Islands Trust Council regular meeting, March 28, 2023

[0:00:04] Voice 10: you know the trouble with a virtual meeting

[0:00:16] Trustee Luckham: is that um compared to a live meeting is that it's

[0:00:21] Trustee Luckham: deathly quiet when everybody has their mute on compared to the hubbub at a live meeting which is

[0:00:27] Trustee Luckham: a wonderful thing

[0:00:32] Voice 21: and say things

[0:00:35] Trustee Luckham: you manage with that chorus to get a couple more uh folks in so

[0:00:41] Trustee Luckham: So I do believe that at 1.02, let us call this special Islands Trust Council meeting to order.

[0:00:54] Trustee Luckham: It's a beautiful sunny day here on Thetis Island where I live and I'm elected.

[0:01:01] Trustee Luckham: Peter Luckham, of course, I'm the chair of Islands Trust Council.

[0:01:05] Trustee Luckham: This is Laiakson and Penelope Territory, specifically.

[0:01:08] Trustee Luckham: specifically. We're meeting today broadly across Coast Salish Territory to talk about a significant

[0:01:15] Trustee Luckham: piece of work associated with an agreement with the Coast Salish First Nation, the S'na-Nas

[0:01:20] Trustee Luckham: First Nation. I just want to recognize that this is where we live and work. It's been the home to

[0:01:28] Trustee Luckham: Coast Salish people since time immemorial. There's joy and sadness in this place as

[0:01:35] Trustee Luckham: a joy historically of family and friends and births and deaths and

[0:01:41] Voice 8: marriages and everything

[0:01:43] Trustee Luckham: else that comes along with society, but there's also the impact of the colonists that arrived

[0:01:50] Trustee Luckham: here, and we're certainly doing everything we can to reconcile that. Many of us are, and today's

[0:01:57] Trustee Luckham: work is part of that, so grateful to be here, and I know that you're all also glad to be here.

[0:02:05] Trustee Luckham: Just to include everybody as we go forward, I do have regrets from Joe Bernardo and Ken Hunter, and I do believe Janine Dodds is unable to join us today.

[0:02:24] Trustee Luckham: day um but just uh go through and give you an opportunity to wave a local acknowledgement if

[0:02:31] Trustee Luckham: you wish i'm going to go through my list which is on the screen and just say welcome trustee getty

[0:02:36] Trustee Luckham: and trustee maberly if you don't want to say anything that's fine too trustee maberly

[0:02:47] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[0:02:48] Voice 10: no i'm here okay

[0:02:50] Trustee Luckham: trustee falk yes

[0:02:55] Voice 6: i'm here from monday's island

[0:02:57] Trustee Luckham: yeah trust self bender

[0:02:59] Voice 6: Chair,

[0:02:59] Trustee Luckham: Graham, this is not working out so well for me because, of course, as microphones change, people's priorities change.

[0:03:09] Voice 8: Thank you, Trustee. Thank you, Chair Luckum. David Graham, Demanada, Traditional Territory of the Comox.

[0:03:17] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Yates.

[0:03:20] Voice 17: Thank you, Chair Luckum. I'm here today in the Traditional Territory and the home of the Sonoma First Nation.

[0:03:30] Trustee Luckham: Excellent. And Trustee Galbraith, and I apologize, I've been advised on the correct

[0:03:35] Trustee Luckham: pronunciation, but I'm still struggling with that. You and I will have to have a face-to-face.

[0:03:39] Trustee Luckham: Over to you, Lisa.

[0:03:41] Voice 2: No worries. Lisa Gowero from Galeano Island,

[0:03:45] Voice 2: a traditional territory of Coast Salish people.

[0:03:48] Trustee Luckham: Good. Trustee Borswick.

[0:03:52] Trustee Middleton: Yes. Hello. Calling in from also very sunny Denman Islands, Tastage,

[0:03:58] Trustee Middleton: H. Comoxteros Nations.

[0:04:01] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[0:04:03] Trustee Patrick: Laura Patrick, Salt Spring

[0:04:04] Trustee Patrick: Island Territories

[0:04:07] Trustee Patrick: of Coast Salish Nations.

[0:04:09] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Evans.

[0:04:12] Voice 20: Thank you. I reside

[0:04:14] Voice 20: on Sudea, South

[0:04:15] Voice 20: Pender, and I'm calling in from Dawson

[0:04:17] Voice 20: Creek, where it's sunny, and I have

[0:04:19] Voice 20: a two-year-old and a five-year-old running around,

[0:04:22] Voice 20: so I apologize, as I'm going to be babysitting

[0:04:24] Voice 20: them during this call.

[0:04:26] Voice 10: Trustee Boland, thank you for joining us.

[0:04:31] Voice 10: Hello.

[0:04:32] Voice 10: Glad to be here. Moray Boland,

[0:04:35] Voice 18: Saturna Island. Thank you.

[0:04:38] Trustee Luckham: All right. And Co-Trustee Ken Hunter, I wasn't anticipating your attendance. Thank you for

[0:04:42] Trustee Luckham: joining us in your vehicle

[0:04:43] Voice 10: here today. And Kate Louise Stamford.

[0:04:51] Voice 21: Good afternoon, everyone. I'm zooming in from Ta'altmowich in Alcatsum Houseout.

[0:05:00] Voice 10: Tim Peterson.

[0:05:01] Voice 10: Good

[0:05:05] Voice 5: afternoon from Laskete Island, Ahuete, territory of many Coast Salish Nations and the Treaty Territory of the Tla'aman Nation.

[0:05:16] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Deb Morrison.

[0:05:20] Voice 16: Good day. This is Deb Morrison from Steyas, North Pender Island, and I'm coming in today from West Saanich Territory. Thank you.

[0:05:28] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:05:29] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Michaela Leroni.

[0:05:34] Voice 3: Good afternoon. I'm calling in from Qualicum Beach, actually, but also a beautiful day here.

[0:05:41] Trustee Luckham: Excellent. Trustee Fast?

[0:05:47] Voice 12: Hi, everybody. Sue Ellen Fast here, resident of Nuklelequam, Bowen Island,

[0:05:52] Voice 12: calling in as I'm walking along the streets of West Vancouver in the territory of the Squamish

[0:05:59] Voice 12: Tsleil-Waututh and Musqueam Nation.

[0:06:01] Voice 12: Good,

[0:06:02] Trustee Luckham: excellent, thank you. And now Trustee Elliot, did I get you earlier or did I skip over you?

[0:06:09] Voice 21: You skipped me, but that's all good. Yes, Toby Elliot here

[0:06:13] Voice 21: in Sunaimak First Nation Territory at Gabriola Island.

[0:06:18] Trustee Luckham: Okay, and then Trustee David Maude as well is picking up some...

[0:06:23] Voice 2: Greetings from Main Island, traditional home of the WSANIC and other Coast Salish people.

