Islands Trust Council regular meeting, March 7, 2023

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[0:00:47] Voice 7: The

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[0:00:49] Voice 25: If you can just start recording now.

[0:02:04] Voice 25: Everybody, if

[0:02:05] Trustee Patrick: you'd like to join your computer,

[0:02:07] Trustee Patrick: the password is best view.

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[0:02:21] Voice 25: No, no offense.

[0:03:10] Voice 25: Yeah. So,

[0:05:16] Trustee Luckham: Council, if we could find our chairs and note the recording has begun.

[0:08:01] Voice 25: Well, good afternoon, Council.

[0:08:06] Trustee Luckham: It's a pleasure to sit here and see you all together today.

[0:08:11] Trustee Luckham: I want to begin by acknowledging that we're meeting here on Snanemo territory.

[0:08:18] Trustee Luckham: Broadly, we all live in Coast Salish territory.

[0:08:20] Trustee Luckham: Jordan. And it's a pleasure and honor to wake up every day in this amazing place of which there's

[0:08:27] Trustee Luckham: lots of opportunity for us to learn about this place and the people that have lived here since

[0:08:31] Trustee Luckham: time immemorial. And I want to thank you for the work that you do. And I want to thank staff for

[0:08:38] Trustee Luckham: the work that they do and the preserve and protect work that we do on Coast Salish Territory.

[0:08:43] Trustee Luckham: I just want to note, we have Elder Lolly from Stenemo Nation that is going to join us and welcome us to the meeting.

[0:08:54] Trustee Luckham: Unfortunately, she's been delayed, and so we will accommodate that welcome when she arrives.

[0:09:00] Trustee Luckham: It may be at the break.

[0:09:02] Trustee Luckham: It might be sooner than that, but we'll accommodate that welcome remark from Elder Lolly as soon as she arrives.

[0:09:09] Trustee Luckham: lives. So before I call the meeting to order, I would just like to go around by way for

[0:09:19] Trustee Luckham: introductions to each of you, for members of the audience and for each other. On committees,

[0:09:25] Trustee Luckham: we often see each other in Zoom meetings, but that doesn't necessarily happen with everybody

[0:09:29] Trustee Luckham: everywhere. And so I'm going to start on my left-hand side with Deb down at the corner table

[0:09:34] Trustee Luckham: and just introduce yourself, the island you're from, and we'll go around the table.

[0:09:41] Voice 31: Deb Morrison, Stayus Island, North Pender Island, the territory of WSANIC peoples. Thank you very much.

[0:09:52] Voice 27: Joe Bernardo from Keats Island, which is part of the Gambier local trust area.

[0:09:56] Voice 27: Aaron

[0:10:01] Voice 16: Campbell, North Pender, part of the WSANIC peoples territory.

[0:10:08] Voice 15: Grant Scott, Hornby Island.

[0:10:13] Voice 30: Susan Yates, Gabriola local trust area, home of the Snenemoch First Nation.

[0:10:18] Voice 30: Dag

[0:10:21] Voice 6: Falk, South Pender. Ben

[0:10:25] Voice 7: Maberly, Galliano.

[0:10:27] Voice 29: Janine Dodds, Maine Island, on reserve lands with Starlip, long time home of the Coast Salish.

[0:10:35] Voice 14: Alex Allen, Hornby Island, the unceded territory of Comox First Nations and other Coast Salish peoples.

[0:10:46] Voice 16: Sam Borthwick, Denman Island, also in the Comox First Nations territories.

[0:10:56] Voice 25: David

[0:10:58] Trustee Maude: Maude from Main Island, a traditional home of the West

[0:11:01] Trustee Maude: Salic and other Coast Salish people. And

[0:11:06] Trustee Luckham: of course Peter Lockham, elected on Thetis Island in

[0:11:09] Trustee Luckham: Laiakson and Penelope Territory. Pleasure to be here.

[0:11:13] Voice 8: Tim Peterson from Ahuete, Laskete Island,

[0:11:16] Voice 8: territory of many Coast Salish peoples and treaty territory of the Tlalaman Nation.

[0:11:24] Voice 19: Toby Elliott, elected on Gabriela Island, ancestral and unceded territory of the

[0:11:30] Voice 19: the Snaniamik First Nation.

[0:11:36] Voice 25: Makaila, Laroni, Laskiti, Hoyate.

[0:11:41] Voice 4: Lisa Gobro, Galliano Island,

[0:11:43] Voice 4: unceded territory, Coast Salish.

[0:11:47] Voice 33: Judy Getty, Bowen Island,

[0:11:48] Voice 33: territory of the Squamish, the Tsleil-Waututh,

[0:11:51] Voice 33: and the Musqueam.

[0:11:54] Voice 3: Christina Evans, from South Panda,

[0:11:57] Voice 3: traditional unceded territories of many Coast Salish people.

[0:12:04] Trustee Patrick: Laura Patrick, Salt Spring Island,

[0:12:06] Trustee Patrick: also territories of many Coast Salish nations.

[0:12:12] Voice 25: Jamie Harris, Salt Spring Island.

[0:12:14] Voice 25: Maureen

[0:12:18] Voice 32: Bowland, Saturna Island.

[0:12:22] Trustee Stamford: Kate Stamford from Chaltonwich, Gambier, Kate's local trust area.

[0:12:30] Voice 18: Sue Ellen Fast from Nuklelechwem, which is Bowen Island, the mouth of Alkitsam House

[0:12:36] Voice 18: Hound, territory of the Squamish Nation.

[0:12:43] Voice 2: Lee Middleton from Saturna Island, Tickkitson.

[0:12:46] Voice 2: Nice to be here.

[0:12:48] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:12:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:12:52] Trustee Luckham: And David, Don Lyne there.

[0:12:55] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair Luckham.

[0:12:56] Voice 11: David Graham, Devon Island, it's traditional territory of the Comox. Sorry I couldn't be

[0:13:00] Voice 11: with you today. I really wanted to.

[0:13:04] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, David. Thank you, everybody. That's a good

[0:13:06] Trustee Luckham: microphone check. And for those of you that may be a little intimidated by the microphone, do bring

[0:13:13] Trustee Luckham: it a little closer to your mouth so that we can hear you more clearly for the recording, more so

[0:13:18] Trustee Luckham: so then for in the room.

[0:13:20] Trustee Luckham: So thank you everyone.

[0:13:24] Trustee Luckham: So we have an agenda before us,

[0:13:28] Trustee Luckham: and I just want to note that item 4.22 trust council

[0:13:34] Trustee Luckham: Island meeting schedule.

[0:13:36] Trustee Luckham: There's been some late breaking information

[0:13:38] Trustee Luckham: about potential for a June in-person meeting,

[0:13:41] Trustee Luckham: which has been not previously available to us.

[0:13:46] Trustee Luckham: and so i'm going to ask that we defer i'm going to defer that item to item 7.14 before we have

[0:13:52] Trustee Luckham: the budget discussion um as there may be a budget implication there but just let you know that

[0:13:57] Trustee Luckham: that's going to be deferred to 7.15 and i'll just ask at this time if there's any new business that

[0:14:03] Trustee Luckham: needs to be added to the agenda or any other changes uh on the agenda oh oh uh grant scott

[0:14:15] Voice 15: Last weekend, we did Herring Fest, and we presented a 10-minute video called the Silver

[0:14:21] Voice 15: Highway about the herring that come around from the outside, come all the way through

[0:14:26] Voice 15: our Gulf Islands, come up to Hornby Spawn, go back around.

[0:14:29] Voice 15: So I'd like to show this 10-minute video at some point, if I could.

[0:14:34] Trustee Luckham: That's a lot to ask of the agenda that we have with so many business items with that.

[0:14:40] Trustee Luckham: I would perhaps suggest that that might be something you might like to do Wednesday evening

[0:14:44] Trustee Luckham: somehow imagine we could facilitate that um rather than trying to incorporate it within the agenda

[0:14:49] Trustee Luckham: um if that's all right sure fair enough okay thank you um anything else to add to the agenda

[0:14:55] Trustee Luckham: all right then i'm going to then take it uh by general consent that the agenda be adopted um as

[0:15:03] Trustee Luckham: uh presented and um i want to thank everybody actually as we launch into this agenda here um

[0:15:10] Trustee Luckham: all the staff that have worked to prepare the agenda the executive committee sitting with me

[0:15:15] Trustee Luckham: here at the front table with ensuring that everything is in place for you to have informed

[0:15:22] Trustee Luckham: decision making and also to respect the time available to us to have as much conversation

[0:15:27] Trustee Luckham: time as we can and less reporting out. So there's a lot of items that have been moved to the consent

[0:15:33] Trustee Luckham: agenda section of each of the sections in front of us, which essentially means that unless there's

[0:15:39] Trustee Luckham: a need to talk about it, that somebody has a need to talk about it, that we will just receive them

[0:15:43] Trustee Luckham: them for information and move on to the items of which are listed as discussion items. And so when

[0:15:50] Trustee Luckham: I'll be asking for you to, by show of hands, if there's anything on the consent agenda list that

[0:15:56] Trustee Luckham: you would like removed from the consent agenda to have a discussion. And I think as in my email that

[0:16:02] Trustee Luckham: I sent out earlier, hopefully any questions that you had prior to meeting today, you were able to

[0:16:09] Trustee Luckham: reach out to staff and get the answers rather than the necessity to discuss particular elements of

[0:16:16] Trustee Luckham: it. So with that said, I'm going to start moving through the agenda. And just as a general

[0:16:24] Trustee Luckham: awareness thing, it's terrific to be in place together here all today and always. And just

[0:16:34] Trustee Luckham: just ask you to be cognizant and respectful of your airtime and other people's airtime.

[0:16:42] Trustee Luckham: And in that, keeping in mind that there's 15 of us that are here that are new, that may want to

[0:16:48] Trustee Luckham: ask questions or not understand it, there may be a necessity for some patients on the parts of

[0:16:53] Trustee Luckham: others in order to facilitate the conversation going forward and providing the equal opportunity

[0:16:59] Trustee Luckham: for everybody to be heard and have their concerns addressed but let's ultimately always be kind

[0:17:05] Trustee Luckham: and respectful and let's stick to the agenda and the process that we have before us to conduct our

[0:17:11] Trustee Luckham: business over the short two days really that we have together so I'm going to stop talking

[0:17:19] Trustee Luckham: and start at item 3.1 which is the consent agenda items we have three items there

[0:17:27] Trustee Luckham: there. 3.11 through 3.13. And unless there's a necessity for discussion, I'll look for a show of

[0:17:34] Trustee Luckham: hands. Then we will receive those as presented. And I see Deb Morrison does have her hand up.

[0:17:44] Trustee Luckham: And so which item do you wish to speak to, Deb? So 3.13. Okay. Anybody else? All right. So I'm

[0:17:57] Trustee Luckham: 3.11 and 3.12 be adopted as recommended in those each of those items and i'm going to go to item

[0:18:05] Trustee Luckham: 3.13 the trust council follow-up action list that's on page 33 of your agenda package and

[0:18:11] Trustee Luckham: deb morrison over to you thank

[0:18:14] Voice 31: you um i just have a quick question about page 33 um item number one

[0:18:19] Voice 31: on the follow-up action list it um i would love to have just a little update on where we're at

[0:18:24] Voice 31: with that and in particular for communications with our communities because this is a budgetary

[0:18:29] Voice 31: kind of related item it would be really helpful if this was framed not as request additional funding

[0:18:36] Voice 31: but request the province to contribute its portion because we're not actually asking for money on top

[0:18:41] Voice 31: of the existing budget we're asking for the province to contribute a bigger portion of our

[0:18:46] Voice 31: current budget so if that could be shifted somehow on that item just because we're having a

[0:18:52] Voice 31: communication challenge around the budget thank you hey

[0:18:56] Trustee Luckham: thank you is there a remark there from

[0:18:58] Trustee Luckham: staff with respect to changing that item or

[0:19:01] Voice 25: status is that the question sorry

[0:19:10] Voice 31: i'm just curious where

[0:19:11] Voice 31: we're at with that because i my understanding is we are still on a very small portion of the budget

[0:19:15] Voice 31: and it's been on here for a long time is it an every year thing is it a you know once every

[0:19:20] Voice 31: three months thing that we kind of go and prop them like just if it would be helpful to state

[0:19:24] Voice 31: state like when that item gets touched okay

[0:19:27] Voice 9: ceo uh thank you mr chair and good afternoon to trust

[0:19:31] Voice 9: council so this has been on the um on the docket for um a while um there's been continued discussion

[0:19:39] Voice 9: around the best approach to this and it is uh would be a strategic systematic approach which

[0:19:48] Voice 9: isn't in place at this time and two or three since this letter was given this direction was made

[0:19:56] Voice 9: um the islands trust has uh undertaken two things one a full governance report which the province

[0:20:02] Voice 9: is well aware of and has communicated back to you to say what progress are you making on that

[0:20:09] Voice 9: i suspect that that's would be related to this request in some way and then secondly a request

[0:20:17] Voice 9: by trust council for a reconsideration of um essentially um the essence of the trust in terms

[0:20:24] Voice 9: of its governance how it functions and you did get a response back from the minister that

[0:20:30] Voice 9: essentially says what i said a moment or two ago and that is um as you undertake your work

[0:20:35] Voice 9: and are successful let's get back together and discuss it so from a work plan perspective this

[0:20:42] Voice 9: This isn't an active request, though it could be made such at your direction, but I would

[0:20:50] Voice 9: recommend a strong strategic analysis associated with how to get to be successful there.

[0:20:54] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:20:57] Voice 9: Thank you, CAO.

[0:20:58] Trustee Luckham: Is there anything else on the follow-up action list anybody wish to seek clarity on?

[0:21:08] Trustee Luckham: And I'm just wanting to be cognizant of David Graham.

[0:21:11] Trustee Luckham: I don't see him on the screen, so I'm counting on David Mahler, who's helping me with the

[0:21:16] Trustee Luckham: legislative process here to be sure that i'm not missing david graham and i see grant scott has a

[0:21:20] Trustee Luckham: hand up about the follow-up action list yeah

[0:21:23] Voice 15: uh could you tell me why number two here is on hold

[0:21:26] Voice 15: which one number two on the follow-up action report

[0:21:30] Voice 23: that

[0:21:32] Trustee Luckham: was direction of council um at the

[0:21:35] Trustee Luckham: last council meeting yeah i just wondered why i

[0:21:39] Voice 15: don't recall why exactly it's been on it's on hold

[0:21:45] Voice 25: can you repeat the question okay

[0:21:53] Voice 9: i think the question is why is this on hold and i just

[0:21:57] Voice 9: provide a quick administrative answer at your last meeting there was a motion from the floor

[0:22:01] Voice 9: you discussed it and you decided this is the time to put this matter on hold and you voted and that

[0:22:06] Voice 9: was the direction it was provided so that's where we sit right now

[0:22:09] Trustee Luckham: yeah and for clarity trustee

[0:22:11] Trustee Luckham: harris brought the motion of the floor it was moved and seconded and endorsed by council and

[0:22:15] Trustee Luckham: And so that too, on hold, is a work in progress until we analyze the situation.

[0:22:20] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[0:22:21] Trustee Luckham: Anything further on the follow-up action list?

[0:22:24] Trustee Luckham: You okay, Jamie?

[0:22:25] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[0:22:27] Trustee Luckham: Good.

[0:22:30] Trustee Luckham: Leave the microphone on.

[0:22:32] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:22:32] Trustee Luckham: 3.2.

[0:22:33] Trustee Luckham: This is an opportunity for you to get some air time and me to get less air time.

[0:22:38] Trustee Luckham: Did I see a hand up somewhere?

[0:22:39] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:22:41] Trustee Luckham: Sorry.

[0:22:42] Trustee Luckham: So 3.2.1, trustee roundtable.

[0:22:45] Trustee Luckham: And I'm going to start on the opposite side of the room, as is my nature.

[0:22:48] Trustee Luckham: and ask you to tell us what's going on what's important and happening in your in your

[0:22:57] Trustee Luckham: neighborhoods or your islands and we've allocated normally two minutes to this portion I know that's

[0:23:06] Trustee Luckham: short but of course with 26 of us that's an hour with pauses in between so as you know I can be

[0:23:15] Trustee Luckham: be generous, but don't go too far along. Of course, if one trustee from a trust area doesn't

[0:23:22] Trustee Luckham: speak, there's an opportunity to be a little bit more slack there. But let's begin with Lee

[0:23:25] Trustee Luckham: Middleton, and we'll conclude when we're done.

[0:23:31] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair. I'll focus on something that

[0:23:36] Voice 2: was in local media most recently, which was the acquisition of what they call Fisher Bluffs on

[0:23:43] Voice 2: on Saturna, this is by the Nature Trust of BC.

[0:23:46] Voice 2: And we worked quite hard,

[0:23:48] Voice 2: actually Paul Brand worked very hard on this file

[0:23:49] Voice 2: before I took it over in order to help facilitate

[0:23:53] Voice 2: the acquisition of these lands for conservation

[0:23:56] Voice 2: in perpetuity as the Nature Trust say.

[0:23:59] Voice 2: And I want to thank staff who were very flexible

[0:24:03] Voice 2: and worked very hard in terms of using our zoning power.

[0:24:05] Voice 2: And Saturna has a fairly unique thing

[0:24:07] Voice 2: called a community amenity density reserve,

[0:24:10] Voice 2: which allows us to move densities one one from one area of property to to another

[0:24:15] Voice 2: a little closer i'm getting sign language i was trying to interpret that i thought there we go

[0:24:21] Voice 2: how's that good this means move the mic closer just so you know um and so um so that that's

[0:24:31] Voice 2: uh that's been what's been officially announced um um i think about a week ago and so we're

[0:24:38] Voice 2: working on another parcel with the nature trust uh some people may complain once we're finished

[0:24:43] Voice 2: we've actually conserved almost all the island and there's really nowhere for anybody to live

[0:24:47] Voice 2: or anything for the ounce trust to further do if that happens we'll let you know um but uh

[0:24:54] Voice 2: yeah the island is i think pushing probably 57 58 conserved uh land now with the national park

[0:25:00] Voice 2: reserve so um but this this acquisition is very special and it what it does it connects corridor

[0:25:06] Voice 2: or a protected land from tidewater on the west side of the island

[0:25:12] Voice 2: to tidewater on the east side of the island.

[0:25:14] Voice 2: And were the participants sufficiently motivated,

[0:25:17] Voice 2: as in the landowners now, the Conservancy and the National Park,

[0:25:21] Voice 2: there's potential for an extremely interesting hiking,

[0:25:24] Voice 2: multi-day hiking trail from one side of the island to the other.

[0:25:28] Voice 2: So it's definitely a transition from, it's interesting,

[0:25:31] Voice 2: a lot of that land was former tree farm licenses.

[0:25:33] Voice 2: And so, in some ways, this is a transition from that economy to perhaps a more recreation-based economy, lamented by some.

[0:25:43] Voice 2: It's a change, but I think it's quite exciting.

[0:25:48] Voice 2: So, I'll just focus on that.

[0:25:50] Voice 2: And once again, thanks to staff for helping facilitate this conservation initiative.

[0:25:56] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:25:57] Voice 2: Thank you, Lee.

[0:25:59] Trustee Luckham: Sue Ellen Fast.

[0:26:02] Voice 18: Thank you, Chair.

[0:26:03] Voice 18: From Bowen Island, I would just like to mention something that we've recently put into place

[0:26:12] Voice 18: called the Site Alteration Bylaw.

[0:26:14] Voice 18: And this was a project of the previous council, but it's just some regulations around blasting

[0:26:21] Voice 18: and changing the surface of the land parameters, because we have had some big subdivisions

[0:26:30] Voice 18: and rezonings where the land has been changed significantly.

[0:26:35] Voice 18: And so this keeps the natural, more natural character

[0:26:38] Voice 18: or at least allows for that to happen.

[0:26:41] Voice 18: I would like to draw people's attention to the,

[0:26:43] Voice 18: somebody's been asking me about the

[0:26:46] Voice 18: Mannion Bay License of Occupation.

[0:26:49] Voice 18: So this is, we had a situation with liveaboards,

[0:26:54] Voice 18: lots and lots of buoys and abandoned vessels,

[0:26:57] Voice 18: disappearing eelgrass and public swimming beaches and those are just some of the things but it was

[0:27:04] Voice 18: an attempt to restore the environmental and community well-being so we took out a license

[0:27:10] Voice 18: of occupation from the province for the whole bay and there's a whole page about it if you want to

[0:27:15] Voice 18: look up more at bowenislandmunicipality.ca and search for the word buoy or the word manion

[0:27:22] Voice 18: or something like that that's or ask me thank you i'm going to leave k project curtis to um

[0:27:27] Voice 18: my fellow trustees to talk about oh

[0:27:39] Voice 25: i'm sorry distracted but while i'm distracted

[0:27:46] Trustee Luckham: let's just continue for the moment i just want to make tell you advise everybody that the

[0:27:50] Trustee Luckham: webmail is down because this the router the server in the hotel has blacklisted us for some reason

[0:27:58] Trustee Luckham: and so can't imagine why so anyway so webmail will not be working and why don't you continue

[0:28:04] Trustee Luckham: and we'll figure out what's going to happen in the meantime thank

[0:28:08] Trustee Stamford: you chair i'm going to focus on

[0:28:11] Trustee Stamford: an event i got to go to it this uh in Nanaimo a couple of weeks ago i was privileged to be

[0:28:18] Trustee Stamford: able to attend the local government leadership academy and this is it provides training for

[0:28:27] Trustee Stamford: for new members of local government, municipalities, and regional directors.

[0:28:33] Trustee Stamford: It's a lot of good sessions for our other equivalent bodies,

[0:28:38] Trustee Stamford: but there were some informational sessions and workshops

[0:28:41] Trustee Stamford: that I think would have been valuable for trustees as well.

[0:28:45] Trustee Stamford: The highlights were a keynote by Andrea Reimer,

[0:28:50] Trustee Stamford: which was 10 best takeaways from her time on Vancouver City Council.

[0:28:54] Trustee Stamford: Council. Very inspiring speaker and a lot of useful information. We also received a presentation

[0:29:02] Trustee Stamford: workshop by Dr. Gordon McIntosh and he presented a session on roles and responsibilities and

[0:29:09] Trustee Stamford: responsible guidelines, decision-making guidelines, organizational success guidelines, and some of you

[0:29:16] Trustee Stamford: may know Dr. McIntosh as he's a community member on Saturna and a former CAO of the Islands Trust.

[0:29:23] Trustee Stamford: He was, in fact, one of two speakers who had formerly worked for the Trust.

[0:29:27] Trustee Stamford: We may want to think about bringing him on as a speaker for a special session.

[0:29:33] Trustee Stamford: He is very engaging, funny, and really gets the points across about what can be done.

[0:29:43] Trustee Stamford: One of the other things I learned at LGLA was speaking to the media, which came in handy

[0:29:47] Trustee Stamford: because CBC called me last week about the Queen of Tawasin

[0:29:53] Trustee Stamford: that continues to moulder just off Gambier Island,

[0:29:57] Trustee Stamford: and I managed to turn it around into a discussion.

[0:30:00] Trustee Stamford: about the more concerning issues which is follow through for abandoned and

[0:30:04] Trustee Stamford: derelict vessels structures and how do we deal with end-of-life processes for

[0:30:09] Trustee Stamford: that kind of concern certainly growing in the house sound as more storms are

[0:30:15] Trustee Stamford: washing up structures of all different kinds on our beaches finally I've been

[0:30:22] Trustee Stamford: busy learning about regional district budget processes and view it with what

[0:30:27] Trustee Stamford: we do here through the lens of their functions and regional service priorities. Also, I want to

[0:30:34] Trustee Stamford: acknowledge that regional districts suffer with many of the provincial funding allocation

[0:30:38] Trustee Stamford: challenges that we face at the Honours Trust. It

[0:30:41] Trustee Stamford: will behoove us to support our RDs and their bid

[0:30:44] Trustee Stamford: for more realistic and modernized funding formulas in our bid for the same considerations from the

[0:30:51] Trustee Stamford: province thank you thank

[0:30:54] Trustee Luckham: you may read uh

[0:30:56] Voice 32: hello marie poland again saturn island i think lee has

[0:31:00] Voice 32: pretty much covered um a report from saturn island i i would like to thank lee for his work

[0:31:07] Voice 32: with paul and others in achieving that transfer of land which is really quite remarkable and more

[0:31:16] Voice 32: in the pipeline I believe. We had a number of local trust meetings which went very smoothly

[0:31:23] Voice 32: and due to really excellent preparation and support from our planner and yeah I hope things

[0:31:32] Voice 32: continue to run as smoothly. It was very pleasant to be there and feel the support from the community

[0:31:39] Voice 32: for pretty much everything that was proposed thank you jamie

[0:31:45] Voice 10: harris thank you jamie harris

[0:31:50] Voice 10: salt spring island um population of 12 000 home to many local indigenous many of many of whom

[0:32:02] Voice 10: supported my election to the islands trust there's been a significant development on the island

[0:32:10] Voice 10: regarding local indigenous who have for a long time only been card carrying status indian

[0:32:17] Voice 10: officially but now many are being absorbed or welcomed into the cowichan band so i'm really

[0:32:26] Voice 10: looking forward to consulting with them in the future um regarding anything islands trust as

[0:32:32] Voice 10: far as policy and regulations go i'll leave it at that thank

[0:32:37] Trustee Luckham: you jamie laura patrick's ultimate

[0:32:39] Trustee Luckham: me thank

[0:32:43] Trustee Patrick: you laura patrick from salt spring island uh i'm really enjoy working with trustee

[0:32:50] Trustee Patrick: harris and we've only just begun our strategic planning process and we've got far more to go

[0:32:55] Trustee Patrick: um salt spring i always report on some of the challenges we're having and

[0:33:00] Trustee Patrick: gosh the guardian the guardian weekly have ran an article on lake tahoe has a people problem

[0:33:07] Trustee Patrick: we could just remove the word lake tahoe and insert salt spring and it would work perfectly

[0:33:13] Trustee Patrick: fine they had a planning agency established in 1969 to regulate development and the environment

[0:33:19] Trustee Patrick: and to protect the environment and they're having trouble balancing that and you know they said that

[0:33:29] Trustee Patrick: we don't have

[0:33:30] Trustee Patrick: a good track record we're we don't have have that and basically they said without

[0:33:35] Trustee Patrick: meaningful change, they fear they're going to lose the social fabric and there won't be much

[0:33:40] Trustee Patrick: left for those who live here or for tourists. And Salt Spring, we're continuing to suffer some very

[0:33:48] Trustee Patrick: severe workforce shortage, just like everywhere else, but we're on an island and it's extremely

[0:33:54] Trustee Patrick: concerning. The local trust committee did decide to submit feedback on the BC Ferry Service

[0:34:02] Trustee Patrick: performance term six submission.

[0:34:05] Trustee Patrick: We passed a motion where the letter will be going

[0:34:08] Trustee Patrick: to the ferry commissioner and to the minister

[0:34:11] Trustee Patrick: of transportation and infrastructure

[0:34:13] Trustee Patrick: for asking that the ferry service be linked,

[0:34:18] Trustee Patrick: the ferry and terminal service be linked

[0:34:21] Trustee Patrick: to proactive community planning

[0:34:24] Trustee Patrick: that supports sustainable growth

[0:34:26] Trustee Patrick: within the mandate of the Islands Trust.

[0:34:27] Trustee Patrick: trust. We had the wildfire or resiliency work that we're doing. Transition Salt Spring hosted

[0:34:35] Trustee Patrick: a workshop on our behalf last week. It was really exciting and a good, good step. I know,

[0:34:42] Trustee Patrick: thanks, Trustee Morrison. I think Kate Lou Sanford, I don't know if anyone else was able

[0:34:46] Trustee Patrick: to make it. I think it was a good, good step and moved in a direction and look forward to where

[0:34:50] Trustee Patrick: that's going. Last, just last night, the Ag Alliance are kicking off more work to really try to

[0:34:58] Trustee Patrick: move food security discussion to something more serious and the agricultural use on our

[0:35:04] Trustee Patrick: our island and i'm sure that's something many of you are having issues with so

[0:35:08] Trustee Patrick: i'd love to hear from you thanks

[0:35:11] Trustee Luckham: christina evans south pender thank

[0:35:15] Voice 3: you um so south pender we had

[0:35:18] Voice 3: our first ltc meeting which went rather well and one item that was um closed there was the

[0:35:24] Voice 3: correction to the Brooks Point Conservation Park, so that was very good. We've got an LTC

[0:35:33] Voice 3: special meeting scheduled for March 25th, where the community is going to be providing their

[0:35:39] Voice 3: feedback to myself and DAG as to what direction they would like to see us head over the next

[0:35:46] Voice 3: period. I also attended the LGLA conference, but I attended it in the Richmond branch. That was a

[0:35:54] Voice 3: a very very good conference and i highly recommend it if anyone have has the opportunity to go there

[0:35:59] Voice 3: was brilliant speakers there and really good networking and great information um on south

[0:36:06] Voice 3: pender um we had two additional beach cleans scheduled we've got one coming up march 18th

[0:36:12] Voice 3: and um then there's also the earth day that's still coming up that's done by the conservation

[0:36:17] Voice 3: group on april 22nd and the first one that we had on february 25th we actually filled an entire truck

[0:36:23] Voice 3: truck full of garbage which was brilliant so that was that was very good so i will leave it there

[0:36:29] Voice 3: and say thank you thank

[0:36:32] Trustee Luckham: you judith getty um bowen

[0:36:35] Voice 33: island so um we're part of metro vancouver

[0:36:40] Voice 33: regional district and they have a large holdings in terms of regional parks and there's one large

[0:36:48] Voice 33: one already on Bowen Island, Crippen Park and they have also gone into and signed an agreement

[0:36:55] Voice 33: to purchase another 240 acres on the far southwest corner of the island and they announced just

[0:37:02] Voice 33: before the election that they were going to open up campground and camping has never been allowed

[0:37:07] Voice 33: on Bowen so it's a huge surprise and turns out they were given all sorts of encouragement and

[0:37:13] Voice 33: assurances from the previous council that this would be um resoundingly accepted by the the

[0:37:20] Voice 33: islanders and that is not the case so um we're now in the process of finally getting their application

[0:37:27] Voice 33: to rezone to allow for camping and um there's a whole lot of activity and chatter and um facebook's

[0:37:37] Voice 33: going wild and um we had a visit from the senior uh politicians last week and they gave us a tour

[0:37:44] Voice 33: of our beloved island and um let us know that if you're standing at the south shore you can

[0:37:50] Voice 33: actually see ubc and we were all deeply appreciated of their understanding of our level of understanding

[0:37:57] Voice 33: um so it has um we're getting a lot of pressure from those senior politicians not the staff

[0:38:04] Voice 33: to complete and get the rezoning done

[0:38:09] Voice 33: before they close on May the 9th,

[0:38:11] Voice 33: which is just impossible in terms of our normal practice.

[0:38:15] Voice 33: And what we've done instead is say that we're interested

[0:38:20] Voice 33: and we want to study it.

[0:38:21] Voice 33: And it's gone to, I think, about eight different committees

[0:38:24] Voice 33: to try and get some in-depth.

