Saturna Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 23, 2024

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[0:00:26] Voice 10: all right good morning everybody uh thank you for joining us today for this regular

[0:00:36] Voice 10: meeting of the saturn island local trust committee i want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that

[0:00:42] Voice 10: we're fortunate to be able to gather today in location across the territory of the coast salish

[0:00:48] Voice 10: people i'm david mod elected the main island chair of the saturn island local trust committee

[0:00:53] Voice 10: I'm joined today by your two Saturna Island local trustees, Trustee Boland and Trustee

[0:00:59] Voice 10: Middleton, and together we make up the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:04] Voice 10: This meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person

[0:01:08] Voice 10: today.

[0:01:09] Voice 10: The recording will be posted to the Non-Stressed website for future viewing.

[0:01:14] Voice 10: We have some staff members joining today.

[0:01:17] Voice 10: We have Robert Kuchina, who is the Regional Planning Manager.

[0:01:19] Voice 10: We have Brad Smith, who is your planner today.

[0:01:21] Voice 10: We don't have Mr. Dingman joining today that you know of, I don't see him sitting anywhere

[0:01:26] Voice 10: in the waiting list.

[0:01:28] Voice 10: We have Carly Bliny, who is our recording secretary, and we have Emily Bryant, who is

[0:01:39] Voice 10: our master Zoom person who is taking care of the recording and the broadcasting today.

[0:01:46] Voice 10: From there, this meeting is the official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions

[0:01:50] Voice 10: about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business I want to add

[0:01:54] Voice 10: this to place employment our staff great to a safe and respectful workplace so

[0:02:00] Voice 10: before us we have an agenda does anybody have any additions or changes or

[0:02:05] Voice 10: anything's

[0:02:05] Voice 7: so

[0:02:07] Voice 10: by consent we will adopt that agenda this before for us and we

[0:02:12] Voice 10: will launch right into our trustee report so who wants to be a reporting

[0:02:16] Voice 10: interesting first it

[0:02:19] Voice 11: has been far more active than i have certainly

[0:02:22] Voice 15: yeah and well i suppose

[0:02:26] Voice 15: the most important thing to uh talk about here is to raise your awareness of the fact that there's a

[0:02:32] Voice 15: new draft of the trust policy statement available and it um it's been a long and winding trail

[0:02:41] Voice 15: So it's probably coming up to three years in July since the first draft was put before the public.

[0:02:51] Voice 15: That was followed by a year of public engagement and then a series of recommendations were made to be absorbed into that version.

[0:03:05] Voice 15: So, a year later, that was, so in September 2022, those amendments were passed.

[0:03:16] Voice 15: And then, of course, we had the election, so more than half the Trust Council were new,

[0:03:24] Voice 15: and over the past 18 months, a new draft was prepared, which we hadn't seen.

[0:03:32] Voice 15: and in September that new draft last September 2023 that

[0:03:39] Voice 12: draft went out to engage a version

[0:03:55] Voice 12: from 2023 September and a version from April May 2024 redlined has been called a committee of the

[0:04:09] Voice 12: whole meeting on zoom

[0:04:11] Voice 15: all trust council but in the format of committee of the whole which

[0:04:16] Voice 15: which allows for more open debate and will be the first conversation to look at

[0:04:23] Voice 15: those, this new or those new drafts and the feedback.

[0:04:30] Voice 15: So I will send something out in the squibbler and I'll put it on Facebook,

[0:04:34] Voice 15: but I would really encourage everybody to take a look at it,

[0:04:40] Voice 15: provide feedback and to try and participate in the committee of the whole meeting it's the first

[0:04:47] Voice 15: committee of the whole meeting and that the trust council has held and it's quite a good step

[0:04:54] Voice 15: forward because the committee of the whole allows that you can you don't have to make a decision you

[0:05:01] Voice 15: can talk in a very free format way without being constrained to a motion or a decision which is

[0:05:09] Voice 15: what happens at trust council so the committee of the whole is um i hope it will allow for

[0:05:18] Voice 15: better dialogue and a better conversation about this and i'll leave it at that but look out for

[0:05:27] Voice 15: it please and please participate we can't do our job without the public giving us feedback and

[0:05:36] Voice 15: participating. Thank you.

[0:05:40] Voice 11: Thank you. Excuse me, I've been away for a few weeks, but prior to that, I have been

[0:05:49] Voice 11: working on a couple of conservation projects with our planner, one of which, of course,

[0:05:56] Voice 11: is the long-running Judy Meyers plan, which is seeking to donate to the Nature Conservancy

[0:06:03] Voice 11: to BC, which I don't think it's anywhere on the agenda anywhere else do we, so the Judy

[0:06:11] Voice 11: Myers property.

[0:06:12] Voice 11: So, yeah, so Fred's been very helpful.

[0:06:14] Voice 11: We've been trying to basically work with the Ministry of Transportation to have them realize

[0:06:18] Voice 11: this doesn't need to follow the letter of the law in terms of a normal subdivision application.

[0:06:24] Voice 11: It's basically Judy wants her cabin to be, well, to be subdivided, it has to be the minimum

[0:06:30] Voice 11: of five acres and so it's a it's becomes um a subdivision in the sense that she's dividing

[0:06:36] Voice 11: land around the cabin which she wants to have

[0:06:39] Voice 12: available for family use and of that property

[0:06:48] Voice 12: she's donating um

[0:06:49] Voice 11: to guns from cbc who are have to be very careful that the legalities of everything

[0:06:55] Voice 11: to do with the donation are in place and so it's taken a lot longer than anyone i think to hope but

[0:06:59] Voice 11: But the next step now is to, through Brad, is to convince the ministry to basically do a special community benefit focus on the subdivision.

[0:07:12] Voice 11: And that will allow the donation to move ahead.

[0:07:14] Voice 11: So that's where that stands.

[0:07:16] Voice 11: And then Brad and I met with a property owner in the middle of East Point.

[0:07:20] Voice 11: I think this is public knowledge now.

[0:07:21] Voice 11: to begin to look at potentially preserving the wetland that is in the

[0:07:28] Voice 1: middle

[0:07:28] Voice 11: of that East Point Peninsula and so it's very positive meeting we're so

[0:07:34] Voice 11: we're we're the various reason I need to be brought together the idea being that

[0:07:40] Voice 11: the CRD

[0:07:41] Voice 12: would hold this land as a but wouldn't be a country they'll hold it

[0:07:55] Voice 12: for conservation from holding park lands not just for recreation but also for

[0:07:58] Voice 12: conservation objectives and that's what this conservation goal so that

[0:08:08] Voice 11: kind of early days

[0:08:09] Voice 11: there but judy meyer's donation frees up some uh densities which as you know or may not know are

[0:08:16] Voice 11: sort of a currency on saterna because we have a density cap and so these densities would go

[0:08:22] Voice 11: uh to uh basically compensate the landowner for his inter donation of the wetland for

[0:08:30] Voice 11: for conservation purposes.

[0:08:31] Voice 11: So that's, I think, the two points of note

[0:08:36] Voice 11: and everything else I think is covered by the meeting.

[0:08:39] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:08:40] Voice 10: No, from the bigger perspective from the executives,

[0:08:45] Voice 10: been fairly busy the last few months

[0:08:48] Voice 10: with meetings, meetings, meetings.

[0:08:51] Voice 10: Particular interest is we had a fairly substantial meeting

[0:08:56] Voice 10: with the Ministry of Transport

[0:08:57] Voice 10: about highway protocols and such.

[0:09:00] Voice 10: And they're promising and they have been working a lot more closely with Islands Trust.

[0:09:04] Voice 10: So basically allowing your trustees to communicate with the community with what's going on and what's proposed and what's not proposed.

[0:09:11] Voice 10: So that was great.

[0:09:13] Voice 10: The big thing for many islands, which I believe includes Saturna, is this summer we're all getting new yellow lines.

[0:09:20] Voice 10: which is we're easily everybody quite excited so that because we've been

[0:09:27] Voice 10: lobbying for five or six years to get the lines painted and finally that

[0:09:31] Voice 10: managed to find some some money to do it but it was interesting because they were

[0:09:37] Voice 10: saying like one of the challenges is that the paint they use has got xylene

[0:09:41] Voice 10: in it and it's defined as being hazardous cargo by BC ferries so they're

[0:09:46] Voice 10: restricted to doing

[0:09:48] Voice 10: the islands to work

[0:09:50] Voice 10: with people that has this cargo

[0:09:52] Voice 10: assailants. So they said

[0:09:53] Voice 10: that logistically it makes it very complicated

[0:09:55] Voice 10: for them to do the islands because they can't

[0:09:58] Voice 10: just jump from island to island to island.

[0:10:00] Voice 10: So that was an interesting

[0:10:01] Voice 12: little

[0:10:31] Voice 12: the trust

[0:10:32] Voice 12: area

[0:10:33] Voice 10: because

[0:10:33] Voice 10: one of the things people don't realize, Islands Trust

[0:10:38] Voice 10: extends all the way down

[0:10:39] Voice 10: Santa Chinlet, all the way down past

[0:10:41] Voice 10: James Island. We

[0:10:43] Voice 10: We sort of, we envelop North Saanich, Central Saanich,

[0:10:47] Voice 10: a lot of places that you wouldn't think are Isles Trust areas.

[0:10:51] Voice 10: So the enforcement sort of needs to be coordinated

[0:10:54] Voice 10: and what the policies are and what are permitted

[0:10:57] Voice 10: and what is not permitted.

[0:10:58] Voice 10: So we're in early days with trying to figure that out

[0:11:01] Voice 10: with everybody because the rules tend to be changing.

[0:11:07] Voice 10: So we're, and I think maybe the other thing

[0:11:11] Voice 10: I should just touch on with the policy statement is the best way to give

[0:11:16] Voice 10: feedback is certainly keep your, your, your trustees in the loop,

[0:11:19] Voice 10: but there's, there's a portal there for on the website for feedback from the

[0:11:25] Voice 10: public.

[0:11:25] Voice 10: That's a really good place to get everything out into the whole process

[0:11:34] Voice 10: public wise. Certainly if you, if you email your trustees about it,

[0:11:38] Voice 10: They'll forward it to that portal, but that portal is a way of really ensuring that your comments and your concerns or your accolades for the document get fed back into the process.

[0:11:52] Voice 10: And I'm optimistic.

[0:11:54] Voice 10: I can say from a Main Island perspective, we have public meetings on Main Island, Glasgow.

[0:12:30] Voice 12: We will have to see.

[0:12:32] Voice 10: I'll leave it to that.

[0:12:33] Voice 10: And, oh, we have one question.

[0:12:40] Voice 15: there's no deadline right now sorry there's um i'll post information but we are entering a kind

[0:12:49] Voice 15: of a consultation communication period and um but even

[0:12:54] Voice 12: then there's a project because um and then

[0:13:05] Voice 12: and

[0:13:05] Voice 15: then there'll be some sort of schedule put together um about it but i'll send everything out

[0:13:12] Voice 15: including what David calls the portal is it's the islands 2050 program and there's an email there

[0:13:21] Voice 15: and all the documents that have been gathered and there are many many many are all in that website

[0:13:31] Voice 15: I would say that whether you agree or disagree with it it's certainly more readable and a lot

[0:13:40] Voice 15: of the amendments just cut out a lot of words and made it at least if you want to discuss it

[0:13:48] Voice 15: it's possible to know that we're all on the same page or the same item i think in the past it was

[0:13:56] Voice 15: very worthy and very difficult to even have a conversation about it so that has definitely

[0:14:04] Voice 15: Okay,

[0:14:06] Voice 10: we'll do one more.

[0:14:07] Voice 10: Yes.

[0:14:07] Voice 17: So this is about what you're talking about.

[0:14:10] Voice 15: The Trust Policy Statement.

[0:14:11] Voice 17: The Trust Policy Statement and the Drupal covers some of that.

[0:14:15] Voice 17: So do I understand correctly that the people who view you need to understand that you and

[0:14:22] Voice 17: we will be putting forth Saturnus views or your own views?

[0:14:28] Voice 15: Both.

[0:14:29] Voice 15: Both.

[0:14:29] Voice 15: Like just bring it on.

[0:14:31] Voice 15: Anything you have to say.

[0:14:32] Voice 15: I think it's a great question.

[0:14:33] Voice 15: But David's point is good in that everything that goes to Islands, I think at Information Islands 2050, whatever it is, this official email, even if you send it to us, always send it to that email as well, because that's official correspondence and feedback from the public.

[0:14:52] Voice 15: So I'll make that clear in the Scribbler and

[0:14:55] Voice 12: in Facebook and other means, but definitely we

[0:15:03] Voice 15: record it as feedback. So that's really helpful.

[0:15:05] Voice 15: and just another little tidbit so um the trust council on 18 19 20 of june is on salt spring

[0:15:14] Voice 15: island uh and it's um the 50th anniversary and adam olsen has been invited to speak on the first

[0:15:25] Voice 15: day of the meeting i don't know the schedule exactly yet but since he is he's our mla and

[0:15:33] Voice 15: And he does a lot of good work gluing trustees and CRD and MLAs, people together.

[0:15:42] Voice 15: He's, you know, very effective.

[0:15:44] Voice 15: So I'm looking forward to hearing him speak.

[0:15:47] Voice 15: He also is the MLA for more than half of the population of the trust area.

[0:15:52] Voice 15: So I would like to hear his opinion in a more, in a very general sense about, you know, how we can move forward.

[0:16:01] Voice 15: 50 years done. What comes next?

[0:16:04] Voice 10: Excellent. Alright, so we'll pop over to the Electoral Director's report, seeing as we've imported him here.

[0:16:13] Voice 6: I'll start off with the Corrector. You indicated that MOTI and Times Trust got together. For me, that was MOTI, Times Trust, and the Capital Regional District.

[0:16:24] Voice 6: You've left me out again.

[0:16:28] Voice 6: My sincere

[0:16:29] Voice 10: apologies, Director Brent.

[0:16:31] Voice 10: We are

[0:16:31] Voice 6: working together, not only with other agencies, a lot more than we have in the past.

[0:16:41] Voice 6: So what do I know, too?

[0:16:42] Voice 6: Dealing with complaints.

[0:16:44] Voice 6: There are complaints that come to me about more invoice.

[0:16:46] Voice 6: They leave a more invoice on me now.

[0:16:48] Voice 6: I had one yesterday.

[0:16:50] Voice 6: So there you go.

[0:16:52] Voice 6: Dealing with complaints on invoice.

[0:16:53] Voice 6: Dealing with complaints on light.

[0:16:55] Voice 6: Dealing with complaints on garbage.

[0:16:57] Voice 6: Dealing with complaints on drainage.

[0:16:58] Voice 6: Dealing with complaints on unsightly premises.

[0:17:01] Voice 6: There's a dog apparently over on.

[0:17:04] Voice 6: on pender island that people don't like to look up it's small i am dealing with the complaints

[0:17:10] Voice 6: about potential fire hazards and i'm dealing with complaints about irresponsible procurement

[0:17:16] Voice 6: on the crd so lots of minutiae and there are a lot of very classy people these days on the island

[0:17:36] Voice 6: so we're making really slow progress on housing we are making some progress but it's same thing

[0:17:43] Voice 6: with that broadband fiber initiative so again it's slow what's some of the good stuff that

[0:17:49] Voice 6: happened has happened uh since i cover all the areas i got to talk about the main island

[0:17:55] Voice 6: so crd has really had a good program of rehabilitating dogs right across the board so

[0:18:00] Voice 6: so that's the main island had the worst situation of all.

[0:18:06] Voice 6: They had a dock that was basically falling into the water

[0:18:09] Voice 6: on Morton Bay, same on Miners.

[0:18:11] Voice 6: So, Morton Bay has been rehabbed.

[0:18:13] Voice 6: It was supposed to be removed,

[0:18:15] Voice 6: but it's now been rehabbed and it's quite a good dock.

[0:18:18] Voice 6: They've got a brand new dock at Anson Road.

[0:18:20] Voice 6: Some people tend to complain a lot

[0:18:23] Voice 6: about the way the structure looks,

[0:18:25] Voice 6: but it's 720 living feet of dock for islanders.

[0:18:29] Voice 6: And yes, and we've had a significant re-innovation

[0:18:34] Voice 6: of Miners Bay Dock, and that's what it's actually a public-private partnership.

[0:18:42] Voice 6: So Islands Coastal Economic Trust, which we now belong to as a result of the work of the previous director, provided $30,000 in grants.

[0:18:52] Voice 6: He did it as well for me, and the community raised $30,000 in terms of probably way more than that in terms of funding, and so we've got a shelter now at the dock. We have a railing all the way around the dock, which wasn't there before.

[0:19:08] Voice 6: It's been phenomenal, and the Lions have been driving that with their community.

[0:19:13] Voice 6: And it's also done, again, community initiative, which I really like, not necessarily, there's a small amount of CID

[0:19:20] Voice 12: funding involvement, but it's probably going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of

[0:20:02] Voice 6: $50 to $20 million we have, and a very significant amount of infrastructure that some people don't believe is island-centric, but whether it's island-centric or whether it's a road that continues to fall into the ocean, those are two competing things.

[0:20:17] Voice 6: They're also working on a

[0:20:18] Voice 6: trail, so a main island has a trail that's still under construction

[0:20:22] Voice 6: from the CRE.

[0:20:23] Voice 6: It's been a bit of an embarrassment, so it's cost over $1 million, but it connects Village

[0:20:30] Voice 6: Bay, Berryton Road, and Mines Bay.

[0:20:32] Voice 6: So that's good from a safety point of view.

[0:20:35] Voice 6: Henry's doing the Schooner Trail, which connects the school to Magic Lake, where the majority

[0:20:40] Voice 6: of the population is 1,000 people, and the county

[0:20:43] Voice 8: is having a fair.

[0:20:44] Voice 8: And so far they received $560,000 in grants, $500 from the province,

[0:20:51] Voice 6: $65,000 from IMAX Coastal Economic Trust, of which I'm the trustee because it's all called funds, and $200

[0:20:59] Voice 12: ,000 in energy work funds.

[0:21:02] Voice 12: And after the report that Pender Island Parks and Recreation is now performing extraordinarily well, so we've got enough money to do that.

[0:21:18] Voice 12: But yeah, we know everything's going to be done by the people on Blackside and Parker.

[0:21:39] Voice 12: I'm sure we're going to have to test their play.

[0:21:41] Voice 12: So everyone's ready to go.

[0:21:43] Voice 12: I'm going to take them $30,000 a year.

[0:22:20] Voice 12: Can

[0:22:20] Voice 8: we

[0:22:24] Voice 11: ask a regional director question?

[0:22:27] Voice 11: Well, I think we should.

[0:22:30] Voice 11: Because he has a habit of slipping out.

[0:22:33] Voice 11: Well, he's very good.

[0:22:35] Voice 11: He's the first director to attend our meetings.

[0:22:37] Voice 11: And we are very grateful for that.

[0:22:39] Voice 11: back. Thank you for attending. And so some of these topics are of interest, and you can

[0:22:46] Voice 11: feel free to weigh in, Chair, on this Moor & Boy issue. What is the emerging consensus

[0:22:52] Voice 11: on those complaints and or the direction that the powers that be want to take in regard

[0:23:00] Voice 11: to Moor & Boys?

[0:23:01] Voice 11: Well,

[0:23:02] Voice 10: from a main island perspective, we're sort of in a difficult position in that with enforcement, the basic concept is if something isn't specifically permitted in the bylaws, then it's specifically prohibited.

[0:23:22] Voice 10: And from a main island, and I think several of the Gulf Islands, we've never envisioned

[0:23:28] Voice 12: having protection in the mooring boys.

[0:23:43] Voice 12: It was always inevitable to do more employees within our energy cycle.

[0:23:46] Voice 12: So in the illegal, we have a project coming forward to...

[0:23:50] Voice 12: Excuse me, Chair, you're muted right now.

[0:25:28] Voice 12: First Nations were going to be the key to

[0:25:31] Voice 6: doing this, right?

[0:25:34] Voice 6: And to assembling all the forces, right?

[0:25:39] Voice 6: So that was everyone's thought, but I think it's a little bit wrong with this.

[0:25:44] Voice 6: No one really wants to tackle the issue.

[0:25:46] Voice 6: issue. I think the best way to start is for countries over the trust is just put a moratorium

[0:25:52] Voice 6: on New Morning List. And yes, it will be contested, but at least some people will abide by it.

[0:26:03] Voice 15: I think we need to check, at that meeting, the COD person, I can't remember, did a very

[0:26:11] Voice 15: good the super duper presentation

[0:26:14] Voice 12: which was everything i ever wanted to know and more back

[0:26:23] Voice 15: it was really really excellent but she actually had a table which talked about all the different

[0:26:28] Voice 15: islands and apparently saturn is one of the few islands that actually does prohibit them

[0:26:34] Voice 15: in that it lays out what the permitted uses are and marker boys this is in open waters

[0:26:42] Voice 15: So Ceterna does not allow mooring boys in open waters, which is unique among the islands.