[0:06:27] Voice 2: all right

[0:06:28] Trustee Luckham: and our staff is any other trustees i've missed please yellow okay good job chair

[0:06:38] Trustee Luckham: welcome okay so uh with us on the line of course we have the ceo russ hotson pillar joining us in

[0:06:44] Trustee Luckham: victoria and we have david marler legislative services uh director yeah good afternoon thank

[0:06:53] Trustee Luckham: you stefan so back regional uh director of planning good

[0:06:59] Voice 1: afternoon and

[0:07:01] Trustee Luckham: of course uh director

[0:07:04] Trustee Luckham: claire frader trust area services is with us afternoon and uh lori foster of course in the

[0:07:12] Trustee Luckham: background looking after our minutes and recordings and streaming and all this wonderful

[0:07:16] Trustee Luckham: wonderful stuff and thank thank you to you Lori all right without uh further ado thank you

[0:07:24] Trustee Luckham: everybody for taking time out on uh on a on a on short notice on a beautiful day to join us to to

[0:07:30] Trustee Luckham: discuss this important matter um we have an agenda before us um uh this is a special meeting there's

[0:07:37] Trustee Luckham: not really any opportunity to add additional items because of course we wouldn't have been

[0:07:41] Trustee Luckham: able to provide suitable notice to the public um about anything else that we might like to

[0:07:46] Trustee Luckham: discuss so if there are no concerns i'll just ask for a motion to approve the agenda anybody raise

[0:07:53] Trustee Luckham: their hand electronically sam borswick thank you sam and do i have a seconder i'm going to take

[0:08:00] Trustee Luckham: david graham the seconder so all those in favor and

[0:08:07] Voice 10: um that carries in favor yeah thank you

[0:08:16] Trustee Luckham: any and so any opposed as the hands are lowered i'll wait a moment

[0:08:21] Trustee Luckham: any opposed to adopting the agenda as presented none opposed so that indeed that's unanimous

[0:08:28] Trustee Luckham: so um thank you everybody and so we're going to go into a business item here now the protocol

[0:08:34] Trustee Luckham: agreement between the island stress council and the snana us first nation um when we as we move

[0:08:41] Trustee Luckham: through this item staff are going to make some presentations um uh to us and then um ideally

[0:08:47] Trustee Luckham: if we get the motion on the table then we can have discussion and questions about it and then

[0:08:53] Trustee Luckham: advance accordingly and so if that's all right and electronic hands is what I want to use for

[0:09:01] Trustee Luckham: voting David Mahler is assisting me as the legislative services director he's going to do

[0:09:07] Trustee Luckham: the vote counting so once we get to that point by asking David to tally the votes and then we will

[0:09:14] Trustee Luckham: will declare what the outcome is. So before I introduce staff on this, I do want to say that

[0:09:21] Trustee Luckham: this is, I think, is a really special moment, a moment of joy, in fact, for us to be coming back

[0:09:27] Trustee Luckham: to protocol agreements with nations. We've had two protocol agreements for some time with Snenemo

[0:09:35] Trustee Luckham: and with LAX and First Nation. And although we may not have done a lot of work around that,

[0:09:43] Trustee Luckham: it's certainly a mechanism that has provided us the opportunity to have meetings and discussions

[0:09:48] Trustee Luckham: with nations when it's necessary and this one is no different than than that and um i think

[0:09:54] Trustee Luckham: for what's important here for me uh personally and i think for council is that um we are advancing

[0:10:01] Trustee Luckham: our our work our declaration um uh that we've made and our reconciliation work um to uh work

[0:10:10] Trustee Luckham: work with nations and enter into a time of respectful conversation and discussion to

[0:10:17] Trustee Luckham: recognize each other's needs and interests in the Island Trust area, which we have been provided

[0:10:26] Trustee Luckham: the opportunity to provide land use planning. But of course, there's so much more here. And so

[0:10:31] Trustee Luckham: with that, I'm going to turn it over to CAO Hotzenpiller to introduce the RFD, and he'll

[0:10:38] Trustee Luckham: I'll hand it off to Clare Brader.

[0:10:42] Voice 9: Great, thanks, Chair Luckom.

[0:10:43] Voice 9: Good afternoon, Trust Council.

[0:10:44] Voice 9: Great to be with you as usual,

[0:10:46] Voice 9: particularly with this moment here

[0:10:49] Voice 9: where you're going to consider approval

[0:10:50] Voice 9: of a protocol agreement between yourselves

[0:10:53] Voice 9: and the Sminas First Nation.

[0:10:57] Voice 9: I'll just make some brief remarks, as will Clare,

[0:11:00] Voice 9: and then we'll turn it to you

[0:11:01] Voice 9: for your consideration and questions.

[0:11:03] Voice 9: This agreement, I think, could reasonably be considered

[0:11:07] Voice 9: to action our responsibilities to collaborate and work in cooperation with first nations governments

[0:11:12] Voice 9: i think it will make our life easier and better and more transparent as we do business between us

[0:11:19] Voice 9: from an administrative point of view we're thankful to be at this point

[0:11:25] Voice 9: along with the cooperative elements that will rise out of this agreement this is a means of

[0:11:31] Voice 9: being clearer timely more efficient and i believe over time this will be more cost efficient for the

[0:11:38] Voice 9: organization as we work with this nation and other nations as we as we develop the ability to

[0:11:44] effectively um

[0:11:46] Voice 9: work in a protocol agreement situation the agreement itself is is simple

[0:11:51] Voice 9: um i think it has room for a reasonable room for amendment um as time goes on and we discover the

[0:11:58] Voice 9: things that need to be tweaked so i think that's a positive uh there are some costs which i believe

[0:12:04] Voice 9: are justifiable um as we work towards furthering these agreements um i had the opportunity to sit

[0:12:10] Voice 9: in the negotiations with the nation um and i can tell you thematically that this is very practical

[0:12:17] Voice 9: discussions business oriented discussions um how to be clearer um practical timely um sort of

[0:12:25] Voice 9: address each other's business that seemed to be the flavor of the discussion for the most part

[0:12:30] Voice 9: uh and then finally i'd say that uh it's easy to sign a protocol agreement but it will be the

[0:12:35] Voice 9: maintenance of these agreements over time and as we measure them that that's really where the

[0:12:40] Voice 9: success is going to be and as you contemplate into the future of perhaps having more of these

[0:12:46] Voice 9: agreements um we'll be working with you and reporting back to you on um what is it what

[0:12:52] Voice 9: what does it take to be successful in this area?

[0:12:55] Voice 9: And sorry, the last thing I'll say is,

[0:12:57] Voice 9: generally I would say the administrative part

[0:13:00] Voice 9: of the organization and I believe that the political

[0:13:04] Voice 9: leadership over the last five or six years has invested

[0:13:09] Voice 9: time, interest, abilities and thinking

[0:13:13] Voice 9: to get us to a place where I think we can

[0:13:16] Voice 9: more effectively work in protocol agreements.

[0:13:18] Voice 9: This is a maturation of our work with nations

[0:13:20] Voice 9: over the last number of years.

[0:13:21] Voice 9: so happy to be at this moment and Claire who's been the principal on this agreement will

[0:13:26] Voice 9: provide some remarks now.

