South Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, June 3, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 11: to pay attention to the computer and speaker here.

[0:00:05] Voice 11: Hopefully you can hear.

[0:00:06] Voice 11: I think our volume is pretty much maxed out.

[0:00:09] Voice 11: So you want to start, Toby?

[0:00:11] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:00:13] Voice 13: Good afternoon, everybody.

[0:00:18] Voice 6: I apologize for not being there in person

[0:00:22] Voice 6: and thank you for all attending today

[0:00:25] Voice 6: on a beautiful Saturday.

[0:00:26] Voice 6: Can you hear me okay?

[0:00:27] Voice 6: okay

[0:00:28] Voice 7: yes yes oh

[0:00:30] Voice 6: wow okay um so we're trying this uh a bit of a remote format um just seeing as how

[0:00:38] Voice 6: saturday saturdays were a bit untenable to get to south pender so i appreciate your flexibility

[0:00:44] Voice 6: i'm calling in from gabriola island nanamuk first nation uh traditional territory our minute taker

[0:00:52] Voice 6: Lisa Millard is also zooming in remotely from from Gabriela Island hi Lisa um she's not new

[0:01:02] Voice 6: to minute taking but probably to this area perhaps or you're back on the job after some absents

[0:01:09] Voice 6: um in the south office we've got back up with a planning team assistant Emily Bryant is it

[0:01:18] Voice 6: bryant or bryant

[0:01:19] Voice 2: bryant

[0:01:20] Voice 6: bryant okay so thank you and welcome to the uh islands trust team

[0:01:25] Voice 6: thank you

[0:01:26] Voice 6: and our planner kim stockdill is also in the victoria office hi everyone

[0:01:35] Planner Stockdill (probable): and

[0:01:37] Voice 6: of course you know your local trustees i'll let you to uh introduce yourselves and

[0:01:41] Voice 6: let's get the meeting started.

[0:01:44] Voice 11: I'm Dag Boat.

[0:01:46] Voice 13: And I'm Christina Schleppen.

[0:01:54] Voice 8: So yeah I'd just like to

[0:01:55] Voice 8: begin

[0:01:56] Voice 6: by acknowledging that the land and waters on which we gather is in the traditional territory

[0:02:04] Voice 6: of the Coast Salish people. This area, Steaths, now known as South Pender Island, has been home

[0:02:12] Voice 6: to the Sinchothin and Hulcombenam-speaking people,

[0:02:16] Voice 6: the Central Coast Salish peoples since time immemorial.

[0:02:20] Voice 6: And we wish to state just at the outset of every meeting

[0:02:25] Voice 6: that the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[0:02:27] Voice 6: is committed to reconciliation

[0:02:29] Voice 6: and the acknowledgement of Indigenous place and history,

[0:02:33] Voice 6: as well as to working with First Nations today

[0:02:37] Voice 6: in a contemporary context.

[0:02:38] Voice 6: text so thank you everybody uh for coming to the special community meeting we'll call the meeting

[0:02:45] Voice 6: to order and start with the approval of the agenda is there any changes or additions to the agenda as

[0:02:54] Voice 6: presented i

[0:02:55] Voice 13: would like to ask um i noticed that we don't have a town hall on this agenda are we

[0:03:00] Voice 13: able to add in a town hall time for the public to have a discussion or was that purposefully not

[0:03:08] Voice 13: added uh

[0:03:10] Planner Stockdill (probable): it was added for 5.1 future project discussion okay perfect i wasn't clear on that

[0:03:17] Voice 13: thank you oh

[0:03:19] Voice 11: i was wondering if it makes sense to move item 4.1 to after the future projects 5.1

[0:03:32] Voice 11: seems like the flow would work better

[0:03:38] Voice 11: um because it because it's uh it is on the list i believe or or it's a project that could be

[0:03:47] Voice 11: included in that project's discussion and if a decision is made before then then it's kind of

[0:03:53] Voice 11: the flow that seems kind of backwards to me well

[0:03:56] Voice 13: if we if we put it on if we change that we can't

[0:03:59] Voice 13: have a discussion until we've made a decision so we need to make a decision before it can be

[0:04:04] Voice 13: discussed okay right

[0:04:08] Voice 6: yeah we can't have a public hearing on bylaw 123 until we've decided what to

[0:04:16] Voice 6: do with the current proposed bylaw right so in order to open it up for discussion i think we do

[0:04:24] Voice 6: need to have that item first is that correct kim that's

[0:04:31] Voice 7: correct okay

[0:04:33] Voice 6: okay um i would like to add

[0:04:36] Voice 6: an in-camera discussion following the meeting so after 5.1 future projects discussion

[0:04:46] Voice 6: if we could close the meeting to the public and trust and we'll ask staff to remain

[0:04:57] Voice 6: for yeah for a discussion that needs to be in camera.

[0:05:05] Planner Stockdill (probable): Kim? Thank you Chair Elliott. I was hoping

[0:05:08] Planner Stockdill (probable): we could add an item to business items making it 4.1 and that would bump back the other items and

[0:05:16] Planner Stockdill (probable): this is regarding scheduling a electronic special meeting sometime this summer in regards to two

[0:05:23] Planner Stockdill (probable): applications and i can provide more information when we get to that business item okay so we're

[0:05:29] Voice 6: adding 4.1 scheduling electronic meeting for special items and so 4.1 becomes 4.2 and so on

[0:05:40] Voice 8: okay

[0:05:41] Voice 6: anything else we don't have um a normal agenda in terms of like trustees reports or

[0:05:49] Voice 6: chair reports uh the focus of this meeting is to hear from the community and we did add in the

[0:05:56] Voice 6: the discussion of bylaw 123 as a project update because of information that we've had back from

[0:06:03] Voice 6: the ministry as you've all seen in the agenda so the main purpose of this meeting is to engage with

[0:06:08] Voice 6: you the community so there's no further changes let's get started just

[0:06:14] Voice 11: one question we had on

[0:06:16] Voice 11: the minutes oh no sorry this is the minutes right yeah sorry i'm jumping ahead never mind yeah

[0:06:22] Voice 6: we'll

[0:06:23] Voice 6: get to the minutes next so i'll take it by general consent the approval of the agenda as amended

[0:06:33] Voice 8: okay so on to the minutes day uh trustee falk what did you wanna um

[0:06:40] Voice 11: yeah 0.6 on page four um jane

[0:06:51] Voice 11: yeah i think

[0:06:53] Voice 11: are you maybe gonna bring this up yourself but uh

[0:06:55] Voice 13: no it's down here

[0:06:57] Voice 13: it's um this paragraph right here you've got dennis henshaw having spoken but dennis henshaw

[0:07:02] Voice 13: is no longer with us it was dennis perch that spoke he's actually deceased oh

[0:07:11] Voice 7: dear okay it's

[0:07:13] Voice 13: dennis perch it says okay

[0:07:15] Voice 6: so correcting dennis henshaw to to change that to dennis perch please

[0:07:21] Voice 6: these. Thank you.

[0:07:24] Voice 13: I'm sorry, there's one additional change. Sorry, I was just,

[0:07:30] Voice 13: where I was speaking, and it mentions that I did was speaking to the staff report at the last

[0:07:35] Voice 13: meeting, and I was questioning the recommendations and the priorities of APC, and I was wondering

[0:07:43] Voice 13: why not, which is there in a minute, but I didn't recommend, I expected that to be put down,

[0:07:48] Voice 13: so

[0:07:54] Voice 6: we can't hear anything that was just said if somebody could repeat that for the minute

[0:07:59] Voice 6: taker be appreciated yeah on

[0:08:02] Voice 11: the second so

[0:08:03] Voice 13: she suggested that it be sent to the apc rather than

[0:08:07] Voice 13: request that it be sent to the apc it was too long because i thought we're still in the discussion

[0:08:17] Voice 13: okay so just remove and request it be referred to the apc remove it yeah remove the words

[0:08:24] Voice 13: requested to be referred to the apc and the person

[0:08:30] Voice 6: can you tell us which page i'm not i'm

[0:08:32] Voice 6: not following item

[0:08:34] Voice 13: number six first paragraph second sentence first sentence end of the first

[0:08:40] Voice 13: sentence no

[0:08:41] Voice 3: it's the second

[0:08:42] Voice 13: sentence yeah okay yep you see it yeah that was it just remove

[0:08:51] Voice 13: remove that wording thank you that's that's that's it from us

[0:08:56] Voice 13: lisa

[0:08:57] Voice 6: what what did you get

[0:08:59] Voice 6: through the

[0:09:00] Voice 9: chair can i have dennis purchase the spelling of his name please p

[0:09:05] Voice 13: r c h thank you

[0:09:09] Voice 9: thanks

[0:09:10] Voice 8: okay

[0:09:16] Voice 6: so any further changes or additions or modifications to the minutes

[0:09:24] Voice 6: not

[0:09:25] Voice 13: for me no

[0:09:26] Voice 6: okay so i'll take it by general consent that the minutes of scrolling back may

[0:09:34] Voice 6: May 5th be adopted as amended or be approved.

[0:09:43] Voice 6: So is that the right wording?

[0:09:45] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:09:47] Voice 6: So we'll move into 4.1 is now scheduling

[0:09:54] Voice 6: an electronic meeting to address special items.

[0:09:59] Voice 6: Planner Stockdell.

[0:10:01] Planner Stockdill (probable): Thank you.

[0:10:02] Planner Stockdill (probable): Thank you, Chair Elliot.

[0:10:03] Planner Stockdill (probable): Elliot, to give the LTC a little bit more information, the Ministry of Transportation

[0:10:11] Planner Stockdill (probable): and Infrastructure, MOTI, they plan to start the work on fixing the dip and their timeline

[0:10:21] Planner Stockdill (probable): is end of summer or early September.

[0:10:25] Planner Stockdill (probable): And through this process, MOTI would like to store some of the material that they're

[0:10:30] Planner Stockdill (probable): removing from the site and adding to the site, they want to store this material on private

[0:10:36] Planner Stockdill (probable): property. This private property is in the ALR and currently does not allow the use of a storage

[0:10:45] Planner Stockdill (probable): material. So a temporary use permit application and an ALR application is required. Due to the

[0:10:52] Planner Stockdill (probable): a tight timeline. The next regularly scheduled LTC meeting isn't until September. So staff's

[0:11:00] Planner Stockdill (probable): putting the suggestion forward to the LTC to schedule a electronic special meeting potentially

[0:11:06] Planner Stockdill (probable): sometime in July to address these two applications. We just received the applications and the applicant

[0:11:15] Planner Stockdill (probable): applicant is currently about to pay so once we've received that then the LTC will be sent the the

[0:11:22] Planner Stockdill (probable): formal applications I did circulate a draft motion for the LTC to consider which would give direction

[0:11:31] Planner Stockdill (probable): to staff to schedule electronic meeting to address these two applications thank

[0:11:39] Voice 6: you Kim I did see

[0:11:41] Voice 6: see those draft motions let me just find them unless anybody else wants to go ahead with that

[0:11:51] Voice 6: motion where is it okay there you are did

[0:11:55] Voice 11: you just receive it by email yeah oh

[0:11:58] Voice 6: that the south

[0:12:00] Voice 6: pender island local trust committee requests staff to schedule an electronic special meeting

[0:12:05] Voice 6: for the following applications i can make that motion if you two are comfortable

[0:12:11] Voice 6: comfortable? I'm already there. SP TUP 2023.1 and SP ALR 2023.1. And Lisa, I'll put that in the

[0:12:23] Voice 6: chat for you.

[0:12:27] Voice 8: So there's a motion on the floor. Do I have a seconder? Christina Evans seconds the

[0:12:34] Voice 8: motion. Any further discussion? Okay. All those in favor? Aye.

[0:12:44] Voice 6: Aye. Okay. And that is carried.

[0:12:47] Voice 6: Great. Thank you, Kim, for bringing that bit of business. You're always on the ball with

[0:12:52] Voice 6: the details we need to keep it all running. Okay, so 4.2, South Pender By-law number 123,

[0:13:03] Voice 6: project update. You'll find this on pages 13 to 25. I'm sure everybody's had a chance to read

[0:13:10] Voice 6: the staff report um so this is quite recent information and um so kim would you like to

[0:13:18] Voice 6: take us through this one thank

[0:13:19] Planner Stockdill (probable): you chair elliot yes i would uh this staff report is in front of

[0:13:24] Planner Stockdill (probable): you in regards to receiving a letter from the minister of municipal affairs in regards to bylaw

[0:13:30] Planner Stockdill (probable): one two three and that is a part of the minor official community plan project and the purpose

[0:13:37] Planner Stockdill (probable): The purpose of this project was to include two major amendments to the South Pender OCP, the first being a First Nation introductory or acknowledgement statement, and also the second are building design and citing guidelines, a public hearing was held last

[0:13:54] Planner Stockdill (probable): last year in July of 2022. Second and third reading was given in August of last year and

[0:14:02] Planner Stockdill (probable): the bylaw was actually sent to the minister in September of last year. As I mentioned, we did

[0:14:08] Planner Stockdill (probable): receive a letter from the minister and it's attached to the staff report for any community

[0:14:13] Planner Stockdill (probable): members that would like to see this letter. But the summary of the letter states that there's a

[0:14:21] Planner Stockdill (probable): a concern with the lack of response from First Nations and the Minister would like to see

[0:14:27] Planner Stockdill (probable): further meaningful engagement for First Nations. So in light of receiving this letter and in light

[0:14:35] Planner Stockdill (probable): of the fact that the LTC is post-public hearing for By-law 123, staff have outlined three options

[0:14:43] Planner Stockdill (probable): for the LTC to consider and this is on page 14 of the agenda or two of the staff report.

[0:14:50] Planner Stockdill (probable): The first option is to proceed no further with the project. So if the LTC feels as though that it would like to free up their work program for an alternative active project, there is an option for the LTC to proceed no further with this project, and that's option one.

[0:15:12] Planner Stockdill (probable): The second is to proceed with the project, but add additional engagement with First Nations

[0:15:19] Planner Stockdill (probable): and with community members. This option would then mean that this project would remain the

[0:15:27] Planner Stockdill (probable): active project for the LTC, and it would take most likely anywhere between six to 12 months

[0:15:34] Planner Stockdill (probable): to ensure that meaningful engagement is successful this option would also require

[0:15:41] Planner Stockdill (probable): a new public hearing and if the LTC wishes to move forward with this option I would recommend

[0:15:48] Planner Stockdill (probable): the LTC at this meeting rescind third reading of the bylaw what that would mean is that

[0:15:57] Planner Stockdill (probable): community members can then comment on bylaw 123 later in this uh commun or during the community

[0:16:04] Planner Stockdill (probable): information session the third option is to proceed with the project and um move forward with the

[0:16:13] Planner Stockdill (probable): comments received from first nations as is so the ltc could draft a letter to the minister stating

[0:16:20] Planner Stockdill (probable): stating that the LTC feels as though the legislative requirements have been completed

[0:16:25] Planner Stockdill (probable): and they'd like a response from the minister to either approve or not approve the bylaw.

[0:16:33] Planner Stockdill (probable): So I mentioned there's options laid out there for the LTC to consider in terms of draft motions.

[0:16:40] Planner Stockdill (probable): I've also sent a draft motion to the LTC to rescind third reading.

[0:16:45] Planner Stockdill (probable): If you decide to go for the option number two, which is to proceed with the application to keep it the main, the active project, and then further engage with the community and also with First Nations.

[0:16:58] Planner Stockdill (probable): Thank you, Chair Elliott.

[0:16:59] Voice 7: Thank

[0:17:04] Voice 8: you so much, Kim. So, I

[0:17:08] Voice 6: just want to frame this discussion a little bit by saying this is an evolving arena in which processes are constantly being updated as we get feedback from both nations and from the Ministry of Municipal Affairs.

[0:17:28] Voice 6: So, to my mind, what came forward from the ministry was a fairly strong indicator that they consider meaningful consultation with First Nations to be actual engagement, rather than we've sent a referral and heard nothing back.

[0:17:53] Voice 6: and so I think just to recognize that we're in a time of changing as processes change and as

[0:18:00] Voice 6: nations get capacity to respond to our requests for the bylaws that we're considering

[0:18:09] Voice 6: it may take more time and in some cases maybe it's going to take less time because that engagement

[0:18:18] Voice 6: sort of the early engagement's already been done and those relationships are developing

[0:18:22] Voice 6: developing so i'm just yeah i'm just looking there's no fixed i don't think there's a fixed

[0:18:31] Voice 6: pathway it's what is the specific context for south pender steus area and the nations that

[0:18:43] Voice 6: are concerned with this air with this territory and how do we proceed in the best way possible

[0:18:49] Voice 6: So I just wanted to frame it as this is an evolving process, so we're going to do the best we can.

[0:18:57] Voice 6: Trustees, what are your thoughts, having considered the ministry's letter?

[0:19:06] Voice 11: Yeah, well, first of all, I want to say that First Nations reconciliation is important to me and everyone.

[0:19:16] Voice 11: everyone and that we need to find the best way to achieve that and I think it's quite

[0:19:24] Voice 11: challenging as we've seen, you know, we can't just send a letter off and get an answer back

[0:19:28] Voice 11: and that's probably not an appropriate reconciliation action in my view.

[0:19:33] Voice 11: It needs to go much deeper than that and it probably needs to include in-person communication

[0:19:40] Voice 11: and probably over quite some time and to me six months to a year is too short of a time

[0:19:46] Voice 11: for that to expect a lot of forward movement in that period. So that's kind of the background I

[0:19:56] Voice 11: want to start with from my perspective is that you know I'm in favor of continuing discussions

[0:20:03] Voice 11: and reaching for reconciliatory relations with First Nations and Indigenous people.

[0:20:13] Voice 11: people. How we achieve that within the frame that we've given right now in terms of accepting

[0:20:20] Voice 11: our options one to three, it's challenging. Obviously, we could do option two, which means

[0:20:29] Voice 11: we just kind of build on what we have. Option one would be starting over or not starting

[0:20:36] Voice 11: over you know this is just basically just ending it uh so um and and i maybe i'm not understanding

[0:20:45] Voice 11: quite clearly but option three seems to me like it's just kind of taking a breather and not making

[0:20:52] Voice 11: a decision right now accepted as is

[0:20:54] Voice 11: and so then what does that mean for the minister who said

[0:20:59] Voice 11: they weren't weren't satisfied with our level of consultation we're basically telling the

[0:21:06] Voice 11: minister would be to refine with us and so we override the ministry in that case we're saying

[0:21:12] Voice 11: thank you for your input oh yeah

[0:21:14] Voice 13: basically we'd send around to the minister thank you for your

[0:21:16] Voice 13: input but we're happy with it

[0:21:17] Voice 6: we the minister still has to approve okay

[0:21:21] Voice 11: so

[0:21:21] Voice 6: i'm proposed by

[0:21:22] Voice 6: law so we can't override if the minister then comes back and says well we don't think you've

[0:21:29] Voice 6: done sufficient engagement a second time we don't that doesn't pass the minister's desk i'm i'm

[0:21:36] Voice 6: guessing kim is that correct okay so

[0:21:40] Voice 11: then i'm taking option three off the table for myself

[0:21:44] Voice 11: and that's not an option i want to entertain uh i i i'm swayed by option one but like i say not

[0:21:55] Voice 11: to stop engaging in order there's a couple of reasons we didn't you know we are new trustees

[0:22:02] Voice 11: in a new term so we didn't build build the framework this to this point so if we're going

[0:22:10] Voice 11: to take over midstream and do this very challenging thing of actually having meaningful consultation

[0:22:18] Voice 11: with first nations with something that's built by somebody else that we may not sort of have a feel

[0:22:23] Voice 11: for that doesn't seem like a good starting point to me so i i favor option one and starting over

[0:22:32] Voice 11: work and being very patient with it, understanding that this is a big, big undertaking. So I don't

[0:22:39] Voice 11: want to be tied to a timeline. Thank you.

[0:22:44] Voice 13: From my perspective, I just remember how contentious

[0:22:48] Voice 13: this wording was. It didn't seem to have the full support of the entire community.

[0:22:56] Voice 13: community so I think in order to have a reconciliation statement it has to um the

[0:23:02] Voice 13: community has to be behind it as well as First Nations so I feel that reconciliation is super

[0:23:10] Voice 13: important but it has to work for all parties um and this is going to be a long conversation

[0:23:17] Voice 13: and I I would like to and and there's there's two pieces that are in this this one by law

[0:23:24] Voice 13: we have the reconciliation piece and we have the building deciding guidelines piece

[0:23:29] Voice 13: and i would like to separate those two out and start fresh with just one topic at a time

[0:23:35] Voice 13: rather than mixing things together um and i'm not saying that either is less than the other

[0:23:42] Voice 13: i'm saying that they both deserve a full discussion separately and finding out how we can get that

[0:23:51] Voice 13: done and if we're dealing with one thing at a time maybe we can get through things easier as a

[0:23:55] Voice 13: community and get everybody on side um i feel there was so many items in the last term that

[0:24:04] Voice 13: were being dealt with at the same time it became problematic and i think this is this is a result

[0:24:13] Voice 13: of that as well which i think is a good thing that now we deal with one minor project at a time and i

[0:24:18] Voice 13: think to keep that in mind i would like to start fresh um not necessarily from the very very

[0:24:25] Voice 13: beginning but uh but there's been a lot of work already done and we can continue building on it

[0:24:33] Voice 13: but i think we need to clean it up and separate it out and bring the conversation back to the

[0:24:38] Voice 13: community so i would opt for number one myself um and then put it out to the community but for

[0:24:48] Voice 13: or what do you want us to work on that that would that would be that would be my preference

[0:24:52] Voice 5: okay

[0:25:00] Voice 8: trustees thank you so much

[0:25:03] Voice 6: for your consideration um i wanted to ask what in the

[0:25:10] Voice 6: options you've listed kim number two request further engagement of first nations um an

[0:25:20] Voice 6: an engagement strategy to address concerns raised in the Minister of Municipal Affairs letter.

[0:25:27] Voice 6: Is it possible to set up a long-term engagement strategy that wasn't necessarily tied to a minor

[0:25:41] Voice 6: project or to Bylaw 123, but is, like, how could we set up a good First Nations engagement strategy

[0:25:53] Voice 6: Without it being tied to a particular project, because if reconciliation needs to inform and underpin all of our actions, it makes sense to my mind to have an engagement strategy, regardless of what project we're working on.

[0:26:13] Voice 13: resolution to that regard pardon me

[0:26:16] Voice 13: regarding first nations for engagement i thought we were i thought we've already got a standing

[0:26:25] Voice 13: resolution so i could be wrong but i i thought i saw that we as south pender have a first nations

[0:26:33] Voice 13: engagement standing resolution you

[0:26:36] Planner Stockdill (probable): didn't through the chair yes you're you are correct um there is

[0:26:40] Planner Stockdill (probable): is a standing resolution that the south pender has and i know that um the director of trust area

[0:26:48] Planner Stockdill (probable): services is currently reaching out on behalf of each ltc to um from nation to nation to um

[0:26:57] Planner Stockdill (probable): to try to improve the relationships between nation and nations to nations and those letters

[0:27:02] Planner Stockdill (probable): should be going out soon um but if the ltc feels as though that reconciliation can be actually its

[0:27:10] Planner Stockdill (probable): own active project itself that's something the ltc could consider okay thank

[0:27:19] Voice 6: you for that kim

[0:27:23] Voice 6: um and actually maybe this is an appropriate time to bring it up it's you're gonna learn i will

[0:27:29] Voice 6: bring things from outside once in a while so it's not pertaining to bylaw 123 but engagement in

[0:27:35] Voice 6: general. We're working on the staff to staff relationship with nations in the area. And I

[0:27:45] Voice 6: would encourage local trustees to start thinking about how we as elected officials can reach out

[0:27:52] Voice 6: to leadership of the nations represented in the South Pender area. And so one of the things that

[0:28:01] Voice 6: we could do as elected officials that does not have to be a project is simply request to be a

[0:28:08] Voice 6: delegation on a council's agenda and i say this with i've had advice from from different people

[0:28:20] Voice 6: one one gentleman uh who's joined the islands trust conservancy board who's from penelaket

[0:28:27] Voice 6: said recently at our Islands Trust Conservancy meeting, it's not meaningful engagement unless

[0:28:36] Voice 6: you come to our leadership table. And so there's quite a difference between here's our OCP

[0:28:45] Voice 6: bylaw that we'd like to pass. What do you think? We come to them with an agenda. There's a difference

[0:28:52] Voice 6: with we as leaders are coming to your meeting and we're just presenting ourselves for an

[0:28:59] Voice 6: introduction, letting you know that we're interested in knowing your priorities and what

[0:29:06] Voice 6: is on your agenda as a council and as a nation in this area. So that's another avenue that doesn't

[0:29:14] Voice 6: require a project. It doesn't even require staff resources except for talking to the director of

[0:29:21] Voice 6: programs or trust area services um we can do that kind of work so i just wanted to encourage you

[0:29:28] Voice 6: that we have an engagement strategy great uh we can also do some work as elected officials

[0:29:39] Voice 13: absolutely thank you that's

[0:29:41] Voice 11: good um

[0:29:42] Voice 13: can you yeah just can you just drop me a quick email

[0:29:44] Voice 13: um as a reminder so that i can actually get it on my to-do list because i need i need things on

[0:29:50] Voice 13: my to-do list otherwise i was

[0:29:52] Voice 6: actually i was actually thinking of um if maine south and north

[0:29:57] Voice 6: pender uh and maybe

[0:30:00] Voice 6: Maybe some of the LTCs wanted to get together and present themselves as a delegation, for example, to WSANIC Leadership Council.

