Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 27, 2023

[0:00:00] Trustee Luckham: And we've set the stage for today's vision and conversation.

[0:00:03] Trustee Luckham: So I absolutely want to acknowledge that we're meeting here on Coast Salish territory.

[0:00:09] Trustee Luckham: Say out and with sonic speaking peoples, I think is the right characterization.

[0:00:14] Trustee Luckham: And every day I wake up and I'm grateful to be here.

[0:00:17] Trustee Luckham: And we need to be cognizant of the rich history and culture that is available for us to understand and learn and advise everybody to undertake that.

[0:00:28] Trustee Luckham: And I know that you do.

[0:00:30] Trustee Luckham: um so we left off yesterday um with the uh with the corporate planning framework for the

[0:00:39] Trustee Luckham: honest trust we uh have a motion on the table we deferred it so i'd like to pick that up again

[0:00:43] Trustee Luckham: here this morning assuming that it's not going to take a lot of time um the reporting and the work

[0:00:51] Trustee Luckham: of the governance committee and the subcommittee in fact those people that are on that uh subcommittee

[0:00:56] Trustee Luckham: of the for the corporate planning framework just raise your hand so everybody knows who you are

[0:01:02] Trustee Luckham: um i think that there's been a real significant contribution there to create that along with the

[0:01:09] Trustee Luckham: cao work to compile it into a into a tangible um framework for us so um i'm going to turn it back

[0:01:18] Trustee Luckham: to chair gettys who's uh interest introduced this topic and the motions on the table if there's any

[0:01:24] Trustee Luckham: Any questions or concerns?

[0:01:25] Trustee Luckham: Otherwise, it's all right.

[0:01:27] Trustee Luckham: We'll advance a vote.

[0:01:28] Trustee Luckham: Do you have any remarks, Chair Getty?

[0:01:31] Voice 5: All right.

[0:01:32] Voice 5: When we left off yesterday, I had tried to finish off yesterday's agenda in the last few minutes that we had,

[0:01:40] Voice 5: and I pushed it possibly a little bit too fast, too hard.

[0:01:44] Voice 5: So in the comments and the discussion that I had after that,

[0:01:48] Voice 5: and realize that um this is a very serious part of the work that this um council is involved with

[0:01:55] Voice 5: and that i shouldn't um i shouldn't have pushed it and i should have left it so that we had a

[0:02:00] Voice 5: chance to if there are any questions suggestions comments for the governance committee you've got

[0:02:06] Voice 5: the report and it's a really good committee it's working well together and we can take your

[0:02:13] Voice 5: criticism if you have any and um we're open to suggestions all

[0:02:21] Trustee Luckham: right thank you um and in

[0:02:23] Trustee Luckham: fairness don't take too much of a hit we we did make those consented agenda items and so there

[0:02:28] Trustee Luckham: was anticipation that it wouldn't necessarily go forward but are there any questions for the yeah

[0:02:34] Voice 19: yeah i'm going to step in with a couple of remarks here just to follow up on what judy has

[0:02:38] Voice 19: mentioned. Yeah, this is

[0:02:41] Voice 19: important. This isn't

[0:02:44] Voice 19: the reason I was hopping up and down yesterday about

[0:02:49] Voice 19: we've got to have a chance to deliberate on this. It wasn't because I'm looking

[0:02:53] Voice 19: forward and excited about the idea of provoking some long discussion.

[0:02:58] Voice 19: It's that it's important that the trustees have

[0:03:02] Voice 19: an opportunity, if they wish, to engage this particular issue

[0:03:05] Voice 19: you uh as fully as possible uh i'm hopeful that there won't be a huge number of questions because

[0:03:13] Voice 19: we've actually done a fair bit of reporting to you about this uh before and as we do that

[0:03:20] Voice 19: reporting with implicit i mean um i know the working group in the governance committee has

[0:03:26] Voice 19: taken that as kind of an implicit endorsement certainly haven't heard objectively probably

[0:03:30] Voice 47: didn't cancel the truck for thursday is what you're saying yeah i guess you could well i'd

[0:03:35] Voice 47: phoned on monday and said are you going to be very sure you cancel the truck for thursday

[0:03:54] Voice 31: okay all right well good

[0:03:57] Trustee Luckham: morning ken and tim um and jamie harris on line there and um hopefully

[0:04:05] Trustee Luckham: you can hear us and we'll turn the floor back to joe bernardo so

[0:04:10] Voice 19: as i was saying uh the project in

[0:04:13] Voice 19: a sense i mean certainly we've um understood it to have been implicitly in a sense endorsed by the

[0:04:18] Voice 19: trust council by virtue of the fact that when we've reported we've received basically nothing

[0:04:23] Voice 19: but encouragement to to continue uh but what we have not done as a body is formally endorse

[0:04:29] Voice 19: the corporate plan as the corporate planning project as a thing that we are you know as

[0:04:36] Voice 19: we frequently do at these meetings formally endorsed by way of resolution that yeah this

[0:04:40] Voice 19: This is a thing on the record that we're buying into.

[0:04:43] Voice 19: So that's what this moment is about in part.

[0:04:47] Voice 19: And that's why it's important that trustees have that opportunity to comment or ask questions in any respect as they want.

[0:04:58] Voice 19: Because this isn't just another project.

[0:05:03] Voice 19: This is really quite significant.

[0:05:05] Voice 19: And it's going to change a great deal in terms of how we plan and how we make funding decisions.

[0:05:13] Voice 19: It's aimed at creating a much more disciplined approach, and it's going to give the whole

[0:05:20] Voice 19: organization greater control over its workload.

[0:05:24] Voice 19: But it's going to impose discipline by, at the end of the day, by limiting options.

[0:05:31] Voice 19: options. Once you've undertaken a corporate planning system and you have actually made

[0:05:39] Voice 19: strategic decisions and you have strategic goals that cross over a number of years,

[0:05:44] Voice 19: those are funding and resource commitments that by their nature exclude bringing in new funding

[0:05:50] Voice 19: commitments unless you make a deliberate decision to eliminate some of the work that you've already

[0:05:56] Voice 19: committed yourself to uh and you know i could go on at length and i won't but uh it is important

[0:06:05] Voice 19: that uh trustees uh recognize how significant this

[0:06:09] Voice 31: development is thank you thank you joe

[0:06:17] Voice 31: laura patrick uh

[0:06:18] Trustee Patrick: thank you uh chair luckham you introduced the trustees that were on the working

[0:06:23] Trustee Patrick: group but i think it's really important to note that the cao hudson pillar and our uh

[0:06:28] Trustee Patrick: administrative director, Julia Mobs, worked closely with this committee to produce the

[0:06:34] Trustee Patrick: document that's in front of you. This is, it was a joint document, so I just wanted to acknowledge

[0:06:39] Trustee Patrick: staff. Absolutely,

[0:06:41] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much.

[0:06:45] Voice 28: Yes, and I want to commend the committee for this work.

[0:06:49] Voice 28: I fully admit I did not understand what a corporate plan might lend to this organization.

[0:06:57] Voice 28: Now that I see the draft fleshed out, it makes a lot of sense.

[0:07:02] Voice 28: The part that I do keep hearing from staff in the planning side is the departmental financial plans and sort of the level of frustration that has been experienced with our current process of the business cases and the struggle to align that with our financial planning structure.

[0:07:23] Voice 28: So there is already, from my point of view, positive feedback from operationally how this could really support our endeavors and community.

[0:07:35] Voice 28: My question is to, as we draft this, looking at the hours that are going to be needed from staff, what are we going to have to give up in the next year in order to implement this plan administratively?

[0:07:55] Voice 28: Is this a realistic outlook of the number of hours of senior staff?

[0:08:01] Voice 28: And just, you know, prepare us for what are we going to have to give up just to see this take off?

[0:08:14] Voice 36: So there's a question.

[0:08:16] Voice 36: Is there somebody prepared to answer?

[0:08:18] Voice 36: Christina?

[0:08:18] Voice 18: I was just going to ask if the CAO wants to answer that and then I can

[0:08:22] Voice 31: make my comments.

[0:08:36] Voice 31: I'm good now.

[0:08:37] Voice 17: Morning, everyone.

[0:08:39] Voice 17: So I, you know, I sat back and I put some thought into these various hours.

[0:08:47] Voice 17: I can tell you that this will be my main thing.

[0:08:51] Voice 17: So, you know, nervous is the wrong word, but I really want this organization to have both a framework and a framework with content in it, right?

[0:09:01] Voice 17: So we understand the distinction.

[0:09:02] Voice 17: We're coming up with a new framework, but we're also going to populate that with the things you want to do and to budget them appropriately

[0:09:09] Voice 17: and put in a new process that's going to last for the next 10 years before it needs refinement.

[0:09:14] Voice 17: That's hopefully what we're collectively talking about.

[0:09:17] Voice 17: So that's my main mission, I would think, and I'd be reporting to the Executive Committee and the Governance Committee as that goes forward.

[0:09:24] Voice 17: But that's assumed in my position.

[0:09:26] Voice 17: So I don't think that we're going to be displacing anything in the short term.

[0:09:30] Voice 17: I'm less clear when we talk about people who have competing interests or responsibilities like Juliet and the rest of the senior management team.

[0:09:40] Voice 17: If we dip in, you know, when we look at the committee structure or how the budget process goes, we might have to develop some new policy that might have to have a little elasticity and flexibility to it.

[0:09:53] Voice 17: So I don't think we're going to have to displace significant work.

[0:09:57] Voice 17: work. But this is a this is a primary piece for the next six months. And this is my best

[0:10:07] Voice 17: approximation of the time.

[0:10:13] Voice 18: Thank you. So I was just going to say we've done a fair amount of

[0:10:17] Voice 18: work to get to this point. And I and I think what Trustee Bernardo was trying to raise as well

[0:10:23] Voice 18: is that now we're stepping into the heavy lifting. This is the area that is going to take a lot of

[0:10:30] Voice 18: focus and digging into and understanding how things work and how to incorporate the changes

[0:10:39] Voice 18: that are going to be needed to move us forward into a more effective and efficient organization.

[0:10:45] Voice 18: So this is why I think we just need to take the time to think about before you endorse it,

[0:10:50] Voice 18: to fully understand what we're doing and why we're doing it. Because once you give us the approval,

[0:10:55] Voice 18: this is where the big work starts and you know once it starts it's not something that can be

[0:11:01] Voice 18: rolled backwards um just as a i don't that's the right way to say it but you

[0:11:07] Voice 31: know what i mean

[0:11:07] Voice 31: good christina um kate

[0:11:13] Trustee Luckham: stanford thank

[0:11:15] Voice 28: you i just reminder that yesterday we looked at a fairly

[0:11:19] Voice 28: significant addition to the work and that was the the project around the bylaw um best practices

[0:11:27] Voice 28: and and all our work is important and i'm not sure how we're going to accommodate the bylaw

[0:11:36] Voice 28: part we didn't talk about how much time and staffing that it was going to take but we've

[0:11:42] Voice 28: added that project on um with all good intention and that's and deliberation but again this is how

[0:11:50] Voice 28: How we are doing our work is we add these really important things on, and nothing seems to fall off the end with deliberation.

[0:11:59] Voice 28: It just kind of happens.

[0:12:01] Voice 28: So that's part of we have to be really clear when we add on a new item or even add on a – can we get a report on that?

[0:12:09] Voice 28: Well, every report takes staff time, and it's about – you know, I've seen some stats.

[0:12:16] Voice 28: that's every staff report is $5,000 to $7,000 worth of staff time.

[0:12:23] Voice 28: And that does add up.

[0:12:25] Voice 28: It's just math.

[0:12:26] Voice 28: It's not going to be taken away.

[0:12:28] Voice 28: So we have to understand the implications of asking for new things,

[0:12:32] Voice 28: not speaking to this project, but

[0:12:35] Voice 31: what we added yesterday.

[0:12:41] Voice 31: Okay.

[0:12:42] Voice 31: I see lots

[0:12:42] Trustee Luckham: of green microphones.

[0:12:44] Trustee Luckham: In an ideal situation, we'll move on to the visioning session.

[0:12:48] Trustee Luckham: I don't want to consume too much time here.

[0:12:49] Trustee Luckham: So if you can be brief, that'd be great.

[0:12:52] Voice 18: Okay, so I'm just going to answer your question.

[0:12:54] Voice 18: With this process, once it's in place, exactly what you've just brought up is how we're going to be dealing with things.

[0:13:02] Voice 18: Once something is raised, then it will start going through the process of what are the implications, what are the costs, what is it going to displace so that work becomes manageable?

[0:13:14] Voice 18: What are priorities?

[0:13:15] Voice 18: What takes precedent?

[0:13:17] Voice 18: What has to fall back?

[0:13:18] Voice 18: those will become the discussions that we have to have but right now we're not set up that way

[0:13:24] Voice 18: and that's why we are where we are today um

[0:13:29] Voice 10: yeah i mean i similar to what to what trustee evans is

[0:13:33] Voice 10: just saying i i i think this is i've been a tremendous amount of work and i think uh i

[0:13:37] Voice 10: want to commend that committee that's been working on it um and i'm i the the whole the

[0:13:43] Voice 10: issue of the we push out a lot of boats we push out a lot of projects and a lot of them founder

[0:13:48] Voice 10: for no reason other than they just fall off the priority list.

[0:13:52] Voice 10: And I think, you know, yes, absolutely.

[0:13:56] Voice 10: As Trustee Stanford says, we need to be conscious of every time we add work to the process.

[0:14:00] Voice 10: But I think that we have a much better chance of the work that we are adding anyways actually

[0:14:06] Voice 10: coming to fruition if we have a concrete and conscientious plan with which we're going

[0:14:14] Voice 10: to pursue it.

[0:14:15] Voice 10: um so i'm yeah i will i know that trustee patrick wants to speak but i would love to make the motion

[0:14:22] Voice 10: or let's do something i

[0:14:25] Trustee Patrick: just want to love i really appreciate the notations and i think

[0:14:28] Trustee Patrick: it's important when you read this to see stuff did you know that was one of the things we asked

[0:14:31] Trustee Patrick: to say there's a lot of things that exist there are some new things and the fundamental new thing

[0:14:35] Trustee Patrick: is the department planning and it's the timing of that department planning all of us that have got

[0:14:40] Trustee Patrick: familiarity with business cases you see them now you kind of wait and then once the budget's

[0:14:45] Trustee Patrick: approved in march april 1st rolls in then staff start planning how they're going to do that work

[0:14:50] Trustee Patrick: this is the department plans will be in place before we approve the final budget so the work is

[0:14:54] Trustee Patrick: already factored in to what that budget represents and then as we go through the year as you were

[0:15:01] Trustee Patrick: saying if we're going to have some stunning new thing something else has to stop and those are

[0:15:06] Trustee Patrick: the decisions that we'd be making yeah

[0:15:10] Voice 19: i'll try to be brief here i i want to address the question

[0:15:15] Voice 19: that started off this discussion the

[0:15:18] Voice 33: question

[0:15:19] Voice 19: from trustee elliot which is she asked about

[0:15:21] Voice 19: what really is going to be the resource draw of uh implementing this we've heard it's uh it's

[0:15:28] Voice 19: going to be complicated we're going to figure it out but at one point and it follows on what

[0:15:32] Voice 19: trustee patrick just said about how these plans are going to be in place before funding decisions

[0:15:37] Voice 19: are but budgetary decisions are made the background to that and it does relate to a resource resource

[0:15:45] Voice 19: drug because fundamental to this process is going is is that it is going to require more time and

[0:15:52] Voice 19: attention dedicated by staff and trustees to the development of business cases uh they can't be

[0:16:00] Voice 19: superficial they're going to be drilled into uh in some detail uh the process for reviewing them

[0:16:09] Voice 19: is probably going to be uh it's going to have to be developed we're going to have to have new policy

[0:16:14] Voice 19: see along those lines. But whether it's in the long term or on the transitional stage,

[0:16:19] Voice 19: certainly I can tell you, I think the FPC's role is going to be to put on the green eye shades and

[0:16:25] Voice 19: look really hard at business cases. We may have a situation where there's a really powerful

[0:16:31] Voice 19: business case that gets rejected, not on its merits, but because we're looking at all of the

[0:16:37] Voice 19: other resource allocations, and it's just not meeting the threshold of priority. There's only

[0:16:43] Voice 19: only so much we can do. This is the real challenge of this process. We're going to have to learn to

[0:16:49] Voice 19: say no. And that's going to be hard.

[0:16:56] Trustee Luckham: So, counsel, if we're going to, this is obviously an interesting

[0:17:00] Trustee Luckham: topic and there's lots of conversation we could have. At the moment, we're compromising our

[0:17:04] Trustee Luckham: visioning session. And I'm really worried about that. If we want to talk about this further,

[0:17:08] Trustee Luckham: absolutely. But I think I want to do it later. So if you've got just like a couple of sentences

[0:17:13] Trustee Luckham: Susie, you need to chime in and see Grant Scott down here, and then I'm going to go to the CAO, and we're going to move on.

[0:17:19] Trustee Luckham: So, Deb Morrison?

[0:17:20] Trustee Luckham: I can put the motion on the

[0:17:21] Voice 38: table, if that's all good with Karen.

[0:17:23] Trustee Luckham: Well, we have this motion already on the table.

[0:17:26] Voice 38: I know nobody's moved it, have they?

[0:17:28] Trustee Luckham: We moved and seconded it yesterday.

[0:17:31] Voice 38: No, we didn't. Did we?

[0:17:33] Voice 38: We

[0:17:34] Trustee Luckham: moved and seconded it yesterday.

[0:17:36] Voice 38: Okay. Sorry, I was going to put the motion on the table.

[0:17:38] Voice 38: I can put the second one

[0:17:39] Voice 38: on the table when we come to that.

[0:17:40] Voice 38: just to say that I'm deeply in favor of this process because it's been

[0:17:44] Voice 38: something for four

[0:17:45] Voice 38: years that I've been struggling with of how we've been planning so thank you excellent

[0:17:48] Voice 38: grant

[0:17:49] Voice 21: Scott yeah I thought we just moved yesterday to defer to today I didn't realize we actually

[0:17:55] Voice 21: had the motion that motion on the floor but motion is on the floor yeah well let's do it

[0:18:00] Voice 21: absolutely good

[0:18:02] Trustee Luckham: thank you I did say that at the beginning just for the record all right then I'm

[0:18:08] Trustee Luckham: going to call the vote uh you don't have anything else to say co on this you do okay over to you and

[0:18:13] Trustee Luckham: then we're going to vote uh

[0:18:17] Voice 17: so just so we're clear what we're talking about is from for the rest of

[0:18:23] Voice 17: this this budget cycle will not benefit from this process we're putting this process in place

[0:18:28] Voice 17: so patience i recommend and is going to be the watchword for the next six months as we go through

[0:18:36] Voice 17: the current budget process where we'll try and bring some of these elements to the to the table

[0:18:43] Voice 17: but they won't be as rigorous as they will be in the future the dream is that this is finished

[0:18:50] Voice 17: sometime around june so that you then populate the plan moving into the next budget cycle are

[0:18:57] Voice 17: we generally agreed and we understand that fantastic that's all i just wanted to confirm

[0:19:02] Voice 17: that and the timelines here thanks great so let's vote

[0:19:06] Trustee Luckham: all those in favor online please raise your

[0:19:11] Trustee Luckham: hands digitally or otherwise yeah and please lower your hands any opposed somebody's

[0:19:18] Voice 36: phone is ringing

[0:19:19] Voice 36: nobody opposed all

[0:19:24] Trustee Luckham: right that carries so uh we're now going to move into the visioning

[0:19:27] Trustee Luckham: section and ceo you're going to kick us off on this a

[0:19:31] Voice 38: point of order point of order point of

[0:19:33] Trustee Luckham: order there's two motions in the um they were consolidated into one motion

[0:19:39] Voice 31: when judy read the

[0:19:40] Voice 31: motion yeah yeah that's how is that correct judy i think that's how you do that yeah all right

[0:19:50] Voice 31: over to ucao

[0:19:52] Voice 43: thanks

[0:19:55] Voice 17: very much everybody uh it's exciting to be here for uh a visioning session of

[0:20:00] Voice 17: trust council um for the trust area uh we've put aside a couple two or three hours um this might

[0:20:08] Voice 17: might be a 20-minute exercise, or it might be, as is usual, a four-year exercise where we return to

[0:20:14] Voice 17: it in some number of years and bring our best intentions to the fore. But I'm optimistic.

[0:20:21] Voice 17: I'm optimistic, and I repeat, excited. You've got some reporting here that was to

[0:20:29] Voice 17: spark your interest and get you to focus some of your thinking, and we also have a schedule here

[0:20:34] Voice 17: of how we'd like to conduct the next couple of hours i'd ask for your creativity um and give

[0:20:39] Voice 17: each other a break as we go through this process and we know that sometime the last hour we're

[0:20:48] Voice 17: going to have something on this screen that you're going to have to work through collectively right

[0:20:54] Voice 17: um and let's just accept that that will be the case and um and move forward so

[0:21:00] Voice 17: So I just wanted to provide just a couple of, you've got, I don't want to reiterate all of your reporting here.

[0:21:07] Voice 17: On page 87, we do really get to some definitions.

[0:21:13] Voice 17: And I just want to return to the notion, is everyone comfortable with the notion of what visioning is versus purpose, versus mandate, versus mission, versus values?

[0:21:24] Voice 17: Does anyone want to refresh that discussion in any way?

[0:21:30] Voice 17: No.

[0:21:30] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:21:31] Voice 17: Okay, so vision is, and this is, I think, the most critical consideration, it's looking into the future, but it's not looking into the future in terms of the organization, how efficient it is, its organizational values, those kinds of things.

[0:21:47] Voice 17: Your focus is the trust area and how the Islands Trust eventually will bring that future into reality.

[0:21:59] Voice 31: Agreed?

[0:21:59] Voice 31: and

[0:22:01] Voice 17: i'd ask for some informality um chair luckham where trustees can um ask questions and so forth

[0:22:06] Voice 17: yes please i'll

[0:22:08] Trustee Luckham: watch for folks online i

[0:22:11] Voice 18: just wanted to have a point of clarification when

[0:22:15] Voice 18: we're coming to a vision statement that it is a statement versus a paragraph or a page

[0:22:21] Voice 18: um so normally a statement is something very concise that is memorable and um and it's

[0:22:29] Voice 18: repeatable and

[0:22:34] Voice 17: i think those are wise words um however this is not an empty exercise this will

[0:22:41] Voice 17: explain to others um what's important and what your contribution and future trust council

[0:22:48] Voice 17: contributions will be to this region and it will um the rest of our work um the policy statement

[0:22:55] Voice 17: um strategic planning corporate planning is is how we're going to achieve those achieve those ends i

[0:23:01] Voice 17: I turn to page 88.

[0:23:02] Voice 17: There's a few examples here.

[0:23:03] Voice 17: I think there's a couple of particular note

[0:23:06] Voice 17: that ring just as this type of organization,

[0:23:11] Voice 17: that rings true for an organization like this.

[0:23:14] Voice 17: I turn to North Cowichan,

[0:23:15] Voice 17: a spectacular natural areas and pastoral farmlands

[0:23:18] Voice 17: around distinct resilient communities

[0:23:20] Voice 17: where families and individuals of all backgrounds

[0:23:22] Voice 17: have the opportunity to thrive and prosper.

[0:23:24] Voice 17: So that's about the place.

[0:23:26] Voice 17: It's about the people in it

[0:23:27] Voice 17: and it's got community elements associated with it.

[0:23:31] Voice 17: It's not about how North Cowichan is going to be the most efficient organization on Vancouver Island.

[0:23:38] Voice 17: So those are some examples for you to tap into.

[0:23:42] Voice 17: In terms of the workshop setting today, we said that we'd take a couple of key phrases from yesterday that were inspiring or at least summarize some of your thinking.

[0:23:55] Voice 17: And I wrote that only a couple really came up that I think would be touchstones.

[0:23:58] Voice 17: zones. What we're going to do is we're going to break up into groups a couple of times.

[0:24:02] Voice 17: There's lots of room within this facility. As opposed to when we did the SWAT analysis,

[0:24:07] Voice 17: this time you're going to do it on a self-organized basis. Six to seven people and get into the groups

[0:24:13] Voice 17: that you'd like to be in. And I think there's a really good reason for that. And that we can

[0:24:17] Voice 17: have different ideas. If people have similar thoughts and they want to work together,

[0:24:21] Voice 17: we'd have different ideas put up against each other as we go through the day.

[0:24:25] Voice 17: day. But coming out of yesterday, we said, what are some key concepts that could inform this

[0:24:32] Voice 17: discussion? Well, one, I think the actual statement that will be released is one that you could

[0:24:37] Voice 17: return to for some inspiration. The notion of balance was a repeated concept as it relates to

[0:24:46] Voice 17: the visioning, and the notion of islands, what it means to be on an island that's unique,

[0:24:52] Voice 17: unique island communities.

[0:24:54] Voice 17: And we won't proceed too much further without acknowledging the work in 2016.

[0:24:59] Voice 17: 16. I would look at this pictorial rendering of this one,

[0:25:09] Voice 31: two, three, four, five, six,

[0:25:23] Voice 31: there are six, seven, here's the most, but yes. So this pictorial rendering

[0:25:35] Voice 17: and I put

[0:25:36] Voice 17: um in your reporting four vision statements that um were competitive ideas that went forward

[0:25:44] Voice 31: uh bless everyone's collective hearts they just couldn't trust council couldn't land

[0:25:48] Voice 31: at the end of the day if you ask me which you are i

[0:25:53] Voice 17: think it got a bit worse

[0:25:54] Voice 17: as opposed to principle-based ideas that we generally agree on so i appeal to you

[0:26:02] Voice 17: to be less wordsmithy as you engage in this

[0:26:06] Voice 17: and get to the heart of what you think

[0:26:09] Voice 31: are the key principles moving forward

[0:26:11] Voice 31: in establishing some sort of vision.

[0:26:13] Voice 31: It is most likely that this vision

[0:26:15] Voice 31: would naturally fit as an introduction

[0:26:19] Voice 31: to the policy statement.

[0:26:21] Voice 31: Because the policy statement, of course,

[0:26:23] Voice 31: describes how a vision or a future will be realized.

[0:26:28] Voice 31: Are we comfortable with that thought?

[0:26:31] Voice 31: And then I'd add that we've got this downstairs

[0:26:34] Voice 31: stairs and we've got this here take a look at this and see how similar your thinking is to the

[0:26:41] Voice 31: thinking of the previous well two councils ago and

[0:26:45] Voice 17: to see what's harmonious and what you can rip off

[0:26:47] Voice 31: of um

[0:26:48] Voice 17: to achieve some sort of vision uh when i look at the four offerings here uh you know i

[0:26:57] Voice 17: could pick at any one of them i would i would also suggest that you avoid how don't say we're

[0:27:04] Voice 17: What do you envision of da-da-da-da-da, and we're going to do it this way?

[0:27:09] Voice 17: That's a process question.

[0:27:10] Voice 17: That's the tools by which we will render that.

[0:27:13] Voice 17: It's to try and stick to the forward, future-oriented thoughts.

[0:27:20] Voice 17: So with that, I would ask you, so here's how the day is going to go.

[0:27:23] Voice 17: We are going to get Eric Pelkey is going to join us probably around 9.30

[0:27:27] Voice 17: and provide some insights from his perspective around the future of this area,

[0:27:31] Voice 17: which, of course, you need to be informed by as you're doing your work

[0:27:34] Voice 17: from a reconciliation perspective and across this region and the interests of nations

[0:27:40] Voice 17: so he will express that around 9 30 and he'll provide remarks for about half an hour and we're

[0:27:48] Voice 17: going to sandwich that with you now breaking into groups there's room downstairs you can sit in a

[0:27:55] Voice 17: room here and there's there's actually two rooms you could into the empty space into the sort of

[0:28:00] Voice 17: the community room i would call it um a staff person will go with you for assistance if you

[0:28:05] Voice 17: wish and the first part is simply to discuss don't start writing things down yet i appreciate

[0:28:12] Voice 17: that there's been some two or three great offerings already provided by um you know

[0:28:17] Voice 17: we'll get those up on the board you can look at them so we will not move past that moment

[0:28:22] Voice 17: um but go and just start discussing what are some of the key um some of your key ideas for

[0:28:31] Voice 17: a vision that's simply the first portion of this you've got the key phrases share your individual

[0:28:36] Voice 17: visions we'll go for about half an hour 40 minutes and then we'll come and bring you back

[0:28:40] Voice 17: for mr pokey to speak you will then go back and begin to craft and then you will bring three or

[0:28:48] Voice 17: four versions and god bless us all we're going to put them on the screen and we'll work through them

[0:28:56] Voice 17: together in the last hour or so unless we're divine inspiration brings um one specific one

[0:29:03] Voice 17: forward divine inspiration or natural inspiration are there any questions do we do we have some

[0:29:09] Voice 17: collective goodwill around approaching this for the next couple of hours what's your time frame

[0:29:16] Voice 17: for thinking let's establish that alex allen and i had a pleasant evening last night and he's got

[0:29:23] Voice 17: his time frame i'm not going to say what it is he'll be able to share that with whatever group

[0:29:28] Voice 17: he's in but what do you think would be a reasonable time frame for you to vision

[0:29:33] Voice 17: 10 years 20 years 30 years 50 years how do you feel that the work you're doing and the work

[0:29:44] Voice 17: trust council will be doing in the near term how far out do you

[0:29:48] Voice 31: think you could 25 10. i

[0:30:00] Voice 17: expect Mr. Pelkey will have a long-term approach associated with this. I would urge you to

[0:30:08] Voice 17: be as long in your term thinking as you can feel comfortable with.

[0:30:14] Trustee Luckham: Let's do it.

[0:30:15] Trustee Luckham: So, CEO, before we all dash off, the online members, I think the assumption was that that

[0:30:21] Trustee Luckham: online group will converse with themselves through the Zoom session. Is that correct?

[0:30:25] Trustee Luckham: That is.

[0:30:27] Voice 17: Yes. So do you know how many people we would have in this session?

[0:30:31] Voice 17: There's three, by the looks of it. OK. All

[0:30:34] Trustee Luckham: right. OK.

[0:30:37] Trustee Luckham: And the online folks understand that you'll have a conversation amongst yourselves.

[0:30:41] Voice 17: We'll see you back here in about half an hour. Self

[0:30:45] Voice 31: -organized.

[0:30:46] Voice 31: 930. So it is my my honor

[0:30:56] Trustee Luckham: to introduce Chief Eric Pelkey.

[0:30:59] Trustee Luckham: from SAO, lives in Saanich, and grateful that you've been able to join us here today on short

[0:31:08] Trustee Luckham: notice to share with us a vision for the future. And Eric has a lot of experience, more than 25

[0:31:19] Trustee Luckham: years working in First Nations throughout the territories, and I'm really glad that he's here

[0:31:25] Trustee Luckham: today and so i'll turn it over to chief pelkey thank you oh

[0:31:30] Voice 30: yeah hi my traditional name is

[0:31:36] Voice 30: from sale of the christian nation and uh the four of our villages uh and uh spanish are uh

[0:31:50] Voice 30: say outside of popchin and sycam and

[0:31:54] Voice 31: uh but our

[0:31:57] Voice 30: territory is it's much larger

[0:31:59] Voice 31: But I really want to actually welcome you to our territory, to the territory of our people, of the territory over the Malahat and out

[0:32:26] Voice 30: to the Gulf Islands here, and actually to the active pass, Galeano Island, and then just across and halfway through South Spring.

[0:32:43] Voice 30: And so that is our territory, and we were cut off and part of our territory by the creation of the American and Canada border, which divided us.

[0:33:01] Voice 30: And so the San Juan Islands was traditionally part of our territory, and a lot of our people

[0:33:10] Voice 30: were alienated from us as a result of the creation of the American border.

[0:33:18] Voice 30: And so a lot of them end up across on the U.S. side because San Juan Islands wouldn't

[0:33:27] Voice 30: recognize any of their tribal lands so they end up moving to the mainland but uh i was uh

[0:33:37] Voice 30: talking to your chairman he was talking about having uh just arrived and uh i thought that

[0:33:45] Voice 30: was kind of funny because uh our uh our term for anybody that's not our people is uh

[0:33:53] Voice 30: Klinitin we call

[0:33:56] Voice 30: everybody that's not us

[0:33:58] Voice 30: and then what that

[0:34:00] Voice 30: really means is just arrived

[0:34:02] Voice 30: just arrived

[0:34:04] Voice 30: so that's what Klinitin

[0:34:07] Voice 30: means

[0:34:07] Voice 30: that's how our people refer to anybody

[0:34:10] Voice 30: that's not our people

[0:34:12] Voice 30: so

[0:34:13] Voice 30: I could feel Klinitin

[0:34:17] Voice 30: I

[0:34:22] Voice 31: just

[0:34:23] Voice 31: wanted to

[0:34:24] Voice 31: I guess

[0:34:28] Voice 31: I don't know if I've told you the story of this already, of the Great Flood.

[0:34:36] Voice 30: I don't recall if I told you that when I met you in Victoria.

[0:34:42] Voice 30: But our people are the Spanish nation.

[0:34:48] Voice 30: And the reason why we are the Spanish nation is because of the Great Flood

[0:34:54] Voice 30: that happened in our territory over 10,000 years ago.

[0:34:58] Voice 30: and the Creator came down to our people and said,

[0:35:02] Voice 30: you have to prepare yourself because all of your lands

[0:35:07] Voice 30: and all of the waters in your territory are going to be flooded.

[0:35:11] Voice 30: There's going to be a great flood coming.

[0:35:15] Voice 30: And so some of our people did prepare.

[0:35:19] Voice 30: Some of our people did find giant cedar trees and built great canoes.

[0:35:25] Voice 30: And from the inner bark of the cedar trees,

[0:35:31] Voice 30: you could make a really strong rope and that's what they did they they made hundreds of feet

[0:35:40] Voice 30: long and uh the creator told them to prepare and prepare their families and get ready for the great

[0:35:48] Voice 30: flood and you know and those days just like today there's there's people who who listen

[0:35:57] Voice 30: and those who scoff and in those days a lot of people said this land could never never

[0:36:04] Voice 30: never flood, because of the way that we are here, this land could never flood.

[0:36:12] Voice 30: So they didn't prepare at all, but the people who did, did prepare, did make those canoes

[0:36:20] Voice 30: and did make those cedar ropes hundreds of feet long.

[0:36:25] Voice 30: And one day the sky did start to darken, the thunder and lightning came and the rain started

[0:36:37] Voice 30: coming down in torrents.

[0:36:40] Voice 30: And it's just like when the atmospheric river happened

[0:36:45] Voice 30: around here, that's how hard the rain was coming down.

[0:36:51] Voice 30: Our ancestors told us it was coming down in buckets

[0:36:54] Voice 30: and it didn't stop and the water began to rise.

[0:36:59] Voice 30: The water began to rise and the people there

[0:37:05] Voice 30: got into their canoes and they watched as their villagers

[0:37:09] Voice 30: and their lands disappeared around them, all around our entire territory.

[0:37:15] Voice 30: The lands started disappearing, and the water continued to rise,

[0:37:21] Voice 30: and the last thing that they could see is the mountains known as Ceolna to our people.

[0:37:29] Voice 30: Ceolna is that mountain that's right beside the airport, and it's got that big white ball on the top.

[0:37:35] Voice 30: That's Ceolna, and that's actually the

[0:37:38] Voice 31: highest point in our territory.

[0:37:42] Voice 31: So

[0:37:44] Voice 30: the people paddled over to Tsleil-Waututh and they tied off their canoes to the giant

[0:37:51] Voice 30: Arbutus trees that are on the top of Tsleil-Waututh and tied their canoes off.

[0:37:56] Voice 30: And then the water continued to rise and pretty soon Tsleil-Waututh disappeared.

[0:38:05] Voice 30: And the water continued to rise so all of the land disappeared and then it stopped.

[0:38:13] Voice 30: So they don't know, they didn't know how many days they were up there, up there and floating

[0:38:22] Voice 30: around there, but they were, they were happy that their, their rope secured them, secured

[0:38:30] Voice 30: them to sail, so that they didn't drift,

[0:38:33] Voice 31: drift away.

[0:38:34] Voice 31: And one day they were, they were up there

[0:38:40] Voice 30: floating around with all their people and

[0:38:43] Voice 30: And a raven came down and it flew down and landed,

[0:38:47] Voice 30: landed on the, on the chief's canoe.

[0:38:50] Voice 30: And it had a cedar branch in its mouth.

[0:38:53] Voice 30: And the chief took the cedar branch

[0:38:57] Voice 30: and he showed the people and he said,

[0:38:59] Voice 30: the house, the creator sent us a sign here

[0:39:02] Voice 30: that the land is going to come back.

[0:39:05] Voice 30: And then the people started to notice right away

[0:39:09] Voice 30: that the water still started to go down.

[0:39:12] Voice 30: Going down, going down,

[0:39:14] Voice 30: pretty soon they could see the top of,

[0:39:17] Voice 30: top of Thayolna and they untied their communities from Thayolna and the water

[0:39:24] Voice 30: continued to need to go down and pretty soon the Shanish peninsula and all the islands and

[0:39:31] Voice 30: everything in the mountains started to appear again and Thales the creator came down to them

[0:39:38] Voice 31: and said this is Khursanich, Khursanich the

[0:39:45] Voice 30: emerging land, that's what Khursanich means

[0:39:49] Voice 30: and

[0:39:50] Voice 31: you are Sanich people, the Sanich people, the emerging people.

[0:40:01] Voice 31: So that's how we became the Sanich people, the emerging people.

[0:40:08] Voice 30: From the Great Flood that happened 10,000 years ago.

[0:40:15] Voice 30: So, you know, when the first settlers came, they landed in Sanich and Sanich

[0:40:23] Voice 30: And they asked our people, what is the name of this place?

[0:40:29] Voice 30: And they said, Krasanich.

[0:40:32] Voice 30: And of course, they didn't know how to pronounce Krasanich.

[0:40:36] Voice 30: So they called it Sanich.

[0:40:39] Voice 30: That's where the name Sanich came from.

[0:40:42] Voice 30: Because they couldn't pronounce Krasanich.

[0:40:45] Voice 30: So that's a little bit of history of how we became who we are.

[0:40:53] Voice 30: And how Sanich became what it is.

[0:40:56] Voice 30: Because when we were growing up, Saanich was all of the peninsula. There was no division,

[0:41:05] Voice 30: no division between all these little municipalities all over the place. It was all just Saanich. So,

[0:41:12] Voice 30: you know, we we recognize that it's always recognized as part of our territory. So,

[0:41:19] Voice 30: So when you travel around, you'll realize why we are the Spanish people.

[0:41:28] Voice 30: And the southern Gulf Islands is part of our territory.

[0:41:33] Voice 30: And historically, through many battles and wars and so forth,

[0:41:38] Voice 30: with our neighbors, the Haltomian people,

[0:41:42] Voice 30: a peace was brought about by the creation of a boundary,

[0:41:49] Voice 30: respect and boundary between us and for us that's active past and on one side this is main island

[0:41:58] Voice 30: the other galliano and we understand that that that is the border between us between us and the

[0:42:06] Voice 30: people and so we respect that and on the other side of us is the lakwungan people

[0:42:17] Voice 30: Lekwungen people and our border is between them is runs through Gordon Head and right by

[0:42:28] Voice 30: the mountains and on out to Langford and Gulfstream. So we respect each other's

[0:42:36] Voice 30: territories and each other's boundaries but in truth we are still all one people,

[0:42:43] Voice 30: We all have one culture and speak slightly different languages, but we are really interrelated to each other.

[0:42:56] Voice 30: You know, one day I was called out to Salt Spring Island.

[0:43:04] Voice 30: Some of our neighbors of our reserve that we have out there called me up and said,

[0:43:10] Voice 30: you have to come out here and deal with human remains that are on your beach.

[0:43:17] Voice 30: And she said that the erosion has caused the wall of the beach to cave in.