[0:13:29] Voice 15: Okay thank you CAO. So essentially we're pleased to present this for

[0:13:33] Voice 15: your consideration today. If you grant approval we'll forward it on to the minister for the

[0:13:39] Voice 15: minister's consideration of approval. Generally this sets out how we're going to work together

[0:13:44] Voice 15: and is meant to underpin positive and cooperative relationships. At the end of the day though as

[0:13:49] Voice 15: as the CAO mentioned, this is about relationships and it will be about the real work of working

[0:13:53] Voice 15: together that will prove the success. This is intended to be entered into by council and on

[0:13:59] Voice 15: behalf of the Leskeetee LTC. This is, although their territory may be broader, this is at the

[0:14:05] Voice 15: request of the nation that their primary interest is with Leskeetee, but it doesn't preclude other

[0:14:10] Voice 15: people coming to conversations and coming to meetings. So certainly there's a lot of flexibility

[0:14:14] Voice 15: provided for in the agreement generally this is a fairly simple agreement and it

[0:14:25] Voice 15: has been reviewed by the nation and now is with you for review and essentially

[0:14:30] Voice 15: it will not take effect until it's had approval of the minister and at that

[0:14:34] Voice 15: time once we've got that approval we would bring it back to you to appoint

[0:14:36] Voice 15: members of the working group and would then schedule those meetings thank you

[0:14:43] Voice 15: for that report and back to you chair luckham

[0:14:46] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you um so thank you very much for that uh

[0:14:50] Trustee Luckham: claire i appreciate that and the work that has gone into advancing this and uh i also want to

[0:14:56] Trustee Luckham: recognize um legal teams uh on both sides of the agreement have engaged uh on this to ensure that

[0:15:05] Trustee Luckham: it meets uh all of our needs and um just i will just note that uh in the um the our the request

[0:15:12] Trustee Luckham: for decision, the cover briefing on page three of that document, the first paragraph, there's

[0:15:20] Trustee Luckham: actually a word missing. There's another typo to do with dates, but that's less critical.

[0:15:26] Trustee Luckham: And this is only in the request for decision document, not the protocol. It says on the first

[0:15:33] Trustee Luckham: line of page three, meetings of the working group established under this agreement are committee

[0:15:39] Trustee Luckham: committee meetings, it should say are not committee meetings. And so, and then it follows

[0:15:45] Trustee Luckham: on to say, and therefore of not, are not public meetings. So just want to make sure that you're

[0:15:50] Trustee Luckham: aware of that. There was some conversation around that topic. So I would like to, if there's no

[0:15:58] Trustee Luckham: objection, to ask the chair of the Mesquite Island Local Trust Committee, Toby Elliott, to move the

[0:16:07] Trustee Luckham: motion and get that on the table um and then indeed start the discussion and questions and

[0:16:13] Trustee Luckham: debate on uh advancing this uh today or not so uh toby elliott uh would you like to uh advance

[0:16:21] Trustee Luckham: the motion um

[0:16:23] Voice 18: could i ask something first peter oh sure certainly sure i'm just wondering could

[0:16:29] Voice 18: we discuss it in general before the motion is put on the table because the motion then limits

[0:16:35] Voice 18: That's the discussion that I think, just a thought.

[0:16:39] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, well, that's fair.

[0:16:41] Trustee Luckham: And I did think about that and considered that,

[0:16:43] Trustee Luckham: but given the timeliness and the nature of it,

[0:16:49] Trustee Luckham: certainly you're right,

[0:16:51] Trustee Luckham: but I wanna be fairly liberal in the discussion.

[0:16:53] Trustee Luckham: And I've used that word specifically

[0:16:55] Trustee Luckham: to permit that discussion to happen

[0:16:58] Trustee Luckham: during the context of the debate.

[0:17:00] Trustee Luckham: So if that's all right,

[0:17:02] Trustee Luckham: site I will continue with uh trust with uh Vice Chair Elliott from the chair of luskeedie Island

[0:17:07] Voice 21: okay uh thank you chair luckum and um yes it would be my pleasure to introduce the motion put it on

[0:17:17] Voice 21: the floor so that we can have a good discussion I move that the Islands Trust Council approve the

[0:17:23] Voice 21: protocol agreement between Islands Trust Council and Stanaas First Nation and request staff to

[0:17:28] Voice 21: forward the protocol agreement to the Minister of Municipal Affairs for approval. Thank you.

[0:17:34] Trustee Luckham: And do I have a seconder? I see Tim Peterson seconding it. Trustee from Laskete Island. Thank

[0:17:39] Trustee Luckham: you, Tim. So now let us start the discussion and the debate. So I'll ask you to raise your

[0:17:46] Trustee Luckham: electronic hands. And I'm going to try and maintain a speaker's list, although it jumps around quite a

[0:17:53] Trustee Luckham: bit on that speaker's list. And after you've finished speaking, I'll just ask you to lower

[0:17:57] Trustee Luckham: your hand and that will ideally make it a little smoother for me. So my first two speakers are Tim

[0:18:04] Trustee Luckham: Peterson, Leskete Island and Michaela Laroni.

[0:18:09] Voice 5: Thank you chair and good afternoon trustees.

[0:18:14] Voice 5: I'd just like to start by saying I'm excited that we're taking on the verge of taking this

[0:18:21] Voice 5: this step towards furthering reconciliation goals.

[0:18:26] Voice 5: Just wanted to point out a couple of things here

[0:18:31] Voice 5: in terms of the agreement itself,

[0:18:37] Voice 5: you'll note that Liskety Island Local Trust Committee

[0:18:40] Voice 5: is specifically referred to multiple times,

[0:18:44] Voice 5: I think five or six, which reflects as Chair Luckham

[0:18:49] Voice 5: mentioned the specific desire in this agreement by Snanoas to start working with the Liskiti

[0:18:56] Voice 5: Island Local Trust Committee. A little bit of background. Last term, the Liskiti LTC was

[0:19:04] Voice 5: working on its official community plan project. We put out our normal referrals and did receive

[0:19:12] Voice 5: a referral response from Sinaloa's First Nation. At that time they were looking to open a dialogue

[0:19:20] Voice 5: with us and the decision of the LTC was to pause progress on our OCP until such time as we could do

[0:19:33] Voice 5: that. There was a little bit over a year I think at least that we paused the project in respect of

[0:19:41] Voice 5: of wanting to honor those wishes.

[0:19:43] Voice 5: So for me, this is exciting that we're on the brink

[0:19:48] Voice 5: of opening a formal working relationship.

[0:19:53] Voice 5: And for the folks on Luskeety Island,

[0:19:56] Voice 5: it's also exciting that we'll be able

[0:20:00] Voice 5: to have those discussions and move forward

[0:20:02] Voice 5: with our OCP project.

[0:20:05] Voice 5: Just wanted to add my personal level of confidence

[0:20:11] Voice 5: that our legal team at Young-Anderson

[0:20:14] Voice 5: has vetted this agreement.

[0:20:18] Voice 5: And also just note that on page 12 of the package,

[0:20:29] Voice 5: sections, let me just find it here for a moment.

[0:20:34] Voice 5: Jumping forward, sections 36 to 40

[0:20:42] Voice 5: under the effect of the agreement uh mentions that the agreement does not federally limit or

[0:20:49] Voice 5: restrict the jurisdiction of the parties and uh i'll just add the one where it says it does not

[0:20:55] Voice 5: create any rights or legal obligations between the parties does not create or give rise any

[0:20:59] Voice 5: contract contractual obligations to the parties um not being a lawyer uh but i take those parts uh

[0:21:09] Voice 5: 36 to 40 as certainly satisfying my questions

[0:21:15] Voice 5: about the scope of the agreement

[0:21:19] Voice 5: and I'm in support of the motion

[0:21:21] Voice 5: and I certainly hope that the majority here are as well.

[0:21:26] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[0:21:29] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Jim.

