Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 23, 2024

[0:03:12] Voice 11: I didn't go full screen.

[0:03:14] Voice 11: Sweet.

[0:03:29] Voice 10: Oh, there's a lot of.

[0:03:36] Voice 10: Oh, it's not the O.P.F.

[0:03:38] Voice 10: It's a lot to pick me up, you know?

[0:03:39] Voice 10: Oh, I don't think so.

[0:03:42] Voice 10: I don't think we're going to live.

[0:03:44] Voice 10: Yeah, no, but it might have to switch the state.

[0:04:02] Voice 22: if

[0:04:03] Voice 9: um lisa wants to switch us to

[0:04:06] Voice 9: just rename this

[0:04:09] Voice 10: the meeting

[0:04:15] Voice 23: is live streaming

[0:04:23] Voice 10: I think so.

[0:04:44] Voice 10: Lisa

[0:04:45] Voice 22: wants to switch us to.

[0:04:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So good

[0:05:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): morning everyone,

[0:05:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry about the delay, we did a little software upgrade.

[0:05:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): So welcome to the Gabriella and Local Trust Committee meeting.

[0:05:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): My name is Peter Ruffin, I'm the chair of the committee, I'm elected on Cedis Island

[0:05:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the Penelaguan Latch and Territory.

[0:05:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it's been a start of introductions today

[0:05:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): with we have some guests from the name of First Nation.

[0:05:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've got Elder Geraldine Manson.

[0:05:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for joining us today.

[0:05:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And Elder Max Settler.

[0:05:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): And thank you very much for joining us today.

[0:05:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we have Staff Member Hannah Holstein here as well.

[0:05:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So really appreciate you being here with us today.

[0:05:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we have a place on the agenda

[0:05:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): agenda for you to address the local trust committee as local government to local government

[0:05:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and and then we have application on the agenda day today that I know you're interested in

[0:05:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we are going to advance it up the schedule because I know you're committed to have some

[0:06:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): other commitments today and so we'll go advance that up to immediately after the public comment

[0:06:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): period so if that's all right I'll go to introductions here we've got Toby Elliott

[0:06:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): good morning toby good morning everyone toby elliott

[0:06:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we got uh susan yates good morning

[0:06:19] Voice 9: everyone um just want to say how grateful i am to be living and working in the new york territory

[0:06:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay and now on the staff side we've got renee jamara our regional planning manager and stephen

[0:06:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): bauer part of the planner and joining us online also elected sorry vanessa is uh vanessa craig

[0:06:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm Director of the Nanaimo Regional District and Electoral Area Director for Gabriola.

[0:06:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so thank you for joining us today.

[0:06:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): I know that you're also short of time today, but I'm glad you can be here to start the meeting.

[0:06:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[0:06:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I have an agenda before us, and I'll just ask if there's any amendments or deletions from the agenda.

[0:07:05] Voice 9: We want to switch around the applications.

[0:07:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, we're just going to proceed with that.

[0:07:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't need to amend the agenda we can adjust the agenda as seen fit and so immediately after public

[0:07:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): comment period we will go directly to applications and we'll go to 8.2 um and then we'll return to

[0:07:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): our regular um scheduled um events that's all right okay so um then i'm going to adopt the

[0:07:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): agenda as uh presented by general consent and again acknowledging that we're meeting here on

[0:07:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Coast Salish Territory broadly across the Alamance Trust but specifically here it's the name of

[0:07:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): territory and really honoured and humbled to be here. So trustee reports is the first item and

[0:07:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll turn to the trustees to let us know what's going on.

[0:07:54] Voice 9: Thank you Trustee Elliott, thank you

[0:07:56] Voice 9: Chair Leckert. I'll try to be as quick as possible going from the more general to the local.

[0:08:03] Voice 9: On Saturday March 4th we attended a really interesting forum on Salt Spring Island on

[0:08:10] Voice 9: collaborative politics and the title was collaborative politics are possible and

[0:08:16] Voice 9: the two guest speakers were Adam Olson MLA for Saanich North and the islands

[0:08:22] Voice 9: and Christine Boyle a Vancouver City Councillor since 2018 and I've been

[0:08:28] Voice 9: following Christine's work for a number of years I know who she is through other

[0:08:32] Voice 9: avenues and I love how she reaches across party lines to get things done I

[0:08:38] Voice 9: I also really appreciate how Adam Olson does the same thing.

[0:08:41] Voice 9: So listening to the two of them for about 45 minutes

[0:08:45] Voice 9: and then listening to the audience's questions

[0:08:48] Voice 9: on how do we get more collaborative politics

[0:08:51] Voice 9: as we currently spiral downwards in a polarized society

[0:08:56] Voice 9: was really helpful.

[0:08:58] Voice 9: And so

[0:08:59] Voice 9: I left that meeting feeling quite uplifted.

[0:09:04] Voice 9: Next thing to report on was

[0:09:07] Voice 9: It was April 24th meeting between the Executive Committee of the Islands Trust and the Islands Trust Conservancy, and both Trustee Elliott and I are board members.

[0:09:20] Voice 9: I thought it was a great meeting, and we were addressing the climate change and what Trust Council and what the Conservancy can do to always keep climate change at the forefront of our deliberations.

[0:09:36] Voice 9: and that's really important to me that was a great meeting um to briefly mention and i'm sure my

[0:09:45] Voice 9: fellow trustees will too that our next trust council meeting june 18th to 20th is on salt

[0:09:51] Voice 9: spring and that will be the 50th anniversary of the island's trust there will be a transport

[0:09:58] Voice 9: canada presentation on abandoned vessels i'm sure that will be interesting

[0:10:02] Voice 9: And there'll be delegations and public comments at that meeting.

[0:10:07] Voice 9: I do believe some pretty influential people have been invited from those nations and other

[0:10:16] Voice 9: government agencies, and I hope they're able to come to that meeting.

[0:10:21] Voice 9: I have fond memories of the 20th anniversary of the Edmunds Trust when I was a trustee

[0:10:28] Voice 9: at that time.

[0:10:30] Voice 9: So I'm sometimes amazed but very glad that Ireland's Trust has survived all these years.

[0:10:39] Voice 9: Let's see, oh next thing I should mention is our May 30th, the update and draft policy statement

[0:10:46] Voice 9: that is the guiding bylaw for the whole Ireland's Trust area. It guides our official community plans.

[0:10:52] Voice 9: We will have an online discussion, an all-day online discussion of that. It is of course the

[0:10:57] Voice 9: This is the policy statement that has not been updated in 30 years and so he's sorely lacking in topics like reconciliation and climate change and affordable housing. So I'm looking forward to that.

[0:11:14] Voice 9: Now down to the more local. I'm looking forward to May 31st visit of some Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:11:26] Voice 9: staff who will be monitoring the three covenants that they are a part of on Ile d'Ivoire Island.

[0:11:33] Voice 9: That would be Bruins Acres, Cokes Marsh and Siouxeen Spey Nature Reserve and I'll be joining

[0:11:41] Voice 9: and I'll be meeting Emily McLean who's a third-year biology student and a co-op student

[0:11:47] Voice 9: who's working with the Islands Trust Conservancy. I'm always so glad we meet when the budget approves

[0:11:53] Voice 9: a co-op student because we get more than we get more more than our worth when we

[0:12:01] Voice 9: Lastly, I

[0:12:05] Voice 9: am on a fairy advisory committee, and we have been struggling with BC Fairies to, since they decided that they're not going ahead with the terminal upgrades until at least 2028,

[0:12:24] Voice 9: eight we have been struggling with them to just get them to do some safety upgrades on the

[0:12:31] Voice 9: neighborhood terminal side some lines painted a crosswalk better lighting um and it seems to me

[0:12:39] Voice 9: that the only thing that's happened to date i could be wrong is that they they painted the new

[0:12:45] Voice 9: motorcycle staging lines but we did ask for that as well we do have a meeting a public meeting

[0:12:51] Voice 9: scheduled for this location on June 25th where apparently we are going to be

[0:12:58] Voice 9: discussing immediate changes to terminal safety. So after almost a year and a half

[0:13:05] Voice 9: we think this could be happening. I'm looking forward to that. I expect that

[0:13:12] Voice 9: Regional District Chair Vanessa Craig will talk about the parks and open

[0:13:17] Voice 9: in the spaces advisory committee meeting that we had a couple of weeks ago it was a great meeting

[0:13:23] Voice 9: it's a really good team of staff and gabriel community representatives i'm not going to those

[0:13:29] Voice 9: meetings and i was um very happy to hear about the discussion on the field access options for

[0:13:38] Voice 9: all sorts of people young people old people everybody to play more field sports on gabriela

[0:13:45] Voice 9: less so it's it's looking like everyone's working towards um an all-weather practice field to be

[0:13:53] Voice 9: developed at Willamal Clay and that was a unanimous vote and we're part of the LOSAC

[0:13:59] Voice 9: committee so that was great I'm looking forward to that and it looks like perhaps there will be

[0:14:04] Voice 9: other possibilities for an improved play space area as we go through the Master of Arts plan

[0:14:11] Voice 9: And as we go through the Gabriel official community climate as well, and my my happiness, I think my happiest news of that meeting was that the planned 707 community park wildfire mitigation demonstration will be discontinued.

[0:14:29] Voice 9: To because there's apparently other much more effective wildfire mitigation strategies to implement.

[0:14:35] Voice 9: from it. So I'm really glad. I was not happy about that. And the new village way path needs

[0:14:45] Voice 9: signage to discourage adult cyclists to stay off the path, because it's really meant for

[0:14:54] Voice 9: pedestrians and scooters. So I'm sure that will happen. And lastly, I did write a letter

[0:15:04] Voice 9: with regard to the veritory multi-property on Gabriel Island,

[0:15:10] Voice 9: but I will address that later when this is also on the agenda.

[0:15:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[0:15:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much, Trustee Yates.

[0:15:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Elliott, over to you.

[0:15:19] Voice 9: Sure. Thank you, Chair.

[0:15:21] Voice 9: It's a very short report.

[0:15:24] Voice 9: I continue to participate in our CAO hiring committee,

[0:15:27] Voice 9: as all members of the executive are.

[0:15:32] Voice 9: The draft policy statement, thank you for mentioning that, it's a phenomenal document,

[0:15:40] Voice 9: so I was grateful to be sent a full, or the works with all the supporting materials, which,

[0:15:49] Voice 9: so this is on the public agenda for May 30th, the really significant part is that it, to

[0:15:57] Voice 9: to my view, centers the perspectives and the voices of Indigenous people who have given us

[0:16:04] Voice 9: their input and comment. And so, as Susan said, this hasn't been updated in 30 years.

[0:16:11] Voice 9: Most of the bylaws that we have, OCPs, do not sufficiently reference the rights of Indigenous

[0:16:18] Voice 9: peoples. And so this is a significant rewrite. It is only the first draft. But again, it was put

[0:16:26] Voice 9: put together with input from members of First Nations who chose to comment, to participate,

[0:16:34] Voice 9: and then trustees will have a look at it. And then it's going to go for public comment. This

[0:16:38] Voice 9: is going to be a very long process. So this is not a first. Nobody needs to get jumping up and

[0:16:44] Voice 9: down. But it's the first iteration. We have to have something to look at to be able to debate.

[0:16:51] Voice 9: And so that's happening May 30th. So I encourage you to go to the website, look under meetings, and then you'll find it in the agenda there.

[0:17:03] Voice 9: Locally, as we've had last month's LTC meeting, we really focused on the much community issues.

[0:17:14] Voice 9: I was pleased to listen to a much whole town hall meeting April 27th and I just want to report out that it was excellently facilitated.

[0:17:24] Voice 9: They have some really great representation from a community group that's formed through an election process.

[0:17:31] Voice 9: And so I'm looking forward to working with them as we move through sort of the bylaw amendment policy process with staff.

[0:17:42] Voice 9: so they're advancing that and they're very keen to work with trustees so it was a very positive

[0:17:48] Voice 9: meeting um and then we have coming up for our community a very significant event oceans day

[0:17:57] Voice 9: on june 8th will be hosted on this the name of the first nation loser number five

[0:18:05] Voice 9: ocean day is on june 8th um and that will be on uh the sfn reserve number five and that's jointly

[0:18:15] Voice 9: organized by cinema first nation and dfo and so there will be cooked fish i believe and bannock

[0:18:23] Voice 9: and presentation even demonstrations lots for the kids to do i went last year and they

[0:18:29] Voice 9: They demonstrate a remote-operated robot vehicle that went underwater and does baseline mapping.

[0:18:38] Voice 9: And then the FFN Marine Division will be there and sharing what they do in their projects.

[0:18:45] Voice 9: So I was going to ask if staff, perhaps we could have any of our staff present.

[0:18:52] Voice 9: It is a Saturday to sort of make connections.

[0:18:55] Voice 9: and as we go into our OCP review this might be the opportunity to build some relationship

[0:19:01] Voice 9: and learn about SFN's priorities with marine and foreshore work so that's sort of just flagging

[0:19:09] Voice 9: that for the future and another event later in the month I've been asked by the name of Elder

[0:19:18] Voice 9: or Gary Manson if I'd be if the Gabriela community would be willing to um host a fundraiser for

[0:19:26] Voice 9: the tribal journeys that um close every year and so I said yes of course and so I'll be helping to

[0:19:34] Voice 9: organize that uh and the date is set now for June 28th and so that's a Friday before the long weekend

[0:19:43] Voice 9: before everybody well hopefully um the beach won't be too crowded um and the plan is to have shifts

[0:19:51] Voice 9: of um families and youth go out in the canoe uh skippered by um adam's son uh i believe adam

[0:20:01] Voice 9: sorry gary's son adam and really to share some stories on the land and stories about this place

[0:20:08] Voice 9: and what tribal journeys is all about and what that is it's it's it's a they provide this cultural

[0:20:15] Voice 9: practice of coastal indigenous nations um that travel from community to community and going south

[0:20:22] Voice 9: and they have um families and teams in canoes going to different communities in that over 10

[0:20:30] Voice 9: days and this year they're landing in pullay up washington so they're looking to raise about

[0:20:35] Voice 9: ten thousand dollars and so the gabriel community we're going to do an event and um we'll do our

[0:20:41] Voice 9: part to uh to support this important youth initiative it's going to be at twin beaches

[0:20:48] Voice 9: 28 yeah so it'll be fun um putting together yeah so lots happening and i think that's it for my

[0:21:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I actually have very little to add to what the local trust committees have provided with respect to what's going on in the Allens Trust area as well as here, of course.

[0:21:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And certainly the policy statement is exciting work and the recruitment of a new CAO for the Allens Trust is a big challenge for us, a time for opportunity for change.

[0:21:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're looking forward to that um and so that's uh concludes really anything that i have to offer

[0:21:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): really uh a pleasure and honor for me to be here i'm going to go to electoral area director vanessa

[0:21:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): craig who's joined us online here so you might want to speak up and to make sure everybody in

[0:21:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): the room can hear you um

[0:21:40] Voice 5: thank you chair luckham and uh thank you for letting me join in i'm

[0:21:44] Voice 5: joining you from the shared traditional territories of the sunni namak and snanaas first nation um

[0:21:50] Voice 5: So I did provide a written report, which Trustee Yates, actually, a lot of it was just focused on the POZAC discussions.

[0:22:00] Voice 5: And so Trustee Yates covered the top two issues that I identified.

[0:22:08] Voice 5: Also, I neglected to put in there just that we're looking to move forward with taking over management of all of our points.

[0:22:18] Voice 5: Moti got a jump on us and has unfortunately removed the picnic tables, but we'll be trying

[0:22:24] Voice 5: to get those replaced as soon as possible. But because of ordering timelines, it might be up to

[0:22:31] Voice 5: a couple of months, unfortunately. The last thing I just wanted to flag for you was just that we're

[0:22:37] Voice 5: entering into a phase with the potential. We're going to be looking for community input over the

[0:22:43] Voice 5: next few months about the or adding yard waste to the organic waste cart so um as you as you know

[0:22:51] Voice 5: when we have the green waste organic cart um the rdn is allowed now that you can top it top it up

[0:22:57] Voice 5: with yard waste and we've actually been hearing quite a bit of feedback even from people on

[0:23:01] Voice 5: gabriola that are interested in potentially being able to expand that so um we're going to be doing

[0:23:09] Voice 5: analyses. And it's actually interesting because they track all of the quantities of green waste

[0:23:16] Voice 5: that go to the depot in Nanaimo. And it's a significant increase. So people seem to be

[0:23:23] Voice 5: taking advantage of that, which has all sorts of fire smart benefits. And so over the next few

[0:23:30] Voice 5: months and with community input, there'll be a survey done later in the year. We'll be assessing

[0:23:35] Voice 5: whether or not people would be interested in the option to have larger carts where they could put

[0:23:39] Voice 5: but even more yard waste in them.

[0:23:41] Voice 5: And I know that it's not universal.

[0:23:43] Voice 5: Some people really like to keep their yard materials

[0:23:47] Voice 5: and compost it and develop that on island,

[0:23:50] Voice 5: but there's a significant amount of interest,

[0:23:54] Voice 5: not just elsewhere in the RDN,

[0:23:56] Voice 5: which is, but also on Gabriola of people

[0:24:00] Voice 5: who are interested in being able to do that as well.

[0:24:03] Voice 5: So again, thank you for allowing me to join you

[0:24:06] Voice 5: and sorry i'm having to join in remotely today well

[0:24:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you very much for um taking the time

[0:24:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): to join us today um so we have a standing item on our agenda um for first nations reports and

[0:24:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): nations to speak to the local trust committee about issues that are important to them and

[0:24:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): very pleased and honored to have elders general dean manson and elder max settler and staff member

[0:24:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): member Hannah Poulsen joining us today and so this is your opportunity on the agenda to address the

[0:24:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): local trust committee of issues of importance to you and also the application that is on our agenda

[0:24:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): today associated with Center Stage Holdings subdivision and this would be your opportunity

[0:24:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): to speak to that so I'll turn the floor over to you if you want to introduce yourself or just

[0:24:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): speak to issues that would be fantastic so I'll let you determine who wants to go first

[0:25:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): My

[0:25:04] Voice 1: name is Max Settler. I'm a member of the Elders Advisory Group and I'm with First Nations

[0:25:11] Voice 1: here for observation and interpretation. I used to deal with this matter a long time ago,

[0:25:19] Voice 1: 20-25 years ago. I assume the problem is still the same. The developer that wants to go ahead

[0:25:27] Voice 1: had with these projects and First Nations group

[0:25:30] Voice 1: was cultural concerns, styling these procedures.

[0:25:35] Voice 1: So I assume that's the matter we're discussing today,

[0:25:40] Voice 1: same as it was 20 years ago,

[0:25:42] Voice 1: and probably not progressed anymore as 20 years ago.

[0:25:47] Voice 1: Hopefully today we'll bring about some resolve

[0:25:50] Voice 1: or a point towards resolve.

[0:25:53] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:25:54] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:26:03] Voice 8: My traditional name is Satasya. As you know, Geraldine Manson, I too am here to represent

[0:26:15] Voice 8: Sunaimo Advisory Council. As Max mentioned, he is an elder that sits on this advisory group for

[0:26:27] Voice 8: person, Emo, as I, who hold the importance of this advisory group is to hold knowledge,

[0:26:35] Voice 8: history, within our traditional territory.

[0:26:40] Voice 8: And yes, we are here with our landsperson, Hannah.

[0:26:47] Voice 8: And through all the documents, like my elder, Max, has mentioned, 20 years, 20 years plus,

[0:26:56] Voice 8: us, that this issue is still at the forefront of us, like a thorn in your side, or no resolution

[0:27:07] Voice 8: of coming together as one, not smote. This land that we are discussing is very important

[0:27:17] Voice 8: important to us. It is land that it had inland, it had burials at the block, where one still

[0:27:30] Voice 8: is in the crevice of the rock. I only know the history of this because I was part of

[0:27:36] Voice 8: that repatriation of those remains and how we were called there to take them, but also

[0:27:47] Voice 8: and also the spirituality of the land and the bluffs below the land and above.

[0:27:55] Voice 8: This land base, yes, it now has the ownership of an individual who owns a land.

[0:28:07] Voice 8: And at times we felt that they're taking the land and taking it as their land.

[0:28:15] Voice 8: land. However, we as Indigenous people, the Soliquin tribe, who goes back in time, they

[0:28:26] Voice 8: chose this space for burial. They chose this space because of the spirituality and significance

[0:28:34] Voice 8: of the land, which we believe is still with us. We believe everything our Soliquin ancestors

[0:28:46] Voice 8: has just left us the evidence of what takes place in this space it is disheartening to know that

[0:28:58] Voice 8: this whole conversation's been at the forefront and nothing's been dealt with what covenants is

[0:29:06] Voice 8: on the mountain what is it what is it protecting i don't know but i know what a covenant is

[0:29:17] Voice 8: and to hear why I'm here because to hear the more development has been taking place on this land

[0:29:25] Voice 8: without being consulted through our leadership to our lands department where no one came together

[0:29:31] Voice 8: yes maybe a letter was sent but the protocol of something as important as this

[0:29:39] Voice 8: needs to come in person knocking on that door of our leadership we really would like to sit down

[0:29:47] Voice 8: only meet with you. And it not only goes to the ownership of the man but through the trustees

[0:29:54] Voice 8: because there has been vehicle.

[0:30:00] Voice 8: cracks where Cova Coa happens. First and second readings taking place. Was the nation involved?

[0:30:11] Voice 8: Were they part of that discussion? No. We, the Salaquan ancestors, who we are the descendants of,

[0:30:23] Voice 8: stay out. False Narrows, a village claim, includes this area. But it shows me the disrespect

[0:30:38] Voice 8: that is not acknowledged. So name of unceded territory of this island. Because it's not

[0:30:48] Voice 8: only this space, but right around the island is evidence of the journey of the Soliquin

[0:30:54] Voice 8: people, our ancestors. So we would like to come at the forefront to be in discussion as always.

[0:31:08] Voice 8: We do have a strong team working in this area and we want to be acknowledged in that.

[0:31:19] Voice 8: I could go further, but I'll leave it up there.

[0:31:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for joining us today,

[0:31:30] Voice 10: bringing

[0:31:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): us this important message in your care for the

[0:31:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): loved ones that are on the land here.

[0:31:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so I want to move into a public comment period now.

[0:31:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Pardon me.

[0:31:49] Voice 19: Excuse me.

[0:31:50] Voice 19: Sorry to interrupt.

[0:31:52] Voice 19: My name is Conchatsia.

[0:31:54] Voice 19: I just wanted to point out that our guests have modestly explained to us the work that

[0:32:04] Voice 19: they do, but we do have in our presence a former chief and an honored representative

[0:32:11] Voice 19: from Snuneymo, who is a published author, and I think that that brings into high relief

[0:32:17] Voice 19: the significance of the words, and I just didn't want to miss the opportunity by passing

[0:32:23] Voice 19: that over.

[0:32:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for that. Yeah, appreciate you reminding us of that and the significance of

[0:32:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): this moment where Max will join us today. So, and I don't know if Hannah Olson, if you want to say

[0:32:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): anything at this time or not.

[0:32:44] Voice 9: Yeah, I can't hear. My apologies,

[0:32:51] Voice 3: I'm pretty soft spoken.

[0:32:52] Voice 3: perhaps if you stood up not to put you on the spot

[0:32:57] Voice 22: um

[0:32:59] Voice 3: yeah my name is Hannah Paulson apologies

[0:33:01] Voice 3: um some lights off spoken at times um I just wanted to echo what um Geraldine and Max shared

[0:33:08] Voice 3: with us um we have responded to this uh referral this application and um it's the nation's position

[0:33:16] Voice 3: that do not consent to this subdivision being approved by Islands Trust and yeah like there

[0:33:28] Voice 3: has been a very long history with this property in this place and you know the ties to the land

[0:33:41] Voice 3: predate the establishment of Islands Trust. The presence of settlers on this island

[0:33:53] Voice 3: dates back thousands of years since time immemorial. So I'm looking forward to hearing

[0:34:01] Voice 3: what will be presented by Islands Trust and I just again echo what Geraldine and Max shared with us.

[0:34:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Hannah. Thank you for you and your colleagues work on this file. It's important for us that this is being undertaken. We certainly have received it in kind and looking at it very closely. And we'll be discussing it further today.

[0:34:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Shall I proceed to the public comment period?

[0:34:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we're going to go to public comment period here now and um if there's uh our process for

[0:34:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): the honest justice if you want to speak to items that are on our agenda today um that usually has

[0:34:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): a precedent and then if there's uh items that you wish to speak to us that are in uh stream uh with

[0:34:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): us that may not be on today's agenda we're happy to hear about that and then other matters that may

[0:34:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): not be on any agenda but are within the jurisdiction of the island's trust we would like to hear from

[0:35:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): me on those subjects and always in our public meetings we ask you to respect everybody that's

[0:35:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the room and those that are joining us online and choose your words carefully and with

[0:35:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): consideration and kindness and um i'm going to turn to the floor and i see one gentleman's hand

[0:35:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): up is there anybody else at the moment that wishes to address the ltc in the first row here

[0:35:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and over on the side there all right sir i'm over to you your name speaks to the record uh scott

[0:35:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): over. So Islands Trust up

[0:35:32] Voice 17: until a couple of years ago.

[0:35:33] Voice 17: Yes, past trustee looking a little different today.

[0:35:36] Voice 17: And I'm honored to be here with our guests and I'm humbled by

[0:35:40] Voice 17: their words. I want to speak to four big picture items directed

[0:35:44] Voice 17: at the LTC and the approvals officer on the problem. Number

[0:35:48] Voice 17: one, we don't need more single user exclusive housing on this

[0:35:52] Voice 17: island housing needs assessments have shown a complete

[0:35:56] Voice 17: complete discrepancy and imbalance in the types of housing we have. We do not have affordable

[0:35:59] Voice 17: housing. Please do not. For the health of this island and the current residents and

[0:36:08] Voice 17: future residents and seniors of one age in place, this type of housing must be balanced.

[0:36:13] Voice 17: Second of all, any time pre-existing development takes place without permission, where it's

[0:36:22] Voice 17: in contradiction of the local bylaws and the provincial regulations applications to then expand

[0:36:28] Voice 17: that development should not be seen until the land is returned to its prior state and those

[0:36:33] Voice 17: vital considerations and and all that intensive destructive work has been rectified or dealt with

[0:36:41] Voice 17: that's not the case uh third third of all uh as a

[0:36:46] Voice 1: member of the

[0:36:46] Voice 17: former ltc uh we sent a letter

[0:36:49] Voice 17: It's on the public record saying there are conditions that must be met, including the

[0:36:53] Voice 17: consent of the nation.

[0:36:54] Voice 17: Those conditions have not been met.

[0:36:56] Voice 17: You must live up to that letter, as must the developers and the Google officer.

[0:37:00] Voice 17: That's not the case.

[0:37:03] Voice 17: And then the big one is the 2005 decision to trade this land, all of the pressure that

[0:37:10] Voice 17: we feel as decision makers with, here's the checklist that you must do, and then everything

[0:37:15] Voice 17: must proceed.

[0:37:16] Voice 17: see, it's all layered on top of a disrespect going back to 1874,

[0:37:23] Voice 12: right,

[0:37:25] Voice 17: that we've got

[0:37:27] Voice 17: all these regulations that we feel that we must live up to, we haven't lived up to our

[0:37:32] Voice 17: initial word and treat. So it's disingenuous and disrespectful in the extreme to now come

[0:37:38] Voice 17: and say, we have to do this because they've met these pieces of what we haven't met, we

[0:37:44] Voice 17: in the doctoral room and if this goes forward and this is a message for trusts and the province

[0:37:52] Voice 17: and everything i will spend every dollar of my personal money in this court because

[0:38:01] Voice 17: and i've heard from first-hand provincial lawyers has rights entitled and i would not be

[0:38:17] Voice 17: acting on behalf of Sinebog, they have the capacity and the care to speak for themselves.

[0:38:27] Voice 17: I want to speak for Canadians and taxpayers whose word has not been kept.