[0:30:10] Voice 6: If we're all in the WSANIC territorial area, we could just talk about that as sort of a group delegation.

[0:30:17] Voice 6: Then we're not going as individual LTCs.

[0:30:20] Voice 6: So, yeah, I will send you an email, Christina.

[0:30:22] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:30:25] Voice 6: But back to the business at hand.

[0:30:27] Voice 6: Sorry.

[0:30:28] Voice 6: um so it sounds like both of you are in favor of option one um kim is there anything else we need

[0:30:38] Voice 6: to consider uh if we move forward with option one not

[0:30:46] Planner Stockdill (probable): at this time um there's a draft motion

[0:30:49] Planner Stockdill (probable): on page 14 of the agenda the ltc can consider and um if the ltc does decide to to not proceed

[0:30:57] Planner Stockdill (probable): with this project as both trustees have stated this doesn't mean that this is the end of First

[0:31:04] Planner Stockdill (probable): Nation or adding policies or acknowledgement statement in the OCP it's just potentially a

[0:31:09] Planner Stockdill (probable): new opportunity for further engagement and also with the community discussion coming up in a few

[0:31:16] Planner Stockdill (probable): minutes the community I know that they've wanted to talk about this it also provides a community

[0:31:21] Planner Stockdill (probable): with the opportunity to speak to some of the aspects of this um bylaw right

[0:31:29] Voice 6: so if we choose

[0:31:30] Voice 6: to go no further rescind third reading is that no no

[0:31:36] Planner Stockdill (probable): it would be just a a motion to proceed no

[0:31:39] Planner Stockdill (probable): further with this project and the proposed bylaw right

[0:31:43] Voice 6: and then we can actually discuss the contents

[0:31:46] Voice 6: of what was in the proposed by because it's not a proposed bylaw anymore that's correct

[0:31:50] Planner Stockdill (probable): Okay.

[0:31:52] Voice 6: Could we also consider, we do need to reply to the minister. I mean, we already have, thanking them for their input. Would it be a good practice to respond again and saying in light of, you know, the LTC, just let them know the LTC's decision if that's what we decide?

[0:32:13] Voice 6: yes

[0:32:13] Planner Stockdill (probable): if the ltc decides to proceed no further it would make sense for the chair to write a letter

[0:32:19] Planner Stockdill (probable): to provide this update okay

[0:32:22] Voice 6: um is there any other discussion um deg did you have your hand up i

[0:32:29] Voice 6: wasn't sure yeah

[0:32:30] Voice 11: i just have a question maybe the side thing here but when letters are written by

[0:32:36] Voice 11: by the chair to ministers or otherwise, and signed by the LTC, the local trust committee,

[0:32:44] Voice 11: shouldn't we have an opportunity to edit or review the letter before it goes out?

[0:32:49] Voice 11: I don't think I saw it before it was sent out.

[0:32:55] Voice 6: I think this one was quite a quick turnaround because we wanted to get it on the agenda for

[0:33:01] Voice 6: the upcoming meeting but um yeah we can we can send you guys the letter um it was written by the

[0:33:09] Voice 6: director of trust area services to be honest i added a paragraph and um we talked about it

[0:33:16] Voice 6: back and forth but yeah we can send that around for sure yeah

[0:33:22] Voice 11: yeah i think that should be kind

[0:33:23] Voice 11: of standard for all letters are written if we're you know if we're signed on to it just in case

[0:33:30] Voice 11: that we have some objection to some of it or want to make a comment or even a change or whatever

[0:33:35] Voice 11: I'm just not comfortable having my signature on a statement that I haven't reviewed it

[0:33:43] Voice 6: sort of

[0:33:44] Voice 6: goes both ways I'm also writing letters about matters that I do on behalf of an LTC that I'm

[0:33:50] Voice 6: like well this is their opinion it's not mine it's the opinion of the LTC so that's the position

[0:33:57] Voice 6: that I'm in as chair is I'm representing the LTC not my own personal opinions this is a decision

[0:34:04] Voice 6: making body and we make decisions together so when I write a letter as a chair it's not Toby

[0:34:10] Voice 6: Elliot it's this is the body.

[0:34:13] Voice 13: Can we just keep the conversation down because we can't hear what's

[0:34:16] Voice 13: being said thank you.

[0:34:17] Voice 6: But yeah I understand that and we'll send it around so that you can read it

[0:34:22] Voice 6: ahead of time.

[0:34:23] Voice 13: Thank you because if you are writing on our behalf and we haven't seen it

[0:34:26] Voice 13: your what your writing may not be our position or our opinion but

[0:34:34] Voice 6: it's the decision of the ltc

[0:34:37] Voice 6: and that's why we make resolutions and vote on them is because we make decisions together and

[0:34:43] Voice 6: then when i write a letter it's representing that collective decision i hope not my own no i get

[0:34:49] Voice 13: that but if we don't get to see it it may not actually truly represent our position when it's

[0:34:55] Voice 13: being expanded out into it into a lengthy letter okay

[0:34:58] Voice 6: we can debate this later thank you all right

[0:35:02] Voice 6: are we ready to come to a decision yes

[0:35:05] Voice 11: i'd like to make a motion yes that the south pender island

[0:35:11] Voice 11: local trust committee proceed no further with the minor official community project and proposed by

[0:35:16] Voice 11: law number one two three i'll

[0:35:20] Voice 13: second and

[0:35:22] Voice 8: trustee evan seconds the motion any further discussion

[0:35:27] Voice 8: All those in favor? Aye.

[0:35:31] Voice 8: And that is carried. Okay. Thank

[0:35:36] Voice 6: you for your work on this, Kim,

[0:35:37] Voice 6: and everyone else. It's been a big learning curve, and I hope we can do better next time.

[0:35:47] Voice 13: A lot of work that went into this, unfortunately.

[0:35:57] Voice 8: Before we move on to

[0:36:00] Voice 6: to uh item 4.3 the work program discussion uh kim we were going to have a brief discussion about

[0:36:10] Voice 6: post-public hearing um and how correspondence is received we we received a volume of correspondence

[0:36:19] Voice 6: on bylaw 123 and there's still a learning curve for myself and for the local trustees

[0:36:29] Voice 6: and the community of how like when can community members give more input and why would their

[0:36:39] Voice 6: suggestions and comments on a proposed bylaw be have to be redacted um so can you give us a brief

[0:36:48] Voice 6: overview of why the rules exist on post-public hearing comments absolutely

[0:36:55] Planner Stockdill (probable): um so following

[0:36:57] Planner Stockdill (probable): Following the close of a public hearing, so when the chair officially closes the public hearing meeting, the LTC can't hear any further submissions from community members.

[0:37:11] Planner Stockdill (probable): And the principle is that any new information that one trustee or the LTC may receive, all interested parties, that could be other agencies, community members,

[0:37:22] Planner Stockdill (probable): they should also have the opportunity to see that new material and potentially it could

[0:37:30] Planner Stockdill (probable): shape decisions made on the bylaw so after the close of the hearing

[0:37:35] Planner Stockdill (probable): no further submissions are permitted although if a community member would like to submit something

[0:37:45] Planner Stockdill (probable): I suggest that you submitted to staff the planner we can actually hang on to that correspondence we

[0:37:51] Planner Stockdill (probable): We will file it away under correspondence received after a public hearing.

[0:37:57] Planner Stockdill (probable): And in this scenario or in other scenarios where perhaps third reading is rescinded and the bylaw is opened up again, the LTC can have an option to review those submissions at that point.

[0:38:10] Planner Stockdill (probable): But it's really important that you do not send correspondence to the LTC post or after a public hearing.

[0:38:18] Planner Stockdill (probable): You can send those to staff.

[0:38:19] Planner Stockdill (probable): Do

[0:38:22] Voice 13: you want to walk through the repercussions of doing that as well?

[0:38:27] Voice 6: I think we should because understanding what could happen or what has happened and really,

[0:38:33] Voice 6: is this a policy? Is this a practice? Is this legislative? Because I couldn't find anything

[0:38:43] Voice 6: in the LGA about post-public hearing commentary. So I'm wondering if this is a best practices

[0:38:52] Voice 6: or yeah

[0:38:53] Planner Stockdill (probable): well it's a little bit of both legislative and best practices legislatively

[0:38:58] Planner Stockdill (probable): the local government act only gives i think three options for a uh a committee um on how to proceed

[0:39:07] Planner Stockdill (probable): after a post-public hearing and that's either proceed with the bylaw don't proceed or you can

[0:39:11] Planner Stockdill (probable): amend it it doesn't actually say that you could still receive comments and the public hearing is

[0:39:16] Planner Stockdill (probable): is the formal process in which community members either state their support or not support for the bylaw.

[0:39:29] Planner Stockdill (probable): The repercussions being if it's post-public hearing and the LTC still receives comments or emails from community members,

[0:39:38] Planner Stockdill (probable): this legislative process could be challenged and the LTC may then have to go back to holding a new public hearing.

[0:39:49] Voice 8: What does

[0:39:50] Voice 6: a challenge look like? Is it like the validity of the process is then challenged and

[0:39:56] Voice 6: people would say, well, I didn't get a chance to give my perspective on this new version of

[0:40:07] Voice 6: the bylaw that you were discussing based on that new information. So I feel left out of the process.

[0:40:13] Voice 6: Like, absolutely. Yeah. That's

[0:40:16] Planner Stockdill (probable): one part of

[0:40:16] Voice 6: it. You know, members would

[0:40:16] Voice 6: just challenge it and

[0:40:17] Voice 6: And then they would challenge

[0:40:18] Planner Stockdill (probable): the fact that there hasn't been transparency with the LTC and they weren't following the proper legislative process.

[0:40:25] Planner Stockdill (probable): Okay,

[0:40:28] Voice 6: so trustees, what are your thoughts on this and how can we make this work for the community so that we're not hindering public comment, but we're honoring the intent of maintaining the public process in which everyone can participate?

[0:40:54] Voice 6: participate um

[0:40:57] Voice 13: perhaps just remind us as we go along in the process where we are at

[0:41:01] Voice 13: and when the final cuts up cutoffs are and that you know you know anything after that after that

[0:41:08] Voice 13: time is is no longer accepted i i'm not sure if there's anything else that we can do do you have

[0:41:17] Voice 13: any ideas i'm

[0:41:21] Voice 6: turning to you deg because you've you've expressed some discomfort with this so i

[0:41:25] Voice 6: I just want to my

[0:41:27] Voice 11: concern is that we remove as many barriers to open communication as possible

[0:41:34] Voice 11: and sometimes you know when you're talking or writing emails or you know to say I'm in support

[0:41:43] Voice 11: of this or or that or whatnot to remember everything that you're allowed to comment on

[0:41:49] Voice 11: what you're not allowed to comment on can seem kind of onerous I think for people to keep track

[0:41:55] Voice 11: of, I know I step into it all the time, obviously, so if it's hard for me, I'm imagining it might be

[0:42:02] Voice 11: hard for others. We had five, four, five emails this time that had to be sent back and had things

[0:42:09] Voice 11: removed from it because I made a comment about one, two, three. I think my perspective is that

[0:42:16] Voice 11: it's too stringently interpreted what the legislation is, and we can be a little bit

[0:42:22] Voice 11: more relaxed about it and the intent from what I understand of this whole policy or you know

[0:42:29] Voice 11: requirement is for us as trustees not to discuss and debate information that hasn't been available

[0:42:40] Voice 11: to all of you and that's quite different than I didn't like it back then I spoke at it at the

[0:42:47] Voice 11: meeting and i still don't like it and to be told to say that you still don't like it is now outside

[0:42:54] Voice 11: the bounds of sort of legal whatever is way too finicky too kicky too difficult for us to

[0:43:02] Voice 11: kind of function easily within i think uh i i was surprised to see this this whole way of doing it

[0:43:11] Voice 11: because you we also can't control you so to speak not that we want to well not that i want

[0:43:21] Voice 3: if

[0:43:21] Voice 11: if one of you were to stand up and or speak up you know during the public part of this meeting

[0:43:31] Voice 11: and say something that was against the rules i can't undo that you've done that right it's just

[0:43:39] Voice 11: like in a court of law you know one witness answers a question and veers into something that

[0:43:46] Voice 11: shouldn't be according to the rule of the court the judge will say please disregard to the last

[0:43:53] Voice 11: comment i think that we're very capable of just disregarding the comments when the comments are

[0:43:59] Voice 11: really basically simple such as i agree i don't agree anymore same as before right there's nothing

[0:44:05] Voice 11: new there so I feel like we're a little bit over hammering this thing to death and I think we can

[0:44:13] Voice 11: just chill and just kind of get on with it and think about the intent the intent is that me and

[0:44:19] Voice 11: Christina aren't going to sit and cook things up late at

[0:44:22] Voice 11: night behind your backs and develop

[0:44:25] Voice 11: elaborate agendas with one of you perhaps that's what's intended to be prevented yeah and I don't

[0:44:32] Voice 11: think being too picky achieves that in any way so I've said my piece I don't expect it to change

[0:44:39] Voice 11: anything necessarily but I've said my piece thank you thank you

[0:44:46] Voice 6: trustee Falk I think you make a lot

[0:44:48] Voice 6: of good points about the intent of a practice or a policy and how that needs to override

[0:44:57] Voice 6: ride well the intent needs to come through and if it's not then it's not an effective practice

[0:45:03] Voice 6: i think my concern um which i would just bring up here for consideration to think about

[0:45:11] Voice 6: is that when correspondence on a something like this a post-public hearing matter that has already

[0:45:20] Voice 6: been debated in a public forum if that is then posted to the project web page and then other

[0:45:30] Voice 6: community members see something about it posted and they go oh well i i want to you know sort of

[0:45:39] Voice 6: i have a perspective on that person's comment on this right and then you end up having this

[0:45:46] Voice 6: almost a forum of debate on the community website or on sorry it's not a community website it's on

[0:45:53] Voice 6: the yann's trust website and then we're administering and the volume of correspondence

[0:45:58] Voice 6: is potentially accelerating but there's no public forum in which everybody can democratically gather

[0:46:06] Voice 6: and debate the merits of a single proposal together that's what i mean by this this

[0:46:15] Voice 6: this acceleration of when do you stop the public comment on something, there has to be a point at

[0:46:22] Voice 6: which we say, okay, we've heard all the perspectives on this version of the proposed bylaw.

[0:46:30] Voice 6: Oh, now new information's come in. Now we have to open that up again, and we're going to open

[0:46:36] Voice 6: that public process. So I think there's just a logistical challenge to continually hearing

[0:46:44] Voice 6: hearing perspectives on the same material. I don't think we have the capacity to manage that

[0:46:51] Voice 6: in the space that the public would want. At some point, you have to call it and just say,

[0:46:59] Voice 6: we've heard all the debate that we can receive.

[0:47:03] Voice 13: So I would like to add a little bit to that. I

[0:47:06] Voice 13: think that the process was cut short, the conversation was cut short, and there wasn't

[0:47:11] Voice 13: community um agreement yet which is why we wound up with so much back and forth and so much volume

[0:47:19] Voice 13: of correspondence if the community had been allowed to continue until a solution could have

[0:47:25] Voice 13: been found that everybody could be could live with or be satisfied with not necessarily happy

[0:47:30] Voice 13: with but could live with and be happy with then we wouldn't be in this uh this um spinning of

[0:47:37] Voice 13: of I like it, I don't like it, I like it, I don't like it.

[0:47:43] Voice 13: So I think that we as trustees sitting up here now,

[0:47:48] Voice 13: and I think this was part of both of our campaigns

[0:47:51] Voice 13: was that we would allow the community

[0:47:54] Voice 13: to continue to discuss items through to their conclusion,

[0:47:59] Voice 13: finding solutions that are going to work

[0:48:02] Voice 13: rather than finding solutions that only partially work.

[0:48:07] Voice 13: great

[0:48:10] Voice 7: and and so going forward we

[0:48:14] Voice 6: might want to say we're not going to go to second and third

[0:48:16] Voice 6: reading we will keep holding public hearings until everyone is satisfied then it gets sent

[0:48:24] Voice 6: you know we have the third hearing it goes to the minister's desk right so this if what you're

[0:48:32] Voice 6: saying is that the conversation was truncated and it was sent off too soon before there was

[0:48:38] Voice 6: enough time to debate the merits and i would argue enough time to to have the real

[0:48:46] Voice 6: deep and meaningful engagement with first nations that this kind of bylaw should have had

[0:48:54] Voice 6: we'd not be in this position today so i fully support deep engagement i don't want to truncate

[0:49:01] Voice 6: it um we'll just take this as a learning for next time and make sure that we do go through

[0:49:08] Voice 6: through enough public process is that fair um and for the majority can we let staff handle the

[0:49:19] Voice 6: correspondence we could talk about that's what i'd like to talk about in camera is how we

[0:49:23] Voice 6: will deal with that later okay moving on everyone satisfied yeah

[0:49:30] Voice 13: i am

[0:49:31] Voice 6: perfect all right so let's get

[0:49:33] Voice 6: to the community discussion part uh 4.3 a discussion of the work program uh so page 26

[0:49:44] Voice 6: if you're following in your agendas oh and these are right letters so we have received

[0:49:52] Voice 6: a lot of input um and i'm gonna sort of i'll let you look uh the local trustees lead this

[0:50:02] Voice 6: off, as well as you, Kim. And I'll just say that, again, for practical reasons, LTCs really can only

[0:50:14] Voice 6: handle correspondence on an upcoming, regarding an upcoming business meeting seven days in advance.

[0:50:24] Voice 6: anything received after seven days which was the 26th it may not be included so we've been

[0:50:33] Voice 6: getting letters this morning yesterday the day before and it's okay in a community of 200 and

[0:50:42] Voice 6: your local trustees I know are reading everything but staff simply cannot guarantee that that

[0:50:48] Voice 6: correspondence will be included or considered. So in future, we ask that if you have correspondence

[0:50:56] Voice 6: to your LTC and you want it addressed at the next business meeting, please send it seven days in

[0:51:03] Voice 6: advance. That is the standard for all LTCs. We cannot handle late correspondence like this.

[0:51:09] Voice 6: There's been, I don't know, 50 letters. So Kim, I'll let you lead off with this and just

[0:51:16] Voice 6: see where we're at thank

[0:51:20] Planner Stockdill (probable): you chair elliot um really 4.2 and 5.1 is is really one topic

[0:51:26] Planner Stockdill (probable): um and this is um as chair elliot said the items or correspondence that were included in the agenda

[0:51:33] Planner Stockdill (probable): were those that we've received at least um seven days before um the the meeting date um so i really

[0:51:41] Planner Stockdill (probable): don't have much to add to this because really this is an opportunity for the community to give ideas

[0:51:48] Planner Stockdill (probable): to the ltc of what the next active project may be there is also correspondence posted to our website

[0:51:56] Planner Stockdill (probable): under the projects website and it's under 2023 work program so i'm actually not going to speak

[0:52:05] Planner Stockdill (probable): too much because i think this is an opportunity for the community communities to speak but if

[0:52:10] Planner Stockdill (probable): If the LTC has any questions that they'd like me to answer, I'm certainly here to answer

[0:52:16] Planner Stockdill (probable): any questions.

[0:52:17] Planner Stockdill (probable): So I'll pass it back to you.

[0:52:20] Voice 8: Thank you, Kim.

[0:52:22] Voice 13: Quick question.

[0:52:23] Voice 13: Are we having a work program discussion first, prior to opening up the town hall section,

[0:52:28] Voice 13: or are we just combining the both?

[0:52:31] Voice 6: I think you can do it any way you like.

[0:52:34] Voice 6: Like Kim said, these are pretty much two items if you want to have a discussion and frame

[0:52:39] Voice 6: it ahead of time because you've seen a lot of correspondence or you want to open it up to the

[0:52:44] Voice 6: community now um it's up to you just keep it easy for our minute taker please so one person speaking

[0:52:53] Voice 6: at a time um

[0:52:56] Voice 13: i was just trying to think back to the work program brainstorming list that we had

[0:53:01] Voice 13: because i didn't see that in here right so

[0:53:03] Voice 13: i mean we could we could sort of walk through some of

[0:53:07] Voice 13: that and say what we can take offline and then what items are left up there for the minor project

[0:53:14] Voice 13: but I can't remember what that is and I did I would I meant to look that up before I got

[0:53:18] Voice 13: right I

[0:53:20] Voice 6: wonder Kim could you bring that up on your screen um and we could potentially share

[0:53:26] Voice 6: I don't know if you've got the host capabilities um and I can go back into the projects folder

[0:53:34] Voice 6: I've got web files open. If I can get it up sooner, I'll let you know. So current projects,

[0:53:42] Voice 6: 2023 work plan, staff report, we're looking at 05-05. Oh yeah. So if you want, I can share my

[0:53:52] Voice 6: screen.

[0:53:54] Voice 11: Is that on WebDAV or?

[0:53:57] Voice 6: It's in your web, like it's on the public website for South Pender

[0:54:02] Voice 6: current projects uh 2023 work plan it's got all the staff reports um let me just see if i can do

[0:54:15] Voice 6: this um so many

[0:54:23] Voice 8: okay we'll try this one if you've got um you'll

[0:54:40] Voice 6: not be able to until it is quit

[0:54:42] Voice 6: it no uh i'm having difficulties with that so dag are you able to navigate to

[0:54:52] Voice 13: yeah no

[0:54:53] Voice 13: we can't find it okay i'm going

[0:54:58] Voice 11: to the minutes from the last meeting

[0:55:00] Voice 11: where you were all summarized starting on page 25

[0:55:05] Voice 11: well that's the closest thing i got i can't find

[0:55:07] Voice 8: i'll send you a link um

[0:55:11] Voice 8: no i think christina no it

[0:55:18] Voice 13: was really it was the top section and blues that were all the items that

[0:55:23] Voice 13: were that were raised well

[0:55:25] Voice 11: no everything was raised and then so you have the the code so

[0:55:30] Voice 13: this is stuff that that

[0:55:31] Voice 11: could be orange just shared your restriction white is not yeah so

[0:55:35] Voice 13: the the stuff that was blue is the stuff that could that that has potential to become a minor

[0:55:39] Voice 13: project and the other stuff was stuff that we could take on outside or another jurisdiction

[0:55:44] Voice 13: has responsibility yeah there are some things in there that we can move forward is what i'm trying

[0:55:49] Voice 13: to get at um i think this discussion we can leave for the public section but i didn't know if you

[0:55:57] Voice 13: wanted to go through anything that was in the orange or the white and see if there's anything

[0:56:01] Voice 13: that we can move forward through other means or if we just like individually take stuff on and

[0:56:06] Voice 13: and report back later on on it or I just didn't want both of us to be working on the same thing

[0:56:12] Voice 13: if that's what we decided to do

[0:56:14] Voice 3: Christina

[0:56:16] Voice 6: there's the link um in the chat if you want to open it on

[0:56:21] Voice 6: your own browser to the last staff report I'm

[0:56:25] Voice 13: not on zoom because otherwise okay

[0:56:27] Voice 6: I see

[0:56:29] Voice 6: you

[0:56:30] Voice 11: can send it by email yes

[0:56:32] Voice 13: okay uh

[0:56:33] Voice 11: well I'm not sure how we best do this but can we go through

[0:56:37] Voice 11: this list there

[0:56:40] Voice 6: was a yeah so the community information meeting on march 25th gathered uh

[0:56:45] Voice 6: comments and then kim you summarized them in terms of what christina just said the local

[0:56:54] Voice 6: trust committee jurisdiction do you want me to read those off well i'm wondering

[0:57:01] Voice 11: if we should

[0:57:02] Voice 11: go through them one by one and just sort of say what we think in terms of where we think it's at

[0:57:07] Voice 11: that and then and

[0:57:08] Voice 3: then

[0:57:09] Voice 11: if we are free to have input from everyone the

[0:57:14] Voice 13: next section that's the

[0:57:15] Voice 11: next we're going to separate that yeah

[0:57:17] Voice 13: that's what i thought like if we have a look through here

[0:57:19] Voice 11: if

[0:57:20] Voice 13: you scroll down to the orange section which is shared jurisdiction and then

[0:57:24] Voice 13: the other one which

[0:57:24] Voice 13: is others so there are certain items in here that could belong that we can we can move them along

[0:57:31] Voice 13: on without it being a minor project right so that there are things that we could

[0:57:38] Voice 11: um so i'm on the

[0:57:41] Voice 11: same page with you but i'm thinking because it's not a minor project we can do it like last let's

[0:57:45] Voice 11: let's do the most difficult first all right

[0:57:48] Voice 11: i don't know i just don't want i want to do what

[0:57:54] Voice 11: we're here for yes but i

[0:57:55] Voice 13: also want us to go away and do some other work and independent of each

[0:57:59] Voice 13: other but i don't

[0:58:00] Voice 13: want us doing the same work because that's a waste of our time and we can't

[0:58:03] Voice 13: really we're not discussing anything outside of this room so yeah

[0:58:07] Voice 11: i mean i'm i'm easy do you want

[0:58:09] Voice 11: you choose we're

[0:58:10] Voice 13: going to have this discussion next okay that

[0:58:13] Voice 13: is our main discussion you want

[0:58:14] Voice 11: to start with the yeah

[0:58:15] Voice 13: so let's stop that's um with shared jurisdiction yeah so

[0:58:20] Voice 13: if we just go

[0:58:20] Voice 13: scroll down we'll just tell this blasting regulations eagle nests improved communication

[0:58:26] Voice 13: education collaboration with different jurisdictions so this piece here the improved

[0:58:32] Voice 13: improved communications piece we've been talking about um so and this this kind of goes out to

[0:58:38] Voice 13: everybody now to make sure that you're signed up and that you've got uh that you're on the

[0:58:42] Voice 13: it website you've signed up for the um for the information to come back to you we're gonna one

[0:58:49] Voice 13: of the things that we've talked about is perhaps phone calling everybody and and just making sure

[0:58:53] Voice 13: that everyone's signed up i did talk to staff and they said they have 180 current emails that are

[0:59:00] Voice 13: actively receiving and reviewing the information that's coming through. So it's just over half of

[0:59:05] Voice 13: us. So that's good, but it means that there's still half of us that aren't receiving the

[0:59:09] Voice 13: information. So I would like to improve that. So we had discussed a little bit that this would

[0:59:22] Voice 13: be a good idea, I think, at our last meeting. But how are we going to do that? I was thinking of

[0:59:30] Voice 13: of like each of us just start phone calling people and just letting you know that we're

[0:59:34] Voice 13: kind of calling and say hey are you signed up for the on the on the islands trust website for

[0:59:39] Voice 13: information just as just as a one one one of these items and then at least we've got one thing moving

[0:59:47] Voice 13: forward so

[0:59:50] Voice 11: can we as we go through them say we're we're going to keep moving forward on this

[0:59:56] Voice 11: not necessarily a big meeting or whatever we're just going

[0:59:59] Voice 13: to carry on yeah

[0:59:59] Voice 13: Yeah.

