Islands Trust Programs Committee regular meeting, April 3, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 8: in the past week. I've been up in Dawson Creek where it's been bright and sunny and snowing at

[0:00:06] Voice 8: the same time, which has been quite funny. So I would like to say that today we are meeting in

[0:00:14] Voice 8: the Islands Trust lands and waters that encompass the Islands Trust area that have been home to

[0:00:20] Voice 8: Indigenous people since time immemorial. We are committed to reconciliation and to working

[0:00:26] Voice 8: working together to preserve this ecologically, culturally and spiritually significant region

[0:00:31] Voice 8: in the Salish Sea.

[0:00:32] Voice 8: The Islands Trust Area is located in the treaty lands and territories of many Coast Salish

[0:00:38] Voice 8: First Nations peoples.

[0:00:40] Voice 8: So on that

[0:00:42] Voice 6: note, if we can bring up the agenda, I would like to call this meeting to order.

[0:00:55] Voice 6: So I would

[0:00:59] Voice 8: like to ask, does anyone have any comments regarding the agenda or if we can

[0:01:05] Voice 8: adopt the agenda as

[0:01:07] Voice 6: it stands. I'm not seeing anybody raising their hands, so

[0:01:18] Voice 8: by general consent

[0:01:19] Voice 8: I'm going to say that the agenda has been adopted as is. So are there any late items or new items

[0:01:30] Voice 8: coming in? I'm guessing not because nobody raised their hands. Perfect, okay, so the agenda is

[0:01:38] Voice 8: approved. Do we have any public on the call this morning? Is there anyone that has any public

[0:01:45] Voice 8: comments that you'd like to bring forward?

[0:01:48] Voice 18: No, there are no attendees other than

[0:01:52] Voice 18: three of the delegates, which sure we'll be ready to do, but there are no other

[0:01:56] Voice 18: members of the public present. All

[0:01:59] Voice 8: right, thank you very much.

[0:02:01] Voice 8: Then if there are no public comments, we'll go straight into the delegations. And the first

[0:02:07] Voice 8: delegate that we've got on our agenda is Adam Olson from the Southern Gulf Islands Forum.

[0:02:14] Voice 18: Adam is not present, but his colleague Laura Parker is, and I can transfer her into being

[0:02:22] Voice 18: a panelist.

[0:02:23] Voice 6: Perfect.

[0:02:24] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:02:24] Voice 6: Let me know when she's there.

[0:02:40] Voice 7: She is present and

[0:02:41] Voice 18: she is able to speak.

[0:02:44] Voice 6: Perfect.

[0:02:44] Voice 6: Good morning, Laura.

[0:02:45] Voice 6: How are you?

[0:02:48] Voice 6: Adam is just finishing up in caucus.

[0:02:50] Voice 6: He will be in momentarily.

[0:02:52] Voice 6: Apologies for that.

[0:02:54] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:02:54] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[0:02:55] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:02:55] Voice 8: so we'll just wait a couple of minutes for him to join or

[0:03:02] Voice 6: change the order delegates

[0:03:04] Voice 6: i

[0:03:06] Voice 8: can do that

[0:03:07] Voice 6: does anybody object to changing the order that put him okay yeah so we got off

[0:03:20] Voice 9: to a brisk start this morning so we had advised he would start at 10 10 sort of allowing for 10

[0:03:25] Voice 9: minutes for starting the meeting and settling in so we've had a very efficient beginning to

[0:03:29] Voice 9: the meeting so we're ahead of schedule i

[0:03:31] Voice 6: apologize for

[0:03:32] Voice 8: that okay so then we'll move on to the second

[0:03:36] Voice 8: person francine carlin president and board chair of the rural islands economic partnership and we

[0:03:42] Voice 8: will return to adam olson afterwards is everybody okay with that does anybody object nobody objects

[0:03:49] Voice 8: perfect okay then we

[0:03:51] Voice 6: will move on to francine if they're present and let me know if she's online

[0:04:06] Voice 6: line?

[0:04:11] Voice 7: Francine is present and she should be able to speak now.

[0:04:14] Voice 6: Good morning, Francine. Good morning,

[0:04:18] Voice 3: folks. Good to see everybody. I guess we're seeing everybody. I don't know. Okay, so what would you

[0:04:26] Voice 3: like me to do? You want a presentation? I was going to speak to the request that the Rural

[0:04:35] Voice 3: Islands Economic Partnership receive administrative support for the 2024 Virtual Rural Islands

[0:04:41] Voice 3: Economic Forum and I was going to basically speak to the fact that the Rural Islands Economic

[0:04:48] Voice 3: Partnership is three years young and we have been working very diligently to support the

[0:04:58] Voice 3: economic vibrancy of the rural islands through these various virtual engagements.

[0:05:04] Voice 3: We are just in the process of finalizing the organization of our in-person forum, which is taking place on Gabrielle Island on April 25th through 27th.

[0:05:18] Voice 3: The virtual forum that we're asking the island's trustees to support has been supported by the trustees in 2021 and 2022 as a way to engage communities across the islands.

[0:05:30] Voice 3: um they are been very successful bringing together 80 to 100 people to begin to address

[0:05:39] Voice 3: some of the issues facing uh rural island communities from through an economic lens

[0:05:44] Voice 3: particularly as it relates to sector strength and development across the arts across

[0:05:51] Voice 3: agriculture across um tourism looking at ways to have shared uh approaches to economic uh capacity

[0:06:00] Voice 3: building. So I don't know what else I need to say right now in terms of what the request was to have

[0:06:09] Voice 3: support with the virtual forum in March of 2024. And basically means that we'd be asking for

[0:06:20] Voice 3: support with registration, administrative management related to managing the multiple

[0:06:26] Voice 3: multiple tasks that go

[0:06:27] Voice 6: to organizing an online event.

[0:06:32] Voice 6: So any questions, comments?

[0:06:34] Voice 6: I'm not seeing anyone's hands up at the moment.

[0:06:46] Voice 6: Does anyone have any comments or questions?

[0:06:53] Voice 6: Trustee Fast?

[0:06:55] Voice 6: Yeah, thank you for your presentation,

[0:06:57] Voice 4: Francine.

[0:06:58] Voice 4: I'm looking also at your letter, which is in our package.

[0:07:02] Voice 4: And so it's really helpful to see some of the other work

[0:07:08] Voice 4: that you do um as well and the islands that are participating in your uh project i'm wondering

[0:07:15] Voice 4: if you can tell us a little bit more about the um arts agriculture and tourism you mentioned

[0:07:22] Voice 4: and how they relate to rural as in rural islands well

[0:07:27] Voice 3: the rural islands are uh over as you will

[0:07:30] Voice 3: probably know um represent over 18 islands that have have considerable residency on it year round

[0:07:38] Voice 3: and as you are probably aware living on an island yourself that there are businesses and activities

[0:07:44] Voice 3: that support the economic vitality of these islands we've got agricultural food hubs we've

[0:07:50] Voice 3: got the year-round tourism uh destination experiences the arts are are part of our

[0:07:56] Voice 3: vitality of the islands keeping the culture and the and the heritage alive um that's there was

[0:08:02] Voice 3: There's no voice for the rural islands

[0:08:05] Voice 3: from an economic perspective for years.

[0:08:08] Voice 3: And we appreciate all the work the Islands Trust does,

[0:08:11] Voice 3: but the work of the Rural Islands Economic Partnership

[0:08:14] Voice 3: is to amplify the ability for the islands

[0:08:18] Voice 3: to continue to sustain themselves

[0:08:19] Voice 3: from one generation to the next.

[0:08:21] Voice 3: That it's a place where people live and work.

[0:08:24] Voice 3: And we wanna make sure that people are able to live

[0:08:27] Voice 3: and work on these islands

[0:08:29] Voice 3: and continue the work of keeping the island's vibe alive

[0:08:34] Voice 3: through business, through arts, through visitation,

[0:08:38] Voice 3: through collaboration across all sectors

[0:08:41] Voice 3: to keep our economic vibrancy sustained.

[0:08:46] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:08:48] Voice 8: Thank you so much, that was great.

[0:08:50] Voice 8: Trustee Allen has a question.

[0:08:54] Voice 5: Thanks Francine.

[0:08:57] Voice 5: Maybe you should do a plug,

[0:08:58] Voice 5: i'm doing a plug for your event that's on uh gabriella at the end of the month that i'm

[0:09:04] Voice 5: yes we would love to attend and it gives an example of what your organization got

[0:09:11] Voice 5: the group because it's uh it's it's a great initiative and you guys

[0:09:16] Voice 3: well thank you thank you we're excited to have it on gabriola worked really hard to support a local

[0:09:25] Voice 3: community space that has been quite well received by the community.

[0:09:31] Voice 3: So we're looking forward to a full house at the Haven on Gabriela on the 25th through

[0:09:36] Voice 3: the 27th.

[0:09:37] Voice 3: So thank you.

[0:09:39] Voice 3: We've invited all the trustees.

[0:09:42] Voice 3: Unfortunately, the merge letter didn't come out as well as they wanted it to be.

[0:09:46] Voice 3: So we're going to be following up to help people register for the event.

[0:09:51] Voice 3: So yeah, we're real excited about it.

[0:09:54] Voice 3: The virtual event is not the same as the in-person, but we're basically what we're asking for is support for the virtual event.

[0:10:00] Voice 3: Because the idea is not to have one event, it's to create a community, a voice.

[0:10:04] Voice 3: And we found there's a lot of uptake for this, supporting the work of the trust, supporting the work of the islands through the partnership.

[0:10:13] Voice 3: It's the same path, you know, it's just vibrancy and keeping the islands vibe alive.

[0:10:19] Voice 3: so

[0:10:20] Voice 8: perfect I actually have a question myself if I may sure so you said that this this year it's

[0:10:28] Voice 8: the in-person forum on Gabriela is there and I know that you've had a virtual in the past

[0:10:33] Voice 8: are you planning on another virtual um so that more people that aren't able to get to Gabriela

[0:10:40] Voice 8: in person can hear all of the all of the things that you're saying when at this at this particular

[0:10:47] Voice 8: for that forum well

[0:10:48] Voice 3: that's what my letter was it was for 23 it was for 24 um 23 24 it's a virtual

[0:10:54] Voice 3: it would be a virtual event in either late november or early uh january february 2024

[0:11:02] Voice 3: we realized and we have virtual events all year round through our connection cafes but the

[0:11:08] Voice 3: that are very focused on specific specific topics but the virtual events bring together

[0:11:15] Voice 3: together people who can't travel because you know traveling is a bit of a challenge across

[0:11:19] Voice 3: these islands and uh we really appreciate people taking the time to get on the ferry and

[0:11:23] Voice 3: do that uh to take that journey but yes we will continue to have virtual forums that's what my

[0:11:29] Voice 3: request is to the uh secretary is to have a support for the 2023-24 which is the fall

[0:11:40] Voice 3: winter yeah so

[0:11:41] Voice 8: this this upcoming one in april will not be virtual but we won't have an ability

[0:11:46] Voice 8: to virtually watch no no

[0:11:48] Voice 8: no

[0:11:50] Voice 3: it's very expensive to do virtual yeah no

[0:11:52] Voice 8: it's the request i'm saying

[0:11:54] Voice 8: this for people that that haven't seen your letter that are that oh

[0:11:57] Voice 3: okay sorry okay

[0:11:58] Voice 8: that

[0:12:00] Voice 8: that the request is for the ability to have you're requesting money so that you can have a virtual

[0:12:05] Voice 8: for the upcoming forum so that people that aren't able to attend in person, so that we're clear on

[0:12:11] Voice 8: what you're asking for. Thanks. I

[0:12:13] Voice 3: appreciate that, Chair.

[0:12:14] Voice 8: No worries. Okay. Does anybody else have

[0:12:17] Voice 8: any questions or comments? I just saw a note that the next speaker will be 10.15, 10.20.

[0:12:26] Voice 8: So we have like another five minutes if anybody has anything else that they'd like to

[0:12:31] Voice 6: to ask or clarify please come to the in-person forum uh

[0:12:40] Trustee Luckham: chair i have a question you

[0:12:43] Voice 8: bet go ahead

[0:12:44] Voice 8: um thank you

[0:12:47] Trustee Luckham: very much just looking at your uh website here and wondering about broad

[0:12:52] Trustee Luckham: membership um outside of the gulf islands um is there a paid membership or is there a

[0:13:03] Trustee Luckham: costs associated with attending the forum like is there is there potential for you to be generating

[0:13:09] Trustee Luckham: revenue internally uh

[0:13:12] Voice 3: right now uh this is a break-even event we're probably going to lose

[0:13:16] Voice 3: money so um the uh the fee for the for members uh to join is is to join reap is 25 and then

[0:13:27] Voice 3: there's access to member rates which is 300 for two you know two and a half days

[0:13:32] Voice 3: of program and food um the early bird rate ends on uh april 7th but in terms of generating revenue

[0:13:43] Voice 3: we don't generate

[0:13:44] Voice 6: revenue with covering costs okay thank you

[0:13:48] Voice 6: well okay so if

[0:13:56] Voice 8: there are no

[0:13:58] Voice 8: additional questions for francine um excuse your welcome do you have another question oh sorry no

[0:14:05] Trustee Luckham: I'll lower my hand no

[0:14:07] Voice 8: worries all right thank you very much Francine we will check in with Laura

[0:14:13] Voice 8: and see if Adam Olson is available now I

[0:14:20] Voice 6: see he's in the meeting with us also called Laura

[0:14:24] Voice 8: so I'm having to scroll through my speakers to try and find where people are so Adam Olson are you

[0:14:32] Voice 8: are you available? I am.

[0:14:35] Voice 8: Perfect. Then I'll send it over to you.

[0:14:38] Voice 2: Rename myself. There we go.

[0:14:42] Voice 2: Well, good morning. And I am here very briefly, just to raise, I guess, and elevate the work

[0:14:52] Voice 2: that's been happening at the Southern Gulf Islands Forum. And the value, I think, that this

[0:14:58] Voice 2: uh organization the collaboration between my office and the islands trust i just want to first

[0:15:04] Voice 2: acknowledge uh the contributions um and the request for ongoing support for forums like the

[0:15:11] Voice 2: gulf islands uh southern gulf islands forum um sorry i'm just wanting to make sure that can you

[0:15:20] Voice 2: can everybody hear me fine yes

[0:15:22] Voice 8: thank you yeah

[0:15:23] Voice 2: so um we uh i i feel like uh you know throughout the

[0:15:29] Voice 2: last term we we gained some momentum and then we had an election of course and so now we've

[0:15:37] Voice 2: had the opportunity to get together we got together uh in partly in a well in hybrid i

[0:15:42] Voice 2: guess uh form uh just a few weeks back to talk about our purpose and the collaboration across

[0:15:49] Voice 2: the different government governing bodies and i guess i'm just here today to to really encourage

[0:15:56] Voice 2: encourage that this collaboration can continue. My office continues to be able to provide staff

[0:16:02] Voice 2: and kind of administrative support for the Southern Gulf Islands Forum, and we'll continue

[0:16:10] Voice 2: to lean into that. And certainly hoping that the collaboration between my office and the

[0:16:16] Voice 2: Islands Trust can continue as we look to stand up and advocate for these beautiful Southern Gulf

[0:16:23] Voice 2: Islands.

[0:16:26] Voice 8: Thank you very much Adam. Does anybody have any questions for Adam regarding the Southern

[0:16:32] Voice 8: Gulf Island Forum and

[0:16:34] Voice 6: what it does? I'm not seeing any hands being raised.

[0:16:42] Voice 8: Adam would you like to

[0:16:43] Voice 8: just briefly go over some of the topics that are or some of the items that are being dealt with

[0:16:51] Voice 8: through the Southern Gulf Island Forum and how they impact the people that live here just so that

[0:16:57] Voice 8: that we can understand why this is important to continue

[0:17:01] Voice 8: and why you're coming to for funding?

[0:17:05] Voice 2: Yeah, sure.

[0:17:06] Voice 2: I mean, I think the obvious area

[0:17:09] Voice 2: where there is multi-jurisdictional kind of a swampiness

[0:17:14] Voice 2: maybe would be the best, lack of clarity

[0:17:16] Voice 2: would be around the marine environment, the shorelines

[0:17:20] Voice 2: and all of the different jurisdictions and authorities.

[0:17:25] Voice 2: So we've been having conversations about that, having conversations, of course, about anchorages.

[0:17:31] Voice 2: But also there are a variety of different layers to health, to housing, to regulation, to enforcement,

[0:17:42] Voice 2: that when we come together and have these conversations in our monthly discussions,

[0:17:47] Voice 2: discussions. I think we find that we have had some progress on or at the very least there we

[0:17:55] Voice 2: use the body as a way to form and to create some common ground across the different islands and

[0:18:04] Voice 2: the different communities. So from my perspective, it allows for us to be very accessible to one

[0:18:10] Voice 2: one another and um we are still kind of in the because there's a whole pile of new uh southern

[0:18:17] Voice 2: gulf islands trustees around the table i think we're really still in the forming stage as to

[0:18:22] Voice 2: what issues and what topics we're going to be agreeing together collectively that we're going

[0:18:28] Voice 2: to work on uh certainly communication it was a high priority in our last conversation

[0:18:33] Voice 2: and these facilitated the facilitated aspect of it is very good because at the very beginning of

[0:18:40] Voice 2: this it was about all of the elected officials being around the table together we all have a

[0:18:45] Voice 2: different role and and so for the first while I kind of served as the the chair as we were coming

[0:18:51] Voice 2: together but my goal is to really be a participant as well as I represent the provincial aspect of

[0:18:58] Voice 2: this so i think uh i'm really looking forward to the the coming meetings uh we don't have a meeting

[0:19:05] Voice 2: this month but we have a meeting next month and and really starting to uh find our way with this

[0:19:12] Voice 2: new uh trust council and and um the new trustees around the table i guess i'll also just say that

[0:19:19] Voice 2: as an extension of this i held a series of community meetings across the southern gulf

[0:19:24] Voice 2: islands and invited my local government colleagues to be there and to participate and we really i

[0:19:30] Voice 2: think saw the benefit of that as well there was uh some really i think high quality multi-jurisdictional

[0:19:36] Voice 2: conversations that that happened as as people saw just how often my office and your office and our

[0:19:44] Voice 2: crd and and regional district directors offices are actually in communication with each other

[0:19:50] Voice 2: and needing to coordinate on the important issues that are facing our community.

[0:19:55] Voice 2: So that's the kind of collaborative spirit that I'm hoping that the Southern Gulf Islands Forum can continue to foster.

[0:20:06] Voice 8: Thank you so much for that clarification. That's great.

[0:20:09] Voice 8: I'll ask again if anybody has any additional questions for Adam.

[0:20:17] Voice 10: Awesome.

[0:20:18] Voice 8: I'm not seeing anybody raise their hand.

[0:20:20] Voice 8: Thank you so much, Adam. Really appreciate it.