[0:38:32] Voice 17: And we've been placing this position for generation upon generation. It's kind of that stuff.

[0:38:37] Voice 17: Thank you,

[0:38:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Scott. Thank you for joining us today. In the front row here.

[0:38:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): here.

[0:38:45] Voice 21: Thank you. My name's Nancy Hetherington-Pierce. I have two comments on two separate agenda

[0:38:56] Voice 21: items. So first of all, the center stage holdings one. I'd just like to say that I strongly

[0:39:06] Voice 21: support the second recommendation of sending your comments to the provincial approving

[0:39:16] Voice 21: officer, and specifically, I would encourage you to state to that officer that they recognize

[0:39:26] Voice 21: the same impersonation's right to free, prior, and informed consent, and that their consent-based

[0:39:34] Voice 21: decision-making framework be followed before any permission for subdivision is granted.

[0:39:43] Voice 21: So that's my comment on that one.

[0:39:45] Voice 21: The other one is the Wildrose Nursery application, starting on page 38.

[0:39:53] Voice 21: And on page 42, it mentions that the applicant would establish one of the residences for affordable housing via affordable housing agreement.

[0:40:06] Voice 21: And so basically, because it says would and not perhaps or might be interested in,

[0:40:14] Voice 21: And I'm just wondering the reasons that in your proposed,

[0:40:18] Voice 21: in staff's proposed draft OCP amendment,

[0:40:23] Voice 21: there is not also included a stipulation

[0:40:27] Voice 21: that a housing agreement between the LTC

[0:40:32] Voice 21: and the owner of the property is required

[0:40:37] Voice 21: for one of the, at least or whatever,

[0:40:39] Voice 21: one of the two dwellings.

[0:40:40] Voice 21: um uh speaking as a member of the gabriel housing society that stipulation is in the

[0:40:49] Voice 21: uh ocp amendments for the paisley place property it's right in the ocp so that's a i'm using that

[0:41:00] Voice 21: as a uh a comparison so that's my question that maybe you could consider i mean i recognize this

[0:41:10] Voice 21: is just the first draft but i wanted to speak up now about it thank you okay thank you very much

[0:41:17] Voice 2: and over on the side here yeah i'm just not my name is don gallerian but the legend is my wife

[0:41:26] Voice 2: um senator told me i'm not sure if i should just make my comments at the time of the application

[0:41:34] Voice 2: you can prefer them now well

[0:41:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): we will um provide you uh of course there's two items that we're

[0:41:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): be discussing today on that section, the agenda one is your development permit, and you would

[0:41:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): have an opportunity to speak to the development permit. The referral is to us to provide our

[0:41:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): comments to the ministry, the approving officer. And so I think if you have some remarks about

[0:42:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): that, this would be the time to do that piece. All right. In

[0:42:06] Voice 2: that case, first of all, to

[0:42:08] Voice 2: to Geraldine and Elder Settler, I'm very pleased you are here today, and I respect everything you said.

[0:42:17] Voice 2: I do wonder, I know that Geraldine was on our site, I'm not sure what year, 2002 maybe, I think Geraldine,

[0:42:28] Voice 2: with a group of dollars. I wonder, Elder Settler, if you were there, for that was, it was back a long time,

[0:42:36] Voice 2: was a great memory of my own.

[0:42:39] Voice 1: I may have been there then, four years ago again.

[0:42:44] Voice 2: You were there, I think we had you over on the last visit with several other fellows.

[0:42:50] Voice 1: Yes, Bill White.

[0:42:52] Voice 2: Well, I enjoyed the visit then, I just didn't remember the face, but I remember the visit.

[0:42:58] Voice 2: So I'm so pleased you are here, so we can hear directly from you, so we can hear from you directly.

[0:43:05] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:43:05] Voice 1: That's

[0:43:05] Voice 2: my problem with this entire issue.

[0:43:12] Voice 2: Yeah, so you'll focus your attention to us.

[0:43:15] Voice 2: I will.

[0:43:15] Voice 2: My problem with this issue is not the issues of the elders and race.

[0:43:22] Voice 2: I've been here several times and raised with all of you

[0:43:25] our

[0:43:26] Voice 2: effort for 20 years to try to understand the problem,

[0:43:30] Voice 2: to invite elders from other First Nations

[0:43:33] Voice 2: from other First Nations to have ceremonies,

[0:43:37] Voice 2: invite some animals to those ceremonies.

[0:43:41] Voice 2: I think I've had at least three visits

[0:43:43] Voice 2: with numerous elders to the site.

[0:43:46] Voice 2: We've gone through a process of discussing

[0:43:49] Voice 2: the First Nations wish to buy all or part of the land

[0:43:52] Voice 2: on three occasions.

[0:43:53] Voice 2: They have not been successful for reasons

[0:43:56] Voice 2: which I don't really understand other than

[0:43:58] Voice 2: we couldn't get to the end of the process.

[0:43:59] Voice 2: us. I think we appreciate the value of this property. I think as much as anyone can. I

[0:44:10] Voice 2: don't want to say we value it as much as the First Nation, but we understand the value

[0:44:16] Voice 2: of this property in part because of all the First Nations members who've had to share

[0:44:20] Voice 2: their understanding and melody with us. And in terms of covenants and in terms of consultation

[0:44:28] Voice 2: patient and coming together, no one wishes more that somehow this would not have come together

[0:44:36] Voice 2: with all of this process that really divides us unnecessarily. And the inability to communicate

[0:44:45] Voice 2: directly with the First Nation over the last year really makes it complicated because our

[0:44:51] Voice 2: consultant communicates with Ministry of Transportation and the MoCHA communicates

[0:44:56] Voice 2: this First Nation and it gets in the hands of people who have no real direct connection

[0:45:01] Voice 2: to what I think a common goal of ours with the First Nation is, is how to protect this

[0:45:07] Voice 2: land.

[0:45:09] Voice 2: So I don't criticize the First Nation, I criticize the system because it puts us in a position

[0:45:16] Voice 2: where we're distant from each other and not able to sit down and really solve the problems.

[0:45:23] Voice 2: In terms of communication, the First Nation met with MOTR quite some time ago.

[0:45:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, Donna, I think you need to focus on the Development Permit.

[0:45:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I am.

[0:45:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, I'm sort of giving you some latitude to paraphrase

[0:45:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): situationally, but just remind you to focus on the Development Permit.

[0:45:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I guess I can be more concise.

[0:45:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm sorry. No, I'm mistaken here, actually. I apologize, because you will have a chance

[0:45:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): if it's in the development permit in the other session. So please go ahead. My apologies.

[0:46:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[0:46:04] Voice 2: I just want to say this. I'm only addressing the public comments that I've heard.

[0:46:09] Voice 2: That's what I'm doing right now, I think.

[0:46:12] Voice 9: Yeah,

[0:46:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think we actually need to address.

[0:46:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's

[0:46:16] Voice 9: your perspective that we're looking for not speaking to others of members of the public yeah we

[0:46:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): will make our own interpretation of public

[0:46:22] Voice 2: comment yeah okay i think what i'm trying to do

[0:46:27] Voice 2: is address myself yeah to the committee yeah some of the comments i've heard here earlier

[0:46:34] Voice 2: to give our perspective of the issues as they relate to our property so go ahead i think what

[0:46:44] Voice 2: the two points that I just heard that there's no covenant on the property and that there's

[0:46:52] Voice 2: been no consultation and the note has come together. So I just want to address those

[0:46:58] Voice 2: three things by saying there is a covenant on the title already in favor of the Islands

[0:47:05] Voice 2: Trust that sets out certain criteria, one of which is that we, before subdivision, enter

[0:47:12] Voice 2: a covenant with the Heritage Branch. The Heritage Branch is supposed to do their work with the

[0:47:18] Voice 2: First Nation. We did that work. We entered the draft covenant. The First Nation was involved

[0:47:28] Voice 2: in the consultation process of this project. From the very beginning of the rezoning application,

[0:47:36] Voice 2: They insisted on having direct government-to-government consultation.

[0:47:43] Voice 2: They had that with trust, and the result of that was the covenant we entered into.

[0:47:48] Voice 2: And I'm not saying that there's consultation today, but to say there wasn't consultation

[0:47:54] Voice 2: is a huge understatement.

[0:47:59] Voice 2: the the coming together and i thought we had a pretty good relationship with senegal

[0:48:12] Voice 2: for many years and it's only been recently maybe in the last year where this relationship had

[0:48:20] Voice 2: become so difficult because we were talking about the approval of some division and their

[0:48:26] Voice 2: interest in buying the land that's where this conversation has gotten complex

[0:48:32] Voice 2: We haven't made progress on that issue, and we got into this environment where the First

[0:48:38] Voice 2: Nation has refused to communicate with us.

[0:48:41] Voice 2: They want everything to go through MOTI, and I think that has complicated this even more.

[0:48:46] Voice 2: So I appreciate what's been said, and I understand from that point of view.

[0:48:52] Voice 2: From our point of view, we wish there was open communication and we could sit down at

[0:48:58] Voice 2: the table and understand what issues have not yet been addressed.

[0:49:01] Voice 2: and all I can say is

[0:49:05] Voice 2: Sonoma representatives met with

[0:49:07] Voice 2: MOTF within the last

[0:49:09] Voice 2: seven, eight months, submitted a letter

[0:49:11] Voice 2: confirming all of their concerns.

[0:49:13] Voice 2: That came to us and our consultants.

[0:49:16] Voice 2: We responded to

[0:49:17] Voice 2: every single issue

[0:49:20] Voice 2: and we had no response.

[0:49:24] So it's

[0:49:25] time

[0:49:26] Voice 2: for us

[0:49:28] Voice 2: to sit down directly with these people

[0:49:29] Voice 2: and really understand if there's anything

[0:49:32] Voice 2: we've missed, what they don't

[0:49:34] Voice 2: accept what we've responded but we're in the dark and we'd like to have some light so um you know i

[0:49:51] Voice 2: think um i think all i can say is i think it's a it's a time where and the first nations have

[0:49:57] Voice 2: responded to the trust with respect to their concerns about the dp and my view is what i

[0:50:05] Voice 2: hope is that this DP would be approved, that these referrals go to MLTI. With all of the

[0:50:14] Voice 2: issues that you're aware of with the First Nation, go to MLTI and let's get them solved

[0:50:20] Voice 2: there because that's what's holding us up. We can't meet with the First Nation because

[0:50:27] Voice 2: they insist on only dealing with MLTI and we have responded to MLTI, they've responded

[0:50:35] Voice 2: the first nation and we've had no response and yet what's being said here that we have not

[0:50:42] Voice 2: communicated and not responded and i think we've addressed every single issue we've been aware of

[0:50:47] Voice 2: sorry so i don't know what more we can do other than someone saying they don't want to be developed

[0:50:54] Voice 2: and if we don't want it developed at all which i think is what i'm hearing

[0:50:59] Voice 2: then everyone's going to have to make a decision and let's let them make it

[0:51:03] Voice 2: I think if that happens, I think maybe that will enable the First Nation and us and MOTI to sit down and see what issues we need.

[0:51:18] Voice 2: My own sense is it doesn't matter what the issue is.

[0:51:21] Voice 2: I think the First Nation doesn't want to develop.

[0:51:25] Voice 2: I think that's the bottom line.

[0:51:27] Voice 2: And if it is, we should just say it and put it on the table.

[0:51:32] Voice 2: and and and if we can't work on a solution which it appears we can't because the mansion wasn't

[0:51:37] Voice 2: fortunate to come to us the only way now is to sit down and get it and see what we missed

[0:51:43] Voice 2: yeah i think the way that this time maybe a little force that's all that about conversation

[0:51:52] Voice 2: thank you okay

[0:51:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): um other public comment yes

[0:51:59] Voice 6: thank you uh a couple of comments of

[0:52:04] Voice 7: my personal reaction, there was a comment made about development that's taken place

[0:52:17] Voice 7: on the land and

[0:52:18] Voice 9: having to restore it, et cetera. Unfortunately, you know, unfortunately for

[0:52:26] Voice 9: the person that said that, the bulk of that took place when we had the L.A.s on this property

[0:52:33] Voice 9: and were done legally and under the supervision of engineers and MOTI and the approvals of the same.

[0:52:44] Voice 9: It was never completed and the time period lapsed. But this has happened more than once.

[0:52:51] Voice 9: So, you know, all these hysterical things get stated all the time that are inaccurate and untrue.

[0:52:57] Voice 9: and uh just to evoke emotion or some sense of righteousness or vengeance or whatever it is

[0:53:06] Voice 9: um extremely inaccurate and the other thing is i find it extremely hypocritical and extremely

[0:53:14] Voice 9: amusing to sit in the same room with people that live like right in alvarado right on a small lot

[0:53:25] Voice 9: lot, and have bought and sold property there, and the people they sold property there to,

[0:53:34] Voice 9: the land is covered with cisterns and trailers and shacks, and just covered, like the percentage

[0:53:45] Voice 9: percentage of coverage is amazing and yet I'm being criticized for wanting to do 60 acres and

[0:53:55] Voice 9: five acres and two and a half acres

[0:53:57] Voice 8: with great respect to

[0:54:02] Voice 9: what's on our property and take making

[0:54:06] Voice 9: that all into mind but there's there's several people here that are in this this audience alone

[0:54:12] Voice 9: own that are in exactly the opposite situation and i i just find it the height of hypocrisy sure

[0:54:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay is that it yes okay thank you um all right anybody else wish to address the local trust

[0:54:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee today all right and let us continue with our business then and we've re-scheduled

[0:54:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): the agenda a little bit here and we'll come back to pick up with the minutes and business

[0:54:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): business arising later, but I am going to go directly to item 8.2 in our agenda, applications

[0:54:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): and referrals. That's page 111 of the package. And that's the Gabriela Development Permit 2021.1.

[0:54:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there's a staff report that we've all read. And I know that both trustees have done an awful

[0:55:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): lot of work in preparation for this meeting, reading material that goes back many, many,

[0:55:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): many years and we appreciate and we just want to acknowledge and appreciate that work i'm going to

[0:55:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): turn to staff to introduce the report and probably summarize it we've all read it and uh and then

[0:55:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): that'll set the stage for the conversation here um for the development permit and i guess we'll

[0:55:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): address the development permit first and then i'll provide the opportunity to the applicant

[0:55:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): to speak to the development permit and then we'll uh opportunity then we'll

[0:55:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): exist. But she used to see an applicant for staff. You're

[0:55:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to carry this one.

[0:55:47] Voice 7: So regrets to the island planner, Simon Zupanich. She's

[0:55:52] Voice 7: unable

[0:55:52] Voice 9: to attend this meeting today. So I'll be speaking when

[0:55:56] Voice 9: we have the staff report. So the staff report before the

[0:56:00] Voice 9: request committee is

[0:56:02] Voice 7: for this development permit application.

[0:56:09] Voice 7: For the development permit application for Center Stage 1,

[0:56:12] Voice 9: staff have provided a summary of the application for the development permit in addition to capturing

[0:56:22] Voice 7: updated subdivision land.

[0:56:25] Voice 7: out part of that to also recommend a referral response for the subdivision staff completed

[0:56:36] Voice 7: for the recommendation a technical review of the development from area guidelines as well as the

[0:56:43] Voice 7: regulations for the subdivision review and have provided a recommendation on the staff report

[0:56:49] Voice 7: report to prove issuance of the development permit and due to the significant concerns

[0:56:57] Voice 7: heard from SNAP First Nation about cultural and heritage values on the property. It also

[0:57:04] Voice 7: included comments through a subdivision referral response. Which is both, both items are attached

[0:57:13] Voice 7: in information

[0:57:14] Voice 9: to the staff report and also included in the staff

[0:57:18] Voice 7: report are

[0:57:20] Voice 7: additional factors for the LBC to consider if you wish to add additional comments to the technical reviews

[0:57:27] Voice 7: or recommendations from staff

[0:57:29] Voice 7: to supplement the subdivision referral results going to the

[0:57:36] Voice 7: administrative, administrative application. Happy to go through

[0:57:47] Voice 7: more information.

[0:57:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[0:57:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll turn to the applicant, Don Gatley. Do you have any remarks

[0:58:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to the recommendation that's contained

[0:58:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): in our report regarding the development?

[0:58:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so thank you very much. So, trustees, how would you like to proceed today?

[0:58:22] Voice 9: I have a question for staff, and I've sent to you a proposed motion, but I would ask the chair if we can actually consider the referral comments to the subdivision first,

[0:58:37] Voice 9: first because my position is that the DP application we might be able to reach a compromise

[0:58:45] Voice 9: well I'll say at the outset I'm not going to vote in favor of issuing the DP absolutely not

[0:58:54] Voice 9: and I would ask staff why you recommend issuance of the DP that recommendation has been consistent

[0:59:00] Voice 9: from the very beginning and we've questioned this from every single side we understand that the DP

[0:59:07] Voice 9: It has no criteria that is informed by cultural heritage.

[0:59:13] Voice 9: It's technical in nature, but it is a condition of subdivision.

[0:59:20] Voice 9: Would it not make sense to consider issuing the permit only if the PAO approves a subdivision

[0:59:32] Voice 9: and the First Nation,

[0:59:36] Voice 9: Senehook First Nation is satisfied

[0:59:38] Voice 9: with the consultation

[0:59:42] Voice 9: and consents to the project.

[0:59:46] Voice 9: Can the LTC at that point

[0:59:49] Voice 9: issue a DP on those conditions?

[0:59:56] Voice 7: So through the chair, the question is...

[1:00:00] Voice 7: and is it is a possible option to consider issuing an ep with condition with a condition

[1:00:08] Voice 7: that the approving officer is satisfied not

[1:00:13] Voice 9: the approving officer well on condition that a

[1:00:16] Voice 9: the approving officer approves a subdivision so that's actually the question that i would

[1:00:23] Voice 9: argue we should debate first our comments on the subdivision referral

[1:00:26] Voice 9: And B, that's the New York First Nation is satisfied with the consultation and has given consent to the proposed development.

[1:00:36] Voice 9: So at the conclusion of that process, the LTC withholds issuance of the permit.

[1:00:46] Voice 9: And the precedence for this is the North Pender LTC that put a condition on the covenant that they were required to sign with the North Pender LTC.

[1:00:56] Voice 9: in the James Island subdivision, but they did not sign it until and unless the subdivision

[1:01:05] Voice 9: or the PAO approved the subdivision and the SAO First Nation consented.

[1:01:11] Voice 9: So it was a condition of subdivision approval, which did not get approved.

[1:01:18] Voice 7: Through the Chair, the rationale for the recommendation through the staff report,

[1:01:24] Voice 7: report. Trustee Elliott summarized that well. It's regarding specific guidelines for the

[1:01:33] Voice 7: development permit area. Previous staff reports have also flagged our technical nature. There's

[1:01:41] Voice 7: a thought that they don't capture enough of what's needed to address concerns for this

[1:01:48] Voice 7: development permit area and for the concerns what's happening on the site on this particular

[1:01:53] Voice 7: your property in the land. So what I can provide for information and advice is based on the

[1:02:02] Voice 7: legislation and not development permit process. That the conditions to be set for the development

[1:02:09] Voice 7: permit would have to be related to the condition itself. Conditions set that would require

[1:02:17] Voice 7: require approval of a subdivision may not be able to be upheld through the development

[1:02:25] Voice 7: of the program. Requiring a condition of subdivision approval for a development permit process-wise,

[1:02:36] Voice 7: the approving officer needs a clear decision from the LPC about their development permit.

[1:02:48] Voice 10: Can

[1:02:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I ask a further question on that because Trustee Elliott raises the point about the

[1:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think you used the language precedent set in the North Pender situation where a covenant signature was withheld.

[1:03:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so can you clarify for me the difference between a covenant and a development variance permit and why that may or may not be significant in this case?

[1:03:18] Voice 7: through the chair i'm also reflecting on we're pulling in another example

[1:03:24] Voice 7: that we haven't addressed right in the stock performance through this application

[1:03:28] Voice 7: as that's a potential approach option so i may not be able to give you that alternative

[1:03:35] Voice 7: information at this time um the difference and second the difference between a covenant

[1:03:41] Voice 7: and a development variance is a covenant is a legal document that's registered on the title

[1:03:50] Voice 7: of a legal title of a feasible piece of land so that that could be a restrictive covenant

[1:03:56] Voice 7: section 219 the development variance permit is a legislative process so that's to

[1:04:03] Voice 7: to vary a zoning regulation or a subdivision regulation in the local trust's land use file, for example.

[1:04:14] Voice 7: That would be where you would, an instance where you would apply for a development variance to vary a zoning regulation.

[1:04:27] Voice 7: So two totally different

[1:04:28] Voice 7: tools or instruments. One is they're both legal in the legislation.

[1:04:36] Voice 7: Covenants are used for a different purpose than a variance permit application.

[1:04:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. There's lots to think about on this and unwrap here. And so Toby, you may have

[1:04:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): some, want to evolve that question, but I'll turn to Susan Yates to see if you have any

[1:04:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions.

[1:04:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): each time

[1:04:59] Voice 9: i too was thinking of the james island example but i realized that the difference is that

[1:05:04] Voice 9: this particular development permit relates to steep slopes that's what we're dealing with

[1:05:11] Voice 9: and as unhappy as we may be that it that the permit itself may be inadequate that is what

[1:05:18] Voice 9: exists and that's what we're dealing with i um like trustee elliott i would really like to deal

[1:05:28] Voice 9: with number two before we deal with the development permit but they're not they're not really related

[1:05:37] Voice 9: in that way I mean they are related because they both relate to the entire application

[1:05:42] Voice 9: but the purpose of each of them is quite different recognize that I know we could

[1:05:51] Voice 9: probably get an extension on the subdivision referral response which might be helpful so

[1:05:58] Voice 9: So I'm having a really difficult time with this, I have had for a long time, because

[1:06:04] Voice 9: this report meets the technical requirements of the development permit, but it doesn't

[1:06:11] Voice 9: meet the moral obligations of our job, and I can't reconcile that,

[1:06:20] Voice 12: I just can't.

[1:06:26] Voice 9: and we we've made a reconciliation declaration in 2019 trust council made that declaration

[1:06:33] Voice 9: the gabriel island local trust committee made it the islands trust conservancy made it

[1:06:38] Voice 9: and all of these bodies are committed to the principles of reconciliation and we are falling

[1:06:49] Voice 9: falling short of that. Because we are constrained by these legislative requirements. And so

[1:07:02] Voice 9: I totally acknowledge that the applicant deserves to have the development permit issued according

[1:07:13] Voice 9: to the technicalities of the conditions that they have met. I cannot allow myself to make

[1:07:26] Voice 9: that decision at this meeting it will be morally and ethically wrong and i do i do appreciate the

[1:07:37] Voice 9: staff report it's very complete it's it's detailed it explains exactly what we should be doing

[1:07:46] Voice 9: technically and legally but

[1:07:51] Voice 8: yeah so let me carry on my thoughts or just

[1:07:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): want to

[1:08:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): acknowledge the applicant who's raised his hand however you were provided an

[1:08:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): opportunity to speak to the development permit earlier as our normal process and

[1:08:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): unless I have a question for you I'm not soliciting a response from you but I so

[1:08:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm not sure how to handle that,

[1:08:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): but I'd like to continue to evolve this conversation

[1:08:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): amongst ourselves here as the appropriate mechanism.

[1:08:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if a question comes up, we can ask a question of you

[1:08:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'd be grateful for an answer.

[1:08:34] Voice 6: I

[1:08:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): just want to say...

[1:08:35] Voice 7: Before we deal with it, we're dealing with moral and ethical

[1:08:38] Voice 7: in an administration process.

[1:08:43] Voice 9: And we're trying to follow your rules and regulations.

[1:08:48] Voice 9: and spend a great deal of time and money on this

[1:08:51] Voice 9: and have been greatly misled.

[1:08:54] Voice 9: So I think

[1:08:55] Voice 19: there's a moral and ethical duty to us too,

[1:08:57] Voice 19: because we're people too,

[1:08:59] Voice 19: and we deserve respect for moral and ethical treatment.

[1:09:04] Voice 19: So we're following your process, so.

[1:09:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so I thank you for your comments

[1:09:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I understand that and I'm respecting

[1:09:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): your immediate comments here.

[1:09:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): here. However, I think it's not news to you that this is a difficult decision for us for reasons

[1:09:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): beyond the guidelines that has been articulated in previous meetings. Sure. So

[1:09:31] Voice 2: if I do get a chance

[1:09:33] Voice 2: to go, what I want to address is the long difficulty, because I think the answers are,

[1:09:38] Voice 2: I think I can help resolve that

[1:09:41] Voice 2: more in a different way.

[1:09:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): So fair enough.

[1:09:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): However, I'm not sure that you can resolve that,

[1:09:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): but because that belongs to each individual differently.

[1:09:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I just want to say,

[1:09:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then I'll come back to you, Toby,

[1:10:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): just to try and help the conversation along.

[1:10:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): There is a difficulty,

[1:10:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and whether you call it a moral or ethical difficulty,

[1:10:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know.

[1:10:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think of it as a legislative and governance encumbrance in that, as was mentioned by Scott Colbert, we are being constrained by governance that has evolved since 1874 and of which the legislation requires certain that.

[1:10:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): That, in fact, the inadequacy here, I would suggest, is not associated with the applicant or the application specific,

[1:10:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): but is associated with our very own guidelines associated with the approval of a development permit.

[1:10:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): They did not embrace some of these values that are being considered here today by the LTC.

[1:10:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there's not a mechanism for us to bring those values to the table as part of the guidance that we take through regulation that is

[1:11:04] Voice 10: now clearly outdated.

[1:11:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): And certainly our opportunity exists for us somewhere in the future, today or tomorrow, to change the rezoning and change the guidelines in order to make better decisions in the future.

[1:11:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): But today we're here with this decision.

[1:11:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so that's sort of an introduction to that. Indeed, the subdivision regulation approving officer has the authority to approve this subdivision layout and the development permit is a requirement of the approval of that subdivision layout.

[1:11:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have asked the same question that Toby has asked, but similarly, is can that ultimate decision about the approval of the development permit be finally signed off and approved post-approval of the subdivision?

[1:11:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): That seems like a reasonable thing because, of course, what I'm hearing from the name of First Nation is do not alter the land.

[1:11:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do not make any further spiritual, physical changes to the land.

[1:12:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): And the development permit offers the opportunity for you with or without subdivision approval to make alterations to the land.

[1:12:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's a conundrum that just exists from the way the regulations are designed and had not taken into consideration the values which Jeff Elder Manson has expressed to us about the nature of the land and the place and who the covenant is for and how is any covenant that exists protecting the interests of the nations.

[1:12:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I would suggest that it doesn't protect the interests of the nations, it protects the interests of the Adams Trust.

[1:12:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): And those are the problems that we're grappling with at this table.

[1:12:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it's very difficult, and we need to find a way to get through this.

[1:12:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): I also, I concur with the recommendations from staff that we should approve the development permit.

[1:12:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Whether we do or not is another question, because it does require a majority vote to facilitate that.

[1:13:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): that. The bigger question in our mind is approval of the subdivision itself. And certainly we have

[1:13:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): some remarks that we want to make about that. And Trustee Elliott, you suggested that we should

[1:13:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): have those remarks out in the open prior to looking at the development permit. But let's

[1:13:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): maybe wrap up this conversation about the development permit. We can certainly defer

[1:13:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): that till we've had the conversation about the subdivision approval and then pick that up and

[1:13:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then make a determination one way or the other.

[1:13:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't have any troubles with that process

[1:13:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I think that's adequate as far as staff is concerned.

[1:13:40] Voice 12: So

[1:13:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's go back to you, Toby.

[1:13:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for enduring my thoughts.

[1:13:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's one of those difficult process

[1:13:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we wanna do the right thing.

[1:13:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we've heard today continuously since 2005,

[1:13:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): very strongly from the nation.

[1:14:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it's time to respect that, in my opinion, in whatever way that is.

