Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, December 14, 2023

[0:00:02] Voice 13: okay good morning everyone uh

[0:00:04] Voice 9: i'd like to call this

[0:00:06] Voice 13: meeting of the salt spring island local

[0:00:08] Voice 13: trust committee to order um

[0:00:10] Voice 9: be aware that we're live streaming and recording uh recording of the

[0:00:14] Voice 13: meeting we've posted on the

[0:00:16] Voice 9: island's trust website in the next few days probably early next week

[0:00:19] Voice 9: end of the week i want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:27] Voice 13: on the traditional territory of first salish peoples and to acknowledge their

[0:00:34] Voice 13: presence here for since time immemorial and uh we're

[0:00:38] Voice 9: respectful of that

[0:00:41] Voice 9: um my name is tim peterson i'm elected on the sea island i'm the chair of the salt spring island

[0:00:47] Voice 9: local trust committee

[0:00:48] Voice 13: uh with me in person today is uh trustee laura patrick and joining us online

[0:00:55] Voice 13: line is trustee jamie harris and together we're the saltsburg island local trust committee

[0:01:01] Voice 13: uh with

[0:01:02] Voice 9: us today also are gary holman and eric rook from the capital regional district and the

[0:01:08] Voice 9: llc and sarah sugar is our minute taker chris hutton is our regional planning manager and

[0:01:14] Voice 9: rob ingalls is clerk and helps us with our technology this meeting is an official forum

[0:01:20] Voice 9: for the local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and to discuss

[0:01:25] Voice 9: relevant business.

[0:01:27] Voice 13: I just

[0:01:28] Voice 9: want to remind everyone this is also a place

[0:01:30] Voice 13: of employment and our staff

[0:01:31] Voice 13: have the right to a safe and respectful workplace. We will have a town hall and that's your

[0:01:38] Voice 13: opportunity to speak. Let me hear your questions and comments and we'll get there shortly. But

[0:01:48] Voice 13: But first, we have an agenda before us.

[0:01:53] Voice 13: Is there any amendments to the agenda from trustees this morning?

[0:01:59] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:02:03] Voice 6: Oh, that's right.

[0:02:06] Voice 6: Okay,

[0:02:08] Voice 13: so we'll take it by general consent that we'll include the addendum in the agenda today.

[0:02:16] Voice 13: So our next item of business is town hall and questions.

[0:02:20] Voice 13: i just want to remind

[0:02:21] Voice 9: everyone to um speak to the issues not personalities to use respectful

[0:02:27] Voice 9: language and uh and to to be brief but uh depending on how many people uh want to speak

[0:02:35] Voice 9: and i'll look for a show of hands um so maybe choose to use a timer just to help us expedite our

[0:02:43] Voice 9: business and keep things moving so um hands of people that would like to address the committee

[0:02:49] Voice 9: this morning one okay so quite a few so i'm going to start with uh three minutes per speaker and um

[0:03:01] Voice 9: i'll call on

[0:03:01] Voice 13: you one at a time i usually just start from one end of the

[0:03:05] Voice 13: room and and work across and um so with that i'm going to start over on on this side of the room

[0:03:13] Voice 13: today? May you, sir?

[0:03:18] Voice 11: Speak from here? Okay. My name is John Davies.

[0:03:23] Voice 13: By way of context,

[0:03:24] Voice 13: I happen to be a lawyer, but I'm not here in that capacity. I'm here on my own dime.

[0:03:29] Voice 13: By way of context, also, I have worked as a file enforcement officer and a community planner,

[0:03:35] Voice 13: so I have been a favorite for all sides. I haven't been a elected politician.

[0:03:49] Voice 13: I'm here to speak to Salty Dog and his youth very briefly.

[0:03:57] Voice 13: We live in an era, I grew up in an era where the first 25 years of my life we could build

[0:04:04] Voice 13: treaty whatever we like to live in uh homestead problem and basically we were able to make our

[0:04:12] Voice 13: own way now we find everybody has to come to the government after everything which is the way it

[0:04:19] is but within government we also have technical people

[0:04:22] Voice 13: executive people and legislative people

[0:04:26] Voice 13: i became concerned reading the staff record with all the respect for staff i felt the tone was

[0:04:32] Voice 13: somewhat prosecutorial kind of an indictment and also not deferential to the legislative people who

[0:04:40] Voice 13: really have to feel free to use all sources of information that come to them

[0:04:45] Voice 13: and not feel bound by a strong staff recommendation that they're somehow breaking the

[0:04:51] Voice 13: law if they if they don't decide according to the staff to me that's

[0:04:57] Voice 13: like i'm not speaking

[0:05:00] Voice 13: speaking personalities but sitting for approximate we find we live in where we find technocratic

[0:05:06] Voice 13: organizations how to live our lives and how we must interpret information and what we must do

[0:05:14] Voice 13: so i'm very sympathetic to the conversation i'm coming from from my friend neil and i would really

[0:05:21] Voice 13: like the legislators here to rethink this and

[0:05:27] Voice 11: give it full consideration and

[0:05:31] Voice 11: feel free to question what's in the staff report even and not

[0:05:36] Voice 13: just follow our recommendation thank

[0:05:38] Voice 13: you okay thank you for that and moving from the side of the room did i see more hands

[0:05:45] Voice 13: from this side okay i'll go right to you in the back there

[0:05:52] Voice 13: Hi, my name is Simon Chamblee. I arrived a few years ago on Salt Spring and it was quite a difficult living as I'm kind of more or less marginal.

[0:06:04] And when I used

[0:06:09] Voice 13: to be at this older location of the road, they opened

[0:06:13] Voice 11: their door to me with my condition that was quite challenging at the time.

[0:06:20] And they offered me a place where I can grow and work on this island for different people that are needs elderly and so on.

[0:06:32] Voice 13: and they helped me quite a lot. You know I got a dog through them that is now my companionship

[0:06:40] and I'm really thankful that they were there because everyone is really challenging

[0:06:47] and you know I bring their support

[0:06:51] Voice 13: to them because without them we're a bit screwed.

[0:06:55] Voice 13: you know if i want to visit my family in uh in the east where i put my dog you know

[0:07:01] Voice 13: uh someone victoria they've been they operate under affordable costs or different services

[0:07:09] but i think it is essential to this island for several people that needs to go to an appointment

[0:07:15] mental violence and to go

[0:07:17] Voice 11: elsewhere and to get out and we have no services such like that here

[0:07:23] so my accent for them they open my because of them and follow up around now i'm working for

[0:07:30] this for different places on this island caretaker for different properties and doing pretty well but

[0:07:36] it takes me takes a first step and we don't or we have a few places that open their doors

[0:07:42] to people that are challenged you

[0:07:45] Voice 13: know they receive sometimes people that they have mental

[0:07:48] Voice 13: health issues and they say well come we'll help you give you a first step and then get to be known

[0:07:54] Voice 11: by the committee in general and that's what happened to me i got to a friend of the police

[0:07:59] Voice 11: elsewhere and then now i'm doing pretty good i've got a system in the car i can do pretty good on

[0:08:06] myself even with little work so yeah that's my best advice to hopefully for the trustee

[0:08:15] don't accept at least you can really tell you peace to see where this could go it could bring

[0:08:21] some things better for design even it's still under development but i think it is

[0:08:30] good to give it a pitch and give some other people chances

[0:08:34] Voice 13: to grab the chance that i have

[0:08:37] Voice 13: and so the people that i live there that they rely on the channel that channel

[0:08:41] Voice 11: brings a place

[0:08:42] Voice 11: to stay and also to work exchange there's more than just a cable so i can hear that you help

[0:08:48] Voice 11: people through different

[0:08:49] Voice 13: services this is for my

[0:08:52] Voice 13: point thank you very much thank you good work

[0:08:56] Voice 13: right on three minutes

[0:08:57] Voice 9: um also right in the back and then i'll start coming forward

[0:09:03] Voice 13: hi my name is jennifer ashley and i'm here a couple of years old full-time

[0:09:08] Trustee Patrick: to fix the family

[0:09:10] Trustee Patrick: going to get my elderly mother here and it's been a real struggle with my old dogs my young dog and

[0:09:17] Trustee Patrick: i didn't know there was a kennel available i found them by my little uh

[0:09:21] Voice 13: chihuahua breaking

[0:09:22] Voice 13: breaking out one day and somebody found him and taking him to salty dog was the other salty dog

[0:09:27] Voice 13: at that time and through the exchange we found each other you know i was panicking because it

[0:09:33] Voice 13: couldn't be

[0:09:33] Trustee Patrick: made and i found him he'd been cared for you know free of charge just so well looked

[0:09:40] Trustee Patrick: after and he has secret he's really old 16 now and i discovered that if the spca had taken him

[0:09:46] Trustee Patrick: he would have been put down i wouldn't have known where to find him either you know just in the

[0:09:50] Trustee Patrick: the chaos of moving and really moving a little person and whatnot and I discovered that they

[0:09:55] Trustee Patrick: have a daycare and for me it is a blessing because you know between working and trying to organize

[0:10:00] Voice 13: things I really need that service

[0:10:02] Trustee Patrick: and I value that service and I also go back and forth to

[0:10:07] Trustee Patrick: Victoria quite often and or Duncan or the part of the island and I need the babysitting service

[0:10:13] Voice 13: for four nights and they even taken my my two elderly chickens my two elderly hens you know

[0:10:19] Voice 13: baby sort of carrier to look after them for me and help look at my pet you know at home it's

[0:10:25] Voice 13: been a really wonderful service beyond you know uh what most people do and very affordable and

[0:10:32] Voice 13: i also noted too when i was there at one point they had a poodle it was i asked who's poodle

[0:10:37] Voice 13: was that you know somebody had had to spend some time in jail and so the police from victoria

[0:10:44] Voice 13: brought the dogs to jamie and she does it with an open heart it's basically affirmations and

[0:10:52] Voice 13: you know the price cost i like for someone like me especially it's trying to patch a life together

[0:10:57] Voice 13: for my my family you know it's it's so meetable and it's just so i don't know even the class of

[0:11:04] Voice 13: be there but you know i can't afford to take my mom's always too victorious

[0:11:08] Voice 13: so i really hope that we can keep this this cat on it's the only one here and the only daycare

[0:11:17] Voice 13: and rescue center and yes i've seen some good stories of people that have gone through marriage

[0:11:22] Voice 13: that have had nothing and given a second chance at having a good life and a good start and the

[0:11:29] Voice 13: we're okay for so it's very valuable for our community i really hope that you consider

[0:11:34] Voice 13: allowing them to stay in business hey thank you and then more hands stay in the back here and

[0:11:45] Voice 13: then i'll come up to you um i would like to offer my spot in the order there's a professional here

[0:11:51] Voice 13: that might be on the block and it may be more effective or efficient to let him go ahead of me

[0:11:58] i would just say that i'm gradually positive

[0:12:03] space

[0:12:03] Voice 13: management plan for some job and then you're available for questions okay

[0:12:10] Voice 13: um do you want to go ahead with your thoughts okay sure thanks um so my name is ian peace

[0:12:19] and i'm here um on behalf of the water preservation society and i'd like to speak to this file number

[0:12:26] that's on the agenda today pretty sure it's on take 6500

[0:12:30] Voice 3: -20 the water sustainability

[0:12:33] Voice 3: portion of the agenda it's about proof of water on subdivision and i think i understood from the

[0:12:42] agenda that it's up for decision today and i would like to you know support the staff recommendation

[0:12:49] that the trustees endorse this proof of water change in the bylaw and I'd like to speak directly

[0:12:59] to the change that's listed in the agenda that

[0:13:06] Voice 3: would be the change to the bylaw where it says

[0:13:08] Voice 3: that no longer for the purpose of subdivision would developers be able to claim like frame

[0:13:16] water attachment desalination and dug wells and maybe other things that could be used as

[0:13:22] proof of water and i think that the most important element of this in the bylaw is that that's for

[0:13:30] subdivision only if somebody buys a lot on some subdivided property they still have the option

[0:13:39] of

[0:13:40] Voice 3: trying to rely on rainwater attachment or all these other things to come up with their water.

[0:13:46] Voice 3: But at the subdivision stage, when planners and others are very interested in what is the

[0:13:53] Voice 3: amount of groundwater available in that area, I think it's very important to harmonize and

[0:14:00] Voice 3: normalize methods for determining proof of water so that they align with other jurisdictions. It's

[0:14:08] picked up a little bit and i think what's happened in the past is that in

[0:14:13] Voice 3: areas where there's a

[0:14:15] Voice 3: shortage of brown potter certain professionals certainly not all of them but certain professionals

[0:14:19] Voice 3: may be kind of fast and loose with what would be other ways to show that there is sufficient water

[0:14:26] Voice 3: that might

[0:14:27] Voice 13: not be valuable which would leave you know the public in the bag on that so that's

[0:14:33] pretty much uh what i have to say about that i think it's a good idea and i would urge the

[0:14:39] trustees to support and endorse uh staff representation regarding group of waters

[0:14:45] Voice 13: okay thank you and so back over here in the hat hi my name is melanie and this is my husband

[0:15:00] Voice 13: years

[0:15:01] Voice 4: ago we're here to support jamie years ago we adopted a dog named fred and from the get-go

[0:15:07] Voice 4: eight weeks old it was what they called fearful aggressive this is fred uh fred from about eight

[0:15:16] Voice 4: months old to about 12 years old never had a friend bit everybody he knew our family friends

[0:15:22] Voice 4: friends, everybody. We moved to the island, got in touch with Jamie for doggy daycare

[0:15:26] Voice 13: as we opened the restaurant. And the first day Jamie picked Fred up, there was a ton

[0:15:32] Voice 4: of dogs in the back of the car. And I said, Jamie, this can't happen. He doesn't get along

[0:15:38] Voice 4: with dogs. And she goes, don't worry, I got it. And from the get, I'm going to cry. From

[0:15:42] Voice 4: the get go, she just knew Fred. Like she knew him. She, he

[0:15:49] Voice 13: was surrounded by a pack of dogs

[0:15:52] Voice 13: She took him in for hospice care.

[0:15:55] Voice 13: We called her our angel.

[0:15:57] Voice 13: She really was an angel.

[0:15:59] Voice 13: And she did this.

[0:16:00] Voice 13: This wasn't about, I mean, if people talk about it, it wasn't about money.

[0:16:03] Voice 13: This is about what she does and what she loves to do.

[0:16:05] Voice 13: We don't know about all the other issues that way.

[0:16:08] Voice 13: But we can talk about Jamie's what, sorry, makes the time special and what makes it the place that we want to live.

[0:16:15] Voice 13: and uh just a month sorry just a month ago i

[0:16:20] Voice 3: found a dog running around

[0:16:21] Trustee Patrick: yeah yeah i was just

[0:16:23] Trustee Patrick: quickly driving i am not a dog person i just i know i'm here for salty dogs and the cat person

[0:16:28] Trustee Patrick: i i saw this

[0:16:29] Voice 7: dog was pouring rain i didn't know what to do i put him in the back of my car i

[0:16:33] Voice 7: called jamie literally not only did she know who the dog was it was rambo but she was at my house

[0:16:40] Voice 7: in 20 minutes i don't even know what was going on during her day but she literally drew and we're

[0:16:46] Voice 7: not even best friends i mean she dropped everything the island needs this woman please please let her

[0:16:52] Voice 13: all we're asking for with all the issues and understanding issues is that we work towards

[0:16:57] Voice 13: finding a creative solution to keep jamie here uh who desperately no one else is doing this

[0:17:04] Voice 13: and she loves doing it and we should find a way to let her keep her because no one's getting hurt

[0:17:10] Voice 13: a lot of people are getting help. A lot of people are getting help. Thank you.

[0:17:17] Voice 13: And then give us some more hands over here. Yeah, right here.

[0:17:23] Voice 13: Hi,

[0:17:24] Voice 4: my name is Olga. I apologize, I have to have a accent. I'm Ukrainian, I'm sorry. And when I

[0:17:31] Voice 1: met

[0:17:31] Voice 4: with this guy, my husband is a teacher, so he is always telling me I should stop talking.

[0:17:38] Voice 4: Okay, so I'm sorry,

[0:17:40] Voice 4: I will speak slowly.

[0:17:42] Voice 4: I grew up in Soviet Union, where there's only law,

[0:17:47] Voice 4: one law, we have to obedient, we have to listen,

[0:17:49] Voice 4: you open your mouth, you're punished.

[0:17:51] Voice 4: So when we come to Canada, we were so happy,

[0:17:55] Voice 4: you can talk and KGB don't come and say,

[0:17:58] Voice 4: you can do stuff.

[0:17:59] Voice 4: And when we moved to Southern Spring Island,

[0:18:02] Voice 4: life's a paradise, people so nice,

[0:18:05] Voice 4: they help each other, doesn't matter,

[0:18:07] Voice 4: a stranger can come and help you and uh i was um a wildlife rescue for a long time in in vancouver

[0:18:15] Voice 4: so i know how reminded people are doing something for nature for for animal it's terrible and when

[0:18:23] Voice 4: you look at your website and i follow you it's so amazing what you're doing you're doing conservation

[0:18:29] Voice 4: you're singing about nature about future about every source of water it's absolutely amazing

[0:18:35] Voice 4: And I read all these hundred pages of your plan, what you're saying is broken now.

[0:18:41] Voice 4: So it says, please don't amend it, please do, but you are in power to do some decision to implement all together.

[0:18:51] Voice 4: Unfortunately, so what happened now, so in the future, so we can find decision for our society to have this amazing service.

[0:19:00] Voice 4: I grew up from Ukraine to those and then from Warsaw.

[0:19:03] Voice 4: zone. Can you believe how stressed they are? They're terrified. And a very expensive trainer

[0:19:09] Voice 4: for a couple of months tried to help, and she said, oh, they don't help. They have an issue.

[0:19:16] Voice 4: We cannot do it. Give it away. And you know, don't not lie. People can lie. Don't never lie.

[0:19:22] Voice 4: I give it to Jamie. One week a month, I have to be in Vancouver. I have a very good, sorry,

[0:19:27] Voice 4: Yeah, almost done with his service.

[0:19:30] Voice 4: And every week we're coming to Jamie.

[0:19:34] Voice 4: They show me the loudest place.

[0:19:38] Voice 4: It's not about license,

[0:19:39] Voice 4: it's about higher education

[0:19:41] Voice 4: or whatever trainer we have.

[0:19:43] Voice 4: A lady who's seen that,

[0:19:44] Voice 4: who blame Jamie for everything,

[0:19:47] Voice 4: I want her business.

[0:19:48] Voice 4: I wouldn't give her my doctorate

[0:19:49] Voice 4: because she hurt somebody to get business.

[0:19:52] Voice 4: It's unbelievable.

[0:19:53] Voice 4: But believe me,

[0:19:55] Voice 4: no but i call as here the animals share with and there's a dog on their arm nobody come we're not

[0:20:01] Voice 4: gonna come from victoria to get the dog so it's only hope for island in jenny your open heart

[0:20:07] Voice 4: your willingness to serve society and you are meeting people you're trusting who working for

[0:20:13] Voice 4: us you're not working for people you're not working for progress you're working for people

[0:20:18] Voice 4: and salt spring is my home now it's absolutely amazing place so let's do this place better

[0:20:25] Voice 4: with the love to each other. Tell me before Christmas, I'm begging you. Thank you very much for your patience.

[0:20:32] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:20:33] Voice 4: Slava, you're great. Cheers.

[0:20:37] Voice 9: And let's see some more hands.

[0:20:39] Voice 11: Yes, here in the front.

[0:20:44] Voice 11: Hi, I'm Rafi Kavoukian. Most of you know me as a person. I usually say it kind of rings, but I'm here in support of Salty Dog Retreat.

[0:20:55] Voice 11: my friend Jamie

[0:20:59] Voice 11: my dog Luna

[0:21:00] Voice 11: goes to Jamie's daycare

[0:21:02] Voice 11: three or four days a week

[0:21:04] Voice 11: what I want to say is that

[0:21:07] Voice 11: we have a community of 12,000 people

[0:21:09] Voice 11: I think it's reasonable

[0:21:11] Voice 11: to think that one kennel

[0:21:13] Voice 11: would be a good idea

[0:21:16] Voice 11: for an island

[0:21:18] Voice 11: of dog lovers

[0:21:20] Voice 11: not just any kennel

[0:21:22] Voice 11: but one that's run by a woman

[0:21:24] Voice 11: whose heart is as big as the world

[0:21:26] Voice 11: And I've heard stories from people about how Jamie has helped their kids, not just their

[0:21:35] Voice 11: dogs, kids on the autism spectrum.

[0:21:39] Voice 11: Jamie has a way of tuning in to the essence of a person, and she has a way of doing that

[0:21:45] Voice 11: with dogs as well.

[0:21:47] Voice 11: When Luna, my dog, who is a bit reactive to other dogs, goes to Jamie's retreat, her

[0:21:55] Voice 11: kennel. I know that Jamie's going to group her with the dogs that she can, you know, have a good

[0:22:04] Voice 11: time with, that there won't be any issues. She takes that kind of care with every dog who comes

[0:22:11] Voice 11: into her care. We have a unique situation here, and I think what I'm calling for to be breathed

[0:22:19] Voice 11: is a spirit of supporting Jamie and this channel to exist here rather than looking for reasons why

[0:22:28] Voice 11: it can't and I'll just say this back in April Jamie and I have known each other a few years

[0:22:38] Voice 11: I've lived here on the south 15 years back in April I saw firsthand the stressful situation

[0:22:46] Voice 11: under which Jamie had to relocate.

[0:22:51] Voice 11: Can any one of you think about relocating your home

[0:22:54] Voice 11: and your business within 30 days?

[0:22:58] Voice 11: It's nearly impossible.

[0:23:01] Voice 11: Luckily, this property was available.

[0:23:03] Voice 11: It was the only one 10 acres more of this island.

[0:23:09] Voice 11: It was available.

[0:23:11] Voice 11: It was a miracle actually that we could close it

[0:23:15] Voice 11: in good timing.

[0:23:17] Voice 11: I'll try and finish quickly here.

[0:23:19] Voice 11: but i saw what jamie went through she didn't have a day off for at least two months

[0:23:25] Voice 11: she worked night and day to make this place a viable kennel i am here in support

[0:23:34] Voice 11: of this kennel i'm here in support of jamie and i ask for your full consideration

[0:23:39] Voice 11: of giving this island the essential service of a wonderful kennel thank you

[0:23:45] Voice 13: thank you

[0:23:46] Voice 13: you is there any any more

[0:23:47] Voice 11: speakers on this uh vaccine um

[0:23:51] Voice 13: i hope maybe i'll give you a little

[0:23:53] Voice 13: extra time to talk about two items one is the uh proof of water for sunday this has been a request

[0:24:00] Voice 13: going back for years for this begun because of several reasons some of which ian touched on that

[0:24:07] Voice 13: were inconsistent with the provincial standards and this causes its staff a lot of difficulty

[0:24:12] Voice 13: poking and you know it's come up that we want to provide

[0:24:18] Voice 4: for helping on the island

[0:24:20] Voice 4: and one of the barriers to finding locations from our housing is the lack of confidence

[0:24:26] Voice 4: in the testing that goes on to produce adequate water and this

[0:24:31] Voice 13: but lila from percentage is not

[0:24:34] Voice 13: not what many of us would like. It's a compromise. And I would urge you very much to pass it

[0:24:42] Voice 13: and put it in place. It's something that was asked for by the watershed who, you know,

[0:24:50] Voice 13: the COVID that's gone out to fix,

[0:24:52] Voice 11: what is it called, the SWPA, SWPA, app students as

[0:24:57] Voice 11: well, and their technical team.

[0:24:59] Voice 13: So the other thing I want to talk about is the Salty Dock.

[0:25:04] Voice 13: Obviously, from what we've heard, Jane is a very individual, gifted, and wonderful person.

[0:25:09] Voice 13: She provides a very important service to the island that I guess there's no alternative

[0:25:14] Voice 13: to.

[0:25:15] Voice 13: And that we've all heard more than, you know, I don't have any personal experience, so you

[0:25:21] Voice 13: personally know how special this is.

[0:25:23] Voice 13: What we haven't

[0:25:24] Voice 11: heard is why there's a bylaw in place that

[0:25:28] Voice 7: makes this illegal at this location.

[0:25:31] Voice 7: uh it's

[0:25:32] Voice 7: not illegal everywhere i know that kennels are allowed in my neighborhood

[0:25:38] Voice 13: uh there are plenty of neighborhoods that allow kennels uh but this doesn't i think it has to do

[0:25:45] Voice 13: with protecting the groundwater and originally no one has spoken about that it's been a complaint

[0:25:53] Voice 13: of mine for

[0:25:54] Voice 4: a long time that when staff does these reports they don't explain the environmental

[0:26:00] Voice 13: And so I would urge you before you make a decision about them, you would have to change

[0:26:06] Voice 13: the law, right, which I don't think you can do in one meeting, if you were to consider

[0:26:12] Voice 13: changing the law for this particular property.

[0:26:16] Voice 13: That therefore went out of discussion of why this is in place, because it is in place for

[0:26:22] Voice 13: protection of the community, and it's unfortunate that no person here today to mention in such

[0:26:29] Voice 13: to speak about protection of the whole community that's why the build up there so um and i i do

[0:26:39] Voice 13: think that this is an important that valuable service to our community and maybe those people

[0:26:45] Voice 13: who care about it could help jamie find a location where this is because i think it's probably a big

[0:26:53] Voice 13: deal to change the bylaw and if you do consider changing the bylaw the other people here

[0:27:01] Voice 13: it will be okay thank you yeah thank you i think it's another hand here right against the wall

[0:27:09] Voice 13: first and then well do

[0:27:14] Voice 9: you just earlier did you didn't really

[0:27:16] Voice 13: speak you just said you were

[0:27:17] Voice 13: available you've got something to say go ahead as if i elaborated further on

[0:27:24] Voice 13: preliminary

[0:27:25] Voice 13: case management plan. It has been

[0:27:28] prepared in regards to groundwater to

[0:27:30] groundwater monitoring. I just wanted

[0:27:34] to say that.

[0:27:35] Voice 13: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:27:37] Voice 13: I just want to add, we've heard another reference

[0:27:40] Voice 13: to the law and

[0:27:42] these are at liberty to seek a legal opinion

[0:27:46] on this specific issue. There's confusion about that

[0:27:50] i

[0:27:50] Voice 13: don't think it's appropriate to rely on ad hoc legal advice from staff or other people

[0:27:57] Voice 13: saying we can't or can't do this i think the legislative branch has the reasonable opportunity

[0:28:04] Voice 13: to interpret the law as they wish and if they want a legal opinion i don't get that legal

[0:28:12] Voice 13: opinion from a qualified legal progression okay anyone who hasn't spoken yet to like to speak

[0:28:23] Voice 13: anyone else with a burning one more comment really briefly just one uh one thing uh i tried to follow

[0:28:32] all this and the information and legal information and i'd like to let the trustees know that it's

[0:28:39] a bit complicated if i want to know an information disregard for jamie but or whatever other lands

[0:28:46] also complicated to find their information and it's not that easy i find it to go through all this

[0:28:55] so if it could be up and help to make it a bit easier to for anybody that is more or less used

[0:29:01] to the process to make it more

[0:29:03] Voice 11: interesting thank you for the trust okay thank you for that

[0:29:07] Voice 4: very quick notes i would like to say um and so nice uh i posted the website please support salty

[0:29:16] Voice 4: I have a terrible message on my phone, somebody, look like somebody has a huge campaign to

[0:29:23] Voice 4: destroy Jada's business.

[0:29:24] Voice 4: Just, I would like you to be honest, don't listen, listen, listen to your heart and be

[0:29:30] Voice 4: really objective, really independent, please, because it's really a campaign going on.

[0:29:36] Voice 4: I'm afraid to talk to you because I have a hate message on my phone, do not speak.

[0:29:41] Voice 4: Sorry.

[0:29:42] Voice 4: This is strange.

[0:29:43] Voice 13: okay in the back there

[0:29:45] Voice 3: and i think we'll wrap it up after that yeah so even peace again this

[0:29:48] Voice 3: time we're just speaking as an individual i'm not speaking on behalf of any other words

[0:29:51] Voice 3: and in response to uh the concerns regarding the watershed that

[0:29:58] Voice 13: uh in that

[0:30:00] Voice 13: people are permitted to run a farm which includes you know you could have a hog operation and would

[0:30:08] Voice 13: require no

[0:30:09] Voice 11: management of effluent really it wouldn't be the same level of scrutiny by any

[0:30:15] means at all and that's in addition to a business in addition to a dwelling that has you know let's

[0:30:24] same a proper properly operating septic system so when we're talking about risks to the watershed i

[0:30:30] think it's important to keep in perspective that the way it's operating according to the

[0:30:36] engineer's report impacts to the watershed are significantly less than what's already

[0:30:43] already permitted there and follow up on that everything there is temporary okay okay for that

[0:30:54] Voice 9: uh so moving on our next section is delegations and our first delegation is from

[0:31:04] Voice 13: Jimmy Howland

[0:31:05] Voice 13: Harris um we have a uh in our meeting procedures bylaw we have a set time for delegations there's

[0:31:14] Voice 13: two i was going to divide it in half but i'll just check in with trustees

[0:31:19] Voice 13: is that reasonable for you i would give both delegates seven and a half minutes

[0:31:27] Voice 7: when i called a staff person to ask how long the delegation would be he said that it could be 15

[0:31:37] Voice 7: minutes and that's what i have prepared mine's only five okay

[0:31:42] Voice 9: because uh yeah i'm just looking

[0:31:44] Voice 9: at our the the trust committee can by by you know as content we can extend that but um that's that's

[0:31:53] Voice 9: what our our baseline is so that's what i was going to go off but it sounds like maybe between

[0:31:58] Voice 9: the two of you will be close to that range so um and then i did see your uh email about

[0:32:06] Voice 9: the difficulty of hearing delegations um and so if if the delegates want to come

[0:32:13] Voice 9: stand a little closer to this

[0:32:15] Trustee Patrick: camera

[0:32:16] Voice 9: tripod or pull a chair up um then that should help with

[0:32:21] Voice 9: the audio and then if you pull right up here you

[0:32:25] Voice 6: could be on the video too

[0:32:27] Voice 6: and we'll make sure uh continue to speak and we'll make sure that uh

[0:32:37] Voice 9: trustee harris can hear you okay

[0:32:39] Voice 9: thank

[0:32:39] Voice 8: you for allowing me to speak today so trustee

[0:32:42] Voice 13: harris can you hear all right

[0:32:46] Voice 13: yeah i can hear it fine

[0:32:47] Voice 6: okay great thanks all right

[0:32:48] Voice 6: um

[0:32:49] Voice 8: i'll start with i was a little puzzled to find out that my tup application was voted

[0:32:59] Voice 8: on without any reply from me without any documents or support letters um without me there um i would

[0:33:09] Voice 8: have thought that with all of that it would have been tabled and considered at the next meeting

[0:33:14] Voice 8: instead of without me there with any out any of my information in the report it stated that the

[0:33:22] Voice 8: owner moved from a zone property to a watershed and a comment was made online by someone that

[0:33:27] Voice 8: the owner is entitled i'm just going to help you understand the reason why we moved the kennel and

[0:33:33] Voice 8: our staff to 130 blackburn on april 6th of this year we only had 30 days to move everything due to

[0:33:43] Voice 8: a family court order. The property was ordered for sale. We were going through a really difficult

[0:33:51] Voice 8: divorce. And on March 6th, the property was ordered for sale. And in order to facilitate

[0:34:00] Voice 8: the sale quicker, the kennel was ordered to be moved within 30 days. I actually preferred to

[0:34:08] Voice 8: stay on rainbow where my business was running well for five years and actually my son's ashes

[0:34:14] Voice 8: were spread in the gardens so i really didn't want to move after offering well over the assessed

[0:34:22] Voice 8: value of the property and being refused i dug up the gardens and i took them with me and we

[0:34:28] Voice 8: looked at properties to move to that being with only 30 days to purchase clothes and prepare it

[0:34:37] Voice 8: so that I could move the kennel along with my staff and at the time 10 rescues that were in

[0:34:43] Voice 8: our care. I was told by the real estate agent, I have an email from the real estate agent that

[0:34:52] Voice 8: said that the property was our zoned and it was the only property available that was 10 acres

[0:34:58] Voice 8: and our zone which would allow a kennel. So I purchased the property, we closed within a week

[0:35:05] Voice 8: and then we had the rest of the 30 days to prepare it. We were actually 10 days late being ready.

[0:35:12] Voice 8: We hit the news because we camped out at the bottom of the property with all the rescues

[0:35:17] Voice 8: and so everybody that went by on Fulford Ganges just saw us camping out.

[0:35:23] Voice 6: I

[0:35:23] Voice 8: think within 40 days though that was pretty good to do everything.

[0:35:28] Voice 8: As soon as I found out that the property was split zoned I immediately applied for a TUP.

[0:35:38] Voice 8: It's vital that the owner is well informed of the application process and meeting times and dates and requirements.

[0:35:45] Voice 8: Not only was I not aware of the process, I wasn't aware of the online agenda or how meetings worked.

[0:35:51] Voice 8: I was actually so busy working and getting the property set up in the kennel and taking care of dogs and rescues and everything else that I didn't even understand or know that it was watershed.

[0:36:03] Voice 8: I didn't even know what that meant.

[0:36:05] Voice 8: I also have learned a lot since then so now I know quite a bit more but at the time I didn't

[0:36:12] Voice 8: and I was just in a panic to move my business and my family. Some of what's mentioned on the

[0:36:20] Voice 8: staff report needs to be clarified. We actually didn't remove any soil from the property.

[0:36:26] Voice 8: We only brought in a small amount of gravel. We did remove two unlicensed vehicles because we had

[0:36:33] Voice 8: had four and so we we were only allowed two and we immediately blocked the usage of the Fulford

[0:36:40] Voice 8: Ganges entrance which was only a one-way we have permits from health for our holding tanks

[0:36:46] Voice 8: which we're not even using right now we're using porta potties until I can afford to put the alarms

[0:36:52] Voice 8: on them which was recommended we had an engineer assess the property and the holding tanks and

[0:36:59] Voice 8: everything back in august and he's here he can answer questions if anybody has any that was back

[0:37:07] Voice 8: in august he made recommendations which we follow we've been working to reduce noise and plan on

[0:37:14] Voice 8: building a soundproof wall around the kennel and a privacy fence gardens and plan on keeping the

[0:37:20] Voice 8: land looking welcoming and natural we know the importance to uphold the watershed and we'll be

[0:37:27] Voice 8: following the operations and animal waste management plan set out by the engineer please

[0:37:33] Voice 8: have compassion about the people and dogs when you're considering our application we've already

[0:37:39] Voice 8: experienced hardship back in march when our property was court ordered for sale there's a

[0:37:50] Voice 8: huge housing shortage so you can imagine how we felt in the urgency of trying to find somewhere

[0:37:56] Voice 8: where to move a temporary use permit is temporary all of our kennel and housing is completely

[0:38:06] Voice 8: temporary including our fencing we're using porta potties we're composting the dog feces

[0:38:15] Voice 8: it's to be used in our raised garden beds we plan on keeping the property in its natural

[0:38:22] Voice 8: state as much as we can we actually haven't built anything permanent there's no permanent

[0:38:28] Voice 8: structures even though zoning allows a house a burn a garage and laid out agriculture we're not

[0:38:35] Voice 8: doing any of that the engineer says we're not hurting the watershed and in fact what is allowed

[0:38:41] Voice 8: would do more harm than what we're doing there is one neighbor who's been complaining about noise

[0:38:48] Voice 8: and we've done many things to try and reduce that we closed the fulford ganges driveway for two

[0:38:56] Voice 8: two reasons. One was because it was requested, but also we felt that by blocking it and not

[0:39:01] Voice 8: having people drive right past the dogs, it would reduce the barking, and it did help.

[0:39:07] Voice 8: We only used the original driveway, which is at the side, and the dogs can't see people coming

[0:39:12] Voice 8: and going. We put tarps up to block the dogs from seeing each other and people from coming and

[0:39:18] Voice 8: going. We purchased three special machines that emit a high-pitched noise if the dogs bark,

[0:39:26] Voice 8: reduce the number of rotations of the dogs by adding more runs so they all come out at the

[0:39:31] Voice 8: same time instead of at different times we feed twice a day and i actually carry a stack of 10

[0:39:38] Voice 8: dog bowls and i dish them out as fast as i can because uh many of our dogs uh are rescues and

[0:39:46] Voice 8: so some of them um didn't get fed and and so as soon as they hear the bowls clank they start to

[0:39:53] Voice 8: to bark and so I carry as many as I can and I just dish them out as fast as I can which is

[0:39:59] Voice 8: is stressful but we we do the best we can to try to reduce the noise. We are planning on putting up

[0:40:06] Voice 8: a 10 foot high soundproof fence when we can around the whole kennel which will really help with the

[0:40:11] Voice 8: noise. We're also in the process of heating the outdoor kennels so that the dogs are warm even

[0:40:17] Voice 8: when they're outside during the winter and so we have propane heaters and we're going to be tarping

[0:40:23] Voice 8: in the front and the back of the outdoor kennel so that that will also help keep in the noise

[0:40:32] Voice 8: we'll be insulating each of the buildings with foil insulation and it it's also apparently sound

[0:40:38] Voice 8: proofing if the tup is not accepted the consequences for all of us would be devastating

[0:40:47] Voice 8: it would cause undue hardship to everyone including the rescues my family would lose

[0:40:53] Voice 8: everything because we wouldn't be able to pay for our mortgage the kennel

[0:41:00] Voice 8: covers the cost of everything including the rescues we don't get any funding

[0:41:03] Voice 8: it's all out of our pocket the youth who we've taken off the street some of them

[0:41:11] Voice 8: have finished their high school because one of the requirements is that if you

[0:41:15] Voice 8: haven't finished that you go back and finish it and we did have one young lady

[0:41:20] Voice 8: lady who did finish hers this year. The kennel covers the cost of feeding them and housing them

[0:41:27] Voice 8: and in return they're supposed to do 15 hours of cleaning in the kennel a week. Sometimes they do

[0:41:34] Voice 8: five. It's teaching them life skills and job skills and responsibility and being independent

[0:41:42] Voice 8: and it's basically a vocational rehab program that I've designed. If the kennel was closed

[0:41:51] Voice 8: we'd have five children that would be homeless because they live on our property

[0:41:55] Voice 8: they were homeless there's a lot of families i don't know if people understand that there's a

[0:42:00] Voice 8: lot of families with children living in cars living in tents in the bush it's not right

[0:42:06] Voice 8: and so we're just trying to help this has all been really stressful for my family it's affected

[0:42:16] Voice 8: my health it's affected my son because he's worried about my health we've all worked so hard

[0:42:24] Voice 8: all while caring for many rescues lost dogs and youth um i have here the impound book for crd

[0:42:33] Voice 8: five years ago don brown approached me and asked me to take all the lost dogs and rescues

[0:42:39] Voice 8: on the island which i did um which i continued to do for five years that's why i have the impound

[0:42:46] Voice 8: book um i never charged crd i did it free for the community um if dogs if we didn't find the owners

[0:42:55] Voice 8: owners, we kept them and found them new homes for

[0:42:58] Voice 6: as long as it took.

[0:43:05] Voice 6: We offer free care for

[0:43:06] Voice 8: iWave, RCMP, CRD, SPCA and anyone needing care

[0:43:11] Voice 8: while receiving medical attention, all free to the community for over five years.

[0:43:19] Voice 8: Please reconsider my TUP application and reopen my file so that we can coordinate

[0:43:24] Voice 8: together how to move forward to make it work for everyone.

