Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, June 27, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 14: Good morning, everyone.

[0:00:14] Voice 14: Thank

[0:00:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): you, everybody. Welcome to the Gabriela and Loma Tuas Committee meeting. Really terrific

[0:00:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): to see such a great turnout here today, and I'm gathering led to believe that you've

[0:00:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): a lot longer mud islanders yes so that's fantastic it's really great to see you all here

[0:00:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so um and i'm presuming that and you'll have to help me here i'm presuming that many of you

[0:00:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): are representing micah or mud island community association and really glad to hear this news

[0:00:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): about the formation of the group and the work that you're doing and the interest that you're

[0:00:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): bringing here today and certainly we're looking forward i'm looking forward to this discussion

[0:00:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seeing how we can work together in the future here now.

[0:01:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): And congratulations on the car cleanup.

[0:01:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): I watched the video twice, actually.

[0:01:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Fantastic.

[0:01:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): When you see things like this happen on islands, it's fantastic.

[0:01:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): And apparently, the person in the car.

[0:01:14] Voice 6: We don't know what it's all about.

[0:01:16] Voice 6: The jump vehicle cleanup.

[0:01:17] Voice 6: Oh, the jump.

[0:01:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Fantastic.

[0:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's all I can say.

[0:01:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura led the charge here.

[0:01:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's a lot.

[0:01:26] Voice 4: Had a lot of help.

[0:01:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anyway, I'm Peter Lockham. I'm elected on Thetis Island, and I'm pleased and privileged and honored to be the appointed chair of the Gabrielle Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm also the chair of the Islands Trust Council, so I've got depth and breadth of experience around the islands.

[0:01:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): When I see amazing things, it's for real. I see amazing things, and that's something that I've seen here today, or this past couple of years.

[0:01:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to start with introductions. I'm going to start on my right-hand side here

[0:01:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): with Trustee Elliott.

[0:01:59] Voice 4: Hello. Good morning, everyone. I'm Squale. I'm Toby Elliott,

[0:02:03] Voice 4: elected here on Gabriel Island, and I'm very pleased to see all of you here.

[0:02:08] Voice 4: Lots to say, but I'll wait for my trustee to reply.

[0:02:11] Voice 14: Okay. Susan Hanks.

[0:02:13] Voice 4: Oh, good morning,

[0:02:14] Voice 4: everyone. I'm also happy to see you here. And I would like to say that I am so privileged to be

[0:02:22] Voice 4: working in the territory and i never forget that

[0:02:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): then that's a great regional director thank you

[0:02:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): for joining us today hi

[0:02:31] Voice 4: i'm i'm the one out here um i'm always welcomed by the trust council so

[0:02:36] Voice 4: i appreciate that i'm going to create i'm with the regional district when i was elected to represent

[0:02:41] Voice 4: gabriel imagine the person at the rdn and i thank the council for inviting me just to give a little

[0:02:48] Voice 4: will update every time and to listen in okay

[0:02:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for your report sent to us by email

[0:02:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's fantastic so um i wanted to call the meeting to order and as i do that i absolutely want to

[0:03:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): acknowledge that we're honored and privileged to i personally to wake up every day here in

[0:03:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): territory and recognize and see before me the uh um this place which is has an incredible rich

[0:03:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): rich history. Not all of it is joyful. There's lots of sadness and grief, and we need to

[0:03:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): recognize that, and we need to move forward for a better future together. And I'm proud

[0:03:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the work the Alliance Trust is doing in that respect. So I'm grateful to be here today.

[0:03:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm just going to ask for if there's any additions or deletions to the agenda today

[0:03:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): before we approve the agenda.

[0:03:36] Voice 4: Nothing to add, but considering there's so many people from much here, would we maybe

[0:03:43] Voice 4: think about moving 12.1 the report on final compliance and enforcement policy if jordan

[0:03:48] Voice 4: is able to appear earlier sure

[0:03:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's some specific discussion on much

[0:03:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): that makes a lot of sense so i i think i'll turn to step on stephen to see if we can determine

[0:04:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): whether or not warren would be available earlier he may have some other site visit to make sure

[0:04:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): he's doing i'll send him a note right now and just just ask him to come as soon as he did

[0:04:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): for them okay and then so we'll plan accordingly and um that would be terrific in the meantime we'll

[0:04:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): begin and um and see where we are so thank you for that recommendation um anything from anybody else

[0:04:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): no just

[0:04:28] Voice 4: a really good question as to whether under the reports section we would ever want

[0:04:34] Voice 4: a separate section reports on trust council i know myself and probably trustee elliott too

[0:04:41] Voice 4: i'll be saying something for the most recent trust council

[0:04:45] Voice 4: kind of a big deal and i don't know if we want anything separate

[0:04:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and um as i mentioned earlier to you when you talk about that i think that what is missing is

[0:04:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): the highlights report which comes from council which because council met only a

[0:05:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): week and a half ago are not available to us yet but it's something that on a

[0:05:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): regular basis we could include and that would maybe help me with that reporting

[0:05:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): did you have any specific suggestion no

[0:05:16] Voice 4: other than the highlights would be great

[0:05:18] Voice 4: I talk about my own highlights and keep them as brief as possible okay

[0:05:28] Voice 4: i'm just wondering who would do that

[0:05:30] Voice 15: well

[0:05:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's use the existing trust council highlights report

[0:05:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): that is already done because otherwise it's another piece of work that

[0:05:42] Voice 3: was my concern

[0:05:43] Voice 3: and

[0:05:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we come from executive committee and it's published on the website already

[0:05:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): it'd be easy to bring that into the gabrielle local trust committee agenda right so that

[0:05:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): that Gabrielians and Mudge Islanders can all see them.

[0:05:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): That would be my suggestion.

[0:05:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm gonna then maybe suggest, Stephen,

[0:06:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): we could just amend that agenda under reports

[0:06:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): to have trust council highlights

[0:06:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): quarterly when available.

[0:06:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you need a motion to that?

[0:06:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes, I would.

[0:06:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, so I'm gonna move then

[0:06:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that the future Gabrielle Island Local Trust Committee agendas

[0:06:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): be amended to include the Trust Council Highlights Report

[0:06:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): from quarterly meetings.

[0:06:32] Voice 4: I'll second that.

[0:06:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Move.

[0:06:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Seconded.

[0:06:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any further discussion?

[0:06:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): No?

[0:06:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[0:06:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): I carried.

[0:06:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[0:06:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): There we go.

[0:06:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Made it so.

[0:06:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let's just roll the clock back a bit here.

[0:06:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): I made a mistake, because let's adopt the agenda as presented by General Consent, and

[0:07:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): then let this motion follow the adoption of the agenda.

[0:07:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): As amended.

[0:07:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Did you amend the agenda for a qualified class?

[0:07:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, but because of the timing, we would just adjust the reporting to meet.

[0:07:16] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:07:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[0:07:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): so then we'll approve the agenda as um as presented by general consent we're going to

[0:07:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): go directly to reports and this is our trustee local trust area reports um who would like to

[0:07:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): go first thank

[0:07:32] Voice 4: you uh we have a lot to report on and i will be as brief as possible but i don't

[0:07:38] Voice 4: want to ignore anything because all of these webinars and meetings that i attend help inform

[0:07:45] Voice 4: form all of the decisions that I make as a trustee at the local trust committee level

[0:07:50] Voice 4: and council. So I think I'm just going to try to group them together according to subject.

[0:07:58] Voice 4: I'm going to do the Islands Trust Conservancy first. I am elected to be on the board of the

[0:08:07] Voice 4: Islands Trust Conservancy. Trustee Elliott is also on the Conservancy, which is a real boon,

[0:08:12] Voice 4: So last night, there was a webinar on species at risk, and that was coordinated with the

[0:08:23] Voice 4: Honest Trust Conservancy and the Trust Programs Committee.

[0:08:26] Voice 4: It was a great webinar.

[0:08:28] Voice 4: There were three speakers, one from Canadian Wildlife Service, one from the Ministry of

[0:08:35] Voice 4: Environment, and we had our director of planning, Stephanie Cermak, who was just great.

[0:08:42] Voice 4: we have 27 species at risk terrestrial in the trust area that does not include marine species

[0:08:48] Voice 4: like the southern resident killer whale and it's part of our job to do everything we can to protect

[0:08:55] Voice 4: those ecosystems where those species live and we we rely even as human beings we rely on the help

[0:09:04] Voice 4: of those ecosystems they provide services to us carbon storage water retention climate regulation

[0:09:12] Voice 4: So, in the trust area, a lot of land is in private hands, so in order to do preservation

[0:09:20] Voice 4: and protection, we have to get a lot of cooperation from the landowners.

[0:09:26] Voice 4: And the way we do that is through some of the programs like, for example, covenants

[0:09:33] Voice 4: on special areas for protection, or the Nature Stewards Program, for example, that the NS

[0:09:39] Voice 4: Trust Conservancy helps to do support. So I'm just going to focus on the main

[0:09:47] Voice 4: things that the trustees can do that Director of Planning Sarah Mack

[0:09:55] Voice 4: emphasized. One of them is really big. It's our Trust Policy Statement. What do

[0:10:00] Voice 4: we have in the Trust Policy Statement, which is supposed to be the guiding

[0:10:04] Voice 4: document for all of our OCPs, what do we have in there that ensures that we

[0:10:08] Voice 4: protect species at risk. The next one is the Honest Trust strategic plan. Same thing. The

[0:10:15] Voice 4: local trust committee work programs. How do we support the Honest Trust conservancy as

[0:10:21] Voice 4: trustees and the public? And what I really liked what he said was make good resolutions

[0:10:30] Voice 4: and vote. And interestingly, Planner Ceremak said basically the planners for the trust

[0:10:39] Voice 4: urban are re-planners because most of the land has already been designated so it's a lot of

[0:10:48] Voice 4: re-planning and sometimes it's really hard to to do the preserve and protect unless you have a lot

[0:10:56] Voice 4: of operation from landholders so it was very useful very glad to attend last night

[0:11:04] Voice 4: next thing relating to islands trust conservancy was the nature reserve monitoring that's done

[0:11:12] Voice 4: every year in the spring and summer on all of the trust islands on may 31st it was give you a look

[0:11:19] Voice 4: and we have three nature reserves and trustee elliott

[0:11:23] Voice 4: attended as well for some of that

[0:11:25] Voice 4: monitoring one of them is burns acres one of them is shall we spray and the other one is the

[0:11:32] Voice 4: coat smell stove. So even though Burns Acres is only five acres it has a remarkable variety of

[0:11:40] Voice 4: little mini ecosystems and that was that was put into conservation by a private landowner

[0:11:48] Voice 4: on Fabriola who decided that she wanted those five acres to have special protection.

[0:11:56] Voice 4: So that's a really good example of how private landowners can help with the preserve and

[0:12:03] Voice 4: protect.

[0:12:03] Voice 4: It was a great day.

[0:12:05] Voice 4: It took all day, right until three o'clock, to do some of the monitoring.

[0:12:09] Voice 4: And something that was really helpful was to see how much the Invasive Species Committee

[0:12:18] Voice 4: of GALT on Gabriela, how much good their work has done with pulling broom, pulling Daphne,

[0:12:26] Voice 4: me removing holly and finally getting rid of these two gorse plants that took two years of

[0:12:32] Voice 4: sawing and chipping to get rid of them before

[0:12:35] Voice 4: they took over so that was a great day it's really nice

[0:12:38] Voice 4: to actually do the work on and see the results so on this trust uh conservancy board meeting

[0:12:48] Voice 4: we had may 28th we had a board meeting now that board meeting our members across the salish sea

[0:12:56] Voice 4: from Trust Council. They live in several unceded ancestral Coast Salish territories, and one of us

[0:13:04] Voice 4: always gives a land acknowledgement, and this time it was Lisa Goldgrove from Galliano Island,

[0:13:10] Voice 4: which is in the Pahulukuminum language. She reminded us during her land acknowledgement

[0:13:16] Voice 4: that nature is not just about resources, and I reflect on that a lot, especially this time of

[0:13:23] Voice 4: year when I'm out in the woods with children from school doing field trips and looking at all the

[0:13:29] Voice 4: berry bushes which are incredibly important to First Nations culture and livelihood.

[0:13:38] Voice 4: Lisa Gover also reminded us that the natural world is the basis for our health and our well-being.

[0:13:46] Voice 4: At that meeting, Senior Indigenous Relations Advisor Joe Elliott attended and he told us

[0:13:53] Voice 4: some of his ancestral history and we found that fascinating all the way from chief sale in the

[0:14:00] Voice 4: place we now call seattle to the zumindest first nation so he also has a wealth and breadth of

[0:14:06] Voice 4: knowledge that he brings to us as an advisor and something i wanted to mention also is the

[0:14:14] Voice 4: island's trust conservancy does an annual report every year and this year the chair risa smith

[0:14:21] Voice 4: made a special note of all the local conservancies across the trust area and what great work they do

[0:14:29] Voice 4: for preserving and protecting. Just for an example, the Island Trust Conservancy basically

[0:14:37] Voice 4: approved a fund to help pay Bowen Island Conservancy to help them do a formal appraisal

[0:14:46] Voice 4: of the fair market value for the 24 lots at cape roger curtis on bowen where i've been it is a very

[0:14:55] Voice 4: sensitive ecosystem area with great conservation value and it is at risk of imminent development

[0:15:02] Voice 4: or sale by metro vancouver so a little bit of financial assistance that the conservancy was

[0:15:09] Voice 4: able to give to that local conservancy it's going to make a big difference

[0:15:13] Voice 8: on

[0:15:16] Voice 4: the fairy advisory committee because i'm on that i will try to keep it really quick

[0:15:21] Voice 4: um at the june 11th meeting of the gabriel fairy advisory committee um we talked about the

[0:15:30] Voice 4: shutdown of the two terminals that's going to happen to birth next spring when they do their

[0:15:40] Voice 4: first upgrade we're not talking about any upland upgrades that we've been begging for as far as

[0:15:47] Voice 4: safety like sidewalks and crosswalks and lights and you know paths up to the village we're talking

[0:15:56] Voice 4: about total shutdown of the Nanaimo and the Gabriola terminals while they do their upgrades

[0:16:03] Voice 4: and they estimate that will be April and May of 20, it's actually 2026, and there will

[0:16:13] Voice 4: be no ferry, as we know it. I don't even want to joke about that right now.

[0:16:23] Voice 4: We know what it's like going to Green War. We've done that before in the past, but that

[0:16:28] Voice 4: was only like a third of the population that they aren't in. So another interesting workshop

[0:16:35] Voice 4: I attended a couple of nights ago. What night was that? I don't even know. It was this week,

[0:16:41] Voice 4: earlier this week. And this was a community workshop. So not just fairy advisory commission,

[0:16:47] Voice 4: it was Gabriel's, Marjana's, whoever wanted to, that was from DeForsy. And it was basically

[0:16:55] Voice 4: busy ferries showing us how they have responded to our constant request for safety changes at the

[0:17:05] Voice 4: terminals for example things like please don't make us wait out on on the terminal avenue in the

[0:17:13] Voice 4: in the boiling sun for three ferry waits because you will not fill that lot well like so like that's

[0:17:23] Voice 4: just nuts and they had excuses like well we have to do the count and like we can see you doing the

[0:17:28] Voice 4: count you count them as loading onto the vehicle you can still build a lot so we had some pretty

[0:17:34] Voice 4: tense discussions about that um yeah um and and just yeah so it was mainly about the safety issues

[0:17:46] Voice 4: and it also included a good talk about additional dangerous cargo sailing dangerous wind sailing

[0:17:52] Voice 4: on Fridays to provide additional capacity because we've had some really

[0:17:57] Voice 4: sticky situations where businesses are getting a lot of that depend on that

[0:18:02] Voice 4: dangerous cargo sailing are not getting their fuel and that's nuts so what that

[0:18:07] Voice 4: will require however is us a regular public giving up a sailing for dangerous

[0:18:13] Voice 4: cargo so we talked about that well what if there isn't a dangerous cargo what

[0:18:17] Voice 4: if they book but they don't show up can you sail it as a regular sailing so

[0:18:22] Voice 4: So possibly, anyway, all that kind of thing, all the things we've been asking for.

[0:18:30] Voice 4: Well, I've got a giant big zero here.

[0:18:34] Voice 4: What being married is working on.

[0:18:37] Voice 4: However, we keep trying.

[0:18:40] Voice 4: And there's, yes, the shift in the schedule for to accommodate the busy, busy summer traffic.

[0:18:47] Voice 4: So the shift in the schedule is something we've asked for.

[0:18:51] Voice 4: what it's going to mean and they they're going to do it they said they're going to do it

[0:18:56] Voice 4: fridays from july 5th to august 30th the morning sailings will be replaced by two afternoon sailings

[0:19:03] Voice 4: so we're not getting any extra sailings they're just going to shift the schedule

[0:19:08] Voice 4: and then monday august 12th to friday august 16th they're going to try that again for the whole week

[0:19:15] Voice 4: not just Fridays and see what happens. So it means no 7.05 from Descanso, no 7.35

[0:19:24] Voice 4: from Nanaimo and then an extra sailing 5.40 from Nanaimo and 6.15 from Descanso.

[0:19:32] Voice 4: And that's because in the summertime the traffic at the end of the day is, that's

[0:19:37] Voice 4: when we get those three sailing waves with people sitting out all the way down

[0:19:42] Voice 4: of the Hulot Ferry and the helicopter and thought they're sitting in their vehicles not being able

[0:19:47] Voice 4: to move, not being able to get out of their cars because they don't know when the line is going to

[0:19:51] Voice 4: move. Peter's silent is so much easier even though well

[0:19:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): until the bus back into the shelter. I know

[0:19:58] Voice 4: which I saw a week ago. We

[0:20:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): have our own issues.

[0:20:03] Voice 4: That's right. Still a lovely, wise person.

[0:20:07] Voice 4: The Financial Planning Committee.

[0:20:09] Voice 4: Again, it's just kind of unusual

[0:20:11] Voice 4: that both Trustee Elliott and I

[0:20:13] Voice 4: are both on the Financial Planning Committee,

[0:20:15] Voice 4: but I'm really glad that we are

[0:20:16] Voice 4: because we really know how to advocate

[0:20:19] Voice 4: for all the right things

[0:20:20] Voice 4: for our local trust committee

[0:20:22] Voice 4: and for trust control.

[0:20:24] Voice 4: So just very briefly,

[0:20:25] Voice 4: we have two clean audits

[0:20:27] Voice 4: for the Islands Trust

[0:20:28] Voice 4: and the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[0:20:31] Voice 4: And that reflects really well

[0:20:33] Voice 4: on the financial planning team

[0:20:34] Voice 4: team and the director Julia Moss. So yay for that. Okay on to um I'm just about done two more things

[0:20:45] Voice 4: but we had so many meetings this past month. Highlights of Trust Council. I'm sticking to two

[0:20:52] Voice 4: because it's a three-day meeting and there were several highlights. It was our 50th anniversary

[0:20:58] Voice 4: street of the island's trust and i felt a little bit sad that we haven't accomplished more but a

[0:21:06] Voice 4: little bit happy that we're still there and um one of well one of the highlights was hearing from

[0:21:12] Voice 4: adam wilson the mla for sanich and the north islands and then i heard this morning that he's

[0:21:19] Voice 4: retiring and i felt really really sad he is an incredible advocate for the whole island's trust

[0:21:26] Voice 4: area, not just his own. So that makes me sad. So highlight number one, Bill Henderson singing

[0:21:33] Voice 4: the praises of the Islands Trust in the delegations. And it was so beautiful. He still has a lovely

[0:21:40] Voice 4: voice after all these years. He was main singer for Chilliwack. He was there and he really

[0:21:47] Voice 4: supports the trust. So that made me pretty happy. Another highlight for me was a unanimous

[0:21:56] Voice 4: council vote which never happens on the dark sky initiative so we'll be pursuing that and we had

[0:22:04] Voice 4: a presentation a few months ago from a local fellow here in gabriel on urging us to do that

[0:22:09] Voice 4: very thing so that made me really happy too yay for unanimous vote on that so my last item is

[0:22:15] Voice 4: something we get at every trust council meeting it's a quarterly legislative monitoring report

[0:22:21] Voice 4: sounds boring it's not and the reason it's not is because of the way it's

[0:22:27] Voice 4: organized so that we can make the best use of it what's planned legislation

[0:22:32] Voice 4: what's the legislation in process what's new legislation in effect and how does

[0:22:38] Voice 4: that affect the Islands Trust so again I just picked two from this list

[0:22:44] Voice 4: super easy list to go through the way it's organized so two good ones just to

[0:22:51] Voice 4: give you an example protect the southern resident killer whale initiative that's been going on for

[0:22:59] Voice 4: some time now so our reaction is not only did we watch that but we have we appoint one of our

[0:23:07] Voice 4: trustees from council to transport canada's general vessels technical working group i

[0:23:13] Voice 4: believe we appointed michaela baroni from the skiddy and then a alternate right

[0:23:20] Voice 4: So that's one that would be in the highlights or not and the other one that I wanted to mention

[0:23:30] Voice 4: here is Western Canada Wilderness Committee versus Environment Canada. In the court case

[0:23:43] Voice 4: that determined that the marble muralette and endangered species requires more protection

[0:23:49] Voice 4: than what the federal government was going to give it and that to me is really important because it

[0:23:55] Voice 4: means that we have more responsibility to do that and so does the province and it's the ruling

[0:24:02] Voice 4: provides clarity to decision makers at all levels of government in Canada regarding better habitat

[0:24:08] Voice 4: protection for migratory birds so what do what's in the column of how we react to that what's in

[0:24:16] Voice 4: in our column is that we hired a biologist.

[0:24:18] Voice 4: We finally have a biologist on staff.

[0:24:21] Voice 3: Yay.

[0:24:23] Voice 4: That's the end of my report.

[0:24:25] Voice 4: I know it's long, but it informs all of the work that I do.

[0:24:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Change it into the meeting online.

[0:24:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): I've noted that the internet seems to be not working.

[0:24:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): I've tried to remedy that.

[0:24:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

[0:24:41] Voice 4: Yeah, no problem.

[0:24:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's not good.

[0:24:43] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:24:43] Voice 4: Yeah, although

[0:24:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): they're probably happy

[0:24:45] Voice 4: to miss all that.

[0:24:50] Voice 14: There

[0:24:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): seems to be something up with the internet.

[0:24:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): I can't connect either on my phone,

[0:24:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): or on the internet in this hall, so I don't know.

[0:24:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you have it in that connection?

[0:25:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah,

[0:25:00] Voice 5: it's streaming.

[0:25:02] Voice 5: Chair Luckman?

[0:25:04] Voice 5: Yes?

[0:25:06] Voice 5: We are streaming and recording, and I can see you, so...

[0:25:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so maybe it's just in this hall that we're having a problem.

[0:25:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Maybe the streaming is taking up all the bandwidth.

[0:25:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so that's an outside participant watching.

[0:25:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, that's an outside participant.

[0:25:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, that's right.

[0:25:24] Voice 2: No, the guy

[0:25:25] Voice 2: I was referring to.

[0:25:26] Voice 2: From much?

[0:25:27] Voice 2: He's got on three different computers.

[0:25:28] Voice 4: Oh, okay.

[0:25:29] Voice 4: And

[0:25:29] Voice 2: he's a techie guy, so.

[0:25:30] Voice 2: So

[0:25:31] Voice 4: he'll be okay?

[0:25:32] Voice 15: No,

[0:25:32] Voice 2: it's something to do with your website, you see.

[0:25:35] Voice 1: He said it's in their site.

[0:25:37] Voice 1: Yeah.

[0:25:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll check that out.

[0:25:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, Lisa, perhaps you can investigate that piece coming in.

[0:25:45] Voice 5: I can speak to it.