[0:26:50] Voice 15: And so we may need to advertise that and highlight it just to make sure it doesn't become a problem.

[0:26:57] Voice 12: But we actually have several here.

[0:27:06] Voice 12: And of whom we

[0:27:08] Voice 11: have one who would like to look into that situation because he believes it violates constitutional rights of citizens.

[0:27:17] Voice 11: Yeah,

[0:27:19] Voice 10: so we're heading for town hall, but go ahead.

[0:27:21] Voice 5: Is there a grandfather aspect to that statement?

[0:27:26] Voice 15: I don't know, to be honest. I'm just looking at it, and I don't know when it came in or what date was on it.

[0:27:31] Voice 15: It's just open water zone permitted uses. The following uses are permitted, blah, blah, blah, and all other uses are prohibited.

[0:27:38] Voice 15: And I don't think that, I mean, open waters are not, you know, the water that's close to you where you might put your buoy, that's not open waters. Open waters is beyond that. So, you know, your average person with a private mooring buoy off their property isn't affected by this.

[0:27:59] Voice 15: I think it's, you know, you can't just show up and stick a mooring buoy in the middle of Lyle Harbour or something.

[0:28:07] Voice 15: well

[0:28:07] Voice 5: it

[0:28:12] Voice 15: does because it says they're not allowed in general

[0:28:24] Voice 15: that's not that's

[0:28:26] Voice 15: that's not prohibited but that isn't the problem the problem is as far as i

[0:28:32] Voice 15: understand it is places like ganges harbor etc where there are many like the problem we don't

[0:28:39] Voice 15: have a problem here really i mean um but on some of the other islands they have a significant problem

[0:28:47] Voice 15: and it's effectively it's like illegal encampments but now it's on the water and there's no

[0:28:54] Voice 15: sanitation there's no regulation etc there are things being abandoned so there's a huge issue

[0:29:03] Voice 15: which we don't really see here but that presentation was quite scary in fact

[0:29:09] Voice 15: Because

[0:29:10] Voice 10: I think it was Gantius Harbour, Seaham Harbour, Brentwood Bay were the particular ones that

[0:29:17] Voice 10: fairly significant issues. Yeah

[0:29:20] Voice 15: I wonder if we can get that presentation and share it because it was

[0:29:23] Voice 15: quite amazing like it's quite big but everything you ever wanted to know is in there and it's very

[0:29:30] Voice 15: well laid out and

[0:29:31] Voice 10: communicated. Well we can ask our CRPD director to see if he can get that.

[0:29:35] Voice 10: I think he will.

[0:29:37] Voice 10: Oh, no.

[0:29:37] Voice 10: He's giving me eyes.

[0:29:38] Voice 10: Go

[0:29:39] Voice 17: ahead, Priscilla.

[0:29:40] Voice 10: Go ahead.

[0:29:42] Voice 17: Looking at that, the difference between open waters, so federal waters as opposed

[0:29:48] Voice 17: to inshore waters, some amount from

[0:29:51] Voice 15: the seashore.

[0:29:52] Voice 17: I'm going to bounce

[0:29:52] Voice 15: that straight over there.

[0:29:55] Voice 10: Mr. Kojima, can you

[0:29:57] Voice 15: give us an interpretation

[0:29:57] Voice 10: between open waters and ...

[0:30:00] Voice 6: Well, I think trustee Bolton is referring to this to the zoning. This is a 19th bylaw, and so there's a zone, an open water zone, that's unrelated to the concept of interior waters or whatever they are for provincial purposes.

[0:30:19] Voice 6: Is

[0:30:20] Voice 17: there any, so you were talking about Horton Bay and the difference between whether or not those become commercial buoys because people are renting and other people are turning in their buoys. I would imagine that's not open water in Horton Bay.

[0:30:38] Voice 10: Okay, well, our zoning is basically W1, W2. So different type of zoning, but yes, no.

[0:30:45] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:30:46] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:30:47] Voice 17: And then, so my first question on that is that for new buoys, there is a more expensive

[0:30:54] Voice 17: way of putting buoys down that does not allow the anchor chains to drag and effectively

[0:31:01] Voice 17: scour the various, you know, wide circles around the boats.

[0:31:05] Voice 17: So, and I know they're more expensive because Parks Canada didn't put them in around the

[0:31:12] Voice 17: cabbage island and so just putting it out there preserve and protect i would certainly like to see

[0:31:21] Voice 17: new applications being passed to do that i've been sure waters where there are

[0:31:28] Voice 17: yeah

[0:31:28] Voice 10: and most certainly is that to be clear is it still to put a mooring boy in you need to do it

[0:31:35] Voice 10: through the navigable waters act um so you you can't just plop them in they're at their actual

[0:31:41] Voice 10: actual specifications to what you can do, including the scouring issue.

[0:31:47] Voice 10: So there's some basic stuff like the mooring boy has to have your name and address or name

[0:31:51] Voice 10: and phone number on it.

[0:31:53] Voice 10: There's a whole series of things to conform to the federal regulations.

[0:31:59] Voice 10: So it gets very complicated because we have many bureaucratic fingers in the pie.

[0:32:05] Voice 10: And that's part of what the meeting was about, is understanding who potentially is responsible for what, because it seems the enforcement part, particularly the feds, are looking to local government to do that.

[0:32:20] Voice 10: And so then it gets, again, into these gray areas, because we have, say, a place like Central Saanich with Brentwood Bay.

[0:32:27] Voice 10: Well, if you look at our stuff, we go into Brentwood Bay.

[0:32:33] Voice 10: crd has a little finger in into to that jurisdiction too so what we need to do is

[0:32:40] Voice 10: all working together figuring out okay what is the enforcement regime going to be who is going

[0:32:45] Voice 10: to do it how is it going to be accomplished because one of the important things that we

[0:32:49] Voice 10: establish is none of us have votes so you know for for like so for c i'll stress to go into

[0:32:56] Voice 10: to bio-enforcement, we have to hire

[0:32:57] Voice 10: a water taxi.

[0:33:03] Voice 10: We're getting a little bit outside of our comfort

[0:33:05] Voice 10: level, so we're all going to have

[0:33:07] Voice 10: to work together to figure it out and do

[0:33:10] Voice 10: what is the right thing

[0:33:12] Voice 10: for our community.

[0:33:12] Voice 10: Like everything, it's not easy.

[0:33:17] Voice 10: But anyhow, so we've

[0:33:19] Voice 10: established that

[0:33:21] Voice 10: Director Brent is

[0:33:22] Voice 10: the person to complain to about everything.

[0:33:25] Voice 10: thing so bear that in mind because that that conduit is very important um but is that it for

[0:33:31] Voice 10: you director brent do you have anything more to add

[0:33:34] Voice 6: that one for now you

[0:33:40] Voice 11: used the word conduit

[0:33:42] Voice 11: which was very good segue so the broadband initiative um you said it's going slowly do

[0:33:51] Voice 11: you have any more general update about the connected coast and the fiber cable and the

[0:33:58] Voice 11: potential likelihood of connection on saturn island um

[0:34:04] Voice 6: i can tell you that we had expected

[0:34:06] Voice 6: that would be stuff that would be able to be released publicly but unfortunately their

[0:34:13] Voice 6: physical connections they're having difficulty with all sorts of stuff first nations consultation

[0:34:20] Voice 6: facilitation and permissions and

[0:34:23] Voice 6: the technology so they're behind and so the consequence when

[0:34:29] Voice 6: the government wants to make wonderful announcements and

[0:34:32] Voice 6: The contractor is behind. They don't make the one

[0:34:37] Voice 6: It's just other things are moving along we got it. We've got another

[0:34:42] Voice 6: $65,000 500 or $500,000 grant for

[0:34:48] Voice 6: internet on

[0:34:53] Voice 6: So we

[0:34:54] Voice 11: saw the City West trucks here I think last summer surveying presumably

[0:35:01] Voice 11: the connection points but the big if is when does the fiber cable get here

[0:35:06] Voice 17: yeah

[0:35:08] Voice 11: I'm sure I

[0:35:10] Voice 17: must

[0:35:12] Voice 10: say the connect coast is up on Denman which is another one of my

[0:35:16] Voice 10: jurisdictions and the people are quite delighted right but the people who've

[0:35:20] Voice 10: got it. The rollout

[0:35:25] Voice 10: they've gotten a whole bunch done but there's

[0:35:28] Voice 10: a lot of people who actually have not got connected up and part of the

[0:35:32] Voice 10: issue was I believe the number

[0:35:36] Voice 10: was 30 meters of cable they would run into your property

[0:35:40] Voice 10: and if you're beyond that you have to pay extra and

[0:35:44] Voice 10: apparently the initial rollout of the number was quite high and that brought

[0:35:48] Voice 10: brought it down to a more reasonable number but the people who've got it um like um who's upset

[0:35:54] Voice 10: um sam borswick um it says he's gone from zero internet

[0:35:58] Voice 10: to he's 880 megabytes per second which

[0:36:04] Voice 10: is like phenomenally amazing and he's just over the moon yeah

[0:36:10] Voice 5: yeah well to that question some

[0:36:14] Voice 5: Some years ago, there is a fiber optic cable that comes from the dock and goes up as far as the TV tower.

[0:36:19] Voice 5: In fact, my daughter and son-in-law live along East Point Road towards the dock.

[0:36:25] Voice 5: They have a long driveway.

[0:36:26] Voice 5: A number of years ago, my son-in-law asked how much it would cost to hook up his house,

[0:36:33] Voice 5: and they told him $4,500, and he said, thanks very much.

[0:36:37] Voice 5: I'll pass on that.

[0:36:38] Voice 5: So if this cable goes everywhere and people are taxed with that kind of a hookup charge,

[0:36:43] Voice 5: nobody's going to use it and it seems like a lot of money spent to the public's you know not any

[0:36:50] Voice 5: great value to the public because many of us have very long driveways it's the nature of the history

[0:36:57] Voice 5: yeah

[0:36:57] Voice 11: well they can't maybe direct an industry to this attorney received what a 2.6 million

[0:37:03] Voice 11: dollar grant to provide connection to presumably every single driveway yes every driveway

[0:37:09] Voice 6: right so

[0:37:11] Voice 11: So, yes, okay, well.

[0:37:15] Voice 11: The people that have long right-ways are just great.

[0:37:19] Voice 10: Well, I think that's Trustee Graham's problem.

[0:37:22] Voice 10: I think he's 300 metres or something into the bush,

[0:37:26] Voice 10: and he can't get hooked up because it was too expensive.

[0:37:29] Voice 10: So I think it's reasonable, probably for our CD director,

[0:37:33] Voice 10: to reach out maybe to the director up there, Daniel, who's very good,

[0:37:38] Voice 10: and probably get some communication feedback back as to what did or did not work.

[0:37:42] Voice 10: I know the overall experience has been quite positive,

[0:37:45] Voice 10: but there have been some negative aspects, yes.

[0:37:47] Voice 5: In some, I don't know whose department it would fall into,

[0:37:52] Voice 5: but it seems to me if the determining factor could be taken to the end of primary

[0:38:00] Voice 5: and that would help a lot of people with long driveways at least got to the

[0:38:05] Voice 5: primary service then they wouldn't be trapped with a quarter or half a mile of ground kind of

[0:38:13] Voice 5: good

[0:38:14] Voice 11: thank you very last small question any update on magic lake estates municipal

[0:38:21] Voice 11: study request well

[0:38:23] Voice 6: they got their study they had a governance and services study i think

[0:38:28] Voice 6: what it was called and uh so it was basically to inform magic lake folks you know who delivers what

[0:38:35] Voice 6: and also the test what they were least happy with and most happy with and

[0:38:42] Voice 6: actually the biggest complaint and one of these crafts and four quarters and

[0:38:51] Voice 6: so this was negative up here and it was principally menstrual transport

[0:38:56] Voice 13: no

[0:38:58] Voice 6: painted lines which they're addressing now no speed limits which there's

[0:39:02] Voice 6: partially addressing now and yeah so those are the big ones I'm the stress

[0:39:08] Voice 6: didn't get catch too much heat and CRD was up to be just probably the most

[0:39:14] Voice 6: wondrous agency in the world if my memory serves me right so do you think they're

[0:39:21] Voice 6: continuing on looking at they're going to push the province is just not keen on letting them become a municipality

[0:39:31] Voice 6: municipality

[0:39:32] Voice 6: They're pretty tight-knit place. So the number of roads the amount of roads for

[0:39:38] Voice 6: Dancing right it is pretty reasonable, but province has

[0:39:43] Voice 6: Presently clearly they have no interest. They say they're too small and that's a function of it

[0:39:50] Voice 6: If they're closer to 5,000 and once they hit 5,000 the problem is getting offload a whole bunch of other

[0:39:56] Voice 6: costs on them, so that's kind of

[0:39:59] Voice 6: ideal

[0:40:00] Voice 6: ideal but however i look at very quickly here um this the province gives money to municipalities

[0:40:09] Voice 6: like crazy municipalities tend to be more urban that's where the votes are that's where the

[0:40:14] Voice 6: province focuses its money electoral areas are represent less than 10 percent of the province

[0:40:20] Voice 6: population and we're often excluded from stuff that you know is ridiculous so secondary suites

[0:40:28] Voice 6: we were originally through the consecutive suites now what areas are perfectly suited for the

[0:40:34] Voice 6: secondary suites rural electoral but

[0:40:38] Voice 8: no the problem said you know municipalities only

[0:40:41] Voice 8: they're the same thing with the growing

[0:40:46] Voice 12: community fund uh initiative so we're pretty limited here

[0:40:51] Voice 12: given my dry housing development that was not crd young so

[0:41:06] Voice 6: it's it might be

[0:41:08] Voice 12: if we can go

[0:41:09] Voice 12: municipality here between maine and sojourner i think i do don't care about it i'll serve the

[0:41:19] Voice 10: balls in your court

[0:41:19] Voice 13: thank you

[0:41:22] Voice 12: how

[0:41:23] Voice 10: are you doing i'll back you all the way i still have my paul

[0:41:27] Voice 10: bent sign so all right um if that's that we can

[0:41:32] Voice 10: move on to town hall um i think everybody knows

[0:41:36] Voice 10: the deal put up your hands um as you acknowledge if you just give your name that'd be great and

[0:41:41] Voice 10: And we'd like to keep it at two minutes, but we're not too fussy about that.

[0:41:45] Voice 10: So does anybody have any questions for the town hall portion?

[0:41:48] Voice 10: We'll hit.

[0:41:49] Voice 17: Dr. Stella, you're next.

[0:41:51] Voice 17: I had a question.

[0:41:51] Voice 17: I carefully read the minutes in the last meeting, which I was about a third of the meeting late,

[0:41:56] Voice 17: so I didn't catch up on a few things.

[0:42:00] Voice 17: I was wondering, we have this stream that I have a large segment of the stream,

[0:42:06] Voice 17: and mine goes down to Wild Creek, and then further on, stuff starts aggregating and goes

[0:42:14] Voice 17: to Motee, and then it goes down around here, goes down there, and it gets added to from

[0:42:25] Voice 17: the water that comes down by the church there.

[0:42:29] Voice 17: There's a lot of water that comes in there, so some of working on the OAP has been to

[0:42:36] Voice 17: deal with water issues and i wondered and then that goes further down across down into the land

[0:42:47] Voice 17: yeah the popular land and further down and it comes out in the boot of a boot code okay so

[0:42:56] Voice 17: my point is i think that i read about brad directly i'm wrong in the report that that

[0:43:01] Voice 17: that particular screen has never been,

[0:43:04] Voice 17: it's not presented or marked out in any way

[0:43:08] Voice 17: as being a designation or something.

[0:43:10] Voice 18: It's not

[0:43:11] Voice 6: a provincially designated

[0:43:14] Voice 6: waterway or wetland

[0:43:16] Voice 6: and as there are no

[0:43:19] Voice 4: DPA provisions

[0:43:21] Voice 6: for the general, I think the Lyle Creek

[0:43:24] Voice 6: and the steep slope, the cliff,

[0:43:29] Voice 6: you could offer protection for having had like that

[0:43:42] Voice 5: I do understand that.

[0:43:46] Voice 5: So

[0:43:46] Voice 17: my question is about generally when we have an area that isn't designated set-aside

[0:43:54] Voice 17: and that area goes through an area that's fairly well populated, you know, it's down

[0:43:59] Voice 17: by money, it's really wet and stuff like that.

[0:44:02] Voice 17: and we also have I think the idea of increasing the OAP which goes right to

[0:44:10] Voice 17: that there's a lot of water from there and this is a preserve and protect

[0:44:16] Voice 17: mandate at some point or do we think just putting that thing into conduits

[0:44:23] Voice 17: or do we offer it some protection and some thought and if so is it only up to

[0:44:29] Voice 17: the people who own the land privately or does that ever is it only at the people who own the land

[0:44:39] Voice 17: privately only at their judgment or does that never come into trust area distinction because

[0:44:46] Voice 17: once you take once you increase that oap area you're going to have to deal with water big time

[0:44:53] Voice 17: the second thing i was asking about is if there are historical um artifacts on private land

[0:45:02] Voice 17: whether it's buildings or first aid and stuff or anything like that,

[0:45:06] Voice 17: is there any overriding distinction,

[0:45:09] Voice 17: or is it only at the discretion of the landowner

[0:45:12] Voice 17: that the aesthetic would be preserved and protected?

[0:45:19] Voice 14: It's both

[0:45:20] Voice 17: waterways and human cultural artifacts.

[0:45:25] Voice 17: I'll

[0:45:26] Voice 10: hand it over to Planner Smith,

[0:45:27] Voice 10: but certainly the cultural artifacts of all levels,

[0:45:31] Voice 10: we have what the Heritage Protection Act,

[0:45:34] Voice 10: Which that's a provincial act that over everything, you can't just go do things.

[0:45:40] Voice 10: If you go out, say, into the bush in Banfield and you find an old steam locomotive, it's protected.

[0:45:47] Voice 10: You can't do anything.

[0:45:50] Voice 10: And so it's to modern history all the way back to time immemorial is that any artifacts are covered in a provincial law.

[0:45:59] Voice 10: But we'll hand it over to the pros here.

[0:46:01] Voice 17: is it considering artifacts or is it artifacts for submission or is it um so considering the

[0:46:07] Voice 17: charcoal kits there's two on michael stewart's land and there's some down in the in the valley

[0:46:13] Voice 17: there so i think there's about four in total do they have any um protection so you're saying

[0:46:20] Voice 17: there's a blanket protection yeah

[0:46:22] Voice 10: i believe so because on main island which you can correct me

[0:46:27] Voice 10: but I believe the charcoal kits there are protected.

[0:46:29] Voice 6: I believe the Provincial Heritage Conservation Act

[0:46:33] Voice 6: protects artifacts of pre-1847.

[0:46:41] Voice 6: Primarily indigenous artifacts, but not exclusively.

[0:46:45] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:46:45] Voice 6: Just by date.

[0:46:47] Voice 6: I'm

[0:46:47] Voice 18: going to be posting that Provincial Heritage Designation

[0:46:56] Voice 18: or I don't know.

[0:47:01] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:47:02] Voice 17: I really

[0:47:02] Voice 8: like the spell here.

[0:47:08] Voice 17: so there is so there would be bill detection for those trustful accounts that are here on this

[0:47:12] Voice 17: attorney okay so the owner could take those down um if not make any judgments on that because that

[0:47:22] Voice 17: is in the way of of uh keeping them for putting putting in housing or removing water right

[0:47:29] Voice 17: generally who is it up to to there's no no outer group that would confer any

[0:47:44] Voice 17: preservation value or anything i

[0:47:47] Voice 10: would i would suggest it's best to reach out to the heritage

[0:47:50] Voice 10: branch with those questions that probably give you because as i say on on main island i understand

[0:47:57] Voice 10: our charcoal pits are protected under provincial legislation so and

[0:48:04] Voice 17: how about the water

[0:48:05] Voice 17: considerations. If it's not designated, who designates things like that?

[0:48:13] Voice 18: The problem is, has established what the stream is, or what a waterway

[0:48:22] Voice 4: is. If

[0:48:24] Voice 18: those are designated, then that would trigger

[0:48:27] Voice 4: varying areas where there's an issue, for example, so that if you wanted to do any work in a raw or designated

[0:48:33] Voice 4: waterway, you would need to go to equipment and have to do that.

[0:48:40] Voice 6: If they are not designated by the province,

[0:48:43] Voice 4: then local governments have the ability to establish development permit areas to protect sensitive features such as wetlands and other associated habitats.

[0:48:57] Voice 4: tests and in this case long to turn up those dps don't exist so unless there's a designation

[0:49:03] Voice 4: we haven't stressed we have a limited uh role in managing or improving development

[0:49:15] Voice 7: that's exactly where everyone has

[0:49:16] Voice 7: all

[0:49:17] Voice 13: right

[0:49:19] Voice 10: so sir in the back

[0:49:31] Voice 10: I'm sorry, we're not allowed to consider any information on that application.