[0:43:28] Voice 8: If you cannot reconsider, please allow us

[0:43:31] Voice 8: to reapply and complete our file immediately we are an essential service and have supported

[0:43:36] Voice 8: the community in many ways over the past 16 years including helping families with children

[0:43:42] Voice 8: as well as dogs

[0:43:43] Voice 6: thank you for hearing me today thank you next is any questions

[0:43:57] Voice 6: not right

[0:44:07] Voice 13: now thank you okay oh

[0:44:09] Voice 8: one point that i didn't make was that trustee harris we did

[0:44:12] Voice 8: remove that culvert it took a while because i had to wait for the excavator yeah

[0:44:18] Voice 13: i saw that it's

[0:44:19] Voice 13: great good news yeah

[0:44:21] Voice 8: thanks

[0:44:22] Voice 11: yes i

[0:44:24] Voice 3: have a question for kimmy about crd uh do you currently have a

[0:44:29] Voice 3: name certainly my understanding is since they

[0:44:32] Voice 8: won't they won't until we get our tp and then

[0:44:35] Voice 8: but our cmp still brings dogs highway still brings dogs spca still brings dogs um the crd are the

[0:44:43] Voice 8: only one that aren't because we don't have our tup and once the tup is issued then they definitely

[0:44:50] Voice 8: will although we do have a dog that should have been taken by crd five months ago it actually

[0:44:59] Voice 8: attacked me the first day that we had it i had to get plastic surgery we still have the dog we've

[0:45:06] Voice 8: been working with it but crd refused to take it could

[0:45:10] Voice 3: you email me about that yeah

[0:45:12] Voice 8: there was an

[0:45:13] Voice 8: investigation and uh they they basically said that because the dog was abandoned to us um it was

[0:45:22] Voice 8: legally our dog and if your own dog attacks you you're responsible for it was the explanation i

[0:45:29] Voice 8: got wasn't our dog it was abandoned and attacked me the first day that was a new

[0:45:42] Voice 8: I forget the guy's name.

[0:45:44] Voice 8: I can

[0:45:47] Voice 6: look up his name.

[0:45:51] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:45:53] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:45:56] Voice 6: Is here a good location?

[0:46:06] Voice 9: I think I'll stand.

[0:46:09] Voice 9: The camera should pick your voice up better.

[0:46:14] Voice 7: Christy Harris, you can hear me?

[0:46:17] Voice 7: so this is a 15-minute presentation and I will chop out as much as I can as I go along.

[0:46:26] Voice 7: So the broad purpose of zoning on our island is to protect the environment and support the

[0:46:32] Voice 7: community. To this end, I encourage trustees to instruct staff to take a facilitative role

[0:46:39] Voice 7: helping neighbors understand and adapt to each other's land uses. The current adversarial

[0:46:45] Voice 7: approach in which a staff report is either for or against someone's livelihood is polarizing

[0:46:53] Voice 7: and harmful to our community. In the Salty Dog case, the staff report states that

[0:47:00] Voice 7: quote, the primary reason for non-support for the TUP application is that OCP G11 clearly indicates

[0:47:09] Voice 7: indicates a TUP is not eligible for issuance on this property.

[0:47:14] Voice 7: OCP Section G11 lists 13 areas where local trust committee may issue

[0:47:20] Voice 7: temporary use permits and the watershed area is not on the list.

[0:47:24] Voice 7: Section G11 does not state that areas not listed are ineligible for a TUP.

[0:47:32] Voice 7: That interpretation is provided by the staff report.

[0:47:35] Voice 7: The report explains that to issue a TUP to Salty Dog would contravene Section 471 of the Provincial Local Government Act, thereby, quote, leaving the potential for a legal challenge.

[0:47:49] Voice 7: Setting aside the question as to whether it is the role of planning staff to provide trustees legal advice, a textual analysis suggests that this statement functions to dissuade trustees from considering the permit with truly open minds.

[0:48:07] Voice 7: Interestingly, Section 741 of the Provincial Local Government Act also leaves open the

[0:48:16] Voice 7: potential for a legal challenge should the LTC fail to genuinely consider with open minds

[0:48:24] Voice 7: Salty Dog's TUP application.

[0:48:27] Voice 7: Section 471 reads, an official community plan is a statement of objectives and policies

[0:48:34] Voice 7: policies to guide decisions on planning and land use management within the area covered by the plan, respecting the purposes of local government.

[0:48:44] Voice 7: The purposes of local government, as outlined in the mandate, clearly include the well being of residents and the communities we comprise.

[0:48:54] Voice 7: In their endorsement of the staff report on Salty Dog's TUE application, our trustees upholding their fiduciary duties to residents and our communities.

[0:49:07] Voice 7: The argument could certainly be made that the report's exclusionary interpretation of OCPG-1-1 fails to honor the full mandate of the trust.

[0:49:19] Voice 7: Further, an interpretation of OCP to G1.1 which excludes non-listed designations from

[0:49:28] Voice 7: TUP consideration contravenes other subsections of Part G of the OCP.

[0:49:36] Voice 7: G1.2.2 tells us that TUPs are for the use of land by local businesses to provide essential

[0:49:43] Voice 7: community services not provided by local government.

[0:49:46] Voice 7: We've heard how Salty Dog Services provides essential services not provided by local governments.

[0:49:54] Voice 7: G123 outlines that the purpose of a TUP is to test out or pilot a land use where there is a conflict with what is currently permitted in the regulations and before applying for an amendment to the zoning.

[0:50:09] Voice 7: Planning staff visited Salty Dog shortly after the applicant's submission of the TUP to suggest that she apply for a zoning amendment.

[0:50:20] Voice 7: The applicant was given to understand that the amendment fee was $5,600 and that the $2,400 which she had already paid towards the TUP would not be credited towards the amendment fee,

[0:50:35] Voice 7: fee, thus increasing her application fees to $8,000.

[0:50:40] Voice 7: It was on the basis of economics that the applicant decided

[0:50:45] Voice 7: to remain with the TUP.

[0:50:50] Voice 7: G135 stipulates that applications should include,

[0:50:53] Voice 7: quote, evidence that suitable alternate sites

[0:50:56] Voice 7: with appropriate zoning are not available.

[0:50:58] Voice 7: Given the system of private property

[0:51:00] Voice 7: in which land owned by others is not available to those who

[0:51:04] Voice 7: don't own it it should suffice to show that at the time of purchase no other site with proper zoning

[0:51:11] Voice 7: and within the economic reach of the applicant was available.

[0:51:17] Voice 7: G136 reads consideration could also be given to the temporary relocation of an existing business

[0:51:24] Voice 7: in emergency and hardship situations which we have heard about from the applicant.

[0:51:30] Voice 7: The first sentence of the staff report reads that Salty Dog, quote, moved its operation from a suitable rural zone to an unsuitable watershed zone.

[0:51:42] Voice 7: This implies that the move was voluntary rather than involuntary, setting a damaging tone to the reputation of the applicant in the eyes of the trustees and the community.

[0:51:56] Voice 7: Now, the beauty and the strength of the TUP model is that it allows for a case-by-case consideration of specific land uses.

[0:52:08] Voice 7: To render entire areas of our island ineligible for case-by-case consideration fails to serve the interests of good land use decisions.

[0:52:20] Voice 7: The purpose of the watershed zoning is to protect the water, while also allowing for residents' agriculture and home-based business.

[0:52:28] Voice 7: Aurora Engineering's report outlines how the criteria for protecting the water can easily be met.

[0:52:36] Voice 7: Indeed, the report notes that the canal poses less risk to the water than a light agricultural operation would.

[0:52:44] Voice 7: To put things into perspective, 130 Blackburn is 389 meters away from Blackburn Lake.

[0:52:51] Voice 7: The SPM which outlines the provincial septic regulations places seepage beds 30 meters away

[0:52:57] Voice 7: from lakes and wells used for drinking water. 130 Blackburn reached its setback 12 times over.

[0:53:04] Voice 7: The matter of water preservation is easy to address. The matter of home-based livelihoods

[0:53:11] Voice 7: is more complex. Laws must be judged by whether or not they meet their intended purposes

[0:53:17] Voice 7: purposes and amended when they don't. Allowing home-based businesses across Salt Springs supports

[0:53:24] Voice 7: the right to economic security of the island's local rural residents and landholders. Leaders

[0:53:31] Voice 7: in human rights, including the famous Canadian Justice Louisa Boer and the public intellectual

[0:53:37] Voice 7: Oscar Taylor, who delivered this year's Massey Lectures, assert that we commoners have the right

[0:53:43] Voice 7: to livelihood and that this right to livelihood is asserted in the sections on the security of

[0:53:49] Voice 7: person outlined in both the Canadian constitution and in the universal declaration of human rights

[0:53:56] Voice 7: to the extent that bylaw 355 narrowly defines what can be considered a home-based business

[0:54:02] Voice 7: excluding all possibilities not listed when it was drafted in the late 1970s

[0:54:08] Voice 7: it narrowly circumscribes the right to the security although salty dog is in practice

[0:54:14] Voice 7: a home-based livelihood only human daycares not dog daycares are to be found on the trust's 1970s

[0:54:22] Voice 7: list of what gets to count as a home-based business bylaw 355 defines a dog kennel as a

[0:54:30] Voice 7: commercial enterprise although in common language use all home-based businesses are also commercial

[0:54:36] Voice 7: commercial enterprises.

[0:54:38] Voice 7: No right to livelihood, of course, should be unlimited.

[0:54:42] Voice 7: It makes sense that a right to rural home-based livelihood

[0:54:45] Voice 7: be circumscribed by the greater good

[0:54:47] Voice 7: of ecological preservation and water preservation.

[0:54:51] Voice 7: In the case of Salty Dog,

[0:54:53] Voice 7: livelihood is compatible with the preservation

[0:54:57] Voice 7: of environment and water.

[0:55:00] Voice 7: To consider briefly the history of the right to security

[0:55:03] Voice 7: found in the twin documents of the Madinah Purdah

[0:55:06] Voice 7: and the Charter of the Forests,

[0:55:08] Voice 7: The rural right to making our livelihoods on our own land has a genealogy and the right to security rural commoners fought for during the enclosure movement in 18th and 19th century England, the time of my childhood hero Robin Hood.

[0:55:23] Voice 7: The enclosure movement appropriated from commoners their customary right to build their villages and gather food and kindling from the forests.

[0:55:33] Voice 7: Fences were erected by the feudal lords to keep the commoners out, and the forests were

[0:55:39] Voice 7: repurposed for grazing sheep. Rural commoners were thus forced to migrate to cities to work

[0:55:45] Voice 7: in factories turning wool into merchandise for a new global economy. On Salt Spring Island today,

[0:55:52] Voice 7: exclusionary interpretations of zoning may be eroding our economic resilience,

[0:55:57] Voice 7: resilience, as well as our individual and community health at a time of economic upheaval

[0:56:02] Voice 7: and economic instability, thereby impeding the security of today's common rural people.

[0:56:10] Voice 7: In contemporary rural life, it is customary for common people to make our livelihoods

[0:56:17] Voice 7: on the parcels of land that we pay mortgages and taxes on.

[0:56:21] Voice 7: By legally fencing off land uses from the owners of land, exclusionary interpretations of zoning by local government may effectuate appropriations of rural rights.

[0:56:35] Voice 7: Exclusionary interpretations remove the ability of common people to use our own land for economic security, not by appropriating the land itself, but rather by appropriating our land uses.

[0:56:48] Voice 7: If the Salty Dog family lose their ability to make a living on the land they own, they

[0:56:54] Voice 7: will have to rent themselves out as wage slaves to employers in order to pay the high taxes

[0:56:59] Voice 7: and mortgage on their land.

[0:57:01] Voice 7: As a result, their standard of living and economic security will decline.

[0:57:08] Voice 7: Preventing common people from making a living on and from our land is unjust when those

[0:57:13] Voice 7: livelihoods accord with the purported purpose of deserving, in this case, to protect the

[0:57:19] Voice 7: watershed to provide housing and to allow for a home-based livelihood. I'd like to point out how

[0:57:27] Voice 7: the staff report stigmatizes the applicant in several ways. I think most glaringly by detailing

[0:57:35] Voice 7: open bylaw enforcement files which are complaint driven and allegations only. The likelihood that

[0:57:42] Voice 7: these allegations are without foundation is increased by the fact that against the ombudsperson's

[0:57:48] Voice 7: best practices guides, trust by-law officers visited the property without giving prior notice

[0:57:53] Voice 7: and when the applicant was not on site and was thus unable to show the officers what they were

[0:57:58] Voice 7: looking for. I also believe it to be against basic fairness that while trust council policy 741

[0:58:05] Voice 7: prevents the applicant or any other resident from speaking in the public record to open by-law

[0:58:10] Voice 7: enforcement files, the staff report openly lists these unproven allegations. The report also

[0:58:17] Voice 7: It also stigmatizes the applicant for not having provided expensive reports and surveys, but I would ask you, why request an applicant spend thousands on documents for an application that is as ineligible already dead in the water.

[0:58:33] Voice 7: while stating that additional operational permits are likely required for the kennel

[0:58:38] Voice 7: the staff report fails to note the impossible regressive bureaucratic loop the applicant finds

[0:58:44] Voice 7: herself in as mr holman spoke to with the crd withholding a kennel license until the trust

[0:58:50] Voice 7: approves the tup further the report leaves nine letters of opposition have been received with

[0:58:57] Voice 7: concerns while failing to note that the majority of those letters are from the same one the report

[0:59:02] Voice 7: The report leads the readers to conclude that the kennel entails extensive development. In reality, only minimal development is requested.

[0:59:10] Voice 7: Most importantly, however, is that the merits of locating the kennel at 130 Blackburn, which is on the main bus route at a central island intersection, are completely absent in the report.

[0:59:23] Voice 7: part. As a dog owner, I can attest that Salty Dog's previous location was difficult and hazardous

[0:59:30] Voice 7: to get to in the wintertime and far off the beaten track. In closing, allow me to address

[0:59:38] Voice 7: the issue of neighborhood consultation because neighborhood consultation is clearly very

[0:59:43] Voice 7: important. At present, no trust guidelines exist informing residents what this consultation should

[0:59:50] Voice 7: should look like, or how to go about it,

[0:59:53] Voice 7: or even what constitutes a neighborhood.

[0:59:55] Voice 7: I went looking.

[0:59:56] Voice 7: In order to engage neighborhoods well,

[1:00:00] Voice 7: and honor the full mandate of the trust. It is counterproductive to have staff continue to

[1:00:05] Voice 7: fulfill their duties by writing adversarial and polarizing reports. So as the trustees elected

[1:00:13] Voice 7: to steer the bureaucracy ship which serves our environment and our community, please consider

[1:00:20] Voice 7: setting into motion creative community building processes which facilitate neighborhood consultation

[1:00:26] Voice 7: presentation in ensuring that the purposes of zoning and the needs of residents are met

[1:00:31] Voice 7: in land use permitting. Thank you very much for hearing me.

[1:00:36] Voice 13: I have a question for Miel if that's

[1:00:38] Voice 13: all right.

[1:00:40] Voice 11: Can I just ask any

[1:00:42] Voice 13: questions for the relevant? Yes I have a question for Miel. Yes

[1:00:50] Voice 13: Miel sorry but I couldn't quite hear what you'd said about letters of opposition

[1:00:55] Voice 13: you kind of went through sort of quickly there and oh

[1:00:58] Voice 7: yeah i was rushing because of time um so

[1:01:01] Voice 7: there were the trust the report the staff report says that nine letters of opposition

[1:01:07] Voice 7: were submitted uh against salty dogs up application the majority of those letters

[1:01:14] Voice 7: came from the same family and what's

[1:01:20] Voice 13: do you have any any idea what the location

[1:01:23] Voice 13: The location

[1:01:25] Voice 7: is scratched off it just has the name, and it's the same family last name with two different first names over and over again.

[1:01:35] Voice 11: Right.

[1:01:37] Voice 11: Okay, thank you.

[1:01:42] Voice 6: thank you today i

[1:01:44] Voice 11: don't have

[1:01:45] Trustee Patrick: any questions at this time um i was wondering if we could

[1:01:50] Trustee Patrick: uh add an item somewhere in our generator to discuss amongst ourselves i don't know

[1:01:57] Trustee Patrick: where that would go okay

[1:01:59] Voice 13: sure

[1:02:01] Voice 12: yes sir um if uh ltc wishes to they could um request the uh

[1:02:08] Voice 12: uh discuss add to the agenda as item 10.3 uh to discuss the delegation uh as part of business

[1:02:15] arriving for minutes uh

[1:02:17] Voice 6: discussed that would allow you to discuss it for the lunch hour uh yeah um

[1:02:32] Voice 6: so let's request from trustee patrick to add that uh i'm fine with that uh any any uh problem with

[1:02:41] up to trustee

[1:02:42] Voice 13: harris no i welcome that

[1:02:44] Voice 9: okay then i'll take it by consent we'll just uh

[1:02:49] Voice 6: mend the agenda to add a 10.3 okay and i believe that takes us up

[1:02:58] Voice 13: to trustee reports

[1:03:02] Voice 13: who's itching to go first you want to go first trustee harris sure i'll keep it short sorry i

[1:03:11] Voice 13: couldn't be there today i'm coming down with some kind of a bug i know there's a few of them going

[1:03:16] Voice 13: around i didn't want to spread it in there anyway um we had a interesting trust council meeting

[1:03:25] Voice 13: recently and um and it leaves me with some some confidence and being able to say that uh

[1:03:37] Voice 13: i think some changes are afoot for the islands trust i'm hoping um they can come sooner than

[1:03:48] Voice 13: and later and the community will be pleased about that um that's another short report from down at

[1:03:55] Voice 13: gasoline alley um i've been spending my well six days a week down there and um on the waterfront

[1:04:04] Voice 13: and we had a big windstorm as i'm sure a few of you know um last weekend i guess it would have

[1:04:13] Voice 13: been um and i watched a couple of boats break loose from the um quite you know large flotilla

[1:04:20] Voice 13: of more boats where people are living in and some of the boats are just derelict but um

[1:04:27] Voice 13: also one the tugboat was was left there and just recently came in and um maybe was there a month

[1:04:34] Voice 13: i don't know and uh shortly after a dock came in and and married up beside it um full of garbage

[1:04:41] Voice 13: and it broke free in the wind

[1:04:44] Voice 13: and went slamming off the shore.

[1:04:47] Voice 13: It was interesting.

[1:04:49] Voice 13: It's really, to no surprise,

[1:04:52] Voice 13: we know storms can whip up

[1:04:55] Voice 13: and come in Genji's Harbor.

[1:04:57] Voice 13: So it was a bit of a concern.

[1:04:59] Voice 13: I've also been witnessing homeless,

[1:05:03] Voice 13: I'm assuming are homeless,

[1:05:06] Voice 13: or compromised folks using the boardwalk

[1:05:10] Voice 13: and the flower beds in centennial park as their toilet um on a regular basis

[1:05:19] Voice 13: um so quite a concern um i've made some statements to some of these people and they've fired back

[1:05:26] Voice 13: um that you know they have all the right to use the areas or toilets they like and that the crd

[1:05:33] Voice 13: shouldn't be closing the washrooms and of course it hasn't gone very well as far as conversations

[1:05:40] Voice 13: go between myself and these folks very concerning not only to me but to customers using the gasoline

[1:05:48] Voice 13: alley area and tenants of the gasoline alley area especially I should say especially on the

[1:05:55] Voice 13: Centennial Park so the other side has its own issues but tenants there are very deeply concerned

[1:06:03] Voice 13: one has recently left some are talking about leaving I don't know what we're going to do

[1:06:11] Voice 13: about this but clearly a lot of these things tie together um some of the stuff we've heard this

[1:06:16] Voice 13: morning and and people need homes so um i'm all for trying to find solutions i'll leave it at that

[1:06:25] Voice 13: thank you thank

[1:06:27] Voice 11: you trustee harris correct to you patrick

[1:06:29] Voice 4: thank you thank you um

[1:06:34] Trustee Patrick: i just wanted to

[1:06:36] Trustee Patrick: start today by sort of revisiting uh a protocol agreement that we have between um the local trust

[1:06:42] Trustee Patrick: committees and CRD board that date back from 1999. It has a number of principles regarding

[1:06:52] Trustee Patrick: interagency relations that are important that we should remember and visit. I'll just name a couple

[1:07:05] Trustee Patrick: of them. One is recognition of and respect of each other's jurisdictions and capabilities with

[1:07:11] Trustee Patrick: a commitment to promoting a spirit of partnership through joint legislative policy program and

[1:07:16] Trustee Patrick: communications initiatives and there is coordinate coordination of planning servicing and growth

[1:07:21] Trustee Patrick: management activities that is responsive to the needs of the local trust areas

[1:07:25] Trustee Patrick: the regional district which we're part of there's a number of policies there and the

[1:07:33] Trustee Patrick: one of the reasons i was looking to this agreement was back on november 23rd during

[1:07:37] Trustee Patrick: legislative committee debate the issue that the CRD wrote a letter about the speculation vacancy

[1:07:45] Trustee Patrick: tax and that we wrote a letter about the speculation of vacancy tax they had different

[1:07:50] Trustee Patrick: tax of course this became but the minister used that against us for the reason of not taking

[1:07:56] Trustee Patrick: action with speculation of vacancy tax so I think as it served as a really good example that if we

[1:08:02] Trustee Patrick: want the province to take action, I think there's a huge benefit if we show up speaking together

[1:08:08] Trustee Patrick: and unified. And this protocol agreement allows us to create letters of understanding on various

[1:08:16] Trustee Patrick: issues. And, you know, I think with all of the new legislation coming, and with our OCP amendments

[1:08:23] Trustee Patrick: coming, I think it's an opportunity for us to look at can we formalize and really, you know,

[1:08:29] Trustee Patrick: take advantage of this protocol agreement to clarify how we could work together. I'm really

[1:08:35] Trustee Patrick: glad to see that staff from all the major institutions on the island are gathering

[1:08:39] Trustee Patrick: quarterly. That's a great move, and I think us as the elected need to mirror what our staff are doing

[1:08:46] Trustee Patrick: and take that action. For our meetings, as always, meetings, I attended the food summit,

[1:08:53] Trustee Patrick: which was put on by the Ag Alliance and others and which I really hope will lead to a greater

[1:09:00] Trustee Patrick: action to improve food security on the island. I attended the Salt Spring Solutions and had a rural

[1:09:07] Trustee Patrick: island housing solutions discussion and I'm really grateful for them for bringing in speakers from

[1:09:14] Trustee Patrick: outside our area that had and were able to share success stories of what's happening and

[1:09:20] Trustee Patrick: and see how we can do to expand housing opportunities that better serve a diverse and healthy community

[1:09:26] Trustee Patrick: and do a better job at protecting the environment.

[1:09:31] Trustee Patrick: The Trust Council, as Jamie mentioned last week, that's the body of all 26.

[1:09:36] Trustee Patrick: We are just a part of that bigger body.

[1:09:39] Trustee Patrick: It was held in Victoria.

[1:09:40] Trustee Patrick: I'll let Chair Peterson speak more about that.

[1:09:46] Trustee Patrick: But as Chair of the Regional Planning Committee, I wanted to briefly mention some of the housing actions.

[1:09:50] Trustee Patrick: at trust council we shared a new housing toolkit which is a set of tools that will assist our staff

[1:09:57] Trustee Patrick: and decision makers in addressing housing options and we also endorsed a housing strategy

[1:10:05] Trustee Patrick: now of course this is a little challenging to endorse a housing strategy right now

[1:10:10] Trustee Patrick: uh while the province is busy spitting out all new provincial legislation but we consider both

[1:10:16] Trustee Patrick: the toolkit and the strategy a bit live and uh they will be um modified and updated as we

[1:10:22] Trustee Patrick: respond to all that's going on um also at the trust council we passed a resolution uh that asked

[1:10:30] Trustee Patrick: to take a regional look at the short-term rental accommodation act to identify opportunities and

[1:10:37] Trustee Patrick: challenges with the implementation of that act throughout the trust area and uh that's my report

[1:10:45] Voice 13: thank you trustee patrick uh

[1:10:47] Voice 9: so for my charity report i'll just uh briefly uh talk we did have

[1:10:53] Voice 9: trust council um last week in victoria um of course the most important uh and uh issue there

[1:11:02] Voice 9: is uh budget discussions in preparation for the finalization of the budget in march of the coming

[1:11:09] Voice 9: year. We did approve a meeting schedule which potentially includes a Trust Council meeting

[1:11:19] Voice 9: here on Salt Spring next year. We also had, despite the fog, we had the San Juan County

[1:11:28] Voice 9: representatives from the San Juan Islands come and join us virtually again, which is

[1:11:36] Voice 9: um always very interesting there they have um some approaches and some information that are

[1:11:43] Voice 9: i think helpful for for us islanders in uh across the border we do have a trans border agreement

[1:11:51] Voice 9: with them which is in general terms mostly about um information sharing and also joint advocacy

[1:11:57] Voice 9: uh so i'm i'm glad that we're rekindling that that fairly long-standing relationship

[1:12:03] Voice 9: We've received committee reports and approval of work plans as we do quarterly.

[1:12:11] Voice 9: Trustee Patrick as the chair of the region planning committee mentioned I think the most

[1:12:17] Voice 9: salient points there.

[1:12:19] Voice 9: And also Trustee Patrick along with Trustee Falk from Pender brought forward a request

[1:12:26] Voice 9: for decision uh proposing new policy for an annual performance review of our cao um cao is the is the

[1:12:34] Voice 9: uh we have the one employee model so the caos that is the employee of trust council

[1:12:40] Voice 9: and then that person is then in charge of all the other employees and uh so having a a a clear

[1:12:49] Voice 9: policy for an annual performance review i think is a positive step forward with sort of a little bit

[1:12:55] Voice 9: of policy that's uh been around for a while but uh not as clear and uh and and uh and perhaps uh

[1:13:04] Voice 9: at any rate i think it's an improvement and i appreciate trustee patrick brings

[1:13:08] Voice 9: that to trust council for us i'll just note that um as chair of uh of uh different islands

[1:13:17] Voice 9: i'm the chair of hornby galliano as well as salt spring and uh the the slew of legislation coming

[1:13:25] Voice 9: from the province in particular the short-term rental accommodation act or bill 35 um

[1:13:33] Voice 9: boyd sure shook things up on hornby hornby presently has an unregulated short-term vacation

[1:13:40] Voice 9: uh rental model and uh trustees uh they're certainly at the behest of a lot of residents have

[1:13:47] Voice 9: been trying to come up with uh some new ways of approaching that um trying to find a way to still

[1:13:54] Voice 9: allow short-term vacation rentals but uh um the uh the provincial act has completely derailed

[1:14:04] Voice 9: uh what the approach was so that's uh it's interesting to see uh six months worth of plans

[1:14:11] Voice 9: uh uh plan changes uh basically having to be thrown out the window due to uh due to the

[1:14:18] Voice 9: province is uh certainly well-meaning and and applicable more in some places than other uh

[1:14:24] Voice 9: legislation but geez wouldn't it be nice if uh local governments were um consulted more before

[1:14:32] Voice 9: the province uh brings these things in which of course will bring me back to the the reality that

[1:14:38] Voice 9: uh frequently um province brings out initiatives that uh um and funding opportunities that that

[1:14:48] Voice 9: don't apply to island's trust sounds trust is excluded and uh myself and and other other

[1:14:56] Voice 9: trustees certainly been advocating that the province perhaps uh consider um not just uh

[1:15:02] Voice 9: sidelining island's trust the the one that stood out for me in the summer of course was the uh

[1:15:08] Voice 9: forty thousand dollar grants for uh individuals wanting to build accessory dwelling units

[1:15:13] Voice 9: i can't think of a good rationale why an island like salt spring or any island was excluded

[1:15:18] Voice 9: for that and I haven't heard got any any good answers from the province on that so uh that's

[1:15:24] Voice 9: something um uh trustee Patrick was talking about advocacy uh joint advocacy with the CRD and and

[1:15:31] Voice 9: perhaps um that uh sort of default exclusion of island's trust is something we could work on

[1:15:37] Voice 9: together I think there's a number of issues and especially the funding opportunities that we get

[1:15:42] Voice 9: excluded from and that I don't see good rationale from the province of why we should be excluded

[1:15:49] Voice 9: So I'll leave that in the back for my chair's report, and I'll go over to the CRD director's

[1:15:56] Voice 9: report.

[1:15:56] Voice 9: And so we'll go to Gary first, and then Errol, if you would like to

[1:16:03] Voice 13: add something, too.

[1:16:05] Voice 13: Happy to have both of you here.

[1:16:07] Voice 13: Really appreciate that you come to our meetings.

[1:16:09] Voice 13: Yeah, thanks, Chair.

[1:16:09] Voice 13: Chair, so

[1:16:12] Voice 3: on housing, I've mentioned this a few times before,

[1:16:16] Voice 3: but the CRD will finally be initiating an alternative approval process,

[1:16:22] Voice 3: the so-called counter petition for an affordable housing fund.

[1:16:30] Voice 3: So it's essentially to seek voter approval to borrow $85 million.

[1:16:36] Voice 3: in uh syria is asking the province to match that um to double that actually and we'll be asking the

[1:16:44] Voice 3: federal government as well just as um we had in a earlier version of uh called regional housing

[1:16:54] Voice 3: first which was a 120 million dollar fund uh for affordable housing um one of the projects

[1:17:01] Voice 3: that benefited from that was Kronenberg.

[1:17:03] Voice 3: So that count petition and the way it basically works

[1:17:07] Voice 3: is if you oppose the initiative, you sign a petition.

[1:17:13] Voice 3: And it's a region-wide petition.

[1:17:15] Voice 3: It's not just for Salisbury.

[1:17:17] Voice 3: So it's 10% of registered voters regionally.

[1:17:22] Voice 3: So if more than, I think it's roughly 33,000 people

[1:17:26] Voice 3: in the CRD signed the petition, the initiative,

[1:17:30] Voice 3: would fail uh i i don't think that will happen and i i would certainly um i support this i i

[1:17:38] Voice 3: would urge folks um if they do want to uh crd to continue funding affordable housing not just here

[1:17:47] Voice 3: but in the crd uh basically to do nothing you don't if you oppose the initiative to sign

[1:17:54] Voice 3: petition if you support it uh you don't do anything but the annual cost when the

[1:18:01] Voice 3: when the paid by value would be fully forward and that probably wouldn't be for two or three years

[1:18:07] Voice 3: down the road it's a while for projects to come through and get approved would be a little over

[1:18:12] Voice 3: two dollars per household per month uh so a relatively modest cost and particularly if we

[1:18:20] Voice 3: can get that funding matched so that uh the count petition process will start early january

[1:18:28] Voice 3: and early february and there will be as legally required there'll be ads in the drug food

[1:18:33] Voice 3: explaining the process explaining the proposal uh i suspect you'd probably be able to pick up

[1:18:40] Voice 3: counter petitions that the local will steer the office also on the housing front

[1:18:49] Voice 3: southern gulf islands and salt spring have what's called a southern gulf islands tourism

[1:18:56] Voice 3: partnership and that group which our local economic development commission that service

[1:19:04] Voice 3: is now overseen by the local community commission was one of the initiators of that

[1:19:09] Voice 3: So, accommodation providers on Salisbury and Southern Gulf Islands had to approve the imposition of a so-called hotel tax, which is a 2% tax that visitors pay when they use commercial accommodation in the two electoral areas.

[1:19:28] Voice 3: is so that currently is generating over between six and seven hundred thousand dollars a year

[1:19:34] Voice 3: by legislation that funding a portion of that funding theoretically even all like for example

[1:19:44] Voice 3: Cortez I think uses all of their it's called the municipal regional district tax MRDT uses it all

[1:19:51] Voice 3: for housing but that has to be approved by accommodation providers so 50% of the

[1:19:58] Voice 3: rooms and 50% 50% sorry 51% of the rooms 51% of the the accommodation providers

[1:20:10] Voice 3: have to approve the MRTT it comes to an end September of next year and there has

[1:20:19] Voice 3: has to be an application to renew the MRDT for another five years. The deadline for that is in

[1:20:24] Voice 3: March. And the LCC is engaged with the Tourism Partnership Board, with the accommodation

[1:20:30] Voice 3: providers, we just met with them earlier this week, to discuss the priorities for that funding.

[1:20:39] Voice 3: And certainly the local community commission has identified affordable housing, in particular

[1:20:45] Voice 3: for employee housing for which there is a funding gap typically senior government and regional

[1:20:51] Voice 3: affordable housing programs don't fund employee housing explicitly they they there's there's

[1:21:00] Voice 3: indirect support because folks who live in affordable housing quite often are working but

[1:21:04] Voice 3: it's not even specifically employee housing the priority for MRT MRDT revenues allocated to

[1:21:12] Voice 3: affordable housing would be employee housing so there's a there's a real need for that on salt

[1:21:18] Voice 3: spring um and uh i would say at this point is that the discussions are encouraging um about

[1:21:29] Voice 3: the tourism partnership board and about accommodation providers in terms of allocating

[1:21:34] Voice 3: more of that funding for affordable housing uh tourism partnership has already made a couple

[1:21:41] Voice 3: of commitments. For example, the Housing Now program, which is initially just, it's basically

[1:21:47] Voice 3: a landlord-tenant matching service, has been now applied on southern Gulf Islands, but

[1:21:54] Voice 3: it will be soon implemented on Salisbury. They'll be hiring a local coordinator. That's

[1:22:00] Voice 3: one of the housing-related initiatives that this MRDT funding is supporting, and the

[1:22:08] Voice 3: tourism partnership board is indicating that they're they're willing to commit to that on an

[1:22:13] Voice 3: ongoing basis as well as to um commit funding to crd actually uh crd will be developing a rural

[1:22:22] Voice 3: housing strategy that will apply to the two electoral areas actually former trustee trust

[1:22:29] Voice 3: Trust Planner Justine Stark, who now works for the CRD, has been a key driver of that

[1:22:37] Voice 3: initiative, working as a staffer for actually the Southern Gulf Islands election.

[1:22:42] Voice 3: The Tourism Partnership Board has agreed to commit $100,000 a year to hire a coordinator

[1:22:49] Voice 3: to oversee that rural housing program.

[1:22:54] Voice 3: So those are just a couple of examples.

[1:22:55] Voice 3: examples. The LCC at its January 18th meeting, and Earl was speaking to that meeting, I believe

[1:23:03] Voice 3: will be considering a motion from the LCC to the Tourism Partnership suggesting priorities

[1:23:15] Voice 3: for that MODT funding. The discussions are good. Could potentially result in up to half

[1:23:24] Voice 3: of that $600,000, $700,000 every year being dedicated to affordable housing in the two

[1:23:31] Voice 3: electoral areas, and in particular, with a priority focused on employee housing.

[1:23:37] Voice 3: So that is all, basically, that's visitors to Saltbrain being able to fund affordable

[1:23:43] Voice 3: housing in the two electoral areas.

[1:23:48] Voice 3: is, and I will just briefly mention the provincial legislation, the short-term legislation, so I

[1:23:57] Voice 3: actually had a motion at the CRD board to be considered advocating that salt spring

[1:24:04] Voice 3: into that legislation, so my understanding, staff and Mr. Patrick can correct me if I'm

[1:24:13] Voice 3: on, but there are two basic elements to that short-term rental legislation. One is a provincial

[1:24:20] Voice 3: registry that will be mandatory for short-term rentals. My understanding is that registry applies

[1:24:27] Voice 3: province-wide, so that does include Salisbury. So if you're a commercial short-term rental

[1:24:35] Voice 3: provider, you're legally required to register, and you're legally required when you're

[1:24:43] Voice 3: advertising to cite that regulatory number. This is going to help, I think, with enforcement.

[1:24:49] Voice 3: The other aspect of the legislation, as I understand it, is the requirement that short-term

[1:24:57] Voice 3: rentals only be allowed in owner-occupied situations, which is my understanding, basically,

[1:25:05] Voice 3: the intent of a local bylaw, that if the owner is present here, but I know there's some

[1:25:12] Voice 3: some grayness around what's STTR versus B&B.

[1:25:18] Voice 3: But my understanding is the,

[1:25:20] Voice 3: probably the most important distinction is that

[1:25:22] Voice 3: B&B is an owner-occupied situation.

[1:25:26] Voice 3: The provincial legislation will require that.

[1:25:29] Voice 3: So Tim, you're correct.

[1:25:35] Voice 3: We were, electoral areas were unincorporated areas.

[1:25:38] Voice 3: We're excluded from that part of the legislation,

[1:25:41] Voice 3: But we can opt in. But opting in would on request of local government.

[1:25:47] Voice 3: So I withdrew the agenda item advocating that Salisbury electoral area opt in because it's become clear and Laura has helped me get clarity that it's the local trust committee, it's the trust,

[1:26:08] Voice 3: the land use authority that should request that. So I hope the trust will do that. I think opting into that legislation would help manage imports on our current bylaws and not short-term vacation rentals.

[1:26:30] Voice 3: I just wanted to mention a couple of other things.

[1:26:36] Voice 3: Swipa came up, Maxine Leichter mentioned Swipa, the Selkring Island Bar Protection Alliance.

[1:26:45] Voice 3: I felt it was unfortunate what's, you know, kind of happened with Swipa, where the Local

[1:26:52] Voice 3: Trust Committee has apparently decided to, and in fact has made a motion to transfer

[1:27:00] Voice 3: transfer responsibility for SWPA to CRD. I was not aware of that coming. I was aware,

[1:27:08] Voice 3: I mean, it certainly, we discussed that SWPA, you know, who should, who should, can be, who should

[1:27:13] be the, I

[1:27:15] Voice 3: think you can make an argument for us and the CRD. Clearly both agencies have to be

[1:27:20] Voice 3: involved. There is a need for an interagency body around water because by nature, the nature of the

[1:27:29] Voice 3: The piece is it's a resource that has various jurisdictions responsible for it.

[1:27:37] Voice 3: So, Searney for water supply, the Trust for land use, watershed protection, lakes, streams, groundwater, provincial jurisdiction, Island Health has jurisdiction.

[1:27:49] Voice 3: So, the nature of the creature is that you do have various agencies involved, and it makes total sense for them to be sitting around the table,

[1:27:58] Voice 3: sharing information discussing ways in which they can collaborate and cooperate who convenes it who

[1:28:05] Voice 3: knows it under the auspices of the trust of the crd uh i i'm not sure that i have strong

[1:28:12] Voice 3: feelings about that but but the fact that the local trust committee basically in my view

[1:28:18] Voice 3: unilaterally said well okay sir the overview now i know that you hired a contractor jason

[1:28:23] Voice 3: and Millman's, who does have a background with SWPA, to interview the stakeholders.

[1:28:28] Voice 3: We do have this report from Iconics that lays out a strategic plan.

[1:28:33] Voice 3: Well, SWPA hasn't met to discuss that plan.

[1:28:36] Voice 3: Of course, the consultant interviewed various stakeholders in developing the plan, but we

[1:28:43] Voice 3: haven't met as a group to discuss it and to approve it or not.

[1:28:49] Voice 3: That has to happen.

[1:28:51] Voice 3: My understanding is that will happen.

[1:28:53] Voice 3: And so we'll see what comes out of Jason's interviews.

[1:28:56] Voice 3: We'll see what comes out of that first meeting.

[1:28:59] Voice 3: We do need an interagency body.

[1:29:03] Voice 3: I'm not convinced that SWPA, as recently convened, is necessarily the way that we have to do that.

[1:29:11] Voice 3: But definitely there has to be some body to share information and to collaborate.

[1:29:17] Voice 3: SWPA in and of itself has no authority.