[0:38:27] Voice 33: And at this point, because the application is so narrow

[0:38:30] Voice 33: and limited, we're recognizing

[0:38:33] Voice 33: recognizing and identifying gaps and asking for a lot more information so um the process will

[0:38:40] Voice 33: take some time it's not going to complete by may the 9th and um we're sidetracked from all

[0:38:45] Voice 33: the other important things that we need to work on as well but um it's been very interesting

[0:38:53] Trustee Luckham: thank you judas lisa gabbro galliano island thank

[0:38:58] Voice 4: you um what's happening on galliano uh quite a bit

[0:39:01] Voice 4: The snowstorm on February 27th and 28th caused a lot of damage with the prolonged power outages.

[0:39:09] Voice 4: Many of the trees that were weakened by drought were coming down.

[0:39:15] Voice 4: Shout out to our road crews for keeping the roads clear and to BC Housing for quickly responding to the outages.

[0:39:23] Voice 4: Many of our residents have raised concerns about the commercial building inspection process.

[0:39:29] Voice 4: process. Yeah, process of the CRD, the slowness and issuing permits and signing off of them is

[0:39:37] Voice 4: affecting the economy on our island. A group of business owners is meeting and organizing

[0:39:42] Voice 4: to meet with Director Brent to discuss that in the coming weeks. There have been many

[0:39:49] Voice 4: conversations around bylaw enforcement at our LTC meetings and in our community. I look forward to

[0:39:54] Voice 4: to the discussion during our council meeting,

[0:39:58] Voice 4: which provide an understanding of the process.

[0:40:01] Voice 4: At our February LTC meeting,

[0:40:04] Voice 4: we moved to have our APC comment

[0:40:06] Voice 4: on Galvano's future projects list,

[0:40:09] Voice 4: looking for recommendations

[0:40:10] Voice 4: for major and minor projects for our team.

[0:40:14] Voice 4: Emergency access planning,

[0:40:16] Voice 4: review of the road network plan,

[0:40:19] Voice 4: Wise Island bylaw review,

[0:40:21] Voice 4: were among some of our work program review topics.

[0:40:25] Voice 4: I'd like to see a special meeting myself around forests.

[0:40:29] Voice 4: I will be bringing together the Trust Conservancy and other organizations to talk about the role of forests and climate mitigation.

[0:40:38] Voice 4: Our community is asking for this, and I look forward to creating space for these conversations.

[0:40:44] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:40:46] Voice 25: Thank you.

[0:40:47] Voice 25: Michaela Luroni, Laskiti, of course.

[0:40:53] Voice 28: All right.

[0:40:54] Voice 28: Right. Well, it's been winter on Luskete. So there's not a lot happening.

[0:40:59] Voice 28: I mean, even the gossip is down, honestly.

[0:41:03] Voice 28: It's the 400 people there. It's what we do for fun.

[0:41:07] Voice 28: And I know what a lot of people have been coming up to me concerned about is how much fuel they're going through,

[0:41:13] Voice 28: because there's been so little rain that nobody is able to rely on their hydroelectric or little water wheels to produce electricity.

[0:41:20] Voice 28: electricity so I work at a gas station my boss is pretty happy he's been selling a lot of jerry

[0:41:25] Voice 28: cans but it's concerning our OCP is still crawling along it will get there and yeah I'm excited about

[0:41:38] Voice 28: our APC we've got a really good mix of people for that and I recently attended the ocean protection

[0:41:46] Voice 28: plan in Vancouver which I'll be presenting on on Thursday but one thing I wanted to mention is I

[0:41:52] Voice 28: I didn't know this, and maybe neither did you,

[0:41:55] Voice 28: but there's actually funding for cleaning up oil spills.

[0:41:59] Voice 28: So if there's an oil spill on your island, you can, as an organization or an individual,

[0:42:03] Voice 28: you can apply for funding for any reasonable expenses you've incurred

[0:42:08] Voice 28: while cleaning up an oil spill of any size.

[0:42:11] Voice 28: So I thought that was a great step in the right direction.

[0:42:17] Voice 28: And, yeah, that's about it.

[0:42:19] Voice 28: As I said, it's being quiet.

[0:42:21] Voice 28: it.

[0:42:22] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Toby Elliott, Gabriela.

[0:42:26] Voice 19: Thank you. Hello, and good afternoon, everyone. It's great

[0:42:30] Voice 19: to see you all again. Gabriela has been typically busy, but we had a really wonderful meeting on

[0:42:42] Voice 19: February 23rd. Instead of our regular business meeting, we chose to have an OCP preliminary

[0:42:49] Voice 19: preliminary planning session. It happened during the day and there was a snowstorm, so it was a

[0:42:55] Voice 19: little bit difficult for some members to get out. But two of our newly constituted APCs got together

[0:43:01] Voice 19: and we had a really good discussion about what does the community want in terms of engagement?

[0:43:07] Voice 19: What does that look like? And really designing the process around our community needs and what

[0:43:15] Voice 19: what does respectful, early, and meaningful engagement look like with the First Nations?

[0:43:20] Voice 19: So the focus was to find out what we knew, what the community knows already,

[0:43:27] Voice 19: and then what we need to know, and then how to design a process

[0:43:30] Voice 19: that works for this community and for the First Nations.

[0:43:33] Voice 19: So it's a longer process, I think.

[0:43:36] Voice 19: We're looking ahead at two to three years,

[0:43:39] Voice 19: but I think by the time we actually hit our OCP review,

[0:43:41] Voice 19: view the community will really understand what is being undertaken and they'll be invested in

[0:43:47] Voice 19: the process because they will have been part of the planning of that process

[0:43:52] Voice 19: so i'm really hopeful about that um there's a celebration of the donation of link island which

[0:43:59] Voice 19: is in the gabriel the trust area most of you have probably heard about that it went through the news

[0:44:04] Voice 19: and that adds to saturnina island which is a nature reserve and so we're creeping up on saturn

[0:44:11] Voice 19: Kerna in terms of protected areas and spaces so that's been some really good news. Concerns from

[0:44:18] Voice 19: the community there was really not great consultation done over the NAV Canada flight

[0:44:25] Voice 19: plan changes which I know impacts Thetis Island as well and they've changed the approach from

[0:44:31] Voice 19: Vancouver to really go over the top third of the island and it's being an approach to an airport

[0:44:37] Voice 19: port in Nanaimo, we really have big planes coming right overhead. So thinking about ecology and

[0:44:46] Voice 19: environmental protection in terms of noise disturbance as well. So that's been raised

[0:44:50] Voice 19: as a concern by significant numbers of the community. I think that's all for me.

[0:44:58] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Toby. Tim Peterson.

[0:45:02] Voice 8: Thank you, Chair. As Mikaela mentioned, we're working on our OCP.

[0:45:07] Voice 8: um portions of it have sort of been on pause uh for some time uh as we work towards better

[0:45:17] Voice 8: first nations engagement um but i think we're quite excited that uh we're making some headway

[0:45:23] Voice 8: in that regard um meeting with some of our uh the first nations that have interests on on the

[0:45:31] Voice 8: Mosquitio Huayte, and we're hoping to make some more headway.

[0:45:40] Voice 8: Of course, the other big issue in our OCP is how we speak in our advocacy section

[0:45:47] Voice 8: about the feral sheep on the island.

[0:45:49] Voice 8: It's a question that may or may not ever be entirely resolved, but so be it.

[0:45:55] Voice 8: The other thing that's been a really positive thing is there's a report in the correspondence about the Huete Archaeology Project, which has been both really fascinating from an archaeological perspective,

[0:46:15] Voice 8: perspective, but also has been a really positive forum for education and relationship building

[0:46:21] Voice 8: between locals who live on Mesquite and various several different First Nations have been

[0:46:28] Voice 8: involved in the actual archaeological work itself and are part of the project.

[0:46:34] Voice 8: And that's been a very positive opportunity, both for learning and relationship building

[0:46:41] Voice 8: on a really fundamental and personal level.

[0:46:43] Voice 8: that's really positive um let's say in terms of concerns uh our the situation of our condition of

[0:46:53] Voice 8: our roads has been uh top of mind over the winter the contractor decided in their ultimate wisdom

[0:47:00] Voice 8: that we didn't need um to have a grader on the island anymore and the uh the deterioration of

[0:47:08] Voice 8: of the roads, the incredible amount of potholes has created safety issues on top of it, sort

[0:47:15] Voice 8: of relative inconvenience and damage to vehicles as people are swerving around potholes to

[0:47:22] Voice 8: try not to rattle their brains out.

[0:47:25] Voice 8: Positive step there.

[0:47:28] Voice 8: The public put a lot of effort into addressing the political bodies and the ministry.

[0:47:38] Voice 8: and the contractors and we actually had a greater show up last week and they're starting to respond

[0:47:46] Voice 8: and to do some work on our roads so that's a positive thing thank you thank

[0:47:52] Trustee Luckham: you very much tim

[0:47:53] Trustee Luckham: i'm uh for a moment just going to pretend that trustee graham is sitting next to me here at the

[0:47:59] Trustee Luckham: end of the table here and give david a chance to speak although maybe his video is frozen

[0:48:04] Trustee Luckham: David Graham, are you with us?

[0:48:08] Voice 25: I am with

[0:48:09] Voice 11: you, and I am frozen, but it's okay. I can still speak.

[0:48:13] Voice 25: We can see you.

[0:48:18] Voice 25: Can you hear me?

[0:48:22] Voice 25: Yes.

[0:48:26] Voice 11: I'm assuming you can hear me, so I'll just speak. Okay, thank you.

[0:48:29] Voice 11: B.C. Perry's, in their ultimate wisdom, had done it regarding a proposed terminal upgrade, Gravely Bay.

[0:48:36] Voice 11: that's the terminal that all the lovely Hornby tourists who have traveled across Denman get to

[0:48:43] Voice 11: Hornby but what they didn't tell us back in 2017 is that over 100 trees were destined to chop down

[0:48:49] Voice 11: and the community when they realized that after flagging them and we had a visual representation

[0:48:55] Voice 11: of the amount of clearing that was going to get done, BC Ferries backed right off and said whoa

[0:48:59] Voice 11: we don't want to continue until we've revisited the consultation with them and community so that

[0:49:05] Voice 11: that was very positive and we're looking forward

[0:49:06] Voice 11: to hearing from BC Ferries and sitting down

[0:49:08] Voice 11: with them in May and maybe we can find a compromise

[0:49:10] Voice 11: where A, the tourists are looked after

[0:49:14] Voice 11: before they get to Hornby and B, the community

[0:49:17] Voice 11: that lives south of that terminal can get home

[0:49:19] Voice 11: without driving on the left hand side of the road.

[0:49:23] Voice 11: Also, our housing review, OCP and LUB is on the go

[0:49:26] Voice 11: and I know that Trustee Borthwick and I are looking forward

[0:49:30] Voice 11: to our April meeting when we will see the first results

[0:49:32] Voice 11: of the community engagement and the survey that has been done and other than our first meeting

[0:49:39] Voice 11: which was very well attended and we were thrilled to see so many people turn up I have no more

[0:49:43] Voice 11: no more news thank you thank

[0:49:47] Trustee Luckham: you David so Peter welcome from Thetis Island and in the Thetis Island

[0:49:56] Trustee Luckham: trust area it's a pretty quiet place generally but just let you know a couple of things is that we

[0:50:01] Trustee Luckham: We have continued struggles with lack of access to our community dock due to safety issues with that.

[0:50:07] Trustee Luckham: That's been ongoing now for almost two years and makes it very difficult for the emergency responders to evacuate patients from the island and puts all of our members at risk having to stage on the roadway.

[0:50:22] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, there's also interest on the NABCAN change in the flight path.

[0:50:27] Trustee Luckham: And so that's Matt, because you work. And indeed, there's a couple of letters in your email today that came to the executive committee that the consultation period was incredibly brief and for all intents and purposes, non-existent.

[0:50:40] Trustee Luckham: And I have written to NAV Canada and asked them for an extension on that. And sadly, I've not received a reply to that.

[0:50:49] Trustee Luckham: And so certainly there's an opportunity for us to advocate. But indeed, let's encourage all of our citizens to write to NAV Canada and the federal government, Transport Canada.

[0:50:57] Trustee Luckham: because this flag needs to be raised about the concerns there.

[0:51:04] Trustee Luckham: I'm not going to say anything else.

[0:51:05] Trustee Luckham: That's it from me.

[0:51:06] Trustee Luckham: My report for you is out, and we'll go to David Maude.

[0:51:09] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Chair.

[0:51:11] Trustee Maude: Greetings from Main Island, the home of the fallow deer,

[0:51:14] Trustee Maude: and the destruction of all the ecosystem involved.

[0:51:17] Trustee Maude: It's so sad.

[0:51:20] Trustee Maude: Traditionally, Janine gets to go to Formidou,

[0:51:22] Trustee Maude: and she normally steals all the good stories,

[0:51:26] Trustee Maude: but I'm going to leave the best one for her.

[0:51:28] Trustee Maude: On island, we just last week got the official opening of our new thrift store after many, many challenges.

[0:51:36] Trustee Maude: The community fundraised $280,000 to buy a piece of property for the Ag Society that had a sort of a mobile structure on it,

[0:51:45] Trustee Maude: which has been converted now into a thrift store, thanks to two variances from the trust.

[0:51:51] Trustee Maude: The first one didn't quite work out the way they wanted to, so we had to get a second variance for them.

[0:51:54] Trustee Maude: but that's really it's sort of the center of the community and we're very very positive about that

[0:52:00] Trustee Maude: um hearing the stories about crd building inspection one of the things that um the

[0:52:06] Trustee Maude: southern islands are looking at um thanks to our crd director um is the possibility of using

[0:52:12] Trustee Maude: sighting and use permits um as an alternate to to building permits very very baby steps

[0:52:18] Trustee Maude: the crd directors asked us to sort of see if the islands are interested in going down that road

[0:52:24] Trustee Maude: Because apparently CRD staff are interested in going down that road because they're really struggling with the permit system.

[0:52:30] Trustee Maude: So I know with the various islands, I've got an email out to you guys we'll be discussing, but maybe it could be a game changer.

[0:52:39] Trustee Maude: Because certainly talking to our colleagues up in Denman and Hornby, it seems to be a very positive initiative for actually getting things done in an economical and efficient manner.

[0:52:49] Trustee Maude: So I will leave the rest to Trustee Dodds because she's got the real big news.

[0:52:53] Trustee Maude: So thank you.

[0:52:56] Trustee Patrick: Thank

[0:52:57] Voice 13: you. On Cetus, as Peter said, it's pretty quiet usually, but there is an application for a very large geoduck farm in Pretty Harbour, which involves netting and vertical pipes, etc.

[0:53:12] Voice 13: so we're quite concerned about that and we did manage to uh well we decided that they should

[0:53:20] Voice 13: perhaps make a consultation with first nations and then try another public meeting so we can

[0:53:29] Voice 13: see what the flavor is for the people on the island uh also we have some um bylaw enforcement

[0:53:36] Voice 13: enforcement issues and I'm trying to help the person get through that. I checked with bylaws

[0:53:45] Voice 13: and they said that's fine. I'm allowed to assist if I can. Also, one of the things I would like to

[0:53:53] Voice 13: see happen is some more shoreline protection. Find ways to make it easier for people to protect the

[0:54:00] Voice 13: shoreline i know my own since i've been there a long time it's come back probably maybe 10 or 12

[0:54:08] Voice 13: feet in my lifetime and it doesn't show any sign of slowing down yet so that would be a good thing

[0:54:16] Voice 13: and there was a couple other things on our agenda that i can't remember but maybe peter can

[0:54:21] Voice 13: fill me and fill in on that later uh other than that uh that was our first meeting was

[0:54:27] Voice 13: february 28th and of course it was a big snowstorm so we had a zoom meeting which was a bit

[0:54:32] Voice 13: disappointing but uh on april 17th or 18th i think we're gonna try it again so thank you sam borswick

[0:54:42] Voice 25: uh yeah

[0:54:49] Voice 16: uh david graham uh said a lot of the things that i was gonna say which is fine it's

[0:54:55] Voice 16: very good um yeah we we've definitely had some struggles with bc paris sort of overall there the

[0:55:00] Voice 16: The issue at Gravely Bay, which is the terminal that goes over to Hornby,

[0:55:07] Voice 16: was close to 150 mature trees were going to be cut down.

[0:55:11] Voice 16: And I wanted to recognize the community that came out to sort of rally around that.

[0:55:18] Voice 16: It's not that something doesn't need to be done down there,

[0:55:21] Voice 16: but the way it has been approached so far needs work, needs to be better.

[0:55:27] Voice 16: Um, we had our first LTC a month ago today, I believe, uh, and we're very happy to have

[0:55:35] Voice 16: passed, uh, Denman green, which is our, uh, affordable housing, uh, complex building.

[0:55:41] Voice 16: That's going to get built.

[0:55:42] Voice 16: Um, unfortunately the, uh, the building has had to absorb a second project, which was

[0:55:48] Voice 16: supposed to have gone forward to Pepper Lane seniors home, um, which, uh, so five of the

[0:55:53] Voice 16: The units in the new Deming Green project are going to house what was going to be Pepper Lane.

[0:55:59] Voice 16: Sadly, Pepper Lane stalled out because, in no small part, it took a really long time to get through the process of being approved.

[0:56:06] Voice 16: And not just Island Stress stuff, there's other things too, but it's very unfortunate to lose those projects.

[0:56:12] Voice 16: They've both been in the works for close to a decade, so it's hard to lose that thing.

[0:56:17] Voice 16: um and uh yeah we the the bain sound connector continues to be a a source of uh chagrin for

[0:56:28] Voice 16: the community um the it's it's facing more and more mounting problems we have a we have a new

[0:56:35] Voice 16: and exciting issue in the last year where they've tried to run it faster and faster as our cable

[0:56:40] Voice 16: ferry and they have a bull wheel in the engineering room and they've so you know in in the interest of

[0:56:46] Voice 16: of running it faster, they try to put a clamp, a brake on the bullwheel.

[0:56:49] Voice 16: The problem is they have to get all the engineers to leave the engineering room when they engage

[0:56:54] Voice 16: the brake because it has a habit of locking up and all the bolts

[0:56:57] Voice 16: shear off and fill the room with shrapnel. So this is

[0:57:02] Voice 16: still being promoted as being the environmental forefront

[0:57:05] Voice 16: of the BC Ferries fleet, but

[0:57:10] Voice 16: it's definitely got a lot more problems and it's pretty clearly not

[0:57:13] Voice 16: being more economically

[0:57:15] Voice 16: safe. The

[0:57:17] Voice 16: fire chief on Denman now

[0:57:19] Voice 16: asks when the ferry is running as

[0:57:21] Voice 16: opposed to when it isn't for emergencies

[0:57:23] Voice 16: overnight, which is

[0:57:25] Voice 16: a pretty sorry state of affairs.

[0:57:28] Voice 16: But we're

[0:57:29] Voice 16: looking at it. The community is really coming

[0:57:31] Voice 16: around to engage on this process as well

[0:57:33] Voice 16: as a lot of other things.

[0:57:35] Voice 16: Yeah, our first LTC meeting was very well

[0:57:37] Voice 16: attended, which is great. I look forward

[0:57:40] Voice 16: to hearing from one of my

[0:57:41] Voice 16: community members this evening.

[0:57:44] Voice 16: Yeah. Thank you.

[0:57:46] Trustee Luckham: Alex Allen, Hornby Allen. Thank you,

[0:57:48] Voice 14: Chair. I emailed my report, so I can't read it as usual. So I'm trying to remember what I wrote. Let's just see. Well, you know, basically what's not going on in Hornby. We have everything going on in Hornby.

[0:58:06] Voice 14: be um we've got much uh you know that the construction big trucks keep on coming every

[0:58:12] Voice 14: morning and um disrupting the flow of traffic and um housing is phenomenal building building

[0:58:18] Voice 14: building we've got some large projects we've got a new art gallery that's going to be built um

[0:58:24] Voice 14: what else yes beulah creek housing is actually going to be starting um which is exciting so

[0:58:33] Voice 14: So I will say that there's been some great community initiatives going on where they've organized get-togethers.

[0:58:42] Voice 14: So we've had HIRA, which is our Ratepayers Association, and HI-SEEC, which is the Economic Enhancement Corporation.

[0:58:51] Voice 14: And they have hosted two Visioning 2030 sessions, which is coming from the 2020.

[0:58:59] Voice 14: so just

[0:59:01] Voice 14: all our aspirations and

[0:59:03] Voice 14: where we want to go and it's been a really

[0:59:05] Voice 14: phenomenal participation

[0:59:07] Voice 14: I think there's 120 at the last

[0:59:10] Voice 14: meeting via Zoom

[0:59:12] Voice 14: and that's just a community

[0:59:14] Voice 14: initiative it's not on this trust and

[0:59:15] Voice 14: also as well the cell tower

[0:59:17] Voice 14: the cell tower proposal

[0:59:22] Voice 14: once again

[0:59:23] Voice 14: another community group had two

[0:59:24] Voice 14: meetings over the last month and

[0:59:26] Voice 14: lots of

[0:59:28] Voice 14: feedback and lots of

[0:59:31] Voice 14: Yeah, we're very restless on our island, as usual.

[0:59:35] Voice 14: Preparing for our spring break, which is longer than usual.

[0:59:38] Voice 14: What is it?

[0:59:38] Voice 14: April, March 13th to April 10th.

[0:59:42] Voice 14: And that'll be, that's kind of our dress rehearsal.

[0:59:44] Voice 14: Then it's a long weekend, then it's summer, and then it's my God, Labor Day.

[0:59:47] Voice 14: Just like that every year.

[0:59:49] Voice 14: I won't go on about the herring, because, you know, who will talk about that?

[0:59:54] Voice 14: And what else?

[0:59:57] Voice 14: Yeah, I think that's basically it.

[0:59:58] Voice 14: So lots.

[1:00:00] Voice 14: I feel like I've already done three years, frankly, and it's going to be an interesting term.

[1:00:04] Voice 14: Anyways, that's all I have to say.

[1:00:06] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:00:06] Voice 14: Thank you, Trustee Allen.

[1:00:08] Trustee Luckham: Janine Dodds.

[1:00:09] Voice 29: Yeah, so I insisted that today that I get to discuss the exciting news for me now was that they opened a brand new daycare center.

[1:00:19] Voice 29: They got well over a million dollar grant, which this is the families of the children that applied for the money, got the money.

[1:00:27] Voice 29: our community center provided the land for them to build the daycare on it is phenomenal 2800

[1:00:33] Voice 29: square feet multi-purpose building it's the main island family place but it's also next to the

[1:00:38] Voice 29: community center so it can blend in some of the seniors programs that happen there right now we

[1:00:43] Voice 29: have main island assisted living so my biggest comment people are probably tired of hearing

[1:00:48] Voice 29: about it but at the opening i would say there were far more people there with gray hair

[1:00:52] Voice 29: And that was because those people in my community recognize and support and look forward to helping and being part of the daycare because they know that those children are really important to all of us.

[1:01:07] Voice 29: i thought that was a really telling sign to see so many there um and unfortunately the getting

[1:01:13] Voice 29: staff makes it difficult for them to run full-time programs but it is an incredible facility that

[1:01:19] Voice 29: they have there they did a great job getting it in through covid and through funding problems

[1:01:24] Voice 29: um another discussion we talked about ferries and so the southern gulf islands saturn agaliano main

[1:01:30] Voice 29: tender we've had an awful awful time with our ferries um bc ferries didn't plan well in terms

[1:01:37] Voice 29: of putting in larger ships that take many many more crew and so they haven't been able to staff

[1:01:43] Voice 29: so there are days when you're not sure if you're going to either get into your appointment or get

[1:01:48] Voice 29: home that's been a real struggle um when you mentioned the tree cutting you know we have this

[1:01:53] Voice 29: with pathway whatever mile of pathway from miners bay our commercial core to our ferry terminal

[1:02:00] Voice 29: but they just got over 80 trees and they weren't little trees my community felt the trail was

[1:02:06] Voice 29: better than the trees i still am not convinced that it's worthwhile for the few people that

[1:02:11] Voice 29: bicycle or will be bicycling in the future for the amount of devastation and destruction i think

[1:02:18] Voice 29: sadly because it's a crd project it's an urban project and so if anyone's looking for funding

[1:02:23] Voice 29: for trails or for pathways in the future be sure that you do it under a local initiative

[1:02:29] Voice 29: where the monies are done by the local people who do it in a more sustainable fashion and

[1:02:38] Voice 7: maybe galeano yeah thank you um sir lisa's covered our meetings there i just want to say it's been a

[1:02:45] Voice 7: pleasure um working with lisa and tim um last meeting we had good attendance and and uh that's

[1:02:51] Voice 7: always good to see community engagement like that and we're pleased to have a member of the

[1:02:55] Voice 7: penelicate council attend the meeting and we're going to endeavor to um try and get them to attend

[1:03:00] Voice 7: every meeting um i thought that was great um we're going to be working on some rezonings and

[1:03:05] Voice 7: they're going to be heavily involved in that so that that's really good um i sort of what lisa

[1:03:12] Voice 7: was talking about and the crd and the commercial um businesses and we i think we have four

[1:03:18] Voice 7: restaurants now that are shut down um trying to get through this process and um we have to figure

[1:03:25] Voice 7: something out in these in these small communities um this is this is not acceptable these are times

[1:03:30] Voice 7: when those businesses need to be making what little money they can make and and not be shut

[1:03:36] Voice 7: down so that's something we need to work on and then one other thing just for main island because

[1:03:42] Voice 7: as uh i'm on the doc commission is um we uh we finalized the construction um of anson road which

[1:03:51] Voice 7: is another 700 feet of mooring space on on main island and that was officially completed at our

[1:03:56] Voice 7: last commission meeting which was about a week ago i think so thank you thank you man

[1:04:04] Voice 6: yes hi um so uh christina has has given a fairly good or a very good report on the

[1:04:12] Voice 6: some of the details of our meetings and stuff so I won't skip I'll skip that and just want to

[1:04:17] Voice 6: mention that I attended a stewardship center for BC green bylaws in action workshop or webinar

[1:04:25] Voice 6: and we had presentations there from North Van and Surrey and Langley and they shared some of

[1:04:33] Voice 6: their experience there so that might be of interest to discover their their website and

[1:04:36] Voice 6: And you can probably read about it there.

[1:04:38] Voice 6: And that's my update.

[1:04:40] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:04:41] Voice 6: Thank you, Dag.

[1:04:42] Voice 6: Susan Yates,

[1:04:43] Trustee Luckham: Gabrielle Island.

[1:04:47] Voice 30: Thank you, Chair Luckham.

[1:04:49] Voice 30: Thank you to my fellow trustee, Toby Elliott, for filling you all in on our very first pre-planning meeting for our OCP review.

[1:04:59] Voice 30: And we have two planners to really thank for their help.

[1:05:04] Voice 30: Narissa Chadwick in the Victoria office and our new regional planning manner manager Renee

[1:05:10] Voice 30: Gemmaret at the northern office and they were really helpful with that first session so thank

[1:05:16] Voice 30: you to them for that um Gabriela has been very busy I I get the feeling that Toby and I both go

[1:05:24] Voice 30: to completely different meetings which is fabulous because between the two of us we pretty much cover

[1:05:30] Voice 30: it all so i just found out yesterday that i was appointed i have been appointed to the ferry

[1:05:36] Voice 30: advisory committee and our first all-day meeting is on march 11th coming up quick

[1:05:44] Voice 30: um our agricultural co-op the aggie co-op on gabriola is really having a big revival and um

[1:05:53] Voice 30: looking quite closely at the salt spring island farmland trust for some of the things that they

[1:05:59] Voice 30: they are doing, particularly community composting, which gets us all very excited.

[1:06:06] Voice 30: We've been invited to the Earth Day celebration on April 21st on Gabriola, and that will include

[1:06:13] Voice 30: all the school children. And I believe there are two big boxes sitting at the other end of the

[1:06:19] Voice 30: hall there for me to take back for that celebration from the Islands Trust Conservancy, which will be

[1:06:25] Voice 30: really lovely. So I'm hoping if my fellow trustee Toby has a few hours, she might want to share that

[1:06:32] Voice 30: with me. But if not, then we'll do it good, I think. The only other thing I wanted to mention

[1:06:40] Voice 30: was that I went to Herring Fest on Hornby Island this past weekend. And it was an amazing three

[1:06:49] Voice 30: I won't say much except that the thing that impressed me most was a presentation by Chief Doug Nislas of the Kittasoo High Heights First Nation on Indigenous Protected Areas.

[1:07:05] Voice 30: And I was just so taken with that.

[1:07:08] Voice 30: So thank you to my fellow Council Member Grant Scott at the last council meeting for encouraging us to go.

[1:07:19] Voice 30: i'm very glad i did

[1:07:20] Trustee Luckham: thank you susan and now grant scott the official uh herring fest uh voice over

[1:07:28] Trustee Luckham: to you sir two minutes by the way thank you why did you say that i know you got a 10 minute video

[1:07:38] Trustee Luckham: in the wings yeah

[1:07:39] Voice 15: right right well i tried that on it only got so far so anyway as susan said it

[1:07:45] Voice 15: It was very gratifying seeing her come to this.

[1:07:48] Voice 15: This is the 7th annual Herring Fest on Hornby.

[1:07:51] Voice 15: And it starts off on a Thursday.

[1:07:53] Voice 15: So it was last week.

[1:07:54] Voice 15: It started off on Thursday.

[1:07:55] Voice 15: We have an art show in the hall.

[1:07:58] Voice 15: And I just want to say, I'm sure you all feel the same.

[1:08:00] Voice 15: It's so great getting back into the halls on your islands to have all that going on again.

[1:08:05] Voice 15: Rather, you know, Zooms are good for some things, but not, you know, that feeling of community.

[1:08:11] Voice 15: So that was really great.

[1:08:13] Voice 15: the art show was it's a 50 50 art show where the the artists contribute and they donate half

[1:08:20] Voice 15: the the proceeds so we sell the art and uh and a lot of a lot of them donate 100 conservancy so

[1:08:29] Voice 15: it's really a good fundraiser and it's really a way of getting a lot of interesting work out

[1:08:33] Voice 15: into the community and and um so that was the thursday night friday night uh evening was was

[1:08:41] Voice 15: was five videos were presented.

[1:08:42] Voice 15: One of the really interesting ones, which surprised me,

[1:08:45] Voice 15: was a First Nations film crew came from Grand Prairie, Alberta,

[1:08:50] Voice 15: and the topic of why they came was they're doing a full-on kind of,

[1:08:55] Voice 15: you know, a Netflix kind of thing called Water Worlds.

[1:08:59] Voice 15: And what they're saying is, the theme is that water links all of us.

[1:09:04] Voice 15: It doesn't matter whether you're in the prairies or in the desert,

[1:09:07] Voice 15: water links all of us.

[1:09:08] Voice 15: And this is the theme that they're doing.

[1:09:10] Voice 15: it's quite an amazing crew there were six of them took them out on the boat and they were

[1:09:14] Voice 15: filming everything that's going to go into this movie around hornby island about the herring and

[1:09:19] Voice 15: everything else going on out there so bob turner from good old bowen he was there and he he uh

[1:09:25] Voice 15: had an amazing video on the return of the humpbacks the 400 of them now in back in our

[1:09:31] Voice 15: waters you know so he has this amazing little video about the three of them that were around

[1:09:35] Voice 15: Bowen Island. That was just amazing how Bob does that stuff. Then we had a 30-minute film

[1:09:42] Voice 15: from the Kitisuheke's First Nation, who were up in the middle of the Great Bear Rainforest.

