:08:27] Voice 17: carbon at a rate that is 27% higher than it is in the islands trust area. Next slide, please.

[0:08:35] Voice 17: The promotion of the false narrative is not restricted to just a couple of places or a

[0:08:42] Voice 17: couple of mentions in Islands Trust materials. This expanding untruth has been played up

[0:08:47] Voice 17: extensively throughout Islands Trust literature, including in official compliance documents.

[0:08:52] Voice 17: This slide provides just a few examples of these many Islands Trust statements.

[0:08:56] Voice 17: Next slide, please. Again, there are many statements we can find throughout the Islands

[0:09:03] Voice 17: Trust materials. Next slide. For all of this emphasis, it's even more surprising that there

[0:09:11] Voice 17: has been no other confirming study utilized by the Islands Trust. No independent research,

[0:09:16] Voice 17: no other source, nothing at all to back up the claims based on the original in-house project

[0:09:22] Voice 17: done back in 2014. And the Islands Trust itself is clear on this, as we can see this point is

[0:09:27] Voice 17: confirmed in the 2019 State of the Islands Report. The only source of information that the Islands

[0:09:34] Voice 17: Trust relies upon is this singular 2014 project. Next slide, please. Given the importance of carbon

[0:09:43] Voice 17: storage under climate change, however, it should not come as a surprise that there are, in fact,

[0:09:48] Voice 17: other sources of information and that there has been other research conducted. This particular

[0:09:53] Voice 17: study underscored how the CDF does not have the highest carbon hotspot density in BC,

[0:09:59] Voice 17: or hotspot density as a reflection of storage capability.

[0:10:03] Voice 17: Next slide, please.

[0:10:07] Voice 17: And when we consider how important the CDF is to the province as a whole,

[0:10:12] Voice 17: we find that rather than having the potential to act as a major carbon sink for the province,

[0:10:17] Voice 17: the CDF is insignificant with respect to virtually all other zones.

[0:10:23] Voice 17: Next slide, please.

[0:10:26] Voice 17: We can look directly at the provincial data on forest productivity.

[0:10:30] Voice 17: productivity. This data set reveals that the CDF, and within the CDF, the Islands Trust in particular,

[0:10:36] Voice 17: has some of the lowest productivity in the region. Now, please note, this information is from the

[0:10:42] Voice 17: exact same fundamental database that was used in the 2014 Islands Trust Conservancy Project.

[0:10:48] Voice 17: It's a lot easier to get this nice map out of it now, but it is effectively the same database.

[0:10:52] Voice 17: So the underlying data used for that 2014 report confirms that the non-Islands Trust area,

[0:10:58] Voice 17: especially the various river valleys that you can see in the dark green, is superior in terms of

[0:11:03] Voice 17: carbon storage capability.

[0:11:05] Voice 16: Next slide, please. There's a fantastic

[0:11:11] Voice 17: recent study that determined

[0:11:13] Voice 17: that CDF carbon storage is fundamentally limited by available moisture. Now, two of the authors

[0:11:19] Voice 17: of this study were classmates of mine, and you might notice that I've highlighted Suzanne Simard.

[0:11:23] Voice 17: She is one of those two classmates. Next slide, please. Yes, that Suzanne Simard was one of the

[0:11:32] Voice 17: authors and this research paper is actually the first to be produced from her mother tree project

[0:11:37] Voice 17: and this study is cited in her book I guess you can see it there but here we have it here

[0:11:43] Voice 17: based upon what we've learned about Suzanne it is a safe bet that she did some rigorous research

[0:11:50] Voice 17: among other things Suzanne and her team dug soil pits to a one meter depth throughout their

[0:11:56] Voice 17: research area in this case that was for trees that were only two years old now I find that point

[0:12:01] Voice 17: interesting and possibly relevant to us here in the CDF, and particularly on the subject of carbon

[0:12:07] Voice 17: storage. There were no soil pits dug for the Island Trust's funded project in 2014. The soil

[0:12:15] Voice 17: pits had been dug. There's an 80% chance that those soil pits would not have reached one meter

[0:12:19] Voice 17: in depth due to the shallow soils in the Island's Trust area. By contrast, in the non-Island's Trust

[0:12:25] Voice 17: area, there is a 68% likelihood of reaching at least one meter in depth, given how deep the

[0:12:30] Voice 17: non-island trust soils are. Non-island trust soils are deeper. Next slide, please. Thank you for your

[0:12:38] Voice 17: time today. We live in a beautiful place that is worthy of our caring and nurturing. It's also

[0:12:44] Voice 17: important to that caring and nurturing to make sure we're basing decisions on carefully researched

[0:12:49] Voice 17: facts. Having invested a considerable amount of time reviewing and analyzing this issue,

[0:12:54] Voice 17: I'd be more than happy to share this work with IT staff. I hope we can work together on this,

[0:12:59] Voice 17: and I thank you very much for your time and again it's very exciting to be part of your

[0:13:04] Voice 17: first meeting of your of your new term thank you well

[0:13:10] Voice 21: thank you David for being with us here today

[0:13:12] Voice 21: and sharing your research and I'll just ask if there's any questions from any trustees for you

[0:13:21] Voice 21: I see Mary Boland's hand is on.

[0:13:27] Voice 14: Hi.

[0:13:29] Voice 14: Thank you, Chair, and thank you, David.

[0:13:34] Voice 14: I was really interested in this, and I contacted you, David,

[0:13:38] Voice 14: and thank you for answering my questions,

[0:13:41] Voice 14: and thank you for providing your own carefully researched questions

[0:13:45] Voice 14: and answers, which really helped to, you know,

[0:13:50] Voice 14: widen the discussion and answer.

[0:13:53] Voice 14: So what I think I'm hearing from you that the bottom line is that any one tree in the non-IT area is better than an island's trust tree at storing carbon.

[0:14:07] Voice 14: carbon and so the the 2014 study numbers where they it claims that eight you know the islands

[0:14:17] Voice 14: that the trust area is 82 percent better is you know fundamentally flawed and what do you think

[0:14:26] Voice 14: the islands trust should do about that i think it was question number three in your own um pre-prepared

[0:14:33] Voice 14: questions and answers thank you okay

[0:14:37] Voice 17: well thank you my raid um so firstly i can't uh i can't claim

[0:14:43] Voice 17: that any one tree is better um an awful lot of trees out there uh anecdotally i've identified

[0:14:50] Voice 17: one of the biggest trees in the province which is right here on salt spring so from an any one tree

[0:14:55] Voice 17: basis we might not be uh there's a variation um but uh the data is pretty conclusive uh both

[0:15:05] Voice 17: both in terms of the TEM database, the terrestrial ecosystem mapping,

[0:15:09] Voice 17: and in terms of the soil characteristics between the two regions.

[0:15:15] Voice 17: And if we look at the actual data that's, as I said, that's in that original report,

[0:15:23] Voice 17: I think that the data that's in there is conclusive with respect to indicating a non-island trust area is superior.

[0:15:30] Voice 17: In terms of what the Islands Trust can or should do, you know, I strongly recommend a reconsideration of that report, and it may be necessary, and I'm very happy to share spreadsheets and other data with IT staff as may be required.

[0:15:50] Voice 17: required. But it may be necessary to have some sort of retraction or cover statement put on that

[0:15:57] Voice 17: report and perhaps review things like the compliance statements on carbon credits and

[0:16:04] Voice 17: what have you. I hope that answers your question.

[0:16:08] Voice 21: Thank you. Devin, do you have a question?

[0:16:12] Voice 13: Thank you. I think I'm a little bit confused on the message. I do hear your critique of the report

[0:16:19] Voice 13: and that's super helpful. Thank you for all the details. But can you just clarify, it seems like

[0:16:25] Voice 13: you're comparing the Islands Trust Area and the non-Islands Trust Area in terms of their carbon

[0:16:32] Voice 13: sequestration capacity, but we don't manage the non-Islands Trust Area. So just from the terms

[0:16:40] Voice 13: of the Islands Trust Area, is there benefit in your mind to protecting forests?

[0:16:47] Voice 17: Well, absolutely.

[0:16:48] Voice 17: Absolutely. I just donated a bunch of money to protect the forest locally.

[0:16:55] Voice 17: I don't see any controversy in that statement. I'd like to see more.

[0:17:02] Voice 17: But at the same time, I come from the corporate world.

[0:17:08] Voice 17: I've been an officer of a reporting issuer.

[0:17:13] Voice 17: And when we're raising money for projects under the laws of the country, in fact, you know, we have to be careful about the kinds of assertions we're making. And I would suggest, particularly for government, you know, it's critical that maintaining trust is what it's all about. I hope that answers your question, Deb.

[0:17:37] Voice 21: Thank you, Dan, for the question and the answer, David. I see Dag Falk and Joe Bernardo.

[0:17:46] Voice 19: Yes. Hi, David. Thanks for your presentation. So what I understand is that the case you're

[0:17:53] Voice 19: making is that there's fairly big inaccuracies in this report. But I'm wondering if you could,

[0:18:01] Voice 19: and you maybe have already touched on some of this in your other answers, but

[0:18:05] Voice 19: but what's the main concern you have about these inaccuracies

[0:18:10] Voice 19: and the way that the trust has used that report

[0:18:16] Voice 19: and what are the corrections that you see need to happen?

[0:18:23] Voice 16: So, well, I'm

[0:18:27] Voice 17: trained to be leery of promoting things on false premise.

[0:18:31] Voice 17: us so so as uh you know indicated with deb that you know where where the trust and the conservancy

[0:18:40] Voice 17: in particular is raising money or asking for covenants and what have you you know it's it's

[0:18:45] Voice 17: it's thin ice uh when those assertions can't be supported um uh and and secondly or perhaps even

[0:18:55] Voice 17: more importantly you're walking around and you know looking at the forest here and other forests

[0:19:01] Voice 17: you know it gets hard to reconcile but you know this is a nice forest but it is not the most

[0:19:07] Voice 17: productive forest in the province and i don't understand why we try and do that and it erodes

[0:19:12] Voice 17: trust uh personally i i find that erodes trust i i want to trust what the trust is telling me

[0:19:19] Voice 17: and i want to know that uh you know our government is is not building its castle on sand i you know

[0:19:25] Voice 17: that um if the fundamental rationale is unsound then where are we going with it is that is that

[0:19:35] Voice 17: fair yeah yeah

[0:19:37] Voice 17: thank you uh

[0:19:40] Voice 21: joe bernardo and then i have sam borswick thank

[0:19:46] Trustee Bernardo: you um thank you for

[0:19:49] Trustee Bernardo: your uh submission mr dennison um i understand you i just want to be clear i understand something

[0:19:55] Trustee Bernardo: here i understand you'd be saying something pretty straightforward which is um that the islands trust

[0:20:01] Trustee Bernardo: is basically making scientific claims in some of its public representations and statements

[0:20:09] Trustee Bernardo: that just aren't true are in fact falsified by high quality academic studies and by virtue of

[0:20:17] Trustee Bernardo: that the islands trust is uh in some circumstances potentially raising funds under false premises or

[0:20:26] Trustee Bernardo: or pretenses. Is that the rest of what you're saying?

[0:20:30] Voice 17: So without further research, I think that

[0:20:34] Voice 17: holds true. Now, if somebody were to go do a project and came back and said, look, we've done

[0:20:39] Voice 17: the research, we dug soil pits, we've taken a look at all the roots and all the mycorrhizae and all

[0:20:45] Voice 17: the trees, and guess what? There is substance to these claims. But looking at the data in the

[0:20:54] Voice 17: the report, looking at the TEM database, looking at the soil structures we have, I think that what

[0:21:00] Voice 17: we know suggests that we're heading in a direction that, yes, it's probably not true.

[0:21:09] Voice 17: And that's based

[0:21:10] Trustee Bernardo: on the science, that's based on what you consider to be

[0:21:12] Trustee Bernardo: reliable science that is available today. Without prejudging, future studies could disclose.

