Islands Trust Council regular meeting, October 8, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 2: I want to acknowledge that we're meeting in the lands that have been the homes of Coast Salish people since time immemorial, and in particular the Cadillac tribe.

[0:00:11] Voice 2: Last Monday was the fourth National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, the fourth.

[0:00:18] Voice 2: Acknowledging the harms visited upon generations of Indigenous people through historical injustices such as the Indian residential school system

[0:00:27] Voice 2: is to acknowledge an ugly and difficult past.

[0:00:31] Voice 2: The stories from survivors are shocking and disturbing to hear.

[0:00:35] Voice 2: It is difficult for those of us who never had to go through those experiences to fully understand the intensity and pain felt by those who did.

[0:00:44] Voice 2: To understand the intergenerational trauma that remains is a legacy of those injustices.

[0:00:50] Voice 2: For many of us, the revelations over the past few years come as a shocking surprise.

[0:00:54] Voice 2: rise. However, there is clear evidence that those operating the system knew full well about the

[0:00:59] Voice 2: atrocities that were being committed upon Indigenous children in these institutions.

[0:01:04] Voice 2: The Davenport Report of 1879 showed the clear methodical intention of the Canadian government

[0:01:10] Voice 2: to force Indigenous children out of their communities and away from their cultures by

[0:01:14] Voice 2: any means necessary. The Shaw Letter of 1898 detailed the rampant physical and mental abuse

[0:01:21] Voice 2: taking place and the author elizabeth shaw was discredited and declared mentally unfit by the

[0:01:27] Voice 2: methodist minister missionary who founded that school the bryce report of 1907 was even more

[0:01:34] Voice 2: damning although this report was distributed to members of parliament and covered by the press

[0:01:39] Voice 2: it did not lead to any lasting change dr bryce spent years repeatedly calling for change and

[0:01:45] Voice 2: pointing out the atrocities occurring within the schools until he was forcibly retired in 1921.

[0:01:51] Voice 2: Price was fired from his job as Chief Medical Officer and never worked in the medical field

[0:01:55] Voice 2: again.

[0:01:57] Voice 2: These documents clearly show that those in charge were aware of the abuses that went

[0:02:02] Voice 2: on, unchecked for the duration that the Indian Residential Schools were in operation.

[0:02:07] Voice 2: In 1996, Gordon Reserve Indian Residential School in Saskatchewan, the last of its kind,

[0:02:14] Voice 2: was closed and demolished.

[0:02:16] Voice 2: 1996.

[0:02:18] Voice 2: These are truths.

[0:02:20] Voice 2: we must acknowledge the truth as a precursor to reconciliation

[0:02:30] Voice 2: so we have an agenda before us and uh i'd like to acknowledge that um

[0:02:37] Voice 2: that chief pam jack and counselor ken thomas and others are here from

[0:02:42] Voice 2: the delicate nation i appreciate you being here today um just looking to trustees if there's

[0:02:49] Voice 2: anything to add or adjust on the agenda okay i'll take it by general concept we'll approve

[0:02:55] Voice 2: the agenda as presented and start up the trustee reports and who'd like to go

[0:03:00] Voice 2: first

[0:03:27] Voice 2: meeting in Nanaimo with a rather hefty agenda. We worked our way through most of it, covering

[0:03:35] Voice 2: topics of advancing one law enforcement initiatives, the amendment project, and the TUS policy

[0:03:42] Voice 2: statement amendment project as well, and what seemed like a

[0:03:46] Voice 2: million other things. I wanted

[0:03:49] Voice 2: to point out these two items in particular because the details of these two projects

[0:03:54] Voice 2: are on the Allens Trust website.

[0:03:57] Voice 2: I'm pleased to announce that Trust Council has appointed

[0:04:01] Voice 2: to the Allens Trust Accessibility Committee.

[0:04:04] Voice 2: This committee is established under a BC assessment

[0:04:06] Voice 2: that aims to promote exclusive practices

[0:04:10] Voice 2: to improve accessibility throughout our communities.

[0:04:13] Voice 2: The committee makes

[0:04:14] Voice 2: recommendations to improve accessibility

[0:04:17] Voice 2: in policy, procedures, bylaws, and infrastructure.

[0:04:23] Voice 2: And we aim to make greater equality and inclusiveness

[0:04:26] Voice 2: for the residents of the trust area uh the board to

[0:04:29] Voice 2: help which were to join the committee and

[0:04:33] Voice 2: making our communities more welcoming and inclusive for everyone we have another update on

[0:04:40] Voice 2: a request for decision rfd

[0:04:43] Voice 4: that i submitted

[0:04:43] Voice 2: that was approved by trust council back in june 2023

[0:04:48] Voice 2: we are at the focused on recruiting communications and engagements with first nations in our

[0:04:53] Voice 2: referral process over the past year staff have been gathering feedback and working to build

[0:05:00] Voice 2: stronger relationships conversations and our recent trust council meeting staff presented

[0:05:06] Voice 2: recommendations for a work plan and incorporating this initiative into our strategic plan

[0:05:12] Voice 2: and adding it to our reconciliation very great to trust council's endorsement of these

[0:05:19] Voice 2: recommendations and i especially want to thank the trustees and staff that have supported this

[0:05:24] Voice 2: important work. And lastly, I want to touch on the wildfire situation. October is raining out,

[0:05:32] Voice 2: but currently right now there's 120 active wildfires across the province.

[0:05:42] Voice 2: So far, yeah, firefighting efforts in BC, the cost has come in around $387 million.

[0:05:48] Voice 2: As compared to November 2023, it's much more severe, where we saw 2.2 million hectares

[0:05:56] Voice 2: per month's precedent in evacuations.

[0:06:01] Voice 2: It just seems like this year we have been a little bit overfree with the wetter, cooler

[0:06:07] Voice 2: weather, and I just want to send my heartfelt thanks to firefighters, emergency responders,

[0:06:14] Voice 2: volunteers, especially those here on Garland Island for tirelessly keeping our communities

[0:06:20] Voice 2: safe.

[0:06:22] Voice 2: That's my report. My office hours are Mondays, so 9-11 at the office.

[0:06:29] Voice 2: Thank you. Trustee Mabry.

[0:06:31] Voice 2: Thanks, Lisa. Just a couple of things.

[0:06:35] Voice 2: I attended a reconciliation event at the North End Community Hall

[0:06:39] Voice 2: and it was hosted by Michelle Crocker and the North End Community Hall Association, I believe.

[0:06:44] Voice 2: And it was a great little event.

[0:06:46] Voice 2: I mean, these are, it was very casual. It was nice.

[0:06:50] Voice 2: it was a lot of people just got to talk and and sort of you know they had great displays up on

[0:06:56] Voice 2: the wall it was it was it was a great little event um the next day i attended the georgia

[0:07:01] Voice 2: family reunion at the rod and gun club and that surprised me because there were a lot more people

[0:07:08] Voice 2: there than i than i thought there would be in essence there's a lot more georgians around

[0:07:14] Voice 2: that I knew about and so that was great it was a it was a big lunch and it was a lot of fun

[0:07:21] Voice 2: and then from there we went down to the yellow house and and got to listen to Rosemary and

[0:07:25] Voice 2: Eva and a few other people talk about reconciliation and it was a very well attended

[0:07:30] Voice 2: event so you know sort of big thanks to everybody on the island who put on these events and I sort

[0:07:37] Voice 2: of just got people together and I think that's a lot to do with the reconciliation part it's just

[0:07:42] Voice 2: people getting together chatting learning new stuff about the history that they didn't know

[0:07:47] Voice 2: before um the north end hall is great for that because as i always say if you're at the north end

[0:07:52] Voice 2: hall and you just look up around and see all of the years the school kids and you uh you sort of

[0:07:57] Voice 2: understand the history of the island you start to understand the history of the island when you read

[0:08:02] Voice 2: those those um school attendance reports um the last thing is i just want to acknowledge the

[0:08:10] Voice 2: passing of lordy palmbridge a long long time resident um good friend to a lot of people

[0:08:19] Voice 2: and um it's fairly new like wasn't that long ago and uh just um whenever somebody like gordy goes

[0:08:27] Voice 2: just sort of feels like a little piece of the island is gone so uh just wanting more

[0:08:38] Voice 2: um so

[0:08:39] Voice 3: next uh the chair's report um busy time since i was last

[0:08:44] Voice 2: here with you all um

[0:08:48] Voice 2: early in september i guess mid-september a number

[0:08:53] Voice 3: of trustees executive and staff

[0:08:55] Voice 3: I attended the Union of BC Municipalities Convention in Vancouver.

[0:09:00] Voice 2: It was kicked off by a province-wide community to community forum,

[0:09:05] Voice 2: which was hosted by UBCM and the First Nations Leadership Council,

[0:09:10] Voice 2: including speakers, Grand Chief Stuart Phillip,

[0:09:13] Voice 2: President of the Union of BC Indian Chiefs, Kimberly Murray,

[0:09:18] Voice 2: Special Interlocutor for Missing Children and Unmarked Graves and Burial Sites

[0:09:23] Voice 2: associated with Indian residential schools and the keynote speaker the

[0:09:27] Voice 2: Honourable Judy Wilson-Raybould. There was a number of panel discussions

[0:09:32] Voice 2: including implementing and legislating UNDRIP and collaborative land use

[0:09:38] Voice 2: planning and inclusive regional governance. Also attended a

[0:09:44] Voice 2: number of sessions including a session on mental health for elected leaders,

[0:09:54] Voice 2: strengthening responsible conduct in municipal governments.

[0:10:02] Voice 2: Islands Trust met with the Ministry of Municipal Affairs staff regarding engagement with First

[0:10:07] Voice 2: Nations, the request for the province to review the Islands Trust Act, the Ministry of Housing

[0:10:13] Voice 2: staff to request a rural and island communities housing stream to support housing projects in

[0:10:20] Voice 2: smaller coastal communities and with ministry of forest staff with regard to wildfire planning

[0:10:27] Voice 2: especially in the context of island communities living in the forest interface we had trust

[0:10:34] Voice 2: council in an animal the following week least is ably reported on that so i won't go into a

[0:10:39] Voice 2: lot of detail there and then we did have a a committee of whole in that meeting uh working

[0:10:48] Voice 2: on the draft policy statement and then another one on october 3rd and uh number of items were

[0:10:56] Voice 2: deferred to december including uh further consideration of the section 3 object strategic

[0:11:03] Voice 2: planning update meeting procedures and code of conduct review so i will leave that there

[0:11:11] Voice 2: and we'll move on through our agenda here. I don't see our electoral area director here

[0:11:21] Voice 2: today, so we'll pass that part on. And then the next section is First Nations report and

[0:11:27] Voice 2: I wonder if there's anyone here that want to share anything with us today or...

[0:11:39] I attended the North Hall gathering

[0:11:43] Voice 2: as well, it was really nice, got to see some friends

[0:11:47] Voice 2: and got to share some good food, good conversations, good all-around time, and it's good to see

[0:11:59] Voice 2: the Christmas fair going to come up again, so we got invited to that, we're going to

[0:12:05] Voice 2: try to try to get some of our artists from over and bring some of their work over here

[0:12:14] Voice 2: it was a good good time there you know every every time i come over it feels like come

[0:12:26] Voice 2: reality is where elders talk about that you know like it is galliano as well

[0:12:40] Voice 2: that's free content

[0:12:41] Voice 2: But the elders always ask me to reflect out of our territory and see the territories.

[0:12:52] Voice 2: So I decided to share that with you.

[0:12:53] Voice 2: It was a good time.

[0:12:54] Voice 2: And I love

[0:12:56] Voice 3: coming over here.

[0:13:02] Voice 3: That's good.

[0:13:05] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:13:06] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:13:08] I'm here.

[0:13:29] Voice 2: my name is

[0:13:32] Voice 2: my name comes from

[0:13:36] Voice 2: our Siam people down in the

[0:13:38] Voice 2: Hossanich territories

[0:13:39] Voice 2: my grandma's

[0:13:42] Voice 2: grandma and grandpa raised me

[0:13:43] Voice 2: my grandmother was from Sycam

[0:13:46] Voice 2: her father was from Penelope

[0:13:48] Voice 2: and my grandfather

[0:13:50] Voice 2: was from Folau

[0:13:51] Voice 2: Well, my great-grandma was from my accent.

[0:13:54] Voice 2: My great-grandmother was from Sami'amu

[0:13:58] Voice 2: and quite illustrated in the book on the Fort Langley Journals.

[0:14:07] Voice 2: Old Katie Jim was her name.

[0:14:10] Voice 2: I'm honoured to be here again

[0:14:12] Voice 2: and I'm glad to come when I have the time

[0:14:17] Voice 2: and I really appreciate my council, my community,

[0:14:20] Voice 2: our youth and our community to be able to stand in when I can't be here so I just want to say that

[0:14:28] Voice 2: you know again reiterate the message of what our elders our self-man and our our council have

[0:14:38] Voice 2: directed me to do is really build those partnerships in our territories not just

[0:14:46] Voice 2: partnerships but asserting ourselves back into territories that have we haven't been in which is

[0:14:53] Voice 2: here which is salt spring which is our tenth island territories are you know we've got um

[0:15:02] Voice 2: lands that weren't relinquished voluntarily and i don't want to make this political um just want to

[0:15:09] Voice 2: reassert what our elders have said and um state that you know we're here to work in partnership

[0:15:16] Voice 2: and work together as one because as my grandpa always said and he was the hereditary chief of

[0:15:24] Voice 2: hello um he says we can't do anything by ourselves honey he said that when they did work

[0:15:33] Voice 2: and it was meaningful work, they went door to door. And it wasn't just in the community of

[0:15:39] Voice 2: Clout. They would boat out to Penelakut, they would boat out, canoe out to the other territories,

[0:15:47] Voice 2: Laiaks, and he said they would even meet with the farmers around Clout territories,

[0:15:53] Voice 2: because they wanted to work together as one. And I really believe that, and our elders believe that.

[0:16:01] Voice 2: so i'm honored to be here yet again and always in all of the work that everybody's done

[0:16:09] Voice 2: i appreciate the invite each and every time and always open to being part of the community

[0:16:17] Voice 2: and building that bridge there's gaps there i had a meeting with the mayor

[0:16:25] Voice 2: yesterday and talked about the gaps in the work that needs to be done. We're a little behind

[0:16:33] Voice 2: as Penelope Mestimo. Our people have charged us, chief and council, to be able to catch up with

[0:16:45] Voice 2: with our counterpart, not only the surrounding communities

[0:16:50] Voice 2: of Tsimanehs, of Powhatan, of Palau,

[0:16:56] Voice 2: where we have fell behind the times

[0:17:01] Voice 2: as a direct result of that non-communication

[0:17:05] Voice 2: with our counterparts.

[0:17:06] Voice 2: And I want to reassure our council, our community,

[0:17:11] Voice 2: our youth, as well as our community here

[0:17:14] Voice 2: that we're willing participants to work together in partnership moving ourselves forward in a united

[0:17:22] Voice 2: front education thank you very much um so next on our agenda we have a town hall and questions

[0:17:34] Voice 2: section there's quite a lot of people here and of course we do have a public hearing coming up

[0:17:39] Voice 2: um so i'll look for a show of hands people would like to address the local trust committee

[0:17:44] Voice 2: and uh see a couple three so i'll start over on this end and please keep your comments brief

[0:17:56] Voice 2: ideally uh to uh items on the agenda or at least within the jurisdiction of the local trust

[0:18:02] Voice 2: committee yeah and

[0:18:03] Voice 2: uh um just a reminder to use uh respectful language thank you go ahead

[0:18:08] Voice 2: My

[0:18:08] Voice 3: name is Jan Nelson. I'm a springtime resident of Wise Island. We've been trying to get project 15.1.2 GA-2022 from 2000.2-106, which is a new amended by-laws for Wise Island to reflect better than the Galliano by-laws for small boat access properties.

[0:18:30] Voice 3: And just, I know we've had some meetings with the trustees, I've taken the trustees on a tour of Lizaun, and yeah, I just want to put that on the table so that I can move that to the prior list to be worked on.

[0:18:46] Voice 2: For my second point,

[0:18:47] Voice 3: I also wanted to just say that I was looking at the Mudge Island, the recent Mudge Island,

[0:18:53] Voice 3: uh bylaw compliance enforcement um sexual policy 5.5.1 and i just wanted to say that i agree with

[0:19:02] Voice 3: the amendments that they have proposed

[0:19:03] Voice 2: i think it's a really good idea um to basically allow

[0:19:08] Voice 2: vital officers to have more discretion

[0:19:10] Voice 3: than what they can and cannot or what they should and what

[0:19:13] Voice 3: they should not investigate so thank you thank you and then moving

[0:19:19] Voice 2: this way yes sir i'm tom rogers

[0:19:22] Voice 2: as president of white island neighbor guns just further than that until we do get um some type of

[0:19:28] Voice 2: wildlife for wise island i have here is the the letter that came from uh warren digman

[0:19:35] Voice 2: um in march of 2023 uh recommending that there is a um basically deferred the enforcement until we

[0:19:47] to get that resolved we still get letters we still get people coming over um until we get that

[0:19:54] i'd like to put that back forward again to see if we could have

[0:19:57] Voice 2: that set aside until we get a

[0:20:00] Voice 2: resolution on those pipelines okay thank you for that uh is this only for the uh water sustainability

[0:20:11] Voice 2: project is that separate no that's we're gonna have a community information and a public hearing

[0:20:16] Voice 2: coming up a little later in the agenda so this is just

[0:20:19] Voice 3: in the more general sense

[0:20:22] Voice 2: they're correct yeah yeah so

[0:20:27] Voice 2: sure okay i'm just wondering about the uh uh rezoning and the subdivision of the uh

[0:20:35] Voice 2: lock up at the end of the very end point road and uh see that

[0:20:40] Voice 2: that the cash in lieu donations based on the appraisals,

[0:20:46] Voice 2: which is done for the owner,

[0:20:48] Voice 2: and usually in real estate transactions,

[0:20:51] Voice 2: the owner and the other party will accept for the appraisals.

[0:20:57] Voice 2: I see that the assessed value is quite a lot higher

[0:21:00] Voice 2: than what was decided by the person who did the appraisal,

[0:21:05] Voice 2: that did the appraisal and became one of Joe's staff.

[0:21:11] Voice 2: of what the assessed value is and so when you take into account the five percent cash

[0:21:17] Voice 2: um you know it's uh much lower because it's something crazy so i was wondering if uh

[0:21:26] Voice 2: the otc has any concerns about that okay thank you uh trustees anything on that

[0:21:35] Voice 2: so we'll be discussing it later okay yeah well that's the question

[0:21:39] Voice 2: The only opportunity I have to ask a question, so when you discuss it later, I'm assuming it's going to be during the applications process, but only the applicant has an opportunity to speak, is that not the way?

