Islands Trust Regional Planning Committee regular meeting, April 18, 2023

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[0:00:58] Voice 6: see you later good morning everybody hello welcome to the fetus island local trust committee meeting

[0:01:07] Voice 6: our first in-person meeting of 2023 very pleased to be here with you all on laxon and

[0:01:15] Voice 6: cadillac territory we are meeting today on the unseated ancestral and it's just a joy to be

[0:01:24] Voice 6: able to travel to the different nations territories. We're thankful to the Laioxin and Penelope tribes

[0:01:30] Voice 6: for the opportunity to live and work here and play in their territory and we hope to conduct our work

[0:01:36] Voice 6: in a good way today and every day. So I'm Toby Elliott, elected on Gabriola Island and chair of

[0:01:44] Voice 6: Thetis Island, South Pender, Maine and Mesquitee. That's it. It's always a bit of a list. Span the

[0:01:54] Voice 6: the entire Islands Trust area.

[0:01:56] Voice 6: And I'm joined today by your Fetus Island trustees.

[0:01:59] Voice 6: We've got Peter Luckham and Trustee Ken Hunter.

[0:02:02] Voice 6: Thank you so much.

[0:02:03] Voice 6: Together we make up the Fetus Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:06] Voice 6: We are also joined by planner Marlis Cargar.

[0:02:09] Voice 6: Thanks for coming.

[0:02:11] Voice 6: And this meeting is being live streamed and recorded

[0:02:14] Voice 6: for those who are unable to attend today.

[0:02:16] Voice 6: So the recording will be available

[0:02:18] Voice 6: on the Islands Trust website within the next few days.

[0:02:21] Voice 6: um our minute taker is Catherine Bolt hello Catherine can you hear us okay everything good

[0:02:30] Voice 6: on your end hello yes I

[0:02:32] Voice 6: can thank you you do such a great job and we're grateful um

[0:02:38] Voice 6: and so yeah I just want to add as as always as we always do that this is a place of employment

[0:02:43] Voice 6: and the standards of decorum and respect and mutual regard apply here as in any other

[0:02:51] Voice 6: their workspace so we ask that you treat one another and staff with with respect speak to

[0:02:58] Voice 6: issues not to personalities and please speak to business that the local trust is what they're

[0:03:04] Voice 6: taking it's something we could do something about so would you like to introduce and sort of say

[0:03:14] Voice 6: greetings from wherever you're from today well there'll

[0:03:17] Voice 4: certainly be greetings to the members

[0:03:18] Voice 4: of our audience here today in the room and those members of the public that are joining us

[0:03:23] Voice 4: electronically peter lockham um president of uh cbz for 35 some years anyway um and uh it's a

[0:03:33] Voice 4: pleasure to be on penelope atlantic territory um i think it's uh always important to recognize the

[0:03:39] Voice 4: history of this place and uh

[0:03:40] Voice 6: produce to be able to care interesting hunter ken hunter lived here

[0:03:48] Voice 6: now for a little over 72 years that's going to put a few changes along the way we're going to

[0:03:57] Voice 6: see some more i'm sure um i'm very happy to meet trustee to serve the people and we believe

[0:04:04] Voice 6: excellence i sort of skipped over the approval of the agenda is there any additions or changes

[0:04:15] Voice 6: just to be made i

[0:04:16] Voice 4: would like to um um five pieces of correspondence today i've provided paper copies

[0:04:25] Voice 4: with you i can also provide electronic copies and i'll just uh clearly uh describe them so um

[0:04:32] Voice 4: and not in any specific order by the way but a letter from ron and kelly bannister regarding uh

[0:04:42] Voice 4: I think everybody knows there was a fire there

[0:04:44] Voice 4: on Sunday morning, and so that certainly stimulated a lot of interest.

[0:04:48] Voice 4: There's a letter from Ron Kelly Bannister. I also have a letter

[0:04:52] Voice 4: from Peter and Ann Barr, who are here today in person.

[0:04:55] Voice 4: They live at 189 Covey Point Road, and again,

[0:04:59] Voice 4: in the respectively tagged property.

[0:05:04] Voice 4: And then the third one here is from Tracy and Mark

[0:05:08] Voice 4: Mark Higgins, and again, with respect to the incident at Token Plank Road, ongoing.

[0:05:17] Voice 4: Ron and Eleanor Vandergag, that's V-A-N-D-R-G-A-A-G, also with respect to Drop 38.

[0:05:28] Voice 4: And the final piece, I know that there are others out in the community.

[0:05:33] Voice 4: They haven't reached me at this point, but I know that we're anticipating more communication.

[0:05:37] Voice 4: But the final one that I have here today is from Pat English, also regarding law.

[0:05:45] Voice 6: So we'll add those four or five pieces of correspondence to 10 and discuss it then?

[0:05:53] Voice 4: Sure.

[0:05:55] Voice 4: That's fine.

[0:05:56] Voice 4: Well, actually, so we can just discuss how you'd like to do that.

[0:05:59] Voice 4: I would like to ask, because we have members of the public here that are here for the public comment periods.

[0:06:04] Voice 4: And I know that this topic is the bylaw enforcement

[0:06:07] Voice 4: on that lot.

[0:06:10] Voice 4: And we have Warren Dinklage,

[0:06:11] Voice 4: our manager of bylaw enforcement with us today.

[0:06:14] Voice 4: I would like to suggest that perhaps,

[0:06:16] Voice 4: because it's not on the agenda already,

[0:06:18] Voice 6: and I want to

[0:06:18] Voice 4: thank Warren for coming today.

[0:06:19] Voice 4: I asked him to come yesterday in light of the fire.

[0:06:26] Voice 4: And so if possible, I would like to suggest we add him

[0:06:29] Voice 4: in the report section at 3.4.

[0:06:32] Voice 4: He can provide us an update.

[0:06:35] Voice 6: great thank you thank you steve hookup always helpful to have a very experienced chair to

[0:06:40] Voice 6: help me order the agenda yeah

[0:06:42] Voice 4: i did have something

[0:06:43] Voice 6: to say during with the study

[0:06:45] Voice 6: yeah yeah when we

[0:06:50] Voice 6: get to that item for sure okay so there's no other additions or changes

[0:06:55] Voice 6: Changes will accept the agenda by general consent.

[0:07:02] Voice 6: As amended.

[0:07:03] Voice 6: As amended.

[0:07:05] Voice 6: So, Trustee reports, is there anything you'd like to share from your perspective?

[0:07:10] Voice 6: It's been a while since we last met.

[0:07:12] Voice 6: Well, time

[0:07:13] Voice 4: applies, that's for sure.

[0:07:15] Voice 4: I just want to bring up my calendar to make sure I cover everything off.

[0:07:18] Voice 4: off um but i think i don't want to steal your wind here but um we um did uh have trust council

[0:07:26] Voice 4: back at the beginning of march where we adopted a budget um and i gotta tell you um a really

[0:07:32] Voice 4: in-depth vigorous uh debate and discussion about trying to keep um the uh tax is to a minimum

[0:07:41] Voice 4: increase um and i think it's 1.4 percent there's some other ancillary stuff that maybe pushes it

[0:07:47] Voice 4: up to two percent um which is pretty low compared to other um local governments um but we are

[0:07:55] Voice 4: recognizing these are difficult times post-pandemic uh inflation out of control um and these sorts of

[0:08:02] Voice 4: things and so uh the financial planning committee was able to bring that down and that budget was

[0:08:09] Voice 4: approved by council um um i've other than activities on a lot uh 88 recently um it's

[0:08:18] Voice 4: relatively quiet on cetus um but elsewhere of course i just i do sit on uh trust executive

[0:08:25] Voice 4: committee financial planning committee regional planning committee and trust area services and

[0:08:30] Voice 4: there's a lot of work going into housing initiatives um and policy statement initiatives

[0:08:37] Voice 4: introduced and uh Trustee Elliott and I actually uh last weekend we're at the Association of

[0:08:43] Voice 4: Angolan Coastal Communities which is kind of like our family and local governments we all

[0:08:48] Voice 4: have common interests in the waterfront for access and all that kind of stuff and reconciliation

[0:08:54] Voice 4: housing um were a couple of the big topics but it's a terrific opportunity to meet with

[0:09:00] Voice 4: our colleagues and find out what else is going on that's it for my report thank

[0:09:05] Voice 6: you I've been

[0:09:06] Voice 6: pretty quiet at my end i did go to a very advisory committee meeting and uh bc paris is promising

[0:09:13] Voice 6: that they're doing everything they can to increase staff levels so that we don't have

[0:09:19] Voice 6: so many missed runs and they've also the engineers have been on a day-to-day seven on seven off for

[0:09:26] Voice 6: years and now the masters are also on that schedule so that they're trying to make it

[0:09:33] possible for more people to be enticed here they're also paying for accommodation for the

[0:09:39] masters out of their own pocket

[0:09:41] Voice 6: so that's the union's having a little bit of trouble with that

[0:09:45] Voice 6: but we'll see how that plays out and uh we've met pretty well except for uh obviously the bylaw

[0:09:52] Voice 6: enforcement stuff which we'll get into today thank you trustees um for myself it's been a very busy

[0:10:02] Voice 6: spring um all of a sudden it was time to meet everybody in the region and learn about the

[0:10:08] Voice 6: different challenges facing um all of our communities so as you mentioned the

[0:10:14] Voice 6: taxation and cost of living is is high on my mind um i've been working

[0:10:20] Voice 6: thoroughly on the housing front for my own community and for years and was really pleased

[0:10:27] Voice 6: to attend the UBCM housing summit at the very beginning of the month and this followed the

[0:10:34] Voice 6: province's announcement of the homes for people plan it's not yet legislation and we're not sure

[0:10:43] Voice 6: at this point how it's going to affect the illness trust in terms of legislation but the aim is to

[0:10:50] Voice 6: to invest and the provincial government to get back into supporting social and affordable housing.

[0:10:58] Voice 6: And so there's a lot of talk about, you know, how the province's beds got out of it in the 90s.

[0:11:03] Voice 6: Things were able to continue on for a little while, but with the increased sort of investment and speculation,

[0:11:11] Voice 6: there's been so much pressure that municipalities just are not coping with the increase in population.

[0:11:18] Voice 6: And this isn't going to stop. We need to do proactive planning so that we can continue to protect the environment and develop housing that meets the needs of the diversity of the community that lives in the Gulf Islands.

[0:11:31] Voice 6: So I'm looking at it with that lens. I'm on the Housing Working Group Regional Planning Committee.

[0:11:37] Voice 6: I'm very pleased that a new white paper, research coming out of Salt Spring Solutions, was released on Monday.

[0:11:45] Voice 6: it's already on the deputy minister's desk and it's a public document I believe it's called

[0:11:49] Voice 6: homes for islanders and really goes into the systemic challenges that we've been encountering

[0:11:56] Voice 6: with how to do housing in this environment specifically the island's trust and so that's a

[0:12:04] Voice 6: really wonderful thing to to come at it from a research point of view and a public policy point

[0:12:12] Voice 6: one of you and then what we're doing in regional planning committee is doing sort of a cohesive

[0:12:17] Voice 6: regional plan and what do we need to tackle in terms of OCP amendments and LEP amendments and

[0:12:25] Voice 6: how can we advocate for better housing solutions for communities more broadly so it's kind of

[0:12:31] Voice 6: getting organized and it's kind of becoming a collective effort rather than sporadically each

[0:12:37] Voice 6: LTC trying to deal with things on their own. So that's been my focus. AVICC was a wonderful

[0:12:44] Voice 6: conference, met a lot of great people. And it's, yeah, it is really good to see what everyone else

[0:12:53] Voice 6: is dealing with. And the talk on reconciliation Sunday morning was brilliant, absolutely needed,

[0:12:59] Voice 6: and about how local governments can really partner and be working together with First

[0:13:06] Voice 6: This is not just provincial and Crown relationship, but we were doing our part as well.

[0:13:12] Voice 6: So that's I could talk a lot, but there's a lot going on.

[0:13:17] Voice 6: Electoral Area Director Jesse may have wanted to be online.

[0:13:25] Voice 6: Just wanted to check my notes for report, but I don't see anybody in the waiting room.

[0:13:30] Voice 4: Yeah, I did see Jesse at AVACC, and he certainly expresses his regrets of not being able to

[0:13:38] Voice 4: attend in person, but as many of us are, he's a working person and it's difficult to take

[0:13:44] Voice 4: the time out to come to

[0:13:46] Voice 4: another government meeting, he certainly attends his own council

[0:13:51] Voice 4: meetings, but he's very much interested in what's going on in Thetis, and he and I are

[0:13:56] Voice 4: building a rapport actually and um and um that um feel to be engaged and involved in the community

[0:14:05] Voice 4: doc as a as a priority um from our interest in the cbid interest and of course there's also the

[0:14:11] Voice 4: internet activity which the cbid seems to have taken over and um so that's uh it'll be a while

[0:14:19] Voice 4: before it gets here but it's we're uh i've been promised by ministers and senior staff at every

[0:14:24] Voice 4: level of government that it's coming yes

[0:14:27] Voice 6: okay um so i just just a question coming in new to

[0:14:33] Voice 6: your community you've got a standing resolution um but electoral area director reports that the

[0:14:41] Voice 6: theta side and local trust committee request staff to circulate future agenda meeting agendas to the

[0:14:47] Voice 6: uh electoral area director provide an invitation to attend the local trust committee meetings or

[0:14:52] Voice 6: provide written reports and that the room reports so is any of this inter agency

[0:15:00] Voice 6: do we have a protocol agreement with the we

[0:15:03] Voice 4: area trying to recall now whether we have an old one or

[0:15:08] Voice 4: we don't have one at all i do believe we don't have one and we have work attempted to establish

[0:15:16] Voice 4: that um the previous cbrd board was um had declined okay so that way okay um and so certainly

[0:15:28] Voice 4: with jesse's interest we might revisit that so

[0:15:31] Voice 6: could we maybe put that on as an action item to

[0:15:35] Voice 6: follow up with the electoral area and see if there's because it's in our standing resolutions

[0:15:40] Voice 6: I just don't know if it's been followed up and maybe a new term is a time to reestablish

[0:15:47] Voice 6: that working relationship.