[0:21:20] Trustee Bernardo: closed exactly

[0:21:21] Voice 17: based on the best available data we have today which is pretty good we have really

[0:21:25] Voice 17: good data this is what it is and

[0:21:28] Trustee Bernardo: i have i have i got the risk that you believe you've identified

[0:21:30] Trustee Bernardo: if i've got that correctly i mean it's kind of a i'm trying to put it in plain language because

[0:21:35] Trustee Bernardo: um it's uh it's an if it's an important claim that you're making right which is the island's

[0:21:44] Trustee Bernardo: trust is at risk of misleading people and when it comes to covenants and doing that kind of stuff

[0:21:49] Trustee Bernardo: if it's if those statements scientific statements are the are a basis for people either contributing

[0:21:55] Trustee Bernardo: funds for some purpose or um donating land um that's um getting into dangerous misrepresentation

[0:22:06] Trustee Bernardo: territory now that's what i thought i heard you saying i just want to make sure i've got that

[0:22:11] Trustee Bernardo: right yes

[0:22:11] Voice 16: i agree i agree with what you just so

[0:22:15] Trustee Bernardo: that's what you're saying yeah okay thank you okay

[0:22:19] Voice 21: thank you um i got sam borthwick it looks like the last hand up we'll continue on with our other

[0:22:27] Voice 21: delegations uh sam hi

[0:22:31] Voice 2: uh yes thank you david and i apologize for not having my video on my

[0:22:35] Voice 2: My internet is particularly poor where I am.

[0:22:39] Voice 2: And I think the clarifications that I was going to just seek here are mostly being covered in what my fellow trustees have just said.

[0:22:48] Voice 2: And Trustee Bernardo is pretty much covered, I think, what I was going to ask.

[0:22:52] Voice 2: But just to be clear, and I mean, I agree that this is a very important, you know, if this is the case, then, you know, if that's absolutely the case, and it certainly seems to be from your research, then that's an important issue.

[0:23:06] Voice 2: um but just to i think distill a little bit of what uh trustee morrison was asking was it's just

[0:23:14] Voice 2: being clear about what what the message is so your primary concern given this information given this

[0:23:23] Voice 2: very good research that you've done is is a question of integrity and making sure that

[0:23:34] Voice 2: policy and and planning and advertising is being done on the backs of good research um but is there

[0:23:41] Voice 2: any other thing this to us obviously it's a very important thing and i'm keen to look into it but

[0:23:46] Voice 2: i just want to make sure that if there's any other point that you wanted to discuss around that

[0:23:51] Voice 17: i i think you've you've got it so and and thank you thank you absolutely fantastic

[0:23:58] Voice 17: Fantastic.

[0:23:59] Voice 21: Thank you.

[0:24:00] Voice 21: I see now Kate Lee Stanford has a question there as well.

[0:24:08] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair.

[0:24:09] Voice 11: It's more just of a comment in relation

[0:24:11] Voice 11: to the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[0:24:14] Voice 11: And a reminder that our covenants and land donations,

[0:24:23] Voice 11: carbon sequestration is not even on the list

[0:24:26] Voice 11: of why people donate.

[0:24:30] Voice 11: We do a very comprehensive list of species at risk

[0:24:35] Voice 11: on each property.

[0:24:36] Voice 11: We do a management plan to maintain the diversity

[0:24:41] Voice 11: on those properties.

[0:24:43] Voice 11: We've got large reserves.

[0:24:45] Voice 11: We've got small reserves.

[0:24:46] Voice 11: I don't remember seeing this specific report being used

[0:24:52] Voice 11: in any actual donation.

[0:24:57] Voice 11: whatsoever. It's all based on the land and the diversity and the preserving of that. And it's

[0:25:03] Voice 11: more of a, when people do donate, it is quite an emotional presentation for them. And it's more

[0:25:13] Voice 11: around biodiversity, species at risk, and preserving what they see as the history of

[0:25:19] Voice 11: the biological history of the islands.

[0:25:24] Voice 21: Thank you. And the past chair of the Islands Trust

[0:25:27] Voice 21: disconservancy so um yeah i'm a little cognizant of time um but i don't want to uh shorten this

[0:25:35] Voice 21: conversation up too much but we've got three other speakers and town hall participants to attend to

[0:25:41] Voice 21: um so judy eddie over to you um

[0:25:47] Voice 20: so if bc logging comes in and they want to

[0:25:51] Voice 20: to wipe out our crown land.

[0:25:55] Voice 20: And we've got other reasons in terms of it being a water catchment area

[0:26:00] Voice 20: and the view for all the tourism and all the rest of it.

[0:26:04] Voice 20: We can no longer say that we're so special

[0:26:07] Voice 20: because this is one of the highest carbon sinks in the province.

[0:26:11] Voice 20: And we have to say that it's, assuming that we have Douglas fir,

[0:26:15] Voice 20: that it's just an ordinary forested area

[0:26:19] Voice 20: without any special characteristics is that basically your message yes

[0:26:28] Voice 8: okay thanks okay

[0:26:36] Voice 8: thank you i don't see any more questions so

[0:26:39] Voice 21: thank you david for your presentation today

[0:26:40] Voice 21: i'm gonna go to uh mele chandler uh next the democracy peace and the bylaw enforcement system

[0:27:02] Voice 15: I didn't know I had to turn things on so um hi um and uh thank you and I appreciate this

[0:27:13] Voice 15: opportunity to speak with you um about restorative enforcement tonight um and I'm I'm starting my

[0:27:21] Voice 15: timer so that I make sure that I have 10 minutes. And I'm very nervous, just as you can see,

[0:27:30] Voice 15: but I thought I should just say it and get it out there. So thank you for your commitment

[0:27:37] Voice 15: to democracy and for your openness to hearing this delegation. Can you all hear me okay?

[0:27:44] Voice 22: Yes.

[0:27:46] Voice 15: I've been informed that I may omit but not add to the text of the written submission so I have

[0:27:55] Voice 15: omitted by editing down for brevity the full text is available in the agenda package

[0:28:02] Voice 15: and if you read it please excuse the many typos when I submitted it I had been under the

[0:28:10] Voice 15: incorrect idea that I be afforded a chance to polish it prior to publication. So today I'm

[0:28:18] Voice 15: here to talk about the bylaw enforcement system and to offer some suggestions on how to make it

[0:28:26] Voice 15: better. I speak with many hats, that of a middle-aged woman, a daughter, a mother, a tradesperson

[0:28:36] Voice 15: person in the field of water preservation, a mature student, and I'm skipping my septic design

[0:28:44] Voice 15: course to be here tonight, an aspiring sawmiller and farmer, a sculptor, and a retired social and

[0:28:54] Voice 15: political scientist. And I was never this nervous in front of my students. So let us envision

[0:29:04] Voice 15: vision restorative enforcement. In the spirit of true, deep, inter-human, and inter-species

[0:29:15] Voice 15: reconciliation, let us envision a model of peace-building enforcement based on restoring

[0:29:25] Voice 15: balance and respect rather than on retribution and punishment. I make five points about our

[0:29:35] Voice 15: current system. First, gender. People who are socialized as women tend to deal with trauma and

[0:29:46] Voice 15: threatening male authority in different ways than people who are socialized as men.

[0:29:53] Voice 15: Some women don't feel safe on our own properties due to the enforcement

[0:30:00] Voice 15: staff's methods of contact and communication. Second, unhealthy polarization. On my island,

[0:30:12] Voice 15: there is a class polarization between tradespeople who want to house their families and store some

[0:30:20] Voice 15: supplies in a barn or a shed, and well-heeled environmentalists who don't work with their

[0:30:28] Voice 15: hands or need tools and who see affordable housing as rampant development. The enforcement system

[0:30:38] Voice 15: cracks down on our small local businesses and those of us who store our tools and equipment

[0:30:46] Voice 15: at home on our acreages. This kind of enforcement is making rural life very difficult for people.

[0:30:57] Voice 15: Another unhealthy polarization is that between advocates of affordable housing

[0:31:05] Voice 15: and those who host paying guests. A large part of the problem is the way

[0:31:15] Voice 15: that bylaws are made and amended in the first place. It would be more efficient and sustainable

[0:31:22] Voice 15: sustainable and peace building if trust staff began the bylaw making process by first going

[0:31:32] Voice 15: out to and really listening to all parties concerned. So let us imagine a trust area

[0:31:42] Voice 15: where staff are trained in peace building and work to co-create good bylaws directly with the

[0:31:52] Voice 15: communities they serve. Third, environmental protection. Trustees have given bylaw enforcement

[0:32:02] Voice 15: increased proactive powers where there are rainforest seasonal streams, creeks, and

[0:32:10] Voice 15: watersheds. It harms the cause of public and working people's support for good land stewardship

[0:32:20] Voice 15: when enforcement leverages these increased powers in ways that are draconian and not for ecological preservation.

[0:32:32] Voice 15: If you want to protect the environment, then invite the participation of landholders in collaborative and respectful ways.

[0:32:46] Voice 15: We all want to take care of the land. We all really want to take care of the land.

[0:32:52] Voice 15: So let us do it in mutually supportive ways.

[0:32:58] Voice 15: Fourth, democracy.

[0:33:02] Voice 15: To avoid unwanted enforcement attention, many small business owners are afraid to speak publicly or participate in civil society.

[0:33:13] Voice 15: This is because enforcement is being used against working people and our local on-the-ground economies in unfair ways.

[0:33:26] Voice 15: My prayer is that as newly elected trustees, you will work to create a truly inclusive democratic culture on our islands.

[0:33:39] Voice 15: during the last political cycle some trustees listened not for content but rather for reasons

[0:33:51] Voice 15: to censor citizen speakers it is counterproductive to close down your citizens when they are upset

[0:33:59] Voice 15: about how their safety homes and their economic resilience are being negatively impacted

[0:34:07] Voice 15: impacted by the trust's staff. The way to peace, respect, and balance is to listen for content

[0:34:17] Voice 15: and then change the system so that it truly works for all of us. So fifth, my final point,

[0:34:27] Voice 15: the trust policy statement. If we must have a new policy statement, please include protections

[0:34:36] Voice 15: for working people. Currently, we don't have any protections. So those of us who rely on using our

[0:34:45] Voice 15: land for our livelihoods, tradespeople, farmers, artisans, artists, bakers, accommodation providers,

[0:34:53] Voice 15: etc., we require protections. Healthy communities are not opposed to environmental protection.

[0:35:02] Voice 15: protection, both need to be included and both need to be protected.

[0:35:09] Voice 15: We also need real processes of appeal.

[0:35:14] Voice 15: So citizens need the basic right to appeal and we need a neutral body to

[0:35:21] Voice 15: appeal to when we feel frightened by unfair enforcement.

[0:35:27] Voice 15: So commitments to peace,

[0:35:28] Voice 15: plurality, balance, and participatory democracy should also be added. So let us in the trust area

[0:35:40] Voice 15: become a model of how both community and ecology can flourish together in mutually beneficial

[0:35:50] Voice 15: symbiosis and support. Thank you. Thank

[0:35:56] Voice 21: you, Mireille. I'll ask if there's any questions for

[0:36:02] Voice 21: the delegate from trustees i see um laura patrick

[0:36:06] Voice 4: i i don't have a question but i really want to

[0:36:10] Voice 4: thank you uh yell and acknowledge i you i know that was a hard thing for you to do and i

[0:36:16] Voice 4: appreciate you doing it and saying it to us so thank you indeed

[0:36:24] Voice 8: thank you um joe bernardo

[0:36:31] Voice 8: thank you thank you ms

[0:36:33] Trustee Bernardo: chandler for your presentation i have uh just one question um

[0:36:37] Trustee Bernardo: You spoke a great deal about your discontent of the Island Trust approach to bylaw enforcement.