[0:43:26] Voice 30: And now there's remains, some human remains on the beach,

[0:43:31] Voice 30: because we could see skulls, bones, and so forth.

[0:43:36] Voice 30: So we took some of our spiritual people out there,

[0:43:40] Voice 30: and some of our, what do we call it, grave diggers,

[0:43:42] Voice 30: who are the only people that are allowed to handle remains.

[0:43:47] Voice 30: and

[0:43:49] Voice 31: some of our respected elders.

[0:43:56] Voice 31: So

[0:43:56] Voice 30: we went out there on the beach at Fulford Harbor.

[0:44:03] Voice 30: We found those remains and we brought with us

[0:44:06] Voice 30: an archeologist so we could find out how old

[0:44:10] Voice 30: these remains are and have an idea of who it is.

[0:44:16] Voice 30: But the archeologist asked us to spread out

[0:44:21] Voice 30: a blanket on the beach and she picked up all the bones that she could find on the beach and

[0:44:29] Voice 30: amongst those remains and then she reconstructed a skeleton and then showed us that it was one man

[0:44:38] Voice 30: and I was really surprised because she even found the little finger bones and toe bones

[0:44:45] Voice 30: amongst all that

[0:44:47] Voice 30: and had them all in the right place

[0:44:49] Voice 30: and she found

[0:44:51] Voice 30: arrowheads and axe heads

[0:44:55] Voice 30: spearheads and

[0:44:57] Voice 30: beads, certain kind of beads

[0:44:59] Voice 30: and

[0:45:01] Voice 30: she said all of these things must have

[0:45:03] Voice 30: belonged to this person, that's why they're there

[0:45:06] Voice 30: and she said from

[0:45:09] Voice 30: what

[0:45:10] Voice 30: those implements were made of

[0:45:14] Voice 30: that she

[0:45:17] Voice 30: estimated that this

[0:45:18] Voice 30: person this remains

[0:45:19] Voice 31: was about 5 000 years old elders that were there

[0:45:27] Voice 30: with us said told us you

[0:45:30] Voice 30: know we have to go pick some medicines and make some cleansing medicines for you all of you that

[0:45:39] Voice 30: are here today because we don't know what this person carried we don't know who he is or what he

[0:45:47] Voice 30: carried so we're going to cleanse all of you and uh so they left and they were about to pick up

[0:45:54] Voice 30: pick out the medicines and bring them back and uh the archaeologist uh asked me to sit with her

[0:46:03] Voice 30: for a while we're waiting for them so i sat with her and she was saying i just wanted to ask you

[0:46:10] Voice 30: if you knew about a great flood that happened around here about 10,000 years ago and i said

[0:46:19] Voice 30: oh yeah i do and all of our people know that and uh he said wow she said i i i do work all around

[0:46:31] Voice 30: the peninsula here in victoria and the gulf islands san juan islands everywhere i go i find

[0:46:40] Voice 30: all these signs of a great flood that happened here maybe 10 to 12 000 years ago she said

[0:46:46] Voice 30: so she said that i was just wondering if i didn't know if your people knew about that

[0:46:53] Voice 30: so yes i told her the story about the great flood so she was she was pretty shocked she said you

[0:47:02] Voice 30: know i went to school on the peninsula here all my life all high school and my last high school

[0:47:10] Voice 30: was claremont and then i went to uvic then i went to simon fraser she said but in all those

[0:47:18] Voice 30: those years why haven't I heard this before why has nobody taught this to us the people who live

[0:47:28] Voice 30: here and I said because people are trying to hide our history alienate us from our lands and our

[0:47:37] Voice 30: history and our teachings so they hid all that and then refused to have it as part of the education

[0:47:44] Voice 30: So she was pretty surprised at that, and she said, you know, what really amazes me is that

[0:47:55] Voice 30: this is part of your oral history, and it's been passed down, passed down from generation

[0:48:00] Voice 30: to generation for 10,000 years, she said, so that's how strong your history is.

[0:48:08] Voice 30: She said to hear that, and you know, when I came home that day, I was telling my father

[0:48:20] Voice 31: And he said, well, you know, it

[0:48:24] Voice 30: really makes your heart feel good to know that there's physical evidence of your history, of our history.

[0:48:32] Voice 30: So physical evidence that the things that we've been teaching and you've been learning, there's also physical evidence that these things did happen and it's part of our history.

[0:48:45] Voice 30: So, you know, that really made my heart feel good to know that the things that we grew

[0:48:54] Voice 30: up with, that can be proven, can be proven.

[0:48:58] Voice 30: And so we recognize who we are and that we have a history that old in the territory that

[0:49:08] Voice 30: we already lived here before the Great Flood.

[0:49:11] Voice 30: We already lived here.

[0:49:12] Voice 30: And

[0:49:14] Voice 31: after the Great Flood, then we became the Samish people.

[0:49:18] Voice 31: So I spent

[0:49:25] Voice 30: a lot of time with our neighboring nations, the Kwame people and the Altamena people

[0:49:32] Voice 30: and also the Thulani people down across the line because we are all

[0:49:38] Voice 31: interrelated to each other.

[0:49:41] Voice 31: And my great-grandmother is

[0:49:47] Voice 30: from Towichan, my grandmother.

[0:49:50] Voice 30: And on the other side, my great-grandmother is from Laquan, from Songhees.

[0:50:01] Voice 30: And then my mother's family is from Chilliwack, Jackson, Chilliwack tribes.

[0:50:07] Voice 30: So there's a lot of interrelationship amongst our people and a lot of it has to do with

[0:50:15] Voice 30: our culture.

[0:50:17] Voice 30: Our culture in some places, the entire northwest of the United States and up here into Canada

[0:50:26] Voice 30: and up as far as Qualcomm on the island of the Port Winfrey and up as far as Squamish

[0:50:34] Voice 30: over in the mainland and up to the Fraser Valley up to the Fraser Canyon that is our cultural area

[0:50:43] Voice 30: that we we spend a lot of time visiting each other for cultural purposes and having ceremonies

[0:50:51] Voice 30: amongst each other so we keep close ties to all of our our neighbors and our people and it's the

[0:50:59] Voice 30: It's the culture that binds us all together, you

[0:51:04] Voice 31: know, and the reason why we have a treaty,

[0:51:10] Voice 31: a treaty and a percentage is

[0:51:16] Voice 30: because of our beliefs.

[0:51:18] Voice 31: In

[0:51:20] Voice 30: 1852, our people were about to kill Sir James Douglas and wipe out Fort Victoria,

[0:51:29] Voice 30: But there was a missionary priest that was working amongst our people that spoke Sanchasana, our language.

[0:51:41] Voice 30: And he came before the chiefs and said not to kill these people.

[0:51:47] Voice 30: They're spiritual people.

[0:51:49] Voice 30: They believe in bells.

[0:51:51] Voice 30: They believe in the creator, just like you do.

[0:51:54] Voice 30: Just like you do.

[0:51:56] Voice 30: And you shouldn't kill them because they have the same beliefs as you.

[0:52:02] Voice 30: So for that reason, our chiefs made that decision in 1852 not to kill the Haudenosaunee, not to kill the Sir James Douglas and his army because of the words from a priest that said they were a spiritual people just like us, believing in cows.

[0:52:26] Voice 30: house and that's always been the way of our elders they tell us that everything you do you do with a

[0:52:36] Voice 30: prayer you do with a prayer you give thanks for everything everything that you receive everything

[0:52:44] Voice 30: that you take you give thanks to and so that is what our elders say

[0:52:51] Voice 31: everything with a prayer

[0:52:53] Voice 31: I'd like to stop there and thank you, and

[0:53:01] Voice 30: if you have any questions, I could answer

[0:53:05] Voice 30: questions for you, but otherwise I just wanted to come out here to educate you as to who

[0:53:11] Voice 30: we are, who we are, and actually welcome you to our territory.

[0:53:17] Voice 30: that

[0:53:19] Voice 30: Post Cove

[0:53:21] Voice 30: where the

[0:53:23] Voice 30: resort is actually

[0:53:24] Voice 30: one of our villages

[0:53:27] Voice 30: that was taken away from us

[0:53:29] Voice 30: out here on the island

[0:53:31] Voice 30: and you know

[0:53:34] Voice 30: when they were excavating that

[0:53:36] Voice 30: they found the remains of our people

[0:53:38] Voice 31: there and it

[0:53:41] Voice 30: proved

[0:53:42] Voice 30: that our people were there

[0:53:45] Voice 30: and we actually

[0:53:48] Voice 30: had one of our

[0:53:50] Voice 30: our chief that was actually the chief at the time the land was taken he died in sale and

[0:53:58] Voice 31: he asked to

[0:53:59] Voice 31: be brought back out here we buried at his old school there was a little island out there called

[0:54:08] Voice 31: skull island and that's where

[0:54:11] Voice 30: he was buried but you know when later on the poet school people

[0:54:16] Voice 30: agreed but let those remains be brought back and they set aside a piece of land in the resort there

[0:54:25] Voice 30: and he was reburied there in his home. So

[0:54:30] Voice 30: our family had a big attachment to this area

[0:54:34] Voice 30: and we traditionally used the entire island for hunting deer and my great great uncle

[0:54:45] Voice 30: made a pretty good living trapping

[0:54:48] Voice 31: out here and in

[0:54:51] Voice 30: those days he would have been considered a

[0:54:56] Voice 30: millionaire you know all the all the money he made from from his trapping all through the gulf island

[0:55:05] Voice 30: but you know he was one of those people that shared shared his wealth amongst the family

[0:55:12] Voice 30: so he was never a really rich man but he was a wealthy man because he shared what he had

[0:55:20] Voice 30: and that that's the teachings of our people so i'm just gonna i'd like to thank you

[0:55:25] Voice 30: thank you for listening to me

[0:55:27] Voice 30: learning about me

[0:55:29] Voice 30: and learning about the Spanish people

[0:55:31] Voice 31: and you asked

[0:55:41] Voice 31: if there were any questions

[0:55:42] Voice 31: so I'd like to see

[0:55:44] Voice 31: does anybody have a question

[0:55:45] Voice 31: I think we have

[0:55:50] Voice 31: oh there you go

[0:55:51] Voice 31: and your

[0:56:04] Voice 28: culture

[0:56:05] Voice 28: and those stories

[0:56:07] Voice 28: are really important to us

[0:56:09] Voice 28: and we need more interrelationship

[0:56:12] Voice 28: and sharing and I know this council wants to do more learning and how we can undertake to work

[0:56:20] Voice 28: together and steward these lands and waters so I was wondering what do you have a vision for these

[0:56:27] Voice 28: lands and waters what what do you envision for the future and how we can work together

[0:56:38] Voice 30: I'm not sure how well you know of what's going on on Sydney Island, the eradication of the fallow deer.

[0:56:48] Voice 30: And that's one of the projects that we've been participating in because we have seen the devastation that this invasive species, the fallow deer, has caused on that island.

[0:57:06] Voice 30: and we have seen the disappearance of the traditional meat of our people,

[0:57:15] Voice 30: the black-tailed deer,

[0:57:17] Voice 30: and we've seen the disappearance of the plants and medicines

[0:57:22] Voice 30: that we use as a people disappear

[0:57:24] Voice 30: because the fallow deer are like the equivalent of goats.

[0:57:31] Voice 30: They eat everything.

[0:57:33] Voice 30: Eat everything.

[0:57:35] Voice 30: Nothing can grow.

[0:57:37] Voice 30: old and when we go out there we see nothing but but older trees and no new plants coming up no

[0:57:45] Voice 30: no more medicines and uh it's all because the fallow deer are so plentiful that they're eating

[0:57:53] Voice 30: everything so our our goal there was the restoration of the of the ecosystem on sydney

[0:58:02] Voice 30: island and then really uh we we consider preservation to be paramount and and in our

[0:58:12] Voice 30: lands and our territory preservation preservation of what's there and letting things grow letting

[0:58:19] Voice 30: things live and then taking what you you need not what you want so that there's a balance

[0:58:27] Voice 30: between us and Mother Nature.

[0:58:31] Voice 30: So I really, our main concern is always preservation,

[0:58:37] Voice 30: preservation of nature.

[0:58:40] Voice 31: Thank you.

[0:59:15] Voice 31: As unaccustomed as I am at being at a podium,

[0:59:18] Voice 31: which

[0:59:18] Trustee Luckham: is interesting, let's take a break.

[0:59:20] Trustee Luckham: I think we have 15 minutes scheduled

[0:59:22] Trustee Luckham: and then we'll come back together,

[0:59:24] Trustee Luckham: reflect upon what we've heard.

[0:59:26] Trustee Luckham: Perhaps there's an opportunity to start to speak

[0:59:28] Trustee Luckham: with Chief Pelkey if you have any further questions

[0:59:30] Trustee Luckham: and amongst each other.

[0:59:32] Trustee Luckham: and then we'll come back for the next

[0:59:33] Voice 31: portion of the session.

[0:59:34] Voice 31: Thank you, Council.

[1:19:07] Voice 31: to use the am well once again thanks

[1:19:14] Voice 17: very much to uh mr pelkey appreciate your inspiring the

[1:19:18] Voice 17: trustees as they work on their visioning um so we've done part one which was an exchange of ideas

[1:19:26] Voice 17: uh some groups are precocious and have already landed on on something let's be happy for those

[1:19:36] Voice 17: people but there are other people as well and who are sort of mid ideas just

[1:19:43] Voice 17: working a couple things through we are now tasked for the next half hour as we

[1:19:47] Voice 17: move to doing this in the plenary session with go back to your groups if

[1:19:53] Voice 17: you could and now begin to refine something into an expression of the

[1:19:59] Voice 17: future you've been talking about the ideas around the future let's move to

[1:20:03] Voice 17: out how we express that what kind of active language we're using um uh factoring in what

[1:20:10] Voice 17: we've just heard over the last half hour and um we'll come back and we'll bring it all together

[1:20:18] Voice 17: in about half an hour we'll put the ideas on the screen as well as any others and then it's on okay

[1:20:26] Voice 17: Okay. Is

[1:20:29] Voice 31: that enough? Any other questions? Concerns?

[1:20:37] Voice 31: So would the ideal approach be that each group

[1:20:40] Voice 28: presents sort of one example that we've reached

[1:20:42] Voice 31: consensus on?

[1:20:45] Voice 17: That would be ideal. And it's not perfect. I completely understand that.

[1:20:52] Voice 17: Because in your group, you still might have, you might not walk out of there with everyone in complete unity,

[1:20:56] Voice 17: but you're going to get as close as you can with the time you've been given.

[1:20:59] Voice 17: And if there's a profound thought that this needs to be a two day conversation at some point, then, you know, bring that to the table, too.

[1:21:05] Voice 17: But maybe that's not the case. So it's the law of averages.

[1:21:11] Voice 17: And if we can get some core concepts together and get them on.

[1:21:15] Voice 17: So bring a unified statement, if you can, to the next round in half an hour from now.

[1:21:21] Voice 17: I

[1:21:22] Voice 38: think one of the things that might be helpful too is if we come to unified statements the

[1:21:27] Voice 38: tension is that we have like four or five unified statements that then we want to duke it out over

[1:21:32] Voice 38: and I think it might be helpful like if there are particular phrases or words that are really

[1:21:37] Voice 38: resonant with the group that we highlight those in particular would be helpful.

[1:21:43] Voice 17: I think that's a fantastic suggestion and that is that either bold perhaps or if you've got

[1:21:50] Voice 17: a core thought principle or concept and you've got some great wording let's do that maybe we

[1:21:54] Voice 17: can knit those together um as we go forward the other idea is let's not you don't have to feel

[1:22:00] Voice 17: pressure by 11 30 to quote unquote have the vision we might come up with a great amalgam

[1:22:07] Voice 17: or a synthesis of thought and we can write it up here and you can stare at it for the next day

[1:22:13] Voice 17: and go how does this feel does it need a little bit of refinement and let's look at the end of

[1:22:18] Voice 17: tomorrow maybe as you know um an opportunity to say we're comfortable and we could move forward

[1:22:26] Voice 17: so with that i've babbled enough are you good chair welcome to move back into our groups

[1:22:32] Voice 17: absolutely any lingering questions at all we're clear

[1:22:36] Voice 36: on what we're going to do sort

[1:22:38] Voice 18: of um i think

[1:22:41] Voice 18: i think russ was talking about us so we've sort of landed already on um something we'd like to

[1:22:47] Voice 18: present should we maybe go and sit in on other groups to hear what they have to say we haven't

[1:22:50] Voice 18: actually

[1:22:51] Voice 31: discussed that okay Joe agrees in principle but he wants to elaborate

[1:23:22] Voice 31: choices and focus on what we

[1:23:25] Voice 18: like within them maybe we can come up with something together

[1:23:31] Voice 33: well thank you for that

[1:23:33] Voice 32: and you know that's the

[1:23:34] That's one of the benefits we can get to shorten the process, and we might get there, but we've

[1:23:40] heard, I'll just be summarizing,

[1:23:45] Voice 31: it's almost the value of the lesson, right?

[1:23:51] Voice 31: Some aspirational thought, so less processing language is key.

[1:23:57] Voice 31: You're bravely discussing how to pull in the nature of a reconciliation for vulnerability

[1:24:03] Voice 31: here without being explicit, making it a how-to, right?

[1:24:08] Voice 31: use your microphone

[1:24:09] Voice 39: yeah yeah

[1:24:13] Voice 31: and the notion that there's creative

[1:24:20] Voice 17: ways to maybe get to that space

[1:24:21] Voice 17: by using the word sayless c um so i'm hearing those uh three ideas i heard the words restore

[1:24:29] Voice 17: as well as potentially a concept and that there's two or three that might have some momentum

[1:24:35] Voice 17: associated with them so so far in the conversation that's what i'm hearing i'll go to chair luck now

[1:24:39] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:24:40] Trustee Luckham: I just want to point out the word Salish Sea.

[1:24:45] Trustee Luckham: And certainly I've used this for 10 or 15 years.

[1:24:49] Trustee Luckham: It was raised to our attention at our UBCM breakfast with Madam Olson, MLA Olson, that Salish, what does that mean?

[1:24:56] Trustee Luckham: Like he says, that's just a made up word.

[1:24:58] Trustee Luckham: It doesn't necessarily identify any individual or group or a place.

[1:25:03] Trustee Luckham: so i don't know what the answer to that is but it's been raised a number of times coast

[1:25:09] Trustee Luckham: sailors people sailor c and even by member laxon uh pointed that out in the past over to you oh and

[1:25:20] Trustee Luckham: jamie harris online has something to say

[1:25:22] Voice 38: okay can i respond to that because i know the answer

[1:25:25] Voice 38: to that too thank you yeah

[1:25:27] Trustee Luckham: um

[1:25:28] Voice 38: so i actually had this conversation with lisa um at one point

[1:25:33] Voice 38: because i had used i had pushed back against the word salish feeling like it was appropriation

[1:25:38] Voice 38: and she actually it's salish she is a mapped like process that was stepped through with first

[1:25:46] Voice 38: nations in the region to go into council to think about the word salish and how it was applied to

[1:25:52] Voice 38: the mapping and so that that was actually a process that was then gifted out and to push

[1:25:57] Voice 38: back against the use of it was basically saying that we're not accepting that gift so and we can

[1:26:04] Voice 38: fought we can try to trace that history if we do really want to use that but that was my like a

[1:26:10] Voice 38: quite long multiple hour conversation i had about that at the time because i had pushed back on the

[1:26:15] Voice 38: word salish sea for the reasons you just made perfect

[1:26:17] Trustee Luckham: thank you for that clarity um jamie

[1:26:20] Trustee Luckham: Harris is online actually thank you

[1:26:23] Voice 16: um just to speak to D and possibly D to the

[1:26:29] Voice 16: islands and waters entrusted to our protection so at first glance I'm I see

[1:26:36] Voice 16: will maybe that you know from what we came up with yesterday we're protecting

[1:26:42] Voice 16: here isn't just the environment but maybe that states it here clearly that

[1:26:45] Voice 16: we're not talking about just the environment the islands and waters and

[1:26:49] Voice 16: entrusted to our protection will always be a vibrant tapestry

[1:26:51] Voice 16: of flourishing communities.

[1:26:53] Voice 16: So we're also protecting communities

[1:26:56] Voice 16: as we have spoke about yesterday, clearly in the mandate.

[1:27:01] Voice 16: So if that is something that is made glaringly clear,

[1:27:06] Voice 16: which I'm thinking I'm seeing that here indeed,

[1:27:10] Voice 16: then I'm a proponent for that.

[1:27:14] Voice 31: I'll leave it at that.

[1:27:22] Voice 31: Okay.

[1:27:23] Voice 31: Okay. Do you want me to switch it off and you speak first?

[1:27:29] Voice 21: Yeah. What about ladies first?

[1:27:34] Voice 21: Okay, sorry.

[1:27:36] Voice 21: So I'd like to suggest, because I'm going to suggest,

[1:27:39] Voice 21: that 26 of us are going to talk this thing into oblivion.

[1:27:44] Voice 44: Maybe.

[1:27:44] Voice 21: Yeah, probably.

[1:27:47] Voice 21: So I'd like to suggest what we each of our groups, one person,

[1:27:53] Voice 21: i suggest toby from our group get together and see if they can go through this and come up with

[1:27:59] Voice 21: with one vision statement the rest of us can look at i'd

[1:28:04] Voice 31: like to make that suggestion

[1:28:10] Voice 31: do you hear that feedback

[1:28:19] Voice 28: okay sorry i've been a bit distracted i've got a sick kid um so if we're looking at b i think

[1:28:28] Voice 28: there's real value there um but i think we're speaking to the islands trust rather to the

[1:28:34] Voice 28: than to the islands and i thought that's what our focus was was the community themselves not

[1:28:41] Voice 28: specifically the islands trust so that's why i was a little confused by entrusted to our protection

[1:28:48] Voice 28: um it's what we want the islands to be regardless of us um and then it and i would prefer to use

[1:28:56] Voice 28: and ecologies where we live rather than humans um so that was the only other thing but i i i'm

[1:29:03] Voice 28: hesitant

[1:29:03] Voice 31: to get too deep because i haven't been totally focused so i think that um there's a huge

[1:29:16] Voice 5: long list of um really important um it's almost like a laundry list or shopping list in terms of

[1:29:25] Voice 5: all the important features that um we can bring up and i think that you know there's 26 people

[1:29:29] Voice 5: around the this table and probably if we started opening it up to our communities we'd have you

[1:29:35] Voice 5: know we have to have a deck of cards or a calendar with one saying per day um and they're all good so

[1:29:41] Voice 5: i don't know that we're going to be able to wordsmith into one um i like a ball and it's

[1:29:47] Voice 5: hard to choose so you know if you want something that's um you know poetic um i threw one in there

[1:29:54] Voice 5: that everybody in our group said was poetic and you know the first one that was read off but

[1:30:00] Voice 5: um i don't know that i guess the the exercise now in the little time that's left is to narrow down

[1:30:07] Voice 5: you know what are the if we went around the table what would be your most important word or you know

[1:30:12] Voice 5: narrow it down to two or something so that we can um try and synthesize this but um

[1:30:19] Voice 5: you know all of these are good and any of them would work and um you know it's we can build on

[1:30:27] Voice 5: all of these if

[1:30:29] Voice 18: i'd like to stay i'd like to stay in line this time

[1:30:32] Voice 31: so you stay in line so

[1:30:35] Voice 31: you're actually making

[1:30:36] Voice 17: progress so don't don't get forlorn now when we're we're right on the

[1:30:41] Voice 17: edge of of getting something done um and it's a good thing that's being done but i think there's

[1:30:48] Voice 17: nothing wrong with the idea that you have naturally focused on one perhaps two would it be okay to

[1:30:54] Voice 17: to just narrow the list to a couple and then began to see what ideas um work and you've already

[1:31:02] Voice 17: started to limit your thinking a little bit with

[1:31:04] Voice 31: those years and here are four things we talked

[1:31:07] Voice 31: about do we agree that d should be carry on for consideration there's language indeed

[1:31:13] Voice 31: yes okay do we feel the same um someone

[1:31:19] Voice 17: i don't want to direct this what's what's another one

[1:31:22] Voice 17: that we're as a group that we feel has um a lot of residents and we'll get down to two or three and

[1:31:30] Voice 17: we'll with respect um take the others off the

[1:31:34] Voice 19: field of play i think a minus the peculiar by nature

[1:31:41] Voice 33: i think a is really a i like a it's

[1:31:49] Voice 4: almost like a slightly longer version

[1:31:51] Voice 4: a shorter version of D. So if we, in a way, if we merged A

[1:31:58] Voice 32: and D, that was possible. I think

[1:32:01] Voice 32: we would be pretty close to something. I would say, yeah. So I'm hearing

[1:32:06] Voice 31: A, I'm hearing D.

[1:32:08] Voice 32: A little bit lower, Laura, please.

[1:32:11] Voice 32: The bottom half of Judy's, sorry, I'll give you my, yeah, so a

[1:32:17] Voice 32: network is three

[1:32:23] Voice 31: jewels in the sailor's sea where the land and seas sustain and inspire healthy communities.

[1:32:28] Voice 32: Yeah.

[1:32:29] Voice 32: Well, I appreciate that.

[1:32:32] Voice 32: so

[1:32:32] Voice 17: are we okay taking that sense of gap and promoting it to be one of the three thoughts

[1:32:40] Voice 17: that we see if we can knit something together is anyone against that idea okay

[1:32:45] Voice 31: so laurie here's a

[1:32:46] Voice 31: big tech challenge

[1:32:47] Voice 32: and

[1:32:49] Voice 31: to a degree that got lost in a long a long list of pieces so let's go uh

[1:32:55] Voice 31: right, go down by the fielder.

[1:32:58] Voice 31: Yes.

[1:32:59] Voice 31: Go down by the fielder and mark the block.

[1:33:03] Voice 31: Is that

[1:33:04] Voice 33: how you say it?

[1:33:06] Voice 33: And do this.

[1:33:12] Voice 31: And just drop it

[1:33:13] Voice 31: in there? There?

[1:33:15] Voice 31: Sure. And let's make sure

[1:33:17] Voice 31: D is D, so we don't lose our

[1:33:19] Voice 32: block.

[1:33:19] Voice 32: So it's just automatic.

[1:33:23] Voice 32: We've lost it.

[1:33:24] Voice 32: Just stick it in A.

[1:33:26] Voice 32: Stick it in A.

[1:33:32] Voice 31: So

[1:33:37] Voice 31: so uh by this collective discussion this backspace

[1:33:47] Voice 31: i'd like to highlight either

[1:33:52] Voice 17: we save this document and then just take those

[1:33:55] Voice 17: the a box and the d box and put those out okay and we respectfully thank everyone who's worked

[1:34:01] Voice 17: on the other pieces and

[1:34:03] Voice 29: we'll go to these two okay so let's just give you a moment to do that

[1:34:07] Voice 29: word is that cool okay

[1:34:13] Voice 32: you've got 25

[1:34:15] Voice 32: minutes you're gonna have t-shirts violence trust

[1:34:20] Voice 32: you can wear

[1:34:21] Voice 29: mine i

[1:34:25] Voice 31: like a south of peculiar north of odd

[1:34:36] Voice 31: west of crazy

[1:34:37] Voice 31: i can

[1:34:41] Trustee Luckham: see the headlines now i'm struck declared peculiar by nature

[1:35:02] Voice 29: It's cute. Not a t-shirt, a mug.

[1:35:06] Voice 31: A better mug, I suppose.

[1:35:22] Voice 29: Get weird, stay weird. Okay, here we go.

[1:35:27] Voice 18: Okay, so I think I get to have my moment now.

[1:35:34] Voice 18: So I heard somebody mention that they didn't like the word humans in this sentence.

[1:35:39] Voice 18: sentence. So can we change that to people? Where

[1:35:45] Voice 31: we live? Where we work? Where we live

[1:35:52] Voice 31: and work? Okay. There's some writers in this group. Is that not really good active language

[1:35:57] Voice 31: though? Where am I?

[1:36:08] Voice 18: So, no, no, we had a long conversation about this. And this is one of

[1:36:15] Voice 18: the topics that I wanted to actually speak to. I just wanted to get this one word changed

[1:36:19] Voice 18: first so the reason why we said the islands and waters instead of the trust area because the trust

[1:36:25] Voice 18: area is used so heavily so it's the islands and waters that we as the trustees have been given

[1:36:35] Voice 18: the burden to carry to protect this is this is this is our job this has been given to us this

[1:36:43] Voice 18: is this is what we have to carry so we have to also acknowledge that we we we are aware of this

[1:36:50] Voice 18: that so it's the islands and the waters entrusted to our protection as the trustees not just the

[1:36:56] Voice 18: trustees but all the people that are there

[1:36:59] Voice 32: that's

[1:37:02] Voice 18: to preserve and protect we have we have so the

[1:37:05] Voice 18: vision is we have been given this tube to look after by the rest of it so we're just we're just

[1:37:14] Voice 18: acknowledging that piece i mean if we take that out so we can just say um

[1:37:22] Voice 18: the islands and waters will always be a vibrant tapestry well

[1:37:28] Voice 29: it's kind of what

[1:37:29] Voice 29: dev is trying to do there but yeah

[1:37:32] Voice 18: but i want i want to specify the islands and waters because

[1:37:35] Voice 18: once we say the salish sea it's not that that that encompasses a lot more with the mapping

[1:37:41] Voice 18: it's not just and there could be changes 100 years there could be people coming in coming

[1:37:45] Voice 18: coming out, like it could, it can, it can expand. So that's, that's why we just kept

[1:37:49] Voice 18: as the islands and waters.

[1:37:51] Voice 19: So we need to address the protections of the distinction. There's not possessive over it.

[1:37:54] Voice 19: As to the point that Toby just brought up about our being, um, possessive, which is

[1:38:00] Voice 29: just

[1:38:01] Voice 19: because the word hour is now identified as some sort of colonial warts that we need

[1:38:07] Voice 19: to eliminate. I can understand that when it's used in conjunction with a noun, but that's

[1:38:14] Voice 19: That's not the use of the word our in a possessive way.

[1:38:18] Voice 19: It's saying entrusted to our protection is the same thing as saying our duty.

[1:38:24] Voice 19: We have a duty to fulfill, and that's not the same thing as a mission statement.

[1:38:28] Voice 19: We're not saying we're going to do a thing this or that way.

[1:38:33] Voice 19: It's part of the description of what the vision's all about, of what's being protected.

[1:38:43] Voice 19: protected it's part of the description of what the islands and waters are they are special places and

[1:38:51] Voice 19: it seems like an accurate description of what we're all about but it's not possessive it's a

[1:38:57] Voice 19: description of our responsibility and

[1:39:00] Voice 18: also specifically the islands that have been given

[1:39:02] Voice 18: to us to protect so it's it's individually this is the area we've been given to protect so it's

[1:39:08] Voice 18: it's identifying what it where it is not just what it is i

[1:39:14] Trustee Luckham: want to provide be sure they're

[1:39:16] Trustee Luckham: providing opportunity for folks online and jamie harris let's just hand up one more time and then

[1:39:21] Trustee Luckham: we'll just keep the speakers that's going i would also like to insert myself into this particular

[1:39:25] Trustee Luckham: conversation as well at some point i did

[1:39:28] Voice 16: want to get i did also like um a um and with minus um

[1:39:33] Voice 16: part of it there but again back we're talking about d the islands and waters and people

[1:39:41] Voice 16: you know the communities within were entrusted to the islands trust to protect that needs to

[1:39:48] Voice 16: be glaringly clear and

[1:39:49] Voice 31: that's that's all i'll say thank you jamie i'm just going to insert myself

[1:39:58] Voice 31: for a moment um

[1:40:00] Trustee Luckham: this is really an important element of this and i remember being at the

[1:40:07] Trustee Luckham: the Coast Salish Sea Conference, actually,

[1:40:09] Trustee Luckham: and Chief from Chimayna spoke and said that,

[1:40:15] Trustee Luckham: oh, that's great that you've made these decisions

[1:40:18] Trustee Luckham: and you've entrusted this work to you.

[1:40:22] Trustee Luckham: We were never consulted or involved in that decision to entrust you.

[1:40:26] Trustee Luckham: And I think we need to take that into consideration

[1:40:29] Trustee Luckham: when we're advancing this conversation.

[1:40:34] Trustee Luckham: There was another element, but I'll go to...

[1:40:36] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, Sam, for the opportunity.

[1:40:41] Voice 10: Yeah, I was, I mean, I really quite like what Deb has sort of,

[1:40:47] Voice 10: and I, they, one of the tenets of good writing, I think,

[1:40:51] Voice 10: is always the sort of dig, Michelangelo dig thing,

[1:40:54] Voice 10: and keep carving the clay away until you find the sculpture

[1:40:57] Voice 10: within the rock, and clay, rock, mixing my metaphors, goodness.

[1:41:01] Voice 10: goodness um the uh um so i i think that there's a lot of really like i think it really captures a

[1:41:09] Voice 10: lot of what's i think there's some really good stuff in in in the original the the unadulterated

[1:41:14] Voice 10: d um i i think that the the islands and waters um phrase really captures i i was trying to wrestle

[1:41:23] Voice 10: with this in a bunch of different things which i'm not going to drag out now because we don't

[1:41:26] Voice 10: need more options um but i you know the islands and waters and i mean ecosystems to me falls into

[1:41:33] Voice 10: that trap of being slightly more technical more corporate language um and it's it's technically

[1:41:39] Voice 10: accurate but it's not evocative um and i think uh you know if you were to say living in balance

[1:41:46] Voice 10: on the islands and waters of the salish sea would be more poetic more evocative to me in that

[1:41:54] Voice 10: that in that moment again i mean and i mean i know i was being a bit facetious earlier with

[1:41:59] Voice 10: the peculiar by nature i don't think we're necessarily thinking that that is being a part

[1:42:04] Voice 10: of that vision statement it's captures some other part of the conversation that we were having

[1:42:09] Voice 10: before but so for the a vision statement which is the group that i was in originally you know

[1:42:14] Voice 10: we're really trying to pare that down um i yeah i would i would suggest that possibly you know

[1:42:21] Voice 10: So living in balance on the islands and waters of the Salish Sea would sort of poetify that latter half of the D variant.

[1:42:33] Voice 10: But, yeah, thank you.

[1:42:37] Voice 27: Thank you.

[1:42:38] Voice 27: I'm just going to abandon the other parts that I was going to say and follow up on, because they've already been said, follow up with the idea of ecology being a technical term.

[1:42:49] Voice 27: I'm concerned that we just like we want to have communities and humans in there

[1:42:54] Voice 27: I want to make sure we keep nature and or ecosystems in there somehow um in d we use

[1:43:02] Voice 27: the word ecologies uh because it was lighter and more poetic and also included the idea of

[1:43:09] Voice 27: processes like I didn't want to sort of embed eco ecosystems as this um static sort of monolith

[1:43:17] Voice 27: With ecologies, communities, they seem to both have some change in with them

[1:43:24] Voice 27: and a little more balance.

[1:43:26] Voice 27: So I just wanted to speak up for ecologies.

[1:43:29] Voice 27: And please let's not, through our good discussions,

[1:43:33] Voice 27: just I don't want to come up with one that doesn't have the balance

[1:43:38] Voice 27: with communities, humans, and nature, ecologies, whatever.

[1:43:43] Voice 27: I just don't want to lose the nature or the humans.

[1:43:47] Voice 31: Thank you.

[1:43:54] Voice 31: Oh, yeah. Thank you. CEO, Judy, Toby.

[1:44:02] Trustee Luckham: Right. Thank you. So I want to try and retain the speakers list. So I see it's moved around because people disconnected themselves. So let's just everybody turn yourself off and let's go. Judy, Toby and whoever was next in that sequence. Oh, the CIO next in that sequence.

[1:44:19] Trustee Luckham: one

[1:44:20] Voice 5: of the things that came up at the end of our conversation with the group was

[1:44:23] Voice 5: the idea of safe and secure communities as well um and um when toby took this down in the first run

[1:44:33] Voice 5: um i had amended it slightly to um be healthy and secure communities um and i'm not sure if

[1:44:43] Voice 5: everybody is um you know i'm not asking you to endorse that statement but if that kind i think

[1:44:49] Voice 5: it's um a lot of these things are repeated and just said in nice different ways but if we can

[1:44:55] Voice 5: add somewhere um security so security of food and security of place and a home and all of that so

[1:45:02] Voice 5: and that it's a generally safe community so somehow work that in

[1:45:09] Voice 43: really

[1:45:16] Voice 43: if

[1:45:17] Voice 28: we're trying to bring this out as a very broad statement we want to be very careful about the

[1:45:24] Voice 28: many many audiences that are going to read this and so regardless of our understanding of the in

[1:45:32] Voice 28: how we have been entrusted for this this is going to if we use our protection it will look

[1:45:39] Voice 28: quite different from the perspective of somebody whose families and ancestors

[1:45:44] Voice 28: have been living here and looking after these lands and waters so I'm really

[1:45:50] Voice 28: gonna caution us from to stay away from that I really support d2 and would add

[1:45:55] Voice 28: the the islands and waters are a tapestry of flourishing and diverse

[1:46:01] Voice 28: communities might just answer that question of the where and then within

[1:46:06] Voice 28: the ecosystems habitat and ecosystems of the Salish Sea so I really support d2 I

[1:46:16] Voice 28: really caution us from staying away for to stay away from our protection it's

[1:46:20] Voice 28: just not gonna look great

[1:46:25] Voice 31: let's

[1:46:38] Voice 19: just discuss this but I got two points to

[1:46:42] Voice 19: make with respect to D1. It's just a more technical drafting issue. I understand that humans is a bit

[1:46:49] Voice 19: of a clunky word. We, I don't think works. I think it probably should be people if we go with that

[1:46:55] Voice 19: version, because if this is supposed to be a vision that is multi-generational, well, we're

[1:47:00] Voice 19: all going to be dead. I mean, it should be generic people. And we is limiting in that respect.

[1:47:10] Voice 19: And the second point is, you know, the one that Toby just brought up about the, you know, sensitivity about the idea that we have this protection idea somehow offensive and disturbing, possibly to some communities.

[1:47:26] Voice 19: and, you know, I know Toby's referring to our First Nations communities,

[1:47:31] Voice 19: I can understand that First Nations were offended but not surprised

[1:47:42] Voice 19: that they weren't consulted when the Island's Trust was formed.

[1:47:45] Voice 19: But what we can't do is pretend that we don't have this mandate.

[1:47:51] Voice 19: We can't—well, Hank, okay, I would respectfully ask you to let me finish my point.

[1:47:59] Voice 19: It is about the mandate.

[1:48:03] Voice 19: This is the result.

[1:48:05] Voice 19: Let's play this little thought experiment.

[1:48:08] Voice 19: After 100 years, this is the result of what happened when we exercised our mandate.

[1:48:16] Voice 19: We have been given jurisdiction.

[1:48:19] Voice 19: We have been given power to do things.

[1:48:22] Voice 19: This vision is about what do we do with that power?

[1:48:25] Voice 19: What is the result that we want to see about it?

[1:48:27] Voice 19: but we can't separate the fact that the result comes from this, to use that word,

[1:48:33] Voice 19: peculiar duty we have. This is a trust. It's not just some sort of mission to do one thing.

[1:48:41] Voice 19: It's not to resolve reconciliation. That's not the one thing. We have a trust, and it is

[1:48:47] Voice 19: complicated. It is in itself a balancing act. And I do think it's pretty vital that we get that

[1:48:54] Voice 19: point across that even if there are members of communities who dislike the existence of the

[1:49:00] Voice 19: islands trust we can't accommodate that with respect we just can't because we actually have

[1:49:08] Voice 19: the legal obligation to preserve and protect that's who we are let's not pretend that's not

[1:49:14] Voice 19: who we are

[1:49:15] Trustee Luckham: ceo and we have a pretty active list of speakers here on this topic obviously

[1:49:33] Voice 31: Can

[1:49:33] Voice 38: I just note that I'm next?

[1:49:38] Trustee Luckham: Okay, sure.

[1:49:39] Trustee Luckham: Let's give the CEO the microphone.

