Islands Trust Executive Committee special meeting, January 9, 2024

[0:00:00] Trustee Luckham: there you go you've got it okay

[0:00:01] Planner McCargar: i think we're good to go okay

[0:00:03] Trustee Luckham: very good uh well uh good morning

[0:00:06] Trustee Luckham: trustees and staff and uh anybody viewing uh remotely or after the fact um here today welcome

[0:00:13] Trustee Luckham: to the gambler island local trust committee special meeting my name is peter luckham i'm

[0:00:18] Trustee Luckham: elected on thetis island and uh i'm the chair of this local trust committee um and of course

[0:00:24] Trustee Luckham: Thetis Island is in Coast Salish Territory, Lyakson and Penelakut people's lands that I

[0:00:30] Trustee Luckham: enjoy living on and I'm grateful for that and broadly across the Coast Salish Territory we're

[0:00:37] Trustee Luckham: pleased to be able to live here but want to recognize the Coast Salish people that have

[0:00:43] Trustee Luckham: lived here for thousands of years and for which there has been a lot of joy but also a lot of

[0:00:49] Trustee Luckham: sadness associated with colonial activities and we're working hard towards knowing that

[0:00:56] Trustee Luckham: and understanding that and creating an environment of reconciliation. So I want to introduce my

[0:01:04] Trustee Luckham: co-trustees here. I see Trustee Bernardo has joined us by video here today. Good morning,

[0:01:08] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Bernardo.

[0:01:10] Voice 2: Yes, I'm Joe Bernardo. I'm a local trustee for Gambier, the Gambier Trust area,

[0:01:17] Voice 2: but I hail from Keats Island and hold the interests of the folks of Keats Island

[0:01:25] Voice 2: foremost in my mind most of the time, but of course I represent everybody in the area.

[0:01:32] Trustee Luckham: Very good. Thank you, Joe. So on the phone today is Kate Louise Stanford,

[0:01:39] Trustee Luckham: who's traveling today, so can't join us with video in the proper Zoom session,

[0:01:43] Trustee Luckham: but I really appreciate you figuring out how to join us by phone today. Kate, good morning. Over

[0:01:48] Trustee Luckham: over to you.

[0:01:49] Voice 5: Thanks, Chair Luckum. I'm happy to be here. I'm calling in from Squamish Nation

[0:01:58] Voice 5: Territory in Alcoxum, Howe Sound. Excellent,

[0:02:02] Trustee Luckham: thank you. And with us on the video is also

[0:02:07] Trustee Luckham: Regional Planning Manager Renee Jemrat. Good morning, Renee, and happy new year to you,

[0:02:12] Trustee Luckham: and glad to see you here today. And I got Marlis McCargar as our Danbury Island planner, and

[0:02:19] Trustee Luckham: And good to see you here today.

[0:02:21] Trustee Luckham: And thank you for your help in preparing this agenda and running the meeting here today.

[0:02:25] Trustee Luckham: And also online, here's Diane Corbett, who's recording our minutes today.

[0:02:30] Trustee Luckham: And I want to thank you for that work also.

[0:02:35] Trustee Luckham: So we have an agenda before us.

[0:02:38] Trustee Luckham: This is a special meeting.

[0:02:39] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm not inclined to add new items.

[0:02:43] Trustee Luckham: But I'll ask, is there any new items in business that is urgent that needs to be added to today's

[0:02:48] Trustee Luckham: agenda?

[0:02:49] Trustee Luckham: Anybody?

[0:02:50] Voice 2: I have nothing to add nothing

[0:02:52] Voice 5: for me either all

[0:02:54] Trustee Luckham: right then very good so let's adopt the agenda

[0:02:57] Trustee Luckham: um as presented and uh we will begin so uh there is a public comment period just going to go and

[0:03:06] Trustee Luckham: have a look to see if we have any attendees we have a couple of attendees and uh so uh before

[0:03:12] Trustee Luckham: we start do uh any of the folks that are out there wish to address the local trust committee I see

[0:03:18] Trustee Luckham: Camilla Berry has her hand up and so if we can promote her to a panelist and and turn her

[0:03:25] Trustee Luckham: microphone on we can hear from Camilla Berry. Are you there? Can you hear us?

[0:03:37] Voice 4: Yes hello can you hear

[0:03:38] Voice 4: me? Yes.

[0:03:42] Voice 4: Okay thank you. I do have a question in the the last LTC meeting which I believe was

[0:03:48] Voice 4: November 21st, Chair Luckham had expressed some concerns or opposition to either the decision or

[0:03:58] Voice 4: the process that was happening. I'm sorry, I didn't rewatch the meeting. And I'm just wondering

[0:04:02] Voice 4: if I could ask Chair Luckham to, if he could explain what some of his concerns were.

[0:04:09] Trustee Luckham: Sure, I would recommend you watch the session if you can. But my concerns, I'm not concerned with

[0:04:19] Trustee Luckham: With the potential application for installation of the fiber cable to Keats, there are certainly

[0:04:27] Trustee Luckham: some concerns that we need to turn our mind to with respect to that work, and we're going

[0:04:31] Trustee Luckham: to discuss that today.

[0:04:33] Trustee Luckham: It's unusual for an LTC to write amendments to bylaws.

[0:04:41] Trustee Luckham: Normally, we would refer that to staff and have them craft language that seems appropriate

[0:04:47] Trustee Luckham: to them in planner speak i'll just say and um and so i was just concerned about that process

[0:04:53] Trustee Luckham: and advancing that when uh wasn't identified in our projects lists and all the likes it's an

[0:04:59] Trustee Luckham: unusual process and i'm kind of a process guy um and so that was my objection so thank you for

[0:05:06] Trustee Luckham: asking okay

[0:05:07] Voice 4: thank you may i ask one more thing or say just say one more thing um when this connected

[0:05:12] Voice 4: coast came up i did look into the ecological and environmental impacts of this fiber optic cable

[0:05:23] Voice 4: and what came out is that it's extremely toxic on its mode of production that it uses sand mining

[0:05:29] Voice 4: and quartz mining and then when you look this up of what's happening around the world

[0:05:33] Voice 4: it is leading to the pollution of aquifers it's leading to the complete displacement

[0:05:38] Voice 4: replacement of villages you know and i'm not opposing i know that this is going to move

[0:05:44] Voice 4: forward but just as all of these meetings start with an acknowledgement of where we live and the

[0:05:49] Voice 4: privilege that we have i i do want it acknowledged that we have to make these decisions with humility

[0:05:56] Voice 4: you know and i think that there was a comment that you know a few crabs would be displaced

[0:06:01] Voice 4: but that is not the case and and i think that when we um that this is um another process of

[0:06:08] Voice 4: colonization and of imperialization and I just want that acknowledged that with all new technologies

[0:06:15] Voice 4: when everything it is destructive and it is destroyed and that we will continue to use

[0:06:21] Voice 4: these things this is the way that they are but I think it's extremely important that

[0:06:25] Voice 4: that that be acknowledged thank you thank

[0:06:30] Trustee Luckham: you very much for bringing that to our attention

[0:06:32] Trustee Luckham: and appreciate that and conversation as we move on goes in a direction that does recognize

[0:06:39] Trustee Luckham: potential impacts. Thank you.

[0:06:42] Voice 5: Thanks, Camilla.

[0:06:46] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so I don't see any other hands up at this

[0:06:50] Trustee Luckham: time. So just ask one more time. If you're, if you come in by phone, you have to do something

[0:06:57] Trustee Luckham: like star nine or star six or something to raise your hand, but not seeing any hands up. So I'm

[0:07:05] Trustee Luckham: to continue with the meeting and so thank you very much for those of you that have joined us

[0:07:10] Trustee Luckham: uh on the webinar today um so the one and only business item here today is keats island marine

[0:07:17] Trustee Luckham: general uh zone amendment and um i'm just going to turn this over to planner mccargar who's prepared

[0:07:24] Trustee Luckham: this for us and renee jamrat as you see fit to chime in um and uh just to introduce this um and

[0:07:32] Trustee Luckham: then we will have a discussion at the table here with respect to the recommendations five

[0:07:38] Trustee Luckham: which are listed on the first page over to you great

[0:07:42] Planner McCargar: thank you chair i'll just do a brief intro

[0:07:45] Planner McCargar: the purpose of the report is to introduce draft bylaw number 158 which seeks to permit the

[0:07:52] Planner McCargar: establishment and use of telecommunication utilities in the marine general zone on keats

[0:07:57] Planner McCargar: Island. This is an LTC initiated bylaw amendment and in the staff report there's a preliminary

[0:08:05] Planner McCargar: review of the proposal from Connected Coast. Connected Coast is proposing to place subsea

[0:08:11] Planner McCargar: fiber optic cable in the marine area adjacent to Keats Island. It doesn't permit marine

[0:08:19] Planner McCargar: marine um or cables or anything other than navigational aids in that zone so that is why

[0:08:27] Planner McCargar: the amendment is being contemplated the report also looks at some of the gaps and possible

[0:08:34] Planner McCargar: issues associated with moving forward with the amendment in an expedited timeline

[0:08:41] Planner McCargar: staff is recommending that the ltc proceed within the typical process and those recommendations

[0:08:48] Planner McCargar: are listed on page two of the package and that staff do conduct some analysis.

