Mayne Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, March 27, 2023

[0:01:25] Voice 3: That's them live service.

[0:01:45] Voice 3: Tell her right now because I can ask you a question. Okay.

[0:02:03] Voice 3: Yes. Yeah, for the main meeting. It's me. Yeah, it's already on

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[0:03:11] Voice 3: Anyway, I guess my question, and I just, I'm doing some other,

[0:03:32] Voice 3: I'm just going to ask you a question.

[0:03:41] Voice 3: Well, Chloe, Chloe, Jazz said that the live stream is not working.

[0:04:21] Voice 2: It seems to be working what I'm looking

[0:04:25] Voice 2: at on the website.

[0:04:27] Voice 10: Yeah, because I, because I turned it on and I turned on record, right?

[0:04:33] Voice 10: I clicked on record.

[0:04:34] Voice 10: Yeah,

[0:04:35] Voice 2: it's recording and I'm seeing it on the website.

[0:04:37] Voice 2: If you go to the page on the website and click watch live stream, it's up.

[0:04:43] Voice 2: I see it.

[0:04:45] Voice 2: Yeah, I also did that.

[0:04:46] Voice 2: But you know what I see?

[0:04:48] Voice 2: I see myself there.

[0:04:51] Voice 2: Yeah, it's because your video is turned on.

[0:04:54] Voice 2: I see myself, but it's not me moving.

[0:04:58] Voice 2: You know what I mean?

[0:05:00] Voice 2: I'm seeing you moving.

[0:05:03] Voice 3: Do you see me talking to you?

[0:05:05] Voice 3: Yes, I do.

[0:05:09] Voice 10: How come mine is delayed?

[0:05:11] Voice 10: delayed oh

[0:05:12] Voice 2: i think there's just a delay in general when you're live streaming something

[0:05:16] Voice 2: it's okay it's never up to date okay

[0:05:19] Voice 10: well i just got something from link oh

[0:05:27] Voice 10: she doesn't have the

[0:05:28] Voice 10: zoom link so okay so i'm gonna i'll get it from here i wonder why because she she got the

[0:05:39] Voice 10: invitation so i'm gonna i'll

[0:05:44] Voice 3: send it to her yeah okay so toby didn't get the zoom link she asked

[0:06:15] Voice 3: for the zoom link i don't know why because she's in the invitation i don't know why she

[0:06:27] Voice 3: didn't i mean she got the invitation um some

[0:06:34] Voice 2: people tend to miss the invitation or they don't

[0:06:38] Voice 2: look back right

[0:06:40] Voice 10: and uh when we look at the tracking here she it says she declined the

[0:06:53] Voice 10: invitation i don't know why oh

[0:06:55] Voice 2: that might have been accidental on her yeah

[0:06:58] Voice 10: it's probably accidental

[0:07:02] Voice 10: That's probably why she

[0:07:04] Voice 10: didn't get it.

[0:07:08] Voice 10: I usually click the climb by mistake.

[0:07:10] Voice 10: If

[0:07:11] Voice 2: you go into the Zoom account, you should be able to resend the invitation.

[0:07:25] Voice 10: Yeah, well, I did. I copied the link again from the invitation, then I sent it to her.

[0:07:30] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:07:31] Voice 11: Yep, you got it

[0:07:32] Voice 11: now. Thank you, Cherie.

[0:07:37] Voice 11: Hi.

[0:07:38] Voice 11: Hi.

[0:07:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): Hi.

[0:07:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): Am I pronouncing your name correctly?

[0:07:43] Voice 10: Cherie, yeah.

[0:07:44] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:07:44] Voice 10: Cherie?

[0:07:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): Okay.

[0:07:47] Voice 14: I'm just going to zoom out a little bit.

[0:07:48] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:07:48] Voice 10: Hi.

[0:07:50] Voice 10: Yeah, it says in the invitation that you had declined it.

[0:07:53] Voice 10: I was looking at the tracking stuff.

[0:07:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): That's probably why you didn't get it.

[0:07:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): It was all attached to the meeting that I thought was canceled.

[0:08:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): And mine was canceled.

[0:08:03] Trustee Elliott (probable): Oh.

[0:08:03] Voice 11: Oh.

[0:08:04] Voice 11: She

[0:08:04] Trustee Elliott (probable): said, thank you, non

[0:08:06] Voice 11: -clerical errors.

[0:08:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): It's good to know that.

[0:08:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): All right.

[0:08:12] Trustee Elliott (probable): So

[0:08:13] Voice 13: we have Bruce here, who came to talk to us about the Fernfield Center.

[0:08:21] Voice 13: So when we

[0:08:22] Voice 13: change the agenda, we can change the agenda.

[0:08:26] Voice 13: Okay, perfect.

[0:08:27] Voice 13: That's great.

[0:08:28] Voice 14: Oh, yeah.

[0:08:30] Voice 14: Sorry, give me

[0:08:31] Trustee Maude: one more second.

[0:08:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): is

[0:08:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): well welcome everyone members of the public and uh thank you for joining us on this fine day

[0:08:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): for the second main LTC meeting of the of 2023 and our term together I want to begin by acknowledging

[0:09:06] Trustee Elliott (probable): we are meeting together on the unceded traditional territory of many Coast Salish nations

[0:09:10] Trustee Elliott (probable): and the Islands Trust is committed to reconciliation and to acknowledging and

[0:09:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): developing the relationship with First Nations who have been stewarding these lands since time

[0:09:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): a memorial so we are very grateful and continue to work in partnership to my right you have your

[0:09:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): well-known and beloved trustees i'm jennifer yes david and you know our planner very well

[0:09:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): and so calling this meeting to order we want to approve the agenda are there any changes um

[0:09:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): I

[0:09:49] Voice 13: had suggested that Bruce Canna come as a delegation.

[0:09:52] Voice 13: It will take a few minutes to get there, but it is more appropriate.

[0:09:55] Voice 13: So Bruce is going to have a delegation about commercial construction.

[0:09:59] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:10:00] Voice 13: That's great.

[0:10:02] Voice 13: Can I get Bruce's last name?

[0:10:04] Voice 13: Oh, Canna?

[0:10:05] Voice 13: Is it?

[0:10:05] Voice 6: C-R-A-N-N-E.

[0:10:08] Voice 13: C-R-A-N-N-E?

[0:10:10] Voice 13: A.

[0:10:11] Voice 11: A.

[0:10:11] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:10:13] Trustee Elliott (probable): Great.

[0:10:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): Any other changes, additions?

[0:10:20] Trustee Elliott (probable): Hearing none,

[0:10:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): I'll accept, by general consent, the approval of the agenda and move

[0:10:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): into town hall for questions for trustees or myself.

[0:10:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): Please try to keep your comments topical to the trust, what we're engaged in.

[0:10:40] Trustee Elliott (probable): And they can be broader if you want to speak to trust council business as a general whole or ecological issues or housing,

[0:10:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): of course um and address issues and your trustees about one another i know this isn't necessary here

[0:10:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): but sometimes preamble is necessary so i'm practicing thank you so is there anybody who

[0:11:04] Trustee Elliott (probable): wants to speak yes yes thank you i

[0:11:07] Voice 12: needed more time you

[0:11:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): did i would

[0:11:10] Voice 12: have had a chance later i

[0:11:11] Voice 12: I know, but it's informative.

[0:11:15] Voice 12: Good afternoon, Chair Elliott, Trustee Dodds,

[0:11:19] Voice 12: Trustee Maude,

[0:11:21] Voice 12: Planner Chadwick, and fellow Skippakians.

[0:11:25] Voice 12: I'm gonna take a few minutes of your time during town hall

[0:11:29] Voice 12: to make a case for siting and use permits

[0:11:32] Voice 12: under specific circumstances.

[0:11:35] Voice 12: I'll state that at the outset that in general,

[0:11:38] Voice 12: I'm not in favor of siting and use permits

[0:11:40] Voice 12: as standards for home construction or commercial construction in our region.

[0:11:46] Voice 12: But under circumstances like those I'm going to describe to you,

[0:11:50] Voice 12: I believe that they're more than appropriate.

[0:11:53] Voice 12: There's a case to be had that siting and use permits

[0:11:58] Voice 12: would be an appropriate alternative to building permits

[0:12:01] Voice 12: for tiny homes on bales, tiles, and manufactured homes.

[0:12:06] Voice 12: Case in point, my husband and I are in the process of developing a site

[0:12:11] Voice 12: for a tiny home considered by the CRD building constructed under CRD building inspectors and

[0:12:22] Voice 12: excuse me considered by CRD building inspector as a moved and manufactured home

[0:12:29] Voice 12: that home was built on main island under CRD building standards despite the challenges that

[0:12:36] Voice 12: the qualified owner builder faced in that process the structure served as a home for a family of

[0:12:42] Voice 12: three for five years or almost five years our rental property at 567 club crescent is a 1.7

[0:12:50] Voice 12: acre parcel that we've owned since 2017. the primary residence on that property is rented

[0:12:58] Voice 12: to the same young family since the day that we took possession we've often talked about the idea

[0:13:05] Voice 12: of building a second legal residence on the property

[0:13:08] Voice 12: to add to the stock of long-term rentals on Main.

[0:13:11] Voice 12: But the cost of construction is prohibitive.

[0:13:15] Voice 12: When the tiny home became available for sale,

[0:13:18] Voice 12: we looked at the property through a different lens

[0:13:20] Voice 12: and realized it was a perfect fit for the situation

[0:13:24] Voice 12: or the section of property that we had been looking at.

[0:13:28] Voice 12: We contacted a contractor to assess the location

[0:13:31] Voice 12: and commit site preparation,

[0:13:34] Voice 12: Removing trees and stumps to create an area to situate the unit on a concrete pad.

[0:13:40] Voice 12: We decided that we would go through the CRD building permit process despite the fact that the only construction that was happening on the site was the pouring of cement pad, which isn't a requirement.

[0:13:51] Voice 12: and building a utility shed under the 100 square foot limit, and reconstructing a porch that is separate from the TOW.

[0:14:04] Voice 12: This project does not fit into the mold of a typical building permit.

[0:14:09] Voice 12: The fact that the construction of the TOW was done under permit here on Main should negate the requirements for a traditional building permit.

[0:14:19] Voice 12: we've had the property surveyed in 2021 and had intermittent stakes placed along the back of the

[0:14:26] Voice 12: property line so we were able to cite the pad taking into account account setback requirements

[0:14:32] Voice 12: the height of the structure is well within building standards the water connection has

[0:14:37] Voice 12: been established under the approval of our water district the only thing we're waiting for at this

[0:14:42] Voice 12: point is a septic permit and installation oh and a building permit at this point we're carrying on

[0:14:50] Voice 12: with the process we have progressed too far and invested too much in the project to throw our

[0:14:56] Voice 12: hands up and walk away from our point of view this is a win-win situation where we will be able to

[0:15:04] Voice 12: add a modestly priced long-term rental quality long-term rental to the island market while at

[0:15:12] Voice 12: the same time giving a growing family who are committed to the community the equity needed

[0:15:18] Voice 12: to take the next step thank you in advance for taking this into consideration in your

[0:15:25] Voice 12: deliberations with the crd related to building permits on the southern clients

[0:15:34] Voice 14: can you email us a copy of that certainly will be

[0:15:37] Voice 14: very helpful thank you

[0:15:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): Thank you, Deb. It's a great presentation. I appreciate that.

[0:15:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): Is there anyone else who wishes to speak? Adjust GLTC?

[0:15:54] Trustee Elliott (probable): Okay. Mr. Cronin? Bruce Cronin, did you...

[0:15:59] Voice 13: Let me estimate it as a delegation or yes, I didn't realize it was that far down the agenda.

[0:16:05] Voice 13: But really,

[0:16:05] Voice 13: we can shift without, I mean, it's basically the same idea as what Deb's was more of a delegation than question and answer.

[0:16:11] Voice 13: or so yeah so i think mr craig should go ahead would you like to make you sit here for three

[0:16:17] Voice 6: hours yeah thank you for inviting me uh janine and i had a conversation a week or so ago um i'm

[0:16:25] Voice 6: the owner of the fernhold center on main island i've owned it since late 2017. um part of my

[0:16:33] Voice 6: center is a restaurant unit that has a dedicated permitted purpose-built commercial kitchen

[0:16:41] Voice 6: It was built somewhere around 2020, maybe just after it was fully permitted.

[0:16:47] Voice 6: There was also a renovation to the middle part, connecting the commercial kitchen to the dining area, which is in the old part of the building.

[0:16:58] Voice 6: That was permitted as well.

[0:17:02] Voice 6: It had an island's health permit to operate as a 50 seat restaurant from the first time it opened.

[0:17:12] Voice 6: uh with liquor licenses and there's been various restaurants run in that facility

[0:17:18] Voice 6: the commercial kitchen is useless for any other purpose it was purpose-built

[0:17:23] Voice 6: and fully permitted um when i bought it it was being used as an antique store

[0:17:31] Voice 6: and the kitchen itself was not being used uh the owners of it were the or the

[0:17:38] Voice 6: the leases were at the sunny main bakery and they did have plans of restarting that commercial

[0:17:44] Voice 6: kitchen probably as an adjunct kitchen to the main island bakery um so i did some improvements

[0:17:51] Voice 6: within the kitchen at that time upon their request um we upgraded the fire suppression

[0:17:57] Voice 6: suppression system and had to be cleaned and so on in the summer of 2021 they informed me that

[0:18:10] Voice 6: they were leaving the island and that and at that point I I told them I'd support them trying to

[0:18:17] Voice 6: sell their business in place uh they had various people three different people and I felt through

[0:18:23] Voice 6: um they also informed me that the floor in the middle area had collapsed or partially collapsed

[0:18:31] Voice 6: and so i went in and had a look at it and basically that permitted work of the middle area

[0:18:39] Voice 6: it was permitted by the crd it was wood on dirt so i don't know where the inspection went on that

[0:18:48] Voice 6: But I inherited it, I bought it.

[0:18:50] Voice 6: So I was prepared to repair that area.

[0:18:53] Voice 6: And I had the idea at the time that I would replace the bathroom,

[0:18:57] Voice 6: which was over top of the area that was collapsing,

[0:19:00] Voice 6: and probably put in two so that it would be suitable for restaurant use

[0:19:05] Voice 6: for a 50-person restaurant operation.

[0:19:11] Voice 6: In about December, so I had the as-builts drawn up in AutoCAD, because they were just hand-drawn drawings before.

[0:19:22] Voice 6: So I was getting prepared to do a permit set, and then I was approached by my tenants who were renting the bungalow,

[0:19:30] Voice 6: asking if I'd be interested to lease that space out to them as a restaurant.

[0:19:35] Voice 6: I had aspirations of doing a restaurant.

[0:19:39] Voice 6: So at that point, I had my draftsperson draw basically a concept

[0:19:45] Voice 6: of that renovation of the middle area with the bathrooms

[0:19:52] Voice 6: to get a starting point.

[0:19:54] Voice 6: And at that point, I contacted CRD, and I got Chris.

[0:19:58] Voice 6: And he basically, we discussed it briefly,

[0:20:02] Voice 6: and he said I had to get an architect and a structural engineer.

[0:20:06] Voice 6: So I did and I got a structural engineer going. I also contacted a local architect on island.

[0:20:12] Voice 6: I sent the plans off to them. That architect declined. The structural engineer completed

[0:20:18] Voice 6: their work. They considered it mainly a structural project at that point and I

[0:20:27] Voice 6: got a permit set together based on the information provided on the CRD's website.

[0:20:37] Voice 6: when i called i was not able to get a hold of really anybody so in early january of

[0:20:47] Voice 6: 2022 um i was i was prepared i called chris small again and said i was ready to submit the permit

[0:20:55] Voice 6: package in which case he said no you need to talk to mike so mike taylor the commercial inspector so

[0:21:03] Voice 6: So I started trying to contact Mike

[0:21:06] Voice 6: for the next four to six weeks.

[0:21:11] Voice 6: And then I did, he did finally call back.

[0:21:14] Voice 6: And at that point he said,

[0:21:16] Voice 6: I definitely needed an architect on the job

[0:21:21] Voice 6: because it was considered an assembly use

[0:21:26] Voice 6: and because it was a commercial restaurant.

[0:21:29] Voice 6: So basically at that point,

[0:21:31] Voice 6: I went on a three-month adventure trying to find an architect

[0:21:35] Voice 6: that would be willing to work on my project.

[0:21:38] Voice 6: I contacted and sent plans to – I contacted at least 12 different firms.

[0:21:46] Voice 6: I sent drawings, packages to at least four.

[0:21:50] Voice 6: I was declined by all.

[0:21:53] Voice 6: And the problem with it is that there isn't enough money in it

[0:21:57] Voice 6: for an architect to take on that type of small commercial intense renovation and they were all

[0:22:04] Voice 6: busy so there is a problem with the industry and not regards for service for renovation of this

[0:22:12] Voice 6: sort the other problem is it's rural it's remote and it's very expensive for them to service me so

[0:22:19] Voice 6: So I had firms decline on me on that basis alone.

[0:22:23] Voice 6: In the end, I was able to get Richard Iredale.

[0:22:28] Voice 6: I had contacted him earlier.

[0:22:30] Voice 6: He had declined.

[0:22:32] Voice 6: I finally left the message and he called back and he agreed to take it on.

[0:22:39] Voice 6: I think I was

[0:22:39] Voice 6: begging at that point.

[0:22:41] Voice 6: But anyway, so I started with Richard and he set aside all of the work done by the previous

[0:22:49] Voice 6: engineer and because he is a structural engineer and he his firm started and started to develop

[0:22:57] Voice 6: the permit set um in and that took us through i didn't have richard until well into the summer

[0:23:09] Voice 6: it was well into the fall before richard had completed his work um and then we had a meeting

[0:23:16] Voice 6: with Mike and Kevin Lorette of the CRD Zoom meeting

[0:23:22] Voice 6: to see if we could get this thing moving.

[0:23:25] Voice 6: And basically at that point,

[0:23:31] Voice 6: Richard and Mike were going back and forth

[0:23:34] Voice 6: and it's still going back and forth

[0:23:37] Voice 6: in regards to a firewall, the fire separation and so on.

[0:23:43] Voice 6: so i'm expecting permission but it's been a year and i would sum it up saying that the

[0:23:51] Voice 6: communication was not good uh it was not timely uh there should have been consult the crd inspector

[0:24:00] Voice 6: should have provided consultation at the beginning uh they could have provided information and advice

[0:24:07] Voice 6: that either would have clarified

[0:24:10] Voice 6: what I needed to do specifically

[0:24:12] Voice 6: or abandon the project altogether

[0:24:16] Voice 6: before myself and my tenant

[0:24:19] Voice 6: had spent considerable sums of money

[0:24:21] Voice 6: going partway through the renovation

[0:24:24] Voice 6: and preparation for a restaurant operation

[0:24:29] Voice 6: only to have it hung up and delayed.

[0:24:33] Voice 6: And in my opinion,

[0:24:36] Voice 6: and unconscionably due to lack of communication

[0:24:40] Voice 6: or care and attention to something like this

[0:24:45] Voice 6: because what they're dealing with there

[0:24:48] Voice 6: is not somebody wanting to add a renovation to their home

[0:24:52] Voice 6: or build a new home or something like that.

[0:24:55] Voice 6: You're dealing with an operating business

[0:24:57] Voice 6: with a collapsing floor.

[0:25:00] Voice 6: It became unrentable space.

[0:25:02] Voice 6: We did manage to patch it up

[0:25:04] Voice 6: And the CRD did work with us and our architect to get a takeout operation going there so that I could have revenue because I lost 11 months of revenue out of my largest unit because we were expecting permit and it never arrived.

[0:25:20] Voice 6: So basically, I had a discussion with Janine, and Janine said that the Island's trustees are actually interested in the problems that commercial renovations are having, getting permits passed with the CRD.

[0:25:39] Voice 6: And she asked me to come speak to you today.

[0:25:42] Voice 6: So yeah, that's basically the story.

