Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, February 7, 2023

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[0:00:32] Trustee Maude: Okay, thank you, everybody, for joining us.

[0:00:35] Trustee Maude: Good afternoon.

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude: I'm David Maughan.

[0:00:37] This is our first regular meeting of the New Term for Demand.

[0:00:41] i don't want to trust them many and personally we had a couple of earlier meetings to do some

[0:00:48] business um let's just start off by saying that we're playing with zoom right now um with the

[0:00:54] wonderful wi

[0:00:55] Trustee Maude: -fi and such so if people want to stay off their phones and such as much as possible

[0:01:00] Trustee Maude: hopefully we can keep the the stream stable so it can be recorded and the people are from the

[0:01:05] outside can listen in and we can have something and post the website so i just want to begin

[0:01:10] in my acknowledgement that we're fortunate to be able to gather today on the locations across

[0:01:13] traditional territory because of salish people i'm david maude i'm elected to main island and

[0:01:19] i'm the chair of the local trust committee i'm joined by demo island trustees david graham and

[0:01:25] sam hopefully who hopefully you know well and voted for uh together we make up the demo trust

[0:01:32] committee um

[0:01:33] Trustee Maude: i'm not sure if anybody heard if the local area director is joining us today so we may

[0:01:40] Trustee Maude: or may not have your local director joining us also um since we're conducting this this meeting

[0:01:45] Trustee Maude: in person on denver island where we have limited bandwidth we're unable to since we're unable to

[0:01:50] Trustee Maude: use zoom but we are able to use zoom and it will be posted to the trust website for future viewing

[0:01:58] Trustee Maude: um we have some staff members joining us today uh renee who's a regional planning manager for

[0:02:04] island's trust who's a recent to to the trust and we welcome her with with open arms if she

[0:02:13] she comes from afar we hope you'll have fun with us um

[0:02:18] Trustee Maude: um vicky is our minute taker

[0:02:21] uh and sonja is our island planner who's joined us today um planners have involved joining us

[0:02:28] to meet into the percentage staff report when it's time to do applications he'll attend by

[0:02:32] zoom or phone depending on the stability of an internet connection this meeting is an

[0:02:35] Trustee Maude: official

[0:02:37] Trustee Maude: forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning and matters

[0:02:41] and discuss relevant meeting business i want to add this is the place of employment despite many

[0:02:46] staff members are in their own homes or staff the right to a safe and respectful workplace so moving

[0:02:52] forward um we'll look towards moving up within the agenda it's circulated does anybody have any

[0:02:59] additions uh for this agenda so were you anything did you

[0:03:05] Trustee Borthwick: want to do this i was going to add yes i

[0:03:08] Trustee Borthwick: do have a well a discussion possibly an amendment that might be a resolution i'm not sure i'm going

[0:03:14] Trustee Borthwick: to talk about that's better okay i

[0:03:16] Trustee Maude: don't know if i need to so we can put under 12.2 sure yeah that's

[0:03:21] Trustee Maude: fine and what's the top of the broad topic uh it is uh referring to file enforcement okay so it

[0:03:28] Trustee Maude: actually might come out of a 12-point watch so we'll we'll see where we're there um thank you

[0:03:34] Trustee Maude: so my consensus will adopt the agenda as approved we don't have a rising report on this meeting

[0:03:41] Trustee Maude: um so we'll start off with our trustee reports so who wants to be the first i don't have much

[0:03:49] of a i wasn't really sure i haven't been given a tremendous idea of what the trustee reports

[0:03:54] courts ought to

[0:03:55] Trustee Borthwick: be so i haven't really prepared much of anything i've been reading lots of things

[0:03:59] from everybody um pretty exhaustively over the last while and i'm uh yeah there's a lot of there's

[0:04:08] a lot of information out there there's a lot of

[0:04:09] Trustee Borthwick: concern out there and i'm really keen that this

[0:04:13] Trustee Borthwick: body doesn't be the work that needs to happen to rebuild the relationship that exists between the

[0:04:19] Trustee Borthwick: ltc in the community um and i want you to know that i want to hear what you have to say at any

[0:04:27] Trustee Borthwick: time about any subject to any degree this is this is this is why i'm here this is the job that i

[0:04:34] Trustee Borthwick: took to do my job is not to have the best ideas in the room it's to find the best ideas in the room

[0:04:39] Trustee Borthwick: so i'm keen to hear what you guys have to say and and what planners have to say we're going to

[0:04:45] Trustee Borthwick: pull on all the tools that we have to make change for the better so great

[0:04:50] Voice 9: thanks um so sam and i

[0:04:53] Voice 9: we had a trust council meeting in december a lot of orientation for new trustees and returning

[0:04:58] Voice 9: trustees and we sit on committees i'm on the regional planning committee and the financial

[0:05:03] Voice 9: planning committee so of course that's budget we've been diving into the budget uh trying to

[0:05:08] Voice 9: do our very best

[0:05:08] Voice 7: for the people that pay that would be you and us and we're we're very aware

[0:05:13] Voice 7: aware of that. I'm very concerned. And that's a big part of what we're doing. I just want to say

[0:05:19] Voice 9: how cool it is to be back with my community. I mean, I've been here 30 years. So I love it here.

[0:05:26] Voice 9: I love the style. I love everything that the style invests. I love the people that are here.

[0:05:30] Voice 9: And I actually do like preserve and

[0:05:31] Voice 7: protect. It kind of works for me. I live in a forest and I

[0:05:34] Voice 7: get that viscerally and emotionally and spiritually every day. So thank you for voting. Thanks for

[0:05:40] Voice 7: for being here that's really cool and uh we'll carry on

[0:05:44] Trustee Maude: and as i stand in front david modern

[0:05:49] Trustee Maude: from main island um i'm a long time co-founder my my family started over on main island about

[0:05:55] Trustee Maude: 1898 um so we've sort of been there done that with so many things to do with the islands

[0:06:00] um this trust council is a wonderful one

[0:06:05] Trustee Maude: his last one kind of people called it dysfunctional

[0:06:08] Trustee Maude: we had our issues and struggled to get things done this trust council the good people of the islands

[0:06:14] have elected 26 pretty swell people um when i was elected to the executive they asked us are there

[0:06:25] any islands you really want to have or really any islands you really don't want to have and i just

[0:06:29] said no i said you know i don't care where i get put like i i get along with everybody and you know

[0:06:35] i was

[0:06:36] Trustee Maude: really honored to be selected for denman because uh david and sam were kind of the cool

[0:06:40] Trustee Maude: kids at the table and uh it's i'm sort of i'm a southerner guy i don't get a lot of time up in

[0:06:47] Trustee Maude: the northern islands so it was it's great to have the opportunity to come and visit and be a part of

[0:06:52] Trustee Maude: your community um i try to sort of keep things going and going in a happy way um the past

[0:07:05] especially on my island we've had a lot of negativity which

[0:07:09] Trustee Maude: i find this doesn't do very

[0:07:11] Trustee Maude: much for the process at all and uh i look forward to sort of working with all of you to sort of do

[0:07:17] Trustee Maude: something positive for denton island like these are the guys who are driving the train i'm i'm

[0:07:22] Trustee Maude: just longing for the ride because this is your island and uh hopefully i'll stop them from

[0:07:27] Trustee Maude: arguing with each other and fighting against and i'll keep them under control

[0:07:30] Trustee Maude: all and uh we'll have some good meetings thank you very much so now we go to public comments

[0:07:38] Trustee Maude: which we call down south town hall so if anybody has anything they want to address

[0:07:45] um if if we have applications um later on the agenda which you'll be able to address at that

[0:07:51] time as the applicant but um if any member there is a public one comment on the applications or

[0:07:57] any other issues put

[0:07:58] Trustee Maude: your hands up and we'll give you a few minutes to to voice your concerns oh and

[0:08:04] Trustee Maude: we'll just pop over sonya sorry

[0:08:06] Voice 9: through the chair the only application that is not open for public

[0:08:09] Voice 9: discussion is derz 2021.1 the denman house association okay all

[0:08:18] Trustee Maude: right this sir if you

[0:08:22] Trustee Maude: just say your name that's the house with the with for the recorder so doug wright

[0:08:32] Voice 9: so uh the farm plant and housing

[0:08:37] Voice 9: don't continue to be an issue and i just wanted to uh erase the issue of farming again

[0:08:46] Voice 9: and the island stress 2050 fact sheet supports the island's trust commitment to farming

[0:08:54] Voice 9: basically says something along the line thriving agriculture is a key component of rural island

[0:09:01] Voice 9: culture and supports local food security economies community health and climate action so this has

[0:09:10] Voice 9: been going on for about 15 years on down and i've got a few points here that i just want to raise

[0:09:18] Voice 9: And, you know, there's considerable frustration out there for farmers

[0:09:23] Voice 7: in general, including housing.

[0:09:27] Voice 7: So

[0:09:27] Voice 9: just so you're aware, Stats Canada reports the number of bona fide farms in the Comox Valley continues to decline.

[0:09:39] Voice 9: Part of the reason is governments at all levels add more bureaucracy and regulations to farmers.

[0:09:47] Voice 9: Canada has 500,000 immigrants a year in this country.

[0:09:51] Voice 9: 500,000 people would have to go somewhere.

[0:09:54] Voice 9: Cities are full.

[0:09:57] Voice 9: Many young people in said cities are frustrated by lack of opportunity.

[0:10:04] Voice 4: Drought conditions persist

[0:10:06] Voice 7: in the United States.

[0:10:09] Voice 7: Lake Mead, for example, on the Colorado River, which supplies four states with water, is at its record all-time low.

[0:10:20] Voice 7: Canada, Canadians, should realize and understand that the food supply system is very fragile.

[0:10:26] Voice 7: We spend billions on imported fuel, on unimported food.

[0:10:33] Voice 7: If the Americans start to run short of food,

[0:10:36] Voice 4: Canada and Canadians are going to suffer.

[0:10:42] Voice 4: Approvals of local government,

[0:10:44] Voice 4: approvals of local

[0:10:45] Voice 7: government level

[0:10:46] Voice 7: take years resulting in many lost opportunities.

[0:10:53] Voice 4: I'm gonna, and this partially relates to

[0:10:55] Voice 9: the farm plan.

[0:10:59] Voice 9: Recommendations, let the farmer worry about farm,

[0:11:02] Voice 9: of all the water i

[0:11:04] Voice 7: mean it's really time consuming bureaucratic not very effective

[0:11:13] Voice 7: do not place

[0:11:14] Voice 9: barriers on food production and sale of agricultural products as proposed

[0:11:22] Voice 9: let one level of government respond and let the ar manage farmers islands trust

[0:11:31] Voice 6: lacks resources and has a system in place that

[0:11:36] Voice 9: is just too time consuming

[0:11:40] Voice 9: have a system in place that allows flexibility for who farms the land

[0:11:45] Voice 9: and permits the farmer to grow old without selling the farm.

[0:11:54] Voice 4: Other lots of farmland would then sit mostly unused.

[0:11:59] Voice 4: Why not be supportive and creative about bringing these into production?

[0:12:05] Voice 7: It's

[0:12:10] Voice 9: taking multi-years. It's not productive or beneficial to anyone

[0:12:14] Voice 9: and will result in loss opportunities.

[0:12:17] Voice 9: I've kind of repeated that.

[0:12:20] Voice 9: and lastly if you're evaluating proposals have a demonstrated appreciation of qualities produced

[0:12:28] Voice 9: when evaluating requests that's my submission and you can have a copy of that for the pot

[0:12:38] Voice 9: thank you very much thanks anybody else sir yeah i uh i live on a flat line

[0:12:48] Voice 11: in the right

[0:12:48] Voice 11: then i can't read your name please i'm sorry richard's name we

[0:12:51] Voice 6: are a

[0:12:55] Voice 6: farm under the farm

[0:12:55] Voice 11: assessment act but we

[0:12:56] Voice 6: live on a piece of property that's owned by our meeting um and i i just want

[0:13:02] to speak to something might

[0:13:03] Trustee Borthwick: seem like a technicality i

[0:13:04] Voice 7: agree with almost everything the

[0:13:05] Voice 7: previous speaker said but i'm going to address the thing is it exists in the best of all possible

[0:13:09] Voice 7: worlds i guess um so as far as i can tell being a farm for for

[0:13:15] Voice 9: 228 the proposed bylaw to explain

[0:13:18] Voice 9: is associated with being in the ALR and then for 229 being a farm is associated with that

[0:13:24] Voice 9: and occasionally with having farm status and so with both of those though there's a quite

[0:13:32] Voice 9: a burden put on if you aren't already in the ALR but you're a farm so the idea is that

[0:13:38] Voice 9: the new sustainable

[0:13:40] Voice 7: resource or the new the properties under sustainable resource are

[0:13:44] Voice 7: are going to be plots in which the existing principal use

[0:13:46] Voice 7: is locally operated,

[0:13:48] Voice 7: sustainable resource harvesting, that won't be true.

[0:13:51] Nor will it be true

[0:13:52] Voice 7: that the agriculture designation

[0:13:54] Voice 7: covers lands that the principal use is agriculture.

[0:13:59] Voice 7: That won't be true either.

[0:14:01] Voice 7: So some properties are falling through the cracks.

[0:14:04] Voice 7: Like specifically RE,

[0:14:06] Voice 7: looks to me like most of RE is going into A,

[0:14:09] Voice 7: but there's chunks left behind.

[0:14:12] Voice 7: And for us, you know, we're trying to subsist in supply.

[0:14:16] Voice 7: When we feed some

[0:14:17] Voice 9: folks out there and we go to the market,

[0:14:18] Voice 9: we have events in our place,

[0:14:19] Voice 7: we would, you know,

[0:14:21] Voice 7: really benefit from having help,

[0:14:23] Voice 7: being able to do the agritourism thing.

[0:14:25] Voice 7: But if we had to do that under temporary use permits,

[0:14:27] Voice 7: we're not going to do it.

[0:14:30] Voice 7: Because think about it, you're going to put in

[0:14:31] Voice 7: tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop something,

[0:14:35] Voice 9: and then every three years go back and see

[0:14:37] Voice 9: whether you get to continue to do it.

[0:14:39] Voice 9: So it's a very similar problem to what people face

[0:14:42] Voice 9: with housing already so and again i love the idea you're saying yeah put most of the re into a right

[0:14:49] Voice 9: but

[0:14:50] Voice 11: that's

[0:14:59] Voice 9: that's my concern what exact which exact criteria are used when in order to convert

[0:15:09] Voice 9: to convert land currently in the ALR, however it's done,

[0:15:12] Voice 7: into A, and I think it should be

[0:15:14] Voice 9: possible.

[0:15:15] Voice 7: There's a concrete proposal.

[0:15:16] Voice 7: I think

[0:15:17] Voice 7: it should be possible that some

[0:15:19] Voice 9: land in RE that is not currently in the ALR become

[0:15:22] Voice 9: A, because it's already a farm, its principal use is farming, not forestry, and I think

[0:15:27] Voice 9: it should be easy if you take land and put it in the ALR, if you're not already in A,

[0:15:32] Voice 9: to get

[0:15:32] Trustee Borthwick: put in it and not have to go through like a many years process to get that same benefit

[0:15:39] Trustee Borthwick: because let's face it

[0:15:41] Voice 9: they log out the crap out of everything at the north end okay

[0:15:45] Voice 7: some of it's

[0:15:46] Voice 7: been developed for single family growing which is great i love my neighbors but there's these

[0:15:51] Voice 7: certain parts that have been just sort of left aside

[0:15:54] Voice 9: and now are not being treated in a way that

[0:15:56] Voice 9: i'm going to argue is rational based on the criteria that's set up by law thank you very much

[0:16:02] Voice 9: thank

[0:16:03] Trustee Maude: you anybody else all right thank you very much so we'll move on now to delegations

[0:16:13] and i see first here we have our past trustee from laura who

[0:16:17] Trustee Maude: has

[0:16:20] Trustee Maude: decided to join us and as a delegation so you can't let go of the trust um

[0:16:25] Voice 9: we have other

[0:16:26] Voice 9: the people who wanted to hear it i think probably two or three because we were told between one and

[0:16:30] Voice 9: one thirty like the next person okay first all

[0:16:34] Trustee Maude: righty yeah okay

[0:16:35] Trustee Maude: so we can move on to

[0:16:37] Trustee Maude: miss spinney is it from the demoline housing action group yeah

[0:16:41] Voice 9: i'm virginia and i understand

[0:16:47] Voice 9: that um all of you trustees have my slide deck on your computers so i don't i won't be clicking

[0:17:08] Voice 9: I'm here to talk about adequate housing, I'm getting adequate housing on Venmo, and I'm

[0:17:15] Voice 9: representing the housing action group, or PAGS as we're more popularly known.

[0:17:20] Voice 9: know um people wonder what we uh what we're all about and uh what we really care about

[0:17:29] Voice 9: and our focus is to have legal safe and sustainable homes for everybody in denver

[0:17:41] Voice 9: page two the 2018 study that was done by our trust

[0:17:49] Voice 9: said that we were looking for up to 80 affordable units

[0:17:54] Voice 9: and that we had serious issues

[0:17:57] Voice 9: with some of the existing stock.

[0:18:00] Voice 9: And on page four, five years later,

[0:18:03] Voice 9: where are we?

[0:18:05] Voice 9: Well, we didn't have COVID,

[0:18:07] Voice 9: but right now we have no social housing at all,

[0:18:13] Voice 9: almost zero legal vacancy rate.

[0:18:16] Voice 9: We've had two affordable housing projects

[0:18:18] Voice 9: so they've been going for a long term and now we're down to one and we're very very hopeful

[0:18:25] Voice 9: that comes through and that denman green gets funding and everything works out on the green side

[0:18:33] Voice 9: but that's 20 out of 80 and um right now what we're seeing is inflation is squeezing people

[0:18:42] Voice 9: for more and more and more and the community is stepping up with the warming centers the

[0:18:49] Voice 9: christmas campers the food bank we're all working together to try and do this

[0:18:54] Voice 9: but something's got to give on the housing front on my slide five i'm just basically saying housing

[0:19:02] Voice 9: is a human right it's cleared by the u.n it's part of the candidates natural housing the

[0:19:08] Voice 9: The province is stepping up, too, with an action plan for housing.

[0:19:13] Voice 9: So politically, we're there.

[0:19:15] Voice 9: What did the UN say we needed?

[0:19:17] Voice 9: What really was adequate housing?

[0:19:20] Voice 9: They're not looking for fancy housing, but adequate.

[0:19:22] Voice 9: They say, basically, that it's safe, warm, dry, that it's affordable,

[0:19:28] Voice 9: that meets the cultural needs of the community that it's placed in.

[0:19:33] Voice 9: And our OCP, on the next page of the presentation, speaks to a nice balance between available housing and environmental protection.

[0:19:49] Voice 9: And I think that everyone in Denman is looking for people to be safe and that our environment to be well cared for.

[0:20:01] Voice 9: Well, why aren't we all here? Why are we still talking about housing 20 years later?

[0:20:07] Voice 9: Right now, the average price for a house, I just took a day, and it was $800,000, and that's because I pulled out an outlier.

[0:20:19] It's a house for $1 million.

[0:20:21] Voice 9: That's not really fair.

[0:20:25] Voice 9: Our zoning is based on the concept of a single-family dwelling. That's common for zoning across the province.

[0:20:33] Voice 9: process. And then on top of the zoning, we have double jeopardy with the density. And

[0:20:40] Voice 9: meanwhile, requirements for resolving all the multi-tenanted stuff take decades, decades

[0:20:47] Voice 9: to fulfill. So we're not getting things done. And we have some pieces that we wanted to

[0:20:54] Voice 9: talk to you about in terms of things that could make a difference to the picture like

[0:21:00] Voice 9: on the first one is we need to call amnesty for all the secondary housing by which i mean the

[0:21:08] Voice 9: cabins out back the studios that have been there forever and incorporate them into the baseline

[0:21:14] Voice 9: for the density bank the fact that they weren't captured is reasonable if i was an analyst at the

[0:21:23] Voice 9: time i would have missed them too because they're pretty underground um we need to fix the zoning

[0:21:30] Voice 9: and the density requirements around them and it's been done for the land shares it was one of the

[0:21:36] Voice 9: first density bank applications we just need to take this and do it on a broader basis on the

[0:21:42] Voice 9: ones that were already there when the density bank was put in place and we actually have an ocp

[0:21:49] Voice 9: piece that allows for um we need to allow some new secondary housing um to be built

[0:21:58] Voice 9: and um we'd really like to have a look at the total square footage of buildings on site i know

[0:22:05] Voice 9: main island was looking at the same thing and we're really interested to see how that plays out

[0:22:12] Voice 9: and it might well inform what we're doing here on denham um and we particularly right now are

[0:22:21] Voice 9: we're looking for a way that we can allow for extended family housing so so the adult kids

[0:22:29] Voice 9: you don't want them in the bedroom next door to you but you would like them on the property and

[0:22:34] Voice 9: say um grandma grandma granny sweet granny small houses all of those things need to be built in

[0:22:44] Voice 9: but we've got this zoning that's focused on single family house on one piece of property

[0:22:50] Voice 9: which makes this working for humans next piece is the alr and i was interested to hear the comments

[0:22:59] Voice 9: at the beginning of this meeting um we really believe that we need to place no more restrictions

[0:23:05] Voice 9: on alr land than um the alc does they're the experts they got the policy people they know

[0:23:13] Voice 9: what they're doing um the one thing that i've seen in terms of what's being put forward for approval

[0:23:20] Voice 9: is that I see no mention of adjusting the density bank

[0:23:25] Voice 9: or potential approvals for more housing.

[0:23:30] Voice 9: So I'm saying like either we need to pull the whole thing

[0:23:35] Voice 9: out of the density bank or we need to figure out

[0:23:41] Voice 9: how do we adjust the baseline of the density bank

[0:23:44] Voice 9: to reflect the policy changes that we're making

[0:23:48] Voice 9: around housing for the ads that they also as i said in terms of the density bank it had some

[0:23:56] Voice 9: very brave and good um goals it was built for to as a tool for sustainable housing which is

[0:24:04] Voice 9: something we really want to see um unfortunately um there was no great um inventory of all those

[0:24:15] Voice 9: cabins out back so they didn't get folded into the baseline number so then they became um legal

[0:24:22] Voice 9: and non-conforming structures and then we have people living in the mouth the more that the real

[0:24:29] Voice 9: estate market is squeezing more people are living in studios out back um in reality we need to focus

[0:24:39] Voice 9: focus on building any kind of thing like the density bank on the existing patterns of how

[0:24:47] Voice 9: humans are settling, not on what it looks like on zoning regulations, because MNX are

[0:24:56] Voice 9: pretty famous for being the other way and what the heck, there's no enforcement anymore,

[0:25:01] Voice 9: except now there is.

[0:25:02] Voice 9: um so i'm not seeing there's only nine new spaces left assuming that lauren and uh coho get their

[0:25:14] Voice 9: their piece approved um and i'm sure they will uh so we've only got nine spaces left in the density

[0:25:22] Voice 9: bank and from what i can see for approvals that actually haven't approved and houses that have

[0:25:27] Voice 9: been built we've um basically only coho had two and one of them's temporary that's the history of

[0:25:34] Voice 9: the density bank um and it's got no incentive for actually building sustainable housing um so

[0:25:47] Voice 9: we need to either fix it or get rid of it and i'm concerned that if the our example gets put out to

[0:25:54] Voice 9: other islands that those other islands also need to look at what are where are people actually

[0:25:59] Voice 9: living when they set up the base of the density bank people focusing on the environmental impact

[0:26:08] Voice 9: housing and not whether somebody's living on a trailer so kind of example might be that we have

[0:26:16] Voice 9: an enforcement officer or um anyone we need to look at what's what's environmental impact

[0:26:26] Voice 9: issue that we're facing not who's living in what trailer um and the thing that is really

[0:26:35] Voice 9: meaningful gentlemen is that we could really be like leaders in developing sustainable guidelines

[0:26:40] Voice 9: lines for small for small houses when i look at my experience with leads and some of the other

[0:26:46] Voice 9: things they're focused on large buildings they're not focused on tiny homes so if for example they

[0:26:55] Voice 9: would say what kind of shower head you have to have on your shower but if you don't have running

[0:26:59] Voice 9: water you're not going to meet the criteria ironically enough um so there's a lot we could

[0:27:09] Voice 9: be doing around this particular piece instead of chasing people and i'd like to see us do it

[0:27:17] Voice 9: in an overall approach we really really need to start talking to the people who need housing and

[0:27:23] Voice 9: the landlords who are providing those houses that housing when we're making solutions about it so

[0:27:31] Voice 9: study after study 20 years of them on them are we actually talking to the people that need that

[0:27:38] Voice 9: housing and respecting their human rights in the way that we're developing in the solutions and

[0:27:44] Voice 9: really it's critical the approval process is oh my gosh it's so sad to see pepper lane die

[0:27:57] Voice 9: how many hoops and pieces that people have to do to make into reality housing that the whole

[0:28:07] Voice 9: community wants and supports i don't think there's anyone on denman that didn't kick in some money

[0:28:12] Voice 9: for pepper lane even at a bake sale it's tragic and i think we need to look at it as an example

[0:28:19] Voice 9: when we're looking at how that process works island trust is hardly the only player in the game

[0:28:26] Voice 9: but we are often the first step in and people can't go forward until they've got all of

[0:28:34] Voice 9: But I'm no expert in this, y'all need to be talking to the people who have been pushing,

[0:28:40] Voice 9: putting through these things, big housing things, and look at the process.

[0:28:47] Voice 9: So in enforcement practices, again, we need to change the dynamic, look at the environmental

[0:28:52] Voice 9: impact.

[0:28:53] Voice 9: We should be checking out, when the enforcement officer comes onto the site, they should be

[0:28:57] Voice 9: looking at the leaking septic tank, not at the trailer or who's living in the studio.

[0:29:02] Voice 9: we have. That's what's important. And we want well trained officers with a professional approach to

[0:29:16] Voice 9: enforcement. And that means making advanced arrangements or getting them search warrant. And

[0:29:25] Voice 9: it means not encouraging anonymous complaints. I have a complaint about my neighbor, I should be

[0:29:33] Voice 9: talking to my neighbor and the island trust peace should be absolutely my last resort it shouldn't

[0:29:39] Voice 9: there should be no surprise that happens my neighbor and as soon as one creates an

[0:29:46] Voice 9: anonymous complaint process it distorts how people behave with each other so it's it's not good

[0:30:00] Voice 9: so um in terms of the last page in terms of the presentation if you're wondering when is she from

[0:30:08] Voice 9: we've had 20 years of studies here um study after study after study after study looking at

[0:30:16] Voice 9: how can we resolve our housing crisis it's time we started to actually get some housing

[0:30:24] Voice 9: um so what we're looking for is those secondary housing pieces

[0:30:32] Voice 9: fix or scrap the density bank focus allow for the intergenerational housing

[0:30:41] Voice 9: focusing on the environmental issues that we're dealing with rather than where people are living

[0:30:49] Voice 9: and support people's rights and respect them in the way that we're doing there's a

[0:30:58] Voice 9: So one kind of thing that we're going to throw at you is that maybe that Island Trust should consider setting up some sort of APC specifically on housing to work through all of these issues.