[0:08:56] Planner McCargar: So Connected Coast is proposing to lay a fiber optic cable in the Marine General Zone to connect

[0:09:03] Planner McCargar: Keats Island residents to the network, improving connectivity for residents of Keats Island.

[0:09:08] Planner McCargar: The marine cable will be encased in a split pipe armoring system and rest on the seabed floor.

[0:09:15] Planner McCargar: So the installation would bring the backbone fiber to the communities, but would stay at that stage until a service provider picked up the connection.

[0:09:26] Planner McCargar: And at that time, it would move to individual homes.

[0:09:29] Planner McCargar: So Connected Coast wouldn't actually be connecting to individual homes, just setting up the backbone.

[0:09:36] Planner McCargar: So the LTC requested that staff make very specific changes to the Marine General Zone.

[0:09:42] Planner McCargar: own. The changes have been outlined in red on page 12 of the agenda package. So I just wanted

[0:09:49] Planner McCargar: to highlight that telecommunications utilities could be broadly interpreted. Depending on the

[0:09:56] Planner McCargar: LTC's intention, you might want to consider more specific wording, specifically, you know,

[0:10:03] Planner McCargar: talking about underwater cables or something that more narrowly meets what the amendment

[0:10:11] Planner McCargar: amendment is trying to do. And as drafted in Section 0.1, the MG Zone permits telecommunication

[0:10:20] Planner McCargar: utilities, but then Section 0.2, the structures, is contradictory to that in that it does not permit

[0:10:28] Planner McCargar: permanent buildings or structures of any kind. So the LTC might want to consider amending the

[0:10:34] Planner McCargar: wording of Section 0.2, so it doesn't contradict. Staff didn't review the Islands Trust Policy

[0:10:43] Planner McCargar: Statement, OCP, or Land Use By-law. So typically, staff would identify any potential issues or

[0:10:51] Planner McCargar: opportunities arising from an amendment project, you know, looking at the environmental impacts,

[0:10:56] Planner McCargar: any legal issues, financial implications, First Nations, sensitive ecosystems, that kind of thing.

[0:11:03] Planner McCargar: In addition, staff will also typically identify any information gaps or opportunities for mitigation, adaptation, consultation, technical studies, that sort of thing.

[0:11:16] Planner McCargar: So, none of that has been done.

[0:11:19] Planner McCargar: As well, there's been no analysis done on this specific proposed change, aside from just a couple of things I flagged earlier.

[0:11:28] Planner McCargar: earlier. So for consultation, this amendment doesn't involve the OCP and therefore the LTC

[0:11:38] Planner McCargar: is not required by the Local Government Act to consider opportunities for consultation with

[0:11:43] Planner McCargar: persons, organizations, or authorities. However, in the spirit of relationship building, this is

[0:11:48] Planner McCargar: considered to be good practice. The LTC should consider if it wishes to undertake additional

[0:11:53] Planner McCargar: consultation and direct staff accordingly. Staff did hear from one resident recently since writing

[0:12:01] Planner McCargar: the report regarding the broad scope of the telecommunication utilities and concerns that

[0:12:07] Planner McCargar: this could permit cell phone towers. The LTC is not holding a public hearing for the draft bylaw

[0:12:15] Planner McCargar: number 158 under the authority granted in sections section 467 of the Local Government Act.

[0:12:24] Planner McCargar: If the LTC would like to meet the Connected Coast Partnership completion deadline of March 2024 and have final adoption of the bylaw possible in that timeframe, then an expedited approval process is required.

[0:12:41] Planner McCargar: Referrals, community consultation, and First Nation engagement would be very difficult in that short timeframe.

[0:12:46] Planner McCargar: frame. If the LTC wants to meet the expedited time, first, second and third reading would need

[0:12:55] Planner McCargar: to take place today and the bylaw would be forwarded to executive committee and then final

[0:13:00] Planner McCargar: adoption of the bylaw could take place through a resolution without meeting once EC approval is

[0:13:07] Planner McCargar: obtained. I just wanted to note that there is a risk that without the planning analysis, without

[0:13:13] Planner McCargar: out the islands trust policy statement checklist first nations and gave engagement referrals

[0:13:21] Planner McCargar: the bylaw might not make it through the executive committee approval process but if the ltc would

[0:13:28] Planner McCargar: like to proceed with this alternative the resolutions are listed below in the alternative

[0:13:33] Planner McCargar: section of the staff report and happy to answer um any questions um i

[0:13:44] Voice 5: have a question go ahead

[0:13:46] Voice 5: Um, I'm just wondering, have we heard anything from Connected Coast in terms of providing

[0:13:52] Voice 5: application for a zoning amendment?

[0:13:58] Planner McCargar: No, they have indicated that they will not submit an application as the LTC is proceeding

[0:14:04] Planner McCargar: with this amendment.

[0:14:11] Voice 5: And then if we are to proceed, I did read the report last night, but I just didn't notice

[0:14:18] Voice 5: If we proceed as recommended, what is the earliest possible timeline for this completion?

[0:14:30] Voice 5: Well,

[0:14:33] Planner McCargar: typically for referrals, we'll give a minimum of two months.

[0:14:40] Planner McCargar: I would say would probably for completion, we'd be looking at a three to four month window.

[0:14:55] Planner McCargar: sort of hard to hard to guess you know that would also be based on meetings and that type of thing

[0:15:01] Planner McCargar: but right yeah would would probably three to six months would be generous but yeah potentially

[0:15:06] Planner McCargar: three to four months

[0:15:07] Voice 5: okay okay thank you those are all the questions i have mr

[0:15:18] Voice 2: chair i've got

[0:15:19] Voice 2: my hand up are

[0:15:21] Trustee Luckham: you yeah i just asked you do you have any questions i

[0:15:24] Voice 2: didn't hear you sorry thank

[0:15:25] Voice 2: you all right

[0:15:26] Voice 2: um yeah i i do have some questions um uh but from my understanding is that you know

[0:15:37] Voice 2: the the recommendations that are in this report are really no different than the position the

[0:15:43] Voice 2: staff took uh last time um when staff expressed some discomfort with uh proceeding outside of

[0:15:52] Voice 2: the usual practice um basically there's nothing new here um and if i understand you correctly

[0:16:07] Voice 2: planner mccarver uh you know from your preliminary remarks you're making the point that if we wanted

[0:16:15] Voice 2: to have an expedited timeline that would meet the march deadline we don't have much choice we have

[0:16:20] Voice 2: to proceed in this fashion the regular procedure that you're recommending that we follow is going

[0:16:26] Voice 2: going to cause us to miss the deadline isn't that right that's

[0:16:32] Planner McCargar: correct um just note that the

[0:16:35] Planner McCargar: deadline could be missed depending i can't advise on what executive committee will do with this

[0:16:40] Planner McCargar: information so if this doesn't that

[0:16:42] Voice 2: wasn't that wasn't that wasn't the question what executive

[0:16:45] Voice 2: committee does is not for us to speculate they'll do what they'll do i'll point out in passing

[0:16:50] Voice 2: however that's not the end of the debate um if executive committee was so bold as to deny people

[0:16:58] Voice 2: people in Keats Island access to broadband, you can be sure that the matter would be appearing

[0:17:04] Voice 2: before Trust Council, which of course has the authority to overrule any type decision the

[0:17:09] Voice 2: Executive Committee may make in terms of denying a bylaw. There's always that route of appeal to

[0:17:17] Voice 2: Trust Council. So

[0:17:19] Voice 6: when

[0:17:22] Voice 2: you're talking about Executive Committee, what you're really talking

[0:17:25] Voice 2: about is frankly a strenuous debate that depending on get committee's decision a

[0:17:35] Voice 2: strenuous debate that ends up happening on a trust council about the proper role

[0:17:40] Voice 2: of an executive committee and frankly about the proper role of staff those are

[0:17:45] Voice 2: all things that may or may not happen ideally they won't happen but what we

[0:17:52] Voice 2: We have here, appears to me, to be a conflict between bureaucratic practice, traditional practice, and the urgency of the situation.

[0:18:04] Voice 2: And we need to have a sense of proportion here.

[0:18:07] Voice 2: This project is being undertaken all up and down the coast and all around Vancouver Island for the express purpose of bringing broadband internet access to communities that otherwise have no possibility of getting it.

[0:18:22] Voice 2: that includes Keats.

[0:18:24] Voice 2: There's nothing unique about the situation that Keats is in.

[0:18:27] Voice 2: There's all sorts of islands, including Thetis,

[0:18:29] Voice 2: including all sorts of other islands within the Islands Trust area

[0:18:34] Voice 2: that are permitting the cable to hit their islands

[0:18:36] Voice 2: because they've already got that in their bylaws.

[0:18:39] Voice 2: They have that permission.

[0:18:40] Voice 2: We just happen to have a bylaw that is restricted.

[0:18:44] Voice 2: So nothing's changed from the situation that we were in last time,

[0:18:48] Voice 2: the last meeting, in the sense that there's urgency to get this done

[0:18:51] Voice 2: in order to allow broadband to get to Keats Island.

[0:18:55] Voice 2: Our current practices are simply,

[0:18:58] Voice 2: we can't meet all of the usual benchmarks

[0:19:02] Voice 2: that normal practice follows.

