Galiano Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, April 9, 2024

[0:00:03] Voice 2: All right. Well, good afternoon, everyone. I want to call this a regular meeting of the Galeano Island Trust Committee together.

[0:00:13] Voice 2: Please be aware that we're streaming, live streaming and recording this meeting.

[0:00:18] Voice 4: The meeting should be posted on the Island Trust website in around a week.

[0:00:24] Voice 4: I

[0:00:25] Voice 2: want to acknowledge today that we're gathering here on the traditional territories of many Kodosh Salish peoples and specifically the Penelakut Nation.

[0:00:35] Voice 2: part of my personal sort of journey of reconciliation islands trust is working

[0:00:43] Voice 2: with a group called culturally committed to offer trustees and staff some insights into

[0:00:51] Voice 2: concepts such as cultural safety and various in indigenous knowledge

[0:00:58] Voice 2: knowledge we have some great mentors from nearby and across the nation that's been a really really

[0:01:06] Voice 2: positive thing I look forward to to continuing that throughout this year I'm Jim Peterson I'm

[0:01:14] Voice 2: elected on the Skidi Island I am the chair of the Galeano Island Local Trust Committee and with me

[0:01:20] Voice 2: our trustees Ben Maverly,

[0:01:22] Voice 4: Lisa Cabrera and our planner Kim Stockdale is here with us

[0:01:28] Voice 4: and we have some staff our meeting administrators Lisa Millard I believe today

[0:01:34] Voice 4: and I'm not sure if we have other staff

[0:01:37] Voice 2: zooming in but great that we have the option of having

[0:01:43] Voice 2: these essentially hybrid type meetings in this space so that's great um meetings an official

[0:01:53] Voice 2: forum for the local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and

[0:01:58] Voice 2: to discuss relevant business um it's also a place of employment and this will remind everyone our

[0:02:03] Voice 2: staff have a right to a safe and respectful workplace there

[0:02:07] Voice 4: is a town hall um section

[0:02:11] Voice 4: questions coming up, which is an opportunity for the public to speak. And when we get to

[0:02:16] Voice 4: that spot, I'll mention

[0:02:18] Voice 2: a little bit more

[0:02:19] Voice 4: about that. But to start with, we have an

[0:02:22] Voice 4: agenda before us today, and I want to see if there's any amendments to today's agenda

[0:02:29] Voice 4: from either of the trustees. No? Okay, I'll take it by general consent that the agenda

[0:02:34] Voice 4: will be adopted as presented then. And we'll

[0:02:41] Voice 3: go to trustee reports.

[0:03:17] Voice 4: one in person i

[0:03:18] Voice 3: was just the service cd at our office and

[0:03:23] Voice 4: i attended a lot of jobs

[0:03:24] Voice 4: i found our town hall meetings very productive overall definitely considering the extent of

[0:03:34] Voice 4: verified discussions and i found great value in the

[0:03:37] Voice 3: gift of that media and i think it's

[0:04:03] Voice 4: Thank you for supporting the needs and the priorities of our community within the animals

[0:04:15] Voice 4: frustrating we are unique not every island has moving forward i will utilize the space

[0:04:24] Voice 4: as an opportunity to collaborate we plan to go to meeting meetings where the community can come out

[0:04:31] Voice 4: of the chat and learn

[0:04:32] Voice 4: about why we do what we do and why that's the perspective it will be

[0:04:38] Voice 4: informal meeting utilizing existing information already and will help me gain community input

[0:04:47] Voice 4: So I'm looking for suggestions of topics.

[0:04:52] Voice 4: Do you want to read through the Housing Options Toolkit that the Regional Planning Committee put together?

[0:04:57] Voice 4: Or do you want to learn where protected areas are?

[0:05:00] Voice 4: Let me know. It'll

[0:05:03] Voice 4: be fun and informative.

[0:05:05] Voice 4: I believe with a little enthusiasm, that office space can be a vibrant, positive hub of activity for everyone in the community.

[0:05:14] Voice 4: Let's rock that office space.

[0:05:17] Voice 4: Lastly, I'd like to mention the passing of the Honourable Ayanna Capagnolo on April 4th.

[0:05:28] Voice 4: Born in 1932 on Galliano, her family lived at Murchison's College.

[0:05:34] Voice 4: Capagnolo began his political career in 1966 as an Alderman and City Councilor in Prince River.

[0:05:42] Voice 4: Capagnolo's dedication to serving British Columbians never wavered.

[0:05:46] Voice 4: In 1992, she was elected Chancellor of University of British Columbia, and in 2001, she was

[0:05:56] Voice 4: appointed the 27th Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia.

[0:06:00] Voice 4: As the first woman to hold this position, she tirelessly advocated for a very important

[0:06:06] Voice 4: thing, which is climate action, gender equality, and reconciliation.

[0:06:12] Voice 4: The reality of the piece of service that we all have seen and remember its awards on the

[0:06:16] Voice 4: faculties, including an honorary degrees, indigenous honor, and the Order of British

[0:06:23] Voice 4: Columbia.

[0:06:24] Voice 4: Her exceptional career is further recognized when she was named a member and later an officer

[0:06:30] Voice 4: of the Order of Canada.

[0:06:32] Voice 4: These honors reflect a remarkable impact on her lifelong commitment to public service.

[0:06:39] Voice 4: The photo on her we can peek at in each.

[0:06:42] Voice 4: she is seen at her luncheons i think we have a community

[0:06:45] Voice 4: thank you lisa um yeah um two things we wanted to cover today i brought some

[0:06:57] Voice 4: pamphlets today for the uh secondary suite incentive program that's a provincial program

[0:07:03] Voice 4: that uh allows for a forty thousand dollar forgivable loan for anybody

[0:07:07] Voice 4: who's living in their primary residence that wants to put in the secondary suite

[0:07:10] Voice 4: week. It's a good start in a housing program, I guess. There was a bit of a fight to get

[0:07:18] Voice 4: this brought into the rural communities, but it's here, so there's pamphlets available

[0:07:24] Voice 4: here for anybody who's interested. I wish it had been expanded a bit more to include

[0:07:29] Voice 4: not just primary homeowners, but it's a start anyways.

[0:07:37] Voice 4: Secondly, we've had a lot of correspondence about parking down at Montague.

[0:07:43] Voice 4: So I took the opportunity to meet with Francois Laurent, who's the Highways fellow for this

[0:07:50] Voice 4: area, and we went

[0:07:52] Voice 4: down to the site.

[0:07:55] Voice 4: I think Highways realized that maybe just posting no parking signs all over the place

[0:08:00] Voice 4: was a little bit heavy-handed and they've agreed to open up two stretches

[0:08:10] Voice 4: of Montague. So from the Montague Harbour Road, if you go up on the left-hand side

[0:08:16] Voice 4: up to the big alder tree or arbutus tree, they're going to rehabilitate that. Now

[0:08:22] Voice 4: the thing is, once they've closed it, you suddenly, when you want to open something

[0:08:27] Voice 4: something again, you've got to get geotech and you've got to get the engineers involved.

[0:08:30] Voice 4: So it'll be a bit of a process, but that stretch will be opened up for parallel parking. And

[0:08:35] Voice 4: then also on the sort of left-hand side leaving Montague, there's a stretch of the road that

[0:08:43] Voice 4: has a very shallow ditch, goes for quite a ways. And they're going to rehabilitate that

[0:08:49] Voice 4: as well for more parallel parking down there. It's not going to be enough. There's no question

[0:08:55] Voice 4: about that i think the last count down there just in landowners and that was about 135 people

[0:09:01] Voice 4: access their lands through montague and that doesn't include people live on boats and people

[0:09:07] Voice 4: who want to get marina and all those people go to the restaurants and things like that so

[0:09:12] Voice 4: i expect it to be a calm show

[0:09:13] Voice 6: um

[0:09:14] Voice 4: but they're aware at least they're aware that of some of

[0:09:19] Voice 4: the problems we had a good discussion and they're aware that you know just closing home parking

[0:09:27] Voice 4: and probably isn't going to be the greatest or the best path forward.

[0:09:31] Voice 4: And so hopefully we'll see them back off on enforcement for a while

[0:09:36] Voice 4: until alternatives are there.

[0:09:39] Voice 4: I mean, to me, you can't just say no without an alternative, right?

[0:09:44] Voice 4: But there is a genuine concern about the ability of the ambulance

[0:09:48] Voice 4: to get to the dock, and that became a problem last winter

[0:09:52] Voice 4: when they were unable to plow to the dock

[0:09:55] Voice 4: and the ambulance could not get to the dock with the patient.

[0:10:00] Voice 4: So that's just not going to fly.

[0:10:03] Voice 4: Regardless how inconvenient it is maybe to walk a little bit further for parking,

[0:10:08] Voice 4: it's really inconvenient if you can't get to the hospital when you're in an ambulance.

[0:10:13] Voice 4: So hopefully we're working on that.

[0:10:15] Voice 4: And we look forward to making more progress.

[0:10:18] Voice 4: and i know tim has got something later on working with uh with uh highways as well

[0:10:26] Voice 4: and so lastly i i'm going to acknowledge a couple of people this week one probably that not many of

[0:10:34] Voice 4: you know but bill camp bill campbell was in this community since 1952-ish 52 and the reason bill's

[0:10:45] Voice 4: significant because without bill camp you don't have a conservancy property and uh and so bill a

[0:10:53] Voice 4: long time out there a long time back and forth even when he had left the island uh a very active

[0:11:00] Voice 4: member of the rodney um like that you know when they were selling that property there was other

[0:11:09] Voice 4: people interested in that property and they wanted it to remain in a in a state that was

[0:11:16] Voice 4: was more natural. I think, you know, they picked the Conservancy because it sort of

[0:11:21] Voice 4: aligned with what they wanted to see the property to be. So, you know, good for Bill. Bill and

[0:11:28] Voice 4: Ben is great. And the second is Joanne McKay, you know, dear friend. And it was really heartwarming

[0:11:37] Voice 4: to see the turnout for Joanne at the Lions Hall. Joanne struggled for a long, long time

[0:11:47] Voice 4: and we all know people who struggle right but it just showed the um you know that turnout to

[0:11:56] Voice 4: me showed you know regardless of her struggles joanne was a beautiful person right so i just

[0:12:06] Voice 4: wanted to highlight her because you know we know we all know people who struggle all the time and

[0:12:12] Voice 4: uh it was great to see the community support yeah that's it for me

[0:12:20] Voice 4: okay so next up is the chair's report um lisa mentioned we had uh trust council in march

[0:12:27] Voice 2: um our focus on the budget deliberations but also as you mentioned there's immediate training

[0:12:34] Voice 2: section and a bit of strategic um priority uh strategizing i suppose and it was just we got

[0:12:43] Voice 2: got a start on that um that's a precursor to the our change in direction that the stress council

[0:12:53] Voice 2: is attempting which is to align uh budgetary planning and strategic planning in a corporate

[0:12:59] Voice 2: planning process which um once it's fully up and running is is intended to uh provide some

[0:13:07] Voice 2: more surety for long-term funding um for projects that are going to take more than one fiscal we've

[0:13:14] Voice 2: had um over the past nine years i've been on council we've had uh investments made into

[0:13:20] Voice 2: projects that uh uh a couple years in and before they were complete trust that the will of trust

[0:13:27] Voice 2: council decided not to spend any more money on them and uh i think from my perspective it makes

[0:13:34] Voice 2: a lot more sense if you're if you're going to get into a project that's going to take some

[0:13:39] Voice 2: some time to to plan ahead to fund it to completion so um that's definitely a big part of

[0:13:46] Voice 2: of where we're going on that um a couple uh let's see what else the or the islands trust

[0:13:54] Voice 2: chief administrative officer has announced he's going to retire in the summer

[0:13:59] Voice 2: um been involved we've had a lot of meetings uh with the hiring committee um looking to find a

[0:14:07] Voice 2: replacement suitable replacement uh for that position um there's been a lot of meetings

[0:14:12] Voice 2: involved with that and uh um there's an intention to in fact more than intention there's been a

[0:14:21] Voice 2: request for proposals put out for executive search firm to help us find suitable candidates

[0:14:29] Voice 2: um so that work is ongoing and uh uh there was a meeting yesterday and of course i was traveling

[0:14:37] Voice 2: and had difficulty connecting, so I can't give you the verbatim

[0:14:41] Voice 2: on what the Verizon report out of that session was,

[0:14:44] Voice 2: but they're still trying to pin down the successful candidate

[0:14:50] Voice 2: for that executive search firm.

[0:14:52] Voice 2: And so that's pretty big news at Islands Trust.

[0:14:56] Voice 2: The CAO has been in that position for seven years,

[0:15:01] Voice 2: which is a total long for a CAO in this type of organization.

[0:15:06] Voice 2: Although it almost seems like it was just shortly ago that he joined.

[0:15:15] Voice 2: Let's see. The Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities meetings are this weekend.

[0:15:23] Voice 2: Most executives going to be attending. I'm not going to make it because I'm actually going to take the weekend off because of this full week of travel.

[0:15:34] Voice 2: and then my next couple of weeks are busy as well.

[0:15:38] Voice 2: I wanna thank Ben for bringing the pamphlets

[0:15:41] Voice 2: on the secondary suite incentive.

[0:15:46] Voice 2: And as he mentioned, it was a bit of a struggle

[0:15:49] Voice 2: to get it out to the islands,

[0:15:52] Voice 2: which the province sort of did securitously

[0:15:54] Voice 2: by including the regional districts

[0:15:57] Voice 4: as being eligible,

[0:16:00] Voice 4: certainly just started out with the municipalities.

[0:16:02] Voice 4: There's a lot of questions on some of our rural communities of why are we being excluded

[0:16:08] Voice 4: from this.

[0:16:10] Voice 4: Certainly there's housing issues all through the islands in the Islands Trust area.

[0:16:20] Voice 2: The CRD is hosting a meeting on April 30th around collaboration on marine issues.

[0:16:32] Voice 2: I'm hoping that that leads to some productive discussions, clearly with the four levels

[0:16:41] Voice 2: of jurisdiction being local government, regional district, the province and the federal government,

[0:16:49] Voice 2: some form of working together, it's essential to address the issues.

