Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 25, 2023

[0:00:12] Voice 3: good morning everybody thank

[0:00:16] Voice 9: you for joining us today and for this regular meeting of the denman

[0:00:18] island local trust committee i want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we are fortunate to

[0:00:23] be able to gather today in locations across the territory of the wholesale speedway i'm david

[0:00:27] odd black and i'm the main island chair of the denman trust committee i'm joined today by denman

[0:00:32] island local president david graham who's at warwick uh together we make up the denman local

[0:00:37] trust committee this meeting is being live streamed and recorded those

[0:00:41] Voice 9: who are enabled

[0:00:42] Voice 9: with the university today the recording will also be posted to the island's website for future

[0:00:48] Voice 9: website future viewing this is that members joining us today we have renee from our region

[0:00:55] planning manager uh uh vicky is our dinner taker chadrick is our island planner um planner stephan

[0:01:04] boo will join us later on by zoom and also steph the director of planning

[0:01:09] Voice 9: services will be joining

[0:01:11] Voice 9: us later runs in also um this meeting is sufficient for him to make decisions about land use planning

[0:01:17] matters

[0:01:17] Voice 9: and discuss relevant business i want to add this to place employment despite the fact

[0:01:22] Voice 9: many staff members are in their own homes our staff great to see and respectable workplace

[0:01:27] so we start off by approving the agenda as circulated um does anybody have any additions

[0:01:35] to the agenda all right so by consent we will adopt the agenda um

[0:01:42] rice report we don't have a rising report because

[0:01:44] Voice 9: we've accidentally last

[0:01:45] Voice 9: we've already risen and reported um so we start off the trustee reports who wants to be the first

[0:01:53] Voice 9: thing sure sure yeah so we there's obviously a lot of things in this agenda today so we're going to

[0:02:03] Voice 9: be looking forward to getting important to those things uh in terms of what's happened in recent

[0:02:10] Voice 9: time we had uh trust council uh on gabriela um which was really wonderful it's really good to

[0:02:16] meet with fellow trustees in person um and uh and online which is really important i

[0:02:22] Voice 9: feel um

[0:02:27] Voice 9: was at a steering committee meeting for the babes sound lever channel eco forum yesterday

[0:02:32] Voice 9: today, which is really great. I've been invited to join that as a member of the steering committee.

[0:02:37] Voice 9: And so talking about it's a really incredible forum for discussing all things that have to

[0:02:43] Voice 9: do with the water around our islands. And yeah, it's really great to get to meet some of the other

[0:02:53] Voice 9: members of that body. I

[0:03:02] Voice 9: had some notes from that, but it was a very good meeting. It was

[0:03:04] Voice 9: really be able to sort of get a sense of um what that body is doing and uh yeah that's about all

[0:03:13] Voice 9: i've got i think so thanks um i'll

[0:03:16] Voice 6: just add to

[0:03:16] Voice 9: that sound i did meet with the communications

[0:03:19] Voice 9: members of the trust the trust staff with uh um jillian i'll ask for your last name

[0:03:29] And they did bring some

[0:03:37] Voice 6: brochures, which I put on the table at the back there, just some

[0:03:41] Voice 6: information, general information about the trust, information about the conservancy,

[0:03:46] and a fact

[0:03:47] Voice 9: sheet with some important Denman Island properties.

[0:03:50] Voice 9: So that's how I ended up with the project.

[0:03:57] Voice 9: I also

[0:03:57] Voice 6: want to take this opportunity to get on the record, to answer a question that was

[0:04:02] Voice 6: posted, I think it was posted on social media, but the Density Bank, what that

[0:04:08] Voice 9: is, the Density

[0:04:09] Voice 9: Bank, okay, so I'm going to tell you what it is, it'll be entered into the record, it's

[0:04:16] Voice 9: the record of the meeting, and the next time we meet we'll approve that, and then it's

[0:04:21] Voice 9: It's there

[0:04:22] Voice 6: in black and white.

[0:04:23] Voice 6: So trustee Louise Bell, trustee David Graham,

[0:04:27] Voice 6: and our chair, Rose, last name,

[0:04:30] Voice 6: I don't remember the name,

[0:04:32] Voice 6: remember the community that I can't remember her name.

[0:04:35] Voice 6: She was a lovely lady,

[0:04:36] Voice 6: but three of us were represented

[0:04:38] Voice 6: with the other global government at the time.

[0:04:41] Voice 6: We asked staff to count the number of residential densities,

[0:04:47] Voice 6: that's just a fancy name for saying,

[0:04:49] Voice 6: you know, you can build a house,

[0:04:50] Voice 6: some

[0:04:50] Voice 9: piece of land installed with residential density that had been removed from land which

[0:04:57] Voice 9: through rezoning had become sold

[0:04:59] Voice 6: for conservation department so when you take a piece of land and

[0:05:03] Voice 6: put it in a house you rezone it to conservation you can't build a house on it anymore that density

[0:05:09] Voice 6: can either disappear or we also asked staff to calculate five percent all the residential parcels

[0:05:19] Voice 9: they could have houses at the time that we asked staff don't ask you the date that would have been

[0:05:27] Voice 9: five 2006 something like that and at the time there are about 987

[0:05:33] Voice 6: something like that

[0:05:34] Voice 6: pieces of property on them that could have us so we asked that to add five percent of that number

[0:05:40] Voice 6: to the number of houses that could have been built on lands had they not been rezoned

[0:05:44] Voice 6: that became our bank we

[0:05:48] Voice 9: use that bank um to use uh but we use

[0:05:54] Voice 6: that bank to

[0:05:55] Voice 6: give to applications which look after affordable housing or special needs housing so that that five

[0:06:04] Voice 6: percent comes from an official community plan policy it's just it's right in our rules that says

[0:06:11] Voice 6: says we can allow the density of demand to increase up to 5% for affordable housing or

[0:06:18] Voice 6: special needs. And because we cleverly grabbed those disappeared densities, we added that

[0:06:24] Voice 6: to our bank. That's how the bank became. We embedded that data in the official community

[0:06:31] plan and it's attached at

[0:06:33] Voice 9: the back of the community plan. And I'm not the chair, but

[0:06:37] Voice 9: the chair there's a hand raised

[0:06:38] Voice 9: this is my report this is an opportunity for you to speak

[0:06:46] Voice 10: i'm just wondering how that five percent was established and

[0:06:51] Voice 9: that's the question sir

[0:06:52] Voice 9: well i did the community did when they when they

[0:06:58] Voice 6: uh rewrote the official community plan

[0:07:00] Voice 6: and the land use pilot back in the mid-1990s i believe the community spent an enormous amount

[0:07:05] Voice 6: of time drafting official community plan amendments to the plan that existed before

[0:07:10] Voice 6: and one of the things they added was this five percent so okay

[0:07:13] Voice 10: do you even know how that number

[0:07:15] Voice 10: was established i think that's

[0:07:18] Voice 9: how it was you

[0:07:18] Voice 10: didn't know how the number was established i

[0:07:21] Voice 10: think that's important to know that number

[0:07:23] Voice 10: was

[0:07:25] Voice 9: pulled out of the air okay that's

[0:07:28] Voice 9: what i went

[0:07:28] Voice 9: that was

[0:07:28] Voice 10: based

[0:07:30] Voice 9: on anything other than that okay thank you okay thanks for that history lesson

[0:07:37] Voice 9: it's important to know where we've been so we know where we're going so

[0:07:42] most important okay from the perspective of i think the main thing's happening

[0:07:49] Voice 9: as many of you know is our governance review um we have the governance committee

[0:07:57] Voice 3: Okay, we're doing our best to get the manager started.

[0:08:04] Voice 3: There

[0:08:04] Voice 9: are some chairs closer to us too.

[0:08:08] Voice 9: Yeah, there's a nice table here. Don't be shy.

[0:08:26] Voice 9: Thank you all right you have the skill set in the room to make things right okay so what

[0:08:35] made things happen with the trust is small is the government's

[0:08:39] Voice 9: review we have a government

[0:08:40] Voice 9: committee they're they're making steady progress um as is all things that are island's trust it

[0:08:48] Voice 9: takes time um time and patience is the the most important thing and they are taking their time

[0:08:55] Voice 9: and they're doing some really excellent work uh i believe we're going to see the first set

[0:09:00] Voice 9: of recommendations from september um and the other thing that's going to be happening in september

[0:09:06] Voice 9: is a year ago there was a request for the province

[0:09:10] Voice 9: to do a broad review of the Trust

[0:09:14] Voice 9: and how they saw us. In September

[0:09:18] Voice 9: last year, the Minister wrote and said, thank you for your

[0:09:22] Voice 9: input. I would like to wait until the election, which was

[0:09:25] Voice 9: on the doorstep, and when the new Trust Council is elected

[0:09:29] Voice 9: we'd like to hear back from them to see if their thoughts align with this

[0:09:33] Voice 9: this request well that comes back to our table in september so the trust council as a whole will be

[0:09:40] Voice 9: reviewing that request for the process for a review and we'll be voting on how we want to

[0:09:45] Voice 9: proceed with that i think there's a fairly strong wish to continue but we'll see what the trust as

[0:09:52] Voice 9: a whole says um otherwise if devon has been occupying my thoughts very much the last couple

[0:09:58] Voice 9: the weeks um we've had foster feedback we've heard lots of stuff our trustees have heard lots of

[0:10:05] Voice 9: things and i'm sure in the next few minutes in the next thing that we have is our public

[0:10:12] Voice 9: participation process we'll hear from you um i just want to assure you that we're listening

[0:10:19] Voice 9: we understand we know and and we're hopefully going to make the decisions that work for the

[0:10:24] Voice 9: community so thank you very much so given that we're going to go to our public participation

[0:10:30] Voice 9: process typically speaking it's two to three minutes um we ask if you raise your hand to get

[0:10:37] Voice 9: picked um just identify yourself for the minute taker take your time i'm not sitting with a

[0:10:46] Voice 9: stopwatch

[0:10:46] Voice 4: try and moderate yourself to two to three minutes because i think there's a few people

[0:10:51] Voice 4: want to speak but we'd like to hear from you so who wants to be first

[0:10:54] Voice 3: right thank you i think my

[0:11:02] Voice 5: mascot for that but it's a

[0:11:04] Voice 10: i'm bringing home i would like to add a comment to density

[0:11:11] Voice 9: bank is

[0:11:12] Voice 9: that there are people who have donated to the density bank the conservancy and conservation

[0:11:19] Voice 9: efforts they could hold and in fact in the settlement lands they do hold two downstairs

[0:11:24] Voice 9: So there's, as a result of the conservation we've done,

[0:11:29] Voice 9: there is added housing and I would like recognition

[0:11:32] Voice 9: for conservancy and people who've donated.

[0:11:36] Voice 9: 15 of those donations went to

[0:11:38] Voice 10: co-housing.

[0:11:40] Voice 10: The reason co-housing can exist

[0:11:42] Voice 10: is they didn't have to buy that land

[0:11:43] Voice 10: or they could buy, they had to buy the land,

[0:11:46] Voice 10: but they had the density is already there.

[0:11:48] Voice 10: The

[0:11:48] Voice 9: density on that land otherwise was

[0:11:52] Voice 9: without any subdivision one so a recognition of this team and i think who needs to be part of that

[0:11:58] Voice 9: i

[0:11:59] Voice 10: i'm going to go back to april 4th when i asked i asked the trust committee to move forward on

[0:12:05] Voice 10: the three things and

[0:12:07] Voice 9: i as far as i understand now that we'll move forward on and i'm going to review

[0:12:11] Voice 9: those fairly quickly if i can i asked to pass a motion to the minister of transportation and the

[0:12:18] Voice 9: premier to create a separate ferry connecting Horthy Island and Vancouver Island to address

[0:12:23] Voice 9: the increasing traffic across them and on the BC Ferries plans to basically facilitate and the

[0:12:31] Voice 9: reason I did that as a local

[0:12:32] Voice 10: trust committee you have a much bigger voice than we do as individuals

[0:12:37] Voice 10: and you do as simple trustees and that was sidestepped because my understanding as you

[0:12:42] Voice 10: decided it was a

[0:12:43] Voice 9: non-starter um which is probably i'd rather not move forward on that the decisions

[0:12:51] Voice 9: are not made by um bc ferries bc ferries mandate is really focused they are moving vehicles and

[0:12:59] Voice 9: they'll do a little fringe around here and there but we've got all kinds of results from bc ferries

[0:13:05] Voice 9: is we need to go to the politicians to make the decision.

[0:13:09] Voice 9: Second, I ask for the motion urging the Islands Trust

[0:13:13] Voice 9: Executive Committee, I ask the Local Trust Committee

[0:13:17] Voice 9: to forward a motion to the Executive Trust Committee

[0:13:22] Voice 9: to protest the exclusion of the trust area,

[0:13:25] Voice 9: or to ask for the, sorry, to protest the exclusion

[0:13:31] Voice 9: of the trust area from the purchase of residential property

[0:13:35] Voice 9: by non-canadians it means that you have to have 100 000 people in your census in order to be able

[0:13:43] Voice 10: to say foreign buyers can't come in and so we're wide open right now and i did an order for the

[0:13:51] Voice 10: flagstone there are 16 houses that i found held by one

[0:13:55] Voice 9: corporation out of the united states who

[0:13:58] Voice 10: has

[0:13:58] Voice 9: a reputation for flipping houses and right now i'm late coming for the house for sale for

[0:14:03] Voice 9: for $1,028,000.

[0:14:06] Voice 9: And it's in my neighborhood.

[0:14:08] Voice 9: It's ALON and it's only 10 acres.

[0:14:10] Voice 9: And it's gonna go because the company is house flipping.

[0:14:14] Voice 9: That's their job.

[0:14:16] Voice 9: And they're one corporation that I found.

[0:14:18] Voice 9: So that went nowhere because from the minutes,

[0:14:24] Voice 9: the local trust committee decided that someone

[0:14:26] Voice 9: would raise that at the trust counts.

[0:14:28] Voice 9: Did anyone?

[0:14:30] Voice 9: No.

[0:14:31] Voice 9: and and so there we go uh the last

[0:14:34] Voice 9: one was reverse the policy where trustees remain anonymous

[0:14:39] Voice 9: in the meeting minutes and uh recorded me i want to see the mover and the second motion and how

[0:14:46] Voice 9: each trustee votes um if they are not unanimous because as i said when i looked at a minute from

[0:14:55] Voice 9: the april 4th meeting i was a member of the public i didn't have a my name's not

[0:15:01] Voice 10: even in it however

[0:15:03] Voice 10: you folks vote however whoever makes the motion we don't know if you're going to engage the community

[0:15:10] Voice 10: we need to know we need to go back

[0:15:12] Voice 9: to david and say i'm really pleased you passed that motion

[0:15:15] Voice 9: thank you um we need to be able to say i'm sorry that the local trust committee didn't follow up

[0:15:20] Voice 9: on what their requests do uh right now thank you thank you very much um the one i can just sort of

[0:15:31] Voice 9: touch on the minute part of things it's basically it's

[0:15:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): a broad trust policy um that we sort of make

[0:15:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): things a little bit more generic however if there's a vote where somebody votes contrary

[0:15:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): that

[0:15:45] Voice 9: vote can be recorded and oftentimes it is um i would like to think the three of us

[0:15:51] Voice 9: tend to vote in the same way so it's hard to pick somebody up for voting against because i don't

[0:15:57] Voice 9: think it's happened here yeah so um and but i would also given the engagement the name is raised

[0:16:04] Voice 9: when there's an opposition to a resolution that's passed otherwise whoever opposed is named

[0:16:11] Voice 9: in the minutes and the mover of the motion is no it's not just possible okay yes yes

[0:16:24] Voice 9: it's all you gotta get if you got a good voice we can hear you so

[0:16:27] Voice 9: i feel like i'm talking to people's back so okay that's fair enough all right so i'm here today to

[0:16:33] Voice 9: talk about housing my name is c um i'm a renter i've lived on denman for about 17 years uh and

[0:16:41] Voice 9: in that time i lived in nine different places um so i'm speaking from experience and i'm also

[0:16:47] Voice 9: i also happen to be one of the lucky ones because i have managed to find housing each time i've

[0:16:52] Voice 9: needed it um i'm involved with the denman housing association as well as the housing action group

[0:16:59] Voice 9: uh so to my knowledge there's been approximately 10 10 housing needs studies done over the last 20

[0:17:04] Voice 9: years and what i'd like to know is when are the bylaws and ocp going to be changed to reflect

[0:17:10] Voice 9: the results of all those studies what's the point of doing another needs assessment where nothing's

[0:17:15] Voice 9: been done about all the previous ones um with the system set up right now it is punishing

[0:17:21] Voice 9: most vulnerable members of our community and the people who are trying to help them

[0:17:27] Voice 9: it's unacceptable what we need is an overhaul of all the housing related bylaws and barriers

[0:17:33] Voice 9: and all barriers to people's human rights housing need to be abolished thank

[0:17:38] Voice 3: you

[0:17:44] Voice 3: That's the beginning of two. There we go.

[0:17:51] Voice 9: I'm going to stand up here in the middle and go ahead and slap everybody's back.

[0:17:56] Voice 9: Sorry, I'm going to be a little nervous. My name is

[0:17:58] Voice 9: Melanie Murray. I live here on Denman. I've got a couple of points to make today.

[0:18:03] Voice 9: I'm mostly here today to speak for what I see as

[0:18:06] Voice 9: the need for some tree protection on Denman and probably all of the

[0:18:10] Voice 9: Gulf Islands. It's becoming apparent that

[0:18:14] Voice 9: there needs to be some sort of protection for the trees on dead end i remember the impression that

[0:18:19] Voice 9: some provisions for tree protections were moving forward in the i guess the last round at the

[0:18:25] Voice 9: behest of trustee shaken but i understand that that is not moving forward perhaps because of

[0:18:31] Voice 9: what you spoke about the province is maybe going to look at that in september but i would really

[0:18:36] Voice 9: strongly encourage um everyone to really look at tree protection i think we've all seen what's

[0:18:41] Voice 9: happening on the north end of the island um you know it's a huge scar there's been i think it's

[0:18:46] Voice 9: over 100 acres of trees been removed for another vineyard which i think most people wouldn't agree

[0:18:51] Voice 9: as much as we may like wine and perhaps don't eat anymore at this moment in time might be different

[0:18:56] Voice 9: than this food but it's not it's vineyard and where is the water going to come from um you know

[0:19:02] Voice 9: we are currently in a climate emergency we're in a stage five drought we don't know when or if that

[0:19:07] Voice 9: will ever reverse and i think we should be doing all we can to not be adding to our added greenhouse

[0:19:12] Voice 9: gas emissions and slashing we're in agriculture it should be a thing of the past especially in

[0:19:18] Voice 9: a place that's hard itself from being sobering so i will be writing a letter to the executive

[0:19:22] Voice 9: for council but i hope you'll be willing to forward that agenda oh i'm sorry

[0:19:31] Voice 9: hey um also i would like to ask um what the procedure would be to implement a referendum

[0:19:40] Voice 9: to ask the resident for debt if as a

[0:19:43] Voice 9: group we would be willing to collectively fund

[0:19:46] Voice 9: a land acquisition fund to strictly be used for the sole purpose to purchase property for

[0:19:51] Voice 9: affordable housing similar to what was done with city west when they came in we were quickly asked

[0:19:57] Voice 9: as a group of residents you didn't have to be a homeowner or property owner you just had to live

[0:20:02] Voice 9: here were you willing to put on your tax bill for i think it was 10 years would be finances

[0:20:08] Voice 9: overwhelmingly people said yes people were okay with putting it on the bill i would like to be

[0:20:13] Voice 9: asked if we were okay with doing it to help our friends and neighbors who desperately need housing

[0:20:21] Voice 9: um and i i think it would help to possibly remove for-profit land development which when the densities

[0:20:27] Voice 9: get swapped to me it seems that when you can increase the available home space on one lot

[0:20:35] Voice 9: while giving a little

[0:20:36] Voice 9: bit to affordable housing we see the million dollar homes get built we don't

[0:20:40] Voice 9: see the affordable housing get built so

[0:20:42] Voice 3: i would like

[0:20:43] Voice 9: to hear the enterprise we don't even do

[0:20:45] Voice 9: something else and i would just kind of like to support what everyone else is saying we don't

[0:20:49] Voice 9: need another housing study that money could be much better spent supporting people who need

[0:20:54] Voice 9: housing and the people who are trying to help help them come

[0:20:57] Voice 9: into compliance thank you thank you very

[0:20:59] Voice 9: much

[0:21:00] Voice 5: well

[0:21:06] Voice 9: from the planning side of the table any comments about the poll for taxation

[0:21:13] Voice 8: um

[0:21:13] Voice 9: is that within our school oh

[0:21:15] Voice 8: yeah absolutely and um you know i mean i can speak a little bit

[0:21:18] Voice 8: more to the idea of a of a questionnaire because it's not it

[0:21:21] Voice 9: wouldn't be the traditional that

[0:21:22] Voice 9: you're used to um but that's the kind of question that we could put out there the kind of questions

[0:21:27] Voice 9: that the community wants answered so um that could be added to that thank you um

[0:21:37] Voice 10: i would like to

[0:21:39] Voice 10: second that absolutely city west got that done very quickly and very successfully and and obviously

[0:21:47] Voice 10: see their whole model is

[0:21:50] Voice 9: um is very effective and so i would suggest that we look at that

[0:21:56] Voice 9: as well of course i'm housing more desperately in your housing

[0:22:01] Voice 9: i'll give you a name mary give your name mary oh i'm sorry

[0:22:11] Voice 9: I strongly urge our trustees to do everything in their power to remove the barriers to housing.

[0:22:27] Voice 9: And there are many different ways to go at housing.

[0:22:31] Voice 9: housing. In my opinion, the

[0:22:36] Voice 10: quickest and easiest way, not excluding the others, but the quickest

[0:22:42] Voice 10: and easiest way is to remove

[0:22:45] Voice 9: bylaws that prevent housing. Remove the TUP and remove restrictions

[0:22:56] Voice 9: on secondary housing for whatever zoning you decide.

[0:23:02] Voice 9: At least everything zoned, everything two acres and above

[0:23:07] Voice 9: should automatically be allowed secondary housing.

[0:23:12] Voice 9: And just

[0:23:13] Voice 10: doing that would enable landowners

[0:23:17] Voice 10: to do what we want to do to provide housing

[0:23:22] Voice 10: for people who desperately need,

[0:23:24] Voice 10: even if you didn't do anything else,

[0:23:27] Voice 10: Those two things would open the door, and I know some people are afraid we could do that, and all of a sudden, all landowners are going to start feeling secondary householder overwhelm.

[0:23:43] Voice 10: That's not what's going to happen. Not all landowners who want to do this, but those probably minority landowners who want to do that.

[0:23:57] Voice 10: remove those things and

[0:23:59] Voice 9: we can go ahead right now without having to wait for all the other

[0:24:05] Voice 9: housing um initiatives which which you know need to go ahead as well but this is a quick thing this

[0:24:13] Voice 9: you know it would it would make a huge difference uh the last thing i want to point out from the

[0:24:19] Voice 9: minutes of or whatever meeting i'm looking at at the end the discussion of a town hall meeting

[0:24:31] Voice 9: i'm still waiting to hear about that did i miss it it's going to happen okay i'm looking forward to

[0:24:37] Voice 9: that um okay so the other the other thing was

[0:24:45] Voice 10: nancy bank you were

[0:24:46] Voice 9: talking about david um there's

[0:24:50] Voice 9: a note here that says it's not correct and needs updating in the standard resolutions report and

[0:24:57] Voice 9: elsewhere and um and i'm just bringing that up from previous meetings and

[0:25:05] Voice 8: hoping that that's

[0:25:06] Voice 8: whatever it is it's going to be corrected personally i think i'm glad that you mentioned

[0:25:12] Voice 8: the density bank you

[0:25:13] Voice 9: give the history of it because i've been thinking that this is this

[0:25:18] Voice 9: is a barrier density bank is a barrier to alternating misunderstandings

[0:25:24] Voice 9: i see it as a barrier for affordable housing thank you

[0:25:36] Voice 9: you're going to be addressing the quick fix issues

[0:25:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): yeah yeah

[0:25:41] Voice 9: i'm making those yeah so so

[0:25:43] Voice 9: So when Planner Chadwick makes her presentation,

[0:25:45] Voice 9: that topic will be touched upon.

[0:25:48] Voice 9: Next up.

[0:25:52] Voice 9: My

[0:25:52] Voice 10: name is Sherry Williams.

[0:25:54] Voice 10: I'm one of the people that are affected

[0:25:56] Voice 10: by no housing on the island.

[0:25:59] Voice 10: I've

[0:25:59] Voice 5: raised my kids

[0:26:00] Voice 10: here since 96.

[0:26:03] Voice 10: Once they were old enough, I had to,

[0:26:06] Voice 10: I lived in over 14 places with my kids

[0:26:09] Voice 10: when I was raising them

[0:26:10] Voice 10: because houses kept being rented out for more or sold.

[0:26:16] Voice 10: And I ended up living in a school bus when my kids got old enough.

[0:26:20] Voice 10: And friends, you know, they let me do that,

[0:26:23] Voice 10: but they're not allowed to do that.

[0:26:26] Voice 10: And, you know, people feel bad for helping people.

[0:26:29] Voice 10: I worked at the store for 11 1⁄2 years.

[0:26:32] Voice 10: Before that, I worked at the restaurants for five, six years.

[0:26:37] Voice 10: Did volunteering.

[0:26:38] Voice 9: I did the pack.

[0:26:39] Voice 9: I did the cleaning hall.

[0:26:40] Voice 9: I can't live on here anymore. There's nowhere

[0:26:42] Voice 9: for me to live. There's no

[0:26:44] Voice 10: people that can work at the store anymore because

[0:26:47] Voice 10: there's no housing. Nobody

[0:26:49] Voice 10: can work in the 30s because there's no housing.

[0:26:51] Voice 10: Nobody can work in the

[0:26:52] Voice 10: cafes because there's no housing.

[0:26:56] Voice 10: There's nobody like me

[0:26:57] Voice 10: to work here because there's nowhere

[0:26:59] Voice 10: for us to live. And our

[0:27:01] Voice 10: kids want to live here and they want to keep

[0:27:03] Voice 10: doing what I did, but they can't.

[0:27:06] Voice 10: So we need a change. We really

[0:27:08] Voice 10: need a change. We've been

[0:27:09] Voice 10: saying this for the whole time i've been living here i feel like i'm repeating myself over and

[0:27:14] Voice 10: over and over again

[0:27:15] Voice 9: but please give me something i

[0:27:20] Voice 3: need you thank you very much

[0:27:27] Voice 3: questions i just had a brief comment

[0:27:31] Voice 9: on mary's question that the trust can

[0:27:37] Voice 6: support more housing

[0:27:40] But

[0:27:42] Voice 6: I would like to see the trust, lean more towards local development, homegrown solutions and government funding.

[0:27:50] Voice 9: And all

[0:27:51] Voice 6: the mess that

[0:27:53] Voice 9: we have to say.

[0:27:59] Voice 9: Anybody else?

[0:28:02] Voice 3: Oh, right in the back.

[0:28:10] Voice 3: It's certainly very hot in here.

[0:28:13] Voice 9: I'm glad.

[0:28:13] Voice 9: I'm wearing it.

[0:28:16] Voice 9: Hi, Chesapeake.

[0:28:17] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:28:18] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:28:21] Voice 9: My

[0:28:21] Voice 10: name is Nikki.

[0:28:23] Voice 9: I live here on Devon.

[0:28:24] Voice 9: It's a privilege to be able to live here on Devon, but I don't take lightly.

[0:28:30] Voice 9: I've lived a lot of other places, in cities mostly.

[0:28:32] Voice 9: and it's devastating to hear children i work in the local community education society doing

[0:28:43] Voice 9: after school programs with summer camp programs and i hear children worried about what's going

[0:28:51] Voice 8: to happen when it rains next because their house doesn't protect them from the rain and then what's

[0:28:56] Voice 8: going to happen to their parents when their parents are stressed out that the rain's getting

[0:29:00] Voice 8: in their house so our children age five are telling me that things are happening that are

[0:29:08] Voice 8: scaring them that are stressing them out my life before

[0:29:11] Voice 9: coming to devon i was a social worker

[0:29:12] Voice 9: frontline protection child care child protection worker sorry everyone i learned how horrible that

[0:29:19] Voice 9: was but

[0:29:21] Voice 8: what i witnessed is when people are under stress when people are under stress from infants

[0:29:27] Voice 8: to old people we tend to become what's called dysregulated and we are

[0:29:33] Voice 9: not able to function

[0:29:35] Voice 9: at our full capacity this room is full of like genius human beings like genius human beings who

[0:29:44] Voice 9: make miracles happen every day but under duress we

[0:29:48] Voice 8: become less and we become less as a collective

[0:29:51] Voice 8: and what happens to that is we are easily bulldozed over but

[0:29:55] Voice 9: not this group actually

[0:29:58] Voice 7: I've heard people for 20

[0:30:00] Voice 7: years coming and saying the same things and people who have raised their children to adulthood

[0:30:04] Voice 7: are still

[0:30:05] Voice 9: saying the same things and absolutely the solutions that work for cities the solutions

[0:30:11] Voice 9: that work for larger populations don't work here they don't work here and people have been saying

[0:30:17] Voice 9: it very very clearly so the health of our community is based in our housing that's why

[0:30:23] Voice 9: i wear this housing first because if you don't have a safe place to be if you don't have a safe

[0:30:28] Voice 9: a place to take care of yourself, if you don't have a safe place to cook your food, to take a

[0:30:31] Voice 9: dump, you're under duress. And when that is happening all day, every day, because you're

[0:30:37] Voice 9: insecurely close, you become

[0:30:39] Voice 9: dysfunctional because of the oppression that's happening,

[0:30:43] Voice 9: because you can't find a place to be where you want to be. So then you have to go somewhere

[0:30:49] Voice 9: that's your second or third or 10th choice. And it just progressively becomes worse. So this is

[0:30:55] Voice 9: actual harm that's being perpetrated on our community as a result of bylaws and community

[0:31:01] Voice 9: plans that are written and enacted by government bodies that are not residing here and it's

[0:31:08] Voice 9: harmful so that's just what i wanted to share thank you very much for your time i appreciate it

[0:31:20] Voice 10: to someone

[0:31:23] Voice 9: excuse me my

[0:31:25] Voice 10: name is joy joy

[0:31:27] Voice 9: um

[0:31:29] Voice 10: um

[0:31:43] Voice 9: I've been talking to quite a few people lately at the market and things like that, and I

[0:31:48] Voice 9: observed that there's a lot of parents and grandparents

[0:31:55] Voice 10: whose children, kids, left home

[0:31:59] Voice 10: after they graduated from school which and they went out there and they did stuff and then they

[0:32:04] Voice 10: reach a point where they want to move back to their childhood home like it's very common i think

[0:32:09] Voice 10: that people young people move away and then they come back that's a tough story um so yes those

[0:32:19] Voice 10: people that that would come would hide like family members that had lived here in the past

[0:32:25] Voice 10: and grew up in the past people like sherry and the

[0:32:29] Voice 9: other woman i told you remember i told you about

[0:32:32] Voice 9: the woman named jules who does a whiskey creek and works here and she is under what uh mickey

[0:32:41] Voice 9: was just talking about she barely functions she can just drive between those two places

[0:32:45] Voice 9: that town let me say yes and some of these people may want to be able to house their

[0:32:54] Voice 9: elderly parents who come from from somewhere else so you know but i think that most of the newcomers

[0:33:02] Voice 9: wouldn't really be new families thank you

[0:33:08] Voice 3: we have two in the back so the one standing please

[0:33:19] Voice 10: my name is Claudia I grew up in Germany I've been in Canada for 29 years I did not

[0:33:25] Voice 10: face housing

[0:33:26] Voice 10: insecurity in Germany because the house that I grew up in is a class family I've been in that

[0:33:32] Voice 10: family for generations but since living in Canada I've lived in a trailer with no services

[0:33:38] Voice 10: I have been homeless I have been a roommate I have been a renter I did become an owner

[0:33:44] Voice 10: and i have been an owner on denver since 2018. my house

[0:33:49] Voice 10: is currently for sale i considered becoming

[0:33:52] Voice 10: a landlord but due to the unique nature of my house in my financial situation i wasn't able to

[0:33:58] Voice 10: meet that carbon most of my people couldn't afford to rent the house while it's for sale

[0:34:03] Voice 10: i even considered sharing and that also wasn't possible again for the same limitations it's a

[0:34:09] Voice 10: It's a big draft house and it takes a lot of heat.