[0:15:52] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:15:53] Voice 7: I haven't actually thought that through.

[0:15:54] Voice 4: I think we're

[0:15:55] Voice 4: developing that relationship with him and certainly there's opportunity

[0:15:58] Voice 4: to do that.

[0:15:59] Voice 4: We were rebuffed before.

[0:16:00] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:16:01] Voice 6: And

[0:16:02] Voice 4: I think, and I'll send it out to the chair of staff, that would strike me that

[0:16:08] Voice 4: we're developing another minor products i believe so yeah and i think that it is entirely possible

[0:16:16] Voice 4: that it's already ongoing i'm

[0:16:20] Voice 3: just having a look online and i don't see it listed as an active

[0:16:23] Voice 4: so

[0:16:24] Voice 3: i don't know

[0:16:26] Voice 4: i'm not making a trip party right now because there are other

[0:16:30] Voice 4: okay

[0:16:31] Voice 6: i'm just saying suggesting that there's an well provide an invitation to attend the local

[0:16:37] Voice 6: trust committee meetings i guess that's just that's just saying okay all right

[0:16:41] Voice 6: no problem um so we wanted to add uh another report from um by law enforcement manager

[0:16:54] Voice 6: warren dingman so if we can move to four oh 3.4 um is there an update that you can provide us on

[0:17:04] Voice 6: on this file.

[0:17:05] Voice 6: Good morning, Chair, Committee.

[0:17:09] Voice 6: So as I was saying,

[0:17:11] Voice 6: I was on the chair

[0:17:13] Voice 6: of the committee on Sunday.

[0:17:15] Voice 6: Yes, we can attend

[0:17:18] Voice 6: and provide an update

[0:17:20] Voice 6: for the committee.

[0:17:22] Voice 6: So our action started on this

[0:17:24] Voice 6: four years ago.

[0:17:27] Voice 6: We didn't get compliance.

[0:17:28] Voice 6: We proceeded to court.

[0:17:29] Voice 6: We got a court order in November,

[0:17:32] the first one in November.

[0:17:34] But 2021, we

[0:17:36] Voice 6: didn't gain compliance.

[0:17:38] Voice 6: There was another order in August 12, 2022.

[0:17:42] Voice 6: And after that, we proceeded to try and initiate contempt proceedings against Mr. Pegg.

[0:17:49] Voice 6: Because the uses were not being seized, the law was not being cleaned up.

[0:17:55] Voice 6: During that process, it was discovered that the judge assigned a vigil order.

[0:18:03] Voice 6: Excuse me, didn't have jurisdiction.

[0:18:06] Voice 6: So when our legal counsel had to file for a new order, that happened in February, February 24th,

[0:18:16] and I'll read from that order, number

[0:18:20] Voice 6: one says, you know, the new order has been granted,

[0:18:24] Voice 6: second lines of the orders, this court issued on November 2nd, 2021, and August 12th, 2022,

[0:18:31] Voice 6: If the two ends were sitting or set aside, you'd be locked in jurisdiction.

[0:18:35] Voice 6: So they had to get the new order signed by the property judge.

[0:18:39] That's in place.

[0:18:43] He had to be re-served this order, given nine days to clean up the property.

[0:18:50] And that comes to an end May 26th.

[0:18:56] Voice 6: So approximately May 26th is the next scheduled inspection date

[0:19:01] Voice 6: to see if anything has progressed and I will have to do a new inspection, a new affidavit

[0:19:12] for what's going on in that new

[0:19:14] Voice 6: affidavit. We can reference or I can reference the fact that

[0:19:18] Voice 6: there's been a fire, present any new evidence that the judge needs to hear and then that

[0:19:23] affidavit would be used to go you know seek an actual contempt order

[0:19:28] Voice 6: and at that hearing

[0:19:35] Voice 6: the process that's been followed in other cases is that the judge yes would say he's in contempt

[0:19:41] Voice 6: then he'll set another date in the future I don't know how many more months

[0:19:47] Voice 6: as a penalty base that he'll ask for submissions from both parties and ask about what penalties

[0:19:53] Voice 6: it can be assessed if he has in fact been found contempt on that date so the next court date

[0:20:04] Voice 6: it could be two months or three months after May I'm not sure it all depends how busy the court in

[0:20:11] Voice 6: courts are when in fact we can get the contempt order but then of course it can also be x number

[0:20:17] Voice 6: of months after that when the judge decides to issue penalties or consider any requests from

[0:20:22] be unstressed

[0:20:23] Voice 6: for a so-called self-help order in which we unstressed uh cleaned up the property

[0:20:30] at their expense and

[0:20:31] Voice 6: then charged that expense back to mr payne and uh

[0:20:37] Voice 7: that information i can

[0:20:39] Voice 7: provide you today thank

[0:20:43] Voice 6: you manager thing then so waiting until may 26 you'll provide an affidavit

[0:20:48] Voice 6: um and then we don't know how long it will take before a judge will look at that and decide if

[0:20:55] Voice 6: they're found in contempt correct our legal counsel will have to try to file a

[0:21:01] Voice 6: another hearing with the judge uh you know to seek a contempt if i'm in contempt okay so

[0:21:12] Voice 6: my question is what can be done in the meantime um i see that members of the public are here

[0:21:18] Voice 6: Do we want to open this up for input?

[0:21:21] Voice 4: Well,

[0:21:22] Voice 6: we do have

[0:21:22] Voice 4: to have public comments, right?

[0:21:24] Voice 4: We should probably keep that there.

[0:21:25] Voice 4: But I would like to make a few remarks, and I do have a few questions.

[0:21:29] Voice 4: But I don't want to take all the airtime.

[0:21:32] Voice 4: Go right ahead.

[0:21:33] Voice 4: I have one question after you.

[0:21:34] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:21:36] Voice 4: What I would like to do is, for the public record, for the most part, and I will give

[0:21:42] Voice 4: you copies, I believe, worn of these letters.

[0:21:44] Voice 4: I plan to give you this printed copy here.

[0:21:46] Voice 4: um i would like to just uh not some of this but just capture a few capture a few essential

[0:21:55] Voice 4: thoughts that are contained in some of these letters and one in particular like i might

[0:21:59] Voice 4: read a little bit more because that opportunity won't necessarily exist uh later and it's pertinent

[0:22:06] Voice 4: to the conversation here and then i do have a question but i'd like to just sort of characterize

[0:22:10] Voice 4: rise to the climate in the community um and so on the one letter from um the vander gags um

[0:22:18] Voice 7: um is that um this

[0:22:25] Voice 4: this situation um is incredibly dangerous with a fire and it's fortunate that the

[0:22:31] Voice 4: forest was not tinder dry but what about the next time i think that's a there's a lot of

[0:22:37] Voice 4: fear at this point in our community um and and the unsightliness is one thing this is in the

[0:22:44] Voice 4: letter from pat english um unsightliness is one thing but what happened last night is something

[0:22:50] Voice 4: else entirely and threatens us all that's uh continuing to uh support that notion and then

[0:22:58] Voice 4: from uh from higgins um i can only imagine that if this was july or august how this fire could

[0:23:06] Voice 4: of spread i know this cleanup effort is held up in the courts but i cannot imagine that this would

[0:23:11] Voice 4: be tolerated in a city setting so why do we need to tolerate this on an island this has gone on for

[0:23:16] Voice 4: years i hope this close call leads to prompt action for the cleanup of the property and then

[0:23:23] Voice 4: from the bars i don't want to steal their thunder so i think i'll probably just leave it to them to

[0:23:28] Voice 4: speak but again uh in a person in a face-to-face meeting that i had with peter the other day

[0:23:33] Voice 4: A, the community and themselves are frightened and afraid of what might happen next.

[0:23:41] Voice 4: And certainly there's all kinds of potential loss of life situations and loss of property value and not being able to enjoy the properties which they've had for years.

[0:23:56] Voice 4: And then these are all neighbors, right?

[0:23:59] Voice 4: And beyond the neighbors, there's, of course, other things.

[0:24:03] Voice 4: But Lot 88 houses an incredibly dangerous collection of flammable chemicals,

[0:24:08] Voice 4: posing a serious threat to first responders or neighbors.

[0:24:13] Voice 4: It had this taking place in a drier season.

[0:24:15] Voice 4: There may have been no stopping the flames, and lives may have been lost.

[0:24:19] Voice 4: And there's a lot more information in there.

[0:24:23] Voice 6: We'd be pleased to use it if you aren't.

[0:24:24] Voice 6: um but asked

[0:24:30] Voice 4: in the email as to whether or not that that's next uh hearing whether there's a

[0:24:35] Voice 4: potential opportunity for myself to represent the community at such a hearing or not um because i

[0:24:42] Voice 4: really want to be sure that the sense the fear of the community and the concerns of the community

[0:24:47] Voice 4: are understood the

[0:24:51] Voice 6: short answer is no okay they're not it wouldn't be to hear new evidence

[0:24:57] Voice 6: I need to read the affidavit, and whatever community concerns may be able to go into

[0:25:03] Voice 6: that affidavit, trying to address the fire, I don't know if the letters can go into that,

[0:25:08] Voice 6: but from young Anderson, they're going to hear submissions from young Anderson and not

[0:25:15] Voice 6: hear live witnesses or new evidence, other than my affidavit.

[0:25:21] Voice 4: so then presuming then i would like to encourage our community members to write letters to ourselves

[0:25:27] Voice 4: and to whomever else would be pertinent um and hopefully they could be included as part of that

[0:25:33] Voice 4: affidavit so they can certainly attend the community can attend this hearing oh but they

[0:25:40] Voice 4: can't speak no they won't at this time i've been told they would not have an opportunity to actually

[0:25:44] Voice 4: speak to the judge so i could attend but not speak yes would there be some acknowledgement

[0:25:49] Voice 4: I was wondering if there was members of the community there

[0:25:51] Voice 4: with the courtroom.

[0:25:53] Voice 4: I believe our legal counsel could reference it.

[0:25:56] Voice 4: So you can see these are the members of the community

[0:25:58] Voice 4: and they're concerned.

[0:25:59] Voice 4: I would appreciate knowing when that is

[0:26:01] Voice 4: because I may just make that just because I'm standing there.

[0:26:03] Voice 4: I think it sends a message.

[0:26:05] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:26:06] Voice 4: So my next question then is more pertinent

[0:26:10] Voice 4: to about what we can do.

[0:26:12] Voice 4: And certainly, oh, and I want to seek some clarity.

[0:26:15] Voice 4: I thought we had a contempt of court ruling already,

[0:26:20] Voice 4: but was that the one that was done

[0:26:21] Voice 4: by the judge that didn't have jurisdiction?

[0:26:24] Voice 4: We couldn't proceed when they were trying

[0:26:26] Voice 6: to ready to proceed and get a contempt hearing.

[0:26:30] Voice 6: They discovered that it was signed by the wrong judge.

[0:26:33] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:26:33] Voice 4: So

[0:26:34] Voice 6: they had to refile, get the February 24th date,

[0:26:37] Voice 6: get the order corrected.

[0:26:40] Voice 6: And this was something to do with the courts

[0:26:42] Voice 6: that I believe the council doesn't understand.

[0:26:46] Voice 6: The courts made this mistake, but this is a mistake within the system itself as to assigning the wrong

[0:26:53] Voice 4: judge.

[0:26:54] Voice 4: So the courts may or may not admit to or consider it a mistake, a process error.

[0:27:02] Voice 4: Will the fact that this loss of time be considered in the decision that the judge made?

[0:27:08] Voice 4: I wouldn't be skeptical of that.

[0:27:10] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:27:11] Voice 4: and

[0:27:11] Voice 6: that's based on other other cases the you know i said thank you robin with the

[0:27:18] Voice 6: the similar situation come up and where you know what judges said you know i'm still going to give

[0:27:24] this person another six months right uh to clean up the property

[0:27:27] Voice 6: uh they've been very conscious of

[0:27:30] Voice 6: property owners rights and time to clean up so it's working in the property owner's favor

[0:27:37] Voice 6: and not necessarily in our state.

[0:27:40] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:27:41] Voice 6: And sorry for the groaning,

[0:27:42] Voice 6: but I think these are important questions to ask.

[0:27:46] Voice 4: Where does the community concern and interest come in this

[0:27:50] Voice 4: when there's a serious environmental, financial,

[0:27:56] Voice 4: and safety issues at risk here?

[0:28:01] Voice 4: What's happened over the weekend is a demonstration.

[0:28:04] Voice 4: We got away with it, but it's a real wake-up call.

[0:28:09] Voice 4: the next time may be disastrous. How is that, how can that be considered, is it considered?

[0:28:17] Voice 4: I'd have

[0:28:18] Voice 6: to go back to young Anderson and see what advice they could provide and maybe that

[0:28:22] Voice 6: may require in-camera meetings. Okay. That's what other steps as an alternative, I mean you already

[0:28:28] Voice 6: have the order. Yeah. And you know he's got till May 26th to comply. So then I don't know what

[0:28:35] Voice 6: What the hell if they can, you know, I can press them to try and see, you know, here, we consider this emergency, we want this expedited because of the fire risk now, and then they'll have to report back on what they can or cannot do.

[0:28:49] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:28:50] Voice 6: So part

[0:28:53] Voice 4: of the rationale for our legal action was that he's conducting a business that is not permitted on that site.

[0:29:02] Voice 4: recently he has indicated that he's not conducting any kind of business this is just his

[0:29:07] Voice 4: hobby or something and so I can't help but wonder is what other mechanism is there to minimize the

[0:29:16] Voice 4: risk today and on a building site of course you can get a soft work order from the regional

[0:29:23] Voice 4: district with respect to activities going on what tools are there available for us to suspend

[0:29:29] Voice 4: Spend activity that is a community risk.