[0:16:54] Voice 2: I am not as familiar with the Montague Harbour, but I'm told that the issues are not dissimilar

[0:16:59] Voice 2: which I'm more more familiar with and hopefully we're going to this is hopefully this step towards

[0:17:08] Voice 2: some some more inter-agency collaboration so that we're working in the same direction instead of

[0:17:16] Voice 2: piecemeal and at odds and so I'm hopeful that that leads to to better better work and

[0:17:23] Voice 2: and uh better outcomes for all these harbors that are just increasingly popular and especially given

[0:17:30] Voice 2: the the housing costs and housing availability you know liveaboards are are something that

[0:17:39] Voice 2: may end it's i think likely to increase um in numbers as as we move along here

[0:17:48] Voice 2: finally the montague harbour uh as as mentioned with i've received lots of emails um around that

[0:17:56] Voice 2: and the positive note from that is i ended up in a email discussion with um vancouver island

[0:18:05] Voice 2: district manager at moti uh as well as um uh one of adam olson's uh staffers and i brought up the

[0:18:14] Voice 2: fact that islands trust and motif have a fairly dated uh letter of agreement that stretches back

[0:18:23] Voice 2: to 1992 and there's a mending letter of 1996 which sets out the parameters for establishing

[0:18:31] Voice 2: a task force which has never been done um in september when executive committee met with the

[0:18:38] Voice 2: the minister and that was one of the items I brought up and the minister was receptive he

[0:18:44] Voice 2: said oh it's we have that agreement let's do it unfortunately we didn't get much traction in terms

[0:18:49] Voice 2: of hearing back from the ministry on next steps but fortuitously with this email conversation

[0:18:57] Voice 2: around Montague Harbour the department district manager has agreed to a meeting with Finance Trust

[0:19:09] Voice 2: in April 29th and part of that's going to be around exploring what steps we need to take to

[0:19:18] Voice 2: establish this this long delayed task force which is if you go back to the letter of agreement

[0:19:26] Voice 2: a lot of it is about good better communication and certainly in this Montague parking situation

[0:19:35] Voice 2: situation that just really highlighted how there wasn't any um and you know certainly for i think

[0:19:44] Voice 2: for all of us and and i would imagine at some level at the at the ministry there um the value

[0:19:51] Voice 2: of of discussion before action has hopefully been uh brought to the fore and certainly uh working

[0:19:59] Voice 2: with um for island stress being able to work with with the ministry there's a lot of there's a lot

[0:20:04] Voice 2: infrastructure issues that need to be addressed everything from i've heard in this room

[0:20:10] Voice 2: line painting heard that numerous times here uh this parking issue uh the promises is

[0:20:17] Voice 2: the province is wanting to advance uh active transportation routes well i think if you go

[0:20:23] Voice 2: to any of the ferry terminals in the southern gulf islands that i've been to there needs to

[0:20:28] Voice 2: be some serious improvement to safely move foot passengers and especially cyclists through the

[0:20:34] Voice 2: ferry interface safely in a way that that especially if we're trying to enhance active

[0:20:41] Voice 2: transportation we need to think about this when there's restructuring and infrastructure changes

[0:20:47] Voice 2: at those uh at those ferry terminals so i'm hopeful that we're going to establish the task

[0:20:52] Voice 2: force and and that it um leads to a better better communication to start with and hopefully better

[0:21:00] Voice 2: better outcomes in terms of all of that type of infrastructure in the Islands

[0:21:05] Voice 2: Trust area and I

[0:21:08] Voice 2: will leave it there for now and I don't see our electoral director area here today but I will note

[0:21:20] Voice 2: that I suggested he'd be invited to that meeting with Moti even though it is Islands Trust and

[0:21:27] Voice 4: multi but he's he's a former trustee and he's been on the island a lot i think it's actually

[0:21:33] Voice 4: it's reasonable to expand the collaboration a little bit um and and to be able to if nothing

[0:21:41] Voice 4: else have him there to listen um and and maybe he'll have some good suggestions who knows

[0:21:49] Voice 4: um nexus birth nation report ben i think you said you yeah i was

[0:21:53] Voice 4: just a small update uh

[0:21:55] I

[0:21:55] Voice 4: talked with Josh James and

[0:21:57] Voice 4: Ken Thomas this morning.

[0:21:59] Voice 4: They apologized for not being here today.

[0:22:01] Voice 4: They wanted to come to this meeting to let everybody know

[0:22:08] Voice 4: they're looking forward to meeting with staff and

[0:22:11] Voice 4: with the trustees in regard to the applications that are before them now.

[0:22:15] Voice 4: They're just waiting to hear back from legal and they expect that to be

[0:22:20] Voice 4: by the end of this week.

[0:22:21] Voice 4: and so uh hopefully we'll be we'll be having a sit down with them very shortly so uh yeah

[0:22:30] Voice 4: great and that's it for them yep that's that's good news glad to hear that so next on the agenda

[0:22:38] Voice 4: we have the

[0:22:39] Voice 2: town hall questions section and i'll just remind everyone to um speak to the

[0:22:47] Voice 2: issues within the jurisdiction of the islands trust if possible ideally what's on our agenda

[0:22:53] Voice 2: today um use respectful language address issues non-individuals and to keep your questions and

[0:23:04] Voice 2: comments brief um if needed i'll use a timer and restrict people to three minutes um and uh with

[0:23:12] Voice 2: that i would look for show hands of people who would like to say something or ask a question

[0:23:21] Voice 4: okay

[0:23:22] Voice 2: okay not a huge number so i won't bother with the timer just yet go ahead sir

[0:23:27] Voice 4: uh thank you uh

[0:23:28] Voice 4: um i would urge yourself and ben to please make use of your contacts with motive because you're

[0:23:38] Voice 4: We're probably dealing with people on Galpiano, who represent Galpiano, that have been able

[0:23:44] Voice 4: to get any sort of an official response, or a response of any kind, promoting on safety

[0:23:51] Voice 4: issues, especially the issue of repainting of the federal lines.

[0:23:57] Voice 4: Multi-staff, including Francois and his manager, have been ignoring and stonewalling citizens

[0:24:05] Voice 4: citizens who have been writing to them about this issue.

[0:24:09] Voice 4: It's not only Eliano, the Powhatan Valley Regional District recently made public statements

[0:24:18] Voice 4: that were covered by a local newspaper about MOTI's lack and complete lack of cooperation

[0:24:29] Voice 4: Cooperation or even communication with the regional district on road issues on regional road issues

[0:24:37] Voice 4: So if you do have it in and they will listen to or at least pick up the telephone

[0:24:44] Voice 4: Please please

[0:24:47] Voice 4: Y'all keep them on their toes and ask them about this one particular issue the season for

[0:24:56] Voice 4: for repainting roads is rapidly coming

[0:24:59] Voice 4: and will be over before we know it.

[0:25:06] Voice 4: Okay, thank you, good luck.

[0:25:08] Voice 4: Thank you, I'm Jennifer Martinson.

[0:25:12] Voice 4: I'd just like to comment on the student's application.

[0:25:16] Voice 4: I wasn't at the February LTC meeting

[0:25:19] Voice 4: and I've just been sort of catching up

[0:25:21] Voice 4: with the information that's available

[0:25:22] Voice 4: in the agenda packages.

[0:25:24] Voice 4: But I would like to speak as a resident who doesn't live anywhere near this property.

[0:25:32] Voice 4: I was really quite shocked, I have to say, to read the staff report and the staff recommendation

[0:25:37] Voice 4: that this involvement permit application or variance permit be approved.

[0:25:44] Voice 4: From what I read, the zoning infractions on this property are long standing and multiple.

[0:25:51] Voice 4: to vote. There clearly has been an opportunity over decades for these contraventions to be

[0:25:58] Voice 4: addressed and bring the property into compliance. And as a resident and taxpayer, I'm really

[0:26:06] Voice 4: not very happy that my tax money, which goes to the Island's Trust, has been in fact used

[0:26:15] Voice 4: is to get a judgment in a court case,

[0:26:18] Voice 4: a judgment

[0:26:20] Voice 4: that gave the owner of the property,

[0:26:23] Voice 4: the longtime owner of the property,

[0:26:25] Voice 4: a year to bring the property into compliance,

[0:26:28] Voice 4: and nothing has been done.

[0:26:31] Voice 4: And then to see this application be recommended

[0:26:34] Voice 4: for approval, I find really concerning.

[0:26:41] Voice 4: Personally, I feel like I have a civic duty

[0:26:43] Voice 4: to abide by the bylaws that we have in our official community plan and by our zoning bylaws

[0:26:51] Voice 4: and I don't believe that it's fair to the adjacent property owners to have to go to

[0:26:59] Voice 4: the amount of trouble and work that I saw in the report that they have submitted

[0:27:05] Voice 4: it um that is in this agenda package a very detailed report to try and have bigger um rights

[0:27:15] Voice 4: respected in the situation i appreciate that the um uh mistake and the people who have now

[0:27:23] Voice 4: adhered to this property are in an unfortunate situation but as is stated in the staff

[0:27:30] Voice 4: opportunity nation report if this development areas permit is

[0:27:35] Voice 3: approved it

[0:27:37] Voice 4: sets a really

[0:27:38] Voice 4: can set a very unfortunate precedent for other applications that come before

[0:27:45] Voice 4: the ltc and i really feel that we have to be very careful of that

[0:27:53] Voice 4: that. I also am very concerned for the environment and the fact that one particular variance

[0:28:02] Voice 4: has to do with the fact that the septic field or system is extremely close to the sea. I

[0:28:12] Voice 4: think the width, if I'm correct, it was within three meters where the requirement is at least

[0:28:19] Voice 4: 30 meters that's a real concern for pollution of our environment it is the landing and the object

[0:28:29] Voice 4: of the truck to protect and preserve the environment so um i would just um those are my

[0:28:37] Voice 4: initial reactions to what i saw in this application that really influenced me thank you

[0:28:45] Voice 4: okay so i'm going to have back here with did you have your hand up sandy

[0:28:48] Voice 4: hello i'm richard boyce sergeant uh i'm here also to speak about the uh variance issues on

[0:29:02] Voice 4: john skin's property my wife and i have been the owner of our seasonal cabin on galliano since 1993

[0:29:10] Voice 4: 1993, over 31 years. When we returned to open the cabin in the spring of 2005, we were shocked

[0:29:18] Voice 4: to discover that Mr. Bernstein was shocked to have had, he's the recent owner, new owner

[0:29:26] Voice 4: of this property, had made use of our driveway and had created an open construction area

[0:29:31] Voice 4: on our land with heavy construction equipment. Boulders and sand were strewn landably next

[0:29:39] Voice 4: thanks to our well-pumped housing, among other things.

[0:29:43] Voice 4: However, far more upsetting here was the realization

[0:29:48] Voice 4: that our thick stand of trees that we valued for privacy

[0:29:52] Voice 4: had been removed without our consent

[0:29:54] Voice 4: to facilitate easier access to a construction site.

[0:30:00] Voice 4: Trees on both sides of our property were removed and the natural divide filled in with fine gravel

[0:30:06] Voice 4: and sand to ensure adequate drainage for the construction of a long driveway down the joint

[0:30:13] Voice 4: property line. Cars, pickups, front and lower ears were able to use this road next to our fence.

[0:30:22] Voice 4: This was followed by a building of a septic field leveling and filling in of the sloped property

[0:30:30] Voice 4: raising and changing the whole topography by way of the erection of massive boulders to encase the added fill.

[0:30:39] Voice 4: I initially thought the boulder wall would pop out at four feet high, but it ended up close to double that,

[0:30:48] Voice 4: changing the entire lay of the land in water runoff next to ours.

[0:30:53] Voice 4: and our leafy view towards the marina from our living room was replaced with an eight-foot

[0:31:00] Voice 4: stockade fence above which the new level of our neighbor's lawn and the occasional parked car

[0:31:07] Voice 4: peered down upon us. So to conclude, it appears that the Islands Trust's guiding principle

[0:31:19] Voice 4: of privacy, visual impact, and role of character

[0:31:24] Voice 4: have suddenly been sidestepped in this case,

[0:31:29] Voice 4: and the impetus to resolve the problems

[0:31:31] Voice 4: have been allowed to stagnate by the governing parties.

[0:31:36] Voice 4: So for all concerned, could we please prioritize this case

[0:31:42] Voice 4: and seek a lawful conclusion?

[0:31:45] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:31:47] Voice 4: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:31:48] Voice 4: And do we see some more hands over here?

[0:31:51] Voice 4: No?

[0:31:55] Voice 4: Okay, then.

[0:31:57] Voice 4: Thank you, Chair Tim.

[0:31:58] Voice 4: Speaking right back.

[0:32:00] Voice 4: When I took a look at the agenda

[0:32:03] Voice 4: materials, I was flabbergasted

[0:32:05] Voice 4: to see the information

[0:32:07] Voice 4: of this D.C. Supreme Court

[0:32:09] Voice 4: order from 2014,

[0:32:12] Voice 4: which has

[0:32:13] Voice 4: not been enforced.

[0:32:14] Voice 4: And I think that one of the steps

[0:32:17] Voice 4: that we need to take

[0:32:19] Voice 4: is to find out why.

[0:32:23] Voice 4: How was the ball

[0:32:24] Voice 4: drawn? Why was there no

[0:32:26] Voice 4: enforcement by the

[0:32:28] Voice 4: ILO Trust

[0:32:30] Voice 4: on the particular issue?

[0:32:34] Voice 4: The other issues

[0:32:36] Voice 4: which stem

[0:32:38] Voice 4: from this are

[0:32:39] Voice 4: perhaps legal in nature.

[0:32:42] Voice 4: Does the current

[0:32:43] Voice 4: variation application

[0:32:46] Voice 4: have any impact

[0:32:48] Voice 4: or is it impacted by the

[0:32:50] Voice 4: outstanding B.C. Supreme Court order.

[0:32:53] Voice 4: If so, which one takes precedence?

[0:32:58] Voice 4: The other issue which is troubling is that the staff recommendations did not even mention

[0:33:10] Voice 4: this particular outstanding B.C. Supreme Court order.

[0:33:15] Voice 4: with staff unaware of the order that if they were aware of the order and ignored it

[0:33:27] Voice 4: that is a serious problem that the local trust community has to deal with

[0:33:33] Voice 4: there are a whole series of issues i think that the trust needs to clarify

[0:33:38] Voice 4: before you proceed any further on the current variance application thank you

[0:33:47] Voice 4: yeah thank you for that yes um i'd just like to respond um the neighbor's question the lengthy

[0:33:56] Voice 4: delay in submitting of this application so the honest book brochure states very clearly that

[0:34:04] Voice 4: attention must be given to unusual and personal circumstances that may affect the timing of an

[0:34:09] Voice 4: application two deaths in my family as pointed out it's pointed out in the stock report plus a

[0:34:16] Voice 4: worldwide pandemic are unusual in personal circumstances. With my father's death in 2016,

[0:34:24] Voice 4: my brother became executor. He worked diligently and closely with Islanders Trust staff to clarify

[0:34:31] Voice 4: and fully identify the respective variances. During that time he struggled with a misdiagnosed

[0:34:37] Voice 4: disease and was increasingly in poor health. He died nine days after being diagnosed with cancer

[0:34:45] Voice 4: answer at the age of 68. There was no transition time for me to get up to speed as the alternate

[0:34:52] Voice 4: executor, and I had to take time to be able to advise myself when making issues. Demanding

[0:35:01] Voice 4: issues, sorry, demanding answers about the delay in the present context suggests a lack

[0:35:08] Voice 4: of understanding and a disconnect from our present reality.