[0:19:05] Voice 2: So we're facing the common set situation

[0:19:08] Voice 2: and having to make a judgment call

[0:19:10] Voice 2: as to whether or not this amendment is of a nature

[0:19:15] Voice 2: that the LTC can safely say,

[0:19:18] Voice 2: okay, on our own initiative and our own wording,

[0:19:21] Voice 2: we're going to throw that out here because it's basically a consequential amendment

[0:19:24] Voice 2: that brings the mg zone into line with the rest of the zones and we made the decision last time

[0:19:30] Voice 2: that it was necessary to do that and as you pointed out planner mccarver it's unnecessary

[0:19:35] Voice 2: for the coast because of that it's unnecessary for connected coast to make an application

[0:19:41] Voice 2: so uh i would like us to proceed on the basis that we will will indeed go through first second

[0:19:46] Voice 2: and third reading today because that's our only way of making sure that keats gets access to um

[0:19:52] Voice 2: uh broadband now uh plan ricardo you had you had made some comments about

[0:20:00] Voice 2: some some potential issues um and there is a technical issue here uh well there's two of them

[0:20:06] Voice 2: there was a member of the public who expressed some concern about a cell phone tower being

[0:20:11] Voice 2: enabled i would like to point out that there is nothing about this amendment that would enable

[0:20:17] Voice 2: the construction of the cell tower because this amendment is strictly concerned with what happens

[0:20:23] Voice 2: in the marine general zone which is all water and so uh no one's going to be putting any cell

[0:20:30] Voice 2: towers anytime soon or even wanting to put any cell towers any soon anytime soon on the sea

[0:20:35] Voice 2: bottom that ain't happening and uh so we don't have to worry about that now there is a question

[0:20:42] Voice 2: here that plan mccartney raised about there being arguably a contradiction between the amendment

[0:20:48] Voice 2: in the first part of the marine zone the marine general zone which you know by speaking in terms

[0:20:58] Voice 2: of telecommunication utilities is to enable the laying of the undersea cable and you pointed out

[0:21:06] Voice 2: out that there's a prohibition on structures

[0:21:12] Voice 2: in the second section of the zoning section there

[0:21:15] Voice 2: from Ray General.

[0:21:17] Voice 2: I've looked at the definition of structure

[0:21:20] Voice 2: in respect of that, and we may need to make a change here,

[0:21:24] Voice 2: but I'm not persuaded yet because when you look

[0:21:28] Voice 2: at the definition of structure in the land use bylaw,

[0:21:34] Voice 2: the definition is that it is a thing

[0:21:37] Voice 2: that is constructed or erected and is laid down on the surface of the ground or rests on the ground

[0:21:48] Voice 2: or something like that but it's the marine cable will certainly be placed in the water and end up

[0:21:56] Voice 2: laying on the sea bottom so it meets half of the definition of structure but a marine cable is laid

[0:22:02] Voice 2: down. It's not constructed. It's not erected. It's not a building. And do you have any comments

[0:22:10] Voice 2: about that interpretation of it?

[0:22:14] Planner McCargar: I don't. This is all something that would be done as part of

[0:22:17] Planner McCargar: some planning analysis, which I haven't done.

[0:22:21] Voice 2: Okay. Well, that's all to say I'm not particularly

[0:22:26] Voice 2: concerned about it because I don't see a contradiction there because I don't see a

[0:22:30] Voice 2: C cable as falling under the definition of either being constructed or erected. So that's my point

[0:22:34] Voice 2: there in any event uh where i'm at and you know we do need to have some room for further debate here

[0:22:41] Voice 2: but um i'm hoping that we will get to a point where i can make a motion soon uh that we will

[0:22:48] Voice 2: then proceed on the basis of going through a first second and third reading um how that process works

[0:22:54] Voice 2: in doing all of those things all at once i'm not quite sure i might need some help in terms of

[0:23:00] Voice 2: wording of motion but that's where i'd like to get to thank you thank

[0:23:05] Trustee Luckham: you joe um i have a couple

[0:23:09] Trustee Luckham: of questions of my own and um i don't want to um block or restrict this uh um without reason

[0:23:19] Trustee Luckham: that's for sure um certainly understand the necessity to advance this um you know having

[0:23:28] Trustee Luckham: I'll just start off. By having no application, I have some questions that if we had received an application or more details from the company that's doing the work, we would maybe know more.

[0:23:41] Trustee Luckham: And some of my questions wouldn't necessarily be relevant, but because we don't have that reporting that would come to an application or through a planning analysis, I have a few questions.

[0:23:57] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, I guess it all comes down to the deadline, and I don't really fully understand what that deadline means.

[0:24:11] Trustee Luckham: There's lots of factors associated with the deployment of this.

[0:24:15] Trustee Luckham: And again, I don't know what the schedule of this is and the planning that's necessary,

[0:24:21] Trustee Luckham: but it seems a little arbitrary at this particular point in time

[0:24:25] Trustee Luckham: in order to pressure the LTC to advance this, but that's fine.

[0:24:30] Trustee Luckham: The other things that are of immediate concern is,

[0:24:33] Trustee Luckham: is there a foreshore permit required from the province,

[0:24:38] Trustee Luckham: from the Ministry of Forestry and Land and Resources?

[0:24:42] Trustee Luckham: And then the second item that is of concern is,

[0:24:46] Trustee Luckham: especially if we're not going to consult with forests and lands or consult with fisheries on

[0:24:55] Trustee Luckham: this, is fisheries does have closures with respect to spawning and fish habitat at particular times

[0:25:03] Trustee Luckham: of the year. And certainly spring is one of those. And I would want to know that we're not the only

[0:25:09] Trustee Luckham: agency that could potentially hold this up. And so the first question is, is there a foreshore

[0:25:15] Trustee Luckham: permit required for this location for this work and um uh do you have any uh reason to believe

[0:25:24] Trustee Luckham: there might be some concerns concerns from fisheries and oceans with respect to the

[0:25:28] Trustee Luckham: disturbance of fish habitat uh with the work that is underway those are my two questions

[0:25:35] Trustee Luckham: i

[0:25:41] Planner McCargar: don't have the answer to either of those okay

[0:25:45] Trustee Luckham: so then in a can you uh is it unfair for me to ask

[0:25:50] Trustee Luckham: that in a normal circumstance and another application, another work of this nature that

[0:25:58] Trustee Luckham: we've done in the trust area, is that something that we should be concerned about? And is that

[0:26:04] Trustee Luckham: a good rationale for us to do a referral to them as well as nations?

[0:26:14] Planner McCargar: Yeah, it was my recommendation

[0:26:16] Planner McCargar: that there was a referral to DFO.

[0:26:19] Trustee Luckham: And we would learn that. Okay. Sana Jamarat, do you have

[0:26:22] Trustee Luckham: additional information with response to my question thank

[0:26:26] Voice 3: you through the chair

[0:26:27] Voice 3: this project is a joint project with the regional district and the proponent

[0:26:33] Voice 3: undertaking the work so they also have to complete any necessary permission to

[0:26:39] Voice 3: be able to undertake that construction so that may not be for the LTC to seek

[0:26:46] Voice 3: that approval from the province whether there are any permits required that

[0:26:51] Voice 3: would be through the the project work itself to do that um if we wanted to understand um i guess it

[0:26:59] Voice 3: would be to what um what would the ltc want to learn from uh seeking that information from the

[0:27:07] Voice 3: province in order to inform your decision to move forward with the amendment um that might that

[0:27:14] Voice 3: might help but in in regards to the project moving forward or how it proceeds there the project

[0:27:21] Voice 3: proponents are responsible for getting those any sort of provincial permits before they

[0:27:25] Voice 3: undertake construction okay well

[0:27:28] Trustee Luckham: that's that's very helpful actually that's great

[0:27:30] Trustee Luckham: because then and you're absolutely right i realize this is just a simple zoning we are

[0:27:36] Trustee Luckham: only interested in the zoning aspect of it the applicant is responsible for this other permitting

[0:27:40] Trustee Luckham: and permissions from fisheries and oceans um i just i just raised the question really because it

[0:27:47] Trustee Luckham: that could also impact the deadline that has been provided.

[0:27:50] Trustee Luckham: So that's fine then,

[0:27:51] Trustee Luckham: so I don't have any concerns with that.

[0:27:53] Trustee Luckham: So my final question then is,

[0:27:56] Trustee Luckham: the deletion of the word structures,

[0:27:58] Trustee Luckham: and perhaps this is for Trustee Bernardo,

[0:28:01] Trustee Luckham: the deletion of the word structures

[0:28:03] Trustee Luckham: in the first line of the amendment to that,

[0:28:08] Trustee Luckham: I'm just wondering why that word was deleted

[0:28:11] Trustee Luckham: when really the intent of the amendment

[0:28:14] Trustee Luckham: amendment is to permit the telecommunications piece. And I don't have any trouble with that.

[0:28:21] Trustee Luckham: And so I do wonder whether or not just if there's not a strong reason for

[0:28:26] Trustee Luckham: retaining the word structures, continuing to have that in there. Is there any reason to

[0:28:36] Trustee Luckham: delete that word?

[0:28:40] Voice 2: Bear with me. I'm just looking at the language again.

[0:28:50] Voice 2: Yeah. Just looking at it reminded me of one of those miracles where I can actually remember my reasoning here.