[0:49:36] Voice 13: This is not new information.

[0:49:39] Voice 13: We

[0:49:39] Voice 6: made an application response

[0:49:41] Voice 5: on March 24th,

[0:49:44] Voice 6: two months ago.

[0:49:45] Voice 6: I see that we're not keeping to a timetable right now.

[0:49:48] Voice 6: We're trying to be a gentleman in it, an agenda, and I would like to know what our concerns are

[0:49:59] Voice 6: And whether or

[0:50:00] Voice 5: not they have been heard by this committee and able to address them, and when that might be.

[0:50:06] Voice 10: Well, timing-wise, we're looking probably, what, 30 minutes or so?

[0:50:13] Voice 10: It's on the agenda, so we have a delegation before the consideration of that.

[0:50:19] Voice 10: But I would suggest the next 30, 45 minutes.

[0:50:22] Voice 10: But anything that you put in...

[0:50:24] Voice 5: No, it does

[0:50:28] Voice 5: not.

[0:50:29] Voice 10: Yeah, because we're post-public hearing, so we're not allowed to

[0:50:33] Voice 10: receive any new information

[0:50:35] Voice 10: on this application.

[0:50:42] Voice 4: So your submissions were considered out in public.

[0:50:49] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:50:51] Voice 4: I appreciate that.

[0:50:52] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:50:55] Voice 10: Director Brent.

[0:50:57] Voice 6: This relates to the new draft policy statement.

[0:51:03] Voice 6: So just for clarity, the new draft policy statement, the new draft policy statement

[0:51:05] Voice 6: I want to confirm. So, back in September, the draft policy statement, or a policy statement of some iteration, was provided to First Nations.

[0:51:17] Voice 6: I understand that they were provided funds to assist in their review of that. Is that correct?

[0:51:25] Voice 10: I believe so, yes.

[0:51:26] Voice 6: Okay. And so, I understand that it was provided not only to staff of the First Nations, but to elected officials. Is that correct?

[0:51:33] Voice 6: I'm

[0:51:34] Voice 10: not aware. I don't know either way, so I can't give you the correct answer.

[0:51:40] Voice 10: It certainly

[0:51:40] Voice 6: was provided to a number of First Nations.

[0:51:43] Voice 6: And from what I understand, there has been, you guys didn't see it,

[0:51:49] Voice 6: the elected officials that represent people who live on these islands

[0:51:53] Voice 6: didn't see it until a couple of weeks ago for the first time.

[0:51:57] Voice 6: Yes.

[0:51:58] Voice 6: Okay. And so I did see it, and I can't remember whether it was

[0:52:03] Voice 6: dc meeting agenda or whatever but i know that it's a comparison of a previous version that

[0:52:11] Voice 6: has been modified many times from the existing version and i would like to see a comparison

[0:52:18] Voice 6: comparison of what exists today and the new one so is it possible that you could ask staff of the

[0:52:25] Voice 6: honest trust to do that yeah i i recall last time that was requested and it wasn't delivered so

[0:52:33] Voice 6: one of the trustees on gabriel island keys landers did it on behalf of constituents of the island's

[0:52:42] Voice 6: cafeteria i don't think that's appropriate i'd like to see staff provide that so that when we

[0:52:48] Voice 6: view the new policy statement we can view it against what exists today and and because i'm

[0:52:56] Voice 6: a little upset because First Nations have been dealing with that for seven months and really the

[0:53:03] Voice 6: first opportunity we will have is in a committee of the whole so we've got 28 000 residents of the

[0:53:09] Voice 6: trust area that's effectively brand new to them and we have First Nations that have been intensive

[0:53:15] Voice 6: consultation with staff of the illness trust for seven months there's something that doesn't

[0:53:22] Voice 10: So basically what you'd like to see

[0:53:25] Voice 10: is what Keith did was basically what's existing today

[0:53:29] Voice 10: and what is proposed side by side. Okay, I will pass

[0:53:33] Voice 10: that on the room. So we have more hands come back to the gentleman in the back.

[0:53:37] Voice 3: Yeah, I want to address the charcoal pits

[0:53:41] Voice 3: that Priscilla, you mentioned. There is one up

[0:53:46] Voice 3: behind me, which is a fairly significant

[0:53:50] Voice 3: significant site and it's in good condition it's borders that will leave the property properly well

[0:53:56] Voice 3: and there's an evidently john money tells me there's another one on that same property

[0:54:06] Voice 3: up close to where the the fat checks put their house i haven't seen that but i've certainly

[0:54:14] Voice 3: seen the lower one and they've

[0:54:17] Voice 6: been there a long time

[0:54:18] Voice 3: and it will go exactly where we were put

[0:54:20] Voice 3: But it is something I think that needs attention.

[0:54:28] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:54:29] Voice 3: Mr. Holloway.

[0:54:30] Voice 6: It's Rob Holloway.

[0:54:31] Voice 6: If I could just second and endorse and applaud Paul.

[0:54:38] Voice 3: As a reader, I've tried to decipher the differences.

[0:54:43] Voice 3: And I'm sorry, I've just given up.

[0:54:45] Voice 3: I can't do it.

[0:54:46] Voice 3: And I'm

[0:54:47] Voice 6: a reasonably good reader.

[0:54:48] Voice 6: year um

[0:54:49] Voice 13: so

[0:54:50] Voice 6: if we could get what is and what's proposed side by side that would

[0:54:56] Voice 6: be just so

[0:54:57] Voice 6: helpful for people to be able to then in an informed way say you like you don't like

[0:55:03] Voice 6: whatever but please

[0:55:05] Voice 3: this would be a huge service yeah all right you know you're in your jelly so

[0:55:09] Voice 3: that's great

[0:55:09] Voice 17: you said that you wanted us to review it and to look at it and put a thoughtful comment

[0:55:15] Voice 17: comment on it. I find it so fragmented, and I don't know what the purpose is for the changes, and I don't know what Jonathan said, and that is a lot for me to ask, so I

[0:55:25] Voice 13: don't know what it means.

[0:55:27] Voice 13: I

[0:55:27] Voice 10: know in the last iteration, what Trustee Langeris did, it really helped clarify things a lot, so I can relate, and I will definitely pass it on, and hopefully we can do what we can do.

[0:55:42] Voice 10: I

[0:55:43] Voice 6: just want to comment, I did go to the website, I did attempt, and I did fail in understanding what was coming forward, because it was a big moment, and A, the start, and B, where we're at, I love this show.

[0:56:03] Voice 10: Excellent, thank you very much.

[0:56:04] Voice 10: there's

[0:56:04] Voice 17: some explanation of why i mean why would you take the preserve and

[0:56:08] Voice 17: trust protect mandate and i mean that's a statement of purpose if the goal is invaluable

[0:56:20] Voice 17: so

[0:56:23] Voice 10: anybody else for the town hall um okay so we can move on from there thank you very much

[0:56:31] Voice 10: um so we don't have a community in french meeting we do not have a public hearing

[0:56:35] Voice 10: hearing. We have the minutes to consider. We have local trust committee minutes dated

[0:56:40] Voice 10: March 26, 2024 for adoption. Anything from those? So by consent we can adopt those? Okay.

[0:56:50] Voice 10: We have local trust committee public hearing record dated March 26 for receipt. And we

[0:56:57] Voice 10: have section 26 resolution meeting report dated May 2024. Those are all straightforward?

[0:57:04] Voice 10: Yes.

[0:57:07] Voice 10: All right. So we move on to the follow-up action list. This page is 13 to 15. Is there anything to highlight, Platter-Smith?

[0:57:17] Voice 10: They're all completed.

[0:57:19] Voice 10: Well, that's a highlight.

[0:57:24] Voice 4: Yeah,

[0:57:27] Voice 15: I was quite chocked. I went through and saw completed, completed. Maybe you should put that at the end.

[0:57:32] Voice 16: And

[0:57:32] Voice 15: I was

[0:57:34] Voice 13: kind of in

[0:57:34] Voice 15: doubt as to whether the completed had been copied and pasted until I got to there.

[0:57:40] Voice 15: You're really that good.

[0:57:41] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:57:42] Voice 10: We like that.

[0:57:44] Voice 10: All right.

[0:57:44] Voice 10: So from there, we have a delegation today.

[0:57:48] Voice 10: We have Mr. Alloway from the Sturgeon Island Residents and Rescues Association, a proposal to update two bylaws.

[0:57:55] Voice 6: Your answer.

[0:57:58] Voice 6: Well, first of all, thank you.

[0:58:11] Voice 6: I want to spend five minutes explaining the one idea that we think is worthy of consideration

[0:58:18] Voice 6: and we're going to change the detail in the last five minutes.

[0:58:32] Voice 6: First of all, dealing with secondary suites.

[0:58:37] Voice 6: I went through a very robust conversation in the 2018-2019 era on secondary suites.

[0:58:47] Voice 6: It would have been a good option for different kinds of housing, different price points, different styles of accommodation.

[0:58:55] Voice 6: It was approved. It was very carefully documented in the Bylaw 119.

[0:59:02] Voice 6: And so it was good intentions all around.

[0:59:05] Voice 6: 28 people attended the first meeting, your name, John, was thumbed up in it, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:59:12] Voice 6: Buried, though, in the final by-law is a Schedule E, which it said, okay, secondary suites are a good idea.

[0:59:22] Voice 6: However, there's an area here, everything that's hashed out, which is about 95, about 80% of our available ruling lots is prohibited.

[0:59:34] Voice 6: So the secondary suites were ruled out to protect the area identified as having water

[0:59:45] Voice 6: to hide aquifer vulnerability.

[0:59:48] Voice 6: So it was a water region.

[0:59:50] Voice 6: Um, the only area that actually effectively permitted it was the mile marker booth from

[0:59:58] Voice 6: Waterloo and the property.

[1:00:00] Voice 6: that are connected to the well harbor group called waters in which frankly never contemplated that

[1:00:08] Voice 6: amount of pressure suddenly

[1:00:09] Voice 3: being put upon and allowed that that would be the area where

[1:00:12] Voice 3: secondaries were just fine they were all under the crd regulations 3.1

[1:00:18] Voice 3: nobody anticipated

[1:00:24] Voice 6: steward just simply looked at this and said it's a

[1:00:26] Voice 6: what we respond to some housing we'll

[1:00:29] Voice 3: take the housing problem as

[1:00:30] Voice 6: red um you know all this

[1:00:32] Voice 6: complexity well wait a minute water catchment is coming of age it has come

[1:00:41] Voice 6: we've got some water catchment regulations around each point following for about 21 000 liters

[1:00:49] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:00:50] Voice 6: Great.

[1:00:52] Voice 6: So let's just simply sidestep the whole discussion about whether we've got aquifer vulnerability

[1:00:57] Voice 6: or whatever.

[1:00:59] Voice 6: Let's just put that conversation to one side and say, could we allow secondary suites,

[1:01:06] Voice 3: which are approved, but have been deemed in the interest of DLM,

[1:01:10] Voice 6: provided that they put

[1:01:14] Voice 6: put in the same kind of water catching system

[1:01:16] Voice 6: and at the same volume

[1:01:17] Voice 6: as is currently required here.

[1:01:20] Voice 6: So the suggestion from CIRA is change the by-law

[1:01:24] Voice 6: and say, yes, you've got a restricted area,

[1:01:26] Voice 6: but provided that you put in 21,000.

[1:01:30] Voice 6: We're

[1:01:30] Voice 3: saying 21,000, but that's already

[1:01:31] Voice 6: in our by-laws.

[1:01:33] Voice 6: So they said, okay, put some water catching it in,

[1:01:36] Voice 6: and we will then consider an application for a site.

[1:01:39] Voice 6: It's currently,

[1:01:42] Voice 6: We sort of give the thumbs up on the secondary piece, but effectively we have by and large

[1:01:49] Voice 6: shut it out.

[1:01:51] Voice 6: So that is suggestion number one.

[1:01:54] Voice 6: Suggestion number two has to do with the designation of land used for multiple family residential.

[1:02:01] Voice 6: And it's designation, it's a duplex, triplex, fourplex, is being pushed hard.

[1:02:19] Voice 3: We

[1:02:21] Voice 6: currently have one very, very tiny parcel of land that is designated MFR, it's the,

[1:02:31] Voice 6: I believe it's called Care Record.

[1:02:33] Voice 6: court um and the thing at the time for whatever i mean it's it's good people come together best

[1:02:41] Voice 6: wisdom at the time there's a restriction in our bylaws that says the only use for multiple family

[1:02:48] Voice 6: residential is for affordable senior for especially housing and so it effectively has shut down

[1:02:55] Voice 6: any private private initiatives that would allow the aggregate the aggregation of of smaller units

[1:03:03] Voice 6: built on a common piece of property, you can do the math, you're prorating the cost of

[1:03:10] Voice 6: property, the cost of driveway, the cost of septic, the cost of everything.

[1:03:16] Voice 6: Ironically, the original vision of what constituted, I'm going to call it urban-rural sprawl,

[1:03:25] Voice 6: which is part of Saturn's DNA, is that we want a certain look and feel, was the sort

[1:03:33] Voice 6: of let's spread out how.

[1:03:34] Voice 6: It's almost full circle. By the time you have put in your driveways, put in your fire, cut down trees with a fire apron, you've got your driveway wide enough for your vehicles, your septic, etc.

[1:03:51] Voice 6: You actually can design buildings that would be presumably lower cost to the end user, if they're going to be purchased,

[1:04:01] Voice 6: but also would have the effect of being able to say take a 20 acre parcel in which you can divide

[1:04:08] Voice 6: and get four and get four lots and four houses to be able to congregate the building and keep

[1:04:18] Voice 6: the remaining say 15 acres as a natural land so the end result ironically is actually we can get

[1:04:28] Voice 6: property that's looking their island is looking more the way we wanted it to look than currently

[1:04:35] Voice 6: so our request is simply that we remove the affordable senior for special needs

[1:04:39] Voice 6: how they're restricted wording and we at least begin a conversation that said what would

[1:04:45] Voice 6: what would local families not look like on our island currently if not even conversation

[1:04:50] Voice 6: that's my first thought why is this important um we're a wonderfully peculiar island in terms of

[1:05:02] Voice 6: democrats um the democrats actually if you look at them they're pretty sober first i think the

[1:05:12] Voice 6: single biggest one is that we have um our mean age at the time of the 63 um that's that's the

[1:05:22] Voice 6: The middle point, the perennial average is 43.

[1:05:26] Voice 6: The SGI average is only .

[1:05:32] Voice 6: There's an aging population of our 450 people.

[1:05:37] Voice 6: 110 of them are living by themselves.

[1:05:41] Voice 6: There's about 400, so the implications

[1:05:44] Voice 6: as to what kind of options people have

[1:05:48] Voice 6: as they want to stay on the island

[1:05:50] Voice 6: are actually quite limited if they are not prepared

[1:05:54] Voice 6: or able to sort of deal with the ongoing challenges of single-family house, property, the whole

[1:06:03] Voice 6: thing. There's no other housing options that can currently be built that easily. And they're

[1:06:10] Voice 6: also very awkward to get housing for service providers of any kind, let alone young families,

[1:06:18] Voice 6: who would be able to come on the island and increase the service levels as people want

[1:06:24] Voice 6: um we've got two situations here one was i think uh simrace uh couldn't find housing for their

[1:06:31] Voice 6: students um short jim summer that was a secondary that was a secondary so we could shoot um the

[1:06:38] Voice 6: other one i believe was a part-time nutrition

[1:06:41] Voice 3: practitioner um that hit facebook and said hey

[1:06:47] Voice 3: can't do it then was the housing issue not a public health issue um the

[1:06:52] Voice 6: the other thing the

[1:06:53] Voice 6: The other demographic that I think is so important is that among homeownership, so we've got 450 houses on this project, half of them are CZs.

[1:07:05] Voice 6: You're really talking about, I call it two, 220, 250, somewhere in that range, but there are four, four-time, four-time houses.

[1:07:15] Voice 6: Homeownership between, in the 25 to 40-year-old, that's the next generation, is 6%.

[1:07:24] Voice 6: um the average in bc is 16. so we're about a third um sort of underweighted in terms of what

[1:07:32] Voice 6: young people the number of young

[1:07:34] Voice 6: people should be able to call relative to the bc norms and bc as a

[1:07:41] Voice 6: whole has said this thing is a problem they want their own numbers which every time this is this

[1:07:45] Voice 6: is too low there should be price points available for younger families to be able to purchase their

[1:07:52] Voice 6: own their own accommodation the other reason we think this is this is these are important

[1:08:00] Voice 6: conversations to have our chairman spoke to a density cap referring to this currency and i'm

[1:08:10] Voice 6: going to be an official plan and it wasn't not if you were so you were one of the authors there's

[1:08:14] Voice 6: other authors in this room it was a very it was a good plan and i remember numbers we we have

[1:08:23] Voice 6: But we have currently only available beds that are yet to be

[1:08:31] Voice 3: converted rooftops.

[1:08:35] Voice 6: And

[1:08:37] Voice 3: then we're done.

[1:08:39] Voice 6: If we don't change the regulatory landscape and start to free our residents up to get some more other kinds of housing available,

[1:08:52] Voice 6: we're simply going to build the island out, basically one house down the lot.

[1:08:57] Voice 6: We'll consume 135 dead trees. That's the end of it.

[1:09:00] Voice 6: and we

[1:09:01] Voice 1: as an island are going to be running out of creative

[1:09:04] Voice 6: at that point

[1:09:06] Voice 6: I think I can say

[1:09:10] Voice 6: wish we'd done it differently. Anyway, those are the

[1:09:15] Voice 6: two conversation points

[1:09:18] Voice 6: this is the beginning I think of an island wide conversation

[1:09:23] Voice 6: Sarah just simply flagged these two and said hey

[1:09:27] Voice 6: different style of holiday is a great concept in principle it makes sense

[1:09:32] Voice 6: but we discovered that there were these two sticking points in the bylaws

[1:09:36] Voice 12: and we simply come forward and said key changes as well

[1:10:52] Voice 12: to accommodate some

[1:10:53] Voice 9: of the changes in the bylaws.

[1:10:55] Voice 12: That was the

[1:10:56] Voice 2: point that is slightly more complicated.

[1:11:01] Voice 10: Thank you, Pettersman.

[1:11:03] Voice 10: No,

[1:11:04] Voice 15: I think it's a good idea to have the conversation at least

[1:11:09] Voice 15: and um i think you're right that there is a in further on in the agenda there is the beginning

[1:11:17] Voice 15: of a minor project to look at this context and what would need to happen so thanks for that brad

[1:11:26] Voice 15: and we look at that shortly and thanks very much rob for bringing this up and i do like to have

[1:11:31] Voice 15: maps on the wall i think maps on the wall are a great idea yeah sure

[1:11:38] Voice 6: so if it folks if you have

[1:11:41] Voice 6: time um this is a third map that we produced and um it illustrates it's got every law on it

[1:12:02] Voice 6: it's just great the good news is this corridor in the entire gulf island we've got seven square

[1:12:10] Voice 6: where over 60% of our island is protected.

[1:12:15] Voice 6: Visually, it's just also

[1:12:19] Voice 3: a point of the limitations

[1:12:21] Voice 3: of not being very careful in terms of how it happens.

[1:12:36] Voice 10: Thank you, Mr. Alloy, sir.

[1:12:39] Voice 6: I would, it's a good point.

[1:12:44] Voice 6: And we ought to, in Jewish, I think, at my age,

[1:12:52] Voice 6: I can understand the demographics of getting older.

[1:12:55] Voice 1: And as such,

[1:12:57] Voice 6: I would love to have some,

[1:12:59] Voice 6: And that is now

[1:13:04] Voice 6: going to the younger people and me, especially for our emergency service.

[1:13:15] Voice 10: So I believe, for your firewood, it's Mr. Brandt, the person to get a hold of.

[1:13:20] Voice 10: Miss Eubanks.

[1:13:22] Voice 17: There's no F on that.

[1:13:23] Voice 10: Oh.

[1:13:24] Voice 17: Miss?

[1:13:26] Voice 17: Miss?

[1:13:29] Voice 17: Missing.

[1:13:30] Voice 8: Missing.

[1:13:40] Voice 17: But first off, I am willing to have this discussion.

[1:13:44] Voice 17: I'm not going to employ or utilize the trust of the community has that

[1:13:50] Voice 17: discussion of want to change any of these bylaws or

[1:13:57] Voice 17: Get ourselves

[1:13:58] Voice 17: Deeply down that road until the community has had a fairly discussion of your viewpoint and serious

[1:14:05] Voice 17: I'm fine. So there's a couple of things that I think are interesting. There's 220 seasonal. I like the research

[1:14:11] Voice 17: I think that's 20 seasonal

[1:14:16] Voice 17: houses, we don't

[1:14:18] Voice 17: rarely ever put secondary housing in those. You're talking about a certain kind of housing that comes up with secondary suites involving a

[1:14:27] Voice 17: certain, you know, group of people.