[0:21:55] Voice 4: Yeah, correct.

[0:21:55] Voice 4: Correct.

[0:21:56] Voice 2: Okay. And I'm also wondering if Parks and Recreation, I know it's a CRD organization,

[0:22:05] Voice 2: but I'm wondering if Parks and Recreation has had a chance to weigh in on the possibility

[0:22:11] Voice 2: of a press donation rather than the $75,000. And I look to staff on that. So the decision

[0:22:21] Voice 2: between park dedication or cash and lieu is actually a decision by the applicant so it's

[0:22:27] Voice 2: the applicant's decision and my understanding that this is still going forward to the crd

[0:22:32] Voice 2: parks and recreation commission to decide on the appraisal of the support

[0:22:38] Voice 2: so you know crd and the parks and records

[0:22:42] Voice 2: any kind of decision-making authority to say they would prefer to have

[0:22:49] Voice 2: I can't

[0:22:50] Voice 2: speak to the CRD's

[0:22:51] Voice 1: decision-making,

[0:22:54] Voice 2: but my understanding is that it's the applicant's decision.

[0:22:57] Voice 1: Chair, this is Phil Testimel.

[0:22:59] Voice 1: Can you hear me?

[0:23:00] Voice 1: Yes, please, go ahead.

[0:23:02] Voice 1: Sorry to interrupt you, Kim.

[0:23:04] Voice 1: So just to follow up on what Kim said,

[0:23:06] Voice 1: so the process is a protocol agreement

[0:23:08] Voice 1: between the Islands Trust and the CRD,

[0:23:11] Voice 1: and originally there was some confusion

[0:23:15] Voice 1: about whether or not Mr. Waterfall's property

[0:23:18] Voice 1: or the property in question was on a schedule which would have included it

[0:23:23] Voice 1: would have taken that option away from from them but regardless it isn't on

[0:23:30] Voice 1: that schedule so it as Kim's pointed out it is the option of the owner the

[0:23:36] Voice 1: appraisal is the process is that the appraisal is vetted by the manager of

[0:23:41] Voice 1: properties at crd and he has approved that in principle uh based on um his experience and and

[0:23:49] Voice 1: that that agreement and what's happening now is that it's taken to the crd board they have to

[0:23:55] Voice 1: accept it and they have to that would be assigned to um the general fund for park acquisition in the

[0:24:02] Voice 1: southern gulf islands um we don't have a schedule unfortunately right now i haven't been able to get

[0:24:07] Voice 1: hold of stephen henderson who's in charge of that um but that is forthcoming and that's part of the

[0:24:12] Voice 1: report so um yeah i think that hopefully that answers some some more of that question thank

[0:24:21] Voice 2: you for that okay i see a couple hands over here so start on this end and move this way yes uh

[0:24:28] Voice 2: i guess some clarification on uh the subdivision and decision to for a cash payment

[0:24:37] Voice 2: When the subdivision was, I was chair of Yalney Island Parks and Recreation when the initial subdivision application was referred to us.

[0:24:49] Voice 2: This is the voting process.

[0:24:51] Voice 2: The Parks Commission at the time looked at what was being proposed in terms of a park donation.

[0:25:02] Voice 2: and the commission did not feel that it would add very much to the park system

[0:25:10] Voice 2: and we were hoping to get into consultation with the owners about other lands that might be considered

[0:25:18] Voice 2: but they decided then that they would go directly to the cash action of any land transfer.

[0:25:29] Voice 2: Thank you for that background.

[0:25:31] Voice 2: And I think I saw a hand over here and then a hand down here.

[0:25:35] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:25:35] Voice 2: This is something that I heard in the September 24th, you know, the time out.

[0:25:44] Voice 2: In this one, the trustee we are talking about sending a letter to the minister.

[0:25:52] Voice 2: And the trustee mother said, I want to send a resignation to my family, friends, and relatives.

[0:26:01] Voice 2: And I wonder if the trustees, the trustees should represent it, or I hope, the residents of the building.

[0:26:14] Voice 2: And I wonder if the trustees should be neutral about not specifically representing friends and family in the building.

[0:26:26] Voice 2: They should wonder that it's not devalued by the part of the building.

[0:26:41] Voice 2: Okay, and then I think I saw a hand down here.

[0:26:44] Voice 2: Oh, did you want to?

[0:26:45] Voice 4: Yeah, sure.

[0:26:47] Voice 2: So if you take that into context, the letter that was being negotiated or was being talked about at Trust Council,

[0:26:55] Voice 4: when

[0:26:57] Voice 2: I talk about First Nations, when I talk about them, I talk about those that I have permission to talk about.

[0:27:03] Voice 2: So I don't have permission.

[0:27:04] Voice 2: I don't have the right to talk about other First Nations stories, right?

[0:27:10] Voice 2: So I represent those people that I have been given the right to represent.

[0:27:20] Voice 2: And so in reference to that letter that was being proposed to send to the minister,

[0:27:29] Voice 2: I've been very clear at Trust Council, I'm in both the trustees here and verify that.

[0:27:37] Voice 2: If we're going to send a letter to the minister, at the forefront of that letter should be First Nations.

[0:27:44] Voice 2: and so i speak on behalf of first nations those that i'm allowed to speak on behalf

[0:27:49] Voice 2: and um and i've been very clear that if we are going to send a letter to the minister

[0:27:55] Voice 2: that the focus of it should be on reconciliation if you look at the um action sort of reports of

[0:28:04] Voice 2: trust council reconciliation is right at the top so i don't feel it's a bias to represent

[0:28:12] Voice 2: represent reconciliation right i don't

[0:28:15] Voice 2: think it's a bias to represent um any first nations peoples

[0:28:19] Voice 2: we need to be represented we want to be represented um i think it's just a fact right

[0:28:26] Voice 2: of course i represent everybody from galliana but we were talking about a very specific letter that

[0:28:33] Voice 2: was going to the minister of which i have been very clear at trust council that reconciliation

[0:28:39] Voice 2: reconciliation and um and the the path to shared government with our local nations

[0:28:53] Voice 2: is my priority in that letter so i i if you've listened to or you were listening in at trust

[0:29:01] Voice 2: council you would you would have heard that um so yeah so i don't i mean reconciliation is

[0:29:07] Voice 2: reconciliation um speak on on behalf of those people that you represent i represent people

[0:29:15] Voice 2: of galliano and i represent first nations people that i've been given leave to represent

[0:29:24] Voice 2: thank you i think i saw a hand down here nope uh and then i did see a hand in the middle here

[0:29:31] Voice 2: if i heard her mean it correctly i i don't think she was questioning

[0:29:36] Voice 2: you representing

[0:29:37] Voice 2: reconciliations or first nations i think it was a statement that you represent

[0:29:43] Voice 2: friends, family, and relatives that she was just asking about, how do other residents

[0:29:49] Voice 2: of Galliano, how are they represented?

[0:29:53] Voice 2: Oh, yeah, I mean, I've been clear, I represent the people of Galliano.

[0:29:57] Voice 2: But when it comes to reconciliation, I...

[0:30:00] Voice 2: speak for those people who've given me the

[0:30:01] Voice 2: right to speak. I don't think

[0:30:03] Voice 2: everybody was questioning that.

[0:30:04] Voice 1: No,

[0:30:04] Voice 2: I understand.

[0:30:06] Voice 2: It's just maybe the context was

[0:30:09] Voice 2: a little misunderstood.

[0:30:13] Voice 2: Okay, any other

[0:30:15] Voice 2: people want to speak?

[0:30:16] Voice 2: I see one in the back there and

[0:30:18] Voice 2: just note that I'm hearing from our

[0:30:21] Voice 2: online tech folk, they're having a hard

[0:30:23] Voice 2: time hearing folks speaking

[0:30:25] Voice 3: so either

[0:30:26] Voice 2: speak loudly

[0:30:28] Voice 3: or you can also come up near the

[0:30:30] Voice 3: microphone here.

[0:30:33] Voice 2: Yeah, I was just going to say it's hard to hear back there, so if you can remember to speak up.

[0:30:37] Voice 2: Okay, thank you. So anyone else in the town hall session?

[0:30:43] Voice 2: Oh, okay. I'm not seeing any more hands, so we'll move on.

[0:30:49] Voice 2: You better cut it off.

[0:30:53] Voice 2: Actually, maybe this is the opportunity to say that I'm concerned.

[0:30:59] Voice 2: I'll stand up.

[0:31:01] Voice 2: I am concerned about the scheduling of a CIM immediately followed by a public hearing on the bylaws.

[0:31:10] Voice 2: There really has not been very much information available to the community on the bylaws.

[0:31:17] Voice 2: And, you know, there are a lot more people who live here than are represented here.

[0:31:21] Voice 2: and people I've spoken to really don't know anything about what's being proposed for the CIM.

[0:31:30] Voice 2: And there wasn't anything in the active page trustee report about either the CIM or the public hearing,

[0:31:38] Voice 2: which I think is an unfortunate omission.

[0:31:42] Voice 2: And it doesn't seem that there is an opportunity then for people to get information at the CIM, think about it, talk to their neighbors, maybe ask the trustees some questions before the public hearing.

[0:32:00] Voice 2: So I realize there's some expediency for the trust staff who have to come from elsewhere.

[0:32:07] Voice 2: where but um it doesn't seem to me to be really offering much of an opportunity for public

[0:32:15] Voice 2: information and engagement to happen just back to back and i know it's happened before but um i just

[0:32:24] Voice 2: wanted to say that thank you okay thank you um and i'll just do one more scan not seeing any more

[0:32:35] Voice 2: more hands okay so then the next item on our agenda is uh any information meeting on the

[0:32:44] Voice 2: groundwater sustainability project and I'll pass it over to staff um to lead us off thank you

[0:32:52] Voice 2: chair Peterson um so this is a community information meeting uh which offers an opportunity to ask

[0:33:00] Voice 2: questions regarding this project and the proposed bylaws and then after the CIM

[0:33:05] Voice 2: there is a public hearing and that is the formal process where you state if

[0:33:12] Voice 2: you're in support of the proposed bylaws or if you're not in support of the

[0:33:18] Voice 2: proposed bylaws and if you have any suggested amendments for the LTC to

[0:33:23] Voice 2: consider so the CIM is in regards to the groundwater sustainability project that

[0:33:29] Voice 2: started back in february of 2021 uh during that time early on there were a couple community

[0:33:35] Voice 2: information meetings regarding the uh this uh project over the course of a year draft bylaws

[0:33:43] Voice 2: were amended and further amended based on input received by to the ltc there is a proposed bylaw

[0:33:53] Voice 2: 284, and that makes amendments to the Galliano Island Land Use By-law, and those amendments

[0:34:01] Voice 2: include new definitions, a new cistern requirement that increases the cistern size from what

[0:34:11] Voice 2: currently is 9,000 litres in the Land Use By-law to 8,000 litres.

[0:34:16] Voice 2: The reference to rainwater collection has actually been changed to freshwater collection

[0:34:23] Voice 2: for cisterns and the subdivision regulations were also updated bylaw number 283 proposed

[0:34:33] Voice 2: bylaw number 283 makes amendments to the official community plan there are some minor changes

[0:34:39] Voice 2: to some of the wording in the OCP updates to relevant policies and objectives in terms

[0:34:48] Voice 2: of the groundwater protection development permit area.

[0:34:53] Voice 2: There's a new schedule D which is a new map

[0:34:58] Voice 2: that shows groundwater regions.

[0:35:02] Voice 2: And there's also, there's gonna be the removal

[0:35:05] Voice 2: of the existing development permit area number four

[0:35:09] Voice 2: which is the elevated groundwater catchment DPA

[0:35:12] Voice 2: with a new DPA and that's called

[0:35:14] Voice 2: the groundwater recharge protection.

[0:35:17] Voice 2: Within that new DPA, there are also a number of new exemptions that were not included in there are not currently included in the existing development permit area.

[0:35:29] Voice 2: And one of those is in reference to an exemption for land owned by persons with federal indigenous status.

[0:35:37] Voice 2: And staff did send referrals out in July to First Nations and also First Nation community

[0:35:46] Voice 2: groups, community group and family members as well to ask for any comments on the current

[0:35:52] Voice 2: wording.

[0:35:55] Voice 2: In addition, the draft bylaw includes a map schedule for that development permit area

[0:36:02] Voice 2: as well.

[0:36:04] Voice 2: and both of these bylaws proposed bylaw number 283 and 284 were given first reading on march 14th

[0:36:12] Voice 2: 2023. uh so i'm going to leave it at that so as i mentioned this is a cim so you're able to ask any

[0:36:19] Voice 2: questions directed to the ltc i can do my best to answer any of the technical questions regarding

[0:36:25] Voice 2: the bylaws we also have i would like to introduce william shoba who's a senior senior freshwater

[0:36:31] Voice 2: water specialist is that the official uh who has done a tremendous amount of work with the mapping

[0:36:39] Voice 2: and data collection um to help provide a really strong foundation for this project so we're very

[0:36:45] Voice 2: lucky to have william with us as well thank you okay

[0:36:50] Voice 3: thank you so um questions sandy yeah that's

[0:36:56] Voice 2: the question that the events don't exceed meeting without whether or not the quality and the water

[0:37:02] Voice 2: sustainability groundwater sustainability would require an amendment to the water sustainability

[0:37:09] Voice 2: and you said that it's a good question for the cin so i'm guessing that there's an answer to that now

[0:37:18] Voice 2: uh well we did says the bylaws were referred to the ministry of uh sorry their official name

[0:37:25] Voice 2: the ministry of water lands

[0:37:28] Voice 2: and resources and we to give them an opportunity to review the bylaws

[0:37:34] Voice 2: to ensure that they're in compliance with the act and we did not get a response back

[0:37:38] Voice 2: so assuming that they they had no objections to the bylaws so it would require

[0:37:52] Voice 2: I don't think I understand your question. This is my love of the trustee. It wouldn't require a change of provincial legislation would not be in conversation with the state yet.

[0:38:06] Voice 2: I don't know.

[0:38:10] Voice 2: not that i would foresee there's why there would be a conflict

[0:38:21] just a comment and then i've got two questions

[0:38:28] unless you get a definite response from the ministry you

[0:38:33] Voice 2: should not assume that is a quick

[0:38:36] Voice 2: path to a legal challenge.

[0:38:38] Voice 2: So I don't think

[0:38:40] Voice 2: that you should be able that

[0:38:43] this trust committee should

[0:38:45] move beyond

[0:38:46] this stage of community

[0:38:49] information until

[0:38:51] Voice 2: you have assured yourself

[0:38:53] of

[0:38:54] Voice 2: questions

[0:38:55] Voice 2: of policy and

[0:38:57] Voice 2: jurisdiction. My

[0:39:00] two questions are

[0:39:01] to the staff, can you

[0:39:04] provide assurances that

[0:39:06] Voice 2: the proposed bylaws are

[0:39:07] Voice 2: on a complete concurrence of harmony with all of the relevant provincial groundwater regulatory

[0:39:14] Voice 2: regime are you in complete compliance are these bylaws

[0:39:22] Voice 2: of complete compliance

[0:39:25] Voice 2: well and i i i'm not um foreseeing a risk i i i'm not even understanding the pathways to compliance

[0:39:39] Voice 2: um these are this is more of a planning question this is a local trust committee bylaw

[0:39:46] Voice 2: and we have reviewed the groundwater protection regulation under the water sustainability act

[0:39:57] Voice 2: and the groundwater protection regulation has certain rules and and focus of that regulation

[0:40:08] Voice 2: and the there's not a lot of crosstalk between the two that perhaps with seawater intrusion risk

[0:40:20] Voice 2: where the bylaw follows closely with what the groundwater protection regulation provides

[0:40:28] Voice 2: as for compliance issues and this is just another layer of governance i don't think that there is a

[0:40:39] Voice 2: a competing issue there but that that's more of a governance planning question but on the

[0:40:48] Voice 2: technical aspect of it um there is guidance documents put forward by the province for

[0:41:01] Voice 2: pump testing and their pump test requirements in their guidance documents are if read purely

[0:41:15] Voice 2: early as as they're laid out in a brochure is more stringent than the requirements of the bylaw

[0:41:23] Voice 2: and the proof of water that's not for this development area so

[0:41:28] Voice 2: that's right yeah i guess we'll just couple them together but in the proof of water bylaw for

[0:41:35] Voice 2: subdivision we say 12 hours pumping test as a minimum where some of the guidance documents

[0:41:41] to the province say in areas of fractured bedrock that a pump test should be 72 hours

[0:41:48] um in in our review of historical work in the unrestressed area and and and just the logistics

[0:41:58] of undertaking a contest

[0:41:59] Voice 2: in three days is likely not feasible for a regular subdivision so we have

[0:42:07] Voice 2: have followed 12 hours so that's one area where um the land use bylaw does differ from guidance

[0:42:16] Voice 2: documents from the province but as for like the water sustainability act and groundwater protection

[0:42:23] Voice 2: regulation in our review we we don't we haven't seen an issue and also the proof of water bylaw

[0:42:33] Voice 2: has been referred to we worked on it really closely with provincial staff

[0:42:38] when we're when

[0:42:39] Voice 2: we're uh designing it it's been three years in the making

[0:42:43] Voice 2: um but their their response on our development permit area for groundwater recharge protection

[0:42:51] Voice 2: um yeah we haven't heard back from them um you know it's it it's a good point because

[0:42:59] Voice 2: we're talking about groundwater and provinces in the business of licensing groundwater and

[0:43:05] Voice 2: and and you know they rent the water from the ground in a lot of cases

[0:43:11] Voice 2: but it's up up to local government to um provide sound land use planning and to protect recharge

[0:43:21] Voice 2: areas that's that's of the responsibility of local government and so that's what this bylaw is

[0:43:27] Voice 2: meeting so i mean i'd like to hear more about your concern um whether you know there's a you know i

[0:43:42] Voice 2: don't want to wait too much into like the professional planning scheme of layering on

[0:43:48] Voice 2: land use bylaws over top of the provincial regulation over top of federal regulation

[0:43:52] Voice 2: that happens everywhere so i i don't want to wade into that but the technical aspects of looking at

[0:43:58] Voice 2: the groundwater protection regulation and the dpa and the proof of water bylaw aside from the pumping

[0:44:07] Voice 2: test length i i couldn't really see um and and of course the the province did provide that feedback

[0:44:16] Voice 2: that there is a discrepancy between their guidance documents of desk length but they

[0:44:21] Voice 2: agreed with us that the length of time for a simple two lots subdivision undertaking a three

[0:44:27] Voice 2: day pump test is probably out of the logistics i'm hearing you say you think it's in compliance

[0:44:36] Voice 2: but you're not sure because the provincial government has not said it one way or another

[0:44:42] Voice 2: as to whether these bylaws are going to be in compliance they are silent so we assume their

[0:44:49] Voice 2: silence is approval and is that enough let's go back to uh the trustees is this silent approval

[0:45:02] Voice 2: enough to give you confidence to move forward with the violence

[0:45:11] Voice 2: raise a very specific question i guess that's where my concerns were are there any other

[0:45:21] Voice 2: other issues where you might not be in compliance with?