[1:29:20] Voice 3: the only authority is vested in the individual agencies, each of which have their particular jurisdictions. SWPPP itself, other than bringing funding to the table, which is important, but SWPPP itself has no authority.

[1:29:36] Voice 3: It really is an information sharing room to discuss strategies about how to better protect water on saltwater.

[1:29:44] Voice 3: So we'll see what comes out of Jason's

[1:29:47] Voice 3: interviews and that that swim meeting which i hope will be convened soon just a couple of

[1:29:52] Voice 3: things uh shared uh the heartland landfill uh there's going to be some significant

[1:30:00] Voice 3: changes there in an effort to reduce the amount of material going to the landfill and to extend

[1:30:06] Voice 3: the life of the landfill which right now is 30 or 40 years. CRD will be banning a number of

[1:30:13] Voice 3: construction materials now going into the landfill so clean wood, asphalt shingles, those sorts of

[1:30:20] Voice 3: things and there will also be revisions to the fee structure that will severely penalize haulers

[1:30:29] Voice 3: bringing that material to the landfill so that that will be uh unfolding and just one one final

[1:30:37] Voice 3: thing uh my motion to uh request series staff to provide a report on the merits of joining

[1:30:47] Voice 3: the class action against so-called big oil the five largest uh oil uh companies in the world

[1:30:56] Voice 3: that that motion was approved by the board so staff will be providing the CRE board with a

[1:31:04] Voice 3: report on the merits of that action there's already several municipalities in British Columbia

[1:31:10] Voice 3: joining that class action and but regional districts are a bit of a different beast

[1:31:17] Voice 3: and so if we are going to join that class action the request is also to

[1:31:23] Voice 3: to contribute a dollar per person per jurisdiction.

[1:31:29] Voice 3: So for example, if Salisbury were to opt in 12,000 people,

[1:31:33] Voice 3: we'd contribute 12,000 to the cost of the litigation,

[1:31:37] Voice 3: but that's not exactly how it works.

[1:31:40] Voice 3: We'll find out more about that with staff report,

[1:31:43] Voice 3: but at least we're going to get a report back

[1:31:45] Voice 3: on the merits of joining that action.

[1:31:47] Voice 3: Thanks, Chair.

[1:31:48] Voice 3: Well, thank you,

[1:31:49] Voice 9: Director Holman, and certainly between our reports here, it seems like it's sort of highlighted the importance of better communication and maybe some kind of formal process to, you know, chat together about items of mutual interest.

[1:32:09] Voice 9: uh for example that you mentioned mrdt uh uh i don't know if a you know formal letter of support

[1:32:18] Voice 9: from the local trust committee would be of use but that's something uh i'm sure we would welcome

[1:32:24] Voice 9: a request around um certainly the opt-in is something that uh that the local trust committee

[1:32:31] Voice 9: hasn't uh to the the provincial uh short-term vacation we haven't had a chance to uh consider

[1:32:37] Voice 9: to consider that um uh I I know Island's Trust staff is uh is working on um studying the

[1:32:45] Voice 9: implications uh around that for for uh local trust areas and uh certainly Hornby's Hornby's

[1:32:54] Voice 9: directed staff yesterday to to get to work on on that kind of analysis and um uh to help inform

[1:33:02] informed decisions of local trust committees

[1:33:04] about whether

[1:33:04] Voice 9: opting in is what they want to consider.

[1:33:12] Voice 9: Again, sorry to hear that the decision to essentially

[1:33:18] Voice 9: transfers, but to CRD came as a surprise.

[1:33:20] Voice 9: That just, again, shows better communication would help.

[1:33:26] Voice 9: And I think I'd certainly love to see this CRD staff

[1:33:31] Voice 9: staff report on the Big Oil lawsuit.

[1:33:34] Voice 9: So if you're willing and able to forward that to us

[1:33:38] Voice 9: when you receive it, I think that'd be helpful.

[1:33:42] Voice 9: And LCC Chair, Mr. Rook,

[1:33:44] Voice 9: would you like to share something?

[1:33:47] Voice 3: Sir, just thanks for that.

[1:33:51] Voice 3: We can do a better job of coordinating

[1:33:53] Voice 3: and we talk all the time, various venues.

[1:33:56] Voice 3: This is one opportunity where at least

[1:33:58] Voice 3: we're kind of sharing information.

[1:33:59] Voice 3: uh we can do a better job we can formalize it but we do like swivel was an example where

[1:34:07] Voice 3: the trust and security for years and years have sat together to try and address a key issue on

[1:34:13] Voice 3: we participate in the housing council those meetings where we share information about

[1:34:20] Voice 3: various housing projects we can formalize that just one point on the uh the speculation that

[1:34:28] Voice 3: they could see tax so uh trustee Patrick and myself met at least a couple of times with the

[1:34:34] Voice 3: minister we've been working with MLA Olson on that it has a long history um and um you know we

[1:34:42] fairly thoroughly

[1:34:43] Voice 3: discussed together about whether or not to support request inclusion in the tax

[1:34:50] Voice 3: area. I think we have more or less come to that consensus. And so I proceeded with the request from

[1:34:58] Voice 3: the security board. Already the security board chairs written two or three letters to the

[1:35:04] Voice 3: minister about the expenses. It is somewhat frustrating we keep asking. They keep including

[1:35:09] Voice 3: other, like I think since our first request, they've included 19 other communities, a number

[1:35:14] Voice 3: which actually are smaller they're all municipalities they're all a few of them are

[1:35:21] Voice 3: smaller than Salt Spring even within the CRD there are two municipal all of the CRD municipalities

[1:35:27] Voice 3: are included in the SVT there's there's two of them that are smaller than Salt Spring there's

[1:35:32] Voice 3: three of them that are about Salt Spring's size so it is it is somewhat frustrating but I think

[1:35:38] Voice 3: part of the my understanding is that our letter clearly requested inclusion in the SVT the letter

[1:35:48] Voice 3: from the trust requested the province to examine the impacts now I understand that that was the

[1:35:55] Voice 3: advice given to the trust by the minister himself and and then uh then it turns out well

[1:36:04] Voice 3: Well, CRD is asking to be, you're just asking for, you know, let's examine the issue and kind of that's being used against us.

[1:36:12] Voice 3: So, but that's, I don't think that's necessarily because we wrote separate letters.

[1:36:17] Voice 3: It's because of kind of contradictory advice that we're getting from the minister about what to ask for.

[1:36:26] Voice 3: But thanks for, I appreciate your comments.

[1:36:31] Voice 3: We certainly can and should find a more structured, regular way of

[1:36:37] Voice 13: collaborating, sharing information.

[1:36:43] Voice 13: Great. Chairman. Thank you, Chair. We've got a very full agenda today, so I'm just going to keep it brief.

[1:36:50] Voice 13: To what Trustee Patrick said, I think it's essential that we collaborate.

[1:36:56] Voice 13: LCC is a very new institution. We've had six months getting ourselves up and running.

[1:37:01] Voice 13: and it's been quite a learning experience

[1:37:04] Voice 13: and a lot of growing pains.

[1:37:05] Voice 13: But as chair, I'm willing to put myself forward

[1:37:08] Voice 13: and say, yes, I want to meet with the trust,

[1:37:11] Voice 13: the appropriate people on an elected official basis

[1:37:14] Voice 13: because I think it's essential that we coordinate,

[1:37:16] Voice 13: that we do, that we know what each other is doing

[1:37:19] Voice 13: around working inadvertently.

[1:37:22] Voice 13: That's pretty simple.

[1:37:24] Voice 13: So again, yes, definitely want to do that.

[1:37:26] Voice 13: I'd be happy to talk to you offline

[1:37:28] Voice 13: about what that looks like and how we can make that work.

[1:37:33] Voice 13: Given that the LCC has been working for only about four months, our big decision has been the budget. We came in halfway through the process. It's a very bad budget year. It probably is for you, too.

[1:37:44] Voice 13: If we look at the provincial budget we're facing now on the table, it's roughly, I think, a 13% increase.

[1:37:55] Voice 13: We whittled $260,000 off of that in our September meeting, and so much of it added back in as rising interest rates.

[1:38:03] Voice 13: clawed back some of the savings we thought we'd obtained um we'll be meeting on the 18th of

[1:38:08] Voice 13: january and what's going to be our final line our we're mostly thinking of budget meeting um

[1:38:14] Voice 13: hopefully we'll have at least some information for the year-end closing we see i need to know

[1:38:18] Voice 13: exactly where the money is and the various funds are sitting at that point and then we have our

[1:38:23] Voice 13: decision so we're really encouraging people to attend that meeting but to have an interest we're

[1:38:29] Voice 13: also planning to do talent hall the previous week in the evening specifically focused on the budget

[1:38:36] and to solicit

[1:38:38] Voice 13: input from the community on what matters um their ideas um make sure people are

[1:38:44] Voice 13: as well praised as possible and what we're dealing with on the budget um as gary mentioned we're also

[1:38:52] Voice 13: um getting our feet wet on on housing issues locally um and the continuation of the great

[1:39:00] Voice 13: boat encampment um situation we were approached our last meeting but it showed society uh local

[1:39:06] Voice 13: charity a non-profit which is offered um to provide some management and assistance on dealing

[1:39:14] Voice 13: with that issue and so the ltc is working closely with us to see if we work something out here as

[1:39:20] Voice 13: we get closer to winter um for dealing with the problems we have with people who have nowhere to

[1:39:26] Voice 13: Thursday and many of them actually working in town so that's an ongoing issue that we're dealing with

[1:39:32] Voice 13: and finally we did set our official calendar for the next year we will be meeting on the third

[1:39:39] Voice 13: Thursday of every month at 9 a.m. we're also booking on the calendar and evening meeting

[1:39:45] Voice 13: on a monthly basis for the second Thursday of each month we're still facing some legitimate

[1:39:52] Voice 13: of political issues and staffing issues getting those off the ground um but we're quite serious

[1:39:56] Voice 13: about having a second meeting month and given how long our meetings have been running it's

[1:40:02] Voice 13: fun to take that and with that um yeah we'd encourage anyone who has any concerns or input

[1:40:10] Voice 13: to the lcc um please contact us by email come to our meeting um we also have open office hours on

[1:40:17] Voice 13: wednesdays at the crd office in downey young dengue there's a commissioner there from i

[1:40:22] Voice 13: believe 8 30 january it's just the doors open come on in thank you um so i'd like to take a

[1:40:35] Voice 13: five minute break and then we'll come back and get back to our business

[1:40:39] Voice 13: this. Yeah.

[1:40:43] Voice 11: So, all right.

[1:40:45] Voice 11: That's just the

[1:41:15] Voice 6: what's mine is some real estate.

[1:41:19] Voice 6: Is that you're saying like the registry, it's your office,

[1:41:28] Voice 6: like you're saying is that applies to the administration

[1:41:33] Voice 11: or registration applies

[1:41:34] Voice 11: we can go on

[1:41:37] Voice 11: that's great

[1:41:38] Voice 11: that's a good point

[1:41:43] Voice 11: that I would like to

[1:41:47] talk to the students

[1:41:49] that are in BC Mass

[1:41:52] and I think the students

[1:41:54] if I understand

[1:41:55] Voice 13: if I got it right

[1:41:58] Voice 13: that's good

[1:41:59] Voice 13: but I think even registration

[1:42:02] Voice 13: there is systemized

[1:42:03] Voice 13: so you're advertising and remember they're so forcing is one day on the care the next day

[1:42:14] Voice 13: yeah are they uh they're short-term rental award i think the registration

[1:42:21] Voice 13: helps kind of flush that out yeah in my experience the original

[1:42:25] Voice 13: It's been a very effective way to be on charges, and it's a reposting issue.

[1:42:32] Voice 13: It's part of our body, whether it's an exhumation, whether it's an ALC.

[1:42:37] Voice 13: I'm sending out a request for a

[1:42:39] Voice 3: hybrid staffing as well.

[1:42:40] Voice 3: Yeah, yeah.

[1:42:41] Voice 3: It's an option.

[1:42:42] Voice 3: We're making primarily online stuff, but there's a lot of information.

[1:42:47] Voice 12: Yeah, hopefully they have the data on how

[1:42:49] Voice 12: that negotiation process plays out.

[1:42:53] it's pretty key to you know i know the big cities that's the big thing is getting the

[1:42:57] data from

[1:42:58] Voice 13: the companies and keeping them compliant with the major challenges in fact

[1:43:03] Voice 13: that weight is very important um on the ground you know it's like enforcement um

[1:43:13] Voice 13: when i see the start

[1:44:20] Voice 6: member we're ready on this end uh trustee harris are you back yes

[1:46:47] Voice 13: i'm here okay

[1:46:49] Voice 9: great let's go

[1:46:50] Voice 9: ahead and proceed then um we're in section eight we have the draft minutes of the november 16th

[1:46:58] Voice 9: regular meeting for adoption

[1:46:59] Voice 6: any issues with those minutes no okay i'll take it by general

[1:47:09] Voice 13: consent and we'll

[1:47:10] Voice 9: adopt those minutes as presented we have no resolutions without meeting report

[1:47:16] Voice 9: report and then at 8.3 we have the draft minutes of the Advisory Planning Commission in this case

[1:47:24] Voice 9: it's

[1:47:25] Voice 13: the agricultural APC meeting which

[1:47:28] Voice 6: we can receive for information and moving on to section

[1:47:35] Voice 6: 9 there's uh

[1:47:37] Voice 9: quite a lot of correspondences are there any um any items in the correspondence that

[1:47:46] Voice 9: to trustees want to speak to

[1:47:48] Voice 13: or take any action on nope

[1:47:52] Voice 6: not seeing any then we will uh receive

[1:47:55] Voice 6: those information as well and

[1:47:59] Voice 9: in section 10 of business arising for minutes we have the follow-up

[1:48:03] Voice 9: action list on page 101 anything from staff on the list right

[1:48:11] Voice 6: now okay any questions from trustees

[1:48:14] Voice 6: about the follow-up action list yes sir i

[1:48:21] Voice 13: would love to hear a bit about the uh cashy deal uh yes

[1:48:28] Voice 12: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Chair, it's been a bit of a challenge for us. As you know, we are catching up on our development application load, but we have had a number of major projects.

[1:48:39] Voice 12: So primarily the work of staff is apportioned to those items.

[1:48:45] So given the direction of some of the projects, it has consumed more staff resources than had been anticipated.

[1:48:54] stated.

[1:48:55] Voice 12: The proposal about Ganges Harbor is not an application and it is not a project.

[1:49:03] Voice 12: So it is sort of, we're not able to prioritize

[1:49:08] Voice 13: this as quickly unless directed by LTC to

[1:49:10] Voice 13: do so.

[1:49:12] Voice 6: Okay. Thank you for that, Mr. Guttman. Anything further, Trustee Harris?

[1:49:19] Voice 13: No, thank you for that.

[1:49:21] Voice 6: okay the

[1:49:27] Voice 13: next on page 113 we have a bylaw and enforcement on salt springs island report

[1:49:38] Voice 13: coming to us from uh on enforcement manager warren digman who i believe is joining us online

[1:49:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: morning chair good

[1:49:50] Voice 13: morning sir so

[1:49:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the uh the local trust committee has a standing resolution

[1:49:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Solution, requesting regular reporting to the LTC regarding

[1:50:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: bylaw enforcement files.

[1:50:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The most detailed reports that you receive

[1:50:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: will be the ones that are in the Trust Council agenda

[1:50:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: every six months.

[1:50:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Gives you a much more detailed breakdown.

[1:50:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The report that I provided you for today

[1:50:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is the basic breakdown of the number of files

[1:50:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and the categories that we have for those open files.

[1:50:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I've noted that we have greatly reduced the number of open short term vacation rental files report says 40 plus there may be now 50 plus files that have been closed.

[1:50:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: After we determined you know there's really no evidence that the unlawful use continues.

[1:50:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: We've done an extensive amount of work over the past two years to investigate you know hundreds of advertisements on Salt Spring.

[1:50:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and at this time we're down to 89 files we have opened proactively 18 new files this year

[1:51:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and we'll continue to investigate them and the other remaining files a lot of businesses are

[1:51:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: closed for the winter and they'll reopen in the spring to continue their operations and so we'll

[1:51:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: continue to monitor those of concern and review the advertisements and open new files as necessary

[1:51:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I've also noted here that we have multiple complaints regarding the non-permitted uses in Ganges Harbour.

[1:51:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I've made this part of the report because we actually received 11 complaints about the issues and problems within the harbour.

[1:51:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And that is a high number of complaints for any file.

[1:51:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: In fact, it's quite out of the ordinary.

[1:51:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: uh so that's why you have an update here on uh what's happening in the harbor reference to the

[1:51:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: fact that transport canada is also doing enforcement in the harbor uh to deal with

[1:51:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the unmarked mooring buoys in the harbor which um you know they don't comply with federal marking

[1:52:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: regulations and so transport canada is going to take those and remove the ones that they can

[1:52:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: by use of a contractor i've also noted that uh there's no enforcement proceedings going

[1:52:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: going against the liveaboards.

[1:52:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You do have the deferred enforcement policy

[1:52:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for non-permitted dwellings.

[1:52:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And I know that there's some raised concerns

[1:52:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: about if we're going to do any enforcement

[1:52:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: regarding mooring buoys,

[1:52:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that we'll be doing something

[1:52:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that's gonna affect the liveaboards.

[1:52:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And that's not what we're doing at this time.

[1:52:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: If there's a liveaboard vessel

[1:52:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: attached to a non-permitted mooring buoy,

[1:52:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we're just not going to proceed on that the fact of the matter is we just don't have the resources

[1:52:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to do that kind of enforcement or even investigation on the total number of

[1:52:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: liveaboards in the harbor just because of there's such a large number and i can take

[1:53:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: any questions that the committee has thank

[1:53:05] Voice 11: you manager jayman any questions sure

[1:53:08] Voice 13: i'd have a

[1:53:09] Voice 13: question please yeah

[1:53:10] Voice 11: please go ahead um

[1:53:11] Voice 13: mr dingman you mentioned not having enough funds to to enforce

[1:53:19] Voice 13: out on the water is there a number um is there an estimate on what it would take uh

[1:53:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to do to fully

[1:53:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: investigate everything out in the harbor um i haven't worked out a budget but it would certainly

[1:53:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: be tens of thousands of dollars if not really realistically over a hundred thousand dollars

[1:53:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to investigate everything we don't we don't have a vessel we can use we have to hire water taxis

[1:53:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: water taxis get expensive we're spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars per hour just to be out

[1:53:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there and we're really we've gone over our current budget for travel this year partly because and

[1:54:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it's not just salt spring multiple islands we've had to hire water taxis and investigate uses out

[1:54:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on the water so it would take a substantial budget to fully investigate all of the unlawful uses

[1:54:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: out in the harbor so we're doing what we can with the budget that we have and um yeah it would be a

[1:54:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: major project and they just have to ask for a major budget to try and investigate and document

[1:54:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: at all of the unlawful uses out in the harbor thank you uh on

[1:54:42] Trustee Patrick: that topic i mean that was one

[1:54:45] Trustee Patrick: of the reasons on the uh at the trust council um why we were asking for the province to do

[1:54:53] Trustee Patrick: a review in particular of the geographic region and the funding for uh that geographic region so

[1:55:01] Trustee Patrick: i think that's the expectation is that we're supposed to be out there on the water doing this

[1:55:06] Trustee Patrick: then how are we going

[1:55:07] Voice 11: to pay for it

[1:55:08] Voice 6: okay anything further on this report there's a recommendation to

[1:55:20] Voice 6: receive for information

[1:55:22] Voice 6: i'll move that sultan

[1:55:24] Trustee Patrick: island local trust committee received this

[1:55:26] Trustee Patrick: report information only okay

[1:55:29] Voice 6: so moved to have a seconder

[1:55:33] Voice 13: seconded by trustee harris

[1:55:36] Voice 13: uh any further discussion or call the question all in favor

[1:55:41] Voice 13: and that motion carries thank you manager dingman you're

[1:55:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: welcome sure okay

[1:55:48] Voice 13: so the item we have added

[1:55:50] Voice 13: a 10.3 discussion following today's delegation and uh it's a good request for trucking patrick

[1:55:57] Voice 13: so i'll start with you well

[1:55:59] Trustee Patrick: sure i don't i want to thank you for for um coming today and talking

[1:56:04] Trustee Patrick: talking to us and it's it is land use is a very challenging it's difficult you know there's lots

[1:56:12] Trustee Patrick: of emotion um but there's it it is challenging and one of the tools I so hope we get someday

[1:56:21] Trustee Patrick: on this island is business licenses I think that would be a great tool to have because you know

[1:56:27] Trustee Patrick: very very early in the process it would help flag you know the zoning questions and the appropriate

[1:56:33] Trustee Patrick: to land and someday I dream that we'll have have that tool um at us um I guess at this point I just

[1:56:45] Trustee Patrick: have questions I don't know if we can have a conversation and see if Jamie agrees but I

[1:56:50] Trustee Patrick: Jamie I'm sorry trustee Harris

[1:56:52] Trustee Patrick: the right words here I would I would say there's a couple of

[1:56:56] Trustee Patrick: questions. One is legal advice on the restrictions on the temporary use permit. And the second would

[1:57:05] Trustee Patrick: be what potentially some of the preliminary requirements of the temporary use permit

[1:57:11] Trustee Patrick: could be. Because temporary use permits are an unusual tool for us in that it actually allows

[1:57:20] Trustee Patrick: us to regulate and so it's not just yes do what you're doing but also specify requirements of

[1:57:28] Trustee Patrick: what needs to be there so i think there would be value in understanding what some of those

[1:57:34] Trustee Patrick: preliminary what those preliminary requirements could be so you know that we all are informed of

[1:57:40] Trustee Patrick: understanding what

[1:57:42] Voice 6: that might be well

[1:57:50] Voice 12: um those requirements which depend on what the proposal

[1:57:54] Voice 12: is here. We've talked about a dog kennel, but also it's not clear whether or not there's an intention for any type of residential use for ongoing use of this land as some sort of a short-stay scenario, so we're not really too clear on that.

[1:58:14] Voice 12: So there's going to be a lot of uses attached to the dog kennels. So understanding what exactly is going on with the property is a big part of this.

[1:58:22] Voice 12: um so we can do that the reality is that you know as noted the the ocp sets out areas where

[1:58:32] Voice 12: temporary use permits can be applied it's established here in ocp

[1:58:36] Voice 13: but

[1:58:38] Voice 12: it's not applied

[1:58:38] Voice 12: to this area so the logical step before moving into issuance of a temporary use permit is to

[1:58:45] Voice 12: apply to amend the official community plan in which case it's it's pretty much a you know

[1:58:53] issue to you know whether it's in the applicant's best interest to apply for uh an ocp amendment

[1:58:58] in order to have a temporary use permit or

[1:59:01] Voice 12: uh or to apply simply to just secure the land use

[1:59:04] Voice 12: because eventually that's um with temporary use permits in most cases what we're looking for them

[1:59:10] Voice 12: to do is to eventually move to rezone the property to make the most permanent we've had that in few

[1:59:16] Voice 12: with um this is this is part of the outset challenge of this proposal um so that's a

[1:59:25] that's a discussion to be had with the applicant um if there's a desire to consider this or

[1:59:31] advance this in some way when it comes to to condition then i'm not aware of what exactly

[1:59:37] would be necessary in terms of the concerns um the temporary

[1:59:41] Voice 12: use permanent area is established

[1:59:42] Voice 12: from the rw1 uh designation or sorry the rw1 designation is established um not necessarily

[1:59:51] solely on the notion of protecting the watershed um

[1:59:55] Voice 13: what the conditions are and what the concerns

[1:59:59] Voice 13: in the dark.

[2:00:00] Voice 13: in the community may dictate that.

[2:00:02] Voice 13: In other situations, I can just think of high security issues

[2:00:08] or issues of perceptions of personal security

[2:00:13] in the community where I work.

[2:00:15] One example is the temporary women's shelter,

[2:00:18] where the proponents acknowledged

[2:00:20] that there was a risk of certain issues that required us

[2:00:25] to do the security sweeps and actually sweeping

[2:00:29] being the site of them in that case uh you have to go to use essential needles uh so those kinds of

[2:00:34] things can be addressed that you can we can do we can actually require a fairly extensive amount of

[2:00:40] connections a number of tools to the process um that those

[2:00:45] Voice 13: conditions are required to comply with

[2:00:50] Voice 13: yeah well

[2:00:50] Trustee Patrick: i mean one thing our regulations are pretty um limited and what you know other than

[2:00:58] Trustee Patrick: and identifies a dog kennel

[2:01:00] Trustee Patrick: doesn't go into any further details than that.

[2:01:02] Trustee Patrick: And I went out and looked at most municipalities

[2:01:04] Trustee Patrick: have very detailed bylaws pertaining to kennels.

[2:01:10] Trustee Patrick: Setbacks and the size of dog runs

[2:01:14] Trustee Patrick: are specified in municipal kennel regulations.

[2:01:19] Trustee Patrick: So I assume like that's something

[2:01:21] Trustee Patrick: that the temporary permit would potentially cover.

[2:01:26] Voice 12: Yeah, extreme. In the case of kennels, extreme setbacks are quite often required. So in communities

[2:01:34] where 300 meters is the expectation, this

[2:01:37] Voice 12: is up in Caribou, so you can definitely get

[2:01:39] Voice 12: a kennel onto a site at a 300 meter top, if you don't know if that's the case here. So

[2:01:47] Voice 12: siting kennels can be a real challenge. There is a difference between kennels and doggy

[2:01:50] Voice 12: daycares i know i mean i know about daycares in strip malls around vancouver islands um that's

[2:01:57] Voice 13: a bit of a different animal uh but in terms of kennels uh long-term uh boarding of dogs

[2:02:05] Voice 13: presents certainly different

[2:02:07] Voice 6: neighborhood challenges i guess i'm looking forward next

[2:02:14] Voice 6: to what

[2:02:14] Voice 11: can we do to answer what direction so

[2:02:22] Voice 6: if i could if i may mr

[2:02:25] Voice 12: chairman the reality is

[2:02:26] Voice 12: that you can um there's not an opportunity to reconsider temporary permanent the alternative

[2:02:32] Voice 12: here is to request or invite the applicant to submit an amendment to the fisher community plan

[2:02:39] um whether or not that that amendment is completed within a year does the one-year

[2:02:44] Voice 13: timeline started in november uh to reapply um you know if we were able to actually complete

[2:02:52] Voice 13: I would be surprised, and I don't imagine that LTC would have concerns at that time

[2:03:02] Voice 13: if it approved an OCP amendment to allow for, but I kind of imagine that there's a pretty

[2:03:09] Voice 12: good likelihood that you would

[2:03:10] Voice 13: vote unanimously to, I may presume, you would vote unanimously

[2:03:14] to allow this application

[2:03:16] Voice 13: to be submitted in under a year if that OCP amendment was

[2:03:19] Voice 13: considered prior to.

[2:03:20] Voice 13: So, for alternatively, at any time, the applicant may apply for a land use by-law amendment

[2:03:27] Voice 13: in OCP amendment simultaneously to address that process.

[2:03:33] Voice 13: So, just for clarity,

[2:03:35] Voice 9: this would be a zoning request for a zoning change?

[2:03:40] Voice 9: It's

[2:03:40] Voice 12: up to the applicant.

[2:03:41] Voice 12: Like I said, there's two options you could apply for to amend the OCP, but put it into

[2:03:48] Voice 12: a temporary use permit area which would really only get your tax returns right but to rezone

[2:03:52] Voice 12: it was still requiring you to to go through that process to redesignate it so you do another osp

[2:03:58] amenities so that the quickest route at this point um or well at any point have been to do an ocp

[2:04:05] Voice 12: and led another and um establish the use permanently if that was um yeah right and i mean

[2:04:14] just uh just it just occurred to me that if the uh if

[2:04:19] Voice 13: that application was going to proceed it

[2:04:21] Voice 13: probably makes more sense for the applicant to request a permanent rather than temporary

[2:04:28] although i realize there is there's financial

[2:04:31] Voice 9: implications but certainly in terms of

[2:04:35] Voice 9: having a surety of continued use um that would that would provide it whereas a temporary use

[2:04:43] permit uh process however that happens

[2:04:46] Voice 13: is still are they three years uh two years two years because

[2:04:53] Voice 13: i know they can vary different local trust parts so

[2:04:57] Voice 12: i may do that maybe two years now

[2:04:58] Voice 12: an application that the applicant could request for up to three years under legislation but we

[2:05:03] Voice 12: do have policy language okay yeah i

[2:05:06] Voice 9: know i know it can vary so that's that's why i was asking

[2:05:08] the question so um whether a two

[2:05:11] Voice 13: -year temporary use permit is with with the potential of it

[2:05:15] Voice 13: is there a potential for uh what do we call it

[2:05:19] Voice 9: the renewal

[2:05:24] Voice 9: so even that with the request the maximum we would be talking six years at the maximum so

[2:05:32] Voice 9: oh you can apply again really

[2:05:35] Trustee Patrick: the local government act has no limits on oh right

[2:05:38] Voice 9: because i i'm aware

[2:05:40] Voice 9: of uh limitations in some areas

[2:05:43] Voice 12: there's so yeah just trust patrick pointed out you can apply once

[2:05:47] Voice 12: uh and you can also apply for a renewal of that permit uh at that point you would apply again

[2:05:52] Voice 12: for another permit and then a renewal um however we do we do begin after the first six years to

[2:05:59] suggest that this is

[2:06:02] Voice 12: it's not really fair to anybody to continue calling it temporary

[2:06:06] Voice 9: and there aren't there are um

[2:06:11] Voice 12: there are situations where that is called for like

[2:06:14] Voice 12: perpetual renewal where it might be right something something that is somewhat ephemeral or

[2:06:19] Voice 12: just you know um but this is this is probably not one of those situations it's a kennel and

[2:06:25] I imagine some security of business is desired here.

[2:06:28] Right.

[2:06:28] And it's just, I'm

[2:06:31] Voice 12: not going to pretend that it's not cumbersome to go through local government application

[2:06:35] Voice 13: processes.

[2:06:36] Voice 13: Sure.

[2:06:37] Voice 13: If I may, Mr. Chair.

[2:06:40] Voice 9: Sure, just a moment.

[2:06:41] Voice 9: I was just going to say that I'm glad to get that clarity because my previous experience with temporary use permits was after the renewal period was finished.

[2:06:53] Voice 9: so essentially the six-year period uh the only thing would be accepted was a substantially

[2:06:58] Voice 9: different use so good to know how it works here um and trustee harris well

[2:07:04] Voice 13: as we're aware the islands

[2:07:06] Voice 13: trust has had a tup for the office um that it exists in for about 20 years or maybe more so

[2:07:13] Voice 13: um anyway um the tup does seem to be the path to take at this point you know from what trustee

[2:07:25] Voice 13: patrick had mentioned earlier it allows us to regulate we don't we want to make sure everybody

[2:07:30] Voice 13: comes out happy here um especially the people residing in there at um blackburn road

[2:07:40] Voice 13: at the kennel um as well as the neighbors and if this tup will allow us to have a you know work

[2:07:49] Voice 13: with jamie um for a path forward to keep everybody happy she's jamie's mentioned about um the noise

[2:08:00] Voice 13: um you know the efforts to reduce noise and um take care of all kinds of other issues that people

[2:08:09] Voice 13: might have a problem with them but if there can be some sort of good faith from the island's trust

[2:08:15] Voice 13: you know nobody has to think that this is they're going to lose their you know um their um their

[2:08:22] Voice 13: place there and to look at it as something that's in insecure you know that's not what we want we

[2:08:27] Voice 13: just want to make sure this is done you know in a way that um because we have heard concerns and

[2:08:35] Voice 13: And we don't want to just ignore the people that are concerned.

[2:08:40] Voice 13: I know I wouldn't feel good about that.

[2:08:44] Voice 13: And I think maybe a TUP is the way that would allow us to do that.

[2:08:48] Voice 13: I'm very happy that the access to Fulford Ganges isn't there anymore.

[2:08:57] Voice 13: I witnessed vehicles coming out of there.

[2:08:59] Voice 13: I know it was supposed to be one way.

[2:09:00] Voice 13: And I've had reports from other people as well.

[2:09:03] Voice 13: It's a good thing.

[2:09:04] Voice 13: And that's not something we want to see again, right?

[2:09:07] Voice 13: Right. So I think a TUP, I'm for that. However, whatever path we have to take to get there.

[2:09:15] Voice 13: Let's just do it.

[2:09:18] Voice 9: Thank you, Trustee Harris.

[2:09:20] Voice 9: I thought I did maybe, Mr. Hutton,

[2:09:25] Voice 13: but you gave us sort of some advice a moment ago that that procedurally is TUP is not the way forward today.

[2:09:36] Voice 13: um you want to just reiterate what you said there clarity well the um it really is at the preference

[2:09:44] Voice 13: of the applicant um it seems to me that if they do want to but come to tup or landings by then

[2:09:53] the first step

[2:09:54] Voice 12: is to apply for an mcpm so there's no need for lpc to make a resolution to allow them

[2:10:02] Voice 12: to submit a tup application again because it would not result in a you know a staff would

[2:10:11] Voice 12: certainly not recommend issuing a computer use permit in an area that does not allow you to

[2:10:17] issue different information um would like a legal opinion on that since that's prerogative

[2:10:26] the legislation is pretty clear on that one um so um you know staff can

[2:10:32] Voice 12: you can certainly

[2:10:33] Voice 12: make a resolution to ask staff to continue working um with ms harris uh to identify a way forward um

[2:10:41] Voice 12: and explore the option of uh applying for an ocp amendment to add the site to the tup area or to

[2:10:50] Voice 12: amend the designation of the property or simply to vary in some way through an OCP application

[2:10:59] Voice 6: and then do a subsequent or consecutive LUB application to allow account. Again, I hear

[2:11:09] Voice 6: Trustee Harris is concerned about regulation, and I don't think that's something I really feel

[2:11:17] ready on.

[2:11:19] Voice 12: I think we'd have to do more research on that to give you some information if that's

[2:11:23] Voice 12: we want information on or possibly at the early stages of the subsequent application

[2:11:27] Voice 13: um that's

[2:11:28] Voice 13: certainly something we can talk about at the at the early stages of an application uh would be

[2:11:33] Voice 13: my best advice on that one um having staff do research for kennels outside of a an actual

[2:11:38] application at hand

[2:11:40] Voice 11: would not be the best use to compare um did you have something

[2:11:46] Trustee Patrick: well yeah i mean

[2:11:47] Trustee Patrick: i think there needs to be some some direction to keep to look at this um the regulatory question

[2:11:53] Trustee Patrick: question is I think to me does this island need to have a kennel yes could it have more than one

[2:12:01] Trustee Patrick: kennel probably I think there's a lot of dogs on this island um and you know we have uh they have

[2:12:10] Trustee Patrick: no we have really no direction as to you know just to protect people on on kennels other than it's

[2:12:17] Trustee Patrick: allow use on certain type of property not this particular one so um you know I think there's

[2:12:22] Trustee Patrick: benefits all around to all of us to to work on this and um um can have people's enjoyment of

[2:12:32] Trustee Patrick: their of their property within amongst um you know these type of uses so um what kind of motion would

[2:12:42] Trustee Patrick: we need then to ask you to continue to work with the applicant or just

[2:12:45] Voice 12: yeah i mean um

[2:12:47] Voice 12: If LTC feels that you would like a resolution of that,

[2:12:53] Voice 12: it's not something I'm going to come back

[2:12:55] Voice 12: and report on necessarily,

[2:12:56] but it

[2:12:57] Voice 12: really isn't fairly up to the applicant

[2:12:59] Voice 12: to reach out.

[2:13:01] If you'd like us to contact them,

[2:13:04] we can do that.

[2:13:10] But there's no real need

[2:13:11] Voice 6: to pass a resolution.

[2:13:13] We're here to serve regardless.

[2:13:16] But if

[2:13:16] Voice 12: you would like to pass a resolution,

[2:13:18] Voice 12: uh we can certainly follow up um just as we've done with other situations in the past ensuring

[2:13:24] that we work with with individuals um where we want to address a situation on the island

[2:13:31] recent housing discussions we've had at the request of ltc to reach out to people

[2:13:35] Voice 13: or organizations

[2:13:36] Voice 6: expressly to help advance that business

[2:13:40] okay

[2:13:43] Voice 6: so i think what i'm hearing then

[2:13:46] Voice 6: is that there's

[2:13:47] Voice 13: certainly room for a new application

[2:13:49] Voice 13: and staff can work with that and we can provide explicit direction or not if there's an application

[2:14:03] Voice 13: then of course that's a matter of course

[2:14:05] Voice 6: direction

[2:14:08] Voice 13: isn't necessary but could be made

[2:14:11] Voice 6: i

[2:14:12] Trustee Patrick: guess what the trustee harris to are you comfortable without a resolution or should

[2:14:17] Trustee Patrick: we proceed for the resolution well

[2:14:19] Voice 13: i could be comfortable without a resolution i'm i'm a little

[2:14:25] Voice 13: bit unclear i we're going to be informed of how this progresses is that the case well presumably

[2:14:36] Voice 13: um uh

[2:14:38] Voice 9: you know the path forward for for this business on that property is is

[2:14:44] Voice 9: some type of application whether it's uh whether it's uh direct to rezoning or or to change the

[2:14:51] Voice 9: property designation to make it applicable for the temporary use permit um one one way or the other

[2:15:00] Voice 13: um uh so it's it essentially it's in the the

[2:15:07] Voice 9: business owner property owners

[2:15:08] Voice 9: uh court to decide how to proceed but um staffs indicated that they're willing to

[2:15:17] Voice 9: but we don't need to give them direction to to uh advise on you

[2:15:23] Voice 13: know what what the way forward

[2:15:24] Voice 13: their options for way forwards might be but that if we want to give that direction again but

[2:15:31] Voice 12: so mr chair i think the only situation where a resolution is needed is um if you wish to have

[2:15:38] Voice 12: wish to allow um the owner to submit another tud application as was considered at the last meeting

[2:15:47] Voice 12: um staff advise that that's really it's not in the tb area uh if we don't advise that you issue

[2:15:55] a permit

[2:15:56] Voice 12: where legislation says that you must be in an area to issue that right

[2:16:00] Voice 9: because that's

[2:16:01] Voice 9: that situation

[2:16:01] Voice 13: hasn't changed the area is still an area that's not

[2:16:04] Voice 13: it's not applicable for the temporary easement so yeah it doesn't probably we if if that were

[2:16:15] Voice 13: to happen then we'd receive another report advising us again that it's not that areas

[2:16:20] Voice 13: seems like a fruitless uh path there could be um mr chair you may want to get it it is i think

[2:16:32] Voice 13: the private yeah uh they have any any requests around them for resolution sure

[2:16:38] Voice 9: um so you've

[2:16:41] Voice 9: heard our discussion here and uh i'm certainly a lot clearer about what the options may be and

[2:16:48] Voice 9: do you have questions or comments at this point

[2:16:57] Voice 11: so we should apply for an

[2:16:59] Voice 6: ocp and then i don't understand it i think the applicant has a concern

[2:17:11] Voice 6: about

[2:17:11] Voice 3: enforcement uh from from this agency or other agencies in the interim so i think they

[2:17:19] Voice 3: feel that they're at risk that you know the spca could show up and collect and destroy all the dogs

[2:17:24] Voice 3: on the property.

[2:17:26] Voice 8: CRD has been fined because I don't have the license and I can't get the

[2:17:30] Voice 8: license unless I have to be paid. So they just keep giving me cummings, which takes away from

[2:17:38] Voice 8: feeding the dogs.