[1:14:30] Voice 17: Most of those people, myself included, are going to drop dead within the next ten years.

[1:14:35] Voice 17: That's going to put a lot of houses,

[1:14:36] Voice 17: we're pretty much the largest in the world, put a lot of houses on the market and a lot of those houses

[1:14:43] Voice 17: Mine is not. Mine's sort of in the $450,000 range, $500,000 range, which are going to be quite affordable to people who come.

[1:14:56] Voice 17: If you want to enlarge the multiple family residence, then go ahead and do it.

[1:15:04] Voice 17: We've talked about that on a quarter going down, and where would we put that?

[1:15:08] Voice 17: I mean, how much of that do you want?

[1:15:10] Voice 17: The thing I hear the most is what John Hutchinson has said,

[1:15:14] Voice 17: I don't have anybody to clean my giant windows.

[1:15:16] Voice 17: And that's my biggest problem and the fire department.

[1:15:19] Voice 17: But we seem to have a steady group of people

[1:15:21] Voice 17: who are coming, young people.

[1:15:24] Voice 17: So you kind of have to, while it's extremely popular now

[1:15:28] Voice 17: to look at housing like that,

[1:15:33] Voice 17: what most people say when they come is how beautiful it is.

[1:15:38] Voice 17: There's most driving factor.

[1:15:41] Voice 17: I would like to say and point out as I have before,

[1:15:43] Voice 17: My water system is going down. One of the reasons why we bought the land was because it had a large body of water in it.

[1:15:53] Voice 17: And I see that going down, down, down. So when you catch, when you do water catchment, you're actually starving.

[1:16:00] Voice 17: No water, I think, in many cases. And I'd like more information on that. That's a yes on my part, but I'm interested in it.

[1:16:10] Voice 17: so i want to say in the

[1:16:11] Voice 17: last two or three years the water my water has been dropping and i am

[1:16:17] Voice 17: at the headwaters of one of the creeks that can slide on harbor so be careful around that is my

[1:16:25] Voice 17: my call temperatures are changing so i

[1:16:28] Voice 1: don't think you

[1:16:29] Voice 17: can look at what we're having now and

[1:16:31] Voice 17: consider that we're going to get that same amount of rainfall if you're interested in utilizing that

[1:16:35] Voice 17: that um i think density cap is a really good idea i am really happy to have much land to do in part

[1:16:45] Voice 17: i think that gives us the gift of what the trust asked about to preserve and protect for the people

[1:16:54] Voice 17: the local people and not too many communities have been able to remain as integrated

[1:17:02] Voice 17: degraded and our photochrome community was rich in natural diversity. So please I would welcome

[1:17:11] Voice 17: these discussions but I don't want to

[1:17:16] Voice 12: start an island thrust density cap. It's worth pointing

[1:17:33] Voice 12: out that

[1:17:33] Voice 15: the cap that was originally in the OCP lost 150 densities to Parks Canada. So 150

[1:17:39] Voice 15: densities below what the original Fisher Community Plan

[1:17:42] Voice 12: envisaged, good news in the system, and we

[1:17:52] Voice 12: do all

[1:17:53] Voice 15: the water that everybody catches ultimately goes into the ground via sewage or irrigation or

[1:17:58] Voice 15: whatever so all you do is delay it you don't actually capture it and put it somewhere else so

[1:18:05] Voice 15: whether it goes straight into the ground or via water catchment given it's like we have no water

[1:18:11] Voice 15: systems sewage systems here that takes it away to a processing plant everything goes back into

[1:18:16] Voice 15: the ground so it's a delay rather than a diversion um and yeah i would say that what has been

[1:18:26] Voice 15: proposed here and is scoped out in the minor projects it's the beginning of a process which

[1:18:37] Voice 15: will like nobody is proposing to change this right now it's an idea which is for discussion

[1:18:43] Voice 15: the only way to make it happen is to put it forward as a minor project and to start that conversation.

[1:18:50] Voice 15: So that's the stage we're at right now.

[1:18:53] Voice 15: And yeah, I'll leave it at that.

[1:18:56] Voice 15: Thank you, Dr. Bowman.

[1:18:58] Voice 11: I think also the discussion is always good, sharing ideas and having a back and forth at the community level.

[1:19:06] Voice 11: and i think we can perhaps get into that without having to do a special form on housing because the

[1:19:13] Voice 11: policy statement really speaks to what is the vision of the audience what what what do you want

[1:19:21] Voice 11: to have guide the islands trust for the next you know it's like 50 years but there's no there's no

[1:19:27] Voice 11: rule and so we will have obviously a group we will facilitate a discussion around the new policy

[1:19:35] Voice 11: statement and it's an opportunity for people to basically discuss these issues

[1:19:39] Voice 11: exactly as you said and kind of like see what what other people are thinking what

[1:19:44] Voice 11: they want to promote to be in the policy statement what they don't like what they

[1:19:47] Voice 11: think is missing and so I think that conversation fits in very well there so

[1:19:52] Voice 11: we will we will have that by I don't know what

[1:19:55] Voice 11: the date would be but I would

[1:19:56] Voice 11: suspect by September fits in with the policy statement review project and

[1:20:05] Voice 11: And if we can make a special session, we could do what we've done in the past on a Saturday and have food and stuff like that.

[1:20:12] Voice 11: I think it's probably a good idea.

[1:20:15] Voice 15: Cake.

[1:20:16] Voice 11: Yes, we cake.

[1:20:17] Voice 11: Cake.

[1:20:19] Voice 11: I

[1:20:21] Voice 6: just want to lend my total 100% support to what Bob is suggesting.

[1:20:25] Voice 6: I think anyone that's read anything that I have written in the last 15 years

[1:20:31] Voice 6: on housing and the need for it in our islands

[1:20:34] Voice 6: and the need to have a healthy demographic would know I'm 100% supportive of this.

[1:20:39] Voice 6: We're principally single-family homes.

[1:20:42] Voice 6: It's really not the way to go.

[1:20:43] Voice 6: We need a little bit of mix-up around here.

[1:20:46] Voice 6: We need better demographics.

[1:20:48] Voice 6: It just makes good planning sense.

[1:20:51] Voice 6: Thanks.

[1:20:52] Voice 10: Thank you, Director.

[1:20:52] Voice 10: All right.

[1:20:53] Voice 10: All right. So we'll just move on. Next up, we have SARZ 2023.2,

[1:21:02] Voice 10: thigh check, proposed bylaws 140 and 141, post-public hearing staff report.

[1:21:10] Voice 10: The important thing is that we're post-public hearing,

[1:21:13] Voice 10: so we're not to receive any additional information.

[1:21:17] Voice 10: We're basically in a decision-making mode.

[1:21:20] Voice 10: So I'll pass this over to Planner Smith for overview.

[1:21:26] Voice 9: So the Local Trust Committee held a public hearing at their last regular meeting, and after that hearing, the staff report was

[1:21:34] Voice 4: presented then, and the Local Trust Committee decided to defer that

[1:21:38] Voice 4: report until today to give further time

[1:21:41] Voice 18: to consider the information.

[1:21:43] Voice 18: Could you speak with that?

[1:21:44] Voice 13: Sorry,

[1:21:44] Voice 2: LTC decided

[1:21:47] Voice 12: to defer the application to take more time and consider the information

[1:21:55] Voice 12: to the public hearing, and so now staff are bringing this application

[1:22:02] Voice 6: back to the local

[1:22:03] Voice 6: trust committee, 141,

[1:22:05] Voice 2: and also passing their recommendations to send those bylaws to executive

[1:22:12] Voice 2: committee for approval, and then because bylaw 140 is an OCP

[1:22:16] Voice 4: amendment, it will also require

[1:22:18] Voice 4: So,

[1:22:21] Voice 12: I don't think, like adjustment to the wording of the bylaw,

[1:23:26] Voice 11: but not affecting the

[1:23:28] Voice 11: intent of the bylaw, so therefore preserving the integrity of the public hearing process

[1:23:34] Voice 11: and allow the bylaws to be, shall we say, slightly modified and what I'm getting at

[1:23:40] Voice 11: is I think what I took, and I think this is the appropriate time to bring this up is that

[1:23:45] Voice 11: that there was a concern raised about additional building

[1:23:50] Voice 11: on one of the lots that might adversely affect a wetland

[1:23:54] Voice 11: that isn't otherwise protected.

[1:23:56] Voice 11: And then second,

[1:23:57] Voice 11: that we heard about the principal and the OCP

[1:23:59] Voice 11: that basically afforded, shall we say,

[1:24:07] Voice 11: any equality of treatment for property owners

[1:24:12] Voice 11: versus the designation that their land has,

[1:24:14] Voice 11: such that we have a home and we have a college destination and so what I did is

[1:24:19] Voice 11: I spoke to the applicants as well as the some of the individuals who provided

[1:24:24] Voice 11: input and I would suggest that we make a simple amendment that preserves the

[1:24:33] Voice 11: square footage or the footprint or whatever working and I know I asked

[1:24:38] Voice 11: uh plans to kind of come up with some um you know legally sound and viable wording that basically

[1:24:46] Voice 11: says that the the footprint of what is currently the cottage of the law is preserved and by what

[1:24:54] Voice 11: that means is that nobody would then demolish that building to build a new building in the wetland

[1:25:01] Voice 11: because that would make no sense you would not be able to exceed the square footage you already have

[1:25:05] Voice 11: And so effectively that kind of creates a status quo with the building as it currently is.

[1:25:15] Voice 11: My understanding is the applicants have no intent of restructuring their building or demolishing their building or rebuilding.

[1:25:22] Voice 11: And so my my understanding generally, it is a compromise, shall we say,

[1:25:29] Voice 11: in the wording that allows largely the intent of the applicants, or I almost argue fully,

[1:25:36] Voice 11: the intent of the applicants to proceed through the bylaw, while also addressing some of the

[1:25:44] Voice 11: concerns that, you know, I think if we legitimately ask people to give us their concerns, we're

[1:25:50] Voice 11: obviously obligated to listen and balance them.

[1:25:52] Voice 11: So I don't know if it's the time, Planner Smith, for me to ask for that additional modified

[1:25:58] Voice 11: modified warning or

[1:25:59] Voice 11: you want Chair to listen

[1:26:02] Voice 11: to further conversation.

[1:26:04] Voice 11: Well,

[1:26:05] Voice 10: I think if Trustee

[1:26:06] Voice 10: Bowen has anything to add,

[1:26:07] Voice 10: and then of course then we move on to the motion part.

[1:26:10] Voice 10: So, do you have anything?

[1:26:12] Voice 15: Yeah, no, I support this.

[1:26:14] Voice 15: I think it's a reasonable

[1:26:16] Voice 15: way forward. It

[1:26:18] Voice 15: preserves the

[1:26:21] Voice 15: current situation

[1:26:22] Voice 15: without creating

[1:26:24] Voice 15: a situation that might have

[1:26:27] Voice 15: other consequences.

[1:26:29] Voice 15: So, yeah, I'm good with this, yeah.

[1:26:33] Voice 11: So, may I ask you to?

[1:26:35] Voice 11: So,

[1:26:35] Voice 4: you did provide,

[1:26:37] Voice 4: I did send you the two resolutions.

[1:26:40] Voice 4: Yes.

[1:26:40] Voice 4: So, you could read out and seek to get,

[1:26:44] Voice 4: so, I

[1:26:45] Voice 6: could read them, and Carly already has them.

[1:26:49] Voice 11: If you don't mind, I'm not sure if this connects.

[1:26:53] Voice 11: That's

[1:26:53] Voice 4: why I was coming in.

[1:26:54] Voice 4: So, I can read the first one.

[1:26:55] Voice 4: So you're essentially wanting to amend the bylaw 141 to restrict the floor area to the maximum size of 92.9 meters squared, which is

[1:27:12] Voice 2: consistent with your coverage maximum.

[1:27:13] Voice 2: And so the resolution is that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee By-law No. 141

[1:27:22] Voice 2: cited in the Saturna Island Land Use By-law No. 119, 2018, Amendment No.

[1:27:27] Voice 4: 2, 2023, be amended

[1:27:30] Voice 4: to restrict the floor area of

[1:27:31] Voice 6: the residence located at

[1:27:33] Voice 4: 100 Payne

[1:27:34] Voice 6: Road to a maximum of

[1:27:35] Voice 6: 92.98 square.

[1:27:39] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:27:46] Voice 11: Yeah, so I, just a procedural question, and Chair, I guess we would, how would we note

[1:27:52] Voice 11: that amendment to have it recommend to...

[1:27:55] Voice 2: So, as, and then your second resolution was that the Local Trust Committee, by the

[1:28:04] Voice 2: way, read it a third time as amended, and then those

[1:28:07] Voice 2: amendments are adopted for our

[1:28:10] Voice 2: which clerk and i

[1:28:11] Voice 4: will send them to her they include uh the inclusion of that provision

[1:28:16] Voice 4: and they

[1:28:18] Voice 6: uh renumbered the other provisions and they've also given a couple minor uh

[1:28:23] Voice 6: hectors was spelled out in seven acres a few times so there's a couple other minor corrections

[1:28:30] Voice 6: so the

[1:28:32] Voice 10: the initial motion have you said that to carly did she she has both okay

[1:28:36] Voice 4: perfect yeah

[1:28:37] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:28:37] Voice 10: perfect. So we don't have to worry about.

[1:28:38] Voice 4: So, I think if you, let

[1:28:41] Voice 11: me just see if I get them here. So, we, because we would obviously need to make those more friends. I think

[1:28:47] Voice 18: you could just say, uh, make the motion as your.

[1:28:51] Voice 18: Okay, I

[1:28:51] Voice 18: don't need to read it.

[1:28:52] Voice 11: So this is obviously new to you guys. So

[1:28:56] Voice 10: obviously, so.

[1:28:58] Voice 10: To be clear, we can't take any new information. Are you question? Yeah. Yeah.

[1:29:48] Voice 7: Okay,

[1:29:48] Voice 10: so this is not going to be a free-for-all.

[1:29:50] Voice 10: If you have a question about the process or something,

[1:29:53] Voice 10: we're really restricted what we can hear.

[1:29:55] Voice 10: So gentlemen in the back and then in the front.

[1:29:57] Voice 13: Yeah.

[1:30:00] Voice 3: When their development took place up there in the wetland area,

[1:30:07] Voice 6: the creek ran in mud for probably four or five months in the bootcote.

[1:30:16] Voice 6: So

[1:30:16] Voice 3: any existing eelgrass beds in there probably would have been finished by that.

[1:30:22] Voice 3: And that's the problem.

[1:30:24] Voice 3: That's

[1:30:24] Voice 6: a huge watershed.

[1:30:25] Voice 6: that i have an engineer

[1:30:26] Voice 3: we walk that

[1:30:27] Voice 6: watershed it takes it all the way up from behind my three

[1:30:31] Voice 6: houses on

[1:30:31] Voice 3: that side of the mountain and into good control so thank you

[1:30:38] Voice 3: that's something to think

[1:30:39] Voice 3: about

[1:30:39] Voice 10: we're aware of this go ahead yeah we

[1:30:43] Voice 16: just have to live on that spot um i'm not concerned

[1:30:47] Voice 16: about uh putting anything out the weapon because i can't do it the only

[1:30:55] Voice 1: thing that i would like to

[1:30:57] Voice 16: Change is should in the future. I'm not talking about right now

[1:31:03] Voice 12: We shouldn't the future 10 15 years from now somebody won't you restricted them now

[1:31:13] Voice 12: They think so they

[1:31:14] Voice 16: can't add on to that house at all. The house itself is not a weapon and

[1:31:19] Voice 16: It's this just go back

[1:31:21] Voice 16: Is it speaking up happened in 2018 our house was built

[1:31:30] Voice 16: 2007 and it was due to a

[1:31:37] Voice 16: So I guess

[1:31:38] Voice 14: my concern is

[1:31:39] Voice 16: the lot is going to be a lot if we get permission from the Ministry of Transport.

[1:31:47] Voice 16: You are restricting anyone who may own the lot in the next 25, 30, 40, 50 years to not be able to expand should they have a family.

[1:31:59] Voice 10: And

[1:32:00] Voice 16: I don't think that's fair.

[1:32:03] Voice 18: So, yeah, we should be very careful about receiving new information.

[1:32:07] Voice 10: Hopefully you've already

[1:32:08] Voice 6: heard all of this.

[1:32:08] Voice 10: Yes, we've all heard this.

[1:32:10] Voice 18: A variance is a lot.

[1:32:12] Voice 10: Yeah, so we're going for it.

[1:32:16] Voice 17: It's Jean Morgan.

[1:32:17] Voice 17: I'd just like to make a comment.

[1:32:21] Voice 17: We listened to this at the last meeting.

[1:32:25] Voice 17: It came, the presentation, by NAL, saying they hadn't read the materials.

[1:32:39] Voice 17: Then we stopped the meeting, and everything got injured.

[1:32:44] Voice 17: I don't have patients for a lot of stuff, and one of the things I don't have patients for is things that have been resolved years ago.

[1:32:55] Voice 17: They were resolved, there was no legal issue, and now we're getting rehab.

[1:33:01] Voice 17: And I am, I think, being targeted, and it's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

[1:33:09] Voice 17: ridiculous. There still is the wetland, it still exists, all built on a floodplain,

[1:33:16] Voice 17: you change the water for it, it's done. So I just think there's a sweeping mess.

[1:33:23] Voice 17: It's all over with.

[1:33:24] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:33:25] Voice 11: All right. So trustees, what is your pleasure?

[1:33:31] Voice 11: Well, this is a new effective amendment. It's new to both of you, obviously you haven't

[1:33:39] Voice 11: heard it before so i think if you would like to comment i think that would be appropriate chair

[1:33:47] Voice 11: yeah

[1:33:47] Voice 15: so i feel that that just you know we're not supposed to receive new information we haven't

[1:33:56] Voice 15: received new information what we're receiving is actually a rehash of what's already been heard

[1:34:03] Voice 15: and we adjourned the last meeting so that we could read and consider all of that because it's arrived

[1:34:09] Voice 15: very shortly before the meetings so we recognized that it deserved attention and moving forward

[1:34:17] Voice 15: my view is that we agreed to this subdivision which we didn't have to do to accommodate people

[1:34:26] Voice 15: because it seemed reasonable and reasonable to me is that the division happens so that two people

[1:34:36] Voice 15: have two separate pieces they can deal with but the actual use of those two pieces is not changed

[1:34:42] Voice 15: so the restriction which existed with respect to the size of the lot what the size of the

[1:34:49] Voice 15: accommodation could be i support this amendment because it maintains that status quo while

[1:34:59] Voice 15: allowing the division into two parcels and so yeah that's where I sit right now

[1:35:07] Voice 15: yeah

[1:35:09] Voice 13: we're

[1:35:14] Voice 10: in deliberations now

[1:35:15] Voice 13: so we can't

[1:35:16] Voice 10: we we've

[1:35:17] Voice 11: we've heard thank you

[1:35:19] Voice 11: very much yeah my belief that what the goal of the applicants was to permit

[1:35:26] Voice 11: permit such session planning. And within the OCP, we have to be very, very careful to not

[1:35:35] Voice 11: be setting any type of precedent. And we also certainly have to be careful to not create

[1:35:40] Voice 11: a precedent through spot zoning. I believe we have accommodated the desire of the applicant

[1:35:47] Voice 11: while balancing the intent of the OCP through this amendment. I think this amendment creates

[1:35:54] Voice 11: creates a balance that maybe we didn't have with the original drafting to nobody's fault um the

[1:36:00] Voice 11: original drafting of the uh of the bylaws so i i don't i don't think the the bible as amended

[1:36:09] Voice 11: permits exactly what the initial request was which was the some potential subdivision of an otherwise

[1:36:19] Voice 11: non-subdivisible lot and the ability to basically sell and or pass through inheritance on something

[1:36:28] Voice 11: that otherwise would not have been able to happen.

[1:36:31] Voice 11: So I think that context needs to be borne strongly in mind in order to understand what

[1:36:37] Voice 11: the amendment here is intended.

[1:36:44] Voice 11: So that's my view.

[1:36:47] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:36:48] Voice 7: I support the amendment.

[1:36:51] Voice 10: All right.

[1:36:52] Voice 10: So do we have some wording?

[1:36:56] Voice 18: I think you could probably just pass a motion to .

[1:37:02] Voice 18: So if you

[1:37:04] Voice 6: could have .

[1:37:07] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:37:07] Voice 10: All right.

[1:37:11] Voice 18: And Carly does have both of the motions to Trustee Middleton.