[0:25:45] Voice 6: So we're hoping for permits soon.

[0:25:47] Voice 6: um but as far as uh others following i

[0:25:55] Voice 4: would

[0:25:57] Voice 6: suggest that the crd needs to provide a little

[0:26:02] Voice 6: more care with commercial renovations or requests and consultations because they have a very good

[0:26:12] Voice 6: directions on their websites on how to put together a residential permit package it's very

[0:26:17] Voice 6: detailed and that's essentially what i was i followed in the first instance because that's all

[0:26:23] Voice 6: all they had uh but if they would provide early consultation and a site visit i would say that

[0:26:31] Voice 6: that would alleviate a lot of the problems of the commercial renovations are having that

[0:26:37] Voice 6: that we're having hang-ups and delays.

[0:26:39] Voice 6: I

[0:26:42] Voice 13: just wanted to comment that the one point

[0:26:44] Voice 13: that Bruce made that's important,

[0:26:47] Voice 13: and I'll let Dave speak to our meeting coming up,

[0:26:49] Voice 13: is the fact that there was nothing on the CRD website,

[0:26:53] Voice 13: which is something, the biggest lack of oversight there

[0:26:56] Voice 13: is that there's nothing there that gives you

[0:26:58] Voice 13: that information that tells you what's involved

[0:27:00] Voice 13: and your problems that you've had with the CRD

[0:27:04] Voice 13: are echoed around the Southern Highland area.

[0:27:07] Voice 13: So Dave, you can speak to that.

[0:27:09] Voice 13: there are meetings why

[0:27:10] Trustee Maude: i wanted this twofold because there is a meeting specifically i

[0:27:13] Trustee Maude: believe it's may the 20th with uh commercial uh people who are having problems with crd

[0:27:19] building inspection um have

[0:27:21] Trustee Maude: you been apprised of that uh

[0:27:23] Voice 6: no yeah i

[0:27:25] Trustee Maude: am um i will get paul brent

[0:27:28] Trustee Maude: who's our crd director who's who's arranging that that is that is actually a crd building inspection

[0:27:33] Trustee Maude: section meeting with Kevin so um I know the other hours have been joining him so I'm surprised you're

[0:27:40] Trustee Maude: not on his radar but we will make sure you are on his radar and probably give you a call okay

[0:27:45] Voice 6: that would be great because I believe that's who I need to actually yeah

[0:27:49] Trustee Maude: and so on but on April 11th

[0:27:51] Trustee Maude: we are just um trust me it's not a stress meeting I see being more facilitated by animals on April

[0:27:59] Trustee Maude: April 11th, we're having a meeting with CRD, with VHA, and Island Trust over this and many other

[0:28:05] Trustee Maude: issues where what there seems to be this ongoing issue where you've got urban-based bureaucracies

[0:28:14] Trustee Maude: who are basically trying to regulate a rural community. And like from the building inspection

[0:28:22] Trustee Maude: issues are big. Another one is the simple things like the farmer's market where they're telling

[0:28:28] Trustee Maude: other people well you can't sell cookies and pies and soups um we had a problem with our house

[0:28:34] Trustee Maude: where they basically they're saying you can't have houses anymore um really really simple silly

[0:28:42] world issues but to urban people they see these as great issues so we're trying to sort of meet

[0:28:48] with the various

[0:28:49] Trustee Maude: regulators and say can we have sort of a kinder gentler approach to the islands

[0:28:53] Trustee Maude: sort of respecting our community and sort of the whole intent of unique amenities within our mandate

[0:29:01] Trustee Maude: is you know we're we are special we have great communities that have survived forever but people

[0:29:08] Trustee Maude: from victoria are coming over here in this room our economies are so fragile you're a great example

[0:29:13] Trustee Maude: the landlord who's basically going above and beyond to support a tenant to make something work

[0:29:19] Trustee Maude: to to to put a little bit to the economy and nobody's helping you so we i think i really

[0:29:27] Trustee Maude: appreciate you coming because these are the testimonials that we have to take back these

[0:29:31] Trustee Maude: meetings and but as i say i will make sure paul brent gets in touch with you because that's that

[0:29:37] Trustee Maude: meeting i think it's made on april 20th that's actually going to be people like you sitting

[0:29:43] Trustee Maude: across the table saying we have problems because there's there's here um on galliano there's three

[0:29:50] Trustee Maude: restaurants in the same position um the galliano recycle center right now is having huge problems

[0:29:55] Trustee Maude: with crd building special it's a turner recycle center um the same on penn

[0:30:00] Trustee Maude: same on self-pender so there's you're not alone so

[0:30:03] Voice 4: but

[0:30:04] Trustee Maude: thank you very much for coming yes

[0:30:06] Voice 13: and so

[0:30:07] Voice 13: yeah so we will be taking your message and it really includes deb's message too about how the

[0:30:14] Voice 13: regulations are working lack of information lack of cooperation between actually vha and crd and

[0:30:21] Voice 13: our communities are suffering for that because of that lack so both of you very timely thank you

[0:30:27] Voice 13: we'll do what we can

[0:30:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): can i just ask a question do you have regular protocol meetings with the crd

[0:30:35] Trustee Elliott (probable): to sort of discuss some business like specifically business matters we don't

[0:30:39] Trustee Maude: know is that um we're but i would say we don't we will yeah

[0:30:44] Trustee Maude: i don't know

[0:30:47] Trustee Maude: which have been very broad-based we seem to be breaking off just very focused units now

[0:30:52] Trustee Maude: right so

[0:30:53] Trustee Maude: i think this meeting on the 11th this could be the first many okay yeah because it

[0:30:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): might be good to formalize that request and ask for a break or an annual protocol meeting which

[0:31:04] Trustee Elliott (probable): liskiti just did with the qrd and it was very helpful because we were able to work on issues

[0:31:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): like an easement from ot and who's dealing

[0:31:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): with that and our respective caos needed to

[0:31:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): write letters to moti to so where there's a coordination function needed i think

[0:31:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): working on a protocol agreement to to make that to put it in practice could be helpful

[0:31:25] Trustee Elliott (probable): helpful so that that those items are on

[0:31:28] Voice 14: the agenda and then as citizens come forward you know you keep

[0:31:31] Voice 14: moving them forward so actually yeah thanks for bringing this up sorry you've been through so much

[0:31:36] Voice 14: hassle

[0:31:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): it sounds pretty good lunch it

[0:31:39] Voice 4: was very

[0:31:40] Trustee Elliott (probable): good luck thank you is there anything else after

[0:31:45] Voice 4: thank you thank

[0:31:47] Trustee Elliott (probable): you bruce

[0:31:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): so we'll just do one more call for town hall and just a reminder that if anyone wants to speak to

[0:31:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): either of the two applications uh now

[0:32:00] Voice 14: is your chance um not while we're considering the

[0:32:04] Voice 14: application but

[0:32:05] Voice 11: we're

[0:32:06] Voice 7: here for one of them yes

[0:32:07] Voice 3: the applications because yeah yes exactly

[0:32:10] Voice 3: like to see other members okay um

[0:32:13] Voice 14: great so the information meeting there was none and no public

[0:32:19] Voice 14: hearing so we'll go to the minutes um 6.1 we want any changes deletions there were very excellent

[0:32:29] Voice 14: have minutes

[0:32:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): all right another excellent minutes i had nothing so i'll take my

[0:32:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): general consent

[0:32:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): that we can adopt the minutes of january 30th um we have no resolutions without meeting we have

[0:32:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): two oh yeah how did

[0:33:00] Voice 13: i miss that well

[0:33:01] Voice 13: they were february we want to just repeat them here so yeah

[0:33:04] Voice 13: because we can't oh right yeah yeah so whatever page that is

[0:33:08] Voice 13: so we cancel the meeting that we need to approve

[0:33:12] Voice 13: I said a minute ago.

[0:33:13] Voice 14: Yes, it's

[0:33:13] Voice 14: on page 12.

[0:33:14] Voice 14: It might be on page 12.

[0:33:15] Voice 13: Oh, it's on page 12.

[0:33:16] Voice 13: So it's on page 12.

[0:33:18] Voice 13: There it is.

[0:33:18] Voice 13: Great.

[0:33:19] Voice 13: Great.

[0:33:20] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:33:20] Voice 13: I know.

[0:33:21] Voice 13: Still getting used to it.

[0:33:23] Voice 13: I know.

[0:33:23] Voice 13: And I never know.

[0:33:24] Voice 13: Oh, okay.

[0:33:25] Voice 14: Should I do my pack feature?

[0:33:26] Voice 13: Never mind.

[0:33:27] Voice 14: All is good.

[0:33:28] Voice 13: All is good.

[0:33:29] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:33:30] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:33:30] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:33:30] Voice 13: We've changed

[0:33:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): the variants for

[0:33:32] Voice 13: the, for the.

[0:33:32] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:33:33] Voice 13: For the shop.

[0:33:34] Voice 13: For the store.

[0:33:34] Voice 13: For the store.

[0:33:35] Voice 13: Next door.

[0:33:36] Voice 13: We're just receiving for information.

[0:33:37] Voice 13: Anyways.

[0:33:38] Voice 13: um

[0:33:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): so we've got a follow-up action list is there

[0:33:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): anything you'd like to ask our

[0:33:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): present staff about

[0:33:47] Voice 13: well i just was wondering about the water tanks because that was a safety

[0:33:51] Voice 13: concern so it's just and you were looking into right yeah because i was going to talk this year

[0:33:57] Voice 13: so i was going

[0:33:58] Voice 13: to combine that with the conversation that we have with them um oh okay i um

[0:34:02] Voice 13: So I have been recently in an email contact trying to figure out a date.

[0:34:08] Voice 13: Okay. Oh, okay. For the Wooddale visit.

[0:34:11] Voice 13: Yeah, I think we'll end up just having a conversation first and then see if we need to,

[0:34:16] Voice 13: because it seems it's hard to organize people to be in the same place at the same time.

[0:34:22] Voice 13: You can take the camera.

[0:34:23] Voice 13: yeah everything else has come oh my goodness there's a lot of yeah wow is there anything

[0:34:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): that needs to

[0:34:33] Voice 13: not now i mean

[0:34:34] Voice 13: i'm assuming all the completed things will be um so the only other one

[0:34:39] Voice 13: is the flexible housing is still the flyer mail and all that but that's yeah so that's

[0:34:45] Voice 13: um so uh look at that up the door um i i didn't change it i'll i'll i can um i'll send it over

[0:34:54] to you they're just uh a

[0:34:56] Voice 13: graphics person it looks better now okay i've got a real graphic artist

[0:34:59] Voice 13: so i'll flip it to you and i put in the um i put in the road names oh good that helps yeah yeah

[0:35:08] Voice 13: yeah yeah thank you thank you that's what i have to say i mean it's a huge 10 huge long list so

[0:35:14] Voice 13: basically everything's completed thank you

[0:35:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): did we keep the applications open for apc

[0:35:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): well i

[0:35:25] Voice 13: think we're discussing them in camera today right yeah it's closed thank

[0:35:31] Voice 11: you okay

[0:35:32] Voice 11: Okay, I'm ready to speak to delegations.

[0:35:36] Voice 11: Terrible word, I don't like the disposal of delegations.

[0:35:39] Voice 11: So we're

[0:35:40] Voice 13: gonna change that terminology, right?

[0:35:42] Voice 14: Handle, handle, respond

[0:35:44] Voice 14: to delegations.

[0:35:46] Voice 14: All right, I think you know that.

[0:35:49] Voice 14: Okay, so now we're coming to, there's no correspondence.

[0:35:54] Voice 11: And Richard Iredale will talk to me.

[0:35:57] Voice 11: Oh, he's speaking to you, so

[0:35:59] Voice 11: I have to go.

[0:36:00] Voice 11: okay

[0:36:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): so we've got um a referral from the galliano island local trust committee

[0:36:04] Voice 13: so i move that the uh

[0:36:07] Voice 13: interests of the main island local trust committee are not impacted by bylaw 283 and 284 galliano

[0:36:14] Voice 13: island local trust area second

[0:36:18] Trustee Elliott (probable): that's great call for the vote all those in favor

[0:36:22] Voice 13: i do like the fact that all new fields have to have 18 000. i

[0:36:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): was i was noticing that i'd like

[0:36:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): to

[0:36:29] Voice 13: see the full bylaws lots of good rainwater catchment rules being added to the land use

[0:36:35] Voice 13: bylaws so that's very good to see that's very helpful yeah

[0:36:39] Trustee Elliott (probable): okay so 10.2 on page 20 in your

[0:36:44] Trustee Elliott (probable): agendas we've got uh carly uh charlie capra sorry on the line hello hi

[0:36:51] Voice 1: there how's it going great

[0:36:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): great how are you today good

[0:36:55] Voice 1: okay so uh the application before you today is ma dvp 2023.2

[0:37:02] Voice 1: um and so the applicant is requesting to vary the eight point meter setback from the rear lot line

[0:37:09] Voice 1: to permit a proposed addition onto the existing dwelling um and so that would be uh 5.1 meters

[0:37:16] Voice 1: from the rear lot line um and so uh the dwelling uh was constructed in the 1990s uh according to

[0:37:24] Voice 1: bc assessment um we and uh the initial architect had anticipated that an addition would be required

[0:37:31] Voice 1: in the future and had designed the house to be extended towards that rear property line

[0:37:35] Voice 1: um at that time setbacks weren't really considered um and which has kind of led to today where the

[0:37:41] Voice 1: current owner is seeking a variance. And so we conducted a site visit on March 2nd, which is

[0:37:48] Voice 1: included in the attachments. And then the property is located on a corner lot in a quiet residential

[0:37:54] Voice 1: street backing onto forested land in Bennett Bay. So staff are recommending support of this variance

[0:38:06] Voice 1: because it would have minimal, if any, impact on neighbours

[0:38:11] Voice 1: and no concerns have been received from adjacent neighbours

[0:38:15] Voice 1: during the notice period.

[0:38:17] Voice 1: Yeah, so we recommend that support for this application

[0:38:23] Voice 1: as is shown on page one.

[0:38:27] Voice 1: Thank you, Charlie.

[0:38:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): Sorry, you're here for this second.

[0:38:32] Voice 1: Okay, you're here. Apologies.

[0:38:33] Trustee Elliott (probable): Would you like to speak

[0:38:35] Voice 14: to the application?

[0:38:37] Voice 14: or uh i think we just we're going to retire there it's a small cottage now

[0:38:42] Voice 14: more amenities on it and just expanding that space make it possible for us to age in place

[0:38:49] Voice 14: i know the house you know the

[0:38:58] Voice 13: house and on the

[0:39:00] Voice 14: porch many times

[0:39:01] Voice 14: yeah

[0:39:02] Voice 13: so no i i don't have any questions any questions

[0:39:05] Voice 13: so i will move that the main

[0:39:09] Voice 13: island local trust committee approved issuance of development variance permit application

[0:39:14] Voice 13: m-a-d-b-p 2023.2 blast i will second that all right

[0:39:19] Voice 11: second bear danny for the discussion

[0:39:21] Voice 11: No? All those in favor?

[0:39:24] Voice 11: That's great. Congratulations, and

[0:39:26] Voice 14: good luck on your transition.

[0:39:29] Voice 14: Do I need to get any paper from you for this?

[0:39:31] Voice 13: You'll get it. It'll

[0:39:32] Voice 4: come out by

[0:39:33] Voice 13: tomorrow, probably.

[0:39:34] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:39:34] Voice 13: In the next couple of days. It's very fast.

[0:39:36] Yeah.

[0:39:37] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:39:38] Voice 13: All right. Take care.

[0:39:40] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:39:43] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:39:44] Voice 11: That's Charlie.

[0:39:47] Voice 11: And we've got number

[0:39:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): two.

[0:39:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): This is also, you're presenting this one as well?

[0:39:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): Yep.

[0:39:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): Okay.

[0:39:55] Voice 1: So the second application before you is MADVP 2022.4. So this is a variance request for pre-existing minor encroachments in the three-point meter interior side lot line for the existing stairs and landing and the deck.

[0:40:11] Voice 1: So specifically a deck and landing corner right at the property line and a corner of the existing deck that's 1.093 meters from the property line.

[0:40:20] Voice 1: They were constructed following the introduction of land use regulations and therefore

[0:40:24] Voice 1: are not considered pre-existing non-conforming. So the encroachments were noted in 2022 during

[0:40:31] Voice 1: a preliminary plan review for an addition to the existing dwelling by staff. The applicant

[0:40:36] Voice 1: has confirmed that the eave for the proposed addition will not encroach more than one meter

[0:40:41] Voice 1: into the interior side lot line which has been noted on the site plan that was included in the

[0:40:46] Voice 1: staff report um and the neighbor during the site visit uh the neighbor met with us uh on the on

[0:40:52] Voice 1: the side where the encroachments are and confirmed he has no issue with minor encroachments um the

[0:40:59] Voice 1: impact of this variance is minor as there is minimal visual disturbance um and besides the

[0:41:04] Voice 1: wanted uh submission and support no other submissions were received for this application

[0:41:08] Voice 1: um yeah so given above it's recommended that the main island ltc approve issuance of dvp

[0:41:14] Voice 1: application MADVP 2022.4 and so the applicant is available here remotely to answer any questions

[0:41:21] Voice 1: LTC might have and then the owner I believe is there in the audience with you.

[0:41:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): Great thank you

[0:41:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): so much. It's

[0:41:33] Voice 7: always nice when you have a good neighbor. We're just here to answer questions and

[0:41:36] Voice 7: Mike and Audrey

[0:41:38] Voice 13: supported

[0:41:39] Voice 7: it with the letter. Yeah which

[0:41:40] Voice 7: is perfect. So

[0:41:41] Voice 13: that's a new

[0:41:44] Voice 13: so i'll move that the mainland local trust committee approved issuance of development

[0:41:48] Voice 13: variance permit application madbp 2022.4

[0:41:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): and i

[0:41:56] Voice 13: just want to say i mean variances are just

[0:41:58] Voice 13: that's what they're there for people don't always understand they're not punitive and as long as

[0:42:03] Voice 13: they don't encroach or upset the neighbors sort of joy of treatment enjoyment of their own property

[0:42:09] Voice 13: it's just the way the rules are written up

[0:42:12] Voice 4: and they

[0:42:13] Voice 13: weren't made by the trust either most of

[0:42:15] Voice 13: them came from the old crd bylaws oh yes yeah those ones definitely a lot of properties don't

[0:42:23] Voice 13: seem to have variances rather than conformity right well it's a lot

[0:42:27] Voice 13: well it's really hard

[0:42:28] Voice 13: it's it is

[0:42:29] Voice 13: it's tough for sure

[0:42:31] Voice 7: they originally cited the house really like in an odd manner

[0:42:35] Voice 7: on the on the site so yeah i

[0:42:37] Voice 7: created it well

[0:42:38] Voice 13: and of course in the in those days when that

[0:42:40] Voice 13: house was built you didn't need a survey yeah either so right it's a huge issue

[0:42:47] Trustee Elliott (probable): okay uh so we've got a motion on the floor is there

[0:42:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): any further discussion

[0:42:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): oh all those in favor and that is carried you know i'm so glad you're keeping up okay thank you very

[0:42:56] Voice 7: much

[0:42:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): for

[0:42:58] Voice 11: us

[0:42:59] Voice 7: all i'm concerned is now i'm worried about the crd after

[0:43:02] Voice 7: oh good

[0:43:05] Voice 11: luck yeah okay

[0:43:07] Voice 7: thank you very much thank

[0:43:08] Voice 11: you thank you would

[0:43:09] Voice 7: love to stay but

[0:43:13] Voice 7: we're

[0:43:14] Voice 11: chugging pretty fast

[0:43:15] Voice 11: we'll

[0:43:16] Voice 7: put our chairs away too

[0:43:18] Voice 7: leave us all alone

[0:43:29] Voice 11: little amount of schedule

[0:43:32] Voice 11: so we're going to take a deep breath

[0:43:37] Trustee Elliott (probable): life

[0:43:37] Voice 13: isn't that easy

[0:43:38] Voice 13: this is

[0:43:40] Trustee Elliott (probable): the meaty portion

[0:43:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): portion of our agenda and housing options staff report which I have to say I'm very impressed

[0:43:50] Voice 14: when other people other trustees from other islands have commended this report

[0:43:55] Voice 11: going wow

[0:43:57] Voice 11: you're very lucky main island so I'm really lucky you're going to do this today thank you thank you

[0:44:09] Voice 13: Yeah, so this report does a few things. I mean, one of the things that sort of lay out a bit of the background of some things that have happened on my island, I thought we've had a lot of discussion about housing. So this is an opportunity to kind of land a little bit of the ideas and

[0:44:25] and

[0:44:25] Voice 13: the assumptions that we've been having

[0:44:27] Voice 13: to move to the next step.