[0:20:23] Voice 8: appreciate

[0:20:23] Voice 2: the few minutes today and all the best in your conversations thank

[0:20:27] Voice 8: you so much

[0:20:28] Voice 2: see ya thank

[0:20:30] Voice 8: you um staff nickel can we get the agenda back up again it's disappeared from the

[0:20:37] Voice 8: screen and i can't see who our next speaker is the

[0:20:41] Voice 18: next speaker is lindsey smith of the coastal

[0:20:44] Voice 18: douglas fir conservation partnership perfect

[0:20:48] Voice 8: thank you so much lindsey are you there i'll just

[0:20:52] Voice 7: just transfer her

[0:20:53] Voice 6: over now let me know when she's in she

[0:21:08] Voice 7: is present and would should be able to

[0:21:12] Voice 18: unmute

[0:21:14] Voice 8: perfect welcome lindsay hello and i'll

[0:21:17] Voice 1: turn it over to you

[0:21:17] Voice 8: oh

[0:21:18] Voice 1: thank you um so i was just

[0:21:20] Voice 1: going to give you um a quick introduction to the coastal douglas for conservation partnership as

[0:21:25] Voice 1: it might be um a new entity to you um and then just tell you a little bit about how um the islands

[0:21:32] Voice 1: Trust Secretariat funding has helped us in the past few years and also kind of what we're asking

[0:21:38] Voice 1: for in the future. So the partnership itself is a collaboration of agencies, organisations and

[0:21:47] Voice 1: land managers who are interested in promoting the conservation and stewardship of the coastal

[0:21:51] Voice 1: Douglas fir forest, its associated ecosystems by sharing knowledge and by supporting development

[0:21:57] Voice 1: So when we talk about the interest area for the partnership, we're talking about forests, wetlands, grasslands, shrublands present along the east coast of Vancouver Island, the islands within the Salish Sea, and also along the west coast of BC Lower Mainland.

[0:22:15] Voice 1: And those ecosystems are quite unique because they're in that rain shadow of Vancouver, its island, and it's creating that sort of Mediterranean-like climate that's rich in flora and fauna.

[0:22:25] Voice 1: And those ecosystems are also of high cultural value. So the Coast Salish people have been using them in terms of food, medicine, well-being and shelter.

[0:22:35] Voice 1: And their stewardship has actually altered sort of the land and the water and influenced the range of the species that can be found within the forest and the Garyo ecosystems.

[0:22:44] Voice 1: However, the coastal Douglas fir, moist maritime and the coastal western hemlock, very dry maritime are under pressure from urbanisation and deforestation.

[0:22:54] Voice 1: And that sort of resulted in the loss of most of the old growth forest in our area with only 1% remaining and 49% of the land base has been permanently covered by sort of human activities.

[0:23:06] Voice 1: It's estimated about, well, it's calculated that 11% of the CDF is protected in conservation areas, but the majority of that land is still in private ownership.

[0:23:17] Voice 1: That means that local governments like the Islands Trust have a significant role to play in protecting those ecosystems and making sure that they're healthy.

[0:23:28] Voice 1: So they're providing storage for water, carbon, urban cooling and resilience for fire and for the recreation space for the community.

[0:23:37] Voice 1: The Islands Trust and the Islands Conservancy have been part of the partnership since its formation in 2010.

[0:23:43] Voice 1: 2010 and we've worked with the trust to provide information to support your decision making in

[0:23:49] Voice 1: such things such as prioritize r which was basically a tool which identified land land

[0:23:54] Voice 1: parcels of high ecological value within the trust area for either protection or purchase and this

[0:24:00] Voice 1: year we've done a review with several of the planners within the trust area around a planning

[0:24:06] Voice 1: tool called density transfer the islands trust is provided as secretariat funding to the partnership

[0:24:12] Voice 1: for the last uh three years and this has enabled us to extend uh the work that we do so in 2002

[0:24:19] Voice 1: the secretariat funding enabled us to form a new group called the coastal oak and prairie working

[0:24:25] Voice 1: group and that brought together organizations and first nations throughout the islands trust

[0:24:30] Voice 1: area and beyond to coordinate conservation efforts in the gary oak ecosystems and that's actually

[0:24:36] Voice 1: enabled us this year to do an application to the federal government for a pilot restoration team

[0:24:41] Voice 1: to work on land management for all of the members within the working group including the islands

[0:24:46] Voice 1: trust conservancy um one of the other big projects that the the partnership is currently working on

[0:24:52] Voice 1: at the moment with ubc botanical gardens and ubc okanagan campus is on developing spatial layers

[0:24:59] Voice 1: for local governments and first nation representatives that they have indicated to us

[0:25:04] Voice 1: that they're missing currently in terms of decision making so what i'm sort of talking about

[0:25:08] Voice 1: is a layer for land cover change, updates in terms of the sensitive ecosystem inventory,

[0:25:15] Voice 1: land-based carbon, ecosystem connectivity, and species and ecosystems at risk. The aspiration

[0:25:21] Voice 1: is that at the end of this sort of two-year project, that this resource would be online

[0:25:26] Voice 1: and be a decision support tool that can be downloaded. So the reason I'm here today is to

[0:25:32] Voice 1: ask for additional funding in 2023. I work part-time and I have a colleague and this additional

[0:25:40] Voice 1: funding would be able to give us that additional time to do the things that we need to do

[0:25:45] Voice 1: or would like to do. So it would be for continued coordination of the Coastal Oak and Prairie

[0:25:51] Voice 1: Working Group and also the the Securement Working Group that we have in place and also to be able

[0:25:57] Voice 1: to produce additional content for the actual website that we have and the webinar series that

[0:26:02] Voice 1: we run and also for meeting support in terms of the steering committee and just like to thank

[0:26:08] Voice 1: you for giving us the opportunity to to speak and apply today thank

[0:26:13] Voice 8: you so much

[0:26:15] Voice 6: um does anybody have

[0:26:16] Voice 6: any questions i'm not seeing anybody raising their hand oh

[0:26:28] Voice 8: trusty fast go ahead if you ask if you're

[0:26:31] Voice 8: able to to raise your virtual hand because i can't see everybody so that that'll move you forward in

[0:26:37] Voice 8: case you are raising your hand but I did see you wait go ahead trustee fast thank

[0:26:41] Voice 4: you uh yeah thank

[0:26:42] Voice 4: you Lindsay um my question is uh uh just related to the grant that you've applied for uh do you

[0:26:50] Voice 4: know or when will you know if you're successful uh with that grant like I'm just trying to get a

[0:26:55] Voice 4: sense of the time scales for this kind of work

[0:26:58] Voice 1: um the the grant that I mentioned was the secretariat

[0:27:02] Voice 1: funding so the the work that i'm doing with um ubc botanical gardens is already funded so that's

[0:27:08] Voice 1: um through the federal government so we have that money already so

[0:27:12] Voice 4: uh because i'm interested in the

[0:27:14] Voice 4: uh density bonusing work is that part

[0:27:18] Voice 1: of that density transfer so transfer yep that was a

[0:27:22] Voice 1: project that we've already completed and reported on and um is on our website uh so if you'd like

[0:27:28] Voice 1: like to access is in there's a presentation and a report and from that there's some really clear

[0:27:33] Voice 1: sort of direction in terms of how we could improve how that tool is implemented and a lot of that

[0:27:40] Voice 1: learnings come through the planners from the islands trust so it's been really good thank you

[0:27:46] Voice 8: very much thank you trustee fest

[0:27:49] Voice 8: does anybody else have

[0:27:51] Voice 6: any questions i'm not seeing anybody

[0:27:55] Voice 8: raised their hand so thank you very much Lindsay that was very informative oh trustee best I just

[0:28:02] Voice 4: wanted to draw your attention chair that trustee Harris has joined us thank you Lindsay

[0:28:08] Voice 4: thank you

[0:28:09] Voice 8: okay trustee Harris we're just we're just with Lindsay and the CDF did

[0:28:15] Voice 6: you have any questions

[0:28:16] Voice 6: I can't see you let me see where you are he's

[0:28:24] Trustee Luckham: on the screen

[0:28:25] Voice 8: trustee Harris just because you've

[0:28:29] Voice 8: just joined us did you have any questions for lindsay regarding the cdf funding request

[0:28:34] Voice 17: not at this moment no thank you thank

[0:28:36] Voice 8: you so much i just wanted to give you the opportunity

[0:28:39] Voice 8: awesome thank you so much lindsay um and staff nickel if we can see who the next speaker is

[0:28:47] Voice 8: please the

[0:28:49] Voice 18: next speaker is carl butterworth the bain sound lambert channel ecosystem forum

[0:28:53] Voice 18: him and I can transfer him over now as he is present.

[0:28:58] Voice 8: Perfect, thank you. And sorry, I didn't

[0:29:00] Voice 8: quite catch his name.

[0:29:01] Voice 18: Carl Butterworth.

[0:29:03] Voice 6: Carl Butterworth, thank you. Carl, when you're ready,

[0:29:10] Voice 6: welcome. Thank you. Thank

[0:29:14] Voice 14: you very much for having me. I submitted a presentation. Can I do that

[0:29:17] Voice 14: through my own Zoom or would you like to tee that up?

[0:29:22] Voice 8: I will ask staff that because they're the ones

[0:29:25] Voice 8: who are running the screen.

[0:29:27] Voice 10: Sounds good.

[0:29:30] Voice 18: Jillian was going to show that presentation.

[0:29:33] Voice 6: Here it comes.

[0:29:34] Voice 6: There we go.

[0:29:39] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[0:29:41] Voice 6: Well, and

[0:29:41] Voice 13: as we're beginning,

[0:29:42] Voice 13: I'd like to humbly acknowledge

[0:29:44] Voice 13: that the forum happens on the traditional territory,

[0:29:46] Voice 13: the Qualicum, the Comox, the Tla'aman,

[0:29:48] Voice 13: and the Tsanana as First Nations,

[0:29:51] Voice 13: and that today I'm coming to you

[0:29:52] Voice 13: from the traditional territory

[0:29:53] Voice 13: of the Sinaimuk First Nation, the Nanaimo.

[0:29:55] Voice 13: These nations have been successful stewards

[0:29:58] Voice 13: of the marine environment since time immemorial.

[0:30:00] Voice 13: And I think we all hope that we can continue to learn

[0:30:02] Voice 13: from the inspirational

[0:30:03] Voice 14: example they've said over the years.

[0:30:07] Voice 6: Can I move to the next slide?

[0:30:09] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:30:10] Voice 13: So the forum has a vision of the future,

[0:30:12] Voice 13: but at the first meeting,

[0:30:13] Voice 13: I think the vision really seemed a long way off.

[0:30:16] Voice 13: The initial forum was more characterized

[0:30:18] Voice 13: by some of the differences amongst panelists

[0:30:20] Voice 13: rather than the similarities of the people who are assembled.

[0:30:23] Voice 13: I can remember some heated exchanges

[0:30:24] Voice 13: in the initial forum in 2018,

[0:30:26] Voice 13: but I also remember some very constructive dialogue

[0:30:28] Voice 13: and meeting some absolutely

[0:30:30] Voice 14: fascinating people

[0:30:31] Voice 14: for the first time.

[0:30:32] Voice 14: Next slide, please. So over the years, the forum has matured into a true

[0:30:39] Voice 13: collaborator of dialogue amongst a wide range of groups who have an active interest in the present and the future health of Bain Sound.

[0:30:44] Voice 13: The forum is an action-oriented group and encourages groups in the room to find measurable ways forward on issues of common interest.

[0:30:51] Voice 13: And in that regard, the forum is a catalyst for change, but it's not an entity unto itself.

[0:30:55] Voice 13: The steering committee does not take a position on the items discussed, but rather tries to facilitate discussion with the people and the organizations who are in the room and who are able to facilitate change.

[0:31:06] Voice 13: Next slide, please.

[0:31:08] Voice 13: In the past five years, the discussions and relationships built at the Forum have resulted in changes for the better.

[0:31:15] Voice 13: I've included some examples here, but there are many others, small and large, that have occurred as a result of the Forum's semiannual gatherings.

[0:31:21] Voice 13: The Islands Trust has been a key supporter of the forum and also an active participant.

[0:31:27] Voice 13: David Critchley was a member of our steering committee for many years and his knowledge of both the region and of government has been invaluable.

[0:31:33] Voice 13: And we'd hope to see representation from Denman and Hornby Island actively engaging in the forum going forward because their contributions have been invaluable.

[0:31:41] Voice 6: Next slide, please. So I

[0:31:46] Voice 13: believe, you know, even despite our successes to date, the forum is just starting to hit its stride.

[0:31:50] Voice 13: The Forum events have become the go-to gathering place for those with an interest in the health of Bain Sound and Labrador Channel,

[0:31:56] Voice 13: and this critical mass of people has started to produce real synergies.

[0:32:00] Voice 13: We have been fortunate to have the direct financial support of many organizations.

[0:32:03] Voice 13: The Forum would love to thank the Islands Trust for its past support,

[0:32:06] Voice 13: and we hope the Trust will continue to support us financially,

[0:32:09] Voice 13: and as importantly, with your time, your expertise, and your knowledge.

[0:32:13] Voice 13: The Islands Trust and the World Wildlife Federation were the founding partners of the Forum.

[0:32:17] Voice 13: Thank you for setting this initiative in motion and giving us the time to speak today.

[0:32:20] Voice 13: I'd be happy to answer any questions about things

[0:32:23] Voice 14: you've seen on the slides or anything about the forum and where we're going in the future.

[0:32:28] Voice 8: Thank

[0:32:29] Voice 6: you so much, Carl. Does anybody have any questions for Carl?

[0:32:32] Voice 6: I'm not seeing anybody raising their hand. Brilliant.

[0:32:43] Voice 8: OK, well, oh, Trustee Fast.

[0:32:46] Voice 4: Yeah, thank you. I've never had the opportunity to participate in that forum.

[0:32:52] Voice 4: And I'm wondering if you can tell us a little bit about how various islands might be involved or is it more focused on the marine between the mainland or Vancouver Island, sorry, and the islands?

[0:33:12] Voice 13: This forum is very focused on Bains Sound and Lambert Channel.

[0:33:14] Voice 13: So the areas of water in between Vancouver Island, Denman and Hornby.

[0:33:17] Voice 13: be. I think there's a number of ways that you could be involved in terms of bringing your

[0:33:22] Voice 13: expertise to the management of this body of water. But I also think that this forum is really

[0:33:26] Voice 13: serving as a great example of how you can get such broad multi-jurisdictional stakeholder

[0:33:31] Voice 13: involvement around issues that are of concern to the marine environment and the upland terrestrial

[0:33:35] Voice 13: environment. The Ministry of Forests is a continual participant in these because they

[0:33:41] Voice 13: realize the impact their decision-making can have on a body of water. So I think there's a number

[0:33:46] Voice 13: of ways in which the forum

[0:33:47] Voice 14: can help out in that regard as an example but also benefiting from your

[0:33:49] Voice 14: expertise thank

[0:33:52] Voice 8: you no problem oops so trustee bothwick you have a question um

[0:33:58] Voice 15: well i just i

[0:34:00] Voice 15: sort of wanted to speak to a little bit i have had the benefit of going to an eco forum meeting and i

[0:34:05] Voice 15: look forward to coming to lots more um and yeah i just want to underline what carl is saying and

[0:34:11] Voice 15: it's really extremely impressive the the sort of level of collaboration between different bodies

[0:34:17] Voice 15: speaking frequently from like vastly different perspectives and quite often that loggerheads

[0:34:25] Voice 15: would traditionally be at loggerheads with one another um and yeah i mean the the the quality

[0:34:30] Voice 15: of the presentations and the research that was being presented and the discussion of it afterwards

[0:34:36] Voice 15: is really significant um and yeah it's it's incredibly valuable and obviously i'm a little

[0:34:43] Voice 15: little biased because it is around Denman and Hornby so it's in my backyard or both both both

[0:34:49] Voice 15: in my front and backyard actually uh but um yeah it's it's uh uh really significant and it's we're

[0:34:57] Voice 15: very lucky to have uh that level of care being given to our waterways because we have some serious

[0:35:02] Voice 15: concerns there's there's a lot of stuff going on you know in the water around all these islands but

[0:35:09] Voice 15: But it's really good to have a body that has got as keen an eye on how we can move forward for everyone.

[0:35:19] Voice 15: So, yeah.

[0:35:21] Voice 6: Thanks. I appreciate your kind words.

[0:35:24] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:35:27] Voice 8: So I just have a quick question as well.

[0:35:29] Voice 8: And I apologize, I may have missed it.

[0:35:31] Voice 8: I have a puppy that's throwing things around here.

[0:35:33] Voice 8: year um so with this with this application of the grant how exactly are you going to be applying

[0:35:40] Voice 8: what what particular aspect is it that that that you would use this grant for in

[0:35:46] Voice 13: the past we've

[0:35:47] Voice 13: used the grant to pay for things like the zoom membership and other uh web hosting things like

[0:35:51] Voice 13: that we would continue to use it for those kind of things we would also like to apply some of it

[0:35:55] Voice 13: towards our coordinator um just because everybody on the steering committee has other full-time

[0:36:00] Voice 13: commitments and have been very busy so the coordinator has been instrumental in helping

[0:36:04] Voice 14: us to keep momentum keep things organized and keep things moving forward brilliant

[0:36:09] Voice 8: thank you so much

[0:36:10] Voice 8: does anybody else have any other questions okay i'm not seeing anybody raising their hand so thank

[0:36:20] Voice 8: you very much carl for your presentation and for for answering our questions thank

[0:36:24] Voice 13: you thank you

[0:36:24] Voice 13: very much for having me today

[0:36:25] Voice 8: you're welcome have a good day you too

[0:36:28] Voice 8: and um staff nickel can you

[0:36:31] Voice 8: you tell us okay so the next person is dan rogers from the house sound community forum

[0:36:36] Voice 6: let me know

[0:36:38] Voice 6: when he's in dan should be present now and we'll be able to turn this mic on okay well i'll just

[0:36:58] Voice 6: say welcome dan and i'll turn it over to you once you're once you're ready all right thank you i've

[0:37:08] Voice 12: never actually joined a trust meeting this way so thank you chair evans i very much appreciate

[0:37:14] Voice 12: the opportunity to speak to you and greetings to many familiar faces and some new ones at the

[0:37:26] Voice 12: trust. Some of you may recognize my name from as a previous trustee and I'm now a I'm appearing now

[0:37:33] Voice 12: as a board member of board of directors of the Alcatsum House Sound Biosphere Region Society and

[0:37:40] Voice 12: I want to acknowledge that the region in which the forum operates is the traditional territory

[0:37:49] Voice 12: of primarily the Squamish peoples and our relationship with them is incredibly important

[0:37:55] Voice 12: to the forum and to the biosphere. It's nice to see you all. I'm appearing because the executive

[0:38:02] Voice 12: director is actually meeting as we speak with the other two biosphere regions in British Columbia

[0:38:09] Voice 12: in Tofino today. Just a little bit of background, Alcáczam, you'll see the name in our letterhead

[0:38:16] Voice 12: is actually the Squamish name most often used for Howe Sound, and it includes not only the

[0:38:23] Voice 12: waterways, the islands, but basically the watershed coming into Howe Sound, Alcáczam.