[0:45:27] Voice 2: If you don't think technically,

[0:45:30] Voice 2: except for maybe pump tests, technicalities,

[0:45:33] Voice 2: you're pretty sure that you're gonna be in compliance.

[0:45:38] Voice 2: Well, through the chair,

[0:45:42] Voice 2: I wanna comment on the conception of thinking.

[0:45:46] Voice 2: We're both, you know, we have a professional planner,

[0:45:50] Voice 2: and professional geoscientists we're both bc public servants and through the course of doing

[0:45:58] Voice 2: this work we've done our due diligence and providing professional analysis and of course

[0:46:05] Voice 2: through the course of this bylaw going through its first second third readings and then going to

[0:46:12] Voice 2: higher executive levels there could be some other analysis that show that maybe our analysis is

[0:46:19] Voice 2: has issues in certain areas but this is the bylaw we put forward and and we're confident that we're

[0:46:27] Voice 2: not providing something that that shouldn't go through those channels and i i don't know is

[0:46:41] Voice 2: a referral a non-response response i i don't know i can't say that so that's not hard okay can i

[0:46:49] Voice 2: Let me ask my second question now to the staff.

[0:46:54] There is some analysis of the 62 parcels of land

[0:46:59] that would be affected by the adoption of these widows,

[0:47:05] as indicated in the September staff report.

[0:47:09] How many of those identified parcels of

[0:47:12] Voice 2: land, if any,

[0:47:14] Voice 2: would be affected by the adoption

[0:47:16] Voice 2: of the proposed exemption fee?

[0:47:18] Voice 2: And I ask this from the perspective of if there are a significant number of parcels

[0:47:28] of land that would be subject to a blanket exemption P, then

[0:47:36] Voice 2: would this not gut the whole

[0:47:39] Voice 2: basis of the groundwater sustainability bylaws?

[0:47:44] Voice 2: are certain key parcels affected or are they not affected because i don't think that you can move

[0:47:51] Voice 2: forward with something like exemption p without knowing how many of those parcels of land

[0:47:59] Voice 2: may be affected gain for the viability of the whole proposal a groundwater sustainability

[0:48:09] Voice 2: No, we don't have that information. We don't have information on property owners and their

[0:48:15] Voice 2: cultural heritage.

[0:48:19] Voice 2: So we don't know how many, if any, parcels might be affected?

[0:48:24] Voice 4: No.

[0:48:25] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:48:26] Voice 2: I will correct you though.

[0:48:30] Voice 2: Exemption P.

[0:48:31] Voice 2: Yeah, so this was just for Exemption P. There's other exemptions that remove the 62 affected

[0:48:38] Voice 2: parcels that are in my technical memory that there's the private managed forest lands as well

[0:48:45] as parks and protected areas and so the parcels affected are it's

[0:48:49] Voice 2: not 62 it's it's about half

[0:48:51] Voice 2: i just want to speak to exception p and with all due respect to our first nation's neighbors who

[0:49:10] Voice 2: were here. It's an unusual exemption, because it actually,

[0:49:19] Voice 2: it, and I've heard the staff speak to this and caution about

[0:49:24] Voice 2: this particular exemption, because it regulates land use

[0:49:29] Voice 2: based on the identity of the land owner rather than the land

[0:49:34] Voice 2: use and um because it has to do with freshwater sustainability i think this is really significant

[0:49:43] Voice 2: and something that um requires some thinking about in terms of how it would actually benefit

[0:49:51] Voice 2: first nations landowners um not all first nations people of course think alike as not all white

[0:50:00] Voice 2: people think alike so you the the dpa as i understand it is to um treat land that's been

[0:50:09] Voice 2: identified as a critical recharge area with extra care and caution it doesn't eliminate development

[0:50:16] Voice 2: but it adds another little layer of care and what we know from the freshwater sustainability

[0:50:25] Voice 2: sustainability project and report and there was you know a sentence in the very um second paragraph

[0:50:32] Voice 2: i think of the report that i was looking at from 2021 and it said the freshwater sustainability

[0:50:38] Voice 2: needs to be a key lens

[0:50:40] Voice 2: through which island islands trust land use decisions are made

[0:50:46] Voice 2: and that's for the benefit of first nations and for their neighbors who aren't first nations we

[0:50:53] Voice 2: We all need water, and these have been identified as critical recharge areas.

[0:50:59] Voice 2: We know that extensive tree cutting in a recharge area will affect the recharge capabilities of that land,

[0:51:07] Voice 2: which will not just affect the residents on that property,

[0:51:13] Voice 2: but I know I've heard you say this, Mr. Shulbert, you know, before,

[0:51:18] Voice 2: but it can certainly affect adjacent properties.

[0:51:21] Voice 2: We're on a fragmented gadrock aquifer system here.

[0:51:27] Voice 2: And so I really think this particular exemption is unusual.

[0:51:33] Voice 2: I don't understand how it would benefit First Nations who

[0:51:38] Voice 5: could be

[0:51:39] Voice 2: affected by a neighbor

[0:51:41] Voice 2: who is undertaking activities on their land that would affect their water with no recourse

[0:51:48] Voice 2: whatsoever.

[0:51:49] Voice 2: and I really think that this is a very unusual kind of exemption to put forward because it has to do with groundwater sustainability and we all need our water.

[0:52:09] Voice 2: um and then shop i'm quite surprised uh that uh final stockdale says that no we don't know

[0:52:18] Voice 2: uh how many uh how many uh properties would be affected uh by exemption p when i i distinctly

[0:52:28] Voice 2: recall being at an ltc meeting where the trustees requested that staff bring that information

[0:52:35] Voice 2: forward. Am I wrong about that? Am I dreaming that there was a request from the from the trustees from the LTC that this information come forward so that you could decide well how significant is this exemption be? So I don't understand why has there been any effort made to glean this information in response to the trustees request?

[0:53:00] Voice 2: us did you guys let me trust your baby yeah i just wanted to so you're right in a sense um we

[0:53:09] Voice 2: we had this discussion and i and i forwarded a list of landowners that i knew would be exempt

[0:53:17] Voice 2: um so you according to the definition right which isn't just first nations people but it's with

[0:53:24] Voice 2: um land owned by a person with federal indigenous status living in their traditional territory

[0:53:29] Voice 2: territory with the proof of Indigenous family lineage, right? So I knew of, I believe it

[0:53:35] Voice 2: was seven properties that were occupied now that meet that definition. One of those properties

[0:53:43] Voice 2: is exempt because it's in the PMFL, so that's a different exemption. But I can understand

[0:53:51] Voice 2: Kim's answer because of course we don't know if there's more, right? Those are just the

[0:53:58] Voice 2: seven that i knew right that were being occupied right now by people that met that definition and

[0:54:06] Voice 2: exemption people that would be seven of uh 31 parcels that are affected because there's 62

[0:54:16] Voice 2: involved i heard uh half are already affected by other exemptions like pmfl or covenants or

[0:54:25] Voice 2: whatever 31 would be affected and then seven of the 30 or six of the 31 would be affected by

[0:54:33] Voice 2: exemption p is that is that right at this point to my knowledge that's all i can say

[0:54:41] Voice 2: i haven't done census trustee gavro i think yeah i think we're talking about

[0:54:48] Voice 2: current properties but we're also talking about the long game future properties in the future

[0:54:53] Voice 2: we don't know exactly how many i'm most satisfied the answer we don't know because we don't know

[0:54:57] Voice 2: the future who's been on those properties that's why it's this kind of unique and ambiguous right

[0:55:03] Voice 2: we don't know but today i mean we

[0:55:06] Voice 3: know as

[0:55:07] Voice 2: of today but you know uh 15 years from now

[0:55:10] Voice 2: we could be different 20 years from now different 50 years from now different we don't know

[0:55:18] Voice 2: michelle uh folks we're in reconciliation supposedly and you're showing your you're

[0:55:24] Voice 2: You're showing your two colors of colonialism.

[0:55:26] Voice 2: Sorry.

[0:55:28] Voice 5: Talk to us.

[0:55:30] Voice 5: But not me.

[0:55:31] Voice 2: Talk to us.

[0:55:32] Voice 2: So I just have to say that because it's irritating.

[0:55:37] Voice 2: And how much of the land use plan really was First Nations oriented?

[0:55:44] Voice 2: We hear about the land use plan all the time, but let's go back to that.

[0:55:49] Voice 2: And we talk about an exemption, one exemption of how that's going.

[0:55:55] Voice 2: And let's be realistic, how much of the First Nations were included in the land use plan?

[0:56:04] Voice 3: Sandy?

[0:56:05] Voice 3: I think

[0:56:05] Voice 2: there's been a lack of First Nations involvement.

[0:56:09] Voice 2: Could you speak up a little bit?

[0:56:10] Voice 2: I think there has been a lack of First Nations consideration and involvement.

[0:56:17] Voice 2: moment. And I guess I do have a question. You know, if there's

[0:56:23] Voice 2: an exception granted to a person who is First Nations and

[0:56:27] Voice 2: federally and status and such, and they sell the land to

[0:56:33] Voice 2: somebody who doesn't have the exemption only goes with the

[0:56:37] Voice 2: person and not the land. So what if there's two people on the

[0:56:42] Voice 2: federal and one of them is indigenous and one of them is not is it for several owners and how many

[0:56:52] Voice 2: okay uh

[0:57:03] Voice 3: carmina

[0:57:04] Voice 3: you

[0:57:05] Voice 2: see it's very common that in america some countries we are in the coast only

[0:57:15] Voice 2: only people of that country could have.

[0:57:19] Voice 2: But what happened, everybody knows,

[0:57:21] Voice 2: and people are from North America,

[0:57:24] Voice 2: we invite somebody to come to nationalities in Mexico.

[0:57:31] Voice 2: We are leaving money and everything

[0:57:32] Voice 2: to be given by the other community.

[0:57:36] Voice 2: But it's done together, because it's not the same person.

[0:57:40] Voice 2: So I always hope, I don't want to be like that,

[0:57:44] Voice 2: if it's a joint ownership, one person with the first nation,

[0:57:49] Voice 2: according to what is required.

[0:57:52] Voice 2: And the other person is not.

[0:57:55] Voice 2: You should know that because it's very important.

[0:57:58] Voice 2: Very easily, people will become associated to develop.

[0:58:03] Voice 2: And they will have the benefit of not having to develop in that way.

[0:58:08] Voice 2: I do oppose this cross-community.

[0:58:15] Voice 2: Because I think what is so essential for the community information,

[0:58:20] Voice 2: meaning for the question and answer,

[0:58:22] Voice 1: And that would

[0:58:23] Voice 2: state that during the public hearing.

[0:58:25] Voice 2: Do you

[0:58:26] Voice 2: have an answer?

[0:58:27] Voice 2: Do you know about that?

[0:58:29] Voice 2: If there are two people or three people and one is...

[0:58:32] Voice 2: States that the exemption land owned by a person.

[0:58:36] Voice 2: So if that person is coming forward,

[0:58:38] Voice 2: then those activities by that person would be exempt.

[0:58:41] Voice 1: I'd say

[0:58:42] Voice 2: there are two owners together.

[0:58:44] Voice 2: And one is not.

[0:58:47] Voice 2: Yep.

[0:58:48] Voice 2: It's still land owned by a person.

[0:58:51] Voice 2: So that there to be an exemption

[0:59:27] Voice 2: I would say these are our more crucial results.

[0:59:31] Voice 2: And it's not just for us, people on the island,

[0:59:34] Voice 2: it's for all the ecosystem.

[0:59:36] Voice 2: I don't think

[0:59:39] Voice 5: anyone should have this privilege,

[0:59:45] Voice 5: or it's not even a privilege,

[0:59:49] Voice 2: of not having to pass through the process

[0:59:55] Voice 2: of the healing of them.

[0:59:57] Voice 2: Because if you think

[1:00:00] Voice 2: First Nation, this person in First Nation is a good person, he's honest, he will not try to look at other people.

[1:00:11] Voice 2: And as one person, we are all individuals, it doesn't matter in what group we are, we are individuals.

[1:00:20] Voice 2: And some of us don't care about the ecosystem, we don't care about it, so it could be damaging.

[1:00:27] Voice 2: So

[1:00:27] Voice 5: why not

[1:00:29] Voice 2: to have to go to the area for mid-year graduation, for example?

[1:00:41] Voice 2: Why

[1:00:42] Voice 5: not? Because if you are federation and

[1:00:46] Voice 2: you want to do what you can for this ecosystem, for this land,

[1:00:55] Voice 2: Why not go through this process, but in reality it's not such an honor process, but it's something,

[1:01:04] Voice 2: it's something else.

[1:01:06] Voice 2: So

[1:01:07] Voice 4: that was our tip.

[1:01:08] Voice 2: You know the practical problem in Latin America, I don't know about it, about showing association

[1:01:14] Voice 2: and all the things they do, is shattering corruption to the table.

[1:01:19] Voice 2: And I don't think it's right.

[1:01:50] Voice 2: I'm going to ask you to conclude

[1:01:53] Voice 2: and also to remind everyone,

[1:01:54] Voice 2: address your remarks here, not to each other.

[1:01:58] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:01:59] Voice 2: Okay, I saw, yes.

[1:02:01] Voice 2: May I offer something?

[1:02:02] Voice 2: Yeah, and I saw Ken and then Jennifer and then Steve,

[1:02:07] Voice 2: but go ahead, Mr. Shola.

[1:02:08] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:02:12] Voice 2: You know, I've been with the Islands Trust

[1:02:15] Voice 2: for coming up on a decade now,

[1:02:20] Voice 2: and I come from the science side of this.

[1:02:30] Voice 2: you know when I first undertook this project was addressing the critical aqua recharge areas

[1:02:41] Voice 2: and then thinking that the end game of undertaking a new DPA would in that DPA only include

[1:02:52] Voice 2: 25 percent of what we mapped out I'm not sure if that would waver my

[1:03:03] Voice 2: intensity of undertaking this work. However, across the Islanders Trust area, these development

[1:03:12] Voice 2: permit areas, there's a lot of cut down and escalator. And I believe what the development

[1:03:23] Voice 2: permit areas do the best is facilitate voluntary compliance. No professional opinion on exemption

[1:03:36] Voice 2: I see the exemption of managed forest lands and when that got taken out, that's where

[1:03:42] Voice 2: my bottom fell out.

[1:03:47] Voice 2: Also with the parks, and of course we can't have parks in the development permit area,

[1:03:52] Voice 2: but just by exempting parks and not going to, because we see in the federal park systems

[1:04:02] Voice 2: and the provincial park system, they're really focused on front country, on front country

[1:04:07] Voice 2: camping development they should know that they have critical recharge areas in their lands same

[1:04:16] Voice 2: with the private managed forest lands and so one of the options is that the dpa goes forward as it

[1:04:27] Voice 2: is it was my best intention to match dpa with land use planning as they are with these lines on the

[1:04:35] Voice 2: landscape that are hard to go away and I intersected the critical aqua recharge areas with parcels

[1:04:42] Voice 2: that hasn't been done before this is a new way to include the entire parcel almost like a zone

[1:04:52] Voice 2: so the critical aqua recharge map which I have in my technical memo that could be a scheduled

[1:04:59] Voice 2: map an official thing saying these are where these things are on this landscape there's a lot

[1:05:06] Voice 2: of two acre parcels that are in the critical aquifer recharge areas that are exempt from the

[1:05:10] Voice 2: dpa to begin with then the five connectors that's what the ltc has chosen right um and so just to

[1:05:17] Voice 2: see this map now with a few squares everywhere and say that's groundwater recharge protection

[1:05:23] Voice 2: you only have to look at those areas that's a false statement we need to ensure that even if

[1:05:32] Voice 2: a parcel isn't involved in the dpa that they have a good understanding of what groundwater recharge

[1:05:37] Voice 2: is and what it looks like and if they're doing work on their land that that could be considered

[1:05:45] Voice 2: and so for for all the exemptions i think it's education first and so i i think that there's

[1:05:57] Voice 2: more work with staff can do to facilitate that perhaps the LTC can do work by passing a resolution

[1:06:07] Voice 2: or some sort to put a scheduled map in the official plan of what critical groundwater recharge areas

[1:06:13] Voice 2: are that's a possibility um and you know if you look at it I believe if we just followed what the

[1:06:27] Voice 2: development permit area regulations are with our limited toolkit if that's all we do for

[1:06:33] Voice 2: groundwater protection it's not going to be enough right and the and the galeona community has done

[1:06:40] Voice 2: a lot of work with um you know before i even had my job with the alice trust i heard of galeona

[1:06:45] Voice 2: community going out there with come alongs and thinning the forests and doing good doing good

[1:06:49] Voice 2: work and and conserving you know wetlands and things like that that are the critical

[1:06:55] Voice 2: infrastructure groundwater and all those things need to happen you know this is just one part of

[1:07:04] Voice 2: the discussion and one piece of that puzzle right and i think film current areas protect all of us

[1:07:13] Voice 2: from wrongdoings and i think that for the most part people who live on these islands do good work

[1:07:18] Voice 2: and have voluntary compliance to go above and beyond just the recommendations of the development

[1:07:26] Voice 2: So, yeah, I mean, maybe I'll leave it at that, but, you know, I think that the exempted landowners will follow, you know, follow their heart and their protocols and follow their methods for sustainability and health.

[1:08:01] Voice 2: Okay, thank you. I had Ken next.

[1:08:10] Voice 2: We'll address the table.

[1:08:16] Voice 2: You know, it kind of doesn't surprise me, but the negativity every time there's indigenous,

[1:08:21] Voice 3: the word indigenous in a clause, phrase, or document draws out negativity.

[1:08:28] Voice 3: And I just want to

[1:08:29] Voice 2: clarify, the Outlook tribe has a team of water people.

[1:08:35] people.

[1:08:37] Voice 3: So, you know, just having that in our pocket can help situations go. The table

[1:08:46] Voice 3: has heard me on stuff. Say we're here. We're not going anywhere. We know the residents

[1:08:54] Voice 3: of Galliano are not going anywhere. We got to work together. We got to communicate. Okay.