[0:35:16] Voice 4: Okay, and you are the applicant, right?

[0:35:19] Voice 3: Okay, I am, yeah.

[0:35:19] Voice 3: yeah

[0:35:19] Voice 4: okay and and so you will also have an opportunity to speak

[0:35:24] Voice 4: when we get to your

[0:35:24] Voice 4: to your application i

[0:35:26] Voice 3: just wanted to address the timing

[0:35:27] Voice 3: okay

[0:35:28] Voice 2: anything else and before we move on i'm not seeing any hands um okay so we have no

[0:35:36] Voice 2: community information or public hearing today on page

[0:35:42] Voice 4: three we have the minutes i believe february

[0:35:45] Voice 4: 13th uh meeting for adoption anything on those minutes that needs amending

[0:35:50] Voice 4: all

[0:35:51] Voice 3: right

[0:35:52] Voice 4: well i'll take it by general consent those minutes are adopted as presented then

[0:35:57] Voice 4: we have no resolution without meetings report nor any final commission minutes

[0:36:04] Voice 4: and

[0:36:04] Voice 2: so that brings us up to the follow-up action list on page nine i'll look to staff and see if

[0:36:11] Voice 2: there's anything you want to surprise us over there i

[0:36:14] Voice 5: don't believe so no you don't have to

[0:36:16] Voice 5: answer any questions the ltc may have great

[0:36:19] Voice 4: and any questions for staff on the follow-up actualist

[0:36:22] Voice 4: today okay uh moving right along then uh we have a delegation um and so do

[0:36:39] Voice 2: you have uh i'm gonna

[0:36:42] Voice 2: uh um bring uh the time limit uh of 10 minutes in into play for the delegation um that's as we

[0:36:49] Voice 2: discussed no surprise there but let's remind that that's

[0:36:53] Voice 4: part of it set up today first of all i'd

[0:37:08] Voice 4: like to thank the chair for giving us an opportunity to seek our views on the 337 property

[0:37:15] Voice 4: my name is barton swan and i'll be speaking on behalf of the uh of the adjacent property owners

[0:37:23] Voice 4: What I'd like to cover in the presentation are the infractions that are on the property.

[0:37:29] Voice 4: These are infractions against By-law 127, legal action that's been taken, a responsible

[0:37:36] Voice 4: pathway for compliance, and to wrap up with some conclusions.

[0:37:40] Voice 4: Next slide, please.

[0:37:42] Voice 4: So the property that we're talking about is right here under the yellow arrow.

[0:37:47] Voice 4: Our property, the Swan property, is on this side.

[0:37:50] Voice 4: The Boyce Sarkins property is right here, and the O'Shaughneau property is right here.

[0:37:56] Voice 4: This constitutes the adjacent property owners that I'm speaking on behalf of.

[0:38:01] Voice 4: Next slide, please.

[0:38:03] Voice 4: This is a site plan of 3307.

[0:38:07] Voice 4: It's a small residential lot.

[0:38:10] Voice 4: It's also quite a small lot.

[0:38:12] Voice 4: It's actually a little bit bigger than ours, but it's 0.159 acres.

[0:38:16] Voice 4: When you take in the six meter setback on the interior lot lines and the 7.5 meter setback

[0:38:23] Voice 4: on the water and the road, it leaves you with 42% that you can legally build on.

[0:38:30] Voice 4: Next slide, please.

[0:38:31] Voice 4: Anything in the red is where development took place in the setback area.

[0:38:37] Voice 4: And you can see it's about, the red is about 25% of this green.

[0:38:43] Voice 4: Next slide, please.

[0:38:45] Voice 4: when you build in the setback area you're undoubtedly going to run into a lot coverage

[0:38:50] Voice 4: area problem the land use file 127 has a limit of 25 percent this lot the way it was developed

[0:38:58] Voice 4: is sitting at 36 next slide please this is a picture of the property

[0:39:06] Voice 4: our property is over on this side this is the western lot line you can see that the setback

[0:39:13] Voice 4: has been ignored right up to the property line all the way along here this cottage is only a meter

[0:39:20] Voice 4: and a half from the property line the what coverage you can see is peculiar that's the 36

[0:39:27] Voice 4: percent i'm talking over just the buildings and also the coverage in the uh the patio and parking

[0:39:34] Voice 4: area and then there's the oversized woodshed compost here next slide please on the other side

[0:39:42] Voice 4: of the property which is the boy started side this is the before picture with all the trees

[0:39:48] Voice 4: that richard just spoke about goodbye trees hello fence and there was no consent on that but richard

[0:39:55] Voice 4: covered that so let's go on to the next slide this is the court order this is what was issued

[0:40:02] Voice 4: in september of 2014 and what happened here is the ltc of galliano petitioned john's news

[0:40:09] Voice 4: And they cited multiple by-law infractions of By-law 127, and if you go to the next slide,

[0:40:20] Voice 4: you'll see that the Islands Trust were successful on all of the contraventions, and John was

[0:40:29] Voice 4: given a year to comply.

[0:40:32] Voice 4: The LTC wanted to do it in two months.

[0:40:34] Voice 4: The judge said no, we'll give them a year, and if you go to the next slide, it proved

[0:40:42] Voice 4: to be a mistake because none of these happened, unfortunately.

[0:40:46] Voice 4: Now the current situation is interesting.

[0:40:49] Voice 4: After eight years of the deadline, there's been an application put in for DBT to vary

[0:40:54] Voice 4: nine violations, setback violations.

[0:40:58] Voice 4: The applicant gets to choose which ones they would like to vary, but there are six contraventions

[0:41:06] Voice 4: in the court order that haven't been addressed, and there's five other issues that have been

[0:41:16] Voice 4: passed on to the enforcement.

[0:41:19] Voice 4: And then if the violations aren't varied or they aren't applied for or if they're applied

[0:41:25] Voice 4: and they're approved but if they're not approved then you have to correct them next slide please

[0:41:32] Voice 4: this slide shows the violations that are on the property the green ones are all the ones that are

[0:41:38] Voice 4: in the dvp application we wanted to make sure they were very visible for the ltc because there's a

[0:41:44] Voice 4: lot of issues going on here the red ones are the ones that are in the the core quarter that's

[0:41:49] Voice 4: that have been addressed in the DDP, and the blue ones are the ones that are additional

[0:41:54] Voice 4: that have been submitted to enforcement. Next slide, please. This is a description of the

[0:42:01] Voice 4: violations. The green are the ones that are in the DDP, and we've included the reference.

[0:42:06] Voice 4: Next slide, please. Okay, so what we did, as he takes the property over, is we undertook

[0:42:15] Voice 4: a a bylaw assessment and what we did is we applied the criteria from the island's trust if you go to

[0:42:24] Voice 4: the next slide i can better explain this these are all the violations here again the green ones are

[0:42:31] Voice 4: in the dvp red ones are in the fourth order the new ones uh blue ones are uh reporting to enforcement

[0:42:40] Voice 4: this is the island's criteria across the top this is a criteria they use to measure the impact

[0:42:47] Voice 4: on setbacks and so what we did is we evaluated the criteria against each one 140 decisions

[0:42:58] Voice 4: on what the impact was on these various um infractions one is minor three is

[0:43:08] Voice 4: is medium, 5 is high in terms of the income.

[0:43:14] Voice 4: The totals were put in here.

[0:43:16] Voice 4: If it's red, it almost means you've got to do remediation.

[0:43:20] Voice 4: If it's tan color, this couple down here,

[0:43:24] Voice 4: that would mean that it would be something

[0:43:26] Voice 4: that you could probably bear.

[0:43:28] Voice 4: They've been put into four groups

[0:43:30] Voice 4: to help with the remediation strategies.

[0:43:34] Voice 4: Next slide, please.

[0:43:37] Voice 4: Okay, Jan, let's go and look at the picture.

[0:43:40] Voice 4: Okay, so what this is is the parking lot group.

[0:43:44] Voice 4: It's got these three violations that are in the court order,

[0:43:49] Voice 4: and there's four that are being reported to enforcement.

[0:43:54] Voice 4: The remediation plan here would be to remove these lock-lock walls,

[0:43:59] Voice 4: return this area of the lot back to its natural level.

[0:44:04] Voice 4: these three and fourth concrete walls would remain in push fill into backfill and that would restore

[0:44:10] Voice 4: the contour it would also by taking the tiles up you would restore 7.1 percent of the lot coverage

[0:44:20] Voice 4: okay next slide please now the front wall is group two and let's look at the next slide

[0:44:31] Voice 4: Again, there's two that are in, two walls that are in the court document, there's two

[0:44:37] Voice 4: over there that are, or three in total that are in the DBP.

[0:44:41] Voice 4: The recommendation is these walls be dismantled and in the setback areas it be returned to

[0:44:49] Voice 4: the natural level.

[0:44:51] Voice 4: Next slide please.

[0:44:53] Voice 4: Okay, the cottage, can we go to the next picture?

[0:44:57] Voice 4: sure the cottage there's one court violation has to do with the density and then there's two that

[0:45:05] Voice 4: are in the dvp um what the remediation would be here would be to take the cottage off the property

[0:45:13] Voice 4: and that would um solve the density problem and also between taking the tile out of the parking

[0:45:20] Voice 4: lot and the covered area that you would lose here in compliance with the coverage of provision.

[0:45:29] Voice 4: This wall would be removed, this area would be returned to the natural slope all the way

[0:45:38] Voice 4: along the entire line.

[0:45:40] Voice 4: Next slide.

[0:45:42] Voice 4: Okay, the miscellaneous violations, when we go to the next slide I can explain it in a

[0:45:47] Voice 4: picture easier again four that are in the dvp one that's been reported to enforcement

[0:45:55] Voice 4: and what we recommend here is that this wall or this fence actually be buried it's reasonable to

[0:46:02] Voice 4: bury it the septic field the circumstances with the contamination of wells and so forth

[0:46:10] Voice 4: we're recommending it was a hard decision but we're recommending that it be buried

[0:46:15] Voice 4: this house was built in the 50s it's got a setback of 6.7 37.5 why would you take a corner

[0:46:23] Voice 4: of a house after it's been there for 70 years we recommend that it be buried for the pub house we

[0:46:29] Voice 4: just recommended the roof over the covered area to be removed and we recommend that the flow be

[0:46:36] Voice 4: brought into compliance with the development permit for that flow next next slide please

[0:46:42] Voice 4: okay so in conclusion um in conclusion we believe that what we're proposing is reasonable sensible

[0:47:00] Voice 4: and achievable um this would responsibly bring uh 3307 into compliance with the bylaw the rights of

[0:47:09] Voice 4: the cases for property owners would be respected and so would the galliano community there'd be

[0:47:14] Voice 4: nothing to abolish the cottage would be transported off the property the wall of his

[0:47:19] Voice 4: these are solutions are obvious and affordable and the cost of doing it would be less than the

[0:47:33] Voice 4: the appreciation in the last year.

[0:47:37] Voice 4: And if I were, I'd just like to say

[0:47:39] Voice 4: that the existing property owners

[0:47:42] Voice 4: did correct the violations prior to selling.

[0:47:45] Voice 4: It's a mess.

[0:47:46] Voice 4: Please do the right thing.

[0:47:48] Voice 4: I would stress, please enforce your bylaw.

[0:47:51] Voice 4: It's in the interest of the public, the environment,

[0:47:54] Voice 4: and the property owners.

[0:47:56] Voice 4: Please do what's right.

[0:47:59] Voice 4: The next slide is just for your reference.

[0:48:02] Voice 4: it's not new information it just shows the green boxes which are the ones that are in the dvp and

[0:48:09] Voice 4: if you look it has our recommendation like the nominee or approved and it's just a quick

[0:48:15] Voice 4: reference for you that's all it is um next slide and i want to thank you all

[0:48:21] Voice 3: right

[0:48:24] Voice 4: thank you for

[0:48:26] Voice 4: that so that concludes the delegations for this meeting we have nothing in the correspondence

[0:48:40] Voice 4: section um we have a meeting break slash community update schedule to check in with staff and

[0:48:51] Voice 4: any trustees okay okay

[0:48:55] Voice 3: all

[0:48:57] Voice 4: right then that takes it on the page so let's go to applications and

[0:49:06] Voice 4: referrals first up we have 15.1 they've started on page 34 we have a glvp 2024.1 mossman and we

[0:49:19] Voice 4: have a staff report and so we'll start with that then we can hear from the applicant thank you

[0:49:25] Voice 5: chair peterson i'm going to present this staff report on behalf of phil testaml uh this is a

[0:49:32] Voice 5: application for a development variance permit for the sighting of a proposed dwelling the sighting

[0:49:39] Voice 5: in height of an existing accessory building and the sighting of proposed structures a septic field

[0:49:46] Voice 5: and a rainwater storage tank for the property on Gossip Island.

[0:49:53] Voice 5: The property owner is proposing to build over roughly a 500-square-foot dwelling

[0:50:00] Voice 5: that would be located on approximately the same foot as where a previous cabin was placed

[0:50:07] Voice 5: for approximately 100 years.

[0:50:10] Voice 5: Due to not trying to remove any trees on the property, they'd like to retain that plot

[0:50:18] Voice 5: for the proposed dwelling.

[0:50:20] Voice 5: In order to do that though, some variances would be required for the dwelling unit.

[0:50:25] Voice 5: That would be to bury the interior lot line for the proposed house.

[0:50:31] Voice 5: A water cistern would also be next to the house and the cistern siding would also need a variance.

[0:50:41] Voice 5: There is a new septic disposal system proposed which has been designed by a licensed installer.

[0:50:49] Voice 5: dollar. And they're also requesting a variance of reducing the 30 meters set back the natural

[0:50:57] Voice 5: boundary of the sea to 22 meters. There is an existing accessory building on the property.