[0:34:11] Voice 10: So I kind of lived in a kitchen for a bit.

[0:34:16] Voice 10: As my house is for sale, I don't know where I'm going to go.

[0:34:19] Voice 10: I know that I will be a renter again.

[0:34:22] Voice 10: So this issue is definitely top of mind for me.

[0:34:26] Voice 10: I want to follow up on Nikki because I have the same thoughts.

[0:34:31] Voice 10: Access to safe and affordable housing is a basic human need.

[0:34:37] Voice 10: Massive recycling has tired of needs.

[0:34:39] Voice 10: needs. You don't have that, you cannot flourish at the end of the year. And there

[0:34:44] Voice 10: is an impact

[0:34:45] Voice 10: on children, and Nikki, you touched on this. We think if we close the doors as adults and

[0:34:50] Voice 10: have those tough conversations that our kids don't know, but they know because they pick

[0:34:54] Voice 10: up our anxieties from our nervous system. And so not having a housing accessible becomes

[0:35:02] Voice 10: an issue for generations, and it is a mental health thing that comes with that. So the

[0:35:10] Voice 10: message that we then send to people in the community basically is you're not worth it,

[0:35:16] Voice 10: you're not valuable, and you're not enough to be considered. I don't think we want to send that

[0:35:22] Voice 10: message. And as Mili

[0:35:24] Voice 10: said, you know, there's more to a community than protecting environment and

[0:35:30] Voice 10: bylaws. We also have

[0:35:32] Voice 10: to ask ourselves where they came from and whose needs they cry, right? If

[0:35:38] Voice 10: It's people are not, we are individuals,

[0:35:42] Voice 10: but there is a dynamic to the environment

[0:35:44] Voice 10: that allows us to flourish or not.

[0:35:47] Voice 10: And that is something that we need to take into consideration.

[0:35:50] Voice 10: And Sherry, you touched on it.

[0:35:52] Voice 10: The reality is, we see Paris County staff to vote.

[0:35:55] Voice 10: Jen put off a Facebook post today

[0:35:58] Voice 10: and desperately looking for staff.

[0:36:00] Voice 10: And I offered to pick up a shift here and there

[0:36:02] Voice 10: to keep the store open.

[0:36:04] Voice 10: But those are real things.

[0:36:06] Voice 10: So the community is changing.

[0:36:07] Voice 10: And I want to thank you, Melanie, because it also came to my mind, you know, there's

[0:36:14] Voice 10: mixed messages being said.

[0:36:15] Voice 10: There's 7

[0:36:16] Voice 10: ,500 square foot houses that I've done and I'm putting on additions on this

[0:36:20] Voice 10: island for two people.

[0:36:22] Voice 10: There's 140 acres is what I have on the North Island, but then there's no affordable housing

[0:36:31] Voice 10: available.

[0:36:32] Voice 10: That was some mixed messages.

[0:36:33] Voice 10: And again, it goes back to not worth it, not valuable, not enough.

[0:36:38] Voice 10: And

[0:36:39] Voice 9: I think we

[0:36:39] Voice 10: have a moral and ethical obligation to tell our fellow humans that they are all

[0:36:47] Voice 10: worth it, valuable, and enough.

[0:36:49] Voice 10: And housing has a huge impact on mental health.

[0:36:54] Voice 10: And so unless we got government funding, maybe there is some out-of-the-box thinking on working

[0:37:01] Voice 10: with different ministries to get funding.

[0:37:03] Voice 10: from a mental health

[0:37:06] Voice 10: perspective yes yes and then also i also wanted to find out out of the box

[0:37:12] Voice 10: thinking so i know that one of the limitation with density is sewage treatment in europe in

[0:37:21] Voice 10: england for example in rural areas they allow about ground sewage tanks so things are super

[0:37:28] Voice 10: efficient, highly effective. Their environmental regulations are a lot more stringent than here.

[0:37:34] Voice 10: It doesn't require environmental disturbance or soil in order to make that big field,

[0:37:40] Voice 10: right? It's not currently authorized here in Canada, but yeah, there is solutions that are

[0:37:47] Voice 10: available that currently have posing limitations on expansion or housing opportunities that should

[0:37:55] Voice 10: that should be considered.

[0:37:56] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:37:58] Voice 3: I love

[0:37:59] Voice 10: y'all.

[0:38:00] Voice 3: That's fantastic.

[0:38:10] Voice 9: Thank you very much.

[0:38:13] Voice 9: You got a letter from some

[0:38:16] Voice 9: Devon Islanders regarding

[0:38:17] Voice 9: the cross island

[0:38:20] Voice 9: traffic between the ferries

[0:38:23] Voice 9: and I feel

[0:38:24] Voice 9: it's

[0:38:27] Voice 9: unsafe for people who live here

[0:38:29] Voice 9: and it goes against the

[0:38:30] Voice 9: demo or the island's trust mandate to preserve and protect so i think that the local trust

[0:38:38] Voice 9: committee should make some statement in support of the many islanders who are looking to pressure

[0:38:45] Voice 9: these fairies to make it very different i feel it's part of your man

[0:38:50] Voice 3: thank you

[0:38:56] Voice 9: did we we did get an email from mr brazier talking about a previous

[0:39:02] Voice 9: study and letter that was sent to BC Ferries, we don't have that. So if anybody has it sitting

[0:39:09] Voice 9: somewhere in a file somewhere, I'm sure we're interested in endorsing it, but we need to see it.

[0:39:16] Voice 9: There was a whole package of information that was sent to BC Ferries. I mean,

[0:39:19] Voice 9: that's real transportation infrastructure. Yeah, but the most recent letter that Graham

[0:39:27] Voice 9: right here just sent to you a few days ago why don't we know that well we have we have the email

[0:39:31] Voice 9: but we don't we don't have the the one who's speaking out the documents all the things that

[0:39:37] Voice 9: you referred to yes

[0:39:38] Voice 9: because i i i would suggest we're probably interested in endorsing that

[0:39:43] Voice 9: but until we see it okay that's really good yeah yeah so so we'd like to see it because i'm sure

[0:39:50] Voice 9: sure that we're very supportive of it but we need we need it okay perfect

[0:39:55] Voice 5: anybody else

[0:39:56] Voice 3: my

[0:40:07] Voice 5: name is rianne silva

[0:40:09] Voice 10: um i'm just here as a person i'm not here in any official capacity

[0:40:13] Voice 10: i'm just wearing my rianne hat um so i first got involved in trying to do something for housing

[0:40:21] Voice 10: for dead men back in 2002 my daughter amelia who's this tall now was this small she sat in

[0:40:29] Voice 10: corner she had a meeting bag that she's a she was a year and a half old to two and a half years old

[0:40:36] Voice 10: we spent a year going to meetings to fix housing on denman uh that was 20 years ago she now uh is

[0:40:44] Voice 10: traveling the world while she was here she was one of the teachers at the preschool um her entire

[0:40:50] Voice 10: life was lived in housing

[0:40:52] Voice 9: insecurity i

[0:40:54] Voice 10: have a 14 year old whose entire life has been in housing

[0:40:58] Voice 10: insecurity. And that's not my fault.

[0:41:01] Voice 9: I've done everything I can. How many times do we go around

[0:41:07] Voice 9: the block? How do we get people to hear what we're saying? 20 years. This is generational trauma.

[0:41:18] Voice 9: My children have learned that the world is not safe. My children, and that's not my fault,

[0:41:25] Voice 9: My children have learned that their home is not something they can trust.

[0:41:31] Voice 9: Like what Mickey was talking about, the effect on people.

[0:41:37] Voice 9: These things take time, but 20 years is too long.

[0:41:41] Voice 9: These are my children's lives.

[0:41:44] Voice 9: People say that I didn't make the right choices because we're blamed for a capitalist situation.

[0:41:54] Voice 9: situation. We're blamed. The Islands Trust documentation says preserving and protecting

[0:42:00] Voice 9: island communities. You're not doing it. You're missing the mark. You're not here in the community.

[0:42:08] Voice 9: These are our children. These are our elders. There's so many elders living in housing insecurity

[0:42:14] Voice 9: right now. These are our community. We care. If your reports do not reflect us, they are invalid.

[0:42:24] Voice 9: valid you are engaging in systemic oppression please look at the fact that these are human

[0:42:30] Voice 9: beings these are our children our us our elders too long it's too long these things take time

[0:42:40] Voice 9: 20 years

[0:42:40] Voice 5: it's too long thank you so

[0:42:51] Voice 3: rather than just i'd like to say thank you um

[0:42:55] Voice 6: i've lived here

[0:42:57] Voice 6: long enough to know that Rianne was on that advisory planning commission struck in 2002

[0:43:04] Voice 6: and their their results in 2003 are now 20 years old unfortunately that group of hard-working

[0:43:11] Voice 6: community members weren't able to agree on a solution and that's unfortunate but the

[0:43:16] Voice 6: conversation that they had with this community was interesting and all that information is on

[0:43:21] Voice 6: the website I encourage you to dive in and read some of the comments nothing's changed

[0:43:27] Voice 6: I hear you. I totally hear you. I get it over and over and over again.

[0:43:34] Voice 6: I had no interest in coming back to this job, to be quite honest.

[0:43:38] Voice 6: I did it for nine years and I walked away happy to have done my best.

[0:43:42] Voice 6: Housing brought me back. One issue brought me back. This is my community.

[0:43:47] Voice 6: My kids grew up here. They went to school here.

[0:43:51] Voice 6: They can't come back because they can't afford to come back.

[0:43:54] Voice 6: I'd love to have them come back.

[0:43:57] Voice 6: I'd love to have my grandchild on them,

[0:43:58] Voice 6: and I'm much safer than being in the city.

[0:44:01] Voice 6: I get it.

[0:44:03] Voice 6: Asking, waiting for a higher government to pay the bill,

[0:44:06] Voice 6: we see how long that takes.

[0:44:08] Voice 6: There are two pieces of property currently zoned on them,

[0:44:12] Voice 6: and one for 20 rentals, one for eight senior housing rentals.

[0:44:15] Voice 6: Both have been looking at probably a combined amount of money,

[0:44:19] Voice 6: I don't know, 15 million, to build those two developments.

[0:44:23] Voice 6: So that's obviously not going to happen.

[0:44:24] Voice 6: unless we don't want to wait another 10, 15 years.

[0:44:28] Voice 6: I'm not interested in waiting.

[0:44:29] Voice 6: The solution was mentioned, and I forget which person mentioned it,

[0:44:35] Voice 6: but there are people on this island who own land,

[0:44:38] Voice 6: who own houses, who want to help.

[0:44:40] Voice 6: Not everybody.

[0:44:42] Voice 6: And that was unfortunately the question that was not able

[0:44:46] Voice 6: to be answered 20 years ago.

[0:44:48] Voice 6: There was a fear that infected that group.

[0:44:51] Voice 6: They did the math.

[0:44:52] Voice 6: they said look if we let if we let secondary dwellings which is like a cottage be built on

[0:44:57] Voice 6: every single property the population of devon will explode and i said to myself i wasn't a trustee

[0:45:05] Voice 6: and i said to myself what a ridiculous statement

[0:45:07] Voice 5: who who

[0:45:09] Voice 6: in their right mind a moves to an island

[0:45:11] Voice 6: and wants somebody in their backyard i mean you have to be a special person and you are all

[0:45:16] Voice 6: specialty you keep coming here keep talking about this we freaking get it we've struck a really cool

[0:45:25] Voice 6: housing advisory planning group they're working their butts off weekly tearing into this we are

[0:45:32] Voice 6: going to move this as fast as humanly possible but all your concerns and your fears and your

[0:45:39] Voice 6: Your anger needs to be directed at this table, not that table.

[0:45:44] Voice 6: That table is made up of professional people that work for us, inform us, make our job better,

[0:45:53] Voice 6: make the laws that we write work in the courts, because unfortunately, that's the world we live in.

[0:46:00] Voice 6: All laws have to be strong enough that they will withstand a court challenge.

[0:46:07] Voice 6: That's what they do.

[0:46:08] Voice 6: this is the body that you need to be mad at or emotionally geared towards give us the shit

[0:46:15] Voice 6: because this is the decision-making body the three of us that's it and i can honestly say

[0:46:21] Voice 6: you won't find a better group of people who are focused on housing than this group and why am i

[0:46:28] Voice 6: focused on housing because there's a storm coming a monstrous bloody upheaval of society

[0:46:35] Voice 6: society, economics, and weather coming at us at a horrendous rate. And we're not ready.

[0:46:43] Voice 6: We're not ready for the changes that we have to put up. We're not ready. We're still,

[0:46:47] Voice 6: I'm guilty as the next guy. I go to the store, and I buy my avocados from Mexico, and I get my

[0:46:52] Voice 6: mangoes from here, and I blah, blah, blah, blah. That's just crazy. That's just not going to happen

[0:46:57] Voice 6: in the future. We need to be more sufficient, self-sufficient, ready for the future. And you're

[0:47:02] Voice 6: You're not going to get a bunch of old, gray-haired millionaires out there digging the soil and growing potatoes.

[0:47:08] Voice 6: That ain't going to happen.

[0:47:09] Voice 6: We need young, strong backs.

[0:47:11] Voice 6: When I came here, I was a baker.

[0:47:13] Voice 6: I know how to work.

[0:47:14] Voice 6: Okay, that was my rant.

[0:47:16] Voice 6: Back to you.

[0:47:17] Voice 6: I love you all.

[0:47:17] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:47:18] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:47:24] Voice 9: Drop a hand back.

[0:47:25] Voice 9: There we go.

[0:47:25] Voice 10: I just have one question.

[0:47:27] Voice 10: So,

[0:47:28] Voice 9: David, you're saying that we're the ones that are making the decisions and whatnot.

[0:47:31] Voice 9: so to help me understand it was my understanding that you stopped all uh enforcement on housing

[0:47:40] Voice 9: on denham correct um between the three of you uh and i've since heard that that was sent back and

[0:47:46] Voice 9: and we were told that can't happen is that true or not um

[0:47:50] Voice 6: it's a complicated process getting our

[0:47:54] Voice 6: Our own laws changed.

[0:47:56] Voice 6: We've hit a bit of a speed bump.

[0:47:59] Voice 6: Relax.

[0:48:00] Voice 6: Breathe.

[0:48:01] Voice 6: Let us do our work.

[0:48:03] Voice 6: You're going to get what you need.

[0:48:05] Voice 6: We're going to get what we want.

[0:48:06] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:48:07] Voice 4: And there is

[0:48:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): a standing resolution beyond what the pilot thingy was that there

[0:48:14] Voice 9: is no enforcement.

[0:48:14] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:48:15] Voice 9: And it's still in effect.

[0:48:17] Voice 9: It's still in effect.

[0:48:18] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:48:18] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:48:20] Voice 9: One over here and then over there.

[0:48:22] Voice 9: I

[0:48:23] Voice 10: just want to mention briefly, I volunteer at the Food Bank of Marywood, by the way.

[0:48:30] Voice 10: I work at the Food Bank, and one of the things that has torn my heart to pieces

[0:48:38] Voice 10: is seeing this little old lady coming into the Food Bank in the middle of winter,

[0:48:46] Voice 10: looking for stuff, and saying, oh, I can't cook that in my van.

[0:48:52] Voice 10: and I asked her and she's living in her bed how do you stay warm while I have lots of blankets

[0:48:57] Voice 10: I don't know how old she is 70s 80s in the full of winter living in her bed trying to stay warm

[0:49:08] Voice 10: with blankets because there's no house I

[0:49:11] Voice 3: just you know that's all I want to say um

[0:49:18] Voice 10: I just wanted to

[0:49:19] Voice 10: just something popped into my head regarding out-of-the-box linkage um it was raised the

[0:49:25] Voice 10: city fund raising method and it was based in the context of land acquisition but it just occurred

[0:49:32] Voice 10: to me that there are willing owners out there that have zoning that allows them to put in a

[0:49:39] Voice 10: secondary dwelling and for a variety of reasons they may not be able to finance it but it might

[0:49:45] Voice 10: the well words to establish a spot that helps those people when i was fine and the details

[0:49:51] Voice 10: could be worked out but that is

[0:49:53] Voice 10: another other option like every day i can either see the pots

[0:49:58] Voice 10: or the trees i'd rather not hit the trees i will put costs and there's many different ways to get

[0:50:03] Voice 10: down from just saying

[0:50:05] Voice 9: thank you anybody else okay go get your hands up you got caught

[0:50:12] Voice 10: um my name is joe johnny we uh we have a farm and uh we're trying to eat denman but you know

[0:50:20] Voice 10: we're in our 60s and we have we have land we have water we want more people on our continent with us

[0:50:27] Voice 10: and not just as renters okay

[0:50:30] Voice 5: so

[0:50:31] Voice 10: if we can find a way to get there that's less than 10 or 12 years

[0:50:36] Voice 10: years from now,

[0:50:37] Voice 9: and go through Catholic ministries and back and forth between bureaucracies,

[0:50:43] Voice 9: we want to do it. We

[0:50:45] Voice 10: have building skills, we have lumber, like we have trees. We're

[0:50:48] Voice 10: not cutting down all our people leaving. We know we've got enough land, we're lucky. We're

[0:50:52] Voice 9: very fortunate. We've been bylawed already

[0:50:54] Voice 9: because of a rumor that some anonymous person

[0:50:57] Voice 9: phoned

[0:50:58] Voice 10: into the Eyeless Trust. Okay. And luckily, we knew who it was, we knew the language that

[0:51:05] Voice 10: the person who inspected us used we knew exactly who that person was so so i just want to say let

[0:51:12] Voice 10: us do it there are enough people i agree with mary not everyone's going to want to do it so

[0:51:17] Voice 10: this fear oh my god we're going to turn into this the denman's going to grow like salt spring or

[0:51:22] Voice 10: something it ain't going to happen it's the vast majority of landowners but yes help people finance

[0:51:29] Voice 10: those kind of movements. Yes, look at

[0:51:32] Voice 10: innovative ways to provide

[0:51:34] Voice 10: student and power, and we're also great, so we

[0:51:38] Voice 10: provide our own power. So

[0:51:41] Voice 10: let us do it. Just let us do it and

[0:51:44] Voice 10: actually give us a hand to do it. Encourage us to do

[0:51:47] Voice 10: it. You know, we want to be feeding them

[0:51:50] Voice 10: and we want to provide housing. We want to

[0:51:52] Voice 10: create the kind of thing that everyone who wants

[0:51:56] Voice 10: right? And we actually are lucky that we

[0:51:59] Voice 10: have some of the resources that are hardest hardest to get so let us do it

[0:52:15] Voice 9: well thank you everybody this is and you know every word is taken in

[0:52:27] like the rest of ic has been writing away renee's been writing away the trustees have been writing

[0:52:33] away

[0:52:33] Voice 9: we like this part of every meeting and we encourage everybody to speak because that's how

[0:52:39] Voice 9: we get to get to have the right decision so thank you okay

[0:52:43] Voice 3: so

[0:52:44] Voice 9: we'll move on um delegations so we

[0:52:48] have the housing action group we have a

[0:52:50] Voice 9: presentation on community petitions oh oh we're not allowed to

[0:52:59] Voice 9: disappeared

[0:53:24] Voice 7: so there's a lot to say there's a lot that's already been said i'll work to um be concise

[0:53:37] Voice 5: So as

[0:53:38] Voice 7: just a foundational piece, I want to say thank you for putting me in today's agenda.

[0:53:49] Voice 7: We did give 15 calendar days notice for intentions, so I appreciate that that was on it.

[0:53:55] Voice 7: So thank you very much.

[0:53:58] Voice 7: As I had, we're looking for, you know, definitely focused, relevant, on the ground foundation and structure

[0:54:04] Voice 7: structure for decision making that supports approval of affordable and environmentally

[0:54:08] Voice 7: responsible housing options bottom line um we're grateful that there are tools in place to look at

[0:54:18] Voice 7: that at this point the housing APC the elected officials the onboard commitment of the um staff

[0:54:26] Voice 7: of the island stress so thank you for your work there recognizing as well that tools can also be

[0:54:32] Voice 7: obstacles are moving forward depending on how you use them tool can also be a weapon

[0:54:37] Voice 7: so we want to just recognize that all tools need to look at um you know how are those tools

[0:54:44] Voice 7: created so in the presentation of the tools for decision making just putting forward we need to

[0:54:50] Voice 7: look at how much time was invested how much outreach was involved uh what if we're talking

[0:54:55] Voice 7: about water for instance you know what are the limiting factors in terms of that process

[0:54:59] Voice 7: process. And so how can we as decision makers look at tools and also during the process look

[0:55:09] Voice 7: at strengths and weaknesses and weigh those when we're making decisions. There have been 10 studies

[0:55:15] Voice 7: that we include the most recent phase one process. Thank you for engagement. We really need that

[0:55:20] Voice 7: review. And thank you to HAGS and Virginia and Rianne and all those that are committed to the

[0:55:26] Voice 7: the Housing APC. Those 10 studies and surveys over the last 20 years need to be looked at

[0:55:32] Voice 7: and embraced. Those messages have been repeated over and over and over again.

[0:55:39] Voice 7: They've identified

[0:55:40] Voice 7: affordable housing access as a priority. We need to look at what's been

[0:55:46] Voice 7: learned over the last 20 years and what actually has been seen on the

[0:55:50] Voice 7: ground on Demanada in those

[0:55:52] Voice 7: those 20 years and how we can move forward. What's been learned? What's been gained? What's

[0:55:57] Voice 7: gone on in other communities, other rural communities, other island communities? How

[0:56:02] Voice 7: are people dealing with septic? How are people dealing with water? What is successful? We also

[0:56:09] Voice 7: need to look at what values are we trying to uphold with the density bank? What are the local

[0:56:14] Voice 7: solutions and what values do they draw on in terms of their roots? How can the bylaws reflect those

[0:56:23] Voice 7: same values so on the record it's important that we're honest and that we look at the examples of

[0:56:34] Voice 7: systemic problems with this process that unfortunately have resulted in violations

[0:56:39] Voice 7: to the human rights on housing and we have seen that here documented today and in many other ways

[0:56:47] Voice 7: so part of what i wanted to talk about today was the two petitions that came forward in the last

[0:56:53] Voice 7: couple of years, 2022 in May was the last time something was presented in terms of a way about

[0:57:01] Voice 7: a petition. So

[0:57:05] Voice 3: I'm going to get to the petitions in just a moment. I'm cognizant of the time.

[0:57:15] Voice 3: Appreciative of

[0:57:16] Voice 7: this process of removing fines that may relate to housing for many, many reasons.

[0:57:24] Voice 7: But David Graham, Trustee, I appreciate 100% what you talked about in terms of they are disproportionately punitive.

[0:57:34] Voice 7: Okay, so the reason we're taking those fines out is not that we're wanting just free thinking, have at or go for it.

[0:57:43] Voice 7: What we want is to be aware of what values those bylaws are meant to uphold,

[0:57:49] Voice 7: hold and how can we not be punitive with the most vulnerable people thank you for this current

[0:57:56] Voice 7: review that we're looking at initiating with the housing apc it is absolutely vital vital vital

[0:58:03] Voice 7: for this community for every island community that those bylaws reflect actually on the ground

[0:58:10] Voice 7: what we face every day and that they reflect the values that we're trying to uphold looking at the

[0:58:16] Voice 7: the access to affordable housing in partnership with environmental protection.

[0:58:22] Voice 7: Those things are key.

[0:58:24] Voice 7: By connecting with the values of the insurance company,

[0:58:28] Voice 7: that doesn't give us what we're looking for.

[0:58:31] Voice 7: If we're looking for government funding and they are totally motivated

[0:58:36] Voice 7: by appeasing an insurance company, it doesn't bring in the human values.

[0:58:41] Voice 7: And that comes into this reality that we face,

[0:58:44] Voice 7: which is that there are people up here making decisions that don't live here where you know

[0:58:49] Voice 7: what the timelines are nothing personal it's just our process whereas the people down here in

[0:58:55] Voice 7: community it is so personal it is so common it is life and death yes yes life and death

[0:59:03] Voice 7: and we're talking about most actively impacted most vulnerable people people who are financially

[0:59:11] Voice 7: strapped, elders, disabled, single parents, people who are mentally and emotionally traumatized

[0:59:19] Voice 7: already, and who are too afraid, too impacted, too dehumanized, marginalized, too busy,

[0:59:28] Voice 7: without transportation, abused, in challenging home situations where they can't even use the phone

[0:59:35] Voice 7: because they can't get out, because they don't have any option. So we want to just continue to

[0:59:42] Voice 7: look at the fact that this particular group inherited a problem. It's also an opportunity.

[0:59:50] Voice 7: It is not your fault, but it is your commitment and we're so grateful, so grateful.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: The worst case scenario of not acting quickly is death.

[1:00:04] Voice 7: We have seen many people and, you know, shout it out if you know the number of people.

[1:00:10] Voice 5: Seven

[1:00:10] Voice 7: people who have died in their cars, in their bus, in their whatever it is, because there was no safe way to help those people.

[1:00:22] Voice 7: By opening up simple solutions, it creates activation.

[1:00:27] Voice 7: And we talked about, are we going to explode in population? We're actually talking about making it legal and safe for people that already live here, that have already

[1:00:36] Voice 7: lived here for a whole generation or three or six.

[1:00:43] Voice 7: sick you know however long these people have been here we've all been here and now it's not safe to

[1:00:49] Voice 7: be here because now those same structures that have been illegal or those same connections or

[1:00:54] Voice 7: their same relationships are so underground and so private and so not okay that they're

[1:01:03] Voice 7: creating systemic challenges that are just in insurmountable without support it needs to be

[1:01:09] Voice 7: a place where we can feel human we can feel included we want people to to get over the

[1:01:15] Voice 7: systemic shame and and that's due to judgment so i do just want to say that i'm going to get

[1:01:24] Voice 7: to this right now and i know my time is way up however why do people stay on the island

[1:01:31] Voice 7: people stay on the island because of the lifetime of connection and networks resources food bank

[1:01:37] Voice 7: community care medical attention relationships with caregivers um infrastructure that supports

[1:01:43] Voice 7: them like outreach with them home care on and on and displacement out of this community in

[1:01:50] Voice 7: this community creates further vulnerability so if i think about to myself

[1:01:55] Voice 7: what am i going to do

[1:01:56] Voice 7: am i going to go and drive to work from whiskey creek because i um have to get to work and there's

[1:02:01] Voice 7: There's nowhere else for me to say I choose to go in there because that is the only safe option that keeps me dry and my baby cats alive, then I'm going to choose to do that.

[1:02:11] Voice 7: But that person, it wouldn't be creepy, vulnerable to robbery, vulnerable to a car accident, vulnerable to poverty, vulnerable to, you know, whatever isolation that whatever vulnerabilities that isolation creates.

[1:02:26] Voice 7: I just wanted to say here that I'm going to get to this position right now.

[1:02:32] Voice 7: The thing that's super clear to me

[1:02:35] Voice 7: is in a conversation I had this weekend

[1:02:38] Voice 7: with a former trustee,

[1:02:40] Voice 7: I brought up housing,

[1:02:42] Voice 7: I brought up the petition,

[1:02:43] Voice 7: and they were immediately,

[1:02:45] Voice 7: immediately dismissed.

[1:02:47] Voice 7: Oh, I was told that somebody felt coerced

[1:02:51] Voice 7: in signing that petition.

[1:02:53] Voice 7: So you can't even, you know,

[1:02:55] Voice 7: it's way better to show up with the kids

[1:02:56] Voice 7: and manipulate the situation

[1:03:00] Voice 7: so it's more impactful.

[1:03:03] Voice 7: and i'm like

[1:03:03] Voice 7: no way no way we are here we are honest they're straight up and if one person

[1:03:09] Voice 7: felt corrected out of the 1200 people that are represented by these petitions then that is their

[1:03:17] Voice 7: cross to bear they got to figure that one out but majority of these petitions that we're presenting

[1:03:23] Voice 7: today were signed online and not only were they signed online but they have an enormous amount

[1:03:29] Voice 7: of comments attached.

[1:03:32] Voice 7: So ALR petition was presented to the Isles Trust already.

[1:03:38] Voice 7: We, the undersigned residents, property owners

[1:03:40] Voice 7: at Devon Isle, petitioner at Devon Isle

[1:03:41] Voice 7: Local Trust Committee presented to this new group,

[1:03:45] Voice 7: change in by-law 228, love land use by-law

[1:03:48] Voice 7: and by-law 229 official community plan

[1:03:51] Voice 7: to align provincial agricultural land reserve regulation

[1:03:54] Voice 7: that went into effect January 1st, 2022,

[1:03:57] Voice 7: that allowed secondary dwellings on all ALR lands.

[1:04:03] Voice 7: That was the first commitment of engagement by signing the petition.

[1:04:07] Voice 7: Number two, to impose no restrictions beyond the provincial ones

[1:04:11] Voice 7: on these year-round dwellings.

[1:04:14] Voice 7: Number three, to ensure that these dwellings are not used for vacation

[1:04:18] Voice 7: and or short-term rentals.

[1:04:21] Voice 7: And just want to say, no matter what we do,

[1:04:23] Voice 7: if it's secondary or otherwise, affordability.

[1:04:27] Voice 7: access and affordability is key to any bylaw change. How do we ensure that these people can

[1:04:34] Voice 7: access this home? There was a second petition. Oh, so that petition had 571 signatures at the time

[1:04:43] Voice 7: of registering to present in May of 2022. And at the time of presentation had 601 signatures.