[1:00:00] Voice 13: if we're not talking about anything that offside and then what's further down we've got the

[1:00:06] Voice 13: emergency helicopter landing that

[1:00:08] Voice 11: starts on that's yeah

[1:00:09] Voice 11: this is the

[1:00:10] Voice 13: this is the outset this is the

[1:00:12] Voice 13: other

[1:00:12] Voice 11: do you want to start going through that well or

[1:00:14] Voice 13: did you have anything else that you wanted to

[1:00:15] Voice 13: deal with this year well i wanted to move forward i think right now for me this is about all that i

[1:00:22] Voice 13: can do well

[1:00:27] Voice 11: i think the collaboration with different jurisdictions is kind of ongoing

[1:00:32] Voice 11: going and we are doing that like we're meeting you know trustees are invited to attend meetings

[1:00:39] Voice 11: with adam olson for instance yeah and

[1:00:42] Voice 11: we meet other authorities there sometimes in meetings

[1:00:45] Voice 11: and so we have discussions with them so to me that's just an ongoing kind of thing um it doesn't

[1:00:52] Voice 11: need it's not taking away time or displacing anything else so i'm fine with us staying on

[1:00:58] Voice 11: there as well. But are you willing to help me with that work? Oh was that the question? Yes.

[1:01:05] Voice 11: I have to confess my fingernails are dirty. I've been in the garden for the last little while

[1:01:10] Voice 11: desperately trying to get everything done so I can do this work. So I put off phoning you and helping

[1:01:18] Voice 11: you with that work. Yes I commit. Okay so

[1:01:22] Voice 13: just so that you know I'm going to be away for two weeks

[1:01:26] Voice 13: in June so I'm not going to be able to do any anything until I get that but then I would like

[1:01:31] Voice 13: to I think this is really important for our community to make sure that everyone's receiving

[1:01:35] Voice 13: information yeah so that that's why I would like to just sort of go through this and just highlight

[1:01:39] Voice 13: I think this is important for us to move forward on just that you and I have something that we

[1:01:44] Voice 13: agree on yeah okay

[1:01:45] Voice 13: okay

[1:01:47] Voice 11: other jurisdictions and

[1:01:49] Voice 13: this is stuff that's all come from from you guys

[1:01:51] Voice 11: yeah this is the list that we brainstormed yeah um this this is now moving into the part

[1:01:57] Voice 11: that we do not have jurisdiction over where the option we have is we could

[1:02:04] Voice 11: say we you know we can send a letter saying we would want something to happen but we have

[1:02:11] Voice 11: no jurisdiction over so emergency helicopter landing we're not going to do anything with that

[1:02:17] Voice 11: I don't think. Encourage installation of solar arrays, rainwater catchment, incentive programs and education.

[1:02:27] Voice 11: I would like to stay open to opportunities when it comes to that.

[1:02:33] Voice 13: That could be like a community program versus an LTC run thing.

[1:02:39] Voice 13: Right.

[1:02:43] Voice 11: Yes. But I'm looking for if we can endorse a program that's, you know, not from us.

[1:02:51] Voice 11: I think that would be great for us to say yes to be re-endorsed. This is a good program.

[1:02:57] Voice 11: For safety fire smart education, we should try to share information about workshops or

[1:03:06] Voice 11: information as it comes up, but otherwise I don't see that we're going to run the thing

[1:03:12] Voice 11: unless your husband wants to.

[1:03:16] Voice 6: He's looking away. May I interject just a suggestion here?

[1:03:20] Voice 6: Salt Spring Island is part of their OCP review has been to work on fire safety in the coastal Douglas fir ecosystem.

[1:03:32] Voice 6: And I've recently seen some really good webinars that are on, you know, how you can create fire safe homes and what does fire safety look like in a dry and coastal Douglas fir ecosystem.

[1:03:51] Voice 6: ecosystem so i encourage people if you want to go to salt spring um i think it's salt spring

[1:03:58] Voice 6: solutions and transition salt spring they're putting together quite a few webinars with

[1:04:05] Voice 6: experts around this area so there could be some opportunity for leveraging the education that

[1:04:11] Voice 6: they're putting out okay

[1:04:14] Voice 13: maybe we can put that in an email and um advice and and maybe we can

[1:04:19] Voice 13: talk to salt spring and see if we can have have people here view it as well that's good

[1:04:28] Voice 13: um the water supply and and uh water supply for forest fires yeah i think we had um one of the

[1:04:39] Voice 13: members stand up from the fire department and talk about that last time emergency preparedness

[1:04:46] Voice 13: plan and evacuation routes so we do have most neighborhoods has an emergency coordinator

[1:04:53] Voice 13: coordinator, volunteer coordinator. So that'd also be someone good to talk to. Bridge maintenance.

[1:05:01] Voice 13: I think we just

[1:05:02] Voice 13: have an update on it.

[1:05:06] Voice 13: Next week, BC Hydro notification when clearing areas

[1:05:13] Voice 13: to decrease outages. So I have seen them around.

[1:05:17] Voice 11: Yes, they came around to clear under the power

[1:05:19] Voice 11: lines which was very impressive. They must

[1:05:22] Voice 11: have heard us. Yes an interesting experience I had

[1:05:25] Voice 11: because I have a long driveway with the power lines on either side of it and they went through

[1:05:30] Voice 11: with their trucks and their buckets and cleared branches and you know and small trees and then

[1:05:36] Voice 11: I have a Arbutus tree that has a blue dot on it and for those of you who don't know the blue dot

[1:05:40] Voice 11: means this is a dangerous tree that could fall on a tree in the storm and it's to be removed and

[1:05:47] Voice 11: and it's been identified and it's in our database.

[1:05:49] Voice 11: The blue dot tree is still there.

[1:05:51] Voice 11: So I asked

[1:05:52] Voice 11: them, after they were done,

[1:05:53] Voice 11: I asked them, the crew, what's up with that, you know?

[1:05:57] Voice 11: And I said it politely, of course.

[1:06:00] Voice 11: And they said that there has to be a cost estimate

[1:06:05] Voice 11: in order for them to take it down

[1:06:07] Voice 11: so that it's priced, basically, the job of taking it down.

[1:06:11] Voice 11: So anyway, so supposedly it'll happen.

[1:06:13] Voice 13: we could ask about the fact that the fact that it comes down and the power doesn't work

[1:06:20] Voice 13: that's great

[1:06:20] Voice 11: i've had those thoughts yep anyway i'm i'm veering way off topic now

[1:06:27] Voice 13: i think because

[1:06:27] Voice 13: this is not to

[1:06:28] Voice 13: give you a little more information okay there are a lot of blue trees are not in the

[1:06:33] Voice 13: inventory because when they looked at them the previous group that were rather zealous in what

[1:06:40] Voice 13: the new groups are less jealous so those trees are out i have two trees

[1:06:48] Voice 13: we're not going to do that so they're going to do that oh okay thank you do they have another

[1:06:55] Voice 13: comment that's that let's

[1:06:58] Voice 6: we nearly we nearly finished our discussion and

[1:07:00] Voice 13: then we'll open it

[1:07:01] Voice 13: up to the floor yeah

[1:07:03] Voice 6: i'm just going to say trustees that we can't hear comments from the

[1:07:07] Voice 6: floor at this point physically can't hear them through the zoom so they're not being recorded

[1:07:12] Voice 6: i don't think in the minute so when we get to that part we'll have to turn the camera around

[1:07:18] Voice 6: or something so

[1:07:20] Voice 13: three more items there was a welcome package for new property owners and that

[1:07:23] Voice 13: goes through the chamber of commerce uh dear population control that's done through rcmp and

[1:07:29] Voice 13: a rural block watch program is done through the rcmp so these things like the rural block watch

[1:07:35] Voice 13: program it would be a community initiative that's that's done by you and your neighbors

[1:07:40] Voice 13: um the

[1:07:41] Voice 11: deer population is crd what

[1:07:43] Voice 13: did i say

[1:07:44] Voice 11: rcmp i

[1:07:45] Voice 13: thought it's the deer population crd and

[1:07:46] Voice 13: the rural block is rcmp okay yeah i

[1:07:49] Voice 13: said it quickly yeah um and

[1:07:53] Voice 11: i could have said rcmp

[1:07:54] Voice 13: because i was reading ahead okay so i think the only thing that we're actively going to work on

[1:07:58] Voice 13: is the communications for self-contained rights for LTC information and that's going to take up

[1:08:08] Voice 13: a significant amount of our time trying

[1:08:10] Voice 13: to beat you all and so bear with us. All right so I think

[1:08:16] Voice 13: that unless you want to discuss this privately first as in just you and I before we open it up

[1:08:22] Voice 13: to the floor or do you want to open it up to the floor? I mean I would go okay so let's read off

[1:08:31] Voice 13: read off what was put on the list originally so we've got revisit bylaw 122 review house

[1:08:38] Voice 13: footprint and floor area review bylaw 123 review short-term vacation rental regulations

[1:08:46] Voice 13: reconciliation activities affordable housing options

[1:08:52] Voice 13: which include secondary suites garage apartments and other options

[1:08:56] Voice 13: review regulations on bunkies and trailers employee housing groundwater studies protection

[1:09:04] Voice 13: of forest ltc meeting notices and ltc email subscriber notification and surveys to collect

[1:09:13] Voice 13: comments from community members so i would say that by us doing the phone calling and getting

[1:09:18] Voice 13: as many people as possible to sign up on the IT website for information that the LTC meeting

[1:09:26] Voice 13: notices and LTC email subscriber notification would be taken care of through that, okay?

[1:09:33] Voice 13: And then to me, the majority of the other items all relate to housing with the exception of the

[1:09:41] Voice 13: groundwater studies and protection of forest and I think that will tie into

[1:09:50] Voice 13: a lot of that could tie into the bylaw 122 discussion and based on the amount of

[1:10:00] Voice 13: correspondence we got on bylaw 122 it seems that there is more discussion to be had on that topic

[1:10:07] Voice 13: pick and so perhaps a number of these items could be brought into it would be in my field yeah okay

[1:10:22] Voice 4: um

[1:10:24] Voice 11: yeah i'm not sure everything fits in perfectly under 122 um but it's got a similar heading in

[1:10:33] Voice 11: some cases but i think will be a different treatment of it all together in my view but yeah

[1:10:37] Voice 11: yeah okay so

[1:10:40] Voice 13: that's that's all i have to say on the the correspondence we've received and

[1:10:45] Voice 13: what's on the list

[1:10:46] Voice 3: yeah

[1:10:48] Voice 11: uh well it seems like that's the item that we got the most uh comments

[1:10:55] Voice 11: on revisiting the bylaw number one two two may

[1:11:01] Voice 6: i add though that bylaw 123 although we couldn't

[1:11:04] Voice 6: hear comments on it, people did write in quite a bit. So perhaps consideration of First Nations

[1:11:12] Voice 6: engagement and the contents of sort of the reconciliation aspect of Bylaw 123 might also

[1:11:21] Voice 6: be considered

[1:11:22] Voice 7: sort of a separate, I don't know. I just saw a lot of commentary on, or people who

[1:11:32] Voice 7: wanted to comment on bylaw 123.

[1:11:38] Voice 13: okay so unless do you have anything to say no

[1:11:42] Voice 11: i'm going to put

[1:11:43] Voice 11: with that so we're going to move into hearing comments now yeah

[1:11:46] Voice 3: i think so so

[1:11:47] Voice 11: just so that

[1:11:48] Voice 11: we're very clear what's our objective here we're trying to identify a minor project yeah

[1:11:54] Voice 3: and we're

[1:11:55] Voice 11: not trying to prioritize things below that we're just trying to pick one thing that's going to be

[1:12:00] Voice 13: a

[1:12:00] Voice 11: minor project that's

[1:12:01] Voice 13: going to be our next minor project okay

[1:12:04] Voice 11: so we kind of just want to limit it

[1:12:05] Voice 11: so we don't go all over the map so

[1:12:07] Voice 13: the other items still remain as future future projects

[1:12:11] Voice 13: this is going to be our minor one that

[1:12:14] Voice 13: we work on first yeah

[1:12:15] Voice 11: and it doesn't preclude that some

[1:12:17] Voice 11: other things may happen simultaneously if it doesn't take our time and effort and budget away

[1:12:22] Voice 11: way but the minor project will obviously be prioritized yes okay

[1:12:27] Voice 11: so

[1:12:28] Voice 6: sorry and just just for

[1:12:30] Voice 6: the future i think it would be helpful for staff if the future projects list was also listed in

[1:12:36] Voice 6: priority because that's how they treat it is whatever is number one is considered the priority

[1:12:44] Voice 6: priority future project yeah what's the feedback that i've had anyway so yeah

[1:12:51] Voice 11: if we can get to that

[1:12:52] Voice 11: sure

[1:12:53] Voice 6: i

[1:12:53] Voice 13: think i think really there are like you said there really are two items that that

[1:12:58] Voice 13: have loaded to the top here and that was vital 122 and reconciliation now

[1:13:05] Voice 11: i'm gonna try something

[1:13:07] Voice 11: on my computer here to see if i can get your microphone to work better i'm gonna unplug the

[1:13:12] Voice 11: external speaker can somebody speak in the far back hey what's happening did you hear that

[1:13:19] Voice 11: did it improve okay perfect oh can't hear her yeah can

[1:13:26] Voice 11: you speak i don't

[1:13:29] Voice 6: speak this is not my

[1:13:30] Voice 6: part so go for it you're

[1:13:34] Voice 11: on computer speaker now so a little less perfect but yeah and uh

[1:13:39] Voice 11: you can sort of see everybody a little easier.

[1:13:44] Voice 13: Greg?

[1:13:44] Voice 13: I think we would ask if you can speak your name clearly

[1:13:48] Voice 13: and then make your comment

[1:13:50] Voice 13: and we'll start a speaker's list

[1:13:53] Voice 13: as soon as I can find a pen.

[1:13:55] Voice 3: Oh, I can do it.

[1:13:57] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:13:58] Voice 13: Do you want some paper first?

[1:14:03] Voice 4: Still, he's made fun of us about a speaker's list.

[1:14:05] Voice 4: All right.

[1:14:13] Voice 13: Yes, go ahead.

[1:14:14] Voice 13: head. Am I up? Yeah, you're up. You're

[1:14:18] Voice 13: up first. Go ahead.

[1:14:19] Voice 12: Well done. Rick Friesen,

[1:14:22] Voice 12: Canal Road, South Pender Island. Previous meetings, there were some speakers from Canal

[1:14:27] Voice 12: Road on North Pender Island, so I just want to make it clear. My concern is that I've seen a lot

[1:14:34] Voice 12: of stuff on Bill 122, some for, some against, but I don't see any place to hang those comments

[1:14:45] Voice 12: in that we don't have a motion on the floor to or in the

[1:14:51] Voice 13: with the ltc to rescind or confirm or to do

[1:14:57] Voice 13: modify bill 122 it seems to me that the priority if we want to open up the discussion on bill 122

[1:15:06] Voice 13: that a motion go to the floor say whatever to rescind it or to amend it and then all these

[1:15:13] Voice 13: these comments in the public forum have a place to be hung and received. Otherwise it's

[1:15:19] Voice 13: just venting back and forth in town hall meetings to no avail.

[1:15:25] Voice 13: So until a decision is made on what the minor project is to be, we can't make a motion.

[1:15:32] Voice 13: So we need to hear from the community what it is that you want us to focus on. Once that's

[1:15:39] Voice 13: clear then we can make a motion to open it up and decide on what actions are going to be taken this

[1:15:47] Voice 13: isn't happening right now what we're what's happening right now is we're hearing from you

[1:15:52] Voice 13: okay and

[1:15:53] Voice 11: can i respond a little bit is that appropriate yeah yeah

[1:15:59] Voice 11: i step into it all the time so um my perspective on on the motion before we can

[1:16:06] Voice 11: discuss it kind of procedure, which is the proper procedure. I'm a little out of line with that, so

[1:16:15] Voice 11: the downside to it, the cost that could happen with that, is if you have a motion,

[1:16:20] Voice 11: the motion is narrow, right? By definition you narrowed it down and you made a motion

[1:16:25] Voice 11: and you can discuss the pros and the cons of a motion which is already limited. If we have a

[1:16:32] Voice 11: really constructive discussion together first looking at all the possibilities you have a broad

[1:16:40] Voice 11: range like the playing field is wide open and you can have creativity coming in you can put pieces

[1:16:47] Voice 11: together in a certain way which would in future lead to a very smart and clever motion that could

[1:16:55] Voice 11: then be debated but with sometimes putting a motion forward that may or may not be kind of

[1:17:00] Voice 11: ready or may or may not hit people's kind of expectations or wishes you can spend a lot of

[1:17:04] Voice 11: time fighting for or against fighting for so that's my hesitation in the approach of waiting

[1:17:10] Voice 11: for a motion first i think there is value to my point of view there is value in having a broad

[1:17:17] Voice 11: discussion before we jump to the motions but i'm out of line because the procedures are very clear

[1:17:23] Voice 11: for the trial so that's the procedure we're supposed to follow but you know yeah i'm gonna

[1:17:29] Voice 13: i'm going to answer that as well we can have a full discussion prior and it's actually

[1:17:34] Voice 13: encouraged through the process okay well

[1:17:36] Voice 3: there you go that's why we're doing this

[1:17:39] Voice 13: um so uh daphne my name is daphne terkel we are on canal road uh seven pender

[1:17:50] Voice 13: um i think that our minor project should be either the the descending or the

[1:18:02] Voice 13: altering of bylaw 122 for a number of reasons one of which is that it has made a whole bunch

[1:18:11] Voice 13: of people's properties the legal non-conforming which affects them when it comes to in many cases

[1:18:19] Voice 13: their insurance for their properties i also believe that it is restricting our private

[1:18:29] Voice 13: enjoyment of our properties and our homes by somebody else telling us how

[1:18:34] Voice 13: we're supposed to be living on our property. I know for a fact that every

[1:18:39] Voice 13: single person I have met on this island north and south is 100% on board with

[1:18:45] Voice 13: protecting our environment and the beautiful piece of nature that we are

[1:18:50] Voice 13: occupying. So I believe that that bylaw put in place is basically telling us

[1:18:59] Voice 13: what we're supposed to do with our own properties acting as though we are irresponsible school

[1:19:04] Voice 13: children who are going to go littering and destroying and you know absolutely ruining

[1:19:10] Voice 13: this beautiful world that we're living in and um it's offensive and i believe that it is quite

[1:19:18] Voice 13: frankly a violation of our charter rights as landowners and citizens of this community

[1:19:26] Voice 13: I don't I don't have anything to say to that do you know just thank you very much yeah okay um

[1:19:34] Voice 13: Paul you were next Paul Petrie-Gallon from Point Road um just a uh a clarification of something

[1:19:42] Voice 13: that was discussed earlier a number of letters have come in before this meeting expressing views

[1:19:49] Voice 13: for some people who couldn't attend the meeting will those be considered by the trustees

[1:19:54] Voice 13: these they will be considered but it depends on what we're talking about here um so the letters

[1:20:04] Voice 13: that were received will obviously be considered by us it's just they're not going to say if they

[1:20:10] Voice 13: receive late they're not going to be part of this agenda because they came in too late i i understand

[1:20:17] Voice 13: they

[1:20:17] Planner Stockdill (probable): can't be posted

[1:20:18] Voice 13: because they came in too late they will be posted

[1:20:20] Voice 13: i'm sure that that some

[1:20:22] Voice 13: of them in time can get can all wind up on the on the website it's just they can't get it the staff

[1:20:27] Voice 13: can't handle the volume in such a short period that's that's what we're trying to understand

[1:20:32] Voice 13: to

[1:20:33] Voice 3: clarify so as long as

[1:20:34] Voice 13: i have their their assurance that they will be considered anything

[1:20:39] Voice 13: that we can consider will be considered so if it became in post um public hearing then we can't

[1:20:45] Voice 13: consider it post oh no sorry i'm talking about the work program what we're here to discuss now

[1:20:53] Voice 13: because a lot if it was yeah the 123 you can't consider you've dealt with that issue we're now

[1:21:00] faced with how to go forward and that's what i speak to for sure um so i think um

[1:21:06] Voice 13: it was very

[1:21:08] Voice 13: instructive to read the minister's letter about consultation he was so she

[1:21:16] Voice 13: was actually thank you it was initially he and then there was a switch in

[1:21:21] Voice 13: portfolio supportive of the direction that South Pender was taking but

[1:21:29] but encouraging us to do more and do better.

[1:21:32] Voice 13: And the framework, the Standing Resolution 2019-015

[1:21:42] Voice 13: does provide guidance for the local trust committee there.

[1:21:46] And I think that's very helpful.

[1:21:49] And I

[1:21:50] Voice 13: think that there's steps,

[1:21:53] Voice 13: some guidance to move forward on that,

[1:21:55] Voice 13: a framework to move forward.

[1:21:57] Voice 13: I like Chair Elliott's comment that establishing the relationship is important. I would say that

[1:22:05] Voice 13: there already is a long-standing relationship between the Wasanich people and South Pender

[1:22:13] Voice 13: Islanders through the Historical Society and through other groups over the last nine years.

[1:22:20] Voice 13: There have been a number of projects that probably the funding, if I can just roughly

[1:22:25] Voice 13: say about three hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of projects have

[1:22:30] Voice 13: gone forward with CRD funding and other funding so good progress has been made

[1:22:38] and it's not about

[1:22:40] Voice 13: just a statement of introduction or acknowledgement but it's

[1:22:43] Voice 13: really establishing the relationship the important thing here is that in the

[1:22:49] Voice 13: letter from the minister he alluded to fund she alluded to funding that the ministry has provided

[1:22:57] Voice 13: the trust to move forward on this and to me this is a very timely issue there are resources available

[1:23:06] Voice 13: to proceed with this issue we have a framework within this

[1:23:10] Voice 13: LTC to move forward we are looking at an area in the trust the Bedwell Harbor Basin which is one

[1:23:20] Voice 13: of the most important areas for historical settlements of First Nations Coast Salish

[1:23:26] Voice 13: people well over 5,000 years of established settlement through archaeological records and

[1:23:32] Voice 13: certainly longer with First Nations stories, I would strongly encourage the trustees to consider

[1:23:40] Voice 13: this the minor project moving forward because it will require some staff resources, it will require

[1:23:47] Voice 13: some logistical arrangements, and I think that if we're serious about this we need to establish it

[1:23:55] Voice 13: it as a project moving forward. So thank you for considering my

[1:23:59] Voice 13: views.

[1:24:02] Voice 13: Anything that you'd like?

