Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, January 23, 2023

[0:00:01] Voice 2: I believe we are now live.

[0:00:06] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:00:07] Voice 2: All right.

[0:00:10] Voice 2: Thank you, everybody.

[0:00:11] Voice 2: Thank

[0:00:12] Trustee Elliott: you, Will, for your help.

[0:00:13] Trustee Elliott: And thank you for joining us at this meeting,

[0:00:15] Trustee Elliott: the inaugural meeting of the Luskegee Local Trust Committee for 2023.

[0:00:22] Trustee Elliott: I want to begin this meeting by acknowledging that we are so fortunate

[0:00:26] Trustee Elliott: to be able to gather today on the traditional territory,

[0:00:30] Trustee Elliott: the Coast Salish peoples of Qualicum, Tsanawas, and Llamin,

[0:00:35] Trustee Elliott: on whose lands and waters the Islands Trust and Hoyete, thank you, Liskiti Island is located.

[0:00:43] Trustee Elliott: We acknowledge the historical relationship to the land, culture, and spirit of this place

[0:00:48] Trustee Elliott: continues to this day. My name is Toby Elliott. I'm elected on Gabriela Island,

[0:00:56] Trustee Elliott: and I'm chair of the Liskiti Island Local Trust Committee. Thankful to be serving with

[0:01:02] Trustee Elliott: trustees Tim Peterson, Michaela Laroni who are going to be very familiar faces

[0:01:09] Trustee Elliott: and today we make up the Muskegee Local Island Trust Committee. Also joining us today is Andrew

[0:01:15] Trustee Elliott: Fall, Director of the Catholic Regional District's Electoral Area E. Welcome Andrew.

[0:01:25] Trustee Elliott: We have staff members joining us today. Renee, how do you pronounce your last name?

[0:01:31] Trustee Elliott: Gemma Ratt. Gemma Ratt. Thank you so much. Who is a regional planning manager and just recently

[0:01:37] Trustee Elliott: joined the team early in the year. And you're from Fort Lake John most recently. Awesome. Thank you

[0:01:44] Trustee Elliott: for coming. And Sonia Zupanek, our island planner in the North Island offices. And joining via Zoom

[0:01:52] Trustee Elliott: is Catherine Vogt. Sorry, Vogt? Vogt, yes. Vogt, forgive me. Yes. Minute taker who takes minutes

[0:01:59] Trustee Elliott: for many meetings across the trust area this meeting is being live streamed and recorded

[0:02:05] Trustee Elliott: for those who are unable to attend in person today the recording will be available on the islands

[0:02:10] Trustee Elliott: trust website in the next few days this meeting is an official quorum for your local trust committee

[0:02:17] Trustee Elliott: to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business so it is a business

[0:02:23] Trustee Elliott: business place um and so and this is our place of employment despite the fact that staff are some of

[0:02:30] Trustee Elliott: staff are in their own homes um staff do have the right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:02:36] Trustee Elliott: uh just a few things if you're addressing the LTC in the town hall portion uh speakers are requested

[0:02:44] Trustee Elliott: to direct your comments to the LTC um we are at the decision makers and not to the audience or

[0:02:51] Trustee Elliott: staff we ask that you speak to the issue at hand and not other individuals in the community

[0:02:58] Trustee Elliott: and be clear concise and respectful and please address issues that are within our scope or

[0:03:03] Trustee Elliott: jurisdiction um what else i think we can move to approving the agenda if do you think i've

[0:03:12] Trustee Elliott: covered everything this is my first time sharing an ltc meeting so i am your

[0:03:18] Voice 6: very first one my

[0:03:19] Trustee Elliott: very first one well congratulations

[0:03:21] Trustee Elliott: yeah you guys get to well

[0:03:23] Voice 6: if you can survive us you can survive

[0:03:24] Voice 6: i

[0:03:25] Trustee Elliott: feel like i'm starting in a place of really open sort of you're not gonna be angry at me if

[0:03:34] Trustee Elliott: i mess up right no thank you okay um so the approval of the agenda is there anything that

[0:03:41] Trustee Elliott: needs to be added or adapted um if not i will accept by general consent the approval of the

[0:03:51] Trustee Elliott: agenda and okay the next item rising report uh there's nothing i believe there's no in-camera

[0:04:00] Trustee Elliott: business to write a report from so we'll move to the uh report section so trustee reports

[0:04:07] Trustee Elliott: reports and then the chair and then the electoral area directors report so trustees Leroni Peterson

[0:04:14] Trustee Elliott: do you have anything you want to share sure

[0:04:16] Voice 6: hello everyone and welcome to a new year and a new local

[0:04:20] Voice 6: trust committee and I see we've got some members of the of the public here almost as many as we

[0:04:28] Voice 6: might usually expect and um yeah so it's been a bit of a busy time for me with the

[0:04:36] Voice 6: chairing the other uh local trust committees i've done one each on cornbeet salt spring and galliano

[0:04:42] Voice 6: and uh january was a busy month for all of the committees being reconstituted all the committees

[0:04:48] Voice 6: of trust council uh this term i'm sitting on the uh trust programs committee again

[0:04:59] Voice 6: and as a member of the executive committee i'm automatically on a financial planning committee

[0:05:05] Voice 6: and i was elected by trust council to the new governance committee so all of that's good

[0:05:12] Voice 6: important stuff and we've got a lot of work ahead of us um in terms of our local business here i've

[0:05:20] Voice 6: got uh i've sort of sat down and made a list of some items that i think that uh that uh this local

[0:05:28] Voice 6: trust committee might consider um addressing this term and i'll just really quickly run through a

[0:05:36] Voice 6: couple of them that i've noted uh uh considering uh reinstating the second town hall opportunity

[0:05:42] Voice 6: for the public uh accommodations for persons with disabilities um might want to look at amending our

[0:05:54] Voice 6: land use bylaw the subdivision regulations as there was an example of how the um

[0:06:02] Voice 6: using four hectares uh when it blows into larger uh lot sizes actually instead of 4.04

[0:06:12] Voice 6: can actually allow an extra lot on on a on a larger subdivision and if there's a really big

[0:06:17] Voice 6: one it could allow several more lots so i think we might want to look at that and uh

[0:06:24] Voice 6: in our package today there's a a potential amendment for the strategy for antenna systems

[0:06:31] Voice 6: that um i'd like us to have a look at and consider uh and that's uh basically we're

[0:06:39] Voice 6: look i've included some language from salt spring island um i don't know that luskete is in any kind

[0:06:47] Voice 6: of imminent situation where a cell uh company wants to put a tower here but all three of the

[0:06:53] Voice 6: local trust committees that i'm sharing have rogers cell tower proposals in ongoing at this

[0:07:01] Voice 6: point and there's a there's a variety of um everything from uh some relief that there

[0:07:11] Voice 6: there's gonna be better cell coverage to a lot of dissatisfaction um in terms of the uh

[0:07:18] Voice 6: the public consultation processes that are have been going on and the way that's sort of played

[0:07:29] Voice 6: out we do have a we've adopted an upgraded like the default is the federal default model

[0:07:39] Voice 6: and so in the absence of that that's that's what happens and it's not a very robust

[0:07:44] Voice 6: last consultation process we did bring in the the trust model as an alternative and this would be

[0:07:53] Voice 6: an enhancement of that specifically this this one that's in the agenda package is really focused on

[0:08:00] Voice 6: First Nations consultation other

[0:08:04] Voice 14: things

[0:08:08] Voice 6: in terms of First Nations we need to I really

[0:08:12] Voice 6: like i'm hoping that the uh senior intergovernmental policy advisor position is filled

[0:08:19] Voice 6: really soon because we need to be able to start working with our first nations

[0:08:23] Voice 6: uh the first nations in the area um to get moving on our official community plan review uh i think

[0:08:31] Voice 6: we've been very respectful over the last year of giving lots of time for that but we also

[0:08:36] Voice 6: i think we would like to be able to complete that project um in you know in good time and move on

[0:08:45] Voice 6: to other business and then the last thing i'll just note that uh the last iteration of the

[0:08:54] Voice 6: ski local trust committee recommended that this trust committee requests a second with the senior

[0:08:58] Voice 6: uh fresh water specialist early in the tournament i think that's a good idea he's he's been here a

[0:09:04] Voice 6: a few times he's worked with our uh beach lake water users society and he's somewhat familiar

[0:09:11] Voice 6: with the island and has lots of interesting

[0:09:14] Voice 5: stuff so that's it for me great

[0:09:17] Trustee Elliott: thank you tim

[0:09:18] Trustee Elliott: trustee laroni well i'm new so i'm going to keep this a little shorter than tim

[0:09:25] Trustee Elliott: um yeah so this is just for me being so much learning and there's been so many meetings to

[0:09:31] Trustee Elliott: learn so i'm actually excited for having this ltc so i can hopefully put some of that information to

[0:09:36] Trustee Elliott: use i'm on the regional planning committee which is exciting for me is it's a much smaller venue

[0:09:46] Trustee Elliott: than our large trust meetings so i feel like i have a lot more impact and

[0:09:51] Voice 2: it's not as terrifying

[0:09:51] Trustee Elliott: speaking

[0:09:52] Voice 2: in front of all those people yeah i'm learning how the trust runs and that's interesting

[0:10:00] Trustee Elliott: there's always people talking about like they do this they do that and so i'm really learning as i

[0:10:04] Trustee Elliott: go and i was part of a meeting with stornamis first nations that about them being here and

[0:10:12] Trustee Elliott: then the woodlot in the south end and it it was really interesting to hear the nation's perspective

[0:10:16] Trustee Elliott: on what they're looking for and what their intentions are with this beauty because yeah

[0:10:23] Trustee Elliott: small communities there's a lot of fear and gossip and getting down to what actually is the story is

[0:10:29] Trustee Elliott: always interesting um yeah so i'm looking forward to today's meeting and that's all i've got i

[0:10:38] Trustee Elliott: neglected to mention that you graciously hosted me overnight so this is my first time on mesquite and

[0:10:47] Trustee Elliott: i'm very grateful that i got the chance to at least see a little bit of the community and your

[0:10:53] Trustee Elliott: beautiful forests before launching into this meeting so um yeah as an update uh from the chair

[0:11:00] Trustee Elliott: I as um a trustee on Gabriela I've lived there for 10 years and um we've been talking about an

[0:11:09] Trustee Elliott: OCP review for a long time so we're about to launch into the preliminary stages of preparing

[0:11:15] Trustee Elliott: for that and so I was really excited to be named as chair for Liskiti because I know your community

[0:11:22] Trustee Elliott: has done a lot of work in consulting with the community and I'm super eager to see what that

[0:11:28] Trustee Elliott: processes look like and and how what we can learn for Gabriel's OCP review um I did launch into the

[0:11:38] Trustee Elliott: Islands Trust work sort of both beat and full immersion uh I'm the liaison for the Islands

[0:11:45] Trustee Elliott: Trust Conservancy um so I can provide a report on that when we get to that part of the agenda

[0:11:51] Trustee Elliott: I'm really pleased to be working on conservancy work, especially as they have a lens for working with First Nations and developing some of the management strategies for conservation areas with the local First Nations.

[0:12:09] Trustee Elliott: So that's going to be really key work.

[0:12:12] Trustee Elliott: I'm on the Regional Planning Committee as well.

[0:12:14] Trustee Elliott: Well, very excited about working with the Northern Gulf Islands to develop some strategies for how rural housing that's appropriate for the Gulf Islands.

[0:12:28] Trustee Elliott: I think that's going to be a big conversation the next four years, and really only working together and having a collaborative voice and working with the province, which sounds like there's an appetite for figuring out how we can do housing in a different way.

[0:12:46] Trustee Elliott: and so yeah i'm just really eager to learn the community concerns here and i won't take up too

[0:12:53] Trustee Elliott: much more time but email me anytime um if you've got questions or concerns or things that you want

[0:13:00] Trustee Elliott: to bring to my attention that are important for this community um anything else i am forgetting

[0:13:08] Trustee Elliott: to i guess i would just say that reconciliation is really important to me so i'm super supportive

[0:13:17] Trustee Elliott: of of your local trustees working together with First Nations too in all of our processes so

[0:13:23] Trustee Elliott: that's that's sort of the lens that I bring to this work um electoral area director report

[0:13:30] Trustee Elliott: anything that uh you would like to a couple little things

[0:13:34] Voice 4: thank you sure so um happy to see

[0:13:37] Voice 4: the meetings start up um it's great uh the regional districts full-on in uh budget discussions

[0:13:46] Voice 4: three versions of our 150 plus page budget which is pretty fun so I

[0:13:51] Voice 4: consider one of the main jobs

[0:13:53] Voice 4: of a local government it's actually a budget that sends the tax rates and it enables all the projects

[0:13:58] Voice 4: so everything else is following from that I'll focus on things that are the relations with

[0:14:04] Voice 4: Islands Trust because there's lots of regional district ones I can talk to the community

[0:14:08] Voice 4: be separately about one is annually we the competitive districts tried hasn't always

[0:14:14] Voice 4: worked annually but the goal is to meet annually between uh myself the chair of the regional

[0:14:21] Voice 4: district the local trust community um that's two caos and maybe senior staff

[0:14:26] Voice 3: to

[0:14:27] Voice 4: talk about areas

[0:14:27] Voice 4: of overlap what would happen jurisdiction and that has been very productive in the past we have a new

[0:14:33] Voice 4: chair for the current chair is Clay Brander. He's from the area C. So that's something

[0:14:40] Voice 4: hopefully we'll be able to do later on in the year. Another and related to that actually

[0:14:45] Voice 4: we talked about sharing data as collections. So recently we did a coastal shoreline flood

[0:14:54] Voice 4: risk mapping project with very detailed data. It was multi-year. We did the mainland and

[0:15:02] Voice 4: the islands and so that can be really useful there's a land use planning on the scheme that

[0:15:06] Voice 4: identifies the areas where the risk of is higher due to exposure you know low bank or line or

[0:15:14] Voice 4: liberal or lines closure to winds so that's uh the data that the island's trust should be able

[0:15:21] Voice 4: to obtain through uh the agreements with the district we also uh have the instigation of

[0:15:28] Voice 4: the director from things say that the regional district will be looking into a that will be

[0:15:35] Voice 4: developing a report on options for affordable housing let's see as you know is not part of

[0:15:41] Voice 4: the planning service so i asked you know are we part of it and the intent is that it's for

[0:15:45] Voice 4: rural affordable housing in rural areas and let's see you will be included in that you know not

[0:15:50] Voice 4: part of the planning service so there'll be this report that will be what will be of use hopefully

[0:15:55] Voice 4: hopefully, to the regional district, hopefully, to the SCE, and then in terms of any implementation

[0:16:01] Voice 4: guidance, of course, to the LPC's

[0:16:04] Voice 5: jurisdiction, not the regional district, and I think that's

[0:16:10] Voice 5: where I'll be at.

[0:16:12] Voice 13: That's wonderful, thank you.

[0:16:15] Voice 6: So, I'm just wondering, Andrea, if you know when that, is that flood risk mapping completed?

[0:16:21] Voice 6: Flood risk,

[0:16:22] Voice 4: so of course it comes out in phases, first it came out in camera, and then there

[0:16:25] Voice 4: some public consultation on it and there's some sensitivities because not everyone loves to see

[0:16:30] Voice 4: their property in the red zone um it kind of causes concerns about reset values and things

[0:16:36] Voice 4: like that so but i do believe the date the data is available uh it's uh so i think if the analyst

[0:16:43] Voice 4: trust staffer reach out to the corresponding spatial data bulk at the regional district

[0:16:52] Voice 4: that they'll be able to get a specific timeline on the availability it'll probably be in you know

[0:16:56] Voice 4: some sort of gis format assume and i think there should be availability and

[0:17:02] Voice 4: there may be some terms

[0:17:03] Voice 4: with it just

[0:17:03] Voice 5: in terms of sensitivity of how it's used and so on because it is sensitive with the

[0:17:10] Voice 5: but

[0:17:11] Voice 7: i think i think the consultant has delivered the data right

[0:17:14] Voice 11: okay thanks

[0:17:17] Voice 11: any questions okay well

[0:17:21] Trustee Elliott: Well, thank you for your report, and that'll be reflected in the minutes.

[0:17:24] Trustee Elliott: We always appreciate hearing how everything is situated in the larger jurisdictional context,

[0:17:31] Trustee Elliott: because we all have to work together, right?

[0:17:36] Trustee Elliott: So we're a little bit early on the agenda.

[0:17:39] Trustee Elliott: Yay!

[0:17:40] Trustee Elliott: This has never happened in a Gabriel meeting, but I know one.

[0:17:44] Trustee Elliott: But if everyone's in agreement, we can move to town hall and hear from any members of

[0:17:50] Trustee Elliott: public would like to speak do we have a time limit on town halls that's right

[0:18:00] Voice 13: typically my

[0:18:01] Voice 5: experience with the other ltcs is basically uh

[0:18:04] Voice 6: it's usually two to three minutes

[0:18:06] Voice 6: but it has a lot to do with how many people are in the room that want to speak right but there's

[0:18:12] Voice 6: not

[0:18:13] Voice 5: as many people uh other than more permissive okay there's

[0:18:17] Voice 5: a big lineup that we can stick

[0:18:18] Voice 5: it's taken there

[0:18:20] Trustee Elliott: you go okay so

[0:18:21] Voice 5: we have we

[0:18:22] Trustee Elliott: have about 10 minutes and uh yeah would anybody like

[0:18:27] Trustee Elliott: to speak to be able to see yes sir sorry could you state your name again i'm

[0:18:32] Voice 10: dave rogers dave rogers

[0:18:34] Voice 10: and um i'm actually quite concerned about the uh lack of service by tell us i don't know if

[0:18:42] Voice 10: if you people have jurisdiction for COVID.

[0:18:46] Voice 10: But for the last two months,

[0:18:49] Voice 10: we've been without landline service.

[0:18:52] Voice 10: We have two people with heart conditions

[0:18:54] Voice 10: and one person with a falling wrist.

[0:18:57] Voice 10: We have gone to them repeatedly

[0:19:00] Voice 10: stating this is a serious danger

[0:19:05] Voice 10: because we are not able to take

[0:19:07] Voice 10: and get emergency assistance if required.

[0:19:10] Voice 10: Hopefully, nobody gets hurt, but that's obviously the intent every time that somebody gets hurt.

[0:19:20] Voice 10: I would like the trapeze and or to put some serious pressure on the individuals.

[0:19:31] Voice 10: goals. Not that employees, every time we go to their website or talk to anybody, we get a

[0:19:43] Voice 10: request for employee evaluation back. It's not the employee's problem. It's the system's problem.

[0:19:52] Voice 10: They are intentionally, in my opinion, attempting to squeeze the sea so that we don't have to take and have them service our system.

[0:20:04] Voice 10: And that's wrong.

[0:20:06] Voice 10: wrong every time we complain to a uh a member of will tell us the first thing they say is if you're

[0:20:18] Voice 10: not there when our people show up we will charge you 150 dollars they said that they were going to

[0:20:25] Voice 10: be fixing our phone four times in the last three months in two months we have as of yet been given

[0:20:34] Voice 10: $150 for each one of those times when they made us wait. So they are actually playing both ends

[0:20:43] Voice 10: against the middle. And if they want to take and charge us for us not being there, then if they

[0:20:53] Voice 10: don't show, they should be charged. This is just my opinion. Fair is fair. And I really hope that

[0:21:04] Voice 10: one of the two members of our group of you know can actually get to them and I know that

[0:21:14] Voice 10: Coffin District has already put forward mentioned but we're still without a phone

[0:21:24] Voice 10: and we're not supposed to have the phone fixed until February 9th

[0:21:30] Voice 3: and

[0:21:32] Voice 10: I doubt it that we'll get

[0:21:34] Voice 10: it fixed there so thank you very much thank

[0:21:38] Voice 11: you mr rogers appreciate your contribution

[0:21:41] Trustee Elliott: yes sir

[0:21:43] Trustee Elliott: but

[0:21:43] Voice 9: one of them that he didn't cover was there's in the uh agenda package there's reference to uh

[0:21:59] Voice 9: development permit areas and some something some sort of stuff around there well the city island

[0:22:05] Voice 9: doesn't have any development permit areas and it would be a popular revolt every time someone tries

[0:22:12] Voice 9: to institute that sort of zoning so we as a population are particularly sensitive to anything

[0:22:20] Voice 9: thing mentioning the DPAs in our OTP or our Rural Energy Fund. So I certainly hope that the trustees

[0:22:30] Voice 9: will resist any pressure to institute any sort of a DPA agenda on the scheme.