[0:31:11] Voice 9: Because I know I'm just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[0:31:14] Voice 9: And each one of these requires work and are important policy pieces to move forward with.

[0:31:26] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:31:27] Voice 9: Any questions?

[0:31:30] Voice 9: thank you thank you very much um um you may not know but and you may know that there's a

[0:31:37] Voice 7: currently a housing review review of our housing official community plan policies directives and

[0:31:43] Voice 7: the land use file regulations that flow from that i hope and i'm assuming but i hope that

[0:31:49] Voice 7: information your presentation they also

[0:31:51] Voice 9: have that they're looking at that i could forward it to them

[0:31:55] Voice 9: within the housing review the only thing that i've been asked for for input was to fill in the

[0:32:00] Voice 9: questionnaire okay and um i did well don't be afraid to

[0:32:03] Voice 9: send that to that

[0:32:05] Voice 9: to our island stress

[0:32:06] Voice 9: planner today we'll make sure that the people

[0:32:09] Voice 7: that are conducting that would be so that when

[0:32:12] Voice 7: the community has a chance to look at all that information

[0:32:15] Voice 9: that hasn't gathered i expect i want

[0:32:17] Voice 9: to see your recommendations and your suggestions that so that we can further this conversation

[0:32:23] Voice 9: And so, with the sonia that I would, there's no need for the agenda package.

[0:32:30] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:32:32] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:32:37] Thank you.

[0:32:38] Thank you.

[0:32:39] Thank you.

[0:32:39] Thank you.

[0:32:40] Thank you.

[0:32:40] Yeah, Virginia.

[0:32:41] Thank you so much.

[0:32:43] I know, given these presentations is, but I really enjoyed receiving it before and it's

[0:32:51] It's been very helpful to hear it from you directly.

[0:32:53] I hope we'll talk further.

[0:32:57] Yeah, I'm looking forward to those things.

[0:32:59] I'm very interested in looking at the density bank down the line.

[0:33:03] Trustee Borthwick: I don't know exactly.

[0:33:04] Trustee Borthwick: I'm still learning the processes and where the appropriate moments are to sort of initiate

[0:33:09] those sort of actions.

[0:33:11] Trustee Borthwick: I would love to hear, and perhaps staff can help us.

[0:33:15] Trustee Borthwick: I don't know if I need to form this as a formal request, but I would love to examine

[0:33:21] Trustee Borthwick: with the density back i'd love to look at it and see okay well what was it designed to do

[0:33:25] Trustee Borthwick: uh in what ways is it doing that well um in what ways is it failing um and if it's

[0:33:32] failing more than it's doing what it was intended to do does it benefit us um i've i've seen it be

[0:33:39] Trustee Borthwick: used and juggled around uh for for sort of arbitrary reasons um to me it seems like it's

[0:33:48] Trustee Borthwick: It's not the ironclad protection that it ought to be or was intended to be.

[0:33:53] Trustee Borthwick: And if it's not benefiting us, if it's just making those things hard and it's adding an extra layer of bureaucracy, I don't know that it's helpful.

[0:34:02] Trustee Borthwick: But I'd love to get more information.

[0:34:04] Trustee Borthwick: I'd love to talk with planners and see what the intent was and find out what are the benefits of having it.

[0:34:10] Trustee Borthwick: And if they don't seem like they're significant, then we should get rid of it because it's not helping.

[0:34:16] Trustee Borthwick: i'm

[0:34:16] Voice 9: also happy to talk to you in more detail i'm skirting the surface because

[0:34:21] Voice 4: i know

[0:34:22] Voice 9: there's

[0:34:23] Voice 9: time right

[0:34:24] Trustee Borthwick: i'd love i'd love to have meetings we'll talk we'll go have coffee we'll have a

[0:34:30] Trustee Borthwick: yeah do

[0:34:31] Trustee Borthwick: whatever i'm happy to have those yeah

[0:34:33] Voice 9: it would be good to have some of the

[0:34:34] Voice 9: updated information from sonia yeah

[0:34:37] Trustee Borthwick: yeah if

[0:34:39] Trustee Borthwick: you've got if you've got stuff that you want to know

[0:34:41] Trustee Borthwick: um send me an email i will i can request it i can do whatever else so we can talk

[0:34:46] Voice 9: great yeah thank

[0:34:48] Voice 9: you

[0:34:48] Trustee Maude: no no thank you very much your input as was with the farmers before you it's very much valued

[0:34:55] Trustee Maude: because it's the people who are sort of have boots in the ground or living this stuff that you know

[0:35:01] Trustee Maude: you have the most valued input you can give to this committee so we encourage you to talk

[0:35:07] participate put your hand up at meetings and you know we do appreciate it thank you

[0:35:17] Trustee Maude: looks like you're ready to go thanks

[0:35:19] Voice 9: yeah

[0:35:23] Voice 9: hello um yeah nice to be here i feel like i've come full circle because i

[0:35:29] Voice 9: wasn't rezoning for paul and i wasn't testing here i am and i just want to say that i'm

[0:35:36] Voice 9: I'm one of 20 members of the co-op cooperative.

[0:35:40] Voice 9: We are co-op for all people.

[0:35:43] Voice 9: We make decisions by consensus.

[0:35:46] Voice 9: So when I'm here, I speak on behalf of all of them.

[0:35:50] Voice 9: And you can be assured that there's many hours of group discussions just to get us to this point.

[0:35:55] Voice 9: And there's several people in the room and a bunch more waiting to hear from folks.

[0:36:02] Voice 9: I'm not going to read out the submission.

[0:36:05] Voice 9: If you have read it, it's in the package, I've put a few extra copies out there.

[0:36:09] Voice 9: I'm just going to chat a bit and then hopefully have time for me to ask you some questions.

[0:36:13] Voice 9: If you'd ask me some questions, because it's really, for us, a very exploratory phase,

[0:36:21] Voice 9: which was a long time ago, what would work for us in terms of growing on coho.

[0:36:27] Voice 9: and but that's the next thing is how might that integrate with your view of meeting housing needs

[0:36:37] Voice 9: p and various processes available um so um yeah i mean to summarize the the insert

[0:36:49] Voice 9: uh yeah the submission is that coho land is looking to grow we've been there for a little

[0:36:54] Voice 9: over 10 years depending on the beginning things are going well um we have 15 units we think we

[0:37:01] Voice 9: can fit five units without sort of expanding our footprint beyond what it is and um and then for us

[0:37:11] Voice 9: you know another limit it's just functionality with it you know decision making consensus all

[0:37:18] Voice 9: of that so we came up with the notion of five million units um plus the option of having

[0:37:24] Voice 9: secondary suites within each home up to say 300 square feet and just to be clear our two

[0:37:34] Voice 9: motivations here are and I think the ratio is a little different for each member but it's to

[0:37:39] Voice 9: actually help house people I mean most of us at Coho have been through the the rental housing

[0:37:45] Voice 9: mill here and have many hair raising stories but we all know and love people and have family

[0:37:51] Voice 9: members and beloveds who are caught up in the housing crisis and we just see the the impact

[0:37:55] Voice 9: on the denver community i don't think i need to speak to that i think the last speaker

[0:38:00] Voice 9: talked very clearly about that and you'll be hearing more about that and um so we all would

[0:38:06] Voice 9: love to be able to help a bit um also it will make our project we think more sustainable because

[0:38:14] Voice 9: you know when we all joined we're kind of in an age a certain generation partly because it was

[0:38:19] Voice 9: so demanding that elders couldn't join and the really young people weren't ready and we need

[0:38:24] Voice 9: that generational diversity and just a little more uh diversity and vibrancy um so those are our two

[0:38:32] Voice 9: motivations like personally none of us have anything to gain it's just hundreds of hours

[0:38:38] Voice 9: of work for us uh to get this in place and um what we do have more vibrancy more neighbors

[0:38:45] Voice 9: but we you know we don't own the land we can't profit from the land we can't sell the land

[0:38:53] Voice 9: personally we can just leave the project and give up our membership so this isn't about

[0:38:57] Voice 9: personal gain although people can reason for personal gain that's a bad thing so and one of

[0:39:05] Voice 9: the things we you know we've grappled with and in a way I guess this is the goal of being here is

[0:39:11] Voice 9: could this be folded into the housing review or should it be a separate application and what is

[0:39:18] Voice 9: better what is better for us what is better for you what's better for the community and i mean i

[0:39:24] Voice 9: the idea of including it in the housing review really came out of seeing how hard we dealt with

[0:39:29] Voice 9: the easlo rezoning where it was rezoned as part of an ocp lub review and then and then the zoning

[0:39:36] Voice 9: was actually changed and amended as part of a later ocp lub review which certainly saved them

[0:39:41] Voice 9: lot of money and stress sadly it still isn't built but um one thing with coco is you can see we have

[0:39:48] Voice 9: got our infrastructure there we own it we don't have to subdivide it we don't have to get more

[0:39:52] Voice 9: permits we've got approaches that work so i think that you could say if the rezoning goes through

[0:39:58] Voice 9: it's a slam dunk that this won't happen which is

[0:40:02] Voice 9: a nice thing to be able to offer the community for

[0:40:04] Voice 9: us um you know and we really like and just to be clear we're not trying to very much not trying

[0:40:12] Voice 9: to jump over other housing projects that we support or get in front of other ways of providing

[0:40:20] Voice 9: housing like denman and it yields it's in the housing needs assessment but you just have to

[0:40:25] Voice 9: know like it has everything from people who need highly subsidized housing to the kind of people

[0:40:29] Voice 9: would join coho who don't want to be in subsidized housing but cannot afford um to buy property can

[0:40:36] Voice 9: afford a lot of the rental but want to be part of a project like ours um so it is it is for that

[0:40:42] Voice 9: niche it's not for a lot of people who need different kinds of housing and

[0:40:47] Voice 9: you know we we all hope that coho um can fill that niche and that all the other kinds of housing can

[0:40:52] Voice 9: come into place as soon as possible um so and i will say too that when i look at the typical

[0:40:59] Voice 9: a length of an ocpo review versus say how long it took coho to get its rezoning um

[0:41:06] Voice 9: it doesn't look like it would necessarily be a shorter time

[0:41:11] Voice 9: to to uh go with the housing review because i mean you look at the farming regulations

[0:41:19] Voice 9: were young it's been like six or seven years and the last housing review was a couple of years and

[0:41:23] Voice 9: the coho rezoning was just over two years so there was a lot to get ready for that

[0:41:28] Voice 9: And then there were things back then we had to go to a subdivision and an ALR application.

[0:41:34] Voice 9: But we wouldn't need all that this time.

[0:41:37] Voice 9: Just get the zoning, then we can build.

[0:41:41] Voice 9: So, you know, I guess, like, yeah, I'm curious to hear from you what you think, because there's

[0:41:46] Voice 9: a lot to consider, like the density bank and how this co-op application would impact that

[0:41:53] Voice 9: and how it plays out with other housing applications

[0:41:57] Voice 9: and other ways of creating a housing on Demand.

[0:42:00] Voice 9: Like, I think you want to look at the big picture

[0:42:01] Voice 9: because I don't think any of us want to be competing

[0:42:04] Voice 9: and jostling and taking from each other.

[0:42:06] Voice 9: I know we don't.

[0:42:08] Voice 9: And I also just do want to point out

[0:42:10] Voice 9: that the Density Bank has 14 densities,

[0:42:14] Voice 9: but there's also 33 densities available

[0:42:16] Voice 9: via OCP Policy 11 from Section E1.

[0:42:19] Voice 9: And this is the policy that helped

[0:42:23] Voice 9: of support the creation of cobalt landing originally because there was no density bank

[0:42:28] Voice 9: that allows an increase in the density cap of um it says approximately five percent so

[0:42:37] Voice 9: and i would encourage you to look at that word approximately uh if it can't be joyous day ever

[0:42:43] Voice 9: came or all the densities were used up for affordable housing that you had an application

[0:42:47] Voice 9: before you that was a little over five percent it does say approximately so there's 47 densities

[0:42:53] Voice 9: available now and yeah i've heard with the last speaker that although that seems a lot um it isn't

[0:43:00] Voice 9: 80 um other affordable housing needs can be met in other ways like liberalizing secondary

[0:43:07] Voice 9: dwelling and secondary suite um oh i'm not even supposed to talk about that

[0:43:11] Voice 9: stick to coho so um there's i'll just uh conclude by saying there's um several ocp policies that

[0:43:22] Voice 9: that would support the LTC being favorable towards this.

[0:43:29] Voice 9: That's E-1 objectives for E-1 policy 17.

[0:43:33] Voice 9: I'm not going to read them out.

[0:43:34] Voice 9: The project has already successfully

[0:43:37] Voice 9: been through a rezoning process

[0:43:39] Voice 9: and had all that scrutiny and all that diligence.

[0:43:43] Voice 9: And we're just building on that.

[0:43:45] Voice 9: We're not changing the economic structure

[0:43:48] Voice 9: or the land restructuring, but we do want to grow.

[0:43:52] Voice 9: and um uh another thing i think you guys know this is that this project is really unusual and

[0:44:00] Voice 9: outside the box and like everyone from bankers to insurers to you know we have people kind of

[0:44:09] Voice 9: raise their eyebrows and go whoa um and then we talk to them and talk to them and they they come

[0:44:14] Voice 9: around like getting financing they haven't got financing um but it does make it a difficult one

[0:44:21] Voice 9: to move through the regulatory process and we think that the LTC is grassroots enough and has

[0:44:27] Voice 9: put us on the basket to work with us and and hopefully support us like like one of the things

[0:44:33] Voice 9: we had to do for the first rezoning was pump our well out 24-hour pump test and to show that we

[0:44:40] Voice 9: had enough water but we don't use our well for our homes we never would if we need more water

[0:44:47] Voice 9: it would cost so much less to actually double our system capacity to actually bring that water up

[0:44:53] Voice 9: the hill blast trenches putting piping hire someone to do bureaucracy and having a water system

[0:45:00] Voice 9: would cost multiple times more money than just adding more systems and now because most of our

[0:45:06] Voice 9: houses are built we have plenty of roof water so we can increase and actually are increasing

[0:45:11] Voice 9: capacity so like that's something like environmentally i don't want to do that

[0:45:14] Voice 9: well, I don't want to have to pay for it. We don't. So, and I know maybe you have to,

[0:45:20] Voice 9: but, you know, that's just, I'm putting it out there that I, I believe that the,

[0:45:26] Voice 9: without asking you to actually not follow what's required, because we're not going to do that,

[0:45:33] Voice 9: like to support the unusual, shall we say, grassroots nature of our project.

[0:45:39] Voice 9: project um so that's my spiel I'm open for questions and I'm also open to hear from you

[0:45:47] Voice 9: like what advice you have for us and um yes in terms of how to go forward with this because

[0:45:54] Voice 9: it's really early days for us we're just wrapping our head around it thank

[0:45:59] Trustee Maude: you yeah I guess my only

[0:46:00] Trustee Maude: question would be I would assume the application process would be speedier than taking you on to

[0:46:07] Trustee Maude: the housing process do you have any sort of optimist timelines like that like where were

[0:46:17] they like if the application was put in today what

[0:46:21] Trustee Maude: would you kind of think would be sort of the

[0:46:25] Trustee Maude: the timeline to to have it approved through

[0:46:29] Voice 9: the process the advice that we've been giving to

[0:46:31] Voice 9: applicants who put in inquiries with us about resuming applications regardless of the island

[0:46:37] Voice 9: that we're working on it seems to be a minimum of 12 to 18 months as long as the application is

[0:46:43] Voice 9: complete

[0:46:44] Trustee Maude: and the housing review well that's

[0:46:47] Voice 9: on your agenda today as a

[0:46:49] Voice 9: project to discuss for

[0:46:50] Voice 9: the first time as a local trust committee as to what are your current projects moving forward for

[0:46:55] Voice 9: this remainder of this fiscal index you currently have a housing review project from the river

[0:47:01] Voice 9: that's been sort of on hold until you're able to discuss what you're doing yeah

[0:47:05] Voice 9: so that project

[0:47:07] Voice 9: would be you have a budget request to trust council in march for additional funds to continue

[0:47:13] Voice 9: the housing review project so if that's successful we anticipate getting direction to proceed with

[0:47:18] Voice 9: that project in the next fiscal and bring back you know our hope is always to have draft policies and

[0:47:25] Voice 9: draft regulations those are the two products that you are tasked with working with that's it

[0:47:33] Voice 9: policies and regulation that we can then update your official community plan and your land use

[0:47:38] Voice 9: bylaw um with those necessary changes that come out of the work and the analysis of the housing

[0:47:45] Voice 9: project so that could be all of next fiscal depending on the complexity of the project it

[0:47:52] Voice 9: could require another fiscal year if there's significant community engagement in specific

[0:47:56] Voice 9: topics so the more topics you add in that closing project the more chances there are that you're

[0:48:02] Voice 9: going to need additional time to flush out all those options so that you can come to the draft

[0:48:07] Voice 9: bylaw stage right that's where the product is it's an ocp that's been amended and the land use file

[0:48:13] Voice 9: that's been up to and the discussion lead up to that point can take significant time that's what

[0:48:20] Voice 9: we've seen for army for denman for new canola it's a multi-year project yeah

[0:48:25] Trustee Maude: so i sort of get

[0:48:27] Trustee Maude: the feeling that the application would be the more timely process but over to you two questions

[0:48:33] i mean that was sort of

[0:48:36] Trustee Borthwick: my sense too that an application the straight up application seems like

[0:48:41] Trustee Borthwick: you've got a lot of the stuff is already cut and dried cocoa it clearly works um and i mean

[0:48:47] Trustee Borthwick: personally i think yeah coho is not the is not it cannot be the only option obviously and i

[0:48:53] Trustee Borthwick: don't think if you're intending it

[0:48:54] Voice 6: to be i know that that's

[0:48:55] Trustee Borthwick: not the idea it doesn't work for

[0:48:57] Trustee Borthwick: not everyone can can buy into that not everybody wishes to buy in in that way um but for the people

[0:49:03] Trustee Borthwick: for whom it works it seems to be great i'm friends with a number of people who live at coho and yeah

[0:49:09] it seems like it's really great it seems like there's a really good vibe yeah um so i would

[0:49:15] like to see more things in that vein i'd like to see other cohos

[0:49:19] Trustee Borthwick: happen i'd like to see other

[0:49:21] Trustee Borthwick: things and they can be in different you know they can be catered to different demographics they can

[0:49:26] Trustee Borthwick: be catered to different situations that's totally fine but i'd like to see more co-housing i think

[0:49:31] Trustee Borthwick: it's a really good way to do things and it creates a good community so i'd love to see

[0:49:36] Trustee Borthwick: more of that kind of stuff um yeah i mean i think you guys have done a lot of good work i would i

[0:49:42] Trustee Borthwick: think there's no reason not to support you guys expanding what you're already doing it's clearly

[0:49:49] Trustee Borthwick: working and yeah i agree in terms of rainwater collection like way better than trying to enlarge

[0:49:54] Trustee Borthwick: that to a water system but um yeah i mean i'm really i'm going to be interested to talk with

[0:49:59] Trustee Borthwick: you guys more about what what happens and how i can help um but i mean to me it seems like it's

[0:50:06] a good project um yeah david thank you to the chair uh thanks uh asked to see um

[0:50:17] Voice 7: so i remember

[0:50:19] Voice 7: when this application

[0:50:19] Voice 9: way back when it came i was able to be sitting as a decision maker by

[0:50:23] Voice 9: Joanne was working for the landowner, so I had to step away from a conflict of interest,

[0:50:28] Voice 9: which I thought was ridiculous. But

[0:50:30] Voice 7: anyway, a couple of things that I could hear as you went

[0:50:33] Voice 7: through that process. This is the original goal was within scale, island scale. Scale is such an

[0:50:39] Voice 7: important word when you're talking about developing things on an island, resources, and you always had

[0:50:44] Voice 7: that scale that really worked. And I don't see five extra being thought of as outside of that

[0:50:50] Voice 7: scale so good for you i'm a little worried that you're resisting your suites to 300 square feet

[0:50:55] Voice 7: i mean anybody else that gets a suite could have up to 900 plus so you might want to think about

[0:51:00] Voice 7: looking at that rather than constraining yourself and there's no reason that somebody couldn't build

[0:51:06] Voice 7: a three to square foot suite but if you're allowed a little bit more you have more diversity

[0:51:10] Voice 9: now i'll just clarify that i think and we'll have to take this back to our meetings to get

[0:51:16] Voice 9: clear consensus i think it wasn't actually i'm just 300 feet for this suite it's the

[0:51:23] Voice 9: because we do you have a

[0:51:25] Voice 9: 1500 we have a 1500 square foot maximum for our homes

[0:51:28] Voice 9: raise that to 1800 and then you can kind of divvy it out how you want and that might switch you

[0:51:34] Voice 9: might have your grown kid living somewhere and then as you get older and they have a partner

[0:51:41] Voice 9: our kids switch but yeah good point and and i mean we could go above the age number but i don't think

[0:51:49] Voice 9: we want to we actually again

[0:51:52] Voice 7: scale you hit them you get

[0:51:54] Voice 9: that definition quite nicely um i haven't

[0:51:57] Voice 9: i haven't really looked at the housing review project chart to see what's in and what's out

[0:52:01] Voice 9: of scope uh we'll have a chance to look at that today i think but that will help me make my mind

[0:52:06] Voice 9: up as to whether you should be in scope uh or if you're out of scope and that's going to complicate

[0:52:10] Voice 9: So that's just how I'm going there, and

[0:52:13] Voice 7: you're right, that's not the only solution to our housing crisis.

[0:52:18] Voice 7: I get that. There's got to be a full spectrum of solutions that fit each and every person's needs.

[0:52:25] Voice 7: The only people who are satisfying that are people who can afford a $8 or $10,000 house. That's it. That's crazy.

[0:52:31] Voice 7: And that density cap was an armature that was designed way back when, kind of best

[0:52:39] Voice 9: shot idea, which would ultimately have Demandon with a population of about 2,000.

[0:52:45] Voice 9: Well, we're at 1,400 right now.

[0:52:47] Voice 9: And that density cap, that was suggested, I don't know, over 20 years ago.

[0:52:54] Voice 7: So it's armature.

[0:52:56] Voice 7: The official community plan talks in aspirational language.

[0:52:59] Voice 7: it's not cut and dried that's left so absolutely this idea of average maybe could be five percent

[0:53:07] Voice 7: is something that we'll be discussing i think within the housing thank you thank

[0:53:13] Voice 9: you um so

[0:53:17] Voice 9: that's it um yeah i'm curious to hear um what happens with your discussion with the housing

[0:53:23] Voice 9: review this is great and um i just apologize i have to go i've got a work day and i can follow

[0:53:29] Voice 9: the other people have worked in today um and i'm you know i'm thrilled that there's so much focus

[0:53:34] Voice 9: on housing at this meeting um and i think that things are going to rock the wall on the housing

[0:53:40] Voice 9: front this time so thank you very

[0:53:42] Voice 9: much thanks for your time all right good mate can i make a

[0:53:46] Voice 9: suggestion that the speakers sit with their path to that club yes and

[0:53:50] Voice 9: face all of us certainly and

[0:53:52] Voice 9: how's the temperature in the room i'm feeling a little chilly maybe start to capture some of

[0:53:57] our collective heat it was hot when

[0:54:00] Voice 9: we started the meeting but it's you know

[0:54:06] Voice 9: all right

[0:54:07] Trustee Maude: so next up we have with brian

[0:54:14] Trustee Maude: we're all learning together here

[0:54:19] Voice 5: hi good uh afternoon at this point my name is aaron o'brien

[0:54:23] Voice 5: and i uh live on demo and i'm a homeowner at this stage in the game um that was great the luck came

[0:54:31] Voice 5: out of the housing breakout that happened 20 years ago when I was approached by somebody

[0:54:35] Voice 5: who offered me a private mortgage, a single mom, and it's a long journey.

[0:54:40] Voice 5: But I'm here today to speak to some work we did in 2005-2006 on Denman Island in collaboration

[0:54:48] Voice 5: with the National Funding Body at Status of Women Canada, and that work was looking at

[0:54:54] Voice 5: community and looking at barriers for women and children around prevention of violence against

[0:55:02] Voice 5: women and domestic violence so i'm here today as a housing advocate and i'm going to speak

[0:55:10] Voice 5: to the project and kind of tie it into you know our local needs currently moving from 2005 forward

[0:55:18] Voice 5: forward. So I'm also looking at encouraging down an island to

[0:55:25] Voice 5: get into greater alignment with the National Housing Strategy

[0:55:28] Voice 5: introduced in 2017. And just really embraced in 2019, looking

[0:55:35] Voice 5: at increasing accountability of governing bodies, in terms of

[0:55:40] Voice 5: the alignment with those in the most need and most vulnerable in

[0:55:45] Voice 5: terms of meeting their needs in a culturally, socially and

[0:55:48] Voice 5: economically supportive manner um the work that we did of the heroine's journey worked with

[0:55:55] Voice 5: upwards of 90 women over the course of an 18 month period and during that process it was two

[0:56:01] Voice 5: two two stages so we had an initial process by identifying sort of what are the primary and most

[0:56:08] Voice 5: significant barriers to safety for women and children and then how are we going to make a

[0:56:13] Voice 5: lasting and powerful change in that community so what emerges poverty poverty was the most

[0:56:21] Voice 5: limiting factor it kept women in dangerous situations and kept children from thriving

[0:56:26] Voice 5: so when we looked at poverty um what are the barriers to uh economic independence for women

[0:56:33] Voice 5: and children why are they staying in um dangerous situations one of the things that was identified

[0:56:39] Voice 5: identified as the foundational limiting factor primary most important area of need was housing

[0:56:46] Voice 5: so when people are able to afford housing or when they're able to escape violent situations

[0:56:52] Voice 5: they need to be economically independent but they can't actually do that from a shelter in town

[0:56:58] Voice 5: if you're going to really tell us you can stay for a few weeks and then you transition into what

[0:57:03] Voice 5: and that's the question that we have so since then there's been a lot of steps that we've taken

[0:57:08] Voice 5: There's greater access to child care, there's the hope of affordable housing, you know, but it's been a long time. So we're talking 2005 to present day.