[0:21:30] Trustee Luckham: So Michaela Leroni, I'll go to next

[0:21:33] Trustee Luckham: and then Toby Elliot, the mover of the motion.

[0:21:35] Trustee Luckham: I'll provide an opportunity for her to speak to her motion,

[0:21:38] Trustee Luckham: and then I'll open to the floor up to others.

[0:21:40] Trustee Luckham: And so far I have Mireille Boland and Trustee Patrick.

[0:21:48] Trustee Luckham: So Mikaela Laroni, over to you.

[0:21:51] Voice 4: All right, I mean, I very much concur

[0:21:55] Voice 4: with what Tim has to say.

[0:21:56] Voice 4: It's very important for our community plan

[0:21:57] Voice 4: that this gets approved.

[0:22:01] Voice 4: This is not a, what do you call it, groundbreaking.

[0:22:05] Voice 4: We have other, sorry, you're just looking like

[0:22:09] Voice 4: my notes here we have other protocol agreements the trust has other protocol agreements this is

[0:22:13] Voice 4: not a new thing so i mean this is something that should be fairly simple to approve and i think

[0:22:19] Voice 4: it's very important that we have an agreement on how that how we can effectively and communicate

[0:22:26] Voice 4: with this dishonest first nations so that um yeah we can have our community plan move forward and

[0:22:34] Voice 4: and we can be respectful of the First Nations' needs

[0:22:37] Voice 4: as we do have a lot of similar,

[0:22:39] Voice 4: the Ons Trust and First Nations' usage of lands

[0:22:41] Voice 4: has a lot of similarities.

[0:22:44] Voice 3: And I'm going to leave it there for now.

[0:22:46] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Michaela.

[0:22:49] Trustee Luckham: Toby Elliott, you wish to speak to the motion?

[0:22:53] Voice 21: If it's okay with you, I'd rather wait till the end

[0:22:55] Voice 21: and just hear what others have to say.

[0:22:58] Trustee Luckham: That's perfectly fine.

[0:22:59] Trustee Luckham: Mayreed Boland.

[0:23:03] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:23:04] Voice 18: um i really appreciate the intent of this but i just like to express my own this is my own

[0:23:15] Voice 18: personal opinion i'm a bit uncomfortable about the rush to put this in front of trust council

[0:23:20] Voice 18: we didn't see this agreement i believe until four days ago um i wonder about the request

[0:23:28] Voice 18: to have it all done and dusted by March 31st.

[0:23:32] Voice 18: Is there, you know, could the reason for that be shared?

[0:23:37] Voice 18: And I'm trying to get clarity.

[0:23:39] Voice 18: Is this agreement, will this affect Laskete Island only

[0:23:43] Voice 18: or will other islands be affected,

[0:23:49] Voice 18: Saturna, et cetera, by this agreement?

[0:23:53] Voice 18: And I wonder about the rationale behind

[0:23:58] Voice 18: creating individual agreements like this?

[0:24:01] Voice 18: We have 13 LTCs and there are, I think, 27 First Nations.

[0:24:07] Voice 18: Potentially, we could have hundreds and hundreds of agreements.

[0:24:10] Voice 18: Is there an opportunity to take this agreement and make it a template,

[0:24:15] Voice 18: make it something that can be reused and reused by all parties,

[0:24:20] Voice 18: not reused as in individual multiple agreements,

[0:24:25] Voice 18: but that there is one agreement which then is updated and signed by all parties in an effort to somehow manage the resource demand that these will entail.

[0:24:46] Voice 18: So, yeah, in principle, I see that all the intentions are good, but I look at the complexity going forward, and I sort of scratch my head at how we're going to manage this.

[0:24:58] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:25:00] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Mairead.

[0:25:02] Trustee Luckham: Director Frey, do you want to answer a couple of those questions that are in there?

[0:25:07] Voice 9: Thanks, Mr. Chair.

[0:25:08] Voice 9: Yeah, together, Claire and I can answer some questions.

[0:25:11] Voice 9: I think the first one was around the timing.

[0:25:12] Voice 9: um i think there's a really a neighborliness that's being expressed here by the trust the

[0:25:17] Voice 9: nation asked us to consider their funding window which is similar to ours march 31st that they

[0:25:23] Voice 9: could get they had some funds they could allocate to this work um so that was the request and we're

[0:25:28] Voice 9: simply trying to um work with them to that regard um while you have seen this agreement for four or

[0:25:36] Voice 9: five days it's about two years of um discussion um initial discussion and subsequent meetings so

[0:25:44] Voice 9: um feel feel assured that the organization itself has been um expressing itself well uh over a

[0:25:51] Voice 9: reasonable period of time and i also think that the simplicity of the agreement itself

[0:25:56] Voice 9: speaks it's it's not um terribly complex so it's uh it's something that i think both parties can

[0:26:04] Voice 9: readily agree to giving the timelines at hand. In terms of an idea of an omni agreement around

[0:26:13] Voice 9: all parties, I think that we could spend lots of time talking about that. Initially, I would

[0:26:21] Voice 9: consider that that might be administratively interesting to the Islands Trust, but nations

[0:26:27] Voice 9: have their own interests that they're expressing. This nation has its own self-governance principles

[0:26:33] Voice 9: polls and they've come to the islands trust and have an agreement so that we can better share

[0:26:39] Voice 9: information and collaborate so we've responded to that and i think that that's something you'll

[0:26:45] Voice 9: consider into the future is working with individual nations for the most part that's not

[0:26:50] Voice 9: to say if you look back at the 2008 agreement or i think the 2002 there's lots of language that's

[0:26:57] Voice 9: similar to this. So I think that in consideration of it being a template, practically, I think that

[0:27:08] Voice 9: is the case. So yeah, I think that's about as much detail as I can provide for that series of

[0:27:14] Voice 9: questions. Thanks.

[0:27:15] Voice 18: So one follow-up, if you don't mind. So how does it affect islands other than

[0:27:21] Voice 18: the ski t so

[0:27:23] Voice 9: um trust council is entering into the agreement um and i i don't it's hard for me

[0:27:29] Voice 9: to pro i don't understand the word effect um this is uh there's no obligation created for

[0:27:36] Voice 9: saturn island that you have to undertake um one activity or another um the i what i think is one

[0:27:43] Voice 9: of the strengths disagreement is there's the ability to revisit and i'll draw i'll draw an

[0:27:47] Voice 9: example of. Right now there's particular interest in the Laskiti LTC because of their OCP process

[0:27:54] Voice 9: and interest in lands for them to have a focused conversation, but there's the ability in the

[0:28:00] Voice 9: future if that moved to an another area that the nation had interest in, maybe it was Gabriola or

[0:28:07] Voice 9: somewhere else, then you could add people, elected officials from Gabriola could come up, we could

[0:28:14] Voice 9: could change the the joint working group so you could bring other people in um so it would be

[0:28:19] Voice 9: under that premise that um any ltc or anyone or any other elected official would would come into

[0:28:25] Voice 9: the conversation and that would be something that trust council would be aware of because trust

[0:28:30] Voice 9: council appoints the joint working committees um but short answer well too late for a short answer

[0:28:35] Voice 9: there's nothing specific new responsibilities that are recorded saturnus specifically or anyone

[0:28:41] Voice 9: um ltc except obviously we've named um the trustees from uh war the ltc from the scheme

[0:28:52] Trustee Luckham: thank you thank you for the follow-up i'm going to now go to trustee patrick followed by dag

[0:28:58] Trustee Luckham: falk and susan yates yeah

[0:29:02] Trustee Patrick: i guess um my question i think is somewhat around the complexities that

[0:29:06] Trustee Patrick: that Trustee Boland refers to.