[0:25:46] Voice 5: You're welcome.

[0:25:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm sorry?

[0:25:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): I can speak to it.

[0:25:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): One person speaking at a time.

[0:25:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's Lisa.

[0:25:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Lisa, go ahead.

[0:25:57] Voice 5: The in-person meetings, members of the public do not have access to the in-person meetings unless they are invited through staff with a link.

[0:26:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): no but the streaming should be happening yes

[0:26:12] Voice 5: yeah it

[0:26:14] Voice 15: is working for it is one person who's

[0:26:16] Voice 15: watching that i know okay but

[0:26:18] Voice 15: i'm not sure do

[0:26:23] Voice 6: they have the right link

[0:26:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know i'm going to

[0:26:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): continue with the meeting um apologies to those that can't see it and we post it later for

[0:26:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): for viewing for sure.

[0:26:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee report, so thank you for your report, Susan.

[0:26:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Toby Alley.

[0:26:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[0:26:45] Voice 4: So going back almost a month,

[0:26:48] Voice 4: right after our local trust committee meeting,

[0:26:50] Voice 4: the regional planning committee met on May 24th.

[0:26:54] Voice 4: And just to briefly note that we amended the project charter

[0:26:57] Voice 4: for the bylaw enforcement project

[0:26:59] Voice 4: project to add the staff-initiated item, which we see on our agenda today, the By-law Compliance

[0:27:05] Voice 4: and Enforcement Policy.

[0:27:07] Voice 4: So Warren noted in that meeting that it seems to be we are behind other local governments.

[0:27:15] Voice 4: There's just like, I don't know why it didn't occur to us, but this was really missing.

[0:27:20] Voice 4: And so I'm really pleased that staff brought that forward and sort of took the initiative

[0:27:26] Voice 4: initiative to have a much clearer policy, which you'll see on the agenda today.

[0:27:32] Voice 4: So specific sections for other islands and associated islands and the LTC.

[0:27:37] Voice 4: And so I know that's advanced.

[0:27:39] Voice 4: But anyway, we can talk about that.

[0:27:43] Voice 4: I'll talk a little bit about some reconciliation community work that's been going on behind

[0:27:47] Voice 4: the scenes and has come to fruition.

[0:27:49] Voice 4: um tomorrow there's an event on gabriela um at sumi lutsen which is twin beaches

[0:27:59] Voice 4: and everyone's invited um it's a fundraiser for the manakunu family and it's a bit

[0:28:07] Voice 4: reconciliation is not a straight path it's really about building relationship

[0:28:11] Voice 4: and so i it just happened i attended some hulking and language classes in nanaimo

[0:28:17] Voice 4: one led by the name of elder gary manson and we developed a bit of a connection and he said hey

[0:28:23] Voice 4: would the gabriel community be interested in fundraising for uh to support our youth going

[0:28:29] Voice 4: on tribal journeys and i didn't know much about that but if an elder asks you something um you

[0:28:35] Voice 4: say yes and even if you're terrible at organizing events like me um you do your best and so we are

[0:28:43] Voice 4: having this wonderful event the gabriola and much community vendors stepped up we've got some raffle

[0:28:49] Voice 4: baskets and lots of pre-registrations to actually go out in in a paddle in their journey canoes

[0:28:55] Voice 4: so the tribal journey is an annual cultural event they leave their community and travel

[0:29:01] Voice 4: down and visit the community for around 10 days and they all end up in one place

[0:29:07] Voice 4: Puyallup Washington is the destination and so yeah it was a wonderful opportunity. Gabriel

[0:29:14] Voice 4: is super excited and so we're going to welcome the journey canoes or about 17, 18 man canoes

[0:29:21] Voice 4: and actually take people out on a paddle so there's going to be a lot of them.

[0:29:27] Voice 4: I did attend the mud bylaw and enforcement education session on June 25th that was

[0:29:32] Voice 4: was really informative wasn't able to go to the first one um i learned a lot especially about the

[0:29:39] Voice 4: aspects of the much land use bylaw that are very um shall we say restrictive and don't seem to

[0:29:49] Voice 4: be a match with some of the other land use bylaws and so i'm really glad that we're

[0:29:55] Voice 4: addressing that in an open manner and we seem to be moving forward

[0:30:00] Voice 4: just recognizing that some things were uh probably onerous right and uh there is a very large

[0:30:07] Voice 4: percentage of bylaw enforcement files open and the reason for that might be that land use bylaws

[0:30:13] Voice 4: have a touch so um moving on trust council meeting on salt spring island was lively um frankly lots

[0:30:24] Voice 4: lots of protesters which

[0:30:26] Voice 14: I

[0:30:27] Voice 4: did five years in Montreal at journalism school and we used to

[0:30:31] Voice 4: joke that there's a protest not just every day of the week but probably lunchtime afternoon and

[0:30:38] Voice 4: dinner time but this was like kind of refreshing it's it's when people are engaged and they care

[0:30:44] Voice 4: and they come out and show you I appreciate that a lot of people were saying get back to the

[0:30:50] Voice 4: mandate you know protect the environment and very strong language about that um for myself i i wanted

[0:30:58] Voice 4: to understand conditions on salt spring a bit more so i reached out to a young man who hadn't been

[0:31:04] Voice 4: able to attend trust council to address us but wanted to because he works during the day and i

[0:31:10] Voice 4: ended up going on a tour of the island and seeing a lot of the unregulated and illegal trailer parks

[0:31:16] Voice 4: concepts honestly and heard some absolutely heartbreaking stories of people living in

[0:31:23] Voice 4: conditions and extremely substandard housing because we have not been able to address that

[0:31:28] Voice 4: and so I really felt I got to see both sides people who you know we all want to see the

[0:31:35] Voice 4: environment protected we also need to develop policies so people can live here and they're

[0:31:40] Voice 4: working folks who service all of our lifestyles um can have a safe place to live so there's some

[0:31:47] Voice 4: really illuminating conversations and um but i thought was pretty heart-wrenching there's several

[0:31:53] Voice 4: first nations representatives who addressed us as well uh one from the penelope chief and council

[0:31:58] Voice 4: and frankly he said we're concerned about the state of the land um you know we harvest shellfish

[0:32:04] Voice 4: and don't feel great about, you know, the sewage being dumped in the harbors

[0:32:09] Voice 4: and effluent and people don't live aboard.

[0:32:12] Voice 4: So there's that tension, too, as First Nations are wanting to return to the land

[0:32:15] Voice 4: and exercise their rights to hunt and harvest the fishes formerly.

[0:32:20] Voice 4: We have to make sure that the ecosystems are productive

[0:32:25] Voice 4: and have that biodiversity that everyone is entitled to enjoy.

[0:32:31] Voice 4: There was a lawyer from West Coast Law giving us an update

[0:32:34] Voice 4: on the Sue Big Oil campaign, clarified that, and we're still in debate about this, they're asking

[0:32:42] Voice 4: for a pledge from all local governments of about a dollar per person to do a class action lawsuit

[0:32:48] Voice 4: against oil companies. The Islands Trust, it would only be 50 per cent per person because the

[0:32:55] Voice 4: regional district would put in another 50 cents and it would just be a pledge at this point. So

[0:33:00] Voice 4: So Trust Council is not yet decided if that's the course you want to take.

[0:33:04] Voice 4: So finally, I would encourage everyone to listen.

[0:33:10] Voice 4: If you can go back to 545 on Tuesday last week at Trust Council at MLA, Adam Olson's

[0:33:17] Voice 4: address was phenomenal.

[0:33:19] Voice 4: It was about 30 minutes.

[0:33:23] Voice 4: He understands the governance struggles in the Islands Trust area probably better than

[0:33:29] Voice 4: anyone else and he's been battling with ministers and cabinet and the premier to get some attention

[0:33:38] Voice 4: to the trust area for almost a decade i think he said he's attended 15 islands trust breakfasts

[0:33:44] Voice 4: half his constituency is in the islands trust area he really cares so this is sanich

[0:33:51] Voice 4: peninsula the province's responsibility is to update its statutes and it has not done that with

[0:33:58] Voice 4: the islands trust act it must update the act to ensure it is capable of achieving the goals of

[0:34:04] Voice 4: the communities and the object of the trust this province is solely responsible we can't do that

[0:34:10] Voice 4: ourselves so what trust council did rally around was like yes we need to do a call to the province

[0:34:15] Voice 4: to review the islands trust act and the governance structure and the funding structure we cannot

[0:34:21] Voice 4: actually accomplish what we're supposed to do and it's the province's responsibility so

[0:34:26] Voice 4: So I really encourage you to have a listen

[0:34:28] Voice 4: on that Tuesday evening address

[0:34:30] Voice 4: and really understand in the context

[0:34:33] Voice 4: of working for nations.

[0:34:36] Voice 4: And we just need the resources to do that

[0:34:38] Voice 4: because I feel like we're being set up

[0:34:41] Voice 4: for failure, to be honest.

[0:34:43] Voice 4: And I think that's a terrible note to end on.

[0:34:46] Voice 4: But back to Monica Du,

[0:34:48] Voice 4: we're doing some great things.

[0:34:49] Voice 4: Oh, and there is a Canada Day celebration

[0:34:52] Voice 4: at the museum, July 1st,

[0:34:54] Voice 4: which I know Trustee Gates,

[0:34:56] Voice 4: you'll be speaking out. I think I'll be there, Satasya, Elder Geraldine will be there,

[0:35:02] Voice 4: and Cupcakes. So please come out and join, it'll be fun.

[0:35:05] Voice 14: I'm sure

[0:35:07] Voice 4: there's other things, but I'll

[0:35:08] Voice 4: redo that. Thank you so much for talking about Ed Olson's address to us at Council,

[0:35:14] Voice 4: and that's probably why I feel such sadness at his retiring. He's such an advocate,

[0:35:20] Voice 4: it. And he said to go to that. So, yeah.

[0:35:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you, trustees. Space on the agenda for the

[0:35:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): chair's report. Don't have a lot to add to what you've already

[0:35:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): heard from your local trustees. But certainly First Council was

[0:35:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): the 50th anniversary acknowledgement of the First

[0:35:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Council established in 1974. And, and so it's important to

[0:35:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): recognize that certainly the islands are different and uh my my opinion better off than they would be

[0:35:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): if that was just had not been created and uh what's important to all of us at trust council

[0:36:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): is to make um island trust relevant to today and um certainly that's the work that we're seeing in

[0:36:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): our policy statement initiative reviewing our uh guiding principles document and that's a piece of

[0:36:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): work underway. We're also working towards a better corporate planning process so that there's

[0:36:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): more structure and accountability within the framework of how we actually govern financially

[0:36:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and manage the work that we need to undertake in the trust area. So that's ongoing. We've also

[0:36:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): and recently started a completely new process that we've not done before, which is committee

[0:36:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the whole. That's something that

[0:36:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): is practiced in municipalities and regional districts.

[0:36:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've not had that opportunity, so we've amended our bylaws to allow that, and the policy statement

[0:36:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): is the primary topic at this time that we're initiating, and so these are discussion-only

[0:36:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): meetings, no decision-making, and then Committee of the Whole makes recommendations to itself,

[0:37:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): to Trust Council, that are then debated decisions within public meeting context, and so that's

[0:37:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): exciting change in how we govern and looking forward to having more of those uh free sort of

[0:37:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): conversations about particular topics as other issues that are coming up that become apparent

[0:37:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): that would also benefit from using that tool um just mentioned briefly uh the cao uh hiring

[0:37:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee has been struck recently um because of the retirement of the ross hobson pillar our cao

[0:37:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): for the last eight years.

[0:37:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): He's certainly looking forward to retirement with his family.

[0:37:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And he has departed, will be departing at the end of this month.

[0:37:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): And in the process of hiring a new CAO,

[0:37:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): which we expect to take a few more months,

[0:37:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): we have appointed an interim CAO, and that's Julia Moss.

[0:37:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Some of you may know that name.

[0:37:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): She's presently the Director of Administrative Services,

[0:38:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): responsible for Finance and Human Resources,

[0:38:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): And is very well skilled and talented to be able to carry that role on in term while we're going through a hiring process.

[0:38:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): The hiring committee has hired a consultant to recruit for us, the CAO.

[0:38:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that posting has just gone out.

[0:38:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So if you're somebody that wants to be a CAO at an exciting, dynamic organization like the Allen's Trust, the opportunity is there.

[0:38:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): And you'll find that on our website as well as on Leaders International, who's the consultant

[0:38:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): that is out pursuing folks that might want to be the CEO for the Islanders Trust.

[0:38:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if I use Russ Hopson-Pillard's words, he's departing on the 50th anniversary of

[0:38:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Islanders Trust and is very much looking forward to what the next 50 years looks like,

[0:38:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): which is what the plan is for our official community plan, to aspire to what the future

[0:38:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): looks like here.

[0:38:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's it from me. I don't have anything else to report, and I'm going to go to Electoral Area Director Vanessa Cray to provide a summary report from possibly what you submitted to us on. Go ahead.

[0:39:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank

[0:39:11] Voice 4: you, and thank you again for inviting me. We use the Committee of the Whole, and it's a great thing to allow a reviewer of Westfield government to make recommendations.

[0:39:22] Voice 4: patients. A couple of things I'd like to highlight just for people to know is that we are moving

[0:39:29] Voice 4: forward with the health and well-being service. So we have got an RFSQ, a request for statements

[0:39:37] Voice 4: of qualifications out now for an organization to hold a contract with the RDN and then they

[0:39:46] Voice 4: they would be overseeing a coordinator position.

[0:39:50] Voice 4: So the posting is up now.

[0:39:51] Voice 4: There has been an addendum added.

[0:39:53] Voice 4: So if an organization out there is interested

[0:39:56] Voice 4: in having the contract, they should keep an eye on the space

[0:40:00] Voice 4: because the protocol is if any questions come in

[0:40:03] Voice 4: from organizations, the answers are always posted

[0:40:07] Voice 4: on the website, so all have the same information

[0:40:11] Voice 4: and it's shared equally.

[0:40:13] Voice 4: So the closing date is July 8th at the moment.

[0:40:16] Voice 4: and um I'm just sorry we're getting an EV charger finally it looks like there'll be a community call

[0:40:28] Voice 4: now so um it's taken a while but we've looked at a variety of locations and depending on the

[0:40:35] Voice 4: grind conditions which have loosened over time because it's been a few years now since this

[0:40:40] Voice 4: started um uh we needed a place that hopefully wasn't already serviced already had readily

[0:40:46] Voice 4: available electricity so yeah and there's nothing at the south end so we'll be putting a charger in

[0:40:52] Voice 4: at the community hall. RV living it's been big in the news that the RDN's been doing a bylaw update

[0:41:00] Voice 4: and I just wanted to to give a thanks to your leadership because actually we've been following

[0:41:07] Voice 4: on some of the work that you've been doing and putting in a temporary hiatus on bylaw enforcement

[0:41:14] Voice 4: under certain conditions with year-round RV living where it doesn't

[0:41:20] Voice 4: threaten the environment, they're septic properly, taking care of potable water

[0:41:24] Voice 4: and while we are working on various phases obviously that doesn't apply here

[0:41:30] Voice 4: it's in some other electoral areas but with the housing crisis it's requiring

[0:41:35] Voice 4: some flexibility in how we're thinking and pursuing. I know a lot of

[0:41:41] Voice 4: People are excited to know we're taking over all of our points as an RDN park managed by the park service. So we will be putting in new benches there.

[0:41:50] Voice 4: And not taking on a brickyard is a regular question. We're looking at expanded yard waste collection in the organic part. And so there's a lot of interest in people being able to

[0:42:02] Voice 4: fire smart more and having bigger bins to put that in but uh so there'll be a survey coming

[0:42:08] Voice 4: out in the fall to better understand how people use it and this um addition would actually sound

[0:42:13] Voice 4: like it would be opt-in so you don't necessarily have to um have that option but i think on our

[0:42:19] Voice 4: in our community um there's a lot of interest in fire smarting and being able to get rid of

[0:42:24] Voice 4: more materials even even beyond composting in your backyard so that's still a good question

[0:42:31] Voice 4: to director greg often individual households are often as a because that's yet to be determined

[0:42:36] Voice 4: well it would it would be either it's either by electoral area or um individuals and my thought

[0:42:43] Voice 4: isn't it's going to be similar to the waste card so the amount that you pay is determined on the

[0:42:49] Voice 4: size of your waste card and so i think it might be along those lines but that is yet to be determined

[0:42:55] Voice 4: but the idea is that it wouldn't be already in line necessarily and then oh just a shout out

[0:43:02] Voice 4: and susan's on the board so you might have already spoken about this and gritty got that big grant to

[0:43:07] Voice 4: get to the left of the buses so um those have been ordered i believe ordered but not they haven't

[0:43:12] Voice 4: been built yet they will arrive next july or august

[0:43:15] Voice 3: right so

[0:43:16] Voice 4: meanwhile we gotta keep those

[0:43:21] Voice 4: So that's why I'm just some highlights that I thought making a new choice to be.

[0:43:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): There must be nothing. All right. So the next section on our agenda is for First Nations

[0:43:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): reports. We don't have one here. It's a standing place for reports when and if we receive them.

[0:43:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): I will just mention briefly that the local trust committee has been meeting with us in the name of

[0:43:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): First Nation on a regular basis with the staff and elected members, what's the name of it,

[0:43:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): and certainly we're advancing some of the work around OCP and trying to understand their

[0:44:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): interests in what's happening in this community and embracing them in our decision making.

[0:44:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I anticipate there might be more reporting over time that ends up in that space. I'm really

[0:44:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm really glad to have that opportunity to discuss issues, and I should just note briefly

[0:44:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): that Trust Council is being scheduled now officially to be in Nanaimo at our next quarterly

[0:44:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting in September.

[0:44:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): We had made every effort to try and establish it here on Henriola again, but the opportunity

[0:44:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): for accommodation didn't exist, so we've taken advantage of having that over there.

[0:44:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I just want to

[0:44:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): move to public comments, but you have something else to add?

[0:44:42] Voice 4: Yeah, so just on the first section of your report, and I forgot to add in my trusty report,

[0:44:47] Voice 4: so we have got a date for the screening of Dust and Bones, and so this is a film produced

[0:44:55] Voice 4: by Cowichan gravedigger Harold Joe, and it's been a few years in circulation,

[0:45:03] Voice 4: um but really it talks about um their well the Cowichan approach to protecting and and how they

[0:45:13] Voice 4: deal with burials and cultural heritage and so it's been circulated to some of the local trust

[0:45:19] Voice 4: committees and we've been working for a long time to get it on here on Gabriola and it'll be on

[0:45:24] Voice 4: July 20th at the Phoenix Auditorium and it'll be preceded by a panel discussion led by some

[0:45:31] Voice 4: the name of the elder, Satassia Geraldine Mattson,

[0:45:36] Voice 4: and her husband, who is a grave-gatherer.

[0:45:39] Voice 4: And so they'll be presenting on St. Amok's,

[0:45:42] Voice 4: how their protocol is with grave sites.

[0:45:46] Voice 4: And so that's really been an issue of high importance

[0:45:49] Voice 4: in the last couple of months, as we've

[0:45:52] Voice 4: been hearing and learning how significant burial sites are.

[0:45:56] Voice 4: So that's a piece of education.

[0:45:58] Voice 4: We're hoping to bring it for free

[0:45:59] Voice 4: and having all of the partners on that.

[0:46:01] Voice 4: But July 20th, the Phoenix letter

[0:46:04] Voice 4: will be up in the evening.

[0:46:05] Voice 4: No, in the daytime, actually,

[0:46:08] Voice 4: because of the sensitive matter

[0:46:10] Voice 4: of the nature of the discussion,

[0:46:13] Voice 4: it needs to happen in the morning.

[0:46:16] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:46:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I want to go to the public comment period.

[0:46:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Max, that's your opportunity to speak to us.

[0:46:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): You've heard enough from us at this point, I'm sure.

[0:46:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I do want to acknowledge that

[0:46:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): the board of directors has joined us

[0:46:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I think what we're anticipating doing

[0:46:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): is advancing your

[0:46:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): bylaw enforcement section. I think

[0:46:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): likely immediately after public comment period

[0:46:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): if that's okay with trustees.

[0:46:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): We'll go through that because your audience

[0:46:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): is here.

[0:46:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's terrific.

[0:46:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just to remind everybody that this is a local

[0:46:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust committee meeting place

[0:46:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it's important that

[0:46:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): we are committed to a healthy

[0:46:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): dialogue and making sure that everyone's

[0:46:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): opinion is heard

[0:46:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): is heard um and valued um and that's on sometimes it's not completely opposite ends of the spectrum

[0:47:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so we just ask that you be respectful in everybody's point of view and and listen fully

[0:47:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and no booing because you would never do that but also applaud is also a um uh an influence on

[0:47:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): those that maybe have a contrary point of view so let's just receive everything and anything that we

[0:47:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): We hear and learn and take that into consideration

[0:47:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): in our thoughts and our discussion at this table.

[0:47:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): In the spirit of reconciliation,

[0:47:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Islands Trust ensures that all public meeting spaces

[0:47:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): are fully inclusive and acknowledgement

[0:47:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): of Indigenous peoples.

[0:47:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So just ask you to be kind and respectful

[0:47:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): to your friends and neighbours,

[0:47:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): those viewing us online and the local trust committees

[0:47:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): and staffs that are here.

[0:47:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): So get a show of hands of who would like to address

[0:47:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): the local trust committee today.

[0:47:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right. So I'm going to, I see one, two, three, four so far. There may be more, don't be shy.

[0:47:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I'm just going to start on the left-hand side now and go to the front row, and then we'll

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): come back to the back row on the left-hand side. So we'll start with you, sir, if you could just

[0:48:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): state your name for the record.

[0:48:11] Voice 2: I'm going to hold off for a minute, and I said possibly

[0:48:15] Voice 2: possibly like to speak. So I'll wait a few minutes.

[0:48:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So did you want to speak to us?

[0:48:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): You had your hand up.

[0:48:26] Voice 6: I would like to yield to Mr. Richard.

[0:48:31] Voice 6: You know,

[0:48:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): we have this interesting debate at council who's telling, you know, it's the chair

[0:48:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): controls who speaks next. And you go, I'd like you to go first. And they go, oh, no, no, no,

[0:48:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): they

[0:48:40] Voice 14: have you know

[0:48:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's stick with the next person that's been selected and posted in the

[0:48:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): process

[0:48:46] Voice 9: thank you very much um for the opportunity to speak um yeah first of all uh my name is rich

[0:48:57] Voice 9: brooks i'm one of the directors the chair of the lunch island community association so i'm one of

[0:49:05] Voice 9: the people responsible for putting forward the letter to the Islands Trust that outlines the

[0:49:11] Voice 9: concerns that we have. You know, that letter was submitted June 7th, so I'm sure you all had an

[0:49:19] Voice 9: opportunity to read it. So

[0:49:21] Voice 9: I've got a bunch of things that I'll try and blast you fairly quick

[0:49:26] Voice 9: to keep it short and everything. But first, I'd really like to thank you for adjusting the

[0:49:35] Voice 9: agenda. I think that's a great move to trying to get the whole thing fleshed out fairly quick.

[0:49:43] Voice 9: So the other thing I'd like to do is thank Warren Damon for doing the two webinars

[0:49:52] Voice 9: for our community. The last one was July 25th and they were an exception. Very well done

[0:50:00] Voice 9: And I think that the community really appreciated it and had a much, much, much better understanding

[0:50:09] Voice 9: of what the bylaws are, how they work, and what the community's responsibilities are

[0:50:17] Voice 9: in this process.

[0:50:19] Voice 9: So I think it was a very good one, and the community appreciates it.

[0:50:24] Voice 9: Um, so, uh, next, uh, I understand that the trust committee will be coming to much on

[0:50:33] Voice 9: July 16th.