[0:22:38] Voice 9: The other thing is the OTP. It's been, I'm not sure, almost seven months, I think, and there's

[0:22:47] Voice 9: and essentially no movement on the official community plan and the agenda showed that there

[0:22:54] Voice 9: was five thousand dollars allocated to work on it and none of it was used we still have five thousand

[0:23:00] Voice 9: dollars uh it's my understanding that the reason nothing was done because the first nations wanted

[0:23:08] Voice 9: us to pause while they reviewed it and they sent a letter and it took seven or maybe eight or

[0:23:15] Voice 9: for something a month for the staff to reply to that now that is plain insulting if i if i wrote

[0:23:24] Voice 9: a letter in an official capacity as an aboriginal governing body to a to the audience trust and they

[0:23:34] Voice 9: didn't respond for seven months that's hardly accommodating in fact it's insulting uh i i don't

[0:23:42] Voice 9: what to say except that i certainly hope that the there's two members of the executive here

[0:23:48] Voice 9: i certainly hope that they take note of this and start paying

[0:23:53] Voice 7: some respect to the first nations

[0:23:58] Voice 7: um let's see uh

[0:24:01] Voice 9: tim mentioned the 10-acre minimum i'm quite concerned about that because

[0:24:05] Voice 9: there's already been one instance where a subdivision got an extra lot because of this

[0:24:13] Voice 9: 9.8 or something whatever it's translated into and currently pending going to be a very large

[0:24:20] Voice 9: subdivision on the speedy and if this non-10 acre minimum is still in effect they're going to get a

[0:24:30] Voice 9: lot of extra lots and the idea with the 10 acre minimum was to minimize the amount of

[0:24:37] Voice 9: lots available on the speedy and that's something we've been just kind of skating along thinking

[0:24:43] Voice 9: it was true but now we know it isn't true so i would certainly urge the local trust committee to

[0:24:49] Voice 9: rapidly get on this so that once their application is put in it wouldn't make any difference what

[0:24:54] Voice 9: the local trust committee did on the uh and the town hall needs for the second town hall

[0:25:03] Voice 9: for me is self-evident i come here to this meeting and i and i i want to say something and i listen

[0:25:10] Voice 9: to what that means and then definitely like dead time so i leave but if i was going to have a

[0:25:17] Voice 9: chance to comment on what came down at the meeting i would probably hang around i know i used to when

[0:25:24] Voice 9: it was at a town hall at the end of the meeting and i've talked to other people and they say the

[0:25:28] Voice 9: same thing so i would urge that that that's just a change in your procedure by law i think something

[0:25:35] Voice 9: you can do quickly the uh other thing is the uh the duty to accommodate and to and to make

[0:25:49] Voice 9: all of these meetings acceptable to all the members of the public regardless of their

[0:25:54] Voice 9: disabilities and on the speedy island we have an aging population and there a lot of them

[0:25:59] Voice 9: are hearing impaired i know the uh the speedy island community association they had an all

[0:26:10] Voice 9: candidates meeting and it was a wonderful old candidates meeting they because a member of the

[0:26:15] Voice 9: public demanded that they give access to the hearing impaired so they had microphones for

[0:26:21] Voice 9: the speakers and they had a loud speaker so everybody could hear everything that went on

[0:26:26] Voice 9: really and it was really well attended and appreciated so i i'm uh i got a copy with the

[0:26:34] Voice 9: the relevant regulations that is obligated by regulations

[0:26:41] Voice 9: to accommodate the hearing impaired.

[0:26:43] Voice 9: And there's another regulation coming down.

[0:26:47] Voice 9: I haven't really examined it, but it mentions the island trust

[0:26:52] Voice 9: by name, that they have to accommodate,

[0:26:55] Voice 9: they have to have access.

[0:26:57] Voice 9: So I would urge the local trust committee, our local,

[0:27:00] Voice 9: and the members of the executive here make it almost trust-wise

[0:27:04] Voice 9: that the hearing impaired be included in the access

[0:27:12] Voice 9: that's supplied to the public.

[0:27:15] Voice 9: We're real good with other kinds of disabilities,

[0:27:19] Voice 9: but we're really no good with the hearing impaired.

[0:27:21] Voice 9: I had no hearing in one ear,

[0:27:25] Voice 9: and even with a hearing aid, partial hearing in the other ear.

[0:27:29] Voice 9: So I personally would really appreciate it.

[0:27:32] Voice 9: And I've talked to several people who don't come to these meetings.

[0:27:35] Voice 9: They used to, but they just don't come to me because they can't hear you guys when you're

[0:27:39] Voice 9: talking to each other.

[0:27:41] Voice 9: It's just like you're just having a private conversation, which, of course, obvious the

[0:27:49] Voice 7: perfect public meeting.

[0:27:53] Voice 7: And then there's one other issue that I don't want to send anybody, but I've asked this

[0:28:02] Voice 9: question of two different chairs of this local trust committee one of the chairs the first one

[0:28:12] Voice 9: someone a member of the public was recording the meeting and the chair said you can't do that you

[0:28:18] Voice 9: have to ask permission to do that and i and other members of the public said no we can record a

[0:28:27] Voice 9: meeting we don't have to tell anybody and we don't have to make it public if we want to we can do it

[0:28:33] Voice 9: and somebody said well then they might uh weaponize that recording well that's absurd

[0:28:40] Voice 9: this is a public meeting nobody who comes to this meeting has any expectation of confidentiality

[0:28:47] Voice 9: it's already being recorded it's going to be put online so there should be no objection to

[0:28:53] Voice 9: somebody recording it for their own personal use so i would like to ask this chair is it okay for

[0:28:59] Voice 9: a member of the public to record this

[0:29:02] Voice 14: meeting the

[0:29:06] Voice 7: supreme court has said it is by the way

[0:29:09] Trustee Elliott: well um

[0:29:12] Trustee Elliott: i would consider it um an act of courtesy to ask anyone president you're going to record him

[0:29:19] Trustee Elliott: i think the issue might be the members of the public who are there um who don't necessarily

[0:29:25] Trustee Elliott: have a chance to give their permission we're elected officials and you're right

[0:29:28] Trustee Elliott: what we're doing as a business meeting

[0:29:31] Trustee Elliott: in front

[0:29:33] Trustee Elliott: of the public.

[0:29:35] Voice 9: Is that a yes or a no?

[0:29:39] Trustee Elliott: I'm comfortable being recorded, but I would

[0:29:41] Trustee Elliott: ask that you...

[0:29:43] Trustee Elliott: As

[0:29:43] Voice 9: a matter of courtesy, of course.

[0:29:45] Voice 9: As

[0:29:45] Trustee Elliott: a matter of

[0:29:46] Voice 9: courtesy, I can say

[0:29:47] Voice 9: I'm going to record it, but I'm not required

[0:29:49] Voice 9: to. If I'm a paranoid sort

[0:29:50] Voice 9: and I want to record it, then I

[0:29:53] Voice 9: can.

[0:29:54] Trustee Elliott: I mean, the logistics are

[0:29:55] Trustee Elliott: somebody sitting at home could record

[0:29:57] Trustee Elliott: and broadcast the live stream.

[0:30:00] Trustee Elliott: there's no difference if you're in the room recording um i i would just say that we want

[0:30:06] Trustee Elliott: to keep a tone of respectful collegiality and so if the recording was um because you're trying to

[0:30:13] Trustee Elliott: out somebody or or make a point um there's better ways of having that conversation than using media

[0:30:21] Trustee Elliott: so i would just ask for now now

[0:30:24] Voice 14: that the no

[0:30:24] Voice 7: because

[0:30:25] Voice 14: i'm it's a

[0:30:36] Voice 9: simple young man but there's

[0:30:38] Voice 9: a public meeting and it's already being recorded and being broadcast this if

[0:30:42] Trustee Elliott: it's okay as a matter

[0:30:43] Trustee Elliott: of courtesy i'm going

[0:30:44] Voice 9: to record i'd

[0:30:46] Trustee Elliott: like to be able to consider it and get back to you is that

[0:30:48] Trustee Elliott: okay i

[0:30:49] Trustee Elliott: said if it's this important to you i'll consider it and get back to you but i don't have

[0:30:53] Trustee Elliott: have time to think about it consider look up any legislation and then get back to you is that all

[0:30:59] Trustee Elliott: right okay

[0:31:00] Voice 9: i have a suggestion that's all about this a lot because like i say you're the third

[0:31:05] Voice 9: chair ask your legal department sure and

[0:31:10] Voice 9: then then it's not on you it's on them and whatever

[0:31:14] Voice 9: they say i'll accept well

[0:31:15] Trustee Elliott: thank you for that i appreciate the heads up and i

[0:31:17] Voice 9: i also want to say

[0:31:19] Voice 9: that i'm really happy to see you guys having a good time out there

[0:31:24] Trustee Elliott: we're trying thank you sir is that all all right i

[0:31:29] Voice 4: just say something very briefly to follow up on

[0:31:33] Voice 4: what uh mr rogers said about uh provide a bit of context and maybe offer something at the lpc

[0:31:38] Voice 4: do something so the phone service teleth service landline service on the speedy has been atrocious

[0:31:46] Voice 4: to put it bluntly and it's not just an irritation it's actually a safety issue that's we don't have

[0:31:51] Voice 4: a cell phone service when people phone and for emergencies and they can't get they can't use

[0:31:57] Voice 4: their phone then they can't get any help at all so that's actually a major problem and it's been

[0:32:02] Voice 4: long going in november the phone line went down actually from my place all the way down the whole

[0:32:08] Voice 4: so you know half the island was out so i put out an email people contacted me i brought it to the

[0:32:14] Voice 4: attention of the regional district because i phoned talents of course like everyone and they

[0:32:18] Voice 4: said well you're you know we'll schedule you in two weeks and i said that's just not acceptable

[0:32:21] Voice 4: three weeks and the problem was they were not recognizing it or resisted to recognize it as

[0:32:28] Voice 4: an outage so that's the kind of challenge they have as an individual if you have an individual

[0:32:33] Voice 4: they say it's they assume it's between your home and the road then they treat it both schedule you

[0:32:39] Voice 4: will come in wherever and that's the lower priority when they recognize it's a multi-residence outage

[0:32:45] Voice 4: then that's different because that difference because that means it's on their line that means

[0:32:49] Voice 4: it's on their main trunk and so i got you know i gave them numbers from all over and i brought

[0:32:56] Voice 4: the attention you know district wrote a letter and i'll come back to the letter in a moment

[0:33:00] Voice 4: letter got sent quickly tell us it went to the top of tell us tell us we're contacting the rd

[0:33:07] Voice 4: right away sent someone that weekend and told the regional district we will continue until it's

[0:33:14] Voice 4: fixed and they fixed most of them and then some of them were have ongoing long-term issues that

[0:33:20] Voice 4: you know tell us just finds difficult to fix that's a separate but then other people started

[0:33:24] Voice 4: having trouble so rogers rogers way down further i've been aware because once i did this of course

[0:33:31] Voice 4: i draw everyone sending emails now about it and so i'm aware of a lot of other ones that are out

[0:33:37] Voice 4: and it's kind of prepped back up again and tell us not responding so the regional district could

[0:33:42] Voice 4: send another letter that i a the appetite of the board to get the sense that every time there's

[0:33:47] Voice 4: an outage on the ski i'll be asking for a letter uh where it's been i'm going to ask if the staff

[0:33:54] Voice 4: can resend that letter it's the end of november so i mean a letter like that should we shouldn't

[0:33:58] Voice 4: have to write a new one you should just remember if the ltc but i think coming from you know it's

[0:34:04] Voice 4: not rd jurisdiction it's not ltc it's not an unstructured jurisdiction but local governments

[0:34:09] Voice 4: can and could so if the ltc chose to write a letter basically just saying you know bringing

[0:34:17] Voice 4: it to the attention then i'm i would suggest and i'm happy to help get a copy of the letter

[0:34:23] Voice 4: the rd sent because what's important to get their attention is to use the right language

[0:34:28] Voice 4: and part of the part of the thing to understand is that the provision the requirement to provide

[0:34:36] Voice 4: telephone services is not a requirement to PELS it's a requirement of the CRTC it's not the

[0:34:41] Voice 4: telecoms that are obligated to provide reliable service it's CRTC is obligated to ensure reliable

[0:34:48] Voice 4: services provided and when there's multiple telecoms that's different situation than when

[0:34:53] Voice 4: there's one so the language in the letter is really important to refer to the right section

[0:34:58] Voice 4: of the telecommunications pack because that's what the crtc does when they communicate and that gets

[0:35:05] Voice 4: the attention of telus because they've received such letters so anyways if if the lpc had an

[0:35:10] Voice 4: appetite for that then i would suggest reach out to me i'll do what i can to get uh the letter see

[0:35:17] Voice 4: if it's okay to pass on the letter that we sent and uh and then it might help to get the language

[0:35:23] Voice 4: which I guess tell us, you know, acting.

[0:35:26] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, you're absolutely right.

[0:35:28] Trustee Elliott: More voices speaking together.

[0:35:30] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[0:35:30] Voice 6: I just have a question on that.

[0:35:32] Voice 6: Given that the CRTC is a federal commission,

[0:35:37] Voice 6: did that letter get CC to our MP at all?

[0:35:42] Voice 6: No, and I would actually suggest if you do this,

[0:35:44] Voice 4: and if I do it again at the RD, which may happen,

[0:35:47] Voice 4: it should probably not just be to tell us.

[0:35:50] Voice 4: I mean, they reacted quickly.

[0:35:51] Voice 4: I would probably possibly concern that it would go to the CRTC, but sending it to the

[0:35:55] Voice 4: MP, maybe even sending, either CCing it or even writing to the CRTC, those are other

[0:36:00] Voice 4: options because it's actually the CRTC that's obligated and if, you know, the first step

[0:36:06] Voice 4: was to tell us, and they reacted, but they're obviously not running from us, so involving,

[0:36:10] Voice 4: you know, it's federal, so MP Gord Johns would be really helpful, he might be able to help,

[0:36:17] Voice 4: you know he might have advice even whether it's good to go right to the CRTC or so on so I think

[0:36:23] Voice 4: those are the options though and

[0:36:24] Voice 13: and it may

[0:36:25] Voice 4: I guess what I'm saying is I'm advocating for the

[0:36:27] Voice 4: LPC to do this if they feel like it and I think it can have an effect it did last time it was much

[0:36:33] Voice 4: more short-lived than I would have liked unfortunately but you know I

[0:36:38] Trustee Elliott: would suggest perhaps

[0:36:40] Trustee Elliott: if you want that on the agenda to be discussed you could send that letter as correspondence to

[0:36:45] Trustee Elliott: the north island info and then we can put it and it'll be on the correspondence and then we can

[0:36:51] Trustee Elliott: discuss it in the meeting because it's kind of hard to do that in the town hall but um yeah that

[0:36:55] Trustee Elliott: might be good for the future if you want to see something addressed just write a letter and

[0:37:00] Trustee Elliott: address it to north island info that i've noticed but we'll i think the ltc will well we'll talk

[0:37:06] Trustee Elliott: about it and see if we can can we hear from anybody else before we move into um back and

[0:37:13] Trustee Elliott: Yes, sir. Hi,

[0:37:14] Voice 8: my name is Dave Olson. I just have one item to bring to your attention. It's in the agenda package at the top of page 14. So if you want to scroll down to that, there's an item that's under a subheading.

[0:37:32] Voice 8: in the staff report and the subheading is called pending administrative bylaw amendment that the

[0:37:38] Voice 8: ltp can expect next year and they include number two which is adoption of a land use permit

[0:37:46] Voice 8: delegation by law your file will delegate the approval of development permits to staff

[0:37:53] Voice 8: for all dpas except form and character so building on what tom said earlier any dpas that have ever

[0:38:01] Voice 8: been proposed on this island have been shut down immediately with great gusto so um i just hope the

[0:38:08] Voice 8: trustees the trustees are aware of that and it seems um disingenuous to pass uh administrative

[0:38:19] Voice 8: bylaws for um areas of of planning that likely will never exist here and certainly not in the

[0:38:28] Voice 8: short term so i just want to highlight this highlight that um you know and and then there's

[0:38:36] Voice 8: that's just the on the speedy gpa aspect of things and then i also like to speak to the

[0:38:42] Voice 8: fact that it is essentially trying to move more decision-making power to staff from trustees i

[0:38:51] Voice 8: mean it literally says that and um the last few years have shown us what unelected bureaucrats

[0:38:57] Voice 8: are capable of and I don't think that's what each one wants. We want elected representatives to make

[0:39:06] Voice 8: decisions for this island, not unelected bureaucrats that don't live here to make

[0:39:11] Voice 8: decisions for this island. So nothing personal about the unelected bureaucrats. Of course

[0:39:16] Voice 8: they do find out and they have the skills and resources to do all the work that you can delegate

[0:39:22] Voice 8: to them which is which would obviously make to talk about that work but if the check-in balance

[0:39:29] Voice 8: and trustees are one of the important chefs to balance the power that the staff have because

[0:39:36] Voice 8: of course they know everything they're very capable and smart people so uh i'm cautioning you

[0:39:42] Voice 8: to a not even deal with anything related to dpas and and be certainly not delegate more of your

[0:39:52] Voice 8: limited power to stop

[0:39:54] Voice 8: but that's what I have to say

[0:39:57] Voice 8: thank you very much

[0:39:57] Trustee Elliott: thank you Mr. Wilson

[0:40:00] Trustee Elliott: appreciate that

[0:40:02] Trustee Elliott: I think that's all the time we have

[0:40:05] Trustee Elliott: if you have a new issue sir

[0:40:06] Trustee Elliott: I

[0:40:07] Voice 9: just want to

[0:40:09] Trustee Elliott: put some

[0:40:10] Voice 9: context to the telephone thing

[0:40:11] Trustee Elliott: could you

[0:40:11] Trustee Elliott: keep it quite short

[0:40:12] Voice 9: very short

[0:40:13] Voice 9: Speedy Island is a lost leader

[0:40:16] Voice 9: we lose money for TELUS

[0:40:18] Voice 9: and they're only

[0:40:21] Voice 9: reluctantly doing any

[0:40:23] Voice 9: repairs on the t because of that so

[0:40:25] Trustee Elliott: what i'm hearing is collaboration between governments

[0:40:29] Trustee Elliott: raising the issue at the federal level because this is a CRTC issue and you'd like your trustees

[0:40:36] Trustee Elliott: to take action because we don't want to be left to the bottom of the list that kind of went on

[0:40:42] Trustee Elliott: that issue okay thank you everyone um appreciate you speaking up at town hall it's really important

[0:40:49] Trustee Elliott: important to hear from the community so thank you so much for your time we'll move on to the

[0:40:55] Trustee Elliott: minutes from the last local trust committee meetings um which I believe have already been

[0:41:01] Trustee Elliott: approved so there's nothing to do there um section 26 resolutions without a meeting there's a report

[0:41:11] Trustee Elliott: which we can just receive and adopt by general consent it's all in there it's just usually

[0:41:21] Trustee Elliott: mundane stuff about meeting times and stuff yes yeah i'll just

[0:41:26] Voice 6: point out that there was a number

[0:41:29] Voice 6: of resolutions without meeting that towards the end of the term and which was done on a lot of

[0:41:35] Voice 6: local trust committees uh adopting the last the minutes of our final meeting and and that

[0:41:41] Voice 6: which in a lot of sense makes i mean it makes a lot of sense because especially it was a brand

[0:41:47] Voice 6: new ltc none of which were participating in a meeting in august how is that how are they

[0:41:55] Voice 6: supposed to know whether you know the minutes accurately reflect what happened so there's a

[0:42:01] Voice 6: lot of a lot of that happened that's the first time i've seen that in a tournament i think it's

[0:42:05] Voice 5: a good idea not to leave stuff you know really that the new ltc would have no context for

[0:42:14] Voice 5: approaching so

[0:42:15] Voice 13: that's

[0:42:16] Voice 5: a lot of what's in our uh resolution of that being a lot of this

[0:42:21] Voice 5: okay

[0:42:21] Trustee Elliott: and then there's no minutes from the advisory planning commission

[0:42:27] Trustee Elliott: i just wanted to ask did the previous apc meet in

[0:42:33] Voice 11: the last term um at all they

[0:42:37] Voice 6: were about they

[0:42:38] Voice 6: let's see i think in june they were going to try and have a meeting they failed to reach quorum

[0:42:45] Voice 6: and then the term ended and then the local trust committee met in august and

[0:42:54] Voice 6: And we only had one application, so we weren't able to appoint a new APC.

[0:43:01] Voice 6: So hopefully that's

[0:43:03] Voice 5: what we get to do.

[0:43:04] Voice 5: We'll get to do.

[0:43:05] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:43:06] Trustee Elliott: Thanks for that.

[0:43:08] Trustee Elliott: Great.

[0:43:09] Trustee Elliott: So we'll move on to point seven, business arising from minutes.

[0:43:13] Trustee Elliott: Intern staff for the follow-up action list.

[0:43:17] Trustee Elliott: Is there anything that we can go through?

[0:43:20] Trustee Elliott: If you have any questions about any of the specific items,

[0:43:24] Trustee Elliott: so i'm happy to try to help clarify some of these are still pending your discussion of the next

[0:43:31] Trustee Elliott: steps for the start so it's not in progress until we hear back from the ltc today about your priorities

[0:43:38] Trustee Elliott: okay um i notice in the on page seven the number one activity

[0:43:52] Trustee Elliott: The LTC recommends to the incoming LTC that they reach out to the Nautilus First Nation

[0:43:57] Trustee Elliott: as soon as possible in the beginning of their term.

[0:44:02] Trustee Elliott: I did talk to Director Brader, I can't remember which meeting it was, and asked where the

[0:44:11] Trustee Elliott: outreach with First Nations is at, and she seemed to say it was in progress, perhaps

[0:44:17] Trustee Elliott: perhaps by the end of the month,

[0:44:20] Trustee Elliott: but there's nothing that the local trust committee

[0:44:22] Trustee Elliott: would be doing that's going to be coming from.

[0:44:26] Trustee Elliott: Director Freider, is that...