[1:14:09] Voice 9: So I have spent a lot of time digging into the history that we have on record,

[1:14:17] Voice 9: and I proposed to my colleagues that we respond to the MOTI file

[1:14:26] Voice 9: and deeming the subdivision application as not being in the public interest

[1:14:31] Voice 9: and that the LTC would not support it.

[1:14:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): So maybe

[1:14:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): as a part of the process, just to be more formal, right,

[1:14:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that everybody's clear what we're doing.

[1:14:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So what we're asking, what we're suggesting is that we defer the development permit

[1:14:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): until we've had

[1:14:45] Voice 13: a discussion about the...

[1:14:46] Voice 13: Yeah, oh, I thought

[1:14:47] Voice 9: we were moving to that, right?

[1:14:48] Voice 13: No, I was giving you that opportunity to ask

[1:14:51] Voice 13: for that, not the LTC.

[1:14:53] Voice 9: Could we consider the development permit after we've considered...

[1:14:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's proceed then to the sub-division approval.

[1:15:03] Voice 9: Great, okay. So I did send you nine points, and it's quite a long document. Five of them relate to the history of the file that has to do with the passing of the by-law that allowed or allocated 49 lots to the subject properties in 2005.

[1:15:24] Voice 9: 2005, and the lack of consultation, which I put squarely on the shoulders of the Islands Trust

[1:15:32] Voice 9: in that process. The fifth point, I'll read it out loud, is that the local trust committee

[1:15:39] Voice 9: acknowledges, I would ask that we acknowledge today, there was inadequate, deeply inadequate

[1:15:47] Voice 9: adequate consultation with the first nation in 2005 in the development and adoption of bylaws

[1:15:54] Voice 9: that allowed a density swap and a covenant to be negotiated between center stage holdings

[1:15:59] Voice 9: and islands trust in the absence of comment or consultation with these dynamic first nation

[1:16:06] Voice 9: and in spite of their request for more time to consider the matter with more than a 30-day

[1:16:13] Voice 9: referral. And I just want to reiterate that this was a very speedy consideration for an incredibly

[1:16:22] Voice 9: significant density transfer. 40 days from first to third reading. This is not ever heard of. I've

[1:16:33] Voice 9: never experienced something that fast. And the nation was first alerted to this on April 11th

[1:16:41] Voice 9: with a letter from Elder Geraldine Matson, who was a councillor then,

[1:16:45] Voice 9: saying, we've heard that you are undertaking this process

[1:16:49] Voice 9: and we've had no referral, we've had no comments from the Islands Trust.

[1:16:54] Voice 9: What is going on?

[1:16:56] Voice 9: And the bylaws went through third reading

[1:17:00] Voice 9: with all the community consultation here on Gabriola.

[1:17:04] Voice 9: And after that, Chief John Wesley issued a press statement

[1:17:09] Voice 9: statement saying, what is happening? Have you given first and second readings to a bylaw that

[1:17:17] Voice 9: gives away our most sacred lands? So the lack of meaningful consultative process by the local

[1:17:23] Voice 9: trust committee and decision makers of the day included a failure to communicate information

[1:17:30] Voice 9: in a timely way that allowed the nation to actually be part of the process and be developing

[1:17:37] Voice 9: those bylaws together or have any comment so that's all in the history um but that's what

[1:17:45] Voice 9: trust former trustee scott colburn was reflecting on that we have predicated everything on a

[1:17:52] Voice 9: framework of non-consent absolutely and that continues to this day and if we make a decision

[1:18:01] Voice 9: and say well it conforms to our bylaws today it's conforming to a fundamental non-consent

[1:18:08] Voice 9: and the nation has been clear when we talk about archaeological sites we're talking about

[1:18:15] Voice 9: ancestors these are not sites that can be separated out like pinpricks on a map and

[1:18:22] Voice 9: distinguished with 30 meters or 50 meters or 100 meters the whole area is sacred it is all connected

[1:18:31] Voice 9: connected to their culture to their sense of well-being today so i go into that to say that

[1:18:40] Voice 9: we recognize that it reconciliation is a learning journey and i don't want to pinpoint any one person

[1:18:49] Voice 9: and say you did wrong in the day we didn't know as much then there was not the appreciation of

[1:18:55] Voice 9: aboriginal rights and title and how central it is there has been a sea change in our understanding

[1:19:01] Voice 9: now. It's much more central, but there was no acknowledgement of how important Sinema's voice

[1:19:08] Voice 9: must, should have been in that day. So I do say that that lack of consultation in that process

[1:19:16] Voice 9: to allow those 49 lots to be allocated to the subject properties was wrong. And that should

[1:19:22] Voice 9: be rectified with this local trust committee today. So that's the number one reason. I have

[1:19:28] Voice 9: many others about the prioritization of parkland and green space over sacred areas. The conversation

[1:19:36] Voice 9: in our community was all about how much parkland we would get. And the one quote that I would say

[1:19:44] Voice 9: from Chief John Wesley at the time, it just is so accurate and it is a question that we are still

[1:19:52] Voice 9: having to circle today he said in 2005 it appears that the developers are

[1:19:59] Voice 9: proposing to create a new park in the middle of the island in return for a

[1:20:03] Voice 9: higher density development around our sacred sites we appreciate the public

[1:20:08] Voice 9: interest in parks but sacred sites should be protected first otherwise it

[1:20:14] Voice 9: will be hard to avoid the conclusion that our sacred sites and the graves of

[1:20:19] Voice 9: of ancestors are being sacrificed

[1:20:22] Voice 9: to meet the public interest in green space

[1:20:24] Voice 9: and the developer's interest in profit.

[1:20:28] Voice 9: And later in our agenda, we have a petition circling

[1:20:32] Voice 9: in this community wanting to create a green burial

[1:20:35] Voice 9: ground for our people on what is unceded lands, land that

[1:20:41] Voice 9: is not ceded by the name of First Nation.

[1:20:43] Voice 9: And the irony cannot be missed.

[1:20:45] Voice 9: We are still having the same conversation today

[1:20:48] Voice 9: that our community asks for green space and a place to bury our dead while we traded it's the

[1:20:55] Voice 9: name of burial place for a park that is wrong unjust and we must undo this so i will not

[1:21:05] Voice 9: support any further development on those lands and i will submit my comments if my colleagues agree

[1:21:12] Voice 9: it is backed by the words of chiefs going back to 2005 there is strong evidence

[1:21:18] Voice 9: evidence. The nation has never consented, and that will be held up in courts. We know that.

[1:21:24] Voice 9: 200 court cases to date. We really want to test this. I don't.

[1:21:32] Voice 22: We're going to.

[1:21:34] Voice 8: How do you say?

[1:21:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you. That's your choice.

[1:21:42] Voice 2: It's very difficult when someone from the chair makes a legal statement.

[1:21:49] Voice 2: How do I not challenge that?

[1:21:53] Voice 2: You have. Thank you.

[1:21:55] Voice 2: I just don't like the comments being left out there. There's a whole bunch of things here that I find very offensive. How do I address that?

[1:22:03] Voice 9: Sorry, but it is our discussion right now about the referral response, and I think you have had your say.

[1:22:09] Voice 2: I had to say before anyone, you made your comments. How do I address your comments in this process? That's what I'd like to know.

[1:22:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because they're out there.

[1:22:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): there. And I think you've seen the documentation and the letters from 2005. We're not, Trustee

[1:22:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Elliott is just articulating messaging that we've received.

[1:22:30] Voice 2: I understand. She's eliminating hundreds of documents that say other things than that. That

[1:22:38] Voice 2: was 2005.

[1:22:42] Voice 12: And I believe

[1:22:43] Voice 2: in the process.

[1:22:44] Voice 2: I'm going to keep the conversation at this table. Yeah.

[1:22:47] Voice 2: But it's just this selective picking the document to support a position without us being able to respond, it makes it very difficult for us.

[1:22:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's all. We're making a referral to the approving officer and you can respond to the approving officer.

[1:23:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think my comment to all of this is really this.

[1:23:05] Voice 2: I think all those comments should go to Imhotep. I respect all of that.

[1:23:10] Voice 2: But let me say this, MLKI is responsible to approve a subdivision, but they have to follow

[1:23:22] Voice 2: the legal principles of consultation.

[1:23:25] Voice 2: So the moral argument isn't even here, because the same obligation, you don't have the same

[1:23:31] Voice 2: legal obligation, but MLKI has a legal obligation to consult and accommodate and

[1:23:38] Voice 20: all the issues

[1:23:39] Voice 2: of reconciliation.

[1:23:40] Voice 2: affiliation. That's where this should take place. Yes.

[1:23:43] Voice 2: Where they have all the facts and all the

[1:23:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): history. Right. And we want,

[1:23:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): all we want to do is make sure that they have what we know. Yes. And

[1:23:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm good with that. Right. But let's get it there. Well, that's the plan, I think. And so, you know,

[1:23:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): I will, I will comment and I thank you for it, that you said that if, if Moti turns this

[1:24:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): application down, that that'll put us into a new place to have another conversation. And that's

[1:24:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's ultimately where we need to go.

[1:24:08] Voice 19: So while you're addressing

[1:24:11] Voice 9: this issue and making it sound like something was rushed

[1:24:17] Voice 9: through that people in the audience here participated in and they know it was well over the years

[1:24:25] Voice 9: so far and lots of public consultation and

[1:24:29] Voice 7: lots of outreach to the First Nations.

[1:24:31] Voice 9: that that that gets missed but and so i would like to know what your respect and morals to us

[1:24:43] Voice 9: who have now been put in this position of the uh the trust now being extremely woke or whatever

[1:24:53] Voice 9: they are um so do we get part of the park back or how do we how do we resolve this fairly for

[1:25:01] Voice 9: all the parties included, because this has taken 20 years of our life, all of our money,

[1:25:10] Voice 9: all of our family's money, and all this abuse.

[1:25:15] Voice 9: And so how do we get considered in this?

[1:25:20] Voice 9: That's not a small matter.

[1:25:22] Voice 9: Fair question.

[1:25:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): That is not a small matter, and all of it absolutely doesn't need to be resolved.

[1:25:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): all. Yeah, I just want to add to her

[1:25:29] Voice 2: comment. I think it's really critical and it's important

[1:25:32] Voice 2: for the First Nation here too. We didn't do this as a developer to make money. That's

[1:25:38] Voice 2: the misconception. We did this to protect 700 acres of land that we felt was critically

[1:25:45] Voice 2: environmentally sensitive land. And we paid an awful lot of money for that land and the

[1:25:51] Voice 2: community, First Nations and the trust all approved. We would never have paid for that

[1:25:57] Voice 2: park and dedicated it had we not thought consultation had been fully done right and

[1:26:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee elliott said right at the beginning that the burden of this falls on the shoulders of the

[1:26:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): honest trust doesn't fall upon and so let's resolve this and so you know we can uh um

[1:26:18] we we're being asked by modi to comment on the referral of the subdivision and

[1:26:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): um we will do

[1:26:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): that with a pretty clear conscience so um on the subdivision approval and comments to the approving

[1:26:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): officer um you presented a document uh characterized that i think probably needs to be

[1:26:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): flushed out a little bit more and maybe working with staff to uh frame it um with respect to that

[1:26:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): if what you're saying is this is not in um you know we use the language which is always a

[1:27:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): cumbersome thing for me we use the language not in the public interest but i think what we're saying

[1:27:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that this is not in the first nations uh it's the name of first nations interest um because they

[1:27:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): have not been to be consulted on the most sacred place on gabriel um and um i think the approving

[1:27:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): officer may be very critical of the islands trust and its process and how it ended up being here

[1:27:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then we will have to deal with that accordingly but that's another story yet to unfold

[1:27:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): if the approving officer agrees with us that's in the name of first nation was inadequately

[1:27:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): consulted through this entire development process and if we owe an apology to the applicant for

[1:27:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): leading them astray then that maybe is also something that comes into course so what would

[1:27:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): you like to do?

[1:27:54] Voice 9: Just a quick comment before we make that decision. I just wanted to assure the applicant

[1:28:01] Voice 9: and also to assure SNMU attendees here today that all three of us have

[1:28:10] Voice 9: thoroughly read every document going even further back than 2005 and considered them

[1:28:20] Voice 9: I at great length really and truly the one thing I can say that I was shocked at was the 40-day

[1:28:30] Voice 9: referral we asked for 60 days for a gravel cut referral those 30 days for the three readings

[1:28:37] Voice 9: it was a 30-day referral yeah a 30-day referral that is

[1:28:41] Voice 9: unacceptable there's lots of and that's on

[1:28:45] Voice 9: us for sure but that was one that just jumped out at me he's like you know you can't it takes

[1:28:51] Voice 9: me 30 days to read through this agenda so there were so many so many errors made um and a lot of

[1:29:03] Voice 9: them most of them were due just to the constrictions of governance that we were tied to

[1:29:11] Voice 9: but we make land use decisions differently now we said that we are going to make them different we

[1:29:19] Voice 9: We are going to make them do that because we have committed to reconciliation.

[1:29:26] Voice 9: Now, there's a number of things, even in the agenda, that I might not agree with as far as First Nations consultation.

[1:29:34] Voice 9: But this is really important to me, looking back from history.

[1:29:43] Voice 9: And I clearly understand the difference between the development permit for steep slopes.

[1:29:52] Voice 9: at that and

[1:29:54] Voice 3: the subdivision application and I'm sorry that there's so

[1:30:00] Voice 3: tied to each other. Yeah.

[1:30:05] Voice 9: That's all I'm going to say right now. I

[1:30:08] Voice 9: like your motion, Trustee

[1:30:11] Voice 9: Elliott. I think maybe we can work on it for lunch break. So would you like me to read

[1:30:18] Voice 9: out the...

[1:30:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): If you want to articulate that, it's our motion, and then we can see if there's

[1:30:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): a move or a seconder.

[1:30:23] Voice 9: So I'll go to, I have three resolutions prepared.

[1:30:27] Voice 7: Yes, sir. We can

[1:30:28] Voice 7: can get that on the screen i did

[1:30:32] Voice 9: send them to you lisa yes

[1:30:37] Voice 23: one moment i will get them on the screen

[1:30:39] Voice 23: through the chair document

[1:30:41] Voice 9: draft resolutions and comments demotee so if you could go to resolution

[1:30:45] Voice 9: three um and for each one of these points um there is a rationale that's coming from the

[1:30:54] Voice 9: documentation and with respect to your comments that um were cherry picking uh because the central

[1:31:02] Voice 9: and core concern remains the name of first nations um the fact that they had never consented to this

[1:31:10] Voice 9: uh the documents do rest on the words of these chiefs and elders who have stated unequivocally

[1:31:17] Voice 9: over the years that they don't consent so the pao will have all the other documents that you refer

[1:31:23] Voice 9: refer to in the technical reports. It was the words of

[1:31:27] Voice 9: Santa Monica elders and chiefs that are the supportive

[1:31:34] Voice 9: references or

[1:31:36] Voice 9: the rationale that we might consider today. And it's, of course,

[1:31:40] Voice 9: it's not exhaustive. It is just my best attempt

[1:31:44] Voice 9: to frame this in a way that

[1:31:48] Voice 9: will honor what we've been hearing all along.

[1:31:51] Voice 9: And,

[1:31:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know, I think the thing that has the most significance to me is that what we've heard today is just exactly the same thing that has been heard in the past.

[1:32:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And admittedly, those decisions are in the past, but the fact of the matter is, is the

[1:32:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): name of First Nation with the current application for subdivision, the current layout of that

[1:32:26] property, they

[1:32:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): are not in support of it.

[1:32:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so regardless of previous decisions, a future subdivision may meet some requirements and meet approval.

[1:32:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): But at this juncture, it appears to need more work.

[1:32:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I think that's how I look at this, is that this is the same message under a different circumstance, and we need to listen.

[1:33:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah over to you so the third time get us on the screen lisa do we need to share

[1:33:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry i

[1:33:14] Voice 9: didn't have copies printed out for you but i can give them out to the meeting

[1:33:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): why don't you read the motion so

[1:33:24] Voice 9: resolution three due to the significant first nations

[1:33:27] Voice 9: cultural heritage values present on the subject property i move that the gabriel island local

[1:33:33] Voice 9: trust committee request staff to forward the following comments from the ltc to the provincial

[1:33:38] Voice 9: approving officer in consideration of subdivision referrals gb sub 2024.1 and gb stb 2024.2 center

[1:33:48] Voice 9: stage holdings moti file 2020 dash zero two seven eight nine slash zero two two one four

[1:33:59] Voice 9: The GB LTC does not support the subdivision application for the following reasons.

[1:34:04] Voice 9: One, that there is a clear record from 2005 that establishes the name of First Nation consistently and unequivocally have never consented to any development on these sacred lands.

[1:34:15] Voice 9: And two, that this Nanaymik First Nation have longstanding concerns and strong objections to any development of this parcel of land due to the presence of several significant cultural heritage and archaeological sites, comma, and claim the sole right to determine how to care for, access, and protect their own burial, cultural, and sacred sites.

[1:34:41] Voice 9: and that these sacred areas are considered critical to the health and well-being and

[1:34:47] Voice 9: connectivity for Snonimic First Nation since time immemorial and to today and should not be held in

[1:34:54] Voice 9: private lots that would exclude Snonimic from access to their cultural heritage areas and the

[1:35:00] Voice 9: sacred resting places of their ancestors.

[1:35:02] Voice 6: Snonimic First Nation have long-standing concerns and strong

[1:35:08] Voice 6: Oh,

[1:35:09] Voice 9: that's somebody's laptop.

[1:35:12] Voice 18: I'm sorry, I believe you're unmuted.

[1:35:19] Voice 9: Five.

[1:35:21] Voice 9: The Senebic First Nation has consistently asserted their rights and title on Gabriola Island,

[1:35:25] Voice 9: their Douglas Treaty rights, and the constitutional rights to determine how their cultural heritage areas should be protected,

[1:35:31] Voice 9: and those rights have not been respected

[1:35:33] Voice 9: in the development of the bylaws

[1:35:35] Voice 9: that allocated densities to the parcel in 2005.

[1:35:39] Voice 9: And five, that the local trust committee acknowledges

[1:35:42] Voice 9: there was inadequate consultation

[1:35:44] Voice 9: with the Snanamik First Nation in 2005

[1:35:47] Voice 9: in the development and adoption of bylaws

[1:35:49] Voice 9: that allowed a density swap and covenant

[1:35:52] Voice 9: to be negotiated between Center Stage Holdings

[1:35:54] Voice 9: and Islands Trust in the absence of comment

[1:35:57] Voice 9: or consultation with the Snanamik First Nation

[1:35:59] Voice 9: and in spite of their request for more time to consider the matter with more than a 30-day

[1:36:05] Voice 9: referral. Six, that the Synonymic First Nations' interests and concerns over the protection of

[1:36:11] Voice 9: their most sacred sites were not adequately considered in the density swap, and while the

[1:36:16] Voice 9: parkland and green space achieved through the density transfer achieved large benefits for

[1:36:21] Voice 9: the Gabriela community, there was no corresponding benefit to the nation. Seven, that regarding the

[1:36:29] Voice 9: protection of cultural heritage generally and Indigenous cultural heritage specifically,

[1:36:33] Voice 9: the Gabriela OCP and LUB policies and bylaws and the Islands Trust Policy Statement insufficiently

[1:36:41] Voice 9: protect cultural heritage resources and do not reflect the principles of the Declaration Act

[1:36:47] Voice 9: nor UNDRIP nor the Islands Trust Reconciliation Declaration. And eight, that there exists an

[1:36:55] Voice 9: active protocol agreement between Sonamik First Nation and Islands Trust since 2008 that establishes

[1:37:01] Voice 9: the agreement between two governments with how to proceed with development proposed in sensitive

[1:37:06] Voice 9: cultural areas. Which agreement has not been followed to address the nation's critical concern

[1:37:12] Voice 9: over development on this parcel? And nine, that there are insufficient buffers for the extensive

[1:37:18] Voice 9: archaeological and cultural heritage sites with the proposed covenant and no assurances that the

[1:37:23] Voice 9: name impersonation will be able to exercise their rights to access those sacred sites in perpetuity

[1:37:30] Voice 9: it's a very long statement i will second that okay

[1:37:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): so you've made that motion and seconded by

[1:37:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): susan yates and um so let's have a discussion about the motion do you want to speak to it um

[1:37:48] Voice 9: i have provided my colleagues with rationale uh and there is public hearing files for any member

[1:37:55] Voice 9: the public that wishes to go and verify anything it's sitting in the islands trust offices so

[1:38:00] Voice 9: all of this process that we went through uh or the community went through is documented

[1:38:06] Voice 9: uh there is nothing that i'm trying to make up or blow up with any emotion it's it's directly

[1:38:14] Voice 9: derived from those documents so i do encourage you to go check out our history if we do not

[1:38:20] Voice 9: learned from our history we're going to repeat it and that is not just a common saying it is a truth

[1:38:26] Voice 9: and so if we are to walk forward in reconciliation and live together with the name of members here

[1:38:33] Voice 9: on capriola island as we've been talking about we cannot reach out with one hand and say reconcile

[1:38:40] Voice 9: let's work on goodwill and trust and we continue to not listen to you it just doesn't work you

[1:38:47] Voice 9: cannot have a relationship on those foundations so we want to set a new foundation and we're going to

[1:38:53] Voice 9: have to rectify what was done back then somehow and to the proponent um i will say property owners

[1:39:04] Voice 9: do have rights that we must honor and subject properties have been rezoned for a density of

[1:39:11] Voice 9: development that the proponent wants to exercise however the local trust committee is also obligated

[1:39:17] Voice 9: to consider this application based on reconciliation principles

[1:39:21] Voice 9: and the rights of Indigenous peoples,

[1:39:24] Voice 9: which have been ratified through the Declaration Act.

[1:39:27] Voice 9: These two principles have come into conflict with this application,

[1:39:32] Voice 9: as they were bound to do at some point,

[1:39:34] Voice 9: and we must try to reconcile the principles of administrative fairness,

[1:39:38] Voice 9: which we are well acquainted with,

[1:39:41] Voice 9: towards the applicant and Indigenous rights in their territory.

[1:39:45] Voice 9: as a local government constituted under the islands trust act the gabriella local trust

[1:39:51] Voice 9: committee is a creature of the province when our bylaws collide with the principles of free

[1:39:56] Voice 9: fire and informed consent of a nation in their territory it is our view that our bylaws do not

[1:40:02] Voice 9: supersede the declaration act and so therefore unless and until synonymic first nation consents

[1:40:09] Voice 9: to development in this area if they consider sacred it must proceed no further thank you

[1:40:19] Voice 9: I have no additional comments. Well-spoken, Trustee Elliott.

[1:40:30] Voice 7: I think I should have been a librarian.

[1:40:33] Voice 9: I was a journalist.

[1:40:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, it may very well be that Moti will choose not to consider some of the elements

[1:40:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the vision because of the historical nature of them. But I think that the primary principles

[1:40:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): both outlined at the beginning of an earlier number of statements that you have um are valid

[1:40:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): and um the recruitment officer needs to hear that from this committee and i think we all we all

[1:41:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): agree with it and they're not going to run i will support the motion

[1:41:09] Voice 10: um

[1:41:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): is what we have in this

[1:41:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion adequate uh for you to support us in our uh referral to the approving officer through the

[1:41:22] Voice 7: chair the motion on the floor uh stated that leads into the the nine points yeah i i don't have

[1:41:31] Voice 7: further comment on that or suggestion then i'm going to call that's clear um and after the motion

[1:41:37] Voice 7: and I can explain any next steps in terms of the referrals.

[1:41:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Great. So then I'll call the vote on the motion to respond to the approving officer as tabled.

[1:41:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favour? All right. So that carries unanimously.

[1:41:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So now I want to return back to the development permit.

[1:42:01] Voice 9: I did have a second motion on the referral.

[1:42:04] Voice 9: I see, okay.

[1:42:04] Voice 9: And I don't know if it's necessary,

[1:42:06] Voice 9: but it's about advising the lieutenant governor about the positives of the plan so this was

[1:42:13] Voice 9: modeled on the north pender ltc response which was based on legal counsel's advice

[1:42:20] Voice 9: uh to their subdivision application so it's it's

[1:42:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): in my second resolution different

[1:42:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): application but fair enough um regional planning manager jemma do you have a remark

[1:42:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mark, we'll...

[1:42:35] Voice 9: Through the Chair, while we're talking about

[1:42:37] Voice 9: the subdivision referral response,

[1:42:40] Voice 7: it may make sense

[1:42:41] Voice 7: to want to bring that up in the discussion.

[1:42:43] Voice 7: We've been talking about... The second motion.

[1:42:45] Voice 7: The second motion.

[1:42:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then, over to you.

[1:42:50] Voice 9: So, there's a few

[1:42:51] Voice 9: whereas clauses, which may not be necessary,

[1:42:53] Voice 9: but I'll read them into the

[1:42:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): record.

[1:42:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Not the best practice.

[1:42:57] Voice 9: No?

[1:42:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): No. Whereas is not

[1:42:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): something that we've...

[1:43:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, then.

[1:43:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Better to

[1:43:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): get to the motion.

[1:43:04] Voice 9: The Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee resolves to, one, advise the Provincial Approving Officer that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee considers, we've already done that, as not being in public interest, never mind.

[1:43:15] Voice 9: But the second one is to advise the Lieutenant Governor and Council that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee considers the deposit of the subdivision plan of MOTI file 2020-02789-02214 as being against the public interest.

[1:43:34] Voice 9: And two, and request staff to forward this resolution to the Provincial Approving Officer and the Lieutenant Governor and Council.

[1:43:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. And that's the one that's on the screen there. Looks like there's a slight amendment

[1:43:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): to it.

[1:43:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just cut out number one.

[1:43:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So then that motion is moved. Is it understood? And do you want to second it?

[1:43:57] Voice 9: I'll second it and then I'd like to pass for an amendment.

[1:44:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So the motion moved and seconded. Do you wish to speak to it further?

[1:44:06] Voice 9: so we have not sought legal counsel on this referral so there is i know the james island

[1:44:13] Voice 9: subdivision is different but the islands trust has legal advice from that um file and this

[1:44:22] Voice 9: advising lieutenant governor and counsel is part of that so there is if we want to go on camera to

[1:44:30] Voice 9: talk about the legal advice i do have the documents but um and if staff deems this not

[1:44:36] Voice 9: necessary then maybe we can turn to staff for advice well

[1:44:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's turn to staff for advice um

[1:44:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): can this motion stand on its own merits without consideration of legal advice

[1:44:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): um ultimately it will be somebody else to determine whether or not it has

[1:44:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): merit for them to consider would that be the case

[1:45:01] Voice 7: I believe I need a moment to contemplating legal advice for this particular resolution

[1:45:14] Voice 7: if possible, if the LDC wishes, but I'd like to go back to you

[1:45:21] Voice 12: in

[1:45:23] Voice 7: terms of any legal advice

[1:45:27] Voice 7: that may.

[1:45:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:45:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so let's develop then the motion a little further, and Susan Yates, you suggested you would like to make an amendment to the motion.

[1:45:37] Voice 9: Yes, I think towards the end of it, where you talk about in the public interest, I'm not sure whether we should say in the interest of the First Nation rather than the public interest.

[1:45:52] Voice 9: Personally,

[1:45:53] Voice 10: I

[1:45:55] Voice 9: am a member of the public.

[1:45:57] Voice 10: I

[1:45:57] Voice 9: do feel like this is big.

[1:46:01] Voice 9: I would be happy if I was a member of the public that we would be

[1:46:05] Voice 9: looking at this.

[1:46:06] Voice 9: But I think we should change that to the best interest of the person.

[1:46:12] Voice 9: Right. So can you speak up a little bit please?

[1:46:17] Voice 9: For the end of the trustee audience motion, it's not in the best interest of the public,

[1:46:24] Voice 9: which is what you're saying when you're sending a referral into the Ministry of Transportation.

[1:46:29] Voice 9: It doesn't meet the public interest.

[1:46:31] Voice 9: Right.

[1:46:33] Voice 9: I think it doesn't meet the public interest, but I think more specifically, it does not

[1:46:37] Voice 9: meet our interest in reconciliation, and specifically, it does not meet First Nations interest.