[0:44:30] Voice 13: So there's been background of what's happened before.

[0:44:33] Voice 13: There's sort of a identification of housing needs

[0:44:37] Voice 13: based on some of the newly available specifics,

[0:44:41] Voice 13: as well as some of the former ones.

[0:44:44] Voice 13: And so again, it's sort of landing that information.

[0:44:47] Voice 13: And then it presents a list of options

[0:44:53] Voice 13: for the OCP and the LEB to move forward.

[0:44:56] Voice 13: So I think, and then a bit of a,

[0:45:02] Voice 13: and then it identifies some steps forward from here.

[0:45:06] Voice 13: So I'm thinking, you know,

[0:45:09] Voice 13: a good portion of this conversation could be

[0:45:12] Voice 13: just having a look at,

[0:45:15] Voice 13: discussing a little bit about what the LTC's ideas

[0:45:18] Voice 13: moving forward are.

[0:45:19] Voice 13: There are a number of,

[0:45:20] Voice 13: um i can go i'll go through the various options for the ocp and the land use pilot and we've had

[0:45:28] Voice 13: there's also some you know conversation around um uh existing land um so i'll just i think i'll

[0:45:36] Voice 13: i'll move i think we all understand the need pretty much it's going to be laid out so i don't

[0:45:40] Voice 13: need to go through that but i'll start through the sort of housing options piece yeah so one

[0:45:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): of the things did you get a coffee there's another coffee

[0:45:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): story is

[0:45:49] Voice 13: that the missing one yeah oh there

[0:45:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): you go i

[0:45:51] Voice 14: didn't realize i

[0:45:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): was

[0:45:54] Voice 14: like why do i have to this is page 48 it's here um 44. sorry because

[0:46:01] Voice 14: it's really easier you need to be following along there's a lot of information i

[0:46:05] Trustee Maude: came in and had it

[0:46:06] Trustee Maude: memorized yeah good

[0:46:08] Voice 14: okay yeah

[0:46:09] Voice 13: so you know um what's interesting uh in this whole discussion

[0:46:13] Voice 13: is that in part because I'm also working on the regional planning team and also looking ahead at

[0:46:20] Voice 13: sort of a more original approach and how we use language around

[0:46:24] Voice 14: housing I

[0:46:25] Voice 13: think what we do need

[0:46:27] Voice 13: to be talking about is housing need because sometimes we're talking about affordable housing

[0:46:31] Voice 13: but

[0:46:31] Voice 9: housing need

[0:46:33] Voice 13: is I think more appropriate because in some cases yes it is affordable

[0:46:36] Voice 13: housing more affordable housing but I think when we're speaking to some of the interests of some

[0:46:41] Voice 13: than the seniors um it's not necessarily uh afforded there are

[0:46:47] Voice 13: people with money that also

[0:46:49] Voice 13: yes i don't have housing that uh that meets the needs on the islands um so you know certainly

[0:46:56] Voice 13: there's been an increase in in family based on statistics there's been an increase in in families

[0:47:01] Voice 13: and um what i'm understanding is used some of the information that was provided by

[0:47:06] Voice 13: in a society around the uh the survey that they did um on the needs and there are families that

[0:47:12] Voice 13: are in need of um more affordable housing their seniors that are needed both affordable and just

[0:47:18] Voice 13: down basic downsizing right um um there there is over 30 percent um of the of the community that

[0:47:28] Voice 13: um that are paying more than or just over 30 cents that are paying more of their um their their

[0:47:39] Voice 13: their income on housing or they're in housing that's unsuitable and this is just based on

[0:47:44] Voice 13: statistics um i think there's been a lot of talk about in the community about the challenge to

[0:47:51] Voice 13: to support services without having to build housing.

[0:47:57] Voice 13: There's a need for subsidized renter housing,

[0:48:02] Voice 13: subsidized owner housing, if you can just define it.

[0:48:05] Voice 13: We've had some conversations with Habitat for Humanity,

[0:48:07] Voice 13: that could be an option for the community.

[0:48:10] Voice 13: And mostly, and this would go for all islands,

[0:48:15] Voice 13: is the need to have a variety and a mix of housing.

[0:48:19] Voice 13: And that's really what the goal of the LTC is right it's about land use and it's about it's about facilitating the ability for the land we have to support the variety of different options that are

[0:48:34] Voice 13: there for the community with with the the interest of of of

[0:48:42] Voice 13: um the environment and the environment's ability to support the community and that's what i think

[0:48:48] Voice 13: that the flexible housing that we recently went through really did um focus on so it's having that

[0:48:55] Voice 13: lens and um um i think there's the opportunity to to bring a little bit more analysis for interest

[0:49:02] Voice 13: in in terms of impact we use the maps related to groundwater in that instance for flexible

[0:49:07] Voice 13: housing to identify the areas where the groundwater would be less vulnerable to having additional

[0:49:13] Voice 13: medicinal density um and there is the opportunity to have a look at some of the sensitive ecosystem

[0:49:17] Voice 13: mapping that the conservancy has bring that into the conversation as well in terms of identifying

[0:49:23] Voice 13: what i like what i'm turning in this um report and i think um we'll be encouraging as a term

[0:49:30] Voice 13: that we use um on a regional level is suitable land and suitable land being land that is that can

[0:49:39] Voice 13: can carry a little more density without having a serious impact on water resources or um you know

[0:49:46] Voice 13: on the on the environment in general so

[0:49:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): so can i ask a question at this point so this term suitable

[0:49:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): land i haven't um heard of it presumably there'd have to be context and the local specific and

[0:50:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): just terms of reference like what

[0:50:02] Voice 14: is suitable that's

[0:50:03] Voice 13: what we have to talk about and that's

[0:50:04] Voice 14: i think that's

[0:50:05] Voice 13: a conversation for right for regional planning committee

[0:50:07] Voice 14: okay um because

[0:50:08] Voice 13: that also includes uh uh you know for the flex housing we used a little bit of analysis that

[0:50:14] Voice 13: included uh proximity to amenities um you know it's been identified that you know proximity to

[0:50:22] Voice 13: vary is a consider and also um and also in some islands it's not necessarily proximity to the

[0:50:30] Voice 13: amenities that seem to be um obvious um but it's actually proximity to community right so um it may

[0:50:39] Voice 13: vary on different islands but where the most suitable areas for additional density are what

[0:50:45] Voice 13: we know is we don't want to be placed where there's saltwater intrusion or there's no water

[0:50:50] Voice 13: out in the middle of nowhere that's probably across across islands so it's really finding what

[0:50:56] Voice 13: the area is and like i said like main island with flexible island we've already sort of moved

[0:51:00] Voice 13: forward a little bit with understanding a bit of that i think we could do we could add a few more

[0:51:04] Voice 13: pieces into that analysis and um it wouldn't be it wouldn't be too difficult for us to do but i

[0:51:10] Voice 13: definitely think that's an important step in this whole process okay i didn't mean to stop you but

[0:51:15] Voice 13: no that was a really good question really good question um and so i i think for for maine and

[0:51:23] Voice 13: for other islands uh like there for maine island there already is land that has been

[0:51:29] Voice 13: zoned so that's that's so it's already been identified through uh a rezoning process in

[0:51:37] Voice 13: the past to have been suitable right right so so looking at that land and potentially

[0:51:43] Voice 13: potentially, obviously connecting with the property owners, and we've talked about in this report, I identify the Anglican Church land on Georgia Point Road, that's already zoned for eight duplexes, for seniors housing, that's an option to have a conversation to see what the possibilities with that land are.

[0:52:12] Voice 13: um and then there's the naylor road property which has um significant density um in in the zoning

[0:52:20] Voice 13: um so that'll be something to look at um you know i've mentioned in the report that the process of

[0:52:27] Voice 13: main island housing society has gone through is essentially identifying suitable land which

[0:52:33] Voice 13: ultimately been almost almost the big zoning has been approved but we're just waiting for

[0:52:39] Voice 13: the ministry and i have checked in and i will check in again on that yeah so hopefully my next

[0:52:46] Voice 13: my next ltc meeting i can come back but we'll see um um so those are just sort of some initial

[0:52:57] Voice 13: things to think about right um and the

[0:52:59] Voice 13: the other so the ocp policies and the land use um

[0:53:05] Voice 13: by-law options, they generally speak to the options that are, are increasing the density.

[0:53:15] Voice 13: So, um, that's on page 48

[0:53:18] Voice 3: and 49. Okay.

[0:53:21] Voice 13: That was a really helpful table.

[0:53:23] Voice 13: Yeah. So, I mean, where this comes from is we've done, um, we, so myself and, and, um,

[0:53:30] Voice 13: Jason Yeomans has been brought back with some funding that was retained from last year's RPC

[0:53:39] Voice 13: budget that we were able to bring him to help us to go through all of the all of the reports

[0:53:47] Voice 13: that have been done on housing and putting up Indiana's trusts that are in our in our system

[0:53:53] Voice 13: they're mainly ones that we haven't seen but they date back to 1994. there's 30 plus of them so

[0:54:01] Voice 13: What Jason's been able to do for us is review those and bring together all of the options that have been identified that are possible from a land use perspective, put those in a list.

[0:54:15] Voice 13: And so I've had a review of those lists and thought about it in the main island context,

[0:54:21] Voice 3: and

[0:54:22] Voice 13: those are the options that you see in front of you.

[0:54:27] Voice 13: So, I mean, there may be other options that I've missed. So this isn't necessarily seen as an exhaustive or exact list, but this covers, again, we have the exhaustive list.

[0:54:42] Voice 13: If there's interest in having a look at that, like certainly I can bring that forward. But again, I looked at that and then I thought about the context and that's what you see before you hear.

[0:54:57] Voice 13: um so in terms of ocp policies it's really a lot to do with kind of um relaxing the policies to

[0:55:06] Voice 13: enable um more um opportunities so um you know the first option there allowing rezoning for non-market

[0:55:15] Voice 13: housing in all land use days of nations so you know thinking there is um you know what if um

[0:55:24] Voice 13: cod wants to have their um their parks caretaker live in that park for example right i mean right

[0:55:30] Voice 13: now parks don't permit right residents so that would be you know and then the i mean the lcd

[0:55:38] calls can be fairly explicit

[0:55:40] Voice 13: if you know it needs to be and restrictive it needs to be right um like

[0:55:45] Voice 13: you know in terms of parks you don't want to have i mean however

[0:55:48] Voice 13: you wanted to um having um um

[0:55:52] Voice 13: um non-market housing in uh you know commercial area we we uh maine already has some of that um

[0:56:02] Voice 13: establishing policies for rezoning for tiny home and and our rv villages that doesn't exist

[0:56:09] Voice 13: so if there's opportunity for that that those changes would need to be made

[0:56:15] Voice 13: um developing tup guidelines for rvs and tiny homes so tiny tiny homes there are a number of

[0:56:21] Voice 13: of small communities in BC that have allowed tiny homes

[0:56:25] Voice 13: to temporary use permit.

[0:56:28] Voice 13: So that, you know, again, if you wanted to entertain that,

[0:56:32] Voice 13: then, you know, developing some guidelines

[0:56:35] Voice 13: would be helpful.

[0:56:38] Voice 13: Requiring workforce housing as a condition of rezoning

[0:56:41] Voice 13: for all commercial and institutional industrial purposes.

[0:56:45] Voice 13: And, you know, so places like Tofino and Ukelet,

[0:56:52] Voice 13: you know specifically um pretty much every business yeah um they have to provide housing

[0:56:59] Voice 13: you know unfortunately i feel like that's the way things are but we did do that with our

[0:57:05] Voice 13: you did

[0:57:06] Trustee Elliott (probable): that we have done that you are leading the way yeah

[0:57:08] Voice 13: yeah i did that a long

[0:57:10] Voice 13: time ago but

[0:57:11] Voice 13: that's for the new yeah new zoning that's exactly but i agree

[0:57:15] Voice 13: absolutely yeah any any proposals so

[0:57:18] Voice 13: would require that absolutely so

[0:57:21] Voice 4: i put the

[0:57:21] Voice 13: review of the definition of affordable housing in here

[0:57:24] Voice 13: because we did get hung up a little bit on that um understanding that in this environment um

[0:57:31] Voice 13: you do need to in a lot of cases have a mix of market and affordable in order to have the

[0:57:38] Voice 13: affordable so that would be

[0:57:40] Voice 13: something to have a look at um uh including schedule maps identifying

[0:57:45] Voice 13: find the land more suitable so that's where we could bring in we could actually have the maps

[0:57:50] Voice 13: that we've used in flexible housing for example um that show basically where the the no-go areas

[0:57:56] Voice 13: were like most vulnerable areas so you can just be like not there so if a rezoning uh opportunity

[0:58:04] Voice 13: or proposal comes through it'll be easy to say no we can't do it here because this is the area

[0:58:09] Voice 13: that's been defined um

[0:58:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): can i ask about the itc mapping um of sensitive ecosystems have they

[0:58:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): comprehensively mapped so that's something that i need to explore a

[0:58:20] Voice 13: little bit more because i

[0:58:21] Voice 13: didn't know if

[0:58:22] Voice 13: they had done like residential zoned areas or yeah like

[0:58:25] Voice 13: so there's some um

[0:58:26] Voice 13: like forest contiguous contiguous forests yeah yeah yeah so there are elements and i still don't

[0:58:35] Voice 13: know exactly how i haven't looked at them to see how we can use them yet but that's something that

[0:58:40] Voice 13: definitely yeah that's part of the process yeah um um allowing strata subdivisions

[0:58:48] Voice 13: accessory dwelling units so um again coming back to the flexible housing example we're allowing

[0:58:54] Voice 13: additional dwelling units and that's a way to um um to facilitate more affordable ownership

[0:59:02] Voice 13: um and you know i mean there are there are potentially can be challenges i guess with um

[0:59:09] Voice 3: in

[0:59:10] Voice 13: a rural context um because because of the in an urban context the services are provided

[0:59:17] Voice 13: by the

[0:59:18] Voice 13: municipality right

[0:59:19] Voice 11: so in a rural

[0:59:20] Voice 13: context so

[0:59:21] Voice 11: if you were to build a

[0:59:22] Voice 13: duplex for instance

[0:59:23] Voice 13: yes yeah yeah and that was sold as a strata but then we don't know what the what the septic

[0:59:30] Voice 13: requirements would be yeah

[0:59:31] Voice 10: so if you had

[0:59:33] Voice 13: like say you had three or two even two units on a property

[0:59:36] Voice 13: so the difference between every client like one of the big differences would be that um um you're

[0:59:43] Voice 13: not look you're looking after your own services right yeah yeah so that to make sure that night

[0:59:48] Voice 13: how do you do that how do you manage that in terms of the ownership

[0:59:55] Voice 13: that we did have properties with shared wealth yeah

[0:59:58] Voice 4: so it might be

[1:00:01] Voice 13: So, and just a question with regard to drafting policy

[1:00:06] Trustee Elliott (probable): options that are prescriptive versus describing what you want.

[1:00:12] Trustee Elliott (probable): So in this particular case, what you just described was in cases where, let's say there's a well on a shared property in there, then this is possible.

[1:00:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): So then you don't have to do the decisions that have already been made, but you're not

[1:00:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): applying it necessarily broad scale to every zoning or every type of zoning.

[1:00:37] Voice 13: So describing the case in which this would apply, that's the appropriate, okay, thanks.

[1:00:47] Voice 13: There's allowing density transfer, and I'm not sure exactly how that would work on Maine.

[1:00:53] Voice 13: i think it's been maybe discussed before yeah well we haven't got a lot of

[1:00:58] Voice 13: undeveloped densities per se

[1:01:00] Voice 13: so i don't you know it's the concept's great i wouldn't spend a lot

[1:01:04] Voice 13: of time on it because we don't have that many yeah um a few places that have heavy density

[1:01:10] Voice 13: um are specifically at campbell bay road already so i think there should be a note about it it

[1:01:16] Voice 13: would spend a lot of time yes yeah but

[1:01:18] Trustee Maude: it does it does hold it like we saw this tournament that park

[1:01:21] Trustee Maude: with the um land trust by that park and they took the density

[1:01:28] Voice 13: transfer to another one

[1:01:30] Trustee Maude: and there was some cash change it sort of enabled something else to happen but

[1:01:35] Voice 13: the majority of the

[1:01:35] Voice 13: properties that we have left that are not currently subdivided have maybe one or two densities because

[1:01:41] Voice 13: because of their zoning which is largely absent so if you actually looked

[1:01:44] Voice 13: at a map if you subdivide

[1:01:46] Voice 13: though would that change things like if you went with allow

[1:01:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): smaller lot subdivision then if you

[1:01:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): were creating a density bank because say if

[1:01:55] Voice 13: somebody wants to put a covenant on that second

[1:01:57] Voice 13: but if somebody's going to go and subdivide right now yeah and

[1:02:01] Voice 13: they've only got two densities

[1:02:02] Voice 13: then their option then if they want more densities would become back under the amenity rezoning

[1:02:09] Voice 13: mean density and then they

[1:02:10] Voice 4: would be asking for

[1:02:11] Voice 13: more densities so you could put language in there

[1:02:14] Voice 13: that say that would encourage inappropriate places to do that yeah that's in the that's

[1:02:20] Voice 13: but it's not like we have a whole bunch of property city out there

[1:02:24] Voice 13: with unrealized density

[1:02:26] Voice 13: yeah so we're pretty much a build out okay that's so what we really want to do is look for places to

[1:02:34] Voice 13: increase density but it's smaller smaller within areas that can handle the impact

[1:02:39] Voice 3: it's a

[1:02:40] Voice 13: donation of land yeah yeah yeah more so more so here so that would be more appropriate

[1:02:47] Voice 13: for for me um so that's that's that other point that next point which is that

[1:02:54] Voice 13: yeah that permitting zoning so that's basically allowing additional lots in exchange for

[1:03:04] Voice 13: and that's certainly something that's that we certainly should be looking at yeah and then um

[1:03:11] Voice 13: another one here is to allow for smaller lots subdivisions so right now um there are minimum

[1:03:17] Voice 13: parcel sizes um and this this sort of thing may may also be appropriate in the habitat for

[1:03:24] Voice 13: humanity where they feel a bit um uncomfortable with taking on like a whole big piece a whole

[1:03:33] Voice 13: cold uh acre after you know the only thing i want to say is my understanding is well we have some

[1:03:41] Voice 13: properties that can go to a minimum of an acre that v hop in order to get your septic permit

[1:03:47] Voice 13: it requires a much larger partial yeah

[1:03:51] Voice 9: so in fact here yeah

[1:03:52] Voice 13: yeah so so that's the other trade-off

[1:03:55] Voice 13: yeah this is what septic requires so you may need that um but no though now it's switched over more

[1:04:02] Voice 13: sewage treatment plants so right yeah so that would be something to explore yeah so the language

[1:04:08] Voice 13: you have to think through what what the language around that would be but those are sort of some

[1:04:13] Voice 13: of the options for OCP, and then the land use by-law options basically reflect some of those OCP, so it's that subdivision density bonus, so you could, that's where you're allowing the introduction of permitting that additional density, so it's like,

[1:04:36] Voice 13: you know, you allow

[1:04:37] Voice 13: out one three additional lots one for a donation one right oh or two additional lots right so you

[1:04:45] Voice 13: have three total so you have a lot i mean similar to what society did for that precedent yeah um

[1:04:53] Voice 13: so you could you could think about doing some targeted rezoning so um we're growing properties

[1:05:07] Voice 13: I'm looking at rezoning to meet existing need. I mean, you'd want to engage the property owners because that's just the right thing to do.