[0:29:33] Voice 4: Through Columbus Trust, I'm not aware of any other

[0:29:35] Voice 6: than what we've already done.

[0:29:37] Voice 4: The regional

[0:29:38] Voice 6: district, I imagine, could do something more now.

[0:29:43] Voice 4: Can we pursue that?

[0:29:44] Voice 4: I can certainly talk

[0:29:46] Voice 6: to Yogi Anderson and see what the regional district could or could not do.

[0:29:54] But I would

[0:29:57] Voice 6: say, from my past experience...

[0:30:00] Voice 6: different agencies you know if there's a fire risk yeah i don't know why the fire department

[0:30:05] Voice 6: can't go in and clean it up and clean it up now other than what resources they have if the fire

[0:30:10] Voice 6: chief says this is an immediate fire danger then i believe he would have some authority

[0:30:17] Voice 6: to take immediate action that we do not this we're not we're not emergency services of indiana we're

[0:30:24] Voice 6: not first responders the regional district the fire department they have they would have powers

[0:30:30] Voice 6: that can

[0:30:30] Voice 4: address this well we have an improvement district on the island and i and the fire

[0:30:36] Voice 4: department i don't believe believes that they have that authority because the bylaws don't

[0:30:40] Voice 4: contain that authority i think so i can certainly pursue that with the chair of the improvement

[0:30:46] Voice 4: the district um so thankful for that so uh in order to pursue this line of thought um should we

[0:30:55] Voice 4: have a motion to direct you to inquire with the regional district about what actions might be

[0:31:00] Voice 4: taken because we're not a regional district as affiliated fire department but there's noise and

[0:31:05] Voice 4: pollution and you know whether i think ministry environment has been advised about the hazardous

[0:31:09] Voice 4: materials on the site as a result of the fire they may or may not attend i don't know do you

[0:31:15] Voice 4: any other suggestions so

[0:31:17] Voice 6: the chair what should happen is she passed a motion it sounds like

[0:31:20] Voice 6: you need another legal opinion which would outline what options you have and what options

[0:31:27] Voice 6: you want to know what the regional district can do in other cases so

[0:31:31] Voice 4: we should ask you

[0:31:31] Voice 4: to provide a legal opinion with regarding what other options are available for emergency action

[0:31:37] Voice 4: from the regional district as an example okay

[0:31:40] Voice 6: or what other action i was trusting

[0:31:44] Voice 6: Okay, so I'll compensate that for a moment.

[0:31:47] Voice 6: Sorry, may I ask a question about that?

[0:31:48] Voice 6: So would the Islands Trust be paying for a legal opinion about another body's jurisdiction over something that we actually have no authority over?

[0:32:00] Voice 6: Certainly, yes, but this is common.

[0:32:03] Voice 6: We'll get to your comments in the public comment.

[0:32:05] Voice 1: Many of

[0:32:05] Voice 6: these legal opinions address those issues.

[0:32:07] Voice 6: What's Islands Trust's jurisdiction?

[0:32:09] Voice 6: What is the jurisdiction of the province?

[0:32:11] Voice 6: yeah and here's what you can do or here's what you can ask the regional district to do okay

[0:32:15] Voice 6: and how those uh how the different layers of government work together it will define your

[0:32:21] Voice 6: roles and then provide clarification on what they'll come back and say the regional district

[0:32:28] Voice 6: can do something where they cannot they'll review the regional district bylaws and say okay here's

[0:32:33] Voice 6: through this bylaw and not necessarily the local improvement district

[0:32:37] Voice 6: or fire department can do

[0:32:38] Voice 6: anything but yes the regional district may be able to take some action to be quite honest the

[0:32:44] Voice 4: improvement district here has inadequate

[0:32:46] Voice 6: capacity financial

[0:32:48] Voice 6: or otherwise okay um thank you so then

[0:32:52] Voice 6: i will make a motion at uh i want to hear from the public as well but can i have something to add here

[0:33:01] Voice 6: thank you i did i have a question about a different bylaw if that's appropriate um i'm

[0:33:08] Voice 6: good to go on 71 marina drive has there been any action on that too so we're we're waiting for a

[0:33:15] Voice 6: survey um i've been to the property with one of the property owners and the property owner

[0:33:23] Voice 6: identified stakes and iron pins on both sides of the property we measured from those points

[0:33:32] Voice 6: that he identified from those points that he identified.

[0:33:39] Voice 6: I sent both the property owners a letter saying,

[0:33:42] Voice 6: these are the measurements that I have

[0:33:44] Voice 6: and there's one, two buildings in setback areas.

[0:33:48] Voice 6: They have concerns about the accuracy of those measurements,

[0:33:52] Voice 6: but it's important to remember that I'm not a surveyor

[0:33:55] and I'm using the points that

[0:33:57] Voice 6: they have identified to me.

[0:34:00] they had drove past the property and you know stakes

[0:34:06] Voice 6: have been moved and I'm not sure what's

[0:34:11] Voice 6: there's different flagging out so again I don't understand some of the widths that they're used

[0:34:16] Voice 6: to measure the width of the road which is 60 60 there's this 56 foot measurement that they've

[0:34:25] Voice 6: been using and staking off which is the width of the road by the original subdivision plan is 66

[0:34:31] Voice 6: yes the property owners have been using a 56 what width property line the property line approximately

[0:34:42] Voice 6: plus accounting for some other location i'm not entirely sure of why that's being done

[0:34:49] Voice 6: that's why before you need to have a legal survey okay especially because the house was moved

[0:34:55] Voice 6: from the original plants that had found stress they reloaded relocated it when they actually

[0:35:01] Voice 6: barged it in so i'm holding a surveillance but okay i do have one other question about the

[0:35:07] davis pick property uh remember i asked before if he does for some miraculous reason start cleaning

[0:35:14] it up

[0:35:15] Voice 6: is it entirely up to the judge to be said whether he is in compliance with a partial cleanup

[0:35:21] Voice 1: up

[0:35:21] Voice 6: is that how it works yes but all depending on what

[0:35:25] Voice 6: my affidavit says okay and then it's up to

[0:35:29] Voice 6: the judge now because the orders have an issue and he must comply with the original order and

[0:35:36] Voice 6: there'd have to be some strong evidence for him to provide that he doesn't have to comply with that

[0:35:41] Voice 6: ridge of the order that was issued with every 2014 circuit okay what are the typical penalties that

[0:35:49] Voice 6: we've seen in a case like this and what are the like to compare that with a self-help order to

[0:35:57] Voice 6: clean up the property so this we don't normally do this okay it's actually been rare uh you know

[0:36:06] Voice 6: what a property for debt and there might have been a hundred thousand charge uh but that may

[0:36:12] have also included some costs

[0:36:14] Voice 6: uh but there was i don't have the exact amount it was a very high

[0:36:19] Voice 6: number uh because there was no compliance with the development permit area and there was some

[0:36:25] Voice 6: costs that the stressors were covering on the property owner so when the court actually did

[0:36:29] Voice 6: was forced to order the sale of the property to pay stress costs and penalties for contempt

[0:36:36] Voice 6: and it was i think everything was in the hundreds of thousands of dollars

[0:36:41] Voice 6: and the last cleanup that was i believe it happened 10 years ago that was i believe 60

[0:36:47] Voice 6: plus thousand dollars uh to do the cleanup the estimate from legal counsel now would be

[0:36:53] Voice 6: assessed a hundred thousand dollars to clean up this property

[0:36:56] Voice 7: okay

[0:36:58] Voice 6: thank you for that um

[0:37:03] Voice 7: yeah this is a very serious issue and

[0:37:05] Voice 6: clearly something needs to be done and so

[0:37:10] Voice 6: there's no further questions from trustees yeah i'd like to hear from the public

[0:37:15] Voice 6: at the end of that public comment so we'll now open the meetings public comments we ask that

[0:37:25] Voice 6: you keep your comments to the issues and business at hand speak to issues not to people and keep

[0:37:31] Voice 6: everything respectful and please do we take names some minutes record names and some do not but if

[0:37:38] Voice 6: you want to state your name for the record then please do so is there anybody who yes sir well

[0:37:44] Voice 5: uh paul duncan just on this last issue i'm wondering if an approach or another approach

[0:37:51] Voice 5: is to consider some parallel processes so well staff are looking into what can be done

[0:38:01] Voice 5: lawyer could we not do another process dealing with a fire

[0:38:07] Voice 5: fire, and not just the Island Improvement District, but I'm wondering if there's a provincial

[0:38:16] Voice 5: regulation of fire and emergencies that could be contacted, and again, not looking for a

[0:38:24] Voice 5: legal opinion, but simply getting some information on a strategy of multiple approaches rather

[0:38:33] Voice 5: other than just the legal approach that's been pursued right now that's just a suggestion

[0:38:39] Voice 5: the main reason i came here today is to talk about the anchorage issue and i had emailed

[0:38:48] Voice 5: canada and figured that i would be raising that particular issue today

[0:38:53] Voice 5: Today, I take you back to page four of the minutes of the last meeting.

[0:39:00] Voice 5: It says serious engagement with the federal government on this issue will continue to be requested,

[0:39:09] Voice 5: providing the consideration of a cost-of-life response might be encouraged to improve government response.

[0:39:17] Voice 5: That's from last month's minutes.

[0:39:20] Voice 5: What I'm requesting Islands Trust is to action a trust-wide response to the Vancouver Port Authority, who is looking at providing, having the jurisdiction for Anchorage in the Salish Sea.

[0:39:41] Voice 5: Transport Canada has a survey, an individual survey, which is typical of the past approaches, where it's been individuals and volunteers that have responded to this issue.

[0:40:00] Voice 5: It's not working. We have more vessels at Anchorage for longer periods of time, so we need to mobilize more resources, and I suggest the Islands

[0:40:16] Voice 7: Trust lead the way.

[0:40:18] Voice 7: So I guess I'm looking for

[0:40:26] Voice 5: a motion that can be taken to the trust that would read something like we agree that we are accountable for Anchorage in the state of the sea.

[0:40:43] Voice 5: And out of that, we could flow a whole ream of strategies and tactics, as opposed to the current situation where we have media relations people working for the Port of Vancouver and staff working for Transport Canada that essentially are dividing and conquering a collective voice in the sailor's sea.

[0:41:12] Voice 6: thank you sir for your comments um i don't know if you want to respond or just keep

[0:41:18] Voice 6: moving through and then sort of have a because there's a few things that i could

[0:41:22] Voice 6: we could address with the anchorages um piece but well

[0:41:27] Voice 4: i want to um i would like to respond to paul

[0:41:31] Voice 4: and thank him for coming today and thank him in fact for his letter i think last week where

[0:41:36] Voice 4: where you outline some details.

[0:41:44] Voice 7: This is a big problem of

[0:41:49] Voice 4: which there aren't simple solutions.

[0:41:56] Voice 4: The Islands Trust is already on record

[0:41:58] Voice 4: of the most recent two being

[0:42:03] Voice 4: that there would be a moratorium on anchorages.

[0:42:06] Voice 4: The second is now due to the same frustration

[0:42:11] Voice 4: that you're experiencing, the Office of Council has insisted that they be eliminated, period.

[0:42:19] Voice 4: And the response from the federal government is appalling.

[0:42:25] There has been no specific response

[0:42:28] Voice 4: to either of those initiatives.

[0:42:32] Voice 4: Years ago, we asked for a 20-year management plan.

[0:42:35] Voice 4: Well, I think it's been 20 years since we asked for that management.

[0:42:38] Voice 4: That's not quite true.

[0:42:39] Voice 4: It's 10 years probably since we asked for that money.

[0:42:42] Voice 4: And the lame solution at this point is to ask the fox to look after the chickens.

[0:42:50] Voice 4: And there's a serious problem with that.

[0:42:52] Voice 4: And we have addressed that directly to the federal government and to the court that we're not satisfied with this process.

[0:43:01] Voice 4: and then, and I know that you know this,

[0:43:05] Voice 4: that this is also being led by Alistair McGregor,

[0:43:10] Voice 4: our MP for the area at the federal table.

[0:43:14] Voice 4: And indeed he and his colleagues are also frustrated

[0:43:18] Voice 4: with the lack of response from the minister of transport.

[0:43:24] Voice 4: I certainly hear and understand what you're saying

[0:43:27] Voice 4: about the Alistair needs to lead this

[0:43:30] Voice 4: and certainly we will continue to do so and and in fact at every opportunity in fact um on um

[0:43:37] Voice 4: on saturday uh represented representatives from the ocean protection uh plan uh program from the

[0:43:44] Voice 4: federal government board at abicc and i raised the anchorage issue again and they know me i'm

[0:43:50] Voice 4: perfect in pieces they know exactly who my concerns are and uh that opportunity has taken advantage of

[0:43:56] Voice 4: that opportunity is also taken advantage of with every level of provincial government

[0:44:02] Voice 4: and interestingly enough the provincial government has less interest than i believe

[0:44:09] Voice 4: that they should have because they pass the buck to its federal jurisdiction but absolutely

[0:44:16] Voice 4: transportation has an interest uh to the province the economic opportunities that are being exploited

[0:44:21] Voice 4: as a result of these vessels being in our area are clear

[0:44:25] Voice 4: and there needs to be more action.

[0:44:27] Voice 4: But I also believe that it's important

[0:44:30] Voice 4: that every citizen that has a concern about this write

[0:44:34] Voice 4: because indeed it does, the numbers make a difference

[0:44:38] Voice 4: because otherwise it's just the local government.