[0:29:09] Trustee Patrick: And one, I want to say I support

[0:29:12] Trustee Patrick: the entering into the agreement

[0:29:13] Trustee Patrick: and I understand that.

[0:29:17] Trustee Patrick: And as I was chair at Laskiti,

[0:29:19] Trustee Patrick: very intimately involved in their interest,

[0:29:21] Trustee Patrick: expressed and was glad

[0:29:22] Trustee Patrick: and that we didn't have the mechanisms

[0:29:24] Trustee Patrick: to be able to break through those conversations

[0:29:27] Trustee Patrick: and move to another place.

[0:29:29] Trustee Patrick: So we ended up stuck.

[0:29:30] Trustee Patrick: When it comes to stuck,

[0:29:32] Trustee Patrick: I think on Salt Spring,

[0:29:33] Trustee Patrick: we're starting to experience that

[0:29:34] Trustee Patrick: with a number of nations.

[0:29:35] Trustee Patrick: So I guess my question more would be regarding agreements. It is an interesting, you know, something that we're gonna have to map out and look at is, you know, do we have 36 agreements and we have this complex matrix of how we get involved?

[0:29:50] Trustee Patrick: I think there's, I think this has got to be given some thought on the various islands that will have, you know, one nation may have interest in multiple islands and how do we make sure.

[0:30:00] Trustee Patrick: having those that communication in a very effective way so that we don't come back to the

[0:30:05] Trustee Patrick: stuck place again um and or options of is it possible that trust council delegate the authority

[0:30:13] Trustee Patrick: to a particular uh trust uh local trust committee if the interest is exclusive to one nation or not

[0:30:19] Trustee Patrick: exclusive is probably not the right area but dominated uh one one local trust area so i i

[0:30:25] Trustee Patrick: I think it's more as we go into the future that we create a process that's going to be workable, understandable, not just from us as trustees, but from the people in our area.

[0:30:38] Trustee Patrick: And that would, so I guess be my questions is, and could you delegate it to a local trust committee?

[0:30:49] Trustee Luckham: Through the CAO, do you wish to address any of the questions there, sir?

[0:30:53] Trustee Luckham: uh

[0:30:54] Voice 9: yes well certainly the overall point of how we maintain effectively um a variety of protocol

[0:31:01] Voice 9: agreements um either politically or administratively is something in our future that we'll have to

[0:31:08] Voice 9: consider um absolutely i i would submit though the work underneath each of these protocol agreements

[0:31:15] Voice 9: will be going on anyway and that is the referrals the the getting out in front of ocp processes

[0:31:22] Voice 9: processes and informing discussing and collaborating before products are developed

[0:31:28] Voice 9: and earlier I think is going to be a net progress or an efficiency will be arrived at

[0:31:38] Voice 9: hopefully we're not too administrative as we all the parties in doing this work but I think that

[0:31:43] Voice 9: that is a competitive idea that we should we have to keep an eye on in terms of the ability to

[0:31:48] Voice 9: uh delegate that authority i um i'm seeing david here um he can answer specifically there it looks

[0:31:55] Voice 9: like there um is that ability in the future um as we see that being um necessary or we're feeling

[0:32:04] Voice 9: we have to disperse some of the ongoing responsibility maybe david you could help us out

[0:32:09] Voice 9: yeah

[0:32:10] Voice 22: thank you so islands trust act section 10 allows trust council by two-third majority bill

[0:32:19] Voice 22: to delegate coordination agreements

[0:32:22] Voice 22: to local trust committees that those are under section nine.

[0:32:26] Voice 22: So that would be a bylaw of trust council to do that.

[0:32:31] Voice 22: And we don't have that right now.

[0:32:32] Voice 22: So it would have taken too long to do it in this instance.

[0:32:37] Voice 22: Okay.

[0:32:38] Voice 9: Trust council may wish to work through

[0:32:41] Voice 9: this first agreement or maybe another protocol agreement

[0:32:44] Voice 9: and see how it goes and figure out what is the,

[0:32:47] over time, what

[0:32:48] Voice 9: is the best approach into the future?

[0:32:53] Voice 9: thanks okay

[0:32:55] Trustee Luckham: thank you um so i'll go to uh dad falk yeah

[0:33:01] Voice 6: thank you chair um i'll probably show some

[0:33:05] Voice 6: some of my ignorance here but um i i can't still find the agreement and uh i was wondering in the

[0:33:14] Voice 6: future if it could be attached to the invites because i wasn't able to find it before the

[0:33:20] Voice 6: the meeting and I have been searching my email since but the online web browser thing doesn't

[0:33:28] Voice 6: really allow me to search so if you just tell me who or send it out on the on the chat so I can

[0:33:36] Voice 6: find it I wondered if the I mean in general in favor of making agreements assuming like this

[0:33:47] Voice 6: uh but you know not having had a chance to study it yet i wondered if the comments by

[0:33:56] Voice 6: don corbin that was sent by email on monday and there's seven points or eight points sorry there

[0:34:04] Voice 6: and uh is would it be appropriate to address those points uh and uh yeah i just hope that

[0:34:16] Voice 6: we can have more time in the future and i understand there's been two years of discussions

[0:34:19] Voice 6: and of course I'm not wasn't a part of that so just you know to come up to speed I think

[0:34:25] Voice 6: it's important that we have time not just four days apparently yeah those are my comments thank

[0:34:34] Voice 6: you yeah

[0:34:35] Trustee Luckham: so thank you indeed this is a unique circumstance that this time crunch has come

[0:34:44] Trustee Luckham: come into play. And I wouldn't anticipate that

[0:34:47] Voice 10: this

[0:34:49] Trustee Luckham: might happen again. One can never say.

[0:34:51] Trustee Luckham: But just want to mention for your benefit that the document is on the web DAV, which you should

[0:35:00] Trustee Luckham: have access to on your computer. And if you don't have access to that, you'll want to talk to staff

[0:35:04] Trustee Luckham: about how to get that because that's where the agenda packages are stored under Trust Council.

[0:35:09] Trustee Luckham: Council. It should be there and the agreement is in there. And maybe I'll ask Lori. I presume that

[0:35:15] Trustee Luckham: that agreement is also available on the website on Trust Council meeting agenda. Indeed, other

[0:35:22] Trustee Luckham: members of the public have commented on the topic. That's correct. Yeah. So sorry that you're having

[0:35:29] Trustee Luckham: some difficulty there. With respect to the seven questions, certainly staff could go through each

[0:35:35] Trustee Luckham: one of those questions that was proposed i wonder whether or not you have a specific question from

[0:35:41] Trustee Luckham: that group or a number of specific questions from that group that you'd like to address but uh

[0:35:46] Trustee Luckham: otherwise um staffer do you want to touch on each of those items or would you prefer trustees to

[0:35:54] Trustee Luckham: ask their own questions what

[0:35:56] Voice 9: are you addressing that me sir yes sir i haven't really read that

[0:36:00] Voice 9: letter so i don't have um right to say i mean um i think we've received one l one piece of

[0:36:08] Voice 9: correspondence um um i haven't put any specific energy into interviewing at this point maybe other

[0:36:18] Voice 9: staff have um so i'm not in a good position to respond to a number of those notes right

[0:36:25] Trustee Luckham: so dad

[0:36:26] Trustee Luckham: did you have a specific question that you'd like to ask with respect to that correspondence

[0:36:35] Voice 10: You're muted, sir.