[1:04:50] Voice 7: signatures um and then the other piece was around uh petition against enforcement

[1:04:56] Voice 7: petition was presented in march of 2021 petition signed by 541 residents majority of that was

[1:05:06] Voice 7: online petition read we the undersigned residents of devon island petition the devon island local

[1:05:11] Voice 7: trust committee lcc to immediately put a moratorium on enforcement of land use bylaws that would

[1:05:18] Voice 7: result in eviction in any of all housing on diamond island and maintain that moratorium

[1:05:23] Voice 7: until the following are accomplished a hold an official community plan ocp review in

[1:05:30] Voice 7: consultation with the representative prosecution of residents including the most vulnerable renters

[1:05:36] Voice 7: b complete a targeted review of housing regulations in the land use bylaw

[1:05:41] Voice 7: 186. C, craft relevant and community-centered land use bylaws that support and prioritize

[1:05:49] Voice 7: affordable housing options, sustainable and environmentally sensitive approaches to any

[1:05:55] Voice 7: development, and reflect the needs of a healthy and diverse community in light of changing

[1:06:01] Voice 7: demographics and the impact of socioeconomic conditions on rural housing and security.

[1:06:07] Voice 7: so one of the things that was mentioned about grounds for dismissing was the manipulation

[1:06:19] Voice 7: or the feeling pressure to sign so i will say that there are a number of comments and you know

[1:06:27] Voice 7: i'm going to read a few there are severe shortage of affordable housing for workers on this island

[1:06:33] Voice 7: new because we need a home more than we need privileged desires another comment i believe

[1:06:40] Voice 7: in social housing and creative approaches another one we're in crisis land people nature we all need

[1:06:47] Voice 7: to be respected another one

[1:06:49] Voice 7: sharing resources like land lowers the negative impact on climate

[1:06:53] Voice 7: compared to the single family dwelling where one family has one house and land when we share we

[1:06:58] Voice 7: We only need one tractor, one lawnmower.

[1:07:02] Voice 7: Sharing costs, life, improves quality and connections with others.

[1:07:07] Voice 7: It is friendly to the land that we live on.

[1:07:10] Voice 7: Many hands make light work.

[1:07:12] Voice 7: It is better for children.

[1:07:13] Voice 7: It is better for single, it is better for children.

[1:07:17] Voice 7: Single family dwellings is a capitalistic concept to make people wealthy.

[1:07:22] Voice 7: We've had enough already.

[1:07:24] Voice 7: And it goes on.

[1:07:25] Voice 7: There's another whole page of it.

[1:07:26] Voice 7: there's another whole petition with a whole bunch of comments i'll just read three

[1:07:31] Voice 7: the time has come for the island of devon island to start to create the utopian society that we

[1:07:38] Voice 7: have always wanted hard when you can't find a place to live and the island trust wants to take

[1:07:43] Voice 7: away the only available option for so many we need to start making decisions and everyone deserves a

[1:07:51] Voice 7: a home. Devon people, real people, need reliable, rented spaces to live here. We need more affordable

[1:08:00] Voice 7: housing. We need secure housing. So thank you for your time. I really appreciate the extra time.

[1:08:06] Voice 7: We appreciate your work. And it was just, you know, when I went back to my files to compare

[1:08:12] Voice 7: for today, I thought, what do I have in my file from 2020, 2020, sorry, 2000, 2002,

[1:08:19] Voice 7: 2002 and actually went through and I have all of the pilot routines that we were doing in 2002

[1:08:26] Voice 7: in my file and I thought oh my god they're the same the same file like I just dusted it off

[1:08:36] Voice 7: and there it was like oh look we're back here except for now it's a new generation

[1:08:41] Voice 7: so thank you very much thank you

[1:08:51] Voice 5: thank you thank

[1:08:53] Voice 3: you okay

[1:08:58] Voice 3: so next up we

[1:09:01] Voice 9: have our minutes

[1:09:01] Voice 3: um

[1:09:02] Voice 9: we have local trust committee minutes

[1:09:04] Voice 9: dated june the 6th 2023 for adoption anybody have any corrections or just

[1:09:11] Voice 6: a minor one page nine

[1:09:14] Voice 6: referencing a DE 2023-031.

[1:09:18] Voice 6: We call the Dampen Housing Advisory,

[1:09:22] Voice 6: we call it a committee, it's actually a commission.

[1:09:24] Voice 6: It's just the one little S. Louise Bell coming through my...

[1:09:31] Voice 9: Where was that on page three?

[1:09:32] Voice 9: Page nine of the DE 2023-031.

[1:09:38] Voice 9: And it was probably me or whoever made that,

[1:09:41] Voice 9: we call the devon housing advisory planning

[1:09:44] Voice 6: i called the commission a committee it's actually

[1:09:48] Voice 6: a commission okay that's it so great minutes once again thank you vicky

[1:09:52] Voice 6: I'm making sure.

[1:09:58] Voice 9: Page nine.

[1:10:03] Voice 9: Very, very last slide on the bottom of the page.

[1:10:11] Voice 9: That's the weather.

[1:10:13] Voice 9: Okay, so by consent, we will adopt those.

[1:10:16] Voice 9: as a minute um we have no resolution of meetings and we have the advisory planning commission

[1:10:24] Voice 9: minutes from july 6 2023 for receipt so thank you very much for your work um this is arriving

[1:10:33] Voice 9: for the minutes we have a follow-up action list um next page 24 28 of the agenda um so who's going

[1:10:41] Voice 3: to

[1:10:42] Voice 5: walk us through that

[1:10:53] Voice 9: steven should be on the line planner now okay so what will um don't see

[1:11:00] Voice 9: him yet and we'll just take five minutes break yeah so we're just gonna take a little break

[1:20:36] Voice 3: getting out. All

[1:20:52] Voice 3: right, we are getting back together.

[1:20:59] Voice 9: Mr.

[1:21:06] Voice 5: Chair, we

[1:21:09] Voice 9: even have just open the bottle to get the

[1:21:11] Voice 9: gallery. I just wanted to acknowledge Will in the in the

[1:21:19] Voice 9: Gabriel office who puts up those magic signs that tell us about

[1:21:22] Voice 9: the breaks.

[1:21:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): I really appreciate your attendance and making us

[1:21:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): quite professional. Moving on we have a follow-up action list and I see we have a planner who has

[1:21:33] Voice 9: joined us so I believe you're going to walk us through that so welcome.

[1:21:40] Voice 4: Thanks I'll defer to the

[1:21:42] Voice 4: RPM Jammer app for the follow-up action list but I believe you have applications coming up so I'm

[1:21:48] Voice 4: on tap for those.

[1:21:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): All right we were jumping ahead but we do that sometimes because that's what the

[1:21:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): cool kids do all right so

[1:21:56] Voice 9: you walk us through this the follow-up actions sure okay so this

[1:22:02] Voice 9: will be page 19 of the agenda package so the follow-up action list has a list of items that

[1:22:11] Voice 9: we ultimately provides as um items for staff to complete your resolutions and direction so this

[1:22:21] Voice 9: is a list of those actions many of them are completed here um what we do for this list is

[1:22:27] Voice 9: we keep the ones that are completed from the previous month or so just to show you as a as

[1:22:34] Voice 9: a record and then they go to the completed list and they'll they'll be removed from the list but

[1:22:38] Voice 9: it's just to sort of catch everybody up on what's been happening to the lost country meetings so if

[1:22:45] Voice 10: you have any questions on the follow-up actually once through the chair

[1:22:47] Voice 9: everybody's happy with

[1:22:50] Voice 9: the information presented um i was gonna get i was gonna ask just if we know uh and this is just off

[1:22:59] Voice 9: the top of your head if you if you know if uh claire is making any progress with the i see it's

[1:23:04] Voice 9: still in progress with the the introduction to come up so um i'm fully prepared to accept that

[1:23:11] Voice 9: you have no idea what she's up to um thank you for the uh the question um we leave this mindfully on

[1:23:19] Voice 9: the call action was available letters have gone out so um an update to that i thought there were

[1:23:26] Voice 9: some letters uh because there's i think about 30 letters from various first nations that you know

[1:23:33] Voice 9: were sitting on their territory the update is that

[1:23:37] Voice 9: because the council had asked for the letters to

[1:23:40] Voice 9: go through one more time with their eyes they're anticipating to go out this week and that includes

[1:23:49] Voice 9: was for me with this first question sure uh there is this isn't just the one that's been seen at

[1:23:56] Voice 9: trust council level this is not because i see in our uh follow-up action report it's for the

[1:24:03] Voice 9: purpose of setting up an introductory meeting which i don't think was the purpose of the trust

[1:24:06] Voice 9: council letters i think it is it is so i know i saw a draft on monday that was circulated to the

[1:24:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): executive based on our thumbs up is supposed to be circling all trustees i believe maybe today

[1:24:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): or tomorrow and i think

[1:24:27] Voice 9: the goal is the first week of august 7th yeah i was fortunate to meet

[1:24:33] Voice 9: counselor newman from the comox first nation yesterday at the steering committee and it was

[1:24:37] Voice 9: very nice to meet her so i look forward to having that conversation with my social progress all

[1:24:43] Alrighty, if nothing else from that, then we will move.

[1:24:49] We have a staff report here

[1:24:52] Voice 9: to do with liquor

[1:24:54] Voice 9: and cannabis regulations,

[1:24:56] Voice 9: Bradford Road area endorsement.

[1:25:00] Voice 9: So Stephen, if you want to walk us through that.

[1:25:05] Voice 4: Sure, sure.

[1:25:06] Voice 4: Yeah, so this is a referral

[1:25:07] Voice 4: from the Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch

[1:25:10] Voice 4: for a permanent outdoor service area,

[1:25:13] Voice 4: offering alcoholic drinks at Corlin Vineyard and Farm.

[1:25:18] Voice 4: The LCRB forwards certain applications to the government

[1:25:22] Voice 4: so that they can decide if they want to collect input

[1:25:26] Voice 4: from the community or opt out of that consultation process.

[1:25:30] Voice 4: And if the local government, or the LTC in this case,

[1:25:33] Voice 4: opts out of the consultation process,

[1:25:35] Voice 4: the LCRB will still gather input from the public,

[1:25:38] Voice 4: but they control kind of how it's done in that case.

[1:25:42] Voice 3: So

[1:25:42] Voice 4: staff are recommending that the LTC opt out of the comment and public notification process

[1:25:48] Voice 4: as the application is not expected to have adverse impacts on the community

[1:25:51] Voice 4: and the LCRB will complete that process instead.

[1:25:56] Voice 6: Thank you. Any questions?

[1:25:59] Voice 6: I've reviewed the file and I have no problem with it at all and I'm prepared to make the

[1:26:04] Voice 6: all

[1:26:05] Voice 9: right yeah no no opposition here all

[1:26:08] Voice 6: right i will note that that joins the outcomes here

[1:26:12] Voice 6: but i will move that the down on the political trust committee requests staff to inform

[1:26:16] Voice 6: the liquor and cannabis regulation branch the local trust committee is opting out of the common

[1:26:22] Voice 6: and public input process for application be lcd 2023.1 a lounge area endorsement

[1:26:33] Voice 6: just the fact that we're opting out it really sends the message to the local

[1:26:38] Voice 6: for the liquor and cannabis group that we have no concerns so we're opting out they have a process

[1:26:46] Voice 6: to go through they're going to do it they give us the opportunity we want to do it we have concerns

[1:26:50] Voice 6: but we have no concerns so the applicant is now left to deal with the

[1:26:55] Voice 9: liquor and cannabis

[1:27:04] Voice 9: Next up we have Development Permit Application DP-84, Law Frontage Exemption, back to you.

[1:27:15] Voice 4: Sure.

[1:27:16] Voice 4: Yeah, so this is the staff report addresses two requirements of a subdivision.

[1:27:22] Voice 4: One is the development permit application and the other is a lot frontage waiver.

[1:27:28] Voice 4: So the development permit application is to facilitate a lot line adjustment subdivision

[1:27:34] Voice 4: at 3060 Lake Road and 4060 Wren Road within development permit area four, which is the

[1:27:42] Voice 4: streams, lakes and wetlands development permit area.

[1:27:45] Voice 4: The applicant provided a report from a qualified environmental professional along with their

[1:27:51] Voice 4: application and staff find that the application is consistent with the development permit area

[1:27:56] Voice 4: guidelines and are recommending approval of the development permit. So the staff report also

[1:28:02] Voice 4: addresses that lot frontage waiver which is a requirement as well the subdivision because of

[1:28:09] Voice 4: the local government act which is the provincial legislation that requires 10 percent of a lot to

[1:28:16] Voice 4: be fronted on a highway um and the local government can exempt loss from this requirement

[1:28:23] Voice 4: um and in this case the the law proposed law five does meet the bylaw the land use by law minimum

[1:28:30] Voice 4: frontage and uh there's adequate appears to be adequate frontage on the highway and staff are

[1:28:36] Voice 4: recommending that that law frontage exemption be granted by the

[1:28:39] Voice 9: ltc thank you trustees any

[1:28:43] Voice 9: Just for sort of clarity of process, absolutely, I want to move this forward, but I am aware

[1:28:56] that

[1:28:57] Voice 9: also on this file, we're looking at, there's a question of non-conforming housing.

[1:29:09] I want to make sure that by passing this, we're not going

[1:29:13] Voice 9: to put ourselves in a bad

[1:29:15] Voice 9: position to interrogate that subject fully this

[1:29:19] Voice 4: is yeah this would be separate from from that

[1:29:23] Voice 9: that's all i need to know okay

[1:29:31] Voice 3: i move uh that the denman island local

[1:29:38] Voice 9: trust committee approve issuance of developer

[1:29:40] Voice 9: development permit d e dash dp dash two zero two three point one second discussion

[1:29:49] Voice 9: call a question all in favor that carries uh and i move uh that the denman island

[1:29:55] Voice 9: local trust committee exempt lot five of the proposed lot line adjustment subdivision

[1:30:00] Voice 9: with file number DE-SUB-2022.1 from section 512, brackets 1, of the Local Government Act,

[1:30:10] Voice 9: which requires that each parcel have a highway frontage that is greater than 10% of the perimeter

[1:30:14] Voice 9: of the site. Second. Discussion? Follow-up question? There it carries. And I neglected

[1:30:22] if the answer is here.

[1:30:25] Voice 9: If you have anything to say? Not on this issue, but I reserve the right

[1:30:28] Voice 9: to reserve the next issue normally we i think they give you the opportunity to

[1:30:35] Voice 9: provide input but i i assume you're satisfied with the outcomes absolutely all right thank

[1:30:40] Voice 9: you very much and thank you stephan all right so moving on could

[1:30:46] Voice 6: we not deal with that right now

[1:30:48] Voice 6: i mean the atmosphere is here sure would that be okay to yeah rejig the agenda and move that

[1:30:55] Voice 6: We can rejig if

[1:30:56] Voice 9: everybody's in agreement.

[1:30:58] Voice 9: Seems to me like it makes sense to deal with it all in one go.

[1:31:01] Voice 9: Stephen, are you still with us? He is still, well there he is.

[1:31:06] Voice 9: I am, yeah, I'm still here.

[1:31:07] Voice 9: We're rejigging.

[1:31:09] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:31:12] Voice 9: We're just sort of going to the housing, so we're going to 10.2. We're going to 13.1.

[1:31:22] Voice 9: 13.1?

[1:31:23] Voice 9: Ah, right, thank you.

[1:31:24] Voice 9: So let's say they're going to say, thank you.

[1:31:27] Voice 9: Any page, please?

[1:31:28] Voice 9: 92.

[1:31:30] Voice 9: I've got 87.

[1:31:32] Voice 9: Sorry.

[1:31:33] Voice 9: Oh, so on the digital version, apparently it's different than the print.

[1:31:36] Voice 9: Yeah, two different versions.

[1:31:38] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:31:38] Voice 9: All right.

[1:31:40] Voice 9: So we're literally not on the same page.

[1:31:44] Voice 9: All right.

[1:31:46] Voice 9: Do you want to walk us a little bit through that?

[1:31:49] Voice 4: Sure, I can.

[1:31:50] Voice 4: Yeah, I can introduce the report.

[1:31:52] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:31:52] Voice 4: So, it's a memo, I guess. This memo is being presented to the LTC as a follow-up to a resolution made at the previous LTC meeting regarding how CP Policy 30 applies to a subdivision application, the one that we had just looked at with regards to the development permit, DE sub 2022.1.

[1:32:16] Voice 4: So the memo provides some background on the subdivision application, including the conditions

[1:32:22] Voice 4: required by the Deadland Land Use By-law, and explains how OCP Policy 30 could apply

[1:32:28] Voice 4: to the subdivision application.

[1:32:30] Voice 4: The policy specifically relates to zoning amendment applications, and at this stage

[1:32:37] Voice 4: a zoning amendment application has not been made in connection to the subdivision application.

[1:32:41] Voice 4: application. It is one of the options available to the applicant should they wish to advance

[1:32:47] Voice 4: the development in that way. That zoning amendment process could increase the density permitted

[1:32:53] Voice 4: on property. And there are also other options that could be pursued by the applicant including

[1:32:59] Voice 4: a temporary use permit possibly which is a permit that would come to the LTC for a decision.

[1:33:04] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:33:08] Voice 9: All right.

[1:33:10] Voice 9: I want to hear from the applicant, or trustees, what's your pleasure?

[1:33:15] Voice 6: Perhaps I'll just speak first.

[1:33:17] Voice 6: So thank you, Stephen.

[1:33:19] Voice 6: The prior reason why I decided that particular OCP policy was to give you, staff, an opportunity

[1:33:27] Voice 6: to reflect on other ways of establishing credibility of evidence.

[1:33:32] Voice 6: So you had mentioned in your report that you weren't really, you weren't able to have enough confidence in the information that had been presented to you by the applicant who established the age of those dwellings, and I appreciate that.

[1:33:47] Voice 6: But we have, by referencing this OCP policy, another mechanism which we had used in the past, and though I agree that the mechanism was used for a different type of application,

[1:34:01] Voice 6: It still shows that that's a valid way to establish credibility of evidence when credibility is questioned.

[1:34:09] Voice 6: And so that's really the point to bring that particular OCP policy and the fact that the local government does have the ability in that particular situation and perhaps by inference in other applications.

[1:34:24] Voice 6: And that's what I was wondering if

[1:34:26] Voice 9: you could speak to that.

[1:34:29] Voice 9: And I can, through the chair, I can also.

[1:34:31] Voice 9: okay thank you

[1:34:32] Voice 3: i believe he's different

[1:34:35] Voice 9: i saw the hesitation that's all so we're through the chair um just to touch upon uh trustee graham's

[1:34:44] Voice 9: questions so can we you ask can we use this policy policy to apply that the evidence provided can be

[1:34:53] Voice 9: used so what the report explains and what I'll

[1:34:58] Voice 7: pull from that is the OCP policy where we could

[1:35:03] Voice 7: use that information and say this evidence is good enough the LNC says yes we accept that

[1:35:09] Voice 7: only applies in the case of a rezoning application and because what we have for this filing

[1:35:17] Voice 7: a subdivision application we can't just throw that policy on top of this to apply

[1:35:24] Voice 9: which is and then

[1:35:28] Voice 9: so if there was a rezoning application made then that would be an option you can activate but we

[1:35:34] Voice 9: don't have the right tool to be able to just do that through the subdivision process

[1:35:40] Voice 6: i appreciate

[1:35:41] Voice 6: that explanation. Again, I was not necessarily suggesting we use that tool. I was showing,

[1:35:49] Voice 6: I was demonstrating how an equally valid process exists where a local government can establish

[1:36:00] Voice 6: credibility of evidence. I thought this would be a helpful perspective when a planner is being

[1:36:07] Voice 6: being asked to evaluate information and they're not quite sure um they can say well actually the

[1:36:13] Voice 6: local government has in the past with a different application they have the ability to look at

[1:36:17] Voice 6: because of course they live here and they know the people that have presented the letter and so

[1:36:22] Voice 6: there's a there's a higher degree of trust and confidence in that and this is such a minor thing

[1:36:27] Voice 6: i just thought it would be helpful just to move this forward we've spent an enormous amount of

[1:36:32] Voice 6: of the applicant's mental health

[1:36:36] Voice 6: on such a simple lot line adjustment,

[1:36:39] Voice 6: it pains me to continue to beat the door on this one.

[1:36:44] Voice 6: So I'm looking for

[1:36:45] Voice 9: some creative,

[1:36:48] Voice 9: what was that person's comment out of the box thinking,

[1:36:52] Voice 9: I mean, we can do that.

[1:36:56] Voice 9: Very good, Chair.

[1:36:58] Voice 9: And Planner Bough and I have also reflected on this

[1:37:03] Voice 9: to say okay what how can we work through this piece in the in a subdivision process application

[1:37:12] Voice 9: reflecting on that there's not a the subdivision process application is one of the most technical

[1:37:19] Voice 9: technical processes that we have to work with through this referral that the plan

[1:37:25] Voice 9: the ministry of transportation does make their decision based on the language bylaws that we

[1:37:32] Voice 9: need to provide that comment on so the answer that we don't like to provide because it's not

[1:37:39] Voice 9: offering a creative solution in the subdivision process tells us to stick within the room that

[1:37:46] Voice 9: we're given because it's so technical where we have the ability to think outside of the box

[1:37:51] Voice 9: is rezoning oz and vm applications to have reduced funds to observe point variances

[1:37:58] Voice 9: So, we've scoured and looked through all of the policies that could apply to this, we've

[1:38:04] Voice 9: looked at the by-laws multiple times to see what we can do to pull this up.

[1:38:09] Voice 9: And this is the piece that we hit.

[1:38:12] Voice 9: We've hit a piece to say we've looked at all of the other policies to provide this, because

[1:38:18] Voice 9: this is a subdivision process application.

[1:38:21] Voice 9: We don't have the ability to pull in other rules to try and make it apply.

[1:38:27] Voice 9: but we you know thinking to that how can we get there perhaps there could be some solutions to

[1:38:34] Voice 9: allowing that i'll call it wiggle room allowing that information to be considered through this

[1:38:41] Voice 9: kind of process and how can we do that moving forward maybe there's a policy or

[1:38:47] Voice 9: some sort of resolution through the ltc that can activate that i'm not sure the resolutions

[1:38:52] Voice 9: is the right way to go but something that sticks permanently that's very clear right to clear signal

[1:38:59] Voice 9: made through a policy for example um that could signal to me you've given the ability to accept

[1:39:06] Voice 9: i

[1:39:06] Voice 6: guess that was why i made that motion originally because i thought you know it really is a judgment

[1:39:15] Voice 6: call on the full planner perspective like looking at a photograph i'm not there's there's a gray

[1:39:21] area there so even though you're saying the

[1:39:24] Voice 6: subdivision process is very rigid and tight and

[1:39:26] Voice 6: that particular aspect is not rigid and tight there is a judgment call that has been made

[1:39:32] Voice 6: and i was hoping i was helping to move that with some more it's the right word gravitas

[1:39:40] Voice 6: more history and i really do think that i appreciate the opportunity to maybe reformulate

[1:39:47] Voice 6: a motion that could give the planner confidence that they've done the best they can and they're

[1:39:56] Voice 6: relying on the history and experience of this local trust committee i mean i've known kathy

[1:40:02] Voice 6: reader since before i moved to denver and i've been here 30 years so there's not any question

[1:40:06] Voice 9: about her credibility her quality of evidence in my mind so through the chair if i may um i want

[1:40:17] Voice 9: to reach out to planner fowl to explain that particular i think the sticking point that we

[1:40:22] Voice 9: get in the subdivision process that could shed some light on this thank you um

[1:40:31] Voice 4: so i'm not exactly

[1:40:33] Voice 4: sure what clarity we're looking for but um i think the the process you're referring to within this

[1:40:40] Voice 4: subdivision application is you know determining legal non-conformity and i think um for me i it's

[1:40:49] Voice 4: typically been a island stress process that it's uh between the planner and the island planner or

[1:40:55] Voice 4: the rpm um looking at what it's submitted um and evaluating that um so if there's an alternative

[1:41:04] Voice 4: process um going to the ltc to look at this i'm not sure how that how that works and how that

[1:41:10] Voice 4: uh could be brought about but um but but possibly there is a way i just but i don't think i can

[1:41:16] Voice 4: provide that advice right now without doing some research or investigation into that more to be

[1:41:25] Voice 9: clear like just to bring me up to speed so we're trying to establish legal non-conformity agent

[1:41:40] Voice 9: so the planners are struggling with with how to define that there's a letter yeah and there's

[1:41:47] Voice 9: a photograph which seems to be enough so can the ltc by motion and i established the fact through

[1:41:57] Voice 9: the chair and this is what our trustee graham was making through the last resolution and i think

[1:42:05] Voice 9: what is signaling is we've gone through the policy and said okay this is the policy that deals with

[1:42:11] Voice 9: this we don't have one that needs this question do we need a new policy let's not make another

[1:42:19] Voice 9: thing um can we work with them while we have so

[1:42:24] Voice 7: where we're at with this report is sharing that

[1:42:26] Voice 7: we've hit where as far as we can go within the current policy the options are right now

[1:42:33] Voice 9: um

[1:42:35] Voice 9: to for the applicant to to explore an option to apply for zoning amendment

[1:42:41] Voice 9: does it need to go that

[1:42:42] Voice 7: quick so i'm also i think planner bow and i have been swirling a little bit

[1:42:47] Voice 7: and this one because the the resolution to give us that direction um i mean i think it

[1:42:56] Voice 7: wouldn't hurt while we're here to give that direction and that resolution and then we can

[1:43:01] Voice 9: take this one time and try and do something with this

[1:43:12] Voice 9: we gotta deal with us first and then come to you well she asked me who was right

[1:43:19] Voice 9: I don't want to ignore you.

[1:43:22] Voice 9: So,

[1:43:23] Voice 9: can I ask a question or a statement

[1:43:25] Voice 9: or something?

[1:43:27] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:43:29] Voice 9: I apologize, Steve, for getting

[1:43:31] Voice 9: between you and getting this piece, but

[1:43:37] Voice 9: this question of

[1:43:38] Voice 9: the non-informing status of a housing

[1:43:41] Voice 9: option that people

[1:43:42] Voice 9: are living in on this island

[1:43:45] Voice 9: where we've just heard all of this discussion

[1:43:46] Voice 9: about the need for housing and that it's, you know, the threat, existential and very concrete

[1:43:55] Voice 9: to our community because of lack of housing. This has come up as a byproduct of a mechanism that has

[1:44:01] Voice 9: nothing to do, does not affect the housing whatsoever. And I understand that it's a

[1:44:05] Voice 9: bureaucratic element and that it's what you're looking for here is a mechanism

[1:44:09] Voice 9: by which to address this question um and i i sympathize uh if you've been swirling around this

[1:44:20] Voice 9: um i i'm if you're swirling talk to us we're the ones who can make those policies if you

[1:44:28] Voice 9: think that there's that policy needs to exist in order for us to move this forward um talk to us

[1:44:33] Voice 9: like call me beforehand and like we can talk about this and we can make that policy with

[1:44:39] Voice 9: resolution without meeting we can we can come to these meetings with tools to move this forward

[1:44:45] Voice 9: and i i'm sorry uh what i see in the next steps is is that we reiterate to steve that he seeks a

[1:44:55] Voice 9: zoning amendment which costs money and takes a bunch of time or a temporary use permit which

[1:45:00] Voice 9: is a whole other discussion about temporary use permits um if what needs to happen here is a

[1:45:07] Voice 9: policy to allow for those considerations to come through. And again, I think what David Graham was

[1:45:12] Voice 9: saying was there's a precedent here in our mechanisms to allow for these considerations

[1:45:18] and

[1:45:18] Voice 9: for us to ratify this information. And if it's a policy we need, let's make a policy like

[1:45:28] Voice 9: yesterday. We keep coming up against these issues where it's like there's a bureaucratic block to

[1:45:35] Voice 9: to fixing a solution for a person that's happening right now and they're being impacted by it

[1:45:38] Voice 9: right now.

[1:45:39] Voice 9: And it's costing them thousands of dollars in many cases.

[1:45:43] Voice 9: And it's nobody's fault that that policy isn't in place, I guess, or at least it's not.

[1:45:51] Voice 9: I'm not interested in pointing blame to that.

[1:45:52] Voice 9: I'm not interested in hammering that over the head.

[1:45:57] Voice 9: But I'm really tired of not being able to help people who are struggling right now and

[1:46:02] Voice 9: who come to us asking for guidance and assistance and for that to be captured within our bylaws

[1:46:07] Voice 9: and being told, oh, well, you make a policy for next time and then solve the thing for

[1:46:12] Voice 9: the next person because there's only 1,200 of us here.

[1:46:16] Voice 9: If I have to wait for each person to come up with a problem and for me to fix a problem

[1:46:20] Voice 9: for the next person, we're going to run out of room real fast and we don't have time.

[1:46:25] Voice 9: So I, if there's a policy like that we can enact to move this forward, I would love to see it.

[1:46:33] Voice 9: I think that's super important and I would love for that not to take another LTC meeting, if at all possible.

[1:46:42] Voice 9: I would

[1:46:42] Voice 6: really like to

[1:46:43] Voice 9: hear from Steve. I know he's got some stuff that's really important to say on this.

[1:46:47] Voice 9: I think Renee's going to respond to you, and then we'll get to you.

[1:46:54] Voice 9: Okay, we're listening.

[1:46:56] Voice 9: No, I appreciate it.

[1:46:59] Voice 9: Okay, thank you.

[1:47:00] Voice 7: So, through the Chair, that was the policy idea was just from me.

[1:47:07] Voice 7: I haven't done any background to know if that's going to be effective to solve this.

[1:47:13] Voice 7: another um perspective i want to share is there's always a challenge with a bylaw you write it

[1:47:22] Voice 7: hoping it'll and some research it'll affect some change and you may not discover that it's not

[1:47:28] Voice 7: meeting your needs until you encounter that and it's never a good situation

[1:47:32] Voice 9: for a property owner

[1:47:34] Voice 9: who's applying to be the high person that that's found out so i think there's stuff don't like this

[1:47:42] Voice 9: situation anymore and i am i'm not trying to suggest these to move

[1:47:46] Voice 7: through that so um

[1:47:49] Voice 7: we couldn't write a policy today but like right now for a resolution we could have a direction um

[1:47:57] Voice 7: and i think using the previous resolution to continue on that path makes sense because

[1:48:04] Voice 7: there's enough direction in there um what i'm hearing from the ltc is to say find another

[1:48:10] Voice 7: find another way um what this report is sharing is the way you can currently provide that yes go

[1:48:19] Voice 7: ahead and do it is not through this process so we still need to go back and figure this

[1:48:25] Voice 7: alternative out is there a resolution that can allow that um

[1:48:31] Voice 9: perhaps it's i'm suggesting perhaps

[1:48:35] Voice 9: perhaps it's a resolution that gives staff

[1:48:38] Voice 9: the direction or the support for,

[1:48:46] Voice 5: and what I'm pausing about is this,

[1:48:49] Voice 7: the subdivision application process,

[1:48:52] Voice 7: because it's just checking against

[1:48:54] Voice 7: what the current law is for to give a pass.