[2:17:39] Voice 9: Yeah, sure. And that's, I don't think that's something we have an immediate remedy

[2:17:45] Voice 9: for um

[2:17:47] Voice 13: as far as um

[2:17:50] Voice 12: ltc's um or the island's trust action on the island's trust um enforcement i

[2:17:59] think does need to continue and go unless an application is in hand we do we do suspend

[2:18:04] enforcement while an application is active uh if they're working towards compliance and we are

[2:18:09] Voice 9: focused on compliance okay so for for the island's trust part of it if there's an application in

[2:18:14] Voice 9: process then they won't then the applicant then the islands trust won't do any enforcement but

[2:18:20] Voice 9: that doesn't mean anything for crd

[2:18:22] Voice 13: or any other regions yeah okay so

[2:18:26] Voice 8: are you saying that i would

[2:18:28] Voice 8: be able to apply for that right away

[2:18:30] Voice 12: yep you could apply for an official community plan amendment and

[2:18:36] Voice 12: wb amendment or we can we can meet with you right away to discuss that so

[2:18:41] Voice 8: if i did an amendment to

[2:18:43] Voice 8: the official

[2:18:44] Voice 12: community plan can

[2:18:45] Voice 8: i do an amendment to um the zoning at the same time

[2:18:51] Voice 6: yes and what do

[2:18:54] Voice 6: both of those cost yeah we're going to look here at the bylaw it is establishing our fees by law

[2:19:18] Voice 6: yeah that's about it well it's seven thousand

[2:19:20] Voice 12: nine hundred thousand well

[2:19:23] Voice 8: eight thousand yes

[2:19:24] Voice 8: and do i get a refund for the tup that i paid for the

[2:19:28] Voice 12: application oh it is a fifty percent

[2:19:31] Voice 12: Okay, so there's a 50%

[2:19:33] Voice 12: So

[2:19:35] Voice 11: can

[2:19:36] Voice 13: you reduce the costs at all?

[2:19:41] Because it's a necessity.

[2:19:44] Voice 13: The

[2:19:44] Voice 12: a grant can be requested.

[2:19:48] Voice 12: Um, is that not for private properties?

[2:19:52] Voice 8: Yeah, it's for not-for-profits, I thought.

[2:19:54] Voice 8: We're in the process for, we're in the process of applying as a charity, we just haven't completed yet.

[2:20:00] Voice 13: And we work with other charities to pay and apply for it on our behalf.

[2:20:06] Voice 13: It's the, yeah,

[2:20:10] Voice 12: it's a grant process, though, because the, you know, your structure right now is a private business.

[2:20:17] Voice 12: It wouldn't qualify to apply for the grant process.

[2:20:19] Voice 12: us and the grant is not given at the outset it's given consideration um the

[2:20:25] Trustee Patrick: executive it's not

[2:20:26] Trustee Patrick: i

[2:20:27] Voice 9: saw uh madrid's hand up there did you have something to offer sir uh

[2:20:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: yes chair there is a

[2:20:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: standing resolution in place uh for when there's an application for a land use or for an unlawful

[2:20:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: land use uh the the applicant can request that the ltc defer enforcement through that standing

[2:20:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: resolution if they believe there's a community need uh for the salty dog to continue and that

[2:20:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would resolve the issues right now uh for violence trust by law enforcement because

[2:21:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there's still ongoing contraventions on the property so the applicant can ask the ltc for

[2:21:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: permission to continue at this time if the ltc believes there's a community need okay thank you

[2:21:20] Voice 9: for that and is that is that uh is that an application or could that be a direct request

[2:21:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it's just a direct request once they've submitted an application

[2:21:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: they've already submitted

[2:21:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the application and so i believe the applicant today should be requesting

[2:21:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: permission from the ltc to proceed with this non-permitted land use while she proceeds with

[2:21:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the original application or a new application okay

[2:21:51] Voice 13: is that is that clear

[2:21:53] Voice 12: if um if mr dingman

[2:21:57] Voice 12: doesn't have any do you have a specific wording for such a resolution mr dingman

[2:22:03] Voice 11: uh

[2:22:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: give me a moment and i'll look up the actual standing resolution

[2:22:08] Voice 12: Do you mind sending it out to Mr. Pingel, Mr. Dingman?

[2:22:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Okay.

[2:22:12] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:22:14] Voice 12: And I'd like to also address that,

[2:22:16] Voice 3: like, in certain, there's more than one aspect where we're trying to get, like, a square peg into a round hole here.

[2:22:23] Voice 3: And from my earlier conversations with the owner, it is her intent to do this on a temporary basis.

[2:22:33] So to go these other steps to make it a permanent change to the zoning is not necessarily the ask of the applicant, or maybe it's not in the

[2:22:44] Voice 3: community interest to go for permanent status of a kennel on the property changing the otp

[2:22:51] Voice 3: in all that stuff when the intent the desire is to go temporary because like three years six years

[2:22:59] Voice 3: that's plenty of time to figure out if it's the right place if she wants to continue in the kind

[2:23:06] Voice 3: of business in perpetuity or you know for the rest of her life or however that goes but she's not

[2:23:12] Voice 3: asking to do that and the structures are all

[2:23:15] Voice 9: temporary the whole thing's set up to be entirely

[2:23:17] Voice 9: to be temporary okay and thank you for that and just so for clarity what i'm hearing staff say

[2:23:22] Voice 9: is that there's there's two things one is that the oc the ocp amendment uh is he who could either be

[2:23:31] Voice 9: to allow to permit temporary use in that in that area which it's currently not

[2:23:37] Voice 9: or it could be to rezone so one is there's there's still a way to go temporary use permit

[2:23:45] Voice 9: or rezoning and that would be maybe the conversation with staff to get some clarity so

[2:23:51] Voice 9: if you want to change the designation so that a temporary permit can be there

[2:23:58] Voice 9: that still has to be an ocp amendment um so then the question is do you want to go towards the

[2:24:09] Voice 13: the full rezoning or temporary is okay sorry i might agree for this part yeah have you dealt

[2:24:16] Voice 13: with the waiting of the one-year waiting period so the

[2:24:20] Voice 3: the form k or schedule k says that there's

[2:24:25] Voice 3: a one-year management period for re-activation on mcp and that was one of the asks from the

[2:24:31] Voice 3: delegation was like if not reconsidering the application then to waive the one-year waiting

[2:24:35] Voice 3: here um

[2:24:38] Voice 12: mr chair the applicant had applied for a temporary permit and if they wanted to submit

[2:24:43] Voice 12: a temporary use permit again today um we would simply return it unless there was a resolution

[2:24:52] Voice 12: said that the ldc is willing to hear the same application to me

[2:24:57] Voice 12: in this case what we're suggesting is that a temporary use permit is not needed at the

[2:25:02] Voice 12: outset of the fisheries do this right you do an ocp application that is not the same it is for the

[2:25:08] Voice 12: same proposal um but if the applicant wanted to apply for an ocp amendment in order to do a tup

[2:25:15] Voice 12: amendment then they would first need to start the process of dealing with the ocp amendment

[2:25:20] Voice 12: as that application advanced we would bring a resolution to lpc at the right time um in order

[2:25:27] Voice 12: to allow you to submit a temporary department if you wanted to overlap those processes or you

[2:25:32] Voice 12: wanted to follow up after the ocp or

[2:25:35] Voice 8: i could do the amendment to the ocp and a rezoning at the

[2:25:43] Voice 8: same time right yeah

[2:25:46] Voice 9: so it's really just either way whether it's temporary use permit because

[2:25:51] Voice 9: as we mentioned earlier and i'm not sure if you were in the room but if we just say you could

[2:25:56] Voice 9: apply right again right now um we're going to get the same staff advice because that this

[2:26:03] Voice 9: property isn't in a temporary we're not to put a temporary use permit there so that's that's

[2:26:09] Voice 9: the ocp amendment that needs to be dealt with so

[2:26:12] Trustee Patrick: regardless of

[2:26:13] Voice 9: whether you go for zoning or

[2:26:14] Voice 9: for temporary use that's my understanding justin patrick you have something now well

[2:26:18] Trustee Patrick: i just might

[2:26:18] Trustee Patrick: i i think there needs to be a detailed conversation between staff and the applicant and

[2:26:26] Trustee Patrick: so that there's a group of people listening to it and i think this needs to be taken

[2:26:32] Trustee Patrick: taken to that level um if any actions are necessary from us to

[2:26:41] Trustee Patrick: hold off enforcement or something of that nature could we not make that motion through

[2:26:47] Trustee Patrick: resolution without meeting after you've met with them and come up with a viable path forward

[2:26:53] Trustee Patrick: that we could then compliment that

[2:26:57] Voice 12: is um if i may mention chair um makes the important point that

[2:27:02] Voice 12: um the resolution not to enforce comes with an active application um so ostensibly that would

[2:27:09] Voice 12: be the ocp amendment application um we can do that by a resolution without minutes upon receiving an

[2:27:15] Voice 12: application um that's that's something that mr pengo is just sorting that out with mr digman

[2:27:20] Voice 12: right now i

[2:27:21] Voice 13: believe he's well it sounds like my

[2:27:24] Voice 8: best bet is to apply for the ocp amendment and

[2:27:27] Trustee Patrick: the rezoning at the same time well i think you should sit down in a conference meeting with staff

[2:27:33] Trustee Patrick: with a whiteboard and roll

[2:27:36] Trustee Patrick: this out yeah yeah understand

[2:27:38] Voice 8: a lot of it so it needs to be explained

[2:27:41] Voice 8: so that i understand

[2:27:43] Trustee Patrick: exactly and i think there's

[2:27:44] Trustee Patrick: some choices here and i think that needs to be

[2:27:46] Trustee Patrick: understood by all parties figuring that out enough of a viable path forward yeah we could spend yeah

[2:27:53] Voice 9: we're not we're not going to get that done today we do have other other business we have to get to

[2:27:57] Voice 9: but um it sounds like mr

[2:28:01] Voice 13: pingel's working with mr daymond on a resolution to bring us

[2:28:06] Voice 11: no i don't think they need to caucus or

[2:28:09] Voice 12: they need to discuss more nope i'm not sure okay so that

[2:28:14] Voice 9: would

[2:28:14] Voice 12: be i'd so forget it seems like we can't get a resolution together okay so i have forwarded the

[2:28:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: resolution or i can read it out to you oh

[2:28:22] Voice 13: you forwarded the resolution okay mr

[2:28:24] Voice 12: damon um the

[2:28:26] Voice 12: challenge here is that we won't have an open application um and we need to refer to a specific

[2:28:32] Voice 12: application to

[2:28:33] Voice 13: direct staff to withhold enforcement during sort of the wording okay right

[2:28:41] Voice 12: can

[2:28:41] Voice 8: you not word it so

[2:28:42] Voice 12: that once the

[2:28:44] Voice 8: application is in so

[2:28:46] Voice 12: so

[2:28:47] Voice 8: that at least we feel we're walking

[2:28:50] Voice 8: away and we're not going to be completely stressed um because we have been so

[2:28:58] Voice 12: we can we can speak

[2:28:59] Voice 12: with mr deepen just to to see if he can if he can hold off until the new year um and we can

[2:29:05] Voice 12: and we can talk about this um in the new year and once we have an application what we can do is put

[2:29:11] Voice 12: a resolution to or these these trustees can make one of them can make a resolution outside of a

[2:29:17] Voice 12: public meeting so they have the ability to create pass what's called a resolution without a meeting

[2:29:22] Voice 12: um so if they pass that resolution not to enforce at that point we would um we would have that

[2:29:29] Voice 12: resolution in place during the lifespan of that application um so as long as mr damon is able to

[2:29:35] Voice 12: not pursue enforcement

[2:29:37] Voice 13: until um you know next year

[2:29:40] Voice 12: until the new year um you know we should be able

[2:29:45] Voice 12: to to make that work does that sound appropriate to you mr dickman i hate to put you on the spot

[2:29:50] Voice 12: like this um

[2:29:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so i understand your position but the standing resolution just says where

[2:29:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: where an application is received.

[2:30:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So, but that's, you know, that it's up to the LTC now whether or not they want to consider a resolution regarding the policy options for violent enforcement compliance on unlawful uses.

[2:30:09] Voice 8: We may not just put an application right away.

[2:30:12] Voice 8: Can you make the resolution?

[2:30:16] Voice 9: So as far as that, is the office open later today? Is the office open tomorrow?

[2:30:23] Voice 9: Time it was.

[2:30:24] Voice 9: Yeah, we're open until Christmas.

[2:30:27] Voice 9: okay so that can happen in the next um even possibly even later today or tomorrow

[2:30:34] Voice 9: uh

[2:30:35] Voice 13: probably when it sounds like you want to actually have a chance to

[2:30:38] Voice 13: have a good conversation and stand up um we

[2:30:42] Voice 12: can um we can provide you with some contact

[2:30:45] Voice 12: information to get that process started right away with our opinion and have you work with

[2:30:49] Voice 12: the planner bucket going forward our

[2:30:52] Voice 8: concern is the safety of all the rescues

[2:31:04] Voice 6: okay uh so yeah i guess our best advice is to get

[2:31:11] Voice 9: to get these guys to give you the information to

[2:31:14] Voice 9: fly as soon as possible and then and then uh once we know that application has been made

[2:31:20] Voice 9: then we can

[2:31:21] Voice 8: that be automatic then once you have the

[2:31:23] Voice 9: application once the application is made as

[2:31:25] Voice 9: mr hutton said we can get that resolution and resolution without meeting we can vote

[2:31:33] Voice 9: by email on it to not enforce

[2:31:35] Voice 13: while the application is being processed um if i may mr chair yes sir

[2:31:43] Voice 11: i'm

[2:31:45] Voice 13: a little bit confused here as to um i thought i heard um miss harris say that she was worried

[2:31:54] Voice 13: about the spca coming and destroying the dogs is that did i hear correctly yes

[2:32:01] Voice 11: so

[2:32:02] Voice 13: but i thought i

[2:32:03] Voice 13: heard you earlier in the meeting say that the spca brings you dogs they

[2:32:08] Voice 8: they have and they have up

[2:32:11] Voice 8: until we ended up uh finding out that the property was a non-zone um it's something you just don't

[2:32:22] Voice 13: yeah so

[2:32:24] Voice 8: basically was it what was explained to us was that if we didn't get our tup and

[2:32:30] Voice 8: the kennel had to close there's nowhere for the rescues to go because many of the rescues that

[2:32:37] Voice 8: we have are not ready for rehoming they were traumatized they came from um abuse and neglect

[2:32:45] Voice 8: and we've been working with them to get them to the point where they can trust they trust us but

[2:32:52] Voice 8: not other people um so if let's say within a week we had to close we called every rescue and

[2:33:01] Voice 8: everybody's full because of covid there's so many covid dogs the people got dogs during covid and

[2:33:07] Voice 8: now they're two two and a half years old and they have been surrendered or dropped off um some

[2:33:14] Voice 8: people drive up to our driveway just they don't even stop completely they open the car door and

[2:33:19] Voice 8: it goes the dog and off they go um

[2:33:21] Voice 13: they wanted to

[2:33:22] Voice 8: bring the dog in okay thank you

[2:33:23] Voice 13: also i was

[2:33:25] Voice 13: wondering about the crd now is there something we can do mr chair and trustee patrick to coordinate

[2:33:33] Voice 13: some kind of an effort with the crd and let them know that we're trying to work with salty dog um

[2:33:43] Voice 13: to address this tup issue and for them to um just

[2:33:50] Voice 6: understand that's what we're doing

[2:33:56] Voice 6: all right i don't know if mr dingman is on

[2:33:59] Voice 12: the line still in terms of the ability to

[2:34:01] Voice 12: coordinate with other important agencies however i would

[2:34:04] Voice 13: also say that may be a bit of political

[2:34:08] Voice 13: advocacy on the part of health he wants to write a letter to your counterparts in those agencies

[2:34:16] Voice 13: see um mr digman

[2:34:22] Voice 9: i don't know if you heard what uh mr was saying there yes

[2:34:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: i did so i mean i can

[2:34:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: contact the crd and try and coordinate them let them know that what actions we've taken

[2:34:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: i'll note that violation notices were issued and disputed so there's still a screening officer

[2:34:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: process that has to go uh we have to go through regarding those disputed uh notices uh initial

[2:34:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: initial action wasn't taken because the tup was going to go before the um LTC and if that had

[2:34:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: proceeded that may have resolved uh the unlawful or non-permitted uses on the property uh but I can

[2:35:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so for Islands Trust there's really nothing for us to do right now uh until we get see what new

[2:35:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: applications come in and what resolutions are passed because we do need to go through that

[2:35:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: screening officer process for the disputed violation notices and I can certainly make

[2:35:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: contact with the crd to let them know that enforcement on some of the land use issues

[2:35:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: are taking place and then try and find out what their concerns are right now and and what they're

[2:35:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: proceeding uh with for enforcement okay

[2:35:32] Trustee Patrick: so i i say i just looked up so the crd has bylaw number 1465

[2:35:39] Trustee Patrick: a bylaw that pertains to looks like the entire capital regional district that's the kennel

[2:35:50] Trustee Patrick: requirements is

[2:35:51] Trustee Patrick: that true i'm

[2:35:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: not actually familiar with that bylaw i'm

[2:35:57] Trustee Patrick: not either i'm

[2:35:58] Trustee Patrick: just just was looking at i can't tell where it's applied it just says within the crd

[2:36:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: yes it probably covers salt spring island as well what

[2:36:08] Voice 8: was explained to me was that unless we had

[2:36:10] Voice 8: our tup they couldn't issue our kennel license and because we didn't have the tup and the kennel

[2:36:16] Voice 8: license we can be fined for not um not having the license or being in the right zone property

[2:36:24] Voice 11: the sbca

[2:36:27] Voice 13: the agent decided to and we've had an agent come on site with those

[2:36:33] Voice 13: intentions and beliefs we had an sbc agent but

[2:36:37] Voice 13: it said that according

[2:36:38] Voice 8: to brie

[2:36:40] Voice 8: All night. Dogs would be eaten up.

[2:36:42] Voice 13: Yeah, an agent can take a dog

[2:36:44] Voice 13: based off the breed, and

[2:36:46] Voice 13: they can do whatever they want

[2:36:48] Voice 13: with it.

[2:36:49] Trustee Patrick: Did you have a kennel

[2:36:50] Trustee Patrick: license for the CRD?

[2:36:52] Voice 13: Any kind of location?

[2:36:53] Trustee Patrick: No,

[2:36:54] Voice 13: but they said that if we didn't have the

[2:36:56] Voice 13: license, they could come back.

[2:36:57] Voice 13: And

[2:36:57] Trustee Patrick: they pointed to

[2:37:01] Voice 13: four dogs.

[2:37:02] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, it's any more than

[2:37:03] Trustee Patrick: four dogs if anywhere in the CRD?

[2:37:05] Trustee Patrick: No, I mean, they pointed to four dogs

[2:37:07] Trustee Patrick: that were taken

[2:37:08] Voice 13: care of as rescues, and they

[2:37:09] Voice 13: said they wanted to take them to the

[2:37:11] Voice 13: yeah basically just don't know well just don't love it like

[2:37:16] Trustee Patrick: i said i i think there needs to be

[2:37:21] Trustee Patrick: a caucus in a boardroom somewhere with all the parties that have uh have have jurisdiction on

[2:37:27] Trustee Patrick: this issue and i don't think it's something we can resolve here today yeah

[2:37:31] Voice 9: i don't believe we

[2:37:32] Voice 9: can resolve all the issues today but i think that uh we've given our best advice which is to

[2:37:38] Voice 9: apply talk talk to staff certainly the the ocp application needs to be made

[2:37:46] Voice 8: whether

[2:37:46] Voice 9: you go zoning or or tup will

[2:37:49] Voice 8: somebody be able to help us through that process so that

[2:37:52] Voice 8: it's completed properly um

[2:37:54] Voice 11: application

[2:37:59] Voice 6: process that's what we're here for how can we get attached

[2:38:06] Voice 6: how can

[2:38:07] Voice 6: we so

[2:38:08] Voice 11: can we just go to the average trust office

[2:38:10] Voice 11: i couldn't see you rob and you'll help me through that

[2:38:15] Voice 6: okay um all

[2:38:20] Trustee Patrick: right then and then we'll wait

[2:38:21] Trustee Patrick: once

[2:38:22] Voice 9: we know that there's an app once there's an application made that formalities made then

[2:38:31] Voice 9: we will we can get that uh that do not enforce uh

[2:38:35] Voice 13: motion to us in a resolution without meaning and

[2:38:39] Voice 13: uh we've heard mr tigman will reach out to or can reach out to the crd and uh hopefully this

[2:38:45] Voice 13: covers things until it starts to get in motion can i just say one last thing yeah um the reason why

[2:38:54] Voice 13: we wanted to do this as quickly as possible

[2:38:57] Voice 12: um today tuesday there were three lost dogs

[2:39:01] Voice 12: dogs on the island. We got two and one home safely.

[2:39:07] Voice 13: We had to meet to discuss this meeting

[2:39:12] Voice 13: and while we were meeting a third got lost and hit. And we hope

[2:39:20] Voice 11: to get back to doing

[2:39:21] Voice 11: what we do as soon as possible.

[2:39:24] Voice 8: We've kept a lot of not only

[2:39:26] Voice 8: the dogs safe on the island

[2:39:28] Voice 8: but the farmers animals because we get out we get out in our car and we find the dogs right away

[2:39:35] Voice 8: um which has them not roaming around and they're not out attacking livestock um they're not getting

[2:39:42] Voice 8: hit like cars they're safe and everybody that has farms has the farm

[2:39:46] Voice 6: animals safe all right

[2:39:52] Voice 6: yeah that's what i was thinking i think okay

[2:39:57] Voice 9: well it sounds like we've done what we can do

[2:39:59] Voice 9: at this meeting today um and uh so i'm gonna i'm gonna move us along um we have one application

[2:40:07] Voice 9: today so i'd like to get that um done before we take our lunch break uh so that is uh

[2:40:16] Voice 13: 13.1

[2:40:17] Voice 13: uh that's sslr 2023.2 linty cranberry road on page 114.

[2:40:28] Voice 13: and i believe that letter uh today hello

[2:40:34] Voice 1: hello hello

[2:40:36] Voice 13: how are you doing today good

[2:40:38] Voice 1: how are you

[2:40:39] Voice 13: excellent all

[2:40:40] Voice 1: right okay good afternoon chair peterson trustee harris and trustee patrick as

[2:40:46] Voice 1: recap this application was first presented to salt spring island ltc at the northern sorry

[2:40:51] Voice 1: at the november 16th ltc and subsequently referred to the agriculture advisory planning committee the

[2:40:58] Voice 1: aapc for comment on the application generally as well as specifically regarding potential changes

[2:41:04] Voice 1: to existing drainage the proposed common road access and whether the salt spring island ltc

[2:41:09] Voice 1: should support this application going to the alc uh the aapc reviewed the application at the

[2:41:15] Voice 1: November 30th meeting the committee recommended that the Salt Spring Island LTC forward the

[2:41:21] Voice 1: application to the ALC with support subject to the recommendation of no further subdivision of

[2:41:26] Voice 1: the ALR land. So staff recommend that the LTC forward the application to the ALC in support

[2:41:33] Voice 1: with the following consideration that the Salt Spring Island AAPC notes concern of further future

[2:41:39] Voice 1: exclusion and future subdivision of proposed law A. Just to note there's a typo in the resolution

[2:41:45] Voice 1: resolution um that's shown on page one of that staff report so if ltc selects this resolution

[2:41:50] Voice 1: we just need a little quick minor amendment um and uh alternative recommendations are found

[2:41:56] Voice 1: um on page 117 of the agenda package the applicant is present live at the meeting should you have any

[2:42:03] Voice 1: further questions and thanks very much thank

[2:42:07] Voice 9: you very much Leonard copra very very succinctly to

[2:42:12] Voice 9: the point um okay so we have the application or application in the room did you want to add

[2:42:20] Voice 9: anything today no probably appreciate the abc's support and uh the

[2:42:27] Voice 13: recognition of uh

[2:42:28] Voice 13: okay

[2:42:29] Trustee Patrick: trustees

[2:42:32] Voice 13: any questions i

[2:42:34] Trustee Patrick: just have one question i'm glad you're live and well

[2:42:38] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[2:42:38] Voice 13: I just

[2:42:41] Trustee Patrick: wanted to question why I think the restrictive covenant approach versus just a note on file because reading, reading the minutes from the APC, it was

[2:42:57] Trustee Patrick: a very strong recommendation that it not be further subdivided to the covenant is that is the tool.

[2:43:04] Trustee Patrick: So, yep,

[2:43:05] Voice 1: yep. So, as proposed. So right now this is just going to LC like there isn't an open subdivision application.

[2:43:14] Voice 1: So this is just for review, like things might change the road might change etc so we're just kind of preliminary here right.

[2:43:21] Voice 1: So the subdivision layout for proposed lot A which is the ALR land is 19.5 hectares

[2:43:28] Voice 1: and the minimum in our zoning the minimum area of an individual lot in the A2 zone that may be

[2:43:35] Voice 1: created through subdivision is eight hectares so like there is as proposed there is subdivision

[2:43:41] Voice 1: potential for two lots in the ALR section and so that this even though that isn't contemplated

[2:43:49] Voice 1: in this application. As you see in the layout, it's 19.5 hectares with the common road access

[2:43:56] Voice 1: going through. So LTC would need a very strong rationale for requiring a restrictive covenant

[2:44:02] Voice 1: prohibiting subdivision of the 19.5 hectares of ALR land. As also beyond the zoning, the OCP for

[2:44:11] Voice 1: that watershed agricultural designation also states that the minimum average size of lots

[2:44:17] Voice 1: can be that can be created by subdivision in the agriculture and watershed agricultural

[2:44:21] Voice 1: designation will remain the same as permitted existing zoning um and so i also like this is

[2:44:27] Voice 1: all like we're kind of getting into speculative land um but like i also included some stuff about

[2:44:32] Voice 1: um uh alr exclusion so say if i subdivided and then i tried to apply for exclusion there's been

[2:44:40] Voice 1: changes changes made in 2020 um where the local government would have to um sort of uh be the

[2:44:48] Voice 1: agent on behalf of the applicant and take the application to the ALC sort of thing so like

[2:44:52] Voice 1: there's a there's different sort of mechanisms in place is what I want to say to um prevent uh

[2:44:58] Voice 1: removal of land from the ALR if that were you know the concern etc um and it's just like I

[2:45:05] Voice 1: I want to note that it's going beyond what's permitted in the zoning, if that makes sense.

[2:45:14] Trustee Patrick: No, it makes sense.

[2:45:15] Trustee Patrick: But as we just saw, people buy property thinking they can do something and then find out they

[2:45:21] Trustee Patrick: can't, where the title is something that shows up when you buy the property as you can't

[2:45:26] Trustee Patrick: do this.

[2:45:28] Trustee Patrick: So it

[2:45:28] Trustee Patrick: sort of stops somebody from getting invested in an idea.

[2:45:32] Trustee Patrick: Right.

[2:45:32] Voice 1: but it would remain a two agricultural two zone um and it the leases are very explicitly stated

[2:45:40] Voice 1: in the zoning okay

[2:45:43] Trustee Patrick: i know that's all right

[2:45:44] Trustee Patrick: thanks for your clarity i guess i think that it's okay

[2:45:48] Trustee Patrick: but uh right

[2:45:51] Voice 6: anything from you trustee

[2:45:53] Voice 13: harris on this um no just a big thank you to charlie

[2:45:56] Voice 13: caprock for uh articulating all that stuff so well great

[2:46:01] Voice 9: so we do have a recommendation

[2:46:03] Voice 9: Mayor Mrakas, recommendation here with some of you, like one of you like to make the motion.

[2:46:08] Voice 9: Mayor

[2:46:08] Trustee Patrick: Mrakas, or I can make that i'll move that the salt spring island local trust me sports application SS al are 2023 point to and request to forward the applications, the agricultural land Commission for further consideration following consideration.

[2:46:23] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- All right,

[2:46:24] Voice 1: so that's we're missing the of and so i'm wondering, should we should LTC sorry amend that, so it has the hub and then and then approve as amended.

[2:46:35] Voice 9: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Consideration of.

[2:46:36] Voice 9: HAB

[2:46:37] Voice 1: -Masyn Moyer- yeah for

[2:46:37] Trustee Patrick: the collaboration with the following consideration of that the salt springs island agricultural advisory planning Commission notes concerns future exclusion.

[2:46:50] Trustee Patrick: and further subdivision of potential lot 8. so

[2:46:54] Voice 9: moved do i have a

[2:46:56] Voice 9: seconder uh

[2:46:58] Voice 13: thank you trustee

[2:47:00] Voice 9: harris uh moved and seconded any further discussion on the motions okay i'm not seeing any so i'll

[2:47:09] Voice 9: call the question all in favor and motion is carried okay thank you everyone i think we're uh

[2:47:18] Voice 9: uh for about uh we're we're well past our initial uh planned time for all of this stuff so i think

[2:47:27] Voice 9: we should take a break now

[2:47:30] Voice 13: and uh it's 20 past can we just make it one o'clock i'm seeing thumbs

[2:47:41] Voice 13: up okay so we will uh we'll take our break till one o'clock and we'll be back here thanks

[3:28:26] Voice 6: You are the trustee Harris. If you're hearing us, we're just about to reconvene here.

[3:28:45] Voice 6: Great. I see you there. Excellent. All right. So we are on page where

[3:28:58] Voice 13: we're on the

[3:28:59] Voice 13: addendum for 530. And so we're on page two of the addendum. And

[3:29:13] Voice 9: so we have a staff

[3:29:14] Voice 9: report here. And I'll turn to regional planning manager to introduce the item.

[3:29:20] Voice 9: sure um

[3:29:21] Voice 6: so thank you mr chair um actually that opens up actually so we've basically following

[3:29:38] up on the november meeting um where ltc asked for uh a new

[3:29:45] Voice 12: bylaw number and look into a number

[3:29:47] Voice 12: of details uh the report follows up on that for the permission of accessory dwelling units

[3:29:54] Voice 12: as well as regulations for ADUs in secondary schools.

[3:30:00] Voice 12: The recommendation remains unchanged that staff proceed with the original amendment bylaw number 530 and proceed with a public hearing.

[3:30:14] Voice 12: The reason for that being that we are in a bit of a strange transition period with regard to public hearing.

[3:30:21] Voice 12: So the option, the request for a new bylaw was potentially not to waive a public hearing

[3:30:29] Voice 12: in order to accelerate this process.

[3:30:31] Voice 12: In researching this process, we provided in the report three ways that this amendment

[3:30:39] Voice 12: can proceed.

[3:30:41] Voice 12: By proceeding without a public hearing, you would be required to read proposed bylaw number

[3:30:47] Voice 12: or draft bylaw number 537, which would not be, because it comes after December 7th when

[3:30:55] Voice 12: the Bill 44 was adopted, it would be essentially prohibited from having a public hearing.

[3:31:01] Voice 12: However, you are still required to publish a notice of the waiver of public hearing.

[3:31:07] Voice 12: Normally, this might accelerate the process, but given the holiday break, there's not much

[3:31:12] Voice 12: benefit to moving to a new bylaw number.

[3:31:15] Voice 12: number. If that was to happen today, you would approve, you would ask us, you would resolve

[3:31:21] Voice 12: to not hold the public hearing for proposed bylaw number 537 and request that staff publish

[3:31:27] Voice 12: notification. And then we would have to, we would hold a, you could either read it on

[3:31:35] Voice 12: the expected LPC date in the new year, February 15th, the first through third times, go to

[3:31:42] Voice 12: to executive committee approval on February 28th

[3:31:47] Voice 12: and then approve bylaw 537 on March 7th.

[3:31:53] Voice 12: Alternatively, there's two options

[3:31:55] Voice 12: that require a special meeting.

[3:31:57] Voice 12: One is to have a public hearing,

[3:31:59] Voice 12: one is to simply have a special meeting

[3:32:01] Voice 12: in order to advance those first two, third readings.

[3:32:06] Voice 12: So in that case, you would still resolve

[3:32:08] Voice 12: to not hold a public hearing for bylaw number 537

[3:32:10] Voice 12: and request that staff public notification that the public hearing will not be held.

[3:32:15] Voice 12: And then prior to January 23rd, this is contingent on the EC schedule for 2024.

[3:32:23] Voice 12: We would have a special meeting where LPC would give first through third readings and

[3:32:27] Voice 12: refer the application of the bylaw to the executive committee.

[3:32:31] Voice 12: They can go to the January 31st executive committee with a February 15th approval.

[3:32:36] Voice 12: And finally, the recommended option here being that we give second reading to the proposed

[3:32:43] Voice 12: amendments previously presented and presented again here in the draft amendments to proposed

[3:32:47] Voice 12: bylaw number 530 prior to January 23rd conducting a public hearing and reading the bylaw a third

[3:32:56] Voice 12: time right after public hearing and then going to EC on January 31st and still coming back

[3:33:03] Voice 12: to february 15th so these are these are pretty much the the best schedulable options for what

[3:33:10] Voice 12: we've got before us um with regards to resolution without meetings as is noted in the report um the

[3:33:18] Voice 12: the options for resolution without meetings can accelerate the process um primarily at the end

[3:33:24] Voice 12: of the process if you wanted to just after january 31st uh make a motion for a resolution without

[3:33:30] Voice 12: meeting uh it's not not really a policy to do so however it is at the discretion of the private

[3:33:37] of the lpc

[3:33:39] Voice 13: uh individual members

[3:33:40] Voice 12: to make the motion and the lpc to to vote on it um so that

[3:33:47] Voice 12: would be um basically right after january 31st um do a resolution without meeting and potentially

[3:33:53] finish it

[3:33:53] Voice 12: um you know maybe 10 days earlier than if you had gone to february 15th um not the ideal

[3:34:00] Voice 12: I will say from an operational standpoint to be running a resolution without being something that detracts from our publication process in the office.

[3:34:10] Voice 12: The other challenge with going to an alternative bylaw number is that there are a number

[3:34:14] Voice 12: of agreements and considerations that ought to be made.

[3:34:17] Voice 12: We recognize that bylaw number 537 is a replica of bylaw 530.

[3:34:24] Voice 12: However, you are required to consider referral.

[3:34:28] Voice 12: and in some cases it's really odd to be doing it.

[3:34:30] Voice 13: This would present like a 90 day break between meetings

[3:34:34] Voice 13: that we saw this summer with the referral process

[3:34:38] Voice 13: and the re-engagement process.

[3:34:40] Voice 12: So not doing so maybe challenging just to see this.

[3:34:49] Voice 13: The facts would be that this new bylaw was read

[3:34:53] Voice 13: and passed without referral.

[3:35:01] Voice 12: We have a bylaw that's been proposed and run and we've gone through all of these things and we've come to the point we've come to, so it may be best to just stick with that number.

[3:35:13] Voice 12: And then we've also looked into the pilot.

[3:35:15] Voice 12: pilot. The pilot process we've adopted with this bylaw, with the amendment to allow ADUs,

[3:35:24] Voice 12: we would be adopting a number of regulations around ADUs.

[3:35:29] Voice 13: Those set pretty clear parameters

[3:35:31] Voice 13: along with the policy set that we have around environmental protection and natural hazard

[3:35:36] Voice 13: management. It's challenging to run a pilot where there's some type of assurance of land

[3:35:44] Voice 13: land use approvals.

[3:35:47] Voice 12: That's something LDC really should be hesitant to do to promise that there

[3:35:52] Voice 12: would be a land

[3:35:53] Voice 13: use approval as a result

[3:35:54] Voice 12: of a successful bid. But we're not being able to

[3:35:57] Voice 12: fully explore that before giving permission to someone to pursue a land use approval. You

[3:36:04] Voice 12: probably just want to do it, go straight to a land use approval process. And again, as long as

[3:36:09] Voice 12: those those applications following this the adoption of this bylaw set to allow adus

[3:36:16] Voice 12: as long as there is a visual parcel applications to

[3:36:19] Voice 13: add adus they would be few and minor and

[3:36:22] Voice 13: considered on their merits so they would it would be the ocp so the recommendation is simply that

[3:36:29] Voice 13: we proceed with bylaw number proposed bylaw number 530 that

[3:36:35] Voice 12: you amended for

[3:36:36] Voice 13: the draft

[3:36:37] Voice 13: have been provided in the in

[3:36:39] Voice 12: the report and proceed to a public hearing um it's it's not

[3:36:47] Voice 12: entirely my place to say but i will say it but i do have some concerns that not having a public

[3:36:51] Voice 12: hearing may result in a um you know we are we are going into a very major set of projects um that

[3:36:58] Voice 12: are going to rely on the trust community it may be best to have heard from the community

[3:37:04] Voice 12: Mayor Mrakas, Healthy see me wish to consider

[3:37:06] Voice 13: that it off to hear fully from the community on this issue prior to making a determination on it.

[3:37:12] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, Public hearing process is an important thing.

[3:37:16] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, that's just all we know that.

[3:37:20] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, Thank you.

[3:37:22] Voice 11: Mayor Mrakas, trustees questions comments.

[3:37:26] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, Are sure I just completely not what we talked about in the last meeting so i'm a little bit.

[3:37:32] Voice 13: But unfortunately, the WebDAV, I only get two pages.

[3:37:36] Voice 13: And anyways, I didn't get to see the – I don't think it quite worked on WebDAV.

[3:37:43] Voice 13: Anyway, this isn't what we talked about.

[3:37:47] Voice 13: We talked about we don't need a public hearing if it's in line with the OCP.

[3:37:53] Voice 13: Clearly, we're in line with the OCP.

[3:37:55] Voice 13: They're small and incremental changes.

[3:37:58] Voice 13: So I really don't know what happened between then and now.

[3:38:02] Voice 13: but um at this point um maybe we just need to reconsider everything i'm not uh i'm not ready

[3:38:13] Voice 13: to move ahead after we talk about

[3:38:15] Voice 9: trustee harris says the addendum is 27 pages so if you only got

[3:38:19] Voice 9: to um uh maybe have

[3:38:23] Voice 13: another look i i downloaded it from webdev uh justin patrick did you have

[3:38:28] Voice 13: something well

[3:38:30] Trustee Patrick: um yeah i'm i think i want to start first with the the pilot concept i don't think we

[3:38:40] Trustee Patrick: ever said you know just you know automatic anyone who wants it get that i we were hoping you would

[3:38:48] Trustee Patrick: create a pilot process to for you to be added to the map how that looks and what approvals need to

[3:38:56] Trustee Patrick: be from us i mean the details of that program needed to be worked out it's a bit surprised to

[3:39:01] Trustee Patrick: see the san juan after two years ago i raised the san juan lottery thing and was told absolutely no

[3:39:06] Trustee Patrick: there was no mechanism so we've already been there done that now back again um so i think

[3:39:13] Trustee Patrick: the concept of the pilot was there was a process and being a pilot is the control mechanism of the

[3:39:20] Trustee Patrick: particularly minor because it's a pilot if you know we're not we already see what's happening

[3:39:26] Trustee Patrick: in every community and you see that they're not getting built and we're some sort of anomaly and

[3:39:31] Trustee Patrick: we get hundreds and hundreds of applications with the pilot we can stop it that's the control

[3:39:37] Trustee Patrick: is that it is a pilot so it has a you know it is you know it it can be stopped it's not a permanent

[3:39:46] Trustee Patrick: process so um you know that's my expectation of the pilot and that it also have a reduced

[3:39:54] Trustee Patrick: fee because it's designed such that you know go through this process it's sort of a simple track

[3:40:01] Trustee Patrick: you don't have to have a public hearing and you know therefore it's a lower cost so we're trying

[3:40:08] Trustee Patrick: to not add barriers to someone who wants to be a landlord you know that's that's that's the

[3:40:14] Trustee Patrick: the idea so yes it needs to be developed and designed i wasn't expecting you to walk in today

[3:40:20] Trustee Patrick: with here's here's the pilot program we got it all figured out here's the you know bells and whistles

[3:40:25] Trustee Patrick: um that the concept of the pilot is that it's it's a method in which you get added to the map

[3:40:33] Trustee Patrick: that is simple uh you know simpler than an application as a land use application

[3:40:40] Trustee Patrick: application. Otherwise, we're kind of back to square, you know, that's like anyone who wants

[3:40:45] Trustee Patrick: to do this application. So I'd still be, I still, you know, I think we, I think we need to make sure

[3:40:55] Trustee Patrick: we talk about the pilot either more as to what expectations are, but it should be, like I said,

[3:41:03] Trustee Patrick: a package program that's easy to understand, less cost, but, you know, do they get batched

[3:41:10] Trustee Patrick: brought to us for approval or whatever of that nature i don't you know that i wasn't expecting

[3:41:16] Trustee Patrick: that they were unfettered um you

[3:41:19] Voice 6: know you just get added to the map um i understand staff's

[3:41:32] Trustee Patrick: hesitation you know i wish i could have a magic wand and go back in time and you know clear all

[3:41:39] Trustee Patrick: this up and make it all nice and clean the issue the issues with going to public bylaw 530 has

[3:41:49] Trustee Patrick: has become an urban legend.