[1:09:47] Voice 15: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, yeah, it was pretty amazing. Then we had our video of the Silver

[1:09:54] Voice 15: Highway. Then we had the Herring School on Saturday. I won't get into any of this, but

[1:09:59] Voice 15: But the speakers, we had Denise Smith, particularly from Slam and Clam and came and she spoke very eloquently about the importance of hearing and what's going on in their community.

[1:10:11] Voice 15: Doug Neese Neese Floss spoke and talked about taking First Nations, taking their First Nations, taking action to do their they're not going to the government waiting, pleading to please do stuff.

[1:10:25] Voice 15: They're doing it. And it's amazing what they've done.

[1:10:28] Voice 15: and i think so the big i don't have to get into the big issues on hormy because um alex no doubt

[1:10:34] Voice 15: did that then we had the herring ball on the saturday night and and then we had the boat

[1:10:40] Voice 15: trips lincoln all this together people go and see it smell it see what's going on out there it was

[1:10:46] Voice 15: just an amazing weekend so thank you peter

[1:10:49] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much for that exciting caring report

[1:10:51] Trustee Luckham: that's great we've seen herring balls off the thetuses here which has been unusual

[1:10:55] Trustee Luckham: usual so that's great aaron campbell i'll

[1:10:59] Voice 16: lend you one of my minutes if you want i don't usually

[1:11:02] Voice 16: have much to say uh we had a couple of um spirited meetings on pender one uh local uh trust level and

[1:11:10] Voice 16: a special meeting on our land use bylaw review um where we heard from quite a few quite a few folks

[1:11:16] Voice 16: uh about six power outages multiple ferry shortages um it's just been a fairly busy

[1:11:23] Voice 16: winter a couple of big snowstorms and uh and one actually uh fundraising um for uh a big parcel

[1:11:32] Voice 16: land but deb can can that fill everybody in on that one she'll have all the details

[1:11:39] Trustee Luckham: joe bernardo danbury keeps island thank you uh

[1:11:44] Voice 27: well on sleepy old keats island um our big

[1:11:48] Voice 27: issue and maybe it's the only real one we actually have at the moment

[1:11:51] Voice 27: it remains the keats shoreline protection project last september and i believe this was at the last

[1:11:58] Voice 27: ltc of the last term the proposed bylaws that are related to the project received second reading so

[1:12:05] Voice 27: the next step in the process was supposed to be the setting of a public hearing uh that's not

[1:12:13] Voice 27: going to happen at the moment at the first ltc meeting for this term that we had in north

[1:12:18] Voice 27: Vancouver, ably chaired by the top dog himself, Peter Leckham. That was on January 31st. We decided

[1:12:26] Voice 27: to defer the public hearing and to hold another community information meeting instead before we

[1:12:32] Voice 27: do anything else. The reason for that is we were actually supposed to have a community information

[1:12:38] Voice 27: meeting on Keats Island last summer. Unfortunately, it was cancelled due to COVID. As a substitute,

[1:12:44] Voice 27: Two hours were set aside for community information at the conclusion of the September LTC meeting, which took place over Zoom.

[1:12:56] Voice 27: The format, the Zoom meeting, but also the length of it, the fact it was tagged on and there really wasn't enough time to answer all questions, left a lot of residents unhappy.

[1:13:07] Voice 27: They've got a lot of questions that remain to be answered.

[1:13:10] Voice 27: and uh if i'm going to be honest about it the fact of the matter is there's a lot of there's

[1:13:15] Voice 27: deep skepticism among many residents about the merits of the bylaws they've got questions uh

[1:13:22] Voice 27: their questions need to be addressed um as we move the process forward and that's all i've got

[1:13:29] Voice 27: to report right now thank you joe deb

[1:13:32] Trustee Luckham: morrison i knew

[1:13:34] Voice 31: there's a reason we're sitting side by side

[1:13:36] Voice 31: i'm going to talk about that too um but first in our spirited uh spirited meetings i think is a

[1:13:41] Voice 31: good way to put it uh what aaron said um one of the things that we did as part of this um effort

[1:13:46] Voice 31: that aaron was mentioning was the trustees got together with past trustee steve wright and we

[1:13:51] Voice 31: did car karaoke and we videoed it so it's there is a video out there of me singing in the universe

[1:13:58] Voice 31: which you'll have to ask me for and at some future point uh congratulations to the pender

[1:14:04] Voice 31: Pender Conservancy for, in December 2022, they were successful on getting Kealaiki Kingfisher

[1:14:12] Voice 31: Forest, 45 acres of conservation property on stairs. So really great job in doing that and

[1:14:17] Voice 31: to the Pender community and beyond for all the contributions in that. Thanks to Janine for time

[1:14:24] Voice 31: around sharing and learning and hopefully we do more of that based on all of the kinds of things

[1:14:29] Voice 31: we're hearing today. Lisa and myself and Janine met virtually and talked about the flex housing

[1:14:34] Voice 31: on Maine to think about housing ideas for our islands.

[1:14:38] Voice 31: So I really appreciated that conversation.

[1:14:40] Voice 31: Thanks both to Lisa and Janine for that conversation.

[1:14:43] Voice 31: We met, we being a group of community members,

[1:14:47] Voice 31: and then they invited the trustees into the conversation,

[1:14:50] Voice 31: met with Adam Olson on forest issues

[1:14:54] Voice 31: that are being raised on Pender

[1:14:56] Voice 31: related to the cutting on private property,

[1:14:58] Voice 31: not PMFL, private, be simple then,

[1:15:01] Voice 31: and really understanding and asking for some clarification so i have spent the last month

[1:15:08] Voice 31: talking to meeting with everybody and their dog over tea everything everybody can think of which

[1:15:14] Voice 31: has been actually quite lovely and i've enjoyed it and that leads me to my last point which is

[1:15:19] Voice 31: about communication learning and sharing so it's been raised several times here across this group

[1:15:24] Voice 31: of things one of the things that aaron and i did and dave did in our ltc was we created three

[1:15:31] Voice 31: three community information meetings on Saturdays this year.

[1:15:35] Voice 31: And it's something that I've wanted to do for a few years,

[1:15:38] Voice 31: but I'm really glad that we're doing it because those meetings,

[1:15:41] Voice 31: we're not trying to use them as decision-making meetings.

[1:15:43] Voice 31: We're trying to use them as real discussions to Joe's point.

[1:15:46] Voice 31: And the first one that we had, I want to say it was last week,

[1:15:50] Voice 31: but is it two weeks or three weeks ago now was really well attended.

[1:15:54] Voice 31: And it was really great discussion, you know, spirited as Pender is,

[1:15:58] Voice 31: but it was really helpful to have that conversation.

[1:16:01] Voice 31: and it led to a number of other conversations to help really understand each

[1:16:04] Voice 31: other and learn and not just jam bylaws down people's throat.

[1:16:07] Voice 31: So that's super helpful. Um,

[1:16:10] Voice 31: I'm also personally as a trustee doing a lot more work this year to make sure

[1:16:15] Voice 31: that the voices that we've heard that say that they don't understand things

[1:16:18] Voice 31: about the trust are learning. So I launched a YouTube channel.

[1:16:23] Voice 31: And, uh, so yeah, I feel like Ben anyway, um,

[1:16:27] Voice 31: I launched a YouTube channel around trust issues,

[1:16:30] Voice 31: dev.islandstrust, feel free to follow me.

[1:16:33] Voice 31: It's also on my Facebook page.

[1:16:35] Voice 31: And that kind of work is really helping

[1:16:37] Voice 31: because I've already had like in a week

[1:16:40] Voice 31: of posting a video on forest management,

[1:16:42] Voice 31: I've had a huge number of community members

[1:16:44] Voice 31: come and talk to me and share.

[1:16:46] Voice 31: And so it's not meant to be.

[1:16:47] Voice 31: And like, I think we have to think about this

[1:16:49] Voice 31: generally in our communication.

[1:16:51] Voice 31: I'm not trying to advocate for a particular space.

[1:16:54] Voice 31: I'm trying to educate

[1:16:55] Voice 31: educate so that we can actually have a full community conversation. And so that's, I think,

[1:17:00] Voice 31: what we need to be doing more. So if you have a topic and you want me to do a video, let me know.

[1:17:05] Voice 31: Thanks.

[1:17:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Deb. And thank you, trustees. I just need to provide a moment for

[1:17:16] Trustee Luckham: Lolly to prepare, Elder Lolly to prepare, and join us up at the front of the station here. But

[1:17:21] Trustee Luckham: But I just want to ask you to submit my email how valuable you find this session.

[1:17:27] Trustee Luckham: We have offered opportunities in the past to create a more topic-focused session that we can all speak to rather than just local business.

[1:17:36] Trustee Luckham: Sometimes the local things are not as interesting or we may not have as much to report out as some others.

[1:17:45] Trustee Luckham: But if there's topics that we would like to have a roundtable discussion about, the Executive Committee would like to hear that so that we can stage that for a future Trust Council meeting.

[1:17:57] Trustee Luckham: But what I'm going to suggest at the moment is why don't we just all stand up and stretch our legs and breathe deep and get some air in.

[1:18:05] Trustee Luckham: And we'll welcome Elder Lawley to our group and hear what she has to share with us today.

[1:18:11] Trustee Luckham: So let's just pause for a moment.

[1:20:34] Voice 25: So, trustees, can you please return to your seats?

[1:20:39] Trustee Luckham: Please return to your seats.

[1:20:46] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, everybody.

[1:21:20] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, trustees.

[1:21:21] Trustee Luckham: Let's return to our seats to respect the time for Elder Lawley.

[1:21:38] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:21:41] Trustee Luckham: Just waiting for silence.

[1:21:42] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:21:43] Trustee Luckham: So, Elder Lawley, I want to thank you for joining us here at Council.

[1:21:48] Trustee Luckham: Council. I enjoyed our time together on the Gabriola Ferry a month ago when we went over

[1:21:53] Trustee Luckham: to Gabriola to open the meeting there. And I'm very appreciative that on short notice

[1:21:58] Trustee Luckham: you've managed to join us today. And I hope that everything has gone well. And Elder Lawley

[1:22:03] Trustee Luckham: from the Namo First Nation, over to you. Thank you.

[1:22:10] Voice 21: Hi, Chika. Can you all hear me?

[1:22:17] Voice 25: Can

[1:22:19] Trustee Luckham: you speak again, Elder Lawley?

[1:22:22] Voice 21: Hello?

[1:22:23] Trustee Luckham: That's good.

[1:22:31] Voice 21: good day it is good to see you all as an elder from my community i have a protocol

[1:22:41] Voice 21: and that's what i will be doing and at the end of my blessing i'm going to invite you all to

[1:22:52] Voice 21: to join me in my Ike's Quail song.

[1:22:56] Voice 21: It'll hopefully, it will uplift, give you an uplift.

[1:23:06] Voice 21: And I'm honored to have been here.

[1:23:11] Voice 21: Sorry, I was a little bit late.

[1:23:14] Voice 21: However, never late than not showing up.

[1:23:18] Voice 21: So thank you, Toby, for your kindness

[1:23:23] Voice 21: and your patience with me.

[1:23:26] Voice 21: I raise my hand to you, and each and every one of you today are here learning and trying to make the island a better place.

[1:23:37] Voice 21: Thank you for protecting and caring for the island.

[1:23:41] Voice 21: I have many stories of the island, of the past, through my ancestors, my family.

[1:23:51] Voice 21: Okay, I will begin.

[1:24:26] Voice 21: Thank you.

[1:24:30] Voice 21: elders, friends, relatives.

[1:24:32] Voice 21: I was born and raised Snenemo,

[1:24:35] Voice 21: extended family roots, seashell.

[1:24:39] Voice 21: Snenemo chief Mike Wise and council invite you all

[1:24:43] Voice 21: to our sacred lands.

[1:24:48] Voice 21: I acknowledge worldwide all frontline workers

[1:24:54] Voice 21: who risk their lives on a daily basis

[1:24:58] Voice 21: in support of their towns, countries, community.

[1:25:06] Voice 25: I

[1:25:06] Voice 21: ask that you stand while I do this blessing.

[1:25:55] Voice 21: Thank you.

[1:25:58] Voice 21: Creator, thank you for this day.

[1:26:04] Voice 21: Please look after those who are grieving and for those who are sick.

[1:26:10] Voice 21: Thank you for the food today.

[1:26:12] Voice 21: Please bring blessing and medicines to our tables.

[1:26:16] Voice 21: Creator, please help us all today and every day.

[1:26:21] Voice 21: I have created a uplifting song out of the phrase it's a really good day not

[1:26:33] Voice 21: every day is a good day however if we can enjoy ourselves for about five ten

[1:26:39] Voice 21: minutes it does something here you all have received instruments and I'm asking

[1:26:47] Voice 21: that you sing along with me with my ice quail song when you see my hand raise up

[1:26:55] Voice 21: this is where you're going to sing out I squail I squail means good day and hope

[1:27:05] Voice 21: I mean let's have a little practice

[1:27:17] Voice 21: didn't you say it like you really mean it get all that frustration out

[1:27:29] Voice 23: okay

[1:27:42] Voice 21: Hey, come on, Ben, play your tune.

[1:30:00] Voice 21: i'd like to throw in one more song if that's okay i have it here that i would like to sing this song

[1:30:06] Voice 21: this song is called asking for help song you can play your instruments gently

[1:32:45] Trustee Luckham: thank you for joining us again it's inspiring and uplifting to lift us out of our out of our

[1:32:52] Trustee Luckham: out of our fog I think is probably the word we might use sometimes but it's

[1:32:56] Trustee Luckham: fantastic thank you for joining us. Thank you Elder Lawley, thank you

[1:33:31] Trustee Luckham: Council. So we're singing songs and shaking instruments and bringing joy

[1:33:39] Trustee Luckham: into the world so thank you ever so much for the leadership Elder Lawley. I'm going

[1:33:45] Trustee Luckham: going to try and catch up on our agenda a bit. And so we're going to move into the executive

[1:33:52] Trustee Luckham: section of the agenda, which is page 45. Here we have the consent agenda item, which is

[1:33:59] Trustee Luckham: simply a report from the executive committee, although not that simple, but nonetheless,

[1:34:04] Trustee Luckham: that's there. And so unless there are any questions on that particular item, we'll just

[1:34:10] Trustee Luckham: move along but i see one hand up already and so let's uh uh go to item 4.11 from uh trustee patrick

[1:34:19] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[1:34:19] Trustee Patrick: i don't want to take a lot of time but in the spirit of improving our our communications

[1:34:24] Trustee Patrick: between the executive committee and trust council i note that uh that the executive committee is

[1:34:30] Trustee Patrick: responsible for coordinating and developing the preparation and the implementation of an

[1:34:34] Trustee Patrick: an organizational strategic plan,

[1:34:36] Trustee Patrick: but that's not on your work program list.

[1:34:39] Trustee Patrick: And we have committees that are working on.

[1:34:42] Trustee Patrick: So I think there's an opportunity to work cooperatively.

[1:34:45] Trustee Patrick: And I think there's an opportunity to prove this report

[1:34:48] Trustee Patrick: to also be able to be trust counsel's way

[1:34:50] Trustee Patrick: of kind of knowing really some of the work

[1:34:52] Trustee Patrick: that the executive committee is doing.

[1:34:55] Trustee Luckham: Well, that's brilliant.

[1:34:57] Trustee Luckham: And I see that the CAO is rubbing his hands together,

[1:35:00] Trustee Luckham: which is a good sign because indeed

[1:35:02] Trustee Luckham: he's briefed executive committee

[1:35:04] Trustee Luckham: committee about what he wants to speak about today.

[1:35:05] Trustee Luckham: And one of those elements is absolutely strategic plan.

[1:35:08] Trustee Luckham: And so rather than trying to paraphrase anything on...

[1:35:11] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Elder Lawley.

[1:35:13] Trustee Luckham: Bye.

[1:35:15] Trustee Luckham: Paraphrase anything, I think if that's all right,

[1:35:17] Trustee Luckham: unless there's any other questions on the work program

[1:35:20] Trustee Luckham: and provide his CEO report.

[1:35:25] Voice 25: Over to you, CEO, Hudson-Piller.

[1:35:29] Voice 9: Well, thank you very much.

[1:35:31] Voice 9: Good to be with you, of course.

[1:35:33] Voice 9: And it's wonderful to be in a synonymic territory

[1:35:36] Voice 9: and to work on your behalf over the next two or three days

[1:35:38] Voice 9: as you make your deliberations uh you've got a lot to do in the next hour or 45 minutes so i'm going

[1:35:43] Voice 9: to be as brief as possible but of course respond to any of your questions um i will conclude my

[1:35:49] Voice 9: remarks with um addressing the strategic plan if that's okay and just do a few few remarks

[1:35:54] Voice 9: prior to that the first is that over the last couple of months really life has been simple

[1:36:01] Voice 9: because it's been focused on two or three things. One, the budget process and working with financial

[1:36:08] Voice 9: planning committee staff and trustees to get something in front of you that you can deliberate

[1:36:13] Voice 9: on. Next is we've done, I would say, some preliminary work around the bylaw enforcement

[1:36:20] Voice 9: function. You've obviously expressed interest in that. We've done some reporting and putting

[1:36:25] Voice 9: a schedule of work together, and the start of that will be this Trust Council session.

[1:36:31] Voice 9: And then how many, have any local trust committees not met?

[1:36:37] Voice 9: So we've achieved another milestone.

[1:36:40] Voice 9: So everyone's met.

[1:36:42] Voice 9: And when you're just starting out as a trust council, that's a good thing to go past us.

[1:36:49] Voice 9: Yes, sir?

[1:36:51] Trustee Luckham: I'd just like to note that actually Bolinas-Winchelsea Islands, the executive committee, LTC, has not met.

[1:36:58] Trustee Luckham: But not 100% scored, but pretty close.

[1:37:00] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, sir.

[1:37:02] Voice 9: Pretty close.

[1:37:03] Voice 9: and just hearing the round table many of those meetings have gone well and some

[1:37:08] Voice 9: maybe have gone medium so this is an opportunity to reflect on that and where

[1:37:14] Voice 9: we're going going forward so that's my tie into the last couple of months has

[1:37:18] Voice 9: also been the delivery of your orientation program and it concluded

[1:37:22] Voice 9: with a series of online sessions at night of which I saw most of you there

[1:37:27] Voice 9: so I think that's good I'm going to survey you in the next week or so to go

[1:37:33] Voice 9: are there any areas that we should focus on in terms of orientation for you as trustees

[1:37:40] Voice 9: in the next little period um such that we're up and ready to go you should know that what's

[1:37:46] Voice 9: imminent is some uh chair we've got some chair specific chair training so that would be for

[1:37:52] Voice 9: um chair luckham the members of the executive committee who of course your ltc chairs

[1:37:57] Voice 9: and any council committee chairs so that's some specialized training that's coming up in the next

[1:38:02] Voice 9: I'd say three weeks or so three weeks to a month yes sir

[1:38:07] Voice 25: vice

[1:38:08] Voice 34: chairs as well

[1:38:12] Voice 34: I would appreciate it as a vice chair the

[1:38:17] Voice 9: last time this was discussed vice chairs weren't

[1:38:19] Voice 9: considered so this is your time to lobby to make that case um um available uh I think we'd end up

[1:38:29] Voice 9: with close to a quorum of trust counsel if we did it it was discussed and if there's value in doing

[1:38:35] Voice 9: that then appeal to chair luck and executive committee around that and then

[1:38:40] Voice 9: we will what would simply be good is for me to get that information prior to

[1:38:45] Voice 9: actually setting a contract I

[1:38:49] Voice 3: was just going to state that quorum for training

[1:38:53] Voice 3: isn't a decision-making meeting so I think that would be okay

[1:38:56] Voice 25: it's for

[1:38:57] Voice 25: information only okay so by all means so

[1:39:09] Voice 9: is there anything you want to tell me

[1:39:12] Voice 9: just from an orientation perspective that i need to know right now so okay i will survey you i'll

[1:39:20] Voice 9: compile that i'll send it back to you and we'll pick those two or three things so what's about

[1:39:25] Voice 9: to happen is we're going to move from orientation granted that all of us don't know everything and

[1:39:30] Voice 9: move it into the ongoing um education process of continuous learning plan process of the islands

[1:39:37] Voice 9: trust so in june i will bring you back the current continuous learning plan and with that will be

[1:39:44] Voice 9: any results from that survey okay question maybe

[1:39:50] Voice 31: more just a quick comment it would be really

[1:39:52] Voice 31: helpful um given the feedback because it's difficult to respond on the fly like right now

[1:39:58] Voice 31: but um giving the feedback would be helpful to have a couple focal questions because like some

[1:40:03] Voice 31: of the feedback i'd love to give is just like how like the stand and get kind of delivery is not

[1:40:08] Voice 31: always as helpful so it'd be helpful just to see if others think the same so a couple questions

[1:40:13] Voice 31: questions kind of geared at not only what we're learning, but how we're learning it

[1:40:16] Voice 31: would be helpful.

[1:40:17] Voice 25: Thank you.

[1:40:25] Voice 25: Yeah.

[1:40:26] Voice 25: Perhaps to

[1:40:27] Voice 16: sort of help that process, Russ, I was potentially wondering, I know a lot

[1:40:31] Voice 16: of us are new trustees this term.

[1:40:34] Voice 16: I have been spending a lot of time thinking about how that onboarding process can be made

[1:40:39] Voice 16: to be more robust and more helpful for us.

[1:40:43] Voice 16: But I was wondering, while we have this opportunity, while we're all in the same geographical location,

[1:40:47] Voice 16: perhaps outside of meeting time we can if new trustees want to get together and

[1:40:53] Voice 16: talk a little bit about how we can collate that our experience and if there

[1:40:57] Voice 16: were particular struggles that we had I'd love to be having conversations with

[1:41:01] Voice 16: other trustees too so that we can help inform Russ as to what we need I really

[1:41:06] Voice 16: enjoyed being a part of that process I think it's part of laying the ground

[1:41:09] Voice 16: work for what's helpful for next term and when we will presumably have new

[1:41:14] Voice 16: trustees so right

[1:41:16] Trustee Luckham: so i'm gonna say reach out to sam and uh figure that out that'd be a great thing

[1:41:21] Trustee Luckham: to do and and actually some returning trustees gotta watch my language you know returning

[1:41:29] Trustee Luckham: trustees can also act as mentors both on ltcs and at any of these discussions that we have

[1:41:35] Trustee Luckham: thank you back to

[1:41:36] Voice 9: uca well hopefully we have no new trustees in the next term let's just stick

[1:41:40] Voice 9: with these and and see how we do you figure out how to do that yeah and anything that was done well

[1:41:48] Voice 9: i would encourage you to ask that question as well so that we can you know distill those things

[1:41:52] Voice 9: and and get better at what we're good at already and then improving the things that we're not

[1:41:57] Voice 9: so i have two other considerations for you just in these brief remarks the first is that um the

[1:42:04] Voice 9: lasquiti local trust committee and um the chair of the islands trust have been negotiating a

[1:42:10] Voice 9: protocol agreement with the now First Nation and that's been going on for about a month or six

[1:42:18] Voice 9: weeks if not a bit more and if you'll recall particularly returning trustees that we were

[1:42:25] Voice 9: hoping to mature our organization to a point where we could step into more robust administrative

[1:42:30] Voice 9: relationships as well as getting to know people but also striking a form where we could return

[1:42:37] Voice 9: with confidence to refer matters, have discussions,

[1:42:41] Voice 9: know the people in place, et cetera, et cetera.

[1:42:45] Voice 9: Well, our first one is in front of us.

[1:42:48] Voice 9: And just to summarize briefly,

[1:42:51] Voice 9: both legal teams have reviewed the documents.

[1:42:53] Voice 9: The minister who has a role to play here

[1:42:56] Voice 9: with the protocol agreement

[1:42:58] Voice 9: is in the process of reviewing that.

[1:43:00] Voice 9: The nation itself wishes to conclude this work by March

[1:43:06] Voice 9: and it's gone well.

[1:43:08] Voice 9: And it's a good document. And you would say, why am I asking you this or telling you this?

[1:43:14] Voice 9: And it's because you have to approve it. So if we can, in order to satisfy the nation's request,

[1:43:24] Voice 9: we would consider the idea of a special trust council meeting between now and the end of March,

[1:43:29] Voice 9: where it would be a single item agenda, and that's to approve this protocol agreement.

[1:43:36] Voice 9: and this protocol agreement's got relatively standard language in it and it's a bit of a

[1:43:43] Voice 9: bellwether for your other jurisdictions so it will not be something that you just see once

[1:43:49] Voice 9: and i would say on on for the most part it will be the liskiti trust committee and the trustees

[1:43:57] Voice 9: who are carrying this relationship um there's specific issues back and forth

[1:44:05] Voice 9: between that region and this nation and they'd like to get on with their conversation so that's

[1:44:11] Voice 9: just um giving you a little bit of a heads up moving forward yes sir i

[1:44:16] Voice 27: i think it would be

[1:44:17] Voice 27: very helpful if um in the run-up to the meeting or maybe as part of the special purpose meeting that

[1:44:24] Voice 27: the trustees get walked through the terms of the protocol agreement because

[1:44:34] Voice 27: Because if this is going to be setting what might be a template going forward, it may be very helpful to really understand the terms in detail.

[1:44:45] Voice 27: And you mentioned legal counsels involved on both sides.

[1:44:48] Voice 27: It might be helpful to have our legal counsel explain it to us.

[1:44:53] Voice 27: Not taking forever, but just the fundamental issues that are being addressed by the agreement and what the anticipated effect of it is.

[1:45:03] Voice 27: so we truly understand it before we consider the approval of it thank

[1:45:09] Voice 9: you so I'm hearing a deep

[1:45:13] Voice 9: understandings required by trust council before that they undertake this work which we will

[1:45:20] Voice 9: endeavor to put together that deep understanding has been undertaken at this point by the local

[1:45:26] Voice 9: trust committee so whether we get all of you to the same place they are between now and the end

[1:45:33] Voice 9: of march um i would hope we could um you're signing it on on their behalf um and i'll take

[1:45:42] Voice 9: your words and ec will take your words under advisement to be as robust as possible whether

[1:45:47] Voice 9: we're a codicil by codicil walkthrough um i don't know if all things can be done but we'll do our

[1:45:55] Voice 9: best or maybe i turn it back to the chair um

[1:45:58] Trustee Luckham: thank you just you haven't said um that this would be an

[1:46:01] Trustee Luckham: electronic meeting i'm assuming that that is the case yes and so appreciate if everybody can make

[1:46:09] Trustee Luckham: the time available to that and of course we'd want to make it as brief but as comprehensive

[1:46:14] Trustee Luckham: as possible um to respect your time of a short notice electronic meeting being created in the

[1:46:21] Trustee Luckham: meantime um and i'd be cal i personally would be cautious about calling it a template because

[1:46:28] Trustee Luckham: because certainly the principles might be template-ish,

[1:46:30] Trustee Luckham: but every LTC would have their own protocol

[1:46:34] Trustee Luckham: with each respective nation

[1:46:35] Trustee Luckham: that they have relationships with.

[1:46:38] Trustee Luckham: And indeed we have protocols in place already,

[1:46:40] Trustee Luckham: and two of them in fact,

[1:46:43] Trustee Luckham: and those protocols certainly will have been considered

[1:46:46] Trustee Luckham: and may be worthy of updating in the future

[1:46:50] Trustee Luckham: based upon the work that's gone into this one.

[1:46:52] Trustee Luckham: Is that correct, CAO?

[1:46:55] Voice 9: And this, frankly, I think this is fantastic

[1:46:57] Voice 9: for almost all involved we're starting off this term with this with this

[1:47:01] Voice 9: opportunity to get this early work done that was just just a thought a year or

[1:47:06] Voice 9: two ago yes sir yeah

[1:47:08] Voice 7: I was just wondering how soon do you think you'd

[1:47:10] Voice 7: get the agreement

[1:47:11] Voice 25: to us prior to the meeting I don't know okay that's an

[1:47:24] Voice 25: honest answer

[1:47:25] Voice 7: but I mean it if it's if it's a day or two before that's going to

[1:47:30] Voice 7: be complicated right I mean to have it to have an understanding of the

[1:47:35] Voice 7: agreement that's going to be complicated um so i would just encourage that we you know at least a

[1:47:41] Voice 7: week would be what i would consider um would give us time to sort of sit down with it and break it

[1:47:47] Voice 7: apart and and try and get an understanding of us i'll

[1:47:54] Voice 25: do my level best i

[1:47:56] Voice 9: if i could offer some

[1:47:58] Voice 9: advice don't break it apart right yeah so

[1:48:06] Trustee Luckham: maybe i'll just provide a little bit more background

[1:48:09] Trustee Luckham: ground. This has been in the works for a bit of time. There was actually hope that we might

[1:48:15] Trustee Luckham: bring it to this council, but out of respect for all of those that need to consider it

[1:48:20] Trustee Luckham: before it became a public agenda item at our meeting, it needed to be discussed at the

[1:48:26] Trustee Luckham: nations. So this is moving, it is alive, and it is in all of our best interests and the

[1:48:34] Trustee Luckham: CAO's best interest to ensure that we get that to you as early as we can but the precedents are

[1:48:40] Trustee Luckham: will be set by all of those other parties that are a party to the agreement have seen it and endorsed

[1:48:46] Trustee Luckham: it and then we will get to see it because by nature of our meeting process it ends up being

[1:48:52] Trustee Luckham: public at that very moment in time so absolutely we want to respect your time and space to have

[1:48:58] Trustee Luckham: the opportunity to look at it

[1:48:59] Voice 7: yeah I really do appreciate that and I do appreciate the time that

[1:49:04] Voice 7: the LISCETI trustees and yourselves and the executive committee and staff put into the process in this NOMIS as well,

[1:49:12] Voice 7: it will, in essence, become something of a template.

[1:49:15] Voice 7: I mean, just by being first, right?

[1:49:22] Voice 7: And so that's what I'm saying, yeah.

[1:49:25] Voice 7: But I do respect the work that's gone into it.

[1:49:28] Voice 7: It would just be nice to have it as soon as we can prior to the meeting.

[1:49:33] Voice 7: Thanks.

[1:49:35] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, sure. I think we'll finish this, but just what would it suggest, and I'm sure that they can be found, that Thetis and Gabriola have protocol agreements already.

[1:49:47] Trustee Luckham: So it's not the first, and certainly in the meantime, you could avail yourself of that material and familiarize yourself with some of the concepts.

[1:49:55] Trustee Luckham: But keep in mind, both of those are quite dated at this point, long before we really embraced reconciliation.

[1:50:03] Trustee Luckham: reconciliation, long before we embrace reconciliation period, actually.

[1:50:07] Trustee Luckham: So thank you for your interest.

[1:50:08] Trustee Luckham: And I'm going to turn it back to the CEO to move on on his agenda.

[1:50:12] Voice 9: I'm getting the move along quickly vibe.

[1:50:18] Voice 9: So I'm only going to take twenty five minutes for this next.

[1:50:22] Voice 9: I'd like to briefly speak about strategic planning.

[1:50:25] Voice 9: And I know I've got I've had some early

[1:50:28] Voice 9: conversations with a number of trustees who've been tasked by you,

[1:50:31] Voice 9: namely the members of the Governance Committee

[1:50:33] Voice 9: Committee with Chair Giudicchietti and members of the FPC and the notion that the Allens

[1:50:41] Voice 9: Trust wants to develop a corporate planning process that that would be healthy for the

[1:50:47] Voice 9: organization and that came of the governance review.