[1:09:04] Voice 3: We all have the same issues. We have a water cure on Connecticut. Same thing, water sustainability.

[1:09:10] Voice 3: sustainability. It is an issue everywhere,

[1:09:13] Voice 2: not just on Galeano, no kidding. We're always

[1:09:17] Voice 2: trying to look for partners to work together to help solve some of these issues. We're

[1:09:24] Voice 2: not going to sit there and talk about what we're working on. I just have to give that

[1:09:30] Voice 2: to the table for clarification. The negativity when it comes to Indigenous people in a document,

[1:09:39] Voice 2: it's got to stop, it won't stop, it's got to stop.

[1:09:46] Voice 2: I address the table here today for your clarification.

[1:09:51] Voice 2: We have a team of archeological workers, water workers.

[1:09:58] Voice 2: You know, you heard our chief talk about unceded territory,

[1:10:03] Voice 2: all of Galliano, we had no insights in Salisbury.

[1:10:06] Voice 2: I've said that too.

[1:10:09] Voice 2: Chimaymas, we had camps and villages all around it.

[1:10:15] Voice 2: we know the land and to have how many years of not being able to have a say in what goes on in

[1:10:25] Voice 2: our territory i'm hoping for a change in that that's why i come here i come here to work

[1:10:35] Voice 2: with everybody to communicate get rid of this negativity you know it water is a sensitive

[1:10:46] Voice 2: sensitive and an important resource, not just for health, but there are times and reasons.

[1:10:56] Voice 2: So I here address the people with that. A little bit of clarification, any more, come

[1:11:03] Voice 2: and see me, come and talk. I mean, we work with a lot of people from Galliano, our sensitive

[1:11:10] Voice 2: sites. If there's any questions about Penelope being here pre-contact, we're always over

[1:11:20] Voice 2: here taking care of us and we appreciate the help

[1:11:26] Voice 3: from people from the alley people from

[1:11:30] Voice 3: cells coming together and communicating and working with us yes the negativity is

[1:11:38] Voice 3: i

[1:11:39] Voice 2: want to see that i want i don't want it to divert any thinking that we can't handle

[1:11:50] Voice 3: we've been we've been pushed aside

[1:11:52] Voice 2: i'm really proud to be here it's a real honor to be here

[1:12:09] Voice 2: to get this going i just want i just had to get that that's through we're here to work

[1:12:18] Voice 2: and hopefully this is the other side to this story that's coming out in a negative way

[1:12:30] Voice 2: and i'll get it's not coming

[1:12:42] Voice 5: back and see me around i'm always around

[1:12:44] Voice 5: the

[1:12:57] Voice 2: negativity don't channel your thoughts and decisions

[1:13:03] Voice 2: because pre-contact where are you are very upset

[1:13:10] Voice 2: like this document some of them some of them are relevant some of them are documented i have to

[1:13:26] Voice 2: share that with the people thank you

[1:13:31] Voice 3: um

[1:13:32] Voice 2: so i did have uh a couple of hands up on the list here

[1:13:38] Voice 2: and i'd just like to uh yep and i just i'll just i'll come in i'd just like to request um just the

[1:13:48] Voice 2: The folks I have on the list have spoken before.

[1:13:51] Voice 2: So I'd like you to address new questions

[1:13:56] Voice 2: or clarification and let's move on.

[1:14:00] Voice 2: But I'm gonna give a word to Chief Jack.

[1:14:06] Voice 2: I think the trust for embarking on the work,

[1:14:12] Voice 2: I think that you're not giving enough credit

[1:14:17] Voice 2: for the work that you do.

[1:14:20] Voice 2: and trying to do the work and accomplish what needs to be accomplished i hear the concerns

[1:14:35] Voice 2: of the community members i i hear that loud and clear and i'm sure you hear it as well

[1:14:41] Voice 2: i really want to say that i thank you for i always hear one of our elders who sit on a

[1:14:56] Voice 2: our indigenous advisory committee and we work with the federal government including the prime

[1:15:02] Voice 2: minister i can bring that letter to that table um she says to the federal partners help us help you

[1:15:14] Voice 2: help us and when she first was saying that i was going to help us help you help us oh i get it

[1:15:23] Voice 2: okay for a long time we haven't had those alliances and moving our work forward and we

[1:15:34] Voice 2: hold ourselves to a stronger standard than maybe you guys or the community as far as our elders

[1:15:42] Voice 2: are concerned i don't walk in this room and speak on behalf of me you've heard me say that

[1:15:51] Voice 2: i'm speaking in the direction that my elders my council have directed me so i don't have

[1:16:02] Voice 2: an agenda the agenda that is put forward is from our community from our elders

[1:16:11] Voice 2: and the integrity of how i speak is the integrity of my grandparents who raised me

[1:16:19] Voice 2: so i don't say things haphazardly or in a way that will hurt people i always try and honor

[1:16:30] Voice 2: my grandparents and our elders and i want to say that i'm grateful that you're including us

[1:16:38] Voice 2: in a document that we haven't always been looked at and i really want to reassure the community

[1:16:47] Voice 2: community that we hold ourselves to a high standard not just haphazardly doing work

[1:16:58] Voice 2: i walk in this room with my grandparents in mind because my grandma always said be careful what you

[1:17:09] Voice 2: do honey she says they won't talk about you they'll talk about us and the way you love me is

[1:17:17] Voice 2: I just want to say thank you for honoring us and including us in a document ICP is a topic of

[1:17:36] Voice 2: conversation and I don't take it in opposition and I feel like it shouldn't be taken in opposition

[1:17:46] Voice 2: position for you guys as well i take it as concern and want to hear what that is and how we best work

[1:17:56] Voice 2: together to be able to move forward and be able to move all our work forward not just one two not

[1:18:05] Voice 2: just one family not just our community but together as one because that's what we're taught

[1:18:12] Voice 2: So when I see these amendments to the document, I look at it with pride that we're finally being included in a document that we, in documents that we've been removed from, not by choice, they're decisions that were made for us, decisions that people thought we couldn't make for ourselves.

[1:18:42] Voice 2: so when we are included in the documents i appreciate that i honor that and i'll work

[1:18:56] Voice 2: with people that are willing to work with me and i say to all of you at the table i say to the

[1:19:05] Voice 2: community help us help you help us and being able to move forward move all our agendas forward

[1:19:14] Voice 2: We call it Natamat Chwaluwen, working as one with one heart, one mind, our souls, for all of us.

[1:19:24] Voice 2: So I want to thank you for being strong enough to stand up and put something in a document when that's not always the case.

[1:19:36] Voice 2: When I'm meeting with the federal government, the ministers and even the prime minister

[1:19:42] Voice 2: and saying that for far too long you've heard us say our concerns and now that we're starting to

[1:19:53] Voice 2: gain some movement forward and being able to move our initiatives forward by creating the allies

[1:20:01] Voice 2: within our communities within our cities within our towns within the province by creating those

[1:20:09] Voice 2: those allies. It's not an easy job for you guys. I know that. And I say that to the feds.

[1:20:17] Voice 2: Sometimes you're the only one in the room that is making the noise. And I can't say

[1:20:26] Voice 2: that it doesn't go unnoticed. We appreciate it. We appreciate the voice when we've never had one.

[1:20:36] Voice 2: we appreciate being included in a document when we've never been there it's taken injunctions

[1:20:47] Voice 2: and law courts and that to be able to be included this is the foundation of drift

[1:20:56] Voice 2: and reconciliation i don't take it as um opposition at all i hear your concern

[1:21:07] Voice 2: I hear you, and I want to reassure you guys, we hold ourselves to an even higher standard.

[1:21:15] Voice 2: Our elders and our grandparents told us that higher standard.

[1:21:22] Voice 2: So if we were to do anything that goes against what concerns our communities as a whole, we would have to answer to them.

[1:21:33] Voice 2: i just want to say i'm grateful i'm thankful i know your jobs aren't easy and i want to say my

[1:21:42] Voice 2: hands are up to you okay so i do have a couple speakers on the list and uh just to remind that

[1:21:56] Voice 2: we do have a public hearing coming up so this is the community information meeting so this is the

[1:22:02] Voice 2: time for questions if you have statements that are more applicable to the public hearing then

[1:22:07] Voice 2: maybe we can hold them for that so i have jennifer next um i'm finding this very difficult to know

[1:22:21] Voice 2: what to say because um i know i'm supposed to be addressing you but i also want to address you

[1:22:28] Voice 2: and to say that my comments are not intended in any way to be negative um and i'm i'm very sorry

[1:22:39] Voice 2: if that's how you heard them it is not my intention at all i am a full supporter of

[1:22:46] Voice 2: reconciliation initiatives there is so much to be done and there are so many compensations to be

[1:22:54] Voice 2: made and i recognize that with with all my heart my only reason for speaking is because of the the

[1:23:05] Voice 2: the greater resource i guess that water represents to all of us no matter what the color of our skin

[1:23:12] Voice 2: might be and i'm unable to understand from the trust council i'll put this to you how the

[1:23:22] Voice 2: the exemption will actually benefit our First Nations neighbors.

[1:23:27] Voice 2: I don't understand that.

[1:23:29] Voice 2: I would think that an added level of protection on land

[1:23:34] Voice 2: that is identified as a critical recharge area,

[1:23:39] Voice 2: no matter who the owner is,

[1:23:42] Voice 2: is to the benefit of that landowner and their neighbors,

[1:23:46] Voice 2: whoever they may be.

[1:23:47] Voice 2: So that's the only reason I'm speaking to this,

[1:23:50] Voice 2: Because if I saw it as having a real benefit to First Nations, I would be fully in favor of that.

[1:23:59] Voice 2: But at least from what I understand now, I can't see that benefit.

[1:24:05] Voice 2: And so I'll just leave it at that.

[1:24:07] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:24:11] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:24:12] Voice 2: And then I have Stephen.

[1:24:15] Thank you, Cheryl.

[1:24:18] Ben, thank you very much for that information.

[1:24:21] I hope it was awesome.

[1:24:24] But the bill on

[1:24:26] Voice 2: what Art was mentioning, my very faulty arithmetic tells me that there are now exemptions for 37 parcels of land when you include all of the exemptions that have been proposed.

[1:24:53] Voice 2: that

[1:24:54] Voice 2: so my question is

[1:24:58] Voice 2: with the exemptions for

[1:25:00] Voice 2: PFML, First Nations

[1:25:02] Voice 2: etc etc etc

[1:25:04] Voice 2: are these

[1:25:06] bylaws

[1:25:07] Voice 2: still

[1:25:08] Voice 2: going to be viable

[1:25:10] and achieve

[1:25:12] their goal

[1:25:14] Voice 2: I think William I appreciate

[1:25:16] Voice 2: your comments and where you're coming from

[1:25:19] Voice 2: but

[1:25:20] I guess I'm looking for some

[1:25:23] assurance that these bylaws

[1:25:26] Voice 2: are going to achieve something if you exempt more than half of the

[1:25:33] Voice 2: parcels from the bylaws what

[1:25:38] Voice 5: do you get in the end do

[1:25:47] Voice 2: the chair i'm not going to respond to all that

[1:25:51] Voice 2: and i'm also going to try to decipher my professional opinion for my personal ones so

[1:26:00] Voice 2: So technically, over 120 parcels have already been exempted from my original approach,

[1:26:16] Voice 2: well, the original options provided to the Local Trust Committee,

[1:26:20] Voice 2: looking at parcel options down to two hectare parcels being included,

[1:26:25] Voice 2: which would have been 182 parcels affected, covering 87% of the critical recharging.

[1:26:32] Voice 2: The local trust committee chose 10 hectare which is 62 parcels that cover 66% of the

[1:26:43] Voice 2: critical area, critical aqua recharge area protected, of course most of those parcels

[1:26:49] Voice 2: are in the central and north part of the island and not in the south where there's the need

[1:26:55] Voice 2: to protect recharge.

[1:26:57] Voice 2: charge for a development permanent area there's of course an administrative burden there's also

[1:27:05] Voice 2: just the effectiveness of looking at at at what the elements of the development permanent area

[1:27:16] Voice 2: can do right so if someone's going to develop on a two hectare parcel is it really worth it to

[1:27:25] Voice 2: do a professional geoscientist part of that of course not and i agree with with the local trust

[1:27:32] Voice 2: committee the 10 hectare is probably the good spot um the the bylaw in isolation or the sorry

[1:27:42] Voice 2: the development permanent area isolation is is not as effective as the bylaw or the development

[1:27:50] Voice 2: permanent area with an education of what critical aqua recharge area is and you know and also

[1:28:03] Voice 2: it's not a one-way street either it's it's the community understanding what how the community

[1:28:11] Voice 2: has been protecting these places how traditional land use or land use practices have been since

[1:28:19] Voice 2: time memorial protected and in in those locations where there is critical act for recharge but they

[1:28:29] Voice 2: shine through the development brain area because they're exempted well then that's where the

[1:28:34] Voice 2: education kicks in that's when you look to land use practices that have been established over

[1:28:41] Voice 2: long periods of time protecting and stewarding the horse um you know we're like with you i i i really

[1:28:53] Voice 2: um am honored and benefited by the discussion around this exemption p

[1:29:00] Voice 2: because for the few parcels is actually going to be exempted we're having this amazing conversation

[1:29:09] Voice 2: And I think from it, we will start to learn on how we can share information to protect

[1:29:16] Voice 2: them.

[1:29:18] Voice 2: We really want to get to the heart of it.

[1:29:20] Voice 2: Let's look at parks and private managed forest lands and what's going on there.

[1:29:28] Voice 2: Because when you take those out, that's when you see the holes in the DPA.

[1:29:33] Voice 2: But we can't put those in the DPA.

[1:29:35] Voice 2: That's beyond the jurisdiction of the Wilderness Trust.

[1:29:38] Voice 2: so can we meet in the middle is is the private managed forest lands not the tpa but their

[1:29:46] Voice 2: partner in groundwater sustainability of course they have to or the whole thing falls so i like

[1:29:57] Voice 2: i knew like i had a feeling that

[1:30:00] Voice 2: like this is where this bylaw is going it's going to be an opportunity for the community to come

[1:30:05] Voice 2: together to discuss what it means to to mitigate the development of galliano island

[1:30:17] Voice 2: and and this is a small step towards that i'm not hung up on any of the parcels being

[1:30:29] Voice 2: included or dis-included in the development permit area i think it is would be not of a benefit to

[1:30:39] Voice 2: the community to not have some sort of robust education around this and i i see this on other

[1:30:48] Voice 2: development permit areas in the honest area where you have community well catchment areas you get

[1:30:56] Voice 2: these circles on the map around these critical community wells like well where do those circles

[1:31:02] Voice 2: come from who knows there's a report from 1980 just lose that corporate memory that people move

[1:31:10] Voice 2: on education goes away and you know i have my ideas what that looks like but it's just not me

[1:31:18] Voice 2: we need to have more consulted process we need to talk more about how do we educate

[1:31:24] Voice 2: educate each other about how to protect groundwater and you know maybe the development permit area

[1:31:32] Voice 2: was just my professional hint in this conversation with decision makers you know I'm a scientist I'm

[1:31:40] Voice 2: a groundwater scientist and no the development permit area does not cover the critical aqua

[1:31:46] Voice 2: recharge area we already exempted 100 parcels just by going to the 10 hectare but we agree

[1:31:52] Voice 2: that's what we have to do because there's an administrative burden we're taking so that

[1:31:59] Voice 2: that's part of land use planning. But we have our advocacy and we have our coordination

[1:32:08] Voice 2: with our interest groups and partners and First Nations. It's the other side of this.

[1:32:14] Voice 2: So if we just take this bylaw just as black and white, it's

[1:32:18] Voice 2: not going to do the thing.

[1:32:23] Voice 2: so i'll leave it and to be clear when we talk about parts that are exempt all of them would

[1:32:37] Voice 2: have been exempt without schedule p right there's only one that's that's bigger than the 10 actors

[1:32:44] Voice 2: so you know that's just sort of a clarification on

[1:32:53] Voice 2: I don't know if we can accept or not, right?

[1:32:59] Voice 2: Schedule P didn't accept, right?

[1:33:04] Voice 2: Schedule P is doing is making us have this conversation.

[1:33:15] Voice 2: Cormita, and then if there's no other questions,

[1:33:19] Voice 2: then we will move on to the public hearing section.

[1:33:23] Voice 2: I have to say this question is technical.

[1:33:26] Voice 2: It's about the system.

[1:33:28] Voice 2: When you talk about system,

[1:33:30] Voice 2: that is like also include what it was called the rain water attachment with the tanks yeah

[1:33:39] Voice 2: is that say captures and store water is not required to be connected to the well

[1:33:48] Voice 2: except the water much now i have seen them so many of these times

[1:34:13] Voice 2: So to be connected to your host system that that water needs to be potable and having

[1:34:22] Voice 2: 18 000 liters of water sitting in a tank that's just part of your potable water system is can be

[1:34:33] Voice 2: a risk right because you need to treat that water most people when they have their tanks connected

[1:34:39] Voice 2: to the system it goes from their raw water source either springs or creeks or their well into their

[1:34:45] Voice 2: raw water tank and then it gets treated into their house and used so that's part of the potable water

[1:34:52] Voice 2: system and in the water management areas and the critical care as we're saying

[1:34:58] Voice 2: what potable water storage is going to be a benefit. In other areas it may not

[1:35:05] Voice 2: be. I know where I live on Salisbury Island, I live on a well. I don't need 1800

[1:35:11] Voice 2: litres connected to my potable water system. Our family does not use that

[1:35:16] Voice 2: much but we do use that much water for gardening. So we can just have our

[1:35:23] Voice 2: our cistern sitting out next to our garden that either collects water naturally from rainfall or

[1:35:31] Voice 2: fill it and then it's used for other uses on the landscape not to the to our household needs

[1:35:54] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, our chair here is chair on Hornby Island.

[1:36:06] Voice 2: and there's those unconnected tanks everywhere and they do get filled they get filled by

[1:36:13] Voice 2: water providers they get filled by transferring water in the winter time from a well

[1:36:20] Voice 2: yeah i i would say that yeah okay there could be empty tanks around but it's likely not the case

[1:36:30] Voice 2: that they're built. So I think it's it is a benefit to not have the burden to give the

[1:36:44] Voice 2: option to the landowner to do what they want with their extra water storage as we've learned.

[1:36:53] Voice 2: Well I am sorry that this community information meeting should have been about water or the

[1:37:03] Voice 2: the silence in the study.

[1:37:05] Voice 2: I think I'm a political issue with the section piece.

[1:37:12] Voice 2: We are having many speeches,

[1:37:15] Voice 2: so we have to accept this.

[1:37:18] Voice 2: Mr. Margot, I am in the trans-conservative.