[0:38:31] Voice 12: And our relationship with the Squamish Nation, it's important because it's also incredibly

[0:38:37] Voice 12: incredibly important and frankly, an overused word, but it's an awesome place in the Salish Sea

[0:38:44] Voice 12: and in the Islands Trust Area. It encompasses both much of the Gambier Local Trust Area and,

[0:38:51] Voice 12: of course, the Bowen Island Municipality. I just wanted just a little bit of background

[0:38:57] Voice 12: so you know. I was actually involved as a trustee with Trustee Stamford primarily,

[0:39:05] Voice 12: primarily but others as well and with staff in the original proposal to create the Secretary

[0:39:11] Voice 12: of Services under the Islands Trust and it was designed specifically for the purpose that it

[0:39:17] Voice 12: has evolved to I frankly consider it one of the great success stories of my time as on the Islands

[0:39:26] Voice 12: Trust because of exactly the groups you were seeing here today and it was designed because

[0:39:34] Voice 12: Because we realized that the Howe Sound Forum, which was an important part of our activity in Howe Sound, was operating pretty much on volunteer activity that couldn't continue forever and required just a little bit of administrative and secretarial and secretariat support.

[0:39:51] Voice 12: And the trust was willing to step up.

[0:39:53] Voice 12: Trustees were willing to step up and provide that.

[0:39:57] Voice 12: um it's been operating our forum has actually been operating for a couple of decades now

[0:40:04] Voice 12: um if you speak to uh counselor um uh allison morris on bowen she could give you the exact

[0:40:11] Voice 12: date but it was approximately it was about 22 or 23 years ago that it was originally

[0:40:17] Voice 12: uh envisioned and it operates uh twice a year um in in host communities uh from around the

[0:40:26] Voice 12: This has been on the Islands Trust on Gamber Island at least twice and maybe more before my time.

[0:40:33] Voice 12: And it brings together the elected representatives from a dozen local governments and provincial and federal representatives, our MLA and our MP.

[0:40:44] Voice 12: It's must attend forum. And of course, the First Nations attended as well.

[0:40:50] Voice 12: The Squamish and occasionally the Tsleil-Waututh as well meets twice a year.

[0:40:55] Voice 12: and the next one is in Gibsons on April the 21st.

[0:41:00] Voice 12: It operates under a well-developed principles of cooperation

[0:41:03] Voice 12: and it has a framework which guides its work.

[0:41:07] Voice 12: And there usually are anywhere from 25 to 30 active participants

[0:41:12] Voice 12: from local government and regional and provincial and federal

[0:41:16] Voice 12: and often upwards of 40 or 50 observers that come

[0:41:21] Voice 12: come and watch the proceedings as well, and participate and present. I know that Chair

[0:41:26] Voice 12: Sherlockham has been a couple of times. I think Director Frater has been at least once.

[0:41:32] Voice 12: It really was the original concept of a forum. And while some of the other forums have taken

[0:41:38] Voice 12: a slightly different direction than our forum, I did work with the Southern Gulf Islands group

[0:41:44] Voice 12: because I thought it was an important part of their work as well. And I'm very pleased to see

[0:41:49] Voice 12: that the Bains Sound Forum and the Southern Gulf Islands Forum have progressed to the state that

[0:41:57] Voice 12: they are, that they seem to be sustainable. So one of the marks of the success of the forum and the

[0:42:03] Voice 12: support and the success of the support that the trust has given it is that the forum was really

[0:42:08] Voice 12: the catalyst for, I'm going to say, two things that occurred in the last decade at in-house

[0:42:15] Voice 12: Sound. One was to encourage and I'll say pressure the province to create what was called the

[0:42:21] Voice 12: cumulative effects framework for Howe Sound. The local governments have been pressing the

[0:42:27] Voice 12: provincial government to create a regional plan for the area and they were reluctant to do so

[0:42:32] Voice 12: and the fallback position was to create what's called the cumulative effects

[0:42:36] Voice 12: framework which is a fairly extensive baseline research study of many of the baseline species

[0:42:43] Voice 12: species in the area and that came out of directly out of the work of the Howe Sound Forum perhaps

[0:42:48] Voice 12: more tangibly as well the forum was undoubtedly the basis for the work that created the the group

[0:42:54] Voice 12: that brought together the biosphere and as you probably know in 2021 Alcázar Howe Sound was

[0:43:02] Voice 12: designated by unesco as a as the 29th biosphere region in um in uh canada and uh the um that's

[0:43:15] Voice 12: that's important because the biosphere society which i'm now a member of the board of will now

[0:43:20] Voice 12: undertake as part of its role the coordinating of both of the uh the forum and the uh the ocean

[0:43:27] Voice 12: watch task force which are both referenced in our letter to you and uh as well as many other things

[0:43:34] Voice 12: uh so the biosphere is taking that of the role of being the coordinating body there which is why

[0:43:40] Voice 12: um uh why we they are the ones we are the ones now applying for the grant um so the support you

[0:43:48] Voice 12: provide is incredibly important although you know relatively small in terms of our overall

[0:43:53] Voice 12: all operations or what we envision are open operations, but it's incredibly important to

[0:43:57] Voice 12: be able to provide the logistical support for these organizations. Well, the host group provides

[0:44:03] Voice 12: the location and some food, et cetera. Setting up these meetings is complicated. We require people

[0:44:11] Voice 12: to take minutes, provide those, the Ocean Wash Task Force, which means four times a year,

[0:44:16] Voice 12: and which referenced in the letter as well. And you can go back and see the kind of research

[0:44:21] Voice 12: stays done, also provides the support for that. So this has been an incredibly foundational piece

[0:44:27] Voice 12: of support for the task force. I know that Trustee Fast, I believe you served on it for quite a while

[0:44:34] Voice 12: and may continue to. I don't know if you still do. She does, thumbs up. And I know that Trustee

[0:44:38] Voice 12: Stamford was the chair of that task force for many years. Very good, very important work. So we really

[0:44:45] Voice 12: appreciate the support of the trust. Thank you for all the work that you do. I sat in your chairs for

[0:44:49] Voice 12: for a number of years,

[0:44:50] Voice 12: making the decisions you're about to make.

[0:44:53] Voice 12: And I hope that you'll recognize the work of our forum

[0:44:58] Voice 12: and the biosphere does now in relation to the forum

[0:45:00] Voice 12: and the task force and provide support.

[0:45:03] Voice 12: If you look at the letter,

[0:45:04] Voice 12: it sets out exactly what we intend to use the money for.

[0:45:07] Voice 12: I can talk about it and answer any questions

[0:45:10] Voice 12: that you'd like.

[0:45:10] Voice 12: Thanks very much.

[0:45:11] Voice 12: Nice to see you all.

[0:45:14] Voice 8: Thanks, Dan.

[0:45:15] Voice 8: Thank you so much, Dan.

[0:45:17] Voice 8: Does anyone

[0:45:17] Voice 6: have any questions or comments for Dan?

[0:45:26] Voice 6: trustee fest i'll kick it off

[0:45:28] Voice 4: i'm i just uh thanks dan nice to see you i'm just wondering if um

[0:45:33] Voice 4: uh you could mention a couple of the other groups have mentioned uh marine spatial planning or

[0:45:39] Voice 4: terrestrial spatial planning the kind of overlapping mapping layers um is this part of

[0:45:44] Voice 4: the work that the um uh grant money would go to or is that sort of extra things that is part of

[0:45:52] Voice 4: as the bigger partnerships behind.

[0:45:56] Voice 12: It is, yeah, thanks, Trustee Fast.

[0:46:00] Voice 12: It's the second aspect.

[0:46:01] Voice 12: The grant that we've received from,

[0:46:03] Voice 12: that's been received, first of all,

[0:46:04] Voice 12: by the House on Forum directly and now by the biosphere

[0:46:07] Voice 12: is the, it basically goes to logistical support

[0:46:11] Voice 12: for the creation, for the facilitation of these groups.

[0:46:15] Voice 12: That's why it's called,

[0:46:16] Voice 12: that's why we originally call it the Secretariat Services,

[0:46:18] Voice 12: services to provide that that that funding is very hard to find and that eventually volunteers don't

[0:46:25] Voice 12: want to do anymore to provide that that little bit of extra to make sure that happens we have

[0:46:29] Voice 12: the Ocean West tax force got funding to provide the Marine Atlas for for how sound it's an

[0:46:36] Voice 12: incredibly important piece of work that was done for how sound there's a there's been a lot of

[0:46:40] Voice 12: detailed research in the area but the work the funding that comes from the trust specifically

[0:46:45] Voice 12: perfectly as allocated towards the sort of administrative and logistical support

[0:46:50] Voice 12: um Zoom licenses things like that as was mentioned before thanks thank you so much

[0:47:00] Voice 8: does anyone else have a question trustee Peterson yeah

[0:47:05] Voice 16: thank you I just wanted to

[0:47:06] Voice 16: uh take the opportunity to say hi Dan hope you're doing well and um and just uh acknowledge that uh

[0:47:16] Voice 16: The House Sound Forum in particular has been incredibly successful in its work and happy to see it's continuing.

[0:47:25] Voice 12: Thanks. Thanks. Thanks, Tim. Nice to see you, too.

[0:47:28] Voice 12: I could tell you all the people that come, but I'm not going to take your time to do that.

[0:47:33] Voice 12: It's a very, as it is, it's must, you know, you have must see television.

[0:47:38] Voice 12: This is must attend event in our area.

[0:47:42] Voice 8: Awesome. Does anyone else have any questions?

[0:47:47] Voice 8: I'm not seeing anybody else's hands. So thank you, Dan. I'm just going to say, so for clarification, the reason that you said the secretary program was initiated was to find funding for the logistical aspects of it, not necessarily to run projects.

[0:48:02] Voice 8: Right.

[0:48:03] Voice 12: That's why it's cool. I mean, Director Frater can confirm. That's what the discussion was.

[0:48:08] Voice 12: was it came out of the fact that the the the Howe Sound Forum had been basically operating for 15

[0:48:15] Voice 12: years on the back to one volunteer who had done all the work related to it for many many years

[0:48:20] Voice 12: and we realized they needed to have a little bit of support and also we need to have minutes and

[0:48:25] Voice 12: help with the logistics and that was the whole intention of it uh the next iteration of it was

[0:48:31] Voice 12: the Bain Sound Forum as I recall it and that was a bit more of a direct involvement of staff but

[0:48:38] Voice 12: but also to provide that logistical and organize it,

[0:48:40] Voice 12: but not to run specific programs for the organization.

[0:48:44] Voice 12: It's about coming together.

[0:48:46] Voice 12: It's about the mandate to work with others.

[0:48:49] Voice 8: Brilliant. Thank you for that clarification.

[0:48:50] Voice 8: I just want to like put it out there for people that may be listening in as well.

[0:48:55] Voice 12: Thanks.

[0:48:56] Voice 12: Thank

[0:48:56] Voice 8: you for that history.

[0:48:57] Voice 8: Appreciate it.

[0:48:59] Voice 8: All right.

[0:49:00] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:49:00] Voice 12: Thank you very much and good luck.

[0:49:02] Voice 12: I know you're going off now to talk about all of these requests for money.

[0:49:06] Voice 12: thank you

[0:49:08] Voice 6: so much bye now okay so if uh if staff can advise when we're back to

[0:49:21] Voice 6: our core core people i think we're ready to move on with the agenda okay

[0:49:28] Voice 8: perfect um so do we have

[0:49:31] Voice 8: any correspondence it says here that we don't have any nothing came in okay all right so the

[0:49:39] Voice 8: next piece then will be moving on to the draft minutes for approval. Does anybody have any

[0:49:47] Voice 8: comments or did they see anything that they'd like to address regarding

[0:49:51] Voice 6: the minutes from our

[0:49:52] Voice 6: previous meeting? And I don't think I did. I'm not seeing anybody.

[0:50:05] Voice 8: Okay, then I will say by general

[0:50:06] Voice 8: consent, the minutes from the previous meeting are approved. Perfect. And we didn't have any

[0:50:16] Voice 8: resolutions without meeting so we will move on then to our follow-up action list for review if

[0:50:23] Voice 8: i'll if i can turn that over to staff to walk us through it thank

[0:50:28] Voice 9: you yes i'm pleased to chair um

[0:50:30] Voice 9: so if we could move to page 11 of the agenda on screen that would be great and i'll just start

[0:50:36] Voice 9: by i'll just walk you through the various items quickly here um your first one is around the

[0:50:40] Voice 9: crown land protocol i'll just say there's been no progress as um policy state and amendment policy

[0:50:46] Voice 9: it's on hold continues to be on hold as we work on the policy itself the policy statement itself

[0:50:53] Voice 9: number three here is one I would have liked to have got you for today around providing you with

[0:50:57] Voice 9: criteria for making this decision but I think we'll bring that back to you and you'll be able

[0:51:01] Voice 9: to you'll be better informed to evaluate the utility of criteria for the decision you're

[0:51:06] Voice 9: making today for next year's decisions but that will be coming to you this year the next one on

[0:51:13] Voice 9: on the next page here is around the living in the trust area mailing I can advise we ran into

[0:51:18] Voice 9: some bumpiness around the GIS code that helps us identify the addresses so we've been working

[0:51:24] Voice 9: towards a resolution of that so the most recent mailing has not gone or is going shortly and we'll

[0:51:29] Voice 9: be bringing a briefing to you around that and the implications at your meeting in May

[0:51:34] Voice 9: but otherwise all is on track there with regard to the next one we'll pause here and talk to you

[0:51:41] Voice 9: about investigations for your next meetings. You had asked us to look into venues and scheduling

[0:51:47] Voice 9: for in-person meetings for this year. And the primary rationale, as I understood it,

[0:51:52] Voice 9: for an in-person meeting was to talk about the policy statement. As you know, we've had a shift

[0:51:57] Voice 9: in schedule around the policy statement. So our thought now is that it might be most useful

[0:52:04] Voice 9: for you to have in-person meetings. I believe it was in, Robert, we were talking about November

[0:52:08] Voice 9: meeting, potentially November, and then you could reconsider when you schedule for next year if you

[0:52:14] Voice 9: want one in February. And Robert has been looking into potential venues for you. So Robert, perhaps

[0:52:20] Voice 9: I can turn it over to you to talk about your research so far. That's all right?

[0:52:27] Voice 18: I've just reached, as it's only tentative, I wasn't sure if the committee wanted to meet in

[0:52:32] Voice 18: November. I've reached out to three places, Coast Passion in Nanaimo, the Dorchester Best Western in

[0:52:39] Voice 18: Nanaimo, and also there's a place that we used to use quite a bit in Cowichan Bay. But I'd be happy

[0:52:47] Voice 18: to, once the committee makes the decision about which of the regular meeting dates that they want

[0:52:54] Voice 18: to be in person, I'd be happy to do that organization.

[0:52:58] Voice 6: I can't hear you, Chair.

[0:53:07] Voice 6: Sorry, I've got

[0:53:08] Voice 8: the dog throwing his phone right now, can you just,

[0:53:13] Voice 8: Marty can you just, so I just had a quick question, sorry just apologize for the pandemonium in the

[0:53:18] Voice 8: background here. Quick question regarding the timing of this, I think once the trust policy

[0:53:27] Voice 8: statement is, the edits have been done, I think that's when we need to come together as a group

[0:53:33] Voice 8: to have a look at it prior to it going before trust council so I'm not sure of the timing of

[0:53:42] Voice 8: that is that are you thinking that's going to be the November time frame by the time those edits

[0:53:45] Voice 8: are finished so we our

[0:53:48] Voice 9: hope and we'll see how we're doing here there's a lot on our plates is

[0:53:50] Voice 9: to bring it to this committee just to present it in August it would then go to trust council in

[0:53:55] Voice 9: September and council would then direct what changes it wants the committee to talk about

[0:54:00] Voice 9: we had heard and then that we were thinking that that would then happen in November that the

[0:54:03] Voice 9: committee could come together or do the work that trust council asks for we had heard at this

[0:54:08] Voice 9: committee previously that august is a really difficult travel time for people and so we were

[0:54:12] Voice 9: thinking we'd simply do electronic in august present it to you and then you can really you

[0:54:16] Voice 9: know have a workshop style meeting in november to talk about the document that's how we're happy to

[0:54:22] Voice 9: hear if you'd like to get together in august as well certainly that could be an option but i think

[0:54:27] Voice 9: at the last meeting we heard that was difficult for a number of you okay

[0:54:30] Voice 8: so so what you're

[0:54:31] Voice 8: suggesting then is that we do the virtual review with our suggestions to executive council first

[0:54:38] Voice 8: and then goes to executive council and then to the trust committee and then we'll have an in-person

[0:54:46] Voice 8: is what you're suggesting that's what i'm suggesting yeah ex officio luck and you have

[0:54:50] Voice 8: a question on this too yeah

[0:54:53] Trustee Luckham: um i apologize if i missed it but um robert uh through the chair

[0:55:00] Trustee Luckham: Robert, you didn't mention the NIMO regional district offices, which we've used in the past

[0:55:07] Trustee Luckham: with TPS meetings. Is that also an option? Because there may be little or no cost associated with

[0:55:13] Trustee Luckham: that.

[0:55:15] Voice 18: We have used that in the past. There is no cost to it. However, there was a technical problem

[0:55:22] Voice 18: and that we were not able to broadcast at that meeting because of the technical issues of

[0:55:31] Voice 18: we weren't able to use the computer system in RDM, whereas if we go to a hotel,

[0:55:39] Voice 18: we would bring our own equipment.

[0:55:42] Trustee Luckham: Right. Thank you for reminding me of that. Indeed,

[0:55:44] Trustee Luckham: that was a serious problem. Thank you.

[0:55:48] Voice 6: Okay. Thank you. Back to you, Steph, Rachel.

[0:55:53] Voice 9: Okay, so with. So, if we have agreement of the committee will proceed with trying to schedule you a November in person meeting at a location of your convenience.

[0:56:04] Voice 9: It is hoped that by then we'll have our new LTC meeting support person who can support us and perhaps doing recording and live streaming out on the road if you don't wish, or if you wish.

[0:56:15] Voice 9: The other option of course is to have everyone come to Victoria where we have all the facilities here.

[0:56:20] Voice 9: but we'll certainly by then hopefully we'll have the capacity to use that technology on the road

[0:56:26] Voice 9: a bit more than we do now but again we're if yeah if you're comfortable with that we'll proceed it

[0:56:31] Voice 9: would be good to have a motion I think directing us to schedule you an in-person meeting but we

[0:56:35] Voice 9: can always do that by RWM later once we've identified a venue that will work okay just

[0:56:40] Voice 8: prior to getting there trustee Peterson has a question yeah

[0:56:46] Voice 16: thank you chair I just wanted to

[0:56:47] Voice 16: flag for staff as you uh consider the scheduling of that if it's in november um perhaps we could

[0:56:54] Voice 16: consider um just in terms of timing if it's in uh if it's in nanaimo on a monday and we're finished

[0:57:05] Voice 16: you know by 3 30 or something that's great um just travel considerations and of course once

[0:57:15] Voice 16: november comes to ferries from listening here a little weird uh anyway thank you

[0:57:21] Voice 8: duly noted

[0:57:25] Voice 8: okay so yes if uh if staff can prepare a motion that would be great um do we and i'll just ask

[0:57:36] Voice 8: everybody should we should we wait until we have an air as um something identified or do we make

[0:57:42] Voice 8: the motion in order to to find a venue? So I think

[0:57:46] Voice 9: if we can hear from you today that you're

[0:57:48] Voice 9: comfortable just having one in-person meeting this fiscal year or this calendar year with the

[0:57:53] Voice 9: potential for another one in February should you want one then we'll go ahead and plan for finding

[0:57:58] Voice 9: you a venue in November and then you can talk about whether or not to schedule February

[0:58:04] Voice 9: later in the year when we get to planning for the next calendar year meetings. So I don't think we

[0:58:09] Voice 9: need a resolution at this time because I'm not hearing any concerns around that approach

[0:58:12] Voice 9: And then I think I'll check with Robert here, but once we have like a town to put in a resolution, then we'll bring that to you by request with a resolution without meeting.