[1:24:05] Voice 11: No, thank you for your comment. But maybe it's a place for me to

[1:24:10] Voice 11: just clarify my thoughts on receiving comments. Like it's,

[1:24:17] Voice 11: this isn't operating like a like a vote, you know, a comment. I

[1:24:21] Voice 11: don't I don't see it as a vote as you know, X number of letters

[1:24:24] Voice 11: came in for this thing and X number came in for that. And if 51% came in for one side,

[1:24:30] Voice 11: we're obligated. That's how we're going to vote. I don't see it as that. In reading the comments

[1:24:38] Voice 11: now and the previous comments on all the topics, if I can ask, as you're thinking about reading,

[1:24:46] Voice 11: I mean, writing comments, what's helpful to me and what will help me to make a decision

[1:24:51] Voice 11: is if you identify what the challenge is or the issue that you're trying to address the thing

[1:24:58] Voice 11: perhaps in most cases is something you're unhappy with that you want to see a change happen so that

[1:25:03] Voice 11: you can be happy with you know with what's happening if you could identify what that is

[1:25:09] Voice 11: and what what are the issues or the proposed change that you want to see and how does your

[1:25:15] Voice 11: proposed change achieve the the thing that we want to achieve because that I can do something with

[1:25:24] Voice 11: I can't do a lot with the comment that says I'm in favor of or I'm opposed to rescinding bylaw

[1:25:31] Voice 11: whatever because that's a that's an opinion and you may have each person may have lots of different

[1:25:38] Voice 11: background thoughts on that which I'm not privy to at that point and I it's so it's not a strong

[1:25:43] Voice 11: argument it's just okay so a lot of people want this and a lot of people want that i can't do a

[1:25:48] Voice 11: lot with them but if you can just write what's your what's the issue what is your proposal

[1:25:56] Voice 11: and how you know what is how does that proposal fix the actual problem that you're concerned about

[1:26:02] Voice 11: then i can say that makes sense yeah well that's true but there's also this and then i can have a

[1:26:08] Voice 11: discussion you know through these kind of meetings with you about that and my thoughts on it then we

[1:26:13] Voice 11: have a meaningful dialogue. And so just to give you power to influence me, that's what I request.

[1:26:23] Voice 13: I was just going to add also to what I heard there from

[1:26:27] Voice 13: John Paul, and we had this discussion a little briefly earlier regarding reconciliation,

[1:26:33] Voice 13: that this could actually turn into a major project requiring additional funds. This is

[1:26:38] Voice 13: something that if we are going to move forward, and I think that it is highly important, we would

[1:26:43] Voice 13: need to create a business case um to request um reconciliation be at the ltc's major project and

[1:26:53] Voice 13: we still then have to decide on what the minor project would be that would sort of be my um

[1:27:00] Voice 13: my my my direction that

[1:27:01] Voice 13: i'd like to to go in um dennis dennis

[1:27:08] Voice 13: um i wasn't planning on talking about 133 as we want to do because i thought it was really

[1:27:16] Voice 13: important that uh it be rescinded partly because working with it is too difficult again it's it's

[1:27:24] Voice 13: uh it's from the trustee's point of view what he said about 123 i think it's the baby that

[1:27:29] Voice 13: nobody wanted um you know you have to start fresh with your own ideas you adopt something that's

[1:27:34] Voice 13: already there and it's got flaws in it um and we had a pretty good bylaw before once we got in

[1:27:41] Voice 13: so that was my point is that we the rescinding of this most important i wanted to go back now

[1:27:45] Voice 13: because what Paul said about 123. I agree that this is a very important thing to do. However,

[1:27:54] Voice 13: I don't see it as a project. I like the idea what the Chair said. This is something we do.

[1:27:58] Voice 3: This

[1:27:59] Voice 13: is something we do. Don't make it a project. Don't make First Nations your project. That's a

[1:28:04] Voice 13: wrong colonial attitude. It's an activity that we take part in, they take part in.

[1:28:09] Voice 13: As soon as you make them your project, you're losing it already. So I suggest don't make that

[1:28:15] Voice 13: a project it's just an activity as a chair suggested something that we all do maybe

[1:28:19] Voice 13: between ltcs within the communities the meetings the face-to-face all that stuff just do that

[1:28:26] Voice 13: and take it out of the project list so don't have a reconciliation statement is what you're saying

[1:28:31] Voice 13: yeah a statement is fine but you do already have a statement in here i mean if you've got uh you

[1:28:37] Voice 13: know a statement for south panda what you're supposed to be doing already it's already in

[1:28:42] Voice 13: that um you guys talked about it earlier so it's there to start with i don't think you have to go

[1:28:48] Voice 13: into great depth about you know we're gonna you know we're gonna do these with the plants and

[1:28:52] Voice 13: we're gonna do this with the trees and we're gonna do that especially when they haven't asked for any

[1:28:55] Voice 13: of this right i think to put that kind of stuff on the table as a gift is wrong like we gotta get it

[1:29:01] Voice 13: so that's why i'm saying i think if you're going to make a statement it has to be very general

[1:29:07] Voice 13: that maybe it's something related to how we're going to behave really is what we're talking

[1:29:13] Voice 13: about not making a project that's all i'm saying i think if you make it a

[1:29:17] Voice 13: project you've already

[1:29:18] Voice 13: taken a step in the wrong direction um well i wanted to comment what doug said that i agree

[1:29:29] Voice 13: with you doug um about it's not helpful to say yay or nay about 122 actually about anything really

[1:29:37] Voice 13: and you said about what's important for all of you well what's really important to me most

[1:29:41] Voice 13: most important to me of anything of all the issues is that we get along and i never ever ever

[1:29:49] Voice 13: want what happened last the last time i thought that was awful horrible um people there are

[1:29:57] Voice 13: people who are not talking um

[1:30:00] Voice 13: when you're not talking. I just hope that never ever happens again and that we

[1:30:05] Voice 13: guard against it. And I also think as well that when you say we're sending 122 and

[1:30:12] Voice 13: I'm only just thinking this now because that's kind of might be a remedy when

[1:30:18] Voice 13: you have an action plan. So 122 is full of all sorts of issues. House size, what

[1:30:26] Voice 13: happens on house size on farmland um the water tanks the storage the setbacks way way too many

[1:30:35] Voice 13: things so what we should be thinking about what what is important to us are setbacks important

[1:30:41] Voice 13: can setbacks be um maneuvered uh certain parts of the island and checked or what so that is one

[1:30:49] Voice 13: thing that maybe that's important that we should think about um as opposed to yeah and i agree one

[1:30:55] Voice 13: 122 just saying day or nay is not very helpful so what's important and a lot of people are not

[1:31:01] Voice 13: going to like that

[1:31:01] Voice 13: i would even mention the word setback but we have to talk about this because

[1:31:08] Voice 13: it's an issue and we may change nothing or change something or um kind of um tinker with some part

[1:31:16] Voice 13: of some finger and not others but it's something that we could talk about well that's my take on

[1:31:24] Voice 13: everything and including like farmland there's 10

[1:31:26] Voice 13: 10 farms on south kinder island i have one of them

[1:31:30] Voice 13: and um you know i don't i think that the land reserve commission is taking care of the sizes

[1:31:38] Voice 13: uh buildings and everything else and we don't need to interfere with that so that was my issue

[1:31:43] Voice 13: i also have another issue and i have canadian police on my farm lots and lots of thieves

[1:31:53] Voice 13: you're welcome to run in and scream at them

[1:31:58] Voice 13: no no no i have talked uh about um non-violent methods so i have my spinner spaniel

[1:32:06] Voice 13: it's not violent it's not

[1:32:08] Voice 13: no because he's your retriever and a bird dog so he's like shelly

[1:32:11] Voice 13: really i must be chasing her but he gets a cookie every time he does it so anyway

[1:32:17] Voice 13: Anyway, you're welcome to go to the farm and take two chips, two chips, two chips, a jar of chips.

[1:32:27] Voice 13: Thank you, Shirley. Do you have any comments?

[1:32:31] Voice 11: No, thank you for your comments. Thank

[1:32:33] Voice 13: you, Jane.

[1:32:36] Voice 13: Jane Kirch also on Canal Road, South Kansas. A few things I just wanted to mention.

[1:32:42] Voice 13: One, just going back to the Chair's comment that this is not to do specifically with by-laws.

[1:32:47] Voice 13: The request that, you know, correspondents come in seven to ten days ahead of the agenda,

[1:32:55] Voice 13: and that's fine, but what happens is we don't get the agenda until that time.

[1:33:00] Voice 13: Sometimes we want to speak to what's in the agenda,

[1:33:03] Voice 13: and so there's no opportunity to do so

[1:33:05] Voice 13: until we've actually seen that agenda.

[1:33:07] Voice 13: So I just

[1:33:07] Voice 13: point that out, the problem that we have to deal with.

[1:33:12] Voice 13: um in terms of bylaw 122 you know my position is very clear that i think we need to go back to

[1:33:19] Voice 13: bylaw 104 and i say that because um i just wonder what's happening with planning now because that

[1:33:25] Voice 13: bylaw took two terms of studies to get to bylaw one four it was it was totally reduced there were

[1:33:34] Voice 13: people in our community who they both focus groups and we looked clearly at that point

[1:33:39] Voice 13: and then eventually over the future got to by law 114 at the end of those two

[1:33:45] Voice 13: post terms. Now we have then mastered two new policies and all of a sudden what we had

[1:33:51] Voice 13: just worked on we thought of the question of topics again and if we do

[1:33:55] Voice 13: that again this is not funny. We have a plan and it should be in place until

[1:34:01] Voice 13: there is a need to review something. I expect in the next well maybe the provincial

[1:34:06] Voice 13: Provincial government is coming out with some maybe ideas that we will have to go back and

[1:34:12] Voice 13: change that plan, like in terms of housing.

[1:34:15] Voice 13: So it is coming.

[1:34:16] Voice 13: I don't think that every time we have a trustee, we have to go back and open that part.

[1:34:21] Voice 13: It's not planning.

[1:34:22] Voice 13: Planning has not done that.

[1:34:23] Voice 13: I would just like to say, once we have a fact statement, there's a reason that's very important

[1:34:37] Voice 13: that we need to go back.

[1:34:42] Voice 13: One, two, three.

[1:34:43] Voice 13: I agree with that. It's not a project. I think in terms of meeting with First Nations, I think what you're doing and what the chair has suggested is great. And I think I'd like to extend that to have that meeting with us in the community as well. We're part of the community. So why don't we invite First Nations? Why don't we have a lunch together? So start the process.

[1:35:13] Voice 3: sorry

[1:35:14] Voice 6: um may i just interrupt i just want to check with the minute taker because i couldn't

[1:35:20] Voice 6: entirely hear um your comments and just want to check that we've got the substance of what you

[1:35:30] Voice 6: said um

[1:35:33] Voice 9: in a brief summary i noted that this speaker uh mrs perch uh indicated that she does

[1:35:43] Voice 9: does not feel that bylaw 122 took two terms to complete

[1:35:47] Voice 9: and does not feel that a thing should necessarily be changed

[1:35:51] Voice 9: by incoming trustees unless there's significant reason to do so.

[1:35:55] Voice 13: No, I'd like to correct that.

[1:35:57] Voice 13: Bylaw 114 took two terms and focus groups

[1:36:01] Voice 13: and a lot of community meetings to finally reach an accord

[1:36:05] Voice 13: that the community was able to live with.

[1:36:10] Voice 13: and then the very next term new trustees came in reopened it and pushed through something else

[1:36:16] Voice 6: understood yeah

[1:36:18] Voice 13: thank

[1:36:21] Voice 6: you so much so

[1:36:23] Voice 13: the request from and correct me if i'm wrong the request from

[1:36:26] Voice 13: from mrs perch was that we revert back to bylaw 114 unless there is and not revisit the um

[1:36:35] Voice 13: the the community plan again unless there is a need that's brought forward did i get that right

[1:36:45] Voice 13: in the same course

[1:36:56] Voice 13: yeah okay

[1:36:57] Voice 3: so what you're saying is

[1:36:58] Voice 13: you don't want 122 revisited i do want it

[1:37:01] Voice 13: sorry if i'm misinterpreted okay yeah i think she got that you you yeah

[1:37:09] Voice 13: thank you i think that was good yes

[1:37:11] Voice 9: okay

[1:37:12] Voice 13: so the next on my list i've got donna and then i've got

[1:37:15] Voice 13: heather and i live on east side road and um today i suppose first of all i would like to thank

[1:37:27] Voice 13: planner stockdale for explaining the part about public hearing because all we've ever been told is

[1:37:33] Voice 13: we can't take comments after a public hearing so understanding how that backs everything up i think

[1:37:40] Voice 13: helps the community so if you hear more from us you have to hear more from everybody and they

[1:37:46] Voice 13: have to have the same opportunity we get it it's a simple explanation too bad we didn't have it before

[1:37:53] Voice 13: so um first nation so we definitely and and um dennis's comments are really good ones but this

[1:38:04] Voice 13: isn't something for south pender to do we can do it as a community we can do it as people

[1:38:10] Voice 13: we can do it in partnership this is something that there are people in political positions

[1:38:18] Voice 13: paid a shit lot more than the rest of us and that's

[1:38:21] Voice 13: their job and their job

[1:38:23] Voice 13: to bring it forward

[1:38:24] Voice 13: make that reconciliation work and help us with the direction that we should go in it's not ours

[1:38:31] Voice 13: to tell first nations what that reconciliation is going to look like and whether what what we think

[1:38:38] Voice 13: it looks like to them so we need to be cognizant of that and i believe that that's part of what

[1:38:44] Voice 13: the minister's letter said it's a little difficult to interpret some of that stuff that's in there

[1:38:49] Voice 13: but i think we all got our hands slapped for doing something we shouldn't have done move

[1:38:54] Voice 13: the way out in front of it it was a good was a good idea which is when bylaw 122.

[1:39:03] Voice 13: There are a number of problems with Bylaw 122, and it tried, and I'm going to try and address this as DAG's act to us too, and it tried to solve some problems which it didn't solve, didn't change, and things that just came out of the woodwork.

[1:39:22] Voice 13: doing what we did with STVR

[1:39:26] Voice 13: has not changed anything with regard to

[1:39:28] Voice 13: housing on South Kendra Island

[1:39:29] Voice 13: there are 300 people who live

[1:39:32] Voice 13: here

[1:39:32] Voice 13: we went through a pandemic when this

[1:39:36] Voice 13: bylaw was stuffed through and that's

[1:39:38] Voice 13: exactly what happened, it was stuffed through

[1:39:40] Voice 13: and

[1:39:42] Voice 13: if we

[1:39:46] Voice 13: can't

[1:39:46] Voice 13: regulate how people

[1:39:49] Voice 13: use their homes by telling them

[1:39:51] Voice 13: that they can't use them in a certain

[1:39:54] Voice 13: in the way. It's not fair. We don't have a whole bunch of them. They haven't grown exponentially

[1:39:59] Voice 13: in 10 years. We need to

[1:40:01] Voice 13: fix that. And if we're going to encourage people to come and visit

[1:40:04] Voice 13: South Bender, they have to have a place to go. And that's not $800 a night for a hotel

[1:40:10] Voice 13: room in a very good state. Groundwater and storage. I have personal experience with the

[1:40:19] Voice 13: storage thing, but it got increased. There was no transparency. There was no reason why

[1:40:26] Voice 13: it turns from rainwater to fresh water and there was no reference to the groundwater study some

[1:40:33] Voice 13: people may have a problem with groundwater not everybody does this is not just a little tiny

[1:40:38] Voice 13: island 300 people we don't need a one-size-fits-all for everybody when it doesn't fit and i would say

[1:40:45] Voice 13: the same thing about house side and on the waterfront we put in a setback and i know at

[1:40:52] Voice 13: at least two people, about three people in the South,

[1:40:55] Voice 13: whose homes are well within that setback.

[1:40:59] Voice 13: I know people whose homes are about to fall into the ocean

[1:41:02] Voice 13: if they're not allowed to fix that.

[1:41:05] Voice 13: We need to, again, one size does not fit all.

[1:41:09] Voice 13: We need to review that.

[1:41:10] Voice 13: We need to think about access to the waterfront.

[1:41:16] Voice 13: How much damage do you do by building,

[1:41:19] Voice 13: there's places where nobody in their right mind

[1:41:21] Voice 13: would build a set of stairs.

[1:41:23] Voice 13: But there are places where you can do that.

[1:41:25] Voice 13: You should be allowed to do that, and you should have access to your computer.

[1:41:35] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:41:36] Voice 11: so you're, can you, would it be fair to summarize your comments with your thinking that resending the 122 should be a minor project?

[1:41:46] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:41:59] Voice 13: Okay, I'm Heather Hardy from Gallant Point Road, just down the road.

[1:42:03] Voice 13: um i think that because bylaw 123 which has just been off the table um was kind of tied to 122

[1:42:15] Voice 13: and that were um house sizes setbacks and all of those things um if somebody wanted to build

[1:42:24] Voice 13: outside of those um bylaw 123 would come into place with the building and design guidelines

[1:42:33] Voice 13: So I think that might be one reason to rescind by-law 1.2 just so that we can start fresh with better ideas on not just house size but footprint of a house, possibly even footprint of all the paving maybe should come into consideration.

[1:42:58] Voice 13: There are a lot of other things that could be done.

[1:43:00] Voice 13: I'm firmly in agreement with the fact that this was done at a time when people

[1:43:06] Voice 13: weren't gathering, many people wouldn't come to meetings, and a lot of people

[1:43:11] Voice 13: don't write and didn't put their ideas forward. Maybe it'll, there are, I'm sure, a

[1:43:20] Voice 13: number of much better ideas that could come forward with house size and the

[1:43:27] Voice 13: how the impact that uh outside of school is ever having

[1:43:31] Voice 4: on on you know thank

[1:43:40] Voice 3: you um

[1:43:45] Voice 13: okay i'll be right

[1:43:46] Voice 3: okay okay we'll come back in just a minute

[1:44:06] Voice 13: it's you know they have to have wi-fi yeah you know they should have a guest wi-fi yeah that's

[1:44:12] Voice 13: yeah there's

[1:44:14] Voice 13: something up there no is it working

[1:44:16] Voice 13: there you go

[1:44:29] Voice 13: on your phone yeah yeah

[1:44:44] Voice 13: to be able to get some of your comments

[1:44:45] Voice 13: out of the way if I can't answer them.

[1:44:49] Voice 13: There was a dynamic

[1:44:50] Voice 13: that I would be thinking of crossing

[1:44:53] Voice 13: for a community-wide group of colleagues

[1:44:57] Voice 13: as we're doing that.

[1:44:58] Voice 13: But that way,

[1:44:59] Voice 13: it's coming from the agency.

[1:45:03] Voice 13: There's

[1:45:04] Voice 3: a lot of people

[1:45:04] Voice 3: in my class that are English.

[1:45:06] Voice 3: You know what I'm saying?

[1:45:11] Voice 13: I think a lot of people

[1:45:13] Voice 13: have been searching out for you.

[1:45:14] Voice 13: I mean, I don't expect

[1:45:36] Voice 6: are we on a break right now because i can't hear anything clearly it's all garbled are we

[1:45:42] Voice 6: all speaking at once you're muted or i can't hear you christina

[1:45:48] Voice 13: are we on

[1:45:51] Voice 6: a break okay

[1:45:55] Voice 6: i did not get that i'm sorry

[1:45:58] Voice 13: i missed two

[1:46:04] Voice 6: seconds and then everything went garbled

[1:46:08] Voice 13: okay

[1:46:09] Voice 7: so the next speaker was

[1:46:10] Voice 13: julie hi uh julie rankin boundary pass roads tender and i just

[1:46:15] Voice 13: want to say i've occurred with uh all previous speakers and uh like to um see rescinding

[1:46:22] Voice 13: bylaw 122 um yes but dad was saying one of the reason why it comes down to number one it just

[1:46:30] Voice 13: irks me about legally non-conforming let's take it as a i know what everything took years previous

[1:46:38] Voice 13: We ask the family, whoever has a bill that they have within the rule, and we would definitely

[1:46:42] Voice 13: ask the student councilors to respond

[1:46:44] Voice 4: to this.

[1:46:46] Voice 4: That's

[1:46:46] Voice 13: one of the one things.

[1:46:52] Voice 13: Jen?

[1:46:52] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:46:53] Voice 13: Jen LaCour.

[1:46:54] Voice 13: I'm .

[1:46:56] Voice 13: I actually, I'm strongly believe it would be a waste of time, not bill, but bylaw in

[1:47:05] Voice 13: 2022.

[1:47:06] Voice 13: And I'm hearing a lot of people who feel the opposite way, and I know that there are quite

[1:47:12] Voice 13: a few people that feel, because they raise IDs, so they speak out.

[1:47:16] Voice 13: And I just think the community went

[1:47:19] Voice 13: through an awful lot last year to get to the point where we are.

[1:47:24] Voice 13: And I just don't hear anything people are saying, a reason why we should open it up again.

[1:47:31] Voice 13: It just, the nonconformance, it may be something we don't like that word, but legally, that doesn't affect our insurance.

[1:47:40] Voice 13: It doesn't. There seems to be, like, misunderstandings here.

[1:47:44] Voice 13: And I don't understand where that's coming from.

[1:47:47] Voice 13: um so i am a lawyer by the way so i didn't understand

[1:47:56] Voice 13: something thank you um so i i have

[1:48:00] Voice 13: i just think it's going to again is the community all words up and for what i mean there hasn't been

[1:48:09] Voice 13: as far as i know any issues with people trying to get variances having issues since it's been

[1:48:14] Voice 13: past, but I just believe it's a huge time waste, and we should focus on things that are, to my view,

[1:48:22] Voice 13: more important than forest management. The water, like, why have these bicep issues again?

[1:48:34] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you for bringing the comment. It's difficult to do when there's been so much

[1:48:39] Voice 11: expression of the opposite view or other views, so I appreciate that. I mean, to me, what's clear,

[1:48:45] Voice 11: And like, I don't think this is a case of we'll just decide and we'll be done with it, you know, yes or no, you know, even if we decide no, you know, just rescind that.

[1:48:59] Voice 11: It's not like all everything goes away and everything's good, right?

[1:49:04] Voice 11: All the issues are tied up in that project, in that bylaw.

[1:49:08] Voice 11: All of those issues need to be sorted and figured out in the future in some way or another, whether it's with that bylaw or with a different bylaw.

[1:49:14] Voice 11: We could rework the current bylaw, we could rescind it and start over again and build it with something addressing similar issues again.

[1:49:23] Voice 11: And I think that is going to be a pretty challenging project, considering the community's widespread of opinions on it and feelings about it.

[1:49:36] Voice 11: And I think that that's the process that's important here is that we do that process well.

[1:49:40] Voice 11: well and I don't think it's going to be easy and I think that we're on a good track here and I think

[1:49:47] Voice 11: we're going to get there you know I think we can do this but it's going to take a lot of maturity

[1:49:54] Voice 11: for all of us to listen to each other and listen beyond just a position I'm for I'm against

[1:50:02] Voice 11: what are the underlying issues and everything and I suspect I've done a lot of work with groups that

[1:50:08] Voice 11: have been in this situation and through an exercise of really communicating sometimes with guidance

[1:50:15] Voice 11: to to really get to the underlying issues that are behind those opinions that we have one way

[1:50:21] Voice 11: yes or no the problems kind of evaporate to some degree to where they're not such such a hang-up

[1:50:30] Voice 11: you know start holding up everybody because we can find we find out through communication

[1:50:35] Voice 11: communication we're closer on the issues than we think we are and i can't see how we can move

[1:50:43] Voice 11: like ignore that um that tack of having that deeper communication i don't see how we can

[1:50:50] Voice 11: just skip that and say let's not review it or let's just do away with it i don't think we're

[1:50:56] Voice 11: going to achieve where we want to go by doing that because we had so many letters from both sides

[1:51:03] Voice 11: that means it's a problem, it's a really deep problem to everybody, one way or the other,

[1:51:09] Voice 11: right? It's equally intense, or not, who knows if it's equal, but it's strong on both sides.

[1:51:16] Voice 11: And so we think we need to address it. And so that's just my perspective.

[1:51:25] Voice 11: And I think what you said about, you know, misunderstandings,

[1:51:29] Voice 11: that gets everybody worked up. I think that's a result of not having taken the time to communicate.

[1:51:34] Voice 11: bravely you know it's difficult like you showing up and speaking for it it's brave and it's needed

[1:51:40] Voice 11: and there are people i'm sure i've been told there are people who aren't showing up here

[1:51:45] Voice 11: because they don't really want to take that on take the heat so to speak but that we've got to

[1:51:51] Voice 11: address that's not really cool and i'll take time anyway that was mine and

[1:51:57] Voice 13: i'd like to also add to

[1:51:59] Voice 13: to what you said, this definitely seems to be the topic of conversation around whether

[1:52:07] Voice 13: it's affected people negatively or positively. It's affected everyone here and it's finding

[1:52:17] Voice 13: a place where we can settle that everyone can feel heard and everyone can feel recognized

[1:52:24] Voice 13: nice and that if the effect that it's having on the individual is as small as possible while still

[1:52:34] Voice 13: meeting the end goals that we're trying to achieve through the ocp and through the trust mandate um

[1:52:40] Voice 13: that that they all have to factor in here um but we also have to live and and have um you know

[1:52:49] Voice 13: good lifestyle here and the community

[1:52:52] Voice 4: so

[1:52:53] Voice 13: um we've got we still have speakers so i've got

[1:52:56] Voice 13: um alma and cameron bunman i'm so tall i can't wait to read you

[1:53:06] Voice 3: i see what you have um

[1:53:10] Voice 13: i also wrote a letter about extending love by law 122 and i

[1:53:14] Voice 13: it it just caused so much stress um with all of us and and it seemed like every time

[1:53:22] Voice 13: we turned around another set of rules were being thrown at us and it it wasn't a good

[1:53:29] Voice 13: communication it wasn't sorry cameron but it's it wasn't but and so it it it set up a bad um

[1:53:39] Voice 13: dealing with a lot of people and we all think legal non-conforming does have an effect on this

[1:53:47] Voice 13: and it does have an effect on resale and it does have an effect on some insurance companies maybe

[1:53:52] Voice 13: not all of them but you know it it just seemed like so many rules were being thrown at us

[1:53:58] Voice 13: right up till the very last minute and so um it's going to take a while to get that communication

[1:54:04] Voice 13: like dave says to get us all working together and um and talking of working together dennis was

[1:54:12] Voice 13: talking about um bylaw 123 it is about working with first nations but it's not just us it's the

[1:54:21] Voice 13: whole trust policy that needs to be looked at as a whole not just our island or us and saturn or us

[1:54:29] Voice 13: in Maine, like we all are part of the trust and so the trust policy should be promoting

[1:54:38] Voice 13: these things and working with us and getting it to work with people. It's

[1:54:43] Voice 13: not just us and so for us

[1:54:46] Voice 13: to go and put a little bit in our OCP doesn't affect everything so that's a bigger issue.