[1:49:43] Voice 31: Deb is next.

[1:49:45] Trustee Luckham: Then Kate.

[1:49:47] Trustee Luckham: Turn your microphone off, Kate, and turn your mic on.

[1:49:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:49:52] Voice 17: A peculiar network of green jewels in the Salish Sea,

[1:49:56] Voice 17: be the islands and waters entrusted, the islands and waters that we protect will always be

[1:50:03] Voice 17: a vibrant tapestry of flourishing and secure communities and ecologies where we live and

[1:50:09] Voice 17: work in harmony with the natural world.

[1:50:11] Trustee Luckham: Did you submit that in writing?

[1:50:14] Voice 17: Too long?

[1:50:15] Voice 31: Way too long.

[1:50:19] Voice 17: Best one I've heard yet, but let's just move on.

[1:50:23] Voice 38: I got you here Russ, I got you.

[1:50:25] Trustee Luckham: Nice try.

[1:50:26] Trustee Luckham: Deb Larson.

[1:50:27] Trustee Luckham: I've

[1:50:28] Voice 38: sent like five versions to Lori just listening to this conversation, but I think the short and pithy version, I think the thing that was missing from earlier ones is around this rural aspect, too.

[1:50:42] Voice 38: I feel that's important.

[1:50:46] Voice 38: Can you say that again?

[1:50:47] Voice 38: The what world?

[1:50:48] Voice 38: Just give me one sec.

[1:50:49] Voice 38: Hold on.

[1:50:49] Voice 38: So the rural issue.

[1:50:51] Voice 38: so um i would go with something like a vibrant tapestry of respectful caring diverse and rural

[1:50:58] Voice 38: island communities within the salish sea that flourish in harmony with nature and that's the

[1:51:03] Voice 38: last one laurie that i sent and i think it captures some of these ideas that people are

[1:51:07] Voice 38: talking about the caring the harmony is that balance component i like the tapestry language

[1:51:13] Voice 38: it's pretty and um though i did like your jewel language i just couldn't work it in um so and

[1:51:20] Voice 38: And the things that started dropping off when we moved to these shorter versions was this issue of diverse.

[1:51:25] Voice 38: I thought that was actually really important.

[1:51:28] Voice 38: So, yeah.

[1:51:29] Voice 38: So, caring's in there.

[1:51:34] Voice 38: I went for caring just because I think that is more than just a human-to-human interaction.

[1:51:41] Voice 38: There's a significant amount of work in care for nature.

[1:51:45] Voice 38: chair. Go

[1:51:48] Voice 31: ahead. Kate Louise Stanford is actually next

[1:51:58] Trustee Luckham: based upon where we got interrupted. And then

[1:52:02] Trustee Luckham: yeah,

[1:52:03] Voice 23: I'm sorry. I'll be short. If that helps. Yeah, sure. My suggestion. So this is this is a

[1:52:18] Voice 23: vision, which means something we can see. So let's just use that lens when we're looking at various

[1:52:25] Voice 23: words. I can see things. I can't necessarily see the word entrusted. I can see vibrancy. I can see

[1:52:33] Voice 23: harmony. I can see nature. I can see certain other things. So let's maybe use that lens to

[1:52:38] Voice 23: make sure the words work within the idea of a vision.

[1:52:46] Trustee Patrick: I just want to quickly talk about caring

[1:52:48] Trustee Patrick: because when we first, before the break and before Eric Kelty spoke, we just had rural communities.

[1:52:54] Trustee Patrick: and when eric was speaking i was trying to catch words that he was saying caring is one of those

[1:53:00] Trustee Patrick: and when you say security it's it's the caring that brings security because we do look out for

[1:53:06] Trustee Patrick: one another and that's what caring was was was meaning so uh we latched on to caring so being

[1:53:12] Trustee Patrick: being an important word for that reason thank

[1:53:17] Voice 27: you i'm um uh noticing that caring is also part of

[1:53:22] Voice 27: bowen island municipalities sort of vision we have something about small caring community

[1:53:28] Voice 27: um so i'm in favor of i like that it helps us as a bowen island municipality fit in

[1:53:35] Voice 27: with this and uh because we're part of the federation um but a lot of my uh meeting

[1:53:42] Voice 27: time and work is in a municipality and uh i like the word entrusted because it speaks to

[1:53:51] Voice 27: what is the island's trust as opposed to a municipality or a regional district

[1:53:56] Voice 27: so if we put the words looking at d if a d1 i guess if we put the words um the vision of the

[1:54:04] Voice 27: island's trust is that the islands and waters entrusted to our protection will always be

[1:54:09] Voice 27: I think it just helps us see what the island's trust is in this, as opposed to all the other kinds of government organizations.

[1:54:23] Voice 27: We're trustees. It's different. Thank you.

[1:54:30] Voice 28: It's just going back and forth on that same argument with the word entrusted to our protection.

[1:54:35] Voice 28: I'm not comfortable using it. It's a possessive.

[1:54:38] Voice 28: um i think what our our work here is is it's it's about the islands it's not about the trust

[1:54:45] Voice 28: and whether the trust is here or not what do i want to see in 100 years regardless of the trust

[1:54:52] Voice 28: is more along d3 um and again we talked about caring it was a carefully used word that

[1:55:03] Voice 28: that encompasses safe.

[1:55:05] Voice 28: I'm just not sure in D3 if we need respectful.

[1:55:08] Voice 28: I think it's encompassed in other things, but yeah,

[1:55:12] Voice 28: I just couldn't use entrusted to our protection.

[1:55:15] Voice 28: It's not

[1:55:16] Voice 31: going to be comfortable for me.

[1:55:22] Voice 31: Yeah,

[1:55:22] Voice 10: I would, I would, I would share that.

[1:55:26] Voice 10: And I really do.

[1:55:27] Voice 10: I do understand where you're coming from in terms of wanting to enshrine

[1:55:30] Voice 10: that, that the, the,

[1:55:32] Voice 10: the form with which our organization takes within that.

[1:55:36] Voice 10: But I think I feel wary of that, again, any possessive language that sort of takes ownership of that.

[1:55:44] Voice 10: And I don't want to rehash that argument.

[1:55:46] Voice 10: I did want to just quickly speak, and I do think that caring is an element of security.

[1:55:53] Voice 10: We were talking a lot in our group originally about resiliency.

[1:55:57] Voice 10: And I think to whether the next hundred years these communities are going to have to be resilient.

[1:56:01] Voice 10: And by far the greatest strength that our communities have in terms of security and resiliency for one another is the care that we have for one another.

[1:56:11] Voice 10: We have incredible response systems person to person and person to nature and nature to person within our communities.

[1:56:18] Voice 10: I think that's really important.

[1:56:20] Voice 10: And we didn't really delve specifically, but rural is a really important word for me in this.

[1:56:26] Voice 10: Because rural encompasses the fact that we don't necessarily want.

[1:56:30] Voice 10: we are we are we don't want to see rapid urbanization of these communities um and

[1:56:36] Voice 10: and rural also encompasses the the important industries and agriculture and and you know

[1:56:42] Voice 10: the the selective logging and all of this work that is a vital part of the the work and trade

[1:56:49] Voice 10: of our islands is is captured in the word rural and i want to make sure that that's

[1:56:53] Voice 10: recognized that it rural islands are going to look different than than an urban area

[1:56:58] Voice 10: So, yeah, D3, I think, is getting real close.

[1:57:01] Voice 10: I think, as Kate Louise said, respectful, definitely.

[1:57:04] Voice 10: I think that comes within caring.

[1:57:06] Voice 10: I think showing care to one another is a sign of respect.

[1:57:09] Voice 10: And you cannot be caring without being respectful.

[1:57:12] Voice 10: So, anyways, thank you.

[1:57:14] Voice 10: So

[1:57:14] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to jump in here for a second.

[1:57:17] Trustee Luckham: Six minutes before we go for lunch.

[1:57:19] Trustee Luckham: And Lisa Wilcox told me once that it's better a good leader or a good public speaking person.

[1:57:27] Trustee Luckham: I think she was referring to me, should say less, not more.

[1:57:31] Trustee Luckham: And in this situation, it should say less, not more.

[1:57:35] Trustee Luckham: And with all due respect, Sam, it shouldn't take a paragraph to describe it.

[1:57:39] Trustee Luckham: It should be self-evident.

[1:57:41] Trustee Luckham: And I don't think it needs a framework about entrusted, I'm sorry, because it's not that this is a thing that is standalone.

[1:57:49] Trustee Luckham: It's going to exist within the island's trust and within its documents and its policy statement.

[1:57:54] Trustee Luckham: minutes so it needs to be short and pithy is my thing and anything we say in the next eight minutes

[1:57:59] Trustee Luckham: needs

[1:58:00] Voice 19: to be short and pithy so yeah i have a suggestion here in order to see if we can advance

[1:58:06] Voice 19: this there's obviously a difference of opinion here pretty strong difference opinion about

[1:58:10] Voice 19: whether or not this entrusted concept goes in or goes out how about we just take a quick straw vote

[1:58:16] Voice 19: just to see what the view the whether there's a consensus or a majority view about whether or not

[1:58:23] Voice 19: the protection concept should be in or out and if it's if it's in great if it's out also great

[1:58:30] Voice 19: that means that's where we're at we move on so and then we can at least put that to bed

[1:58:39] Voice 19: yeah let's just have a show of hands everybody who is in favor of having the entrusted language

[1:58:47] Voice 19: within the vision saving or some concept of the entrustment that's not a word but

[1:58:55] Voice 19: Okay. All those in favor, put your hands up.

[1:58:58] Voice 19: Hands in favor.

[1:59:00] Voice 19: In favor of keeping trust language in there.

[1:59:09] Voice 19: So, Joe,

[1:59:11] Trustee Luckham: those

[1:59:11] Voice 36: opposed.

[1:59:15] Voice 36: All right.

[1:59:16] Trustee Luckham: Well, that takes care of that.

[1:59:17] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Joe.

[1:59:23] Voice 31: Who's next?

[1:59:25] Trustee Luckham: We have

[1:59:25] Voice 25: one more great idea.

[1:59:28] Voice 31: Okay, I am

[1:59:29] Voice 25: not a fan of so many adjectives. I think it's messy and muddy and...

[1:59:35] Voice 25: Okay, so

[1:59:36] Voice 32: I

[1:59:40] Voice 25: think there's way too many adjectives going around the room. We need to keep it simple.

[1:59:45] Voice 25: It muddies the water just to have too many. It's not a clear vision. Okay, so mine is a vibrant

[1:59:53] Voice 25: network of rural island communities flourishing in the Salish Sea.

[2:00:00] Voice 25: point there we are

[2:00:01] Voice 18: um i had sent a variant to laurie i don't know if she can pop it up or not

[2:00:09] Voice 18: um if not i can read it basically let's see i don't know what i just did there um so working

[2:00:18] Voice 18: off d1 uh basically i just removed everything and started with a diverse vibrant tapestry of

[2:00:25] Voice 18: flourishing rural communities and ecologies where people live and work in harmony with the natural

[2:00:30] Voice 18: world. I think we've then captured pieces of the other ones that had been put out as well.

[2:00:37] Voice 18: And the reason why we were trying to use harmony instead of balance, because balance is being used

[2:00:42] Voice 18: so much, and it's got to be a balance between the communities and ecologies.

[2:01:02] Voice 33: Yeah.

[2:01:05] Voice 33: Yeah.

[2:01:08] Voice 33: Yeah.

[2:01:10] Voice 33: Yeah.

[2:01:11] Voice 33: This one.

[2:01:17] Voice 32: Oh, oh, no, you didn't say in harmony.

[2:01:22] Voice 32: Shorter.

[2:01:24] Voice 32: So,

[2:01:25] Voice 32: yeah, they're very similar.

[2:01:30] Voice 33: Okay.

[2:01:34] Voice 33: Also, I'm different.

[2:01:36] Voice 33: Great.

[2:01:52] Voice 31: free one minute okay

[2:01:58] Voice 3: i yeah and i'm gonna pass on my

[2:02:01] Voice 19: all right i have a motion to make

[2:02:05] Voice 19: yes let's put it i want to put something up to a vote

[2:02:16] would

[2:02:19] Voice 17: it be a value to write these two out on on paper and post them and you walk past them for the

[2:02:27] Voice 17: next 12 hours and you think about the adjectives you think they're so similar you don't want to do

[2:02:36] Voice 17: that you're sorry i'm suggesting a process thing is we don't have to land in one minute anytime

[2:02:47] Voice 17: time says we've got to make a big decision in one minute um if you feel comfortable with that

[2:02:52] Voice 17: that's great but one option you can consider is that we take one or two that you prefer

[2:02:59] Voice 17: put them out on full scap we've done it before we post them on a couple of doors and you

[2:03:04] Voice 17: walk past them make some notes on it and we revisit it later thanks mr chair that's an option

[2:03:11] Trustee Luckham: we're at 12 o'clock i think it's a good time to pause and i think that's a good suggestion

[2:03:15] Trustee Luckham: we're at lunchtime lunch is ready and i i have a suggestion don't make a motion what's your

[2:03:21] Voice 19: suggestion my suggestion was to make a motion because it's pretty clear that we actually do

[2:03:29] Voice 19: have consensus over the concepts

[2:03:30] Voice 43: all

[2:03:31] Voice 19: we're doing right now is trying to achieve the impossible

[2:03:34] Voice 19: which is 26 people everybody's an editor everybody's a genius everybody thinks they've

[2:03:39] Voice 19: got the best words i actually think we're in a position like from what i've heard and i could

[2:03:46] Voice 19: be wrong my sense is that if we go back up to d3 and you know actually please don't interrupt i

[2:03:56] Voice 19: have the floor mr chair i actually think d3 actually represents what everybody is saying

[2:04:03] Voice 19: if you subtract the word respectful from that i think it says like if you see what everybody's

[2:04:10] Voice 19: coming up with they're just variations on the same thing over and over again so that's why i'm

[2:04:16] Voice 19: suggesting let's cut to the chase here we don't have to like you know i think d1 is the best but

[2:04:22] Voice 19: it's not going to work i'm not going to live and die by it d3 turns out to be better because it

[2:04:26] Voice 19: seems to have more support but it also says the same thing how about we just go for it i want to

[2:04:31] Voice 19: put it up for a vote let's go with d3 minus the word respectful that's my motion

[2:04:36] Voice 32: you have a

[2:04:39] Voice 19: a seconder. Sam is seconded.

[2:04:45] Voice 33: I think so.

[2:04:49] Voice 28: Let it breathe for an hour.

[2:04:52] Trustee Luckham: Okay, we have a motion. I'm going to respect that. I don't

[2:04:57] Trustee Luckham: necessarily agree with it, but I'm going to respect it. So can

[2:04:59] Trustee Luckham: you please articulate the motion so that it can be recorded?

[2:05:04] Voice 19: I move that the Islands Trust adopt as its vision statement,

[2:05:11] Voice 19: the following text, a vibrant tapestry of caring, diverse, and rural island communities

[2:05:18] Voice 19: within the Salish Sea that flourish in harmony with nature.

[2:05:22] Voice 19: And

[2:05:23] Trustee Luckham: did you leave

[2:05:23] Voice 19: out the word respectful?

[2:05:24] Trustee Luckham: I did.

[2:05:25] Trustee Luckham: On purpose?

[2:05:26] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[2:05:26] Trustee Luckham: So, is that second?

[2:05:33] Voice 31: All right.

[2:05:36] Trustee Luckham: How long do you want to debate this, or do you want to go straight to the vote?

[2:05:38] Trustee Luckham: Straight to the vote, please.

[2:05:41] Voice 31: Straight to the vote.

[2:05:42] Voice 31: All those in favor?

[2:05:49] Voice 31: All those opposed?

[2:05:53] Voice 31: online do i see any opposed no

[2:05:56] Trustee Luckham: one opposed online two three opposed in the four imposed

[2:06:02] Trustee Luckham: please hands up hi those opposed and your hand up is up okay thank you i think i just need to

[2:06:11] Trustee Luckham: be sure that we're counting so and one online i think i said i saw okay so that carries then

[2:06:18] Trustee Luckham: done go for one not not everybody's happy about that so you know let's not yeah

[2:37:32] Voice 31: The

[2:37:33] Voice 1: number of tourists.

[3:09:20] Voice 31: I'm not quite sure

[3:09:21] Trustee Luckham: how we got to 1.30 when it was a 1.15 conclusion.

[3:09:26] Trustee Luckham: I'm also partially responsible for that, and my apologies to the public that have been waiting here anxiously to address council when we advertised we were going to start at 1.15.

[3:09:38] Trustee Luckham: So without further ado, let us begin.

[3:09:40] Trustee Luckham: Again, thank you for the morning's work.

[3:09:43] Trustee Luckham: And just want to recognize, as always, that we're meeting here on Coast Salish Territory,

[3:09:48] Trustee Luckham: particularly that of the many nations that have an interest in the Pandora Islands

[3:09:55] Trustee Luckham: and the Osanic-speaking people.

[3:09:57] Trustee Luckham: I think I'll just capture that there and welcome members of the public.

[3:10:02] Trustee Luckham: My name is Peter Luck.

[3:10:03] Trustee Luckham: I'm chair of Islands Trust Council.

[3:10:05] Trustee Luckham: And for the benefit of the folks that we have visiting us today,

[3:10:08] Trustee Luckham: I'm just going to do a really quick roundtable, starting with Kate down on the left-hand side,

[3:10:14] Trustee Luckham: because I started on the right-hand side yesterday.

[3:10:16] Trustee Luckham: And just everybody, please introduce yourself to the people from Pender Island and others.

[3:10:23] Voice 28: Good afternoon.

[3:10:24] Voice 28: My name is Kate Stanford.

[3:10:26] Voice 28: I represent Ch'Altnewich in Alcotsam House Sound, otherwise known as Gambier,

[3:10:32] Voice 28: part of the Gambier-Geetz Local Trust Committee.

[3:10:40] Voice 3: Janine Rods.

[3:10:41] Voice 3: i'm from main island skitak home of the sarlap reserve deb

[3:10:49] Voice 38: morrison here on north pender island

[3:10:51] Voice 38: stay us the sanitary territory and thank you all for being here thank you so much

[3:10:56] Voice 10: uh sam worthwick uh to stack damon island uh comox and pen latch territory laura patrick salt

[3:11:05] Trustee Patrick: spring island territories of the coast salish peoples david

[3:11:11] Voice 23: graham locally elected demon island

[3:11:12] Voice 23: traditional territories of the Comox.

[3:11:16] Voice 23: Aaron Campbell, North Bender Island,

[3:11:18] Voice 23: WSANIC territory.

[3:11:20] Voice 47: Judy Getty, Bowen Island.

[3:11:23] Voice 47: David Maud from Bain Island,

[3:11:25] Voice 47: traditional home of the WSANIC people.

[3:11:27] Voice 28: Toby Elliott, Gabriela Island,

[3:11:29] Voice 28: Synonymic First Nation Territory.

[3:11:32] Voice 28: Mikayla

[3:11:32] Voice 25: Laroni, Hawaii-Tay, Mesquite Island.

[3:11:35] Voice 21: Grant Scott, Hornby Island,

[3:11:38] Voice 21: Comox and Pentlatch people.

[3:11:41] Voice 31: Thank you.

[3:11:43] Voice 20: Alex Allen, Hornby Island, Chitichin,

[3:11:46] Voice 20: the Island of Traditional Territories of Comox First Nations and Coast Salish People.

[3:11:52] Voice 27: Sue Ellen Fast from Nuklelequem, which is Bowen Island,

[3:11:57] Voice 27: territory of the Squamish Nation.

[3:12:01] Voice 27: Lisa Goverow, Galliano Island, territory

[3:12:04] Voice 31: of the Coast Salish People.

[3:12:08] Voice 31: And Dag Falk from South Pender, SDS.

[3:12:14] Voice 31: Maureen

[3:12:14] Voice 39: Bowland, Citerna Island.

[3:12:16] Voice 39: Susan Yates, Gabriela Island, Territory of the Snuneymuxw people.

[3:12:24] Voice 39: Joe

[3:12:27] Voice 19: Bernardo from Lictines, also known as Keats Island, Sister Island to Gambier,

[3:12:32] Voice 19: and a traditional territory of the Squamish people.

[3:12:36] Voice 18: Christina Evans, Sudeas South Pender, home of the Wissanak Nation.

[3:12:43] Voice 22: Ben Maberly, Galliano Island, traditional territory of the Pernillicate Nation.

[3:12:47] Trustee Luckham: Very good, and I'll just give a shout out to those that have joined us online.

[3:12:51] Trustee Luckham: Lyon, Ken Hunter, Adas Island, and Trustee Peterson, Lasketea Island, and Jamie Harris

[3:13:01] Trustee Luckham: from Salt Spring. And if I'm not mistaken, I have regrets from Lee Middleton. I think that covers

[3:13:08] Trustee Luckham: it. So just quickly ask on the staff table there, these are the faces behind all the great work that

[3:13:15] Trustee Luckham: that happens at the Amnesty Trust,

[3:13:16] Trustee Luckham: Russ Hotzenpiller, Lori Foster, our executive assistant,

[3:13:24] Trustee Luckham: and David Marla, Legislative Services Manager,

[3:13:28] Trustee Luckham: Stephon Cermak, Director of Regional Planning Services,

[3:13:33] Trustee Luckham: Julia Mobs, Director for Finance,

[3:13:36] Trustee Luckham: Claire Frederick, Director for Trust Area Services.

[3:13:39] Trustee Luckham: And I want to just acknowledge also

[3:13:42] Trustee Luckham: other people that are in the room.

[3:13:43] Trustee Luckham: I want to acknowledge Rita Smith,

[3:13:45] Trustee Luckham: Smith, who's with the Honest Trust Conservancy, is an appointed trustee on the Honest Trust

[3:13:54] Trustee Luckham: Conservancy. Really glad to have you today. And she's going to be helping us out with the

[3:13:57] Trustee Luckham: reporting from the Trust Program, Honest Trust Conservancy. I just want to recognize in the room

[3:14:04] Trustee Luckham: Bruce McConkie, past trustee from South Pender. I'm not recognizing any other faces here in the

[3:14:11] Trustee Luckham: the room. But we did have actually Rob Botterall with us yesterday and even this morning from

[3:14:17] Trustee Luckham: Bowen. So thank you for your continued interest in the Allen's Trust. So I'm actually pleased to

[3:14:23] Trustee Luckham: note that actually delegations were to start at 1.30, so we're not as far behind as I thought we

[3:14:28] Trustee Luckham: were. And so just a note, we ask all of the delegations in the public comments period to be

[3:14:36] Trustee Luckham: be respectful of those that are in the room, those that are joining us electronically online,

[3:14:42] Trustee Luckham: and of course our friends and neighbors that are also either in the room with us or observing

[3:14:48] Trustee Luckham: or will be interested in the dialogue that happens here today.

[3:14:54] Trustee Luckham: So please, Islands Trust Council is very much interested in Federation-wide issues, the

[3:15:01] Trustee Luckham: the broad issues, not specifically those issues that might be important to Pender Island, you can

[3:15:06] Trustee Luckham: bring those to your local trust committee. But if they're a broad federation-wide interest, we're

[3:15:12] Trustee Luckham: certainly more than happy to have those. So delegations, you have 10 minutes allotted.

[3:15:19] Trustee Luckham: I'll just acknowledge there were quite a lot of delegations that came forward this year in time

[3:15:24] Trustee Luckham: management and content management. We chose not to engage with a couple of folks, and certainly

[3:15:32] Trustee Luckham: with respect to keeping it about the Federation respectful, there's lots of opportunity in public

[3:15:38] Trustee Luckham: comments for any of those points of view. So let us begin. We've got David Manning,

[3:15:44] Trustee Luckham: Jennifer Markerson, Peter Parr, and Andy Nowak in that order. And Dave Manning will be first.

[3:15:50] Trustee Luckham: The podium is up at the front there. And you can please try to do some self-management with your time, 10 minutes, and then we'll continue.

[3:16:00] Trustee Luckham: If you see me signaling, then that means it's time to wrap it up. Thank you, Dave, for joining us.

[3:16:08] Voice 42: OK, I'm Dave Manning. I live on North Bender Island for 19 years.

[3:16:14] Voice 42: And welcome to all you people that don't live here on Bender.

[3:16:17] Voice 42: Of course, I know you had a nice lunch and some of you took some walks, I know, so I hope you don't fall asleep during the next few minutes.

[3:16:29] Voice 42: There might be a pop quiz at the end.

[3:16:35] Voice 42: I'm the coordinator of a project called Eagle Watch.

[3:16:39] Voice 42: Eagle Watch project has been in effect for 18 years.

[3:16:43] Voice 42: And monitors, volunteer monitors like myself have been locating and searching for eagle nests and then monitoring them all across the Salish Sea.

[3:16:57] Voice 42: We've covered over 60 islands in the Salish Sea, all the way from Darcy Island to the south to Denman and Harmony on the north.

[3:17:07] Voice 42: us. Now, the data that we collect, we send, and mainly these are eagle nests that we monitor,

[3:17:18] Voice 42: but we also monitor osprey nests and any other raptors that we might find nests of.

[3:17:22] Voice 42: But the data we collect goes to the Hancock Wildlife Foundation in Surrey on the mainland,

[3:17:29] Voice 42: and they have a master database of all the eagle nests up and down the coast and all the way up

[3:17:35] Voice 42: the Fraser Valley to Hope. Also we share our data with your local conservancy groups on the islands

[3:17:43] Voice 42: and of course we share that information with your island trust folks. Now eagles build nests,

[3:17:56] Voice 42: big nests, in big trees and the primary tree that eagles use are Douglas fir trees.

[3:18:06] Voice 42: I've found hundreds of nests and almost every single nest that I've found has been in a Douglas fir tree.

[3:18:15] Voice 42: So these nests are usually or the trees are usually 200 to 400 years old.

[3:18:21] Voice 42: And if you walked outside here and just scanned around the neighborhood,

[3:18:27] Voice 42: you probably would not find one of these big Douglas fir trees or sometimes called veteran trees, old growth trees.

[3:18:35] Voice 42: There's one or two way down across the field in a forest, but these trees are disappearing.

[3:18:45] Voice 42: Now, an eagle will not just use any big Douglas fir tree.

[3:18:51] Voice 42: It has to be a tree that has certain branches that two or three branches that can support these heavy nets.

[3:18:59] Voice 42: Now, these eagles add materials to their nets all year round.

[3:19:04] Voice 42: Every season, these nests get bigger and heavier.

[3:19:07] Voice 42: And so they have to have just the right configuration of branches to build a nest on.

[3:19:16] Voice 42: Now, also important to an eagle nest tree is the environment around that tree, the habitat.

[3:19:22] Voice 42: They need other trees nearby.

[3:19:26] Voice 42: Now, they need other trees nearby their nest tree because they need to perch there.

[3:19:31] Voice 42: the adults need to perch in these trees to watch their chicks in the nest growing up they need to

[3:19:38] Voice 42: watch for predators that might come in and try to kill their little chicks they also need perch

[3:19:44] Voice 42: trees nearby their nests to look out to sea and by the way most eagle nests are along the shoreline

[3:19:50] Voice 42: so they need to be perching and looking out to sea and they can see as far as a couple

[3:19:56] Voice 42: of kilometers or more out to sea and their primary prey is fish. So they also

[3:20:06] Voice 42: need to have this buffer zone around these nest trees. Let's say a big

[3:20:14] Voice 42: wind comes in. If this nest tree is perched all by itself somewhere, and I've

[3:20:18] Voice 42: seen this happen, the wind can blow the nest down, it can blow the top of the

[3:20:23] Voice 42: tree down with the nest in it, it can blow the whole tree down. So they need a

[3:20:28] Voice 42: buffer zone surrounding this nest tree and

[3:20:36] Voice 31: most important

[3:20:37] Voice 42: for these trees that are around the nest

[3:20:40] Voice 42: tree are for these little eaglets these little eaglets have been growing up in this nest maybe

[3:20:47] Voice 42: it's about this sort of big for two and a half to three months they've been restricted to that nest

[3:20:56] Voice 42: and they when they get close to flying they kind of flap their wings and they

[3:21:01] Voice 42: hop up and down on the nest but they haven't taken their first flight yet so

[3:21:07] Voice 42: extremely important to that them for that first flight they've got to have a

[3:21:12] Voice 42: branch or a tree nearby to fly to so if you've cut all the trees down around the

[3:21:17] Voice 42: nest tree where are they gonna fly to they just want to make short little

[3:21:21] Voice 42: little flight and just hopefully land okay and and not hurt a feather or break a leg or something

[3:21:28] Voice 42: so that's one of the main reasons why we need this buffer zone of trees they could be live and dead

[3:21:34] Voice 42: trees around eagle nest trees unfortunately we're losing these big douglas fir trees it's no secret

[3:21:42] Voice 42: to any of you in this room they die uh we as humans are cutting them down for safety we cut

[3:21:50] Voice 42: cut them down for better views, and we cut them down for land development.

[3:21:59] Voice 31: Those support branches

[3:22:01] Voice 42: that I mentioned, they will break.

[3:22:04] Voice 42: These nests get heavier and heavier and heavier.

[3:22:07] Voice 42: The tree gets older, the support branches get older themselves,

[3:22:11] Voice 42: they get more weighted down by that nest, and down it goes.

[3:22:17] Voice 42: In the last 18 years, just here on Pinder Island,

[3:22:21] Voice 42: north and south Pinder Island, that I've been monitoring,

[3:22:24] Voice 42: So in 18 years, I've actually seen 33 nests come down, nests that tree which could not be used anymore for an eagle tree.

[3:22:35] Voice 42: In fact, just about three months ago or so in the middle of summer, we had a nest that you could look right down into from somebody's deck.

[3:22:46] Voice 42: The owners were just delighted. For 17 years, they watched a pair of eagles raise families.

[3:22:53] Voice 42: That nest, they woke up one morning

[3:22:57] Voice 42: and saw the nest had collapsed.

[3:22:59] Voice 42: The supporting branches had broken.

[3:23:02] Voice 42: Fortunately, the little eagle,

[3:23:03] Voice 42: it was about six, seven weeks old.

[3:23:07] Voice 42: It ended up down on a branch just below where the nest was.

[3:23:11] Voice 42: And the parents kept feeding it.

[3:23:13] Voice 42: They kept bringing it food.

[3:23:15] Voice 42: But for another month,

[3:23:16] Voice 42: that chick just stood there on that branch basically.

[3:23:19] Voice 42: Sometimes it tried to lie down on the branch,

[3:23:22] Voice 42: but it was kind of hard.

[3:23:23] Voice 42: And finally, after a month of living that type of a life without a nest, it finally flew and landed on the nearby branch.

[3:23:34] Voice 42: And the owners of the property actually saw this happen.

[3:23:36] Voice 42: So we're losing these trees.

[3:23:39] Voice 42: And one of the best ways to protect them is develop a permit areas through Islands Trust.

[3:23:45] Voice 42: You need to protect that, not just the nest tree.

[3:23:51] Voice 42: By the way, the nest tree of eagles is protected year-round for the rest of its life, whether the nest is in operation or not, whether the nest is occupied or not.

[3:24:02] Voice 42: All legal nests, as well as ostrich nests, are protected for the rest of their lives, whether they're used or not.

[3:24:08] Voice 42: But the surrounding area around that nest area, you need to protect, as I've mentioned before, a nice habitat for them.

[3:24:18] Voice 42: so other than develop permit permit areas people can put covenants you know private citizens can

[3:24:25] Voice 42: put conservation covenants on their land so if we want to keep our bald eagles flying over our

[3:24:35] Voice 42: salicy islands we need to protect those big trees and habitats around now my question to

[3:24:42] Voice 42: you trustees is and i want to turn it over to you now what are you doing on your islands to protect

[3:24:48] Voice 42: not only the trees that eagles nest in,

[3:24:53] Voice 42: but the surrounding habitat.

[3:24:56] Voice 42: What is being done?

[3:24:57] Voice 42: I know it's done on some of your islands.

[3:24:59] Voice 42: Here on North Bender we have created

[3:25:03] Voice 42: development permit areas around most of our trees

[3:25:07] Voice 42: that we know about and we're updating that as I speak.

[3:25:11] Voice 42: So what are you doing?

[3:25:12] Voice 42: And if you have any other questions, I'm here.

[3:25:17] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Dave. We have one minute left in your delegation, and so is there anybody

[3:25:23] Trustee Luckham: that would like to chime in in the brief time remaining? So who's got the red microphone? Oh,

[3:25:30] Trustee Luckham: can you turn your microphone off? Thank you. So that'll pick up the next person,

[3:25:33] Trustee Luckham: and let's try and keep the delegation to within 10 minutes. Go ahead.

[3:25:38] Trustee Luckham: I'm

[3:25:38] Voice 27: sorry, I turned him off. I heard.

[3:25:40] Trustee Luckham: So let's not debate the microphones. Let's go to Grant Scott.

[3:25:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Dave. I thought you were a

[3:25:45] Voice 21: vulture guy. You're that too? Well, just as a matter of interest, Dave came to Hornby Island quite a few years ago and did a presentation on the black turkey vultures. It was really, really fascinating. And he's got a book called The Old Man and the

[3:26:01] Voice 21: Vulture. You're a young guy, Dave. I don't get it.

[3:26:04] Voice 21: but so if you can get

[3:26:07] Voice 21: is that what it's called the old man and the vultures

[3:26:09] Voice 21: it's a beautiful book about

[3:26:10] Voice 21: a couple of nests he found here

[3:26:13] Voice 21: on Pender and he takes the pictures

[3:26:14] Voice 21: the baby vultures

[3:26:16] Voice 21: in there are amazing these little white fluff

[3:26:18] Voice 21: balls with that black beak coming through

[3:26:20] Voice 21: so buy the book I know you can get

[3:26:23] Voice 21: I got another one down at Browning

[3:26:25] Voice 21: Harbour you know where else they could get it

[3:26:26] Voice 21: can I go to the next speaker

[3:26:27] Voice 21: can you let Dave

[3:26:31] Voice 21: answer please

[3:26:35] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:26:38] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, just trying to do time management.

[3:26:40] Trustee Luckham: Alex Allen.

[3:26:41] Voice 20: Hi, Dave.

[3:26:42] Voice 20: Thanks for your presentation.

[3:26:44] Voice 20: I'm just wondering, are you thinking beyond land use planning?

[3:26:46] Voice 20: But I know some islands have been building Eagle platform purchase.

[3:26:52] Voice 20: You're not listening to me.

[3:26:55] Voice 20: No.

[3:26:55] Voice 20: Okay.

[3:26:57] Voice 20: Yes.

[3:26:59] Voice 20: Try again.

[3:27:00] Voice 20: I must be a little balsam.

[3:27:02] Voice 20: summary. Eagle platform purchase. I know they're being done in some islands. Have you explored

[3:27:08] Voice 20: that? Yeah.

[3:27:11] Voice 42: Ospreys work very well with, I don't know, Ospreys work very well.

[3:27:26] Voice 31: Okay. So thank you for the question. Quick question. Quick.

[3:27:34] Trustee Patrick: David, for those local

[3:27:36] Trustee Patrick: trust committees that do have development permit areas that are mapped at what frequency should

[3:27:40] Trustee Patrick: those maps be updated really

[3:27:44] Voice 29: good

[3:27:49] Trustee Luckham: thank you that's a good question good answer okay thank you dave um

[3:27:53] Trustee Luckham: i appreciate the work that you're doing jennifer margerson is our next uh speaker and 10 minutes

[3:28:00] Trustee Luckham: if you please and try to leave some space for questions um

[3:28:06] Voice 8: i would just ask you chair not to

[3:28:09] Voice 8: to start the clock quite yet, because I just want to say one small thing. I want to thank

[3:28:15] Voice 8: Dave for a really interesting and informative presentation. I really, really enjoyed that.

[3:28:21] Voice 8: And before I start, I do just want to say that I acknowledge I'm operating at a bit

[3:28:27] Voice 8: of a disadvantage, not knowing what consensus was reached yesterday on the meaning of the

[3:28:33] Voice 8: the object, as Chair Luckin stated yesterday. Also, just submitting a delegation presentation

[3:28:40] Voice 8: so far in advance of the meeting, you have, of course, moved on in your work,

[3:28:45] Voice 8: and I acknowledge that as well. So I just wanted to make that point.

[3:28:51] Voice 8: Thank you, Laurie. First slide. That's great. Yes, I'm Jennifer Margeson from Galliano Island,

[3:28:58] Voice 8: and I'm really happy to speak to both the Trust Council and the staff today.

[3:29:04] Voice 8: And I'm making this presentation on behalf of the Friends of the Gulf Islands Society.

[3:29:11] Voice 8: And this summer, the 23-year-old Pender Island Trust Protection Society

[3:29:16] Voice 8: restructured as the Friends of the Gulf Islands Society

[3:29:21] Voice 8: with a mandate under a new constitution and bylaws

[3:29:25] Voice 8: to represent the concerns of the entire trust area not just pender and not to

[3:29:31] Voice 8: take away from any local initiatives or groups at all but just with this society

[3:29:37] Voice 8: will have a broader mandate our mission is working to protect the natural

[3:29:42] Voice 8: environment surrounding waters and rural character of the Gulf Islands a new

[3:29:48] Voice 8: website is under development and will be live shortly and we will be embarking on

[3:29:53] Voice 8: a membership campaign. I have some flyers here with our email address and our soon-to-be website link.

[3:30:00] Voice 8: And I can either distribute them or leave them on the table downstairs.

[3:30:05] Voice 8: So the topic of our presentation to you today is governance review follow-up, getting value for our dollars.

[3:30:13] Voice 8: In March 2021, Great Northern Management received a request from the Islands Trust to undertake a review and make recommendations pertaining to governance and management policies.

[3:30:25] Voice 8: In February 2022, Great Northern submitted their thorough report and recommendations.

[3:30:30] Voice 8: Next slide, please. The executive summary of that report states on the first page,

[3:30:38] Voice 8: current trust council practices do not meet the requirements set by good governance principles.

[3:30:45] Voice 8: Since that time, we have had a trustee election, we have a new trust council,

[3:30:50] Voice 8: and we have a governance committee. Next slide, please.

[3:30:55] Voice 8: It is a warning that no significant governance changes were made from two previous reviews.

[3:31:01] Voice 8: both in 2007, the Nielsen-Welch Governance Review and the Stantec Review of Local Planning

[3:31:07] Voice 8: Services. We hope this time will be different. The 2022 Great Northern Management Review Report

[3:31:15] Voice 8: emphasizes, oh, next slide, got that one. I just want to mention the cartoons are for levity,

[3:31:22] Voice 8: not intended in any way to be insulting to any of you for the hard work you're doing.

[3:31:28] Voice 8: The 22 review report emphasizes that a governance review is never an end in itself and that there

[3:31:35] Voice 8: is a pressing need to modernize the trust governance framework. We urge the Governance

[3:31:40] Voice 8: Committee and Trust Council to spend their time on the critical recommendations of the

[3:31:45] Voice 8: current report.

[3:31:47] Voice 31: Next slide, please. I think

[3:31:54] Voice 8: too soon. There should be a list of the danger.

[3:32:01] Voice 8: Thank you, Laurie.

[3:32:02] Voice 8: The review report identifies a number of dangers for the Trust Council as a whole, and I'll just mention a few.

[3:32:07] Voice 8: no clear sense of direction or purpose trustees who don't understand their collective and

[3:32:14] Voice 8: individual responsibilities lack of understanding of the roles and responsibilities in a federated

[3:32:21] Voice 8: governance model disregard of policies loyal to only their own constituency and overloading

[3:32:29] Voice 8: trustees with briefing material and information for decision making and the agenda package might

[3:32:36] Voice 8: be an example of that the new governance committee has held six meetings since january 2023 the

[3:32:46] Voice 8: development of a vision statement has now been undertaken by this trust council however in 2017

[3:32:54] Voice 8: as was stated four vision statements were drafted and none can be agreed on so i commend you for

[3:33:00] Voice 8: your work today however the review report states quote the first challenge that confronts the trust

[3:33:09] Voice 8: is to agree on how to interpret the preserve and protect object of the Trust Act, unquote.