[3:41:53] Trustee Patrick: Even this revised version of being a small map,

[3:41:57] Trustee Patrick: there's just so much baggage out into the community

[3:42:02] Trustee Patrick: that a public hearing held on a bylaw 530,

[3:42:06] Trustee Patrick: even if it was a blank piece of paper,

[3:42:08] Trustee Patrick: would be misunderstood and rile people up

[3:42:16] Trustee Patrick: because nobody reads, nobody understands.

[3:42:21] Trustee Patrick: I've been watching the comments on the paper.

[3:42:23] Trustee Patrick: You know, people are like tired of hearing LTC, ADU, ADC, one, two, three, you know, it's like, nobody knows what we're talking about.

[3:42:34] Trustee Patrick: And so that's my concern with saying sure I mean I think that I can understand why staff said well this is the kind of easy way forward.

[3:42:45] Trustee Patrick: forward I just think from a community perspective it's going to cause concern because no one's going

[3:42:55] Trustee Patrick: to take the time to understand it so I understand proceeding with a new bylaw number is risky

[3:43:06] Trustee Patrick: but I also feel from a political person that I could sit down and face the First Nations that

[3:43:14] Trustee Patrick: have had objections and say we heard you we took you

[3:43:18] Voice 11: seriously and

[3:43:20] Trustee Patrick: the result

[3:43:21] Voice 11: you know it is you

[3:43:26] Voice 11: know it isn't what it was before so um you know so i i feel you know

[3:43:35] Trustee Patrick: that that's more on that's

[3:43:37] Trustee Patrick: on us as a political body to have you know to have those conversations you don't have to have those

[3:43:46] Trustee Patrick: So I would be, you know, leaning toward, you know, the middle round of options that you have in there.

[3:43:59] Trustee Patrick: You should have given them numbers. The one on page four, where we give it a new number,

[3:44:10] Trustee Patrick: resolve not to have a public hearing and proceed through yes we have some explaining to do you know

[3:44:17] Trustee Patrick: to to parties that have big concern but it's basically the the nuts and bolts of it have

[3:44:22] Trustee Patrick: been through referral from the agencies uh all

[3:44:28] Voice 11: the agencies and you know i think as sort of the

[3:44:34] Voice 11: blended

[3:44:35] Trustee Patrick: process that it's become so i i think at least politically safe face with the agencies and

[3:44:42] Trustee Patrick: with other parties and you know i think we'd have to have an explanation note and explain to people

[3:44:47] Trustee Patrick: what the outcome was but i think going into the ocp process to me there's a risk that there's

[3:44:56] Trustee Patrick: there's so much negativity with the number by law 530 that that alone would cause us you know to

[3:45:05] Trustee Patrick: miss you know get people like i said a lot that the mistrust or issues that are going to they're

[3:45:12] Trustee Patrick: going to be there just as we're going to hopefully be kicking off um you know the complete community

[3:45:18] Voice 6: work right on its heels let me see if he feels sorry he's dressing here sorry

[3:45:37] Voice 6: uh any further comments stress to harris at this time or get

[3:45:43] Voice 13: this thing to work yes um

[3:45:49] Voice 13: again i'm

[3:45:50] Voice 6: a bit i don't know can we go on camera i have to look

[3:46:00] Voice 13: to staff to see what is the reason

[3:46:02] Voice 13: what what our reason it's about staff pardon

[3:46:13] Voice 6: me you said for staff matters yeah i suppose mr

[3:46:24] Voice 6: dingle

[3:46:25] Voice 13: could find us a citation there um don't

[3:46:30] Voice 9: have uh i believe we had an in-camera

[3:46:35] Voice 9: scheduled

[3:46:36] Voice 6: i guess i would look to um i would look to uh

[3:46:45] Voice 13: trust patrick for support of that notion

[3:46:55] Voice 12: If you'd like to go into in camera you can do it under 90 subsection subsection see

[3:47:01] Voice 13: labor relations or other employee relations.

[3:47:04] Voice 6: Okay, we have to make a motion.

[3:47:15] Voice 6: Yes, we would have to make a motion for sure.

[3:47:19] Voice 6: I move we go into camera on those sections that were just for mentioned 91 see 91 and

[3:47:35] Voice 13: see labor relations or other relations.

[3:47:37] Voice 13: employee relations number 91 c labor relations or

[3:47:45] Voice 6: other employee relations or other employee

[3:47:49] Voice 13: relations yeah let's

[3:47:51] Voice 13: check with our minute taker

[3:47:53] Voice 4: you've

[3:47:54] Voice 13: got that uh so um yes mr chair um

[3:47:59] Voice 13: could you clarify in

[3:48:02] Voice 12: that resolution if you wish for staff to remain

[3:48:04] Voice 12: provided to

[3:48:06] Voice 12: attend the meeting um that this

[3:48:08] Voice 13: person be permitted to attend the meeting or if you

[3:48:11] Voice 13: wish to have a room to yourself you can do that yes i

[3:48:14] Voice 13: wish we could have the room to ourselves

[3:48:16] Voice 13: please okay and that stuff uh be excluded so what about it

[3:48:21] Voice 9: uh

[3:48:22] Voice 6: except accepting the minute taker okay

[3:48:31] Voice 6: okay so moved and uh do you have a second here for that oh

[3:48:38] Voice 11: sorry i'm just um starting

[3:48:40] Trustee Patrick: off in the

[3:48:41] Trustee Patrick: space here at the moment yes okay

[3:48:44] Voice 9: and seconded uh let us go ahead and call the question on favor

[3:48:50] Voice 9: okay that motion carries so give us a moment

[3:48:57] Voice 13: what's that yes we just voted the motion carried

[3:49:00] Voice 13: so we need to

[3:49:04] Voice 6: okay

[3:49:10] Voice 9: so uh resuming the regular meeting uh

[3:49:16] Voice 9: nothing to rise and report from our closed session um so i'm going to turn it back to uh

[3:49:24] Voice 9: trustees how do we want to proceed or and or comments uh

[3:49:29] Voice 13: i'd love to mr sheriff or laura

[3:49:32] Voice 13: go ahead first oh

[3:49:33] Trustee Patrick: no i didn't say i wanted to hear trustee harris's response to what i had

[3:49:37] Trustee Patrick: my my landing well

[3:49:40] Voice 13: at this point i'm not prepared to move forward with any of this i'm

[3:49:45] Voice 13: Um, I'm, I'm really, I'm not, I, um, I'm concerned with what has been put in front of us.

[3:49:55] Voice 13: Um, and what's happening, what is going to happen with the pilot deal.

[3:50:01] Voice 13: Like there's too much hinging on that.

[3:50:02] Voice 13: Like that's where all this, in my opinion, that's where all the good stuff is supposed

[3:50:07] Voice 13: to happen.

[3:50:09] Voice 13: Um, and we were going to do this, what we'd planned last LTC to deal with the procedural

[3:50:16] Voice 13: issues with the the LCP challenge and this was supposed to take care of it all

[3:50:22] Voice 13: so now I'm not seeing that I'm not prepared to move forward with any of

[3:50:26] Voice 13: this I I'm leaving that for now I guess hey thank you

[3:50:32] Voice 9: just Patrick well I'd like

[3:50:35] Trustee Patrick: I'd like to move forward because if this is an important chapter but maybe we

[3:50:38] Trustee Patrick: could talk about the pilot to see if we can get better understanding about that

[3:50:44] Trustee Patrick: because i i agree with you i'd like i think we need need clarity i mean by again my expectation

[3:50:52] Trustee Patrick: and hope with the pilot was that you know there was the the regulation sets the regulations

[3:51:00] Trustee Patrick: the regulations will exist now

[3:51:04] Voice 6: um

[3:51:06] Trustee Patrick: and that if i'm outside the map area and i want to have an

[3:51:13] Trustee Patrick: accessory dwelling unit and we would have some criteria as to what uh what what uh allows you

[3:51:20] Trustee Patrick: know what would allow you to to have um what to be put

[3:51:26] Trustee Patrick: on yeah to be qualified for for having that

[3:51:28] Trustee Patrick: um and if i meet that criteria then i'm you know so i'd be eligible for this reduced fee to apply

[3:51:36] Trustee Patrick: essentially for this pilot and if I meet you know the verification would be yep

[3:51:44] Trustee Patrick: you'll meet the criteria then there wouldn't be a public hearing but yes

[3:51:49] Trustee Patrick: there would need to be a decision I would expect there to be a decision to

[3:51:53] Trustee Patrick: put you on the map I think that would be our body that would have to make those

[3:51:58] Trustee Patrick: those decisions. Staff would verify, yes, you meet the criteria and is what I was expecting.

[3:52:09] Trustee Patrick: So that, you know, it, like I said, it is a pilot. So, you know, we were responding

[3:52:15] Trustee Patrick: to the hue and

[3:52:16] Trustee Patrick: minor by saying it's a pilot. We are not expecting any, we're kind of back

[3:52:20] Trustee Patrick: to the original bylaw 530 argument that people aren't doing these things. So that's sort

[3:52:25] Trustee Patrick: of the control mechanism of not having many, but now it's a pilot. So if we were wrong and

[3:52:32] Trustee Patrick: people flood in with applications, it's a pilot. The valve is the pilot. We can dial it back

[3:52:40] Trustee Patrick: if it becomes a popular thing. Meanwhile, we're going to be starting our OCP land use bylaw

[3:52:49] Trustee Patrick: project where hopefully we'll find a permanent solution that the pilot would be replaced through

[3:52:56] Trustee Patrick: that process anyway because we would have a permanent I would hope you know a permanent

[3:53:03] Trustee Patrick: way forward once we do the OCP land use bylaw project so that I mean that was sort of my

[3:53:09] Trustee Patrick: expectations of a pilot I knew it had to be designed and figured out but if

[3:53:15] Voice 13: I may Mr. Chair

[3:53:18] Voice 6: yes

[3:53:21] Voice 13: this is going to take time i do not trust in this how how things are being done i just

[3:53:28] Voice 13: don't trust in what the outcome will be and as you just mentioned trustee patrick we're doing

[3:53:34] Voice 13: this big ocp deal let's focus on that let's fix the ocp so that we can put the original bylaw 530

[3:53:43] Voice 13: through because this isn't going to work i can see from what i also came in this it's in our agenda

[3:53:50] Voice 13: agenda today about this um the uh requirements for water I have no faith in in this um pilot

[3:54:01] Voice 13: you know getting to where it needs to be and I'm I'm not in favor of scrapping bylaw 530 now at

[3:54:11] Voice 13: this point after what I've seen and what's how this has progressed um I have zero trust in how

[3:54:18] Voice 13: this will turn out the only hope i have at this point is that we will deal with the ocp and

[3:54:25] Voice 13: hopefully quicker than than what other people think um you know it will take hopefully we can

[3:54:32] Voice 13: do it much quicker i think we can if we put our heads together and focus on that make it a top

[3:54:38] Voice 13: priority and then we can pass by lot 530 so we can have what the province would have given us

[3:54:44] Voice 13: um not quite as much with this bill 44 and 4 deal um because this is a big swamp we're at this point

[3:54:54] Voice 13: um and people are not i'm i'm not in favor of any of this i won't be voting for this pilot i will

[3:55:00] Voice 13: not be voting for any of these recommendations today on this um but i'm for leaving 530

[3:55:09] Voice 13: and moving on to the ocp and deal you know we've got there's like i said i've been witnessing

[3:55:19] Voice 13: downtown i see what's going on and there's six days a week unfortunately not today but people

[3:55:26] Voice 13: are using the park as their toilet like this is and i'm not making this up this is what's going

[3:55:32] Voice 13: on in the middle of the day kids are playing in this stuff people are using the boardwalk

[3:55:38] Voice 13: as a toilet like i have boats are blowing in out of the harbor onto shore we got to do something

[3:55:51] Voice 13: this is not going to cut it this is a big waste of time and i have a question maybe i'll wait

[3:55:58] Voice 13: till we get further on but i do have a question for you um chair peterson i guess i'll hold off

[3:56:04] Voice 13: on that but wait till we get to the further parts of the agenda anyway as far as this goes i'm not

[3:56:10] Voice 13: prepared to to go forward at all i won't be avoiding in favor of anything here and um i

[3:56:17] Voice 13: think it's be a good thing if at least you know our trustees on salt spring island could agree

[3:56:23] Voice 13: on what we're going to do with 5 30 and this doesn't get pushed through thank you okay uh

[3:56:30] Voice 9: trustee patrick well

[3:56:32] Trustee Patrick: my concern is time it's going to take time to go through the ocp process

[3:56:37] Trustee Patrick: process and I you know we need to figure out the pilot and get a pilot working that is the

[3:56:45] Trustee Patrick: mechanism in which people get on accessory dwelling units and what you described what

[3:56:50] Trustee Patrick: we're seeing downtown if it's going to provide some housing but it's primarily it's legalizing

[3:56:59] Trustee Patrick: the housing that's already existing that people are already renting out are the ones that are

[3:57:05] Trustee Patrick: are going to be benefiting the most are those that have been waiting for a legal path forward

[3:57:10] Trustee Patrick: because they're not going to do it unless they have a legal path and there will be some okay on

[3:57:15] Voice 13: that on that note i'd like exactly on what you just stated there trustee patrick on that note

[3:57:21] Voice 13: that's where my big concern is that the people that are already existing will not be able to

[3:57:25] Voice 13: get in on the pilot project there will be some sort of something oh you don't have enough water

[3:57:29] Voice 13: oh your sewage isn't quite up to snuff because we're at the same time as we're talking about

[3:57:34] Voice 13: this we have a thing coming up on the agenda where we're going to up the requirements um for water

[3:57:41] Voice 13: like i don't trust this at all you know the name's tucker not sucker kind of deal so anyway i'll

[3:57:49] Voice 13: leave it at that well

[3:57:50] Trustee Patrick: that to me that's subdivision the water the water requirements for adus are a

[3:57:55] Trustee Patrick: whole different process how

[3:57:57] Voice 13: is that different how is that i don't understand how that's different

[3:58:00] Voice 13: because you state somebody stated earlier that once the subdivision is done then people can do

[3:58:04] Voice 13: rain catchment or whatever they are or what or whatever they

[3:58:07] Voice 13: wish so what it doesn't make any

[3:58:08] Voice 13: sense that makes sense

[3:58:10] Voice 13: the crd you already need to prove water to the crd before you can get a

[3:58:14] Voice 13: building permit so this whole um play of what's happening here coming down the pipe today at the

[3:58:21] Voice 13: and we should probably talk to it to it when we get to it in the agenda but i have much more to

[3:58:26] Voice 13: say about it yeah

[3:58:28] Voice 9: yeah i agree that we should we should uh wait to to wade into that so we're not

[3:58:34] Voice 9: conflating the different parts of the agenda that's a very good

[3:58:37] Voice 13: point that's a very good

[3:58:38] Voice 13: point mr chair and with that i i feel this what we're talking about right now needs to be deferred

[3:58:44] Voice 13: because this is important what's coming up in the agenda this relates directly to this i am

[3:58:49] Voice 13: zero prepared to further any of this stuff on bylaw 530 or whichever new number is called today

[3:58:54] Voice 13: day I it's it's not right right

[3:58:58] Voice 9: I'm gonna see the staff wants to um add something here and then I'll

[3:59:04] Voice 9: come back to address the path I don't know how much

[3:59:07] Voice 12: this adds but if I'm if I'm hearing um some

[3:59:09] Voice 12: apprehension about discussing bylock for 5 30 um ahead of um the other project reports that are on

[3:59:16] Voice 12: the agenda today is that your prerogative to um change the order of the agenda if there's other

[3:59:22] items you feel should be discussed

[3:59:23] Voice 12: before um rather than deferring this item you could choose

[3:59:28] Voice 12: to come back to it after discussing those other items that would

[3:59:32] Voice 9: help the discussion to move

[3:59:33] Voice 9: forward thank you for that advice uh trustee patrick well

[3:59:37] Trustee Patrick: i i see the mess apples and oranges

[3:59:39] Trustee Patrick: at this point i mean that you know the proof of the subdivision is future accessory dwelling

[3:59:45] Trustee Patrick: units and subdivisions that don't even exist yet versus you know current subdivided lots

[3:59:51] Trustee Patrick: And that's what this process is really about is so they're not related is how I in my brain.

[4:00:00] Trustee Patrick: So

[4:00:00] Voice 9: it occurs to me that maybe taking staff's advice

[4:00:06] Voice 9: to come back to the side of after we've had that discussion

[4:00:10] Voice 9: might be helpful.

[4:00:13] Voice 9: And I would look to trustees to approve that

[4:00:18] Voice 9: so that we would go

[4:00:21] Voice 6: to 14.3 and then come back.

[4:00:30] Voice 6: Is that a suggestion?

[4:00:34] Voice 6: okay is that is that okay with trustees sure

[4:00:40] Voice 9: okay because then we then maybe that will inform the

[4:00:44] Voice 9: further discussion on 14.2 so given that let's go to page 135 uh oh okay

[4:00:54] Voice 11: we're going to switch those

[4:00:55] Voice 11: two we'll

[4:00:57] Voice 9: go to page 135 i wasn't thinking that i didn't think the other ones are

[4:01:01] Voice 9: they're different

[4:01:03] Voice 9: right they're quite a bit different so let's go to page 135 and uh um we have a

[4:01:12] Voice 13: staff uh report from

[4:01:16] Voice 13: uh planner yeomans they see uh uh julian shalva the benchmark specialist here as well

[4:01:26] Voice 13: and so let's hear from them and then maybe we'll get some clarity that we'll talk about before

[4:01:31] Voice 13: mark that's really

[4:01:33] Voice 6: frankly point one thank you chair um

[4:01:39] Voice 13: maybe just for trustee harris's benefit

[4:01:42] Voice 13: as uh we haven't had a chance to meet in person yet i was just going to let you know uh trustee

[4:01:47] Voice 13: harris i'm a long time player with the islands trust here on salt spring i left the organization

[4:01:51] Voice 13: but i'm back now on a on a temporary assignment doing some work on behalf of the salt spring

[4:01:56] Voice 13: local trust committee sort of picking up some projects that had fallen behind a little ways

[4:01:59] Voice 13: and at least trying to bring them back here to the local trust committee's attention and determine

[4:02:03] Voice 13: what next steps you guys might be interested in and i'm also giving some support to the

[4:02:08] Voice 13: organization's regional planning team as well and so um the particular item here that

[4:02:17] Voice 13: they brought to the forefront now um is a land use bylaw amendment that

[4:02:24] Voice 13: the ltc's direction staff have been working on for the past number of years

[4:02:28] Voice 13: and really its primary purpose is simply to make the subdivision process a little bit smoother

[4:02:36] Voice 13: and to bring our land use bylaw regulations into alignment with the province's water sustainability

[4:02:42] Voice 13: act and we're trying through this bylaw amendment which has been known by law number 532

[4:02:49] Voice 13: to bring some clarity to what we ask of applicants at the time of their subdivision application

[4:02:54] Voice 13: Prior to the development of this bylaw, we had found that there was often conflict and confusion at the time of people's subdivision applications around what the expectations were of what kind of proof of water they were expected to provide, and this created delays in the subdivision application process and a lot of back and forth and sort of low-level conflict, I guess you could call it, between applicants and staff,

[4:03:22] Voice 13: as we tried to secure from applicants the type of information that we thought was required

[4:03:27] Voice 13: in order to make sound subdivision decisions and so this file was developed in coordination with

[4:03:35] Voice 13: the technical working group of swipa and indeed with a lot of back and forth with our colleagues

[4:03:41] Voice 13: in the provincial government in their in their water branch just to ensure that we were going

[4:03:49] Voice 13: to put forward something that was generally in alignment and supported by the province so that

[4:03:54] Voice 13: it um so that it worked well with the water sustainability act william would you care to

[4:03:59] Voice 13: add anything about sort of the technical details to date um i i think that um funny omens has

[4:04:08] Voice 13: stated the technical uh approach to the bylaw uh well and articulated the political direction that

[4:04:16] Voice 13: spot in this that was um and it came out of a few subdivisions where the applicant

[4:04:24] Voice 13: hired a consultant and undertook work that was not accepted by planning staff so then

[4:04:31] Voice 13: those applicants had to go and spend more time and money to get appropriate

[4:04:38] Voice 13: consulting work done to satisfy a group of water subdivision in our referral to the ministry of

[4:04:45] Voice 13: transportation infrastructure the majority of this proof of water update has been

[4:04:56] Voice 13: informed by the majority of subdivision when it's happened on salt spring from from consultants that

[4:05:04] Voice 13: know the island that know the island's trust that have provided good sound advice for applicants

[4:05:10] Voice 13: and they got their subdivision, moved through MOTI.

[4:05:15] Voice 13: There has been a few subdivision applications that have gotten professional engineers

[4:05:23] Voice 13: and geoscientists that aren't familiar with the land use bylaw,

[4:05:27] Voice 13: and they essentially got bad advice from those consultants

[4:05:32] Voice 13: and provided expensive work that didn't support their subdivision application.

[4:05:39] Voice 13: So staff have

[4:05:42] Voice 3: addressed this and working with our provincial colleagues have provided an update to the land use bylaw that is consistent with the Water Sustainability Act and that provides good information

[4:05:55] Voice 13: to applicants so they can get their subdivision moving through the MOTI provincial approving process.

[4:06:04] Voice 13: process. The alternative of not having a land use bylaw group of water for subdivision is

[4:06:12] Voice 13: that that then gets deferred to the Ministry of Transportation and some LTAs have that

[4:06:21] Voice 13: provision and in this case it remains within the LTC's control and throughout all of this

[4:06:31] Voice 13: if there is a deviation from the land use bylaw,

[4:06:36] Voice 13: an applicant can apply to the LTC for a variance.

[4:06:42] Voice 13: And if there isn't this provision of proof of water,

[4:06:45] Voice 13: and if it's just through the MOTI,

[4:06:47] Voice 13: I'm not sure, I'll put it under yeoman's,

[4:06:50] Voice 13: but there's no variance application through the LTC

[4:06:55] Voice 13: that can then go to the MOTI

[4:06:56] Voice 13: to vary their requirements, I think.

[4:06:58] Voice 13: think um so in in staff's perspective this is facilitating appropriate process through

[4:07:09] Voice 13: subdivision and and i will just make a quick comment that this is for zoned properties that

[4:07:20] Voice 13: have the current ability to subdivide and to prove water to get that subdivision through mti and this

[4:07:28] Voice 13: this is not concerning existing properties

[4:07:31] Voice 13: and expansion of water in existing properties

[4:07:36] for the purposes of say,

[4:07:39] accessory dwelling units

[4:07:40] Voice 13: or elsewise.

[4:07:43] Voice 13: Another clarification of this update of the land use bylaw

[4:07:48] Voice 13: compared to the existing one is that we are removing

[4:07:53] Voice 13: the local government's concern over

[4:07:59] Voice 13: the different types of volumes needed for non-domestic water requirements which is

[4:08:06] Voice 13: since the water sustainability act is not in the purview of local government that is up to

[4:08:11] Voice 13: the applicant to apply to the provincial government for that licensing for example

[4:08:17] Voice 13: if there is a subdivision that has multi-family housing that requires a water license

[4:08:23] Voice 13: this does not mean that every dwelling within that multi-family dwelling needs 2 000 liters per day

[4:08:30] Voice 13: it's up to the applicant to apply to the provincial authorities to ask them for whatever

[4:08:37] Voice 13: water they think they need and then they go through that process and bring that back to

[4:08:42] Voice 13: the local trust committee and say here is our water license and we're going to go for the subject

[4:08:46] Voice 13: which um one other comment i want to make with respect to uh industrial lands or general

[4:08:55] employment plans on salt spring island

[4:08:57] Voice 13: that it seems and i could be correct about finding stuff

[4:09:01] Voice 13: but every parcel is permitted to dwelling so that so for that sake if there is a subdivision that

[4:09:12] Voice 13: that provides a lot that can have a dwelling on it they need to prove 2 000 liters per day

[4:09:19] Voice 13: because there's a potential to have a dwelling there and then in addition if they have say a

[4:09:24] Voice 13: brewery or whatever that requires additional non-domestic water they need to apply to legally

[4:09:31] Voice 13: use that water from the province if it comes from a surface water source or groundwater

[4:09:36] Voice 13: water um and

[4:09:38] Voice 13: and that's up to the applicant in the province and obtaining that authorizations and

[4:09:42] Voice 13: license i'm open to questions and i hope that didn't make it more interesting thank you mr

[4:09:51] Voice 13: um questions comments sure i've questioned um trustee peterson um on luskete what you know a

[4:10:04] Voice 13: smaller island I guess there's probably more stringent you know rules when it comes to proof

[4:10:14] Voice 13: of water you know what the you know what the amount is for a subdivision on Lusketeers?

[4:10:22] Voice 9: Well I know on Lusketeers we're working on we're reviewing our OCP right now and part of it is

[4:10:30] Voice 9: is uh exploring a proof of water at time of subdivision as similar to this i don't know

[4:10:39] Voice 9: what the numbers are um but i know that the default in in the absence of that as as mr

[4:10:45] Voice 9: shovel says it's uh it's just directly uh with the province um so i don't know what the numbers look

[4:10:53] Voice 9: like uh i see um okay thank you

[4:10:57] Voice 9: thank you

[4:10:59] Voice 13: um so that's that's a good point um it's when it's time

[4:11:04] Voice 13: to subdivide we go to the province this is a you know an exercise and spent money and staff

[4:11:11] Voice 13: resources that we don't do not need to be spending money on it's already taken care of we're trying

[4:11:16] Voice 13: of metal in senior government um areas now this will not help our housing situation here uh for

[4:11:24] Voice 13: the workforce ownership housing it's clear um you know if you go to i have made some notes on this

[4:11:32] Voice 13: i'm so fired up um this 5.5.8 new drilled wells used for the purpose of subdivision application

[4:11:39] Voice 13: must not be located within 50 meters of natural boundary of the sea and the deepest wells on salt

[4:11:44] Voice 13: spring is around that um boundary it's over 800 feet deep out in long harbor and it's fresh water

[4:11:55] Voice 13: um so there's provincial rules now that state you cannot pump water from a well the salinity is

[4:12:04] Voice 13: above a certain level that is binding on drillers and plumbers and should be sufficient to cover the

[4:12:11] Voice 13: concerns that are put up you know in this new policy it's not needed um 5.5.13 is is unnecessary

[4:12:23] Voice 13: since provincial regulate regulations bar the use of wells where salinity is of concern

[4:12:28] Voice 13: um in using these numbers so basically we're saying rain catchment you know if you use some

[4:12:34] Voice 13: basic math here and square footage catchment which has been used in previous years for quite a long

[4:12:42] Voice 13: time 1500 square feet um the average rainfall three feet a year um that's uh 4 500 cubic feet

[4:12:50] Voice 13: um of water uh 33 660 gallons u.s gallons a year um so but going with what is needed now we're not

[4:13:04] Voice 13: going to be able to use you can't use rain catchment like i i don't know how that is gonna

[4:13:11] Voice 13: to me that's um it's ludicrous um the other point is

[4:13:22] Voice 6: um where

[4:13:24] Voice 13: is it here 5.5.14 for the purpose of

[4:13:32] Voice 13: subdivision alternative potable water supplies including but not limited to shallow dug wells

[4:13:36] Voice 13: rainwater catchment and desalination are not permitted sources of potable water staff comment

[4:13:41] Voice 13: this clause is new and based on the following rationale long-term viability of shallow and

[4:13:46] Voice 13: dug wells under the influence of climate change is difficult to establish rainwater is too

[4:13:50] Voice 13: too inconsistent a source under the influence of climate change on which to increase lot density.

[4:13:57] Voice 13: Desalinization on lot-by-lot scale is potentially environmentally problematic.

[4:14:03] Voice 13: So you want to ban desalinization. There's link after link how desalinization can work

[4:14:10] Voice 13: on a small scale for homes. All I see here is an exercise in making sure nothing more goes on here.

[4:14:17] Voice 13: this is the kind of stuff and i want to go on camera because under the same section we did

[4:14:22] Voice 13: prior this is the kind of stuff maybe actually oh wait but we will i'm going to ask to go into

[4:14:29] Voice 13: camera this is the kind of stuff that comes from people that are saying suggesting that

[4:14:33] Voice 13: salt spring should be depopulated and to a 1500 to 2000 people a year i i propose we go into in

[4:14:40] Voice 13: camera session um under the same section that we used uh prior um

[4:14:45] Voice 9: so trustee harris i i i think we

[4:14:48] Voice 9: need uh i'm not gonna entertain that at this point i think we need to be well

[4:14:52] Voice 13: i think i'm sorry

[4:14:53] Voice 9: i think we

[4:14:55] Voice 13: need to seriously like way more than we did the last time i've got some things to tell

[4:15:01] Voice 13: you you need to hear and if you're serious about doing a good job as a chair on this island you

[4:15:06] Voice 13: need to hear it and okay well please let's uh i'd

[4:15:11] Voice 13: like i'd like

[4:15:12] Voice 9: to um i'm not going to rule that out

[4:15:15] Voice 9: out of uh possibility at this time but i'm i'm not going to move into camera i don't think we

[4:15:21] Voice 9: should move into camera at this time i'd like

[4:15:23] Voice 13: to hear from other trustees then i move we defer this

[4:15:26] Voice 13: until february where we can have a much more robust discussion about this there are many more

[4:15:31] Voice 13: people that want to speak to this people are fired up about this this is not going to help our housing

[4:15:35] Voice 13: situation or the workforce housing uh crisis um you know and our abilities to address it

[4:15:41] Voice 13: this goes against that i don't care what anybody says this is not going to help the situation this

[4:15:49] Voice 13: is going to make it worse this is coming this is eco-radical stuff at its finest okay thank you

[4:15:55] Voice 13: trustee harris i'm just going

[4:15:56] Voice 9: to i want to hear before we hear your motion to defer uh i saw

[4:16:01] Voice 9: I saw Trustee Patrick had her hand up,

[4:16:03] Voice 9: and we also have some comments from staff.

[4:16:10] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick.

[4:16:11] Voice 6: Oh, I'm so sorry.

[4:16:15] Trustee Patrick: We are not deciding today to implement this bylaw.

[4:16:21] Trustee Patrick: My understanding of what we're deciding today

[4:16:24] Trustee Patrick: is whether or not to continue

[4:16:29] Trustee Patrick: with setting a proof of water bylaw.

[4:16:32] Trustee Patrick: I agree we need a proof of water bylaw because I have experienced and seen the differences

[4:16:42] Trustee Patrick: that we've had in the uncertainty and that the applicants want a process that they understand

[4:16:50] Trustee Patrick: how to do.

[4:16:51] Trustee Patrick: So we don't need to debate the terms of this current bylaw.

[4:16:56] Trustee Patrick: We need to be able to, because this was brought to us last term and we asked a few questions

[4:17:01] Trustee Patrick: And that's why it didn't work this like getting it back, but but we did ask some questions and the questions we had.

[4:17:12] Trustee Patrick: I didn't go back and listen to the tape, but I did go back and look through all my notes.

[4:17:17] Trustee Patrick: One question was concerned of driving unintended consequences of somebody drilling deeper,

[4:17:26] Trustee Patrick: or further more just to get the numbers and that that could actually cause more harm so you know

[4:17:32] Trustee Patrick: was there a way to to you know address the unintended consequences um of that and the other

[4:17:44] Trustee Patrick: point was that new sub you know this was very much designed on the historical method of

[4:17:54] Trustee Patrick: subdividing you know large kind of large parcels uh with houses separated house well house well

[4:18:00] Trustee Patrick: where um you know to have affordable housing is clustered housing close together and that it would

[4:18:10] Trustee Patrick: be more of a water utility uh type of water service rather than this group of water which

[4:18:17] Trustee Patrick: would be a different issue um i know i did look at highlands district of highlands uh their

[4:18:23] Trustee Patrick: proof of water most municipalities have proof of water um that are almost very similar to this um

[4:18:32] Trustee Patrick: and district of highlands has a section for the the um whatever you want to call for utilities

[4:18:40] Trustee Patrick: and so um i think it would be nice to either have you know there needs to be a path

[4:18:45] Trustee Patrick: uh because i know for me going

[4:18:46] Trustee Patrick: forward i'd like to see houses clustered together not

[4:18:49] Trustee Patrick: not separated you know all over the place um what was my other thing so that so like I said my

[4:18:58] Trustee Patrick: understanding is this is about do we want to go forward and get this figured out and then a lot

[4:19:04] Trustee Patrick: of the concerns you raise I mean yes we tend to you'll have a proof of water that'll be more

[4:19:09] Trustee Patrick: restrictive but in a case where someone you know comes to us with a need they come arguing with

[4:19:17] Trustee Patrick: the need and then we can vary it if it's a you know specific case where they need to uh you

[4:19:23] Trustee Patrick: know accommodate something that was wasn't considered but they have to come before us

[4:19:29] Trustee Patrick: um and that's a you know allows that to move forward thank

[4:19:34] Voice 6: you uh tell some staff answer

[4:19:38] Voice 6: any respect to uh 5.5.4 uh

[4:19:48] Voice 13: for the purpose of subdivision uh alternative potable water

[4:19:53] Voice 13: water supplies, including Bon Island 2, Shallow Doug Wells, and rainwater catchment and desalination

[4:19:59] Voice 13: are not permitted sources of potable water. I think across the Islands Trust area, I am

[4:20:07] Voice 13: not aware of a subdivision that was solely subdivided on rainwater catchment and desalination.

[4:20:12] Voice 13: There has been subdivision on Denman Island where they drilled wells and they were saline and Denman did not have a proof of water bylaw that said that you couldn't use salination.

[4:20:34] Voice 13: So staff actually created a water treatment covenant for the purposes of moving through subdivision because that's what directed them by the land use bylaw.

[4:20:50] Voice 13: And of course that was made known to the province and the province said this is unlawful to pump salty water.

[4:21:01] Voice 13: So then that was just a long period of time, about half a year for that subdivision, where finally the province stepped in and they worked with the applicant.

[4:21:14] Voice 13: And for a few other salty wells, instead of, like Krusty Patrick said, to drill deeper, they actually worked with the hydrogeologist to cement off the problem fracture.

[4:21:25] Voice 13: structure and they were able to find a lower amount of water that was not salty and one

[4:21:34] Voice 13: of the parcels that they had couldn't find it dug well so then they used shallow wells

[4:21:41] Voice 13: and I believe that subdivision was successful on moving through MOTI the purposes of us

[4:21:50] Voice 13: putting shallow dug wells in here and this was in consultation deeply with the province

[4:21:55] Voice 13: is that there is a worry that during subdivision a developer would just simply take an excavator

[4:22:05] Voice 13: and dig holes into the ground and design shallow dug wells that would prove water for a short period

[4:22:13] Voice 13: of time and then people would purchase these properties working families and not have an

[4:22:21] Voice 13: adequate supply of water and then the burden is on them to install alternative uses of course if

[4:22:30] Voice 13: there is a subdivision that has a good source of shallow for water which is very rare on this

[4:22:39] Voice 13: island they can apply for a variance in addition to that comment if there is a subdivision that is

[4:22:51] Voice 13: on the ocean and it has a well that is not salty and within 50 meters of the

[4:23:00] Voice 13: natural boundary they as well can apply for a variance. This bylaw has been

[4:23:08] Voice 13: updated to satisfy the majority of subdivision applications across the

[4:23:14] Voice 13: island. Of course there can be special considerations of any subdivision and

[4:23:20] Voice 13: And that applicant can come to the LTC and ask for a variance.

[4:23:28] Voice 13: Thank

[4:23:29] Voice 9: you. So just a question for me while you were speaking there.

[4:23:34] Voice 9: You said you were not aware of any subdivision across the area that was based solely on desalinization, federal catchment.

[4:23:43] Voice 9: and and what would the what would the provincial process look like with the prevent would the

[4:23:48] Voice 9: provincial process allow subdivision based solely on desalinization or catchment yes

[4:23:55] Voice 9: sorry i'm asking

[4:23:56] Voice 13: staffer is that going to return with that okay that's that's a

[4:24:02] Voice 9: question you can

[4:24:03] Voice 9: come back to us with because i don't know the answers to that i mean i would be surprised

[4:24:08] Voice 9: if the province would

[4:24:09] Voice 13: allow us although

[4:24:10] Voice 9: trust trustee harris

[4:24:12] Voice 9: but

[4:24:13] Voice 13: i

[4:24:17] Voice 9: i'm just i'm not personally conversant enough with the provincial regulations to state

[4:24:23] Voice 9: with confidence

[4:24:24] Voice 13: that that's right

[4:24:25] Voice 13: the crd passed the decel subdivision on the sandwich peninsula

[4:24:32] Voice 13: okay um

[4:24:33] Voice 6: that's anyway at any rate

[4:24:35] Voice 9: that's something i would like to find out about more more about um

[4:24:39] Voice 9: Um, was there something else over here, Justice Patrick?

[4:24:42] Voice 9: Well,

[4:24:42] Trustee Patrick: again, this is just progressing the project charter to move toward getting a proof

[4:24:47] Trustee Patrick: of water, um, you know, so that all these conversations would still yet happen.

[4:24:54] Trustee Patrick: We don't need to debate the details today just because, um, all we're doing is saying

[4:24:59] Trustee Patrick: should we proceed, should we have a proof of water, um, you know, have a proof of water

[4:25:06] Trustee Patrick: for subdivision?