[1:54:54] Voice 13: thank you thank you

[1:54:57] Voice 13: i appreciate your comments and the other comments from everybody regarding

[1:55:02] Voice 13: reconciliations and uh and how how that can be perceived i really appreciate i just want to be

[1:55:08] Voice 13: able to move forward and create a good working relationship with first nations however that

[1:55:14] Voice 13: looks um i want to promote that and and i know that at the trust level the health policy statement

[1:55:22] Voice 13: is under review and so that those items will will come to light as they come to us.

[1:55:35] Voice 11: Thank you for your comments and regarding the trust policy I do believe you're right that it

[1:55:42] Voice 11: belongs there it needs to be driven from there and that means that it's still a local issue as well

[1:55:49] Voice 3: right

[1:55:50] Voice 11: they still affects us so we need to be we pay attention to what's

[1:55:53] Voice 11: happening with the policy revisions because to make sure that it gets right

[1:55:58] Voice 11: something that we can live with here so kind of asks more of us all of us

[1:56:04] Voice 11: residents there will

[1:56:07] Voice 13: be there will be sick there will be a six month period

[1:56:09] Voice 13: when the trust policy statement has gone through Trust Council where it will come

[1:56:13] Voice 13: to the communities so you will have an opportunity to review it and provide

[1:56:18] Voice 13: five comments um thank

[1:56:20] Voice 4: you

[1:56:27] Voice 13: and and thank you both for uh for for your comments on on this topic

[1:56:32] Voice 13: clearly it's a it's a it's a probably the elephant in the room and and deg i appreciate your you're

[1:56:38] Voice 13: acknowledging the the factors you know a lot of uh people on both i hate to even say sides but

[1:56:45] Voice 13: it is somewhat that way there's people on both both that view this quite differently and and

[1:56:50] Voice 13: And, you know, I mean, I think the room, for whatever reason, seems to be tilted fairly heavily in favor of people that feel like File 0122.

[1:56:59] Voice 13: I do know there's a lot of people out there that do feel differently.

[1:57:02] Voice 13: And I do acknowledge the challenge that all three of you have in trying to find common ground.

[1:57:08] Voice 13: And, in fact, that was one of the things that you spoke to during the campaign, and I wish you well on that.

[1:57:15] Voice 13: I'm Cameron Thorne, for those that don't know me.

[1:57:17] Voice 13: I live on Castle Road, and I was a trustee.

[1:57:20] Voice 13: uh the last term um you know i don't think that any bylaw is immutable like i don't think that

[1:57:27] Voice 13: bylaw 122 is somehow absolutely sacred and shouldn't be looked at i think we tried to do

[1:57:33] Voice 13: the best that we could at the time um i would like to speak a little bit uh initially about

[1:57:39] Voice 13: what i perceive as facts versus fiction and i know a lot of people have said including this

[1:57:44] Voice 13: room today that that you know that uh existing houses that are larger than the maximum house

[1:57:49] Voice 13: sizes are going to be legally non-conforming and and you know not now but later you can perhaps get

[1:57:54] Voice 13: a get your planner to give you some clarification on that because i do know that we took explicit

[1:57:58] Voice 13: steps to legally recognize uh houses that were larger than whatever the new maximum houses sizes

[1:58:05] Voice 13: were so they were actually provided for so they're not legally non-conforming i did also at that time

[1:58:11] Voice 13: send the wording of the bylaw to bfl which is one of the biggest insurance brokers in canada

[1:58:17] Voice 13: up and they reviewed it with their lawyers and they said we would have no issues providing

[1:58:20] Voice 13: insurance because you're not actually well they provide insurance for a lot of places

[1:58:24] Voice 13: legal non-conforming but in this place in this case it wasn't an issue of legal non-conforming

[1:58:29] Voice 13: so i just i would ask people one thing that we did do um and i think it's helpful as we go into

[1:58:35] Voice 13: this conversation is we did a red line with the bylaw and i believe it's still posted on the

[1:58:40] Voice 13: website it would be helpful for people in you know over a glass of wine or or a coffee or whatever

[1:58:45] Voice 13: your choice is to read through and see those explicit areas where bylaw 122 changed the land

[1:58:51] Voice 13: use bylaw to really understand whether or not the things that you believe are detrimental to

[1:58:56] Voice 13: your well-being or in fact that case it would just be something i would suggest because there

[1:59:00] Voice 13: is a lot of things that i've listened to people say that with respect or not are not actually

[1:59:06] Voice 13: aligned with what the bylaw is um i also would like to talk a little bit about just some other

[1:59:11] Voice 13: jurisdictions in our consultation process and it was tough during during covet i mean it was a

[1:59:16] Voice 13: unique period um we also had low interest rates and we had a a population surge we've had a new

[1:59:24] Voice 13: development new growth uh relative to the other islands we had a bigger net i mean we started with

[1:59:29] Voice 13: a small population to begin with but relative to the other islands we had a a bigger uh growth in

[1:59:34] Voice 13: population and so there were some efforts to try and safeguard what we what we did have and i know

[1:59:39] Voice 13: there were some people that said cameron i don't like bylaw 122 but you got to do something about

[1:59:43] Voice 13: that house and put down cell plants and it's it's tough because you're you're trying to you

[1:59:48] Voice 13: can't selectively choose where you're going to apply things that people do or do not like um

[1:59:53] Voice 13: i would also like to say that um in terms of you know one of the speakers talking about

[2:00:00] Voice 13: people's private property and their liberty and their peace and quiet.

[2:00:03] Voice 13: I respect all those things.

[2:00:05] Voice 13: And that was one of the underpinnings for why we brought about what we did

[2:00:08] Voice 13: because we felt like larger homes separated by 10 feet from your property

[2:00:13] Voice 13: line would be an infringement on your peace and quiet and would probably

[2:00:19] Voice 13: have a devaluation of your property.

[2:00:21] Voice 13: So I'm not saying that it is perfect.

[2:00:24] Voice 13: I would just ask people to look at things very carefully.

[2:00:28] Voice 13: I know the other thing about the idea that we should rescind By-law 122, we're in a housing crisis.

[2:00:36] Voice 13: We are in a housing crisis, but I don't, if you look at the homes that are on, the existing homes on this island that are quite large, they're occupied not by families, they're occupied generally by older couples.

[2:00:51] Voice 13: examples if somebody wants to look at this kind of comes back to the idea about secondary suites or

[2:00:57] Voice 13: or additional ways of providing housing perhaps there's a mechanism where we look at house size

[2:01:03] Voice 13: where it is correlated or tied to options for providing other other housing units within you

[2:01:12] Voice 13: know whether it's a secondary suite or whatever so it's not just an open-ended okay well we should

[2:01:17] Voice 13: go back to the house sizes that they were before without any criteria to help to understand how

[2:01:21] Voice 13: those larger house sizes um align with other targets that we might have in terms of again

[2:01:27] Voice 13: with the whole issue with with other forms of housing as you know the province brought in

[2:01:32] Voice 13: the housing supply act here recently and are starting to to who knows what where it's going

[2:01:37] Voice 13: to wind itself up but i do i know i wrote you on this i do believe that we do need to look at

[2:01:42] Voice 13: like i think we should find things we can come together on maybe we need to revisit aspects of

[2:01:46] Voice 13: the 122, but I think we should try and focus in on how we find ways, creative ways of finding

[2:01:52] Voice 13: ways of accommodating additional forms of housing, whether it's above an accessory building,

[2:01:57] Voice 13: above a garage, or maybe it's in a basement, you know, in a portion of the house. I think

[2:02:03] Voice 13: what I would really encourage you to do as trustees is to try and build consensus. I think

[2:02:08] Voice 13: that's your objective and your mandate. I certainly support that. But I would just suggest that just

[2:02:13] Voice 13: a wholesale tossing something out because there's there's a lot of misperceptions but i think it is

[2:02:18] Voice 13: the wrong way to go and i do hope if we find ways to again to like building a secondary suite about

[2:02:26] Voice 13: the garage has actually got nothing to do with bylaw 122. you could do that without changing

[2:02:30] Voice 13: bylaw 122 just like the comment about stdrs that has nothing to do with bylaw 1.2 that was

[2:02:36] Voice 13: bylaw 118 or 117 so those are my comments looking forward to working with you and uh and wish you

[2:02:42] Voice 13: following your endeavors thank you um yeah i think and again i i can't speak for a dag on this but

[2:02:51] Voice 13: should bylaw 122 be revisited um and it be decided that it should be taken back to 114 it's not

[2:03:03] Voice 13: going to it would i i wouldn't feel comfortable just taking it back to 114 if we went back to

[2:03:08] Voice 13: before I would like to then take a look at the issues that have caused contention within the

[2:03:14] Voice 13: community to find perhaps a different solution that meets the objective but again it could it

[2:03:22] Voice 13: could be that we just make some amendments or we don't deal with it if like like I I I don't know

[2:03:30] Voice 13: what to say here I know what I'm thinking the words aren't happening this person is

[2:03:39] Voice 13: Okay, um, so if you can all just pop your hands back up again.

[2:03:50] Voice 13: I know everybody. Thank you, Gordie.

[2:04:02] Voice 13: Yeah, like everybody's sort

[2:04:04] Voice 13: of sitting outside of their partners and it's quite clear.

[2:04:10] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:04:12] Voice 11: She's doing a wonderful job. I'm terrible. So it wouldn't be a mess.

[2:04:15] Voice 11: no but

[2:04:16] Voice 13: i mean that's this these are options should this be and it feels to me that this

[2:04:22] Voice 13: is the area that the community is most wound up about so um again this right now this meeting

[2:04:31] Voice 13: is just to try to figure out what it is that we should be focusing on and in my mind this seems

[2:04:37] Voice 13: to be this is this is the topic how we deal with it will be a complete other discussion

[2:04:43] Voice 13: um so that's sort of where i'm sitting i mean uh right now with this the communication that

[2:04:53] Voice 13: we received and maybe 50 letters in the past week and a bit and the conversation that's happening

[2:04:59] Voice 13: in this room or again like maybe 40 people is wrapped around this one topic so i think it's

[2:05:07] Voice 13: fairly clear this is the topic that needs a good look at how we deal with it we haven't talked

[2:05:14] Voice 13: about it yet we don't know how we're going to deal with it we don't know what we're sitting

[2:05:17] Voice 13: we don't know but again this will still involve with you as a community should go forward with

[2:05:23] Voice 13: this this is going to still be a heavy community discussion to figure out you know if this really

[2:05:30] Voice 13: isn't working for people and it does get rolled back there's still an issue there right so if it

[2:05:36] Voice 13: doesn't get rolled back we will have a discussion and find a solution right so if it does roll back

[2:05:41] Voice 13: don't want people to feel afraid that it's not going to move forward. We will move it forward.

[2:05:45] Voice 13: The community isn't together on this. We need to find something that will make the community

[2:05:52] Voice 13: be together. That's why we're here. This is why I agreed to be nominated.

[2:06:01] Voice 13: it's um i want i want the community to feel strong and heard and represented as a whole

[2:06:12] Voice 13: and that was my speech and i'm sorry for yammering on do you have anything well

[2:06:17] Voice 11: you said it all

[2:06:19] Voice 11: all

[2:06:20] Voice 13: right uh next person on my list is mike

[2:06:29] Voice 13: i've lived coast to coast uh in this country and so a number of different communities

[2:06:40] Voice 13: and i have never seen uh an issue that is so contentious in such a small community

[2:06:49] Voice 13: part of i think what failed in the 122 and 123 discussions is the communication plan

[2:07:00] Voice 13: clearly was broken when you have a community like this that is separated uh people are

[2:07:07] Voice 13: are cottage owners or they're they you know their owners here but they live elsewhere

[2:07:11] Voice 13: um any note there's a number of different factors that contributed to it and then

[2:07:17] Voice 11: how things are

[2:07:19] Voice 11: communicating into the community community either by media social media word of mouth that sort of

[2:07:26] Voice 11: thing if you want to get people involved it has to be better it has to be much better so that's

[2:07:33] Voice 11: one

[2:07:34] Voice 13: of my observations because of the controversy and it is controversy even amongst this group in

[2:07:44] Voice 11: this room clearly i think it demonstrates that 122 needs to be rescinded and needs to be discussed

[2:07:54] Voice 11: at length whether it's going back to the original bylaw and developing it into something different

[2:08:05] Voice 11: or completely different proposal this is so controversial to people and the emotions are

[2:08:13] Voice 11: high for many people who believe this could affect their family's inheritance it could affect

[2:08:21] Voice 11: redevelopment it could affect loss in a case of a fire i mean hey look around you what's happening

[2:08:29] Voice 11: happening right now across this country, large-scale fires that are impacting and destroying

[2:08:36] Voice 11: communities. Those communities have to be rebuilt. I know I was helping fight fires like that.

[2:08:43] Voice 11: I've seen how destructive it is. We don't want to go there, but if we already have our hands tied

[2:08:50] Voice 11: because of a bylaw

[2:08:53] Voice 13: that's in place that affects people's ability to rebuild their homes to what

[2:08:58] Voice 13: perhaps what they had I don't know it's clearly there are questions that have to be answered

[2:09:06] Voice 13: part of I all what I I'm noticing is about the emotion is people's freedom of choice

[2:09:12] Voice 13: is affected correct him to me if I'm wrong there the lawyer in the room section seven of the

[2:09:20] Voice 13: charter freedom of choice correct okay

[2:09:25] Voice 3: there's a number of

[2:09:30] Voice 13: different things right that are clearly

[2:09:33] Voice 13: controversial and how

[2:09:37] Voice 11: can we move forward and continue down a path with something

[2:09:41] Voice 11: that is so divisive yeah i think you really need to take a long hard

[2:09:48] Voice 13: look at no sorry

[2:09:55] Voice 11: it's to me it's and it's we're only here for we've been here for a short time but my god

[2:10:02] Voice 11: the observations we've had about what's taking place here is it's significant i would strongly

[2:10:09] Voice 11: recommend if you unless you really want to keep going down this path that's separating

[2:10:14] Voice 11: the community you've got to stop you've

[2:10:19] Voice 13: got to stop and and start to examine what are the

[2:10:23] Voice 13: priorities um what's the

[2:10:27] Voice 3: what's

[2:10:29] Voice 13: in place across the country we're not living in a bubble here

[2:10:33] Voice 13: there are other places that are being affected by these type

[2:10:37] Voice 11: of issues waterfront house sizes

[2:10:40] Voice 11: all these different things we can look elsewhere

[2:10:42] Voice 13: to communities that have already had these

[2:10:45] Voice 13: experiences that's my two cents okay thank you um a couple of comments um whereas people are

[2:10:56] Voice 13: standing up if um i think we've got it we've got a fairly good flow in here um but just to not put

[2:11:05] Voice 13: people on the spot and um like keep it keep it safe because okay um the other thing i was going

[2:11:13] Voice 13: to say that you've raised a lot of points in there um i i feel you're very emotional and

[2:11:19] Voice 13: honest and um that's what i'm passionate on this topic um but this this this is this is

[2:11:27] Voice 13: the reason for that for this meeting is to express what the minor project should be and

[2:11:36] Voice 13: how you are being affected by it and to do it in a manner that is um like safe for everyone

[2:11:44] Voice 13: So we're trying to bring people back together

[2:11:47] Voice 13: Like you said this this this topic has wound up causing a division in our community. I'm not saying it's just you, but everybody

[2:11:55] Voice 13: And we're trying to bring people back. We're trying to have conversations that are inclusive

[2:12:00] Voice 13: So we I think I think a lot of us have agreed there is an issue

[2:12:05] Voice 13: with

[2:12:07] Voice 13: how people feel on this particular topic

[2:12:11] Voice 4: And I've lost my train of thought

[2:12:15] Voice 13: Well said.

[2:12:23] Voice 11: Well I think this is good. I think where we are right now is good. We're moving in the

[2:12:29] Voice 11: right direction and part of what we are talking about wanting to achieve, we are already starting

[2:12:33] Voice 11: to achieve. And we are in the unfortunate position, or fortunate I suppose, of having to

[2:12:42] Voice 11: call some shots at some point right and we're not going to be able to call perfect decision make

[2:12:47] Voice 11: perfect decisions on this we're going to please some and we're going to not please others and we

[2:12:53] Voice 11: don't have a choice but at some point we're going to have to do that and so how we do that i just

[2:12:58] Voice 11: want to assure you that this process that we're having right now is having a great influence on

[2:13:02] Voice 11: my thinking and i'm taking all of it into account and i'm changing from my thoughts on this to that

[2:13:08] Voice 11: and I'm, you know, I'm flowing with it here, I'm flowing with you and the input that we're getting.

[2:13:14] Voice 11: So this is part of that healing in the community, I think, that we're doing right now.

[2:13:21] Voice 13: I almost got my throat back which fell out again.

[2:13:26] Voice 13: We're back here, you're next.

[2:13:28] Voice 13: Rebecca Hansen on Boundary Path.

[2:13:33] Voice 13: It's hard to know where to jump in in a conversation like this, but two things that

[2:13:39] Voice 13: strike me one is that the way forward has to get over this division of for or against in a blanket

[2:13:48] Voice 13: and the other thing that i come back to is well why would we be making a particular

[2:13:58] Voice 13: decision and so i'd really like for there to be and whatever you're looking at going forward

[2:14:06] Voice 13: a very strong objective scientific reason for certain things for example related to shoreline

[2:14:15] Voice 13: setback water capacity those kinds of things because it's so easy for people to get emotional

[2:14:23] Voice 13: and say this is my land and this is what I want to do for me or for my family but we do live in

[2:14:31] Voice 13: community and sometimes we all have to accept things that we might not like in the greater

[2:14:38] Voice 13: common good and so I would ask when you are looking at things for going forward

[2:14:45] Voice 13: based on science and maybe you're never going to be able to say a setback of x number of feet

[2:14:53] Voice 13: because it is going to be different yes it's a small island but the shoreline is different

[2:14:59] Voice 13: in different places some places have a steep thing and some don't same thing with water

[2:15:07] Voice 13: on some roads boundary paths water is really really an issue on other places maybe you have

[2:15:16] Voice 13: access to a good well so going forward instead of just saying yes we will stick to these numbers

[2:15:27] Voice 13: from 114, or we'll stick to these numbers from 122, can we maybe get away from the blanket

[2:15:36] Voice 13: numbers and have it be more a case of what does science say is appropriate for that particular

[2:15:46] Voice 13: lot? I don't think we should just check everything out. I don't know if the word

[2:15:51] Voice 13: the sins is necessarily the right word or it's simply to say we need to re-look at it because

[2:15:58] Voice 13: I do know that moving forward nothing stays the same and as you yourselves have said you're going

[2:16:05] Voice 13: to have to be looking at things and the provincial government will come up with things that will

[2:16:09] Voice 13: require us to be making changes again and I think that that's what we've said that we like

[2:16:23] Voice 13: we could do is we're not going to chuck everything out and walk away. Again, we have to figure

[2:16:31] Voice 13: out how to handle this. And there's been a number of comments throughout here that, you

[2:16:37] Voice 13: know, one says doesn't fit all. And, you know, what may seem reasonable in one area and to

[2:16:45] Voice 13: some people may be extreme and very uncomfortable to others. So, again, it's all conversation.

[2:16:54] Voice 13: at this point it's all ideas all points of view and we need to hear them all like we do in order

[2:17:02] Voice 13: for us to really understand what's going on in the community we've got to hear we've got to hear from

[2:17:08] Voice 13: you how is this affecting you how is this supporting you how is this detrimental to you how is this

[2:17:14] Voice 13: benefiting you and it's not like i said it's not just for you but your community and the environment

[2:17:19] Voice 13: I think we are in a unique little spot when it comes to the Adams Trust we're anyway everyone

[2:17:29] Voice 13: knows this I don't have to say anymore um Shani you have your I think you've had your hand up

[2:17:34] Voice 13: or were you just scratching I think I didn't I know sorry um okay never mind the next person

[2:17:43] Voice 13: I'm like this is actually Audrey oh

[2:17:45] Voice 10: my god I'm very good at this but I've been here 47 years

[2:17:48] Voice 10: attended lots of meetings over the past little while with regarding 122 it was done during

[2:17:56] Voice 10: COVID and I brought it to the attention of the trustees at that time other levels of government

[2:18:02] Voice 10: and and and corporations they didn't move forward they they slowed down our trustees according to me

[2:18:10] Voice 10: and they we just went ahead I couldn't come to the meeting I was doing radiation chemotherapy

[2:18:16] Voice 10: chemotherapy whatever a lot of people could not come in this room but i think in the end

[2:18:24] Voice 7: i've

[2:18:25] Voice 10: got two things it wasn't finished the the dialogue within the community did not get finished

[2:18:35] Voice 10: we we had nobody wants to go to meetings oh jesus like today who wants to be here but we needed more

[2:18:43] Voice 5: more dialogue.

[2:18:44] Voice 10: We needed more dialogue. We needed to finish. The process, according to me and to

[2:18:51] Voice 10: Mr. Luckham, it was, the process was flawed. We weren't finished. It was rushed. So I'm,

[2:19:02] Voice 10: so I would like, I'm going to go out on a limb here, I would like it rescinded.

[2:19:07] Voice 10: i'd like to go back to 114 look at 114 and if there's things that we want to bring back into

[2:19:17] Voice 10: 114 regarding cisterns or whatever it is i i think i don't know wait maybe you can play around

[2:19:23] Voice 10: with 114 and i don't know but i built my house 22 years ago cameron said there's no such thing

[2:19:33] Voice 10: is legal non-conforming but it says in the bylaw i'm too big so i'm not conforming is that right

[2:19:40] Voice 10: is that the terminology i'm no longer conforming and i'm too close to the property line so

[2:19:48] Voice 10: therefore i'm not conforming and every i check with my insurance company you have to check with

[2:19:55] Voice 10: your underwriter not your insurance company that tells you how much you have to pay a year

[2:20:00] Voice 10: you have to check with your underwriter so it isn't it isn't I know what you said or somebody

[2:20:08] Voice 10: said something every underwriter is different I just had a guy spend two hours at my house going

[2:20:14] Voice 10: through my house my insurance whatever came and did it it's your underwriter so what I'm saying

[2:20:20] Voice 10: 22 years ago it was good enough I didn't do anything I didn't I didn't do anything I don't

[2:20:29] Voice 10: want to be sorry cameron legal non-conforming you're not but i'm not conforming yes you are

[2:20:36] Voice 10: how am i

[2:20:41] Voice 10: i'm closer than 10 feet i'm 10 feet from the property line i'm too big so if i'm not

[2:20:51] Voice 10: if i'm not if i'm too big and i'm too close to the property line i don't know what i am but i

[2:20:57] Voice 10: I don't want any designation attached to my house.

[2:21:00] Voice 10: Sorry for getting argumentative, but I'm getting passionate.

[2:21:03] Voice 10: But anyways, I just want, I would like it to be rescinded,

[2:21:07] Voice 10: go back to 114, community was happy in the end with 114.

[2:21:11] Voice 10: I think if we went back to 114,

[2:21:13] Voice 10: we'd be a good community again.

[2:21:17] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:21:19] Voice 13: So again, I'd like to-

[2:21:21] Voice 3: Not just

[2:21:21] Voice 13: two of us.

[2:21:23] Voice 3: I'm performing too.

[2:21:24] Voice 13: i would just like to restate again i'm sorry sorry let's remember this is a safe place

[2:21:31] Voice 13: wherever all those you've got passionate feelings here let's let's keep it very nice

[2:21:37] Voice 13: that's part of you that awful

[2:21:39] Voice 13: you won't know

[2:21:41] Voice 13: no it's all good okay 40

[2:21:46] Voice 6: um sorry before we move on from this point just because i'm aware that

[2:21:51] Voice 6: planner Stockdale has to leave the meeting at 3 30 and I just wondered if we could get some clarity

[2:21:58] Voice 6: before she goes about the legality of houses that were built conforming to the bylaws of the time

[2:22:08] Voice 6: are they actually non-conforming if a new bylaw is brought in just to get clarity on that because

[2:22:17] Voice 6: Because my understanding is that the legality of your house structure has to conform to the bylaw of the time that it is built.

[2:22:25] Voice 6: I could be wrong.

[2:22:28] Planner Stockdill (probable): Yeah, if you conform to a bylaw and it's amended where there's further restrictions, you are protected under the Local Government Act in terms of siting and use.

[2:22:38] Planner Stockdill (probable): But the trustees or LTC, the previous LTC went a step further and actually added clauses into bylaw 122.