[0:44:41] Voice 4: We need the public support behind us

[0:44:44] Voice 4: so that we can say, here's this whole folder,

[0:44:48] Voice 4: envelopes of people that have written

[0:44:50] Voice 4: that are frustrated with this and you know this has been going on for absolutely far too long um i

[0:44:56] Voice 4: uh i can only continue to work in that direction um certainly this lcc wants to make a motion in

[0:45:03] Voice 4: that direction we certainly could but i don't know that it's going to uh alter the path that we're on

[0:45:10] Voice 4: it is on the top priorities list of trust council to continue to address this um and many other

[0:45:17] Voice 6: body and

[0:45:19] Voice 4: many other bodies of college and valley district for their

[0:45:22] Voice 6: resolution that the avicc and

[0:45:26] Voice 6: ubcm request the federal government and the vancouver fraser court authority take all available

[0:45:31] Voice 6: actions to immediately reduce the use of freighter anchorages along southern vancouver island

[0:45:36] Voice 6: and that was passed and this continually is raised and the islands trust is not remiss in its duty to

[0:45:43] Voice 6: do this but i don't think expanding our jurisdiction to say that i i think your words

[0:45:48] Voice 6: were that we become responsible for anchorages in the salish sea so that we can control this

[0:45:53] Voice 6: i don't think that would be a possible strategy but if if i misspoke then yeah so

[0:46:02] Voice 5: do you think

[0:46:03] Voice 5: it's better the port of vancouver the transport canada who are proposing the port of vancouver

[0:46:10] Voice 5: Vancouver takeover regulation of the Anchorage and Salish Sea is a better solution?

[0:46:17] Voice 5: No.

[0:46:17] Voice 5: Okay, well, then we have to do something.

[0:46:22] Voice 5: We do.

[0:46:23] Voice 6: Because

[0:46:23] Voice 5: this is what's going to happen.

[0:46:25] Voice 5: You look at the media releases from the Port of Vancouver last fall,

[0:46:31] Voice 5: to now the surveys, this is all positioning that Transport Canada will be able to say

[0:46:39] Voice 5: we've got public input and we're going to give the port of vancouver that authority

[0:46:45] Voice 5: that's that's the concern okay

[0:46:47] Voice 6: you're right yeah

[0:46:49] Voice 4: however we have expressed that opinion

[0:46:54] Voice 6: strongly strongly i would say that the ocean protection plan so they're marine we don't have

[0:47:01] Voice 6: a coastal marine strategy and bc is lacking in this and the minister minister colin has

[0:47:09] Voice 6: has the mandate and has initiated this ocean protection

[0:47:12] Voice 6: and marine conservation coordination effort.

[0:47:17] Voice 6: And so in our discussion,

[0:47:18] Voice 6: when the ocean protection program,

[0:47:22] Voice 6: people invited the odds trust to speak

[0:47:24] Voice 6: and they spoke to us about these,

[0:47:25] Voice 6: the Anchorage was very much front and center on their radar

[0:47:30] Voice 6: and they would have the coordinating powers

[0:47:32] Voice 6: to bring together all the local governments

[0:47:35] Voice 6: to have that conversation with the port authority.

[0:47:38] Voice 6: i don't think the islands trust can do it on its own we need to work in collaboration i agree

[0:47:43] Voice 6: advocacy on gabriel island the gabrielans against greater anchorages was born and that became a

[0:47:49] Voice 6: whole sailor scene movement and unfortunately we lost a key advocate for that um and and a voice

[0:47:56] Voice 6: who was speaking to transport canada and going to ottawa and having those conversations with

[0:48:00] Voice 6: the minister so i totally agree with you i just don't think the islands trust should increase

[0:48:04] Voice 6: increases jurisdiction because we don't have capacity to to tell them to get out of the

[0:48:10] Voice 6: options right um but i i hear you mr duncan thank you so much

[0:48:21] Voice 6: sure very quick comment to the point because he came up uh listening to the annoying words

[0:48:27] Voice 5: the incentives to put the main put the port of mankou in charge of solving this problem are

[0:48:33] Voice 5: are all wrong,

[0:48:34] Voice 6: all wrong, and you will get the solution

[0:48:40] Voice 6: that you're seeking will not come from them.

[0:48:43] Voice 6: And they're all wrong.

[0:48:45] Voice 7: Yes.

[0:48:46] Voice 7: And

[0:48:46] Voice 4: I have said that.

[0:48:47] Voice 6: Don't like to say it.

[0:48:49] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:48:49] Voice 4: So that is, I just started looking for something actually,

[0:48:54] Voice 4: because you've raised a very good point there,

[0:48:57] Voice 4: Trustee Elliott, that the new ministry

[0:49:02] Voice 4: that's developing the marine strategy.

[0:49:04] Voice 4: I just finished writing to Minister Cullen on that.

[0:49:09] Voice 4: And indeed, vessel anchorages is one of the top priorities.

[0:49:14] Voice 4: That if we're, you know, there's more significance to this

[0:49:18] Voice 4: than is imaginable, actually.

[0:49:20] Voice 4: Every other jurisdiction, of which there's only two, actually,

[0:49:24] Voice 4: the East Coast and the North Coast, all have marine strategies.

[0:49:27] Voice 4: strategies. British Columbia does not have a marine strategy. And so, indeed, that marine

[0:49:33] Voice 4: strategy needs to include freighter anchorages. And that has also been articulated. And that

[0:49:42] Voice 4: – I can't find that letter. I can quote it.

[0:49:44] Voice 6: I've got the letter, and I think maybe it could be included in the minutes. I've

[0:49:50] Voice 6: just pulled it up. It was written April 13th to Honourable Nathan Collins. So we took action

[0:49:56] Voice 6: As soon as the province asked for input on their coastal marine strategy, and they're in their second phase, they've done engagement with First Nations, and now they're asking everybody, what do you want us to focus on?

[0:50:09] Voice 6: anchorages is on the list and so we were able to give that input and our feedback on the coastal

[0:50:15] Voice 6: marine strategy intentions paper is um it's a document we can pass on to you but the call for

[0:50:22] Voice 6: shoreline mapping products and ecosystem inventory tool maps for eelgrass that we do not have the

[0:50:28] Voice 6: capacity to set up and maintain but yet that's within our mandate so this this body should be

[0:50:35] Voice 6: be the one to set up a coastal strategy and then we figure out who has responsibility for those

[0:50:39] Voice 6: coordination pieces for the protection of the of the marine um air environment so it's a it was a

[0:50:47] Voice 6: very lengthy and well um thought through letter and details january 19th 2021 our letter to the

[0:50:55] Voice 6: minister of transport re-anchorages boat sewage restrictions everything to do with coastal

[0:50:59] Voice 6: protection so we're on that file but we can't do it alone that's what i would say anything else

[0:51:08] Voice 6: on anchorages well

[0:51:10] Voice 4: i want to

[0:51:10] Voice 6: ask one question

[0:51:11] Voice 4: but again i don't want to use up all the air times

[0:51:13] Voice 4: i think it's important for um us as a group members of the public

[0:51:23] Voice 4: But to understand the ultra-virus nature of the land use bylaw that exists that says there will be no commercial vessel anchorages out there,

[0:51:35] Voice 4: because that's a leverage point that our citizens use, which

[0:51:39] Voice 4: it's best for you to address the

[0:51:43] Voice 7: nature of that.

[0:51:45] Voice 7: so i would say that the uh the courts

[0:51:50] Voice 6: have ruled that you just don't have jurisdiction

[0:51:52] over certain federally regulated activities or industries

[0:51:57] Voice 6: the best example is airports

[0:52:00] Voice 7: yeah

[0:52:00] Voice 6: which uh multiple islands in one way or another have restrictions or prohibitions on uh airports

[0:52:08] Voice 6: that they can't actually they have no jurisdiction and this has been challenged across the country

[0:52:14] Voice 6: Quebec and he's in other jurisdictions and the judges are repeatedly building that it's federally

[0:52:21] Voice 6: regulated and uh you know it can't that yes any local government bylaws are ultra various when it

[0:52:29] Voice 6: comes to those type of regulations and just the anchorages themselves are federally regulated

[0:52:37] Voice 6: It's federal law, and I believe all of the advice that's come from legal counsel has

[0:52:45] Voice 6: stated that they just have no jurisdiction to stop those actual anchorages.

[0:52:50] Voice 6: Any ship can come in and drop anchor.

[0:52:54] Voice 6: I would say there is a gray area there as far as what jurisdiction the Port of Vancouver

[0:52:59] Voice 6: has.

[0:53:01] Voice 6: It's not within their planning area, within their authority area.

[0:53:04] Voice 6: So I guess the federal government would have to have new legislation to give them some type of authority to manage these areas as part of their port, because not the highest rate establishes that they currently have that authority at all.

[0:53:18] Voice 6: interesting but just the the ships can come in and then you anchor and the especially in this

[0:53:25] Voice 6: war area they stay a thousand meters approximately offshore anyway which is outside of the zone area

[0:53:31] Voice 6: or the land use follow-up land use zones been established around the islands or they place

[0:53:38] Voice 6: them off a first nations reserve and where you have no authority anyway

[0:53:43] Voice 4: you know there does

[0:53:45] Voice 4: seem to be some doubt about the proximity though when the vessel swings yeah

[0:53:50] Voice 6: but that's just the

[0:53:51] Voice 6: vessel traveling sorry so if it is absolutely talking about a commercial anchorage and it's

[0:53:57] Voice 6: outside of your thousand meter yeah uh area you haven't zoned those waters and if you then went

[0:54:05] Voice 6: and zoned them and they can claim off-line use and a lot of these agencies here for the maps that

[0:54:12] Voice 6: i've seen have been in existence since the 1940s and 1950s so that use predates on this customer

[0:54:19] Voice 6: but you

[0:54:19] Voice 4: know there's a 20 plus years yeah i'm interested in seeing those maps actually because

[0:54:23] Voice 4: that's one of the points in question okay

[0:54:27] Voice 6: um

[0:54:29] Voice 4: definitely

[0:54:30] Voice 6: collaboration coordination is needed

[0:54:32] Voice 6: that's what i would say yeah that's fine i'm committed to keep working on this yeah

[0:54:42] Voice 6: Yes, and are there other comments from the public or members of the public who wish to speak?

[0:54:48] Voice 6: Yes, sir?

[0:54:49] Voice 5: Yes, we're the next door neighbors of Davis-Tay.

[0:54:52] Voice 5: I'm not quite sure what ones I'll have to say here.

[0:54:54] Voice 5: This is my depth, not depth, but my range of experience.

[0:54:59] Voice 5: However, I will make an observation that you can give me a little guidance if I stray here.

[0:55:06] Voice 5: care. But there is more an issue than environmental

[0:55:10] Voice 6: problems with that property. There is the occupant,

[0:55:17] Voice 7: the

[0:55:18] Voice 5: neighbors, the people that I have talked to, who are absolutely rock solid, two feet

[0:55:25] Voice 5: on the ground kind of people. You know who they are. You know their names.

[0:55:30] Voice 6: They are extremely

[0:55:36] Voice 7: by gunshots in

[0:55:38] Voice 5: the night, that's not environmental.

[0:55:40] Voice 5: You know, we have, the community here

[0:55:44] Voice 5: has a very serious problem.

[0:55:47] Voice 5: And

[0:55:47] Voice 6: I mean, I can tell you that I have,

[0:55:53] Voice 6: stop me if I stray here about that.

[0:55:55] Voice 6: I have sat down because I had a property issue with him

[0:56:00] Voice 6: and built a structure partly on our property

[0:56:04] Voice 6: and I own that property, but because of the fragility of the nature of the

[0:56:11] Voice 6: occupant proceeded very fairly to get that removed. In the process of doing

[0:56:19] Voice 5: that I had sat with that young man, 27 years old, now under the guesstimate 30,

[0:56:25] Voice 6: and we

[0:56:28] Voice 6: talked about, he told me what drugs he was on, he told me about his back up, not hearsay,

[0:56:35] Voice 6: that's to my face

[0:56:37] Voice 5: and and one of the comments that was made as we neared the end of that

[0:56:43] Voice 5: conversation with a little tear going down his face and took tough young man he said you know

[0:56:52] Voice 7: i'd

[0:56:52] Voice 6: say that only because there's a broader issue here than just a piece of property

[0:57:00] Voice 6: and taking the junk out of the property is only partly going to

[0:57:05] Voice 5: solve the issue. I want the best

[0:57:08] Voice 5: for the young man. I want the best for our property too, make no mistake, I don't know.

[0:57:14] Voice 5: That's your understanding, but that young man is in crisis and if

[0:57:20] Voice 5: this community can do something,

[0:57:22] Voice 5: you know, participate in a way to help him out of the mess that he has now landed all of us in,

[0:57:29] Voice 5: that would be

[0:57:31] Voice 5: the most fundamental

[0:57:33] Voice 5: and the best starting point for this whole thing.

[0:57:35] Voice 5: Having said that,

[0:57:36] Voice 5: I think I'm back to self-interest.

[0:57:39] Voice 5: Not just mine, but the people that I

[0:57:41] Voice 5: organized then, we all put in

[0:57:43] Voice 5: to Warren's office

[0:57:45] Voice 5: formal complaints. I forget

[0:57:47] Voice 5: what you call them, Warren, but back

[0:57:48] Voice 5: a few years ago or more now, I don't know.

[0:57:51] Voice 6: Maybe four years.

[0:57:53] Voice 6: I don't know.

[0:57:54] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:57:55] Voice 5: So, you know,

[0:57:56] Voice 5: were um and you know they're filling the community with people now one of the women's

[0:58:02] Voice 5: board members as well

[0:58:04] Voice 6: as the residents have been totally dispossessed of any property that they have

[0:58:08] Voice 6: not us you have to be at least on your side it's

[0:58:12] Voice 5: it's tragic if you haven't seen them

[0:58:14] Voice 6: only

[0:58:15] Voice 5: uh i'll walk you over the project today because i was talking to them

[0:58:19] Voice 5: and encouraging them all right having said that

[0:58:25] Voice 6: uh what i want to know is is

[0:58:26] Voice 6: there are two things

[0:58:32] Voice 6: on Saturday

[0:58:33] Voice 6: well it would be

[0:58:34] Voice 6: Sunday morning

[0:58:35] Voice 6: early

[0:58:35] Voice 6: approximately

[0:58:35] Voice 6: you know

[0:58:38] Voice 5: approximately

[0:58:38] Voice 5: about 2

[0:58:39] Voice 5: 1.30

[0:58:39] Voice 5: according to

[0:58:40] Voice 5: 2 a.m.