[1:37:24] Voice 2: You said, on Galliano, have asked that an exception

[1:37:28] Voice 2: be put into by law for those with the status quo,

[1:37:33] Voice 2: leaving in their traditional character.

[1:37:34] Voice 2: You've been saying, we've got the legal opinion, and we're going to a public hearing.

[1:37:42] Voice 2: Technically, we can do it. We're going to test the waters.

[1:37:47] Voice 2: So really, it's a political issue, because we are coming here to water, to go into water.

[1:37:55] Voice 2: We're going to test the waters.

[1:37:58] Voice 2: So you think that's why there's been this reaction?

[1:38:02] Voice 2: Because that would have to happen.

[1:38:04] Voice 2: I can understand well under the pressure you are. You are under pressure by the Penelope. You are under pressure by other people. I am an

[1:38:20] Voice 2: immigrant. I haven't come to Canada with any negative thinking about our nations.

[1:38:27] Voice 2: I am Latin American, I am a mixed race, so I am very used to mixed races, I have no feeling

[1:38:36] Voice 2: whatsoever about it.

[1:38:38] Voice 2: It's just the thing about the world.

[1:38:42] Voice 2: I think that you are as much courageous putting this exception B as not putting the exception

[1:38:52] Voice 2: B, because you are in these latest pressures.

[1:38:57] Voice 2: I have a question. Are there other groups of First Nations with traditional territory in Spallionari that also could be involved in this? Do you know that?

[1:39:19] Voice 5: other

[1:39:20] Voice 2: than the Penelope are other groups of First Nations that this is their traditional

[1:39:28] Voice 2: territory.

[1:39:29] Voice 2: Other groups?

[1:39:30] Voice 2: Yes.

[1:39:32] Voice 2: Yeah, other First Nations people who not only Penelope, this is their traditional territory.

[1:39:40] Voice 2: I think that I have it.

[1:39:41] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:39:41] Voice 5: Okay, they

[1:39:43] Voice 2: should have been consulted. The only

[1:39:48] Voice 2: people who are talking here are the medicals. You have to consider them first.

[1:39:54] Voice 2: They were consulted.

[1:39:58] Voice 2: Do you want to answer that, Kim?

[1:39:59] Voice 2: Yep, they were over 13, I believe the number is. It's in the staff report.

[1:40:03] Voice 2: So, when we consider that everybody will feel as the benefits with respect to the looking

[1:40:11] Voice 2: after the land and the water, we have to consider there are other 13 other nations that are

[1:40:20] Voice 2: proud to be exempt, no chance of benefits.

[1:40:25] Voice 2: Is it?

[1:40:26] Voice 2: No, you're confused.

[1:40:27] Voice 2: If there are 13 other First Nations that claim this as a traditional territory, do they have

[1:40:40] Voice 2: the right to be exempted?

[1:40:44] Voice 2: If they meet the exemption as stated, absolutely.

[1:40:48] Voice 2: Absolutely.

[1:41:25] Voice 2: it is nothing about questions not

[1:41:29] Voice 5: because of water because

[1:41:33] Voice 2: we all feel about water but if we don't

[1:41:36] Voice 2: okay i just want to take a moment to check in with staff because we're a bit behind on time

[1:41:53] Voice 2: and that is around the timing of the presentation from the regional district

[1:41:59] Voice 2: um how do we know how flexible those uh that presenter is going to be flexible yes okay

[1:42:09] Voice 2: sounds like we're on the same thing yes okay

[1:42:11] Voice 3: excellent well that's that's good to know okay

[1:42:14] Voice 2: just wanted to

[1:42:14] Voice 2: check in

[1:42:16] Voice 2: on that time okay so um yeah and i'm gonna come to stephen and then uh so

[1:42:25] Voice 2: i'd like us to focus on the question part that community information and less on statements

[1:42:30] Voice 2: that would be more appropriate in the public hearing department go ahead sir um i'm sure that

[1:42:36] Voice 2: that is much much earlier essential to the discussion that we've been having but why

[1:42:46] Voice 2: My exception would be if there was anything in the proposed bylaws that might affect a landowner's legitimate land use practices,

[1:43:01] Voice 2: Would not that land owner, whomever it is, be able to come to the

[1:43:10] Voice 3: LTC and request a variance in

[1:43:17] Voice 2: order to undertake certain practices, land use practices?

[1:43:22] Voice 2: So I'm just wondering what exemption P is supposed to

[1:43:29] Voice 3: protect, and

[1:43:31] Voice 2: the only rationale that I've heard is one that came up in the last LTC meeting, and I'm going to paraphrase here is, well, exemption P has been told because they were first.

[1:43:49] Voice 2: There's got to be a better reason other than they were first.

[1:43:58] Voice 2: I can take this to an illogical stretch by saying that if you adopt this particular element,

[1:44:10] Voice 2: the relationship with the land or the relationship with land over time,

[1:44:17] Voice 2: time, then are you not artificially creating a new paradigm whereby my neighbor, who might

[1:44:30] Voice 2: have bought a piece of property in the 1970s, doesn't have to obey as many bylaws as I do

[1:44:42] Voice 2: because i bought in the 1980s but my neighbor who bought in the 1990s has to obey more than i do

[1:44:53] Voice 2: if you base an exemption on relationship with the island and so exactly i can't i

[1:45:02] Voice 2: i i'm sorry i can't accept it there's got to be something more uh just to make sure

[1:45:14] Voice 2: so um you cannot you can't grant a variance for a development permit area the exemptions are what

[1:45:23] Voice 2: they are and this is a step forward the ltc is currently making for reconciliation period

[1:45:32] Voice 2: if the ltc wants to make a major move on reconciliation then do it as a major up front

[1:45:47] Voice 2: a proposal, something that would engage the whole island. Don't try to slip it in as part

[1:45:57] Voice 2: of a land use by-law. So I'm still looking for why. What does P achieve for land use?

[1:46:09] Voice 2: Is there anything in the by-law that are proposed that would prevent First Nations from using

[1:46:18] Voice 2: the land as any other land owners if there is i would gladly accept that but i haven't heard

[1:46:29] Voice 2: any rationale for including a class of land owner in a land use exemption

[1:46:44] Voice 2: Mr. Shelton.

[1:46:45] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:46:48] Voice 2: If I may, so chair, so Islands Trust passed their Reconciliation Action Plan in May 30th.

[1:46:58] Voice 2: I'm going to read it, it's just three statements.

[1:47:00] Voice 2: The Islands Trust Council acknowledges the lands and waters that encompass the Islands

[1:47:03] Voice 2: Trust area have been home to Indigenous Peoples since time immemorial and honors the rich

[1:47:07] Voice 2: history, stewardship and cultural heritage that embody this place we all call home.

[1:47:12] Voice 2: The Island Trust Council is committed to establishing and maintaining mutually

[1:47:15] Voice 2: respectful relationships between Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples.

[1:47:19] Voice 2: Island Trust states a commitment to reconciliation with understanding that this commitment is a

[1:47:23] Voice 2: long-term relationship-building and healing process. The Island Trust

[1:47:27] Voice 2: Council will strive to create opportunities for knowledge-sharing and understanding as people

[1:47:31] Voice 2: come together to preserve and protect the special nature of the islands within the Sailor Sea.

[1:47:36] Voice 2: This is just the opening statement to the rationale

[1:47:39] Voice 2: rationale for considering relationship building in all work the Islands Trust does. Building

[1:47:48] Voice 2: bylaws is the main thing we do and the courage that the Local Trust Committee has put forward

[1:47:58] Voice 2: including exemption P in this bylaw is opening this conversation and I don't think that there

[1:48:10] Voice 2: needs to be more rational but i think the rationale has to come from you know like the

[1:48:19] Voice 2: public hearing now we're not in the public hearing yet although i would like to move us there soon

[1:48:38] Voice 2: so more questions and i i i see a hand up over here so as staff our staff staff members here

[1:48:46] Voice 2: are they advocating uh supporting the intention we're advocating for reconciliation however then

[1:48:55] Voice 2: ltc may want to pursue that we support the efforts of the ltc and the reconciliation actions right

[1:49:04] Voice 2: you're saying that exemption p is part of that it's part of the bylaw in that discussion now

[1:49:15] Voice 2: is the bylaw of the staff my question would be my next question would be have staff

[1:49:21] Voice 2: and the trustees considered the possible uh ramifications of proceeding with uh that

[1:49:30] Voice 2: exemption given that the legal opinion states that would probably be held to be invalid if i may so

[1:49:38] Voice 2: um yes so if for whatever reason it is challenged legally that portion of the development permit

[1:49:44] Voice 2: area would be striped. So not the DPA entirely, that would still remain, just that exemption.

[1:49:53] Voice 2: Are the trustees prepared to bring on that kind of litigation?

[1:50:08] Voice 2: So I'll just speak for myself on that part, based on the legal opinion, and I'm going to paraphrase

[1:50:17] Voice 2: the words of the Honourable Jody Wraybult that I heard a couple of weeks ago,

[1:50:23] Voice 2: which is that the turtle does not stick out, his neck does not move forward.

[1:50:32] Voice 2: So it's possible that exemption could be challenged in court.

[1:50:38] Voice 2: And if that happens, we will see how that goes.

[1:50:42] Voice 2: We can't know, we can't foresee the outcome.

[1:50:45] Voice 2: come um i've been encouraged on a personal level um to be bold and to explore that um that courage

[1:50:56] Voice 2: to to move ahead it we don't know what the court you know we don't know if there will be a challenge

[1:51:02] Voice 2: we don't know what the outcome that is um but as as staff mentioned uh you know we do have um

[1:51:11] Voice 2: confidence that there's a severability in terms of the rest of the bylaw not

[1:51:16] Voice 2: not being in doubt and i've just turned trustees to see if you have anything to add

[1:51:21] Voice 2: and then i've got a list going here

[1:51:31] Voice 2: i think what i'm hearing not so much the follow-up on that point i mean i don't like the

[1:51:38] Voice 2: idea of putting forward a bylaw that is could be considered valid especially around something as

[1:51:44] Voice 2: important as what we're talking about today so i don't know why the bylaw that we're putting

[1:51:51] Voice 2: forward this exemption can't accomplish what we've said right i think the mechanics of the

[1:51:58] Voice 2: bylaw creates a giant loophole people can misuse and abuse that's the issue politics side of it

[1:52:07] Voice 2: everyone in this room agrees with what this reconciliation don't want that this whole

[1:52:12] Voice 2: community does wholeheartedly would support any judicious initiatives we all believe that we're

[1:52:21] Voice 2: all on the same side of this okay so how do we get there infp exactly as stated is open to

[1:52:32] Voice 2: misinterpretation i didn't know that it didn't apply to that applied to say i would know that

[1:52:36] Voice 2: that's not burdened what's written there like i've been working on this for two years and i

[1:52:41] Voice 2: have a misunderstanding of what that meant so we need to look at maybe amending it

[1:52:47] Voice 2: so that we can all everything we've heard here today to be accomplished in that so we can all

[1:52:53] Voice 2: it can be a win-win and i think you can do that together as a community i know it okay yeah go

[1:53:05] Voice 2: So I was the one who introduced the exemption, we haven't slipped it in anyways.

[1:53:12] Voice 2: This is, as trustees, the first document where we're able to offer reconciliation in a format

[1:53:24] Voice 2: that is a clear indication to First Nations that they belong in our documents.

[1:53:35] Voice 2: this is the first time

[1:53:38] Voice 2: business peoples have been used

[1:53:41] Voice 2: and mentioned in a bylaw

[1:53:47] Voice 2: it's

[1:53:47] Voice 2: going through my notes here

[1:53:51] Voice 2: it's why we have this discussion

[1:53:54] Voice 2: when we look at

[1:53:57] Voice 2: some of the other work we're doing

[1:53:59] Voice 2: we talk about colonization

[1:54:02] Voice 2: and the effects

[1:54:04] Voice 2: of colonization

[1:54:05] Voice 2: how do we get to that point where we're doing decolonization

[1:54:10] Voice 2: the first thing you do

[1:54:13] Voice 2: is you stop the colonization process

[1:54:15] Voice 2: process. You stop ignoring those peoples who've been on this land since time immemorial. It

[1:54:31] Voice 2: pains me that the Penelakut aren't sitting at this table for the drafting of this document,

[1:54:41] Voice 2: right? It pains me that they're not involved in the decision to approve this document.

[1:54:48] Voice 2: and it's no no please don't interrupt

[1:54:50] Voice 2: please do not interrupt thank you and so the process that

[1:54:58] Voice 2: we're stuck in right now doesn't allow that to happen we had this referral process where we sent

[1:55:06] Voice 2: letters out and hope to hear something back well today we heard something if there's two people

[1:55:17] Voice 2: that moved me today when they were speaking it's it's the chief pam jack of the penelagate nation

[1:55:24] Voice 2: and william talking about science meeting reconciliation science the the meeting of

[1:55:35] Voice 2: all of this stuff right if you look at the exemption and you realize that we would be

[1:55:45] Voice 2: be adding the water team to the Galeano water team, right?

[1:55:53] Voice 2: If you look at exactly what William is,

[1:55:58] Voice 2: this is an opportunity for education.

[1:56:03] Voice 2: So if we're gonna get past the colonization of Galeano,

[1:56:08] Voice 2: if we're going to move forward in a meaningful direction,

[1:56:12] Voice 2: this is the first opportunity we've had to do that.

[1:56:16] Voice 2: I'm not saying that other trustees in previous,

[1:56:19] Voice 2: is, I mean, this wasn't even our study. We have, we, this, this was put, you know, we

[1:56:25] Voice 2: accepted this when we became trustees. It's from previous trustees. But I think when you

[1:56:34] Voice 2: have an opportunity as trustees to, to look at reconciliation and look at what reconciliation

[1:56:42] Voice 2: really means, right? The inclusion of First Nations peoples in our document is what reconciliation

[1:56:55] Voice 2: reconciliation is about. It's the recognition that they are as important on this territory as we are, if not more important. If you go back to pre-contact, everything that was done to this island after pre-contact was done not by First Nations people, but done by us, right? Everything. If we had a Galiana that was pre-contact, we'd all be walking around thinking, this is the most magical place in the world. The fact that the Nelligat have a

[1:57:28] Voice 2: higher standard than we do of how to protect the land encourages me to keep this in the in the

[1:57:36] Voice 2: document it's not going to i mean everything below 10 hectares is exempt isn't that correct william

[1:57:47] Voice 2: right that would include basically everybody's property here right it's not that i'm married

[1:57:55] Voice 2: to this document i didn't draft this document but this document was the first opportunity

[1:58:02] Voice 2: have the Connecticut come to the table

[1:58:05] Voice 2: and talk to us so that we could listen to their concerns

[1:58:10] Voice 2: so we could listen to how they wanted the land to be treated. Instead of

[1:58:16] Voice 2: just saying, well, we should all be the same. We're not all the same.

[1:58:23] Voice 2: Some of us are colonizers. Some of us aren't.

[1:58:27] Voice 2: And we're trying to get to that point of

[1:58:34] Voice 2: decolonization. Whether we understand what that means or not.

[1:58:38] Voice 2: But the first step to that is to quit colonizing. Pull that from the document. It's still

[1:58:48] Voice 2: colonization. It's still telling, still us telling First Nations people what they should do when

[1:59:00] Voice 2: they weren't included in any way, in any document put forward by the Islands Trust since 1974,

[1:59:08] Voice 2: 74 or whenever it was drafted until the time it was put in this document that's the rationale

[1:59:24] Voice 2: okay i see some hands up and um as a member of my role as chair part of it is to keep us on

[1:59:31] Voice 2: track time wise we're well over our projected time here so i've i've got a couple of hands

[1:59:39] Voice 2: that I've noted here and and so I'm going to request that in respect of

[1:59:48] Voice 2: this being the community information portion of the meeting that you have

[1:59:52] Voice 2: questions not statements and that we're addressing something new and not

[1:59:59] Voice 2: repeating what

[2:00:00] Voice 2: we've already been through so that we can move along in a timely fashion so that being said I

[2:00:06] Voice 2: have Carmita, Sandy, Art and Ken and

[2:00:10] Voice 3: then I would like

[2:00:11] Voice 2: to conclude this portion we are overdue for

[2:00:15] Voice 2: a break as well which I think we all deserve and then I'd like us to get on into the public hearing

[2:00:20] Voice 2: in this section. So questions, please proceed. Do you agree with this statement that David Marlowe

[2:00:31] Voice 2: during the trans-country meeting is the director of the Shilatis and his coalition services?

[2:00:38] Voice 2: And it is both about the indigenous rights. David Marlowe, owners of these simple lands,

[2:00:46] Voice 2: you want to treat them equally, not the person.

[2:00:53] Voice 2: If the land use, the process,

[2:00:58] Voice 2: might be treated the same way.

[2:01:05] Voice 2: You, according to the exception plea,

[2:01:08] Voice 2: you wouldn't agree with Mr. Malmö

[2:01:10] Voice 2: and this is a person from the state.

[2:01:13] Voice 2: He was talking about,

[2:01:17] Voice 2: but that was what I'm talking about.

[2:01:19] Voice 2: So what do you think, Mr. Pedersen, is the question?

[2:01:27] Voice 2: Well, that's a principle in administrative fairness.

[2:01:35] Voice 2: It's a valid question.

[2:01:37] Voice 2: Certainly, this is new territory.

[2:01:42] Voice 2: It's what happens in that land use.

[2:01:44] Voice 2: It's not about the person, it's about the land.

[2:01:48] Voice 2: If not, you

[2:01:49] Voice 5: enter in a process of selection,

[2:01:51] Voice 2: the process of corruption because you choose one interaction and that's very dangerous.

[2:01:58] Voice 2: And that may be very well the basis of challenge to the bylaw, to the exemption, so we'll see.

[2:02:10] Voice 2: What do you think about what we've been talking about?

[2:02:15] Voice 2: Well, as Tim said, it's a new territory, but the comment on that, yeah, landowners, you know,

[2:02:30] Voice 2: but I think the water and land aren't separate. I think it's all part of one.

[2:02:35] Voice 2: We should, we know that, right? It's not separate. You can't, the water doesn't end at the end of the tunnel.