[0:50:35] Voice 9: Um, so, uh, when, uh, the MICA community has, has had a couple of town hall meetings and

[0:50:43] Voice 9: has dialogue, obviously, with our community.

[0:50:46] Voice 9: And what I can tell you is that the community is very excited to, to attend the meeting,

[0:50:51] Voice 9: to meet you, to express some of their thoughts, concerns, and have some dialogue as to how

[0:51:01] Voice 9: we can work together to moving ahead through some of our community problems and issues.

[0:51:10] Voice 9: So moving ahead and back to our letter of June 7th, there's a couple of things in the

[0:51:18] Voice 9: letter that are really uh paramount to the community and our association and one was that

[0:51:25] Voice 9: we were hoping that today uh the trust committee could uh move forward uh put forward a motion to

[0:51:32] Voice 9: recognize the committee as the uh um representatives of lunch island and uh to develop a working

[0:51:41] Voice 9: working relationship. And then the second component was that we were hoping that a motion

[0:51:48] Voice 9: could be put forward where a minor project could be developed with a bit of funding set

[0:51:57] Voice 9: aside so that we can work on some of these policies and bylaw updates that need to be

[0:52:05] Voice 9: done. I think the community doesn't see major changes to the to the bylaws, but there's some

[0:52:15] Voice 9: tweaking I think that we'd like to see and hopefully we can develop a foot size of funding

[0:52:24] Voice 9: for you know the MICA committee and our community to work with staff in developing policies and

[0:52:33] Voice 9: and the bylaws to try and move the situation around much.

[0:52:37] Voice 9: I think the community is bought into trying to find a way

[0:52:45] Voice 9: and accepting that changes have to be done.

[0:52:50] Voice 9: So, and then last but not least,

[0:52:53] Voice 9: one of the things that we picked up on

[0:52:58] Voice 9: is that item 12.1, there's a staff report

[0:53:03] Voice 9: that's being put forward and again thank you for moving that up in the agenda

[0:53:08] Voice 9: um and what it is is the proposed bylaw compliance and enforcement policy and um

[0:53:16] Voice 9: uh it's brand new to us we just had the opportunity to review it and um it's it's

[0:53:24] Voice 9: quite apparent that there's been a tremendous amount of work put into that and uh there's uh

[0:53:30] Voice 9: a lot of great, great work and ideas that are in there.

[0:53:35] Voice 9: And in working sort of parallel to that,

[0:53:40] Voice 9: our committee has also, you know,

[0:53:42] Voice 9: thought about different policies

[0:53:45] Voice 9: and what could also be incorporated.

[0:53:49] Voice 9: And there's a lot of parallels and things that are similar,

[0:53:52] Voice 9: but there's other things that, you know,

[0:53:56] Voice 9: we hope that could be considered to be added to it.

[0:53:58] Voice 9: You know, the report and the proposal is very good, but, you know, we'd like the opportunity to work with the trust members and staff, bylaw enforcement and the planners, to developing that policy through a consultation process.

[0:54:16] Voice 9: I think it would be very good, and it would be meaningful to the community that, you know, we have some input to it.

[0:54:24] Voice 9: And I think through that process, we'll have better results.

[0:54:28] Voice 9: in the community if there's if the community is part of that process so i think it's so important

[0:54:35] Voice 9: that the community our association you know are part of developing that that policy and certainly

[0:54:43] Voice 9: you know moving forward to you know tweaking some of these violence so those are the things

[0:54:48] Voice 9: you know we're hoping that you can consider um you know through this through this meeting today

[0:54:53] Voice 9: day. And yeah, that's pretty much it. So try and cut it as short and sweet as possible.

[0:55:01] Voice 9: But if there's any questions, I guess on to the next person.

[0:55:06] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:55:06] Voice 14: Any questions?

[0:55:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, good. Thank you for coming and making representation. You

[0:55:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): provided food for thought. This is my content, food for thought, but thinking about how we

[0:55:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): can move forward in this. Certainly, there's not a real hurry in terms of, and so we want

[0:55:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): make sure we plan it accordingly and um and look forward to working with you for sure okay okay

[0:55:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): so the next speaker right next to yeah

[0:55:39] Voice 12: hi i'm john i'm also a member of the micah committee

[0:55:45] Voice 12: um really covered most of what i wanted to speak about um but um i i guess i'd like to reinforce

[0:55:54] Voice 12: force with respect to the enforcement policy we view it as a very positive step and we're very

[0:56:03] Voice 12: supportive of it we do have some targeted comments which will address you know what we see as you

[0:56:13] Voice 12: know flaws in the process or areas where the bylaw complete process can be abused

[0:56:23] Voice 12: and so they you know we like the chance to make written submissions and

[0:56:33] Voice 12: the changes that you'll see us request are going to be relatively minor but they will

[0:56:40] Voice 12: address what we think are, you know, they will make a substantive difference. So

[0:56:47] Voice 12: we're just asking for a little bit of time and some input.

[0:56:53] Voice 14: Cheryl, thank you for that. Any questions for the speaker?

[0:56:59] Voice 4: So will we have some discussion on how to receive comments and get input on that?

[0:57:06] Voice 4: Or we want to be sort of the July 16 meeting. Yes, that's, that's a discovery. But yeah, just hearing if you want to give comments on the post draft policy. Ultimately, I believe the LTC is the decision maker, but we definitely want to hear community members up to be my just want to clarify that.

[0:57:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. So I'm excited to hear you say some of the things you've said, targeted, written submissions. That is the preferred method. Certainly, a public consultation aspect to this is something that we can obviously consider.

[0:57:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think that what I want to do in answer to your question, Toby, is just want to emphasize

[0:57:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): absolutely, those are things that we can do and receive.

[0:58:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): We're going to hear from Warren on 12.1 here shortly about what we're presently envisioning

[0:58:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): in terms of amendment and maybe I'll look to you when we get there, Warren, about how

[0:58:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): we might engage in a public consultation process to formally ask MICA particularly as the agency

[0:58:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): see representing the island should make those submissions but certainly make submissions

[0:58:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): anyone and everyone inside and outside of the organization and then we would look at what the

[0:58:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): points of view are considered and i think that you can address that in your section

[0:58:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): perfect so this is great um so i only had those two and i had two in the front row and i didn't

[0:58:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): see any other hands is there anybody else that wishes to address the local so

[0:58:49] Voice 2: um my name is

[0:58:51] Voice 2: Scott Fleming. I'm a 31-year resident of Mudge Island. My family's been enjoying the island for

[0:58:56] Voice 2: over 54 years. I'm also part of the MICA committee and I basically reiterate what Rich and John have

[0:59:06] Voice 2: spoken to. I would like to thank Warren for your work on the staff report for updating the policy

[0:59:14] Voice 2: by law enforcement.

[0:59:16] Voice 2: I think there's a lot of really great things in there.

[0:59:19] Voice 2: And we were happy that we were given access to review it.

[0:59:23] Voice 2: But personally, I feel it's not,

[0:59:26] Voice 2: I think my understanding is it's being presented

[0:59:29] Voice 2: for adoption today.

[0:59:31] Voice 2: And I don't think it's ready for adoption.

[0:59:34] Voice 2: I think that there can be more work done on it.

[0:59:38] Voice 2: There can definitely be community consultation done.

[0:59:43] Voice 2: But we're eager to work with staff and planners to make things better for everybody, our community and your organization, so we can work together to achieve these things.

[0:59:55] Voice 2: So I'm asking for this report not to be.

[1:00:00] Voice 2: adopted today and to be given more time for more work to be done on it right

[1:00:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): well thank you but I want to say thank you very much appreciate that specific

[1:00:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): comment I will

[1:00:15] Voice 6: what do I need to say first okay I'm Laura Egan I also much

[1:00:22] Voice 6: and happy to see so many of my island neighbors here um I am gonna speak to

[1:00:30] Voice 6: same exact topic as everyone else and simply add um my words uh this 12.1 amendment this

[1:00:37] Voice 6: recommendation of new policies um i will just throw a few specific examples at you

[1:00:44] Voice 6: knowing that i will still go through the magi island community association in making

[1:00:48] Voice 6: these recommendations one specific example is you are suggesting a two complaint minimum before

[1:00:56] Voice 6: before enforcement, which is something that, and this is in the Part B that applies only to much.

[1:01:03] Voice 6: Very interesting. We have talked about how we'd like to see that. However, you're saying two

[1:01:07] Voice 6: complaint minimum before enforcement. You're still going to come out and investigate. You're still

[1:01:12] Voice 6: going to spend an incredible amount of time looking into things, and then you're going to

[1:01:16] Voice 6: tell, oh, well, it was only one complaint. Therefore, we're going to stop before enforcement

[1:01:20] Voice 6: until we get that second complaint. I would consider the difference between enforcement

[1:01:24] Voice 6: and investigation if it were possible to simply say two complaints before investigation now you're

[1:01:31] Voice 6: saving an incredible amount of staff time another example is notice before inspection is not

[1:01:38] Voice 6: mentioned there but would love to see more notice before you show up on much many part-time residents

[1:01:45] Voice 6: on much consider adding to part b that maybe because of the unique nature of you know where

[1:01:51] Voice 6: people are and they're not always at home on much they do want to be there when you come

[1:01:55] Voice 14: they

[1:01:56] Voice 6: would love more notice um and your vexatious and repeat complaint policy

[1:02:03] Voice 6: written out when i read it i realized there's a huge missing piece which is false complaints

[1:02:09] Voice 6: you don't mention what you'll do if somebody makes repeat not sorry not repeat if somebody

[1:02:15] Voice 6: makes 20 false complaints, you haven't acknowledged that in the vexatious how you're going to address

[1:02:22] Voice 6: that complaint, right? And I just mentioned that because you've talked, and I think it's part eight

[1:02:31] Voice 6: in this policy. So this is all getting in the weeds, just letting you know that

[1:02:35] Voice 6: we see some missing pieces. We'd love to see this improved before it's adopted.

[1:02:40] Voice 6: We're going to work through the process with you guys. Okay. Those were very specific,

[1:02:45] Voice 6: not that any of them get acted on today just throwing out what came to mind I also just want

[1:02:51] Voice 6: to briefly touch on a phrase I heard recently regarding how much feels that we want to be left

[1:02:58] Voice 6: alone quote-unquote um I I think you know I get that that sentiment comes up in this community

[1:03:05] Voice 6: I would I would modify that to say we'd like to be treated fairly and with understanding

[1:03:12] Voice 6: that's what we're looking for and that's why many of us are here today um there is an incredible

[1:03:18] Voice 6: diversity of lifestyles on much sometimes we are all thrown into one basket oh those are those

[1:03:25] Voice 6: folks who you know there's there's simply misunderstandings about who we are because

[1:03:29] Voice 6: we're so many different things we're part-timers we're full-timers we're waterfront folks we're

[1:03:34] Voice 6: folks living in a tiny little cabin up on a hill we're folks who kayak who rowboat who have

[1:03:40] Voice 6: beautiful miniature yachts going all the way to Nanaimo or going to Vancouver. We're just a

[1:03:47] Voice 6: diverse community and the more understanding that the Honest Trust has in regards to who we are and

[1:03:53] Voice 6: how we are getting by, it would just be helpful and this has been helpful. So thank you for

[1:04:00] Voice 6: listening to us.

[1:04:02] Voice 14: Okay, thank you. Any questions? I

[1:04:05] Voice 4: did have a question. So you're

[1:04:07] Voice 4: Do you suggest that under vexatious, so frivolous repeat or vexatious complaints, there could

[1:04:16] Voice 4: be a policy about repeat but false complaints, but wouldn't that be covered under frivolous?

[1:04:28] Voice 6: I think rather than repeat but false, if frivolous means false, that's helpful for me to know.

[1:04:34] Voice 6: I wasn't sure really.

[1:04:35] Voice 6: I'm not sure either.

[1:04:36] Voice 6: I'm just trying to clarify.

[1:04:37] Voice 6: Maybe

[1:04:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll let Warren articulate that more slowly.

[1:04:41] Voice 14: I just want to tell us.

[1:04:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:04:45] Voice 3: Thanks, Warren.

[1:04:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you for the points that you raised.

[1:04:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): And Warren, I think we'll probably briefly mention you.

[1:04:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just want to share something with you.

[1:04:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's not, we're not offended, by the way.

[1:05:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): When somebody says, and I hear it quite often,

[1:05:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): we love the Islands Trust, but leave us alone.

[1:05:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's totally okay. I'm an Islander. These guys are Islanders. Guess what? We like to be left alone.

[1:05:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): We live on an island. But the important significance is that when you need help with

[1:05:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): something, we're here. And that's what we want to do. Because what we want to do is recognize

[1:05:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): and support your community vision. That's the object of the game here is you create a vision,

[1:05:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): we create the bylaws, we support your vision. So let's figure that out so that we can have that

[1:05:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): value and we can leave you alone

[1:05:38] Voice 6: okay

[1:05:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): anybody else

[1:05:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): wish to speak to us go ahead yeah

[1:05:43] Voice 10: robin taylor um

[1:05:45] Voice 10: i am also a resident of much and i i want to just reinforce what scott said that we do need more

[1:05:54] Voice 10: time to have a look and and and provide comment on on the policy um and that would help us also

[1:06:02] Voice 10: So to get an understanding of what may need to be tweaked in the bylaw as well.

[1:06:09] Voice 10: But as a longtime environmental consultant, I have lots of experience with public meetings

[1:06:17] Voice 10: and changing plans in order to make the plan better

[1:06:24] Voice 14: because

[1:06:24] Voice 10: of the public perspective

[1:06:26] Voice 10: and engaging with the stakeholders.

[1:06:31] Voice 10: So I think in this case, it will help Warren, it will help bylaw compliance if we take a bit more time and are able to provide some additional comments.

[1:06:45] Voice 10: So thank you very much.

[1:06:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any questions you want to add?

[1:06:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just want to add, because we're all learning about the bylaw process.

[1:06:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): These things aren't written in stone ever.

[1:07:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Um, it may be that there are some issues that should be addressed sooner than others. And so those amendments can be made in the short term and in the long term and to be a more thoughtful document and more speak to that. Um,

[1:07:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Um, yeah, so I just want to say that that there's always room for that because actually it hasn't taken long just in terms of the timeline for this bylaw to end up on this table to have that look.

[1:07:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): to perhaps address important issues that need to be changed today versus the longer term

[1:07:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): respect so i just say that anybody else was just about us okay it's been great to hear from you

[1:07:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): that have spoken and so great to see the support that's here for office work so if there's nothing

[1:07:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): further i'm going to go now to 12.1 warren bingman thank you for disrupting your schedule today i

[1:08:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): I know you've got site visits and things to do,

[1:08:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it's over to you to help us out with 12.1

[1:08:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): and be glad to see her there and say you can reflect on that.

[1:08:10] Voice 11: I rushed here from a meeting with the RCMP,

[1:08:12] Voice 11: so that was...

[1:08:16] Voice 11: So the report that was prepared for the Local Trust Committee,

[1:08:22] Voice 11: what it does is it does present a proposed compliance

[1:08:26] Voice 11: and enforcement policy.

[1:08:27] Voice 11: policy. The actual recommendation is not for adoption, it is for consideration by the Global

[1:08:34] Voice 11: Trust Committee so that they can edit them in and receive further consultation as they

[1:08:41] Voice 11: wish. The report outlines or provides brief information on the current number of files

[1:08:48] Voice 11: for the Gabriel Global Trust area. You've got, it should be 120 plus files, of which

[1:08:55] Voice 11: now the majority is on much and that's an outline but it's got uh gabriel has 50 plus files uh

[1:09:05] Voice 11: might is approximately 70. um that's never happened before that is atypical for all of the

[1:09:13] Voice 11: local trust areas you never have an associated islands with more fly law files complaints and

[1:09:19] Voice 11: files open than the so-called principal or may not right it just doesn't happen there have been

[1:09:26] Voice 11: similar circumstances in the past where a large number of complaints have come in from associated

[1:09:31] Voice 11: lands but they've never exceeded the principal island. So you do have this circumstance now where

[1:09:39] Voice 11: you have a majority of the complaints and files open on lunch and so that's an indication that

[1:09:45] Voice 11: there may be problems that need to be addressed. There may be concerns with the land use bylaw.

[1:09:50] Voice 11: So, as part of our by-law enforcement review as a whole for Island's Trust, and our review

[1:10:00] Voice 11: of Trust Council policies, I looked at it and saw that there were gaps, one, that Trust

[1:10:08] Voice 11: Council policies don't address, the fact that Trust Council policies delegate to the local

[1:10:14] Voice 11: trust committees, you adopt your policies, you close files, you get over files, you can

[1:10:18] Voice 11: adopt your policies for your specific issue so one of the things that local trust committees do is

[1:10:24] Voice 11: they for file enforcement especially they adopt standing resolution so one of the reasons for the

[1:10:30] Voice 11: proposed document is to have all the standing resolutions in one document put it all into the

[1:10:35] Voice 11: policy document so it's there for everyone to see it's in one place you don't have to go even staff

[1:10:41] Voice 11: sometimes have to be searching for all these standing resolutions especially if they're

[1:10:44] Voice 11: say there's a dozen we'll put all those policies into one place and then it can be amended in the

[1:10:51] Voice 11: future if you want to address any other issue non-compliant problems whatever it is as short

[1:10:58] Voice 11: term vacation rental if you amend your policies much more easily for staff and for the general

[1:11:03] Voice 11: public to see to the one dot to the compliance and enforcement policy dot that the LDC accrues

[1:11:11] Voice 11: and is much more comprehensive than the Trust Council policy document.

[1:11:18] Voice 11: So recognizing that that gap was there and not addressing policies such as vexatious complaints.

[1:11:28] Voice 11: Trust Council doesn't have such a policy.

[1:11:31] Voice 11: There's no longer the policy around time to comply.

[1:11:34] Voice 11: There is within, not within Trust Council policies, real discretion for bylaw officers,

[1:11:39] Voice 11: which is something the OVICS person has asked us to address.

[1:11:44] Voice 11: So that's being addressed in these policies, which is being presented to each local trust area and trust committee one at a time.

[1:11:53] Voice 11: Denman has adopted theirs.

[1:11:55] Voice 11: They're presented to Salt Spring, but they're going to go through a process of, it's going to have to be revised and reporting back to them because they have concerns about the policies.

[1:12:04] Voice 11: And I anticipated that all the local trust committees would want to do that.

[1:12:08] Voice 11: I was actually quite surprised when Denman said, no, this is perfect.

[1:12:11] Voice 11: And we're good with all that.

[1:12:14] Voice 11: because that is not it's not in my report the adoption today was never the plan the actual

[1:12:19] Voice 11: recommendation is for the lbc to consider make edits amendments as necessary so within this

[1:12:25] Voice 11: time we were trying to cover off on those issues that aren't addressed by trust council policies

[1:12:31] Voice 11: um but i will note uh one question about opening investigations the local trust committee does not

[1:12:37] Voice 11: have the authority to do that from trust council as far as saying to violent enforcement officers

[1:12:43] Voice 11: you can't open files.

[1:12:44] Voice 11: Trust council policies dictate,

[1:12:46] Voice 11: we receive a written complaint and then we open a file.

[1:12:51] Voice 11: So once the investigation is completed,

[1:12:54] Voice 11: the local trust committee can receive a report

[1:12:55] Voice 11: and say, oh, we're not concerned about this.

[1:12:57] Voice 11: And then, okay, please post the file.

[1:12:59] Voice 11: That's within their authority to do.

[1:13:02] Voice 11: So the investigations,

[1:13:06] Voice 11: that is really direction for the trust council

[1:13:08] Voice 11: as far as the opening of the files.

[1:13:09] Voice 11: and I'll always say that that process should always happen because before we can make any

[1:13:15] Voice 11: determination and do any investigation of the property, we should have an open file.

[1:13:20] Voice 11: So we contact the property owner, fully investigate it, and then make determinations or decisions

[1:13:25] Voice 11: based on that.

[1:13:27] Voice 11: I don't think we should be doing, essentially, investigations in secret for anyone's property.

[1:13:33] Voice 11: So when we get a complaint, I review it, the file's open, we notify the property owner,

[1:13:38] Voice 11: and we start investigating.

[1:13:40] Voice 11: i would never recommend where we're getting complaints and then we start some sort of

[1:13:44] Voice 11: investigation into your property without you knowing about it i don't think that's an open

[1:13:48] Voice 11: and transparent process and i don't think press council would adopt that i don't think the local

[1:13:52] Voice 11: trust committee would want us to do it that way so that's why we do it the way we do it and press

[1:13:58] Voice 11: council has policies that state that the trustees and local trust committees do not get involved in

[1:14:04] Voice 11: investigations so that's why i use the language of open file investigate then report

[1:14:10] Voice 11: We have a completed investigation and the local trust committees can make the

[1:14:14] Voice 11: determinate whether they want to continue with enforcement or close it.

[1:14:18] Voice 11: And there are a number of local trust committees that are doing it that way.

[1:14:22] Voice 11: Main Island, Denman Island, quite specifically, they want that type of

[1:14:26] Voice 11: reporting. So in the end, in those islands, if we're proceeding with

[1:14:29] Voice 11: enforcement or is there somewhat of a bylaw with this, that's because the local

[1:14:34] Voice 11: trust committee has received a report from a bylaw officer and they're saying

[1:14:37] Voice 11: yes proceed. The local trust committee is considered whether or not they want that issue.

[1:14:44] Voice 11: It's within the interest of the community to proceed with enforcement and this local trust

[1:14:50] Voice 11: committee can do the same. Proceed that type of reporting and then proceed with your decisions.

[1:14:57] Voice 11: In regards to the word vexatious, part of I think the meaning of vexation is false

[1:15:02] Voice 11: but for clarity we can use the word faults in there right now even though that there is no

[1:15:09] Voice 11: vexatious policy from trust council if i determine that someone has submitted repeated faults

[1:15:16] Voice 11: complaints because we fully investigated that i consider them vexatious and i will not open up

[1:15:21] Voice 11: files based on the complaints anymore but we do need that amended policy in the trust council

[1:15:27] Voice 11: policy and also for the local press committees as far as what action they want to take

[1:15:32] Voice 11: if people are being truly vexatious or submitted false complaints or be

[1:15:38] Voice 11: wish to determine. I will say that true vexatious or false complaints it's

[1:15:46] Voice 11: 1% of our files may have been opened because it's a neighborhood dispute

[1:15:51] Voice 11: there's vexatious or something like that so it's not a chronic problem it does

[1:15:57] Voice 11: occur, people do submit complaints with false names. I can usually discover that

[1:16:04] Voice 11: very quickly and so I don't open a file based on that complaint.

[1:16:10] Voice 11: The Trust Council policy doesn't specifically use the word anonymous, but we

[1:16:14] Voice 11: consider that an anonymous complaint and then we don't open a file. As for Trust Council

[1:16:18] Voice 11: policy and for the local Trust Council policy, maybe that language could be more

[1:16:23] Voice 11: more explicitly as far as making it clear to everyone why we're doing what we're doing

[1:16:30] Voice 11: and the fact that we are going to take into consideration whether or not someone is using

[1:16:37] Voice 11: melatonin or trying to be frivolous or vexatious or whatever, being nefarious in any way, trying

[1:16:45] Voice 11: trying to abuse this process we truly uh are aware that there are people who do try to abuse it

[1:16:53] Voice 11: and we take steps to ensure that abuse doesn't take place so in the end what the policy does

[1:17:00] Voice 11: it introduces uh actual bylaw officer discretion uh as far as you know we do deal with folks who

[1:17:08] Voice 11: are absolutely financially unable to comply there's just you discover very quickly they're

[1:17:13] Voice 11: destitute or wherever they may be land rich but they have no means to comply so uh for years we

[1:17:20] Voice 11: have not been enforcing all those people but we should put that into a formal policy the trust

[1:17:26] Voice 11: council level certainly the whole trust to make level that people can't financially comply we

[1:17:33] Voice 11: shouldn't be proceeding with things and because those cases do exist um and i think i mean really

[1:17:43] Voice 11: I want to stress that I actually don't want a repeat of Denman, where they just adopted

[1:17:49] Voice 11: it immediately.