[1:05:23] Voice 13: You could amend to allow for small scale.

[1:05:27] Voice 13: That's, that's what we're talking about so you could actually be very specific and we talked about.

[1:05:32] Voice 13: you know there are potential properties on the island that where you could be very targeted and

[1:05:39] Voice 13: just zone to allow for that straight off so that the property owner themselves wouldn't have to go

[1:05:46] Voice 13: through that process themselves and that could be done you know if you if you identify a number of

[1:05:52] Voice 13: lots um that particular um um regulation could be drafted so then my question is so for instance

[1:06:02] Voice 13: say we took a map and said you know everything along village bay road she let's check road all

[1:06:08] Voice 13: of which are large lots in our ocp these are areas that we could have higher density could be

[1:06:14] Voice 13: is that what we're referring to yeah

[1:06:16] Voice 13: you can say this in this this chunk of area

[1:06:20] Voice 13: um they could be allowed to read they could be allowed to subdivide um if they um you know if

[1:06:31] Voice 13: this sort of density illness scenario so we even lay it out in the ocp where these properties would

[1:06:39] Voice 13: be and still would

[1:06:40] Voice 13: require the owner to come back for a resume that's right okay okay that was sort

[1:06:44] Voice 13: like

[1:06:45] Trustee Maude: we did with

[1:06:45] Voice 13: the commercial yeah okay okay because to me that's now is the time to identify

[1:06:50] Voice 13: so right now they would have the reason to subdivide right you could you could pre-zone

[1:06:55] Voice 13: to allow okay okay i guess that's what i kind of was thinking yeah

[1:06:58] Voice 12: so you can that we should

[1:06:59] Voice 13: be targeting we should be actually looking at our maps looking at which areas make sense

[1:07:04] Voice 13: for more density and we should be probably getting ready to do something like that

[1:07:12] Voice 13: That doesn't mean they're going to, because subdivision process is still expensive.

[1:07:17] Voice 13: Exactly, but they would skip.

[1:07:19] Voice 13: So if you pre-zone to allow for the subdivision, they would skip over the red zone.

[1:07:24] Voice 12: Because all

[1:07:24] Voice 13: of the Village Bay on the south side, you know, all the homes are at the top

[1:07:30] Voice 13: and there's all that area at the bottom along the

[1:07:32] Voice 13: Village Bay Road.

[1:07:33] Voice 13: Yeah, and I mean, if you're going to do that in a large scale, you definitely have to look at the maps.

[1:07:39] Voice 1: oh

[1:07:39] Voice 13: yeah and the property and

[1:07:41] Voice 1: the community in terms

[1:07:43] Voice 13: of and then it's something like that then

[1:07:45] Voice 13: but could you put a cap on building sizes and number of yeah okay you can do yeah okay okay

[1:07:52] Voice 13: um that's good um yeah yeah so there's also you know you can leave them there's some

[1:07:57] Voice 13: rural lots that are really you know across the road from split up several more residential

[1:08:04] Voice 13: essentially these own those to allow for smaller lots okay so really when we get to that stage so

[1:08:10] Voice 13: i mean it would have to be like a community information meeting and discussion and invite

[1:08:15] Voice 13: the property owners in yeah because there you're um you're potentially allowing a subdivision

[1:08:25] Voice 13: um too small to small so you're creating

[1:08:30] Voice 13: like quite a lot more yes yes

[1:08:32] Voice 13: yes so it has to be

[1:08:33] Voice 13: kind of a balance of yeah

[1:08:37] Voice 1: like all of these things

[1:08:38] Voice 4: would have to

[1:08:38] Voice 13: be done like you know

[1:08:39] Voice 13: really looking at the map closely and identifying the areas where uh it makes sense yes okay um

[1:08:48] Voice 13: there's some of the sort of lower hanging fruit as you you know you can see is sort of the

[1:08:53] Voice 13: permitting the secondary suites in all residents the dental zone areas so right now they're not

[1:08:58] Voice 13: permitted in the water districts um and that would be you know i mean could do it right without

[1:09:06] Voice 13: having a conversation but it's very nice and i just want to say that's where they all are

[1:09:10] Voice 13: yeah all the non-permitted ones are in water districts that we have a lot

[1:09:14] Voice 13: so i think

[1:09:15] Voice 13: that that's something that we definitely and near the top of the is to

[1:09:20] Voice 13: actually go through and identify um where they are in which water districts and invite the

[1:09:26] Voice 13: water districts back and say well and pretty much

[1:09:29] Voice 13: yeah you've already got them and could we not

[1:09:31] Voice 13: within individual water districts could we not limit how many per water district so it wasn't

[1:09:36] Voice 13: everybody could we actually put some kind of you know to a maximum of five in your district or the

[1:09:41] Voice 13: water districts okay okay well there we

[1:09:45] Voice 13: go so that's another whole conversation because there

[1:09:49] Voice 13: are quite few yeah yeah of various stages yeah um yeah uh i've got expansions for uh

[1:10:01] Voice 13: again like if you want to look at lots of their

[1:10:05] Voice 13: five factors outside of the flexible building which is

[1:10:08] Voice 13: not necessarily again you know looking

[1:10:10] Voice 13: at the maps it may not it may not make sense to do that but again that may also be in the water

[1:10:15] Voice 13: district area we haven't really looked at the areas that are in the water distribution yet so

[1:10:22] Voice 13: um the expansion of flexible housing so yes at the time you were focused on smaller lots so you

[1:10:30] Voice 13: could look at doing it on larger lots and there were there are a number of places already in the

[1:10:34] Voice 13: areas that haven't been identified as being um um you know better but more suitable um um you

[1:10:45] Voice 13: could also you know we could deal with that and see if there were the other places i mean

[1:10:51] Voice 13: essentially we've got i mean all of these opportunities are really about looking at

[1:10:56] Voice 13: the map and looking at

[1:10:57] Voice 4: the sample

[1:10:58] Voice 13: areas so it's really like deciding what is going to make the

[1:11:01] Voice 13: most sense okay yeah um uh oh yeah allowing um all those to have some kind of right kinds of

[1:11:12] Voice 13: housing which is that whole idea of you know you have a residence in the park for example

[1:11:19] Voice 13: well and as a side i mean our commercial properties have always allowed for a residence

[1:11:25] Voice 13: because everybody that owned commercial had their house next door so or like service areas

[1:11:31] Voice 13: service areas for example that may be another yeah you know

[1:11:36] Voice 13: put apartments above the fire

[1:11:37] Voice 13: that's what

[1:11:38] Voice 13: i was thinking i mean don't they already have some kind of accommodation up

[1:11:50] Voice 13: Yeah, that's the kind of thing like, you know, if you, if you zone for this and then somehow

[1:11:55] Voice 13: but funding for housing about five miles comes up, then you know you're ready to go to

[1:12:02] Trustee Maude: school

[1:12:05] Voice 13: maybe not

[1:12:05] Voice 13: two properties

[1:12:06] Trustee Maude: yeah both

[1:12:07] Voice 13: residential yeah yeah okay um lots of

[1:12:12] Voice 13: exciting good stuff

[1:12:14] Voice 13: yeah so there's i got um you know donate to increase uh market scale density so that would be

[1:12:20] Voice 13: um you know looking at manufactured mobile market area

[1:12:23] Voice 13: that looks like it would be suitable you

[1:12:26] Voice 13: could um permit that as a use um multi-family inclusionary zoning so that inclusionary zoning

[1:12:34] Voice 13: zoning is where you look at a piece um zoning on a piece of property that maybe multifamily

[1:12:39] Voice 13: and you specify how much you want for um affordable so again i'm not sure it's

[1:12:45] Voice 3: gonna be a mix

[1:12:46] Voice 13: mix of housing yeah okay but there but there is a you do like you do have the ability to

[1:12:51] Voice 13: determine like you know if you want to specify specific so you know say well urban areas

[1:12:59] Voice 13: like apartments I know we're certain percentage

[1:13:02] Voice 3: all the time it's a very common we should be doing

[1:13:05] Voice 13: it that's common for all areas but just because of you know have the same density

[1:13:12] Voice 13: increasing building height stories again like in every specific places where you know you know

[1:13:19] Voice 13: maybe the fire hall I don't know what the height restriction over there is

[1:13:28] Voice 13: well it's actually it's zoned for that now

[1:13:31] Voice 3: because

[1:13:32] Voice 13: unfortunately it is so important

[1:13:34] Voice 13: because

[1:13:34] Voice 3: we changed it yeah

[1:13:35] Voice 13: yeah we basically in the commercial we added secondary suites

[1:13:39] Voice 13: about i

[1:13:40] Voice 3: know that some of

[1:13:40] Voice 13: it there were commercial areas

[1:13:49] Voice 13: um yeah requiring workforce housing um as a condition of commercial yeah i mean i think

[1:13:55] Voice 13: that's straight that's really straightforward well that

[1:13:57] Voice 13: should be like like the library yard

[1:13:59] Voice 13: for instance which is it's an area of size and should be pre-zoned for a certain amount of

[1:14:05] Voice 13: housing yeah yeah the space there to put some mobile homes in for sure so there's a lot of

[1:14:15] Voice 13: So the challenge will be to identify which options and I think again, the first step

[1:14:23] Voice 13: is to really understand the context.

[1:14:25] Voice 13: So revisit the maps, look at what other information we can be looking at in terms of those maps.

[1:14:32] Voice 13: and that will identify the the area on the island

[1:14:36] Voice 13: start focusing for the variety of options um and so this although this process is as we've

[1:14:48] Voice 13: discussed before um it would be a major project to do basically a housing overhaul of the ocp

[1:14:58] Voice 13: and the land use bylaws and so in terms of process um you know i i'm i'm suggesting you make like

[1:15:08] Voice 13: you decide how you like to engage the community when you feel like you need to have a meeting

[1:15:13] Voice 13: before developing a business case for this project and um i think there's that can be

[1:15:20] Voice 13: that could be like a community information to be it could be more targeted um engagement like

[1:15:26] Voice 13: there needs to be conversations with for example the water services right so that's what would be

[1:15:34] Voice 13: good to kind of get your ideas on how you'd like to engage the community before um before i'm able

[1:15:43] Voice 13: to sort of develop a project plan because that would be the next step is project plan

[1:15:49] Voice 13: and then a business case and then this would become a major project for next school so i

[1:15:55] Voice 13: really think number one is to meet with all the water districts they hold 1200 of our 1500 lots

[1:16:01] Voice 3: so

[1:16:02] Voice 13: that's a huge for to specifically target that group um to sort of get them on site and

[1:16:08] Voice 13: understanding what the housing issues are and that they're a key player in uh and you know i know

[1:16:14] Voice 13: they're all struggling with water so but it's still we need to start with them because if

[1:16:18] Voice 13: ultimately we decide we can't do anything within the water districts because they're in dire

[1:16:22] Voice 13: straits which is entirely possible i know they then

[1:16:26] Voice 13: at least we've done that stage and then we

[1:16:29] Voice 13: can move next to to the balance of the island and to people who are interested in you know what what

[1:16:35] Voice 13: what do you think we should be doing what you want to see i think it's sort of what you call a

[1:16:39] Voice 13: a visioning process where you sit then sit down with the maps of what's left on the island

[1:16:44] Voice 13: and then a community coming up with well these are the areas that we think should have more

[1:16:49] Voice 13: vaccines in other

[1:16:50] Voice 13: words it shouldn't be saint john or channel view at the end there it should

[1:16:54] Voice 13: obviously be within the major transportation corridors around the school etc so we could

[1:17:00] Voice 13: start with them and we could do like what we did before we were looking at secondary suites we just

[1:17:05] Voice 13: had an invite you know tea and coffee and muffins and conversation because there's about 12 i think

[1:17:13] Voice 13: in total maybe more water districts something

[1:17:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): you said earlier and i said i wondered if i

[1:17:19] Trustee Elliott (probable): by um to really identify the housing need now there has been conversations and multiple you

[1:17:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): know the need is well understood let's say um if you're if you're opening this up to the community

[1:17:35] Trustee Elliott (probable): again what would we be hoping to learn is my first question and um the second is if you actually

[1:17:44] Trustee Elliott (probable): divide so let's say if you had a community information meeting and say you know we're

[1:17:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): looking at these options rather than going after um let's pick from this menu what if you had people

[1:17:57] Voice 13: sort of go into groups depending on their their knowledge of the housing need let's say there's

[1:18:02] Voice 13: seniors

[1:18:03] Voice 14: or people over a certain age living in single-family dwellings or there's people that

[1:18:07] Voice 14: want intergenerational living there's a large family

[1:18:11] Voice 13: acreages and then you have them sort of

[1:18:14] Voice 13: brainstorm and look at this and go what approach from what we know of our needs of the community

[1:18:20] Voice 13: what approaches would would we want to tackle and then you could

[1:18:24] Voice 14: sort of evaluate um what's what's

[1:18:27] Voice 14: the most pressing need what's going to have the largest impact

[1:18:29] Voice 13: good yeah yeah i think that would

[1:18:32] Voice 13: come after the water district right yeah but i think that that is is a way to do set up set up

[1:18:38] Voice 13: groups but that that process could lead into months and months of community meetings

[1:18:42] Voice 13: and and not actually but we should give you know we should set it up that way to do that

[1:18:51] Voice 13: to

[1:18:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): see if we can get some good you can get like a really well

[1:18:54] Voice 13: advertised bring someone in to

[1:18:57] Voice 13: to lead that process

[1:18:58] Voice 14: to lead that process and have a very strategic like make it a half day event

[1:19:02] Voice 14: and get some food and make

[1:19:05] Trustee Elliott (probable): sure people feel comfortable they understand the questions and

[1:19:07] Voice 12: you're

[1:19:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): actually mining what is what is your current situation and then out of this what's

[1:19:12] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know how might this be applied so i don't know well

[1:19:15] Voice 13: because my opinion is the housing

[1:19:18] Voice 13: solution lies within the individual property owners and their willingness

[1:19:22] Voice 13: to either build

[1:19:23] Voice 13: that secondary suite yes cottage that show

[1:19:26] Voice 14: their property creating policies and nobody's actually

[1:19:29] Voice 14: gonna pick them up which is kind of what happened with our density bank on gabriella that policy's

[1:19:34] Voice 14: It's been an OCP

[1:19:35] Voice 14: for 20 years, right?

[1:19:39] Voice 14: And we finally had a

[1:19:40] Voice 14: half density donated

[1:19:41] Voice 14: because of a park, edge of a park

[1:19:44] Voice 14: that was finally

[1:19:44] Trustee Elliott (probable): donated back

[1:19:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): that was in a large acreage.

[1:19:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): And so, but that was an RDN sort

[1:19:50] Voice 14: of zoning,

[1:19:52] Voice 14: rezoning piece.

[1:19:53] Voice 14: So the density bank wasn't picked up.

[1:19:55] Voice 14: Right, no,

[1:19:56] Voice 14: and you're right.

[1:19:56] Voice 14: That's so creating policy

[1:19:58] Voice 13: that people are not ready to adopt.

[1:20:00] Voice 13: It's just chasing here.

[1:20:01] Voice 13: So yes, definitely.

[1:20:02] Voice 13: know yeah but the what the water districts are the first to because i'm almost certain the answer

[1:20:07] Voice 13: will be but we need to start with them well i mean

[1:20:10] Voice 13: that's about identifying your suitable land right

[1:20:13] Voice 13: because if they say well no way today well well and most of the water districts are i mean they're

[1:20:19] Voice 13: over developed in mostly small lots but this is that became more the secondary suites where

[1:20:24] Voice 13: they're already there once we've had that conversation then by going back to the

[1:20:28] Voice 13: the rest of the island then you at least know where the balance is in terms of the potential

[1:20:34] Voice 13: to increase density and what what people's what they would like to see yeah and then perhaps

[1:20:41] Voice 13: you'll discover somebody who's like oh well i didn't realize that i could you know i could

[1:20:46] Voice 13: facilitate because i have this location is ideal and the

[1:20:50] Voice 13: size is ideal and i'm in a financial

[1:20:53] Voice 13: potential position to

[1:20:54] Voice 3: create

[1:20:55] Voice 13: some housing for yeah because that would be the other thing that

[1:20:59] Voice 13: you would be minding too is people understanding yeah so I think I think like I think a big part

[1:21:04] of opinion

[1:21:04] Voice 13: information would really be about education yes and just saying this is a problem

[1:21:10] Voice 13: yes you know and you know there are people out there who don't know that there's a problem

[1:21:14] Voice 13: and they have the ability to address this problem then uh absolutely it's great right so yeah oh yeah

[1:21:21] Voice 13: that sounds that's good so yeah yeah

[1:21:25] Voice 13: and um i mean

[1:21:26] Voice 13: this is really i mean what's great about this is

[1:21:28] Voice 13: yes about maine is that like you are essentially leaders you've moved we're moving to the next

[1:21:34] Voice 13: phase the other islands are wondering what to do yeah so

[1:21:39] Voice 13: there's an opportunity to like demonstrate

[1:21:41] Voice 13: demonstrate like how to do it in a really clear way but um and uh and I think uh yeah just

[1:21:51] Voice 13: the community understand what's happening

[1:21:56] Voice 13: so but how that process is forwarded I think it makes a lot of sense to talk to the

[1:22:02] Voice 13: well some of the water that you know the event and it's kind of like when we tried to put

[1:22:05] Voice 13: wooddale into the flex area i mean realistically there are properties within the water districts

[1:22:12] Voice 13: that are of a reasonable size that could accommodate more than one dwelling under

[1:22:17] Voice 13: the terms of flex housing and that crd owns that water system which i'm told by the person who

[1:22:24] Voice 13: looks after that there's lots of water so there's also this balancing act between where truly they

[1:22:30] Voice 13: can't manage yes the extra

[1:22:31] Voice 13: water and some can't

[1:22:33] Voice 13: and never will and others could so but the nice

[1:22:37] Voice 13: the reason that's so important is because water is really hard expensive so if

[1:22:43] Voice 13: you are a property

[1:22:44] Voice 13: owner and you're in a water district then like deb's doing she's the last one in her district

[1:22:48] Voice 13: who's going to get to have a second dwelling on her 1.7 acres but if you're in a water district

[1:22:55] Voice 13: and you can you're saving yourself what i don't know 50 000 for a well for a well and yeah well

[1:23:02] Voice 12: i

[1:23:02] Voice 13: know it's a lot

[1:23:02] Voice 12: but that's about right if a

[1:23:07] Voice 12: septic costs 30 yeah

[1:23:08] Voice 13: well there's another whole

[1:23:10] Voice 13: issue the septic is like oh but so that's why water districts are key because if you could

[1:23:16] Voice 13: get a little bit of exudensity out of some of them um

[1:23:19] Voice 13: it is a more affordable alternative

[1:23:21] Voice 13: as well so and

[1:23:23] Voice 12: it could be an economies of scale thing if i was building a 646 square foot house

[1:23:29] Voice 12: which i'm allowed to do

[1:23:34] Voice 12: then then um you know be drawing a whole lot more water than a tiny home is going to draw

[1:23:41] Voice 12: yeah which

[1:23:42] Voice 13: is you know

[1:23:43] Voice 12: the the property is going to support one or two people

[1:23:47] Voice 13: not

[1:23:48] Voice 12: you know a family yeah

[1:23:49] Voice 13: so it's a i think that's yeah well that's it might have had some

[1:23:53] Voice 12: you know impact

[1:23:54] Voice 13: on that and that's the

[1:23:55] Voice 13: other issue with the water and water management water

[1:23:58] Voice 13: districts is you know if you're looking at the mega house you know it's versus two three little

[1:24:04] Voice 13: tv houses and with three tv toilets versus my mega house with six you know so this is the other thing

[1:24:11] Voice 13: within the water district so it needs to be a bit of give and take there too which last time around

[1:24:16] Voice 13: wasn't coming very

[1:24:17] Voice 14: so

[1:24:18] Voice 13: so let's let's you know maybe

[1:24:20] Voice 12: maybe what we're doing can set an example

[1:24:22] Voice 12: for water district property owners and water districts where you know there may be you know

[1:24:28] Voice 12: a level of concern but it it would you know be on that scale based on the size of the dwelling

[1:24:35] Voice 12: yeah

[1:24:35] Voice 13: and once they've once they've had that visit to see how it works and see and that goes back to

[1:24:41] Voice 13: this whole charrette idea is that and as i've said the only way you're going to get a lot more

[1:24:45] Voice 13: housing on the island is individual landowners creating spaces of some sort yeah it's not going

[1:24:52] Voice 13: to be the multi

[1:24:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): -family dwelling units and that's what we're seeing as well it's

[1:24:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): going to be

[1:24:57] Voice 13: individuals one at a time so here's another interesting sort of thing to think about how

[1:25:04] Voice 13: how this all ties in is so um CMHC is going to be announcing uh well they've just announced that

[1:25:12] Voice 13: this housing accelerator program um and they'll be taking uh applications in June um I've had

[1:25:21] Voice 13: some conversation with CMHC staff and I mean this is still um you know early days we haven't had a

[1:25:26] Voice 13: conversation with the regional planning committee yet about this at all um but one of the things

[1:25:32] Voice 13: So one of the things that makes a community more get more points is one is if they have a housing action plan, which I think we're almost there.