[0:44:28] Trustee Elliott: Our understanding is that they are now,

[0:44:31] Trustee Elliott: it's changed, every term has been a bit different,

[0:44:33] Trustee Elliott: but they've changed the process

[0:44:34] Trustee Elliott: so that trust area services would take the lead

[0:44:36] Trustee Elliott: on drafting the letter

[0:44:39] Trustee Elliott: on behalf of the local trust committee

[0:44:41] Trustee Elliott: to be the same, being new elected officials

[0:44:43] Trustee Elliott: and providing some context.

[0:44:47] Trustee Elliott: but um i'm not up to speed on

[0:44:50] Voice 1: what the timeline

[0:44:50] Trustee Elliott: is for that process either i'm sure it's time

[0:44:53] Trustee Elliott: sensitive because it's the beginning of the year and you're already starting to make decisions

[0:44:57] Trustee Elliott: around yeah your work programs that may or may not affect them so the sooner the better but

[0:45:06] Voice 3: i

[0:45:07] Trustee Elliott: suspect you would see a draft of that letter before i hope so okay yeah

[0:45:13] Voice 5: let me hear

[0:45:15] Voice 6: Yeah, that stands up to me, especially because as members of the public mentioned here, we had a very long lag in between communication with them to the LTC and getting back to them.

[0:45:29] Voice 6: And it's my understanding that there's work that's going to start on a protocol.

[0:45:42] Voice 6: However, in the interest of advancing our business with the OCP review, I don't know that I have a resolution today,

[0:45:54] Voice 6: but maybe i'll just um i'll just reach out to director freighter and and see uh like i know

[0:46:03] Voice 6: there's two things there's that the trust director is in contact with those nanas and also that uh

[0:46:13] Voice 6: so that's on protocol um and that the uh new senior governmental uh intergovernmental policy

[0:46:22] Voice 6: policy advisor position and I think is on the verge of being filled but I don't know that it's

[0:46:27] Voice 6: filled yet and so how that how that's like to get a sense of how the staff think that's going to

[0:46:35] Voice 6: play out in terms of who's going to uh assist our outreach um yeah for effective First Nations

[0:46:44] Voice 6: consultation at this point because we need we need to get on with our business but we also need to

[0:46:50] Voice 6: do um we also need to do our due diligence and be respectful um with the first nation's

[0:47:00] Voice 6: consultation on this and uh i mean i see it essentially as a as an organizational

[0:47:07] Voice 6: failure that that there was such a long lag between those letters um and so at this point i

[0:47:16] Voice 6: it's been it's it's made what's happened is that we were way behind schedule our schedule on our

[0:47:25] Voice 6: cp review i don't want to make it wait a long time and at the other hand there was a failure

[0:47:31] Voice 6: within our organization in communication so i also don't want to be hasty and say hurry up you guys

[0:47:39] Voice 6: come on we need to hear from you when we clearly were not prompt at all with them

[0:47:45] Voice 6: so that's i think i've sort of beat that i think i said that enough times but um it's something

[0:47:54] Voice 6: i want us to get working yes and i also want us to be mindful of the fact that our response was not

[0:48:03] Voice 6: timely at all so i think

[0:48:06] Voice 6: we need to

[0:48:06] Trustee Elliott: the issue seems to be

[0:48:07] Trustee Elliott: patient capacity on both sides yeah

[0:48:10] Voice 5: Yeah, for sure.

[0:48:10] Trustee Elliott: I know that there's a discussion at around the budget of including an administrative coordinator position.

[0:48:18] Trustee Elliott: And that's the this these sort of mundane administrative details that, you know, you think, why do you need to hire another staff person for administration?

[0:48:29] Trustee Elliott: Right. But it's it's the writing of the letters and tracking of who's who on council and where has communication been done?

[0:48:38] Trustee Elliott: we don't duplicate so this is a larger discussion and i agree that it's a system issue um but if we

[0:48:45] Trustee Elliott: can connect with director brader and just see if we can get some letters of introduction

[0:48:51] Trustee Elliott: out as soon as possible i'd really be supportive of that

[0:48:57] Trustee Elliott: yes waiting seven months to get back is is not in my mind it's we can't continue those

[0:49:04] Trustee Elliott: kind of practices so yeah if

[0:49:06] Voice 6: i may um

[0:49:08] Voice 6: yeah i just know that our uh proposed schedule puts march 20

[0:49:15] Voice 6: as our next local trust committee meeting um so i i don't i don't anticipate that we can do

[0:49:22] Voice 6: that even that directive frame would have much new information for us um you know if we're to request

[0:49:29] Voice 6: less information now but i think that um i'm content to to wait till our till the march 20th

[0:49:36] Voice 6: meeting and hopefully we have that new uh senior governmental policy advisor in place at that time

[0:49:42] Voice 6: and they're okay and

[0:49:44] Voice 6: uh and

[0:49:46] Voice 5: we'll see if there's any update from director crater on the direct

[0:49:49] Voice 5: communication there there is a staff person who

[0:49:53] Voice 7: has got up the mountains of work

[0:50:00] Trustee Elliott: so just in terms of the action reports there's things that have been removed from it and

[0:50:09] Trustee Elliott: just everything sort of is in concurrence with what you um so the last ltc had decided

[0:50:18] Trustee Elliott: i'm sorry i'm turning to trustee peterson yeah i

[0:50:23] Voice 6: mean there's there's you know two of these items

[0:50:25] Voice 6: are uh referrals to the apc about the ocp project and i just outlined the you know the issues with

[0:50:33] Voice 6: us not having an apc for this duration of time so uh when that when we can constitute that those

[0:50:39] Voice 6: referrals go out to there those will come off the list um the meeting procedures bylaw

[0:50:48] Voice 6: amendments uh we did pass a standing resolution which revised from staff um uh will accomplish

[0:50:57] Voice 6: what we wanted to accomplish with it in the short term

[0:51:00] Voice 13: um

[0:51:01] Voice 6: it's still obviously it's better to amend

[0:51:03] Voice 6: the bylaw and i guess what that's going to come down to is what uh what our timeline looks like

[0:51:11] Voice 6: on the ocp um i just wanted to actually just because this came up on my board meeting on

[0:51:19] Voice 6: friday so their previous practice was that local trust committees had um three projects and then

[0:51:29] Voice 6: and or you know three top priorities and then uh and then a projects list and as one of the

[0:51:36] Voice 6: priorities came off the top priority list you could add something else on there that has

[0:51:40] Voice 6: has actually been changed now and it's now uh framed as one major and one minor project

[0:51:49] Voice 6: going on at one time so i actually think that this is beneficial for our local trust committee

[0:51:56] Voice 6: because we've in the past we've only really been able to work we've only had resourcing

[0:52:01] Voice 6: for one project and i

[0:52:03] Voice 6: look at things like this meeting uh procedures uh bylaw amendment and

[0:52:08] Voice 6: and things like going into our subdivision regulations

[0:52:12] Voice 6: and amending that four hectare number

[0:52:15] Voice 6: to the appropriate precise number

[0:52:19] Voice 6: that reaches us to 10 acres.

[0:52:21] Voice 6: I look at those as relatively minor projects.

[0:52:24] Voice 6: I'm hoping under this new system,

[0:52:27] Voice 6: that means we can work on our OCP,

[0:52:29] Voice 6: which is obviously a big one,

[0:52:31] Voice 6: and maybe we can address some of these little things

[0:52:32] Voice 6: that have sort of been outstanding

[0:52:33] Voice 6: and been pushed to the side now that we're allowed

[0:52:36] Voice 6: a major and a minor i look at some of those minor of course we'll look at some advice from staff on

[0:52:42] Voice 6: whether they agree

[0:52:43] Voice 4: that those are minor projects or not but uh sometimes things seem simpler on

[0:52:48] Voice 4: the surface than they are and

[0:52:51] Trustee Elliott: well and again it's the minutia that does drive process sometimes i

[0:52:57] Trustee Elliott: will note that we did receive a letter early this well nine this morning about notification

[0:53:04] Trustee Elliott: of meetings did you

[0:53:05] Trustee Elliott: get that involved yeah and so this might be something it is minor but

[0:53:10] Trustee Elliott: and the standing resolution covers it but um just reading the bylaw the standing resolution reads

[0:53:18] Trustee Elliott: that the skinny line and the local trust committee adopts calling for a standard resolution with

[0:53:23] Trustee Elliott: respect to public notification of changes so the letter writer said they didn't have notification

[0:53:29] Trustee Elliott: of this january meeting and so couldn't attend and so um because it's out of the norm so changes

[0:53:35] Trustee Elliott: in meeting start times dates and or venues shall be posted by business days prior to the meeting

[0:53:40] Trustee Elliott: time on the amistress website so is that sufficient notice do we need to consider it does it need to

[0:53:46] Trustee Elliott: go out on the list ed email threads yeah

[0:53:50] Voice 6: i mean if i'm hr um

[0:53:52] Voice 6: i mean i read that that uh email this

[0:53:56] Voice 6: this morning and um I you know it was noted that the that the date of this meeting was uh

[0:54:06] Voice 6: was in the you know one of our local papers and uh right um I'm certainly not adverse to you know

[0:54:15] Voice 6: enhanced um public notice of meetings but I think what that standing resolution really tried to

[0:54:20] Voice 6: capture is in case of a meeting like a regular business meeting date or time has changed we've

[0:54:27] Voice 6: previously had nothing in the bylaw that addressed getting public notice out about that and i think

[0:54:33] Voice 6: that that was what that standing resolution front so this one has been whether or not the

[0:54:39] Voice 6: letter writer felt that they've we've got sufficient notice or you know close enough

[0:54:45] Voice 6: to the time of the meeting in fact we didn't change that the date or time of this meeting

[0:54:50] Voice 6: since it was first announced so yeah

[0:54:53] Trustee Elliott: it wasn't posted and it

[0:54:54] Voice 5: did go in on a paper so the

[0:54:56] Trustee Elliott: procedure that we have is involved okay i'd thank you for that because i wasn't sure what he was

[0:55:01] Trustee Elliott: referring to okay um anything else on the action follow-up action list if not um sorry i did have

[0:55:15] Trustee Elliott: a question about number six the cdc grant application did the ltc make an application for

[0:55:22] Trustee Elliott: that grant in the past not

[0:55:27] Voice 6: recently but the um because of the the funding stream is out there

[0:55:33] Voice 6: and we do want to work on relationships with first nations i believe i think somewhere in this agenda

[0:55:41] Voice 6: there's a date there's a couple of in a couple of timings of the street without funding

[0:55:47] Voice 6: and there's

[0:55:49] Trustee Elliott: three intakes a year so

[0:55:50] Voice 6: this was uh yeah this is was basically stating that we want

[0:55:55] Voice 6: to get back into that into that stream and get uh get an application and we don't have one here

[0:56:01] Voice 6: currently though

[0:56:02] Trustee Elliott: okay i understand there's only one local trust area that can apply well we can

[0:56:08] Trustee Elliott: only be eligible for one

[0:56:10] Voice 6: yeah

[0:56:11] Trustee Elliott: right so

[0:56:13] Voice 6: that's one three so theoretically three

[0:56:17] Trustee Elliott: a year a year yeah

[0:56:18] Trustee Elliott: okay if there's nothing else um from that action list i love the word action

[0:56:26] Trustee Elliott: um the 2023 local trust committee meeting dates for adoption so there is a recommendation here

[0:56:34] Trustee Elliott: it's on page nine uh i was the one that proposed a date that was out of the norm the july 26th

[0:56:46] Trustee Elliott: which is a wednesday and it was just because of my availability so we had some back and forth

[0:56:54] Trustee Elliott: the two trustees and you seem to be okay with that so if that is everyone okay with that

[0:57:04] Trustee Elliott: meeting schedule and would anyone like to make a motion to that effect i have

[0:57:12] Voice 7: no issues with the

[0:57:13] Voice 7: meeting schedule okay i

[0:57:15] Voice 7: don't think we've passed

[0:57:17] Voice 5: this around okay do

[0:57:19] Trustee Elliott: you want to move with the

[0:57:21] Trustee Elliott: rule

[0:57:22] Voice 5: that i will only do it less than uh trustee the road you need to make the first motion

[0:57:29] Voice 5: which is

[0:57:30] Voice 6: right there in front

[0:57:30] Trustee Elliott: of us on page nine

[0:57:32] Trustee Elliott: here right here page nine you can say

[0:57:35] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Mesquite Island Local Trust Committee schedule its regular business meetings on the following days in 2023.

[0:57:44] Trustee Elliott: March 20th, May 8th, July 26th, October 2nd, and December 11th.

[0:57:50] Trustee Elliott: Second motion.

[0:57:51] Trustee Elliott: Awesome. Can I follow the votes? All those in favor?

[0:57:56] Trustee Elliott: Aye.

[0:57:57] Trustee Elliott: Great. There's been business done.

[0:58:00] Trustee Elliott: Moving on to applications and referrals. There are none.

[0:58:05] Trustee Elliott: and local trust committee projects this is the juicy stuff review of active and future projects

[0:58:17] Trustee Elliott: this is on page 11 which we were ready to get into uh do you want to speak to any of this

[0:58:27] Trustee Elliott: give any context just briefly for what you have all the time for the session so we're looking for

[0:58:33] Trustee Elliott: confirmation from you today on your current active project and your future project list,

[0:58:42] Trustee Elliott: which is going to be one of

[0:58:43] Trustee Elliott: the top priorities versus projects list. So from you with the new

[0:58:47] Trustee Elliott: terminology for all of us to embrace, but also clarity around how you wish to focus your efforts

[0:58:56] Trustee Elliott: and advise around any business cases that you wish to submit for the 2023-2024 fiscal

[0:59:03] Trustee Elliott: because that's what we need to start now in order to meet all the deadlines

[0:59:08] Trustee Elliott: that are sort of outlined in this report for you for projects next year.

[0:59:13] Trustee Elliott: So we understand just from your preliminary discussions this morning

[0:59:16] Trustee Elliott: even that the OCP project is still likely your top priority project for current application.

[0:59:25] Trustee Elliott: So in that case, we would seek confirmation through a resolution that you endorse that

[0:59:33] Trustee Elliott: as a continuing priority for the rest of this fiscal and into the next.

[0:59:37] Trustee Elliott: You already have a budget request going to Trust Council in March to continue that project

[0:59:42] Trustee Elliott: and that work.

[0:59:44] Trustee Elliott: So there's no further requirements for that.

[0:59:47] Trustee Elliott: As far as I understand, your OCD project was...

[0:59:51] Trustee Elliott: I don't know that it's not in the list because I looked back at our RPC.

[1:00:00] Trustee Elliott: i understood there's still three thousand dollars in the budget to finish this fiscal but i didn't

[1:00:05] Trustee Elliott: see any business case am i wrong uh

[1:00:07] Voice 6: no there isn't a business case in the budget and i think that's

[1:00:10] Voice 6: because the anticipated cost of the next fiscal is under the threshold of minor uh that yeah it's

[1:00:17] Voice 6: is it five thousand dollars in a pistol i think in excess of that then it needs to go

[1:00:23] Trustee Elliott: okay

[1:00:23] Voice 6: um to trust council for for approval no

[1:00:27] Trustee Elliott: if that's the case then you don't have a major

[1:00:29] Trustee Elliott: your project request for the next fiscal coming up yeah

[1:00:33] Trustee Elliott: i think that's the project would fall

[1:00:36] Trustee Elliott: under the minor category okay yeah

[1:00:39] Voice 6: which is why there's not a business case and

[1:00:41] Voice 6: i

[1:00:42] Voice 13: guess

[1:00:43] Voice 6: the advantage of having a project where under that threshold is we don't we're not one

[1:00:50] Voice 6: of the ones that gets to be bandied about down and forth like in financial planning

[1:00:56] Trustee Elliott: community council yeah not the year

[1:00:59] Voice 6: you want to be

[1:01:00] Trustee Elliott: arguing an expensive business case so we'll take

[1:01:03] Trustee Elliott: your we'll take your direction to update the list and make sure they're reflected in your next

[1:01:07] Trustee Elliott: meeting package and then allow for our new regional planning manager to also understand how

[1:01:12] Trustee Elliott: to resource next steps for your project if that is the case that is something the official community

[1:01:17] Trustee Elliott: plan follow-up continuation trying to get draft bylaws and the proposed bylaws further along to

[1:01:24] Trustee Elliott: the legislative process and to public hearing that all requires a staff to stop time to support

[1:01:32] Trustee Elliott: so i think any direction that you have today and make sure it's reflected in the next

[1:01:38] Trustee Elliott: so apart from um waiting for first nations to come back with their comments or ideas

[1:01:48] Trustee Elliott: what remains to be done i know the the consultation with this community was completed

[1:01:53] Trustee Elliott: um drafting the bylaws is the next step right well no there are bylaws there are pods

[1:02:01] Trustee Elliott: oh of course that's reflected in the fact report yes it

[1:02:07] Trustee Elliott: is right so those would still need to go

[1:02:10] Trustee Elliott: through the legislative review process in terms of community information meeting public hearing

[1:02:14] Trustee Elliott: okay so there isn't really so community public hearings is really the only next stage of

[1:02:22] Trustee Elliott: engagement for that piece i'm

[1:02:26] Voice 6: sure yes um i would just uh point out that we have um on this list we

[1:02:32] Voice 6: have uh a referral to the uh abc on the on the ocp project um around the definition of community

[1:02:44] Voice 6: community benefit and then there's um uh so there's actually two referrals

[1:02:55] Voice 13: outstanding

[1:02:57] Voice 6: of the the oh yes so this uh referral of the flinrock uh comments on the ocp to the apc

[1:03:05] Voice 6: uh to make a recommendation on whether because basically the ministry didn't like um some

[1:03:13] Voice 6: of the policies which were advocacy policies surrounding crown land the access to and stuff

[1:03:20] Voice 6: um so we did refer this to the to the new agency and this is going to be an interesting one

[1:03:26] Voice 6: but what i think is missing um there's sort of a missing piece here and that is what i believe that

[1:03:33] Voice 6: i heard uh at that initial uh meeting we had that um is that some of their concerns with uh

[1:03:44] Voice 6: some of the language in the ocp it sounded to me like they are contained in that in that same

[1:03:51] Voice 6: policies around crown crown land use and i i'm i'm not uh trying to be 100 accurate but my sense

[1:04:03] Voice 6: is that they're concerned with regard to some of those policies now that they have those forest

[1:04:13] Voice 6: woodland license uh first nation woodland license on those two pieces of ground land

[1:04:19] Voice 6: their concern is that we're not putting stuff in our ocp that fetters their access and their

[1:04:27] Voice 6: activities on those pieces of property i believe that i mean that's what i took as my understanding

[1:04:34] Voice 6: of what their concerns were so this is going to be um this is going to be interesting because i

[1:04:44] Voice 6: think what from my perspective what we really need to do is we really need to drill down into what

[1:04:51] Voice 6: what specific recommendation or what specific policies um they have concerns with out of this

[1:04:58] Voice 6: list because there are i don't

[1:05:00] Voice 6: know that they're everything that's linrod um objected to and uh

[1:05:07] Voice 6: um the referral to the apc on those um you know references flitter on but that was before we had

[1:05:16] Voice 6: heard it all from from us and so it puts a bit of a different complexion on those policies and how

[1:05:27] Voice 6: we want to address them i i think i mean i get the sense from the community that there's um a much

[1:05:37] Voice 6: lower level of concern that the ministry doesn't like them then there might be the um

[1:05:44] Voice 6: with the first nations concerns about them. That's my sense.

[1:05:49] Voice 6: I mean, I don't, I don't have any objective way of saying that,

[1:05:55] Voice 6: but I think that I certainly heard a lot of public comment about the,

[1:06:00] Voice 6: you know, the ministry is concerned, basically saying, well, you know,

[1:06:06] Voice 6: we don't care if the ministry doesn't like it.

[1:06:09] Voice 6: now that there's some possibility that some of those same policies are of concern to the

[1:06:16] Voice 6: first nations it puts a different complexion on it and i think i don't know how we can address

[1:06:22] Voice 6: that in terms of the referral to the apc without getting some more uh information from snow novels

[1:06:31] Voice 6: on on like is it everything in that section that glenrod objects to are there just certain items

[1:06:39] Voice 13: that

[1:06:40] Voice 6: they see as gradually hampering their access to in their activities on those lands

[1:06:45] Voice 6: um because yeah so there's there's now there's sort of two um outside

[1:06:55] Voice 6: groups that that have have some issues with these yeah um and i think that one

[1:07:02] Voice 6: has more weight in in our community than the other one and and so it's sort of a new um

[1:07:10] Voice 6: it's a bit of a new situation for us that we now have first nation has concerns and i'm not clear

[1:07:16] Voice 6: exactly where those within

[1:07:18] Voice 6: those policies are and if we can't

[1:07:21] Voice 13: if

[1:07:22] Voice 6: we can drill down and find

[1:07:23] Voice 6: exactly where they are that would be great i'm just i mean i think we could probably let the

[1:07:32] Voice 6: apc have a go at this referral but without some context and you know because then we do get the

[1:07:41] Voice 6: information from us and you know and we've got that loud and clear from the apc well

[1:07:48] Voice 6: you know to heck with plinrod and you know these are really important policies for us

[1:07:54] Voice 6: i think somehow we need to be able to give them the contacts that what

[1:07:58] Trustee Elliott: you're talking about

[1:07:59] Trustee Elliott: stacking the process appropriately so that

[1:08:03] Trustee Elliott: we don't try to refer something to the apc without

[1:08:09] Trustee Elliott: without the information that we need from Santa as as to what their issues concern might be like

[1:08:16] Voice 6: there's more to that section in terms like when it got referred it was we were only dealing with

[1:08:24] Voice 6: the clone rod objections yeah

[1:08:25] Trustee Elliott: but we did now

[1:08:27] Voice 6: there we know there are our First Nations objections to

[1:08:31] Voice 6: some of that but we don't know the details yeah and so I'm not sure if we want to um put that

[1:08:39] Voice 6: referral on hold until we can get some of that information uh i know the apc when we appoint

[1:08:47] Voice 6: them is going to be eager to get their get their teeth into the meaty bits of what we're referring

[1:08:53] Voice 6: them to but i just think in terms of like i don't want to let this referral go ahead without that

[1:08:58] Voice 6: context that there's some concerns

[1:09:01] Trustee Elliott: about that first nations project um i mean you just you

[1:09:06] Trustee Elliott: did start off by saying there's two potential referrals to the apc the

[1:09:10] Trustee Elliott: second being community

[1:09:11] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[1:09:11] Voice 6: i think the community benefit one is so

[1:09:13] Trustee Elliott: could we focus

[1:09:13] Voice 6: more internal i think that's more about

[1:09:16] Voice 6: our community um so

[1:09:19] Trustee Elliott: could we think about that being the first sort of action for the new apc

[1:09:24] Trustee Elliott: to undertake is look at this um defining community benefit while we work on hearing

[1:09:31] Trustee Elliott: hearing back from Sonowis as to what exactly their issues of concern might be. I don't

[1:09:38] Trustee Elliott: think we need to rush to refer anything to the ABC because it's not even constituted

[1:09:43] Trustee Elliott: yet. Hello. Trustee Leroni,

[1:09:48] Voice 13: do you have any thoughts on this?