[1:37:15] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:37:16] Voice 10: So, Carly, we're asking you if you could please read out the motion

[1:37:21] Voice 10: that you've been provided by Planner Smith so that we can.

[1:37:24] Voice 10: Sure.

[1:37:24] Voice 10: Move in seconds.

[1:37:25] Voice 1: Sure.

[1:37:25] Voice 1: So the motion is that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw Number 141, cited as

[1:37:31] Voice 1: Saturna Island Land Use Bylaw Number 141.

[1:37:34] Voice 1: If

[1:37:34] Voice 10: you're speaking, we're not hearing you.

[1:37:36] Voice 1: Oh.

[1:37:40] Voice 13: Can you hear

[1:37:41] Voice 1: me now at all?

[1:37:42] Voice 10: Oh, there we go.

[1:37:43] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:37:44] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:37:44] Voice 1: I'll try again.

[1:37:45] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:37:46] Voice 1: The motion is that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw Number 141, cited as

[1:37:51] Voice 1: saturn island land use bylaw number 119 2018 amendment number 2 2023 be amended to restrict

[1:37:59] Voice 1: the floor area of the residence located at 100 pain road to a maximum of 92.9 squared meters

[1:38:08] Voice 10: so does that move yeah i still move trustee moves second trustee bond we we

[1:38:14] Voice 10: yes we're doing

[1:38:17] Voice 10: motion so no

[1:38:18] Voice 16: i understand now the wording is incorrect it was the footprint it wasn't

[1:38:26] Voice 4: No, it's the floor area, which is how the

[1:38:29] Voice 2: bylaw defines your upper floor is calculated through floor area, and your lower floor, the bylaw, has a provision that it doesn't count as floor area.

[1:38:45] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:38:46] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[1:38:47] Voice 10: Let's move and second it.

[1:38:49] Voice 10: Any further discussion?

[1:38:51] Voice 10: All the questions, all in favor?

[1:38:53] Voice 10: That carries.

[1:38:54] Voice 10: variance so we have so so we're moving forward with now one two and three so you

[1:39:02] Voice 4: have a second

[1:39:02] Voice 4: motion that um giving it a clear reading and then you also have to give bylaw 140 EOCP event

[1:39:14] Voice 4: for a greeting and then following that you need to do

[1:39:18] Voice 2: the other two

[1:39:19] Voice 4: recommended resolutions of

[1:39:21] Voice 4: Of sending it to, so we're

[1:39:26] Voice 10: basically, we're following through now following

[1:39:28] Voice 2: through the 141 is slightly different to read. All right.

[1:39:37] Voice 11: So, this is, I believe the correct call, then that needs to turn on a local trust committee bylaw number 140.

[1:39:43] Voice 11: So, I did that to turn out on the official committee line by law number 72,000.

[1:39:48] Voice 11: Number 1, 2023, you read the 3rd time as amended.

[1:39:52] Voice 11: Is that correct? That's a minute amended

[1:39:54] Voice 2: is only for 141. 140 is the no amendment. Okay. Okay.

[1:39:59] Voice 11: Strike as amended

[1:40:01] Voice 10: from that motion.

[1:40:02] Voice 10: So, 2nd, trust people any discussion session.

[1:40:07] Voice 10: no okay call a question on favor that carries right and

[1:40:17] Voice 4: then now you use your 141 one

[1:40:20] Voice 11: so like okay i'll let the saturn island local trust committee by law number one for one

[1:40:27] Voice 11: site as saturn island land use bylaw number 119 2018 amendment number two 2023

[1:40:34] Voice 11: be read the third time as amended to trustee bone second

[1:40:38] Voice 10: any further discussion call the

[1:40:40] Voice 10: question all in favor that carries in

[1:40:43] Voice 6: your last two or three four of your staff okay

[1:40:46] Voice 11: go ahead go

[1:40:48] Voice 6: ahead but the stern

[1:40:49] Voice 11: island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 140 and number 141 should i

[1:40:54] Voice 11: say it has amended at that point or i

[1:40:57] Voice 13: think that's already

[1:40:58] Voice 11: okay be forwarded to the secretary of the

[1:41:01] Voice 11: alice trust or executive committee approval seconded second discussion call a question

[1:41:06] Voice 11: All in favor?

[1:41:07] Voice 11: That carries.

[1:41:08] Voice 11: And finally, that the Staten Island and Local Trust Committee propose by-law number 140

[1:41:12] Voice 11: be forwarded to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs for ministerial approval after executive

[1:41:17] Voice 11: committee approval.

[1:41:18] Voice 10: Seconded?

[1:41:19] Voice 10: Yes.

[1:41:20] Voice 10: Discussion?

[1:41:20] Voice 10: Call the question.

[1:41:21] Voice 10: All in favor?

[1:41:22] Voice 10: That carries.

[1:41:24] All right.

[1:41:25] Voice 10: Thank you, everybody.

[1:41:26] Voice 10: Sorry I had to be the bad cop.

[1:41:28] Voice 10: We have legal things that we have to be very careful about, so I think we ticked the boxes.

[1:41:33] Voice 10: so we'd

[1:41:35] Voice 15: have to go back to the beginning again yeah

[1:41:37] Voice 10: okay thank you everybody very much all right

[1:41:41] Voice 10: so moving on um we have the main island local trust committee referral draft file number 193

[1:41:49] Voice 10: that's your response so whether the the interests of saturn island are affected or not affected by

[1:41:56] Voice 10: that bylaw um what is your pleasure um it takes 39

[1:42:06] Voice 11: at the risk of being full my trusty um i i

[1:42:16] Voice 11: would say that i would uh move with our motion unaffected by by this bylaw okay so seconded

[1:42:24] Voice 15: sorry say that again they

[1:42:25] Voice 11: are certain that not that much our interests are unaffected by this

[1:42:28] Voice 11: oh

[1:42:29] Voice 15: yes sorry main island sorry i

[1:42:32] Voice 15: was trying to find yeah

[1:42:34] Voice 8: friendly things yeah

[1:42:35] Voice 15: i did try to go

[1:42:37] Voice 15: through it

[1:42:38] Voice 13: in great detail

[1:42:42] Voice 10: there's a lot bundled in there but i think it's all

[1:42:45] Voice 10: very straightforward so

[1:42:47] Voice 15: long as none of the setbacks result in people turning up on saturn

[1:42:55] Voice 10: I think that's the highlight.

[1:42:56] Voice 10: Little things like in the previous bylaw,

[1:42:59] Voice 10: we were very specific about animals.

[1:43:01] Voice 10: The list of like, this is what it is.

[1:43:04] Voice 10: And so we've changed that to livestock.

[1:43:06] Voice 10: Like it is, and that's certainly because somebody turned up

[1:43:10] Voice 10: with a pork belly pig, which was

[1:43:13] Voice 11: not defined in the bylaws.

[1:43:16] Voice 11: What about the setback provisions?

[1:43:18] Voice 11: Anything you want to say about that?

[1:43:21] Voice 11: Remind me what setback position was.

[1:43:23] Voice 11: Oh, it just references it and it doesn't actually say what.

[1:43:28] Voice 10: I'm supposed to know these things.

[1:43:30] Voice 10: You're becoming very unpopular.

[1:43:33] Voice 10: Setback

[1:43:33] Voice 6: from the city and limiting...

[1:43:37] Voice 10: Oh, yeah.

[1:43:38] Voice 10: So we had this interesting anomaly on Main Island.

[1:43:44] Voice 10: Again, because it wasn't specifically permitted,

[1:43:47] Voice 10: permitted, if you build a patio out of wood within the setback to sea, that was not legal.

[1:43:53] Voice 10: But if you poured concrete or asphalt, you could pave right up to the line of the ocean.

[1:44:01] Voice 10: There was no setbacks for those things. So what we did, the setback to sea, we removed

[1:44:06] Voice 10: asphalt and concrete, those hard type of impervious services that are not permitted. But we've

[1:44:12] Voice 10: said I believe that the limit is 300 square feet that you can have a wooden

[1:44:17] Voice 10: deck because it's more of a friendly material that is less invasive into the

[1:44:24] Voice 10: landscape that's thank you for reminding me all right so move seconded call

[1:44:34] Voice 10: question all in favor that carries thank you very much the people of Maine

[1:44:39] Voice 10: island will be pleased i hope um so we have a submission update for s-a-l-r dot 2023.1 mr hall

[1:44:49] Voice 10: uh planer smith the

[1:44:50] Voice 9: applications are both submitted to the agricultural land commission

[1:44:53] Voice 9: and emily is just finalizing payment to the alc for the 750 dollar portion that we as the local

[1:45:00] Voice 9: government need today and uh the last step for us in

[1:45:04] Voice 4: that will be to then close on mr hall's

[1:45:07] Voice 4: cost recovery agreements which covers that fee as well as the cost of the public hearing and

[1:45:13] Voice 4: notification and there's one thing more for staff by the ltc to do and

[1:45:17] Voice 2: so the nlc contacts

[1:45:20] Voice 2: us are there i

[1:45:22] Voice 18: guess with questions as

[1:45:23] Voice 4: they review the

[1:45:23] Voice 2: proposal uh and at some point they

[1:45:26] Voice 2: will schedule an exclusion meeting which is required as part of the process so i do understand

[1:45:31] Voice 2: been that the ALC is suffering staff shortages, and so it may take some time to see the light

[1:45:39] Voice 2: of day.

[1:45:40] Voice 15: Do they have a live portal where you can see progress?

[1:45:45] Voice 15: There we go.

[1:45:46] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:45:46] Voice 15: Send it over to the portal at the end of the day.

[1:45:49] Voice 15: Okay, that would be great.

[1:45:50] Voice 15: And thanks for that.

[1:45:52] Voice 15: And I think the dates, et cetera, are all in the follow-up action list, aren't they?

[1:45:58] Voice 15: the specifics around when things were

[1:46:03] Voice 15: submitted etc, just before the record and when you go to look at it

[1:46:07] Voice 15: I think it's there

[1:46:10] Voice 15: what date, what happened

[1:46:11] Voice 15: I think it's just a handy reference

[1:46:16] Voice 15: the specifics of it

[1:46:23] Voice 15: remind me

[1:46:26] Voice 15: the inclusion, was it the inclusion that came back to us?

[1:46:31] Voice 15: We didn't make the application, but it came back to us.

[1:46:34] Voice 15: Yeah,

[1:46:35] Voice 4: so the process with the ALC is that the applicant

[1:46:38] Voice 4: or the property owner submits the inclusion portion

[1:46:41] Voice 4: through the ALC portal, and then it's directed

[1:46:44] Voice 4: through that portal to the local emergency staff,

[1:46:49] Voice 4: and then we submit the local government report,

[1:46:52] Voice 4: report

[1:46:53] Voice 2: just as we did for

[1:46:54] Voice 6: the exclusion and that is

[1:46:57] Voice 6: what triggered that subsequent resolution

[1:47:00] Voice 6: that so you had no other comments on yeah

[1:47:03] Voice 15: i remember that yeah thank you thanks thank you

[1:47:06] Voice 10: very much all right so now we have cisterna island local trust me drafts fee by law number 142

[1:47:14] Voice 10: two, staff report consideration for adoption.

[1:47:16] Voice 10: That's page 31.

[1:47:20] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:47:20] Voice 15: So can I just ask a question here?

[1:47:24] Voice 15: Is this bylaw and the form, the details,

[1:47:29] Voice 15: exactly the same as for every other island?

[1:47:33] Voice 18: Yes.

[1:47:34] Voice 18: I think some island might have a slightly different option

[1:47:38] Voice 6: for temporary use permits,

[1:47:40] Voice 18: but

[1:47:41] Voice 6: otherwise it follows the model of the source by trust council.

[1:47:46] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:47:47] Voice 15: I just wanted to make sure that nothing had snuck in.

[1:47:54] Voice 10: So our director, Brent, wishes to make a comment.

[1:47:59] Voice 6: I'm just wondering, it's just something that kind of crossed my mind,

[1:48:04] Voice 6: what we have to deal with at CRD.

[1:48:07] Voice 6: They talk about the estimated costs as the basis around the tables.

[1:48:14] Voice 6: and it refers to newspaper advertising for one community meeting one newspaper

[1:48:21] Voice 6: person so that's generally speaking for us the driftwood I know that the CRE has

[1:48:27] Voice 6: followed changes in the local government act that allows for different types of

[1:48:34] Voice 6: provisions is much much cheaper so we have our water services where we use

[1:48:39] Voice 6: With 40 people, it's 17 people we have to advertise in the Drift Worker Corp.

[1:48:45] Voice 6: Now we can actually deliver it, but the costs are in fractions.

[1:48:49] Voice 6: So

[1:48:50] Voice 3: I know that we have changes to the

[1:48:52] Voice 6: Local Government Act, and yet you're basing it on

[1:48:55] Voice 6: the outrageous costs, frankly, that were there before with respect to having to do newspaper

[1:49:04] Voice 6: and the only legit newspaper was the Drift Worker Corp.

[1:49:09] Voice 6: And one last thing, just like the trust policy thing, great for us to review this, what were

[1:49:17] Voice 6: the previous views?

[1:49:19] Voice 10: So with regard to the changes in legislation, a year ago EC unanimously asked staff to develop

[1:49:26] Voice 10: a model by-law to sort of give that an alternate advertising process.

[1:49:33] Voice 10: It's still making it, waiting its way through.

[1:49:36] Voice 10: I believe it's coming to Trust Council in September.

[1:49:41] Voice 10: So it's taken well over a year to do it, but we're getting that way.

[1:49:45] Voice 10: And so I'll ask Mr. Kachima, do we need to alter the bylaw once those provisions come in place,

[1:49:53] Voice 10: or do they automatically sort of see the process?

[1:49:55] Voice 10: They

[1:49:55] Voice 6: don't automatically change the bylaw.

[1:49:57] Voice 6: They change your process, like Brent said.

[1:50:01] Voice 6: We'll save some money on

[1:50:02] Voice 18: newspaper advertising.

[1:50:22] Voice 10: So, I guess we considered the type, because what will happen is Trust Council adopters

[1:50:26] Voice 10: in the model pilot, then we'll come back to each individual local trust committee for

[1:50:29] Voice 10: adoption.

[1:50:31] Voice 10: So, I guess at some point in that area.

[1:50:51] Voice 11: We did actually, just at Trustee Brent's point, when this first began to be drafted

[1:50:57] Voice 11: and proposed, we did actually have a comparison of the old fees, that was some, many months

[1:51:04] Voice 11: ago now um and we agreed i guess just for to be aligned with this was uh trust people and i think

[1:51:12] Voice 11: felt as well that we wanted to be aligned with regardless of our views on the actual fees

[1:51:19] Voice 11: themselves we want to be aligned with the other trust areas just for the sake of kind of

[1:51:24] Voice 11: administrative fairness across across the trust area and so that's that's how we came to endorse

[1:51:30] Voice 11: was the model bylaw and that's this is basically that kind of the end stage of that administrative

[1:51:37] Voice 11: process to prepare the the final drafting but we did we did see the actual um we thought we saw that

[1:51:44] Voice 11: yeah exactly that was that was in a previous agenda package but the trust uh regional director

[1:51:53] Voice 11: brent's point is well noted about the um ability to hopefully use a different notification method

[1:52:00] Voice 11: I mean, the Port Draft Board is probably struggling, as is, and probably is very much dependent

[1:52:06] Voice 11: on these revenues.

[1:52:07] Voice 11: So I'm kind of a mixed views on that, but I mean, his point as well, I'll take him.

[1:52:13] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:52:13] Voice 10: All right.

[1:52:14] Voice 10: So somebody want to make the motion?

[1:52:18] Voice 10: I can.

[1:52:21] Voice 10: Page 31.

[1:52:22] Voice 10: Page 31.

[1:52:23] Voice 15: I'm just there.

[1:52:25] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:52:25] Voice 15: Okay. I move that the Southerner Island Local Trust Committee by-law number 142, cited as Southerner Island Local Trust Committee fees by-law number 23, be adopted.

[1:52:43] Voice 10: Seconded.

[1:52:44] Voice 10: I second.

[1:52:45] Voice 10: Any further discussion? Call the question, all in favor?

[1:52:48] Voice 10: Yes.

[1:52:49] Voice 10: That's okay. Thank you very much.

[1:52:52] Voice 10: So now we move on to 14.2 on page 39, which is the Minor Housing Amendment Review Project.

[1:52:59] Voice 10: So Planner Smith, I believe.

[1:53:01] Voice 10: Thank you, Chair.

[1:53:08] Voice 4: Sorry, I have a staff report here in front of you for your Minor

[1:53:11] Voice 1: Housing Amendment Review

[1:53:12] Voice 4: Project, is what I've called it.

[1:53:15] Voice 4: At the last meeting, the Trust Committee gave staff direction to draft a project charter

[1:53:21] Voice 4: That captures a scope of work that includes reviewing Schedule C of the Land Use By-law

[1:53:29] Voice 4: with respect to potentially establishing and assisting requirements across the local trust

[1:53:35] Voice 4: area.

[1:53:36] Voice 4: Reviewing Schedule

[1:53:37] Voice 9: E of the By

[1:53:38] Voice 4: -law with respect to secondary suites.

[1:53:41] Voice 4: An update with new provincial mapping, and finally, as Rob stated earlier, reviewing

[1:53:49] Voice 4: in the multiple family residential zoning restrictions and associated policies

[1:53:57] Voice 4: so the scope of work is spelled out there it's proposed to be completed

[1:54:03] Voice 4: over two fiscal years as a minor project first phase being scoping and analysis

[1:54:12] Voice 4: some early consult

[1:54:13] Voice 2: community consultation is also recommended including potentially holding

[1:54:19] Voice 2: the CIA in July 18th

[1:54:21] Voice 2: meeting to spend more time

[1:54:23] Voice 2: digging into the topic

[1:54:25] Voice 2: at an early stage

[1:54:27] Voice 9: in the project

[1:54:29] Voice 4: and

[1:54:29] Voice 9: I think with that I will

[1:54:32] Voice 9: pass it back to you Chair for any questions

[1:54:34] Voice 9: of the local trust committee may not

[1:54:35] Voice 10: Trustees, any questions for

[1:54:38] Voice 10: Planner Smith or is this all fairly straightforward?

[1:54:40] Voice 15: It's very

[1:54:41] Voice 15: straightforward, I had

[1:54:42] Voice 15: one question which

[1:54:43] Voice 15: was

[1:54:46] Voice 15: you said

[1:54:49] Voice 15: the legislative process

[1:54:52] Voice 15: and it was to do with whether or not an OCP amendment would be required and I'm

[1:54:59] Voice 15: trying to imagine what triggers that or not. Do we know that yet? We don't know.

[1:55:05] Voice 4: So I would say for changing your cistern requirements and changing your

[1:55:10] Voice 4: secondary suite

[1:55:11] Voice 2: schedule B mapping, probably no conflict or OCP policies

[1:55:18] Voice 2: that might need to be considered in amending those maps.

[1:55:22] Voice 2: If you are considering changes

[1:55:24] Voice 2: to your multifamily residential zoning,

[1:55:27] Voice 2: then the point I made earlier around that particular policy

[1:55:30] Voice 2: that wouldn't allow for more than 120%.

[1:55:35] Voice 2: So if you're looking to create

[1:55:38] Voice 2: a multifamily residential zone

[1:55:40] Voice 2: that is for private development as opposed to non-profit,

[1:55:45] Voice 2: of it, then increasing the density right now would be limited to only 20% higher than what

[1:55:51] Voice 2: is currently allowed on that lot.

[1:55:52] Voice 2: And so if you were looking to somehow increase density on those lots, it would be in conflict

[1:55:59] Voice 2: with that policy.

[1:56:00] Voice 2: So you need to revisit that policy and either amend or remove it so that your land use by

[1:56:06] Voice 2: law provision is not in direct conflict with that specific policy.

[1:56:11] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:56:11] Voice 15: Okay. And even if you were, well, we don't want to have the conversation yet.

[1:56:15] Voice 15: So the next question would be, if we tackle those together, are they inextricably connected?

[1:56:23] Voice 15: So that they say we wanted to update the water and the secondary suites, would it have to follow the same timeline?