[3:33:17] Voice 8: Friends of the Gulf Islands Society suggest that Trust Council prioritize the following

[3:33:22] Voice 8: six recommendations from the review report. Next slide, please. The first recommendation is

[3:33:29] Voice 8: a shared understanding among trustees of the Islands Trust mission and mandate is essential

[3:33:36] Voice 8: to good governance we agree with trustee bernardo who said in the july 31st 2023 governance committee

[3:33:44] Voice 8: meeting quote our vision has been defined for us it is in section 3 the object of the trust act

[3:33:51] Voice 8: unquote it remains you have now crafted a vision it remains to be seen how you um regard the meaning

[3:34:02] Voice 8: of the object as per the review report recommendation next slide please the second

[3:34:09] Voice 8: recommendation is conduct a caring capacity study for each island directly related to

[3:34:16] Voice 8: and underpinning the trust mission and mandate again from the review report is the statement

[3:34:22] Voice 8: that quote there is no comprehensive analysis of the trust area's capacity to sustain

[3:34:30] Voice 8: current population and activity, and its ability to accommodate more growth and development,

[3:34:38] Voice 8: especially in light of climate change and other considerations, unquote. Next slide, please.

[3:34:45] Voice 8: The third recommendation is trustees' dual fiduciary responsibility should be acknowledged

[3:34:52] Voice 8: and discussed so trustees know what this means. The review report states that, quote,

[3:34:58] Voice 8: The fundamental and most important characteristic of the Islands Trust model is its unique federal structure.

[3:35:07] Voice 8: The locally elected trustees have two sets of fiduciary responsibilities.

[3:35:12] Voice 8: First, to act on behalf of the entirety of the Islands Trust area to preserve and protect the Trust area and its unique amenities and environment for the benefit of residents of the Trust area and of the province generally.

[3:35:26] Voice 8: generally.

[3:35:26] Voice 8: Second, in a manner consistent with the policy statement, act in the best interest of their

[3:35:32] Voice 8: local trust area."

[3:35:33] Voice 8: The report goes on to say that lack of recognition of this dual responsibility, quote, encourages

[3:35:40] Voice 8: unhealthy tension and behaviours that are not designed for consensus building.

[3:35:46] Voice 8: This is true on our islands, not just within Trust Council.

[3:35:50] Voice 8: Next slide, please. The fourth recommendation is committees should be formed that would include

[3:35:57] Voice 8: outside expertise. The review report encourages a greater number of committees that, quote,

[3:36:04] Voice 8: each with a sharper focus on particular priorities or areas of interest, unquote,

[3:36:10] Voice 8: and suggests that the expansion of membership on committees to those who have expertise in

[3:36:15] Voice 8: the subject would both aid in the process of committee work and the credibility of committee

[3:36:21] Voice 8: recommendations to Trust Council. The report also states that, quote, there is an important

[3:36:27] Voice 8: onus on committee members to ensure proposals have been considered from a trust-wide federal

[3:36:35] Voice 8: point of view, unquote. Next slide, please. The fifth recommendation is membership on Trust

[3:36:42] Voice 8: Council should be increased to represent both First Nations and the interests of the province

[3:36:49] Voice 8: as a whole. Reconciliation is in danger of being narrowly confined to fine-sounding words on paper

[3:36:57] Voice 8: and earnest land acknowledgements at the beginning of meetings that will lose all meaning and

[3:37:04] Voice 8: and substance as time goes on.

[3:37:07] Voice 8: Next slide, please.

[3:37:10] Voice 8: The sixth recommendation is include

[3:37:13] Voice 8: independent governance expert, Mary Antoinette Flumian,

[3:37:17] Voice 8: or another author of the report

[3:37:20] Voice 8: as a member of the governance committee.

[3:37:23] Voice 8: The last trust council supported the idea

[3:37:26] Voice 8: of having an independent advisor.

[3:37:29] Voice 8: One of the authors of the governance review report,

[3:37:32] Voice 8: Mary Antoinette Flumian, and as I understand it,

[3:37:36] Voice 8: allocated $15,000 for this expertise. Ms. Flumian stated that trustees are working within

[3:37:43] Voice 8: one of the most burdensome and heavy governance structures that I've ever seen in an organization

[3:37:52] Voice 8: of this size. Today, as we put this recommendation forward, as the last item on our short list of

[3:38:01] Voice 8: recommendations, we would like to ask the Trust Council why this recommendation has not been

[3:38:08] Voice 8: actioned. In the view of the Friends of the Gulf Islands Society, attention to these six areas,

[3:38:17] Voice 8: as identified in the 2022 Governance Review Report, should receive the immediate and sustained

[3:38:23] Voice 8: attention of the Governance Committee and Trust Council, and would be likely to reduce the

[3:38:29] Voice 8: potential pitfalls listed at the beginning of this presentation thank you very much

[3:38:42] Voice 31: would you be

[3:38:43] Voice 8: would trust council be able to answer my last question about the independent

[3:38:47] Voice 8: advisor and the money allocated by the last trust council

[3:38:51] Voice 33: we

[3:39:02] Voice 8: just wonder what happened with that um

[3:39:06] Trustee Luckham: i don't have an immediate answer for that i don't know that anybody else at the table has

[3:39:11] Trustee Luckham: an immediate answer for that

[3:39:14] Trustee Luckham: it's a it's a work in progress right okay

[3:39:18] Voice 8: we we would really be

[3:39:19] Voice 8: interested in in knowing more about that when yeah

[3:39:22] Trustee Luckham: and that those decisions will be made by

[3:39:24] Trustee Luckham: the governance committee um do you have a response of chair gettys of the governance committee

[3:39:32] Voice 5: page 97 of the agenda today where we reported on the work to date of the governance committee

[3:39:39] Voice 5: so we've gone through in detail the governance review that was our first step and we prioritized

[3:39:46] Voice 5: all of the recommendations in that plus the others that trust council had recommended to us

[3:39:51] Voice 5: and we prioritized i think four recommendations though some that you've mentioned and we just

[3:40:00] Voice 5: spent the first part of yesterday working through a collective understanding of the section three

[3:40:05] Voice 5: mandate and we've got a rise and report on that that will be coming out soon and we were able to

[3:40:11] Voice 5: reach agreement on that um and we're now going back um the matrix that i have um with the committee

[3:40:21] Voice 5: agreed that we could use in terms of trying to shift and prioritize things we've picked up another

[3:40:26] Voice 5: couple of references at this meeting um and we're going to have to realign and sort out now that

[3:40:33] Voice 5: we've ticked off section three which one is going to be next um we have um a particular skill set

[3:40:40] Voice 5: amongst the group that's um working very well together we have some experience um we've been

[3:40:46] Voice 5: going through in fairly quite a bit of detail a lot of legal opinions and there's two two of

[3:40:52] Voice 5: us that are lawyers um and there's a lot of interest and energy with the people that are

[3:40:57] Voice 5: on the committee so at this point with the work that we've set out for ourselves we think that

[3:41:02] Voice 5: we've got enough expertise and skills to be able to handle the beginning and opening steps so once

[3:41:10] Voice 5: we get to a point where we're actually looking at possibly other governance structures or some of

[3:41:18] Voice 5: the other more complex matters that come to the governance committee we probably will be asking

[3:41:22] Voice 5: for outside consultants but at this point we're muddling through we think fairly well okay thank

[3:41:29] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:41:30] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for the answer, Trustee Gettys.

[3:41:33] Voice 31: So Peter Parr, Gulf Islands, Sioux Bay Gulf.

[3:41:49] Voice 43: Good afternoon.

[3:41:54] My

[3:41:55] Voice 13: name is Peter Parry.

[3:41:56] Voice 13: I'm from Sideas, Bender Island,

[3:41:59] Voice 13: but I'm here actually representing a group of citizens

[3:42:04] Voice 13: across the Gulf region, the trust region,

[3:42:07] Voice 13: who are urging local governments across BHC

[3:42:13] Voice 13: to contribute to the campaign to sue big oil companies for a portion of the costs to taxpayers

[3:42:21] Voice 13: of the adverse effects of climate change. Those costs are considerable.

[3:42:27] Voice 13: The Insurance Bureau of Canada has estimated that the consequences of climate change

[3:42:42] Voice 13: impact municipalities to the tune of about $5.3 billion per year.

[3:42:51] Voice 13: Many of these costs are related to maintaining infrastructure, roads, impacts of climate change

[3:42:59] Voice 13: on our forests, health effects of climate change, and the consequences of weather events like rains

[3:43:09] Voice 13: and rising sea levels.

[3:43:12] Voice 13: So the estimate from the Bureau doesn't include damages

[3:43:19] Voice 13: that communities will and are paying for

[3:43:22] Voice 13: for the devastation caused by extreme weather events.

[3:43:26] Voice 13: And we only need to look at the next slide

[3:43:28] Voice 13: and a couple of examples locally are, of course,

[3:43:32] Voice 13: as you remember, the Lytton Fire of 2021,

[3:43:35] Voice 13: 2021, which has cost so far $100 million and rising, and then the B.C. floods in the fall

[3:43:42] Voice 13: of 2021, where the price tag is $13 billion at the present time, so big costs.

[3:43:54] Voice 13: The islands of the Trust are disproportionately affected by climate change, including the

[3:44:06] Voice 13: adverse consequences of sea level rises salt water incursion and foreshore property damage

[3:44:13] Voice 13: increasing droughts loss of forest cover stress on the agricultural uh land base increased potential

[3:44:20] Voice 13: for wildfires heavier winter rains which result in increased costs for road repair culvert replacement

[3:44:27] Voice 13: and property damage so we're definitely incurring costs next slide and funding

[3:44:38] Voice 13: for these sue big oil from the sue big oil suit could help the trust right it

[3:44:46] Voice 13: could help implement the recommended strategies of your freshwater

[3:44:50] Voice 13: sustainability Act and maybe help with the study of the carrying capacity we

[3:44:55] Voice 13: just heard about next slide next point uh help fund uh the islands trust conservancy uh acquire

[3:45:05] Voice 13: land to conserve and to maintain those lands next one uh help to pay and repair for retrofitting of

[3:45:12] Voice 13: water storages pay for repair apparent repair relocation of wells and septic fields affected

[3:45:20] Voice 13: affected by saltwater intrusion, and lastly, pay for the increased fire preparation costs.

[3:45:28] Voice 13: So, but it isn't just about money. There's also, next slide, there's health costs. Like during,

[3:45:39] Voice 13: as you know, during the heat dome of 2021, 600 people in British Columbia died related directly

[3:45:45] Voice 13: to heat. And climate change has resulted in increased risk for cardiovascular and pulmonary

[3:45:51] Voice 13: diseases, including asthma among children, and mental health issues related to eco-anxiety,

[3:46:00] Voice 13: especially among our young people. So the challenges of paying for these are in stark

[3:46:06] Voice 13: contrast to the staggering profits for the fossil fuel companies. Next slide, please.

[3:46:13] Voice 13: It's been estimated that since 1970s, the fossil fuel companies have profits of approximately

[3:46:24] Voice 13: In 2002 alone, Exxon had a profit of $56 billion, Shell $40 billion, and Chevron $35 billion.

[3:46:34] Voice 13: So as early as the 1960s, the big oil companies' own science showed that there was a direct

[3:46:43] Voice 13: link between the burning of fossil fuels and global warming.

[3:46:47] Voice 13: And instead of sounding the alarm, these companies lobbied against climate action.

[3:46:53] Voice 13: They invested billions of dollars of propaganda to sow doubt about climate change.

[3:46:59] Voice 13: But we now know unequivocally what these companies have known for decades,

[3:47:06] Voice 13: that the climate crisis is a direct result of greenhouse gases emitted largely from extracting and burning fossil fuels.

[3:47:14] Voice 13: burning of fossil fuels accounts for 86 percent of greenhouse gases globally and and in canada

[3:47:23] Voice 13: 27 percent of our emissions come from the oil and gas production taxpayers are covering 100 percent

[3:47:33] Voice 13: of the cost of the consequences of these changes so the big oil campaign suggests that companies

[3:47:41] Voice 13: companies need to pay their fair share of these costs.

[3:47:45] Voice 13: What the group is asking is that the Trust pass a motion to join the class action lawsuit,

[3:47:54] Voice 13: set aside at least 50 cents per resident from the 2003 or 2004 budget towards a community

[3:48:04] Voice 13: fund to sue Big Oil, commit to joining with other governments in B.C. to file a class

[3:48:11] Voice 13: action lawsuit to recover a fair share of the cost and to cooperate with First Nations

[3:48:17] Voice 13: in doing so.

[3:48:19] Voice 13: The idea is actually most municipalities are asking for $1 per resident, but because the

[3:48:25] Voice 13: trust has got a shared governance structure with regional districts, we're suggesting

[3:48:31] Voice 13: $0.50 on the dollar from the trust region, and we'll be approaching each of the regional

[3:48:39] Voice 13: districts that it's appropriate for the other 50 cents and the whole idea here is to gather enough

[3:48:45] Voice 13: money and enough signatures approximately half a million signatures uh before the trust uh the suit

[3:48:54] Voice 13: progresses so it's requested to set aside the money for potential future use when this suit

[3:49:02] Voice 13: go forward. Next slide. So there's precedence for such suits, as you know. Tobacco companies

[3:49:11] Voice 13: have suppressed knowledge about the harmful effects of their products, and they've been

[3:49:18] Voice 13: subject to massive lawsuits. And the big pharma companies have also been successfully sued for

[3:49:24] Voice 13: billions of dollars for the harms that some of their products do. Next slide. And there's wide

[3:49:31] Voice 13: support for this movement and this motion. In 2019, many lawyers across Canada published an

[3:49:39] Voice 13: open letter in favor of the campaign. Next slide. A poll from Stratacom Strategic Communication

[3:49:46] Voice 13: showed that 69% of BC residents support this. Next slide. On Denman recently, 85% of those

[3:49:55] Voice 13: canvass signed a declaration to sue Big Oil. At a recent farmers market here right on Pender Island,

[3:50:02] Voice 13: just outside the door, we canvassed 150 people, and 89 percent signed the declaration.

[3:50:11] Voice 13: There's also lots of support in other countries. California just agreed to sue Big Oil,

[3:50:19] Voice 13: joining about 40 other states and municipalities in the U.S. that are suing.

[3:50:26] Voice 13: So you're better on the bandwagon before the money is all gone.

[3:50:30] Voice 13: Next slide.

[3:50:30] Voice 13: So there's wide citizen engagement in this campaign, working with West Coast Environmental Law.

[3:50:37] Voice 13: All of these communities are involved.

[3:50:39] Voice 13: Next slide.

[3:50:42] Voice 13: In a statement, given the level of support coming from the community and the costs we're facing,

[3:50:51] Voice 13: we believe that suing the top five oil companies is a prudent, fiscally responsible, fair,

[3:50:58] Voice 13: low-risk, forward-thinking action. The UN Secretary-General said

[3:51:05] Voice 13: legal challenges against climate-wrecking corporations are an important step forward.

[3:51:13] Voice 13: Fossil fuel producers and their financial backers need to understand a crucial truth. Pursuing

[3:51:20] Voice 13: megaprofits when so many people are losing their lives and rights today and tomorrow

[3:51:27] Voice 13: is completely unacceptable.

[3:51:29] Voice 13: Next slide.

[3:51:31] Voice 13: So in 2019, you guys passed a climate emergency,

[3:51:38] Voice 13: and you committed to making urgent and fair climate actions.

[3:51:43] Voice 13: So actually, next slide, joining this lawsuit

[3:51:47] Voice 13: is a natural extension of this action.

[3:51:51] Voice 13: Thank you.

[3:51:52] Trustee Luckham: Perfect timing.

[3:51:53] Trustee Luckham: Love it.

[3:51:54] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:51:55] Trustee Luckham: you. So thank you very much for bringing your message today. And certainly we can

[3:52:00] Trustee Luckham: consider that in the future. Great. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next speaker, Andy Nowak,

[3:52:07] Trustee Luckham: the Pandora Island Forest Stewards, regarding freshwater security for the

[3:52:11] Voice 31: Islands Trust area.

[3:52:26] Voice 31: So 10 minutes and try to keep some

[3:52:29] Trustee Luckham: time for questions if you want to answer questions.

[3:52:31] Trustee Luckham: Sure.

[3:52:31] Voice 7: Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Andy Nowak. I'm a resident of North

[3:52:37] Voice 7: pender island sadeas the effects of climate change and the growing population in the trust area

[3:52:45] Voice 7: is clear and present in light of this thank you water security is of immense importance

[3:52:53] Voice 7: both for the ecosystems that we depend upon as well as for the human population the level 5

[3:53:01] Voice 7: drought conditions that we've been experiencing this past year is a reminder of the fragility

[3:53:07] Voice 7: of our water resources and on top of that is the fact that we unlike other jurisdictions that fence

[3:53:16] Voice 7: off their recharge areas we work play and live right in the middle of our watersheds the islands

[3:53:25] Voice 7: trust has completed an impressive amount of work in understanding freshwater resources and states

[3:53:34] Voice 7: states that its number one goal is, I quote, to protect ecosystems and overall health of

[3:53:41] Voice 7: watersheds and groundwater in the area. This quote was taken from the Freshwater Sustainability

[3:53:49] Voice 7: Strategy. It's a very comprehensive and valuable Islands Trust document, and we need to use

[3:53:58] Voice 7: it. We need to implement those strategies. As such, we ask the Islands Trust Council

[3:54:06] Voice 7: to act immediately upon the following five items. Number one, develop policy

[3:54:15] Voice 7: tools to protect recharge areas as identified in the report. For example,

[3:54:24] Voice 7: designate and enforce development permit areas, and I quote the strategy

[3:54:30] Voice 7: again. Use the best available information to protect watersheds and water resources

[3:54:37] Voice 7: in land use planning and development decisions. In the meantime, we urge you to apply the

[3:54:47] Voice 7: precautionary principle in any new development decisions. For example, water availability

[3:54:55] Voice 7: sustainability in the context of climate change projections should be given a high priority

[3:55:01] Voice 7: when considering rezoning applications.

[3:55:05] Voice 7: Number two, we request that the water allocation plans be updated.

[3:55:12] Voice 7: They were created in 1998 and were supposed to be updated in 2005.

[3:55:18] Voice 7: It is our understanding that this has not happened,

[3:55:24] Voice 44: resulting

[3:55:26] Voice 7: in grossly outdated information

[3:55:29] Voice 7: being available for use in decision-making.

[3:55:33] Voice 7: Number three, begin a science-based education and incentivization program for residents

[3:55:43] Voice 7: and landowners alike to understand how island watersheds work, how to store water in the

[3:55:51] Voice 7: rainy season how to mitigate extreme rainfall events and work with communities to conserve

[3:55:57] Voice 7: water in the dry season some communities have already done a lot of work in this area such as

[3:56:03] Voice 7: salt spring island at the regional district of nanaimo we don't need to reinvent the wheel

[3:56:10] Voice 7: but we request that the islands trust take the lead in coordinating this program let's empower

[3:56:21] Voice 7: 4. Complete carrying capacity studies on all islands that include consideration of ecological water requirements, not just human requirements,

[3:56:37] Voice 7: and projections from climate science so that we have data to guide us towards a secure supply of water for the future.

[3:56:47] Voice 7: Number five, convene a water security working group with participation from the Islands Trust,

[3:56:56] Voice 7: regional districts, the province, First Nations and community groups to jointly work towards

[3:57:04] Voice 7: providing solutions and actions to protect our freshwater resources. Your mandate is to protect

[3:57:14] Voice 7: and preserve. This includes freshwater resources. Can you give us an assurance that you will act on

[3:57:22] Voice 7: our requests? Please do not let the freshwater sustainability strategy become another forgotten

[3:57:30] Voice 7: document. Thank you. Thank

[3:57:45] Voice 31: you. Let us

[3:57:48] Trustee Luckham: now go to the public comment period. And so those folks here

[3:57:51] Trustee Luckham: that have joined us today in person really grateful that you're here i'll just get a show

[3:57:56] Trustee Luckham: of hands to try and figure out my time management who would like to address council here today so

[3:58:01] Trustee Luckham: i'm seeing one two three four so how about we just work in that order and you can organize

[3:58:08] Trustee Luckham: yourselves accordingly and two minutes is usually what we allocate for um town hall comments so uh

[3:58:14] Trustee Luckham: the first person please up to the microphone and we'll go from there

[3:58:18] Trustee Luckham: I'm

[3:58:20] Voice 31: sorry? Would we prefer?

[3:58:25] Voice 36: It doesn't matter to me.

[3:58:28] Voice 36: My

[3:58:34] Voice 31: name is Peter. I

[3:58:35] Voice 35: live on the island here. I've owned the land since 1989. When I came into

[3:58:42] Voice 35: the parking lot yesterday, I was kind of not surprised or dismayed, but my first thought was,

[3:58:51] Voice 35: was, wow, there are so many vehicles in the parking lot, and vehicles burn, vehicles burn

[3:58:59] Voice 35: petroleum fuels, most of them do. So my next thought was, do people know about global warming?

[3:59:08] Voice 35: Well, yeah, by now everyone knows about it and accepts it. Then my next thought was,

[3:59:13] Voice 35: do people understand the process of global warming, how it's related to fuels? Yeah,

[3:59:20] Voice 35: Yeah, most people accept that now.

[3:59:23] Voice 35: So then I thought, why are there so many vehicles here?

[3:59:26] Voice 35: Well, of course, it's difficult to break an old habit.

[3:59:29] Voice 35: It's convenient to hop in a car and travel.

[3:59:33] Voice 35: An alternative, we saw the electric bus here today.

[3:59:36] Voice 35: In my imagination, I think, wow, what if people could leave their car at Swartz Bay or at home,

[3:59:43] Voice 35: come to Penderel Island as a foot passenger,

[3:59:45] Voice 35: the bus would meet them at the ferry terminal and bring them here.

[3:59:48] Voice 35: When it's time to go to, say, Browning Harbor, where they're staying for the night, the bus could take them.

[3:59:57] Voice 35: It wouldn't cost that much.

[4:00:00] Voice 35: could be arranged it's quite practical so maybe that type of thing is something that could be

[4:00:05] Voice 35: considered in the future okay no one minute remaining oh well i don't need that much time

[4:00:10] Voice 35: go ahead

[4:00:10] Voice 35: um if someone i'd be interested there's probably no questions because it's a fairly

[4:00:17] Voice 35: straightforward proposition i wonder if anyone wants to challenge me or contradict me or tell

[4:00:24] Voice 35: me it's a stupid idea um go ahead no no there's no challenge how can i live with this okay thanks

[4:00:34] Voice 35: i have a voice so this isn't really necessary but i admire your efforts these heroic efforts

[4:00:46] Voice 35: of all the trustees and the staff i mean my concern is that the ship will be on the bottom

[4:00:52] Voice 35: them before the duck chairs are all perfectly arranged. I know you're working on it.

[4:01:01] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, sir, for your encouragement to have a lighter footprint, and we do our best.

[4:01:09] Trustee Luckham: So our next speaker, please introduce yourself in two minutes.

[4:01:18] Voice 41: Pouncers, my name is Michael Sketch. I live on North Pender Island. My comment today is on

[4:01:24] Voice 41: on the vision and letter to the Minister from Council sessions of this quarterly Council meeting.

[4:01:32] Voice 41: My comment addresses both your vision and letter to the Minister from Council agenda items.

[4:01:38] Voice 41: I've said that. I think it's very clear from the Hansard report to the 1973 legislature

[4:01:44] Voice 41: that an Islands Trust Act would address the threat of overdevelopment in the Trust area,

[4:01:50] Voice 41: specifically to avoid the built environment overwhelming the natural environment to the

[4:01:58] Voice 41: extent that sustaining elements of the natural environment are compromised it follows that the

[4:02:05] Voice 41: intention of the object is to address a balance between built and natural environments such

[4:02:12] Voice 41: legislated environmental protection was bold for its day if asked the 1973 legislators would

[4:02:20] Voice 41: would probably agree that the vision for the Islands Trust Act was an effective implementation

[4:02:26] Voice 41: of the object in the trust area in 2023, as in 1973.

[4:02:34] Voice 41: The 1989 amendment to the Act gave force and effect to the object.

[4:02:40] Voice 41: Council would adopt a policy statement bylaw, a TPS, which implemented the object for the

[4:02:47] Voice 41: entire trust area.

[4:02:48] Voice 41: The Act had already established a federation governance to be effective in implementing

[4:02:56] Voice 41: the object, and federation governance is clearly

[4:03:02] Voice 31: set out in the Act.

[4:03:03] Voice 31: That Council didn't follow the federation governance isn't implemented

[4:03:11] Voice 41: was as unreasonable

[4:03:14] Voice 41: in 1993 as it is today.

[4:03:18] Voice 41: The consequence is that the vision of an effective implementation of the object hasn't been realized,

[4:03:24] Voice 41: nor has federation governance. In the confusion, council and the public are less secure in the

[4:03:31] Voice 41: vision for the trust area than we should be. The confusion is unnecessary, councillors. You

[4:03:39] Voice 41: have the skills and the means to address the obvious failings of the TPS and federation

[4:03:45] Voice 41: governance, looking around the room. However, to write the minister and ask the province

[4:03:51] Voice 41: how to manage your own council table is singularly unfortunate.

[4:03:58] Voice 41: Although the present provincial government may favour the Act,

[4:04:01] Voice 41: a future government may not.

[4:04:04] Voice 41: It could be said that if council cannot manage its own affairs

[4:04:08] Voice 41: when it hasn't yet carried out the instruction of the Act to do so,

[4:04:13] Voice 41: then let the Act be rescinded.

[4:04:16] Voice 41: That would be tragic.

[4:04:19] Voice 41: Thank you.

[4:04:19] Voice 41: I

[4:04:23] Voice 31: don't imagine there are any questions to that.

[4:04:25] Voice 31: Thank you, Michael.

[4:04:38] Voice 31: Julia Nichols,

[4:04:40] Voice 12: and this is Wausanich Territory.

[4:04:43] Voice 12: I'm looking at your poster there about both and.

[4:04:48] Voice 12: And I have to tell you, both and won't work while we're on fire.

[4:04:53] Voice 12: 30,000 BC people have been evacuated, and the chances of fires are very high.

[4:05:00] Voice 12: There was just a fire exposure study done on Salt Spring Island with the GRD and the local trust, and they found that the most at-risk places is private land.

[4:05:17] Voice 12: And the fire studies that we're using here are for public land and doesn't include studies for private land.

[4:05:31] Voice 12: So it would be good for us to look at the same thing that Salt Spring has done.

[4:05:37] Voice 12: The result of their study was that they recommended that there be DPAs based on fire resiliency.

[4:05:49] Voice 12: resiliency. And also, Salt Spring did a pamphlet, which has been updated by Lisa Bale,

[4:06:00] Voice 12: and she's handed it out. I think it's there. Can you hold it up for me, please? Yes. And that

[4:06:08] Voice 12: talks about the importance of a healthy forest and what it is that brings a forest and keeps

[4:06:17] Voice 12: keeps it healthy.

[4:06:18] Voice 12: There are lots of really good specific suggestions there

[4:06:23] Voice 12: that I don't have time to cover.

[4:06:25] Voice 12: I know that there are new trustees here.

[4:06:30] Voice 12: I also know that there was a motion

[4:06:34] Voice 12: that was put forward to rescind a request

[4:06:38] Voice 12: for more power for protection of the forests.

[4:06:42] Voice 12: And I know that there were four trustees

[4:06:44] Voice 12: that voted to not rescind that request.

[4:06:49] Voice 12: I'd like to really thank those four people

[4:06:52] Voice 12: and everybody else.

[4:06:54] Voice 12: I'd like you to consider that.

[4:06:57] Voice 12: Okay, I'm getting the...

[4:06:58] Voice 12: Are there any questions?

[4:07:00] Voice 12: What I'm asking for is that you expand your DPAs

[4:07:05] Voice 12: and give them some teeth for enforcement.

[4:07:08] Voice 12: Any questions?

[4:07:12] Voice 12: Good.

[4:07:13] Voice 12: Thank

[4:07:14] Voice 36: you for coming today.

[4:07:16] Voice 36: For

[4:07:19] Voice 31: the benefit of the last speaker,

[4:07:31] Trustee Patrick: the CRD did do a community wildfire resiliency plan

[4:07:35] Trustee Patrick: for the southern Gulf Islands as well.

[4:07:37] Trustee Patrick: That's available on the CRD website.

[4:07:41] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[4:07:44] Trustee Luckham: Past Trustee Bruce McConkie, I think you're next.

[4:07:49] Trustee Luckham: And we've got two people online that I want to acknowledge, Maxine Leichter and Kayse

[4:07:56] Trustee Luckham: longer as also past trustee. Over to you, Bruce.

[4:08:01] Voice 11: Hello, trustees, and hello to the Ides Trust

[4:08:05] Voice 11: hardworking and ever-patient staff members. My name is Bruce McConkie, former trustee on

[4:08:13] Voice 11: South Pender Island, and currently I am working with seven other coastal community groups

[4:08:18] Voice 11: in raising awareness and setting off some alarm bells, both in our communities and with the

[4:08:25] Voice 11: federal government and that's what i'm here today to do trustees and especially the southern gulf

[4:08:29] Voice 11: island trustees right in front of you in the water surrounding your islands there is a significant

[4:08:37] Voice 11: environmental attack that is undermining all of your efforts in trying to accomplish your mandate

[4:08:43] Voice 11: of preserve and protect it is also undermining our efforts as residents it's the ongoing use

[4:08:51] Voice 11: of up to 33 large commercial ship anchorages throughout these southern gulf island waters

[4:08:57] Voice 11: in essence it is an overflow parking lot for the port of vancouver today there were 21 ships

[4:09:07] Voice 11: currently anchored in these waters spewing out from their diesel generators 24 hours a day

[4:09:14] Voice 11: 10 tons of CO2 per day per ship. Put in perspective, one ton of CO2 is equal basically to one car

[4:09:24] Voice 11: driving on gasoline for half a year, almost 10,000 kilometers. Multiply that. The negative

[4:09:32] Voice 11: environmental impacts to marine life, coastal residents, and to our First Nations are significant,

[4:09:40] Voice 11: significant, and they're getting worse as their use is ever increasing.

[4:09:44] Voice 11: Back in 2008, there were only 19 ships for the year.

[4:09:48] Voice 11: Last year, in 2022, there were 476, translated into 5,900 anchoring days.

[4:10:01] Voice 11: Now we've expressed oppositions, and our multiple First Nations have expressed their opposition,

[4:10:06] Voice 11: and you have an opportunity to support our coastal First Nations in their efforts opposing

[4:10:11] Voice 11: posing the degradation of their traditional fishing and harvesting grounds.

[4:10:16] Voice 11: Now, past Trust Councils have been advocating for the elimination of these anchorages.

[4:10:21] Voice 11: I especially want to thank Claire Freider for her ongoing efforts behind the scenes and on her own time, mostly, in advocating against this.

[4:10:31] Voice 11: But since January 2021, Trust Council's voices have been muffled, if not silent.

[4:10:38] Voice 11: We are now at a critical juncture right now, as the federal government is currently debating Bill C-33, which is going to amend the Marine Act.

[4:10:51] Voice 11: And it appears to be moving to give the Port of Vancouver jurisdiction over the anchorages outside of its port boundaries.

[4:10:58] Voice 11: So Bruce,

[4:10:59] Voice 31: can I ask you to wrap up, Bruce?

[4:11:00] Voice 11: Make these anchorages permanent, and it's so important that you now raise your voices

[4:11:05] Voice 11: collectively as Trust Council and back with your islands and your communities to oppose

[4:11:09] Voice 11: this before it's permanent and it's too late.

[4:11:12] Voice 11: Thank you for your time.

[4:11:14] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Bruce, for your very lengthy battle on this front, and I appreciate it.

[4:11:23] Trustee Luckham: I'm glad you're here today.

[4:11:27] Trustee Luckham: I think that concludes our speakers.

[4:11:29] Trustee Luckham: We've got two speakers on line.

[4:11:32] Trustee Luckham: I see another hand has come up at the last minute here.

[4:11:35] Trustee Luckham: But I just want to also, before I go to Maxine Leichter as the first speaker, just want to

[4:11:40] Trustee Luckham: recognize that Case Longerice and Deborah Ferencz, both previous trustees, are in the

[4:11:44] Trustee Luckham: audience and Case wishes to speak.

[4:11:46] Trustee Luckham: So thank you for joining us today.

[4:11:47] Trustee Luckham: So Maxine Leichter, over to you.

[4:11:50] Voice 45: Hi there.

[4:11:51] Voice 45: Thanks for making time for me today.

[4:11:54] Voice 45: Just a second.

[4:11:56] Voice 45: And you have two minutes.

[4:11:57] Voice 45: I think you know that.

[4:11:59] Voice 45: Can I make my picture show, or is that impossible?

[4:12:02] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I don't think that's possible.

[4:12:04] Trustee Luckham: No, sorry.

[4:12:05] Trustee Luckham: We don't have that capacity for these meetings.

[4:12:08] Voice 45: Okay.

[4:12:10] Voice 45: So I'm here representing Friends of the Gulf Islands.

[4:12:13] Voice 45: I'd like to read you the highlights of a resolution that our board passed recently with a request to you.

[4:12:18] Voice 45: This is relevant to your considering a request to the province to review the Trust Act.

[4:12:24] Voice 45: So there are a couple whereases.

[4:12:26] Voice 45: The first one has to do with a motion that you passed, the Trust Council, in March of 2019, called the Islands Trust Reconciliation Declaration, which reads,

[4:12:38] Voice 45: Islands Trust Council acknowledges that the islands and waters that encompass the Islands Trust area have been home to Indigenous peoples since time immemorial

[4:12:46] Voice 45: and honors this rich history, stewardship, and cultural heritage that embody this place we call home.

[4:12:54] Voice 45: Council is committed to establishing and maintaining mutually respectful relationships between indigenous and non-indigenous people and a commitment to reconciliation with the understanding that this commitment is a long-term relationship building and healing process.

[4:13:09] Voice 45: Islands Trust Council has tried to create opportunities for knowledge sharing and understanding as people come together to preserve and protect the special nature of the islands and the Salish Sea.

[4:13:20] Voice 45: The other whereas is from the government's review, which stated, as noted, the recent amendment to the Islands Trust Act, which adds First Nations to a list of entities with which the trust is to cooperate, does not meet the spirit of what is envisaged in DRIPA for First Nations participation.

[4:13:41] Voice 45: One important measure would be for the province following consultation with appropriate First Nations to make provision for the appointment of a First Nations representative to the Islands Trust Council.

[4:13:54] Voice 45: This would require an amendment to the Act.

[4:13:57] Voice 45: Friends of the Gulf Islands takes the position that First Nations should be represented on either Trust Council or Trust Executor or both.

[4:14:07] Voice 45: And Friends of the Gulf Islands urges the Trust Council to request that the province consult with

[4:14:14] Voice 45: First Nations and amend the Islands Trust Act to provide for the appointment of First Nations

[4:14:20] Voice 45: representatives to the Trust Council and or Trust Executive. Thank you.

[4:14:27] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much for your presentation today. Our next speaker will be Case Longerice from

[4:14:34] Trustee Luckham: Gabrielle. Hello, Pace. Nice to see you in the audience.

[4:14:37] Voice 1: Yeah. Well, thank you very much, everyone, for listening to me.

[4:14:41] Voice 1: I've got a simple question, but I think it's

[4:14:45] Voice 1: more complicated to answer. The Islands Trust Act

[4:14:48] Voice 1: refers to the Islands Trust as a trust, and that

[4:14:53] Voice 1: people are elected as trustees. And these terms

[4:14:57] Voice 1: have a legal meaning in legislation. So presumably,

[4:15:00] Voice 1: the trustees have a fiduciary duty to all bc residents not just local residents you know to

[4:15:08] Voice 1: preserve and protect the area the trust area you know we just beat a lot of legislative history

[4:15:13] Voice 1: you know that local trust committees have assumed the power of regional districts and and and

[4:15:20] Voice 1: regulating land use you know and that is the trust transfer that we've been given the authority

[4:15:28] Voice 1: previously held by regional directors and districts to exercise this power so

[4:15:35] Voice 1: what's the fiduciary duty it is I believe to not just local residents but

[4:15:41] Voice 1: all BC people and I'm not going to go to more in the detail of history but you

[4:15:47] Voice 1: would assume that given the islands trust is a trust the website itself

[4:15:54] Voice 1: would use that term as a descriptor, but it doesn't.

[4:15:59] Voice 1: I searched the website and the most frequent descriptor of itself is

[4:16:04] Voice 1: special purpose government. And the trust policy statement itself also

[4:16:09] Voice 1: avoids the use of this term describing itself as a trust. In the

[4:16:14] Voice 1: introduction of the trust policy statement, which is actually not part of the actual

[4:16:19] Voice 1: bylaw it describes the island trust as a unique land use planning agency so there seems to be

[4:16:26] Voice 1: reluctance to use the term used in the act to describe itself so it leads me to believe

[4:16:32] Voice 1: or question whether the trust sees itself more as a local government at least as it how it presents

[4:16:39] Voice 1: itself to the public so my question do you see the island's trust as a trust or as a modified

[4:16:47] Voice 1: form of local government, and how does that impact decision-making for you as trustees?

[4:16:55] Voice 1: Thank you.

[4:16:57] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Case.

[4:16:59] Trustee Luckham: You certainly indicated right at the beginning a much more difficult question to answer.

[4:17:05] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, you quoted wording in the legislation, special purpose government, and that's what

[4:17:10] Trustee Luckham: we're often referred to as by the province.

[4:17:13] Trustee Luckham: I don't think that I can do justice to an answer at this time and know would staff be

[4:17:17] Trustee Luckham: able to provide that but certainly happy to continue to have that dialogue with you and

[4:17:22] Trustee Luckham: maybe that will become more apparent as we advance our work through the governance

[4:17:27] Trustee Luckham: actually i

[4:17:29] Voice 1: would just like to add one comment and i noted that trustee bernardo at this meeting

[4:17:34] Voice 1: actually referred to the island's trust as a trust it's one of the few times that it occurs

[4:17:41] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Bernardo.

[4:17:44] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[4:17:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Case, for being here today.

[4:17:46] Trustee Luckham: And I hope that you appreciate that you're right.

[4:17:49] Trustee Luckham: That is a difficult question to answer.

[4:17:50] Trustee Luckham: And so let us go to our next speaker, which looks like Ian Pearce.

[4:17:57] Trustee Luckham: And please state your name and the island you're representing.

[4:18:03] Trustee Luckham: And then Debra Ferns, yeah.

[4:18:07] Voice 6: Hi.

[4:18:07] Voice 6: My name is Ian Pearce.