[4:25:07] Trustee Patrick: i i yes what's in the proof of water is the there's another question number two but that

[4:25:13] Trustee Patrick: we've got to start here right okay thank you

[4:25:17] Voice 13: thank you we already have proof of water we are

[4:25:20] Voice 13: people have to prove water in order to subdivide the island's trust does not need to be involved

[4:25:25] Voice 13: in it it's already there this 5.5.14 wants to not only ban desalinization but ban rainwater

[4:25:33] Voice 13: catchment for something like clearly I'm prepared to say no we don't need it but I'm sure that I'm

[4:25:41] Voice 13: not going to get the consensus from the chair and my fellow trustee today but hopefully we can get

[4:25:46] Voice 13: consensus on that we defer this from going any no recommendations voted on or anything today

[4:25:52] Voice 13: until at least February and we can have a much more robust discussion with different experts

[4:25:59] Voice 13: it's brought in this deserves that okay

[4:26:02] Voice 9: thank you for

[4:26:03] Voice 9: restating those points uh trustee harris uh

[4:26:06] Voice 9: mr shola it's not me if

[4:26:10] Voice 13: you wish chair staff are not suggesting to ban rainwater catchment

[4:26:17] Voice 13: staff are proponents of the rainwater catchment staff have been working with the regional district

[4:26:23] Voice 13: of nimo to ensure the rainwater catchment rebates that happen in gabriel island for over a decade

[4:26:29] Voice 13: now. What we're trying to do here is ensure that when subdivision occurs, that the process

[4:26:38] Voice 13: will go through MOTI and subdivisions will be approved. If a subdivision comes to the

[4:26:46] Voice 13: LTC and they say we want to subdivide on rainwater catchment, they'll apply for a variance, which

[4:26:55] Voice 13: I'm not sure what the cost of that is. I'm not sure if the LTC can waive that cost, but

[4:26:59] Voice 13: whatever it is they will apply for a variance and work with the ltc and staff to ensure that their

[4:27:05] Voice 13: rainwater catchment subdivision is appropriate enough to go through moti staff can work with

[4:27:11] Voice 13: moti to ensure that that's going to go through this is not a ban okay thank

[4:27:18] Voice 11: you for that

[4:27:19] Voice 11: clarification that's

[4:27:21] Voice 13: what it appears to me as a hundred percent moti already is is is on it

[4:27:27] Voice 13: so i'm not sure how i'm supposed to look at it in a different light but um i'm sure there'll be

[4:27:35] Voice 13: others that have the exact same um view as myself that would like to voice their opinion on this

[4:27:40] Voice 13: thank

[4:27:44] Voice 6: you trustee harris uh anything further from staff or trustee

[4:27:50] Voice 13: patrick well

[4:27:51] Trustee Patrick: i i think

[4:27:52] Trustee Patrick: timeliness of because the business case even though this is not taxable money it's coming

[4:28:00] Trustee Patrick: out of the surplus money but getting the business case into the process is got we got to get going

[4:28:08] Trustee Patrick: on that um to get added to the process so i mean delaying this decision may mean it doesn't get

[4:28:22] Trustee Patrick: funded um

[4:28:23] Voice 12: interesting question now um the last conversation that i had with director mobs is that

[4:28:29] Voice 12: the all business cases need to be you know last minute business cases like these ones

[4:28:34] Voice 12: need to be in by january to make the next uh fbc meeting i'm not too sure i'm going to just check

[4:28:41] on that uh about how far down the road it goes i know the trust council made some decisions last

[4:28:47] week about climbing with the budget um so i will i'll just double check

[4:28:52] Voice 13: that and maybe if i could

[4:28:53] Voice 13: follow up with that mr chair um um over here you're trying to pop that right away okay

[4:29:00] Voice 13: i don't

[4:29:01] Voice 13: understand how timing is a rationale to push something forward that has such long-ranging

[4:29:06] Voice 13: implications for our community it doesn't uh you know our community will not be happy about uh

[4:29:12] Voice 13: about that i

[4:29:14] Voice 9: i thank you trustee harris and um i'm just going to ask that you put your hand up

[4:29:19] Voice 9: and so i can recognize you rather than you jump my

[4:29:22] Voice 13: hand doesn't i don't have a hand thing on here

[4:29:26] Voice 13: it's not like trust council ones there's no um raise your hand thing so

[4:29:30] Voice 9: okay that's a little

[4:29:31] Voice 9: weird but maybe you can maybe you can raise your hand physically and i can see if you i do have you

[4:29:36] Voice 9: on a screen in front of me so i can see you it just helps with the with the order of everything

[4:29:42] Voice 9: and then then it doesn't seem like you're interrupting gotcha

[4:29:46] Voice 13: okay

[4:29:46] Voice 9: um uh and i think

[4:29:51] Voice 9: I think what I heard Trustee Patrick say, and she has her hand up, so I'm going to go to her next, but I think what I heard her say that

[4:30:00] Voice 9: if we don't at the minimum pass a second recommendation here that even if as you were

[4:30:06] Voice 9: suggesting that we defer uh the first recommendation to a later date that we wouldn't be able to

[4:30:12] Voice 9: proceed with that if we don't get the business case in i'm going to go to trustee patrick well

[4:30:17] Trustee Patrick: the first one is we're all we're being asked to look at is a project charter and a business case

[4:30:22] Trustee Patrick: This is not advancing the bylaw. So there's going to be lots of opportunity to affect the bylaw and to have all the ideas and suggestions that you can bring to the table.

[4:30:41] Trustee Patrick: there needs to be changes to the bylaw i agree um so the all we're doing is laying the path to

[4:30:49] Trustee Patrick: allow us to you know to end up with a bylaw that we're happy about yeah

[4:30:56] Voice 6: i see your hand uh go ahead

[4:30:57] Voice 6: thank you

[4:30:59] Voice 13: um

[4:31:00] Voice 6: you

[4:31:04] Voice 13: know the time and energy we're wasting when we have you know a housing crisis

[4:31:13] Voice 13: going on this and this will not help that i'm astonished that we're even having to argue about

[4:31:20] Voice 13: this at this point i really would like to go in camera whenever that's appropriate mr chair please

[4:31:28] Voice 13: let me know and i'll make the motion yeah

[4:31:32] Voice 9: we'll just say that um in general i think what we need

[4:31:36] Voice 9: to consider um trustee harris is that we uh we should um i don't think it's good practice to go

[4:31:48] Voice 9: in in in and out of camera multiple times during a meeting so um this

[4:31:53] Voice 13: is serious this is serious

[4:31:54] Voice 9: i don't don't don't get me wrong i'm not saying that i don't want to hear you and i'm not going

[4:31:59] Voice 9: to entertain the possibility but what i'm what i'm saying is that uh if we're going to do that

[4:32:05] Voice 9: i'd like us to uh discuss and conclude whatever in camera business we have in one session i don't

[4:32:13] Voice 9: like going in and out of camera do you get where i'm coming from

[4:32:16] Voice 13: gotcha

[4:32:17] Voice 9: okay so um if we if we just

[4:32:22] Voice 9: decide and of course it'll be by a vote of the committee here but if we decide to go on camera

[4:32:27] Voice 9: uh a second time today i i i want to i want to be clear that we're not going in and out of camera

[4:32:34] Voice 9: of multiple times i don't think that's good practice uh whatsoever uh mr hud did you have

[4:32:41] Voice 9: something

[4:32:42] Voice 12: no mr mr mr chair if you're if you wanted to go in camera i would suggest a two

[4:32:46] Voice 12: minute break prior to considering that so um just if you can do that that'd be great

[4:32:53] Voice 12: pardon me if you could go to a two-minute break before entertaining motion yes certainly

[4:32:58] Voice 13: certainly

[4:32:59] Voice 12: certainly

[4:33:00] Voice 13: yeah yeah okay i take your advice there and i'll keep that in mind

[4:33:05] Voice 6: um okay was there anything further well i i i

[4:33:15] Trustee Patrick: understand trustee harris's concern of saying

[4:33:17] Trustee Patrick: you know being able to help affordable housing i haven't having a proof of water

[4:33:23] Trustee Patrick: um will help because it makes you have equal equal uh understanding rather than having someone

[4:33:32] Trustee Patrick: spend money and finding out their work gets rejected so this helps give some certainty

[4:33:37] Trustee Patrick: to the process which certainty reduces cost um and like i said today we are not approving

[4:33:45] Trustee Patrick: the bylaw that's in this package we are only approving a project charter to carry on um and

[4:33:54] Trustee Patrick: through you know

[4:33:55] Trustee Patrick: the updating the the land use bylaw and all of these things that are coming

[4:33:58] Trustee Patrick: at us it'll locally likely all be included at that time into the the overall you know

[4:34:03] Trustee Patrick: it's all gonna merge that's what i expect i

[4:34:08] Voice 6: see your hand

[4:34:09] Voice 13: trustee nervous the thought of raising

[4:34:14] Voice 13: the um the requirement for water to two thousand four hundred and forty gallons per day

[4:34:22] Voice 13: and then if there's two houses on the property they want to subdivide 880 gallons a day that's

[4:34:30] Voice 13: not what gets used like that's gonna impede housing like it's plain and simple

[4:34:40] Voice 9: Yeah, I think we have some clarification from staff on those numbers.

[4:34:46] Voice 9: If you just want to pause for a moment, Mr. Shulva.

[4:34:50] Voice 9: So the Water

[4:34:52] Voice 13: Sustainability Act means the right of 2,000 liters per day per dwelling.

[4:34:58] Voice 13: That's where this number comes from.

[4:35:02] Voice 13: This is a volume per day.

[4:35:08] Voice 13: most hydrogeologists uh take this volume per day and then rate it in liters per minute for pump

[4:35:17] testing which i don't

[4:35:20] Voice 13: particularly agree with as a hydrogeologist myself but that's how pumping

[4:35:26] Voice 13: tests and water authorizations are done and 2 000 liters per day is quite a marginal well

[4:35:36] Voice 13: Most wells that find water on this island can make 2,000 liters per day

[4:35:44] Voice 6: in

[4:35:46] Voice 13: their rate.

[4:35:49] Voice 6: I agree

[4:35:50] Voice 13: with Trustee Harris.

[4:35:53] Voice 13: Most households don't use 2,000 liters per day.

[4:35:57] Voice 13: If they're watering gardens in the summer, they might.

[4:36:02] Voice 13: This is to harmonize with the Water Sustainability Act.

[4:36:07] Voice 13: this is also to ensure that the existing users on this island who have invested in property

[4:36:17] Voice 13: and have built their life here are not impacted by a new subdivision and

[4:36:26] Voice 13: also i will agree with trustee patrick that this land use bylaw is providing

[4:36:36] Voice 13: providing update is providing good information to the applicant to provide analysis to planning

[4:36:46] Voice 13: staff that that won't be rejected I could give an antidote to the subdivision that spawned

[4:36:54] Voice 13: this group of water but I don't think that would be helpful in the conversation but for

[4:37:00] Voice 13: perhaps in the future when we have a robust conversation

[4:37:04] Voice 13: with the elements of this,

[4:37:06] Voice 13: I just buy a lot of the things I can provide that I do.

[4:37:10] Voice 9: Okay, so what I think I heard you say

[4:37:13] Voice 9: is that 2,000 gallon figure is part, pardon me.

[4:37:17] Voice 9: 2,000 liters.

[4:37:18] Voice 9: Sorry, 2,000 liter figure is a provincial number

[4:37:22] Voice 9: in the Water Sustainability Act.

[4:37:24] Voice 9: That's correct.

[4:37:25] Voice 9: Okay, Trustee Harris.

[4:37:27] Voice 13: So that's, so for a well,

[4:37:29] Voice 13: Well, yeah, maybe a lot of wells can do that.

[4:37:32] Voice 13: A lot of wells can't on Salt Spring, but they still provide enough water for homes and subdivisions.

[4:37:39] Voice 13: But it comes, it really, it's a clincher when you start talking rain catchment.

[4:37:44] Voice 13: Like what we get now with 1,500 square feet of rain catchment, like I mentioned earlier, is 33,000 gallons a year.

[4:37:54] Voice 13: year at the rate that they want to prove water we're talking 32 320 000 u.s gallons a year would

[4:38:03] Voice 13: be needed and you need 14 000 square feet of rain catchment to get that Mr Shola I'm sorry I don't

[4:38:16] Voice 13: know sorry Trustee Harris I thought you were finished sir yeah no sorry I was just um whatever

[4:38:22] Voice 13: medical one thank you okay mr shelva yeah um i like i agree with trustee harris uh harvesting

[4:38:31] Voice 13: two thousand liters per day from rainwater is probably untenable i've seen some rainwater

[4:38:39] Voice 13: harvesting uh houses on salt spring here that somebody who's rainwater harvesting

[4:38:45] Voice 13: for their needs and and by no means are they collecting 2 000 liters times 365

[4:38:53] Voice 13: it's probably impossible to store that again if there is a subdivision that's going to be solely

[4:39:02] Voice 13: on green water harvesting it's likely that they would have to vary that part of the byline also

[4:39:10] Voice 13: vary the volume requirements similar with the example i gave on damon island they varied the

[4:39:17] Voice 13: requirements there from 2 000 liters per day or at the time it was through modi and modi's was a

[4:39:23] Voice 13: little bit more at the time i think 2250 units per day um i'm probably getting this volume i

[4:39:30] Voice 13: apologize actually straight that i i'm not going to say the volumes but my point was is that they

[4:39:36] Voice 13: vary the subdivision to just require half that amount and and so uh and i i agree with trustee

[4:39:44] Voice 13: harris there's some wells on this island that don't that don't provide 2 000 liters per day

[4:39:49] Voice 13: and families are still living on them and those are existing wells

[4:39:55] Voice 13: um i'm unaware of properties on the island that are unsubdivided and have several wells advanced

[4:40:05] Voice 13: into those properties that can just subdivide right away there has been a few smaller subdivisions

[4:40:11] Voice 13: where that is the case where it was a family lot and they had three wells and they just

[4:40:15] Voice 13: just subdivided the land and they tested those

[4:40:17] Voice 3: existing wells for

[4:40:18] Voice 13: the majority of cases we're

[4:40:19] Voice 13: thinking of like subdivisions like skywater where it was a larger subdivision and new

[4:40:25] Voice 13: wells were advanced all at one time and consultants coming in and adjusting those wells um and

[4:40:33] Voice 13: this is just directing that type of subdivision not not that great but what i'm trying to

[4:40:40] Voice 13: say is this is new water use new wells and and according to the guidance documents of conducting

[4:40:51] pumping tests on in british columbia where following the profession professional guidance

[4:40:58] or governance act that was enacted in

[4:41:02] Voice 13: 2018 where professionals have to are required by law to

[4:41:06] Voice 13: follow guidance documents the 12-hour pumping test is the absolute minimum time and we've had

[4:41:14] subdivision applications where a

[4:41:16] Voice 13: hydrogeologist is sitting in vancouver and sends a pump installer

[4:41:21] Voice 13: to pump a well for four hours and that gets dropped on the planner's desk and they come to

[4:41:27] Voice 13: me and say if you think about this and i say this does not follow guidance documents this can't be

[4:41:32] Voice 13: supported by staff and then from that moment forward there's a delay there has been professional

[4:41:40] Voice 13: hydrogeologists i don't want to make name names on this island that have been providing

[4:41:45] Voice 13: sound advice at 12 hours pump tests for a long period of time and those subdivision

[4:41:52] Voice 13: applications have gone to modi without delay from staff because those water requirements

[4:41:59] Voice 13: from that by that consultant and and that's where this came from for on the on the science aspect of

[4:42:06] Voice 13: it these pump tests should be 72 hours or longer to to reach these to to to to do an analysis that

[4:42:16] Voice 13: can really identify the resource but that is more of looking at rezoning and and larger

[4:42:24] Voice 13: larger water use demand for larger projects and rezoning applications what we're trying to do here

[4:42:32] Voice 13: is just facilitate good process for people who have properties that have deemed right for

[4:42:40] Voice 13: subdivision and that's going to MOT I think I'm just repeating myself so I'm going to stop there

[4:42:49] Voice 13: yeah

[4:42:50] Voice 9: okay thank you trustee Patrick and trustee Harris I see your hand I'll call on you next

[4:42:56] Trustee Patrick: i i agree with you trustee harris we need a path and that's we're not like i said we're not

[4:43:01] Trustee Patrick: modifying we get all we're doing is kicking the can down the road to talk about this because that

[4:43:06] Trustee Patrick: was the conversation we had before was we got into that section about the rain water and dug wells

[4:43:11] Trustee Patrick: and so forth as well as table one and um and so we need to you know the we're trying to do too much

[4:43:19] Trustee Patrick: much with this this bylaw and I think allowing ourselves some paths out of it you know this is

[4:43:25] Trustee Patrick: um a traditional subdivision where you have Housewell Housewell Housewell

[4:43:30] Trustee Patrick: and that's all it does it's now where you have something that's not traditional where

[4:43:36] Trustee Patrick: you're clustered you're dealing with rainwater you're dealing with other things um we need to

[4:43:41] Trustee Patrick: have a path forward um you know that allows that to happen so um like i said all we're doing today

[4:43:50] Trustee Patrick: is the project charter to say we want to go forward and um you know to do this it's we can

[4:43:57] Trustee Patrick: have lots of time to have conversation with what this is and

[4:44:02] Voice 9: uh just before i go to you trustee

[4:44:04] Voice 9: harris um i'm just reflecting that part of what i think i've heard today is that uh as opposed

[4:44:12] Voice 9: to leaving this in the hands of the province um uh if we go forward with it this is just the first

[4:44:20] Voice 9: step towards more which we would talk about more in depth but that in fact if we advance this

[4:44:27] Voice 9: then it actually gives the local trust committee the ability to um vary in a way that the provincial

[4:44:35] Voice 9: the provincial process would not allow variance. So this in fact has a potential to permit or to allow for the permission of subdivisions based on things that the provincial default would not necessarily permit.

[4:44:53] Voice 9: I'm going to go quickly to Mr. Goemans, Jamie, and then I'll come back to you.

[4:44:58] Voice 9: just very quickly chair um the

[4:45:01] Voice 13: current situation is not that it defaults to the province there is

[4:45:04] Voice 13: a suite of regulations within the salt spring island that you saw already so currently the

[4:45:10] Voice 13: salt spring ltc by a staff is the arbiter of proof of water requirements and through this

[4:45:15] Voice 13: bylaw then we're just trying to make sure that that process um is more clear for applicants and

[4:45:21] Voice 13: for staff so to provide

[4:45:23] Voice 9: more certainty for for applicants at time of subdivision so they know

[4:45:27] Voice 9: what's going on that's right okay uh trustee harris as

[4:45:32] Voice 13: it is now you can get a building permit

[4:45:35] Voice 13: and some if you're proving water you all you can have you just have to prove storage rain catchment

[4:45:44] Voice 13: storage um you have your water delivered this is going to end all that and just think

[4:45:51] Voice 13: oh we're going to allow it like it's again this is the thin wedge starting to get hammered in

[4:45:56] Voice 13: so that we're going to get to the point where it's a park for rich people here it's pretty simple

[4:46:02] Voice 13: um when i go so i heard um um not mr yeomans but um william shoba mentioned wanting to up the pump

[4:46:12] Voice 13: testing to 72 hours uh

[4:46:16] Voice 9: that's that's actually not what i heard what i heard him say that is that the

[4:46:20] Voice 9: uh the scientific standard would be 72 two hours and that the minimum would be 12 hours and i think

[4:46:28] Voice 9: he wants to clarify so i'm going to let him clarify yeah in the uh in the in the

[4:46:33] Voice 13: gut if we

[4:46:33] Voice 13: just took the guidance to pumping tests that what has been published by the province in there they

[4:46:40] Voice 13: they they have said that the fractured bedrock at first it's likely that a minimum pump depth should

[4:46:48] Voice 13: be 72 hours so that's the problem that's what the province is saying and they also said within that

[4:46:54] Voice 13: guidance pumping tests that pumping tests for the purposes of subdivision and improving to

[4:47:00] Voice 13: the local government should be longer 48 to 72 hour pump tests what staff have are saying through

[4:47:08] Voice 13: our analysis of a proof of water on salt spring island by professional hydrogeologists and

[4:47:15] Voice 13: engineers that have done this work that that the the not the average but norm is 12 hour

[4:47:23] Voice 13: public yeah so so we so we are defaulting to the historic work that that competent hydrogeologists

[4:47:32] Voice 13: that know this that know the ackers here and know the local trust committee process have been

[4:47:39] Voice 13: providing what we're trying to protect people who are subdividing especially just not developers

[4:47:47] Voice 13: developers know to go to the right competent hydrogeologists to get it through what we have

[4:47:52] Voice 13: of experience is that there has been some single family islanders that have tried to subdivide and

[4:48:00] Voice 13: tried to find the lowest cost hydrogeologist and they have given them bad advice and they've come

[4:48:06] Voice 13: to staff and we say we can't accept this and then that check mark is not checked in the referral

[4:48:11] Voice 13: process the MOTI and it has stalled out subdivision what this is doing is saying this is this is the

[4:48:19] Voice 13: playbook to get proof of water through the ltc and then and buy that through the provinces and buy

[4:48:26] Voice 9: that

[4:48:26] Voice 13: through the mot process the alternative is which is likely not going to be supported by the

[4:48:32] Voice 13: ltc is to get rid of a group of water out of the land use by a lot altogether but just like how

[4:48:38] Voice 13: chair peterson said that if there is any esotericness to the the water on a subdivision

[4:48:47] Voice 13: it's much easier to bury that through the ltc through the proof of water in the land use bylaw

[4:48:53] Voice 13: than trying to go to the province and bury that after the referral process of subdivision has

[4:49:00] Voice 13: gone through the island trust and then into complete hands of the island because there's

[4:49:06] Voice 13: no conversation then there's no conversation with the ltc who might be in support of that

[4:49:16] Voice 13: subdivision that's the difference of having a proof of water provision within the land use

[4:49:23] Voice 13: bylaw those cards are held by the ltc and indeed this update to this proven water bylaw

[4:49:31] Voice 13: is in the hands of the ltc this is staff's best recommendation for this update by working with

[4:49:40] Voice 13: provincial staff and and there's conversation to be had and if if the ldc chooses to continue on

[4:49:48] Voice 13: this project project and and pass the project charter we can continue to have these good

[4:49:55] Voice 13: conversations and and and i i'm in agreement with all that said by the trustees of the ltc today

[4:50:03] Voice 13: that there's more discussion to be had here because there is confusion and it seems like

[4:50:09] Voice 13: like there is this restriction of to provide water to people.

[4:50:14] Voice 13: And that's not the case.

[4:50:16] Voice 13: This is to facilitate good work during subdivision.

[4:50:22] Voice 13: And that's it.

[4:50:25] Voice 13: Thank you.

[4:50:26] Voice 13: Trustee Harris.

[4:50:28] Voice 13: I don't understand that argument.

[4:50:30] Voice 13: I do not.

[4:50:31] Voice 13: I don't.

[4:50:31] Voice 13: So you're trying to tell me that because some family

[4:50:33] Voice 13: has subdivided and tried to take a cheap route

[4:50:36] Voice 13: and get someone to sign off falsely on pump tests

[4:50:42] Voice 13: I don't, I don't get that. I'm not willing to move forward on this. At the very least, it needs to be deferred until January.

[4:50:52] Voice 13: worry.

[4:50:55] Voice 11: Can I just clarify? Yeah. There

[4:50:57] Voice 13: has been instances in the past where a consultant has

[4:51:08] Voice 13: undertook a well yield test, not a pumping test. A well yield test can be anything from 60 minutes

[4:51:15] Voice 13: to a few hours of just removing the water from the well, which is usually just evacuating the

[4:51:23] Voice 13: well storage and the province has determined that is not a pumping test and and in the province like

[4:51:31] Voice 13: the ltc and moti are asking for a pumping test for a well for proof of water that already

[4:51:39] Voice 13: goes on we

[4:51:40] Voice 13: have that that happens i've been involved with numerous people that do the pump tests

[4:51:45] Voice 13: 12 hours sometimes 24 i don't um and and and

[4:51:51] Voice 13: not to be so uh yeah i know this is getting a little

[4:51:58] Voice 13: bit loose but you're absolutely right trust me harris and and i've seen it and the staff have

[4:52:04] Voice 13: seen good subdivision on 12 to 24 hour contracts indeed indeed that's that's that's what we're

[4:52:11] Voice 13: talking about here so it's already

[4:52:13] Voice 13: going on they already have to do it so why we're getting

[4:52:15] Voice 13: involved in this i do not understand and many in the community well this is going to be quite robust

[4:52:22] Voice 13: and a lot of people are not happy with this i i i'll just uh please trustee harris that through

[4:52:30] Voice 13: um that i i think it's the it's the few that have suffered from not doing the correct work

[4:52:39] Voice 13: because the proof of water provision in the land use bylaw has been historically weak and we're

[4:52:47] Voice 13: just trying to strengthen it to guide people to do the good work that you just said and i also agree

[4:52:53] Voice 13: that moving this topic like i i think we're expanding the the range of conversation around

[4:53:02] Voice 13: around water than just this update to the land use bylaws.

[4:53:06] Voice 13: It's pretty much a technical update to the land use bylaw.

[4:53:09] Voice 13: I still think this is a good thing to do

[4:53:12] Voice 13: and we should be discussing water equity

[4:53:19] Voice 13: and First Nation access to water.

[4:53:22] Voice 13: And all of these are really great conversations

[4:53:25] Voice 13: and I'm glad we're having them.

[4:53:29] Voice 13: But I just don't want to lose the perspective

[4:53:32] Voice 13: that staff are just trying to update a section of land use by-law to make it clear to applicants

[4:53:39] Voice 11: what they're getting into on the subject by-law. Thank you for that. Dr. Patrick?

[4:53:46] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think we

[4:53:47] Trustee Patrick: should proceed, put these motions on, because like I said, we're still stuck with the, we keep

[4:53:55] Trustee Patrick: talking about a by-law that we're not talking about the by-law. We're talking about a project

[4:54:00] Trustee Patrick: your charter so we can talk about the bylaw and to have the money to allow us to have the more

[4:54:05] Trustee Patrick: robust conversation with the people of the island so that we can end up with the proof of water that

[4:54:11] Trustee Patrick: works um for the foreseeable future on this island um so i'm going to put these motions on because

[4:54:20] Trustee Patrick: we do have a timing issue with the business cases and our budget process and um and that's why i'm

[4:54:27] Trustee Patrick: putting us on here so i'm going to move that the salt spring island local trust committee endorsed

[4:54:30] Trustee Patrick: group of water subdivision project charter version two attached as appendix one to the staff report

[4:54:37] Trustee Patrick: dated december 14 2023 and proceed in accordance with the ltc's resolutions now that's the only um

[4:54:46] Trustee Patrick: i guess well i'll put up resolutions of meeting uh may 17 2022. um i i just those those were about

[4:55:00] Trustee Patrick: about the two clauses that you've been asking about

[4:55:04] Trustee Patrick: right there, which is 5514 and table one.

[4:55:08] Trustee Patrick: But I guess before we put this on is,

[4:55:16] Trustee Patrick: I guess I should have probably talked about that before.

[4:55:19] Trustee Patrick: I wanna make sure we do have a chance for Trustee Harris

[4:55:22] Trustee Patrick: to be able to bring feedback on the bylaw in a process.

[4:55:28] Trustee Patrick: So is there some way of wording that differently

[4:55:32] Trustee Patrick: so that it's uh that uh or will this project charter allow the opportunity to have this

[4:55:40] Trustee Patrick: conversation to have some new feedback brought in from minister

[4:55:45] Voice 13: if the ltc chooses to proceed with

[4:55:50] Voice 13: um advancing the project charter and in accordance with your resolutions of may the 17th 2022

[4:55:55] Voice 13: the next step for staff is simply to report in with the responses that that the ltc had asked for

[4:56:03] in

[4:56:03] Voice 13: May and presumably that is going to spark a conversation now we've certainly heard trustee

[4:56:10] Voice 13: Harris today I think we have some sense of what his concerns are and can ensure that those are

[4:56:14] Voice 13: reflected in the feedback that is provided to the LTC when we're when we're able to bring this back

[4:56:23] Voice 13: yeah yeah I mean my next step will be listening to the meeting audio of that May meeting determining

[4:56:28] Voice 13: exactly what it was that the LTC was concerned about at that time and providing that addresses

[4:56:33] Voice 13: those concerns and indeed can incorporate uh some of what's been raised by trustee harris today as

[4:56:38] Voice 13: well all

[4:56:39] Trustee Patrick: right thanks then i'll stick with the motion as well uh

[4:56:42] Voice 9: so moved uh are you seconding

[4:56:45] Voice 9: trustee harris no i'm definitely not well that we'll just go with the procedure here uh i just

[4:56:51] Voice 9: saw your hand i didn't think so that's why i'm asking i'll second

[4:56:55] Voice 9: the motion and now i'll look

[4:56:57] Voice 9: for discussion on the motion go ahead trustee harris again

[4:57:01] Voice 13: this states clearly that rain

[4:57:06] Voice 13: catchment will be banned from a subdivision like i don't understand how anyone can see it any other

[4:57:13] Voice 13: way i'm not in favor of moving ahead of moving ahead of the project charter i would like to make

[4:57:18] Voice 13: a motion that the ltc will not move forward with this

[4:57:21] Voice 9: okay well we have a motion on the floor um

[4:57:25] Voice 9: So I'm not going to entertain two motions at once.

[4:57:28] Voice 9: We're going to proceed with this motion.

[4:57:30] Voice 9: Any further discussion, Trustee Patrick?

[4:57:33] Trustee Patrick: We are approving a project charter.

[4:57:36] Trustee Patrick: We are not approving a bylaw.

[4:57:40] Trustee Patrick: So we are not banning that.

[4:57:42] Trustee Patrick: And I would encourage you, and I'm sure staff will, before they produce the report,

[4:57:49] Trustee Patrick: to come back with amendments to the bylaw

[4:57:53] Trustee Patrick: that you engage in conversations with staff

[4:57:56] Trustee Patrick: on your concerns and thoughts so that they can be ready

[4:58:01] Trustee Patrick: for the whatever it's called the staff report when it comes.

[4:58:05] Trustee Patrick: So all we're approving is a project charter,

[4:58:08] Trustee Patrick: not the bylaw.

[4:58:10] Voice 13: Okay, Trustee Harris.

[4:58:12] Voice 13: Thank you.

[4:58:14] Voice 13: Before there's a vote on this,

[4:58:16] Voice 13: can we please go to an in-camera session, Mr. Chair?

[4:58:22] Voice 6: Uh, well,

[4:58:25] Voice 13: we're going to have to put that good vote that I it is very important. It has exactly relates to

[4:58:35] Voice 9: what's in front of the

[4:58:37] Voice 9: trustee Harris. I'm advised that procedurally we can't. We can't go to a camera in the middle of the motion.

[4:58:47] Voice 9: and you

[4:58:48] Voice 12: can't begin the discussion of a separate motion while you're in discussion about motion

[4:58:54] Voice 12: you are you are in the

[4:58:56] Voice 12: midst of a motion on the floor yes you

[4:58:58] Voice 12: must complete that

[4:58:59] Voice 12: okay

[4:58:59] Voice 13: thank

[4:59:01] Voice 12: you for that of us more about

[4:59:03] Voice 13: reason this motion needs to be defeated

[4:59:04] Voice 13: and we need to go on camera okay yeah your your opinion is duly noted uh anything further on the

[4:59:13] Voice 13: motion that's on the floor i would hope trustee patrick would agree with me and at least listen

[4:59:19] Voice 13: to what um should be heard being as this is very important i

[4:59:24] Voice 9: would also add that uh the trustee for

[4:59:27] Voice 9: your assurance that uh no matter how this motion uh goes out and if if uh if it was a decision was

[4:59:37] Voice 9: made to rescind the motion that's perfectly permissible so i have no fear this uh isn't

[4:59:44] Voice 9: the end of the end of the road here yeah

[4:59:46] Trustee Patrick: i'm just we are approving a project charter not the bylaw

[4:59:51] Trustee Patrick: so i'm i'm i'm i understand

[4:59:56] Voice 13: that but there's information that should be heard

[5:00:00] Voice 13: on an in-camera session regarding this project charter

[5:00:02] Voice 13: and the language that is in

[5:00:06] Voice 13: what we've been talking about today.

[5:00:10] Trustee Patrick: Again, the by-law is not under consideration right now.

[5:00:16] Trustee Patrick: It's a project charter.

[5:00:18] Voice 13: It still pertains directly to what is in the by-law,

[5:00:22] Voice 13: the project charter advancing

[5:00:24] Voice 13: what's in front of us right now.

[5:00:33] Voice 6: Okay, I don't think we're getting,

[5:00:35] Voice 6: we're

[5:00:35] Voice 9: not we're not going to get anywhere uh with that question i think at this this moment

[5:00:40] Voice 9: so unless there's anything pertaining to the motion i'm going to call the question

[5:00:46] Voice 13: um pertaining that pertains to the motion i don't know how does that not you guys can't

[5:00:51] Voice 13: railroad this stuff through well uh so do

[5:00:56] Voice 9: you have anything you can

[5:00:57] Voice 9: clearly

[5:00:58] Voice 9: Chair Lee.

[5:01:00] Voice 9: Ms. Trustee Harris, do you have anything new to offer

[5:01:02] Voice 13: on the motion?

[5:01:06] Voice 13: Yes, I do have something new to offer on the motion, but we need to go on camera to talk about it.

[5:01:11] Voice 9: I've heard you say that, and rest assured that we can rescind this motion after we've heard what you have to say, okay?

[5:01:20] Voice 9: That's totally permissible to rescind the motion after we've heard you.

[5:01:24] Voice 9: Thank you.

[5:01:25] Voice 9: Okay?

[5:01:28] Voice 9: So, with that, I am going to go to the question.

[5:01:31] Voice 6: all those in favor and opposed okay so the motion carries um i will entertain a

[5:01:48] Voice 13: motion to go in

[5:01:50] Voice 13: camera trustee harris as i mentioned before i do have i would like to

[5:01:55] Voice 13: take a break here okay um

[5:01:57] Voice 13: do you want to just clarify one thing okay we're

[5:02:00] Voice 9: going to need some clarification here just so that

[5:02:03] Voice 9: we're doing things procedurally in in a way that's reasonable and uh and legislatively correct so

[5:02:12] Voice 9: let's take uh let's

[5:02:15] Voice 6: come back at 250. a lot of business to do yes we have a

[5:11:42] Voice 9: lot of business to

[5:11:42] Voice 9: do here and uh so um trustee harris i'm willing to entertain a motion uh to go and close um and uh

[5:11:53] Voice 9: uh uh having talked to mr marler uh our legislative director uh on the phone really

[5:12:01] Voice 9: briefly um i'm wondering if if you want to if you're wanting to make a motion to go into closed

[5:12:10] Voice 9: that excludes staff from attending um that we can do that but i'm also wondering if you'd be

[5:12:17] Voice 9: be willing to have either RPM Hutton stay with us

[5:12:22] Voice 9: or failing that Mr. Barler?

[5:12:27] Voice 13: No, but the minute taker clearly.

[5:12:30] Voice 9: I'm actually advised that the minute taker should not be.

[5:12:35] Voice 9: If we're excluding staff,

[5:12:37] Voice 9: that we shouldn't have the minute taker.

[5:12:38] Voice 13: Okay, then just the three of us would be great.

[5:12:41] Voice 9: All right, then can you make a motion?

[5:12:44] Voice 13: I move that the local trust committee,

[5:12:47] Voice 13: South Smyrna local trust committee go into camera

[5:12:49] Voice 13: without any staff present

[5:12:52] Voice 9: can you remind us of the citation there

[5:12:55] Voice 4: 91

[5:12:58] Voice 13: C for 91 C

[5:13:08] Voice 13: regarding labor relations definitely relations okay you know staff and then

[5:13:17] Voice 9: that staff may exclude

[5:13:20] Voice 11: okay

[5:13:23] Voice 9: so moved don't go ahead and second the motion uh i don't i will

[5:13:30] Voice 9: advise

[5:13:30] Voice 12: that if you would only oh uh

[5:13:34] Voice 9: and uh uh i don't think we need any discussion here so i'll

[5:13:42] Voice 9: just call the question all in favor okay

[5:13:46] Voice 6: we're going to go into camera ready i'd like to do that

[5:13:53] Voice 6: second portion yes okay

[5:13:57] Voice 13: we're alive trustee patrick i

[5:14:01] Trustee Patrick: moved in the south spring island

[5:14:02] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee forward the group of water subdivision business case attached as appendix 3

[5:14:06] Trustee Patrick: to the staff report dated december 15 2023 to the financial planning committee for consideration of

[5:14:12] Trustee Patrick: inclusion in the municipal 2425 trust council budget so

[5:14:16] Voice 9: moved i'll second that discussion

[5:14:19] Voice 9: this

[5:14:20] Trustee Patrick: money is the it's basically money coming out of the surplus uh so this is not a taxable

[5:14:25] Trustee Patrick: amount it's just a directing surplus funding okay anything

[5:14:31] Voice 13: further yes of discussion you mean

[5:14:34] Voice 13: yes well

[5:14:35] Voice 13: if there's surplus funds um i think they'd be much better used uh in the workforce

[5:14:40] Voice 13: ownership housing crisis initiative so i'm not in favor of this and i'd love to go on the record

[5:14:49] Voice 13: of of that being not in favor and um i don't know if there can be some mention of uh as to why

[5:14:56] Voice 13: um even if it's just to say because of what was said in the in-camera session or something

[5:15:03] Voice 13: i can't refer to that and and in terms of i'm sorry i forgot but in terms of rise and report

[5:15:08] Voice 13: it would just be identical to the previous rise and report there

[5:15:12] Voice 4: was no right

[5:15:13] Voice 13: exactly

[5:15:14] Voice 13: Exactly.

[5:15:17] Voice 9: So I believe, Trustee Harris, that you can certainly ask for your vote to be recorded.

[5:15:24] Voice 9: I don't

[5:15:26] Voice 13: know that there's really a procedure for you to add your rationale.

[5:15:33] Voice 4: We can add a comment in the discussion.

[5:15:37] Voice 9: Yeah, as far as the discussion. It can be

[5:15:40] Voice 9: covered in the discussion.

[5:15:41] Voice 9: I

[5:15:41] Voice 4: haven't heard that comment, since the in-camera meeting, I'm not sure if it was...

[5:15:48] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[5:15:49] Voice 13: No, that's why I said we can't reference anything

[5:15:51] Voice 9: from the in-camera.

[5:15:54] Voice 9: So Trustee Harris, minute takers, happy to note something in the discussion that you

[5:16:00] Voice 9: wanted it noted, and your opposition can be noted if you ask for that in the vote.

[5:16:08] Voice 9: so i'm going to call the question all those in favor

[5:16:14] Voice 13: and any opposed

[5:16:16] Voice 13: and could i please have

[5:16:19] Voice 13: that noted okay surplus money to go to a workforce membership housing crisis okay thank you for that

[5:16:34] Voice 13: um

[5:16:34] Voice 9: so mr dan yes sir are you on to the next item uh i was going to bring us back to 14.1

[5:16:45] Voice 9: um unless i've been informed the planner on for

[5:16:49] Voice 12: item number 14.5 uh they do have uh to leave at

[5:16:53] Voice 12: 4 p.m so i'm wondering if we could move that item up in order to hear from planner garbo before she

[5:16:59] Voice 12: have to okay

[5:17:00] Voice 9: if there's no objection then we'll go to 14.5 next and then we'll go back up to 14.1

[5:17:06] Voice 9: okay

[5:17:09] Voice 13: i'm not hearing any objections so we'll go to 14.5 uh page 171.

[5:17:48] Voice 13: oh yeah i see here

[5:17:49] Voice 6: yes okay then uh planner garbo hi

[5:18:01] Voice 2: uh chair and the trustees thank you so much for

[5:18:06] Voice 2: able to move the item sooner. I'm going to share, can you hear me well?

[5:18:11] Voice 9: Yes, we can.

[5:18:12] Voice 2: Thank you. Okay,

[5:18:13] Voice 2: good. I'm going to share the screen. Just give me a quick second here.

[5:18:28] Voice 11: Okay. Yes, thank you so much.

[5:18:33] Voice 11: So this is a, oh, sorry.