[0:29:00] Voice 2: I recall that when we were doing this last time, I was struck by the use of the word structures in there because all of the itemized permitted uses prior to introducing the language with respect to telecommunication,

[0:29:19] Voice 2: just as originally written, that language, the itemized things in the list didn't make any sense to me

[0:29:31] Voice 2: that the word structures was even there because, of course, we're dealing with the Marine General Zone,

[0:29:39] Voice 2: which is all underwater.

[0:29:42] Voice 2: And so the two items originally were research and educational activities.

[0:29:47] Voice 2: Well, there's no structure.

[0:29:48] Voice 2: think i mean that's a land use that's permitted okay i get that no structures involved

[0:29:55] Voice 2: navigational uses that's a use of

[0:30:00] Voice 2: I suppose, anchoring, perhaps a buoy or something like that, or some signaling device from the sea, but it's also not a structure. So it seemed to me that the word structure was surplus and confusing and didn't belong there. That's why I deleted it.

[0:30:15] Trustee Luckham: Right. Okay, but it's ancillary to the intention, which is to allow telecommunications, I think.

[0:30:22] Trustee Luckham: Yes,

[0:30:22] Voice 2: that's one way of putting it. It's ancillary to it. It was incidental to me to put that in.

[0:30:27] Voice 2: So

[0:30:29] Trustee Luckham: the only concern, and I would suggest we just leave that word in. And the reason for that would be, and I'm sure that you're familiar with this, is that often there is a pole or an erection of a sign of some sort on a shoreline, and it could even be on a pole within the marine environment, for all that matters, indicating that there's a buried cable so that people don't anchor on it.

[0:30:55] Trustee Luckham: and so um i would just maybe suggest we leave that in there for now and if we want to revisit that

[0:31:00] Trustee Luckham: sometime in the future that would be fine but um i think it's not necessarily immediately

[0:31:06] Trustee Luckham: pertinent to the enabling of telecommunications but you can consider that uh

[0:31:14] Voice 2: well as you pointed

[0:31:18] Voice 2: out it was incidental to to the original intention which was the agent the basic intention is to

[0:31:23] Voice 2: enable the telecommunication utilities really this was a grammar point that i just caught on the way

[0:31:30] Voice 2: to doing that so you know i'm really in the hands of the committee here in the sense that i'm not

[0:31:38] Voice 2: this isn't a hill to die on i'm not going to make a big deal about it uh because i i actually as i

[0:31:43] Voice 2: pointed out before i don't think the term structure is even relevant to the laying of cable so

[0:31:49] Voice 2: it's just it's like if you leave the word structure in there it's it is going to be

[0:31:53] Voice 2: it might add to the um confusion in terms of interpretation in the sense that land uses and

[0:32:01] Voice 2: structures and then we don't actually have any structures in the shopping list underneath it

[0:32:07] Voice 2: it's you know it risks creating a certain amount of confusion that way uh with respect to the pole

[0:32:12] Voice 2: point uh again the only way that would work would be as if the thing was secured to the sea bottom

[0:32:19] Voice 2: them in a part uh not of the foreshore because uh the uh lowest tide part of the foreshore that's

[0:32:28] Voice 2: not covered i don't believe by marine general that's covered by uh you know that's actually

[0:32:32] Voice 2: part of the land um you know because like from the extreme point of the foreshore out a thousand

[0:32:41] Voice 2: meters is my understanding i could be wrong about that but that's my understanding what

[0:32:46] Voice 2: re general is so you know the you know i'm familiar with the point that you've made that

[0:32:50] Voice 2: there's often a sign that says there's a marine cable here but that's usually on the shore but

[0:32:55] Voice 2: my understanding is that's not the marine general zone so yeah

[0:33:00] Trustee Luckham: okay so um that's great unfortunately

[0:33:06] Trustee Luckham: you've twigged another thought here is and and indeed there needs to be some clarity here

[0:33:12] Trustee Luckham: is i always thought that the marine zoning uh extended to the high water mark typically

[0:33:21] Trustee Luckham: and that the land zoning extended from the high watermark back beyond what we call the setback from the sea,

[0:33:33] Trustee Luckham: and then normal development opportunities exist beyond that.

[0:33:40] Trustee Luckham: So that leads me to think in my notes here, I had development permit question mark,

[0:33:45] Trustee Luckham: Mark is because this cable right is it'll be laying on the bottom of the sea for some distance

[0:33:53] Trustee Luckham: until the water shallows and then they will excavate the bottom of the sea in order to

[0:33:57] Trustee Luckham: bury the cable and then indeed that needs to transition from the high water mark which it

[0:34:04] Trustee Luckham: would for sure be buried already beyond normal marine I don't know what the word is slopping of

[0:34:13] Trustee Luckham: the marine environment but obviously that needs to then be excavated and buried through the setback

[0:34:19] Trustee Luckham: to the sea and um in this particular area is there a setback to the sea and would a permit be

[0:34:25] Trustee Luckham: required for this kind of work or is that already included all right so

[0:34:30] Voice 5: that's those are the kinds

[0:34:32] Voice 5: of questions i had because i am getting comments from the mainland where they're seeing staking

[0:34:39] Voice 5: notices. And it turns out that it's City West putting in staking notices for how they're going

[0:34:45] Voice 5: to bury the cables going out to Gambier and to Keats. So it's those kind of triggers that I'm

[0:34:52] Voice 5: having questions about. Also in the map, as described by Planner McCargo, is where it's

[0:35:01] Voice 5: coming in. I had assumed it was going to be coming in at the public dock, but it looks like it's

[0:35:08] Voice 5: coming in at a park and in private property so i want to make sure those kinds of questions and

[0:35:18] Voice 5: concerns are are considered regardless of how we move ahead with the actual amendment to the zoning

[0:35:26] Voice 5: yeah

[0:35:28] Trustee Luckham: maybe i'll just add obviously the zoning is one thing and as was pointed out before that if

[0:35:33] Trustee Luckham: a development permit was required that would be a different application which the applicant would

[0:35:36] Trustee Luckham: be responsible to do prior to commencement work and of course there's time associated with that

[0:35:41] Trustee Luckham: but uh it's a real simple question is there a development permit required for work to be

[0:35:47] Trustee Luckham: undertaken in the setback courtesy uh

[0:35:52] Voice 2: obviously uh uh planner uh jamrat has her hand up um and

[0:35:59] Voice 2: i think she should weigh in on this because she's better informed about this than i am certainly but

[0:36:05] Voice 2: But when I've looked at this before, it's, I can't speak to the park issue, but all the other zones that are zoned for residential, where stakes would be going per what's happening in Gambier.

[0:36:20] Voice 2: My understanding, to a certain extent, that's already happening on Keats as well, in anticipation of this happening.

[0:36:25] Voice 2: happening and uh it's the uh the planning and the surveying for the the extension of cable

[0:36:33] Voice 2: on the island itself is proceeding because the zoning for those different residential areas

[0:36:40] Voice 2: already has permission it's a permitted use to to to put in telecommunication utilities

[0:36:47] Voice 2: infrastructure so that's the reason why we need to do this for the marine general zone which is

[0:36:54] Voice 2: is basically the last piece of the puzzle.

[0:36:56] Voice 2: Everywhere else in the island, you can do it.

[0:36:58] Voice 2: You just can't do it in that area,

[0:36:59] Voice 2: and that's the barrier to getting the cable.

[0:37:02] Voice 2: So that's why we need to do that.

[0:37:04] Voice 6: As

[0:37:04] Voice 2: to whether or not a development permit is required,

[0:37:08] Voice 2: over to Planner Gemara.

[0:37:11] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:37:15] Voice 3: Thank you, through the chair.

[0:37:17] Voice 3: I'll defer to Planner McHargur

[0:37:20] Voice 3: about the development permit requirement.

[0:37:22] Voice 3: What I did want to provide to the LTC

[0:37:26] Voice 3: see for consideration is because this conversation is contemplating one particular project the

[0:37:34] Voice 3: changes to the amendment is contemplating any sort of permitted use allowed within the changes that

[0:37:43] Voice 3: will move forward through the amendment today so making it more restrictive or specific to

[0:37:51] Voice 3: to underwater work is one consideration if we don't we couldn't perhaps contemplate

[0:37:59] Voice 3: future types of projects and uses so to remove certain words could limit it in that way and if

[0:38:07] Voice 3: that's something the LTC is favorable or okay with I wanted to share that that perspective or that

[0:38:15] Voice 3: that feedback. So just recognizing that any sort of wording changes that happen is applicable to

[0:38:25] Voice 3: any project that comes forward and would be applied, not just to this current application.

[0:38:32] Voice 2: So if I can step in here, if the concern is that the language is too permissive,

[0:38:43] Voice 2: I don't think I agree because it's actually fairly narrow

[0:38:47] Voice 2: it's talking about telecommunications utilities

[0:38:52] Voice 2: that's a specific thing

[0:38:53] Voice 2: it will capture internet cable

[0:38:55] Voice 2: it will capture telephone cable

[0:38:58] Voice 2: it will capture other telecommunications infrastructure

[0:39:02] Voice 2: but that's it

[0:39:05] Voice 2: that's all it does

[0:39:06] Voice 2: and the reason we find ourselves in this situation of urgency

[0:39:10] Voice 2: to see is because the marine general zoning was overly specifically over or overly specific and

[0:39:17] Voice 2: overly narrow in terms of not anticipating uh that there could be a need for this and you know

[0:39:23] Voice 2: it is well within the realm of possibility that sometime in the future another project will arise

[0:39:30] Voice 2: where telephone or internet cable may need to be laid in that area so it seems to me it's

[0:39:38] Voice 2: actually prudent to strike a balance here. If we had some language that basically gutted the zoning

[0:39:47] Voice 2: by saying, look, you can do anything you want on the sea bottom, well, that would be open to abuse,

[0:39:52] Voice 2: but this is actually pretty narrow. It's actually specifically saying, look, telecommunications

[0:39:56] Voice 2: infrastructure, that's fine. That makes sense. That is something that ought to be permitted here.