[1:09:52] Trustee Elliott: I just agree with Tim. I

[1:09:54] Trustee Elliott: think it's very important that we figure out what the issue is before we do a bunch of

[1:09:58] Trustee Elliott: work that ends up being unnecessary or before the apc ends up doing a bunch of work that's

[1:10:02] Trustee Elliott: unnecessary it's important to have the first nations perspective on what we're doing here

[1:10:08] Trustee Elliott: so can the meeting minutes reflect this that there's some consensus around the idea that

[1:10:15] Trustee Elliott: we don't want to refer anything to the apc without having heard back from

[1:10:21] Trustee Elliott: senalis about activity

[1:10:22] Voice 6: number one on the follow-up action i

[1:10:25] Trustee Elliott: don't think these are

[1:10:25] Trustee Elliott: enlisted in priority i think it's just an order of time right

[1:10:28] Voice 6: time oh yeah the april yeah april

[1:10:31] Trustee Elliott: and then april

[1:10:32] Voice 6: 11 22 yeah because that june one the number one on june i i i feel perfectly fine

[1:10:37] Voice 6: about sending that out to the new apc okay um but i just i think we would do the abc a disservice if

[1:10:45] Voice 6: we didn't get some more information on that other item before we refer to it yeah

[1:10:52] Voice 13: i agree with that

[1:10:54] Voice 13: And

[1:10:55] Voice 6: then just from staff, do you need any direction on sort of delaying that one referral to the APC and going ahead with the second one?

[1:11:07] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:11:08] Trustee Elliott: we need an LTC resolution that clearly stipulates what we want referred to the APC, what's included in that referral, the purpose of it,

[1:11:17] Trustee Elliott: so that they have clear directions that we put into the referral to them around what it is that

[1:11:23] Trustee Elliott: you're looking for and any background information that they need to consider that's part of that

[1:11:28] Trustee Elliott: referral and then a resolution to defer any type of discussion for their discussion until

[1:11:37] Voice 7: the matter is synopsis then

[1:11:39] Voice 2: addressed

[1:11:40] Voice 7: so something

[1:11:46] Trustee Elliott: to the effect that staff refer the question

[1:11:48] Trustee Elliott: or that well that the ltc refer the issue of defining community benefits

[1:12:00] Trustee Elliott: to the apc as a first order of discussion and defer the discussion on or defer the referral

[1:12:12] Trustee Elliott: referral regarding the Flynn rod application and tell such time as so now has submitted comments or

[1:12:23] Trustee Elliott: been consulted so maybe that effect well

[1:12:28] Voice 5: what do you want to think about it

[1:12:30] Voice 5: anybody oh excuse me

[1:12:32] Voice 5: so

[1:12:33] Voice 6: just one more point of clarity to staff uh this the the the second one that the

[1:12:45] Voice 6: community benefit do we need to address that by resolution would that not just be

[1:12:51] Voice 6: that referral office go ahead unless we requested not to well

[1:12:55] Trustee Elliott: it would be helpful i i'm not involved

[1:12:57] Trustee Elliott: in this project at all so it'd be helpful since i'd likely be the one drafting the referral to

[1:13:02] Trustee Elliott: the apc to give them some

[1:13:03] Trustee Elliott: background information they are all going to be potentially new members

[1:13:08] Trustee Elliott: okay

[1:13:08] Voice 6: i'll go ahead then um so i moved that little skinny local trust committee request that the

[1:13:17] Voice 6: request that staff prepare a referral to the APC to either define community benefit for the OCP

[1:13:26] Voice 6: project as it relates to temporary use permits or recommend a process by which the LTC

[1:13:32] Voice 7: could define community benefit well

[1:13:39] Voice 13: done trustee Peterson moments on the fly I like it

[1:13:45] Trustee Elliott: I'll second that so we can

[1:13:47] Voice 5: discuss check in with Catherine make sure she's gone

[1:13:49] Voice 5: um

[1:13:50] Voice 1: hi trustee peterson i didn't quite catch that because i was looking at the um

[1:13:55] Voice 1: the um agenda package of defined community benefit and so i sort of missed it

[1:14:04] Voice 1: okay well

[1:14:05] Voice 6: actually i was reading off uh i was cribbing off page six yeah

[1:14:11] Voice 1: that's what i was

[1:14:11] Voice 1: reading off of but then you added to it i

[1:14:13] Voice 6: changed a little bit so i said that uh

[1:14:16] Voice 6: the Lusketia Island Local Trust Committee requests staff

[1:14:20] Voice 6: to prepare a referral for the APC

[1:14:26] Voice 6: to either define community benefit for the OCP project

[1:14:30] Voice 6: as it relates to temporary permits.

[1:14:32] Voice 6: But yeah, so the rest of it's all just right off

[1:14:34] Voice 6: the boilerplate, which makes it sound,

[1:14:36] Voice 6: that's why it sounded like that would be really good.

[1:14:38] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:14:41] Voice 2: Great.

[1:14:44] Voice 2: Have you captured that, Catherine?

[1:14:47] Voice 2: Catherine?

[1:14:50] Voice 2: So it would be that the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee

[1:15:04] Voice 2: requests that staff prepare for the-

[1:15:11] Voice 14: Prepare a referral.

[1:15:12] Voice 1: Right, requests that staff prepare a referral

[1:15:16] Voice 1: for the APC to either define community benefit

[1:15:19] Voice 1: as it relates to temporary use permits or,

[1:15:22] Voice 1: and then I don't have the other, or-

[1:15:27] Voice 6: It's right there at the bottom of that on page six,

[1:15:29] Voice 6: it's or recommend a process by which the ltc could define

[1:15:34] Voice 14: community benefit okay

[1:15:37] Voice 2: okay

[1:15:50] Voice 2: okay so okay go ahead um no i've got that thing okay

[1:16:00] Trustee Elliott: we're just gonna

[1:16:01] Trustee Elliott: pause for a second um trustee laroni is taking a free break um and then

[1:16:11] Trustee Elliott: would we need a motion to defer the referral to a to the apc about the clim rod application

[1:16:21] Trustee Elliott: okay you're starting off fresh the direction is fresh okay no question as to whether or not

[1:16:26] Trustee Elliott: this is still what's happening from the previous ltc right

[1:16:29] Trustee Elliott: anywhere that you have

[1:16:30] Voice 13: this okay it's

[1:16:35] Voice 13: good i just have

[1:16:36] Voice 13: like one minute likely after the

[1:16:38] Trustee Elliott: vote because you're still in this resolution

[1:16:40] Trustee Elliott: solutions it's about providing some more clarity around recommending the process by which the LTC

[1:16:47] Trustee Elliott: could define a term what the thoughts were around you know what what community engagement or is it

[1:16:59] Trustee Elliott: research what process does the LTC need help with for creating a definition in your own CV

[1:17:04] Trustee Elliott: but pretty standard processes and planning that would be utilized

[1:17:09] Trustee Elliott: that is something more than what we typically would use to create clearly defined concepts or

[1:17:17] Trustee Elliott: terms in a document that needs to be interpreted

[1:17:20] Voice 5: um

[1:17:22] Voice 6: through the chair uh so i can't speak to this

[1:17:26] Voice 6: because i'm pretty sure i made this an initial motion the discussion was um we were looking at

[1:17:34] Voice 6: at the section on temporary use permits

[1:17:39] Voice 6: and community benefit was mentioned there in the language,

[1:17:45] Voice 6: but we didn't have any definition of community benefit

[1:17:48] Voice 6: anywhere in the OCP.

[1:17:51] Voice 6: So the discussion was about,

[1:17:53] Voice 6: it would be appropriate that we do some level of public

[1:17:59] Voice 6: and get a sense of how we wanna define community

[1:18:05] Voice 6: benefit and so the the concept was let's refer this to the apc but the apc uh feels like it's

[1:18:14] Voice 6: beyond what they want to come up a recommendation uh for the for the ocp project uh around community

[1:18:24] Voice 6: benefit then um then the ask says can you recommend a process back to the ltc in other words

[1:18:32] Voice 6: if the apc says no we're not going to define this then the further ask is like okay apc then if

[1:18:39] Voice 6: you're not going to find it give us some recommendations on how we work with the

[1:18:43] Voice 6: community to define it so that we've got a community benefit definition in there that

[1:18:49] Voice 6: is reflective of the community's wants and needs so

[1:18:53] Trustee Elliott: could we suggest work with staff to recommend

[1:18:59] Trustee Elliott: in the process presumably staff would be working with the apc um and staff would be able to provide

[1:19:08] Trustee Elliott: direction as to what's available in the budget do we have a special meeting is this an open

[1:19:17] Trustee Elliott: public conversation i

[1:19:19] Voice 6: mean so my sense is that um that this that we don't need to make this referral

[1:19:25] Voice 6: a lot more detailed um because we're going to hear from the new apc either hey this is what

[1:19:34] Voice 6: we think is a good definition of community benefit or we don't want to we don't want to

[1:19:40] Voice 6: try and define it and and so um i think if that's the answer we get back then we can go more in

[1:19:50] Voice 6: depth i don't think we need to enlarge that much on this motion of this but

[1:19:54] Trustee Elliott: sonia were you asking

[1:19:55] Trustee Elliott: give the clarity not as part of the motion but because we draft the referral yeah and if the

[1:20:02] Trustee Elliott: resolution has any ambiguity to it we're at the apc meetings typically supporting the apcs with

[1:20:09] Trustee Elliott: some background information if the trustees aren't there and then they ask what do they need by this

[1:20:13] Trustee Elliott: and if we have some contacts with all i need a little bit of contact then i can make sure that

[1:20:18] Trustee Elliott: the referrals sort of stand at the moment right here okay so

[1:20:21] Trustee Elliott: that's fine i think right okay the

[1:20:23] Voice 6: because the context is around the section on temporary use permits and that does that help

[1:20:28] Voice 6: well

[1:20:29] Trustee Elliott: i

[1:20:36] Voice 6: mean i think that there's you know there

[1:20:41] Voice 6: that was less of ambiguous in the sense because maybe they're going to recommend a survey maybe

[1:20:46] Voice 6: they're going to recommend a community information meeting i

[1:20:48] Trustee Elliott: mean that's um then i interpreted it

[1:20:51] Trustee Elliott: correct okay

[1:20:51] Voice 6: i know clarity is good and uh

[1:20:55] Voice 5: well obviously we should go ahead with this motion

[1:20:58] Voice 5: okay

[1:20:58] Trustee Elliott: well i didn't second it so we're sort of into the discussion now so if there's anything else to

[1:21:03] Trustee Elliott: um i have nothing further okay all right should i call for the vote on um this referral to staff

[1:21:14] Trustee Elliott: off to the apc regarding that demanding community benefits all those in favor let me say aye

[1:21:22] Trustee Elliott: that is so moved and approved one more question first that on the second yes so

[1:21:29] Voice 5: in the absence of a motion now for the other referral here um you you wouldn't

[1:21:40] Voice 5: uh continue with the referral

[1:21:42] Voice 6: at this point no um can we just leave this on the on the on the

[1:21:48] Voice 6: report so that it shows up for our next meeting on

[1:21:51] Voice 3: the follow-up action on

[1:21:52] Voice 6: the follow-up action

[1:21:52] Voice 6: list yeah like if we don't we're not giving any direction to do anything with it but we're also

[1:21:57] Voice 6: not giving any direction to take it off is that

[1:22:00] Voice 5: sufficient or do you need to be like motion

[1:22:04] Voice 5: it's stated that's in progress so i

[1:22:08] Trustee Elliott: wonder if it would be helpful though to specify

[1:22:10] Trustee Elliott: specify if in order for it to stay on the activity list if we could specify that we would refer we're

[1:22:19] Trustee Elliott: choosing to defer the referral to the APC until we've heard back from Sonalis on on this um issue

[1:22:30] Trustee Elliott: so we're setting it well

[1:22:31] Voice 6: I have some clarity in anyone

[1:22:34] Voice 6: reading it for anyone reading the agenda

[1:22:36] Voice 6: I guess I was just wondering what a staff

[1:22:39] Voice 4: needed specific direction around it no I

[1:22:41] Trustee Elliott: was just suggesting that it's neat and tidy to have some direction today so that it's on the

[1:22:46] Trustee Elliott: record so why or why not there hasn't been any action because it's a

[1:22:50] Trustee Elliott: staff directed piece right

[1:22:52] Trustee Elliott: where the political piece is important to clarify where that direction comes from so number one

[1:22:57] Trustee Elliott: under april 2022 i could put an updated note as of you know january 23rd 2023

[1:23:06] Trustee Elliott: the LTC discussed

[1:23:08] Trustee Elliott: halting the referral to the APC

[1:23:11] Trustee Elliott: and it's not a resolution but at least there's a note

[1:23:13] Trustee Elliott: that captures what happens so we don't have to do through the minutes to figure out

[1:23:17] Trustee Elliott: thank you

[1:23:19] Trustee Elliott: so helpful if you could keep that current

[1:23:24] Trustee Elliott: lord knows dating through the minutes is going to be

[1:23:26] Trustee Elliott: something we're all going to get familiar with

[1:23:30] Voice 5: not as much fun as it sounds like

[1:23:34] Trustee Elliott: alright

[1:23:34] Trustee Elliott: right and so we're fine with keeping the standing resolution about the meeting procedures and

[1:23:47] Trustee Elliott: everything else looks completed and so if we look forward to future projects potential future

[1:23:56] Trustee Elliott: projects um so i know that shoreline management plan is so there's two items of potential future

[1:24:08] Trustee Elliott: future projects. The first would be apply for community to community grant funding,

[1:24:14] Trustee Elliott: which we discussed to support relationship building events with First Nations with interest

[1:24:18] Trustee Elliott: in the Speedy Local Trust area.

[1:28:52] Voice 7: Are they supposed

[1:28:54] Voice 5: to demand that

[1:28:54] Voice 7: we do that? So that is held?

[1:28:57] Voice 7: Yes, because at this point in time, they're going to

[1:29:09] Voice 3: apply their own, apply their own

[1:29:15] Voice 11: really more attention

[1:29:16] Trustee Elliott: to the issue they want to write to the

[1:29:18] Trustee Elliott: local trust like make sure you get

[1:29:20] Voice 11: If

[1:29:20] Trustee Elliott: you're writing

[1:29:21] Voice 11: in, it's one letter

[1:29:23] Trustee Elliott: of correspondence to register with the committee.

[1:29:25] Trustee Elliott: I can't participate

[1:29:26] Voice 13: in meetings because I'm not here.

[1:29:28] Voice 13: I know this meeting is

[1:29:29] Trustee Elliott: recorded, so this is really hard.

[1:29:31] Voice 13: So,

[1:29:31] Trustee Elliott: right? And then we can raise that.

[1:29:34] Voice 13: I don't know, I can't go to the meeting.

[1:29:36] Trustee Elliott: But it's more about how people get to know each

[1:29:39] Voice 13: other more and how people read each other.

[1:29:41] Voice 13: And then, I mean,

[1:29:43] Voice 10: that is corresponding to each other.

[1:30:00] Voice 10: No, well, yeah,

[1:30:03] Voice 7: I'm just really

[1:30:03] Voice 10: not clear to do that.

[1:30:39] Trustee Elliott: Apologies to the public.

[1:30:40] Voice 3: We are now

[1:30:41] Trustee Elliott: resuming the business meeting if members of the board,

[1:30:45] Trustee Elliott: no, we are still continuing

[1:30:47] Voice 5: the business.

[1:30:47] Voice 5: It shut

[1:30:48] Trustee Elliott: down because I lost power.

[1:30:50] Trustee Elliott: Apologize.

[1:30:51] Trustee Elliott: So we're going to break it one and we're going to continue this discussion.

[1:30:55] Trustee Elliott: I apologize to those watching.

[1:30:56] Trustee Elliott: Chief and

[1:30:57] Voice 8: Sir.

[1:31:00] Trustee Elliott: Sir, we're continuing the meeting now.

[1:31:05] Trustee Elliott: Thanks. Sorry about that. The interruption was my fault.

[1:31:08] Trustee Elliott: Technology interrupted, as it so often loves to do. Um, so we're

[1:31:16] Trustee Elliott: going to planners have been accurate saying you're going to

[1:31:18] Trustee Elliott: know the update that we'll refer, we've decided to defer

[1:31:22] Trustee Elliott: for that um referral regarding the application to the apc and now anything else we were talking

[1:31:32] Trustee Elliott: about future priorities for future projects list the first one was that um applying for

[1:31:40] Trustee Elliott: the ctc grant funding the second was a discussion about shoreline management plan which is we heard

[1:31:47] Trustee Elliott: from um director fall that this might be a key piece that the rdn has already worked on

[1:31:56] Trustee Elliott: and so there's also a list of strategic initiatives that have been advanced to the

[1:32:06] Trustee Elliott: regional planning committee with a brief description of each affordable housing

[1:32:11] Trustee Elliott: uh cdf ecosystem protection cultural heritage protection implementation

[1:32:16] Trustee Elliott: and then a shoreline review the ltc may wish to consider scheduling a special meeting to engage

[1:32:27] Trustee Elliott: in more detailed deliberations on identifying future projects or to engage in community

[1:32:31] Trustee Elliott: consultation um i had a thought on this just in regards to budget but go ahead trustee peterson

[1:32:41] Voice 6: yeah thank you chair um so i know this is the you know the regional planning renewal uh

[1:32:48] Voice 6: changing the format from the three projects to the one major one minor it's relatively new and

[1:32:54] Voice 6: so what i'm not what would i like some clarity uh from staff on is that given that's the new model

[1:33:02] Voice 6: if we uh if we suppose that we're going to keep the ocp review as our major project

[1:33:09] Voice 6: um then there's a couple of uh things that appear to me that they could be minor projects

[1:33:17] Voice 6: and i wonder if um sorry if specifically if the uh subdivision regulation um amendment

[1:33:33] Voice 6: uh to amend the uh the minimum lot size of time the time and subdivision from four hectares to

[1:33:44] Voice 6: 4.04 686 um would be considered a minor project because it's essentially it's going i mean it is

[1:33:58] Voice 6: a it is a bylaw revision but it's it's changing a single number to another number and i wonder

[1:34:07] Voice 6: if that's with staff that we would consider that as applicable as a minor project

[1:34:12] Trustee Elliott: yeah an amendment

[1:34:13] Trustee Elliott: to your land use bylaw potentially the official community plan we have to reference what the

[1:34:18] Trustee Elliott: numbers are in the ocp that might need to be both that need to be updated you still have to go through

[1:34:24] Trustee Elliott: the same legislative review process as with any bylaw amendment so that requires community

[1:34:28] Trustee Elliott: consultation engagement public hearing but it could potentially still fall under that minimum

[1:34:35] Trustee Elliott: um budget threshold that's okay to be the defining factor or is it minor is it major

[1:34:42] Trustee Elliott: uh as soon as it goes over a five thousand dollar threshold then it's considered a different funding

[1:34:49] Trustee Elliott: stream that you have to apply for so so

[1:34:53] Voice 6: if this is if i could just continue

[1:34:56] Voice 6: for a moment so uh just

[1:34:57] Voice 6: for everyone's clarity what i'm talking about is amending the city island landing's bylaw number

[1:35:03] Voice 6: number uh 78 our most recent amendment was by law number uh 95 amendment one which is uh january 21

[1:35:14] Voice 6: 2019 and what we had the intention of that was to um close the loophole and and affirm that we were

[1:35:26] Voice 6: um putting a 10 acre minimum in and whether it was a just administrative uh or or not uh what

[1:35:38] Voice 6: what went in that bylaw is is four hectares and this issue of the extra lots being able to be

[1:35:44] Voice 6: created has already happened once um there is potential for a number of extra lots to be

[1:35:52] Voice 6: created there's a rather large piece of property um we missed several hundreds of acres that uh