[2:22:48] Planner Stockdill (probable): um that state that uh you could rebuild your house in the exact location and in the exact

[2:22:57] Planner Stockdill (probable): same size even though it may not conform to the new more restrictive regulations in bylaw

[2:23:03] Planner Stockdill (probable): um in the land use bylaw does that add clarity chair elliot yes

[2:23:12] Voice 6: it does thank you so much uh

[2:23:13] Voice 6: planner Stockdale I

[2:23:15] Planner Stockdill (probable): hope

[2:23:18] Voice 6: that I hope that alleviates some of the stress around this

[2:23:22] Voice 6: discussion I just wanted to get clarity before so we don't keep um worrying about whose house

[2:23:28] Voice 6: is non-conforming thank you okay

[2:23:32] Voice 13: so we'll move on with the speaker's list okay Gordie

[2:23:38] Voice 11: Gordie Duncan Canal Road um I'm actually going to speak to 114 in the Canfield what the lady said

[2:23:46] Voice 11: this community went through before 122 this community went through this process

[2:23:53] Voice 11: for four to six years prior to that and the same co-set and our last trustees came in and decided

[2:24:04] Voice 11: what that process was not good enough that we need to do it again so say to us today

[2:24:12] Voice 11: day why should we open 122 again uh it's not going to accomplish anything the question is

[2:24:19] Voice 11: why did we open 114 when we had already gone through a very thorough process of focus

[2:24:27] Voice 11: with focus groups it was a six-year program and our current or not a current but our former

[2:24:35] Voice 11: trustees decided that that wasn't good enough that we were going to implement even more stringent

[2:24:41] Voice 11: uh portions of the bylaws so um in my view there is absolutely we do have to relook at 122 there

[2:24:52] Voice 11: are many issues there including non-conforming and if uh for one trustee to say we're not

[2:25:00] Voice 11: non-conforming i'm sorry i don't subscribe to that but that's one only one issue there's many

[2:25:08] Voice 11: issues that we need to deal with but we have even with 114 the most stringent

[2:25:16] Voice 11: building restrictions of any island in the trust area you know lot coverage

[2:25:25] Voice 11: this is not satisfactory to shake the head that doesn't work you know because

[2:25:31] Voice 11: because that's not the case.

[2:25:33] Voice 11: We have the most, well, I won't get into,

[2:25:39] Voice 13: excuse me, I won't get into specifics,

[2:25:41] Voice 13: but we do need to revisit 1.22.

[2:25:44] Voice 13: Thank you, Gordon.

[2:25:46] Voice 13: Any comments, Frank?

[2:25:48] Voice 11: No, thank you.

[2:25:50] Voice 13: The next question I have on the speaker's list is Matt.

[2:25:53] Voice 13: Oh, yeah, I just, I wanted to bring up the case.

[2:25:57] Voice 13: I think you have to revisit that.

[2:26:00] Voice 13: and um i think we've got to think about people that have bought property

[2:26:05] Voice 13: under the old bylaw and haven't built yet and we've now changed the rules for them so that

[2:26:13] Voice 13: like that's

[2:26:13] Voice 11: really important um that you've changed the rules in the middle of the game

[2:26:21] Voice 11: it's well known and our provincial government are telling us uh guys there is no room for you to

[2:26:28] Voice 11: have more folks for your generation

[2:26:31] Voice 3: you've

[2:26:33] Voice 11: got to make a plan to age in place and whatever we

[2:26:37] Voice 11: come up with has to allow

[2:26:39] Voice 13: people that flexibility and if we're taught there is division about this

[2:26:48] Voice 13: subject but since i've been here many of the elections

[2:26:54] Voice 11: if there was anything interesting

[2:26:56] Voice 11: going on. They were decided by one or two votes who got in and who didn't. Well you

[2:27:03] Voice 11: guys

[2:27:04] Voice 13: are in with a resounding majority

[2:27:06] Voice 3: and

[2:27:07] Voice 13: the election issue and your

[2:27:10] Voice 13: commitment was that you would deal with this problem and the majority have

[2:27:15] Voice 13: spoken. Democracy works. That's it.

[2:27:21] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:27:23] Voice 13: No, that's good.

[2:27:24] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:27:27] Voice 13: So, John Kaherchuk, Sutherland's Drive.

[2:27:32] Voice 13: So, I've been here since 2020 and participated in many of the discussions, meetings that underpinned one point or two.

[2:27:43] Voice 13: I can say that there are a number of people that don't think, and that there were a lot of concerns that were raised during the process.

[2:27:57] Voice 13: I think that the time hurried and took under consideration those, and they worked to try

[2:28:06] Voice 13: and accommodate things that were most contentious.

[2:28:12] Voice 13: And we ended up with something that was perfect, and because of the term duration, ultimately

[2:28:20] Voice 13: they needed to move it ahead.

[2:28:23] Voice 13: I think that there are many people that are disengaged from this process, that don't come

[2:28:34] Voice 13: They don't

[2:28:35] Voice 13: believe that their voice is going to be heard, and they believe that the loudest voices are the ones that are determined to help.

[2:28:43] Voice 13: So, you know, we keep hearing the same issues over and over, and all due respect, some of those have been dealt with, and they're no longer.

[2:28:55] Voice 13: And I had said this to the prior conference, and I still believe this.

[2:29:02] Voice 13: There is merit in one's voice.

[2:29:07] Voice 13: Everybody might not agree with it.

[2:29:08] Voice 13: part of the thing that's missing is that there wasn't the full-setting engagement process that

[2:29:14] Voice 13: enabled people that that are completely dead set there will always be people that are dead set

[2:29:20] Voice 13: against change or there are people that are poor but that's that's the reality in the nature the

[2:29:30] Voice 13: part that was missing was the ability for both sides to hear each other in a meaningful way

[2:29:38] Voice 13: because, for example, the issue of the setback, setbacks are important because of the shape

[2:29:46] Voice 13: of the building, the logical benefits, all those sorts of things, but there wasn't the

[2:29:51] Voice 13: opportunity for the community, perhaps, to get engaged through workshops and so forth

[2:29:55] Voice 13: to understand what the benefits are.

[2:29:58] Voice 13: So I would say to you that...

[2:30:00] Voice 13: rather than a wholesaler simply rejecting what's there.

[2:30:03] Voice 13: I mean, we've already had two applications come forward

[2:30:06] Voice 13: that were non-compliant with the bylaw,

[2:30:09] Voice 13: but they both got approved on their merits.

[2:30:11] Voice 13: And so there's a mechanism there to make something work.

[2:30:15] Voice 13: And so rather than just throw the hay in the bathwater,

[2:30:19] Voice 13: part of what I fear the both of you say,

[2:30:25] Voice 13: both prior to and since you were elected,

[2:30:28] Voice 13: was to improve engagement and that's like you can't get a hundred percent of

[2:30:37] Voice 13: the people that you bring it's just a fantasy but you can build towards that

[2:30:43] Voice 13: and so I would say to you that

[2:30:45] Voice 11: yes it's very contentious we have people that are

[2:30:48] Voice 11: still saying

[2:30:49] Voice 13: the same things that have been proven not to be actually valid

[2:30:53] Voice 13: anymore they're stressed but they still not because people still understand it

[2:30:57] Voice 13: as something else and so take the opportunity if that's a that's a work

[2:31:02] Voice 13: project scope put in place some mechanism some workshops whatever to try

[2:31:12] Voice 13: to understand what the issues are and how we've dealt with the community.

[2:31:15] Voice 13: Thank

[2:31:18] Voice 4: you very much, that's some really good points in there.

[2:31:20] Voice 4: Do you

[2:31:22] Voice 13: have anything else?

[2:31:24] Voice 11: Oh, thank you for your comments.

[2:31:25] Voice 3: You

[2:31:26] Voice 13: pretty much summed up what we would like to do is bring the community together,

[2:31:30] Voice 13: have those workshops, whatever it looks like. However, we can get people to get back together

[2:31:37] Voice 13: again, understand the issue and come up with a solution that is going to work.

[2:31:45] Voice 11: Just in terms of the loudest voices, you know, people are showing up and making comments

[2:31:51] Voice 11: are heard and I'm assuming that you're meaning also that those who don't have as loud voices

[2:31:57] Voice 11: or aren't showing up to meetings don't get heard and i i believe in democracy or to some degree in

[2:32:07] Voice 11: this context is that if you don't show up if you don't vote for instance if you don't go to the

[2:32:12] Voice 11: polls and vote you lost your opportunity to participate in democracy and if the reason

[2:32:18] Voice 11: and i've heard this that you know these meetings aren't safe i hope this meeting is safe and i hope

[2:32:23] Voice 11: every meeting that I'm in is safe and if it isn't I will do my darndest to address that

[2:32:29] Voice 11: because everybody has a right to participate and you can't participate in a democracy without

[2:32:35] Voice 11: showing up and so I plead for you to message to those people who you're representing perhaps or

[2:32:43] Voice 11: know that aren't here but have strong opinions opposing what many people are saying we need them

[2:32:50] Voice 11: to show up one way or another i think it can be through emails but that's not as perfect of course

[2:32:56] Voice 11: because it's more powerful to speak to something i think and if those who can show up please have

[2:33:02] Voice 11: them show up and please be we're going to continue to be nice and civil to each other we're hard on

[2:33:10] Voice 11: issues but we've got to be soft on people because that's what community is about and that's who was

[2:33:17] Voice 11: that I said that's the most important thing, like that getting through communication in a peaceful,

[2:33:23] Voice 11: harmonious way, even though we might strongly disagree on the topics, that

[2:33:28] Voice 11: is more important

[2:33:29] Voice 11: than anything else.

[2:33:31] Voice 13: Just an illustrious point though, so this wasn't a meeting to talk about

[2:33:36] Voice 13: rescinding bylaws 1222 and 123, this is a meeting to talk about the works projects and what capacity

[2:33:42] Voice 13: capacity there were a number of comments made about rescinding 122 and the letters that

[2:33:49] Voice 13: signed and sent in are about

[2:33:50] Voice 11: rescinding 122 and now this has become the meeting about rescinding

[2:33:54] Voice 13: 122 and so that's we just talked about this for the last hour and a

[2:33:59] Voice 11: half for

[2:34:00] Voice 13: the last hour and so

[2:34:01] Voice 13: uh we're determining the process based on so the people that are passionately speaking for me is

[2:34:11] Voice 13: this isn't a representation of everybody that is concerned about 1.23. This was a

[2:34:18] Voice 13: meeting to talk about a project, a work project, so we can't, like, to have a wholesome

[2:34:23] Voice 13: discussion around this, you need to create a different project. It needs to be, it needs to be, if people knew

[2:34:31] Voice 13: that that's what you were coming to do, those people that were in support of 1.23 would also

[2:34:36] Voice 13: come, because if this was a meeting specifically to talk about that, that's where they would come.

[2:34:42] Voice 11: Well, excuse me, I'm not quite following. So we are determining the priorities for us to work on,

[2:34:48] Voice 11: and people that are coming here to say that they want us to work on rescinding a bylaw,

[2:34:53] Voice 11: then that's their input. But somebody could have come here and said, we want you to work on First

[2:34:59] Voice 11: Nations reconciliation, or we want you to work on keeping one. So this meeting is not about

[2:35:10] Voice 11: rescinding a bylaw. It's needing to inform us so that we can make a decision on how best to move

[2:35:17] Voice 11: forward about what people care about the most, right? So yeah, I think everyone was welcome.

[2:35:26] Voice 11: I think the agenda was clear. I don't think anybody thought the agenda said we're coming

[2:35:32] Voice 11: here to discuss whether we're going to rescind a bylaw or not. Are

[2:35:36] Voice 4: we going to put that on the

[2:35:37] Voice 11: agenda or not? That's what's on the agenda. Are we going to put it on the priority of the

[2:35:41] Voice 11: it's worthless so everybody had the opportunity there might have been misunderstandings around

[2:35:46] Voice 11: that and we need to try to clear that up the misunderstanding engage if you're going to be

[2:35:51] Voice 11: part of a democracy you have to engage voice has to be put forward and if it isn't it's a really

[2:35:57] Voice 11: is a legitimate reason why somebody feels bullied or ill-treated i want to hear about it because

[2:36:03] Voice 11: that doesn't go in my book that's not allowed and

[2:36:07] Voice 6: as the chair if i may speak up if there is another

[2:36:10] Voice 6: If there's another way that we could come together to set priorities and you've got a better idea, please let me know. This is the most democratically convened meeting that the Islands Trust can provide. It's a public forum that is both electronic and in person. You've got your local trustees there.

[2:36:31] Voice 6: This is the second time that we are convening to discuss the work plan and to set priorities.

[2:36:39] Voice 6: So there has been ample time. This is not a meeting to discuss Bylaw 122, but those that show up do have the opportunity to speak to what they think the priorities should be.

[2:36:51] Voice 6: So I do agree with Deg. This is the best that we can do. And if there's a better way, then please let me know.

[2:36:59] Voice 6: just

[2:37:01] Voice 13: a further on that as well when we do come into these meetings i would like to strongly

[2:37:08] Voice 13: encourage people to really hear what everyone is saying like really try to understand where

[2:37:14] Voice 13: they're coming from and why these topics are important to them because we're not going to

[2:37:19] Voice 13: get any closer together we're like i don't want to do it you know and i'm going to stand up now

[2:37:23] Voice 13: and say why are you going to hear it like let's let's try and and really understand where we're

[2:37:29] Voice 13: from. And like I said, this

[2:37:32] Voice 13: is really to figure out what we're working on. And really, I think

[2:37:36] Voice 13: we've heard loud and clear what it is that what we're going to put on the page, what we don't

[2:37:43] Voice 13: know yet is how we're going to deal with it. So we're still hearing input. And I still...

[2:37:48] Voice 11: Can I do one more comment before you move? Yes. John, you mentioned that we would need a different

[2:37:55] Voice 11: format to do this?

[2:37:58] Voice 13: I was talking about engaging. I was talking about, so working

[2:38:04] Voice 13: sessions, for example, there were working sessions that were

[2:38:09] Voice 13: participative and shoreline and congruent. We've got ideas related to shoreline and so forth.

[2:38:17] Voice 13: And there were a couple of meetings that have been further. I know there were, I think Cameron had a group that we were talking about. So, one of the things that I found that's quite effective

[2:38:34] Voice 13: to the public is

[2:38:38] Voice 11: to engage people in smaller groups,

[2:38:42] Voice 11: talk about the issues, have the opportunity to share ideas.

[2:38:46] Voice 11: What

[2:38:46] Voice 13: kind of where things kind of went off the rail

[2:38:52] Voice 13: is we know 1-4-4, 1-1-4.

[2:38:56] Voice 13: We knew at 1-1-4 there was a lot of work that went on board,

[2:39:00] Voice 13: and people understood that, and they

[2:39:01] Voice 13: were

[2:39:01] Voice 11: part of a lengthy process to get there.

[2:39:05] Voice 13: Unfortunately, things aren't actually immutable,

[2:39:08] Voice 13: And things are changing around us, and there

[2:39:11] Voice 11: is a pressure to build with it.

[2:39:12] Voice 11: You spend a million dollars on essentially a teardown.

[2:39:16] Voice 11: The person that's buying that can afford to build a house.

[2:39:19] Voice 11: They're not going to live in

[2:39:19] Voice 13: the little cab that's there, other than me.

[2:39:24] Voice 13: But most people want something else.

[2:39:26] Voice 13: And I know the other group that wanted to buy our property we have

[2:39:29] Voice 13: wanted to tear down the house, flatten the lot, all that kind of stuff.

[2:39:36] Voice 13: I know that that's what the alternative was.

[2:39:39] Voice 13: And they would have been with us.

[2:39:43] Voice 13: But there is another way.

[2:39:44] Voice 13: There is, like talking about guidelines that encourage rainwater, encouraging solar, there's

[2:39:58] Voice 13: a whole lot of things that could be considered in this, and

[2:40:02] Voice 13: maybe in that process, you get

[2:40:06] Voice 13: closer to a meeting, because what we knew before, everybody knew, like they participated

[2:40:15] Voice 13: in that, people are telling me they didn't participate in the same way in the changes

[2:40:19] Voice 13: and so maybe that's the way forward is rather than just get rid of it engage people hear what

[2:40:28] Voice 13: they have to say how that affects them but also help them understand that there might be there

[2:40:33] Voice 13: might be benefit because as i say one two two is actually watered down version a lot of other

[2:40:41] Voice 13: people whether you agree with that or not that's just the reality we have a we have a to be candid

[2:40:52] Voice 13: of a strong almost libertarian and we have a much more kind of we

[2:41:05] Voice 11: know yeah thank you thank you for

[2:41:08] Voice 11: clarifying just that thing and uh toby did you patch that because um there was some answers to

[2:41:17] Voice 11: the question that you put forward about in terms of what else can we do so it was smaller groups

[2:41:22] Voice 11: small

[2:41:23] Voice 6: working groups and focused discussion on um a particular aspect um yeah i i think we

[2:41:32] Voice 6: we did hear that i would also

[2:41:35] Voice 6: add that city of victoria um has done a brilliant job of

[2:41:41] Voice 6: from their planning department explaining the or laying out options let's say for

[2:41:50] Voice 6: for in terms of a design guideline so at this at the housing summit the city planner presented

[2:41:58] Voice 6: some of their engagement process at pieces and if you go to the city of victoria's website i'm not

[2:42:06] Voice 6: going to go i mean we don't have the budget for that but some of the principles are you know if

[2:42:11] Voice 6: you want more green space less parking you're going to get less parking and here's your house

[2:42:18] Voice 6: size versus, you know, here are some other options. So I think there are some ways that

[2:42:24] Voice 6: we can definitely improve the conversation about how we, uh, develop, um, specifics around

[2:42:33] Voice 6: siting. So we can definitely do it better. It's, I'm not sure we've got the budget for, um,

[2:42:39] Voice 6: really strong as much as city of Victoria is doing, but anyway, sorry. Um, we'll need to wrap

[2:42:46] Voice 6: wrap this meeting up soon so I'd rather than getting down the road into specifics have we

[2:42:51] Voice 6: heard from everybody in the meeting no

[2:42:54] Voice 13: I've still got six more people on my speakers list and I just

[2:42:57] Voice 13: wanted to check in with you if we needed to have a hard stop at four so we because we've got the

[2:43:01] Voice 13: in-camera or do we need to do that before four o'clock

[2:43:04] Voice 6: um if we can hear from everybody in as

[2:43:08] Voice 6: brief you know be succinct as possible um I'd like to ask check in with the trustees and ask

[2:43:15] Voice 6: if they're ready to make a decision or we need to have further in community engagement and if

[2:43:21] Voice 6: we can wrap this by 4 15 would probably be good perfect

[2:43:25] Voice 13: thank you so much okay so on to our next

[2:43:27] Voice 13: speaker with you monica

[2:43:33] Voice 12: petrie um i agree that um trust council is going to be uh dealing with

[2:43:44] Voice 12: the government to implement issues around reconciliation with the First Nations.

[2:43:52] Voice 12: But at the same time, we are the people living on their unregulated islands, where they have

[2:44:00] Voice 12: historic inherent rights and treaty rights. And so I would like to see us become a more

[2:44:10] Voice 12: welcoming community to the presence of the First Nations people of Hosea,

[2:44:17] Voice 12: whose lands, the traditional lands we are occupying. And I think you've all seen

[2:44:28] Voice 12: the 13-moon calendar installation down the road in front of the Church of the

[2:44:35] Voice 12: good shepherd that came about as a project in consultation with say of people in particular

[2:44:45] Voice 12: because the reserve is primarily theirs and it came about because relationships were developed

[2:44:54] Voice 12: between our community and theirs and so um i think there is a role for all of us i agree

[2:45:04] Voice 12: bag that that we all have a responsibility and there are things that we can do and so if you

[2:45:12] Voice 12: just think about shoreline setbacks for one thing they have indigenous people in this area

[2:45:24] Voice 12: that traditionally depended on crabs shellfish and we need for everyone's sake to preserve

[2:45:35] Voice 12: the help of the shoreline and not be polluting people's food sources. That's one thing.

[2:45:45] Voice 12: Another thing I know is that Indigenous people often don't feel welcomed in the islands,

[2:45:54] Voice 12: or some people will welcome them and others will be unwelcoming in various ways with words and

[2:46:08] Voice 12: sometimes with deeds and so i would encourage us all to think about how we can be welcoming

[2:46:16] Voice 12: um how we can increase awareness in our community of their historic presence here

[2:46:25] Voice 12: and their ongoing relationships to the audience and so that's that's the two levels there it's

[2:46:34] Voice 12: the government government relationship and it's our relationship with the people

[2:46:40] Voice 12: whose traditional lands wouldn't go on thank you so much we appreciate it it was uh like

[2:46:48] Voice 13: i said that ties in very nicely to what uh chair elliott brought up earlier which i'm

[2:46:52] Voice 13: very impressed and something i've been interested in a while i just didn't know how to go about it

[2:46:56] Voice 13: So I'm very much looking forward to that.

[2:46:59] Voice 13: Thanks.

[2:47:01] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[2:47:03] Voice 4: Professor?

[2:47:05] Voice 13: I will.

[2:47:06] Voice 13: Talking about the topic, nobody in the room should be listening.

[2:47:14] Voice 13: The reason why I want to actually address this issue, I'm used to expecting there's

[2:47:21] Voice 13: a community effort as is one of the

[2:47:25] Voice 11: key, the

[2:47:26] Voice 13: time went into it.

[2:47:28] Voice 13: There is an evaluation of why this is not suitable.

[2:47:32] Voice 13: board. I never was given reasons why we achieved it, why we made it so strict. This was never

[2:47:40] Voice 13: apparent to me. And to me, 122 is a solution. I may be wrong. Maybe I'm not seeing it as other

[2:47:52] Voice 13: people see it, but that's how I saw it. And there was nothing convincing me otherwise.

[2:47:57] Voice 13: On the contrary, the behavior of the trustees, the form of discussion telling us that no,

[2:48:06] Voice 13: democracy doesn't have place here, you put me in this place, this is not supported, this

[2:48:12] Voice 13: is not how it is.

[2:48:14] Voice 13: I understand the sentiments of many that things do change and we need to improve things, but

[2:48:22] Voice 13: But if the community is not as a whole involved in something like this, then we don't have

[2:48:30] Voice 13: a big opportunity to actually exchange our ideas and articulate to each other, for which

[2:48:39] Voice 13: both of you call, why we need to change.

[2:48:42] Voice 13: I may not understand somebody's perception why they need bigger setbacks.

[2:48:47] Voice 13: As an engineer, I can easily prove that adding 10 feet of sand doesn't change anything in

[2:48:55] Voice 13: terms of noise.

[2:48:56] Voice 13: I can prove it to you mathematically.

[2:49:00] Voice 13: It's nothing.

[2:49:02] Voice 13: But anyways, so all what we are basically talking was that change will be possible.

[2:49:09] Voice 13: Alteration of things will be possible if from the beginning we actually involve community

[2:49:15] Voice 13: and we talk openly about it,

[2:49:16] Voice 13: rather than trying to push through something,

[2:49:21] Voice 11: which, you know, there are many people who support it

[2:49:26] Voice 11: or many people who want it.

[2:49:29] Voice 11: It sounds like Trump, who always got many people

[2:49:32] Voice 11: who say to him in general or whatever.

[2:49:35] Voice 13: So, I mean, if we actually made the effort

[2:49:39] Voice 13: to be in the group and talk about the issues

[2:49:41] Voice 13: and talk about why something pains us,

[2:49:44] Voice 13: it would be easier for everybody to relate.

[2:49:47] Voice 13: But yet, it didn't happen.

[2:49:49] Voice 13: So I look forward to seeing you

[2:49:52] Voice 13: trying to bring community together

[2:49:54] Voice 13: in a safe environment that we can talk about the issues.

[2:49:57] Voice 13: Because while I was put on the edge

[2:50:01] Voice 13: by being in some of the meetings,

[2:50:03] Voice 13: my lack of sort of awareness

[2:50:07] Voice 13: of what needs to be done with community to support it,

[2:50:11] Voice 13: I hope this is going to change, and I look forward to hearing feedback from everybody else.

[2:50:19] Voice 13: So what I'm hearing from a number of people is that they want to have these community discussions,

[2:50:27] Voice 13: and that more conversation is needed to clarify and figure out what the issues are,

[2:50:32] Voice 13: and then work together as a community to find out what a potential solution can be.

[2:50:37] Voice 13: someone i've been wanting hearing from a lot of people uh the next person on the speaker list is

[2:50:44] Voice 13: okay it's

[2:50:48] Voice 3: no it's very

[2:50:49] Voice 13: helpful no i think so um one suggestion was for when we do have community

[2:50:56] Voice 13: i believe as more people come if it's a larger space we'll feel more comfortable

[2:51:04] Voice 13: a little bit more room for us to sit around we wanted to sit in each other's pockets for just

[2:51:09] Voice 13: one of them because I notice there's still people who are wearing masks and they they may need that

[2:51:14] Voice 13: space for their own personal well-being so I think that's kind of important. As a First Nations

[2:51:21] Voice 13: person myself I have experienced bigotry growing up. I was unfortunate enough to live in southern

[2:51:31] Voice 13: Alberta during the former Trudeau's years and as a French Canadian Mohawk I can tell you right now

[2:51:38] Voice 13: that I know what bigotry feels like. And you look at me and you don't see my

[2:51:45] Voice 13: heritage. My father used to call me a Windian, a white Indian, because I look like I do.