[4:18:08] Voice 6: and I'm phoning in from Salt Spring Island and the reason I'm calling is to encourage

[4:18:16] Voice 6: trust council to continue their effort to map eelgrass sufficiently that it can be used

[4:18:25] Voice 6: the maps can be used for proper planning. I think that it's very easy to overlook the importance

[4:18:31] Voice 6: of something that sounds so passive as eelgrass in the environment where it's actually you know

[4:18:38] Voice 6: a pillar of salmon health and all kinds of other aquatic life require eelgrass so i'm encouraged

[4:18:48] Voice 6: that the staff has been tasked with coming up with a way to continue even if that requires

[4:18:57] Voice 6: outside funding and my point here is like please continue to allow eelgrass mapping it's not

[4:19:08] Voice 6: complete it's an important aspect of knowing what's going on in the marine foreshore thanks

[4:19:14] Voice 6: very much um

[4:19:17] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much ian for your uh reaching out to council today certainly that's

[4:19:22] Trustee Luckham: a budget discussion um and we'll trust council will take that into consideration i'm sure

[4:19:27] Trustee Luckham: i'm going to go to the next speaker on our list which is deborah

[4:19:31] Voice 31: ferns from uh gabrielle alone

[4:19:38] Voice 31: hello hello yes

[4:19:41] Trustee Luckham: we can hear you

[4:19:42] Voice 2: okay thank you um yes hello uh trustees uh it's deborah ferens

[4:19:47] Voice 2: i'm speaking on behalf of the gulf islands alliance i'm joining you from the traditional

[4:19:52] Voice 2: territory of this dynamic first nations and and the comments are regarding the recommendation

[4:19:57] Voice 2: of the governance review about the uh concerning the urgent and high priority um for section three

[4:20:05] Voice 2: of the islands trust act the gulf islands alliance is appreciative and supportive of this recommendation

[4:20:10] Voice 2: from the governance of committee over the years gaia has stated its unequivocal support for section

[4:20:18] Voice 2: three of the islands trust act established almost 50 years ago in response to the concerns of

[4:20:24] Voice 2: residents visitors and the government of the day created as a special purpose agency distinct from

[4:20:30] Voice 2: a local government to fulfill a preserve and protect focus protect with a focus on protecting

[4:20:38] Voice 2: terrestrial and marine habitats and ensuring that decisions regarding growth and development

[4:20:43] Voice 2: in the trust area do not diminish the natural environment gaia believes that support for this

[4:20:50] Voice 2: particular preserve and protect focus remains widely shared across the trust area and throughout

[4:20:55] Voice 2: throughout BC. Gaia has previously shared legal opinions that have been sought and which

[4:21:01] Voice 2: have provided background for much of our presentations to Trust Council, containing numerous insights

[4:21:07] Voice 2: into interpreting the object, such as, quote, the Islands Trust Act expresses a clear and

[4:21:14] Voice 2: vigorous legislative intention to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique

[4:21:19] Voice 2: communities and environment and vest the trust bodies with the duty to do so for a trust body

[4:21:26] Voice 2: to legally exercise its powers it must comply with both the spirit and letter of the act

[4:21:33] Voice 2: the slumbering global community is finally showing some vital signs recently in addressing the triple

[4:21:39] Voice 2: planetary crisis of climate change biodiversity loss and solution and with canada's new law the

[4:21:48] Voice 2: right to a healthy environment the global diversity framework international partners

[4:21:54] Voice 2: signed on to halt and reverse the alarming loss of biodiversity worldwide and in early march of

[4:22:00] Voice 2: this year the delegates to an intergovernmental conference reached a historic agreement on terms

[4:22:07] Voice 2: of the un high seas treaty to protect marine biodiversity and governments at all levels

[4:22:14] Voice 2: including the Addams Trust, with its special purpose mandate,

[4:22:18] Voice 2: have inalienable and fundamental obligations to protect the earth

[4:22:22] Voice 2: with a duty to all living creatures, protecting landscapes, biodiversity,

[4:22:28] Voice 2: ecological functions for continuing survival, and to sustain future generations.

[4:22:34] Voice 2: Thank you very much for all your work throughout this three days that you're gathering,

[4:22:39] Voice 2: and I hope it all goes well.

[4:22:42] Voice 2: Thank

[4:22:45] Trustee Luckham: you very much, Deb, for joining us today and your ongoing work in the items. Thank you.

[4:22:54] Trustee Luckham: That completes our town hall public comment period. I just want to make a couple of

[4:23:02] Trustee Luckham: acknowledgments here before we move on with the rest of our agenda.

[4:23:06] Trustee Luckham: I often want to recognize those people that have been previously elected or in political life that

[4:23:14] Trustee Luckham: that have passed on, and I think I probably acknowledged earlier at an executive committee

[4:23:19] Trustee Luckham: meeting that Pat Carney, Senator Carney, passed away on Saturna Island just recently, and

[4:23:25] Trustee Luckham: then Rich Tamblyn, a trustee here from Main Island, passed away recently.

[4:23:30] Trustee Luckham: Another individual which I don't usually reach out that far, that I feel necessary to acknowledge

[4:23:37] Trustee Luckham: is Gary Padgett, and Gary Padgett was a provincial government employee, was a planner, joined

[4:23:43] Trustee Luckham: the public services 1977 was instrumental in in work with the island's trust at the beginnings

[4:23:50] Trustee Luckham: of the island's trust and indeed i had a chance to see him last year at the ubcm if i'm not mistaken

[4:23:56] Trustee Luckham: and was still active after so many years working in public service and has definitely assisted us

[4:24:03] Trustee Luckham: at the island's trust i just want to note that in that time that he was employed at the in the

[4:24:09] Trustee Luckham: public service. He was also inducted into the Hall of Excellence in 2014, which is even some time

[4:24:16] Trustee Luckham: ago now. But I just want to acknowledge those individuals that have dedicated a portion of

[4:24:20] Trustee Luckham: their life to the public service and local government. So let us continue. We're moving

[4:24:28] Trustee Luckham: now into planning services section. I want to thank everybody for all of the work we've done

[4:24:34] Trustee Luckham: done so far over the last 24 hours.

[4:24:38] Trustee Luckham: We have a couple of consent agenda items at 9.11 to 9.13, I think would be the numbers,

[4:24:52] Trustee Luckham: those being the Director of Planning Services Report, Regional Planning Committee, and By-law

[4:24:57] Trustee Luckham: Enforcement.

[4:24:58] Trustee Luckham: I'll just ask if there's any of those items that trustees wish to pull out of the deck

[4:25:03] Trustee Luckham: here.

[4:25:04] Trustee Luckham: certainly the director of regional planning services up there and he's happy to address

[4:25:08] Trustee Luckham: anything that might be in his report is there any thing that trustees would like to pull from the

[4:25:13] Trustee Luckham: um from the uh consent

[4:25:16] Voice 31: agenda items i believe there was a discussion

[4:25:25] Voice 28: earlier to allow a little

[4:25:26] Voice 28: bit more time trustee morrison um you wanted to discuss regional planning and um so just wanted

[4:25:35] Voice 38: to highlight that we're here now just in this transition i just needed a minute the transition

[4:25:40] Voice 38: happened a little too fast for me sorry that's

[4:25:42] Trustee Luckham: fine i should have paused

[4:25:47] Voice 31: so we're in the regional planning section perhaps while we're waiting for the

[4:26:02] Trustee Luckham: trustees laura patrick

[4:26:03] Trustee Luckham: uh chair of uh uh regional planning committee do you have anything you'd like to share with

[4:26:07] Trustee Luckham: us at this time we're in the regional planning section

[4:26:10] Trustee Patrick: we're working really hard

[4:26:12] Trustee Patrick: hard. Our November meeting is going to be busy. We're working on some material that may be ready

[4:26:18] Trustee Patrick: to come to you by December. We're working on that schedule. Hope to do that. But we'll have

[4:26:24] Trustee Patrick: time in December.

[4:26:26] Voice 38: All right. I got it. Excellent.

[4:26:28] Voice 38: Thank you. Can we have 9.1.3 on enforcement,

[4:26:31] Voice 38: the report on enforcement for discussion?

[4:26:35] Trustee Luckham: All right. So if that's the one item to talk about,

[4:26:39] Trustee Luckham: But over to you, Deb, 9.1.3, what do you have for us?

[4:26:42] Voice 38: All right. So I like us to kind of slow down whenever we hit enforcement reports, especially considering our conversations right now around bylaw enforcement and just understanding and thinking about what that means.

[4:26:55] Voice 38: And so I'm wondering if you can just kind of give us, like, the five-minute, ten-minute version of, like, where is enforcement happening and what is it looking like across the islands?

[4:27:11] Voice 38: Like, what are the

[4:27:11] Voice 38: issues that we are hitting across the islands as big themes?

[4:27:16] Voice 38: Because that's going to help us as we start to think about bylaw enforcement and the report that we got earlier in the meeting and understanding how to balance the issues of safe and effective bylaw enforcement with what kinds of enforcement we're actually seeing.

[4:27:34] Voice 18: And I also have a little bit to add to that.

[4:27:36] Voice 18: I noticed in this report that there are a number of BDNs that were cancelled.

[4:27:43] Voice 18: If we can get a little bit of information as to why they were cancelled,

[4:27:46] Voice 18: were they cancelled because they weren't valid or the bylaw had been misinterpreted,

[4:27:51] Voice 18: it would be good to know why these are being cancelled.

[4:28:01] Voice 31: Over to you, Stefan.

[4:28:03] Trustee Luckham: I was just looking to see if Warren Dingman was with us online, but I don't see him there.

[4:28:08] Voice 15: Over to you.

[4:28:09] Voice 15: Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you for the questions.

[4:28:11] Voice 15: I'll do my best. Of course, Warren Dingman is the expert on the management files, and what I can do to you is really point out the graphs that are in the table on page 128 and 129 of your agenda package, and it disseminates enforcement, open application files by type and by location,

[4:28:33] Voice 15: And I think the dominant issues continue to be proactive enforcement against short-term vacation rentals,

[4:28:40] Voice 15: the pursuit of those that are posted online versus what's happening for real on the ground.

[4:28:46] Voice 15: And, of course, several LTCs have stopped or have a policy not to proactively enforce against unpermitted dwelling units.

[4:28:56] Voice 15: So we've seen a pause in that area, despite seeing a blooming of new types of dwellings going up everywhere across the islands.

[4:29:04] Voice 15: I'm sure we can all see those everywhere.

[4:29:08] Voice 15: Otherwise, it tends to be the usual sort of smattering of things, the variance permits, the setbacks, and so on and so forth.

[4:29:14] Voice 15: There has been quite a lot of activity in terms of there's been court movements,

[4:29:19] Voice 15: and you'll get that in a separate report from Mr. Dingman tomorrow.

[4:29:22] Voice 15: leave tomorrow and of course there's been some adjudication courses that uh that have been

[4:29:27] Voice 15: happening um and a mix of um if you follow the adjudication reports you'll find that the

[4:29:33] Voice 15: adjudicators are kind of not really following what they're supposed to adjudicate so um i i know

[4:29:40] Voice 15: that's not giving you quite what you're probably looking for dev and maybe there might be if you

[4:29:44] Voice 15: want a more robust discussion about that i would encourage that with warren when

[4:29:47] Voice 31: it shows up

[4:29:47] Voice 31: tomorrow. Oh, that's mine. Okay, go ahead.

[4:30:02] Voice 38: Yeah, so I guess my conversation around this is not only for the Doctor of Planning Services, but us as the Trust Council, because the conversation around active versus passive enforcement, it's something that I think is actually helpful for us to think about collectively.

[4:30:17] Voice 38: And so I'll give an example. So we have active enforcement on derelict vehicles on North Bender, which is a real problem for us in terms of the groundwater effects because of derelict vehicle decay going on and improper fluids emptying and stuff out of those vehicles.

[4:30:39] Voice 38: but we don't have we have active non-enforcement on things like um rvs and housing because we have

[4:30:46] Voice 38: such a issue with that right now and so i i think it just would be a little bit helpful to understand

[4:30:51] Voice 38: some of that and why people are making those choices to help each other think about why we

[4:30:57] Voice 38: might make choices in our space um and i say this just because often when we're talking about

[4:31:02] Voice 38: enforcement here at this trust council i hear the the worry about appropriate and safe enforcement

[4:31:09] Voice 38: enforcement, there's a flip side to that, which is the worry that the environment is

[4:31:14] Voice 38: not getting protected because we don't have teeth in the bylaws that we have.

[4:31:18] Voice 38: So I just want us to consider both sides of that.

[4:31:25] Voice 31: Thank you.

[4:31:26] Voice 31: Mary?

[4:31:27] Voice 31: Thanks.

[4:31:28] Voice 4: When I go through the statistics, I find the concept of the file versus the tickets.

[4:31:36] Voice 4: So there are files with many tickets.

[4:31:39] Voice 4: I just wonder about the issue, if you are not enforcing other than by complaint,

[4:31:51] Voice 4: when you have a complaint and you go to a location, I would have expected there would be one ticket for that complaint.

[4:32:02] Voice 4: complaint but I hear rumors that sometimes many tickets are raised based on one file visit

[4:32:12] Voice 4: about a number of issues that are seen but I don't really know where this should land but I

[4:32:19] Voice 4: just feel like okay if there is a complaint about something specific then that should be dealt with

[4:32:25] Voice 4: there's a priority and adding in other tickets on the fly because you've been given an excuse

[4:32:33] Voice 4: a reason to go there i just wonder if we could have a conversation about that too please

[4:32:47] Voice 31: and i'll note that kate stanford is next and

[4:32:56] Trustee Luckham: alex allen is after that okay

[4:32:59] Voice 15: i do have a red light so

[4:33:01] Voice 15: i'll go i'll note that trustee evans i'm not sure if i answered your question first i'm just going

[4:33:05] Voice 15: going to skip to uh mary's question and then i'd like to make sure i got yours okay um so to answer

[4:33:11] Voice 15: your question about tickets as you may know from the march trust council meeting you had a really

[4:33:16] Voice 15: robust report about the whole process of violent enforcement and how it's conducted all the

[4:33:20] Voice 15: procedures and what have you which led to your decision to follow up with the ombudsperson's

[4:33:25] Voice 15: report and the uh yesterday's reporting back on on that and of course your decision to do more work

[4:33:31] Voice 15: on enacting those best practices and so you should be aware then that ticketing is uh it's it's

[4:33:37] Voice 15: further down the line of compliance of course we always seek voluntary compliance first and we do

[4:33:42] Voice 15: that through a whole host of different ways ticketing is one of those things that happens

[4:33:47] Voice 15: if we're not getting compliance and so how the many tickets depends on the number of offenses

[4:33:52] Voice 15: quite often you know an offense is not just oh your your shed is 2.9 versus three meters away

[4:33:58] Voice 15: way tends to be a number of things happening and therefore it's used in a bunch of different ways

[4:34:03] Voice 15: and um and so yeah it's a last minute thing and as as well from that march reporting you should

[4:34:10] Voice 15: recall too that the number of tickets issued versus you know the 500 or so applications is

[4:34:15] Voice 15: very small so uh yeah i think that's as far as i can go in terms of numbers but i'd like to sort

[4:34:22] Voice 15: of finish by saying that the ombuds person's report that you've asked us to report back on

[4:34:27] Voice 15: should outline that process much better

[4:34:29] Voice 15: and it should be much clearer for yourselves

[4:34:31] Voice 15: and for the public.

[4:34:33] Voice 15: And so if I have the floor now,

[4:34:35] Voice 15: maybe I can turn to Trustee Evans.

[4:34:37] Voice 15: Thank you.

[4:34:38] Voice 31: To repeat your question.

[4:34:44] Voice 31: We need the microphone on, Christina.

[4:34:48] Voice 18: I wasn't sure if there's other people that were in line.

[4:34:50] Voice 18: I didn't want to mess them up.

[4:34:52] Voice 18: I was just asking,

[4:34:53] Voice 18: I noticed that a number of BVNs had been canceled

[4:34:55] Voice 18: and I was curious as to the reasoning

[4:34:57] Voice 18: for canceling the BVNs.

[4:34:59] Voice 18: Is it because they were invalid?

[4:35:01] Voice 18: valid? Is it because the bylaw was misinterpreted? Is it because compliance was made?

[4:35:09] Voice 15: Thank you. I thought it was about the adjudication process. So when a bylaw,

[4:35:15] Voice 15: when a bylaw, when a BBN is issued, they have the choice of going to an adjudicator,

[4:35:24] Voice 15: and then the adjudicator will decide if the ticket is valid or not. And in those circumstances,

[4:35:30] Voice 15: is that the adjudicators decided that they're not.

[4:35:33] Voice 15: And each one has its own rationale for deciding that.

[4:35:36] Voice 15: So I'd have to review each one in concert.

[4:35:39] Voice 15: I have noticed when reviewing those

[4:35:43] Voice 15: that a number of them have come back

[4:35:45] Voice 15: outside the scope of the adjudicator,

[4:35:47] Voice 15: in my personal opinion,

[4:35:48] Voice 15: that they've been canceling for reasons

[4:35:51] Voice 15: that they're not actually supposed to.

[4:35:53] Voice 15: But that's what they've done and that's their purview.

[4:35:57] Voice 15: So I would say that we have new adjudicators making decisions, and in their opinion, it wasn't valid to issue the ticket.

[4:36:07] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Kate Louise Stanford, and then Alex Allen.

[4:36:10] Voice 28: Thank you. I just want to follow up on the idea of other tickets being issued for a particular bylaw infraction query.

[4:36:21] Voice 28: inquiry. In a real world example would be larger properties where a neighbor knows there's some

[4:36:29] Voice 28: problem, but you don't want to go on the land. So you have one problem that you're concerned about.

[4:36:35] Voice 28: And then the by the officer in looking at that infraction sees a number of other problems and

[4:36:42] Voice 28: specifically around environmental issues. And that's quite a common occurrence, especially on

[4:36:48] Voice 28: my island and so we are really grateful that the other uh issues are brought forward because we

[4:36:55] Voice 28: don't see what the issues are properties are quite large in general so just the response to that but

[4:37:01] Voice 28: i just wondered can i ask a question about the active projects report or can i do that later

[4:37:08] Trustee Luckham: let's do that later because i think alex allen probably has about enforcement question and then

[4:37:13] Trustee Luckham: we'll come back to you

[4:37:15] Voice 20: yeah thank you um i have concerns with uh like we passed on hornby island

[4:37:20] Voice 20: and proactive by-law enforcement on illegal, non-conforming STBRs.

[4:37:26] Voice 20: And yet I find it—I'm hearing way more complaint-driven by-law enforcement

[4:37:30] Voice 20: happening on our island versus STBRs.

[4:37:34] Voice 20: So how is this being prioritized in terms of proactive versus complaint-driven?

[4:37:40] Voice 20: Because I have concerns that people want to—

[4:37:44] Voice 20: our island's really concerned about the STBRs,

[4:37:47] Voice 20: And there's so many illegal ones that we notice by looking on the Internet.

[4:37:50] Voice 20: So how are you prioritizing that?

[4:37:56] Voice 15: That's a great question.

[4:37:58] Voice 15: I think they're both happening in tandem.

[4:38:01] Voice 15: So when someone calls and complains, we have a duty to investigate in a timely manner.

[4:38:05] Voice 15: So that follow-up investigation is happening as in a reasonable time it can.

[4:38:10] Voice 15: So sometimes that will make the appearance that those are getting priority.

[4:38:13] Voice 15: However, there's a staff meeting, an ongoing investigation to all those islands that have that proactive enforcement against short-term vacation rentals.

[4:38:23] Voice 15: And sometimes that just ends up being a monitoring list of new Airbnb, for example, postings and a comparison of those postings to the existing regulations if they post an unlawful comparison.

[4:38:38] Voice 15: For example, you can't use your kitchen or something like that.

[4:38:40] Voice 15: So what happens quite often is people adapt quickly to the methods of enforcement and they don't post in an unlawful manner.

[4:38:49] Voice 15: And then therefore, we don't necessarily catch all the ones that are unpermitted because it's sort of an underground way of advertising and as opposed to knocking on all the doors, which we don't have the resources to do.

[4:39:00] Voice 15: So my answer to you is that the ongoing monitoring is happening, but they may not be catching as many people as you would like.

[4:39:10] Voice 15: meanwhile the phone keeps ringing for us to follow up on other active investigations okay thank you

[4:39:19] Trustee Luckham: let's go back to kate stanford you had a different question topic yes

[4:39:25] Voice 31: um i i've been really looking

[4:39:30] Voice 31: forward to seeing the groundwater mapping and water budget wondering where that's at and when

[4:39:40] Voice 31: i can actually see it thank

[4:39:46] Voice 15: you uh there's an education component coming that the uh freshwater

[4:39:50] Voice 15: water sustainability or the freshwater senior advice oh my gosh i'm messing up titles uh william

[4:39:55] Voice 15: and his co-op students are uh working on and so they'll be coming to bowen island in the northern

[4:40:01] Voice 15: areas to uh educate about the work that they've advanced uh they're they have not received funding

[4:40:07] Voice 15: to do the budget the water budgets though like so they they did the groundwater study but they

[4:40:12] Voice 15: haven't done the budget and so far trust council has not approved a budget to complete that work

[4:40:20] Voice 15: That's a question I'd have to reach out directly to William about, but it should be before

[4:40:23] Voice 15: Christmas, so I was understanding in November.

[4:40:28] Trustee Luckham: Okay, very good. I see a microphone over there,

[4:40:30] Trustee Luckham: maybe Boland?

[4:40:32] Voice 4: I had a similar question actually on the groundwater, because it states that

[4:40:37] Voice 4: the reports were received in March 2023, as far as I can see, and

[4:40:46] Voice 31: tender and the work was

[4:40:48] Voice 31: done in the last year so indeed thanks okay

[4:41:02] Voice 36: well

[4:41:02] Trustee Luckham: we're at our break so what i would like to do at

[4:41:05] Trustee Luckham: this point is um by general consent that the honest trust council will adopt the recommendations as

[4:41:10] Trustee Luckham: presented in items 11.10.11 uh 10.12 and 10.13 and let's go to our break and we'll come back

[4:41:19] Trustee Luckham: uh to section 10.2 discussion and decision items substantially around administrative services and

[4:41:26] Trustee Luckham: finance. So 15 minutes, I think. Let's come back at 3.15. We'll continue

[4:41:31] Voice 31: the conversation. Thanks.

[5:01:53] Voice 31: okay council let us reconvene please so council i'm going to introduce to you

[5:02:12] Voice 31: the amazing julia mobs yeah me so anyway julia thank

[5:02:29] Trustee Luckham: you for joining us today

[5:02:31] Trustee Luckham: and um and and all this work that you've uh brought forward to us here um just want to

[5:02:38] Trustee Luckham: acknowledge the chair of financial planning committee who's absent um and so uh that would

[5:02:46] Trustee Luckham: be joe bernardo and of course the committee members for the work that they've invested in this

[5:02:50] Trustee Luckham: um i'd just like to give julia a quick opportunity just to provide uh uh an update um but the next

[5:02:58] Trustee Luckham: for the first three items are consent agenda items and then there's discussion items that we'll

[5:03:03] Trustee Luckham: obviously get into um but i'll turn it over to julia for a minute and there's the chair of

[5:03:09] Trustee Luckham: financial planning committee joe bernardo over to you julian uh

[5:03:13] Voice 40: thanks chair i have no comments to

[5:03:15] Voice 40: make on the consent agenda items um all necessary information has been reported in those but i'm

[5:03:20] Voice 40: happy to take questions so

[5:03:25] Trustee Luckham: i'll just ask if those three consent agenda items is there any questions

[5:03:29] Trustee Luckham: you would have for either a director or the chair of financial planning committee

[5:03:33] Voice 31: give you a moment

[5:03:43] Voice 31: okay okay

[5:03:47] Trustee Luckham: so not uh seeing anything um so i'm gonna by general consent for the islands trust

[5:03:52] Trustee Luckham: us, Council, adopt the recommendations as presented in items 11.1 to 11.13.

[5:04:09] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see that was carried on from the previous one.

[5:04:13] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, so indeed, items 10.11, 10.12, 10.13.

[5:04:17] Trustee Luckham: So thank you very much, Council.

[5:04:19] Trustee Luckham: So this is going to move us into discussion items.

[5:04:21] Trustee Luckham: And this is the March 31st, 2023 Island Stuffs Auditor Financial Statements and Audit Report,

[5:04:29] Trustee Luckham: again, reviewed by Financial Planning Committee.

[5:04:32] Trustee Luckham: And I think, Director Mobs, you're prepared to answer any questions, if there's any questions.

[5:04:39] Trustee Luckham: Otherwise, I'll turn to the chair of the Financial Planning Committee for a motion.

[5:04:43] Trustee Luckham: Any question?

[5:04:45] Trustee Luckham: Well, just

[5:04:47] Voice 19: by way of background, you know, Director Hobbs will correct me if I'm wrong, but items, all but the last item, I think, can be fairly characterized as housekeeping-type issues.

[5:05:03] Voice 19: is, you know, the audit, getting the audit financial statements together is an important

[5:05:09] Voice 19: thing, but we, as a trust council, don't have a tremendous amount to say once we actually

[5:05:14] Voice 19: have the audit financial statements on hand.

[5:05:18] Voice 19: We just have to formally approve what the auditors have signed off on and their financial

[5:05:22] Voice 19: statements that Director Mobs and her team put together, but, I mean, there's not really

[5:05:27] Voice 19: a lot.

[5:05:29] Voice 19: Apologies.

[5:05:29] Voice 19: I'm sorry.

[5:05:33] Voice 31: Got to turn that off.

[5:05:37] Voice 19: and it's

[5:05:38] Voice 31: very exciting and

[5:05:40] Voice 19: when that rings you know it's important and uh so uh that's just by

[5:05:46] Voice 19: way of background so um i don't have anything else to say in terms of once we get into this

[5:05:52] Voice 19: this issue unless people have questions for and they will be questions for director mobs not for

[5:05:57] Voice 19: me well once we get into these audit financial statements i really think they're just they're

[5:06:03] Voice 19: combination of for information and for approval that's one way of looking at

[5:06:06] Voice 31: it so

[5:06:09] Trustee Luckham: can i ask you

[5:06:10] Trustee Luckham: to make oh there is a question i

[5:06:12] Voice 28: move that trust council approved the islands trust audited

[5:06:15] Voice 28: financial statements for the year ended march 31st 2023.

[5:06:19] Trustee Luckham: you have a seconder uh trustee gabriel thank

[5:06:22] Trustee Luckham: you uh any

[5:06:23] Voice 31: further discussion please raise your hand all in favor and online and then any opposed

[5:06:34] Voice 31: and those online any opposed not

[5:06:39] Trustee Luckham: seeing any opposed that carries get you turn your microphone

[5:06:41] Trustee Luckham: off

[5:06:41] Voice 33: um

[5:06:43] Trustee Luckham: so the next item then 10.22 the march 31st 2023 allocated financial statements uh briefing

[5:06:50] Trustee Luckham: that's there for information are there any questions for either the um

[5:06:54] Voice 36: the chair or uh

[5:06:55] Voice 36: the director i

[5:07:00] Voice 19: think it would be very helpful if director moths just very briefly um you know

[5:07:04] Voice 19: The information is in the agenda.

[5:07:06] Voice 19: People have read it, I'm sure, but sometimes it's a little hard to integrate the information,

[5:07:11] Voice 19: and I think it might be helpful if Director Mobs just provided a very brief explanation on this item

[5:07:16] Voice 19: and also on the second one when it comes up for the next one, when it comes up for decision.

[5:07:21] Trustee Luckham: Director Mobs?

[5:07:24] Voice 40: I'm happy to do that.

[5:07:26] Voice 40: So the allocated financial statements for the year-end of March 31, 2023 are in the agenda package.

[5:07:33] Voice 40: They are not a legislatively required financial statement.

[5:07:36] Voice 40: These are an internally designed and generated financial statement that seeks to allocate out revenues and expenses from the trust into the various local trust areas.

[5:07:48] Voice 40: The statement came about about 20 years ago when local trust committees were a bit concerned with understanding how much revenue was generated and resources used within their own local trust committee and local trust area.

[5:08:00] Voice 40: And so these statements were designed as a way to help inform trustees about that.

[5:08:06] Voice 40: There are certain expenses that are very easy, or revenues and expenses that are very easy to directly attribute to a local trust committee in a local trust area.

[5:08:15] Voice 40: So things like application fee, revenues and property taxes and grant income, very easy to directly allocate those to a local trust area.

[5:08:24] Voice 40: Other revenues and costs are not as easily attributable to local trust areas.

[5:08:29] Voice 40: And so those are allocated out either by staff time or by property value within each local trust area.

[5:08:37] Voice 40: The allocated financial statement is on page 173 of the agenda package.

[5:08:43] Voice 40: So I'm going to

[5:08:43] Voice 40: scroll down there.

[5:08:45] Voice 40: The final line of that page is called net surplus or shortfall.

[5:08:50] Voice 40: So that final line lets us know if a local trust area is a net contributor or a net drawdown on the resources of the Islands Trust Federation.

[5:08:58] Voice 40: consideration. The number there that's in gray, it's $36,000. That number agrees directly to the

[5:09:07] Voice 40: audited financial statements, and that's how we know that we have properly allocated out all of

[5:09:11] Voice 40: the revenues and all of the expenses from the year-end financial statements into these allocated

[5:09:16] Voice 40: statements. I'm happy to take any questions

[5:09:19] Voice 31: on that. That was a very brief summary.

[5:09:24] Voice 31: Any questions?

[5:09:26] Trustee Luckham: Not seeing any, none online. So then we will receive that for information.

[5:09:33] Trustee Luckham: And so the next item then would be 10.2.3, the Statement of Financial Information.

[5:09:38] Trustee Luckham: I'll turn to the Chair of Financial Planning.

[5:09:41] Trustee Luckham: Kedri, how would you like to proceed with this?

[5:09:44] Trustee Luckham: Again, I think it's fair to call

[5:09:45] Voice 19: this as a form of housekeeping, but again, a brief explanatory discussion from Director Mobbs I think is helpful before we

[5:09:55] Voice 31: put it up for vote.

[5:10:00] Voice 40: Okay, so the Statement of Financial Information, this is a legislatively required report.

[5:10:07] Voice 40: It's what we call an associated financial report to the audited financial statements.

[5:10:13] Voice 40: We call it the SOFI, the Statement of Financial Information, seeks to provide more detailed information primarily on the expenses that are included in the audited financial statements.

[5:10:24] Voice 40: The deadline for this report is six months after year end.

[5:10:27] Voice 40: So for the Islands Trust, that's the end of September.

[5:10:29] Voice 40: So we will happily meet that deadline with the approval of these statements today.

[5:10:33] Voice 40: day. The report itself begins on page 176 of the agenda package. The first page is simply an

[5:10:40] Voice 40: approval page. Once Trust Council has approved this statement, we'll apply the chair's signature

[5:10:45] Voice 40: before we send this report on to the minister. The second page in the report simply lets readers

[5:10:52] Voice 40: know that these financial statements have been prepared by management and are not audited.

[5:10:57] Voice 40: So the auditors do not look at the statement of financial information as part of their work.

[5:11:04] Voice 40: the next page of the report lets readers know that the islands trust has no guarantees or

[5:11:09] Voice 40: indemnity agreements or severance agreements with staff who have left the organization so

[5:11:14] Voice 40: that's simply for information and nothing to report the schedule of remuneration and expenses

[5:11:19] Voice 40: for trustees shows payments that are made to trustees for remuneration and for expenses in

[5:11:26] Voice 40: the year so the schedule this year is a bit longer than it usually is is of course last fiscal year

[5:11:32] Voice 40: was an election year so we have both current and former trustees on this schedule the next page

[5:11:39] Voice 40: on the report is the schedule of remuneration and expenses for employees we are required to report

[5:11:46] Voice 40: remuneration for staff who are earning 75 000 or more in the year important to note here is that

[5:11:54] Voice 40: if a staff person starts halfway through the year only half of their annual salary will be reflected

[5:12:00] Voice 40: here because this report is looking at how much was paid to staff, not what their annual base

[5:12:05] Voice 40: salary is. Page 181 of the statement provides a reconciliation of the employee remuneration

[5:12:15] Voice 40: statement to the audited financial statements. So each of these statements is prepared on a

[5:12:20] Voice 40: different basis. The SOFI report is prepared on a cash basis and the audited financial statements

[5:12:25] Voice 40: are prepared on an accrual basis. And so we do have a difference in some of the numbers that

[5:12:29] Voice 40: are provided there and it's a requirement that we talk about why those differences exist and so

[5:12:35] Voice 40: that's what we do page 182 is a schedule of payments to suppliers so any suppliers that are

[5:12:43] Voice 40: paid 25 000 or more in the year by ireland's trust need to be included in this report we also include

[5:12:49] Voice 40: a description of services provided by each of these vendors at the end of this report to help

[5:12:55] Voice 40: trustees understand what type of services we receive for these payments that report is here

[5:13:01] Voice 40: for trustee information it does not form part of the legislative report and will not find its way

[5:13:05] Voice 40: over to the minister and then we have a reconciliation of the payments for goods and

[5:13:14] Voice 40: services to the financial statements the same way that we reconcile the other numerical statements

[5:13:19] Voice 40: to the audited statements and again the primary reason for difference here is the cash basis in

[5:13:24] Voice 40: this report versus the accrual basis in the financial statements and that is it for the sophie

[5:13:35] Voice 36: anybody any questions on the sophie report uh so those with uh lights on their microphones

[5:13:41] Voice 36: i don't know who's got the red one there you go

[5:13:43] Voice 21: grant over to you thank you julia

[5:13:46] Voice 21: thank you for this uh going back to oh just never mind never mind and

[5:13:55] Trustee Luckham: we're on the sophie report

[5:13:58] Trustee Luckham: We're on 10.2.3,

[5:14:00] Voice 21: the SOFI report.

[5:14:01] Voice 21: Well, the one Julia just presented,

[5:14:03] Voice 21: she mentioned the, I'm looking on page 173.

[5:14:08] Voice 21: There's 1.062 million for trust counsel.

[5:14:17] Voice 21: And

[5:14:17] Voice 31: I was just wondering, what does that cover?

[5:14:20] Voice 31: What does that cover?

[5:14:26] Voice 31: Are you with us?

[5:14:27] Voice 31: Oh, so this

[5:14:32] Trustee Luckham: is where the microphone system fails.

[5:14:35] Trustee Luckham: So can you advance?

[5:14:39] Voice 40: there we go

[5:14:40] Voice 36: so

[5:14:41] Voice 40: that is uh that's going back to the allocated financial statements that were just

[5:14:48] Voice 40: looked at so that's not part of the sophie report um i'm happy to answer your question um so that

[5:14:54] Voice 40: is the allocated financial statement that's the section that allocates out expenses incurred by

[5:14:59] Voice 40: various departments within the trust to the various local trust areas so where it says

[5:15:05] Voice 40: allocate trust council the expenses that trust council incurs doing the

[5:15:10] Voice 40: work of like their work

[5:15:11] Voice 40: for the region are allocated out to the various local trust areas based on property value

[5:15:16] Voice 40: assessments and it totals 1.06 million for the year

[5:15:23] Voice 36: okay

[5:15:24] Voice 31: so i'm gonna did that answer the question

[5:15:28] Voice 31: so that

[5:15:39] Voice 21: that would cover like all these meetings that involves us it would cover your salary

[5:15:44] Voice 21: and the staff come into these meetings presumably yeah so

[5:15:53] Voice 31: okay so let's go back

[5:16:20] Trustee Luckham: to um 10.2.3 which

[5:16:22] Trustee Luckham: is the sophie report are there any questions on the sophie report i see um deb morrison all right

[5:16:30] Voice 38: um so if we see something in the sophie report that's allocated to us in terms of expenses but

[5:16:35] Voice 38: we don't understand it what is the best route to figure that um like is that an email to you

[5:16:41] Voice 38: or to nancy or um how do we verify what that amount was

[5:16:47] Voice 32: we

[5:16:52] Voice 31: can let you know what's included

[5:16:53] Voice 31: in that amount um

[5:17:02] Voice 4: thanks uh the supplier's names and the amounts and for the large amounts

[5:17:08] Voice 4: um it would be really helpful if there could be a note as to what the service is so for instance

[5:17:15] Voice 4: Colliers, Macaulay, Nichols. I can Google them, but 300,000, I'd be curious to know.

[5:17:22] Trustee Luckham: Pardon? It's on the next page of the report. Is it? Yes.

[5:17:25] Voice 4: I apologize.

[5:17:26] Trustee Luckham: That's all right.

[5:17:29] Trustee Luckham: Any other questions on the SOFI report?

[5:17:32] Voice 5: I would just like to highlight that page 179,

[5:17:35] Voice 5: the schedule of remuneration and expenses for trustees, that we really need to re-look at

[5:17:43] Voice 5: the level of remuneration I'm making the

[5:17:51] Voice 5: priestly sum of 1600 I'm I except for the

[5:17:55] Voice 5: provincial appointees I get to be the lowest paid so thank

[5:18:00] Trustee Luckham: you very much for

[5:18:03] Trustee Luckham: your service

[5:18:04] Voice 31: yeah I

[5:18:07] Trustee Luckham: think we'll consider that in another form can I all right can

[5:18:14] Trustee Luckham: Can I turn to the chair to make a motion?

[5:18:17] Trustee Luckham: But anyway,

[5:18:18] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Kate Stamford on the SOFI report.

[5:18:21] Voice 28: I would just like to remind the chair of the governance report that we put trustee remuneration at low priority, et cetera, et cetera.

[5:18:30] Voice 28: So thank you.

[5:18:33] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[5:18:37] Voice 19: Back to the chair of financial planning committee.

[5:18:39] Voice 19: Motion.

[5:18:40] Voice 19: Before I make the motion, I'd like to point out that a certain amount of research and effort is starting to move in that direction.

[5:18:51] Voice 19: So, bide your time.

[5:18:54] Voice 19: So, I move that the Statement of Financial Information for 2022 and 2023 be approved.

[5:19:09] Trustee Luckham: Okay, moved.

[5:19:10] Trustee Luckham: Do we have a seconder?

[5:19:12] Trustee Luckham: Sam Borswick.

[5:19:13] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Sam.

[5:19:14] Voice 31: any further discussion all those in favor any opposed and I see is that in

[5:19:24] Voice 31: favor Ken hunter or you opposed I'm in favor thank

[5:19:32] Trustee Luckham: you very much Ken you can

[5:19:34] Trustee Luckham: lower your hand okay so the final item on this agenda more complex for sure

[5:19:40] Trustee Luckham: ten point two point four draft budget assumptions principles and guidelines

[5:19:45] Trustee Luckham: request for decision I'll go back to the chair and you have one direct that to

[5:19:50] Trustee Luckham: the

[5:19:50] Voice 19: Administrator? Once again, I'm really in the position of just introducing

[5:19:54] Voice 19: Director Mobbs, who's actually going to speak intelligibly about this.

[5:19:58] Voice 19: Of all the items that are before you today

[5:20:02] Voice 19: from financial planning, this is

[5:20:05] Voice 19: the one that really should engage your interest the most.

[5:20:10] Voice 19: It's pretty important. The committee

[5:20:14] Voice 19: had a fair bit of discussion about whether or not the existing

[5:20:18] Voice 19: budget assumptions, the principles that go into basically assumptions and principles that go into

[5:20:26] Voice 19: drafting the budget, whether they're suitable, whether they're comprehensive, whether they

[5:20:35] Voice 19: actually meet our needs. And we've made some adjustments to them. And that's what we're

[5:20:39] Voice 19: going to be asking you to approve is that there's going to be some changes to those assumptions.

[5:20:42] Voice 19: And some are anticipated, at least in part, the transition to corporate planning.

[5:20:51] Voice 19: There will be more changes in the future, no doubt, but these are some preliminary ones.

[5:20:56] Voice 19: And I'm going to turn it over to Director Mobbs to actually explain them because she understands them.

[5:21:06] Voice 40: Over to me. Great. Thank you.

[5:21:09] Voice 40: you. So Council has a policy around the budget process that dictates that the budget assumptions

[5:21:15] Voice 40: and principles will be reviewed by Trust Council in December each year. However, we've made it

[5:21:21] Voice 40: practice to bring the assumptions and principles to Trust Council in September, as of course it

[5:21:26] Voice 40: makes a lot more sense for Council to be looking at these things in advance of the first draft of

[5:21:30] Voice 40: the budget being prepared, as opposed to only looking at them partway through the budget cycle.

[5:21:35] Voice 40: So as the chair of FPC mentioned, FPC has reviewed these assumptions and principles and has agreed that they make sense for the upcoming fiscal year.

[5:21:46] Voice 40: However, ultimately, the budget belongs to Trust Council.

[5:21:50] Voice 40: And so Trust Council needs to also review the budget assumptions and principles and make sure that they also agree with the planned approach to the upcoming budget draft.

[5:21:58] Voice 40: So that's what we're going to do today.

[5:21:59] Voice 40: day. One of the things that came up with FPC during their review was the idea of incorporating

[5:22:06] Voice 40: budget guidelines into this initial work, in addition to budget assumptions and principles.