[0:40:02] Voice 2: So it seems to me from a policy point of view, we don't want to have it overly narrow. We actually

[0:40:07] Voice 2: but you do want to have it open so that it will cover both internet cable

[0:40:11] Voice 2: and possible future telecom, other telecommunication improvements.

[0:40:19] Voice 2: And I'm not sure, Piner, Gemrat, if I follow your,

[0:40:25] Voice 2: your other comment with respect to changes affecting future something or

[0:40:31] Voice 2: other, perhaps you clarify that. I'm not quite sure I understand it.

[0:40:34] Voice 3: Sure. Through the chair, what I meant was if striking out,

[0:40:39] Voice 3: the word and structures without contemplating further potential projects you may want to allow

[0:40:46] Voice 3: structures to continue to be allowed as permitted uses if the request for this particular application

[0:40:53] Voice 3: is hey we didn't intend to not we didn't intend to prohibit telecommunication utilities from

[0:40:59] Voice 3: happening let's add that in I think is how this this this has come up so that's being added to

[0:41:08] Voice 3: my my my comment is to strike out other words as part of the amendment may have other effects that

[0:41:17] Voice 3: we haven't impacts to future projects that we may not have the time today to contemplate or

[0:41:25] Voice 3: may have a consequence we didn't that wasn't intended for so just flagging that

[0:41:32] Voice 3: as a consideration before you make a decision on how you'd like to proceed

[0:41:38] Voice 2: Okay, thanks for clarifying that. But I don't see what the risk is, because as I mentioned before, if there had been in that shopping list of items in subsection one, the zoning, if there had been some structure itemized there, it would have been wrong and a mistake to delete the word. But the word got deleted because that section actually doesn't refer to any structures.

[0:42:06] Voice 3: We don't know.

[0:42:07] Voice 3: Through the chair, we don't know what project could come forward that may need structures as permitted uses in that zone.

[0:42:13] Voice 2: But in that case, wouldn't we have to then amend the bylaw again to create the category of a permitted structure?

[0:42:25] Voice 3: Or you can leave the words in. It's up to the LTC to consider that.

[0:42:30] Voice 2: But I'm just trying to understand the logic of this, because if we just leave the words in and structures, that's fine. It's probably harmless.

[0:42:37] Voice 2: but it's not actually referring to any structures there are none and so if we have a

[0:42:41] Voice 2: future need for

[0:42:42] Voice 2: this we would actually have to amend the bylaw again to add to the shopping list of what is a

[0:42:48] Voice 2: permitted structure so i don't know

[0:42:51] Voice 2: it's six or one half dozen of the other it's kind of circular

[0:42:54] Voice 2: here we

[0:42:55] Trustee Luckham: should just focus on the rezoning for the telecommunications edition yeah

[0:42:59] Voice 5: yeah um just look

[0:43:01] Voice 5: Can I jump in here? I'm about 25 minutes away from a dead zone on the ferry,

[0:43:09] Voice 6: so

[0:43:10] Voice 5: I'm hoping that we can move forward so that I can participate.

[0:43:17] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for that reminder that you're traveling today. I actually didn't get an answer to my question, Janet Jamerat, and certainly it may be moot, but I just want to understand the full context of where this is going to be going.

[0:43:30] Trustee Luckham: in the event that we get asked for more work will a development permit be required for excavation

[0:43:38] Trustee Luckham: and installation of a fiber optic cable in the setback from the sea i

[0:43:44] Planner McCargar: can answer that uh no it

[0:43:46] Planner McCargar: will not be required and yeah the if in the future it could be because the ltc is currently working

[0:43:53] Planner McCargar: on a shoreline dpa for keats but as of now it is not uh adopted so there is no dpa so

[0:44:02] Trustee Luckham: that's great

[0:44:05] Trustee Luckham: so it strikes me that we should we should not delete the word structures and that would require

[0:44:11] Trustee Luckham: a further motion to amend or we'll take a break on how to unamend that and then uh i don't have

[0:44:19] Trustee Luckham: have any trouble with advancing this but I do think from due diligence which is what you know

[0:44:25] Trustee Luckham: in my opinion is missing from the applicant here is that whether we ever hear back from forestries

[0:44:33] Trustee Luckham: and environment or fisheries I think it is reasonable to be sure that they are that they

[0:44:38] Trustee Luckham: know this is happening and make a referral to them and then I think we also need to make a

[0:44:42] Trustee Luckham: a referral to First Nations. And then we just proceed.

[0:44:49] Voice 2: And just for clarification,

[0:44:53] Voice 2: I assume you're not contemplating the referral would hold up voting on this today. It's simply

[0:44:58] Voice 2: doing it and then letting them know? Exactly.

[0:45:00] Voice 2: Yeah, okay, thank you.

[0:45:02] Trustee Luckham: Then that way, if something

[0:45:03] Trustee Luckham: screws up later, we've done our part. Okay,

[0:45:06] Voice 2: fair enough. But let's, we've heard where we're at with

[0:45:11] Voice 2: with Trustee Samford, you know, it might be salutary

[0:45:15] Voice 2: to just move it along here.

[0:45:16] Voice 2: And I take the points about the end structures business.

[0:45:19] Voice 2: So before we move on to me attempting to make a motion

[0:45:22] Voice 2: to get this thing passed into

[0:45:24] Voice 6: first,

[0:45:26] Voice 2: second, third reading,

[0:45:30] Voice 2: I'm prepared to make a motion to tweak the language of this.

[0:45:36] Voice 2: And I'm kind of winging it here, so bear with me.

[0:45:40] Trustee Luckham: Maybe we can get planners' advice on what would the motion

[0:45:43] Trustee Luckham: motion be to fix this little anomaly?

[0:45:45] Voice 2: Yeah, that would be helpful.

[0:45:48] Planner McCargar: I'm wondering, Renee, if I can

[0:45:50] Planner McCargar: look to you just on a process, because this bylaw is just a draft and we haven't given it first

[0:45:56] Planner McCargar: reading yet, do they need a motion to amend it?

[0:46:03] Voice 3: Through the chair, I think because what's being

[0:46:07] Voice 3: being presented is what was discussed at the last meeting for direction, a resolution would clarify

[0:46:15] Voice 3: that.

[0:46:16] Voice 2: All right. Well, if we're going to put that word structures back in, then just for an abundance

[0:46:25] Voice 2: of clarity, I would like to sort of tweak the second section as well to make clear the

[0:46:31] Voice 2: understanding. I mean, because that comment had come up before, you've heard my interpretation

[0:46:37] Voice 2: of it. But if we're going to put the word structures back in, I just want to make clear

[0:46:41] Voice 2: that it's going to include telecommunication cables. And then that way, we don't have to

[0:46:47] Voice 2: worry about any kind of ambiguity or uncertainty. So

[0:46:51] Voice 2: I'm going to move.

[0:46:52] Trustee Luckham: Can I just help you? So just move that you're going to that you want to amend the draft

[0:46:57] Trustee Luckham: bylaw number 78 to XYZ at section 4.16.

[0:47:02] Trustee Luckham: I

[0:47:02] Voice 2: think it is. I move to amend Proposed By-law 158,

[0:47:10] Trustee Luckham: I think it is.

[0:47:12] Trustee Luckham: I think it's 78 is what I see on my screen, and it's draft.

[0:47:16] Trustee Luckham: No,

[0:47:16] Voice 2: the draft is 158 to amend 78, which is the land use by-law.

[0:47:21] Trustee Luckham: Right. Thank you.

[0:47:23] Voice 2: so i know that uh draft bylaw 158 be amended by uh adding the word uh words and structures

[0:47:37] Voice 2: after the word land at uh section um oh boy hang on

[0:47:46] Trustee Luckham: 161 yeah

[0:47:48] Voice 2: yeah let's see what am i moving here

[0:47:57] Voice 2: 158 be amended

[0:47:59] Voice 2: do

[0:48:03] Voice 3: the chair may make a suggestion

[0:48:04] Voice 3: on page

[0:48:07] Voice 3: on the agenda package

[0:48:09] Voice 3: page 11

[0:48:11] Voice 3: if

[0:48:13] Voice 3: it says schedule A of

[0:48:15] Voice 3: Keats Island land use bylaw

[0:48:17] Voice 3: 2002 be amended as follows

[0:48:18] Voice 3: if you read subsection

[0:48:21] Voice 3: if you read that part

[0:48:23] Voice 3: is amended by

[0:48:24] Voice 3: and then just don't read

[0:48:27] Voice 3: deleted and structures and continue

[0:48:29] Voice 3: on. That will capture all of the proposed changes that Trustee Bernardo proposed and the LTC is

[0:48:35] Voice 3: favorable with. Yeah,

[0:48:37] Trustee Luckham: that's a good idea. But Trustee Bernardo wants to modify the last.

[0:48:41] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, right.