[0:51:05] Voice 5: The property owners would like to retain that building. Currently, I believe they are going

[0:51:11] Voice 5: to be living in that building while they build their new dwelling. When the new dwelling is

[0:51:17] Voice 5: is built they'll convert that building back into an accessory use so they'll take out any

[0:51:22] Voice 5: um like if there's a kitchenette or what uh what have you um because this will be considered a

[0:51:30] Voice 5: accessory building uh the structure is actually over height so there'll be a variance for height

[0:51:35] Voice 5: and as well as siting as well um let's see here so staff have um oh i should mention one thing

[0:51:45] Voice 5: or notification completed and we received one piece of correspondence and that was in support

[0:51:50] Voice 5: of the application so staff are recommending approval for the development variance permit

[0:51:56] Voice 5: based on the fact that the rationale for the variances are reasonable the impacts of the

[0:52:01] Voice 5: neighboring properties are minor and the placement of the dwellings or the accessory buildings where

[0:52:09] Voice 5: they are going to be placed would actually um reduce or really limit injury so

[0:52:15] Voice 5: there all

[0:52:17] Voice 5: are also alternatives the ltc can consider and that's on page 39 of the agenda the ltc may

[0:52:25] Voice 5: request further information from the applicant the ltc may request to amend um the permit and then

[0:52:32] Voice 5: to approve it the ltc also has the um the option to deny the application but staff are making the

[0:52:42] Voice 5: recommendation that the ltc approve issuance of gldp 2024.1 and that's a page down on page 34

[0:52:51] Voice 5: of the agenda and then the applicant is here as well the ltc

[0:52:54] Voice 4: has any questions

[0:52:56] Voice 2: great and before we go to question i just want to see if the applicant has anything to add

[0:53:12] Voice 4: My wife and I have been coming to Gallaudet for at least 40 years, before it was camping

[0:53:19] Voice 4: trips and cycling trips, and then about 10 years ago we had to find a little audio on

[0:53:28] Voice 4: uh since then for about 10 years we've been coming there with their little tips they were really

[0:53:33] Voice 4: little and finally another 10 years bigger um we're pretty familiar with the conditions on

[0:53:39] Voice 4: the lot there year-round weather and animals plants um you know it's not always benign out

[0:53:45] Voice 4: there because i don't remember the big windstorm a few years back well two fairly giant trees came

[0:53:50] down there are a lot out there and actually one of them totally corrupt a little pattern

[0:53:54] and our neighbors in the u.s and some also smashed the historic structure that was there

[0:53:59] so um

[0:54:02] Voice 4: so we we had fun bouncing back from that um we tried to be pretty light on the

[0:54:09] Voice 4: way when we were there so we brought a split power we pretty much currently

[0:54:15] um although in order to get our application from crd we decided that it would just be more

[0:54:21] straightforward it's uh because i don't help this

[0:54:24] Voice 4: used to dealing with the traditional septic systems

[0:54:27] Voice 4: that's why we're putting the sentences um and maybe at another later for the place uh we plan

[0:54:34] Voice 4: to build it mostly on our own um my hands won't be a lot of people and uh it's going to be really

[0:54:41] Voice 4: long stuff like this also reduces the amount of material that we have okay

[0:54:53] Voice 4: get a good seat there okay trustee is collecting this board staff to get out with that yeah one

[0:55:01] Voice 4: uh question here on page 49 from the engineers um semantics for the septic dual um and then on page

[0:55:12] Voice 4: uh on the what is it sorry the site plan figure two it has the dream field in uh two different

[0:55:18] Voice 4: locations yeah that's something oh should i address it

[0:55:25] Voice 3: please yes yeah so

[0:55:28] Voice 4: um the placement

[0:55:32] Voice 4: of the training field has moved around a little bit as we uh adjusted to various things the most

[0:55:38] Voice 4: recent thing is when we uh we were a little late uh engaging with our immediate neighbors

[0:55:44] Voice 4: used to vote on our plans and they didn't like the fact that we were going to run a very accepted

[0:55:50] Voice 4: decline up along uh not either property or anything but it was going to be within the

[0:55:56] Voice 4: six meter setback and they were concerned about that we would damage groups of trees on their

[0:56:01] Voice 4: property which might make them more likely to fall down which were all very sensitive

[0:56:04] Voice 4: um and so in response to that i i routed it completely away and out of the setback region

[0:56:12] Voice 4: so it wasn't an issue but that just meant moving the the drain field to a different spot and that

[0:56:18] Voice 4: was

[0:56:18] Voice 3: kind of something that went down after

[0:56:20] Voice 4: my initial application so i don't think the plans

[0:56:25] Voice 4: have been updated but that's it's um yeah that's why yeah

[0:56:30] Voice 3: okay other

[0:56:35] Voice 4: questions no i don't have

[0:56:38] Voice 4: any questions on this one um i was actually going to go over and get a hold of the owners and go

[0:56:44] Voice 4: over and look at that but i met them on the dock and they were hauling some big boulders down the

[0:56:49] Voice 4: ramp and i thought they probably don't need to be interfered with at this point and uh so i i mean

[0:56:56] Voice 4: i've been over exhausted many many times i know this piece of property and i really appreciate

[0:57:00] Voice 4: that a lot of the planning has gone into minimizing removable trees and and trying to

[0:57:07] Voice 4: to do as little environmental damage as possible in their plan so i appreciate that and um

[0:57:13] Voice 4: On that note, I'm going to make a motion to accept the recommendation that the Galleon

[0:57:20] Voice 4: Local Trust Committee approve the issuance of GLDBB 2024.1 Mossman.

[0:57:27] Voice 4: So, I'll move to the seconded.

[0:57:29] Voice 4: Right, Deb?

[0:57:30] Voice 4: Any further discussion?

[0:57:32] Voice 4: I just wanted to point out that I'm not a huge fan of dream fields and setbacks.

[0:57:36] Voice 4: But this one is against the rule.

[0:57:38] Voice 4: route and if it was to be 30 meters from the national boundary it wouldn't be on the property

[0:57:44] Voice 4: any longer so that is the space that is the place for it so i agree okay thank you for that

[0:57:52] Voice 4: uh but there's nothing further i'll call the question all in favor and that carries okay

[0:58:01] Voice 4: Okay, so next we have GLDBP 2023.5 skills, and there's a staff report attached on page 16.

[0:58:15] Voice 4: And so over to Planner Stockdell.

[0:58:18] Voice 4: Thank

[0:58:19] Voice 5: you. I'm going to present this staff report on behalf of Planner Belcher.

[0:58:24] Voice 5: So this purpose of the staff report is to provide the LTC with the status of Development Variance Permit 2023.5.

[0:58:35] Voice 5: So at the last meeting, the LTC made a resolution deferring the decision on this application to allow the applicant more time with the neighbors to address the variances.

[0:58:47] Voice 5: The applicant had a conversation with staff and has provided a letter which is attached

[0:58:52] Voice 5: to this memo and the applicant states that there's been no changes to the original DTP

[0:59:02] Voice 5: application and is resubmitting this application for the LTC's review and consideration.

[0:59:08] Voice 5: In the letter, the applicant has responded to some of the concerns submitted by the neighbours

[0:59:15] Voice 5: and has also provided a certified septic inspection letter.

[0:59:21] Voice 5: I should know, oh, and there was also a re-notification period

[0:59:24] Voice 5: and those pieces of correspondence have been posted

[0:59:28] Voice 5: to our applications webpage.

[0:59:31] Voice 5: The permit actually isn't attached to the staff report.

[0:59:35] Voice 5: I have brought hard copies with us.

[0:59:39] Voice 5: It's the exact same draft permit that was included

[0:59:41] Voice 5: in the February staff report.

[0:59:43] Voice 5: There's been no changes there.

[0:59:45] Voice 5: I do want to just take a moment to make a few comments regarding the court order.

[0:59:51] Voice 5: So the LTC has already gone through the legal process to request the owner to comply.

[0:59:57] Voice 5: So at this point, it's the owner's responsibility to request the owner to comply.

[1:00:00] Voice 5: responsibility uh to come forward and comply uh with the attractions on the property uh the

[1:00:07] Voice 5: applicant is addressing the majority of the court order except uh for some of the retaining walls

[1:00:14] Voice 5: on the property um the owner has opted also to leave out the non-compliant lot coverage out of

[1:00:21] Voice 5: the variance as they as we know they intend to sell the property and the future owner would have

[1:00:27] Voice 5: to be responsible if it is sold to comply with the lot coverage and any other uh infractions that may

[1:00:33] Voice 5: remain on the property so if the ltc does decide to improve the dvp today as is or amended the

[1:00:41] Voice 5: bylaw enforcement file will still remain open um and approval of the current dp would dp would not

[1:00:49] Voice 5: close the enforcement file it would be the responsibility then of the current owner or

[1:00:54] Voice 5: a new owner to bring the property into compliance but that being

[1:00:59] Voice 5: said this is a dvp it's a step

[1:01:02] Voice 5: forward the applicant today is bringing forward an application that puts a lot of these infractions

[1:01:10] Voice 5: into compliance with the land use bylaw via the variance the applicant is here if you have any

[1:01:17] Voice 5: questions and i'm happy to answer any questions the ltc may have as well thank

[1:01:22] Voice 4: you thank you

[1:01:22] Voice 4: Did you have anything you'd like to add?

[1:01:24] Voice 4: I do, yeah.

[1:01:27] Voice 4: Yeah, I'd like to go first.

[1:01:30] Voice 4: Thanks, LTC and staff.

[1:01:33] Voice 4: I'd like to chair members of the LTC.

[1:01:36] Voice 4: The adjacent neighbors demand that the subject property be returned to a natural state

[1:01:41] Voice 4: by removing structures that have existed for almost two decades.

[1:01:46] Voice 4: To carry out this complicated plan for demolition,

[1:01:49] Voice 4: the estate would be forced to assume a large debt.

[1:01:53] Voice 4: Some folks may be okay taking on a half-a-million dollar debt, but the state is not authorized to do so.

[1:02:01] Voice 4: The neighbours say that I desire to quickly sell the property.

[1:02:05] Voice 4: In fact, my fiduciary duty to the beneficiaries as executor requires that I sell the property.

[1:02:13] Voice 4: I applied for a permit for the location of the septic field and a permit for the retaining walls that protect it.

[1:02:21] Voice 4: Initially, the adjacent neighbours did not support the variance for the septic field,

[1:02:25] Voice 4: and one neighbour adamantly opposed it, fearing collusion of lodging partners.

[1:02:32] Voice 4: But in the March 25th Impact Assessment Report, all the adjacent neighbours, as well as the one who adamantly opposed it, now approve its location.

[1:02:44] Voice 4: This kind of flip-flop kind of reminds me of that old lawyer joke,

[1:02:48] Voice 4: I have some principles, but if you don't like them, I have others.

[1:02:52] Voice 4: The report, in recommending removal of the septic retaining walls, suggested that care

[1:02:58] Voice 4: be taken not to disrupt the existing sewage.

[1:03:02] Voice 4: How do you remove protected retaining walls and not destroy the septic field in the process?

[1:03:11] Voice 4: The report says that returning the land to a natural state would be a sensible and easy

[1:03:17] Voice 4: process.

[1:03:19] Voice 4: It's a fantasy to believe that dismantling the structures that protect Montague Harbour

[1:03:24] Voice 4: would not destroy the septic field.

[1:03:28] Voice 4: As everyone knows, retaining walls are a common solution to stabilize steep slopes,

[1:03:33] Voice 4: and the existing walls create a bigger absorption field,

[1:03:37] Voice 4: which further protects magic and hardwood.

[1:03:40] Voice 4: The report's recommended solution is to tear out the retaining walls,

[1:03:46] Voice 4: destroy the existing septic field, return the land to steep slope high hazard,

[1:03:52] Voice 4: then build a new septic system in exactly the same location,

[1:03:57] Voice 4: but failed to protect quantity carbon.

[1:04:00] Voice 4: My question is, is this what the adjacent property owners mean by doing what's right?

[1:04:11] Voice 3: The

[1:04:14] Voice 4: volume of letters and documents and reports submitted to the Island's Trust

[1:04:17] Voice 4: in response to my application overwhelms Island's Trust staff and LTC

[1:04:22] Voice 4: with no information they already have.

[1:04:25] Voice 4: The Westside property owner with the neighbour's spokesperson

[1:04:28] Voice 4: bought their property in 2014, nine years after the structure was built,

[1:04:32] Voice 4: and four years after my father submitted his application.

[1:04:37] Voice 4: Are the Westside property owners now having buyer's remorse

[1:04:40] Voice 4: 10 years after the fact?

[1:04:42] Voice 4: The legal principle for this is buyer be ready.

[1:04:46] Voice 4: Is the purpose of the volume of material to distract the LTC

[1:04:49] Voice 4: from the pertinent facts of my application?

[1:04:54] Voice 4: Is it part of a hidden agenda, maybe to devalue the property?

[1:04:59] Voice 4: Is someone outside the realm of possibility?

[1:05:02] Voice 4: As I understand that there are instances

[1:05:04] Voice 4: is where boundary adjustments can be made i'm guessing this would explain what feels like a

[1:05:12] Voice 4: completely disproportionate response to my application to bring this property into compliance

[1:05:17] Voice 4: with land use by them my suggestion is that the neighbors perhaps would like to purchase

[1:05:24] Voice 4: that property and together apply for around the adjustment that is questions

[1:05:39] Voice 4: I wonder if I could get, Mr. Chair, I wonder if I could ask Dan to show this slide again.

[1:05:47] I

[1:06:08] Voice 3: think it's going on.

[1:07:25] Voice 3: I think

[1:08:02] Voice 4: it's

[1:08:12] Voice 3: going to be, it's very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

[1:10:08] Voice 4: So, thank you, Mr. Chair, and I just want to focus on the March 25th Impact Assessment

[1:10:26] Voice 4: Report, which is related to this, I think, Jen, this is a summary, more or less, of your

[1:10:33] Voice 4: March 25th Assessment Report.

[1:10:36] Voice 4: Correct.

[1:10:37] Voice 4: it expressed the adjacent neighbor's expectation that the environment and the public interests

[1:10:42] Voice 4: are important criteria for looking at the standards of the application one of the

[1:10:48] Voice 4: criteria that you might think in the report which you can develop with patterns which you expect from

[1:10:53] Voice 4: public rail that criteria invites comparison with the basis on the west side property island held's

[1:11:04] Voice 4: record of the 2012 installation of the sewage disposal system the new septic system is a

[1:11:11] Voice 4: location is within the seven and a half meter setback that we have let's think about that

[1:11:19] Voice 4: permit a 12-year-old septic system in the same field as a previous septic system less than seven

[1:11:26] Voice 4: and a half meters from ontario harbor and that septic field reached the end of life when was

[1:11:33] Voice 4: that last when was that cut the field last time i didn't find a variance permit for that setback

[1:11:41] Voice 4: On the east side of the property, Island Health has confirmed that they have a record of the

[1:11:49] Voice 4: set-up on the property.

[1:11:52] Voice 4: What waste management system are they using?

[1:11:55] Voice 4: There's a water course along the east boundary of that property that's set up to clean

[1:12:00] Voice 4: the property.

[1:12:02] Voice 4: The exit area is plainly visible here.

[1:12:05] Voice 4: Is there waste management

[1:12:06] Voice 4: that isn't causing pollution?

[1:12:12] Voice 4: Mr. Chair, there are three properties side by side that deal with waste management

[1:12:20] Voice 4: The Eastside property has no septic system and there is water working on it.