[1:17:50] Voice 11: I would like for more discussion and input to the local press committee and I put in

[1:17:57] Voice 11: this section, a separate section for Mudge on land use by law, we could put in a separate

[1:18:01] Voice 11: section for DeCourcy, that's up to the local press committee, and how they want to handle

[1:18:06] Voice 11: these disputes or complaints.

[1:18:10] Voice 11: There may be more definitions that are required within the document.

[1:18:16] Voice 11: For us, I've used the term environmentally sensitive areas.

[1:18:22] Voice 11: That includes really any setback from water or the sea.

[1:18:25] Voice 11: That's one thing that everyone should be aware of.

[1:18:28] Voice 11: So if you do go forward with a policy of you want two complaints on munch before proceeding,

[1:18:34] Voice 11: that wouldn't apply to people along the waterfront, properties along the waterfront where you've

[1:18:39] Voice 11: we've got some type of structure and setback

[1:18:42] Voice 11: that will naturally bother the city.

[1:18:44] Voice 11: And if that language needs to be changed,

[1:18:47] Voice 11: then it needs to be changed.

[1:18:50] Voice 11: As far as the consultation process,

[1:18:52] Voice 11: I can, you know, I don't,

[1:18:54] Voice 11: it's really up to LTC and what they want to receive.

[1:18:58] Voice 11: If you pass a resolution,

[1:18:59] Voice 11: you're going to review and edit.

[1:19:01] Voice 11: I can take all the submissions from MICA

[1:19:04] Voice 11: and try and incorporate that into a report

[1:19:07] Voice 11: and bring it back to the local trust committee

[1:19:08] Voice 11: with their recommendations and then it'll basically be the option the options will be

[1:19:13] Voice 11: up to local trustee either after especially after july 16th you'll want to adopt them

[1:19:18] Voice 11: or you know you're going to keep it with what i've proposed we can certainly incorporate that

[1:19:25] Voice 11: into a staff report and into a an amended policy document that everyone from my job can read

[1:19:34] Voice 11: read before it proceeds. And I can certainly do another webinar. They seem to be well-perceived.

[1:19:40] Voice 11: We could make the policy document the subject of a webinar by itself, and then we go over

[1:19:45] Voice 11: point by point with the community, and then they can raise their specific issues. And

[1:19:51] Voice 11: then that, with their submissions, we can present that document in a couple of months

[1:19:55] Voice 11: back to the local trust committee for consideration. So that's the basic plan I can give you, Chair.

[1:20:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, it sounds very well thought out.

[1:20:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for that. Let's go to trustees and see.

[1:20:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): I know I've got some questions as well.

[1:20:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Two comments

[1:20:15] Voice 4: and two questions.

[1:20:16] Voice 4: I think our webinar after ready to go is wonderful

[1:20:20] Voice 4: because those educational webinars are so, that's a great idea.

[1:20:26] Voice 4: The other comment I have is that I know in the report,

[1:20:30] Voice 4: and I have talked to staff about this,

[1:20:32] Voice 4: that there are no concerns about the actual validity of the complaints they

[1:20:39] Voice 4: seem to be able to do that fairly quickly and spend with them so I hope

[1:20:47] Voice 4: that continues like I hope that continues that there's no concerns about

[1:20:50] Voice 4: whether they're actually real and then my two questions oh first question how

[1:21:01] Voice 4: How would you determine that someone cannot financially comply with your investment?

[1:21:08] Voice 4: I can't think of how you, other than like just looking at what's happening, how would you determine that?

[1:21:15] Voice 4: Well,

[1:21:15] Voice 11: we do interview them.

[1:21:17] Voice 11: So, and during that process, they may be very candid and some are, you know,

[1:21:23] Voice 11: down to, here's my bank account.

[1:21:25] Voice 11: I don't have any money.

[1:21:27] Voice 11: So some are very candid.

[1:21:29] Voice 11: it and a lot of it is just living condition you know people will invite us into our homes and

[1:21:35] Voice 11: it's obviously that their living conditions are such that they don't have any money so those are

[1:21:41] Voice 11: the type of things we're taking into consideration it's not going to be a large i don't think it'll

[1:21:46] Voice 11: be a large number of people but probably on each island in all trust areas there's be someone who

[1:21:52] Voice 11: absolutely there's no point writing this person's ticket they're probably not going to be able to

[1:21:57] Voice 11: pay and

[1:21:58] Voice 2: sometimes

[1:21:59] Voice 11: we even talk to family members as well who get involved and they can tell us yes

[1:22:04] Voice 11: this person just does not have the means to financially comply so

[1:22:09] Voice 4: i guess i'm wondering

[1:22:10] Voice 4: is how is that written up when you do your report i'm sure it's very diplomatic however you write it

[1:22:18] Voice 4: up thinking about that so

[1:22:21] Voice 11: we can it's not defined it's not set down in policy and a lot of this is

[1:22:27] Voice 11: about okay you're giving the by-laws a discretion to do this you may not wish to do it that way you

[1:22:34] Voice 11: may even with the manager okay man you take a deeper look at it the ldc can make this this

[1:22:39] Voice 11: maybe you're going to leave it up to yourselves and what you criteria you want to see to say

[1:22:44] Voice 11: okay we don't think this person is financially able to comply i mean some of the local trust

[1:22:50] Voice 11: meetings say right in the meeting okay we know this person and we know they have no money so

[1:22:55] Voice 11: they can't comply so can we further define what the criteria we're going to use to evaluate

[1:23:04] Voice 11: and maybe this is something that yes the local trust meeting we want to consider and maybe you

[1:23:09] Voice 11: may not want to give officers that discretion but in other jurisdictions that type of discretion

[1:23:15] Voice 11: can be given to staff and

[1:23:18] Voice 4: my last question is um under nine point communications um 9.4

[1:23:25] Voice 4: The manager of compliance and enforcement will arrange public information and education

[1:23:30] Voice 4: sessions regarding bylaw enforcement when appropriate and time permitting and then there's

[1:23:35] Voice 4: an alternative.

[1:23:37] Voice 4: In my mind, both of those things would be good.

[1:23:41] Voice 4: Can we do both or do we have to do one or the other?

[1:23:44] Voice 11: No, it's up to the local trustee.

[1:23:46] Voice 11: I just said I think the webinars work.

[1:23:48] Voice 4: Yeah, they're great.

[1:23:50] Voice 11: I think we should be doing them.

[1:23:52] Voice 11: for. I'm going

[1:23:53] Voice 11: to try to do multiple each local trust area, but I think they work. If I can get a show of hands, I don't know if there's here that they

[1:24:01] Voice 11: believe that they work. Then there are from time to time concerns about bylaw enforcement. So if the communities have on a regular basis an opportunity to talk to myself, I think we can alleviate some of those concerns before they go to the ombudsperson. And then I have to spend hours talking to the ombudsperson about their concerns.

[1:24:21] Voice 11: They can it's a way for them to come to me first, right? We can do it in the public forum, have the discussion, and maybe that'd be better. But that's all of this is entirely up to the local trust committee on how they want to do this.

[1:24:34] Voice 4: I see that both of these, which we're doing right now, are various, right?

[1:24:42] Voice 4: Yeah, great piece of work and I think this is a starting point. I don't think it's a finished draft, so I definitely want to see a lot of conversations, particularly around priorities.

[1:24:55] Voice 4: So 4.1 and 4.2, we just have two priorities and I think, not really set priorities today, but it would be, would it be helpful for the LTC to consider,

[1:25:09] Voice 4: are you know here's this the order of chunks of um the land use bylaw that you know critical

[1:25:23] Voice 4: less critical you know don't ignore but it falls down the list and so maybe some conversation on

[1:25:30] Voice 4: that um inspection i had a question about 5.1 the any reasonable time um in other local governments

[1:25:40] Voice 4: do they define the hours uh that you can enter a lot or days of the week so provincial laws

[1:25:48] Voice 11: of the local government act that's really what it comes from and all of the land use bylaws

[1:25:55] Voice 11: uh except for some would say they want prior notice or i think it's prior notes

[1:26:01] Voice 11: i think it's just by policy right now that um then maybe 24-hour notice they will probably

[1:26:08] Voice 11: want to go to the same same but the local trust committee could set that they can set that at 24

[1:26:13] Voice 11: hour notice if you wish um the issue of much and us getting over there and others getting over

[1:26:21] Voice 11: there or when you want to have a look at their property i wouldn't have any problems okay we'll

[1:26:26] Voice 11: give you a week's notice because really that's what we're going to have to do with or get a boat

[1:26:30] Voice 11: the water tax is a whole bit to get over there um and so i don't have any issues with doing it a

[1:26:36] Voice 11: week in advance right it's just about okay we always make an attempt by prior notice anyway

[1:26:42] Voice 11: that's the purpose of the notice to respond to the letter to the property once the complaints

[1:26:46] Voice 11: are open it's about talk to us and then we can arrange time if we need time to go over

[1:26:51] Voice 11: but that policy also say you know if you have evidence that you can forward to us

[1:26:56] Voice 11: we don't necessarily don't need to visit your property you can provide professional reports

[1:27:01] Voice 11: and you provide surveys and photographs,

[1:27:03] Voice 11: say, here, I'm in compliance,

[1:27:04] Voice 11: then, I mean, that's actually just standard practice.

[1:27:07] Voice 11: This was just put into policy,

[1:27:09] Voice 11: as far as, it's not everyone wants us on their policy.

[1:27:14] Voice 11: We get it, but if you can provide us evidence,

[1:27:16] Voice 11: then you don't need to make the trip,

[1:27:19] Voice 11: especially if you've got surveys, professional reports,

[1:27:21] Voice 11: saying, okay, they're in compliance.

[1:27:24] Voice 14: But as

[1:27:24] Voice 11: far as notice, it's at the discretion

[1:27:26] Voice 11: of the law enforcement to say, okay,

[1:27:28] Voice 11: I don't think we need to go to a month,

[1:27:30] Voice 11: But 24 hour notice may be common, but maybe they want seven days notice before we do.

[1:27:39] Voice 4: That's a good, good point to consider.

[1:27:41] Voice 4: Um,

[1:27:46] Voice 4: Oh yeah, there was just some wording, a weird sentence at 6.2.

[1:27:51] Voice 4: I think it's just a sentence.

[1:27:53] Voice 4: By-law enforcement officers can use their discretion to consider any reasonable time to apply a request for a response.

[1:28:01] Voice 4: to comply with the request. The term cannot be used anymore. Anyway, just editing. I'm not sure what that sentence means.

[1:28:09] Voice 4: 6.3. I wondered if we could add cultural heritage areas to this. So if there are

[1:28:16] Voice 4: contraventions in environmentally sensitive areas or development permit areas where there's a risk

[1:28:20] Voice 4: to health and safety or concern of infringement of cultural heritage areas. I don't think, and we

[1:28:28] Voice 4: could define it by you know there's an archaeological site there i

[1:28:31] Voice 14: mean i

[1:28:33] Voice 4: don't know it's just maybe

[1:28:36] Voice 15: think about that

[1:28:37] Voice 11: yeah i think that's up to the local trust committee okay to decide what that

[1:28:41] Voice 15: might be because that's the demand of a certain

[1:28:42] Voice 11: type sorry to interrupt there are certain sites

[1:28:44] Voice 11: yes there would be more concern

[1:28:47] Voice 4: that this respondent would cease the use right to be

[1:28:49] Voice 4: immediately because that's to me that's just about as important as environmentally sensitive

[1:28:56] Voice 4: of areas you're not seeking compliance over three months or six months if there's a cultural

[1:29:04] Voice 4: heritage site that's in danger from impacts then you want them to cease that activity

[1:29:12] Voice 4: and then yeah a little more definition of the unreasonable term so 7.3 if it is unreasonable

[1:29:21] Voice 4: for a respondent to comply. Same question for Susan. Specific circumstances or finances.

[1:29:29] Voice 4: I mean that that's sort of a subjective term what is reasonable and I know that is a legal

[1:29:34] Voice 4: term used very often but just for clarity might be good to understand whether it's reasonable.

[1:29:43] Voice 4: So I don't know. And then 7.5 just the use of the word his. You might want to replace

[1:29:49] Voice 4: of it there as it is other other places the uh enforcement can use their discretion to

[1:30:00] Voice 4: just so 9.4 there's an alternative. I really like the

[1:30:11] Voice 4: public information education sessions. And I think that's

[1:30:15] Voice 4: probably the preferred route because they're recorded and

[1:30:17] Voice 4: people watch them again, or is looking through meeting times to

[1:30:22] Voice 4: try to find when you're available to answer questions.

[1:30:27] Voice 4: And then from Part B, the Mudge Island Enforcement Section 1.1.4, enforcement of garden beds,

[1:30:39] Voice 4: driveways and structures.

[1:30:41] Voice 4: And then I would just based on the conversations that I've heard, the garbage on the property

[1:30:50] Voice 4: property seem to be an issue. Maybe Michael will be able to talk that through. And I can't

[1:30:57] Voice 4: remember what section bylaw is, but because there's no garbage disposal on Munch, you

[1:31:03] Voice 4: know, it's that garbage must be removed regularly. But what is regularly, you know, you're not,

[1:31:09] Voice 4: I think the land use bylaw is trying to say you're not allowing a waste storage facility,

[1:31:15] Voice 4: but what is a reasonable amount of garbage that can be retained? To me, that's, that's

[1:31:20] Voice 4: like a less important issue unless there's a hazard to the environmental uh anyway so but i

[1:31:26] Voice 4: think mud islanders through micah or however would probably be best positioned to get feedback on

[1:31:33] Voice 4: that section and those are all my comments questions it's great i'm

[1:31:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): just wondering warren

[1:31:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): it sort of piqued your interest i don't know until we were talking about garbage do you have

[1:31:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): any specific thoughts on that because that's a sort of a slightly different

[1:31:52] Voice 11: so the model prohibits

[1:31:56] Voice 11: the storage domestic garbage yeah on

[1:32:00] Voice 11: the residential lines or the disposal so going

[1:32:03] Voice 11: back to what's unreasonable so it would be unreasonable for us to go to a property and

[1:32:07] Voice 11: every day and say i'm going to give you a ticket because well you've got your garbage i don't know

[1:32:11] Voice 11: how long like i've heard different stories about how it's transported off the island

[1:32:17] Voice 11: but we're gonna you would have to allow some reasonable amount of time for someone to

[1:32:21] Voice 11: transport if that's what they're doing the garbage off yeah yeah we could be going all the time and

[1:32:26] Voice 11: saying okay i'm going to give you a fine for that you may not give a fine for that a penalty for

[1:32:31] Voice 11: that at all unless you are trying to run some type of waste transfer station right because it's just

[1:32:37] Voice 11: it's it's unreasonable there's no there's no there's no garbage collection service they have

[1:32:43] Voice 11: to move it off down and in order to comply with this father because they can't bury it they can't

[1:32:48] Voice 11: burn it so what's the reasonable thing is that they're going to need time to take it off so

[1:32:55] Voice 11: either you put that in policy or in the menu and use bylaw yeah

[1:32:59] Voice 4: well and i think that much

[1:33:00] Voice 4: community probably needs to say what is reasonable and and maybe develop a system like that we can

[1:33:10] Voice 4: then there is then a policy that says we're not going to you know enforce on this and you get

[1:33:17] Voice 4: it you get my dream

[1:33:17] Voice 15: that's i think that was a machine um

[1:33:21] Voice 14: yeah i

[1:33:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): have a couple of questions

[1:33:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): into clarity for the community's benefit is mine and then a couple of other kind of question areas

[1:33:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): so starting from the beginning so it strikes me there's two processes that you're going to hear

[1:33:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): one is with the local trust committee policies and one and the other with trust council correct

[1:33:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so you're going around and soliciting other ltcs with respect to more global changes and that

[1:33:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): will ultimately come to trust council to make a decision on and then you've got a more local policy

[1:34:00] Voice 11: so yes there's two parts so trust council will be we're going to present

[1:34:09] Voice 11: amendments to the trust council compliance and enforcement policy

[1:34:13] Voice 11: why to um the trustees the local trust committee as a whole that won't even that policy once we

[1:34:24] Voice 11: that is amended, if it is amended by Trust Council, won't address all of these specific

[1:34:29] Voice 11: issues for your local trust care. And as Trust Council policy already says that local trust

[1:34:36] Voice 11: committee is going to adopt your own specific policies. This thought of me is specific to

[1:34:41] Voice 11: you. I don't interpret anything right now that Trust Council would have to approve this

[1:34:48] Voice 11: policy. It can't conflict with Trust Council policy. You're sure that it doesn't. And perhaps

[1:34:55] within the Trust Council policies there can be reference further

[1:34:59] Voice 11: defining the

[1:35:01] policies

[1:35:01] Voice 11: that LTC's may or should make or shall you know just to make sure all

[1:35:07] Voice 11: the bases are covered so to speak but the two have to work together the Trust

[1:35:12] Voice 11: Council policies some of them are just outright budget decisions right are we

[1:35:17] Voice 11: going to allocate resources are we going to limit the number of files and what we

[1:35:22] Voice 11: can do as far as legal action and the process of proving legal action uh so that the budget issues

[1:35:31] Voice 11: are taken care of as far as staffing and the amount of resources that you are going to put

[1:35:36] Voice 11: to file on course this document is it's the local document

[1:35:41] Voice 12: it's

[1:35:43] Voice 11: dealing with those specific issues

[1:35:44] Voice 11: and concerns of the trustees and the community and how to to make it all work because there

[1:35:51] Voice 11: are regulations within every land use by law that you know we can look at all the time and say you

[1:35:57] Voice 11: know this why was that put in there because it's unreasonable or it's just unenforceable so we'll

[1:36:04] Voice 11: trust we just have to establish a policy on how to deal with that that's not a trust council policy

[1:36:10] Voice 11: there's greater issues with the organization um

[1:36:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): my next uh question and i didn't write down

[1:36:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): down what the seed of the thought was there,

[1:36:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): but you mentioned something about 1%

[1:36:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): of possibly files that are false or something.

[1:36:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): But my train of thought was,

[1:36:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): is those complaints that are legitimate complaints,

[1:36:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there is political direction from the Elton seed

[1:36:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): to say, no, don't enforce that.

[1:36:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you have an idea what percentage that is?

[1:36:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): It doesn't happen often, but I know it does happen.

[1:36:46] Voice 11: It's small as well, right?

[1:36:48] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:36:48] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:36:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I wonder about the anonymous thing, and this comes up all the time, is there an

[1:36:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): appeal process or is there some consideration for an individual that has a complaint but

[1:37:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): feels threatened by whomever it is that they're going to file a complaint about? How do you

[1:37:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): manage that situation?

[1:37:07] Voice 11: So a complainant who's reluctant to complain?

[1:37:12] Voice 11: So there are lots of phone calls that I get from individuals who are concerned about

[1:37:19] Voice 11: about bylaw contraventions, but they don't want to put it in writing because they do

[1:37:25] Voice 11: fear that their names will be somehow released. That normally doesn't happen, but as states

[1:37:33] Voice 11: and I believe it is right in the Trust Council policies, there is a risk that if you complain,

[1:37:39] Voice 11: even though we're supposed to keep it confidential, through legal action, it could be released.

[1:37:44] Voice 11: Somehow through FOI request it could be released. I don't know of any person's name being released

[1:37:51] Voice 11: through an FOI request, but it is possible through legal action. If Honest Trust gets sued over one

[1:38:00] Voice 11: of these, we've taken them to court, they have a counter claim, a judge can decide, yeah, everything

[1:38:05] Voice 11: will be disclosed. There'll be full discovery of the person's name. But again, those are rare

[1:38:10] Voice 11: incidents where and of course if eventually if we want that complainant as a witness they are

[1:38:17] Voice 11: going to make themselves they must make themselves known to the court but you're never going to use

[1:38:22] Voice 11: them as a witness but we almost never need them as a witness i mean they're reporting something

[1:38:28] Voice 11: concerned to us and it's a bylaw officer who goes and investigates and either there's a

[1:38:33] Voice 11: contravention or offense or there isn't and then it's the bylaw officer who is the accuser of

[1:38:38] Voice 11: people view their complainant as the appealant. It's actually the file officer or honest trust

[1:38:43] Voice 11: says, okay, I accuse you of meth. This is an offense. So it shouldn't be directed at the

[1:38:49] Voice 11: complaint. We're going to confirm whether or not there's an offense. We don't write tickets. We

[1:38:54] Voice 11: don't issue penalties based just on a complainant's information. We need to investigate first and then

[1:39:01] Voice 11: proceed from there. So there are lots of people who will not, they'll call me or they'll call

[1:39:06] Voice 11: the office but they won't submit written complaints just under that fear that um they'll be discovered

[1:39:13] Voice 11: and some of them do legitimately fear for their personal safety eyeless the people crying on the

[1:39:18] Voice 11: phone because they're concerned they feel bullied by their neighbors or whatever and they won't make

[1:39:22] Voice 11: complaints and there's nothing i can do we can't we don't take any verbal complaints must all be

[1:39:29] Voice 11: written but there are those island residents out there who they're concerned but they can't do it

[1:39:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the situation where there's no ability for the individuals for financial reasons or otherwise

[1:39:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be able to respond to a particular complaint how does that impact environmental or health

[1:39:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): related issues which to us have a much higher priority than setbacks

[1:40:03] Voice 11: So if there's real concern, if it's an environmentally sensitive area, we're going to proceed with

[1:40:08] Voice 11: enforcement.

[1:40:09] Voice 11: It's just trust policy.

[1:40:11] Voice 11: That's the main part of your mandate, environmental protection.

[1:40:15] Voice 11: So on that we proceed, but there are hoarders on every island and they're generally not

[1:40:25] Voice 11: dumping garbage or hoarding in an environmentally sensitive area.

[1:40:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can you just speak to the new information systems that we're rolling out for that public

[1:40:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): access opportunity for by-law enforcement and things?

[1:40:39] Voice 11: Is that City News?

[1:40:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes.

[1:40:41] Voice 11: So it's Honest Trust has adopted doing a changeover to a new software, it'll be a forward-facing

[1:40:49] Voice 11: public accessible software to submit planning applications, submit by-law complaints.

[1:40:53] Voice 11: complaints. The first part of the general health file is for us for planning applications

[1:40:58] Voice 11: and sometimes this year the bylaw portal will be added and then hopefully through that portal

[1:41:07] Voice 11: those subject to complaint should be able to see the work progress on their file as

[1:41:12] Voice 11: we go through our different steps and then there should be no surprises for anyone. You

[1:41:19] Voice 11: won't be able to see or shouldn't be able to see our notes on it. There might be some

[1:41:22] Voice 11: basic notes and it's primarily just what the work program is and how we're progressing along or okay

[1:41:28] Voice 11: the file's closed we've got to close the file or we have to proceed further and you know recommend

[1:41:36] Voice 11: other options talk to planning staff about compliance okay but i don't have any dates on that

[1:41:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah okay now my last one toby mentioned cultural heritage sites and how we should have to add that

[1:41:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it strikes me that there should be some kind of an area, an area of jurisdiction or the coverage of this policy sort of disclosed right at the beginning that says environment, health, hopefully very precise.

[1:42:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because obviously some of that stuff is the jurisdiction of somebody else.

[1:42:06] Voice 14: Yes.

[1:42:09] Voice 14: It's great.

[1:42:10] Voice 4: So a specific question, just returning to the issue of domestic garbage.