[1:48:57] Voice 7: It can be a

[1:48:59] Voice 9: referral recommendation that staff gives

[1:49:02] Voice 9: with the following pieces noted, right?

[1:49:06] Voice 9: And that doesn't need a resolution.

[1:49:08] Voice 9: we can just let the ministry of transportation know here are some things go ahead and make

[1:49:14] Voice 9: your decision but there's there's support for that so there could be a resolution to state that

[1:49:21] Voice 9: support for for the information in the subdivision to move forward it just it's not part of this

[1:49:31] Voice 9: normal process so i'm mindful to keep um to advise the ltc so you're

[1:49:36] Voice 3: making that a

[1:49:36] Voice 9: clear objective

[1:49:37] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:49:40] Voice 3: So, the applicant is

[1:49:42] Voice 9: very, very, very, very, very much welcome. And, Ben, so, please

[1:49:45] Voice 9: go ahead, Mr.

[1:49:48] Voice 9: I can hand these two out. And these three to you.

[1:49:53] Voice 9: Great.

[1:49:54] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:49:58] Um,

[1:49:59] Voice 9: I've added some things to this that I, uh, that I've been listening to today. I've

[1:50:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): been listening to housing

[1:50:04] Voice 9: ideas and work for hours today. This issue was directly related

[1:50:08] Voice 9: to that. A place for the Island's Trust to prove that they want to walk the walk and not just talk

[1:50:15] Voice 9: the talk. I've distributed emails from the planner from April 12, 2022, plainly stating that a letter

[1:50:23] Voice 9: from

[1:50:24] Voice 6: a long-term resident describing the houses as existing before Island's Trust would be sufficient

[1:50:30] Voice 6: to allow the Island's Trust to detonate the property as legal non-conformity.

[1:50:35] Voice 6: It is generally understood that something written in a business email or letter from a government agency can be construed to be true.

[1:50:46] Voice 6: This item is not included in the new memorandum concerning this issue.

[1:50:51] Voice 6: I have a specific question for the Regent Planner.

[1:50:56] Voice 6: Why is the letter from Kathy Reeder, a neighboring resident with knowledge of the property at the time of dwelling construction, unacceptable?

[1:51:04] Voice 6: acceptable planner bow has

[1:51:07] Voice 9: said that that is what i need i supply that letter i want to know why

[1:51:13] Voice 3: it hasn't been accepted through

[1:51:20] Voice 9: the chair um we've received that information yes um through

[1:51:25] Voice 9: speaking with the uh process to receive that um that evidence we looked at previous

[1:51:34] Voice 9: examples through other files of what was accepted as evidence to inform receiving a neighbor's

[1:51:45] Voice 9: letter would suffice and be acceptable so because we didn't have examples in the north office for

[1:51:53] Voice 9: application files of accepting a neighbor's letter to say we we're vouching right if i can

[1:52:10] Voice 9: So we want to make sure, based on that information, that what is being done is fairly inequitably applied through any subdivision application we would receive.

[1:52:24] Voice 9: So we don't like to make any special concessions that aren't fair to everyone as part of the process.

[1:52:33] Voice 9: we hadn't encountered that piece of information in any subdivision files we've come across so

[1:52:40] Voice 9: this is the piece that we're sitting at where um it wasn't um received as with the supplementary

[1:52:51] Voice 9: um i mean how do i word this um i'm trying to like reduce my technical jargon in my head for

[1:52:58] Voice 9: subdivisions i'm okay with the technical jargon go ahead okay so

[1:53:01] Voice 7: i'm doing this what

[1:53:02] Voice 7: we what we also

[1:53:05] Voice 7: are looking at for evidence is the letter paired with something else to make that information

[1:53:14] Voice 7: receivable as proof the other examples that we have

[1:53:17] Voice 9: referred to in our subdivision processes

[1:53:20] Voice 9: have two pieces of information as well and not just one letter that would be received so

[1:53:27] Voice 9: So there is some of that deliberation.

[1:53:32] Voice 9: However, what it says in this letter, or it

[1:53:37] Voice 6: says I can get invoices for the construction

[1:53:39] Voice 6: of the dwellings.

[1:53:40] Voice 6: That's absurd.

[1:53:41] Voice 6: That's not even, that's not even, how can I do that 50 years ago?

[1:53:46] Voice 6: Datable photos.

[1:53:47] Voice 6: I sent

[1:53:48] Voice 9: a photo and it's an aerial photo.

[1:53:51] Voice 9: It's very hard to read, but it says, or it doesn't say and.

[1:53:55] Voice 9: end or a signed statement from a neighboring resident. That's what I gave you. Tell me

[1:54:05] Voice 9: why it's not acceptable. It says or. It doesn't say it has to be in with something else. It's

[1:54:16] Voice 9: a single item that you asked for that i supplied okay so okay yeah so and just hearing from what

[1:54:27] Voice 9: renee is saying and this is this is stephen wrote this letter so not renee so yes she can't necessarily

[1:54:33] Voice 9: oh i understand but i know i know you do so the island structure could stand behind 100

[1:54:38] Voice 9: yes and let me let me get there so so the the the the component here is that um

[1:54:46] Voice 9: We're trying to determine whether we feel on a systemic level, whether this evidence and this is whether this is sufficient to prove the case.

[1:54:55] Voice 9: That's where the problem is that we don't have a precedent to prove that.

[1:54:59] Voice 9: Right. OK, so precedents happen by doing it the first time.

[1:55:04] Voice 9: Yes.

[1:55:05] Voice 9: Yes, no, no, totally. And I know and I want and I totally appreciate Renee, like you're trying to create a system that you can apply for and use it to support good decision making down the line.

[1:55:14] Voice 9: totally get it. That's fine. And precedents have to be created somewhere. There is a precedent for

[1:55:23] Voice 9: the LTC to accept through a different process, evidence of this nature to support this kind of

[1:55:31] decision. It doesn't apply to this specific type of process. It applies

[1:55:38] Voice 9: to a rezoning,

[1:55:39] Voice 9: not a subdivision. But I think it demonstrates that there is an understanding that that kind of

[1:55:46] Voice 9: endorsement can be necessary and can flow from the LTC, whose job it is to be the humans who

[1:55:51] Voice 9: live on this island and make those decisions. And I understand that you're trying to, you know,

[1:55:59] receive a firm of proof and this sort of thing. And I

[1:56:02] Voice 9: totally appreciate that that's the challenge.

[1:56:04] Voice 9: And I also know, I'm very busy, because I also know you're new to this region and not the job,

[1:56:10] Voice 9: but the region in which you're doing it. I don't envy you for any of those things. And

[1:56:16] And in terms of the values of our community, the values expressed in our OCP, and a very

[1:56:25] solid

[1:56:26] Voice 9: proof from a person that both David and Graham and I know personally, who we have

[1:56:33] Voice 9: absolute trust for, in recognition of the fact that this question is coming up in the

[1:56:40] Voice 9: first place as a byproduct of a totally different process that has nothing to do with housing.

[1:56:44] Voice 9: It is dealing with Steve transferring an orchard to his neighbor whose sons are going to work on it and work the land.

[1:56:54] Voice 9: And again, all of this is in line with our OCP and what our community is trying to do here.

[1:57:02] Voice 9: And you know that these are things that are in line with our community and what we want to do here.

[1:57:07] Voice 9: um what is the what is the value in um lingering in this deliberation stage when

[1:57:19] the the overwhelming preponderance of proof

[1:57:22] Voice 9: is in this is is beside us and in terms of setting

[1:57:26] Voice 9: a precedent and setting a wise precedent i totally understand that that's that's an important and

[1:57:30] Voice 9: dicey business um i think in this instance there is a very strong corroboration of evidence and

[1:57:37] Voice 9: you have two trustees who who have seen it and believe it i have been by not in this house

[1:57:44] Voice 9: it's it's been here for a long time um that's not in question um so

[1:57:50] Voice 9: why are we holding this up at this point i guess is is the thing and i understand you've got to

[1:57:56] Voice 9: create a process for this but like the will is clearly here to move this forward and the idea

[1:58:01] Voice 9: that we would put steve through a rezoning process is entirely uncomfortable um we can't we can't do

[1:58:09] Voice 9: that to steve like this is this is ridiculous this is a totally different process and we have

[1:58:13] Voice 9: precedents that are not specifically here but clearly show that this is the will of the of

[1:58:18] Voice 9: the ltc why

[1:58:21] Voice 3: can we not move forward with this through the chair absolutely thank you trustee

[1:58:28] Voice 9: I would like to, hearing this

[1:58:33] Voice 7: information, hearing your information, Steve, and this

[1:58:39] Voice 7: email, because you raised a good question and a good point, take this back to talk about

[1:58:46] Voice 7: it with the planner, the planner managing the file, which is Planner Bell, because I

[1:58:53] Voice 7: believe there's there's some information here that has some direction through the

[1:59:00] Voice 9: previous resolution

[1:59:00] Voice 9: on an approach and with this recent information if there is an ability to use that to inform this to

[1:59:12] Voice 9: proceed that's going to hear in the thumbnail and the information that you're pointing out steve

[1:59:19] Voice 9: with email correspondence about accepting what's acceptable documentation and your understanding

[1:59:26] Voice 9: has provided um that multiple things or one thing could be accepted i think we really look at that

[1:59:35] Voice 9: and with the intent of how do we move this forward it doesn't need to wait through the chair for

[1:59:42] Voice 9: another ltc meeting to follow up on this we can provide an update to union through

[1:59:49] Voice 9: email correspondence to see who's the final applicant so what i'm suggesting

[1:59:54] Voice 9: from the chair is that we take this might take this back we can look at it

[2:00:00] Voice 9: the file manager to say okay we have this information we have this approach we know

[2:00:05] Voice 9: what we're working with here

[2:00:08] Voice 3: and if you need a motion we can do an rwm to make whatever

[2:00:15] Voice 9: process you need right sir are you going to guarantee me that you're in the chair

[2:00:23] Voice 9: i cannot guarantee any approval so we are so we are back where we were

[2:00:28] Voice 7: the chair i can um what i can get from direction from you is to take your direction of approach

[2:00:39] Voice 9: back in the review of the association at hand for the referral that goes to the ministry who

[2:00:46] Voice 9: then approves the subject you know you don't need any further motions of the one that's already

[2:00:51] Voice 9: been carried i think

[2:00:53] Voice 7: for the purpose of this particular information of what we talked about

[2:00:57] Voice 7: a resolution referring

[2:00:59] Voice 9: that direction if there's something different you want to capture

[2:01:01] Voice 9: would be helpful so um and from my understanding the the the recommendation that the the ministry

[2:01:10] Voice 9: of transportation moved forward with the subdivision is that's currently being held up on

[2:01:14] Voice 9: this point correct i'm just going to look at the yeah yeah no

[2:01:20] Voice 9: it's everything else has been

[2:01:21] Voice 3: approved and box checked so in

[2:01:28] Voice 9: in the in the staff report there's a list of conditions and i if i may

[2:01:34] Voice 9: through the chair reach out to planner about to see more familiar with the details of this

[2:01:38] Voice 9: application um because i'm not clear on if this is the piece that is awaiting for the

[2:01:46] Voice 9: the Ministry of Transparency.

[2:01:49] Voice 9: I don't know how you're back up again.

[2:01:51] Voice 4: Sure.

[2:01:52] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:01:52] Voice 4: So there is a list of conditions that were provided to the applicant.

[2:02:00] Voice 4: So one of them included the development permit that you looked at today,

[2:02:04] Voice 4: the lot frontage waiver.

[2:02:07] Voice 4: There's that.

[2:02:09] Voice 4: So, yeah,

[2:02:10] Voice 4: there's this issue that you've been discussing as well about the two

[2:02:13] Voice 4: dwellings on the one property.

[2:02:16] Voice 4: And if you give me a moment, those are the ones in my memory right now, but there's also servicing requirements.

[2:02:23] Voice 4: So I guess it would take me a little bit to just look through and ensure that we've received everything we need to for each of those items.

[2:02:33] Voice 4: But I guess that list has been provided to the applicant and they're welcome to communicate with me as well about, you know,

[2:02:43] Voice 4: what in particular if anything is is required and i can send a follow-up email um with it with

[2:02:49] Voice 4: anything anything additional that um that i haven't received at this time

[2:02:54] Voice 9: if i may um steven

[2:02:57] Voice 9: just just to sort of i guess restate my my question there is the legal non-conforming status

[2:03:06] Voice 9: of the house on the secondary dwelling on this property standing in the way of that ministry

[2:03:11] Voice 9: of Transportation recommendation.

[2:03:14] Voice 4: There's, so as I say, there's a number of conditions

[2:03:17] Voice 4: and that is one of them

[2:03:18] Voice 4: is to, in some way.

[2:03:20] Voice 4: So

[2:03:21] Voice 9: the Ministry of Transportation needs for us

[2:03:22] Voice 4: to have designated that legal non-conforming

[2:03:24] Voice 9: for us to make that recommendation?

[2:03:27] Voice 4: It, there's, give me one moment, there's-

[2:03:30] Voice 9: Yeah, yeah, no, no, take the time, absolutely.

[2:03:33] Voice 9: So for the chair, I think that will be one

[2:03:36] Voice 9: of a number of conditions that the applicant

[2:03:39] Voice 9: to move through but that's one last condition yeah to

[2:03:43] Voice 7: move through that the ministry of

[2:03:45] Voice 7: transportation has identified they've

[2:03:48] Voice 9: identified that to us as a concern that they have well it's

[2:03:51] Voice 7: it's an outstanding item that needs to be resolved yeah

[2:03:54] Voice 9: so

[2:03:56] Voice 7: there's a list

[2:03:57] Voice 9: that's on our side no this

[2:04:00] Voice 9: is for the applicant so that you have the submission processing is provided information

[2:04:05] Voice 9: to the applicant to satisfy one of them is to resolve the non-conforming so in that way

[2:04:12] Voice 9: through this relook right through this information that's like one item of a list of 10 yeah so my

[2:04:21] Voice 9: question is that but that's between us and the applicant it does not it's not a concern of the

[2:04:27] Voice 9: ministry of transportation that's the question that i'm trying to share because the ministry

[2:04:31] Voice 9: is the final approval is the only approval in your

[2:04:34] Voice 9: subdivision they'll look for um for

[2:04:39] Voice 9: confirmation that it's been resolved and addressed so yeah that's specific on the file

[2:04:47] Voice 9: we'll keep in contact with the applicant so that they know that that item has been

[2:04:55] Voice 9: it's not that specific issue sam it is a general report from islands trust

[2:05:04] Voice 9: to

[2:05:05] Voice 6: the ministry of transportation and infrastructure that all their requirements

[2:05:10] Voice 6: have been met it's not specific to that legal non-conforming it's just a general thing and

[2:05:19] Voice 6: as soon as that is done i'm

[2:05:21] Voice 9: free and clear all of the boxes have been ticked i have sent steven

[2:05:30] Voice 9: all the things would be with this approval of the development application that's the last piece and

[2:05:37] Voice 9: and so is that would you agree with that assessment renee or stephen so so go ahead

[2:05:47] Voice 9: through the chair what i was just going to identify is that um the the information in this

[2:05:59] Voice 9: so we're to the island's trust because we're not the approval authority this is like a layered

[2:06:08] Voice 9: totally yeah i totally totally get those complexities um we

[2:06:12] Voice 7: have uh we provide a

[2:06:14] Voice 7: referral response on

[2:06:16] Voice 9: the land use bylaws that then go back to the ministry of transportation

[2:06:20] Voice 9: and that information is shared. So that's the weird. Yeah,

[2:06:26] Voice 3: no, no, I totally, I'm grasping

[2:06:28] Voice 9: making sure that the island strength bylaws are satisfied, which is what the ministry wants to

[2:06:34] Voice 9: make sure. So I'm asking, I'm asking what seems like a simple question. It's not because my

[2:06:43] Voice 9: understanding the issue. I'm trying to establish a base from which I'm then going to move forward

[2:06:50] Voice 9: with my understanding. I'm dumbing it down for myself because I don't have the knowledge that

[2:06:55] Voice 9: you have. I don't got it. This is one of those talk to me like I'm five moments. It's not because

[2:07:04] Voice 9: I don't understand what this complexity is. I get it. What I'm trying to capture here is in order

[2:07:10] Voice 9: for you to recommend that the ministry of transportation allow this subdivision you

[2:07:17] Voice 9: need to make sure that all our bylaws are being observed right cool perfect so and i from what i

[2:07:27] Voice 9: gather and i'm fairly certain that i know the answer to this already there is no way for us

[2:07:34] Voice 9: to move forward with that recommendation without knowing knowing that we have a process in place

[2:07:39] Voice 9: and that we're establishing some new policies and procedures here in terms of what evidence

[2:07:44] Voice 9: we're going to accept. And despite the fact that we are pretty confident that this body is going to

[2:07:50] Voice 9: accept that evidence, there's no way for us to move that recommendation to the Ministry of

[2:07:56] Voice 9: Transportation forward without

[2:07:58] Voice 3: having already resolved the issue of the non-contact law.

[2:08:09] Voice 9: There's no way for us to recommend that the Ministry of Transportation accept this subdivision

[2:08:19] Voice 9: without having already resolved the question of the non-conforming for legal reasons.

[2:08:27] Voice 9: Through the Chair, I believe that's correct.

[2:08:30] Voice 9: I also want to check the work planner out because he has more of the technical knowledge on the file.

[2:08:39] Voice 4: Yeah, so that's right.

[2:08:41] Voice 4: We received the referral from the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure and evaluated them and look at it on the basis of our bylaws.

[2:08:49] Voice 4: And so if our bylaws are not complied with, then we can't recommend to the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure that all of our conditions have been satisfied.

[2:09:02] Voice 9: Is there a mechanism by which we could make that recommendation and stipulation that, hey, yes, one of our bylaws, one issue with this file, we anticipated being resolved and becoming a non-issue.

[2:09:17] Voice 9: there's no way for us to make that uh nuance in our recommendation to the ministry um and it's

[2:09:26] Voice 9: fine if it's

[2:09:26] Voice 9: no it's it's totally fine if it's no i'm just that's what i'm just trying to establish

[2:09:30] Voice 9: no

[2:09:31] Voice 4: i i um so what we typically do is send a closing letter to the ministry and that's after

[2:09:38] Voice 4: we've received the final plan of subdivision um from the applicant and so uh at that point we

[2:09:45] Voice 4: usually would state that that all of our bylaw conditions have been met if they haven't i mean

[2:09:51] Voice 4: we could i suppose send an email saying these particular ones have been met um but this one

[2:09:57] Voice 4: hasn't um i suppose we could send that that message to the ministry i i don't know what they

[2:10:05] Voice 4: would would do with that but if

[2:10:08] Voice 9: we also added the assurance that we're looking we this currently is

[2:10:14] Voice 9: not it's not in compliance with our bylaws because of a particular issue which we are looking to

[2:10:23] Voice 9: change and make it so that it's possible like you couldn't be like hey this this application

[2:10:30] Voice 9: is all good to go barring this one thing technically however we're going to be doing

[2:10:34] Voice 9: some stuff to make sure that that is not a technical issue in in the future and thus we

[2:10:39] Voice 9: recommend that the subdivision go forward that's not a is that is it possible for us to have that

[2:10:43] Voice 9: level of nuance and communication with the ministry you're the chair um we can't advise

[2:10:48] Voice 9: we're going to not follow our moves okay no that's fine that's and that's what i'm asking to find out

[2:10:53] Voice 9: um but i don't believe i believe a second look at this yeah we're not saying no no i i totally and i

[2:11:02] Voice 9: and i again i'm sorry if it's i've seen aggressive in this it's not personal um i'm just banging my

[2:11:11] Voice 3: head against the system and that's my head's part of the problem.

[2:11:21] Voice 3: Okay, for some reason I remember the audience

[2:11:24] with their hand up who has something pertinent.

[2:11:27] Steve had something to say. So we're gonna go with Steve and then

[2:11:31] I'll

[2:11:32] Voice 9: give you 30 seconds. I just have one thing

[2:11:35] Voice 9: and it's going to be odd and it looks like I'm shooting myself in the foot.

[2:11:41] Voice 9: the denman land use bylaw 186 2.8.1 which is the one that he references in this

[2:11:48] Voice 9: says no lot may be created by subdivision that renders an existing use building or structure

[2:11:57] Voice 9: non-conforming with respect to the siting or density provision of this bylaw okay that means

[2:12:03] Voice 9: that i can't subdivide something that causes a non-conformity is that correct okay so my right

[2:12:13] Voice 9: so my question is i'm already not confirming this subdivision has not rendered it non-conforming

[2:12:24] Voice 9: so this should not apply yeah

[2:12:31] Voice 9: that's a great point and um the bylaws as they're written we have to look at that right

[2:12:44] Voice 9: um because it's not always clear when we're discussing what that rule actually translates

[2:12:51] Voice 9: to in the in the land use bylaw and when it relates to non-conformity non-conformity is

[2:13:00] Voice 9: it makes every throws everything into the grain and subdivision process does not like to be gray

[2:13:07] Voice 9: it likes to be black and white so

[2:13:09] Voice 9: this is the sticking point that staff are also trying to

[2:13:15] Voice 9: I think it's another one of these coloring outside the lines thing and I think that we

[2:13:22] Voice 9: have a great big red crayon and you're trying to get a little bit outside the line and work

[2:13:27] Voice 9: with things.

[2:13:28] Voice 9: If I may, the

[2:13:31] Voice 6: regional planning manager has stated that with this evidence, which is really

[2:13:36] Voice 6: really clear, black and white, there's no gray with this email from the planner, that

[2:13:42] they will reevaluate their

[2:13:44] Voice 6: decision. I think we should take that as an opportunity to move

[2:13:48] Voice 6: forward.

[2:13:51] Voice 9: And may I ask a question? Doesn't necessarily have to wait until the next LTC meeting?

[2:13:57] Voice 9: No, it's not. It's not even our decision. It's a technical thing that the staff does.

[2:14:03] Voice 9: That staff is going to review the package.

[2:14:07] Voice 9: If for some reason there's a resolution needed,

[2:14:11] Voice 9: we can do these resolutions without meetings.

[2:14:13] Voice 9: Perfect.

[2:14:13] Voice 9: So if there's a political requirement, it will be done.

[2:14:19] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:14:19] Voice 9: But let's let the staff re-review,

[2:14:23] Voice 9: which it sounds like they're very much attuned to doing.

[2:14:25] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:14:26] Voice 9: So it's time to smile.

[2:14:27] Voice 9: And hopefully we get a resolution to this

[2:14:31] Voice 9: because sometimes common sense doesn't come into play but i think this is a very good situation

[2:14:39] Voice 9: where common sense does

[2:14:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): have to come into play and let's figure it out i think i think the message

[2:14:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): has been received so

[2:14:47] Voice 9: okay miss 30 seconds yeah

[2:14:49] Voice 7: brian i just wanted to say that this to you it's

[2:14:51] Voice 7: like an example of the kind of concerns that we have and that you guys are having to deal with

[2:14:56] Voice 7: I just want to say that when we look at what are the bylaws serving and who are we as a community

[2:15:04] Voice 7: wasting our time on this particular discussion is a problem. It needs to be seen as a problem

[2:15:10] Voice 7: and it needs what we need so we don't lose confidence. You know, there's this provincial

[2:15:14] Voice 7: review of the Islands Trust. We need to have

[2:15:16] Voice 7: full confidence. We need to have confidence in your

[2:15:18] Voice 7: ability to move forward with decisions, ones that are unimportant and significant only to those

[2:15:24] Voice 7: they're involved and the ones that affect the whole community systemically this is a really good

[2:15:28] Voice 7: example so going back to your planner it would be wonderful when you talk to them you let them know

[2:15:33] Voice 7: that there's an incredible opportunity here to actually come back and say oh you see one neighbor

[2:15:39] Voice 7: and one photo isn't enough we need

[2:15:41] Voice 7: another neighbor another photo or another neighbor in a

[2:15:44] Voice 7: in a statement from the paper and so the big number so you know moving forward you know

[2:15:50] Voice 7: but you know that idea that that we want to hear back from the climbers about how we solve problems

[2:15:58] Voice 7: not just about good

[2:15:59] Voice 9: luck messenger seed thank you now i believe we're kind of due for a 30-minute

[2:16:06] Voice 9: lunch break is this a good time to do that pause through the chair is there any

[2:16:20] Voice 9: If the resolution could be giving staff direction to examine the information that this new information

[2:16:33] Voice 6: mention them a local trust committee asked staff to re-evaluate materials to establish the non-conformity

[2:16:43] Voice 6: legal non-conformity status regarding file

[2:16:47] Voice 9: whatever the file ge dash scd dash 2022.1

[2:16:55] Voice 9: okay second second so you want to make back that motion just make sure that we're

[2:17:03] Voice 9: totally clear uh moved that the demo and local trust committee asked staff to re-evaluate the

[2:17:09] Voice 9: materials to establish the legal non-conforming status regarding file de sub 2022.1 okay

[2:17:19] Voice 9: second second great question all favorite uh i'd like to just just i'm sorry but one minute

[2:17:25] discussion this is and i apologize again and i really appreciate that i want to just say that

[2:17:28] that I really appreciate everyone bearing with me

[2:17:32] on this question.

[2:17:33] I wanna really encourage regional planning manager,

[2:17:38] Virginia Jameret and

[2:17:39] Voice 9: Planner Bob

[2:17:42] Voice 9: to take a board basically what Aaron O'Brien was saying,

[2:17:46] Voice 9: and that this is an opportunity.

[2:17:48] Voice 9: Every time we come up against one of these little roadblocks

[2:17:51] Voice 9: that is grit in the oyster of our planning process,

[2:17:58] Voice 9: We have the potential to make a pearl out of this, and I would really encourage you

[2:18:03] Voice 9: to recognize that there's a tremendous opportunity to prove our willingness to move forward on

[2:18:09] Voice 9: this step.

[2:18:09] Voice 9: And again, I apologize for delaying lunch.

[2:18:14] Voice 9: Very much in support of the motion.

[2:18:17] Voice 9: Let's vote.

[2:18:18] Voice 9: Thank you, politicians.

[2:18:20] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:18:22] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:18:23] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:18:24] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:18:25] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:18:27] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:18:28] Voice 9: All right.

[2:50:04] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:50:14] Voice 9: When I get the email saying.

[2:50:17] Voice 9: You

[2:50:18] Voice 10: want to pick up and go back to 10?

[2:50:22] Voice 9: Yes.

[2:50:23] Voice 9: 10 on the agenda.

[2:50:25] Voice 9: I'll say agenda, yes.

[2:50:28] Voice 9: And we'll get 10 or 11 more.

[2:50:33] Voice 9: Okay, everybody, we're back.

[2:50:37] Voice 9: so we're popping back to where we're supposed to be which is line item 10 which is 10.1 denman

[2:50:45] Voice 9: housing advising planning commission reporting verbal so who's doing the verbal update

[2:50:52] it looks

[2:50:54] Voice 9: like it's the nice young lady with her hand up

[2:50:58] Voice 10: i have

[2:50:58] Voice 10: copies of my report for everybody so you can follow along thank you

[2:51:13] Voice 10: Thank you. I have one extra copy if anybody wants to follow on.

[2:51:21] Voice 10: Thank you. My name is Rhianna Silva.

[2:51:27] Voice 10: Thank you. My name is Rhianna Silva. I'm the chair of the Demand Housing Advisory Planning

[2:51:39] Voice 10: Commission and really happy to be here presenting our report. This is a preliminary,

[2:51:47] Voice 10: preliminary it was the first report um and we are grateful to the damon island local trust

[2:51:52] Voice 10: committee for convening the housing advisory planning commission at this time we've come

[2:51:58] Voice 10: together as a committee of five dedicated community volunteers together we hold a variety

[2:52:03] Voice 10: of skills experience and innovative ideas to help our community reform our housing bylaws

[2:52:08] Voice 10: like most denizens we want to support housing options while we preserve and protect our water

[2:52:13] Voice 10: and island ecosystems the denman housing advisory planning commission has met four times this month

[2:52:19] Voice 10: of july we'll be meeting again tonight at five all are welcome at our table we appreciate trustee

[2:52:26] Voice 10: borthwick's attendance at our july 14th meeting we hope our other denman trustees will feel welcome

[2:52:32] Voice 10: to join us at any or all of our meetings we are committed to completing a review of our land use

[2:52:38] Voice 10: bylaws and ocp with a focus on housing we propose to conduct and have initiated this review using

[2:52:45] Voice 10: recommendations from the many studies conducted on devon island over the past two decades

[2:52:50] Voice 5: we are beginning

[2:52:50] Voice 10: with the battery report on housing recently released in march of 2023

[2:52:55] Voice 10: we anticipate submitting our preliminary report in time for your next salmon island lrpc meeting

[2:53:02] Voice 10: the housing apc meetings are open to all members of the public we engage with the people who come

[2:53:07] Voice 10: to our table to share their concerns and their suggestions of fixes with regards to housing.

[2:53:12] Voice 10: So far our violent engagement has been peaceful and constructive even in moments of disagreement.

[2:53:19] Voice 10: We as well-seasoned denizens anticipate that there will be objections along the way.

[2:53:24] Voice 10: When objections have merit in fact and are not feeding a prejudice or seeking simply to delay,

[2:53:29] Voice 10: we welcome them. We know that fears can indicate valuable needs to be acknowledged and met.

[2:53:36] Voice 10: Our committee wishes to be mindful as we move forward embracing necessary and creative change.

[2:53:42] Voice 10: The following is from our community invitation, which we have sent out to all Dem and publications,

[2:53:47] Voice 10: put onto physical bulletin boards, and published on the Dem and Facebook bulletin boards.

[2:53:52] Voice 10: Quote, there is room for everyone at our table.

[2:53:54] Voice 10: We value and uphold human rights.

[2:53:57] Voice 10: We value nature and are mindful of our duty to protect water and each other.

[2:54:01] Voice 10: What housing by-law fixes do you envision?

[2:54:03] Voice 10: vision? Do you have examples to share with us? Want to hear what we're discussing? Do you have

[2:54:08] Voice 10: stories to share about the impact of each day this housing emergency drags on? We meet every Tuesday

[2:54:14] Voice 10: at 5 p.m. All are welcome at our table. After 20 years of studies and consultations about options

[2:54:21] Voice 10: to house our community, this housing APC and our iterative community process are significant steps

[2:54:27] Voice 10: towards crafting land use bylaws that protect our community and our island ecosystems while meeting

[2:54:34] Voice 10: our obligations to progressively meet the human right to housing the housing apc is concerned to

[2:54:41] Voice 10: see the words review of the denman island land use bylaw number 186 and official community plan

[2:54:46] Voice 10: number 185 focused on housing are completely absent from the ha the housing apc terms of

[2:54:53] Voice 10: reference found on pages 83 and 84 of the staff report to be presented elsewhere in this meeting

[2:55:00] Voice 10: while this topic is clearly political political we are not here for politics we are volunteers

[2:55:05] Voice 10: offering a much needed community service we are clear on what we are tasked to do to support our

[2:55:11] Voice 10: community our community has been consulted 10 times in the past 20 years our community

[2:55:17] Voice 10: overwhelmingly does not want to be surveyed or town hall again until there is something new

[2:55:22] Voice 10: and the value we'll discuss.