[0:36:50] Trustee Bernardo: My question is, are there specific changes to your local bylaws that you want to see?

[0:36:58] Trustee Bernardo: or another way of asking the same question are there particular provisions in your local bylaw

[0:37:06] Trustee Bernardo: today that are particularly problematic uh in um from your point of view and what i'm trying to do

[0:37:16] Trustee Bernardo: here is i i've heard you on the on the issue of bylaw enforcement but the question i'm asking is

[0:37:22] Trustee Bernardo: is that really the problem the enforcement side or is it the bylaw you don't like and

[0:37:27] Trustee Bernardo: And is that the avenue that you want to see change?

[0:37:32] Trustee Bernardo: Thank you.

[0:37:32] Voice 15: Yeah, no, no, no, thank you.

[0:37:34] Voice 15: Both are important.

[0:37:36] Voice 15: However, the difficulties that we are facing

[0:37:41] Voice 15: are primarily on the enforcement side

[0:37:44] Voice 15: because what happens is that the staff,

[0:37:51] Voice 15: the bylaw enforcement staff,

[0:37:54] Voice 15: um interpret and decide what the laws mean and then enforce based on that and um there's no one

[0:38:06] Voice 15: to appeal to so then when we run into problems and i'm not allowed to speak about any specific ones

[0:38:13] Voice 15: um but when we run into problems often it doesn't even work for our trustees to go and pass

[0:38:22] Voice 15: legislation to protect us so um twice in i hope i can say this but twice in my situation the

[0:38:32] Voice 15: trustees have passed legislation to try to protect us from enforcement and um you know there's just

[0:38:42] Voice 15: another route that the enforcement goes around that so um you can spot fix it i'm sure and

[0:38:52] Voice 15: And there's definitely a lot of changes to bylaws that need to be made.

[0:38:58] Voice 15: But we have a systemic unfair enforcement process and I think maybe just years of precedence of it that really need to be addressed.

[0:39:18] Voice 15: Now, in terms of specific bylaws, yes, there are many. So one specific bylaw, for example, is, and I think it's okay to sort of use my own example in this because it's just generic, but my property is zoned for bed and breakfast rooms, right?

[0:39:44] Voice 15: Right. So so that someone like me can participate in the tourist economy.

[0:39:49] Voice 15: But they're in the bylaw. All those rooms have to be inside a house and I don't have a house.

[0:39:55] Voice 15: Right. So and other people who don't have houses as well are then prevented from taking advantage of our zoning.

[0:40:05] Voice 15: So sorry.

[0:40:09] Voice 8: I heard an interruption.

[0:40:15] Voice 8: so thank you for the question and the answer toby

[0:40:22] Voice 21: elliott you're next uh

[0:40:26] Voice 5: thank you chair and

[0:40:27] Voice 5: thank you miss chandler excuse my voice i've gotten more stuffy during the day um your

[0:40:33] Voice 5: situation is um really highlights a lot of the systemic issues that we're we're um wanting to

[0:40:43] Voice 5: deal with in the trust area. And I just commend your courage in coming forward and speaking

[0:40:48] Voice 5: personally from your heart. It takes a lot of guts to do that. On Gabriela Island, where I'm

[0:40:57] Voice 5: thankful to serve, we're about to contemplate an OCP process. And so when I think of

[0:41:04] Voice 5: your call to consider asking, or that trust staff begin the bylaw making process by first

[0:41:13] Voice 5: going out and really listening to all parties concerned. I guess my reflection on that is as

[0:41:19] Voice 5: we struggle with budget talks here, we have staff that are planners, administrators, and professionals

[0:41:25] Voice 5: in all these different disciplines. And what we are pointing to is we lack community building

[0:41:33] Voice 5: folks who act in between government and community to come up with those solutions. So

[0:41:38] Voice 5: that's something I'm going to be looking forward to. I don't know if it's something that

[0:41:42] Voice 5: we should expect staff to provide but this should be a community-based conversation so

[0:41:49] Voice 5: thank you for that if i can i respond to that briefly is that okay

[0:41:58] Voice 21: but let's try and stick to uh trust-wide interests just this

[0:42:03] Voice 15: is a trust-wide interest

[0:42:04] Voice 15: and all of us have a trust-wide interest, in fact.

[0:42:11] Voice 15: So it would be far more efficient

[0:42:15] Voice 15: and far more cost-effective

[0:42:19] Voice 15: to be working collaboratively in the first place

[0:42:23] Voice 15: with communities to come up with good bylaws

[0:42:26] Voice 15: that everyone has felt that they're part of

[0:42:29] Voice 15: because they've been able to have a voice

[0:42:31] Voice 15: in shaping it from the beginning.

[0:42:33] Voice 15: that is far more cost effective than arguing for centuries after it and then having crazy

[0:42:38] Voice 15: enforcement all over the place thank

[0:42:42] Voice 21: you um deb morrison you're the next speaker on my list and

[0:42:46] Voice 21: i'm jamie harris oh

[0:42:48] Voice 22: sorry whoever's in

[0:42:52] Voice 22: the top left

[0:42:52] Voice 4: he's

[0:42:54] Voice 22: always got their hand up

[0:42:58] Voice 5: it's because his hand is yellow against the yellow background it's hard yeah the background

[0:43:03] Voice 21: background color is uh very uh undiscerning so dag uh uh apologies maybe change the color of your

[0:43:10] Voice 21: hand and i'll uh i'll uh go to you

[0:43:13] Voice 8: next okay

[0:43:17] Voice 19: uh sorry sorry about that i'll work on my hand thing

[0:43:21] Voice 19: color uh really uh i want to just say say you know thank you for for having the courage and

[0:43:31] Voice 19: being brave to come to us with with your perspectives on this and for me as a new

[0:43:37] Voice 19: trustee for south pender i i share pretty much everything like you really given voice to my

[0:43:44] Voice 19: concerns and what uh made me step forward and put my name you know forward for for the elections

[0:43:51] Voice 19: and so you know i i care deeply about the issues you're talking about and i really really appreciate

[0:43:56] Voice 19: you uh bringing it forward and and uh doing it very eloquently and i agree very strongly with

[0:44:05] Voice 19: your idea that it's much more effective to have cooperative um and collaborative

[0:44:13] Voice 19: bylaws that you have developed yourself and that you know based on the principle that or the

[0:44:19] Voice 19: understanding that i think most of us have is that the people that live on these islands care the

[0:44:24] Voice 19: most deeply about these islands and the health of the environment on them and so we should harness

[0:44:29] Voice 19: that and we're in some ways doing the opposite by having a sort of uh sort of uh unfriendly

[0:44:39] Voice 19: enforcement style so thank you so

[0:44:46] Voice 8: deb morrison you're next thank

[0:44:50] Voice 13: you and thank you for coming

[0:44:52] Voice 13: and sharing your thoughts um i'm curious i think about how you have worked with trustees

[0:45:00] Voice 13: um in the past and like not to get into island specific things but just to name that um we

[0:45:08] Voice 13: regularly i live i'm on north pender and we regularly get approached by people who have

[0:45:13] Voice 13: enforcement because the tuning of bylaws and enforcement both active and passive enforcement

[0:45:19] Voice 13: enforcement is an iterative process. As things develop, as new needs come up in the community,

[0:45:26] Voice 13: we find it to be quite an iterative process and have to tune it a lot. And sometimes the instances

[0:45:33] Voice 13: that we see enforcement in one case are not what was intended in the bylaw. And I would argue that

[0:45:39] Voice 13: trustees are the ones who are responsible for being that community connection with staff and

[0:45:46] Voice 13: and really understanding what is needed in their community.

[0:45:49] Voice 13: And trustees are the ones that actually have authority

[0:45:52] Voice 13: to do quite a lot with respect to that,

[0:45:54] Voice 13: to activate standing motions about what is enforced on

[0:45:58] Voice 13: and what isn't actively,

[0:46:00] Voice 13: and also to be able to dismiss by law enforcement

[0:46:03] Voice 13: in a particular instance, if they so choose,

[0:46:06] Voice 13: because they feel it's not meeting the needs

[0:46:08] Voice 13: of the intent bylaws.

[0:46:09] Voice 13: So I just wanted to kind of name that.

[0:46:12] Voice 13: And I don't know if it's a question,

[0:46:13] Voice 13: because I don't want to get into an island specific conversation but just to name it

[0:46:17] Voice 13: those are responsibilities and powers that trustees have in the LTC.

[0:46:22] Voice 15: Yeah if I can respond to that

[0:46:25] Voice 15: it actually it doesn't work and it doesn't work I'm not exactly sure why but it seems to be

[0:46:33] Voice 15: the division of powers that um trustees are not actually able to shape the way that

[0:46:43] Voice 15: enforcement staff approach things and enforcement staff when they don't agree with the trustees or

[0:46:51] Voice 15: in specific cases have ways of going around what the trustees are asking for um and it's not

[0:47:00] Voice 15: Unfortunately, if it was actually sort of actively iterate and if these were the living documents that they're supposed to be in a democracy where trustees can shape things in an iterative way for the residents and where residents can come forward with these issues, then yes, that would be wonderful.

[0:47:25] Voice 15: So part of the problem is that there's, it seems to be in our islands trust structure that the kind of input that trustees should have into enforcement, and this is also why we really need a neutral appeal process, just doesn't exist.

[0:47:47] Voice 21: Thank you. So,

[0:47:49] Voice 21: Jamie Harris, perhaps let you wind this delegation up here over to you, your question or comment.

[0:47:55] Voice 21: Sam

[0:47:55] Voice 15: has his hand up as well, but I don't know if that was missed.

[0:47:59] Voice 15: Pardon me?

[0:48:00] Voice 15: Sam has his hand up as well.

[0:48:03] Voice 15: I don't know if that was already addressed.

[0:48:06] Voice 15: Sorry.

[0:48:07] Voice 21: He

[0:48:07] Voice 18: spoke already.

[0:48:09] Voice 8: Jamie?

[0:48:10] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:48:11] Voice 18: Yeah, thanks.

[0:48:12] Voice 18: I just wanted to say thank you to Mielle for bringing this forward,

[0:48:17] Voice 18: and I look forward to trying to help address some of these issues in the future.

[0:48:23] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:48:24] Voice 18: Thank you, Jamie.

[0:48:25] Voice 21: And thank you, Neil, for bringing your delegation

[0:48:29] Voice 21: to us today.

[0:48:30] Voice 21: Excuse

[0:48:30] Voice 22: me, Chair, Trustee Bothwick actually had his hand up

[0:48:35] Voice 22: for quite some time, apparently he's not on your screen,

[0:48:38] Voice 22: but he's not on

[0:48:40] Voice 21: my screen or on my list.

[0:48:42] Voice 21: So Trustee Bothwick then, over to you.

[0:48:47] Voice 21: Hi,

[0:48:49] Voice 2: thank you, Chair.

[0:48:50] Voice 2: Yeah, I don't know why I wasn't showing up for you.

[0:48:54] Voice 2: Technical bugbears, always fun.

[0:48:55] Voice 2: um yeah i just want to say um i really appreciate and uh uh respect the courage that you have taken

[0:49:06] Voice 2: in bringing this forward i know it's uh extremely extremely difficult to be to feel threatened in

[0:49:13] Voice 2: your home and where you live uh in that way and then to bring that forward to a body especially

[0:49:18] Voice 2: when you feel like that body hasn't been responsive is uh takes incredible courage and

[0:49:23] Voice 2: And it's really hard.

[0:49:25] Voice 2: I, like some of the other trustees who've spoken,

[0:49:31] Voice 2: have decided to run very much on the back of those concerns

[0:49:36] Voice 2: and haven't heard those concerns from people in my community.

[0:49:39] Voice 2: And I hear your concern and frustration about the apparent toothlessness

[0:49:47] Voice 2: of trustees to affect change directly on enforcement.