[1:42:14] Voice 4: how would we say we want to prioritize this or deprioritize this so it says 3.2 prohibited in

[1:42:24] Voice 4: all zones following uses are prohibited in any zone fine area storage and disposal of domestic

[1:42:29] Voice 4: hazardous and toxic waste so it's just an example i'm not saying they should do it but

[1:42:34] Voice 4: if the local trust committee hearing from mudge says you know this is too onerous uh

[1:42:41] Voice 4: enforcement on to disposal of domestic waste how would you phrase that in the policy

[1:42:49] Voice 4: when it's conflated with hazardous and toxic as well so

[1:42:55] Voice 11: what we do like main island for example

[1:42:57] Voice 11: doesn't have any references to domestic guns it's all hazardous waste

[1:43:02] Voice 14: so

[1:43:03] Voice 11: you can amend the land use

[1:43:05] Voice 11: file and take out the reference to it oh we will

[1:43:07] Voice 11: this whole storage of domestic garbage and just

[1:43:10] Voice 11: leave it as hazardous yeah

[1:43:11] Voice 14: yeah but

[1:43:12] Voice 11: if you're going to store dozens and dozens of batteries

[1:43:16] Voice 11: on the property regularize the bottle okay that may be hazardous but you can do another

[1:43:21] Voice 11: i mean actually gabriel on land use by law actually doesn't outright prohibit

[1:43:26] Voice 11: the storage or disposal of domestic garbage on land

[1:43:33] Voice 5: well

[1:43:33] Voice 11: you have to look at the hoarders whether or not they're running a junkyard or a garbage

[1:43:38] Voice 11: If they're just, this is my personal property, this is my collection of stuff.

[1:43:42] Voice 3: All that waste. Really?

[1:43:45] Voice 11: Well, they're saying it's their personal property. They're not trying to dispose of their garbage.

[1:43:49] Voice 11: In fact, some of them, they are disposing of their garbage, but then they have the collection of whatever they want to collect.

[1:43:54] Voice 11: And that's just their personal property.

[1:43:56] Voice 14: Yeah.

[1:43:57] Voice 11: I mean, you can, I mean, you know, you can really use

[1:43:59] Voice 14: a lot of garbage as a

[1:44:00] Voice 11: way to, it's not garbage.

[1:44:04] Voice 14: Very good.

[1:44:05] Voice 11: And you can put that in the policy. Say this, you're going to, you know.

[1:44:09] Voice 4: So like not, so referencing only hazardous garbage or toxic waste, you know, domestic is not a priority.

[1:44:17] Voice 4: That's what I want to know is we can, we can distinguish. We don't have to say, you know, that section deprioritized.

[1:44:23] Voice 4: We have, we have to just articulate what's not a priority.

[1:44:29] Voice 4: garbage. Okay. I have one question. It doesn't relate directly to the much by laws, but I need

[1:44:36] Voice 4: to ask it because I have been asked this several times. So one of the hoarding properties on

[1:44:41] Voice 4: Gabriela, it's huge. And in fact, it does include really nasty garbage, like nasty.

[1:44:48] Voice 4: And there's a nice garbage. Yeah. Like food and stuff like that, that's rotting and there's rats

[1:44:55] Voice 4: there and so the neighbors said to me that they have had no luck in doing

[1:45:02] Voice 4: anything by the Islands Trust because apparently it's a regional district bylaw for unsightly property

[1:45:10] Voice 4: so how does how does that work together with the RDN bylaw for unsightly property

[1:45:15] Voice 4: what's a big question

[1:45:17] Voice 3: for this whole bylaw change in policy too

[1:45:21] Voice 11: so right now we can't do anything about the inciting let's go to the rdn and the rdn could

[1:45:27] Voice 11: enforce it um but that's on the rdn side and what resources they have i i do know there's been

[1:45:35] Voice 11: enforcement of unsightly premises on gabriel by the rdn we've

[1:45:40] Voice 3: actually forced a cleanup and then

[1:45:42] Voice 3: and you build a really egregious property.

[1:45:45] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:45:46] Voice 3: Now we're shooting.

[1:45:47] Voice 3: Well, that wasn't the answer.

[1:45:49] Voice 3: That was the one on the ..

[1:45:51] Voice 4: People keep asking me about ..

[1:45:53] Voice 4: They need to file a complaint.

[1:45:55] Voice 4: OK.

[1:45:56] Voice 4: That's very helpful to know how that works.

[1:45:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): So this has been a really great conversation.

[1:46:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm hoping that it's valuable to you.

[1:46:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I think we've got a staff report here that's

[1:46:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): got some recommended directions.

[1:46:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we've heard that we want to have some public, the community wants to have some public

[1:46:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): complications, a direct relationship between MICA as an association and the LTC.

[1:46:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's just, we don't need to actually acknowledge that.

[1:46:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): If we can recognize that it's a formal conduit, it's a best practice that we use everywhere.

[1:46:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): So certainly we want to acknowledge that.

[1:46:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So there is a recommendation here that to continue this work, essentially, which is

[1:46:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): what you're looking for.

[1:46:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so perhaps there's an expansion of this motion here that's, it's interesting, this is a staff report, and yes, it's a decision item, but nonetheless, there's a motion there.

[1:46:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Should we expand that to, say, include public consultation, et cetera?

[1:46:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes, Chair, actually.

[1:47:00] Voice 12: Okay, so I'm

[1:47:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to turn to the trustees to ask you.

[1:47:03] Voice 4: so can we use the july 16th meeting and sort of have time for public consult because that is

[1:47:10] Voice 4: there's two agenda items that's talking about file enforcement policies so um if the trust

[1:47:17] Voice 4: committee is agreeable and warrants could be present we could add this to say that

[1:47:24] Voice 4: and public consultation on you know from the much community uh on an ongoing basis but like do you

[1:47:36] Voice 4: want to do you want to get to an end date like you know at the end by the end of july we want to sort

[1:47:41] Voice 4: of wrap up the intake and so we can move forward so you don't want this dragging out forever so

[1:47:50] Voice 4: that gives time for input before you can write written submissions you can have a conversation

[1:47:55] Voice 4: at the july 16th meeting and maybe present here's what we'd like to see staff will have time to

[1:48:01] Voice 4: revise the draft but there should be an end date for when we're going to do public consultation

[1:48:07] Voice 4: where i'd like to

[1:48:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's good it's great to frame it in some fashion i would like to actually get

[1:48:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): a sense from warren about the realistic time frame and then

[1:48:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): i would just say out loud that

[1:48:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know there may be people that are not full-time residents of much that are more readily

[1:48:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): accessible through the summer and so um it may be that there's some consultation that's to say

[1:48:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're done in some discussion within your own group because july 16th actually is just around

[1:48:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): the corner and but i think i sort of said this would be a great kickoff right to get it started

[1:48:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): to start that formal effect but I don't know when a wrap-up might be sort of

[1:48:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): warned you have any thoughts I think we could wrap it up by October

[1:48:52] Voice 14: okay perfect

[1:48:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): that sounds achievable I'm seeing nodding in the room nodding in the room

[1:49:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): is good and so yeah yeah

[1:49:04] Voice 4: so I would amend it to say direct staff to provide

[1:49:07] Voice 4: an end of the proposed bylaw compliance enforcement policy with any inputs from community members

[1:49:15] Voice 4: because that opens it up to figure it went on just restricted too much with input from community

[1:49:20] Voice 4: members through summer 2024 and bring it forward for consideration of the ltc and not forward

[1:49:29] Voice 4: i'll second that i just wrote that down myself great okay

[1:49:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): now lisa um i apologize i didn't

[1:49:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): acknowledge you're up there in internet land uh recording our meeting and taking minutes of stuff

[1:49:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): did you catch that motion uh

[1:49:45] Voice 5: terry luckham yes i did

[1:49:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): perfect she's amazing you're an amazing person

[1:49:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you all right are we comfortable with that motion let me read it again sure okay

[1:49:56] Voice 4: so i move

[1:49:57] Voice 4: at the gabriella island local trust committee direct staff to revise and edit the proposed

[1:50:00] Voice 4: both file on compliance and enforcement policy and consult with community members through summer 2024 and bring it forward by October 2024 for the LTC's consideration.

[1:50:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So move, and that was seconded by Susan Yates.

[1:50:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any further discussions?

[1:50:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): No?

[1:50:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just want to say, so, you know, this is a decision and conversation happens at this table.

[1:50:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's the way the decision-making measures work.

[1:50:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): but I just want to acknowledge that what we've heard from you today and collaborating with you

[1:50:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): is important and there's lots of opportunity to flow with this as is necessary and I think that

[1:50:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm hoping that you understand that we're genuinely interested in advancing this work with

[1:50:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): with you not in isolation so if there's

[1:50:48] Voice 4: any other comments

[1:50:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): then I'll call the vote yeah just one

[1:50:50] Voice 4: One comment. So the recognition of Micah as a formal body, we will probably raise that piece of correspondence and discuss it then.

[1:50:59] Voice 4: But I think I do agree with the chair that there isn't, we may make the resolution recognizing you, but I wouldn't want to limit it to just that body.

[1:51:11] Voice 4: We'll just say that, yes, we're going to work with you and collaborate. I love all that language in there.

[1:51:15] Voice 4: and but I don't think we need to go through any formal process to formalize that just keep it

[1:51:23] Voice 4: a working relationship and

[1:51:25] Voice 14: it will be

[1:51:26] Voice 4: recognized in writing yeah we've got the letter it's on

[1:51:29] Voice 4: show

[1:51:29] Voice 12: match deal

[1:51:30] Voice 4: with that when we get there

[1:51:31] Voice 4: and correspond can I

[1:51:32] Voice 12: ask a question

[1:51:33] Voice 12: if that's okay yeah I could can we assume then that the pause on enforcement which is now in

[1:51:38] Voice 12: place will stay in place until October

[1:51:40] Voice 14: yes the

[1:51:43] Voice 12: resolutions are not rescinding

[1:51:44] Voice 12: I'm sure we've made some other decisions, yeah, it's important.

[1:51:49] Voice 4: Actually, until the policies have been looked at in the latest pilot.

[1:51:53] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:51:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Great.

[1:51:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so then I'll call the vote. I'll leave it there.

[1:52:00] Voice 14: So that carries.

[1:52:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Unanimous.

[1:52:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's good.

[1:52:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Warren, thank you very much for your work.

[1:52:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I appreciate the community being here and acknowledging the work that Warren has done.

[1:52:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's good for me to hear that.

[1:52:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's fantastic.

[1:52:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, you know, we're pretty close to our lunch, Bob, here.

[1:52:19] Voice 4: We have one option in the audience.

[1:52:21] Voice 4: It's for the temporary user.

[1:52:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:52:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Fair enough.

[1:52:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm just going to say, should we maybe recess for a minute?

[1:52:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Does everybody want to stay glued to their seats here and watch the rest of the business

[1:52:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): that we're going to conduct here?

[1:52:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you want to recess for a couple of minutes?

[1:52:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then we'll

[1:52:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): pick up and then we'll actually have a formal break for lunch.

[1:52:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): now giving you folks the opportunity

[1:52:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): that it's been riveting.

[1:52:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): I really appreciate

[1:52:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): seeing so many of you.

[1:52:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): You're a landlocked.

[1:53:09] Voice 14: Can Lisa, you can hear us?

[1:53:16] Voice 5: I can.

[1:53:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So we're back online

[1:53:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): here. So we're going to

[1:53:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): mix up the agenda a little bit more.

[1:53:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): That was 12.1 that we

[1:53:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): just did. We're going to go

[1:53:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): to help you out, which I don't know

[1:53:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): 8.1. We're going to

[1:53:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): go to 8.1, which is on page 34 of the agenda. And then we're going

[1:53:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): to break the line. So welcome, sir. Thank you for being here. So we receive a report

[1:53:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): from staff. They tell us what they think about it. And then I'm going to turn to you as the

[1:53:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant to ask you whether you concur with the recommendation or you have any other important

[1:53:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): and if you have any new information that you'd like to bring to the attention of the RPC,

[1:54:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then we'll have a conversation here. We may have questions for you,

[1:54:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions for staff, and then we'll make a decision.

[1:54:09] Voice 4: Great, I'll be sure to update you. Yeah, so I assume you've all read the report, the staff

[1:54:14] Voice 4: report. This is the TUPE application for the temporary use of an accessory dwelling in a

[1:54:21] Voice 4: commercial aviation rental for a period of three years 565

[1:54:27] Voice 15: south road

[1:54:35] Voice 4: staff was recommending issues considering that no formal concerns have been raised

[1:54:40] Voice 4: during the operation of the commercial aviation rental to date the applicant

[1:54:45] Voice 4: provided updated information regarding the safety and stability of the dwelling

[1:54:51] Voice 4: I should also note that the applicant has previously applied for and received approval

[1:54:55] Voice 4: for a TUP in 2015 as well as a TUP renewal in 2019

[1:55:01] Voice 4: for the use of the same accessory

[1:55:03] Voice 4: dwelling as the commercial vacation rental unit and the historic permits have been included

[1:55:08] Voice 4: as an attachment to the staff report.

[1:55:11] Voice 4: One note that has sort of new information since the report was published, staff note

[1:55:18] Voice 4: that the referral to the Islands Trust Conservancy was not flagged in the staff report initially but

[1:55:24] Voice 4: that upon further consideration the close proximity of the subject property to Burns

[1:55:29] Voice 4: Acres warranted referral and staff have provided the following updated comments.

[1:55:36] Voice 4: The Local Trust Committee and temporary use permit applicants should ensure that no access occurs

[1:55:41] Voice 4: from the applicant's property or temporary use permit area into Burns Acres Nature Sanctuary.

[1:55:48] Voice 4: Public access is not permitted in the sanctuary due to its highly sensitive natural features.

[1:55:53] Voice 4: The ITC asks that residents and visitors recreate in the nearby 707 community park or other

[1:56:00] Voice 4: appropriate locations around the island to help protect the burns and retain your sanctuary's

[1:56:05] Voice 4: natural values. This information has also been provided to the applicant who's present to answer

[1:56:10] Voice 4: or any questions okay well

[1:56:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you so just on that last one so you understand

[1:56:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): the what the ls just concerned to see is that you know there'd be no access to your property

[1:56:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): to that property because of the basically the property management plan which in place

[1:56:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): that was going to be my next question is it a physical barrier that

[1:56:35] Voice 4: was part of our check when

[1:56:36] Voice 4: we did the nature research awesome you guys awesome

[1:56:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so um then so we've had our staff

[1:56:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): report do you have any additional information or new information that's no okay thank you um

[1:56:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustees any questions for the applicant or staff yes a couple of

[1:56:53] Voice 4: comments a couple comments

[1:56:54] Voice 4: question for staff too um and a question for erin i what i what i was going to ask for rather than

[1:57:08] Voice 4: the recommendation that has been suggested by staff is that we simply issue it i was going to

[1:57:13] Voice 4: actually ask for an alternative in that we issue it with the continuation of the two bedroom limit

[1:57:23] Voice 4: that you now have because it actually allows like the zoning allows for you to have four bedrooms

[1:57:30] Voice 4: but i do not want to see that and part of the reason i don't want to see that is

[1:57:34] Voice 4: is A, you've been doing fine with two,

[1:57:37] Voice 4: but B, you're in a sensitive wetland area

[1:57:42] Voice 4: and there is some concerns with the water,

[1:57:45] Voice 4: not just the supplies but the quality of the water

[1:57:48] Voice 4: and it's in this report.

[1:57:50] Voice 4: So far so good and all the reports you've provided

[1:57:53] Voice 4: give me pretty good insurance,

[1:57:55] Voice 4: but I wouldn't want to see more than the two extra bedrooms.

[1:58:00] Voice 4: And the only other tiny little comment I have for you,

[1:58:03] Voice 4: the applicant, is that in the information you give for your guests, it would be great if you could

[1:58:13] Voice 4: give them some basic information about the cultural heritage of the Sinema people,

[1:58:19] Voice 4: which I'm sure the museum could help you with. And it would be great if your listing of phone

[1:58:27] Voice 4: numbers for handy services could include the Gurdie bus because you are on the bus route.

[1:58:36] Voice 4: And Gurdie riders guides have just been published and they're at the visitors information center.

[1:58:42] Voice 4: They don't cost anything and it'd be great if you provided those as well because your place

[1:58:48] Voice 4: is ideal for active transportation. No question about it. So then my only

[1:58:53] Voice 4: other question was to

[1:58:55] Voice 4: to staff, thank you so much, Planner Timaeus.

[1:58:59] Voice 4: You all just do such a great job of giving us,

[1:59:03] Voice 4: here's what's happening and here's how it fits in.

[1:59:07] Voice 4: The one thing I would like to see,

[1:59:10] Voice 4: which I have asked for before,

[1:59:12] Voice 4: and I know you've provided before,

[1:59:14] Voice 4: is in the Planner comments under the TUP guidelines,

[1:59:19] Voice 4: the very first one is there are currently six active TUPs.

[1:59:23] Voice 4: I always like to know the context um so this would this be number seven or would this be part of

[1:59:32] Voice 4: the six that are active now this is fine I think this is six I

[1:59:37] Voice 14: think this is six yeah I'm pretty

[1:59:39] Voice 4: sure it is anyway that aside um I know a few meetings ago I asked if you could provide just

[1:59:46] Voice 4: the basic map that shows the locations of the existing TMPs for STBRs,

[1:59:54] Voice 4: only because I have an existential neurosis about

[2:00:00] Voice 4: having been to Hornby and Salt Spring, about party zones, and I know we're not going to let that happen here.

[2:00:08] Voice 4: So that would be super helpful to me. Thank you. I think that's it for my comments.

[2:00:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): So do you concur this is the sixth, part of the sixth, because it's been renewed, it was initially applied for renewed, and now, because the three, the renewal periods are out, it has to apply for a renewed program?

[2:00:27] Voice 4: sure yeah i think it yeah i think it was i think it would be the seventh

[2:00:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah okay

[2:00:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): and were you seeking any kind of an amendment to the term yes

[2:00:39] Voice 4: i would like to

[2:00:40] Voice 4: well what should we want to hear from trustee ellen first but i i would be proposing an

[2:00:46] Voice 4: alternative option and i would be proposing proposing additional conditions uh and the

[2:00:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): the

[2:00:54] Voice 4: two bedrooms limit right

[2:00:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): so what you're wanting to do is amend the permit um because

[2:01:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): you wouldn't change the motion per se correct me if i'm wrong you'd make an amendment to the

[2:01:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit and then approve the permit yeah um

[2:01:10] Voice 4: so what's the previous permit for three bedrooms

[2:01:13] Voice 4: and i would want to hear the applicant yeah do

[2:01:16] Voice 1: you

[2:01:17] Voice 3: have any intentions to do you need to expand

[2:01:19] Voice 3: there's

[2:01:20] Voice 1: only two bedrooms yeah i don't know like one time it said up to four

[2:01:24] Voice 1: bedrooms and then but if it's a two bedroom okay

[2:01:29] Voice 4: so just

[2:01:30] Voice 4: limiting to two would be fine with you

[2:01:32] Voice 4: okay so and i concur with the first nations um heritage or historically used to be area that's

[2:01:40] Voice 4: actually a change from the previous permit um it wasn't on the previous two so it maybe just missed

[2:01:47] Voice 4: that but um there's some really good examples the last couple of two years that came forward

[2:01:53] Voice 4: is some good wording and that would be well well

[2:01:58] Voice 4: it's it's a condition of the permit actually so

[2:02:01] Voice 4: it's not in this application but it does say information must be posted for guests pertaining

[2:02:09] Voice 4: to digital investigations historical use of the area that's already it is so

[2:02:15] Voice 4: we don't have to

[2:02:15] Voice 4: amend anything just you would need to write that up yeah

[2:02:19] Voice 14: yeah

[2:02:20] Voice 4: and i don't have any questions and

[2:02:22] Voice 4: would just say you're a very valued member of this community and your farm is I think

[2:02:29] Voice 4: an essential part of this community's fabric and if you want to do anything we can to encourage

[2:02:33] Voice 4: you to keep going so I do definitely support the the guest house use

[2:02:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so are you seeing the necessity for the amendment to the terms yes

[2:02:47] Voice 14: okay so you're going

[2:02:48] Voice 14: make a question

[2:02:48] Voice 4: i move that the gabriel island local trust committee approved

[2:02:52] Voice 4: issuance of gbtup 2024.2 for a period of three years subject to the following

[2:02:59] Voice 4: to the additional conditions stated in this meeting well

[2:03:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm just going to ask margaret

[2:03:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you want a motion that just makes the amendment not not subject to approval because that's better

[2:03:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[2:03:17] Voice 4: there's a draft motion at the bottom of the report or alternatives yeah yeah so yeah

[2:03:23] Voice 4: it's technically not an additional condition it's a change to an existing condition

[2:03:30] Voice 4: um but i think there's a way to to specify you know um subject to attending a draft

[2:03:38] Voice 4: So

[2:03:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): can we have a recommendation from you for the motion specifically?

[2:03:46] Voice 4: To reduce the maximum number of bedrooms from four to two.

[2:03:52] Voice 14: Yeah. Yeah.

[2:03:54] Voice 4: Yeah. So that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee approved issuance of GDT-P2024

[2:04:00] Voice 15: .2 for a period of three years subject to reducing the maximum number of bedrooms from two.

[2:04:07] Voice 15: to absolutely okay

[2:04:09] Voice 14: that's that's right yeah good

[2:04:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh lisa you got that yes

[2:04:16] Voice 5: chair lockham i have that

[2:04:17] Voice 5: thank

[2:04:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): you uh so moved by trustee yates seconded by trustee elliott thank you any further discussion

[2:04:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): all those in favor there they go that's approved good luck with that and um thank you for being

[2:04:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): here

[2:04:31] Voice 4: and thank you for adding those extra bits of information for your

[2:04:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): guests that's a really good

[2:04:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): point so let's recess for lunch break and we'll come back at 10 minutes after one is that okay

[2:04:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): everybody lisa go look after that on the screen

[2:04:49] Voice 14: lisa are you with us we've just

[2:05:07] Voice 4: got a few more

[2:05:08] Voice 4: minutes because we said 10 after one yeah

[2:05:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'd just like to get the video going i am here

[2:05:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, great.

[2:05:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll start at 110 and proceed.

[2:05:22] Voice 15: Sounds good.

[2:05:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Everything okay for you?

[2:05:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just new opportunities looking out, getting the rhythm of it?

[2:05:32] Voice 5: Pretty much, yeah.

[2:05:34] Voice 5: I mean, I'm almost ready to actually go back to the office.

[2:05:39] Voice 5: So I broke my leg five days into the job, or my ankle, and so...

[2:05:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I do

[2:05:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): know that, yeah.

[2:05:48] Voice 5: I've been working from home since

[2:05:49] Voice 5: and I go back to the office next week.

[2:05:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): It'll be nice to be back

[2:05:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): with people, that's for sure.

[2:05:54] Voice 5: Exactly, yeah. Although my dog will think

[2:05:57] Voice 5: otherwise.

[2:05:59] Voice 4: Where's she going?

[2:06:01] Voice 4: She's staying at home.

[2:06:03] Voice 4: No, I meant the dog's comments, like

[2:06:05] Voice 4: wait, where are you going?

[2:06:08] Voice 4: This is working

[2:06:09] Voice 4: well.

[2:06:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so page four

[2:06:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): on our agenda, I think is where we're at.