[2:51:52] Voice 13: However, coming to Pender and getting told that I can't call myself a Penderite

[2:51:57] Voice 13: until I've been here for 20 years for me is a kind of bigotry. So that's a community

[2:52:04] Voice 13: thing that everybody needs to wrap their brain around. You don't have to look

[2:52:09] Voice 13: like an ethnic minority to be treated like crap so attitudes need to change on this island about

[2:52:15] Voice 13: that kind of stuff so that was a valid point i really appreciate that but maybe we need to

[2:52:21] Voice 13: change our attitude about being a hinderer too um so there's that uh getting back to the 122

[2:52:31] Voice 13: um sorry i really do think it needs to be our small project or your small project

[2:52:39] Voice 13: um tasking because it was designed for a one-size-fits-all process and that's not working

[2:52:45] Voice 13: um and to you sir i believe that democracy works i've seen it work but my mother used to say

[2:52:52] Voice 13: back in the 60s if you don't vote can't pitch um also in the army used to say don't come to me

[2:53:01] Voice 13: complaining about something unless you're going to bring some solutions

[2:53:05] Voice 13: And one of those solutions that we mentioned before was that it was a one-size-fits-all thing, and we have to look at things on a case-by-case basis.

[2:53:19] Voice 13: To say blithely that, oh, look, we had two people apply for DDPs, and they thought, well, yeah, that cost me three months and $1,900, thanks very much.

[2:53:28] Voice 3: And

[2:53:29] Voice 13: I'm on a federal government pension, and I can tell you right now it's a very small one.

[2:53:33] Voice 13: that nineteen hundred dollars came straight out of my building budget so you know i'm already

[2:53:41] Voice 13: going to dem x to use salvage materials because i have to in order to build my home i don't have

[2:53:48] Voice 13: a million dollar budget just because i have a lot of people right so to blithely say that 122

[2:53:54] Voice 13: is going to fix those kind of things is not it never was a solution to what we've got going on

[2:54:01] Voice 13: and finally um to somebody say that you're going to allow me to have the opportunity to build a

[2:54:12] Voice 13: bigger house if part of my square footage is going to be able to solve the housing prices

[2:54:17] Voice 13: crisis i don't want to be a landlord and for you to say that you're going to grant me that

[2:54:24] Voice 13: extra square footage as long as i have sweet over my garage that's unfair and you're again

[2:54:31] Voice 13: taking away my choices now we do need to look at these three points i'm just going to clarify i

[2:54:43] Voice 13: don't think that that was the intent of the comment that was provided i think it was a suggestion

[2:54:48] Voice 3: um

[2:54:49] Voice 13: so if we can be understood but that's my personal feelings on that and you need to

[2:54:55] Voice 13: understand that when you say that to somebody that's going to be their automatic assumption

[2:55:00] Voice 13: something that you're expecting me to become a landlord or to commit some of that space that

[2:55:05] Voice 13: you're graciously allowing me to have to have some of it so it should be my choice

[2:55:12] Voice 13: and okay this is this is like speaking about how things are getting affected like people

[2:55:19] Voice 13: are getting affected um it's really important um but right now we're not actually into the

[2:55:28] Voice 13: the depth of the discussion of how we're going to be dealing with the minor project as we

[2:55:33] Voice 13: foresee it coming up. So while we did ask that you state how you are being affected,

[2:55:42] Voice 13: I think it's also good if we remember and just hear perhaps where the other person is

[2:55:48] Voice 13: coming from other than just reacting to statements that are being made. It helps with the safety

[2:55:54] Voice 13: and for other people to feel comfortable coming up with, you know, perhaps they're not, you

[2:55:59] Voice 13: know wanting to put their hand up um because they don't want to be responded to at this point in

[2:56:06] Voice 13: time then i would just uh direct the jury to disregard christine okay so we've got about

[2:56:15] Voice 13: about 20 minutes left i have one two three i've got four more people i'm going to tentatively

[2:56:21] Voice 13: pop you down and um and if we've got time we'll get to you so the next person i've got on my list

[2:56:30] Voice 13: is donna thanks very much so sitting here in the back of the room and listening to you know what

[2:56:38] Voice 13: different people are saying about having been here forever how long they've been here there

[2:56:43] Voice 13: are a lot of people in this room who have been here for less than 20 years there are a lot of

[2:56:47] Voice 13: people in this room who've been here for 100 years so some of why that's right

[2:56:58] Voice 13: you know what broken foot at home i've been here probably

[2:57:05] Voice 13: i think one of the things that we could do is a commute and this is you know very respectfully

[2:57:14] Voice 13: lead to some comments have been made about others about managing forests using scientific information

[2:57:20] Voice 13: is to sit down and understand because i don't think we do exactly what this island is 30 of

[2:57:29] Voice 13: this island those three people and me owned over 200 acres of managed forest that is a commitment

[2:57:39] Voice 13: commitment that we make to manage that forest land, to protect those trees, to cultivate

[2:57:46] Voice 13: those trees, to put in new trees, the whole nine yards.

[2:57:51] Voice 13: We spend a lot of money doing it, but we don't get a lot back for it.

[2:57:56] Voice 13: So 30% of this island is parkland.

[2:58:01] Voice 13: How much, Bertie, how much is agriculture?

[2:58:06] Voice 4: Oh.

[2:58:09] Voice 13: How much is agriculture?

[2:58:11] Voice 13: Not more.

[2:58:12] Voice 13: It's so big.

[2:58:13] Voice 13: if it's the agriculture inventory so there are some of those protections that already exist

[2:58:19] Voice 13: 33 agriculture farm 33 33 agriculture 30 percent um forest and 30

[2:58:31] Voice 13: and 30 percent park that's not

[2:58:34] Voice 13: right but the point is i think we need to understand what you know what

[2:58:44] Voice 13: the island is what those protections already are for some of those places and to the the um lady

[2:58:51] Voice 13: with the shirt on there in the front who said science and water rebecca sorry yes we should

[2:59:00] Voice 13: do that i don't have a water i know that my next door neighbors don't i know that people on top of

[2:59:08] Voice 13: the hill may have a water problem my water doesn't affect their water so you know we need to sort

[2:59:15] Voice 13: that out a little bit better so um and how we how we work with each other how we impact each other

[2:59:21] Voice 13: how we respect what is here regardless of whether it's what we want to do with our land as the

[2:59:27] Voice 13: owners now how we respect it for what others did with it the walker family and the spalding family

[2:59:34] Voice 13: about hundreds of years before we all got here we need we need to understand so that that i would

[2:59:41] Voice 13: suggest that you know one day put a big mouth up on the wall and we have that conversation

[2:59:45] Voice 13: because it doesn't mean yeah that's a good suggestion thanks um do you have any

[2:59:56] Voice 13: um heather you're next and then i've got dennis cameron and

[3:00:00] Voice 12: I just wanted to address

[3:00:03] Voice 13: a comment that I heard by email in the last couple of days

[3:00:07] Voice 13: and also in this room, that there haven't been any problems since By-law 122 was passed.

[3:00:15] Voice 13: And I have to

[3:00:16] Voice 13: say there have only been two, as I think Daphne mentioned as well, only

[3:00:21] Voice 13: two applications for variance.

[3:00:24] Voice 13: And both of them, of course, had to go through neighbor's approval and all of the rest of

[3:00:29] Voice 13: it.

[3:00:29] Voice 13: um that's only two and daphne makes this up on the hill nobody really seems to care and people

[3:00:37] Voice 13: around um marty's place all were fine with what was happening but if you happen to be next door

[3:00:44] Voice 13: to somebody who doesn't share your view or just happens to want or maybe everybody around you

[3:00:51] Voice 13: then then there's a problem but we haven't placed that problem so um just to say that the

[3:00:58] Voice 13: bylaw 122 is fine because nobody's made any, has any problem with it. They, if they

[3:01:07] Voice 13: voted in, I'd say, both of your favor, they were already aware that you would likely

[3:01:13] Voice 13: be revisiting this. And

[3:01:16] Voice 13: so we weren't jumping at, you know, trying to get, get

[3:01:21] Voice 13: this thing done within a couple of months. Here we are and we're all talking about it.

[3:01:28] Voice 13: and so i i don't think that just saying that it has worked um is a good enough reason to

[3:01:37] Voice 3: yeah i

[3:01:43] Voice 13: wasn't planning on speaking a second time i got distracted by what i was doing but

[3:01:47] Voice 13: i really wanted to make a point about 122 and um the reason i would like to go back to

[3:01:53] Voice 13: the previous one is that i mean we went all through this process with 122 and we sat here

[3:02:00] Voice 13: and you know we read the documents and I don't know how many people read the letters that came

[3:02:04] Voice 13: in and supporting him opposing all the bad if some of us did and I read I read the bylaws and

[3:02:10] Voice 13: I read the technical part they're kind of a technical person so when something is written

[3:02:15] Voice 13: down I want to know why was that written down like what's the purpose okay I said okay what does it

[3:02:19] Voice 13: do um when I went to the public hearing I'm actually going to read a bit um when I went to

[3:02:26] Voice 13: public hearing I said we received mail and seen social media posts presenting

[3:02:31] Voice 13: the trustees personal views none containing any technical professional or

[3:02:36] Voice 13: scientific resource information linkage or data to establish it might have been

[3:02:42] Voice 13: there I don't know there wasn't presented to us and so I like to see the

[3:02:46] Voice 13: data so when we have even these little focus groups whatever I don't think it's

[3:02:51] Voice 13: of any value of somebody saying i support the trustees or something or i like that idea there's

[3:02:58] Voice 13: got to be something behind it if somebody says to me i just like that idea i'm not counting that as

[3:03:04] Voice 13: being valid for anything so no value to me they have to tell me why they like it what is it about

[3:03:08] Voice 13: it that has improved the community um the step back good example i mean i gotta know what that

[3:03:16] Voice 13: did what exactly did it do um i don't know no one ever explained that um the house size i debated

[3:03:24] Voice 13: that here too about the lead system and whether it actually made any sense or not and a professional

[3:03:30] Voice 13: that actually wrote letters to the press that no it didn't make any sense to reason inside so i'm

[3:03:34] Voice 13: just saying i want to see the technical part so if you have groups working together i just don't

[3:03:39] Voice 13: like seeing the emotions being there

[3:03:42] Planner Stockdill (probable): as being an

[3:03:43] Voice 13: equal statement to somebody comes up with a big

[3:03:45] Voice 13: long technical document you know i want to subscribe thank you i think that's going to

[3:03:52] Voice 13: be really important moving forward as well um we're going to have to have reasons for what we do

[3:04:00] Voice 13: um cameron thanks thank

[3:04:02] Voice 12: you um great great conversation um just very quickly um bylaw

[3:04:07] Voice 12: 114 i think is has

[3:04:08] Voice 13: been presented by some people as a panacea or if it was all kumbaya when it

[3:04:12] Voice 13: wasn't um we did go through a long process we made some decisions in the in in the dark so to speak

[3:04:19] Voice 13: about what how sizes should be in the absence of any empirical data as to what they were sort of

[3:04:24] Voice 13: mr purchase comment i like science as well um myself um and and actually gory traded databases

[3:04:31] Voice 13: about you you saw too about really what was built and and it's not to say that what was built should

[3:04:36] Voice 13: then become the absolute benchmark for what house sizes should be but what it did illustrate from an

[3:04:43] Voice 13: empirical point of view um was that that the house sizes that were in place under bylaw 114 were for

[3:04:51] Voice 13: the most part much much larger than the predominant houses that were built on the on the island and

[3:04:57] Voice 13: and again as i said before given the rapid uh escalation in property values and people with

[3:05:02] Voice 13: more money shown up and certainly that's obviously one of the actions that we took i think as i said

[3:05:08] Voice 13: before i'm listening to everybody in the room there's obviously people have strong opinions

[3:05:11] Voice 13: either either side obviously it doesn't seem like the path forward is to say bylaw 122 as great as

[3:05:17] Voice 13: it is discussion ended yet on the other hand it doesn't sound like bylaw 114 is great as it is

[3:05:23] Voice 13: and i do think and as someone that obviously was it was very involved with 112 i you know i

[3:05:28] Voice 13: I think it warrants a coming together of the community

[3:05:33] Voice 13: to try and find out, you know,

[3:05:36] Voice 13: John Elkland, as he always is,

[3:05:37] Voice 13: I think has summed it up beautifully.

[3:05:39] Voice 13: I think the challenge was the communication

[3:05:41] Voice 13: during that period of time,

[3:05:43] Voice 13: but I would welcome workshops.

[3:05:45] Voice 13: I would like to participate in them.

[3:05:46] Voice 13: I would like to explain and have dialogues

[3:05:48] Voice 13: about the empirical data behind the things

[3:05:51] Voice 13: we were trying to do or the good planning principles

[3:05:53] Voice 13: that aligned with some of the objectives

[3:05:55] Voice 13: of our OCP, for example.

[3:05:57] Voice 13: so i would welcome this and i would just my final comment is encourage you to try and find that

[3:06:02] Voice 13: happy meeting in your objective of finding consensus uh one final thing is people used

[3:06:08] Voice 13: to say well we're on we're the only one doing this nobody else is doing this it's not the same

[3:06:12] Voice 13: but north pender has effectively brought in a change to their post sizes in the last week or

[3:06:17] Voice 13: so themselves so just just so you know we're not the only ones that are looking at this thank you

[3:06:26] Voice 13: okay so we're going to get to a final speaker for this session because we are just after four

[3:06:31] Voice 13: o'clock and that is thank you um just two things quickly um the process for 114 was lengthy i

[3:06:41] Voice 13: participated in it i worked with authority on focus groups i coordinated one of the groups

[3:06:46] Voice 13: I was on the APC that came to the conclusion that the maximum house size should be 3,600 square feet.

[3:06:55] Voice 13: In the final analysis, when it came down to making a decision, the trustees were in a conundrum, and they opted for making sure nobody was nonconforming, so they opted, defaulted to the larger houses.

[3:07:09] Voice 13: That was a problem, as Cameron has pointed out in terms of the data. I agree. Let's look at the data. But the key thing I want to say is this. We've heard about rescinding bylaw 122, and we've heard about revisiting it.

[3:07:27] Voice 13: and I think the same path forward is if you want to revisit it that's one thing do not throw it out

[3:07:34] Voice 13: much good work was accomplished many steps forward were achieved I'm one of those people that believe

[3:07:40] Voice 13: that that there was a compromise on house size and like John said there's many people in this

[3:07:46] Voice 13: community who feel that compromise was too high but some feel it was too low but there was a

[3:07:52] Voice 13: compromise made if those issues have to be looked at again let's do it thoughtfully and not throw

[3:07:58] Voice 13: everything out let's see where the problems are i do not i think the chair has shown that

[3:08:07] Voice 13: legal non-conforming is not a substantial issue except in the minds of some people but in terms

[3:08:15] Voice 13: of empirically, in terms of facts it's not. Many other factors here need to be

[3:08:21] Voice 13: discussed in terms of the facts. So I would urge you not to rescind bylaw 122.

[3:08:29] Voice 13: I would urge you, if you consider that problems are brought forward, that those

[3:08:33] Voice 13: problems be analyzed and solutions to fix the problems identified be proceeded

[3:08:40] Voice 13: needed with and have that conversation that'll bring this community together

[3:08:44] Voice 4: um yeah

[3:08:55] Voice 11: no i didn't

[3:08:56] Voice 13: yeah

[3:08:56] Voice 11: i think for

[3:08:57] Voice 13: myself like again a final thought um after hearing from everybody and thank you

[3:09:02] Voice 13: all for showing up and and providing your thoughts and your inputs and like i said it's

[3:09:09] Voice 13: it's clear to me that that 122 either should should be our minor project like whether it

[3:09:18] Voice 13: involves rescinding and starting again or amending and going finding a better way to do what the work

[3:09:26] Voice 13: that's already been done um whichever way it is i think this is the the key element in our

[3:09:36] Voice 13: community right now that's that's causing some issues and i think it needs to be it needs to be

[3:09:41] Voice 13: cleared up it needs to be we need to get back together again we need to find some way to be

[3:09:46] Voice 13: happy with each other okay

[3:09:48] Voice 11: i think it's two pathways to the same yeah same end that we've

[3:09:56] Voice 11: been talking about and so we can choose one or the other but keeping in mind that it's two pathways

[3:10:03] Voice 11: ways to the same place. And we have to consider everything around that to choose the best way.

[3:10:13] Voice 13: So, Chair Elliott, should we at this point make a

[3:10:20] Voice 13: motion? I'm not sure if you're frozen.

[3:10:22] Voice 11: I think she's frozen.

[3:10:24] Voice 11: Can

[3:10:24] Voice 13: we make a motion that the final 122 becomes our minor project?

[3:10:32] Voice 13: if

[3:10:33] Voice 6: you feel ready to make a decision um you can do that if you feel that you need more community

[3:10:44] Voice 6: consultation uh or community engagement uh that's another option or you could ask staff to report

[3:10:54] Voice 6: back at the september meeting um to include comments from today's meeting and maybe list

[3:11:02] Voice 6: options for the LTC's next project. But if you feel comfortable moving ahead with revisiting

[3:11:09] Voice 6: bylaw 122 or rescinding and making that your minor project moving ahead, then absolutely

[3:11:17] Voice 6: you can make a motion for that effect.

[3:11:20] Voice 13: I would make a motion that bylaw 122 becomes our minor

[3:11:24] Voice 13: project and not make a decision as to whether it's revisited or rescinded at this point. I

[3:11:31] Voice 6: I think to make it your minor project though you'd have to rescind it well hold on, let me, let me look back at the notes here, I may need some clarity.

[3:11:49] Voice 3: So

[3:11:54] Voice 6: just looking back at an email from director of legislative services just give me a minute here.

[3:12:07] Voice 3: Once

[3:12:07] Voice 8: a bylaw has been adopted, the only way.

[3:12:12] Voice 3: that's right go

[3:12:14] Voice 11: ahead um

[3:12:15] Voice 6: once a bylaw has been adopted the only way to amend it or repeal it

[3:12:22] Voice 6: is by another bylaw so uh consider the line you've changed it repealing by the

[3:12:35] Voice 6: 122 do new lub amending bylaw be required to amend the current lub bylaw 144 to remove the

[3:12:45] Voice 6: okay i'm gonna need a minute just because planner stock deal is not on the line anymore

[3:12:51] Voice 6: um let me just confer so everybody take a two minute recess i

[3:12:57] Voice 13: can just have a quick

[3:12:59] Voice 13: side conversation to see how we if if if either of us are in a position to to know if we would

[3:13:07] Voice 13: have a preference on rescinding or repositioning like for me there's there's i'm sorry guys but

[3:13:15] Voice 13: we are actually still meeting so if you if you if you want me please do so but you do so quietly

[3:13:20] Voice 13: that'd be lovely um like are we in a position are you do you feel ready to make a choice as to

[3:13:29] Voice 13: whether you feel rescinding bylaw 122 would be the way to move forward and then um bring forward

[3:13:37] Voice 13: with a new bylaw project or do you feel like amending it and leaving it the way that it is

[3:13:44] Voice 13: potentially for another year or so?

[3:13:49] Voice 11: Well I'm

[3:13:50] Voice 3: struggling with that.

[3:13:54] Voice 13: I'm hearing a lot of people

[3:13:56] Voice 13: that are struggling with the new 122 and

[3:14:05] Voice 3: having

[3:14:06] Voice 13: that put on them it's there's there's been a lot

[3:14:09] Voice 13: conversation that it's become a little too restrictive and to leave it in place for another

[3:14:15] Voice 13: year or 18 months or for two years or even until the end of our term however long it takes

[3:14:20] Voice 3: and

[3:14:21] Voice 13: like i i think this is going to be a lengthy discussion i don't

[3:14:31] Voice 13: think i i don't see this

[3:14:33] Voice 13: this happening any anytime swiftly so like does this does this get rolled back and then we deal

[3:14:40] Voice 13: with one item at a time um yeah

[3:14:45] Voice 11: obviously there are people who want to see either of those

[3:14:49] Voice 11: methods to get there um you know there's pros and cons for both ways of

[3:14:56] Voice 11: approaching it you know

[3:14:58] Voice 11: stopping you know just rescinding it and starting over gives you more freedom to build it the way

[3:15:03] Voice 11: you want you're not restricted by tweaking or changing something that's already in place maybe

[3:15:08] Voice 11: maybe the structure isn't to our liking, then we have to do away with a whole bunch of stuff

[3:15:13] Voice 11: in order to get where we want to, so that it's going to be a little more cumbersome work in that

[3:15:19] Voice 11: way, but on the flip side, it may send the message that we're not, you know, a stronger message than

[3:15:33] Voice 11: we intend to send, that we're, it may sound like we're opposed to everything and, you know, to

[3:15:38] Voice 11: dealing with anything there and by rescinding it and i don't know that i want to make that

[3:15:43] Voice 11: message necessarily because i i do think we should deal with stuff right yeah and

[3:15:48] Voice 11: so but

[3:15:49] Voice 11: on the other side if uh if we keep it and work to change it then then in a way we're giving a

[3:16:01] Voice 11: different message we're giving a message that you know we'll see and can't make our minds up and

[3:16:07] Voice 11: can't be decisive and yeah whatever to those who feel we should rescind it so my feeling is that

[3:16:13] Voice 11: both pathways can lead to the same place and i'm looking for the i'm looking for the answer to the

[3:16:20] Voice 11: question of which method would leave the community as whole as possible in the process like not cause

[3:16:31] Voice 11: a rift so if one method causes a bigger rift than the other to achieve the same goal i would avoid

[3:16:37] Voice 11: avoid that one but i don't have the answer to that in my mind yet so i need more time to think

[3:16:42] Voice 11: about it

[3:16:42] Voice 13: yeah so does

[3:16:44] Voice 11: that make sense it

[3:16:44] Voice 13: does it does and it's helping me to figure out my little

[3:16:48] Voice 13: brain too so i'm thinking i

[3:16:51] Voice 6: have a suggestion and i think there may be two resolutions needed

[3:16:55] Voice 6: if you need more time but christina if you've got i thought

[3:17:00] Voice 13: i'm just yeah i'm just i'm just

[3:17:02] Voice 13: trying to like digest everything that we've read over the past uh few weeks and listened in here

[3:17:09] Voice 13: today um there are there are people that are very unhappy living under the new bylaw that got passed

[3:17:19] Voice 13: and feel that the conversation was cut short so if that bylaw had not been passed we could still

[3:17:26] Voice 13: be having that conversation right now um so and and maybe finding a different way to get the

[3:17:36] Voice 13: community back together i think for me going back and started not starting the conversation again

[3:17:46] Voice 13: but each of the each of the changes that were that were in file or 122 needs to have his own

[3:17:54] Voice 13: own conversation because there were a lot of things in there that did not get a good conversation

[3:18:03] Voice 13: with the with the residents because they were focused on like two main items so there was a

[3:18:11] Voice 13: lot of other things that just didn't get a good conversation on and I'm uncomfortable having

[3:18:17] Voice 13: having that stay in place when the conversation wasn't completed and I think the message that

[3:18:26] Voice 13: we'll be sending is yeah we're rolling it back but we're keeping the work going we're not stopping

[3:18:31] Voice 13: the work we're we're keeping the work going which I think would have been a better way to

[3:18:41] Voice 13: have gone about it but I understand you know when when people come to an end of a term they want to

[3:18:47] Voice 13: make sure that the work that they've done remains in effect and I get that we're not we're not we're

[3:18:54] Voice 13: not throwing the work away we're actually just rolling the decision back and continuing on with

[3:19:02] Voice 13: the conversation and finding finding a better place to end up

[3:19:06] Voice 11: may not if I understood you right

[3:19:09] Voice 11: Toby um we may not have the option to do that if if I understood that right that you said that

[3:19:15] Voice 11: you can only repeal a bylaw by replacing it with a new bylaw yeah so

[3:19:22] Voice 11: we're not ready to replace it

[3:19:23] Voice 11: with a new bylaw so today so i don't know that leaves us on an option so we

[3:19:29] Voice 11: can

[3:19:30] Voice 6: request so i

[3:19:32] Voice 6: the path that i see forward is if this is the target area that you want to address it might be

[3:19:39] Voice 6: be to consider your minor project conducting further engagement with the community on the

[3:19:46] Voice 6: contents of bylaw 122 because there are some like what are the engagement methods that you might

[3:19:54] Voice 6: want to use um how what are the parts of bylaw 122 that require further thinking what are the

[3:20:03] Voice 6: parts that the community wants to keep that could be one path that you actually you could make a

[3:20:09] Voice 6: a decision today to do some further engagement and some work on bylaw 122 but the second piece

[3:20:17] Voice 6: would be that request that staff prepare a report with options to address bylaw 122 considering the

[3:20:24] Voice 6: comments from today's community information meeting and the previous one for the next LTC

[3:20:29] Voice 6: meeting and then you can make your decision in September.

