North Pender Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, February 10, 2023

[0:00:02] Voice 5: yeah we're live streaming and recording perfect

[0:00:05] Trustee Maude: all right good afternoon everybody um thank you

[0:00:09] Trustee Maude: for joining us today for this electronic special meeting of the pender island local trust committee

[0:00:13] Trustee Maude: i want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today in locations

[0:00:19] Trustee Maude: across the traditional area of the coast salish people i'm david mott elected the main island and

[0:00:25] Trustee Maude: chair of the main pender island local trust committee i'm joined today by your trustees

[0:00:30] Trustee Maude: He's Aaron Campbell and Deb Morrison.

[0:00:33] Trustee Maude: Together, we make up the Fender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude: This meeting is being live streamed.

[0:00:38] Trustee Maude: It is also being recorded and will be available soon on the Island's Trust website.

[0:00:42] Trustee Maude: So we have quite a few staff members joining us today.

[0:00:46] Trustee Maude: We start off with Pat Todd, who's our Retirement Courtings Secretary.

[0:00:50] Trustee Maude: We have Robert Kojima, who's the Regional Planning Manager.

[0:00:53] Trustee Maude: We have Brad Smith, who's one of the planners on the island.

[0:00:57] Trustee Maude: and we have kim stockfield i believe somewhere in the background who's also one of our planners um

[0:01:04] Trustee Maude: hopefully that covers everybody um and uh robin ilchuk is hosting our zoom meeting for us today

[0:01:12] Trustee Maude: um the meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about

[0:01:16] Trustee Maude: land use and planning matters and discuss relevant business all right so i guess we are starting off

[0:01:22] Trustee Maude: with a fairly simple agenda.

[0:01:26] Trustee Maude: I'm assuming that there's no additions

[0:01:28] Trustee Maude: or changes to the agenda.

[0:01:30] Trustee Maude: So by consensus, we'll adopt that

[0:01:33] Trustee Maude: unless anybody advises otherwise.

[0:01:35] Trustee Maude: And then I believe we are turning it over

[0:01:38] Trustee Maude: to the planners to seek input and information.

[0:01:43] Voice 2: Yes, thank you, Chair Maude.

[0:01:44] Voice 2: I thought that what I would do

[0:01:46] Voice 2: is just go over a short PowerPoint presentation

[0:01:49] Voice 2: to highlight some of the items in the staff report.

[0:01:53] Voice 2: so I'm going to share my screen now perfect

[0:01:56] Voice 3: and to confirm

[0:02:03] Voice 2: you can see the the slide there the

[0:02:06] Voice 2: first one we

[0:02:07] Trustee Maude: can see it in all its beauty great

[0:02:09] Voice 2: okay fantastic well I will um begin then so this

[0:02:13] Voice 2: is a special meeting for the North Pender LTC to chat about the final amendments um to the three

[0:02:21] Voice 2: bylaws that are associated with the land use bylaw review project and so there was a recommendation

[0:02:27] Voice 2: recommendation in the staff report for today's meeting and in the past week we've actually made

[0:02:33] Voice 2: some changes to that recommendation but I just wanted to highlight what was originally in the

[0:02:38] Voice 2: staff report. So in the staff report there were a number of draft motions for the LTC to consider

[0:02:44] Voice 2: and those were actually amendments to all three bylaws proposed bylaw 223, 224, and 229. I believe

[0:02:51] Voice 2: there was an error in the staff report because I said there was only proposed amendments to two

[0:02:57] Voice 2: bylaws but the amendments um or the motions would actually affect all three bylaws and so in the

[0:03:04] Voice 2: staff report i had mentioned that if the ltc wanted to make any amendments to these bylaws

[0:03:11] Voice 2: since they've been given first and second reading the first thing to do is to reset rescind

[0:03:18] Voice 2: second reading. Then the LTC can make amendments to these bylaws. And then after that, the bylaws

[0:03:28] Voice 2: could be read for a second time as amended. The issue with this is, to date, we haven't, so

[0:03:37] Voice 2: there are some amendments that need to be made to the subdivision regulations in proposed bylaw 224.

[0:03:44] Voice 2: And we don't have those amendments yet. One of our senior planners is working on those and should have them completed in the next week or so.

[0:03:53] Voice 2: And really our goal is to, at the Saturday, February 25th special meeting, is to present the final drafts of all three bylaws that incorporates all the changes made today and also the subdivision regulations.

[0:04:11] Voice 2: So we really wanted, it's important to present to the community that final draft for the Saturday meeting.

[0:04:19] Voice 2: So how do we get there?

[0:04:20] Voice 2: And so this is why we've changed the recommendations.

[0:04:23] Voice 2: We thought the best way forward is to first rescind second reading for all the bylaws that need changes,

[0:04:32] Voice 2: rescind first reading for all the bylaws that need changes,

[0:04:37] Voice 2: and that would make these bylaws then back in draft format.

[0:04:41] Voice 2: And then the LTC can give direction to staff to make changes.

[0:04:45] Voice 2: And I thought this was a really good opportunity to speak about, well, what's the difference between a draft bylaw and a proposed bylaw?

[0:04:52] Voice 2: And there are two very distinct differences.

[0:04:55] Voice 2: With a draft bylaw, that means that a bylaw has not been given first reading.

[0:05:01] Voice 2: So it's draft.

[0:05:03] Voice 2: And when you have a draft bylaw, LTC can give direction to staff kind of informally or by resolution to make changes to the draft bylaw.

[0:05:15] Voice 2: So I made an example there that says, oh, the North Pender LTC requests staff to update the subdivision regulations in the draft bylaw.

[0:05:22] Voice 2: It's pretty, it's an informal resolution, if you will.

[0:05:26] Voice 2: But for proposed bylaws, these are bylaws that have been given a reading of some sort.

[0:05:31] Voice 2: So either first, second, or third. And when an LTC wants to make an amendment to a proposed bylaw,

[0:05:39] Voice 2: this can only be done by resolution. And the resolution has to be very specific to what

[0:05:45] Voice 2: you're actually amending. And I've included that example. It's a very formal resolution.

[0:05:51] Voice 2: So the benefit of having a bylaw in a draft format is that the LTC can give direction to staff

[0:05:58] Voice 2: to amend the draft bylaw

[0:06:00] Voice 2: with actually not having the exact amendments in hand.

[0:06:03] Voice 2: So since we don't have those subdivision regulations

[0:06:06] Voice 2: in hand yet, it's best to have them in draft format.

[0:06:10] Voice 2: And so again, as I pointed out there,

[0:06:12] Voice 2: the outcome of these new recommendations

[0:06:15] Voice 2: for the LTC to consider

[0:06:17] Voice 2: is they would allow staff to make these necessary changes

[0:06:21] Voice 2: over the next few weeks

[0:06:22] Voice 2: in order to present those kind of final draft format

[0:06:26] Voice 2: format at the February 25th meeting. I just wanted to go over some of the draft motions in the staff

[0:06:33] Voice 2: report and just highlight those to the LTC and then we can have a discussion at the end if that

[0:06:40] Voice 2: works. So the LTC asked for further information on outhouses and who regulates outhouses and is

[0:06:48] Voice 2: this something that a local trust committee can include in their land use bylaw. So there is

[0:06:54] Voice 2: is provincial legislation around outhouses or it's called privies and they're actually not

[0:07:00] Voice 2: applicable to federal lands because federal lands are exempt from provincial legislation in this

[0:07:06] Voice 2: case. For provincial parks although the I think it's called the sewage oh gosh I can't think of

[0:07:14] Voice 2: the formal name I'll just call it the sewage regulation right now although the sewage regulation

[0:07:18] Voice 2: is applicable to provincial parks.

[0:07:22] Voice 2: There's a memorandum of understanding

[0:07:25] Voice 2: between the provincial parks and this legislation

[0:07:28] Voice 2: that allows privies or outhouses to be in provincial parks.

[0:07:32] Voice 2: The kind of gray area is for community parks.

[0:07:37] Voice 2: Would this regulation be applicable to CRD parks?

[0:07:44] Voice 2: parks. So the LTC could, although this is all regulated by Island Health and the provincial

[0:07:50] Voice 2: legislation, the LTC could perhaps put a prohibition on outhouses and privies in all zones

[0:07:59] Voice 2: in the land use bylaw, but the LTC may want to consider making exception to National Park,

[0:08:06] Voice 2: Community Park 1, and Community Park 2 zones. So if the LTC wanted to move forward with this

[0:08:13] Voice 2: amendment, it would just be to propose bylaw number 224. The next item, which we've been

[0:08:21] Voice 2: kind of going back and forth with over the last year or two, is to the Port Washington Road

[0:08:27] Voice 2: property. The new property owners, they have requested the LTC consider rezoning those two

[0:08:35] Voice 2: parcels from a commercial use, a site-specific commercial use, to a rural residential use.

[0:08:41] Voice 2: And the community benefit through this process would be that the informal parking that's there for the wharf, the Port Washington wharf there, would be formalized.

[0:08:52] Voice 2: So if the LTC did want to move forward with this, it is designated as commercial in the current OCP.

[0:09:02] Voice 2: So that would have to be changed to a rural residential OCP designation.

[0:09:07] Voice 2: So it would need bylaw number 223 would have to be amended to reflect that change.

[0:09:14] Voice 2: And also that we heard about a concern that, well, there's two properties there.

[0:09:21] Voice 2: I wonder if I could use my mouse. So there's two properties, a larger one in the small sliver.

[0:09:26] Voice 2: There was mentioned that there would be a concern that the property owner would be allowed two dwellings because there's two lots.

[0:09:33] Voice 2: Well, we would write or we would draft the site-specific rural residential two zone so that it would only allow one dwelling in the zone.

[0:09:46] Voice 2: So it would only allow one dwelling on these two parcels.

[0:09:52] Voice 2: And I know there was a concern raised.

[0:09:55] Voice 2: This is a orthophoto of the area.

[0:09:57] Voice 2: So these are the two properties I'm mentioning here.

[0:10:00] Voice 2: I think there was a concern that this Water 4 area would be re-zoned.

[0:10:04] Voice 2: No. The old shed that's there, it would retain that Water 4 zoning.

[0:10:09] Voice 2: So this shed, there wouldn't be any residential use allowed for that shed.

[0:10:14] Voice 2: It would just be for these upland portions.

[0:10:16] Voice 2: So the LTC may want to consider re-zoning those two properties to a site-specific Rural Residential 2 zone.

[0:10:27] Trustee Maude: Okay, Kim, if I maybe just step and I see both trustees have their hands up.

[0:10:31] Voice 2: Oh, okay, great.

[0:10:32] Voice 2: So

[0:10:32] Trustee Maude: I don't

[0:10:34] Voice 2: know if you

[0:10:34] Trustee Maude: want to monitor that and just sort of allow them to interject if you want me to do that.

[0:10:38] Voice 2: I think you're, yeah, you can do that because I'm focusing on my slides. That's great. We can stop and go for questions if you like.

[0:10:44] Voice 2: Okay,

[0:10:44] Trustee Maude: we'll start with Trustee Morrison.

[0:10:47] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, and so can you flip back, Kim, to the close image where you can see the Waterford? Yeah, thank you.

[0:10:53] Trustee Morrison: you. So a clarification and then a statement. So the upland portion, upland, upland portion of this

[0:11:02] Trustee Morrison: two lots, yeah, thank you, that area, is my understanding, having visited the site with

[0:11:08] Trustee Morrison: the landowner, that that's the intent on where they want to build a residential. And frankly,

[0:11:13] Trustee Morrison: that's the only space that seems reasonable with setbacks from the ocean, with other blah, blah,

[0:11:18] Trustee Morrison: blah, blah. Absolutely. And so then that little sliver of property that's in the second property

[0:11:24] Trustee Morrison: closest to the water, they did not need to, they did not ask for that to be rezoned into

[0:11:30] Trustee Morrison: residential, that if it was left as commercial, that that was appropriate. And I kind of would

[0:11:38] Trustee Morrison: like to do that, like as a site-specific commercial zoning, just to alleviate any concerns in the

[0:11:44] Trustee Morrison: the neighborhood that there would be a residential property adjacent to that water for property so

[0:11:49] Trustee Morrison: if i can understand if there's any different any problem with that any like what what is the issue

[0:11:54] Trustee Morrison: if if we do that i

[0:11:57] Trustee Maude: see robert's got his camp

[0:11:58] Voice 7: i'll jump in there yeah i've got some history with this

[0:12:01] Voice 7: site including the court case with hunt who the former owner so the portion of the shed that's

[0:12:09] Voice 7: over the up that little upland sliver property is is very small like it's if you've ever looked in

[0:12:15] Voice 7: the shed or kind of poked around there there's kind of that little enclosed porch in the back

[0:12:20] Voice 7: and that's the only portion that's over the land the rest is over the water so keeping that little

[0:12:27] Voice 7: sliver property commercial one with the site-specific zoning for this basically was for

[0:12:33] Voice 7: the store that used to be there it wouldn't be practical on that little tiny property to keep

[0:12:38] Voice 7: that commercial because there would be no there would be no commercial use that could occur there

[0:12:45] Voice 7: i

[0:12:46] Trustee Morrison: guess then the question is the water i mean there is a building sitting in the water four

[0:12:50] Trustee Morrison: zone so is that like what is the point of having that secondary sliver is it it's not everybody in

[0:13:00] Trustee Morrison: the community just so you know thinks that that second piece of the property is the one that holds

[0:13:07] Trustee Morrison: the shed per se and so if there's any portion of that that holds the shed then it needs to be in

[0:13:14] Trustee Morrison: commercial what's the water for zoning is it site specific for commercial use or

[0:13:18] Voice 7: doesn't allow any

[0:13:19] Voice 7: doesn't allow any commercial use and that was the basis the whole basis of the court case

[0:13:23] Voice 7: was that the then the then owner so the the little those those little sliver piece and the old store

[0:13:32] Voice 7: property used to be owned by separate owners and so the owner of the little sliver piece

[0:13:39] Voice 7: occupied the shed um and attempted to have the zoning the commercial zoning

[0:13:47] Voice 7: for that little upland sliver extend over the water to include the whole shed

[0:13:52] Voice 7: and we were successful in court at saying no the zoning the commercial zoning is only on the land

[0:14:02] Voice 7: The water zoning is on the water.

[0:14:05] Voice 7: Eighty percent of the shed is over the water.

[0:14:09] Voice 7: Therefore, it can have no commercial uses.

[0:14:13] Trustee Morrison: I guess my basic question is the shed is there.

[0:14:17] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:14:18] Trustee Morrison: The what is the utility of the shed other than a historic building?

[0:14:23] Trustee Morrison: Like, can it be used by the community at any point?

[0:14:26] Trustee Morrison: Or is that something we have to take up with the province?

[0:14:28] Trustee Morrison: and like or is it's like is rezoning the upland portion to residential potentially causing any

[0:14:38] Trustee Morrison: future residential problem so

[0:14:41] Voice 7: the first part with the shed itself any viable use of that shed from

[0:14:47] Voice 7: a sort of practical point of view would require a lot of work depending on what was being proposed

[0:14:53] Voice 7: like different things have been proposed over the years there was actually an application to

[0:15:00] Voice 7: rezone it for like a kayak business like a kayak rental business is the one that was operating at

[0:15:06] Voice 7: a port browning at the time and that was unsuccessful it's not in very good shape

[0:15:11] Voice 7: the shed so we need a lot of work from sort of a practical point of view and to actually even if

[0:15:18] Voice 7: that those obstacles could be overcome like the you know the the practical obstacles um

[0:15:26] Voice 7: it would be up to the ltc to rezone it to some other use um and then the owner or the

[0:15:37] Voice 7: yeah the the person who wanted to use it would have to get tenure from the crown for the portion

[0:15:44] Voice 7: that's over the water and would have to come to some sort of agreement with the upland owner

[0:15:50] Voice 7: or remove the portion that's over the land okay

[0:15:57] Voice 3: that's all your questions trustee morrison okay

[0:16:00] Voice 3: so over trustee campbell i

[0:16:03] Voice 8: think i think most of what i was going to say um deb sort of addressed

[0:16:08] Voice 8: because when i had a chance to meet uh the property owner um he had said basically the same

[0:16:16] Voice 8: thing that he was more interested in being able to put a residence there on the on the upland

[0:16:24] Voice 8: part of it and that if there for any reason was concern from the community about protecting the

[0:16:32] Voice 8: building um that he you know they they would love to be able to use it because it's a cool

[0:16:40] Voice 8: building and i had an opportunity to go inside it and check it out and and see and you know like for

[0:16:45] Voice 8: for a yoga studio or something like that to be usable in there, it would be really cool.

[0:16:53] Voice 8: But it needs a lot of upgrading.

[0:16:56] Voice 8: And he was told by the CRD building inspector that they wouldn't even really be able to get a permit to do any renovations to it

[0:17:09] Voice 8: just because of how far out over the water it is.