[1:36:02] Voice 6: uh has been through there's there was a dispute essentially amongst the owners about how they were

[1:36:08] Voice 6: gonna um proceed with that property there's been they've been through court and there's uh

[1:36:16] Voice 6: uh so there's serious potential that in the next couple of years that there's going to be a fairly

[1:36:24] Voice 6: extensive amount of subdivision and so I would um I would assert that fixing that numeric disparity

[1:36:34] Voice 6: in the land use bylaw is has some urgency from my my point of view um so that we can avoid having

[1:36:42] Voice 6: having more lots uh created than the byline intended and certainly than what we put out

[1:36:49] Voice 6: to the community at the time that we amended the bylaw

[1:36:51] Voice 13: um

[1:36:52] Voice 6: so I'm hearing staff say that this could

[1:36:56] Voice 6: be a uh considered a minor project and um I uh I'm happy to make a motion uh uh it's up to you

[1:37:08] Voice 6: chair we're going to have some discussion first but i would suggest that if we're going to

[1:37:14] Voice 6: prioritize something for our minor project i think that that's what i think we should

[1:37:19] Voice 6: make our minor project um at this point did

[1:37:23] Trustee Elliott: that not fall into the ocp major project like

[1:37:27] Trustee Elliott: and well

[1:37:27] Voice 6: it's still

[1:37:28] Trustee Elliott: budgeted and that process is stalled but

[1:37:32] Voice 6: it's it's the land use it's the

[1:37:34] Voice 6: land use bylaw that we're talking i'm talking about amending and as uh as far as the ocp goes

[1:37:43] Voice 6: um there hasn't been to date there hasn't been any change in the ocp that i think

[1:37:51] Voice 6: this amendment of that num that numerical value in the land use bylaw i don't see any indication

[1:37:57] Voice 6: that that's

[1:37:58] Trustee Elliott: just turn this down and answer that question so your ocp currently does stipulate

[1:38:03] Trustee Elliott: like that parcel should be at least four hectares 9.88 acres in subdivision district a at least eight

[1:38:09] Trustee Elliott: hectares in subdivision district b 19.77 acres so that that reference of acres and hectares was for

[1:38:15] Trustee Elliott: convenience in the ocb to give that direction right the land use file amendment that we did

[1:38:20] Trustee Elliott: a few years ago that was completely consistent with the ocb so it looks like you would need to

[1:38:25] Trustee Elliott: amend oh it would need

[1:38:26] Voice 6: to have the

[1:38:26] Trustee Elliott: numbers remember it wasn't an administrative error at all

[1:38:29] Trustee Elliott: just falling straight out of your ocp yeah

[1:38:33] Voice 6: okay so i guess the the confusion is is that um

[1:38:40] Voice 6: is this metric to to standard issue it

[1:38:43] Trustee Elliott: was always no

[1:38:44] Voice 6: no and i just mean in terms of the community

[1:38:47] Voice 6: conversation we've always said 10 acres and i hear what you're saying it says nine point eight eight

[1:38:55] Trustee Elliott: acres

[1:38:56] Voice 6: in the ocp so thank you for pointing that out because that that i

[1:39:01] Trustee Elliott: did that review regulation

[1:39:04] Trustee Elliott: sure

[1:39:05] Voice 6: yeah yeah through

[1:39:06] Trustee Elliott: this process yeah

[1:39:08] Voice 6: and i guess at the time we did it wasn't clear that

[1:39:13] Voice 6: this was going to crop up and be the issue of extra lots being created so that's probably why

[1:39:18] Voice 6: we just said oh what

[1:39:19] Trustee Elliott: do you need that extra lot um because

[1:39:23] Trustee Elliott: the the idea i think anecdotally

[1:39:25] Trustee Elliott: it was always 10 acre yeah lot sizes not 9.88 but really we use metrics right metrics the ocp was

[1:39:34] Trustee Elliott: drafted a long time ago it's always used the metric yeah as the as the base for four hectares

[1:39:40] Trustee Elliott: and that's what we did a revised update to the subdivision regulations 2018 2019 because it

[1:39:47] Trustee Elliott: was using a minimum average that was problematic for large parcels to be able to actually increase

[1:39:54] Trustee Elliott: density so the wording of the regulations was amended and it's it's consistent with the ocp

[1:40:01] Trustee Elliott: so there's no discrepancy there's no errors i haven't done an analysis for you but if you're

[1:40:08] Trustee Elliott: going to put this on your project list it has to be based in understanding that this is an ocp

[1:40:12] Trustee Elliott: and a larger discussion around the fact that people who are in stream of a subdivision would

[1:40:20] Trustee Elliott: still be permitted to use whatever the bylaw is at this time that they apply for a subdivision

[1:40:25] Trustee Elliott: between 9.88 acres four hectares but any new applications coming in after the bylaws amended

[1:40:32] Trustee Elliott: i've seen here we encourage larger parcel sizes we did try

[1:40:36] Trustee Elliott: to to recommend an overall

[1:40:38] Trustee Elliott: all the subdivisions in general to reduce the subdivision pressure because there's an enormous

[1:40:44] Voice 11: subdivision potential for this okay

[1:40:49] Voice 7: so

[1:40:50] Voice 14: given what

[1:40:52] Voice 6: you've just said about needing to amend

[1:40:54] Voice 6: those numbers in the ocp as well could we still consider that a minor project depending on how

[1:41:03] Trustee Elliott: much consultation and do you need to do yeah

[1:41:07] Voice 6: so that sort of we could pencil it in as a minor

[1:41:11] Voice 6: your project and if we find out that there's need to spend a lot more money uh then we might have

[1:41:18] Voice 6: anticipated that we just have to approach that when we get there and there's that there's the

[1:41:23] Voice 6: ltc um

[1:41:25] Voice 13: trust

[1:41:26] Voice 6: council has a

[1:41:27] Voice 5: fund funding stream that we

[1:41:29] Trustee Elliott: will be able to

[1:41:30] Voice 5: access there too if i'm

[1:41:31] Trustee Elliott: not wrong i think there's nothing has been spent this year on the ocp project there's a three

[1:41:38] Trustee Elliott: thousand dollar budget and nothing's been spent and could this not be considered a part of your

[1:41:44] Trustee Elliott: ocp review now we've identified a part that the community wants to discuss so

[1:41:51] Voice 6: my only concern is

[1:41:53] Voice 6: that if we fold it into the ocp review the larger project that it may take a lot longer to get this

[1:42:03] Voice 6: this done and that's why I I'm advocating that we make it our minor project uh in hopes that

[1:42:12] Voice 6: we can get this done in a timely fashion ideally before there's a bunch of new subdivision

[1:42:17] Voice 6: applications how

[1:42:19] Trustee Elliott: do you mean it would take more time like well

[1:42:21] Voice 6: no if it go if we if we lump this

[1:42:24] Voice 6: in with the OCP review there's still a fair bit of work to do on that um and and especially from

[1:42:30] Voice 6: that aspect of First Nation engagement. The time is what I'm considering there. It's not the

[1:42:37] Voice 6: volume of work on the OCP, it's the time that it might take specifically around the First Nations

[1:42:42] Voice 6: engagement. So as I said earlier, knowing that there's these potential subdivisions, I feel a

[1:42:51] Voice 6: bit of a sense of urgency to address this specific thing as its own minor project in the hopes that

[1:42:59] Voice 6: we could we could get this tidied up and and have it say exactly what i think the community has

[1:43:05] Voice 6: always felt it meant um because we the truth is we always talk about a 10 acre minimum no one talks

[1:43:12] Voice 6: about a 9.8 that's

[1:43:14] Voice 8: not that's more

[1:43:15] Voice 6: accurate 4.5 well it's 4.0 yeah exactly so that so so i i have

[1:43:22] a

[1:43:22] Voice 6: sense that it's probably not going to be a really controversial issue that's my sense

[1:43:30] Voice 6: because we have always for years and years my entire life we've talked about a 10 acre minimum

[1:43:36] Voice 3: on

[1:43:36] Voice 6: this island so i so i

[1:43:39] Voice 6: i'm not particularly concerned that it's going to blow up into an

[1:43:42] Voice 6: issue that requires you know months and months of public consultation i that's why i'm i wanted to

[1:43:48] Voice 6: check with staff to see if staff is is saying we could do it as a minor project and that's

[1:43:54] Voice 6: that's what i'm going to advocate for and uh um i'll just stop on this now because i recognize

[1:44:02] Voice 6: that other trustees might have other things they want to say or other priorities i have a

[1:44:07] Voice 6: i mean i have a list of other things a shopping list of stuff i want to get done but uh so if i

[1:44:11] Trustee Elliott: can summarize um you believe that there's broad community support for making this relatively small

[1:44:19] Trustee Elliott: change uh from 9.88 acres to specifically 10 acres because that's what the community is

[1:44:28] Trustee Elliott: already understood is the minimum lot size and you'd like to see this done

[1:44:34] Trustee Elliott: fairly quickly so not folded into the ocp review which is essentially stalled

[1:44:43] Trustee Elliott: what might be the implications um if i could ask staff of choosing this as a minor project

[1:44:49] Trustee Elliott: this year is there what do we need to consider well you would have a project charter that you

[1:44:56] Trustee Elliott: would need to endorse first that's the tool that we use when we start projects with you so that

[1:45:02] Trustee Elliott: you clearly outline what the work plan is what the objective is so the community understands

[1:45:07] Trustee Elliott: what's in and not not being considered so what's in scope and what's out of scope so there's no

[1:45:13] Trustee Elliott: debate about why aren't we considering x y or z because the ltc said this is what this project is

[1:45:19] Trustee Elliott: for instance and then here's the budget but right now until march 31st yes there's resources for

[1:45:27] Trustee Elliott: that but they wouldn't be utilized because to do the project charter is just staff time

[1:45:31] Trustee Elliott: and ltc time there's no engagement it's the next fiscal that you would be tapping into that

[1:45:36] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, minor practical budget of $4,000 to $5,000 to initiate notification, advertising, call rentals, whatever it is that, however you decide to design that engagement.

[1:45:49] Trustee Elliott: Is it just the standard one community information meeting before a public hearing, or do you expect to do mail-out or another additional notification so we can give you some advice on different options within the budget that you have?

[1:46:01] Trustee Elliott: have. And once you've endorsed the project charter, then it's

[1:46:06] Trustee Elliott: resourcing that project to ensure that it's forward, there

[1:46:10] Trustee Elliott: might be some ways to expedite the legislative process, the

[1:46:14] Trustee Elliott: review process in terms of how the public hearing is

[1:46:18] Trustee Elliott: coordinated with your current LTC meeting schedule versus

[1:46:21] Trustee Elliott: having a stand alone meeting, if you don't feel that this would

[1:46:26] Trustee Elliott: be a contentious issue, do you want to do an APC referral or

[1:46:29] Trustee Elliott: not those are all pieces that you would look at before you endorse the project charter so we have

[1:46:35] Trustee Elliott: the recipe laid out exactly how this is going to move forward we do have to do first nations

[1:46:40] Trustee Elliott: referrals and agency referrals are on any ocp as well as refer it to the minister for approval

[1:46:48] Trustee Elliott: so those pieces although we have suggested timelines around how much time we give for

[1:46:53] Trustee Elliott: those referrals once we send a bylaw to the minister what we did for denman recently it

[1:46:58] Trustee Elliott: was eight months before it was approved so in terms of closing a loop on potential subdivision

[1:47:05] Trustee Elliott: applications if they've made an application to the moody for subdivision the date of that

[1:47:10] Trustee Elliott: application if you're a land use file on ocp haven't been amended then it's not going to

[1:47:16] Trustee Elliott: close the door for those

[1:47:17] Trustee Elliott: individuals so we're looking at potentially eight months to one year

[1:47:23] Trustee Elliott: process just to change this one aspect of the OCP and LUB. That would

[1:47:28] Trustee Elliott: be an estimate that we

[1:47:29] Trustee Elliott: would give you to just keep in mind in terms of managing the public's expectations around this

[1:47:34] Trustee Elliott: but there is a piece to this because it's an official community plan bylaw that we don't

[1:47:38] Trustee Elliott: have control over how quickly the province you know

[1:47:41] Trustee Elliott: reviews those and this is this would not be

[1:47:43] Trustee Elliott: a priority bylaw from what we understand the ministry is working on housing any any housing

[1:47:49] Trustee Elliott: related bylaws or ecological protection those have bylaws that are yeah being prioritized

[1:47:58] Trustee Elliott: well the reason i asked whether it could be folded into the existing ocp project is because there is

[1:48:03] Trustee Elliott: a charter and there is funding for that and would it not be so would we be reopening this to the

[1:48:13] Trustee Elliott: public and we wouldn't have to go through like start a new charter and start the whole process

[1:48:18] Trustee Elliott: over again it's you'd have to

[1:48:20] Trustee Elliott: revise the project charter charter

[1:48:22] Trustee Elliott: and you'd update the community

[1:48:23] Trustee Elliott: and there's been an additional objective and scope item yeah minimum lot size is being amended

[1:48:30] Trustee Elliott: to be increased um in size could we start that process today by resolution that we're going to

[1:48:38] Trustee Elliott: amend the ocp review project charter to add this as a focal point and actually that could work to

[1:48:47] Trustee Elliott: expedite the process a little bit because we can get the public consultation underway while we're

[1:48:53] Trustee Elliott: waiting to hear back from us on the larger project we could do some work right now with community

[1:49:01] Trustee Elliott: on this one piece the subdivision minimum acre lot size what do you think

[1:49:08] Trustee Elliott: well i

[1:49:12] Voice 6: mean i hear what you're saying chair um

[1:49:14] Voice 6: um and i'm just concerned that as part of the uh larger project that that it may not move as

[1:49:26] Voice 6: quickly as it does um if it's a discrete project what

[1:49:30] Trustee Elliott: i'm hearing from staff though is it's going

[1:49:32] Trustee Elliott: to move at the pace of the referrals anyways and the approval of the the legislative process

[1:49:40] Trustee Elliott: and the ministry so i don't think we're going to get this done outside of eight to ten months and

[1:49:46] Trustee Elliott: i'm not pushing back i'm just

[1:49:47] Trustee Elliott: asking if that's if that is the

[1:49:49] Trustee Elliott: case yeah

[1:49:50] Voice 6: well and what's not clear to

[1:49:51] Voice 6: me about the larger ocp project is whether eight to ten months is at all realistic at this point

[1:49:58] Voice 6: of the timeline for the for the larger ocp review that's i'm not clear that it's going to

[1:50:03] Voice 6: be you

[1:50:04] Voice 6: know around the same timeline as if we do this as a discrete project and and so um yeah so the the

[1:50:15] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- The other consideration is a competing issue is that you are so only committed one minor.

[1:50:21] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer

[1:50:22] Voice 13: - yeah and

[1:50:23] Trustee Elliott: you'd be creating to yeah so you wouldn't have to sort of identify okay staff work on the submission regulation review project because there's actually tangible things that we can do.

[1:50:36] Trustee Elliott: uh perhaps but that would then halt and literally there's no resources for the larger OCP project

[1:50:43] Trustee Elliott: there really isn't you know the ability to do both concurrently if they're teased out separately yeah

[1:50:50] Trustee Elliott: so keeping them together there might be some synergies to advance one and the other as they

[1:50:58] Trustee Elliott: fall together you know as

[1:50:59] Trustee Elliott: they move forward um but if you pull them apart as two separate projects

[1:51:03] Trustee Elliott: theoretically those are two separate projects and you get resourced for one yes um

[1:51:10] Voice 6: okay that i'm

[1:51:12] Voice 6: feeling a little confused right now because i thought we just said that the larger ocp

[1:51:18] Voice 6: review was our major project and that this could be a minor project well

[1:51:22] Trustee Elliott: i thought we decided it

[1:51:23] Trustee Elliott: was minor because the larger ocp project doesn't have a larger budget so it's

[1:51:33] Voice 6: not

[1:51:34] Voice 6: then so that's saying we get only one minor project then and so

[1:51:40] Voice 6: we don't get a major project

[1:51:41] Voice 6: in a minor project we're just

[1:51:43] Voice 6: now knocked down to one project period yeah which

[1:51:46] Voice 6: is different than

[1:51:47] Voice 6: what i understood so

[1:51:48] Trustee Elliott: there was no business case it looks like submitted because there was no

[1:51:52] Trustee Elliott: idea that this project was going to be stalled because

[1:51:56] Voice 6: i what i'm clear unclear about is is if

[1:52:01] Voice 6: that wasn't sort of what i understood as the intention of the this new regime of uh one major

[1:52:08] Voice 6: one minor in terms of resourcing it sounds like sure you're allowed to have a major and a minor

[1:52:16] Voice 6: but only one is going to get resourced we

[1:52:19] Trustee Elliott: would have had to make the business case if it was going

[1:52:21] Trustee Elliott: to be a major project over 5 000 and so

[1:52:25] Voice 6: what i'm trying to get at is that because both of we have

[1:52:28] Voice 6: two projects that are under five thousand we're being denied resources for two projects because

[1:52:34] Voice 6: one of them is not over five thousand that's what i think i'm hearing so that unless we have a a

[1:52:41] Voice 6: more expensive project we have one expensive and one less expensive we get two projects resource

[1:52:46] Voice 6: but if we have two less expensive projects we only get one project resources that is i just want to

[1:52:51] Voice 6: get clear on this because that doesn't seem like the intent for two

[1:52:56] Trustee Elliott: different teams doing

[1:52:57] Trustee Elliott: for one so i think that's part of the issue is your minor projects would be done in-house

[1:53:03] Trustee Elliott: by staff i see okay

[1:53:05] Trustee Elliott: so if it

[1:53:05] Voice 6: doesn't go to regional planning team it's not a major project

[1:53:11] Voice 6: which means okay so that's how the resources work okay it's all clear to me thank you

[1:53:15] Voice 6: i was just like what which

[1:53:17] Trustee Elliott: is what yeah to

[1:53:19] Trustee Elliott: be i was trying to actually figure out how to get this

[1:53:21] Trustee Elliott: done with the

[1:53:22] Voice 11: resources that we have

[1:53:24] Trustee Elliott: and i understand there is still budget for i know

[1:53:27] Trustee Elliott: do this as a piece of work um i think it'd be perhaps achievable while

[1:53:36] Voice 6: we're waiting well

[1:53:37] Voice 6: yeah for

[1:53:37] Trustee Elliott: us to come back if

[1:53:39] Voice 6: given that that's that i've got a better understanding about the

[1:53:42] Voice 6: major and minor what that actually means in a functional uh in terms of resourcing

[1:53:48] Voice 6: that does make a lot more sense so

[1:53:53] Trustee Elliott: we have hit one o'clock and it might be time for a break

[1:53:56] Trustee Elliott: do we want to discuss anything else and then we can think about um active and future projects

[1:54:02] Trustee Elliott: and come back and um sort of close that discussion or do we want to keep going for another five

[1:54:08] Trustee Elliott: minutes and try to make come to a decision uh

[1:54:14] Voice 5: i'm fine to break it out okay

[1:54:17] Trustee Elliott: yeah i just want

[1:54:19] Trustee Elliott: to note that there are some other really cool active projects or future projects if we want

[1:54:26] Trustee Elliott: to think about 2024-25 if we want to undertake a major project for the next fiscal we would need

[1:54:34] Trustee Elliott: need to start developing a business case in the spring of this year and then so if we want to

[1:54:42] Trustee Elliott: contemplate shoreline mapping or anything else we need to have that business case ready for this

[1:54:48] Trustee Elliott: spring in order to adopt it for the next fiscal so that would be a major project that if Liskiti

[1:54:53] Trustee Elliott: wants to think about um something over five thousand dollars we probably have to make the

[1:55:01] Trustee Elliott: decision this meeting or in March in order to prepare that if I understand correctly all right

[1:55:09] Trustee Elliott: well let's break for lunch we have a lot of

[1:55:11] Trustee Elliott: thinking and eating and sugar replenishment

[1:55:13] Trustee Elliott: to do and thank you everybody and I'm just gonna stop the recording or pause the recording

[1:55:21] Trustee Elliott: I heard that

[1:55:25] Trustee Elliott: loud and clear Mr.

[1:55:26] Trustee Elliott: Mr.

[1:55:31] Voice 11: Anybody needs pastries.

[1:56:08] Voice 5: So what I'm hearing is that I've had a bit of a misunderstanding that

[1:56:12] Trustee Elliott: the major project

[1:56:14] Voice 5: And then it's being tied to the major project that's taken on by the regional project team

[1:56:22] who has over $5,000 and that the regional planning team is taking on that $5,000 project

[1:56:31] and we're still only getting as far as my project and we're being told to fix that subdivision

[1:57:09] Voice 5: I mean, I'm sure we can look it up.

[1:57:11] Voice 5: When the OCP provides

[1:57:15] Voice 5: non-independent

[1:57:16] Voice 5: language,

[1:57:18] Voice 5: the numerical

[1:57:20] Voice 5: chain that shipped out.

[1:57:23] Voice 5: Well, no, no, no.

[1:57:24] Voice 5: That's the same one.

[1:57:24] Voice 5: The whole point says 948, whatever.

[1:57:27] Voice 5: And the state doesn't need to care for it.

[1:57:29] Voice 5: That's right.

[1:57:31] Voice 5: Yes.

[1:57:33] Voice 5: However, being told, is it in terms of

[1:57:35] Voice 5: staff resources?