[2:02:43] Voice 2: right so i'm having a hard time with this discussion because it seems like

[2:02:48] Voice 2: politicizing something that is kind of a little bit administrative a little bit

[2:02:52] Voice 2: right is getting really kind of caught up in that we're going to solve reconciliation today

[2:02:59] Voice 2: we're having an amazing conversation but i think we should look at the actual

[2:03:07] Voice 2: the science report if we're getting caught up in what is so solved we hear that there's

[2:03:19] Voice 2: some misunderstandings around the exemption piece can you look at that we hear that

[2:03:24] Voice 2: you know all the

[2:03:26] Voice 2: other exemptions are about activities what is the activity exemption piece tell me it's ceremonial

[2:03:32] Voice 2: purposes land stewardship reforestation protecting um species great we can get behind that but it

[2:03:40] Voice 2: doesn't say that that's the problem it's a legitimate question

[2:03:54] Voice 2: every landowner should be treated equally

[2:04:00] Voice 2: Only the big, simple ones. We want to treat them equally. Not the person, the land use, the process.

[2:04:10] Voice 5: And we treat it the same way.

[2:04:14] Voice 2: Well, I mean, it's a fine

[2:04:17] Voice 2: statement. You should read the Canadian Charter, because it doesn't say that.

[2:04:23] Voice 2: There's a whole section in the Canadian Charter that First Nations people have rights on their lands that colonizers don't have.

[2:04:32] Voice 2: so let's if we're going to treat everybody what can we treat them everybody according to the

[2:04:37] Voice 2: canadian charter or according to i think according to the island trust okay i'm going to move us

[2:04:47] Voice 2: along i've got uh three more speakers on the list and then i'm going to move us to a break

[2:04:52] Voice 2: uh so sandy uh art and and please be succinct please ask a question that uh not a statement

[2:05:02] Voice 2: that needs to be in the public hearing part and uh and and relevant thank you okay so regardless of

[2:05:09] Voice 2: what happens to uh p in your decision making i just would wonder if the trustees would consider

[2:05:17] Voice 2: taking on an ocp review of modern policies to begin with that would include the penelaket and

[2:05:25] Voice 2: and other First Nations on the island, so that, you know, we can all do it together.

[2:05:35] Voice 2: Yeah, absolutely.

[2:05:39] Voice 2: We're silent.

[2:05:40] Voice 2: If we can get our other project done.

[2:05:45] Voice 2: Fantastic.

[2:05:47] Voice 2: I'm wondering, Trustee Mabry,

[2:05:50] Voice 3: you talked about, you know, the first time we're including First Nations people in the document, in a bylaw.

[2:05:57] Voice 3: Actually, this exemption key has the effect of

[2:06:02] Voice 2: excluding them from the scope of the document.

[2:06:05] Voice 2: I'm wondering why, when we're concerned about

[2:06:11] Voice 3: reconciliation and including First Nations in the work of the Irish Trust,

[2:06:21] Voice 2: Why did we not put in a provision in this bylaw that would provide a role for the Malacca water people to work with Islands Trust water people and supervise the development permits that would be applicable to everyone?

[2:06:43] Voice 2: If the Malacca water experts would be involved on a equal basis with the Islands Trust, that would be, it seems to me, an excellent way of moving forward.

[2:06:51] Voice 2: forth reconciliation rather than piecemeal

[2:06:54] Voice 3: with a simple lamb you know seven people

[2:06:58] Voice 2: i mean i can ask merit i mean the fact is that this was an opportunity that we had to

[2:07:13] Voice 2: undertake i mean the groundwater sustainability study came to us

[2:07:18] Voice 2: um and the fact is that by including the recognition of indigenous peoples in this

[2:07:27] Voice 2: groundwater sustainability study that's something that i haven't heard anybody speaking about in

[2:07:34] Voice 2: years past i mean yours your statement's great where was it before where was where was everybody's

[2:07:45] Voice 2: before right so here we have an opportunity we're we took advantage of the opportunity

[2:07:56] Voice 2: and was right the tortoise doesn't move before rick and leslie sticks his head up i mean i am

[2:08:07] Voice 2: all for a cooperative co-management agreement between the ltc and the penelagic club i'm all

[2:08:18] Voice 2: all for it. That's not what this is about. I'm for. Why not put it in an argument at

[2:08:25] Voice 2: the table? Why

[2:08:26] Voice 1: not put it in

[2:08:26] Voice 2: here at second and third reading? Why not put it in here

[2:08:30] Voice 2: at second and third reading this afternoon? Well, to do a co-management agreement with

[2:08:35] Voice 2: the Penelope. Okay, enough chatter, please. One speaker at a time. Thank you. I'm required

[2:08:43] Voice 2: than just what we're undertaking today.

[2:08:51] Voice 2: But this is still recognition.

[2:08:54] Voice 2: Make no mistake, this is still reconciliation, right?

[2:09:00] Voice 2: Whether a few people in this room,

[2:09:03] Voice 2: boy, they don't like sharing that stolen car,

[2:09:07] Voice 2: but here we are.

[2:09:10] Voice 2: So we're gonna see, we're gonna see at the end of this,

[2:09:13] Voice 2: this is actually the same thing I said at Trust Council.

[2:09:16] Voice 2: We're going to see at the end of this process

[2:09:18] Voice 2: where we're at with reconciliation right i get it i get that there's a bunch of people

[2:09:26] Voice 2: who don't want to share that's the whole part

[2:09:30] Voice 4: please

[2:09:30] Voice 2: stop please do not

[2:09:32] Voice 2: interrupt we're well overdue for a break here

[2:09:35] Voice 2: one speaker at a time

[2:09:37] Voice 2: one speaker at a time please

[2:09:42] Voice 2: excuse me do not interrupt stop

[2:09:46] Voice 1: interrupting please

[2:09:53] Voice 2: that's enough thank you got one more uh speaker and then we are going to take a break

[2:09:59] Voice 2: and hopefully hopefully ken you can also be sustained and hopefully it's a question and

[2:10:07] Voice 2: And we do have a public hearing, which is an opportunity for expressions of opinion rather than questions coming out.

[2:10:16] Voice 2: So, okay.

[2:10:17] Voice 5: Hopefully we have 20 minutes.

[2:10:23] Voice 2: Actually, this is a clarification question, Lisa.

[2:10:28] Voice 3: You stated that, you know, the mental hurting as a community.

[2:10:35] Voice 5: I'm already here.

[2:10:41] Voice 2: I would love to present, I've been working very hard on this, because

[2:10:46] Voice 4: I understand the

[2:10:48] Voice 2: principle.

[2:10:49] Voice 2: We share the principle quite a bit.

[2:10:50] Voice 2: We all do.

[2:10:51] Voice 2: So how do we make that into a bylaw, something that you can take to court, something that

[2:10:56] Voice 2: is challenged, your rights are still there, go stand behind you.

[2:11:00] Voice 2: all right so activities taken specifically for the preservation restoration and safeguarding

[2:11:07] Voice 2: of indigenous cultural heritage and archaeological sites including but not limited to alteration

[2:11:13] Voice 2: habitat restoration ceremonies are exempt from requirement development permit provided they are

[2:11:20] Voice 2: carried out in collaboration with or under guidance from appropriate first stations

[2:11:30] Voice 3: So

[2:11:31] Voice 2: you know you can't list all the stuff that I know every

[2:11:35] Voice 2: time an issue comes up then we

[2:11:38] Voice 2: try to fix it you know and in the resource I've been fishing wildlife piercing for too

[2:11:44] Voice 2: long so you know it's every time a little area has an issue like oh how can we fix that

[2:11:50] Voice 2: when we team up with every nation okay i'm

[2:12:02] Voice 3: going to call a recess uh let's come back at 3 25

[2:12:08] Voice 3: and then at that point we'll move into republic here thank you everyone

[2:32:10] Voice 2: okay i'm going to

[2:32:11] Voice 4: call the meeting please

[2:32:13] Voice 2: hey thank you all for rejoining us um we're going

[2:32:37] Voice 2: to move into the public hearing portion uh so i'll start off by saying this this uh public

[2:32:42] Voice 2: hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the local government act in order to consider

[2:32:48] Voice 2: the following proposed bylaws proposed bylaw number 283 cited as galliano island official

[2:32:56] Voice 2: Fish and Community Plan By-law Number 108, 1995,

[2:33:00] Voice 2: Amendment Number 1, 2022,

[2:33:04] Voice 2: and Proposed By-law Number 284,

[2:33:08] Voice 2: cited as Galliano Island Land Use By-law Number 127, 1999,

[2:33:14] Voice 2: Amendment Number 1, 2022.

[2:33:19] Voice 2: All persons who believe that their interest in property

[2:33:22] Voice 2: is affected by the proposed by-laws

[2:33:23] Voice 2: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[2:33:26] Voice 2: or to present written submissions respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaws

[2:33:32] Voice 2: those wishing to speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and

[2:33:36] Voice 2: address members of the local trust committee may if they wish ask questions of you following your

[2:33:44] Voice 2: presentation however the main function of the local trust committee members is to listen to

[2:33:49] Voice 2: the views of the public it is not the function of committee members to debate the merits of proposed

[2:33:54] Voice 2: proposed bylaws with individual citizens.

[2:33:57] Voice 2: Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[2:33:59] Voice 2: and none should feel discouraged

[2:34:01] Voice 2: from presenting his or her views.

[2:34:04] Voice 2: In considering the proposed bylaws,

[2:34:07] Voice 2: the Local Trust Committee has received documents

[2:34:08] Voice 2: which may influence its decision.

[2:34:10] Voice 2: Those documents are available for review

[2:34:13] Voice 2: during this hearing on our website

[2:34:15] Voice 2: and as indicated in the public hearing notice.

[2:34:18] Voice 2: Any person who wishes to present a written submission

[2:34:21] Voice 2: to the Local Trust Committee may do so

[2:34:23] Voice 2: and all written submissions must be received by the local trust committee before the close of this

[2:34:29] Voice 2: hearing your only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws is during this hearing as members

[2:34:36] Voice 2: of the local trust committee may not receive further submissions after the close of the hearing

[2:34:40] Voice 2: after this public hearing has concluded the local trust committee may without further notice make

[2:34:47] Voice 2: whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws that is the subject of the public

[2:34:53] Voice 2: to curate and so with that i'm going to turn it over to staff and uh i'll be yeah and i'll be

[2:35:01] Voice 2: doing my best to keep on top of a speakers list but we also do have a forum in case that gets a

[2:35:07] Voice 2: little long and we can use that if necessary last question yes so hypothetically um if we were to

[2:35:17] Voice 2: propose that and lisa brought up a good point prior to us coming out of community information

[2:35:24] Voice 2: meeting. If we were to propose that exemption be re-authored by staff, LTC and the

[2:35:36] Voice 2: Penelika, the wording that the Penelika agreed to, what I don't want to do is get

[2:35:46] Voice 2: in a position where we do that work, hypothetically, and then not be able to

[2:35:54] Voice 2: come back to public hearing because we go through the public hearing and we close it then we're done

[2:36:00] Voice 2: with the public and i don't

[2:36:01] Voice 4: think that would be

[2:36:02] Voice 2: fair so i guess this question is for for kim

[2:36:08] Voice 2: what's the process if we were to propose that that's a really good question so after the close

[2:36:13] Voice 2: of a public hearing the ltc cannot hear any new information uh the ltc can within itself

[2:36:20] Voice 2: deliberate over the bylaws and make some changes as long as it doesn't make any changes to the

[2:36:27] Voice 2: use of density which you wouldn't if you're making changes to the exemption p the ltc could do that

[2:36:33] Voice 2: without opening up the public hearing but if the ltc decides to further engage with penelakid or

[2:36:40] Voice 2: other community members or first nations that would then be deemed as new information and a

[2:36:48] Voice 2: a second public hearing would have to be had.

[2:36:52] Voice 2: So that would be, it's been done before.

[2:36:55] Voice 2: They're obviously administratively getting

[2:36:57] Voice 2: a public hearing together, it takes administrative time

[2:37:03] Voice 2: and there is a cost.

[2:37:04] Voice 2: We do have to do proper notification,

[2:37:07] Voice 2: put that in the newspaper.

[2:37:09] Voice 2: So there would be, I believe we have some room

[2:37:12] Voice 2: in the budget for this project we'd have to check,

[2:37:14] Voice 2: but there is also a cost to that,

[2:37:16] Voice 2: to holding a new public hearing and also the right to alcohol so something for ltc to consider thank

[2:37:23] Voice 2: you okay and i'm turning over to you oh thank you back

[2:37:32] Voice 2: to me um so i have um a script here

[2:37:36] Voice 2: that i have to read out to everybody uh a copy so a copy of the notice was advertised in two

[2:37:42] Voice 2: consecutive editions of the driftwood on september 25th and october 2nd of this year

[2:37:49] Voice 2: All notification requirements under the Local Government Act have been completed.

[2:37:55] Voice 2: There is a copy of the complete public hearing binder available during this public hearing.

[2:38:00] Voice 2: It's over there in the white binder, if anybody would like to take a look at it.

[2:38:05] Voice 2: And it's also located on the Islands Trust webpage, on the project's webpage.

[2:38:10] Voice 2: page the purpose of proposed bylaw 283 and 284 if adopted uh will admit for me the purpose the

[2:38:20] Voice 2: purpose the purpose of proposed bylaw 283 if adopted will amend the galliano island official

[2:38:26] Voice 2: community plan bylaw number 108 1995 by updating relevant groundwater policies and objectives

[2:38:33] Voice 2: replacing Schedule D called Water Resources with a new Schedule D called Groundwater Regions

[2:38:42] Voice 2: and replacing the Development Permit Area DPA-4, which is called the Elevated Groundwater Catchment,

[2:38:48] Voice 2: with a new Development Permit-4 called Groundwater Recharge Protection.

[2:38:54] Voice 2: And Proposed By-law No. 284 will amend the Galliano-Wyden Land Use By-law No. 127-1999

[2:39:02] Voice 2: by including new cistern requirements, updates to the subdivision proof of water regulations

[2:39:10] Voice 2: and also new definitions.

[2:39:12] Voice 2: The proposed bylaws were referred to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs,

[2:39:16] Voice 2: the Ministry of Forest, Lands and Natural Resource Operations, Water Protection,

[2:39:22] Voice 2: Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, Capital Regional District, Building Inspection,

[2:39:27] Voice 2: Islands Trust By-law Enforcement, Maine, Salt Spring, and Thetis Island Local Trust Committees for comment.

[2:39:35] Voice 2: It was also referred to Cowichan Tribes, Halalt First Nations, Lake Cowichan First Nations,

[2:39:44] Voice 2: Laiakson First Nations, Malahat First Nation, Musqueam Indian Band,

[2:39:50] Voice 2: and the Kwachin First Nation,

[2:39:52] Voice 2: Penelakut Tribe,

[2:39:54] Voice 2: Semienmu First Nation,

[2:39:57] Voice 2: Sinemak First Nation,

[2:39:59] Voice 2: Chimenas First Nation,

[2:40:01] Voice 2: Sarkland First Nation,

[2:40:03] Voice 2: Seau First Nation,

[2:40:04] Voice 2: Sawasdee First Nation,

[2:40:06] Voice 2: Seachem First Nation,

[2:40:08] Voice 2: Wissanuch Leadership Council for Common,

[2:40:10] Voice 2: as well as a First Nation society on Galliano

[2:40:15] Voice 2: and family members of the Jordan-Sin family.

[2:40:20] Voice 2: And to date, the LTC received two public submissions, which are also included in the public hearing

[2:40:28] Voice 2: binder and is included on the webpage.

[2:40:31] Voice 2: And I'll pass it back to you, Jack.

[2:40:33] Voice 2: Thank you.

[2:40:34] Voice 2: Okay, thank you.

[2:40:35] Voice 2: So, I don't think there's need to restate what I said earlier, so I'm going to look

[2:40:42] Voice 2: for a show of hands of people who would like to make a submission and remind everyone that

[2:40:49] Voice 2: uh written submissions can be accepted up until the close of the hearing and you could just

[2:40:57] Voice 2: put them up on the desk in front of uh of william if uh it need be question clarification i just

[2:41:03] Voice 2: asked a question about the information within the public hearing notice um it was a bit contradictory

[2:41:10] Voice 2: it said that written submissions will be accepted until 4 30 p.m october 7th which was yesterday

[2:41:18] Voice 2: And then at the bottom, it says no written or oral representations will be received after

[2:41:25] Voice 2: the conclusion of the public hearing.

[2:41:28] Voice 2: So there may well have been people wanting to submit a written submission that read the

[2:41:33] Voice 2: October 7 deadline.

[2:41:35] Voice 2: So I'm not quite sure why those two don't match.

[2:41:39] Voice 2: So the October 7 deadline is to ensure that it's included in the public hearing binders

[2:41:45] Voice 2: and is circulated to the LTC but that doesn't limit anybody from walking in today to bring a

[2:41:52] Voice 2: letter it just it's it's difficult for the LTC then to read that letter and take that information

[2:41:58] Voice 2: it's a great question thank you I have a similar question regarding a procedure for advertising

[2:42:05] Voice 2: both of these violence pertains specifically to galleon

[2:42:09] Voice 5: is that

[2:42:10] Voice 2: correct although the

[2:42:12] Voice 2: The advertisement for the public hearing, you say, was posted in the Driftwood.

[2:42:19] Voice 2: Well, the Driftwood is not a publication that Galliano people go to personally.

[2:42:27] Voice 2: So

[2:42:28] Voice 4: is there some

[2:42:29] Voice 2: kind of problem here that the community was not adequately informed?

[2:42:36] Voice 2: That's a really good question.

[2:42:38] Voice 2: And so the requirement is that for a public hearing notice to be placed in a periodical that is released at least once every two weeks.

[2:42:47] Voice 2: And because the active page is a periodical that only comes out once a month, it doesn't satisfy the public hearing notification.

[2:42:54] Voice 2: And so that's why all public hearing notices, and you'll see that for temporary use permit notices, they're included in the active page.

[2:43:05] Voice 2: Okay, well, does not present a problem.

[2:43:09] Voice 2: that the Gallinama community, because of circumstance, was not adequately informed.

[2:43:15] Voice 2: It satisfies the requirements of the legislation and it's also posted to the community information report.

[2:43:25] Voice 5: No,

[2:43:27] Voice 2: it wasn't in the application.

[2:43:32] Voice 2: It was the driftwood on September 25th and October 2nd.

[2:43:37] Voice 2: is the active page and it only comes out once a month so it doesn't satisfy the legislative

[2:43:42] Voice 2: requirements right but in the past uh the active page has been used to back up and sell them you

[2:43:49] Voice 2: can't even buy them so ridiculous but the average page i remember for the the crystal mountain um

[2:44:00] Voice 2: rezoning it was it appeared in the uh in the active page i don't know why they

[2:44:06] Voice 2: can't put it

[2:44:06] Voice 2: in the active page as an adjunct like it's ridiculous there may be an issue here our

[2:44:16] Voice 2: standing resolution 2010 uh 1.5 says the galleon local trust committee will advertise public hearing

[2:44:24] Voice 2: notices in the active page in addition to legally required advertising it might have been a timing

[2:44:30] Voice 2: issue and i didn't mention my trustee report because i seemed to be familiar my oversight

[2:44:38] Voice 2: that's in our standing resolution so i'm not sure should we have been in there so it's a standing

[2:44:43] Voice 2: resolution by the ltc so um the notice met the legislative requirements but and i would imagine

[2:44:53] Voice 2: that it was due to timing because the you have to get the notice in uh 15th before that's yeah

[2:45:00] Voice 2: Yeah, that's what I mean.