[5:18:42] Voice 2: I'm having a little bit of technical problem here. Okay. I hope you can

[5:18:47] Voice 2: see the powerpoint in front of you on

[5:18:50] Voice 6: the screen okay so

[5:18:53] Voice 2: thank you uh this is a really quick

[5:18:56] Voice 2: presentation i have for you it's regarding the terms of reference that the trustees want to see

[5:19:02] Voice 2: for the uh update to the south spring local trust committee uh official community plan

[5:19:09] Voice 2: line and the land use bylaw project. And as you have probably on the attachment to your staff

[5:19:19] Voice 2: report, shown that the terms of reference include a very brief background and the context of the

[5:19:26] Voice 2: projects to talk about why we're doing that. And a project roadmap that you have seen before that

[5:19:32] Voice 2: identified the three major projects in relation to the OCP and the land use bylaw project.

[5:19:39] Voice 2: And the project objectives, why we're doing that, and specifically the engagement goals

[5:19:46] Voice 2: and the phasing of the engagement process to achieve the OCP and the land use bylaw

[5:19:52] Voice 2: objectives.

[5:19:53] Voice 2: Within the terms of reference, there is the scope of work that identifies the tasks which

[5:20:00] Voice 2: largely pertain to the early First Nations engagement, early public community groups

[5:20:07] Voice 2: groups and agency engagement. And there's within the scope of work, we also provide you the potential engagement toolkits and methods and also a summary of the engagement strategies and a list of the preliminary contact.

[5:20:26] Voice 2: Within the terms of reference to at the end, we also have the project summary, the target timelines and the project budget.

[5:20:34] Voice 2: With the nature and the scope of this type of project, it's very important to have a project

[5:20:41] Voice 2: level change management just in case if there are external or internal factors that impacting

[5:20:47] Voice 2: the project. So again this is just to go through to refresh your memory that will show you the

[5:20:55] Voice 2: three major projects and the OCP and the land use pilot project starts probably early next year

[5:21:04] Voice 2: Once we get the early findings from the data collections to be done by the consultant. However, having said that, again, the engagement process is going to start immediately. We're planning for it. We're working on the background.

[5:21:19] Voice 2: ground. And in the terms of reference document, it shows you different phases. And the phase one is

[5:21:28] Voice 2: really preliminary conversation by the consultant to reach out to the community to talk about what

[5:21:35] Voice 2: they see as a complete community that help inform them to when they provide recommendations. And

[5:21:46] Voice 2: And once we reach to the drafting stage,

[5:21:48] Voice 2: there's another program for the engagement

[5:21:52] Voice 2: to reach out to the public on the draft to seek input.

[5:21:58] Voice 2: And then the final stage is the legislative stage

[5:22:01] Voice 2: with the formal referral and consultation process.

[5:22:09] Voice 2: The trustees at the last meeting did mention

[5:22:12] Voice 2: about the concern to make sure that this engagement process

[5:22:17] Voice 2: It's inclusive, and we provide an equitable type public engagement.

[5:22:23] Voice 2: And so based on the resolutions, we provide you in the terms of reference specifically mentioned that the program would be designed to be consistent with the International Public Engagement Association's diversity, equity, and inclusion principles.

[5:22:47] Voice 2: the IPA2's principle, and also will be guided by the Equity in Public Engagement

[5:22:54] Voice 2: Guide provided by the Simon Fraser University Center for Dialogue. Again, the program will

[5:23:03] Voice 2: be comprehensive, involving the public, the First Nations communities residing on South Spring,

[5:23:10] Voice 2: relevant ministries, agencies, local organizations, and governance organizations.

[5:23:17] Voice 2: and we will present the engagement program to trustees for comment before we launch the program.

[5:23:26] Voice 2: With that we have the recommendation that the trustee accept the terms of reference and then

[5:23:33] Voice 2: if once trustees accept the terms of reference again this is just sort of like a blueprint for

[5:23:40] Voice 2: the project. The next step for us is to develop some educational material about the OCP and the

[5:23:49] Voice 2: project web page and before we will solicit comment based on initial input put the project

[5:23:57] Voice 2: charter together. So right now we're really at the infancy stage of the project. So with that

[5:24:04] Voice 2: i'm happy to answer any questions any

[5:24:08] Voice 6: questions for the planner trustee patrick and i see you

[5:24:18] Voice 9: as well trustee harris i'll get you next first

[5:24:20] Trustee Patrick: i want to say thank you i mean this is this is

[5:24:24] Trustee Patrick: proven exactly why i you know we need to do uh in terms of references just like every municipal

[5:24:30] Trustee Patrick: council does with their projects um there's a reason and it helps us provide clarity and make

[5:24:35] Trustee Patrick: sure we're all on the same page so we don't get part way through a project and then go

[5:24:39] Trustee Patrick: how'd that happen because we didn't have the detail so i am grateful and thank thankful for

[5:24:45] Trustee Patrick: you proving forward today my understanding is we don't need to approve this today so i'm giving

[5:24:49] Trustee Patrick: my comments in general about uh advancing this to another another uh version that hopefully will be

[5:24:57] Trustee Patrick: closer um you know get us closer to a nice tight document that helps and um um you know so that's

[5:25:07] Trustee Patrick: the spirit of my comments and so i'm really grateful this has proven my point now on we're

[5:25:12] Trustee Patrick: going to have terms of references for projects because it's so important first thing i just want

[5:25:17] Trustee Patrick: to say in the staff report on page 172 it makes mention that we had uh accepted the scope of

[5:25:23] Trustee Patrick: services uh for the complete community in the last november 16th and we did not accept that scope of

[5:25:30] Trustee Patrick: services we had given some direction on um taking a phased approach on that so i was just caught

[5:25:38] Trustee Patrick: when i saw that that just sort of went um because we had given some a little bit different direction

[5:25:45] Trustee Patrick: um in regard to the document that begins on page 174 um like i said good start i think the one

[5:25:52] Trustee Patrick: One issue is it's a bit of a mix of higher level

[5:25:57] Trustee Patrick: and then it gets too detailed and it has too much too soon.

[5:26:02] Trustee Patrick: So I think it needs to be a bit higher level

[5:26:05] Trustee Patrick: and stay at that level.

[5:26:10] Voice 6: And yeah, I mean, there's a

[5:26:18] Trustee Patrick: few comments in here.

[5:26:20] Trustee Patrick: I mean, like it says, it says in general,

[5:26:22] Trustee Patrick: the OCP is sound, well-drafted

[5:26:24] Trustee Patrick: and serves Salt Spring community

[5:26:25] Trustee Patrick: well over the last 15 years that's an interesting statement when it was never implemented

[5:26:29] Trustee Patrick: um the land use bylaw was never updated to reflect the 2008 ocp so i was i think the fact

[5:26:38] Trustee Patrick: that the land use bylaw was never updated should be mentioned because um that's kind of important

[5:26:47] Trustee Patrick: um whenever in that same paragraph there in the background section right above the

[5:26:53] Trustee Patrick: the chart that goes from 1999 to 2020, or 2026.

[5:27:00] Trustee Patrick: It says, what are we infrastructure issues,

[5:27:03] Trustee Patrick: workforce stability challenges.

[5:27:05] Trustee Patrick: I think we always remember to throw food security in there

[5:27:08] Trustee Patrick: whenever we're talking about things.

[5:27:09] Trustee Patrick: I think everyone, food security is just intertwined

[5:27:14] Trustee Patrick: in our health of a community and should be in there.

[5:27:22] Trustee Patrick: The table below there is a bit alarming

[5:27:24] Trustee Patrick: when you go from 2008 to 2019, nothing in between there.

[5:27:30] Trustee Patrick: I'm not certain if that's really true.

[5:27:32] Trustee Patrick: I think there were more things that were done

[5:27:35] Trustee Patrick: between 2008 and 2019, but let that sit.

[5:27:46] Voice 6: The paragraph under there, I mean, again, the project here,

[5:27:53] Trustee Patrick: I mean, we're talking about, I always wanna be careful

[5:27:57] Trustee Patrick: that when we talk about expanding our options of housing that we're not just loading on that

[5:28:03] Trustee Patrick: the options that are on the affordable end are probably they're the ones we have to worry about

[5:28:09] Trustee Patrick: where they're going all housing is you know where housing is built on the island and going forward

[5:28:15] Trustee Patrick: you know it should be that's where equity comes in our expectations on all housing

[5:28:21] Trustee Patrick: um is that it should be in the appropriate places going forward not just the affordable housings i

[5:28:30] Trustee Patrick: i know it's like it's just a nuance of my feelings um project objectives i think the final bullet

[5:28:39] Trustee Patrick: there implementation actions within the ocp i thought implementation actions are the language

[5:28:46] Trustee Patrick: whose file anyway um but what's missing on on objectives i think in a key thing is um

[5:28:56] Trustee Patrick: there's implementation monitoring and adaptation or um as we go forward i think the monitoring

[5:29:02] Trustee Patrick: piece i'm hoping our project is going to pick up on you know we've got an ocp that has no monitoring

[5:29:09] Trustee Patrick: aspect of it so how do we know it's staying on track in the future on page 177 you have a table

[5:29:18] Trustee Patrick: with the phases in there I would remove the questions I think that's premature you know

[5:29:24] Trustee Patrick: what do people prioritize within their neighborhood what's missing I think when we're in the complete

[5:29:31] Trustee Patrick: community phase questions I hope some of those questions are going to be what's a complete island

[5:29:35] Trustee Patrick: community what is it to you um I so I think those are I think those questions are just premature

[5:29:44] Trustee Patrick: mature. And for

[5:29:46] Trustee Patrick: phase one and phase two, I would just remove those. Because I think, I'm hoping

[5:29:51] Trustee Patrick: that's what the process is going to get us, is nice, crisp questions as we're going in there.

[5:30:00] Trustee Patrick: And I guess, you know, I guess we're out to tender, but I think as the complete community gets in there, I think we're going to have to add some context as to what that is.

[5:30:10] Trustee Patrick: And, you know, the guidance material that's out there, the complete community guide to geospatial land use and assessments for BC gives some of that context of a rural community that people travel to what they're needing.

[5:30:25] Trustee Patrick: You know, they come to Ganges for what they need.

[5:30:27] Trustee Patrick: They go to the ferry terminal and off into other places

[5:30:30] Trustee Patrick: for what they need.

[5:30:31] Trustee Patrick: You know, we

[5:30:32] Trustee Patrick: will never be a complete, complete community.

[5:30:34] Trustee Patrick: We are a complete island community.

[5:30:36] Trustee Patrick: I think at some point there needs to be some context,

[5:30:39] Trustee Patrick: but that might be early as well.

[5:30:43] Trustee Patrick: First Nations, I think you said it too in your presentation

[5:30:46] Trustee Patrick: and it shows up here in the writing.

[5:30:48] Trustee Patrick: You're referring to First Nations that are on the island.

[5:30:52] Trustee Patrick: I think, you know, we have First Nations that have interests on the island and territorial

[5:30:59] Trustee Patrick: interests, but they're not on the island, and then we have local Indigenous, as Trustee

[5:31:04] Trustee Patrick: Harris refers to, that are on island, that have different.

[5:31:07] Trustee Patrick: So I think there's some wording there that needs to be cleaner in that First Nations

[5:31:13] Trustee Patrick: engagement part, and we did, we had passed that motion on an Indigenous relations approach.

[5:31:20] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- approach that was another motion that asked

[5:31:24] Voice 11: i'm generally equitable public engagements fine I think.

[5:31:33] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- The public communication engagement tools task again I think you're getting too too detailed.

[5:31:42] Trustee Patrick: detailed. The whole, I mean, the whole, that table that you've put together in there, the

[5:31:48] Trustee Patrick: potential engagement toolkit methods, it's an interesting table. It's good information. I just

[5:31:53] Trustee Patrick: don't think it belongs here yet. I think that's, you know, I don't think you have to get too much

[5:31:58] Trustee Patrick: detail for a document of this nature. For test three, the technical working group,

[5:32:08] Trustee Patrick: um you're missing i think there's some actions there of not just that there's some technical

[5:32:14] Trustee Patrick: working room there is i know that was tried in the um area plan but i would assume you're going

[5:32:23] Trustee Patrick: to have a variety of technical working groups there might be one on transportation there might

[5:32:27] Trustee Patrick: be one on water there might be one on you know you're going to have to collect the agencies sort

[5:32:33] Trustee Patrick: of per the conversation you're having not bring everybody into a room and you know half of them

[5:32:38] Trustee Patrick: are not interested in the conversation so i think there needs to be some terms of reference and some

[5:32:44] Trustee Patrick: purpose behind how you bring in those other agency conversations um

[5:32:49] Voice 12: if i could ask a question there

[5:32:52] Voice 12: because i think there is a point of clarity here that we we provided a listing um what i'm doing

[5:32:58] Voice 12: there is an desire to um that we've sort of categorized in what we call getting away from

[5:33:05] Voice 12: the term stakeholder looking at um you know we have we have governance entities across the island

[5:33:12] Voice 12: that we need to work with we have local organizations we have territorial associations

[5:33:16] Voice 12: uh that we have um just general public um what your your last point there sort of speaks to

[5:33:25] Voice 12: to the notion that rather than engaging those groups based

[5:33:29] Voice 12: on an agency-based approach, what license do they have

[5:33:34] Voice 12: and what impact do they have on this project,

[5:33:38] Voice 12: do you view that as more of a blending of those parties

[5:33:42] Voice 12: around themes such as transportation, agriculture,

[5:33:46] Voice 12: housing?

[5:33:47] Voice 12: Is this a point of conversation that we need to have now

[5:33:51] Voice 12: or in the near future to shape this project?

[5:33:54] Voice 12: yeah

[5:33:54] Trustee Patrick: i think i think that's why i said i think you need to pull up there's some steps there

[5:33:58] Trustee Patrick: of identifying how to do that and how to group them um i do i absolutely encourage you know

[5:34:04] Trustee Patrick: staff going off and meeting with staff of the various organizations but i think you need to

[5:34:08] Trustee Patrick: you do need to ask in terms of references and clarity i received a lot of feedback from people

[5:34:14] Trustee Patrick: who participated on the technical working group from the ganji's village and there was frustration

[5:34:18] Trustee Patrick: they were sitting in meetings that they were not interested in you know so they were attending

[5:34:22] Trustee Patrick: attending, and then they didn't feel there was purpose. So I'm encouraging us, you know, staff,

[5:34:28] Trustee Patrick: there are so many different agencies and entities that have their fingers in something that happens

[5:34:34] Trustee Patrick: on this island, that I think, you know, making those succinct and clear so that you're, you know,

[5:34:41] Trustee Patrick: you're having conversations with groups on a topic of some form or another, so that everybody

[5:34:47] Trustee Patrick: in the room is there for value added, not sitting there going, why are we talking about public

[5:34:51] Trustee Patrick: public health but I'm interested in marine buoys so just making sure the right people are in the

[5:34:59] Trustee Patrick: room everyone's busy imagine yourself being invited to a meeting that violence trust never

[5:35:04] Trustee Patrick: comes up so it's it's just making sure that you know people are very busy and I think that leads

[5:35:11] Trustee Patrick: into sort of that whole table that I would just remove the preliminary contact table once you try

[5:35:18] Trustee Patrick: to make a list of who you should be meeting you're going to be missing people and someone's going to

[5:35:22] Trustee Patrick: be allowed there so there's steps involved who should be you know meeting um and um you know

[5:35:30] Trustee Patrick: so those are actions identify who we should meet with i don't think you should try to list them yet

[5:35:35] Trustee Patrick: i think it's just too early

[5:35:37] Voice 4: the

[5:35:38] Trustee Patrick: preliminary contact table that's on 181 um because that's

[5:35:44] Trustee Patrick: just a little early so you need to solicit them you know this is a whole action to identify who

[5:35:48] Trustee Patrick: they are and how you're going to engage them and i think i think the complete community grant is

[5:35:55] Trustee Patrick: going to be setting up a lot of that structure is what i'm expecting is you're going to be creating

[5:36:01] Trustee Patrick: those natural groups and finding the working groups um but you know it's just amazing how

[5:36:08] Trustee Patrick: many groups there are on this island and on the topic so you're going to be finding a lot

[5:36:14] Trustee Patrick: lot as you go forward.

[5:36:19] Voice 11: Sorry, I'm trying to read all my notes here.

[5:36:25] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, so that was the interest

[5:36:26] Trustee Patrick: of the stakeholders. Yeah, just add some tasks there on the identifying who, but take that list

[5:36:33] Trustee Patrick: up. The referral section, I think, again, is I think that's too early. We're miles away from

[5:36:41] Trustee Patrick: that so I don't think you know I think you just need us to recognize there will be referrals but

[5:36:47] Trustee Patrick: you don't need to say yet I think that's just really and again the target timeline I think

[5:36:53] Trustee Patrick: you're trying to do too much um I would just clear that make it simpler it's more the phases

[5:36:58] Trustee Patrick: and a bigger block on the phase and like what's that what is in that phase I don't think you need

[5:37:04] Trustee Patrick: to try to overwork that you know schedule that I think it should just be broader and then then

[5:37:12] Trustee Patrick: the budget um we've got public hearing costs are in the section of development of communication

[5:37:21] Trustee Patrick: and education materials i think i think i think those type of things should be in their

[5:37:28] Trustee Patrick: own a public hearing is not communication and education so i don't think there should

[5:37:33] Trustee Patrick: to be continued with that um so take out

[5:37:38] Trustee Patrick: oh just separate yeah separate public hearing costs

[5:37:43] Voice 6: out of it you know just separate them um project

[5:37:52] Voice 11: chart i i think your whole project

[5:37:54] Trustee Patrick: change management i think that's more of a question of who request changes i think

[5:38:01] Trustee Patrick: you've got a whole bunch of things that are in there but i think it's

[5:38:05] Trustee Patrick: and we

[5:38:06] Trustee Patrick: should think think about that as to how does you know why would you change and who would

[5:38:13] Trustee Patrick: who would so

[5:38:16] Voice 12: um if i could um the the intention there was really to ensure that lpc maintains

[5:38:25] the ability to direct how we will manage resources throughout this project

[5:38:32] it um and primarily things that affect budget and schedule um those are things that you have

[5:38:40] the job of going back to trust counsel and getting

[5:38:42] Voice 12: more time and money from her so um if there's a

[5:38:46] Voice 12: change um good or bad that's that's a decision that we believe that we'll come back to this table

[5:38:51] Voice 13: um as efficiently as possible and that's what we wanted to focus on reporting so i

[5:38:57] Trustee Patrick: agree it just

[5:38:57] Trustee Patrick: doesn't say that that's why i said

[5:38:58] Trustee Patrick: who who generates that change and it doesn't say that

[5:39:03] i

[5:39:05] Trustee Patrick: think those are my place like i said generally i think it's really good i think i tried to do

[5:39:08] Trustee Patrick: too many it makes too too too detail with too general in some places i think right now we're

[5:39:14] Trustee Patrick: kind of higher higher up

[5:39:15] Trustee Patrick: there right

[5:39:19] Voice 11: start thank you

[5:39:21] Voice 11: trustee patrick trustee harris

[5:39:31] Voice 13: do you have

[5:39:31] Voice 13: i don't know what there's is that we can do to expedite this process um but i hope that we can

[5:39:39] Voice 13: find some way

[5:39:40] Voice 6: of doing that leave it there well a

[5:39:48] Trustee Patrick: good way like i said the more clarity we have

[5:39:51] Trustee Patrick: an understanding on the project the more we'll keep moving forward and you know what what said

[5:39:55] Trustee Patrick: what wastes time is when we go wait a minute we want to go left when we had been saying we were

[5:40:00] Trustee Patrick: going right and i think that's the purpose of this document is to provide that clarity

[5:40:05] Trustee Patrick: And and I think we should, you know, keep

[5:40:07] Voice 6: working at that and we're we're close.

[5:40:14] Voice 6: Okay, thank you for that.

[5:40:25] Voice 6: So in terms of in terms of the

[5:40:41] Voice 9: recommendation here, how do we want to proceed?

[5:40:47] Voice 9: Oh, sorry, Trustee Harris. I'm just having trouble with my mouse here.

[5:40:53] Voice 13: No problem. Is there a way to proceed so that we can make sure we get started as soon as possible, and then we can adjust this as we go?

[5:41:12] Voice 12: as as noted uh in planet gargo's um presentation there um the project roadmap articulated that

[5:41:19] Voice 12: we'll start with complete community assessment um and once early findings from that assessment

[5:41:24] Voice 12: come out that would be the trigger point to initiate this ocp lab project um so we are

[5:41:31] Voice 12: working to move as quickly as possible based on the scope that we provided i would i would

[5:41:38] Voice 12: hazard a guess that that process will go as well

[5:41:42] Voice 13: in the March-April period when we're looking at

[5:41:46] Voice 13: finalizing this scope of work and beginning the procurement

[5:41:49] Voice 13: process for this next project.

[5:41:55] Voice 13: Part of me is concerned that it seems

[5:42:01] Voice 13: very complicated. Does it have to be

[5:42:04] Voice 6: that complicated?

[5:42:06] Voice 6: I would only state that this is,

[5:42:12] Voice 12: official community plans

[5:42:13] Voice 12: do tend to have a very high degree of public focus um they're very large projects they're

[5:42:19] Voice 12: actually not you know comparative to most government projects they're not that expensive

[5:42:23] Voice 12: and you look at the cost of say replacing a sewer line um this is a few blocks um but it's

[5:42:30] Voice 12: the amount of space and time it can take up in a governance organization in terms of public

[5:42:37] Voice 12: public relations, engagement, and community cohesiveness.

[5:42:41] Voice 12: A well-managed project is going to result in a better product.

[5:42:44] Voice 12: So I'm really happy to get the commentary about the need to go quickly,

[5:42:53] Voice 12: but I do think that it's easy enough for a professional fund

[5:42:57] Voice 12: to sit down and write an OCP in a day or two.

[5:43:01] Voice 12: But to get one that is supported by a broad spectrum of the community,

[5:43:07] Voice 12: and that an elected body can endorse as a vision for your document is a bit more challenging.

[5:43:15] Voice 12: And that's really what a lot of this work is centered around.

[5:43:18] Voice 12: It's coming

[5:43:18] Voice 13: up with something that satisfies a large

[5:43:21] Voice 6: part of the community.

[5:43:24] Voice 13: It's interesting. Thank you for that.

[5:43:27] Voice 13: You know, I see, I guess, maybe 30% of people get out to vote.

[5:43:31] Voice 13: How many are actually going to get involved in the OCP and behind it or against it?

[5:43:36] Voice 13: Probably be for some pretty small numbers.

[5:43:37] Voice 13: The important thing is that we have an OCP that will allow us to facilitate zoning that will help our community build and become sustainable and allow for workforce ownership projects to initiate.

[5:43:53] Voice 13: appreciate and I'm I appreciate your mention of the cost it does seem like a fairly um you know

[5:43:59] Voice 13: reasonable cost monetarily but the time that's a big cost um not only um you know not only

[5:44:11] Voice 13: monetarily but um time that people don't have um folks that are needing somewhere to live and don't

[5:44:19] Voice 13: have somewhere to live um we're losing people all the time so however we can expedite this process

[5:44:25] Voice 13: i know i don't really have much pull here but um i think uh something quicker would be better

[5:44:37] Voice 13: thank you hey thank you trustees um so as far as what we want to do today where where are we at

[5:44:47] Trustee Patrick: i don't think we need to make a recommendation because i think there's a chance to kind of

[5:44:52] Trustee Patrick: let you select a consultant and sort of purge the projects more firmly and

[5:44:59] Voice 12: sure this this work plan is intended to inform the ocp process that will be initiated in the spring

[5:45:06] um i i've

[5:45:08] Voice 12: heard um two pieces of information that are both really good because i think it's all

[5:45:13] Voice 12: based on on tightening this part this project up a bit um from trustee patrick i've heard a

[5:45:21] Voice 12: number of of directions on ways that this this can be more clear uh and trustee harris i've heard

[5:45:27] Voice 12: that um there's a need to to focus on the the time frame of it and find efficiency where possible

[5:45:36] Voice 12: so taking that i think we can go away and begin the work of um of refining this more and coming

[5:45:43] Voice 12: back uh i hope in february uh to to talk about this some more and as we look forward the complete

[5:45:49] Voice 12: communities assessment will um will drive a number of these areas um and as you can see there um but

[5:45:58] Voice 12: there's there's probably more work to be done i can certainly take that direction

[5:46:04] Voice 13: um and you

[5:46:06] Voice 13: can come back with a refined product okay so in terms of the recommendation error um

[5:46:18] Voice 13: mentioned

[5:46:18] Voice 9: uh no no that's

[5:46:21] Voice 9: because we didn't actually amend anything

[5:46:22] Voice 9: anything specifically but you did hear a bunch of things and I saw you making notes so it's um

[5:46:29] Voice 12: again I unless unless anybody objected anything that anybody else said I think I can take you

[5:46:34] Voice 12: all in and uh we can do our level best to to work through that um I'm happy to reach out to

[5:46:40] Voice 12: the trustees Harris and Patrick individually and talk about the direction uh prior to that and see

[5:46:47] Voice 9: if I'm getting on the right track okay so so we could we could uh we can pass the recommended

[5:46:52] Voice 9: and that will happen as a matter of course.

[5:46:56] Voice 9: Yeah.

[5:46:56] Voice 12: Oh, good.

[5:46:57] Voice 12: Is that right, Planner Garbo?

[5:46:59] Voice 12: The recommended motion should cover it.

[5:47:02] Voice 2: I'm not sure if I completely understand

[5:47:06] Voice 2: if there is no recommendation.

[5:47:10] Voice 2: I guess, you know, trustees can certainly consider stating

[5:47:15] Voice 2: accept the terms of reference in concept or in principle.

[5:47:20] Voice 2: that way we can move forward with it.

[5:47:23] Voice 2: We did have conversation with a few agencies already

[5:47:27] Voice 2: and they've been quite supportive.

[5:47:29] Voice 2: And we did mention appoint the LTC meeting

[5:47:33] Voice 2: we'll send them a copy.

[5:47:34] Voice 2: So what I like to do is be able to make the changes

[5:47:38] Voice 2: and send them the copy to speed up the process a bit

[5:47:43] Voice 2: if that's okay.

[5:47:48] Trustee Patrick: I had another I mean I'm particularly concerned with the CRD and again the protocol agreement

[5:47:54] Trustee Patrick: says we'd enter letters of understanding for particular work um you

[5:47:59] Voice 13: know and

[5:48:00] Voice 6: so that's

[5:48:05] Voice 6: you know

[5:48:09] Trustee Patrick: that I think is you know to make sure there are they online to work you know to get

[5:48:15] Trustee Patrick: the effort that's necessary to support this project and those things as well so sure i can

[5:48:21] Voice 12: i can speak to that actually um what what is really a positive on that one um is that the

[5:48:29] Voice 12: you know as you know the community the complete community assessment does a lot of laying the

[5:48:34] Voice 12: groundwork around our interest holders um at the quarterly interagency meeting i did speak with

[5:48:40] Voice 12: with CRD and the North Salisbury Water Works District,

[5:48:43] Voice 12: which are two of the key governance partners

[5:48:45] Voice 12: we have on the island here,

[5:48:47] Voice 12: about the big community assessment

[5:48:49] Voice 12: that I did in the big project.

[5:48:51] Voice 12: They probably asked me for a lot of data points

[5:48:53] Voice 13: and a lot of input from both of those staff leaders.

[5:49:01] Voice 13: There

[5:49:02] Voice 12: was a lot of,

[5:49:03] Voice 12: that was a very well-received advancement,

[5:49:06] Voice 13: so they're very excited about that.

[5:49:08] Voice 13: um there's certainly a willingness um but i think there's probably a need for us to focus on the

[5:49:14] Voice 13: the paperwork side of things in terms of ensuring that we have the agreements involved

[5:49:19] Trustee Patrick: and that's that's not in here those are the type of points and actions that you know notifying

[5:49:26] Trustee Patrick: getting agreements um those type of things yes because that will affect speed but

[5:49:34] Voice 11: trustee harris

[5:49:35] Voice 11: is interesting okay

[5:49:37] Voice 9: so i i'm hearing that we can pass the recommendation a recommended uh

[5:49:44] Voice 9: motion here and and staff has gotten most of these and will also reach out to the trustees

[5:49:50] Voice 9: i

[5:49:51] Voice 12: would suggest that you maybe take the uh the approach that that staff received comment uh

[5:49:58] Voice 12: from this conversation today and report back with an update in terms of this yeah

[5:50:02] Voice 9: okay i'm fine with

[5:50:05] Voice 9: that i'm just looking for um moving us along here we're nearly at four o'clock we have several

[5:50:11] Voice 13: closing item

[5:50:13] Voice 12: i will just say that we are you know in constant communication we will be in

[5:50:16] Voice 12: accelerated communication because we already have one intergovernmental project on the go so

[5:50:20] Voice 12: um that work will continue regardless of what happens between now and february with this

[5:50:24] Voice 12: specific scope of work and we'll work to

[5:50:27] Voice 13: um to explain this project better um so

[5:50:33] Voice 9: a potential

[5:50:35] Voice 9: The potential recommendation might be that the LTC request staff to update the terms of reference, based on today's discussion and report back.

[5:50:47] Voice 9: I

[5:50:48] Voice 12: mean, sorry, there's a little thing that I would like to hear that you've got while that's going on.

[5:50:53] Voice 12: You've got this work plan is actually just brought forward because the request that was given at the time of this case was advanced.

[5:51:01] Voice 12: So one thing that expectation and that budget conversation is kind of this other tree that's

[5:51:09] Voice 12: moving in another direction at this time.

[5:51:12] Voice 12: So I just want to be really clear that I've provided that understanding when you're a

[5:51:19] Voice 13: trust counsel in the financial planning community that if someone's asking the question, did

[5:51:24] Voice 13: you get the work plan?

[5:51:26] Voice 13: We provided the work plan, staff were delivered on that part of it,

[5:51:29] Voice 12: is there a fully accepted

[5:51:31] Voice 12: the work plan is fully fleshed out no but if we're on the right track i'm hoping that's enough for

[5:51:37] Voice 12: you to advance the ability to advocate for the

[5:51:41] Voice 13: budget continuing continuation of the project

[5:51:45] Voice 13: yeah

[5:51:45] Trustee Patrick: no i mean part of this is uh we're moving toward the new corporate planning approach and

[5:51:50] Trustee Patrick: and this is all part of the overall building of this type of project management going forward so

[5:51:56] Trustee Patrick: i think we all are in a work in progress i think this this has the chance of becoming

[5:52:00] Trustee Patrick: coming kind of the template for future you know future projects across all of the island's trust

[5:52:06] Trustee Patrick: so i think there's value in taking our time and getting this right um in this case because it

[5:52:12] Trustee Patrick: will serve it'll be

[5:52:13] Voice 6: repeated it shouldn't be repeated so okay um i'm looking for a motion

[5:52:25] Voice 4: the salt's ground local trust may request staff to update the ocp luv terms of reference based

[5:52:31] Voice 4: based on the discussion today and report back?

[5:52:34] Voice 13: Is that the type of direction you want?

[5:52:38] Voice 4: I'll move such motion.

[5:52:40] Voice 9: Okay, so moved and-

[5:52:43] Voice 4: I'll just add the date in there.

[5:52:44] Voice 9: Sure, yeah.

[5:52:45] Voice 9: The date's a great

[5:52:46] Voice 4: thing to add, thank you.

[5:52:51] Voice 13: And Trustee Harris, do you want to second the motion?

[5:52:56] Voice 13: Seconded, further discussion?

[5:53:00] Voice 13: Not hearing any, I'll call the question.

[5:53:02] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[5:53:05] Voice 13: And that motion carries.

[5:53:07] Voice 13: Mr. Chair.

[5:53:08] Voice 12: Yes, sir. Before we move on to the next item, I did want to point out that

[5:53:12] Voice 12: Louisa Garbo will be leaving us in the new year. She's accepted a temporary assignment

[5:53:16] Voice 12: with the Ministry of Municipal Affairs. So just a quick farewell to Ms. Garbo before she leaves.

[5:53:24] Voice 2: Thank you.

[5:53:26] Voice 9: Thank you for that. And best of luck, best of luck and best wishes on your

[5:53:31] Voice 9: your work with the province?

[5:53:33] Voice 2: It's only temporary. I'll be back, I think, in the midst of the

[5:53:38] Voice 2: consultant's early findings. Okay.

[5:53:42] Voice 9: Nonetheless, have a successful and pleasant time there.

[5:53:50] Voice 9: Thank

[5:53:51] Voice 2: you. I appreciate that. I get to know what municipal affairs are doing, so that's exciting.

[5:53:58] Voice 9: Thank

[5:53:58] Voice 2: you. Thank you for your comment today. We'll work on revising the terms of reference.

[5:54:07] Voice 6: Okay, so

[5:54:08] Voice 13: we

[5:54:10] Voice 9: have a number of project items left. We also have some new business that

[5:54:21] Voice 9: really needs to be addressed today. Trustees, where should we go? Should we go back to accessory

[5:54:29] Voice 9: redwelling unit section and

[5:54:33] Voice 6: work our way back down the list that would be my proposal so back to the

[5:54:42] Voice 6: addendum um we have we've had

[5:54:51] Voice 13: a lot of discussion we've

[5:54:54] Voice 9: got a couple of recommendations in front of

[5:54:56] Voice 9: us uh one thing that i just process wise and and it's probably been stated by i'm getting a little

[5:55:09] Voice 9: bit uh a little bit long in the day so uh forgive me if i'm asking you to repeat uh

[5:55:17] Voice 9: staff but i'm just wondering process-wise about the the number um could you just reiterate

[5:55:25] Voice 9: uh i know there was interest in in advancing under a different number just reiterate that for me

[5:55:34] Voice 9: please yeah

[5:55:35] Voice 12: the um there's a draft byline number 537 that could be advanced

[5:55:41] Voice 6: in uh alternative

[5:55:47] Voice 6: two i don't really see that language in alternative number one sorry

[5:56:13] Voice 6: yeah okay number one you can read byline number 537 or you can not

[5:56:29] Voice 12: you can actually resolve to

[5:56:31] Voice 12: not require a public hearing for salt spring island byline under 537

[5:56:38] Voice 6: and request that staff prepare notice okay uh that

[5:56:52] Trustee Patrick: makes so we need both motions on page six

[5:56:56] Trustee Patrick: number one if we do the 537 without public hearing yeah

[5:57:02] Voice 12: that would go ahead with the public hearing

[5:57:03] Voice 12: so you'd be issuing a notice now um and proceeding no further there's also a recommendation that

[5:57:09] Voice 13: it would simultaneously resolve to proceed no further with the pilot.

[5:57:13] Trustee Patrick: Would we need a motion to schedule a special meeting in January for meetings?

[5:57:18] Trustee Patrick: You

[5:57:19] Voice 6: could ask for that separately.

[5:57:21] Voice 6: Okay.

[5:57:21] Voice 6: All right.

[5:57:26] Voice 6: I'm going to talk about the pilot separately

[5:57:28] Trustee Patrick: or talk about the pilot at that special meeting

[5:57:31] Trustee Patrick: because we're running out of time.

[5:57:32] Trustee Patrick: Talk about talking about the pilot.

[5:57:34] Trustee Patrick: Talking about talking about the pilot.

[5:57:35] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[5:57:36] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to move that Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee not require a public

[5:57:39] Trustee Patrick: public hearing for Salt Spring Island local trust committee bylaw number 537 cited the Salt Spring

[5:57:45] Trustee Patrick: Island land use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number two 2023 as presented in attachment by

[5:57:53] Trustee Patrick: the regional planning managers December 14 2023 report as the bylaws consistent with the Salt

[5:58:01] Trustee Patrick: Spring Island official community plan number 434 2008 and request staff proceed with public

[5:58:07] Trustee Patrick: notification as per section 464 of the local government act all

[5:58:14] Voice 9: right uh that is moved

[5:58:16] Voice 9: trustee harris are you interested in seconding the motion

[5:58:20] Voice 13: no but i'll speak to it once you

[5:58:23] Voice 13: second it okay

[5:58:24] Voice 9: i will second the motion uh and discussion yes

[5:58:31] Voice 13: trustee harris i thought um 5 30

[5:58:34] Voice 13: needed to be rescinded before you could put a new number

[5:58:36] Voice 9: what's the next motion the next motion is

[5:58:39] Voice 9: going to be to proceed no further with 5 30.

[5:58:42] Voice 13: they're going to make them both at the same time

[5:58:44] Voice 9: we'll make this one then we'll go to the next one and then we'll request the special meeting

[5:58:50] Voice 9: i

[5:58:51] Voice 13: see um i'm not in favor i don't trust this process i'm definitely afraid that the um

[5:58:58] Voice 13: uh second part of this the um you know the pilot project will not anywhere near encompass what it

[5:59:05] Voice 13: needs to and it's going to get turned into something that is not going to be what people

[5:59:10] Voice 13: had hoped for. So I'm not in favor of moving forward in this fashion. I would propose that we

[5:59:18] Voice 13: try to expedite the OCP process and make it so that bylaw 530 is in line with the OCP and we do

[5:59:30] Voice 13: something similar to what would basically accommodate a bill 44 type of um action on

[5:59:37] Voice 13: the island um for that reason i will not be in favor of either of these motions okay thank you

[5:59:44] Voice 6: for that anything i

[5:59:47] Trustee Patrick: think i spoke spoke about it at length earlier for the reasons why i think this

[5:59:53] Trustee Patrick: the right approach from and for the community students earlier in the table.

[6:00:00] Voice 9: okay uh so if there's no further discussion i'll call the question

[6:00:04] Voice 9: all those in

[6:00:05] Voice 13: favor and any opposed i would like it noted please that um i'm opposed

[6:00:14] Voice 13: to um to this and for the reasons that i stated earlier okay

[6:00:20] Voice 6: thank you for that and

[6:00:21] Voice 9: then uh

[6:00:23] Voice 9: patrick did you want to proceed with the next one um

[6:00:28] Trustee Patrick: i move that the salt spring on

[6:00:32] Trustee Patrick: island global trust committee bylaw number 530 cited as salt spring island land use bylaw number

[6:00:38] Trustee Patrick: 355 1999 amendment number one to 2022.

[6:00:43] Voice 9: uh moved i'll second that discussion just patrick i'm

[6:00:49] Trustee Patrick: confident that we can find uh the get the pilot to work as we need it to um to meet the needs of

[6:00:57] Trustee Patrick: casting a wide net but limiting the numbers as was always the intent

[6:01:01] Trustee Patrick: intent.

[6:01:03] Voice 13: Anything from you, Trustee Harris? Yeah, I'm voting in favor of this. I feel that

[6:01:09] Voice 13: the community has had this kick down the road time and time again. I do not trust the process

[6:01:17] Voice 13: in any way, shape, or form, and I don't trust that the pilot project will facilitate

[6:01:25] Voice 13: what the island was hoping for, although that would only be a drop in the bucket. So I will

[6:01:29] Voice 13: Okay, thank you for that. Is there anything further before I call the question?

[6:01:35] Voice 13: All right, I'll call the question. All in favor and any opposed.

[6:01:42] Voice 13: I would like to please have that noted that I'm directly opposed to this and for the reasons that I mentioned.

[6:01:51] Voice 11: Okay,

[6:01:51] Voice 13: thank you for that. And then a further motion to schedule a special meeting.

[6:02:01] Voice 6: Mr. Chair, do

[6:02:05] Voice 13: you have a date of how, like the latest date that should occur,

[6:02:10] Voice 11: or prior

[6:02:14] Voice 11: to January?

[6:02:19] Voice 13: Yeah, exactly.

[6:02:20] Voice 13: Oh, you can do the notice period, you're definitely going to do it prior to whatever date it's

[6:02:24] Voice 13: going to be.

[6:02:25] Voice 13: So you don't overshoot.