[0:57:21] Voice 5: so we're looking at um that greater alignment with the international community and what i have

[0:57:30] Voice 5: read and have understood is that all of the uh governing bodies to the un and other people that

[0:57:37] Voice 5: have signed on to different accords recognize housing as a limiting factor and that everything

[0:57:42] Voice 5: is interchanged uh independent and that cultural social economic peace is key to human rights and

[0:57:50] Voice 5: and thriving health and wellness for all marginalized community members women and

[0:57:56] Voice 5: children included and all members moving forward wanting to support both marginalized groups and

[0:58:02] Voice 5: just truly being helpful as a whole and that those international bodies have identified

[0:58:08] Voice 5: that it's urgent and that it's concern that requires action and that all available resources

[0:58:16] Voice 5: resources that can be allocated to this. And all attention for rapid change needs to be focused at

[0:58:24] Voice 5: an international level. So recognizing that we're doing it internationally, that we're doing it

[0:58:29] Voice 5: nationally, and we need to recognize the importance of it and prioritize it. You know, 18 months is

[0:58:34] Voice 5: a pretty fast timeline, really, when you consider the fact that we've been at this for 20 years,

[0:58:39] Voice 5: and that the ISLA project was something I worked on 22 years ago, and we're still dealing with

[0:58:43] Voice 5: and not there yet. So 22 years is too long. So in terms of immediate solutions for families,

[0:58:51] Voice 5: we're looking at singles, we're looking at people with disabilities, people with children,

[0:58:55] Voice 5: elders, respite, people with mental health conditions, women, reduction of vulnerable

[0:59:01] Voice 5: men, reduction of, we're looking at prevention of further exacerbation of people's marginalized

[0:59:10] Voice 5: lifestyle um policy needs to be in alignment with our current uh culture on denman island and i think

[0:59:18] Voice 5: that that's one of the things that's emerged out of this work that we've done as a women's community

[0:59:22] Voice 5: is that we do care for one another and that um there are other countries that are leading the

[0:59:28] Voice 5: way in terms of their commitments to the international community like finland for

[0:59:32] Voice 5: instance who has embraced this housing first concept so all other concerns within society

[0:59:38] Voice 5: are dealt with by providing housing for people and that you look back later and then you begin

[0:59:43] Voice 5: to deal with mental health issues then you begin to deal with the poverty issues but you give

[0:59:47] Voice 5: people housing first and it allows people to come with uh with more of a solid ground underneath

[0:59:53] Voice 5: their feet so just examples as we know that's come out of our work as a women's community and also

[0:59:58] Voice 5: just generally

[1:00:00] Voice 5: As a Karen community, we look at the warming center that's just come up, the mama meals, the quotes for babies, the elder care, the child care, the food bank, the three stores, the timers at Christmas, the United Church being welcoming, housing projects at the Coho and other projects, abundant donors for those projects.

[1:00:16] Voice 5: Everybody moves forward.

[1:00:17] Voice 5: And we know that there are so many people here that want to be part of a local action planning committee.

[1:00:24] Voice 5: So, echoing what Virginia said, just hands down, heart forward, we want to be part of an action planning committee that puts our plans into action on Denman Island and creates a common and fair starting place for women, children, all marginalized people.

[1:00:46] Voice 5: So we're also looking at the community, at ways to do that in effective and positive ways, and I really support and echo the idea of re-looking at the density bank, looking at what are the impacts to community when we say no.

[1:01:05] Voice 5: So it doesn't feel right in our hearts to be able to have an extra room in our homes or to have an existing dwelling on our property and to say no to people that are around the table with us because we would be in contravention with existing laws.

[1:01:24] Voice 5: And those laws are not human laws. Those are bureaucratic laws.

[1:01:28] Voice 5: And it doesn't work for a community based on heart and compassion.

[1:01:31] Voice 5: And then it needs to look at the impact of the environment of all developments rather than just who is where, for how long, how many people we've already talked about.

[1:01:45] Voice 5: We need to look at not who's in the trailer, not where the trailer is, but how are we dealing with grey water?

[1:01:50] Voice 5: How are we dealing with black water? How are we dealing with rain collection?

[1:01:54] Voice 5: How are we looking at ways to support elders who are desperately impoverished and alone?

[1:02:01] Voice 4: We need to look at

[1:02:06] Voice 5: immediate action plans, looking at legalizing housing for families as well as single, marginalized people, and looking at ways to allow for legalization of existing structures.

[1:02:19] Voice 5: We've talked about that before. The same people are living in the same legal homes 20 years later, except for now, those homes are potentially leaky roots, potential for all kinds of vulnerabilities because the people can't come forward.

[1:02:39] Voice 5: both the landowners owners can't come forward for greater zoning and the renters can't come

[1:02:44] Voice 5: forward in terms of their concerns rents are going up um it's the same people the same homes

[1:02:50] Voice 5: the same places that are still illegal still marginalized it's now a generational problem

[1:03:02] Voice 5: what i will say is that um the project moved into its second phase and we went into

[1:03:10] Voice 5: to working with these women, bringing in many, many, many mentors and people to look at economic

[1:03:18] Voice 5: empowerment for women. And what was identified was the need for keeping women in these rural

[1:03:23] Voice 5: communities. That's why they came. They needed safety. They needed protection. They needed

[1:03:27] Voice 5: hiding. They needed people who cared. We recognize that by building these networks, it was the only

[1:03:33] Voice 5: way that women can then become empowered economically, because they had people who

[1:03:38] Voice 5: who cared. They had people who were looking out for them. They had people who were sharing the

[1:03:41] Voice 5: food, helping them take care of their children, and who helped them in the night if they felt

[1:03:46] Voice 5: threatened. We want to keep people here close to home. Just want to also say that one of the

[1:03:54] Voice 5: founding members of the Demanon Women's Outreach Society that was a partner on this project,

[1:03:59] Voice 5: brought it locally, was Anna-Marie Emily. And Anna-Marie Emily, unfortunately, has died and

[1:04:05] Voice 5: things have changed um in the women's community and we hope to create a greater sense of

[1:04:10] Voice 5: togetherness going

[1:04:11] Voice 5: forward but in that time um since her death in 2013 she was awarded the islands

[1:04:17] Voice 5: trust um community stewardship award for her working community and so it would just be an

[1:04:25] Voice 5: incredible opportunity for us to take this um housing as a human right forward and recognize

[1:04:30] Voice 5: the impact and how that systemically is going to support women and children going forward

[1:04:35] Voice 5: and carry the work that your trust actually honoured and saw as being a priority.

[1:04:41] Voice 5: So just really quick here, domestic violence between 2019 and 2019, we saw a decrease in

[1:04:52] Voice 5: percentage of reporting to police with women experiencing violence.

[1:04:57] Voice 5: And is that because the numbers and genres, is it because the protections weren't in place?

[1:05:03] Voice 5: We're not sure.

[1:05:05] Voice 5: 80% of women, stated abuse, never reported to police.

[1:05:11] Voice 5: 79% was intimate partner violence in the last 20 years.

[1:05:17] Voice 5: We would say now, based on stats from Statistics Canada, that as of 2021, it was the fifth consecutive year showing an

[1:05:28] Voice 5: increase in family violence.

[1:05:29] Voice 5: 69% of women and girls were the ones to report there, and that's from October 19, 2022.

[1:05:38] Voice 5: So there was a decrease in reported violence, and now we're seeing an increase in reported violence.

[1:05:44] Voice 5: There were 160 femicides in 2022 in Canada.

[1:05:51] Voice 5: Thank you, Pepper Lane, Denman Green, Co-Housing, and everyone else who has made it work illegally to keep women and children secure.

[1:06:00] Voice 5: We want to look at that at the time, Stage 2 identified seasonal access to accommodation as being the most challenging situation for women and children.

[1:06:11] Voice 5: And now we're seeing that it's actually just that there's nothing available.

[1:06:15] Voice 5: the cost of building and uh you know the fact that the um price of homes has gone way up

[1:06:23] Voice 5: is is a big concern uh there is also increased social breakdown around your

[1:06:29] Voice 5: around covid and there's this increased isolation so we're also seeing just to be clear that you

[1:06:37] Voice 5: know blessings and bounty to the co-housing group for their initiative and it would also say that

[1:06:43] Voice 5: if we're looking at moving forward with um allocations we might want to consider what

[1:06:48] Voice 5: this table here before brought to the table is that there was a number there are hundreds of

[1:06:54] Voice 5: existing units that are ready to roll there are people who are ready to roll there are people who

[1:06:59] Voice 5: want to invite people into their home there are people who have legally been housing people for

[1:07:03] Voice 5: 25 to 35 years and those applications aren't on the table because they're under the radar

[1:07:10] Voice 5: are they're frightened they don't want to lose what they've got and they are in existence so if

[1:07:15] Voice 5: we're going to look at giving away densities and that's still on the table the density bank which

[1:07:20] Voice 5: does need to be looked at from a real capacity perspective rather than just a perceived one

[1:07:25] Voice 5: what laura brought up about having to prove potable water or flow rate on well that they're

[1:07:30] Voice 5: not even going to use is an incredibly good example of that so let's look at what's existing

[1:07:35] Voice 5: the thing and what's working. Just quickly, shelters are largely designed for people who

[1:07:41] Voice 5: are chronically homeless and generally designed to keep middle-aged men safe. But as we've seen

[1:07:49] Voice 5: with Christy, who was an advocate in Victoria, who recently committed suicide when she was evicted

[1:07:53] Voice 5: in this last month, it's not a safe place. She'd rather dive and go back into that homelessness

[1:08:00] Voice 5: homelessness cycle um and we see a lot of that here so we have an opportunity to lead as finland

[1:08:08] Voice 5: has done with housing first looking at can passion in terms of making decisions around local and

[1:08:14] Voice 5: cultural needs um we have a socially uh acceptable and understood under you know uh climate of care

[1:08:23] Voice 5: in our community and we need to move forward with that uh finding ways that people can

[1:08:28] Voice 5: and take action this is a call to action we need people to be ready to support community and

[1:08:36] Voice 5: families ready to work housing solutions housing first we need to be able to take the time to invite

[1:08:42] Voice 5: in the families instead of sending them into the streets yeah

[1:08:51] Voice 4: i've got lots to say but

[1:08:53] Voice 5: i think i

[1:08:54] Voice 5: get movement across thank you very

[1:08:56] Voice 5: much any questions i

[1:08:59] Trustee Borthwick: mean i this is not not to you

[1:09:02] Trustee Borthwick: directly but like yeah i mean i through when i was when i in the campaign phase when i was

[1:09:10] Trustee Borthwick: campaigning campaigning to become a trustee one of the big things conversations that i kept having

[1:09:14] Trustee Borthwick: was that the housing already exists um a lot of the housing that we need already exists and is

[1:09:20] Trustee Borthwick: unable to be maintained because we're not allowed to admit that it exists and i think that like the

[1:09:26] Trustee Borthwick: greenest house to build is the house that's already been built for 20 years um so i very

[1:09:31] Trustee Borthwick: much want to look at what we can do to decriminalize or and you know legitimize those

[1:09:36] Trustee Borthwick: those houses that already exist i don't know what process again i'm still and i feel like i'm a

[1:09:41] Trustee Borthwick: broken record and i'm sorry i feel like i should know all these things but i don't yet um i would

[1:09:46] Trustee Borthwick: love to look at what the process is to um to to make that happen um i think that's just the first

[1:09:53] step and i think that those houses shouldn't count against the

[1:09:56] Trustee Borthwick: density bank they're already extant um

[1:09:59] Trustee Borthwick: and all by and large the people who live in those houses are the people who are doing stuff that's

[1:10:06] Trustee Borthwick: really really vital in this community and that i don't know that i don't mean to imply that

[1:10:11] Trustee Borthwick: everybody else is we need everybody in the community but but um you know a lot of people

[1:10:17] Trustee Borthwick: who are living below the poverty line are the people who are doing the jobs that especially

[1:10:21] Trustee Borthwick: as our population ages and we're at 48 over the age of 65 now i think we need people who can

[1:10:28] Trustee Borthwick: garden we need people who can fix stuff i i get i got a request to build a deck the other day

[1:10:33] Trustee Borthwick: and i've got four jobs already like you know it's we need we need people who are able to step into

[1:10:39] Trustee Borthwick: those things and those people are finding it very hard to get a tow in right now and that's

[1:10:43] Trustee Borthwick: really hard and i want to see that happen absolutely for all the reasons they stated

[1:10:49] Voice 11: yeah okay thank you thank you for bringing that perspective secure housing for women and children

[1:10:57] thank you very much thank you our final delegation

[1:11:03] Voice 11: today is mr silva my

[1:11:12] Voice 9: name is rianne de silva

[1:11:15] Voice 9: um i'm here today but giving you a presentation on the human right to housing and i'm going to

[1:11:20] Voice 9: give you five copies of that when i'm finished talking because it was all jumbled up in the

[1:11:25] Voice 9: agenda so i'd like you to have it all in order please uh and i really appreciate your flexibility

[1:11:30] Voice 9: and allowing me to speak to you today thank you for making that getting me back on the agenda

[1:11:35] Voice 9: thank you for that i personally would like to acknowledge that i'm an uninvited guest living

[1:11:40] Voice 9: on the traditional and unceded lands of the Pentlatch people

[1:11:44] Voice 9: in the Comox Nation, and while the legitimacy of the Nation of Canada

[1:11:48] Voice 9: and the Islands Trust to administer over these unceded lands

[1:11:52] Voice 9: does remain under judicial question, I am choosing to engage

[1:11:56] Voice 9: with your system using this system's rules and governing laws,

[1:12:01] Voice 9: including the Federation of Canada.

[1:12:03] Voice 9: I've presented you, and I've got some copies in the back as well,

[1:12:08] Voice 9: about the Islands Trust

[1:12:09] Voice 9: and the Local Trust Committee's obligations

[1:12:11] Voice 9: under international, Canadian, and provincial laws

[1:12:15] Voice 9: to respect, protect, and fulfill the human right to housing.

[1:12:19] Voice 9: I hope that you've all read this with hearts and minds open

[1:12:23] Voice 9: to the fact that we need to update

[1:12:26] Voice 9: our personal, social, governmental, and systemic paradigms

[1:12:30] Voice 9: to support the fact of human right to housing.

[1:12:34] Voice 9: And since 2019, that's the fact that the law of Canada

[1:12:37] Voice 9: Again, I've got things at the back where you can ask me if you'd like to know more about that.

[1:12:43] Voice 9: I believe that every person in this room supports human rights.

[1:12:48] Voice 9: I have no interest in debating whether housing is a human right.

[1:12:52] Voice 9: That is the fact of the law of Canada.

[1:12:55] Voice 9: I wish each of you success in updating your personal views and cognitive operating systems to account for this fundamental paradigm shift.

[1:13:02] Voice 9: our interest my interest today is engaging with how we can fulfill the human right to housing

[1:13:10] Voice 9: on denman island no one is asking you to provide free housing for all the legislation says that

[1:13:17] Voice 9: upholding the human right to housing means that states may not evict people from the housing that

[1:13:22] Voice 9: they have found made or used without offering them a viable to the human in question alternative

[1:13:29] Voice 9: That puts the Islands Trust in a tricky position.

[1:13:33] Voice 9: We all, on the one hand, have a duty not to force evictions on any people.

[1:13:38] Voice 9: On the other hand, you have a duty to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities and environment for the benefit of residents of the trust area and the rest of the mandate.

[1:13:52] Voice 9: I appreciate the difficulty of this perceived conflict.

[1:13:56] Voice 9: I don't agree that it is in conflict, and I believe that we can bring these together.

[1:14:03] Voice 9: One fundamental principle of permaculture is that the problem is the solution.

[1:14:08] Voice 9: This means that by engaging with the reality of the situation rather than what we project

[1:14:13] Voice 9: onto it, we can use all the seemingly opposing forces at play to create something stronger

[1:14:20] Voice 9: and more sustainable.

[1:14:21] Voice 9: That's why I love permaculture.

[1:14:22] Voice 9: In my submission to you, I've outlined 13 actions that can be taken immediately by the LTC and the Islands Trust to change your operating systems to be in alignment and support the human right to housing as you are legally required to do.

[1:14:39] Voice 9: By putting together an advisory planning committee with a focus specifically on housing, as per By-law 231, our community can find a place, that makes a place where our community can discuss how we will meet our obligations to human rights to each other and to the fragile environment of this precious island that we live on.

[1:15:02] Voice 9: by affirming publicly that the local trust committee supports the human right to housing

[1:15:08] Voice 9: as per international federal and provincial law that gives a clear message to a new apc

[1:15:14] Voice 9: to find ways to turn the problems of water and environmental pressures because those are the

[1:15:20] Voice 9: identified problems we have and we can turn those into solutions we need you to do this work to

[1:15:27] Voice 9: lead our community out of what is currently a community shame people dying in and because of

[1:15:35] Voice 9: their insecure housing into a mutually supportive framework which is what we on denman believe

[1:15:42] Voice 9: that is we are so good at mutual support so many ways and yet we keep losing people we could turn

[1:15:52] Voice 9: that around and become a forward leading model for sustainable communities we have it in us my gosh

[1:15:59] Voice 9: we are like the most stubborn people on this island and we do things we do impossible things

[1:16:05] Voice 9: how many times every year we have the expertise on denman island to meet these challenges

[1:16:13] Voice 9: denizens want to see each other housed every consultation study petition engagement shows

[1:16:18] Voice 9: shows overwhelming support for housing that also protects our environment what keeps stopping us

[1:16:24] Voice 9: is how and that's the question we have to get to and I propose that an APC on housing is how we

[1:16:33] Voice 9: get there while we avoid dealing with how people are dying again and in some cases because of their

[1:16:40] Voice 9: in secure housing miriam van heggers jimmy smith darwin baxter eve claude christoph rufus macklin

[1:17:00] Voice 9: these are all people who are members of our community they're all woven into the fabric

[1:17:04] Voice 9: of our island and our community they are loved and they all mattered and they deserve better

[1:17:10] Voice 9: than how they died. There's so many more community members at risk of dying right now. They talk to

[1:17:22] Voice 4: me and they're at

[1:17:29] Voice 9: risk of dying in and because of their insecurity and adequate housing. And that

[1:17:34] Voice 9: is exactly why housing is a fundamental need and the human right. Because people are dying

[1:17:42] Voice 9: without adequate housing, people die. Most denizens don't want to see this. Most denizens

[1:17:48] Voice 9: citizens want housing options for our most at-risk of death community members each of us in this room

[1:17:54] Voice 9: supports human rights each of us in this room has done difficult things each of us in this room has

[1:18:00] Voice 9: changed and seen fundamental social change in our lives and some of it really dramatically quickly

[1:18:06] Voice 9: how do we support the human right to housing our fear of unknown answers is not a valid reason to

[1:18:15] Voice 9: avoid asking this human rights question we have the mechanisms to bring some of our best minds

[1:18:22] Voice 9: and hearts to one table to find and co-create these answers we desperately need people to

[1:18:27] Voice 9: vision the way forward to craft those visions

[1:18:30] Voice 9: into workable solutions and to craft those workable

[1:18:33] Voice 9: solutions into new violence well it's certain that the admins trust is not in the business of

[1:18:39] Voice 9: creating housing it is in the business of updating bylaws to reflect the needs of our community human

[1:18:46] Voice 9: and non-human and responding to updates and laws from higher up our entire community needs you to

[1:18:54] Voice 9: leave lead us out of this dire situation and collective shame it's time to form an apc on

[1:19:01] Voice 9: housing so we can start the work of how we will meet housing need and obligations while also

[1:19:07] Voice 9: protecting our wild critters our water and our trees thank you for your consideration

[1:19:12] Voice 9: do you have any questions for me about my presentation

[1:19:17] Trustee Borthwick: i mean i we've talked a lot and we will talk a lot more thank you again for coming and doing

[1:19:26] this i know it's really hard um yeah i i um the trust isn't as

[1:19:33] Trustee Borthwick: you say like the trust is not in

[1:19:35] Trustee Borthwick: in the business of trading housing specifically um and i i think that um the trust is not

[1:19:45] Trustee Borthwick: the best suited to be the the ultimate leader on this we in terms of um and this sounds like

[1:19:53] i'm speaking counterpoints is

[1:19:54] Trustee Borthwick: that the trust is not best equipped to come up with the best ideas

[1:19:58] Trustee Borthwick: the people who are best equipped to come up with the ideas on denman are always the people who

[1:20:03] Trustee Borthwick: live on that that said the trust has i think been in this place of being an antagonist to that

[1:20:09] Trustee Borthwick: process and that's and i'm standing in the way of that there's been policy there's been regulation

[1:20:13] Trustee Borthwick: that's inhibited that process and that's going to change um and i for to that i absolutely want

[1:20:19] Trustee Borthwick: to see if it's if the best thing we can do is create an advisory planning committee around

[1:20:25] Trustee Borthwick: housing i fully support that and i think we do need to to speak to that i have been speaking

[1:20:30] Trustee Borthwick: with trustees on a couple of other islands too and there's there's a lot of interest to do this

[1:20:34] Trustee Borthwick: especially just even within the northern islands um trustee elliott on gabriel is really interested

[1:20:39] Trustee Borthwick: in doing in doing exactly this um she wants to do something that's sort of pan islands i think we

[1:20:45] Trustee Borthwick: need to start on our individual islands because we have just different challenges to navigate

[1:20:52] Trustee Borthwick: um but yeah i think i think the best thing we can do is get all of those minds in the same room to

[1:20:58] Trustee Borthwick: come up with with that that sort of work um i don't know what's involved i don't know so i know

[1:21:03] Trustee Borthwick: we have an apc that is generally advises the truck ltc um i don't know what the how that mechanism

[1:21:10] Trustee Borthwick: works in terms of creating additional apcs

[1:21:13] Voice 9: bylaw 231 yeah just do we do we would we normally create

[1:21:19] Trustee Borthwick: like custom apcs is that a thing normally so

[1:21:22] Voice 9: through the chair you can create a commission

[1:21:27] Voice 9: for a very specific purpose.

[1:21:29] Voice 9: I'm going right

[1:21:30] Voice 9: now as a general

[1:21:31] Voice 9: and I've been buying for all

[1:21:32] Voice 9: and it's buying that.

[1:21:34] Voice 9: So under that ABC dialogue,

[1:21:37] Voice 9: you can strike a very specific point.

[1:21:38] Trustee Borthwick: I absolutely would support that.

[1:21:40] Trustee Borthwick: I don't know if my other trustees

[1:21:41] Trustee Borthwick: have particular thoughts on that,

[1:21:43] Trustee Borthwick: but I think that would be

[1:21:44] Trustee Borthwick: a really good thing.

[1:21:44] Trustee Borthwick: I think it's clearly

[1:21:45] Trustee Borthwick: one of the most important issues

[1:21:47] Trustee Borthwick: facing us in general.

[1:21:48] Trustee Borthwick: And it's important that we do it right.

[1:21:50] Trustee Borthwick: It's not just about doing it

[1:21:51] Trustee Borthwick: at any cost.

[1:21:52] Trustee Borthwick: It's not about chopping down

[1:21:54] Trustee Borthwick: a bunch of trees,

[1:21:54] Trustee Borthwick: building a bunch of stuff.

[1:21:55] Trustee Borthwick: It's about looking at

[1:21:57] Trustee Borthwick: all those solutions looking at the ways we can move forward and doing it in the right way um

[1:22:02] one of the first things in your in your uh your recommendations is also uh you know acknowledging

[1:22:08] and affirming the affirming the commitment of the devin ltc to the obligations of the human

[1:22:14] right to housing i uh don't know does the islands trust have a formal uh acknowledgement of human

[1:22:22] right

[1:22:23] Trustee Borthwick: to housing in any of this legislation any of its policies and i know this is the policy or

[1:22:27] Trustee Borthwick: statement is all getting reviewed and there's all sorts of stuff like that happening okay well that

[1:22:31] Trustee Borthwick: is something that i i don't think we can make we can't affect change on the wider trust but i

[1:22:37] certainly would support the demon the demon ltc adopting language in the appropriate place to

[1:22:43] support that i don't know what that all i don't know what that process is um but i you know but

[1:22:49] Growth Team, But words are also just

[1:22:50] Trustee Borthwick: works like we can say that we have to actually do things that are going to move past acknowledging that information, but I think we do need to address that language, I think it's really.

[1:23:01] Growth Team, Thank you.

[1:23:04] Growth Team, So thank you for your continued work on house i've known you many, many years, you always have your heart and your energies directed.

[1:23:19] Voice 7: accessible affordable housing all those terms we know what i know what you're talking about thank

[1:23:24] Voice 7: you and sharing your personal journey and story through this um advisory planning commissions are

[1:23:31] Voice 7: tools of the local trust committee and they work best when they're targeted when the question that

[1:23:37] Voice 7: the local trust committee asks an abc and i think the timing uh with the housing review is an

[1:23:42] Voice 7: excellent one that's an excellent way for us because it's it's presumed there's going to be

[1:23:47] Voice 7: a lot of stuff to look at and advisory planning commissions are uh they mirror our community but

[1:23:53] Voice 7: it's a smaller group they can actually get together and talk and hopefully we can build

[1:23:57] Voice 7: one that really does have a diverse uh perspective on housing that's that's very invaluable for the

[1:24:04] Voice 7: local trust so thank you for that i also love your suggestion that we have trauma informed

[1:24:09] Voice 7: approach training for our bio enforcement so when the trust council is for meeting in march

[1:24:14] Voice 7: has a discussion on enforcement i'm going to make sure that that's on the agenda um it i didn't know

[1:24:21] Voice 7: and i was part of the trust committee that

[1:24:23] Voice 9: stopped enforcement on legal housing way that went and we

[1:24:27] Voice 9: did that in the hopes that this housing review would happen fairly shortly after what's finally

[1:24:33] Voice 9: happening i can't remember how many years that was um but what i didn't know is that

[1:24:37] Voice 9: law enforcement people are still going clandestinely looking at things and that just irks me no end so

[1:24:47] Voice 9: again council is going to be having a discussion on law enforcement this is like an overarching

[1:24:54] Voice 9: Thank you very much.

[1:25:02] Voice 9: Can I give you this?

[1:25:04] Voice 9: Yes, please.

[1:25:05] Voice 9: I've got my speech.

[1:25:22] Voice 9: We didn't get a chance to just thank those that spoke in a public portion of the meeting.

[1:25:28] Voice 9: I want to acknowledge that I heard you.

[1:25:32] Voice 9: Farming is so important.

[1:25:33] Voice 9: Denver is in a unique position in the Gulf Islands.

[1:25:35] Voice 9: It has a very high percentage of land in the agricultural land zone.

[1:25:39] Voice 9: And lands that are being used for farming that aren't in the ALR, I totally get that.

[1:25:44] Voice 9: Why are we having this unequal playing field?

[1:25:48] Voice 7: We should be supporting farming 100% through the security.

[1:25:52] Voice 7: If that's not important, I don't know what is.

[1:25:55] Voice 7: Air is important.

[1:25:56] Voice 7: You don't think for a while.