[1:46:46] Voice 9: That was in the whereas clause that I didn't publish. So if we wanted to amend it to include as being against the public interest, comma, and notes the sustained, considerable sustained objections to the subdivision continue to be expressed by the systemic First Nation, I don't think we can speak for the nation.

[1:47:08] Voice 9: they will speak to their own interests on the file to MOTI directly, but the LTC can

[1:47:15] Voice 9: say we know there is all of this objection to it and that it's part of our rationale

[1:47:24] Voice 9: for it in the public interest.

[1:47:27] Voice 9: So I would amend that if you want.

[1:47:30] Voice 9: So

[1:47:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): let me just add some thoughts, and I'm happy to see an amendment of some sort.

[1:47:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): I've struggled with this myself in using the word community, because respectfully, right, we acknowledge that First Nations are rights and title holders.

[1:47:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we don't tend to include them as stakeholders

[1:47:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): because they're not stakeholders, they're rights entitlement.

[1:48:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Certainly in the broad aspect of the community,

[1:48:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): with no disrespect intended,

[1:48:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): we want to embrace nations as part of the community.

[1:48:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the language is challenging.

[1:48:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I would perhaps suggest that it needs to say in the public interest or in the nation

[1:48:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): whose rights and title and or territory who have rights and rights on that title or, you

[1:48:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): know, something around would be more specific about it, because

[1:48:41] Voice 12: to

[1:48:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): some extent, I want to

[1:48:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): to acknowledge that government-to-government responsibility to acknowledge, simply acknowledge

[1:48:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): the rights and titles.

[1:48:52] Voice 9: As rights and title holders, okay.

[1:48:55] Voice 9: So what I would...

[1:48:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): And hopefully that, to our guests here today, that is received respectfully, and in a situation

[1:49:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): when we're trying to come to understand our relationship together okay so

[1:49:15] Voice 22: this is simpler than

[1:49:26] Voice 12: regional planning manager jim ron through

[1:49:29] Voice 7: the chair um once this discussion um is

[1:49:34] Voice 7: okay thank you

[1:49:42] Voice 10: breaking news

[1:49:43] Voice 10: so then

[1:49:51] Voice 9: I would amend the motion

[1:49:55] Voice 9: can we vote on it

[1:49:57] Voice 9: and defeat it and start fresh

[1:49:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): make it

[1:49:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[1:50:00] Voice 9: it seems

[1:50:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): to amend the motion

[1:50:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): so

[1:50:06] Voice 9: and

[1:50:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): it can be simply a full sale

[1:50:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): well I can't change the intent

[1:50:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[1:50:11] Voice 9: move to amend the motion

[1:50:13] Voice 9: by adding

[1:50:15] Voice 9: after the Guerrilla Island

[1:50:17] Voice 9: and local trust committee the words notes that considerable sustained objections to the

[1:50:24] Voice 9: subdivision continue to be expressed by this dynamic first nation and therefore resolves to

[1:50:31] Voice 9: so that's the first amendment the second amendment comes at the end of as not being in the public

[1:50:38] Voice 9: interest comma and does not have the consent of the rights and title holders of the area of the

[1:50:44] Voice 9: territory that's not named First Nation.

[1:50:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay so and perhaps so let's um do we understand the

[1:50:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): amendment?

[1:50:57] Voice 9: I think so um I'm still not sure we should have public that's in the public interest

[1:51:02] Voice 9: although I well

[1:51:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): let me speak to that because in the last several weeks we have received

[1:51:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): expressions from the public to say that they are not in support of it yeah and so

[1:51:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): So there's enough, we've received enough remarks to know that there are certainly community members, and being the public, that share some concerns.

[1:51:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Definitely, I'm okay with it, yeah.

[1:51:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then I'm just going to maybe pause for a moment and ask that we understand it, and then I'll ask for a vote on the amendment.

[1:51:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then I'm going to ask for the amended motion to be read out in its entirety.

[1:51:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): That would be a challenge if we got it there.

[1:51:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then it would be clear to Lisa, who's keeping the minutes for us,

[1:51:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): and to the members of the public what it is that we've done.

[1:51:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you understand the amendment?

[1:51:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Then I'm going to call the vote on the amendment.

[1:52:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[1:52:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that carries.

[1:52:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so now we're going to return to the amended motion on the table,

[1:52:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'm going to ask you to read that one more time.

[1:52:10] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:52:11] Voice 9: The Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee

[1:52:13] Voice 9: notes that considerable sustained objections to the subdivision continue to be expressed by the

[1:52:20] Voice 9: first nation and therefore resolves to one advise the provincial approving officer that the gabriella

[1:52:27] Voice 9: island local trust committee considers approval of the subdivision referrals gb sub 2024.1 and gb

[1:52:36] Voice 9: SUB 2024.2 Center Stage Holdings

[1:52:39] Voice 9: Motifile 2020-02789

[1:52:43] Voice 9: slash 02214 as not being

[1:52:47] Voice 9: in the public interest and does not have the consent of the rights

[1:52:52] Voice 9: and title holders of the territory that's the name of First Nation.

[1:52:56] Voice 9: I'll second that.

[1:52:59] Voice 16: Should we drop that one?

[1:53:02] Voice 22: Well, maybe we can vote on that one first.

[1:53:12] Voice 9: I think we should get staff advices to the necessity of advising the Lieutenant Governor

[1:53:19] Voice 9: and Council.

[1:53:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:53:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it's just the original motion had all of that and the amendment didn't include the

[1:53:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): leading.

[1:53:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Then

[1:53:27] Voice 9: I'll include it then.

[1:53:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[1:53:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we

[1:53:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): either have to-

[1:53:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sure.

[1:53:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): You're right.

[1:53:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[1:53:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thanks, John.

[1:53:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then if you're including anything, I think for clarity, right, for everybody's clarity,

[1:53:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): to read the motion as amended.

[1:53:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[1:53:45] Voice 9: You want me to do it?

[1:53:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, sure.

[1:53:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): The

[1:53:48] Voice 9: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee notes

[1:53:50] Voice 9: that considerable sustained objections to the subdivision

[1:53:52] Voice 9: continue to be expressed by the Synonym First Nation

[1:53:55] Voice 9: and therefore resolves to advise the Provincial Approving Officer

[1:53:58] Voice 9: that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[1:54:00] Voice 9: considers approval of subdivision referrals

[1:54:04] Voice 9: GBSUV 2024.1 and GBSUV 2024.2

[1:54:08] Voice 9: Center Stage Holdings, MOTI file 2020-02789-02214 is not being in the public interest and does not

[1:54:17] Voice 9: have the consent of the rights and title holders of the territory. This is in the name of First

[1:54:23] Voice 9: Nation. Two, advise the Lieutenant Governor and Council that the Gabriel Island Local Trust

[1:54:28] Voice 9: Committee considers the deposit of the subdivision plan of MOTI file 2020-02789-02214 as being

[1:54:36] Voice 9: against the public interest three and request staff for this resolution to the provincial

[1:54:41] Voice 9: approving officer and the lieutenant governor and council so

[1:54:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): well no that is the motion oh

[1:54:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's the original motion now we don't need to second it because it was seconded earlier we've

[1:54:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): amended it now that's the amended motion so now i'm going to turn to staff and we can certainly

[1:54:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): have another amendment if there's a recommendation to amend it in some fashion um what is your

[1:55:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): recommendation on the question about the legal merits of the motion that we're about to pass

[1:55:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): so

[1:55:13] Voice 9: through the chair looking

[1:55:16] Voice 7: at the three motions that are sitting on the floor

[1:55:21] Voice 7: there's one motion on the floor the other has been passed one motion

[1:55:25] Voice 7: the others the other one has passed so make a point of clarification yeah i would like to ask

[1:55:32] Voice 7: the first part of that motion advising the provincial approving officer has

[1:55:38] Voice 7: a resolution that has been carried yes so that may benefit this first part may benefit

[1:55:46] Voice 7: to refer to a referral response that will an additional response that would be provided

[1:55:53] Voice 7: so one clarification from myself to the ltc is if you wish to include that motion in

[1:56:03] Voice 7: that part of it in this entire motion or amend or leave it with the previously approved resolution.

[1:56:14] Voice 7: The second point of clarification regarding the second and third pieces of the motion on the floor, those can be advocacy letters provided to the lieutenant governor and council.

[1:56:30] Voice 7: Council. What I would like to add as consideration is if it's being sent to the Lieutenant Governor

[1:56:38] Voice 7: Council, it may need some other endorsements through EC. So I'm not saying that's why I

[1:56:47] Voice 7: would need to clarify.

[1:56:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, so certainly as a letter of advocacy, right, that would

[1:56:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): go through to Trust Area Services Director. Correct. And so further endorsement would

[1:57:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): be recommended if necessary so

[1:57:03] Voice 7: that's that's pretty sure that's what i'm clarifying i would

[1:57:06] Voice 7: like to confirm that so it's clear that the lcc could prepare for the letter the advocacy letter

[1:57:13] Voice 7: with those that that information contained in this motion and if it needs support for

[1:57:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): the executive

[1:57:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): so it sounds to me like there's two things that i've heard um reflecting that for everything

[1:57:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): expensive one is to in the at the beginning of this motion that's on the floor make a reference

[1:57:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the subdivision referral and that the second part of it should probably be removed deleting

[1:57:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): from this motion and be a separate motion that is to write letters of advocacy that would be more

[1:57:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): more clear. Okay. Do we understand

[1:57:53] Voice 9: that? Yeah. Yeah. That's why I thought two separate motions

[1:57:57] Voice 9: would be good.

[1:57:58] Voice 16: Yeah. So

[1:57:59] Voice 9: we could defeat that. So then

[1:58:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's defeat it.

[1:58:04] Voice 9: Yes. Now

[1:58:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's gotten

[1:58:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): too messy. Yeah.

[1:58:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So I'll call the vote. All those in favor? No. And then Chris Hollers.

[1:58:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): All opposed? And so now I'll leave it to you, Trustee Elliott, for the much more precise

[1:58:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): first motion and then we'll look for another motion to send letters of

[1:58:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): advocacy so

[1:58:26] Voice 9: thank you chair so then the first part thank you for the comments

[1:58:32] Voice 9: that I would add the statement the Gabriel local trust committee considered

[1:58:38] Voice 9: this dynamic first nation referral response to the development permit

[1:58:42] Voice 9: application in reference the number and requested that these comments in

[1:58:50] Voice 9: resolution GB 2024 whatever the resolution was that we just passed with the comments

[1:58:59] Voice 9: those comments before it into the room officer can you refer to another resolution is that messy

[1:59:09] Voice 7: you're the chair you can you can reference the response provided by the LTC

[1:59:18] Voice 7: Because we have that resolution already passed.

[1:59:22] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:59:24] Voice 9: And the response provided by the LTC.

[1:59:34] Voice 9: Okay. Do we want the section of, that we considered the name of First Nations referral response to the DP application?

[1:59:44] Voice 9: it's it informs the nation's position on the overall topic but maybe it's not necessary

[2:00:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): we should focus on the referral okay and the development

[2:00:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit is a separate

[2:00:06] Voice 9: thing um requests okay so then the sentence would just read the gabriella local trust

[2:00:16] Voice 9: committee requests that the response provided by the local trust committee be forwarded to

[2:00:21] Voice 9: the provincial approving officer in consideration of this subdivision application is that it

[2:00:29] Voice 9: would be

[2:00:30] Voice 7: appended to that first section

[2:00:32] Voice 7: and that allowed the opportunity for the lbc to provide all of your comments related to the

[2:00:42] Voice 7: subject vision referral response in addition to the staff technical comment okay thank you

[2:00:49] Voice 7: okay yeah so

[2:00:51] Voice 16: that's moved yeah we're clear do i

[2:00:54] Voice 9: need to read the whole thing again no not for me

[2:00:56] Voice 9: So we're just adding,

[2:00:58] Voice 9: so we're adding, Lisa, the,

[2:01:01] Voice 20: okay, the Gabriel

[2:01:06] Voice 9: Island Local Trust Committee notes that considerable sustained objections to the subdivision continue to be expressed by the Synonymic First Nation and therefore resolves to advise the Provincial Approving Officer that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee considers approval of the subdivision referrals GBSUB 2024.1 and GBSUB 2024.2

[2:01:26] Voice 9: center stage holdings multi-file 2020 point dash 02789 slash 02214 as not being in the public

[2:01:35] Voice 9: interest comma and does not have the consent to the rights and title holders of the territory

[2:01:40] Voice 9: this name of first nation the gb ltc the gabriel local trust committee requests that the response

[2:01:48] Voice 9: provided by the local trust committee be forwarded to the provincial approving officer

[2:01:54] Voice 9: officer in consideration of this subdivision application.

[2:01:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, moved and seconded.

[2:02:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Then, any further discussion?

[2:02:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[2:02:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): We'll have two carries.

[2:02:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[2:02:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): So now, the suggestion was that if we want to send this to the Lieutenant Governor and Council,

[2:02:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): that this should be an advocacy item.

[2:02:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): so

[2:02:19] Voice 9: is this requesting executive committee to write to the lieutenant governor's council

[2:02:25] Voice 10: the

[2:02:26] Voice 9: chair that's what

[2:02:28] Voice 7: i would like to confirm because i i'm unable to confirm that today

[2:02:33] Voice 7: with you but i would suspect being an advocacy letter sent to the lieutenant governor council

[2:02:40] Voice 7: so may require another level of

[2:02:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): endorsing so perhaps what we would do then is um motion to

[2:02:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): ask staff to provide us advice on

[2:02:52] Voice 14: sending

[2:02:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): an advocacy letter with respect to this application

[2:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the lieutenant you're

[2:03:00] Voice 7: the chair that would be clear to direct staff to and

[2:03:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): then you could craft

[2:03:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): after and we can approve it by RWF.

[2:03:08] Voice 7: And through the chair to direct staff to craft the letter

[2:03:12] Voice 7: with your information,

[2:03:13] Voice 7: we can clarify that information.

[2:03:15] Voice 9: I would like to say.

[2:03:16] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:03:17] Voice 9: And then that we don't have to meet again.

[2:03:20] Voice 9: We can just open letter

[2:03:21] Voice 18: by

[2:03:23] Voice 9: office through the chair.

[2:03:24] Voice 18: Yes.

[2:03:25] Voice 18: Chair, you could not have any discussion with your RWF.

[2:03:31] Voice 18: So it may come to a future, your next meeting.

[2:03:34] Voice 18: so you can receive that advice.

[2:03:40] Voice 9: So we're asking staff to provide

[2:03:41] Voice 9: advice and draft a letter

[2:03:43] Voice 9: to

[2:03:45] Voice 7: the chair

[2:03:47] Voice 7: if that is

[2:03:49] Voice 7: the direction you would like

[2:03:51] Voice 16: to get it.

[2:03:56] Voice 16: So how do we

[2:03:58] Voice 16: execute that?

[2:04:00] Voice 7: The

[2:04:02] Voice 7: direction to draft the letter

[2:04:04] Voice 7: is ultimately what the LTC

[2:04:06] Voice 7: would like. How that gets done

[2:04:08] Voice 7: may require an additional endorsement so i would like to confirm that a trust area service okay

[2:04:13] Voice 7: and then send so whether it's the ltc to be able to send that out to endorse it or with

[2:04:21] Voice 7: we can get that advice confirm that and pursue that okay so

[2:04:27] Voice 16: it'll get done yeah so

[2:04:29] Voice 9: is it okay

[2:04:29] Voice 9: to have provided advice and draft a letter in the same motion yeah i

[2:04:33] Voice 9: believe so because we will

[2:04:34] Voice 9: staff will check in with you

[2:04:36] Voice 9: if we all can see

[2:04:37] Voice 7: when the next

[2:04:40] Voice 7: local trust committee meeting.

[2:04:42] Voice 7: I think we have the ability to be able to

[2:04:45] Voice 7: draft information.

[2:04:46] Voice 7: So that will be the next trust committee meeting.

[2:04:49] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:04:52] Voice 9: So if I may move

[2:04:53] Voice 9: that the Gabriel Island Local Trust

[2:04:56] Voice 9: Committee request staff provide

[2:04:57] Voice 9: advice and draft a letter

[2:05:00] Voice 9: advising the Lieutenant Governor and

[2:05:02] Voice 9: Council that the Gabriel Island Local Trust

[2:05:04] Voice 9: Committee considers the deposit

[2:05:06] Voice 9: positive the subdivision plan of multi-file 2020-02789-02214 is being against the public

[2:05:15] Voice 9: interest.

[2:05:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Moved. Do I have a seconder? I can't second the motion. I just

[2:05:24] Voice 18: I was listening to the

[2:05:26] Voice 18: motion. I said provide advice and draft the letter. I don't believe it specifies what the advice is.

[2:05:31] Voice 18: I think we've had a discussion, but I think the motion should specify what advice you're looking for.

[2:05:39] Voice 18: Advocacy?

[2:05:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that sufficient?

[2:05:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): The process for? To advocate for?

[2:05:46] Voice 7: To send the letter to?

[2:05:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. Okay.

[2:05:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay,

[2:05:51] Voice 7: sorry. One more time.

[2:05:54] Voice 22: Advice, letter to?

[2:06:03] Voice 9: Okay, so advice on process in advising the lieutenant governor.

[2:06:22] Voice 9: Actually, appropriate.

[2:06:25] Voice 9: Yeah, I am. This is not a motion. Provide advice on the appropriate process to advise. That's it. Okay.

[2:06:32] Voice 9: Okay. So the motion, potentially, request staff provide advice on the appropriate process to advise the lieutenant governor and council, it's been about against the public interest, comma, and draft a letter to that effect.

[2:06:53] Voice 7: Through the chair, you could, you could say provide advice on the process to send a letter to the lieutenant governor.

[2:07:08] Voice 7: And to drop the letter.

[2:07:12] Voice 7: My fallback is always,

[2:07:14] Voice 16: as discussed.

[2:07:17] Voice 22: Drop the letter,

[2:07:19] Voice 16: as discussed.

[2:07:22] Voice 9: To provide advice on the process to send a letter to the Lieutenant Governor and Council

[2:07:25] Voice 9: and then drop the letter, as discussed.

[2:07:33] Voice 9: I

[2:07:34] Voice 18: didn't think you'd just like that.

[2:07:37] Voice 18: I would prefer you just specify

[2:07:42] Voice 18: what the letter is meant to be about.

[2:07:44] Voice 18: Okay. And

[2:07:49] Voice 16: so that was in the preamble of the original motion.

[2:07:51] Voice 16: Do you have anything to convey to the Lieutenant Governor

[2:07:53] Voice 16: regarding the process?

[2:08:02] Voice 7: Through the Chair, I have a suggestion.

[2:08:05] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:08:05] Voice 7: I think I'll probably, I'll be working on something to do this.

[2:08:13] Voice 7: Clarity to provide advice on the process and to send a letter to the Lieutenant Governor,

[2:08:21] Voice 7: drafts that letter regarding the real and ltc's consideration or the ltc's referral response

[2:08:33] Voice 7: letter to file as being against the public interest in referring to the subdivision

[2:08:45] Voice 7: referral response we can move that information exactly what you want me to do and give the

[2:08:54] Voice 7: lieutenant council to the head of what's going

[2:09:02] Voice 10: on i

[2:09:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): always find it challenging to have a motion

[2:09:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): and paraphrasing but promotion is all the same time because it just makes it up

[2:09:13] Voice 9: we have enough i believe in chair we have enough

[2:09:15] Voice 7: background information that you i don't believe

[2:09:19] Voice 7: it's necessary to explain in detail the advice right advice on the process yeah so the shorter

[2:09:30] Voice 7: and then keeping the rest of your desired motion or wording right

[2:09:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): because ultimately

[2:09:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're going to be seeking endorsement

[2:09:39] Voice 7: anyway if i have it through the chair

[2:09:50] Voice 7: okay

[2:09:51] Voice 16: so amongst us what do we have

[2:09:56] Voice 9: okay so request staff provide clarity on the process of sending a letter to the lieutenant

[2:10:01] Voice 9: governor and council that the gabriel island local trust committee considers the deposit

[2:10:06] Voice 9: of subdivision plan as being against the public interest comma and draft the letter accordingly

[2:10:14] Voice 9: thank you chair that's

[2:10:16] Voice 7: understood you can work

[2:10:17] Voice 7: that accomplishes what you don't see

[2:10:20] Voice 7: but to you

[2:10:20] Voice 16: okay yeah moved second yeah any further discussions all those in

[2:10:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): favor Lisa

[2:10:27] Voice 9: I'll email you

[2:10:28] Voice 9: the motion if you didn't get that and

[2:10:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): so is there anything further to do with the referral because

[2:10:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): now despite the fact that that clock is wrong I would like to come back to the development permit

[2:10:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit so we can conclude this application 8.2 and go have a lunch break and uh um so

[2:10:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): are we concluded with the referral to the approving officer yes yes so the development

[2:10:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit area we deferred that from earlier and um you know quite honestly against probably

[2:11:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): best staff advice i am implied to defer this until we hear a response back from the approving

[2:11:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): enough.

[2:11:12] Voice 7: Chair? Yes. We can put that motion in the sub-division application. Okay.

[2:11:21] Voice 9: It is simple that

[2:11:23] Voice 9: consideration of the development permit until response from the provincial approving officer

[2:11:28] Voice 9: on sub-division application is received.

[2:11:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I will move that the LTC defer the development

[2:11:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): the development permit approval until we have received a response from the approving officer

[2:11:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): regarding our referral.

[2:11:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Good?

[2:11:50] Voice 7: Through the Chair, I would like to share some considerations for the LDC in order of requesting

[2:12:00] Voice 7: a condition for the development permit, or sorry if you're asking for deferment, to consider

[2:12:07] Voice 7: a time a time frame as part of the deferment consideration and in terms of the process

[2:12:18] Voice 7: of the technical aspect the process of the development permit a development permit would

[2:12:24] Voice 7: need to be approved before the approving officer approves the subdivision so that may cause a bit

[2:12:30] Voice 7: of a hitch for lack of a better word where the approving officer may not be able to progress

[2:12:38] Voice 7: to a point may come back to the LTC so through the chair I haven't investigated I

[2:12:44] Voice 7: would like to

[2:12:46] Voice 7: get more information than that but that's a

[2:12:48] Voice 7: potential comparison that

[2:12:49] Voice 9: makes sense because

[2:12:51] Voice 9: we're asking to hear back from the provincial approving officer if the provincial approving

[2:12:56] Voice 9: officer indeed confirms this box has to be checked and need to move forward in the process we can

[2:13:02] Voice 9: reconsider uh the permit at that time yes

[2:13:07] Voice 7: did the chair that's that's the considerations i would

[2:13:13] Voice 7: like you to just share them for your discussion i

[2:13:20] Voice 9: it's um you moved the motion do

[2:13:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): you want to speak

[2:13:24] Voice 9: to it chair i

[2:13:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): understand you know i so i spoke with renee about this earlier actually and i don't

[2:13:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): have a full answer for it. What it says in what I've read is the final approval of the subdivision

[2:13:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): is contingent on having any development permits in place. And so I presume that somewhere along

[2:13:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): in there, I don't know how they run their business, but I presume that they would look at it

[2:13:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): and they go, oh yeah, this is okay. We're going to approve this, but we need the development

[2:13:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit. So we get a communication that would say, hey, we need that development permit. Can you get

[2:14:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): that to us and then the applicant would receive their subdivision approval that's sort of how i

[2:14:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): see it um that might be wrong but i think let's advance it and see what happens

[2:14:14] Voice 18: did you just share the some of the process that these subdivisions go through after we island's

[2:14:21] Voice 18: trust sends a referral to uh the premier officer to the district technician um for modi as we do

[2:14:27] Voice 18: to typically receive a response back with what's called a preliminary layout approval

[2:14:33] Voice 18: that lays out the different conditions that might be required for some division to be

[2:14:39] Voice 18: approved by the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[2:14:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): So is what you're saying then rejected at the front desk when it comes in because we

[2:14:49] Voice 18: haven't approved the development?

[2:14:52] Voice 18: what i'm saying is that this referral that islands that you you've seen the attachment there

[2:14:58] Voice 18: it identifies requirements from islands trust regulations when you're able to land use

[2:15:03] Voice 18: for approval and so that that goes to the ministry so they're aware

[2:15:08] Voice 18: and they compile that with any other referrals they may send

[2:15:13] Voice 18: to each other agencies or governments for and they send it back to typically to the applicant

[2:15:20] Voice 18: And usually we are included as well to see that, yes, one of the conditions is usually

[2:15:27] Voice 18: something along the lines of violence stress regulations being met.

[2:15:30] Voice 18: And then at that point is often when applicants seek a development permit or whatever other

[2:15:37] Voice 18: conditions may be included in a referral response to Moody.

[2:15:42] Voice 18: So that tends to be the process.

[2:15:45] Voice 18: In this case, the development permit has been applied for already before the subdivision

[2:15:51] Voice 18: referral has been sent to the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[2:16:01] Voice 14: So are you recommending that we advance this motion or not?

[2:16:06] Voice 18: I was not

[2:16:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): making a recommendation, I was just providing that information.

[2:16:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well then, so it's up to the local trust committee to determine based upon the information we've

[2:16:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): received from staff the advice in the in the report and the advice we just received now

[2:16:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): you want to advance this motion that i does somebody want to second that motion

[2:16:26] Voice 9: go ahead through

[2:16:29] Voice 7: the chair one other consideration um as planner brown brought that forward

[2:16:35] Voice 7: is as part of the motion to perhaps add that this resolution included in the referral response

[2:16:46] Voice 7: Oh,

[2:16:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah. Fair enough.

[2:16:48] Voice 7: Just so they have all of the information.

[2:16:51] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:16:52] Voice 7: And are aware that this development permit has been offered.

[2:16:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right.

[2:16:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So given that this is all in the same single application item, you can just include that. We don't need to give you a specific direction.

[2:17:05] Voice 7: I would.

[2:17:07] Voice 7: Okay, if you want specific direction.

[2:17:08] Voice 7: But I think specific direction to say and be included.

[2:17:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the motion should then be amended to say and include this motion in the referral.

[2:17:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): That would be critical.

[2:17:24] Voice 22: So

[2:17:26] Voice 7: that was your motion.

[2:17:28] Voice 7: Pardon?

[2:17:29] Voice 7: That was your motion.

[2:17:30] Voice 7: It hasn't been seconded.

[2:17:32] Voice 7: It won't suit in the top of the menu here.

[2:17:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I'm going to acknowledge the applicant.

[2:17:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): The applicant has their hand up.

[2:17:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you want to say something?

[2:17:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): This motion is...

[2:17:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): i yeah

[2:17:43] Voice 7: i need some clarity myself i thought that after we met all the requirements which we did

[2:17:54] Voice 7: for the dp you're right

[2:17:56] Voice 7: and then we were delayed one month and we

[2:18:01] Voice 9: were delayed two months

[2:18:02] Voice 7: and then

[2:18:03] Voice 7: we were delayed we were delayed for the referral to the first nations and the first nations

[2:18:07] Voice 7: responded

[2:18:11] Voice 7: that that would be

[2:18:12] Voice 7: that we've met the requirements

[2:18:14] Voice 9: this is an administration

[2:18:16] Voice 9: which I spent

[2:18:18] Voice 9: a lot of time and money

[2:18:20] Voice 9: meeting the requirements

[2:18:22] Voice 9: for if I would

[2:18:25] Voice 9: have known that it was

[2:18:27] Voice 9: all really just smoke

[2:18:29] Voice 9: and mirrors and

[2:18:30] Voice 9: someone else's new agenda

[2:18:32] Voice 9: and there was a new

[2:18:35] Voice 9: requirement placed upon me

[2:18:37] Voice 9: i would have made totally different decisions and i did what i was supposed to do

[2:18:45] Voice 9: asked by the i trust once again foolishly i trusted the trust now i've trusted the trust

[2:18:54] Voice 9: as i think a pretty good citizen of gabriola and now i'm getting told again oh

[2:19:00] Voice 9: fooled you we've got something else that we can and then i'll meet that requirement

[2:19:07] Voice 9: and then the goalposts will change again.