[2:55:24] Voice 10: Thank

[2:55:24] Voice 5: you.

[2:55:26] Voice 10: It has all been said before repeatedly.

[2:55:29] Voice 10: We hope that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[2:55:31] Voice 10: will move forward today with a vote to support

[2:55:33] Voice 10: the attached terms of reference for the housing APC.

[2:55:37] Voice 10: We would like to carry on with this vital community service

[2:55:40] Voice 10: to preserve and protect this part of the trust area

[2:55:43] Voice 10: and the unique amenities and environment of Denman Island

[2:55:46] Voice 10: for the benefit of all of Denman Island's residents.

[2:55:50] Voice 10: I'd like to draw your attention to Appendix A, Housing Advisory Planning Commission Terms

[2:55:56] Voice 10: of Reference.

[2:55:57] Voice 10: We are proposing and asking that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee please endorse

[2:56:03] Voice 10: these terms of reference as per By-law number 231 and as per the project initiation documents

[2:56:14] Voice 10: documents which are attached in Appendix D to this report.

[2:56:21] Voice 10: Do you want me to read the terms of reference?

[2:56:24] Voice 9: I think we've already brought them, so we can't make sure.

[2:56:28] Voice 10: So we are specifically asking, back to page one, we're specifically asking for several

[2:56:35] Voice 10: items of support from our trustees, from the Down and Out of the Local Trust Committee.

[2:56:40] Voice 10: We would like you to officially receive and attach this report to the minutes of this

[2:56:47] Voice 10: meeting for future reference.

[2:56:49] Voice 10: We would like you also to endorse the Housing APC Terms of Reference as per the Attached

[2:56:55] Voice 10: Appendix D, sorry, Attached Appendix A.

[2:57:01] Voice 10: We would like to ask the Local Trust Committee to endorse the Daman Island Housing Review

[2:57:06] Voice 10: Timeline and Public Engagement Process that we have provided in Appendix B.

[2:57:11] Voice 10: And we would like you to please ask staff to support the Housing APC as per our request

[2:57:20] Voice 10: on Attached Appendix C.

[2:57:23] Voice 5: Are there any questions?

[2:57:26] Voice 9: Thank you,

[2:57:28] Voice 6: thank you, Rhiannon, and thank you for this judgment.

[2:57:33] Voice 6: I've only really had a day to look at your proposed Terms of Reference and I've got my

[2:57:38] Voice 6: own notes maybe between the the three groups we can we can get something that works for everybody

[2:57:44] Voice 6: we hope

[2:57:46] Voice 10: to be part of those conversations uh rather than being informed by off-island

[2:57:52] Voice 9: interests what it is we should be focusing on because we feel that we have a very good

[2:57:56] Voice 9: grasp on what we need to focus on it's reasonable

[2:57:58] Voice 5: thank

[2:58:00] Voice 9: you thank you and

[2:58:08] Voice 3: just for for the public

[2:58:09] Voice 3: record that they you've done this we by you presenting it we have received it it will be

[2:58:15] part of the minutes so we don't need any motions or any formal action so

[2:58:19] Voice 9: you yourself have taken

[2:58:21] Voice 9: part number one has been taken care of thank

[2:58:25] Voice 5: you all

[2:58:27] Voice 9: right so that's that's enough for everybody

[2:58:32] Voice 9: for for that um so we moved to 2.2 which major project demo housing review project staff report

[2:58:45] Voice 9: and i believe there's staff there you're the chair thank you i can go through the reports uh

[2:58:53] Voice 9: yeah for those who don't know me and there's a topic um i am part of the regional planning team

[2:59:00] Voice 9: Um, so I'm, I'm David from Victoria and, and the planner coming home, but also new projects,

[2:59:08] Voice 9: larger projects.

[2:59:09] Voice 9: We've moved from one now, yeah, that's going to increase in which projects are done.

[2:59:15] Voice 9: So we move to a model where we have a team, um, that, that works on major projects.

[2:59:22] Voice 9: So the advantage of that is that, um, we are able to develop some, um, you know, together

[2:59:29] Voice 9: together. And also, you know, like some extra pieces. So I

[2:59:38] Voice 9: put on some fresh water work with Galeano. And I know I've

[2:59:43] Voice 9: got a thousand contacts on the main island and the Israel that

[2:59:48] Voice 9: was a shot of course, that was back then. Yeah, so um, what I'd

[2:59:56] Voice 9: would like to get as many because this is very

[3:00:00] Voice 9: This is very similar to what I just did on Gabriela.

[3:00:02] Voice 9: Gabriela

[3:00:03] Voice 8: was initiating an OCP process project with a housing focus.

[3:00:10] Voice 8: And this is initiating the housing project.

[3:00:13] Voice 8: So when I say initiating, this is the first time that a project charter has been presented.

[3:00:19] Voice 9: So once the project charter is endorsed, the project is.

[3:00:24] Voice 9: I didn't have

[3:00:25] Voice 9: a question from the community.

[3:00:27] Voice 9: And that was what is a project, and I think the best defined is something that has a goal

[3:00:33] Voice 9: and steps to reach it.

[3:00:37] Voice 8: So in this case, the goal is identified in the project charter,

[3:00:41] Voice 9: and the steps are identified

[3:00:43] Voice 9: and there's pieces of information that support moving towards that goal, identifying goals

[3:00:49] Voice 9: and responsibilities.

[3:00:50] Voice 9: So that's basically what we're moving through right now, so the official initiative of that

[3:00:56] Voice 9: process. So I

[3:00:57] Voice 8: think what I think worked well at the Gabriel meeting that I'll follow through the

[3:01:03] Voice 8: process is to identify what the recommendation is and then I'll go through the piece that's

[3:01:09] Voice 8: connected to that. So that way you can maybe make your resolutions with the information connected

[3:01:16] Voice 8: to it as opposed to going through everything. So the first recommendation here is that the

[3:01:23] Voice 8: the Denman Island Local Trust Committee endorsed the project charter

[3:01:26] Voice 9: for Denman Island Review

[3:01:29] Voice 9: Phase 1 and 2. So I'll just explain a little bit why

[3:01:35] Voice 8: it's Stage 2, Phase 1 and 2. So there

[3:01:38] Voice 9: has

[3:01:38] Voice 8: been, there was a Stage 1, and that was a phase that was initiated in 2022, and that

[3:01:47] Voice 8: involve the consults consultants from that and

[3:01:51] Voice 9: the purpose at that point was to consult

[3:01:57] Voice 9: abc and community members and assisting in identifying necessary updates to the

[3:02:01] Voice 9: the ocp the language file on the community

[3:02:08] Voice 9: so um

[3:02:09] Voice 9: that was a

[3:02:10] Voice 8: consultant red blood process um i think the community i i've had bits and pieces of

[3:02:16] Voice 8: a feedback from me that wasn't the best but when

[3:02:18] Voice 9: I look at it myself I don't think it was

[3:02:22] Voice 9: I don't think it was the right process and I you know I apologize for that and I think it sucks

[3:02:31] Voice 9: and just you're making a report to us yeah and I think they they heard this stuff and

[3:02:37] Voice 9: and it's not going to mean to cut you off

[3:02:44] Voice 9: yeah so so we are working so i did

[3:02:47] Voice 8: when i did develop the project writer i did look through

[3:02:51] Voice 8: um previous business cases and everything so what i'm trying to do is is trying to um

[3:02:56] Voice 8: have consistency right through what's been done before and how it relates and so um that's why

[3:03:04] Voice 8: we got the other one was identified as a stage one and and this one is stage two and phase one and

[3:03:12] Voice 8: two and so because of I think the the previous process like I said I got a lot of feedback that

[3:03:20] Voice 8: it wasn't the best process that the engagement wasn't the best the source we're not starting

[3:03:26] Voice 8: from the beginning because obviously there's 20 years of information up there and and all of that

[3:03:32] Voice 8: been coming to play in this opportunity and so this first phase of the process is looking

[3:03:39] Voice 8: is really you know there is a an engagement process here in any kind of process that we um

[3:03:46] Voice 8: we do do that we engage in we do have to do our due diligence to make sure the community

[3:03:51] Voice 8: understands what's happening and that all of those that have that want to engage have the

[3:03:58] Voice 8: opportunity to engage so that's why we're looking at um this phase one which would would be that

[3:04:06] Voice 8: engagement and i'm also going to identify this is something we haven't talked about yet is that

[3:04:10] Voice 8: there's also a first nations engagement piece to this as well and that's something that as a trust

[3:04:17] Voice 9: we're sort of learning how to do that right so you can we um there's an initial um there's an

[3:04:28] Voice 8: There's an initial letter that's going out to nations, and I understand all trustees

[3:04:35] Voice 8: are reviewing that.

[3:04:37] Voice 8: And that's indicating which projects are on the go for different islands.

[3:04:41] Voice 8: So that's sort of the intro to say, we've got a project going on in London.

[3:04:46] Voice 8: So the next part of that will be following up.

[3:04:49] Voice 8: So that'll probably happen sometime after that letter's

[3:04:52] Voice 9: gone out, there'll be a follow-up

[3:04:55] Voice 9: um where it's a housing project that we're doing you know in the land use from uh amendments that

[3:05:00] Voice 9: relates to a housing project this is what it's looking like out of the way and so because we

[3:05:07] Voice 9: haven't we haven't engaged in that discussion we don't have a relationship with the nations

[3:05:13] Voice 9: at this point so we we don't know what the timing is

[3:05:17] Voice 8: going to be like and how it's going to go and

[3:05:18] Voice 8: And I know on Salt Spring, there's

[3:05:23] Voice 8: been some unpredictability with the timing

[3:05:26] Voice 8: of some of their projects and feedback

[3:05:28] Voice 8: that they've received

[3:05:28] Voice 9: for impersonation.

[3:05:29] Voice 9: So it's important to keep that in mind as we

[3:05:32] Voice 9: move through this process.

[3:05:38] Voice 8: There is work that the ATPC is doing.

[3:05:42] Voice 8: And I do apologize if it isn't clear.

[3:05:46] Voice 8: And we can talk when we get to the, when we get to the, the terms of reference for the

[3:05:53] Voice 8: agency.

[3:05:56] Voice 8: We would appreciate the information

[3:05:59] Voice 9: around making it a bit clearer around the project

[3:06:01] Voice 9: really, the people who really are looking for is, is feedback on on the bylaw, the OCP

[3:06:09] Voice 9: and the options for it.

[3:06:13] Voice 9: it's clear that

[3:06:14] Voice 9: there's

[3:06:17] Voice 9: that's where we're heading here

[3:06:20] Voice 9: I can

[3:06:20] Voice 8: go through the public engagement

[3:06:22] Voice 8: what suggested

[3:06:24] Voice 8: whenever I present this stuff for the first time

[3:06:27] Voice 8: I like to

[3:06:29] Voice 8: refer to it as a straw dog

[3:06:31] Voice 9: you've got to have something out there to talk about

[3:06:33] Voice 9: so it's out there

[3:06:34] Voice 9: you can talk about it

[3:06:36] Voice 9: you guys are the ultimate decision makers

[3:06:38] Voice 9: this is just ideas based on

[3:06:40] Voice 9: on me thinking through the process,

[3:06:43] Voice 9: me consulting my colleagues on processes.

[3:06:45] Voice 9: Other elements that go into considering timing

[3:06:48] Voice 9: and that sort of thing is also looking

[3:06:50] Voice 9: at how the timing of other projects

[3:06:53] Voice 9: and how everything is forward.

[3:06:55] Voice 9: So that's what you're seeing here in terms of timing.

[3:06:59] Voice 9: So based on getting information here and then

[3:07:05] Voice 9: receiving the input from the information

[3:07:07] Voice 9: we see what happens.

[3:07:10] Voice 9: I think and yeah, just yeah. The second phase. Second phase of

[3:07:25] Voice 9: the project charter is looking at the drafting of the bylaws.

[3:07:30] Voice 9: And there is, you know, there is a consultation piece here,

[3:07:35] Voice 9: depending on it sounds to me that there's going to be a

[3:07:39] Voice 9: number of options right i mean because what we're talking about here is creating the opportunity for

[3:07:45] Voice 9: more flexibility um for more um diversity and options in housing so there's changes that will

[3:07:53] Voice 9: be have to be made to the ocp to enable that flexibility um there are a variety of land use

[3:08:00] Voice 9: by law changes um you know they um taking away the tups for

[3:08:05] Voice 8: um adus or something frequently and

[3:08:08] Voice 8: that's absolutely definitely a priority is what we already know um there's there's other things um

[3:08:14] Voice 9: that can also be looked at like the uh um uh again main island's flexible housing like

[3:08:20] Voice 9: limiting um floor area uh allowing additional units within a maximum floor area because then

[3:08:28] Voice 9: you're you're looking at uh and again it's also like what i mean very strongly is like you know

[3:08:33] Voice 9: or gain personal property values right um

[3:08:36] Voice 8: so you know that's that so there are a variety of things

[3:08:40] Voice 8: um and what is hoped is that by the end of this year we come we come up with that list it's really

[3:08:45] Voice 8: clear what that list is and you've

[3:08:47] Voice 9: got and you and trustees are feeling like the community is

[3:08:52] Voice 9: supporting the those options that you want to move forward with um and there's always a caution

[3:08:58] Voice 9: that there's always people that come out of the wood of the woodwork and

[3:09:02] Voice 8: you're actually putting

[3:09:04] Voice 8: So this process, the additional process here is looking at the probably questions that are going to come up around specific changes, right. So,

[3:09:17] Voice 9: yeah,

[3:09:18] Voice 8: flexible housing, but we did it on me but what does it look like for them. That's going to be very specific conversation, potentially, maybe some other things.

[3:09:27] Voice 8: You may want to look at specific properties, for example, that could take on a bit more

[3:09:33] Voice 9: modesty, where there's maybe a more opportunity for smaller units, a variety of units.

[3:09:41] Voice 9: I know there's conversation in the community, we've heard it already, around the co-op housing,

[3:09:49] Voice 9: sort of like multi-unit kind of cooperative.

[3:09:52] Voice 9: I mean, so it's

[3:09:55] Voice 10: creating the zoning and

[3:09:57] Voice 9: allowing those to happen, and that's the thing.

[3:09:59] Voice 9: Your job is to make the decisions around the lands, right?

[3:10:05] Voice 9: And then there's just the basic legislative process.

[3:10:08] Voice 9: So that's just explaining a little bit about the

[3:10:12] Voice 10: plan on this.

[3:10:13] Voice 9: The other related piece to this in the next resolution is the third resolution on here

[3:10:21] Voice 9: recommendation is around the

[3:10:23] Voice 8: engagement plan so i thought i just um and i think there's a little bit

[3:10:26] Voice 8: of i

[3:10:27] Voice 6: like your initial suggestion that we look at each piece yeah so sure i'd rather not okay yeah

[3:10:34] Voice 9: we're

[3:10:34] Voice 6: gonna get the project charter yeah and maybe we could just

[3:10:36] Voice 9: look at the pieces here

[3:10:38] Voice 9: yeah yeah yeah yeah then move on and then

[3:10:41] Voice 9: move on there's

[3:10:42] Voice 8: just so much information i had it all

[3:10:43] Voice 8: figured out at the beginning that we're doing great

[3:10:45] Voice 8: so thanks trustee graham um so let's pause

[3:10:49] Voice 8: there and see um questions about the project starter and maybe some discussion are we going

[3:10:54] Voice 10: to get a chance to respond to that because we did have some specific asks in our report that

[3:11:00] Voice 10: were not addressed are we

[3:11:01] Voice 9: going to be able to address those in conjunction if

[3:11:06] Voice 6: i may thank you

[3:11:07] Voice 6: chair um what i'd like what it's going to be easy for for me as a trustee is to is to work with what

[3:11:13] Voice 6: the flatter has given us make whatever changes that we decided that i want to look at what we

[3:11:20] Voice 6: are looking at and

[3:11:22] Voice 9: then look at what we're proposing and see how far off we are on the team

[3:11:26] Voice 9: but that's that would work for me that process is something that i can get my hand

[3:11:30] Voice 9: So very, very compartmentalized, rip into Marissa's

[3:11:36] Voice 6: report on each of those stages, make whatever changes we've already been thinking about, Sam and I and David, and then review what we think we've got with what your group is proposing and see how far off or how close we are.

[3:11:51] Voice 6: if we're far off i don't know what to do then i think we're close and hoping that it's close

[3:11:57] Voice 6: enough that we can book your group and this group and feel comfortable with what we've got

[3:12:02] Voice 6: because

[3:12:03] Voice 9: for the writer our group is not happy with the staff report yeah that's fine

[3:12:07] Voice 9: that's

[3:12:08] Voice 6: okay well

[3:12:09] Voice 6: we're not the staff report is this planner um but marissa said this i have to start with something

[3:12:15] Voice 6: so this is like a template that's been used in other islands it's a good starting place

[3:12:20] Voice 6: I would say

[3:12:24] Voice 8: this is actually new, it's not, we haven't used this approach yet.

[3:12:29] Voice 8: Even better.

[3:12:30] Voice 8: I mean, the template at Project Target is, I'd say, a ripper way.

[3:12:36] Voice 8: And the other thing that I want to point out is you can endorse this now, you can change it later.

[3:12:41] Voice 8: If you don't endorse these now, then

[3:12:43] Voice 9: the project doesn't start.

[3:12:45] Voice 9: I realize that.

[3:12:47] Voice 9: yeah yeah so um so in scope um when i see

[3:12:54] Voice 9: yeah let us it's going to be impossible for me to do

[3:13:04] Voice 6: my work if there's too many people talking

[3:13:06] Voice 6: i'm sorry um so in scope when i see public engagement to understand housing needs that's

[3:13:11] Voice 6: your number one bullet that's a red flag for me the housing needs are known so i'm not sure i

[3:13:20] Voice 6: want to engage the public and give them questions the first time i want to engage the public i want

[3:13:24] Voice 6: to present solutions so i'm really hoping that our first public engagement the housing advisory

[3:13:31] Voice 6: planning commission work is pretty much complete those suggestions have come to us we've endorsed

[3:13:38] Voice 6: endorse them, edit them, add it to them, subtract it to them.

[3:13:42] Voice 6: But then we want to go to the community and say,

[3:13:44] Voice 6: this is what we think is going to work.

[3:13:49] Voice 6: That's my feeling.

[3:13:51] Voice 6: And the reason I say that is because, by and large,

[3:13:53] Voice 6: the majority of Demanoliders don't care.

[3:13:57] Voice 6: It's not that they're not the people.

[3:13:59] Voice 6: It's just that they live busy lives,

[3:14:01] Voice 6: and they don't really know what's going on here.

[3:14:03] Voice 6: And that's fair enough.

[3:14:04] Voice 6: Most islands are run, as I said, a number of times,

[3:14:06] Voice 6: so I'll go 30 people.

[3:14:09] Voice 6: that's how it works. And they already know what's going on. So the people that are going to show up, by and large, know what's going on. And to try and engage with a majority of people and try to tease out what they think their housing needs is a waste of time.

[3:14:24] Voice 6: Mr.

[3:14:24] Voice 9: Chair, I have a question. So should we change that to public engagement for feedback on options?

[3:14:31] Voice 9: Perfect.

[3:14:31] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:14:31] Voice 9: Perfect.

[3:14:34] Voice 6: Yep.

[3:14:35] Voice 6: Pretty much just remove the first bullet and your second bullet covers just what you said.

[3:14:39] Voice 6: Okay, perfect.

[3:14:39] Voice 6: um and i'm happy with the consideration of environmental implications and and i'm really

[3:14:46] Voice 6: happy with the amendments to the ocp wb2 resourcing blah blah blah so that in scope works uh i don't

[3:14:52] Voice 6: have a problem without a scope and the objective is that's clear so i just that's that's my two

[3:14:57] Voice 6: cents worth on that section i don't know if it's worth it because no i mean

[3:15:01] Voice 9: that's pretty much

[3:15:02] Voice 9: which, where I was going to go with that as well.

[3:15:06] Voice 3: I mean, yeah, I

[3:15:14] Voice 9: just, we've done a public engagement to death,

[3:15:17] Voice 9: and it's, we're not walking into this blind.

[3:15:21] Voice 9: And obviously, like you're trying to establish a tool,

[3:15:23] Voice 9: which will be used elsewhere, and that's great,

[3:15:25] Voice 9: and that will be a necessary part of that process in those instances.

[3:15:29] Voice 9: In this instance, we're lucky.

[3:15:31] Voice 9: We've already done a fixed one.

[3:15:33] Voice 3: We're lucky to do?

[3:15:43] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:15:44] Voice 3: Yeah. Okay. So the work plan overview,

[3:15:46] Voice 6: housing needs assessment update, I think, is that

[3:15:53] Voice 6: the HAPC update? What's the housing needs assessment update?

[3:16:00] Voice 8: Yeah. So the housing needs assessment hasn't been updated by our co-op student. They've

[3:16:10] Voice 8: done the the qualitative um um work it's if if you wanted more uh some some quantitative um

[3:16:19] Voice 8: update what i'm hearing is is you don't think it's necessary so we can take that we can take

[3:16:24] Voice 8: that up and so i would say you probably need this update and we're almost finished

[3:16:29] Voice 8: so um

[3:16:29] Voice 9: it would be it's pretty much still idle it's almost done yeah um now that the

[3:16:36] Voice 6: The Mabry was, in their proposal to the Audits Trust, were going to contact First Nations, but they didn't.

[3:16:43] Voice 8: Sorry, I didn't catch that.

[3:16:44] Voice 6: Mabry, the consulting firm that was tasked to do the meetings, in their proposal, was going to contact First Nations, but they didn't.

[3:16:53] Voice 6: So they had not been contacted yet.

[3:16:56] Voice 6: That's correct.

[3:16:57] Voice 6: And are we waiting for the Press Programs Director for that communication?

[3:17:03] Voice 6: Can we not just make a simple letter to say, hey, I thought you should know we're looking at housing on Demand.

[3:17:13] Voice 6: A, are you interested in participating? If you are, how would you like to be participating?

[3:17:19] Voice 6: And B, if you're not, thank you very much, because I doubt very much if they're going to want to spend too much time on housing on Demand.

[3:17:26] Voice 6: That's just my own personal sense.

[3:17:28] Voice 6: I mean, I've already seen what they are asking the feds as far as their

[3:17:40] Voice 6: defense are talking nation to nation and they create a document which gives First Nations

[3:17:45] Voice 6: governance and all those wonderful things. And as part of that discussion,

[3:17:49] Voice 9: they looked at

[3:17:50] Voice 6: them and they said, we're only interested in Sandy Island or what we used to

[3:17:53] Voice 6: call it, TRION, that's what you call it. And they really had no interest in anything that

[3:18:00] Voice 6: was going on. And that's what they said during the discussion with the feds. So my guess

[3:18:05] Voice 6: is they're not going to be that interested in spending too much time on a housing review.

[3:18:09] Voice 6: So I'd like to get that, I'd like to know that right up front, so we don't get sidelined

[3:18:14] Voice 6: down the road, like other local trusts can use that. So that's, that's the request. Can

[3:18:20] Voice 6: we do that?

[3:18:20] Voice 6: yeah

[3:18:21] Voice 9: you certainly can um so um

[3:18:23] Voice 8: um so the intention was the thinking was we'd wait for

[3:18:28] Voice 8: the letter the other way then send a letter follow-up but we can certainly send just go

[3:18:33] Voice 8: send that letter and i think we can um i think we'll add another um resolution um and i'll just

[3:18:40] Voice 9: write it up when you get to that part um to um to do that yeah just to that i had the benefit

[3:18:50] Voice 9: of running into Councilor Lingman from the Comox First Nations Council yesterday.

[3:18:57] Voice 9: And her partner is from Denman.

[3:19:00] Voice 9: She's very aware of what's happening in terms of housing.

[3:19:04] Voice 9: And the brief discussion we had on that was that they really understand

[3:19:10] Voice 9: that there's a need and they're keen to see that happen.

[3:19:15] Voice 9: So that was the discussion.

[3:19:17] Voice 9: I hope she can't speak, obviously, for the entire council.

[3:19:19] Voice 9: I look forward to hearing from them formally.

[3:19:22] Voice 6: Cool.

[3:19:23] Voice 6: So now we've got the review and prioritization of the housing options by the Housing Advisory Plan Commission.

[3:19:29] Voice 6: And then our first public engagement will happen right after we've got the local trust committee has endorsed those housing options.

[3:19:39] Voice 6: Great.

[3:19:40] Voice 6: Now we come to the suitable land build-out analysis.

[3:19:43] Voice 6: So I know this is an important piece for down the road, but I've been thinking a lot about this.

[3:19:50] Voice 6: And suitable land analysis works great if the land is empty.

[3:19:55] Voice 6: It's a blank slate. And then aquifer recharge and all these things play into it.

[3:20:01] Voice 6: But what we're dealing with on Denver right now is most of the solutions are going to happen on land that already have houses.

[3:20:10] Voice 6: There's no big tracks where we can say, oh yeah, we'll put affordable housing here.

[3:20:14] Voice 6: We just don't have those tracks, we have no Crown land left, we've reverted it to Park.

[3:20:19] Voice 3: It's all privately owned.

[3:20:22] Voice 3: So that's my concern.

[3:20:28] Voice 8: You'll have that information anyways, it's being done on a trust-wide level, there's

[3:20:32] Voice 8: none on my time.

[3:20:33] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:20:35] Voice 8: That's a regional filing team, a filing committee project, so whether you want to use it or

[3:20:41] Voice 6: or not?

[3:20:41] Voice 6: Well, my concern is that we say, oh, from a planning perspective, we should really wait until we have that. I don't want to wait for that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[3:20:51] Voice 8: And as you can see, like I

[3:20:55] Voice 9: said, that works for you. So it's going to be available to you whether you want to use it or not.

[3:21:01] Voice 9: Great, thank you. I didn't have any problems with phase two

[3:21:07] Voice 6: other than I just put

[3:21:09] Voice 6: fourth tuner on every single line. So I know these dates, they don't mean anything really,

[3:21:16] Voice 6: they're just placeholders for dates, right? Yeah and

[3:21:21] Voice 6: I'll say to

[3:21:21] Voice 8: the chair, it's just about

[3:21:24] Voice 8: being realistic and not tightening expectations around timing

[3:21:29] Voice 8: because

[3:21:30] Voice 8: to um then it becomes very stressful

[3:21:32] Voice 9: when you're managing another project and also if there's

[3:21:36] Voice 9: legal reviews that need to happen and it very well might have happened earlier and honestly for

[3:21:42] Voice 9: i hope it does um but but i don't want to raise expectations

[3:21:46] Voice 9: um well just i mean depending to be from from from the hjpc has about again i think these are

[3:21:57] Voice 9: draft timelines. We've got to recognize

[3:21:59] Voice 9: that all of these things are predicted in the future,

[3:22:01] Voice 9: which is a tricky business.

[3:22:04] Voice 9: I don't see you guys

[3:22:05] Voice 9: have not had a terribly long time

[3:22:07] Voice 9: to review any of this documentation

[3:22:09] Voice 9: either.

[3:22:13] Voice 9: These seem like

[3:22:15] Voice 9: if we are

[3:22:17] Voice 9: moving past

[3:22:18] Voice 9: a comprehensive public engagement

[3:22:20] Voice 9: component, if we're

[3:22:23] Voice 9: assuming, and we are

[3:22:24] Voice 9: saying that that's not, we don't

[3:22:27] Voice 9: me to start from from scratch on that that component um where you're looking at these

[3:22:32] Voice 9: timelines even now is there is there do you have a sense of how they scale against your expectations

[3:22:39] Voice 9: i know that's

[3:22:40] Voice 9: not fair it doesn't change too much honestly because i think what i'm hearing here is

[3:22:44] Voice 8: that what it means

[3:22:45] Voice 8: is let's work for me i appreciate that um because what i'm hearing

[3:22:49] Voice 8: is um from trustee graham is that there is interest in having some feedback on the options

[3:22:55] Voice 8: chosen by the housing agency.

[3:22:57] Voice 9: You decide

[3:22:58] Voice 8: based on their feedback and so they're delivering that

[3:23:02] Voice 8: in October. Then you know in terms of being able to plan meetings and that sort of thing we're

[3:23:07] Voice 8: looking at at least the end of November sort of thing when

[3:23:10] Voice 9: you're deciding on what those options

[3:23:14] Voice 9: are going to be. So it doesn't really change the timing that much and again if we can move it

[3:23:24] Voice 9: So you see the appendix field that was presented to us by the advisory committee is recently in alignment with your expectations.

[3:23:35] Voice 9: What I'm saying is the timing that I'm presenting to you, I encourage you to stick with that because it's, again, it's not raising expectations.

[3:23:47] Voice 9: It's giving us that wiggle room.

[3:23:49] Voice 9: own potential. And I don't think that we could effectively expedite that. I mean, again,

[3:23:56] Voice 9: I don't want to raise expectations around tenure. So we could move faster, but I would

[3:24:03] Voice 8: say let's not change

[3:24:04] Voice 9: it. No, I didn't. And then the

[3:24:08] Voice 9: other thing that happens with these

[3:24:10] Voice 9: projects, they may get held up on particular things. I mean, we're heading into something

[3:24:15] Voice 9: you don't know so

[3:24:16] Voice 6: ideally though spring of 2024 which is not that far away we're done well again

[3:24:23] Voice 8: i mean we'll have to see right i know but um and i just give the example from maine island we're

[3:24:29] Voice 8: going to they're doing a very simple minor um lub ocp amendment that project is not going to be

[3:24:36] Voice 8: finished until may and that's a project that doesn't involve very much public engagement at

[3:24:40] Voice 9: all it's simple changes technical changes to the language by law and OCP so when you look at the

[3:24:46] Voice 9: process and when we look at it so so I would say my

[3:24:52] Voice 8: friend is really very very optimistic and almost

[3:24:55] Voice 8: I like that but again I don't I

[3:25:00] Voice 9: just don't want to promise anything so that's what we're aiming

[3:25:04] Voice 9: for nothing else but effectively we're like if we're saying there's a lot of the elements here

[3:25:10] Voice 9: that are in phase one of the work that we're recognizing where we can strike or are not.

[3:25:19] Voice 9: There's a lot of elements here that can happen concurrently with

[3:25:22] Voice 9: getting into actual interrogating the bylaws. Well,

[3:25:26] Voice 8: that's already happening, right? That's

[3:25:27] Voice 8: what the direction to the data you can see is to start looking at those.

[3:25:32] Voice 9: So looking at that then, so looking at a bylaw drafting,

[3:25:35] Voice 9: And again, I know these dates are imaginary, but that's set to start in January, but it's

[3:25:43] Voice 9: starting in July.

[3:25:44] Voice 9: Considering that this year is the write-off, we're getting this feedback in November, or

[3:25:49] Voice 9: in October.

[3:25:51] Voice 9: Then in November, we do outreach.

[3:25:54] Voice 9: Well, we're getting our first bit of the feedback at our next LTC.