[1:50:50] Voice 9: We have to or you have to combine that with the real world scenario where the executive

[1:50:57] Voice 9: committee is responsible for a strategic plan for the organization.

[1:51:02] Voice 9: and while there's work going to be done at the governance level around these deeper thoughts

[1:51:07] Voice 9: and how to get a better process an effective process in place you're not being determinate

[1:51:12] Voice 9: in terms of it's got to be by then it's got to be by here it's got to be by a certain time

[1:51:17] Voice 9: I'm hoping that we'll be able to do to some degree both of those things at the same time

[1:51:25] Voice 9: and the reason I point this out is that ultimately executive committee does need to lead you through

[1:51:30] Voice 9: through that strategic process,

[1:51:32] Voice 9: you need to know what the current strategic plan,

[1:51:35] Voice 9: how it lives and its status and how it was arrived at.

[1:51:40] Voice 9: So you need time there instead of just starting

[1:51:42] Voice 9: from history starts right now.

[1:51:45] Voice 9: So I think there's some value.

[1:51:47] Voice 9: The other thought for you is this,

[1:51:50] Voice 9: let's say during this meeting,

[1:51:52] Voice 9: you determined that a large project needs to be undertaken

[1:51:56] Voice 9: and that it's comprehensive across the Islands Trust

[1:51:59] Voice 9: trust and that it costs a lot of money. As you say, do that work, that ends up being a strategic

[1:52:06] Voice 9: planning item or adhering to the strategic plan. That's what happened with the governance report.

[1:52:14] Voice 9: Trust Council sat and said, this is important to us. We're going to fund it. It got everybody's

[1:52:20] Voice 9: interest involved. Let's make it a priority. And that's how something makes a priority. So you have

[1:52:26] Voice 9: a living strategic plan right now admittedly it's not quote unquote yours right this second

[1:52:32] Voice 9: but you own its function and the budget that you're about to consider addresses the remaining

[1:52:39] Voice 9: items in that strategic plan you're about to run then by september for the coming budget year you'll

[1:52:49] Voice 9: have had to consider what direction what are projects and interests that we want to express

[1:52:54] Voice 9: us through our next budget right so we're in 23 24 which is essentially the end of the last term

[1:53:01] Voice 9: we're going 24 25 we don't want to be 25 26. so how do we sequence these things the best way we

[1:53:10] Voice 9: collectively can and not really do them consecutively so i've had these initial conversations

[1:53:15] Voice 9: and i think it speaks to your point um uh trustee patrick and that is that ec is aware that it has

[1:53:22] Voice 9: it has to put its mind to that conversation and the fact that the first

[1:53:28] Voice 9: part of that conversation is likely a values and principles conversation where

[1:53:32] Voice 9: what what is some some commonality that you can begin to have a conversation

[1:53:36] Voice 9: around that would lead to work being done at some point but that's just I

[1:53:43] Voice 9: just want to leave you with that thought I know there's going to be reporting

[1:53:46] Voice 9: from the Governance Committee later on in this meeting and EC&D does have that

[1:53:50] Voice 9: responsibility so they will be building it into their work plan that's it from me um mr

[1:53:58] Voice 9: sharon respond to any questions very

[1:54:01] Trustee Luckham: good thank you say austin pillar any questions for the

[1:54:04] Trustee Luckham: ceo uh lee middleton hey

[1:54:07] Voice 2: mr ceo um a great report as always and i just uh highlighting the um

[1:54:12] Voice 2: mention of insurance and uh captive as i think sometimes call it through the municipal insurance

[1:54:18] Voice 2: insurance agency I think it's a great my personal experience business-wise has been the world of

[1:54:24] Voice 2: insurance is shifting and taking for granted even that a policy can be available is maybe not the

[1:54:31] Voice 2: best assumption going forward and so I would just encourage and maybe encourage the members of the

[1:54:35] Voice 2: financial planning committee to take up our CEOs um um project here and and if you could please

[1:54:43] Voice 2: please report back sort of yay or nay

[1:54:45] Voice 2: in terms of what is found out,

[1:54:47] Voice 2: because I do think that it seems administrative perhaps,

[1:54:50] Voice 2: but I do think it's actually quite important

[1:54:52] Voice 2: and will grow in importance.

[1:54:54] Voice 2: So thank you for highlighting it.

[1:55:00] Voice 9: Yes, it's my intention that this dream doesn't die

[1:55:03] Voice 9: on the shores of the Islands Trust,

[1:55:05] Voice 9: and that we have an ability to join other people

[1:55:10] Voice 9: who are doing similar work and get similar protections

[1:55:12] Voice 9: and hopefully lower our costs.

[1:55:14] Voice 9: So, we'll report back to FPC as soon as we can.

[1:55:18] Voice 25: Thank you, CEO.

[1:55:19] Voice 25: Any other questions?

[1:55:24] Trustee Luckham: Okay, I'm going to move along. Thank you very much,

[1:55:26] Trustee Luckham: CEO, for your report and your terrific work in supporting our preserve and protect mandate.

[1:55:31] Trustee Luckham: As you have noted, we've deferred item 4.22 to 7.15 tomorrow, pending some incoming information

[1:55:41] Trustee Luckham: on that topic. This will bring us to our first decision item of the day, which is 4.23,

[1:55:46] Trustee Luckham: three, the revision of the Sunshine Coast Regional District funding support letter that's

[1:55:50] Trustee Luckham: on page 50. This was something that you looked at before, if I'm not mistaken, and it's just

[1:55:56] Trustee Luckham: a revision of it in order to support the regional district's request better. So this is from

[1:56:01] Trustee Luckham: the director of local planning services and Stefan Cermak. Do you want to speak to this?

[1:56:05] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see David Mahler's up there.

[1:56:12] Voice 26: If it's all right, I'll speak from here, Mr. Chair.

[1:56:14] Voice 26: if they were we're

[1:56:15] Trustee Luckham: on 4.2.3

[1:56:16] Voice 26: yep oh i know where we are the um i don't have anything further to

[1:56:20] Voice 26: add other than what you've already said i'm happy to answer any questions

[1:56:23] Trustee Luckham: okay so i see uh may read

[1:56:26] Trustee Luckham: uh boland sotrana island over to you and then christine evans sure

[1:56:31] Voice 32: thank you i uh found this

[1:56:33] Voice 32: a little bit uh i would like a little microphone

[1:56:35] Trustee Luckham: a little closer if you

[1:56:36] Voice 32: don't mind okay sure

[1:56:38] Voice 32: uh i'd like some more clarity on this it seems rather strange that you would i mean i understand

[1:56:44] Voice 32: the principle of supporting uh you know applications for funding but this support

[1:56:51] Voice 32: letter has been rejected twice or amendments have been requested and the final version

[1:56:58] Voice 32: seems to imply that the funding will be received managed etc on behalf of the islands trust as

[1:57:08] Voice 32: though the island's trust becomes accountable for the funding and the execution of whatever the

[1:57:14] Voice 32: funding is supporting and in the discussion it seems to say that the reason they've asked for

[1:57:22] Voice 32: this is so that they are assured that the island's trust will not apply for this funding and i find

[1:57:29] Voice 32: that very specious i think is the word um i don't see how that letter guarantees that and why that

[1:57:38] Voice 32: letter should be required to say that to make that obvious. So I just find it a

[1:57:45] Voice 32: bit odd and I would like to know is this a common thing to happen that we

[1:57:53] Voice 32: should explicitly say that we are asking for the funding on behalf of the Islands

[1:58:01] Voice 32: Trust. So yeah thank you. Director Cermak.

[1:58:05] Voice 26: Thank you Mr. Chair and writing letters

[1:58:08] Voice 26: of support for uh regional districts and other agencies that we cooperate and coordinate with

[1:58:13] Voice 26: are is in fact very common and what's being asked here is to ensure that there's no um confusion

[1:58:21] Voice 26: that the islands trust asks for the same funding that the sunshine coast regional district is

[1:58:27] Voice 26: asking for it's not exclusive to us asking for the islands trust asking in other regions it's

[1:58:32] Voice 26: just the ubcm really want it's a lot of money for them to commit they just wanted that clarity

[1:58:37] Voice 26: So it's really just making sure that if further access to this grant is sought, apparently that's a grant, that we do so in other regions besides the Sunshine Coast.

[1:58:50] Voice 26: Thank

[1:58:51] Trustee Luckham: you. So, Christina Evans.

[1:58:54] Voice 3: I just have a question, point of clarification. It says that the deadline for this application was February 24th, which has passed. Is this still applicable or is this now a moot point?

[1:59:12] Voice 26: The funding has been tentatively awarded to the Sunshine Coast, but the UBCM has asked

[1:59:21] Voice 26: and continues to ask to get this resolution from the Trust Council for their, I don't

[1:59:29] Voice 26: know, sense of security, what have you.

[1:59:31] Voice 26: So we're doing it on their benefit.

[1:59:32] Voice 26: fit but they that's right and they sort of made that special extension for the

[1:59:38] Voice 26: Trust Council to make this resolution right

[1:59:40] Trustee Luckham: thank you do you

[1:59:41] Voice 26: have a follow-up

[1:59:41] Voice 26: there I

[1:59:42] Voice 3: do yes so if it's already been awarded to them why are we writing the

[1:59:47] Voice 3: letter

[1:59:50] Voice 26: they have awarded it subject to this being issued this resolution being

[1:59:56] Voice 26: Yeah,

[1:59:57] Trustee Luckham: so if there are no further questions, I'll turn to

[2:00:00] Trustee Luckham: uh kate louise stanford for there is another question but when i've resolved that question

[2:00:04] Trustee Luckham: i'll turn to kate louis stanford for a motion if that seems appropriate uh joe bernardo

[2:00:08] Voice 27: yeah i um

[2:00:10] Voice 27: i don't have any background being a newcomer to all this so i guess i'd like to know how much

[2:00:15] Voice 27: money's involved here and uh from what i've read my understanding and i want please correct me if

[2:00:22] Voice 27: wrong it's it's covering a one-year period or is it a longer period and i actually got three

[2:00:29] Voice 27: three questions. How much money, how long is the period of the grant? And it's not meant

[2:00:34] Voice 27: to be critical, but why did we not take advantage of it? I imagine there's logistical and practical

[2:00:40] Voice 27: reasons for that. I'd just like to know why we didn't take advantage of the grant opportunity.

[2:00:45] Voice 27: Thank you.

[2:00:47] Trustee Luckham: Director Cermak.

[2:00:48] Voice 26: Sure, thank you. Well, my understanding is that there was no

[2:00:51] Voice 26: strategic plan to take this forward, or it wasn't the priority of the individual local

[2:00:56] Voice 26: local trust committees but i can't speak clearly to that my understanding is this that the sunshine

[2:01:01] Voice 26: coast regional district is prepared to receive that money and spend that money and therefore

[2:01:06] Voice 26: they're applying for the grant as you know in order to get a grant you have to be ready for it

[2:01:11] Voice 26: and my assumption which is only an assumption is that we were not ready to do so for this

[2:01:16] Voice 26: particular stream of funding which has expired for the 2022 distribution time period

[2:01:22] Trustee Luckham: uh ceo

[2:01:24] Trustee Luckham: hodgson pillar has some additional information i

[2:01:27] Voice 9: don't know um mr chair to my understanding we

[2:01:31] Voice 9: don't have a an emergency management function that's right so this is a this is a function

[2:01:36] Voice 9: of a regional district they all have emergency services and they tax for their region and you

[2:01:42] Voice 9: are participants in seven different versions of that um your citizens would be because you've got

[2:01:48] Voice 9: seven different regional districts i don't know the health of each one of those emergency plans

[2:01:52] Voice 9: but I don't think you can access this funding.

[2:01:54] Voice 9: You're supportive to the same citizens, of course.

[2:01:59] Voice 9: So you're just being asked to support the regional district

[2:02:04] Voice 9: in this case, getting the funding.

[2:02:05] Voice 9: Sure.

[2:02:06] Trustee Luckham: And it might be that by coincidence, Kate Louise Stanford,

[2:02:10] Trustee Luckham: who's the director of Sunshine Coast,

[2:02:12] Trustee Luckham: might be able to fill in some of the blanks here,

[2:02:14] Trustee Luckham: but I do see some other questions,

[2:02:16] Trustee Luckham: follow-up questions perhaps.

[2:02:18] Trustee Luckham: And so I don't know whether Kate Louise,

[2:02:20] Trustee Luckham: you want to jump in now,

[2:02:21] Trustee Luckham: or you want to wait to hear the other questions this

[2:02:27] Trustee Stamford: process was started in the previous term

[2:02:29] Trustee Stamford: yeah for

[2:02:30] Trustee Stamford: these letters um this is just an administrative process to to move it forward

[2:02:37] Trustee Stamford: from the sunshine coast regional district point of view it was requirement of uvcm and they're

[2:02:45] Trustee Stamford: just following their protocol the it this these programs will be covering all the islands in the

[2:02:52] Trustee Stamford: the regional district. So we do benefit and it's an opportunity to, again, demonstrate

[2:02:58] Trustee Stamford: how we coordinate our activities with our local regional districts.

[2:03:03] Trustee Luckham: Collaborate with others. Thank you. Any further questions? I'll just give you a chance to

[2:03:08] Trustee Luckham: reflect on that. Deb Morrison.

[2:03:10] Voice 31: So I totally agree with how you're framing it, Louise. I guess my question is, it's really

[2:03:18] Voice 31: It's really important for us to be very clear on who has what jurisdiction where, like, and I really think this is important. And so I just, I don't understand, given its regional district connection, why it's trust council, why it's not the Gambier and Keats LTC.

[2:03:33] Voice 31: If I could have

[2:03:33] Voice 31: that clarified, that'd be super helpful.

[2:03:36] Trustee Stamford: I asked the same question, and it was that trust council is the body that UBCM is looking at. It's not just the local trust committee.

[2:03:50] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I might add to that to help, in fact, to follow our question, is that if GAMBRA

[2:03:58] Trustee Luckham: LTC was involved in applying for that funding, it would likely, from UBCM's perspective,

[2:04:05] Trustee Luckham: still require us to endorse the LTC to have it.

[2:04:08] Trustee Luckham: So it's sort of a chicken and the egg kind of process that UBCM is involved with the

[2:04:15] Trustee Luckham: islands trust council not with individual local trust committees that's just the nature of the

[2:04:20] Trustee Luckham: way ubcm is managed so this is only administrative could

[2:04:25] Voice 31: i add one last thought yeah please so i i

[2:04:27] Voice 31: guess my thought to this would be if the members of the ltc are for this then i don't think it's

[2:04:36] Voice 31: for us to stand in the way of it and so but i i kind of need it to be stated that their ltc is

[2:04:43] Voice 31: equally for it yeah I just I don't want to take local decisions into Trust

[2:04:48] Voice 31: Council I'll be making out voting local LTC members indeed

[2:04:53] Trustee Luckham: okay Louise do you

[2:04:55] Trustee Luckham: want to address that as

[2:05:00] Trustee Stamford: as a goal I the LTC has been supportive of emergency

[2:05:06] Trustee Stamford: program support we it's it's an obvious priority for us but as a local Trust

[2:05:13] Trustee Stamford: committee we have not had the opportunity to discuss this right

[2:05:18] Trustee Luckham: because you're new and i'm

[2:05:19] Trustee Luckham: just going to out of fairness turn to joe bernardo and other ltc member uh

[2:05:25] Voice 27: yeah i you know just my

[2:05:27] Voice 27: preliminary thought about this is uh basically the train's already left the station i'm not going to

[2:05:34] Voice 27: stand in front of it but the uh i am a little perplexed because i i'm hearing mixed signals

[2:05:41] Voice 27: here which i would just like to clarify that and i don't want to take up too much time but

[2:05:44] Voice 27: But I heard the CEO say that basically we're not eligible.

[2:05:48] Voice 27: And then I've heard, which begs the question, it's like, why are we even talking about it if we're not eligible?

[2:05:53] Voice 27: So I'm assuming that given the tenor of the letter, they're thinking that we might apply it.

[2:06:01] Voice 27: And that's why the Sunshine Coast Regional District wants us to sign off on it, because they want to close off the possibility that we're going to mess up their plan.

[2:06:10] Voice 27: So are we eligible to apply for this grant?

[2:06:13] Voice 27: And not because I necessarily want us to, but just so I understand the situation, are we eligible to apply for it?

[2:06:19] Voice 27: Maybe in some future date, if we incorporate that into some strategic direction we want to go into, that's an option for us.

[2:06:26] Voice 27: I just want to clarify that piece of information. That's all. Thank you.

[2:06:28] Voice 27: All right. No,

[2:06:35] Trustee Luckham: we don't know is the answer to that one. UBCM is UBCM. May read Boland. I did see your hand up.

[2:06:44] Voice 32: so um in answer to joe's question i considered i was asking about provincial funding in general

[2:06:53] Voice 32: and the grant funding that we get conditional and unconditional and i read a little about the grant

[2:07:02] Voice 32: local trust act or whatever and then i you know i talked to claire and she said yeah it all comes

[2:07:09] Voice 32: through UBCM now they are they administer it one thing that I did notice and I'm happy to talk with

[2:07:15] Voice 32: anybody who wants to investigate this with me is that there are very specific things about funding

[2:07:22] Voice 32: the islands trust in the act about conditional grants and then you move to the UBCM website

[2:07:32] Voice 32: website where they have all of this funding and it's very much structured around you know um do

[2:07:40] Voice 32: you want to upgrade your wastewater system like infrastructure projects things that the islands

[2:07:44] Voice 32: trust doesn't do so it's like they have excluded the islands trust from their you know categorization

[2:07:52] Voice 32: of funding that's available yet in the local trust act it say specifically and it goes you

[2:07:59] Voice 32: know here's the general stuff and here's the stuff that's about the islands trust which points to

[2:08:04] Voice 32: funding around the trust policy statement and funding around local trust activities

[2:08:11] Voice 32: which includes kind of reviews of your policies reviews of how you're doing so it is a bit of a

[2:08:17] Voice 32: disconnect that i think we should investigate and i'd be happy to work with somebody on that

[2:08:26] Voice 32: and further to this what i don't like about this is do we become responsible for the execution

[2:08:34] Voice 32: of the projects around this funding by saying that we are saying this that the funding is being

[2:08:42] Voice 32: applied for on and managed on our behalf and it's not i'm quite happy to support an organization

[2:08:50] Voice 32: organization getting grant funding, I just find this a little specific and a little peculiar.

[2:08:55] Voice 32: And I wonder, will it become the norm that we will, you know, support funding to the

[2:09:03] Voice 32: degree that we say it's being applied for and managed on our behalf? I find that more

[2:09:10] Voice 32: than should be required. Thank you.

[2:09:13] Trustee Luckham: So it's a little off track of what the motion is on that table, but I certainly think it's

[2:09:19] Trustee Luckham: worthy for us to consider this into the future. There's sort of a whole UBCM 101 almost necessary

[2:09:26] Trustee Luckham: here and understand how that funding mechanism that the province provides funding and interestingly

[2:09:32] Trustee Luckham: enough asks UBCM to administer the funding and so certainly that's another conversation but I don't

[2:09:37] Trustee Luckham: think that's a conversation for today. I'm going to turn to Kate Louise Stamberg to see if she wants

[2:09:41] Trustee Luckham: to make the motion and then the motion will fail or succeed on your vote.

[2:09:47] Trustee Stamford: I think there was also a

[2:09:48] Trustee Stamford: a quick response to one of Trustee Bernardo's questions,

[2:09:52] Trustee Stamford: how much was it for?

[2:09:55] Trustee Stamford: I think this one was for $500,000,

[2:09:58] Trustee Stamford: which includes the islands.

[2:10:02] Trustee Stamford: So that's

[2:10:04] Voice 25: part of the question.

[2:10:09] Voice 25: Joe Bernardo.

[2:10:11] Voice 25: Sorry,

[2:10:12] Voice 27: from what I've,

[2:10:13] Voice 27: the cursory material that's available,

[2:10:15] Voice 27: this half million dollars is going to be devoted

[2:10:18] Voice 27: to a mapping exercise.

[2:10:19] Voice 27: size. Although we're not in the service delivery business, we certainly are in the research or

[2:10:26] Voice 27: local waters and environment business. I'm down thinking, gee, that's a half a million dollars.

[2:10:36] Voice 27: So, you know, this is not the time to switch gears on this. It's pretty late in the day.

[2:10:42] Voice 27: But I do agree with the sentiment that's been expressed that this is worth exploring

[2:10:48] Voice 27: in the future as a potential opportunity here

[2:10:55] Voice 27: to do things that are very similar

[2:10:57] Voice 27: to what we're already doing

[2:10:58] Voice 27: and just get some funding from the province to do it.

[2:11:02] Voice 27: So that's at least worth exploring.

[2:11:05] Voice 27: Thank you.

[2:11:06] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Joe.

[2:11:07] Trustee Luckham: Deb Morrison, did you have a hand up?

[2:11:09] Voice 31: Yeah, I have a suggestion

[2:11:10] Voice 31: about the recommendation for the letter.

[2:11:12] Voice 31: So I do, I mean, we can't pass up

[2:11:14] Voice 31: half a million dollars of climate funding, right?

[2:11:16] Voice 31: Right. So, like, yeah, no, I understand that. No, I understand that.

[2:11:22] Voice 31: But but I'm what I think the sticking point for me, too, is similar to what Mary it is, is that I really don't like that.

[2:11:30] Voice 31: The letter would say that they're applying on behalf of the Alans Trust because we already have a lot of problems that we're we're handling flack for the regional district around.

[2:11:40] Voice 31: What was it? Bread, bread and soup or something like that on our island.

[2:11:44] Voice 31: And it's nothing to do with us, but we're handling flack for it.

[2:11:47] Voice 31: So we have to be a little bit clear to stay in our lane and be clear with community about that.

[2:11:51] Voice 31: And this muddies the water. So I think that if we can make the recommendation, whatever your motion is, so that it's not the language of like on behalf of the Islands Trust, but, you know, applying for this grant for work in the trust area in collaboration with the Islands Trust.

[2:12:09] Voice 31: Yay. Let's do that.

[2:12:14] Trustee Luckham: Director Cermak.

[2:12:16] Voice 26: I think I just I just like to express again with this request for decision is that this is the

[2:12:22] Voice 26: resolution that the UBCM has asked for to make them feel more comfortable in themselves I'm not

[2:12:26] Voice 26: trying to tell you what to say but I too struggled with Islands Trust versus LTCs versus etc and they

[2:12:35] Voice 26: came back to me this is the resolution that will help them sleep at night yeah

[2:12:41] Trustee Luckham: you know that's kind

[2:12:41] Trustee Luckham: of an old saying that I sort of think it applies to this is you can't give away your rights

[2:12:47] Trustee Luckham: and so this is a comfort letter to be quite honest to uec so how do we want to proceed

[2:12:56] Trustee Luckham: kawaii louise uh the ceo has some additional remark he didn't like what the chair said

[2:13:04] Voice 9: oh no i like what the chair said um why don't you just end the thing uh the sentence of the

[2:13:09] Voice 25: word grant i'm sorry oh you got it okay kate

[2:13:21] Trustee Luckham: louise somebody's got his mic on there you go

[2:13:25] Trustee Stamford: Thank you.

[2:13:26] Trustee Luckham: I

[2:13:26] Trustee Stamford: move that the Islands Trust Council request staff to write a letter of support under the

[2:13:30] Trustee Stamford: chair's signature stating that the Islands Trust Council supports the Sunshine Coast

[2:13:34] Trustee Stamford: Regional District applying for, receiving, and managing the 2022 Community Emergency

[2:13:40] Trustee Stamford: Preparedness Disaster Risk Reduction Climate Adaption Grant.

[2:13:46] Trustee Luckham: Do I have a seconder?

[2:13:48] Trustee Luckham: I see a number of seconders.

[2:13:49] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to go with Joe Bernardo as an LTC member.

[2:13:52] Trustee Luckham: And so that's moved and seconded.

[2:13:53] Trustee Luckham: Do we need to discuss this any further, Council?

[2:13:57] Trustee Luckham: Then I'm going to call for the vote.

[2:13:58] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor, raise your hands, please.

[2:14:01] Trustee Luckham: And on the line there, David Marler.

[2:14:07] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, David Marler is looking at the screen.

[2:14:10] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so in favor.

[2:14:11] Trustee Luckham: So please lower your hands, council.

[2:14:13] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed?

[2:14:16] Trustee Luckham: All right, none opposed.

[2:14:17] Trustee Luckham: That carries unanimously.

[2:14:18] Trustee Luckham: And I thank you very much for the support to the Gambier LTC and the Sunshine Coast.

[2:14:22] Trustee Luckham: We are at 3.06.

[2:14:24] Trustee Luckham: I want to go for our coffee break, which was scheduled at 3.

[2:14:29] Trustee Luckham: Let's go all the way to 3.15.

[2:14:31] Trustee Luckham: I'd like to keep it keep us back on schedule and so let's continue with the remaining agenda that

[2:14:38] Trustee Luckham: we hadn't completed prior to the break when we return so please back at 3 15 recess

[2:14:44] Voice 25: so believe

[2:23:50] Voice 25: it or not council it's 3 15

[2:23:53] Trustee Luckham: let's reconvene

[2:24:03] Voice 25: I don't get to use that okay council I'm looking

[2:24:38] Voice 25: Looking

[2:24:38] Trustee Luckham: for a quorum sitting at the table, please.

[2:24:42] Trustee Luckham: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.

[2:24:45] Trustee Luckham: I have a quorum.

[2:24:47] Trustee Luckham: If you want to be part of the conversation, I need you to take your seats.

[2:24:56] Trustee Luckham: We got to keep you guys on schedule.

[2:24:59] Voice 23: Okay.

[2:25:04] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to turn now to David Marler, who's standing at the podium there, who's going

[2:25:09] Trustee Luckham: to tell us about what's happening with the council committee's policy

[2:25:13] Trustee Luckham: update and consolidation.

[2:25:14] Voice 25: consolidation.

[2:25:15] Trustee Luckham: This is

[2:25:16] Trustee Luckham: your second

[2:25:16] Trustee Luckham: for the day.

[2:25:20] Trustee Luckham: Let's turn

[2:25:22] Trustee Luckham: the microphone over to David

[2:25:23] Trustee Luckham: to tell us about this system

[2:25:25] Trustee Luckham: policy update.

[2:25:27] Voice 24: Thank you. This is a

[2:25:30] Voice 24: council committee systems policy

[2:25:31] Voice 24: update.

[2:25:32] Voice 24: The financial plan committee requested

[2:25:36] Voice 24: that we look

[2:25:38] Voice 24: at ways to add

[2:25:39] Voice 24: the

[2:25:46] Voice 24: the governance committee chair to the council committee systems policy.

[2:25:54] Voice 24: So when the governance committee was created,

[2:25:57] Voice 24: it was not included as a member on the financial planning committee.

[2:26:02] Voice 24: So this is intended to update that and correct that

[2:26:07] Voice 24: so that we have all of the council committees currently in existence

[2:26:14] Voice 24: represented on the Financial Planning Committee.

[2:26:19] Voice 24: So in doing the work for this,

[2:26:22] Voice 24: it came across my mind when I was looking at it

[2:26:25] Voice 24: that there's some duplication in the Financial Planning Committee

[2:26:29] Voice 24: terms of reference with respect to what was in the Financial Planning Committee systems.

[2:26:35] Voice 24: So it made sense to consolidate all of the terms of reference into the council committee's systems policy.

[2:26:43] Voice 24: So that's essentially what this RFD is doing.

[2:26:47] Voice 24: And if you look on page 54, there's a section that says the intent of this amendment is to, and there's four bullets there.

[2:26:56] Voice 24: So the first one is to add the governance committee.

[2:27:00] Voice 24: So this will add the chair or somebody appointed by the chair to the financial planning committee.

[2:27:06] Voice 24: And then secondly, to remove the redundancies that's in the current system by combining

[2:27:12] Voice 24: them all into one.

[2:27:13] Voice 24: And that's what three and four do.

[2:27:16] Voice 24: And item three, the executive committee is included in an attachment.

[2:27:22] Voice 24: And that really doesn't make sense because the executive committee is not a council committee.

[2:27:28] Voice 24: It's a legislative committee under the Islands Trust Act.

[2:27:31] Voice 24: So this actually cleans it up as well.

[2:27:34] Voice 24: So that is the intent and the recommendations are on page 53.

[2:27:41] Voice 24: And I'll answer any questions if you need that.

[2:27:43] Voice 25: Thank you.

[2:27:45] Voice 24: Any

[2:27:46] Trustee Luckham: questions for the director?

[2:27:48] Trustee Luckham: Joe Bernardo.

[2:27:52] Voice 27: Okay.

[2:27:53] Voice 27: Okay.

[2:27:54] Voice 27: All right.

[2:27:54] Voice 27: Quick question.

[2:27:55] Voice 27: How do I use the microphone?

[2:27:56] Voice 27: microphone. The attachments, which I read the FBC one, I didn't read the rest, but when

[2:28:06] Voice 27: I read the FBC one, it looks like it doesn't change anything. It's just moving it around

[2:28:10] Voice 27: and attaching it. So that, you know, when I first saw that highlighting, it was kind

[2:28:15] Voice 27: of like, oh, drama. Turns out there's no drama. Is that fair to say that all the other attachments

[2:28:20] Voice 27: are basically reproducing what was elsewhere and just putting it in this package?

[2:28:27] Voice 24: thank you uh that's correct yeah i should have said that so nothing in the terms of reference

[2:28:32] Voice 24: has been changed so all of that language that you see in yellow that's just showing what we added in

[2:28:37] Voice 24: uh but i haven't made any amendments to that okay

[2:28:41] Trustee Luckham: thank you david any other questions uh trustee

[2:28:43] Trustee Luckham: patrick and

[2:28:46] Trustee Patrick: just think more of the workflow you know later in the agenda we're going to consider

[2:28:50] Trustee Patrick: a point asking or directing the governance committee to review the members of the financial

[2:28:55] Trustee Patrick: planning committee so it's like we're adjusting adjusting this and then we're going to be

[2:29:00] Trustee Patrick: updating and changing it later so it's just it's just a workflow it just seems

[2:29:04] Trustee Luckham: yeah understood but it's a process yeah okay without any other questions um okay deb morrison

[2:29:11] Trustee Luckham: sorry

[2:29:13] Voice 31: then um laura would it be a defer to after that point to address your issue because that's a

[2:29:20] Voice 31: a legit issue well

[2:29:23] Trustee Patrick: that was my i just thought the you know item 426 is about reviewing who's

[2:29:29] Trustee Patrick: on the financial planning committee that work could be done but that's all if

[2:29:38] Voice 27: i could address

[2:29:39] Voice 27: that point

[2:29:39] Trustee Luckham: david do you have a comment on that no uh joe bernardo um

[2:29:45] Voice 27: the uh when this came up

[2:29:48] Voice 27: at the Financial Planning Committee,

[2:29:52] Voice 27: it became apparent that it had been an oversight

[2:29:55] Voice 27: with respect to the Governance Committee.

[2:29:57] Voice 27: And I take Trustee Patrick's point that...

[2:30:00] Voice 27: There is a larger question here about the composition of the Financial Planning Committee.

[2:30:05] Voice 27: And later on, discussion about referring that to Governance Committee.