[2:19:11] Voice 9: This is not just about this or me or this VP.

[2:19:17] Voice 9: This is about the public needing consistent, accurate guidelines.

[2:19:26] Voice 9: This is about treating the public also with respect and fairness.

[2:19:33] Voice 9: And I have way better things to do with my money.

[2:19:37] Voice 9: than to update a geological report and to get a forestry report and to get the engineers.

[2:19:44] Voice 9: You know, I would have never, ever done it.

[2:19:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Understood, and I do.

[2:19:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think ultimately it will all become clear in the end, I think.

[2:19:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): But Trustee Elliott?

[2:19:59] Voice 9: If you want a subdivision, it is a condition of subdivision that you would get the development permit.

[2:20:04] Voice 9: You would have to do the work anyways.

[2:20:06] Voice 9: So it's not for nothing.

[2:20:07] Voice 9: thing it's just that we are requesting that there is an indication this subdivision would even move

[2:20:14] Voice 9: ahead before this ltc will issue a development permit that the nation has expressly said they

[2:20:22] Voice 9: do not consent to so the work would have to be done i'm sure your money has not been spent in

[2:20:29] Voice 9: vain if his subdivision has approved we would need the development permit anyways it's just

[2:20:35] Voice 9: an order of consequence no i started my development permit before the publication after

[2:20:42] Voice 9: this this

[2:20:43] Voice 6: subdivision application went infinite and i i thought okay you know

[2:20:48] Voice 16: i have a lot of

[2:20:49] Voice 16: patience but and

[2:20:50] Voice 6: and

[2:20:51] Voice 7: so i need the requirements and now you're saying the rules are different

[2:21:00] Voice 7: requirements. You know, the rules have to be the rules. And what do we depend on? Just start

[2:21:11] Voice 7: driving on the other side of the road? Or what do we do here?

[2:21:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anything's possible, I guess. But you

[2:21:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): know, quite frankly, the options before me as the chair is I move the motion to approve the

[2:21:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): development permit, and two trustees are going to vote against it. You still don't have your

[2:21:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit well

[2:21:28] Voice 7: that that's up to them no

[2:21:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's up to you you're right and so what i'm offering

[2:21:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): is just defer this and see what comes to the com the referral back to the approving officer

[2:21:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): and maybe there's some variation on a theme that comes out of it and maybe we can improve

[2:21:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): a development permit at some point i

[2:21:44] Voice 9: i you see i have okay that's

[2:21:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): all i have

[2:21:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have nothing further to add.

[2:21:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's just over.

[2:21:56] Voice 9: You know, I just can't take your word for anything

[2:21:58] Voice 9: because I've been here so many times.

[2:22:01] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:22:01] Voice 9: I've been personally attacked, been abused, been bullied.

[2:22:04] Voice 9: And, you know, it's...

[2:22:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I want to continue the conversation at this table.

[2:22:10] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:22:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's a motion on the floor.

[2:22:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): If you don't agree with it,

[2:22:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): then we can simply vote on it to advance it or not.

[2:22:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you understand what the motion is?

[2:22:22] Voice 9: I'm a little lost to defer.

[2:22:25] Voice 9: And then what was the...

[2:22:27] Voice 9: Lisa, do you have that motion?

[2:22:29] Voice 23: Through the chair, yes, I do.

[2:22:32] Voice 23: Move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:22:35] Voice 23: defer the development permit approval

[2:22:38] Voice 23: until they have received response

[2:22:40] Voice 23: from the approving officer regarding the referral

[2:22:43] Voice 23: and include this motion in the referral.

[2:22:49] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:22:51] Voice 10: I'll second that.

[2:22:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So moved and seconded. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Okay. So then, if I'm not mistaken, that concludes 8.2. Let's break for lunch, and we'll come back at 1.30.

[2:23:09] Voice 12: All right. Thank

[2:23:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): you, everybody, for being here today. I just got to see you. We're coming in joining us today.

[2:23:48] Voice 10: Thank you for watching.

[2:25:25] Voice 11: I'm sending text.

[2:53:55] Voice 11: lisa are you with us yes i'm

[2:54:01] Voice 22: here thank

[2:54:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much um thank you for sticking with us through

[2:54:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): that um thank

[2:54:07] Voice 4: you for everything lisa you're amazing i

[2:54:10] Voice 23: need i need toby's notes thanks

[2:54:14] Voice 7: oh yes

[2:54:15] Voice 23: so

[2:54:18] Voice 7: i think we are at 1 30.

[2:54:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): close um so welcome back to the local trust committee

[2:54:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee meeting of May the 23rd, we certainly had an active and productive morning. We

[2:54:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): concluded, we jumped around the agenda a bit, we concluded item 8.2, and I'm going to stick to

[2:54:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): applications and referrals and go to item 8.1, Gabriela rezoning 2022.1, Moen, and the applicant

[2:54:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): is in the room with us here today.

[2:54:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so the process is we hear this summary

[2:55:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the staff report,

[2:55:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then I'll give you the opportunity

[2:55:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): to speak to the application if you agree

[2:55:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): or concur with the recommendations that staff have,

[2:55:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): or if you have any new information you'd like to offer us.

[2:55:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then we'll have a conversation at this table

[2:55:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we may ask you questions as we may ask staff questions,

[2:55:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then we'll make a decision here.

[2:55:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): So with that said, Gabrielle is zoning 2022.1.

[2:55:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): over to you okay thank you thank you plan about this

[2:55:31] Voice 18: report introduces

[2:55:33] Voice 18: proposed bylaws for 750 Tin Can Alley to change the land use designation in the

[2:55:39] Voice 18: OCP from local commercial to village commercial and the zoning from local

[2:55:44] Voice 18: commercial 3 to a new site specific zone called village commercial 3 the village

[2:55:51] Voice 18: center development permit area is also proposed to be extended off this

[2:55:54] Voice 18: this property. And the new Village Commercial 3 zone would expand the uses that are currently

[2:56:00] Voice 18: permitted on the lot to allow flexibility for future development of the property. The

[2:56:06] Voice 18: new proposed uses are retail sales and rentals, personal services, restaurant, bakeries, limited

[2:56:14] Voice 18: public market, and offices. And in addition, the bylaw proposes two dwelling units to be

[2:56:20] Voice 18: permitted on the lot with one of those units being secured as a portable housing through a housing

[2:56:25] Voice 18: agreement. The zone also requires that buildings and structures for principal uses be connected to

[2:56:31] Voice 18: a rainwater harvesting and collection system. So the bylaws are there for you and the recommendations

[2:56:40] Voice 18: to give for treating and to send referrals to First Nations agencies or other governments.

[2:56:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Very good. Okay, thank you, Planner Bough. So I'll turn to the applicant, Kent, is it?

[2:56:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[2:56:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you have any remarks? Do you concur with the recommendations from staff?

[2:56:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah,

[2:57:00] Voice 20: I read through it, and it's pretty much what we've been talking about, and we had some discussions between Stephen and I.

[2:57:10] Voice 20: Okay,

[2:57:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): excellent. Thank you. So, trustees, what would you like to do with this? Do you have any questions for staff or the applicant?

[2:57:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Yep.

[2:57:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Elliott.

[2:57:19] Voice 9: Thank you, sir.

[2:57:22] Voice 9: So just in reviewing the report, I'm more concerned mostly about water and the extent of the uses

[2:57:35] Voice 9: and whether that's been adequately calculated, you know, for a 60-seat restaurant, bakery, and all the other uses.

[2:57:45] Voice 9: is so um and noting that the well test although i think 0.005 is that liters per second yeah

[2:57:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): lots of different numbers 0

[2:58:01] Voice 9: .006 and 0.005 liters per second um it does seem to be in the

[2:58:07] Voice 9: lower range of all the other wells in the um in the area so i know that there's consideration of

[2:58:15] Voice 9: rainwater harvesting and cisterns cistern collection for a lot of the water use um

[2:58:25] Voice 9: my my thought on this is whether it actually could be fleshed out a bit more as to the

[2:58:31] Voice 9: clarity of how much you know a 60 seat restaurant is going to pull

[2:58:37] Voice 9: plus a nursery plus two family dwellings and accessory dwellings

[2:58:43] Voice 9: i didn't really see that calculated anywhere um unless i'm missing it so i've got the

[2:58:53] Voice 9: and so my thought was would this be something that our um freshwater specialist william

[2:58:59] Voice 9: schulbach would be able to look at the report and sort of assess this against other similar

[2:59:07] Voice 9: similar proposals and their water usage in the Islands Trust area, looking at the well

[2:59:13] Voice 9: test and all of that before it's sent for referral. I just, I don't know if he'd be

[2:59:19] Voice 9: able to provide that expertise.

[2:59:23] Voice 18: So we could certainly refer this to the senior freshwater specialist William Chobha and as

[2:59:33] Voice 18: far as what he would, exactly what he could provide us. I'm not, I'm not sure, but we

[2:59:39] Voice 18: can certainly make a request for the particular information you're seeking and if he weren't

[2:59:44] Voice 18: wasn't able to then you could make a request for additional information from the applicant as well

[2:59:49] Voice 12: yeah so

[2:59:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): were you suggesting we send it simultaneously to William or beforehand

[2:59:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:59:56] Voice 9: would want to see so the water usage

[3:00:00] Voice 9: requirements I'm looking at page 62 this is a very small analysis I would say and

[3:00:09] Voice 9: we're talking about you know a lot more development capacity and so the you have

[3:00:19] Voice 9: indicated that most of the water for garden coat watering could be sourced

[3:00:22] Voice 9: from way rain water estimated current usage but to me this is kind of a

[3:00:27] Voice 9: critical piece and it's what i and i think lots of um residents want to know is how much water

[3:00:36] Voice 9: would be drawn from the aquifer how much would be sourced from rain rainwater and if it can't

[3:00:42] Voice 9: be collected and not water collected you know how many trucks of refill would you be expecting

[3:00:49] Voice 9: So I just find the report and the plan a little insufficient to be able to make a decision

[3:00:58] Voice 9: right now about the number of uses that the zoning is proposing to put on the site.

[3:01:14] Voice 9: That's the end of my comments.

[3:01:15] Voice 9: So I want to have this report reviewed by William Shulva as to whether the permitted

[3:01:22] Voice 9: principal uses and accessory uses um and the water supply information is adequate

[3:01:35] Voice 9: and what are the potential implications it's just for me it was the 60 seat restaurant i've worked

[3:01:46] Voice 9: in restaurants i've worked for your nursery just to be clear or i don't know if that's a conflict

[3:01:51] Voice 9: of interest um but i've worked for pretty much most of the servants um organizations on the on

[3:01:58] Voice 9: on the island so you're not working for them i'm not

[3:02:00] Voice 9: working for anybody at the moment let's worry

[3:02:03] Voice 9: unless you are but i know that you know a lot of these um commercial uses use a lot of water

[3:02:11] Voice 9: so i don't really see a clear calculation of that because the permitted principal uses isn't really

[3:02:18] Voice 9: fleshed out there isn't which i understand you don't want to do the i won't do all the drawings

[3:02:25] Voice 9: and all the preliminary work if you don't have the zoning.

[3:02:27] Voice 9: So I'm not looking for a site plan, so to speak,

[3:02:33] Voice 9: but a little more analysis of the water use

[3:02:36] Voice 9: and then how much would be expected to be collected

[3:02:40] Voice 9: from rainwater realistically.

[3:02:42] Voice 9: That's, I think that's a conversation before this.

[3:02:46] Voice 9: I'm ready to do first reading on this and refer it out.

[3:02:54] Voice 8: So Chair Luck, I might have a similar comment.

[3:02:57] Voice 8: My

[3:02:58] Voice 7: first thought was water. I'm having a pretty good idea of the amount of water that's required

[3:03:07] Voice 7: for

[3:03:08] Voice 9: most commercial uses. And my biggest concern is that there are no development plans provided

[3:03:16] Voice 9: with this application. So we're not really sure what the actual water needs are going

[3:03:22] Voice 9: to be and I too would like to see this referred to William Showa, the freshwater specialist,

[3:03:28] Voice 9: but I don't know if he would be able to add any more information that this already we've got

[3:03:34] Voice 9: something from the hydrogeologist already without knowing a little bit more detail about what the

[3:03:41] Voice 9: plans are for this development.

[3:03:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well I'm sure that he would be able to offer us advice and that may

[3:03:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): i mean that you know i'm sure it would be helpful i hope so

[3:03:56] Voice 9: i mean it doesn't it certainly doesn't

[3:03:59] Voice 9: hurt to ask my other comments

[3:04:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh the report doesn't indicate it does indicate that there

[3:04:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): there were no concerns yeah

[3:04:10] Voice 9: i i know that notes also that a lot of the current water use

[3:04:15] Voice 9: could be provided by rainwater

[3:04:17] Voice 12: whether

[3:04:18] Voice 9: it will be or not is another thing but if an additional

[3:04:22] Voice 9: Well, it's real like to me. Yeah, I

[3:04:28] Voice 20: mean on the rezoning the stuff it's requiring any buildings to come with rainwater harvesting.

[3:04:40] Voice 20: So that's built into the application or rezoning.

[3:04:46] Voice 20: and currently we're probably the highest water use of anything on the island right now due to

[3:04:55] Voice 20: watering plants every day during the summer from May till September every year for the last 20

[3:05:02] Voice 20: years and that can easily be done with rainwater there's no legal regulations that say I can't

[3:05:11] Voice 20: water so all of the water that we're currently using could easily support any of this development

[3:05:20] Voice 20: and the 60 seat restaurant i just picked that up and i don't know i have no idea

[3:05:28] Voice 9: it's a big difference between a cafe bakery and a 60 seat restaurant

[3:05:32] Voice 9: it indicates

[3:05:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): actually that the water usage is relatively small but what you're saying is

[3:05:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and by comparison to adjacent lots it's significant yeah

[3:05:46] Voice 20: i mean we're we we seriously water the holes

[3:05:50] Voice 20: are going all day every day or something

[3:05:53] Voice 20: until september and that's coming

[3:05:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): out of cisterns that's

[3:05:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): why yes i don't have any way of mentioning so

[3:06:01] Voice 9: what

[3:06:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): would you like to do oh

[3:06:04] Voice 9: there's a comment from

[3:06:05] Voice 9: I

[3:06:06] Voice 18: can write a couple of comments. One is noted in the report that a groundwater license would

[3:06:12] Voice 18: be required for further commercial development on the property and part of that process would

[3:06:19] Voice 18: be to ensure there's sufficient water for the uses and it's further down the line so

[3:06:27] Voice 18: it would be specific to the actual development. Currently there's no development plans associated

[3:06:32] Voice 18: associated with the application, and so it's really seeking to add flexibility to what's permitted on the lot without a specific plan for exactly which uses, if all of the uses or some of those uses are built out.

[3:06:49] Voice 9: Yeah, I get that. So my other comment is because this now becomes part of the village area type, like specific village commercial zone,

[3:06:59] Voice 9: in many of the discussions i attended with the village visioning we talked about affordable

[3:07:09] Voice 9: housing affordable rental housing above the commercial units similar to what madrona has

[3:07:18] Voice 9: over there but instead of office or could be office too you would have affordable rental

[3:07:24] Voice 9: that is really important to me that is way more important to me than having two extra dwellings

[3:07:31] Voice 9: on that property that one could be affordable and one not that take up a lot of space

[3:07:41] Voice 9: infrastructure that kind of thing you are in an ideal location to provide rental space above your

[3:07:49] Voice 9: commercial operation and as far as i'm concerned that's kind of part of the village visioning which

[3:07:54] Voice 9: which allows you to now be included in the village commission.

[3:08:01] Voice 9: I'm looking back 30 years when that was the only place where we had a nursery,

[3:08:09] Voice 9: and the community was adamantly against any commercial operation at all.

[3:08:14] Voice 9: They had to really work hard to get just a nursery.

[3:08:17] Voice 9: They donated that entire property for Y-Lo.

[3:08:20] Voice 9: you know so times are changing but i personally still would like to see

[3:08:29] Voice 9: someone who's doing a development and expanding their ability to make more money in a good way

[3:08:35] Voice 9: in the community to offer something like affordable housing and the cheapest way to do it

[3:08:44] Voice 9: and the most efficient is to have it on the second in fact even the even the little roundup

[3:08:50] Voice 9: cafe has affordable housing of the restaurant only one but you know it seems like it would

[3:08:57] Voice 9: be an ideal thing to offer this community so those are my only comments okay

[3:09:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we'll need

[3:09:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): a motion if we want to redirect this and um i don't know what other emotions we really

[3:09:16] Voice 7: So that's, yeah, so I

[3:09:18] Voice 9: concur with the sentiments, I guess I would ask the applicant, are you

[3:09:27] Voice 9: open to having both residences be affordable housing or some combination of the accessory

[3:09:36] Voice 9: dwellings because there's potentially four units right that would be allocated

[3:09:43] Voice 9: is that right no there's

[3:09:45] Voice 18: maximum two units per minute one of which is proposed

[3:09:51] Voice 18: at this point one of which is proposed to be affordable what

[3:09:56] Voice 9: about this with

[3:09:57] Voice 9: two accessory dwellings with each

[3:09:59] Voice 18: oh I'm not sure there's two accessory

[3:10:05] Voice 18: dwelling units permitted and there's accessory buildings permitted to not

[3:10:10] Voice 9: accessory dwellings

[3:10:13] Voice 9: so thank you because i was unclear because i thought the zoning was going to go from three

[3:10:18] Voice 9: to four because three was an uneven number i read that somewhere

[3:10:23] Voice 9: let me just i need to ask some questions about that so what i envision is not more large

[3:10:32] Voice 9: in residential homes unless of

[3:10:34] Voice 9: course it's for you to live in which makes perfect

[3:10:36] Voice 9: i envision

[3:10:38] Voice 9: because of community concerns over the last 20 years that have been stated at the village

[3:10:44] Voice 9: visioning events we want our commercial enterprises now to have dwellings on the

[3:10:51] Voice 9: second level it's efficient it's it's a pleasant way to live you know it's a great combination of

[3:10:58] Voice 9: residential and commercial and i really believe that you're in an ideal location

[3:11:03] Voice 9: so what i envision is that we move this forward but then when this comes to public hearing

[3:11:11] Voice 9: you'll have a little bit more to offer to the community in what they really need i mean we

[3:11:19] Voice 9: might need more retail and all that too i'm i'm not the one to determine that but i know we need

[3:11:26] Voice 9: okay withdraw my questions about the permanent buildings and structures i see it there thank you

[3:11:37] Voice 10: um

[3:11:42] Voice 9: well it's it is tricky for commercial operators to offer residential housing

[3:11:49] Voice 9: i don't know what your thoughts are on that um but yeah what would you say well

[3:11:57] Voice 9: Well,

[3:11:57] Voice 20: when I first approached Planner Dupenik with this idea, I had no intent of adding residential at all.

[3:12:11] Voice 20: It was a recommendation from her to add because the property could do it and having at least a affordable unit would be a good thing.

[3:12:24] Voice 20: So that's where that came from.

[3:12:26] Voice 6: And I

[3:12:28] Voice 20: thought, well, you

[3:12:29] Voice 6: know,

[3:12:30] Voice 20: one could be designated affordable, the other one could be available, but it may down the road be an owner's suite or a manager's suite or something like that.

[3:12:41] Voice 20: You know, eventually I'll want to retire.

[3:12:46] Voice 20: So that's where it's like one could be designated affordable, maybe we should designate both.

[3:12:52] Voice 8: Right.

[3:12:55] Voice 20: That's where I came from. It never was in my head at the beginning to have residential on there.

[3:13:03] Voice 20: And you know two is the maximum we can have.

[3:13:06] Voice 20: But

[3:13:06] Voice 9: I think we need to be looking at that because when we're talking about floor space and about how much occupancy space.

[3:13:15] Voice 9: Well two may be the maximum you can have with our current, you know,

[3:13:18] Voice 9: the way we build individual homes taking up lots of space and infrastructure we need to be creative

[3:13:27] Voice 9: and as we go forward i would envision four or six small nice units depending on how big your bottom

[3:13:36] Voice 9: you know how much you have on the bottom all to the benefit of your business actually when you

[3:13:43] Voice 9: have people living above. I don't see just two. That is, to me, archaic in this day and age.

[3:13:50] Voice 9: I see smaller, nice units for rental. I live in 830 square feet, quite happily.

[3:14:01] Voice 9: Should we say apartments? Is the word apartments allowed to be said on Gabriel?

[3:14:09] Voice 20: in my head i'm i'm moving the entire garden center to the back okay so

[3:14:16] Voice 20: there's two existing

[3:14:17] Voice 20: buildings there so the building at the back would then become probably another greenhouse

[3:14:21] Voice 20: and a retail space with a unit above it um there's two existing buildings there that would

[3:14:30] Voice 20: would be as is one might become a cafe the other one might become a um this restaurant or something

[3:14:37] Voice 20: um the other buildings that could possibly happen would be smaller and little shops sort of thing

[3:14:47] Voice 20: i'm told that there's something like what i had in my head on um oh what's the island uh you have

[3:14:54] Voice 20: to take a cable ferry over and then

[3:14:57] Voice 9: hornby hornby has

[3:14:59] Voice 9: what

[3:15:00] Voice 20: i had in my head

[3:15:01] Voice 20: that i can't describe

[3:15:02] Voice 9: circle yeah

[3:15:04] Voice 20: i've seen some photos online and it sort of looks close yeah

[3:15:08] Voice 22: so

[3:15:09] Voice 20: this is what's in my

[3:15:11] Voice 20: head i'm not thinking of big huge buildings and you know lots of apartments that

[3:15:19] Voice 7: sort of thing

[3:15:20] Voice 7: just

[3:15:21] Voice 20: so we're you know where i'm coming from um yeah that's what's in my head and the whole

[3:15:29] Voice 20: point of this is i think if i can't diversify this business is going to disappear um so we've

[3:15:39] Voice 20: seen what's happened at twin beaches and that's that's direct attack at 50 of my business yeah

[3:15:45] Voice 20: so that's just the realities of the world

[3:15:50] Voice 9: totally i completely get that and

[3:15:54] Voice 9: really you're ideally

[3:15:55] Voice 9: located to create a little village hub absolutely and mixed use um site would be nice um i agree

[3:16:04] Voice 9: with trustee yates that when you're building infrastructure anyways the cheapest way to build

[3:16:10] Voice 9: and affordable housing is to use existing infrastructure or go above um i guess that's

[3:16:16] Voice 9: why i wanted to know your appetite for that because if there's no desire you could get the

[3:16:21] Voice 9: zoning for it but never build it right and that's kind of a are we making a social contract with the

[3:16:26] Voice 9: community as this will go through lots of process and readings and consultation so we're at the

[3:16:33] Voice 9: beginning. But I guess to be aware of that, by putting

[3:16:38] Voice 9: housing in there, there does really need to be a willingness

[3:16:41] Voice 9: that that's what you want to do. Otherwise, you just won't use it

[3:16:46] Voice 9: in the zone. Right. And then you can get all those other uses,

[3:16:50] Voice 9: but the community wouldn't necessarily achieve a benefit of

[3:16:54] Voice 9: housing. So it's, but I would love to see a more fleshed out

[3:16:59] Voice 9: a plan and they just it's kind of feels like guesswork right now um and it feels too early

[3:17:07] Voice 9: to refer it but to refer it to the agency because i just don't think there's i think what kind of

[3:17:18] Voice 9: comment will we get back

[3:17:19] Voice 10: so

[3:17:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): obviously the applicant's applications is what we've conceived

[3:17:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can

[3:17:29] Voice 9: we ask Planner Bell, is it too early to refer it at this stage?

[3:17:37] Voice 18: So, to ensure the LTC is not at a point where they wish to give by-law readings, then it would not recommend referring the by-law at this stage.

[3:17:50] Voice 18: because it's just a draft bylaw it's not been given any the LTC hasn't decided that that's

[3:18:00] Voice 18: something they're interested in proceeding with and so I would not recommend referring of the

[3:18:06] Voice 18: bylaw if you don't decide that you do not wish to give a first reading today but you could seek

[3:18:11] Voice 18: additional information in the form of referring to the senior fresh water specialist for information

[3:18:18] Voice 18: on water or you could see you know ask for development plans or additional information

[3:18:26] Voice 18: from the applicant as well.

[3:18:28] Voice 9: Yeah I mean there's some of these I'd be happy to kind of move along

[3:18:33] Voice 9: but it's probably better if they all move along at the same time you know and I do want to see

[3:18:39] Voice 9: it move along I you know but as I say we're in a different era now than we were 30 more than 30

[3:18:48] Voice 9: years ago actually when the wild rose nursery first came into being and we now know that the

[3:18:54] Voice 9: the best way for the public to at a public hearing when this goes to public hearing your best options

[3:19:02] Voice 9: for approval from the community is i really believe just to offer housing and i'm sorry that

[3:19:09] Voice 9: this limits it to two because i don't i don't think it should limit it to two i think it should

[3:19:17] Voice 9: be based on

[3:19:18] Voice 12: availability

[3:19:20] Voice 9: of water and availability to what you know enormous houses like we're used

[3:19:27] Voice 9: to seeing built or well

[3:19:30] Voice 16: it all depends on the scope of the project and

[3:19:33] Voice 9: as you say you know you

[3:19:34] Voice 9: don't know how many commercial buildings you want right now either and it will depend on that and

[3:19:40] Voice 9: what their layout is yeah you know maybe you can only offer two and if you can only do that then

[3:19:48] Voice 9: that's okay too but two is better than none um but i'd like to see like four or six

[3:19:56] Voice 9: that's just my personal wishes knowing what the community has been saying for the last 20 years

[3:20:03] Voice 9: at village vision events where every commercial development now should have residential above

[3:20:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): of.

[3:20:12] Voice 9: Yeah, it's been consistent. So

[3:20:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): in all the scenarios that talk about the water seems to be

[3:20:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): the question that needs to be answered here. Is that correct?

[3:20:22] Voice 9: I'd say two questions. Is the

[3:20:25] Voice 9: applicant wanting to consider more dwellings, whatever size, whatever configuration of affordable

[3:20:32] Voice 9: housing? And then is there enough information in the report that freshwater specialist William

[3:20:38] Voice 9: in Shulba could take a look and assess, you know, if there were two dwelling units and

[3:20:44] Voice 9: this is the draw, this is the use. I just think this needs more work. You need to actually

[3:20:50] Voice 9: define what you want to do, because it's really hard to say we should approve this zoning

[3:20:56] Voice 9: when we don't, there's such a range of uses in here, but you actually don't know what

[3:21:01] Voice 9: you want to do. So it's like, how do we, how do we get that information?

[3:21:08] Voice 9: Is

[3:21:11] Voice 18: it sure that information would normally be provided in the form of a development plan

[3:21:14] Voice 18: of building elevations, floor plans, uh, uh, uh, location and buildings, um, uses.

[3:21:27] Voice 10: So

[3:21:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're saying we should be asking for a development plan?

[3:21:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Through the

[3:21:34] Voice 9: chair, another consideration, this is for permitting land uses. So

[3:21:37] Voice 7: a

[3:21:38] Voice 9: landowner may not know what is what the plan could be at this current time so the contemplation

[3:21:47] Voice 9: is what

[3:21:48] Voice 7: permitted use is to what extent the LTC is wishing to consider and then a future

[3:21:56] Voice 7: development permit building permit would come forth to actually specify what exactly is getting

[3:22:04] Voice 7: built. So it is a bit of what degree of flexibility for that information you wish to consider

[3:22:12] Voice 7: for the rezone for the zoning application. So

[3:22:18] Voice 7: that you may not always have all of the

[3:22:21] Voice 7: development information up front, but to what extent you can.

[3:22:29] Voice 9: And I mean, I think it's good to give you our ideas right now and our sentiments. But

[3:22:35] Voice 9: that

[3:22:36] Voice 3: the public will, at some point, chime in to when it goes to public hearing.

[3:22:46] Voice 12: The

[3:22:47] Voice 9: good parts, I commend you on, you know, the willingness to transfer everything over to rainwater supply.