[0:48:42] Trustee Luckham: And include that modified.

[0:48:44] Voice 2: Yeah, I'm flailing around here trying to figure out

[0:48:46] Voice 2: how to word the resolution to change this bit of it. So let's see if I can do this on the fly here.

[0:48:52] Voice 2: here. I move that bylaw number 158 be amended.

[0:49:05] Trustee Luckham: Schedule A of Keats Island Land Use Bylaw. It's

[0:49:08] Trustee Luckham: on page 11. Just read that exactly as it is.

[0:49:14] Voice 2: I'm not following. I'm sorry. What do you mean by that?

[0:49:17] Trustee Luckham: On page 11 is a

[0:49:19] Trustee Luckham: motion that essentially the motion from previously says Schedule A of Keats

[0:49:26] Trustee Luckham: on land use bylaw 2002 is amended okay

[0:49:29] Voice 2: yeah okay yeah fair enough fair enough okay i moved the

[0:49:33] Voice 2: bylaw number 158 uh uh um or sorry i moved that schedule one of bylaw of draft bylaw number uh 158

[0:49:47] Voice 2: be uh amended uh to read as follows schedule a of key time and land use bylaw 2002 is amended

[0:49:59] Voice 2: as follows part four zone regulation section four one six four point one six

[0:50:04] Voice 2: marine general zone subsection four point one six point one is amended by

[0:50:16] Voice 2: deleting and hang on

[0:50:20] Trustee Luckham: no you want to skip that just go to buy in yes

[0:50:24] Voice 2: that's right

[0:50:27] Voice 2: I'm really sorry to be clumsy about this is amended by inserting and after

[0:50:34] Voice 2: navigational uses in the second bullet and by inserting a third bullet the establishment and

[0:50:41] Voice 2: use of telecommunications utilities and subsection 4.16.1 is amended by bear with me here uh

[0:50:57] Voice 2: uh where's the other language here um the addition of the words uh telecom telecommunications

[0:51:16] Voice 2: utilities after navigational aid oh this is really terrible i mean the way i'm reading it out what

[0:51:29] Voice 2: i'm trying to get out here is the idea that it'll read no permanent building or structure of any

[0:51:34] Voice 2: any kind other than navigational aids or telecommunication utilities may be erected or

[0:51:42] Voice 2: constructed or placed. That's what I'm trying to get at here.

[0:51:49] Trustee Luckham: So you're essentially just replacing

[0:51:52] Trustee Luckham: the wording quotes on the fourth line there and saying exactly what?

[0:51:59] Voice 2: Well, yeah, that's a good

[0:52:00] Voice 2: question. I mean, what I'm trying to say here is like, you know, I'm stumbling around trying to

[0:52:04] Voice 2: get the wording of the resolution right but what i'm you know and anybody's willing to help here

[0:52:09] Voice 2: i gratefully accept it but what i'm trying to get to is yes we'll delete the words or sorry we'll

[0:52:16] Voice 2: bring the words and structures back uh and then the rest of it stays the way it is and then on

[0:52:25] Voice 2: the second at point two uh adding telecommunication utilities to that um be a lot easier if i could

[0:52:35] Voice 2: just sort of read out a whole new version of what's supposed to happen but um whoever's writing

[0:52:42] Voice 2: this down uh have they had any luck in coming up with this language that i'm suggesting through the

[0:52:48] Voice 2: chair

[0:52:48] Voice 3: i believe marlis is um typing out the words as um as you've explained trustee bernardo so that

[0:52:58] Voice 3: that's that will be

[0:52:59] Trustee Luckham: how it appears i'm sorry kate louise if we're delaying you so let's just pause

[0:53:04] Trustee Luckham: for a moment to get that wording and then get that up on the screen because it's reasonably complex

[0:53:09] Trustee Luckham: and be sure that we're or just read it out marlis to be sure that we've got it right

[0:53:14] Planner McCargar: i've got to

[0:53:16] Planner McCargar: share screen up right now i'm not sure if you can see it and or if i've captured it correctly

[0:53:21] Planner McCargar: well

[0:53:28] Voice 5: can some does somebody mind reading it out i'm i'm fairly comfortable with the first part

[0:53:33] Voice 5: we're keeping and structures in and then just what that second bullet says so

[0:53:38] Trustee Luckham: i'll read that

[0:53:38] Trustee Luckham: then it says part four this is the amendment part four zone regulation section 4.16 marine general

[0:53:46] Trustee Luckham: mg zone subsection 4.16.1 by inserting and structures after are permitted and by inserting

[0:53:56] Trustee Luckham: a third bullet to subsection 4.16.2 is amended by the addition of words telecommunication utilities

[0:54:05] Trustee Luckham: utilities after navigation aids.

[0:54:09] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you.

[0:54:10] Voice 5: Is that your

[0:54:10] Trustee Luckham: intention, Joe?

[0:54:15] Voice 2: I think so.

[0:54:16] Voice 2: I'm just trying to figure out how that's going to read.

[0:54:18] Voice 2: Let's see.

[0:54:20] Voice 2: But it's reading instructions before are permitted.

[0:54:34] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[0:54:35] Trustee Luckham: So that's just putting it back to the original wording.

[0:54:37] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:54:39] Trustee Luckham: No,

[0:54:39] Voice 2: I don't think the wording here quite works.

[0:54:42] Voice 2: That's my fault because I've just been fumbling around here.

[0:54:45] Voice 2: I've been babbling about this.

[0:54:49] Trustee Luckham: You know, this may seem a little casual, but I would go with this wording because if the grammar is not correct, that can be amended prior to adoption because it's not changing the intent.

[0:55:09] Trustee Luckham: Correct me if I'm wrong, Planner Gemara.

[0:55:11] Trustee Luckham: This is close enough for what we're trying to do and get this done.

[0:55:16] Voice 2: well you know my my preference would be at the wording right i'm gonna i've got a question

[0:55:21] Voice 2: to trustee stamford i know you're going to go into a bit of a shadow uh i'm just wondering

[0:55:26] Voice 2: if you're going to be able to get back to us because i'm thinking it might be just better

[0:55:30] Voice 2: if we take a brief break and i try to come up with the wording and send it to planner mccarver

[0:55:36] Voice 2: just to make it as clear as possible and then we could connect with you again um afterwards in a

[0:55:43] Voice 2: a half hour or so um

[0:55:45] Voice 5: yeah i mean i i hope so um i it's just going past boeing i'd always

[0:55:50] Voice 5: it always disconnect so um that's the only concern i had and whether or not you know it

[0:55:57] Voice 5: the whole intent of this special meeting was to decide whether or not to pass um first second

[0:56:04] Voice 5: and third readings so that's the part i was hoping to get at right to be part of how

[0:56:11] Trustee Luckham: about we just

[0:56:11] Trustee Luckham: We've been at this for an hour.

[0:56:13] Trustee Luckham: Let's just pause.

[0:56:14] Trustee Luckham: We'll keep the Zoom session going for 15 minutes.

[0:56:17] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Bernardo, get it to Planner McCargo.

[0:56:22] Trustee Luckham: We'll get it up on the screen.

[0:56:23] Trustee Luckham: We'll come back at 11.15.

[0:56:26] Trustee Luckham: And everybody stay online.

[0:56:27] Trustee Luckham: But Kate Louise, you might want to just hang up and dial back in.

[0:56:31] Trustee Luckham: And then we'll pick it up.

[0:56:32] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[0:56:32] Voice 5: as soon as I get into Horseshoe Bay, I'll be able to.

[0:56:37] Voice 5: And so I'm just passing seats now.

[0:56:41] Trustee Luckham: 15 minutes is adequate.

[0:56:43] Voice 5: I think 20.

[0:56:44] Voice 5: It'll be 20.

[0:56:46] Trustee Luckham: So we'll make it 1120. Okay.

[0:56:49] Trustee Luckham: All right. Thank you, everybody.

[0:56:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:56:51] Voice 5: Bye.

[0:56:53] Trustee Luckham: Thanks.

[1:16:12] Voice 6: is

[1:16:12] Voice 5: anybody there yep i'm here hi hi yeah

[1:16:24] Voice 2: i'm here too great

[1:16:26] Voice 5: and

[1:16:30] Voice 2: i've just fired off

[1:16:31] Voice 5: now i now i have about 20 minutes before my appointment

[1:16:38] Voice 5: i i

[1:16:39] Voice 2: fired off the language to marla so um super i think it should work

[1:18:00] Voice 2: uh marla's uh the uh peter turned off my video so i'm just gonna have to hear my ghostly voice here

[1:18:07] Voice 2: the um i assume you got the email i just sent you

[1:18:11] Planner McCargar: yes i was just having a look at it

[1:18:13] Voice 2: okay

[1:18:15] Voice 2: i

[1:18:16] Planner McCargar: just tried to turn on oh there you go there

[1:18:18] Voice 2: we go i think for the benefit of the committee

[1:18:28] Voice 2: it'd be helpful if they also got the track changes version of that up

[1:18:33] Planner McCargar: yeah i'll um just

[1:18:35] Planner McCargar: make sure that it corresponds with your motion and then i will pop it on share screen i think

[1:18:42] Voice 2: there's one difference in that i i changed it to read um in 4.1 6.2 instead of saying a navigational

[1:18:52] Voice 2: aid it now reads navigational aids pearl so there's that little change there so everything