[0:36:40] Voice 6: Oh, sorry.

[0:36:41] Voice 6: No, I don't, I don't, as I don't have enough background knowledge to know which question

[0:36:46] Voice 6: is important, but I just think in general, when we get comments from people outside of

[0:36:53] Voice 6: the, the trustees, we should very seriously go through it to make sure that everything

[0:37:00] Voice 6: has, you know, to acknowledge that we have heard the concerns and that we have some thoughts

[0:37:05] Voice 6: on the concerns if we're either agreeing or disagreeing with them.

[0:37:09] Voice 6: rather than just going to say oh well you know we got a letter fine we heard you but you know

[0:37:14] Voice 6: nobody knows how we heard you um

[0:37:18] Trustee Luckham: and that's absolutely uh fair we we we shall address that

[0:37:25] Trustee Luckham: correspondence um because of course it came in late couldn't be added to the agenda and um

[0:37:31] Trustee Luckham: and will be received as correspondence at the next executive committee meeting i've already asked for

[0:37:38] Trustee Luckham: of that. I would say that some of the questions that were in there essentially didn't grasp all

[0:37:45] Trustee Luckham: of the particular surrounding a protocol agreement. I have read it, but I am not prepared

[0:37:54] Trustee Luckham: to answer them without the professional advice of our staff. And so we will receive that

[0:38:00] Trustee Luckham: correspondence and we can certainly respond to the writer as executive committee directs.

[0:38:06] Trustee Luckham: i'm going to move on now to susan yates and then it looks like toby elliott ah

[0:38:12] Voice 17: thank you chair

[0:38:13] Voice 17: luckham i am really pleased to see this come before us and i am so happy that the islands trust

[0:38:21] Voice 17: i think is on the cutting edge of real reconciliation action and you know um i'm

[0:38:30] Voice 17: I'm thinking about Trustee Boland's remarks about how are we going to manage this?

[0:38:36] Voice 17: This is our most important work, is working with First Nations when it comes to true reconciliation.

[0:38:44] Voice 17: And it isn't up to us to always figure out how to manage what they would like us to do.

[0:38:54] Voice 17: And I don't see anything like a template that would cover, you know, that would be relevant to all of the First Nations in the trust area.

[0:39:04] Voice 17: But certainly the more we do this, probably the better off we will get at working with items like this.

[0:39:15] Voice 17: So I say I'm just so pleased that we are able to work on this with this Nanas Nation.

[0:39:23] Voice 17: thank you thank

[0:39:27] Voice 8: you very much uh uh trustee elliott yeah

[0:39:33] Voice 21: thank you i do echo those thoughts

[0:39:35] Voice 21: um trustee yates um i had a thought when i when i heard the word efficiency and sort of managing

[0:39:44] Voice 21: this complexity of agreements and one thing that i'd put out there is that efficiency

[0:39:50] Voice 21: Efficiency and the way that we tend to do things can be a very colonial construct, and it's a product of the way that our processes work, but it doesn't necessarily take into account where each First Nation is with their processes, their relationship to the land, where they're at with the federal and provincial governments, and how they would like to engage.

[0:40:14] Voice 21: age and so I believe it's only in seeking to learn and really having a learner's mind about this that

[0:40:24] Voice 21: we don't we kind of need to put away our preconceived notions of how things will go and we

[0:40:29] Voice 21: can only do this in a good way through relationship and spending time together so it is going to take

[0:40:36] Voice 21: time it is about building relationship first rather than a product first you know we've often

[0:40:43] Voice 21: and put our products of OCPs, we need to get these bylaws passed, we need to advance our

[0:40:48] Voice 21: community interests. And what we're talking about is neighbor to neighbor interests, shared

[0:40:56] Voice 21: areas of mutual interest on the same lands, that we now have to take nation's interests into

[0:41:03] Voice 21: account. That is the law. So that is the law to according to DRIPA. And as an agency of the

[0:41:11] Voice 21: the province. We are bound by DRIPA and the province has a reconciliation action plan with

[0:41:16] Voice 21: many steps that it is undertaking and that will be carried along with that. And then we have a

[0:41:22] Voice 21: responsibility as a local government and as citizens to undertake reconciliation in our

[0:41:28] Voice 21: land use planning processes. It's very clearly spelled out. So I don't think there's any

[0:41:33] Voice 21: ambiguity about our responsibilities here. The author of that letter, I read through those

[0:41:38] Voice 21: comments. And I just think there's some confusion between what is constitutional duty of the Crown

[0:41:44] Voice 21: to consult with Aboriginal rights and title and local government responsibility to consult with

[0:41:51] Voice 21: nations. So I'm very satisfied that this document is a reflection of really good conversation between

[0:42:00] Voice 21: the nation that's involved and the local LTC that it wants to engage with. That's all this is.

[0:42:06] Voice 21: It doesn't have to be more complex than that. It sets out the terms for how they want to engage together. So I'm really pleased with it. I love to talk about this stuff with anybody. And I look forward to more of these conversations because this is an evolving area of law and relationship building. But I think that's what we need to remember. This is about relationship building first and setting those terms. So letting go a little bit of our efficiency construct might be helpful.

[0:42:34] Voice 10: both. Thank you, Trustee Elliott. Trustee Evans.

[0:42:44] Voice 20: Thank you. I was just going to say,

[0:42:47] Voice 20: Trustee Elliott, just spoke very eloquently exactly what I was thinking. And I just wanted

[0:42:53] Voice 20: to say that I am in support of this protocol agreement. From reading the agreement, I'm

[0:42:59] Voice 20: finding it's very open in the language that is being used in there. And it seems that it's a very

[0:43:05] Voice 20: very collaborative approach to furthering First Nations relationships with their land

[0:43:15] Voice 20: and the peoples that are living there and the makeup of the lands as they sit today.

[0:43:25] Voice 20: Each island is going to have a unique relationship with the various First Nations

[0:43:32] Voice 20: nations that have history on those lands and I don't think that we can make an overarching

[0:43:41] Voice 20: agreement that would be a one-size-fits-all I think that's going to be too constrictive and

[0:43:46] Voice 20: I really like how like I said open open this um protocol agreement is so I just wanted to speak

[0:43:53] Voice 20: my support and I'm going to keep it short because like I said trustee he spoke very eloquently about

[0:43:57] Voice 20: what I was thinking so thank you very much thank

[0:44:00] Trustee Luckham: you very much trustee Evans trustee Middleton

[0:44:02] Trustee Luckham: thank you

[0:44:06] Trustee Middleton: chair um i i believe in reconciliation that can be no such thing as a stupid question

[0:44:11] Trustee Middleton: it's important that we as citizens of of uh either settler communities or first nations that we

[0:44:18] Trustee Middleton: able to speak openly and freely with each other and that we don't uh delegate reconciliation to

[0:44:25] Trustee Middleton: a professional class so having said that i have a question that's probably somewhat naive uh

[0:44:32] Trustee Middleton: but I'm sure others have thought it.