[2:30:10] Voice 27: Those aren't necessarily joined issues.

[2:30:14] Voice 27: The immediate issue right now is Financial Planning Committee thinks we ought to have Governance Committee sitting there, representative from it, consistent with the other standing committees.

[2:30:28] Voice 27: So we probably should fix that first because we don't know whether or not the composition of the FPC or the structure of it, whether it's going to change.

[2:30:38] Voice 27: And if so, how it's going to change going forward.

[2:30:40] Voice 27: The second resolution that's later on there is really a matter of it's requesting that the question be referred to trust committee to examine or sorry, to the governance committee to examine and consider what comes out of that process.

[2:30:53] Voice 27: who knows but in the interim um it would be useful to have the governance committee

[2:30:59] Voice 27: sitting on the fpc so it's you know representative of that that constituents thank you

[2:31:06] Trustee Luckham: so thank you

[2:31:07] Trustee Luckham: i'm going to turn to the chair of the governance committee to make the motion and then through that

[2:31:12] Trustee Luckham: if you wish to speak to the motion once we've had it seconded um you can afford yourself that

[2:31:16] Trustee Luckham: opportunity i'd

[2:31:17] Voice 33: like to move that the trust council adopt the revised trust council policy

[2:31:21] Voice 33: 2.3.1 bracket council committee system in terms of reference in bracket dated march the 7th 2023

[2:31:28] Voice 33: that adds the governance committee membership to the financial planning committee includes the

[2:31:33] Voice 33: terms of reference for all council committees and removes references for reference to the executive

[2:31:38] Voice 33: committee and further move that the trust council rescind policies 2.3.2 bracket regional planning

[2:31:44] Voice 33: committee terms reference and bracket 2.3.3 bracket financial planning committee terms of

[2:31:50] Voice 33: reference and bracket 2.3.4 trust programs committee terms of reference and bracket

[2:31:55] Voice 33: and 2.3.5 governance committee terms of reference

[2:31:59] Trustee Luckham: and bracket thank you very much chair getty is

[2:32:02] Trustee Luckham: our seconder tim peterson seconding thank you tim do you wish to speak to the motion

[2:32:08] Voice 25: no we kind of felt it was housekeeping felt which that

[2:32:14] Voice 33: it was uh yeah an oversight that um we wanted

[2:32:20] Voice 33: to get somebody on to the finance advisory committee sooner rather than later and that

[2:32:24] Voice 33: the other work could follow okay

[2:32:27] Trustee Luckham: thank you for chair getty is there any further conversation

[2:32:31] Trustee Luckham: on this i'm going to call the vote all those in favor and online david graham is in favor

[2:32:38] Trustee Luckham: and please lower your hands are there any opposed that's unanimous two unanimous motions for this

[2:32:45] Trustee Luckham: First Council. Thank you. I'm going to now move along to 4.2.5, Establishment and Accessibility

[2:32:54] Trustee Luckham: Committee, RFD. That's on page 68. And I see David Marler is still standing at the podium. So

[2:33:02] Trustee Luckham: over to you again, sir.

[2:33:04] Voice 24: Yeah, thank you. So this has been brought to attention previously. So the

[2:33:09] Voice 24: the Accessible British Columbia Act came into effect.

[2:33:14] Voice 24: And as of September 1st, 2023,

[2:33:17] Voice 24: local governments, including the Islands Trust,

[2:33:21] Voice 24: must have a accessibility committee

[2:33:24] Voice 24: and the accessibility committee will help council

[2:33:28] Voice 24: by coming up with an accessibility plan.

[2:33:31] Voice 24: And then that plan over every three years has to be updated.

[2:33:36] Voice 24: There is a requirement that that plan,

[2:33:38] Voice 24: And as it's being reviewed, there must be some form of public feedback into that as well.

[2:33:45] Voice 24: The Act requires certain conditions on the people that are appointed.

[2:33:50] Voice 24: So half, I shouldn't say the word must be, but it should strive to have half of the people on that committee with some form of a disability or they work for an agency that supports people with disabilities.

[2:34:04] Voice 24: disabilities, and then one would be Indigenous.

[2:34:08] Voice 24: So it's really up to council how you'd like this committee to be made up.

[2:34:12] Voice 24: I've had a look around at other local governments, and it's anywhere from a mix of some council

[2:34:17] Voice 24: members, people at large, community groups that work with disabilities in the community.

[2:34:25] Voice 24: So what you see here is a suggestion of a committee of, I think it's around 11 individuals,

[2:34:33] Voice 24: And if you look on page 69, you'll see a suggested membership.

[2:34:38] Voice 24: So this really, this is just a suggestion.

[2:34:43] Voice 24: You know, so the idea here is it would look to some people from organizations.

[2:34:47] Voice 24: The suggestion is around four, probably up to three that are indigenous.

[2:34:54] Voice 24: If you get one, that meets the act.

[2:34:56] Voice 24: If you get more, that's better.

[2:34:59] Voice 24: Maybe a couple at large members.

[2:35:01] Voice 24: members, so two people from the trust area, you can obviously change that number.

[2:35:06] Voice 24: It suggests that two trustees appointed by the chair and ratified by trust counsel, but

[2:35:14] Voice 24: you could obviously do it through an election if you prefer.

[2:35:18] Voice 24: Chair of trust counsel is an ex-officio member.

[2:35:22] Voice 24: And then of all those people, you would want to find half of them, would try to find half

[2:35:27] Voice 24: of them with some form of disability or work in that support area so instead of saying you know

[2:35:34] Voice 24: identifying a group of people that i did you know have

[2:35:37] Voice 24: the disability or work in that area

[2:35:40] Voice 24: there could be somebody on council that has a disability or there could be somebody at

[2:35:45] Voice 24: large or indigenous individuals that would fit that as well so this just keeps it wide open

[2:35:51] Voice 24: open for uh how you how you do that and again um if you don't meet that 50 requirement it's not the

[2:35:59] Voice 24: end of the world as long as you've tried right so that really is it we would um if Council was to

[2:36:07] Voice 24: um um approve that like we would then move forward with getting advertising together to

[2:36:16] Voice 24: to find those individuals and establish the committee.

[2:36:21] Voice 24: And we'd have to obviously support that committee

[2:36:24] Voice 24: within the organization.

[2:36:26] Voice 24: So I did draft a general terms of reference

[2:36:30] Voice 24: for the Accessibility Committee, which is attached.

[2:36:32] Voice 24: And that would then become an amendment

[2:36:34] Voice 24: to your council committee systems terms of reference.

[2:36:38] Voice 24: The document that you just amended

[2:36:41] Voice 24: will be amending it again.

[2:36:43] Voice 24: So I'll just pass it back to the chair

[2:36:45] Voice 24: and i'll answer any questions that i can okay

[2:36:47] Trustee Luckham: david just for clarity before i go to the floor

[2:36:49] Trustee Luckham: for questions the motion that is uh on our agenda package here um if this is passed that includes

[2:36:57] Trustee Luckham: the amendments that are that you recommended in the attached document it's not specifically in

[2:37:02] Trustee Luckham: the motion and so if council wants to make any additional amendments to the attached document

[2:37:08] Trustee Luckham: we need to do that before we initiate this particular motion okay very

[2:37:13] Trustee Luckham: good thank you

[2:37:14] Trustee Luckham: than David. So I see a number of hands up here. And I think my read was first, Ben Maberly second,

[2:37:21] Trustee Luckham: Sue Ellen Fast, and Christina Evans.

[2:37:26] Voice 32: A quick question. I did go to the BC Accessibility

[2:37:32] Voice 32: website. And one of the things they recommend is that basically we replicate as much as possible,

[2:37:42] Voice 32: that you take any documents or templates that are there any any organizations that have gone ahead

[2:37:48] Voice 32: that it's shared as widely as possible so my question is would your terms of reference have

[2:37:54] Voice 32: come from there they pointed to some organization that had already put a bunch of stuff in place

[2:38:01] Voice 32: thank you

[2:38:03] Voice 24: yeah so I did look at those and one of the problems that I see is that the

[2:38:09] Voice 24: The Allens Trust is unique.

[2:38:10] Voice 24: Local governments, 188 of them in the province, including regional districts, they have infrastructure.

[2:38:17] Voice 24: So they have to consider things like recreation facilities, sidewalks, everything like that.

[2:38:24] Voice 24: We don't.

[2:38:25] Voice 24: So for us, it's places like this.

[2:38:28] Voice 24: Is this accessible when you have a meeting?

[2:38:30] Voice 24: Sound websites.

[2:38:32] Voice 24: It's much more limited.

[2:38:33] Voice 24: So we could go there if you want me to pull those out and do something different.

[2:38:38] Voice 24: we can do that this was intended to keep it as simple as possible and then once that committee

[2:38:45] Voice 24: is formed one of the first things we do is look at the terms of reference and we can certainly

[2:38:49] Voice 24: recommend to council some changes that that committee would recommend rather than me

[2:38:54] Voice 24: recommending it thank

[2:38:56] Trustee Luckham: you david ben maberly and then sue ellen yeah

[2:38:59] Voice 7: i see there's additional

[2:39:00] Voice 7: costs do we know what those costs are going to be with staffing and and um how that's going to

[2:39:05] Voice 7: to fit into the financial planning for the budget for this year yeah

[2:39:10] Voice 24: so there's actually two costs

[2:39:12] Voice 24: the first cost is going to be around running the committee so i would assume it probably meets about

[2:39:18] Voice 24: four times a year similar to the other council committees likely by zoom so i would take the

[2:39:24] Voice 24: cost of our existing committees a little bit of startup on top and use those dollars as an estimate

[2:39:31] Voice 24: so I don't have the number in front of me okay Julia says $2,500 roughly is the cost

[2:39:39] Voice 24: the second cost though is once you have a plan we might we might require a consultant to assist

[2:39:48] Voice 24: with the creation of a plan to work with the committee we may not have the expertise or the

[2:39:53] Voice 24: the staffing inside the organization to to write that kind of a plan and then of course there's

[2:40:00] Voice 24: is the cost of implementation.

[2:40:02] Voice 24: It may change some of how we do business,

[2:40:06] Voice 24: maybe changes to the website, for example,

[2:40:08] Voice 24: changes to how we run meetings

[2:40:10] Voice 24: or changes to the kind of halls that we rent.

[2:40:13] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:40:14] Trustee Luckham: Sue Ellen Fast, and then Christine Evans.

[2:40:18] Voice 18: Thank you, Chair.

[2:40:19] Voice 18: I'm in support of this endeavor

[2:40:23] Voice 18: and we're doing the same thing at Bowen Island Municipality.

[2:40:26] Voice 18: Looks a little different.

[2:40:28] Voice 18: My, I just have one specific suggestion

[2:40:31] Voice 18: And that is on page 74, page 2 of the attachment, number 6, says half of the membership in 1 through 4 must be people with a disability, comma, or support, comma.

[2:40:46] Voice 18: And I don't, I stumbled over that again and again, and I think it should say, and tell me if this is correct, do you mean people with a disability, comma, or support people with a disability?

[2:40:58] Voice 18: Okay.

[2:40:59] Voice 18: Okay. Can you tell us exactly where you are in the document again?

[2:41:02] Voice 18: Yeah, I'm on page 74 of the agenda, which is page two of the attachment, I think. And I'm on 1.1.8, number six, which is the membership of the committee, which seems to me one of the main things. And I just didn't know what or support meant.

[2:41:23] Voice 18: So if we could clarify that by adding the words with a disability after the word support, then I'd be happy to make the motion.

[2:41:32] Trustee Luckham: And David, does that sound correct?

[2:41:36] Voice 24: I'll make that correction. Thank you.

[2:41:38] Trustee Luckham: All right. And CEO Hudson-Pillar.

[2:41:40] Voice 9: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to follow up to Trustee Mabry's question, I think there's a further resource, and that is the staffing resource associated with another committee.

[2:41:49] Voice 9: We've run out of administrative resources at this time,

[2:41:52] Voice 9: the Allens Trust and inside your budget right now

[2:41:54] Voice 9: is contemplation of an administrative position

[2:41:58] Voice 9: that would be supporting this committee

[2:41:59] Voice 9: or allow some other current administrative person to

[2:42:03] Voice 9: by offsetting their work.

[2:42:05] Voice 9: So the administration of another committee

[2:42:07] Voice 9: is considered in the current budget.

[2:42:08] Voice 9: Just want to make sure that you were aware of that.

[2:42:11] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, okay.

[2:42:14] Trustee Luckham: Maybe before I move on to capture this motion for this edit,

[2:42:19] Trustee Luckham: Do you require a motion for that, Edith?

[2:42:22] Trustee Luckham: No.

[2:42:23] Trustee Luckham: No, that's fine, thank you.

[2:42:24] Trustee Luckham: So then when we get to making the motion,

[2:42:26] Trustee Luckham: we'll make it as amended.

[2:42:28] Trustee Luckham: All right, so I'm gonna go to Christina Evans

[2:42:31] Trustee Luckham: and then Deb Morrison.

[2:42:33] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:42:34] Voice 3: I have a couple of corrections as well.

[2:42:37] Voice 3: On page 73, section B, 1.1.1,

[2:42:42] Voice 3: should the accessibility committee be adopted,

[2:42:44] Voice 3: it should read, a council committee system

[2:42:46] Voice 3: is adopted by trust council comprised of five,

[2:42:49] Voice 3: standing committees correct okay and then if we go to page 74 um 1.1.2 i have a question

[2:43:02] Voice 3: should we add at the end and ratified by trust council and then section 1.1.3

[2:43:12] Voice 3: um where it says the second sentence election of the governance committee shall occur

[2:43:18] Voice 3: by the March Trust Council can we say no later than to avoid confusion like we've had with other

[2:43:25] Voice 3: wording so that it can occur earlier rather than at as has been misinterpreted a couple of times

[2:43:33] Voice 3: and then I have questions and suggestions or would like discussion around the makeup on 1.1.8

[2:43:44] Voice 3: so number one where it says up to four people from organizations that support people with

[2:43:49] Voice 3: disabilities in the islands trust area what about people that have disabilities as that is

[2:43:55] Voice 3: an actual mandate and it's not specified there um and then we have up to three people who are

[2:44:04] Voice 3: indigenous should it not say at least one person we should say at least one person because that's

[2:44:13] Voice 3: mandated and up to three and then um again i i'd like to have some discussion around this

[2:44:23] Voice 3: to have three people from trust council sitting on on this committee i think is too many

[2:44:30] Voice 3: and i would like to suggest that the chair be the person that is sitting on the committee

[2:44:37] Voice 3: or a delegate so that there's only one person from trust council so that we don't overwhelm

[2:44:44] Voice 3: this committee with people from trust council and we we allow this committee to really dive

[2:44:51] Voice 3: into what's important to them and report back to the trust body that's a suggestion um like i said

[2:44:59] Voice 3: i would like to have some discussion around that and thank you that's it um

[2:45:06] Trustee Luckham: but that's a lot david

[2:45:08] Trustee Luckham: how would you

[2:45:09] Voice 24: propose we yeah that's uh the edits uh just the minor edits if you can email those to

[2:45:15] Voice 24: me i can deal with that uh the substantive change like 118 where you're looking at the um the

[2:45:20] Voice 24: the numbers, I'd ask that council do that by resolution.

[2:45:23] Voice 24: Right,

[2:45:24] Trustee Luckham: okay.

[2:45:25] Trustee Luckham: So you can provide him the edits.

[2:45:27] Trustee Luckham: So if you want to have a conversation

[2:45:29] Trustee Luckham: about 11.1.8, one through six,

[2:45:33] Trustee Luckham: I think what you're saying is we'd like a resolution

[2:45:35] Trustee Luckham: to make those amendments,

[2:45:37] Trustee Luckham: and then that would be a conversation at this table

[2:45:40] Trustee Luckham: to support that or not.

[2:45:44] Trustee Luckham: So let Trustee Evans consider that,

[2:45:48] Trustee Luckham: that and I'm going to go to Grant Scott oh sorry Deb Morrison then Grant Scott thank

[2:45:55] Voice 31: you um so my

[2:45:57] Voice 31: question was actually related to the membership of the committee and the way that it's appointed

[2:46:02] Voice 31: so in 1.1.9 it says appointments made under these sections will be advertised blah blah blah um the

[2:46:11] Voice 31: executive committee will appoint members from the advertising or other process as soon as possible

[2:46:16] Voice 31: after local government election so that is something that i think so and i don't know

[2:46:24] Voice 31: what the motion is on the fly um because i see that above it in 1.1.8 it says that trust council

[2:46:33] Voice 31: members would be appointed by the trust council chair but ratified by the trust council so i think

[2:46:41] Voice 31: it's the ratification that we want in 1.1.9 so it's consistent of all the members and that helps

[2:46:49] Voice 31: us make sure that we have transparency and clarity on how uh committee appointments are being made

[2:46:58] Voice 24: yeah i mean it's up to council how you'd like this to work and again the resolution if you

[2:47:03] Voice 24: like to make those kind of changes thank you um

[2:47:07] Trustee Luckham: trustee grant and then trustee peterson and then

[2:47:10] Trustee Luckham: and I'll see if there's somebody that has a motion ready.

[2:47:14] Trustee Luckham: Grant?

[2:47:16] Voice 15: Thank you.

[2:47:17] Voice 15: One, two, three, and four under 1.18.

[2:47:21] Voice 15: Up to, in my mind, could be zero.

[2:47:25] Voice 15: So one, two, three, and four could all be zero.

[2:47:30] Voice 15: So is that what this reading means?

[2:47:33] Voice 15: I mean, that's how I'm reading it, but am I

[2:47:35] Voice 25: reading it right?

[2:47:39] Voice 25: David Marlowe.

[2:47:42] Voice 24: Yeah, you could read it that way.

[2:47:44] Voice 24: so if you don't get those people you wouldn't have them on the committee um we we could certainly

[2:47:49] Voice 24: change that to a minimum of one right and then up to four yeah

[2:47:55] Trustee Luckham: thank you i see a hot some pillar

[2:48:00] Voice 9: so mr chair i don't think just my recommendation to you i don't think by motion you're going to

[2:48:05] Voice 9: get to where you need to go here you need to have a conversation around top of like how you feel

[2:48:10] Voice 9: all about various elements so i think you have to have a general conversation it will be too

[2:48:16] Voice 9: challenging to just go one by one through these concepts and it's more what's the approach you

[2:48:22] Voice 9: want to take with the accessibility committee and how is that reflected in the membership

[2:48:27] Trustee Luckham: um thank you for that advice because indeed i'm struggling with that concept there's a lot of

[2:48:32] Trustee Luckham: potential changes here which we could spend the rest of the day on um and of course as you know

[2:48:37] Trustee Luckham: You know, time is always my labor of the month.

[2:48:40] Trustee Luckham: What do you have for recommendations and suggestions?

[2:48:42] Trustee Luckham: It seems maybe this might be appropriate for this to come back to a future council.

[2:48:46] Trustee Luckham: I don't believe there's a rush to get this done.

[2:48:49] Trustee Luckham: There is a rush to get this done.

[2:48:55] Trustee Luckham: David Mahler.

[2:48:56] Trustee Luckham: And then I've got a speaker's list here, and it's Tim Peterson.

[2:49:00] Trustee Luckham: I think I saw May Reed's hand up, and then also Jamie Harris.

[2:49:04] Trustee Luckham: David Mahler.

[2:49:05] Voice 24: Yeah, so it's not a rush.

[2:49:07] Voice 24: but the deadline is to have a committee in place by September 1st.

[2:49:12] Voice 24: So the reason I brought it to this one is anticipating you might want to come

[2:49:17] Voice 24: back to June council with something more.

[2:49:19] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:49:20] Trustee Luckham: So the potential exists for you to gather what you heard and come back

[2:49:25] Trustee Luckham: with a different draft.

[2:49:26] Trustee Luckham: I'd prefer direction from council to come back with something for you.

[2:49:30] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. Understood. Tim.

[2:49:32] Trustee Luckham: So Tim Peterson, maybe Boland and Jamie Harris.

[2:49:38] Voice 8: Thank you, Chair. Under Section 1.1.8 again, I don't see why there should be an upper limit of people who are Indigenous.

[2:49:51] Voice 8: So I'd like to see, you know, if we can get at least one Indigenous person, certainly.

[2:49:57] Voice 8: But I don't think that we need to put a cap on the number of Indigenous participants.

[2:50:01] Voice 8: participants thank

[2:50:05] Trustee Luckham: you um may read jamie harris and back to christina evans

[2:50:13] Trustee Luckham: microphone please suggestion

[2:50:16] Voice 32: would be that um christina and i think deb both had very clear

[2:50:22] Voice 32: things that needed to be um changed and maybe they could work with david and come back with

[2:50:31] Voice 32: a draft for the rest of us and um i don't know whether that could be done in this meeting

[2:50:36] Voice 32: like just later on during this meeting come back because I don't see or we make a motion that

[2:50:44] Voice 32: they form they work with you for June council that's my suggestion because otherwise we're

[2:50:52] Voice 32: going to go through this and add in a word here and take a word out there but I think we're

[2:50:56] Voice 32: generally all on the same page with what Christina and Deb suggested right see you

[2:51:02] Voice 9: well can't you just talk for 10 or 15 minutes about this important um policy element and or

[2:51:13] Voice 9: some period of time and get the key elements and then we'll return to you okay

[2:51:19] Trustee Luckham: well we're kind of

[2:51:20] Trustee Luckham: doing that we've got some key elements um and so i guess so are there other key elements to talk

[2:51:27] Trustee Luckham: about and i'll continue on with my speakers list here and then and i think what you just said is

[2:51:32] Trustee Luckham: is that David could come back to us

[2:51:34] Trustee Luckham: with a revised draft in June.

[2:51:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:51:38] Trustee Luckham: So let me just continue with my speakers list then.

[2:51:41] Trustee Luckham: So Jamie Harris and then Christina Evans,

[2:51:44] Trustee Luckham: and then we'll see where it lands.

[2:51:47] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Chair.

[2:51:49] Voice 25: I

[2:51:50] Voice 10: just, I see that this, to me it's lacking

[2:51:57] Voice 10: and maybe this is possibly what Christina was mentioning,

[2:52:04] Voice 10: But the definition of support, organizations that support people, seems to me it leaves open a lot of possibilities of, like, so what organizations are we talking about?

[2:52:19] Voice 10: Because that could be crucial to a committee, you know, the makeup of a committee, clearly, if it's biased in one way or another, or how do we ensure that?

[2:52:33] Voice 10: So I see some problems there.

[2:52:35] Voice 10: And as speaking to what Tim was mentioning, and Grant Scott, you know, it could be zero.

[2:52:48] Voice 10: So we're going to change one up to three and is like, why only three people who are Indigenous, but four from organizations that support people with disabilities?

[2:52:59] Voice 10: Yeah, I think we could definitely have some conversation around that.

[2:53:03] Voice 10: Now, again, I'm scared that we'll have four people from Transition Salt Spring or something applying, and that's who's going to be, you know, or four people from, could it be the Salt Spring Island Forestry Association that's giving grant or, you know, money to disabilities?

[2:53:19] Voice 10: Are we going to have them?

[2:53:20] Voice 10: Is that what we're talking about here?

[2:53:23] Voice 10: organizations that support people with disabilities or is it an organ are you talking

[2:53:27] Voice 10: an organization that helps people get through the community and and takes them out on community

[2:53:33] Voice 10: outings and that kind of a deal there needs to be some more definition in my mind

[2:53:40] Trustee Luckham: right so some

[2:53:41] Trustee Luckham: clarity on some of these aspects and maybe david maybe what's missing and this is that

[2:53:46] Trustee Luckham: the legislation associated with the reason we've been doing this over

[2:53:50] Voice 24: you yeah the

[2:53:52] Voice 24: legislation leaves it vague on purpose it's it just says support people with disabilities

[2:53:59] Voice 24: i think the catch or the way that would be caught is through the vetting process so we put out an

[2:54:07] Voice 24: advertisement and we got people coming in we'd ask them to say how do they support the people

[2:54:13] Voice 24: with disabilities and where they're located because obviously they probably want people

[2:54:17] Voice 24: that work in the islands and then when it goes to the executive committee if that's

[2:54:22] Voice 24: going to be the process for determining the membership, the executive committee can have

[2:54:28] Voice 24: a look at these people, and then they can make a decision on which ones would be most appropriate

[2:54:34] Voice 24: based on what the telling is. So there's a way to check

[2:54:37] Trustee Luckham: for that kind of thing.

[2:54:39] Trustee Luckham: Okay, there's a bit of a follow-up there from Jamie Harris.

[2:54:42] Trustee Luckham: Yes, please. Thank you, Mr.

[2:54:43] Trustee Luckham: Chair. So

[2:54:45] Voice 10: could it not then come back,

[2:54:50] Voice 10: So did I hear Deb Morrison mention about ratification by the trust council?

[2:54:54] Voice 10: So the executive council's word isn't final on the membership?

[2:54:59] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:55:00] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[2:55:03] Trustee Luckham: I'm inclined to Sam Wozniak had his hand up, so I'd like to go to him and then I'll come

[2:55:06] Trustee Luckham: back to you because I think you're sort of, I see you're busy writing notes down.

[2:55:11] Trustee Luckham: Oh, well, if you just want to contribute, then that's fine and then we'll go to Sam

[2:55:14] Trustee Luckham: and then it sort of just seems to me this needs to come back to us and based upon the

[2:55:19] Trustee Luckham: conversation that we've heard today go ahead Christina um

[2:55:24] Voice 3: so it's just going to answer your

[2:55:25] Voice 3: question Timothy uh with regards to having no cap on the indigenous people it's already in here that

[2:55:32] Voice 3: um half of the membership must be people with disabilities so if we only have two people with

[2:55:37] Voice 3: disabilities we can have no more than uh one indigenous person because we're going to have

[2:55:42] Voice 3: one person from trust as well that's that's the only piece

[2:55:48] Voice 25: there to keep in

[2:55:49] Voice 25: mind so

[2:55:56] Voice 3: that the way that the way that the legislation is written is that at

[2:56:00] Voice 3: least one member must be indigenous and at least half of the members must be

[2:56:06] Voice 3: with disabilities so it's dependent on how many people with disabilities or

[2:56:11] Voice 3: from community or from that support people with disabilities that puts a cap

[2:56:16] Voice 3: on how many Indigenous people can be involved.

[2:56:23] Trustee Luckham: Do you want to respond to that?

[2:56:25] Trustee Luckham: And

[2:56:26] Voice 8: then we'll go to Sam.

[2:56:26] Voice 8: I think what I was trying to get at is that there's every possibility

[2:56:34] Voice 8: that there could be a person who is both Indigenous and disabled,

[2:56:39] Voice 8: and that's sort of where I was coming from,

[2:56:41] Voice 8: and I didn't quite understand, right,

[2:56:46] Voice 8: so that there's some other clear delineations that make more sense.

[2:56:51] Voice 8: But, I mean, we could have a member of trust council who is both Indigenous and disabled.

[2:56:57] Voice 8: So there could be people that, and that's why the cap on Indigenous people doesn't necessarily make as much sense to me.

[2:57:05] Voice 3: That's why I was proposing at least one Indigenous, because that is the actual specification.

[2:57:13] Voice 3: That's what's mandated, at least one.

[2:57:17] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Sam Borswick.

[2:57:19] Trustee Luckham: um

[2:57:20] Voice 16: yeah i the upper cap was also going to be part of my my point as well that uh tim beat me to the

[2:57:27] Voice 16: punch um yeah i mean my my wonder i guess is that it seems to me like the the most effective way to

[2:57:36] Voice 16: sort of rework this is and i think there should be a trustee working with david marler um i i think

[2:57:44] Voice 16: there's probably potential for someone to to undertake this while we're still over the course

[2:57:48] Voice 16: of this this period hopefully we'll see i don't know if that's a possibility but i i would possibly

[2:57:54] Voice 16: posit that if there's a trustee that seems particularly um invested in this committee

[2:58:01] Voice 16: and also who is good with uh legislative language and systems-based language maybe they could be

[2:58:09] Voice 16: someone who steps forward to have this conversation with david marler come up with a with a draft of a

[2:58:14] Voice 16: a more acceptable set of terms.

[2:58:17] Voice 16: I think David already said that the terms of reference

[2:58:22] Voice 16: can be revised by the accessibility committee

[2:58:25] Voice 16: once it's in place too.

[2:58:27] Voice 16: So we don't have to nail it on the first shot,

[2:58:29] Voice 16: but I think getting this particular point

[2:58:32] Voice 16: is a really good thing to get right now.

[2:58:35] Voice 16: So it seems to me like if we had a trustee

[2:58:37] Voice 16: who wanted to step forward and just run through those

[2:58:41] Voice 16: and sort of nitpick the language around it,

[2:58:44] Voice 16: that might be a more effective way

[2:58:46] Voice 16: than us pulling it apart as a group.

[2:58:49] Trustee Luckham: Deb Morrison.

[2:58:51] Voice 31: May I put a motion on the table?

[2:58:53] Trustee Luckham: You may.

[2:58:54] Voice 31: I move that the Trust Council request

[2:58:56] Voice 31: interested trustees to work with

[2:58:59] Voice 31: Director of Legislative Services

[2:59:01] Voice 31: to provide input and revision to the draft,

[2:59:04] Voice 31: Accessibility Committee terms of reference,

[2:59:05] Voice 31: and bring it back to the June Trust Council.

[2:59:08] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[2:59:09] Trustee Luckham: Did you submit that before?

[2:59:11] Trustee Luckham: Seconded.

[2:59:12] Trustee Luckham: you submit that to Lori? So Lori, let's get that up on the screen so that trustees know what they're

[2:59:21] Voice 25: seconding. I didn't hear the motion.

[2:59:35] Trustee Luckham: Deb, maybe if you have that written down, can you repeat the

[2:59:39] Trustee Luckham: motion slowly and then we'll get there. Email is broken. Microphone.

[2:59:53] Voice 31: All right. So I love technology

[2:59:57] Voice 31: when it doesn't work, I move.

[3:00:00] Voice 31: Are you with me, Laurie?

[3:00:01] Voice 31: I move that the Trust Council request interested trustees to

[3:00:10] Voice 25: work with Director of Legislative Services to provide input and revision to the Draft Accessibility Committee Terms of Reference and bring it

[3:00:31] Voice 31: back to the June Trust Council.

[3:00:34] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[3:00:35] Trustee Luckham: Everybody clear on the motion?

[3:00:37] Trustee Luckham: So moved.

[3:00:38] Trustee Luckham: Do I have a seconder?

[3:00:39] Trustee Luckham: um i'm going to go with aaron campbell and so do we need to have any further discussion

[3:00:47] Trustee Luckham: and david are you clear on the direction that is satisfactory right i'm

[3:00:51] Trustee Luckham: going to call the vote all

[3:00:52] Trustee Luckham: those in favor

[3:00:53] Voice 25: and online with david graham aye okay thank you and so any opposed

[3:01:06] Trustee Luckham: none opposed

[3:01:09] Trustee Luckham: and so that carries again unanimously thank you council for your third you know

[3:01:19] Voice 10: Thank you Mr. Chair. I just had a quick comment maybe we can get some feedback

[3:01:24] Voice 10: and maybe you know I have a different way of thinking I don't know but I'm kind of questioning

[3:01:32] Voice 10: why we're lumping Indigenous with people with disabilities for this committee.