[1:19:07] Voice 2: in the track changes thing you gave me before works uh it's just that the second one at point

[1:19:14] Voice 2: to it should say other than navigational aids and telecommunication tools so the track changes will

[1:19:22] Voice 2: work if you delete the a and add an s to aids and that will track what i'm doing with the other

[1:19:28] Voice 2: thing

[1:19:28] Planner McCargar: i just popped it up there do you want to just have a quick look and confirm let's see

[1:19:34] Voice 2: what we're looking at here yep it looks like it does it okay so

[1:19:56] Voice 6: can

[1:19:59] Trustee Luckham: you read that out for the

[1:20:00] Trustee Luckham: public record uh trustee bernardo so

[1:20:04] Voice 2: we are now um back in session we're reconvened yeah yes

[1:20:08] Voice 2: i will

[1:20:10] Planner McCargar: share the motion on the screen yes

[1:20:13] Voice 2: please and

[1:20:16] Planner McCargar: kate you're there yes

[1:20:19] Voice 5: i'm there thanks peter all right

[1:20:22] Voice 2: i'll just read it out and then uh plan ricardo perhaps after that can actually then project up

[1:20:28] Voice 2: on the screen what the actual language in the land use bylaw will look like with those amendments

[1:20:34] Voice 2: just so you have understand it yeah i moved it i moved the draft bylaw 158 sorry i moved that

[1:20:41] Voice 2: draft bylaw number 158 be amended to read as follows schedule one schedule a of keats island

[1:20:49] Voice 2: languages bylaw 2002 is amended as follows part four zone regulations section 4.16 marine general

[1:20:58] Voice 2: general zone, subsection 4.16.1, is amended by deleting the word and after the word interpretation

[1:21:06] Voice 2: in the first bullet, by inserting the word and after the words navigational uses in the second

[1:21:12] Voice 2: bullet, and by inserting a third bullet followed by the words the establishment in use of

[1:21:19] Voice 2: telecommunication utilities. And subsection 4.16.2 is amended by deleting the words

[1:21:27] Voice 2: a navigational aid and replacing them with the words

[1:21:31] Voice 2: navigational aids or telecommunication utilities.

[1:21:39] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that's moved.

[1:21:40] Voice 2: I second that.

[1:21:42] Trustee Luckham: Seconded, maybe we'll get the red line version

[1:21:44] Trustee Luckham: up on the screen just in case for the public's benefit.

[1:21:47] Trustee Luckham: And so that's moved and seconded.

[1:21:50] Trustee Luckham: Any further discussion, Trustee Bernardo or Kate Louise?

[1:21:54] Voice 2: No, I think we've done that.

[1:21:55] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, then I'll-

[1:21:58] Voice 5: I'm good.

[1:21:59] Trustee Luckham: I'll call the vote then.

[1:22:00] Trustee Luckham: all those in favor just say aye or raise your hand electronically. Aye.

[1:22:05] Voice 2: Aye. All

[1:22:06] Trustee Luckham: right that carries

[1:22:06] Trustee Luckham: unanimously excellent well good work.

[1:22:09] Voice 2: Well the next stage now I think is to make the motion to

[1:22:14] Voice 2: have this passed first second and third reading.

[1:22:18] Trustee Luckham: Well let's just have a look at the recommendations

[1:22:20] Trustee Luckham: here if we follow that sequence certainly I'm not objecting to that but we do need to consider

[1:22:27] Trustee Luckham: consider making it a priority as recommended here. I'm assuming at this point, I'm just going to go

[1:22:35] Trustee Luckham: through this quickly just to make sure we're following some process. At this point, a project

[1:22:40] Trustee Luckham: charter doesn't necessarily seem relevant. Marlis?

[1:22:47] Planner McCargar: Yeah, the project charter would just sort of

[1:22:50] Planner McCargar: control the scope and make sure that expectations are laid out. But I don't know that if it's moving

[1:22:55] Planner McCargar: ahead in such a fast way we would get a project charter back to you in a way that would be useful

[1:23:00] Planner McCargar: anyways okay

[1:23:01] Trustee Luckham: so i'm going to say we could forego that now comprehensive planning analysis

[1:23:10] Trustee Luckham: certainly that's a reasonable maybe it's not comprehensive but a planning analysis

[1:23:16] Trustee Luckham: prior to us finally adopting it might be reasonable but obviously after we get the

[1:23:22] Trustee Luckham: third reading we're not likely to change it without further complications but anyway um

[1:23:32] Trustee Luckham: yeah so you know i guess a number of these items at the pace that we're going um doesn't

[1:23:39] Trustee Luckham: necessarily two three four don't necessarily seem relevant uh given the need to proceed

[1:23:47] Trustee Luckham: um but we obviously the ltc needs to obviously uh assert that that the bylaw is

[1:23:59] Trustee Luckham: not in conflict with the ocp i'm not sure about the directives only checklist because we're not

[1:24:04] Trustee Luckham: amending the ocp uh planet mccarver or renee i

[1:24:10] Planner McCargar: think renee has stepped off but um the directive

[1:24:14] Planner McCargar: only checklist is typically done i believe even with a land use bylaw amendment just to make sure

[1:24:21] Planner McCargar: that it's not contrary or at variance to the policy statement and that's usually sent with

[1:24:29] Planner McCargar: the referral package to the executive committee.

[1:24:32] Trustee Luckham: Right. And so you want, so therefore there is a motion necessary that the Gambria Island

[1:24:36] Trustee Luckham: Local Trust Committee does not believe that the

[1:24:40] Trustee Luckham: bylaw amendment is in conflict of the

[1:24:44] Trustee Luckham: director's only checklist.

[1:24:46] Planner McCargar: Yeah, the checklist hasn't been done, but

[1:24:50] Planner McCargar: if the LTC wishes to

[1:24:52] Planner McCargar: pass the motion that they don't believe that it is and contrary to, then they could do that at

[1:24:57] Planner McCargar: this time i

[1:24:58] Voice 2: mean is that strictly necessary i mean do we actually have to make the explicit

[1:25:02] Voice 2: separate motion to say it's not necessary if i would think that's just given if we pass

[1:25:10] Voice 2: the motion like or we just do to go through the readings well

[1:25:13] Trustee Luckham: it's an acknowledgement right

[1:25:16] Trustee Luckham: there's a responsibility there and so just uh okay fine

[1:25:19] Trustee Luckham: let's just do it because that's how we do it

[1:25:22] Trustee Luckham: um and we haven't had any discussion on what occasions it might not be relevant but it's a

[1:25:27] Trustee Luckham: due diligence thing and then i think then there's a conversation that we need to have at the item

[1:25:33] Trustee Luckham: number five there um and so

[1:25:35] Voice 2: why don't we just deal with these one at a time sure if peter if you

[1:25:39] Voice 2: think we should have a motion uh so

[1:25:43] Trustee Luckham: how about i'm

[1:25:44] Voice 2: actually not quite following it but maybe you

[1:25:45] Voice 2: could make that motion we could just get over that bump so

[1:25:49] Trustee Luckham: i'll i'll look after these and then

[1:25:51] Trustee Luckham: we can get into five, I think. So I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[1:25:55] Trustee Luckham: add Keats Island Marine General Zone Amendment to the minor projects list

[1:26:00] Trustee Luckham: and make it a first priority and pause the current minor project.

[1:26:03] Trustee Luckham: So I move that. Is there a seconder?

[1:26:06] Voice 5: I second. Yes, there is.

[1:26:08] Trustee Luckham: So I'm not going to speak to it. It seems obvious. Is there any discussion?

[1:26:12] Voice 2: No. No.

[1:26:14] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor, please raise your hand

[1:26:16] Trustee Luckham: or say aye. Aye.

[1:26:18] Trustee Luckham: Aye. Okay, that carries

[1:26:20] Trustee Luckham: unanimously. You're with us Diane, I hope. I'm going to skip that one, skip that one. So I'm

[1:26:27] Trustee Luckham: going to move that the Gambria Island Local Trust Committee confirm that the bylaw number 158

[1:26:37] Trustee Luckham: side of the Keats Island land use bylaw number 2002 amendment number 1223 is not contrary to

[1:26:46] Trustee Luckham: to our variance through the onslaught policy statement.

[1:26:49] Trustee Luckham: Did you get that, Diane?

[1:26:50] Trustee Luckham: I kind of ad libbed that.

[1:26:52] Voice 5: I think so, thank you.

[1:26:54] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so do I have a seconder?

[1:26:56] Voice 2: I second.

[1:26:58] Trustee Luckham: And is there any discussion?

[1:27:01] Trustee Luckham: No. All

[1:27:01] Trustee Luckham: those in favor?

[1:27:03] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[1:27:04] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[1:27:05] Trustee Luckham: All right, so this brings us to five, which is referrals.

[1:27:09] Trustee Luckham: And I have indicated that I think we do need

[1:27:12] Trustee Luckham: to do the First Nations.