[2:45:02] Voice 2: Well, on the basis of that,

[2:45:05] Voice 2: can't that be a major consideration

[2:45:07] Voice 2: if it goes forward in the hearing?

[2:45:09] Voice 2: It met the legislative

[2:45:10] Voice 2: requirements.

[2:45:12] Voice 2: But it didn't meet the Galliano

[2:45:14] Voice 2: requirements.

[2:45:17] Voice 2: It did. It's BS,

[2:45:20] Voice 2: really.

[2:45:23] Voice 5: It's provincial legislation.

[2:45:26] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:45:28] Voice 2: So,

[2:45:30] Voice 2: I'm going to go to

[2:45:32] Voice 2: one speaker so far on the list.

[2:45:34] Voice 2: i'll look and see if there's other speakers but go ahead uh carmina and

[2:45:39] Voice 2: i think to postpone they have it here i don't know what what his dream is what

[2:45:49] Voice 2: mr maverly proposed to talk about what has happened i don't know because if we have the

[2:45:57] Voice 2: public hearing now they will not be able to have more information we see from the panel

[2:46:05] Voice 2: what do we do are you going to have the public and after it was not able to have any more

[2:46:13] Voice 2: information i

[2:46:22] Voice 5: am asking people this

[2:46:24] Voice 2: is a time to ask questions as part of the public hearing

[2:46:27] Voice 2: what the

[2:46:28] Voice 2: trustees must say that they will need to if they need to have more information i want

[2:46:34] Voice 2: to know how it's finished that conversation

[2:46:38] Voice 5: but

[2:46:41] Voice 2: if after the current year if there is any change in the laws because you are

[2:46:49] Voice 2: sending to the staff or to the vanilla you could receive the information we would need to

[2:46:57] Voice 2: schedule an additional public hearing as much as

[2:47:00] Voice 2: possible to have an additional

[2:47:03] Voice 2: If the LTC received new information, then yes, the LTC will have to hold a new public hearing.

[2:47:09] Voice 2: Thank you. That I couldn't understand. I couldn't understand it.

[2:47:16] Voice 5: I have here, I read in the standard of conduct of the Island Trust,

[2:47:26] Voice 2: and I think it should be considered in relation of the mother.

[2:47:32] Voice 2: If there is not the problem, it's the standard of conduct.

[2:47:37] Voice 2: Is this relevant to the matter before us?

[2:47:40] Voice 2: Yes, it is.

[2:47:41] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:47:41] Voice 2: It is because it will respect a request of Clause B.

[2:47:49] Voice 2: In the standard of conduct, I will give you a quote.

[2:47:54] Voice 2: It says, personal interest, it could be a problem.

[2:48:00] Voice 2: And it says, of all situations related to their duties, which could result in securing a special privilege, favor, or exception for themselves or any other class.

[2:48:17] Voice 2: 3.4. Declare their interest, direct or indirect, or the known interest of any flow relative in any property that is subject to an application to the island class to the executive order.

[2:48:32] Voice 2: 3.2. Avoid loving activities toward any trans body for personal interests or profits or for any other purpose.

[2:48:43] Voice 2: I think it's relevant, as Dr. Steve Maverick has said, that family, relatives, friends,

[2:49:03] Voice 2: So I think it should be seen if the standard of conduct applies to this.

[2:49:11] Voice 2: So I'll just speak briefly to that.

[2:49:13] Voice 2: And that is to say that it is up to an individual trustee to make that determination for themselves

[2:49:20] Voice 2: themselves and to make a declaration if they if they deem necessary it's not up to the local trust

[2:49:27] Voice 2: committee to make that determination thank you I think people could write about it thank you for

[2:49:37] Voice 2: that and um and so that your remarks concluded there okay I will

[2:49:48] Voice 3: look for other hands uh Jennifer

[2:49:50] Voice 3: just

[2:49:50] Voice 2: very briefly there was some discussion at the break about um what could perhaps be added to

[2:49:59] Voice 2: the exemption in consultation with um the penelope and and any other groups that would be

[2:50:07] Voice 2: impacted by that and i think that's a very good idea in that it would um i think as as art said

[2:50:15] Voice 2: right now it's inclusion by exclusion in in terms of clause p and i think if there was

[2:50:22] Voice 2: more information added to that clause it would be in fact much more inclusive and much more

[2:50:30] Voice 2: supported supportive of reconciliation which is something i i think it's not helpful to um to

[2:50:40] Voice 2: to try and define the conversation around this

[2:50:46] Voice 2: as those who are in favor of reconciliation

[2:50:50] Voice 2: and those who are not,

[2:50:51] Voice 2: because I don't know that there's anyone in this room

[2:50:54] Voice 2: who is not wholeheartedly in favor of reconciliation.

[2:50:58] Voice 2: And in fact, there's so much more

[2:51:00] Voice 2: that the trust could be doing than this,

[2:51:04] Voice 2: you know, pathetic little exemption

[2:51:08] Voice 2: to support reconciliation.

[2:51:09] Voice 2: And many of us have been saying that for a very long time.

[2:51:13] Voice 2: So I am not at all happy to hear it defined in that context.

[2:51:19] Voice 2: And I think that there's much more that could be done to make this a very real, inclusive recognition of the undeniable importance and claim that First Nations have to Galliana.

[2:51:41] Voice 2: Okay, thank you. Stephen?

[2:51:43] Voice 2: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[2:51:46] Voice 2: I would support the adoption of these two guidelines wholeheartedly

[2:51:53] Voice 2: if the trustees could find a way to replace Exemption P

[2:51:59] Voice 2: with an exemption based on defining traditional First Nations uses and practices

[2:52:07] and the exact wording of that to be

[2:52:11] Voice 2: developed by the LTC in collaboration with the Benelicat

[2:52:16] Voice 2: and any other first nations who have interest.

[2:52:20] Voice 2: That would take us back to one of the principles of that old trustees and old staff going back

[2:52:30] Voice 2: many years who have reiterated during each and every application is that the merits of any

[2:52:39] Voice 2: proposal are to be decided upon land use and not the land user take us back to a basic tenant of

[2:52:48] Voice 2: our official community plan and i think it would go much much further uh of course down the road

[2:52:59] Voice 2: to reconciliation than just a blanket exemption based on class abuser and if that is to happen

[2:53:13] and it takes another public meeting or even a community meeting and public meeting to make

[2:53:21] sure that people on the island understand what is going on i think the

[2:53:26] Voice 2: minimal expense that has been

[2:53:28] Voice 2: and described is well worth it okay thank you for that um so look for any other hands

[2:53:44] Voice 2: thanks uh chair uh i had something uh prepared to hand in but once the uh given the nature of the

[2:53:54] Voice 2: cim new information came to me and so i'm gonna sort of fling in a bit a little bit of that um

[2:54:02] Voice 2: Well, I did have a written submission, I mean, yeah, I support the, as Steve said, I support the objectives of the LTC's groundwater sustainability project and the groundwater recharge area bylaws, although given what Specialist Shoba said, I'm wondering just how effective they will be given the breadth of exemptions, not only exemption P is a relatively minor exemption,

[2:54:36] Voice 2: given the private

[2:54:38] Voice 3: forest managed forest land exemption

[2:54:43] Voice 3: and exemption for parks and other covenant holders.

[2:54:48] Voice 2: That is something that this local trust committee

[2:54:54] Voice 2: should take up, which is,

[2:54:55] Voice 2: and trust council should be keeping up as well

[2:54:57] Voice 2: as the old campaign to exempt the island's trust

[2:55:01] Voice 2: from the private managed forest land act

[2:55:04] Voice 2: from relevant sections of that so that the local trust committee would have more ability

[2:55:12] Voice 2: to preserve and protect natural resources on Galliano Island and the trust on other

[2:55:20] Voice 2: islands.

[2:55:22] Voice 2: But by and large, I do support the, this was a major project of the previous trustees.

[2:55:29] Voice 2: It was actually a trust-wide project on other islands with groundwater sustainability work.

[2:55:38] Voice 2: And it was, you know, the result are these two bylaws.

[2:55:45] Voice 2: But I do have serious concerns about exemption P.

[2:55:50] Voice 2: And I think it would be, you know, declaring that the requirements for a development permit

[2:55:56] Voice 2: would not apply to a specific group of landowners

[2:55:59] Voice 2: while they would apply to all other landowners.

[2:56:05] Voice 2: This landowners who would not be required to apply

[2:56:09] Voice 2: for a development permit before carrying out

[2:56:12] Voice 2: certain land uses potentially affecting the health

[2:56:16] Voice 2: of groundwater recharge and therefore the supply

[2:56:19] Voice 2: of groundwater while other landowners owning land

[2:56:22] Voice 2: in a groundwater recharge area would not be required

[2:56:26] Voice 2: to apply for a permit that this would be very bad law and very bad land use planning you know what's

[2:56:33] Voice 2: next a bylaw that exempts certain people from obtaining crd building permits while others

[2:56:39] Voice 2: still have to get them maybe that's the intent here of the president as the legal opinion

[2:56:46] Voice 2: requested by the ltc says though well the ltc says that this exemption would likely be ruled

[2:56:52] Voice 2: invalid in court so why would the LTC risk expensive litigation for a provision that's

[2:56:59] Voice 2: likely to fail you know this groundwater recharge sustainability project went through lengthy years

[2:57:06] Voice 2: long process it involved groundwater scientists planners trustees members of the public and they're

[2:57:13] Voice 2: designed to ensure that the supply of fresh water is assured for all landowners and residents of

[2:57:18] Voice 2: of Galliano, no matter who they are.

[2:57:20] Voice 2: Because everybody on Galliano has an interest

[2:57:22] Voice 2: in ensuring these regulations

[2:57:24] Voice 2: protect our fresh water supplies.

[2:57:26] Voice 2: And it just doesn't make any sense

[2:57:28] Voice 2: to exclude a specific group of individuals

[2:57:30] Voice 2: from measures designed to protect this resource

[2:57:33] Voice 2: for everybody.

[2:57:34] Voice 2: And I don't think you'll find a by-law anywhere in Canada

[2:57:36] Voice 2: that does this kind of thing.

[2:57:40] Voice 2: As I guess you're supposedly promoting reconciliation

[2:57:44] Voice 2: with indigenous people, this one would,

[2:57:47] Voice 2: but I see it as being kind of empty

[2:57:49] Voice 2: because there are very few Indigenous people on Delaware

[2:57:53] Voice 2: who qualify for this option for the benefit.

[2:57:57] Voice 2: And it is kind of inclusion by exclusion.

[2:58:03] Voice 2: My understanding is that Indigenous rights

[2:58:06] Voice 2: under the Canadian Constitution are not individual rights.

[2:58:10] Voice 2: I stand corrected on that.

[2:58:11] Voice 2: I stand to be corrected on this.

[2:58:14] Voice 2: They're not individual rights.

[2:58:15] Voice 2: They don't

[2:58:15] Voice 2: involve your right to do what you want

[2:58:18] Voice 2: on your on your fee

[2:58:19] Voice 3: simple uh

[2:58:21] Voice 2: property uh it's the indigenous rights are communal rights

[2:58:28] Voice 2: the collective rights held through association with indigenous tribes

[2:58:33] Voice 2: or nations and i believe there are much more effective measures that the lgc could take

[2:58:40] Voice 2: to reflect under and encourage and facilitate reconciliation with indigenous residents

[2:58:45] Voice 2: and with our neighbors and with the delicate tribe.

[2:58:48] Voice 2: For one thing, this bylaw, as we discussed in the CIM,

[2:58:55] Voice 2: can raise the point that you do have experts on water.

[2:59:00] Voice 2: Some of them are probably in this room.

[2:59:04] Voice 2: And there's no reason why this bylaw,

[2:59:08] Voice 2: if we really are concerned about reconciliation,

[2:59:10] Voice 2: taking a step forward, instead of exemption P,

[2:59:17] Voice 2: The bylaw can be rewritten to ensure that the Penelope water

[2:59:22] Voice 3: experts are given a co-management role

[2:59:28] Voice 2: in overseeing the management of development permits under the groundwater sustainability by all these bylaws and any other business resulting under these bylaws.

[2:59:42] Voice 2: That would be a huge step forward for reconciliation.

[2:59:45] Voice 2: That would set a wonderful precedent for co-management.

[2:59:48] Voice 2: between the Manila tribe and the Islands Trust.

[2:59:53] Voice 2: There are other things that could be done as part of a, as for reconciliation.

[3:00:00] Voice 2: If you're really serious about doing this, the LTC should make it be known that as part of any rezoning process on Forest 1 land, involving the exchange of land in return for higher density, that the exchange of land must be with the Penelope tribe, as is being contemplated with the proposed rezonings of the DL District Laws 85 and 86,

[3:00:28] Voice 2: or with other Coast Salish nations who include Galliano in their traditional territories.

[3:00:34] Voice 2: Second, the LTC and the Islands Trust should lobby the provincial government

[3:00:38] Voice 2: and launch a campaign with the provincial government

[3:00:42] Voice 2: for them to transfer crown land to the Manila tribe,

[3:00:46] Voice 2: particularly District Law 87,

[3:00:49] Voice 2: which would give back to Indigenous people a large swath of land

[3:00:53] Voice 2: the north end of

[3:00:55] Voice 2: the large part of their traditional territory at the north end of Galliana.

[3:01:02] Voice 3: This isn't a comprehensive list of what could be done for reconciliation, but the third

[3:01:06] Voice 3: thing I would say is that the LTC should encourage and where possible

[3:01:10] Voice 2: require landowners and

[3:01:12] Voice 2: conservation groups to develop coal management protocols with the Penelka and local Indigenous

[3:01:19] Voice 2: Indigenous families to increase Indigenous people's access to their traditional lands.

[3:01:24] Voice 2: There's lots of

[3:01:25] Voice 2: things that we can do for reconciliation and I agree that everybody

[3:01:29] Voice 2: in this room wants to do it, come from different perspectives I guess, but I would urge, you

[3:01:39] Voice 2: know, I'm hearing that there's some interest in rewriting Exemption P. I hope that the

[3:01:46] Voice 2: The rewriting process goes beyond exemption P

[3:01:49] Voice 2: and includes a wider kind of co-management regime

[3:01:52] Voice 2: for managing water resources,

[3:01:55] Voice 2: front water and filling it up.

[3:01:56] Voice 2: Thank you.

[3:02:00] Voice 2: Okay, so I'll look for any other speakers.

[3:02:09] Voice 2: Not seeing any.

[3:02:11] Voice 2: So I'll ask once for any more speakers.

[3:02:18] Voice 2: I'm going to ask a second time

[3:02:19] Voice 2: if there's any more speakers.

[3:02:24] Voice 2: and I'm going to ask a third time if there's any more speakers okay so I'm

[3:02:48] Voice 2: gonna ask once if there's any more speakers I'm gonna ask a second time if

[3:02:54] Voice 2: if there's any more speakers.

[3:02:57] Voice 2: And I'm gonna ask a third time

[3:02:59] Voice 2: if there's any more speakers.

[3:03:01] Voice 2: Before you close the hearing, Mr. Chairman.

[3:03:03] Voice 2: Yes.

[3:03:04] Voice 2: And I thought I heard Trustee Maverly talk about

[3:03:10] Voice 2: engaging with staff and Parralica to rewrite exemption P

[3:03:15] Voice 2: or do something different with the bylaws.

[3:03:18] Voice 2: Wouldn't you wanna do that

[3:03:19] Voice 2: before the public hearing is closed?

[3:03:24] Voice 2: I'm not sure technically how that works,

[3:03:26] Voice 2: but I think we have to close the public hearing before we get to look at the bylaws yeah I think

[3:03:33] Voice 2: that's the way it works and if that and if that is the case then once we've concluded this public

[3:03:39] Voice 2: hearing that work could be undertaken and then as stated we would have to schedule another public

[3:03:47] Voice 2: hearing so if that's where we're going that's what's going to have to happen and before I get

[3:03:56] Voice 2: there. I'll just mention, of course, if anyone has any written submissions they want to hand

[3:04:04] Voice 2: in before the end of the public hearing, we can stick them on the table in front of Mr.

[3:04:11] Voice 2: Schobel there. That'd be great. So I will ask if there are any more speakers. And I'll

[3:04:23] Voice 2: ask a second time if there are any more speakers. And I'll ask a third time if there's any more

[3:04:31] Voice 2: speakers i do not see any more speakers um so this time uh this is the i just mentioned the

[3:04:43] Voice 2: last opportunity to hand in a written submission and uh therefore i declare this hearing closed

[3:04:51] Voice 2: okay so that means then that we're gonna uh recall to order the regular meeting and at this time i

[3:05:05] Voice 2: like to invite um folks from the capital regional district rural housing program to come up and

[3:05:11] Voice 2: give their presentation and thank you for your patience and forbearance yes

[3:05:24] Voice 5: this

[3:06:10] Voice 2: is a transition

[3:06:11] Voice 2: so i don't know if people are keeping it shift gears here but we're going to shift the errors

[3:06:17] Voice 2: and um we're going to introduce a little bit about the crd's rural housing program

[3:06:21] Voice 2: program, which is a pilot program, and it's based on this situation we have on the islands

[3:06:34] Voice 2: where the housing crisis is impacting our islands, and the solutions to the housing

[3:06:45] Voice 2: crisis are not easily, are not easy to come by.

[3:06:54] Voice 2: The way affordable housing gets built in the cities is through an intervention of density

[3:07:04] Voice 2: that we can't accommodate on our small sensitive islands.

[3:07:07] Voice 2: And also, you know, there's not a lot of market development at all because of the nature of

[3:07:15] Voice 2: our islands.

[3:07:15] Voice 2: um so it's it's pretty hard to address the needs um that we see in our housing needs assessments

[3:07:22] Voice 2: um our islands have complicated governance um and um there's a higher cost to building on the

[3:07:30] Voice 2: islands um i think that this local trust committee is probably well familiar with the challenges but

[3:07:37] Voice 2: um there's uh kind of like the multi-family solutions that we're able to find millions

[3:07:44] Voice 2: millions and millions of dollars in other communities

[3:07:48] Voice 2: are really hard to achieve here.

[3:07:51] Voice 2: And so we're doing work.