[1:12:30] Voice 4: The Westside property has a 12-year-old septic system used in the same field as the previous

[1:12:35] Voice 4: septic system with no retaining walls, offering additional protection.

[1:12:39] Voice 4: The Appleton septic system, protected by retaining walls and recently inspected by a certified

[1:12:44] Voice 4: practitioner, reported that the field looks to be in bad condition.

[1:12:50] What have the adjacent property owners done to maintain the base management system and

[1:12:57] Voice 4: serve the public interest, which is referenced in this theory here?

[1:13:06] Voice 4: Members of the LTC, the adjacent property owners recommend you downgrade the system on the applicant's property by destroying the retained wall and building a new septic system in exactly the same location in a steep slope high out of the building.

[1:13:20] Voice 4: In other words, they want you to make the athletes and subjects more consistent with their own either non-existent or their ageing subject people.

[1:13:32] Voice 4: If that's what the neighbors mean when they demand it, you know, you can be right. Thank you.

[1:13:44] Voice 4: Hey, Trustee, thoughts, questions for staff or the applicants?

[1:13:52] Voice 3: Well, I think we've heard

[1:13:53] Voice 4: a lot of good information today.

[1:13:55] Voice 3: Yes, I concur.

[1:13:57] Voice 4: curve

[1:13:58] Voice 3: there's a lot of new information that i can do some new

[1:14:02] Voice 3: ideas

[1:14:04] Voice 4: uh i'm gonna say i really don't

[1:14:07] Voice 4: have my

[1:14:08] Voice 4: own idea i'm really uncomfortable and hard with the conversation here

[1:14:15] Voice 4: um as far as today

[1:14:17] Voice 4: i mean this is a memo of an update of the application i don't think

[1:14:21] Voice 4: we're actually voting on amendments today or anything or making any good decisions

[1:14:30] Voice 4: It's obvious to me that the PVP application needs to be changed so that it can be supported

[1:14:44] Voice 4: by the community because the opposition is overwhelming

[1:14:47] Voice 3: on it, not with the new JCPenny

[1:14:50] Voice 3: through the

[1:14:58] Voice 5: chair uh so your staff have brought this forward for an ltc to make a decision

[1:15:04] Voice 5: uh notification was done again and there is a cost of notification um so at this point staff

[1:15:11] Voice 5: would encourage the ltc to uh review the variance and either approve it outright uh remove some of

[1:15:20] Voice 5: the some of the items amend the ddp essentially and prove it as amended or just deny the application

[1:15:27] Voice 5: and the applicant would have to come back with a new application but i

[1:15:31] Voice 5: would advise again against

[1:15:33] Voice 5: um to bring this again because then there would be a third notification period um so i would

[1:15:39] Voice 5: encourage the ltc uh to look at the variance permit again perhaps and go through it step by

[1:15:46] Voice 5: that and determine if there's certain aspects that you can agree on or that certain aspects

[1:15:52] Voice 5: that perhaps you're not comfortable with and you need removed from the permit itself

[1:15:56] Voice 5: that uh i

[1:16:00] Voice 4: mean yeah yeah i

[1:16:01] Voice 4: mean i think we did get this headway

[1:16:03] Voice 4: i looked at the presentation that was made and and clearly um there were some recommendations in that

[1:16:15] Voice 4: report that I think allows us to move forward and there's some correspondence from the applicant

[1:16:22] Voice 4: and I think that allows us to move forward a bit. So first of all, we're dealing with

[1:16:27] Voice 4: the variants, not everything else. So those things don't go away, whether we approve or

[1:16:35] Voice 4: whatever we did with this variant, those things don't change. They don't go away. And I think

[1:16:42] Voice 4: the optic hypnosis. In the neighbors presentation, they did make some recommendations. One was

[1:16:53] Voice 4: to approve the variance for the dwelling. The second was to, upon removal of the roof

[1:17:00] Voice 4: of the woodshed, to approve a variance for that portion and to approve the variance for

[1:17:07] Voice 4: the septic field. So I appreciate that we did make headway. I mean, I think it was time

[1:17:12] Voice 4: time well spent. I think in correspondence with the applicant, we see that they have

[1:17:23] Voice 4: talked about removing the bump out on the accessory building. I believe that would bring

[1:17:27] Voice 4: the accessory building into compliance because it was built with a permit. I think it's the

[1:17:30] Voice 4: bump out that makes it within the setback. So if the bump out was removed on the accessory

[1:17:36] Voice 4: building, then we could leave that. I think it would follow the variance at that point.

[1:17:41] Voice 4: Is that correct?

[1:17:42] Voice 4: it

[1:17:43] Voice 5: would still be so if we right now it's cited as 1.5 meters away from the lot line

[1:17:48] Voice 5: we removed the bump out my understanding then that's 1.5 meters so then the door sorry the

[1:17:55] Voice 5: uh accessory building would be sighted three meters from the

[1:17:58] Voice 5: side lot line and the setback is six correct okay

[1:18:02] Voice 4: Okay. So I'm less concerned about the accessory building. I'm just, I, the reality is, is

[1:18:15] Voice 4: the house, as you stated, is uninhabitable. The sale of this property is going to initiate

[1:18:22] Voice 4: construction of a new dwelling. I haven't seen anybody in Montague-Sarborough buy an

[1:18:28] Voice 4: old piece of property and renovate the old house to stay there that hasn't happened yet so i'm

[1:18:35] Voice 4: pretty confident that wouldn't happen here that as soon as the property is sold a new application

[1:18:41] Voice 4: comes for a new dwelling and a lot of these issues that you that were talked about they're dealt

[1:18:48] Voice 4: they don't have any choice you're buying fulfillment a permit for a new

[1:18:52] Voice 4: dwelling and those things exist on the property you have to deal with them

[1:18:59] Voice 4: I'm prepared to pass a variance for the septic field, the house, and the woodshed.

[1:19:08] Voice 4: And I believe it would be a mistake to remove the walk wall that supports the septic field.

[1:19:18] Voice 4: You will damage that septic field.

[1:19:21] Voice 4: You will do more harm removing the wall than you would leaving it.

[1:19:28] Voice 4: right now i know um the neighbors probably disagree with that but um but if you go around

[1:19:42] Voice 4: any words in one you are and you see all the retaining walls that are used for exactly the

[1:19:47] Voice 4: same purpose right this is not uncommon there is nowhere else to put this subject field on

[1:19:52] Voice 4: this lot if you move it back you're getting too close to the well you can you end up under the

[1:19:58] Voice 4: dwelling, the septic field has to be here. So those are my comments, and so I'll look through

[1:20:05] Voice 4: Lisa to see whether we have a path over here. It's great having you three. If you're thinking

[1:20:11] Voice 4: that if we had a new one, we'd probably be here this afternoon. So I'd like to find out why we

[1:20:16] Voice 4: would grant the variance for that. And with the septic field in that location, there is space.

[1:20:23] Voice 4: within the setback made a little map besides there is space to put the drain field that's not

[1:20:30] Voice 4: that's not in in any of the setbacks side setback for the dpa um this is a hard application

[1:20:40] Voice 4: i understand some people involved this community involved public interest involved but also our

[1:20:46] Voice 4: mandate the preserve attack is involved as well and i think that would be best served by denying

[1:20:54] Voice 4: Okay,

[1:20:56] Voice 2: thank you for that. I have a question of clarity. There's some suggestion of approving parts of the variance, which would be essentially amending the application and then approving it as amended.

[1:21:11] Voice 2: um just so that everyone in the room understands the if that were the case then the um parts that

[1:21:21] Voice 2: were not varied would still be outstanding in terms of uh in terms of bylaw vulnerability uh to

[1:21:30] Voice 4: um enforcement that's up

[1:21:32] Voice 5: absolutely yes the bylaw doesn't

[1:21:35] Voice 4: doesn't go away and of course

[1:21:37] Voice 4: or that doesn't change with the owner uh that's a new owner in fact okay just wanted to confirm

[1:21:42] Voice 4: that in a public sense yes can i make it just uh press media um Lisa's comment about moving

[1:21:52] Voice 4: the septic field and having it still within that app uh if the the septic fields can't go

[1:21:59] Voice 4: like aggressive property because there's a well on the property so i sat and reported

[1:22:03] Voice 4: or like I know just right now the field is 30,

[1:22:06] Voice 4: I think 30.2 meters from the well,

[1:22:09] Voice 4: but we can get anywhere else,

[1:22:11] Voice 4: it would be non-climbing at the campus.

[1:22:19] Voice 3: I have a septic test within,

[1:22:20] Voice 3: or

[1:22:21] Voice 4: I have a well within this septic,

[1:22:22] Voice 3: set back for

[1:22:23] Voice 4: my septic as well,

[1:22:24] Voice 4: and you could do it.

[1:22:26] Voice 4: You need to get a hydrogel, I guess.

[1:22:30] Voice 4: So if you go out and go,

[1:22:32] Voice 4: is this a permanent, this will be an appropriate?

[1:22:41] Voice 3: There is a path there.

[1:22:45] Voice 4: be considering your time about what you'd like to do uh i would we cannot approve the various

[1:22:57] Voice 4: that decision you remove the septic i'm not saying i don't know really i think that's what

[1:23:04] Voice 4: that question is kind

[1:23:05] Voice 3: of holding i

[1:23:06] Voice 4: think i believe the question is whether or not we

[1:23:08] Voice 4: approve discriminants okay so i'm comparing two um different approaches here one is to

[1:23:17] Voice 4: to deny the application today.

[1:23:19] Voice 4: The other one is to actually amend it.

[1:23:22] Voice 4: So maybe Ben, you could lay out a little bit more.

[1:23:28] Voice 4: Okay, I'm gonna lean on you, Kim.

[1:23:31] Voice 4: This-

[1:23:31] Voice 4: I'm ready.

[1:23:33] Voice 4: And I'll make a motion to amend the variance.

[1:23:37] Voice 4: Yep.

[1:23:39] Voice 4: To include the septic field

[1:23:42] Voice 4: and the one retaining wall for the septic field.

[1:23:52] Voice 4: Leave the building in there.

[1:23:55] Voice 4: the dwelling even though i think it's irrelevant

[1:23:58] Voice 3: um

[1:23:59] Voice 4: i believe we've had good faith on

[1:24:03] Voice 4: the neighbors to look at this property and and to you know um see what's practical

[1:24:12] Voice 4: um so the the woodshed at the top removes remove the roof and include it in the variant

[1:24:22] Voice 4: so keep the so to improve the siting of the woodshed

[1:24:25] Voice 4: no not as is with them with that portion of the roof removed okay

[1:24:35] Voice 5: yep so what we could do is it's called the covered storage area so we'll say uh removal okay

[1:24:43] Voice 5: yeah and

[1:24:44] Voice 4: to include the accessory building with the bump out removed

[1:24:49] i think

[1:25:02] Voice 4: the extent of the variance that i would have moved right today

[1:25:05] Voice 4: day so i'm not sure how that would read so

[1:25:09] Voice 5: um what it would read is something like and i'm just

[1:25:14] Voice 5: going to make sure that our minute taker carly gets this as well carly's with us i'm just going

[1:25:22] Voice 5: to go back uh so you would say something along the lines of that the galliano island local trust

[1:25:29] Voice 5: trust committee amend GLDBP 2023.5 by amending section 2C1 to include the words without the

[1:25:48] Voice 5: storage area after pump house building. So what that would mean is you're approving the

[1:25:57] Voice 5: woodshed pump house um within 0.0 meters of the front line front lot line but

[1:26:03] Voice 5: without the storage

[1:26:05] Voice 5: covered area

[1:26:05] Voice 5: and also by amending section two two d one um by increasing

[1:26:21] Voice 5: just what i'm saying by increasing or changing 1.5 meters to 3.0 meters

[1:26:30] Voice 3: yeah which

[1:26:31] Voice 5: um and by amending the site plan by deleting or shifting by deleting

[1:26:40] Voice 5: the bump out

[1:26:41] Voice 5: i think that would be okay and then the second motion would be then to approve the

[1:26:48] Voice 5: the uh permit as

[1:26:51] Voice 5: amended that

[1:26:54] Voice 2: should so just for clarity i'll

[1:26:57] Voice 4: come over too just so we know

[1:26:58] Voice 4: just for clarity what are we including and what's not these yeah so we what you're

[1:27:05] Voice 4: waiting for here that

[1:27:09] Voice 5: you would be amending section two c i for one by adding the words

[1:27:21] Voice 5: without covered

[1:27:25] Voice 4: storage

[1:27:27] Voice 5: area so it would be the existing woodshed pump house without covered

[1:27:34] Voice 5: storage area within zero meters of the front lot line and by amending section sorry

[1:27:45] Voice 5: section 2d1 by changing the number 1.5 to 3.0 meters

[1:27:55] Voice 5: which

[1:27:56] Voice 4: then and

[1:28:00] Voice 5: and by deleting the bump out from schedule a the site plan

[1:28:05] Voice 5: right so those are what i have okay yeah okay

[1:28:11] Voice 3: okay

[1:28:21] Voice 4: so so then those are those that's the extent of

[1:28:24] Voice 4: the the changes um that you're promoting yes okay so everything else is going to be there

[1:28:34] Voice 1: well i am

[1:28:35] Voice 1: i'm not if there

[1:28:36] Voice 4: anything you're removing that's what i want

[1:28:38] Voice 1: to do oh

[1:28:38] Voice 4: i see i'm going to remove

[1:28:40] Voice 4: the top of the rock home where it says um one by the house rock all by the house yeah we just we

[1:28:48] Voice 4: want to get our i i don't think it's irrelevant because of the new telling us that's what i had

[1:28:52] Voice 4: okay yeah that's what that is so uh which section is that in so kim which

[1:29:00] Voice 4: which rock wall are you are you calling that western northern or southern yeah that's a good

[1:29:04] Voice 4: question let

[1:29:05] Voice 3: me just see which

[1:29:07] Voice 4: top will you look for okay so that's that portion there so

[1:29:27] Voice 4: maybe they're referring to yeah yeah

[1:29:32] Voice 5: so when did it stand from the south

[1:29:34] Voice 5: out so if you remove so if we're removing two d three they would uh the property owners would

[1:29:45] Voice 5: have to move, remove that portion here.

[1:29:48] Voice 3: Yep. Okay.

[1:29:49] Voice 5: Carly, that was the removal of section two.

[1:30:00] Voice 5: Do you

[1:30:11] Voice 1: want me to read the final motion?

[1:30:14] Voice 4: Yes, please.