[0:44:36] Trustee Middleton: The Slamet Nation expresses Aboriginal rights and title

[0:44:40] Trustee Middleton: to the territories also encompassing Leskeetee Island.

[0:44:44] Trustee Middleton: What does that mean in terms of our signing

[0:44:48] Trustee Middleton: protocol agreements with individual nations

[0:44:50] Trustee Middleton: where there is overlapping claim of right and title?

[0:44:53] Trustee Middleton: I know in some case there is obviously can be shared

[0:44:55] Trustee Middleton: right and title, but it's a genuine question.

[0:44:59] Trustee Middleton: I'm just curious what happens there or how do we navigate that or do we navigate that?

[0:45:05] Trustee Middleton: Thank you.

[0:45:08] Voice 14: I'll try and answer that question. At

[0:45:10] Voice 15: this time, we have relationships with multiple

[0:45:13] Voice 15: nations and really it's for senior levels of government to establish final settlement of

[0:45:19] Voice 15: treaty. At this stage, that is partly why we send it to the minister for review. At this stage,

[0:45:25] Voice 15: though, we have these relationships already. This is just formalizing how we're going to engage in

[0:45:30] Voice 15: conversation with the existing relationships that we have but certainly i'm sure the minister will

[0:45:35] Voice 15: be contemplating issues of rights and title and treaty negotiation as the minister contemplates

[0:45:40] Voice 15: approval of this agreement and if the province would like to see something tweaked then they'll

[0:45:44] Voice 15: certainly let us

[0:45:46] Voice 14: know and we'll work with them around that thank

[0:45:52] Trustee Luckham: you for that question trustee

[0:45:56] Trustee Luckham: middleton and the answer um um director freighter um i'll just uh actually add you know at a previous

[0:46:04] Trustee Luckham: meeting and claire you might remember when we received it we got a beautiful chart actually

[0:46:08] Trustee Luckham: first nations by local trust area island municipality that indeed shows the complexity

[0:46:15] Trustee Luckham: of the mosaic of the interests that nations have some nations have expressed interest in

[0:46:23] Trustee Luckham: every island in the Islands Trust area, and some have expressed interest in a few.

[0:46:30] Trustee Luckham: And so it is a complex matrix. And indeed, those conversations will be ongoing.

[0:46:37] Trustee Luckham: This protocol will facilitate us having those conversations, I think. So thank you for that

[0:46:43] Trustee Luckham: question. And we'll move forward as best we can. I see, Lee, I'll get you to lower your hand and

[0:46:51] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Fast, over to you.

[0:46:56] Voice 12: Thank you, Chair. I'm in a public area, so I'll keep this really short.

[0:47:00] Voice 12: As a member of Bowen Island Municipality, as well as Islands Trust Council, I just want to note

[0:47:07] Voice 12: Bowen Island Municipality has a protocol agreement with Islands Trust Council, and it's just a

[0:47:17] Voice 12: neutral document that is there for reference as people come and go into the organizations,

[0:47:22] Voice 12: and it's for reference about how we work together

[0:47:26] Voice 12: and the relationship that we have.

[0:47:28] Voice 12: It's never been a negative thing.

[0:47:30] Voice 12: It's been in place for 20 years.

[0:47:32] Voice 12: I support this motion.

[0:47:33] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:47:35] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[0:47:36] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Sue Ellen Fast.

[0:47:39] Trustee Luckham: Toby Elliott, do you have a follow-up question?

[0:47:43] Voice 21: Yeah, I'd like to just make a final comment

[0:47:45] Voice 21: and then if we could move the question,

[0:47:49] Voice 21: if there's no further discussion,

[0:47:51] Voice 21: I would just, in answer to Trustee Middleton's question, there's a pretty clear distinction between the local government engagement with First Nations and the province's constitutional duty to consult.

[0:48:04] Voice 21: They're very different. And that's so the engagement between local governments and First Nations and activities that could impact Aboriginal interests are considered a forum for exploring these opportunities for cooperation and collaboration.

[0:48:21] Voice 21: I'm reading literally from the province of BC's sort of directive. And so I think it's helpful to, we really need to put aside the question of treaty rights. That's not ours to consider. There are overlapping rights, of course.

[0:48:38] Voice 21: And as Director Frater said, that's up to the minister to sort of sort out the intent, I believe, of protocol agreements. And just like Trustee Fass said, is how do we work together? What are we talking about?

[0:48:52] Voice 21: And so it'd be great if we could have multiple protocol agreements with every nation in the Liskiti local trust area, because then we're going to be able to work out those potential disagreements or issues of discussion on a very friendly level, instead of sort of being afraid to engage because, oh, we're talking to one nation, but this nation has treaty rights.

[0:49:15] Voice 21: So I think it actually sets us up for better cooperation and lessens the potential of making mistakes and treading into areas that aren't our jurisdiction.

[0:49:28] Voice 21: So, yeah, again, these are all great questions, and I think this is a really exciting emerging area, as Trustee Yates said.

[0:49:37] Voice 21: And the Islands Trust can be on the leading edge because there is this complexity of all the nations in the mosaic.

[0:49:45] Voice 21: So are we okay to move the question?

[0:49:48] Voice 21: And is everyone sort of satisfied, Chair?

[0:49:53] Trustee Luckham: I see there are at least one more speaker here.

[0:49:56] Trustee Luckham: And so I do want to acknowledge the speaker's list.

[0:49:59] Trustee Luckham: And then certainly I'm keen to bring the vote to a conclusion if we can.

[0:50:05] Trustee Luckham: So Ken Hunter, over to you.

[0:50:07] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair Luckham.

[0:50:09] Voice 7: I apologize for joining late.

[0:50:11] Voice 7: I was on the ferry and my hotspot Wi-Fi wasn't keeping up.

[0:50:14] Voice 7: So here I am now.

[0:50:16] Voice 7: I didn't hear all the questions. So if I'm repeating, please let me know. On the implementation and communications part, the Trust Council will appoint a working group with meetings for 2023 and 2024. Has anyone discussed the cost of that or and why they're not public?

[0:50:40] Voice 7: I did

[0:50:44] Voice 18: at least the cost or the resource demand yeah yeah

[0:50:50] Trustee Luckham: so that is covered in the um RFD uh

[0:50:53] Trustee Luckham: in broad strokes but I'll turn to the CAO to perhaps clarify that well Claire can support me

[0:51:01] Trustee Luckham: in this thank you uh

[0:51:04] Voice 15: so certainly we've noted that we're estimating about 10 hours um of

[0:51:08] Voice 15: administrative time per meeting and it's the agreement is calling for four virtual meetings

[0:51:12] Voice 15: a year and then and then any associated staff time depending on the context of what's being

[0:51:18] Voice 15: discussed to attend those meetings and then in terms of public meetings these are not considered

[0:51:24] Voice 15: to be public meetings because they're meeting they're intergovernmental meetings and not

[0:51:28] Voice 15: constituting a meeting

[0:51:30] Voice 14: of a committee thank

[0:51:33] Voice 10: you okay not seeing any other questions let's pause

[0:51:41] Voice 10: for a moment. And so I'm going to

[0:51:46] Trustee Luckham: call the motion which was moved by Trustee Elliott and seconded

[0:51:51] Trustee Luckham: by Trustee Peterson. And it is the motion that's in the RFD. It is up on your screen. And so to