[0:17:12] Voice 8: and to do it would just be wouldn't even be cost effective to um to to try to undertake

[0:17:19] Voice 8: a renovation of that structure so it sort of becomes a historic yeah

[0:17:25] Voice 7: hold

[0:17:26] Voice 8: on to it kind of

[0:17:27] Voice 8: a site so yeah and

[0:17:28] Voice 7: that's that's the way it's been for over a decade now is yeah it's just

[0:17:33] Voice 7: kind of a vacant structure that has some historic character and just history around it yeah

[0:17:40] Voice 3: okay so

[0:17:45] Voice 3: So I guess it's back to Planner Stock Day.

[0:17:47] Trustee Morrison: Maybe just one last clarification question.

[0:17:51] Trustee Morrison: Kim, if we go for both of those pieces

[0:17:54] Trustee Morrison: being rural residential at this moment,

[0:17:57] Trustee Morrison: if the community protests that,

[0:18:00] Trustee Morrison: because one of the things in our OCP

[0:18:02] Trustee Morrison: that this is pushing against

[0:18:03] Trustee Morrison: is dispersed commercial locations across the island.

[0:18:08] Trustee Morrison: And so we do have dispersed commercial locations

[0:18:11] Trustee Morrison: across the island, but this is potentially removing one.

[0:18:14] Trustee Morrison: and so um but it's at the will of the current landowner it is like anyway so if if we decide to

[0:18:22] Trustee Morrison: um suggest that it go into rural residential in this round and we do the second reading what

[0:18:28] Trustee Morrison: happens if at the community information meeting there's just an outpouring of like don't take

[0:18:33] Trustee Morrison: away the commercial property zoning yeah

[0:18:35] Voice 2: so go ahead robert uh

[0:18:38] Voice 7: yeah i was you're probably gonna

[0:18:39] Voice 7: say the same thing but one of the options and this was discussed early on with the owner was

[0:18:45] Voice 7: just some sort of mixed use um where they could have residential or commercial or both like say

[0:18:52] Voice 7: a commercial on the main floor and residential above um you know nathan's a doctor you know

[0:19:00] Voice 7: he might want to you know at some point have a clinic right on the on the ground floor and have

[0:19:05] Voice 7: his house above that's not his current plans but um the zoning could be crafted in such a way that

[0:19:11] Voice 7: would allow both uses but

[0:19:15] Trustee Morrison: we can adjust that after after second reading if we need to yeah but not

[0:19:20] Voice 7: after the public hearing because it would be a change of use yeah

[0:19:23] Trustee Morrison: and this isn't a public hearing

[0:19:25] Trustee Morrison: it's just a more community okay great

[0:19:26] Voice 2: hopefully the bylaws as i mentioned will be in draft format

[0:19:31] Voice 2: at the february 25th meeting so the ltc still has an opportunity to amend the zoning then

[0:19:37] Voice 2: Okay, so I will move on from that. The next item is 3334 Port Washington Road.

[0:19:51] Voice 2: Sorry, where Braden has the TUP. There's been a TUP issued for this portion of the property for

[0:19:59] Voice 2: at least the last eight years to authorize the use of storage and wholesale of aggregates, soils,

[0:20:06] Voice 2: And I would imagine that's going to be a use that is going to continue for quite some time it's quite it's formalized in that location.

[0:20:14] Voice 2: So staff again are recommending legalizing the uses allowed in the temporary use permit by rezoning that portion.

[0:20:25] Voice 2: So the lower portion of that property to a site specific general industrial zone.

[0:20:31] Voice 2: And it's worth mentioning that that whole property, the property that's high, well, the entire property actually itself, I believe, is already designated as industrial in the North Pender Official Community Plan.

[0:20:47] Voice 2: So the LTC may want to propose amending bylaw 224 to allow those uses as outlined in the temporary use permit to legalize those uses by rezoning to a site specific general zone.

[0:21:03] Voice 2: Or also, the LTC could consider allowing all uses in the general industrial zone for that portion of the property, because there actually isn't a parcel right now.

[0:21:16] Voice 2: If the bylaws were to be adopted, there's not a parcel that allows all the general industrial zone uses. They're all very much site specific general industrial uses.

[0:21:26] Voice 2: So that's one last item that I wanted to highlight in terms of the general industrial items.

[0:21:36] Voice 2: And again, I just wanted to highlight why are the subdivision regulations being changed again?

[0:21:42] Voice 2: So they were included as part of By-law 224, I think about a year ago.

[0:21:46] Voice 2: And those are based on the recommendations from the Groundwater Sustainability Project.

[0:21:51] Voice 2: And the Galliano Island LTC is actually going through a similar process.

[0:21:57] Voice 2: And through the Galliano process, the senior planner working on those bylaws actually noted

[0:22:04] Voice 2: just a few additional changes or little tweaks that needed to be made.

[0:22:08] Voice 2: And so those also need to be made to bylaw number 224.

[0:22:12] Voice 2: So these are amendments that I'd like to put into 224 to present at the February 25th special

[0:22:21] Voice 2: meeting.

[0:22:21] Voice 2: So there are a couple minor amendments I mentioned in the staff report, and that's by adding a definition of compost facility to bylaw number 224.

[0:22:39] Voice 2: And also the Pender Parks and Recreation have actually requested the allowance of a boat structure, a boat storage structure on the upland portion here.

[0:22:55] Voice 2: We've already talked about that and the LTC is supportive.

[0:22:58] Voice 2: This actually parcel here is oddly enough zoned rural residential.

[0:23:03] Voice 2: So the LTC has already said that this should be a rezone to a community park.

[0:23:09] Voice 2: but the Parks and Recreation would also like

[0:23:12] Voice 2: a boat storage structure to hold a non-motorized boats.

[0:23:21] Voice 2: So in order to make these changes, as I mentioned,

[0:23:27] Voice 2: staff recommend rescinding second and first rating

[0:23:30] Voice 2: for the bylaws.

[0:23:32] Voice 2: So these are two draft motions the LTC may wanna consider

[0:23:36] Voice 2: for bylaw 224 and bylaw 224, again,

[0:23:39] Voice 2: Again, it's the thicker bylaw that will entirely replace the land use bylaw number 103.

[0:23:46] Trustee Maude: Okay, if I can maybe jump in, because I think we kind of glazed over the outhouse situation.

[0:23:54] Trustee Maude: And I suspect that both trustees probably want to have a little bit more fulsome discussion of that before considering doing it.

[0:24:02] Trustee Morrison: And I have a couple other questions on some of the other things you talked about, too.

[0:24:06] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[0:24:07] Trustee Maude: So I don't know. I know from my perspective on Main Island, this has come up and we're pretty uncomfortable with all that.

[0:24:19] Trustee Maude: I don't know how many outhouses we have on Main Island, but it's a pretty substantial number.

[0:24:26] Trustee Maude: I understand that certainly things will be grandfathered in. But, you know, in rural B.C., outhouses are sort of a normal thing.

[0:24:34] Trustee Maude: and uh well we've been talking with our planner with is basically looking for any mou with the

[0:24:40] Trustee Maude: province within the trust area to to allow them um in in circumstances because it's it's sort of it

[0:24:49] Trustee Maude: is it's part of our history and it's part of the normal land use um so i i know from my perspective

[0:24:56] Trustee Maude: i got a little bit discomfort in going forward with something that would actually specifically

[0:25:01] Trustee Maude: prohibit them because I think that there's more of a conversation with them to trust as a whole

[0:25:06] Trustee Maude: about this issue but I'll hand it over to trustee Morrison and Campbell if they want to jump in

[0:25:11] Trustee Maude: yeah

[0:25:13] Voice 8: I guess I feel very similarly I think there's a danger in going down the route of

[0:25:23] Voice 8: sort of proactively going after things that haven't really been identified as an issue

[0:25:33] Voice 8: kind of yet or I mean we we just had something with uh you know the selling of soup and bread

[0:25:41] Voice 8: on the islands where all of a sudden uh island health got involved in in something that sort

[0:25:49] Voice 8: of has been a bit of an you know a uniqueness to living in these small remote more remote

[0:25:56] Voice 8: communities and and uh it shakes up a lot more somewhere like this than it than it would in

[0:26:05] Voice 8: in say a bigger city where it it doesn't seem to matter as much so i wouldn't yeah i i wouldn't

[0:26:12] Voice 8: want to make something out of it before there is really an issue trustee

[0:26:21] Voice 3: morrison yeah

[0:26:22] Trustee Morrison: so i am not

[0:26:25] Trustee Morrison: not actually very happy to put in anything just because viha says that they don't like outhouses

[0:26:30] Trustee Morrison: without coordinating with viha more deeply about like what and and did they actually do any

[0:26:37] Trustee Morrison: Community consultation with us and like ask us so I I don't want to because we put this motion

[0:26:44] Trustee Morrison: in it's basically saying that we're supporting viha's move and and I don't want to do that

[0:26:48] Trustee Morrison: um I do think it's probably worth a conversation at some point after we get into conversation with

[0:26:53] Trustee Morrison: with VEHA about what their concern is

[0:26:55] Trustee Morrison: for the community to talk about,

[0:26:57] Trustee Morrison: I would love to see that community meeting.

[0:27:00] Trustee Morrison: So just because I think there has been, just to be clear,

[0:27:06] Trustee Morrison: there has been some concerns with outhouses

[0:27:08] Trustee Morrison: on North Pender in the past and incorrectly located ones,

[0:27:13] Trustee Morrison: but that VEHA didn't enforce on at the time.

[0:27:15] Trustee Morrison: And so like understanding clearly in conversation with VEHA

[0:27:20] Trustee Morrison: and it's their responsibility frankly not ours but like we can telegraph their intent more clearly

[0:27:28] Trustee Morrison: if we understand it and agree with what it is that they're and why they're doing it um and

[0:27:33] Trustee Morrison: without that conversation i don't want to put it in our bylaws yeah

[0:27:37] Trustee Maude: i would certainly say that like

[0:27:39] Trustee Maude: there there seems to be a change in interpretation because for instance on main island we have this

[0:27:45] Trustee Maude: camel bay music festival which attracts over a thousand people to on the site and the approved

[0:27:50] Trustee Maude: waste disposal on that site are six privies that are dug in the ground um and that's uh that's

[0:27:57] Trustee Maude: through their tup with ian's trust and it's and it's also overseen by diha and approved by the

[0:28:03] Trustee Maude: health officer um so in the past diha has been quite happy even though the regulation seems to

[0:28:10] Trustee Maude: be dated from the the province they've been happy to accept and said it's the most ecologically

[0:28:16] Trustee Maude: friendly way of doing things so from my understanding it's a new health officer with

[0:28:21] Trustee Maude: a new interpretation i understand that also goes to your soups and other issues on the island so

[0:28:27] Trustee Maude: i think there's a bigger issue um it's an interpretation issue and i i just think the

[0:28:34] Trustee Maude: trust should sort of keep its nose out of it right now until we get it figured out

[0:28:38] Trustee Morrison: um but i think um david to to that point like is it helpful kim for us as a ltc to actually

[0:28:47] Trustee Morrison: like move the the staff write a letter draft a letter to viha stating our need to get into

[0:28:53] Trustee Morrison: conversation with them more deeply around the issues of multiple issues like this and like

[0:28:58] Trustee Morrison: list out those issues yeah

[0:29:00] Voice 2: i mean we don't necessarily necessarily have to have a formal

[0:29:03] Voice 2: motion but i could reach out to island health and invite them to one of the ltc meetings

[0:29:08] Voice 2: that'd

[0:29:09] Voice 3: be great and they

[0:29:10] Voice 2: could speak to the regulations at hand yeah or

[0:29:13] Voice 8: or is or is that

[0:29:16] Voice 8: starting uh like does that conversation even need to happen i'm just thinking about like watching

[0:29:23] Voice 8: what watching what happened with the soup thing it escalated from somebody not being allowed to

[0:29:29] Voice 8: sell soup to Zoom meetings with Adam Olson and Paul Brent over how to change or put pressure

[0:29:37] Voice 8: on VEHA to change their position on something like that, where it probably never needed

[0:29:44] Voice 8: to be.

[0:29:46] Voice 8: So if we initiate a discussion about this with them, are we just opening ourselves up

[0:29:51] Voice 8: to actually having to deal with the situation now and make a motion and a ruling on how

[0:30:00] Voice 8: houses on north bender

[0:30:01] Voice 3: island so i

[0:30:06] Trustee Morrison: i guess aaron i i think that the i think that we need viha in

[0:30:12] Trustee Morrison: conversation with us because they're doing stuff here already and our role in the in this work is

[0:30:18] Trustee Morrison: not to get into their business but it's to coordinate that for our community and so like

[0:30:23] Trustee Morrison: i think in our coordination role in the ltc i'm less optimistic maybe dave i david i should be

[0:30:32] Trustee Morrison: be more optimistic, but I'm less optimistic about getting anywhere at the trust council level.

[0:30:36] Trustee Morrison: But if we, as an LTC invite and have face-to-face conversations, and I don't know, Kim, that I would

[0:30:42] Trustee Morrison: be in an LTC meeting. I'm not sure that I want that for what Aaron's saying. I don't know if

[0:30:47] Trustee Morrison: it's an LTC meeting that I want them invited into. I want them in our community, talking to people in

[0:30:51] Trustee Morrison: our community to have to like answer directly to people who are choked about the soup thing and

[0:30:57] Trustee Morrison: about you know want to give feedback on the outhouses and i don't want us to be the ones

[0:31:02] Trustee Morrison: who are seen to be decision makers on that because frankly we're not yeah

[0:31:07] Voice 2: so yeah it sounds like

[0:31:08] Voice 2: there's a larger issue here with island health and their their lack of transparency so that could be

[0:31:13] Voice 2: then an advocacy letter to island health asking them to reach out to the north pender community

[0:31:18] Voice 2: and to set up a date where they could be in a public setting and answering questions

[0:31:23] Voice 2: that

[0:31:24] Trustee Morrison: would be great

[0:31:25] Trustee Maude: yep but i would also suggest that that might be all islands

[0:31:28] Trustee Maude: because i know maine's been touched by this i suspect saturn has um so it's this isn't a one

[0:31:36] Trustee Maude: issue um one community thing it seems to be many issues um across the southern islands

[0:31:42] Trustee Maude: but

[0:31:43] Trustee Morrison: i guess i guess the problem being that like we can only speak for the north pender

[0:31:48] Trustee Morrison: in this LTC and other LTCs if they do a similar letter and we can share maybe we if we write a

[0:31:55] Trustee Morrison: letter and then Kim share it with the other LTCs intentionally so that we know we're doing it and

[0:32:00] Trustee Morrison: they can do it too.

[0:32:02] Trustee Maude: I would suspect Kim may want to talk to Narissa because I we sort of have

[0:32:06] Trustee Maude: similar motions in place on Maine coming up yes.

[0:32:12] Voice 2: Okay so that's something that I could just

[0:32:14] Voice 2: informally bring either to the march meeting if that may be too late i'm not sure how the ltc

[0:32:20] Voice 2: feels or i can bring it to the special meeting on february 25th the draft motion so february 25th

[0:32:28] Trustee Maude: okay yeah thank you thank you

[0:32:31] Trustee Morrison: all

[0:32:31] Trustee Maude: right and trustee martin you had some other points

[0:32:35] Trustee Morrison: um yeah there was um so i'm assuming that everything else that was in the staff

[0:32:40] Trustee Morrison: report is already in the bylaws in some informal way you're just kind of clarifying how it's in

[0:32:47] Trustee Morrison: the bylaws so like the residential lighting and some of these other pieces so

[0:32:52] Voice 2: it's either in the

[0:32:52] Voice 2: bylaw or it's not in the bylaw for a specific reason and so the as i mentioned in the staff

[0:32:59] Voice 2: report the residential outdoor lighting it's really beyond the jurisdiction of the islands

[0:33:04] Voice 2: Islands Trust it lies with the CRD and so the in terms of you having some type of night sky by-law

[0:33:14] Voice 2: Bowen Island was able to adopt this night sky by-law based on the municipality being empowered

[0:33:22] Voice 2: by section 60 for the Community Charter which the Islands Trust does not have that Authority

[0:33:29] Trustee Morrison: So can I make a motion that, so our community has named this as a concern. It's a very fine

[0:33:36] Trustee Morrison: gray line problem. And I do feel like we as an LTC need to name that forward to the CRD. So can

[0:33:46] Trustee Morrison: we as an LTC draft a letter to the CRD so that we're seen to carefully pass the buck as opposed

[0:33:53] Trustee Morrison: to push it back to community to pass the buck yep okay um can i make a motion i would let that on

[0:33:59] Trustee Morrison: the record and what does that need to sound like any ideas um

[0:34:06] Voice 2: for staff let's see uh so the ltc

[0:34:11] Voice 2: direct staff to write a letter to the capital regional district expressing concern with outdoor

[0:34:20] Voice 2: door lighting and um wishing the crd would address the nuisance identified by the north

[0:34:29] Voice 2: pender community something along the lines of that okay

[0:34:32] Trustee Morrison: um who's taking notes

[0:34:35] Voice 2: or if it could

[0:34:37] Trustee Morrison: be worded a little bit better no no it's okay i just didn't know pat's name

[0:34:40] Trustee Morrison: because i don't see it on my screen so sorry pat is she here

[0:34:43] Trustee Maude: so if

[0:34:47] Voice 3: pat can read back on that when

[0:34:48] Voice 3: she's ready yeah is pat here i hope so she's

[0:34:57] Voice 5: having some trouble with her connectivity i was

[0:35:00] Voice 5: gonna say i don't see if you want to maybe email or type it out for her would that be okay let's

[0:35:07] Voice 2: see if i can type it in the chat i'm just gonna try to find my chat link here disappeared i'm

[0:35:12] Trustee Morrison: gonna do it kim i'll type

[0:35:13] Voice 2: okay great thank you um

[0:35:15] Trustee Morrison: so just i i just need a moment then

[0:35:23] Voice 3: and robin

[0:35:24] Voice 2: when uh trustee morrison puts it in the chat could you copy and paste that because

[0:35:27] Voice 2: i don't have the ability to look at chat when i'm sharing my screen okay yeah i can that would

[0:35:33] Voice 5: be

[0:35:33] Voice 2: great thank you so

[0:35:36] Voice 3: just while deb is typing that out um for the for the um the other in

[0:35:50] Voice 8: or I guess industrial use things that are already in the bylaw in the bylaw review

[0:35:59] Voice 8: they've already received second reading and so in order to to look at any of that stuff or to

[0:36:08] Voice 8: change any of that stuff we would have to do the rescind that's right and then work on them before

[0:36:14] Voice 8: for the 25th of February,

[0:36:16] Voice 8: with the whole being that we had something tidied up

[0:36:21] Voice 8: in time to take to that meeting on the 25th.