[1:30:15] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:30:16] Voice 1: That the Galleon Island Local Trust Committee amend GLDBP 2023.5

[1:30:21] Voice 1: by amending section 2C1 by adding the words

[1:30:25] Voice 1: without the storage area after pump house building

[1:30:27] Voice 1: and also by amending section 2D1 by changing 1.5 metres to 3.0 metres

[1:30:34] Voice 1: and by amending the site plan by deleting the bump out from Schedule A

[1:30:39] Voice 1: and the removal of section 2d3 yes i

[1:30:47] Voice 5: made for the chair yes can

[1:30:49] Voice 5: i make a friendly amendment

[1:30:50] Voice 5: to add the word covered before the word storage so it's without the covered storage area just

[1:30:58] Voice 5: so we're really clear okay

[1:31:22] Voice 3: okay yes

[1:31:25] Voice 1: thanks got it

[1:31:28] Voice 4: okay that's the motion all right uh

[1:31:32] Voice 4: uh the mood here in a second you do not have a second so we can continue the discussion here um

[1:31:59] Voice 4: and i think it would encourage others to be the same

[1:32:07] Voice 3: okay

[1:32:09] Voice 4: i would just say i mean we deal with variances all the time every trust committee

[1:32:16] Voice 4: deals with them all the time and the reason being is sometimes on lots you end up in situations

[1:32:21] Voice 4: where there is no other alternative as the building changes as um regulations change

[1:32:26] Voice 4: regulations receptive bills regulations would affect everything you always deal with variances

[1:32:31] Voice 4: so this is not uncommon this has a lot of stuff on it this piece of property this is not solving

[1:32:37] Voice 4: by any means, probably 80% of that stuff. We understand that. But it is being reasonable

[1:32:47] Voice 4: in the two months that we allowed this to go back to the neighbors and back to the owners.

[1:32:54] Voice 4: They both recommended some adjustments to allow us to approve some of this variance.

[1:33:00] Voice 4: And so that's why I'm making the motion to approve a portion of this variance.

[1:33:11] Voice 4: okay um so i'll

[1:33:15] Voice 2: just say yes this is this is complex there's a lot there's a lot of living

[1:33:18] Voice 2: pieces here

[1:33:19] Voice 4: um and i appreciate the uh the approach to try and try and get uh some of the

[1:33:30] Voice 2: stuff um i'll admit i'm having

[1:33:35] Voice 4: uh trouble supporting the motion um perfect isn't just

[1:33:43] Voice 4: the substantial amount of different including pieces here and also um there

[1:33:49] Voice 2: are a lot of um

[1:33:53] Voice 2: opposition to the the variance uh application um folks day and the last time that we considered it

[1:34:04] Voice 4: so uh yeah i i can't support this today and um so if there's nothing further then

[1:34:15] Voice 4: go ahead and vote so all in favor and opposed so the motion fails so we're still um

[1:34:30] Voice 4: in the best situation here um we have not approved the uh the suggested motion or the uh amendment

[1:34:44] Voice 4: and appreciate them trying to get us there

[1:34:48] Voice 2: and that being the case um is there other action that

[1:34:56] Voice 2: the trustees are prepared to take today as

[1:35:02] Voice 4: far as that direction i mean the last time i believe that

[1:35:07] Voice 4: there's still room for this to breathe a little bit there's still room for this to

[1:35:12] Voice 4: breathe a little bit i think we heard a lot of new material today

[1:35:15] Voice 3: um

[1:35:20] Voice 4: well we heard a lot of new new ideas a lot of information presented

[1:35:26] Voice 4: presented in regards to the application yeah yeah so i'd like to see some good

[1:35:34] Voice 3: consideration for maybe making some changes

[1:35:36] Voice 3: at this

[1:35:43] Voice 4: point

[1:35:44] Voice 5: in time for the applicants sake i think it's giving them exactly what type of

[1:35:49] Voice 5: improvements or information you're looking for is important just to be as clear and transparent as

[1:35:55] Voice 5: possible yeah yeah um

[1:35:59] Voice 3: if

[1:36:04] Voice 4: you find it's hard for me uh to deny this application but i think that might

[1:36:09] Voice 4: be the best way to do that i

[1:36:16] Voice 3: think that would be that way you

[1:36:20] Voice 4: said just that you know i didn't

[1:36:26] Voice 4: catch what you just said i've been trying to deny your application but i

[1:36:30] Voice 4: think that's the most

[1:36:31] Voice 4: reasonable project for

[1:36:34] Voice 3: the specific so just

[1:36:40] Voice 2: for clarity and i know we've heard from from staff

[1:36:44] Voice 2: that it's um

[1:36:45] Voice 4: in terms of the cost for uh consideration of deferral you spoke to that

[1:36:53] Voice 4: earlier um and uh and i think i'm hearing from from trustee gabriel that uh um that you're

[1:37:06] Voice 4: you're considering

[1:37:07] Voice 2: denial rather than um yes

[1:37:11] Voice 6: uh

[1:37:12] Voice 2: deferring it but uh back to the cost question

[1:37:15] Voice 4: if it's denied then it's then there would require a whole new application correct that's right the

[1:37:20] Voice 5: applicant couldn't reapply until she's hurting i would have to check for variance permits

[1:37:26] Voice 5: if they're denied i'd have to double check with robert perhaps that means absolute denial and

[1:37:31] Voice 5: the only option would then to go to the board of variance so i just had to double check that

[1:37:36] Voice 5: for a moment i know with rezoning applications you can come back for one year it's in one of

[1:37:42] Voice 5: our policies i'm just going to double check for the variance i believe that the ltc does deny

[1:37:46] Voice 5: nine that means the applicant has to comply with the land use bylaw or their other option is to go

[1:37:53] Voice 5: through a board of variance but a board of variance is only looking at minor differences

[1:37:57] Voice 5: or if there's a hardship um i

[1:38:01] Voice 4: will just double check that one moment

[1:38:04] Voice 4: okay

[1:38:05] Voice 2: uh trustee do you want to take 10 minutes

[1:38:09] Voice 2: to

[1:38:09] Voice 4: do what who's going to track what you're

[1:38:11] Voice 4: going to see here's that oh okay

[1:49:26] Voice 2: There are snacks over there.

[1:49:26] Voice 2: And Pat, I thought you'll be able to let us know the advice you got back there, please.

[1:49:31] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:49:31] Voice 5: I did check with the director, Stephen Cermak, and if a DDP is denied, the only option for

[1:49:39] Voice 5: the applicant is to either comply with the bylaw or they have the option to apply for

[1:49:45] Voice 5: a board variance.

[1:49:46] Voice 5: So that is the,

[1:49:48] Voice 4: so a

[1:49:50] Voice 4: confirmation from the director regarding that.

[1:49:54] Voice 4: they can't

[1:49:55] Voice 4: come back a year down with

[1:49:56] Voice 5: the exact same application

[1:49:58] Voice 4: certainly but

[1:50:00] Voice 3: they could come

[1:50:00] Voice 4: back with

[1:50:00] Voice 3: a different yes

[1:50:02] Voice 4: yeah exactly how different is something guys we don't have

[1:50:07] Voice 4: precise clarity on so my question to staff would be um if the septic field is in the place it has

[1:50:14] Voice 4: to be and there is no way to put it on the property substantially they wouldn't be able

[1:50:21] Voice 4: able to come back for a variance yes for

[1:50:23] Voice 4: that septic field again yes so so

[1:50:27] Voice 4: they effectively

[1:50:27] Voice 4: couldn't put in the septic field yes

[1:50:29] Voice 5: that's my understanding okay

[1:50:31] Voice 4: and then

[1:50:32] Voice 2: also just uh another

[1:50:33] Voice 2: question is um related to that if the lpc

[1:50:38] Voice 4: chose to grant the variance on the septic field portion

[1:50:45] Voice 4: portion, and not the others, is that, how would we set that up in it?

[1:50:51] Voice 5: Yeah, so what, again, we would, the LTC would consider amending the permits of what to include,

[1:50:57] Voice 5: what to change, what to remove, and then anything that's been denied, the applicant would have

[1:51:04] Voice 5: to then comply to the bylaw, or they can come back with a board of variance option. But

[1:51:10] Voice 5: I think it would make more sense at this point for the LTC really to look at the permits

[1:51:15] Voice 5: and think about things that you really feel comfortable about supporting.

[1:51:20] Voice 5: And it sounds like perhaps keeping in Section 2B1 would be one of the things.

[1:51:30] Voice 4: 2B1, yes, thank you for that.

[1:51:35] Voice 4: Yeah, so in our

[1:51:36] Voice 4: discussion, I would support keeping in 2B1 as a variance.

[1:51:40] Voice 4: I'm going to put forward a motion to amend the variance to 2B1

[1:51:49] Voice 4: because clearly we don't have a path forward on anything else.

[1:51:52] Voice 4: We may not have a path forward on that,

[1:51:55] Voice 4: but if we don't support 2B1,

[1:52:00] Voice 4: this property cannot have a septic shield again.

[1:52:05] Voice 4: I hope everybody understands that.

[1:52:08] Voice 4: So it's one thing to deny and to say you can do something different,

[1:52:13] Voice 4: but yeah, I'm talking.

[1:52:14] Voice 4: But the reality is,

[1:52:19] Voice 4: to handcuff a piece of property to not be allowed to have a second view

[1:52:25] Voice 4: with it's not appropriate and we're not talking about the rock walls

[1:52:29] Voice 4: we're just talking about the subject here the location is effective yes yeah so i'm prepared

[1:52:36] Voice 4: to make a motion yeah i don't think that's i don't agree with that property there's plenty

[1:52:42] Voice 4: of places before the second period that is not working probably disagree but i'm going to make

[1:52:52] Voice 4: a motion to amend the development permit to include only 2b1 okay so

[1:53:01] Voice 2: i'll just check with

[1:53:01] Voice 2: our recorder did you get that further yes

[1:53:04] Voice 1: 2d1 right b

[1:53:06] Voice 2: b

[1:53:07] Voice 1: okay okay thank you thank you okay so

[1:53:11] Voice 2: moved and i will second that motion

[1:53:14] Voice 4: um further discussion i think i said what i had to say

[1:53:18] Voice 4: um i

[1:53:19] Voice 5: just want to bring back and remember trustee maberly that you did support the retaining wall

[1:53:24] Voice 5: that supports the septic field would you want to keep that portion into this variant

[1:53:30] Voice 4: i'd love to

[1:53:30] Voice 4: but i think um the chair was was not comfortable with that and we can you know keeping the location

[1:53:39] Voice 4: of the septic field is important however state how it stays there going forward regardless of

[1:53:47] Voice 4: the retaining walls is something that can that's fluid the location of the septic is not fluid

[1:53:54] Voice 4: my only fear through the chair by me is removing

[1:53:57] Voice 5: that retaining wall could greatly affect the

[1:54:01] Voice 5: stability of that area because we don't have information you know what happens if we remove it

[1:54:07] Voice 5: there could be detrimental effects on that so it may be one aspect so that we're training while

[1:54:13] Voice 5: the ltc may really want to consider keeping that in as well to ensure the stability of the septic

[1:54:18] Voice 5: field okay

[1:54:20] Voice 4: this is very clear it's not supporting and which one was that please remind me is that

[1:54:43] Voice 5: 2D4,

[1:54:44] Voice 4: 2A1, and effectively also have to include the 3.3 meters to the interior side of the

[1:54:56] Voice 4: lines would also be 2d4 it would be 2d4 to a one one two eight one and d four and

[1:55:10] Voice 5: there would also

[1:55:11] Voice 5: be a portion of that wrong wall that would that sits within the setback to the western side lot

[1:55:19] Voice 5: line and currently the applicant is requesting to vary it to 0.4 meters the ltd can be considered

[1:55:27] Voice 5: to increasing that setback.

[1:55:29] Voice 5: So they would have to remove the portion,

[1:55:31] Voice 5: this portion of the retaining wall

[1:55:33] Voice 5: next to the accessories building,

[1:55:35] Voice 5: perhaps keeping a portion that supports the septic field,

[1:55:41] Voice 5: well, touching the septic area.

[1:55:44] Voice 4: I mean, the reality is, is that portion of the rock wall

[1:55:47] Voice 4: that goes on along that side is the stability of it.

[1:55:50] Voice 5: Okay, so then you wouldn't have to worry perhaps then

[1:55:52] Voice 5: about approving.

[1:55:54] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[1:55:55] Voice 5: it

[1:55:55] Voice 4: would just be the front wall to the septic field the

[1:55:59] Voice 5: front and then would that also like

[1:56:01] Voice 5: i mentioned include this are you worried about this portion right here

[1:56:05] Voice 4: yeah the portion that's

[1:56:07] Voice 4: 3.3 yeah yeah okay so

[1:56:09] Voice 5: just to clarify then so we're keeping it potentially considering keeping

[1:56:16] Voice 5: begin two a one uh two b one and two d four 54

[1:56:27] Voice 4: yeah okay i'll just check with the recorder

[1:56:31] Voice 4: to see if you've got those items i

[1:56:35] Voice 1: do yeah thank you

[1:56:37] Voice 4: okay um anything further to the motion

[1:56:42] Voice 4: no okay i will call the question then all those in favor and any votes and that carries

[1:57:01] Voice 4: so you've

[1:57:03] Voice 5: just amended the permit so the permit now looks um you just have the two eight one

[1:57:09] Voice 5: the two two b one and the two d four four that's what the permit looks like now so

[1:57:16] Voice 5: So what you would be doing is you'd be approving the variance as amended.

[1:57:23] Voice 5: And an example of that motion, it's in the previous staff report, so I can read it out loud if you like.

[1:57:33] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:57:34] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:57:35] Voice 5: So it would be that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of GLDVP 2023.5 spoons.

[1:57:49] Voice 5: as amended you

[1:57:53] Voice 4: got the carly yes

[1:57:55] Voice 1: i did thank you

[1:57:56] Voice 4: i'll make that you will make that motion

[1:57:58] Voice 4: okay uh we'll second that uh any further discussion no okay i'll call the question all in

[1:58:07] Voice 2: favor any opposed and that carries okay that brings us to

[1:58:16] Voice 4: 15.3 which is covenant ca 3 3 2 1

[1:58:25] Voice 4: 0 9 6 request version exemption yes and then there's a staff report on page 72.

[1:58:34] Voice 5: so this staff report is just to provide an overview of a request from a property owner

[1:58:39] Voice 5: a lot to Camerama Lane. A section 219 was registered on the property when the parcel

[1:58:47] Voice 5: property was being subdivided and the purpose of the second one of the purposes of this covenant

[1:58:52] Voice 5: was to identify and protect a wetland property. So the covenant states that no trees may be

[1:59:02] Voice 5: may be removed without fire rate approval from the ltc because of the current bc hydro

[1:59:10] Voice 5: hole the property owner is wanting to cross a portion of the wetland not actually install

[1:59:18] Voice 5: install a pc hydro pole in the wetland but remove one of the trees um if that and to or in order to

[1:59:28] Voice 5: do that the property owner needs approval from the ltc if this approval is denied then the other

[1:59:36] Voice 5: secondary location of the bc hydro line in would potentially result in a loss of about 35 trees

[1:59:45] Voice 5: so the property owner has come forward unfortunately they are unable to make it today

[1:59:50] Voice 5: but they have put together a letter that's attached to this memo and some of their pictures

[1:59:56] Voice 5: and they're requested to move forward.