[3:01:41] Voice 10: Somehow this sits a bit strange with me and I

[3:01:44] Trustee Luckham: think that's in the legislation. Is it? Yeah.

[3:01:46] Trustee Luckham: but

[3:01:48] Voice 10: it uh it still seems uh you're right maybe there could be some conversation about that i

[3:01:55] Voice 10: don't know it's just yeah seems i

[3:01:57] Trustee Luckham: don't know that we necessarily want to dwell on the legislative

[3:02:00] Trustee Luckham: details because we don't have the ability to change it uh uh judith getty

[3:02:05] Voice 33: my understanding

[3:02:06] Voice 33: was that the um impetus for this was the equality um inclusion and diversity work that had been done

[3:02:13] Voice 33: and across a number of organizations so it was um you know all sorts of full range not just

[3:02:20] Voice 33: disabilities so that um it's come out um the way the legislature there's lots of problems with the

[3:02:27] Voice 33: legislation in the way that it's worded but um we'll work it out okay

[3:02:33] Trustee Luckham: anything else on this

[3:02:34] Trustee Luckham: business item david marler yeah

[3:02:37] Voice 24: i just want to just clarify how i'm going to uh go ahead with

[3:02:41] Voice 24: that resolution so one option is i could email all trustees and ask those interested to get back to

[3:02:49] Voice 24: me um hopefully it's less than a quorum and then i'd set up a zoom meeting with them to have a

[3:02:55] Voice 24: discussion around what we just talked about and then through that maybe consensus come back with

[3:03:00] Voice 24: some recommendations unless uh trustee morrison had some other thoughts or somebody else another

[3:03:05] Voice 24: another approach that

[3:03:07] Trustee Luckham: sounds like a reasonable approach any objection to that approach all right

[3:03:13] Trustee Luckham: so that's good you've got your work set for you all right i'm going to move on to item 4.26

[3:03:19] Trustee Luckham: that's okay page 87 of your agenda uh and indeed this is the financial planning committee membership

[3:03:27] Trustee Luckham: and i think i'm going to turn to uh uh well who am i gonna let me just double check here

[3:03:33] Trustee Luckham: 80, 60, sorry, 87.

[3:03:37] Trustee Luckham: I get caught up.

[3:03:38] Trustee Luckham: Oh, no, David Mahler, Director of Legislative Services,

[3:03:41] Trustee Luckham: and perhaps I'll have the FPC Chair chime in on what she's thinking about this.

[3:03:46] Trustee Luckham: Go ahead, David.

[3:03:47] Voice 24: Yeah, so this is the one where the Financial Planning Committee has asked staff

[3:03:51] Voice 24: to investigate the general policy with respect to the Council Standing Committees.

[3:03:57] Voice 24: So this is the general way that Council Standing Committees are being appointed.

[3:04:02] Voice 24: So, as you know, when the governance committee was created by the last trust council, it was created as an election of trustees, whereas the approach for the other standing committees is appointment by the chair and ratification by the trust council.

[3:04:22] Voice 24: Council. So this report, I don't have a good suggestion as to a better approach because

[3:04:31] Voice 24: I don't really, I think it's more political, really, how you appoint your council committees.

[3:04:38] Voice 24: But I did just provide a little bit of background as to why it is the way it is. I went back

[3:04:43] Voice 24: to 1993 in the Trust Council minutes, and a very similar discussion was had then about

[3:04:50] Voice 24: about how to appoint and there was a question about why are all the executive committee

[3:04:54] Voice 24: members on the financial planning committee and the response was that they're the chairs

[3:04:58] Voice 24: of the local trust committee so it makes sense that everybody every trust council body is

[3:05:05] Voice 24: represented on the financial planning committee so that's the way it's been for the last what

[3:05:12] Voice 24: 30 years i think it's really a political decision so the recommendation here is that yes the

[3:05:19] Voice 24: the Governance Committee to review and maybe consider recommendations as to how you would

[3:05:26] Voice 24: like to appoint your committees, all of them, not just FPC, but all the committees. I think

[3:05:33] Voice 24: it's probably a good opportunity to review that. So back to the chair. Thank you.

[3:05:37] Voice 24: Okay. Thank you.

[3:05:39] Trustee Luckham: And I know that there are also a couple of alternative suggestions at the end of

[3:05:43] Trustee Luckham: the report there, but I think this started with Financial Planning Committee. So I'll just go to

[3:05:48] Trustee Luckham: to Joe Bernardo, Chair of FPC, if you have any remarks,

[3:05:52] Trustee Luckham: and then I'll go to whomever else wishes to speak to this.

[3:05:58] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:06:01] Voice 27: My recollection is, and I stand to be correct

[3:06:05] Voice 27: if I'm wrong about it, my recollection is that the origin

[3:06:08] Voice 27: of this was really a discussion and then a question about,

[3:06:14] Voice 27: as was mentioned, you know,

[3:06:16] Voice 27: why is the executive committee just sitting on this thing?

[3:06:20] Voice 27: on the whole on the whole uh committee and the discussion if i'm recalling it right was

[3:06:27] Voice 27: exploring the possibility that the fpc given its role might be better suited to be just

[3:06:31] Voice 27: similar to the governance committee everybody being elected and i i take the point that

[3:06:37] Voice 27: you know that's a big question and maybe it should um you know we should rope in the larger question

[3:06:42] Voice 27: about the makeup of all committees uh well i'm gonna leave that to other minds i mean where

[3:06:48] Voice 27: where we're at at financial planning committee,

[3:06:50] Voice 27: this is originated with us really.

[3:06:53] Voice 27: So I'm just going to stick my remarks, restrain my remarks to that.

[3:06:58] Voice 27: The point that the local trust committee or the gets represented in the

[3:07:03] Voice 27: FPC via the executive committee,

[3:07:07] Voice 27: that's both true and not because let's face it,

[3:07:12] Voice 27: that's like a technical win in the sense that every chair of the LTC comes

[3:07:17] Voice 27: off the executive committee.

[3:07:19] Voice 27: So it's not as if you're actually getting representatives from those different LTCs that are on the Financial Planning Committee.

[3:07:27] Voice 27: The other issue is that the proposed resolution here in this request for decision, it's really the motion is actually structured in a way that determines the outcome of what the governance committee's inquiry is going to be.

[3:07:46] Voice 27: because it's got the original discussion FPC was really along the lines of ask governance

[3:07:53] Voice 27: committee to review the current method of appointment and makeup of the membership for the

[3:07:56] Voice 27: FPC this other bit to ensure the committee represents all 16 bodies of trust council

[3:08:03] Voice 27: uh I don't recall that being part of the discussion and to some extent it raises a question which is

[3:08:10] Voice 27: uh where that idea comes from is really a 30 year old policy you know way back in the 90s

[3:08:18] Voice 27: there was this conception that it seems to have been a conception that there's these different

[3:08:23] Voice 27: constituencies within the islands trust they're represented by these different committees and

[3:08:28] Voice 27: they should all get a voice in how the fpc operates so everybody's got a seat at the table

[3:08:34] Voice 27: but that's really got to do with how we do planning it's a substitute for the fact that

[3:08:41] Voice 27: we actually don't have a corporate planning process meanwhile you know as we speak the

[3:08:48] Voice 27: the Governance Committee and the FPC are working with staff, as the CEO had mentioned before,

[3:08:53] Voice 27: to attempt to develop a corporate planning process. That would be, if we can pull that off,

[3:09:00] Voice 27: if successful, that will change how FPC does its work in a dramatic way. The way products get

[3:09:09] Voice 27: approved and funded is going to be a much more deliberate and long-term planning approach to it.

[3:09:15] Voice 27: So the old idea that you needed to have everybody at the table to hash things out so people could protect their prerogatives goes by the board.

[3:09:27] Voice 27: So I would think this is an inquiry that's worth making, and I certainly think it's appropriate for the Governance Committee to do it.

[3:09:35] Voice 27: But I'd prefer to have that to ensure language deleted and just leave it open to the Governance Committee, just review how the FPC is put

[3:09:43] Voice 25: together and just leave it at that.

[3:09:45] Voice 25: thank you what direction do we want to take here does the

[3:09:57] Trustee Luckham: chair of the governor's commission

[3:09:58] Trustee Luckham: wish to speak to this the

[3:10:02] Voice 33: last meeting of the governance committee we talked about all of the

[3:10:04] Voice 33: recommendations that were in the governance review document and we prioritized those 15 or 16

[3:10:11] Voice 33: recommendations this might fit in some of those in terms of we had a very broad category of committees

[3:10:20] Voice 33: with clear mandates, size and numbers

[3:10:22] Voice 33: and champion proposals to trust council

[3:10:24] Voice 33: as the wording that was used in the review.

[3:10:28] Voice 33: So it's not the makeup, but it could fit.

[3:10:31] Voice 33: But I have to tell people that in terms of the work

[3:10:34] Voice 33: that we wanted to get right into,

[3:10:35] Voice 33: this is important, but not immediate.

[3:10:39] Voice 33: So it would be, you know,

[3:10:42] Voice 33: I'd certainly like to golf it back

[3:10:44] Voice 33: to the financial planning committee and say,

[3:10:48] Voice 33: you know, what did you have in mind really?

[3:10:50] Voice 33: Is it just that committee? Is it all the committees? And, you know,

[3:10:56] Voice 25: so some,

[3:11:03] Voice 33: some more clarity in terms of what it is we're trying to work on, you know, if it's just the financial planning committee, then it would be nice to have more help from the financial planning committee in terms of what did you have in mind?

[3:11:19] Voice 33: And if it's a broader, you know, why is it trust council or why is it, you know, whatever the other questions were, then we can try and figure out where that fits with our work plan.

[3:11:35] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:11:36] Trustee Luckham: Going to create a speaker.

[3:11:37] Trustee Luckham: I see Deb Morrison.

[3:11:39] Trustee Luckham: May we go on?

[3:11:41] Voice 31: Thank you for that.

[3:11:43] Voice 31: It's helpful clarification.

[3:11:44] Voice 31: clarification. So I guess my preference would be that I think there is a broader issue than just

[3:11:49] Voice 31: financial planning committee in terms of committee appointments and structures and

[3:11:53] Voice 31: transparency around that. And so, and I understand that for this term where it's pretty much a done

[3:11:58] Voice 31: deal. So I think it would be helpful to just have the governance committee consider it in a paced

[3:12:03] Voice 31: like work plan with whatever else they're considering.

[3:12:08] Trustee Luckham: May I read? And then Christina

[3:12:10] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:12:11] Voice 32: agree with Deb. There's no particular need to rush this so long as it's not forgotten about.

[3:12:20] Voice 32: And I think if we do get a better corporate planning process up and running, maybe it'll become obvious what the solution should be.

[3:12:28] Voice 32: But I echo what Joe said, which is we shouldn't really limit it to a 30 year old concept that, you know,

[3:12:37] Voice 32: Unless you have your representative in that smoke-filled room,

[3:12:41] Voice 32: you will lose your whatever it is.

[3:12:45] Voice 32: That isn't an appropriate model right now, I think.

[3:12:50] Voice 32: So, yeah, I'm happy with being on the Governance Committee,

[3:12:55] Voice 32: but it's not urgent.

[3:12:57] Voice 32: And I take issue with just that last piece of the motion.

[3:13:02] Voice 32: Thank you.

[3:13:05] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Evans?

[3:13:06] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:13:07] Voice 3: I just wanted to make a reminder that we passed a resolution at the prior meeting that the financial planning committee makeup is interim subject to review.

[3:13:19] Voice 3: So it's not a done deal for this term. It's it's still interim. Thank you.

[3:13:25] Trustee Luckham: OK, so where are we at, counsel?

[3:13:30] Trustee Luckham: Are we satisfied to forward this as essentially as recommended the motion to the governance committee and then they have received the message that this will all happen in due course?

[3:13:41] Trustee Luckham: tim peterson uh

[3:13:44] Voice 8: you have a suggestion based on on what i'm hearing in the room which would be to

[3:13:49] Voice 8: slightly alter this uh resolution as written um and basically just uh refer the makeup and

[3:13:57] Voice 8: appointment of trust council committees to the governance committee so

[3:14:02] Trustee Luckham: can you make that motion

[3:14:03] Trustee Luckham: i will be happy

[3:14:04] Voice 8: to i move that trust council ask the governance committee to review the current

[3:14:09] Voice 8: the current method of appointment and the makeup

[3:14:11] Voice 8: of membership for trust council committees.

[3:14:16] Voice 25: Okay, do I have a seconder for that?

[3:14:21] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Getty, do you wish to speak to the motion further?

[3:14:27] Voice 8: I think, I feel like it just addresses

[3:14:31] Voice 8: what I've been hearing in the room

[3:14:32] Voice 8: and it leaves things a little bit more open

[3:14:34] Voice 8: for recommendations from the governance committee.

[3:14:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay, now other speakers, I saw a hand up over here

[3:14:40] Trustee Luckham: any speakers trustee Evans sorry

[3:14:45] Voice 3: just a quick clarification so this is the recommendation

[3:14:48] Voice 3: that you just made was for all committees not just the financial planning committee

[3:14:53] Voice 3: all

[3:14:55] Voice 8: committees of trust council any

[3:14:58] Trustee Luckham: further discussion did I get a second yeah I did it

[3:15:02] Trustee Luckham: was seconded uh trustee Elliott

[3:15:05] Voice 19: so just for clarity as um executive committee is a

[3:15:11] Voice 19: legislated committee so that's not included and so these are standing and select committees okay

[3:15:15] Voice 19: all

[3:15:16] Trustee Luckham: right any further discussion deb morrison so

[3:15:20] Voice 31: i i'm not sure that the conversation like that

[3:15:24] Voice 31: the motion takes it uh fully takes a grip on the conversation because to me it sounded like

[3:15:30] Voice 31: there was and i forgot about the motion last term i was probably made by me too our last meeting

[3:15:36] Voice 31: about that the financial planning committee is an interim issue so from that perspective i think we

[3:15:43] Voice 31: can just like ask informally the the governance committee to consider that committee particularly

[3:15:51] Voice 31: i don't know that we need a motion because they have their work plan and they'll work it out but

[3:15:55] Voice 31: we can you know we're all in the room together so i'm okay for this motion but i would ask that

[3:16:00] Voice 31: you take into account that the financial planning committee had a prior motion also that like asked

[3:16:04] Voice 31: it specifically to be done yeah

[3:16:08] Trustee Luckham: and i'm looking at david muller because i think given the motions

[3:16:12] Trustee Luckham: that we've seen already advanced and this there will be a further appointment to the financial

[3:16:18] Trustee Luckham: planning committee at this point yeah that's correct yeah so there's a window of opportunity

[3:16:23] Trustee Luckham: to consider that i think so is there any further discussion um jenny does a

[3:16:30] Voice 29: correction the seconder

[3:16:31] Voice 29: was was uh oh

[3:16:33] Trustee Luckham: so the seconder sorry yeah was trustee getty thank you for that good catch

[3:16:38] Trustee Luckham: anything else i'm

[3:16:41] Voice 25: going to call the vote all those in favor and online and you can lower

[3:16:49] Voice 25: he's in favor anybody opposed none

[3:16:53] Trustee Luckham: opposed excellent thank you again everybody a great

[3:16:57] Trustee Luckham: conversation and um good luck to the governance committee and that's meant in a kind way

[3:17:07] Trustee Luckham: all right so let's uh take a collective breath here of having successfully advanced the number

[3:17:13] Trustee Luckham: of motions and uh move to item 4.2.7 this if i'm not mistaken is the second time that we've seen

[3:17:21] Trustee Luckham: this um and it you know it came to the allen's trust in a difficult time uh post-election um

[3:17:29] Trustee Luckham: well no actually it's prior election but anyway nonetheless um it's here before us um as we've

[3:17:35] Trustee Luckham: We've not turned our minds to it to take any further action associated with it, whether or not there's a further reply.

[3:17:41] Trustee Luckham: I could say quite confidently that as when and if the executive committee has a future opportunity to speak to the minister,

[3:17:49] Trustee Luckham: we will be certainly advising and updating the minister of the work of the governance committee.

[3:17:55] Trustee Luckham: And naturally, a new budget will be looking for approval from the minister for the new budget.

[3:18:00] Trustee Luckham: and so there'll be an opportunity to update on all concerns um with the trust council so

[3:18:07] Trustee Luckham: is there any specific direction that anybody would like to take with respect to this document

[3:18:13] Trustee Luckham: may read boland i'll

[3:18:19] Voice 32: get the hang of it eventually i i feel that we should respond collectively

[3:18:24] Voice 32: you know specifically it shouldn't be left tiny in the air

[3:18:28] Voice 32: as you know the minister wrote and we

[3:18:31] Voice 32: We just did nothing other than, you know, briefings on occasion.

[3:18:37] Voice 32: So in my view, we should respond and say, thank you very much.

[3:18:42] Voice 32: We still feel that this could be necessary.

[3:18:45] Voice 32: But, you know, given that there's a new term, new trustees, perhaps we will continue on with the work of the governance review recommendations.

[3:18:56] Voice 32: recommendations but we will review the situation and hopefully give you an update in September or

[3:19:05] Voice 32: December. So words to the effect that okay point taken but we still will revisit this and give you

[3:19:14] Voice 32: an update within six months or nine months. Thank you.

[3:19:19] Trustee Luckham: Okay thank you. Anybody else? Aaron Cameron.

[3:19:22] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:19:23] Voice 16: was just wondering if because there's a new minister, if you wouldn't send something like this back to them.

[3:19:32] Trustee Luckham: I have had one conversation, one and a half conversations, maybe with the new minister who's orientating herself to 169 other local governments at this time.

[3:19:44] Trustee Luckham: And certainly that door is open. And I certainly expect to take full advantage of that opportunity when it arises.

[3:19:53] Trustee Luckham: and that may be UBCM coming up in September

[3:19:56] Trustee Luckham: where we could have a sit down conversation

[3:19:58] Trustee Luckham: with the minister, maybe.

[3:20:03] Trustee Luckham: David Graham and then Laura Patrick.

[3:20:07] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair.

[3:20:09] Voice 11: Just to following up on Trustee Boland's suggestion,

[3:20:12] Voice 11: referencing the fact that prior to the Governance Committee,

[3:20:16] Voice 11: Trust Council has repeatedly realized

[3:20:19] Voice 11: that the contribution from the province

[3:20:21] Voice 11: was far less than what it should

[3:20:23] Voice 11: considering the high-level work that the Trust has always been engaged in,

[3:20:28] Voice 11: now adding First Nations reconciliation, climate change, and affordable housing.

[3:20:37] Voice 25: Agreed completely, David. Thank you.

[3:20:41] Voice 25: Laura Patrick.

[3:20:44] Voice 25: I just

[3:20:44] Trustee Patrick: wanted to return to the original questions that were behind,

[3:20:48] Trustee Patrick: or what we had said last June when Trust Council had passed this,

[3:20:52] Trustee Patrick: was we did recognize that we've done the governance report

[3:20:55] Trustee Patrick: and have committed that we're going to continue to work on our internal issues so if we we were

[3:21:01] Trustee Patrick: not saying that that was the solve all the questions here were bigger that we're coming

[3:21:07] Trustee Patrick: up to our 50th anniversary of this organization 50 years and that this is an opportunity for the

[3:21:14] Trustee Patrick: province to check back in did it work we've got some issues we know with the geographic boundaries

[3:21:21] Trustee Patrick: we're all suffering with where does why do i have water you know more than 300 meters when

[3:21:26] Trustee Patrick: most municipalities do what is our responsibilities we don't have the resources uh to do over the

[3:21:35] Trustee Patrick: water so this this that's what this question was about was the bigger issues and inviting the

[3:21:41] Trustee Patrick: province to basically come in at this 50-year anniversary and make sure we are on the right

[3:21:47] Trustee Patrick: course and make sure we have the money we need to do what we've

[3:21:52] Voice 25: been asked to do agreed also um

[3:22:00] Trustee Luckham: jim joe excuse me

[3:22:03] Voice 27: jim is elsewhere the uh

[3:22:09] Voice 27: this is more of a question uh what i'm hearing and i stand to be corrected but is

[3:22:17] Voice 27: There is an emerging sense that this should be used as an occasion to call on the government to pony up more dough and that we should say, look, we do have we're working on the governance stuff, we're working on the management stuff.

[3:22:32] Voice 27: We can tell you there's a really big issue with management, which is we need better funding.

[3:22:38] Voice 27: And, you know, that type of letter, if it's written in the general, will get ignored.

[3:22:44] Voice 27: but if we're able to have a very specific proposal

[3:22:48] Voice 27: in terms of what numbers should change

[3:22:51] Voice 27: and where the mechanism is that we're looking

[3:22:55] Voice 27: the specific funding process that we're looking to amend,

[3:23:01] Voice 27: that might be, you know,

[3:23:03] Voice 27: that's certainly something I could support,

[3:23:05] Voice 27: but I'm not sure that's what's actually being asked,

[3:23:07] Voice 27: but that's what I thought I heard.

[3:23:09] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:23:10] Trustee Luckham: Toby Elliott.

[3:23:13] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair.

[3:23:14] Voice 19: I think I did bring this up at EC, and we suggested that our next EC meeting, we do exactly that.

[3:23:24] Voice 19: And so I had crafted a motion at the time that, and maybe I could just present it to Trust Council and ask,

[3:23:32] Voice 19: Can we, can Trust Council direct EC to work with staff on a coordinated strategy to prepare a request that the province revise the provincial grant funding formula for the Islands Trust in light of its special mandate and the pressing needs of a strategic approach to housing, climate change and reconciliation?

[3:23:55] Voice 19: That sort of was my idea at EC, and so if you support that, we could move it forward.

[3:24:06] Trustee Luckham: So Trustee Elliott, is that a motion?

[3:24:09] Voice 19: That was a motion.

[3:24:10] Voice 19: I could repeat it.

[3:24:13] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:24:14] Voice 19: So

[3:24:15] Trustee Luckham: I have a seconder from Trustee Yates.

[3:24:17] Voice 19: I do have a seconder here.

[3:24:19] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:24:19] Voice 19: That's trust counsel.

[3:24:21] Voice 19: Direct.

[3:24:22] Voice 19: it might just be easier if you executive committee to work with staff on a coordinated

[3:24:29] Voice 19: strategy and prepare a request that the province revise or revisit i'm not sure which the provincial

[3:24:45] Voice 19: grant funding formula to the islands trust in light of its special mandate well we're so special

[3:24:54] Voice 19: in light of its mandate or just and the mandate in light of the pressing needs

[3:25:03] Voice 19: of affordable housing climate change and reconciliation in the islands trust area

[3:25:10] Voice 19: all

[3:25:13] Trustee Luckham: right sure let's just i think that motion was different than the original

[3:25:18] Trustee Luckham: let's get it up on the screen so we're clear and while that's happening um let's go to questions

[3:25:24] Trustee Luckham: of clarity and uh may read boland oh

[3:25:33] Voice 32: okay sorry okay so um i just think that we were talking about

[3:25:40] Voice 32: this specific request which was to the minister for a review and a response to the minister

[3:25:47] Voice 32: because he wrote to us made some suggestions so i think we should deal with that first i think

[3:25:55] Voice 32: the question of asking for funding and other things is a separate issue which should come

[3:26:01] Voice 32: after this thank you and i'm prepared to make a motion oh

[3:26:07] Trustee Luckham: that's great um i'm going to take that

[3:26:09] Trustee Luckham: as a point of order and we'll come back to toby elliott's motion and uh so on 4.2.6 this letter

[3:26:18] Trustee Luckham: um what motion would you like to advance mary boland

[3:26:22] Voice 32: um i might need some help with wording but

[3:26:25] Voice 32: But I move that we respond to the minister's letter to the effect that we will revisit this request at September Trust Council

[3:26:35] Voice 32: and provide an update on the request that we made to him in the letter of June 2022.

[3:26:47] Voice 32: If anybody wants to improve that, I'm happy to take friendly amendments, but that's the basis of the proposal.

[3:26:56] Voice 32: Okay,

[3:26:57] Trustee Luckham: so let's wait for that to come up on the screen.

[3:26:59] Trustee Luckham: CAO Hudson-Pillard, did you have some remark with respect to responding to the letter at this time?

[3:27:06] Trustee Luckham: No.

[3:27:08] Voice 25: Oh, sorry.

[3:27:13] Voice 9: I just wonder whether at some point does Trust Council want any advice around these matters and have it offered if it's requested?

[3:27:27] Trustee Luckham: Well, CAO, I would love some advice because this is a complex topic.

[3:27:31] Trustee Luckham: And I'll just chime in here, no matter how it is that we frame this and whether it's a point of order or not, if we go to the minister with a request, it needs to be thoughtful in order for it to be successful.

[3:27:46] Trustee Luckham: Because if we fail on the first ask because we asked the wrong question, we might not get a second chance.

[3:27:55] Trustee Luckham: That's just my point of view.

[3:27:56] Trustee Luckham: But CAO, do you have some advice on how we might approach this critical question at the

[3:28:03] Trustee Luckham: Island's Trust?

[3:28:04] Voice 31: Point of order.

[3:28:06] Trustee Luckham: Funding.

[3:28:08] Trustee Luckham: Go ahead.

[3:28:09] Trustee Luckham: Point of order.

[3:28:10] Voice 31: There's a motion on the table that was for clarification and that we needed to, like

[3:28:15] Voice 31: a trustee made a motion and she was asking for clarification on that.

[3:28:20] Voice 31: So to me, it's the trustee is in charge of the motion to be set, isn't it?

[3:28:28] Trustee Luckham: So there's a motion.

[3:28:30] Trustee Luckham: is moved i don't believe it was seconded at this point um okay um i asked for the motion to be up

[3:28:37] Trustee Luckham: on the screen um i'm gonna go back to the mover of the motion to ask whether or not we want to seek

[3:28:44] Trustee Luckham: some staff advice on this or just advance through this and director mauler i see you up as our

[3:28:52] Trustee Luckham: legislative services manager do you have some advice yeah

[3:29:00] Voice 24: i just wanted to let you know we

[3:29:01] Voice 24: We don't have the motion here.

[3:29:02] Voice 24: It's too fast and we don't have it in writing.

[3:29:05] Voice 24: So we'll have to get that first before we can pray that thing.

[3:29:07] Voice 24: Okay, so let's

[3:29:09] Trustee Luckham: get that motion again, May Reid.

[3:29:13] Trustee Luckham: I'm sorry that the internet is not working

[3:29:14] Trustee Luckham: and that we're not able to email motions.

[3:29:18] Trustee Luckham: Certainly that has been critical in advancing our work.

[3:29:21] Trustee Luckham: But May Reid, can you?

[3:29:26] Voice 32: I move that we respond to the Minister,

[3:29:30] Voice 32: to the effect that we will revisit the request

[3:29:33] Voice 32: for a review at September Trust Council

[3:29:38] Voice 32: and provide the minister with an update.

[3:29:42] Voice 25: All right, let's get that up on the screen.

[3:30:09] Voice 25: Just a moment, we're going to get it up on the screen.

[3:30:11] Voice 25: We're not going to rush through these things.

[3:30:15] Trustee Luckham: Right, there is a motion.

[3:30:18] Trustee Luckham: If we're satisfied with that, Janine Dodds,

[3:30:20] Trustee Luckham: I think you said you were seconding the motion earlier.

[3:30:23] Voice 32: No, hang on.

[3:30:26] Voice 32: Just that we respond to the minister to the effect

[3:30:30] Voice 32: that we will revisit the request for a review,

[3:30:36] Voice 32: a governance review at September Trust Council

[3:30:43] Voice 32: and provide the minister with an update.

[3:31:01] Voice 25: Yeah,

[3:31:02] Voice 32: we could actually put in per the letter,

[3:31:05] Voice 32: which was sent on whatever date it was.

[3:31:09] Voice 32: I can't remember now.

[3:31:11] Voice 32: Does anybody know the date?

[3:31:13] Voice 32: I

[3:31:14] Trustee Luckham: don't think we need to go into the micro level of detail.

[3:31:17] Trustee Luckham: we'll write the letter appropriately.

[3:31:20] Voice 32: Okay, and provide the, I think,

[3:31:25] Voice 32: provide with an update, full stop.

[3:31:32] Trustee Luckham: And provide the minister with an update.

[3:31:34] Voice 32: Yeah.

[3:31:35] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, thank you.

[3:31:38] Voice 32: Yeah, trust council.

[3:31:39] Trustee Luckham: So I'm gonna stick with the mover at the moment, okay?

[3:31:42] Trustee Luckham: Lots of hands up.

[3:31:44] Trustee Luckham: May read, is that your motion?

[3:31:46] Voice 32: Yeah.

[3:31:47] Trustee Luckham: Do I have a seconder, Janine Dodds?

[3:31:49] Voice 32: Can I just read it just for a second?

[3:31:50] Voice 32: and just and trust council will provide the minister with an update yeah well he's wondering

[3:32:04] Voice 18: what

[3:32:04] Voice 32: do you want if

[3:32:05] Voice 18: the word we that we respond whether that should be oh

[3:32:09] Voice 32: i see yeah the trust

[3:32:10] Voice 32: council okay that's fine yeah

[3:32:12] Voice 25: yeah okay sure it was

[3:32:26] Trustee Patrick: a review of the islands trust's mandate

[3:32:28] Trustee Patrick: governance and structure not just a governance review so i'll a review of the islands trust

[3:32:35] Trustee Patrick: Island Trust

[3:32:35] Voice 25: mandate, governance, and structure.

[3:32:47] Voice 25: So there's a word missing in there somewhere.

[3:32:49] Trustee Luckham: Governance review mandate?

[3:32:51] Voice 25: No.

[3:32:52] Trustee Luckham: Og?

[3:32:53] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[3:32:59] Voice 27: Isn't it supposed to read for the Island Trust?

[3:33:02] Trustee Luckham: You know, can

[3:33:03] Trustee Luckham: we just hold on here a second?

[3:33:04] Trustee Luckham: There's way too many people talking at once.

[3:33:06] Trustee Luckham: And, Christina, I'm going to ask you to sit down and let staff manage it.

[3:33:12] Trustee Luckham: And the mover, it just gets to be a mess.

[3:33:16] Trustee Luckham: There's too many people talking at once.

[3:33:19] Voice 32: This is looking good.

[3:33:19] Voice 32: And I apologize.

[3:33:21] Voice 32: I've contributed to the confusion by not being as well prepared as I should be.

[3:33:26] Voice 32: The Trust Council responds to the Minister to the effect that Trust Council will revisit the request for a review of the Islands Trust mandate governance and structure, comma, at September Trust Council and provide the Minister with an update.

[3:33:46] Trustee Luckham: So there was review added in there.

[3:33:49] Voice 32: In front of the Islands Trust, just put in a review of the, yeah, that's good enough.

[3:33:58] Trustee Luckham: The Islands Trust mandate?

[3:34:01] Voice 32: Governance and structure. I think a comma after structure.

[3:34:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Are we done with this motion?

[3:34:14] Voice 32: Unless anybody else has a suggestion, I'm happy with it as it is.