[0:58:23] Voice 9: Sounds great. Perfect. I'll let Robert jump in if he has any concern with that, but I think that's the best approach forward.

[0:58:28] Voice 6: I

[0:58:31] Voice 18: have no concern, Chair.

[0:58:33] Voice 8: Perfect. Thank you so much.

[0:58:35] Voice 8: Back over to you, Staff Rater.

[0:58:38] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[0:58:39] Voice 9: So I'll keep going here.

[0:58:41] Voice 9: So you asked me to recirculate the memo, which I did by email, and we can add it to your agenda in May if you wish, which is this one here, the memo regarding the Coastal Douglas fir ecosystem that was provided by the province.

[0:58:56] Voice 9: Number two here is to request staff to provide all information on the US National Park Service website. We'll do that for your next meeting. We'll add all that to that next agenda for you.

[0:59:05] Voice 9: um the next one is around budget um and again that of course that has happened and as i scroll down

[0:59:11] Voice 9: here again budget has happened um this one that tpc encourage executive committee to support all

[0:59:19] Voice 9: efforts to pursue additional funding from the province i don't believe that's been formally

[0:59:22] Voice 9: provided to executive committee although certainly it has um executive committee was made aware of

[0:59:27] Voice 9: the request and has um active conversations going on around this opportunity um certainly i can do

[0:59:34] Voice 9: up a briefing for one of their upcoming meetings just to reinforce reinforce it as we move down to

[0:59:40] Voice 9: number six here um this recommendation was provided to executive committee and trust council and trust

[0:59:46] Voice 9: council has um agreed to a project charter that does allow for six months for communities to

[0:59:52] Voice 9: review the draft policy statement once it's been released and work will be starting on that shortly

[0:59:58] Voice 9: um let's have a look here

[0:59:59] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:00:00] Voice 9: what else we got yeah so number seven we've just spoken about um number eight um was resulting from

[1:00:07] Voice 9: a discussion about secretariat services at the last meeting um and we had a statement in a staff

[1:00:12] Voice 9: briefing that stated that we had 60 hours of staff time going into secretariat services for

[1:00:17] Voice 9: the cdfcp that was simply an error um we've looked into it they simply what we're doing there is

[1:00:23] Voice 9: coordinating the coordination of a contract and then the services are provided by the contractor

[1:00:28] Voice 9: that you've just had a presentation from.

[1:00:30] Voice 9: So apologies for that mistake.

[1:00:32] Voice 9: We do have conservancy staff

[1:00:34] Voice 9: that sit on a steering committee for CDFCP

[1:00:37] Voice 9: at the request of the board,

[1:00:38] Voice 9: but that's separate and apart

[1:00:39] Voice 9: from the Secretariat Services Program.

[1:00:43] Voice 9: Moving down then to,

[1:00:44] Voice 9: and feel free to jump in with questions if you have them,

[1:00:47] Voice 9: to the final page here,

[1:00:49] Voice 9: there was a request from Trust Council in March

[1:00:51] Voice 9: that we consider how the Montreal Charter on Biodiversity

[1:00:53] Voice 9: impacts the work of the trust.

[1:00:55] Voice 9: Again, we'll bring this back to a future meeting

[1:00:57] Voice 9: with some briefing for you um so you can provide some advice back to trust council and finally

[1:01:03] Voice 9: we've been asked to bring you an opportunity to guide how we develop an educational opportunity

[1:01:07] Voice 9: around cdf and forests and we'll bring that hopefully to your main meeting if we have

[1:01:11] Voice 9: sufficient capacity so you can guide that decision then more

[1:01:16] Voice 6: than happy to take questions okay trustee

[1:01:24] Voice 6: peterson has his hand up

[1:01:26] Voice 16: yeah thank you chair um so the back to the very first item on the list

[1:01:32] Voice 16: here uh i just have a question about crown land protocol um in specifically uh well the reason

[1:01:42] Voice 16: that this is top of mind for me is um in terms of uh there's like uh there's a the rogers cell

[1:01:50] Voice 16: tower proposal on hornby island which is proposed to to um uh to be located on crown land i'm just

[1:01:59] Voice 16: just wondering if the crown land protocol update if that is sort of one of the areas that

[1:02:06] Voice 16: that might be sort of applicable to those that type of protocol in terms of communication

[1:02:13] Voice 16: between the province and islands trust um

[1:02:17] Voice 9: so yes if there was to be a change of use on that

[1:02:20] Voice 9: crown land that would trigger a referral to the trust then yes it would be captured under this

[1:02:24] Voice 9: protocol um so yes that said if you have concerns that the province is not communicating a change of

[1:02:30] Voice 9: use um then you can already you reach out to me just by email and i can follow up with staff

[1:02:35] Voice 9: we've got a wonderful person in flynn row who's helping me navigate those systems and ensure that

[1:02:39] Voice 9: those referrals are happening um as requested okay great thank

[1:02:44] Voice 9: you to reach out yeah in the

[1:02:45] Voice 9: absence of having an updated protocol we're just we're using good relationships to try and get

[1:02:49] Voice 9: things done yeah thank

[1:02:53] Voice 6: you very much trustee harris you have a question you're on mute trustee

[1:03:07] Voice 6: Harris.

[1:03:10] Voice 17: Thanks. Just trying to get the buttons to work here. So I would, I have a question about

[1:03:18] Voice 17: the CDF CP and the secretary of services funding for that. I'm hoping this is the appropriate time

[1:03:26] Voice 17: to ask some of these questions. One being, I sent an email on the weekend there. You know,

[1:03:35] Voice 17: wondering who is the um who is who from the on stress is connected to this um program is it a

[1:03:43] Voice 17: trustee or um or um someone from the conservancy um i know there's something in the policy of the

[1:03:54] Voice 17: secretary of services that states we need a representative from a certain um place to be on

[1:04:01] Voice 17: on that so is there any info for that i'm

[1:04:05] Voice 8: just gonna jump in here because i think that discussion

[1:04:07] Voice 8: regarding the funding that we're going to be allocating

[1:04:10] Voice 8: comes a little later in the agenda.

[1:04:11] Voice 8: Right now, we're just running through

[1:04:13] Voice 8: the items that are on the list.

[1:04:16] Voice 8: So that entire discussion will happen in a little minute,

[1:04:20] Voice 8: if you're okay

[1:04:21] Voice 8: waiting for that.

[1:04:22] Voice 17: 100%, thank you.

[1:04:23] Voice 8: Perfect, thank you.

[1:04:25] Voice 8: Does anybody else have any questions

[1:04:27] Voice 8: about the follow-up action list?

[1:04:31] Voice 8: I'm not seeing any other questions on it.

[1:04:34] Voice 8: Staff Ray, did you have anything else to add?

[1:04:36] Voice 8: out?

[1:04:37] Voice 9: No, we look forward to providing you with additional reporting in May. Perfect.

[1:04:43] Voice 8: Okay. So

[1:04:44] Voice 8: if we can scroll down to our next agenda item, that would be great.

[1:04:59] Voice 6: Okay. So here

[1:05:00] Voice 8: we are. We're

[1:05:02] Voice 8: now right back to the section that Trustee Harris had a question on. So I will open it back up to

[1:05:11] Voice 8: trustee Harris's question and then um if anybody else has any other questions or comments regarding

[1:05:17] Voice 8: the well actually let me let me back up a little bit here let me put it over to the cliff rate

[1:05:24] Voice 8: staff rater and ask her to run us through what she's put together here for us and then we can

[1:05:29] Voice 8: open it up for questions apologies go ahead thank

[1:05:33] Voice 9: you chair I'll try and be brief here um so

[1:05:35] Voice 9: essentially um this is a meeting that's scheduled for the purpose of trust programs committee

[1:05:40] Voice 9: committee allocating the funding that Trust Council approves in March.

[1:05:43] Voice 9: It's scheduled so early in the year so that the coordination groups that we

[1:05:46] Voice 9: support have some certainty around scheduling upcoming meetings and whether

[1:05:49] Voice 9: they'll have the capacity to do so.

[1:05:51] Voice 9: So thank you for indulging this extra meeting in your calendar.

[1:05:54] Voice 9: As you know, this is a relatively new program for the trust.

[1:05:57] Voice 9: The policy was approved in 2020 and it guides Trust Programs Committee's

[1:06:03] Voice 9: decisions around allocating these funds.

[1:06:05] Voice 9: As you've just heard, these groups, the intention is and under the policy,

[1:06:09] Voice 9: I think I heard this question earlier.

[1:06:10] Voice 9: The funding is intended to support administrative support.

[1:06:13] Voice 9: So this can include meeting organization,

[1:06:16] Voice 9: administration, public notices,

[1:06:18] Voice 9: recording and distribution of minute notes or minutes,

[1:06:21] Voice 9: and website hosting and updating.

[1:06:23] Voice 9: That sort of administrative logistical piece

[1:06:25] Voice 9: of bringing people together in cooperation.

[1:06:29] Voice 9: Generally, you're guided in this policy around the decisions

[1:06:32] Voice 9: and you're looking to ensure

[1:06:33] Voice 9: that there is trust representation involved in these groups,

[1:06:37] Voice 9: that First Nations are invited to be involved in a manner consistent with the Trust Council's

[1:06:42] Voice 9: Engagement Principles Policy and Reconciliation Declaration and that the work carries out the

[1:06:49] Voice 9: object of the Trust. Those are your sort of three primary criteria. You're asked in the policy to

[1:06:55] Voice 9: consider prioritizing support for coordination groups that involve First Nations and work

[1:06:59] Voice 9: respectfully and generally the amounts allocated, I don't think it's of concern today, but generally

[1:07:07] Voice 9: we don't exceed the direct award thresholds set out in the procurement policy. Other than that,

[1:07:13] Voice 9: this is really at the discretion of the committee, which groups you wish to support and in what

[1:07:17] Voice 9: amounts. As you might remember, Trust Council's adopted a budget of $12,000. And today, you've

[1:07:24] Voice 9: got requests before you of $14,120. So there'll need to be some tweaking that happens. What else

[1:07:32] Voice 9: So I say, so our role as staff here primarily is to issue contracts, this is not a grant when this policy was brought about the trust didn't have the legal power to do grants.

[1:07:41] Voice 9: So essentially we offer direct support, either through our staff time providing direct staff support or providing a contract contractor to offer these supports.

[1:07:51] Voice 9: courts. We've since had a legislative change and so in the future I've got a resolution to look at

[1:07:59] Voice 9: whether or not the trust we want to merge some of these policies like grants and aid and secretariat

[1:08:03] Voice 9: services into a granting program which would be administratively simpler but that's a decision

[1:08:08] Voice 9: for the future. I just wanted to make you aware of that when we have time. Also I think I'll leave

[1:08:14] Voice 9: it there just try and be brief. I'm happy to take questions. I know Trustee Harris has a number of

[1:08:17] Voice 9: them so I'm more than happy to answer those as they come and would just say I personally have

[1:08:24] Voice 9: seen over the years that we've had this an improvement in relationships so I think this

[1:08:28] Voice 9: has been a good a good space for the trust to be in we your committee this committee about

[1:08:34] Voice 9: four or five years ago spent years talking about integration of services and documenting all the

[1:08:40] Voice 9: problems relating to not having conversations with other levels of government and I would note those

[1:08:45] Voice 9: seem to have simmered down quite a lot so I think this has been a good outcome so with that I'll

[1:08:51] Voice 9: turn it back to the chair and I'm happy to take questions thank

[1:08:54] Voice 8: you so much so trustee Harris had

[1:08:57] Voice 8: already put a question on the floor I'll ask him to ask his question again and then ask if anybody

[1:09:04] Voice 8: else has additional questions so go ahead trustee Harris thank

[1:09:08] Voice 17: you chair Evans so my first question

[1:09:12] Voice 17: was who is attached to the CDFCP from the Island's Trust?

[1:09:18] Voice 9: So both Trust Council, yeah, happy to answer that.

[1:09:21] Voice 9: Both Trust Council and the Conservancy Board

[1:09:25] Voice 9: are members of the Statement of Cooperation.

[1:09:27] Voice 9: So they've both signed on as members of the partnership.

[1:09:30] Voice 9: And the Conservancy, through resolution,

[1:09:32] Voice 9: has asked staff to sit on the steering committee.

[1:09:34] Voice 9: And that is our ecosystem protection specialist

[1:09:37] Voice 9: that takes on that role.

[1:09:38] Voice 9: I asked her just now the number of hours

[1:09:40] Voice 9: and she says about 40 hours a year.

[1:09:42] Voice 9: go into helping with that steering committee coordination piece but that is as i say separate

[1:09:47] Voice 9: from this program that happens under the auspices of the conservancy board

[1:09:52] Voice 7: so oh thank you um

[1:09:57] Voice 7: um miss frader um

[1:09:59] Voice 17: is that what the policy states is that or does it not state that there ought to

[1:10:06] Voice 17: be i'm just wondering if that's going with what the policy is supposed to be with them

[1:10:11] Voice 9: Yeah, well, it says that there must be an appointed representative. So I think that could be either a staff or a trustee that's appointed by that

[1:10:20] Voice 9: body. What I would say generally around that clause, I think as we've started this new term, we haven't been formal in having different bodies appoint different people to these, and particularly the economic forum that is a little bit problematic, as it's simply an event generally.

[1:10:35] Voice 9: but that will be something you might want to pass a resolution if you want to have if that's

[1:10:40] Voice 9: something that's important to do that there be formal representation that's renewed after the

[1:10:44] Voice 9: election you might want to prompt trust bodies to do that formal appointment if you think that's

[1:10:49] Voice 9: something that's important.

[1:10:50] Voice 17: Thank you and so you mentioned 40 hours of staff time is it it's my

[1:10:56] Voice 17: understanding that staff time is about a hundred dollars an hour?

[1:11:00] Voice 9: I couldn't speak to that rule

[1:11:02] Voice 9: no it wouldn't be that much for that role um and i don't have that number at hand maybe

[1:11:07] Voice 17: um just you

[1:11:09] Voice 17: know nothing official be nice to find out what that um is worth um is that has there been any

[1:11:18] Voice 17: i know there's statements about having bringing first nations and to be involved with um with

[1:11:25] Voice 17: these groups um if we're going to fund them is

[1:11:28] Voice 14: how's

[1:11:29] Voice 17: that been going with the cdfcp they now have

[1:11:31] Voice 17: be um somebody from the first nations involved let

[1:11:35] Voice 9: me have a look at their website i don't have

[1:11:36] Voice 9: a ready answer to that um but on their website you can have a look and that could unfortunately

[1:11:41] Voice 9: that's a question we could have asked for the speaker earlier um under the membership let me

[1:11:45] Voice 9: just see if there

[1:11:48] Voice 6: are nations listed i'm just doing a quick glance i am not seeing a nation

[1:11:56] Voice 6: listed as a member at quick glance here that

[1:12:00] Voice 7: was my understanding with a

[1:12:01] Voice 6: logo listed yeah

[1:12:03] Voice 7: But

[1:12:05] Voice 6: I'm not aware within the various initiatives whether there's partnerships happening or not.

[1:12:12] Voice 17: I'm sort of concerned with, you know, the relationship with the CDFCP and the Islands Trust at this point.

[1:12:20] Voice 17: You know, I think all these other groups that are applying for Secretariat services, this has been great, great programs and wonderful trustees involved.

[1:12:30] Voice 17: And they've made great strides in the preserve and protect mandate.

[1:12:34] Voice 17: mandate um i'm i'm

[1:12:38] Voice 14: wondering if um with with

[1:12:43] Voice 17: what's you know recently come up with um

[1:12:47] Voice 17: the cdf toolkit from the allen's trust and that being you know what we've seen at the last trust

[1:12:55] Voice 17: council with um some delegations and then some other you know much of the talk that we had going

[1:13:01] Voice 17: on in the trust council um you know and the issue of over a thousand words of content coming

[1:13:09] Voice 17: coming directly from the CDFCP and direct

[1:13:12] Voice 17: and then sort of straight into our CDF toolkit,

[1:13:17] Voice 17: many of which there's statements in there

[1:13:21] Voice 17: that were arguable and it caused some great contention

[1:13:25] Voice 17: and

[1:13:25] Voice 6: turned

[1:13:27] Voice 17: a focus for the trust council

[1:13:32] Voice 17: to look at that stuff.

[1:13:38] Voice 17: I'm also wondering if,

[1:13:39] Voice 17: you know in order to stick with this budget um that we um not support the cdfcp

[1:13:48] Voice 17: at this point um and maybe we can go back to it um next year um i could have some more you

[1:13:57] Voice 17: have you know i'd be happy to make more comments later but uh and they'll leave it at that now

[1:14:01] Voice 17: thanks okay

[1:14:05] Voice 8: thank you trustee harris um i'm going to just make a couple of comments as a member

[1:14:09] Voice 8: number next and see if anybody else has any additional comments um it was very interesting

[1:14:16] Voice 8: hearing from all of these various partnerships um just hearing how they're planning on using the

[1:14:24] Voice 8: money so for me i heard definitely four out of the five explicitly say that they're going to be

[1:14:32] Voice 8: using it for coordination for um website usage or for virtual meeting usage exactly as it was

[1:14:41] Voice 8: was originally intended um the one that stood out for me was um and it was the coastal douglas fur

[1:14:49] Voice 8: when when it was asked they're looking to and i could have misunderstood this but it sounded

[1:14:53] Voice 8: like they were looking to use it for a project for the gary oak project and i might have i might

[1:15:01] Voice 8: have miss misunderstood

[1:15:02] Voice 6: that um so that's sort of and and that

[1:15:09] Voice 8: was sort of sort of where i was going

[1:15:11] Voice 8: own. What have they said that they're going to be using this money for?