[1:56:34] Voice 15: line and could we

[1:56:36] Voice 15: kind of separate them so that one

[1:56:38] Voice 15: went on to the province

[1:56:40] Voice 15: and one just got done

[1:56:41] Voice 15: You

[1:56:42] Voice 18: could separate it into

[1:56:44] Voice 18: three pilots

[1:56:45] Voice 15: one

[1:56:46] Voice 6: that makes the changes

[1:56:49] Voice 6: that don't require

[1:56:50] Voice 6: those could be done

[1:56:53] Voice 6: more quickly

[1:56:53] Voice 15: and then focus on

[1:56:56] Voice 6: the second phase

[1:56:57] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:56:59] Voice 15: what I would like

[1:57:00] Voice 15: ideally is to move them

[1:57:02] Voice 15: forward together

[1:57:03] Voice 15: so that you know we have a community conversation about all aspects integrated but in terms of the

[1:57:13] Voice 15: timeline of like tick tick tick that we then somehow separate them

[1:57:18] Voice 18: yes yeah

[1:57:22] Voice 18: to keep

[1:57:24] Voice 6: in mind that the legislative

[1:57:25] Voice 6: phase or call it the legislative phase

[1:57:27] Voice 6: like the reading

[1:57:28] Voice 6: that comes at the end of the process

[1:57:31] Voice 6: so it is

[1:57:32] Voice 6: substantive discussion

[1:57:39] Voice 6: deliberation will

[1:57:40] Voice 6: occur together

[1:57:42] Voice 6: that's

[1:57:42] Voice 15: fine, I just wanted

[1:57:44] Voice 15: to make sure that we didn't wait

[1:57:47] Voice 15: that

[1:57:47] Voice 6: the legislative

[1:57:48] Voice 15: process didn't slow everything down

[1:57:50] Voice 15: so

[1:57:51] Voice 2: my suggestion would be that

[1:57:52] Voice 2: we initiate the

[1:57:56] Voice 2: project we do some of that

[1:57:57] Voice 2: analysis and community consultation and after that you'll

[1:58:01] Voice 4: have a better understanding of uh what or if and what changes you might want to make to your

[1:58:08] Voice 4: uh in particular your mfr zoning and if that will then potentially trigger an lcp event that we can

[1:58:14] Voice 4: can decide at that time to separate into two.

[1:58:17] Voice 15: OK, I'm good.

[1:58:19] Voice 10: That makes sense, yeah.

[1:58:21] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:58:22] Voice 10: So will somebody want to make some motions?

[1:58:28] Voice 10: Trust people.

[1:58:32] Voice 13: Thank you

[1:58:33] Voice 15: very much for the work.

[1:58:35] Voice 15: So I move.

[1:58:37] Voice 15: Will I do them separate?

[1:58:38] Voice 15: I have to do each

[1:58:39] Voice 14: one, or am I?

[1:58:40] Voice 14: Yeah, two motions.

[1:58:41] Voice 15: I move that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee endorse

[1:58:45] Voice 15: endorse the attack project charger for the minor housing amendments review project second second

[1:58:51] Voice 10: then any further discussion call the question yeah all in favor yep that carries uh

[1:58:59] Voice 15: I'm I'm

[1:59:00] Voice 15: Ruth at the Saturna Island local trust committee direct staff to schedule a community information

[1:59:06] Voice 15: meeting for the minor housing amendments review project at the July 18th 2024 LTC meeting

[1:59:16] Voice 10: For the discussion call the question all in favor

[1:59:20] Voice 10: That carries Thank You planner Smith. I think it should make for an exchange

[1:59:24] Voice 10: With

[1:59:25] Voice 4: respect to the CIM, Rob, we can work together with some content here on that CIM.

[1:59:32] Voice 4: You've got a lot of information.

[1:59:36] Voice 3: Yeah, I mean, please just tell us what's

[1:59:38] Voice 4: helpful.

[1:59:39] Voice 6: So essentially, community information is

[1:59:41] Voice 6: sort of what you did there.

[1:59:43] Voice 6: Double advertising to try to get more communication.

[1:59:47] Voice 15: I think it's worthwhile advertising the island profiles prepared by the Islands Trust from the census data.

[1:59:56] Voice 15: like really what's there but more if possible.

[2:00:00] Voice 15: possible, because I think that's really important in terms of underpinning this, that census

[2:00:06] Voice 15: data is really valuable.

[2:00:24] Voice 4: yeah sorry I'm

[2:00:29] Voice 15: talking my way to this but and so that you know there are two

[2:00:34] Voice 15: ideas that have come forward here but that wouldn't preclude that community

[2:00:39] Voice 15: information meeting raising pretty much anything yeah so so it's really um it opens the door for

[2:00:48] Voice 15: a good conversation yeah

[2:00:50] Voice 18: you could advertise with the scribblers sure well if you want to

[2:00:55] Voice 18: do a lot of addition i

[2:00:56] Voice 15: think

[2:00:57] Voice 18: there might be an addition coming up

[2:00:59] Voice 15: and then um so we'll have to do

[2:01:00] Voice 15: is it

[2:01:01] Voice 15: we'll

[2:01:02] Voice 2: look into it yeah yeah let's just there's

[2:01:05] Voice 11: there's one entry so go

[2:01:07] Voice 6: ahead i just

[2:01:13] Voice 6: encourage consideration excellent all

[2:01:22] Voice 6: right

[2:01:23] Voice 10: thank you very much so we moving

[2:01:28] Voice 10: forward page 45 we have work program reports and future projects any

[2:01:36] Voice 11: Any questions?

[2:01:38] Voice 11: I'm assuming that now the ALR exclusion and inclusion is now removed from the active

[2:01:46] Voice 11: project list

[2:01:48] Voice 18: and

[2:01:49] Voice 11: I'm not sure, just in terms of that of the future project, it seemed that

[2:01:56] Voice 11: the bylaw, it's called a project in the future projects list, but I think in practice it's

[2:02:06] Voice 11: turned out to be much more minor than that and i think in conversation with leonard smith if i

[2:02:11] Voice 11: don't know if you guys agree but we thought that at some point down the road when we you know do

[2:02:17] Voice 11: some housekeeping with the land use bylaw inevitably toward the end of each term there's

[2:02:21] Voice 11: some things that come up that just require um housekeeping that we just basically included

[2:02:26] Voice 11: there but if and basically all we've done is change the notice provision to to record with

[2:02:32] Voice 11: the ombudsperson and that seems to be rather non-controversial in in the end yeah

[2:02:38] Voice 11: um so i

[2:02:39] Voice 11: would just propose that that kind of go away from the future project list is captured in a standing

[2:02:44] Voice 11: resolution i think we just have the working understanding that by the end of the term we

[2:02:49] Voice 11: just get it put into the land use bylaw as part of a housekeeping project as well as some other

[2:02:55] Voice 11: no doubt amendments that will have arisen by that point yeah

[2:03:00] Voice 15: just in case anybody's not clear that's

[2:03:03] Voice 15: to do with making the notification period for a bylaw officer to come and do an inspection

[2:03:10] Voice 15: two weeks instead of currently none well

[2:03:14] Voice 11: it was it was all mixed up

[2:03:16] Voice 11: we had the language

[2:03:17] Voice 11: bible said one thing and then the enabling bylaws said something else so now they both

[2:03:21] Voice 11: say the same thing and nobody's been particularly alarmed by law enforcement as well um and it's

[2:03:31] Voice 11: kind of what sort of happens anyway there's written notification and it doesn't it doesn't

[2:03:36] Voice 11: really um and because we don't have the bylaw notification system it doesn't or the ticketing

[2:03:43] Voice 11: system i guess whether the venn system as it used to be called um or may still be it's really less

[2:03:49] Voice 11: of an issue here but it's just a matter of i guess it's literally falling into the housekeeping

[2:03:54] Voice 11: keeping department of changes to the to the land use by-law than a project and so you're being

[2:04:01] Voice 11: overly cautious I think it was

[2:04:03] Voice 11: a project before and

[2:04:05] Voice 15: I think it still doesn't preclude like if

[2:04:08] Voice 15: it's an emergency situation like you know some kind of huge issue then this and I think the

[2:04:18] Voice 15: wording in the spending isn't required

[2:04:19] Voice 11: resolution says that and

[2:04:21] Voice 15: we can be sure like

[2:04:22] Voice 11: to your point

[2:04:23] Voice 11: trustee bone we can be sure to include that in the the financial crafting of the of the

[2:04:27] Voice 11: the wording in the land use by law sure

[2:04:30] Voice 18: so i'm

[2:04:31] Voice 11: good with that so that so you know i guess that

[2:04:34] Voice 11: leads to the point i i guess um with the the housing the minor housing amendment project

[2:04:43] Voice 11: would now be the active project i'm imagining is that correct yeah it already

[2:04:46] Voice 4: is great

[2:04:47] Voice 11: okay perfect

[2:04:48] Voice 11: Perfect. So I think that's all we need. So do we need a motion to remove from the future projects list the review of byline enforcement notification requirements?

[2:04:58] Voice 14: No.

[2:04:58] Voice 11: Or was it just understood?

[2:05:00] Voice 11: I guess.

[2:05:00] Voice 11: Okay, perfect.

[2:05:02] Voice 11: Perfect.

[2:05:02] Voice 11: And so, yeah, and then just a point adding.

[2:05:05] Voice 4: So then the only future project is ground water sustainability projects on there. And the effect of the project is now your minor housing amendments.

[2:05:14] Voice 4: I

[2:05:15] Voice 11: guess we could we put in as a placeholder just to show I mean it would

[2:05:22] Voice 11: be a huge project if we were to take it on so we would be you know careful about

[2:05:27] Voice 11: what we did but basically the shore shoreline policy would be because we

[2:05:32] Voice 11: paid as we've learned recently through some bioactivity we're actually still

[2:05:37] Voice 11: still using the CRDs, the inherited policy from the CRD from 1974 in our land use bylaws.

[2:05:46] Voice 11: So it might be worth having, I mean, I know it's a big project, but if we just note it

[2:05:51] Voice 11: in the future project, that would probably be helpful.

[2:05:54] Voice 4: So a shoreline

[2:05:55] Voice 11: policy review.

[2:05:57] Voice 4: What do you think?

[2:06:02] Voice 11: If it's place-holded in the future projects, we're not obligated to move on, it's just

[2:06:06] Voice 11: it is an item of interest and it has something it has arisen as an issue i'm

[2:06:14] Voice 15: just wondering if

[2:06:15] Voice 15: that's not a project for regional planning if it's shorelines and it's like our older

[2:06:24] Voice 15: southern gulf islands using the cod shoreline 1970 policy so

[2:06:32] Voice 6: like yeah

[2:06:33] Voice 6: Yeah, it's too much.

[2:06:34] Voice 6: Trustee Milliken's referring to the setback.

[2:06:36] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:06:41] Voice 18: So, regional planning committee has on its

[2:06:47] Voice 6: future projects,

[2:06:48] Voice 6: the social line, the view that they would produce a toolkit.

[2:06:52] Voice 6: Right.

[2:06:55] Voice 6: They

[2:06:56] Voice 18: would be up to the

[2:06:57] Voice 6: individual local trust committee

[2:06:58] Voice 6: to decide that local trust committee

[2:07:01] Voice 6: wants to undertake

[2:07:02] Voice 18: a social

[2:07:03] Voice 6: line review.

[2:07:24] Voice 11: I was just surprised by how brief and vague the CRD policy that we inherited was.

[2:07:31] Voice 11: It really doesn't go into a great level of detail about shoreline uses, and I mean, there's

[2:07:39] Voice 11: no emergency here, but if we could flag it, we could look at what may be the work that's

[2:07:44] Voice 11: done regionally.

[2:07:46] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:07:46] Voice 15: well, I'm happy to put it in so long as we put in a little sentence that says,

[2:07:52] Voice 15: like, not necessarily for us to do on our own, but look to ways to achieve a review

[2:07:59] Voice 15: or review the methodology, because I don't want it to become, I don't want it to turn

[2:08:08] Voice 15: into a huge project and

[2:08:09] Voice 11: it has the potential to do for sure okay yeah and i guess that the sub sub

[2:08:15] Voice 11: text is to preserve our finest precious time for the two whether it can be fairly time-intensive

[2:08:21] Voice 11: conservation projects which are will be applications but nonetheless that doesn't

[2:08:27] Voice 8: mean it magically

[2:08:28] Voice 11: creates any more pocket of time in your schedule so we we want to be uh

[2:08:32] Voice 11: respectful of that and allow you know working with what we need to kind of get

[2:08:38] Voice 11: these two conservation projects moving if it's all possible so

[2:08:42] Voice 10: if I could just

[2:08:43] Voice 10: ask Mr. Kuchema is I understood regional planning committee is doing a shoreline

[2:08:49] Voice 10: project is it just on is it a future project

[2:09:11] Voice 6: potential products, and one is shoreline.

[2:09:15] Voice 10: Yeah, because I know we were at Maynard when we were waved off to the shoreline stuff saying

[2:09:20] Voice 10: that there was something coming from from the...

[2:09:22] Voice 6: What would come from...

[2:09:29] Voice 5: What does the fresh water project encompass?

[2:09:35] Voice 5: So

[2:09:35] Voice 6: it's a strategy, it's got a number of recommended actions, and it was endorsed by

[2:09:40] Voice 6: just got the last term um and it's being picked up again this fiscal year by the financial committee

[2:09:48] Voice 6: to look at the first one is being recommended through tomorrow's regional planning committee

[2:09:57] Voice 6: meeting we're stepping in from that thing that's a long budget

[2:10:19] Voice 6: The

[2:10:21] Voice 15: regional planning committee meeting is tomorrow and I'm attending it and that has

[2:10:26] Voice 15: a proposal and indeed in 2021 there was a freshwater strategy document prepared which

[2:10:36] Voice 15: which had a large number of actions, some of which have been done, such as studies,

[2:10:43] Voice 15: but many haven't. And it's really to reflect back to that original strategy and see what

[2:10:54] Voice 15: needs to be done next and by whom. But it's a broad across the region thing. There's a

[2:11:03] Voice 15: a senior fresh water specialist employed by the Islands Trust, who

[2:11:10] Voice 10: directs this.

[2:11:12] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[2:11:14] Voice 10: All right.

[2:11:16] Voice 18: Does

[2:11:16] Voice 6: the LTC want us to update the future project list?

[2:11:20] Voice 6: Yeah, it

[2:11:21] Voice 10: sounds like that's the wish

[2:11:22] Voice 13: of the committee.

[2:11:23] Voice 10: Yeah, that would be great.

[2:11:25] Voice 17: But just to say, that didn't answer the question, either for George or me,

[2:11:29] Voice 17: is there something that maybe you could just send me a link to that so I have some idea?

[2:11:35] Voice 15: Sure.

[2:11:36] Voice 15: I can send it to both of you.

[2:11:38] Voice 5: If I can just speak to it quickly. My main concern is, falls back to subdivision and the Amnesty Trust

[2:11:47] Voice 5: so far inaction towards allowing rainwater catchment under a prescribed method to be a valid way of providing proof of potable water to the Indian Cleveland officer.

[2:12:08] Voice 5: because I think it's really short-sighted that that can't be.

[2:12:12] Voice 5: There'll be more holes in the ground, which I don't think necessarily is the right way to go.

[2:12:17] Voice 5: And under current building requirements, all roof water is taken from gutters,

[2:12:30] Voice 5: it's piped, and it's dumped into a pit, or if you're close to the ocean,

[2:12:35] Voice 5: It's like directly off the frontage into the water and to suggest that the roof water

[2:12:43] Voice 5: taken and used as potable house water

[2:12:47] Voice 5: is somehow taking away from what's going into the groundwater system.

[2:12:51] Voice 5: I think it's totally erroneous as it relates to this island.

[2:12:57] Voice 5: When I'm talking about it may have a difference on other islands, but to this island I do not believe

[2:13:02] Voice 5: that catching rainwater in any way disrupts the groundwater system, just by the way you have to handle it.

[2:13:14] Voice 10: So, just asking if there are some LTCs that allow rainwater catchment for proof of water or not?

[2:13:22] Voice 6: No, it's off-division stage. Some, it could be airy.

[2:13:26] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:13:27] Voice 13: I think we

[2:13:32] Voice 15: have a standing resolution. How does that work? It's not working

[2:13:47] Voice 6: Well,

[2:13:48] Voice 10: do we have time to get the discussion now so well mr. Alloway would have said you have a comment

[2:14:10] Voice 3: on the development source of potable water.

[2:14:14] Voice 3: So the question of is it a good idea has been dealt with, but actually yes.

[2:14:20] Voice 3: And

[2:14:21] Voice 15: actually to speak to what John said, in fact, you're right.

[2:14:26] Voice 15: I personally think, and I've read reports,

[2:14:30] Voice 15: that the only danger to groundwater on the islands,

[2:14:35] Voice 15: with reasonable, you know, all the usual caveats,

[2:14:38] Voice 15: is the risk of saltwater intrusion around the coast.

[2:14:42] Voice 15: And you're right, because people at the coast collect water

[2:14:47] Voice 15: and try and ship it into the ocean as fast as possible.

[2:14:50] Voice 15: So diverting that to actual use instead of a well

[2:14:55] Voice 15: would be especially beneficial around the coast where that danger exists.

[2:15:01] Voice 5: It is not approved at the time of subdivision of people

[2:15:07] Voice 5: then the well must be drilled, and then the potential for somebody doing a secondary roof water catchment system

[2:15:15] Voice 5: is almost wiped out by the cost of double water provision.

[2:15:20] Voice 10: I think being through the sub-position process, the ministry comes back with the PLA saying

[2:15:26] Voice 10: provision of water is subject to the approval of the local trust committee or something.

[2:15:32] Voice 6: The local trust committee has a lot of our environment, the general position.

[2:15:37] Voice 6: then it's the approving officer

[2:15:41] Voice 6: so it's either

[2:15:44] Voice 6: through

[2:15:45] Voice 6: trust committee level

[2:15:47] Voice 6: so

[2:15:48] Voice 15: the standing resolution

[2:15:50] Voice 15: isn't strong enough

[2:15:53] Voice 18: the standing resolution

[2:15:54] Voice 18: is I suppose

[2:15:58] Voice 6: it's a advocacy

[2:15:59] Voice 6: to the approving officer

[2:16:03] Voice 6: to allow that

[2:16:05] Voice 6: to occur

[2:16:05] Voice 6: so can

[2:16:06] Voice 15: we fix that in this go round

[2:16:08] Voice 15: of the minor housing options

[2:16:10] Voice 15: Because it does play a role there in the water catchment recommendation, plus the secondary

[2:16:18] Voice 15: suite connection to a house.

[2:16:20] Voice 15: So

[2:16:21] Voice 18: you don't have that requirement for proof

[2:16:23] Voice 6: of water quality, so it's the local trust

[2:16:28] Voice 6: community by-law, not optical, something cool or something.

[2:16:34] Voice 6: It's not the local trust community by-law that creates that requirement, so

[2:16:40] Voice 6: by not having

[2:16:40] Voice 6: that requirement in your by-law, it's now defaulting to the subject.

[2:16:45] Voice 18: Okay, Brad, your

[2:16:47] Voice 2: resolution, your standing resolution is really just saying, hey, approving officer, this is what we think, versus if you have water standards in your subdivision regulations, then the province uses those as opposed to

[2:17:08] Voice 4: establishing their own standard in the absence of those.

[2:17:13] Voice 4: I

[2:17:14] Voice 11: think what we learned in the process, Trustee Brendon and I over eight years or so, is that

[2:17:22] Voice 11: post-Walkerton, there was a great deal of liability concern of local governments taking

[2:17:28] Voice 11: on the definition of quality and quantity of drinking water.

[2:17:32] Voice 11: And so there was a devolution or dropping of any kind of attempt to set a standard for

[2:17:41] Voice 11: which they might be liable.

[2:17:42] Voice 11: and so I think we realized that we actually did have the power to, per the

[2:17:48] Voice 11: ministry statement, they said that, just as you guys said, the reverse of, if we

[2:17:52] Voice 11: come up with the standard, they will look first to see if there's a standard at the

[2:17:56] Voice 11: local government level. If there isn't, then they have to obviously default to

[2:17:59] Voice 11: their own very conservative methods, but it didn't strike me that they were in

[2:18:06] Voice 11: any way opposed to the local trust committee coming up with the words

[2:18:11] Voice 11: words where you have to have a standard for quality and quantity of drinking water provision

[2:18:17] Voice 11: those were the key legal terms and so just saying rainwater catchment doesn't define the quality

[2:18:25] Voice 11: which I imagine would have a you know you'd have to break like a chemical analysis of some of some

[2:18:30] Voice 11: nature and the quantity you'd have to state how much capacity per bedroom or whatever so I mean

[2:18:39] Voice 11: it's not out of the question that that could be done in the minor but it's a bit of work

[2:18:43] Voice 6: typically

[2:18:45] Voice 6: where there are issues with the quality of groundwater or at least something higher

[2:18:50] Voice 6: reads the case they don't want to prove it in such a mean stage a covenant is typically

[2:18:55] Voice 6: registered on tables that you can't buy a dwelling right until you install the water

[2:19:01] you are catching system to the standard because you're leaving a bigger report

[2:19:08] Voice 6: So that's been done in some cases, one case

[2:19:12] Voice 18: by case basis.

[2:19:14] Voice 11: So it just seems that with Tyler Smith's difficulties with engaging with MOTI, just the region,

[2:19:24] Voice 11: I don't know how you would even attract their attention to let them know that policy has

[2:19:29] Voice 11: changed.