[0:52:00] Trustee Luckham: help us count votes, I'm going to ask you to raise your hands electronically. Now, if you are in

[0:52:05] Trustee Luckham: favor, those in favor of the motion as moved

[0:52:08] Voice 10: and seconded. And David, when you're

[0:52:16] Trustee Luckham: ready, you can

[0:52:17] Trustee Luckham: advise me to call yeah

[0:52:19] Voice 10: i i see 16

[0:52:20] Voice 22: in favor chair and we have uh 20 trustees and sevens

[0:52:28] Trustee Luckham: okay so

[0:52:30] Trustee Luckham: then if you could lower your hands please lower your hand there sue ellen thank you and uh now

[0:52:40] Trustee Luckham: those opposed to uh the motion please raise your hand those

[0:52:51] Voice 10: opposed to the motion uh two opposed

[0:52:57] Trustee Luckham: So then the motion carries and I thank everybody for their discussion and debate today and

[0:53:04] Trustee Luckham: I thank you for your votes and this will now be forwarded to the minister for approval

[0:53:13] Trustee Luckham: and we'll continue on.

[0:53:15] Trustee Luckham: So at this juncture that concludes our business today and like I said must be the fastest

[0:53:23] Trustee Luckham: just a LTC council meeting on record.

[0:53:26] Trustee Luckham: And I thank you all for that

[0:53:28] Trustee Luckham: and wish you all a very good day.

[0:53:30] Trustee Luckham: And I'll call for the meeting to be adjourned.

[0:53:32] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[0:53:36] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see a bunch of other hands up,

[0:53:38] Trustee Luckham: but I'm guessing those are all the ones in favor

[0:53:40] Trustee Luckham: of adjourning the meeting.

[0:53:42] Trustee Luckham: So thank you.

[0:53:43] Trustee Luckham: If there's any feedback,

[0:53:44] Trustee Luckham: certainly the executive committee is happy

[0:53:46] Trustee Luckham: to receive feedback with respect to the meeting by email.

[0:53:50] Voice 7: Chair Luckom?

[0:53:52] Trustee Luckham: Yes, sir.

[0:53:52] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[0:53:53] Voice 7: it's Trustee Hunter. Could I please have my name in the record as being opposed?

[0:54:00] Voice 7: Yes, certainly you can do.

[0:54:01] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:54:07] Trustee Luckham: So you'll capture that, Laurie?

[0:54:11] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[0:54:12] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. So then that does it, everybody. Have a great afternoon, and thank you for being

[0:54:17] Trustee Luckham: here today and supporting this important work that the Island Trust is embarking on with the

[0:54:22] Trustee Luckham: that's not on us, First Nation.

[0:54:26] Trustee Luckham: And Luskeetee Island, of course.

[0:54:28] Voice 10: Thanks, everybody.

[0:54:29] Voice 10: Have a great day.

[0:54:31] Voice 10: Thank you, goodbye.

[0:54:36] Voice 10: Thanks, Tom.

[0:54:37] Voice 10: Thanks, everybody.

Island Trust Council Special Electronic Meeting   Minutes 
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Trust Council 
Special Electronic Meeting Minutes 
 
Date:  
 
Location:  
 
March 28, 2023 
 
The meeting was conducted electronically from 
Islands Trust Victoria office boardroom 
#200 – 1627 Fort Street, Victoria BC 
where the public could see and hear the meeting. 
 
Executive: 1. Peter Luckham, Chair, Thetis 
 2. David Maude, Vice-Chair, Mayne 
 3. Tim Peterson, Vice-Chair, Lasqueti 
4. Tobi Elliott, Vice-Chair, Gabriola 
 
Trustees 
Present: 
5. Ben Mabberley, Galiano 
6. Deb Morrison, North Pender 
7. Dag Falck, South Pender 
8. David Graham, Denman 
9. Judith Gedye, Bowen Municipal 
10. Kate Louise Stamford, Gambier 
11. Ken Hunter, Thetis 
12. Kristina Evans, South Pender 
13. Laura Patrick, Salt Spring 
14. Lee Middleton, Saturna 
15. Lisa Gauvreau, Galiano 
16. Mairead Boland, Saturna 
17. Mikaila Lironi, Lasqueti 
18. Sam Borthwick, Denman 
19. Sue Ellen Fast, Bowen Municipal 
20. Susan Yates, Gabriola 
 
  
Trustee 
Regrets/Absent: 
 
 
 
 
21. Alex Allen, Hornby 
22. Joe Bernardo, Gambier/Keats 
23. Aaron Campbell, North Pender 
24. Jeanine Dodds, Mayne 
25. Jamie Harris, Salt Spring 
26. Grant Scott, Hornby 
 
Staff Present: Russ Hotsenpiller, Chief Administrative Officer (boardroom) 
 David Marlor, Director, Legislative Services (boardroom) 
 Clare Frater, Director, Trust Area Services (boardroom) 
 Stefan Cermak, Director, Planning Services 
Lori Foster, Executive Coordinator/Recorder (boardroom) 
 

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Electronic 
Attendees: 
 
One member of the public attended electronically 
 
Notice of this Special Electronic Meeting (SEM) was posted to the Islands Trust website and at all Islands 
Trust offices (Victoria, Salt Spring and Gabriola) on March 24, 2023, following carried resolution without 
meeting TC-RWM-2023-001 to schedule meeting. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER / LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
 
At 1:02 p.m., Chair Luckham called the Special Electronic Meeting to order stating “it is a 
beautiful sunny day on Thetis Island where I live and am elected, on Lyackson and Penelakut 
First Nation territory and, that Trust Council is meeting broadly across Coast Salish territory.” 
 
Chair Luckham conducted trustee introductions, there were 19 trustees present when the 
meeting was called to order. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
TC-2023-040 
It was Moved by Trustee Borthwick and Seconded by Trustee Graham, 
That the agenda be adopted as presented. 
 
CARRIED 
3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
 
3.1 Protocol Agreement between Islands Trust Council and Snaw-naw-as First Nation – 
RFD 
 
Trustee Hunter left the meeting at 1:15 p.m. 
 
Chair Luckham introduced the request for decision (RFD) as presented.   
 
Chief Administrative Officer (CAO) Hotsenpiller and Director of Trust Area Services 
(DTAS) Frater also reviewed the RFD with trustees. 
 
The motion was moved and seconded.   
 
Trustee Middleton joined the meeting at 1:23 p.m. 
 
Trustee Hunter joined the meeting at 1:31 p.m. 
 
Discussion ensued regarding the following: 
 Other First Nations having interests on Lasqueti Island. 
 Duty to engage First Nations by law. 
 Implementation, communications and other costs of the agreement. 
 
 

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TC-2023-041 
It was Moved by Trustee Elliott and Seconded by Trustee Peterson, 
That the Islands Trust Council approve the Protocol Agreement between Islands Trust 
Council and Snaw-naw-as First Nation and request staff to forward the Protocol 
Agreement to the Minister of Municipal Affairs for approval. 
CARRIED 
18 in favour 2 opposed 
Trustee Hunter requested that his OPPOSED vote be recorded in the minutes. 
4. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent, at 2:00 p.m., the meeting was adjourned. 
 
 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
Certified Correct 
 
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Lori Foster, Executive Coordinator/Recorder