[0:36:24] Voice 8: You've got it.

[0:36:25] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:36:27] Trustee Morrison: And I'm understanding that we potentially,

[0:36:29] Trustee Morrison: yeah, so there, if we'd wanna make any,

[0:36:32] Trustee Morrison: so two things about that, Erin.

[0:36:34] Trustee Morrison: One, I think, Kim, you're potentially suggesting

[0:36:37] Trustee Morrison: that we do a rescind so we go into the February 25th meeting

[0:36:41] Trustee Morrison: with draft or with proposed bylaws.

[0:36:45] Voice 2: that's right or with a

[0:36:46] Voice 2: draft bylaw with a draft bylaw a

[0:36:48] Trustee Morrison: draft bylaw being not second reading

[0:36:51] Trustee Morrison: not

[0:36:52] Voice 2: second nor first yeah

[0:36:54] Trustee Morrison: right so my understanding is that we should put motions on the table today

[0:36:58] Trustee Morrison: to rescind so that we're going in with something that is malleable on the 25th so i would do that

[0:37:05] Trustee Morrison: at some point after we do this potentially yeah

[0:37:08] Voice 8: that's sorry that's that's what i was trying to

[0:37:10] Voice 8: get at I was going to just sort of say like I don't know when we need to do that but soon yeah

[0:37:16] Voice 2: so um I did in these recommendations put forward draft recommendations to rescind second and first

[0:37:24] Voice 2: reading for all bylaws and then I also oh this jumps around I apologize and then I also put in

[0:37:30] Voice 2: draft motions to amend um the bylaws um what I can do though is quickly just delete some of the

[0:37:38] Voice 2: ones that you've expressed clearly um the privies um we can take that out but so you do need to

[0:37:44] Voice 2: rescind second and first and then you can make amendments to the to the draft bylaw yeah and i

[0:37:50] Trustee Morrison: think we're i i can see how to start to step through that that's on page uh seven aaron some

[0:37:56] Trustee Morrison: of those motions um can we finish up this letter one uh yeah

[0:38:01] Trustee Maude: just so everybody's aware of past

[0:38:04] Trustee Maude: she's emailed me that her emails or her internet's totally failed so she's coming down to join me

[0:38:10] Trustee Maude: in her office so she's probably five minutes out or so for the recording part of things so

[0:38:16] Trustee Maude: I don't know if you want to just defer doing motions and carry forward or if you just want

[0:38:21] Trustee Maude: to pause for now when

[0:38:23] Voice 2: I take a five minute break and I can even tweak my my presentation as well

[0:38:28] Voice 2: off is

[0:38:29] Trustee Maude: that okay with everybody yes

[0:38:31] Trustee Morrison: that's okay okay

[0:38:33] Trustee Maude: so we'll just um we'll pause everything um

[0:38:38] Trustee Maude: for five minutes if robin's there she can put a little note up that we're just paused for five

[0:38:45] Trustee Maude: minutes okay

[0:38:46] Trustee Morrison: i move that the north pender local trust committee directs staff to write a letter

[0:38:50] Trustee Morrison: to the crd to address the issue of outdoor lighting as described in the staff report of

[0:38:55] Trustee Morrison: north pender ltc of february 10th to 2023.

[0:38:59] Trustee Maude: okay and pat you have that i've

[0:39:04] Voice 9: got most of it i can

[0:39:05] Voice 9: get it from the tape okay

[0:39:07] Trustee Maude: and if you go to the chat it is python in the chat okay

[0:39:11] Voice 9: um so and

[0:39:13] Trustee Maude: trustee oh i

[0:39:14] Voice 9: see okay yep i got it

[0:39:15] Trustee Maude: seconding that okay so any further discussion if not we'll call

[0:39:22] Trustee Maude: All the questions,

[0:39:23] Voice 3: all in favor?

[0:39:25] Voice 3: Okay, then that carries.

[0:39:29] Voice 2: What I'll do is I'll go back to sharing my screen.

[0:39:32] Voice 3: Perfect.

[0:39:33] Voice 2: Oh dear.

[0:39:34] Voice 3: Oh, pretty kids.

[0:39:37] Voice 2: They look cute in the picture, but.

[0:39:41] Trustee Morrison: Kim, if I can ask a couple other quick questions

[0:39:44] Trustee Morrison: before we do any kind of rescinding motions.

[0:39:46] Trustee Morrison: So the only concern I have in rescinding the bylaws

[0:39:49] Trustee Morrison: from second and first reading is that

[0:39:52] Trustee Morrison: we've spent a long time in community

[0:39:54] Trustee Morrison: And I know we are new LTC, but I just need us to be aware and respectful of the length of time that this has been going on in community and not open every issue up.

[0:40:04] Trustee Morrison: If there are particular feedback, like at the community information meeting that we can like listen to and think about, that's great.

[0:40:12] Trustee Morrison: But like part of the work that we've done around, for instance, house size is to try and come to some consensus about those things.

[0:40:19] Trustee Morrison: So I'd like to know now if Trustee Mott or Trustee Campbell has issues with anything that's not currently on the list of things that we're thinking to change by opening these up.

[0:40:35] Voice 8: Yeah, I think, I mean, I know for myself, for the feedback that I have gotten in the community is that there wasn't consensus for people with where a lot of this stuff was headed.

[0:40:54] Voice 8: So I'm not sure how to pick and choose through it, you know, and sort of cherry pick out what's important and what isn't just in talking to people and needing to have the conversation about why we ended up right there.

[0:41:15] Voice 8: You know, I already know that there's some issues with the way that a certain property has been written up in the land use bylaw, the proposed land use bylaw that's led to issues with enforcement already.

[0:41:34] Voice 8: So, you know, there's, I think, kind of, to me, you have to start again

[0:41:41] Voice 3: if it's new people.

[0:41:48] Voice 3: David?

[0:41:52] Voice 3: Yeah, and I would say, like, I'm very neutral

[0:41:55] Trustee Maude: on this because I mean on you guys depend around you guys know your community and you know what's going on in the history of this file so I just I will remain very

[0:42:06] Voice 3: neutral on this situation.

[0:42:10] Voice 3: I don't know what that means because no I'm just

[0:42:16] Trustee Morrison: being honest. Okay.

[0:42:17] Trustee Morrison: okay but I don't

[0:42:18] Trustee Morrison: know what that means because like first of all I think community conversations

[0:42:25] Trustee Morrison: about these are important and we have had a lot of opportunities there are people on this island

[0:42:31] Trustee Morrison: that will say for sure and I've said to me like well there's no consultation on this I'm like

[0:42:36] Trustee Morrison: okay what and Kim you can get the statistics on it but how many meetings have we had that we've

[0:42:42] Trustee Morrison: like shared and learned and thought with them and we're continuing those meetings and we moved it

[0:42:48] Trustee Morrison: into this term, Aaron, specifically to be able to ensure that we address some of these issues.

[0:42:53] Trustee Morrison: That doesn't mean reversing a decision because it just means opening up that conversation a

[0:43:01] Trustee Morrison: little bit more deeply. So I want us to be extremely careful before we completely reverse

[0:43:07] Trustee Morrison: something that's already written in here, because there's a lot of people that have written in that

[0:43:13] Trustee Morrison: have and like I actually think it's really important to go back and read all the correspondence

[0:43:18] Trustee Morrison: from the beginning of this file forward so that you get a really full vision because

[0:43:23] Voice 1: one of the

[0:43:23] Trustee Morrison: one of the things I was asked in the election um was you know that or told actually I was told in

[0:43:31] Trustee Morrison: the election that I didn't listen to community and that's frankly wrong it's just that I that

[0:43:38] Trustee Morrison: I had to weigh the voices of different portions of the community with what we understand to

[0:43:43] Trustee Morrison: be staff report, other kind of knowledge that we're bringing to bear on this.

[0:43:49] Trustee Morrison: And there's a lot of people in community more, frankly, than are against it who wanted it

[0:43:55] Trustee Morrison: this way.

[0:43:57] Trustee Morrison: And so I just need us to be cautious about listening to a few voices that might be the

[0:44:03] Trustee Morrison: loudest in this moment.

[0:44:04] Trustee Morrison: and to really if we're going to go back into community about this then we need to advertise

[0:44:08] Trustee Morrison: really clearly to everyone so we get all of those people out and hopefully we've done that yeah

[0:44:15] Voice 8: i i

[0:44:16] Voice 8: don't disagree at all i just i feel like for myself i i would never sign off on something

[0:44:23] Voice 8: that someone else has done like that's just never in business never been a wise way to conduct

[0:44:31] Voice 8: yourself and if somebody else has made a decision and i'm expected to to just accept that because

[0:44:38] Voice 8: it's already been done like it it will literally never happen um and and for me i would not be

[0:44:46] Voice 8: doing any sort of due diligence if i didn't at least have the opportunity to look at the things

[0:44:52] Voice 8: and and and weigh it against the same conversations with people you know they're that i i understand

[0:45:00] Voice 8: that there's you know we saw it in our first LTC meeting we had a very vocal group of people come

[0:45:07] Voice 8: to speak on an issue at the beginning of the LTC meeting and and that meeting played out and since

[0:45:15] Voice 8: I've had equal or more people come very strongly opposed to how the beginning of that meeting

[0:45:25] Voice 8: meeting started and so it's there are very very vocal factions in our community

[0:45:31] Voice 8: um not all of who are going to show up to a meeting to speak on something um and and we

[0:45:39] Voice 8: have to figure out how to get that get that those groups of people together to figure out what is

[0:45:46] Voice 8: going on and more more engagement and so to me the idea of rescinding it to start over again

[0:45:52] Voice 8: It only gives us two weeks, basically, to try to come up with something in draft bylaw that can be brought to a community meeting, but that's maybe what it needs to be.

[0:46:09] Voice 8: Like, I don't know.

[0:46:10] Voice 8: I don't have an answer for the length of time that it's taken because, for me, I've only been involved in it for three or four months, right?

[0:46:20] Voice 8: Right.

[0:46:22] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. So two or three things to think about, like, as we go forward on this.

[0:46:26] Trustee Morrison: So one is and this is this is a pros and cons. Right.

[0:46:31] Trustee Morrison: So like when when I started in the LTC last term, I inherited a bunch of decisions I totally disagreed with.

[0:46:41] Trustee Morrison: And part of those I had to live with because they were already past motions of things that just had to live with.

[0:46:48] Trustee Morrison: And we had to do the next best thing that we could do.

[0:46:52] Trustee Morrison: Some of the things that we did were pushed back against like the, in particular, the things with James Island, we pushed back on a decision that was made in a way that we could, that was legally appropriate.

[0:47:06] Trustee Morrison: We can, because this is not past, we and, you know, like, we can by vote of the three of us decide to open these up and, you know, to make the best decision for community, there are things that I think we need to consider potentially opening them up for.

[0:47:21] Trustee Morrison: the concern I have is that we are not starting from the beginning and we did inherit regardless

[0:47:28] Trustee Morrison: of who we are as individuals we did inherit three years of work on this that was in our

[0:47:35] Trustee Morrison: community in conversations and we have to be respectful of that and so because it's not just

[0:47:41] Trustee Morrison: about me or my decisions or just about the last LTC and their decisions are just about you and

[0:47:45] Trustee Morrison: your knowledge and like you know comfort with these it is about understanding completely the

[0:47:52] Trustee Morrison: history of it before we tinker with it too much so I'm happy to like open it up to think very

[0:47:59] Trustee Morrison: specifically right now and then work with can listen to community on the 25th understand what

[0:48:06] Trustee Morrison: the concerns are I think David we should also have some clarification because this came up last term

[0:48:12] Trustee Morrison: too, that fortunately or unfortunately, we can only make decisions based on information that

[0:48:18] Trustee Morrison: we can rationalize in a public and transparent way. So we have to have community members voice

[0:48:25] Trustee Morrison: their concerns in a way that we can all see. I can't just take your word for it that you're

[0:48:30] Trustee Morrison: talking to people, nor can you take my word for it that I'm talking to people. We all three of us

[0:48:36] Trustee Morrison: need to see clearly and hear clearly that shared public information to be able to make real

[0:48:41] Trustee Morrison: decisions that are transparent so if we can have some clarification on that too that would be

[0:48:46] Trustee Morrison: helpful and it's and it's difficult because in a small community not everybody feels safe coming

[0:48:50] Trustee Morrison: forward when there are issues like this and that's the dilemma that people have been experiencing

[0:48:55] Trustee Morrison: and that's why we try to keep these meetings safe and respectful but at the same time like

[0:49:00] Trustee Morrison: it's a real thing yeah

[0:49:05] Voice 3: so i think the way that the staff wants to do is

[0:49:09] Trustee Maude: do the rescinding

[0:49:12] Trustee Maude: and and wants to sort of sort of start not start again but basically if the if anything needs to be

[0:49:20] Trustee Maude: changed or amended that that's sort of the process that we need to to sort of follow to make it work

[0:49:26] Trustee Maude: um i don't think i'm hearing expressions of starting from scratch and ripping up three

[0:49:32] Trustee Maude: years worth of work but perhaps based on the the input at the next meeting from the public

[0:49:38] Trustee Maude: if there might be some reconsideration

[0:49:40] Trustee Maude: or maybe some changes come forward, I don't know.

[0:49:43] Trustee Maude: But I also do respect, you know,

[0:49:46] Trustee Maude: almost every LTC that I've attended in the past year,

[0:49:50] Trustee Maude: as somebody has said,

[0:49:51] Trustee Maude: I didn't attend because they had fears.

[0:49:55] Trustee Maude: And that's something that we need to work on

[0:49:58] Trustee Maude: as our local trust committee

[0:49:59] Trustee Maude: and all the rest of the local trust committees

[0:50:02] Trustee Maude: of making sure it is a safe place

[0:50:04] Trustee Maude: for people to attend and work and express opinions and if people are afraid or have fear that's not

[0:50:14] Trustee Maude: right.

[0:50:14] Trustee Morrison: Yeah and David just to clarify I don't think that fear per se is the issue in our LTC

[0:50:21] Trustee Morrison: now I think it might have been at the beginning but I think we've done a lot of work in the last

[0:50:24] Trustee Morrison: four years to eliminate that to some degree I think the bigger issue is the timing of the

[0:50:29] Trustee Morrison: meetings are atrocious for people who are working and so like that's why we're doing the Saturday

[0:50:34] Trustee Morrison: Saturday meetings to try and get that yeah into the space but

[0:50:37] Trustee Maude: that would be perhaps on Saturday

[0:50:39] Trustee Maude: with the Saturday meeting that there actually might be a different set of perspectives at the

[0:50:43] Trustee Maude: table yes

[0:50:45] Trustee Morrison: and there will be perspectives that aren't there because the old growth demonstration

[0:50:48] Trustee Morrison: of Victoria is going on on the same day okay so

[0:50:53] Voice 3: where are we and where do we want to go

[0:51:00] Trustee Morrison: so I guess my question would be to answer that is what do we need to change in here that requires us

[0:51:05] Trustee Morrison: to rescind okay

[0:51:08] Trustee Maude: plan to stop through the order sort of i'm

[0:51:11] Voice 2: happy to jump in i'm going to go

[0:51:13] Voice 2: back to sharing my screen because it's easier for me to remember bring

[0:51:17] Trustee Morrison: that up and kim i i have the

[0:51:19] Trustee Morrison: short list i kind of want to do this like reasonably quickly because my my understanding

[0:51:23] Trustee Morrison: of the short list is yes there is the thing on the front we haven't changed the rural residential

[0:51:30] Trustee Morrison: thing that would be one that had would have to be changed yeah

[0:51:33] Voice 2: that'll be it's for that would

[0:51:35] Voice 2: be bylaw 23 223 and 229 but in terms of um what staff has put forward to amend bylaw 224

[0:51:43] Voice 2: it's the subdivision regulations adding a definition for compost facility and um oh right

[0:51:52] Voice 2: and potentially um oh gosh did i put two in there together to create a site-specific community zone

[0:52:00] Voice 2: and then also to potentially um rezoned 3334 Port Washington Road those are the four items that I'm

[0:52:09] Voice 2: looking for direction on so

[0:52:11] Trustee Morrison: of those things I I do think we're going to have to open it up to

[0:52:14] Trustee Morrison: include those things of those things the um and the Port Wash Road was Braden's right yes so there

[0:52:21] Trustee Morrison: was no consensus whatsoever about including the industrial land rezoning like I talked to

[0:52:30] Trustee Morrison: every single one of those properties on Port Wash. And with the exception of Braden, there was

[0:52:37] Trustee Morrison: not consensus about having industrial rezoning be part of this. It was pulled for a reason because

[0:52:45] Trustee Morrison: people wanted industrial zoning to be a separate issue, not in a joint land use bylaw like this.