[1:27:13] Trustee Luckham: And I do think that out of due diligence

[1:27:15] Trustee Luckham: to be sure that we've done our part that this be referred to the Sunshine Coast Ministry of Forest

[1:27:22] Trustee Luckham: and so essentially that whole section there and that would keep us safe all

[1:27:28] Voice 2: right so then I'll

[1:27:30] Trustee Luckham: move the Gambrel and Local Trust Committee draft file number 158 for comment First Nations

[1:27:38] Trustee Luckham: Squamish Nation, Sonoma First Nation, Lackson First Nation, Cowichan Tribe, Penelope Tribe,

[1:27:43] Trustee Luckham: I have Lake Cowichan First Nation, Chimayness First Nation, Halal First Nation,

[1:27:48] Trustee Luckham: Tsleil-Waututh Nation, and Musqueam Nation, and the local governments and agencies,

[1:27:53] Trustee Luckham: Sunshine Coast Regional District, Islands Trust Conservancy, Ministry of Forests,

[1:27:57] Trustee Luckham: Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure and Fisheries, and Oceans Canada.

[1:28:01] Trustee Luckham: Do you have a seconder?

[1:28:03] Voice 2: I second.

[1:28:04] Voice 2: Perfect.

[1:28:04] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Joe.

[1:28:05] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[1:28:08] Trustee Luckham: No.

[1:28:08] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[1:28:10] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[1:28:11] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[1:28:12] Trustee Luckham: Great. So let's do some readings there.

[1:28:14] Trustee Luckham: Joe, I'll let you do that.

[1:28:16] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:28:17] Trustee Luckham: You have

[1:28:17] Voice 2: to do it one at a time.

[1:28:18] Voice 2: How do I do that?

[1:28:22] Trustee Luckham: I moved it.

[1:28:23] Trustee Luckham: So just essentially, I moved the bylaw number 158 be given first reading.

[1:28:30] Planner McCargar: It's up on the screen here.

[1:28:31] Planner McCargar: I have the alternative recommendations, so you can read through

[1:28:35] Trustee Luckham: the list there.

[1:28:35] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:28:39] Voice 2: So do we do each of these in turn?

[1:28:42] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[1:28:43] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:28:43] Voice 2: Okay. I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[1:28:47] Voice 2: bylaw number 158 cited as

[1:28:49] Voice 2: Kate's Island Land Use Bylaw 2002 Amendment

[1:28:52] Voice 2: number 1, 2023

[1:28:55] Voice 2: be read a first time.

[1:28:57] Trustee Luckham: Is that a seconder?

[1:28:59] Voice 5: Yes, second.

[1:29:01] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Kate. Any discussion?

[1:29:05] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor? Aye.

[1:29:08] Trustee Luckham: Perfect. Thank you. The next one, Joe.

[1:29:11] Voice 2: I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[1:29:14] Voice 2: bylaw number 158 cited as Keats Island land use bylaw 2002 amendment number one

[1:29:20] Voice 2: 2023 be read a second time. I second.

[1:29:27] Trustee Luckham: Seconded by Kate Lewis-Stanford. Thank you. Any

[1:29:29] Trustee Luckham: discussion? All those in favor?

[1:29:32] Voice 2: Aye. Aye.

[1:29:34] Trustee Luckham: So that carries.

[1:29:36] Voice 2: I move that the

[1:29:38] Voice 2: Canberra Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 158 cited as Keats Island

[1:29:41] Voice 2: and land use bylaw 2002 amendment number one 2023 be read a third time

[1:29:48] Trustee Luckham: moved by second

[1:29:49] Trustee Luckham: seconded

[1:29:51] Trustee Luckham: all any discussion all those in favor all right all right

[1:29:56] Trustee Luckham: all right thank you and the

[1:30:00] Voice 2: I move that the Gambria Island Trust Committee Bylaw No. 158, cited as Keyside and Land Use Bylaw 2002, Amendment No. 1, 2023, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee.

[1:30:14] Trustee Luckham: Moved. Seconded.

[1:30:17] Voice 5: Seconded.

[1:30:17] Trustee Luckham: Excellent. Thank you. Any discussion? All those in favor?

[1:30:23] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[1:30:23] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[1:30:24] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you very much. That carries. So I think that concludes it. I just want to acknowledge here, as we're reminded by public comment in public comment period is that, indeed, this technological technological advancement that has land use and environmental impacts does have an impact, and is further advancing colonial interests.

[1:30:47] Trustee Luckham: interests and that's why I wanted to have this sent to First Nations to have their input and

[1:30:54] Trustee Luckham: any concerns that they might have about that particular location with respect to historical

[1:31:01] Trustee Luckham: or traditional uses. So we'll see how that goes. So thank you very much.

[1:31:07] Voice 2: Thanks Peter,

[1:31:08] Voice 5: I agree with that.

[1:31:09] Voice 2: And if I may, I would just like to thank everybody for their

[1:31:12] Voice 2: flexibility and adaptability in this urgent situation and I want to be clear about something

[1:31:18] Voice 2: that I acknowledge that this is not the optimal way to proceed. The usual procedure that was

[1:31:24] Voice 2: outlined by staff is the preferable procedure to follow in most circumstances unless there's

[1:31:30] Voice 2: some extraordinary reason not to do so. It's just that this appears to be one of those situations

[1:31:36] Voice 2: where we have to arouse ourselves from our usual practices just because of the circumstances we

[1:31:44] Voice 2: we face. The risk is just too great of losing that broadband for Keats Island, which is why

[1:31:50] Voice 2: we've had to operate with such urgency. But in the normal course, yeah, we should follow the usual

[1:31:54] Voice 2: practice in normal course. This should not be viewed as a precedent that will make things more

[1:32:01] Voice 2: efficient in the future on any old bylaw. It's only in extreme circumstances that this kind of

[1:32:08] Voice 2: acceleration, I think, is warranted. Just wanted to get that on the record. Thank you.

[1:32:12] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, Joe.

[1:32:13] Trustee Luckham: Really appreciate that.

[1:32:14] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Joe.

[1:32:15] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, it is a special circumstance and we definitely don't want to do this all the time.

[1:32:20] Trustee Luckham: So I'll just ask staff, have we covered all the bases here to get this advanced to the

[1:32:25] Trustee Luckham: next step, which would be you'll be sending it off?

[1:32:28] Planner McCargar: Yeah, I think so.

[1:32:29] Planner McCargar: I guess I just do have one clarification regarding the referrals.

[1:32:33] Planner McCargar: since this is out of our normal uh process is this more of an fyi or a referral in a shortened

[1:32:42] Planner McCargar: because you've already given third reading so we we can make changes until adoption but um i guess

[1:32:50] Planner McCargar: that it's just such a tight window i'm wondering about the optics kind of of sending this out

[1:32:54] Trustee Luckham: well i guess you know thank you i was considering that we might you know i don't want to be

[1:33:00] Trustee Luckham: disrespectful right but we might want to indicate that there's some urgency associated with the

[1:33:05] Trustee Luckham: deployment of the fiber cable beyond our control in a cover letter um but that we respect uh the

[1:33:13] Trustee Luckham: nations and ministries uh do necessary due diligence in order to assist us with this

[1:33:19] Trustee Luckham: but um that's i think and and and maybe i reckon i think we don't normally do 90 days but

[1:33:28] Trustee Luckham: but I think there's only a requirement for 30 days.

[1:33:31] Trustee Luckham: And so I would, if you like,

[1:33:35] Trustee Luckham: I can review a cover letter that goes out,

[1:33:38] Trustee Luckham: but if the LTC is okay with that,

[1:33:40] Trustee Luckham: I would say that we want to indicate

[1:33:42] Trustee Luckham: that this is only being done

[1:33:43] Trustee Luckham: because of the urgency that has been communicated to us.

[1:33:48] Trustee Luckham: But we do respect any feedback.

[1:33:51] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, I think as you've indicated,

[1:33:53] Trustee Luckham: it's interesting because we've waived public hearings.

[1:33:55] Trustee Luckham: So it's not like if we receive information that makes us want to amend the bylaw that we'd have to go back to public hearing, we would maybe have to waive public hearing a second time, but we can make amendments before final adoption.

[1:34:11] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, so I think we're relatively safe, but I think a cover letter would be appropriate that indicates the special circumstances of this particular referral.

[1:34:19] Trustee Luckham: Is that okay with the trustees?

[1:34:21] Voice 2: Makes sense to me.

[1:34:23] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[1:34:24] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, that's fine.

[1:34:25] Voice 2: Does

[1:34:26] Trustee Luckham: that fill that gap, Planner McCarver?

[1:34:28] Voice 2: Yeah, I think so.

[1:34:29] Trustee Luckham: So is there any further business today?

[1:34:31] Trustee Luckham: And I'm looking to trustees and staff.

[1:34:34] Voice 2: Nothing from me, thank you.

[1:34:35] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then let's call the meeting adjourned.

[1:34:39] Trustee Luckham: And I don't know when the next meeting is going to be,

[1:34:42] Trustee Luckham: but it'll be probably in March.

[1:34:45] Trustee Luckham: It's

[1:34:45] Planner McCargar: actually January 29th.

[1:34:47] Trustee Luckham: Oh, there we go, January 29th, thank you.

[1:34:50] Voice 2: Regular business.

[1:34:51] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, regular business.

[1:34:52] Trustee Luckham: Okay, back to OCDM.

[1:34:54] Trustee Luckham: then this is okay super well everybody a pleasure to work with you i'm glad we were able to advance

[1:35:00] Trustee Luckham: this um and appreciate all the work that's been done by staff particularly because um we are

[1:35:06] Trustee Luckham: pushing them outside of their envelope so thank you for working with us all

[1:35:10] Voice 2: right everybody great

[1:35:11] Trustee Luckham: day everybody thanks bye