[2:19:30] Voice 11: I mean we haven't changed policy, I guess we should do that first and then once we've

[2:19:34] Voice 11: done that we can cross that bridge when we've done to it i guess so just

[2:19:37] Voice 2: process wise an applicant

[2:19:39] Voice 2: comes to the ministry applies for subdivision the ministry then sends the referral to us and the

[2:19:47] Voice 2: applicant

[2:19:47] Voice 4: has to pay a fee for us to review their plan we review their submission against the bylaws

[2:19:55] Voice 4: and provide conditions back to the to the ministry for north pender for example we would provide

[2:20:04] Voice 4: conditions around water standards that must be met and

[2:20:08] Voice 2: so if you establish those conditions

[2:20:11] Voice 2: that's where the process it would

[2:20:13] Voice 4: get caught is when staff right now like for mr games of

[2:20:17] Voice 4: subdivision for example

[2:20:18] Voice 2: there's no water standards to review against because they don't exist in your

[2:20:24] Voice 2: bylaw so then we can't create conditions we can only provide uh advocacy you should consider

[2:20:32] Voice 2: which is what i put in his plr letter you should consider the standing resolution okay from the

[2:20:38] Voice 2: local trust committee the the uh approving officers under no obligation to consider that

[2:20:45] Voice 4: the approving officer would be under an obligation to consider your file yeah

[2:20:49] Voice 13: so this is positive

[2:20:51] Voice 11: news then and could perhaps being I mean I know it's kind of work but they

[2:20:55] Voice 11: considered it as part of the housing review and that we would come up with

[2:20:58] Voice 11: the standard and where possible leveraging work that's already been done

[2:21:02] Voice 11: the local trustee yeah

[2:21:04] Voice 6: and they're just

[2:21:05] Voice 6: adopted that must go for it you know

[2:21:08] Voice 6: they're largely professional

[2:21:22] Voice 15: Yeah, he's been very helpful and it's like, you know, the mooring boys, it's just,

[2:21:34] Voice 13: we

[2:21:35] Voice 15: We have such a job's dinner of intersecting geographical areas and legislation that it's quite difficult.

[2:21:45] Voice 15: But, yeah, I think this is a really important thing to address.

[2:21:49] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:21:50] Voice 10: Just

[2:21:51] Voice 4: to the chair too, do you see that fitting in with the current project or something?

[2:21:57] Voice 6: Essentially.

[2:21:57] Voice 6: I mean, they might expand the scope of it, right?

[2:22:00] Voice 6: It's a long-standing

[2:22:07] Voice 11: goal of this local trust committee to achieve that.

[2:22:09] Voice 11: So, you know, with that.

[2:22:14] Voice 13: I'm paid

[2:22:14] Voice 11: for the cake.

[2:22:18] Voice 11: Well, that's good.

[2:22:19] Voice 4: Very positive.

[2:22:20] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:22:21] Voice 11: I

[2:22:21] Voice 4: hope you have the gist of this.

[2:22:23] Voice 4: We just continue on.

[2:22:24] Voice 4: You have some more community discussion.

[2:22:26] Voice 4: We should go

[2:22:29] Voice 15: leave the Pandora stuff.

[2:22:31] Voice 8: Good idea.

[2:22:33] Voice 8: Perfect.

[2:22:34] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:22:35] Voice 6: I guess the bottom line is, if I have anything in mind, just follow the line.

[2:22:38] Voice 6: It's good to hear from you.

[2:22:39] Voice 6: If someone comes forward with a case, it's not there.

[2:22:46] Voice 10: Mr. Alloway, did you have a last comment?

[2:22:48] Voice 10: I

[2:22:48] Voice 3: heard all the caveats around the standing resolution,

[2:22:53] Voice 3: but I also wanted to read the sister attachment

[2:22:57] Voice 3: or any of the official plan, which I believe carries a different

[2:23:00] Voice 3: way of standing resolutions.

[2:23:05] Voice 3: I would just really encourage trustees to know

[2:23:09] Voice 3: that it's there, it's been there, you can rely on it.

[2:23:12] Voice 3: and that may short

[2:23:14] Voice 15: -circuit some hesitations,

[2:23:17] Voice 3: if you will.

[2:23:18] Voice 15: I didn't realize that the Standing Resolution was,

[2:23:21] Voice 15: as they say, not worth the paper it's written on

[2:23:23] Voice 15: in terms of actually making it the rubber beneath the road.

[2:23:30] Voice 15: We

[2:23:30] Voice 11: came up with the phrase on the Standing Resolution,

[2:23:33] Voice 11: which it drove, I think it caused some concern,

[2:23:39] Voice 11: but we used the words voluntary bylaw.

[2:23:47] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:23:48] Voice 13: Yes.

[2:23:48] Voice 10: Okay, so everybody satisfied?

[2:23:50] Voice 14: Yes.

[2:23:51] Voice 10: Alright.

[2:23:53] Voice 10: So, applications report, page 47.

[2:23:56] Voice 10: I think that's fairly straightforward.

[2:23:58] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:23:59] Voice 10: Trustee and local expense report, which is just for information.

[2:24:06] Voice 10: We have the adopted policy, sustaining resolutions, again, for information.

[2:24:10] Voice 10: information. Local press committee web page.

[2:24:15] Voice 10: I don't know if anybody has anything to highlight

[2:24:18] Voice 10: there. Oh my goodness. So page 56.

[2:24:25] Voice 10: So 50s, yeah.

[2:24:29] Voice 10: And the last thing we have on

[2:24:32] Voice 10: this is the Islands Trust Conservancy Report for your

[2:24:36] Voice 10: information. So new business, we have

[2:24:41] Voice 10: the 2023-24 annual report that's page 58 um for your endorsement um i think the only thing i missed

[2:24:53] Voice 10: on i didn't miss um is there was a note um on the annual report describing um the eternal island

[2:25:04] Voice 10: and they noticed some of the um outlying islands but didn't list samuel is sort of it's just maybe

[2:25:11] Voice 10: a little bit more major island than some of the other islands that were noted.

[2:25:17] Voice 10: That's true. Otherwise,

[2:25:21] Voice 10: it seems to be a fairly detailed and concise

[2:25:29] Voice 10: statement of what's happened in the last year. Does anybody have any comments?

[2:25:33] Voice 11: I think the protected area might be higher than 45%

[2:25:37] Voice 11: at the Nature Conservancy of BC land holdings,

[2:25:41] Voice 11: which you can see are pretty significant on that map.

[2:25:45] Voice 11: I mean not to quibble but I mean it's kind of a nice statistic to it goes over 50 that's kind of

[2:25:53] Voice 11: pretty impressive no

[2:25:56] Voice 17: our

[2:25:58] Voice 11: local well actually I guess when you look at them maybe the other

[2:26:01] Voice 11: islands it well no because cabbage and tumble are in the park certainly yeah I just wonder if it

[2:26:09] Voice 11: doesn't if the nature Conservancy's holdings are somehow classified as private holdings

[2:26:31] Voice 3: so

[2:26:33] Voice 10: any insight as to whether we

[2:26:38] Voice 6: yeah it hasn't changed for years and yet we've been inquiring for a major just

[2:26:47] Voice 10: yeah well but we don't have an accurate number at hand no

[2:26:54] Voice 4: over or at least well

[2:26:59] Voice 11: we do I think we're pretty comfortable knowing that it's over that don't find

[2:27:02] Voice 11: much of our preserve themselves talks about the figure of over 50% so I only

[2:27:06] Voice 11: just maybe say for 50% where

[2:27:09] Voice 15: does the number come from I mean somebody

[2:27:13] Voice 15: I mean,

[2:27:14] Voice 11: for instance, the environmental section is now de facto signed over to the All-Finance

[2:27:25] Voice 11: National Park Reserve.

[2:27:26] Voice 11: But I don't think it shows in the conservation figures, because it was shown as owned by

[2:27:31] Voice 11: a different government, well, Environment Canada, right?

[2:27:33] Voice 11: So that's 648 years there.

[2:27:36] Voice 15: I have a suggestion then.

[2:27:37] Voice 15: Why don't we, at the Parks Liaison meeting, ask them to give us an official number of

[2:27:43] Voice 15: And then we get the number from the nature

[2:27:48] Voice 15: Does that cover it those two pieces well

[2:27:51] Voice 10: not really good

[2:27:51] Voice 10: I think they for the immediacy of the other reporting so if we amend

[2:27:56] Voice 10: it just say over 50% of to turn it up

[2:27:58] Voice 13: Yeah, yeah, and

[2:28:00] Voice 10: then next year. We'll

[2:28:02] Voice 11: actually have the real number

[2:28:03] Voice 11: Yeah, we can do the coverage and

[2:28:05] Voice 15: increasing so

[2:28:07] Voice 10: do we need a motion with these comments

[2:28:20] Voice 9: Yeah,

[2:28:21] Voice 11: so I'll make that motion.

[2:28:28] Voice 11: The amendment is understood. Yeah. Okay. So the trust committee approves the attached tax for inclusion in the 2023.

[2:28:36] Voice 11: 24 annual report for approval as amended by trust council and submission to the minister.

[2:28:42] Voice 11: And

[2:28:43] Voice 10: so seconded yes, Steve Bowen any further discussion. So.

[2:28:47] Voice 10: So staff understand what.

[2:28:50] Voice 4: Just maybe you can, so we're going to put over 50?

[2:28:55] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:28:55] Voice 11: we're going to add Samuel Island to the list of islands,

[2:28:59] Voice 11: and then we're going to put over 50%.

[2:29:01] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:29:03] Voice 10: Excellent.

[2:29:03] Voice 10: Okay, so call the question, all in favor?

[2:29:06] Voice 10: That carries.

[2:29:08] Voice 10: So we have our submission to the annual report.

[2:29:11] Voice 10: We'd be most pleased.

[2:29:15] Voice 10: Extremely well done, John.

[2:29:17] Voice 10: All right.

[2:29:17] Voice 10: Right, so now we have advisory planning commission referral discussion.

[2:29:23] Voice 10: What is that surrounding?

[2:29:28] Voice 15: That is about the roads.

[2:29:32] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:29:32] Voice 15: So just to introduce the topic,

[2:29:36] Voice 15: so we formulated an advisory planning committee

[2:29:40] Voice 15: with a focus on roads infrastructure.

[2:29:43] Voice 15: We have three applicants,

[2:29:46] Voice 15: Rob Alloway, Priscilla Eubank, and Stephen Brown, who's not here.

[2:29:53] Voice 15: He's from the East Point end of the island.

[2:30:00] Voice 15: so this really came about because of the you know general ongoing difficulties with the road but

[2:30:08] Voice 15: then of course the catastrophes that happened during the atmospheric rivers so-called and

[2:30:15] Voice 15: um so we do have a better relationship with mochi we discovered that we should have had

[2:30:21] Voice 15: a strong and ongoing relationship because there is actually a protocol agreement and an agreement

[2:30:29] Voice 15: around standards for the islands roads um dated from the mid-90s in fact counter-intuitively

[2:30:39] Voice 15: the standards and the agreements are around preserving the rural ambience of the islands

[2:30:47] Voice 15: so it almost demands that the roads are kept to a sort of a rural standard not you know

[2:30:56] Voice 15: please don't build us any highways etc so that kind of is an oddity in the arrangement in that

[2:31:04] Voice 15: you know people who are new to the islands might demand paved lined roads from one end to the other

[2:31:11] Voice 15: but actually the initial agreements were almost that you know we want something different so it's

[2:31:18] Voice 15: why we don't really have hard shoulders etc etc so anyway to cut to chase we have a three

[2:31:26] Voice 15: person committee now. I think we're the first island to do it. And the idea would be to

[2:31:33] Voice 15: start the ball rolling. There are some formal procedures around how the meetings happen

[2:31:40] Voice 15: that I don't particularly like, but we're stuck with them. And Brad can help us with those.

[2:31:48] Voice 15: and so for instance um owen page who's the project manager for sojourner island

[2:31:55] Voice 15: is coming to the island on the 5th of june i believe i'd need to check and i'm going to meet

[2:32:03] Voice 15: him and ideally the members of the um new committee would meet him as well

[2:32:10] Voice 15: um but it's not a formal meeting so i assume that's okay and yeah it's a lot yeah we can't

[2:32:17] Voice 15: decide anything but that's okay because it's hard to decide anything anyway so um and then we should

[2:32:23] Voice 15: work together to really work out a kind of a little mini scope of work a way of working

[2:32:29] Voice 15: um i don't have any strong preferences i mean the community communication with moti has improved

[2:32:37] Voice 15: and they have done some work and they're planning to do more work so it's a question of trying to

[2:32:45] Voice 15: to build a good relationship,

[2:32:49] Voice 15: accept that there isn't an unlimited pot of money

[2:32:53] Voice 15: and that the money has to be shared across the island,

[2:32:57] Voice 15: but even between islands.

[2:32:59] Voice 15: Nobody is more equal than anybody else.

[2:33:01] Voice 15: And just work within those constraints

[2:33:03] Voice 15: to try and keep everybody as happy as can be.

[2:33:10] Voice 15: So, Robert.

[2:33:12] Voice 18: Thank you.

[2:33:13] Voice 6: Just one suggestion.

[2:33:15] Voice 6: You could ask him what would help him in terms of suggestions, because I recall

[2:33:20] Voice 6: if

[2:33:21] Voice 13: you

[2:33:26] Voice 6: had an entertainment meeting, one of the suggestions that would help him

[2:33:29] Voice 6: is if the community came up with a list of your top ten issues.

[2:33:34] Voice 6: Top ten road, you know,

[2:33:35] Voice 13: if you're caught

[2:33:36] Voice 6: over here, this needs to be fixed.

[2:33:38] Voice 13: I'm

[2:33:38] Voice 6: not saying that that would be the answer for a moment, but...

[2:33:42] Voice 13: Jim.

[2:33:43] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:33:44] Voice 13: Jim?

[2:33:44] Voice 6: Yeah, I just had a question, MLT, that what's developing on East Point Road from the ferry

[2:33:53] Voice 6: turn where we have a loose gravel situation that we didn't have a month ago, and there

[2:34:00] Voice 6: doesn't seem to be any rotation in water.

[2:34:02] Voice 15: Yeah, I agree that they are, despite the fact that after the Russell Reef trees situation,

[2:34:12] Voice 15: and i was getting kind of you know oh we're going to come and we're going to do a and we're going

[2:34:16] Voice 15: to do b and now that like the first time i i knew about that was i was queuing for the ferry and all

[2:34:24] Voice 15: these trucks came off and i said like oh where are they going what are they going to do so we need to

[2:34:29] Voice 15: beef up the proactive communication and there is a line painting campaign apparently and

[2:34:37] Voice 15: And some people know what's planned and some people,

[2:34:42] Voice 15: we both have asked about our islands and we haven't heard anything.

[2:34:47] Voice 15: So I'm hoping that on that day,

[2:34:50] Voice 15: we can make some kind of formal communication schedule with Owen

[2:34:57] Voice 15: so that we can, you know, get ahead of the communication.

[2:35:01] Voice 10: So with the loose gravel, though, in the last 24 hours,

[2:35:04] Voice 10: is somebody even by there?

[2:35:05] Voice 10: Because the sleeper was here yesterday.

[2:35:09] Voice 10: They sent a sweeper over yesterday to Saturna, because it came from Main Island, so I have

[2:35:14] Voice 10: knowledge.

[2:35:15] Voice 13: So

[2:35:15] Voice 10: they sent it over here for the day just to do some sweeping here.

[2:35:21] Voice 6: So

[2:35:21] Voice 10: it might be fixed.

[2:35:24] Voice 5: Last night, I went to the school area, and most of it seemed to be gone, going down.

[2:35:32] Voice 5: There's a minor chip seal of the fractures, and it's a little better than it was, but

[2:35:38] Voice 5: it wasn't a big deal.

[2:35:39] Voice 5: yeah perfect

[2:35:41] Voice 15: yeah and i mean for instance one thing that i want to figure out is we've talked

[2:35:46] Voice 15: to owen and sean haley his boss and they are very accommodating and very you know willing to

[2:35:55] Voice 15: talk and what have you but the thing i don't really understand is so for instance the dip

[2:36:01] Voice 15: on pender that's a kind of a provincial infrastructure project and i think some of

[2:36:08] Voice 15: the issues on Saterna fall into that category and it's how do you actually

[2:36:15] Voice 15: understand like this the run and maintain what does that encompass and

[2:36:21] Voice 15: when does it get triggered to be something else

[2:36:27] Voice 17: exactly what i was talking about different from robert kojima is that

[2:36:31] Voice 17: i found that kind of pie in the sky thing of what do you want to do not very helpful because it

[2:36:38] Voice 17: raises people's expectations and what i would much more want from mochi would be um this statistic

[2:36:45] Voice 17: for instance we have 50 to spend on saturn and 50 to spend on name so how would you like that

[2:36:53] Voice 17: So that there's some outside calculation of this is the reasonable thing to look at,

[2:37:01] Voice 17: and we're balancing this with that.

[2:37:04] Voice 17: So that's both informing and getting more information about what we might wish for

[2:37:12] Voice 17: as opposed to appearing stupid in front of...

[2:37:15] Voice 15: Yeah, it manages expectations.

[2:37:17] Voice 15: It

[2:37:18] Voice 17: manages expectations and the econ, or whatever it is,

[2:37:23] Voice 17: they got the contract because they did the lowest of everybody so yeah

[2:37:29] Voice 15: and i don't even know you

[2:37:30] Voice 15: know sometimes and like i said those trucks that came off and i don't know in my ignorance do they

[2:37:37] Voice 15: have bitumen in them no no no that's a whole process around i don't know chip and seal as

[2:37:42] Voice 15: opposed to a so even the technical details around the scope but having said all of that and the one

[2:37:50] Voice 15: One thing that I remember clearly that came from the meeting with Sean Haley,

[2:37:54] Voice 15: which is the run and maintain line painting aspect.

[2:37:58] Voice 15: He doesn't get a huge budget, but he said that he agreed with the Ireland's Trust

[2:38:04] Voice 15: that there would be a meeting in February every year, which is pre-budget stuff for MOTI.

[2:38:14] Voice 15: And at that meeting, trustees plus plus would come to the meeting

[2:38:19] Voice 15: and there'd be a kind of a show and tell about what the plan was,

[2:38:22] Voice 15: what the budget was, et cetera.

[2:38:24] Voice 15: So that's kind of a timestamp for me that February in each year

[2:38:31] Voice 15: there should be some kind of big let's all get together

[2:38:35] Voice 15: and understand what's possible and et cetera.

[2:38:39] Voice 15: He

[2:38:40] Voice 6: did say, Sean, and we did say it was very helpful

[2:38:43] Voice 6: that we

[2:38:45] Voice 6: provided him our priorities.

[2:38:48] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:38:48] Voice 6: Right, so that helped them a lot. Yeah

[2:38:51] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah,

[2:38:55] Voice 15: I know it was good. That's

[2:38:56] Voice 10: definitely well

[2:38:57] Voice 6: the other good thing that

[2:38:59] Voice 6: From the control from more ways creating this

[2:39:06] Voice 6: Emcom and Modi you have creative ideas how they can improve our roads at low cost

[2:39:14] Voice 6: They would

[2:39:16] Voice 6: Just leave it there. They're not quite sure

[2:39:19] Voice 6: how to get island i am and

[2:39:22] Voice 3: don't know who to talk to and so this would be a perfect community

[2:39:25] Voice 3: i know i haven't got a couple ideas and they're saying

[2:39:28] Voice 6: we

[2:39:30] Voice 3: don't know

[2:39:31] Voice 6: what to do we don't know

[2:39:32] Voice 6: i don't

[2:39:41] Voice 5: know how it can be improved but there seems to be little or no local communication

[2:39:49] Voice 5: from the MCOM employees to provide within the budget

[2:39:57] Voice 5: or determine some extra laptop or whatever

[2:40:03] Voice 5: to fix a few issues.

[2:40:05] Voice 5: And the local guy drives these islands every day.

[2:40:09] Voice 5: I mean, I spend a lot of time down now

[2:40:12] Voice 5: that the pickleball is being played outside.

[2:40:15] Voice 5: And when you come up Money Road to East Point Road,

[2:40:19] Voice 5: road. It's washed out on both sides, has been since the event. Probably a half a truck road

[2:40:27] Voice 5: of blacktop would fix it because now people coming up Money Road, which is about a 14%

[2:40:33] Voice 5: grade, are right in the middle of the road because if they go on that side, they're in

[2:40:38] Voice 5: the ditch effectively, which is

[2:40:40] Voice 12: can't be the way. You're there because of the river was

[2:41:00] Voice 12: And people were driving when they were supposed to drive.

[2:41:09] Voice 5: These things don't get addressed.

[2:41:11] Voice 5: There's got to be some way of making that come together.

[2:41:14] Voice 15: My suggestion would be to speak to your newly appointed

[2:41:19] Voice 15: advisory planning committee about these issues.