[3:22:56] Voice 9: I do encourage you to exercise the OCP policy 7.4,

[3:23:01] Voice 9: low water use, extra retention of rainwater, runoff in cisterns and ponds.

[3:23:06] Voice 9: you know as much as we can do to make things not gravel and cement and just water evaporating but

[3:23:15] Voice 9: actually getting recycled into the whole system

[3:23:18] Voice 6: it'll

[3:23:20] Voice 9: be great to see some kind of model of that

[3:23:23] Voice 9: um and i'm glad that you got the sewerage and the water use report thank you

[3:23:38] Voice 9: it's just hard to decide i have a question um might help us a little bit here um platter bow

[3:23:45] Voice 9: i'll ask you this question in the um in the draft bylaw 319 the land use bylaw um it's to create a

[3:23:54] Voice 9: new site-specific village commercial zone that's great um and to allow a broader range of commercial

[3:24:02] Voice 9: And up to two dwelling units. Is that totally constrained to two? Like, where does that number two come from?

[3:24:11] Voice 18: So, yes, it is restricted. The proposed zone is restricted to a maximum of two dwelling units.

[3:24:21] Voice 18: And that is essentially, I mean, there's a couple of things. There's an OTP policy about increasing density.

[3:24:31] Voice 18: city yeah um there's also currently the lot has subdivision potential and is permitted one dwelling

[3:24:42] Voice 18: unit per lot so which is two dwelling units for the the current size lot this proposed zone

[3:24:47] Voice 18: removes the subdivision potential but would permit up to two volume units on the lot right

[3:24:55] Voice 18: And so that's a way of maintaining that same density.

[3:25:00] Voice 18: Yeah, I get that.

[3:25:04] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm just finding that I totally get maintaining the density, but it

[3:25:12] Voice 9: doesn't relate at all to the actual effect on the environment. We could have two enormous homes,

[3:25:20] Voice 9: right? Just huge. Or we could have six really nice affordable housing units using way less

[3:25:27] Voice 9: infrastructure way less resources way less water and we've got to start thinking differently

[3:25:34] Voice 9: you know we have to start looking at land use coverage and square foot per ratios and that

[3:25:40] Voice 9: kind of thing um but we'll never get out of this crazy syndrome we have where we cover a lot with

[3:25:50] Voice 9: ability so yeah so do you have an answer to that

[3:25:55] Voice 18: just just i know this doesn't i'm not aware of

[3:26:01] Voice 18: zoning like this on gabriola but i believe other local trust areas do have zoning that

[3:26:06] Voice 18: looks at the floor area of a

[3:26:10] Voice 18: dwelling as opposed to the number of flooring events or

[3:26:13] Voice 18: some combination perhaps but um that's another way of looking at density i

[3:26:18] Voice 9: know we have some

[3:26:19] Voice 9: my wish list for the overview unfortunately yes i mean that is how we should be looking at it

[3:26:26] Voice 9: really and truly if we're actually concerned about environmental protection and stewardship

[3:26:31] Voice 9: we should be concerned about floor area ratio that's yeah

[3:26:36] Voice 9: so

[3:26:37] Voice 10: could

[3:26:40] Voice 9: we request staff explore options about the total floor square total square footage ratio

[3:26:48] Voice 9: um being applied to dwellings instead of number of units in respect to this but we've got lots of

[3:26:57] Voice 9: documentation on this the housing um baseline report that's been done there's been a lot of

[3:27:05] Voice 9: analysis on the little square area footage it's not in our end use bylaw as a defining

[3:27:12] Voice 9: characteristic but is that a lot of work to see how that might be applied here

[3:27:20] Voice 9: to allow even more flexibility for the future and the other thing is our OEP it's not set in stone

[3:27:26] Voice 9: we have had in the past I know because I was a trustee and we have had applications come to us

[3:27:32] Voice 9: that actually changed the OCP and the OEP and then you know later on that's incorporated in the new

[3:27:39] Voice 9: because that happens I mean applications come for it that can't wait for whenever our OCP

[3:27:47] Voice 9: maybe it might be done who knows as i always say i'll be dead by then so you know now is when we

[3:27:54] Voice 9: should start thinking creatively and and that's not to hold you to anything at all it's just some

[3:28:00] Voice 9: ideas that might give you a better response from the public when it does grow to public hearing

[3:28:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): and i don't know it seems to me like these are much bigger broader

[3:28:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): concepts and projects and can be contained within what is essentially a spot zoning

[3:28:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): project this is a spot zoning right

[3:28:22] Voice 9: well we're extending myself

[3:28:25] Voice 9: well i guess it's a spot zoning but we're actually adding this property to the village

[3:28:32] Voice 9: kind of area in the sense of the map you know and what we consider village so there's a catchment

[3:28:39] Voice 9: area is that right so the village zoning but this is an amended version like the village s3 or

[3:28:46] Voice 9: something

[3:28:46] Voice 7: so this

[3:28:47] Voice 18: is a site-specific zone that would only apply to this property but it is also

[3:28:51] Voice 18: included within your ocp designation that village commercial area is the village center development

[3:28:57] Voice 18: permit

[3:28:57] Voice 22: area yeah

[3:28:58] Voice 18: so that's that's where it is related to this um village commercial village

[3:29:03] Voice 18: center um but it is a site-specific zone yeah so it only applied to this one property

[3:29:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And

[3:29:11] Voice 14: ideally it has to be dealt with in context to the other properties in that

[3:29:17] Voice 12: area.

[3:29:19] Voice 18: Well, the LTC can direct amendments and it is possible that we look at other ways of

[3:29:34] Voice 18: So for this zone, regulating the density of housing units.

[3:29:41] Voice 18: We would need direction to explore that

[3:29:44] Voice 18: and to come back to you with some information about that

[3:29:47] Voice 18: and then direction on that.

[3:29:48] Voice 18: If you're looking for a particular density,

[3:29:51] Voice 18: if it's a particular floor area number

[3:29:54] Voice 18: or a particular number of units,

[3:29:55] Voice 18: then you need to provide that direction as well.

[3:29:58] Voice 18: Touched you, Elliot.

[3:30:00] Voice 9: So what I was looking at was tool three in the housing options toolkit.

[3:30:06] Voice 9: This is zoning and policy options.

[3:30:10] Voice 9: And what we've been working towards in the regional planning team is defining the different types of policy options you want to have in your OCP to apply, to have that flexibility to apply.

[3:30:23] Voice 9: So rather than a site-specific zoning, for instance, does the applicant want to consider requiring workforce housing as a condition of this amended zoning or a, not multifamily, but zone per unit numbers or not housing types?

[3:30:45] Voice 9: Like there's a lot of options in there that potentially you could explore and perhaps we could ask you to work through that with a planner and see if there's a type of housing or policy on the type of housing.

[3:31:01] Voice 9: can it be applied to that site specific zone but we separate the residential element from the

[3:31:09] Voice 9: commercial so that i'd like to have more conversation about the zoning i think we can

[3:31:17] Voice 9: be more creative there's a ton of policy options in that table and i think if you're going to get

[3:31:22] Voice 9: a lot more commercial development area there should be some kind of housing worked into that

[3:31:30] Voice 9: but it doesn't have to be two units and

[3:31:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): then you get them back to the water question yeah for sure

[3:31:37] Voice 9: yeah you're

[3:31:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): still coming back to the water yeah but

[3:31:41] Voice 9: you know two residential units that are

[3:31:43] Voice 9: currently allowed um they could use way more water than six apartments or whatever you want

[3:31:51] Voice 9: to call them condos whatever um i know that because i lived in a place where we were very

[3:31:57] Voice 9: careful with water because there are 24 of us to look after the water

[3:32:01] Voice 10: so

[3:32:03] Voice 9: um yeah we have six

[3:32:05] Voice 9: cisterns so i i don't want to you know i don't want to delay this getting going on this i just

[3:32:14] Voice 9: want to have some creative ideas out there to not be stuck in the same old oh yeah it's commercial

[3:32:20] Voice 9: so we should just let this happen and only this and you know we've had conversations at village

[3:32:25] Voice 9: visioning events for 20 years now on gabriola where people are begging us to find a different

[3:32:32] Voice 9: way to measure housing footprints and measure human footprints and mix commercial and residential and

[3:32:39] Voice 9: those those things don't fail they always work you

[3:32:44] Voice 12: know

[3:32:45] Voice 9: so we're going into an ocp review so

[3:32:49] Voice 9: this is this is kind of a parallel process i do see it complementary to our ocp review

[3:32:56] Voice 9: view where we can actually undertake some community input. I don't think it's ready to go

[3:33:01] Voice 9: for referral. I'll say that. I think this should be considered and highlighted. How do we develop

[3:33:10] Voice 9: this as a mixed use, commercial primarily, but how could housing be worked into the plan

[3:33:17] Voice 9: plan taking using the tool three and all the policy options there and we've foregrounded

[3:33:28] Voice 9: housing as a as a priority for ocq review so we could actually could we work this through

[3:33:34] Voice 9: that project as well

[3:33:40] Voice 9: he's always trying to make things work together play together now

[3:33:47] Voice 9: If I may, through the chair, a thought I wanted to share is it would maybe benefit from some

[3:33:56] Voice 9: direction for both staff and I think the applicant here if, for example, you'd like the applicant

[3:34:05] Voice 7: and staff to look at the housing toolkit, yeah, and then propose some

[3:34:12] Voice 7: community needs with the applicant and the housing toolkit.

[3:34:18] Voice 7: That way it may not need to be inserted.

[3:34:22] Voice 7: The application doesn't need to be inserted into the efficient green project.

[3:34:27] Voice 7: No, it's still looking at achieving some of the options that are important for the trust.

[3:34:33] Voice 11: um

[3:34:34] Voice 7: another consideration is the permitted uses allow a variety of uses within that zone

[3:34:41] Voice 10: so

[3:34:43] Voice 7: where you'll see it actually being built is at the next stage so this allows a variety of uses

[3:34:49] Voice 7: what may actually come through is for example up to six units may only be four until

[3:34:58] Voice 7: to water. That's what I was thinking. Subject to servicing of water. So

[3:35:04] Voice 7: just throwing the

[3:35:07] Voice 7: consideration out there that the permitted uses can be a variety of things. Ideally,

[3:35:12] Voice 7: you want to get close to the mark that makes sense. So putting that

[3:35:21] Voice 9: out there in some direction

[3:35:23] Voice 9: direction to to suffer from the past to what to explore would be helpful I have

[3:35:29] Voice 9: one question and

[3:35:30] Voice 9: then I actually would like to make that motion I think that would would not slow things down I

[3:35:35] Voice 9: think would be helpful and my one question is there are a number of recommendations here that

[3:35:41] Voice 9: we could get through today because like number four and five for example um would it be helpful

[3:35:48] Voice 9: to move those today and then or or do they really need to all go in the same package i think they

[3:35:57] Voice 14: all need to go in the same

[3:35:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): package because some elements of those four or five for instance could

[3:36:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): change with respect to what yeah yeah

[3:36:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): so and those are not big deals yeah

[3:36:09] Voice 9: so i'm in agreement with

[3:36:10] Voice 9: you and and i would suggest if you want to make the motion that we direct the applicant to explore

[3:36:16] Voice 9: with the planner the tools provided in housing options housing option tool three um and really

[3:36:24] Voice 9: refine the housing idea a bit more i don't think it's it's not about dwelling unit numbers maybe

[3:36:33] Voice 9: it's types and forms but i think there's some options in there that you might be able to land

[3:36:38] Voice 9: on and that could provide more clarity to your plan so that would be the first suggestion if

[3:36:43] Voice 9: If you want to do that idea, I'd support it.

[3:36:45] Voice 9: And the second is to refer it as is to Senior Freshwater Specialist William Schultz for comment.

[3:36:54] Voice 9: And if there's any gaps or further analysis that's needed, because he'll be working with us on the freshwater water balance plan.

[3:37:08] Voice 9: And this could be sort of the top of the list.

[3:37:12] Voice 9: So the Freshwater Specialist works for the Islands Trust and we have a project to calculate

[3:37:19] Voice 9: water balance and water usage on the island so that we can do our OCP review.

[3:37:25] Voice 9: So it's complimentary and this could be almost a test case where he gets to look at some

[3:37:32] Voice 9: real data and a scenario that you want to develop.

[3:37:38] Voice 9: What do we need to consider?

[3:37:40] Voice 9: consider, he may be able to provide those, that lens. I think that would be really helpful.

[3:37:46] Voice 9: And then we can move forward with, let's make, I would suggest two separate options. So I

[3:37:52] Voice 9: wrote that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee requests the applicant to work with

[3:37:58] Voice 9: the planner to review options in the housing options toolkit. Tool three. Tool number three.

[3:38:08] Voice 9: for possible dwelling units

[3:38:15] Voice 7: for this proposal okay

[3:38:22] Voice 16: so moved did you get that lisa yes

[3:38:28] Voice 23: i got that

[3:38:30] Voice 16: seconded yeah

[3:38:31] Voice 9: um well possible dwelling units i'm not sure if that really well just for for

[3:38:39] Voice 9: dwelling unit possibilities i just wanted to remain as open as possible just to look at

[3:38:45] Voice 9: options not constraining you to anything just to look at those options let's just explore options

[3:38:51] Voice 9: in the in the tool three of the zoning and pharmacy yeah options because it is all about

[3:38:58] Voice 9: having an option right that's all it is okay so i move that gabriel i'm a local test committee

[3:39:04] Voice 9: request applicant to work with planning staff and explore and explore options in the housing option

[3:39:15] Voice 9: Okay. Before

[3:39:22] Voice 7: I second it, I see Steven then.

[3:39:25] Voice 18: I'm not. Yeah, I'm sure. So we can explore options, the applicant and like staff.

[3:39:34] Voice 18: And you would like to, I guess I'm unsure what next then. You'd like to see a revised bylaw, a proposed bylaw with what?

[3:39:44] Voice 18: More

[3:39:45] Voice 9: clarity on the housing type and form that is desired by the applicant.

[3:39:51] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:39:54] Voice 10: Yeah, maybe we'd better hear from you.

[3:39:58] Voice 10: As

[3:39:58] Voice 20: I mentioned earlier, I had no housing in my hand when I started this.

[3:40:03] Voice 20: Currently, there's a restrictive covenant on the property that allows no residents.

[3:40:09] Voice 20: And I'm more than happy to keep that.

[3:40:12] Voice 20: that. And I really don't necessarily want to be a landlord. Okay. I said, okay, that

[3:40:23] Voice 20: sounds like a good idea. When it was recommended to me, that was the proposal that would get

[3:40:28] Voice 20: more public support. Yeah, to

[3:40:34] Voice 20: have a couple of units. So we're going to be going from

[3:40:38] Voice 20: zero to two. That's pretty good. And what's in my head isn't a bunch of big

[3:40:47] Voice 20: building apartments on top. I'm thinking funky little shops and little things. So

[3:40:54] Voice 20: I'm not sure if this site is the right test subject for what we're talking

[3:41:03] Voice 20: I

[3:41:04] Voice 9: think it is, but I'm only talking about possibility.

[3:41:08] Voice 9: I don't mean

[3:41:09] Voice 9: making you start

[3:41:11] Voice 7: the ball rolling.

[3:41:12] Voice 7: You

[3:41:12] Voice 9: are in the right area as far as village visioning discussion over the last 20 years.

[3:41:21] Voice 9: We've been talking about that. So just explore the options.

[3:41:25] Voice 9: And the zoning goes with the site, not with you.

[3:41:29] Voice 9: yeah so if something happens to you halfway through this process it's sold or after you know

[3:41:36] Voice 9: we're talking about zoning and use for the site and your your preferences might be i don't want

[3:41:42] Voice 9: housing right now but we're talking 20 years into the future what is appropriate for this community

[3:41:48] Voice 9: and it is to mix commercial development and to add on to infrastructure that exists so that we

[3:41:56] Voice 9: can have housing where it's appropriate and it is in our ocp that the village core that housing

[3:42:02] Voice 9: should be clustered here so i i recognize that you you don't want to be a landlord but we're

[3:42:07] Voice 9: talking about zoning for the site yeah so

[3:42:09] Voice 9: i think exploring some flexibility is um that's what the

[3:42:14] Voice 9: local trust committee is asking you to do um because it is a priority for this community so

[3:42:20] Voice 9: I do support the motion to explore options in the toolkit and there might be something that you can

[3:42:29] Voice 9: envision who knows certainly something less expensive than building two dwelling units

[3:42:36] Voice 9: yeah

[3:42:36] Voice 20: no that's not even in my head like I'm thinking a couple little apartments above

[3:42:42] Voice 20: a garden center above whatever it is

[3:42:45] Voice 9: better than that yeah well and and I'll just as an example

[3:42:49] Voice 9: If you

[3:42:49] Voice 20: want to say no houses on the property, I'm okay with that.

[3:42:53] Voice 9: But as an example, there is to permit the conversion of commercial accommodation to residential use.

[3:42:59] Voice 9: So what if in five years, one of your commercial use buildings, you're like, that's no longer viable.

[3:43:05] Voice 9: Nobody's buying this. Gee, I wish I could convert it to a house.

[3:43:08] Voice 9: But that's not in the zoning. There's not a policy option.

[3:43:11] Voice 9: You don't have that flexibility.

[3:43:14] Voice 9: So all I'm suggesting is you look at the table, think 20 years into the future,

[3:43:18] Voice 9: term and go what types might be a benefit to the community right it's not about right here and now

[3:43:27] Voice 9: you're playing but you we want to build flexibility into the zoning as much as possible i know you can

[3:43:34] Voice 9: do it okay so with that motion you seconded yeah did we even open um

[3:43:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): what's it seconded

[3:43:41] Voice 9: i now second the motion okay

[3:43:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): so and you got the motion lisa i

[3:43:52] Voice 23: think yes i have the motion

[3:43:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay um any further discussion all those in favor not opposed that carries yeah

[3:44:01] Voice 9: yeah do we want to

[3:44:02] Voice 9: make a motion to forward this to going to show that so yes i'll you know do that one yeah so

[3:44:07] Voice 9: i move that the real local trust committee requests uh staff forward the report what's

[3:44:18] Voice 10: staff

[3:44:20] Voice 9: report gbrz 2022.1 luv and ocp amendment to freshwater specialist william shova

[3:44:30] Voice 9: and request comment and gap analysis review and request comment as a gaps analysis

[3:44:47] Voice 18: Is it specific to the water?

[3:44:50] Voice 9: Yes, with respect to the water use and potential, you know, any other considerations we need to think about.

[3:45:05] Voice 9: I mean, a gap analysis is what's missing with respect to the water use.

[3:45:12] Voice 22: I can't make it simpler if it doesn't work.

[3:45:20] Voice 9: I think that's okay. I'll second that.

[3:45:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, well, you'll end up getting whatever Will and Truba thinks a gaps analysis is, and so

[3:45:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): that may or may not line up with your thoughts, but

[3:45:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): because we have a bunch of proposed uses, right, which was clearly defined,

[3:45:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah, what, you know, what else comes of the conversations external to this about other

[3:45:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): potential uses may change. Yep. Is

[3:45:53] Voice 9: it too soon?

[3:45:53] Voice 9: and we

[3:45:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't want to be unfair administratively by having to redo things should

[3:46:00] Voice 9: we wait until we get

[3:46:01] Voice 9: a more concrete well

[3:46:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): it does seem to me like proceeding on that would be helpful because it

[3:46:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): may be the applicant comes back says no this is what i want to do and then we just go to his

[3:46:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): application so

[3:46:16] Voice 9: are you you're suggesting here that we hold on no

[3:46:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): no do

[3:46:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): the water yeah it's just

[3:46:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): at defining it

[3:46:24] Voice 9: sorry so take out the green gaps let's just do an analysis on the water um

[3:46:30] Voice 9: proposed water uses i don't keeps it simple

[3:46:37] Voice 9: does that

[3:46:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): sound right yeah

[3:46:41] Voice 23: it does yeah

[3:46:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah so lisa you got that about the motion

[3:46:47] Voice 23: yes i do okay

[3:46:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we're clear and seconded yeah any discussion all those in favor okay

[3:46:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we came full circle.

[3:46:58] Voice 9: Is

[3:46:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): there anything further on this application?

[3:47:01] Voice 9: Apologies that it takes

[3:47:02] Voice 9: too much time.

[3:47:05] Voice 14: So then

[3:47:06] Voice 14: that concludes that item. I'm going to return

[3:47:08] Voice 14: to section six of our agenda,

[3:47:11] Voice 14: which is the minutes

[3:47:12] Voice 14: on page four.

[3:47:14] Voice 14: The minutes dated April 18th.

[3:47:17] Voice 14: Are there any changes?

[3:47:20] Voice 10: I

[3:47:25] Voice 9: got a question.

[3:47:27] Voice 9: I do have a question.

[3:47:29] Voice 9: It's on page 13 of the Draft Minutes, under a motion that we, that I requested.

[3:47:40] Voice 9: On page 13, you said?

[3:47:42] Voice 9: Of the Draft Minutes, yeah, on page 16 of our agenda.

[3:47:47] Voice 9: Oh, 16, sorry.

[3:47:50] Voice 9: And it's just a question. We were asked on staff to inform the Local Trust Committee regarding options for opting into the speculation and vacancy tax regulation

[3:48:00] Voice 9: for the Gabriela local trust area. And I can't remember whether that had to go, whether staff

[3:48:10] Voice 9: just was going to do that or whether it had to go somewhere else.

[3:48:14] Voice 18: I will provide you a memo with reporting back on this motion.

[3:48:21] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:48:22] Voice 18: On the

[3:48:23] Voice 14: follow-up action list?

[3:48:24] Voice 18: Yes.

[3:48:24] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:48:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Great. Thank you, Stephen.

[3:48:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then with respect to the actual minutes, are they okay?

[3:48:35] Voice 9: I'm just so grateful for Lisa Millard for taking, well actually it was someone else last time, wasn't it, who took our minutes I think.

[3:48:43] Voice 9: But anyway, the minute taker not being present in this room is a miracle worker.

[3:48:49] Voice 9: So

[3:48:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to then by general consent adopt the minutes as presented.

[3:48:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so then that now takes us to the follow-up action list on page 19 to 25.

[3:49:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll just ask the trustees, do you have any questions about any of the items on the follow-up action list?

[3:49:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): One of your answers, yeah.

[3:49:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Two answers.

[3:49:09] Voice 9: Well, this has been on since October, and I think it goes back way further than that.

[3:49:15] Voice 9: and it's it's stopped to procure a request to EC on behalf of this LTC to approve funds for the

[3:49:23] Voice 9: screening of dust and bones and the funds have been confirmed and then I guess director Freider

[3:49:31] Voice 9: is a little more information about the event you know

[3:49:34] Voice 9: I can clarify that so it was I did seek

[3:49:39] Voice 9: interest here, we said yes, let's pursue this, and then I approached Elder Geraldine, the

[3:49:48] Voice 9: question and the concern is whether having a couch in the tribe's knowledge holder come

[3:49:55] Voice 9: and present on cultural heritage, since the name of territory would be appropriate, and

[3:50:01] Voice 9: And so it was felt that Elder Geraldine,

[3:50:05] Voice 9: who this is her, a lot of her work is cultural heritage reclamation

[3:50:13] Voice 9: and care, that she would lead a panel.

[3:50:19] Voice 9: And so we're still working out potentially with the museum

[3:50:25] Voice 9: how that might be held.

[3:50:27] Voice 9: So whether the museum might host it, Elder Geraldine lead it,

[3:50:30] Voice 9: and whether dust and bones would be screened but it's about the protocol of having someone from

[3:50:35] Voice 9: another nation coming to present on cultural heritage so that's still sort of a it's in

[3:50:41] Voice 9: progress i just wondered who was sort of in charge of keeping it in that's kind of sort of me i'm not

[3:50:47] Voice 9: right in charge of that right now but that's sort of sitting on my to-do list yeah okay i just

[3:50:53] Voice 9: wasn't sure if we should remove it

[3:50:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): so perhaps we should add trustee elliott's name to the

[3:51:08] Voice 9: I just did. Get it done, Toby. I'll make it a note.

[3:51:12] Voice 14: Anything else on the follow-up?

[3:51:17] Voice 9: The

[3:51:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): local trust committee budget accounts is a briefing there.

[3:51:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's for our information.

[3:51:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Did we get anything on that one?

[3:51:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): What do you see more complicated?

[3:51:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): through the

[3:51:29] Voice 9: chair that is 7.2 on the agenda page 26. i'm

[3:51:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): happy to communication is the one that was

[3:51:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): i was thinking about that go ahead sorry that's

[3:51:39] Voice 7: all right i'm happy to give an overview this um

[3:51:43] Voice 9: report is about ltc budget accounts for information there was a resolution um to request

[3:51:51] Voice 9: staff provide some information on the communication budget um so i i would like to use this opportunity

[3:51:58] Voice 9: to clarify how we use the budget, how the LTC can use the budget to expense funds for things like

[3:52:07] Voice 9: posting trustee hours in the newspaper and how to request more budget if that's needed. So

[3:52:14] Voice 9: for information advertising expenses such as posting trustee hours in the newspaper

[3:52:19] Voice 9: can indeed be allocated from the LTC's account and the LTC can choose how funds are spent

[3:52:26] Voice 9: for a variety in a variety of ways could be hours in the newspaper or editorial columns

[3:52:31] Voice 9: posting trustee contact information directories or newspapers so i just wanted to capture that

[3:52:37] Voice 9: direction um with the previous resolution from march 21st to authorize a release of 210 dollars

[3:52:46] Voice 9: from the communications budget staff can do that now and the information in the following

[3:52:52] Voice 9: page of the report is more of information for trustees. It's citing where the

[3:52:58] Voice 9: policy identifies in section 7 of the local trust committee expenses and what

[3:53:07] Voice 9: I wanted to highlight for the LTC for information is that specifically for the

[3:53:12] Voice 9: communications budget that's your budget to use how you would like. So there may

[3:53:18] Voice 9: be some thought as part of the spending on what you would like to use it for if you want to

[3:53:23] Voice 9: consider that annually or throughout the year that would be beneficial to give staff direction

[3:53:30] Voice 9: if you wanted to to identify what the types of expenses you'd like to spend on it and if you

[3:53:37] Voice 9: would ideally if you think there's anything more budget to make that request with staff earlier so

[3:53:43] Voice 9: So we

[3:53:43] Voice 7: can seek that from the executive committee, the budget adjustment.

[3:53:50] Voice 22: Okay.

[3:53:51] Voice 9: So under on page 27, 28 of the agenda under the communication expenses,

[3:53:59] Voice 9: what I've included, there were a few considerations for the LTC,

[3:54:05] Voice 9: nothing necessarily to take action on now, just to contemplate,

[3:54:09] Voice 9: should the LTC want any cost expense from this account?