[0:58:41] Voice 5: Sunday the 16th

[0:58:42] Voice 5: I think it was

[0:58:43] Voice 5: the

[0:58:45] Voice 5: and we'll come

[0:58:46] Voice 5: with a

[0:58:46] Voice 5: from a loud bang

[0:58:47] Voice 5: got me up

[0:58:49] Voice 4: we went to the

[0:58:49] Voice 4: back window

[0:58:50] Voice 4: so we're looking

[0:58:50] Voice 4: out of our

[0:58:51] Voice 4: house is a

[0:58:52] Voice 4: two-story home

[0:58:52] Voice 4: we're looking

[0:58:53] Voice 4: at we're sort of

[0:58:54] Voice 5: roughly the level

[0:58:55] Voice 5: of the fire

[0:58:55] Voice 5: the fire was

[0:58:56] Voice 5: up the hill a bit

[0:58:57] Voice 5: from us

[0:58:57] Voice 5: that were up the hill and the ground below where I was going.

[0:59:02] Voice 5: So we saw a very large fire.

[0:59:05] Voice 5: The perspective that I had was not perfect to see where it was relative to the tree,

[0:59:09] Voice 5: but it was clearly absolutely in

[0:59:13] Voice 6: the wrong place.

[0:59:13] Voice 6: However, you don't need to rely on me for that.

[0:59:15] Voice 6: Fire departments there, they will tell you with precision where it was.

[0:59:19] Voice 6: But

[0:59:20] Voice 5: the word that I think is important here,

[0:59:23] Voice 5: and it's a word you read about when you're talking about international treaty and so on,

[0:59:27] Voice 5: that there was a clear and present

[0:59:29] Voice 4: danger to this community.

[0:59:32] Voice 4: It wasn't theoretical.

[0:59:33] Voice 4: It wasn't maybe this or maybe that.

[0:59:35] Voice 4: It was burning, very high flames, very close to trees.

[0:59:41] Voice 4: Had the season been a little different than it was,

[0:59:46] Voice 5: large parts of this community might not even be here now,

[0:59:50] Voice 6: including

[0:59:51] Voice 5: people obviously closest to Davis.

[0:59:54] Voice 5: So having said that, it wasn't theoretical.

[0:59:56] Voice 5: That's a very real issue.

[0:59:58] Voice 5: I don't know.

[1:00:01] Voice 5: They had already been called by others,

[1:00:03] Voice 5: so, and the fire department was on its way.

[1:00:06] Voice 5: So having said that, all right,

[1:00:10] Voice 5: I have a question that really comes to Warren,

[1:00:14] Voice 6: and, well, I'm gonna go to a question

[1:00:20] Voice 5: to you, please.

[1:00:21] Voice 5: Will we be able to get a copy of Warren's comments?

[1:00:24] Voice 5: Because most of us who are laying on the issues

[1:00:27] Voice 5: of my law enforcement and the Machiavellian system

[1:00:31] Voice 4: that we're put through here, lack of action,

[1:00:35] Voice 6: not for lack of triumph, just the process

[1:00:38] Voice 6: for a businessman like me is startling.

[1:00:43] Voice 6: Let me get a copy of those comments.

[1:00:45] Voice 6: Will that be into the record here?

[1:00:47] Voice 6: Will that minute be available?

[1:00:48] Voice 6: Will the details of these comments be available to me

[1:00:51] Voice 6: so I can help represent my neighbors what's going on?

[1:00:56] Voice 6: Chair, I can send a letter to the complainant

[1:00:59] Voice 6: It's actually, I'll send out the most recent

[1:01:02] Voice 6: entered order.

[1:01:03] Voice 6: That's called the credit.

[1:01:05] Voice 6: I'll send out that order and basically

[1:01:07] Voice 6: some revisions.

[1:01:08] Voice 5: I think, Warren, some of your words

[1:01:11] Voice 5: are non-legalistic.

[1:01:12] Voice 5: I mean, you know what you're doing.

[1:01:14] Voice 5: Most of us don't.

[1:01:16] Voice 5: If you can explain it to us and what the process is,

[1:01:20] Voice 5: it is truly right.

[1:01:22] Voice 6: So I'll try and remain in the same act

[1:01:25] Voice 6: that I said today, do the compliance,

[1:01:27] Voice 6: ends so that we can get an understanding of what has happened, the error, whatever you

[1:01:32] want to call it, the oversight, and what has to

[1:01:35] Voice 6: happen after May 26th.

[1:01:37] Voice 6: Yeah, and if I could just, it's the last thing I have to ask on the what has to happen.

[1:01:44] Voice 6: Ultimately, what we want to know is what has to happen for a forced sale?

[1:01:48] Voice 6: There are all kinds of pros and cons, and I've run through them, and I've had conversations

[1:01:52] Voice 6: with people that know more about the law than I do.

[1:01:54] Voice 6: But at the end of the day, there's a lot of uncertainty because,

[1:01:59] Voice 7: let's suppose it just starts again.

[1:02:08] Voice 7: The lien is

[1:02:09] Voice 6: established in the property. It has no termination date.

[1:02:13] Voice 6: As far as I understand, no interest, positive tax credit.

[1:02:17] Voice 6: so

[1:02:19] Voice 6: what

[1:02:20] Voice 6: greater

[1:02:21] Voice 6: might

[1:02:21] Voice 6: go out

[1:02:22] Voice 6: that

[1:02:22] Voice 6: property

[1:02:23] Voice 6: that

[1:02:23] Voice 6: for sale

[1:02:24] Voice 6: a for sale

[1:02:25] Voice 6: that

[1:02:25] Voice 6: you can

[1:02:27] Voice 6: include that

[1:02:28] Voice 6: in your

[1:02:28] Voice 6: comments

[1:02:29] Voice 6: all I

[1:02:30] Voice 6: would need

[1:02:30] Voice 6: to know

[1:02:31] Voice 6: basically

[1:02:32] Voice 6: if he's

[1:02:32] Voice 6: finally

[1:02:32] Voice 6: content

[1:02:33] Voice 6: and he

[1:02:35] Voice 6: still doesn't

[1:02:35] Voice 6: comply

[1:02:36] Voice 6: he honestly

[1:02:36] Voice 6: doesn't go

[1:02:37] Voice 6: back and

[1:02:37] Voice 6: say okay

[1:02:38] Voice 6: sir you

[1:02:39] Voice 6: put down

[1:02:40] Voice 6: this penalty

[1:02:41] Voice 6: for contempt

[1:02:41] Voice 6: he doesn't

[1:02:42] Voice 6: comply

[1:02:42] Voice 6: he isn't

[1:02:43] Voice 6: paid

[1:02:43] Voice 6: whatever

[1:02:44] Voice 6: we know

[1:02:44] Voice 6: we want

[1:02:46] Voice 6: want an order to clean up the property, we'll charge it back to Mr. Pegg, and at the same

[1:02:52] Voice 6: time, we're at the next step, they can ask for the sale of the property to recover their

[1:02:56] Voice 6: costs.

[1:02:57] Voice 6: If they put those costs on the property and he doesn't pay, then as they've done with

[1:03:02] Voice 6: other files, they can ask the judge to force the sale of the property to recover all the

[1:03:06] Voice 6: costs.

[1:03:08] Voice 6: What stage that will happen this year, I don't know, but we're getting closer to that happening.

[1:03:14] Voice 6: happening.

[1:03:14] Voice 4: So he doesn't actually have to do something wrong other than not pay.

[1:03:19] Voice 6: He has to clean up the property, he doesn't clean up the property,

[1:03:22] Voice 5: we're

[1:03:24] Voice 6: now getting to

[1:03:25] Voice 6: the stage where we can ask the judge to force the sale of the property because of, you know,

[1:03:31] Voice 6: he's not complying with the agreement.

[1:03:33] Voice 5: We have our

[1:03:33] Voice 5: family and all of our neighbors, excuse me, all share our concern, don't hesitate

[1:03:39] Voice 5: to proceed.

[1:03:40] Voice 5: And actually,

[1:03:40] Voice 6: he owes Island's Trust a debt now.

[1:03:46] Voice 6: So as part of a legal opinion, I can ask whether or not Island's Trust wishes to,

[1:03:51] Voice 6: if they can seek that sale of the property now, they can pursue that debt

[1:03:56] Voice 6: and ask a judge to force a sale for him just to pay that small debt.

[1:04:00] Voice 6: I don't know how likely that is because it's a small debt,

[1:04:05] Voice 6: but Island's Trust could ask for the sale of that property now

[1:04:09] Voice 6: because he hasn't paid the current debt that's on the title but we're only

[1:04:13] Voice 4: talking tens of thousands

[1:04:14] Voice 4: of dollars the last week you're talking a couple of thousand dollars a minute yeah okay

[1:04:22] Voice 6: thank you thank you for your comments yeah and

[1:04:25] Voice 4: i do have a couple of further remarks from

[1:04:27] Voice 6: what

[1:04:28] Voice 4: occurred here now real and present danger i think that's what you said something that's

[1:04:34] Voice 4: nature it's important that that language be used in whatever you're always in charge of your

[1:04:40] Voice 4: that sentiment needs to be captured um i can't help but wonder because other people that i talk

[1:04:49] Voice 4: to say well why don't why don't you just sue them so and i realize you're not a lawyer you can't

[1:04:57] Voice 4: provide us legal advice but is there potential that this could be like a class action lawsuit

[1:05:02] Voice 4: for all of the people that literally there's we're talking millions probably millions of

[1:05:08] Voice 4: dollars of property value loss associated with what half a dozen maybe a dozen let's call it

[1:05:15] Voice 4: a dozen different properties or so that are named and sitting of course like you know and i this

[1:05:21] Voice 4: must be incredibly disturbing and i i can only say i'm sorry that i'm gonna maybe stimulate that

[1:05:28] Voice 4: a little bit because I want everybody to realize that you wake up in the middle of the night to a

[1:05:35] Voice 4: large explosion that subconsciously you know has come from your neighbor property and you get up

[1:05:41] Voice 4: out of your bed and you look out your window and 40 foot high inferno is burning next door to where

[1:05:52] Voice 4: where you live, where your treasures are,

[1:05:55] Voice 4: where your values are, it's horrendous.

[1:05:58] Voice 4: I would be horrified and terrified.

[1:06:04] Voice 6: Yeah, it's scary.

[1:06:05] Voice 6: It was really scary.

[1:06:06] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:06:08] Voice 6: So

[1:06:09] Voice 4: is there a potential for

[1:06:10] Voice 6: that kind of thing?

[1:06:11] Voice 6: Oh, that's legal advice.

[1:06:14] Voice 6: It's like getting into a mom's trust.

[1:06:15] Voice 6: Yeah, fair enough.

[1:06:17] Voice 6: The property owner should get their own legal advice on that.

[1:06:20] Voice 6: Yeah, fair enough.

[1:06:22] Voice 6: Okay, I accept that.

[1:06:24] Voice 6: Okay,

[1:06:28] Voice 4: so I think then the key here then is that I would move that the Thiebesson Local Trust Committee ask staff to seek legal opinion with

[1:06:43] Voice 6: respect to other options with respect to

[1:06:51] Voice 4: remediating the community threat on Lot 88, Thiebesson.

[1:06:57] Voice 4: Is that generally enough?

[1:06:59] Voice 4: sure

[1:07:00] Voice 6: i would i would say i would say i would say emergency threat emergency threat yes thank you

[1:07:07] Voice 6: yeah you have the remediation order you haven't been assessed

[1:07:14] Voice 6: you've got that order you need to know the other emergency options

[1:07:16] Voice 6: do we need to specify in their um the jurisdiction or the potential for other authorities well i

[1:07:25] Voice 4: think i made it broad so that you can act that and i know the local president i will actually

[1:07:32] Voice 4: take it up with the chair of the improvement district as well all

[1:07:35] Voice 6: right we've got a motion

[1:07:37] Voice 6: on the floor gonna is that seconded by jesse hunter and i'm ready for the discussion

[1:07:44] Voice 6: all those in favor that's carried thank you well thank you that's that's been a

[1:07:51] Voice 6: much need for discussion and thank you, Warren, for taking the time today.

[1:07:55] Voice 6: Thank you, Jill.

[1:07:57] Voice 6: All right, that's fair.

[1:08:04] Voice 6: Which is great. That's for two minutes if anybody needs a

[1:08:09] Voice 6: break. I just want to check the minute paper.

[1:08:15] Voice 6: Hello. Hi.

[1:08:17] Voice 6: Hi. Is everything good on your end?

[1:08:20] Voice 6: i'm not sure about the process including i can enter the link to that

[1:08:35] Voice 6: it's just it's so hard to find information like it's

[1:08:39] Voice 6: necessary

[1:08:50] Voice 6: So I think instead of a link to the minutes, maybe as correspondents, we'll just append the letter to the minutes.

[1:09:01] Voice 1: So you want to attach, what exactly do you want to attach to the minutes?

[1:09:07] Voice 1: The

[1:09:08] Voice 5: link is in the chat

[1:09:12] Voice 6: of the feedback on posting rates

[1:09:17] Voice 6: or out of the intentions paper.

[1:09:18] Voice 6: Oh, okay.

[1:09:20] Voice 6: And so it's just official correspondence from Lucy Allen's trust chair about this issue

[1:09:26] Voice 6: and includes some relevant information that the public might want to know about.

[1:09:31] Voice 6: Right.

[1:09:31] Voice 1: You're referring to the five letters that Trustee Luckham received from members of the public.