[6:02:28] Voice 13: We're not going to do the notice out tomorrow, that will be in the middle of Christmas, right?

[6:02:34] Voice 13: We'll probably have to review that. That's part of the question.

[6:02:37] Voice 13: Okay. So,

[6:02:39] Trustee Patrick: um, we don't need a date, just the time period.

[6:02:43] Trustee Patrick: So the,

[6:02:44] Voice 12: my understanding of those two desires to, um, is to have this special meeting such that

[6:02:51] Voice 12: this, um, these readings, the, the bylaw can be considered by EC at, uh, at the January 31st,

[6:02:59] Voice 12: Correct. So prior

[6:03:02] Trustee Patrick: to January 23rd, that meets with notice. Notice is going to be the driver.

[6:03:11] Trustee Patrick: I

[6:03:11] Voice 6: assumed this was considered. Notice should be able to make it through.

[6:03:19] Voice 13: Yes, that's the simple assumption.

[6:03:20] Voice 13: of the fund yeah so

[6:03:22] Trustee Patrick: okay so i could just say that move uh move the uh the trust committee uh request

[6:03:31] Trustee Patrick: uh

[6:03:32] Voice 4: i'm sorry oh

[6:03:33] Trustee Patrick: sorry i'm just waiting i'm just trying to i'm throwing things out of what i see

[6:03:37] Voice 13: on

[6:03:37] Trustee Patrick: page four that's an addition and then cells for now local trust when you request uh schedule

[6:03:42] Trustee Patrick: schedule a special meeting prior to January 23rd to read to read by law or to

[6:03:53] Voice 11: read by law

[6:03:55] Voice 6: or do by

[6:03:56] Voice 6: law five to seven readings just scheduling a special meeting okay there

[6:04:05] Trustee Patrick: you go just

[6:04:06] Trustee Patrick: special this better than this schedule a special meeting before prior

[6:04:11] Voice 11: to January 23rd

[6:04:15] Voice 11: Hey, we've got

[6:04:16] Voice 4: nothing to do with the violence and to address

[6:04:21] Voice 12: by

[6:04:22] Trustee Patrick: law 537.

[6:04:23] Trustee Patrick: Actually,

[6:04:24] Voice 12: as a subject for the special just to read to read that by law first time.

[6:04:29] Voice 12: I know you'll do it a second third time, but the first time is what you have to notify on.

[6:04:34] Voice 6: okay first time yes uh

[6:04:45] Voice 4: so the motion would be that the salton county local trust committee

[6:04:48] Voice 4: request staff to schedule a special meeting prior to january 23 2024 to read by law 537

[6:04:56] Voice 4: at first for first for first reading or two to present file out 537 for first reading

[6:05:03] Trustee Patrick: there that sounds wonderful thanks for my working there

[6:05:06] Trustee Patrick: what i saw great

[6:05:08] Voice 9: thank you uh moved i'll second that uh discussion straightforward

[6:05:19] Voice 6: uh i'll call the question all in favor any opposed i'd

[6:05:26] Voice 13: like to have it noted that i'm opposed

[6:05:30] Voice 6: okay thank you for that trustee harris okay

[6:05:35] Voice 9: then uh back to the main agenda unless there's

[6:05:40] Voice 9: anything further on

[6:05:40] Trustee Patrick: the side do we need to give further direction on the pilot i mean back to

[6:05:46] Trustee Patrick: what we originally have a motion that already asked you to look at that and i think

[6:05:51] Voice 13: from from

[6:05:54] Voice 13: what i heard earlier i don't think that we have the same understanding of what that pilot ought

[6:05:58] Voice 13: to be

[6:05:58] Voice 12: so i would welcome any uh input on uh ltc's shared vision of what a pilot should achieve um

[6:06:13] Voice 11: Yeah, we want to spend a lot of time talking about that but it's

[6:06:17] Voice 13: Yeah, we could as well.

[6:06:23] Voice 13: I'm happy to entertain

[6:06:25] Voice 9: us as trustees once I'm not getting home tonight no matter what.

[6:06:29] Trustee Patrick: I'm cognizant of the time and I think it's nice to talk about this a little bit more in detail to set this up to get that clarity.

[6:06:38] Trustee Patrick: i don't want to be in a rush we're probably already getting mush in our brain okay would you

[6:06:44] Voice 13: like to defer change

[6:06:49] Voice 6: anything we could we could add it to the january january agenda that would

[6:06:54] Trustee Patrick: be great

[6:06:54] Voice 9: add it to the january special meeting agenda yeah do

[6:06:58] Voice 9: you need a boat yeah that effect

[6:06:59] Voice 9: i don't think so okay but if i miss it the chair will make sure i put it that's right

[6:07:04] Voice 9: they're

[6:07:04] Trustee Patrick: sensible okay

[6:07:07] Voice 9: so let's go to 14.2 uh we have a staff report on page 121 and this

[6:07:16] Voice 6: is uh

[6:07:19] Voice 6: mr gillis all right thank you chair peterson um again

[6:07:37] Voice 13: we are just picking up some projects that

[6:07:39] Voice 13: are uh midstream in the realm of the lgc's greater water sustainability project um i'll flag again

[6:07:47] Voice 13: that similar to the last item that was discussed the proof of water and timing subdivision

[6:07:51] Voice 13: amongst the principal purposes of these reports that i provided you today is really to ensure

[6:07:55] Voice 13: that there's a placeholder in the trust council budget for any spending that the ltc might be

[6:08:00] Voice 13: undertaking the coming fiscal year the director of finance has indicated that they want to see

[6:08:06] Voice 13: all things identified as line items and so we just want to make sure that we have that placeholder in

[6:08:10] Voice 13: there uh regardless of whether the money actually gets spent um similar to the previous item as well

[6:08:18] Voice 13: all spending that's proposed under this item and the subsequent one is proposed to come out

[6:08:23] Voice 13: of the unspent funds from previous uh special property tax requisitions that were done to uh

[6:08:28] Voice 13: to fund swipa and the work that it has done for the previous few years and that money that went

[6:08:33] Voice 13: unspent um so this item is about the salt spring island watershed protection plan and coordinating

[6:08:42] Voice 13: its implementation and really about governance of water management and watershed protection

[6:08:47] Voice 13: related issues more generally on the island. It's a very, well, it's not a lengthy report,

[6:08:54] Voice 13: but it is probably longer than it needs to be really for the conclusion that we're looking

[6:09:00] Voice 13: for you to endorse us to undertake some interagency meetings with the various other

[6:09:05] Voice 13: agencies that have some jurisdiction over freshwater on the island. And this report

[6:09:10] Voice 13: to you follows on a resolution from your july meeting where the ltc resolved to transfer swipa

[6:09:17] Voice 13: to the capital regional district the crd subsequent conversations with the crd have indicated that

[6:09:23] Voice 13: they're not in a position now nor likely will they be in a position next fiscal year to take

[6:09:28] Voice 13: on that task of administering swipa or indeed a swipa type body and so in the absence um or so

[6:09:38] Voice 13: therefore it bounces back really to the local trust committee for your consideration of what

[6:09:43] Voice 13: you think should happen next in the absence of a special property tax requisition for the coming

[6:09:48] Voice 13: fiscal year as the ltc has not initiated that process yet and indeed in the absence of the

[6:09:54] Voice 13: previous swipper coordinator who has indicated they've gone to other professional pursuits

[6:09:59] Voice 13: um we're really at this time just recommending the series of agency to agency staff meetings

[6:10:06] Voice 13: to try and determine what some appropriate next steps are around governance of water issues on

[6:10:12] Voice 13: the island and that's in general aligned with which what was proposed in the options and

[6:10:20] Voice 13: what was it was the title of Kirk's first report options identification yes report of

[6:10:27] Voice 13: watershed options so trying to figure out which of the options that the consultants from econics

[6:10:34] Voice 13: provided us are going to be most appropriate. What we're recommending here today is the

[6:10:41] Voice 13: endorsement of a project charter. We're looking for the endorsement of a business case and we're

[6:10:47] Voice 13: looking for you to designate a trustee to participate in some of these conversations

[6:10:52] Voice 13: that will take place over the coming fiscal year if indeed it's determined that having

[6:10:56] Voice 13: some political representation around the table is important. In the project charter we are proposing

[6:11:02] Voice 13: proposing a final SWPA meeting to bring some closure to this entity and both to celebrate

[6:11:10] Voice 13: the good work that it's done and also to look at the watershed protection plan that was endorsed

[6:11:15] Voice 13: by the LTC at its July meeting. As I understand it, SWPA has not had a chance to converse on that

[6:11:22] Voice 13: topic as a group yet and I think that's an appropriate way to close up the business of

[6:11:26] Voice 13: that organization. And then we're proposing a series of agency staff meetings. We've already

[6:11:31] Voice 13: had some preliminary conversations with representatives from the capital regional

[6:11:34] Voice 13: district in our salt spring water district to try and gauge their level of capacity and level

[6:11:39] Voice 13: of interest in potentially trying to see different governance options around watershed protection

[6:11:45] Voice 13: uh we're proposing in that project charter one what we're calling the tent meeting which is to

[6:11:50] Voice 13: bring together all of the interest holders that were part of switha and indeed some that aren't

[6:11:55] Voice 13: part of switha really too and i don't know what the content of that meeting is going to be yet

[6:11:59] Voice 13: but obviously it's going to be focused on water and likely sharing whatever it is that the agencies

[6:12:04] Voice 13: who have been getting together have begun to formulate some potential paths forward

[6:12:10] Voice 13: and um in the business case that you have as appendix two in the staff report

[6:12:18] Voice 13: you're proposing a limited range of funding in this current fiscal year really to host that

[6:12:24] Voice 13: final SWPA meeting and do a little advertising related to the wind down. And then in the

[6:12:30] Voice 13: following fiscal year, we're asking you to set aside about $55,000 from the unspent requisition

[6:12:36] Voice 13: funds. The majority of that would potentially be used to bring in a qualified consultant,

[6:12:42] Voice 13: either to help develop the terms of reference,

[6:12:46] Voice 3: if indeed it's determined that the Capital

[6:12:47] Voice 3: Regional District is able to create a greater watershed protection service, or potentially

[6:12:53] Voice 3: to bring in some expertise

[6:12:55] Voice 13: on watershed governance more generally if we want to have a wider ranging

[6:12:58] Voice 13: discussion about the various options that are available and don't want to commit to a singular

[6:13:02] Voice 13: one so we just want to make sure that this potential spending is reflected in the coming

[6:13:07] Voice 13: fiscal year's budget and we're also proposing setting aside ten thousand dollars for first

[6:13:13] Voice 13: stations engagement for these watershed governance issues that's an area where we we had come up

[6:13:20] Voice 13: short on Swipa, where there were indeed seats set aside around that table to engage Indigenous

[6:13:27] Voice 13: people or to engage representatives of territorial First Nations in conversations around freshwater

[6:13:33] Voice 13: protection and freshwater management, and we were just never successful at finding the

[6:13:37] Voice 13: right way to fill those seats, and hoping we can do better on that issue in the years

[6:13:45] Voice 13: ahead.

[6:13:47] Voice 11: i think that's

[6:13:49] Voice 11: all

[6:13:50] Voice 13: i have to say on that look forward to any questions or comments that you

[6:13:53] Voice 13: might have but

[6:13:55] Voice 6: uh trustees questions comments trustee well

[6:14:03] Trustee Patrick: thank you i've been waiting for

[6:14:08] Trustee Patrick: anything about so good to move forward um this uh this year i understand resourcing issues and

[6:14:16] Trustee Patrick: welcome back and uh for working working on this um also want to recognize there's a lot of people

[6:14:24] Trustee Patrick: on this island that take watershed protection seriously and uh and have done a lot of amazing

[6:14:30] Trustee Patrick: work um i i think the work john milson has done with his citizen science project on this island

[6:14:37] Trustee Patrick: is commendable uh it's been proven more than um beneficial in how it participates worked

[6:14:45] Trustee Patrick: down the weston lake um and it works in just you know getting people interested in what's going on

[6:14:52] Trustee Patrick: in their neighborhood oh look my ephemeral stream is running what does that mean oh well the water

[6:14:57] Trustee Patrick: should the groundwater is full and you know it just it's great to see people interested in it

[6:15:02] Trustee Patrick: and it uh because it's fun it's fun it's not just fun it's exciting stuff to see so i'm glad to see

[6:15:10] Trustee Patrick: this working it's um we had done some as a local trust committee very responsible work to uh to

[6:15:17] Trustee Patrick: brought uh uh econics in and to to do the two reports that they've done i'm really grateful

[6:15:24] Trustee Patrick: of the staff from the crd and north salt spray uh water district that worked in in uh coordination

[6:15:31] Trustee Patrick: with islands trust to produce which really is the first coordinated plan on this island and i think

[6:15:38] Trustee Patrick: that um you know is something to that we can be proud of um it's moving forward on the governance

[6:15:46] Trustee Patrick: steps and really setting this up you know swipa was new early 14 years ago now it's a little stale

[6:15:54] Trustee Patrick: and tired that's what happens some organizations that don't renew on a regular basis so i think

[6:16:00] Trustee Patrick: this is a real chance to stop reflect and make sure that the future for a coordinated watershed

[6:16:08] Trustee Patrick: is really thought out carefully and well and um um and while that conversation carries on they're

[6:16:16] Trustee Patrick: now implementing the plan so there's sort of like two two parts to it i think staff

[6:16:20] Trustee Patrick: buckling down and implementing the plan and waving their hands at the elected when they need

[6:16:25] Trustee Patrick: attention and resources um will be effective and while we also set this conversation up for

[6:16:31] Trustee Patrick: for the governance and monitor.

[6:16:33] Trustee Patrick: So I'm grateful for this.

[6:16:35] Trustee Patrick: I do have, when we're done debating,

[6:16:40] Trustee Patrick: I do have some, a couple amendments

[6:16:41] Trustee Patrick: that I'd like to make to the project charter.

[6:16:44] Trustee Patrick: Under the purpose, I did send them to,

[6:16:49] Trustee Patrick: under the purpose statement,

[6:16:51] Trustee Patrick: I'm gonna suggest we remove the third one

[6:16:54] Trustee Patrick: about supporting the CRE and replacing that

[6:16:57] Trustee Patrick: out with a consensus on governance reforms. And then I do have some language I want to change in

[6:17:05] Trustee Patrick: the background to reflect the reports that we did. And I can read that out when we're ready. But

[6:17:12] Trustee Patrick: so I won't put that motion on the table right now. Let the discussion carry on.

[6:17:19] Voice 6: Thank you, Justin. Patrick, Trustee Harris, do you have anything to offer?

[6:17:25] Voice 13: Yes, please. Thank you. Well, SWPA, yeah, it's 14 years, something close to a million dollars.

[6:17:34] Voice 13: Was it a million or was it actually more than that? Anyways, yeah, money not so well spent.

[6:17:41] Voice 13: I'm not sure what any of the results were. I do know we have a housing crisis that rages and

[6:17:47] Voice 13: And projects such as this have had, you know, an effect on our housing crisis and helped perpetuate the housing crisis.

[6:17:59] Voice 13: I'm not in favor of hoarding any of this stuff or not thankful for it.

[6:18:04] Voice 13: I'm sorry to see it.

[6:18:07] Voice 13: You know, many of the people in the community feel the same way.

[6:18:10] Voice 13: Even Maxine Leichner actually came up to me after a meeting and agreed.

[6:18:13] Voice 13: SWIPA was a big waste of time, which blew me right away.

[6:18:16] Voice 13: way but um anyways um not in favor of any anything to do with SWPA or forwarding this

[6:18:23] Voice 13: so I will be voting in such a way I would actually love to yeah I won't even bother

[6:18:31] Voice 13: making the motion but thank you. Trustee

[6:18:35] Voice 9: Harris uh Trustee Patrick you indicated you had some

[6:18:41] Voice 9: amendments um sure i'll read that out um

[6:18:51] Voice 4: before you're going to hesitate as followers and then

[6:18:54] Voice 4: it would be replaced okay

[6:18:58] Trustee Patrick: can that oh oh that's okay she's suggesting i make a couple of warning changes but um

[6:19:07] Trustee Patrick: i'll start reading that up then i know that the salt spring island local trust committee

[6:19:11] Trustee Patrick: amend the water sustainability project charter version one presented in appendix one of the

[6:19:17] Trustee Patrick: staff report as follows replace the third purpose statement with to develop consensus on longer-term

[6:19:29] Trustee Patrick: governance reforms to improve watershed protection and support reform and remove the remainder of the

[6:19:37] Trustee Patrick: second paragraph that begins with the sentence however salt spring local trust committee has

[6:19:43] Trustee Patrick: signaled and replaced with salt spring island local trust committee has identified an opportunity

[6:19:49] Trustee Patrick: to renew the governance and coordination of watershed protection activities by commissioning

[6:19:55] Trustee Patrick: a situation analysis and options identification report and a multi-agency watershed protection

[6:20:02] Trustee Patrick: protection plan for 2023 to 2032 until such time that another body steps into the coordinating

[6:20:09] Trustee Patrick: roles the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee will retain the role however the priority action for

[6:20:15] Trustee Patrick: a new staff-led agency working group will be watershed protection governance and coordination

[6:20:24] Voice 6: so moved I'll second that discussion yeah clearly

[6:20:29] Voice 13: sorry trustee Patrick please proceed

[6:20:35] Voice 13: feed so

[6:20:36] Voice 11: that's right um i just um

[6:20:38] Trustee Patrick: i there are so many entities that have their fingers in the water

[6:20:45] Trustee Patrick: and actually um getting getting the agencies talking to one another is actually advancing

[6:20:51] Trustee Patrick: our ability to service uh more and address water issues that have been stuck for a long time

[6:20:59] Trustee Patrick: and most of that is just coming from just doing the watershed protection plan getting our staff

[6:21:04] Trustee Patrick: in a room talking to each other um so uh we need to continue to get keep people talking to each

[6:21:13] Trustee Patrick: other of all these different agencies um i think formalizing getting the staff off working on the

[6:21:18] Trustee Patrick: plan and really putting our attention on coming up with the governance is a system um or will

[6:21:26] Trustee Patrick: lead us to a much better place you trustee

[6:21:31] Voice 13: harris thank you i would say um you know um

[6:21:36] Voice 13: you know basically everything in contrary to what trustee patrick has just stated

[6:21:42] Voice 13: it's been uh again quite a long time um housing crisis is carrying onward and so we're now going

[6:21:51] Voice 13: to end this swipa from the beast that it was and it's going to morph into this larger beast

[6:21:57] Voice 13: um it's a sad day for our community um it's been a sad 14 years but um sorry to see it

[6:22:05] Voice 13: um progressing in this way um i will not be voting in favor of this okay

[6:22:13] Voice 6: thank you for that uh

[6:22:14] Voice 13: anything further on the motion on the floor i

[6:22:16] Trustee Patrick: don't know just let's

[6:22:17] Voice 13: touch it i

[6:22:18] Trustee Patrick: just want to

[6:22:19] Trustee Patrick: recognize uh former trustee george grahams uh was quite proud of getting this organization started

[6:22:26] Trustee Patrick: and going forward and i think uh um he would be happy to see that it will renew itself into some

[6:22:34] Voice 11: future okay

[6:22:38] Voice 6: anything further just

[6:22:40] Voice 4: one note um the first econics april 2023 should be 2022. oops

[6:22:46] Voice 4: sorry

[6:22:47] Voice 11: did i say it wrong yep you weren't correct okay

[6:22:54] Voice 6: noted

[6:22:55] Voice 9: uh seeing no further discussion i'll

[6:22:59] Voice 9: call the question to all those in

[6:23:00] Voice 13: favor any opposed and one of those

[6:23:07] Voice 13: that could please

[6:23:08] Voice 13: be noted that i was in opposition to this okay

[6:23:12] Trustee Patrick: thank you i'll move the second motion i move that

[6:23:15] Trustee Patrick: the salt spring island local trust committee forward the watershed protection we do you want

[6:23:20] Trustee Patrick: to endorse it as amended oh shoot you're right sorry i move that the salt spring island local

[6:23:25] Trustee Patrick: trust committee endorsed the watershed protection plan uh 2023 32 coordination project charter

[6:23:33] Trustee Patrick: or version two um or as amended version

[6:23:38] Voice 13: one version one

[6:23:39] Trustee Patrick: is amended attached as a appendix

[6:23:43] Trustee Patrick: one stack report to the december 14 2023 wherever the amendment works i think at the end

[6:23:48] Trustee Patrick: as amended okay

[6:23:50] Trustee Patrick: okay

[6:23:52] Voice 9: so moved i'll second that uh further discussion uh

[6:23:57] Voice 13: yes i will not be in

[6:23:59] Voice 13: favor of this um what i see here there's a pattern um the people of salt spring sadly are not being

[6:24:06] Voice 13: democratically represented here i don't know how we're going to come to terms with this but um this

[6:24:12] Voice 13: is really very very troublesome um believe

[6:24:18] Voice 6: it or not thank you trustee patrick anything from you

[6:24:24] Voice 13: uh right now i'll call the question all those in favor i have something else to say

[6:24:28] Voice 13: oh yes i

[6:24:29] Voice 13: forgot to mention um you know in addition to the undemocratic nature of this um

[6:24:36] Voice 13: i this is going against all these things that have gone on today this pattern

[6:24:41] Voice 13: of again undemocratic representation we've got two trustees for salt spring

[6:24:46] Voice 13: one voting for this eco very eco-heavy stuff that's hampering um community and um livelihoods

[6:24:55] Voice 13: and housing and we've just dealt with this at um at trust council in september and come up with

[6:25:02] Voice 13: the mandated you know uh definition regarding section three of the mandate this is in complete

[6:25:08] Voice 13: opposition to that um i'm i hope some people get a hold of this and can take this farther um

[6:25:16] Voice 13: uh i just want to apologize to uh to everybody um that uh sees it in that light

[6:25:25] Voice 13: and the Democratic representation needs to stop.

[6:25:29] Voice 13: Thank you.

[6:25:30] Voice 13: Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[6:25:33] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Harris, I'm really sorry

[6:25:34] Trustee Patrick: that you see this work is that way.

[6:25:36] Trustee Patrick: I actually see the coordination of agencies

[6:25:39] Trustee Patrick: working together on water as advancing our ability

[6:25:43] Trustee Patrick: to manage water effectively and collectively.

[6:25:48] Voice 13: I'm sorry, but I see that as gaslighting.

[6:25:50] Voice 13: I don't, it's like the opposite.

[6:25:52] Voice 13: You're telling me that, so I'm very sorry.

[6:25:54] Voice 6: road but

[6:25:56] Voice 13: um well i hope you guys are are happy it's great okay i'm going to call the question

[6:26:05] Voice 13: all those in favor and any opposed just here so please can i have that noted okay uh trust

[6:26:17] Voice 13: to bathroom i

[6:26:18] Trustee Patrick: know that the salt spring island local trust committee for the watershed protection

[6:26:21] Trustee Patrick: plan 2023 2032 business case attached as appendix to the staff report of december 14 2023 to the

[6:26:30] Trustee Patrick: financial planning committee for inclusion in the 2024 trust council budget

[6:26:35] Voice 13: i'll second that

[6:26:38] Voice 13: any discussion yes i'm not in favor of this again all for the same reasons thank you for that

[6:26:45] Voice 13: trustee harris uh any further discussion i'll call the question all those in favor and any opposed

[6:26:55] Voice 13: one opposed if i could please have that um noted as i was in opposition thank

[6:27:01] Trustee Patrick: you trustee harris

[6:27:03] Trustee Patrick: just patrick um i guess am i appointing myself in a motion i'll do it

[6:27:11] Voice 9: i move that salt spring island local trust committee designate trustee patrick to

[6:27:15] Voice 9: represent salt spring uh local trust committee at meetings to coordinate

[6:27:20] Voice 9: implementation of salt spring island watershed protection plan 2023 32.

[6:27:25] Voice 13: to move seconded uh discussion yes i'm in opposition um trustee patrick has been involved

[6:27:34] Voice 13: with swipa for these 14 years the community has you know we're in bad shape at this point

[6:27:42] Voice 13: we should be focusing on workforce ownership housing plain and simple i'm not in support of

[6:27:50] Voice 13: this this is just more wasted time um and uh and the wedge being driven between the haves and have

[6:27:59] Voice 13: nots on on salt spring island and another step for um closer towards a one giant park um for the

[6:28:06] Voice 13: wealthy so i will not be in favor of this

[6:28:10] Voice 11: that's that's patrick back

[6:28:12] Trustee Patrick: trustee graham uh was uh

[6:28:15] Trustee Patrick: I was only for this last term prior to that

[6:28:21] Voice 13: thank you okay if there's no further discussion I'll

[6:28:26] Voice 13: call the question all in favor any opposed one opposed and if I may please have my opposition

[6:28:33] Voice 13: noted thank you certainly thank you all right uh moving on to item 14.4 on page 153

[6:28:45] Voice 13: and this is also coming from mr yeomans thank you chair peterson uh finally in a similar vein of

[6:28:58] Voice 13: midstream projects and providing trust with an update and an opportunity to reflect on

[6:29:03] Voice 13: how you wish to proceed we want to give you a update today on the ongoing groundwater and

[6:29:09] Voice 13: surface water surface water monitoring pilot program which has been underway since 2017

[6:29:16] Voice 13: This is work that has been coordinated through SWPA, through the South Sparrow Watershed

[6:29:22] Voice 13: Protection Alliance, and is actually, I think, an excellent example of some of the good work

[6:29:26] Voice 13: that SWPA has done, and largely overseen in a technical manner by our freshwater specialist

[6:29:32] Voice 13: William Shulva.

[6:29:33] Voice 13: It consists of 14 groundwater observation wells and five lake monitoring stations that

[6:29:40] Voice 13: have been installed around the island through a grant that SWPA received through the Real

[6:29:45] Voice 13: estate foundation of british columbia that grant and the closing off of that grant program happened

[6:29:53] Voice 13: in 2020 i think was when we submitted our final paperwork to ref bc and the monitoring has

[6:30:00] Voice 13: continued since then though staff recognized not with the frequency of reporting that I think the

[6:30:05] Voice 13: local trust committee probably would have appreciated so we want to bring this to you today

[6:30:10] Voice 13: to provide you with a project charter that will allow a formal closing of the pilot project itself

[6:30:17] Voice 13: but also noting that given that the monitoring stations were urgent and well using some CRD

[6:30:25] Voice 13: money some rent money accorded to the islands trust and continue to provide data for the time being

[6:30:33] Voice 13: near to medium term I think the intention is that William will continue to receive data from these

[6:30:42] Voice 13: monitoring stations but in the interim we would like to provide the local trust committee with

[6:30:47] Voice 13: a final report and analysis of the information that's been received through the pilot project

[6:30:51] Voice 13: to date before the end of this fiscal year and then early in the next fiscal we'd like to have

[6:30:56] Voice 13: a community information meeting to share the outcomes of this monitoring work and the analysis

[6:31:01] Voice 13: and what it tells us about uh about fresh water on salt spring island um you have in your uh

[6:31:11] Voice 13: agenda today attached to this report both the project charter which is an amendment to the

[6:31:16] Voice 13: existing project charter that we're looking for your update on to reflect new dates as well i'll

[6:31:21] Voice 13: a business case that proposes some potential spending that could take place this year related

[6:31:27] Voice 13: to the project and I do want to note

[6:31:30] Voice 13: that this is kind of some worst case scenario forecasting on

[6:31:34] Voice 13: our part just recognizing that we have these unspent requisition funds from which we can draw

[6:31:39] Voice 13: for water related projects and that there may be costs to any of the decommissioning of some of

[6:31:46] Voice 13: of these observation wells that might be being used.

[6:31:50] Voice 13: Freshwater specialist has indicated that by and large,

[6:31:54] Voice 13: most of the monitoring stations can be used by him, by him.

[6:31:57] Voice 13: However, it may very well be the case

[6:31:59] Voice 13: that we encounter some technical difficulties

[6:32:01] Voice 13: that require some professional intervention.

[6:32:05] Voice 13: And we just want to ensure

[6:32:06] Voice 13: that in the coming fiscal year's budget

[6:32:10] Voice 13: and potentially in subsequent fiscal years

[6:32:12] Voice 13: if we don't need to expand the unit this year,

[6:32:14] Voice 13: that we have some money set aside

[6:32:15] Voice 13: to decommission any of these monitoring stations that um you need some money to do so uh to make

[6:32:21] Voice 13: sure that we have that money available when the time comes

[6:32:23] Voice 6: um my report hey thank you trustees

[6:32:35] Voice 6: any questions trustee

[6:32:39] Voice 13: patrick i

[6:32:40] Trustee Patrick: just so the idea is that the data loggers that are still

[6:32:45] Trustee Patrick: functioning and so forth will carry on and the wells that he had yeah

[6:32:50] Voice 13: that's i think you said the

[6:32:52] Voice 13: the, you chose the correct words there.

[6:32:57] Voice 13: The program is getting long in the tooth

[6:32:59] Voice 13: and we definitely have some of the data loggers

[6:33:03] Voice 13: have their better regards have come to completion

[6:33:08] Voice 13: and it could take just a little bit of funds

[6:33:11] Voice 13: to get this back online.

[6:33:13] But through

[6:33:14] Voice 13: just the maintenance of the project,

[6:33:16] Voice 13: I have concentrated the working data loggers

[6:33:19] Voice 13: in the most desirable wells um and and so they're continuing on uh the project has been uncoordinated

[6:33:30] for

[6:33:30] Voice 13: uh quite some time now so um having another uh round of downloads uh beneficial i saw

[6:33:42] Voice 13: coordination as it was being talked about so i set the data loggers to

[6:33:48] to record when they can just be downloaded every year

[6:33:51] Voice 13: rather than every few months.

[6:33:55] Voice 13: So the data integrity is still there.

[6:33:59] Voice 13: It's trying to refrain myself from talking about the data

[6:34:06] Voice 13: and it's important and it's been used already several times.

[6:34:13] Voice 13: I can speak to that if the trustees want,

[6:34:16] Voice 13: but just to finish off with the question

[6:34:19] Voice 13: for trustee patrick is um indeed that the data loggers will run and um they're they're just an

[6:34:27] Voice 13: ambient in their thing right now i think data every uh one point that would mean uh

[6:34:36] Voice 13: chair just one point that i that i neglected to mention um but i think is important is that

[6:34:42] Voice 13: before the fiscal year is out we're also going to get in contact with all the property owners

[6:34:45] Voice 13: that are hosting these monitoring stations to determine their interest in continuing as hosts

[6:34:51] Voice 13: or whether they wish to have the equipment of course if any no one want to participate

[6:34:59] Voice 6: trustee harris your hand up yeah

[6:35:02] Voice 13: i just hear um phrases like data integrity and

[6:35:07] Voice 13: brings questions to my mind um i really don't see the purpose of these studies um we know

[6:35:15] Voice 13: generally where there's water where there isn't water this has been going on for way too long

[6:35:19] Voice 13: um the you know some you can drill a well and have water you can drill 10 feet away from there and not

[6:35:27] Voice 13: have water you drill another 20 feet away from there and have 10 times more water than you had

[6:35:30] Voice 13: in the well over the other side there's no way anybody's going to tell me what the heck is going

[6:35:33] Voice 13: on underneath with any major reliability we've got water coming out of the top of mount tuam

[6:35:41] Voice 13: um there's major water coming out duke's road there's probably there's a well up there that

[6:35:47] Voice 13: that would service all the Ganges into perpetuity.

[6:35:50] Voice 13: We've got islands like Bermuda who have 65,000 people

[6:35:54] Voice 13: and less people than salt, sorry,

[6:35:57] Voice 13: in a smaller area than Salt Spring.

[6:35:59] Voice 13: And they manage just fine.

[6:36:01] Voice 13: They do rain catchment, desalinization.

[6:36:04] Voice 13: We've got all this worry and time, money spent,

[6:36:09] Voice 13: projects initiated, time wasted

[6:36:12] Voice 13: when we have a housing crisis raging.

[6:36:16] Voice 13: So I'll leave it at that.

[6:36:19] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, Just

[6:36:21] Trustee Patrick: perfect um so the data is all being shared with the province or is there going to be, I see that in the Charter that there'll be more conversations with the province for integration of data.

[6:36:32] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, Yes, so.

[6:36:34] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, There is a challenge of sharing the data with the province directly because they would like to put it into their system for us, which makes it public and in the well owner agreements there's want to protect the well owner.

[6:36:49] Voice 13: uh amenity for the particular parcel that was part of that oil sharing agreement um the so

[6:37:00] Voice 13: we

[6:37:01] Voice 11: want to engage with the province to find a way

[6:37:07] Voice 13: to share the data in that way to protect

[6:37:12] Voice 13: the amenity of our of our volunteers and uh indeed the regional district of the nino with their

[6:37:20] Voice 13: program and Gabriela have found a pathway to do so. So I've been coordinating with them to take that on. And if the province requested data, it's possible we can offer it to them.

[6:37:37] Voice 13: This data was used for the Lake Weston water balance project, which without this groundwater

[6:37:48] Voice 13: data and without the stream data that was undertaken by the Water Preservation Society,

[6:37:55] Voice 13: the water balance study wouldn't have happened, and that study is very useful for not only

[6:38:04] Voice 13: the Fulford Water District, but also determining the future of the South Island and how the

[6:38:10] Voice 13: area and the water resource is going to be shared between existing users and new users

[6:38:16] Voice 13: and perhaps, you know, the search and reemergence of the first nations in their reserve down

[6:38:27] Voice 13: at the end.

[6:38:27] Voice 13: So, yeah, I mean, I could speak and link to the data, and I hope to have the opportunity

[6:38:35] Voice 13: to do so.

[6:38:37] Voice 13: okay really

[6:38:39] Trustee Patrick: soon um i'm gonna can i proceed please i move that the salisbury island local

[6:38:45] Trustee Patrick: trust committee endorsed groundwater uh sustainability strategy project uh charter

[6:38:50] Trustee Patrick: version 10 attached as appendix one the staff report dated december 14 2020.

[6:38:56] Voice 13: they'll second that discussion not in favor for all the reasons i stated stated earlier thank

[6:39:03] Voice 13: you trustee harris any further discussion i'll call the question all in favor any opposed

[6:39:11] Voice 13: one opposed can i please have my opposition noted certainly

[6:39:17] Trustee Patrick: thank you i move at the salt spring island

[6:39:19] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee forward the groundwater sustainability strategy business case attached

[6:39:23] Trustee Patrick: as appendix three to the staff report dated december 14 2023 to the financial planning

[6:39:29] Trustee Patrick: committee consideration of inclusion in the 2024-25 trust council budget

[6:39:35] Voice 13: so move 12 second discussion not in favor feel it's a waste of time and money

[6:39:46] Voice 6: that uh any further discussion i'll call the question all in favor any opposed

[6:39:55] Voice 9: one

[6:39:56] Voice 6: opposed may

[6:39:57] Voice 13: i please have my opposition noted certainly

[6:40:01] Voice 6: thank you okay i believe this then

[6:40:06] Voice 6: brings

[6:40:07] Voice 9: us on to new business at 15.1 we have a north island a north bender

[6:40:13] Voice 9: island uh trust

[6:40:15] Voice 9: committee draft bylaw 234 referral on page 184 uh

[6:40:25] Voice 13: is there anyone going to introduce it for us

[6:40:30] Voice 13: it is a straightforward referral um you can pass the there's a resolution here

[6:40:41] Voice 13: yeah

[6:40:41] Trustee Patrick: there's uh we've got it it's basically that

[6:40:44] Voice 4: the south carolina local trust can we respond to

[6:40:46] Voice 4: the north under filing local trust committee to indicate interests are unaffected by draft

[6:40:52] Voice 4: filing number two three four i

[6:40:55] Voice 9: so move okay uh moved

[6:40:59] Voice 13: and would you like to second that trust

[6:41:01] Voice 13: to hear us no thank you i would not like to second it okay i will

[6:41:08] Voice 9: second that um discussion

[6:41:12] Voice 13: i'm unclear as to why we're weighing in on north uh

[6:41:15] Voice 9: this is just a standard referral because we're

[6:41:19] Voice 9: adjacent to north fender who uh we they send us their bylaws just the same way we send theirs for

[6:41:26] Voice 9: referral generally uh a response of interests unaffected as in this motion as frequently the

[6:41:35] Voice 6: case but perhaps not always thank you uh

[6:41:42] Voice 6: so any further discussion i will call the question all

[6:41:45] Voice 6: in favor any opposed and the motion carries okay

[6:41:55] Voice 13: and on page 188 uh coming to us from mr pingel

[6:42:05] Voice 13: the 2024 regular meeting schedule any

[6:42:13] Voice 6: questions any issues with any of those dates

[6:42:21] Voice 6: i

[6:42:22] Trustee Patrick: know that the south ground level trust committee approved the proposed 2024 regular meeting

[6:42:26] Trustee Patrick: meeting schedule as presented in appendix one to establish a meeting schedule as required by the

[6:42:32] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring Island meeting procedure file number 529. uh

[6:42:36] Voice 13: so moved

[6:42:37] Voice 9: uh scared to second that motion

[6:42:40] Voice 9: trustee Harris no

[6:42:42] Voice 13: thank you okay

[6:42:44] Voice 9: I will then second the motion any discussion on the meeting

[6:42:49] Voice 9: schedule motion trustee Patrick don't

[6:42:52] Trustee Patrick: want to engage the discussion today but at some point

[6:42:54] Trustee Patrick: we should consider um town hall meetings and potentially even a joint town hall meeting with

[6:43:02] Trustee Patrick: lcc at least at some point but i think certainly

[6:43:05] Voice 13: we can we can address that at a future meeting

[6:43:09] Voice 13: i don't

[6:43:10] Voice 12: want to do it really the direction today with your formal meetings

[6:43:12] Voice 12: that's similar to the last pattern last year if that's unless it is i

[6:43:17] Voice 12: would go to the party

[6:43:18] Voice 12: i

[6:43:18] Trustee Patrick: think it's worth waiting till we have a complete community grant the community

[6:43:23] Trustee Patrick: community consultant because i think there could be some opportunity to coordinate

[6:43:27] Trustee Patrick: uh an evening town hall session with an you know with something when they get

[6:43:34] Trustee Patrick: this opportunity for coordination

[6:43:37] Voice 9: uh there's nothing further then i'll call the

[6:43:40] Voice 13: question all those in favor any opposed

[6:43:45] Voice 13: and the motion carries all right uh i

[6:43:50] Voice 9: know we're at 4 36 here is there anything um on the policy

[6:43:57] Voice 9: and standing resolutions list that needs addressing otherwise we will receive that

[6:44:02] Voice 9: for information uh we have the future projects

[6:44:05] Voice 13: report anything on that uh active projects list

[6:44:12] Voice 13: uh this list will be updated

[6:44:14] Voice 12: um for the discussion today related to this water sustainability

[6:44:18] Voice 12: project involved that's the only comment on that list

[6:44:23] Voice 9: okay and anything on the application

[6:44:27] Voice 9: status report nothing you know chair okay we have the uh september expense report and the october

[6:44:39] Voice 9: expense report any questions on either of those mr chair and we have no island's

[6:44:48] Voice 13: trust conservancy

[6:44:48] Voice 13: board report and our next regular meeting will be february 15th next year and we will also be

[6:44:59] Voice 13: having a special meeting at a date to be determined uh

[6:45:04] Voice 9: so that being the case i will look for adjournment

[6:45:08] Trustee Patrick: i'm so moved

[6:45:09] Voice 9: okay uh any uh call the question all in favor of adjournment today

[6:45:18] Trustee Patrick: i am definitely in favor

[6:45:19] Trustee Patrick: okay so

[6:45:24] Voice 13: we are adjourned