[3:20:33] Voice 13: Sorry for clarification you're saying

[3:20:35] Voice 13: that we cannot rescind a bylaw so

[3:20:37] Voice 6: the direction from uh director marler uh to the question

[3:20:44] Voice 6: would a new lub amending bylaw be required to amend the current bylaw number 144

[3:20:55] Voice 6: i'm sorry this is very confusing to remove the amendments from bylaw 122 so basically what's

[3:21:01] Voice 6: the process to rescind the response was once a bylaw has been adopted the only way to amend it

[3:21:09] Voice 6: or repeal it is by another bylaw so if you are doing a bylaw for another land use issue

[3:21:17] Voice 6: this is a bit unclear you can include a repeal clause or write a bylaw that only has a repeal

[3:21:26] Voice 6: clause in it so we could today write the

[3:21:29] Voice 6: bylaw that repeals bylaw 122 yes okay

[3:21:34] Voice 11: okay so we can

[3:21:35] Voice 13: do

[3:21:36] Voice 11: it and we have that option yes okay

[3:21:38] Voice 13: so let i i would i would i would be of the position to do

[3:21:44] Voice 13: that and then we would have a new bylaw at once once it's been repealed you would then have the

[3:21:53] Voice 13: the next bylaw, to continue on the conversation regarding the house size, the setbacks,

[3:21:59] Voice 13: those, like the, to do a minor, to do a minor, I think the bylaw, whatever it is.

[3:22:13] Voice 13: I'm lost. What's a minor project? So the minor

[3:22:17] Voice 6: project could be to conduct further engagement

[3:22:19] Voice 6: on the contents of bylaw 122, if that's the direction you want to go.

[3:22:25] Voice 6: of like what bylaw 122 was attempting to to address i've got caterpillars all over me

[3:22:33] Voice 13: everywhere oh they really are everywhere it's

[3:22:40] Voice 6: actually too cold inside my tiny house it's

[3:22:42] Voice 6: really well insulated and it's just too cold in there so i'm sitting outside now i've got

[3:22:46] Voice 6: caterpillars all over me sorry okay i'm all applied um so

[3:22:52] Voice 13: do you have the wording to

[3:22:54] Voice 13: like i don't i don't know where you sit on this

[3:22:58] Voice 6: i'm i'm agnostic i'm really just happy to go with

[3:23:05] Voice 6: um though the repeal without its planner here it's a little bit difficult because i'm new at

[3:23:13] Voice 6: this too but i would say um your motion might be that the south pender ltc um repeals bylaw 122

[3:23:25] Voice 6: that is the repeal clause and we can ask and the uh the requirements are that we

[3:23:34] Voice 6: have it be clear in staff reports referrals and notices um that the land use change

[3:23:42] Voice 6: is included in the repeal so i think it might mean we have to refer to bylaw 144.

[3:23:51] Voice 3: 114 114

[3:23:53] Voice 6: 114 sorry so

[3:23:54] Voice 13: and then would we make a second motion for our minor project to make

[3:23:59] Voice 13: further amendments to the bylaws like it'll be like uh just trying to think i

[3:24:08] Voice 6: would i would

[3:24:08] Voice 6: explore options on engaging with the community on the contents of bylaw 122 and and bring that

[3:24:20] Voice 6: back forward as your minor project perfect

[3:24:24] Voice 13: oh

[3:24:25] Voice 6: dear what did i just say

[3:24:29] Voice 6: the south pender it repeals bylaw 122 um and then two is that the minor project

[3:24:39] Voice 6: would be to conduct further engagement with the community and

[3:24:47] Voice 6: And, yeah, and request staff to prepare a report

[3:24:56] Voice 7: with options for engagement

[3:25:05] Voice 8: for

[3:25:07] Voice 6: the next LTC meeting.

[3:25:08] Voice 6: So I've just put that in the chat.

[3:25:10] Voice 6: The wording may not be correct.

[3:25:12] Voice 6: we may have to do an rwm if if this is not um okay

[3:25:17] Voice 13: so i'll

[3:25:18] Voice 6: get wording but hopefully the intent is

[3:25:22] Voice 6: so i move that the south pender ltc repeals bylaw 122 and the second one would be a move that the

[3:25:31] Voice 6: minor project for the south pender ltc to is to conduct further engagement with the community

[3:25:37] Voice 6: and the contents of bylaw 122 and then maybe a third one is request staff

[3:25:42] Voice 6: to report back with options for engagement for the next ltc meeting

[3:25:52] Voice 13: you can

[3:25:52] Voice 6: totally change this this these are just suggestions yeah

[3:25:56] Voice 11: yeah like the one thing that

[3:25:58] Voice 11: seems a little limiting is the contents of the

[3:26:02] Voice 6: bylaw well i i'm i'm limited because i don't have

[3:26:06] Voice 6: that the wording but we could like

[3:26:11] Voice 13: I'd have

[3:26:22] Voice 3: to go

[3:26:25] Voice 6: back through the minutes to

[3:26:26] Voice 6: sort of know what the project was called that's what I mean by the contents of it

[3:26:32] Voice 6: it's like what yeah

[3:26:33] Voice 13: it was

[3:26:35] Voice 6: bylaw 122 what was it called before then minor official community plan

[3:26:43] Voice 6: amendment so it'd be bylaw 114 so

[3:26:47] Voice 13: on the contents of bylaw 114 so

[3:26:50] Voice 6: this was so i'm looking back at

[3:26:52] Voice 6: your it's still up on your website minor official community plan amendments was what it was called

[3:26:57] Voice 6: lub amendments oh

[3:26:59] Voice 13: there you go that that's what we call it so then further engagement on the

[3:27:02] Voice 13: the um lub amendments but

[3:27:08] Voice 6: we're not referring to what turned into bylaw 123 22 yes so what what i'm

[3:27:16] Voice 8: looking at on the

[3:27:16] Voice 6: website is minor official community plan amendments refers to bylaw 123

[3:27:22] Voice 6: the building citing and use guidelines rights of nature principal policies first nations

[3:27:26] Voice 6: introductory acknowledgement that's that's

[3:27:28] Voice 6: different that so we have so 122 what was 122

[3:27:34] Voice 6: called it

[3:27:37] Voice 13: was i'm sure it was the land use bylaw because the other one was the ocp amendment it

[3:27:41] Voice 13: was the land use bylaw okay

[3:27:43] Voice 6: so lub amendments yeah

[3:27:46] Voice 8: um let me just look at that

[3:27:56] Voice 8: groundwater 2021 three

[3:28:07] Voice 6: priorities one sorry i'm just reading through an old so the potential lub

[3:28:11] Voice 6: amendments listed here was maximum floor area regulations yes our

[3:28:16] Voice 6: regulations in accordance

[3:28:17] Voice 6: with alc policy l26 derelict vehicle machinery shipping containers set back to the natural

[3:28:23] Voice 6: boundary of the sea that's the one that's

[3:28:28] Voice 7: the one so that is that

[3:28:33] Voice 6: was the lub it's lub amendments

[3:28:37] Voice 6: i guess the 2021 lub amendments i guess yes

[3:28:43] Voice 13: that would be better okay

[3:28:45] Voice 6: let's call it lub

[3:28:46] Voice 6: 2021 lub amendments project okay so replace contents

[3:28:53] Voice 13: of my law 122 we're still we're still

[3:28:56] Voice 13: meeting and it's still being recorded yeah

[3:28:58] Voice 6: okay so somebody want to make a motion so

[3:29:02] Voice 7: did you did

[3:29:02] Voice 7: you write that down i

[3:29:04] Voice 6: will just copy that into the chat with the on the 2021 lub amendments

[3:29:16] Voice 8: Okay, so the minor project of the South Pender LTC is

[3:29:28] Voice 7: to conduct further community engagement on the 2021 LUB proposal.

[3:29:41] Voice 7: 2021, sorry folks.

[3:29:51] Voice 6: I'm sure I'm going to get better at this.

[3:29:54] Voice 6: You're doing great.

[3:29:55] Voice 6: Requested to repair a port with options.

[3:30:00] Voice 6: Okay, so now number two is that the minor project of the South Bender LTC is to conduct further community engagement on the 2021 LUB amendments project, and that staff be requested to prepare a report with options for the next LTC meeting.

[3:30:17] Voice 13: Perfect.

[3:30:18] Voice 13: That's good.

[3:30:20] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:30:20] Voice 13: Are you comfortable with that?

[3:30:22] Voice 11: And that comes after number one.

[3:30:24] Voice 11: under

[3:30:25] Voice 6: LTC by

[3:30:26] Voice 6: law yeah you should probably add an hereby in there or something to make it

[3:30:31] Voice 11: official

[3:30:31] Voice 3: right

[3:30:33] Voice 11: um yeah I guess I'm okay with that um I mean I I wish I could please everybody

[3:30:43] Voice 11: but we can't yeah but

[3:30:45] Voice 13: what we can do is we can get everybody closer

[3:30:48] Voice 11: yeah

[3:30:49] Voice 13: and I think it's easier to move things forward as as as one of these projects than it is

[3:30:56] Voice 13: to work backwards and leave people in an uncomfortable position

[3:30:59] Voice 11: right for an extended

[3:30:59] Voice 11: period of time we may have to go out and approve variances based on the you know the one two two

[3:31:07] Voice 11: now in the process of rewriting it which will be very awkward yeah

[3:31:13] Voice 13: that would i think yeah and and

[3:31:16] Voice 13: we can't have people like put their projects on hold for a year and a half right

[3:31:19] Voice 11: yeah so yeah so

[3:31:21] Voice 11: So I think we have to be decisive and do it this way.

[3:31:25] Voice 11: Yeah.

[3:31:25] Voice 11: So go, if you want to make a

[3:31:27] Voice 11: motion.

[3:31:28] Voice 11: All right.

[3:31:30] Voice 13: I move that the South Pender LTC repeals bylaw 122.

[3:31:35] Voice 13: We

[3:31:38] Voice 11: may be directed that the language has to include a new bylaw.

[3:31:43] Voice 11: Or that somehow

[3:31:44] Voice 6: it needs to refer back to 114, like perhaps.

[3:31:49] Voice 13: Actually,

[3:31:50] Voice 6: I'm going to

[3:31:51] Voice 13: add that in.

[3:31:51] Voice 13: that the South Penn LCC repeals bylaw 122 and um goes back to one bylaw 114

[3:32:03] Voice 11: reinstate yeah

[3:32:04] Voice 11: or whatever

[3:32:05] Voice 4: or you know what let's just leave it like that let's

[3:32:17] Voice 8: leave it like that

[3:32:20] Voice 13: oh

[3:32:21] Voice 11: we lost your voice there we

[3:32:22] Voice 6: can't hear you sorry the intent is clear uh if we need to change

[3:32:26] Voice 6: the wording we can come back and do that by rwm as long as the public understands that that is

[3:32:32] Voice 6: your intent and that's what we're doing today yeah

[3:32:35] Voice 11: i'll second it

[3:32:36] Voice 6: okay any further discussion

[3:32:40] Voice 6: all those in favor okay oh lisa our minute ticker has a question

[3:32:50] Voice 9: through the chair there are multiple uh versions of that motion if you could repeat the final

[3:32:56] Voice 9: version please thank

[3:32:59] Voice 13: you this is the simple one that the south pender ltc repeals bylaw 122

[3:33:09] Voice 13: thank

[3:33:11] Voice 5: you

[3:33:14] Voice 13: i really appreciate your minute-taking skills okay

[3:33:18] Voice 6: does somebody want to move the second

[3:33:20] Voice 6: one about your my minor project or your work plan sure

[3:33:24] Voice 13: i move that the minor project for the south

[3:33:28] Voice 13: Pender LTC is to conduct further community engagement on the 2021 LUB amendments project

[3:33:36] Voice 13: and that staff be requested to prepare and report a report with options for the next LTC meeting

[3:33:43] Voice 13: in September.

[3:33:45] Voice 6: Sure yeah because we've got an interim LTC meeting that's great we can add

[3:33:51] Voice 6: September.

[3:33:53] Voice 13: And Lisa, you've got that? I do.

[3:33:58] Voice 13: Perfect. I'll second it.

[3:34:01] Voice 6: Okay, seconded by

[3:34:02] Voice 6: Trustee Falk. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. You need your hand? Okay, great.

[3:34:12] Voice 6: All right. Congratulations, Trustees. You have set a priority project for the work ahead.

[3:34:19] Voice 6: a

[3:34:20] Voice 13: minor project that could uh go into the next term go

[3:34:25] Voice 6: into all kinds of directions

[3:34:27] Voice 13: so thank you everybody for showing up for this portion i believe i'm jumping ahead here but i'm

[3:34:36] Voice 13: speaking for you that we're going to be going into an internal session next

[3:34:39] Voice 13: Okay, thank you. Thank you for the conversation.

[3:34:44] Voice 13: Thank you. Oh, thank

[3:34:45] Voice 13: you, I really appreciate it.

[3:34:47] Voice 13: Thank you. I

[3:34:48] Voice 13: always have to share about the names of the depth.

[3:34:49] Voice 13: But he's making it more inclusive. Thank you.

[3:34:52] Voice 11: That's pretty important

[3:34:53] Voice 13: here. I'm not sure it was well.

[3:34:57] Voice 13: Well, he needs to sell

[3:34:58] Voice 3: it out. Yeah,

[3:35:00] Voice 13: mind you, this is not a simple motion.

[3:35:08] Voice 13: either

[3:35:08] Voice 11: way it would either way

[3:35:10] Voice 13: yeah

[3:35:11] Voice 11: thanks for coming

[3:35:12] Voice 11: because

[3:35:13] Voice 13: you didn't actually replace the bylaw well we didn't

[3:35:19] Voice 13: well i

[3:35:22] Voice 11: think they're gonna add that yeah that's what needs to be fixed

[3:35:46] Voice 13: We

[3:35:46] Voice 6: haven't, we haven't yet made a motion to go in,

[3:35:49] Voice 6: so we'll need to do.

[3:35:51] Voice 6: So

[3:35:52] Voice 3: are you going

[3:35:52] Voice 11: to clean up?

[3:35:53] Voice 8: Yes.

[3:35:54] Voice 3: Okay,

[3:35:54] Voice 11: I'm getting right with that.

[3:35:56] Voice 3: You're

[3:35:56] Voice 11: going to leave us to do everything?

[3:35:58] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:35:58] Voice 11: Good.

[3:36:00] Voice 3: Now I've got the keys.

[3:36:02] Voice 3: Oh, my God.

[3:36:04] Voice 11: Maybe, yeah, close the door there.

[3:36:07] Voice 11: In camera.

[3:36:10] Voice 6: So the

[3:36:12] Voice 13: motion

[3:36:15] Voice 6: to go in camera, I'm just going to...

[3:36:17] Voice 6: We'll have to read that out and then...

[3:36:20] Voice 6: um uh

[3:36:22] Voice 11: remember to un uh unrecord if you haven't already yeah

[3:36:26] Voice 6: i think we do we still have the south

[3:36:29] Voice 6: office online i think yes

[3:36:30] Voice 2: i'm still here i will uh stop the or pause the recording when you make

[3:36:37] Voice 2: that motion okay

[3:36:38] Voice 6: so i've just put it in the chat if somebody could read that out please

[3:36:42] Voice 11: i'll make the motion that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community

[3:36:47] Voice 11: Charter Part 4 Division 3S91M for the purposes of considering a matter that under another

[3:36:58] Voice 11: enactment is such that the public may be excluded from the meeting.

[3:37:04] Voice 13: I second.

[3:37:05] Voice 6: Trustee Evans seconds.

[3:37:06] Voice 6: Any further discussion? No. All those in favor? I don't

[3:37:11] Voice 13: know what I just said. Close the meeting

[3:37:13] Voice 6: and that

[3:37:14] Voice 7: staff be required.

South Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Special Business Meeting 
June 3, 2023 ADOPTED Page 1 of 6 
 
South Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
June 3, 2023 
South Pender Fire Hall 
8961 Gowlland Point Road, South Pender Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 Kristina Evans, Local Trustee 
 Dag Falck, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Kim Stockdill, Island Planner  
 Lisa Millard, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately 20 members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 1:02 pm. She acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 6. Add Closed Meeting 
4. Change item 4.1 to the following: 
Scheduling an Electronic Special Meeting for review of special items.  
Re-number subsequent items on the Agenda. 
 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended. 
 
3. MINUTES 
3.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated May 5, 2023 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 
On page 3 of the minutes, item 6, paragraph 6 change Dennis Henshaw to Dennis Perch. 
 
On page 3 of the minutes, item 5, paragraph 1, second sentence remove words “and 
requested it be referred to the APC.” 
 
By general consent, the South Pender Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of  
A D O P T E D 

 
South Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Special Business Meeting 
June 3, 2023 ADOPTED Page 2 of 6 
May 5, 2023 were adopted as amended. 
 
4. BUSINESS ITEMS 
4.1  Scheduling an Electronic Special Meeting for review of special items. 
 Island Planner Stockdill noted the following: 
 The Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (MOTI) plans to begin work on 
repairs to “the dip” by early September 
 MOTI has requested to store materials on private property, which is located in the 
Agricultural Land Reserve (ALR) 
 The storage of materials is not a permitted use in the ALR therefore permits will be 
required 
 
SP-2023-026 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule an 
electronic special meeting for the following applications: SP-TUP-2023.1 and  
SP-ALR-2023.1. 
 
CARRIED 
4.2 South Pender Bylaw No. 123 - Project Update 
 Island Planner Stockdill reviewed the Staff Report and highlighted the following: 
 Proposed Bylaw 123 was sent to the Minster for approval in September, 2022 
 Chair Elliott received a letter from the Minster noting that the Local Trust 
Committee (LTC) had sought early engagement with First Nations regarding the 
bylaw however there had been no reply, therefore the LTC should consider 
revisiting the matter with local First Nations for the purpose of engaging in 
meaningful discussion 
 
Discussion ensued and Trustees noted that: 
 The LTC has a standing resolution regarding engagement with First Nations 
 Following a public hearing the LTC can not hear any further submissions from 
community members regarding a matter 
 Both the reconciliation, and siting guidelines, aspects of the bylaw deserves further, 
and separate, discussion 
 It is important to allow deep engagement and extended public process before 
moving bylaws through second and third readings 
SP-2023-027 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee proceed no further with the 
Minor Official Community Project and Proposed Bylaw No. 123. 
 
CARRIED 

 
South Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
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June 3, 2023 ADOPTED Page 3 of 6 
4.3 2023 – Work Program Discussion 
Trustees reviewed the May 5, 2023 Staff Report which summarized comments received 
from community members at the March 25, 2023 Community Information meeting, 
which was held, in part, to generate ideas for new LTC projects.  
Discussion ensued. 
It was noted that a significant amount of correspondence had been received regarding 
Bylaw 122. It was also noted that quite a bit of correspondence was received in the 
seven days prior to the meeting and while that correspondence is reviewed by Trustees 
it is not included in the meeting package due to staff time limitations. 
 
5. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
5.1 Future Projects Discussion  
It was clarified that the purpose of the meeting is to determine, with community input, 
what the next minor project will be. 
Members of the public made the following comments: 
 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded or altered. It has had the effect of making many 
properties legal non-conforming which has the potential to affect property 
insurance, restrict enjoyment of property, and the bylaw assumes community 
members will not be environmentally responsible 
 Reconciliation activities should be the next minor project. The Ministry has provided 
funding to move forward with First Nations engagement and relationship building 
and there are resources available and a framework which allows the LTC to do so.  
 Bylaw 122 should be re-visited as the resulting building setbacks caused significant 
community contention 
 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded and Bylaw 114 reinstated. It took two LTC terms, 
engagement with focus groups, and multiple hearings to reach an accord on Bylaw 
114 and then incoming Trustees opened it up and changed it. The speaker would 
also like to see further engagement with First Nations 
 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded. The bylaw attempted to address housing shortages 
by restricting short term vacation rentals (STVRs), but the bylaw has not had an 
impact on housing. Accommodations options are in demand and the LTC should not 
regulate how people use their home. There are also issues with the bylaw in relation 
to water storage and waterfront setbacks 
 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded. House size maximums and building footprints 
should be re-discussed 
 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded. It resulted in many homes becoming legally non-
conforming 
 Bylaw 122 should not be rescinded. There have not been issues with people getting 
variances since it has passed and re-opening it will create further divisiveness. The 
LTC should focus on forest management and water 

 
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 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded. It has resulted in community members feeling that 
their homes are legal non-conforming which can affect home values and resale 
prices. The entire Islands Trust policy needs to look at First Nations reconciliation, 
and not just within the policies of South Pender Island 
 First Nations reconciliation and engagement needs to be driven by Islands Trust 
policy, but there are also local issues that the community needs to be involved with 
 Trustee Falck noted that a Trust Policy statement is presently being worked 
on and will be available for public review in approximately six months 
 Bylaw 122 should not be rescinded. There are misperceptions and division within 
the community. There were specific steps taken to ensure that existing housing 
would not be considered legal non-conforming. Efforts were made to safeguard land 
coverage during a population surge, and new larger homes that are too close to 
property lines can negatively impact neighbors. Instead of rescinding the bylaw 
during a housing crisis, consideration should be given to finding a mechanism to 
look at housing sizes tied to options such as secondary suites 
 Bylaw 122 needs to be rescinded or discussed at length. The bylaw could affect 
inheritances as well as a community member’s ability to rebuild their home if it 
were destroyed by fire. Freedom of choice is being affected 
 Bylaw 122 should be revisited. The specific one size fits all setback, and water, 
regulations do not make sense for every property. Decisions should be made on an 
objective, science based, view and a case-by-case basis for what is appropriate for a 
particular lot 
 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded. The community discussion regarding the bylaw was 
incomplete and rushed, in part due to COVID gathering restrictions. Bylaw 122 
makes existing houses legal non-conforming. Each insurance underwriter is going to 
evaluate and look at it differently 
 The Chair requested the Planner clarify the conforming versus non-
conforming issue. The Planner stated that if a Bylaw is amended then use 
and siting are protected under the Local Government Act. The previous LTC 
took a step further by including a clause that a house can be rebuilt in the 
exact location, at the same size as previous, even if this is not conforming to 
current land use bylaw 
 Bylaw 122 needs to be revisited. Bylaw 114 went through a six-year period of 
discussion and focus groups which resulted in stringent building restrictions. Bylaw 
114 should not have been re-opened 
 There needs to be consideration of how Bylaw 122 affects community members 
that bought property when the previous bylaw was in place but who have not built 
yet 
 Bylaw 122 should not be rescinded. There are many people who believe that the 
bylaw has merit, but they are disengaged with the discussion. There is a mechanism 
in place for community members to get approval for non-compliant plans and there 
needs to be a process put in place to better communicate and explain the bylaw 
 Trustee Falck noted that the meeting is being held to discuss work projects, 
and if community members are indicating that rescinding Bylaw 122 is a 
priority then they are giving voice to what they want the next work project 
to be. Everyone had the opportunity to attend and state what they want the 
priority to be 

 
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 Bylaw 122 should not be rescinded. There should be further engagement to help 
community members understand the bylaw. There is pressure to build larger homes 
and new buyers often want to build larger homes. Discussion should focus on 
guidelines to encourage water conservation and use of solar power 
 We are living on unceded First Nations territory where there are historic and treaty 
rights, and the community needs to be welcoming to the presence of First Nations 
peoples. The community has responsibility to protect the health of the shoreline 
and focus should be on increasing awareness of First Nations historic presence and 
improving relationships. The Trustees need to bring the community together, in a 
safe environment, to clarify the issues and work together to find solutions 
 Bylaw 122 should not be rescinded. Further discussion is needed and if the 
community is not involved then there is not opportunity to change. If there is 
opportunity for discussion, and effort made within a group to talk about the issues, 
then it will be easier for everyone to relate to other’s concerns 
 Bylaw 122 needs to be the minor project. It was designed for a one size fits all 
process that is not working. The development variance permit process takes time 
and costs money, and one should be allowed to build a larger house. It is not a 
solution to say a community member can be allowed to build a larger house only if 
part of the house is a solution to the housing crisis. This forces the homeowner to 
become a landlord 
 The community needs to understand what protections are already in place  and how 
to respect the land for themselves and for others 
 Since Bylaw 122 was put in place there have only been two applications made for a 
development variance permit. This does not mean that the bylaw has not caused 
any problems bur rather there have not been any problems yet 
 Bylaw 122 should be rescinded and Bylaw 114 reinstated. We were not presented 
with data or technical reasons for the changes in Bylaw 122 
 Bylaw 122 should be discussed. Bylaw 114 was not ideal, and Bylaw 122 is not the 
path forward either. Further discussion and workshops would be welcome, and 
Trustees need to find a community consensus 
 Bylaw 122 should be revisited but not rescinded. A lot of work was done with 
compromises made, and further analysis and dialogue is needed to identify the 
problems and create solutions to fix them 
 
The Trustees thanked everyone for providing their input and discussion ensued. 
The LTC noted that the following resolution was to demonstrate the intent of the LTC to 
move forward with reviewing the changes made under Bylaw 122. 
 
SP-2023-028 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the South Pender Local Trust Committee repeal Bylaw 122. 
 
CARRIED 
 
  

 
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SP-2023-029 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the minor project for the South Pender Local Trust Committee is to conduct 
further community engagement on the 2021 Land Use Bylaw Amendments 
Project and the staff be requested to prepare a report with options for the next 
Local Trust Committee meeting in September 2023. 
 
CARRIED 
 
6. CLOSED MEETING 
 6.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
SP-2023-030 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3 s. 90(1) (m) for the purpose of considering a matter 
that, under another enactment, is such that the public may be excluded from 
the meeting.” 
CARRIED 
 
  Chair Elliott recessed the regular meeting at 4:35 pm. 
 
6.2 Recall to Order 
 Chair Elliott reconvened the regular meeting at 5:13pm 
 
6.3 Rise and Report 
 Nothing to rise and report, discussion only. 
 
7. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 5:14 pm. 
 
 
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Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
Certified Correct:  
 
 
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Lisa Millard, Recorder