[1:15:16] Voice 9: If you turn to page 26

[1:15:18] Voice 9: of the agenda on their letter, they state they're looking for support for coordination of a working

[1:15:23] Voice 9: group, both the Coastal Oak and Prairie, the Coastal Oak and Prairie Working Group and the

[1:15:28] Voice 9: Securement Working Group, and then for content for the website, as well as meeting support for

[1:15:35] Voice 9: the Steering Committee and Working Group and Technical Committee meetings. So they are looking

[1:15:39] Voice 9: looking for administrative

[1:15:39] Voice 8: support okay so yeah that's good um so unfortunately like trustee

[1:15:44] Voice 8: harris said there is a bit of controversy regarding the content of what's what's being

[1:15:52] Voice 8: said on the website so i'm going to also ask the question is this something that we want to support

[1:15:59] Voice 8: at this time and if we if there is support that we want to put here do we want to do reduced

[1:16:05] Voice 8: support

[1:16:05] Voice 6: um just until these these controversial

[1:16:16] Voice 8: elements have been addressed and i mean this could

[1:16:20] Voice 8: be something that we could work with them on or like i i again this is a conversation so i'm just

[1:16:25] Voice 8: sort of throwing it out on the floor and that's it for me so i'm going to ask trustee fast is is

[1:16:31] Voice 8: is next um

[1:16:33] Voice 4: thank you very much chair yeah i'm um um i uh really support the whole secretariat

[1:16:40] Voice 4: program um and i just like to say i think it it relates to um um the island's trust object

[1:16:49] Voice 4: which i'll just read from it uh to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities

[1:16:55] Voice 4: and environment benefit of the residents of the trust area and bc generally in cooperation with

[1:17:00] Voice 4: with First Nations, municipalities,

[1:17:02] Voice 4: regional districts, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

[1:17:04] Voice 4: And it's the in cooperation with part

[1:17:07] Voice 4: that I think is really served by this secretariat program.

[1:17:13] Voice 4: It takes the bringing people together

[1:17:19] Voice 4: in cooperation to work on projects.

[1:17:21] Voice 4: Otherwise we're all separate islands.

[1:17:23] Voice 4: And so this is a way that we can, in my experience,

[1:17:26] Voice 4: um with the how sound uh with the sorry ocean watch task uh working group it's now called the

[1:17:34] Voice 4: working group it had a different name for a while um in the uh i'll get some how sound um it brings

[1:17:41] Voice 4: all kinds of people together not just organizations and nations and uh elected officials but uh also

[1:17:49] Voice 4: now including um talented and hard-working resource uh volunteers citizen scientists who

[1:17:56] Voice 4: who are finding glass sponge reefs

[1:17:58] Voice 4: and all this kind of thing,

[1:17:59] Voice 4: as well as bigger organizations

[1:18:02] Voice 4: that are doing spatial mapping,

[1:18:04] Voice 4: which we heard from a couple of the presentations today.

[1:18:08] Voice 4: Anyway, I think this,

[1:18:11] Voice 4: I'm just speaking to the secretarial function.

[1:18:13] Voice 4: It fills this critical gap when you can't apply for grants.

[1:18:18] Voice 4: Grants want projects, and this is administration.

[1:18:22] Voice 4: administration the the um boring stuff about setting up meetings and taking minutes and

[1:18:28] Voice 4: things that volunteers can do for a certain amount of time uh and then they run out of steam and then

[1:18:33] Voice 4: the network collapses so i'm um i'm really supportive of the of the project and hopefully

[1:18:39] Voice 4: one day we can have a uh a forum of forums all across the trust area uh right now it's a bit

[1:18:46] Voice 4: geographic, although not all. Anyway, I just think that I support all of the asks, especially the,

[1:19:00] Voice 4: well, all of them. The Coastal Douglas Fur Partnership, a conservation partnership,

[1:19:05] Voice 4: partnership, I think, is really important. I'm not bothered by the idea that the partnership

[1:19:18] Voice 4: is not important or significant. I think it's, to me, the same as saying that the glass sponge

[1:19:25] Voice 4: reefs and the marine environment in Howe Sound or the special ecosystems we've got on Bowen Island

[1:19:32] Voice 4: are not important, just because some people have other ideas about what is more important.

[1:19:41] Voice 4: So anyway, I think this fits within the Islands Trust object. It helps us fulfill our mandate.

[1:19:49] Voice 4: It's a good return on investment. All of these groups talked about how the support that came

[1:19:55] Voice 4: from Islands Trust helped them to get more grants or to get their biosphere status or to

[1:20:04] Voice 4: bring more partnerships together or to, in one case, reduce loggerheads that I heard about the

[1:20:14] Voice 4: Bain Sound Forum. I heard them talk about all these good things. And staff have referred to

[1:20:21] Voice 4: to that as well in terms of improvements of relationships

[1:20:24] Voice 4: and less dropping of communications.

[1:20:27] Voice 4: Anyway, all of these good things, I've support all of these

[1:20:31] Voice 4: and being on the Ocean Watch Working Group,

[1:20:34] Voice 4: I also support the working groups

[1:20:37] Voice 4: that the Coastal Douglas Fir Partnership is talking about,

[1:20:42] Voice 4: the Coastal Oak and Prairie Working Group.

[1:20:44] Voice 4: And anyway, these things are important.

[1:20:46] Voice 4: So I just was gonna propose that we

[1:20:51] Voice 4: And take $600 off of each of the larger asks, the $3,000 and $4,000 asks, so that we're within our budgets, and support all of them.

[1:21:04] Voice 4: So I'll be doing my math while we continue discussing, but I'm interested in what others have to think about that, is dividing up the money among all of the groups.

[1:21:16] Voice 4: and um uh that's my little

[1:21:22] Voice 6: chat brilliant

[1:21:24] Voice 8: thank you so much um cliff i'm just gonna turn a quick

[1:21:27] Voice 8: question over to staff before i go on to the next speaker um so and and this is a process question

[1:21:34] Voice 8: this is right now we're into the meat of the meeting do we do we take questions from the

[1:21:42] Voice 8: the from the speakers at this point from the from the various partnerships that gave their

[1:21:48] Voice 8: presentation earlier or is this closed to business for the trustees at this point you're on mute

[1:21:59] Voice 9: typically not typically you know public comments are made during the delegation or public comment

[1:22:04] Voice 9: period that said trust meetings are really you know administered at the judgment of the chair

[1:22:09] Voice 9: and so that would be you know at your discretion chair but typically um we reserve the public

[1:22:14] Voice 9: comment for those periods um but yeah and i'll let chair like him wait in as needed as

[1:22:19] Voice 9: very experienced chair but generally um it is at the discretion

[1:22:21] Voice 8: of the chair okay so yeah if uh if

[1:22:26] Voice 8: ex officio luckham has any suggestions at this point because i'm fairly new to the trust chairing

[1:22:33] Voice 8: i would uh i'd appreciate hearing it yeah

[1:22:37] Trustee Luckham: certainly ultimately um all these things that

[1:22:39] Trustee Luckham: the discussion of the chair i uh been in the practice often of determining whether or not

[1:22:45] Trustee Luckham: there's a majority interest in the committee as to whether or not they feel that there's a necessity

[1:22:51] Trustee Luckham: for more information or clarification and i think um if we're speaking about delegates and wanting

[1:22:58] Trustee Luckham: to answer maybe questions that were raised that were not asked when they made their delegation

[1:23:02] Trustee Luckham: um i sort of think of that as different than uh public um as uh claire has said um because they

[1:23:12] Trustee Luckham: obviously have a vested interest in it and um may be able to help clarify but again um it is at the

[1:23:19] Trustee Luckham: discretion of the chair so it's up to you but that's how i would handle it

[1:23:23] Voice 8: perfect thank you

[1:23:24] Voice 8: i appreciate the the information so yes i think because we're dealing specifically with these

[1:23:31] Voice 8: items and if there are questions that weren't asked or thought of while the delegation was

[1:23:38] Voice 8: occurring I think it would be really good to get the information directly from the delegates because

[1:23:44] Voice 8: they may be able to shed a little extra light on it. The other thing I was going to mention which

[1:23:49] Voice 8: I didn't before because we have more requests than we have funding if we can have our discussion as

[1:23:57] Voice 8: to where we could or how we could support these various requests and meet our maximum

[1:24:11] Voice 8: funding amount would be great. So we've already had one suggestion of sort of an equal spread

[1:24:20] Voice 8: of reduction and then we've had another suggestion of perhaps not supporting one of these this

[1:24:27] Voice 8: this year and coming back to it. So I will turn it over to staff to get the question or

[1:24:36] Voice 8: clarification from, who was it that was asking? Was it Lindsay? I don't remember. I can't see.

[1:24:46] Voice 6: Yeah, Lindsay, if we can ask Lindsay to be brought back in again, let me know when she's ready.

[1:25:03] Voice 6: I'm not sure if we're having technical

[1:25:16] Voice 8: difficulties or not.

[1:25:17] Voice 8: No,

[1:25:17] Voice 18: Lindsay is present and able to speak when you wish, Madam Chair.

[1:25:23] Voice 8: Go ahead, Lindsay.

[1:25:25] Voice 1: So one of the questions that was asked was whether there's any First Nations representation

[1:25:31] Voice 1: on the Steering Committee itself. So we don't have anybody sat on the Steering Committee.

[1:25:37] Voice 1: The Stakaia Learning Society is part of the Coastal Okan Prairie Working Group, and with

[1:25:44] Voice 1: the project that we're running in terms of our large mapping project and the Shishelt First

[1:25:49] Voice 1: Nation and the Squamish First Nation are directly involved with that and we've also had input from

[1:25:55] Voice 1: Musqueam and Cowichan tribes into those projects and also the Stolo Nation so while they don't sit

[1:26:03] Voice 1: directly on the steering committee we're obviously making every effort to engage them within the

[1:26:07] Voice 1: partnership okay

[1:26:09] Voice 8: thank you um

[1:26:11] Voice 6: okay so trustee harris you've got a question i

[1:26:20] Voice 7: have some comments

[1:26:21] Voice 7: and a question regarding the cdfcp and and not funding them this this time around

[1:26:37] Voice 17: um

[1:26:39] Voice 17: again the other groups have been have we've had zero negative feedback on um we've had have had

[1:26:46] Voice 17: had some significant concerns from the public

[1:26:50] Voice 17: regarding the information put out by the CDFCP.

[1:26:55] Voice 17: And until we can straighten all that stuff out,

[1:26:57] Voice 17: I really think it would be wise not to give any cash

[1:27:02] Voice 17: at this point, the Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:27:05] Voice 17: it was already 40 hours from Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:27:12] Voice 17: going to the CDFCP at this point.

[1:27:18] Voice 17: the um i'm just trying to scroll through my notes here um you know one of the quotes

[1:27:26] Voice 17: um that i've seen here regarding the aboriginal i maybe i won't even go to that i've heard that

[1:27:32] Voice 17: they are working with them but um had some one of the questions i would have though is

[1:27:37] Voice 17: is it true the cdfcp's lost um funding from the real estate foundation um support from them and

[1:27:45] Voice 17: If so, why?

[1:27:47] Voice 1: No, as in we haven't made any applications to them

[1:27:51] Voice 1: in the last couple of years.

[1:27:56] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[1:27:58] Voice 6: I'll leave it at that.

[1:28:00] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:28:01] Voice 6: Trustee Fast?

[1:28:03] Voice 4: Thank you, Chair.

[1:28:05] Voice 4: Yeah, just a comment.

[1:28:07] Voice 4: Having been on the Islands Trust Conservancy Board,

[1:28:10] Voice 4: and Claire, please jump in,

[1:28:12] Voice 4: I think it's a partnership.

[1:28:16] Voice 4: So it's more like a co-op.

[1:28:18] Voice 4: and uh so islands trust conservancy um sharing staff time uh also helps the islands trust

[1:28:28] Voice 4: conservancy in that that's work that they don't have to do by themselves part of all of this

[1:28:33] Voice 4: and i see claire nodding part of all this is is that individual groups don't have to reinvent the

[1:28:39] Voice 4: wheel or um do work that others have already done um and uh and that goes for volunteer groups or

[1:28:50] Voice 4: for elected bodies like the lion's bay looking to what bowen has done about something and uh

[1:28:58] Voice 4: all of these kinds of things are are um more like working together uh which is part of our local

[1:29:05] Voice 4: government ecosystem. I'm not in support of singling out one group, and here's my suggestion.

[1:29:18] Voice 4: I move that Trust Programs Committee allocate for fiscal year 2023-24 $1,000 to support the

[1:29:28] Voice 4: coordination of the Rural Island Economic Partnership, $2,500 to support the coordination

[1:29:34] Voice 4: of the Bain Sound Lambert Channel Ecosystem Forum,

[1:29:37] Voice 4: 2,500 to support the coordination

[1:29:40] Voice 4: of the Coastal Douglas Fir Conservation Partnership,

[1:29:43] Voice 4: 3,500 to support the coordination

[1:29:46] Voice 4: of the Alketsam Howe Sound Community Forum,

[1:29:50] Voice 4: and 2,500 to support the coordination

[1:29:53] Voice 4: of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum.

[1:29:56] Voice 4: That adds up to the 12...

[1:30:00] Voice 4: um thousand that we've got in our uh budget and that would enable all these groups to um

[1:30:05] Voice 4: get on with the uh uh planning their year of um uh events and meetings and uh uh working group

[1:30:16] Voice 4: uh coordination and uh uh so that they could um uh count on uh this secretarial sort of support

[1:30:26] Voice 4: course, in order to achieve all the good work that they do for Islands Trust, as well as with

[1:30:33] Voice 4: Islands Trust in cooperation. So that's my proposal. Thank you.

[1:30:38] Voice 4: Thank

[1:30:38] Voice 8: you so much, Trustee Fast. I really appreciate putting the motion on the floor.

[1:30:42] Voice 8: Now that we have, do I have a seconder for the motion on the floor?

[1:30:50] Voice 6: Tim Peterson is second.

[1:30:52] Voice 15: If it's possible, I'd like to see the numbers. I know we can discuss them after once the motion is

[1:30:58] Voice 15: is in discussion, but it would be lovely to see what Trustee Fast's numbers were.

[1:31:04] Voice 6: Okay, you're back.

[1:31:07] Voice 18: Chair, if I may?

[1:31:10] Voice 6: Yes, go ahead. Would

[1:31:11] Voice 18: Trustee Fast be able to

[1:31:14] Voice 18: send that motion to me, please, so I get the numbers correct?

[1:31:19] Voice 4: I'm taking a photo. I'll send

[1:31:20] Voice 4: it to

[1:31:21] Voice 6: you right away. Thank you. Perfect. Okay, so while we're waiting for that to come up,

[1:31:28] Voice 6: um yes we'll just you

[1:31:36] Voice 8: know sing a song have some elevator music it was

[1:31:38] Voice 4: just just so people know

[1:31:39] Voice 4: while i'm doing this um it was just taking um 500 off of uh each of the ones that have three zeros

[1:31:47] Voice 4: behind them and i'm looking at page 15 so um where it says 3 000 it'll say 2 500 where it says

[1:31:56] Voice 4: says 4,000, it says 3,500. And at the top there where it says 1,120, it just says 1,000. And

[1:32:07] Voice 4: somebody can check my math again, but I'm pretty sure, and I'll just email this to Robert.

[1:32:14] Voice 4: Perfect. Thank you so

[1:32:15] Voice 8: much. So while we're waiting for that, Trustee Harris.

[1:32:18] Voice 6: Math checks out.

[1:32:22] Voice 6: Thank you. Trustee Harris, do you have a comment?

[1:32:25] Voice 6: if

[1:32:29] Voice 7: this is the right time to make the comment um you

[1:32:33] Voice 17: know in speaking to the motion um again

[1:32:36] Voice 17: i would want to make sure i'm completely um on the record as not being in support of giving

[1:32:44] Voice 17: any funding to the cdfcp um after what we had at our last trust council um with delegations

[1:32:52] Voice 17: and motions passed i think it's very wise not to be giving any cash and i don't want to be involved

[1:32:57] Voice 17: and giving any cash to them.

[1:33:01] Voice 17: The CDFCP has actively promoted its own revision

[1:33:06] Voice 17: of the BEC classification system,

[1:33:08] Voice 17: which is counter to accepted science.

[1:33:12] Voice 17: Aon's Trust has reused CDFCP material.

[1:33:17] Voice 17: Again, a thousand words of content directly lifted

[1:33:21] Voice 17: from the CDFCP and inserted into our CDF toolkit,

[1:33:24] Voice 17: which is a great contention at this point.

[1:33:29] Voice 17: Um, like who's running the trust here? Um, I just, I can't be any stronger in my words. I

[1:33:38] Voice 17: have zero support for the CDFCP, the rest of the groups. I think it's great. And the

[1:33:43] Voice 17: secretariat services, um, program is awesome. I think at this point would be very wise to,

[1:33:49] Voice 17: um, pull the reins back on the CDFCP and wait until we get things sorted out and then revisit

[1:33:55] Voice 17: it next year. Um, I'll leave it at that. Thank you very much.

[1:33:59] Voice 8: thank you trustee harris um i'm going to maybe ask from some of the other trustees that we haven't

[1:34:04] Voice 8: heard from if they have if they'd like to chime in and give their opinion thoughts comments

[1:34:10] Voice 8: questions

[1:34:11] Voice 6: as well trustee peterson uh

[1:34:17] Voice 16: yeah chair just uh procedure um i know that uh um

[1:34:24] Voice 16: staff barlow is waiting for the for the information to get to him so we can have it

[1:34:29] Voice 16: up on the screen i'm just i'm i'm not clear if the motion was formally seconded i

[1:34:35] Voice 8: believe it was i

[1:34:36] Voice 8: think um staff raider said that it had been seconded okay

[1:34:41] Voice 16: fair enough um okay given that

[1:34:44] Voice 16: then i'm just i want to express my uh thanks to trustee fast for giving us some math and a bit of

[1:34:51] Voice 16: a formula um to go ahead here and i'm going to support the motion thank you okay

[1:34:58] Voice 6: thank you so

[1:35:00] Voice 8: much and is there any other trustee that hasn't spoken yet that would like to speak to the motion

[1:35:09] Voice 8: on the floor i

[1:35:14] Voice 4: have sent the um photo to uh robert so i imagine he's got it back there and will let

[1:35:21] Voice 6: me know if it didn't come through yes so

[1:35:28] Voice 8: i'm not sure if trustee bothwick or trustee allen has

[1:35:30] Voice 8: anything that they'd like to add to the conversation

[1:35:32] Voice 10: um

[1:35:40] Voice 6: trustee bothwick yeah i mean i see

[1:35:45] Voice 6: I see that

[1:35:45] Voice 15: Ex Officio Luckham has comments to add as well.

[1:35:49] Voice 15: I'm happy to wait and hear what pearls he has to share.

[1:35:53] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:35:54] Voice 15: That's good.

[1:35:55] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:35:56] Trustee Luckham: Well, actually,

[1:35:56] Trustee Luckham: I just have a question of clarity

[1:36:01] Trustee Luckham: because the conversation seems to be a bit broader

[1:36:05] Trustee Luckham: than just the motion.

[1:36:07] Trustee Luckham: And I am reluctant to speak to the motion being Ex Officio.

[1:36:11] Trustee Luckham: This is a decision of the committee.

[1:36:14] Trustee Luckham: I did have a question for staff with respect to the difference between the Allen's trust work and the delegates work, which I'll leave that to you without.

[1:36:29] Trustee Luckham: I don't want to weigh in so much on the unless you ask me to on the debate on the motion, but I just thought there might be some clarity that might help.

[1:36:43] Voice 6: So I'm happy to, I'm not sure I understand the

[1:36:46] Voice 9: question, but are you referencing the difficulties with some of the sentences that have been used in publications or the work in general?