[1:25:48] Voice 13: yeah um and if they have targets and so the targets are related to the additional ability

[1:25:59] Voice 13: for housing right so and it's back to april 2022 so the densities that were achieved through the

[1:26:12] Voice 13: the main island housing society process and the densities that were achieved to deflect housing

[1:26:18] Voice 13: would be able to be included in the targets um for main island so as we go through the process

[1:26:27] Voice 13: you can also be thinking about like what additional opportunities are being created

[1:26:33] Voice 13: because those be considered if if um um you know if the trust council was moved forward with

[1:26:41] Voice 13: an application then the work that means that is demonstrating how all of the items could

[1:26:50] Voice 13: potentially project based on mains i

[1:26:54] Trustee Elliott (probable): see

[1:26:55] Voice 13: what you mean okay yeah so wait wait yeah i mean because

[1:27:03] Voice 13: without the word that means then we wouldn't have that well we didn't have that because we had a lot

[1:27:10] Voice 13: have help thank you

[1:27:11] Voice 14: wow

[1:27:13] Voice 13: it's all falling together well

[1:27:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): it's brilliant i love it it's wonderful

[1:27:17] Voice 13: that's

[1:27:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): so very exciting so i just have a quick question about some of the numbers um before we

[1:27:23] Trustee Elliott (probable): move on to the changes plus six percent private dwelling 706 and private household 760 and you

[1:27:34] Trustee Elliott (probable): said there's 1200 residents that the water district no no

[1:27:37] Voice 13: 1200 watts so roughly roughly

[1:27:40] Voice 13: so roughly we have 1500 watts right and roughly 1200 of them are in water districts okay so are

[1:27:47] Trustee Elliott (probable): served

[1:27:47] Voice 13: by water districts that's roughly that's the top of my head and i don't know if we have

[1:27:53] Voice 13: actually i know we could find out exactly how many are in water districts

[1:28:17] Voice 3: i was going to say

[1:28:19] Voice 13: rent's gone way up yeah

[1:28:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): rents are way up and the number of full-time

[1:28:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): residents is that gone up or down do we know

[1:28:26] Voice 13: it went way up 37 37 oh

[1:28:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): population change

[1:28:34] okay

[1:28:36] Voice 13: yeah maybe one of the fastest growing communities in canada

[1:28:40] Voice 13: it

[1:28:40] Voice 12: helps that we have a group of fertile families that are happily producing

[1:28:48] Voice 13: yeah

[1:28:52] oh

[1:28:53] Voice 12: no i know we've

[1:28:56] Voice 13: also had a shift more full-time

[1:29:02] Voice 13: recreational versus

[1:29:03] Voice 13: full-time so we definitely have more full-time now than recreational

[1:29:06] Voice 13: ratio. So that's been a shift. That's partially demographics,

[1:29:10] Voice 13: partly COVID drove them out of the city. And then

[1:29:14] Voice 13: a lot of

[1:29:14] Voice 13: commercial home, of course, makes a big difference. So

[1:29:19] Voice 13: but yeah, shelter costs are really high and property values

[1:29:23] Voice 13: have gone sky high.

[1:29:25] Voice 13: Well, it was just that was interesting when

[1:29:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): you get this

[1:29:27] Voice 13: property. So they fail to give you a median. Oh, and, and if

[1:29:31] Voice 13: you look at so um uh crd did a a market analysis on southern and maine is lower but some of the

[1:29:41] Voice 13: lowest cost housing is in wooddale of course which is you can't get a building yeah so

[1:29:48] Voice 4: so i would probably argue

[1:29:50] Voice 13: that we're actually maine is

[1:29:52] Voice 13: not much lower than the other yeah

[1:29:54] Voice 13: and and it's probably if you were to take out the wooddale property it would

[1:29:58] Voice 13: probably be higher

[1:30:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): So you've identified two sort of first steps, identifying suitable land and scoring opportunities with existing land, so is that sort

[1:30:13] Voice 13: of, yeah, what you consider the best approach at this point?

[1:30:21] Voice 13: well i think um yeah well i think certainly like um identifying super land is the key and i think

[1:30:27] Voice 13: i mean that's a really great point with the water districts i think um that is that that's part of

[1:30:33] Voice 13: the idea of super land right um i think the conversations with the property owners would

[1:30:37] Voice 13: be great good to have and this is also in the context of uh the possible um partnership with uh

[1:30:45] Voice 13: with habitat humanity right um so so habitat is interesting coming in in april

[1:30:54] Voice 13: so there's an opportunity to give them a little bit of explore and connect them with um those

[1:31:01] Voice 13: properties as well as um you know others where individuals maybe identify some potential so

[1:31:07] Voice 13: could we have like could we do like tour the few properties that we already know you know are

[1:31:13] Voice 13: zoned and some that are on the radar and then have like say it to 2 30 just to cut community

[1:31:20] Voice 13: information meeting where you could ask questions yeah i don't know

[1:31:24] Voice 13: what you should do first so

[1:31:25] Voice 13: that's up to you you can sort that out um yeah i

[1:31:28] Voice 13: mean it also it could be about so i think um

[1:31:32] Voice 13: it would be nice to introduce habitat to the community because they've got their whole process

[1:31:37] Voice 13: their whole um community vetting process they have to figure out you know if they're ready to

[1:31:44] Voice 13: have a conversation about what their process is yeah and we could i mean we can look you know we

[1:31:49] Voice 13: should look at the timing again it may not be able or maybe maybe you know um but i think that would

[1:31:54] Voice 13: be a good way to do it if we bring them to the island um to get that conversation because they've

[1:31:59] Voice 13: got their own they've got a whole survey process um and they're they would likely want to involve

[1:32:05] Voice 13: involved um yeah and helping society others in that in that um in that process potentially um

[1:32:12] Voice 13: so that would that could be something to think of

[1:32:15] Voice 13: as okay as i'm thinking more just a very general

[1:32:18] Voice 13: this is who we are this is what we do yeah you know we have you've come to me we you know looked

[1:32:24] Voice 13: at a few of your properties and look forward to future conversations so nothing hard and fast

[1:32:29] Voice 13: exactly but yeah

[1:32:31] Voice 13: just like

[1:32:31] Voice 1: who they are what they

[1:32:33] Voice 13: what their interests are and what their process is

[1:32:35] Voice 13: so if they so because they can start their process and like looking at um land having

[1:32:41] Voice 13: conversations um starting their survey process to see what families are available that can all

[1:32:48] Voice 13: be happening that's their process so that can all be happening while we're working while we're

[1:32:52] Voice 13: working to decide what the land use um things you know changes would be

[1:32:59] Voice 13: what's your project right right i mean your project will ultimately have to um if they're

[1:33:06] Voice 13: interested then you have to fast track some of it you might have some fast traffic yeah

[1:33:11] Voice 3: so

[1:33:12] Voice 13: they're also very patient oh okay they know that building and slow take a long time okay so

[1:33:20] Voice 13: So it wouldn't be in Russia or anything.

[1:33:22] Voice 13: But like I said, I think that that conversation

[1:33:25] Voice 13: can be happening as part of the sort of process.

[1:33:29] Voice 13: But we have a few properties that we know are there

[1:33:32] Voice 13: and that there is some interest.

[1:33:34] Voice 13: So I think we should

[1:33:35] Voice 3: sort

[1:33:36] Voice 13: of open up the conversation

[1:33:38] Voice 13: as soon as we can.

[1:33:39] Voice 3: Yeah, so I think

[1:33:40] Voice 13: the thing there will be just

[1:33:42] Voice 13: determining the date.

[1:33:44] Voice 13: As long as it's a Monday or Wednesday.

[1:33:46] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:33:47] Trustee Elliott (probable): so right now they can

[1:33:47] Voice 13: come on the 19th.

[1:33:49] Voice 13: all

[1:33:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): right which is the way you're meeting so the question would be an hour long meeting

[1:33:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): it's 10 30 to 11 30.

[1:33:55] Voice 13: okay it's not a it's not a full executive committee it's just the

[1:33:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): is it the latest from chelsea don't assume oh okay

[1:34:02] Voice 14: oh so you can be traveling over here

[1:34:06] Voice 13: okay so should i talk should i go back to um and see if they want to come for a full day do a bit

[1:34:14] Voice 13: of a tour and then we can organize a um uh like a community meeting related to and decide whether

[1:34:22] Voice 13: you want to go look at the prop a few properties you have in mind first and have the meaning you

[1:34:28] Voice 13: know 2 2 30 is probably yeah

[1:34:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): okay okay

[1:34:31] Voice 13: just to get a general sense of of the layout of the island

[1:34:34] Voice 13: okay yeah i'll follow up with them all right all right and i'll email you what we're about

[1:34:41] Voice 13: so you think the

[1:34:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): april cim the cim would be enabled sometime so so this is i think that

[1:34:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): that

[1:34:48] Voice 13: discussion is a little bit different than like sort of this broader so it sounds like

[1:34:53] Voice 13: there's a number of things here it's the discussion with habitat it's discussion with

[1:34:57] Voice 13: the water district yes and then it's another meeting with community which is maybe an

[1:35:01] Voice 13: education thing uh in addition to input gathering you know have have you assessed the need has the

[1:35:09] Voice 13: need being properly assessed

[1:35:11] Voice 3: for

[1:35:12] Voice 13: example or look

[1:35:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): at look at the options through the lens of people

[1:35:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): who are closest to the need exactly so even if you don't have like everybody in the community

[1:35:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): if you can do some work to seek out some representative sort of spoke people who've

[1:35:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): really been invested or you know it could be a focused group it's not just like open to everybody

[1:35:32] Voice 13: i don't know

[1:35:32] Voice 13: it's totally up to you yeah you know but i think it's going to come after you can have

[1:35:37] Voice 13: the medium of habitat for humanity you're going to try to arrange a meeting with your water districts

[1:35:42] Voice 13: so until you've done those two meetings i don't think there's any point in starting planning ahead

[1:35:48] Voice 13: for the community information i

[1:35:50] Voice 3: think

[1:35:51] Voice 13: that that's a few

[1:35:52] Voice 3: steps away um

[1:35:54] Voice 13: um so i mean you could you

[1:35:57] Voice 13: could have the community so what the target is to have a business case ready by the ltc

[1:36:05] Voice 13: the june end of june meeting yeah but

[1:36:07] Voice 13: because the it has to go yes right it has to go through the

[1:36:11] Voice 13: whole budget on the housing accelerator fund if you need a housing

[1:36:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): action plan oh yeah we might

[1:36:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): need to move that faster that fun because you're almost it sounds like you're

[1:36:23] Voice 13: almost there like

[1:36:23] Voice 14: the work that maine has already done yeah

[1:36:25] Voice 13: so it could be it could be that um so i thought

[1:36:29] Voice 13: But the May 2019 would be the project plan.

[1:36:33] Voice 13: So that could identify the thing.

[1:36:36] Voice 13: So what we could do is we could go to the community with a, I mean, this is a question.

[1:36:42] Voice 13: Do you want to go to the community before we have a project plan or do you want to have a project plan?

[1:36:48] Voice 13: I think you need a project plan.

[1:36:50] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:36:52] Voice 13: It's not Gabriel and there's not.

[1:36:54] Voice 13: and when we ran the housing options committee which was quite a few years ago there was like

[1:36:58] Voice 13: zero interest and you know and well there is a more interest now in housing it's not like you've

[1:37:04] Voice 13: got a whole i mean you've got main island housing who are here and will continue to be here um and

[1:37:10] Voice 13: you're going to have a few a few other groups um right but i i don't i mean people would be

[1:37:16] Voice 13: interested but it's not like we're going to get a major amount

[1:37:19] Voice 13: so the average person isn't really

[1:37:22] Voice 13: aware of that's right yeah not not in broader terms so you could we could have say a draft

[1:37:33] Voice 13: project plan by mid-may and then and then have a discussion about then by um by the end of may

[1:37:43] Voice 13: that's going to be able to endorse it and then that would that would basically be that what

[1:37:49] Voice 13: well we'll call it the housing action plan because yeah that's what uh that's the language of the

[1:37:58] Voice 13: okay and i think if you've got that then when you have your community information

[1:38:03] Voice 13: you'll have these bits and pieces to present to people so they'll have

[1:38:08] Voice 13: some idea of what

[1:38:09] Voice 13: because if you want a whole community a charade about housing i just don't know how focused it

[1:38:15] Voice 13: would actually be

[1:38:16] Voice 11: yeah and

[1:38:20] Voice 13: i'm listening to this and

[1:38:21] Voice 11: i'm thinking that that there's a lot of people

[1:38:24] Voice 11: talking about housing now has been for the last two and a

[1:38:27] Voice 11: half years um people have come out to

[1:38:30] Voice 11: the community meetings and both times housing has been an issue it's an issue in all the islands

[1:38:35] Voice 11: i would love to be able to see a charrette before

[1:38:39] Voice 13: the project plan is initiated so that we get to

[1:38:43] Voice 13: hear what people are saying we've heard in the last two and a half years all of the people the

[1:38:49] Voice 13: few people who are at the trust meetings

[1:38:52] Voice 11: talking about the project and there were there was lots of

[1:38:56] Voice 11: uh ideas about how to develop housing on

[1:38:59] Voice 13: the island that wasn't specifically about the project

[1:39:04] Voice 13: right right right and then those people it would be very useful to have those people be able to

[1:39:11] Voice 13: to speak in i like the idea of a charrette where you get people talking about how it goes not

[1:39:17] Voice 13: everybody understands the restrictions that are available and the that we're

[1:39:22] Voice 13: talking about here

[1:39:23] Voice 13: whether it's funding or the ocp or what's possible but uh i don't know the numbers of

[1:39:30] Voice 13: unhoused people but we know that there are unhoused people we know that there are there's

[1:39:37] Voice 13: an urgent need

[1:39:38] Voice 11: now that i'm talking there's an urgent need for some sort of uh some sort of

[1:39:46] Voice 11: remediation here so that we can build some housing for

[1:39:49] Voice 13: people who need housing not to wait till 2023

[1:39:52] Voice 13: 2024 so i would really urge some of this process to include some of those ideas and i know that at

[1:40:00] Voice 13: the community economic sustainability commission we are talking about them talking about things

[1:40:06] Voice 13: like temporary use permits to have tiny homes and and mobile homes to try to get people housed

[1:40:14] Voice 13: so i guess mike you're gonna hear all that stuff but who's gonna give you the land and going to

[1:40:22] Voice 13: get the permits and like it's not different if somebody come to the community and said

[1:40:28] Voice 13: you know which step is that um but i i mean people have lots of want to talk a lot about stuff

[1:40:34] Voice 13: stuff but

[1:40:34] Voice 13: i guess i'm at the point where until we actually see somebody with some action so we know

[1:40:39] Voice 13: there's you know property here there and everywhere but whether whether that's going to create

[1:40:44] Voice 13: somebody within that group who's going to say look i've got a spot i didn't know i could just

[1:40:50] Voice 13: get a temporary use permit and set up and then you've got the barriers crd vha

[1:40:56] Voice 3: you know we've

[1:40:57] Voice 13: gone through people phone me and they're like well i bought this property and no one told me

[1:41:00] Voice 13: me my septic was going to be fifty thousand dollars

[1:41:02] Voice 3: so

[1:41:03] Voice 13: so i so i know people would love to

[1:41:05] Voice 13: talk in generalities and that's why i'd rather have like a fixed format for people to actually

[1:41:11] Voice 13: talk about keep it focused on what would happen but there's nothing wrong we could set i don't

[1:41:17] Voice 13: know that we could set that up before the end of may and make it worthwhile because we're talking

[1:41:20] Voice 13: may 29th to have that have that all laid out so that's a dilemma to me

[1:41:25] Voice 3: um you know people

[1:41:27] Voice 13: i know meanwhile and all all that kind of stuff but there there are all those barriers so what

[1:41:32] Voice 13: we're doing is trying to make it as easy as possible but we're fighting with crd and vhoc

[1:41:38] Voice 13: too at the

[1:41:39] Voice 13: same time so is there a

[1:41:41] Voice 13: need in the community um to have that conversation and to

[1:41:46] Voice 13: to have to identify to have all of the those external things identified right

[1:41:54] Voice 13: so an opportunity for everybody to tell their story identify their needs

[1:42:00] Voice 1: focus on well the

[1:42:02] Voice 13: LTC can do these things these

[1:42:03] Voice 13: are the only things we can do

[1:42:05] Voice 1: and then

[1:42:06] Voice 13: there's all these other things

[1:42:08] Voice 13: right and that's the that's the end yeah and I

[1:42:11] Voice 13: like that idea because I feel at least

[1:42:13] Voice 13: at the end of the day it's what we can do rather than the bigger needs of the community of things

[1:42:21] Voice 13: that we i mean we're trying we're going to try to hide our way

[1:42:24] Voice 13: through so so there could be um

[1:42:27] Voice 13: you could create an opportunity where you do have that it's very the conversation can go all over

[1:42:35] the place but then it can be just focused on like well this is the piece that that is ltc

[1:42:43] Voice 13: and then these are the other pieces that are potentially advocacy pieces right like um

[1:42:48] Voice 13: talking to bc housing about you know funding these small products

[1:42:52] Voice 13: i mean there's a number of things those can also be part of the community's housing action plan

[1:42:59] Voice 13: but that's not the piece that we have there are pieces

[1:43:02] Voice 13: that that that um you know folks

[1:43:05] Voice 13: like the mean island housing society the economic the other um community or designing the future of

[1:43:12] Voice 13: main island design

[1:43:13] Voice 12: the future of main island

[1:43:15] Voice 13: the economic development oh the community economic

[1:43:17] Voice 13: sustainability commission there are a number of

[1:43:19] Voice 13: things that can be taken by other groups to do

[1:43:22] Voice 13: to take on

[1:43:23] Voice 11: work on some of

[1:43:23] Voice 13: those aspects there are maybe also elements um you know there's other

[1:43:28] Voice 13: housing options that aren't things that the ltc um can are responsible with like you know home

[1:43:36] Voice 13: sharing yeah

[1:43:37] Voice 4: like other things that

[1:43:38] Voice 14: may come up in conversation with the community so there could

[1:43:41] Voice 13: be value in having that greater conversation and providing the opportunity for those idea that to

[1:43:48] Voice 13: be landed in the document part of which is going to inform the um the the business case um for the