[0:49:51] Voice 2: I don't know what tools we have to make change that will help you directly, but I want you to know that there are a lot of us on this new trust council who are very sensitive to your concerns and are very keen to find whatever we can do to make sure that bylaw enforcement is not punitive or classist or otherwise punitive.

[0:50:20] Voice 2: and yeah thank you again for coming before us thank

[0:50:25] Voice 10: you so much okay

[0:50:27] Voice 21: i think that covers my

[0:50:29] Voice 21: speakers now i'm definitely not seeing any other hands up so again thank you very much

[0:50:34] Voice 21: for your presentation today um i'm going to move on to 7.3 mary beth ronda

[0:50:41] Voice 21: using carbon footprint thank

[0:50:43] Voice 6: you and the slides i don't know laurie if you're able to get those up

[0:50:48] Voice 6: I am.

[0:50:53] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:50:54] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:50:55] Voice 6: Just let me figure out what I'm going to do here.

[0:50:59] Voice 6: Sorry.

[0:51:00] Voice 6: That just went on to full screen for some reason.

[0:51:02] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:51:02] Voice 6: Thank you for allowing me the time to make this delegation.

[0:51:05] Voice 6: With my background in local government and setting environmental policy, I wanted to share concepts on how this small government can perhaps improve its effectiveness.

[0:51:16] Voice 6: And I'm using one particular topic to illustrate this, which is addressing climate change.

[0:51:21] Voice 6: Next slide, please. This snapshot is from the Government of Canada website. The purple highlight

[0:51:28] Voice 6: just shows a statement that climate change is caused by greenhouse gases, which is basically

[0:51:35] Voice 6: combustion and the release of gases. And it's a top priority of our time, which one trustee already

[0:51:41] Voice 6: mentioned this evening. And everything is going in this direction. So you'll see principles come

[0:51:46] Voice 6: up across the bottom of the slides in this one it is just follow senior governments trust the

[0:51:52] Voice 6: information it is well vetted and it has the side benefit of following the funding that comes from

[0:51:59] Voice 6: these senior government policies that's how funding flows next slide since the policy statement was

[0:52:07] Voice 6: made last may many citizens and even trustees asked what is our real role in affecting climate

[0:52:13] Voice 6: climate change. Yes, we are a speck in the overall climate, both geographically and population-wise,

[0:52:21] Voice 6: but we need to know this to set the baseline context with transparency. This information

[0:52:28] Voice 6: should be clearly articulated. Next slide. We may be small, but like all governments,

[0:52:36] Voice 6: we turn that around where each individual, each jurisdiction, no matter how small, does its part.

[0:52:42] Voice 6: every ton matters that principle the principle at the bottom of the screen is to discuss this

[0:52:50] Voice 6: democratically and find the path to move forward with the buy-in of our citizens as well the

[0:52:57] Voice 6: islands i've noticed in my experience have knowledgeable citizens that have time to give

[0:53:02] Voice 6: it is very normal to make use of citizens involvement as a resource and it's if done

[0:53:09] Voice 6: done properly. It's another way to save staff time. Next slide. The sectors that emit the most

[0:53:17] Voice 6: gases are well documented. On the left side shows the Canada with heavy industries that are the big

[0:53:24] Voice 6: emitters. The right side shows the provinces and you see BC where the sectors start to change. For

[0:53:30] Voice 6: BC, for example, we have forestry rather than many heavy industries. Next slide. At the regional

[0:53:38] Voice 6: district level, you can see sectors more clearly without the big industries, which are predominantly

[0:53:44] Voice 6: transportation and buildings. Next slide. So how do we look at the Islands Trust area? I'm sure I

[0:53:53] Voice 6: missed it, but I couldn't find our calculations or charts. So the pie chart in the middle is a

[0:53:58] Voice 6: what if. I just put it in there. I put transportation because we drive around our

[0:54:03] Voice 6: islands. We have buildings. And I also put in open burning just for illustrations. So the

[0:54:09] Voice 6: The principles here are use the calculations, follow the well-established science, and then you just have to refine it as it relates to the local context.

[0:54:18] Voice 6: The mistrust and divisions with our partner governments is expensive for our taxpayers and ask more sophistication of our tiny government than we can reliably deliver.

[0:54:30] Voice 6: Next slide.

[0:54:30] Voice 6: So looking over those three areas, starting with transportation, most islands are trying to provide transportation alternatives so we can get out of our vehicles.

[0:54:41] Voice 6: So the principle here is always look for the win-win, the policy win-wins.

[0:54:45] Voice 6: Active transportation, walking and cycling, they are finding out more and more has enormous health and mental health benefits, plus the bonus that we all know about as road safety for walking and cycling.

[0:54:58] Voice 6: I believe the Islands Trust certainly has a role in advocating and educating, even though transportation service is not a deliverable of the Islands Trust.

[0:55:08] Voice 6: I would cite the recent failed referendum on the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:55:12] Voice 6: What I would suggest is due to misplaced advocacy and lack of education.

[0:55:18] Voice 6: Next slide.

[0:55:20] Voice 6: The building sector, it's mostly about losing less heat by better insulation.

[0:55:26] Voice 6: If the Gulf Island really wanted to do a better response to climate change, it would promote net zero homes. It's simple. We just had a building boom. Much of the housing stock is older cottages that are poorly insulated. There are rebates all over the place and incentives for new builds and rentals. If we are really clear on the concepts of how to do our part, then could we be doing a better job of advocating and educating?

[0:55:52] Voice 6: Next slide.

[0:55:55] Voice 6: Here's a really difficult topic, wood burning for heat.

[0:55:59] Voice 6: So a lot of pushback in our islands, but no question, rural forested areas have disproportionately high contributions to greenhouse gas by burning all that wood fuel that's all around us.

[0:56:11] Voice 6: But if it is one of the highest emitters in our jurisdiction, as I say, with transparency and just setting the context, it's an important dialogue to have with the community.

[0:56:21] Voice 6: The state of Washington is way ahead of us. They have a program. They have similar forested rural context just across the border. They've measured the air quality and they have a policy now for wood burning stoves. And I would say one of those is that in areas that are not serviced by electricity, these policies are exempt.

[0:56:43] Voice 6: So this is an example where it's fairly simple to devise a program that fits our context and we can tackle these difficult topics.

[0:56:51] Voice 6: I think we're missing some things.

[0:56:53] Voice 6: And the next slide.

[0:56:56] Voice 8: The same next slide there.

[0:57:04] Voice 6: The same with open burning.

[0:57:07] Voice 6: We have a lot of biomass associated with our forests and there are fewer alternatives to open burning.

[0:57:12] Voice 6: infrastructure funding for alternatives like that like composting is very much available

[0:57:19] Voice 6: the wins on this one are enormous improved air quality healthier managed for us by getting rid

[0:57:25] Voice 6: of a lot of the debris and fire smart communities next slide now number two on if you look at the

[0:57:32] Voice 6: top of the um it is prepare for climate change with resilience and adaptability this is from

[0:57:39] Voice 6: the provincial website and it clearly acknowledging the challenges of dealing with changed caused by

[0:57:45] Voice 6: climate oh we're behind next

[0:57:48] Voice 8: slide sorry okay

[0:57:53] Voice 6: there we go oh nope sorry um that the last one

[0:57:58] Voice 6: was right um the best thing to do on this one is to promote constructive ways to deal with climate

[0:58:05] Voice 6: change, to encourage a sense of control. This cannot be under promoted. The worst thing you

[0:58:12] Voice 6: can do is feed the anxiety and fears. So the principle here is all information should be

[0:58:19] Voice 6: constructive and focus on areas that can be controlled and promote unity. And next slide.

[0:58:28] Voice 6: A few quick things about the Islands Trust. Our government operations, that's the offices and

[0:58:33] Voice 6: etc of our government achieve carbon neutrality in 2018 which is great news next slide given our

[0:58:45] Voice 6: characteristics of forested rural context you saw emitting sectors versus our rural setting I

[0:58:50] Voice 6: started to ask myself are we carbon neutral now I'd like to know I maybe I just missed that

[0:58:56] Voice 6: information next slide and if you're wondering what the islands trust can do in 2008 the province

[0:59:03] Voice 6: brought in powerful tools for local governments including the Islands Trust and all of our OCPs

[0:59:09] Voice 6: have included already climate change a climate change section so that the the power is already

[0:59:15] Voice 6: there and next slide so here's just one example of what we see on the Islands Trust website again

[0:59:23] Voice 6: I think it's one example but it is characteristic highlighted in yellow the islands of the trust

[0:59:29] Voice 6: area are particularly vulnerable to climate change that's actually factually incorrect

[0:59:34] Voice 6: we are no more vulnerable uh it's only that perhaps we feel more vulnerable um and the next

[0:59:41] Voice 6: side i'm not don't change it yet but i'll just look at one topic but with that heading and the

[0:59:47] Voice 6: list of scary statements below strong winds rising sea levels droughts intensive rain events even i

[0:59:54] Voice 6: I feel alarmed. I ask myself, what are the principles being used with the design?

[1:00:00] Voice 6: of this page I don't think they're the ones I just described after hearing the council round table

[1:00:05] Voice 6: today and not to diminish this in any way but the recent snow event right during the commute

[1:00:12] Voice 6: in the lower mainland was slushy snow so that the brining of the roads was not effective in any way

[1:00:19] Voice 6: brought the lower mainland to a halt and again not to diminish everyone's experiences with the

[1:00:25] Voice 6: recent um snow event but it affects it's all around so the next slide this is just one example

[1:00:33] Voice 6: on sea level rise dark blue are areas that are most vulnerable to um sea level rise you can see

[1:00:42] Voice 6: its low lying areas and sandy gravelly areas that are subject to erosion and the inset map there

[1:00:49] Voice 6: shows the um our you know some of our islands you can hardly see any blue dots the reason is that

[1:00:55] Voice 6: that islands, most of the island faces are steep and rocky, and they are not as vulnerable. That's

[1:01:02] Voice 6: just one example. So I wonder, would if we followed those principles, would we be saying

[1:01:08] Voice 6: something like, while the islands trust area is tiny in the global context, and our

[1:01:13] Voice 6: rural forested islands have already achieved carbon neutrality. And that's I'm just speculating

[1:01:21] Voice 6: on that but let's say we did we will work together to improve our status and do our part to reduce

[1:01:27] Voice 6: carbon footprint and we will promote uh resilience and adaptability to prepare for climate change

[1:01:34] Voice 6: i think i'll leave it there um because i'm at 10 minutes thank you thank

[1:01:41] Voice 21: you very much for

[1:01:42] Voice 21: managing your time so very well appreciate that um are there any questions for the delegate

[1:01:47] Voice 21: I see Dag Falk got your hand up there and then got

[1:01:58] Voice 21: it

[1:02:00] Voice 19: against the blue background there hopefully

[1:02:02] Voice 19: uh yeah just uh thank you Mary Beth for your presentation and I was uh wondering if you could

[1:02:09] Voice 19: say a little bit more about what your vision is for how the trust can operationalize some of your

[1:02:16] Voice 19: suggestions like what what's the first step or what's the structure that we have to have in place

[1:02:20] Voice 19: or what's missing in our structure to address some of these things?

[1:02:24] Voice 6: I think, actually, I think Planner Hippelot mentioned it today

[1:02:31] Voice 6: on the trust policy statement.

[1:02:32] Voice 6: She said the first, the governance review said the first order of business

[1:02:37] Voice 6: is the interpretation of the preserve and protect mandate,

[1:02:40] Voice 6: which I believe is at the base of the directions taken by the Islands Trust,

[1:02:44] Voice 6: particularly in the last term,

[1:02:45] Voice 6: which is piled on by the declaration of a climate emergency in 2019, which I think

[1:02:53] Voice 6: sent the island's trust off in a trajectory that, you know, it's very similar to the

[1:02:59] Voice 6: David Dunison's presentation. I don't think the science is solid. And I would suggest that

[1:03:07] Voice 6: that is because we're running off, facing the climate emergency and not dotting I's.