[2:06:24] Voice 14: okay

[2:06:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's 110 so welcome back everybody to the local trust committee meeting have you got that

[2:06:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): streaming no okay we'll pause for a second we

[2:06:46] Voice 4: need you to do the video lisa i think you need

[2:06:53] Voice 4: to turn our video on there we go together

[2:07:07] Voice 15: again

[2:07:09] Voice 14: there

[2:07:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): we go okay welcome back everybody to the

[2:07:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gabrielle Island Local Trust Committee for June the 27th. Where's time going? Halfway through this

[2:07:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): year. We've already passed the solstice. We have. Anyway, we've conducted some good business this

[2:07:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): morning. We advanced 12.1, the bylaw enforcement policy work, while we had a significant

[2:07:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): representation from the Baja Island here. It was really great to see all those people.

[2:07:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we also have advanced and approved the temporary use permit at item 8.1 i believe

[2:07:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): that was yeah so we're now going to go to page four of our agenda trust committee meeting

[2:07:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes of may the 23rd and i'll ask if there's any changes to those minutes just toby one small

[2:08:01] Voice 4: note on page five to the draft the minutes uh reported that i reported the following

[2:08:08] Voice 4: I will be attending the Ocean's Day event.

[2:08:10] Voice 4: I didn't attend.

[2:08:11] Voice 4: I think I gave notice that it was happening,

[2:08:14] Voice 4: but I was not able to attend.

[2:08:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[2:08:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you can make that at at least seven.

[2:08:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): And therefore, I will, by general consent,

[2:08:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): adopt the minutes as amended.

[2:08:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): So nothing at 6.2 today or 6.3.

[2:08:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): This brings us to business arising from the minutes,

[2:08:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): the follow-up action list of June the 19th is there for information unless Stephen you have

[2:08:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): anything else to add. I don't have anything else to add.

[2:08:49] Voice 13: You'll notice though that there is a

[2:08:50] Voice 13: progress bar or joint percentage. So there's a couple items there that you're starting to use

[2:08:58] Voice 13: that function.

[2:09:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right I should have I've seen it before so I didn't think to mention it but that

[2:09:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): is a significant change and I think will be helpful.

[2:09:09] Voice 4: I have one question for Planner Bao.

[2:09:16] Voice 4: On the last page of the follow-up action report,

[2:09:21] Voice 4: the GBRZ 2022.1 was referred to Senior Fetch Water Specialist.

[2:09:29] Voice 4: So that was done. Is there an ETA for when we might get that back

[2:09:33] Voice 4: or when the next steps will happen?

[2:09:36] Voice 13: I have not.

[2:09:37] Voice 13: I've met with the applicant,

[2:09:39] Voice 13: and I have forwarded over to the senior freshwater specialist,

[2:09:43] Voice 13: and I'm totally in your response.

[2:09:46] Voice 13: So I don't have a date yet for when you might be able to respond to that.

[2:09:51] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:09:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[2:09:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Toby, anything?

[2:09:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): No?

[2:09:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll receive that confirmation, though.

[2:09:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for that advice.

[2:09:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the next item here is 7.2,

[2:10:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): the speculation and vacancy tax memorandum here um do you have any remarks you'd like to make or

[2:10:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): you'd like to feel questions um

[2:10:12] Voice 13: yeah i'm happy to share a little bit uh which is to summarize

[2:10:19] Voice 13: the report but um the the ltc didn't request that report back on options for opting into the

[2:10:25] Voice 13: speculation vacancy tax and it is possible that a request can be made to the minister to include

[2:10:32] Voice 13: the Gabriel Local Trust area in the applicable area for the tax and the South Brim local trust

[2:10:39] Voice 13: area sent a letter to the minister related to the speculation vacancy tax and they did receive a

[2:10:47] Voice 13: response that mentioned there's several factors that are taken into consideration when they

[2:10:52] Voice 13: determine where to expand that area to. And so we assess the

[2:10:57] Voice 13: value of the residential property, population, proximity

[2:11:01] Voice 13: to other areas of the town supplies, whether the community

[2:11:04] Voice 13: is a vacation area, and also requests for inclusion. The

[2:11:10] Voice 13: Island Trust Advocacy Policy does direct that these kinds of

[2:11:15] Voice 13: requests should be coordinated through executive committee. And

[2:11:18] Voice 13: so if the ILOC wants to advance this request, they could request

[2:11:21] Voice 13: that staff prepare a request for decision to in the EC

[2:11:26] Voice 13: regarding our request to the province

[2:11:27] Voice 13: for the payroll LTA to be included

[2:11:30] Voice 13: in the prescriptive area.

[2:11:32] Voice 4: I have a question with regard to that.

[2:11:35] Voice 4: Steven, when Salt Spring did their request,

[2:11:39] Voice 4: which was different than ours,

[2:11:40] Voice 4: they didn't do that as an advocacy to the EC, did they?

[2:11:44] Voice 4: They just did it.

[2:11:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): They went directly.

[2:11:46] Voice 4: Yeah, right.

[2:11:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): It was early days.

[2:11:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[2:11:49] Voice 4: okay that answers that question um so my own personal preference would be i would like

[2:11:57] Voice 4: to opt in to the speculation and vacancy tax for the gabriola ltc but i'm wondering if we're doing

[2:12:06] Voice 4: it through the ec as an advocacy should we be including other ltcs like like like we can only

[2:12:14] Voice 4: ask for ourselves and that's only mine i mean is it does it make more sense to ask as a group or

[2:12:23] Voice 4: because that could take forever whereas we have it before us now and you know we can make that

[2:12:30] Voice 4: request we know we can legally do that and we know we can't ask the ec to do that whether or not the

[2:12:36] Voice 4: see since it was another thing yeah

[2:12:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): um i don't know toby do you have a feeling for any of your

[2:12:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): ltc's was an interesting person um i

[2:12:47] Voice 4: wouldn't say that the small communities would see because i'm

[2:12:53] Voice 4: looking at the conditions really low vacancy rates disproportionately high housing prices

[2:12:58] Voice 4: prices and really i think the reason salt spring applied is because that was affecting

[2:13:06] Voice 4: they were seeing uh speculators taking advantage and um it was making housing incredibly difficult

[2:13:16] Voice 4: so does the same condition apply to gabriela perhaps that's kind of maybe a discussion

[2:13:21] Voice 4: Are we at destination or at risk of being a destination location for speculators?

[2:13:33] Voice 4: It's hard to say. Like I don't have any data on housing prices that say we're disproportionately higher.

[2:13:43] Voice 4: We're close to an urban center and yet we've got large acreages.

[2:13:48] Voice 4: so it makes sense if people are going to speculate and buy property and then i don't know but for

[2:13:55] Voice 4: what purpose you can't over develop here like what defining speculation in what way well the

[2:14:02] Voice 4: province defines it and they set the limit so that's not mine where my point really is

[2:14:08] Voice 4: do we want to be proactive and ask to be included in this and i think we do but you know that's just

[2:14:17] Voice 4: my own well i think there'd be a lot of pushback from the community to be honest because it's it's

[2:14:23] Voice 4: not just speculation it's vacancy so i

[2:14:25] Voice 4: don't have empty homes yeah being taxed so is this part of

[2:14:31] Voice 4: an lcp review where we consider it an approach no i wouldn't wait because it's before us now and

[2:14:39] Voice 4: it's a yes or no thing no it's not before this isn't a not done now thing this is

[2:14:47] Voice 4: This isn't an urgent piece.

[2:14:51] Voice 4: What was this triggered by anyways?

[2:14:53] Voice 13: This wasn't able to see the motions in this in the past.

[2:15:03] Voice 13: And

[2:15:03] Voice 4: it's probably because

[2:15:04] Voice 13: it came

[2:15:06] Voice 4: to us as part of the housing amendment packages.

[2:15:10] Voice 4: And that was one of and it and through the advice of I think it was probably

[2:15:14] Voice 4: Stephen Cermak, it said, you know, LTCs can opt into this.

[2:15:19] Voice 4: That was

[2:15:19] Voice 4: the meeting I missed because I was like,

[2:15:22] Voice 4: I don't remember discussing this.

[2:15:23] Voice 4: That was probably the March meeting.

[2:15:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Really?

[2:15:26] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:15:27] Voice 4: That's weird.

[2:15:29] Voice 5: I can be wrong.

[2:15:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, anyway, it

[2:15:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): doesn't matter.

[2:15:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): LTC has requested this memorandum we've had before us now.

[2:15:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And

[2:15:36] Voice 4: we could be turned down too.

[2:15:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[2:15:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, you want to be careful about that because opting in is one thing,

[2:15:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): opting out is another thing but what i wonder is and toby's hinted about that and is how do you

[2:15:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): gauge the community interest in this

[2:15:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): because you don't

[2:15:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): necessarily want to whether it's the right

[2:15:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): thing to do or not and certainly we want to figure out how to address the issues that it's designed

[2:16:09] Voice 4: Well, it's designed to address empty homes.

[2:16:12] Voice 4: It's designed to address the fact that there are empty homes sitting there.

[2:16:17] Voice 4: And yes, some of them are only sitting there for 10 months a year.

[2:16:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, then there's a big difference, right? Those who have been sitting empty for 10 years is a different thing.

[2:16:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): And how do you measure that? I think it's all or nothing.

[2:16:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't think that there is a graduated scale.

[2:16:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): and

[2:16:35] Voice 4: you know it's been pointed out to us by by province actually that this is one of the tools

[2:16:41] Voice 4: along all those other housing amendments that you can use to encourage or allow more dwellings to be

[2:16:52] Voice 4: dwelt in it may be a very imprecise tool and it may seem like a punishing tool for people who have

[2:17:01] Voice 4: more than one home i suppose it is i mean that's where you get the pushback from you get the

[2:17:06] Voice 4: pushback from people who are wealthy enough to have more than yeah

[2:17:09] Voice 14: but

[2:17:10] Voice 4: it's we tax people in

[2:17:13] Voice 4: our province and in our country for all sorts of wealthy accoutrements you know people who have

[2:17:19] Voice 4: this more than this more than this they get taxed on those things and there's a reason for that

[2:17:25] Voice 4: because the taxes go back into public revenue hopefully to provide for things like housing

[2:17:32] Voice 4: comes about but i just don't know if there's enough justification and i i would not feel

[2:17:38] Voice 4: comfortable going ahead without a little bit more information i'm comfortable okay so there's two

[2:17:43] Voice 4: things because the next step is to request staff to prepare a request for decision to be essentially

[2:17:48] Voice 4: committee so executive committee can consider it potentially and ask other ltcs if they're

[2:17:57] Voice 4: interested i think it makes more sense if it's more than just one an advocacy letter once you

[2:18:03] Voice 4: want to come from it's not just another way you have

[2:18:07] Voice 4: one ltc but i think the further stuff for us

[2:18:11] Voice 4: to do is through the ocp process um and add this to the bin i'm sorry with that too ascertain if

[2:18:18] Voice 4: If this is an

[2:18:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): important

[2:18:24] Voice 4: support for housing supply on Gabriel because

[2:18:30] Voice 3: I don't.

[2:18:31] Voice 4: This will take a while executive committee needs to it's not gonna be 20 next March.

[2:18:36] Voice 4: So i'm comfortable moving that prepare a request for decision to executive committee.

[2:18:44] Voice 4: But I think we should add, considering inclusion in this tax, in our discussions on housing,

[2:18:56] Voice 15: the OCP review.

[2:18:58] Voice 15: But

[2:18:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think it needs to happen in that way.

[2:19:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): OCP review.

[2:19:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): To determine whether or not it's something.

[2:19:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Through the OCP review.

[2:19:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because what is exactly the committee going to do?

[2:19:08] Voice 4: Yeah, right.

[2:19:09] Voice 4: They're going to say, you guys are going to discuss it, right?

[2:19:11] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:19:11] Voice 4: And I actually do agree, Toby, that it's probably a good thing to discuss during the OCP process to find out if people in this island support it.

[2:19:21] Voice 14: Well,

[2:19:22] Voice 4: and what data is there to support this? Do we know how many empty homes we're talking about? That's what I'm...

[2:19:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, they would be non-primary residences, right? So they wouldn't be somebody's primary residence. And so potentially they're vacant.

[2:19:37] Voice 4: Yeah, so I want to do a little more research before we just...

[2:19:40] Voice 4: Because

[2:19:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): they might be rented.

[2:19:41] Voice 4: ask for inclusion. Yeah.

[2:19:47] Voice 15: The time to see.

[2:19:49] Voice 4: Okay, I'm done. I'm

[2:19:52] Voice 4: okay with that. I am okay

[2:19:53] Voice 4: with that. I just want us not to use this because the province

[2:19:56] Voice 4: have given us these options. So then this number so we're going

[2:20:00] Voice 4: to move that this memorandum be added to consideration of

[2:20:03] Voice 4: housing policies. Yeah. And for discussion with the community.

[2:20:08] Voice 4: Yeah. A

[2:20:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): lovely motion. Did you get that, Lisa?

[2:20:12] Voice 4: Toby, do you want to make that motion? I move that the memorandum

[2:20:16] Voice 4: on the speculation of vacancy tax regulation be added

[2:20:19] Voice 4: to the OCP project for further discussion

[2:20:24] Voice 4: with the community on housing

[2:20:28] Voice 4: or just housing. Yeah. On housing.

[2:20:33] Voice 4: I'll second that and supply.

[2:20:36] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:20:40] Voice 13: I think you do have a meeting coming up for July 4th, I believe, where you're discussing your engagements and your next phase for the OCP, and so I think it's okay to put the motion, but that might just be an opportunity for you as well, just to highlight this as something that you would like to reach out to.

[2:21:04] Voice 15: Yeah, it's a

[2:21:05] Voice 15: potential tool.

[2:21:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so Lisa,

[2:21:16] Voice 5: you got it this time?

[2:21:18] Voice 5: That's confirmed. Yes, I have it.

[2:21:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): She's amazing.

[2:21:24] Voice 4: So

[2:21:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): then it's moved by Toby, seconded by Susan Yates, and I'll call for the vote.

[2:21:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[2:21:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): That carries unanimously.

[2:21:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right. Current and future projects.

[2:21:37] Voice 4: Just one little thing. Thank you so much, Stephen Underbaugh, for this really great report because it did make it clear kind of, you know, what Salt Spring's already done, where we might go with this, and what the history of this, and I really appreciate that. Thank you.

[2:21:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Current and future project prioritization is the next item on page 29 of your agenda.

[2:22:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Stephen, are you going to

[2:22:02] Voice 13: pick that up?

[2:22:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): the planner about over to you um

[2:22:07] Voice 13: so again this is coming from the ltc at your previous meeting

[2:22:11] Voice 13: uh to report back for staff to report back on issues and opportunities related to the current

[2:22:16] Voice 13: and future projects of the ltc and this is a discussion on your project priorities

[2:22:25] Voice 13: so the the projects on the current and future projects this can be categorized categorized

[2:22:31] Voice 13: into either a major or minor project. So a major project takes place over multiple fiscal years,

[2:22:37] Voice 13: it's supported by a planner from the regional planning team that has a budget of over five

[2:22:42] Voice 13: thousand dollars. A minor project can be completed within 18 months, it's relatively limited in scope

[2:22:49] Voice 13: and requires a budget of less than five thousand dollars. The LTC is permitted to have one minor

[2:22:54] Voice 13: project at a time and currently the LTC has two active projects, they have one major project and

[2:22:59] Voice 13: one minor, the review of the Gabrielos and PN90s bylaws, a major project and a minor

[2:23:05] Voice 13: project to develop an ecological protection zone. So just regarding the current eco-protection zone

[2:23:15] Voice 13: project staff have reached out to me regarding the timing of the referral response and I understand

[2:23:21] Voice 13: that we should receive a response imminently in the next week or so, what I've heard most recently.

[2:23:29] Voice 13: we are expecting that fairly soon. For the future projects list, there's six projects

[2:23:36] Voice 13: on your future projects list and staff have compiled a table with some considerations

[2:23:43] Voice 13: for each of the future projects. The table also highlights some areas where additional

[2:23:48] Voice 13: information is needed from the LTC. So a couple of things that are not in the table are the

[2:23:57] Voice 13: budget and resource allocation for each project, the project's strategic alignment with Islands

[2:24:03] Voice 13: Trust Federation as a whole, and the LTC's objectives and goals for the remaining two years.

[2:24:10] Voice 13: Those are other things that we want to consider as well. So the first, and I believe the projects

[2:24:18] Voice 13: in this list are not in, I think they're just chronological really from when they were added

[2:24:24] Voice 13: to the future projects list. The one at the top of the list is the DeCourcy Island OCP and land use

[2:24:30] Voice 13: bylaw review and one of the questions is just to confirm that this is a project the LTC still

[2:24:37] Voice 13: wants to take on in the future. Next is the development approval information bylaw and again

[2:24:45] Voice 13: just looking for confirmation that that is still a project that LTC wants to take on and also some

[2:24:51] Voice 13: additional information about the purpose of the bylaw rewrite, there are a couple of development

[2:24:57] Voice 13: permit areas that should be added to that bylaw. But we're wondering if there's more

[2:25:04] Voice 13: that would require to be an entirely rewrite of that development approval information bylaw.

[2:25:09] Voice 13: Can

[2:25:09] Voice 4: I ask a question right there or should I

[2:25:11] Voice 4: wait till you've gone through the whole

[2:25:12] Voice 4: chart?

[2:25:13] Voice 13: I'm happy to roll with it.

[2:25:16] Voice 13: Because

[2:25:16] Voice 4: the DAI bylaw rewrite has been my biggest wish since I began this job, but not really because we're missing information from recently added DPAs, but mainly because we get applications for development, and the DAI bylaw that we have right now is so outdated.

[2:25:41] Voice 4: And so my real worry is that the ongoing work we're doing requires an updated DAI bylaw,

[2:25:51] Voice 4: but I understand perfectly the logic of waiting until the OCP is finished so we get all the

[2:25:56] Voice 4: DPAs in there.

[2:25:57] Voice 4: I get that.

[2:26:00] Voice 4: I'm just worried about what we do in the interim.

[2:26:02] Voice 4: We just go, I guess we just have to keep using the old one that has so many holes in it.

[2:26:09] Voice 4: so can you give me an example because i'm really not understanding what would radically change

[2:26:17] Voice 4: and i'm struggling from the beginning with this one like i know north fenders got a strong one

[2:26:22] Voice 4: but yeah we can't use theirs because our dpas are not updated yeah yeah yeah well i can't give

[2:26:29] Voice 4: you a specific example except every time we get an application i'm thinking only we could ask

[2:26:34] Voice 4: them this oh hopefully we can ask them this but what like what do you want to know like for for

[2:26:41] Voice 4: what what what what would it provide often we need we need real reports from other agencies that

[2:26:50] Voice 4: that are that we can't ask them for so specific reports um i can't think of any right now but

[2:26:59] Voice 4: But we've got so few development permit areas that require the development variance.

[2:27:06] Voice 4: It was not just for DPAs though.

[2:27:09] Voice 4: Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, even for DPAs, and of course our DPAs need updating too because

[2:27:16] Voice 4: they think like, oh, you probably shouldn't build during, you know, burn testing season, but it's

[2:27:22] Voice 4: okay if you kind of do and stuff like that, right? The language is just so soft in some of those DPAs.

[2:27:29] Voice 4: But the development and approval of the meeting by-law can be used for other things besides DPAs. So that's my main concern.

[2:27:36] Voice 4: I'm just unclear what applications it would affect. What have we seen come across the desk that would be affected by having a DAI by-law? Because I'm not clear how this would change any business. I would say all of them, but maybe I have to move them on.

[2:27:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So this information, and Stephen you probably helped us, this information we would be typically looking for, right, would be hazardous slope conditions, water availability, sensitive ecosystems.

[2:28:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): What else would there be? And archaeological sites are something that came up earlier as well, in terms of impacts.

[2:28:17] Voice 13: Yeah, and it would of course depend on the particular application, but yeah, those are

[2:28:23] Voice 13: reports from professionals with expertise.

[2:28:27] Voice 13: One thing I can clarify too is that the LCT does have the ability often to ask for reports

[2:28:39] Voice 13: from applicants as well, when they come, so if there's an application you're considering

[2:28:45] Voice 13: and there's information that you need that's relevant to that application,

[2:28:51] Voice 13: the LTC could pass a motion to ask for additional information from the applicant.

[2:28:55] Voice 3: Yeah, it's just that they're not required.

[2:28:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, they can say, no, I'm not going to do it.

[2:28:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Whereas if it's in the DAI, they have to.

[2:29:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Then they have to do it.

[2:29:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right.

[2:29:03] Voice 4: That's my big deal.

[2:29:04] Voice 4: But we can also turn down the application and say there's a lot of information.

[2:29:09] Voice 4: Well,

[2:29:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't think you can.

[2:29:11] Voice 4: You have to have

[2:29:12] Voice 4: it in your DAI file.

[2:29:13] Voice 4: or you can do what we do and we just let's

[2:29:16] Voice 13: let steven it would depend on the application type

[2:29:19] Voice 13: so there's applications where the ltc does have discretion on whether to approve a development

[2:29:25] Voice 13: variance permit or not for example and where it's a development permit and there's less

[2:29:31] Voice 13: discretion with the ltc it really goes down to the guidelines then um that's what you're looking at

[2:29:38] Voice 13: when you evaluate those applications and if there's again if there's information needed so

[2:29:42] Voice 13: that you can properly assess whether a guideline is met then that's not an opportunity to ask for

[2:29:46] Voice 13: information and and if they're you know if the permit is not in that case if the permit is not

[2:29:52] Voice 13: addressing some concern it's likely because the guidelines aren't addressing it and then it's not

[2:29:57] Voice 13: on the idea that he's a big discourse guy.

[2:30:00] Voice 13: And

[2:30:00] Voice 4: that's exactly my thing. Our mapping is not complete. We don't have DPAs. We don't have the guidelines set that determine how, what kind of information we need to issue a permit. So to me, just copying another LTC's DAI bylaw is not going to work for B&ROLA. We have to do the work first.

[2:30:20] Voice 14: This

[2:30:21] Voice 4: is far below the list of an OCPA review and I'm not, I just don't see the, it seems

[2:30:29] Voice 4: like it says a bigger overall review of all administrative bylaws is required.

[2:30:34] Voice 4: So that's a big project eventually after we finish our OCPA review, I think, and our DPAs.

[2:30:44] Voice 4: So that's just my feedback.

[2:30:46] Voice 4: that. So

[2:30:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): we need to revisit this when OCP is done essentially. Is that what you're suggesting

[2:30:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): as well from a professional perspective?

[2:30:57] Voice 13: Yeah, I think that there's clarity. So right now we're

[2:31:01] Voice 13: talking about this project, but there's some clarity on what the issues are. There could be

[2:31:06] Voice 13: opportunities to address some of those concerns in another way if it's just that the LTC doesn't

[2:31:13] Voice 13: know that or they want the public to be aware of what reports they might need to require

[2:31:18] Voice 13: might need to provide for an application then perhaps it's a something we can prepare some

[2:31:23] Voice 13: communications on or something or um but if it's if there's these deeper issues with the bylaw that

[2:31:28] Voice 13: needs updating then um then we could identify those in this list and it would be yeah so

[2:31:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be good to identify the areas that we've had questions yeah

[2:31:39] Voice 4: yeah i mean certainly talking to um

[2:31:44] Voice 4: director of planning david marler when he was director of planning he said that is the tool

[2:31:49] Voice 4: you need so that your the applicants when they first apply yeah they know what they have to

[2:31:55] Voice 4: provide and it doesn't come to them at a local trust committee meeting where we say oh well

[2:32:00] Voice 4: actually we need this too and then we send them away and everybody gets angry because they have

[2:32:04] Voice 4: to provide more reporting and more information and that's kind of like not fair to them either

[2:32:10] Voice 4: But if we have a really good DAI bylaw that sets out right up front what they need to

[2:32:15] Voice 4: provide for certain kinds of applications, then it's more effective.

[2:32:22] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:32:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's a significant part of it, is administrative fairness, where you can't keep

[2:32:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): asking the applicant to come back with other reports, so

[2:32:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): it sets it out to people.