[1:57:36] Voice 5: source.

[1:57:38] Voice 6: It's either it's either the whole OCP project or just a

[1:57:44] Voice 6: minor thing.

[1:57:49] There was no

[1:57:54] Voice 8: put yourself in respect

[1:57:55] he

[1:57:57] Voice 8: can't

[1:58:02] Voice 10: yeah honestly i'm surprised

[1:58:26] Voice 10: And then there's myself,

[1:58:27] Voice 7: where

[1:58:29] Voice 10: I just, and both Kim and, you know, they're both aware of the situation.

[1:58:37] Trustee Elliott: I've

[1:58:37] Voice 10: had to, I've had to take me to the park still, so that I could take and deal with my heart clinic in Manila.

[1:58:49] Voice 10: My heart doctor cannot contact me, right?

[1:58:53] Voice 10: Right? I can't contact my heart doctor if anything goes wrong.

[1:58:58] Voice 10: Then there's my wife, who is prone to fall.

[1:59:03] Voice 10: And...

[1:59:04] Voice 10: Why don't you stop the recording?

[1:59:05] Voice 10: I stopped

[1:59:07] Trustee Elliott: recording. It's still live streaming, though.

[1:59:09] Trustee Elliott: Well, set to mute.

[1:59:10] Trustee Elliott: Oh, thanks.

[1:59:12] Trustee Elliott: Sorry.

[2:27:54] Trustee Elliott: morning and we are live streaming thank you everyone and members of the public for your

[2:28:02] Trustee Elliott: patience we are back in business it's 1 35 and we're continuing our review of active and future

[2:28:12] Trustee Elliott: projects and the discussion around projects that this ltc might want to consider for the 2024-25

[2:28:20] Trustee Elliott: budget cycle um although we could finish off this discussion of major and minor projects

[2:28:28] Trustee Elliott: maybe that would be the first so does anyone have any other thoughts on um

[2:28:39] Trustee Elliott: potential future projects shopping list he said but tim had a shopping list

[2:28:46] Trustee Elliott: so i

[2:28:52] Voice 14: did

[2:28:58] Voice 6: the land use file and looked at that um it's gonna come up but uh

[2:29:05] Voice 6: potentially amending

[2:29:10] Voice 6: our strategy for

[2:29:11] Voice 6: tennis systems. I think that's

[2:29:13] Voice 6: coming up in due course.

[2:29:16] Voice 6: It's new business.

[2:29:17] Voice 6: New business.

[2:29:19] Voice 6: That's something that we could look at.

[2:29:21] Voice 6: I don't know. I certainly don't think it's

[2:29:23] Voice 6: urgent.

[2:29:25] Voice 6: We talked about approaching

[2:29:34] Voice 6: that there was a motion from the

[2:29:37] Voice 6: previous LTC to approach the

[2:29:39] Voice 6: SNAS about

[2:29:41] Voice 6: the official belief

[2:29:42] Voice 6: new plan referral response as soon as possible i think that's sort of that's underway because of

[2:29:50] Voice 6: that um you get to have that one meeting and uh

[2:30:00] Voice 6: is director of freighters uh sort of carrying the ball at this point um there's a few things

[2:30:09] Voice 6: that were in the report that i had some notes on um yeah how can we best approach effective first

[2:30:23] Voice 6: nations consultation at this point when this new senior government policy advisor expects to be

[2:30:30] Voice 6: confirmed can we request her assistance for this portion of the project now

[2:30:35] Voice 5: it's one of

[2:30:37] Voice 6: the questions i had see like that that person is not uh as far as i know is not yet hired

[2:30:45] Voice 6: can we preemptively request some assistance for them from them on the the consultation piece here

[2:30:56] Trustee Elliott: i can't provide any clarity on what their work programs going on right

[2:31:01] Voice 6: i mean we could of course

[2:31:03] Voice 6: we could preemptively request that doesn't mean we're going to get it um just i have a couple

[2:31:11] Voice 6: other notes on the the report here um on page 13 um and a bullet to see under the strategic

[2:31:24] Voice 6: initiatives there's cultural heritage protection implementation uh phase one of a project project

[2:31:31] Voice 6: to develop criteria for identification of cultural heritage sites um which did not include deliberate

[2:31:39] Voice 6: mapping implementation could include designation of heritage conservation areas based on existing

[2:31:46] Voice 6: mapping uh designation of shoreline areas or first nations recommendations and so my question

[2:31:54] Voice 6: there is can this be answers probably yes but it doesn't it's going to help slow everything down

[2:32:01] Voice 6: it could be include that into the ocp review project consideration of that i'm hearing a

[2:32:08] Voice 6: yes from staff on that um can

[2:32:13] Trustee Elliott: i ask a question before you move on yeah um is the cultural

[2:32:18] Trustee Elliott: heritage protection implementation here or that suggested is this separate from the cultural

[2:32:25] Trustee Elliott: cultural heritage overlay mapping program that was halted at the end of last year that was that went

[2:32:35] Trustee Elliott: for a year and then we lost the consultants and some I believe some Nations came back with concerns

[2:32:41] Trustee Elliott: about the

[2:32:42] Trustee Elliott: process so is this a different potential project that is just specific to the skidi that's

[2:32:49] Trustee Elliott: not a part of got larger like we could conceivably move forward on this or we're in the status of

[2:32:58] Trustee Elliott: this isn't being funded at all the regional cultural

[2:33:02] Voice 11: heritage protection yeah

[2:33:07] Voice 2: for the chair

[2:33:08] Voice 2: i understood

[2:33:11] Trustee Elliott: that this cultural heritage protection implementation phase one is complete

[2:33:15] Trustee Elliott: with no further work to do at the regional planning committee level and so now it's up

[2:33:22] Trustee Elliott: to each individual local trust committee to determine whether or not it's still relevant

[2:33:25] Trustee Elliott: for them to advance okay mapping for example conservation areas heritage conservation areas

[2:33:33] Trustee Elliott: to be designated and working with their adjacent first nations to determine whether or not it's a

[2:33:39] Trustee Elliott: priority locally so um yes as part of your official community plan review process ideally

[2:33:46] Trustee Elliott: that piece has been contemplated i'm not familiar with the ocp project that you've undertaken to

[2:33:53] Trustee Elliott: date in terms of whether or not this was even part of the scoping uh but that's additional

[2:33:58] Trustee Elliott: direction you could give is do you still endorse the project charter as drafted or do you wish to

[2:34:04] Trustee Elliott: expand the scope of that project at this time knowing now that there are significant First

[2:34:10] Trustee Elliott: Nations issues that may need to still be discussed that might lead to some synergies around ensuring

[2:34:19] Trustee Elliott: that the OCP reflects those values and interests more explicitly versus just as sort of

[2:34:28] Trustee Elliott: introduction language or something i like what what you just said there um and i see two

[2:34:37] Trustee Elliott: possibilities of synergy if there is a shoreline management plan in the works which is if you just

[2:34:46] Trustee Elliott: look at the previous page um as a potential future project and hearing what we heard from

[2:34:52] Trustee Elliott: the regional director that shoreline sea level rise mapping has been done so perhaps we could

[2:35:02] Trustee Elliott: consider whether shoreline areas and consulting the first nations in terms of the values and

[2:35:14] Trustee Elliott: also the science like can we combine sort of the cultural discussion of cultural values and

[2:35:19] Trustee Elliott: the scientific sort of mapping of sea level rise into a shoreline management project like

[2:35:27] Trustee Elliott: could that be developed jointly with first nations and as a conversation a way to move the ocp

[2:35:33] Trustee Elliott: project forward or the next step perhaps i don't know yeah the draft bylaws that i understand you

[2:35:40] Trustee Elliott: have right now at first reading are do not incorporate any of that okay so you literally

[2:35:45] Trustee Elliott: need to rescind first reading of those bylaws if they're complaining some significant

[2:35:49] Trustee Elliott: changes. So I guess

[2:35:51] Trustee Elliott: that's the first step is for this LTC to potentially look at the draft

[2:36:00] Trustee Elliott: proposed bylaws and first reading, knowing that there's still engagement with First Nations

[2:36:05] Trustee Elliott: outstanding, but there might be some substantive changes to these proposed bylaws that you want

[2:36:11] Trustee Elliott: to make a hard look at where the LTC is at with those bylaws in terms of comfort around

[2:36:17] Trustee Elliott: around when reflecting a final product or if they really are quite preliminary and draft

[2:36:21] Trustee Elliott: in nature

[2:36:22] Voice 3: or

[2:36:23] Trustee Elliott: if you were very confident you gave first reading that this was really as

[2:36:26] Trustee Elliott: close as possible to the changes that you wanted to embed into the document.

[2:36:31] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[2:36:35] Trustee Elliott: I'm hearing that cultural heritage might be a separate potential future project, not

[2:36:42] Trustee Elliott: something that we'd want to fold into the existing OCP project.

[2:36:49] Voice 6: yeah and i i just wanted to ask that question um and you know on a little bit more uh

[2:36:58] Voice 6: consideration there i mean i still think it's a worthy project but um

[2:37:08] Voice 6: you know in the interest of trying to advance um the ocp project i'm not sure that widening the

[2:37:19] Voice 6: scope at by that much at this point is is working towards the goal of trying to complete this

[2:37:28] Voice 6: the review that started last term um definitely it's worthy of consideration as a future project

[2:37:37] Voice 6: um sorry

[2:37:39] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[2:37:40] Voice 6: there's there's a couple other points a couple members of the public mentioned

[2:37:45] Voice 6: the you know second bullet on uh page 14 where it mentions um uh development permit area delegation

[2:37:56] Voice 6: um i don't think that i mean that's not going to be we at present we have no development permit

[2:38:04] Voice 6: areas so that's i don't think that would um fit as a priority for from my perspective um of those

[2:38:14] Voice 6: those three potential administrative bylaw amendments.

[2:38:24] Voice 6: You know, the number three,

[2:38:28] Voice 6: the amendments to the freedom of information bylaws

[2:38:33] Voice 6: probably more relevant.

[2:38:35] Voice 6: And then the other thing that,

[2:38:37] Voice 6: so there's a comment in the report about the LTC

[2:38:43] Voice 6: may wish to consider scheduling a special meeting

[2:38:46] Voice 6: to engage in more detailed deliberations

[2:38:48] Voice 6: on identifying future projects,

[2:38:49] Voice 6: which i

[2:38:51] Voice 6: think is a great idea um but i also feel like that with the ocp review where it stands

[2:39:02] Voice 6: right now i feel like there's some expectation from the public that that's what we're going to

[2:39:07] Voice 6: work on like at the beginning of the term that's what our priority is that's my sense from

[2:39:14] Voice 6: um the public meetings we had the all candidates meeting um and that sort of thing that that

[2:39:24] Voice 6: you know working on getting the ocp um finished is is is where we need to focus

[2:39:34] Voice 6: and

[2:39:35] Trustee Elliott: i really like

[2:39:36] Voice 6: the idea of scheduling a special meeting when we're finished with the

[2:39:40] Voice 6: we

[2:39:41] Trustee Elliott: are talking about potential major projects in the next fiscal and if our ocp review continues

[2:39:48] Trustee Elliott: to be a minor project it stays on the books what we're contemplating is do we want to

[2:39:56] Trustee Elliott: consult with the community as a very early engagement piece going is shoreline mapping

[2:40:04] Trustee Elliott: mapping and sea level rise important to this community to look at in 2025 26 or 24 25 or is

[2:40:13] Trustee Elliott: indigenous cultural heritage and sort of presenting these potential options to the community so that

[2:40:20] Trustee Elliott: we can have some sense of where the community wants to go in longer term is that yeah

[2:40:28] Voice 6: no i mean i i

[2:40:29] Voice 6: i hear what you're saying and i like that idea um i would just maybe also add that i think there

[2:40:35] Voice 6: there's probably some expectation that when we're finished the ocp review that we're gonna

[2:40:42] Voice 6: um at the very least uh do some work to make sure that the land use bylaw and the

[2:40:50] Voice 6: revised ocp align nicely and so i mean again that's

[2:40:56] Voice 5: priority thing um

[2:41:00] Trustee Elliott: Are you interested in looking at the options to schedule a special meeting to identify future priorities that could, again, thinking of the fiscal, if you want to do a major project in 24-25, we'll have to get that together as a business case by April.

[2:41:21] Trustee Elliott: So we need to decide that now or in March.

[2:41:25] Trustee Elliott: so having a meeting between now and march is that feasible i'm not really sure that's a good question

[2:41:34] Trustee Elliott: on gabriel island we chose to make our february business meeting or we're going to discuss it

[2:41:43] Trustee Elliott: this week either a partial business meeting and a partial um sort of strategy setting session with

[2:41:50] Trustee Elliott: the community or it might be altogether we defer the business because it's a light month and we

[2:41:55] Trustee Elliott: just do strategy um with the community so that we're not trying to wedge in another separate

[2:42:00] Trustee Elliott: meeting um and that was do you have any thoughts on that sonia your idea that there is a follow-up

[2:42:11] Trustee Elliott: to the ocp review is bang on and that's the part of the planners you know really want to remind you

[2:42:16] Trustee Elliott: out is that just because you amended the OCP doesn't mean you're done because now we're going

[2:42:20] Trustee Elliott: to fly it for you that you land your file to really make sure that that's consistent and if

[2:42:28] Trustee Elliott: your project was designed to only amend the OCP with no contemplation about how that impacts the

[2:42:33] Trustee Elliott: land use file then we need to provide you with a bit of an analysis of where your draft your

[2:42:38] Trustee Elliott: proposed bylaws are at how does that factor into what changes might be needed it might be very

[2:42:43] Trustee Elliott: very minor, or it might require more significant input. So ideally, the OCP amendment is dovetails

[2:42:50] Trustee Elliott: with the land use bylaw amendment as well. So everybody understands how these policies

[2:42:56] Trustee Elliott: translate. So it might be that it's kind of a major undertaking.

[2:43:03] Trustee Elliott: I'm not aware with your OCP bylaw yet enough to say that that's the case, but I understand

[2:43:09] Trustee Elliott: it's been a community driven process and so whether or not there are some inconsistencies

[2:43:14] Trustee Elliott: or some more um you know important gaps that need to be addressed we can provide you with

[2:43:23] Trustee Elliott: that clarity and give you a sense of the scope of what you might contemplate updating your

[2:43:28] Trustee Elliott: and then you can determine if it's minor or major okay

[2:43:33] Voice 13: um

[2:43:34] Trustee Elliott: undertaking but yes that would

[2:43:35] Trustee Elliott: be super important to not leave a substantial amount of time between a brand new ocp being

[2:43:41] Trustee Elliott: adopted and having the land use file that actually either contradicts it or doesn't

[2:43:45] Trustee Elliott: implement those policies what's the point of having those policies if it's not showing up in

[2:43:53] Trustee Elliott: the day-to-day work land use planning on the ski which would be in the form of subdivision

[2:43:58] Trustee Elliott: applications rezoning applications um temporary use permit applications right that's where the

[2:44:04] the

[2:44:04] Trustee Elliott: road against the road and we look to the OCP leading a direction okay so um what is it possible

[2:44:15] Trustee Elliott: to get that kind of analysis done at this stage before we've heard back from the first nations

[2:44:22] Trustee Elliott: that it's been referred to as in yes this this is potentially going to be a large um updating of the

[2:44:30] Trustee Elliott: the LEBs and could take two years or notes relatively minor like would that be possible

[2:44:38] Voice 11: by March

[2:44:39] Trustee Elliott: before a March meeting um it depends who's assigned to work

[2:44:44] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah yeah but that would be you know a really preliminary analysis

[2:44:51] Trustee Elliott: uh cognizant of the fact that the community hasn't had a discussion on this topic and so we know that

[2:44:57] Trustee Elliott: when we're when we're assisting those eb local trust committee with these things

[2:45:02] Trustee Elliott: we don't want to be presenting you know new information that might actually um you know

[2:45:08] Trustee Elliott: set people off in terms of like what this is a new project no one's talking about this that's

[2:45:13] Trustee Elliott: not the case at all what we're saying is you know you need to consider whether or not that

[2:45:18] Trustee Elliott: landing spot has um some capacity for improvement so that it's better aligned with the ocp

[2:45:26] Trustee Elliott: we're not doing a gap analysis we're not trying to tell you what to do but it would be helpful

[2:45:32] Trustee Elliott: for you to know as you're contemplating projects whether that's a major piece of work right based

[2:45:39] Trustee Elliott: on what what's been proposed for this ocp because it hasn't been you know there hasn't been a lot

[2:45:44] Trustee Elliott: of staff involvement in that project oh this might be a good time to bring that in then yeah

[2:45:49] Trustee Elliott: there hasn't been an analysis done necessarily of what cloud this is going to translate into right

[2:45:54] Trustee Elliott: if it even can be translated into regulatory supports to implement or even all a lot of

[2:46:01] Trustee Elliott: advocacy work or you know broader statements that don't really have any legislative

[2:46:09] Trustee Elliott: connection so that could be an interesting piece of work and until we do it we won't know if it

[2:46:15] Trustee Elliott: can be done for March but we could definitely attempt to provide

[2:46:17] Trustee Elliott: you a bit of a maybe a status

[2:46:19] Trustee Elliott: update report. Okay. So that would give you your first report

[2:46:24] Trustee Elliott: in this new term.

[2:46:29] Trustee Elliott: Confirm the resolutions and decisions we made today. And

[2:46:34] Trustee Elliott: give you a sense perhaps we can get some more direction on the

[2:46:36] Trustee Elliott: timeline for engagement with First Nations that we can

[2:46:39] Trustee Elliott: incorporate into that as well as looking ahead. Is there some

[2:46:46] Trustee Elliott: more from the land use bylaw that could already be contemplated in preparation for the business case

[2:46:53] Trustee Elliott: yeah that's that's all sounding very reasonable if the community wants to weigh in at that point

[2:47:01] Trustee Elliott: or if we'd like to you know refer to the apc for some input that's fine but it is a bit of

[2:47:06] Trustee Elliott: a technical analysis that's the

[2:47:08] Voice 3: job of the planners

[2:47:09] Trustee Elliott: i don't know that there's a lot of

[2:47:14] Trustee Elliott: you know room for an advisory planning permission at this stage and that because

[2:47:17] Trustee Elliott: it's just what's legislatively required of you

[2:47:21] Trustee Elliott: what direction are we pulling out of this ocp that hasn't been adopted but

[2:47:29] Trustee Elliott: we're assuming that because we gave a first reading last term

[2:47:33] Trustee Elliott: it's in a format that you're comfortable advancing it to public hearing

[2:47:38] Trustee Elliott: um yeah

[2:47:41] Voice 6: i would just say about the uh the where the ocp uh sits at this point um we have hatched

[2:47:51] Voice 6: out an awful lot of it and the sections that i think remain um that require some work and

[2:48:02] Voice 6: decision making by the local trust committee are those sections that um that we talked about

[2:48:08] Voice 6: earlier that were that uh that flint road had uh made some objections to and uh that there's

[2:48:18] Voice 6: some sense that some of those same policies might be um uh the ones that were uh referred

[2:48:28] Voice 6: to by this in their referral response but i don't contemplate that the bulk of the proposed

[2:48:37] Voice 6: proposed new OCP needs a major reworking I think there's actually like I think we're really we're

[2:48:46] Voice 6: getting very close to bringing it over the finish line in the sports uh analogy there and um uh and

[2:48:59] Voice 6: and so I think actually that especially if we're going to contemplate working on the land use by

[2:49:04] Voice 6: on that so it makes excellent sense to um to request staff to start doing that analysis i

[2:49:12] Voice 6: think that would be um it seems like it would be a good synergy and a good use of time and

[2:49:19] Voice 6: and get us in a better sort of prepared state for when the ocp is uh eventually finalized so

[2:49:27] Voice 6: i think there's really there's those there's those two referrals to the apc and there's the

[2:49:33] Voice 6: first nations piece and i've uh unless i'm forgetting something i feel like those are

[2:49:40] Voice 6: the pieces that were not quite resolved at the end of the term um that being said there was uh

[2:49:50] Voice 6: there was an effort um to sort of tie everything up if if you go back and look at the

[2:49:59] Voice 6: the august uh i think it was august 28 2022 agenda um we were presented uh uh the request

[2:50:08] Voice 6: for decision with a a number of um things that that staff at that point felt would

[2:50:15] Voice 6: um get us advanced to the ocp and at that meeting uh i'm

[2:50:22] Trustee Elliott: losing the thread a little bit

[2:50:23] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[2:50:23] Voice 6: so anyway actually what i'm where i'm going with it actually is that it might be really

[2:50:30] Voice 6: helpful for um for you chair and for you trustee laroni to go and look at that agenda package

[2:50:39] Voice 6: okay um

[2:50:40] Voice 6: what it's got is it's got it's got some versions of the uh like just get out of here

[2:50:48] Trustee Elliott: of time if this is something

[2:50:50] Trustee Elliott: that can be done yeah yeah

[2:50:51] Trustee Elliott: just send us an email yeah

[2:50:53] Voice 6: yeah for sure

[2:50:54] Voice 6: we

[2:50:54] Trustee Elliott: need to be discussing what do we want done with the current ocp review project we need to

[2:50:59] Trustee Elliott: give direction to staff so it's because we got to keep things moving sorry i have a suggested

[2:51:05] Trustee Elliott: resolution thank you the lcc requests staff to prepare a status update report on the official

[2:51:12] Trustee Elliott: community plan review project and provide preliminary analysis of the scope of possible

[2:51:18] Trustee Elliott: amendments that may be need that may need to be considered by the ltc to update the land use bylaw

[2:51:26] Trustee Elliott: so that it is aligned with the official community plan if adopted as presented at first reading

[2:51:35] Trustee Elliott: we'd be using what we've got right now first reading as the scope

[2:51:40] Trustee Elliott: of potential changes

[2:51:44] Trustee Elliott: typically from a planning perspective that would that's what we would do anyway in a project like

[2:51:49] Trustee Elliott: this so then you're not surprised when you adopt the ocp that we come back then and say

[2:51:56] Trustee Elliott: so now you should do the following to make sure that you can implement this work

[2:52:00] Trustee Elliott: um i don't think that steps happened right and i think that's part of the disconnect between

[2:52:06] Trustee Elliott: the community-led process and the plan is

[2:52:08] Trustee Elliott: kind of taking a step back is that you're not getting that

[2:52:11] Trustee Elliott: sort of comprehensive dovetailing of here's your legislative requirement

[2:52:15] Voice 11: to

[2:52:16] Trustee Elliott: do this OCP project but then also here's how this is supposed to translate into

[2:52:21] Trustee Elliott: planning regulations you're absolutely yeah that's yeah that's a great way of framing it because this

[2:52:26] Trustee Elliott: was a community-led process now you sort of bring it back in and sort of own it through the planning

[2:52:33] Trustee Elliott: staff and yeah I think that would be a really great step and show the community that there's

[2:52:39] Trustee Elliott: movement forward there's still none of that work's going to be lost um and then it's still up to you

[2:52:46] Trustee Elliott: to determine what if any if that gives you a sense of a business plan that you want to actually put

[2:52:52] Trustee Elliott: forward to the financial planning committee and the executive committee for the funding for the

[2:52:57] Trustee Elliott: next stage so

[2:52:58] Voice 2: i feel really

[2:52:59] Trustee Elliott: confident that well this is pretty minor there's actually nothing in

[2:53:02] Trustee Elliott: this ocp that can be translated to regulations and we're done okay but you don't know that until

[2:53:10] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[2:53:10] Voice 6: that analysis um did you buy any chance with that recommended motion

[2:53:18] Voice 5: um hello

[2:53:22] Voice 1: i

[2:53:22] Voice 2: got

[2:53:24] Voice 1: the first part of it which might be enough

[2:53:29] Voice 1: it's that the local or that the lusketeer island local trust committee requests staff

[2:53:35] Voice 1: to prepare a status update report on the official community plan review project and provide a

[2:53:42] Voice 1: preliminary analysis of land use bylaw alignment with the official community plan review project.