[5:22:11] Voice 40: So budget guidelines is a concept that the corporate planning group has been discussing

[5:22:16] Voice 40: as part of the revised corporate planning process. Budget outcomes primarily speak to,

[5:22:21] Voice 40: or sorry, budget guidelines primarily speak to budget outcomes or budget results, whereas budget

[5:22:28] Voice 40: assumptions and principles primarily look at budget inputs so FPC did pass a

[5:22:34] Voice 40: resolution requesting that Trust Council consider providing budget guidelines

[5:22:38] Voice 40: this year earlier rather than later so once we've reviewed the assumptions and

[5:22:43] Voice 40: principles that are in the agenda today we'll make some space to discuss that

[5:22:47] Voice 40: concept so if there's no questions around what we're doing today I'll just

[5:22:51] Voice 40: go ahead and walk us through the material thing nods around the table

[5:22:56] Voice 40: Excellent. Okay, the table summarizing planned budget assumptions and principles starts on page 187 of the Agenda Package.

[5:23:03] Voice 40: We start with a look at our planned revenue sources.

[5:23:06] Voice 40: Application fees is a product of estimated application volumes, which is based on historical volume trends, multiplied by application fees.

[5:23:17] Voice 40: So the application fees come from local trust committee fee bylaws, almost all of which have an automatic 2% fee lift in them to partially account for inflation.

[5:23:28] Voice 40: And so we'll be including that 2% lift in our calculation and estimate of application fees.

[5:23:35] Voice 40: Item number two looks to provincial grant funding.

[5:23:37] Voice 40: We do assume that once again, we'll receive operational funding from the province to the tune of our historical levels, which is generally $180,000.

[5:23:46] Voice 40: We also have a number of approved grants with planned spending next fiscal, which will also be incorporated into the budget, which includes the Local Government Climate Action Grant, First Nations Engagement Grant funding, and funds awarded to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee under the Complete Communities Grant.

[5:24:03] Voice 40: Grant. The Islands Trust Conservancy has a signed agreement with Environment and Climate Change

[5:24:09] Voice 40: Canada to continue the work of their species at risk programming. So we're assuming that the

[5:24:15] Voice 40: amount in that agreement will be received and spent as planned. That's $220,000 that we'll be

[5:24:20] Voice 40: incorporating into next year's budget. Item number five talks about property taxes. So we make the

[5:24:28] Voice 40: assumption that property taxes will once again be the primary revenue source to support the

[5:24:32] Voice 40: operations of Islands Trust. Item number six talks about growth in property tax base due to

[5:24:39] Voice 40: non-market change within the trust area. So we do assume that the property tax base in the trust

[5:24:44] Voice 40: area will grow slightly as a result of new construction and development. That's something

[5:24:48] Voice 40: that we do see annually. I'm expecting that the growth attributed to non-market change

[5:24:54] Voice 40: in the coming fiscal year will be smaller than what we've seen in the last two fiscal years.

[5:24:59] Voice 40: years. Traditionally, historically, in the Islands Trust, it's been around 1% to 2%.

[5:25:04] Voice 40: We did see a significant lift in that as a result of all of the development activity

[5:25:08] Voice 40: that happened in the pandemic. I'm now expecting that to come back down to more normal levels.

[5:25:14] Voice 40: At this juncture, we don't have any requests from local trust committees for a special

[5:25:19] Voice 40: property tax requisition, but if we do receive those in the budget cycle, we will incorporate

[5:25:23] Voice 40: them. The Bowen Island property tax requisition

[5:25:29] Voice 40: continues to be calculated based on Trust Council policy. We don't expect any changes to that

[5:25:35] Voice 40: policy during the budget cycle, and so we'll be applying it as written. In the area of investment

[5:25:41] Voice 40: income, we continue to see high interest rates out there, and so we are expecting those to

[5:25:47] Voice 40: continue somewhat. We're looking at rolling that into our investment fee income. We will be

[5:25:52] Voice 40: continuing to monitor those as we move through the budget cycle to make sure that we're capturing

[5:25:57] Voice 40: something that is most likely to reflect reality and be achievable. Item number 10 called other

[5:26:04] Voice 40: grant funding or contingent grant funding. This is simply a line that we leave in the budget to

[5:26:08] Voice 40: acknowledge that throughout the year we may receive grants that are awarded to us that were

[5:26:13] Voice 40: not contemplated during the time of the budget draft. So this simply gives us a place where we

[5:26:18] Voice 40: can record that grant revenue and related expenses. Item number 11 speaks to inflation. So

[5:26:25] Voice 40: So inflation is still on the rise, and we are expecting to see a lift in the cost of our goods and services to do our work at the Islands Trust.

[5:26:33] Voice 40: And so we'll be incorporating inflationary factors throughout the budget cycle.

[5:26:38] Voice 40: Item number 12 looks at staffing levels.

[5:26:40] Voice 40: The current assumption around staffing is that existing staffing levels will be maintained with any requests for new staff coming forward for approval via business case.

[5:26:51] Voice 40: I should note that this assumptions document indicates a business case will be coming forward for planned co-op students.

[5:26:59] Voice 40: However, the CAO has made the call to exclude business cases for the co-op students this year.

[5:27:05] Voice 40: But we are still expecting to see business cases for new full-time staff, mainly for a potential new GIS resource and a potential new resource for the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[5:27:16] Voice 40: And I'll just say I'm happy to take questions as I walk through, if there are any.

[5:27:26] Voice 40: Item number 13, staff salaries and benefits.

[5:27:30] Voice 40: So the staff salaries and benefit levels continue to be at the mercy of provincial union agreements and the public service agency.

[5:27:38] Voice 40: And so we'll be respecting those in our budget draft.

[5:27:42] Voice 40: Item 14, trustee remuneration.

[5:27:44] Voice 40: That's guided by trust council policy.

[5:27:46] Voice 40: As yet, there's no change in that policy.

[5:27:48] Voice 40: policy so unfortunately for Trustee Getty we will be applying it as written. Item number 15 talks

[5:27:56] Voice 40: about our office facilities so we are assuming that we will retain office locations in Victoria

[5:28:01] Voice 40: on Gabriola Island and on Salt Spring Island. One important thing to note however is that the lease

[5:28:08] Voice 40: for our office space on Salt Spring Island is coming to an end in July of 2024 and our landlord

[5:28:14] Voice 40: is taking back that space so they are growing they need the space for themselves and so we are being

[5:28:19] Voice 40: forced to find a new location. So management has been meeting and we're working out the logistics

[5:28:24] Voice 40: of that potential office move or that required office move. And as information becomes readily

[5:28:31] Voice 40: available, we'll be costing out, you know, a budget for that move, which will include the

[5:28:37] Voice 40: move itself and potentially costs to retrofit any space that we might land in. Number 16 talks to

[5:28:46] Voice 40: planning services and local trust committee projects. We do expect that local trust committee

[5:28:50] Voice 40: project requests with an estimated price tag greater than five thousand dollars will come

[5:28:55] Voice 40: forward as usual with a business case and that any smaller projects will continue to be funded

[5:29:01] Voice 40: from the local trust committee project specific reserve fund and allocated out throughout the year

[5:29:05] Voice 40: number 17 speaks to planner resource allocation so this is the responsibility of the planning

[5:29:14] Voice 40: director of course and will continue to be addressed in accordance with already established

[5:29:19] Voice 40: trust council policies on priority setting all of which are noted in the report in june trust

[5:29:26] Voice 40: council did endorse pieces of the existing strategic plan we do assume that these projects

[5:29:32] Voice 40: that are underway will be seen through to completion and may require some funding

[5:29:37] Voice 40: and so we'll be seeing some business cases come forward for those activities

[5:29:42] Voice 40: we hope for and plan for no by elections in next year but if we're off base there please speak up

[5:29:48] Voice 40: up now, and we'll add some funds into the budget. Item number 20 and 2021, speak to

[5:29:55] Voice 40: reconciliation with First Nations and community engagement. These are two

[5:30:00] Voice 40: principles that Financial Planning Committee wanted to highlight in this document, and

[5:30:04] Voice 40: they've requested that all funding requests coming for this budget cycle consider these

[5:30:09] Voice 40: two factors. So these two things were actually added in the last year's budget cycle. Financial

[5:30:15] Voice 40: Planning Committee has chosen to keep those in. When we move into the area of surplus,

[5:30:23] Voice 40: we have item number 20 again, because I forgot that account when I was writing this report.

[5:30:28] Voice 40: report. So item number 20, general surplus. We do expect that we'll be using some of our general

[5:30:35] Voice 40: surplus fund to reduce the tax burden in next fiscal year. We do have a small buffer in that

[5:30:40] Voice 40: surplus fund that we can draw on. And that calculation is revisited throughout the budget

[5:30:45] Voice 40: cycle based on current year financial performance. But we do expect that we'll be reducing the tax

[5:30:50] Voice 40: burden somewhat with a draw from surplus. The local trust committee specific reserve fund

[5:30:56] Voice 40: continues to be in use also to fund ltc projects and it's unknown at this time if there will be a

[5:31:02] Voice 40: request from the salt spring island local trust committee to spend uh any funds from their surplus

[5:31:07] Voice 40: fund i see uh trustee morrison's hand is raised thank

[5:31:13] Voice 38: you um so if i can just for a second commend

[5:31:16] Voice 38: the financial planning committee on items 20 the first time and 21 um because these are pieces that

[5:31:24] Voice 38: we have historically put a separate items in the budget and then never get really understood very

[5:31:30] Voice 38: well and then don't get funded in any significant way and so do you have guidance or are you

[5:31:37] Voice 38: providing guidance to staff or is the financial planning committee providing guidance to staff

[5:31:41] Voice 38: about like how much that might be and what kinds of things constitute First Nations reconciliation

[5:31:47] Voice 38: reconciliation and or community communications and engagement items in each project?

[5:31:54] Voice 40: So I think it would really fall to the project manager or the director of whatever project is

[5:32:01] Voice 40: being brought forward to be having those conversations. What we are indicating,

[5:32:06] Voice 40: what financial planning committees indicated is that it needs to be considered, it needs to be

[5:32:10] Voice 40: brought forward, it needs to be costed out for every business case that is coming to the table.

[5:32:15] Voice 40: you know looking at how to cost out engagement on a planning project might be different to costing

[5:32:22] Voice 40: out engagement on a trust area services project so i think the directors of those teams will need

[5:32:27] Voice 40: to be working with their staff to figure those out individually yeah

[5:32:36] Voice 20: sorry i thought i had to

[5:32:38] Voice 20: wait till the end when you went through everything so i wanted to talk about the item 12 staffing

[5:32:43] Voice 20: just out so all the vacancies are filled will we still have a

[5:32:47] Voice 31: staffing capacity issue

[5:32:52] Voice 43: so

[5:32:55] Voice 40: your question was if all of the staff positions are filled for the whole year will we still have

[5:33:01] Voice 40: a staff capacity issue it depends a little bit on how much work we're given as it stands right now

[5:33:11] Voice 40: i would say yes to

[5:33:16] Voice 19: clarify um i mean it's a fair enough question but this is not

[5:33:24] Voice 19: this discussion nothing is capable of coming out of this discussion is going to change

[5:33:29] Voice 19: you know um staffing levels or it this isn't about an examination of capacity uh as a principle it's

[5:33:39] Voice 19: it's it's talking about the assumptions about staffing that are going to go into the budgeting

[5:33:43] Voice 19: and I just wanted to follow up on Trustee Morrison's question the costing of First

[5:33:54] Voice 19: Nation engagement and First Nation consultation and all of those aspects the emphasis that we're

[5:34:02] Voice 19: putting on that is of a piece with the larger emphasis that we're putting and will continue

[5:34:07] Voice 19: to put on business cases being as full as possible all the costs of a project needing

[5:34:15] Voice 19: and we anticipate with the corporate planning aspect all costs of a project being

[5:34:19] Voice 19: calculated and considered before approval for the whole life of the project just not not on

[5:34:25] Voice 19: an annual basis so that it that's a component of that and i would just ask as director mobs has

[5:34:33] Voice 19: been going through all of this my recollection is that there were a few tweaks to some of these

[5:34:37] Voice 19: assumptions that we had made at that last meeting and if after you've finished your general review

[5:34:42] Voice 19: if you're able to identify um some of those tweaks for example uh one of the things we talked about

[5:34:47] Voice 19: was consolidating uh similar work in ocps to try to find efficiencies there that kind of thing

[5:34:54] Voice 31: thank you oh you want me to remember all of the changes that were made

[5:35:15] Voice 40: well i don't remember them all either um i do remember the two uh you know the first

[5:35:20] Voice 40: nations engagement uh community communications and engagement um and as you mentioned um a desire

[5:35:26] Voice 40: to look at local trust committee projects uh together to see if there's efficiencies that

[5:35:30] Voice 40: can be generated um in consolidating uh some of those uh projects potentially or working them in

[5:35:37] Voice 40: parallel um i don't truly remember some of the other changes that were made um related to that

[5:35:45] Voice 40: i'd look to some of my colleagues who were also at the fpc meeting we're

[5:35:50] Voice 31: all shaking our heads

[5:36:00] Trustee Luckham: thank you and then that's mary

[5:36:03] Voice 4: minor minor and minor minor and maybe i'm making a mistake but

[5:36:08] Voice 4: but is the numbering repeated at the bottom

[5:36:11] Voice 4: or am I missing something?

[5:36:14] Voice 4: It seems to go 2021 and then 2021, 22, I don't know.

[5:36:20] Voice 40: Yes, it does.

[5:36:21] Voice 40: And so it originally ended at 19.

[5:36:24] Voice 40: Financial Planning Committee added in number 20 and 21

[5:36:28] Voice 40: and I didn't renumber everything that came after.

[5:36:31] Voice 40: I promise I'll learn to count

[5:36:32] Voice 40: before I put the budget together.

[5:36:34] Voice 40: Things will be fine.

[5:36:41] Voice 31: Okay.

[5:36:45] Voice 36: Are we ready to advance a motion on this?

[5:36:52] Voice 21: Yes.

[5:36:53] Voice 21: Over here. Grant Scott.

[5:36:56] Voice 21: I move that the Trust Council approve the 2024-25 Budget Assumptions Principles BAP and Guidelines.

[5:37:05] Voice 21: Do

[5:37:06] Trustee Luckham: I have a seconder? Trustee Elliott, thank you.

[5:37:08] Trustee Luckham: Any further discussion? All those in favor?

[5:37:14] Trustee Luckham: online raise your hands okay lower your hands please any opposed and online any opposed

[5:37:23] Trustee Luckham: that carries thank you very much uh council for this work and thank you to

[5:37:27] Trustee Luckham: staff and the financial planning committee for a real fulsome conversation on that item

[5:37:33] Voice 19: pardon me we're not concluded oh uh director mobs still as she had introduced this item before

[5:37:40] Voice 19: she has a related explanation that trust council needs about

[5:37:46] Voice 19: guidelines, budget guidelines that FPC has talked about.

[5:37:53] Voice 36: Okay. You're prepared for that, Julia?

[5:37:57] Voice 36: Certainly.

[5:37:58] Voice 40: So, as I mentioned, the corporate planning group has been talking about the

[5:38:04] Voice 40: concept of budget guidelines during their work. This concept was also discussed with

[5:38:09] Voice 40: the Financial Planning Committee when they were reviewing the budget assumptions and principles.

[5:38:12] Voice 40: The Financial Planning Committee did pass a resolution requesting that Trust Council

[5:38:17] Voice 40: set budget guidelines for this upcoming fiscal year earlier rather than later which would be now

[5:38:23] Voice 40: to provide some guidelines that financial planning committee and staff can look to throughout the

[5:38:28] Voice 40: budget development cycle so assumptions and principles as i see it are primarily inputs

[5:38:35] Voice 40: into the budget budget guidelines speak to a desired budgetary outcome so we did look at the

[5:38:42] Voice 40: district of Saanich to see what some of their budget guidelines are to provide examples for

[5:38:47] Voice 40: trust council as we understand this might be the first time that council is setting budget guidelines

[5:38:51] Voice 40: so at the bottom of page 185 there's a few examples from Saanich's budget guidelines

[5:38:57] Voice 40: it speaks to things like limiting spending increases so the first example is to have a

[5:39:04] Voice 40: net departmental budget totals limited to a zero percent increase exclusive of existing personnel

[5:39:10] Voice 40: personnel costs, core capital costs and non-discretionary increases.

[5:39:14] Voice 40: You can also set guidelines around where funding should be prioritized towards certain activities.

[5:39:21] Voice 40: There's also provisions to be made for corporate information technology replacements.

[5:39:28] Voice 40: That's something that was a guideline that Saanich felt should go forward.

[5:39:32] Voice 40: They also had a guideline to consider resourcing needs that would further implementation of the climate action plan,

[5:39:39] Voice 40: plan the long-term staffing plan and the strategic plan so those are some examples of things that are

[5:39:46] Voice 40: considered guidelines with the District of Saanich if Trust Council would like to provide guidelines

[5:39:51] Voice 40: in addition to the assumptions and principles that we've reviewed today now would be the time

[5:39:56] Voice 40: to do that and staff and FPC would receive that information and use it as the budget is drafted

[5:40:02] Voice 31: any questions by

[5:40:11] Voice 19: way of further explanation the purpose of raising this discussion about or

[5:40:15] Voice 19: or commentary about guidelines is really to sensitize you all to the idea

[5:40:21] Voice 19: that having guidelines is probably pretty good.

[5:40:25] Voice 19: And maybe I should put, you know, not all of you are on the FPC,

[5:40:29] Voice 19: but if you have a mind and are concerned about this type of, you know,

[5:40:36] Voice 19: getting on to fiscal discipline and budgetary concerns

[5:40:38] Voice 19: and thinking about outcomes that we want out of our budgetary process,

[5:40:46] Voice 19: You can be sure that FPC and also the Corporate Planning Group will probably be coming back to you with some proposed guidelines.

[5:40:54] Voice 19: As we develop them, we don't have them on the table now to give them to you to consider.

[5:41:00] Voice 19: But it's also open to you to apply yourselves to thinking about what kind of guidelines you'd like to see that help shape the budget.

[5:41:09] Voice 19: But we don't have any to offer for you for resolution today.

[5:41:12] Voice 19: day. But you can anticipate that we're probably going to be, this is a work in progress, we're

[5:41:18] Voice 19: probably going to be developing some of those ourselves to bring to you at a later time

[5:41:21] Voice 19: that will inform the budget. But that's not just because FPC and corporate planning is doing it,

[5:41:27] Voice 19: that's not a closed book. When that discussion happens, it's going to be open to all of you

[5:41:32] Voice 19: to contribute to it.

[5:41:37] Voice 31: Thank you, Joe. Deb Morrison.

[5:41:41] Voice 38: So thank you for that. I think I

[5:41:43] Voice 38: I need a tiny bit more words around the difference between the assumptions and the

[5:41:48] Voice 38: guidelines, just to be really clear. So, because I think the guidelines is bumpers,

[5:41:55] Voice 38: from what you just said, it sounds to me like the guidelines are bumpers, so that as we start to

[5:42:03] Voice 38: negotiate back and forth on different aspects of the budget, that these are things that are

[5:42:08] Voice 38: are bounding the overall budget at the edges of it because I think that was definitely a problem

[5:42:15] Voice 38: for me last year when we're starting to like nitpick one little item here and there and people

[5:42:19] Voice 38: are like oh we can just go over I'm like no like my assumption is that we're going to keep inside

[5:42:23] Voice 38: this bumper and so I guess I just want to be clear that that's what we're saying there's these

[5:42:28] Voice 38: assumptions internally about how we're generating a budget but then there's also a boundary

[5:42:33] Voice 38: boundary potentially that the guidelines can define around the edges of the budget?

[5:42:55] Voice 40: Yeah, I do think that's a reasonable way to think about it. You know, the assumptions and

[5:43:02] Voice 40: principles, they can waft into the guidelines a little bit. There can be a bit of overlap.

[5:43:06] Voice 40: My way of thinking about it is primarily that an assumption is something that's driving an

[5:43:11] Voice 40: input into the budget. The guideline is what do we want this thing to look like at the end of the

[5:43:16] Voice 40: the day do we want to see a 50 tax increase or do we want to see spending increases limited to

[5:43:23] Voice 40: inflation or maybe we want to see spending increases in this area but not in this area

[5:43:29] Voice 40: so those are the types of things that can help provide the guideposts as you say and then when

[5:43:35] Voice 40: financial planning committee is doing their work of putting the recommended budget together

[5:43:38] Voice 40: they know sort of the field that

[5:43:41] Voice 31: they're playing in somebody else there

[5:43:50] Voice 36: you go yeah

[5:43:50] Voice 31: Yeah. So thanks

[5:43:53] Voice 28: for expanding on that.

[5:43:54] Voice 28: So, for instance, if we're seeing a chronic issue that's affecting us operationally, like the lack of capacity to integrate information into our mapping technology or the mapping technology is not sufficient to do the layers that, you know, planning services and conservancy is asking for,

[5:44:12] Voice 28: then that's an outcome that we want to see that we could build in as a guideline for just the

[5:44:19] Voice 28: next fiscal or is that like the forecast for the next five years like how does that get structured

[5:44:28] Voice 40: generally these would be guidelines for the upcoming fiscal year um you know when we get

[5:44:34] Voice 40: into the corporate plan and that's rolled out that has a bit more of a long-term view

[5:44:38] Voice 40: and maybe there'd be guidelines that could extend beyond but in this instance it would be more for

[5:44:43] Voice 40: next fiscal year. So, you know, if you want that to be prioritized, that could be a guideline that's

[5:44:49] Voice 40: given.

[5:44:55] Voice 28: I'm really hoping that when I look at the guideline around a zero percent increase,

[5:45:00] Voice 28: we keep hitting that one for about three years now. It tends to get to a little bit of a scrabble

[5:45:09] Voice 28: at the end when we realize that really important projects are getting thrown under the bus

[5:45:16] Voice 28: because of that zero so i'm hoping that we can give us a little bit of wriggle room which

[5:45:22] Voice 28: actually in the end will provide an opportunity for more strategic um long-term view rather than

[5:45:30] Voice 28: always focusing focusing on that zero doesn't have to be big but i just want a bit of

[5:45:35] Voice 28: wriggle room on actual program growth in the areas that we find important

[5:45:41] Voice 28: to

[5:45:42] Voice 19: be clear uh nobody's proposed that as a guideline a zero baseline uh that was just

[5:45:49] Voice 19: referenced in here because a different local government it's just as an example

[5:45:55] Voice 19: but nobody's proposing that and i would anticipate a zero a genuine zero proposal is probably already

[5:46:02] Voice 19: dead in the water given the reality you've already heard director talk about inflationary issues so

[5:46:08] Voice 19: So fair enough comment, but rest assured, we actually haven't got any guidelines firmly developed yet.

[5:46:18] Voice 5: Do you need a motion to follow up on this August 23 meeting that

[5:46:26] Voice 31: asked council to consider creating guidelines?

[5:46:36] Voice 31: Of the FPC.

[5:46:40] Voice 31: Okay.

[5:46:40] Voice 31: So does

[5:46:40] Voice 36: that – oh, C.A.O.

[5:46:43] Voice 36: Hotchempiller.

[5:46:45] Voice 17: Just behind Trustee Allen here.

[5:46:47] Voice 17: Yeah.

[5:46:47] Voice 17: Yeah. One thing I point out to council that there's a driver of this budget, and it's technology.

[5:46:55] Voice 17: And so every budget has a theme, and the reporting that's going to come forward will have some technology associated with it, period.

[5:47:07] Voice 17: Outside of our control.

[5:47:09] Voice 17: Everything is inside your control in many ways, but there's a nuance to the technology piece.

[5:47:18] Voice 17: We're enjoying some today and how we function.

[5:47:22] Voice 17: We haven't really leaned heavily into that budget over the last number of years.

[5:47:27] Voice 17: So there's going to be rationales provided for a lift in technology, which we will do our best to articulate to FPC as we move to March 31st.

[5:47:40] Voice 36: Thank you, CAO.

[5:47:42] Voice 36: So,

[5:47:42] Trustee Luckham: oh, there's still more.

[5:47:44] Trustee Luckham: Okay, go ahead.

[5:47:45] Voice 38: Sorry, I have one more question about this.

[5:47:46] Voice 38: this is an area that matters a lot to me because it's something I've been diving into for the last

[5:47:52] Voice 38: four years. So I guess, and I don't know if this is a guideline, I think it is, but one of the

[5:47:57] Voice 38: things I would love to see as the financial planning committee considers this work is,

[5:48:03] Voice 38: and I think you are doing it in your corporate planning process from what I can see,

[5:48:06] Voice 38: but it's a lot easier for us if we have a way to communicate what the roles of staff or what the

[5:48:16] Voice 38: the black box aspects to the budget are like what what that what folks are doing because when we see

[5:48:24] Voice 38: like what was it last year um i want to say it was five million three to five million then

[5:48:29] Voice 38: different aspects of planning services budget and we don't understand we can't communicate clearly

[5:48:35] Voice 38: um where that money is going or how it's hitting the ground that's where we get into trouble in

[5:48:42] Voice 38: our communities when the budget comes out and so i think from a guideline perspective i think this

[5:48:47] Voice 38: is a guideline from a guideline perspective one of the things i would like is just like clarity

[5:48:53] Voice 38: and transparency around the um different aspects of the budgets for communication purposes

[5:49:07] Voice 19: that's not really a guideline at least and i stand to be corrected by

[5:49:11] Voice 19: by somebody who actually knows the topic over there.

[5:49:16] Voice 19: But the guideline and the assumptions and principles

[5:49:22] Voice 19: are all about the reasoning that goes into shaping the budget.

[5:49:27] Voice 19: You're talking about how we communicate the budget

[5:49:29] Voice 19: to ourselves and to the public.

[5:49:32] Voice 19: That's a different issue.

[5:49:33] Voice 19: It's a legitimate concern.

[5:49:35] Voice 19: This stuff is typically opaque to most people.

[5:49:39] Voice 19: And the very point that you brought up,

[5:49:41] Voice 19: that you've got a group within the trust that's spending a ton of money and it looks like just

[5:49:48] Voice 19: kind of a black box. You don't know what's really happening to it. If you have the right training or

[5:49:54] Voice 19: background, you might be able to go through the financial statements and puzzle it out.

[5:49:57] Voice 19: That's asking a lot for average people. And what I'm hearing you ask is, in addition to everything

[5:50:02] Voice 19: else that we've been doing within the budgetary process, we need to communicate it better

[5:50:06] Voice 19: in a more user-friendly way.

[5:50:09] Voice 19: And what you're asking for is a way of explaining to the public

[5:50:15] Voice 19: in a way that's digestible, where does the money go, right?

[5:50:20] Voice 19: I'm sure director Mobs will be able to turn something

[5:50:22] Voice 31: into plain language for us in that long of those lines.

[5:50:31] Voice 4: I'm just looking at the second example

[5:50:33] Voice 4: and thinking about the budget and the agonies to come.

[5:50:40] Voice 4: I look at the fact that I like this second example, which is the fact that upfront investment will result in longer term savings.

[5:50:52] Voice 4: And I can acknowledge that there are certain things in the trust software mapping systems, the city view thing.

[5:51:00] Voice 4: like maybe like if somebody made a really strong business case for something that would ultimately

[5:51:06] Voice 4: make us more efficient and ultimately save money and save even staff positions i could kind of get

[5:51:15] Voice 4: behind that but at the moment we just incrementally increase but i also wonder whether something like

[5:51:23] Voice 4: that in the same way as city view attracted funding you could go to the province and ask for

[5:51:30] Voice 4: funding for something very specific like a big change everything project make us more efficient

[5:51:38] Voice 4: give us the tools we need instead of doing piecemeal uh things so i just throw it out there

[5:51:45] Voice 4: that if i look at increases to the budget the things that would resonate would i get a better

[5:51:51] Voice 4: word with me would be things that could um articulate a longer term increase in efficiency

[5:51:59] Voice 4: and reduction in costs thanks

[5:52:02] Voice 43: okay

[5:52:09] Voice 31: so are we um i'm

[5:52:12] Trustee Luckham: here i think that concludes that section

[5:52:13] Trustee Luckham: so we're now going to move into trust area services um sorry that and that's on page um

[5:52:23] Trustee Luckham: 195 of your agenda.

[5:52:25] Trustee Luckham: So the first one, two, three.

[5:52:28] Trustee Luckham: Sorry.

[5:52:30] Voice 10: This is somewhat, I apologize to cut you off midstream.

[5:52:35] Voice 10: This is very quick.

[5:52:37] Voice 10: I just want, I know that we've had been struggling with microphones and et cetera, but I wanted

[5:52:43] Voice 10: to just recognize that Daphne pulled off an extremely masterful transfer of the microphones

[5:52:48] Voice 10: that I don't think anybody noticed, which is the point.

[5:52:50] Voice 10: but I just want to recognize Daphne pulled off some wizardry back there so

[5:52:57] Voice 10: and I I just want to suggest as someone who has even the faintest grasp on on the technology

[5:53:04] Voice 10: being involved I know we've all been struggling and I I really do empathize and and respect that

[5:53:11] Voice 10: I suspect that if you if we leave our microphones if you are once you're in the queue if you leave

[5:53:17] Voice 10: your microphone on even if we've had this issue where people are getting dropped um if you leave

[5:53:22] Voice 10: it live Daphne can transfer it um and and we'll restore you into the can restore you into the queue

[5:53:28] Voice 10: and you won't be um but the the key is if you're so say for example if I'm speaking now to Claire

[5:53:33] Voice 10: um and then we want to be able to swap swap it to Claire the important thing is I do not hang up my

[5:53:38] Voice 10: microphone if Daphne transfers it to Claire it will go directly to Claire and whoever is after

[5:53:44] Voice 10: from me won't get lost from the queue. I know that's a little bit confusing, but Daphne is

[5:53:49] Voice 10: really doing some super cool stuff in the background. I know it's frustrating, but we

[5:53:54] Voice 10: will get there.

[5:53:57] Voice 36: Yeah, and if you press the left button, the room blows up. Everybody knows that,

[5:54:01] Voice 36: right?

[5:54:02] Trustee Luckham: Okay. I'm the only one with the left button. So let's continue on. Thank you, Sam,

[5:54:12] Trustee Luckham: Sam, for that, and indeed, thank you, Daphne. You have created a number of amazing moments. You

[5:54:19] Trustee Luckham: didn't have anything to say there. You're just being, no, thank you. So there's five items in

[5:54:23] Trustee Luckham: the consent agenda. I would like to pull right off the cuff 11.1.3, because Risa Smith is here,

[5:54:30] Trustee Luckham: the chair of the Alamstra Conservancy, and would like to provide her the opportunity to address

[5:54:34] Trustee Luckham: council, and that is the right place for her. And thank you, Service Director Claire Frater,

[5:54:41] Trustee Luckham: for being prepared here.

[5:54:43] Trustee Luckham: We have four other items on the consent agenda list,

[5:54:46] Trustee Luckham: which we will just receive for information,

[5:54:51] Trustee Luckham: unless there's some questions.

[5:54:53] Trustee Luckham: And then perhaps the director has a summary report

[5:54:56] Trustee Luckham: she'd like to make in addition to that.

[5:54:59] Trustee Luckham: So, Trustee Patrick, what would you like?

[5:55:01] Trustee Patrick: I'd like just to make a brief comment on 11.1.5,

[5:55:05] Trustee Patrick: the legislative monitoring report.

[5:55:06] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[5:55:07] Trustee Luckham: Anything else I see over here?

[5:55:10] Trustee Luckham: Mary Boland?

[5:55:11] Trustee Luckham: a quick

[5:55:13] Voice 4: question uh that comes from the services report 11.1.1 okay

[5:55:21] Trustee Luckham: so we'll address that in a

[5:55:23] Trustee Luckham: minute um anybody else um

[5:55:25] Voice 27: suelen fast um 11.1.6 is that nap tap bylaw yeah

[5:55:31] Trustee Luckham: that's actually going

[5:55:32] Trustee Luckham: down below to the next section thank you i didn't know if it was in consent or not thank you no it's

[5:55:37] Trustee Luckham: not in consent anything else on that list okay then i'm going to take it then 11.1.2 and 11.1.4

[5:55:46] Trustee Luckham: will be uh adopted by uh general consent as the recommendations as presented in items 11.1.2 and

[5:55:55] Trustee Luckham: 11.1.4 so let's go to 11.1.1 director of trust area services report and i think that was um

[5:56:02] Trustee Luckham: Mary Boland, did you have a question for the director?

[5:56:07] Voice 4: Yes. Have there been any responses to the First Nations letters?

[5:56:12] Voice 4: I can't remember the date when they were sent out.

[5:56:15] Voice 4: If you could refresh me on that. Thank you.

[5:56:22] Trustee Luckham: You'll have to release your microphone.

[5:56:24] Trustee Luckham: Well, yeah, you don't need to respond further.

[5:56:27] Trustee Luckham: Daphne's in control of it.

[5:56:29] Voice 14: So we've had a number of staff-to-staff inquiries

[5:56:32] Voice 14: around the intent of the letter.

[5:56:34] Voice 14: I understand it's heading to a number of First Nation agendas.

[5:56:36] Voice 14: I understand Galliano has heard from

[5:56:39] Voice 14: Penelicate Nation reaching out

[5:56:41] Voice 14: to set up a meeting and there's

[5:56:43] Voice 14: a number of things in progress we've not had any formal

[5:56:45] Voice 14: replies as of yet that I'm aware of but I've been on

[5:56:47] Voice 14: vacation so someone else in the room may

[5:56:49] Voice 14: contradict me but certainly it's in motion

[5:56:50] Voice 14: and I expect you will be getting some replies because we're

[5:56:53] Voice 14: getting that staff to staff engagement at this time

[5:56:55] Voice 14: so I and we will be following

[5:56:57] Voice 14: up to make sure it's landed in the right

[5:56:59] Voice 14: place with the right people

[5:57:00] Voice 14: right

[5:57:01] Trustee Luckham: thank you anything else

[5:57:02] Trustee Luckham: specific with that 1.11

[5:57:04] Trustee Luckham: one director frederick do you have any update that you'd like to provide us at all this time

[5:57:11] Voice 14: i'll just note that i'm so pleased we've hired mary storzer starting as our senior policy advisor

[5:57:16] Voice 14: so your policy statement project is now in motion again and also very pleased to have robin keffi

[5:57:21] Voice 14: on staff as our new senior indigenous relations advisor and i would encourage all of you to meet

[5:57:26] Voice 14: with her as you're able and she'll be bringing advice to future trust councils she sends her

[5:57:31] Voice 14: regrets today as she's ill.

[5:57:33] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Director Frater. So I'm going to jump to 11.1.3

[5:57:38] Trustee Luckham: and introduce Risa Smith, Chair of the Island Trust

[5:57:41] Voice 31: Conservancy, to make that report.

[5:57:50] Voice 31: Welcome, Risa. I'm so glad that you've joined us today.

[5:57:56] Voice 37: Okay, thanks, Peter. Hi, everybody. I'm the new Chair of the Island Trust Conservancy.

[5:58:01] Voice 37: It's a bit unusual because, as you know, the Island Trust Conservancy has six board members,

[5:58:06] Voice 37: three are trustees and three are provincial appointees usually the chair is a trustee

[5:58:14] Voice 37: an elected trustee but this time it's me who's an appointee so there you go you're stuck with me and

[5:58:21] Voice 37: i hope i can serve you i'm really here for three reasons the first one is to make you all feel

[5:58:27] Voice 37: better about your salaries because thanks to trustee getty you will be aware that i am the

[5:58:33] Voice 37: I make the least amount of money of everybody in this room as a provincial appointee.

[5:58:39] Voice 37: So if that makes you feel a bit better, yay.

[5:58:41] Voice 37: Thank you, Trustee Getty.

[5:58:44] Voice 37: The second reason I'm here is because I came for the dinner.

[5:58:49] Voice 37: I came for the dinner mostly because I hoped to actually meet you guys and schmooze a little bit, get to know you.

[5:58:59] Voice 37: You get to know me so that over time you're more comfortable coming to the Conservancy and asking questions, challenging us, moving us forward.

[5:59:10] Voice 37: So I'm sort of opening up to that, and that's the main reason I'm here.

[5:59:16] Voice 37: And then the third reason is because, as you know, the Trust Council has to provide money to the ITC as part of the legislation, and you do that every year.

[5:59:25] Voice 37: So I want you to know a little bit about how we make decisions, how we spend that money, and we probably won't have time in this context, but at lunch you can challenge me on that too.

[5:59:37] Voice 37: And then the last thing I want to do is thank the people around this table who are on the board.

[5:59:43] Voice 37: Trustee Yates is the vice chair. Thank you, Trustee Yates.

[5:59:47] Voice 37: And we have Trustee Elliott, who's representing the executive, and Trustee Gavreau, who's new, and I really appreciate people stepping forward.

[5:59:56] Voice 37: And I also want to thank a few past trustees.

[6:00:00] Voice 37: trustees who have been on the board, trustee, oh my God, I'm losing my mind here, trustee

[6:00:09] Voice 37: Fast and trustee Stamford, and trustee Stamford was the chair when I started, so I learned

[6:00:15] Voice 37: a lot from her, thanks.

[6:00:17] Voice 37: And then the last thing I want to do is make everybody aware of what fantastic staff we

[6:00:23] Voice 37: have at itc and without those incredibly knowledgeable people working so hard to

[6:00:31] Voice 37: really implement our mandate we couldn't do anything and so i'm very grateful for that

[6:00:37] Voice 37: kate emmings is the director of that group but her and all of the staff are really incredible and

[6:00:42] Voice 37: i think the whole board's very appreciative of the hard work that they put out and how they support

[6:00:48] Voice 37: us. So first thing I want to do is talk to you about decision-making and how we do that.

[6:00:55] Voice 37: ITC is an evidence-based organization. So we base our decisions on two things, science

[6:01:01] Voice 37: and Indigenous knowledge. And those are two very important areas of knowledge, equally important.

[6:01:10] Voice 37: In my opinion, we don't get enough Indigenous knowledge incorporated into our decision-making,

[6:01:15] Voice 37: and we hope over time to improve that but that's how we make decision it's how

[6:01:21] Voice 37: we manage our lands how we prioritize new areas for conservation how we

[6:01:27] Voice 37: monitor our successes and challenges and how we act as needed and also we make

[6:01:33] Voice 37: careful decisions we really debate things at the board and we weigh all the

[6:01:37] Voice 37: evidence and sometimes it's very uncomfortable to weigh all the evidence

[6:01:41] Voice 37: some of it might not support what your own personal beliefs are and we try and do that we

[6:01:47] Voice 37: try and bring in as much knowledge as we can to our decisions we are guided by our regional

[6:01:52] Voice 37: conservation plan and if you're interested you can all look up that but i think it's very great

[6:01:57] Voice 37: to have a plan to at least guide our priorities as far as the budget since you've talked so much

[6:02:03] Voice 37: about budget here um we get uh we our main our budget right now across all of our funds is about

[6:02:11] Voice 37: just under $600,000. This money comes from donations and contributions required through

[6:02:17] Voice 37: development processes, and that's in addition to the funds that we get from the Islands Trust.

[6:02:25] Voice 37: So we maintain our own accounts, and this

[6:02:30] Voice 37: money is quite separate. It's all donations or money

[6:02:37] Voice 37: money from these land use decisions. And I'll just give you one example of how these money,

[6:02:42] Voice 37: how this kind of these funds we have can leverage conservation. So we have something called the

[6:02:48] Voice 37: Opportunity Fund. That's a fund that is used to give small amounts of money to different

[6:02:55] Voice 37: conservation organizations around the trust area. And since 2005, we've provided $104,000

[6:03:03] Voice 37: dollars in small grants to all these organizations. Sometimes it's a little contribution towards the

[6:03:09] Voice 37: legal work to get a conservation property. Sometimes it's just to launch a campaign,

[6:03:15] Voice 37: to do communications. It's a small amount of money, usually in the $5,000 range.