[1:03:15] Voice 6: And that, I believe, is motivated by the interpretation of the preserve and protect mandate. At the root of that, the trust policy statement, in my opinion, is rife with examples that do not follow the principles that I mentioned.

[1:03:30] Voice 6: I think reinventing climate science, ecosystems, biodiversity, that is not working for the small government. I would align with the larger governments and simply refine. For example, the provincial government has already done carbon storage sequestration calculations.

[1:03:52] Voice 6: calculations. Why did we pay money to do a study on that that appears to be wrong? It's just an

[1:03:59] Voice 6: example that maybe we should simplify, go back to basics, save some money. Maybe one trustee suggested

[1:04:07] Voice 6: it, put things on hold while we implement the government's review. You can see from this

[1:04:13] Voice 6: that if we put climate emergency GHG on hold for a year in our tiny speck of area,

[1:04:21] Voice 6: you how much difference will that really make while we get ourselves in order okay thank you

[1:04:29] Voice 21: um make sure i don't sing any of the hands up anywhere and so thank you very much for your

[1:04:38] Voice 21: presentation and uh let's go to our next delegate here 7.4 michael sketch uh wants to speak on

[1:04:46] Voice 21: structure of the policy statement.

[1:04:51] Voice 1: Hello, can you hear me? Yes, sir.

[1:04:55] Voice 1: Yes? Yes. And is my voice

[1:05:00] Voice 1: breaking up? I have a dodgy internet connection.

[1:05:04] Voice 21: No, your voice is fine. Thank you.

[1:05:06] Voice 1: Thank you very

[1:05:07] Voice 1: much. Councillors, I'll call council's trust policy statement by law 17, the TPS, and we'll speak to

[1:05:21] Voice 1: to the historical and rationale context for a rewritten TPS,

[1:05:27] Voice 1: which is consistent with the Islands Trust Act

[1:05:30] Voice 1: in that TPS policies reasonably interpret the act.

[1:05:37] Voice 1: However, council's 1994 choice

[1:05:40] Voice 1: of directive policy TPS structure

[1:05:43] Voice 1: delegates policy implementation to the local trust areas.

[1:05:48] Voice 1: I argue that TPS structure is not a reasonable interpretation of the act, in part because the TPS structure does not follow from the fact of an islands trust federation.

[1:06:03] Voice 1: I'll justify the following criticism of TPS structure.

[1:06:09] Voice 1: In delegating implementation to the local jurisdictions,

[1:06:13] Voice 1: jurisdictions, certainty that councils preserve and protect policies will have force and effect

[1:06:19] Voice 1: in the entire trust area has been translated to a requirement that there be certainty

[1:06:26] Voice 1: if the local jurisdiction chooses not to implement a TPS policy. The structure for the current TPS

[1:06:37] Voice 1: dates for 1994 in response to a 1989 amendment to the act it became council's responsibility

[1:06:46] Voice 1: to carry out the object by adopting a tps bylaw and giving oversight for effective trust area

[1:06:55] Voice 1: policies i argue that at best the delegation of trust area policy implementation was a variation

[1:07:05] Voice 1: of the intent of the act. The consequence is that the TPS bylaw is less effective at carrying out

[1:07:14] Voice 1: the object than it could and should have been. Therefore, I don't believe Council's 1994

[1:07:22] Voice 1: and 2022 choice of TPS structure satisfies the test of reasonableness. A preferred TPS structure

[1:07:33] Voice 1: will not delegate Council's obligations.

[1:07:39] Voice 1: The TPS and object are the instruments of the Islands Trust Federation.

[1:07:46] Voice 1: The intended hierarchical two-level administration benefits

[1:07:51] Voice 1: from the inherent checks and balances of a federation.

[1:07:58] Voice 1: Trust Council and Trust Area Services would preside over

[1:08:02] Voice 1: the local trust areas and local planning service.

[1:08:05] Voice 1: service. The Act requires that Council adopt a TPS by-law, but the Act does not specify how

[1:08:13] Voice 1: the trust area policies were to carry out the preserve and protect object. The most direct

[1:08:20] Voice 1: application of Federation governance would have had Council adopt policies which in and of

[1:08:28] Voice 1: themselves implement the object for the trust area. Notwithstanding, when Council deliberated

[1:08:35] Voice 1: deliberated the third and final draft for their new TPS bylaw in 1993, there was a compromise.

[1:08:45] Voice 1: Some residents lobbied for local autonomy and the trust area policies not be unduly prescriptive

[1:08:54] Voice 1: from the local area perspective. On the day, a perception of local autonomy was favored

[1:09:02] Voice 1: and council chose to adopt TPS directive policies. Each directive policy reads,

[1:09:11] Voice 1: LTCs and island municipalities shall, in their OCPs and regulatory bylaws, address,

[1:09:19] Voice 1: followed by the preserve and protect policy matter. The consequence was that council could

[1:09:26] Voice 1: have no certainty that local address of TPS policies would result in effective implementation,

[1:09:32] Voice 1: implementation, not in 1994 and not in 2022. Although in principle, planning staff advice

[1:09:41] Voice 1: and LTC decisions are consistent with local bylaws, they need not be. Witness that an

[1:09:48] Voice 1: application for change in land use can include an application to amend the OCP, the land use bylaw,

[1:09:55] Voice 1: or both. Worse still, Council's lack of certainty that trust area policies will be implemented

[1:10:02] Voice 1: locally, is by design. In the role of council section of the 1994 TPS bylaw,

[1:10:11] Voice 1: directive policies are enabled as follows, and I quote, the OCP must contain policies that tend

[1:10:21] Voice 1: to implement the policy stated by council, unless the LTC sets out explicitly in the plan

[1:10:29] Voice 1: the reasons and justifications for local policies that did not do so. The same potential for TPS

[1:10:39] Voice 1: policy avoidance is repeated in today's TPS and in the Trust Policy Manual, both in 1994

[1:10:47] Voice 1: and in 2022. But there is no such escape clause in the Act. Staff did recognize the potential

[1:10:58] Voice 1: for trust body and staff actions not being consistent with TPS policy when policy implementation

[1:11:05] Voice 1: is delegated and reasons could be given by the local area for non-compliance.

[1:11:11] Voice 1: The 1994 TPS implementation policy required as follows, all decisions and activities of

[1:11:20] Voice 1: trust bodies that have the potential for either furthering the implementation of the TPS or

[1:11:27] Voice 1: or for not so, will be subject to a compliance audit.

[1:11:34] Voice 1: It was to be the Islands Trust staff who prepared the compliance audit.

[1:11:40] Voice 1: Is this not the fox policing the henhouse?

[1:11:43] Voice 1: The potential is manifest for conflicted interests and ineffectiveness of trust area policies.

[1:11:52] Voice 1: In summary, success or failure in the test of reasonableness for Council's choice of TPS structure lies with the effectiveness of Council's TPS bylaw in carrying out the object.

[1:12:09] Voice 1: Where there is certainty that trust area policies will be adhered to in the day-to-day actions of all trust bodies and in the staff advice given to trust decision makers, the TPS structure which informs that certainty would be consistent with a reasonable interpretation of the Act.

[1:12:32] Voice 1: Act. In 1994, a direct application of federation governance would have had Council adopt TPS

[1:12:41] Voice 1: policies which in and of themselves implement the object. However, use of the directive

[1:12:50] Voice 1: policies in TPS structure confounds the provincial intention for federation governance and so

[1:12:57] Voice 1: limits the potential effectiveness of TPS policies in the trust area. In the limit,

[1:13:06] Voice 1: If TPS policy implementation is sufficiently ambiguous that the object loses its forces

[1:13:12] Voice 1: and effect, then the instruments of federation are confounded, and islands trust governance

[1:13:19] Voice 1: presents as a confederation of autonomous local trust areas rather than as a federation,

[1:13:28] Voice 1: not as intended by the Act.

[1:13:32] Voice 1: In closing, I'd like to comment on change. Change at the last trust council meeting was palpable

[1:13:43] Voice 1: around the trust council table, I think, with staff and trustees. In last term's governance

[1:13:51] Voice 1: review, the consultant reported that to a person, councillors believed in the object.

[1:13:57] Voice 1: For Council to cooperate in rewriting the TPS would be a renaissance for the object.

[1:14:06] Voice 1: Of course, there is resistance to change in the status quo, to the status quo, but Ireland's trust politics are changing.

[1:14:14] Voice 1: Witness Council's new governance committee.

[1:14:18] Voice 1: Yes, there's been 30 years to start afresh on the TPS.

[1:14:22] Voice 1: But remember that democracy came to the French Republic decades after the guillotine.

[1:14:28] Voice 1: I have submitted successive drafts of a new TPS by-law to Council, which is consistent with the 1973 report of the Provincial Standing Committee on Municipal Affairs and with the consequent Islands Trust Act.

[1:14:47] Voice 1: My hope is formal receipt of my draft TPS, then, above all, cooperative deliberation at your own Council table.

[1:14:58] Voice 1: A renaissance for the object.

[1:15:01] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:15:06] Voice 21: Thank you Mr. Sketch for your presentation. I'll just turn to trustees to see if there's

[1:15:12] Voice 21: any questions out there with respect to your presentation. I believe I've seen any so again

[1:15:23] Voice 21: thank you very much for your presentation. All right we're now going to switch over to the

[1:15:30] Voice 21: public comment period. I'm going to switch my screen over here to attendees and indeed

[1:15:37] Voice 21: indeed, ask folks to raise their hands if they wish to address council. I see that Maxine

[1:15:44] Voice 21: Leichter has raised her hand, so let's promote her, and others can certainly do likewise,

[1:15:51] Voice 21: and I see a few hands up. Thank you. And so, Maxine, the floor is yours, and

[1:16:00] Voice 21: two minutes per person is usually what we allot, so please, after you.

[1:16:06] Voice 10: I assume you can hear me, but you cannot see me.

[1:16:09] Voice 10: I can

[1:16:09] Voice 21: hear you just fine.

[1:16:11] Voice 10: How to control the budget seems to be the most relevant topic tonight.

[1:16:18] Voice 10: I encourage you to be courageous, break new ground, and take up some or all of the seven suggestions I'm going to make.

[1:16:26] Voice 10: One, do not add staff.

[1:16:29] Voice 10: During the 19 years I've lived in the trust area, there has been more and more staff added over time.

[1:16:37] Voice 10: This isn't the fault of the staff.

[1:16:40] Voice 10: Less staff will be needed if they are asked to do less.

[1:16:44] Voice 10: Number two, one project per local trust committee instead of three.

[1:16:51] Voice 10: The list of projects that are there now are just outrageous.

[1:16:55] Voice 10: They can't be done.