[0:52:52] Trustee Morrison: For Braden to have to come individually and ask for it and work with neighbors,

[0:52:55] Trustee Morrison: because there's not consensus at all that that's a good place to be rezoned.

[0:53:00] Trustee Morrison: and not even close to consensus, like not even close to majority opinion that that should be

[0:53:05] Trustee Morrison: done.

[0:53:07] Voice 2: So if this isn't included, then the applicant would have to come forward with a

[0:53:12] Voice 2: rezoning application. It's a land use bylaw amendment. They would not need to change their

[0:53:18] Voice 2: OCP designation because it's already designated as industrial. Just

[0:53:23] Voice 2: wanted to make that clear.

[0:53:24] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. So that it would be a regular land use zoning requirement. And there's been multiple

[0:53:30] Trustee Morrison: people, George LaRue from the farm came and talked against industrial rezoning up there.

[0:53:36] Trustee Morrison: I've had conversations with multiple business owners up there. They're not for it either.

[0:53:41] Trustee Morrison: So that is something that I feel should be done on an individual zoning basis,

[0:53:46] Trustee Morrison: not something that should be done as part of this zoning effort.

[0:53:51] Voice 2: So depending on how the other members of the LTC feel, you could put forward a motion that

[0:53:58] Voice 2: includes those first three um uh points and then if a trustee feels as though the tup should be

[0:54:06] Voice 2: included in bylaw 224 then that trustee can put forward the motion separately on poor washington

[0:54:12] Voice 2: road we could do it that way so

[0:54:18] Voice 3: so in as a separate line item the three three three four

[0:54:26] Voice 3: or Fort Wash Road,

[0:54:28] Voice 8: the rezoning, it already has a temporary use permit on it for industrial use?

[0:54:39] Voice 8: That's correct, yes. And it's zoned? Rural. Rural, but what were you saying about in the OCP?

[0:54:48] Voice 2: Yeah, it's designated as industrial, so the future land use for that parcel, it's been

[0:54:55] Voice 2: been identified as industrial there's a few properties there's a hub there that are designated

[0:55:01] Voice 2: as industrial well

[0:55:02] Trustee Morrison: and to be clear kim it's it's designated as that in the ocp it doesn't mean that

[0:55:08] Trustee Morrison: it moves in that direction it still has to be done parcel by parcel with agreement by the community

[0:55:13] Trustee Morrison: i

[0:55:15] Voice 7: think the tup is expired actually oh did it

[0:55:19] Voice 7: i think i think if it's not hasn't expired it's

[0:55:22] Voice 7: about two okay

[0:55:23] Voice 8: are are all of those properties then in that area in the same boat no most most

[0:55:31] Voice 7: of them are both are designated as industrial in the ocp and zoned as well industrial this one

[0:55:39] Voice 7: is designated industrial but not zoned industrial i think it's just the lower portion of that

[0:55:44] Voice 7: property it's not the slope and above right

[0:55:47] Voice 3: okay

[0:55:50] Voice 7: and so

[0:55:52] Voice 7: the you know the i guess the in theory

[0:55:54] Voice 7: we're in principle the intent is that at some point in the future that has been identified as

[0:55:59] Voice 7: a location for industrial use in the future but if the other

[0:56:04] Voice 8: if the other if the other

[0:56:07] Voice 8: lots surrounding it are already zoned industrial why would that become an issue

[0:56:13] Voice 8: it's

[0:56:15] Voice 7: industrial on one side and rural on the other side um industrial across the street

[0:56:22] Voice 7: where the highways yard is than rural.

[0:56:26] Voice 7: So it's a bit of a transitional sort of area.

[0:56:28] Voice 7: So I guess,

[0:56:29] Trustee Maude: as Justice Morrison,

[0:56:31] Trustee Maude: what would be the harm in doing this amendment to the draft,

[0:56:37] Trustee Maude: taking it to the Saturday meeting

[0:56:38] Trustee Maude: and seeing what the public says,

[0:56:41] Trustee Maude: which sort of gives a road forward?

[0:56:45] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, we've done that.

[0:56:46] Trustee Morrison: We had it in one version of this.

[0:56:50] Trustee Morrison: that's why we've gone back and forth for three years and it looks like the committee so we can

[0:56:56] Trustee Morrison: leave it as is and if people want to come in and talk about it that way and add it into industrial

[0:57:00] Trustee Morrison: weekend the same argument can be made so um but the the history of why there was pushback in that

[0:57:08] Trustee Morrison: area around that um is it's so the yard across the street has heavy equipment but not very frequent

[0:57:15] Trustee Morrison: use back and forth there generally speaking the hardware store has more traffic but and some big

[0:57:23] Trustee Morrison: trucks but again most of those big trucks are it's not really like heavy dirty kind of stuff

[0:57:28] Trustee Morrison: Braden's yard is quite significant traffic relatively to those other two uses and a lot

[0:57:34] Trustee Morrison: more like dust pulled out because of the types of things they're moving and there are concerns up

[0:57:40] Trustee Morrison: and down that road about the the road quality and the weight of all that the actual because it's

[0:57:45] Trustee Morrison: heavy too like the stuff they're moving and so the weight up there and the dust it's throwing up on

[0:57:50] Trustee Morrison: the organic farm there there is there was a move at one point because ben had thought about like

[0:57:56] Trustee Morrison: well is that a hub up there the question is there's like multiple places are already zoned

[0:58:02] Trustee Morrison: on the island for that type of operation and there are other locations that it could be done it's

[0:58:08] Trustee Morrison: It's just that, so the temporary use permit there

[0:58:11] Trustee Morrison: isn't necessarily the intention of it being there.

[0:58:15] Trustee Morrison: It's because Braden's, Braden or Braden's grandfather

[0:58:18] Trustee Morrison: owns that land and it was an available piece

[0:58:21] Trustee Morrison: for him to work on.

[0:58:22] Trustee Morrison: And so it was a temporary use of it.

[0:58:24] Trustee Morrison: But there are other areas that are potential

[0:58:26] Trustee Morrison: like the old Gulf excavating site

[0:58:28] Trustee Morrison: or the site beside the recycling depot

[0:58:30] Trustee Morrison: that are already zoned in that vein

[0:58:32] Trustee Morrison: and could be a much better use of like a much better location

[0:58:36] Trustee Morrison: for that type of heavier truck traffic so that's kind of the history of like the conversation and

[0:58:43] Trustee Morrison: community that's gone on related to that and so it's not about not having a place to operate out

[0:58:49] Trustee Morrison: i would be okay with doing another temporary use permit or figuring out until like you know

[0:58:53] Trustee Morrison: the better or having him apply for an industrial zoning and having a one like a bigger conversation

[0:58:59] Trustee Morrison: centered on that the problem i'm having is that we had intentionally pulled industrial more general

[0:59:06] Trustee Morrison: industrial use we kept the boat thing because it was a separate kind of industrial use but we pulled

[0:59:12] Trustee Morrison: the rest of the industrial stuff out of this and it feels like we're preferentially addressing like

[0:59:19] Trustee Morrison: because the property next to him has also got some questions about rezoning industrial but

[0:59:23] Trustee Morrison: is not being included so i feel like industrial operations especially heavy equipment like that

[0:59:29] Trustee Morrison: need to be singular conversations with the community okay

[0:59:36] Voice 3: so I guess

[0:59:39] Trustee Maude: you have history

[0:59:42] Trustee Maude: with this I don't know how much history of Robert or Trustee Campbell has um with this

[0:59:50] Trustee Maude: I just for the way I like to do things personally is I like it to sort of be on the table

[0:59:56] Trustee Maude: so that the public sort of has the ability to look

[0:59:59] Trustee Maude: You're lucky.

[1:00:00] Trustee Maude: at it and give the feedback because if it's not on the table then we don't get the feedback

[1:00:06] Voice 8: it seems it's one of those things it's it's difficult to try to try to address what you're

[1:00:16] Voice 8: hearing from the community before you have a meeting to hear from the community like it it

[1:00:23] Voice 8: seems like it seems like that's like is kind of a you go first reading second reading and then you

[1:00:30] Voice 8: you have a community a big community meeting about it um and it kind of seems backwards to my brain

[1:00:37] Voice 8: but um I know that you know I know that this is is something that has to be dealt with and I know

[1:00:46] Voice 8: that the the lot next door also has you know did you know it's being it's rural obviously we have

[1:00:55] Voice 8: have just said and and it's has industrial uses to it as well and and so maybe it does

[1:01:00] Voice 8: make sense to have more of a of a specific um industrial conversation about stuff like that

[1:01:08] Voice 8: as it pertains to um you know rezoning of rural land into um an industrial like it's quite a

[1:01:20] Voice 8: a different change um

[1:01:23] Voice 3: but yeah I don't know that that

[1:01:27] Voice 8: necessarily has to be in there to be addressed

[1:01:32] Voice 8: right now I'm I don't know it's yeah I

[1:01:36] Voice 8: don't have a lot of history you know background or history on

[1:01:39] Voice 8: it um other than personally knowing Brayden and then there hasn't even really been a big conversation

[1:01:45] Voice 8: conversation about what it is so um you know I think I think as long as it isn't affecting his

[1:01:55] Voice 8: ability to continue to operate a business on our island right now um to have a bigger conversation

[1:02:01] Voice 8: a site-specific bigger conversation about it probably does fit quite well yeah

[1:02:08] Trustee Morrison: and just to

[1:02:09] Trustee Morrison: To be clear, I have talked to Braden multiple times about

[1:02:12] Trustee Morrison: this, and there's nothing that I'm

[1:02:17] Trustee Morrison: saying that's saying that Braden would stop working on that site. It's all like, except

[1:02:23] Trustee Morrison: Robert would have, obviously, I have to check the TUP because it should be renewed, but Braden's

[1:02:27] Trustee Morrison: probably waiting for a decision on all this, if this is being telegraphed as something that

[1:02:32] Trustee Morrison: potentially is included and and also these are two separate things the opening up of the the we

[1:02:40] Trustee Morrison: have to do that it seems for the other things that we need to do so we can just go ahead and

[1:02:43] Trustee Morrison: rescind those we have to open it up I'm not debating that I'm debating whether we should

[1:02:48] Trustee Morrison: have the industrial thing added or not and David to your point we did have it in at one point and

[1:02:54] Trustee Morrison: then it was taken out from community conversation so I would rather leave it as taken out for the

[1:02:59] Trustee Morrison: community to comment on at this moment so we're not reversing something that was already agreed on

[1:03:04] Trustee Morrison: if people really feel strongly that it needs to be in then we need to hear that clearly and have it

[1:03:09] Trustee Morrison: in writing or verbally in the meeting yeah

[1:03:12] Trustee Maude: i think that's my only concern is if we take it out

[1:03:15] Trustee Maude: then it's not part of the conversation it's

[1:03:18] Trustee Morrison: not even in right now because it was taken out yeah

[1:03:21] Trustee Maude: so that's what i guess all right let me put it the other way if it's not put back in then it's

[1:03:27] Trustee Maude: not part of that Saturday conversation because literally we're taking off people's radars.

[1:03:32] Trustee Morrison: It isn't off people's radar in this community so that is a well-known issue in this community.

[1:03:39] Trustee Maude: Okay so we just that's all I'm saying is you know it's I like more in the process

[1:03:47] Trustee Maude: but you two understand your community far better than I do so.

[1:03:52] Trustee Morrison: Yeah and we have done things like

[1:03:55] Trustee Morrison: like that in the past, specifically for that reason, David,

[1:03:58] Trustee Morrison: like we put things into the TEP at different,

[1:04:01] Trustee Morrison: or into the bylaws at different points

[1:04:03] Trustee Morrison: that I really didn't agree with just to get feedback

[1:04:06] Trustee Morrison: and really instigate conversation around that.

[1:04:09] Trustee Morrison: But those things we've iterated on those a lot.

[1:04:12] Trustee Morrison: And so this is the version that's, you know,

[1:04:15] Trustee Morrison: it's not consensus.

[1:04:16] Trustee Morrison: I don't know that consensus is purely achievable,

[1:04:18] Trustee Morrison: but it's closest to consensus without these other changes.

[1:04:22] Trustee Morrison: So, and Kim, if we can make sure that anything on the maps that is like the potential industrial designations like that OCP that when we go to the February 25th meeting, that we're really clear that those are only the lowland areas of those properties, not the full properties, because that's confusing community members too.

[1:04:41] Trustee Morrison: they think it's the whole property up the hill and there's just like all sorts of problems as

[1:04:47] Trustee Morrison: soon as you start to go up that hill because there's a move to create a little bit more shared

[1:04:52] Trustee Morrison: uh eco kind of region at the top of the hill that the property owners are kind of working on

[1:04:57] Trustee Morrison: collectively and if people think industrial land is going to go all up onto the hill it's going to

[1:05:02] Trustee Morrison: be a problem yeah

[1:05:03] Voice 1: it's just a small it's just the bottom portion yeah

[1:05:06] Trustee Maude: so just from from my

[1:05:10] Trustee Maude: information, those uplands properties or areas that you're talking about, are they all conjoined

[1:05:17] Trustee Maude: to industrial type uses?

[1:05:19] Trustee Morrison: They are not industrial on the hillside. They're industrial bottom near

[1:05:23] Trustee Morrison: the flat.

[1:05:24] Trustee Maude: But are properties up top, I guess what I'm getting at is that if we go to a rezoning

[1:05:33] Trustee Maude: or something, is that a potential negotiation point?

[1:05:38] Trustee Morrison: Maybe. So if it's individually negotiated

[1:05:41] Trustee Morrison: for rezoning at the bottom end of the property. It could be negotiated to put a covenant on the

[1:05:44] Trustee Morrison: top end, right? And that's something that you could have as a conversation if it's in a singular

[1:05:49] Trustee Morrison: thing, but in putting it into this kind of process totally removes that like ability to really do

[1:05:56] Trustee Morrison: that kind of conversation. Yeah. And then that actually happened, Kim, that, that happened

[1:06:03] Trustee Morrison: across the street with the yard when they wanted something, we ended up getting a covenant on the

[1:06:07] Trustee Morrison: the forest on the back side of that property because it was a they asked for some aspect

[1:06:12] Trustee Morrison: of rezoning so we actually have a forestry covenant on the back side of the main road

[1:06:15] Trustee Morrison: property now yeah

[1:06:17] Voice 2: so it sounds like that it may be left off the table for now yeah

[1:06:22] Trustee Morrison: i think so

[1:06:24] Voice 2: if the ltc is ready uh we can rescind second and first and again i don't want it to seem as though

[1:06:30] Voice 2: we're rewriting everything we're done this is just the easiest way to make some further amendments

[1:06:35] Voice 2: to the bylaws and to present those for the September,

[1:06:40] Voice 2: sorry, the February 25th meeting.

[1:06:43] Voice 2: So there's a rescind second reading up there on the screen

[1:06:46] Voice 2: if the LTC is ready to consider that.

[1:06:48] Voice 2: And this is for bylaw 224.

[1:06:51] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I'm good to put that on the table.

[1:06:53] Trustee Morrison: Everybody's good?

[1:06:54] Trustee Maude: Okay, so if someone wants to make that motion.

[1:06:59] Trustee Morrison: That's the different motion than I have in my package.

[1:07:01] Trustee Morrison: Is that the one you want read or is that the one-

[1:07:03] Voice 2: Yes, the one on the screen, yeah.

[1:07:04] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. Okay. That the second reading of bylaw number 224 cited as North Pender land use,

[1:07:10] Trustee Morrison: sorry, North Pender Island land use bylaw number 224-2022 be rescinded.

[1:07:16] Voice 3: All right. Pat, you have that? Yes, I copied it, Dan. Perfect. Thank you. So, seconder?

[1:07:29] Voice 3: Okay. And second sat. Any further discussion? Okay. We'll call the question. All in favor?

[1:07:37] Voice 3: that carries second motion

[1:07:40] Trustee Maude: that

[1:07:41] Trustee Morrison: the first reading of the bylaw number 224 cited as north pender

[1:07:45] Trustee Morrison: island land use bylaw number 224 2022 be resistant recent okay

[1:07:49] Trustee Maude: and we'll assume that pat has that so

[1:07:52] Trustee Maude: secondary i did

[1:07:53] Trustee Maude: okay comes to family discussion can

[1:07:57] Voice 3: you call the question on the favor and that

[1:07:59] Voice 3: carries and

[1:08:03] Voice 2: so this is the point where the ltc can consider amendments uh to draft bylaw number

[1:08:08] Voice 2: 224. There's, as I mentioned, the three there to update the subdivision regulations at a definition

[1:08:15] Voice 2: for compost facility, and then to create a site-specific community part two zone.