[1:25:57] Voice 7: it's in the notes so thank you for your questions thank you very much everybody okay so now we move

[1:26:06] on to a little bit more mundane items we have adoption of minutes for a local um trust meeting

[1:26:13] special meeting of january 17th that's for

[1:26:17] Trustee Maude: adoption by we do it by consensus up here yes yeah

[1:26:21] Trustee Maude: so no additions no questions no anything we consider those adopted um we have a second

[1:26:30] point second resolution health meetings report dated january 23rd again mr doc for if i can send

[1:26:37] and then advisor planning commission minutes uh january 17th for receipts

[1:26:42] Voice 9: we're

[1:26:43] Trustee Maude: good for those

[1:26:45] Voice 9: all righty yeah i just want to say that sam and i were able to attend that meeting

[1:26:49] Voice 9: i appreciate the work yes

[1:26:52] Trustee Maude: all right so now we get rising minutes to follow up action list

[1:27:00] Trustee Maude: june january 31st 2023. typically

[1:27:10] Voice 9: if you have questions about any specific items on your

[1:27:14] Voice 9: follow-up actually i'm not going to answer any questions so we have both the line by line

[1:27:20] Voice 9: questions from the chair do we know when we're going to be having our

[1:27:24] Voice 9: our conversation with the board and the director of pilot so as long as

[1:27:47] Trustee Maude: the carrier is running

[1:27:48] Trustee Maude: hopefully we will see

[1:27:54] Trustee Maude: um so the regional planning committee looked at the cost savings and the complications of electronic

[1:28:01] meetings and personal needs and there's a huge budgetary issue that

[1:28:05] Voice 7: happens with personal needs

[1:28:07] Voice 7: having all these wonderful trained professionals to

[1:28:10] Voice 9: come from their various islands and it's it's

[1:28:13] great i love it

[1:28:14] Voice 9: but it's very very expensive and it also means that the work that we want

[1:28:18] Voice 7: our planning staff and the administration to do gets their time is limited there's only so much

[1:28:24] Voice 7: 20 hours in the day so many days in the week it's only weeks in the month so if they're traveling

[1:28:29] Voice 7: all the time i don't think you paid for that absolutely we would all expect that if that was

[1:28:33] Voice 7: our job but they can't be doing what we want to do so i'm

[1:28:37] Voice 9: really hoping that we can we find a

[1:28:38] Voice 9: compromise a working compromise that that you know our chair has to come

[1:28:43] Voice 7: but he's cheap uh you know

[1:28:45] Voice 7: I don't mean that in a derogatory term.

[1:28:48] Voice 7: Financially, he's inexpensive.

[1:28:50] These folks, the professionals, are very expensive,

[1:28:52] and they should be expensive because they do great work,

[1:28:54] but they should be in their work

[1:28:56] Voice 9: environment so they get that work done.

[1:28:58] Voice 9: So hopefully we can find a compromise,

[1:29:00] Trustee Maude: and I just want to say thank

[1:29:00] Trustee Maude: you.

[1:29:02] Trustee Maude: That's it.

[1:29:02] Trustee Maude: All right.

[1:29:04] Trustee Maude: So we move on to application referrals.

[1:29:08] Trustee Maude: So our first one for us is DE.

[1:29:12] Trustee Maude: 252.3 Smith, 8-3-3-0, all present, yes.

[1:29:17] Voice 9: Correct, so Stephen Howe is joining you via Zoom.

[1:29:20] Voice 9: He's on the screen to share any development

[1:29:23] Voice 9: to join

[1:29:23] Voice 4: us later this afternoon.

[1:29:26] Voice 2: Okay, go ahead.

[1:29:27] Voice 2: Okay, so this is the development permit application

[1:29:31] Voice 2: to allow an addition to a single family dwelling

[1:29:34] Voice 2: within development permit area two, steep slopes.

[1:29:38] Voice 2: And although the development permit is required

[1:29:40] Voice 2: The guidelines focus on tree cutting, which isn't proposed as part of this development, so no tree removal or cutting is proposed, and that's been included as a condition on the draft permit, and as a result staff are recommending approval of the permit.

[1:29:58] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:29:59] Voice 9: Trustee Sinig.

[1:30:00] Voice 9: Any questions?

[1:30:00] Voice 9: All right.

[1:30:02] Voice 9: You're the chair.

[1:30:03] Voice 9: I've read the application.

[1:30:04] Voice 9: I appreciate the staff outlining the various things, and I'm quite happy to make that

[1:30:09] Voice 9: motion.

[1:30:09] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:30:10] Voice 9: So I move that the Dem and

[1:30:11] Voice 9: Ottawa Local Trust Committee approve the issuance of the development

[1:30:14] Voice 9: plan at DEDB 2022.3.

[1:30:17] Voice 9: Seconded.

[1:30:18] Voice 9: Seconded.

[1:30:18] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:30:19] Voice 9: Any discussion?

[1:30:20] Pick-off question?

[1:30:21] All in favor?

[1:30:22] That carries.

[1:30:24] Trustee Maude: All right.

[1:30:25] Trustee Maude: And the second one is the Denver Housing Association.

[1:30:28] Voice 9: You're moving so quickly, I can't hear you.

[1:30:33] Voice 7: That's a good sign.

[1:30:34] Voice 7: That's what we want to do.

[1:30:37] Voice 7: Thank you, everyone.

[1:30:41] I thank everyone.

[1:30:45] Voice 9: So, Stephanie, there we go.

[1:30:46] Voice 9: Okay, I'm just going to share the screen for folks who are following along digitally.

[1:31:06] Voice 9: Okay, big day.

[1:31:12] Voice 9: Okay, moving forward, the report recommending final approval, subject to some minor corrections and minor amendments to the bylaws associated with the Dunham House application, the RZ-2021.

[1:31:33] Voice 9: so we have no new information to provide the local trust committee at this time post public hearing

[1:31:40] Voice 9: other than what's contained in the staff report related to the corrections

[1:31:44] Voice 9: that are required for the policy numbering which were not required to the public hearing

[1:31:50] Voice 9: and that is related to a concurrent application for the project i suspect where we had

[1:31:56] Voice 9: two sets of bylaws moving forward for the exact same policy changes and i suspect there was an

[1:32:02] Voice 9: error in the pepper lane and those were incorporated into the DHA application so anyway we would hope

[1:32:11] Voice 9: that you can consider those minor corrections at this time so that's file 241 that's the official

[1:32:19] Voice 9: community plan bylaw so the rest of the recommendation is to correct those policy

[1:32:23] Voice 9: numberings and adopt as amended for biology file 242 is the land use bylaw the amendments required

[1:32:32] Voice 9: require to enable this density transfer and rezoning to move forward requires no further

[1:32:37] Voice 9: changes so there's a recommendation for that to just be adopted that's final reading bylaw

[1:32:44] Voice 9: 243 is the housing agreement that would be attached on title to the 20 units of affordable

[1:32:50] Voice 9: rental housing and so um it is an administrative bylaw it has been approved by the executive

[1:32:56] Voice 9: Committee. However, due to the Pucker Lane project falling through, there is an opportunity

[1:33:07] Voice 9: at this point in time to ensure that this housing agreement combines some element of

[1:33:13] Voice 9: security for the seniors' housing to be incorporated into this affordable housing

[1:33:22] Voice 9: So those changes are specific to introducing a new definition for senior, as well as stipulating

[1:33:31] Voice 9: the number of units that would be reserved for seniors housing.

[1:33:35] Voice 9: So these are considered minor changes that do not undermine the executive committee's

[1:33:39] Voice 9: ability to review bylaws, whether they're consistent with policy statement or your official

[1:33:44] Voice 9: community plan so this does not need to go back to the executive committee for approval so should

[1:33:50] Voice 9: you concur with our recommendation to make those minor changes to the housing agreement you can

[1:33:54] Voice 9: also consider adoption at this time and that's in the recommendations as well and then we have

[1:34:02] Voice 9: the last piece of this application is the restrictive covenant which we require a formal

[1:34:09] Voice 9: resolution of acceptance and authorizing signatories so that when the applicant is

[1:34:13] Voice 9: ready to have this registered on title with land titles it will simply be signed off as an

[1:34:19] Voice 9: administrative procedure and it appears um on title so there is short analysis some background

[1:34:28] Voice 9: information you have access to the public hearing notes which is a requirement of the act that you

[1:34:33] Voice 9: have those minutes of the record of the public hearing before you're able to vote on a bylaw

[1:34:38] Voice 9: that you are not part of the approval of the body so I'm happy to answer any questions as long as

[1:34:46] Voice 9: it's within the context of what's presented in this report and no other discussion outside of

[1:34:52] Voice 9: that because this would be the conclusion should you concur with all these recommendations of this

[1:34:58] Voice 9: application and then the applicant can continue with their subdivision registration documents

[1:35:04] Voice 9: documents funding approval and construction for a site any questions well I don't want I don't want

[1:35:13] Voice 9: to ask a question which I can't ask so I will ask whether I can ask a question without being

[1:35:18] Voice 9: too specific but regarding the housing agreement which simply defines

[1:35:23] Voice 7: who can live there can I ask

[1:35:27] Voice 7: a question and if that's an administrative file as far as I understand so I think I'm safe in

[1:35:32] Voice 7: asking a question because i did receive some correspondence and i don't know whether and that

[1:35:39] Voice 7: the substance of that correspondence pertains to just some numbers in that housing agreement

[1:35:44] Voice 7: nothing else thank you

[1:35:46] Voice 7: um so because of the the death of pepper lake very sad to have our seniors

[1:35:54] complication

[1:35:55] Voice 7: and for we totally understand why the suggestion was well could a few more of the units

[1:36:02] Voice 7: of being constructive being set aside to people who are older than 65, and five is great.

[1:36:09] Voice 7: They thought maybe eight would be a better number. I just kind of believe that as maybe

[1:36:14] Voice 7: you want to talk about that. And the other suggestion was, are any of the units, and

[1:36:20] Voice 7: we probably have the answer to this, would they work for someone with a physical disability?

[1:36:25] Voice 7: So

[1:36:25] Voice 9: your access and egress, you know what I'm talking about.

[1:36:32] Voice 9: Can they get in and out of the units as they're designed if you're in a wheelchair?

[1:36:36] Voice 9: So those are my questions.

[1:36:38] Voice 9: So the site plan, the conceptual site plan that was submitted as part of this application is still relevant in terms of consideration of next steps.

[1:36:47] Voice 9: Nothing's changed. There's no revised site plan.

[1:36:48] Voice 9: Those are not construction plans, but subject to funding approval.

[1:36:52] Voice 9: So, those are all the best guess by the applicant at this point in time of what they would be

[1:36:59] Voice 9: proposing to a funder as a potential concept plan for development, so that's all subject

[1:37:06] Voice 9: to funding.

[1:37:07] Voice 9: Theoretically, yes, there's nothing requiring accessibility standards to be incorporated

[1:37:13] Voice 9: into this.

[1:37:14] Voice 9: There's strong support in the community and with the applicant to ensure that some of

[1:37:17] Voice 9: these units are um constructed so that there's less barriers and diversity in tenure so having

[1:37:24] Voice 9: said that there's nothing pertaining to requiring any number of units as for the units the number

[1:37:33] Voice 9: of units that the staff recommendation is consistent with what the applicant has come

[1:37:36] Voice 9: forward with through their negotiations and discussions with the clta group good thank you

[1:37:42] Voice 9: so at this point in time i would not recommend any changes in the future should you wish to

[1:37:47] Voice 9: under that it's an administrative bylaw the applicant to come back to work with the local

[1:37:50] Voice 9: testimony to make changes at this point in time due to where we're at with this application i

[1:37:55] Voice 9: strongly suggest that there'll be no further discussion around tweaking uh or increasing

[1:38:00] Voice 9: those numbers this is what the applicant's coming forward with and requesting that you consider this

[1:38:04] Voice 9: thank you the fact that the uh denman housing had the conversation with the denman land trust

[1:38:14] that gives me comfort in knowing that that number is usually very

[1:38:18] Voice 7: high thank you no no further

[1:38:20] Voice 7: questions for me so

[1:38:22] Voice 9: i would suggest in terms of timing that there's so many minor administrative

[1:38:28] Voice 9: corrections that the ltc can uh to the minute taker just pass the resolutions that's presented

[1:38:34] Voice 9: with staff report unless you have specific uh alterations that you want to make we

[1:38:39] Trustee Maude: do like you

[1:38:46] Trustee Maude: so it would be one motion no

[1:38:49] Voice 9: it would be so to start with the numerical order that they're

[1:38:53] presented in as as presented in the minute we'll make a motion uh yes i would like to

[1:39:03] make a motion to and i can just say as

[1:39:09] Trustee Borthwick: as written as presented in the staff report

[1:39:10] Trustee Borthwick: if

[1:39:11] Voice 9: you could um i

[1:39:12] Trustee Borthwick: can read out the

[1:39:13] Voice 9: number one number one

[1:39:14] Voice 9: i moved that

[1:39:18] Trustee Borthwick: devon island local trust committee bylaw number 241 cited as devon island's official community

[1:39:24] Trustee Borthwick: plan 2008 amendment 1 2021 be amended as per the attachment one of the staff report and as follows

[1:39:33] Trustee Borthwick: as in the thing i'm not sure i just keep making good these are these all separate

[1:39:38] Trustee Borthwick: I'll second that.

[1:39:40] Trustee Borthwick: Any discussion?

[1:39:42] Trustee Borthwick: We'll call the question on paper.

[1:39:45] Trustee Borthwick: Do you want to do the next one, David?

[1:39:47] Trustee Borthwick: Do you want to ping pong this back and forth?

[1:39:50] Trustee Borthwick: Just give a little bit of drama for the crowd.

[1:39:54] Trustee Borthwick: We don't want drama.

[1:39:56] Trustee Borthwick: What page is it on?

[1:39:58] Trustee Borthwick: 77.

[1:39:59] Voice 9: The second one's on the 77?

[1:40:01] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:40:03] Voice 9: I'm used to paper.

[1:40:05] Voice 9: Sorry, guys.

[1:40:06] Voice 9: that the demin island local trust committee bylaw number 241 cited as the demin island

[1:40:12] Voice 9: official community plan 2008

[1:40:13] Voice 7: amendment number one 2020-21 be adopted as amended

[1:40:18] Voice 7: second

[1:40:19] Trustee Maude: any discussion no question carry i move

[1:40:28] Trustee Borthwick: that the demin island local trust committee by

[1:40:30] Trustee Borthwick: law number 242 cited as demin island land use bylaw 2008 amendment number 1 to 2021 be adopted

[1:40:38] Trustee Borthwick: Second. Any discussion? Call the question.

[1:40:41] Trustee Maude: All in favour? Carries.

[1:40:43] Voice 9: Are we at number

[1:40:44] Trustee Maude: 4? Yeah.

[1:40:46] Voice 9: I move that the Gamma Island Local Trust Community By-law No. 243

[1:40:50] Voice 9: cited as Gamma Island Housing Agreement By-law No. 243-2021

[1:40:53] Voice 9: be amended as per Attachment 3 of the Staff Report and as follows.

[1:41:00] Trustee Maude: Second. Discussion? Call the question. All in favour? Carries.

[1:41:11] Trustee Borthwick: uh i move the devon island local trust committee by law number 243 cited as the devon island

[1:41:17] Trustee Borthwick: housing agreement by law number 243 2021 be adopted as amended second in discussion call

[1:41:25] Trustee Borthwick: the question on favor before

[1:41:26] Voice 9: i make this final motion i just want to thank the members of the

[1:41:33] Voice 7: Devin Land Trust, I'm sorry, Devin Housing Association, for the many, many hours and

[1:41:38] Voice 7: years and work that we have put into this application.

[1:41:41] Voice 7: Changing location, doing a really brilliant job of trading densities.

[1:41:47] Voice 7: I'm sorry, some people I know, it's brilliant.

[1:41:49] Voice 7: You didn't have any money anyway, so that was great.

[1:41:52] Voice 7: Very, very wonderful donation of those densities, by the way, from that landowner.

[1:41:55] Voice 9: That has to be recognized as extraordinary.

[1:41:58] Voice 9: And so, thank you.

[1:42:01] Voice 9: I move.

[1:42:01] Voice 9: that the local trust committee accept the covenant under section 219 of the land title act from the

[1:42:07] Voice 9: registered owners of lockheed section 18 demeron and i'm a district plant three six two six three

[1:42:13] Voice 9: except for the bpt one one three three three seven p-i-e triple zero three nine three nine four one

[1:42:22] Voice 9: and designate any two members of the local trust committee to sign the covenant brackets d-e-r-z

[1:42:28] Voice 9: the 2021

[1:42:28] Voice 7: .1 pha 1151 northwest

[1:42:35] Trustee Borthwick: just that i'm glad that david pulled that one to read out okay

[1:42:44] Voice 9: so the chair the applicant has requested an opportunity to speak now that you're finished

[1:42:50] Voice 9: uh for their decisions to be made by the local trust committee pertaining to this application

[1:42:54] Voice 9: and so it would be appropriate for them to address the office at this time.

[1:42:58] Trustee Maude: Hopefully they tell us we've done good.

[1:43:01] Trustee Maude: Change your mind.

[1:43:03] Trustee Maude: All right.

[1:43:05] Voice 11: If I may, a couple of words.

[1:43:11] Voice 11: I think it's fair to say that this is a pretty significant aspect of the community life of Denmark.

[1:43:21] The first multi-family affordable housing site to be approved.

[1:43:27] So I would like to make the point, however, that it

[1:43:32] Voice 6: is now 10 years since Denman Housing

[1:43:34] Voice 6: Association was incorporated, almost to the day, and it's two years, almost, to the day

[1:43:43] since we put in the application.

[1:43:46] What I think those two numbers illustrate is, first of all, how hard it is and how the

[1:43:57] it should not be so hard we have two governments at the moment governing denmark the regional

[1:44:03] Voice 6: district which i'm hoping is coming through with some money to help us with development design

[1:44:10] Voice 6: and the islands trust and it's a suggestion i think that listening to the other speakers

[1:44:19] Voice 6: that really the idea of having a commission specifically to look at housing on denmark

[1:44:25] Voice 6: is really worthy of support. It's time for more innovative, constructive thinking on an island

[1:44:34] Voice 6: where 40 odd percent of the land is in the ALR, the rest of it is privately held. As far as I'm

[1:44:42] Voice 6: aware there's no crown land. We have to have some constructive thinking and it's a good opportunity

[1:44:51] to refer you back to the concept

[1:44:56] Voice 6: that allowed the site across the road to be created whereby

[1:45:02] Voice 6: Nancy Snyder very generously effectively donated three densities that were the currency with

[1:45:10] Voice 6: which we have ended up with that site and the sort of innovative thinking that went

[1:45:16] Voice 6: into it uh also exemplified by penny nielsen uh being able and prepared to accept those three

[1:45:26] densities in lieu of the affordable housing site but it's that sort of thinking that i hope the

[1:45:32] local trust committee uh going forward will will support because that's in my opinion that's what's

[1:45:38] meeting. A final word, thanks to the two previous

[1:45:44] Voice 6: Highland trustees, Nora Bushekin and David

[1:45:48] Voice 6: Critchley, for their work. Last, but by no means least, thanks to Sonia Zubrinets for

[1:45:56] her meticulous professional work on this and

[1:46:00] Voice 6: her patience in dealing with at least one

[1:46:04] Voice 6: on rank thank you thank you all

[1:46:14] Voice 9: right so we can take that box that was a big box

[1:46:20] all right um i guess we push on forward um we have before us the denman island arm regulation

[1:46:30] Trustee Maude: review project all right so

[1:46:35] Voice 9: we have your partner marlis mccarter will be joining us soon

[1:46:46] are a little bit ahead of schedule yeah i don't think we apologize for that

[1:46:50] okay

[1:46:51] Trustee Maude: so we'll take our schedule break early

[1:46:59] Trustee Maude: okay

[1:47:18] Trustee Maude: we'll do a 30

[1:47:34] Trustee Borthwick: marvis i don't know if you can hear us but we're coming back in 30 minutes

[1:47:40] Planner McCargar: okay yeah i'll be back in 30 minutes

[1:48:07] I'm hoping that you would walk with a cross at that next to the delegation to be able to board the measure.

[1:48:23] Voice 11: Part of the issue is that there was reasons for only film especially

[1:48:36] Trustee Borthwick: detailed and not allowed to speak in it.

[1:48:39] Trustee Borthwick: There's lots of research for that, and that's all totally, I think, as a new LTC, so it's

[1:48:46] Voice 11: certainly very important to me that we demonstrate to them if we want it here.

[1:48:51] Trustee Maude: I'm just letting you know,

[1:48:52] Voice 9: because I think the minutes are tight, so I can't.

[1:48:54] Trustee Maude: I tend to be the bad cop, and I think, okay, you don't have to do those types of things, but I think it is, and every time we have exceptions, but this meeting was, I just didn't want to offend the same thing.

[1:49:26] Voice 9: is

[1:49:27] Voice 9: 25 years

[1:51:02] I'm just trying to

[1:51:04] Thank you.

[1:51:05] That's important for everyone.

[1:51:10] Thank you very much.

[1:51:35] Voice 11: It's a tour.

[1:51:36] Voice 11: It's a tour.

[1:51:37] Voice 11: And a lot of it's .

[1:51:39] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:51:40] Voice 11: Good job.

[1:51:41] Voice 11: OK.

[1:51:41] Voice 11: Do you like the message?

[1:51:42] Voice 11: Of course.

[1:51:43] Voice 11: Right on.

[1:51:44] Voice 4: I brought something that was at my car.

[1:51:46] Voice 4: It's .

[1:51:48] 25 years?

[1:51:49] Voice 9: 25 years?

[1:51:50] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:51:51] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:51:51] Voice 9: Oh.

[1:51:53] Voice 9: Thanks.

[1:51:54] Voice 9: Later.

[1:51:55] Voice 9: We'll

[1:51:55] Voice 11: go right behind you first.

[1:51:56] Voice 9: Yeah, exactly.

[1:51:58] Voice 9: Yeah, let's hear it.

[1:51:59] Voice 9: I know.

[1:51:59] Voice 9: I know.

[1:52:00] Voice 9: I know.

[1:52:00] Voice 9: I know.

[1:52:00] Voice 9: I know.

[1:52:02] I know.

[1:52:03] I know.

[1:52:03] I know.

[1:52:03] I know.

[1:52:04] I know.

[1:52:04] I know.

[1:52:05] I know.

[1:52:05] I know.

[1:52:06] I know.

[1:52:06] I know.

[1:52:07] I know.

[1:52:07] I know.

[1:52:09] Voice 4: I know.

[1:52:21] Thank you

[1:52:23] Voice 9: very

[1:52:47] Voice 4: much.

[1:54:38] Voice 11: i don't think that's what you're doing

[1:54:46] Trustee Maude: so

[1:56:32] Voice 4: it

[1:56:33] Voice 9: makes more sense

[1:56:37] Voice 9: yeah

[1:57:32] Trustee Maude: And it

[1:57:32] Voice 9: is because these problems

[1:57:33] Voice 9: can happen to these staff.

[1:57:35] Voice 9: They want to help them, too.

[1:57:38] Voice 9: So the reconnection wants to get out.

[1:57:42] And if the other person wants to get in the same place,

[1:57:44] they can do it.

[1:57:45] But he's concerned that it might come to him.

[1:57:47] You're not going to work.

[1:57:48] He wants to make sure that he's not

[1:57:50] stuck in that kind of process.

[1:57:51] These things all get brought to the same conclusion.

[1:57:53] Why hang it around?

[1:57:54] I think the insurance group.

[1:57:55] Yeah.

[1:57:56] So you've got to

[1:57:57] Voice 9: find the right person for you.

[1:57:59] Voice 9: So I'm going to make a question.

[1:57:59] Voice 9: I don't use

[1:58:00] Voice 9: what gets referred to

[1:58:04] So what you see on the protection office, they are used.

[1:58:09] They get every

[1:58:12] permit that was commissioned.

[1:58:14] And within a certain period of time, they don't see

[1:58:18] a new home

[1:58:20] Voice 11: or

[1:58:20] Voice 9: find a property.

[1:58:31] all

[1:58:32] Voice 9: there were some

[1:59:25] So, there again, basically, some of these other sources of trust in builders, it's

[1:59:35] super

[1:59:36] Voice 9: -sufficient right now.

[1:59:37] Voice 9: So, I know this, to me, it's a similar thing that we've met.

[1:59:43] Voice 9: What's that going to do?

[1:59:44] Voice 4: So,

[1:59:45] Voice 9: yes, it is a firm that we have

[1:59:49] Voice 11: to wish them well.

[1:59:50] Voice 11: I'm

[1:59:50] Voice 9: really excited to see what's there for you.

[1:59:53] Voice 9: It's a community-state convention.

[1:59:55] Voice 9: Well, we literally moved out of here.

[2:00:08] Voice 9: let's see

[2:00:10] Trustee Maude: thank

[2:00:10] Voice 9: you very much

[2:01:30] Trustee Maude: Their words continue.

[2:01:32] Trustee Maude: Thank you very much.

[2:01:33] Trustee Maude: I know it's

[2:01:34] Voice 4: about

[2:01:34] Trustee Maude: my passion.

[2:01:37] I mean, from

[2:01:38] Voice 11: doing the .

[2:01:41] Voice 11: I'm very .

[2:01:42] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:01:43] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:01:44] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:01:44] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:01:45] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:01:46] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:01:47] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:01:47] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:01:48] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:01:48] Voice 9: I'm sorry to interrupt your lunch.

[2:01:50] Voice 9: I wanted to apologize for my imprecise

[2:01:53] Voice 9: That

[2:01:53] Trustee Maude: makes it better.

[2:01:54] Trustee Maude: That makes it better.

[2:01:54] Trustee Maude: in my email.

[2:01:55] Trustee Maude: So I'm sorry.

[2:01:57] Voice 11: I'm sorry.

[2:01:58] Voice 11: I'm sorry.

[2:01:58] Voice 11: to see the biggest sports that people want to do that.

[2:02:02] What can I do to announce that?

[2:02:04] We're in the area

[2:02:05] Voice 9: of the future, and I'm not alone.

[2:02:07] Voice 9: No, no, no, no, no, no,

[2:02:08] Voice 4: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[2:02:09] Voice 9: I

[2:02:10] Voice 4: don't want these guys to

[2:02:10] Voice 9: see them as conflicting.

[2:02:13] Voice 9: No, I don't

[2:02:14] Voice 4: want to see around.

[2:02:15] Voice 9: The Chairman protected natural environment

[2:02:17] Voice 9: as human involvement on the island.

[2:02:20] Voice 9: I don't have a problem with that.

[2:02:21] Voice 9: No, Chair.

[2:02:22] Voice 9: Now, there

[2:02:22] Voice 5: is a trade

[2:02:23] Voice 9: deal that says we should all leave.

[2:02:26] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:02:56] Trustee Maude: It tends to be a question and misinterpretation of the purpose.

[2:03:01] Because I would say that it's generally being perfect.

[2:03:05] Because again, it's a strong word, but it is.

[2:03:09] Because it talks about the people,

[2:03:10] Trustee Maude: of the people, of the trust, and so on, et cetera.

[2:03:14] Trustee Maude: But it also says, you need to do unique memories.

[2:03:17] Trustee Maude: And the environment.

[2:03:19] Trustee Maude: And everybody says, oh, the unique memories and many of these parts are in the environment.

[2:03:23] No, that's a separate part.

[2:03:25] And we've always tried, and everybody tries to define it, as to what Unique Humanities means, and that's

[2:03:32] Trustee Maude: one of the reasons this legislation was never defined.

[2:03:35] Trustee Maude: So it's subject to total interpretation. But the way I look at it, this environment is already covered. It's got its own word.