[2:32:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:32:32] Voice 4: would argue, though, that our referral process and working with SNMF is creating more of

[2:32:38] Voice 4: a challenge right now than this because i haven't seen that's what i'm asking is what examples of

[2:32:44] Voice 4: applications coming forward have we turned back to the applicant and said give us more information

[2:32:50] Voice 4: and created administratively unfair i haven't seen that in the last two years other than the

[2:32:54] Voice 4: dp that we've been struggling with to issue right so what we have seen is as our referral processes

[2:33:01] Voice 4: is with Sanema are changing how we do work.

[2:33:08] Voice 4: We need to clarify that with the public.

[2:33:10] Voice 4: I would say that's more of an urgent piece

[2:33:13] Voice 4: because that is affecting how they come forward.

[2:33:16] Voice 4: So I just don't see the urgency of this.

[2:33:18] Voice 4: I would need more information of how it would

[2:33:20] Voice 4: affect our day-to-day work.

[2:33:21] Voice 4: And I still don't.

[2:33:23] Voice 4: I'm not confident that this LTC is

[2:33:27] Voice 4: ready to take on this project.

[2:33:31] Voice 4: So what you're

[2:33:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): saying is, because we've been asked to prioritize this, what you're saying is it's a lower priority than some of the other things.

[2:33:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, for me it's lower.

[2:33:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): And contingent on the OCP work.

[2:33:45] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:33:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, it's fair enough. What are you looking for as an outcome here, Stephen?

[2:33:55] Voice 13: Well, I mean, this is coming to you because you had asked for it.

[2:33:58] Voice 13: But I think some benefits here are that you can prioritize your future projects that you're planning ahead strategically as to what projects you're going to take on next and kind of be prepared for that.

[2:34:12] Voice 13: And also if there's an opportunity to clarify some of these items and add more detail.

[2:34:17] Voice 13: And as well, if there is anything that, oh, you know, the OTC that's no longer interested in pursuing in the future, then you may as well remove those items.

[2:34:28] Voice 13: not

[2:34:28] Voice 15: get off the list yeah it's for strategic planning for ltc the next two years what do we

[2:34:32] Voice 15: want to accomplish so

[2:34:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): the obvious question for me here then in terms of prioritizing ways is the

[2:34:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): development approval information bylaw higher or lower than the decorcy island ocp and other

[2:34:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): oh

[2:34:45] Voice 4: for me it's higher it's higher than decorcy because we've never heard anything come up i have

[2:34:51] Voice 4: no idea why so

[2:34:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's a good start and some advisory planning commission bylaws the next

[2:34:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): one where is that in relation to the previous just a

[2:34:58] Voice 4: quick comment we haven't heard from the courts

[2:35:00] Voice 4: here or anywhere but but i think the reason that's up there is because um we're we're required now by

[2:35:07] Voice 4: the province to update policy pace every 20 years is that right and

[2:35:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's like really you know

[2:35:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's in that would be one thing in a municipal or regional district context it's not realistic

[2:35:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay

[2:35:20] Voice 4: and i'm only saying that because i don't think anyone from the course has asked for it

[2:35:24] Voice 4: I think it might

[2:35:25] Voice 4: have just been some timeline thing and yeah

[2:35:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and you may have heard me say

[2:35:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): is there's this whole mission about reviewing all the OCPs in the Adams Trust area and you

[2:35:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): couldn't say it but it's not broken why are you trying to fix it you

[2:35:40] Voice 14: know

[2:35:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): ours was done 12 years

[2:35:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): ago people are going oh it's one of the oldest OCPs in the Adams Trust they go it's a perfectly

[2:35:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): good OCP not just because I was one of the authors but

[2:35:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): the community's not complaining

[2:35:54] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm okay with not having the Chrissy Island, I would keep it at the bottom of the list at this point.

[2:36:02] Voice 4: And a future trust committee may want to really bump it up, but

[2:36:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think

[2:36:07] Voice 4: we still have a chance.

[2:36:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Are you keeping track of this?

[2:36:12] Voice 4: and i just want to make one comment about the ep zone i'm so happy to hear that we

[2:36:17] Voice 4: may be expecting a reply from the name of this nation because i note in our financial planning

[2:36:24] Voice 4: statements that you know in the 2024 budget we have budgeted two thousand dollars for that

[2:36:31] Voice 4: to be completed we've already spent one thousand dollars on it in 2023 so that would be super good

[2:36:38] Voice 4: to get it so can are we talking about that now because um i don't think so because it's

[2:36:48] Voice 4: in progress i i i have a comment on it so you want to talk about the echo zone the paragraph

[2:36:54] Voice 4: just about future projects if you go to the previous page um the last line notes that this

[2:37:01] Voice 4: project could be incorporated into the active major project between the ocp and ib so it's

[2:37:09] Voice 4: to me i think it would be confusing for the community to go through public readings of this

[2:37:15] Voice 4: one zone while we're also engaging with them on the ocp review in total we've done all the work

[2:37:24] Voice 4: on this now it's up for referral to me it makes sense to slot in the public hearings in with the

[2:37:30] Voice 4: the ocp project totally because that frees up a lot of projects we can then have something run

[2:37:37] Voice 4: concurrently

[2:37:38] Voice 14: no

[2:37:39] Voice 4: i disagree because we've done so much work on it already it's budgeted for

[2:37:44] Voice 4: it's clearly it's clearly something that the community asked for like six years ago and then

[2:37:51] Voice 4: the previous trust committee worked on i don't think we can put everything into the ocp review

[2:37:56] Voice 4: you we have work that's already started it's important work it's pretty clear what this is

[2:38:03] Voice 4: and i think we should finish it so how long would uh future bylaw readings and public hearing

[2:38:09] Voice 4: take do you think

[2:38:10] Voice 13: so you use the bylaw first reading and send for referrals so we will i mean

[2:38:16] Voice 13: let's see what what the response is um we've received some other referrals but they are then

[2:38:21] Voice 13: but it's the next most they did have comments on it and that was that was some time we're now

[2:38:29] Voice 13: starting to look back at that but we really realized the videos process-wise and amending

[2:38:34] Voice 13: or looking considering amendments to the bylaw and second reading and a public hearing third reading

[2:38:40] Voice 13: any approval and adoption

[2:38:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah once we finish the public hearing that's the end of the work

[2:38:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): at the LTC and then it just has to go through the rest of the process which we are not controlling.

[2:38:53] Voice 4: Okay. I'm okay with keeping it on as a modern project. I really don't want to drive this into

[2:38:59] Voice 4: the third year. So if this can proceed quickly

[2:39:02] Voice 15: because I would... So

[2:39:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): what do you think? Three

[2:39:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): to six months? Three months?

[2:39:09] Voice 13: Yes, I think it is. I mean the new complete project was this whole year.

[2:39:15] Voice 4: or this year maybe

[2:39:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): like

[2:39:18] Voice 4: the year that the money

[2:39:19] Voice 4: we budgeted for would even be better

[2:39:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): well we'd be able to spend the money

[2:39:25] Voice 4: that's not how

[2:39:26] Voice 4: it works right

[2:39:27] Voice 4: minor projects just get whatever money

[2:39:30] Voice 4: you spend on the minor project up to $5,000

[2:39:31] Voice 4: doesn't get budgeted it just gets pulled

[2:39:33] Voice 4: oh

[2:39:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): well I already know that

[2:39:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's on the improved list

[2:39:37] Voice 4: yeah but it could evolve

[2:39:38] Voice 15: we

[2:39:39] Voice 4: decided on another project

[2:39:41] Voice 4: that's brilliant

[2:39:43] Voice 4: So, um, I'm just, yeah, I was gonna ask to hit pause on it and have it incorporated in the OCP review, but I can feel that strongly about it, and I think it could be finished this year.

[2:39:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'd love to

[2:39:58] Voice 4: get one thing.

[2:40:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, where, you

[2:40:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): said that was on another page other than this, where is that exactly?

[2:40:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): The text there in the first paragraph?

[2:40:09] Voice 15: The text above, yeah.

[2:40:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, I see. The project could be incorporated, okay.

[2:40:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): So what we're saying then is that that project should be incorporated as a minor project and wrap it up this year.

[2:40:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it's above DIC4C and above development approval.

[2:40:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well,

[2:40:22] Voice 4: it is our active minor project.

[2:40:25] Voice 4: This wording was, it could, we were waiting on sustainable.

[2:40:28] Voice 4: Oh,

[2:40:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): I got it. Understood.

[2:40:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it is the active project.

[2:40:31] Voice 4: It is the active project.

[2:40:33] Voice 4: I

[2:40:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): misunderstood that.

[2:40:35] Voice 14: That's all good.

[2:40:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's get it done.

[2:40:37] Voice 14: Yep.

[2:40:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Two more months.

[2:40:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So what do you want to do with these other things?

[2:40:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Two more, three more?

[2:40:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:40:43] Voice 4: have a question with regard to the agency bylaw.

[2:40:46] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:40:48] Voice 4: So I didn't realize it was actually like a war project

[2:40:52] Voice 4: because it's like an administrative thing

[2:40:55] Voice 4: where we're adding a sentence,

[2:40:58] Voice 4: one sentence to the bylaw that says,

[2:41:01] Voice 4: and we voted unanimously to do this,

[2:41:04] Voice 4: to have this done,

[2:41:05] Voice 4: to have the APC set regular times for their meetings. And the intention for that original

[2:41:15] Voice 4: request was to make it easier for staff to schedule their meetings and make it easier

[2:41:22] Voice 4: for the APC members to expect, and it would be up to them, but all the bylaw would say is

[2:41:30] Voice 4: the APC is expected to set regular time and date for their meetings. So is that like a lot?

[2:41:40] Voice 4: It seems like just a housekeeping thing.

[2:41:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well I'm wondering why is it such a big deal? Can we not

[2:41:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): just get it done? But

[2:41:47] Voice 4: it's like isn't it just one sentence to add to the file? Still you're

[2:41:52] Voice 4: changing the bylaw. It has to go through process.

[2:41:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh but it's administrative. The process is simple.

[2:41:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, absolutely.

[2:42:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): It gives three readings in one meeting, right?

[2:42:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[2:42:04] Voice 4: It says right here.

[2:42:05] Voice 4: I mean, there's no implications.

[2:42:06] Voice 4: It's administrative by law.

[2:42:08] Voice 4: The weird thing is, that's how the APCs used to run here.

[2:42:12] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:42:12] Voice 4: And they run everywhere else as far as I know.

[2:42:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[2:42:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, we should just be

[2:42:20] Voice 13: able to do this.

[2:42:22] Voice 13: I haven't confirmed with the RPM that this is a minor project, nor did they say it's

[2:42:27] Voice 13: a fairly short time-lapse.

[2:42:29] Voice 13: So I do

[2:42:29] Voice 13: agree that it's fairly straightforward, but it is a minor project, and that's what's

[2:42:35] Voice 13: on your list.

[2:42:36] Voice 4: It doesn't get just done, it has to be a project, you have to decide.

[2:42:41] Voice 4: So to me, this is not on the list, I don't see the importance of it.

[2:42:45] Voice 4: The direction could be given to the APC, we request that you set regular meetings, I don't

[2:42:50] Voice 4: think you need to change the bylaw um so i don't agree that this should be on the project list

[2:42:56] Voice 4: so

[2:42:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): how did we get this far i suppose

[2:42:59] Voice 4: susan wanted it yeah i wanted it because there was so much

[2:43:03] Voice 4: confusion and in the first few months about and staff spent so much time i heard directly from

[2:43:10] Voice 4: the staff on how much time they had to spend doing doodles but is it really important to make it

[2:43:14] Voice 4: enough to make it a project. I don't think it is a project, but RPM Jamerad says it's a project.

[2:43:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, and we have to respect that. It

[2:43:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): is. It requires somebody to stop the work and get it done,

[2:43:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): get it on agenda, get it three readings and done.

[2:43:32] Voice 4: To me this is way off the list, but to me it's

[2:43:35] Voice 4: on the popular list, just to get it done, because we have, okay, this should

[2:43:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): be an easy win,

[2:43:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah so let's just get it done

[2:43:44] Voice 4: there's other things that are more important though this is like

[2:43:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): that will take longer time way

[2:43:51] Voice 4: longer and this is he's so much okay well we need to have a vote

[2:43:55] Voice 4: eventually about this so let's hash out the rest of these yeah right and is that priority orders

[2:44:01] Voice 4: yeah okay

[2:44:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): so what else is a heritage registry so

[2:44:06] Voice 4: i have a question about that because in our

[2:44:09] Voice 4: legislative updates that was yet it clearly tells us from the province that the heritage

[2:44:15] Voice 4: conservation act is being updated majorly and and getting huge amounts of first nations input

[2:44:21] Voice 4: but

[2:44:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): this is different than that

[2:44:23] Voice 4: well this is different except um i don't know how we can work

[2:44:29] Voice 4: on a heritage register i know it's not first nations i know that yeah but

[2:44:33] Voice 4: i don't know how

[2:44:33] Voice 4: we can get i just don't know this i just

[2:44:36] Voice 8: have to be how

[2:44:37] Voice 4: do we do this without uh involving in some

[2:44:40] Voice 4: way the heritage conservation act or do we just it

[2:44:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): doesn't involve the conservation act at all okay

[2:44:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that correct i

[2:44:49] Voice 13: would i would need to research further what i've noted in here is that there

[2:44:54] Voice 13: it's not entirely clear in the future projects that's what this project would be it appears to

[2:44:59] Voice 13: be some uh research like that that would be the beginning would be some research to answer some

[2:45:05] Voice 13: of these questions and then and then from there decide which direction

[2:45:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): to go but you know on

[2:45:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): main island and south pender is probably the only work that i'm aware of um this kind of thing and

[2:45:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): what they've done is identified a church on south pender that this is a heritage structure and

[2:45:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): and therefore should be considered carefully in future developments or transfer of the ownership or whatever.

[2:45:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then I think the other one is the Japanese gardens on Main Island.

[2:45:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it just, it's sort of, I always say when, it's like, when you're handling this spot, you've got to put the kid's gloves on.

[2:45:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just be careful with this.

[2:45:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): So this

[2:45:47] Voice 4: came to the previous trust committees through a group of people working from the museum and the community hall.

[2:45:53] Voice 4: all. And I think it was Ivan Bulek and I just can't remember the names. Then they came to us

[2:46:01] Voice 4: when we first began our new trust committee as well. And they asked us to get this done

[2:46:08] Voice 4: or to delegate it to them.

[2:46:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Which I

[2:46:13] Voice 4: don't, you know, I didn't break it.

[2:46:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): This would seem to me to be a much lower priority.

[2:46:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): this

[2:46:18] Voice 4: is actually it is a priority but it has to be considering first nations heritage and so that's

[2:46:25] Voice 4: why it is complicated no this isn't about a settler heritage well

[2:46:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): no i understand i'm using

[2:46:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): those examples but that's where we're utilizing

[2:46:34] Voice 4: exactly but that's not no we're going and so

[2:46:38] Voice 4: i think through our ocp review we're going to be talking about heritage protection areas

[2:46:45] Voice 4: areas and how those are registered and considered is a conversation with Sinaloa and other First

[2:46:51] Voice 4: Nations and maybe a registry comes

[2:46:53] Voice 4: out of that.

[2:46:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because we're not going to put them on registry

[2:46:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): when it has Sinaloa's interest in it.

[2:46:58] Voice 4: Well that's why I brought up the Heritage Conservation Act

[2:47:00] Voice 4: because I thought we had to go by that. It's different.

[2:47:05] Voice 4: Okay I'm okay going by

[2:47:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): that. I don't

[2:47:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): know we could get a report on it but I think there's a lot more work that needs to happen

[2:47:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): particularly this in the name of first nations to come to some understanding about land use

[2:47:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): and protection of areas yeah

[2:47:21] Voice 14: which

[2:47:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know they may want to protect you know a church even

[2:47:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): for all that or anything we're not to judge what they think to be of value well there was a lot of

[2:47:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): support from sale for the church on south pender so

[2:47:36] Voice 15: i

[2:47:38] Voice 4: just think this is again coming after the

[2:47:40] Voice 4: OCP review and as a result of conversations with many community groups and First Nations about how

[2:47:48] Voice 4: do we register protections for heritage sites. Is that enough direction? I think you know this

[2:47:56] Voice 4: came as a result of a community group that wanted a specific outcome but this is a much larger

[2:48:03] Voice 4: project then what was the

[2:48:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): specific outcome it

[2:48:06] Voice 4: was the silver bay um was being taken down

[2:48:10] Voice 4: or sold and they wanted the the ways to be considered a heritage

[2:48:15] Voice 4: and then that's now all changed right we've given the protection to do whatever they need to do yeah

[2:48:21] Voice 4: it changed hands and there's been a whole bunch of they kicked the shipyard out right so there

[2:48:27] Voice 4: just is no parentage register of protection.

[2:48:32] Voice 4: So it doesn't get a

[2:48:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): kid to go on the street now,

[2:48:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's just another

[2:48:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): water problem. I'm

[2:48:38] Voice 4: okay with that. So

[2:48:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): we should just deprioritize it.

[2:48:42] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:48:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's still valuable. I

[2:48:44] Voice 4: mean if that group is still interested and they have other ideas they can

[2:48:47] Voice 4: come back to us.

[2:48:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Certainly they haven't been here in two years.

[2:48:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that's the fact they weren't here when we discussed that right yeah

[2:48:56] Voice 15: yeah

[2:48:59] Voice 13: but i'm taking notes here but i think um we can or we wish to keep going into discussion

[2:49:06] Voice 13: and maybe i'll come back to it after to decide that yeah

[2:49:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): the party so there's two more of my

[2:49:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): gym the ltc initiated rezoning or whatever that is yeah

[2:49:15] Voice 4: so targeted in moments could be a minor

[2:49:19] Voice 4: project and we're kind of working on that right now my job yeah

[2:49:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): obviously that's you know a priority

[2:49:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): but it's a much bigger project no

[2:49:32] Voice 4: i think it's quite minor actually i like to think it's minor

[2:49:37] Voice 4: very

[2:49:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): well yeah it's

[2:49:40] Voice 4: it to me it's the equivalent of the um advisory planning commission there's

[2:49:45] Voice 4: literally four things that everyone except

[2:49:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): we have to go to public hearing absolutely

[2:49:50] Voice 4: actually

[2:49:51] Voice 4: if it's consistent with the ocp you don't oh

[2:49:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): but it says ocp and the lub no

[2:49:57] Voice 4: that's what's on the

[2:49:58] Voice 4: list but all that's being asked is an lub review actually they don't want to amend the ocp they

[2:50:03] Voice 4: want a targeted million

[2:50:04] Voice 13: review well if it's consistent but it's

[2:50:07] Voice 4: suggesting

[2:50:08] Voice 13: that's one of

[2:50:09] Voice 13: the questions is i mean uh a lot of discussion has been had about these targeted amendments

[2:50:14] Voice 13: with on your future projects list I believe is a comprehensive OCP and LUB review and so you could

[2:50:20] Voice 13: manage your projects and

[2:50:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): how do you phrase that with no major amendments to the OCP because

[2:50:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): like on the Penders we had that probably you did the LUB but there were incidental changes

[2:50:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): required in the OCP and

[2:50:36] Voice 13: that's something that we need to examine this as well once we know

[2:50:40] the

[2:50:40] Voice 13: most targeted what those amendments are.

[2:50:45] Voice 13: Well, that would be good. But

[2:50:47] Voice 15: I think through

[2:50:48] Voice 4: this July 16,

[2:50:49] Voice 4: meaning we can identify pretty clearly what the issues are with

[2:50:54] Voice 4: the bylaw, because we're going to be the community is going to

[2:50:58] Voice 4: do this information of, yeah, here's where everyone's getting

[2:51:01] Voice 4: complaints. It's like driveways considered a structure that

[2:51:04] Voice 4: appears in no other LUB in the entire area. So that's the kind

[2:51:09] Voice 4: of changes they're talking about so that we don't just have a don't enforce there we just remove

[2:51:14] Voice 4: those four things that's the kind of very narrow targeted thing that i'm talking about would be

[2:51:20] Voice 4: doable within you know whatever time

[2:51:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): assuming the community agrees but

[2:51:25] Voice 4: i've heard pretty strongly

[2:51:27] Voice 4: that they're just like they've done the analysis they're like there's a few minor changes we're

[2:51:31] Voice 4: happy with everything okay so

[2:51:33] Voice 4: i think we'll know more sure july 16th so

[2:51:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll rename this to luv

[2:51:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): be at our next meeting targeted

[2:51:40] Voice 4: at targeted lub yeah minor project yeah okay yeah i'm not good

[2:51:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): with that great so

[2:51:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): the last one is this is rezoning i don't

[2:51:49] Voice 4: know what that is this was

[2:51:51] Voice 13: out at your last meeting which one

[2:51:55] Voice 4: oh okay what is it well

[2:52:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're obviously waiting to see what

[2:52:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): deal coming oh yeah

[2:52:04] Voice 13: so yeah this is one of the questions too is to confirm the intent of this

[2:52:09] Voice 13: project i mean it's been added as requested as a rezoning but um that's all the detail that we have

[2:52:18] Voice 13: did

[2:52:19] Voice 4: we ask to have it rezoned no we asked i

[2:52:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): have it onto the product onto the list to consider we

[2:52:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): haven't asked to have a reason we're just thinking yeah these are

[2:52:28] Voice 13: all future projects less items

[2:52:33] Voice 4: Well, they're asking to confirm the intent of the rezoning.

[2:52:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Natural heritage protection.

[2:52:42] Voice 4: Cultural heritage protection?

[2:52:45] Voice 4: No, to me the intent would have been to

[2:52:50] Voice 15: remove the development potential.

[2:52:54] Voice 15: Down zoning.

[2:52:55] Voice 15: Yeah, down zoning.

[2:52:56] Voice 15: So, because it says rezoning, so there's a

[2:53:00] Voice 4: few interpretations. If it's downzoning, it's downzoning. So that would, that's what I understand.

[2:53:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's just a rezoning. We use that word downzoning. But you're going to change the density from six to three.

[2:53:17] Voice 4: So if it's not taken on immediately, it says it could be incorporated into the OCP and LEB review project.

[2:53:25] Voice 4: um so is this a priority piece well we won't know until we get to

[2:53:34] Voice 15: it when we should talk right

[2:53:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): well to some extent the risk continues to exist the risk

[2:53:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): is i think we need to

[2:53:47] Voice 14: wait and see what

[2:53:48] Voice 14: happens i

[2:53:49] Voice 4: think we do too but we need to keep it on the list yeah

[2:53:52] Voice 14: we

[2:53:53] Voice 4: kind of better wait for a

[2:53:55] Voice 4: little bit on this one i mean it could be incorporated into ocp review but it might

[2:54:01] Voice 4: I mean, it might require something different.

[2:54:05] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:54:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): I actually don't think...

[2:54:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): It has potential to become a priority quickly.

[2:54:14] Voice 4: Yeah, that's what I was just thinking.

[2:54:16] Voice 4: I don't think we can prioritize it,

[2:54:17] Voice 4: but it might prioritize itself.

[2:54:19] Voice 14: This is...

[2:54:20] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:54:22] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:54:23] Voice 14: We get a whole lot of that.

[2:54:27] Voice 4: Can we just leave it on the list and hang in there?

[2:54:30] Voice 4: Well, the point of this actually is to prioritize.

[2:54:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Where on the list should it be?

[2:54:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Probably following the OCB amendment.

[2:54:38] Voice 4: I would say...

[2:54:40] Voice 4: No, the OCP amendments are a major project. That stands. We're considering our minor projects. These are all potential minor projects.

[2:54:47] Voice 4: So to me, this is priority. Then the Mudgell targeted LEB review.