[3:54:14] Voice 9: more automatic or ongoing that would be great to give some direction on for staff so we can

[3:54:19] Voice 9: make that happen for you um and just thinking about the budget also recognizing if the budget

[3:54:28] Voice 9: is out

[3:54:30] Voice 7: fully allocated and you ask for something additional we may not be able to expense from it

[3:54:36] Voice 7: we may have to seek that from

[3:54:38] Voice 7: the executive committee when we have our budget

[3:54:39] Voice 7: but that's length

[3:54:42] Voice 10: so

[3:54:46] Voice 9: I'd just like to bring back

[3:54:47] Voice 9: something that we had talked about

[3:54:50] Voice 9: last year in

[3:54:51] Voice 9: October about elected

[3:54:53] Voice 9: official coffee chats

[3:54:55] Voice 9: with director Craig

[3:54:57] Voice 9: and I spoke to her recently

[3:54:59] Voice 9: at the Gabriel

[3:55:02] Voice 9: neighborhoods event and she said

[3:55:03] Voice 9: oh I wanted to get back to you

[3:55:06] Voice 9: she is

[3:55:06] Voice 9: is really I was encouraged she wants to have sort of a drop-in session that could be on a theme

[3:55:15] Voice 9: and I think in our OCP review project I think it's a really good opportunity to host a drop-in

[3:55:24] Voice 9: session with all three of us present whether it's a surf lodge maybe restaurant or you can

[3:55:30] Voice 9: can advertise those in the sounder so i know we dropped that it was sort of left um but this ltc

[3:55:36] Voice 9: did indicate that that would be a good um thing talk about governance talk about what's what's

[3:55:43] Voice 9: island's trust what's the rdn what's moti and then those intersectional things that oh maybe we can

[3:55:49] Voice 9: address this collaboratively so um she did indicate she's got budget for community engagement

[3:55:55] Voice 9: and be able to contribute um and she has the ability to have staff attend meetings if we

[3:56:02] Voice 9: wanted a theme so we could prep it with we want to talk about roads and transportation

[3:56:09] Voice 9: and if it was a month in advance she could have staff there or we could do that so i would like

[3:56:16] Voice 9: to direct communications budget towards that i don't think it would cost a lot it's mostly

[3:56:24] Voice 9: the advertising in the paper i mean we just maybe a little honey pot for some muffins if we were

[3:56:32] Voice 9: um i think our video has suggested oh you do good through the chair so that's a great example of

[3:56:40] Voice 9: what could come out of this communications budget and in that example identifying

[3:56:45] Voice 7: the kinds of

[3:56:47] Voice 7: pieces you'd like to direct staff to look into maybe come back push across estimate

[3:56:53] Voice 7: it confirm that we have room in the budget or we need to ask for

[3:56:57] Voice 9: an adjustment we don't have a

[3:56:59] Voice 9: potential date for that do we no this was dropped in october last year we started talking about it

[3:57:05] Voice 9: and then um there was a resolution informal community discussions and we did decide to

[3:57:13] Voice 9: allocate funding of up to three hundred dollars per meeting to cover refreshments and advertising

[3:57:17] Voice 9: advertising but we never um and it might need to cover the cost of a venue but we don't know

[3:57:23] Voice 9: probably not but my thought my thought was to tag it on to events that are already happening like

[3:57:29] Voice 9: after sustainable behavioral and meaning or at them we can't do politicians if the market doesn't

[3:57:36] Voice 9: work but um perhaps the chamber of commerce could be an interesting collaborative um sorry

[3:57:44] Voice 9: of recognizing aaron here who's executive director of uh chamber of commerce so i actually have a

[3:57:52] Voice 9: comment i don't know if that's useful or at this point it could be helpful to be recognized by the

[3:57:59] Voice 9: chair i

[3:58:00] Voice 14: don't know this is my public comment period

[3:58:02] Voice 9: that's

[3:58:05] Voice 14: messing me around

[3:58:05] Voice 4: what would you

[3:58:06] Voice 14: like to share with us um

[3:58:08] Voice 4: i just we've had two recent events one was a kind of jobs and skill

[3:58:16] Voice 4: development event at the school and we recently had a trades event um that was looking at what

[3:58:22] Voice 4: kinds of um things that the trades needs um on gabriela and at both of those events they had

[3:58:29] Voice 4: people come up to me and say i wish that i was dressed this year and they were invited to both

[3:58:33] Voice 4: for those sessions and i don't know if it's staff or not communicating that to you guys but

[3:58:39] Voice 4: they yeah it was interesting i mean that they wanted you guys there cool yeah so i think there

[3:58:46] Voice 4: is room for that thank

[3:58:47] Voice 9: you for that erin i actually got those invitations but i was

[3:58:51] Voice 9: i can't remember if i responded but i was away for both of them i actually thought i had to be

[3:58:56] Voice 9: a trades like representative or an art and there was a limited number of seats so i didn't subscribe

[3:59:03] Voice 9: because I'm not an artist or a person in trades, but.

[3:59:06] Voice 16: It's such an untouchable association.

[3:59:09] Voice 9: Politician, is that a trade?

[3:59:11] Voice 16: All those future politicians.

[3:59:13] Voice 9: Okay, exactly.

[3:59:14] Voice 9: But just that there is room for like engagement

[3:59:17] Voice 9: and discussion and dialogue that we don't remember paid for.

[3:59:20] Voice 9: Yeah, that you guys don't need.

[3:59:22] Voice 9: Great.

[3:59:22] Voice 9: Can we get a quick plan?

[3:59:24] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:59:25] Voice 9: Perfect.

[3:59:25] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:59:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, do you want to continue on this report?

[3:59:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): I've got a big question coming up.

[3:59:32] Voice 9: through the chair only to add for your current fiscal year's budget for this communications you

[3:59:38] Voice 9: have $1,000 and if you pull $210 from that

[3:59:42] Voice 7: from the previous resolution you would have less

[3:59:45] Voice 7: so we can we can if you anticipate um with the resolution for some direction

[3:59:51] Voice 7: also request more budget that's what

[3:59:55] Voice 9: we'd like to do about our proposed

[4:00:00] Voice 9: I think

[4:00:00] Voice 9: $1,000 is fine because that can carry advertising for these meetings,

[4:00:07] Voice 9: but also the review budget can carry some public engagement.

[4:00:12] Voice 9: And Director Craig said she also can do some budget.

[4:00:16] Voice 9: So I don't see a need to amend it.

[4:00:18] Voice 9: I think we're just going to have to start setting some dates and using it.

[4:00:23] Voice 9: I don't think I need to advertise in the sounder anymore that my trustee hours.

[4:00:28] Voice 9: hours. People have gotten used to them. Well, I've been kicked out. The office is for staff.

[4:00:36] Voice 9: I get it now. I'm at the library if the members of the public want to find me or now to serve

[4:00:42] Voice 9: potentially. But yeah, I think the budget as is is great. And I don't know, what do

[4:00:51] Voice 9: you think?

[4:00:52] Voice 9: I think it's fine too. Yeah. And one thing I did note in that procurement policy is that

[4:00:57] Voice 9: they try to get local as much as possible which i very much appreciate okay so i'll follow that up

[4:01:03] Voice 9: with director craig because through the chair this report is for information so if there are any um

[4:01:14] Voice 9: motions for staff direction you could make them

[4:01:17] Voice 7: that that appropriate place

[4:01:24] Voice 7: so i'm not i'm not suggesting i'm just leaving an opportunity because i did have a

[4:01:29] Voice 7: follow-up in case that was something so my

[4:01:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): question is um it's it's good that we were

[4:01:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): underspent in some areas how come we're overspent five thousand dollars in ltc

[4:01:47] Voice 7: LCC and APC meetings are, the

[4:01:52] Voice 9: wording I use is required expenses. So when a meeting happens,

[4:01:56] Voice 9: we have to expense to

[4:01:58] Voice 7: book a room. That's a requirement as part of that cost. I don't

[4:02:06] Voice 7: really have too much info over that.

[4:02:09] Voice 7: But obviously you need to budget.

[4:02:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[4:02:12] Voice 7: That's

[4:02:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): the bottom line.

[4:02:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that would be something that will go into

[4:02:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): another year of OCP.

[4:02:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): I asked

[4:02:17] Voice 9: this question of Director of Ministry of Services back in a year ago, and it was due to the meeting facilitator position that was taken out of operational budget.

[4:02:30] Voice 9: And so they calculated all the, this isn't done by RLTC, Finance Department calculates the meeting expenses for each LTC, and they did an average.

[4:02:40] Voice 9: bridge but it didn't calculate so

[4:02:43] Voice 16: we're going to see this

[4:02:45] Voice 9: different totally different budget

[4:02:47] Voice 9: because now we've got our meeting facilitator and that comes out of operation but we had to

[4:02:53] Voice 9: staff it with contract minute takers and that's why the budgets for all the ltcs are out of whack

[4:02:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so you see i'm out of touch with all ltc budgets so i'm going to start seeing this in

[4:03:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): the year-end budgets of all they're

[4:03:05] Voice 9: all i

[4:03:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): just need an answer for that because somebody

[4:03:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[4:03:10] Voice 9: that's good

[4:03:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so that it then for the expenses thing great yes so uh next item then

[4:03:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): is choosing a location for the next august 8th meeting i also know in the wind is a question

[4:03:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): about um when are we meeting out in life is that the august 8th meeting or what

[4:03:31] Voice 18: are we what do you

[4:03:33] Voice 18: HAB

[4:03:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): -Jacques Juilland-

[4:03:33] Voice 18: got in my attention.

[4:03:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): HAB-Jacques Juilland-

[4:03:34] Voice 18: So this this agenda items that is because when the LTC said it's meeting scheduled for the year, I think they were contemplating. I mean, imagine all I guess.

[4:03:44] Voice 18: HAB-Jacques Juilland- And so there's no location set. So that's, that's just a cue LTC to select a location for that August 8 meeting. There is

[4:03:53] Voice 18: is a qualified action list item regarding a special meeting on Mudge Island and staff have

[4:04:01] Voice 18: been working to set a date for that and try to reach out to the venue. At this point it looks

[4:04:10] Voice 18: unlikely that staff will be able to attend in person because my understanding is that the water

[4:04:14] Voice 18: taxi does not have the appropriate insurance for it. Trustees could attend and staff could attend

[4:04:21] Voice 18: remotely uh however that means that the venue needs to have internet so that staff can and

[4:04:28] Voice 8: a

[4:04:28] Voice 18: minute taker can be there so um we have not received response yet from that venue so

[4:04:33] Voice 18: really that's where that is sitting at right now okay

[4:04:36] Voice 9: at least we kind of see how it works

[4:04:38] Voice 9: i'd be happy to negotiate this because they're asking me when are you going to have the special

[4:04:46] Voice 9: meeting here so i don't know if maybe staff's not talking to the right person i did connect

[4:04:52] Voice 9: Michelle, with a board member of MIX, which is the only venue that has Wi-Fi and we could

[4:04:58] Voice 9: actually be at.

[4:04:59] Voice 9: So I'm not sure what the holdup is, but I'm happy to help

[4:05:02] Voice 10: with

[4:05:03] Voice 9: facilitating that.

[4:05:05] Voice 9: And I think they do want it in early summer.

[4:05:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): So do we need to do anything about the August 8th meeting, or is it likely this is what

[4:05:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): this would be?

[4:05:13] Voice 18: You do need to do something about the August 8th meeting, if you'd like, because this

[4:05:17] Voice 18: meeting is a special meeting in addition to your regular meetings.

[4:05:20] Voice 18: It's not urgent. If you could, you have a June meeting, you could make a decision.

[4:05:25] Voice 18: And I believe that we have this venue is available August 8th.

[4:05:32] Voice 18: So

[4:05:32] Voice 9: we can just meet here. Can we make it electronic? It's August.

[4:05:38] Voice 9: There's not going to be a lot on the agenda.

[4:05:40] Voice 9: That's the other option.

[4:05:42] Voice 9: Just to make the meeting.

[4:05:43] Voice 9: I'm happy about that.

[4:05:44] Voice 9: Yeah. So I move that the August 8th meeting, August 8th, 2024, Gabriel Local Trust Committee

[4:05:54] Voice 9: regular business meeting, be electronic.

[4:05:59] Voice 16: Moved. Seconded. Reluctantly. Ah,

[4:06:03] Voice 9: one out of the year.

[4:06:04] Voice 9: Come on. I think about the public. That's not my fault.

[4:06:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, it's a 14-hour day for me, so.

[4:06:14] Voice 9: But you know what you signed up for.

[4:06:17] Voice 9: You know what you signed up for.

[4:06:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I do. I'm not complaining.

[4:06:21] Voice 9: I'm just saying I

[4:06:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): wouldn't be unhappy.

[4:06:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): I know.

[4:06:24] Voice 9: But we do get the public come to us.

[4:06:26] Voice 9: Not in August.

[4:06:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so moved and seconded. All those in favor?

[4:06:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Reluctantly, Susan's hat goes up.

[4:06:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much for that.

[4:06:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's August 8th.

[4:06:37] Voice 14: Then I'm going to skip now all the way through noting that we did

[4:06:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): have a little conversation

[4:06:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): about correspondence that came in, and most often it's appended to project files on the

[4:06:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): website.

[4:06:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): There may be a couple of pieces of correspondence that have come in that need to be on the website

[4:06:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): somewhere, and I'm not sure what we're doing about trusting comments that were circulated

[4:07:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): that should also probably be public is some kind of correspondence or something but do you want

[4:07:07] Voice 9: those to be appended to the minutes uh

[4:07:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): how does the public know what you were referring to it's

[4:07:17] Voice 9: in the motion but

[4:07:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): not the entirety of it no yeah i

[4:07:23] Voice 9: mean yeah if i won't forward them to them

[4:07:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): what do

[4:07:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): you think if you want

[4:07:29] Voice 6: them i won't be down well i just think that the public

[4:07:31] Voice 6: might want to know

[4:07:32] Voice 6: Absolutely.

[4:07:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Moving along to invite to a full meeting with the NAMO First Nation regarding

[4:07:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): official committee plan project verbal update from Trump D. Elliott, 11.1.

[4:07:46] Voice 9: So it's again to explore, well, just to keep the conversation going, I guess. In our last

[4:07:56] Voice 9: leadership meeting was the name of did manage to bring forward which I captured

[4:08:04] Voice 9: in some notes which are not public but the fact that we are in entering our OCP

[4:08:10] Voice 9: review and they'll be giving us feedback on how they want to be engaged in that

[4:08:18] Voice 9: that um so my thought was to start planning for a government to government either a celebration

[4:08:28] Voice 9: or relationship building event sometime in the fall um not necessarily tied to the ocp review

[4:08:37] Voice 9: and actually after today's meeting i just had a chat with elder geraldine and she said we need

[4:08:44] Voice 9: to update the protocol agreement and that is definitely on the list but if things were finished

[4:08:50] Voice 9: by if both if we do update the protocol agreement or get to a place where it's it's in a new form

[4:08:59] Voice 9: or we want to celebrate uh working on an agreement together we could have that as a focal point for

[4:09:05] Voice 9: or either a discussion, some food together.

[4:09:15] Voice 9: So this is a very open process.

[4:09:20] Voice 9: But I'm looking for support, basically,

[4:09:23] Voice 9: to potentially apply for a community-to-community grant

[4:09:28] Voice 9: if we want to do something big.

[4:09:30] Voice 9: And that would happen October to December,

[4:09:32] Voice 9: because that's the grant window.

[4:09:34] Voice 9: window we'd have to apply by September for that

[4:09:38] Voice 22: well

[4:09:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly you could apply for the grant it

[4:09:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): doesn't need to be a you know using the language a big thing it needs to be an opportunity where

[4:09:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're bringing communities together that in the long run will develop protocols or

[4:10:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): understandings or something because it might

[4:10:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): be a little early to think about celebrating

[4:10:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): in protocol in September,

[4:10:11] Voice 12: but

[4:10:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly bringing community together to discuss protocol revision

[4:10:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): is a terrific idea.

[4:10:20] Voice 9: Okay, and that came up in the last online meeting that I was in.

[4:10:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, and even in the last meeting that was still is a priority, but the time mark is on without us

[4:10:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): of a protocol agreement that may come in the

[4:10:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): future that's what that funding is for okay

[4:10:46] Voice 10: it's

[4:10:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): not really a solid commitment that has to come out of it it's funding to support the dialogue

[4:10:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we've you know we did a vote for um with uh liaqson and canada nations independently uh

[4:11:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): looking at the territory from the water and the shoreline protection and uh at this point

[4:11:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): because that's still a work in progress but it certainly helps develop understanding about

[4:11:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): mutual interest right right yeah

[4:11:14] Voice 5: so i

[4:11:18] Voice 9: i have further just for information um

[4:11:22] Voice 9: the gabriel arts council has been working to it's very early well

[4:11:31] Voice 9: Well, basically, they're looking to invite Doug White III,

[4:11:35] Voice 9: who's the counsel to the premier on reconciliation.

[4:11:40] Voice 9: He is the name of and has extensive, a lawyer, he's written a lot on treaty.

[4:11:49] Voice 9: And what I wondered is what would be the appetite in partnering on bringing him here for a talk

[4:11:56] Voice 9: on the Sarlaccan Treaty of 1854, because grounding us in the understanding of

[4:12:07] Voice 9: the name of this treaty and our responsibilities could be, it just would

[4:12:15] Voice 9: go so far to clarify what our emerging roles and responsibilities are as a

[4:12:21] Voice 9: government, as a community. So that's a big piece that the Arts Council has it,

[4:12:26] Voice 9: but they are this is very early days i'm just sort of letting you

[4:12:31] Voice 9: know that this could emerge

[4:12:33] Voice 9: and perhaps we could partner and this would there be a you know a talk on governance coming from

[4:12:39] Voice 9: doug white the third which would be amazing he's spoken on gabriel the once before in 2018 and

[4:12:44] Voice 9: everyone still references that like it was transformative it was profoundly it's an anchor

[4:12:51] Voice 9: for our community so having kind of those um references and someone of his authority come

[4:13:00] Voice 9: to speak would be amazing so these are just things that i'm thinking of and we've also been talking

[4:13:04] Voice 9: about communities sharing our vision for living together on gabriola so sharing ideas with renee

[4:13:10] Voice 9: and just wanted to bring you up to date that nothing is we

[4:13:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't need to do anything here

[4:13:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[4:13:15] Voice 9: don't think so, no.

[4:13:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so can I move on to level one too?

[4:13:20] Voice 10: Yeah, yep.

[4:13:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, what about this one?

[4:13:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): What is it?

[4:13:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): I was just trying to pull this out here now.

[4:13:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is a letter to Administrator Fleming.

[4:13:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, right.

[4:13:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, regarding this thing being presented by Doug Rowley.

[4:13:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[4:13:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, yeah.

[4:13:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): I was

[4:13:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): curious, just for some background,

[4:13:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): on. Why is it Doug Rowley is

[4:13:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): carrying this petition forward from

[4:13:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gabriel? He's our MLA. He's not

[4:13:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): the MLA? He is our

[4:13:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): current

[4:13:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): MLA. Oh, so that changed?

[4:13:53] Voice 9: No, he has been for a long time.

[4:13:55] Voice 9: It will

[4:13:55] Voice 9: change in October. We had weird

[4:13:57] Voice 9: electoral area boundaries.

[4:13:58] Voice 9: We were clumped with Lady Smith

[4:14:02] Voice 9: and Sheila

[4:14:03] Voice 9: had North

[4:14:05] Voice 9: Hanoi.

[4:14:07] Voice 9: So we have been in his

[4:14:09] Voice 9: it changed and we have new electoral

[4:14:11] Voice 9: boundaries. I see. Okay.

[4:14:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so I failed to understand that.

[4:14:15] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:14:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it

[4:14:17] Voice 9: was actually he who suggested the potato cake.

[4:14:19] Voice 9: Okay,

[4:14:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): well, then that's good.

[4:14:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that answers that question.

[4:14:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So what do you want to do about this letter?

[4:14:26] Voice 9: You sent it.

[4:14:28] Voice 9: No, I have not.

[4:14:29] Voice 9: I'm seeking, I'm asking the LTC whether you want to sign on to this as a position,

[4:14:36] Voice 9: or I will send it on my own accord.

[4:14:39] Voice 9: Trustee Yates has already sent the letter.

[4:14:42] Voice 9: Well, and I

[4:14:43] Voice 9: grabbed this earlier in our meeting that there might be some point where I don't quite agree on First Nations protocol.

[4:14:52] Voice 9: Anyway, this is, I have, yeah, I can address it. It's very simple.

[4:14:58] Voice 9: There's only one thing that I don't agree with in your letter.

[4:15:02] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:15:02] Voice 9: And that is, which paragraph?

[4:15:07] Voice 9: It will be at the bottom of the page.

[4:15:08] Voice 9: um where you say i encourage the minister that would be minister fleming not to accept this

[4:15:18] Voice 9: position petition until there is demonstration that the name of first nation is fully involved

[4:15:24] Voice 9: and supportive in the development of a petition and the proposed projects as outlined i i do not

[4:15:34] Voice 9: agree that they need they have to be they have to be involved in the development of this petition

[4:15:40] Voice 9: this petition has already developed

[4:15:42] Voice 10: any

[4:15:43] Voice 9: citizen any citizen has the right to petition their

[4:15:47] Voice 9: government on any issue what the government does with that petition subsequently that's a different

[4:15:56] Voice 9: matter altogether and certainly the letter i wrote copies chief mike wise it's super important that

[4:16:02] Voice 9: that all parties be involved.

[4:16:05] Voice 9: And I know for a fact that the two petitioners, Galt

[4:16:09] Voice 9: and the Gabriel Island Memorial Society have no intention

[4:16:13] Voice 9: of evading or ignoring or circumventing

[4:16:22] Voice 9: government to government relations.

[4:16:24] Voice 9: They would never do that.

[4:16:25] Voice 9: Their petition, this petition specifically focuses

[4:16:29] Voice 9: on asking MOTI to relinquish control of that 40-acre property from gravel pit designation

[4:16:38] Voice 9: so that the British, so that the government, the BP government can then work with First

[4:16:47] Voice 9: Nations and communities, everybody, government to government, whatever it takes to find something

[4:16:55] Voice 9: other than a gravel pit for that incredibly beautiful piece of land so that's where I don't

[4:17:04] Voice 9: agree I know for a fact that if this is taken if the government decides if Modi relinquishes

[4:17:11] Voice 9: control of this and it goes back just to crown land then absolutely the our government will

[4:17:17] Voice 9: will be negotiating with First Nations, no question about it, and you know, whether,

[4:17:26] Voice 9: I mean, I wrote the letter because we are so lacking in protected space, so I don't,

[4:17:33] Voice 9: that's not the intent of my letter, it's that we should not be commenting on a matter that is

[4:17:40] Voice 9: is not it is up to the Crown to decide how that is is disposed of and and I'm not going to put

[4:17:50] Voice 9: myself or the LTC in a position of advocating for that essentially you're asking for unceded lands

[4:17:57] Voice 9: to be turned over for this use when the synonym of First Nation has not been involved in the

[4:18:02] Voice 9: development of the proposed plan or project so the fact that they've not given comment does not

[4:18:08] Voice 9: meaning good consent it means that it's probably inappropriate and so i think it's inappropriate

[4:18:15] Voice 9: for the ltc to to advocate for any side of this it's it's first nation is this is land that is

[4:18:26] Voice 9: subject to treaty negotiations that that is full stop it's not about pulling it out of moti's hands

[4:18:32] Voice 9: or changing the gravel pit to another use it's not our negotiation and so i was just saying

[4:18:39] Voice 9: we don't support the petition because you're essentially asking for First Nations land

[4:18:45] Voice 9: for community use and that's not the purpose of petition. Petition is only to wrest it from

[4:18:54] Voice 9: the Moti's hands. That's the only purpose but I think the perception is you're asking for Indigenous

[4:19:02] Voice 9: land for community use. It's a very different lens when you look at it from Aboriginal rights

[4:19:09] Voice 9: It's a treaty lens, and I don't think the petitioners or the community members actually understand what they are asking for.

[4:19:18] Voice 9: So I sought staff advice on this, and anyway, I wrote my own letter.

[4:19:28] Voice 9: I understand, and it caused quite...

[4:19:31] Voice 9: So

[4:19:35] Voice 14: is the statement in that first paragraph of this letter that

[4:19:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): means to transfer or turn over the 40-acre barrack property known as for community use?

[4:19:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that the quote?

[4:19:47] Voice 22: That's what they're asking for,

[4:19:49] Voice 22: yes.

[4:19:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because, of course, if you're changing the zoning of it, that would be different than transferring or turning over the property.

[4:20:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): They

[4:20:01] Voice 9: are asking it to be turned over to community use.

[4:20:04] Voice 9: that are asking for Crown land.

[4:20:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, and we, and I think it still stands today,

[4:20:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): we have stopped requesting Crown land

[4:20:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): for Island Trust Conservancy projects

[4:20:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): because nations seem to be involved

[4:20:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): in that decision-making process.

[4:20:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): And in recent history,

[4:20:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): those lands are often where their surplus

[4:20:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): are potential treaty settlement lands.

[4:20:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): The only piece of crown land that I think that even the lease, I don't even think of the land was transferred, I think the lease on the land, it was leased crown lands, and that lease was turned over at no charge or something to Rockston Island for fire protection purposes.

[4:20:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): There we go, that's my phone.

[4:20:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Somebody wants to know where I am.

[4:20:58] Voice 9: Anyway.

[4:20:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): anyway um i

[4:21:01] Voice 9: didn't read your letter susan as as you endorsed the petition yeah yeah and and that

[4:21:07] Voice 9: was a i think it was a mistake and i don't support that position so i was basically bringing this

[4:21:15] Voice 9: forward to ask the ltc what do you think um this is my position i don't support the petition because

[4:21:22] Voice 9: synonym has not been involved in the development of this project they didn't stop to wait what is

[4:21:28] Voice 9: the urgency like and i again say the irony of asking for a burial site for our people

[4:21:37] Voice 9: when you're essentially asking for indigenous land so that we can bury our dead when we've just heard

[4:21:42] Voice 9: an application then it's inappropriate and for the ltc to advocate for this is not um it's not a good

[4:21:50] Voice 9: i am not advocating as an ldc i totally sent my letter as just a trustee just a private person

[4:21:58] Voice 9: i would not write on behalf of the ldc and i still believe very firmly that anyone has the

[4:22:06] Voice 9: right to develop a petition anywhere any person and what the government then does with that

[4:22:14] Voice 9: petition that of course they're going to be working with first nations i can't imagine

[4:22:21] Voice 9: yes but as a trustee you've aligned yourself with the petitioners and to me i think that puts our

[4:22:30] Voice 9: our relationship was the name of it at a very strange place they look at that and of course

[4:22:36] Voice 9: they know what that means it means that the sign that says it's a gravel pit there's you know like

[4:22:43] Voice 9: that's no it's asking

[4:22:45] Voice 9: for transfer of ownership they're asking for land they're not saying remove

[4:22:50] Voice 9: move the gravel pit designation they were asking to transfer that to the societies to the community

[4:22:59] Voice 9: that takes it out of the first nation's hand that means it's not able to be a treaty i don't see

[4:23:08] Voice 9: that at all well

[4:23:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and i don't know that either of these languages is necessarily there's no such

[4:23:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): the LTC. You guys can debate it as much as you want. I don't know that I would support a letter

[4:23:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): of endorsement from the LTC one way or the

[4:23:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): other. I don't

[4:23:27] Voice 9: think I would.

[4:23:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because I don't want to

[4:23:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): step between the LTC to step between the two of you either, right?

[4:23:32] Voice 9: Yeah, I just. So you're free

[4:23:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): to write.

[4:23:35] Voice 9: I'll send this letter. I'm not in support of the petition. Sorry, I shouldn't say

[4:23:42] Voice 9: the petition i'm not in support of the approach that they took which is to not consider how this

[4:23:49] Voice 9: would impact our relationship building the setting because the perception on that side is how how

[4:23:55] Voice 9: could you petition for indigenous land it's so inappropriate so i will send

[4:24:00] Voice 9: the letter to have

[4:24:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): a celebration in the fall to think about things

[4:24:05] Voice 9: we'll agree to disagree on that and yeah have a

[4:24:09] Voice 9: discussion sure okay

[4:24:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): um is that all right yeah i just don't know that we can necessarily we're

[4:24:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): not necessarily going to find agreement no

[4:24:20] Voice 9: i was just offering for the ltc to endorse it but if

[4:24:23] Voice 9: it's not appropriate it's totally fine okay so

[4:24:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll just receive that for information and move

[4:24:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): on yeah so staff reports here conservancy report for means of review i think

[4:24:37] Voice 9: we've got a meeting

[4:24:39] Voice 9: meeting coming up spring

[4:24:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): edition is there for our information I'm going to go to the applications

[4:24:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): report yeah you guys tell me to stop we're going to stop is there anything on the application

[4:24:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): support you want to talk about page 260 the agenda oh

[4:24:56] Voice 9: yes on page 262 um oh Gabriel RZ 2023.1 BC

[4:25:08] Voice 9: ferries. Now applicant confirms they're working with the name of First Nation in

[4:25:15] Voice 9: April and will update the planner when a response has been received, but as far as

[4:25:21] Voice 9: I understand from being on the ferry advisory committee, they're not doing

[4:25:25] Voice 9: anything until 2028. Yeah, so am I missing something here?