[2:53:54] Voice 7: That sounds brilliant.

[2:53:57] Voice 1: It's a bit shorter than what Planner Zupanek stated but I didn't get the last part of Planner

[2:54:07] Voice 1: or zupanic statement just

[2:54:10] Trustee Elliott: to clarify um that we're talking about the ocp if it was adopted

[2:54:16] Trustee Elliott: as presented at first reading because we can't contemplate what the final ocp would look like

[2:54:21] Trustee Elliott: so we're just saying the analysis that we give you would be based on what the ocp looks like

[2:54:26] Trustee Elliott: right now in its draft format but that would be sufficient direction for us if you're happy with

[2:54:33] Trustee Elliott: that wording that your minute taker has i mean we're gonna know what to do the next chance so

[2:54:39] Trustee Elliott: as long as the community is comfortable with interpreting that um mr peterson moroni do you

[2:54:45] Trustee Elliott: does anybody want to move that i'm

[2:54:48] Voice 6: with that motion okay

[2:54:50] Trustee Elliott: i'll second it any discussion

[2:54:55] Voice 6: no this seems just eminently sensible and dare i say perhaps efficient oh

[2:55:00] Trustee Elliott: efficient wonderful

[2:55:03] Voice 6: all right

[2:55:04] Trustee Elliott: if there's no further discussion i'd like to call for the votes and so moved and

[2:55:11] Trustee Elliott: approved um that's great so that deals with the current projects list um do we want to spend any

[2:55:20] Trustee Elliott: time and i'm just cognizant of time here we do want to get to the closed meeting portion when

[2:55:25] Trustee Elliott: and we're going to be considering members of the APC.

[2:55:31] Trustee Elliott: So I understand that there's a lot of potential future projects,

[2:55:39] Trustee Elliott: and perhaps we might consider scheduling a special meeting,

[2:55:44] Trustee Elliott: but I wonder if, well, if we don't do it between,

[2:55:48] Trustee Elliott: if we don't decide on a special project that's going to require extra money,

[2:55:53] Trustee Elliott: over $5,000, we can't make a business case for it.

[2:55:58] Trustee Elliott: But if the OCP review and the printing the LUB up to date

[2:56:03] Trustee Elliott: is gonna be over $5,000,

[2:56:04] Trustee Elliott: then that's gonna become the major project.

[2:56:06] Trustee Elliott: So we actually don't know until we get that analysis back.

[2:56:11] Trustee Elliott: So should we leave the future projects list

[2:56:16] Voice 11: for discussion in March?

[2:56:21] Voice 6: The only thing that I don't want to lose sight of

[2:56:24] Voice 6: is the land use subdivision regulation.

[2:56:31] Voice 6: And based on what I've heard from staff, I think that we need to consider rolling it into the OCP review project so

[2:56:47] Voice 5: that it doesn't sit around and wait until

[2:56:54] Voice 6: that project's done before work started on it.

[2:56:58] Voice 6: um i'd see that my fantasy of moving this and it's not going to be timely in the manner that

[2:57:06] Voice 6: i was hoping for but uh so be it but

[2:57:10] Trustee Elliott: wouldn't that be a consideration in the lub so when we

[2:57:13] Trustee Elliott: get the staff report back that'll be then we'll be able to move forward on the amendment but it's

[2:57:23] Voice 6: an

[2:57:26] Voice 6: that the numbers uh appear in the uh ocp and then they also appear in that okay in the lub um

[2:57:35] Trustee Elliott: so do you want to expand the to amend the community the charter to include yeah okay

[2:57:46] Voice 6: uh i move that the luskinian local trust committee amend the ocp review project charter by including

[2:58:00] Voice 6: uh consideration of adjusting references to minimum lot

[2:58:10] Voice 14: size at subdivision and

[2:58:19] Voice 6: and luskiti land use bylaw number 78 uh section 3.11 subdivision regulations you know you don't

[2:58:35] Trustee Elliott: want to specifically oh sure and

[2:58:40] Voice 6: and to increase the number to reflect a 10 acre minimum lot size

[2:58:49] Voice 14: oh

[2:59:04] Voice 2: did you want me to

[2:59:05] Voice 1: read that well quick if you could read that back kathleen would be great

[2:59:08] Voice 13: that

[2:59:10] Voice 1: the luskety island local trust committee amend the ocp review project charter by including

[2:59:17] Voice 1: including consideration of adjusting reference to minimum lot size at subdivision

[2:59:24] Voice 1: and Liskiti Land Use Bylaw No. 78, Section 3.11 subdivision regulations

[2:59:33] Voice 1: and to increase the number to reflect a 10-acre minimum lot size?

[2:59:39] Voice 1: I

[2:59:41] Trustee Elliott: think there's a little excessive wording in the early part.

[2:59:44] Voice 6: Probably because I'm just doing it on the fly.

[2:59:46] Voice 6: how

[2:59:47] Trustee Elliott: about just to amend the charter to include adjusting and the then you continue

[3:00:00] Voice 11: instead of considering it i can't remember it's

[3:00:07] Voice 14: hard it's difficult

[3:00:09] Voice 6: and we're not looking at it

[3:00:10] Voice 6: i apologize for that um is

[3:00:14] Trustee Elliott: it possible for you to put it on the screen or no catherine i guess not

[3:00:17] Trustee Elliott: only i have that ability um oh

[3:00:21] Voice 13: i'm

[3:00:23] Voice 6: i i i mean it the main thing is that is it is that it gives the

[3:00:30] Voice 6: a sufficient direction to staff it's a little over wordy okay that's

[3:00:36] Voice 6: not i don't think it

[3:00:38] Voice 6: impairs its

[3:00:38] Voice 7: functionality okay

[3:00:41] Trustee Elliott: we all understand the motion fairly well yes yeah okay

[3:00:50] Voice 6: so i've gone

[3:00:51] Voice 6: i'm droning on about it almost all day

[3:00:53] Trustee Elliott: would you like to trustee peters though would you like to

[3:00:56] Trustee Elliott: move uh your motion oh

[3:00:58] Voice 6: yeah well yes i i moved it okay

[3:01:01] Trustee Elliott: seconder seconded by a trustee laroni

[3:01:06] Trustee Elliott: any discussion stuff any input no we'll just like the passes we'll update the projector and reload

[3:01:15] Trustee Elliott: it to the website so exactly thank you all right all those in favor uh that carries okay good piece

[3:01:24] Trustee Elliott: piece of work um i'm going to suggest that we move leave future projects to the march meeting

[3:01:32] Trustee Elliott: it's not going to leave us a lot of time to prepare a budget or a business case if there

[3:01:37] Trustee Elliott: is a future project um do you want to have any strategic planning sessions with the community

[3:01:45] Trustee Elliott: or is that maybe something in the future we can look at that another time yeah

[3:01:54] Voice 6: i mean i like as

[3:01:55] Voice 6: mentioned earlier i like the idea but i i feel like there's an expectation for us to get the ocp

[3:02:02] Voice 6: and the luv done and then maybe when we're when we can sort of see the end in sight that

[3:02:09] Voice 3: that would

[3:02:10] Voice 6: be a really good idea to go hey maybe in the next six months we might have this finished what should

[3:02:16] Voice 6: we do next community yeah i

[3:02:18] Voice 6: think that might be the more appropriate timing okay

[3:02:20] Trustee Elliott: um i have a

[3:02:24] Trustee Elliott: suggestion just because i don't want your the appointment of your abc to be delayed in case

[3:02:31] Trustee Elliott: we have to run for the ferry could we move new business can i amend the agenda of new business

[3:02:37] Trustee Elliott: after the closed meeting and we come back to your amendments to the model strategy for antenna

[3:02:46] Trustee Elliott: systems um

[3:02:48] Voice 6: well that's fine but i wouldn't say that uh

[3:02:51] Trustee Elliott: actually there's not that's really just

[3:02:54] Voice 6: it's really just uh for for future consideration i mean it would be uh it would be uh okay

[3:03:04] Voice 6: it could be for the projects list we could do like salt spring did and just make it a standing

[3:03:11] Voice 6: resolution uh which is i think you know in terms of staff work and timing fairly simple but i also

[3:03:17] Voice 6: see it as a high priority okay item so let's can we just defer that particular item to our

[3:03:24] Voice 6: next meeting so

[3:03:26] Trustee Elliott: we're going to defer 12 point discussion on 12.1 put it on the agenda for

[3:03:32] Trustee Elliott: the next business meeting

[3:03:34] Voice 6: and chair with your uh indulgence i have a uh motion that i've prepared

[3:03:47] Trustee Elliott: not too much which

[3:03:48] Voice 6: is it's just to get some clarity from from staff about the the discussion

[3:03:54] Voice 6: about um persons with physical disabilities okay

[3:03:58] Trustee Elliott: and

[3:03:59] Voice 6: uh so

[3:04:00] Trustee Elliott: we're just for the minute taker we're

[3:04:01] Trustee Elliott: dealing with i guess disposition of town hall something that was brought up in town hall

[3:04:06] Trustee Elliott: which

[3:04:07] Voice 6: we don't actually have a section on this agenda page for it so that that's kind of just

[3:04:12] Voice 6: waiting till now um i'll just read the motion and then if we feel we need to change it or have

[3:04:18] Voice 6: more discussion i think it feels pretty straightforward to me so the motion is that

[3:04:22] Voice 6: that the Alaskan Local Trust Committee requests staff

[3:04:25] Voice 6: to clarify the Local Trust Committee's responsibility

[3:04:29] Voice 6: to provide accommodation for persons with disabilities

[3:04:32] Voice 6: at public meetings.

[3:04:33] Voice 6: So

[3:04:36] Trustee Elliott: that would be, yeah, going to the legislative,

[3:04:41] Trustee Elliott: Director of Legislative Services

[3:04:42] Trustee Elliott: to sort of get clear on our

[3:04:46] Trustee Elliott: responsibilities, yeah.

[3:04:47] Voice 6: Because I think that, to me,

[3:04:49] Voice 6: that addresses the question that was raised here,

[3:04:52] Voice 6: yeah which i think is an important uh question and and i'm i'm told that the that representation of

[3:05:01] Voice 6: that issue today was based on discussion with other people in the community so it's something

[3:05:07] Voice 6: i feel like if we don't address it at all we're going to be hearing about it until we do something

[3:05:11] Voice 6: and i also just feel like it's i don't i feel like it hasn't been really addressed

[3:05:20] Voice 6: organizationally as a whole and it's we certainly do have some responsibility i just don't know

[3:05:26] Voice 6: exactly where that falls and what that you know what responsibly this ltc has so that's why i

[3:05:32] Voice 6: wanted to just advance this advice uh

[3:05:34] Trustee Elliott: catherine did you uh did you capture that

[3:05:37] Voice 5: yes

[3:05:39] Trustee Elliott: i did

[3:05:44] Voice 13: Sorry,

[3:05:47] Voice 1: go ahead Catherine, apologies.

[3:05:49] Voice 1: The Luskete Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to clarify the Local Trust Committee

[3:05:55] Voice 1: responsibilities for accommodation of persons with disabilities at public meetings?

[3:06:02] Voice 6: Yeah, it was to provide accommodation.

[3:06:06] Voice 2: Okay, okay, I've got that.

[3:06:14] Voice 2: okay so

[3:06:16] Voice 6: i i good i

[3:06:19] Voice 6: read that as a motion so

[3:06:20] Trustee Elliott: seconder seconded by trustee laroni

[3:06:25] Trustee Elliott: any discussion no i think it's pretty clear all those in favor i'll say it carries thank you so

[3:06:35] Voice 11: much

[3:06:36] Trustee Elliott: um okay so moving on to reports i'll quickly move through the the trust conservancy report is

[3:06:45] Trustee Elliott: there in the agenda package um there is a board meeting in person tomorrow in victoria so the

[3:06:52] Trustee Elliott: board will be meeting for the first time we've met once this will be the first time in person

[3:06:57] Trustee Elliott: um and just note that the the significance the strategic plan which normally is required to be

[3:07:08] Trustee Elliott: a five-year plan is only a three-year plan and that's in order to um allow for more first nations

[3:07:20] Trustee Elliott: engagement um in the future five-year plan there's been a response that um some nations do want to

[3:07:29] Trustee Elliott: have input in uh conservation strategies and management plans so it was thought that a shorter

[3:07:38] Trustee Elliott: shorter, but we haven't got a lot of referrals back, so a shorter interim plan was chosen.

[3:07:46] Trustee Elliott: In the meantime, the applications report, I don't believe there's anything from staff

[3:07:55] Trustee Elliott: on the applications report, the parcel line adjustment.

[3:08:04] Trustee Elliott: I don't know if you have any specific questions.

[3:08:08] Trustee Elliott: We've got a long list of applications.

[3:08:12] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[3:08:12] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah.

[3:08:13] Voice 6: A long list of applications.

[3:08:16] Trustee Elliott: Trustee and local expense report.

[3:08:22] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so, I mean, I'm still learning personally how things are managed.

[3:08:29] Trustee Elliott: So when we see OCP LED project budgeted for $3,000,

[3:08:34] Trustee Elliott: but nothing's been spent because we're sort of stalled at first reading.

[3:08:40] Trustee Elliott: Does that money get rolled forward to next year?

[3:08:43] Trustee Elliott: We have to know.

[3:08:46] Trustee Elliott: So that money was earmarked for notification, public meeting,

[3:08:50] Trustee Elliott: possibly the public hearing as well.

[3:08:54] Trustee Elliott: Those are the types of expenses.

[3:08:56] Trustee Elliott: The process just didn't match.

[3:09:05] Trustee Elliott: what if we can i know we've been debating this already but if we consider a public meeting

[3:09:11] Trustee Elliott: another community information meeting after the march like after staff comes back with

[3:09:19] Trustee Elliott: this preliminary analysis it's a new budget that kicks in then oh by then it'll be a new budget

[3:09:24] Trustee Elliott: well by march 31st right so there isn't a good time yeah okay that's too bad it would have been

[3:09:32] Trustee Elliott: nice to have one more one community meeting at least but there we go wishful thinking

[3:09:37] Trustee Elliott: you

[3:09:38] Voice 14: hear that fiscal you

[3:09:39] Trustee Elliott: hear that local trust i mean i was trust you got three thousand dollars

[3:09:43] Trustee Elliott: back in the budget that was keeping to not spend um adopted policies and standing resolutions those

[3:09:51] Trustee Elliott: Those are all listed.

[3:09:53] Trustee Elliott: I do hope we can get that letter written to First Nations

[3:09:56] Trustee Elliott: according to the First Nations Reconciliation Policy.

[3:10:02] Trustee Elliott: So I'll be following up with staff on that.

[3:10:05] Trustee Elliott: And then the Global Trust Committee webpage.

[3:10:09] Trustee Elliott: Package circulation.

[3:10:13] Voice 5: I have a question here.

[3:10:17] Voice 6: And I don't, I'm not seeing it on the projects report

[3:10:25] Voice 6: report and I'm not sure why it fell off of here because I don't recall actually removing it last

[3:10:30] Voice 6: term but there was a there was an item on the barge ramp uses and the last action that happened

[3:10:45] Voice 6: was when we actually met with the regional district and the CAO violence trust and the

[3:10:52] Voice 6: regional district we're going to work together on investigating uh the possibility of the regional

[3:11:00] Voice 6: district getting um what is the license of occupation or something for that next little

[3:11:06] Voice 6: section and i know that that you know that went to uh the cao and we've never heard anything again

[3:11:14] Voice 6: that's still an outstanding issue the common uses of that arch ramp are still technically illegal

[3:11:19] Voice 6: legal and I'm not sure why it's dropped off the the list well

[3:11:26] Voice 11: it's yeah I mean

[3:11:27] Trustee Elliott: it's on this but

[3:11:28] Trustee Elliott: oh

[3:11:28] Voice 6: it is on the list which list is top

[3:11:30] Trustee Elliott: priorities report number one okay cpl you can be in review at

[3:11:34] Trustee Elliott: the very bottom but it's just vague and oh stop to research I just searched barge the document

[3:11:41] Trustee Elliott: it's under the ocp oh that's

[3:11:44] Voice 6: way up there okay but yeah it just says okay so it is still there

[3:11:48] Voice 6: okay never mind sorry page

[3:11:49] Trustee Elliott: sorry 25 the end of the ocp review project thank you yeah yeah right

[3:11:56] Voice 6: it's tucked in the very bottom there yeah

[3:11:59] Trustee Elliott: if i happen to search for it i found that

[3:12:01] Voice 6: so um

[3:12:07] Trustee Elliott: yeah so

[3:12:08] Voice 6: that it must be in scope and then i know whatever protocol maybe

[3:12:13] Voice 6: the ceo said that they were going to take up investigating that but of course they're both

[3:12:17] Voice 6: the busy people and they it's probably not on their top priority list okay as long as it hasn't

[3:12:23] Voice 6: disappeared that's the main thing thank

[3:12:25] Trustee Elliott: you for finding out agreements you can give a protocol

[3:12:28] Trustee Elliott: agreement meeting with the regional districts that you do annually yeah

[3:12:33] Voice 6: well and then i think

[3:12:35] Voice 6: that that's actually something that we itself we should see should consider in fact um trying to

[3:12:45] Voice 6: work on scheduling so

[3:12:46] Trustee Elliott: we can use a resolution to that yeah

[3:12:48] Voice 6: because we actually had our last

[3:12:50] Voice 6: protocol meeting we agreed that we try and meet once a year we have not been doing that um

[3:12:57] Voice 6: if that's okay with the chair i'll i'll just work on that resolution i'll bring it

[3:13:01] Trustee Elliott: up we're ready

[3:13:02] Trustee Elliott: yeah that was mentioned by the uh regional director as well okay

[3:13:08] Trustee Elliott: Okay. Future projects report, we've already discussed. Is there any interest in a bind for the C2C grant funding to support relationship building event?

[3:13:36] Voice 13: There's

[3:13:36] Voice 5: interest, but I don't know how we're going to fit it into our work program.

[3:13:40] Voice 13: Yeah.

[3:13:40] Voice 13: yeah um

[3:13:41] Voice 5: the only

[3:13:49] Voice 6: way i could see that we could actually get anywhere with it is if we somehow

[3:13:53] Voice 6: incorporated into the omnibus now ocp review as as a way to access funding for for that

[3:14:04] Voice 6: portion but uh i don't know maybe uh maybe we can get some staff advice on that okay

[3:14:11] Trustee Elliott: i i sort of

[3:14:12] Trustee Elliott: i'm starting to understand i apologize it's taken me so long to get to this point so the report that

[3:14:17] Trustee Elliott: was produced on potential future projects we need to determine if we want any of those potential

[3:14:25] Trustee Elliott: future projects to be added to the future projects list which is here listed on page 25.