[1:08:21] Trustee Morrison: Can you give us the page number with the motion on it? Do you know it?

[1:08:26] Voice 2: There is no page number. These weren't included in the staff report. It's really what's on the

[1:08:30] Voice 2: screen. So that would be the motion right there.

[1:08:33] Trustee Morrison: Okay. I have a quick question about the

[1:08:35] Trustee Morrison: the subdivision regulations,

[1:08:37] Trustee Morrison: is that just the province's subdivision regulations

[1:08:40] Trustee Morrison: getting rewritten into this or what is that?

[1:08:43] Voice 2: Yeah, so

[1:08:43] Voice 2: through the sustainable,

[1:08:46] Voice 2: oh gosh, now I'm forgetting the word,

[1:08:49] Voice 2: the Reconciled Water Sustainability Project,

[1:08:53] Voice 2: Planner Chadwick and also William

[1:08:58] Voice 2: worked on amending all subdivision regulations,

[1:09:02] Voice 2: really updating the ones that

[1:09:05] Voice 2: multiple land use bylaws have included so they did a major upgrade to those

[1:09:10] Voice 2: but when galliana was actually about to adopt those new subdivision regulations there was

[1:09:15] Voice 2: further tweaks they had to make i'm not sure which ones they are yet um i know norris is going

[1:09:21] Voice 2: through that i'm not sure if robert may know um but i know that they're pretty minor robert are

[1:09:28] Voice 2: Are you aware of the further tweaks that need to be made?

[1:09:31] Voice 7: Well, maybe let's go back.

[1:09:33] Voice 7: So I think the North Pender LTC saw an early draft

[1:09:38] Voice 7: of the revised subdivision regulations

[1:09:41] Voice 7: in June of last year, I think.

[1:09:45] Voice 7: So there was the two elements

[1:09:47] Voice 7: that are part of the groundwater project.

[1:09:50] Voice 7: There's the potential development permit area

[1:09:52] Voice 7: and there's the potential subdivision

[1:09:54] Voice 7: servicing regulations update.

[1:09:55] Voice 7: date um and um the subdivision servicing regulations because they're entirely in the

[1:10:02] Voice 7: land use bylaw uh makes sense to just incorporate those into this land use bylaw review um so you

[1:10:08] Voice 7: saw an earlier draft of that i believe and um they would be the same as what galliano

[1:10:14] Voice 7: has looked at as well i

[1:10:17] Trustee Morrison: guess i'm a little bit nervous about putting some kind of regulations

[1:10:21] Trustee Morrison: in here that i don't know what they are and i i remember seeing the original versions but

[1:10:26] Trustee Morrison: Aaron won't have seen them and it's not that I don't think that subdivision regulations are good

[1:10:31] Trustee Morrison: in various ways I just have no idea what these are so like no idea but minimal idea of what the

[1:10:38] Trustee Morrison: language is and what those like any kind of changes and tweaks like they have real implications for

[1:10:42] Trustee Morrison: people and I just want to understand what those are so

[1:10:46] Voice 7: I guess the options are we can incorporate

[1:10:48] Voice 7: incorporated in the draft. And then, you know, on the 25th, you know, to gear some discussion towards that and have a presentation or leave them out for now and consider putting them in after the 25th and look at them separately.

[1:11:07] Voice 7: And

[1:11:08] Trustee Morrison: would we get a red line version of our current bylaws?

[1:11:11] Trustee Morrison: I

[1:11:11] Voice 2: was just going to say, yes, I could do for any changes now that we're in draft,

[1:11:16] Voice 2: I can do a red line version so you can see exactly what's been changed.

[1:11:21] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, because that's something that people have asked for multiple times.

[1:11:25] Trustee Morrison: And so if we could get to a point where we could see our current bylaws and the red line version,

[1:11:30] Trustee Morrison: then people can see very clearly what would change.

[1:11:33] Trustee Morrison: And that's going to, I mean, our bylaws were not that perfect before.

[1:11:37] Trustee Morrison: so obviously anyway sorry Aaron I couldn't

[1:11:39] Voice 8: no no no I was just gonna say like I my understanding

[1:11:43] Voice 8: of these three items was that we were bringing them forward so that they can be part of the 25th

[1:11:51] Voice 8: meeting so that we can have some discussion and stuff over it and I'm comfortable doing that

[1:11:55] Voice 8: sort of not knowing what the previous information was because it we will be able to change it

[1:12:02] Voice 8: after the fact right so that's right yeah and to see a red line version of it i think that helps

[1:12:08] Voice 8: like everybody involved in the in the uh the conversation okay

[1:12:24] Voice 3: trustee morrison if you're

[1:12:25] Voice 3: speaking you're muted i'm

[1:12:30] Trustee Morrison: mostly mumbling to myself but i'm i

[1:12:32] Voice 3: am

[1:12:34] Trustee Morrison: actually okay for the

[1:12:36] Trustee Morrison: subdivision regulations for that reason and that's the kind of thing here and that like

[1:12:41] Trustee Morrison: I'm actually generally okay to put things on the table.

[1:12:44] Trustee Morrison: I know I've seen like some version of them before and,

[1:12:47] Trustee Morrison: but yeah, so it's okay at this moment,

[1:12:50] Trustee Morrison: I think to include them

[1:12:51] Trustee Morrison: because I think there's not going to be anything radical.

[1:12:52] Trustee Morrison: I just want to see what the changes are.

[1:12:57] Trustee Morrison: And the boat storage one,

[1:12:59] Trustee Morrison: I know you showed us that again,

[1:13:01] Trustee Morrison: I just can't for the life of me remember

[1:13:03] Trustee Morrison: where it was exactly.

[1:13:04] Trustee Morrison: Oh, that was the park.

[1:13:05] Trustee Morrison: That was the park.

[1:13:06] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, good, good, yeah.

[1:13:08] Trustee Morrison: Okay, Erin, you want to do this one?

[1:13:12] Voice 8: oh sure uh that the north pender island local trust committee direct staff direct staff to

[1:13:21] Voice 8: amend draft bylaw number 224 to update the subdivision regulations add a definition for

[1:13:29] Voice 8: compost facility and to create a site-specific community park two zone that will be allowed for

[1:13:35] Voice 8: a boat storage structure okay

[1:13:38] Voice 3: and again pat has that yes i do perfect okay so secondary trustee

[1:13:48] Voice 3: morrison any further discussion if

[1:13:51] Trustee Maude: not we'll call the question all in favor and that carries

[1:13:57] Voice 2: okay um i just want to mention for all those community members that are following along

[1:14:02] Voice 2: right now listening or also will listen in the future i'm going to put this um powerpoint up

[1:14:09] Voice 2: on the project website as well. So you can take a look at that afterwards.

[1:14:12] Voice 3: Thank you. Perfect. Thank you.

[1:14:14] Voice 2: So the next potential amendments is regards to the Port Washington

[1:14:21] Voice 2: road site. So if the LTC feels as though, I'm just going to quickly go back to that slide,

[1:14:26] Voice 2: because I think that's helpful. If the LTC is in support of rezoning these two parcels from

[1:14:33] Voice 2: from site-specific commercial to a site-specific residential to.

[1:14:38] Voice 2: Then you'll have to rescind By-law 223 and 229.

[1:14:42] Voice 2: And then there would be these motions that would then redesignate

[1:14:48] Voice 2: and rezone the property.

[1:14:50] Voice 2: So you may want to have a discussion first if the LTC is comfortable

[1:14:53] Voice 2: with moving forward with that.

[1:14:55] Voice 2: If you're not, then no amendments for By-law 223 or 229 are required.

[1:15:00] Voice 2: oh pardon me the only one that would be required is a amendment to a bylaw 229 for the the community

[1:15:08] Voice 2: park i hope i totally haven't confused you so

[1:15:12] Trustee Morrison: i think there's a confusion in community

[1:15:16] Trustee Morrison: and potentially potentially like on the property line because that water two piece

[1:15:23] Trustee Morrison: or water four piece so the water four piece it appears to be owned by the same person who owns

[1:15:30] Trustee Morrison: those two rural residential pieces and they appear to be three or or they think they do

[1:15:38] Trustee Morrison: and so like so the shed currently is in the ownership of the owner for those other two

[1:15:45] Trustee Morrison: properties is my understanding is that not true that's no it's not

[1:15:50] Voice 7: they don't have they don't

[1:15:51] Voice 7: have a license or tenure from the province for the shed and the deck so

[1:15:57] Trustee Morrison: they don't own the shed

[1:15:59] Trustee Morrison: or the deck right now it's just that small portion

[1:16:01] Voice 7: yeah they just clearly own the small portion

[1:16:06] Voice 7: that's over the sliver um and um the province refused to issue tenure to a previous owner

[1:16:16] Voice 7: of the upland parcel so that the ownership of the deck or this platform and the bulk of the shed

[1:16:24] Voice 7: it's kind of in a limbo well

[1:16:26] Trustee Morrison: that needs to be clarified because right now the current upland

[1:16:30] Trustee Morrison: owner has insurance to ensure that he's not liable for somebody falling through the floor of the shed

[1:16:36] Trustee Morrison: and so um because there's holes in the floor of the shed so um so which is kind of fascinating

[1:16:44] Trustee Morrison: um but anyway um so it is really important that we get clarity on that so i think there's no

[1:16:52] Voice 7: there's going to be no clarity on that because the province is just refusing to issue tenure for

[1:17:00] Voice 7: that's what i believe yep and our lawyers believe that the province owns the um the portion over the

[1:17:08] Voice 7: water does

[1:17:09] Voice 8: the landowner realize that

[1:17:11] Voice 7: i don't know okay

[1:17:13] Voice 8: i'm thinking in the conversation that i had

[1:17:16] Voice 8: of them they're the the whole conversation went that there's the that that that the shed is on

[1:17:26] Voice 8: that second piece of

[1:17:27] Voice 7: property

[1:17:28] Voice 8: yeah yeah

[1:17:30] Voice 7: i mean we had surveys prepared for part of the court case

[1:17:34] Voice 7: that showed you know where the natural boundary is and then the courts confirmed that the the

[1:17:39] Voice 7: zoning applies just to that little portion over the the rural residential zoning or commercial

[1:17:44] Voice 7: zoning rather just applies to that little portion over the upland um now if someone who owns the

[1:17:52] Voice 7: upland piece um got the water applied they could apply for the water portion to be rezoned or the

[1:18:00] Voice 7: ltc could rezone the water portion and then the owner could apply to the province for tenure

[1:18:09] Voice 7: so that's why i say it's kind of in limbo right the province is like well we might issue tenure

[1:18:13] Voice 7: year if there was proper zoning in place okay

[1:18:18] Trustee Morrison: so that's a concern and uh that's a concern for me

[1:18:21] Trustee Morrison: so because what that means is that if we change the world of the foreshore area that tiny little

[1:18:29] Trustee Morrison: sliver piece to uh rural residential

[1:18:31] Voice 7: that's not the foreshore the foreshore is below the natural

[1:18:34] Voice 7: boundary okay

[1:18:35] Trustee Morrison: so

[1:18:36] Voice 7: the rural residential portion is the upland portion okay

[1:18:41] Trustee Morrison: so my concern that i have

[1:18:43] Trustee Morrison: is that if that sliver piece that's the whatever we call it that's property that's like owned by

[1:18:50] Trustee Morrison: those up upshore folks if it is put into rural residential is there an argument to be made in

[1:18:56] Trustee Morrison: the future for the shed being leased for residential i don't even care no

[1:19:01] Voice 7: because it's

[1:19:02] Voice 7: the same it's the

[1:19:02] Voice 7: same exact same argument that was made by hunt um that when it's zoned commercial

[1:19:08] Voice 7: commercial, he attempted to have

[1:19:09] Voice 7: that commercial zoning extended to the whole shed and was

[1:19:12] Voice 7: unsuccessful. So it would be the same argument for rural residential.

[1:19:19] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So, and then the other question that I have is, I thought we couldn't have a piece

[1:19:24] Trustee Morrison: of property that was a residential that was not buildable.

[1:19:27] Trustee Morrison: um

[1:19:28] Voice 7: well it's probably not um something you'd want to do generally um if you were to rezone

[1:19:40] Voice 7: these two upland properties to a residential site specific zone that said only one dwelling

[1:19:45] Voice 7: is permitted um effectively what that would mean is that the builder the owner could not build on

[1:19:53] Voice 7: that small portion i mean there's it's unbuildable because of setbacks so then it would be in the

[1:19:59] Voice 7: upland owners best interests to amalgamate those two parcels yeah then they

[1:20:04] Voice 3: would get a little more

[1:20:06] Voice 7: you know they could get built a little closer to the water yeah

[1:20:10] Trustee Morrison: okay so and kim is that already in

[1:20:15] Trustee Morrison: the site-specific zoning move to do that to like have it site-specific so only one house can be

[1:20:20] Trustee Morrison: built across the two properties that's

[1:20:21] Voice 2: right yeah okay

[1:20:22] Trustee Morrison: and i'm okay with that

[1:20:26] Trustee Morrison: that was a complicated like it's a complicated piece of property but i'm okay with that

[1:20:30] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[1:20:30] Voice 3: yeah no

[1:20:36] Voice 8: problems so

[1:20:39] Voice 2: if the ltc wants to move forward unfortunately we have to go through the

[1:20:43] Voice 2: motions of rescinding second and first reading for both bylaws bylaw 223 and 229 so it's a matter of

[1:20:50] Voice 2: going through these four draft motions first before we can make it many changes to the draft

[1:20:55] Voice 2: bylaws and

[1:20:57] Trustee Morrison: we need to do this regardless because the park thing is in there whatever it is yeah

[1:21:01] Voice 2: okay

[1:21:02] Trustee Morrison: okay if you're cool aaron i'll just whiz through them okay

[1:21:05] Voice 11: okay

[1:21:06] Trustee Morrison: that the second reading

[1:21:08] Trustee Morrison: of bylaw number 223 cited is north pender island official community plan bylaw number 171 2007

[1:21:14] Trustee Morrison: 2007 amendment number one 2021 be rescinded okay

[1:21:22] Trustee Maude: may this second by trustee Campbell I'm assuming

[1:21:25] Trustee Maude: here that Pat's got all this stuff so I'll keep the conversation um so the second trustee Campbell

[1:21:32] Trustee Maude: any discussion if not call the question all in favor all

[1:21:41] Voice 3: right that carries all right next um

[1:21:48] Trustee Morrison: that the first reading of bylaw number 223 cited as North Pender Island official community plan

[1:21:54] Trustee Morrison: land number 171, 2007 amendment number 1, 2021 be rescinded.

[1:22:01] Trustee Maude: Okay, seconded for trustee Campbell.

[1:22:03] Trustee Maude: Any discussion?

[1:22:04] Trustee Maude: No discussion.

[1:22:05] Trustee Maude: Call question all in favor.

[1:22:07] Trustee Maude: And that carries.

[1:22:09] Trustee Morrison: That the second reading of bylaw number 229

[1:22:12] Trustee Morrison: said it is North Pender Island land use bylaw number 229

[1:22:16] Trustee Morrison: or four, is that supposed to be a four?

[1:22:19] Trustee Morrison: Okay, four.

[1:22:20] Trustee Morrison: It

[1:22:21] Voice 2: is supposed to be a 4224

[1:22:22] Voice 2: because you're 229 will

[1:22:24] Voice 2: be amended yep

[1:22:25] Trustee Morrison: 224 2022 amendment number one 2022 be rescinded

[1:22:31] Trustee Maude: second trustee campbell no discussion call a question one favor that carries that the first

[1:22:40] Trustee Morrison: reading of bylaw number 229 cited is north pender island land use bylaw number 224 2022

[1:22:46] Trustee Morrison: 22, Amendment Number 1, 2022 be rescinded.

[1:22:50] Trustee Maude: Secondly, Trustee Campbell, any discussion?

[1:22:53] Trustee Maude: If

[1:22:54] Voice 3: not, call the question. All in favor? And that carries.

[1:23:02] Voice 3: So the

[1:23:02] Voice 2: first draft motion, am I on? No, I'm

[1:23:07] Voice 2: okay, great. So the first, didn't know if I was muted or not, I apologize.

[1:23:11] Voice 2: The first draft motion there is to amend the OCP

[1:23:15] Voice 2: amending bylaw 223, and that would redesignate

[1:23:19] Voice 2: the two port washington road properties from commercial to rural residential

[1:23:27] Trustee Morrison: uh that the north pender island local trust committee directs staff to amend bylaw number

[1:23:33] Trustee Morrison: 223 to redesignate oh no wait a minute yeah that's right 1200 and 1201 port washington

[1:23:40] Trustee Morrison: road from commercial to rural residential

[1:23:42] Voice 3: seconded trustee campbell

[1:23:46] Trustee Maude: okay in any discussion

[1:23:48] Trustee Maude: call the question all in favor that carries and

[1:23:54] Voice 2: then the second motion there would be to amend

[1:23:56] Voice 2: 229 make changes to 229 so you rezone the port washington road properties from rural from

[1:24:04] Voice 2: commercial to a site-specific rural residential two zone that would only allow one dwelling within

[1:24:11] Voice 2: the zone and to also rezone the upland magic lake property to that site-specific community part two

[1:24:17] Voice 2: zone that would then allow that

[1:24:19] Voice 2: boat storage.