[3:25:58] Voice 9: Yeah, exactly.

[3:25:59] Voice 9: Which is October.

[3:26:00] Voice 9: Fantastic.

[3:26:01] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:26:02] Voice 9: Cool.

[3:26:03] Voice 9: Cool. So the plants are aligning.

[3:26:06] Voice 9: The plants are aligning.

[3:26:09] Voice 9: I'm okay with

[3:26:10] Voice 9: those changes that I

[3:26:11] Voice 9: invented.

[3:26:15] Voice 9: I don't like, I mean, I don't think

[3:26:17] Voice 9: in terms of, well, no, no, the process we talked

[3:26:19] Voice 9: about in terms of like we're going through, you know,

[3:26:21] Voice 9: bit by bit, we've had

[3:26:23] Voice 9: a bit of back and forth.

[3:26:27] Voice 9: Is there any feedback

[3:26:28] Voice 9: that we want to, and we don't

[3:26:30] Voice 9: have to, but.

[3:26:30] Voice 9: from about being the first page from from from our agency there's

[3:26:39] Voice 9: a link that we talked about

[3:26:40] Voice 9: we're going to see where you know

[3:26:42] Voice 9: make changes make our thing align and then see how different

[3:26:45] Voice 9: they are make that contrast sure cool but

[3:26:49] Voice 3: that will lead that to the description of the chair

[3:26:55] Voice 3: Can we

[3:26:56] Voice 9: see if the HAPC has any questions on the project charter?

[3:27:01] Voice 9: Just that.

[3:27:01] Voice 9: Yeah, so, yes please.

[3:27:04] Voice 9: Does the project

[3:27:04] Voice 10: charter include the

[3:27:06] Voice 9: terms of reference?

[3:27:06] Voice 9: No, just separate things, yeah.

[3:27:09] Voice 9: And where on the project charter are public hearings of the change in violence?

[3:27:15] Voice 9: you're on the first reading

[3:27:18] Voice 6: second reading and hence your approval it's all on the

[3:27:21] Voice 9: page two pretty interesting second reading but those readings take place at the LTC

[3:27:29] Voice 9: this is their normally uh requirement for a couple of years

[3:27:33] Voice 9: public hearing is right there

[3:27:39] Voice 9: well they missed yeah

[3:27:41] Voice 10: I can have that

[3:27:42] Voice 9: I'm sorry that's

[3:27:43] Voice 9: have a clarification and that's just typo sort of i apologize review should help public hearing

[3:27:56] Voice 9: great um other than that what's what's on that page so then thank you for having that

[3:28:03] Voice 9: is there anything else that's and and bear in mind that these timelines are not necessarily

[3:28:10] Voice 9: Um, I think you've been clear about the, um, not waiting for the Superman, and they'll

[3:28:17] Voice 9: have analysis.

[3:28:18] Voice 9: That was so concerned to us that that might be related to projects.

[3:28:22] Voice 9: Yeah, totally.

[3:28:23] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:28:24] Voice 9: And so it's awesome.

[3:28:28] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:28:28] Voice 9: Cool.

[3:28:29] Voice 9: All right.

[3:28:30] Voice 9: So this component where do you want to just do want to make the motion then to adopt this

[3:28:35] Voice 9: amendment?

[3:28:36] Voice 9: Sorry, Virginia.

[3:28:37] Voice 9: One other one is, I don't have a scope amendment of policies outside the OCP and OUP.

[3:28:45] Voice 9: Is it possible for us to recommend changes to policies that are outside the OCP and OUP?

[3:28:52] Voice 9: Certainly some have come up in meetings already.

[3:28:55] Voice 9: Yeah, to the chair.

[3:28:57] Voice 8: So that is kind of the purpose of the housing action plan.

[3:29:02] Voice 9: And

[3:29:02] Voice 8: again, like when I say housing action plan, I'm just, you know,

[3:29:07] Voice 9: It identifies all of the other VLTP changes that are recommended and puts them into categories and then there's a section for the other stuff, right? And there'd be some categories for the other stuff.

[3:29:20] Voice 9: In

[3:29:20] Voice 8: the case of me, we've got developing partnerships with non-profit housing providers, which speaks to the relationship with the

[3:29:29] Voice 9: health care program, which is a topic that's sort of a part of it.

[3:29:38] Voice 9: But even though this is out of scope on this definition, we're

[3:29:42] Voice 9: still working on that.

[3:29:43] Voice 9: yeah

[3:29:44] Voice 8: so that's that's where the opportunity is to put those things and when i'm hearing a lot

[3:29:48] Voice 8: um from the discussions around the table there's a lot of things that are coming up that belong

[3:29:53] Voice 8: in an actual plan things like um um you know somebody's saying that the referendum on tax is

[3:29:59] Voice 8: going to

[3:30:00] Voice 8: affordable housing i mean there's related things um for example there is a um there is a uh what

[3:30:07] Voice 8: they call it municipal and regional district tax that can be taxed on vacations and tools that

[3:30:11] Voice 8: that could be going directly and that's that's a conversation with the regional district so things

[3:30:16] Voice 8: like that they need to be captured for the community because then you've got them and then

[3:30:22] Voice 8: you've got you can strategize around how to move forward around those so absolutely come up with

[3:30:27] Voice 8: those and let's land them let's put them into your plan the work for these people here is to make

[3:30:33] Voice 8: those changes on the land use by law and um and then um you know i think that collectively we

[3:30:39] Voice 8: start to figure out how

[3:30:40] Voice 9: to how to work that other stuff right because we are we are having

[3:30:45] Voice 9: conversations with the regional district um um

[3:30:48] Voice 8: we've initiated some conversation with them um we

[3:30:51] Voice 8: are you know the conversations uh there are conversations that are being you know we recognize

[3:30:55] Voice 8: that there's challenges with how the health authority addresses some of the island's issues.

[3:31:04] Voice 8: So these are all things that we, as planners and staff, have landed under things that we

[3:31:10] Voice 8: can offer for your community, and

[3:31:12] Voice 9: so that's what we're doing.

[3:31:12] Voice 9: So just so that I'm clear on all of that, because that's the work itself.

[3:31:20] Voice 9: Having policies outside the OCP and LUB on the out-of-scope sections still allows for all of that conversation.

[3:31:28] Voice 10: Absolutely.

[3:31:30] Voice 9: I'm only worried about this document right now.

[3:31:32] Voice 9: The

[3:31:33] Voice 8: actual work of doing those things.

[3:31:34] Voice 9: The

[3:31:35] Voice 8: way that we put it in the main action plan is there's the where and the what, and that's the bylaw stuff.

[3:31:47] Voice 8: and

[3:31:47] Voice 9: i just i'm just worried about this this document right there making sure that's the

[3:31:51] Voice 8: house right now that's great how much the housing has to get

[3:31:55] Voice 9: built is the piece so

[3:31:59] Voice 9: perhaps have some clarity on that i would still

[3:32:03] Voice 9: basically right now if we take our project charter it says don't go there

[3:32:08] Voice 9: and we know that we can't it's going to be very difficult to not go there

[3:32:13] Voice 9: to

[3:32:15] Voice 8: the chair we could add an in scope bullet um that relates to identify um opportunity or okay

[3:32:22] Voice 8: identify um advocacy policy yeah well advocacy policy

[3:32:29] Voice 9: and action plan additional action plan

[3:32:32] Voice 9: their recommendation

[3:32:45] Voice 8: I

[3:32:46] Voice 6: mean, my only concern is that that's like the garnish on the plate, but I want the protein

[3:32:56] Voice 6: and the vegetables to be your

[3:32:57] Voice 6: focus. That's OCP

[3:32:59] Voice 6: LUB. Advocacy

[3:33:01] Voice 6: policies are important, but they're all

[3:33:03] Voice 6: long-term goals.

[3:33:06] Voice 6: Let's really

[3:33:07] Voice 6: prioritize your

[3:33:09] Voice 6: recommendations to

[3:33:10] Voice 6: critical goals.

[3:33:13] Voice 6: If you've got time and you've got the patience

[3:33:15] Voice 6: and you've got the energy, then you could

[3:33:17] Voice 6: have a list

[3:33:19] Voice 6: of advocacy policies for things

[3:33:21] Voice 6: that are outside of the OCP. It would be fine.

[3:33:23] Voice 6: I just don't want that to hijack

[3:33:25] Voice 6: And I don't want to hijack your community information meeting either.

[3:33:28] Voice 6: That's fair.

[3:33:29] Voice 6: I'm anticipating a strong no vote in those community information meetings.

[3:33:35] Voice 6: Don't be surprised.

[3:33:36] Voice 6: And sometimes the thing you don't expect that will sidetrack your conversation is the thing

[3:33:43] Voice 6: that .

[3:33:44] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:33:45] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:33:45] Voice 9: Unfortunately, some of the cases that are out of scope would be, form pretty big barriers

[3:33:55] Voice 9: just to look at all of the debate around Steve's issue.

[3:33:59] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:34:00] Voice 9: Which issue?

[3:34:01] Voice 9: Steve's.

[3:34:02] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:34:03] Voice 9: Right.

[3:34:04] Voice 9: Oh.

[3:34:05] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:34:07] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:34:08] Voice 9: So we're going to add that bullet into in scope.

[3:34:11] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:34:12] Voice 9: Correct.

[3:34:14] Voice 9: So we've dealt with this part.

[3:34:19] Yeah.

[3:34:20] Do you want to do a series of motions at the end when she's finished doing everything, or do you

[3:34:27] Voice 9: want to do this stuff one more time?

[3:34:28] Voice 9: If you want to go forward with this one, because we've discussed it, I would add as amended.

[3:34:38] Voice 9: Let's knock some things off our plate.

[3:34:41] Voice 9: You want me to do it?

[3:34:44] Voice 9: Sure.

[3:34:46] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:34:46] Voice 9: Yeah, I'll wait.

[3:34:49] Voice 9: All right.

[3:34:49] Voice 9: it's you captured the amendments or is it uh yes i did so the amendments that i have are basically

[3:35:00] Voice 9: to remove um the system needs assessment um identify as an in-scope identify advocacy

[3:35:09] Voice 9: policies and other um action plan items um and adding public yeah public care

[3:35:15] Voice 9: it's also removing the first bullet in the in-scope public

[3:35:23] Voice 9: there's two instances all right i move that the denman island local trust committee

[3:35:32] Voice 9: endorse the project charter for the denham island housing review project stage two phase one and two

[3:35:42] Voice 9: The project.

[3:35:44] Voice 9: Any discussion.

[3:35:46] Voice 9: As.

[3:35:47] Voice 9: Stage two.

[3:35:49] Voice 9: Phase one.

[3:35:50] Voice 9: As amended.

[3:35:52] Voice 9: We.

[3:35:53] Voice 9: The.

[3:35:54] Voice 9: Charter.

[3:35:55] Voice 9: Yes.

[3:35:57] Voice 9: Just by capturing it.

[3:35:59] Voice 9: And that's what we want to do.

[3:36:00] Voice 9: Yep.

[3:36:01] Voice 9: That's what we've been told.

[3:36:02] Voice 9: Anyways.

[3:36:03] Voice 9: Usually.

[3:36:05] Voice 9: No.

[3:36:06] Voice 9: So.

[3:36:09] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:36:10] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:36:10] Voice 9: We're not amending the motion for the mandate.

[3:36:20] Voice 9: Just for clarity, we're endorsing the amended project charter.

[3:36:25] Voice 9: Sure.

[3:36:26] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:36:28] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:36:29] Voice 3: All right.

[3:36:31] Voice 9: Let's vote.

[3:36:32] Voice 9: All in favor?

[3:36:33] Voice 9: I'm down.

[3:36:35] Voice 9: All right.

[3:36:36] Voice 9: Let's try to get terms of reference.

[3:36:39] Voice 9: Terms of reference.

[3:36:43] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:36:44] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:36:44] Voice 9: so this is the terms of everything for the housing agency and kind of look at um what was proposed and

[3:36:51] Voice 8: um i i think there is actually a lot of um it's just saying we need different ways and we can

[3:36:56] Voice 8: certainly do that and so i have some suggestions on how we can integrate the comments made by the

[3:37:02] Voice 9: housing agency and

[3:37:03] Voice 8: and see

[3:37:05] Voice 9: what we all think um so um the removal of the the needs assessment uh

[3:37:14] Voice 9: um we're sort of removing that from the project

[3:37:16] Voice 8: um so that would be a staff um um i see that

[3:37:22] Voice 8: there's still an interest in um in the in what's been referred to us uh from the the agency and

[3:37:30] Voice 8: what's in in in this material here is the assisting the the the ltc with the development of the

[3:37:36] Voice 8: engagement process to support the housing um uh to support the housing project um i think it's

[3:37:43] Voice 8: slightly different, but I think the nature of it is the same.

[3:37:49] Voice 9: It seems to be one of the

[3:37:53] Voice 9: overlaps here. We can take out the practice mandate in LCC sponsored community consultation

[3:38:02] Voice 9: events. That's something that doesn't appear in the clinical documents. If that's of interest

[3:38:07] Voice 9: to the LCC?

[3:38:09] Voice 6: I'll speak to that.

[3:38:10] Voice 6: I think it's really important that we protect

[3:38:13] Voice 6: the members of the

[3:38:15] Voice 6: HAPC and so that

[3:38:17] Voice 6: any vitriol or

[3:38:20] Voice 6: negative comments

[3:38:21] Voice 6: are directed at us.

[3:38:23] Voice 6: That's really important because you guys are

[3:38:25] Voice 6: volunteers doing fantastic work. You should not

[3:38:27] Voice 6: have to put up with criticisms from our

[3:38:29] Voice 6: community. We took that

[3:38:31] Voice 6: role on when we sat for this

[3:38:33] Voice 6: position. You're certainly welcome

[3:38:35] Voice 6: to come, but I don't want you to be

[3:38:37] Voice 6: i don't want you to be a target it's basically so i don't want you to participate i want you

[3:38:43] Voice 6: to be there if you want to be there but i don't want you to participate as a as a body

[3:38:47] Voice 6: i think that's important so

[3:38:50] Voice 8: we can remove uh yeah um so coming back so um it looks like the hfbc

[3:38:55] Voice 8: wants like a more specific um um purpose statement um that's specific to that that actually um

[3:39:03] Voice 8: to review the land use bylaw. We can identify the bylaw number. So basically what they proposed

[3:39:16] Voice 8: is B. There's no problem with that. It is the intent of the business potentially. And

[3:39:24] Voice 8: I recognize, and this was pointed out to me at the Gabriola meeting as well, where I said

[3:39:30] Voice 8: at OCP and ONB and it was pointed out that I should be saying official community plan so there

[3:39:35] Voice 8: there are times when I do make mistakes and and well many times but but

[3:39:41] Voice 8: I recognize that there's

[3:39:43] Voice 8: there's need for clarity so I think that's what makes total sense so we can we can replace being

[3:39:51] Voice 8: informed to the development of policies and regulatory amendments with what's been proposed

[3:40:00] Voice 9: by the Housing Advisory Committee as their B. So, if that, if that, if you, if you, if

[3:40:08] Voice 9: you can reach that, if that, that makes sense?

[3:40:14] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:40:14] Voice 9: Do you want to go over that?

[3:40:15] Voice 5: Okay.

[3:40:18] Voice 5: So,

[3:40:18] Voice 9: we'll repeat, we'll take out C and

[3:40:20] Voice 5: we'll put in their B. The Consider All Things Housing,

[3:40:29] Voice 5: So I'm actually just slightly

[3:40:30] Voice 8: shifted. I think I understand the intent. I think that all things

[3:40:37] Voice 8: housing, all of the things related to housing should be informing the OCP and the land review.

[3:40:44] Voice 8: So if we want those words to be in here as identified by the HAPC, I would suggest something

[3:40:52] Voice 8: like um consider all materials related to housing in the identification of options for

[3:41:02] Voice 8: amendments to the OCP and land use bylaw and I think that that includes anything that's

[3:41:06] Voice 8: there but but but emphasizing that the um the purpose is to use whatever materials are

[3:41:13] Voice 8: available to focus on providing um to providing recommendations on options for land use bylaw

[3:41:22] Voice 8: and OCP amendments.

[3:41:24] Voice 9: So it's just making some clarification with that point, that's all.

[3:41:29] Voice 9: If you're interested in that, that would be my other suggestion. I see nodding heads.

[3:41:37] Voice 9: Okay, I think that changed. The other, the other one here related to, it looks like we're

[3:41:52] Voice 8: still the review of the recommendations coming out of the Denman Island Housing Review and related

[3:41:58] Voice 8: and additional public input um that could fall under that the all things housing look at all

[3:42:05] Voice 8: things or we just keep it there because it's just expensive either

[3:42:08] Voice 6: way we do need to reference that

[3:42:10] Voice 6: review and that's how the story started

[3:42:11] Voice 9: in there so

[3:42:12] Voice 6: that it's explicit which

[3:42:14] Voice 9: one is that we're

[3:42:16] Voice 9: keeping deep okay

[3:42:18] Voice 8: um

[3:42:19] Voice 9: uh

[3:42:20] Voice 8: so i identify potential options to address housing need again that's a

[3:42:26] Voice 8: content option to identify including general locations and zones i mean that's um that's the

[3:42:33] Voice 6: that's the that's the point

[3:42:34] Voice 8: that's kind of the yeah the crux of it yeah

[3:42:37] Voice 6: um because i don't think

[3:42:41] Voice 6: we should be asking yeah to

[3:42:42] Voice 6: to make policy that's certainly you guys do that yeah exactly so you can

[3:42:47] Voice 8: remove that um the other thing i'd like to show you they had a they had an e in theirs was was

[3:42:53] Voice 8: slightly different it said identify potential solutions to address how they need including

[3:42:57] Voice 8: policies ocp amendment and ledb changes so coming back to the question we just had what i'm hearing

[3:43:05] Voice 8: from this um this proposed piece is um that there is interest in in identifying some of those other

[3:43:12] Voice 8: things so i think that in in the

[3:43:14] Voice 8: other points uh that

[3:43:17] Voice 9: we've identified we we are we are um we have

[3:43:21] Voice 8: we have sort of very specific we have specified uh the interest in the atpc looking at the ocp

[3:43:29] Voice 8: and the lev amendments i think that's been specified in the ones before we can make another

[3:43:34] Voice 8: Another one, E, which

[3:43:35] Voice 9: is related to identifying options,

[3:43:41] Voice 8: identifying solutions to address

[3:43:45] Voice 8: housing concerns that are outside of most P&LDB areas.

[3:43:49] Voice 9: And so it depends on the advocacy policies and anything that's perhaps long-term.

[3:43:56] Voice 9: Yeah,

[3:43:56] Voice 8: so we can put it in brackets,

[3:43:58] Voice 9: advocacy policies, related items for action plans

[3:44:02] Voice 3: and things.

[3:44:03] Voice 3: Good.

[3:44:19] Voice 5: So I would suggest that, I think

[3:44:21] Voice 9: that our secretary is

[3:44:23] Voice 9: taking fastidious notes here.

[3:44:26] Voice 9: Who knows?

[3:44:27] Voice 9: We

[3:44:28] Voice 3: can help you

[3:44:28] Voice 9: out with those notes.

[3:44:29] Voice 9: I'm not ready to present them as motioners.

[3:44:32] Voice 9: There's the opportunity, again, as you know,

[3:44:35] Voice 9: to review the notes.

[3:44:36] Voice 8: And so if you're seeing something that doesn't work,

[3:44:40] Voice 8: we can also send it.

[3:44:44] Voice 8: Once we've got the minutes together,

[3:44:45] Voice 8: we can send these to the HAPC to make sure it

[3:44:48] Voice 9: with them as well.

[3:44:50] Voice 9: This does feel a little

[3:44:52] Voice 9: cart before horse,

[3:44:55] Voice 6: but

[3:44:57] Voice 6: the HAPC is already working

[3:44:58] Voice 6: and they're doing a great job

[3:45:00] Voice 6: in terms of reference, simply

[3:45:02] Voice 6: just reflects that.

[3:45:05] Voice 8: Yeah, and again, it's

[3:45:07] Voice 8: part of that

[3:45:07] Voice 8: hieroglyphic piece, and it's also

[3:45:09] Voice 8: identifying the members of the community

[3:45:11] Voice 8: that may not be

[3:45:13] Voice 8: engaged in the know to know

[3:45:15] Voice 9: what this group is doing.

[3:45:19] Voice 9: Exactly.

[3:45:26] Voice 9: under the commission's recommendation of NXA, sort of the duties and responsibilities,

[3:45:33] there's a large chunk here under C. Is that wording needed?

[3:45:42] Voice 9: So duties and responsibilities, C?

[3:45:44] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:45:45] Voice 9: And hours in the HAPs.

[3:45:48] Voice 9: Exactly, yeah.

[3:45:49] Voice 9: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[3:45:50] Voice 8: Yeah,

[3:45:50] Voice 9: I mean, this is really, C is actually recommended to keep in because that's under three, because that

[3:45:57] Voice 8: helps protect

[3:45:57] Voice 9: staff time.

[3:45:59] Voice 6: The only part of that first sentence that doesn't make sense to me anyway, that says I was just staff may be invited to serve as a resource at any meeting.

[3:46:09] Voice 6: I would stop it there, because if you're, you may be invited, but you're not going to be invited at your discretion.

[3:46:14] Voice 8: Oh, no, I think the discretion was staff may decide to attend or not.

[3:46:19] Voice 8: but it

[3:46:19] Voice 9: doesn't say that we

[3:46:20] Voice 8: definitely think that okay yeah

[3:46:22] Voice 9: yes yeah yes it's a reasonable question

[3:46:25] Voice 9: so you're stopping the whole c point at the end of that first

[3:46:32] Voice 9: after the staff

[3:46:33] Voice 6: attempts at their discretion once they've been invited if they've been invited

[3:46:39] Voice 8: yeah sorry that wasn't the attention of the federal staff can decide

[3:46:43] Voice 8: I don't think we want

[3:46:44] Voice 9: the rest of it in their departments as well.

[3:46:51] Voice 3: Well, that's what they do.

[3:46:52] Voice 3: That's what I'm reading.

[3:46:53] Voice 3: That's the statement.

[3:46:56] Voice 9: So we, as a local person, we're happy with the terms of reference.

[3:47:02] Voice 9: Well, there's two pages.

[3:47:04] Voice 9: So I think you're making good changes to the first one.

[3:47:07] Voice 9: I think.

[3:47:08] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:47:09] Voice 9: Because I think the rest, if I'm reading this correctly,

[3:47:12] Voice 9: if the HAPC were otherwise, like the other parts were not

[3:47:16] Voice 9: controversial? Is that?

[3:47:19] Voice 10: We were asking for the rules of the chair, deputy chair, and secretary

[3:47:24] Voice 10: to be, to conform with Denham Island Local Trust

[3:47:28] Voice 10: Committee Bylaw number 231. Sure.

[3:47:32] Voice 9: So

[3:47:32] Voice 10: we just keep it in alignment with the current bylaw.

[3:47:37] Voice 9: Is that the ABC bylaw? Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense.

[3:47:41] Voice 9: Is there a, maybe staff can advise me, is there a radical departure of what you have in these?

[3:47:46] Voice 8: No, no, we're

[3:47:48] Voice 9: just having it on.

[3:47:49] Voice 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[3:47:51] Voice 9: All right, we're happy.

[3:47:54] Voice 9: Yeah, it's not like it's, or, I mean, yeah, that's the same.

[3:47:59] Voice 10: It generally accepted good planning principles under four-year-old chairperson. Is that why I want you to bring it on?

[3:48:07] Voice 6: i took that out my suggestion was those last two bullets be removed but

[3:48:11] Voice 9: whatever you want to do with them i didn't want you to be constrained by

[3:48:17] Voice 9: good

[3:48:18] Voice 6: planning principles

[3:48:19] Voice 9: i uh i am not familiar with good planning principles

[3:48:25] Voice 8: yeah

[3:48:25] Voice 9: you're a civilian just to do

[3:48:28] Voice 8: that we've done if i if i'm understanding is you're removing that

[3:48:32] Voice 8: and um and

[3:48:34] Voice 9: going to what was suggested by the agency which is uh the rules okay okay so we're

[3:48:41] Voice 9: changing the staff recommending one to say what the agencies say exactly yes yeah yeah

[3:48:47] Voice 9: so the trustees are there i just i wanted to make sure we've made changes

[3:48:55] based on on the advisory committee so provides

[3:48:59] Voice 9: me are you reasonably satisfied so we're

[3:49:03] Voice 9: if we're going to

[3:49:04] Voice 10: be back what i understand and see if we're in alignment to the chairs that was

[3:49:09] Voice 10: a bit confusing should

[3:49:11] Voice 9: we have the secretary right now their notes that we can file out

[3:49:16] Voice 10: from staff report we're removing bullets a b and c um

[3:49:26] Voice 9: so the suggestion by staff was to keep a but

[3:49:30] Voice 9: remove me because the in assisting with the development of the data closest is also in the

[3:49:37] Voice 9: recommended um uh what's recommended so it was to keep that piece and remove the um the portion

[3:49:46] Voice 9: related to their needs okay i'm glad we're going with this so

[3:49:54] Voice 10: just remove the part about the

[3:49:56] Voice 10: de-susceptment part of the brackets but keeping bullet a is uh yeah because it's like caesar's

[3:50:01] Voice 10: uh we're removing bullet b from the staff terms of reference we're removing bullet c

[3:50:12] Voice 10: we're adding in bullet b and c from the hefton advisory planning committee

[3:50:18] Voice 10: terms of

[3:50:19] Voice 10: reference to

[3:50:20] Voice 9: the chair um so we were going to add uh bullets bullet b and um

[3:50:27] Voice 9: And I was suggesting a more focused statement, which basically could consider all things housing and identifying options for land use by law and OCP review just to keep it focused,

[3:50:55] Voice 9: focus, but to also identify that all information is to go to, you know,

[3:51:02] Voice 9: I'm sorry, I missed the last part.

[3:51:06] Voice 9: So what was suggested by staff was that that just be made more specific, that all things housing be considered in the identification of options for land use by law and OCP.

[3:51:21] Voice 3: keep. Thank you. And

[3:51:29] Voice 9: then proposing to keep bullets D, E,

[3:51:33] Voice 9: and F from the staff terms of reference.

[3:51:38] Voice 9: I believe the, sorry, go ahead.

[3:51:43] Voice 9: It's gone.

[3:51:46] Voice 9: To remove D, E, and F?

[3:51:48] Voice 9: No, to remove F and keep D and E.

[3:51:52] Voice 9: Remove F, keep D and E. Thank you.

[3:51:54] Voice 5: then there's the removal of the

[3:52:11] Voice 10: uh words in item three number c removal of the words at

[3:52:19] Voice 10: the description of staff yeah

[3:52:21] Voice 6: and

[3:52:22] Voice 10: with

[3:52:24] Voice 6: the addition of a new sentence just saying staff

[3:52:28] Voice 6: at their

[3:52:29] Voice 3: availability, you could

[3:52:35] Voice 9: they may not show up.

[3:52:37] Voice 5: Yes.

[3:52:38] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:52:39] Voice 9: And then item four is from the, from our terms of reference, basically referring back to

[3:52:48] Voice 9: biology 31.

[3:52:49] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:52:49] Voice 9: Exactly.

[3:52:50] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:52:52] Voice 9: Did I miss anything?

[3:52:54] Voice 9: No, not at all.

[3:52:55] Voice 9: Excellent.

[3:52:56] Voice 9: So do we have a thumbs up?

[3:52:57] Voice 9: Do we have, do we have, um, they, under, um, our terms of reference, we put it in the bottom?

[3:53:04] Voice 9: Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. We have a specific wording stating that we're using OCP

[3:53:13] Voice 9: in language style. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Happy days. All right. That was good. And thanks

[3:53:20] Voice 9: everybody. So do we want a resolution now? I'm happy to do our, yes.

[3:53:26] Voice 9: And then how is it going to charge you

[3:53:30] Voice 9: to make some of those amendments?

[3:53:33] Voice 9: Either by bullet point.

[3:53:34] Voice 9: Just that.

[3:53:35] Voice 3: It's been changed.

[3:53:36] Voice 5: I

[3:53:36] Voice 9: didn't follow you.

[3:53:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): Well, I

[3:53:38] Voice 9: can run at this very detailed.

[3:53:43] Voice 9: I'll do it by bullet point that changes your question.

[3:53:46] Voice 9: Perfect.

[3:53:46] Voice 6: So I'll call

[3:53:47] Voice 6: on having to move.

[3:53:48] Voice 6: I move that the trust committee endorse the amended terms of reference for the housing

[3:53:56] Voice 6: advisor planning condition, H-A-P-C.

[3:54:00] Voice 6: Second.

[3:54:01] Voice 6: That's an amendment.

[3:54:02] Voice 6: I said amended

[3:54:03] Voice 9: terms of reference.

[3:54:06] Voice 9: It was in there.

[3:54:08] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:54:08] Voice 9: So second, a discussion.

[3:54:10] Voice 9: Caller question, all in favor?

[3:54:11] Voice 9: Carried.

[3:54:13] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:54:14] Voice 9: And the engagement.

[3:54:22] Voice 9: the motion related to send a letter to First Nations. It would be to send a letter to First

[3:54:31] Voice 9: First Nations to identify how they would like to be involved in housing protection.

[3:54:37] Voice 9: Oh.

[3:54:37] Voice 9: I didn't write that down.

[3:54:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): I moved

[3:54:40] Voice 9: that.

[3:54:45] Voice 9: Send a letter.

[3:54:46] Voice 9: We're in West Ham.

[3:54:48] Voice 9: Send a letter.

[3:54:49] Voice 9: Send a letter to First Nations.

[3:54:51] Voice 9: First Nations are all.

[3:54:53] Voice 9: Let's just say First Nations.

[3:54:54] Voice 9: I don't know if it's just a common word.

[3:54:56] Voice 9: First Nations.

[3:54:57] Voice 9: To identify how they would like to be.

[3:54:59] Voice 9: To identify housing.

[3:55:01] Voice 9: How they would like to be engaged in housing.

[3:55:03] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:55:04] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:55:04] Voice 3: So, yeah. Okay, second discussion.

[3:55:14] Voice 3: Oh, question. Thank you for that.

[3:55:18] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:55:22] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:55:22] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:55:24] Voice 9: So.

[3:55:28] Voice 9: Right thinking about.

[3:55:31] Voice 9: An individual that considers.

[3:55:35] Voice 9: considers that there's there may be community members that want to be involved that early involvement always is always encouraged to try to.

[3:55:44] Voice 9: as many community members as possible in the beginning of a project so that you don't get

[3:55:51] Voice 9: backlash at the end. And I mean, with no guarantees, you never know what's going to come up, right?

[3:55:58] Voice 8: So what we've identified here, and I mean, I think it sounds like we'll be editing this

[3:56:04] Voice 8: it's a bit. So I think there is two phases.