[1:36:52] Voice 9: Well,

[1:36:53] Trustee Luckham: no, I just certainly want to acknowledge that Trustee Harris has spoken to the issues that were raised at Council and how the Islands Trust has been using and interpreting other parties' information in our own materials.

[1:37:08] Trustee Luckham: And certainly there has yet to be decided whether or not there's erroneous data or not, and we'll await for that process to unfold.

[1:37:19] Trustee Luckham: But I'm just concerned that the actions and work of the Allen's Trust is tainting the work of a delegation that that they're what they do is completely independent of what we do or how we interpret it or how we use it.

[1:37:35] Trustee Luckham: And so that responsibility shouldn't or if there's something wrong there, I wouldn't want our and I don't necessarily I don't want to flavor it in any way.

[1:37:44] Trustee Luckham: but if let's just say it is wrong, then I wouldn't want that activity of ours to jeopardize the work

[1:37:51] Trustee Luckham: of another agency who has their own reasons and rationale and science to continue doing what

[1:37:58] Trustee Luckham: they're doing, which is also supported by a number of other bodies. So I just wanted to ask that

[1:38:03] Trustee Luckham: question of clarity, that difference, whether or not that's important or not, or subtle or not,

[1:38:08] Trustee Luckham: from staff through the chair okay well

[1:38:12] Voice 9: happy to answer that as best i can um so with regard to the

[1:38:16] Voice 9: the concerns around language that have been raised i've been through um since the best i can since

[1:38:20] Voice 9: trust council and i've identified like some of the writing is our own right where we've had a planner

[1:38:25] Voice 9: interpret some language and and characterize it incorrectly and so that certainly will be working

[1:38:31] Voice 9: towards fixing and then there is a joint publication amongst various parties including

[1:38:35] Voice 9: including the CDFCP, where there's two sentences where they characterize the geography incorrectly.

[1:38:40] Voice 9: I think that's the point Mr. Donison was speaking to in his delegation was, you know, this the sense

[1:38:45] Voice 9: that it occurs nowhere else in the world was interpreted as simply Canada, whereas in fact,

[1:38:49] Voice 9: there is an extent in the United States as well. So certainly, I think now we're all back from

[1:38:54] Voice 9: vacations, we'll be working with the partners to correct those statements and have them be more

[1:38:57] Voice 9: correct in terms of the geography. And that's the work we're doing towards. So some certainly was

[1:39:03] Voice 9: was trust staff error in terms of those sentences that were used and others it looks like it might

[1:39:08] Voice 9: have been done within a collaboration. So

[1:39:12] Voice 8: to clarify what you just said as well so some of

[1:39:14] Voice 8: the sentences that are incorrect this money that is being requested could go towards making those

[1:39:21] Voice 8: corrections on their website? I would expect so yes. Right so in fact this could support

[1:39:27] Voice 8: court moving that issue away,

[1:39:32] Voice 9: potentially.

[1:39:33] Voice 9: Yes, although I would say, you know,

[1:39:35] Voice 9: in terms of the fact sheet and question,

[1:39:36] Voice 9: from what my preliminary look at it,

[1:39:38] Voice 9: we're looking at two sentences that need to be amended

[1:39:40] Voice 9: and then re-PDFed, yeah.

[1:39:43] Voice 8: Okay, awesome, thank you.

[1:39:44] Voice 8: Trustee Borthwick, back to you.

[1:39:47] Voice 15: Yeah, and thank you,

[1:39:49] Voice 15: thank you, Staff Barlow, for getting things on the screen.

[1:39:54] Voice 15: I find it much easier to look at numbers sometimes.

[1:39:58] Voice 15: um yeah i i um i do i i really hear trustee harris in terms of his concerns around this stuff

[1:40:07] Voice 15: um and i you know i think that is a serious consideration um i'm not uh unilaterally opposed

[1:40:17] Voice 15: to uh the cdfp in that in the same in quite the same manner but i i you know i think it is

[1:40:26] Voice 15: is something that's serious and needs to be considered.

[1:40:31] Voice 15: But I, to sort of, Director Frater sort of took what I was,

[1:40:38] Voice 15: or Chair Evans, you sort of took exactly

[1:40:41] Voice 15: what I was going to say is that theoretically,

[1:40:43] Voice 15: I don't know that I support completely defunding them

[1:40:45] Voice 15: from our perspective because theoretically,

[1:40:48] Voice 15: this money could be used.

[1:40:49] Voice 15: If there are concerns and if there are inaccuracies,

[1:40:52] Voice 15: they're gonna need to do work

[1:40:54] Voice 15: to correct anything that happens.

[1:40:56] Voice 15: So it seems to me that defunding them isn't necessarily the thing, and I think as Ex Officio Luckum said, you know, the parts that are the ILO's trust responsibility are, you know, we are discussing that at the trust council level, and that is being done through the staff as well.

[1:41:16] Voice 15: So those elements are, I think, not quite what this discussion is about. This discussion is about whether we want to support their work in general.

[1:41:24] Voice 15: um to that end um and this is i suppose more my where i care about this is um it seems to me that

[1:41:36] Voice 15: this is winding up being a disproportionate set of cuts in that other bodies are losing

[1:41:44] Voice 15: a greater sum of money relatively speaking than the cdfp um so i would want to propose a

[1:41:54] Voice 15: a uh a more equitable cut across the board rather than we're going to have to not award as much

[1:42:03] Voice 15: money as somebody wants that's that's that's just the way that that is um but it seems to me like

[1:42:11] Voice 15: uh if the cdfp is only losing 120 of their ask that doesn't seem proportionate or

[1:42:22] Voice 8: I'm going to interrupt. I'm sorry. No, they're losing $500 each.

[1:42:27] Voice 8: Anything, so it was $3,000. Originally it was the Rural Island Economic Partnership was $1,123.

[1:42:36] Voice 8: The Bay Sound was $3,000. It's been reduced by $500.

[1:42:40] Voice 14: Oh, yeah. Sorry.

[1:42:41] Voice 15: I'm looking at the wrong thing.

[1:42:44] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:42:44] Voice 8: Just sorry to interrupt, but I just wanted to clarify.

[1:42:47] Voice 15: No, no, no, you're absolutely correct, I was, I can't read, that's my big problem,

[1:42:53] Voice 15: that makes this job very challenging, but I, it does seem like,

[1:42:58] Voice 6: yeah, anyways, the point still

[1:42:59] Voice 6: stands, but. Okay, so what would you, what would you propose differently?

[1:43:09] Voice 15: Well, I mean, I was,

[1:43:11] Voice 15: like I say, I was misreading that, so I don't know, I mean, that does still seem, I don't know,

[1:43:18] Voice 15: I'd be open to discussing it, but it, like, I guess that seems like a disproportionate thing,

[1:43:22] Voice 15: But I suppose, I mean, we're not going to be able to pay everyone the same, what they want. So we have to move forward with it one way or another. Yeah, I don't know. Part of my disgruntlement just comes out of my own misunderstanding.

[1:43:44] Voice 15: Oh,

[1:43:45] Voice 8: I see. No worries.

[1:43:48] Voice 6: Okay, so Trustee Harris has his hand up next.

[1:43:51] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair. So I see, you

[1:44:04] Voice 17: know, great. I get where Trustee Borthwick is going here. And yeah, I have a hard time taking funding away from these other groups.

[1:44:17] Voice 17: groups, you know, the Rural Island Economic Partnership, for instance, it looks to me

[1:44:24] Voice 17: like they could maybe use a little bit more.

[1:44:27] Voice 17: And with all these, you know, to what Ex Officio Luckum was speaking to, with the concerns

[1:44:32] Voice 17: that are out there, I would think, you know, if we can stick on the budget, stick to our

[1:44:39] Voice 17: our budget and divide the 12,000 up equally between the four

[1:44:45] Voice 17: and not fund the CDFCP at this moment in time,

[1:44:49] Voice 17: possibly in the future,

[1:44:50] Voice 17: we have no guarantees that they're going to take the money,

[1:44:54] Voice 17: the CDFCP that is,

[1:44:55] Voice 17: and use it to go over possible valid or invalid information.

[1:45:01] Voice 17: And from what I've seen from Mr. Donison's delegation,

[1:45:05] Voice 17: there's far more than two sentences that are,

[1:45:10] Voice 17: questionable so you know again i think these other and the cdfcp could be a great um a great

[1:45:18] Voice 17: program as well but at this point in time i don't i don't understand it and i don't understand why

[1:45:23] Voice 17: we would be pushing for it and not want to use some caution um and just put it on the back burner

[1:45:29] Voice 17: this time stick to that stick to the budget and um and support these other great programs we clearly

[1:45:35] Voice 17: clearly have been excellent and good things coming

[1:45:40] Voice 17: from all of them and zero negative input

[1:45:44] Voice 17: from the public on any of them.

[1:45:46] Voice 17: So I would like to see the motion looking somewhere

[1:45:51] Voice 17: along the lines of just that.

[1:45:53] Voice 17: No coastal Douglas for partnership in there at all

[1:45:56] Voice 17: and then the rest of the budget going to the other four.

[1:46:02] Voice 17: Looking to hear comments on that.

[1:46:04] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:46:06] Voice 6: So I'm just going to

[1:46:07] Voice 8: finish going through the other comments first. So Trustee Fast,

[1:46:12] Voice 8: you're up next.

[1:46:14] Voice 4: Thank you. I thought I saw Tim's hand up, but I'll just, this is just a correction.

[1:46:20] Voice 4: So just for page 16, if you're looking at that, the numbers that are down the right-hand side

[1:46:28] Voice 4: on page 16 are the asks these are what the groups have asked for and um so all i've what's the motion

[1:46:37] Voice 4: that's up on the screen is just um rural island economic partnership lower by 120 dollars uh

[1:46:46] Voice 4: bain sound lambert channel down 500 coastal douglas for conservation partnership down 500

[1:46:54] Voice 4: I'll get somehow sound community forum down 500

[1:46:59] Voice 4: and Southern Gulf Islands forum down 500.

[1:47:02] Voice 4: So I've tried to spread it evenly across.

[1:47:05] Voice 4: And that's all I was doing was providing some clarification

[1:47:08] Voice 4: there with the page number,

[1:47:10] Voice 4: which I don't think I'd done before.

[1:47:11] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:47:12] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:47:13] Voice 8: Trustee Peterson.

[1:47:17] Voice 16: Thank you chair.

[1:47:18] Voice 16: So in terms of the funding here,

[1:47:21] Voice 16: Mayor. We do have requests in total of about $2,120 more than we have allocated. Just want

[1:47:33] Voice 16: to take a moment and remind this committee that we chose before budget time to reduce

[1:47:39] Voice 16: the budget for this. So this is why we actually have more requested than we have on the offering.

[1:47:46] Voice 16: offering uh so that's just the one point um i was also going to uh i wanted to speak to trustee

[1:47:56] Voice 16: borthwick's um thoughts on a slightly more equitable formula and that would and it's not

[1:48:05] Voice 16: this isn't a huge change but i believe it is slightly more equitable and that would be to

[1:48:10] Voice 16: to change the $2,500 amounts to $2,600

[1:48:17] Voice 16: and to reduce the 3,500 amount to $3,200.

[1:48:23] Voice 16: And that would get us a slightly more equitable distribution

[1:48:27] Voice 16: in terms of the asks and the reductions.

[1:48:32] Voice 16: Because of course, reducing 3,000 to 2,500

[1:48:37] Voice 16: hundred is a bigger jump than reducing uh the four thousand to thirty five so percentage wise

[1:48:45] Voice 16: so um that's just my suggestion as a way to go about this to just tiny bit more equity in our

[1:48:53] Voice 16: distribution and uh i'm gonna leave it at that and and uh listen to everyone else and if it seems

[1:49:03] Voice 16: appropriate i'll i'll uh come back with a proposal and propose an amendment to the motion okay that

[1:49:11] Voice 8: was going to be my next question if you were going to do that um i'm going to go to trustee

[1:49:15] Voice 8: allen because he hasn't spoken on this yet yeah i am

[1:49:19] Voice 8: too trustee fast on

[1:49:20] Voice 5: the side of the highway

[1:49:21] Voice 5: i kept on skipping out from you guys um so i should have brought earplugs because i can i

[1:49:27] Voice 5: cannot hear it at all properly enough when i'm driving but anyways um yeah just what i'm listening

[1:49:31] Voice 5: to and what exactly what trustee peterson brought up because when trustee borswick brought up the

[1:49:38] Voice 5: whole equity thing it it didn't seem right and um yeah i like where uh trustee peterson's taking

[1:49:44] Voice 5: this because that's what i was going to suggest something a little more equitable so i'm not sure

[1:49:50] Voice 5: whether he's going to make a motion or he's going to listen to more of us talk or

[1:49:54] Voice 6: could we take it

[1:49:55] Voice 6: as a friendly

[1:49:55] Voice 4: amendment or

[1:49:57] Voice 5: okay because

[1:49:58] Voice 8: i i could go for that and there there is no such thing as

[1:50:03] Voice 8: friendly amendments anymore in robert's rules it has to be an amendment and it has to be voted on

[1:50:08] Voice 8: um so i'm going to go back then to trustee peterson and see if you're willing to make

[1:50:15] Voice 8: an amendment precisely

[1:50:20] Voice 16: why i raised my hand again so i um i would like to amend the motion

[1:50:26] Voice 16: by changing the $2,500 amounts to $2,600

[1:50:32] Voice 16: and the $3,500 amount to $3,200.

[1:50:38] Voice 6: Second.

[1:50:40] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:50:41] Voice 6: 2,600, $3,500 amount.

[1:51:01] Voice 6: 32, yeah.

[1:51:09] Voice 6: Okay, Trustee Peterson.

[1:51:10] Voice 16: And

[1:51:10] Voice 6: I believe that

[1:51:10] Voice 16: still achieves our total amount.

[1:51:16] Voice 16: If anyone wants to double check my math,

[1:51:18] Voice 16: I welcome that

[1:51:20] Voice 6: okay so if I can get you to read it out one more time and then we

[1:51:42] Voice 6: can

[1:51:42] Voice 16: trust programs committee amend the motion by changing the three $2,500

[1:51:49] Voice 16: amounts to $2,600 and the $3,500 amount to $3,200 are

[1:51:56] Voice 8: there any questions on the

[1:51:58] Voice 8: amendment trustee Borthwick no okay took your hand out okay then if there are no

[1:52:05] Voice 8: no questions I am going to move the question and ask all those that are in favor of the amendment

[1:52:11] Voice 8: oh somebody's waving their hand

[1:52:13] Voice 5: seconded it yet we haven't seconded it

[1:52:18] Voice 8: was seconded

[1:52:19] Voice 8: to

[1:52:20] Voice 5: by either trustee Borthwick or Alan um

[1:52:24] Voice 8: staff can you let us know who who seconded it I saw

[1:52:27] Voice 8: I saw hands

[1:52:27] Voice 6: waving and somebody said it was seconded I'm afraid I missed it Robert do you

[1:52:36] Voice 6: have a record?

[1:52:39] Voice 18: Chair, I believe you had indicated yes, you accept that there was seconded.

[1:52:45] Voice 8: I thought there was two. Okay, so if it hasn't been seconded, then I'll ask for a seconder

[1:52:48] Voice 8: again. That's what I thought. I thought I saw your hand, Trustee Allen.

[1:52:54] Voice 5: Well, it actually was

[1:52:54] Voice 5: both Trustee Borthwick and I at the same time, to be honest, but I'm easy going. Okay,

[1:53:00] Voice 8: so again,

[1:53:02] Voice 8: I'll ask the question. Are there any questions, comments on the amendment? Any further discussion?

[1:53:11] Voice 8: I'm not seeing anyone raise their hand so I'm going to move the question and all those in favor

[1:53:16] Voice 8: please raise your hand

[1:53:18] Voice 6: I'm trying to find mine okay I'm going to ask the question trustee Ellen

[1:53:33] Voice 6: okay I see your

[1:53:34] Voice 6: hand I see your physical hand thank you so much um if we can lower our hand

[1:53:46] Voice 6: and trustee Ellen I can see you're struggling um

[1:53:51] Voice 8: I'm going to I'm going to say that perhaps you're

[1:53:53] Voice 8: we're going to say oh there we go and any

[1:53:55] Voice 6: opposed I see one opposed then the amendment is carried

[1:54:08] Voice 6: so I'll just wait while the amendment is made to the main motion okay perfect do we have any

[1:54:48] Voice 8: additional comments or discussion on the revised motion

[1:54:52] Voice 6: trustee Harris thank you well I don't

[1:55:01] Voice 6: don't expect to get any

[1:55:02] Voice 17: support um but i would i'm not sure what point we're at here but can we

[1:55:09] Voice 17: can i put an amendment here or is that you

[1:55:13] Voice 6: can make an amendment i

[1:55:18] Voice 17: would like to

[1:55:20] Voice 7: amend the movement if

[1:55:22] Voice 6: i could see the motion or i i can't amend it without looking at it i'm sorry

[1:55:28] Voice 6: i

[1:55:31] Voice 17: would like to amend it so that the rural island economic partnership receives the amount they're

[1:55:39] Voice 17: they're asking for in full,

[1:55:42] Voice 17: and that the Coastal Douglas fir,

[1:55:45] Voice 17: the CDFCP is taken right over there.

[1:55:47] Voice 17: About 2,600 to support the coordination

[1:55:50] Voice 17: of the Coastal Douglas Fir Conservation Partnership

[1:55:52] Voice 17: is removed.

[1:55:59] Voice 6: I'll wait for staff to capture the amendment.

[1:56:35] Voice 6: If I might chair while Robert's writing that.

[1:56:38] Voice 6: You bet.

[1:56:39] Voice 9: So I think it would be important

[1:56:41] Voice 9: just for the committee to consider,

[1:56:43] Voice 9: do you want to leave the, under this,

[1:56:45] Voice 9: it would leave the existing amounts as is and you would just be not allocating out your full

[1:56:49] Voice 9: budget in this meeting or yeah so I just wanted to draw that to your attention with this motion

[1:56:54] Voice 9: you'd just be reducing the amount of overall funding provided yeah

[1:57:00] Voice 8: trustee Borthwick you

[1:57:01] Voice 8: have a comment uh

[1:57:02] Voice 15: yeah I just wanted to point that out too I don't know if trustee Harris if

[1:57:06] Voice 15: you wanted to increase the amounts of funding to the other bodies by the amount removed

[1:57:12] Voice 15: moved from the CDFP, just if that's what you mean.

[1:57:19] Voice 17: Well, if we can allocate them the amount they're asking for

[1:57:23] Voice 17: without going over budget, then 100% yes.

[1:57:33] Voice 6: Chair, if I may.

[1:57:35] Voice 6: Please go ahead.

[1:57:36] Voice 18: I'm not clear what Trustee Harris means by,

[1:57:42] Voice 18: if you could just clarify what you mean by the amount

[1:57:45] Voice 18: they are asking for for the rural island economic partnership just to be clear about that

[1:57:50] Voice 17: okay look

[1:57:51] Voice 17: okay sure that it seems they're asking for one thousand one hundred and twenty dollars

[1:57:56] Voice 17: thank

[1:57:59] Voice 6: you i also think

[1:58:03] Voice 8: that the conversation just went to reverting the other partnerships

[1:58:09] Voice 8: back to the original amount and deleting the the cdfp cp okay

[1:58:16] Voice 17: well i'll have to do some math

[1:58:18] Voice 17: I'd be welcome to any help with that.