[1:24:23] Trustee Morrison: The North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[1:24:25] Trustee Morrison: directs staff to amend By-law number

[1:24:27] Trustee Morrison: 229 to rezone

[1:24:28] Trustee Morrison: 1200 and 1201

[1:24:31] Trustee Morrison: Port Washington Road to a site-specific

[1:24:33] Trustee Morrison: rural residential 2

[1:24:35] Trustee Morrison: zone that would only permit one dwelling

[1:24:38] Trustee Morrison: within the zone.

[1:24:43] Voice 3: Okay. Seconder?

[1:24:47] Voice 3: Any discussion?

[1:24:49] Trustee Maude: My only thing is, was it intended

[1:24:52] Trustee Maude: to have the next part of the rezone up

[1:24:54] Trustee Maude: magically? Is that a second motion?

[1:24:55] Trustee Maude: or was that

[1:24:56] Trustee Maude: supposed to be combined in that

[1:24:59] Trustee Morrison: was supposed to be both sorry you're right it's

[1:25:02] Trustee Morrison: supposed to additionally say to rezone the upland magic lake area from rural residential one to site

[1:25:08] Trustee Morrison: specific community part two sorry about that okay

[1:25:11] Trustee Maude: cool so we'll re-second that trustee cannibal

[1:25:14] Trustee Maude: and again no discussion okay call the question all in favor that carries great

[1:25:21] Voice 2: so those are all

[1:25:22] Voice 2: the amendments that i have proposed here i'm going to stop the presentation for now um so there's an

[1:25:28] Voice 2: opportunity for the ltc to put forward any other amendments or information you'd like staff to

[1:25:33] Voice 2: bring forward for that saturday meeting and i'd also like a discussion on how the ltc sees this

[1:25:41] Voice 2: community information meeting formatted would you like staff to do a brief presentation to

[1:25:47] Voice 2: the community or would you like it strictly like a Q&A, a question and answer because I can

[1:25:53] Voice 2: prepare something or it can simply just be gathering comments from the community.

[1:26:03] Voice 3: I think a

[1:26:06] Voice 8: little bit of both might be helpful for people just to have a sort of a background of

[1:26:13] Voice 8: where it started, where we've got to and then and I know when we had originally talked about

[1:26:20] Voice 8: the idea of getting to do some community information meeting type things um you know

[1:26:26] Voice 8: having the ability to have uh the the question and answer part of it i think would be really

[1:26:32] Voice 8: important for for folks on the island to gain a better understanding because it's often really

[1:26:36] Voice 8: hard for us to answer you basically get stuck as a go-between sending emails back and forth to try

[1:26:43] Voice 8: to determine what it is that somebody wants to know information wise so also but trying to keep

[1:26:52] Voice 8: it to a reasonable amount of time from people as well otherwise i think we could be there all day

[1:26:59] Voice 8: and have to call uber dishes or something like that trustee morrison so

[1:27:05] Trustee Morrison: a couple things i'll

[1:27:06] Trustee Morrison: start with this since we're on this conversation but i want to come back to your first question

[1:27:09] Trustee Morrison: too kim um so my understanding is that we are going to do like an hour related to budgetary

[1:27:17] Trustee Morrison: feedback too so it would be good to have some uh simple kind of i don't know what that looks like

[1:27:26] Trustee Morrison: but some kind of sharing about the budget um just some basic numbers from maybe julia that can be

[1:27:33] Trustee Morrison: be shared with community because this is our moment to say how people can have input into

[1:27:40] Trustee Morrison: the budget process and for us to collect information. So when we go to trust council,

[1:27:44] Trustee Morrison: we can have some grounded understanding of what the sense is. And I know that things were changed

[1:27:50] Trustee Morrison: in financial planning committees. So it'd be good to get like the updated version of where that's

[1:27:55] Trustee Morrison: at um yep robert so

[1:27:58] Voice 7: i think the fpc meets next week the 14th i think um so there'd be some

[1:28:05] Voice 7: decisions or recommendations technically coming out of that so um potentially there's some

[1:28:11] Voice 7: material that we could bring it's probably pretty accountant like though you know spreadsheets and

[1:28:18] Voice 7: so on so there's

[1:28:19] Trustee Morrison: people here who'd like that I think I'm

[1:28:20] Voice 7: sure okay

[1:28:23] Trustee Morrison: that'd be awesome and so Kim

[1:28:26] Trustee Morrison: I would just stick to a couple slides like I wouldn't over prepare for it because we can talk

[1:28:30] Trustee Morrison: to it and I think frankly if Aaron and I kind of lead the discussion on the budget that might be a

[1:28:35] Trustee Morrison: better move yeah that's

[1:28:38] Voice 7: the other thing I was going to say like yeah Kim and Kim's not going

[1:28:42] Voice 7: to be able to speak to the budget so yeah

[1:28:43] Trustee Morrison: exactly so i think if the three trustees david included

[1:28:48] Trustee Morrison: like just talk to the budget and but if we can make sure that we have whatever fpc if something

[1:28:53] Trustee Morrison: like if we i can pull it down here but too but it would be nice to have like the talking notes

[1:28:58] Trustee Morrison: of whatever it comes out of that that we would share with community um and then i agree with

[1:29:04] Trustee Morrison: aaron like just having uh some light slides to give like some common framing it'd be nice to

[1:29:09] Trustee Morrison: try and keep to issues in order i know different people want to be there for different periods of

[1:29:15] Trustee Morrison: time but maybe we can have like the hodgepodge collection at the end of random questions but

[1:29:20] Trustee Morrison: try to keep like to different topic areas as people want to sort of share or learn or give

[1:29:24] Trustee Morrison: feedback and i don't know if having a whole group conversation is the right move either necessarily

[1:29:30] Trustee Morrison: like but i also want to make sure we hear feedback and document it really clearly so i i think some

[1:29:37] Trustee Morrison: some time for people to like are we going to have any boards or anything like that or is it all

[1:29:41] Trustee Morrison: going to just be projected like one at a time it

[1:29:45] Voice 2: will most likely projected based on the time

[1:29:47] Voice 2: limits we have but if i could bring i could at least print out the ocp designations or the

[1:29:54] Voice 2: proposed and also the land use designations i'll bring that by post that

[1:29:58] Trustee Morrison: would be great if we could

[1:29:59] Trustee Morrison: ground.

[1:30:00] Trustee Morrison: like a couple tables with those on it and then as people are talking like we can just like move

[1:30:04] Trustee Morrison: around and chat with people and answer questions um and and then like but cluster it into kind of

[1:30:10] Trustee Morrison: topic areas so we have coherent conversations would be helpful is there

[1:30:17] Voice 8: a time limit that we

[1:30:20] Voice 8: give people like usually a couple

[1:30:25] Trustee Morrison: of minutes two or three minutes for people to say stuff and what

[1:30:28] Trustee Morrison: what I would like to prevent is I don't want people having prepared speeches where there's

[1:30:34] Trustee Morrison: a whole bunch of stuff I'd rather they email those in I want I would really like people to speak to

[1:30:39] Trustee Morrison: a particular chunk of thing like yeah you know for it or not and why or why not or if they and

[1:30:45] Trustee Morrison: not even just forward or not like what would it be an alternative suggestions that they might like

[1:30:50] Trustee Morrison: put forward instead that would be super helpful so if we can frame it in that kind of like you

[1:30:55] Trustee Morrison: know when you come out to speak please state if you agree or disagree with the thing you're

[1:30:58] Trustee Morrison: are going to talk about and what other solutions or options you might want to present. That would

[1:31:02] Trustee Morrison: be a really constructive way to go forward.

[1:31:05] Trustee Maude: Can one of you telegraph that via the almighty

[1:31:09] Trustee Maude: Facebook in advance of the meeting so hopefully people sort of walk in the meeting sort of

[1:31:15] Trustee Maude: understand what the foundation is? Because I'm not a Facebook person, but I understand that most

[1:31:22] Trustee Maude: of the Gulf Islands are, so it seems to be an effective way of communicating.

[1:31:26] Voice 8: I wonder if even

[1:31:28] Voice 8: even if we put it on a sandwich board outside the door when people are walking in kind of a thing

[1:31:33] Voice 8: where just sort of these are this is this is sort of the outline of what the meeting is kind of

[1:31:39] Voice 8: expected to be try to you know try to stay within the parameters maybe yeah

[1:31:45] Trustee Morrison: we have a couple

[1:31:46] Trustee Morrison: different um things that we we have some sandwich boards there that we could even just write that

[1:31:50] Trustee Morrison: out on too yeah i think

[1:31:52] Trustee Morrison: that's a good move yeah heaven

[1:31:54] Voice 8: arts and crafts day before the before the

[1:31:56] Voice 8: the meeting that's

[1:31:58] Trustee Morrison: funny um all right so i'm good with all that can i go back to your first question

[1:32:04] Trustee Morrison: for a second certainly

[1:32:06] Voice 3: okay

[1:32:07] Trustee Morrison: so um one of the things that we haven't really talked about this

[1:32:13] Trustee Morrison: term but that came up in conversations we just didn't make a decision one way or the other but

[1:32:17] Trustee Morrison: last term was um there has been some really interesting suggestions about spreading the

[1:32:25] Trustee Morrison: square footage of houses that allowing people to not have single residences right so like if you

[1:32:33] Trustee Morrison: have if your final occupancy of a building is 3 000 square feet that you can split it into smaller

[1:32:42] Trustee Morrison: buildings there's pros and cons about that depending on the lot size so i'm not actually

[1:32:47] Trustee Morrison: for that on small lot sizes necessarily like that's why we have secondary suites because the

[1:32:53] Trustee Morrison: the footprint becomes so big that you remove all the overstory and vegetation if you have two

[1:32:57] Trustee Morrison: separate buildings. So I have some concerns about that on small properties, but on bigger properties

[1:33:03] Trustee Morrison: like five acres and plus type properties, I kind of feel like it might be reasonable because it

[1:33:09] Trustee Morrison: might allow for more diverse housing options across the landscape over time that actually

[1:33:15] Trustee Morrison: allow people to think, oh, I don't have to build a 3,000, 4,000 square foot house. I could build

[1:33:21] Trustee Morrison: like three smaller houses and now we have like more rental properties or more like and they can't

[1:33:26] Trustee Morrison: be subdivided like they still have to be all owned single family owned but that it allows for sort of

[1:33:33] Trustee Morrison: some alternative options so we've been toying with that idea back and forth and I know Kim I think

[1:33:39] Trustee Morrison: you were involved in some of those conversations too I am I had a really great conversation with

[1:33:44] Trustee Morrison: Janine about the flexible housing options over on Maine and David of course know about that and I

[1:33:50] Trustee Morrison: I just think that on some of our bigger, like, you know, where we're not going to necessarily

[1:33:56] Trustee Morrison: hurt the overstory, that would be my one issue is like, overstory protection is actually

[1:34:03] Trustee Morrison: important from a lot of different reasons, not necessarily every stick of tree, right?

[1:34:08] Trustee Morrison: But overstory protection and forest integrity is actually an important feature.

[1:34:13] Trustee Morrison: So how we balance that, it's a question.

[1:34:15] Trustee Morrison: And I would love some feedback on that.

[1:34:18] Trustee Morrison: I don't need to necessarily change the bylaws right now, because I don't even know what the language would be, frankly.

[1:34:22] Trustee Morrison: But it would be great to somehow have that question brought up when we talk about house sizes, to just have people consider, like, you know, is there appetite for dispersing our square footage for our residential properties?

[1:34:38] Trustee Morrison: And is there bumpers that should guide us in thinking about that?

[1:34:42] Trustee Morrison: I

[1:34:45] Voice 7: was just going to suggest that that might be valuable to get feedback on that on the 25th,

[1:34:50] Voice 7: because it could inform your deliberations on your next projects.

[1:34:58] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, so many things.

[1:35:00] Voice 7: As Chair Maud can explain, it was a fairly long process on Maine.

[1:35:06] Voice 7: Lots of criteria were looked at, and it still is technically a pilot.

[1:35:10] Voice 7: There's a pilot area, so not, you know,

[1:35:13] Voice 7: only a small portion of the island was included.

[1:35:16] Voice 7: A lot of filters were applied to delineate those areas

[1:35:19] Voice 7: to come up with those final pilot areas,

[1:35:21] Voice 7: and a lot of community discussion.

[1:35:23] Voice 7: So definitely be sort of a subsequent project,

[1:35:27] Voice 7: but to get a feel for whether it's something

[1:35:30] Voice 7: the community is interested in,

[1:35:31] Voice 7: the 25th might provide a good opportunity for that.

[1:35:34] Trustee Maude: Would it be an idea for Planner Chadwick

[1:35:37] Trustee Maude: to make a presentation or prepare a presentation?

[1:35:40] Voice 7: um maybe maybe if there's interest to generate a subsequent meeting i

[1:35:46] Voice 8: think i think another

[1:35:48] Voice 8: portion of that that has just started i mean for me has just started to pop up quite quickly is

[1:35:55] Voice 8: the idea of the tiny tiny houses as a primary residence on a on property people have you know

[1:36:05] Voice 8: somewhat less impact and you know devon talking about over over stories of trees and and whatnot

[1:36:11] Voice 8: and how much disturbing and stuff goes on with the land on on larger pieces of property using a

[1:36:17] Voice 8: a tiny house it's just come up and brad and i had emailed a little bit back and forth about

[1:36:22] Voice 8: one request that has been made um and it it sort of seems to be that there's nobody that really has

[1:36:30] Voice 8: as a grasp fully on what that might look like in communities.

[1:36:36] Voice 8: The CRD sort of hasn't got there.

[1:36:39] Voice 8: And I guess, you know, we haven't really investigated it

[1:36:44] Voice 8: probably to the level that it would need to be,

[1:36:47] Voice 8: but it might be something to get some feedback

[1:36:49] Voice 8: from people as well,

[1:36:50] Voice 8: to see if that would have some take up in a community.

[1:36:53] Voice 8: And if it's worth a project to really look at

[1:36:57] Voice 8: how some of those properties could maybe be utilized

[1:37:02] Voice 7: that's definitely related to the flex housing because the main flex housing project actually

[1:37:07] Voice 7: started as the time as it's called a tiny home project initially yeah

[1:37:12] Trustee Morrison: and in the conversation

[1:37:13] Trustee Morrison: with janine it came out because it was janine lisa from gana and myself and part part of the

[1:37:18] Trustee Morrison: conversation was also about tiny homes because i'm actually a big fan of tiny homes the problem

[1:37:23] Trustee Morrison: is that it's not regulated and i don't want to see rv parks all over the island so like talk about

[1:37:29] Trustee Morrison: killing rural uh community thing it's like that's all we need to say right and it's not safe frankly

[1:37:36] Trustee Morrison: like on a human level like there's a safe and health and wellness issue we also like there's

[1:37:43] Trustee Morrison: a lot of challenges we have but the more we can diversify our housing options the more we're

[1:37:48] Trustee Morrison: likely to also get affordable housing options that are not big like singular residences but like

[1:37:55] Trustee Morrison: dispersed across the landscape and I think that's more in keeping with our official community plan

[1:37:59] Trustee Morrison: and like just what we need in our community um the tiny homes thing though I had a thought about that

[1:38:04] Trustee Morrison: um it would be really interesting and I don't know if we can do it as part of this land use

[1:38:09] Trustee Morrison: bylaw but it would be good to collect information on it at the meeting is um it would be really good

[1:38:15] Trustee Morrison: to go ahead and zone for it and put in there somehow like based on crd like basically push

[1:38:27] Trustee Morrison: the ball to crd so if we do our work in zoning where we think it's appropriate and the definition

[1:38:33] Trustee Morrison: of what a tiny home is is left to the crd and then it kind of forces them to do it and i don't

[1:38:38] Trustee Morrison: know how to do that legally but i kind of want to well

[1:38:41] Voice 8: there i i did some talk um some looking at

[1:38:45] Voice 8: um what it would what it takes to have a registered uh like a properly registered tiny

[1:38:55] Voice 8: home because they have to actually be roadworthy at the end of the day and one of the things that

[1:39:00] Voice 8: it requires in order to get insurance on it is um it has to have a csa approval to it and so if

[1:39:07] Voice 8: it's built locally it has to be built it would that could be something that would be put in would

[1:39:12] Voice 8: be to say that it has to has to actually carry a csa approval which would stop then sort of

[1:39:21] Voice 8: everything becoming a home built just because it's a trailer means that it's a means that it's a tiny

[1:39:28] Voice 8: house at least for a for a pilot project to see how something like that would go is that if it

[1:39:34] Voice 8: is actually register registerable and insurable um then it would have gone through a certain

[1:39:43] Voice 8: amount of checks and balances and been built by an approved builder so i mean that's just