[2:41:23] Voice 14: And you

[2:41:25] Voice 17: know who they are.

[2:41:26] Voice 17: I think they'll have heard you.

[2:41:30] Voice 17: How do we contact you now?

[2:41:34] Voice 15: Okay. Oh, yeah. We haven't really figured that out yet. Maybe there will be a general email. I'll have to check that. There might be a general email for that. Sure. Yeah. In the meantime, you can send it to me. I'm the Rhodes person.

[2:41:52] Voice 15: Excellent.

[2:41:54] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[2:41:55] Voice 15: Great.

[2:41:56] Voice 15: All right.

[2:41:57] Voice 10: So now we have upcoming meetings,

[2:42:00] Voice 10: next regular meeting scheduled for July 18th

[2:42:03] Voice 10: at the Caterina Recreation Cultural Center.

[2:42:08] Voice 10: So that's that.

[2:42:10] Voice 10: So our last piece of business is Town Hall.

[2:42:13] Voice 10: I don't know, I think if everybody's talked out or not,

[2:42:16] Voice 10: but if anybody has anything else, go ahead.

[2:42:18] Voice 7: I just want to thank you for the

[2:42:22] Voice 17: incredible

[2:42:23] Voice 17: to apologize because I've just been tired of hearing it over and over and over again

[2:42:37] Voice 17: and being told that there's no you know been heard and yet we get so first vote sorry

[2:42:49] Voice 10: it's a process thank you

[2:42:50] Voice 15: very much that's why

[2:42:51] Voice 15: we have David he's to take care of keep the adult

[2:43:02] Voice 10: I would

[2:43:03] Voice 17: like to suggest that we preserve and protect man-made sphagnum, sternum, and all

[2:43:12] Voice 17: of the Gulf islands and be part of the island trust.

[2:43:15] Voice 17: And I thought it was uncomfortable and awkward dealing with Jeanne and Dan and Linda's place

[2:43:24] Voice 17: and the other people who were down in the water.

[2:43:27] Voice 17: and I think that they have well practice presentation wasn't as grateful as I

[2:43:34] Voice 17: would have wanted it to if legitimate concerns

[2:43:36] Voice 12: and very black and so I can

[2:44:09] Voice 12: see the value

[2:44:10] Voice 17: to having what is actually a moving body of water sometimes above

[2:44:17] Voice 17: above water, sometimes right below, it affects septic systems and driveways and a lot of

[2:44:25] Voice 17: things. It seems to me that we have some scope and some desire at some point to acknowledge

[2:44:32] Voice 17: it from top to bottom. It drains into the toe of food code and it certainly has a lot

[2:44:38] Voice 17: of wildlife that comes into that fresh food water as opposed to saltwater. There are birds

[2:44:43] Voice 17: That people I would think there might be fish that are also using that area that there is value

[2:44:50] Voice 17: to naming what's actually

[2:44:52] Voice 17: One of the big driving forces of content if I live, you know

[2:44:57] Voice 17: Right a little area that developed and it affected my house place and whatever it was

[2:45:03] Voice 17: I would quote that there was some people were writing that helped

[2:45:08] Voice 17: Actually acknowledge that this is a moving bar

[2:45:11] Voice 17: And has been on the turn for a long time that has value

[2:45:15] Voice 17: and not leave it up just to people who own

[2:45:18] Voice 14: specific

[2:45:19] Voice 17: pieces of land.

[2:45:21] Voice 17: This isn't one wetland.

[2:45:23] Voice 17: This starts here, first you break through it

[2:45:28] Voice 17: at the building, right, and recycling deals with it,

[2:45:31] Voice 17: you deal with it, so what do we do about that?

[2:45:35] Voice 17: And that makes it less personal and less intense

[2:45:39] Voice 17: because decisions to build houses or not

[2:45:42] Voice 17: are kind of a square footage of how you're gonna do that.

[2:45:45] Voice 17: they they have to go like three professions but it'd be pretty strange so is that not part of

[2:45:53] Voice 17: the trust maybe or do we just leave people to knife it out um

[2:46:06] Voice 11: i think mr gaines has an answer

[2:46:09] Voice 11: to that question you

[2:46:12] Voice 5: probably won't have this discussion um i really think that planning on

[2:46:26] Voice 5: this island a preserve and protect standpoint that map has to be looked at every time you put

[2:46:35] Voice 5: something in place that impedes the private sector or makes the private sectors life more difficult

[2:46:43] Voice 5: on this island because if this island isn't preserved and protected pretty well i don't know

[2:46:49] Voice 5: what island in the trust area or what part of the world you could go to where you wouldn't have that

[2:46:55] Voice 5: much protection so both priscilla's opinion that we've more things in place i do understand where

[2:47:02] Voice 5: she's coming from in some instances but every time and i'm not looking at this from a person

[2:47:09] Voice 5: that's made my living in this community for 70 years almost i do understand the other side of

[2:47:19] Voice 5: of the issue of rules regulations and bureaucracy and it makes one's life almost untenable here to

[2:47:28] Voice 5: do anything so really i would hope that going forward we don't think of too many more things

[2:47:37] Voice 5: to impede the slow development of this community and leave it as a place where people can become

[2:47:46] Voice 5: how many people can live, young people can grow up here and find a future here if that's their desire.

[2:47:55] Voice 5: And I think we have to be very careful about the rules and regulations that we've put into place

[2:48:02] Voice 5: that make it not impossible, but take it to the degree that people say they're comfortable with it

[2:48:09] Voice 5: when they go somewhere else, because we're close to that now on this island, in my opinion.

[2:48:14] Voice 5: And so I put that out there, and I know it's not popular in all segments, but that's where I came from.

[2:48:22] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:48:23] Voice 6: Yeah, following John's thought process, you know, water, what is water?

[2:48:30] Voice 6: Water is your mom.

[2:48:32] Voice 6: In the city, they have such things as ditches, which we don't have here.

[2:48:36] Voice 6: So water does its own thing, finds naturally, and as such, it's trespassing on people's property.

[2:48:51] Voice 6: the real issue was a hundred years old in this particular case which exasperated other other

[2:49:03] Voice 6: situations it's it's run over it's not a creek it's not it's not a fish carrying creek and as

[2:49:12] Voice 6: As such, I think because, again, we've discussed it in the past forever,

[2:49:18] Voice 6: that we carry around a lot of reasonableness to take care of it.

[2:49:23] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:49:24] Voice 10: All right.

[2:49:25] Voice 10: Dr. Brent.

[2:49:27] Voice 6: On the subject of water, in 2018, we had an atmospheric river

[2:49:32] Voice 6: create immense water flows all over the island's world.

[2:49:39] Voice 6: Was it 2018 or 2021?

[2:49:41] Voice 6: 2021.

[2:49:42] Voice 6: Regardless, right?

[2:49:44] Voice 6: right? Could we have predicted that? Should we have protected all of the islands? You

[2:49:50] Voice 6: know, we're dealing with nature here. Nature does its own thing. When I had Peter Ross

[2:49:56] Voice 6: stay with me, he was a scientist, I said, what's the biggest threat to water and our

[2:50:01] Voice 6: oceans? He said, it's poorly maintained septic systems. He said, it's poorly maintained

[2:50:07] Voice 6: drainage around agricultural practices. So that's what we have, right? So we want to

[2:50:13] Voice 6: focus on cleaning stuff make sure our septic systems are as well maintained as possible

[2:50:18] Voice 6: let's make sure that we have water courses that don't go through areas where there's a lot of

[2:50:23] Voice 6: people matter in farms and that'll do with it i mean we could just as john says we can go to the

[2:50:32] Voice 6: most minutia of legislation regulation and whatever and we will destroy what we love about

[2:50:43] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:50:45] Voice 11: All right.

[2:50:46] Voice 11: We're done with Tom Hall?

[2:50:48] Voice 11: I think to note the fertile and rich nature of discussion,

[2:50:52] Voice 11: what

[2:50:53] Voice 13: makes the island?

[2:50:57] Voice 11: Exactly.

[2:50:58] Voice 10: Polite discourse.

[2:51:00] Voice 10: All right.

[2:51:01] Voice 10: So we, unfortunately, have to kick all you people out

[2:51:05] Voice 10: because we're having a closed meeting.

[2:51:11] Voice 10: we are doing some appointments

[2:51:13] Voice 13: so

[2:51:16] Voice 15: in the

[2:51:26] Voice 10: absence of Lee we'll just read out the promotion

[2:51:29] Voice 10: motion.

[2:51:29] Voice 15: Oh, yeah. Okay, I move

[2:51:40] Voice 15: that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with

[2:51:44] Voice 15: the Commission Charter, Part 4, Division 3, Section 19

[2:51:49] Voice 15: .1a, for the purpose of considering

[2:51:52] Voice 15: a present information about an identifiable individual who also has been considered for

[2:51:58] Voice 15: position as an officer

[2:51:59] Voice 15: all right thank

[2:52:17] Voice 13: you

[2:52:22] Voice 10: very much um we're just doing a rising report out of the in-camera meeting

[2:52:27] Voice 10: The first point of order is we've appointed John Spaulding to the Board of Variants, and

[2:52:35] Voice 10: we've also appointed Carly Bilney as the Secretary for the Advisory Planning Commissions.

[2:52:41] Voice 10: So thank you very much.

[2:52:43] Voice 10: Other than that, we just need a motion to adjourn.

[2:52:45] Voice 15: I move that we adjourn as the chair and a seconder.

[2:52:48] Voice 10: Second.

[2:52:49] Voice 10: Discussing all the questions.

[2:52:50] Voice 10: All in favour?

[2:52:51] Voice 10: We're done.

[2:52:52] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[2:52:54] Voice 10: Thank you, Emily.

[2:52:55] Voice 10: Emily. Thank you. Thank you. Have

[2:52:57] Voice 10: a wonderful day. And I think we'll.

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Saturna Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 23, 2024 
Saturna Island Community Hall 
105 East Point Road, Saturna Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Lee Middleton, Local Trustee 
 Mairead Boland, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager 
 Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Carly Bilney, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: Paul Brent, Capital Regional District (CRD) Electoral Area Director for the 
Southern Gulf Islands 
  
 There were approximately twelve (12) members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 11:33 a.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee Boland noted there is a new draft of the Trust Policy Statement available, and Trust 
Council will have a first opportunity to look at the new draft in an upcoming Committee of the 
Whole; she encouraged everyone to participate. She also noted that Member of Legislative 
Assembly, Adam Olsen, has been invited to speak at Trust Council on June 18, 2024. 
Trustee Middleton described progress on conservation projects including Judy Myers’ land that 
is being donated to the Nature Trust of British Columbia and a property owner who is 
potentially seeking protection of the wetland in East Point peninsula. 
 
  
A D O P T E D 

 
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4. CHAIR'S REPORT 
Chair Maude made the following comments in his report: 
 
 A positive meeting was held with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
which has been working more closely with the Islands Trust to communicate with 
communities 
 This summer the island will be getting new yellow road lines 
 The best way to give feedback on the updated draft Policy Statement is via 
https://islandstrust.bc.ca/programs/islands-2050/  
 
5. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT 
In his report, Paul Brent, Capital Regional District Electoral Area Director for the Southern Gulf 
Islands, made the following comments: 
 A meeting was recently held between the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, 
the Islands Trust, and the Capital Regional District 
 Complaints received about various issues 
 Slow progress has been achieved on housing and the fibre optic initiative 
 Issues with mooring buoys have arisen 
 
Discussion ensued about mooring buoys, and the following comments were made: 
 
 Perhaps a moratorium on new mooring buoys would be a solution 
 Saturna Island does not allow mooring buoys in open waters 
 The issue of mooring buoys is greater in places like Ganges Harbour than near Saturna 
 Putting in a mooring buoy requires compliance with federal regulations 
 
In response to a question, Director Brent noted that there are challenges with physically 
connecting broadband. Discussion ensued about the extra costs associated with connections for 
properties with long driveways. 
 
6. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Town hall was held and the following comments were made: 
 Concern was expressed about the protection of waterways that travel across private 
property that are not provincially designated waterways 
 The Province establishes whether a stream is designated which would trigger the 
process for protecting riparian areas; if not designated by the Province, then local 
governments have the ability to do so 
 Concern was expressed about the protection of historical artifacts (e.g. kilns) on private 
land  
 Historical artifacts that predate 1846 are protected under the provincial Heritage 
Protection Act 
 A request was made to have a comparison drawn of the existing draft Policy Statement 
and the new proposed draft 

 
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7. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
8. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
9. MINUTES 
9.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated March 26, 2024 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of March 
26, 2024 were adopted. 
9.2 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record Dated March 26, 2024 (for Receipt) 
Received for information. 
9.3 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report Dated May 2024 
Received for information. 
10. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
10.1 Follow-up Action List Dated May 2024 
Received for information.  
11. DELEGATIONS 
11.1 Saturna Island Residents and Ratepayers Association - Proposal to update two Bylaws 
(10 min presentation) 
Robert Alloway, representing the Saturna Island Residents & Ratepayers Association, 
outlined a proposal to make the following changes to Saturna Island Bylaws: 
1) To allow secondary suites in all areas of Saturna Island provided they have 
the same water catchment systems that are currently required for properties 
located in the East Point Water Management Area, and 
2) To remove the clause in the Land Use Bylaw that restricts multiple family 
residential zoning to that which provides “affordable, senior or special need 
housing”. 
Comments were made about how Saturna has an aging population and it is difficult to 
find housing for service providers. Discussion ensued. Some members of the public 
expressed support for the proposal; one community member suggested more 
discussion be held within the community before moving forward and expressed concern 
the proposed changes may negatively impact the water supply. 
It was noted that discussion of these proposals will be included as part of the Local 
Trust Committee’s Minor Project that includes a review of Schedule C, a review of 
Schedule E, and a review of multi-family development zoning. 
12. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 

 
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13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
13.1 SA-RZ-2023.2 (Thachuk) - Proposed Bylaws 140 and 141 – Post Public Hearing Staff 
Report 
Island Planner Smith reviewed the Staff Report regarding SA-RZ-2023.2 (Thachuk).  
 
SA-2024-022 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 141, cited as “Saturna 
Island Land Use Bylaw No. 119, 2018, Amendment No. 2, 2023” be amended to 
restrict the floor area of the residence located at 100 Payne Road to a maximum 
of 92.9 m
2
. 
 
Discussion on the motion arose and comments were made that Trustees must 
take care not to create precedent through spot zoning. 
CARRIED 
 
SA-2024-023 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 140, cited as “Saturna 
Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 70, 2000, Amendment No. 1, 2023” be 
read a third time. 
CARRIED  
SA-2024-024 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 141, cited as “Saturna 
Island Land Use Bylaw No. 119, 2018, Amendment No. 2, 2023” be read a third 
time, as amended. 
CARRIED  
 
SA-2024-025 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee proposed Bylaw No. 140 and No. 141 
be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for Executive Committee 
approval. 
CARRIED  
SA-2024-026 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee proposed Bylaw No. 140 be 
forwarded to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs for Ministerial approval after 
Executive Committee approval. 
CARRIED  
 
  

 
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13.2 Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Draft Bylaw No. 193 (for Response) 
 
SA-2024-027 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by the 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw No. 193. 
CARRIED  
 
13.3 SA-ALR-2023.1 (Hall) - Submission Update 
Island Planner Smith provided an update on SA-ALR-2023.1 (Hall) and noted the 
applications have been submitted to the Agricultural Land Commission.  
 
14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
14.1 Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Draft Fees Bylaw No. 142 – Staff Report – 
Consideration of Adoption 
Discussion was held about the proposed Fees Bylaw and potential alternatives to 
reduce costs for newspaper advertising. Comments were made that Saturna Island 
Trustees wanted to align fees with that of the rest of the Trust Area for administrative 
purposes. 
SA-2024-028 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 142, cited as “Saturna 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2023”, be adopted. 
CARRIED  
 
14.2 Minor Housing Amendments Review Project – Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith reviewed the Staff Report regarding the Minor Housing 
Amendments Review Project. Discussion was held about how proposed changes in 
particular with the Multi-family Residential zoning may or may not conflict with policies 
in the Official Community Plan. Comments were made about how initiating the project 
review would allow for analysis and community consultation so the Local Trust 
Committee will then have a better idea of what changes might be made to zoning and 
whether or not they may trigger amendments to the Official Community Plan. 
 
SA-2024-029 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee endorse the attached project charter 
for the Minor Housing Amendments Review Project. 
CARRIED  
 
  

 
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SA-2024-030 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a community 
information meeting for the Minor Housing Amendments Review Project at the 
July 18, 2024 LTC meeting. 
CARRIED  
 
Members of the public were encouraged to view the Islands Trust Housing Options 
Toolkit available online at https://islandstrust.bc.ca/document/housing-options-toolkit-
tools-1-10/   
 
 
15. REPORTS 
15.1 Work Program Reports 
15.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated May 2024 
Received for information.   
15.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated May 2024 
Received for information.  
Comments were made that the only remaining item on the Future Projects 
Report is the Groundwater Sustainability Project. Discussion was held about 
whether Shoreline Policy Review should be added to the Future Projects list. The 
following comments were made: 
 The shoreline policy that is currently being used in the Saturna Island 
Land Use Bylaw is vague, and was inherited by the Capital Regional 
District in 1974 
 Review of the shoreline policy should not become a huge project and 
not necessarily be up to the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee to 
address on its own 
 It is important to respect staff time that should be focused on the 
current conservation applications 
 The top priorities of the Regional Planning Committee are housing 
action plans, freshwater strategy, and bylaw enforcement; shoreline 
policy is a potential project 
 Trustees agreed to update the Future Projects list to add Shoreline 
Policy Review as an item of interest 
 
A member of the public urged Trustees to facilitate the use of rainwater 
catchment as a valid means of providing potable water. Discussion was held 
about Standing Resolution 2021-007: That the Saturna LTC endorses the use of 
potable rain water catchment systems as proof of adequate potable water for 
residential subdivision, subject to the withholding of temporary or final 
occupancy permits until such catchment systems are in place.  
 

 
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Comments were made about how a standing resolution is advocacy from the 
Local Trust Committee to the provincial approving officer to allow something to 
occur; the Local Trust Committee could choose to add water standards to 
subdivision regulations so that the approving officer would instead apply those 
regulations rather then establishing its own standard in the absence of 
regulations; an approving officer is under obligation to consider bylaws.  
 
Comments were made that further discussion of this topic could be part of the 
housing review in which the Local Trust Committee could establish bylaw 
conditions. 
 
15.2 Applications Report Dated May 2024 
Received for information. 
15.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated March 2024 
Received for information. 
15.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
15.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
15.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated April 2024 
Received for information. 
16. NEW BUSINESS 
16.1 2023/24 Annual Report – Request for Decision 
Discussion was held about whether the proposed text should be amended to note that 
more than 50 percent of the Saturna Island Local Trust Area is protected. 
Trustees agreed to amend the text to say “Over fifty percent of the Saturna Island Local 
Trust Area is protected...” and to add Samuel Island to the list of associated islands in 
the Saturna Island Local Trust Area.   
 
SA-2024-031 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee approves the attached text for 
inclusion in the 2023/24 Annual Report for approval as amended by Trust 
Council and submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs. 
CARRIED  
 
16.2 Advisory Planning Commission Referral – Discussion 
Discussion was held about the need for the Advisory Planning Commission to address 
general difficulties with road conditions. 

 
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Comments were made that the Islands Trust should work with Owen Page, Area 
Manager for Saturna Island with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, to 
outline a scope of work and to create a communication schedule.  
Trustee Boland commented that the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure has 
agreed to a pre-budget meeting with Trustees each year in February. She invited 
community members to email her with comments to be shared with the Advisory 
Planning Commission. 
 
17. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
17.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for July 18, 2024 at the Saturna Recreation and 
Cultural Centre, Saturna Island 
18. TOWN HALL  
Town hall was held and the following comments were made: 
 Trustees were thanked for efforts made to deal with issues 
 Concern was expressed that building on one part of a stream may have repercussions 
downstream 
 Rules, regulations and bureaucracy make life almost untenable on the island, and slow 
development of the community should not be impeded 
 The biggest threat to water on the island is poorly maintained septic systems and poorly 
maintained drainage around agricultural practices, and we need to make sure we have 
carefully directed water courses 
 
19. CLOSED MEETING (Distributed Under Separate Cover) 
19.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
SA-2024-032 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s. 90(1)(a) for the purpose of considering: 
(a) personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is 
being considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the 
municipality or another position appointed by the municipality; 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED  
 
19.2 Recall to Order 
Saturna Island Local Trust Committee reported that Jon Spalding has been appointed to 
the Board of Variance and Carly Bilney has been appointed secretary for the Advisory 
Planning Commission. 
  

 
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20. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:47 p.m. 
 
_________________________ 
David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
_________________________ 
Carly Bilney, Recorder