[6:03:20] Voice 37: So that $104,000 has resulted in $47 million in appraised value of the properties that have

[6:03:29] Voice 37: have been conserved, that we've contributed to. Now, I would say that's amazing leverage of

[6:03:35] Voice 37: resources from a small investment. So I think that's really something to be proud of.

[6:03:42] Voice 37: And you already heard about the funding we get for our Species at Risk program

[6:03:46] Voice 37: from Environment, Climate Change Canada, so I won't say anything about that.

[6:03:51] Voice 37: Except that having the Species at Risk Fund has allowed us to do a lot of work in restoration

[6:03:56] Voice 37: restoration, and other work that we wouldn't do otherwise. For example, in the past year we've

[6:04:02] Voice 37: done a pollinator habitat restoration program, we've done meadow and forest restoration, bullfrog

[6:04:09] Voice 37: control, fallow deer eradication on Sydney Island, and wetland restoration, and some screech owl

[6:04:16] Voice 37: habitat enhancement at Link Island. We couldn't do any of this if we didn't have that environment

[6:04:23] Voice 37: and Climate Change Canada funds.

[6:04:25] Voice 37: Just a little bit of the numbers.

[6:04:27] Voice 37: We manage 1,383 hectares of land.

[6:04:30] Voice 37: Just over half of that we own.

[6:04:33] Voice 37: The other half of that is in covenants.

[6:04:35] Voice 37: And the size of covenants range from about 0.3 hectares to 72 hectares.

[6:04:41] Voice 37: Wide range.

[6:04:42] Voice 37: We're trying as a board to encourage larger covenants.

[6:04:46] Voice 37: We had a policy last year that we wouldn't entertain any covenants

[6:04:51] Voice 37: less than eight hectares um that policy isn't really in place anymore but we will at the board

[6:04:57] Voice 37: be thinking about that not that some small areas aren't important they are but it's just with

[6:05:03] Voice 37: limited resources where do you get your biggest bang and then um the other thing i wanted to um

[6:05:10] Voice 37: say is that we manage a variety of terrestrial ecosystems so these include forests wetlands

[6:05:17] Voice 37: lands, herbaceous areas, salt marshes, coastal bluffs, and cliffs.

[6:05:21] Voice 37: These ecosystems provide a wide range of services to everybody in the trust area, so it's not

[6:05:28] Voice 37: as if these protected areas are for some esoteric reason.

[6:05:33] Voice 37: They are actually key to quality of life in the Gulf Islands.

[6:05:38] Voice 37: We have, besides the forests and their importance in water retention and climate change mitigation

[6:05:46] Voice 37: and adaptation. We have habitat for species, but also for wild foods, for the millions of birds

[6:05:52] Voice 37: that actually come through the Gulf Islands. Some stay, some just migrate through. And globally,

[6:05:59] Voice 37: in Canada, globally and in Canada and in BC, everyone's agreed to protect 30 percent of the

[6:06:06] Voice 37: land's freshwater marine area by 2030. And I think this would be a good goal also for the

[6:06:13] Voice 37: Islands Trust. We have done, and I want to give you an example, I can't tell you everything we've

[6:06:18] Voice 37: done, but we've done some mapping of coastal ecosystems in the past, and I think I heard a

[6:06:23] Voice 37: little bit here about eelgrass funding being cut. So I just want to speak to that quickly, because

[6:06:28] Voice 37: why do we do eelgrass mapping when it's in the marine area and we manage the terrestrial area?

[6:06:34] Voice 37: And that's because eelgrass beds are very important to help us prioritize important

[6:06:40] Voice 37: important shoreline areas needing protection. So we have to know what's happening in the coastal

[6:06:46] Voice 37: zone in order for us to really think about what we're doing on the land adjacent to that.

[6:06:50] Voice 37: And eelgrass, just as one example, but I could say this about all ecosystems,

[6:06:55] Voice 37: it's particularly important as nursery grounds for juvenile fish. Think salmon fries, think herring

[6:07:00] Voice 37: eggs, and many more. Invertebrates, think crabs. It provides food for so many birds. And it's very,

[6:07:09] Voice 37: Eelgrass is what we call blue carbon ecosystem, very important for climate change mitigation and adaptation.

[6:07:16] Voice 37: Eelgrass beds actually buffer these storm surges that we get.

[6:07:21] Voice 37: And just to give you an example, you know, in the southern Gulf Islands since the 1930s, we've lost 40 percent of our eelgrass beds and 71 percent of what's 76 percent of what's left is fragmented.

[6:07:35] Voice 37: So where there was a large eelgrass bed, it might be very small now.

[6:07:38] Voice 37: So these are important things to monitor because they are the basis of our decision making.

[6:07:44] Voice 37: We also take responsibility for our lands. We do a lot of monitoring. I remember

[6:07:49] Voice 37: actually explaining this to Ben when he first became a trustee, that we actually monitor all

[6:07:54] Voice 37: our holdings. We make sure that there's not infringements on the borders, that there's not

[6:07:59] Voice 37: issues. If there's invasive species, we manage them. We worry about trespass. We worry about

[6:08:05] Voice 37: about damage, and we worry about the public, and every year we have a report, one on the

[6:08:13] Voice 37: lands we hold and one on the NAPTEP lands, and so I think that's very important, and

[6:08:20] Voice 37: when I first came to ITC, it really impressed me that we do do monitoring, and then when

[6:08:27] Voice 37: it comes to reconciliation, this is something that I'm sort of a bit, anyways, it's important

[6:08:32] Voice 37: to everybody here. I got that from the

[6:08:34] Voice 37: talk. It is our intention to have a reconciliation action plan,

[6:08:39] Voice 37: but we haven't done that yet. Having a declaration is important. It's the first step,

[6:08:44] Voice 37: but you really have to have a plan to enact what you want to do, and we have not done that yet.

[6:08:49] Voice 37: We have some funding but haven't had the capacity. The other thing relates to climate change,

[6:08:54] Voice 37: something I also care about a lot. We have some funding in our budget to do a climate change

[6:09:01] Voice 37: strategy. So that's also our intention. And we also haven't done that yet, also because of

[6:09:06] Voice 37: capacity. And I will say, since you were just talking about budget, I'll say this, that we

[6:09:13] Voice 37: often put in project reports for things like climate change or like reconciliation, and we

[6:09:18] Voice 37: ask for the amount of money we hope we'll get, not the amount of money we actually need. And I

[6:09:24] Voice 37: think that might be a challenge that we have at ITC, but it might be a challenge for the

[6:09:30] Voice 37: the Trust Council as well. I'm not sure. For the climate change part, we didn't have the capacity

[6:09:37] Voice 37: internally, so we put out contract proposals. We didn't get any responses. Since I work in that

[6:09:43] Voice 37: field in my day job, I know that the contract proposal we put out was not enough money to the

[6:09:48] Voice 37: job that needed to be done. Then I'll really wrap up. I don't know if that buzzer was my 10 minutes

[6:09:54] Voice 37: is up maybe um uh there's some challenges we have specific to itc um there's a high demand

[6:10:01] Voice 37: for conservation covenants people have them are very proud they often have signs on their property

[6:10:06] Voice 37: but we don't have the capacity to meet the demand so when you talk just earlier about communications

[6:10:12] Voice 37: we would like to communicate more that you know we have these conservation covenants and people

[6:10:18] Voice 37: can apply for them. For the NAPTEP, they give 65 percent break on their taxes for the land that's

[6:10:24] Voice 37: in the

[6:10:25] Voice 37: covenant. But if we communicated that, we would get an even bigger demand and we couldn't

[6:10:31] Voice 37: meet it. So we have that problem. And then the other thing that I think is a shared challenge

[6:10:36] Voice 37: is mapping and GIS. The current GIS and mapping resources of the Islands Trust don't meet the

[6:10:44] Voice 37: needs for itc and i

[6:10:46] Voice 37: for my what i heard here i don't think they meet the needs of uh trust

[6:10:50] Voice 37: council either and so we're hoping and to voice concerns and actually have a motion um to increase

[6:10:57] Voice 37: the resources to mapping and gis for the trust and we would be part of that so that's all i'm going

[6:11:05] Voice 37: to wrap up on that and i hope you'll ask me questions and challenge me um at dinner thank you

[6:11:14] Trustee Luckham: right thank you very much risa and thank you for the chip about uh asking you questions and

[6:11:19] Trustee Luckham: challenge you at dinner um because certainly um um what you've presented has been very informative

[6:11:25] Trustee Luckham: but are there any questions uh that you need to ask uh reset this time um who's got the oh you

[6:11:32] Trustee Luckham: turn your microphone off reset i

[6:11:35] Voice 37: thought that oh well

[6:11:36] Trustee Luckham: yeah okay so let's get people promoted

[6:11:41] Voice 33: thanks

[6:11:42] Voice 22: risa um yeah the one thing i was just curious about was there is there any thought

[6:11:46] Voice 22: been given into the mapping of the bulk bulk health beds as well i

[6:11:51] Voice 22: mean i i know there i

[6:11:52] Voice 22: spent a lot of time you know how much time i spend in the southern gulf islands and and we're seeing

[6:11:57] Voice 22: a resurgence of the bulk health beds and they're all adjacent to the shorelines and we know of

[6:12:04] Voice 22: their importance to the local first nations as well so i'm just wondering if there's any thought

[6:12:08] Voice 22: on into mapping that as well?

[6:12:13] Voice 37: Am I on again? Oh, you're great. Great question. And we obviously

[6:12:20] Voice 37: don't have the budget to do it. But like eelgrass, I mean, bulk help is incredibly important in the

[6:12:25] Voice 37: near shore. And it's also important for things like climate change adaptation and mitigating

[6:12:31] Voice 37: storm surges. And I also have noticed resurgence outside my own house, actually. So I think it's

[6:12:38] Voice 37: Something that has done, a bit of it's been done in the Gulf Islands, but it's really worth doing more, I think.

[6:12:48] Voice 38: I have lots of questions that I'll ask you at dinner, but the one for here is really around wildfire management and forest management on ITC owned and covenant lands.

[6:13:01] Voice 38: And just is there internal strategy about how to handle that or work in collaboration with parks as well for how to think about that?

[6:13:11] Voice 38: wildfire mitigation work no

[6:13:14] Voice 37: but we need it and i will tell you just as an aside um because i have

[6:13:19] Voice 37: another life and the world heritage commission has recently done a um they're trying to do a

[6:13:25] Voice 37: report on how to manage fires on world heritage sites and they've approached me because it's only

[6:13:30] Voice 37: about buildings it's nothing about the ecosystems and they would like to include ecosystems so

[6:13:35] Voice 37: if i end up doing that work i'm hoping i can incorporate it um and share it with the islands

[6:13:41] Voice 37: trust but very important and can i just say one other thing about that i'm very i saw this pamphlet

[6:13:46] Voice 37: i haven't read it yet but it looks pretty good that was distributed but i'm worried that suddenly

[6:13:51] Voice 37: we've all got become afraid of our forests we become afraid of our forests because we think

[6:13:57] Voice 37: they're going to burn down and so we want to get rid of them all but in fact our forests are

[6:14:02] Voice 37: actually helping us maintain water our groundwater our climate and it's managing them yes and there's

[6:14:10] Voice 37: a lot to be learned from traditional knowledge in how to manage them. I will say that, and we know

[6:14:15] Voice 37: that. But I'm very worried that we're sending out messages that we should be afraid of the forest,

[6:14:22] Voice 37: and we should not be afraid of the forest. It's our friend, actually. So great idea. We need to

[6:14:28] Voice 37: do that. Over

[6:14:32] Voice 36: there, yeah.

[6:14:35] Voice 4: Hi. The kelp mapping. I believe that we did do kelp mapping at the same

[6:14:41] Voice 4: time as eelgrass mapping and the eelgrass mapping that's now proposed is because a certain

[6:14:48] Voice 4: percentage of the eelgrass mapping didn't meet the standard of quality required so yes kelp mapping

[6:14:55] Voice 4: was done and kelp mapping is done extensively by main island conservancy i don't know the degree

[6:15:03] Voice 4: to which they were involved in the kelp mapping project that was executed by the trust but yeah

[6:15:09] Voice 4: Yeah. And by the way, there's a talk on Saturna Island this coming weekend from somebody who is involved in CELF, an expert.

[6:15:19] Voice 4: OK.

[6:15:21] Trustee Luckham: OK, very good. I think that expires the immediate questions.

[6:15:25] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Risa, for joining us today and for your comprehensive report on the work of the Conservancy.

[6:15:31] Trustee Luckham: The final item in this section is 11.1.5.

[6:15:35] Trustee Luckham: And I think that was Sushie Patrick.

[6:15:36] Trustee Luckham: Yes,

[6:15:38] Trustee Patrick: on page 271 of the legislative monitoring report for the Watershed Security Fund new investment, that $100 million, I know that gets all of our attention when we see grant funding out there.

[6:15:51] Trustee Patrick: But the Ministry of Water, Land, and Resource Stewardship oversees that funding, and they've made it clear that if you have a project that you have hopes of having funded through this, it must be jointly developed with First Nations.

[6:16:05] Trustee Patrick: so as you're thinking of projects they're jointly developed keywords thank

[6:16:16] Trustee Luckham: you very much for that

[6:16:16] Trustee Luckham: um oh so did you want to respond to that in some way claire okay we'll go to yeah

[6:16:25] Voice 28: yeah i just wanted to um ask a question about the legislative monitoring report

[6:16:30] Voice 28: in general i asked this at ec and um sort of wanted to bring it up to trust council

[6:16:36] Voice 28: Council so we can consider it. This is a huge report that I believe we decided to bring only

[6:16:44] Voice 28: every six months. But as I was going through it, there's a lot of really interesting potential

[6:16:51] Voice 28: grants or alignments with some of the projects, but there just isn't time to apply for them or

[6:16:57] Voice 28: strategize how we can take advantage of them. So is there another way perhaps that we can

[6:17:02] Voice 28: and keep this report sort of as a standing and updatable item without overtaxing you.

[6:17:13] Voice 28: I know it's a huge job, and I get that.

[6:17:17] Voice 28: But coming from UBCM, there's so many amazing, like the Action Clean BC transportation funds

[6:17:25] Voice 28: that are coming out, and I just want a place to where is it going to be kept live

[6:17:30] Voice 28: that we can strategize our priorities

[6:17:33] Voice 28: and strategic plan projects with that.

[6:17:35] Voice 28: So just a discussion.

[6:17:42] Voice 31: So do you want to respond to that, Director Frater?

[6:17:50] Voice 31: So yes, a

[6:17:50] Voice 14: couple of things.

[6:17:51] Voice 14: One is I just want to acknowledge this report

[6:17:53] Voice 14: is being produced right now by our grants manager

[6:17:55] Voice 14: because the senior policy position

[6:17:57] Voice 14: that typically has responsibility

[6:17:58] Voice 14: is basically seconded over working full-time

[6:18:00] Voice 14: on the policy statement project.

[6:18:02] Voice 14: We have not probably done as good a job

[6:18:04] Voice 14: as we could have at proactively providing items

[6:18:06] Voice 14: to executive committee when, you know,

[6:18:08] Voice 14: there's engagements that arise and so on, and we can look at doing that more proactively

[6:18:11] Voice 14: and on a more routine basis. One consideration for council is we've been shift, council's been

[6:18:17] Voice 14: directing us in different ways. One is to produce the report every six months, which results in the

[6:18:21] Voice 14: large report that you're now seeing on your agenda. The other option is to do it quarterly as we used

[6:18:26] Voice 14: to do, in which case you'd get a report every three months that would be smaller in size with

[6:18:31] Voice 14: slightly more timely items. From staff, we don't have a position on that. We're happy to support

[6:18:35] Voice 14: or either approach um but that would be an option for council to consider as well thank you director

[6:18:43] Voice 36: frederick susan yates thank

[6:18:47] Voice 39: you director freder um at at last december's council meeting i did

[6:18:53] Voice 39: talk to staff about could we not get this coming back to us quarterly again because i said to them

[6:18:59] Voice 39: is it more work for you to do it quarterly is it less work but um and then i just sort of dropped

[6:19:06] Voice 39: it. And then when I received this package, because I really like this legislative monitoring report,

[6:19:13] Voice 39: all five or six bits of it, like the components of it, I read it thoroughly. And part of what I

[6:19:20] Voice 39: used to do with it is I would report on it. And now I don't need to do that anymore, but I do

[6:19:26] Voice 39: need to read it. And I would really like to get this report quarterly. So I would like to make

[6:19:32] Voice 39: a motion to that effect please

[6:19:35] Trustee Luckham: please don't second the motion that isn't on the table yet

[6:19:39] Trustee Luckham: let's get a motion on the table i

[6:19:42] Voice 39: move that the uh staff provide council with the legislative

[6:19:46] Voice 39: monitoring report quarterly move

[6:19:49] Trustee Luckham: do i have a second oh sue allen fast thank you um would

[6:19:55] Trustee Luckham: you wish to speak to the motion further okay some discussion on the motion yes i have a question i

[6:20:02] Trustee Luckham: have a comment on the motion yes please go ahead

[6:20:05] Voice 38: um so while i agree with the intent of the motion

[6:20:10] Voice 38: to be able to have this report regularly i actually um even quarterly for for some of the

[6:20:17] Voice 38: things that we see in here i guess i'm just wondering if if director prater can help us

[6:20:22] Voice 38: understand is there a way that we can just have this as a live report somewhere in our life that

[6:20:27] Voice 38: that we can just check it regularly, because then it's not a report inside the thing in static,

[6:20:32] Voice 38: because we even can miss things just on the quarterly, frankly. And especially when our

[6:20:38] Voice 38: LTCs don't line up with the quarterly properly, we can't make decisions and go back. So I just

[6:20:44] Voice 38: am wondering if there is a live version of this report somewhere that's just updated as we get

[6:20:48] Voice 38: new information.

[6:20:53] Voice 14: Certainly, I can speak with staff about that. At the moment, we do produce

[6:20:57] Voice 14: it as a full report. We sort of drag the emails into an inbox, and then we'll go through as a

[6:21:01] Voice 14: project and build out the whole report we can look at certainly um trying to produce it like

[6:21:06] Voice 14: and put it in webdav and do it iteratively but again it's kind of an unsupported function right

[6:21:10] Voice 14: now um so i'll have to talk with staff about our capacity to do that for you but i'll certainly

[6:21:15] Voice 14: take it back as an idea for us to talk about and we'll communicate if we can take on something

[6:21:19] Voice 14: different okay

[6:21:21] Trustee Luckham: thank you so on the motion that's on the floor any further questions i see a

[6:21:25] Trustee Luckham: microphone over here i

[6:21:27] Voice 4: i just have a question i look at this stuff and i think it's enormously

[6:21:31] Voice 4: enormously onerous to pull this information together.

[6:21:35] Voice 4: And I just consider the work that, you know, does the regional district do

[6:21:40] Voice 4: the same, each regional district, each municipality?

[6:21:44] Voice 4: Is there no kind of synergy?

[6:21:48] Voice 4: I just find it extraordinary that in this

[6:21:51] Voice 4: day and age, this requirement to do this exists.

[6:21:57] Voice 4: this and you know the information is theoretically coming from governments that serve us and yet we

[6:22:04] Voice 4: have to borrow to find the things that are relevant to us i'm just throwing it out there i just find

[6:22:10] Voice 4: it extraordinary every time i look at it it just makes me want to put my head on the desk and bang

[6:22:15] Voice 4: it and uh you know i just think like could that not okay it's a bit late but ubcm someplace like

[6:22:24] Voice 4: that that bring it up and say why is this so difficult this is information that we're paying

[6:22:31] Voice 4: for it that could be of value to us and we have to do this but that's it okay

[6:22:39] Voice 31: um don't bang your head

[6:22:42] Voice 28: i wonder if one alternative to keeping it as a live uh document while we explore that is not

[6:22:49] Voice 28: having this attached to trust council necessarily because i know there's a lot of work that goes

[6:22:53] Voice 28: goes into putting together trust council agendas so i remember that was the discussion at ec

[6:22:57] Voice 28: was perhaps it just doesn't have to be part of this but it could be just emailed out to trustees

[6:23:02] Voice 28: sort of in between trust council periods so that then we have time to digest it catch up and and

[6:23:08] Voice 28: it's not so onerous on staff so that might be a solution in the meantime sure

[6:23:14] Trustee Luckham: um i would like to

[6:23:16] Trustee Luckham: focus on we have a motion on the floor and certainly staff have indicated that they are

[6:23:21] Trustee Luckham: are interested to look at other alternatives,

[6:23:23] Trustee Luckham: but I think we should focus on the motion on the floor.

[6:23:25] Voice 27: I'm in support of the motion.

[6:23:26] Voice 27: I will be forwarding this

[6:23:30] Voice 27: to Bowen Island Municipalities Agenda, for example,

[6:23:34] Voice 27: for council to look at.

[6:23:35] Voice 27: By having it quarterly,

[6:23:36] Voice 27: it'll be easier for busy councillors to absorb

[6:23:41] Voice 27: because they meet every two weeks

[6:23:44] Voice 27: and the huge big six-month legislative report

[6:23:50] Voice 27: court is really valuable but sometimes it is a little late and a little big for councillors to

[6:23:55] Voice 27: take in and i find it really valuable um in terms of uh well sometimes i've found things in here and

[6:24:03] Voice 27: i'm going oh that's why now we can enforce that on crown land or something like that so thank you

[6:24:11] Voice 27: very much and i'm in favor um

[6:24:15] Voice 28: justin to trustee boland's um point uh the regional district that

[6:24:21] Voice 28: i am part of loves this report and they get it whenever i get it but i think it's a good idea

[6:24:27] Voice 28: to maybe maybe consider it for avicc because it does have a coastal focus rather than a provincial

[6:24:33] Voice 28: focus so that's just another suggestion for consideration good

[6:24:38] Voice 36: suggestion too are we ready

[6:24:41] Voice 36: to vote okay all those in favor this is for

[6:24:47] Trustee Luckham: quarterly reports hands on line up i see one

[6:24:53] Trustee Luckham: two and hands down everybody and those opposed i don't see any opposed online one opposed and so

[6:25:04] Trustee Luckham: that carries so thank you for helping us out with that director freighter um is there anything

[6:25:12] Trustee Luckham: Anything further for that 11.1.5 item?

[6:25:16] Trustee Luckham: Susan Yates.

[6:25:19] Trustee Luckham: Somebody's microphone is on.

[6:25:21] Voice 23: Somebody else has it.

[6:25:23] Voice 23: Oh, David Graham.

[6:25:24] Voice 23: Thank you.

[6:25:24] Voice 23: I do have a question regarding page 263 and the prohibition on the purchase of residential property by non-Canadian acts.

[6:25:34] Voice 23: I notice it's based on the interpretation.

[6:25:37] Voice 23: It's possible that Hornby, Denman and Thetis would be able to restrict.

[6:25:43] Voice 23: Can we use this information?

[6:25:45] Voice 23: Is this real now or are we still waiting for confirmation from Stats Canada or CMHC or

[6:25:52] Voice 23: whomever else?

[6:25:54] Voice 14: I won't speak authoritatively, but as I understand, it's already in effect.

[6:25:58] Voice 14: Like that would be the federal regulation.

[6:26:00] Voice 14: The way in which it was applied seems very uneven in our area based on some methodology

[6:26:06] Voice 14: applied federally.

[6:26:07] Voice 14: But that's my understanding.

[6:26:09] Voice 14: But I will say I do not speak with full knowledge of the matter.

[6:26:13] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Anything else over to you?

[6:26:17] Voice 39: Just a comment to thank staff for the actual format that we get this in.

[6:26:22] Voice 39: I find it very easy to discern between the six different types of legislation and how they affect us because of the way it's laid out and the color coding.

[6:26:31] Voice 39: Thank you.

[6:26:33] Voice 36: Deb Morrison.

[6:26:35] Voice 38: On page 271 at the top is the synthesis from the IPCC, the most recent synthesis from the IPCC on climate change.

[6:26:45] Voice 38: And it's the policymaker synthesis. I highly encourage you all to take a beverage of your choice and read through that, because it is the latest, most accurate information on mitigation, adaptation, and impacts. So please dig into that.

[6:27:02] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. Anything further? Did you wish to say something there? Okay. So then if there's nothing further, I'm going to take it then items 11.1.1, 11.1.3, 11.1.5 be received for information. So thank you very much for that.

[6:27:22] Trustee Luckham: So we're going to go into the decision items here now, 446, we're doing very well, we've got 45 minutes more or less.

[6:27:31] Trustee Luckham: And we've got a number of NAPTEP covenants here, and just for your information, one that was quite possibly placed erroneously, 11.1.6, a NAPTEP covenant, I've chosen to put that 11.2.4 and then bump the other ones down so that we can address the three NAPTEP covenants together.

[6:27:51] Trustee Luckham: And so the first one is L'Amour, NAPTEP application Salt Spring. It's a request for decision.

[6:28:00] Trustee Luckham: Director Frey, did you intend to address them or do you want the LTCs to address them or would you

[6:28:06] Voice 36: like to proceed on these?

[6:28:12] Voice 14: So simply, I can provide a brief introduction. This is a routine matter that's brought to the council, which is approval of NAPTEP covenants.

[6:28:20] Voice 14: The Conservancy Board has already agreed to take on said covenants.

[6:28:25] Voice 14: um and this is for you to issue the certificate um this one the first one is the lemur

[6:28:29] Voice 14: is for a two and a half hectare two and a half hectare property on salt spring island

[6:28:33] Voice 14: i will go into more detail unless upon request um other than that i'm happy to take questions

[6:28:38] Trustee Luckham: right so perhaps i'll just turn to the trustee from that region to ask them to make the motion

[6:28:43] Trustee Luckham: and then if there's any questions we can answer a microphone off or shifting somebody up i

[6:28:51] Trustee Patrick: would

[6:28:52] Trustee Patrick: be honored to make this uh motion mr chair i move that the islands trust council requests the

[6:28:58] Trustee Patrick: secretary to issue a nap tech certificate certificate for the coveted portion of the

[6:29:04] Trustee Patrick: property described as pid 000138452 lot 1 section 87 salt spring island cowichan district and

[6:29:13] Trustee Patrick: there's too many things there subject to the registration of a conservation covenant and

[6:29:18] Trustee Patrick: and completion of a baseline inventory report

[6:29:21] Trustee Patrick: consistent with the standards developed for NAPTEC.

[6:29:23] Trustee Luckham: We have a seconder.

[6:29:26] Voice 31: Trustee Fast, thank you.

[6:29:28] Voice 31: Any discussion?

[6:29:33] Voice 16: Oh, Trustee Harris.

[6:29:35] Voice 16: Yeah, I'm not in support of this.

[6:29:37] Voice 16: I don't think this is a balanced approach

[6:29:40] Voice 16: to looking at protecting the environment

[6:29:43] Voice 16: and communities and livelihoods and all the rest of it.

[6:29:46] Voice 16: I see this NAPTEC deal as raising taxes

[6:29:51] Voice 16: taxes for other landowners. This also hampers the ability for workforce ownership housing projects.

[6:30:00] Voice 16: to be initiated, so I'm not in support of this.

[6:30:05] Voice 16: Thank

[6:30:05] Voice 31: you, Trustee Harris.

[6:30:07] Voice 31: Anything further?

[6:30:09] Voice 31: Then I'm going to call the vote.

[6:30:11] Voice 31: All those in favour?

[6:30:15] Voice 31: And online, please, raising your hands.

[6:30:18] Voice 31: And please lower your hands.

[6:30:21] Voice 31: Any opposed?

[6:30:26] Voice 31: Okay, we have two opposed.

[6:30:28] Voice 31: That carries.

[6:30:29] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[6:30:31] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to go to the next item, which is 11.2.3,

[6:30:34] Trustee Luckham: Koontz, that's a NAPTEP certificate for Dabriola Island.

[6:30:37] Trustee Luckham: I think probably likely your introduction is the same as the previous one, so I'll turn to a local trustee to advance that motion. Susan Yates.

[6:30:48] Voice 39: I too am honoured to recommend that the Islands Trust Council request the Secretary to issue a NAPTEP certificate for the covenanted portion of the property described as PID 05788447,

[6:31:03] Voice 39: That part of Lot 3, Section 5, Gabriola Island, Nanaimo District, Plan 6986,

[6:31:10] Voice 39: lying to the northwest of a road dedication by Plan 17829,

[6:31:14] Voice 39: except those parts in Plan 21783 and 26145,

[6:31:19] Voice 39: subject to registration of a conservation covenant

[6:31:22] Voice 39: and completion of a baseline inventory report

[6:31:25] Voice 39: consistent with the standards developed for NAPTAP.

[6:31:30] Trustee Luckham: Do we have a seconder?

[6:31:31] Trustee Luckham: Lisa Garborough.

[6:31:32] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Lisa.

[6:31:33] Trustee Luckham: any discussion on this one okay then I'm going to call the

[6:31:39] Voice 36: vote all those in favor

[6:31:41] Voice 36: and

[6:31:44] Voice 31: online in favor okay please lower your

[6:31:48] Trustee Luckham: hands and any opposed and we have one online and one in

[6:31:54] Trustee Luckham: the room not in favor that two carries so thank you very much 11.2.4 is another NAPTEP proposal

[6:32:03] Trustee Luckham: I don't have the detail of that one here can you help me out director fader in

[6:32:11] Voice 14: fact chair this is

[6:32:12] Voice 14: actually a naptep bylaw this was introduced as a late item for council right thank you um

[6:32:16] Voice 14: so if

[6:32:17] Voice 14: you may all find it it was provided as a late item after yesterday's executive committee meeting if

[6:32:22] Voice 14: you want to check your email um i'll provide a brief overview of this for your consideration

[6:32:26] Voice 14: uh this is a matter which the executive committee discussed bringing to you late and i think the

[6:32:30] Voice 14: chair's guidance was we'll see if this is can be dealt with expeditiously by council if you feel

[6:32:35] Voice 14: like it needs a lot of discussion it could be postponed until your december meeting right

[6:32:40] Voice 14: So what this is, is we're bringing back to you for fourth reading a bylaw, which is to allow for the consideration of sponsorship of application fees for NAPSTEP.

[6:32:51] Voice 14: This would be parallel to the program that you already have, which allows for the sponsorship of development applications.

[6:32:57] Voice 14: Last year's budget, you allocated $1,000 for this function, assuming that fourth reading would have occurred.

[6:33:03] Voice 14: We realized with the election happening, we missed the fourth reading of this bylaw.

[6:33:07] Voice 14: so it's being brought back being brought back to you at this time um for review of fourth reading

[6:33:13] Voice 14: um this is a yeah a bylaw that was simply intended to assist landowners that may need a support in

[6:33:20] Voice 14: bringing forward their laptop applications i'm happy to take any questions you might have

[6:33:26] Trustee Luckham: all right thank you director freighters we have the um the uh the motion up on the screen there

[6:33:31] Trustee Luckham: and so give you a moment to reflect on this and i see there's a couple of microphones on

[6:33:37] Trustee Luckham: on. We'll just advance David Graham to the top of the

[6:33:40] Trustee Luckham: list unless there's some other trustee.

[6:33:43] Voice 23: You're on. Thank

[6:33:44] Voice 23: you. I'm just curious to know what the mechanism is to determine whether the landowner

[6:33:49] Voice 23: needs assistance or not.

[6:33:54] Voice 31: We will be developing an application

[6:33:56] Voice 14: form in much the

[6:33:56] Voice 14: same way that you have one for the EC-sponsored development applications, and

[6:34:01] Voice 14: then it would be up to Executive Committee to adjudicate that request.

[6:34:05] Voice 31: Right. Any

[6:34:06] Voice 31: other questions? Okay.

[6:34:11] Trustee Luckham: okay then i'm going to take it then that there's a general interest in advancing this so i'm going

[6:34:16] Trustee Luckham: to call uh do you wish to speak to the motion i was going to put motion on that okay great thank

[6:34:22] Trustee Luckham: you please do that i

[6:34:25] Voice 28: move that the trust council bylaw number 190 cited as islands trust council

[6:34:29] Voice 28: natural area exemption certificate fees bylaw number 115 2006 amendment bylaw number one

[6:34:37] Voice 28: 2022 be adopted.

[6:34:40] Trustee Luckham: Seconded by Susan Yates. Okay, any further discussion on this?

[6:34:45] Trustee Luckham: Mairead Boland.

[6:34:46] Voice 4: Can you tell me what the fee actually is, how much it is? Thank you. Yes,

[6:34:54] Voice 14: you'll see in the financial section on page two, NAPTEP fees are $450 per application.

[6:34:58] Voice 14: They're paid in two phases of $275 for phase one and $175 for phase two.

[6:35:04] Trustee Luckham: Right, thank you.

[6:35:05] Trustee Luckham: uh deb morrison oh sorry no christina evan you got to go with the red lights christina

[6:35:12] Trustee Luckham: sorry no

[6:35:13] Voice 18: worries um uh did we get emailed this as a late item i just

[6:35:18] Voice 18: didn't remember seeing it

[6:35:19] Voice 18: okay thanks deb

[6:35:21] Trustee Luckham: morrison and

[6:35:22] Voice 38: just to be clear on my read i think the the fee that was just

[6:35:28] Voice 38: cited is the island's trust fee it's not the cost of doing that permit so there's a higher cost for

[6:35:36] Voice 38: actually doing the full permit because biologist reports or other types of things are required

[6:35:40] Voice 38: yeah

[6:35:40] Voice 36: okay are we comfortable

[6:35:44] Voice 19: to go to the vote well it's my i've got a question that's related

[6:35:49] Voice 19: to trustee bowman's uh i i'm at a loss here because we're asking basically we're being asked

[6:35:56] Voice 19: to uh uh approve a system that is from my understanding of it it's going to basically

[6:36:01] Voice 19: basically subsidize the ability of people to participate in NAPTEP by covering some of their

[6:36:09] Voice 19: costs. But we're not being told what the aggregate projected costs might be, say, on a year-to-year

[6:36:16] Voice 19: basis. Trustee Harris's point before, he's got obviously an opinion about it. I don't. But

[6:36:23] Voice 19: But he's obviously articulated an opinion that this is going—NAPTEP approvals end up reducing the tax base and spreading the cost among other residents.

[6:36:38] Voice 19: Whether that's a material consideration or not depends on the amount of money that we're talking about here.

[6:36:44] Voice 19: So this is related to that, which is how much is this going to cost us on an annual basis to subsidize, essentially finance the ability of people to seek a tax exemption?

[6:37:00] Voice 19: And why is a tax exemption by itself not good enough?

[6:37:03] Voice 19: Why do we have to actually pay what everybody else would otherwise have to pay?

[6:37:09] Voice 19: And we still don't know what the policy guidelines are or the criteria would be.

[6:37:15] Voice 19: so i'm a little confused here correct um

[6:37:25] Voice 14: so uh director marler just reminded me on last term

[6:37:29] Voice 14: council did adopt guidelines to guide the decision making around the awarding of any

[6:37:33] Voice 14: um to guide executive committee and any awarding of funds this is really an enabling bylaw it

[6:37:37] Voice 14: would give you the powers to implement such a program should you wish to in the annual budget

[6:37:41] Voice 14: process of course you have the opportunity every year to decide whether or not to fund it

[6:37:45] Voice 14: this is quite this is enabling last year the decision of council was to put a thousand dollars

[6:37:49] Voice 14: in. We didn't have any

[6:37:51] Voice 14: applications, which was fortunate because we hadn't

[6:37:53] Voice 14: done a fourth reading, but really it would be

[6:37:55] Voice 14: at Council's discretion each year

[6:37:57] Voice 14: to what extent you wished to fund this

[6:37:59] Voice 14: activity and

[6:37:59] Voice 14: provide that support.

[6:38:00] Voice 14: The guidelines could make it available to

[6:38:03] Voice 14: different circumstances.

[6:38:06] Voice 14: If you wish,

[6:38:08] Voice 14: Director Marlowe, I think, was hunting

[6:38:09] Voice 14: to find those guidelines for you,

[6:38:10] Voice 14: but they were adopted by Council

[6:38:13] Voice 14: last term. Okay, thank you.

[6:38:17] Voice 36: Who's next on the speakers list? There you go.

[6:38:19] Voice 36: Laura Patrick. The intent

[6:38:23] Trustee Patrick: of this is that not everybody in these islands is wealthy, believe it or not. There are some

[6:38:30] Trustee Patrick: existing landowners who have been here for perhaps generations that are interested in doing

[6:38:38] Trustee Patrick: and protecting some of the land that they have looking around them. So that's what we've seen

[6:38:46] Trustee Patrick: in the past of some families that have been progressing and putting land in through to

[6:38:50] Trustee Patrick: to NAPTEC that are not wealthy, and that this gave the opportunity to at least help those that

[6:38:56] Trustee Patrick: want to do it.

[6:39:00] Voice 31: Yeah. Who's next? There you

[6:39:02] Voice 21: go. Thank you. Yeah, further on what Laura said,

[6:39:08] Voice 21: there's a couple of these on Burnley Island, and I think this is an incredible cheap way for us

[6:39:12] Voice 21: to get protected areas, a thousand bucks or something. Somebody else owns the land. Look

[6:39:18] Voice 21: at what we looked at today. That lunchtime cost two million dollars to protect 45 acres,

[6:39:23] Voice 21: and some of the best land on Hornby

[6:39:25] Voice 21: is under the NAPTAP program

[6:39:27] Voice 21: and people are very, very proud of it.

[6:39:29] Voice 21: So I think it's a very good thing.

[6:39:35] Voice 28: As a mover of the motion, I'm obviously in favour of it,

[6:39:39] Voice 28: but I just want to clarify some numbers.

[6:39:41] Voice 28: I do recognize that you are coming in

[6:39:44] Voice 28: at the end of this process without the background material

[6:39:47] Voice 28: and that would have been very helpful.

[6:39:50] Voice 28: But to give an idea of the kinds of values

[6:39:56] Voice 28: we're talking at, we looked at 64 acres on Gambier and determined that the actual tax savings

[6:40:05] Voice 28: that would be borne by the regional district, not by the Islands Trust,

[6:40:11] Voice 28: would be $300 per year on 64 acres. So the numbers, depending on where your local trust

[6:40:21] Voice 28: area is are very small in the overall NAPTAC impact this itself is very small numbers it's

[6:40:31] Voice 28: only specific people and reminder this is most people don't put their land in covenant for for

[6:40:38] Voice 28: tax benefit they're putting it in because they want to protect the biological integrity

[6:40:45] Voice 28: and do

[6:40:49] Voice 31: it in perpetuity with the funds they have.

[6:40:55] Voice 31: Okay, any other?

[6:40:58] Voice 24: Oh, David Marley, you want to?

[6:41:00] Voice 24: Yeah, I just wanted to provide the guidelines to you.

[6:41:03] Voice 24: I have them here, but I can't get them on the screen for you.

[6:41:05] Voice 24: So the guidelines are adopted by Council in September 2022,

[6:41:11] Voice 24: indicates conditions appropriate for executive committee sponsorship of NAPTA.

[6:41:15] Voice 24: So it's when an applicant is a non-profit agency

[6:41:18] Voice 24: or an organisation that is seeking to apply for NAPTEC for the benefit of the community at large.

[6:41:24] Voice 24: And it's consistent with the goals in the Islands Trust and Seven Sea Regional Conservation Plan.

[6:41:30] Voice 24: It's also an applicant submits a voluntary proposal that is protecting over eight hectares of land

[6:41:37] Voice 24: that also protects habitat for species at risk under the Federal Species at Risk Act.

[6:41:46] Voice 24: and again consistent with the regional conservation plan also it's for voluntary

[6:41:52] Voice 24: proposals that protect important indigenous cultural sites such as archaeological sites

[6:41:58] Voice 24: other culturally significant sites and it's a voluntary proposal to protect areas that mitigate

[6:42:05] Voice 24: climate change impacts or provide significant carbon storage and sequestration opportunities

[6:42:10] Voice 24: And where the board, through resolution, requires sponsorship of an apptip application.