[1:39:50] Voice 8: something that could be considered so

[1:39:52] Trustee Morrison: so kim i think for the 25th i think the question i would

[1:39:55] Trustee Morrison: ask is like can we put something like even if we can have a couple questions and maybe we can even

[1:40:01] Trustee Morrison: do this aaron like i have a couple questions with sticky notes the teacher in me is coming out

[1:40:05] Trustee Morrison: um with sticky notes where we're just collecting kind of thinking community thinking around like

[1:40:09] Trustee Morrison: you know what aspect of tiny homes would you like support and how are you thinking about it and what

[1:40:15] Trustee Morrison: about this idea of dispersed um square footage like for and what are you thinking about it

[1:40:20] Trustee Morrison: because we're not necessarily going to be able to weave those into this work necessarily but

[1:40:24] Trustee Morrison: it would help us inform the housing conversation more broadly yeah

[1:40:28] Voice 7: eventually it depends on the

[1:40:30] Voice 7: time right how much how much time there is and it may be something you want to say for a separate

[1:40:35] Voice 7: separate meeting and just let people know that that that's you're actively considering that as

[1:40:41] Voice 7: an ltc what your next your next work is going to be i

[1:40:47] Voice 8: guess we we could possibly dedicate another

[1:40:51] Voice 8: like community information meeting down the road because we've got a couple of them that

[1:40:55] Voice 8: we were looking at doing we could maybe have one about sort of the alternative housing ideas or

[1:41:04] Voice 8: or thoughts

[1:41:04] Voice 3: around sounds

[1:41:09] Voice 2: like the ltc is already working thinking of a potential new minor projects

[1:41:14] Voice 2: in the works if the land use bylaw gets all wrapped up so it's great there's certainly a

[1:41:19] Voice 2: topic there okay

[1:41:24] Voice 3: so what's our next step here sorry

[1:41:29] Trustee Morrison: just one last time that you know kim i'll

[1:41:31] Trustee Morrison: find a way to like make the like forest preservation the water sustainability and the

[1:41:37] Trustee Morrison: housing all wrapped together sorry i'm all for getting our efficiency out of our project

[1:41:43] Trustee Morrison: all right um i think that's it the one other thing i thought david was still left hanging

[1:41:50] Trustee Morrison: potentially is um do we need or want to write the province or do anything around the shed

[1:41:57] Trustee Morrison: because it seems that the shed is a little bit in the province's purview and if the province

[1:42:02] Trustee Morrison: suddenly came in and took it down without us being proactive about don't do that without

[1:42:06] Trustee Morrison: talking to us it seems like we've kind of dropped the ball so i'm wondering if if we

[1:42:11] Trustee Morrison: write the province a letter saying our expectation around the shed is that you will consult the

[1:42:18] Trustee Morrison: community before any action is taken around it i don't know i don't know thoughts um

[1:42:25] Trustee Maude: robert do you

[1:42:26] Trustee Maude: have any sort of thoughts on that it seems that it seems to me there's there's a a common interest

[1:42:33] Trustee Maude: both with the community versus um historic status but also relevant uses and and the issuance of a

[1:42:41] Trustee Maude: of a water lease on that it seems that somehow the the ltc needs to be sort of looped in with

[1:42:48] Trustee Maude: the province on this is there some what sort of format from their request be made

[1:42:52] Voice 7: um yeah i mean

[1:42:54] Voice 7: writing would be the would be the the format however the province has shown no interest in

[1:43:02] Voice 7: taking it down um they have no capacity to do that um um they don't have any they don't even

[1:43:10] Voice 7: do enforcement really for for structures over the water themselves so i don't think that's an

[1:43:16] Voice 7: an eminent um issue but

[1:43:19] Trustee Maude: at some point if somebody there has to be a responsible adult involved with

[1:43:24] Trustee Maude: that building because it exists and at some point it becomes a liability and obviously

[1:43:33] Trustee Maude: it doesn't seem to have an owner at this point it seems to be this air above a water lease

[1:43:38] Trustee Maude: well

[1:43:39] Trustee Morrison: and yeah and if i

[1:43:41] Trustee Morrison: 88 percent

[1:43:42] Voice 7: of it is yeah yeah

[1:43:43] Trustee Morrison: and if i can just be like frank the province

[1:43:47] Trustee Morrison: also you know was fine with with various dams until they came and removed one without really

[1:43:55] Trustee Morrison: deep consultation with our community and so i'd rather be really proactive on this than have

[1:44:01] Trustee Morrison: garden pond repeat yeah

[1:44:03] Voice 3: right

[1:44:04] Trustee Morrison: so because it's a similar kind of issue where they you know they

[1:44:08] Trustee Morrison: don't care until they care and then they go do whatever they want without you know consulting

[1:44:12] Trustee Morrison: with us so it would be nice just to be on record to have been like hey now

[1:44:18] Trustee Maude: it's a way to open the

[1:44:21] Trustee Maude: doors to to invite a provincial representative to an ltc meeting to sort of brief us yeah so

[1:44:28] Trustee Morrison: that's what i would suggest david is and so i have like a motion um to just and maybe i'll just put

[1:44:35] Trustee Morrison: on the table i think it's straightforward it's the north pendera ltc direct staff to write a letter

[1:44:40] Trustee Morrison: to the province to request a conversation about the future of the port washington shed

[1:44:43] Trustee Morrison: so

[1:44:44] Voice 3: pat you see that in the chat yep i've got it thank you perfect okay

[1:44:54] Trustee Maude: so do you have a second

[1:44:55] Trustee Maude: year for that trustee campbell any further discussion on that motion no they're cool

[1:45:03] Voice 3: okay so call the question all in favor and that carries okay that gives us a road forward all

[1:45:18] Voice 3: right are we done are

[1:45:20] Trustee Maude: we done planner stock kills like has a smile on her face and nodding

[1:45:26] Trustee Maude: apparently we've done good all

[1:45:28] Trustee Morrison: right well while i have us all on the same call can i actually ask

[1:45:32] Trustee Morrison: two clarifying questions

[1:45:34] Trustee Maude: absolutely we love questions okay

[1:45:36] Trustee Morrison: my one i think i might have sent

[1:45:38] Trustee Morrison: sent it to Brad, or if I didn't, I had it in my head to send it to Brad, was I just need to be

[1:45:44] Trustee Morrison: clear on our meetings, because somehow they got mapped to my calendar incorrectly, and now I'm

[1:45:48] Trustee Morrison: confused, and so I think that our meetings are, that we have the February 25th one, and I,

[1:45:58] Trustee Morrison: so we have the February 25th special meeting, and then I have something on March 10th and March 11th,

[1:46:06] Trustee Morrison: which seems wrong to me. So I think it's just March 11th.

[1:46:09] Voice 2: March 11th, you have the Groundwater

[1:46:10] Voice 2: Sustainability Project, I believe, with Narissa.

[1:46:13] Trustee Morrison: Yes, but do we have a special meeting on the 10th

[1:46:15] Trustee Morrison: as well?

[1:46:16] Voice 2: Nope, not that I'm aware of. And then you

[1:46:19] Voice 2: just have your regular meeting on Friday,

[1:46:21] Voice 2: March 24th.

[1:46:23] Trustee Morrison: Okay, see how that's on the 17th on my calendar, which is confusing me? Okay,

[1:46:27] Trustee Morrison: thank you very much. Okay, so that's what I thought was the case. Oh no, wait a minute, did we...

[1:46:33] Voice 8: didn't we have the 17th and we moved it because i thought you had something on

[1:46:38] Voice 8: other

[1:46:38] Trustee Morrison: way around we moved it from the 24th to the 17th oh

[1:46:42] Voice 2: it's now the 17th

[1:46:44] Trustee Morrison: that actually is something that i just need to be sure that we're all on the same page

[1:46:48] Trustee Morrison: is it i had the conflict on the 24th and we moved it to the 17th was my understanding

[1:46:54] Trustee Morrison: give me a second did

[1:46:56] Voice 2: was there a resolution for that at the last meeting by chance

[1:46:59] Voice 2: or should we make one now we

[1:47:02] Voice 3: did do a resolution okay from my recollection because we did have

[1:47:10] Trustee Maude: quite a conversation about that and i think so i think that's done okay

[1:47:14] Voice 2: brad can you remember if

[1:47:15] Voice 2: that was confirmed the 24th or the 17th

[1:47:18] Planner: i'm not sure if it's uh i don't i remember us talking

[1:47:21] Planner: about it but i'm not sure if they passed a resolution i was just going to go into the

[1:47:24] Planner: follow-up action let's just see if it's there yeah

[1:47:26] Voice 7: i don't see it recorded there okay well

[1:47:29] Voice 7: then we take

[1:47:29] Trustee Maude: 30 seconds now we'll make a resolution yeah two is better than none i guess

[1:47:35] Trustee Maude: if

[1:47:36] Voice 2: we could just pause quickly now in terms of robert and brad do we have any uh tup dvp

[1:47:43] Voice 2: applications that may be um implicated by moving in a week forward in terms of notification i think

[1:47:52] Voice 7: there are three tup applications two of them are stvrs that have had tups in the past and i don't

[1:48:02] Voice 7: i think the timing will be fine on that

[1:48:05] Planner: it's

[1:48:05] Voice 7: six weeks away so i'll just

[1:48:08] Planner: have to move forward my

[1:48:09] Planner: my timeline for uh the sketch notice but that's easy um i'm just going to look in the meeting

[1:48:17] Planner: minutes as well to make sure we didn't cover that but i'm pretty certain we did it right

[1:48:21] Planner: i know

[1:48:22] Trustee Morrison: we talked about it but i just don't know where we discussed it so whether it was recorded

[1:48:28] Trustee Morrison: or not we definitely talked about it because i moved it on my calendar to the 17th and i

[1:48:32] Trustee Morrison: without actually checking so

[1:48:34] Voice 2: to be safe let's put forward a motion just to move the 24th to

[1:48:38] Voice 2: the 17th because it sounds like in terms of staff it should be okay absolutely

[1:48:44] Trustee Maude: and

[1:48:45] Voice 2: then we can ask

[1:48:46] Voice 2: robin to shift that in all our calendars to make sure we can have a saint patty's day meeting

[1:48:55] Trustee Morrison: or is there any complex for you yeah

[1:48:57] Planner: that works for me okay i'm just uh looking through the

[1:49:00] Planner: minutes to make sure but i'm pretty certain that uh we might have touched on talking about getting

[1:49:06] Planner: to that and then the meeting went a little bit uh uh tense there so no surprise if we moved off it

[1:49:13] Planner: that may

[1:49:14] Voice 9: be where i got cut out completely because robert was packing up

[1:49:18] Trustee Morrison: oh it could be okay no

[1:49:21] Trustee Morrison: So we caught it. So the North Pender local trust committee reschedule or sorry, the North Pender local trust committee request staff to reschedule the March 24 2023 regular meeting to get to March 17.

[1:49:45] Trustee Morrison: 17th hey

[1:49:47] Voice 3: Pat you've got that yes I do yep

[1:49:52] Trustee Maude: perfect go seconded by trustee Campbell any further

[1:49:56] Trustee Maude: discussion call the question all in favor and that carries there

[1:50:03] Planner: is a there is a note in the

[1:50:04] Planner: meeting minutes that it was talked about in town hall but I guess it just says trustee Morrison

[1:50:10] Planner: to speak with staff to clarify next meeting March 17th to 24th so good we did it today

[1:50:15] Trustee Maude: perfect

[1:50:16] Trustee Maude: Perfect. Um, now I do see we've got a member of the public with their hand up,

[1:50:22] Trustee Maude: presumably with a question. And if everybody's okay, we'll get Robin to promote them across.

[1:50:28] Trustee Maude: Is that fine?

[1:50:30] Trustee Morrison: We don't really have a town hall in this meeting.

[1:50:32] Trustee Morrison: Exactly.

[1:50:33] Trustee Maude: So that's why I'm asking.

[1:50:35] Trustee Morrison: I just, I just wonder about that. Cause when we didn't

[1:50:38] Trustee Morrison: advertise for a general conversation for,

[1:50:41] Voice 11: and

[1:50:42] Trustee Morrison: then it, uh, nothing, not that I don't want to

[1:50:44] Trustee Morrison: hear from people i just want to hear equally from people so i don't know thoughts

[1:50:50] Voice 3: i think it's

[1:50:53] Voice 3: reasonable

[1:50:54] Planner: to hear from someone okay one

[1:50:56] Voice 3: yeah so

[1:50:58] Trustee Maude: robin can you promote them across and make this

[1:51:04] Trustee Maude: happen because that's voodoo voodoo to me hello

[1:51:08] Voice 3: can you hear me oh

[1:51:11] Trustee Maude: then you're you're on miss

[1:51:12] Trustee Maude: so go ahead oh

[1:51:13] Voice 5: hi thank you yeah i just wanted to know is mckinnon road density still part of

[1:51:19] Voice 5: of By-law 224?

[1:51:21] Voice 5: Kind

[1:51:24] Voice 3: of stocked out.

[1:51:26] Voice 5: Yes, it is, yes.

[1:51:28] Voice 5: Okay, and so that has been then rescinded,

[1:51:31] Voice 5: the first and second readings related to that.

[1:51:33] Voice 2: They've been rescinded,

[1:51:35] Voice 2: but they're still in the draft by-law number 224

[1:51:38] Voice 2: to reduce the densities.

[1:51:39] Voice 5: Okay, and can that be considered a,

[1:51:43] Voice 5: you're talking about topic areas for the public forum,

[1:51:46] Voice 5: could that please be a topic area?

[1:51:49] Voice 2: Yeah, it will certainly be a topic area

[1:51:51] Voice 2: because we plan on inviting all the commercial two-zone property owners on McKinnon Road,

[1:51:56] Voice 2: so they will be in attendance hopefully on the February 25th meeting.

[1:52:00] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you. Good. I'm not able to go, but some of my neighbors are. I'm off island that day.

[1:52:08] Voice 5: And so related to that, then, Kim, you previously sent me the proposed density agreed between the property owners and LTC,

[1:52:18] Voice 5: see um and then some were rescinded the august 11th were rescinded is that is that still the case

[1:52:24] Voice 5: yes yeah

[1:52:26] Voice 2: they were reduced further on i believe it was august 11th and then increased back to

[1:52:32] Voice 2: what they were previously on august 13th and

[1:52:36] Voice 5: is that because the owners were not in agreement

[1:52:38] Voice 5: or willing to reduce them further as proposed no

[1:52:42] Trustee Morrison: can i talk to that yeah no it wasn't it wasn't

[1:52:47] Trustee Morrison: because of that is because originally so depending on where we were at in the process if we were

[1:52:53] Trustee Morrison: going to get to a final reading of these bylaws before the election there was a move to to try and

[1:52:58] Trustee Morrison: get community feedback about which way people wanted to do it this is kind of one of those

[1:53:03] Trustee Morrison: things that david was talking about earlier like to go in a more conservative fashion to get the

[1:53:08] Trustee Morrison: maximum amount of input and then like figure out what the next step was but because we weren't

[1:53:13] Trustee Morrison: going to get to the end of the land use bylaw at the end of the term we needed to put it back to

[1:53:21] Trustee Morrison: where we thought should be handed forward to this ltc so the current density from my perspective

[1:53:27] Trustee Morrison: anyway the current density on it as it stands right now in the land use bylaw which will be

[1:53:33] Trustee Morrison: shared on the 25th is the sort of conversation point to start at um and it is the as if i

[1:53:40] Trustee Morrison: remember correctly Kim it is the amounts that we agreed to like just in conversation and not agreed

[1:53:45] Trustee Morrison: to we can't encumber our you know our stance on things before we vote in a public meeting

[1:53:50] Trustee Morrison: but it is the conversation we had with landowners.

[1:53:54] Voice 5: And so question related to that so Kim were those

[1:53:58] Voice 5: numbers proposed based on anything like a lack of water ground use policy sustainability project

[1:54:06] Voice 5: was it tied into evidence about those properties?

[1:54:14] Voice 2: No, not specific.

[1:54:15] Voice 2: We don't have any specific groundwater studies.

[1:54:18] Voice 2: The property owners will be going through that process

[1:54:21] Voice 2: when they apply,

[1:54:22] Voice 2: I believe they're in the process of applying

[1:54:24] Voice 2: for their license through the province.

[1:54:28] Voice 2: So through the province,

[1:54:29] Voice 2: they'll be going through a rigorous requirement

[1:54:31] Voice 2: to ensure that there's sufficient groundwater

[1:54:33] Voice 2: water for those uses or proposed out stays as well.

[1:54:37] Voice 5: So, and yeah, I mean, obviously this can come up

[1:54:41] Voice 5: in the public forum.

[1:54:42] Voice 5: So there will be some opportunity to say that

[1:54:45] Voice 5: if there are numbers in a bylaw,

[1:54:47] Voice 5: but if that is not actually sustainable,

[1:54:49] Voice 5: those numbers and those units would not be allowed.

[1:54:53] Voice 5: There would not be allowed to be an increase in density

[1:54:55] Voice 5: to the numbers written down in a bylaw

[1:54:59] Voice 5: if it's not deemed sustainable for water.