[2:03:41] And Unique Humanities is like, what is it? This is the thing.

[2:03:54] Voice 11: I don't think there's anything more essential than that, but

[2:03:58] Trustee Maude: definitely it

[2:04:00] Trustee Maude: speaks for the people.

[2:04:01] Voice 11: Okay, thank you.

[2:04:03] Trustee Maude: i'm

[2:04:03] Voice 11: hoping that it's a general

[2:04:11] Voice 9: but the thing

[2:04:12] Voice 9: is

[2:04:17] Trustee Maude: that the exchange in this case can be one person to one person

[2:04:20] Trustee Maude: the extreme before or four or five people or four or five people

[2:04:32] So yeah.

[2:04:34] But I mean, like, the last term, Trust Council

[2:04:37] would help us with that.

[2:04:38] Voice 4: If you

[2:04:39] Voice 11: look at the entire ..

[2:04:41] Voice 11: I mean, I don't get ..

[2:04:43] Voice 11: I don't know

[2:04:44] Voice 7: here.

[2:04:45] Voice 11: It's a complete

[2:04:46] Voice 11: application ..

[2:04:47] Voice 11: So the consultants are on ..

[2:04:49] Voice 9: They're not .

[2:04:51] Voice 9: Why not ?

[2:04:54] But it's the same thing.

[2:04:55] If you say two months, yes.

[2:04:58] But I don't think that's everything.

[2:04:59] It was done.

[2:05:00] but morally with everyone they're asking for two months

[2:05:05] but to ask for two changes in definitions

[2:06:00] You know, this is a lot of it is getting dropped.

[2:06:10] Trustee Maude: That's a real awesome. Yeah.

[2:07:11] Voice 9: And then you're being

[2:07:12] Voice 11: accused by somebody

[2:07:14] Voice 11: that you don't know.

[2:07:15] Voice 11: I

[2:07:16] Voice 9: mean, that has nothing to do with it.

[2:07:19] It's one of two things.

[2:07:20] Yeah, it's the same thing.

[2:07:22] It's a good one.

[2:07:23] We talked about one month ago.

[2:07:25] There are a person in our house.

[2:07:28] Trustee Maude: You can't just ask whatever.

[2:07:30] Trustee Maude: Right, so you've worked in her house.

[2:07:31] Trustee Maude: Well, well, and first of all, we'll take a check.

[2:07:33] Trustee Maude: Because she

[2:07:34] Voice 9: was trying to talk to

[2:07:35] Voice 9: her husband's wife.

[2:07:37] Voice 9: Huh?

[2:07:40] Trustee Maude: And I said to the manager, I said,

[2:07:43] Voice 9: well, then

[2:07:44] Trustee Maude: we're going to write 100,000 certificates.

[2:07:48] Trustee Maude: He goes, why?

[2:07:48] Trustee Maude: I said, well, everybody's got a certificate.

[2:07:49] Trustee Maude: He has

[2:07:50] Trustee Maude: no idea how to send that to me.

[2:07:51] Trustee Maude: But it's not our business.

[2:07:54] Trustee Maude: We don't care about that stuff.

[2:07:57] So what we did is we put in a do not enforce motion.

[2:08:01] Do not enforce against animals.

[2:08:03] Period.

[2:08:04] So what is the problem, of course?

[2:08:06] I don't think I was

[2:08:11] Trustee Maude: just while I was talking to the site.

[2:08:15] Trustee Maude: I

[2:08:15] Voice 9: don't understand a lot of little, you know, language.

[2:08:18] Trustee Maude: Even though we had to do that, but I think there's a couple of pieces.

[2:08:29] Trustee Maude: What?

[2:08:31] Trustee Maude: Well, somebody put it in a bottle.

[2:08:34] Trustee Maude: Okay.

[2:08:35] Trustee Maude: So the bottle.

[2:08:36] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[2:09:07] Trustee Maude: I don't know if we're running out of time.

[2:09:17] Nice meeting you.

[2:09:21] Paul will probably be in touch, I'm sure.

[2:09:47] Thank you.

[2:10:55] Trustee Maude: they don't have a new update to that as well because this is a bunch of them

[2:11:01] so it's just a little stuff that's doing hers is physically housing so it is

[2:11:31] Voice 9: It's

[2:11:31] Trustee Maude: one of the difficult things that

[2:11:32] Trustee Maude: I hate about this country,

[2:11:34] Voice 9: out

[2:11:35] Trustee Maude: of the four of you,

[2:11:36] Trustee Maude: because you know, we're not supposed to kill people.

[2:11:42] And we'll be safe if you can have this country.

[2:11:47] But they're not making me look good.

[2:12:01] you know it's hard because it's especially

[2:12:11] This is exactly what I'm trying to do.

[2:12:15] Trustee Maude: You have to work with each other to figure out what's

[2:12:19] Trustee Maude: going on here.

[2:12:20] Trustee Maude: Is this right?

[2:12:21] Trustee Maude: Is this wrong?

[2:12:22] Voice 9: No.

[2:12:23] Voice 9: So instead, we have

[2:12:24] Trustee Maude: these weekly phone calls,

[2:12:26] Trustee Maude: which I don't even trust them.

[2:12:28] Trustee Maude: Because basically speaking, they're

[2:12:30] Trustee Maude: supposed to be talking to each other.

[2:12:32] Because we're in a group.

[2:12:35] Trustee Maude: This is what's going on.

[2:12:36] Trustee Maude: This is driving it.

[2:12:37] Trustee Maude: This is what we're doing.

[2:12:43] So it makes it very, very awkward,

[2:12:49] because that was my biggest one, when I got really involved.

[2:12:52] I don't recall the politicians in the presentation.

[2:12:54] Trustee Maude: And there were five of them.

[2:12:56] Trustee Maude: And we were dysfunctional, because we

[2:12:58] Trustee Maude: had one member who wanted to fight and argue

[2:13:01] Trustee Maude: with the whole thing.

[2:13:05] Trustee Maude: But having the ability to speak with each member

[2:13:08] At the time, first talked

[2:13:10] Trustee Maude: to her, had a pulper on,

[2:13:12] Trustee Maude: then talked to the other ones, you know, over a little while.

[2:13:16] You know, we've always agreed.

[2:13:18] I don't know.

[2:13:18] I think you might have had two photos that were coming out.

[2:13:22] Trustee Maude: But it was .

[2:13:24] Trustee Maude: It was a matter of treatment.

[2:13:26] Trustee Maude: It was not a discussion.

[2:13:28] Trustee Maude: But also, it was a matter of .

[2:13:39] Trustee Maude: But it is a good way to make decisions, because

[2:13:43] Trustee Maude: you know, it's like a caregiving.

[2:13:45] Trustee Maude: Do you want staff only for one thing and you want to engage them every day? That's not going to work.

[2:13:51] Trustee Maude: You know, not for the community, it's not going to work. But

[2:13:53] Trustee Maude: you know, it's for the local customers.

[2:21:16] Voice 4: yes

[2:21:24] Planner McCargar: i can all

[2:21:29] Trustee Maude: right so we're back and we're at the denman island farm plan regulation review

[2:21:36] Trustee Maude: project and that looks like you so we'll turn it over to plan mccarter yeah

[2:21:42] Planner McCargar: hi everyone um so this

[2:21:45] Planner McCargar: is just kind of a brief memo that just updates the local trust committee on the progress with

[2:21:52] Planner McCargar: with the Denman Island Farming Regulations Review Project

[2:21:54] Planner McCargar: and then to just outline next steps.

[2:21:58] Planner McCargar: So there hasn't been a lot that's happened on the project

[2:22:01] Planner McCargar: in the last few months

[2:22:03] Planner McCargar: because we've actually been in the referral period.

[2:22:06] Planner McCargar: So it's the bylaws went out to agencies and First Nations,

[2:22:12] Planner McCargar: the Advisory Planning Commission

[2:22:15] Planner McCargar: and the, yeah, a variety of other agencies

[2:22:18] Planner McCargar: C is out for referral for the last 60 days. So the referral period just closed. And then we'll

[2:22:25] Planner McCargar: be reviewing that referral responses and coming back to the LTC. But I just wanted to give you,

[2:22:35] Planner McCargar: since some of you, you're all new on the LTC, I wanted to just give a brief kind of overview

[2:22:42] Planner McCargar: review and update on the project. So both bylaws, I guess I'll start by saying this project was

[2:22:52] Planner McCargar: initially started in 2018. And then it was so a bit of consultation and bylaws were drafted at

[2:23:00] Planner McCargar: that time. And then it was put on hold, just due to resources being allocated differently.

[2:23:06] Planner McCargar: And then the project was revitalized in the fall of 2021.

[2:23:12] Planner McCargar: There was a grant that was received in, so it was funded in part by the Agricultural and Agri-Food Canada and the Government of British Columbia through the Investment Agricultural Foundation.

[2:23:25] Planner McCargar: And that grant covered the cost of a consultant.

[2:23:29] Planner McCargar: So the consultant was hired to really lead the project.

[2:23:33] Planner McCargar: It was Upland Consulting, and they were the ones that led the community consultation process, held community information meetings, and prepared the engagement summary report, and then did the amendments to Bylaws 228 and 229.

[2:23:55] Planner McCargar: so as I mentioned the the referral period just closed so we'll be reviewing the responses for

[2:24:04] Planner McCargar: that there was an advisory planning commission meeting that happened on January 17th and the

[2:24:13] Planner McCargar: APC indicated that they are supportive of the bylaws moving forward to public hearing

[2:24:18] Planner McCargar: they passed a resolution at that time which I included in the memo here and then that sort of

[2:24:27] Planner McCargar: brings us to the next steps which would be to hold a public hearing a public hearing must be held

[2:24:34] Planner McCargar: after first reading and before third reading of the proposed bylaw and the the purpose of that

[2:24:40] Planner McCargar: is just to hear the views of community members regarding the bylaw and typically it would be

[2:24:47] Planner McCargar: preceded by a community information meeting could choose to do that you know a month or weeks prior

[2:24:54] Planner McCargar: prior to the public hearing or right before the public hearing.

[2:24:57] Planner McCargar: And so I did in this report include a date for the public hearing.

[2:25:03] Planner McCargar: But there has been some changes just with staff resources and

[2:25:09] Planner McCargar: we're having some retirements coming up

[2:25:12] Planner McCargar: and some staff changes going on with a lot of our admin staff here.

[2:25:17] Planner McCargar: So I'm not confident that this April 4th

[2:25:21] Planner McCargar: date will happen for a public hearing um i just wanted to put that kind of caveat we'll be

[2:25:27] Planner McCargar: training some new staff and um we will we'll let we'll let you know but i just yeah wanted to to

[2:25:35] Planner McCargar: mention that it's it's possible that it won't happen on that date um yeah and i think so i

[2:25:41] Planner McCargar: think that's kind of it um just uh yeah a brief brief update all right any questions

[2:25:48] Voice 7: trustee especially to the chair thank you for that um um

[2:25:52] Voice 9: so you say the uh

[2:25:54] Voice 9: the

[2:25:54] Voice 7: period for referral is

[2:25:56] Voice 9: finished can you tell me and you may not be able to tell me but i'll

[2:26:00] Voice 9: ask anything can you tell me if you received anything from the denver growers and producers

[2:26:04] Voice 9: i did

[2:26:06] Planner McCargar: yes and i haven't um like yeah just because the referral period closed so

[2:26:12] Planner McCargar: i just wanted to know if they had responded yes they did respond yeah i haven't reviewed it yet

[2:26:18] Planner McCargar: That's

[2:26:19] Voice 7: fine. I don't want to ask you a question. So what's it? Is it going to be coming back to us at some point? Great.

[2:26:26] Trustee Maude: I don't have any particular questions right now.

[2:26:29] Trustee Maude: All right. Well, thank you very much. We consider ourselves briefed and look forward to your future endeavors. Thank you.

[2:26:37] Planner McCargar: Great. Thank you.

[2:26:38] Planner McCargar: Thank you. All right. And then our next one is the Local Trust Committee Active in Future Project Summary.

[2:26:47] who are we oh hand in the air he's coming um let me just a question i am having trouble finding i

[2:26:59] think the cover page was from before the agenda was amended and i think i'm on the wrong i'm not

[2:27:06] finding the right pages for uh where

[2:27:10] Trustee Maude: we are in the agenda 171 to 176 is what i've got

[2:27:17] i

[2:27:19] Trustee Borthwick: mean this looks like the right thing i just i wasn't i don't know why

[2:27:22] Trustee Borthwick: it wasn't corresponding quite with what i had but i found it now

[2:27:25] Trustee Borthwick: okay

[2:27:26] Voice 9: so this

[2:27:33] Voice 9: report is your first opportunity to review what came out of the last local trust

[2:27:41] Voice 9: committees a direction for the active future projects list so that we can now get a sense

[2:27:47] Voice 9: of whether or not you concur with the direction today would be the day in which you provide us

[2:27:51] Voice 9: with some clarity on any changes that you wish to make to the current projects in the future

[2:27:55] Voice 9: program so that's page 218 of your agenda package you've got that list of projects there um so i'll

[2:28:02] Voice 9: start with the current projects you've just got an update on the farming regulations for your

[2:28:07] Voice 9: project if you had any

[2:28:08] Voice 9: deviation from the class or the plan you'd need to do that by resolution

[2:28:12] Voice 9: today so we did not want to proceed to public hearing we did not want those bylaws to advance

[2:28:18] Voice 9: for some reason that would be the direction today ideally that we would give staff somehow not for

[2:28:23] Voice 9: any concerns you're happy with staff to continue with the farming project that's one of your

[2:28:29] Voice 9: current projects that's coming the other project that you have going on is your official community

[2:28:34] Voice 9: plan review project so the project charter for that is on the project website it's not included

[2:28:40] Voice 9: in this agenda package but the project website for the housing and the farm project up to date

[2:28:45] Voice 9: with all of course all staff reports the project charter that outlines what the objectives are of

[2:28:50] Voice 9: that project so the last local trust committee had engaged with a consultant to undertake a

[2:28:56] Voice 9: community survey as well as an open house opportunity which did not happen that was

[2:29:04] Voice 9: um which is unfortunate and it has not been rescheduled because we need some breathing

[2:29:09] Voice 9: space for the community to allow for things to simmer down there's a lot of interest in that

[2:29:15] open house and some of it was quite negative in terms of the consultants feeling they didn't have

[2:29:20] Voice 9: to come down to an in-person meeting here so that was really unfortunate we pulled the plug on that

[2:29:25] Voice 9: and we would like to advise you that the contract although it stipulates

[2:29:41] Voice 9: it's likely not possible to undertake that work before the end of March. So we have some

[2:29:48] Voice 9: suggestions to talk about if that is still your top priority project, which based on

[2:29:54] Voice 9: today's discussions and delegations, I'm going to make a

[2:30:00] I'll guess

[2:30:00] Voice 9: that housing is still your top priority

[2:30:02] Voice 9: for this next fiscal coming up and for this year.

[2:30:06] Voice 9: So this staff report is standardized

[2:30:08] Voice 9: for all the local trust committees,

[2:30:10] Voice 9: just to give them the format

[2:30:11] Voice 9: and what you have going on potentially,

[2:30:13] Voice 9: give us some direction on that,

[2:30:15] Voice 9: as well as give you a sense of some of the

[2:30:17] Federation-wide projects that might be coming to you,

[2:30:21] things like administrative bylaws,

[2:30:23] delegation of powers for development from the areas.

[2:30:25] These are all things that are happening

[2:30:27] Voice 9: across the trust

[2:30:28] Voice 9: that the local trust committee might see in your terms so you just have to keep a little bit of

[2:30:32] Voice 9: space for those things as they come in um so if you have any questions about those elements of this

[2:30:38] Voice 9: report we can discuss that so i'll um you know i'll pause there to see if you have any questions

[2:30:46] Voice 9: about the report itself and then we can discuss the official community plan project specifically

[2:30:53] Voice 9: This is in general terms. Did you have a sense of any changes that you wanted to make to your current or future projects list?

[2:31:01] Voice 9: And then we can talk about the OCP projects specifically.

[2:31:04] Voice 9: Trustee

[2:31:04] Voice 7: Gray? Okay, I have no questions regarding the report, but I certainly have questions regarding our top priorities.

[2:31:12] Voice 7: Do you have a chance to answer those questions, to entertain those questions?

[2:31:18] um

[2:31:21] Voice 4: yeah i mean i i'm interested to hear you know the housing review is obviously

[2:31:30] a very significant thing i don't was very pleased to receive uh peter spur's uh communication and

[2:31:39] analysis of the review and the survey so far

[2:31:42] Trustee Borthwick: um i think there's a lot of really important stuff

[2:31:45] in there i don't know exactly um i mean yeah it definitely seems like the consultants don't have

[2:31:52] a workable

[2:31:53] Trustee Borthwick: time frame at this point um but i also don't know exactly this sort of direction or the

[2:31:58] Trustee Borthwick: directives they were given to begin with and where that was leading um so yeah definitely came to

[2:32:07] sort of examine that and see if that's

[2:32:09] Trustee Borthwick: actually the way forward to go i think

[2:32:10] Trustee Borthwick: the formation of an apc would be very valuable to inform any further consultant work um but i

[2:32:17] Trustee Borthwick: mean it seems like potentially the consultant plan for that is

[2:32:22] Voice 11: sort of moved at this point

[2:32:24] Voice 11: if they don't have time to complete their deliverables so i don't know if there's any other

[2:32:33] Voice 4: thank

[2:32:35] Voice 7: you so specifically regarding houses it was a pretty hefty budget only 13 500 and from

[2:32:42] Voice 7: my understanding they've spent under 500 do you anticipate any other bills coming in

[2:32:50] Voice 7: because that probably just covered the two summer market opportunities for people to

[2:32:58] Voice 7: at least see what was going on and it was it's really unfortunate that one one of our community

[2:33:03] Voice 7: members made a very inappropriate public publicly accessed statement to the effect that it made the

[2:33:12] Voice 7: the consultants feel they would be in danger.

[2:33:16] Voice 7: And I wish there had been some facility

[2:33:19] Voice 7: for the local trustees to have gotten involved,

[2:33:22] Voice 7: to intercede, to interpret, inter...

[2:33:28] Voice 7: Anyway, I think we could have gone ahead

[2:33:30] Voice 7: with a community information meeting

[2:33:32] Voice 7: had we been involved with that.

[2:33:34] Voice 7: We could have taken that personally

[2:33:36] Voice 7: and dealt with that perceived threat,

[2:33:39] Voice 7: which I totally understand how it was perceived

[2:33:42] Voice 7: by the consultants,

[2:33:43] Voice 9: fortunately, knowing this particular individual, those threats don't

[2:33:47] Voice 9: have any substance behind them, but there's no way that the consultants knew that, and

[2:33:51] Voice 9: I get that, okay, so, and that person

[2:33:55] Voice 7: may want to speak again at some point, so before

[2:33:58] Voice 7: we hit the brakes, is there some mechanism by way the consultants can talk to us through

[2:34:04] Voice 7: you, or through the chair, or somebody, so that we can help that process continue, because

[2:34:10] Voice 7: it's a really important process, so.

[2:34:11] Voice 7: So

[2:34:12] Voice 9: the first step is to confirm that the housing project is still a top priority.

[2:34:16] Voice 9: Sorry, it's a top priority for me.

[2:34:19] Voice 9: Absolutely.

[2:34:20] Voice 9: So I'm getting a sense that I won't be hearing a resolution from you that deviates from maintaining what is currently on the list.

[2:34:26] Voice 9: So that's great.

[2:34:27] Voice 9: So I just pulled up the housing project charter on the screen so everyone's aware of the purpose and the objectives of this particular project.

[2:34:36] Voice 9: if you are in school yeah and so the contractor uh it has reviewed the northern housing needs

[2:34:42] Voice 9: assessment they're looking at the local government act housing policy requirements that you're

[2:34:46] Voice 9: obligated to have reflected in your official community plan um as well as the survey they're

[2:34:52] Voice 9: compiling results from that survey that was uh closed in june december it's just end of december

[2:34:57] Voice 9: so they're just tabulating the results of that now to provide a comprehensive summary of responses

[2:35:04] Voice 9: responses and the appetite for different types of changes that you could consider as part of

[2:35:09] Voice 9: their suite of recommendations. So ideally what was supposed to happen is in the work plan is

[2:35:16] Voice 9: that you would have you know had an open house or a workshop in the community by now so that by

[2:35:24] Voice 9: March the final recommendations are informed by that piece. So what I'm suggesting that we do

[2:35:30] Voice 9: in the interim considering your next meeting is on April 4th is that on the April 4th agenda you

[2:35:37] Voice 9: have that final recommendation package based on the information that they received to date

[2:35:42] Voice 9: including today's delegations the submission packages that you've received today are

[2:35:48] Voice 9: practical in nature in terms of policy and regulatory changes that you could consider

[2:35:54] Voice 9: and they fit within the scope of the of the project objectives related to secondary suites

[2:36:03] Voice 9: secondary dwellings distributing square footage regulations to limit floor areas of dwellings so

[2:36:09] Voice 9: that it balances the needs of the housing and the environmental protection issues that this

[2:36:15] Voice 9: project is intended to address so that might be a sufficient compromise to get you to the end of

[2:36:21] Voice 9: March in terms of having one document that summarizes what's been done to date, what the

[2:36:29] Voice 9: tangible policy changes could be, and the regulation changes that you could consider

[2:36:35] Voice 9: if not reduce those fees. And that's just going to build upon what you heard today,

[2:36:40] Voice 9: but with more specificity around your OCP and your land use file. And then that gives you an

[2:36:48] Voice 9: opportunity to consider directing staff as to whether or not you'd like to strike a separate

[2:36:53] Voice 9: advisory planning commission then we need to do the expressions of interest which we advertise

[2:37:00] Voice 9: solicit if you're shaking the bushes in the community sufficient number of volunteers to

[2:37:05] Voice 9: express interest then you have to appoint those members so there is a considerable amount of

[2:37:09] Voice 9: administration and time to do that piece um that could dovetail nicely with their first referral

[2:37:16] Voice 9: being reviewing that summary document and providing either a low-hanging fruit,

[2:37:23] Voice 9: high-hanging fruit type menu that you could then incorporate

[2:37:27] Voice 9: into a revised project charter for this next fiscal

[2:37:30] Voice 9: because the next piece of work is to actually draft those bylaws,

[2:37:36] Voice 9: which is not something the community does.

[2:37:38] Voice 9: They inform the input, and you synthesize that based on professional advice

[2:37:44] Voice 9: licensed and public input and determine what you want to see in those draft bylaws and then we

[2:37:50] Voice 9: draft those bylaws for you and that would be um a long-range planning project so there's a long-range

[2:37:57] Voice 9: regional planning team that would be assigned to do that project or if you're successful in

[2:38:04] Voice 9: getting the budget in march council just right eight thousand dollars so that would include

[2:38:09] Voice 9: would include community engagement, that would include drafting of the bylaws, the legislative

[2:38:13] Voice 9: review process, going through public hearing, the small budget. But in a year, you should

[2:38:19] Voice 9: be able to theoretically vet draft bylaws through a public process and have them considered

[2:38:29] Voice 9: as potential amendments. So for this fiscal, that means that we would actually not be delivering

[2:38:38] Voice 9: on the contract uh as drafted in terms of the public engagement piece which is unfortunate

[2:38:44] Voice 9: but that means it just gets built into the next stage and the use of an advisory planning

[2:38:49] Voice 9: commission that's housing specific does create that focus group where you are appointing members

[2:38:56] Voice 9: of the community that will focus their attention very carefully on some of the work that that you

[2:39:03] Voice 9: would want the whole community to do at large anyway but you benefit from up to nine people

[2:39:08] Voice 9: giving their advice to you, a very specific targeted policy and regulation review.

[2:39:14] Voice 9: So that can sometimes be a really effective way of getting quickly to the solutions that

[2:39:21] Voice 9: everybody's so anxious to get to, is what's the appetite for these changes?

[2:39:26] Voice 9: Once people see what it means to change the OCP and what that looks like in a landing spot,

[2:39:31] Voice 9: that's when the conversation gets really exciting because there's

[2:39:35] Voice 9: possibly some unintended consequences of different changes that people haven't considered that the

[2:39:39] Voice 9: planning analysis is going to feed into um or they don't realize necessarily the scope and the

[2:39:45] Voice 9: magnitude that these changes could apply to the whole island not necessarily just

[2:39:49] Voice 9: certain geographic locations so um that abc might be we would recommend that approach if you're not

[2:39:57] Voice 9: going to strike a separate one that you're used to your advisory planning mission um if you felt

[2:40:03] Voice 9: confident that they had sufficient capacity and an interest in that topic um you could just use

[2:40:10] Voice 9: the one that you already have as well now

[2:40:12] Trustee Maude: given the present interest the present momentum it sounds

[2:40:20] from what i'm hearing everywhere is this uh graduate committee might be something everybody

[2:40:26] supports

[2:40:26] Trustee Maude: is it inappropriate to make a motion at this point in time to start those wheels and

[2:40:32] Trustee Maude: and process no

[2:40:34] Voice 9: it's not inappropriate if you're confident that that's the

[2:40:37] Voice 9: route you wanted to go that you're you want to not use your agency

[2:40:43] Voice 9: another membership another body of community members and with their sufficient capacity

[2:40:49] Voice 9: because sometimes small islands really don't have enough volunteers to do multiple

[2:40:55] Voice 9: committees or commissions so that's your area of expertise to know your community and whether or

[2:41:00] Voice 9: not there's up to nine people that would appoint so the direction to to staff would be um to begin

[2:41:07] Voice 9: the process um for expressions of interest for a housing advisory planning commission

[2:41:13] Voice 9: and then we have to prep the odds and give sufficient time and bring back on april 4th

[2:41:19] Voice 9: potentially your next meeting in camera

[2:41:23] Voice 9: around I just

[2:41:27] Voice 7: have one more follow-up question in my original I know I think I was really hoping

[2:41:31] Voice 7: that temporary is from this part of the scope they aren't um to amend the scope is such a minor

[2:41:39] Voice 7: little piece of the housing question can can we can I amend that scope without causing a great

[2:41:46] Voice 7: deal of problem

[2:41:46] Voice 9: for the consultants so which elements of the temporary use parents oh the

[2:41:53] Voice 9: well

[2:41:54] Voice 7: they apply to secondary

[2:41:55] Voice 7: lines uh right now so i'm thinking that it might be part of the

[2:42:00] Voice 7: report because it you can't have a tent you can't have a secondary dwelling on rv

[2:42:04] Voice 9: oh yeah yeah so that's

[2:42:06] Voice 9: going to be part of yes it's already implied in school okay thank you

[2:42:11] Voice 7: and i i actually think it makes sense to start the process of appointing that special apc now

[2:42:18] Voice 7: now, because I don't know what it's going to take.

[2:42:21] Voice 7: I know that the current APC, great people,

[2:42:26] Voice 7: but they didn't have that as their interest

[2:42:29] Voice 7: when they applied.

[2:42:30] Voice 7: And I don't think we'll have a tough time finding at least nine

[2:42:33] Voice 7: people.