[1:09:37] Voice 6: No, I'm referring

[1:09:38] Voice 1: to

[1:09:39] Voice 6: a totally separate issue, the

[1:09:40] Voice 1: Anchorage's issue.

[1:09:42] Voice 1: Oh, OK. That's OK.

[1:09:44] Voice 1: And so

[1:09:45] Voice 1: the other issue about the five letters from Trustee Luckham?

[1:09:50] Voice 1: that email

[1:09:51] Voice 6: them to you.

[1:09:52] Voice 1: Oh, that would be great. Yeah.

[1:09:56] Voice 6: Okay. Yeah. Thanks, Catherine.

[1:10:02] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:10:24] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm kidding.

[1:10:26] Voice 5: The last

[1:10:35] Voice 6: It's called

[1:10:35] Voice 6: They call it GAPS, right?

[1:10:37] Voice 6: Gabriela against

[1:10:39] Voice 6: Crater and Grichens.

[1:10:42] Voice 5: They were thinking

[1:10:44] Voice 5: around that.

[1:10:45] Voice 5: It was

[1:10:47] Voice 6: unconfirmed, and I shouldn't have

[1:10:49] Voice 6: spoken.

[1:10:50] Voice 6: That's fine.

[1:10:52] Voice 6: What can I do with the lead?

[1:10:55] Voice 6: Ted Fullerton is the current lead on it.

[1:10:59] Voice 6: We lost a community member two years ago.

[1:11:01] Voice 6: He's a strong group.

[1:11:03] Voice 6: Very active on the app.

[1:11:04] Voice 6: He started that group.

[1:11:05] Voice 6: He did all the research.

[1:11:07] Voice 6: He understood

[1:11:08] Voice 6: the connection with transportation.

[1:11:11] Voice 6: It comes down to the inefficiency in the global freighter system.

[1:11:15] Voice 6: It's not actually an authority issue.

[1:11:18] Voice 6: you it's the fact there's inefficiencies that are causing those inefficiencies they'd just be

[1:11:26] Voice 6: cycling through dumping the stuff anyway so ted fullerton um i can connect you with him

[1:14:05] Voice 6: but it's

[1:14:06] Voice 6: our break to bring up the agenda and I'm going to move into minutes so local trust committee

[1:14:17] Voice 6: um Marlos could you grab me a copy of the agenda as well feels it's so much better to have a

[1:14:26] Voice 6: physical um so local trust committee meeting minutes dated February 28th uh 2023 for adoption

[1:14:32] Voice 6: they're on page three the line of the agenda are there any changes uh trustees or anything that

[1:14:37] Voice 6: you observed no okay so by general consent um we'll adopt those minutes yes um section 26

[1:14:45] Voice 6: resolution is without meaning that's listed there are no advisory planning commission minutes

[1:14:52] Voice 4: can i just ask you a question about the budget there um marlowe i don't know if you know um

[1:14:58] Voice 4: or not but i understand that the advisory planning commission has had an orientation session

[1:15:03] Voice 4: session and that's all gone fine and so thank you for that then yeah they did a

[1:15:10] Voice 3: joint orientation

[1:15:12] Voice 3: session with all the other APCs in

[1:15:14] Voice 4: the room right I did I understood that as well and that was

[1:15:18] Voice 4: interesting because a lot of folks were unsure why that was and I said well it's just efficiency and

[1:15:24] Voice 4: you all need to hear the same message and so did you have full attendance of the APC here it was

[1:15:30] Voice 3: It was led by Sonia Zyknak, and I'm not sure.

[1:15:34] Voice 3: Okay, thank you.

[1:15:35] Voice 3: I think that it wasn't fully attended.

[1:15:38] Voice 6: But that's okay.

[1:15:40] Voice 6: We'll see how that unfolds.

[1:15:41] Voice 6: I did hear from Pat.

[1:15:43] Voice 6: I heard from Pat.

[1:15:44] Voice 6: He said he was doing a degree.

[1:15:46] Voice 6: Oh, pretty great.

[1:15:48] Voice 6: Should make a note of that.

[1:15:50] Voice 6: We should.

[1:15:51] Voice 6: Excellent.

[1:15:51] Voice 6: Thank you, Pat, if you're listening.

[1:15:55] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:15:55] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:15:57] Voice 6: So business arrives here for the minutes.

[1:15:59] Voice 6: it's item 6.1 we have a follow-up action this day april 6th is there anything marlis that

[1:16:08] Voice 6: you might want to draw to our attention i think

[1:16:13] Voice 7: so if there's any

[1:16:14] Voice 6: questions i'm happy to answer

[1:16:16] Voice 6: them but i think everything on the list has been completed this is amazing lpc i've never seen this

[1:16:28] Voice 6: page 11 we're on the follow-up action list there's

[1:16:34] Voice 7: something in there that i was concerned

[1:16:38] Voice 7: so i

[1:16:44] Voice 4: just make a remark i guess really glad to see all these things completed

[1:16:51] Voice 4: and um obviously what's significant that will happen today is to turn to determine the nature

[1:17:01] Voice 4: based upon your report and determine the local trust committee project prioritization

[1:17:06] Voice 4: and active projects will set the stage for what we're going to do next so we're in a great

[1:17:14] Voice 4: position we're prepared ideally to make those advancements okay so i'm just kind of thinking

[1:17:20] Voice 4: out loud there yeah um but we've got the shoreline report that's in our back pocket so if we want to

[1:17:26] Voice 4: pursue that that we have the information started anyway okay

[1:17:30] Voice 4: i'm good okay um where did i see

[1:17:33] Voice 4: something about um what is it 49 for the mexican that is in the um further down and that's the

[1:17:43] Voice 4: family yeah and um that um is uh on our standing resolutions where we advise by law enforcement not

[1:17:54] Voice 4: to enforce until we uh found a mechanism to resolve we're going to get to that here

[1:17:58] Voice 4: okay

[1:17:59] Voice 6: and in fact we're going to get to that next no we

[1:18:06] Voice 4: just passed over that resolution

[1:18:07] Voice 4: yeah no

[1:18:08] Voice 4: i'm sorry standing resolutions where are they um

[1:18:16] Voice 6: okay thank you so we'll move on to item seven applications and referrals

[1:18:23] Voice 6: we have brought this back and the bylaw or OCP bylaw number 108 and land use bylaw number 109

[1:18:36] Voice 6: is here for adoption. So page 13 to 26. And Lana McCargar, can you take us through this?

[1:18:47] Voice 6: We've seen this before, but yeah, going

[1:18:50] Voice 3: again for round two. Yeah, three. Okay.

[1:18:53] Voice 3: yeah so this is pretty much a recycled report from the last meeting um where these were brought

[1:19:00] Voice 3: forward for adoption and then it was deferred um this has been a priority project of the ltc

[1:19:06] Voice 3: since 2010 so it's been a long-standing project and um the purpose is really to

[1:19:15] Voice 3: bring the land use bylaw ocp into compliance with the riparian areas protection regulation

[1:19:21] Voice 6: regulation wrapper. Just a

[1:19:27] Voice 3: brief summary of the proposed by-law 108. It sets out amendments to

[1:19:33] Voice 3: the official community plan. It provides context rationale for protection and delineates the

[1:19:40] Voice 3: location of the DPA, the development permit area. And then the land use by-law, if adopted,

[1:19:46] Voice 3: sets out amendments to the heat asylum land use by-law that lists the applicable development

[1:19:53] Voice 3: activities, exempted activities, and prescribes the guidelines that must be met with the development

[1:19:58] Voice 3: permit can be approved. And I just want to reiterate again that this is the final step

[1:20:04] Voice 3: of the process. So all previously the public hearing referrals have been sent out. It was

[1:20:11] Voice 3: sent to executive committee and to the minister and it's been given all those approvals and this

[1:20:17] Voice 3: was really just the last step if um if the ltc would like to uh defer again or

[1:20:30] Voice 3: look at any new information then this would be subject to the legislative requirements

[1:20:37] Voice 3: to go through the process again so

[1:20:40] Voice 6: we've seen this before um we deferred it um on the request

[1:20:45] Voice 6: of trustee hunter to request more information trustee hunter are you satisfied do you have any

[1:20:50] Voice 6: comments or questions you're not going to like this okay but uh i i took another look i did

[1:21:00] Voice 6: talk to marley's on the phone and i thought i was happy with it but then on 11.1.3 on page 23

[1:21:09] Voice 6: the exempted activities i think that should include what is in the drone report there's

[1:21:17] Voice 6: There's a sentence or two in there, which are intended activities, and I think it should be in this section.

[1:21:29] Voice 6: And I'll read it.

[1:21:30] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:21:31] Voice 6: It's on the bill, the report.

[1:21:33] Voice 6: It's on my phone.

[1:21:34] Voice 7: Sure.

[1:21:35] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:21:36] Voice 6: On section 1.2, on page 3 of their report, dated January 8, 2019, it says,

[1:21:44] Voice 6: It is also important to note that the regulation does not apply to farming-related activities

[1:21:52] Voice 6: consistent with the Right to Farm Act, common institutional development proposals, or forestry

[1:22:01] Voice 6: activities on private land governed by the Private Managed Forest Land Act, or on woodlot

[1:22:09] Voice 6: or tree farm licenses managed under the Forest Act.

[1:22:13] Voice 6: and i really think that should be included in here because it's important partly because there

[1:22:19] Voice 6: is a management force on the assignment and uh there may be some interest in institutional

[1:22:27] Voice 6: development and if it's not specific in here then will it be necessarily part of what is allowed

[1:22:38] Okay.

[1:22:38] And I apologize for not noticing it in time to have it for the meeting, although

[1:22:46] Voice 6: can we

[1:22:47] Voice 6: just put that in there?

[1:22:49] Voice 6: My understanding is not at this point.

[1:22:51] Voice 6: It would have to go through the entire legislative process again, including community information

[1:22:56] Voice 6: meetings and-

[1:22:57] Voice 6: Well,

[1:22:58] Voice 4: what do you people think?

[1:22:59] Voice 6: Rewriting.

[1:23:00] Voice 6: I mean-

[1:23:01] Voice 4: I'm not trying

[1:23:02] Voice 6: to hold this up, believe me.

[1:23:03] Voice 6: No, it's a great question, and thank you for your-

[1:23:06] Voice 6: research into this so where this dpa would apply the exempted activities you're suggesting

[1:23:15] Voice 6: we need to include well that's farming related activities institutional development proposals

[1:23:25] Voice 6: forestry so

[1:23:27] Voice 4: yeah um it is a bad practice to my

[1:23:34] Voice 4: My understanding is that it's bad practice to include in our own regulations those regulations of another body that precede whatever regulation we have.

[1:23:47] Voice 4: So those very things that you quoted there are covered in other provincial regulation of which we have no authority.

[1:23:56] Voice 4: And typically, we don't include other – in fact, there was a big fuss about it when we did the OCP last time around, was to get rid of all these things that say – and, you know, the fire department and the Water Act and all these things, because it's not relevant to our local language, rather.

[1:24:18] Voice 4: And, you know, just through the chair,

[1:24:20] Voice 6: a little bit more courage on that from staff.

[1:24:22] Voice 6: Yeah. So if we let this stand as it is, you're saying that a person, if they have

[1:24:28] Voice 4: a PMFL, for instance, it supersedes it.

[1:24:32] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:24:33] Voice 4: Or it's enforced or whatever.

[1:24:35] Voice 6: So this would be a redundancy then?

[1:24:37] Voice 6: Exactly.

[1:24:38] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:24:39] Voice 3: Through the chair, I think that's what the report is stating when we're looking back at a report from 2019.

[1:24:45] Voice 3: The way I'm reading it is that the regulation does not need to apply because there are these.

[1:24:52] Voice 3: it's the right department.

[1:24:53] Voice 6: I wouldn't

[1:24:53] Voice 3: say they know, I guess.

[1:24:55] Voice 6: You just want to make sure it's covered

[1:24:57] Voice 6: and it seems that it is.

[1:24:59] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:25:01] Voice 6: Are you satisfied

[1:25:02] Voice 6: with the questions?

[1:25:03] Voice 6: Well, the other problem

[1:25:05] Voice 6: is that I can't vote in favor

[1:25:07] Voice 6: of it. Okay.

[1:25:09] Voice 6: So why is that? Or you don't have to say

[1:25:11] Voice 6: why in other events.

[1:25:13] Voice 6: Why? Because I just don't believe

[1:25:16] Voice 6: that there are fish

[1:25:17] Voice 6: in America.

[1:25:19] Voice 6: There is a potential for fish.

[1:25:25] Voice 6: Well, I think that's an inappropriate statement.

[1:25:27] Voice 6: Well,

[1:25:28] Voice 4: that's what you put fat animals in their engagement.

[1:25:34] Voice 4: You're

[1:25:35] Voice 6: saying somebody put it there, and I think that's right.

[1:25:38] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:25:41] Voice 6: But it was not an bankruptcy report on the fish.

[1:25:44] We didn't know what it was.

[1:25:47] Voice 6: We had no idea.

[1:25:48] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:25:48] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:25:49] Voice 6: So it's still there.

[1:25:52] Voice 6: Indeed.

[1:25:54] Voice 7: Well, if the

[1:25:56] Voice 6: fish hadn't been there, I'm

[1:25:59] Voice 6: a little lost,

[1:26:05] Voice 6: I have to say.

[1:26:09] Voice 6: It's fish burying streams and watercourses, but if they're fish, they're fish burying.

[1:26:17] Voice 6: Does it matter where the fish came from?

[1:26:19] Voice 6: It doesn't

[1:26:20] Voice 6: matter where the fish came from.

[1:26:22] Voice 6: It just happens to be that the fish was seen.

[1:26:25] Voice 6: Ah, okay.

[1:26:28] Voice 6: Fair enough.