[1:16:57] Voice 10: even tracking them is taking staff time one project for each local trust committee is fair

[1:17:04] Voice 10: we'll get this under control three hold only two meetings in person some said in-person meetings

[1:17:13] Voice 10: were needed so trustees get to know one another so they can have consensus and that sounds nice

[1:17:19] Voice 10: but the trust council is not a social club and consensus isn't needed trust council is a

[1:17:26] Voice 10: a governing body where people should be expected to have different opinions and settle them by

[1:17:32] Voice 10: voting. Nothing's wrong with that. Trustees can get to know one another by arranging to get together

[1:17:38] Voice 10: outside of trust meetings. Four, cut the budget for public information. This is too big and not

[1:17:47] Voice 10: effective. Set a small budget and target it to meet specific goals. If you just want to inform

[1:17:54] Voice 10: people of something, for example, do a mailing. The trust has so open and wonderful. You can

[1:18:00] Voice 10: listen to the meetings live. You can listen to them later. People can write letters. They can

[1:18:05] Voice 10: speak at town hall. And it's not clear to me how public influences trustees, how public input

[1:18:13] Voice 10: influences. The first round of public feedback on the trust policy statement said that the

[1:18:18] Voice 10: environment was the most important. The trustees did not give it priority. Trustees will do what

[1:18:24] Voice 10: they want anyway and that's legitimate that's what they are elected to do five place strict limits on

[1:18:33] Voice 10: the number of advocacy items advocacy is asking other levels of government to do things better

[1:18:40] Voice 10: to concentrate on what the trust can do i suspect if you do a study you'll see that these efforts

[1:18:46] Voice 10: have a very low level of success over the years six don't add another committee for first nations

[1:18:53] Voice 10: that's going to be very expensive seven my last suggestion the governance report suggested

[1:19:02] Voice 10: conducting a management review fund the management review this will provide more ways to save money

[1:19:11] Voice 10: thank you thank

[1:19:14] Voice 21: you for uh joining us today i'm going to ask dory howard is the next speaker on

[1:19:22] Voice 21: my list to be promoted and um are you there dory yes

[1:19:28] Voice 12: i'm here can you hear me are

[1:19:30] Voice 21: you just fine

[1:19:31] Voice 21: thank you good

[1:19:33] Voice 12: thank you i'm here to support the delegation of meow chandler and bylaw 355 item 26

[1:19:39] Voice 12: about 2.6.1 states that bylaw officer blah blah is authorized to enter at any reasonable time

[1:19:45] Voice 12: upon any lot to the regulations of this bylaw dot dot dot my question is what is reasonable

[1:19:50] Voice 12: and who determines what is reasonable there is no definition of reasonable in the bylaw nor whom

[1:19:56] Voice 12: deems reasonability being reasonable then is open to subjectivity interpretation and judgment

[1:20:02] Voice 12: so i defer to the dictionary definition of reasonable and it means to be fair practical

[1:20:07] Voice 12: and sensible how is it fair practical and sensible then for bylaw enforcement officers to cooperate

[1:20:14] Voice 12: with other jurisdiction officers enter a property unannounced unbeknownst to the property owner

[1:20:19] Voice 12: and investigate issues without her consent or knowing or input.

[1:20:23] Voice 12: Not only is this not reasonable, but these behaviours do not adhere to best practices

[1:20:27] Voice 12: as set out in the Ombudspresent Report on Best Practices for Bylaw Enforcement.

[1:20:32] Voice 12: At what point do we stop this insanity and regard all people as worthy of dignity and respect?

[1:20:38] Voice 12: Or are we here to wear people down, making it difficult to live in harmony and peace?

[1:20:43] Voice 12: And what is the reason for this insanity?

[1:20:45] Voice 12: sanity to take care of the land we actually need to care for each other and build community

[1:20:50] Voice 12: we need to be warriors for the human spirit and so to you leaders within the islands trust

[1:20:56] Voice 12: who do you choose to be for this time are you willing to use whatever power and influence you

[1:21:02] Voice 12: have to create islands of sanity that evoke and rely on our best human qualities to create

[1:21:07] Voice 12: relate and persevere will you consciously and bravely choose to reclaim leadership as a noble

[1:21:12] Voice 12: profession that creates possibility for humaneness in the midst of increasing fear turmoil and

[1:21:19] Voice 12: insanity will you choose to be a warrior for the human spirit i draw upon the wise teachings from

[1:21:25] Voice 12: margaret wheatley a global leader of change in her book who do we choose to be she uses a powerful

[1:21:30] Voice 12: islands metaphor for hope and change islands of sanity isn't that ironic change doesn't lie in

[1:21:36] Voice 12: systemic change but rather our beingness in the system it relies on our leaders to show us the

[1:21:41] Voice 12: away. Part of our quote island work, that being an island of sanity, involves reclaiming conversations

[1:21:48] Voice 12: and making time to talk and listen to each other and being reasonable. Listening, seeking to

[1:21:54] Voice 12: understand, conflict resolution and problem solving skills are vital to community. These

[1:21:59] Voice 12: restorative skills are processes that reawaken our powers of cognition, re-institute thinking and

[1:22:04] Voice 12: redirect our attention to one another. We need to simplify the rules, overhaul the bylaws with

[1:22:10] Voice 12: community engagement, overhaul the enforcement process, stop anonymous reporting, use critical

[1:22:16] Voice 12: thinking skills to assess the situations, and actually be reasonable. Bylaw enforcement should

[1:22:22] Voice 12: be halted until this overhaul is done. The time is now to all be warriors for the human spirit.

[1:22:27] Voice 12: Thank you very much. Enjoy your evening.

[1:22:31] Voice 21: Thank you very much. I'm going to turn to Jennifer

[1:22:35] Voice 21: Jennifer Marguson asked her to be promoted.

[1:22:44] Voice 8: Hello, Jennifer, are you there?

[1:22:46] Voice 8: Can you hear us?

[1:22:47] Voice 8: I am.

[1:22:47] Voice 7: I am.

[1:22:48] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[1:22:49] Voice 7: And good evening to all the members of the Trust Council.

[1:22:53] Voice 7: I have a couple of comments and requests to make of all members of the Trust Council.

[1:22:58] Voice 7: The first is that I would ask all trustees to carefully read a letter that has come to

[1:23:04] Voice 7: my attention, a letter that was recently sent to you all by a retiring trustee entitled

[1:23:10] Voice 7: titled Welcome to New Trustees, advising you of some very important considerations as you approach

[1:23:17] Voice 7: your work as a member of your island's LTC and as a member of Trust Council. These are dual and

[1:23:25] Voice 7: challenging roles and I believe there is much misunderstanding and therefore much conflict in

[1:23:32] Voice 7: our island communities about the island's trust that this letter addresses quite clearly. In

[1:23:40] Voice 7: In particular, this letter outlines the differences between the Islands Trust and a municipal government

[1:23:45] Voice 7: and emphasizes that by definition, the Islands Trust is not a local government,

[1:23:52] Voice 7: but a public trust established by the province of BC with a single overarching purpose defined by the mandate or the object of the trust.

[1:24:02] Voice 7: Reading from the letter, it states that the preserve and protect mandate takes precedence over the wishes of community members if they conflict with the object of the trust.

[1:24:15] Voice 7: The legal imperative is to prioritize the mandate, and that is the most controversial aspect of the trust and the most difficult for trustees to administer when dealing with zoning and development proposals.

[1:24:30] Voice 7: proposals public outcry is hard to ignore but much of the upset and ill will of community members

[1:24:38] Voice 7: is a direct result of trustees and residents not understanding the trust's unique conservation

[1:24:45] Voice 7: mandate and its implications for land use planning throughout the trust area unquote

[1:24:52] Voice 7: i would ask you and i would like to see our island communities become more informed

[1:24:58] Voice 7: through your work as Trust Council and LTC members of the purpose of the Trust and its

[1:25:06] Voice 7: legislated limitations as expressed in this letter. My second comment and request as you

[1:25:13] Voice 7: approach further work on the Trust Policy Statement is to look carefully at the diligent

[1:25:19] Voice 7: work of a community member you have just heard from, Michael Sketch, who has appeared frequently

[1:25:24] Voice 7: before the Trust Council as he has tonight to present his analysis and remedies for clear and

[1:25:31] Voice 7: more effective trust policy statement. It has taken me a while to get my head around, but he

[1:25:37] Voice 7: has identified as a central problem with the structure and therefore the implementation of

[1:25:43] Voice 7: the trust policy statement, but I believe he is correct. The trust policy statement for all the

[1:25:49] Voice 7: work already done on it and all the work yet to be done will continue to be an ineffective document

[1:25:56] Voice 7: to guide your decisions around land use planning and a very confusing document for the public

[1:26:03] Voice 7: who might expect that its directives can be relied upon to have force and effect when in fact they do

[1:26:11] Voice 7: not. I have experienced this disconnect myself on my island in connection with a development

[1:26:18] Voice 7: application when it came to the directive of freshwater resources. What I thought would be

[1:26:24] Voice 7: protective aspects of this directive were not at all applied in the decision-making process

[1:26:30] Voice 7: as they were supposedly addressed in our OCP. In fact, they were revealed as just words on paper

[1:26:40] Voice 7: with no protective force or effect at all.

[1:26:43] Voice 7: I ask that you pay attention to the very real problems

[1:26:48] Voice 7: of the implementation of the trust policy statement

[1:26:52] Voice 7: in your upcoming deliberations on it.

[1:26:56] Voice 7: Thank you very much for your time.

[1:26:58] Voice 21: Thank you very much, Jennifer.

[1:27:03] Voice 21: Next speaker I see on my list is Dale Chandler.

[1:27:07] Voice 21: um ask you him to be promoted as well please can

[1:27:25] Voice 8: you hear me there

[1:27:27] Voice 9: you are yeah

[1:27:28] Voice 8: we can hear you

[1:27:28] Voice 9: okay okay my name is dale chandler yes i am a resident of salt spring and i am the mother of

[1:27:35] Voice 9: miel chandler who just gave a delegation i want to convey to you a little of my personal experience

[1:27:43] Voice 9: experience here on this lovely island I have experienced more stress than anywhere I have

[1:27:51] Voice 9: ever lived in my 80 years after nearly five years of living here I am exasperated frustrated alarmed

[1:28:00] Voice 9: and incensed by what appears as ongoing targeting of and trespassing on our property by by law

[1:28:09] Voice 9: enforcement when it is really unwarranted. This can be verified through existing documentation

[1:28:16] Voice 9: submitted over these years to you. I am not alone. There are others who actually fear

[1:28:26] Voice 9: speaking out about their grievances, anticipating enforcement reprisal. This puts into question

[1:28:35] Voice 9: the state and practice of democracy here. As a result, I believe people's trust in the trust

[1:28:44] Voice 9: corrodes from this. I would hope this to be taken very seriously by the trust council.

[1:28:52] Voice 9: I recommend initiating the following two action steps. Number one, a public inquiry into bylaw

[1:29:03] Voice 9: enforcement practices. It is essential that this inquiry collect and analyze people's experiences

[1:29:13] Voice 9: and ensure that all sectors and interest groups are represented. Number two action step,

[1:29:23] Voice 9: please halt all bylaw enforcement until the inquiry is concluded and new legislation

[1:29:32] Voice 9: legislation from this public process is brought forward thank you very much and

[1:29:38] Voice 9: good luck with the rest of your work that

[1:29:44] Voice 21: does it for our speakers today

[1:29:48] Voice 21: I'll just ask one more time if there's anybody else who wishes to address Council at this time

[1:30:00] Voice 21: Not seeing any hands, so I'm going to thank all of you that have come to speak to us today

[1:30:06] Voice 21: and all of you that have viewed presentations that you've seen.

[1:30:11] Voice 21: And, Council, thank you for joining us late into the evening here.

[1:30:15] Voice 21: And we will recess at this time, and we will be reconvening here at 9 o'clock tomorrow morning.

[1:30:23] Voice 21: And at this juncture, just so that you have a bit of a heads-up and can do some preparatory reading

[1:30:30] Voice 21: in advance of the meeting, if you so choose.

[1:30:32] Voice 21: But we're going to move on to 6.44 through 6.11 on our agenda.

[1:30:39] Voice 21: First thing in the morning, putting off the Standards of Conduct,

[1:30:42] Voice 21: Conflict of Interest and FOI session until a later time and place.