[6:42:18] Voice 24: And if the board's making that resolution, it's very specific to where an error has been made,

[6:42:24] Voice 24: or to expand or modify an apptip, or where, again, there's some significant goals that having that sponsored would help with.

[6:42:34] Voice 24: So those are the main reasons. The guide just has a few more information in there.

[6:42:39] Voice 24: I can provide this to you by email, but that is a very limited reason for it.

[6:42:45] Voice 24: And again, it's just the sponsorship of the Islands Trust portion of the fee.

[6:42:50] Voice 24: Thank you.

[6:42:53] Voice 19: I'm glad your very last sentence there is somewhat clarifying in that, am I correct in inferring that what this really amounts to is forgiveness of the amount that they'd otherwise have to pay?

[6:43:10] Voice 19: like it's not an out-of-pocket cost to us it's a we're just not going to levy the fee that would

[6:43:15] Voice 19: otherwise we would put into the process when somebody applies for a nap tip is that right

[6:43:21] Voice 19: correct okay that helps a lot thank you thank

[6:43:25] Trustee Luckham: you very much david for that clarity any further

[6:43:28] Trustee Luckham: questions yes

[6:43:30] Voice 16: jamie harris online so i'm kind of hearing contradictory statements um laura

[6:43:37] Voice 16: Patrick mentioned people aren't wealthy, this helps them. But then Kate Louie, Trustee Stamford

[6:43:43] Voice 16: mentioned that the numbers aren't large for any savings. What I'm hearing from the community

[6:43:50] Voice 16: is that this is going to affect people that aren't involved in this program.

[6:43:58] Voice 16: They're going to have to take up the tax burden that people are going to be

[6:44:02] Voice 16: not paying because they're in this program. The other thing I'd like to say is that

[6:44:06] Voice 16: But we're just now finally starting to interpret the mandate as needing balance, and we've defined unique amenities.

[6:44:21] Voice 16: And this whole deal has been done years ago while the mandate has been unbalanced in many people's view.

[6:44:31] Voice 16: So for a whole number of reasons, I definitely am not in support of this at this stage, for sure.

[6:44:41] Voice 16: I'll leave it at that.

[6:44:44] Voice 43: All

[6:44:46] Trustee Luckham: right. Thank you very much, Trustee Harris.

[6:44:48] Trustee Luckham: It might be unfair, but Director Frater, can you address the actual cost to Gulf Islanders with respect to this in terms of orders of magnitude, I think only?

[6:45:03] Voice 14: I'll speak generally because I haven't actually looked at the numbers in a number of years.

[6:45:07] Voice 14: Generally, it's a matter of pennies.

[6:45:09] Voice 14: We understand per tax shift to the general taxpayer.

[6:45:13] Voice 14: And I think across the entire region, it's very small amounts per tax shift to individual landowners.

[6:45:20] Voice 14: I do not have the current numbers at hand, but that's what we used to discuss in the under $0.10 range.

[6:45:27] Voice 14: And

[6:45:27] Trustee Luckham: the significant piece of that is because that tax burden is spread across the entire regional district of any particular area.

[6:45:35] Voice 14: Yes. And of course, it depends on the individual you are speaking to.

[6:45:39] Voice 14: So I don't want to speak specifically. And my

[6:45:41] Voice 14: knowledge is a bit dated.

[6:45:42] Trustee Luckham: I just want to generalize that the impact is not significant.

[6:45:45] Trustee Luckham: So who's got a red light here?

[6:45:48] Trustee Luckham: I have a

[6:45:48] Trustee Luckham: question for what Staff Rader has just stated there.

[6:45:55] Voice 16: OK, go ahead with your question for Director.

[6:45:57] Voice 16: Thank you. Well, it's not for her, but it's from what she has stated. I'm very confused now from what I hear from Trustee Patrick saying that this is going to help people who aren't wealthy. And then I hear that, well, it's not actually going to be much.

[6:46:15] Voice 16: like she's using clarified it staff freighter has made made it more clear um as to what cape louis

[6:46:23] Voice 16: trustee stamford has mentioned about being not much money is involved so i'm really confused

[6:46:30] Voice 16: at this point um and again i don't see any balance here yeah

[6:46:35] Trustee Luckham: so it might actually be best for the a

[6:46:37] Trustee Luckham: conversation to happen offline although you know what council wants to hear the whole story we can

[6:46:43] Trustee Luckham: certainly have that here but i'll just go to director frader but certainly if you need more

[6:46:48] Trustee Luckham: clarity on this it'd be best to talk to staff over to director fair well

[6:46:52] Voice 14: um manager i mean

[6:46:53] Voice 14: it's just texas to let me know they've run the numbers um they're very low generally less than

[6:46:57] Voice 14: a penny per landowner except for search except for bowen island where it's calculated differently

[6:47:02] Voice 14: it's of course the provincial taxpayers pick up part of the burden as well which is helpful to

[6:47:08] Voice 14: the trust area also i'll add for trustee harris if you're interested in knowing what the potential

[6:47:13] Voice 14: savings are to any individual landowner, we do have a cost-benefit guide available on the website

[6:47:18] Voice 14: that interested applicants can look at to enter their own information and then determine what the

[6:47:23] Voice 14: likely savings that they might occur. So that's available online, and I can send that link out

[6:47:27] Voice 14: to anyone who's interested.

[6:47:29] Trustee Luckham: Okay, great. Thank you. And now, if we're lucky, the magic goes back

[6:47:33] Trustee Luckham: to Mary Bowen. You know, Daphne, well done. This is really working way better.

[6:47:40] Voice 4: um i i have concerns about this whole thing because i listened to the irons trust conservancy

[6:47:47] Voice 4: planning and they talk about the fact that basically we're creating an incredibly fragmented

[6:47:55] Voice 4: set of pieces of land some of which are quite small and are therefore removed from the land

[6:48:01] Voice 4: density where there are houses that people could use i'm not against preserving land i'm against

[6:48:07] Voice 4: preserving it in a very fragmented way, which creates a huge operational budget constraint.

[6:48:14] Voice 4: I mean, the Conservancy said that they would struggle to adopt more without more staff.

[6:48:22] Voice 4: That's one thing. I'm also hearing that the cost savings in terms of tax is not the reason that

[6:48:29] Voice 4: people do it. Well, then challenge that and say, we'll help you make the application,

[6:48:35] Voice 4: but there'll be no tax saving if you're doing it because you want the land covenanted just do it

[6:48:41] Voice 4: and i noticed on saturn i know that in the last um i think it was about 10 years ago there was

[6:48:48] Voice 4: a huge issue because 55 percent of saturn is conserved protected whatever way you want to

[6:48:55] Voice 4: describe it and the tax base was affected by that because parks canada plus were not paying

[6:49:01] Voice 4: their share so i do take the fact that as we shrink the tax base um no matter how how well

[6:49:10] Voice 4: you distribute it or how widely basically people are affected and perhaps some of the people

[6:49:16] Voice 4: affected are as poor as the people who were supporting to execute this strategy so i'm coming

[6:49:25] Voice 4: coming from that angle. I'm not against conservation, I'm not against preservation, but I'm not

[6:49:32] Voice 4: entirely sure that the way we're doing it is good and effective and going to be sustainable

[6:49:38] Voice 4: long term. Thanks.

[6:49:42] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. I'm going to go to Deb Morrison.

[6:49:45] Voice 38: So there's a couple of things we're talking about here, and I'm going to just respond

[6:49:51] Voice 38: to a couple of them but i also want to name that the the piece on the table that we're talking

[6:49:57] Voice 38: about is not about whether or not napteps are a thing that we're going to do that's already that's

[6:50:04] Voice 38: a different conversation that's not this conversation um this conversation's about

[6:50:08] Voice 38: whether we're going to actually provide some funding uh relief for those who meet a certain

[6:50:15] Voice 38: set of criteria i am all for this i am however given the conversation that's been put on the

[6:50:21] Voice 38: table here also going to say and really like beseech us to not reduce the resources of the

[6:50:30] Voice 38: trust area strictly to money because when we're talking about nap tap we're not talking solely

[6:50:37] Voice 38: about um the tax savings of an individual or any of that there is a community benefit for us we

[6:50:45] Voice 38: We just heard about it when we're talking about having protected forest cover in terms of infiltration and water.

[6:50:52] Voice 38: And there's a collective benefit for for conservation on lands across.

[6:50:58] Voice 38: And that is a much broader conversation that we can have ongoing.

[6:51:03] Voice 38: But that's not this conversation. So this conversation, I am all for the guidelines to provide relief for those who need it.

[6:51:12] Voice 38: And in a given moment, it's minuscule compared to the overarching amount of funding and relief that are funding and tax base that we're talking about.

[6:51:24] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Deb. You know, I'm only seeing one microphone on, so I think we'll go there.

[6:51:29] Trustee Luckham: But I really want to go to voting on what, as Deb Morrison has pointed out, the issue on the table here.

[6:51:34] Trustee Luckham: And there's a bigger conversation if you want to have it later on with respect to NAPTA.

[6:51:38] Trustee Luckham: To Kate Louise, and then I'd like to go to the vote.

[6:51:41] Trustee Luckham: Why

[6:51:41] Voice 28: don't we just go to the vote, and I can discuss NAPTEP until the cows come home.

[6:51:46] Voice 28: Thank you.

[6:51:48] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[6:51:49] Trustee Luckham: Although I do want to acknowledge that Tim Peterson has been waiting for some time and hasn't spoke at all yet.

[6:51:55] Trustee Luckham: But after Tim, I will go to the motion.

[6:52:00] Voice 46: Thank you, Chair.

[6:52:02] Voice 46: Trustee Morrison picked up on one of my points, which was we were straying into discussing the merits of the program itself

[6:52:09] Voice 46: and not the specifics of the motion before us.

[6:52:12] Voice 46: And I just want to say, I am in support of the motion before us.

[6:52:17] Voice 46: This is specific, this is not sponsoring a wide range of these.

[6:52:25] Voice 46: There's criteria.

[6:52:28] Voice 46: It would have been better if we got the criteria out for trustees along with this item.

[6:52:34] Voice 46: I think that would make it a little bit easier.

[6:52:36] Voice 46: But that's limited criteria.

[6:52:38] Voice 46: We're not talking about sponsoring everybody who wants to do this.

[6:52:41] Voice 46: and I'm in support of the motion.

[6:52:46] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[6:52:48] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[6:52:49] Trustee Luckham: Now, with regards to the motion that's on the floor,

[6:52:53] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Harris, I see your hand up.

[6:52:55] Trustee Luckham: Do you have some new information

[6:52:57] Trustee Luckham: with respect to the motion that's on the floor,

[6:52:59] Trustee Luckham: not the program?

[6:53:02] Voice 16: No, nothing new.

[6:53:04] Voice 31: Thank you then.

[6:53:05] Voice 31: I'm

[6:53:06] Trustee Luckham: going to go to the vote.

[6:53:07] Voice 31: If

[6:53:07] Trustee Luckham: we're ready, all those in favor.

[6:53:11] Trustee Luckham: Please lower your hands, those in favor.

[6:53:13] Trustee Luckham: And those opposed.

[6:53:14] Trustee Luckham: Opposed? Online? Looks like two online, opposed, and one in the room.

[6:53:23] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that carries. So thank you for that support for the NAPTEP program.

[6:53:28] Trustee Luckham: So we're now going to go to what I've now numbered as 11.2.5. Originally it was 2.4.

[6:53:34] Trustee Luckham: This is the Sonoranath First Nations Land Trust Working Group, RFD.

[6:53:38] Trustee Luckham: Now, Director Frater has advised me that this has not yet been approved by the minister,

[6:53:43] Trustee Luckham: And so this is a for information item at this point. It won't be a decision.

[6:53:48] Trustee Luckham: So, Trustee, Director, can you provide us that summary update on this and we'll continue on through the agenda.

[6:53:58] Voice 14: Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Chair.

[6:54:00] Voice 14: So this RFD was prepared in anticipation that we might have heard back from the minister with approval of the protocol agreement by now.

[6:54:06] Voice 14: And we haven't. So what I'm suggesting we do, we do expect to hear soon,

[6:54:11] Voice 14: is that maybe you could this will be up to the will of council i was i would suggest that perhaps

[6:54:15] Voice 14: you consider the recommendation and see if you're comfortable with it and then once we receive

[6:54:19] Voice 14: approval from the minister of the protocol agreement perhaps this decision could be taken

[6:54:23] Voice 14: by rwm um i know i i do receive fairly frequent inquiries from senalis about whether approval's

[6:54:28] Voice 14: been received so i think there's some keenness to get the working group started so that's the

[6:54:32] Voice 14: approach i would recommend um but subject to the will of council the alternative is to bring this

[6:54:37] Voice 14: this back to you in December for reconsideration.

[6:54:40] Trustee Luckham: Right. So thank you very much for highlighting

[6:54:42] Trustee Luckham: the point that there is potential for us to do this by RWM. And that means that there's no

[6:54:49] Trustee Luckham: discussion, right? And that it's administrative in nature. So if there's any questions that you

[6:54:55] Trustee Luckham: have that would entail a discussion, now is the time to ask them. And that indeed, by general

[6:55:01] Trustee Luckham: sort of consent, that there's no objection to doing this by RWM if it comes back from the

[6:55:05] Trustee Luckham: minister. Are there any questions at this time? I see Trustee Peterson's hand up. Thank you.

[6:55:13] Voice 46: Thank you, Chair. I missed a tiny little bit of that, but just speaking as a Liskety Island

[6:55:20] Voice 46: local trustee, we've been awaiting the minister's action on this. Our OCP project, we have

[6:55:29] Voice 46: put on hold essentially until this is in place so we can work with the nation.

[6:55:36] Voice 46: and i would i would strongly ask that we can get uh trustees to the point of

[6:55:45] Voice 46: um being comfortable with uh moving to an rwm um considering that minister hasn't uh

[6:55:53] Voice 46: finalized the protocol agreement and and so that we don't need to delay this process for the nation

[6:56:00] Voice 46: for the Mesquite Island Local Trust Committee

[6:56:03] Voice 46: and get this going as soon as humanly possible.

[6:56:07] Voice 46: It's actually been a long, drawn-out process

[6:56:11] Voice 46: with the minister's approval tacked on to our processes.

[6:56:17] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Tim.

[6:56:19] Trustee Luckham: And so we did talk about this prior when we approved the agreement itself.

[6:56:24] Trustee Luckham: So is there any questions of clarity that are necessary?

[6:56:28] Trustee Luckham: I see one right there, yeah.

[6:56:32] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[6:56:34] Voice 4: Acknowledging that it's not all about money, I just want to say, if you look at the

[6:56:41] Voice 4: organisational cost of this, I just want to put on the table that this is one initiative

[6:56:49] Voice 4: and four appointed trustees will attend. We need an administrative coordinator for 10 hours per

[6:56:58] Voice 4: meeting and there will be staff time allocated so i just wanted to acknowledge that if this

[6:57:05] Voice 4: takes off as a model and i don't think we can afford this and i'm not saying we shouldn't

[6:57:13] Voice 4: do this one but if it takes off and it becomes a norm then something has to go something has

[6:57:20] Voice 4: to break the province has to step up we can't just absorb this into our operational calls

[6:57:27] Voice 4: without actually highlighting it as a possible snowball.

[6:57:33] Voice 4: So, thank you.

[6:57:36] Voice 31: Understood. Thank you.

[6:57:41] Voice 31: Any

[6:57:41] Voice 36: other questions?

[6:57:43] Voice 36: All right. So, let's...

[6:57:45] Trustee Luckham: Oh, sorry. I can't see it.

[6:57:47] Voice 28: Well, hasn't the province already stepped up

[6:57:50] Voice 28: with the reconciliation grant

[6:57:53] Voice 28: that's to go to support protocol meetings?

[6:57:56] Voice 28: Is this potentially a candidate for that?

[6:57:59] Voice 28: And future protocols between LTCs and First Nations could be candidates.

[6:58:07] Voice 28: I mean, that's what the reconciliation grant, I believe, is for, if I'm not mistaken.

[6:58:15] Voice 28: It's a start.

[6:58:16] Voice 28: And I just want to acknowledge that the province has stepped up and we are deeply thankful because it's important work.

[6:58:23] Voice 31: Oh, yeah.

[6:58:26] Voice 31: Okay.

[6:58:27] Voice 38: It's me.

[6:58:27] Voice 38: I got red.

[6:58:30] Voice 38: Go for it.

[6:58:31] Voice 38: Okay.

[6:58:32] Voice 38: Okay. I actually have a different kind of logistical question about this.

[6:58:37] Voice 38: There's two folks from the executive on this.

[6:58:40] Voice 38: And if this takes off as a model, I'm a little concerned that you're going to have to clone yourselves.

[6:58:46] Voice 38: So is there a reason?

[6:58:49] Voice 38: Well, no, but Tim is a Lusketeer trustee, right?

[6:58:52] Voice 38: So having the two trustees from the local trust area, I understand that.

[6:58:57] Voice 38: But having two executives, that to me seems like a challenge from a long-term management perspective.

[6:59:04] Voice 38: Can I just get some clarity on why that was?

[6:59:06] Voice 36: Sure. I can address that, or the director could address it here.

[6:59:13] Voice 14: Certainly, I can start.

[6:59:14] Voice 14: So in this case, it was indicated that the chair of council would be useful to represent trust council in the working group.

[6:59:21] Voice 14: um a vice chair elliott um is there there's also an interest in gabriela and trustee elliott

[6:59:27] Voice 14: bridges between the conservancy board and executives it was felt that we could cover

[6:59:31] Voice 14: a span of interests with the selection of complemented particular individuals

[6:59:38] Trustee Luckham: yeah and the chair of the skidi and chair of the skidi but

[6:59:42] Voice 28: yeah understood this is not

[6:59:44] Voice 28: we can't phone ourselves yeah

[6:59:46] Trustee Luckham: and you know in terms of taking off we're actually talking about

[6:59:50] Trustee Luckham: one LTC at this point in time that might meet twice a year, certainly four times a year.

[6:59:58] Trustee Luckham: So certainly if it was more.

[7:00:00] Trustee Luckham: But we'll cross that bridge when we get there, I think.

[7:00:02] Trustee Luckham: I got this red light here.

[7:00:04] Trustee Luckham: Who has a red light?

[7:00:06] Voice 21: Me.

[7:00:06] Voice 21: Grant.

[7:00:08] Voice 21: Scott, over the corner.

[7:00:09] Voice 21: I'm with the needle.

[7:00:15] Voice 21: Okay, thank you.

[7:00:17] Voice 21: We talk about reconciliation.

[7:00:19] Voice 21: We talk about wanting to work with First Nations.

[7:00:21] Voice 21: Here's a really good opportunity to work with them, to learn alone, to have four people on there,

[7:00:29] Voice 21: and people from the executive what's even better because they're going to bring all that college

[7:00:33] Voice 21: back into the higher levels of the trust it'll hopefully filter down to the rest of us so i

[7:00:40] Voice 21: think this is a very good thing and i i like the four people that are on there i think they're

[7:00:45] Voice 21: the right people all right like that's the wrong word i uh uh uh uh uh so sorry you get the point

[7:00:56] Trustee Luckham: You got the point, right?

[7:00:57] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[7:00:59] Trustee Luckham: It's not a popularity contest, obviously.

[7:01:02] Trustee Luckham: And then let's go to the next speaker.

[7:01:03] Voice 19: Yeah, I'm supportive of this.

[7:01:05] Voice 19: I mean, Trustee Peterson's comments are, as far as I'm concerned, determinative.

[7:01:11] Voice 19: This is something they need over at Liskety.

[7:01:14] Voice 19: It's something that they think is a good thing.

[7:01:16] Voice 19: It's really mostly Liskety-centered.

[7:01:19] Voice 19: But the general comment that's emerged that we need to develop, I mean, better relations

[7:01:25] Voice 19: with First Nations, and, you know, if reconciliation means anything, it does mean you do start.

[7:01:31] Voice 19: And having said that, I think Trustee Bowen and Trustee Morrison both make important points

[7:01:37] Voice 19: that are all about the same thing, which is there are potential long-term consequences

[7:01:43] Voice 19: to how we go about doing First Nations engagement and cooperation like this.

[7:01:49] Voice 19: as Trustee Bowen has identified costs in terms of, frankly, cash and resource costs.

[7:01:56] Voice 19: Trustee Morrison has identified the cost in terms of the attention of people on the executive.

[7:02:02] Voice 19: Those things don't have to restrain us today, but we do need to be mindful

[7:02:07] Voice 19: that just because we approve it today doesn't necessarily mean this is a template that,

[7:02:13] Voice 19: oh, it's fine, we'll just do it another 50 times.

[7:02:16] Voice 19: No. The more you do it, it's going to have some cost ramifications, and we'll have to think about it.

[7:02:23] Voice 19: But we can think about it when we get to it, but let's be mindful about it.

[7:02:28] Voice 19: Thank you for that caution.

[7:02:30] Voice 22: Michael, Ben.

[7:02:31] Voice 22: I hope this is a snowball, because we need a snowball in regards to reconciliation.

[7:02:39] Voice 22: I look forward to setting up a working group with the Penelope Nation.

[7:02:43] Voice 22: You know, we can't come to these meetings, come to our local trust meetings and say, you know, start the meeting out with a nice feathery introduction.

[7:02:59] Voice 22: And then on September 30th, hang an orange T-shirt at the end of the road and think we're doing reconciliation.

[7:03:06] Voice 22: This is the next step in reconciliation, working directly with First Nations.

[7:03:13] Voice 22: So I will be doing everything I can to push this snowball down the road.

[7:03:20] Voice 22: Thank you, Ben.

[7:03:22] Trustee Luckham: Much appreciated. So I think we'll move on from...

[7:03:26] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Peterson, again, I want to move on, but you've got the floor.

[7:03:31] Voice 46: Just to the financial costs end of it, certainly if we are lucky enough to get a bunch of protocol agreements

[7:03:40] Voice 46: and a bunch of working groups going,

[7:03:45] Voice 46: then that'll be a perfect time for us to go

[7:03:47] Voice 46: and ask the province for more money.

[7:03:49] Voice 46: The province did give us $150,000

[7:03:52] Voice 46: directed towards protocol agreements and the like.

[7:03:57] Voice 46: And so therefore I don't actually have those,

[7:03:59] Voice 46: I don't share those worries about the money.

[7:04:03] Voice 46: The province gave us money earmarked for this kind of work.

[7:04:06] Voice 46: So I just wanted to point that out.

[7:04:07] Voice 46: Thank you.

[7:04:08] Voice 46: Thank

[7:04:11] Trustee Luckham: you, so I'm gonna move on.

[7:04:12] Trustee Luckham: That's a for information, and I don't see any objections to an RWM at this point, and so we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

[7:04:22] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to bravely go to the next item, which is the draft revised policy statement amendment project charter, version 6, with seven minutes remaining in the session.

[7:04:34] Trustee Luckham: And I'm a cook, and I smell the food cooking, and I know they want to serve it to us hot because that's what I want to do.

[7:04:42] Trustee Luckham: So I have no idea how long this conversation will take, but let's get it started.

[7:04:47] Trustee Luckham: And if we recess at 5.30, which I would like to do, then we'll pick it up in the morning.

[7:04:52] Trustee Luckham: Over to you, Director Frater.

[7:04:54] Voice 14: Thank you, Chair.

[7:04:55] Voice 14: I'm going to suggest I hope this is straightforward.

[7:04:58] Voice 14: Simply, we recognize the need to bring the project charter back to you because there's been a delay in the project,

[7:05:03] Voice 14: and we wanted to be clear about the impact that's had to your delivery of the timeline.

[7:05:07] Voice 14: So this project charter includes changes for the timeline.

[7:05:10] Voice 14: It also includes, in the scope of this project, a fairly modest increase in budget of, if I scroll down here, about $12,000 in next fiscal year.

[7:05:19] Voice 14: Those are the only two changes, so we're hoping that this is a fairly straightforward approval to a timeline and an increase to budget.

[7:05:28] Trustee Luckham: Perfect. Thank you, Director Freyder.

[7:05:31] Trustee Luckham: Any questions for the director on this amended project charter?

[7:05:36] Trustee Luckham: And then I'd be looking for a motion.

[7:05:38] Voice 31: Any questions? Susan Gates.

[7:05:40] Voice 31: Oh, somebody else has got it.

[7:05:46] Voice 31: Grant Scott, you

[7:05:46] Trustee Luckham: got in there first.

[7:05:47] Trustee Luckham: Good for you.

[7:05:50] Voice 21: Thank you.

[7:05:51] Voice 21: Having read this CAO's comments, it seems to me that I'm ready to make the motion.

[7:05:59] Voice 21: Go for it.

[7:06:01] Voice 21: That the Trust Council approve Policy Statement Amendment Project Charter V7.

[7:06:09] Trustee Luckham: Seconded by Trustee Yates.

[7:06:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so we have a motion on the floor.

[7:06:12] Trustee Luckham: Do you wish to speak to the motion?

[7:06:16] Trustee Luckham: Anybody else wish to speak to the motion?

[7:06:18] Trustee Luckham: we've got a red light where can we meet so it looks like Laura Patrick well done Daphne in

[7:06:28] Trustee Patrick: general I support this but there is some risk in that the changes that are being made to the

[7:06:35] Trustee Patrick: trust policy statement were directed by the previous trust council and so there is risk

[7:06:41] Trustee Patrick: because the current trust council hasn't seen or the new trustees that have joined haven't seen

[7:06:47] Trustee Patrick: the process and may or may not agree with the recommendations from the last one so

[7:06:53] Trustee Patrick: the process is interesting where we are and there is risk yeah

[7:06:59] Trustee Luckham: and there's lots of room for further

[7:07:02] Trustee Luckham: amendments but anyway director fader did you want to respond to that um

[7:07:06] Voice 14: yes certainly this is our

[7:07:07] Voice 14: best guess as to process at this time the draft will be made public we're anticipating in january

[7:07:13] Voice 14: to trust programs committee and trust programs committee provide a scope a suite of recommendations

[7:07:17] Voice 14: for changes that will come to trust council at which point we anticipate you'll schedule a

[7:07:22] Voice 14: special meeting and take all the time in the world that you need to make that document yours

[7:07:27] Voice 14: so we've we've plotted what time we think that might take but really once it arrives at this

[7:07:32] Voice 14: council table and you take a look at what we've drafted you'll then be able to take a look at did

[7:07:38] Voice 14: you agree with the direction of the last council what other changes do you think are needed and

[7:07:42] Voice 14: you can take the project in any direction then that you wish this charter represents the best

[7:07:46] Voice 14: guests we have at this time okay

[7:07:50] Trustee Luckham: i've got a couple of speakers and maybe i'll just brave those and

[7:07:54] Trustee Luckham: then i'm going to check in with you about our comfort level with going to uh moving it or

[7:07:59] Trustee Luckham: spin mode going to actually voting but to trustee peterson and then trustee flagg uh

[7:08:05] Trustee Luckham: uh

[7:08:08] Voice 46: thank you chair and uh thank you director freighter for the information that it's good

[7:08:14] Voice 46: to know that we are actually going to get our eyes on a draft in january certainly trust programs

[7:08:19] Voice 46: committee members have been um uh and eagerly anticipating having a look at the draft which

[7:08:26] Voice 46: will reflect as trustee patrick said the 32 resolutions from uh the previous trust council

[7:08:33] Voice 46: last year um and uh very happy to get our eyes on this and uh january i mean i only wish it could

[7:08:42] Voice 46: be a little sooner but january will do and uh i know that all my fellow members of the trust

[7:08:48] Voice 46: programs committee are also and probably everyone is uh eagerly anticipating that so thank you for

[7:08:54] Voice 46: that news uh uh director uh freighter yeah

[7:08:59] Trustee Luckham: thank you tim we didn't get a hundred percent of that

[7:09:01] Trustee Luckham: but i think that we could read between the lines that you were in support of advancing this so

[7:09:05] Trustee Luckham: now we'll go to uh trustee falk and then i also see trustee harris has oh his hand is down now

[7:09:12] Trustee Luckham: So, Trustee Falk,

[7:09:13] Voice 9: and then...

[7:09:15] Voice 9: Just a clarifying question first.

[7:09:18] Voice 9: On page 323, on the timeline there,

[7:09:22] Voice 9: if I'm reading it right,

[7:09:24] Voice 9: the First Nations are going to be going through

[7:09:26] Voice 9: an early engagement phase earlier than we will see it.

[7:09:34] Voice 9: And I was just wondering,

[7:09:35] Voice 9: are they reviewing and commenting on a version

[7:09:40] Voice 9: that is going to be changed

[7:09:42] Voice 9: or is in process of being changed?

[7:09:44] Voice 9: I just wondered why it wasn't the same time.

[7:09:48] Voice 9: Director Fader.

[7:09:49] Voice 14: So yes, that is happening now.

[7:09:51] Voice 14: So we have a draft

[7:09:51] Voice 14: and we've provided it to First Nations

[7:09:53] Voice 14: at a staff-to-staff level for comment.

[7:09:55] Voice 14: We've provided, as per council direction,

[7:09:57] Voice 14: we've provided capacity funding for that.

[7:09:59] Voice 14: In January, Trust Programs Committee

[7:10:01] Voice 14: will receive at once the draft,

[7:10:04] Voice 14: a concurrence table showing

[7:10:05] Voice 14: how every single change has come to be

[7:10:07] Voice 14: and what directed it.

[7:10:09] Voice 14: the 32 resolutions will itemize how that has all happened you will get a suite of communication

[7:10:14] Voice 14: materials to support your engagement with your communities and you will also get the comments

[7:10:18] Voice 14: from first nations to reflect on as you reflect with your communities on the draft so it can

[7:10:23] Voice 14: arrive as a totality and then from there you'll have all the information you need to then

[7:10:27] Voice 14: contemplate what further changes you need thank

[7:10:32] Voice 36: you so i want to go to who's got a microphone

[7:10:38] Voice 31: And

[7:10:38] Trustee Luckham: then if you want to click your button, Trustee Falk, we'll come back to you.

[7:10:44] Voice 36: Oh, we've lost.

[7:10:48] Voice 36: So, Trustee Falk.

[7:10:50] Voice 9: Yeah, it's an efficiency thing.

[7:10:56] Voice 9: The order that people make comment on a draft, I just don't want any group to be wasting time.

[7:11:06] Voice 9: So if somebody's commenting earlier than another group is commenting and the version has changed in between because of comments coming in, I don't know.

[7:11:16] Voice 9: That doesn't quite make sense to me. I don't know.

[7:11:19] Voice 9: Can you help clarify that, Director Fader?

[7:11:24] Voice 14: Yes, this is the approach that really all governments are moving to now, trying to do this early engagement with this project.

[7:11:30] Voice 14: we're actually hearing from some nations they're they're contemplating and ask that you stop the

[7:11:34] Voice 14: whole project because they want to help you design the process by which you undertake it so this is

[7:11:38] Voice 14: really seen as an interim measure um because nations are wanting to work with you at the

[7:11:43] Voice 14: design process should you do it how do you do it how do they work with you and they want to work

[7:11:48] Voice 14: with you very collegially and in a very integrated manner i would suggest this isn't even meeting

[7:11:54] Voice 14: many of the expectations that we're hearing so we're in we're in a change in how we do our work

[7:11:58] Voice 14: and how we collaborate and work in cooperation.

[7:12:01] Voice 14: That part of the object is that in cooperation piece.

[7:12:03] Voice 14: So you'll see this at your local trust committee too

[7:12:06] Voice 14: as we work towards OCPs and land use bylaws.

[7:12:09] Voice 14: We're certainly hearing from nations.

[7:12:10] Voice 14: They want to work with us at a very early stage

[7:12:12] Voice 14: of this policy development,

[7:12:14] Voice 14: and they really want a strong voice at your table

[7:12:17] Voice 14: around these land use decisions.

[7:12:19] Voice 14: So this is the method we've come up with now,

[7:12:22] Voice 14: and I'm in the position of not quite pleasing anyone,

[7:12:24] Voice 14: which hopefully means we're on the right track

[7:12:26] Voice 14: at this for this particular point of this project you

[7:12:37] Voice 31: turned your mic off

[7:12:38] Voice 38: and if

[7:12:39] Trustee Luckham: that was intended

[7:12:39] Trustee Luckham: or not over to here and

[7:12:41] Voice 38: trustee evans might be able to add to this as well um but just coming

[7:12:46] Voice 38: out of last term one of the challenges um as the this this project was um large and complex to put

[7:12:55] Voice 38: it mildly um and coming out of last term one of the decisions was to uh document all of the

[7:13:04] Voice 38: trustees revisions for the draft that had been at that point

[7:13:08] Voice 31: to

[7:13:09] Voice 38: put them forward for incorporation

[7:13:12] Voice 38: in a new draft and for that to go forward for consultation um in some way to be able to then

[7:13:18] Voice 38: then pull all the feedback together so that this council could see everything together.

[7:13:24] Voice 38: And then when we see it, we're not commenting on it.

[7:13:28] Voice 38: We literally get to make decisions on what the next steps are to take.

[7:13:31] Voice 38: And so we have all the information in front of us to be able to think that through.

[7:13:35] Voice 38: And the Trust Programs Committee would do that first.

[7:13:41] Voice 9: Yeah, my concern is that the First Nations may be getting a disadvantage from it.

[7:13:50] Voice 9: And I understand that they're trying to get an advantage, but if they're discussing something and we are now in the advantage stage, like you just explained, because we have all the information, we have all the comments, and we can sort of work it like that.

[7:14:04] Voice 9: So we're keeping ourselves in control, it seems like.

[7:14:08] Voice 9: I don't know.

[7:14:09] Voice 9: If we're going to collaborate and work together, I think we should be sitting down together and actually doing it together at the same time on the same document, not variations of the iteration of the document.

[7:14:21] Voice 9: Does that make sense?

[7:14:23] Voice 9: The revisions, if you're going to be part of it, if you're commenting on a document that isn't revised fully yet and somebody else revises it further after you've commented, your comment might not be very relevant anymore.

[7:14:39] Voice 9: I don't know. I just it seems like a clumsy way to achieve an opportunity for the First Nations to actually get in early.

[7:14:53] Trustee Luckham: OK, I'm going to take that as a comment and I'm going to go to Trustee Evans.

[7:15:01] Voice 31: Oh, Trustee Evans, Daphne.

[7:15:08] Voice 31: I've got the red mic now.

[7:15:10] Voice 31: Oh, well, I

[7:15:11] Voice 1: don't know how that happened.

[7:15:19] Voice 31: further down the table daphne f and seven one too many okay okay now

[7:15:31] Trustee Luckham: we've got a green light

[7:15:32] Trustee Luckham: red lights off okay

[7:15:35] Voice 18: i think i've got the red light now

[7:15:36] Trustee Luckham: okay good thank you okay

[7:15:38] Voice 18: so i'm gonna try and

[7:15:39] Voice 18: so i had my own comments to make and i think my first comment was this has gone out to first

[7:15:45] Voice 18: nations for their comments based on the previous trust council the previous trust council is no

[7:15:49] Voice 18: no longer in session. It's the new trust council. The new trust council still hasn't seen the

[7:15:56] Voice 18: document. The new trust council can take this in a completely different direction. However,

[7:16:00] Voice 18: this has been given to First Nations for early engagement. My question, and

[7:16:08] Voice 31: they may completely

[7:16:09] Voice 31: change everything that's in this version. And

[7:16:19] Voice 18: as long as that is really clear, I have absolutely

[7:16:22] Voice 18: no issue with them having early engagement as long as we're crystal clear in the process and

[7:16:29] Voice 18: then once we have their their comments because their comments are going to be valuable to us

[7:16:34] Voice 18: as we look and as we decide what are the key elements that we need to change in the policy

[7:16:42] Voice 18: statement we've done our vision work we've done our mandate and object clarification but we're

[7:16:49] Voice 18: in a good place now we are working the coming together on on this and actually getting something

[7:17:00] Voice 18: good to put out back to first nations for further engagement going back to our communities and

[7:17:06] Voice 18: saying hey let's work with you again like this is this we're getting closer so i'm hoping for

[7:17:14] Voice 18: for DAG, that this is, I know we're not sitting at the same table physically, but this is early.

[7:17:22] Voice 18: Like, you're right at the open gate. Like, we're walking through it. You're actually walking

[7:17:27] Voice 18: through the open gate before we get there. So I'm hoping that that's going to go a long way.

[7:17:36] Voice 31: I think we should recess.

[7:17:39] Trustee Luckham: And I think that any opportunity you have to talk to staff would be

[7:17:43] Trustee Luckham: terrific and with each other be terrific but let's recess no i don't i'm

[7:17:54] Voice 31: sorry you'll have

[7:17:55] Voice 31: to use the microphone i can't hear you

[7:17:58] Voice 33: okay okay

[7:18:03] Voice 28: as we close i i just want to have a statement so

[7:18:06] Voice 28: close and i i just want to say a little thing about what happened this morning

[7:18:13] Voice 36: okay so you're way ahead of me

[7:18:15] Trustee Luckham: because i have some remarks as well so um on this topic that's

[7:18:20] Trustee Luckham: on the table um we can recess we don't need to defer we don't need to do anything else we just

[7:18:25] Trustee Luckham: recess and pick it up tomorrow do i have some consensus general consensus to do that okay so

[7:18:33] Trustee Luckham: sue ellen you can pick us up in the morning

[7:18:41] Trustee Luckham: excellent okay remind me of that um so before we go for dinner i'll come back to you you can add

[7:18:50] Trustee Luckham: accordingly so you know what council we've had a great day today there's been some really good

[7:18:55] Trustee Luckham: work particularly around the vision statement and with the uh the framework for the uh corporate

[7:19:04] Trustee Luckham: plan and then of course the previous day on the section three

[7:19:08] Voice 31: we are doing once you've concluded

[7:19:17] Voice 14: your chair comments i have a further comment to advise council before we close off the day thank

[7:19:21] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. We've had an amazing day. There was a bit of a rough ride there and trust the

[7:19:31] Trustee Luckham: Bernardo and I have had a little conversation, but I think we need to, as we move forward,

[7:19:37] Trustee Luckham: give each other a bit more space and time and apply our rationale for decision-making

[7:19:44] Trustee Luckham: fairly across the entire spectrum, because we have a little issue the day before as well,

[7:19:50] Trustee Luckham: But, you know, we've ended up in a good place. It's not to say, and I'll just tip my hat here, that the decision that we made at noon today, which was rushed, and trustees may have had time to consider the way that they voted, the opportunity exists for us to reconsider that vote.

[7:20:08] Trustee Luckham: and you know i think that maybe that might bring more people on side or maybe it would just get

[7:20:15] Trustee Luckham: rejected but i think that it would be a potential and so i'm going to leave that to anybody that

[7:20:21] Trustee Luckham: wants to reconsider that motion which simply means we put it back on the table and we re-vote on it

[7:20:27] Trustee Luckham: and you will have had plenty of time to think about it and in fact right there i believe is

[7:20:32] Trustee Luckham: the wording that we've adopted so um that's just my closing thoughts we've had some terrific time

[7:20:39] Trustee Luckham: together and uh kate louis stanford do you have anything to add nothing

[7:20:45] Voice 28: to add that was exactly

[7:20:47] Voice 28: what i was trying to get up

[7:20:48] Trustee Luckham: thank you director fader you have a closing remark yes

[7:20:54] Voice 14: thank you um

[7:20:55] Voice 14: you'll notice in your agenda package that one of the next items that's coming up for trust area

[7:20:58] Voice 14: services is about the 50th anniversary um somehow the actual attachment to the briefing didn't find

[7:21:04] Voice 14: its way and you scribe to your agenda so we'll send that out tonight so you have an opportunity

[7:21:08] Voice 14: to have a look at the ideas that have been incubating and then you can read that overnight

[7:21:11] Voice 14: and it's perfect that will now be on your agenda tomorrow all

[7:21:13] Trustee Luckham: right so that's why we're not getting

[7:21:15] Trustee Luckham: to that agenda item today because we don't have the materials so thank you for that and everybody

[7:21:20] Trustee Luckham: everybody. Thank you for a terrific day. Let's go have dinner.