[3:14:32] Trustee Elliott: i'm sorry i wasn't making the connection i didn't understand so page 13 and 14

[3:14:42] Trustee Elliott: yeah so strategic initiatives like cultural heritage production implementation shoreline

[3:14:47] Trustee Elliott: review or mapping if we want those considered as future projects and put on the list which is on

[3:14:56] Trustee Elliott: page just kind of actually on page 26 we need to make a decision about that am i getting that right

[3:15:03] Trustee Elliott: yeah i assume that we were we

[3:15:06] Voice 11: weren't talking any changes

[3:15:07] Trustee Elliott: yeah you're going to get an updated

[3:15:09] Trustee Elliott: report on your ocp project that might include some land use file give me a project for the next

[3:15:15] Trustee Elliott: to this case so that those other project ideas aren't being reflected

[3:15:21] Voice 7: but

[3:15:21] Trustee Elliott: if i understand that correctly then yes a resolution letting us know what you want to see

[3:15:27] Trustee Elliott: on that project post at your next meeting because it'll show up every agenda right

[3:15:31] Trustee Elliott: future projects list there to kind of remind you i see thanks i'm just trying how this all works

[3:15:39] Trustee Elliott: um i just wonder if the cultural heritage um values and maybe not mapping but uh that project

[3:15:55] Trustee Elliott: could be a really interesting piece

[3:15:59] Voice 11: to develop together with first nations but that's a long

[3:16:05] Trustee Elliott: time it's a really long term potential project i

[3:16:09] Voice 6: i want to share given that we we want to be

[3:16:11] Voice 6: uh thinking about the time today and be aware of that can we just defer that item to our next

[3:16:20] Voice 6: meeting yeah that'll give some time to think about that and

[3:16:24] Trustee Elliott: then we'd already decided that

[3:16:33] Trustee Elliott: request staff to arrange for protocol agreement meeting with the between the local trust committee

[3:16:39] Trustee Elliott: and the confet regional district four prior to summer 2023.

[3:16:44] Voice 6: fantastic out

[3:16:46] Trustee Elliott: of the park

[3:16:47] Trustee Elliott: three for three i heard you say yes we need to get to the close part of the meeting renee and

[3:16:56] Trustee Elliott: i forgot our pajamas oh no okay um do you want to move that i

[3:17:02] Trustee Elliott: will move that okay second it

[3:17:05] Trustee Elliott: trustee laroni any further discussion all those in favor and that carries excellent

[3:17:13] Trustee Elliott: so uh the upcoming meeting the next regular meeting is scheduled for monday march 20th 2023

[3:17:20] Trustee Elliott: at 11 a.m at this very center the judith fisher center and so now can i have a motion to

[3:17:29] Trustee Elliott: you close the meeting so that we can discuss the camera portions a quick final reminder because you

[3:17:36] Trustee Elliott: did select your meeting dates we didn't discuss whether you had any preferences for electronic

[3:17:40] Trustee Elliott: meetings to be incorporated into your meeting schedule of those dates that you suggested or

[3:17:45] Trustee Elliott: that you endorsed

[3:17:45] Trustee Elliott: so if you already had a sense of which meetings you wanted to conduct electronically

[3:17:50] Trustee Elliott: not a big deal if you want to just keep them the way they are we'll attend their in person

[3:17:58] Trustee Elliott: but um if you didn't have a preference for some electronic meetings then that's something we can

[3:18:03] Trustee Elliott: incorporate into our booking schedule and planning ahead and can staff not attend electronically

[3:18:09] Trustee Elliott: yes if you're electronic oh our understanding is if you're in person

[3:18:14] Trustee Elliott: one officer of the island stress test to be present

[3:18:22] Trustee Elliott: however that could also possibly be interpreted at the management level differently

[3:18:29] Trustee Elliott: that's the direction we've gotten so far if you're here yes i'm

[3:18:34] Voice 6: content to leave it as is right now

[3:18:36] Voice 6: i mean my understanding is that pivoting from in person to electronic is relative relatively simple

[3:18:45] Voice 6: and especially compared to the reverse incredibly not simple okay

[3:18:51] Trustee Elliott: that sounds good electronic

[3:18:56] Trustee Elliott: chronic meetings may help with the accommodation of people with disabilities in terms of the

[3:19:01] Trustee Elliott: ability for people to control volume in their own space and access that information in a place of

[3:19:06] Trustee Elliott: comfort but that's separate too yeah

[3:19:09] Voice 6: and i think we really need clarity i mean the reason i wanted

[3:19:12] Voice 6: that motion is so that we're addressing that question but i mean it's it's it's a question

[3:19:18] Voice 6: for the entire organization that's larger than just this local trust committee

[3:19:23] Voice 13: so

[3:19:23] Voice 6: if you know i know there is some provincial interface happening but what's what is happening

[3:19:31] Voice 6: the timing of that all of that stuff so i think that you know the motion that we passed today is

[3:19:36] Voice 6: is our it's a good first step for us to to find out what our what our responsibilities are but

[3:19:42] Trustee Elliott: that's a really important note too that there's a practical look around if people cannot literally

[3:19:48] Trustee Elliott: truly hear in the meeting could they not participate online because we have that

[3:19:53] Trustee Elliott: technology and with this speaker they can call in

[3:19:58] Voice 3: and

[3:19:59] Trustee Elliott: we can like call in with the cell phone

[3:20:02] Trustee Elliott: and then we broadcasted this right now

[3:20:05] Voice 6: you're kind of talking about a hybrid meeting like that

[3:20:08] Trustee Elliott: no i'm saying that if they want to participate in the town hall but they're having problems hearing

[3:20:11] Trustee Elliott: what planners have been i've just said is they could stay home participate like watch online

[3:20:16] Trustee Elliott: line and still call in and participate through the town hall because we have this little speaker

[3:20:21] Trustee Elliott: that's what that's for so there is all the tools are available if the issue is only hearing

[3:20:31] Trustee Elliott: impaired impairment the ability to hear i

[3:20:36] Voice 6: hear what you're saying um but i think that the

[3:20:39] Voice 6: the issue is potentially more than just hearing impairment yes um

[3:20:44] Voice 6: yeah so i i i appreciate that

[3:20:48] Voice 6: that's you know that's the one thing we could suggest for people with hearing difficulty

[3:20:52] Voice 6: yeah so

[3:20:53] Voice 6: that would be an option um i'm yeah we need more clarity about having an in-person

[3:21:04] Voice 6: meeting and then having members of the public uh setting you know i

[3:21:08] Trustee Elliott: think having come in remotely

[3:21:09] Voice 6: leave for town hall yeah yeah and

[3:21:11] Voice 6: you can close

[3:21:12] Trustee Elliott: caption zoom as well yeah which helps a lot i do

[3:21:15] Trustee Elliott: that sometimes even though i am fine all right yeah

[3:21:19] Voice 6: and it i found the

[3:21:22] Voice 6: closed caption they can

[3:21:23] Voice 6: be we

[3:21:23] Trustee Elliott: need to move on it's also funny yes okay we need to move on um so this is the last piece

[3:21:29] Trustee Elliott: of business is an in-camera discussion uh so we're gonna close the meeting and after this

[3:21:35] Trustee Elliott: we will close the meeting okay everyone okay with that so sir thank you for coming thank you for

[3:21:46] Voice 10: being here

[3:21:47] Trustee Elliott: too appreciate it very much we're going

[3:21:49] Trustee Elliott: to turn off the oh

[3:21:51] Voice 6: well we should make the motion

[3:21:52] Voice 6: i move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four

[3:21:58] Voice 6: division three section 91 a f and g for the purpose of considering a appointment of abc

[3:22:07] Voice 6: members f by law enforcement and g legal advice and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting

[3:22:13] Trustee Elliott: seconded by sure all those in favor yes all right so i'm going to turn off the recording

[3:22:45] Trustee Elliott: Thank you members of the public if anybody's watching and recording we are now coming out

[3:22:53] Trustee Elliott: of our in-camera meeting and we'll do a Verizon report on the business conducted in Canberra

[3:23:00] Trustee Elliott: and so the the skiddy local trust committee is pleased to report that we have

[3:23:11] Trustee Elliott: appointed the following members to the advisory planning commission i may need your help

[3:23:17] Trustee Elliott: forgive the names. Where are they?

[3:23:22] Trustee Elliott: Apologies. Where did they go? Okay. Okay. Would you like

[3:23:28] Trustee Elliott: to read those names out, please? Sherry Garside, David Rogers, Gail Sorensen, Shauna Karras,

[3:23:36] Trustee Elliott: Pachelle Smith, and Philippe Tyfer. Thank you to those members of the committee who applied.

[3:23:43] Trustee Elliott: but we appreciate your involvement

[3:23:46] Trustee Elliott: and I think we will now adjourn the meeting.

[3:23:53] Trustee Elliott: Congratulations, we're running to the fair right now.

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Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
January 23, 2023 
Judith Fisher Centre 
#1 China Cloud Bay Road 
Lasqueti Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Local Trustee 
 Mikaila Lironi, Local Trustee  
 Tobi Elliott, Chair 
  
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner 
 Renee Jamurat, Regional Planning Manager 
Katherine Vogt, Recorder by Zoom 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Enforcement Manager by Zoom 
  
Others Present Andrew Fall, qathet Electoral Area Director by Zoom 
 Approximately three (3) members of the public 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 11:02 am. She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. She introduced herself, Trustees, Staff, 
and Director Fall and welcomed members of the public. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - None 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Peterson spoke on the following: 
 Welcome to the new Local Trust Committee. 
 Chairing recent meetings on Hornby, Salt Spring and Galiano Island. 
 Recently elected by Trust Council to the new Governance Committee. 
 Continuation as a member of the Trust Programs Committee and the Financial 
Planning Committee. 
 Notable Issues for consideration this term are: reinstating a second Town Hall 
opportunity for the public; accommodation of persons with disabilities; amending 
the Land Use Bylaw regarding the 4 Hectare subdivision size loophole; potential 
amendment for the Strategy for Antennae Systems focusing on First Nations 
consultation; completion of the Official Community Plan review is contingent on 
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Intergovernmental Policy Advisor being filled soon; future consultation with the 
Islands Trust Senior Freshwater Specialist. 
 
Trustee Lironi spoke on the following: 
 Attending Trust meetings and learning as a new Trustee. 
 Becoming a member of the Regional Planning Committee. 
 Meeting with Snaw-naw-as First Nation and learning about their perspective of 
Lasqueti Island. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Elliott spoke on the following: 
 Experience as a Trustee on Gabriola Island working on the Official Community Plan 
(OCP) Review 
 Excited to be the new Chair for Lasqueti Island as its Official Community Plan (OCP) 
review moves forward. 
 As a member of the board of the Islands Trust Conservancy, can inform on their 
reports and provide information on First Nations consultation for stream 
management strategies. 
 As a member of the Regional Planning Committee, looking forward to working with 
the Northern Gulf Islands and the Province for appropriate rural housing strategies.  
 Welcoming members of the community to email their questions or concerns. 
 Consider that Reconciliation is very important work. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Director Fall spoke on the following: 
 qathet Regional District (qRD) budget discussions. 
 It is the goal of qRD to meet annually with local Trustees to talk about subject areas 
of jurisdictional overlap. A meeting is anticipated sometime in the new year. 
 qRD Coastal Shoreline Flood Risk Mapping Project data could be useful for Lasqueti 
land use planning to identify local shoreline areas at risk of erosion. There are some 
sensitivity concerns for property owners’ shorelines identified as being in a red 
zone.  
 An upcoming qRD report on options for affordable housing in rural areas. 
5. TOWN HALL 
Members of the public spoke on the following: 
 Poor landline service by Telus is dangerous for residents with health conditions or 
unexpected injuries. Telus is intentionally squeezing Lasqueti so that they don’t have to 
service the system. Can qRD or Islands Trust put some pressure on Telus to properly service 
the island?  
 Telus treats individual resident outages differently than multi resident outages. It is the 
CRTC’s, not Telus,’ obligation to ensure phone service; and the rules are different when 
there are multiple providers. A new letter from the Local Trust Committee (LTC) to Telus 
would be helpful; the right part of the Telecommunications Act should be referred to in any 
letter to Telus; and a future letter could be cc’d to the Member of Parliament who may have 
advice.  
 Lasqueti Island is a lost leader for Telus. 

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 Lasqueti does not have a Development Permit Area (DPA), and there is popular revolt 
against any mention of DPAs. Hopefully, Trustees will resist any attempt to institute DPAs on 
Lasqueti Island. 
 An expected pending Administrative Bylaw referred to in the agenda on Page 14: -Adoption 
of a Land Use Permit Delegation Bylaw: this bylaw would delegate the approval of 
development permits to staff for all DPAs except Form and Character- seems disingenuous 
when Lasqueti does not have a DPA and it is giving more decision-making power to staff 
over Trustees. Lasqueti Islanders would prefer that local elected representatives make 
decisions for the island, not unelected bureaucrats. 
 The OCP review has stalled, the agenda shows $5000.00 allocated that was never used 
because the local First Nation had requested by letter that it be paused for review. It then 
took 7 months for staff to respond, which is insulting to the First Nation. The Trust Executive 
should take note of this. 
 Future large subdivisions can be given extra lots because of the 4 hectares coming out to 
less than 10 acres. The LTC should attend to this. 
 There should be a second Town Hall session at the end of the LTC meeting which 
encourages people to stay for the whole meeting and comment on the proceedings. 
 The Islands Trust has a duty to accommodate persons with disabilities at their meetings, 
including the hearing impaired who could be accommodated by giving microphones to the 
speakers. 
 What is this Chair’s view on attendants’ recording LTC meetings for their own personal use 
and could the Chair consult with the Islands Trust legal department? 
o The Chair responded that it was a courtesy to ask first because some members of the 
public may not want to be recorded. The Chair offered to consider the question further. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes – None 
The LTC regular and in-camera minutes dated August 29, 2022 were adopted by 
Resolution Without Meeting in October and November of 2022. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated January 13, 2023 
Trustee Peterson noted that the minutes of the last LTC meeting of August 29, 2022 
were adopted by resolution without meeting because the scheduled November 28, 
2022 meeting was canceled due to the coinciding election and election of a new Trustee 
who would have had no historical context with which to review the old minutes. 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – None 
Trustee Peterson noted that the Advisory Planning Commission (APC) had attempted to 
meet in June 2022; had failed to reach quorum; then the term ended, and only one 
application had been received by the LTC by August. 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-Up Action List dated January 13, 2023 
The following issues regarding the Follow-up Action List were discussed: 
 The regrettable 7-month delay in staff responding to Snaw-naw-as First Nation was 
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 That Trust Area Services will be taking the lead in drafting letters for outreach to 
First Nations going forward. 
 That the Trust is considering the hiring of an Administrative Coordinator to track 
communications so that they are not duplicated or left undone. 
 That the Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor position was on the verge of being 
filled, so outreach to Snaw-naw-as was better deferred to next meeting. 
 The Follow-Up Action List has changed to a new system. Instead of a 3 item Top 
Priorities List and a Projects List, the LTC will have 1 Major and 1 Minor Project 
ongoing. 
 The Community to Community (C2C) funding grant to establish relationship with 
First Nations has 3 intakes per year, but only one LTC per year can receive one. 
 A late letter received by the LTC by a resident who had not received any notification 
for today’s meeting. 
 The present meeting was on schedule and the public notified; it was uncertain what 
further measures could have been taken to enhance public notification. 
 The current standing resolution on meeting procedures had added a protocol for 
public notification of a late change in time, date, or place for a scheduled LTC 
meeting, thereby filling a gap in the meetings procedures bylaw.  
7.2 2023 Local Trust Committee Meeting Dates for Adoption 
LA-LTC-2023-001 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee schedule its regular business meetings 
on the following dates in 2023: March 20; May 8; July 26; October 2, and December 11. 
CARRIED 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS - None 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Review of Active and Future Projects - Staff Report 
Planner Zupanec presented the staff report which asks Trustees to review their Work 
Program of active and future LTC projects and provide direction to Staff of their 
priorities.  
Planner Zupanec noted that LTCs were permitted 1 Major Project and 1 Minor Project in 
a fiscal year. Potential future Major Projects are ones with an expected budget over 
$5000.00 in a fiscal year and would require a planner and a Business Case to be initiated 
in spring to allow time for final Trust approval in December. 
A Trustee noted the following: 
 The expected cost to continue the OCP Review this fiscal year was under the 
$5000.00 threshold and so a business case had not been applied for it. 
 There are two referrals outstanding to the Advisory Planning Commission (APC): one 
regarding the definition of ‘Community Benefit,’ as it applies to Temporary Use 
Permits (TUPs); and one regarding the objections of the Ministry of Forest, Lands, 
Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development (FLNRORD) to proposed OCP 
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certain policies may fetter their Woodlot License. The LTC needs to know the 
specifics of Snaw-naw-as objections. 
LA-LTC-2023-002 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee request that staff prepare a referral 
to the Advisory Planning Commission to either define ‘Community Benefit’ for the 
Official Community Plan Project as it relates to Temporary Use Permits or 
recommend a process by which the Local Trust Committee could define ‘Community 
Benefit.’ 
CARRIED 
The meeting was recessed at 12:31 pm due to electrical disconnection and reconvened at 12:37 pm. 
A Trustee noted that a subdivision regulation amendment to increase minimum lot 
size at time of subdivision from 4 Hectares to 4.04 Hectares in the Land Use Bylaw 
(LUB) to align with a 10-acre minimum lot size will close a loophole that allows extra 
lots to be derived from large subdivisions. The Lasqueti community has always had a 
felt expectation for the 10-acre minimum lot size. 
Planner Zupanec noted the following: 
 Currently, the OCP metrics are consistent with the Land Use Bylaw (LUB) 
metrics, and both bylaws would need to be amended. 
 New subdivision applications would be grandfathered into existing regulations 
until the amendment had fully passed. 
 The OCP/LUB metric amendments could be done as a minor project for 2023 
beginning with work on a Project Charter which needs no funding. Funds for 
public engagement would not be needed until fiscal 2024.The entire project 
might take a minimum of a year, after which Ministry approval may take up to 8 
months.  
 Given that the ongoing OCP review project is a minor project rather than a 
major one, there would not be funds for 2 minor projects in a fiscal year, 
because only 1 major and 1 minor project can be funded at a time. 
 Minor projects are done in-house with existing staff; major projects go to the 
Regional Planning Team for pre-approval. 
 
By general consent, the meeting recessed at 1:01 pm and reconvened at 1:35 pm. 
 
Planner Zupanec noted that the Cultural Heritage Protection Implementation is 
completed at Regional Planning and it is up to the LTC to determine if it has local 
relevance. 
 
Chair Elliott noted that the Cultural Heritage Overlay Mapping Program had been 
halted with the loss of the consultant and some First Nations concern with the 
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LA-LTC-2023-003 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a status 
update report on the 1st Reading draft format of the Official Community Plan 
Review Project and provide a preliminary analysis of Land Use Bylaw alignment with 
it. 
CARRIED 
LA-LTC-2023-004 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee amend the Official Community Plan 
Review Project Charter by including consideration of adjusting references to 
minimum lot size at subdivision and Lasqueti Land Use Bylaw No. 78 Section 3.11 
subdivision regulations, and to increase the number to reflect a 10-acre minimum 
lot size. 
CARRIED 
10. DELEGATIONS - None 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Possible Amendments to the Model Strategy for Antenna Systems 
Discussion of 12.1 was deferred until the next LTC business meeting. 
The following motion had no other better section in the agenda to be presented. 
LA-LTC-2023-005 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to clarify the Local Trust 
Committee’s responsibility to provide accommodation of persons with disabilities at 
public meetings. 
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated October 16, 2022 
Chair Elliott noted there would be a board meeting in-person tomorrow and that the 
strategic plan timeline has been reduced from 5 years to 3 years to provide for better 
First Nations engagement. 
13.2 Applications Report dated January 13, 2023 
Received. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated November, 2022 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 

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Chair Elliott offered to follow up on First Nations letter response. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Active Projects Report dated January 13, 2023 
A Trustee noted that the barge ramp issue was waiting for response from the Chief 
Administrative Officer. 
14.2 Future Projects Report dated January 13, 2023 
LA-LTC-2023-006 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee request staff to arrange a protocol 
agreement meeting between the Local Trust Committee and qathet Regional District 
Board prior to the summer of 2023. 
CARRIED 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:00 am at Judith 
Fisher Centre, #1 China Cloud Bay Road, Lasqueti Island, BC 
Planner Zupanec advised that if a meeting is in person, one officer of the Islands Trust 
must be present. 
Trustees agreed that all future meetings be considered in person. It was much simpler 
to pivot from an in person meeting to an electronic one than the other way around. 
The LTC discussed that persons with disabilities could be accommodated by online 
technology; and that close caption Zoom may be helpful for some members of the 
public. 
16. CLOSED MEETING 
16.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
LA-LTC-2023-007 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1)(a)(f) and (g) for the purpose of considering (a) Appointment of 
APC Members, (f) Bylaw Enforcement and (g) Legal Advice AND that the recorder and 
staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The meeting was closed at 2:28 pm. 
16.2 Recall to Order 
Chair Elliott recalled the meeting to order at 3:09 pm. 
Chair Elliott announced that the Lasqueti Island local Trust Committee is pleased to 
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Commission: Shelley Garside; David Rogers; Gail Sorensen; Shawnna Karras; Pachiel 
Smith, and Phillipe Taillefer.  
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:10 pm. 
 
 
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Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Katherine Vogt, Recorder