[3:34:22] Voice 25: why don't we strike

[3:34:24] Trustee Luckham: a committee and have a motion written that'd be a good idea

[3:34:26] Trustee Luckham: um okay let's show people of hands and want to contribute to this but quite honestly

[3:34:33] Trustee Luckham: motions by committee are not a good thing to be advanced you either can endorse it or not

[3:34:38] Trustee Luckham: so i'm going to start on my left here because i saw trustee allen up before so i got alan

[3:34:44] Trustee Luckham: dodds falk who else down there deb morrison no

[3:34:51] Trustee Luckham: and and and judith getty on the right hand side sorry judith okay

[3:34:57] Voice 14: i don't think i'm micromanaging

[3:34:58] Voice 14: here but can we have a name to that minister minister nathan colin kellen perhaps or no it's

[3:35:03] Trustee Luckham: not nathan colin

[3:35:03] Voice 14: all right well can we have a name for this minister it could be any minister

[3:35:12] Voice 25: janine dogs i

[3:35:14] Voice 29: just want to say this conversation started with like there has been no formal

[3:35:19] Voice 29: response to the letter we received back from the previous minister and that it seems pertinent

[3:35:25] Voice 29: that we should send a letter that says you know thank you for your letter but we still have

[3:35:30] Voice 29: concerns i mean i would have maybe worded it more you know we're a new new trust committee i don't

[3:35:35] Voice 29: think it has anything to do with the funding i think they're two totally separate motions

[3:35:39] Voice 29: i think

[3:35:40] Voice 29: it's appropriate and i seconded the motion because we do need at this point to at

[3:35:44] Voice 29: least say we're still here we still have concerns uh

[3:35:51] Trustee Luckham: trustee falk um

[3:35:53] Voice 6: thank you um i'm not sure maybe

[3:35:57] Voice 6: maybe i'm reading this differently than than what i've heard discussed so far but

[3:36:03] Voice 6: and there's a complication of or the additional fact that we have a new minister so the minister

[3:36:09] Voice 6: that we're responding to is not the minister that wrote this to us so there may be uh

[3:36:15] Voice 6: opportunity for confusion or misunderstanding but the way i read this letter was as we told them

[3:36:25] Voice 6: you know we we gave an ask basically right we sort of asked and they said okay well you got the

[3:36:35] Voice 6: you got the governance report and uh or review the management review and why don't you do what

[3:36:44] Voice 6: you can do and come back to us and like tell us that you've done something yourself it to me it

[3:36:49] Voice 6: reads like a rebuke to me it reads like we're told okay complaining is great but what are you

[3:36:56] Voice 6: you're going to do let us know what you're going to do what responsibility you're taking

[3:37:02] Voice 6: and then maybe we'll talk to you some more that's how i read this letter and this motion isn't quite

[3:37:09] Voice 6: what i would do to respond to that you know so anyway yeah okay

[3:37:16] Trustee Luckham: thank you uh judith

[3:37:18] Voice 33: um one of the things that the governance committee decided that they wanted to do was to work

[3:37:26] Voice 33: urgent and high priority was to go through section three of the islands trust mandate

[3:37:31] Voice 33: and um so we've since the minister wrote that letter um the you've had an invitation and you've

[3:37:40] Voice 33: met with the new minister and they know that we exist and they know that we're working on a

[3:37:45] Voice 33: governance committee in the government so i think this if we want to say thank you very much for the

[3:37:49] Voice 33: letter and we still exist and we're interested and we're doing our homework that's one thing but this

[3:37:54] Voice 33: This is, I'm not sure that we're going to be able to talk about the Islands Trust mandate

[3:38:00] Voice 33: and come to any decisions by September.

[3:38:03] Voice 33: So I'm not sure that this is the letter that I was appropriate.

[3:38:09] Voice 25: Okay, thank you.

[3:38:16] Voice 25: Sue Ellen Fast.

[3:38:18] Voice 18: Thank you.

[3:38:18] Voice 18: I would be voting against this motion because I think we've heard already this morning or

[3:38:24] Voice 18: or today, about work that's underway already to address the governance review report.

[3:38:34] Voice 18: And I would sooner wait until we had some specific suggestions, for example, around the corporate planning idea or around any restructuring of committees or anything,

[3:38:46] Voice 18: thing um but some significant um serious suggestions that we thought through uh with

[3:38:56] Voice 18: the input of staff which i know we haven't asked for here and uh so i'll be voting against this

[3:39:02] Voice 18: and i would like to ask whether staff have any advice for us all

[3:39:09] Voice 25: right thank you staff do you

[3:39:11] Voice 25: any advice so

[3:39:14] Trustee Luckham: well and fast would like to hear um

[3:39:18] Voice 9: so much advice mr chairman yeah

[3:39:21] Voice 25: um

[3:39:24] Voice 9: i think you should my advice is that you should have a conversation for a day

[3:39:29] Voice 9: amongst yourselves around at the import of these three things the budgetary ask

[3:39:37] Voice 9: how that's connected to a request for a review of the mandate and structure of the islands trust

[3:39:45] Voice 9: and deepening a relationship with the minister.

[3:39:48] Voice 9: And those have to be in sequence.

[3:39:50] Voice 9: I speak to senior staff.

[3:39:54] Voice 9: There's no way you're going to get extra money

[3:39:56] Voice 9: until you've addressed the mandate and the structure

[3:39:59] Voice 9: and the intentions of the organization.

[3:40:02] Voice 9: It will fall on deaf ears to say,

[3:40:04] Voice 9: to make those things happen at the same time.

[3:40:09] Voice 9: And then that makes you,

[3:40:11] Voice 9: well, I see trustees are asking questions,

[3:40:13] Voice 9: so I'll defer to the trustees.

[3:40:14] Voice 9: So there's a lot to that. And I think you should be having some sort of discussions with yourselves around that original intention and reaffirming those key pieces and seeing whether you want actual facts and information to bolster that or whether this is a political consideration.

[3:40:31] Voice 9: You just want to go forward and see how that goes.

[3:40:35] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, sir. Tim Peterson, Deb Morrison.

[3:40:37] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[3:40:38] Voice 8: you, Chair. I mean, I support the intent of this, but I have grave concerns that mandating this be done by September may not be realistic based on, I mean, the Governance Committee, I think, would be a really good idea to check in with the Governance Committee

[3:41:04] Voice 8: committee to see if they feel that that timeline is at all realistic. Thank you.

[3:41:13] Trustee Luckham: Deborah Morrison.

[3:41:16] Voice 31: So I'm hearing two totally different interpretations of this motion. So I see this motion as replying

[3:41:22] Voice 31: to the letter to say, hey, we see you, you see us, great, keep the channels open. We need to

[3:41:29] Voice 31: write that letter. If this isn't the perfect motion, please suggest a modification to the

[3:41:33] Voice 31: the motion and let's get it done the second issue is i i hear what uh ceo hassenfeller is saying

[3:41:42] Voice 31: that conversation about the intersection of these three things is not what i think is being asked

[3:41:48] Voice 31: for in this motion that's a larger conversation in the governance committee that's the conversation

[3:41:52] Voice 31: that i asked to be put on the table in the spring of 2021 related to the trust policy statement

[3:41:57] Voice 31: so it's not new and it's something we absolutely have to own as a council we did it again on july

[3:42:06] Voice 31: 8th 2020 21 with the special meeting and we had a whole bunch of conversation around that

[3:42:10] Voice 31: and then we threw uh uh we we i'm just going to take a moment around we threw things into the

[3:42:19] Voice 31: public that were not trustee approved for conversation and stirred up a whole ton of stuff

[3:42:26] Voice 31: which I adamantly opposed at the moment that it was done.

[3:42:32] Voice 31: And so what we're asking for here is just to have a communication channel

[3:42:37] Voice 31: and respectfully reply to a letter.

[3:42:39] Voice 31: What we absolutely need to do with the governance committee

[3:42:43] Voice 31: and the trust programs committee and the policy statement,

[3:42:45] Voice 31: all those things, is get our house in order

[3:42:47] Voice 31: before we send any other piece of paperwork out into the public

[3:42:51] Voice 31: or anything else for review.

[3:42:54] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Deb.

[3:42:55] Trustee Luckham: have. I do have a remark I'd like to make, but I want to acknowledge Mary Boland, unless you'd

[3:43:01] Trustee Luckham: like me to

[3:43:02] Voice 25: go ahead. You know, I am

[3:43:09] Trustee Luckham: actually, I read this letter, and maybe many of you read it

[3:43:12] Trustee Luckham: this way, much more like what Dog Falk has said. And what's important, and there's two things,

[3:43:20] Trustee Luckham: but what's important with the letter is it says in the third paragraph, I look forward to learning

[3:43:26] Trustee Luckham: of the measures being taken by trust and response to the governance and management review etc etc

[3:43:31] Trustee Luckham: etc quite honestly i don't know that we need to write to the minister they've already said

[3:43:39] Trustee Luckham: this is just my opinion and you wanted me to go ahead of you and i'll and there's another blank

[3:43:44] Trustee Luckham: here to fill in so when we've got something concrete to express that's the time to talk

[3:43:52] Trustee Luckham: to the minister because you know the minister the ministry staff they're busy with i keep saying

[3:43:55] Trustee Luckham: saying this, 169 other local governments. And what's significant, so let's forget the latter

[3:44:02] Trustee Luckham: for a second. What's significant in all this that may be not obvious to all of you because you

[3:44:06] Trustee Luckham: weren't there. When we last met with Minister Cullen, we said we want to meet more often,

[3:44:15] Trustee Luckham: frequently, to talk about the Alice Trust and what our concerns are, because they're deep and

[3:44:20] Trustee Luckham: they're grave and it covers a lot of things. And what surprised us is a month or two months later,

[3:44:28] Trustee Luckham: I can't recall the exact window.

[3:44:30] Trustee Luckham: We got a letter from Minister Coleman.

[3:44:32] Trustee Luckham: They said, hey, let's meet.

[3:44:35] Trustee Luckham: Wow, okay.

[3:44:37] Trustee Luckham: So it was an opportunity.

[3:44:39] Trustee Luckham: And then the one thing I, and all the time I've been on the executive community, the thing I hate the most is when they reshuffle the cabinet.

[3:44:47] Trustee Luckham: So the next thing that happened, we got that letter, like literally the next day or a week later, they reshuffled the cabinet.

[3:44:55] Trustee Luckham: Oh, off the table.

[3:44:57] Trustee Luckham: Well, to my surprise, and I

[3:44:59] Trustee Luckham: credit the ministry staff for this, they said, you know, the previous minister committed to meeting with the Honest Trust because they've got all these issues and they want to talk to you and they want a deep relationship with you.

[3:45:10] Trustee Luckham: That minister, the new minister, came, followed through on that commitment, and we had a lovely conversation expressing honestly all the things you've talked about at this table to say, hey, we're the Honest Trust.

[3:45:22] Trustee Luckham: We're an agency of the crown.

[3:45:25] Trustee Luckham: You have a special responsibility to us as an agency of the Crown doing special work on your behalf.

[3:45:31] Trustee Luckham: And that's not verbatim, but that's essentially the message.

[3:45:37] Trustee Luckham: And then, to my surprise, I was also invited to a provincial-wide meeting where all of the local governments got together.

[3:45:47] Trustee Luckham: And I just said, hey, thanks, Minister, for meeting me last month.

[3:45:50] Trustee Luckham: And it's great to be here again today and reiterating the same message about the things that we're concerned about.

[3:45:56] Trustee Luckham: So if this letter is intended to say, hey, we're here, we heard, we're going to get back to you.

[3:46:03] Trustee Luckham: I've already done that. And I think that that message is clear.

[3:46:07] Trustee Luckham: So I'm satisfied to continue on. But if council wants to send a letter, we will send a letter.

[3:46:13] Trustee Luckham: So that's my piece. May read over to you. And then I see Aaron Campbell and Susan Yates.

[3:46:20] Voice 32: The original letter went from all the trustees in the previous term.

[3:46:24] Voice 32: The letter came back to us, collectively, all of us.

[3:46:29] Voice 32: So we should collectively answer that letter.

[3:46:33] Voice 32: And what I've said there doesn't preclude any of the other ideas in the discussion that you could have via that letter or by setting the stage for a further discussion and more letters.

[3:46:45] Voice 32: But I think it's really important, A, that we answer the letter and B, that we set ourselves some kind of target for creating an update which reflects on how we're progressing through the recommendations and even how he thinks we're dealing with things as he suggested.

[3:47:05] Voice 32: suggested so i feel it's really important that we write something and if somebody wants to

[3:47:11] Voice 32: change this in some way that makes it more palatable that's fine as jeff said but i feel

[3:47:18] Voice 32: if you don't want to write a letter i'm going to write a letter okay thank you erin campbell

[3:47:24] Trustee Luckham: i

[3:47:25] Voice 16: think i think to me the sentence in addition with local elections being held on october 15th

[3:47:31] Voice 16: 2022 the ministry wants to understand the perspectives and opinions that the newly

[3:47:37] Voice 16: elected trust council has on the requested review and i think that that is what we need to answer

[3:47:43] Voice 16: is do we want to resend the letter and say yes we'd still like the review and that's as far as

[3:47:52] Voice 16: that has to go thank

[3:47:54] Voice 25: you susan h i

[3:48:00] Voice 30: interpret this letter exactly as you do chair luckham and i've

[3:48:06] Voice 30: been following this whole conversation since before we were elected and you know that because

[3:48:12] Voice 30: i talked to you and to cao hudson pillar about how do we get more financial support so um i don't

[3:48:20] Voice 30: think we can be answering this letter and asking for more financial support. The reason I seconded

[3:48:28] Voice 30: Toby Elliott's motion is because at some point in this next year, we need to ask the province for

[3:48:35] Voice 30: proper support of our mandate, most particularly the things that Toby elucidated in her motion.

[3:48:43] Voice 30: And for those things, we need really good staff advice to make those asks.

[3:48:50] Voice 30: So I'm just going to leave it at that.

[3:48:53] Voice 30: But I don't feel we need to answer this letter because it's a different minister.

[3:48:57] Voice 30: For one thing, it's Anne Kang now.

[3:48:59] Voice 30: And we haven't done that governance review yet.

[3:49:03] Voice 30: And when we do, we will get back to them.

[3:49:06] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:49:07] Trustee Luckham: We are going a little astray there by expanding beyond the letter.

[3:49:11] Trustee Luckham: And I think we need to focus on the letter, not necessarily the funding or all the other things.

[3:49:15] Trustee Luckham: And Joe Bernardo, your hand is up.

[3:49:18] Voice 27: Thank you.

[3:49:19] Voice 27: And I think Trustee Morrison was correct to point out that there are this conversation is dealing with multiple things at the same time, the same point that the chair just made.

[3:49:32] Voice 27: If we stay focused on what do we do with the fact that the responsible minister wrote a letter in September and we haven't answered it yet.

[3:49:43] Voice 27: Now, I think Trustee Campbell nailed exactly what the issue is here, which is you have a minister in September who knows that there's going to be an election in a matter of weeks, and he's dealing with an ask from dead men walking.

[3:50:01] Voice 27: he says interesting but you know you're going to have an election we'd like to know what the new

[3:50:11] Voice 27: guys think because what you say today doesn't matter that's what that letter says well we're

[3:50:20] Voice 27: the new guys he wants to hear from us so let's just say hi we're the new guys we agree with the

[3:50:27] Voice 27: thing we said the other guys said before. Will they respond? Will they do anything?

[3:50:34] Voice 27: That's not important. The important thing is that the ministry, and it doesn't make any

[3:50:39] Voice 27: difference who the minister is, that the staff knows we're not going away. You annoy people

[3:50:46] Voice 27: enough, sooner or later, they will have that conversation with you. Okay, we

[3:50:55] Trustee Luckham: have a motion

[3:50:55] Trustee Luckham: on the floor that's been duly moved and seconded. Can I call the vote? Are we ready for the vote?

[3:51:02] Trustee Luckham: vote? Yes. Awesome. All those in favor?

[3:51:08] Voice 25: And on line? Aye. David, you're counting in the room.

[3:51:14] Voice 25: Keep your hands up, trustees. Okay. And that was opposed. So I believe that carries. And you've

[3:51:32] Trustee Luckham: got the numbers? Perfect. Thank you, counsel. It was a good conversation. And you noted I voted

[3:51:39] Trustee Luckham: in favor. I'm not opposed to the letter going. There's no harm in it. So let us move on. That's

[3:51:45] Trustee Luckham: all right uh governance committee uh chair oh my gosh you are absolutely right so we had a motion

[3:51:56] Trustee Luckham: brought forward um and i i got it well we'll see what the motion on the screen is but you know

[3:52:04] Trustee Luckham: there was some advice from the cao there that we need to have a deeper conversation

[3:52:08] Trustee Luckham: um and i can't recall exactly what executive committee asked for other than that it was

[3:52:14] Trustee Luckham: discuss

[3:52:15] Voice 32: right at

[3:52:21] Trustee Luckham: the next executive right okay so toby elliott do you want to make this motion

[3:52:28] Trustee Luckham: at this time was that a no i

[3:52:32] Trustee Luckham: think it was moved and

[3:52:34] Voice 19: seconded so um was

[3:52:37] Trustee Luckham: there a seconder

[3:52:39] Trustee Luckham: susan yates seconded so the motion is on the floor thank you for that clarity so do you wish

[3:52:45] Trustee Luckham: to speak to your motion toby elliott are you in favor or against your motion yeah

[3:52:50] Voice 19: it's just um

[3:52:52] Voice 19: to keep this moving forward and so this may not be the right time but the point is a coordinated

[3:52:59] Voice 19: strategy that's backed with facts what are we doing now what is the historical um sort of trend

[3:53:09] Voice 19: with governance where do we need to go and specifically how does the province um fit in

[3:53:15] Voice 19: And this could take half a year to make. I'm not expecting that this will be done in a week or two, but someone needs to take the lead on crafting a strategy and backing that up and then bringing that back to Trust Council, hopefully in June, and we can support this.

[3:53:33] Voice 19: So it's not saying that executive committee would, you know, write this behind closed doors and then that's it.

[3:53:40] Voice 19: It's it's someone needs to take the lead because this request keeps coming up.

[3:53:44] Voice 19: That's all.

[3:53:45] Trustee Luckham: OK, thank you. Speakers on the motion. Alex Allen, Kate Lewis Stanford.

[3:53:51] Voice 14: Yeah, you just mentioned June. Do you want it? Should there be a time frame on this?

[3:53:56] Voice 14: Just any time. Kate Lewis

[3:54:02] Trustee Luckham: Stanford, Tim Peterson, did you have your hand up?

[3:54:05] Trustee Luckham: no you did it it's

[3:54:09] Trustee Stamford: just a point of consideration that really the only unique aspect of the

[3:54:15] Trustee Stamford: islands trust it's not that we have um pressing needs and affordable housing climate change and

[3:54:23] Trustee Stamford: reconciliation that's not unique in the province everyone has that but we do have an islands trust

[3:54:29] Trustee Stamford: conservancy which our taxpayers pay into and that is a very clear-cut way of asking for better

[3:54:37] Trustee Stamford: funding it's through what you know it's not just the only one but think of it in those terms

[3:54:42] Trustee Stamford: that is where you can ask for support it's got a lot of benefits to it so just something to keep

[3:54:47] Trustee Stamford: in mind right

[3:54:48] Trustee Luckham: so are you in support of the motion i'm

[3:54:52] Trustee Stamford: thinking about it okay it's

[3:54:57] Trustee Luckham: good practice to

[3:54:58] Trustee Luckham: to indicate their interest.

[3:55:01] Trustee Luckham: Do you want to respond to that question?

[3:55:04] Trustee Luckham: Sure.

[3:55:06] Voice 19: Thank you for bringing that up

[3:55:07] Voice 19: because I think the trust conservancy

[3:55:10] Voice 19: needs to be part of that conversation.

[3:55:12] Voice 19: So I'd almost say executive committee

[3:55:15] Voice 19: and working with the conservancy,

[3:55:18] Voice 19: because I think that is the differentiating point

[3:55:21] Voice 19: between this government and others.

[3:55:23] Voice 19: So thank you for that.

[3:55:24] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[3:55:24] Trustee Luckham: And Toby Elliott, you're the liaison to the conservancy

[3:55:27] Trustee Luckham: if i'm not mistaken jim peterson over to you

[3:55:30] Voice 8: yeah i'm in support of this uh we need to work on it on

[3:55:37] Voice 8: on a strategy um to approach the province in a way that um brings us our best chance of success

[3:55:48] Voice 8: uh and somebody needs to start doing that work and um and we need it needs to be done carefully

[3:55:55] Voice 8: and thoughtfully. So I think with anything we do in terms of

[3:55:59] Voice 8: approaching the province, we need to be

[3:56:03] Voice 8: strategizing and thinking carefully about how

[3:56:06] Voice 8: to approach the province in the way that that brings us the success

[3:56:10] Voice 8: that we're looking for.

[3:56:13] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. Grant

[3:56:15] Trustee Luckham: Scott and Deb Morrison and Doug Falk.

[3:56:19] Voice 15: Thank you. I generally support it, but I think it would be a good idea to simplify

[3:56:24] Voice 15: the last part of it and simply say to the Islands Trust

[3:56:28] Voice 15: in light of its increased responsibility for

[3:56:32] Voice 15: reconciliation, climate change, affordable housing, etc.

[3:56:38] Trustee Luckham: So if you're going to do that, I'm going to ask that you make

[3:56:41] Trustee Luckham: a motion to amend. Okay, I'll make a motion to amend.

[3:56:45] Trustee Luckham: Then you'll

[3:56:46] Voice 15: have to articulate that clearly. Okay.

[3:56:50] Voice 15: After, in light of, where's Laurie?

[3:56:53] Voice 15: Sorry, in light of its increased responsibilities for reconciliation, climate change, affordable housing, et cetera.

[3:57:14] Voice 15: Pardon me?

[3:57:17] Voice 15: No, forget the et cetera, but I'm pretty sure there's some other things to go there.

[3:57:24] Voice 25: I'm just not sure what they are.

[3:57:27] Voice 25: Thank you.

[3:57:32] Voice 25: Well, you've got

[3:57:33] Trustee Luckham: reconciliation in there twice now.

[3:57:35] Trustee Luckham: That's the intention.

[3:57:45] Voice 25: And

[3:57:57] Trustee Luckham: so, you know, there's too much side conversations going on in order for me to understand whether or not Trustee Scott is advancing this motion and wants it to end at affordable housing, i.e. delete the remainder,

[3:58:12] Trustee Luckham: or whether he wants to replace the words in light of X, Y, Z with what he's got on the screen there.

[3:58:19] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Scott.

[3:58:21] Voice 15: I think Joe has a good idea on how to clarify a little bit.

[3:58:28] Voice 27: Yeah, it's just a matter of getting the language right here.

[3:58:32] Voice 27: And I think what Trustee Scott's trying to say here is in light of its increased responsibilities for reconciliation,

[3:58:40] Voice 27: reconciliation with first nations in

[3:58:44] Voice 25: the trust area climate change and climate change and

[3:58:59] Voice 25: affordable

[3:58:59] Voice 27: housing period period and so i understand the motion to be that the original

[3:59:06] Voice 27: motion be amended by changing all of language uh after uh basically in light of it like delete

[3:59:18] Voice 27: delete that stuff, what says mandate,

[3:59:20] Voice 27: and put in its increased responsibilities.

[3:59:24] Trustee Luckham: So that's moved by Trustee Scott, an amendment to the motion.

[3:59:27] Trustee Luckham: Is there a seconder for the amendment to the motion?

[3:59:30] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Aaron Campbell, thank you.

[3:59:34] Trustee Luckham: Do I have to speak to your motion, Trustee Scott?

[3:59:39] Voice 15: No, I think it's

[3:59:43] Trustee Luckham: straightforward.

[3:59:47] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[3:59:47] Trustee Luckham: Is there any discussion on the amendment?

[3:59:49] Trustee Luckham: Susan Yates, Jamie Harris.

[3:59:53] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:59:53] Voice 30: will not support the amendment

[3:59:54] Voice 30: because the most important thing

[3:59:56] Voice 30: in the first motion was the man.

[4:00:00] Voice 30: It is our mandate that includes the Islands Trust Conservancy, and that is where we can ask for direct funds for preserving and protecting.

[4:00:10] Trustee Luckham: So thank you. Are you talking then, Trustee Scott, about the first in light of its mandate or the second in light of the pressing needs?

[4:00:20] Trustee Luckham: That one. Second one.

[4:00:23] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. So the word mandate is still included in the amended motion.

[4:00:28] Trustee Luckham: All right. Thank you. Trustee Harris.

[4:00:33] Voice 10: thank you mr chair i

[4:00:36] Voice 25: was hoping to see at the end of this motion that it says to be

[4:00:46] Voice 10: brought to trust council for um approval something in those words

[4:00:55] Voice 25: or

[4:00:59] Voice 10: to then be dropped brought to back to trust council just so it's clear that this isn't being

[4:01:04] Voice 10: done and then it's not coming to trust council thank you now

[4:01:10] Trustee Luckham: i was just going to say it's kind

[4:01:12] Trustee Luckham: of a given that in order for anything the executive committee needs to do chooses to do has

[4:01:17] Trustee Luckham: to be supported by council so it would end up at this table okay good enough thank you yeah um okay

[4:01:25] Trustee Luckham: so now i'm seeing other hands in the room uh may read boland yeah

[4:01:32] Voice 32: just uh perhaps we should leave

[4:01:35] Voice 32: the executive committee and staff to work on the strategy etc we could just put a full stop after

[4:01:44] Voice 32: revisit the provincial grant funding formula to the

[4:01:47] Voice 32: Islands Trust full stop. And then we don't actually

[4:01:53] Voice 32: prejudge.

[4:01:54] Trustee Luckham: Okay, is it just going to

[4:01:56] Trustee Luckham: be a different amendment if that's what you want to do?

[4:01:59] Voice 32: No, it's just

[4:01:59] Voice 32: the same. It's just a suggestion that we just stop it and then leave

[4:02:04] Voice 32: it to the Executive Committee and the staff to work on

[4:02:07] Voice 32: the different aspects that you're going to use to justify it. But just

[4:02:11] Voice 32: just an idea.

[4:02:12] Trustee Luckham: David Mahler, I'm considering that as a separate amendment.

[4:02:17] Voice 24: Yeah, I was just going

[4:02:17] Voice 24: to say if you can, right now you've got that amendment on the floor, so focus on making a

[4:02:23] Voice 24: decision and then come back to this if you want to. Okay, thank you for that support. Doug Falk.

[4:02:34] Voice 6: I'm concerned with timing. You know, I'm totally in support of asking for money when we're ready.

[4:02:40] Voice 6: we should definitely do that but there's nothing about timing here and i'm very concerned that

[4:02:46] Voice 6: we are not responding to the asks of the letter before we ask for funding i think that would

[4:02:53] Voice 6: damage our chances and i think that you know it's going to set us back so i don't know either we can

[4:02:59] Voice 6: put a request you know a mention of timing after responding to the letter to the minister

[4:03:07] Voice 6: from the minister for or something like that or i'm not sure what other solutions there might be

[4:03:12] Voice 6: does that make sense what

[4:03:13] Trustee Luckham: i'm saying well i'm just going to jump in and say this has got really

[4:03:17] Trustee Luckham: nothing to do with the letter it does

[4:03:19] Voice 6: have a lot to do with the letter in my opinion

[4:03:23] Voice 6: because we've been told and and uh russ you've

[4:03:28] Trustee Luckham: mentioned can i can i finish actually if you

[4:03:30] Trustee Luckham: don't mind this is going to be a long-term project it's not i honestly the letter is a thank you

[4:03:38] Trustee Luckham: this is now work that we would ultimately report back so now i'll go back to you

[4:03:42] Voice 6: except yeah okay

[4:03:44] Voice 6: it's not the the response to the letter that we just approved you know that we're going to do

[4:03:50] Voice 6: that's not the response to the letter that's the response that we're going to give to the letter

[4:03:54] Voice 6: that's saying that in the future we're going to give you a response to your asks i encourage you

[4:03:59] Voice 6: to look at these opportunities in addition with local elections being held in october blah blah

[4:04:04] Voice 6: The ministry wants to understand the perspectives and the opinions of the newly elected trust council.

[4:04:10] Voice 6: We have not addressed that.

[4:04:11] Voice 6: We have not answered that.

[4:04:12] Voice 6: If we ask for money before we answer those questions, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

[4:04:20] Voice 6: That's my point.

[4:04:23] Voice 6: Aaron, let

[4:04:24] Trustee Luckham: me just check my speaker's list.

[4:04:26] Trustee Luckham: Aaron Campbell, you're next.

[4:04:27] Voice 16: It's two totally different letters, completely.

[4:04:33] Trustee Luckham: This is

[4:04:33] Voice 16: not a letter.

[4:04:34] Voice 16: we're responding to the last part of the letter which we've already had a motion for and we've

[4:04:41] Voice 16: already passed it now we're talking about setting up a program where we go through and figure out

[4:04:47] Voice 16: what it is that we're going to do to go back and talk to the minister and what our asks will be

[4:04:53] Voice 16: when that will be and it all has to get figured out now from this point forward we already voted

[4:05:00] Voice 16: and pass the response to the letter

[4:05:04] Trustee Luckham: sure we need to achieve some clarity here and actually i'm

[4:05:11] Trustee Luckham: going to go to tim biggerson maybe he can help us and then i'll come back to you because it's kind

[4:05:15] Trustee Luckham: of a almost another debate going on there but let's see what tim peterson has done uh thank

[4:05:20] Voice 8: you chair uh my understanding of the intent of this motion is to um have the executive

[4:05:27] Voice 8: and committee and staff work on a strategy.

[4:05:32] Voice 8: And I think that timing is implicit in strategic thinking.

[4:05:38] Voice 8: So I don't see that adding specific timing

[4:05:41] Voice 8: in this is necessarily appropriate.

[4:05:44] Voice 8: I think that discussion between executive committee

[4:05:46] Voice 8: and staff is going to take that into account

[4:05:49] Voice 8: and will identify what's appropriate.

[4:05:52] Voice 8: Thank you.

[4:05:52] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:05:53] Trustee Luckham: So, Dag, I think I owe you a response to the comments on the table.

[4:06:01] Voice 6: Well, it was your question, right, Aaron?

[4:06:06] Voice 6: No, you were saying to me that we have responded to a letter already.

[4:06:11] Voice 6: My point is we haven't responded to the letter.

[4:06:15] Voice 6: We've sent a letter saying, or planning to send a letter saying,

[4:06:18] Voice 6: we are going to respond to your letter, to the points in the letter.

[4:06:24] Voice 25: We're resending the letter that we have heard.