[4:25:30] Voice 18: Well, if you could

[4:25:32] Voice 18: Jeric and yes please relay what I know um I've contacted the applicants since that announcement

[4:25:38] Voice 18: that that funding was not okay I

[4:25:41] Voice 18: didn't they confirmed that they would like to proceed with

[4:25:44] Voice 18: the application to rezone um and and this is the the latest update on that application is that they

[4:25:54] Voice 18: are just a nation and then that they'll reach out so I I believe my understanding at least is that

[4:26:00] Voice 18: they um they do want to proceed with the rezoning so that the land is zoned for the terminal upgrade

[4:26:08] Voice 18: um and and then I guess that the funding part is settled but that's that's where it's sitting okay

[4:26:16] Voice 9: well that good good amount to to start doing it now because it'll be well

[4:26:27] Voice 19: We're

[4:26:31] Voice 14: good. We'll move on to Trustee Local Expense Reports. They're for information.

[4:26:38] Voice 14: Adopted Policies

[4:26:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and Standing Resolutions, also for information. Climate Action Update.

[4:26:48] Voice 9: Where is that? 12

[4:26:50] Voice 14: .7. There was a letter circulated recently, not to the CELTA CEA.

[4:26:57] Voice 14: Well,

[4:26:58] Voice 9: that meeting I reported on at the beginning between the EC and the Honest Trust Conservancy,

[4:27:03] Voice 9: that one meeting we focused specifically on that.

[4:27:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's correct, about looking for direction on that.

[4:27:11] Voice 9: Yeah, how we can work together on that.

[4:27:12] Voice 9: So I'm not going to forget about that.

[4:27:14] Voice 9: I have some more ideas to add to that.

[4:27:17] Voice 14: Okay.

[4:27:17] Voice 14: I'm going to go to the Local Trust Committee webpage.

[4:27:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think that that's in order.

[4:27:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Nothing to change there.

[4:27:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Work program.

[4:27:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've got our active projects and our future projects and not necessarily advocating for

[4:27:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): any change.

[4:27:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): I am.

[4:27:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, good.

[4:27:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[4:27:37] Voice 9: I'm advocating for change.

[4:27:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Maybe that's the conversation I was going to open up.

[4:27:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Go ahead.

[4:27:42] Voice 9: I'm interested in an update in the ecological protection zone.

[4:27:46] Voice 9: It's been a year and a bit.

[4:27:47] Voice 9: I don't understand what's the name because it's not taking us up on capacity funding.

[4:27:52] Voice 9: And I'd like to move that from the active projects report.

[4:27:56] Voice 9: But perhaps this is a consideration for the next meeting, so maybe a notice of motion.

[4:28:03] Voice 9: Secondly, the Future Projects Report, I want to consolidate and reorganize these.

[4:28:10] Voice 9: DeCoursey Island OCP and LUB review, I don't see any reason why it's there, never had a call for that.

[4:28:15] Voice 9: I think the Mudge Island LUB review is far more pertinent and should be at the top of the list

[4:28:25] Voice 9: for future projects. The DAI by-law, we've had lots of back and forth. This can only be done

[4:28:31] Voice 9: after the OCP review and we create new development permit areas. And the Heritage Register, I don't.

[4:28:40] Voice 9: yeah so much island official community plan and land use bylaw review i'd like to add that

[4:28:47] Voice 9: to the top of the list and can we consider the dai as part of our ocp review project

[4:28:54] Voice 9: because i don't think it's a separate minor project i think it comes as a consequence as

[4:28:59] Voice 9: ocp review and the ecological zone i just think it's if it's not happening can we do another

[4:29:07] Voice 9: minor project just move it down the feature projects list if there's feedback from CINAHLG then

[4:29:16] Voice 9: great we can reactivate it again but what is where is it at?

[4:29:22] Voice 18: So I think you're right it's

[4:29:25] Voice 18: been referred to CINAHLG First Nation we've not received any response so if it's up to the LTC

[4:29:33] Voice 18: if they don't want to proceed with the project at this point then they can shelve it for a time

[4:29:39] Voice 18: um and potentially come back to it in the future um the and they could take on a

[4:29:50] Voice 18: different minor project in its place the funding learning a little bit about how that

[4:30:00] Voice 18: for these minor projects and so you would need to once that you decide on the next priority for a

[4:30:06] Voice 18: minor project then you need to ensure that the funding is available in fact for you to take on

[4:30:12] Voice 18: that minor project because there's not a guarantee that there is that funding available for every

[4:30:18] Voice 18: single LTC to have a minor project okay so that that would just be the next step and you could

[4:30:24] Voice 18: identify a different minor project to take on in place of the existing. And it would,

[4:30:32] Voice 18: you know, if you did receive a response, of course then don't rename it with regards to the

[4:30:38] Voice 18: ecological protection zone, and you had an ongoing minor project, it would put you in a position

[4:30:43] Voice 18: where you need to decide which, you know, which you're going to prioritize, because you can only

[4:30:49] Voice 18: have one minor congen.

[4:30:51] Voice 2: Yeah.

[4:30:55] Voice 10: So

[4:30:55] Voice 9: the reason I think much would be

[4:31:00] Voice 9: a, it's not a quick thing, but it

[4:31:02] Voice 9: probably would be a six to eight month

[4:31:04] Voice 9: thing is

[4:31:05] Voice 9: there's three elements

[4:31:08] Voice 9: to their LUV that

[4:31:10] Voice 9: seem to be causing a

[4:31:12] Voice 9: huge amount of file on the

[4:31:13] Voice 9: person's body. So

[4:31:16] Voice 9: not for today's meeting,

[4:31:17] Voice 9: but I'd like to flag this

[4:31:20] Voice 9: as a discussion for

[4:31:21] Voice 9: our next LTC meeting to bring this up to the top of the list following our

[4:31:27] Voice 9: community information meeting with Mudge. We're going to work with Warren

[4:31:33] Voice 9: Dingman on the development of a policy and procedures manual for Mudge and

[4:31:36] Voice 9: that's a part of the regional planning piece that he's undertaking. So there's

[4:31:40] Voice 9: going to be some cleanup in the policy procedures for bylaw enforcement but the

[4:31:47] Voice 9: The LUB review needs to be on the list because it's causing serious issues.

[4:31:54] Voice 9: For instance, driveways are considered a structure and literally every single lot would have to get a DVP to be in compliance.

[4:32:02] Voice 9: So there's some just small things with their LUB that do need to be amended.

[4:32:08] Voice 9: um i don't want to abandon the ecological protection zone but nor do i want to have

[4:32:14] Voice 9: another year of waiting if the nation is not interested in offering feedback

[4:32:22] Voice 9: um it's why isn't it just part of the lcp review well i mean this is this has been going for seven

[4:32:34] Voice 9: years now thank you ecological protection i think it's really important to have that zone

[4:32:41] Voice 9: available on Gabriela for some areas and it I mean it was almost finished at one point so have

[4:32:51] Voice 9: um has the name impersonation given us a reason that they're not responding or do

[4:33:00] Voice 9: like I don't it's a big blank that doesn't it probably well it may not be important to them

[4:33:10] Voice 9: but it's it's our minor project and i feel really responsible for seeing this through it's you know

[4:33:19] Voice 9: um i was the one who lobbied for it six years ago along with former trustee deborah barron

[4:33:25] Voice 9: at that time it's been really important to in order to protect parts of coats marsh like it

[4:33:31] Voice 9: seemed really important then but just finishing it for the sake of finishing if you can't finish

[4:33:37] Voice 9: the project right now all i'm saying is can we shelve it and bring it back when there is a

[4:33:44] Voice 9: response and turn our minds to something that can actually get done comment from planning staff well

[4:33:58] Voice 18: you you can you could request i mean an idea is just to request the staff come back with

[4:34:04] Voice 18: um a report on the status of the ecological protection zone project

[4:34:09] Voice 18: it and um yeah and and then and then you could have that at your next meeting to have a discussion

[4:34:19] Voice 18: about your future projects um and as an lgc decide what you would like to do um if that would

[4:34:27] Voice 18: i could provide a report presenting please the options for receiving or not proceeding

[4:34:35] Voice 18: Does

[4:34:35] Voice 4: that mean that

[4:34:36] Voice 9: you would, in the meantime, contact the First Nation and inquire?

[4:34:43] Voice 9: Maybe they don't want to look at it ever, and that's okay, but we should know that.

[4:34:51] Voice 18: I can. Staff have contacted the Nation multiple times, and so I can do that in turn.

[4:35:02] Voice 9: i just think this rolls in with our ocp review and as our conversations with

[4:35:07] Voice 9: the name of evolve the approach that we're discussing is what areas are you interested

[4:35:13] Voice 9: in giving input in if they're not interested in giving input in ecological protection zone

[4:35:19] Voice 9: we have our answer so i think folding this into our conversations as it evolves about the ocp

[4:35:27] Voice 9: review it's it's part of a an amendment to our ocp um perhaps the referral could be approached

[4:35:35] Voice 9: less formally yes

[4:35:37] Voice 7: do you care for me clarify so this is for a zoning lb amendment for the

[4:35:45] Voice 7: land use by the way so the conversations that happen at the official community plan level

[4:35:50] Voice 7: by all means i think the um the thought and the approach i think will is great would happen

[4:35:57] Voice 12: if

[4:35:57] Voice 7: um if the approach makes sense to move this minor project to the future project list

[4:36:06] Voice 7: the next step after an official the official community plan project

[4:36:11] Voice 7: is to update the lane yeah so at that point in time the local trust can make sure

[4:36:21] Voice 7: look at your project list it would be it would be a suggestion for the

[4:36:24] Voice 7: the local trust committee planner to say hey what else can we have as part of the scope as we begin

[4:36:30] Voice 7: to complete a land file review we're talking a couple

[4:36:35] Voice 9: years down the road here so keeping it

[4:36:38] Voice 9: as a minor project a future project list item so we don't lose it to capture our own trustees

[4:36:45] Voice 9: trustees of thought and then

[4:36:47] Voice 7: the opportunity will still be there if needed and it makes

[4:36:51] Voice 7: that's the quality too when you spell overview yeah and

[4:36:54] Voice 7: work's been done

[4:36:56] Voice 12: so

[4:36:59] Voice 9: to the chair yes

[4:37:00] Voice 9: i mean

[4:37:01] Voice 9: i feel responsible to the not to myself and to a number of people who are wondering what's

[4:37:07] Voice 9: happening with that ecological protection zone so um maybe maybe i would really appreciate a

[4:37:14] Voice 9: formal comment from planner bow at our next meeting as to where what we should do with this

[4:37:21] Voice 9: where it's at and then we can make that decision and that does make sense you know if we're going

[4:37:27] Voice 9: to be updating the land use bylaw anyway it's just that

[4:37:30] Voice 10: seven

[4:37:31] Voice 9: years right

[4:37:36] Voice 9: so could i could i then move that the item number five the mud island official committee

[4:37:41] Voice 9: plan land use bylaw be moved up to number one replace the decoracy before

[4:37:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): you go there i have

[4:37:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): If

[4:37:48] Voice 9: we

[4:37:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't like the bylaws, for whatever reason, quoting Miles Drew, we should change the bylaws, certainly, but in the short term, if we can't, if we don't like the bylaws and the enforcement that's happening with bylaws, you can ask bylaw enforcement for some kind of standing resolution to stop that activity.

[4:38:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): And

[4:38:18] Voice 9: so

[4:38:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's a short-term sort of gap-filling thing that you might want to consider because

[4:38:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): my next comment is we really have to decide what we can do, what we can't do, and what

[4:38:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): we shouldn't be doing.

[4:38:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): And on my shouldn't be doing list is we've just come out of an in-depth conversation

[4:38:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): about inadequate guidelines for development permit areas, and we've got problems with

[4:38:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): the rezoning those are things that we probably should be doing because we're vulnerable and

[4:38:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): quite honestly i don't really want to be in this situation where we're stuck between a rock and a

[4:39:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): hard place trying to make these kinds of decisions that are really important and so how do we fit

[4:39:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): those things onto the work programming projects

[4:39:08] Voice 9: rezoning the the property that we just talked

[4:39:13] Voice 9: I agree. We should actually fix that, and it should be an urgent priority matter, and I don't know why we haven't addressed it before now.

[4:39:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, that's why I'm raising it, because when we send a referral to the approving officer to say, we don't want to approve this, and we

[4:39:30] Voice 21: haven't

[4:39:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): done the work, and rectified the work that you have cited over the last 20 years.

[4:39:37] Voice 9: That's been inappropriate. You're absolutely right.

[4:39:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm just tossing it out.

[4:39:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): So

[4:39:42] Voice 9: my comment is similar on the DAI bylaw.

[4:39:46] Voice 9: When I ran for this job, you know, two and a half years ago, two years ago,

[4:39:52] Voice 9: that was one of the things I talked about is this incredibly updated

[4:39:56] Voice 9: development approval information bylaw.

[4:39:59] Voice 9: And I don't believe it can wait until we finish the OCP.

[4:40:02] Voice 9: I think that we have applications coming to us all the time,

[4:40:06] Voice 9: and we need an updated DAI bylaw.

[4:40:10] Voice 9: It'll need to be updated again, I'm sure, after the OCP review and the land use bylaw

[4:40:15] Voice 9: review.

[4:40:15] Voice 9: But it is so horribly out of date that we can't even ask applicants to do the simplest

[4:40:23] Voice 9: things because it's not in the DEAI bylaw.

[4:40:25] Voice 9: And we've already come across things, oh my god, we should be asking them for this, oh

[4:40:30] Voice 9: but it's not in.

[4:40:31] Voice 9: But we've had this conversation multiple times that we can't do it until you update

[4:40:39] Voice 9: the DPAs. You can. We can have an updated EMAI bylaw right now that we present in use

[4:40:48] Voice 9: for when applications happen.

[4:40:51] Voice 9: It's not that simple.

[4:40:52] Voice 9: So

[4:40:53] Voice 14: do you have any remarks about the DIs?

[4:40:55] Voice 7: Senator Brown and I were recollecting, and this item was passed by the LLC. I think

[4:41:07] Voice 9: I

[4:41:07] Voice 7: think it could have been the end of last year, 2023.

[4:41:11] Voice 7: When staff looked into it, to my recollection was that

[4:41:16] Voice 9: there's a very narrow portion that

[4:41:21] Voice 9: would need to be updated, but perhaps it was timely to look at the DAI by-law in a more

[4:41:27] Voice 9: wholesome way, and the sequence of which this

[4:41:31] Voice 7: by-law would happen, knowing that there's

[4:41:34] Voice 7: an OCP review happening and a land use by-law happening. So

[4:41:38] Voice 7: there's some other items that might

[4:41:42] Voice 7: come up sooner

[4:41:43] Voice 9: than this and it was another factor I think when we were looking into this,

[4:41:48] Voice 9: the staff looking into this was not very

[4:41:52] Voice 7: clear on the initial intent of what this

[4:41:57] Voice 7: review would be to include. So that indicates potentially that

[4:42:07] Voice 7: perhaps timeliness has sort of made this a little

[4:42:11] Voice 9: bit more blurry.

[4:42:15] Voice 7: Okay

[4:42:15] Voice 9: so in my mind I remember a couple of years ago Robert Kojima updated the North

[4:42:21] Voice 9: Pender DAI bylaw. And it was a really good one. And talking to David Marler and

[4:42:28] Voice 9: Stephen Cermak, it seemed like that would be a good model to follow. It had everything in there

[4:42:35] Voice 9: that I would want to see. And we talked about that

[4:42:39] Voice 10: about

[4:42:40] Voice 9: a year ago or so. So that's why it's

[4:42:44] Voice 9: a minor project, because there's already a good one out there, sort of a copy. And we've had

[4:42:51] Voice 9: applications come to us between then and now that oh we had a DIY that was more up to date

[4:42:58] Voice 9: we could ask for this in fact we can't ask for this it has to be you know the applicant has to

[4:43:05] Voice 9: offer it yeah

[4:43:06] Voice 12: so

[4:43:07] Voice 9: you know the more the more we don't have this that the more stuff goes through

[4:43:12] Voice 9: the cracks then we should be

[4:43:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): catching so one of the things that we could do at this juncture or

[4:43:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): and maybe halfway through the term,

[4:43:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): which is realistically where we're at,

[4:43:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): is we could ask staff to review on options

[4:43:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): for implementing what appears to be high priorities

[4:43:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): for the remainder of the term.

[4:43:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Put all these things into the basket and analyze it.

[4:43:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): And where's the greatest gains?

[4:43:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Realistically, right?

[4:43:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let's set the next LTC up for more success

[4:43:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): than maybe we've had starting off.

[4:43:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Not that we haven't been successful,

[4:43:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): but you know

[4:43:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): we've had some struggles and it

[4:43:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be better to improve the overall not that I don't

[4:43:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): want to advance ecological reserves and not that I don't want to advance DAIs and all these other

[4:43:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): things but it would be kind of what really struck me is if we're writing to somebody complaining

[4:44:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): about our own regulation then we should fix our regulation

[4:44:10] Voice 9: yeah okay I totally agree and I would

[4:44:15] Voice 9: add the down zoning if that subject property is that has a potential for

[4:44:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): you to do it

[4:44:22] Voice 9: well it

[4:44:23] Voice 9: doesn't

[4:44:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): change anything right now but we could change it for the next owner and that could be

[4:44:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): the one and

[4:44:29] Voice 9: i think it would signal intent to address what's been a long-standing issue

[4:44:37] Voice 9: you

[4:44:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): have to continue to support right but that's a good thing to go do so how that messes up your

[4:44:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): RCP is a reality check

[4:44:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): too, right? So I'm just saying, I'm just

[4:44:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): a property.

[4:44:50] Voice 9: I like the idea

[4:44:51] Voice 9: of almost project managing and

[4:44:53] Voice 9: assessment towards the end of term,

[4:44:56] Voice 9: what projects are

[4:44:57] Voice 9: achievable, and

[4:44:59] Voice 9: doing some analysis. I think

[4:45:01] Voice 9: that's a really good approach.

[4:45:05] Voice 9: Yes.

[4:45:06] Voice 19: Through

[4:45:06] Voice 9: the chair, that

[4:45:07] Voice 9: is your strategic planning for the

[4:45:09] Voice 9: term. Yes.

[4:45:11] Voice 9: Can we put our heads together on that?

[4:45:15] Voice 9: Yes.

[4:45:15] Voice 9: So, can

[4:45:16] Voice 9: we get a

[4:45:17] Voice 14: motion to ask you for that?

[4:45:18] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:45:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): What?

[4:45:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let's not make a motion.

[4:45:23] Voice 9: Oh.

[4:45:24] Voice 9: My staff doing analysis of the current and future projects list and feasibility and scope of the projects listed to report back to the next LTC meeting.

[4:45:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[4:45:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Maybe identify.

[4:45:45] Voice 9: And identify priorities.

[4:45:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Problems.

[4:45:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Experiences.

[4:45:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right,

[4:45:52] Voice 9: and identify opportunities and issues.

[4:45:54] Voice 9: Yeah, perfect.

[4:45:55] Voice 9: That's

[4:45:56] Voice 16: what I'm looking for.

[4:45:57] Voice 10: That's what I'm looking for.

[4:46:00] You like that?

[4:46:04] Voice 1: Yeah.

[4:46:05] Voice 1: That's good.

[4:46:06] Voice 10: I

[4:46:06] Voice 18: think I need the motion to be read or something.

[4:46:12] Voice 9: Okay.

[4:46:12] Voice 9: Okay, that was just many motions today.

[4:46:17] Voice 9: Request staff review prior to,

[4:46:26] Voice 9: no, not prior to this, that's our job.

[4:46:28] Voice 9: Review the current and future projects.

[4:46:35] Voice 9: Well, that's fine, it's all there.

[4:46:37] Voice 9: Projects list and back

[4:46:44] Voice 22: with issues

[4:46:48] Voice 22: opportunities for prioritization for the LTC so in order to prioritize prioritize

[4:47:12] Voice 9: major of the term no

[4:47:14] Voice 10: just

[4:47:15] Voice 9: LTC work or prioritize LTC work that's great

[4:47:19] Voice 9: perfect but staff review the current future projects list to report back with issues and

[4:47:24] Voice 9: opportunities in order to prioritize in order to help prioritize ltc's

[4:47:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): work yeah

[4:47:33] Voice 9: i'll second that

[4:47:34] Voice 9: perfect you

[4:47:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): gotta understand you got that you too lisa i'm

[4:47:39] Voice 9: writing it in my list

[4:47:41] Voice 9: okay

[4:47:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're so on it um so moved and seconded all those in favor

[4:47:52] Voice 9: I do have one more question with regard to the future projects list because this is a question

[4:48:00] Voice 9: that came to me from an ABC member but they haven't met I guess which one advisory planning

[4:48:07] Voice 9: commission bylaw number three oh um to request that they set a regular monthly meeting date and

[4:48:14] Voice 9: time. So we just need them to do that. I know they haven't had any referrals yet,

[4:48:20] Voice 9: but they will be getting referrals. And they still, as far as I understand, don't

[4:48:24] Voice 9: have a regular meeting date and time. And if they have one, they can either not

[4:48:31] Voice 9: meet if there's nothing before them, or meet if there's something before them. But they

[4:48:35] Voice 9: don't have that yet. They lost their chair, we haven't sent them a referral.

[4:48:39] Voice 9: girl yeah do we need to task them with work does that meaning dates yes because

[4:48:44] Voice 16: yes we

[4:48:47] Voice 9: we almost could have so i i think we just need to remind them amongst themselves

[4:48:51] Voice 9: to find a meeting date and time otherwise staff will be doing doodle polls and waiting for answers

[4:48:59] Voice 9: and it's really inefficient to do that and that's one person who asked me said i just wish we had

[4:49:06] Voice 9: had a set meeting you know day of the month in time so i could think of it sounds like a susan

[4:49:14] Voice 9: job why don't you talk to them and let me do it send them an email yes jeff doesn't want their

[4:49:20] Voice 9: chair exactly take it off staff's list that's not fair i mean i

[4:49:24] Voice 9: do it i just don't i don't have

[4:49:26] Voice 9: the money to do that do i you

[4:49:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): can talk to them do you have any suggestions and if you come back

[4:49:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): with some strong indication of consensus that we can just say yeah make it the 15th of every month

[4:49:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): and actually if

[4:49:43] Voice 9: you don't need it

[4:49:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[4:49:45] Voice 9: an idea could be in conversation happen behind the scenes

[4:49:49] Voice 9: with the members and

[4:49:51] Voice 9: tell them when it's ready to go out they can respond with let's start with

[4:49:59] Voice 9: So I'm going to make a request for staff to do this, and I move that the Gabriel Island

[4:50:11] Voice 9: Local Trust Committee request staff to contact the current APC members and ask them to number

[4:50:29] Voice 9: Number one, pick a chair, choose a chair.

[4:50:32] Voice 9: They've lost their chair.

[4:50:33] Voice 9: And number two, set a regular monthly meeting date and time.

[4:50:38] Voice 9: I'm

[4:50:46] Voice 16: sorry, got distracted.

[4:50:47] Voice 9: That's okay.

[4:50:48] Voice 9: I'm just asking staff, probably Stephen, I'm not sure who,

[4:50:52] Voice 9: to contact the APC, all of them, the current members,

[4:50:55] Voice 9: and first to pick a chair, they need to choose a chair.

[4:51:00] Voice 9: And then secondly, to choose a monthly meeting date and time.

[4:51:03] Voice 22: They haven't picked a chair.

[4:51:04] Voice 9: No, they lost their chair.

[4:51:08] Voice 18: To be sure, the APC would, they have not met since they lost their chair, so that would be something that is on their agenda the next time they meet is to elect a new chairperson.

[4:51:24] Voice 18: This regular meeting time, date and time, has been on their agenda as well, I believe the past two meetings, and

[4:51:33] Voice 18: they're not at this point.

[4:51:35] Voice 18: we there's not a nothing in the apc bylaw that compels them i

[4:51:40] Voice 23: know so

[4:51:41] Voice 18: that that request has

[4:51:42] Voice 18: been made to them and at this point that hasn't happened

[4:51:46] Voice 5: can we remind them we can compel them

[4:51:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): about changing the apc bylaw i'm kidding well

[4:51:54] Voice 9: it says here an amendment to the bylaw and i think

[4:51:58] Voice 9: we should change i think we should make that amendment i think it just makes it easier for

[4:52:02] Voice 9: every incoming APC and all staff for the APC to have a regular and whether or not they actually

[4:52:10] Voice 9: meet I think you just need

[4:52:12] Voice 9: to do this you've already asked staff to do it they've already

[4:52:14] Voice 9: asked them you're in communication with the APC just email them and say please do this

[4:52:19] Voice 9: you're a trustee yeah you can do it I'm happy to do it I just don't want to you know do it okay

[4:52:25] Voice 14: so that's it no motion um

[4:52:29] Voice 9: yeah we'll leave we'll leave it and we'll see what happens

[4:52:32] Voice 9: are you okay with that steven okay we'll

[4:52:37] Voice 12: take your direction to

[4:52:40] Voice 9: share i didn't hear an emotion

[4:52:42] Voice 9: no

[4:52:42] Voice 16: there is no no no no no

[4:52:45] Voice 9: you already did the thing now i'm going to apply the heavy weight

[4:52:52] Voice 9: of

[4:52:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): the trusteeship but you did get a motion about the reviewing the projects yes yeah yes

[4:52:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): we've done our work program we've done everything else unless

[4:53:02] Voice 9: you want to add the rezoning to the

[4:53:04] Voice 9: the

[4:53:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Future Projects List.

[4:53:07] Voice 9: I

[4:53:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): think we looked at opportunities.

[4:53:10] Voice 9: Well, through the Chair, that specific item to add,

[4:53:15] Voice 7: to identify for the Future Projects List,

[4:53:19] Voice 7: and then staff can go away with that previous resolution

[4:53:22] Voice 7: and include that and bring that back, report that back.

[4:53:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, actually, so you want to do this,

[4:53:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): amend the Future Projects List to have this amend the zone.

[4:53:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, sure, go for it.

[4:53:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So

[4:53:32] Voice 9: that staff amend the future projects list to include review and explore options to rezone parcels.

[4:53:48] Voice 9: Do I have to say the whole thing?

[4:53:52] Voice 7: Oh my gosh.

[4:53:54] Voice 7: Okay,

[4:53:55] Voice 9: I move that staff amend the future projects list to include a review and to review and explore options of rezoning PID 003-134-806,

[4:54:20] Voice 9: Northeast quarter of section 3

[4:54:22] Voice 9: Gabriel Island Nanaimo District

[4:54:24] Voice 9: except parcel A

[4:54:27] Voice 9: DD773261

[4:54:28] Voice 9: and except plans

[4:54:32] Voice 9: EPP19453

[4:54:33] Voice 9: and EPP66666

[4:54:43] Voice 8: EPP66666

[4:54:44] Voice 8: EPP66666

[4:54:44] Voice 8: EPP66666

[4:54:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Moved. You got it

[4:54:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): everybody? Yep. Seconded? Yep.

[4:54:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[4:54:54] Voice 10: That carries unanimously.

[4:54:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): There you go. That's on the list. Add it to that. Perfect. Anything else? Word programs?

[4:55:03] Voice 9: That's all.

[4:55:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, our next scheduled meeting is June 27th, 10.30.

[4:55:07] Voice 9: Brilliant.

[4:55:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): You'll be well into summer by then.

[4:55:10] Voice 9: June. We'll go sailing. Plan to stay overnight. You go sailing.

[4:55:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, I see. Okay.

[4:55:18] Voice 9: I have to go. I need to go.

[4:55:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Bye, everybody.

[4:55:22] Voice 9: You

[4:55:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): might be convinced of that. Okay.

[4:55:33] Voice 12: Thank

[4:55:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): you for joining us and please come back on June 27th.