[1:43:56] Voice 13: larger project

[1:43:57] Voice 3: right that's the land use project

[1:43:59] Voice 13: and then the other pieces are are um to be

[1:44:04] Voice 13: identified how you know how to go about that can be

[1:44:08] Voice 3: discussed

[1:44:10] Voice 13: so going back to so i can see us as

[1:44:14] Voice 13: an ltc having you know a community conversation about housing focused on the areas that we

[1:44:22] Voice 13: have jurisdiction the problem i have

[1:44:23] Voice 13: is a lot of people understand right we're

[1:44:25] Voice 13: not a municipality

[1:44:27] Voice 3: and

[1:44:27] Voice 13: we talk about tiny homes and temporary use permit for a tight mobile home park

[1:44:31] Voice 13: or you got the money for the septic system and the water system so you know these things all

[1:44:36] Voice 13: sound great everybody's got this oh i have a solution and the solution unfortunately doesn't

[1:44:41] Voice 13: tie into funding to do

[1:44:43] Voice 13: that i mean in this community at that meeting i know there's a lot

[1:44:46] Voice 13: of people that have been engaged in housing in all kinds of ways so that could also be an

[1:44:51] Voice 13: opportunity for um you know the former what is he bc housing guy um oh that uh yeah you know

[1:45:00] Voice 13: know there's a whole bunch of them that there's a oh you have expertise

[1:45:03] Voice 11: you

[1:45:04] Voice 13: know there's a lot of great minds and so that could be the opportunity for those people to also

[1:45:19] Voice 13: point out some of the the realities right

[1:45:20] Voice 1: so i would

[1:45:21] Voice 13: let you they know what they are so it's more

[1:45:23] Voice 13: of a conversation about housing in general yeah what what some of the challenges are the things

[1:45:29] Voice 13: that can be because this is I mean what falls to you you're supposed to be able to fix everything

[1:45:33] Voice 13: you can't yeah you can't you're like the land you see is just a sliver it's a sliver and you know

[1:45:42] Voice 1: as I've

[1:45:42] Voice 13: articulated in this report it's about providing the options and the opportunities for

[1:45:48] Voice 13: the other things to happen the other things need to happen in different ways and a lot of it a lot

[1:45:53] Voice 13: of its money a lot of its like partnerships flexibility with with um um building permits

[1:46:00] Voice 13: so going back to this community meeting i mean can we do that in may 29th

[1:46:06] Voice 13: like we

[1:46:07] Voice 14: could do it

[1:46:08] Voice 13: we could we could do it i think we push it and try to squeeze it in before

[1:46:12] Voice 13: may 20th you could do it on may 20th

[1:46:14] Voice 14: well then let's just do that do that

[1:46:15] Voice 13: and and get it it's

[1:46:17] Voice 13: the start of the conversation you could have um the conversation before the ltc meeting started

[1:46:22] Voice 13: start the meeting early in the morning yeah okay um that's another kind of

[1:46:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): what's really

[1:46:33] Trustee Elliott (probable): nice about this table is this is your limitations of what we can actually do

[1:46:39] Trustee Elliott (probable): actually you've laid it out really clearly and so if you have people at the discussion who've

[1:46:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): already who are familiar with the need have already been involved and maybe you're aware

[1:46:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): of some of the constraints and the other things that we need to be thinking about and then you

[1:46:55] Trustee Elliott (probable): have these are the boundaries of what we can actually address so out of these let's have a

[1:47:01] Trustee Elliott (probable): conversation about what's going to yield the greatest sort of action and maybe pick two or

[1:47:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): three right and and i was thinking as you went through this if you're picking one sometimes

[1:47:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know you want to be thinking of the future if we do this what kind of unintended consequences

[1:47:20] Trustee Elliott (probable): might

[1:47:20] Voice 11: not create and

[1:47:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): so picking a balance of like two or three things that'll be complementary

[1:47:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know tiny house regulations to ups that might address this and then this might address that

[1:47:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): you're kind of

[1:47:32] Voice 13: allowing for a variety of options that could so we can write the

[1:47:37] Voice 13: those cases can be written very generally and then

[1:47:39] Voice 13: yeah so you don't have to make those

[1:47:41] Voice 13: right away

[1:47:42] Voice 13: if we do if we do a may 29th and we do a morning session and an afternoon session

[1:47:47] Voice 13: Yeah, so you

[1:47:48] Voice 10: can have your autism meetings

[1:47:49] Voice 13: more focused and reflect on some of the warnings.

[1:47:53] Voice 13: Right.

[1:47:54] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:47:54] Voice 13: That sounds, sounds to me like we can do for now, we can eventually, I mean, the Charrette

[1:48:00] Voice 13: is certainly something that in the next year or so

[1:48:05] Voice 9: we need to have, but

[1:48:06] Voice 9: we need to go down

[1:48:07] Voice 13: and keep out of the actual project, the actual deciding on the solutions.

[1:48:11] Voice 13: but um yeah i mean you know the feeling that i'm getting is the community wants to talk

[1:48:18] Voice 13: absolutely and so i and i think what we've experienced with the flexible housing is that

[1:48:22] Voice 13: it was great to have a lot of engagement because then everybody sort of understood what was

[1:48:28] Voice 13: happening and in the end it

[1:48:29] Voice 13: was just like yeah oh yeah no yeah well certainly no

[1:48:33] Voice 13: opposition to

[1:48:34] Voice 13: the idea that's part

[1:48:34] Voice 14: of the education

[1:48:35] Voice 13: piece too isn't it when you're talking about options you're

[1:48:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): are

[1:48:38] Voice 13: also refreshing the education around oh what do we do yeah anyway so i think the water district

[1:48:54] Voice 14: they have different activities

[1:48:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): to ask focus questions

[1:48:58] Trustee Elliott (probable): on like if you were to design this

[1:49:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): in this neighborhood to allow for it.

[1:49:04] Voice 14: And now

[1:49:04] Voice 14: what will be your dream?

[1:49:05] Voice 14: And so people sit down.

[1:49:06] Trustee Elliott (probable): And I'm working

[1:49:07] Voice 14: sort of a brainstorming,

[1:49:10] Voice 13: brainstorming.

[1:49:11] Voice 13: Yeah, focus groups, same idea as a focus group.

[1:49:14] Voice 13: I just hadn't heard that.

[1:49:15] Voice 13: Yeah, yeah,

[1:49:16] Voice 13: no, we've had that.

[1:49:17] Voice 13: Sometimes it's many different activities.

[1:49:18] Voice 13: Let me all day.

[1:49:19] Voice 13: OK.

[1:49:20] Voice 13: So OK,

[1:49:21] Voice 13: so I think that's good.

[1:49:22] Voice 13: So what are we?

[1:49:24] Voice 13: So

[1:49:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): I think for

[1:49:24] Voice 13: May 29, we need to do an early morning

[1:49:27] Voice 13: and afternoon.

[1:49:28] Voice 13: OK,

[1:49:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): we're going to

[1:49:29] Voice 13: do a community.

[1:49:30] Voice 13: the community information meeting i mean it's not ideal because it will be a monday whatever

[1:49:34] Voice 13: morning but um and then water districts do you want to have a conversation with them before

[1:49:40] Voice 13: i

[1:49:41] Voice 12: don't i think

[1:49:41] Voice 13: you can wait until after after the meeting after yeah i think

[1:49:45] Voice 2: you've got it

[1:49:46] Voice 2: now you've

[1:49:46] Voice 13: got haphazard humanity in april and okay yeah that's going to be a an information

[1:49:51] Voice 13: meeting too to some extent yeah so and then and they do do the uh the morning and after you

[1:49:59] Voice 13: for may 29th to sort of get get a sense of where the community is at with the conversation they

[1:50:04] Voice 13: want to have okay uh so we've got the april the 19th would be the meeting the habitat

[1:50:13] Voice 13: yeah yeah just the information they're there to share their information and very much and

[1:50:19] Voice 13: some site visits for them so however you want to to factor that one in and then the may 29th is

[1:50:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): Okay, what's the likelihood that there could be a housing, sort of main housing action plan by June

[1:50:39] Voice 13: for this to potentially apply to the fund.

[1:50:44] Voice 13: So, again, I mean we can.

[1:50:48] Voice 3: There is, there would be some have

[1:50:56] Voice 13: to what I would need to find out is how detailed it needs to be.

[1:50:59] Voice 13: So that would be the key, right and what would they find, like what would that money go towards like.

[1:51:05] Voice 13: well okay so there's an opportunity to um partner with the crd and part of the um southern dark

[1:51:14] Voice 13: islands um housing action plan includes things like subsidizing the building of which is really

[1:51:21] Voice 13: of secondary suites and adus right um you know real money that's the kind of thing and so that

[1:51:29] Voice 13: that is the kind of that's that is what that funding would be used for essentially um the

[1:51:36] Voice 13: there's still um the opportunity to to integrate what's already been done yeah um like there

[1:51:45] Voice 13: already are the opportunities for that coming now with what's already been done right i guess you

[1:51:50] Voice 13: know like with the flexible housing right um because i know in victoria where you could get

[1:51:56] Voice 13: a five thousand dollar loan from the city for your garden suite so that's kind of really what

[1:52:01] Voice 13: we need here it's a zero

[1:52:04] Voice 13: interest loan or and or some startup money to actually get construction

[1:52:10] Voice 13: i know you're

[1:52:11] Voice 4: going to be too late

[1:52:14] Voice 13: yeah um you know we need

[1:52:17] Voice 13: to get directions from just council to and that's june

[1:52:22] Voice 13: it'll all be

[1:52:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): tight and it'll all be

[1:52:26] Voice 13: pretty tight um i will be having more conversation with cmhc

[1:52:30] Voice 13: to identify exactly how far we need to be along if we need to like things i'll let you know it's

[1:52:36] Voice 13: already fairly tight but i i think um if we can speak in generalities to some of those things

[1:52:44] Voice 13: um then that might be good i think that having a conversation with the water districts earlier

[1:52:48] Voice 13: or maybe that maybe a better idea okay okay you can fit

[1:52:52] Voice 3: it in i

[1:52:53] Voice 13: mean yeah i'm always hearing my

[1:52:56] Voice 13: name i'll look at keller and okay just because um you know we need to do it in person in person and

[1:53:03] Voice 13: then dave's schedule too so but

[1:53:06] Trustee Maude: the thing to me the conversation with the improvements is

[1:53:09] Trustee Maude: it could just be staff to staff no

[1:53:11] Voice 13: i don't know what we need because we're just because we're

[1:53:14] Trustee Maude: is asking are you open to to oh

[1:53:16] Voice 13: no it needs to be a political yeah you might want to no

[1:53:20] Trustee Maude: i'm

[1:53:20] Voice 13: sorry i just know you know that you get a lot because because most of the improvement

[1:53:25] Voice 13: it's all they're volunteers yeah oh yeah

[1:53:27] Voice 13: yeah yeah

[1:53:28] Trustee Maude: no because because otherwise like i don't

[1:53:30] Voice 13: think it needs to be in

[1:53:31] Voice 13: person it needs to be in person yeah it may be challenging yeah but i'll

[1:53:35] Voice 13: look at it this week and then okay let us know

[1:53:37] Voice 13: early may end of april because

[1:53:41] Voice 11: if you're thinking

[1:53:41] Voice 11: if we're

[1:53:42] Voice 13: thinking in terms of um targets for the application then if we have one even one

[1:53:49] Voice 13: improvement that's picked up more yeah

[1:53:51] Voice 4: that's like

[1:53:52] Voice 13: we were already creating the opportunity for

[1:53:55] Voice 13: like several like many and we need

[1:53:58] Voice 13: to include that crd with dale yes

[1:54:04] Voice 13: because they've got a few spots down there that are not in the red zone

[1:54:08] Voice 13: yeah yeah yeah that's great so

[1:54:11] Voice 14: let me have a look into that okay okay

[1:54:13] Voice 13: the water you don't need a motion for that one there yeah so i guess i mean we can

[1:54:24] Voice 13: so we could wrap up the conversation unless there's more do you need do you need a motion

[1:54:30] Voice 14: which

[1:54:31] Trustee Maude: don't have a second record recommendation yeah

[1:54:33] Voice 13: there are two recommendations yeah um one

[1:54:37] Voice 13: was um so you could just um you could say the information which could be that staff uh request

[1:54:44] Voice 13: staff to schedule a meeting with um community and habitat with humanity but doesn't that

[1:54:51] Trustee Maude: get encompassed in your second motion

[1:54:53] Voice 13: oh the um because

[1:54:56] Trustee Maude: it says we know next steps because it's

[1:54:59] Trustee Maude: that all sort of encompass element next steps so the two both

[1:55:06] Trustee Maude: yeah so okay so

[1:55:07] Voice 13: um so you can

[1:55:09] Voice 13: the first one schedule community information meeting and then the second one ties into uh

[1:55:15] Trustee Maude: it's a broad brush yeah

[1:55:16] Voice 13: yeah yeah yeah do they need to be separate motions

[1:55:20] Voice 13: i guess okay okay i'll move that may not a local trust committee request staff to

[1:55:26] Voice 13: schedule a community information meeting on housing options i'll second that okay all those

[1:55:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): in favor okay

[1:55:32] Voice 13: good the move that may now local trust committee endorsed the recommended next

[1:55:35] Voice 13: steps leading to the development of a business case for 2024-25 supporting the main island

[1:55:42] Voice 13: housing options project all those in favor hi no this is you know fabulous fabulous work such

[1:55:49] Voice 13: great work it really really sets the course thank you thank you

[1:55:53] Voice 13: wow thank you i

[1:55:56] Voice 13: mean thank you for

[1:55:57] Voice 13: being so well i really

[1:56:02] Voice 11: want to see jay succeed if

[1:56:04] Voice 13: we could give you an overview of what

[1:56:07] Voice 13: possibilities. Yeah. All right,

[1:56:21] Voice 11: well, thank you for that. And

[1:56:24] Voice 11: programs,

[1:56:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): we've just extended that date into See, you already

[1:56:34] Voice 11: do you give yourself march 2025 continuation that's great do you

[1:56:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): want to talk about any of

[1:56:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): the other

[1:56:43] Voice 13: projects well i think we just need to like i know for sure has to happen but i think

[1:56:49] Voice 13: we're full never until july with housing yeah you know the reality is for sure the education stuff

[1:56:56] Voice 13: is i mean some of that's the call it's important if we have to get there but i was saying i'm afraid

[1:57:02] Voice 13: it trumps that yeah yeah the same with the luv

[1:57:05] Voice 13: amendments and

[1:57:07] Voice 4: then it comes from okay we've

[1:57:09] Voice 13: done the two

[1:57:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): so have the budgets gone up for the annual ltc expenses are they

[1:57:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): you're still getting money

[1:58:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): you are all going to get your receipts in before the end

[1:58:12] Trustee Elliott (probable): they're

[1:58:12] Trustee Maude: sitting on her desk

[1:58:15] Trustee Maude: oh my gosh

[1:58:15] Voice 13: yeah i know we're you can see what years ago they're not years ago she was like two years

[1:58:24] Voice 13: oh we know they

[1:58:25] Voice 13: were much more organized these days

[1:58:26] Voice 13: it was before

[1:58:30] Voice 13: computers what

[1:58:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): uh what's just curious what throws the communication budget

[1:58:34] Trustee Elliott (probable): out is that just like we spent 6 30 over 150. i

[1:58:41] Trustee Maude: think that's a sadly effective advertising

[1:58:52] Voice 13: yeah i mean i'm confused

[1:58:54] Voice 13: because they've been

[1:58:54] Trustee Maude: chasing legislation so we don't have to do this

[1:58:56] Trustee Maude: but apparently we have to do a local trust committee motion

[1:59:00] Trustee Maude: oh to say that

[1:59:01] Trustee Maude: the library apparently hasn't got the motions prepared he hasn't got it yet

[1:59:04] Voice 13: okay okay but we can do it with an rwn too because it's one of

[1:59:08] Trustee Maude: those patently ridiculous

[1:59:10] Trustee Maude: of things we have to

[1:59:11] Voice 13: pay a whole

[1:59:11] Trustee Maude: bunch of money to to advertise something in a publication that's

[1:59:15] Trustee Maude: not circulating yeah

[1:59:15] Voice 3: that's crazy yeah because

[1:59:19] Trustee Maude: i think on average i think it's what six hundred

[1:59:22] Trustee Maude: dollars an ad wow

[1:59:23] Voice 13: it's crazy it's expensive i don't know it's not even that

[1:59:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): it's really not

[1:59:29] Trustee Maude: circulation all right

[1:59:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): sorry um so do we have any chair of the court trustees reports we don't have

[1:59:43] Voice 14: our local area director reports um you

[1:59:46] Voice 13: know we have our trustee stuff just yes i don't definitely

[1:59:50] Voice 14: i

[1:59:50] Voice 13: want to hear from you two first and then i'll come back to my chair well i'll just very briefly

[1:59:55] Voice 13: because dave's been at the same so we we had we attended the community chat with that

[2:00:00] Voice 13: Olson it was interesting housing housing housing was number one Ballardere of course number two

[2:00:06] Voice 12: that was pretty close

[2:00:07] Voice 12: yeah it was pretty close

[2:00:08] Voice 13: and then we had another one which was the southern

[2:00:10] Voice 13: Gulf Islands that Adam Olson does and and that one they were sort of trying to focus on specific

[2:00:17] Voice 13: areas that they wanted to target I think I got completely lost that was a zoom meeting

[2:00:22] Voice 4: so it

[2:00:22] Voice 13: was that one so that that we had three days of trust council two meetings with Adam Olson then

[2:00:27] Then

[2:00:27] Voice 13: I had a meeting, my fellow Deer Committee meeting,

[2:00:30] Voice 13: and fellow Deer Committee are planning a public information meeting

[2:00:35] Voice 13: on May 21st, which is Sunday of the long weekend.

[2:00:39] Voice 13: I sent you an email, which you can email,

[2:00:41] Voice 13: where I talked to Robert Kajima about funding.

[2:00:43] Voice 13: I haven't asked Pat yet, but I'm hoping that we can fund

[2:00:46] Voice 13: if there is any Ag Hall rental and if we can get a good note taker.

[2:00:52] Voice 13: Anyways, the committee that we have right now are really gung-ho.