[1:58:22] Voice 17: So Southern Gulf Islands Forum, they're asking for 3,000.

[1:58:26] Voice 6: So plus 4,000 to the House Sound Forum plus 3,000.

[1:58:45] Voice 6: So it appears to me that if we gave all

[1:58:55] Voice 17: of the groups

[1:58:56] Voice 17: the funding they're asking for

[1:58:58] Voice 17: and delete the CDFCP from the equation,

[1:59:01] Voice 17: we would be at $11,120.

[1:59:04] Voice 17: So if that is indeed the case and my math is correct,

[1:59:08] Voice 17: then I would also like to give all of the other groups

[1:59:15] Voice 17: minus the CDFCP, what they're asking for.

[1:59:19] Voice 17: If

[1:59:19] Voice 9: I might step in here,

[1:59:21] Voice 9: maybe it's hard in a virtual meeting,

[1:59:23] Voice 9: but Robert, what I think Trustee Harris is looking for

[1:59:25] Voice 9: is you to copy the motion above

[1:59:27] Voice 9: and then we'll just amend the amounts within it

[1:59:29] Voice 9: and delete out Coastal Douglas

[1:59:31] Voice 9: for a conservation partnership.

[1:59:34] Voice 9: So it's, so it, as, and then suggested, I think what we could do is introduce it, say, be amended to read as follows,

[1:59:40] Voice 6: and then have that for clarity.

[1:59:46] Voice 6: Would that work for you, Trustee Harris?

[1:59:48] Voice 17: Yes, please.

[1:59:50] Voice 17: And if I need to assist with that, I'm happy to just.

[1:59:53] Voice 9: So if we

[1:59:54] Voice 8: then copy that, those bullets down.

[1:59:55] Voice 8: Yeah, that's right.

[1:59:59] Voice 8: I would.

[2:00:00] Voice 8: suggest perhaps copying the original motion because that's where the correct amounts are

[2:00:06] Voice 6: i don't know if he has that at hand any longer i'll figure yeah i

[2:00:13] Voice 17: do have the original amounts

[2:00:15] Voice 17: in front of me in the um agenda package if if they would help if i read them out

[2:00:22] Voice 6: and

[2:00:24] Voice 9: then i think the request was to delete out coastal douglas for a partnership so that third

[2:00:29] Voice 9: bullet those

[2:00:34] Voice 4: are not the correct figures i'm afraid

[2:00:36] Voice 9: and then the figure okay so the figure

[2:00:38] Voice 9: in the first bullet is 1,120.

[2:00:42] Voice 6: Yeah. The second bullet is Bain Sound should be 3,000. The next

[2:00:55] Voice 9: bullet, Katsum Hill Sound is 4,000. And then the Southern Gulf Islands Forum would be 3,000.

[2:01:03] Voice 9: So Chesty Harris, am I correct in interpreting that's what you're trying to achieve?

[2:01:08] Voice 17: Yes. Thank you very much, Claire Frager.

[2:01:12] Voice 6: And I think we need an extra zero on the

[2:01:14] Voice 6: final bullet there so back to you chair thank you do we

[2:01:22] Voice 8: have a seconder for this amendment

[2:01:26] Voice 8: trustee borthwick thank you is

[2:01:30] Voice 6: there any additional comments or discussion on the

[2:01:33] Voice 6: amendment i'm not seeing any anybody's hands going up trustee peterson uh

[2:01:46] Voice 16: thank you chair

[2:01:46] Voice 16: I'd just like to acknowledge that I really appreciate Trustee Harris's desire to pursue the accuracy that was brought up with the Denison presentation at Trust Council.

[2:02:07] Voice 16: Council I really do appreciate it um however I'm not going to support the motion because I I I'm

[2:02:15] Voice 16: concerned that this is a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water um my understanding from

[2:02:21] Voice 16: what I've heard from staff is that the the actual inaccuracies that have been discovered are on a

[2:02:28] Voice 16: much smaller scale uh than was alleged at Trust Council and I think that there's a that this

[2:02:36] Voice 16: partnership has done a lot of good work and continues to do good work so that's my comments

[2:02:41] Voice 16: thank you thank

[2:02:43] Voice 8: you so much um trustee borthwick yeah

[2:02:47] Voice 15: um i just wanted to speak to i want to second

[2:02:49] Voice 15: it because i you know i likewise i think trustee harris is uh coming at this from a uh it's an

[2:02:58] Voice 15: important discussion to have i know i do think it is something that we need to to be talking about

[2:03:05] Voice 15: out and to be aware of, and really how the trust gets to vote with their confidence in

[2:03:13] Voice 15: organizations is how we provide funding to those organizations. I share some of Trustee Harris's

[2:03:22] Voice 15: reservations around the language, and I think there's serious things to be worried about.

[2:03:28] Voice 15: I also hear Trustee Peterson in terms of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and I think

[2:03:35] Voice 15: think that I don't necessarily want to condemn the CDFP's work wholesale. I don't think that

[2:03:44] Voice 15: that's the case. I think there are, it sounds like there are questions of accuracy, but I mean,

[2:03:49] Voice 15: I think that otherwise it's not an entirely bad work, but I do think that this is worth discussing

[2:03:55] Voice 15: and I wanted to make sure that Trustee Harris got a chance to actually speak to it. So thank you so

[2:04:03] Voice 8: so much.

[2:04:03] Voice 8: And then Trustee Harrison, then Claire Freighter

[2:04:06] Voice 8: and then Trustee Fast.

[2:04:08] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Evans.

[2:04:12] Voice 6: I appreciate

[2:04:13] Voice 7: Trustee Peterson's comment.

[2:04:17] Voice 17: Although I have to disagree respectfully.

[2:04:23] Voice 17: I want to remind us ourselves that we have,

[2:04:30] Voice 17: we've had an in-camera session at Trust Council.

[2:04:33] Voice 17: We're still waiting to hear from the results

[2:04:36] Voice 17: from what has gone on there this is directly related cdfcp it's direct this is related to that

[2:04:44] Voice 17: i think that's probably as far as i can go at this point and with talking about that so but

[2:04:51] Voice 17: if we can remind ourselves of that this is very important we possibly can revisit the cdfcp next

[2:04:59] Voice 17: year after we get a conclusion of what actually has gone on here it's very simple they all still

[2:05:08] Voice 17: We still already have 40 hours of staff time

[2:05:10] Voice 17: from Islands Trust Conservancy, let's not forget that.

[2:05:14] Voice 17: It can be helped and some great work can be done

[2:05:18] Voice 17: in that 40 hours.

[2:05:20] Voice 17: So I support this motion as is,

[2:05:23] Voice 17: and I would hope the rest of you would too.

[2:05:26] Voice 17: Thanks.

[2:05:28] Voice 8: Trustee Harris and then staff Raita, you have a comment?

[2:05:32] Voice 9: Yes, just wanting to clarify my comments around

[2:05:35] Voice 9: sort of that the work we're doing to analyze the work

[2:05:38] Voice 9: is preliminary not yet completed we are the where i reference like the number of sentences that was

[2:05:43] Voice 9: regarded to the preliminary review of the one fact sheet that has multiple logos including cdfcp on

[2:05:49] Voice 9: it and yes we continue to do the work but we have identified that some of the errors that have

[2:05:53] Voice 9: occurred are owned violence trust staff um so just wanted to make that clear um and that work is

[2:05:58] Voice 9: under is continuing thank you i just didn't want to make sure i'd been clear and then trustee fast

[2:06:06] Voice 8: uh

[2:06:07] Voice 4: thank you i'll be um voting against this uh amendment um because i do support the work of the

[2:06:14] Voice 4: uh uh coastal uh douglas for conservation partnership i think it's a partnership of

[2:06:20] Voice 4: all the groups working together to carry out partly the object of the trust which is to

[2:06:25] Voice 4: protect and preserve um unique amenities and environment and uh in collaboration with so

[2:06:31] Voice 4: So that's what we're doing.

[2:06:33] Voice 4: I don't, I've had trouble accepting the allegations

[2:06:42] Voice 4: because it goes against everything that I've understood.

[2:06:45] Voice 4: I see one typo, only place in the world,

[2:06:47] Voice 4: as opposed to only place in perhaps,

[2:06:50] Voice 4: the word should have been Canada.

[2:06:51] Voice 4: That's one word.

[2:06:53] Voice 4: And I'm hearing, you know, from staff

[2:06:55] Voice 4: that some of the word changes,

[2:06:57] Voice 4: The other issues that may be found are in Islands Trust's website, not this group that's asking for our ongoing secretariat administrative support so that they can get grant funding for the working groups or to support the working groups that Islands Trust is involved in.

[2:07:20] Voice 4: And that's partly let's help ourselves by funding this group, which we're in partnership with.

[2:07:29] Voice 4: So I'm I'll be voting in against this motion, this amendment. Thank you.

[2:07:35] Voice 8: Thank you. For myself, I'm finding myself a little split on which way to vote here.

[2:07:42] Voice 8: here. While we do have an issue in front of Council at the moment, there is work already

[2:07:51] Voice 8: underway with that. The funding that's being requested here could also go towards helping

[2:08:01] Voice 8: to rectify some of the errors, should it be found that they are errors on our website

[2:08:08] Voice 8: website as well as the CDF website. So I don't know which way to go.

[2:08:17] Voice 6: So thank you.

[2:08:20] Voice 6: Trustee Harris, you're on mute. You're still on mute.

[2:08:28] Voice 17: Thank you. Thank you. In response to what you just mentioned about money possibly going towards

[2:08:34] Voice 17: addressing possible inaccuracies, we have no guarantees about that. And that's,

[2:08:39] Voice 17: you know i think a bit a bit difficult to to

[2:08:45] Voice 7: to have that said as such and again

[2:08:50] Voice 17: it's

[2:08:52] Voice 17: it's more than just a couple of words and until we have that ironed out 100 and we also have again

[2:09:00] Voice 17: we had an in-camera session and a motion made which is serious and until we can hear from what

[2:09:07] Voice 17: But this is related,

[2:09:09] Voice 7: so we have to find out,

[2:09:14] Voice 7: we have to wait until we hear the results

[2:09:16] Voice 17: in that motion.

[2:09:17] Voice 17: And trust council needs to discuss it.

[2:09:19] Voice 17: These things are related.

[2:09:20] Voice 17: I don't know how else to put it.

[2:09:23] Voice 17: I'm 100% in support of this

[2:09:26] Voice 17: and I guess I can't say anymore, thanks.

[2:09:30] Voice 8: All right, thank you very much.

[2:09:33] Voice 8: Okay, I don't see any other comments or discussion

[2:09:36] Voice 8: on this motion in front of us, the amendment.

[2:09:39] Voice 8: Oh, Trustee Borthwick, go ahead.

[2:09:42] Voice 6: You're on mute, dear. Take care.

[2:09:48] Voice 6: Yeah, I mean,

[2:09:49] Voice 15: at the risk of drawing this conversation out indefinitely, you know, we're

[2:09:57] Voice 15: effectively playing with sliders here. If that analogy makes sense, we've got, you know,

[2:10:03] Voice 15: a bunch of sliders that we can move one way or another to, you know, and this isn't really

[2:10:12] Voice 15: relates to the amendment i suppose i should should hold it for when we're back on the actual motion

[2:10:16] Voice 15: um just i don't know i i wonder if there's a way to provide less of an amount and spread that

[2:10:25] Voice 15: burden out further i also don't want to have this conversation ad nauseum but i yeah that's

[2:10:32] Voice 15: i i i really want i really want to honor what trustee harris is saying

[2:10:36] Voice 15: and i also absolutely hear trustee fast in terms of i don't i don't think that we should penalize

[2:10:43] Voice 15: this group who are otherwise doing work that is valuable and one way or the other whatever

[2:10:49] Voice 15: your personal feeling on what whether the inaccuracies exist or not or or to what extent

[2:10:55] Voice 15: extent they exist rather um you know that that is still a question that's ongoing and we

[2:11:02] Voice 15: you know it may be that it's not appropriate for us to to fund them to the full amount but

[2:11:07] Voice 15: maybe there's a lesser amount anyways i apologize this should be on the main motion so i'm gonna

[2:11:11] Voice 15: shut up no

[2:11:13] Voice 8: worries that that's the whole point of having of having this it's it's

[2:11:17] Voice 8: this important discussion trustee peterson yeah

[2:11:23] Voice 16: um again i also don't want to to drag this

[2:11:27] Voice 16: conversation out uh uh extensively um but a thought occurred to me that i just wanted to

[2:11:34] Voice 16: put out there and that uh that i might be um more supportive of than this motion and that is you

[2:11:45] Voice 16: know potentially um if if this motion uh does not pass that potentially there we could consider um

[2:11:56] Voice 16: funding for the group in question contingent on delivery of information, I am loath to just

[2:12:07] Voice 16: turn off the tap when it's, I don't feel that we, as has been mentioned, I don't feel that we

[2:12:17] Voice 16: really have the information in front of us to make that move either. So I'll leave it at that.

[2:12:26] Voice 16: because I don't want to drag this out.

[2:12:28] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:12:29] Voice 8: And I'm also going to try and be a little cognizant

[2:12:31] Voice 8: of time here as well.

[2:12:33] Voice 8: So I'm going to ask Trustee Harris to make final comments

[2:12:36] Voice 8: and then we're going to move this amendment forward.

[2:12:40] Voice 8: Trustee Harris.

[2:12:41] Voice 17: Thank you.

[2:12:42] Voice 17: In response

[2:12:43] Voice 6: to Trustee Peterson,

[2:12:53] Voice 17: the CDFCP and the words lifted from the website,

[2:12:58] Voice 17: how it appears like this could very be,

[2:13:00] Voice 17: this is what got us into the possible trouble that we're in now so for the thought of us

[2:13:06] Voice 17: offering them money to help alleviate think the stuff that got us in a hot water is it's just

[2:13:15] Voice 17: hard for me to swallow um and for that you know that's the reason i don't want to give them any

[2:13:20] Voice 17: money at this point i'm i'm i'm i can't say i'm positive but i'm pretty sure they're receiving

[2:13:26] Voice 17: funding elsewhere and again we have 40 hours from the trust conservancy they can help uh alleviate

[2:13:34] Voice 17: maybe we can allocate some of that time or recommend that some of their time is allocated

[2:13:38] Voice 17: into addressing the possible inaccuracies and information but again to give money to

[2:13:46] Voice 17: to help alleviate something that got us in trouble in the first place

[2:13:51] Voice 17: it's again hard for me to swallow i'll leave it at that thank you thank

[2:13:55] Voice 8: you um

[2:13:56] Voice 8: And so let's move the amendment on the floor.

[2:14:03] Voice 8: I'm going to call the question and say all those in favor of the amendment on the floor,

[2:14:09] Voice 6: please raise your hand.

[2:14:19] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[2:14:21] Voice 6: And if you can lower your hands, all those opposed, please raise your hand.

[2:14:30] Voice 6: Chair, I'm driving.

[2:14:32] Voice 6: Can you take mine as an opposed?

[2:14:35] Voice 6: Opposed.

[2:14:36] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:14:37] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:14:42] Voice 6: Okay, so we have then four opposed.

[2:14:47] Voice 6: This motion is defeated.

[2:14:50] Voice 6: This amendment is defeated.

[2:15:04] Voice 6: Can I just have a quick look back

[2:15:06] Voice 6: at the original agenda items?

[2:15:09] Voice 8: I'll come back to you, Trustee

[2:15:10] Voice 6: Peterson, just one second.

[2:15:15] Voice 6: Here, if I could jump in,

[2:15:17] Voice 6: that was an amendment to the main motion.

[2:15:19] Voice 9: So I think- It was an amendment, yes.

[2:15:20] Voice 6: Procedurally,

[2:15:21] Voice 9: you're gonna want to go back

[2:15:22] Voice 9: and perhaps now call for the question on the main motion,

[2:15:26] Voice 8: which is essentially the same thing at this point.

[2:15:28] Voice 8: I know, I just wanted to see where we were in our agenda

[2:15:31] Voice 8: and how much more we have to do

[2:15:33] Voice 8: and whether or not we needed to have a lunch break

[2:15:35] Voice 8: or if we should continue.

[2:15:36] Voice 8: This is the business of today.

[2:15:38] Voice 8: Perfect, okay, so then let's go back

[2:15:40] Voice 8: to the main motion on the floor

[2:15:41] Voice 8: and Trustee Peterson has a comment.

[2:15:47] Voice 16: Yeah, sorry, it's not germane to the motion.

[2:15:51] Voice 16: I just, I'll talk to Trustee Harris offline

[2:15:54] Voice 16: and explain what I was trying to say.

[2:15:59] Voice 8: Sounds good.

[2:15:59] Voice 8: Is everyone okay if we continue on with this discussion

[2:16:02] Voice 8: or do we need to have a break,

[2:16:06] Voice 8: either just a quick coffee break or a lunch break?

[2:16:09] Voice 8: Let me know,

[2:16:10] Voice 8: because we are scheduled to go for a little while longer.

[2:16:13] Voice 8: We do have the time available to us.

[2:16:18] Voice 6: Let me know how you feel.

[2:16:20] Voice 6: Shall we continue?

[2:16:22] Voice 6: I'm seeing thumbs up.

[2:16:24] Voice 6: Okay, then we'll continue.

[2:16:25] Voice 6: If we can get the main motion back on the screen, please,

[2:16:28] Voice 6: that'd be wonderful.

[2:16:41] Voice 6: There we go.

[2:16:44] Voice 8: So as part of the amendment conversation, there had been a few other ideas floated about.

[2:16:50] Voice 8: So I'm going to ask, is there any further discussion on the main motion on this amended motion that

[2:16:58] Voice 6: was put forward?

[2:17:05] Voice 6: I'm not seeing anybody raising their hands.

[2:17:11] Voice 8: OK, then I'm going to call the question on the amended motion on the floor.

[2:17:16] Voice 8: If I can have this read out one more time, and I believe it was Trustee Fast that made the amendment, if I can get you to...

[2:17:29] Voice 8: It was Tim Peterson.

[2:17:32] Voice 8: Tim Peterson. Thank you so much for clarifying.

[2:17:35] Voice 8: If I can get you to read the motion as amended.

[2:17:39] Voice 16: I move that the Trust Programs Committee allocate for fiscal year 2023-2024 $1,000 to support the coordination of the Rural Island Economic Partnership,

[2:17:50] Voice 16: $2,600 to support the coordination of the Bains Sound-Lambert Channel Ecosystem Forum.

[2:17:56] Voice 16: $2,600 to support the coordination of the Coastal Douglas Fir Conservation Partnership.

[2:18:02] Voice 16: $3,200 to support the coordination of the Atkatsim Howe Sound Community Forum.

[2:18:09] Voice 16: And $2,600 to support the coordination of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum.

[2:18:16] Voice 8: Thank you so much.