[1:30:48] Voice 21: And that may be an online webinar or something,

[1:30:52] Voice 21: but trying to make space for the financial discussion,

[1:30:57] Voice 21: discussion as well as some of the other items that we have been unable to get to today and so

[1:31:02] Voice 21: look forward to seeing you all in the morning nine o'clock thank you very much council call us recess

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Trust Council 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
December 6-8, 2022 
Electronic Meeting/Islands Trust Boardroom 
200 - 1627 Fort Street, Victoria, BC 
 
Executive Present: 
 
 
 
 
Trustees Present: 
1. Peter Luckham, Chair, Thetis Island (Victoria boardroom) 
2. Tobi Elliott, Vice-Chair, Gabriola Island 
3. David Maude, Vice-Chair, Mayne Island 
4. Tim Peterson, Vice-Chair, Lasqueti Island 
 
5. Sam Borthwick, Denman Island  
6. David Graham, Denman Island  
7. Dag Falck, South Pender Island 
8. Ken Hunter, Thetis Island  
9. Deb Morrison, North Pender Island 
10. Joe Bernardo, Keats/Gambier Island 
11. Kate-Louise Stamford, Gambier Island  
12. Susan Yates, Gabriola Island (Victoria boardroom) 
13. Alex Allen, Hornby Island  
14. Kristina Evans, South Pender Island  
 
15. Sue Ellen Fast, Bowen Island Municipality 
 
16. Grant Scott, Hornby Island (regrets) 
17. Mikaila Lironi, Lasqueti Island 
 
18. Laura Patrick, Salt Spring Island  
 
19. Mairead Boland, Saturna Island  
 
20. Lee Middleton, Saturna Island  
 
21. Ben Mabberley, Galiano Island  
 
22. Aaron Campbell, North Pender Island  
 
23. Jamie Harris, North Pender Islands Trust 
24. Lisa Gauvreau, Galiano Island 
25. Judi Gedye, Bowen Island Municipality 
26. Jeanine Dodds, Mayne Island 
 
Staff Present:   Chief Administrative Officer, Russ Hotsenpiller (Victoria boardroom) 
Director, Legislative Services, David Marlor (Victoria boardroom) 
Director, Trust Area Services, Clare Frater (Victoria boardroom) 
Director, Administrative Service, Julia Mobbs  
Director, Planning Services, Stefan Cermak  
Senior Policy Advisor, Dilani Hippola  
Executive Coordinator/Recorder, Lori Foster (Victoria boardroom) 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 
 
The meeting was conducted electronically from the Victoria boardroom where the public could see and 
hear the proceedings which were recorded, livestreamed and made available for electronic attendance. 
 
It was noted there were 87 total livestream views on Tuesday, December 6, which included the 7:00 
p.m. Delegations/Public Comment evening session. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
 Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 1:01 p.m. stating gratitude to work and live on 
Coast Salish First Nations traditional and treaty territory.  He recognized the work of Maynard 
Johnny Jr., Indigenous artist, whose work adorned the shirt he was wearing and Forbes Hall on 
Thetis Island, depicting stories of Thunderbird, Wolf and Human. 
 
Chair Luckham conducted a roll call, there were 25 trustees present offering First Nations land 
acknowledgements. 
 
Trustee Scott sent regrets, that he would be unable to attend the 3-day meeting. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
Discussion ensued on: 
 That the minutes of the November Trust Council meeting were not on the agenda,  
 Allowing more time for disposition of delegations, 
 Addition of Governance Committee elections late item 4.5 circulated. 
 
By general consent, the agenda approved, with the addition of late item 4.5 Governance 
Committee elections. 
 
3. GENERAL BUSINESS ARISING 
 
3.1 Trust Council Follow Up Action List 
 
Receive for information. 
 
3.2 September Trust Council draft minutes 
 
It was noted that these are last term’s council’s minutes. 
 
By general consent, the September Trust Council draft minutes were adopted as 
presented. 
 
3.3 Trustee Round Table 
 
Trustees spoke in anticipation of holding their first local trust committee meetings and 
the work ahead in the coming new year. 
 
 

 
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 4. EXECUTIVE 
 
4.1 Council Committee Ratification for 2022-2026 - RFD 
 
Chair Luckham spoke to the ratification of the council committee appointments as 
presented in the request for decision (RFD).   
 
Chair Luckham called for further expressions of interest to the standing committees. 
 
Trustees Boland, Lironi and Morrison expressed interest in appointment to the Regional 
Planning Committee. 
 
TC-2022-137 
It was Moved by Trustee Luckham and Seconded by Trustee Yates, 
THAT Trust Council ratify the following appointments to Trust Programs Committee, 
Regional Planning Committee and Financial Planning Committee:  
1. Trust Programs Committee (TPC): Sam Borthwick, Kristina Evans, Alex Allen, 
Jamie Harris, Tim Peterson (EC appointment), Sue Ellen Fast, Chair Luckham 
(ex-officio) 
2. Regional Planning Committee (RPC): Laura Patrick, Aaron Campbell, Alex Allen, 
David Graham, Sam Borthwick,  Tobi Elliott (EC appointment), Chair Luckham 
(ex-officio), Mairead Boland, Mikaila Lironi, Deb Morrison. 
3. Financial Planning Committee (FPC): Mairead Boland, Joe Bernardo, David 
Graham, TPC representative (vacant), RPC representative (vacant), David 
Maude (EC) Tim Peterson (EC), Tobi Elliott (EC), Peter Luckham (EC). 
CARRIED 
 
4.2 Notice of Motion from Previous Meeting 
 
4.2.1 Report on potential new Reconciliation Committee - Trustee Elliott - RFD 
 
Trustee Elliott spoke to the request for decision (RFD) as presented. 
 
TC-2022-138 
It was Moved by Trustee Elliott and Seconded by Trustee Yates, 
That Trust Council request staff to prepare a report regarding options for 
resourcing and supporting a new Select Committee on Reconciliation, with 
recommendations as to how the Select Committee on Reconciliation’s terms of 
reference, composition and purpose would be determined. 
 
TC-2022-139 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Patrick, 
That motion TC-2022-138 be amended to include “by the March 2023 Trust 
Council meeting” after the word report. 
CARRIED 
 
 
 
 

 
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TC-2022-140 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Boland, 
That the discussion on amended motion TC-2022-138 be postponed until after 
the reconciliation discussion tomorrow. 
CARRIED 
 
4.2.2 In-person Trust Council meetings in 2023-24 - Trustee Yates - RFD 
 
Trustee Yates spoke to the request for decision (RFD) as presented.  Discussion 
ensued. 
 
TC-2022-141 
It was Moved by Trustee Yates and Seconded by Trustee Maude, 
That Trust Council ensure that the 2023/24 Budget allows for four in-person 
Council meetings.  
CARRIED 
 
The meeting recessed at 3:05 p.m. and reconvened at 3:15 p.m. 
 
By general consent, item 5.1 was addressed next. 
 
5.1 Policy Statement Amendment Project Overview - Session Outline 
 
Senior Policy Advisor Hippola presented a PowerPoint titled “Islands 2050 Policy 
Statement Amendment Project Orientation Session for Trust Council 2022-2026. 
 
Trustee Morrison, last term’s Chair of Trust Programs Committee, encouraged all 
trustees to review the current project charter. 
 
By general consent, item 6. was addressed next. 
 
6. BUSINESS 
 
Director of Administrative Services Mobbs spoke to the following items as presented. 
 
6.1 Financial Planning Committee Work Program 
 
TC-2022-142 
It was Moved by Trustee Peterson and Seconded by Trustee Yates, 
That Trust Council approve Financial Planning Committee's work program as presented. 
 
CARRIED 
6.2 Q2 Financial Report to September 30, 2022 – RFD 
 
TC-2022-143 
It was Moved by Trustee Yates and Seconded by Trustee Boland, 
That Trust Council approve the September 30, 2022, Financial Report as presented. 
 
CARRIED 

 
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6.3 Q2 Financial Forecast – BRF 
 
The Financial Forecast as at September 30, 2022 was received for information. 
 
6.4 Draft 2023/24 Budget Review 
 
DAS Mobbs spoke to the budget as presented in the following items.   
6.4.1 Budget Session Outline 
6.4.2 Budget Assumptions and Principles - Briefing 
6.4.3 Summary of Budget Amendments by FPC – BRF 
 
Questions and answers followed. 
 
At 5:00 p.m., Trustee Allen left the meeting. 
 
Discussion ensued on the budget process, strategic planning, public engagement and a 
zero percent increase in taxes. 
 
The meeting recessed for a break at 5:17 p.m.  
 
The meeting reconvened at 7:00 p.m. 
 
There were 12 members of the public attending electronically. 
 
7. DELEGATIONS / PUBLIC COMMENT 
 
The following delegation presentations, as presented in the agenda package, were heard: 
 
7.1 David Dunnison - A review of carbon storage and carbon storage potential within the 
Islands Trust Area 
 
7.2 Mielle Chandler - Democracy, peace and the bylaw enforcement system 
 
7.3 Mary Beth Rondeau - Reducing our carbon footprint and promoting resilience and 
adaptability 
 
7.4 Michael Sketch – Trust Policy Statement Rewrite 
 
7.5 Public Comments 
 
Chair Luckham opened the floor to public comments. 
 
Maxine Leichter made seven recommendations on how to control the budget 1. not 
adding further staff positions 2. implementation of only one project per local trust 
committee 3. hold only two in-person council meetings 4. cut the budget on public 
engagement 5. strict limits on the number of advocacy items 6. don’t add another 
committee for First Nations 7. conduct a management review on more ways to save 
money. 
 

 
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Dori Howard spoke in support of Mielle Chandler’s delegation presentation on bylaw 
enforcement and halting bylaw enforcement. 
 
Jennifer Margison spoke in support of Michael Sketch’s delegation regarding the Policy 
Statement amendment project. 
 
Dale Chandler spoke in support of a public inquiry into bylaw enforcement practices and 
halting all bylaw enforcement. 
 
By general consent, the meeting was recessed for the day at 8:30 p.m. 
 
Wednesday, December 7, 2022 
 
It was noted there were 87 livestream views on December 7
th
 and four electronic attendees. 
 
Chair Luckham reconvened the meeting at 9:01 a.m. noting a quorum of 24 trustees present.  Trustees 
Bernardo and Scott sent regrets. 
 
Chair Luckham continued with agenda item 6.4.4. 
 
Director of Administrative Services (DAS) Mobbs reviewed and spoke to the following items, and 
answered trustee questions. 
6.4.4 Draft 2023/24 Budget Overview - BRF 
6.4.5 Budget Detail, Numeric 
6.4.6 Strategic Plan Projects - Budget Requests 
6.4.7 LTC Projects - Budget Requests and Feasibility 
6.4.8 Operational Projects & Staffing - Budget Requests 
6.4.9 ITC Board - Budget Request 
6.4.10 Business Cases Not Advanced 
 
By general consent, item 8.2 was addressed next. 
 
8.2 First Nations Session / Reconciliation Action Plan - Session Outline 
 
Reece Harding, legal council with Young Anderson, presented a PowerPoint titled “Local 
Governments and Indigenous Peoples: Some Foundational Legal Principles” which was 
made available to trustees. 
 
The meeting recessed for a break at 11:05 a.m. and reconvened at 11:15 a.m. 
 
A question and answer session followed.  Comments followed on capacity funding, the 
referral process, fee simple lands and Crown land. 
 
The meeting recessed for lunch at 11:52 a.m. and reconvened at 12:50 p.m. 
 

 
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By general consent, item 4.5 was addressed next. 
 
4.5 Election of Chair of the Governance Committee - RFD  
 
Chair Luckham spoke to the request for decision which was circulated as a late item. 
 
Discussion followed. 
 
TC-2022-144 
It was Moved by Trustee Luckham and Seconded by Trustee Yates, 
That Trust Council adopt amended Trust Council Policy 2.3.1 [Council Committee 
System] dated December 6, 2022 that specifies that the Chair of the Governance 
Committee be elected by Trust Council from amongst its membership.  
DEFEATED 
By general consent, item 8.5 was addressed next. 
 
8.5 Governance Committee Election - Session Outline 
 
Director of Legislative Services (DLS) spoke to the election process. 
 
By general consent, item 8.5 was deferred until Trustee Bernardo could join the 
meeting. 
 
By general consent, Chair Luckham continued with a speakers list addressing budget 
business cases under item 6.4.4. 
 