[3:56:17] Voice 9: So the first, the

[3:56:19] Voice 8: first would be just talking about what the project is, but

[3:56:23] Voice 8: it sounds like maybe, well,

[3:56:26] Voice 9: I would include the HAPC

[3:56:29] Voice 9: recommendations and it

[3:56:39] Voice 6: would be really helpful if we could get some fairly large paper

[3:56:45] Voice 6: so that people can wander into the building for an hour or so yes and then we can sit down and

[3:56:52] Voice 6: uh you know we can we can explain what the product is and then we've

[3:56:55] Voice 9: got a bunch of different ways

[3:57:02] Voice 9: okay

[3:57:03] Voice 8: so i think what we're doing is we're maybe looking at we maybe we don't get in this initial

[3:57:08] Voice 8: meeting of like this is what

[3:57:10] Voice 8: the product's about blah blah maybe what we're heading into is really

[3:57:13] Voice 8: just an identification of the options right so that's the focus engagement so i've been applying

[3:57:20] Voice 8: based on um feedback to take out um that that phase one laying the groundwork piece yeah um

[3:57:28] Voice 8: And then we're moving straight into the identification of options.

[3:57:33] Voice 8: I think it's more of a discussion of,

[3:57:36] Voice 9: that's your focused engagement.

[3:57:40] Voice 9: That's

[3:57:41] Voice 8: what I'm hearing is you want the focused engagement where you have people come in and talk.

[3:57:46] Voice 8: But one question that I do have to the LTC

[3:57:49] Voice 8: is whether you see value in staff doing some focused

[3:57:56] Voice 8: discussions

[3:57:56] Voice 9: with other groups prior to that.

[3:58:01] Voice 6: If I may, I know that the HAPC has invited the Devon.

[3:58:08] Voice 10: We're in the process of, we made an invitation

[3:58:11] Voice 10: to Devon Housing Association.

[3:58:13] Voice 10: Sorry, Devon Community Land Trust Association.

[3:58:15] Voice 10: the nation we uh have started preliminary invitations to devon housing association

[3:58:23] Voice 10: and we plan to reach out to co-housing um and we are discussing the merits of reaching out

[3:58:32] Voice 10: to conservancy um and to have them come to the housing apc and um engage with us see if they're

[3:58:41] Voice 6: willing to do that in

[3:58:42] Voice 6: my mind those groups will then feel that had an initial opportunity

[3:58:47] Voice 6: to hear and voice their concerns i don't think it needs another layer of engagement that's my

[3:58:55] Voice 6: feeling i could be wrong but that's my feeling if you guys are willing to take that on and i would

[3:59:00] Voice 6: include them in conservative because they're going to come anyway yeah and you may as well have them

[3:59:05] Voice 6: come by invitation and their

[3:59:07] Voice 9: fears and go go from there i agree that's that's what we're talking

[3:59:11] Voice 9: about it's just to get everybody fears and all into the room and having these discussions and

[3:59:17] Voice 9: i did miss the uh again the passing action group on our list in terms of invitation as well uh and

[3:59:22] Voice 9: if anybody identifies any other groups that we should be reaching out to we're really hearing

[3:59:27] Voice 9: that i don't know of any other that sounds like and i agree i think that that covers that sort

[3:59:34] focused engagement element

[3:59:36] Voice 9: um i don't think we need to make a special song and dance for that

[3:59:40] Voice 9: okay we

[3:59:41] Voice 8: haven't we have the

[3:59:41] Voice 9: process for it that's what we're free yeah that's what we're shooting

[3:59:44] Voice 9: that's what we're trying to do um but i'm happy to do the work we're going to be ready to draft

[3:59:58] Voice 8: And so then I would.

[4:00:00] Voice 8: be calling the next one. Yeah, phase one identification of

[4:00:04] Voice 8: options and opportunities of keeping that. Yes. And that is

[4:00:06] Voice 8: the focus, that would be the focus engagement that would be

[4:00:09] Voice 8: community meeting one meeting to introduce a list of options and

[4:00:14] Voice 8: identify opportunities and challenges with the options and

[4:00:16] Voice 8: priority and prioritizing options that capture

[4:00:19] Voice 9: what your

[4:00:20] Voice 9: interests would be at that point. So there's focus meetings with

[4:00:27] Voice 9: the um on island housing group i'm wondering is uh that's the work that's happening so we

[4:00:34] Voice 9: can remove that yep uh needs assessment surveys i would think so okay um i don't need them to

[4:00:45] Voice 9: review the question review anything and then we keep the first nations follow up absolutely

[4:00:50] Voice 9: why would you go to legal oh

[4:00:54] Voice 8: i i don't know yeah let's just put legal let's take out the

[4:00:58] Voice 8: yeah i'll keep legal in there because we just don't know there might be some

[4:01:01] Voice 8: legal questions at that stage they're probably not i mean wouldn't you wait until we would

[4:01:06] Voice 9: make the bylaws pretty pretty clear yeah so let's

[4:01:09] Voice 9: take it legal because it's very expensive

[4:01:11] Voice 9: to go legal something that's not yeah

[4:01:12] Voice 8: i agree i agree let's take legal out there

[4:01:16] Voice 8: and uh and we won't get down to the next phase second

[4:01:20] Voice 6: meeting um but that's where we hopefully

[4:01:26] Voice 8: So this next one, this is where we're, this is where we come with the options identified

[4:01:33] Voice 8: and say, do you agree with these options?

[4:01:39] Voice 8: And so I mean, you don't let staff be involved in focus groups, or should we keep, in case

[4:01:45] Voice 8: there is a need to get some clarification or?

[4:01:48] Voice 8: We can revisit that.

[4:01:49] Voice 9: We can revisit that.

[4:01:50] Voice 6: Yes.

[4:01:50] Voice 6: outside

[4:01:50] Voice 9: of that i mean i think the

[4:01:51] Voice 6: hgbc can also

[4:01:52] Voice 9: tell you you're endorsing the intent of the

[4:01:56] Voice 9: the details can change yeah so we have a question from thank

[4:02:02] Voice 10: you uh thank you chair um as to the

[4:02:05] Voice 10: focus follow-up on island with on island housing groups uh my experience uh my personal experience

[4:02:13] Voice 10: with the focused interviews that were done by the Maverick consultants and I've had other

[4:02:24] Voice 10: experiences that those focus groups can be very exclusionary and there are people missing from

[4:02:30] Voice 10: the table so I have a concern when I see this that there may be people missing from the table

[4:02:35] Voice 10: we

[4:02:36] Voice 6: took it out oh

[4:02:37] Voice 9: because

[4:02:38] Voice 10: I'm sorry I missed that

[4:02:38] Voice 9: thank you we took it out because you your

[4:02:40] Voice 9: your is taken okay thank you

[4:02:42] Voice 9: so but she's she's done

[4:02:44] Voice 9: she's done again yeah

[4:02:59] Voice 10: yes thank you

[4:03:00] Voice 9: there are big x's all over the face yeah thank you so that leads us

[4:03:05] Voice 8: to that would take

[4:03:06] Voice 8: this to like, you, everybody's had

[4:03:09] Voice 8: the opportunity to keep talking about the options, you come

[4:03:14] Voice 8: back and said, we're doing these options. Next step is going to take us off. So that's

[4:03:20] Voice 8: so then the next phase, which I would call actually phase three here. That says basically

[4:03:27] Voice 8: but it's actually basically uh would

[4:03:28] Voice 9: be the biology and approval and that's just the basic

[4:03:31] Voice 9: that would be your basic um

[4:03:33] Voice 9: not

[4:03:34] Voice 3: yet

[4:03:43] Voice 8: okay uh oh yeah actually i mean

[4:03:50] Voice 8: i mean you can say okay well depending but well again i mean it'll really depend this

[4:03:59] Voice 8: is really about those community information this time yeah it's about these those community

[4:04:04] Voice 8: information meetings that um that um like and the timing the date is wrong here sorry i'll make it

[4:04:12] Voice 8: um related to the um the the the project i'll change that but these these are those meetings

[4:04:20] Voice 8: about like well if the community's held up hang on that one particular thing that

[4:04:24] Voice 6: we have to break

[4:04:25] Voice 8: and so you may have that sequence of community information meetings it's possible okay yeah

[4:04:32] Voice 9: if you like what we're doing in there or not uh that's not what it does okay let's just let's

[4:04:39] Voice 9: keep it okay uh

[4:04:40] Voice 10: sorry just going back to phase two defining options and action plan development

[4:04:46] Voice 10: uh the third bullet the housing abc review of the priorities prioritized options review of housing

[4:04:54] Voice 10: housing action plan. Is that staying or is that where

[4:04:58] Voice 9: are you?

[4:05:02] Voice 9: The

[4:05:05] Voice 10: second part of the housing APC review of prioritized

[4:05:09] Voice 10: options. My questioning review of housing action plan. What is

[4:05:16] Voice 8: the housing action plan?

[4:05:17] Voice 8: Yeah, so again, as I described before, that's the opportunity

[4:05:20] Voice 8: to lend other stuff. So you got so your housing action plan will

[4:05:25] Voice 8: include all of the options that have been identified character categorized by the industry

[4:05:33] Voice 8: has been yes yeah and then and then the other stuff that comes up so so it's so the other

[4:05:39] Voice 8: stuff will come up in the process right like um those those other processes that are beyond the

[4:05:45] Voice 8: land use that you want to have um you want to have those addressed by somebody at some point

[4:05:52] Voice 8: so it's it's providing the opportunity to

[4:05:54] Voice 9: identify those stuff and then you know strategize about this

[4:05:57] Voice 9: what is

[4:05:59] Voice 10: the housing action plan

[4:06:00] Voice 9: like i said it's the the housing report

[4:06:05] Voice 9: the housing action plan is the habc's report or is that something

[4:06:10] Voice 8: you're working on i can work

[4:06:12] Voice 8: out so so like i said in the case of me i found that they came up they came up with all their

[4:06:16] Voice 8: options. They chose their options and categorize their options into categories. And then those

[4:06:23] Voice 8: options that are not related directly to land use bylaws and OCP changes, there's categories

[4:06:31] Voice 8: for those so that those are not lost in the process. It's an

[4:06:36] Voice 9: opportunity to not lose those

[4:06:39] Voice 9: other things right because and my feeling is that if we have a number of ltcs identifying exactly

[4:06:49] Voice 9: the same thing then you've got a lot of um support um for potentially the queen on the

[4:06:58] Voice 9: entrance council to address those other things right so

[4:07:06] Voice 10: back to the bottom bullet sort of bottom

[4:07:09] Voice 10: section of phase two bylaw you're updating approval uh extending to march 2025 and it's

[4:07:17] Voice 10: been identified the public hearing is not here so is the proposed plan is to keep us

[4:07:24] Voice 10: at community information meetings until march 2025 yes

[4:07:28] Voice 8: sorry i have that that actually should

[4:07:31] Voice 8: be december like to be um to to be speaking to the project trigger it should be december

[4:07:39] Voice 9: 2024. And yes, we should add a public hearing to that December

[4:07:42] Voice 10: 2024.

[4:07:47] Voice 10: Yeah, we

[4:07:48] Voice 9: do have it. We do have it there

[4:07:50] Voice 8: in our calculations. Again, this is another

[4:07:53] Voice 8: takeover. We can add public hearings to the process piece, and we'll adjust the date so that

[4:08:02] Voice 8: but it is the same

[4:08:06] Voice 9: as what's in the project.

[4:08:08] Voice 10: So what I'm hearing from that, then,

[4:08:11] Voice 10: is that we will be looking at community information meetings

[4:08:14] Voice 10: happening in December 2024?

[4:08:17] Voice 9: No, from April to December.

[4:08:20] Voice 9: From April?

[4:08:21] Voice 9: Eventually, or even early, right?

[4:08:22] Voice 9: Again, this is just...

[4:08:25] Voice 9: The dates are not set in stone.

[4:08:29] Voice 9: I don't understand how bureaucraties work, so that's why I'm like, this seems like a long time.

[4:08:37] Voice 9: It's not the

[4:08:38] Voice 6: only project planners are involved in.

[4:08:40] Voice 6: So what they do is they try and map their timing to what they can accomplish.

[4:08:45] Voice 6: But every project that they're working on, please correct me if I'm wrong, there are variables that they haven't even anticipated.

[4:08:54] Voice 6: So it's just the starting.

[4:08:56] Voice 6: It's not written in stone.

[4:08:58] Voice 6: it just gives you an opportunity to say i think we could probably get there by december 24th

[4:09:04] Voice 6: but march 25th was a title yes i'm

[4:09:08] Voice 10: just concerned that december 2024 is a long time for people who

[4:09:12] Voice 9: are waiting it's a long time and we hope to stop that we're gonna we're gonna and like i know that

[4:09:18] Voice 9: you guys and i know that we and then the staff we're all hoping that it's about that this is

[4:09:23] Voice 9: just these are just brackets literally what this is this is a tiny budget so so these are how we

[4:09:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): would budget things and hopefully everything comes in massively under budget and

[4:09:34] Voice 6: we've removed a lot

[4:09:35] Voice 6: of things which will hopefully shorten the process you know just the budget don't get caught up in

[4:09:42] Voice 6: stuff that's it's

[4:09:44] Voice 9: not written in stone that's right

[4:09:45] Voice 10: i'm just concerned that when staff when

[4:09:47] Voice 10: they're allocated staff time are they saying oh that time is not available until april 2024

[4:09:53] Voice 10: even if denim is running before that that's just my

[4:09:56] Voice 9: concern because i don't understand how you're

[4:09:59] Voice 9: yeah i'm not saying but that's not that's not the time thank you yep

[4:10:03] Voice 9: every meeting you'll know how

[4:10:05] Voice 9: the train's going down the tracks and and hopefully it's speeding down the track that's what we want

[4:10:11] Voice 9: yeah stay on track okay so are we to the point of emotion um one of the things that i'd like

[4:10:21] Voice 9: to ask is for um the critical timelines that have already been achieved on this project

[4:10:33] Voice 9: to be also noted in the consultation plan um because there was public consultation at each

[4:10:40] Voice 9: one of those points. And now that we went over it down, it looks like there was no data coverage

[4:10:46] Voice 9: information gathering. There was no questionnaire. It was questionnaire, however problematic it was.

[4:10:56] Voice 9: So you've got an attendance B of your submission? Yeah, and some of the key dates on that

[4:11:03] Voice 9: us. Yeah. Yeah, so we could, we could, we could, that's part of

[4:11:17] Voice 9: the background, we can find a place. So we've got the, the,

[4:11:24] Voice 9: the project very speaking specifically, that's the same

[4:11:29] Voice 9: one, but certainly in the engagement plan, record the

[4:11:33] Voice 9: previous one yeah and then also um the current one that the apc is pursuing well it isn't um

[4:11:42] Voice 9: questionnaire plus three uh community meetings it is a very deliberate um public innovation

[4:11:48] Voice 9: strategy that we're um using yeah sure

[4:11:52] Voice 6: and if i may

[4:11:53] Voice 6: we'll make a point of when we do the

[4:11:56] Voice 6: introduction to the project we'll make sure that those that are in attendance hear the work that

[4:12:03] Voice 6: has proceeded about this meeting it's really important so that nobody can actually come back

[4:12:09] Voice 6: and say hey they

[4:12:09] Voice 6: didn't ask me but that person will speak oh

[4:12:12] Voice 9: yeah don't speak marketing our

[4:12:15] Voice 9: public consultation plan but we had an excellent bang

[4:12:18] Voice 6: yeah i want to be able to point to that big

[4:12:22] Voice 6: piece of paper and say well actually this

[4:12:25] Voice 9: was our strategy and this is what we've done

[4:12:30] Voice 9: two

[4:12:31] Voice 10: sessions to address Virginia concerns I wonder if it's possible in phase one laying

[4:12:36] Voice 10: the groundwork where it says HAPC can we add ongoing public consultation

[4:12:41] Voice 9: to that bullet

[4:12:46] Voice 9: Because

[4:12:47] Voice 10: that is missing from the HAPC part.

[4:12:50] Voice 3: Yeah, because that way the realm has been totally removed.

[4:12:57] Voice 10: Oh, I thought we were keeping HAPC preliminary identification of options and report to LTC participation in community

[4:13:04] Voice 9: meeting was removed.

[4:13:08] Voice 9: Participation in the community meeting was removed.

[4:13:10] Voice 9: Yes,

[4:13:11] Voice 10: but I believe that the bullet HAPC preliminary identification of options and report to LTC is

[4:13:16] Voice 9: remaining in section 1.

[4:13:18] Voice 9: Yeah, that's well done.

[4:13:20] Voice 10: And I'm suggesting that we add the ongoing iterative community process

[4:13:27] Voice 9: that housing APC is to that bullet.

[4:13:31] Voice 9: At

[4:13:31] Voice 6: a certain point, though, you have to say we've done the work, we've given our recommendations to the LTC.

[4:13:40] Voice 10: I'm suggesting that phase one laying the groundwork, it says housing ABC preliminary identification

[4:13:48] Voice 9: of options and report to LTC.

[4:13:50] Voice 9: I'm proposing we add iterative community engagement.

[4:13:57] Voice 9: After you've identified that's part of the preliminary identification options and report

[4:14:05] Voice 9: that

[4:14:05] Voice 10: our community engagement belongs on this project, this draft engagement plan, because

[4:14:11] Voice 10: we are doing the community engagement.

[4:14:13] Voice 10: We can't really argue that it's passed because we are

[4:14:16] Voice 9: currently in planning to continue doing

[4:14:18] Voice 9: this for the next couple of months.

[4:14:20] Voice 9: So the planning cabinet has a solution.

[4:14:21] Voice 9: Well,

[4:14:23] Voice 8: I can, I just wanted to mention, like, this is, this is a, the purpose of this is really to help guide the staff's work, but

[4:14:31] Voice 9: what I'm understanding is, and we can certainly just add a, we can

[4:14:35] Voice 9: add a section beginning to recognize what we see, and then the phases are the work that staff's beginning to do.

[4:14:45] Voice 3: You may also need

[4:14:48] Voice 9: to be stuff.

[4:14:49] Voice 9: Right.

[4:14:51] Voice 3: Yes,

[4:14:55] Voice 9: I didn't want to say nothing chair.

[4:14:58] Voice 9: That sounds like what's happening here is that the the LTC is is is supporting the agency's interest in our or wanting to actively do engagement.

[4:15:16] Voice 9: Oh,

[4:15:17] Voice 8: they are engaging. Yes.

[4:15:19] Voice 8: So I would just make a slight change to the terms of reference.

[4:15:23] Voice 8: It would be full of aids, but would be

[4:15:27] Voice 9: it would be assist the LTC with engagement.

[4:15:32] Voice 9: That would be a development of engagement process.

[4:15:35] Voice 9: It would be with engagement to support the Denman Island housing project.

[4:15:41] Voice 9: that that works i mean you guys back to determinative reference

[4:15:46] Voice 9: assisting

[4:15:48] Voice 6: the lbc with engagement we

[4:15:53] Voice 10: we admire our bullet number d says the down

[4:15:57] Voice 10: island local trust committee with the development of an engagement process

[4:16:00] Voice 10: which your proposed solutions are done in

[4:16:03] Voice 9: the program suggesting that we also have a second

[4:16:13] Voice 9: you know, in our terms of reference that we are doing that.

[4:16:18] Voice 9: I don't know what it is.

[4:16:19] Voice 9: So it's not a thing that is strategy.

[4:16:21] Voice 9: It's not a thing to implement.

[4:16:22] Voice 9: Your action.

[4:16:23] Voice 6: What

[4:16:23] Voice 9: we're suggesting is that we have a piece within our terms of reference

[4:16:28] Voice 9: that say that we're implementing an iterative consultation strategy.

[4:16:35] Voice 9: So my

[4:16:36] Voice 8: suggestion was supporting what you said,

[4:16:38] Voice 8: that it's simpler words and it's basically just just amending what's in um a one that was proposed

[4:16:46] Voice 8: and saying assist lpc removing the words development of engagement process so it reads

[4:16:51] Voice 8: assist the lpc with engagement

[4:16:53] Voice 9: to support the housing department supports

[4:16:58] Voice 9: of course we realize that um

[4:17:00] Voice 9: so we've already done the motion are we are we capturing the amendment that's just part

[4:17:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): of it yeah

[4:17:10] Voice 9: so we don't need the motion it's just a late event

[4:17:16] Voice 9: okay so now of course we have another one yes so we so we have the draft engagement plan are

[4:17:27] Voice 9: Are we able to do more than that?

[4:17:29] Voice 9: Absolutely.

[4:17:32] Voice 9: We've changed the phase two,

[4:17:35] Voice 9: at the very bottom, to phase three.

[4:17:37] Voice 9: So your motion needs to reflect that.

[4:17:40] Voice 9: Other than, but your motion says phase one and two.

[4:17:44] Voice 9: Yeah, but now you've got phase three.

[4:17:47] Voice 9: So we would say one, two, three, that's what I would.

[4:17:49] Voice 9: See, that's why you get in the big black.

[4:17:52] Voice 9: That's what I see.

[4:17:53] Voice 9: Perfect, okay.

[4:17:55] Voice 9: Okay. All right. Who wants to go?

[4:17:57] Voice 9: I can do it.

[4:17:58] Voice 9: All right.

[4:18:02] I would say that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee endorsed the engagement plan for

[4:18:08] Denman

[4:18:08] Voice 9: Island Housing Review Project Stage 2, Phase 1, 2, and 3.

[4:18:14] Voice 9: Second?

[4:18:15] Voice 9: Second.

[4:18:16] Voice 9: Okay.

[4:18:16] Voice 9: Sorry, amended.

[4:18:17] Voice 9: Amended engagement plan.

[4:18:19] Voice 9: So second.

[4:18:20] Voice 9: Any discussion?

[4:18:21] Voice 3: All the questions all in favor?

[4:18:23] Voice 3: That's carried.

[4:18:27] Voice 3: Good.

[4:18:30] Voice 3: I

[4:18:30] Voice 9: guess at some point I have to make sure it's in the minutes so that the audience is happy that it's been recorded.

[4:18:38] Voice 9: Okay.

[4:18:39] Voice 9: All right.

[4:18:40] Voice 9: Moving right along.

[4:18:42] Voice 9: There you go.

[4:18:43] Voice 9: Thank you, Chair.

[4:18:46] Voice 9: So the next one is about working the business case

[4:18:52] Voice 8: for the Niles housing and youth project.

[4:18:56] Voice 8: So that's making sure that there's money for you next year for the CIMs, for whatever additional First Nations engagement there may need to be, and for the legal review, so that you've got that money.

[4:19:12] Voice 8: You may or may not use it, but you need to have it in budget for it. So that's basically

[4:19:18] Voice 9: what that's about.

[4:19:22] Voice 9: bearing in mind what we've struck from the uh engagement plan uh do we need to adjust that

[4:19:32] Voice 9: dollar should we adjust that dollar and i'm fine with whatever the recommendation

[4:19:37] Voice 6: financial planning committee it's always helpful to have more than what you need

[4:19:43] Voice 6: the winner the table when you say actually we only need five thousand now people are like oh

[4:19:49] Voice 9: Oh, yeah, we need to go down, and you guys are fully taking the bullet.

[4:19:52] Voice 9: So, please, just...

[4:19:53] Voice 9: No,

[4:19:53] Voice 8: no, that's fine.

[4:19:54] Voice 9: That's what I was asking.

[4:19:55] Voice 9: What's the better...

[4:19:56] Voice 8: You're going to need at least, like, six.

[4:19:58] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:19:59] Voice 9: Just, you know, and

[4:20:00] Voice 8: then there's contingency, and...

[4:20:02] Voice 9: No, that's great.

[4:20:03] Voice 9: That's all

[4:20:03] Voice 3: I wanted to know.

[4:20:06] Voice 3: Do you have any other questions you want?

[4:20:07] Voice 3: I'm pretty sure.

[4:20:11] Voice 5: That wasn't any...

[4:20:12] Voice 5: I'm asking for money.

[4:20:13] Voice 3: Okay, let's get

[4:20:13] Voice 9: the devil going.

[4:20:15] Voice 10: So, just my concern, again, with the timelines,

[4:20:19] Voice 10: I understand these are only proposed,

[4:20:20] Voice 10: But if we're looking at a public hearing in December of 2024, are we going to have the money to get this actually to us?

[4:20:29] Voice 9: That is already in our we've got we've already

[4:20:33] Voice 10: been looking for money that goes until March 2025 for

[4:20:37] Voice 9: next fiscal year.

[4:20:38] Voice 9: It's a different budget. So we already have. We already have.

[4:20:43] Voice 9: We already have money assigned to this project for this fiscal year.

[4:20:46] Voice 9: this is this is just getting next year

[4:20:49] Voice 10: the current the timeline the the draft engagement plan

[4:20:54] Voice 10: says that we're looking at community information meetings and public hearing perhaps in december

[4:21:01] Voice 10: 2024 which is

[4:21:04] Voice 9: that going i'm just concerned if there's delays we're going to run out of money

[4:21:09] Voice 9: to get to public hearing information it is budget cycle so you only get money for each for march to

[4:21:18] Voice 9: march and so we will have to come back if we're still needing money and ask again and because

[4:21:23] Voice 9: it's an ongoing project um you know thank you you know but

[4:21:30] Voice 6: just so you know we have right now

[4:21:34] Voice 6: almost $18,000 because we didn't spend as much on a previous budgetary cycle.

[4:21:42] Voice 10: And can it carry over year to year?

[4:21:44] Voice 6: No, it goes in the surplus, but we can make an argument.

[4:21:47] Voice 6: We can leverage.

[4:21:48] Voice 6: Thank

[4:21:49] Voice 9: you.

[4:21:50] Voice 5: Okay.

[4:21:50] Voice 9: All right.

[4:21:51] Voice 9: Motion.

[4:21:52] Voice 9: I move that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee endorse the business case for the

[4:21:57] Voice 9: Denman Island Housing Review Project Stage 2 of Phase 2.

[4:22:05] Voice 9: Second discussion. And does that mean to be three and three as well? No. Okay, gotcha.

[4:22:14] Voice 10: One more detail. On page 87, the Devon Housing Review Project stage two, phase two. So we need

[4:22:23] Voice 10: to get a push on phase three on there.

[4:22:24] Voice 9: That's exactly what I just said. Yeah.

[4:22:28] Voice 9: It's okay. No, I appreciate it. This is all new. I know. And thank you. If I hadn't got it,

[4:22:35] Voice 9: Yeah, you would have been so many games don't be in the street. We do. We do the three. Okay, so the three three second and think he's got all discussion on

[4:22:46] Voice 3: paper that carries.

[4:22:51] Voice 3: Next one. So that's the next two motions, or at least the next one makes sense.

[4:23:15] Voice 3: what are available yeah i

[4:23:18] Voice 6: mean this this does not in any way affect what we're doing okay this is

[4:23:23] Voice 6: just another wonderful piece of data that will become useful for

[4:23:30] Voice 3: other applications down the

[4:23:31] Voice 3: road yeah words or no words you want i can speak to it um

[4:23:40] Voice 8: and that's exactly uh um

[4:23:51] Voice 8: Yes, this work needs to be done and it's going to be done for the North, and what staff are

[4:23:58] Voice 8: saying is it should be done first for those projects that have major housing and OCP projects.

[4:24:05] Voice 8: Again, you may or may not use the

[4:24:07] Voice 9: data, but let's get the data, then you've got it, you're

[4:24:09] Voice 9: priorities. Yeah, that's fine.

[4:24:12] Voice 6: It's a good thing. I move that

[4:24:16] Voice 6: the demo trust committee request the regional planning committee

[4:24:19] Voice 6: submit a business case to trust council regarding water

[4:24:22] Voice 6: availability assessment and prior rights demo the island

[4:24:25] Voice 6: fiscal

[4:24:26] Voice 9: 2425. Second.

[4:24:30] Voice 6: This does not hamstring the region

[4:24:33] Voice 6: planning committee to do this simply a request to that

[4:24:36] Voice 6: particular committee to prioritize this budgetary

[4:24:39] Voice 6: influence.

[4:24:40] Voice 3: Oh, question on that. Yes.

[4:24:48] Voice 3: Yeah, I suggest an amendment

[4:24:51] Voice 8: to number six. That would be that

[4:24:53] Voice 8: is done in a local trust committee request to schedule a

[4:24:57] Voice 8: public meeting following the

[4:25:00] Voice 9: following receiving the October

[4:25:04] Voice 9: report from the HAPC.

[4:25:19] Voice 9: So we need

[4:25:23] Voice 10: to submit our report three weeks in advance or two weeks in advance because there seems to be some confusion as to when things need to be submitted to appear before the local trust committee.

[4:25:34] Voice 10: Two

[4:25:35] Voice 9: weeks for local trust committee, but in the case of this, as a federally-planned committee,

[4:25:40] Voice 9: is it still a two-week?

[4:25:42] Voice 7: To make it on the agenda?

[4:25:44] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:25:44] Voice 9: I can follow up with an email on the timeline.

[4:25:48] Voice 9: Three weeks, we think.

[4:25:49] Voice 9: Three weeks is ideal.

[4:25:52] Voice 9: Just two weeks.

[4:25:52] Voice 9: Two weeks is already starting to set the agenda.

[4:25:56] Voice 9: So we'll know it's coming.

[4:25:58] Voice 9: We're going to already have it.

[4:25:59] Voice 9: Right.

[4:26:00] Voice 9: Right?

[4:26:01] Voice 9: And then we can still confirm the date.

[4:26:05] Voice 9: Right.

[4:26:05] Voice 9: for you to have it sent to Marissa, for example.

[4:26:09] Voice 3: It's tied in with our

[4:26:11] Voice 9: laws are respected.

[4:26:14] Voice 9: Oh, no.

[4:26:15] Voice 3: We'll confirm.

[4:26:19] Voice 9: I'd like to give the

[4:26:23] Voice 9: agency as much time as possible

[4:26:25] Voice 9: to prepare the information.

[4:26:26] Voice 9: We'll give them the

[4:26:28] Voice 9: last possible date.

[4:26:32] Voice 9: Then we'll look at it.