[2:42:34] Voice 7: I don't know what their

[2:42:34] Voice 9: names will be.

[2:42:35] Trustee Borthwick: They're also set to, they're also,

[2:42:37] Trustee Borthwick: the membership of the current APC is set to expire in July.

[2:42:40] Trustee Borthwick: So they'll be electing new members anyways.

[2:42:43] Trustee Borthwick: So I, yeah.

[2:42:45] Voice 9: So I'll make that motion.

[2:42:47] Voice 9: Try it.

[2:42:48] Voice 9: sorry i move that the devon local trust committee appoint or advertise wait sorry

[2:42:57] advertise for inspections of a special advisory

[2:43:01] Voice 9: planning commission regards to the current

[2:43:07] Voice 4: housing

[2:43:08] Voice 4: the funders that were able to work for you is that specific yeah

[2:43:17] Voice 9: i would be to request that

[2:43:19] Voice 9: to advertise for members i put expressions of interest you like that yeah i have moved that

[2:43:29] Voice 9: the demo and local trust committee advertised for expressions of interest for a special advisory

[2:43:33] Voice 9: commission with the current housing review regarding the current housing review specifically

[2:43:39] Voice 9: specifically to consider special housing to consider the current housing so to be clear

[2:43:53] Voice 9: this would be a closing advisory planning commission though it would be yeah okay I'll

[2:43:58] Voice 9: put planning in there okay

[2:44:03] Trustee Maude: so staff are comfortable with that yeah

[2:44:06] Voice 9: that gives us enough all right

[2:44:08] Trustee Maude: move that

[2:44:11] Voice 9: the demo 9 local cares committee advertised for expressions of interest for

[2:44:15] Voice 9: a special advisory planning commission specifically to consider the current housing review

[2:44:20] Trustee Maude: yes thank

[2:44:21] Trustee Maude: you second second any discussion call the question on favor it's done thank you is there anything

[2:44:30] Trustee Maude: else out of this little

[2:44:31] Voice 4: package just because

[2:44:45] Voice 9: it's on the projects list it doesn't mean you

[2:44:50] necessarily want to start anything. You wouldn't start

[2:44:52] anything without a recipe, without anything.

[2:44:54] Well,

[2:44:55] Voice 9: you're fully occupied.

[2:44:57] Voice 9: It doesn't really matter.

[2:44:59] Voice 9: Projects are all resourced.

[2:45:01] Voice 9: Yep.

[2:45:02] Voice 9: There's no capacity for an initial project.

[2:45:04] Voice 9: So once one of them is completed,

[2:45:07] Voice 9: then you have space for a minor

[2:45:09] Voice 9: project and a major project.

[2:45:10] Voice 9: The farming regulations for each project

[2:45:13] Voice 9: would be considered your minor next fiscal

[2:45:14] Voice 9: because there's still

[2:45:16] Voice 9: public hearing and that legislative

[2:45:19] Voice 9: to review these to be completed and then your ocp review project will be your own major with

[2:45:25] Voice 9: the regional planning team so there'll be a planner to that to help you with that

[2:45:30] Voice 9: okay so that's so we've got enough direction in terms of your next meeting and wrapping up

[2:45:38] Voice 9: the consultant's work um to provide you with a sufficient summary of the work that's been done

[2:45:42] Voice 9: to date so just another follow-up question for the chair so there will be a balance

[2:45:48] Voice 9: balance or a balance of

[2:45:50] Voice 7: that original housing review contract that will go into general revenue

[2:45:56] Voice 7: it

[2:45:57] Voice 9: disappears I'm sorry it

[2:45:59] Voice 9: disappeared it disappeared

[2:46:00] Voice 7: yeah

[2:46:01] Voice 9: so okay yeah the work that

[2:46:03] Voice 9: the consultants are still doing work right now that they'll be invoicing for in terms of the

[2:46:08] Voice 9: summary of the survey the final report preparation and any analysis of the documents that I send them

[2:46:14] Voice 9: after today's meeting to include in their final report but

[2:46:18] Voice 7: it was also to

[2:46:19] Voice 7: have a community

[2:46:21] Voice 7: information meeting because it's not so that's not

[2:46:23] Voice 9: going to happen right that won't be invoiced for

[2:46:25] Voice 9: that's right because there should be some savings

[2:46:28] Voice 7: budgeted that

[2:46:29] Voice 9: but you don't get that no

[2:46:30] Voice 7: no no i

[2:46:31] Voice 7: know i didn't say that does it go into general revenue

[2:46:34] Voice 9: um any surplus just

[2:46:37] Voice 9: yeah i'm not quite

[2:46:38] Voice 9: sure how that

[2:46:38] Voice 7: part works but you

[2:46:39] Voice 9: don't get access to it as an lcc not until we ask

[2:46:42] Voice 9: for it okay

[2:46:45] Voice 9: that's all right thank you right okay

[2:46:50] Trustee Maude: so we're finished with with that

[2:46:52] Voice 9: that's all the direction

[2:46:53] Voice 9: i needed on that particular piece all

[2:46:56] Trustee Maude: right thank you very much so we'll move on to correspondence

[2:46:59] so we have three emails here um i guess we'll deal with one

[2:47:05] Trustee Maude: at a time there's one from school

[2:47:07] Trustee Maude: the poll i believe regarding the flagstone article is there any discussion just for context

[2:47:17] Voice 7: uh harley normal was a trustee many many years ago so without your input and thank you for that

[2:47:24] Voice 7: correspondence all right so second one is an email regarding 3060 lake road

[2:47:33] Trustee Maude: a lot mine adjustment so left seems to have a little bit more meat on the on the bone so

[2:47:42] Trustee Maude: just a grand i'd

[2:47:44] Voice 7: like to spend a little bit of time discussing this this from a late person's

[2:47:48] Voice 7: perspective this is a simple logline adjustment and i can appreciate that from the province's

[2:47:52] Voice 9: perspective this is considered a subdivision that triggers all the requirements of a subdivision but

[2:47:57] Voice 9: But in practical terms, it doesn't make any sense to me.

[2:48:00] Voice 9: So can the planner

[2:48:03] Voice 9: explain to me why

[2:48:06] Voice 9: we can't deal with a simple watt-length adjustment, which

[2:48:10] Voice 9: results in two perfectly legal watts continuing whatever

[2:48:14] Voice 7: they're doing because they were doing the same thing.

[2:48:17] Voice 7: They're not changing the use.

[2:48:19] Voice 7: And instead of triggering an entire subdivision

[2:48:22] Voice 9: full,

[2:48:25] Voice 9: got to have this, got to have that, I don't understand it.

[2:48:28] Voice 9: don't please help me understand

[2:48:29] Voice 7: why we're doing this

[2:48:31] Voice 9: we're

[2:48:32] Voice 7: not doing it no no i know you're not

[2:48:34] Voice 7: doing it and i'm sorry to

[2:48:35] Voice 9: direct my questions to staff but there's nobody from the highways

[2:48:39] Voice 9: industry transportation infrastructure yeah

[2:48:42] Trustee Maude: so just wait wait a minute tell me just to add to

[2:48:46] Trustee Maude: this quickly there's

[2:48:47] Voice 7: the language okay there's the ministry of transportation in this case has

[2:48:52] has

[2:48:52] Voice 7: no requirements whatsoever except the dotted line on a future plan they the only if it had been

[2:49:01] Voice 7: just up to the ministry of transportation this would have been done last year because they had

[2:49:10] Voice 7: no requirements for subdivision or water or anything at all so what you say is correct then

[2:49:17] Voice 7: the requirement for

[2:49:19] Voice 9: us to go through the subdivision trust facility so you have

[2:49:24] Voice 9: a land use bylaw that stipulates what the requirements are at the time of some division

[2:49:30] Voice 9: planners are translators all we are able to do is go through the list of requirements for

[2:49:38] Voice 9: subdivision and advise the ministry of transportation that there's no exceptions

[2:49:43] Voice 9: for these types of situations they're the same requirements as any other subdivision so a landing

[2:49:50] Voice 9: spot won't have to be crafted with specific forward thinking around the types of scenarios

[2:49:56] Voice 9: where you wouldn't want to apply those subdivision requirements at the time of subdivision so things

[2:50:03] Voice 9: like boundary adjustments consolidations where people want to dissolve the line and just

[2:50:09] Voice 9: consolidate too long yeah i think

[2:50:12] Voice 7: we covered that one so maybe that got

[2:50:14] Voice 9: covered that's not

[2:50:15] Voice 9: this particular case so bylaws are what they are they're drafted at the time with a certain set

[2:50:20] Voice 9: of criteria in mind they're living in terms of you have the ability to improve them but

[2:50:26] Voice 9: at the current state there is no exception in

[2:50:30] Trustee Maude: this situation though is there an opportunity

[2:50:32] Trustee Maude: for a barracks to be applied for because is there anything administrative that we can do within our

[2:50:38] Trustee Maude: our framework to adjust to work with this situation yeah

[2:50:43] Voice 9: so i i'm not the planner assigned

[2:50:45] Voice 9: to this file and we can definitely pull i think it's um steven karl the planner yes it is okay

[2:50:56] Voice 4: in

[2:50:57] Voice 9: terms of what their advice has been to date around alternatives sometimes you can vary

[2:51:03] Voice 9: provisions of the landing style if it doesn't affect use your density um so that might have

[2:51:09] Voice 9: been discussed i'm not sure so could we ask for a staff report for the next meeting

[2:51:15] Trustee Maude: as to potential

[2:51:17] Trustee Maude: options um

[2:51:20] Voice 9: i don't know if you need a staff report necessarily because if the options exist

[2:51:24] Voice 9: then we just advise the applicant of the options and then the applicant

[2:51:28] Voice 9: decides how they want to

[2:51:29] Voice 9: proceed we're a referral agency so we can just highlight raising issues here's the options so

[2:51:36] Voice 9: if that hasn't been done yet then that step can happen without any ltc involvement okay because

[2:51:43] Trustee Maude: it just it seems to me that if it's just ltc's regulations that are requiring this

[2:51:50] that there should somewhere be some wiggle room

[2:51:53] Trustee Maude: if we need to give a variance or give instruction

[2:51:58] Trustee Maude: to staff

[2:51:58] Voice 9: for the chair. I don't know if the applicant has been given any options at this

[2:52:13] point. No,

[2:52:15] Trustee Borthwick: you haven't been given any options for ways to get past it. Just being that this

[2:52:19] Trustee Borthwick: must happen

[2:52:19] Voice 7: yes can i can i make one more comment the subdivision definition in the subdivision

[2:52:29] Voice 7: regulation says the creation of two or more new blocks i am not creating any new blocks

[2:52:38] Voice 7: so it doesn't even fall into the definition of subdivision in the subdivision regulation

[2:52:45] Voice 9: So it sounds like we need a review of our land use by law with respect to salvage, to

[2:52:52] Voice 9: capture exceptions like this so that they don't waste the port glider's time, they don't

[2:52:58] Voice 9: drive the applicant crazy, and we as a local trust committee can provide an easier way

[2:53:05] Voice 9: for people to do simple things on this island.

[2:53:07] Voice 9: Now, it's an administrative file, isn't it?

[2:53:12] Voice 9: No.

[2:53:13] Voice 9: Okay, so it's

[2:53:14] Voice 9: going to be.

[2:53:15] Voice 9: andy okay so

[2:53:17] Voice 7: a simple amendment change is considered a minor project and we can't

[2:53:21] Voice 7: start a minor project right now so what how do we do this come on

[2:53:26] Voice 9: so i think yes

[2:53:29] Voice 9: but uh in this case having you know not aware that uh maybe this was on the agenda either

[2:53:35] Voice 9: for a discussion with the otherwise but either way we can we can go back to staff and look at

[2:53:42] Voice 9: what if any technical alternatives exist to the current situation advise the applicant

[2:53:47] Voice 9: they choose if there is an option which way they want to proceed um and then you'll either see it

[2:53:52] Voice 9: as part of an application log in the future that you may or may not be considering um and we'll

[2:53:57] Voice 9: take it from there so yeah we when we do

[2:54:00] Voice 9: some division referrals we're literally advising

[2:54:02] Voice 9: people of the state of the violence and if there's a concern with how that referral response

[2:54:08] Voice 9: in terms of possible misinterpretation

[2:54:11] Voice 9: or incorrect information,

[2:54:13] Voice 9: then for sure we're gonna revisit that.

[2:54:15] Voice 9: This is flagged in enough that we can take a look

[2:54:17] Voice 9: and determine what other options might exist

[2:54:21] Voice 9: and we'll work directly with the applicant on that.

[2:54:24] Voice 9: Yeah,

[2:54:25] Trustee Maude: there seems to be

[2:54:27] Trustee Maude: that there should be some common sense somewhere.

[2:54:29] Trustee Maude: Yeah, it

[2:54:30] Trustee Maude: seems wild that

[2:54:33] Trustee Borthwick: there's no mechanism

[2:54:34] Trustee Borthwick: for us to help

[2:54:37] Trustee Borthwick: more effectively.

[2:54:39] Trustee Maude: Thank you, sir. We've heard

[2:54:41] Trustee Maude: you will be communicating

[2:54:44] Trustee Maude: and hopefully you'll be happy.

[2:54:47] Trustee Maude: Sooner or later.

[2:54:48] Trustee Maude: It is a goal. Thank you.

[2:54:50] Trustee Maude: Thank you very much. Okay.

[2:54:52] And then the last one is

[2:54:54] from Mr. Silva

[2:54:55] in the housing emergency

[2:54:58] who had the delegation.

[2:55:01] So any

[2:55:02] discussion beyond that?

[2:55:04] Okay. So

[2:55:06] thank you all right thank you very much um so we move on to violent person update and we

[2:55:12] we seem to be absent about enforcement officer which is

[2:55:17] Trustee Maude: like okay because

[2:55:18] Voice 9: we're a little early

[2:55:19] Voice 9: in the agenda yes i can check um

[2:55:22] Trustee Maude: yeah because either we will while let's oh yeah because

[2:55:28] Trustee Maude: actually we're coming to a close here so probably no matter what it's probably too late so they

[2:55:37] Trustee Maude: no they actually you know we can pop forward sam you wanted you had a potential yes so we can deal

[2:55:45] Trustee Maude: with that in advance

[2:55:46] Voice 9: yeah

[2:55:50] Trustee Maude: uh that and

[2:55:51] Voice 9: i have another

[2:55:51] Voice 11: proposed and i so i ran

[2:55:57] Trustee Borthwick: this by i'll

[2:56:00] Trustee Borthwick: read i'll read this in a minute but i ran this by warren um as

[2:56:04] Trustee Borthwick: well and he suggested that possibly

[2:56:10] I

[2:56:11] Trustee Borthwick: think from what I think from what I well I'll read it to you and then we can talk.

[2:56:19] Trustee Borthwick: So I move the staff bring forward amendments to bylaw 18 section 1.3.7 or

[2:56:30] Voice 11: that I changed the wording.

[2:56:40] Voice 9: okay

[2:56:48] Voice 9: so

[2:56:49] Trustee Maude: uh thank

[2:56:54] Voice 9: you for striking an abc um is it specifically to deal with the housing review or

[2:57:00] Voice 9: is it to deal with housing on denman it sounded like your language was for how only the housing

[2:57:08] Voice 7: just well the housing review is because there

[2:57:12] Voice 9: may be things like the density bank or other

[2:57:14] Voice 9: things that aren't in the scope of the housing review that could be in the scope of the apc

[2:57:19] Voice 9: if it's not bound by the scope of the housing constitution so

[2:57:25] Voice 7: if i may share so the project

[2:57:29] Voice 7: charter in the in scope that i was referring to is complete it's finished so

[2:57:35] Voice 9: you'll actually have a

[2:57:36] Voice 9: a new project charter scope based on the information that is

[2:57:42] Voice 9: presented from the housing review. And anything that is

[2:57:47] Voice 9: suggested by an ABCs specifically tasked with looking

[2:57:52] Voice 9: at

[2:57:52] Voice 9: but the language in the minutes that tells you specifically

[2:57:56] Voice 9: housing review

[2:58:06] I mean, I suppose I could speak to request that staff prepare to the LTC regarding adding

[2:58:30] language to enshrine the human right to housing to,

[2:58:37] Voice 11: in the Denman, I guess it's OCP would be the

[2:58:45] Voice 11: most appropriate place. What would be the most appropriate place for that, sorry?

[2:58:51] Voice 9: Sorry, I'm guessing that this is the declaration that you want the local trust to make?

[2:58:55] Voice 9: I,

[2:58:55] Trustee Borthwick: yeah, I would like, I would like that, I mean, if we've got the UN, we've got the

[2:59:00] Trustee Borthwick: the the government of canada the provincial government are all

[2:59:05] officially enshrining the human rights housing in their um directive statements i would like to see

[2:59:12] that happen to the dev and ltc i understand that it's not currently part of the island's trust

[2:59:17] overall mandate but i'd be interested to see that language reflected somewhere and i don't know what

[2:59:21] the best language is for that so yeah standing resolution is sometimes a powerful tool for the

[2:59:27] local trust committee to have a resolution that applies until it does it's always in effect

[2:59:35] it's something that's on every

[2:59:36] Voice 9: agenda as well it shows up the standing resolution is a constant

[2:59:40] Voice 9: reminder on every agenda to black staff to your public to yourself that this is an effect

[2:59:46] Trustee Borthwick: okay so then i would be proposing a standard resolution this is my understanding of the

[2:59:50] Trustee Borthwick: language i would use there that's the

[2:59:51] Voice 9: closest tool you have because you can't simply attend

[2:59:55] Voice 11: Sure, yeah,

[2:59:56] Voice 9: there's no other.

[3:00:00] Voice 9: mechanism to do that

[3:00:01] Voice 9: at the local government level

[3:00:04] Voice 9: other than that.

[3:00:06] Voice 9: Well,

[3:00:06] Voice 11: Warren's here, so

[3:00:08] Voice 11: let's make a move through that and we'll

[3:00:09] Voice 11: talk further.

[3:00:11] Voice 11: Alright, so we'll go back

[3:00:15] to Mr. Dingham and his report.

[3:00:25] Good afternoon, Chair.

[3:00:28] Voice 10: So the previous

[3:00:29] Voice 10: LDC had requested that

[3:00:31] Voice 10: the report go

[3:00:33] Voice 10: to the new trustees, so

[3:00:35] Voice 10: So that's why this was prepared, and it gives you the basic information on the total number

[3:00:42] Voice 10: of files that are currently

[3:00:43] Voice 11: open, and for what we do.

[3:01:02] Voice 10: So it gives you the total number of files that are currently open, new files open since

[3:01:08] Voice 10: 2021.

[3:01:10] There have been some complaints received about those currently open files, but no complaints

[3:01:16] complaints that are resulting in new investigations.

[3:01:21] So you have six files open for short vacation rentals,

[3:01:24] Voice 10: five for multiple dwellings,

[3:01:25] Voice 10: four for multiple permit areas, three for sighting,

[3:01:28] Voice 10: one for non-enclosed vehicle,

[3:01:30] Voice 10: and one for non-permitted land use.

[3:01:32] Voice 10: And so for those files,

[3:01:33] Voice 10: there were a total of nine violation notices issued,

[3:01:37] Voice 10: and the primary for sighting contravention

[3:01:39] Voice 10: and no sighting use permit,

[3:01:41] and with one or two for deductible waste.

[3:01:46] Voice 10: 3Ds still need to be reviewed by a screening officer, and if they're not valid, they'll

[3:01:49] Voice 10: go to, and there's no compliance agreements possible, they'll go to an adjudication.

[3:01:55] Voice 10: And all the others have been resolved mostly by compliance agreements.

[3:02:01] Voice 9: Any questions, trustees?

[3:02:04] Voice 4: I

[3:02:04] Voice 9: don't have a question regarding the report.

[3:02:06] Voice 9: I do have a general question on violent enforcement that you may or may not be able to answer,

[3:02:10] Voice 9: but I'd like to ask it anyway.

[3:02:11] Voice 9: Anyway, in the training to become a violent enforcement,

[3:02:16] Voice 9: do you ever get involved with

[3:02:18] Voice 7: trauma-informed approach training?

[3:02:20] Voice 7: The reason I ask, are you familiar with that training?

[3:02:23] Voice 7: I don't know.

[3:02:24] Voice 7: Okay, so the reason I

[3:02:26] Voice 7: ask is it's brought to our attention

[3:02:27] Voice 7: and it seems a pretty serious idea that

[3:02:31] Voice 9: a lot of folks

[3:02:31] Voice 9: that are living illegally sometimes find themselves in a position

[3:02:36] Voice 9: where they are

[3:02:37] Voice 7: triggered by uniform or an authority figure

[3:02:42] Voice 7: figure, and that can just be an added thing that they're dealing with in their lives.

[3:02:48] Voice 7: And it seems to me it would be a really good thing for our law enforcement officers to

[3:02:52] Voice 7: have some trauma-informed approach training so that they are cognizant and aware of that

[3:02:58] Voice 7: particular potential situation.

[3:03:01] Voice 7: So I just plant that.

[3:03:03] Voice 7: I know the Trust Council is probably looking at law enforcement, and I'll be putting that

[3:03:07] Voice 7: forward as a suggestion, whether it's picked up or not.

[3:03:10] Voice 7: it um and the second thing i'd like to suggest is that at the moment if you get a complaint

[3:03:19] Voice 7: regarding unlawful uh housing at the moment your work the demo electricity is asking you not

[3:03:26] Voice 7: to proceed with enforcement right but is it not also true that uh you uh and part of your

[3:03:33] Voice 7: practice you would want to gather information on that on that complaint correct

[3:03:41] Voice 10: we need to

[3:03:42] Voice 10: we need to investigate the complaint determine whether or not there's an actual contribution

[3:03:45] Voice 10: to the first place but

[3:03:47] Voice 7: if you're being asked by the government local trust committee to not

[3:03:52] Voice 7: enforce infractions why would you not just ignore it i mean in a way that's what the

[3:03:59] Voice 7: devon local trustee is asking by enforcement to ignore complaints regarding a lawful um occupation

[3:04:07] Voice 10: so i wouldn't that wouldn't be my interpretation of it the actual opening of a file to determine

[3:04:13] Voice 10: whether or not there's a contravention isn't it enforcement it might be it's just we notify the

[3:04:19] Voice 10: property owner by letter yeah we have this complaint yeah if it turns out that there's

[3:04:25] Voice 10: no contravention then we can simply close the file i mean we're not going to get uh there's

[3:04:31] a trust council

[3:04:31] Voice 10: policy in place that states if we receive a written complaint we're to open a file

[3:04:36] Voice 10: and we're to investigate that

[3:04:38] Voice 7: despite a local trust committee standing resolution of saying

[3:04:43] Voice 7: do not enforce correct because

[3:04:46] Voice 10: we're not going to enforce we're going to investigate we're going to

[3:04:49] Voice 10: gather the information ultimately we're gathering the information for this local trust committee

[3:04:54] Voice 10: and at some point we do discover something that okay this is uh there is some problem with the

[3:05:00] Voice 10: septic or whatever okay you've got x number of units on the property they're not disposing of

[3:05:06] Voice 10: the septic in a uh a lawful manner or awful septic system we need to come back to trust committee and

[3:05:13] Voice 10: say okay you have deferred enforcement here's a staff report saying we actually need to take

[3:05:19] Voice 10: action against these unlawful units yeah so in order for iraq to do our job we actually need

[3:05:25] Voice 10: to investigate and ensure we know what's going on on that property just to protect the local

[3:05:31] Voice 10: trust committee's interests we're not uh we're not i mean there's some things that need to be

[3:05:37] Voice 10: cleared up about this whole issue here and then i mean we don't wear uniforms no no i

[3:05:41] Voice 7: would appreciate that and i didn't say uniform or someone in authority sure um so uh we're not

[3:05:49] Voice 10: wearing uniforms uh we can't uh honest trust can't evict anybody honest trust cannot

[3:05:56] Voice 10: uh as

[3:05:58] Voice 10: an

[3:05:58] Planner McCargar: organization where you're not

[3:06:00] Voice 10: landlords by law officers are not landlords they can't evict

[3:06:03] Voice 10: anybody so no one is trying to we can't no one's trying to evict anyone yeah and um as soon as

[3:06:11] Voice 10: covid hit three years ago i mean it's almost three years to that date that it hit uh the policy that

[3:06:19] Voice 10: was established to say okay covid's happened and the province is saying ensure that housing is

[3:06:26] Voice 10: secure people can't be evicted the file officer working for denman said we need to adopt the

[3:06:31] Voice 10: trust-wide policy saying that no one you know we shouldn't be doing anything that would risk

[3:06:37] Voice 10: anyone being evicted right they said agree 100 so from that point on march or april on from 2020

[3:06:45] Voice 10: that was the policy and then since then it's developed into multiple local trust committees

[3:06:51] Voice 10: developing their own policies saying yep we're going to defer enforcement for these different

[3:06:56] Voice 10: reasons so there's certain training that we go through we can go through i don't know if givc

[3:07:02] Voice 10: offers that training we can certainly look at it and it may have to be a requisition for more

[3:07:07] Voice 10: training dollars to to add that

[3:07:09] Voice 7: but um most of the people who are vulnerable are tenants

[3:07:16] and

[3:07:17] Voice 10: we just don't deal with tenants we deal with property owners so the inter any interaction with

[3:07:22] Voice 10: the tenant is actually rare in fact the tenants call us to complain about their landlords and we

[3:07:29] Voice 10: can't help them we have to direct them to residential tenants because many of them are

[3:07:34] Voice 10: living in deplorable conditions and the landlords are taking advantage of them so they will be

[3:07:40] Voice 10: tenants who complain about you need to stop this landlord from renting out all these travel traders

[3:07:46] Voice 10: because they're unfit for human habitation they say i have no choice but not gotta leave

[3:07:52] Voice 10: but no one else should be living here so that's an issue that isn't discussed here

[3:07:55] Voice 10: as far as the tenants that we talk to and that's who we're really talking to the enforcement issue

[3:08:01] Voice 10: never involves the tenant it's always with the landlord and use of land that's not true

[3:08:07] Voice 10: and i

[3:08:08] Voice 9: appreciate the

[3:08:13] Voice 7: work that you do is very difficult and i thank you for what you're doing

[3:08:18] Voice 7: and you cleared that up for me, thank you.

[3:08:21] Voice 7: I would add that even if you're,

[3:08:25] Trustee Borthwick: regardless of whether there's a direct conversation

[3:08:29] Trustee Borthwick: being had with tenants or any of that sort of stuff,

[3:08:33] pressure and pressure that's put on landlords

[3:08:38] definitely affects tenants.

[3:08:39] That stuff does flow downhill from that perspective.