[2:00:00] Voice 5: trees from that left area so staff have took to get put

[2:00:04] Voice 4: a motion board the ltc managed to

[2:00:07] Voice 4: consider and that's on page 72. okay trustees any questions um i have a question about the tree

[2:00:17] Voice 4: What kind of trees are they?

[2:00:24] Voice 4: And who will be taking the trees down?

[2:00:28] Voice 5: I

[2:00:28] Voice 4: don't have that information, unfortunately.

[2:00:30] Voice 4: I just want to make sure to be careful with that.

[2:00:33] Voice 4: It looks like the trees are right close to the road,

[2:00:38] Voice 4: so it looks like they don't need to fall into that.

[2:00:50] Voice 4: up absolutely

[2:00:52] Voice 5: uh we do have the pictures before and

[2:00:55] Voice 5: staff will be visiting property numerous times which i think

[2:00:59] Voice 5: hangs

[2:00:59] Voice 4: yeah we uh we missed uh we picked down four trees but we did a lot more

[2:01:06] Voice 4: Otherwise, it doesn't provide any support for hydros through that area.

[2:01:13] Voice 4: I think that the LTC, that when they passed the subdivision, knew there would be fruit

[2:01:19] Voice 4: future development, and this is just one of those moving things.

[2:01:23] Voice 4: So I think I would offer this one.

[2:01:28] Voice 4: Yeah, I went out and looked at the site.

[2:01:31] Voice 4: Actually, most of the trees, except the one over, can be felled onto the adjacent property

[2:01:37] Voice 4: then the owner's property so should be no no effect for the wetland at all and just the one

[2:01:43] Voice 4: holder going into the you know by the road right by the road there um and if we go slide down the

[2:01:49] Voice 4: next pole to pole c it it's a significant slot the trees that have to come out there so um

[2:01:56] Voice 4: you want to make a motion sure i've got it in front of me oh

[2:02:01] Voice 3: that'd be good yeah okay

[2:02:03] Voice 4: make a motion that the gallagher and wyland trust committee approves the removal of four

[2:02:07] Voice 4: trees from the wetland area on block two as shown on schedule a of the covenant ca3321096

[2:02:15] Voice 4: so moved and a second with the second any further discussion no okay i'll call the

[2:02:23] Voice 4: question all in favor and that motion carries okay next up we move into the report section

[2:02:36] Voice 4: uh active projects report is on jla 93 and anything from staff on that or questions from

[2:02:48] Voice 4: trustees and then a future project supports on 95 anything on that i just wanted to highlight

[2:02:57] Voice 4: the uh is listed as one of the earliest people um item number one we've been talking a lot about

[2:03:08] Voice 4: that it's been on there since 2012. yeah long-standing issues yeah okay we have application

[2:03:17] Voice 4: Publications report on page 96.

[2:03:22] Voice 4: Any questions around any of those?

[2:03:26] Voice 4: No, there's no explanation on that one whether the explanation is there or not, it's fine.

[2:03:32] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:03:34] Voice 4: And local trustee and local expense report on page 105, anything there?

[2:03:40] Voice 4: Could we at some point get a breakdown of our expense report?

[2:03:47] Voice 4: Like what everything is spent on?

[2:03:49] Voice 5: Yeah, absolutely.

[2:03:49] Voice 5: Absolutely. I believe when staff sends out the PDF, I believe there's a breakdown on the second or third page. It's not actually included in the agenda, but I can forward that to you.

[2:04:01] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:04:05] Voice 4: And on page 106, we have the adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[2:04:12] Voice 4: Okay. Anything regarding the local trust committee webpage? No?

[2:04:21] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:04:23] Voice 5: I'm going to make a little announcement.

[2:04:26] Voice 5: The Pilots Trust is in the process of adopting new application processing software.

[2:04:35] Voice 5: So we're hoping that this will increase efficiency for applications

[2:04:40] Voice 5: and there will be a portal in which applicants can actually then directly apply online.

[2:04:46] Voice 5: online. So in terms of the website, there may be some changes when you look under the

[2:04:54] Voice 5: applications form and guides that will happen in the next few months.

[2:04:57] Voice 5: But I'll also provide

[2:04:59] Voice 5: more updates as we go. I'm sure they're like anything with new software, there'll be a

[2:05:02] Voice 5: little hiccups as we go, but things may look a little different. And our application reports

[2:05:09] Voice 5: will look a little bit different as well.

[2:05:14] Voice 4: Okay, thank you for that. Next up is the Highland Trust Conservancy report, starting on page 112. Elisa, do you have anything to add?

[2:05:28] Voice 4: I'd like to share the IDP. It was a pleasure for me to introduce two requests for decisions at our last meeting.

[2:05:35] Voice 4: items pertaining

[2:05:36] Voice 4: to the uh camera's associate chair smith is a board member

[2:05:41] Voice 4: one item was the tripoli sanctuary uh the groundwater monitoring request is about the

[2:05:51] Voice 4: installation of monitoring equipment uh the galliano conservancy association is implementing

[2:05:56] Voice 4: a water conservation project in galliano island to gain more data on groundwater availability

[2:06:03] Voice 4: utility and usage from private wells. They aim to encourage the installation of water meters to

[2:06:13] Voice 4: collect data and to set up a mid-island observation well to complement the two provincial wells that

[2:06:21] Voice 4: are both located at the south end of Galliano. And the other

[2:06:25] Voice 4: item was Galliano Service Sea

[2:06:27] Voice 4: association of wedding

[2:06:28] Voice 5: requests for the 2024 salish seed conservation um

[2:06:35] Voice 4: this was a funding

[2:06:36] Voice 4: for uh three five hundred dollars to support the conservancy and boc and upcoming region

[2:06:42] Voice 4: uh for conservancies and other constellations and i'm happy to report that both rfp were approved

[2:06:52] Voice 4: great thank you lisa any any other comments or questions around the report here today

[2:06:58] Voice 4: okay okay uh that takes us to new

[2:07:01] Voice 2: new business and this is coming from me uh this is about the

[2:07:07] Voice 2: meetings that i discussed earlier one is with the crd on marine issues on april 30th

[2:07:15] Voice 4: and the other

[2:07:16] Voice 4: being the moti meeting which they hopefully establish the task force on april 29th um a

[2:07:24] Voice 4: A little bit to my surprise,

[2:07:25] Voice 4: I was informed in an executive committee

[2:07:27] Voice 4: that travel expenses for media attendees meetings

[2:07:31] Voice 4: must be approved by the local trust committees involved.

[2:07:35] Voice 4: I would have actually really thought,

[2:07:37] Voice 4: especially the MOTI meeting

[2:07:38] Voice 4: would be an executive type expense,

[2:07:42] Voice 4: but I was informed that I needed to come

[2:07:44] Voice 4: to the local trust committees

[2:07:45] Voice 4: and request to cover my travel expenses

[2:07:51] Voice 4: to go to those two meetings.

[2:07:55] Voice 4: i know that pretty sure that i sent both of you also the invites as well um and i think in that

[2:08:05] Voice 4: context i'm not aware of either of you are hoping or planning to travel um to either of those

[2:08:11] Voice 4: meetings but if that is the case then uh maybe you would consider a motion to uh cover the travel of

[2:08:20] Voice 4: of any of the Galliana local trustees that wanted to attend.

[2:08:25] Voice 4: That would cover everything that

[2:08:27] Voice 2: we're hoping to go to those.

[2:08:28] Voice 2: And then my understanding is that for my chair travel,

[2:08:36] Voice 2: assuming that Salt Spring also

[2:08:39] Voice 4: agrees to cover that,

[2:08:41] Voice 4: then it would be split between the LTCs.

[2:08:45] Voice 4: So that's the basis of bringing you this item.

[2:08:55] Voice 4: I think it's a great idea

[2:08:56] Voice 3: I

[2:09:00] Voice 4: look forward to an update I tend to I plan to attend but I'm

[2:09:10] Voice 4: going to attend to it honestly okay I can't on the Tuesday for sure for the CRD for the

[2:09:15] Voice 4: CRD what yeah I did receive an email from my letter about parking yeah

[2:09:24] Voice 4: I've heard a summary, but I'll always put it as a sex trustee report.

[2:09:29] Voice 4: But I'm

[2:09:30] Voice 4: sure the material will represent the modeling working issues that we're having.

[2:09:38] Voice 2: We

[2:09:38] Voice 4: have a list of emails about this flow.

[2:09:40] Voice 4: I just wanted to highlight one of the emails that talked about accessibility carving.

[2:09:46] Voice 4: I thought, hey, what a great idea for modeling.

[2:09:50] Voice 4: maybe and maybe there is a big crap scenario down here but i don't think it's uh there's a

[2:09:56] Voice 4: manager yeah but i guess i prepared a vote okay and then just want to check in with you ben are

[2:10:04] Voice 4: you hoping to go to either of those well i was i'm going for the 30th regardless i i okay as

[2:10:10] Voice 4: soon as i didn't buy it you already noticed saying i'm gonna be there and then i'm up on

[2:10:14] Voice 4: the dog commission as well so okay makes sense to attend that meeting you got to deal with this all

[2:10:20] Voice 4: the time um i wasn't planning on charging for it or collecting for travel or anything i do respect

[2:10:29] Voice 4: the fact that you have a lot farther to go and this travel for you is not the same as travel

[2:10:34] Voice 4: for me yeah clearly that's true um my only question is is why aren't why isn't this being

[2:10:41] Voice 4: funded by the whole trust area and not just two islands that doesn't make any sense i absolutely

[2:10:48] Voice 4: agree i mean i think that the uh

[2:10:51] Voice 2: the crd meeting is okay it's specific to the southern gulf islands

[2:10:57] Voice 2: right yeah it should be to my mind it should be the southern gulf islands collectively supporting

[2:11:02] Voice 2: it yeah um and then the the moti it should be the trust area i mean to my mind but i i was told that

[2:11:10] Voice 2: that

[2:11:10] Voice 4: exactly what we don't know this is going to have to be held by by each ltc um so not that

[2:11:19] Voice 4: makes no sense to me

[2:11:20] Voice 2: it doesn't make

[2:11:21] Voice 4: sense to me so i mean i i'm just prepared to say that hey you

[2:11:25] Voice 4: know that the galliard trust committee uh request funding from the executive committee for you to

[2:11:31] Voice 4: attend these meetings but uh i i just don't get why two islands should be paying the shot

[2:11:38] Voice 4: for representation for right yeah

[2:11:42] Voice 4: i i mean i i totally agree i i was actually a bit dumbfounded

[2:11:45] Voice 4: when that was the response that i got that i needed to bring into the

[2:11:49] Voice 2: ltcs and as i say i

[2:11:51] Voice 2: mean i could sort of see that the crd one sure the northern islands are in the

[2:11:56] Voice 4: crd so there's

[2:11:57] Voice 4: no benefit to the whole trust area but you

[2:12:00] Voice 3: know

[2:12:01] Voice 4: feasibly the multi-task force is the whole trust

[2:12:04] Voice 4: area so yeah

[2:12:06] Voice 2: i absolutely agree i guess um as far as that goes follow up with what

[2:12:14] Voice 4: like what kind of

[2:12:15] Voice 4: policy that i think there's needs to be a tweak because it uh well it needs to be a

[2:12:21] Voice 4: tweet obviously

[2:12:21] Voice 1: then

[2:12:22] Voice 4: we're on the book for our travel expenses well but it should be

[2:12:30] Voice 4: but

[2:12:30] Voice 2: if the task force is formed it's going to benefit everyone it's a benefit to every island

[2:12:37] Voice 3: but

[2:12:38] Voice 2: well no no because what we're going to the way i see the motion is to send me to these

[2:12:43] Voice 2: meetings specifically these meetings and then if the task force is formed then that has to be

[2:12:51] Voice 2: that has to be a different question i would i wouldn't assume that that um approving funding

[2:12:57] Voice 2: for me to travel to these two meetings,

[2:12:58] Voice 2: except

[2:12:58] Voice 4: any other funding for any other further travel.

[2:13:02] Voice 4: I think that would need to be addressed separately.

[2:13:06] Voice 3: Agreed.

[2:13:06] Voice 3: That

[2:13:07] Voice 4: would be the way I would assume.

[2:13:08] Voice 4: Any idea what the cost would be?

[2:13:14] Voice 2: It's gonna be three overnights.

[2:13:16] Voice 2: It's probably about a hundred bucks in gas.

[2:13:21] Voice 2: So I'm gonna say probably

[2:13:26] Voice 4: about 600 bucks.

[2:13:29] Voice 4: You guys are paying for it.