[1:55:05] Voice 2: yeah i mean it really comes down which the what the province says as well and um what they

[1:55:11] Voice 2: determine as um if they're sufficient groundwater for whatever densities that they're asking for

[1:55:17] Voice 2: so let's just say if there's a proposed or a density of 10 units in the land use bylaw but

[1:55:24] Voice 2: if the province says like you only have sufficient quality and quantity of water for five commercial

[1:55:28] Voice 2: units then the property owners would only be able to use the five okay

[1:55:33] Voice 5: so that's based on on

[1:55:35] Voice 5: province. Okay. Trustee

[1:55:39] Trustee Maude: Morris, I see you have your hand up.

[1:55:42] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, and I think this is a conversation

[1:55:44] Trustee Morrison: that we do need to dig into because the McKinnon Road one was, from my perspective, one of the

[1:55:49] Trustee Morrison: major sticking points for not proceeding further with the bylaw in the fall. And part of the

[1:55:58] Trustee Morrison: rationale for reducing it even more, and it's a balancing act between the, you know,

[1:56:06] Trustee Morrison: what yeah anyway we can have this conversation more fully on the 25th but historically speaking

[1:56:13] Trustee Morrison: like one of the the arguments for reducing it down was related to the fact that we only do

[1:56:21] Trustee Morrison: land use bylaw work right and so if we as a LTC are not convinced that there is sustainable water

[1:56:29] Trustee Morrison: or there are concerns from the community about the sustainability of water in that area then we

[1:56:34] Trustee Morrison: we should reduce density and require rezoning to be go forward,

[1:56:38] Trustee Morrison: which is more rigorous in terms of like community consultation and proof if

[1:56:42] Trustee Morrison: they want to up the zoning again, because right now the zoning is high.

[1:56:46] Trustee Morrison: So because

[1:56:47] Voice 5: as an owner on that, on that road,

[1:56:50] Voice 5: I can let you know that there is definitely a water problem and there have

[1:56:54] Voice 5: been, I would appreciate if,

[1:56:56] Voice 5: if new council members also read the historical information there has been

[1:57:00] Voice 5: fracking into wells on the previous owners of some of these commercial properties and a drying out of

[1:57:07] Voice 5: residential owners well so very significant concern about any increase in density on that road

[1:57:18] Trustee Morrison: and and just to be clear anything that is proposed right now is a decrease in the current density

[1:57:24] Trustee Morrison: density so the question

[1:57:25] Trustee Morrison: is how much of a decrease in current density is needed in the bylaw that's

[1:57:31] Trustee Morrison: the question that we have to answer and I'm with you on all this I do think we should not have this

[1:57:37] Trustee Morrison: conversation here and now because I think this is a February 25th with the broader community

[1:57:42] Trustee Morrison: conversation

[1:57:43] Voice 5: okay thank you I can't attend in person that day so but other other owners will

[1:57:47] Voice 5: be able to so that's yeah thank you

[1:57:48] Trustee Morrison: then Susan it would be really good though to get your thoughts

[1:57:52] Trustee Morrison: in writing as well

[1:57:53] Voice 5: and how

[1:57:54] Trustee Morrison: should i submit them kim how shall i

[1:57:59] Trustee Morrison: submit them just one sec kim's

[1:58:01] Trustee Morrison: just muted i

[1:58:02] Voice 2: muted south info at islandstrust.bc.ca south info

[1:58:12] Voice 5: islandstrust.bc.ca

[1:58:15] Voice 5: south info at islandstrust.bc.ca okay i will do so thank you thank

[1:58:21] Trustee Maude: you thank you miss pennant okay um

[1:58:23] Trustee Maude: anything else for this meeting so plan a stock till you're you're satisfied and we have given

[1:58:33] Trustee Maude: you your marching orders yes

[1:58:34] Voice 2: thank you i

[1:58:36] Voice 8: did i did have one sort of with with with rescinding

[1:58:43] Voice 3: the

[1:58:45] Voice 8: the bylaws that we have right now if there are things that we want to discuss about how

[1:58:52] Voice 8: how they're currently written or getting more clarification on something

[1:58:58] Voice 8: that's there, sort of why the decision was made, what, you know,

[1:59:02] Voice 8: what might be an amendment to, to the way that it sits.

[1:59:07] Voice 8: How do we have that discussion without having that discussion sort of like

[1:59:13] Voice 8: we're some, obviously Deb and I can't sit down and have a beer and hash

[1:59:18] Voice 8: anything out kind of a thing. I'm just wondering how, how we've,

[1:59:24] Voice 8: transparently have a discussion about some of this stuff that's come up like for myself that

[1:59:28] Voice 8: has heard concerns and i want to get sort of the feedback on how we got to this point and maybe

[1:59:34] Voice 8: you know maybe we can tweak it this way and that makes everybody happy how do we move forward

[1:59:40] Voice 8: between now and the 25th on something like that yeah it's well

[1:59:44] Trustee Maude: what we've found effective on our

[1:59:46] Trustee Maude: island is in is using the planner is it you

[1:59:52] Voice 1: can have a

[1:59:52] Trustee Maude: conversation with the planner then the

[1:59:54] Trustee Maude: planner can have a conversation with your fellow trustee and sort of become this neutral go between

[2:00:00] Trustee Maude: to get information going back and forth between meetings.

[2:00:03] Trustee Maude: I don't know how legitimate that is,

[2:00:05] Trustee Maude: but it's worked very effectively on our end.

[2:00:08] Trustee Morrison: And I also think that like bringing some of those ideas

[2:00:13] Trustee Morrison: in a constructive, like collaborative frame of mind

[2:00:16] Trustee Morrison: into the 24th meeting is, or 25th or whatever it is,

[2:00:20] Trustee Morrison: 25th meeting is like what we should be doing.

[2:00:23] Trustee Morrison: Like, you

[2:00:24] Trustee Morrison: know, like us,

[2:00:24] Trustee Morrison: not necessarily for us to make decisions in that meeting,

[2:00:27] Trustee Morrison: but there are ideas that we have

[2:00:29] Trustee Morrison: that we can actually it's a public meeting it's like transparent for us to talk in that space too

[2:00:35] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[2:00:36] Voice 8: yeah and just so in in this case i know that we're transitioning sort of towards brad

[2:00:42] Voice 8: being sort of the future planner stuff this would go through yourself kim like that would be yeah

[2:00:49] Voice 2: yeah i'm gonna carry the land use bylaw review project through um just based on the the amount

[2:00:55] Voice 2: years i've been working on it and it may take right a while to get up to date and so if you

[2:01:00] Voice 2: have questions trustee campbell or want to bounce ideas off me we can chat over the next couple

[2:01:04] Voice 2: weeks or if there's things that you want to bring forward to february 25th meeting i can help you

[2:01:10] Voice 2: draft some motions or or whatever you may need so we can chat and go from there okay cool

[2:01:16] Voice 3: thank you

[2:01:19] Voice 3: perfect

[2:01:20] Trustee Morrison: um can i just clarify though are we intending to make motions on the 25th

[2:01:24] Trustee Morrison: I

[2:01:25] Trustee Maude: would that's this is now what I don't the 25th meeting is not constituted as being a meeting

[2:01:31] Trustee Maude: meeting correct it's an information meeting information

[2:01:34] Trustee Morrison: meeting yes

[2:01:36] Trustee Maude: don't believe that

[2:01:37] Trustee Maude: we're empowered to make be making motions and that sort of brings perhaps Robert into the

[2:01:42] Trustee Maude: conversations the trustees how much interaction discussion can we have as trustees at that meeting

[2:01:50] Trustee Maude: well

[2:01:51] Voice 7: it's it's a meeting it's an ltc meeting so um you know but

[2:01:55] Trustee Maude: is it an ltc or is it just

[2:01:57] Trustee Maude: an information meeting no

[2:01:58] Voice 7: because because there's a quorum there um you know it is it is technically

[2:02:04] Voice 7: a special meeting of the ltc you're just holding it for the purpose of holding a community

[2:02:09] Voice 7: information meeting at this point anyway but

[2:02:12] Trustee Maude: we won't be making motions you

[2:02:15] Voice 7: could but you could

[2:02:16] Voice 7: if you decide to do that.

[2:02:17] Trustee Maude: But we won't have a recording secretary there.

[2:02:22] Voice 2: Robin will be in attendance.

[2:02:23] Voice 7: Robin will be coming, yeah.

[2:02:24] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:02:26] Voice 2: But the LTC could decide to defer any motions

[2:02:29] Voice 2: if he feels, though, February 25th isn't the right time.

[2:02:33] Voice 2: We could save those until the next LTC meeting

[2:02:35] Voice 2: for March 17th.

[2:02:36] Voice 2: That's fine.

[2:02:37] Voice 3: Yeah,

[2:02:37] Trustee Morrison: I think my concern is that as a norm

[2:02:40] Trustee Morrison: for us moving from step to step,

[2:02:43] Trustee Morrison: what I would like to suggest to make, like,

[2:02:45] Trustee Morrison: calm and reasoned decisions on the LTC, which I know I'm not necessarily that great about

[2:02:50] Trustee Morrison: given last meeting, but it's that I'm going to own that.

[2:02:56] Trustee Morrison: But I think that any motions that we might want to make or thinking that we might want

[2:03:01] Trustee Morrison: to like process during that meeting, that we can list those as proposed things to bring

[2:03:07] Trustee Morrison: into motion in the next meeting so that we can kind of summarize them and hand them off

[2:03:12] Trustee Morrison: to staff so that staff can like make sure they have technically right motions in hand for the

[2:03:17] Trustee Morrison: next meeting and i think that would make the motions themselves a little more solid see hey

[2:03:23] Trustee Morrison: robert i can learn i

[2:03:25] Planner: think that would be better for your community as well if you're seen as just

[2:03:30] Planner: taking that day to listen to them and not

[2:03:32] Planner: rushing to uh any kind of decisions as new trustees yeah

[2:03:37] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I think that's the issue too, yeah.

[2:03:40] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[2:03:43] Voice 3: So are we ready to call for an adjournment?

[2:03:45] Voice 3: I

[2:03:47] Trustee Morrison: call for an adjournment.

[2:03:48] Trustee Maude: Perfect.

[2:03:49] Trustee Maude: All right, so thank you very much, everybody.

[2:03:53] Trustee Maude: It's been educational and entertaining,

[2:03:56] Trustee Maude: and we look forward to seeing everybody at the meeting.

[2:03:59] Voice 3: All right.

[2:04:01] Voice 3: Bye.

[2:04:01] Voice 3: Here's Matt.

[2:04:03] Voice 3: Thanks, everybody. Thanks, everyone.

[2:04:05] Voice 3: Have a good evening.

North Pender Local Trust Committee 
Special Business Meeting 
February 10, 2023 ADOPTED Page 1 of 5 
 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
February 10, 2023 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Aaron Campbell, Trustee 
 Deb Morrison, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager 
 Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Pat Todd, Recorder 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m.  He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
 
3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
3.1 Land Use Bylaw Review  
Planner Stockdill informed the LTC that it is necessary to rescind First and Second 
Readings to make further amendments to the bylaws. By rescinding First and Second 
Readings the proposed Bylaws revert to Draft Bylaws.  As Draft Bylaws the Trustees can 
give specific directions to staff for changes – as proposed Bylaws a formal resolution is 
required to make amendments. 
Planner Stockdill highlighted the items in the Staff Report regarding proposed changes 
to Bylaws No. 223, 224 and 229: 
There is a Special Meeting scheduled for Feb. 25, 2023 to present all proposed changes 
to the community. 
1. Outhouses (privies) 
 Outhouses are governed by Provincial legislation; 
 Outhouses are permitted in Provincial parks; 
 Question of use of outhouses in Community Parks. 
 
A D O P T E D 

 
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2. Port Washington Road 
 Including in LUB would allow informal parking would to be legitimized; 
 The change to Rural Residential 2 from Commercial (C1{a}); 
 The rezoning would just affect the Upland portion of the property, not the 
water zone and foreshore; 
 Site Specific Rural Residential 2 Zone would be applied; 
 Regional Planning Manager (RPM) Kojima reviewed the history of the sliver 
of land near the foreshore; and 
 LTC can amend the zoning application until a Public Hearing is held. 
 
3.  3334 Port Washington Road 
 Temporary Use Permit (TUP) has been in place for the past 8 years; 
 Could legalize TUP by rezoning to a site specific General Industrial Zone; 
 Site designated Industrial in Official Community Plan (OCP) however the 
property is not zoned for Industrial; and 
 Proposed Bylaw 224 would allow changes in uses within TUP. 
 
NP-2023-010 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee, direct staff to write a letter 
to the Capital Regional District to address the issue of outdoor lighting as 
described in the Staff Report dated February 10, 2023. 
CARRIED 
 
Discussion: 
 There has been a three year process to review and propose changes to bylaws 
related to this project; 
 There have been a number of community meetings held regarding the bylaw 
changes related to this project; 
 There should be careful consideration prior to further changes;  
 Need to balance decisions regarding changes with community voices and be 
very clear with the community about any changes and the reasons for the 
changes; and 
 3334 Port Washington Road 
o Question of inclusion of site; 
o Number of neighbours concerned about the rezoning of this property 
especially regarding heavy traffic; 
o There are other sites where this operation could be located that would 
be better suited; 
o It is expected that the owner will be making an application to rezone; 
o Address as a specific conversation with community regarding site; and 
o A “red line” version of proposed changes to the Bylaws would facilitate 
a conversation at a Special Meeting. 
Planner Stockdill informed LTC that Power Point presentation would be added to the 
Project List web site for reference 

 
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NP-2023-011 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Second Reading of Bylaw No. 224, cited as “North Pender Island Land 
Use Bylaw No. 224, 2022” be rescinded. 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-012 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the First Reading of Bylaw No. 224, cited as “North Pender Island Land Use 
Bylaw No. 224, 2022” be rescinded. 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-013 
It was Moved and Seconded. 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to amend draft 
Bylaw No. 224 as follows: to update the subdivision regulation, add a definition 
for compost facility and to create a site specific Community Park 2 Zone that 
would allow for a boat storage structure.  
CARRIED 
NP-2023-014 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Second Reading of the Bylaw No. 223, cited as “North Pender Island Official 
Community Plan Bylaw No. 171, 2007, Amendment No. 1, 2021,” be rescinded. 
 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-015 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that First Reading of the Bylaw No. 223, cited as “North Pender Island Official 
Community Plan Bylaw No. 171, 2007, Amendment No. 1, 2021,” be rescinded. 
 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-016 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Second Reading of the Bylaw No. 229, cited as “North Pender Island Land 
Use Bylaw No. 224, 2022, Amendment No. 1, 2022,” be rescinded. 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-017 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that First Reading of the Bylaw No. 229, cited as “North Pender Island Land Use 
Bylaw No. 224, 2022, Amendment No. 1, 2022,” be rescinded. 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-018 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to amend daft 
Bylaw No. 223 to redesignate 1200 and 1201 Port Washington Road from 
Commercial to Rural Residential. 
 CARRIED 
 
  

 
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NP-2023-019 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to amend draft 
Bylaw No. 229 to rezone 1200 and 1201 Port Washington Road to a site specific 
Rural Residential 2 zone that would only permit 1 dwelling within the zone and 
to rezone the Upland Magic Lake area from Rural Residential 1 zone to a site 
specific Community Park 2. 
CARRIED 
 
  Format for the Special Meeting 
 Speak to the background of the review and reasons for solutions and 
alternatives explored; 
 Budgetary feedback with the Trustees to be transparent with public 
allocation of funds to be discussed; and  
 Share the information discussed on Facebook and through web 
postings. 
 
Discussion: 
 Regarding the allowed Square footage of a dwelling, there would be a split  of 
footage between the buildings on the property;  
 There is a diversity of housing options including larger lots e.g., 5 acres plus; 
 There has been discussion of zoning for tiny homes and one positive reason to 
have tiny homes is that they have less of an environmental impact while 
providing sufficient and safe housing.  The LTC could look at zoning for tiny 
houses; 
 Some tiny homes can have CSA approval; 
 CRD would issue permits for a Tiny Home; 
 The ‘Shed’ on Port Washington Road is within Provincial responsibility:  RPM 
Kojima reviewed the history of site and the Province does not seem to have the 
capacity to tear the shed down; and 
 Tearing down the ‘Shed’ could be a question of liability for the province. 
 
NP-2023-020 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to write a letter 
to the Province to request a conversation about the future of the Port 
Washington Road shed. 
CARRIED 
  
Trustee Morrison clarified that March 24 LTC had been rescheduled for March 17. 
 
NP-2023-021 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Local Trust Committee request staff to reschedule the 
Regular Local Trust Committee meeting for March 24, 2023 to March 17, 2023. 
 

 
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CARRIED 
 
Susan Bennett (public attendee) spoke to the McKinnon Road density which is included 
as part of Bylaw 224 which is still in draft.  There are concerns regarding water 
availability for the density being discussed for this property. 
 
The current density of this property is proposed to be decreased and the site will be 
discussed at the LTC Special Meeting.  Correspondence regarding concerns/issues may 
be sent to southinfo@islandstrust.bc.ca. 
 
4. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 3:15 p.m. 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
David Maude, Chair 
 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
________________________ 
Pat Todd, Recorder