[4:06:31] Voice 16: resending the letter in the last motion we are sending the letter saying that we

[4:06:38] Voice 16: as the new people are requesting the same thing that the last people requested this this is this

[4:06:48] Voice 16: is more to the follow-up action item that has been talked about earlier in the meeting that that

[4:06:55] Voice 16: that Russ was addressing, that we need to come up with a specific strategy for how we're going

[4:07:04] Voice 16: to approach, I think it's the province in actuality, in asking about the fact that we were

[4:07:12] Voice 16: being given X number of dollars when in its inception, and now we've been slowly whittled

[4:07:19] Voice 16: down to a very minor amount and we have all of these increased pressures on our government

[4:07:27] Voice 16: that we need to we need consideration for totally separate thing that would be set up with the

[4:07:35] Voice 16: executive to move forward with a plan for how we're going to do that and putting a date on

[4:07:42] Voice 16: when that will be done by isn't really acceptable because who knows how long it's going to take to

[4:07:48] Voice 16: get that right so

[4:07:50] Trustee Luckham: council i'm going to apologize um in my interest in wanting to advance discussion

[4:07:58] Trustee Luckham: amongst all of you i have failed you in we have an amendment to the motion i've already deferred

[4:08:06] Trustee Luckham: a further amendment from mary boland with respect to the amendment that's on the floor if there's a

[4:08:11] Trustee Luckham: further amendment to this motion then i think i want to entertain that as a also as a separate

[4:08:18] Trustee Luckham: item so i think to maintain the process here i have an amendment to the motion which i think

[4:08:26] Trustee Luckham: is broadly reasonable um if there's further amendments to the original motion then let's

[4:08:32] Trustee Luckham: have this conversation at further amendments is that okay council so is there any further

[4:08:39] Trustee Luckham: discussion on the amendment that's on the screen then i'm going to call

[4:08:44] Voice 25: a vote on the amendment

[4:08:46] Voice 25: all those in favor and david graham online and i'll call for those opposed to the motion

[4:09:04] Voice 25: so i believe that

[4:09:12] Trustee Luckham: carries so thank you so if you can magically um consolidate that

[4:09:18] Trustee Luckham: uh laurie it'd be very much appreciated and now i have a speaker's list presently um

[4:09:27] Trustee Luckham: on the now amended motion, and what I have is Deb Morrison and Dag Falk on what is now

[4:09:38] Trustee Luckham: an amended motion, and so I'll ask if those individuals wish to speak to the amended motion

[4:09:46] Trustee Luckham: now, and then whether or not there's others that wish to speak to the motion. So, Deb Morrison,

[4:09:51] Trustee Luckham: Dag Falk, you were on my speaker's list before we amended the motion. Do you wish to speak to it?

[4:09:55] Trustee Luckham: Yes, please.

[4:09:57] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Deb.

[4:09:58] Voice 31: I just want to thank everybody in our community who's watching because I'm getting various notes from community members watching.

[4:10:05] Voice 31: So thank you for that. And yes, I can multitask.

[4:10:10] Voice 31: So I just wanted to say that I'm in favor of this motion because I do think this is an issue that has been on the table for a long time around the idea that we.

[4:10:23] Voice 31: We carefully and strategically think about how to go after the provincial funding, which, you know, even though it's officially sort of held level, it's essentially been decreasing because our offloading from the province of the task that we need to do has been increasing.

[4:10:39] Voice 31: So I absolutely agree that we should be going after this and we should think about it carefully.

[4:10:45] Voice 31: And I would like I would offer my help in that because I would really love to be involved in that thought.

[4:10:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Deb.

[4:10:52] Trustee Luckham: uh dog on the mended motion

[4:10:55] Voice 6: yes um like i said before i'm totally in support of the concept but

[4:11:02] Voice 7: i'm

[4:11:02] Voice 6: uncomfortable with not having any any reference to the timing and i think that if we

[4:11:10] Voice 6: don't you know craft that right i think we could be doing more damage than good and i understand

[4:11:20] Voice 6: that that may happen in this process but it's not said that it will be happening it's not stated

[4:11:27] Voice 6: so i'm uncomfortable with that

[4:11:30] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you dag now may read i'm going to come back to you

[4:11:33] Trustee Luckham: because you had a further amendment to the motion oh

[4:11:41] Voice 25: sorry i

[4:11:43] Voice 32: just have a suggestion that we instead

[4:11:46] Voice 32: of getting bogged down in the reasons for it we're all

[4:11:49] Voice 32: agreed that it should the funding could

[4:11:52] Voice 32: could increase that we just put a full stop at the end of to the irons trust and that the rest

[4:11:59] Voice 32: isn't necessary and in some ways it pre-casts how we would devise the strategy and what our request

[4:12:09] Voice 32: would be and i just thought it's clearer and cleaner to just stop it there and then leave it

[4:12:17] Voice 32: to the executive committee to work with staff on the strategy and the justification okay so

[4:12:27] Trustee Luckham: i'm not sure if you're presenting a totally different motion or whether or not you want

[4:12:31] Trustee Luckham: to amend the motion but you need to articulate how you want to amend this motion okay i would

[4:12:37] Voice 32: amend the motion by deleting everything after to the irons trust the

[4:12:47] Voice 25: part we just amended

[4:12:50] Trustee Luckham: okay so that's what you want to do so then do i so you're moving that motion do i have a seconder

[4:12:58] Trustee Luckham: for the motion okay seconded by jamie harris do you wish to speak to the motion further

[4:13:06] Trustee Luckham: i

[4:13:08] Voice 32: think it leaves it open you know we've had a discussion about you know the honest

[4:13:12] Voice 32: trust conservancy the mandate the increased responsibilities there are endless reasons

[4:13:18] Voice 32: And there are purely financial, you know, percentages and calculations, et cetera, et cetera.

[4:13:24] Voice 32: So I think it's cleaner to just leave it that all of those will surface during the discussions.

[4:13:31] Trustee Luckham: OK, so I'm kind of waiting for Laurie to get that up on the screen.

[4:13:37] Trustee Luckham: But you had it nicely highlighted there before, Laurie.

[4:13:40] Trustee Luckham: That was helpful.

[4:13:41] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to ask now for speakers on the motion to amend.

[4:13:44] Trustee Luckham: And I notice recognition Grant Scott, Christine Evans, and Laura Patrick.

[4:13:53] Trustee Luckham: Okay, Grant Scott, the

[4:13:55] Voice 15: floor is yours.

[4:13:56] Voice 15: Thank you.

[4:13:57] Voice 15: I think what the earlier motion is trying to do is present some rationale for why we're going there requesting increased funding.

[4:14:11] Voice 15: And I think to send a letter in that doesn't have that, something to – why are we asking for money?

[4:14:16] Voice 15: money i think that's what ministers and that's what their staff look for you got to give them

[4:14:20] Voice 15: something to start with they may they will undoubtedly if they take it seriously come back

[4:14:26] Voice 15: and ask the executive and folks here for more detail they're not going to just throw the money

[4:14:32] Voice 15: off the back of the bus so that's why i think it's important to have that rationale there

[4:14:37] Voice 15: thank you okay thank you uh

[4:14:41] Trustee Luckham: grant um i wrote down ke i don't know who that is

[4:14:50] Trustee Luckham: christina evans there you go see i'm trying

[4:14:52] Trustee Luckham: i'm confusing myself thank you

[4:14:54] Trustee Luckham: thank you um i can't

[4:14:55] Voice 3: support the amended motion um we're working with staff that are overloaded and by leaving it

[4:15:00] Voice 3: completely open without putting any bounds on it is i feel not responsible of us as a trust

[4:15:07] Voice 3: council we have to put some bounds and be clear on what we're asking the work to entail and i think

[4:15:14] Voice 3: what was there on the first amendment is is clear and um pretty much what we're looking for

[4:15:22] thank

[4:15:23] Trustee Luckham: you for that um tim peterson no laura patrick sorry i should write better

[4:15:33] Trustee Luckham: toby elliott noticed i actually

[4:15:35] Trustee Patrick: support the motion now because i've been spending a lot of time

[4:15:38] Trustee Patrick: I'm reading about strategic plans and corporate plans

[4:15:40] Trustee Patrick: and all these things recently.

[4:15:42] Trustee Patrick: And this is our opportunity to align the work

[4:15:46] Trustee Patrick: with this upcoming strategic plan.

[4:15:49] Trustee Patrick: What do we think we're doing and how should it be paid for?

[4:15:53] Trustee Patrick: I think it would be great to put that in the strategic plan.

[4:15:55] Trustee Patrick: This is something lovely, but we're not going to do it

[4:15:58] Trustee Patrick: unless it's paid for.

[4:15:59] Trustee Patrick: So there's some opportunities here.

[4:16:01] Trustee Patrick: So keep it broad.

[4:16:05] Trustee Luckham: CAO Hudson-Pillard, I would like to chime in.

[4:16:08] Trustee Luckham: And Sam Borthwick, I'm going to share.

[4:16:12] Voice 9: I think most likely success here is going to be through some sort of sophisticated lobbying discussion.

[4:16:19] Voice 9: Like you're going to need to really have the right people working with you.

[4:16:23] Voice 9: You're going to need $40,000 or $50,000, I think, to access some advice, to develop a strategy that's going to move the dial in a significant way,

[4:16:37] Voice 9: or at least consideration of that for the next business cycle.

[4:16:43] Voice 9: It's my opinion you won't get a – like if EC and staff work on this,

[4:16:47] Voice 9: we'll be able to take this just so far.

[4:16:51] Voice 9: But I think then you're going to need to, you know, to clinch it,

[4:16:57] Voice 9: you're going to need some really good advice.

[4:17:01] Voice 25: And you'd have to do that next year.

[4:17:08] Voice 25: Thank

[4:17:08] Trustee Luckham: you for that advice, Theo.

[4:17:09] Trustee Luckham: you ben mabry sam forthwick

[4:17:13] Voice 7: yeah

[4:17:14] Trustee Luckham: i was i'm

[4:17:15] Voice 7: going to support the amendment to the motion i mean i

[4:17:18] Voice 7: think all we're really doing is directing the executive committee to come up with a work plan

[4:17:23] Voice 7: on how to do this and i think what russ just talked about is you know we the motion got too

[4:17:30] Voice 7: complicated it's sort of pigeonholes here leave it wide open let the executive committee and russ

[4:17:36] Voice 7: work on it and bring it back to us. That's all we need to do. I think it's pretty simple if we do

[4:17:40] Voice 7: that.

[4:17:41] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Ben. Sam Borthwick.

[4:17:44] Voice 16: Pretty much just that. There's a principle in editing where

[4:17:48] Voice 16: you write your first draft and then you cut until you've cut away everything that doesn't need to

[4:17:53] Voice 16: be there. Everything that needs to be there is there. I have trust in the executive council,

[4:17:59] Voice 16: who are the people we're directing to do the work. We're not directing staff. We're directing staff

[4:18:02] Voice 16: to work with trust council or the executive but the executive understand the spirit of what's

[4:18:07] Voice 16: being requested here i think we just can stop the semantics and move forward thank

[4:18:13] Trustee Luckham: you sam joe

[4:18:15] Trustee Luckham: bernardo uh

[4:18:18] Voice 27: if possible i'd like the ceo to clarify his last remarks because i'm puzzled

[4:18:23] Voice 27: because um i just did this motion to be basically get the ball rolling and get the executive

[4:18:28] Voice 27: committee working with staff to develop um at least the outline of the strategy or some sort

[4:18:35] Voice 27: of strategy come back to trust council in due course and then you know move it along but where

[4:18:41] Voice 27: the i first of all the idea that we might need fifty thousand dollars to fund some expert advice

[4:18:48] Voice 27: that's one point is it seems like we're getting ahead of ourselves maybe we should figure out

[4:18:53] Voice 27: what we're trying to do first the other thing is where does that number come from like why 50k why

[4:18:58] Voice 27: Why not 25 or 30, whatever it is?

[4:19:01] Voice 27: Thank you, Joe.

[4:19:03] Trustee Luckham: CEO Ochsenbiller wants to talk to that one.

[4:19:05] Voice 9: Well, because I'm awesome at just picking a number out of the air and recommending it.

[4:19:10] Voice 9: This is not the first time this conversation has been had.

[4:19:14] Voice 9: We've been talking about this for, I've been here seven years, at least five years.

[4:19:19] Voice 9: There's a limit to where staff reporting and reaching out to mid-level staff at the ministry and might be other ministries.

[4:19:29] Voice 9: It might be nothing to do with our ministry that carries this ball over the line.

[4:19:35] Voice 9: We don't know that.

[4:19:38] Voice 9: So I think you're going to need a pretty sophisticated strategy to get the kind of ongoing dollars that you're talking about.

[4:19:45] Voice 9: And you have to make a case.

[4:19:49] Voice 9: And I haven't heard a sophisticated case.

[4:19:53] Voice 25: No.

[4:20:04] Okay.

[4:20:08] Voice 9: Okay.

[4:20:09] Voice 9: okay so the reason why i say that is because we've it's been discussed before i think i

[4:20:17] Voice 9: there are some natural limitations to how far we're going to get with this and between now

[4:20:22] Voice 9: and one year you haven't got anything budgeted to go out and get some really good advice to assist

[4:20:27] Voice 9: you in that and i'm just saying it's somewhere between 30 and 50 if you want a broad brush plan

[4:20:33] Voice 9: to come back um that's great i've had lots of conversations with ministry individuals

[4:20:41] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:20:46] Voice 27: I want to understand exactly the kind of advice you're talking about. I'm hearing maybe you're talking about hiring lobbyists once we've got a strategy to sort of push it across the threshold over in Victoria. Is that what you're talking about in terms of getting professional advice?

[4:21:05] Voice 27: it

[4:21:08] Voice 25: could be that or it could be

[4:21:10] Voice 9: some other political insight other than i just don't

[4:21:15] Voice 9: think a straight request without a full case being made is going to be successful

[4:21:26] Voice 27: don't we have to develop that case ourselves isn't that the point of trustee elliott's

[4:21:31] Voice 27: motion which is we need to at least start start develop it and if it turns out that you're right

[4:21:37] Voice 27: that we need to hire lobbyists or some other sort of professionals um we still have to make up our

[4:21:44] Voice 27: own minds in terms of what we need and why we need it and then we give that football over to the

[4:21:50] Voice 27: expert or whoever it happens to be to sort of you know twist arms of victoria whatever the heck it

[4:21:54] Voice 27: goes on over there but it doesn't seem to me that that's an objection or a barrier to doing the

[4:22:00] Voice 27: first stage of the work

[4:22:01] Voice 9: you know i'll opt out if there's i've got nothing left to say i've just

[4:22:07] Voice 9: offered you my thoughts and you can access them or not um when you might need some assistance or not

[4:22:15] Voice 9: i can't really say i just think that that might be needed at some point um

[4:22:21] Trustee Luckham: i'm just going to interject

[4:22:22] Trustee Luckham: that the motion is amended and we're talking about an amendment right at this moment in time let's

[4:22:27] Trustee Luckham: keep that focus on we're just talking about an amendment and i've got three four more three

[4:22:32] Trustee Luckham: three more speakers on my list. If you pass this motion, the work will unfold and it will become

[4:22:39] Trustee Luckham: apparent what the steps are to do it. And council will be consulted continuously on that because we

[4:22:45] Trustee Luckham: need to know what council's direction is for it. So it doesn't have to be complex. And I think Toby

[4:22:51] Trustee Luckham: Elliott is right. We need to start the work with, and I call it a business case. That's what I call

[4:22:59] Trustee Luckham: it. Toby Elliott, you're on my speakers list. And then Jamie Harris and Lee Middleton. And we're

[4:23:05] Trustee Luckham: running out of time today.

[4:23:07] Voice 19: I'll keep it short. I don't support putting a timeline on this. It

[4:23:11] Voice 19: overly complicates things. What I'm looking for is we've got to have our eyes open to, well,

[4:23:17] Voice 19: what is the province doing? They just wanted to unload a billion dollars in funding for affordable

[4:23:23] Voice 19: housing in the province like that just happened in the last month and so we're sitting here

[4:23:29] Voice 19: debating about how do we coordinate and ask we need to like we have the leadership we've got

[4:23:37] Voice 19: the great minds at the table we're going to bring this back to you we just need to get the ball

[4:23:41] Voice 19: rolling this is not we're not strategizing down two years down the road it's just start the work

[4:23:47] Voice 19: put it on the work program which is what trustee patrick said the executive committee needs a work

[4:23:52] Voice 19: program and this is i think the primary responsibility find the money to make sure

[4:23:57] Voice 19: we can do the work that's it all

[4:24:02] Trustee Luckham: right jamie harris and lee middleton thank you mr chair

[4:24:05] Voice 10: um first in response to grant scott's um comment about the um you know needing to be clear to the

[4:24:13] Voice 10: province we can't just ask them for money that's not what this is suggesting i believe it's just

[4:24:19] Voice 10: we're going to craft that as time goes on that's what the motion is meaning and so by making it

[4:24:25] Voice 10: simpler is just leaving it open and um it's a given that um the first nations climate change

[4:24:38] Voice 10: no to the amendment i'm sorry ben it's because because grant was against the amendment he was

[4:24:47] Voice 10: speaking against the amendment of us taking out the the

[4:24:50] Trustee Luckham: other items the

[4:24:52] Voice 10: other item so speaking

[4:24:53] Trustee Luckham: Speaking to the amendment to the motion then.

[4:24:56] Voice 10: I'm in response to Grant Scott's comments about speaking to the amendment of the, sorry, I should have been more clear.

[4:25:06] Voice 10: So anyways, my comment was very simple, Grant.

[4:25:09] Voice 10: It's just that we aren't trying to just ask without saying why or what we're asking for.

[4:25:15] Voice 10: The idea is to keep it simple, an executive committee will then.

[4:25:24] Trustee Luckham: okay let's rock and roll can i go to lee middleton jamie yes please

[4:25:32] Trustee Luckham: lee middleton grant scott's going to vote for the amendment thank

[4:25:36] Voice 2: you i'm glad we got that

[4:25:37] Voice 2: straight yeah i thought this was not a good discussion at first and then my mind wondered

[4:25:41] Voice 2: and i came back and i realized no this was this is relevant and important so thank you all um

[4:25:48] Voice 2: it's just a little meta-narrative.

[4:25:50] Voice 2: Well,

[4:25:50] Trustee Luckham: thank you for the mind-wandering.

[4:25:52] Trustee Luckham: You're welcome.

[4:25:53] Voice 2: And so I think what Trustee Bernardi was saying is correct

[4:26:01] Voice 2: in the sense that this is the start of our plan,

[4:26:03] Voice 2: but our CEO is absolutely right.

[4:26:05] Voice 2: I mean, we don't just end up with a plan

[4:26:09] Voice 2: and somehow magically it stumbles into an exalted plane

[4:26:13] Voice 2: and the minister's office says,

[4:26:14] Voice 2: and says, they said, jeez, what have I been thinking?

[4:26:17] Voice 2: Of course they need more money.

[4:26:18] Voice 2: Like, it just doesn't work that way.

[4:26:20] Voice 2: And we all know that.

[4:26:22] Voice 2: It's got to fully align with the political will of all of us

[4:26:26] Voice 2: that is manifested by the corporate or the strategic plan.

[4:26:31] Voice 2: Then we go what the governance report told us,

[4:26:34] Voice 2: advocacy is not writing a letter.

[4:26:37] Voice 2: The measurable goal would be, our plan says,

[4:26:40] Voice 2: as the Allianz Trust, we want to achieve.

[4:26:42] Trustee Luckham: Is this on the amendment, Lee Middleton?

[4:26:45] Voice 2: it's it's it's i'm trying to convince grant scott that he's made an error and so uh and so i'm just

[4:26:51] Voice 2: saying like i think everybody's right here i mean uh you know it's like we're on the right track

[4:26:57] Voice 2: and so amendment or otherwise generally the the the first part of the work needs to be done and

[4:27:02] Voice 2: the rest of it is much bigger perfect so it

[4:27:05] Trustee Luckham: sounds like you're in favor i

[4:27:07] Voice 2: i'm gonna do whatever you

[4:27:09] Voice 2: want me to do chair at this point that's

[4:27:11] Trustee Luckham: okay so i want you all to keep laughing because it's

[4:27:14] Trustee Luckham: really important and if there's no further conversation i don't have anybody on my

[4:27:19] Trustee Luckham: speakers there's no further conversation i am going to call a vote on the amendment and then

[4:27:25] Trustee Luckham: we're going to have another vote

[4:27:26] Voice 25: okay on the amendment all those in favor you know what

[4:27:38] Trustee Luckham: that's unanimous at the table is david graham in favor unanimous council take a deep breath

[4:27:44] Trustee Luckham: and celebrate success in advancing that.

[4:27:48] Trustee Luckham: We're not over yet, but that was the important part.

[4:27:52] Trustee Luckham: So now we have an amended motion,

[4:27:54] Trustee Luckham: which it looks like Lori is way ahead of the game,

[4:27:58] Trustee Luckham: was anticipating your support.

[4:28:00] Trustee Luckham: She's got it on the screen.

[4:28:01] Trustee Luckham: Is there any further discussion on this motion?

[4:28:06] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to call the vote.

[4:28:07] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[4:28:12] Trustee Luckham: And you can lower your hands.

[4:28:14] Trustee Luckham: And any opposed?

[4:28:16] Trustee Luckham: None opposed.

[4:28:17] Trustee Luckham: Online, we're in favor.

[4:28:18] Trustee Luckham: well there we go that was a good conversation well done so you know council we've got 20 minutes

[4:28:28] Trustee Luckham: left before we get to our scheduled breaks i'm going to turn to judith getty and ask her

[4:28:33] Trustee Luckham: if she can conclude the committee the governance committee chair report in

[4:28:38] Trustee Luckham: more or less 20 10 minutes we're doing a lot of work and we're doing it really well thanks

[4:28:50] Trustee Luckham: well that was very questions any questions any questions from the chair of the governance

[4:28:56] Trustee Luckham: committee okay you're off the hook man you're doing a

[4:29:01] Trustee Luckham: good job i'm enjoying working with you

[4:29:04] Trustee Luckham: so that's great so you know council um it was i'm not gonna let you off the hook we do have

[4:29:09] Trustee Luckham: nine minutes remaining and this will nicely move us into trust area services which will get us

[4:29:16] Trustee Luckham: ahead of tomorrow's schedule which i really love um and we've got some uh consent agenda items

[4:29:23] Trustee Luckham: items 1.5.11 through 5.14 i'm going to ask you if there's any of those items that you wish to

[4:29:33] Trustee Luckham: discuss or will receive them as for the recommendations all right oh toby which one

[4:29:43] Trustee Luckham: pardon me

[4:29:44] Voice 25: 5

[4:29:46] Trustee Luckham: .1.4 okay thank you so then on deb morrison oh

[4:29:56] Voice 31: i'm sorry i just need us to slow

[4:29:59] Voice 31: down one second

[4:30:00] Voice 31: because there was a transition there

[4:30:01] Voice 31: that I just

[4:30:02] Voice 31: need us to catch up with here.

[4:30:03] Voice 31: Okay, so we're on consent agenda items under 5.1.

[4:30:07] Voice 31: 5

[4:30:07] Trustee Luckham: .11 through 5.14.

[4:30:09] Trustee Luckham: We pulled 5.14.

[4:30:11] Trustee Luckham: Is there another item you want to pull?

[4:30:14] Voice 31: I would like to pull 5.1.1, please.

[4:30:17] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[4:30:18] Trustee Luckham: The Director's Trust Area Services Report.

[4:30:20] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then I'm going to take it then by general consent

[4:30:24] Trustee Luckham: that the other items be received as recommended.

[4:30:29] Trustee Luckham: amended so now let's go back to 5.11 director of trust area services report and i'll go to you to

[4:30:35] Trustee Luckham: ask for your uh comment or question deb morrison all

[4:30:42] Voice 31: right thank you um i actually would just like

[4:30:45] Voice 31: to have this verbalized a little bit um because there has so the the work within trust programs

[4:30:52] Voice 31: because there's been a couple hires related to communications and there's also been some staff

[4:30:56] Voice 31: changes related to the supports of trust program so i just want it verbalized for the record

[4:31:02] Trustee Luckham: director frader you were prepared to do that uh

[4:31:07] Voice 5: thank you chair to clarify you're just asking for

[4:31:08] Voice 5: a staffing update yes

[4:31:13] Voice 31: thanks claire and then just how that is um related to some of the work that

[4:31:19] Voice 31: you are in charge of i think would be the most helpful yeah all

[4:31:25] Voice 5: right happy to good afternoon

[4:31:27] Voice 5: council i'm standing between you and dinner i understand um with regard to staffing of trust

[4:31:33] Voice 5: services where we're at is we have hired a communication specialist filling a long-standing

[4:31:38] Voice 5: vacancy and that person is in an acting role until the end of May. We have a leave in our

[4:31:46] Voice 5: senior policy advisor position of an undetermined time frame. We also have a vacancy in our senior

[4:31:52] Voice 5: intergovernmental advisor position which is the First Nation relations position. That position

[4:31:58] Voice 5: has been posted and we are in a hiring process for that role we may have some delays there we're

[4:32:05] Voice 5: looking at extending that posting to ensure we have a adequate number of candidates and the rest

[4:32:11] Voice 5: of the positions remain filled at this time in terms of impacts to the team of the changes that

[4:32:16] Voice 5: we've had we are working towards continuing the policy statement amendment project I want to thank

[4:32:22] Voice 5: my colleagues for stepping up to help us continue that project as you'll note in your briefing we

[4:32:27] Voice 5: We have proposed a three-month delay to accommodate the staffing vacancies that we have,

[4:32:33] Voice 5: but we do have hope and a plan to keep it on track.

[4:32:36] Voice 5: And we are ramping up our communications again now that we've got someone in place.

[4:32:42] Voice 5: And essentially, most other things remain on track.

[4:32:48] Voice 31: Quick follow-up?

[4:32:49] Voice 31: Yep.

[4:32:50] Voice 31: Can you clarify for us how is the work on the trust policy statement proceeding?

[4:32:55] Voice 31: Who is being allocated that work?

[4:32:56] Voice 31: So

[4:32:58] Voice 5: at this time, Director Marler has agreed to step up with me to assist with the completion of the document.

[4:33:04] Voice 5: I am taking on the coordination with the program coordinator of First Nations Engagement, along with a contractor that we have at this time.

[4:33:12] Voice 5: And I've got other senior staff who have agreed to be in those meetings with us, which is appropriate because other topics might come up beyond the policy statement and it's good relationship building.

[4:33:22] Voice 5: So at this time, I'm also taking on the project coordination pieces of the policy statement.

[4:33:26] Voice 5: okay

[4:33:27] Trustee Luckham: thank you thank you for those questions deb appreciate that thank you director frager

[4:33:32] Trustee Luckham: so legislative monitoring uh report 5.1.4 toby elliott thank

[4:33:39] Voice 19: you chair i just wanted to ask what

[4:33:40] Voice 19: was the rationale for um changing the report from every six months back to every quarterly and then

[4:33:48] Voice 19: back to six months and if we go back to quarter like there's a lot of information in here and it's

[4:33:55] Voice 19: It's really interesting, actually, and I really appreciate having that available.

[4:34:01] Voice 19: So should we have a discussion about the frequency or does anyone care?

[4:34:06] Voice 19: And maybe what's the rationale for less frequently?

[4:34:11] Trustee Luckham: Back to you, Director Fager.

[4:34:14] Voice 5: The change in frequency was a request of council.

[4:34:17] Voice 5: There simply was a preference to receive it semi-annually rather than on a quarterly basis.

[4:34:23] Voice 5: basis the impact of that you're seeing in your agenda that you're getting a much larger report

[4:34:27] Voice 5: than you did previously and I would also suggest that some of the consultation opportunities are

[4:34:32] Voice 5: more dated in nature if you receive them through this report although we do do our best to catch

[4:34:36] Voice 5: them and provide them to executive committee as they come in but certainly yeah it's certainly

[4:34:42] Voice 5: at your discretion to ask us to produce it on whatever schedule works best for council

[4:34:45] Voice 5: so do let us know what works for you.

[4:34:49] Trustee Luckham: Okay so I see a couple of hands up Susan Yates and Devin

[4:34:52] Trustee Luckham: Deb Morrison on the legislative monitoring report.

[4:34:55] Voice 30: Thank you for that information, Director Frater.

[4:34:58] Voice 30: I remember when council voted

[4:35:00] Voice 30: to have that report less frequently

[4:35:03] Voice 30: and all I could think of, oh my goodness,

[4:35:05] Voice 30: I would definitely want it more frequently

[4:35:07] Voice 30: just to keep up with it and also to make it more current.

[4:35:11] Voice 30: So I would certainly prefer to get it quarterly.

[4:35:15] Trustee Luckham: Okay, Deb Morrison.

[4:35:18] Voice 31: And can you speak to are the things that are dated

[4:35:22] Voice 31: in terms of the legislative consultation processes are those things that would only be

[4:35:28] Voice 31: at the trust council level or would they also be at the LTC kind of interest level and if so is

[4:35:34] Voice 31: there a way to communicate if it is six months if to communicate with the LTCs more intentionally

[4:35:47] Voice 25: so this

[4:35:47] Voice 5: is an imperfect process we aren't staffed to do this thoroughly for you so as we catch

[4:35:53] Voice 5: consultation opportunities that come in and you are part of that process please if you note things

[4:35:57] Voice 5: that come you come across if you can forward them into us that certainly helps but yes most

[4:36:03] Voice 5: consultation opportunities that come through are applicable trust-wide or within a region and

[4:36:08] Voice 5: they're provided to executive committee of course at this time you'll note that in the policy

[4:36:13] Voice 5: statement amendment project briefing we've noted that if we're allocating staff to that project

[4:36:18] Voice 5: without funding for backfill the capacity of our team to do other things is going to be lessened

[4:36:22] Voice 5: so within that becomes some imperfection and how we deliver this report to you um so we're

[4:36:28] Voice 5: catching pieces as we can but it's certainly not thorough or you know complete that that's helpful

[4:36:33] Voice 5: but certainly most things are funneled to the executive committee on the rare occasion such

[4:36:37] Voice 5: as like logging that's proposed like a logging timber plan in one particular area that might

[4:36:41] Voice 5: affect an ltc we probably provide it to executive and might give the local trustees a heads up as

[4:36:46] Voice 5: well

[4:36:48] Trustee Luckham: okay kate louise stanford um

[4:36:51] Trustee Stamford: just for perspective last term the reason i voted for

[4:36:55] Trustee Stamford: a semi-annual report was simply to provide a bit of space for staff because this is quite a bit of

[4:37:03] Trustee Stamford: work and um we just don't have the staff to keep this up so that was the only reason but i love

[4:37:09] Trustee Stamford: the report too read it carefully so

[4:37:13] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustees thank you director frader i will put

[4:37:17] Trustee Luckham: I have my own question I'm going to ask, because, indeed, part of the rationale for making this less frequent is because it is a lot of work.

[4:37:26] Trustee Luckham: But, you know, it's a six of one, half a dozen.

[4:37:29] Trustee Luckham: The other probably is whether it's a lot of work every quarter or more work every six months.

[4:37:35] Trustee Luckham: I do wonder about how much would be involved and how far away we might be from actually because it is a good read,

[4:37:43] Trustee Luckham: how we could implement that in real time that would be maybe less troublesome in some way is

[4:37:48] Trustee Luckham: there potential for that um

[4:37:52] Voice 5: so could you perhaps clarify

[4:37:53] Trustee Luckham: what you mean by that would you think like

[4:37:55] Trustee Luckham: so it would be on the web that we could just we and others could just reference it as items became

[4:38:00] Trustee Luckham: came up on the legislative agenda they could be just simply added as they came in i would want

[4:38:09] Voice 5: to think about that before i came in it

[4:38:11] Trustee Luckham: was just i just thought raised it now so without any

[4:38:14] Trustee Luckham: any direction at this time. It's going to continue to be every six months. And so I'm going to take

[4:38:22] Trustee Luckham: it that that's where we're at. And that said, it's 530. And it's time for us to recess for our

[4:38:30] Trustee Luckham: dinner break. And then we're going to return at seven o'clock for the public facing portion of

[4:38:37] Trustee Luckham: our agenda of delegations and public comments. We have it scheduled to go to about 915 this evening.

[4:38:43] Trustee Luckham: and so uh please return at seven o'clock and we'll hear from the public okay so let's recess

[4:38:51] Trustee Luckham: until seven o'clock thank you council thank you for a great afternoon