[2:13:32] Voice 4: yeah and i mean conceivably unless salt spring doesn't want to pitch in which again would be

[2:13:39] Voice 4: kind of awkward because then i'm going to speak for galliano there i mean

[2:13:42] Voice 3: i don't know how that's

[2:13:43] Voice 4: going to go on thursday but again this is why i was surprised it wasn't just funded either through

[2:13:49] Voice 4: i think

[2:13:50] Voice 3: this is this is

[2:13:50] Voice 4: something that definitely should bring forward the trust council yeah

[2:13:54] Voice 3: yeah

[2:13:54] Voice 4: yeah because it does seem a little a little weird um so so i'm i'm you have a motion yeah

[2:14:02] Voice 3: and

[2:14:03] Voice 4: i think this is an opportunity for some real positive change and i think that the money will

[2:14:19] Voice 4: yeah um appreciate that i mean i sure hope this is going to be the beginning of the task force

[2:14:29] Voice 4: in terms of the multi-line um and it's all it's it's all it's on the list i mean i can

[2:14:38] Voice 4: pop up what they're suggesting the topics of the day are but that's looking at the letter

[2:14:43] Voice 4: of agreement and looking into establishing a task force is basically the main the main business i

[2:14:50] Voice 4: would also add that um if there's specific items like beyond montague arbor i'm obviously very

[2:15:00] Voice 4: fairly well acquainted with the public sentiment on that but if there's other ones that need to

[2:15:05] Voice 4: go to moti or the crp um that i i would you know be happy to take any of that um those topics to

[2:15:15] Voice 4: bring in an address there that's that's the point of me going yeah if i may it was pointed out

[2:15:22] Voice 4: earlier in town hall that uh sometimes community doesn't get back i think building this relationship

[2:15:35] Voice 3: okay okay all right i

[2:15:38] Voice 4: knew that the

[2:15:39] Voice 5: gallery and local

[2:15:39] Voice 4: trust committee authorized budget

[2:15:41] Voice 4: an allocation for chair peterson's attendance to the ministry of transportation and infrastructure

[2:15:47] Voice 4: meeting on april 29th and the collaboration on marine issues crd meeting on april 30th in

[2:15:55] Voice 4: victoria covering travel and

[2:15:58] Voice 5: accommodations okay

[2:16:01] Voice 4: so moved we'll go ahead exactly so okay

[2:16:13] Voice 4: yeah no i mean like i say i'm going to be there at the on the 30th so um yeah you know i'm not

[2:16:23] Voice 4: sure

[2:16:23] Voice 2: i'm going to add to that meeting well i i know i mean this is one of these things right

[2:16:29] Voice 2: because there's there's galliano and there's salt spring and i know salt spring um i know

[2:16:37] Voice 4: uh trustee patrick's not able to make that meeting um and you know from the salt spring perspective

[2:16:44] Voice 4: eddie's harbor is oh yeah

[2:16:47] Voice 2: you know if you know why if

[2:16:49] Voice 4: you know why salt spring needs

[2:16:51] Voice 4: some representation there yeah okay i'll second that all right you already seconded

[2:16:55] Voice 4: i have a second i'll go find i'll go

[2:16:57] Voice 4: ahead and call the question

[2:16:58] Voice 4: okay i'm not curious thank you very much

[2:17:06] Voice 4: sorry

[2:17:06] Voice 3: good morning

[2:17:07] Voice 4: right yeah dude i'm

[2:17:10] Voice 4: happy to punch you

[2:17:16] Voice 3: we'll all be there anyway

[2:17:19] Voice 3: well

[2:17:21] Voice 4: you're you're going to turn the left right you're going to come in person

[2:17:24] Voice 4: um yeah and i mean there's no reason you might have cast out some motion to cover your traffic

[2:17:29] Voice 4: i wasn't going to charge for it anyways okay fair enough all right uh the next meeting a

[2:17:39] Voice 2: regular meeting is scheduled for may 14th uh right here at south hall and uh we have another

[2:17:46] Voice 2: ten hall scheduled uh for today so um yes

[2:17:51] Voice 4: i wonder if i could make a quick very quick

[2:17:54] Voice 4: talk about adam olson's visit sure i

[2:17:56] Voice 4: forgot to mention it during my trustee report but adam

[2:17:59] Voice 4: wilson will be doing a community meeting right here on friday april 19th so that's 10 days from

[2:18:06] Voice 4: now adam wilson will be in the house well okay thank you for that reminder and

[2:18:12] Voice 2: so i'll just

[2:18:14] Voice 2: look to the members

[2:18:15] Voice 4: of the public uh yes

[2:18:16] Voice 4: sir yeah uh i just want to get a bit of clarification about

[2:18:21] Voice 4: about the eastern wall of the septic field on the Schoonz.

[2:18:28] Voice 4: I gather now that that's to be left.

[2:18:33] Voice 4: I'm not sure about that,

[2:18:35] Voice 4: but that's the impression I'm getting.

[2:18:37] Voice 4: And I just would hope that, well, and for my opinion,

[2:18:41] Voice 4: if that could be lowered by four feet, three or four feet,

[2:18:46] Voice 4: Because A, it's the edifice that represents the building, and it's too close to our property line.

[2:18:55] Voice 4: So, A, I wouldn't mind if they could back away a bit more, you know,

[2:19:02] Voice 4: squeeze back a bit more and lose a couple more feet, and it wouldn't be such an eyesore.

[2:19:10] Voice 4: you know and i think it would probably still accommodate you know numerous toilets or

[2:19:17] Voice 4: showers or whatever on your property and just a reasonable condensation you know of uh

[2:19:27] Voice 4: making it a little more compact and a bit lower that would that that would be okay with you know

[2:19:35] Voice 4: then it's not in my face with lawn coming through the grill of the acre fence because that's you

[2:19:44] Voice 4: know as they call it in law the reasonable man test and a reasonable person would expect to

[2:19:51] Voice 4: not see lawn you know high up in the sky the way we are now i mean obviously we've approved

[2:19:59] Voice 4: variance at this point so we're well past that except you know that the owners of the property

[2:20:04] Voice 4: they're here and hopefully they're

[2:20:06] Voice 4: here on you and

[2:20:07] Voice 4: it would be

[2:20:10] Voice 1: just

[2:20:10] Voice 4: a little more accommodative for us

[2:20:12] Voice 4: you know it would be nice

[2:20:13] Voice 4: my duty is to

[2:20:16] Voice 4: sell the property

[2:20:18] Voice 4: so future owners

[2:20:19] Voice 4: I would imagine

[2:20:21] Voice 4: even the location and everything would make

[2:20:24] Voice 4: them some pretty significant

[2:20:26] Voice 4: leaders

[2:20:29] Voice 3: one

[2:20:29] Voice 4: thing that really is

[2:20:31] Voice 4: vital

[2:20:33] Voice 4: and

[2:20:33] Voice 4: And I mean, the LTC has thankfully approved the septic area because it is, given the well-look,

[2:20:41] Voice 4: it is the only location for septic.

[2:20:45] Voice 4: I fully expect that a new owner is going to make their own self on that property and not

[2:20:55] Voice 4: necessarily maintain what's in it.

[2:20:59] Voice 4: Well, one can only hope, I guess, you can put it in that category.

[2:21:02] Voice 4: one. Which one are you talking about? The eastern, the eastern style of septic, you know, the rockery

[2:21:13] Voice 4: that's back and holding it up. And I just thought maybe if that could be adjusted somewhat it would

[2:21:24] Voice 4: be certainly better for us, you know, because it's kind of an awkward seven this way from a neighbor's

[2:21:32] Voice 4: morning exactly what are you what are you seeing are you talking well without the fence we just

[2:21:40] Voice 4: see an edifice with lawn about nine feet in the air which occasionally cars would be barking but

[2:21:48] Voice 4: there is a bullpen there yeah there's a fence uh-huh but no cars would be carving

[2:21:55] Voice 4: we've made a

[2:21:56] Voice 4: i'm just going

[2:21:57] Voice 3: to suggest this

[2:21:58] Voice 4: conversation in a different world

[2:22:04] Voice 3: yeah

[2:22:04] Voice 4: yeah so i'm gonna look and see if there's thanks a lot yeah yeah

[2:22:11] Voice 2: i just kind of look and

[2:22:11] Voice 2: see if there's anyone else that wants to get further into the trust committee today

[2:22:17] Voice 2: i'm not seeing hands go up so uh i'll call for a tournament

[2:22:21] Voice 4: all those in favor

[2:22:24] Voice 4: and thank you uh everyone down south atlas there lisa and carly and for helping us out here with

[2:22:34] Voice 4: that technical

[2:22:35] Voice 3: stuff today i've

[2:22:37] Voice 4: got one more

Galiano Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
April 9, 2024 ADOPTED Page 1 of 6 
Galiano Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
April 9, 2024 
Galiano South Community Hall 
141 Sturdies Bay Road, Galiano Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Ben Mabberley, Local Trustee 
 Lisa Gauvreau, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator (electronic) 
 Carly Bilney, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were approximately 12 members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations.  
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee Gauvreau provided a report that acknowledged the April 9
th
 anniversary of Vimy Ridge 
Day as well as the accomplishments of former Lieutenant Governor Iona Campagnolo. Trustee 
Gauvreau also commented on recently held Trust Council and Governance Committee meetings 
she attended and noted a desire to make the Trustee office a more vibrant meeting place. 
 
Trustee Mabberley acknowledged Bill Campbell and Joanne Mackay, and provided updates on 
the provincial Secondary Suite Incentive Program and correspondence regarding parking at 
Montague Harbour. 
 
4. CHAIR'S REPORT 
In his report, Chair Peterson commented on: 
 
 a request for proposals that has gone out for an Executive Search Firm to seek a 
replacement for the Island’s Trust Chief Administrative Officer 
 upcoming meetings with the Association of Vancouver Islands Coastal Communities 
(April 12-14), the Capital Regional District (April 30), and the Ministry of Transportation 
and Infrastructure (April 29) 
A D O P T E D 

  
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5. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT – None  
6. FIRST NATION REPORT 
Trustee Mabberley reported that representatives of Penelakut Tribe are looking forward to 
meeting with staff and Trustees soon regarding applications. 
 
7. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Town hall was held and the following comments were made: 
 Trustees were urged to press upon safety issues, particularly the repainting of centre 
road lines, with their contacts in the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
 Concern was expressed that Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure staff have 
been lacking in communication with citizens in multiple jurisdictions about regional road 
issues 
 Concern was expressed at staff recommendations to approve GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) 
as it may set a negative precedent 
 Questions were raised about how the BC Supreme Court’s decision regarding the 
Scoones property relates to the current variance application (GL-DVP-2023.5) 
 The applicant for GL-DVP-2023.5 noted the original executor worked closely with Islands 
Trust staff to clarify variances and it has taken time for the alternate executor to take 
over management of the property 
 
8. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
9. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
10. MINUTES 
10.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated February 13, 2024 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Galiano Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of 
February 13, 2024 were adopted. 
10.2 Section 26 Resolutions Without Meeting Report – None 
10.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – None 
11. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
11.1 Follow-up Action List Dated April 2024 
Received for information.  
  

  
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12. DELEGATIONS 
12.1 Adjacent Property Owners re 3307 Montague Road 
A representative of some property owners living adjacent to 3307 Montague Road 
(subject property in GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones)) reviewed the presentation as included in 
the agenda on pages 12–33.  
13. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
14. MEETING BREAK – COMMUNITY UPDATE – None  
15. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
15.1 GL-DVP-2024.1 (Mossman) - Staff Report  
On behalf of Phil Testemale, Island Planner Stockdill reviewed the staff report related to 
GL-DVP-2024.1 (Mossman). The following comments were made: 
 
 The septic drain field is in two different locations, in the engineer’s schematic 
and in Figure 2 on the site plan, because adjustments were made after the 
applicant engaged with neighbours 
 If the building was sited 30 metres from the natural boundary of the sea, it 
would no longer be on the applicant’s property 
 
GL-2024-006 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Galiano Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of GL-DVP-
2024.1 (Mossman). 
CARRIED 
15.2 GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) - Staff Report 
On behalf of Planner Belcher, Island Planner Stockdill reviewed the staff report related 
to GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones). The following comments were made: 
 
 Has already gone through the legal process to request compliance; it is now the 
owner’s responsibility to comply with the infractions 
 The applicant addresses the majority of court orders in the proposed 
development variance permit application except the rock wall; a future owner 
would have to comply with any remaining infractions 
 Approval of the proposed development variance permit would not close the 
enforcement file 
 As executor of the previous owner’s estate, the applicant is required to sell the 
property 
 Concern was expressed about destroying the septic field in the process of 
removing the retaining wall, particularly given its proximity to Montague 
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 Opposition was expressed against moving the septic field 
 It was suggested that returning the land to its natural state may not be possible 
 Support was expressed for denying the application as approval would set a 
negative precedent 
 Support was expressed for amending the application with recommendations 
proposed in the neighbours’ presentation and by the applicant 
 
GL-2024-007 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee amend GL-DVP-2023.5 by:  
 Amending section 2c)i by adding the words “without the covered storage area 
after pump house building,”   
 Amending section 2d)i by changing 1.5 meters to 3.0 meters, and  
 Amending the site plan by deleting the bump out from Schedule A, and  
 The removal of Section 2d)iii. 
DEFEATED 
Trustee Mabberly Opposed 
 
Discussion ensued and comments were made about how it is important that the Local 
Trust Committee clarify exactly what type of improvements are required by the 
applicant. 
 
A break was held from 2:39 p.m. - 2:50 p.m. 
 
Discussion continued and the following comments were made: 
 
 If a development variance permit application is denied, the applicant’s options 
are to comply with the Land Use Bylaw or apply to the Board of Variance 
 The subject property cannot have a septic field if the variance in Section 2b)i 
(that allows for the existing sewage absorption field within 7.3 metres of the 
natural boundary of the sea) is not supported 
 A septic field should be placed elsewhere 
 If the existing septic field is permitted to remain, concern was expressed about 
removing the rock wall that borders it 
 
GL-2024-008 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee amend GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) to 
only include 2a)i, 2b)i and 2d)iv. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Gauvreau Opposed 
GL-2024-009 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of GL-DVP-2023.5 
(Scoones) as amended. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Gauvreau Opposed 

  
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15.3 Covenant CA3321096 – Request for Exemption – Staff Report 
Island Planner Stockdill reviewed the staff report related to Covenant CA3321096.  
 
GL-2024-010 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee approve the removal of four trees 
from the Wetland Area on Lot 2 as shown on Schedule A of the Covenant 
CA3321096. 
CARRIED  
 
16. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
17. REPORTS 
17.1 Work Program Reports 
17.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated April 2024 
Received for information. 
17.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated April 2024 
Received for information.  
17.2 Applications Report Dated April 2024 
Received for information. 
17.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. It was noted that staff sends out a breakdown of the expense 
report to Trustees. 
17.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
17.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
Island Planner Stockdill commented on the introduction of a new application processing 
software to increase efficiency of applications, and noted some changes will be coming 
to the application section of the website in the coming months.  
17.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated Jan 2024 
Received for information. Trustee Gauvreau commented on the Galiano Conservancy 
Association’s implementation of a water conservation project and request for funding 
to host the 2024 Salish Sea Conservation Forum. 
 
  

  
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18. NEW BUSINESS 
18.1 Chair Peterson re Funding Request for Meetings 
 
Chair Peterson commented on how funding the attendance of Trustees at upcoming 
meetings with the Capital Regional District (April 30) and the Ministry of Transportation 
and Infrastructure (April 29) is a decision of the Local Trust Committee. Discussion was 
held that raised questions about why these meetings were not being funded by the 
whole Trust area since the proposed discussions could benefit all Southern Gulf Islands. 
GL-2024-011 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee authorize budget allocation for Chair 
Peterson’s attendance at the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
meeting on April 29, and the collaboration on marine issues Capital Regional 
District meeting in Victoria on April 30, covering accommodation and travel 
expenses.  
CARRIED 
 
It was noted that Adam Olsen will be hosting a community meeting on Friday, April 19 at 
the South Galiano Community Hall. 
19. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
19.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for May 14, 2024 at the Galiano South Community 
Hall, Galiano Island 
20. TOWN HALL  
Town hall was held during which one community member spoke to request that the eastern 
wall of the septic field on the subject property in GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) be lowered. 
 
21. CLOSED MEETING – None 
22. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:23 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Tim Peterson, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
_________________________ 
Carly Bilney, Recorder