[1:26:30] Voice 4: all right yes i'll move the theater sound local trust agreement by the one of eight

[1:26:35] Voice 4: side of this the seat is out official committee plan 2021 amendment number one 2020 be adopted

[1:26:43] Voice 6: i have the motion on the floor you have a seconder i'm the second the motion is there

[1:26:50] Voice 6: any further discussion no all those in favor that is carried thank you all right can i be

[1:26:57] Voice 6: written down as opposed to it you may we will all note that trustee hunter is uh proposed

[1:27:05] Voice 4: and that would be recorded and

[1:27:07] Voice 6: that would be recorded in minutes thank you sir

[1:27:09] Voice 4: so i'll move then that the tsa trust committee by number 109 say cited as the theodosian language

[1:27:15] Voice 4: bio 2011 amendment number one 2020 being adopted okay

[1:27:21] Voice 6: uh any seconders on the motion

[1:27:24] Voice 6: i'll take the motion any further discussion no all those in favor and that is carried

[1:27:31] Voice 6: rusty hunter which is to record his opposition and let that be recorded in the minutes captured

[1:27:40] Voice 6: thank you i am

[1:27:42] Voice 4: grateful to all the staff and everybody and indeed to ian ralston

[1:27:47] Voice 4: the developer of the property and the residents of that property that we managed to get through

[1:27:54] Voice 1: this finally

[1:27:54] Voice 4: um and we can simply move on with other things this is a provincial regulation for

[1:27:59] Voice 4: which we have to comply thank you thank you ken for your opposition uh respective but we gotta

[1:28:07] Voice 4: move on okay

[1:28:08] Voice 6: so the next item is um 8.1 local trust committee project prioritization this is

[1:28:15] Voice 6: looking for the future what do does this trust committee want to do um so again i'll turn to

[1:28:22] Voice 6: to staff to take us through this and thank you for this report it's really excellent thank you

[1:28:29] Voice 3: so this was came out of the last meeting where the ltc just wanted

[1:28:32] Voice 6: a bit more information

[1:28:33] Voice 3: to guide them through the discussion the top priority projects for this term

[1:28:40] Voice 3: and you know looking at the fiscal year as well

[1:28:44] Voice 3: um i broke it down on page 28

[1:28:49] Voice 6: looking

[1:28:50] Voice 3: at what would be minor what would be major and just as a bit of a refresher the criteria for

[1:28:57] Voice 3: a minor project is any project that's anticipated to require a budget of under five thousand dollars

[1:29:04] Voice 3: in any given fiscal year and to initiate a minor project the ltc must endorse a project charter and

[1:29:11] Voice 3: request access to the funds that's really just passing a motion i recommend when i review that

[1:29:20] Voice 3: i recommend um that the ltc begin with minor projects to look at the unzoned marine areas

[1:29:33] Voice 3: and then once that is complete look at the development

[1:29:35] Voice 6: of the soil deposit and removal

[1:29:37] Voice 6: by law and then as

[1:29:41] Voice 3: just a reminder uh business cases for major projects are projects that are

[1:29:48] Voice 3: anticipated to require a budget of over 5 000 of any fiscal and these are typically going to

[1:29:54] Voice 3: be supported by a planner from the regional planning team required to have a business case

[1:30:00] Voice 3: approved by Trust Council.

[1:30:02] Voice 3: And if this LTC is interested in moving forward with that,

[1:30:05] Voice 3: this is a really good time

[1:30:07] Voice 3: to start developing the business case.

[1:30:10] Voice 3: And then the draft would be done by summer

[1:30:13] Voice 3: and it would be kind of in line

[1:30:16] Voice 6: to go to Trust Council

[1:30:18] Voice 6: for the end of, in

[1:30:20] Voice 3: December, 2023.

[1:30:24] Voice 3: The LTC is, each LPC has allowed one active minor project

[1:30:30] Voice 3: and one active major project.

[1:30:33] Voice 3: at any given time that's kind of it but if you have any kind of questions i did you know this

[1:30:41] Voice 3: is really rough estimate in terms of budget and timelines but i just sort

[1:30:47] Voice 3: of did my best

[1:30:48] Voice 3: to estimate

[1:30:49] Voice 3: here yeah

[1:30:51] Voice 7: no this is great so

[1:30:56] Voice 6: if yeah trustees i'll turn it over to you what's

[1:31:01] Voice 6: what are your thoughts on looking at this scope of these projects and the prioritization

[1:31:26] Voice 6: It would really

[1:31:34] Voice 3: be up to the LTC to shape the project.

[1:31:37] Voice 3: So this is the general idea that was just one project priority that was identified by the LTC

[1:31:45] Voice 3: and then if this is what the LTC choose to move forward with we would work together to develop

[1:31:51] Voice 3: the project charter, the scope of the project, the rationale, the research behind it so that

[1:31:58] Voice 6: would be put together but that hasn't been said yet. Okay yeah

[1:32:03] Voice 4: maybe I'll just speak to that.

[1:32:05] Voice 4: thanks for that great that's a really good question because indeed

[1:32:09] Voice 4: we will own this and we can craft it to meet our needs and what i perceive as the community

[1:32:17] Voice 4: need in all this is the limitations and restrictions that presently exist in search

[1:32:22] Voice 4: of accomplishment and the farm here jolly farm wants to facilitate a community composting

[1:32:30] Voice 4: function and ability and others may want to do the same thing and presently that is restricted

[1:32:35] Voice 4: and it's my understanding is that the avenue to allow that is through a soil removal and deposit

[1:32:42] Voice 4: so the composted soil could be moved to and from any property for that that's

[1:32:49] Voice 6: i think that will

[1:32:50] Voice 6: support a local okay and it doesn't need to be any more so i'm excited about that

[1:33:00] Voice 6: something significant change um and then i'm going to do anything else well i mean

[1:33:11] Voice 6: yeah that doesn't include like horse manure i don't want to be ridiculous here but i mean we

[1:33:16] Voice 6: just got a truckload of horses from bill's farm so that we're not talking about that kind of thing

[1:33:22] Voice 6: i think there's potential so we want to make sure that people are good and legal

[1:33:27] Voice 6: little bit of this yeah i don't know what it is no

[1:33:31] Voice 4: yeah there are some limitations

[1:33:33] Voice 4: that's become apparent so this will give us the ability to regulate it

[1:33:38] Voice 4: we

[1:33:38] Voice 6: can have our list of exempted and included activities so there'll be ample time so um

[1:33:49] Voice 6: are you suggesting this would be the second minor project um and we're basically looking to

[1:33:56] Voice 6: prioritize the first minor one for this year which you think we could get done 2024 if it's the ocp

[1:34:05] Voice 6: land use bylaw amendments um if we choose the soil deposit and removal bylaw we're looking at

[1:34:12] Voice 6: even oh you're looking at again summer 2024.

[1:34:16] Voice 4: yeah so i i'm in support of what one the original

[1:34:21] Voice 4: motion that we made back in our last meeting regarding the three priorities and i'm in support

[1:34:26] Voice 4: of staff's recommendation that we take on the unzoned green area as a as our first minor project

[1:34:33] Voice 4: and and then ideally we'll move through that as effectively as we can and then we

[1:34:38] Voice 4: move this over also um and and indeed uh this uh prepared draft for a major project through

[1:34:47] Voice 4: with the regional planning body

[1:34:50] Voice 4: that will continue the conversation

[1:34:52] Voice 4: about natural and natural protection

[1:34:53] Voice 4: which has been ongoing for quite a few years.

[1:34:58] Voice 4: So I'm in total support of that.

[1:34:59] Voice 4: What I do have is a question

[1:35:00] Voice 4: with respect to the Enzone Marine Area Review Project.

[1:35:04] Voice 4: I know, and I should know actually,

[1:35:07] Voice 4: but I just want to clarify,

[1:35:10] Voice 4: is in some situations

[1:35:11] Voice 4: where there's public hearing requirements

[1:35:15] Voice 4: for OCP amendments,

[1:35:17] Voice 4: independence where the LTC believes that in the interest of the community that we can forego

[1:35:23] Voice 4: public hearing I mean in

[1:35:24] Voice 4: order to speed up the process do you think that's a potential

[1:35:27] Voice 4: possibility with the sun's own marine land it's all it's administrative really I

[1:35:32] Voice 3: believe it could

[1:35:33] Voice 3: be yeah that was my thinking when I was kind of looking at a tighter

[1:35:37] Voice 4: timeline awesome that's great

[1:35:39] Voice 4: because I'd like to see that because I don't want to spend a lot of time on it but it's something

[1:35:45] Voice 4: that we should do and you identified that so that's great so i'm prepared to advance those

[1:35:50] Voice 4: motions maybe ken you want to wing that okay we're talking about the recommendation here yeah

[1:35:56] Voice 6: on page 27

[1:35:57] Voice 4: if you want to roll

[1:35:58] Voice 6: it together or separately i move that to see some local trust

[1:36:03] Voice 6: committee request that can be prepared for that project in turn that can be set up in

[1:36:08] Voice 6: we picked up for a fiscal year minor project titled i'm joined for any area with you

[1:36:14] Voice 6: any further discussion well

[1:36:20] Voice 4: just i assume without further discussion that when you come back with

[1:36:24] Voice 4: that charter that the charter would maybe indicate that obviously we need to decide

[1:36:29] Voice 4: but that would indicate that public care must yes

[1:36:32] Voice 6: thank you okay good

[1:36:33] Voice 6: okay i'm good

[1:36:35] Voice 4: Are

[1:36:36] Voice 6: we satisfied? All those in favor? And that is carried. Wonderful. Trustee Hunter, did you go for the next one?

[1:36:45] Voice 1: I

[1:36:45] Voice 6: move that it be resolved. The trust committee requests that the paradigm change case for a 2021-2025 fiscal year major project

[1:36:54] Voice 6: be decided on a shoreline and coastal protection review project.

[1:36:59] Voice 6: Excellent. I'll second it.

[1:37:01] Voice 6: Seconded by Trustee Luckham. Any further discussion?

[1:37:06] Voice 6: Okay. All those in favor? That is carried. Well done. Thank you. It's nice to have a plan for the future. We know what we're doing.

[1:37:20] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm just kind of thinking here about the shoreline coastal protection review.

[1:37:25] Voice 4: you um clearly as the coastal marine strategy evolves we'll want to be embracing that of

[1:37:32] Voice 4: concepts

[1:37:33] Voice 6: into um the work that's new yeah and perhaps waiting a year is going to be beneficial

[1:37:43] Voice 6: because we're getting more information on what that strategy might look like i think they're

[1:37:49] Voice 6: moving more quickly on it than government needs want to do because i don't know

[1:37:54] Voice 6: i felt there was

[1:37:56] Voice 6: some urgency there um okay so we've got no delegations um we have correspondence that

[1:38:06] Voice 6: so i'm going to add the five pieces that um you'll pass on to me five

[1:38:12] Voice 4: pieces um

[1:38:13] Voice 6: provide

[1:38:14] Voice 4: a copy tomorrow i can provide the electronic

[1:38:19] Voice 4: okay yeah and then also

[1:38:22] Voice 4: the letter from the chair to minister regarding the coastal industry yeah

[1:38:33] Voice 6: great um new business freedom of information protection of privacy bylaw

[1:38:45] Voice 6: So this I'll notice to bring us into compliant with current legislation and provide the schedule

[1:38:52] Voice 6: of fees.

[1:38:54] Voice 6: So I'm happy to make a motion to be trustee and to be familiar with the rationale for

[1:39:03] this.

[1:39:05] I'm not, but it

[1:39:06] Voice 4: seems pretty straightforward.

[1:39:10] Voice 4: So, I'll move that the Theodosian Local Trust Committee bylaw number 112, cited as the Theodosian

[1:39:14] Voice 4: Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information Protection and Privacy, bylaw number 112-2023,

[1:39:19] Voice 4: be given first, second, and third reading.

[1:39:24] Voice 6: Seconded by Trustee Hunter.

[1:39:26] Voice 6: Hold any further discussion?

[1:39:27] Voice 6: Nope.

[1:39:28] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[1:39:29] Voice 6: That is carried.

[1:39:30] Voice 4: So, I'll further move that the Theodosian Local Trust Committee bylaw number 112, cited

[1:39:34] Voice 4: as the Theodosian Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information Protection and Privacy, bylaw

[1:39:38] Voice 4: 2, 3, be awarded to the Secretary of the Trust for approval by the Executive Committee.

[1:39:44] Voice 6: Seconded by Trustee Hunter. Any discussion? All those in favor? And carried. Wonderful.

[1:39:50] Voice 6: Fast forward key two, three.

[1:39:53] Voice 4: I'm grateful to David Plowler for getting this out.

[1:39:57] Voice 6: Exactly. Okay, page 38. We have no trust conservancy report. I can give a verbal update

[1:40:07] Voice 6: if there's interest yes please

[1:40:11] Voice 6: well we have had i believe one conservancy meeting since this

[1:40:17] Voice 6: body met i'm just thinking to look at my notes again so many notes um so we've approved a work

[1:40:28] Voice 6: plan um recognition that okay sorry let's just get back down to okay yes um there was quite a

[1:40:40] Voice 6: up in a discussion on the attention space paper for the bc coastal marine strategy our vice chair

[1:40:46] Voice 6: reese smith um attended the province's uh session which other trustees were allowed to have a special

[1:40:53] Voice 6: session and she uh was very impressed with the water security strategy and fund uh that was

[1:41:00] Voice 6: released at the meeting and the work on six outcomes uh for this bc coastal marine strategy

[1:41:06] Voice 6: IG that's developed together with First Nations and this is something I think the Conservancy

[1:41:11] Voice 6: is going to pick up again we haven't had any input on ocean protection for a few years and so

[1:41:24] Voice 6: we're going to be raising that as an issue through the Conservancy

[1:41:27] Voice 6: safe um so our march 14th itc board meeting our plan we landed on pausing on climate change

[1:41:40] Voice 6: phase two uh just due to capacity issues and our reconciliation action plan we're waiting on that

[1:41:48] Voice 6: until we get a what is the new term it's not a senior intergovernmental policy advisor that

[1:41:53] Voice 6: the role has been changed to it's another title but um that's imminent to be filled and then once

[1:42:00] Voice 6: that person's in place and set up some strategic initiatives we can complete our reconciliation

[1:42:07] Voice 6: action plan so um securing land to protect is it's still a high level priority um

[1:42:18] Voice 6: um and some capacity and sort of administration and work that's needed to because as we get more

[1:42:26] Voice 6: land to protect there's more management plans needed so we just need to give staff a breathing

[1:42:31] Voice 6: room to get up to to speed on um on administration that's sort of been needing to be um addressed

[1:42:41] Voice 6: addressed after COVID. Anyway, we're in good shape. I don't

[1:42:45] Voice 6: really know what else to report. It's been a long time since that

[1:42:48] Voice 6: meeting. Apologies. But get in touch with me if you want. And

[1:42:53] Voice 6: when you think about the Conservancy, and I'll try to put

[1:42:56] Voice 6: the right information in your path.