[2:54:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Above the LEB.

[2:54:59] Voice 4: Then Heritage Register, then DAI, then Advisory Planning Commission by-law, then DeCourcy, OCP, and LEB review. That would be my priority.

[2:55:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And you got that priority.

[2:55:12] Voice 4: I can come out.

[2:55:13] Voice 4: Well, that would

[2:55:14] Voice 4: not be my.

[2:55:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's just go over this.

[2:55:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): What's the number one?

[2:55:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): For

[2:55:20] Voice 15: me, it's the reason.

[2:55:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, wait, it does.

[2:55:24] Voice 15: What reason?

[2:55:36] Voice 15: Then much.

[2:55:37] Voice 15: I mean, we review.

[2:55:39] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:55:40] Voice 15: Her register.

[2:55:43] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:55:47] Voice 15: DAI, Advisory

[2:55:48] Voice 4: Planning

[2:55:49] Voice 15: Commission by-law, and DeCoursey.

[2:55:52] Voice 15: Oh,

[2:55:54] Voice 14: we just agreed that we were going to advance here.

[2:55:56] Voice 14: Oh,

[2:55:57] Voice 4: we're not advancing yet.

[2:55:58] Voice 4: Are we advancing the APC one just because it's so quick?

[2:56:02] Voice 4: And it's not?

[2:56:02] Voice 4: We didn't vote on that.

[2:56:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, we haven't voted.

[2:56:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): That'll be it.

[2:56:06] Voice 15: I don't agree.

[2:56:07] Voice 15: OK.

[2:56:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): So what's your list look like, Judy?

[2:56:12] Voice 15: Oh,

[2:56:13] Voice 4: my list is number one, Advisory Planning Commission

[2:56:19] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:56:24] Voice 4: I've already put the DAI onto the OCP review, I've already put it to the OCP review.

[2:56:29] Voice 4: So it's kind

[2:56:30] Voice 4: of off the list even though I really want to see it happen.

[2:56:35] Voice 4: And my second one is Magiland targeted LUB.

[2:56:40] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:56:41] Voice 14: I

[2:56:47] Voice 4: haven't got anything for the PID-003 because I don't know what's going to happen with that.

[2:56:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well that's the reason.

[2:56:53] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:56:54] Voice 4: Yeah, so I would, I guess I'll put that third, and then I guess the heritage register would be fourth, because again, we're going to be doing that with the OCP, right? So

[2:57:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): it

[2:57:10] Voice 4: doesn't seem to need its own minor thing.

[2:57:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll take that off the list. So maybe if we filter this a bit, we're saying the APC, no, sorry, we're saying the heritage list and the DAI are both off and on the OCP.

[2:57:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): well

[2:57:34] Voice 4: they're yeah concurrent or subsequent too yeah

[2:57:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): so what's remaining on our

[2:57:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): list then is

[2:57:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): rezoning much heritage and apc and apc is diametrically opposed there this is i think

[2:57:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): easy work and could just get done and we don't have to think about it again but

[2:57:54] Voice 4: it's not time

[2:57:55] Voice 4: sensitive work i think i agree

[2:57:57] Voice 4: well whereas i think the rezoning is time sensitive so we're

[2:58:02] Voice 4: talking about prioritization not can something be done easily what is important to accomplish

[2:58:08] Voice 4: is an administrative bylaw about advisory planning commission committees important ranked

[2:58:16] Voice 4: with all these other things right

[2:58:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): so you put the the margin both of you put that in second place

[2:58:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that seems like that's where that's going to be and heritage is the own we've moved that over to

[2:58:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the OCP.

[2:58:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So OCP has moved over to heritage,

[2:58:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): heritage has moved over to OCP and DAI and,

[2:58:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): oh yeah, okay, so I've got that now.

[2:58:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Those are compliant there.

[2:58:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): So all we're talking about

[2:58:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): then is rezoning, APC,

[2:58:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not going to be sending any particular order much.

[2:58:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Those are the three we want to prioritize.

[2:58:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, I would toss in here,

[2:58:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's put the rezoning at the top let's do the apc second because mud is going to take a while

[2:59:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): to get through the bylaw enforcement conversation and then we can come out of that and move it to

[2:59:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): an lub amendment but

[2:59:12] Voice 4: but how can we put the rezoning at the top when we we can't say that

[2:59:17] Voice 4: there's work to be done right now like

[2:59:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): there is well the risk remains no matter what happens okay

[2:59:24] Voice 4: okay that yeah there's work to be done because we have to research the options still like

[2:59:30] Voice 4: there's there's a lot of risk of rezoning and one of the implications for

[2:59:37] Voice 4: the applicant and the LTC yeah this is a tricky never done this before or has any

[2:59:43] Voice 4: LTC done this before oh yeah really yeah

[2:59:47] Voice 14: good

[2:59:48] Voice 4: sorry Stephen thank you bye

[2:59:50] Voice 14: I

[2:59:51] Voice 13: just you were just saying that the heritage would go to the OCP yeah I'm still not

[3:00:00] Voice 13: sure what that project entails um and whether it would fit into an ocp and items by law review

[3:00:08] Voice 14: yeah it

[3:00:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): becomes attractive it becomes a protective mechanism for properties that the ltc wants to

[3:00:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): put on the list so it'd be a guide you know somehow be linked into lcd so

[3:00:22] Voice 4: before you can

[3:00:23] Voice 4: put them on the list you have to identify them yeah and i think that's the process through the

[3:00:29] Voice 4: OCP review, we'd be identifying, oh, this is a heritage protection area, and someone wants to

[3:00:36] Voice 4: put this kind of heritage or protection on it. It's a DPA there, and it gets out into a heritage

[3:00:43] Voice 4: register. I think that putting the tool before the information that we need to get out of the OCP

[3:00:49] Voice 4: review, it may come as a result of it, so it's subsequent maybe to the OCP.

[3:00:55] Voice 4: A

[3:00:56] Voice 13: heritage conservation area is another tool that could be incorporated into our project, but the heritage registers, okay.

[3:01:05] Voice 13: So that's it, that heritage is what I'm understanding is that the idea of a heritage register or identifying heritage values on BGRL is something that you're interested in doing in the LCP engagement.

[3:01:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, exactly.

[3:01:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so then the DAI is going to move over to the LCP?

[3:01:29] Voice 13: We could look into seeing if that could be kind of done alongside that major project

[3:01:35] Voice 13: or just immediately.

[3:01:37] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:01:38] Voice 13: That

[3:01:39] Voice 4: would be great.

[3:01:39] Voice 4: Great.

[3:01:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then that leaves us three projects to prioritize on our findings.

[3:01:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): So three is only APC and Mudge.

[3:01:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Of

[3:01:48] Voice 13: course it is.

[3:01:48] Voice 13: Is that also removed?

[3:01:50] Voice 13: It's

[3:01:50] Voice 15: off the list.

[3:01:52] Voice 15: It was off the list.

[3:01:53] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:01:53] Voice 4: until they come to us yeah

[3:01:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay of

[3:01:58] Voice 4: course if you have a problem talk to us

[3:02:01] Voice 4: well

[3:02:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): we love you but leave us alone

[3:02:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): of course

[3:02:08] Voice 15: okay so apc bylaw

[3:02:12] Voice 15: it's

[3:02:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): only an apc match

[3:02:14] Voice 15: okay you

[3:02:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay with that

[3:02:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, you can revise it the next time we review this, because we should actually do this every

[3:02:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): six months or so.

[3:02:27] Voice 4: I mean, really and truly, I would like to see the APC right on the top, because I honestly

[3:02:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): can't see

[3:02:33] Voice 4: why we just can't get it done so fast.

[3:02:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's risk associated with the rezoning if we don't consider it.

[3:02:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): APC, there's no risk, except the APC members won't be having it.

[3:02:45] Voice 4: it's not good to spend more time that's all right did

[3:02:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): you concur with that rezoning apc yes thank

[3:02:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): you okay do we need to vote on this or by general no we need

[3:02:58] Voice 4: to confirm the intent of the rezoning

[3:03:00] Voice 4: is that clear i

[3:03:02] Voice 13: so i would ask that you make a motion to remove whatever those three items that

[3:03:07] Voice 13: you discussed for moving into the future projects and that you make a motion prioritize to set them

[3:03:14] Voice 13: them in a priority. Okay. And then if there's amendments to

[3:03:19] Voice 13: those items to add information. Yeah, sure. Who wants to do

[3:03:23] Voice 13: that? And

[3:03:23] Voice 4: so not just removing, but only one of them are

[3:03:26] Voice 4: actually moving to them. We're moving.

[3:03:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. Okay, so that's

[3:03:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): good. Moving to the OCP project. Yeah. Well,

[3:03:33] Voice 4: we can do them one

[3:03:33] Voice 4: at a time just for clarity. Oh,

[3:03:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): do it in one motion. Thank you.

[3:03:36] Voice 4: They're removing ones are the last second one, of course,

[3:03:45] Voice 14: Yeah,

[3:03:46] Voice 4: so I move that the OCP and IRB review might a project be removed from the future

[3:03:52] Voice 4: projects list, that

[3:04:00] Voice 14: the DAI

[3:04:05] Voice 4: by-law and heritage register be considered as part of or subsequent

[3:04:16] Voice 4: consequent to the Gabriel OCP review project.

[3:04:19] Voice 4: So

[3:04:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're doing this as an ABC or something?

[3:04:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah,

[3:04:23] Voice 4: so the course is removed, the DAI and the heritage register are moved, and that

[3:04:34] Voice 4: the LTC prioritize as future minor projects, the rezoning of the ID 003104806, number two,

[3:04:48] Voice 4: advisory planning commission bylaw and number three much lub targeted lub review

[3:04:58] Voice 4: i'll second that motion

[3:04:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): nice lisa you got that that's

[3:05:05] Voice 5: true i might have that

[3:05:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay

[3:05:11] Voice 13: you okay with that um i don't know if i call this so it'll

[3:05:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): be written down

[3:05:22] Voice 12: it

[3:05:22] Voice 13: in the mail even though it's more work in 10 days that's true i mean if i just confirm my

[3:05:28] Voice 13: understanding yes that that um that the dai the decoracy project and the heritage register are all

[3:05:36] Voice 13: removed from the future project list yes i'm understanding as well that the heritage

[3:05:42] Voice 13: register and dai you'd like to incorporate it into your existing nature yes and then you have

[3:05:50] Voice 13: your and i have understood the priority the three remaining projects that those priorities yes yeah

[3:05:55] Voice 13: okay excellent so

[3:05:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): move seconded all those in favor thank you everybody exercise and compromise

[3:06:02] Voice 15: and one

[3:06:06] Voice 13: more i think you

[3:06:07] Voice 13: also talked about amending a much island project to be a target

[3:06:14] Voice 13: I

[3:06:14] Voice 15: did just change

[3:06:15] Voice 13: the wording. I

[3:06:17] Voice 15: said LEA targeted review.

[3:06:19] Voice 15: Yeah.

[3:06:23] Voice 14: Okay. Fantastic, you guys.

[3:06:25] Voice 4: Don't you love coming in real live?

[3:06:28] Voice 4: I love

[3:06:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): the joy.

[3:06:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sub

[3:06:30] Voice 4: to their backstab, sure.

[3:06:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Next item is 7.4, draft letter regarding temporary use permits for commercial vacation rentals for information.

[3:06:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it's a good piece of work. I'm glad to see this. We're just receiving information.

[3:06:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is there any comment? No, it's

[3:06:49] Voice 4: going to be interesting.

[3:06:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well,

[3:06:51] Voice 13: no, it will be. See

[3:06:52] Voice 4: what happens. Yeah.

[3:06:54] Voice 4: I

[3:06:54] Voice 13: think it's about seven letters that will go out.

[3:07:00] Voice 13: So just any existing operators of the tech team.

[3:07:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so that's that, I received your information.

[3:07:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then we're gonna go now on the correspondence here.

[3:07:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): We have three pieces of which normally we just receive

[3:07:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): unless there's any specific direction.

[3:07:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the first one is from Egan regarding the Bunch Link Jump Vehicles and that's fantastic.

[3:07:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): We told her that.

[3:07:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much to them.

[3:07:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Email from E. Carrington regarding unofficial housing demolition.

[3:07:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have a remark I'd like to make.

[3:07:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): What do the trustees want to do or say?

[3:07:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[3:07:51] Voice 4: actually responded to her personally yeah with a long and I hope heartfelt reply and I know her

[3:07:59] Voice 4: and I also know a lot of the issues that she's talking about here

[3:08:04] Voice 15: and

[3:08:05] Voice 4: Mark. My question was

[3:08:07] Voice 4: does the writer want it to be part of public correspondence and more widely discussed

[3:08:13] Voice 4: because there's a lot of personal information in here.

[3:08:18] Voice 4: It is a strong voice for, I think,

[3:08:21] Voice 4: some of the untold stories on the Vibrola

[3:08:23] Voice 4: that we need to heed and listen.

[3:08:28] Voice 4: As we talk about housing, this is not an abstract exercise.

[3:08:32] Voice 4: This affects real people,

[3:08:33] Voice 4: and people have that at the place of insecure

[3:08:37] Voice 4: and insufficient housing.

[3:08:40] Voice 4: So I think this is a key piece.

[3:08:44] Voice 4: And I would like to make sure that we don't lose it, but I don't know if it's appropriate to bring it forward for a wider community conversation.

[3:08:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, that's a great question, and I don't know what the answer to that is.

[3:08:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's on the public agenda. It's in the public purview.

[3:09:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): I would say, do you want to forward this to any housing committees that we have or maintain it as an aspect of the OCP review in some fashion?

[3:09:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): I was just going to say that I'm really, to Ms. Carrington, grateful that she's taken the time to write this.

[3:09:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because it's reflective of, and she indicates that, it's reflective of situations all around the world in every community.

[3:09:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we've become immune, I think maybe, to knowing that, recognizing that this exists.

[3:09:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): and partly because we don't necessarily know what the solutions are and yeah it's

[3:09:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): well

[3:09:51] Voice 4: we do know what the solutions are but they're truly some of them are out of our hands

[3:09:56] Voice 4: but some of them aren't yeah

[3:09:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): I agree with a couple of times actually because I'm trying to

[3:10:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): define what it meant to me because I think all of us in all of our lives and many people in many

[3:10:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): communities have experienced or engaged with people that are um see the world or experience

[3:10:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): the world in a different way and we haven't been kind to them i was going to say you know my

[3:10:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the well i'm going to make specifics but in the school system today right because we uh

[3:10:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): our generation actually lived in a world where people that saw and experienced the world in a

[3:10:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): a different way were isolated from the rest of us

[3:10:42] Voice 4: they were ostracized and

[3:10:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): now that has changed

[3:10:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there are people that are like that are within i'm trying to be really careful i don't

[3:10:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): want to judge or criticize or anything about them but the schools have much more diversity now than

[3:10:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): they've ever had before and what children are taught through this present mechanism is to be

[3:11:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): kind and accepting of others and patient and patient yeah and accommodating and that's something

[3:11:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): that i think society broadly has to get to which is something we've got away from because it was

[3:11:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): normal for us to support people with different views and experiences and but we're coming back

[3:11:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): to that actually

[3:11:28] Voice 15: and

[3:11:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): so maybe there's hope for the future i guess a

[3:11:31] Voice 15: little bit i'm saying there

[3:11:32] Voice 15: certainly is in the school system but

[3:11:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think it was very well crafted i don't know whether or not

[3:11:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): the lpc needs to facilitate for our social conversation but certainly we need to keep

[3:11:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): this in mind for housing projects and

[3:11:49] Voice 4: i can't imagine that normally wouldn't wouldn't come

[3:11:52] Voice 4: to you know various meetings yeah those i mean she's she's really good at um yeah making these

[3:12:01] Voice 4: views anyway.

[3:12:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): What would you like to do with it?

[3:12:03] Voice 4: Well we've added previous correspondence before

[3:12:06] Voice 4: to the to the project file for the OCP review. Yeah I

[3:12:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): think it's a good question.

[3:12:10] Voice 4: And I think

[3:12:11] Voice 4: sure adding it to for consideration um or as correspondence to the OCP.

[3:12:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Everybody that's involved in projects should read it.

[3:12:18] Voice 4: Yeah I think so. Oh I agree. Like I said I

[3:12:21] Voice 4: spent quite a good time replying to her personally. I so appreciated the effort that she put into it.

[3:12:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, if you engage with her and get help, I'm glad that she'll be with us.

[3:12:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Real stories.

[3:12:34] Voice 4: And, you know, I spend a lot of time in the library, too,

[3:12:37] Voice 4: and that's the other place where social justice reigns in the library.

[3:12:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so we've got a letter here at 10.3, so thank you to the writer.

[3:12:48] Voice 4: I'm so sorry.

[3:12:49] Voice 4: Do we need to have a resolution back to the Gabriel OCP?

[3:12:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can

[3:12:55] Voice 4: we get you a folder?

[3:12:56] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:12:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): by by general consent can you include that document within the ocd project yeah thank you

[3:13:05] Voice 15: thank

[3:13:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): you for that so the next item here we kind of heard from him and i think that i i'll ask but

[3:13:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): devon's perfect steven's a professional opinion but we wouldn't identify any individual groups

[3:13:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): as having any paramount seal or any other group we would just i would suggest that we put them

[3:13:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): on to the list of agencies to be consulted so

[3:13:32] Voice 4: this is so i'm you're looking at page four of

[3:13:35] Voice 4: their ladder right because

[3:13:36] Voice 4: they're asking us two formal requests so yeah so i also want to know how

[3:13:43] Voice 4: do we respond to them about these two requests we should steven

[3:13:52] Voice 13: do you have a recommendation

[3:13:52] Voice 13: I don't know what you'd ask about identifying them as the group and I think yeah I think

[3:14:01] Voice 13: there's not a need to in any way it's yeah it's be exclusive with one particular community

[3:14:08] Voice 13: but there certainly seems like

[3:14:12] Voice 12: an opportunity to engage with with that group and let's just

[3:14:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): make sure they're on the list.

[3:14:17] Voice 4: Would it be appropriate if the chair of the LTC writes to

[3:14:21] Voice 4: them thanks for their input and said we're the island's just going to be happy to collaborate

[3:14:25] Voice 4: with you and look forward to future yeah work together without singling them out

[3:14:31] Voice 15: do you want

[3:14:31] Voice 15: to craft that letter for me and i will craft a little sign it

[3:14:34] Voice 15: you send it up so i moved that

[3:14:37] Voice 15: trustee elliott

[3:14:37] Voice 4: and draft a letter on the alphabet all right with the chair of the lts gabriel ltc

[3:14:44] Voice 4: acknowledging the Mudge Island Community Association

[3:14:48] Voice 4: and indicate the LCC

[3:14:50] Voice 4: and local trust committee

[3:14:54] Voice 4: or no, the LTC is looking forward to working collaboratively

[3:14:59] Voice 4: on a targeted review of the LUP

[3:15:03] Voice 4: well no, just working collaboratively on much

[3:15:07] Voice 4: issues, very much, yeah, bylaw enforcement

[3:15:11] Voice 4: enforcement and land use review, land use by-law review.

[3:15:18] Voice 4: Trustee Elliot, go ahead and write a letter with the chair.

[3:15:21] Voice 4: Does that make sense?

[3:15:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): In the by-law?

[3:15:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, you could just simply say in response

[3:15:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the correspondence received on June the 7th.

[3:15:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes.

[3:15:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): End of story.

[3:15:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes.

[3:15:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): You got that, Lisa?

[3:15:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): You're with me?

[3:15:35] Voice 5: I got Chair Lockham's version, yes.

[3:15:38] Voice 4: Yes, Chair Lockham's version.

[3:15:39] Voice 4: I'll send her that.

[3:15:40] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:15:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Moved by Elliot, seconded by Yates. We're all good? All those in favour? Thank you.

[3:15:47] Voice 4: They're asking for us to indicate, you know, the minor projects up. So should we confirm with them that we have thinking us on it?

[3:15:59] Voice 4: I'll write it into the letter that we've streamlined our project once. It's after a few quick ones, we hope.

[3:16:06] Voice 4: It's there's

[3:16:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): no necessity to secure funding in this time. Yeah,

[3:16:10] Voice 4: there's no funding. Yeah.

[3:16:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so you and

[3:16:14] Voice 4: we didn't talk to them.

[3:16:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, just so it's in there. Yeah, I think they have.

[3:16:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so i'm gonna move on from correspondence. Hey, we're gonna break it 12.

[3:16:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we've done 12.1. So the next item i'm gonna skip over the ones that say none.

[3:16:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): the trustees and local expense report dated may that's for information and so i would just receive

[3:16:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): that yeah okay adopted policies and standing solutions i've received that as well and we're

[3:16:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): looking forward to a new policy so keep going uh first nations relationship building update

[3:16:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Dave, well, I think I reported earlier that we had met with staff and elected, it's the name of First Nation, over the last couple months, and we're looking forward to another meeting on Friday, so we'll wait for confirmation on that, but waiting for that.

[3:17:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So is there anything else, Toby or Susan?

[3:17:16] Voice 4: No, just noting that the Dustin Bones film, July 20th, tomorrow's event, fundraiser,

[3:17:23] Voice 4: I've already raised $1,000, so I'm hoping for $1

[3:17:25] Voice 3: ,000 more before the end of the day.

[3:17:27] Voice 4: Wow.

[3:17:28] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:17:31] Voice 4: Sports, and I'm with you, so yeah, we're doing some good work.

[3:17:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Five change action update, nothing?

[3:17:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Everything we do.

[3:17:42] Voice 4: You

[3:17:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): got rid of the gorse.

[3:17:43] Voice 4: Yeah, I got two gorse plants we got rid of.

[3:17:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's good.

[3:17:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Two years of sign local trust committee web page, you know, the test, do you make any dramatic change?

[3:17:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): We're going to work program where we just talked about it. We sure did.

[3:17:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mindless and stuff. So is there any discussion here?

[3:18:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Upcoming meeting is

[3:18:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's just about gander here for a second special meeting

[3:18:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting regarding major projects, Gabriela Island, that's on July the 4th at one o'clock.

[3:18:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): I am not going to be able to attend this, and if you need a chair in that meeting, we can certainly

[3:18:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): can ask whoever the vice chair is. Which one? July the 4th.

[3:18:32] Voice 4: Oh, great. I won't be on Gabriela. I will

[3:18:35] Voice 4: be on Salt Spring with my family, and hopefully I will have a decent internet connection. That's

[3:18:40] Voice 4: all i can hope for

[3:18:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay mostly for me this is a conversation between the trustees and staff

[3:18:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): the vision

[3:18:48] Voice 4: yeah i don't think we need another chair because they're not going to know anything

[3:18:51] Voice 4: about this project so yeah you know okay

[3:18:55] Voice 4: and

[3:18:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): then another another special meeting on mug island um for july the 16th yeah and i'm going

[3:19:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): to make every effort i can to get to that but i don't know because my hands are in the hands of

[3:19:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): the airlines but if i can't i will attend otherwise um come on yeah

[3:19:13] Voice 14: so that's okay so

[3:19:16] Voice 14: next

[3:19:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): regular meeting is holy smokes august the 8th i can't believe we're talking about

[3:19:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): that one

[3:19:22] Voice 4: is online right

[3:19:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh and is to be held electronically well actually that would be nice

[3:19:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): although i enjoy coming here so then that said i can't believe it we're only 10 minutes

[3:19:43] Voice 4: Okay,

[3:19:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): so I'm going to call for meeting adjournment.

[3:19:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): All in favor?

[3:19:46] Voice 4: Two.

[3:19:49] Voice 4: Thank you, Director Craig.

[3:19:51] Voice 4: You're amazing.

[3:19:53] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:19:58] Voice 14: So, what's the next step?