[2:18:18] Voice 8: so um if there is no further discussion i am going to call the question on the floor

[2:18:26] Voice 6: and ask all those in favor to please raise your hand through the chair in favor trustee allen

[2:18:40] Voice 6: thank you so much okay um if you can lower your hands all those opposed so can i ask staff what

[2:19:06] Voice 6: what the count is. It appears to

[2:19:12] Voice 9: be three to three. Robert, I'd get you to confirm that in

[2:19:14] Voice 9: case I'm not seeing someone on screen.

[2:19:17] Voice 18: I also counted three to three, Chair,

[2:19:20] Voice 18: but I'm not sure. Are we missing one person? You get my vote, Chair.

[2:19:28] Voice 18: You're right. It is three to three. So that, in effect, is not a majority and that, in effect,

[2:19:36] Voice 18: defeated okay

[2:19:38] Voice 6: so we're going to have to come up with a different amendment then trustee peterson

[2:19:53] Voice 16: okay since the motion has been defeated uh what i was going to to uh suggest earlier as as

[2:20:01] Voice 16: a potential route uh for the committee to consider is that we could um we could add to this motion

[2:20:15] Voice 16: that was just defeated some sort of a delay or contingency so that we're

[2:20:26] Voice 16: putting on hold support for the douglas for conservation partnership but not outright

[2:20:34] Voice 16: denying it and then we could decide think about giving some time for trustee harris and i assume

[2:20:43] Voice 16: other members of committees, concerns about those,

[2:20:48] Voice 16: the information that could be addressed

[2:20:52] Voice 16: and at the satisfaction of the committee,

[2:20:55] Voice 16: then we could release the funding.

[2:20:56] Voice 16: That was the suggestion I was going to make earlier,

[2:20:59] Voice 16: but I didn't want to cloud the previous issue.

[2:21:02] Voice 16: So just putting that out there as a possible way forward.

[2:21:08] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[2:21:09] Voice 8: Trustee Harris.

[2:21:12] Voice 7: I

[2:21:13] Voice 17: think that's a great idea.

[2:21:14] Voice 17: and as far as the timeline as to when um it would be withheld until would be until we hear the and

[2:21:25] Voice 17: get a definitive um sort of examination of the results of trustee bernardo's end camera motion

[2:21:34] Voice 17: um from the last trust council okay

[2:21:41] Voice 8: so if uh if one of you would like to put that forward in

[2:21:46] Voice 8: as an amendment then we can get something on the screen that we can formally look at and discuss

[2:21:56] Voice 17: i'd be happy to do that if i could see it on the screen if or i'd be happy if trustee peterson

[2:22:01] Voice 17: would like to do that

[2:22:02] Voice 6: i'm open this is a fresh motion not an amendment am i right it'll be a

[2:22:13] Voice 8: it'll be it'll be it'll be a fresh motion yes yeah

[2:22:17] Voice 15: yeah because the previous motion was defeated so

[2:22:20] Voice 15: yeah good uh

[2:22:21] Voice 6: sorry i could be wrong uh ex-physio luckham oh you're muted there we go sorry i'm

[2:22:34] Voice 6: just

[2:22:35] Trustee Luckham: a little concerned um and would like to seek some clarity through the chair uh with regards to

[2:22:41] Trustee Luckham: director freder uh to ask director freder because we keep referring to an in-camera

[2:22:48] Trustee Luckham: piece of work and i'm i don't think we should be including anything associated with that in a

[2:22:53] Trustee Luckham: motion um because it makes us vulnerable to release that information to the public uh prior

[2:23:01] Trustee Luckham: to us making that decision and so just if there's a motion coming i think it might be better to not

[2:23:08] Trustee Luckham: refer to anything in camera but i'll ask director freighter i

[2:23:12] Voice 9: can confirm that it's best in all

[2:23:14] Voice 9: cases to not refer to in-crime discussions at all even the fact that they were had so i'll just

[2:23:19] Voice 9: remind the committee of that um i think as you consider an amendment to this motion what

[2:23:23] Voice 9: particularly can the partnership offer to you that would give you certainty about the work that

[2:23:29] Voice 9: they're doing and the committee meetings that they're holding and so on um that's i guess what

[2:23:34] Voice 9: you would need to look for what it is in their materials that are causing you some uncertainty

[2:23:39] Voice 9: that you could then reflect on um i guess would be but you would need something if you're going to

[2:23:43] Voice 9: make a contingency it would have to be specific such that staff could then clearly interpret that

[2:23:48] Voice 9: that that threshold has been met.

[2:23:50] Voice 9: At this time, I don't think we have that certainty.

[2:23:52] Voice 9: I would expect, as I say,

[2:23:54] Voice 9: we're looking at changes to different products,

[2:23:57] Voice 9: mostly are products of the trust,

[2:24:00] Voice 9: that there's been concern around that language.

[2:24:03] Voice 9: So if there's something specific to the partnerships work,

[2:24:06] Voice 9: I think you would want to be clear

[2:24:07] Voice 9: that you could define what the concern is

[2:24:09] Voice 9: and then allow them an opportunity to rectify it.

[2:24:11] Voice 9: So staff could then assess,

[2:24:13] Voice 9: or the committee itself could assess

[2:24:15] Voice 6: that that threshold has been met.

[2:24:20] Voice 6: okay does that answer your question excuse your luck sure

[2:24:25] Trustee Luckham: well there was some additional

[2:24:26] Trustee Luckham: information but yeah essentially it's just a caution yeah thank you thank the director thank

[2:24:33] Voice 8: you um trustee harris so

[2:24:37] Voice 17: a timeline then i guess i would you know i'd love to hear um trustee

[2:24:41] Voice 17: peterson's thought on this if we want to keep the um definition or the reasoning as to um

[2:24:50] Voice 17: why it's being withheld in the motion um funding being withheld that is we just need to put a time

[2:24:59] Voice 17: on it could we say until the um programming committee's um first meeting of 2024 would that

[2:25:08] Voice 17: give us sufficient time for

[2:25:10] Voice 6: to have everything addressed ex officio luckin you have your hand

[2:25:22] Voice 6: up again oh

[2:25:23] Trustee Luckham: sorry no i just didn't take it down no i've spoken up thank

[2:25:27] Voice 6: you uh trustee bothwick

[2:25:29] Voice 6: uh

[2:25:32] Voice 15: well i think trustee because you were asking about timeline stuff so that possibly is more

[2:25:37] Voice 15: valuable to have that answer that question answered first um i just want to raise that i'm

[2:25:43] Voice 15: uh cognizant of not wanting to um allow our concerns about one organization to impact

[2:25:53] Voice 15: impact the work of others, because, you know, the point of having this meeting early in the year is

[2:25:58] Voice 15: to make sure that they get their funding in a timely manner, and they can plan for that.

[2:26:03] Voice 15: I just, I'd love to hear from Director Frazier if she thinks that that's a legitimate concern.

[2:26:10] Voice 15: If delaying this, you know, I want to make sure that whatever timeline we delay it by

[2:26:15] Voice 15: does not wind up, you know, seriously impacting the work of other groups. That's, I guess,

[2:26:21] Voice 6: my point really so through the chair i mean all i can say is that you've scheduled this

[2:26:29] Voice 9: the committee is through policy schedules an early meeting early in the fiscal year

[2:26:33] Voice 9: such that organizations can have some certainty around their funding levels that said your their

[2:26:38] Voice 9: policy does say um that you don't have to make decisions today or you could you know you could

[2:26:43] Voice 9: not allocate all your money and then revisit later in the year if there's something you want to do

[2:26:47] Voice 9: there um yeah so it says if there is if staff resources or funding remain unallocated after

[2:26:53] Voice 9: the meeting tpc can consider additional opportunities at future meetings so that

[2:26:57] Voice 9: is allowed for under the policy okay trustee borswick yeah

[2:27:03] Voice 15: well um in that case i mean i might

[2:27:09] Voice 15: support uh the motion that we had there didn't obviously we'd have to make it a new but

[2:27:15] Voice 15: with those numbers but hold off on making confirmations for the cdfp uh and uh allow for

[2:27:24] Voice 15: I don't know if we can allow to reallocate that money to the other groups as we deem fit at a later point, if we determine that the CDFP are not someone we want to support in that way.

[2:27:37] Voice 15: I'd like to make sure that those other groups feel supported and that we're taking their concerns

[2:27:43] Voice 10: seriously.

[2:27:45] Voice 15: Yeah, that's

[2:27:49] Voice 6: good. Okay, so does

[2:27:53] Voice 8: anyone want to attempt to make a new motion that we can put on the floor and discuss

[2:28:01] Voice 6: trustee Peterson.

[2:28:07] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair. So, bear with me for a moment as I find the appropriate age.

[2:28:16] Voice 16: If I can make this motion, it will be substantially for Mr. Barlow, it'll be substantially the

[2:28:25] Voice 16: same as the motion that was defeated in terms of the numbers.

[2:28:32] Voice 16: Pardon me, I'm just scrolling here.

[2:28:35] Voice 16: here, so I move that Trust Programs Committee fund the Rural Island Economic Partnership

[2:28:46] Voice 16: to the amount of $1,000, the Bains Sound Lambert Channel Ecosystem Forum to $2,600, the Alcatsum

[2:28:57] Voice 16: House Sound Community Forum and Ocean Watch Committee to the amount of $3,200, and the

[2:29:04] Voice 16: the Southern Gulf Islands Forum, the amount of $2,600, and if I made any mistakes there,

[2:29:10] Voice 16: Robert, please bear with me, the numbers should have been 26, 32, and 1,000.

[2:29:21] Voice 16: And I was going to add, and that the application from the Coastal Douglas Burr Conservation

[2:29:33] Voice 16: conservation partnership be reconsidered at a later date and

[2:29:42] Voice 6: I hope that addresses where we're

[2:29:44] Voice 6: at and I saw somebody put their

[2:29:53] Voice 8: fingers up but they fell off my screen so whoever it was oh

[2:29:56] Voice 8: trustee Borthwick I believe that you've seconded it you've said

[2:30:00] Voice 6: did the motion perfect okay do we have any um any comments on the new motion on the floor

[2:30:46] Voice 6: i'm not seeing anybody's hand

[2:30:47] Voice 8: going up so if i don't see anybody raise their hand for a question

[2:30:51] Voice 8: or comment on the floor on the new motion trustee peterson yeah

[2:30:59] Voice 16: i just quickly speak to the motion

[2:31:01] Voice 16: that I think this addresses Trustee Borthwick's concerns

[2:31:06] Voice 16: and it gives the committee opportunity

[2:31:09] Voice 16: to also addresses my concerns of not saying no at this point

[2:31:15] Voice 16: and I hope addresses Trustee Harris's concerns as well.

[2:31:20] Voice 16: So this is, I'm hoping a compromise

[2:31:24] Voice 16: that we can live with for the moment.

[2:31:27] Voice 8: Perfect, thank you.

[2:31:28] Voice 8: Trustee Harris.

[2:31:31] Voice 17: Yes, just to answer Trustee Peterson's comment there. 100%, this addresses the concerns and

[2:31:39] Voice 17: I thank you very much for that.

[2:31:42] Voice 8: Awesome. So if there are no additional comments, I'm going to move the question on the floor.

[2:31:52] Voice 6: All those in favor, please raise your hand. Thank you very much. If I can get us to lower

[2:32:06] Voice 6: our

[2:32:06] Voice 8: hands. I noticed that Trustee Allen had stated that he is no longer in the meeting,

[2:32:14] Voice 8: so I just wanted to clarify that. All those opposed,

[2:32:18] Voice 6: please raise your hand.

[2:32:23] Voice 6: Not seeing any opposed, this motion carries. Thank you very much for that conversation. That's

[2:32:35] Voice 6: a good conversation. I really appreciate everybody's

[2:32:38] Voice 8: input there. If we can bring up the

[2:32:42] Voice 8: be perfect thank you so much um so there was no new business brought forward is that correct

[2:32:52] Voice 6: and the work program if we can go down to the work program that would be great

[2:32:59] Voice 6: i can speak to this chair it simply provided free

[2:33:05] Voice 9: information this was the work program received by

[2:33:08] Voice 9: trust council that's guiding um staff work into the next quarter we'll bring you a new one at

[2:33:13] Voice 9: your next meeting to provide to Trust Council for June. Thank you so

[2:33:16] Voice 6: much. Are there any comments

[2:33:19] Voice 6: or questions on the work program? Perfect, not seeing any. Okay, so let's move on to the next

[2:33:28] Voice 6: item on our agenda then, which is that our next meeting is scheduled for May 15th from

[2:33:44] Voice 8: 10 to 3.

[2:33:47] Voice 8: Is there, and I believe that that's already in our calendar, so we're all good there.

[2:33:52] Voice 8: there we don't have anything to have a closed meeting about there are no discussions

[2:33:58] Voice 8: so i'm just going to quickly ask does anybody have any comments or discussion items before

[2:34:04] Voice 8: we adjourn the meeting is there anything that they'd like to raise or say not seeing any hands

[2:34:11] Voice 8: i'm going to adjourn this meeting and thank everyone for their discussion and comments

[2:34:16] Voice 8: and for all of the delegates that came forward to discuss their programs that was great hearing

[2:34:24] Voice 8: from you all. And we will see you again in May. Thank you very much. Bye now. Bye.

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Trust Programs Committee 
Minutes of a Regular Meeting 
 
 
Date: 
Location: 
April 3, 2023 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present:  Kristina Evans, Chair/South Pender Island Trustee 
 Alex Allen, Vice-Chair/Hornby Island Trustee 
Sam Borthwick, Denman Island Trustee 
Sue Ellen Fast, Bowen Island Municipal Trustee 
Jamie Harris, Salt Spring Island Trustee 
Tim Peterson, Lasqueti Island Trustee (EC Representative) 
    Peter Luckham, Islands Trust Council Chair (Ex Officio)    
 
Staff Present: Clare Frater, Director, Trust Area Services 
    Gillian Nicol, Program Coordinator 
Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk/Recorder 
 
Others Present: Three members of the public were present 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
Chair Evans called the meeting to order at 10:00 a.m. and acknowledged that participants of the 
meeting were on the traditional and treaty territories of many Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. AGENDA 
 
2.1 Review of Agenda 
 
No late item nor changes to the agenda were presented for consideration. 
 
2.2 Approval of Agenda 
 
By general consent the agenda was approved. 
 
3. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD 
 
No member of the public were present during this time. 
 
4. DELEGATIONS 
 
By general consent the order of delegations was altered as the representative 
of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum was not present. 
 
4.2 Rural Islands Economic Partnership - Francine Carlin, President and Board Chair  

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Francine Carlin spoke and answered questions. 
 
4.1 Southern Gulf Islands Forum - Adam Olsen, MLA  
 
Adam Olsen, MLA, spoke and answered questions. 
 
4.3 Coastal Douglas-fir and Associated Ecosystems Conservation Partnership (CDFCP) - 
Lyndsey Smith, Program Coordinator  
 
Lyndsey Smith spoke and answered questions. 
 
Trustee Harris joined the meeting at 10:25 a.m. 
 
4.4 Bayne Sound Lambert Channel Ecosystem Forum – Carl Butterworth  
 
Carl Butterworth made a presentation and answered questions. 
 
4.5 Howe Sound Community Forum - Dan Rogers  
 
Dan Rogers spoke and answered questions. 
 
5. CORRESPONDENCE 
 
None. 
 
6. ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATION 
 
6.1 Draft Minutes of Previous Meeting 
 
6.1.1 Trust Programs Committee (TPC) Minutes of February 6, 2023 
 
 By general consent the minutes were approved. 
 
6.2 Resolutions Without Meeting 
 
None. 
 
6.3 Follow Up Action List 
 
Director Frater spoke to the FUAL items that were in progress. 
 
By general consent the Committee requested staff to provide venue options 
for an in-person meeting at the November 6, 2023 meeting. 
 
7. BUSINESS - WORK PROGRAM ITEMS 
 

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7.1 Secretariat Services to Coordination Groups in the Trust Area – Request for Decision 
(RFD) 
 
Director Frater presented the RFD that provides background information in regards to 
the Secretariat Services program and the requests for secretariat support from 
coordination groups in the Islands Trust Area. Committee discussion included: 
 both Trust Council and the Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC) Board are members of 
the CDFCP and, as requested by the ITC Board, the Ecosystems Protection Specialist 
is a member of the steering committee who provides approximately thirty to forty 
hours per year in that role 
 whether there are arguable statements regarding the Coastal Douglas-fir Ecosystem 
in Islands Trust and CDFCP materials  
 the value and impact of the Secretariat Services program 
 Lyndsey Smith of CDFCP clarified that there are First Nations engaged with the 
CDFCP. 
 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee allocate for fiscal year 2023/24: 
 $1,000 to support the coordination of the Rural Island Economic 
Partnership, 
 $2,500 to support the coordination of the Baynes Sound Lambert Channel 
Ecosystem Forum, 
 $2,500 to support the coordination of the Coastal Douglas-fir Conservation 
Partnership, 
 $3,500 to support the coordination of the Átl'ka7tsem/Howe Sound 
Community Forum, and 
 $2,500 to support the coordination of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum 
 
TPC-2023-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee amend the [above] motion by changing the 
three $2500 amounts to $2600 and the $3500 amount to $3200. 
 
Trustee Harris requested to be on the record as “not being in support of giving any 
funding to the Coastal Douglas-fir Conservation Partnership”. 
 
The question on the amending motion was then called. 
CARRIED 
 
TPC-2023-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee amend the [above] motion as follows: 
 $1,120 to support the coordination of the Rural Island Economic 
Partnership, 

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 $3,000 to support the coordination of the Baynes Sound Lambert Channel 
Ecosystem Forum, 
 $4,000 to support the coordination of the Átl'ka7tsem/Howe Sound 
Community Forum, and 
 $3,000 to support the coordination of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum. 
DEFEATED 
 
The Chair called the question on the main motion as amended. 
DEFEATED 
 
Trustee Allen left the meeting at 12:25 p.m. 
 
TPC-2023-017 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee allocate for fiscal year 2023/24: 
 $1,000 to support the coordination of the Rural Island Economic 
Partnership, 
 $2,600 to support the coordination of the Baynes Sound Lambert Channel 
Ecosystem Forum, 
 $3,200 to support the coordination of the Átl'ka7tsem/Howe Sound 
Community Forum,  
 $2,600 to support the coordination of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum 
 
and that the application from the Coastal Douglas-fir Conservation Partnership 
be reconsidered at a later date. 
CARRIED 
 
8. BUSINESS – NEW 
  
 None. 
 
9. WORK PROGRAM 
  
Director Frater presented the current Work Program (Active Projects and Futures Projects) for 
information. 
 
10. NEXT MEETING 
 
The next scheduled meeting is Monday, May 15, from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.   
 
11. CLOSED MEETING 
 
 The Committee did not close the meeting. 
 
12. RISE AND REPORT 
 

ADOPTED 
Trust Programs Committee  
Minutes of a Regular Meeting ADOPTED 
April 3, 2023 Page 5 of 5 
 
As the Committee did not close the meeting, there was no need for the Committee to discuss 
this option. 
 
13. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 12:35 p.m. 
 
 
 
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Kristina Evans, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk/Recorder