[2:00:56] Voice 13: it's got members from the conservancy member from parks commission um just wanted to get out there

[2:01:03] Voice 13: and sort of get get people under all especially all the new people understanding what the issues

[2:01:08] Voice 13: are

[2:01:08] Voice 3: and

[2:01:09] Voice 13: that they should all take their firearms and their shoe um and then i also attended

[2:01:17] Voice 13: a site visit to cotton park now cotton park about two years ago um well when we we were asked to

[2:01:26] Voice 13: to increase the zoning to increase the size of the outbuildings to store more water to water the

[2:01:32] Voice 13: the planted garden in there which belonged to the original owners and um there was quite a

[2:01:37] Voice 13: conversation about what parks should be or shouldn't be a cotton park is a significant

[2:01:42] Voice 13: archaeological site significant crd did come over they brought harold joe and his assistant

[2:01:49] Voice 13: don't remember her name um and we talked a lot about the importance of that site that site

[2:01:55] Voice 13: includes an incredible grove of huckleberries, purple huckleberries. So it was probably in

[2:02:02] Voice 13: historic times was a site where huckleberries, blueberries,

[2:02:06] Voice 13: were gathered and of course dried

[2:02:09] Voice 13: for food sort. So

[2:02:11] Voice 13: we know all of that. And so I was asked by Tricia, my father, to come out and

[2:02:17] Voice 13: have a look at the park because she was heartbroken to discover that the Parks Commission, which

[2:02:23] Voice 13: which you know it's probably maybe they had to do it maybe they didn't but they um went in to cut

[2:02:29] Voice 13: down the hazard trees along the trail and so the hazard trees one of them was an arduous

[2:02:34] Voice 13: and so the debris from the trees being cut down are just all over the all over the pathway um

[2:02:42] Voice 13: one of them went through one of the largest of huckleberries huckleberries are like this high

[2:02:46] Voice 13: if you've never been to the park so anyhow she was upset i haven't talked to parks about it

[2:02:53] Voice 13: there seems to be what i've noticed in the master plan for the parks commission and we have three

[2:02:59] Voice 13: significant archaeological park sites that are all on the water miners bay park dinner bay park

[2:03:06] Voice 13: cotton park it seems to be sort of to me and we had this of course conversation about emma and

[2:03:13] Voice 13: phillips jack part um so my question i guess i would like to make a motion that the local trust

[2:03:21] Voice 13: committee write a letter to the crd parks crd parks asking for clarification on the management

[2:03:30] Voice 13: of local community parks in view of significant archaeological um evidence and knowledge

[2:03:40] Voice 13: that sounds right the problem in the master plan for the main island parks the new master plan

[2:03:48] Voice 13: and contains no reference to first nations um and and obviously no you know falling the tree

[2:03:57] Voice 13: down and smashing it through this area was was quite thoughtless actually but i

[2:04:03] Voice 13: just don't want

[2:04:04] Voice 13: to get into big battles the parks commission over it and suspect they hired somebody to go in and

[2:04:08] Voice 13: cut trees and the trees are going to be left to rot naturally but there seems to be a real

[2:04:14] Voice 13: disconnect so i don't know pat if that makes sense the letter but chair please write a letter

[2:04:19] Voice 11: ltc read a letter to crd parks requesting information on

[2:04:23] Voice 13: management of significant

[2:04:25] Voice 13: archaeological sites um on mean on the main island parks um okay

[2:04:31] Voice 13: it it it's a cotton park in particular that the area where these blue where these huckleberries

[2:04:42] Voice 13: grow is is quite it's probably was cultivated because there's huge and

[2:04:47] Voice 3: and they're not common

[2:04:48] Voice 13: to the gulf islands they're found more in wetter areas but these things were huge very unusual to

[2:04:54] Voice 13: find and and just that park in general they become day parks and sometimes i question

[2:05:02] Voice 13: the the disconnect between what parkland should be some preservation of parkland versus people

[2:05:09] Voice 13: use some parklands they

[2:05:11] Voice 11: thought that issue before too oh

[2:05:12] Voice 11: yes the

[2:05:14] Voice 13: eagles nest there and the dogs and

[2:05:16] Voice 13: so I don't know that's a pretty broad letter but it's to kind of hopefully target a conversation

[2:05:22] Voice 13: with the CRD about reconciliation so I

[2:05:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): would suggest this is like something that could be

[2:05:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): brought up in a regular protocol meeting that you would have with the CRD like how

[2:05:35] Trustee Elliott (probable): management piece and that kind of thing is you want to work towards that I'm not

[2:05:41] Voice 13: okay I'm happy

[2:05:43] Voice 13: happy to do this

[2:05:43] Trustee Maude: yeah okay send the letter we'll see what kind

[2:05:45] Trustee Maude: of response we

[2:05:46] Voice 13: get from that

[2:05:47] Trustee Maude: there's just definitely there's a lack of cultural sensitivity yeah yeah the irony is

[2:05:53] Trustee Maude: if they went to dig a hole to plant a tree yeah they have

[2:05:58] Trustee Maude: to have a full like first nations

[2:06:00] Trustee Maude: consultation to dig a hole

[2:06:01] Voice 12: that's after what they did at dinner park yeah

[2:06:04] Trustee Maude: but but if they

[2:06:06] Trustee Maude: want to kind of treat out there's no

[2:06:07] Trustee Maude: consultation and to me that that's like if we're saying like

[2:06:11] Trustee Maude: that these particular parts of the first nations significance to them any activity within the park

[2:06:18] Trustee Maude: should like they need to be sensitive yeah

[2:06:21] Voice 4: and it's not

[2:06:22] Trustee Maude: like with this one you know this is

[2:06:24] Trustee Maude: tone deaf because what somebody says as a danger tree just cut it down

[2:06:28] Voice 3: somebody

[2:06:29] Trustee Maude: from another lens

[2:06:31] Trustee Maude: can look at it and say well yes cut it down don't cut it down there because it's going to

[2:06:35] Trustee Maude: like literally like destroy all those plants

[2:06:38] Voice 4: there

[2:06:39] Trustee Maude: needs to be a lot more sensitivity and

[2:06:42] Voice 13: and the arbutus tree is is of great significance to the waslantic people and

[2:06:48] Voice 11: this tree was just

[2:06:49] Voice 13: left like when you walk by this is what you're looking at is all the debris yeah so

[2:06:53] Voice 13: very

[2:06:55] Voice 13: insensitive treatment of cotton and in the fact that the master plan doesn't refer to

[2:07:05] Voice 13: their new master plan it doesn't refer to

[2:07:07] Voice 13: anything to do with

[2:07:08] Voice 13: first nations and even after crd came

[2:07:11] Voice 13: over with harold joe i can't remember who else was

[2:07:15] Voice 14: there at the

[2:07:15] Voice 13: moment i'm eric some of the

[2:07:17] Voice 13: people are no longer working

[2:07:18] Voice 1: for the crd eric

[2:07:20] Voice 13: was there um justine yeah yeah justine but yeah

[2:07:24] Voice 13: were you there okay okay

[2:07:26] Voice 13: and i mean hugely significant area we're there again you know

[2:07:31] Voice 13: know the ag society bless them i mean we've got the garden happening there we've got the

[2:07:36] Voice 13: information signs there but you go into a park like cotton park and there's no recognition like

[2:07:44] Voice 13: a little sign that says oh by the way and there's that fine line between not warning people and

[2:07:50] Voice 13: digging things up but also they say even dinner bay we have acknowledgement of japanese history

[2:07:55] Voice 13: but nothing of the first nations history so so whatever you can put into the letter you'll you'll

[2:08:01] Voice 13: know what so the i'm

[2:08:03] Trustee Elliott (probable): just looking at the updated strategic plan that was released in is it still

[2:08:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): in

[2:08:09] Voice 13: process because no our

[2:08:10] Voice 13: main island i can send it to you that the main

[2:08:13] Voice 9: island is the main island

[2:08:14] Voice 13: community main island parks plan oh and their goals i'll send it i'll find it and send it to

[2:08:20] Voice 13: you i'll send

[2:08:20] Voice 13: you the link and also that letter yeah great yeah yeah i'll see if i can talk with

[2:08:25] Voice 13: that okay anyhow she was just very very upset because it was it was the way it was done and

[2:08:30] Voice 13: And it was just kind of, it had this fairly, you know, lots of salal and all the huckleberries to the, you know, to the east side and the little trail along the ocean front to the right.

[2:08:39] Voice 13: And it's all Indian, it's all mint, it's all shell in there.

[2:08:42] Voice 4: And

[2:08:42] Voice 13: then there's this kaboom.

[2:08:45] Voice 13: It's quite messy.

[2:08:46] Voice 11: Can I just

[2:08:47] Voice 11: clarify, so it's CRD that cut the trees?

[2:08:50] Voice 13: Well, it would be our local parks commission.

[2:08:53] Voice 13: So our parks commission would have gone in to do what they would think of as a danger trees.

[2:09:00] Voice 13: but it's how the process of how it was done and how the debris but

[2:09:05] Voice 3: it was our press yes

[2:09:11] Voice 13: what's the date for your fellow gear oh may 21st monday or sunday sorry sunday may 21st

[2:09:20] Voice 13: yeah this is the oh and we uh over there and they'll have their master plan in there and the um

[2:09:26] Voice 13: so the fallow meeting also the biggest most important part is adam olson is coming

[2:09:31] Voice 13: and hopefully bringing his dad carl who has managed the hunt on sydney island

[2:09:35] Voice 13: and maybe joni who's on the on the pacific tribal council that was kind of the promise because we're

[2:09:43] Voice 13: we're still trying to get some lobbying

[2:09:51] way

[2:09:52] Voice 13: too many meetings

[2:10:09] Voice 14: do you

[2:10:11] Voice 14: want to make that trustee's report

[2:10:12] Trustee Maude: beyond what janine said is you know

[2:10:15] Trustee Maude: lots and lots and lots of meetings we survived trust council yeah

[2:10:19] Voice 4: it's uh

[2:10:20] Trustee Maude: painful but you know i find the experience quite positive and everybody's getting along

[2:10:29] Voice 3: is

[2:10:29] Trustee Maude: is from four previous years where i felt every time i walked out of trust council

[2:10:36] Trustee Maude: i felt i was wasting time because everybody was just spinning wheels not accomplishing

[2:10:40] Trustee Maude: anything and this time every time i walk out of trust council i go okay we did something

[2:10:45] Voice 3: so

[2:10:46] Trustee Maude: i really feel good about that i feel equally good you know the in recent years we haven't had

[2:10:54] Trustee Maude: really good intergovernmental relations and we now actually are having conversations almost on

[2:11:01] Trustee Maude: a weekly basis with crd um adam olson has ramped up the communications from his office

[2:11:07] Trustee Maude: So I feel that we are all working together in actually achieving things like the CRD meetings that are coming up, both locally and with various people with the commercial concerns.

[2:11:24] Trustee Maude: I don't think it would have happened three or four years ago. And

[2:11:28] Trustee Maude: now we're saying we have a problem. Everybody says, okay, let's figure it out.

[2:11:32] Voice 3: so

[2:11:33] Trustee Maude: i think we're having fun i don't know everybody has to have definition of anything

[2:11:40] Voice 3: but i

[2:11:40] Trustee Maude: guess i like the fact that you know we're actually doing something um which is which i just

[2:11:45] Trustee Maude: last term i didn't think we were okay so it's uh no it's been great and you know there's

[2:11:52] Trustee Maude: greatness to come to believe it or not thank you um

[2:11:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): yeah for myself trust council was a good chance

[2:12:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): chance to observe uh how the groups or the council starting to gel and come together and

[2:12:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know still finding our way and making decisions and uh but i think on the whole it's a

[2:12:12] Trustee Elliott (probable): very if the group can recognize each other's strengths and go oh well that group's really

[2:12:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): interested in doing this and you know not micromanaging that but let us build the

[2:12:23] Trustee Elliott (probable): the cohesion together i i really do think we could go somewhere this term i'm hopeful

[2:12:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): uh particularly on housing um so i had asked ec ages ago if we could uh send some delegates to the

[2:12:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): housing summit so the province has just you know been announcing money and since pre-pd was um

[2:12:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): was appointed uh it's really become a focus of the province to partner with municipalities and

[2:12:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): we want to make sure that the islands trust is at the table and so that's something i continually

[2:12:56] Trustee Elliott (probable): keep reminding us so myself and four other trustees will be going uh april 4th and 5th

[2:13:04] Trustee Elliott (probable): the ubcm housing summit and we're getting some background uh prep from staff and it's very full

[2:13:10] Trustee Elliott (probable): agenda there's lots of plenary sessions and i'm hoping we can come up with a strategy you know

[2:13:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): you go to that one and get that information and i'll go to this one um but as i'm speaking with

[2:13:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): narissa even just on the ferry today there's so much more that we can be doing to have a cohesive

[2:13:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): regional plan and to really understand what each of the islands are are doing i think we're on that

[2:13:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): track now it's pulling the information together creating the strategy and then going okay so who

[2:13:43] Trustee Elliott (probable): Who do we need to speak to at CHMC on behalf of all of these or three LTCs or five LTCs, right?

[2:13:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): How do we move tiny homes ahead?

[2:13:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): Oh, that's the building code piece, right?

[2:13:54] Trustee Elliott (probable): Let's work on that on behalf of the Honest Trust.

[2:13:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): So I think coming up with strategy, broadly speaking, is going to be important to make sure that we're not just talking about the problem, but we've worked through a lot of the issues.

[2:14:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): issues and now this is how we need the province to help us in addressing the problem we know the

[2:14:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): problems we need to stop talking about it we need to just get

[2:14:18] Trustee Elliott (probable): some support so i'm excited about that

[2:14:20] Trustee Elliott (probable): um the we're having a special meeting of trust council electronically on march 28th um

[2:14:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): to which is tomorrow thank you that'll be a very it's it's sort of unprecedented um

[2:14:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): but we're to approve a protocol agreement between islands trust council and santa

[2:14:43] Trustee Elliott (probable): os first nation so this is at the request of the nation that we um have a protocol agreement which

[2:14:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): they already have in place with the district of lanceville and so it's specific to the lissiti

[2:14:54] Trustee Elliott (probable): trust committee um but it's trust council that holds that agreement i suppose so that's why

[2:15:01] Trustee Elliott (probable): trust council's meeting and what else uh island's trust conservancy board meeting

[2:15:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): was last tuesday the 14th and yeah

[2:15:13] Trustee Elliott (probable): in the meantime there's going to be a bit of a

[2:15:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): conversation about um decisions that are made at trust council that have implications for the

[2:15:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): conservancy and how um that's handled but i think that'll be up to ec and and the island's trust

[2:15:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): conservancy to to discuss but there's i keep my ears perked for all things conservancy related

[2:15:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): now because that inter

[2:15:38] Voice 14: body communication is actually very important um

[2:15:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): and i think that's

[2:15:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): about it what else oh the coastal marine strategy that was a really interesting media i don't know

[2:15:54] Trustee Elliott (probable): it was via zoom yeah

[2:15:58] Voice 12: so it was on

[2:15:58] Trustee Elliott (probable): the 23rd and it's because the coastal marine strategy

[2:16:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): presentation that the well this group was was doing was during our trust council and so they

[2:16:09] Voice 4: did a

[2:16:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): special sort of presentation to trustees and really it was very interesting it it's going

[2:16:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): to be tricky because they it won't have legislative um effect this group is not it's they're creating a

[2:16:25] Trustee Elliott (probable): coastal strategy which is lacking but without it it's again kind of like us it depends on

[2:16:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): collaboration with partnering agencies to enforce that strategy right so coming up they're in early

[2:16:39] Trustee Elliott (probable): stages there'll be lots of time for gallons just to give input but uh this was really we talked

[2:16:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): talked about sort of the role of citizens in protecting the coast and you know doing groups

[2:16:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): that are tracking sort of resident and transient killer whales or big species and protection of the

[2:16:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): foreshore so some of the foreshore um like mapping and climate change protection that we're we're we

[2:17:05] Trustee Elliott (probable): need to look at um this body may be the able to provide the coordinating

[2:17:10] Voice 14: function between the

[2:17:12] Voice 14: government or us trying to do that job but really it's it's too big for all of us but because we're

[2:17:19] Voice 14: all coastline we need

[2:17:21] Voice 14: to address the effects of climate change on on residents and on on the

[2:17:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): forestry ecosystem so that'll be an interesting conversation i think it's going

[2:17:32] Voice 14: to be wrapped up

[2:17:33] Voice 14: next year so hopefully they'll have their strategy in place anyway

[2:17:37] Voice 12: lots of meetings as you said

[2:17:40] Voice 11: but it's really really interesting stuff

[2:17:42] Voice 14: or

[2:17:44] Voice 11: spell the name of the first nations you're signing oh

[2:17:47] Voice 14: yeah

[2:17:48] Voice 11: uh it is here

[2:17:53] Voice 11: s

[2:17:54] Voice 14: -a-s-n-a-w-s-n-a-w-n-a-w

[2:17:59] Voice 14: -a-s

[2:18:12] Voice 13: I just wanted to mention under the CRD Director's report, I

[2:18:17] Voice 13: just want to mention he is giving

[2:18:18] Voice 13: the Fallow Deer Committee some funding to help us with this meeting with flyers and

[2:18:24] Voice 13: things like that.

[2:18:25] Voice 13: Oh, great.

[2:18:25] Voice 13: Very much appreciated.

[2:18:26] Voice 13: yes we're going to get a small grant in the through the conservancy

[2:18:30] Voice 13: conservancy because the fallow deer committee is just a ad hoc rootless group i see

[2:18:38] Voice 13: and it's after the fallow deer yes

[2:18:41] Voice 12: for our open house to make so we bravely

[2:18:45] Voice 12: answer

[2:18:46] Voice 13: the questions i

[2:18:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): would just say on behalf of the alice trust conservancy the

[2:18:55] Trustee Elliott (probable): report is in there we've approved our sort of our work plan for the year

[2:19:00] Voice 13: i had um dropped off sort

[2:19:04] Voice 13: of the climate change project i think which was stalled after phase one

[2:19:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): it again it's pretty

[2:19:10] Trustee Elliott (probable): ambitious and i'm starting to realize that the limitations of of our body to do really robust

[2:19:19] Trustee Elliott (probable): ecosystem mapping for instance if you're already talking about baseline mapping for species at

[2:19:25] Trustee Elliott (probable): risk um just so we can understand the effects of climate change that's a big project and we really

[2:19:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): need to tackle it with strategic funding um we do have there's still a speaker series

[2:19:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): uh running february 16th to april 12th on species at risk and yeah it's both

[2:19:53] Voice 11: self-advocacy i'm

[2:19:55] Trustee Elliott (probable): just looking for that ministerial oh it's been outstanding

[2:20:08] Voice 3: that's it are we just

[2:20:10] Voice 14: about done janine i need you to tell me if we're done yeah

[2:20:15] Voice 14: i

[2:20:16] Voice 13: put the health center under new process thank

[2:20:19] Voice 13: you just simply because i know that the health

[2:20:21] Voice 13: center particularly since covid has struggled um our population went up 37 percent and of course

[2:20:28] Voice 13: we don't have

[2:20:28] Voice 13: enough staffing for our health center um wages being offered for secretarial or

[2:20:34] Voice 13: are making it difficult to attract staff but any i've met with one of the members of the health

[2:20:40] Voice 13: board and in the next mainliner which comes out april 1st um they're going to start they're

[2:20:45] Voice 13: sort of unrolling a bunch of information on projects they've been working on towards improving

[2:20:51] Voice 13: improving services at the health center but there's

[2:20:55] Voice 1: a lot of

[2:20:55] Voice 13: community misunderstanding

[2:20:57] Voice 13: and criticism because you can't just move here and see the doctor it's no different than any

[2:21:03] Voice 13: community we don't run a walk-in clinic emergency services are provided but even our lab services

[2:21:10] Voice 13: are not always consistently available and say it's been a real struggle if you think a population

[2:21:15] Voice 13: increase of 37 percent yeah put a real stress on the health center i've known this for a long time

[2:21:20] Voice 13: We sent them a thank you note last term because I just know how hard they all work and I'm concerned about, you know, for our aging population and how they're going to manage into the future.

[2:21:35] Voice 13: But I think some of it will be addressed in the main line or coming up.

[2:21:38] Voice 13: And I didn't have, I requested this on the agenda before I had the meeting.

[2:21:43] Voice 13: So that

[2:21:44] Voice 13: will be the best left to what they have to say to themselves in the main line.

[2:21:48] Voice 13: so okay that's that's

[2:21:51] Voice 11: and

[2:21:54] Trustee Maude: certainly those issues are also going to get raised

[2:21:56] Trustee Maude: at our meeting on april 11th yeah because we have three people

[2:22:00] Trustee Maude: a lot

[2:22:01] Voice 13: of the funding comes through me a lot of funding and services and yeah and inconsistencies

[2:22:08] Voice 13: on on you know funding goes on but it's extended for a month extended for months so

[2:22:12] Voice 4: long term so

[2:22:13] Voice 13: it's not for such for some of the services that are there we can certainly use a lot more service

[2:22:19] Voice 13: our health center because it's owned by the improvement district is a bit different than others

[2:22:23] Voice 3: so

[2:22:24] Voice 13: that's the way the funding and the taxation goes so

[2:22:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): our next regular meeting is scheduled

[2:22:33] Trustee Elliott (probable): for may 29th 2023 here at the green island agricultural hall um so i guess information

[2:22:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): will be going out in

[2:22:43] Voice 13: a local paper too too late for the april meetings yeah deadline to 20th

[2:22:48] Voice 13: april

[2:22:49] Voice 14: for the april me yes for may for the meeting of we

[2:22:52] Voice 13: always do a monthly report we always stay

[2:22:54] Voice 13: and because it's going to be a little bit different yeah um probably an ad for the main one

[2:23:02] Voice 13: okay i can create a i created an ad for that one okay um

[2:23:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): so we have a second town hall

[2:23:12] Trustee Elliott (probable): I

[2:23:13] Voice 12: have three questions. One, I can't remember how wide an area noticers are distributed, you know, for situations like the DDP.