[3:08:43] So a tenant or a landlord receiving pressure

[3:08:45] or enforcement or whatever,

[3:08:47] even if it's not being enforced upon um does um create a hostile environment for anyone who

[3:08:53] Trustee Borthwick: runs from so i think to say that that uh the actions of enforcement don't um affects tenants

[3:09:03] Trustee Borthwick: you know it's not directly and i don't think that that's what you were saying but i think it is

[3:09:06] Trustee Borthwick: important to recognize that that actually those those things do affect tenants

[3:09:11] Voice 11: um i think that's

[3:09:14] Voice 11: an important distinction anything

[3:09:20] Voice 4: further oh it doesn't

[3:09:26] Voice 7: sound like them is it a hugely uh

[3:09:28] Voice 7: and so

[3:09:37] Voice 10: there's a lot of work that could be done that's probably closed and well there's

[3:09:44] Voice 10: one file that you know after today i'll probably close and there's probably a couple more and

[3:09:49] Voice 10: there's like a problem to be closed we should have between 10 and 15 and that's probably about it

[3:10:01] Trustee Borthwick: yeah well and so i spoke with you over email and you recommended a standing resolution might be

[3:10:06] Trustee Borthwick: a better venue for for the motion that i proposed um so i don't uh the the language that i had

[3:10:13] Trustee Borthwick: had which I also spoke to Sonia about was an amendment to my law 18 but if a standing

[3:10:24] Trustee Borthwick: resolution is a better way it is I don't know if you still have that that file that I sent you but

[3:10:30] Trustee Borthwick: I don't know if there's a better better way for me to frame this in short my I wanted to

[3:10:40] Trustee Borthwick: uh stipulate within our enforcement policies that there is a there's a formal 24 hours notice

[3:10:48] Trustee Borthwick: i know that that's been it's been suggested that that's captured in spirit but i think it is would

[3:10:55] Trustee Borthwick: be valuable to have that written uh somewhere do

[3:11:00] Voice 9: you want me to bring it up on this week

[3:11:01] Voice 9: sure yeah

[3:11:03] Trustee Borthwick: absolutely yeah yeah this and i don't know if this is the best way to frame this at

[3:11:08] Trustee Borthwick: this

[3:11:09] Voice 11: point i'm still learning the processes

[3:11:22] Trustee Maude: so rather than it would be able to pass uh 18 it would be that there'd be a standing

[3:11:31] Trustee Maude: uh yeah

[3:11:32] Trustee Borthwick: that's well that's i guess my question yeah yeah

[3:11:36] Voice 11: yeah yeah

[3:11:51] Voice 10: this is this is this would be immediate through the chair this would be an immediate okay you

[3:11:56] Voice 10: want us to absolutely give a 24 hours notice because there's no time limit specified between

[3:12:02] Voice 10: charter yeah it's getting reasonable notice yeah so as i said in my email i believe the

[3:12:06] Voice 10: notification letter that we send everyone and that's been we've been doing that since 2014

[3:12:11] Voice 10: team that is reasonable notice and i think we think we can make that letter better so that

[3:12:18] Voice 10: everyone because 99 of the time it's all pre-arranged and cooperative and we go and do our

[3:12:26] Voice 10: site visits there's very few properties where you know we're not able to arrange those cooperative

[3:12:33] Voice 10: for site visits?

[3:12:34] Voice 10: Yes,

[3:12:35] Trustee Borthwick: so one of the parts that was part of that amendment

[3:12:41] Trustee Borthwick: that I had suggested was, is not,

[3:12:44] Trustee Borthwick: and I appreciate that you don't necessarily communicate

[3:12:46] with, you're

[3:12:48] Trustee Borthwick: not explicitly communicating with tenants,

[3:12:51] Trustee Borthwick: but in the language there, I do specify

[3:12:54] Trustee Borthwick: that we'd have to supply the landowner an end document

[3:12:57] Trustee Borthwick: with no less than 24 hours notice.

[3:12:59] Trustee Borthwick: So regardless of whether there's been a conversation

[3:13:03] Trustee Borthwick: with a landlord i think that an occupant also has a right to expect that

[3:13:08] Voice 10: that visit so the only

[3:13:11] Voice 10: through the chair the it's going to be difficult to identify all occupants

[3:13:16] Voice 10: to a property in fact it may be impossible yeah it's and if if we can't do it by mail or by

[3:13:24] Voice 10: telephone if you're going to require us that we notify the occupant we're still going to have to

[3:13:29] Voice 10: go to the property and knock on the door to get the occupant's information which some people will

[3:13:35] Voice 10: find more intrusive so you're dealing

[3:13:41] Trustee Maude: with a landlord it could could the could your communication

[3:13:47] Trustee Maude: with the landlord not require that they give the occupant notice sure

[3:13:54] Voice 10: absolutely we try that

[3:13:56] Voice 10: there's a number of different approaches we can use we'll have to inquire if there are any

[3:14:01] Voice 10: occupants identify them and get the property owner to do that or the landlord and if they

[3:14:07] Voice 10: can't provide it or won't provide it we'll have to go in and i'm actually you know speaking

[3:14:14] Voice 10: i don't see why it's required to say occupants i mean we can try and do it but some are going to be

[3:14:21] Voice 10: needlessly disturbed because we're only actually dealing with the property owner and we only

[3:14:26] kneel need to deal with the property i i think that like if i recall the correspondence it was

[3:14:32] more like if you're a tenant and your landlord wants to to

[3:14:37] Trustee Maude: inspect your property they have to

[3:14:40] Trustee Maude: legally give you 24 hours notice right and so it's sort of extending that concept out to

[3:14:46] Trustee Maude: violent enforcement saying well if the if the landlord has an issue and it requires you to to

[3:14:57] Trustee Maude: involve a tenant that there needs to be 24 hours notice given through the landlord whatever but

[3:15:03] basically somehow getting them into the loop and getting

[3:15:06] Trustee Maude: them informed of what's going on

[3:15:08] so i think the

[3:15:09] Trustee Maude: word is broad enough to give you various methods of interpretation as to how the

[3:15:15] Trustee Maude: kind of gets important yes but

[3:15:19] Voice 10: so but if you have deferred enforcement on denman as you do with

[3:15:22] Voice 10: other uh we're not uh we only need to talk to the property owner we don't we don't need to go into

[3:15:30] Voice 10: dwellings at all um the reason why you have to be 24 hour notice to look at is because for private

[3:15:38] Voice 10: dwellings it's because you want to inspect inside that dwelling and we're almost never doing that

[3:15:44] Voice 10: there's no reason for us to do that so but we can we can make steps to

[3:15:49] Voice 10: certainly try and ensure that

[3:15:51] Voice 10: all occupants are notified but the first step we have will be from the property owner

[3:15:56] Trustee Borthwick: so i mean i

[3:15:58] Trustee Borthwick: think there's an interesting sort of nuanced product there which potentially is interesting

[3:16:02] Trustee Borthwick: and i think sort of mentioned that the we could uh if we put this into the process like

[3:16:08] So by law enforcement, as you say, your relationship has to be with the property owner or the landowner, right?

[3:16:14] I understand that.

[3:16:17] But,

[3:16:19] Trustee Borthwick: and I don't know if adding language, we can't really force landowners to do this.

[3:16:24] Trustee Borthwick: We can.

[3:16:26] Trustee Borthwick: I don't know.

[3:16:26] But to, I wonder if there is a way to stipulate that landowners have a duty, or the property owner has a duty to inform their tenants.

[3:16:37] because then it's not uh and then it's not tenants then uh

[3:16:41] Trustee Borthwick: lenders don't have to identify

[3:16:43] Trustee Borthwick: their tenants don't have to do that sort of stuff but they do have a duty to inform those tenants

[3:16:47] Trustee Borthwick: that bylaw enforcement is coming through um that to me seems like it would be a way to protect

[3:16:53] Trustee Borthwick: tenants that feel vulnerable in their housing and it also means that bylaw enforcement doesn't have

[3:16:57] Trustee Borthwick: to directly speak to those tenants which is a difficult process to identify them but putting

[3:17:03] Trustee Borthwick: the onus on a landowner to to supply notice to a tenant to me seems like a way to satisfy that

[3:17:08] Trustee Borthwick: that notice um without putting undue burdens on a violent enforcement so

[3:17:13] Voice 10: i'd say through the chair

[3:17:14] Voice 10: that i'm stressed can't do that we can't we're not landlords and we cannot compel landlords to do

[3:17:22] Voice 10: anything and there's a legal opinion that the previous lbc got received that i believe made

[3:17:30] Voice 10: that clear that we're not landlords and we cannot we cannot compel a landlord to evict somebody

[3:17:38] Voice 10: or do anything with their channel of course it's

[3:17:41] Trustee Borthwick: just not something we have yeah i i

[3:17:43] Trustee Borthwick: appreciate

[3:17:44] Trustee Borthwick: that i'm

[3:17:44] Voice 9: the chair if i may um there may also be legislation through the tendency

[3:17:49] Voice 9: where properties have the obligation to talk to their tenants for certain so

[3:17:56] Voice 9: so

[3:17:57] Voice 4: that's where

[3:17:58] Trustee Maude: i was going to get this because

[3:17:59] Trustee Maude: if the landlord has to give 24 hours notice for

[3:18:06] Trustee Maude: access how broad is the need of access is that if it's for bylaw enforcement i think that 24

[3:18:14] hours still kicks in so it basically so

[3:18:17] Trustee Maude: basically it's sort of a second communication issue where

[3:18:19] Trustee Maude: you're saying that the landlord we would like you to give 24 hours notice as for the land

[3:18:26] Trustee Maude: tennessee act something like that thank you this is all everybody's sort of trying to get along

[3:18:33] Trustee Maude: i guess it might be it might not be

[3:18:35] Voice 9: it's already covered the the responsibility for the well

[3:18:41] Voice 9: so

[3:18:42] Trustee Maude: first basically we just keep sort of informing saying look we need to give that notice yeah

[3:18:49] Trustee Maude: so so we can give a

[3:18:51] Voice 10: 24 hours notice but we can't use the residential tenancy act to say you must

[3:18:55] Voice 10: give your tenant notice we can't do that that's what the legal opinion made clear okay we can't

[3:19:03] Voice 10: use that act to give direction to a landlord at all so we can give the notice and we can try and

[3:19:09] Voice 10: begin to get the notice to the occupant and maybe as sensitive as possible within these unlawful

[3:19:16] Voice 10: growing issues but we have to be very careful about trying to say under other acts that okay

[3:19:22] Voice 10: okay, landlord or property owner, you must do this.

[3:19:24] Voice 10: We just don't have that authority.

[3:19:27] Voice 10: I

[3:19:33] Voice 4: mean, it seems like this

[3:19:35] Trustee Borthwick: doesn't particularly hold up like this.

[3:19:41] Trustee Borthwick: There's nothing to add here that is going to make a difference.

[3:19:44] Voice 11: And that seems to be my reading on this.

[3:19:49] Voice 7: So, Mayor, so then it sounds like our only course of action is to,

[3:19:54] Voice 7: to can we, in fact, stop the gathering information and communication

[3:20:02] Voice 7: regarding a file, a complaint, and then you're saying,

[3:20:08] Voice 7: well, Devin doesn't want us, A, to enforce, or B, to investigate.

[3:20:15] Voice 10: I think, Chair, you need advice from the CAO.

[3:20:20] Voice 10: You need legal advice.

[3:20:22] Voice 10: I don't.

[3:20:23] Voice 10: i don't there's trust council policy that sets down what wildlife enforcement will do so if we

[3:20:29] Voice 10: get a complaint we'll open the file and investigate of course if there is a contravention around

[3:20:34] Voice 10: unlawful dwelling discovered or determined then we're not going to proceed any further and we

[3:20:42] Voice 10: would tell the landlord that so there's no i have no issue i don't see any issues with saying okay

[3:20:47] Voice 10: give everyone 24-hour notice including the occupant but um again we can't actually there's

[3:20:54] Voice 10: we can't take steps to pressure the landlord or make the landlord do that yeah we'll do our best

[3:21:01] Voice 10: make sure that occupants are notified uh but you know there's actually there's no need to go to the

[3:21:09] Voice 10: occupant to the tenants dwelling in really in these cases but how else would you determine

[3:21:17] Voice 7: from

[3:21:17] Voice 10: the landowner everything we're going to do that we normally do is done through the landlord

[3:21:23] Voice 10: if there's some issue with septic or whatever we're going to go with the landowner

[3:21:27] Voice 10: and say okay where's the septic system right and what's going on with these other buildings you

[3:21:34] Voice 10: know how many do you have a number of unlawful dwellings or not right all of the contact is

[3:21:39] Voice 10: through the property it's like i can't actually think of an investigation i've done where i've

[3:21:44] Voice 10: actually come in contact with the tenant and interview them for what's going on in the

[3:21:50] Voice 10: property. The tenants that contact me that I've had contact with, they call me to complain about

[3:21:56] Voice 10: their housing. I

[3:21:57] Voice 7: agree with that. Anecdotally, we have heard that tenants in unlawful housing have

[3:22:02] Voice 7: had contact with law enforcement. It happens, regardless of whether this is a normal course

[3:22:08] Voice 7: of action, it happens. And my hope is that those interactions are extraordinary as opposed to

[3:22:17] Voice 7: right. And when they do happen, the enforcement officers had some training in trauma. I'm sorry,

[3:22:26] Voice 7: I lost the trauma training with people who are potentially triggered by people in an

[3:22:33] Voice 7: authority that's all it's these are really nuanced situations that all of us just need to take a

[3:22:42] Voice 7: softer approach so

[3:22:43] Voice 10: chair i would actually suggest that you get a full report

[3:22:45] Voice 10: i mean really we're talking about one specific file and the ltc should have a full link camera

[3:22:52] Voice 10: report of that file and then make your decisions based on the information on that what's in that

[3:22:59] Voice 10: that file because what's in that file there's going to be information that should inflict with

[3:23:05] Voice 10: the other error there's no other way to say it

[3:23:07] Voice 9: maybe we can have that in our next meeting

[3:23:08] Voice 9: yeah

[3:23:09] Voice 10: might be possible yes

[3:23:17] Voice 10: okay awesome perfect all right so we'll let

[3:23:20] Voice 7: things yeah yeah yeah okay do you need that

[3:23:23] Voice 7: by resolution to get a in-camera report from bio enforcement it's

[3:23:27] Voice 9: good to do that as a matter of

[3:23:28] Voice 9: court so there's a slide for your back so

[3:23:31] Voice 7: i will move that on the local trust community request

[3:23:34] Voice 7: in camera report would it be would it be you or your or your team or your office oh i i need it

[3:23:40] Voice 7: you have no officer okay

[3:23:42] Voice 9: from the end of the file of course the manager or the next trust

[3:23:48] Voice 9: do you need any specificity about what you're bringing i don't just

[3:23:55] Voice 9: uh

[3:23:56] Voice 10: just an a-cam report on the unlawful clothing files for denver thank you okay perfect second

[3:24:03] okay

[3:24:04] Trustee Maude: trust

[3:24:11] Voice 9: me request an in-camera report on unlawful dwellings on denver island

[3:24:20] Voice 9: from the bottom enforcement manager for the next local trust committee meeting

[3:24:25] Voice 4: Perfect.

[3:24:26] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:24:27] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:24:27] Voice 4: All there?

[3:24:29] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:24:30] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:24:30] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:24:31] Voice 4: All right.

[3:24:33] Okay.

[3:24:33] Cool.

[3:24:34] Did you have another business or was that different?

[3:24:38] Well, I was talking about a standing resolution, which is a separate proposal, a standing resolution

[3:24:56] resolution to affirm and acknowledge the

[3:25:01] Voice 11: human right to housing within, I don't know what

[3:25:10] Voice 11: sort of body needs to capture it, but the

[3:25:13] Trustee Borthwick: Denman, yeah, a standing resolution to that

[3:25:18] Trustee Borthwick: the Denman Local Trust Council acknowledges and affirms the human right to housing.

[3:25:25] Trustee Borthwick: So

[3:25:25] Voice 9: United Nations declaration?

[3:25:28] Trustee Borthwick: Yeah, as per the United Nations declaration.

[3:25:30] Trustee Borthwick: I know that in language and there is a performative element to it, but I think it's important that's where we start from these things and that informs

[3:25:41] Voice 11: our choices later on.

[3:25:44] So

[3:25:48] Voice 9: would you like to give me a moment?

[3:25:49] Voice 11: Yeah, I'm

[3:25:50] Voice 11: sorry.

[3:25:52] Voice 9: No, no, that's fine.

[3:25:55] Trustee Borthwick: I have a hard time thinking sometimes without reading.

[3:25:58] Voice 7: Well, you should use your pen because you're a great writer.

[3:26:03] Voice 7: don't be afraid to take your time to craft this we've got time

[3:26:06] Trustee Borthwick: yeah if i if i take a minute to

[3:26:08] Trustee Borthwick: craft this i'm happy if we want to move on is it important to happen right now or can i take a

[3:26:13] Trustee Borthwick: second we

[3:26:14] Trustee Maude: can we can come come back yeah there's literally like the we're doing reports next

[3:26:18] Trustee Maude: exactly yeah yeah you right now we'll come back i

[3:26:22] Voice 9: don't have a question for you

[3:26:24] Trustee Maude: you have a question

[3:26:25] Trustee Maude: So

[3:26:25] Voice 9: the violent enforcement notification system, the creation of that and the modification of that, I believe that is an administrative file, correct?

[3:26:38] Voice 7: So if I were to discuss this for a while, because it's the only place we get to talk about this stuff, it's one of the three in this area, right now it applies to all violence across the country.

[3:26:49] Voice 7: and one of the problems that I personally have

[3:26:53] Voice 7: with a violent enforcement modification system

[3:26:55] Voice 7: or a ticketing one

[3:26:56] Voice 7: is that it's a punitive monetary instrument tool

[3:27:01] Voice 7: which obviously affects people

[3:27:03] Voice 7: with different economic stratus,

[3:27:06] Voice 7: totally different.

[3:27:07] Voice 7: If I'm a multimillionaire,

[3:27:09] Voice 7: if I'm triggering the violent enforcement

[3:27:14] Voice 7: modification system,

[3:27:16] Voice 7: I can pay those fines all day long

[3:27:19] Voice 7: by somebody that's

[3:27:20] Voice 9: at the edge of poverty that fine is hugely impactful so i really don't like

[3:27:27] Voice 9: this as a tool i really don't like this as a tool as a trustee when i was a trustee we didn't like

[3:27:32] Voice 9: it i said no we don't

[3:27:33] Voice 7: want that previous local trust committee said no we can do it so there's

[3:27:39] Voice 7: one violent enforcement act that i think would be appropriate and that would be short-term

[3:27:44] Voice 7: vacation rentals, which is a profit-generating bylaw enforcement, and it's not allowed.

[3:27:52] Voice 7: We don't allow short-term vacation rentals, and if you're engaged in

[3:27:55] Voice 9: short-term vacation

[3:27:56] Voice 9: rental, it's because you're making money.

[3:27:58] Voice 9: So it makes sense to find that person daily, if we can, to let them stop.

[3:28:03] Voice 9: All other bylaw infractions, I don't believe, should be triggered by a bylaw or a vacation

[3:28:09] Voice 9: enforcement.

[3:28:09] Voice 9: So

[3:28:10] Voice 7: I would like to amend the list of bylaws that are,

[3:28:14] Voice 7: that the bylaw enforcement notification systems apply to, to only short-term vacation bylaw infractions, period.

[3:28:23] Voice 7: Now, that's, we don't have to have the first, second, third, or even go to the community commission meeting and have a public hearing on that.

[3:28:30] Voice 7: I would just make that motion right now.

[3:28:33] Voice 9: And I don't know if I'd be, I don't know.

[3:28:36] Voice 9: I wouldn't even need any staff involvement.

[3:28:39] Voice 9: I would just take this upon myself and suffer the consequences.

[3:28:43] Voice 9: So all I'm asking from a planner perspective is what I'm describing even possibly.

[3:28:50] Voice 9: I would be able to go to a staff person and go.

[3:28:57] Voice 9: I thought we lost him.

[3:29:01] Voice 9: I called him back in. I'm like, this one's for you.

[3:29:05] Voice 9: So the discussion is the bylaw enforcement notification system.

[3:29:10] Voice 9: We call it the BAN. I don't know what you guys call it.

[3:29:12] Voice 9: It's a ticketing bylaw.

[3:29:13] Voice 9: And my personal problem with that

[3:29:16] Voice 9: is it's because it's a monetary fine,

[3:29:19] Voice 9: it affects people at the poverty level

[3:29:21] Voice 9: way more than somebody

[3:29:22] Voice 9: that just paid $1,400,000

[3:29:24] Voice 9: for this property .

[3:29:26] Voice 9: So it doesn't really have a fair hit.

[3:29:29] Voice 9: Someone that doesn't have any money, that fine,

[3:29:32] Voice 9: that's a really harsh penalty.

[3:29:34] Voice 9: Someone with a lot of

[3:29:35] Voice 7: money, they can

[3:29:36] Voice 9: pay that all day long.

[3:29:37] Voice 9: So having it apply to all bylaw infractions

[3:29:42] Voice 9: up and down. It

[3:29:43] Voice 9: doesn't seem reasonable to me. It does make sense from my perspective to use it

[3:29:48] Voice 9: in our enforcement

[3:29:50] Voice 7: policy on short-term vacation rentals because that's a violent enforcement

[3:29:53] Voice 7: which has profit as the motivation. The sole motivation of STDRs is to make money.

[3:30:00] Voice 7: So that is hitting that person in the pocketbook.

[3:30:02] Voice 7: So I would like your feedback on the use of that

[3:30:06] Voice 7: for all the other violent fractures

[3:30:08] Voice 7: that you have to deal with on a day-to-day basis.

[3:30:11] Voice 10: So, Mr. Chair, you must amend it anyway,

[3:30:16] Voice 10: because there was a Signing Use Permit By-law

[3:30:18] Voice 10: adopted last year,

[3:30:20] Voice 10: and they didn't put forward the amendments

[3:30:21] Voice 10: and new schedule in the Bend By-law.

[3:30:24] So right now you have no fine available

[3:30:26] for people who do not get their Signing Use Permit.

[3:30:30] so it has to be amended anyway other amendments are required uh to fix typos

[3:30:36] Voice 10: things like that

[3:30:38] Voice 10: you need to look at whether or not you want to find someone who refuses

[3:30:43] Voice 10: an inspection that added that that was missing um so you know that could apply to your stdr owner

[3:30:52] Voice 10: So you do have the ability to, yes, edit that schedule and determine what fines you want

[3:31:00] Voice 10: to, well, what you want to have fines for, or if you want to change the dollar amounts.

[3:31:08] Most of them range from $350 to $500.

[3:31:11] First of all, I would say on the ability to pay, again, we really are finding property

[3:31:17] property owners um who you know especially

[3:31:22] Voice 10: now have very valuable properties i would say

[3:31:25] Voice 10: the majority on these islands especially the latest increases in property

[3:31:32] a lot of people who actually i would say the majority have their means to pay fines if we're

[3:31:40] really encountering someone

[3:31:41] Voice 10: who can't who obviously can't i think a couple of gentlemen

[3:31:44] Voice 10: woman on other islands they're destitute we're not going to issue them a fine they don't have

[3:31:50] Voice 10: any money they're land rich cash poor and they're living somewhat they're really living on the

[3:31:58] Voice 10: assistance and charity of others because they just can't take care of themselves

[3:32:01] Voice 10: so we're not issuing those folks fines anyway but the only trust we could certainly say okay

[3:32:08] we're going to only issue fines for these type of conventions and you change the dollar amounts

[3:32:15] you know just want to give someone a hundred dollar fine maybe you might find that appropriate

[3:32:20] or 50 fine for certain issues but for the most part property owners have the ability to pay

[3:32:29] and that's i think most of them do have the ability to

[3:32:32] Voice 10: pay but it's certainly within your

[3:32:34] Voice 10: authority you need to amend it anyway because you have to have the new schedule for the latest uh

[3:32:46] so having that bylaw brought back for consideration of amendment so

[3:32:52] Voice 7: is that not not for me not for you

[3:32:54] no i've already started that as we're prepping um there were some fears trying to get on this

[3:33:01] Voice 10: meeting not so but one of the future meetings maybe for april we can have it ready and you

[3:33:06] Voice 10: can consider you know to start to consider what changes you want do you want to lessen

[3:33:11] the number of

[3:33:12] Voice 7: conventions less than five months so if you could bring that back i'm not going to

[3:33:18] Voice 7: make a resolution because you're already going to do that yes that already has to be done

[3:33:22] Voice 7: We're already working on it.

[3:33:23] Voice 7: Cool. Thank you.

[3:33:26] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[3:33:29] Hopefully you'll finish

[3:33:30] your lunch before we keep going

[3:33:33] and call you back again.

[3:33:35] Okay, so

[3:33:36] we're done.

[3:33:39] Have you composed?

[3:33:41] I think I'm as

[3:33:42] Trustee Borthwick: composed as I'm going to get.

[3:33:44] Trustee Borthwick: All right, then we will launch our competition.

[3:33:49] Trustee Borthwick: That's not going to happen.

[3:33:51] Trustee Borthwick: I became

[3:33:52] Trustee Borthwick: I became a state technician so that I didn't have to do that.

[3:33:57] I propose a standing resolution that the Denman Local Trust Committee, sorry, let me ask, okay,

[3:34:05] that the Denman Local Trust Committee acknowledges and affirms its commitment to

[3:34:11] Trustee Borthwick: the human rights to housing.

[3:34:13] Voice 9: Sorry.

[3:34:17] Voice 9: To the right of human rights.

[3:34:21] Trustee Borthwick: Affirms its commitment to the human rights to housing.

[3:34:25] Trustee Borthwick: as laid out by the UN Charter on Human Rights.

[3:34:31] Trustee Borthwick: I think it's the Human Rights.

[3:34:33] Trustee Borthwick: I can't remember which, the one that's specific.

[3:34:40] Voice 11: I was trying to find that in the table, but I don't know what the thing is.

[3:34:50] Voice 9: The Human Right

[3:34:51] Planner McCargar: to Adequate Housing.

[3:34:56] Voice 9: The Human Right to

[3:34:59] Voice 9: Adequate Housing.

[3:35:00] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:35:01] Voice 9: And I can give you, there's the UNDRA, the United Nations Declaration of the Right to

[3:35:11] Voice 9: Active Housing, fact sheet number 21.

[3:35:14] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:35:15] Voice 9: I did not catch that.

[3:35:16] Voice 9: Did you want that all in?

[3:35:17] Trustee Borthwick: Well, I mean, there's a, I mean, I think-

[3:35:20] Voice 9: It's laid out in UN-

[3:35:22] Trustee Borthwick: Declaration.

[3:35:24] Trustee Borthwick: Declaration.

[3:35:25] Trustee Borthwick: I think

[3:35:25] Voice 9: I've got a great-

[3:35:26] Trustee Borthwick: Yeah.

[3:35:26] Trustee Borthwick: Okay.

[3:35:27] Trustee Borthwick: Would that help?

[3:35:28] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:35:28] Voice 9: It's a

[3:35:29] Voice 9: piece to share?

[3:35:29] Voice 9: Sure.

[3:35:30] Voice 9: Sure.

[3:35:31] Voice 9: Yes, it's right here. First book now. Thank you very much.