At 2:00 p.m., Trustee Bernardo joined the meeting. 
 
DLS Marlor continued with the elections process for the Governance Committee.  
 
DLS Marlor called three times for nominations which were recorded as follows: 
 
Nominee Moved by: Seconded by: Accepted (Yes/No) 
Bernardo Morrison Campbell Yes 
Stamford Peterson Yates Yes 
Evans Falck Fast Yes 
Harris Boland Dodds Yes 
Morrison Mabberley Bernardo Yes 
Gedye Fast Yates Yes 
Middleton Evans Mabberley Yes 
Patrick Elliott Yate Yes 
Falck Campbell Dodds Yes 
Peterson Allen Boland Yes 
Campbell Falck Boland Yes 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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TC-2022-145 
It was Moved by Trustee Luckham and Seconded by Trustee Morrison, 
That Trustee Maude be appointed scrutineer for this ballot. 
CARRIED 
 
The meeting recessed for a break at 3:10 p.m. and reconvened at 3:25 p.m. 
 
Chair Luckham announced that the electronic ballots for the election of the Governance 
Committee were now distributed and called on trustees to vote. 
 
DLS Marlor and Trustee Maude met in a separate electronic meeting to count the votes 
for the election of the Governance Committee. 
 
By general consent, Trust Council continued discussing budget business cases as 
presented. 
 
TC-2022-146 
It was Moved by Trustee Middleton and Seconded by Trustee Boland, 
That the draft budget be referred back to Financial Planning Committee with a request 
they re-draft the budget to the status quo for presentation back to the March Trust 
Council. 
 
TC-2022-147 
It was Moved by Trustee Middleton and Seconded by Trustee Campbell, 
That TC-2022-146 be amended by replacing the words status quo with “to reflect 
approved fiscal 2022/23 spending levels, plus an amount for inflation as represented by 
the Statistics Canada December CPI report.” 
CARRIED 
 
Chair Luckham called the vote on TC-2022-146 as amended.  
 
TC-2022-146 (as amended) 
That the draft budget be referred back to Financial Planning Committee with a request 
they re-draft the budget to reflect approved fiscal 2022/23 spending levels, plus an 
amount for inflation as represented by the Statistics Canada December CPI report. 
 
DEFEATED 
 
By general consent, Trust Council addressed the Governance Committee election results 
next. 
 
DLS Marlor announced that there was a tie for the seventh position, therefore a further 
election would be held between two tied candidates to determine a winner. He further 
advised thatballots had been emailed to all trustees which would be counted by the 
scrutineer and himself. 
 
Chair Luckham asked trustees to vote on the tie-breaker, the results pending. 
 
By general consent, Trust Council continued with budget discussions. 

 
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TC-2022-148 
It was Moved by Trustee Graham and Seconded by Trustee Peterson, 
That Trust Council direct Staff to draw a further $79,000 from General Revenue Surplus 
Fund to reduce the shortfall in the draft 2023/2024 budget, and that this surplus draw 
be allocated to the cost of the Accessibility Plan Development ($2,500), with the 
remainder allocated to non-planning staff salaries to acknowledge the higher than 
anticipated increase to union staff salaries in the new BCGEU agreement. 
CARRIED 
 
TC-2022-149 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Yates, 
That Trust Council direct Financial Planning Committee to approve a revised draft 
budget and process for public engagement. 
CARRIED 
 
Trustee Allen left the meeting at 5:15 p.m. 
 
By general consent, Trust Council addressed the results of the Governance Committee 
next. 
 
DLS Marlor announced the following seven trustees were elected to the Governance 
Committee: Stamford, Bernardo, Gedye, Harris, Middleton, Peterson and Patrick. 
 
By general consent, the meeting recessed for the day at 5:39 p.m. 
Thursday, December 8, 2022 
 
Chair Luckham reconvened the meeting at 9:00 a.m.  24 trustees present. It was reported there were 56 
livestream views on December 8. 
 
By general consent, Trust Council postponed orientation sessions 8.1 Standards of Conduct/Conflict of 
Interest/ FOI - Session Outline, 8.3 Strategic Plan Review - Session Outline, and 8.4 Planning Services/ 
Local Trust Committee Session. 
 
8.6 ELI MINA AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER - SESSION OUTLINE 
 
Eli Mina, Certified Parliamentarian, presented a PowerPoint titled “Robert’s Rules and 
Responsible Governance” as a companion to the 14 page insert at 8.6 of the agenda 
package. 
 
The meeting and presentation recessed for break at 10:50 a.m. and reconvened at 11:00 a.m.  
 
Eli Mina presented Part 2 of the PowerPoint. 
 
Questions and answers followed. 
 
By general consent, at 11:48 a.m. Trust Council resumed with remaining and reordered business items. 
 
4.2.1 Report on potential new Reconciliation Committee - Trustee Elliott - RFD 

 
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Chair Luckham addressed motion TC-2022-140 then called the vote on deferred 
motion TC-2022-138 as amended. 
 
TC-2022-138 (as amended) 
That Trust Council request staff to prepare a report by the March 2023 Trust 
Council meeting regarding options for resourcing and supporting a new Select 
Committee on Reconciliation, with recommendations as to how the Select 
Committee on Reconciliation’s terms of reference, composition and purpose 
would be determined. 
CARRIED 
4.2.2 In-person Trust Council meetings in 2023-24 - Trustee Yates - RFD 
 
TC-2022-150 
It was Moved by Trustee Yates and Seconded by Trustee Evans, 
That Trust Council schedule at least two of the in-person Council meetings to 
take place on the Islands our mandate pertains to. 
CARRIED 
 
4.3 Proposed Trust Council Schedule 2023 – RFD 
 
TC-2022-151 
It was Moved by Trustee Patrick and Seconded by Trustee Fast, 
That Trust Council adopt the following meeting dates for its 2023 schedule: 
March 7-9, June 27-29, September 26-28, and December 5-7.  
CARRIED 
 
TC-2022-152 
It was Moved by Trustee Fast and Seconded by Trustee Yates, 
That Trust Council adopt the following meeting locations and for its 2023 
schedule: March (in‑person, Nanaimo), June (pending), September (pending), 
December (in‑person, Victoria).  
CARRIED 
4.4 June Trust Council Provincial Review – Briefing 
 
TC-2022-153 
It was Moved by Trustee Peterson and Seconded by Trustee Gauvreau, 
THAT item 4.4 be postponed to a future Trust Council meeting for consideration.  
 
TC-2022-154 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Patrick, 
That motion TC-2022-153 be amended replacing the words “a future” with the words 
“the March 2023”. 
CARRIED 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Chair Luckham called the question on motion TC-2022-153 as amended. 
 
TC-2022-153 (as amended) 
THAT item 4.4 be postponed to the March 2023 Trust Council meeting for consideration.  
 
CARRIED 
 
TC-2022-155 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Graham, 
That Trust Council refer item 4.4 to the Governance Committee for discussion prior to 
the March 2023 meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
5.2 NAPTEP Certificate Completion Extension SSI LTA- RFD 
 
TC-2022-156 
It was Moved by Trustee Yates and Seconded by Trustee Patrick, 
That the Islands Trust Council extend the timeline for issuing the Natural Area 
Exemption Certificate for Natural Area Protection Tax Exemption Program application 
SS-NAP-2020.3 (Salt Spring Island) until December 2024. 
CARRIED 
 
5.3 Recommended Islands Trust Council Representative and Alternate Attendee for DFO 
Shellfish Aquaculture Management Advisory Committee – RFD 
 
TC-2022-157 
It was Moved by Trustee Fast and Seconded by Trustee Allen, 
That item 5.3 be postponed to the March 2023 Trust Council meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
6.4.11 Special Tax Requisition Request – RFD 
 
TC-2022-158 
It was Moved by Trustee Peterson and Seconded by Trustee Patrick, 
That Trust Council approve, in concept, the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee’s request for a 2023/24 special tax requisition to fund work 
associated with delegated powers under Bylaw No. 154, in the amount of 
$75,500, and that the project be put forward for public consultation. 
CARRIED 
9. DISPOSITION OF DELEGATIONS 
 
The following actions were requested regarding the delegation presentations as shown: 
 
Re: Item 7.1 David Dunnison - A review of carbon storage and carbon storage potential within 
the Islands Trust Area 
 
 
 

 
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TC-2022-159 
It was Moved by Trustee Boland and Seconded by Trustee Graham, 
That Trust Council requests staff work with the delegate (David Dunnison) on his assertion with 
respect to Carbon Storage numbers, and respond to Trust Council on findings and next steps 
such as further peer review and revision to Islands Trust communications on Carbon Storage 
facts. 
 
TC-2022-160 
It was Moved by Trustee Bernardo and Seconded by Trustee Dodds, 
That motion TC-2022-159 be amended to remove the words “work with” and replace with the 
word “engage.” 
 
CARRIED 
 
Chair Luckham called the question on TC-2022-159 as amended. 
 
TC-2022-159 (as amended) 
That Trust Council requests staff engage the delegate (David Dunnison) on his assertion with 
respect to Carbon Storage numbers, and respond to Trust Council on findings and next steps 
such as further peer review and revision to Islands Trust communications on Carbon Storage 
facts. 
 
CARRIED 
 
TC-2022-161 
It was Moved by Trustee Harris and Seconded by Trustee Peterson, 
That Islands Trust Council request staff to promptly inform the Province that it no longer wishes 
to proceed with its request that the Province enhance the Trust's jurisdiction over tree cutting 
bylaws to make its jurisdiction equal to that of municipalities under section 8 of the Community 
Charter, and also request staff to remove the task from Trust Council’s follow-up action list. 
 
TC-2022-162 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Gedye, 
That Trust Council postpone motion TC-2022-161 to the March Trust Council meeting. 
 
CARRIED 
 
TC-2022-163 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Harris, 
That Executive Committee and staff do not pursue conversations with the Province around tree 
cutting until after the March 2023 meeting. 
 
CARRIED 
 
 
 
 
Re Item: 7.2 Mielle Chandler - Democracy, peace and the bylaw enforcement system 

 
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TC-2022-164 
It was Moved by Trustee Morrison and Seconded by Trustee Borthwick, 
That Trust Council requests that Executive Committee include a session on bylaw enforcement 
policy and practice in the March 2023 Trust Council meeting agenda.  
CARRIED 
 
Trustee Campbell gave notice of his intention to propose a motion at the March Trust Council 
meeting that Trust Council suspend the proactive enforcement model and all associated files 
pending a full review of bylaw enforcement by a non partisan third party that is at arms length 
from the trust to ensure that complaints are free of bias of predetermined guilt, including a right 
to appeal, and a neutral body to appeal to, and that any complaint driven enforcement be 
vetted through the local trust council to ensure fairness in keeping with each island uniqueness 
with the goal of creating a new model bylaw enforcement based on fairness and democratic 
principle. 
 
Re: Item 7.3 Mary Beth Rondeau - Reducing our carbon footprint and promoting resilience and 
adaptability 
 
Trustee Morrison asked the minutes record that the “Declare a Climate Emergency and Intensify 
Islands Trust Climate Action Request for Decision” from the March 12, 2019 meeting of Trust 
Council was trustee written authored by herself in collaboration with former Trustee Scott 
Colbourne.  Staff provided editing and revision. 
 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
 
10.1 M. Gang re: need for review and restructure email dated November 10, 2022 
 
TC-2022-165 
It was Moved by Trustee Boland and Seconded by Trustee Elliott, 
That item 10.1 M. Gang re: need for review and restructure email dated November 10, 
2022, be forwarded to the Governance Committee for their consideration. 
CARRIED 
11. NEW BUSINESS - None 
 
12. NEXT MEETING 
 
The next meeting is scheduled to be held in-person March 7, 8 and 9 in Nanaimo. 
13. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 1:54 p.m. 
 
_________________________ 
Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
Certified Correct 
 
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Lori Foster/Executive Coordinator