[1:43:00] Voice 6: I have a question about the Conservancy from someone on the

[1:43:04] Voice 6: asylum drug test in New York City building. He wants to know

[1:43:10] Voice 6: what what is the status of the conservancy fund the reason land purchases being filed

[1:43:18] Voice 6: with the landowner transparency register does that make any sense so have recent purchases

[1:43:25] Voice 6: yes well i guess it would be purchases or acquisitions

[1:43:33] Voice 6: it's okay recent purchases or acquisitions been

[1:43:37] Voice 6: if you can forward that to me i'll send it on to our

[1:43:51] Voice 6: manager kate emmings and she can get in touch with them directly

[1:43:54] Voice 6: that'd be great i

[1:43:55] Voice 4: agree but there have been no recent

[1:43:57] Voice 6: acquisitions on secrets

[1:43:59] Voice 6: this well there was very slipper uh that's not recent that's right years old well i mean i think

[1:44:08] Voice 6: uh christina who did that i don't know okay well link islands i guess is the most recent acquisition

[1:44:17] Voice 6: landowner transparency

[1:44:21] Voice 6: okay not sure what that's referring to i'm not sure

[1:44:24] Voice 6: and there's okay but i'm hooked up on that okay so should we take it then then the minutes that

[1:44:32] Voice 6: you will afford about to pay to connect trustee so applications report dated april 6th um

[1:44:45] Voice 6: we have any okay so that's still in process um trustee local expense reports you'll find on page

[1:44:56] Voice 6: 39. I'm doing fairly well. Good job, everyone. Don't spend too much money. That's the last

[1:45:02] Voice 6: one for this year. And adopted policies and standing resolutions. So I keep bringing up

[1:45:11] Voice 6: this question. You have number six, our reconciliation and engagement standing

[1:45:19] Voice 6: resolution. I know that we're getting a letter that's been in process for a long time.

[1:45:24] Voice 6: which

[1:45:25] Voice 1: one can talk sorry

[1:45:25] Voice 6: down on page 41 or six okay so just the the letter of introduction to

[1:45:34] Voice 6: first nations could could you give me an update on what sort of where we're at with relationship

[1:45:41] Voice 6: building locally and i know there was some big meetings and did you have the c2c funding yeah

[1:45:47] Voice 6: used here for understanding common interests okay and um in fact it's interesting i ran into

[1:46:01] Voice 4: chief thomas last month yesterday in the restaurant they didn't find my feelings and

[1:46:07] Voice 4: you get together for lunch sometime he was open to that um and the conversation around the

[1:46:16] Voice 4: mary perry doc um we did manage to engage with chief brown on that and that was also a good

[1:46:23] Voice 4: conversation um and

[1:46:27] Voice 7: uh councillor thomas the contact that we

[1:46:33] Voice 4: doug fenton in fact pastoral

[1:46:36] Voice 4: scene is cultivated so that doorway is open but there's

[1:46:41] Voice 6: certainly a lot more work we can do okay

[1:46:43] Voice 6: um i don't have any specific direction this time but yeah so well perhaps when this letter

[1:46:52] Voice 6: uh comes out introducing a new trustee yeah and we could

[1:46:58] Voice 6: yeah request to to have a meeting so that we can explore any concerns that the nation has

[1:47:06] Voice 6: and how we put together that would be fantastic

[1:47:09] Voice 4: okay um and i think that that is contingent at

[1:47:12] Voice 4: this point and then in fact i think the position has been renamed but what was being the governmental

[1:47:17] Voice 4: liaison it was now going to be called the aboriginal nations or something exactly

[1:47:28] Voice 6: senior intergovernmental relations sierra i think

[1:47:33] Voice 4: yeah anyway that

[1:47:34] Voice 4: when that position is filled

[1:47:36] Voice 4: that would i think be a coordinated approach to ensure that the nations aren't getting

[1:47:42] Voice 4: a ton of replicated correspondence

[1:47:57] Voice 6: I think I was present and suspended the enforcement action and I see down there and there's two

[1:48:09] unless it is on the local trust committee extends the effective

[1:48:14] Voice 6: date from July 30th 2019

[1:48:17] Voice 6: that's been a temporary use permit review on this property

[1:48:23] Voice 6: So we're four years past the deadline.

[1:48:25] Voice 6: We are.

[1:48:26] Voice 6: And I don't know if it's been any use for that.

[1:48:32] Voice 6: Is it still being used for that?

[1:48:33] Voice 6: What?

[1:48:35] Voice 6: Yes, for ferry.

[1:48:36] Voice 6: Totally.

[1:48:37] Okay, good.

[1:48:38] And I don't know if I did mention this in public or not,

[1:48:42] Voice 6: but someone brought it to my attention

[1:48:44] Voice 6: that if I look at my phone,

[1:48:46] Voice 6: I will see if they advertise on that property

[1:48:51] Voice 6: as a tourist destination.

[1:48:53] Voice 6: Really?

[1:48:58] Voice 6: So, I mean, people are coming up to me as a trustee and saying, why is this going on

[1:49:05] Voice 6: and why are you allowing it?

[1:49:07] Voice 6: And it says that nothing in this enforcement policy should be interpreted as giving permission

[1:49:13] Voice 6: to any part of your biodegradable land.

[1:49:17] Voice 7: But in truth, we

[1:49:19] Voice 6: are giving them permission.

[1:49:21] Voice 6: But it's non-tourist.

[1:49:23] Voice 6: Yeah, well.

[1:49:23] Voice 6: Well, so then the bylaw enforcement could act on that.

[1:49:32] Voice 4: So what needs to happen there is the person that's provided that information needs to file a complaint, if they wish, and bylaw enforcement will follow up on it.

[1:49:43] Voice 5: So what are we going to try?

[1:49:46] Voice 5: Well,

[1:49:46] Voice 4: you've raised a

[1:49:47] Voice 6: good point there.

[1:49:48] Voice 6: Temporary use permit review? What does that mean?

[1:49:51] Voice 6: They have

[1:49:52] Voice 6: to apply for a temporary use permit.

[1:49:53] Voice 6: so it's outstanding they don't have a temporary use permit but we're not enforcing the unregulated

[1:50:02] Voice 6: use of that because it's for ferry workers but now but that's the condition so if it's being

[1:50:08] Voice 6: used for tourist accommodation and advertised as such somebody could complain and say this is not

[1:50:15] Voice 6: a lawful use that's not what we've approved or were well should we extend the period to like say

[1:50:24] Voice 4: 2035 or something well i wouldn't necessarily do that if there's other illegal activities

[1:50:31] Voice 6: well

[1:50:41] Voice 6: yes yeah no thank you trustee but i mean just saying it you know fair is fair and people say

[1:50:49] Voice 6: to me well yeah yeah yeah well i mean a conversation could be had if they want to

[1:50:56] Voice 6: come into compliance to be able to maintain the commercial use for ferry workers which were

[1:51:03] Voice 6: allowing yes then um that conversation is about maintaining the respect and in truth i did not

[1:51:16] Voice 6: try and apply for uh a room there so it could be an

[1:51:19] Voice 6: old it could be an old outdated more or less

[1:51:22] Voice 6: It's absolutely okay. I'm not saying

[1:51:25] Voice 6: that it is important. Okay, we don't know and you're not gonna initiate. Okay. Okay. So it's not an issue right now, but something to keep an eye on.

[1:51:38] Voice 6: That's good. Thank you so much for the chair.

[1:51:41] Voice 3: When you do have community members come to you, you can always suggest that they put forward a bylaw enforcement complaint through the website, and then that goes to Warren, and he can investigate and decide if it's an issue or not.

[1:51:57] Voice 6: Thanks for raising that, because I wasn't aware of the issue, but it's good to know.

[1:52:04] Voice 6: Okay, so local trust committee webpage. Are you two writing little updates for your community, or it's such a small...

[1:52:12] Voice 6: occasionally yeah

[1:52:13] Voice 6: okay it's

[1:52:15] Voice 4: an e-sports thing that happens

[1:52:17] Voice 4: e-sports that's what it's called oh it used to be a telephone wheel and so somebody it was called a

[1:52:23] Voice 4: wagon wheel or

[1:52:24] Voice 4: something and so then what it's called spokes back then and so then we got into

[1:52:28] Voice 4: electronic road with expo e-sports really

[1:52:31] Voice 6: yeah and that's the fetus

[1:52:32] Voice 4: island that's the fetus island

[1:52:34] Voice 4: uh

[1:52:34] Voice 6: -huh i want to know all the

[1:52:38] Voice 4: fact it went down for a while because the company that was supporting

[1:52:41] Voice 4: the email address list had some issues

[1:52:45] Voice 4: and didn't want to do it anymore.

[1:52:47] Voice 4: And so we ended up in this kind of weird Facebook world,

[1:52:50] Voice 4: which nobody actually really wants to be in.

[1:52:53] Voice 4: And so now it

[1:52:54] Voice 4: looks like they fixed us

[1:52:55] Voice 4: and we're back at e-books again.

[1:52:56] Voice 6: Oh, great.

[1:52:57] Voice 4: We have to start paying more.

[1:52:59] Voice 4: You have to subscribe to it.

[1:53:01] Voice 4: And then I'm just, I think, subscribed to it.

[1:53:04] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:53:04] Voice 6: I hope that's the description.

[1:53:06] Voice 4: Oh, you can get it.

[1:53:07] Voice 6: Excellent.

[1:53:08] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:53:08] Voice 6: This is why I ask questions.

[1:53:13] Voice 6: okay thank you and so work program we've uh sort of approved our active projects

[1:53:19] Voice 6: uh yeah

[1:53:21] Voice 7: and

[1:53:22] Voice 6: we're getting underway with that so if there's anything to

[1:53:27] Voice 6: over that all is looking in line so anything else other than announcing the next upcoming meeting

[1:53:35] Voice 6: regular meeting scheduled for tuesday july 4th 2023 at 9 30 a.m and it will be electronic

[1:53:43] Voice 6: very sad about because i want to come back to you so i might just have to stay out here

[1:53:47] Voice 6: you can come down

[1:53:48] Voice 4: you're a little both yes i'm

[1:53:51] Voice 4: excited july would be the best time to do it

[1:53:55] Voice 6: perfect okay is there any further uh last words folks nope and by general consent we will adjourn

[1:54:04] Voice 6: at 11 34 right thank you everybody

[1:54:08] Voice 6: who attended and watched and participated today thank you

[1:54:13] Voice 6: i'm just going to stop streaming somehow oh i i don't know why i don't have these

[1:54:27] Voice 6: abilities

[1:54:27] Voice 1: it's very strange i just had a couple questions for clarity yeah i'm gonna stop

[1:54:34] Voice 6: streaming so well if you're watching there's no buttons to stop streaming here so somebody needs

[1:54:40] Voice 6: needs to go

[1:54:41] Voice 1: ahead oh yeah um unfortunately trustee hunter's voice was a bit warbled when he opposed

[1:54:47] Voice 1: the riparian motions and i didn't understand the gist of the point of his opposition

[1:54:53] Voice 1: um i didn't quite catch it so i don't think he articulated

[1:55:00] Voice 6: why he just wanted it recorded that

[1:55:04] Voice 6: he opposed. Okay. The

[1:55:07] Voice 1: other point of clarity is the bundle of letters that Trustee Luckham received.

[1:55:13] Voice 1: There were five of them, I understand, from members of the Thetis public,

[1:55:18] Voice 1: and there was one letter that he referred to that Trustee Luckham sent to, I'm not sure who he sent

[1:55:25] Voice 1: it to, and the date.

[1:55:27] Voice 6: That is the Coastal Marine

[1:55:29] Voice 6: Strategy Intentions Paper Letter, which is,

[1:55:32] Voice 6: the link is in the chat the coastal green that's

[1:55:37] Voice 4: actually from the chair of council yeah

[1:55:43] Voice 6: okay it's just for information on because of questions

[1:55:48] Voice 6: that came up so um that published

[1:55:51] Voice 6: on the website and we could just okay

[1:55:54] Voice 1: i'll look that up then put

[1:55:55] Voice 6: it in the minutes the um

[1:55:57] Voice 6: but the link is there

[1:55:59] Voice 1: i can email it to you if that's easier um i did catch the link

[1:56:03] Voice 1: I just thought there was maybe a personal letter but it wasn't okay thank

[1:56:10] Voice 6: you thanks Catherine for

[1:56:13] Voice 6: your excellent work and I see Will's back online can you somehow take us out of this streaming

[1:56:18] Voice 6: world I

[1:56:19] Voice 2: just wanted to let you know all you have to do is end the meeting and it

[1:56:23] Voice 2: will uh it'll stop

[1:56:25] Voice 2: automatically uh thank you

[1:56:27] Voice 2: so much no great

[1:56:28] Voice 7: bye we'll

[1:56:30] Voice 7: see you back in Gabriela bye