[3:35:35] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[3:35:35] Voice 9: It's the UNRWA. UNRWA is the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of the Housing.

[3:35:41] Voice 9: I knew that.

[3:35:48] Voice 9: So smart.

[3:35:51] Voice 7: Supporting us.

[3:35:57] Voice 9: Sure. Yeah.

[3:36:00] Voice 9: move that the

[3:36:01] Voice 9: Demanada Local Trust Committee

[3:36:03] Voice 9: adopt the following standing resolution

[3:36:05] Voice 9: that the local trust

[3:36:08] Voice 9: committee acknowledges and confirms its

[3:36:10] Voice 9: commitment to the

[3:36:11] Voice 9: human rights to housing as

[3:36:14] Voice 9: laid out by the UN Declaration

[3:36:16] Voice 9: on the Rights to Addictive Housing.

[3:36:18] Trustee Borthwick: Yeah, I would just change

[3:36:19] Trustee Borthwick: confirms to affirms.

[3:36:23] Trustee Borthwick: That's just me being

[3:36:24] Trustee Borthwick: picky.

[3:36:28] Voice 4: Second.

[3:36:34] Trustee Maude: Second. Any more discussion?

[3:36:36] Trustee Maude: If you call the question, I will appear.

[3:36:40] I'm not carrying a second.

[3:36:42] Thank you.

[3:36:43] Okay.

[3:36:44] All right, then we'll move on to the...

[3:36:46] You don't have any more motions, right?

[3:36:48] No.

[3:36:48] You're done? We're done?

[3:36:49] That's it.

[3:36:49] We're done?

[3:36:49] So, trust and service report.

[3:36:52] That's here for our information.

[3:36:56] Any questions or discussion on that?

[3:37:00] Applications report, July 31st.

[3:37:03] Again, for information.

[3:37:08] Trustee Maude: anything to be highlighted

[3:37:26] adopted policy and standing resolutions that's all i think fairly straightforward

[3:37:33] um local trust committee web page do we have a web page we sure do that's that's where you

[3:37:39] out all your applications

[3:37:40] Voice 9: that are relevant so one will be coming off now and then the

[3:37:42] Voice 9: housing association file will be up and we will update your housing project site as well

[3:37:53] as information

[3:37:54] Voice 9: becomes available and it's good to take a look at for the meeting in case you

[3:37:59] Voice 9: want any information included you can direct staff at these meetings to do that work i do have a

[3:38:05] Voice 9: question so the coral pepper lane unfortunately the owner of the property

[3:38:11] Voice 7: for whatever reason

[3:38:13] Voice 7: chose not to continue but the zoning is complete so this personnel owns a piece of property

[3:38:21] Voice 7: with a piece of property that's attached to their homestead piece of property which is permanently

[3:38:28] Voice 7: until it's resolved

[3:38:28] Voice 9: zone for eight affordable housing blah blah blah

[3:38:33] Voice 11: this

[3:38:37] Voice 9: has never happened

[3:38:38] Voice 9: i mean no so to be frank we discussed with the denman housing association the option

[3:38:46] Voice 9: possibly of like fixing this thing we don't want to muddy the waters of an existing application

[3:38:52] Voice 9: trying to fix another application but it does

[3:38:55] Voice 9: require an iowa amendment

[3:38:57] Voice 9: to correct you can't just repeal all that work it's not when you do it the public has to be

[3:39:05] Voice 9: involved they have to be appearing they have to know why you're changing this intensity again

[3:39:09] Voice 9: even though you have good reason to you can't just wave a magic wand and change it back to

[3:39:14] Voice 9: the way it was with that public constitution and engagement with the community agencies

[3:39:20] Voice 9: so the owner of that property knows this well we went we worked with the applicant they were

[3:39:27] Voice 9: the designated agent for that file so we advised the dclta at that point in time when we when we

[3:39:35] Planner McCargar: became aware of what was

[3:39:36] Voice 9: happening so we advised them that the owner needs to contact us to

[3:39:40] Voice 9: understand the ramifications of choosing to not proceed with this because there is still

[3:39:45] Voice 9: a discrepancy now with the zoning sitting on the land the zoning is an effect um the zoning

[3:39:53] Voice 7: is not an effect

[3:39:54] Voice 9: the zoning is an effect so what's the

[3:39:56] Voice 7: discrepancy well

[3:39:58] Voice 9: in terms of their

[3:39:59] Voice 9: understanding perhaps about the fact that just because they pulled out of this project

[3:40:03] Voice 9: it they pulled out after the ltc adopted so

[3:40:07] Trustee Maude: that would affect an assessment so

[3:40:09] Voice 9: it has a number of

[3:40:11] Voice 9: ramifications so there's assessment issues there's taxation issues there is future development in

[3:40:16] Voice 9: terms of estate planning all those things are impacted by these new zones that was drafted

[3:40:22] Voice 9: to enable that project to proceed

[3:40:26] Trustee Maude: now just not to get into the nitty-gritty and i'll let that

[3:40:31] Trustee Maude: is there potential for another proponent to come in maybe and take over the project

[3:40:38] Trustee Maude: it's

[3:40:38] Voice 9: up to the property owner to be amenable to that so we're not sure what the owner wants to

[3:40:44] Voice 9: do but we

[3:40:45] Trustee Maude: haven't been in communication with the landlord no

[3:40:47] Voice 9: they haven't reached out to us

[3:40:48] Voice 9: despite our recommendation that they knew because they could become a delegation to a future meeting

[3:40:56] Voice 9: meeting to say, hey, roll this into your LCP project, right?

[3:41:02] Trustee Maude: Should we be reaching out?

[3:41:04] Voice 9: Well, we have in so much as we've made it clear to the applicant, the agent for the

[3:41:12] Voice 9: owner, here's our advice to you.

[3:41:15] Voice 9: And now we move on to the next emergency.

[3:41:18] Voice 9: So it is a significant enough issue that they will be reaching out to us at some point,

[3:41:24] Voice 9: because it's something that you would want to have fixed and it might be that it is um presented to

[3:41:31] Voice 9: you as a potential fix as part of an ocp lub review project that would uh like maybe the most

[3:41:38] Voice 9: reasonable recommendation we would give them is just to appeal to the ltc is uh revert your the

[3:41:45] Voice 9: previous lcc's decision on these lands as part of a future review knowing full well that there's no

[3:41:50] Voice 9: no future projects contemplated there's no affordable housing application being made

[3:41:56] Voice 9: for funding to develop that property and the owners no longer amenable to that

[3:42:01] Voice 9: solution so you can you're on standby for now if there's no pressure to develop the land you're

[3:42:06] Voice 9: subdivide or do a state planning then we won't be hearing from them and so need arises

[3:42:15] Voice 9: we are too because that's the worst case scenario if the ltc adopts a bylaw and then a project

[3:42:21] Voice 9: doesn't go through so we've

[3:42:23] Voice 11: seen that uh results

[3:42:24] Voice 9: are not workable as a project where it doesn't

[3:42:27] Voice 9: work then the applicants walk away so it doesn't happen often but i imagine that it becomes

[3:42:35] Voice 9: more morality as the cost to develop these projects accelerates the organization's ability to ever

[3:42:45] Voice 9: realize it but

[3:42:46] Trustee Maude: it's just hopefully the landowner does realize that that's taxation-wise potentially

[3:42:51] Trustee Maude: could be pretty substantial because it's very aggressive how do

[3:42:55] Voice 7: you think it would reduce the

[3:42:57] Voice 7: taxes because a good chunk of their property is now it's

[3:43:01] Voice 9: undeveloped for the residing zone

[3:43:03] Voice 7: so

[3:43:03] Voice 9: you know bc assessment looks at the base zoning but they really do look more so

[3:43:07] Voice 9: okay no

[3:43:09] Trustee Maude: but they do potentially we've had that problem and of course in vancouver

[3:43:13] Trustee Maude: they assess your your your hair above your building if you're allowed to have a 16 story

[3:43:19] Trustee Maude: building you only have an eight they tax on a 16.

[3:43:21] Voice 9: right so it's a bit different from one time

[3:43:24] Voice 9: in that if there is no development it's latent and it takes me a year to catch up so for this

[3:43:30] Voice 9: year i think everything's okay it's the next taxation year that there might actually be some

[3:43:35] Voice 9: urgency to rectify the situation thank you all right thank you for the questions all right

[3:43:41] okie dokie um so that does our web page so we have active projects report

[3:43:50] so when i understood in your

[3:43:51] Voice 9: previous discussion there's no changes that you wish to make to the

[3:43:54] Voice 9: active projects left so

[3:43:57] Trustee Maude: everybody's happy there so future projects report same thing just yeah

[3:44:04] Trustee Maude: everything's just everybody's comfortable um so now we have upcoming meetings next regular

[3:44:11] Trustee Maude: meeting scheduled for tuesday april 4th at 12 30. now logistically speaking 12 30 is something

[3:44:21] Trustee Maude: that's been set up for me i understand and it can't like i have to come out the day before

[3:44:28] Trustee Maude: so we want an earlier start time that's not the problem so with

[3:44:33] Voice 9: the venue though

[3:44:36] Voice 9: so

[3:44:36] Trustee Maude: do we want to leave that 12 30 and very open and between the trustees and the staff

[3:44:41] Trustee Maude: want to sort of discuss what works best because if it was 10 i don't know 10 30 was the previous

[3:44:48] Trustee Maude: is i

[3:44:48] Voice 7: believe 10 30 was the yeah yeah

[3:44:51] Voice 7: the start of the trust but you know we got a lot of flack

[3:44:55] Voice 7: for that from people who worked so i think you know yeah it impacts this yeah because right now

[3:45:05] Trustee Maude: we're at 460. that's a comfortable like finishing time you can catch the four four five thirties

[3:45:12] kind of pushing it a bit i think for everybody sort of to get back to

[3:45:16] of dinner, kids, and IMO.

[3:45:20] None of our meetings are going to be successful.

[3:45:22] But that's my question.

[3:45:24] I don't know the base of the case of the Dem and meetings.

[3:45:27] Is it an earlier start time?

[3:45:30] Trustee Maude: Is that a more functional thing for the trustees and staff?

[3:45:33] Because I'd say, like, I don't know.

[3:45:36] I don't care.

[3:45:36] So we could look into that.

[3:45:39] The limiting factor is this is a very popular meeting space

[3:45:42] Voice 9: for the community, so it's difficult for us to adjust it now.

[3:45:55] Voice 9: So we

[3:45:56] Trustee Maude: won't necessarily say 1230, it could be another time, but everyone has figured

[3:46:04] out.

[3:46:05] Do you want to direct us at all around the frequency of electronic meetings that you

[3:46:09] want to

[3:46:09] Voice 9: incorporate into your meeting schedule or do you want to leave it for now

[3:46:13] Trustee Maude: my meeting is that

[3:46:15] Trustee Maude: the three of us have to be live so you guys maybe you can come in electronic no

[3:46:23] Voice 9: i mean you can have

[3:46:24] Voice 9: all electronic meetings if that's you know you wanted to direct us into which ones in your meeting

[3:46:29] Voice 9: schedule you wanted to do all electronic or did you want to proceed with the in person because

[3:46:34] Voice 9: you do require a staff person for

[3:46:35] Voice 7: this year i really don't think it's important i know it's

[3:46:40] Voice 7: expensive i know it's okay as far as you're traveling it doesn't get

[3:46:44] Voice 9: done because you're

[3:46:45] Voice 9: traveling where is it for this particular year yeah now revisit our schedule for next

[3:46:52] year with a more economically electronically derived meeting that's helpful just for our

[3:47:00] planning i'm sorry it's helpful for us to know that

[3:47:03] Trustee Maude: so we can just leave that's why

[3:47:04] Trustee Maude: no i totally agree yeah yeah yeah because it's it it does make a difference it's the first

[3:47:12] Voice 7: before your turn and you saw me we won't see this gallery being quite simple and eventually

[3:47:19] Voice 7: it'll just be two people and at which point as the housing thing starts to really you know become uh

[3:47:24] Voice 7: uh, over the, over the

[3:47:26] Trustee Maude: hump, as they

[3:47:26] Voice 7: say, then I think we could maybe look at electronic.

[3:47:29] Trustee Maude: And, and, and meeting frequencies as laid out is okay?

[3:47:33] Voice 9: Well, no, I mean, I've, that's what I

[3:47:35] Voice 9: added monthly, but I appreciate this, uh, that's

[3:47:38] Voice 9: not going to happen, so,

[3:47:39] Trustee Maude: so what am I going to do?

[3:47:42] Trustee Maude: We'll go on with, it is what it is.

[3:47:44] Trustee Maude: Certainly

[3:47:44] Trustee Borthwick: for this year, I mean, if we get to approve our meeting schedule on a yearly

[3:47:48] Trustee Borthwick: basis, yeah, so I think I would like to talk about more, and, and, I mean, that can be

[3:47:53] Trustee Borthwick: mix of in-person and electronic meetings as we go forward i think we do want to see more

[3:47:57] Trustee Borthwick: we do have the means to make special meetings so you know i think as things come up and we've

[3:48:02] Trustee Borthwick: talked about doing you know if there's work to be done that that we're holding up by by waiting for

[3:48:09] the next formal meeting i think having the the

[3:48:12] Trustee Borthwick: equipment the ability to do electronic meetings

[3:48:15] Trustee Borthwick: on a much quicker basis allows us to sort of advance those agendas quite quickly and i'd

[3:48:20] Trustee Borthwick: much rather see work not taking you know as long as it does just because we're waiting for us to

[3:48:27] Trustee Borthwick: meet the next time yeah okay all right we're done we're done we have no close meeting so

[3:48:35] now we have to wait till

[3:48:36] Trustee Maude: 5 25 to adjourn

[3:48:40] Trustee Maude: so we'll call for adjournment thank you

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Denman Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
February 7, 2023 
Denman Activity Centre 
1111 Northwest Rd, Denman Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair  
 David Graham, Local Trustee  
 Sam Borthwick, Local Trustee 
 
 
Staff Present: Renee Jamurat, Regional Planning Manager  
 Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner  
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner  
 Stephen Baugh, Planner 2 
Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager 
 
 Vicky Bockman, Recorder  
 
Others Present: 
 
Approximately twenty-five (25) members of the public 
 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 12:31 pm. He welcomed the public; introduced 
Trustees, staff and recorder; and noted this this meeting is being live streamed and recorded for 
viewing on the Islands Trust website. He acknowledged that the meeting was being held in 
territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - none 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Borthwick reported that he has been busy with Islands Trust orientation, and 
encouraged community members to contact him at any time about any topic or concern 
they might wish to discuss. 
Trustee Graham reported on the following: 
 He and Trustee Borthwick attended Trust Council in December that included 
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 He will be working on the Financial Planning Committee where the budget planning 
process will be under discussion and working on the Regional Planning Committee 
as well; 
 He expressed his gratitude for the opportunity to serve again as a local Trustee and 
commented on his appreciation for the Islands Trust preserve and protect mandate. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Maude introduced himself with a brief background of his family’s history of 
residing on Mayne Island since 1898. He commented that he is honoured to have been 
selected by Executive Committee to serve as Chair of the Denman Island Local Trust 
Committee (LTC) and he looks forward to a positive experience of working with the 
community. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
Doug Wright - outlined difficulties faced by farmers and stressed the importance and fragility of 
the food supply system. He proposed suggestions that partially relate to the Farm Plan 
Implementation Project: let farmers, not bureaucracy, deal with water issues; do not place 
barriers on the sale of food and agricultural products as proposed; let the Agricultural Land 
Reserve (ARL) manage farmlands; have a system that allows flexibility as to who farms the land 
and permits farmers to remain on the land without having to sell; be creative about bringing 
unused farmland lots into production; have an appreciation of quantities produced when 
evaluating proposals. He submitted his remarks for the record. 
Richard Day – is currently farming under the Agricultural Assessment Act on property zoned RE 
(Resource). While many lots zoned RE are being re-designated as A (Agriculture), some are being 
left out as proposed Bylaw Nos. 228 and 229 relate to farms designated as ARL or having farm 
status. There is a burden if farming but not in Zone A as, for example, Agri-tourism 
accommodation would require a Temporary Use Permit which would be onerous. He asked the 
LTC to consider that some lands zoned RE that are currently being farmed but are not in the 
ARL, be designated as Zone A without a multi-year process. 
6. DELEGATIONS 
By general consent agenda item 6.1 was moved to follow item 6.2. 
6.2 L. Virginia Spinney for Denman Island Housing Action Group regarding Housing - 
Adequate Housing on Denman 
Virginia Spinney presented a report that outlines the housing needs on Denman Island, 
summarizes barriers to moving forward to achieve adequate housing, and provides 
suggestions for changes to the Official Community Plan (OCP), Land Use Bylaw (LUB), 
enforcement practices, and approval processes to help resolve the housing challenges 
on Denman Island. The presentation document is available for viewing on the Islands 
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6.1 Laura Busheikin for Triple Rock Land Cooperative regarding Increasing capacity at the 
Triple Rock Land Cooperative 
Laura Busheikin reported that Triple Rock Land Cooperative is exploring the possibility of 
adding five new units to increase the overall density to 20 units, allowing all units to 
have a secondary suite, increasing the maximum square footage for all accessory 
buildings, and including changes to square footage conditions to accommodate 
secondary suites. She explained that the intention for these changes is to help provide 
housing for islanders and to bring more diversity to the Cooperative. She suggested that 
these changes might be accomplished with amendments to the regulations in the 
current OCP/LUB Housing Review and solicited input from the Trustees on this 
approach. The presentation document is available for viewing on the Islands Trust 
website. 
Trustees asked staff for a general timeline of accomplishing these changes through 
either the OCP Review or through the application process. Staff estimated that an OCP 
review is typically a multi-year process while a rezoning application might take a 
minimum of 12-18 months once an application is complete. 
6.3 Erin O'Brien-Hornsey regarding Status of Women Canada Heroines Journey Project 
Denman Island Women's Outreach - Critical Need for Housing Identified for the 
Prevention of Violence against Rural Women and Access to Economic Independence 
Erin O’Brien-Hornsey presented a report identifying the critical need for housing for the 
prevention of violence against rural women and access to economic independence, and 
recognized that in 2023 the need for affordable, safe, year-round and local housing has 
increased. She proposed the creation of a local action committee, a review of the OCP 
Density Bank, and to study what exists and is working. The presentation document is 
available for viewing on the Islands Trust website. 
6.4 R. da Silva regarding Human Rights 
Riane da Silva spoke to the obligation of the LTC regarding the human right to housing 
and proposed 13 actions to meet those obligations including requiring Bylaw 
Enforcement staff to undergo Trauma Informed Practice training. The presentation 
document is available for viewing on the Islands Trust website.  
Trustees’ comments on the Delegations included the following: 
 Delegation presenters were thanked for the helpful material that has been 
provided; 
 They noted that a Housing Review of OCP and LUB Bylaws is ongoing and that 
material relevant to that review might be forwarded to Islands Trust Planners to 
help inform the review and further the conversation at a community level; 
 The importance of a diverse community was acknowledged; 
 A Trustee expressed support for all those producing food, whether in zone A or RE. 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated January 17, 2023- for adoption 
By general consent the minutes dated January 17, 2023 were adopted as presented. 

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7.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated January 31, 2023 
Received. 
7.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes dated January 17, 2023 - for receipt 
Received. 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List dated January 31, 2023 
A Trustee expressed his support for Trustees and staff to attend regular LTC meetings in 
person at least for the first year of this term with the possibility of exploring 
compromise options in the future. 
9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
9.1 DE-DP-2022.3 (Smith - 8330 Owl Crescent) - Staff Report 
Planner 2 Baugh presented an overview of the Staff Report, reporting that this 
Development Permit application is to permit the construction of an addition to an 
existing single family dwelling within Development Permit Area 2 – Steep Slopes. He 
noted that the applicant has confirmed that no tree cutting is required or proposed. 
DE-2023-003 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Permit 
DE-DP-2022.3. 
CARRIED 
 
9.2 DE-RZ-2021.1 (Denman Housing Association) - Staff Report 
Planner Zupanec presented the Staff Report that outlines minor recommended 
corrections to policy references and minor text amendments to proposed Bylaw Nos. 
241 (OCP) and 243 (Housing Agreement). She reported that the applicant has requested 
that five units of seniors’ affordable rental housing be incorporated into the units. She 
advised that this does not include any new information post public hearing and that the 
LTC is now asked to consider final reading and adoption of the proposed bylaws. 
DE-2023-004 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 241 cited as “Denman Island 
Official Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021” be amended as per 
Attachment 1 of this staff report and as follows: 
i. Section 1.3, replace “Policy 9” with “Policy 8”. 
ii. Section 1.4, replace “Policy 10” with “Policy 11” and “Policy 30” to “Policy 28”. 
iii. Section 1.5, replace “Policy 10” with “Policy 11” and adding “27, 28, and 29” in 
place of “30”. 
iv. Section 1.6, replace “Policy 27” with “Policy 26”. 
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DE-2023-005 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 241 cited as “Denman Island 
Official Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021” be adopted as amended. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-006 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 242 cited as “Denman Island 
Land Use Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2021” be adopted. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-007 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 243 cited as “Denman Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 243, 2021” be amended as per Attachment 3 of this staff 
report and as follows: 
i. Item a. Definitions, “Family Member” be amended by removing the words 
“under the age of 65 years old”; 
ii. Item a. Definitions, be amended by adding the following definition after 
“Schedule B” and before “Tenancy Agreement”: 
 “Senior” means a person who is 65 years or older at the time of first 
occupying a housing unit. 
iii. Item b. Agreement over the Lands, be amended by adding the following new 
clause after  v: 
 vi up to five (5) units of housing will be reserved for seniors. 
iv. Schedule B, Definition of a Qualified Occupant, clause d. be amended by 
removing the following text: 
 “Immediate family member” means a daughter/son or parent or 
sibling, to whom the person is related by blood, or by marriage or 
common-law relationship, or by adoption 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-008 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 243 cited as “Denman Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 243, 2021” be adopted as amended. 
 
Trustee Graham thanked the Denman Housing Association members and volunteers for the time put 
into this work, and those involved in the density transfers creative approach to facilitate the project. 
 CARRIED 
DE-2023-009 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee accept a covenant under section 219 of 
the Land Title Act from the registered owners of LOT B, SECTION 18, DENMAN ISLAND, 
NANAIMO DISTRICT, PLAN 36263 EXCEPT PLAN EPP113337, PID 000-393-941, and 
designate any two members of the Local Trust Committee to sign the covenant  
(DE-RZ-2021.1 DHA, 1151 Northwest Road). 
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Chair Maude invited the applicant to speak.  
Simon Palmer on behalf of the Denman Housing Association observed that this is a 
significant step for Denman Island. He noted that it has been years in the making and 
commented that this demonstrates that the process was hard and the application 
should have advanced faster. He supported the creation of an Advisory Planning 
Commission (APC) dedicated to housing; and thanked those involved in the density 
transfers which enabled the project, the previous local Trustees, and staff for their work 
on this project. 
By general consent the meeting recessed at 2:18 pm and reconvened at 2:52 pm. 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Denman Island Farm Plan Regulation Review Project – Memorandum 
Planner McCargar presented an overview of the Memorandum with an update on 
progress to date on the Farm Plan Regulation Review project. She outlined next steps 
that will include a Community Information Meeting and Public Hearing, noting that a 
date for those meetings is unknown at this time. 
She reported that the APC supported moving forward to a Public Hearing with Bylaw No. 
228 and confirmed that the Denman Growers & Producers had received a referral 
request for comment. 
10.2 Local Trust Committee Active and Future Projects Summary - Staff Report 
Trustees reviewed the work program and confirmed the Active and Future Project List 
with no changes requested at this time.  
Planner Zupanec outlined next steps for the Denman Housing Review Project including 
the process that would be necessary should the LTC wish to consider striking a new APC 
specifically focused on housing to help inform the project. 
DE-2023-010 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee advertise for expressions of interest for a 
special Advisory Planning Commission specifically to consider the current Housing 
Review. 
CARRIED 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11.1 Email dated January 23, 2023 from H. Holm regarding Flagstone Article – Housing 
Received for information with appreciation expressed for the correspondence. 
11.2 Email dated January 12, 2023 from S. Carballeira regarding 3060 Lake Road, Lot Line 
Adjustment (DE-SUB-2022.1) 
Trustees requested that Planning staff investigate whether a technical option for a 
variance to the LUB requirements exists for this lot line adjustment, and advise the 
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11.3 Email dated January 12, 2023 from R. da Silva regarding Denman's Housing Emergency 
Received. 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Bylaw Enforcement Update - Staff Report 
Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager Dingman presented the Staff Report, 
providing an update on current compliance and enforcement files for Denman Island. 
Discussion followed with the following points noted: 
 Currently Bylaw Enforcement staff training does not involve Trauma Informed 
Practice training. Initiating this practice and the relevant budget requirements could 
be considered at Trust Council; 
 Although a Standing Resolution currently in effect directs the temporary 
withholding of enforcement against unlawful dwellings unless certain conditions 
apply, a Trust Council policy requires that a file be opened if a complaint is received 
and the complaint must be investigated to discover if in contravention; 
 The landowner is given notice of investigation of a potential unlawful dwelling. 
Bylaw Enforcement staff might attempt to notify the occupant; however, provincial 
legislation provides that it is the landowner’s responsibility to inform tenants and 
the Islands Trust does not have authority to give direction to the landowner to 
perform that action even though tenants may be impacted;  
 Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager Dingman confirmed that the Islands 
Trust does not have the authority to evict. 
 
DE-2023-011 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request an In Camera report on unlawful 
dwellings on Denman Island from Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager for the 
next Local Trust Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
Discussion followed on the Bylaw Enforcement Notification (BEN) system with the 
following noted: 
 A Trustee suggested that the Bylaw fines impact low-income residents 
disproportionately and that consideration be given to limiting the infractions to 
Short Term Vacation Rentals, an unlawful practice that generates income for the 
operators; 
 Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager Dingman advised that the BEN Bylaw is 
in need of amending as a result of a revision to the Siting and Use Bylaw adopted 
last year. He suggested that the LTC might consider changes to the infraction 
schedule and fine amounts when the amendment comes before the Committee, 
possibly at the April LTC meeting. 
 
 
 
 

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DE-2023-012 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee adopt the following Standing Resolution: 
That the Local Trust Committee acknowledges and affirms its commitment to the 
human right to housing as laid out by the United Nations Declaration of the Human 
Right to Adequate Housing. 
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated October 6, 2022 
Received. 
13.2 Applications Report dated January 31, 2023 
Received. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated November, 2022 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
A Standing Resolution was adopted under agenda item 12.1. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
No additions or changes were requested. 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Active Projects Report dated January 31, 2023 
Received. 
14.2 Future Projects Report dated January 31, 2023 
Received. 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 12:30 pm at Denman 
Activity Centre, 1111 Northwest Road, Denman Island, BC 
The LTC confirmed the next regular meeting location and date of Tuesday, April 4, 2023 
at 12:30pm. 
16. CLOSED MEETING – None 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:20 pm. 
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David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
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Vicky Bockman, Recorder