[2:23:30] Voice 12: key 100 meters yeah okay because um i remember when there was one done across the street from

[2:23:38] Voice 12: that property that our house on club crescent received a notice but i didn't receive one

[2:23:45] Voice 12: for this particular decision yeah i thought it was interesting

[2:23:50] Voice 13: because it's way at the

[2:23:51] Voice 13: other end but

[2:23:52] Voice 13: yeah

[2:23:52] Voice 12: but it's it's um i received one for the property that

[2:23:56] Voice 13: was across the street so i just

[2:23:57] Voice 12: wondered about that you

[2:23:58] Voice 13: must have just yeah it must

[2:24:00] Voice 12: be just on the line you

[2:24:01] Voice 12: could be maybe it's

[2:24:02] Voice 12: 100 meters oh just

[2:24:03] Voice 12: because i used to deliver them yeah sure they

[2:24:06] Voice 13: put a dot into

[2:24:08] Voice 12: the subject property

[2:24:10] Voice 11: draw a circle on the lots map and that's where you

[2:24:15] Voice 11: deliver so sometimes that circle may be right on

[2:24:18] Voice 11: the corner of a

[2:24:20] Voice 11: particular lot sure um now the other thing is they mail the notices out to the

[2:24:25] Voice 11: registered property owners in addition to them being delivered by hand to the properties yeah

[2:24:32] Voice 11: i didn't see anything

[2:24:33] Voice 12: either way so i guess i must have been just outside of that document

[2:24:36] Voice 12: and you know not to say that i had any objections it was just a matter of understanding how that

[2:24:43] Voice 12: worked thank you um question number two if i had elected to do a tup for this tiny home project

[2:24:52] Voice 12: Would I have been subjected to the same building permit requirements for the CRD?

[2:25:01] Voice 13: Probably not.

[2:25:03] Voice 13: Oh, painful, painful, painful.

[2:25:09] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:25:11] Voice 13: That's good to know, though, for future, for other people.

[2:25:14] Voice 13: Yeah, yeah, and get better information on that because it may make it easier.

[2:25:19] Voice 13: you

[2:25:19] Voice 12: know for instance you know it's to me it seems like um um an unnecessary expensive formality

[2:25:26] Voice 12: to go through but

[2:25:28] Voice 13: is it is the um is it uh on its chassis or has it been it

[2:25:36] Voice 12: will be put on a

[2:25:37] Voice 12: cement pad with anchors embedded into the pad then

[2:25:42] Voice 13: then the question then it becomes questionable

[2:25:44] Voice 13: whether you could actually get a TEP for that if it

[2:25:47] Voice 13: was if it was still in the chassis then

[2:25:50] Voice 13: I

[2:25:51] Voice 12: mean the chassis is still there it's not moving off of its chassis it'll be sitting on blocks

[2:25:57] Voice 12: um so the wheels will either be removed or or lifted off of the ground um and and um it will

[2:26:05] Voice 12: be on a cement pad and there are anchors embedded yeah so

[2:26:10] Voice 13: it's all it's all what's

[2:26:11] Voice 13: because it's on a I mean that that becomes like a great area whether

[2:26:15] Voice 13: it's temporary yeah well I

[2:26:17] Voice 12: mean ultimately it's not a temporary

[2:26:19] Voice 13: situation this is a permanent and a TUP does expire so

[2:26:23] Voice 13: no matter what you yeah that's the downside yeah yeah

[2:26:26] Voice 13: where they've been using TUPs for

[2:26:31] Voice 13: for uh tiny homes on on wheels you fuel it and um Gold River so in Gold River they used

[2:26:40] Voice 13: they were using them um for when they had the big um flood oh of course yeah and

[2:26:46] Voice 3: then and so

[2:26:46] Voice 13: now um

[2:26:48] Voice 13: so they they issued the tps for them and then they've all gone through it through renewal and

[2:26:53] Voice 13: there's still some that are there and they basically said well if you want to continue

[2:26:58] Voice 13: that use then you need to put on a foundation that needs to be able to get it built right so

[2:27:04] Voice 13: So, I mean,

[2:27:05] Voice 13: that's really the only way.

[2:27:05] Voice 13: So you eventually

[2:27:06] Voice 13: had to deal with that one more time?

[2:27:08] Voice 13: Yes.

[2:27:08] Voice 13: Yeah, I don't think that.

[2:27:10] Voice 12: Unless I decided to keep it on the ground instead of putting it under.

[2:27:15] Voice 12: Well,

[2:27:15] Voice 13: I think in that case, I mean, it would be flipping it on the wheels.

[2:27:18] Voice 12: Right.

[2:27:19] Voice 12: But

[2:27:19] Voice 13: again, that's still something.

[2:27:21] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:27:21] Voice 12: Have a discussion about whether you really want to go there.

[2:27:25] Voice 12: And the third question is for Janine.

[2:27:29] Voice 12: I wonder if there is perhaps a place for the Main Island Conservancy to help, you know, sort of break the ice on the foreshore education side of things.

[2:27:40] Voice 12: Probably.

[2:27:41] Voice 13: I think all that basically we were looking at really at targeting waterfront.

[2:27:46] Voice 13: I would say targeting waterfront owners, which you already basically have a lot of brochures.

[2:27:51] Voice 13: And I'm always kind of questioning how useful, I mean, mailing out a flyer to groups like that.

[2:27:58] Voice 13: so it's more and it was an education so certainly in conjunction with the conservancy um if that

[2:28:05] Voice 13: was the target to do that as a partnership um just the importance

[2:28:10] Voice 3: of everybody else wants to do the

[2:28:11] Voice 3: work yeah yeah

[2:28:12] Voice 13: it's because as much as anything i think people genuinely don't you know you can

[2:28:19] Voice 13: have all the bylaws and rules and regulations but if people don't understand why that's there or

[2:28:26] Voice 13: or especially if it's already existing house and property,

[2:28:29] Voice 13: then, you know, they're not going to appreciate it.

[2:28:31] Voice 13: Whereas if, like, for Grant and his issue with the drainage ditch

[2:28:37] Voice 13: and then getting the conservancy actually to come to the property,

[2:28:40] Voice 13: that's what you want to do.

[2:28:42] Voice 13: We can

[2:28:42] Voice 13: regulate to death, but education is far superior to regulation.

[2:28:47] Voice 13: And we got money for the flyers for the fallow deer,

[2:28:50] Voice 13: and I'm sure you can get money for that from the CRD.

[2:28:54] Voice 13: so as soon as malcolm finishes our our application

[2:28:59] Trustee Maude: so

[2:29:00] Voice 13: anything like that

[2:29:01] Trustee Maude: yeah yeah

[2:29:04] Voice 13: yeah so it could help with that that would be great okay

[2:29:08] Voice 12: i'm sure that there are resources normally there that could be drawn yeah yeah no i think so

[2:29:15] Voice 12: i think it's okay

[2:29:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): that's

[2:29:18] Voice 12: awesome thank you

[2:29:19] Trustee Elliott (probable): so thanks for staying and great questions

[2:29:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): uh

[2:29:24] Voice 12: so i'll send this up by email yeah that would be great to have so

[2:29:30] Voice 11: now if i have a motion to

[2:29:32] Voice 11: for the meeting

[2:29:37] Voice 11: that the meeting

[2:29:38] Voice 14: be close to the color in accordance with the community charter

[2:29:41] Voice 14: for division three, section 91, A, D, and F for the purpose of considering the adoption

[2:29:49] Voice 14: of in-camera meeting minutes

[2:29:50] Voice 11: dated January 30, 2023, the appointment of agency and bylaw enforcement.

[2:30:00] Voice 13: and that the reporter and staff attend the meeting.

[2:30:02] Voice 13: Recommended by David Montz.

[2:30:04] Voice 13: All right, all right.

[2:30:06] Voice 9: It's going to take some time, just a few minutes.

[2:30:09] Voice 9: My computer's slow.

[2:30:11] Voice 11: It says it's streaming live now.

[2:30:15] Voice 11: My computer.

[2:30:17] Voice 9: Yeah, okay, yeah.

[2:30:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): So, writing the report,

[2:30:25] Trustee Elliott (probable): the Main Island Local Trust Committee

[2:30:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): has appointed Deborah Cleland,

[2:30:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): uh to the apc i'm very pleased and thankful to the other members of the community that

[2:30:37] Trustee Elliott (probable): submitted expressions of interest uh

[2:30:40] Voice 13: unfortunately we're only able to choose one

[2:30:44] Voice 13: um and and i would like to come in coming out of our in-camera conversation i would like to

[2:30:50] Voice 13: request that the chair of the main island local trust committee write to the rc of the head of

[2:30:56] Voice 13: the RCMP for the Gulf Island area I'm not sure what the terminology is to express our

[2:31:04] Voice 13: extreme displeasure with the fact that a residentially zoned property on Wooddale Drive

[2:31:11] Voice 13: I don't have the exact address but I'm sure staff will find that was used as an impound yard

[2:31:18] Voice 13: yard for 30 days for two vehicles that were towed during a roadside check on main island

[2:31:25] Voice 13: certainly approve of course of roadside checks appreciate our cmp doing so but do not appreciate

[2:31:33] Voice 13: the lack of consideration for having those vehicles stored in a legal legally zoned and

[2:31:43] Voice 13: and appropriate impound yard.

[2:31:45] Voice 13: I do get all that patterns.

[2:31:47] Voice 13: So the improper use of a residential property

[2:31:53] Voice 13: as an impound yard for 30 days for two vehicles

[2:31:58] Voice 13: that was authorized by the Pender Island RCMP Detachment

[2:32:05] Voice 13: with no regard for Island Trust local bylaws.

[2:32:11] us

[2:32:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): okay you did say extreme displeasure extreme yes

[2:32:18] Voice 11: extreme okay this is very good because she'll

[2:32:23] Voice 11: email me that oh good yes yeah

[2:32:28] Voice 13: i'm complaining that okay i will

[2:32:30] Voice 13: second the motion all in favor

[2:32:32] Voice 13: thank

[2:32:33] Voice 11: you thank

[2:32:35] Voice 13: you very frustrating um you know i i understand that in terms of cost for the people

[2:32:41] Voice 13: who were towed it was a significant difference in cost but nonetheless not only were those vehicles

[2:32:47] Voice 13: impounded but the person the total company received 750 dollars per vehicle fifteen hundred

[2:32:54] Voice 13: dollars to store them there for 30 days um and while that saved the people being impounded it

[2:33:01] Voice 13: It still was not a particularly appropriate.

[2:33:07] Voice 13: He charged $750 for each car on a piece of property that has a significant number of tickets already written against the operator of Main Island Towing

[2:33:20] Voice 13: in view of the offenses that have already taken place with using that residentially zoned property as a commercial business.

[2:33:33] Voice 13: like rubbing salt in the wound yeah

[2:33:38] Voice 3: i

[2:33:41] Voice 13: found it very frustrating and and and the main island towing has been storing

[2:33:59] Voice 13: vehicles on the tour road as well um using that as an impound or as a storage garden and it really

[2:34:07] Voice 13: is not appropriate well

[2:34:09] Voice 11: i understood he had another license there hadn't been renewed or

[2:34:13] Voice 11: something and then you're saying he's still called well and it

[2:34:17] Voice 13: did assure me that it was

[2:34:18] Voice 13: he was proper he's properly licensed as so the report came from in camera we we know he's licensed

[2:34:24] Voice 13: and he's part of the bc safety uh registration so all of

[2:34:30] Voice 13: that is is appropriate but and and they

[2:34:33] Voice 13: also you know understand that it's difficult to find properties to use um but that's just not

[2:34:43] Voice 13: not really our problem okay

[2:34:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): so that concludes our business today and we

[2:34:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): can all grow and grab some

[2:34:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): sunshine thank

[2:34:53] Voice 14: you for those who are still

[2:34:54] Voice 14: watching and we'll close it

[2:34:57] Voice 14: down until may

[2:35:00] Voice 13: okay i'll get back with my oc i like to use my coffee so that in case

[2:35:04] Voice 13: i didn't get the first

Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
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Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
 
Date:  
 
Location:  
March 27, 2023 
Mayne Island Agricultural Hall 
430 Fernhill Road, Mayne Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 Jeanine Dodds, Local Trustee 
 David Maude, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Narissa Chadwick, Planner 
 
 
 
 
Public Present: 
Warren Dingman, Bylaw Enforcement Manager 
Charlie Caproff, Planner 1 
Pat Todd, Recorder 
 
There were approximately eight (8) members of the public. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 1:32 p.m.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Delegations – Bruce Cranna, regarding commercial construction 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended. 
 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
 Deb Foote:  Spoke to issues regarding the Capital Regional District (CRD) building permits as they 
relate to tiny homes; that CRD considers tiny homes as manufactured homes; a number of 
hurdles required to pour a cement pad to a tiny home site; while generally not in favour of Siting 
and Use Permits, some circumstances could be an appropriate option. 
 
4. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None  
5. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
 
  
A D O P T E D 

 
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6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated January 30, 2023  
 
By general consent, the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of January 30, 
2023 were adopted as presented. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report Dated March 2023 
 Received for information. 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – None 
 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Dated March 2023 
 Planner Chadwick noted that work continues to arrange a meeting regarding water 
tanks.  The Flexible Housing Flyer has been drafted and a copy will be forwarded to 
Trustees. 
 
8. DELEGATIONS 
 Bruce Cranna:  Related difficulties encountered with CRD and renovations on a commercial 
property; Fernhill Centre; areas previously inspected were substandard construction; CRD 
required an architect and structural engineer; took a number of months to acquire an architect; 
project too small and remote, costly to service; issues with CRD persist after one year; 
communication not good or timely; need for specificity of requirements; commercial 
information not on website; lost 11 months of rental income. 
 LTC reported there is a meeting on May 30, 2023 with CRD regarding commercial issues. 
 There is a meeting on April 11, 2023 with Adam Olsen, CRD and Islands Trust regarding issues of 
Urban vs. Rural. 
 It was suggested that an annual Protocol Meeting with various agencies could serve a 
coordinating function. 
9. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage. 
 
10. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
10.1 Galiano Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Draft Bylaws 283 and 284  
 
   MA-2023-009 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by 
Galiano Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaws 283 and 284. 
CARRIED 

 
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10.2 MA-DVP-2023.2 (Last) 
   
Planner Caproff reviewed the application for an addition to an existing building.  There is 
minimal, if any, impact on neighbours.  No responses were received from notification. 
 
Applicant added that addition is to modify cottage into a home suitable for retirement. 
 
 MA-2023-010 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the Mayne Island |Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Development Variance Permit application MA-DVP-2023.2 (Last). 
CARRIED 
10.3 MA-DVP-2022.4 (Iredale)  
 Planner Caproff spoke to the application for a minor encroachment of a deck and stairs.  
Neighbour noted no issues. 
 
  MA-2023-011 
  It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development 
Variance Permit application MA-DVP-2022.4 (Iredale). 
CARRIED 
11. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
11.1 Housing Options  
 Chair Elliott spoke to the excellence of Planner Chadwick’s report and that other 
Trustees were very positive. 
 Planner Chadwick reviewed the background of the project.  There were discussions on 
identification of housing needs, seniors and more families on the island etc.  She spoke 
to the options within the Official Community Plan (OCP) and the Land Use Bylaws (LUB).  
Some of the OCP policies would need to be relaxed to allow more flexibility. 
 
Other points of discussion: 
 
 Rezoning that could ease the process of subdividing for donations of land 
 Another meeting with water districts regarding secondary suites 
 CMHC Housing Acceleration Program coming in June 2023 
 Habitat for Humanity arriving on April 19 
 Business Plan to Trust Council by June 
 Need for partnerships, flexibility and funding 
 Housing Action Plan draft for mid-May 
 
  

 
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MA-2023-012 
  It was Moved and Seconded, 
 That the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a 
Community Information Meeting on housing options. 
CARRIED 
 
 MA-2023-013 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
 That the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee endorse the recommended next 
steps leading to the development of a business case for 2024/2025 supporting 
the Mayne Island Housing Options Project. 
CARRIED 
The LTC expressed appreciation for the extensive report. 
 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Work Program Reports  
12.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated Mar 2023 - ongoing 
12.1.2 Future Project List Report Dated Mar 2023 - ongoing 
12.2 Applications Report Dated Mar 2023 
Received for information. 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Jan 2023 
 
Received for information. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
 
Received for information. 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
 
To be updated upon close of meeting. 
12.6 Chair's Report 
 Chair Elliott reported that Trust Council (TC) is coming together and that 4 delegates will 
be attending the UBC Housing Forum on April 4 and 5.  Work is progressing towards a 
cohesive Regional Plan.  There is a special meeting of TC on March 28 to sign a 
Protocol Agreement with Snow-naw-as First Nation.  IT Conservancy Board met last 
week and had a presentation on the Coastal Marine Strategy in its early stages.  
Islands Trust to give input.  
12.7 Trustee Report 
 
Trustee Dodds reviewed a recent meeting with MLA Adam Olsen and the Southern Gulf 
Islands Forum (SGIF).  Housing and Fallow deer were the first two priorities.  May 21 will 
be a site visit to Cotton Park with the Conservancy and the Ministry.  Mayne Island Parks 

 
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and Recreation (MIPR) cut hazardous trees, but left debris on trails and pathways.  This 
is a significant archeological site.  The MIPR Master Plan makes no reference to 
First Nations.  Islands Trust Conservancy has given funding to host an Open House for 
community education regarding fallow deer. 
 
 MA-2023-014 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee write a letter to Capital Regional 
District Parks requesting information on management of significant 
archeological sites on Mayne Island. 
CARRIED 
 Trustee Maude stated there had been a number of meetings, and is encouraged that 
Trust Council is working together and getting things accomplished.  There have been a 
number of conversations with various other agencies such as CRD, MLA, etc. 
12.8 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
12.9 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Date Feb 2023 
 Chair Elliott noted that the Work Plan had been approved and that the Speakers Series 
is ongoing from February 16 to April 12, highlighting species at risk. 
 
13. NEW BUSINESS 
13.1 Health Centre Concerns 
 Trustee Dodds informed the LTC that the Health Centre has been dealing with some 
challenges due to a 37% population increase and presence of COVID on the island.  
There will be articles in the Mayne Liner as to forthcoming changes to improve services.  
Concerns will be raised with VIHA on April 11 while representatives are here. 
 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for May 29, 2023 at the Mayne Island Agricultural 
Hall, Mayne Island 
 
15. TOWN HALL  
 Deb Foote:  Questioned process for application notifications, notices mailed out and delivered 
to all properties within 100 metres of the application site; asked if Temporary Use Permit (TUP) 
for a tiny home would have precluded building requirements of CRD.  Probably not and a TUP 
requires renewal; MI Conservancy might be of assistance with Foreshore Education in 
conjunction with the LTC. 
 
16. CLOSED MEETING 
 
The meeting closed at 3:52 p.m. 

 
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16.1 Motion to Close Meeting 
 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3 s. 90(1) (a)(d)(f) for the purpose of considering: 
 
 Adoption of In-Camera Meeting Minutes Dated January 30, 2023 
 Appointment of APC Member 
 Bylaw Enforcement 
 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
 
16.2 Recall to Order 
 Chair Elliott recalled the regular LTC meeting at 4:13 p.m. 
 
16.3 Rise and Report 
 Chair Elliott reported the appointment of Debra Cleland to the Advisory Planning 
Commission and expressed appreciation to other applicants. 
 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 4:18 p.m.  
 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
 
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Pat Todd, Recorder