[4:26:35] Voice 6: once we are happy with it then it's going to go back to staff to help prepare

[4:26:40] Voice 6: visuals that we can use at the community information meeting

[4:26:44] Voice 6: so that people don't have to swing it like little pieces of paper

[4:26:48] Voice 9: you're going to be that you're going to be receiving the report before the community

[4:26:52] Voice 9: information oh yeah yeah

[4:26:54] Voice 9: yeah yeah so what we're saying now is we won't schedule that

[4:26:58] Voice 9: meeting until after we've received your question so you've got the motion

[4:27:05] Voice 9: sure uh move that the demini local trust committee request staff schedule the

[4:27:09] Voice 9: community meeting one following receipt of the october report from the uh hapc

[4:27:31] Voice 9: Thank you so

[4:27:35] Voice 10: much for everything you've done. We do have one item that's outstanding and

[4:27:40] Voice 10: that is our request for support items from staff and that's our appendix c in the 8080s

[4:27:49] Voice 9: let's see

[4:27:56] Voice 10: uh the one is the comments all the community comments from the boundary report

[4:28:02] Voice 10: uh two is density bank creation documents i think you probably spoke to that today david

[4:28:08] Voice 10: uh three actual numbers of densities left in the density bank this has been requested for

[4:28:15] Voice 10: several months but we still see that the numbers remain unadjusted so we would like to see what

[4:28:22] Voice 10: those numbers are uh we're looking for tiny home regulations and proposed regulations from other

[4:28:27] Voice 10: islands and jurisdictions in bc we're looking for housing

[4:28:31] Voice 10: agreement templates and examples from

[4:28:33] Voice 10: across the islands trust we're looking for examples of innovative bylaws current or supposed

[4:28:39] Voice 10: uh or from jurisdictions or jurisdictions that supported the integration of environmental

[4:28:45] Voice 10: considerations with housing so somebody's got to go a little deep dive and find that

[4:28:51] Voice 10: we're looking for current island health and provincial regulations and any innovative ones

[4:28:56] Voice 10: under consideration on watering water and human waste and we would like an acknowledgement that

[4:29:02] Voice 10: staff understand their moral and legal obligations to uphold human rights including the human right

[4:29:07] Voice 10: to housing as they can decorate duties and interact with all members of the community

[4:29:14] Voice 3: okay do you have any i

[4:29:19] Voice 8: can speak to these and the ability of staff to do these things

[4:29:22] Voice 5: so

[4:29:23] Voice 8: number one um i didn't have a conversation with um sonia we don't have we don't have that

[4:29:29] Voice 8: information in our files. Um,

[4:29:32] Voice 9: but she was going to get in touch

[4:29:34] Voice 9: with them and see if they still have it. And if you didn't have

[4:29:38] Voice 9: that information, the comments,

[4:29:41] Voice 8: the density bank, I mean, while

[4:29:44] Voice 8: it was created, I think chair Graham spoke to that. I'm

[4:29:48] Voice 8: getting the numbers. I mean, that's a time it's on the list.

[4:29:51] Voice 8: I don't know that I'll get to it. Before my holidays that

[4:29:54] Voice 8: beginning of Friday. I'll be away for several weeks, but it is on the list.

[4:30:00] Voice 8: of things to do um tiny home regulations i i suggest this is one of those things that um

[4:30:06] Voice 8: if if options identify that that you want to be looking at things related to tiny homes that's

[4:30:13] Voice 8: when that kind of information would come into play it's premature to do that kind of um research

[4:30:19] Voice 8: prior because you decide that you're not supporting that

[4:30:21] Voice 9: sort of thing that it's

[4:30:23] Voice 9: we have done some work for me so there is there is work that we can we can bring up

[4:30:29] Voice 8: um housing agreement we do uh that's we have housing agreements that uh that i can spend uh

[4:30:36] Voice 8: links to we have them on our website um for they're all for multi-family uh projects that

[4:30:43] Voice 8: have been done recently um so

[4:30:46] Voice 6: we don't actually have a template for individual property um we

[4:30:50] Voice 8: don't and that's also something that is really a trust council decision about whether they go

[4:30:55] Voice 8: that

[4:30:55] Voice 9: direction because it becomes complicated um um because who monitors all those sorts of

[4:31:03] Voice 9: questions and that's one of those um outside bylaws conversations

[4:31:08] Voice 8: i mean it's very it's an

[4:31:10] Voice 8: important one to start to have um but um but it's it's in terms of diving now it's a bit out of

[4:31:19] Voice 8: scope it's related absolutely but it's out of scope of that doing the actual cp and land use

[4:31:24] Voice 8: both but certainly i can share what we've we've done already do

[4:31:29] Voice 9: we have a disagreeing face we we

[4:31:31] Voice 9: the cops we do have an example on the end of a small home housing agreement and we do see that

[4:31:40] Voice 9: as part of the scope but

[4:31:42] Voice 3: we don't have

[4:31:42] Voice 9: access to that so we're wondering if you can get us that

[4:31:47] Voice 9: they

[4:31:47] Voice 8: are online so i can send you the links no

[4:31:49] Voice 6: but we must we must have the trust must have it

[4:31:52] Voice 6: because we this would be the yeah the group that would give key moves you're talking about the one

[4:32:00] Voice 6: so

[4:32:00] Voice 8: that

[4:32:02] Voice 6: that housing agreement exists that's got to be somewhere yeah

[4:32:06] Voice 8: we actually have a

[4:32:07] Voice 8: housing agreement program believe it or not and so i can i can um i can connect you with

[4:32:11] Voice 8: jillian you met with jillian he's

[4:32:13] Voice 8: actually the one that will receive that so she's the one that

[4:32:15] Voice 8: has access to the whole public

[4:32:17] Voice 9: document so we have those documents so that's what we're looking for

[4:32:23] Voice 10: from the staff yeah and

[4:32:25] Voice 4: there are so we'll we'll provide

[4:32:27] Voice 8: you with that i think that's probably the

[4:32:29] Voice 8: best way

[4:32:29] Voice 4: to go however that

[4:32:30] Voice 9: happens uh planner child is saying there's more there's more than

[4:32:34] Voice 9: just one example more yeah that's great bha bc would like to see that you

[4:32:39] Voice 8: know so the answer is

[4:32:41] Voice 9: yes okay um

[4:32:42] Voice 8: examples of integrated biology uh or jurisdictions that have integrated

[4:32:47] Voice 8: integrated again this is related to options once you identify your options once we um uh and you

[4:32:54] Voice 8: want to you want some specifics around options we can start to bring in specific information

[4:32:59] Voice 8: um at this point i've shared with you the document that has all of the the the

[4:33:04] Voice 9: alice trust related

[4:33:06] Voice 9: that's the best one to do for you now, but later on if that's somewhere you want to go

[4:33:10] Voice 9: and dig into a little further, you can go there and look at the options identified.

[4:33:16] Voice 9: The Korean Island Health and Provincial Regulations,

[4:33:18] Voice 5: we don't have

[4:33:19] Voice 9: anything beyond what's

[4:33:22] Voice 8: publicly

[4:33:24] Voice 8: available, so that's all available online,

[4:33:27] Voice 9: there's nothing that

[4:33:27] Voice 8: we have any more access

[4:33:31] Voice 8: to than what's already available.

[4:33:35] Voice 9: and number eight yeah certainly we can make that for anything

[4:33:47] Voice 9: so

[4:33:48] Voice 10: what i'm hearing is that we need to find this information on our own

[4:33:53] Voice 6: some of those things you do yeah we could contact

[4:33:56] Voice 10: jillian for

[4:33:57] Voice 9: housing agreements but otherwise we're

[4:33:59] Voice 9: looking to find this the reason we want this information is how do we identify options if

[4:34:05] Voice 9: those options don't actually exist well

[4:34:08] Voice 6: if i may um your job is not to go so deep your job is really

[4:34:14] Voice 6: to express your desire so for instance we want to be able to have tiny homes on a piece of property

[4:34:23] Voice 6: a piece of property that's five years you want to have at least five or six whatever that's your

[4:34:28] Voice 6: wish

[4:34:28] Voice 9: then

[4:34:29] Voice 6: the planners who have the expertise to dive into what does that mean about you know

[4:34:36] Voice 6: So I don't want you to go too far out of your area, like your expertise is to put the wish list together.

[4:34:44] Voice 6: How would you want to change the OCP and the LUB?

[4:34:46] Voice 6: You don't have to actually know the wording.

[4:34:48] Voice 6: You just need to explain the design.

[4:34:52] Voice 6: Does that make sense?

[4:34:55] Voice 10: It does.

[4:34:56] Voice 10: But I think that our community very much wants to see what we may have desired.

[4:35:02] Voice 10: But they may not be possible.

[4:35:03] Voice 10: We would like to see what's possible.

[4:35:05] Voice 10: But

[4:35:06] Voice 6: I don't want you to be constrained by what you think is possible and not possible.

[4:35:10] Voice 6: That's going to come to this table with staff assistance to take...

[4:35:16] Voice 10: But I think that, with all due respect, I think Denman Islanders perhaps have a little

[4:35:21] Voice 10: more out-of-the-box thinking in terms of possibilities.

[4:35:26] Voice 10: So...

[4:35:28] Voice 6: Yeah,

[4:35:28] Voice 9: so don't be

[4:35:30] Voice 6: constrained by possibilities.

[4:35:32] Voice 6: You can suggest the craziest ideas that you are okay arguing for, and we may run into a, we can't do that, result. We may. I don't know.

[4:35:46] Voice 9: But we have things.

[4:35:47] Voice 10: But what if we can do that, but we still run into a, we can't do that role?

[4:35:51] Voice 9: Well, that's our problem.

[4:35:53] Voice 9: We run into the role. You don't run into the role.

[4:35:55] Voice 9: And we'll continue to discuss those things when we get to those things.

[4:36:02] Voice 9: but but mostly we have some resources we do have trustee Elliot who's a

[4:36:07] Voice 9: county home advocate so we might be able to do an introduction so we can open some doors thank you

[4:36:14] Voice 9: an example um in the uh in the main island that process um we were identifying options for

[4:36:22] Voice 9: moving forward with bylaws and one of them was and so we did do some

[4:36:28] Voice 9: deep dive to find out how long to be able to move it on yep so we we will open doors

[4:36:38] Voice 9: okay so we need to make a motion to encapsulate these requests or not

[4:36:49] Voice 3: finance what is your through

[4:36:52] Voice 9: the chair um i can suggest um to capture the one where

[4:36:57] Voice 9: plan and chadwick said yes we can provide these like number five yes we can provide examples of

[4:37:03] Voice 9: housing arrangements and templates um we can add that to the follow-up action list so we can get

[4:37:09] Voice 9: some direction to add those follow-up action lists so they can capture it so there's specific ones

[4:37:17] Voice 6: but our chairman was going to give jillian's contact information to the chair of the abc and

[4:37:24] Voice 6: they were going to make that

[4:37:25] Voice 9: connection chair um to recap the ones to action

[4:37:32] Voice 9: and that's what i would suggest a resolution

[4:37:35] Voice 9: um

[4:37:39] Voice 9: yeah we can we don't need a resolution to follow up

[4:37:46] Voice 8: i can just try to summarize

[4:37:47] Voice 8: so they're trying to find whether there's any information that from the surveys we can do that

[4:37:54] Voice 8: that. Like I said, we

[4:37:57] Voice 8: don't have that information. So finding

[4:37:59] Voice 8: out how many densities are left

[4:38:05] Voice 8: and density variance, we can do that. Housing and human templates and examples from across

[4:38:11] Voice 8: we can do that with the help of Gillian who has that information. And those are the eight

[4:38:21] Voice 8: that we can do.

[4:38:22] Voice 3: And number 8.

[4:38:26] Voice 3: So that's been captured.

[4:38:33] Voice 9: If

[4:38:33] Voice 10: this is going on the follow-up action,

[4:38:35] Voice 10: are we going to see the time

[4:38:37] Voice 10: for our report

[4:38:39] Voice 10: that has to be submitted

[4:38:42] Voice 10: September 19th

[4:38:42] Voice 10: at the latest?

[4:38:45] Voice 9: Well, that would be September 12th

[4:38:47] Voice 9: at the latest.

[4:38:49] Voice 3: But we've had the conversation

[4:38:53] Voice 3: so you don't need to see it in writing

[4:38:55] Voice 3: to know what's going to happen.

[4:38:57] Voice 10: no i just i

[4:38:58] Voice 10: i hear that people are on vacation so i'm wondering how we're going to get this

[4:39:01] Voice 9: no but you've had direct communication so so you you know what's going to happen

[4:39:08] Voice 9: so it will happen if you're seeing it in writing

[4:39:11] Voice 3: in october it's happening now that's what i'm

[4:39:20] Voice 3: suggesting unless the planners tell me something contrary

[4:39:22] Voice 9: what my understanding is planners

[4:39:29] Voice 9: So, sorry, to the chair, in terms of resourcing, well,

[4:39:35] Voice 8: I can see Sonia is around, and she has

[4:39:38] Voice 8: she has the information related to trying to find out surveys

[4:39:42] Voice 9: that are already in conversation

[4:39:42] Voice 9: with her.

[4:39:43] Voice 9: She also has the background on density banks, she I believe is around, so we will do our

[4:39:50] Voice 9: best.

[4:39:55] Voice 9: And if there's a way to reach out, if there's something you need, talk to us, talk to planners.

[4:40:06] Voice 9: I'd also like to recognize the information that Funding Cabot has already provided us with.

[4:40:14] Voice 9: A lot of it has been really useful. There's certainly a wealth of information about what other islands are doing.

[4:40:21] Voice 9: doing so we really appreciate that we've had a chance to start to know start to look through it

[4:40:26] Voice 9: thank you very much thank you okay thank you for that all right so we're here we've got it

[4:40:37] Voice 9: okay so we have course models we have something in department of fisheries and oceans consultation

[4:40:45] Voice 9: open species of rich class i think that's just for information for us um new business we have

[4:40:52] Voice 9: nothing so going on we've dealt with 13.1 um so 13.2 um the follow-up enforcement uh

[4:41:03] Voice 9: amendments um we have racial planning regional yes the

[4:41:11] Voice 9: director of planning services steve

[4:41:15] Voice 9: Zermatt is joining us to walk us through this. So welcome, welcome to sunny Denman.

[4:41:28] Voice 2: Good afternoon, Denman Island Local Trust Committee. I trust you can hear me and see

[4:41:32] Voice 2: me and all that. Absolutely.

[4:41:34] Voice 2: Okay, so I'm just going to introduce myself. I have not done a

[4:41:38] Voice 2: presentation for Denman before. I recognize I'm a stranger to these lands and what better way to

[4:41:44] Voice 2: introduce myself and sending you back a bylaw. So again my name is Stefan Cermak, Director of

[4:41:50] Voice 2: Planning Services. I've been with the Trust for about 13 years having been a planner, a manager

[4:41:56] Voice 2: and now a director for the last 11 months. I live or I have spent the last 13 years on

[4:42:02] Voice 2: Salt Spring Island that's where I cut my teeth in the Islands Trust and I recognize an active

[4:42:09] Voice 2: community on Denman is very similar to Salt Spring in that way. I spend my time now between

[4:42:18] Voice 2: the Victoria office, Salt Spring office and the Northern office and yeah I'm here to help. So

[4:42:25] Voice 2: before you is the Bend bylaw which has come back for your reconsideration and as you know

[4:42:32] Voice 2: all the bylaws have to be approved by the executive committee before the LTC may adopt a bylaw.

[4:42:40] Voice 2: and the executive committee has three choices when it receives your bylaw for their approval

[4:42:44] Voice 2: one is they may approve the bylaw two is they may return the bylaw to the LTC giving reasons

[4:42:50] Voice 2: and directions to change it or they may refuse the bylaw and give reasons for refusing it

[4:42:56] Voice 2: so when the LTC submits a bylaw to the executive committee for consideration

[4:43:00] Voice 2: the director of planning me I get to review and the bylaw the submission and I make a comment to

[4:43:07] Voice 2: the executive committee with a recommendation. So my purpose is to make sure that everything

[4:43:13] Voice 2: sort of happens throughout the entire trust organization in a cohesive manner.

[4:43:18] Voice 2: And my comments are based on a review of whatever submitted and in this circumstance I could see no

[4:43:24] Voice 2: evidence of analysis in the report that was submitted to me. So I started to assess the

[4:43:29] Voice 2: bylaw in respect of approved trust council policies and I found a conflict when the bylaw

[4:43:35] Voice 2: with the bylaw enforcement policies, and by extension, the best practices, which are

[4:43:41] Voice 2: those of the ombudsperson. And the primary conflict is really being the reduction of

[4:43:47] Voice 2: compliance options through a variety of enforcement techniques. And this further led to

[4:43:52] Voice 2: potential resourcing issues. And it led me to discuss with the planner and the bylaw enforcement

[4:43:57] Voice 2: manager, sort of what was happening, what was the discussions, why was this happening?

[4:44:02] Voice 2: and I found that I wasn't convinced that there was a consideration of other options to achieve

[4:44:08] Voice 2: the goal I didn't really understand the whole goal other than to remove just the enforcement

[4:44:15] Voice 2: amounts the costs or the fines I suppose if you want to call them that the and and I found that

[4:44:21] Voice 2: the LTC or my opinion and in the policies and the best practice that the LTC has other options

[4:44:26] Voice 2: available to it such as adopting policies directing bylaw enforcement in specific circumstances

[4:44:31] Voice 2: And, of course, you already have that in a few things.

[4:44:34] Voice 2: You have standing policies regarding proactive enforcement against SDVRs and withholding

[4:44:40] Voice 2: enforcement against unpermitted dwellings in specific circumstances.

[4:44:43] Voice 2: So these would be, those are both recommended processes.

[4:44:47] Voice 2: And I was curious, well, had other options, other than sort of getting rid of all the

[4:44:54] Voice 2: BEND by-law except for the one item, had they been explored?

[4:44:57] Voice 2: And I could not see any evidence of that in the assessment.

[4:44:59] Voice 2: You got a report that had a purpose statement and a background, but no analysis.

[4:45:04] Voice 2: And of course, it's my job to provide an analysis.

[4:45:07] Voice 2: So it got me thinking about, you know, what do we do here?

[4:45:11] Voice 2: So do I bring it to the LTC, bring it to the executive committee?

[4:45:15] Voice 2: And do I recommend adoption?

[4:45:18] Voice 2: Do I recommend that they return it with some proposed changes?

[4:45:21] Voice 2: Or do I recommend that they refuse it?

[4:45:23] Voice 2: And I thought, and this is perhaps my naivety in my 11 months of being director,

[4:45:27] Voice 2: director that the LTC would want to have this discussion before the executive committee thinks

[4:45:32] Voice 2: about that. So I said, let's send it back to the LTC to consider it. It certainly wasn't meant to

[4:45:38] Voice 2: tell you what to do in any way. It was just to make sure that you realize that if I'm going

[4:45:42] Voice 2: to present this to the EC, that my recommendation may be based on my assessment, which I didn't see

[4:45:47] Voice 2: any other assessment out there, that it should be sent back or could be sent back, depending what

[4:45:53] Voice 2: the EC does with recommended changes or not approval or something like that. In other words,

[4:45:58] Voice 2: I didn't see it as a slam dunk as approval, which a lot of the bylaws come through EC that way.

[4:46:03] Voice 2: So I asked staff to bring it back to you and have a go and let you guys have another consideration

[4:46:08] Voice 2: of it. You can see that the recommendation there is to ask staff to come back with options

[4:46:14] Voice 2: to achieve whatever the goal is specifically that you're trying to achieve. And that's pretty much

[4:46:21] Voice 2: the long and short of it happy to answer any questions thank

[4:46:24] Voice 9: you thank you uh director

[4:46:29] Voice 6: uh so you you cited trust council policy five point five point one and beyond

[4:46:36] Voice 6: uh ombudsperson's uh best practices for law enforcement governance and i i reviewed policy

[4:46:44] Voice 6: and i reviewed the 68 pages in that on those persons uh and to be quite honest and i may

[4:46:51] Voice 6: have missed it but i could not find the statement that that you cited or that warren cited i'm not

[4:46:57] Voice 6: sure who cited it um that removing compliance options is contrary first off i was like well

[4:47:07] Voice 6: maybe it's there and i just couldn't find it so let's let's move on let's assume it is there but

[4:47:12] Voice 6: i just couldn't find it um then we provided three bullets three options that we could consider

[4:47:19] Voice 6: And the first one being that we include all the bylaws with the bylaw notification as an option, but that we have a policy that directs enforcement officers to come to the local trust committee before they apply that particular tool to an enforcement situation.

[4:47:39] Voice 6: But we only meet every two months. So I'm worried that if there's an infraction, something that requires more immediate attention, that's probably not a very workable solution.

[4:47:54] Voice 6: The second bullet, I'm afraid, does not make any sense at all, because it reads, the LTC may also wish to amend the current BEM by-law schedules and greatly reduce the number of contraventions for BEM use, and a reduced Schedule A could be prepared.

[4:48:11] Voice 6: But that's, in fact, what we did. We did reduce the current BEM by-law schedules to two by-laws, which we felt were appropriate for a monetary penalty, one being a short-term vacation rental and the other being a failure to get a sighting use permit, which is, in fact, the only requirement.

[4:48:29] Voice 6: You know, we don't have building permits here, so it's really important that you build your

[4:48:34] Voice 6: house or your cabin or whatever within the setbacks and on your property.

[4:48:38] Voice 6: So I thought that's really important.

[4:48:40] Voice 6: Let's keep those two.

[4:48:42] Voice 6: But in your report, you did talk about environmental issues.

[4:48:50] Voice 6: And I thought there may be some merit in keeping then bylaw infractions which have an environmental

[4:48:58] Voice 6: rental in time. It seems to me, though, that your bylaw enforcement officers, their first

[4:49:07] Voice 6: course of action is to educate. And with that education, a reasonable landowner will make

[4:49:15] Voice 6: the adjustment. It's the unreasonable landowners we're dealing with, and it's a very small

[4:49:20] Voice 6: percentage. Other than the famous case that Demons will forever be known for, the Stoneman

[4:49:28] Voice 6: case, there hasn't been, as far as I know, any other lawsuits brought against the denominator

[4:49:34] Voice 6: for an infraction by law, and very few of them, I think, have been issued.

[4:49:38] Voice 6: So generally speaking, we're a law-abiding group.

[4:49:43] Voice 6: So I'm not feeling too worried about what we did.

[4:49:47] Voice 6: We still have the time-honored, scary letter from the lawyer, and then ultimately the court

[4:49:56] Voice 6: um for the rare instance where you have somebody that's really not very reasonable um but i i could

[4:50:03] Voice 6: be persuaded to add um the band for those infractions which have an immediate environmental

[4:50:12] Voice 6: impact

[4:50:13] Voice 9: but i want to thank you for giving us an opportunity to review those um yeah uh likewise i

[4:50:24] Voice 9: I looked through 5.5.1, and I also could not find any specific language that compels or even directs trust counsel to have as many compliance options as possible and not to reduce them.

[4:50:44] Voice 9: I did find, you know, bylaw compliance is primarily, this is 5.5.1 under 1.1.

[4:50:56] Voice 9: compliance is sought through a combination of education mediation and enforcement techniques

[4:51:04] Voice 9: bylaw and compliance is primarily sought through an attempt to achieve voluntary compliance

[4:51:09] Voice 9: to me that speaks to the the spirit of that as opposed to to work on on that um that perhaps um

[4:51:20] voluntary

[4:51:21] Voice 9: compliance is indicated by a commitment to correct connection as soon as reasonably

[4:51:25] Voice 9: reasonably possible. We're obviously at a trust council level looking at the best practices,

[4:51:34] Voice 9: which is currently, we're using the VCM Budsperson's office document, but we have a draft document

[4:51:42] Voice 9: that's been a draft document for many years. I think we're hoping to create an actual document

[4:51:49] Voice 9: of our own that speaks to that. Again, I haven't seen and looking through the VCM Budsperson's

[4:51:54] Voice 9: document, I also did not see any particular compulsion to maintain as many methods of

[4:52:02] compliance as possible. And I

[4:52:08] Voice 9: think that we still want to have that those conversations be,

[4:52:12] Voice 9: you know, compliance should be something where we're inviting people to be like, hey, did you

[4:52:16] Voice 9: know this thing you're doing not great against our bylaws? That should be our primary tool.

[4:52:23] Voice 9: tool um and again as you know as trustee graham says i think by and large people are are will

[4:52:29] Voice 9: work on that premise and that we do still have the legal the legal element but i don't think

[4:52:36] that it's um

[4:52:37] Voice 9: i don't think we're going to be suddenly swimming in lawsuits um something else

[4:52:46] Voice 3: here and i forget um yeah

[4:52:52] Voice 9: immediately legal action may be recommended by local trust committees or

[4:52:55] Voice 9: or by-law violation notices issued

[4:52:57] Voice 9: if it impacts to an awful activity.

[4:53:00] Voice 9: So there's a serious, serious thing

[4:53:03] Voice 9: that can still go through a legal process then.

[4:53:07] Voice 3: Yeah,

[4:53:21] Voice 5: I think that sort

[4:53:22] Voice 9: of covers a lot of this.

[4:53:24] Voice 9: It's, and I understand obviously

[4:53:26] Voice 9: you've got a lot on your plate.

[4:53:28] Voice 9: Seeing this two LTC meetings later is,

[4:53:32] Voice 9: to have it not advance to the EC is a little frustrating.

[4:53:39] Voice 9: um but i do understand that you're trying to afford us this option so uh i i thank you for

[4:53:44] Voice 9: that but you know this is this is we didn't walk into this entirely without without thinking um

[4:53:53] Voice 9: and yeah that's i mean i'm i'm open to to uh seeing what options might be there in terms of

[4:54:00] Voice 9: environmental protections in particular that's that's an area that i you know would be willing

[4:54:05] Voice 9: i'd want to see what they were but i'd be willing to to talk about that but yeah i'm not interested

[4:54:09] Voice 9: in uh you know bringing back the the

[4:54:13] Voice 3: schedules as they were um yeah okay so having heard some

[4:54:22] Voice 3: support

[4:54:23] Voice 6: for that i do have a motion i'm

[4:54:25] Voice 9: prepared to make um i

[4:54:28] Voice 6: believe that uh trust committee

[4:54:30] Voice 3: requests staff to bring back to the ltc those demo bylaw infractions which are categorized

[4:54:47] Voice 3: by environmental harm for possible inclusion to Schedule A or B of our bylaw notification enforcement file.

[4:55:09] Voice 3: Okay, all good. Second discussion.

[4:55:14] Voice 6: So, speaking to your suggestion that because of the immediate nature of environmental harm,

[4:55:21] Voice 6: the ticket may be an effective pointy stick

[4:55:25] Voice 6: to bring a truculent landowner into compliance.

[4:55:32] Voice 6: So I'm happy to look at those.

[4:55:33] Voice 6: That does make more work for your staff,

[4:55:35] Voice 6: but it's a good suggestion, and I take it as a suggestion.

[4:55:42] Voice 3: Great. So call the question on favor.

[4:55:44] Voice 3: That carries.

[4:55:47] Voice 3: Now,

[4:55:47] Voice 9: that's moving forward.

[4:55:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): forward we have the existing bylaw that was sent to executive that has been sent back do we wish

[4:55:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): that to continue on its path to executive I

[4:55:59] Voice 6: think I'd rather see the results of this first

[4:56:01] Voice 9: okay so

[4:56:02] Voice 9: what so we have a positive reflect so we don't want to rescind it we want to pause it we want

[4:56:09] Voice 9: to see what the staff report comes back with and then we'll see what what we want to do it

[4:56:13] Voice 9: Does that make sense? Is there any agreement?

[4:56:18] Voice 9: Sorry, thank you, Mr. Chair.

[4:56:24] Voice 2: Through the chair, if you may let me speak then.

[4:56:28] Voice 2: I think the whole purpose was to allow you a sober second thought,

[4:56:33] Voice 2: and I didn't want to personally ambush you at the executive committee level

[4:56:37] Voice 2: with an analysis that you hadn't thought or heard or considered.

[4:56:41] Voice 2: So I appreciate your time and consideration.

[4:56:43] Voice 2: consideration.

[4:56:45] Voice 9: Okay, so what the current status of the BEND bylaws is, and I guess I see

[4:56:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): Mr.

[4:56:56] Voice 9: Dingman sitting there, is that we're not writing any BEND tickets at this point in time because

[4:57:03] Voice 9: there's a bylaw on the table. So there's something under consideration. It's not put to bed,

[4:57:09] but because of where it sits, everything is in

[4:57:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): suspensions. Is that correct, Mr. Dingman?

[4:57:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): So right now we would still issue tickets for short-term vacation rentals.

[4:57:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): That's the only ticket we can write right now.

[4:57:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): We can't write anything for sighting and use contraventions until a bylaw is

[4:57:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): adopted, until the bylaw is amended to allow for that,

[4:57:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): for the new sighting and use permit number 240.

[4:57:37] Voice 9: Okay. So we understand. Okay. Thank you.

[4:57:41] Voice 3: Thank you.

[4:57:42] Voice 9: Thank you, Director Cermak.

[4:57:44] Voice 9: we appreciate your time and hopefully we will see you up on them in person it

[4:57:50] Voice 2: will be so thank you

[4:57:51] Voice 2: very much mr chair in the ltc

[4:57:52] Voice 9: thank you all right so now we're on to 13.3 trust and service report

[4:58:00] um so that's just for our information um application report of 13.4 um any specific

[4:58:08] I don't think we need the staff to walk through it, so

[4:58:12] Voice 9: that's okay.

[4:58:14] Trusting local expense report, I think you summarized that, there's many looked over.

[4:58:21] Adopted policy and standard resolution, we know all about that.

[4:58:24] Local trust committee webpage, we know all about that.

[4:58:28] Work program, active projects report dated July 17th.

[4:58:33] Voice 9: Is there anything specific you want to flag?

[4:58:37] Voice 9: nothing specific to the chair nothing specific to play um you'll see that there's just a couple

[4:58:43] Voice 9: active projects to reflect your major and minor projects and the other items uh projects have

[4:58:49] Voice 9: been moved to the future of projects okay do we need to update the hazard review project to phase

[4:58:55] Voice 9: two we can also do that as well and we can pay attention to how that appears yeah excellent

[4:59:03] Voice 9: all right so future projects same thing everybody's comfortable with that um

[4:59:11] so we're coming to

[4:59:13] Voice 9: a conclusion um so we have upcoming meetings um next one is tuesday october

[4:59:19] 3rd um 10 a.m here um then what

[4:59:24] Voice 9: we're doing is we're going in camera it's going to be a while

[4:59:29] Voice 9: probably yeah i'm not sure so it is it's it's not that we don't invite you guys to stick around

[4:59:36] Voice 9: but it sounds like we're going pretty deep down the rabbit hole this time so we we're probably

[4:59:42] Voice 9: gonna i would suggest probably at least an hour so just for your awareness uh because we will

[4:59:50] Voice 9: get some new uh grants report or you will catch up with this from these two later all right so

[4:59:56] Voice 9: So we need a motion to close the meeting.

[5:00:00] Voice 9: what we have

[5:00:00] Voice 9: to read

[5:00:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement (probable): it out yeah

[5:00:02] Voice 9: i was just going to flag that i will not be in the country on

[5:00:07] Voice 9: october 3rd so i will attempt to zoom into meeting uh as possible my sister's getting

[5:00:15] Voice 9: some and she could adjust look believe you me i tried to

[5:00:23] Voice 9: all right so that's the motion there i move the meeting to close the public in accordance with

[5:00:32] Voice 9: the community charter but for division three section 19 brackets one brackets a comma brackets

[5:00:38] Voice 9: considering a personal information about the death of bible or is being considered for a

[5:00:46] Voice 9: position as an officer employee or agent of the municipality or another position

[5:00:50] Voice 9: appointed by the municipality or being in the security or property of the municipality and that's the report of the staff attending the meeting.

[5:00:59] Voice 9: Seconded? Second.

[5:01:00] Voice 9: All in favour? Carries.

[5:01:03] Voice 9: Okay, thank you everybody.

[5:01:11] Voice 9: I'll just stop the, pause the recording and stop the live stream.

[5:01:15] Voice 3: Okay

[5:01:16] Voice 9: so I should just, so I'll just stop my stop and then