[3:07:55] Voice 2: The Islands Trust has done work

[3:07:57] Voice 2: and brought you a housing toolkit

[3:07:59] Voice 2: with a lot of different ways land use bylaws

[3:08:02] Voice 2: can be amended to support new housing technologies.

[3:08:08] Voice 2: In the Sunnyvale Islands electoral area,

[3:08:11] Voice 2: area. We have developed a housing strategy. And I didn't even introduce myself. So sorry

[3:08:22] Voice 2: about that. I work for the Capital Regional District. I'm the manager of the

[3:08:28] Voice 2: Southern

[3:08:29] Voice 2: Ohio Electoral Area, which is a electoral area that includes Galliano, Maine, Saturna,

[3:08:36] Voice 2: at Pender in Maine.

[3:08:38] Voice 2: Salt Spring Island is a separate

[3:08:39] Voice 2: electoral area, and

[3:08:42] Voice 2: we're represented at the

[3:08:44] Voice 2: CRD board by an electoral

[3:08:46] Voice 2: area director. His name is

[3:08:47] Voice 2: Colbert, and

[3:08:50] Voice 2: there's also

[3:08:51] Voice 2: various commissions that help the regional

[3:08:54] Voice 2: district deliver the services, including

[3:08:56] Voice 2: one called the Community Economic

[3:08:58] Voice 2: Sustainability Commission,

[3:09:00] Voice 2: and that group has

[3:09:01] Voice 2: representation from

[3:09:03] Voice 2: one person from each of the islands,

[3:09:05] Voice 2: and potential for more representation.

[3:09:08] Voice 2: But over the last term and a half,

[3:09:12] Voice 2: they developed a housing strategy

[3:09:13] Voice 2: to try and support the CRD's ability

[3:09:18] Voice 2: to address housing in our islands.

[3:09:22] Voice 2: And the principles of the housing strategy

[3:09:26] Voice 2: is very high level,

[3:09:28] Voice 2: but the principles include

[3:09:31] Voice 2: recognizing rich cultural history,

[3:09:33] Voice 2: history of Indigenous people and recognizing that the rural islands and context requires

[3:09:42] Voice 2: an approach to affordable housing that preserves and protects in accordance with the Island's

[3:09:49] Voice 2: Trust mandate.

[3:09:50] Voice 2: And it looks at supporting a mix of housing options that meet needs across the housing

[3:09:54] Voice 2: spectrum and supporting purpose-built multi-family housing where you can, but also encouraging

[3:10:01] Voice 2: encouraging opportunities for affordable housing within existing settlement patterns and supporting

[3:10:08] Voice 2: islanders providing housing for islanders.

[3:10:10] Voice 2: So the main kind of, one of the main objectives of the housing strategy was to have the CRD

[3:10:20] Voice 2: create a rural housing program as a supplemental to the housing program that delivers across

[3:10:26] Voice 2: the 13 municipalities that make up the new portion of the CRU over in Saanich,

[3:10:30] Voice 2: Minnesota. And when I say support islanders providing housing for islanders, it's talking about what we

[3:10:39] Voice 2: call the secondary housing market where a homeowner might rent it to a tenant and not

[3:10:45] Voice 2: looking outside of the island communities necessarily for people to

[3:10:48] Voice 2: bring in new housing developments that, you know, trying to support the community

[3:10:54] Voice 2: to provide a greater diversity of housing for the community itself.

[3:11:01] Voice 2: And because of the multi-jurisdictional feature of our islands,

[3:11:05] Voice 2: being unincorporated, without municipal councils,

[3:11:08] Voice 2: being within the island's trust area, having the island as a strong role,

[3:11:13] Voice 2: there's a recommendation in the housing strategy to have a whole government approach,

[3:11:17] Voice 2: so where we all can work together.

[3:11:19] Voice 2: And that's one of the reasons I'm keeping you time to time to talk to you.

[3:11:25] Voice 2: So we're successful in getting the CRD board to stick its toe in the water with a rural housing program.

[3:11:34] Voice 2: And so we have a pilot project that's proposed for 2025 where we're just really like very small baby steps that I'm going to tell you about

[3:11:44] Voice 2: to having the CRD have the organizational capacity to address housing

[3:11:51] Voice 2: that's suited to kind of the rural context, especially on our islands.

[3:11:56] Voice 2: And so it's not a strategy. Rural housing is a program. It's about implementation. It's about delivering service.

[3:12:05] Voice 2: And it's looking for rural scale, to fund rural scale initiatives.

[3:12:10] Voice 2: And we've been able to strike a number of different partnerships, including an important one with the Severnville Funnelist Tourism Partnership.

[3:12:18] Voice 2: So this is the society that receives the MRDT tax.

[3:12:24] Voice 2: So this is the accommodation tax that Airbnb and BRBO owners can charge.

[3:12:29] Voice 2: It's a 2% tax that gets charged if you book online.

[3:12:35] Voice 2: And the province has designated this group, the Southern Newfoundlands Tourism Partnership,

[3:12:41] Voice 2: as the organization to receive that funding in their mandate.

[3:12:45] Voice 2: state. It's a desire to support affordable housing, specifically workforce housing, but

[3:12:50] Voice 2: they've been more general about it. And they don't do housing. They actually market the

[3:12:56] Voice 2: islands and sustainable tourism. So they've made a partnership with us to allocate some

[3:13:02] Voice 2: funding towards a coordinator to help us do a rural housing program. So that's kind of

[3:13:07] Voice 2: like the first external funding that we've been able to get. The CRD board is considering

[3:13:12] Voice 2: it's budget for 2025 at the end of this month and you know we've got a line in there and we're

[3:13:18] Voice 2: hoping that they they do approve the budget as proposed and that we do have funding to do things

[3:13:24] Voice 2: that you're planning to do which again are baby steps so this is three kind of main elements of

[3:13:34] Voice 2: what we're proposing as a pilot project for Southerville Islands Electoral Area but also

[3:13:39] Voice 2: salt spring electoral area so the crd as a regional district has three electoral areas

[3:13:46] Voice 2: um where it's the local government for the electoral areas and two of those are in the

[3:13:51] Voice 2: animals trust area and one is outside so we're the pilot project partly because of the funding

[3:13:56] Voice 2: we got from from the tourism partnership which covers the two electoral areas

[3:14:01] Voice 2: but the pilot project is just for the island electoral areas and looking at

[3:14:10] Voice 2: like basically staffing with the Provincial Secondary Suites Program an incentive, funding incentives for people to build out secondary suites and cottages where they have zoning.

[3:14:23] Voice 2: Relying on our Islands Trust partners to do the land use planning and to identify areas where secondary suites and cottages are appropriate.

[3:14:32] Voice 2: that most all the land use bylaws allow these accessory dwelling units to some degree or another

[3:14:38] Voice 2: so we know that there's we know by looking at building permit data that there's not a lot of

[3:14:44] Voice 2: uptake of people building out these rental units accessory units which could be rental units

[3:14:50] Voice 2: and we know that a major barrier is cost and so we're looking to provide an incentive to private

[3:14:58] Voice 2: property owners to build out an accessory unit in exchange for a commitment to rent that unit

[3:15:04] Voice 2: because it had an affordable rate to someone who needs it um and that incentive program would be

[3:15:11] Voice 2: stackable with the provincial program which is looking to do the same thing um right now um we've

[3:15:17] Voice 2: got survey out aimed at property owners to try and dig into what the update would be on this program

[3:15:23] Voice 2: So that we can tailor the criteria to meet the needs of our islands, you know, at a base level where our approach, we're going to kind of replicate the provincial program, but we know there's elements of the provincial program that maybe wouldn't be as applicable in our islands, and that maybe we could look at it more, that we can tailor it to the needs more specifically.

[3:15:45] Voice 2: Second goal of our pilot program was to provide some free development funding to those non-profit groups who are advancing multi-family projects.

[3:15:56] Voice 2: And we know that because of the high bar of professional reliance that's needed to ensure that development doesn't impact the environment negatively,

[3:16:08] Voice 2: the cost to even just get through the zoning process is higher for our non-profit partners

[3:16:14] Voice 2: on the islands and it would be in another area we've heard that it costs you know two hundred

[3:16:19] Voice 2: thousand two hundred thousand dollars just to get from zoning before you even got your building

[3:16:23] Voice 2: permit um and also because our communities are not serviced by municipal water and sewer

[3:16:31] Voice 2: the cost to provide that on-site servicing like an on-site septic system on-site water system

[3:16:37] Voice 2: It's infrastructure costs that is on the burden of the developer, the burden of the

[3:16:44] Voice 2: non-profit, sorry, the non-profit property owner to develop that on-site system.

[3:16:50] Voice 2: So our pre-development funding could also be used to support infrastructure costs.

[3:16:58] Voice 2: And the third main goal, and maybe the most important, is to just have that capacity with

[3:17:07] Voice 2: the regional housing department of crd to you know some attention and support and coordination

[3:17:12] Voice 2: education to island communities to help address their needs so um the money we're asking for from

[3:17:21] Voice 2: the crd board isn't a lot in the context of how much things cost but again it's a it's a tone

[3:17:26] Voice 2: water and um and we're hoping that you know that gets approved and then we can leverage more funding

[3:17:32] Voice 2: made from other funders, you know, once we demonstrate some success. So this is really

[3:17:42] Voice 2: not easy to, to do all the things it takes to actually build a project, get the zoning,

[3:17:50] Voice 2: get the building permit, build a project, operate it. In our Southern World Islands

[3:17:56] Voice 2: electoral area, we've got a lot of partners we've been working with. Every island has

[3:18:01] Voice 2: non-profit projects that have been proposed a lot of them have been through the zoning in the last

[3:18:06] Voice 2: term or so but there's major capital costs that are needed to get the projects built um what we're

[3:18:12] Voice 2: proposing isn't going to help that like we're not going to be able to we're not a building supply

[3:18:17] Voice 2: program we don't have an identified funding stream to be able to give the like the scale of funding

[3:18:23] Voice 2: that's needed to actually build projects um like i said this pre-development funding for the

[3:18:28] Voice 2: non-profit groups would just be uh it would help their pro forma out a little bit help reduce that

[3:18:33] Voice 2: equity a gap a little bit so to improve maybe the likelihood of the actual big funders giving

[3:18:39] Voice 2: and uh i guess the other thing about this slide is there's yeah we've been we've been working

[3:18:48] Voice 2: really hard with a lot of different partners um and also

[3:18:51] Voice 2: um as you as you all know the

[3:18:54] Voice 2: CRD's recently purchased what was formerly Galliano Capri, is now the Capitella, and we're really excited that that's actually the first CRD owned housing project in the Southern Guadalajara area, and we're working very hard to find all the funding to do that, so that's great news.

[3:19:15] Voice 2: and I throw this slide in here

[3:19:17] Voice 2: which was taken by an old friend

[3:19:19] Voice 2: who

[3:19:21] Voice 2: which I love a lot

[3:19:22] Voice 2: this is about how we work together

[3:19:25] Voice 2: it's actually

[3:19:27] Voice 2: non-productive if we're stepping on each other's

[3:19:29] Voice 2: toes and doing efforts

[3:19:31] Voice 2: and it's really good to understand

[3:19:33] Voice 2: the jurisdiction of the agency you're working with

[3:19:35] Voice 2: and to know when to pass the baton

[3:19:37] Voice 2: if you guys turn your mind to

[3:19:41] Voice 2: to, you know, does your zoning enable as much as is appropriate for your island, then, you

[3:19:48] Voice 2: know, you can pass that baton over to other organizations like the regional district that

[3:19:53] Voice 2: can deliver services for your islands, and, you know, there's a lot of, you know, we bring

[3:20:02] Voice 2: all the housing advocates in the room, everyone just gets very overwhelmed with all the things

[3:20:08] Voice 2: there are to do and how much work there is and then you know and start pointing fingers you know

[3:20:12] Voice 2: we need to do that we need to do that we need that we all need to do things that we need to

[3:20:17] Voice 2: do that is actually our responsibility so i won't go on about this but this is what i thought about

[3:20:21] Voice 2: and um the whole goal is to keep our islands diverse and vibrant to help break the public

[3:20:29] Voice 2: cycle um to bring the right mix of houses as our generations shift the island shift we need

[3:20:36] Voice 2: succession planning for volunteers um we need to consider ownership housing in addition to rental

[3:20:42] Voice 2: housing and how to enable the future stewards of our communities who have a vested interest and

[3:20:49] Voice 2: um and uh and enabling you know a level of financial security that that would support people

[3:20:57] Voice 2: um contributing to the community um as volunteers and so this is all about us providing housing for

[3:21:04] Voice 2: pilot. It's an experiment. We don't know what the success will be. We're hoping the CRD board

[3:21:13] Voice 2: agrees it's a priority. We'll agree it's a priority. We'll be making that funding and

[3:21:17] Voice 2: then maybe we can leverage some more funding. That's all I have for you. And I'm happy to

[3:21:24] Voice 2: answer any questions. Great. Thank you. Great. Thank

[3:21:33] Voice 2: you, Justine. And questions, discussion?

[3:21:41] Voice 2: Yes, so how does the pilot program help with the microcosm building?

[3:21:52] Voice 2: Well, we're trying to just build a fund to give to the grants.

[3:22:01] Voice 2: For the accessory growing, they would be for the whole buildings.

[3:22:06] Voice 2: That's how we would be able to ensure that the public activities would work.

[3:22:13] Voice 2: But we're still working on the wrinkles of that, too.

[3:22:15] Voice 2: there's a there's a lot of uh detail around like which how you measure affordability so

[3:22:19] Voice 2: but yeah so the way the pommel runs this program um is it's a five-year forgivable loan um and um

[3:22:28] Voice 2: when the the loan demonstrate they've met um

[3:22:34] Voice 5: they're like in

[3:22:35] Voice 2: compliance with the program

[3:22:36] Voice 2: their tenant um is you know renting an affordable rate and they prescribe what those rates are

[3:22:42] Voice 2: then they get 20% forgiven and it's after five years there's no more

[3:22:49] Voice 2: involvement of government in that rental but you know there's expectation that

[3:22:54] Voice 2: because it's governed by the Residential Tenancy Act you know it's not perfect

[3:23:00] Voice 2: it's not in perpetuity but it's only $40,000 right and then and what we've

[3:23:05] Voice 2: done in the process of developing this program is a

[3:23:09] Voice 2: lot of work. So we know that it costs over

[3:23:15] Voice 2: $400 a square foot to build on the islands, we know how much it costs to build a secondary suite,

[3:23:20] Voice 2: you know how much it costs to build cottages, and $40,000 is not going to go very far towards

[3:23:27] Voice 2: building a cottage, it might, it might make it happen to renovate a house and put in a

[3:23:32] Voice 2: secondary suite. That's the kind of scale of cost.

[3:23:42] Voice 2: I guess

[3:23:43] Voice 2: do you have any

[3:23:46] Voice 2: consideration to

[3:23:48] Voice 2: third or fourth?

[3:23:50] Voice 2: All the first number is a minimum.

[3:23:52] Voice 2: Third or fourth?

[3:23:55] Voice 2: Absolutely. There's lots

[3:24:05] Voice 2: of different forms of housing.

[3:24:08] Voice 2: It's not very more affordable than just

[3:24:09] Voice 2: a conventional stick frame building.

[3:24:12] Voice 2: This is an example

[3:24:14] Voice 2: where we have a

[3:24:15] a

[3:24:15] Voice 2: bit of a governance delay. If there was zoning for a trailer park, then we could buy RVs and put them there. There's an issue with the building code. We're working at CRD to kind of reconcile when the building code applies to trailers and when it doesn't. And it's, it's all about the standards, the CSA standards.

[3:24:41] Voice 2: standards. Yeah, and I agree. And that's a baton that needs to be passed over to the

[3:24:52] Voice 2: province, maybe the BC building code. And I think that a lot of people are saying these

[3:24:59] Voice 2: standards are too expensive. But you know, we have to work with the code that the province

[3:25:06] Voice 2: legislates so yeah so first of all this is great i mean obviously get it out to the public and

[3:25:18] Voice 2: do as much education as possible to make them aware of the opportunities but something that

[3:25:25] Voice 2: i've touched on probably always seen is when we put up our hand to look at the building code when

[3:25:31] Voice 2: we get the results back they're worse than when they uh then when we start our hand right and

[3:25:36] Voice 2: And so it doesn't look like to me that the provincial government and the building code department is really, I mean, sure, they've got a secondary suite program, but if it doesn't cover the permit process, you know, you really haven't accomplished anything for the actual owner.

[3:25:57] Voice 2: So I think there's a lot of work for the provincial government to do to work on the building codes to allow for alternative housing.

[3:26:07] Voice 4: Many

[3:26:07] Voice 2: homes, trader parks and things like that, because, you know, the reality is right now I don't know how many people have any beds on the property on the island.

[3:26:19] Voice 2: But you see them in the parking lots at night and at night again.

[3:26:23] Voice 2: There are a few of those on the island now.

[3:26:26] Voice 2: So I'm looking forward to the CRD project up by Page Drive and hoping that that moves along

[3:26:34] Voice 4: fairly quickly.

[3:26:36] Voice 4: But

[3:26:37] Voice 2: it's funding, right? And so yeah, lots of different sort of chemicals to this housing thing.

[3:26:46] Voice 2: I mean, everyone's hoping that the pre-fed industry will pick up and that, you know,

[3:26:52] Voice 2: you can bring modular units that are more affordable um we are it's another kind of ltc

[3:27:00] Voice 2: thing is to be considering the floor area requirements and your zoning bylaws for your

[3:27:05] Voice 2: cottages in your secondary suites and because i think what i've observed is a lot of the zoning

[3:27:10] Voice 2: across the islands the floor area is just a little bit too small and you can't get that

[3:27:18] Voice 2: so things like that um are you know able to take advantage of efficiencies that the market is

[3:27:26] Voice 2: providing um just also maybe consider uh who you know where i know wireless trust is doing a new

[3:27:33] Voice 2: round of housing assessment and we're going to support that with a qualitative survey um trying

[3:27:40] Voice 2: to collaborate with planners to do a survey supplemented to the housing assessment so we

[3:27:45] Voice 2: can really get an

[3:27:45] Voice 2: understanding of where the need is today. And

[3:27:48] Voice 2: we have older housing assessments. But to look at the

[3:27:56] Voice 2: results of that and see where the need is, there's a large

[3:27:59] Voice 2: number of young families who need housing, I want to

[3:28:02] Voice 2: consider it. What form of housing can zoning include to

[3:28:07] Voice 2: support development of housing? Right, so like, I'm kind of

[3:28:13] Voice 2: zeroing in on the floor area of cottages there with two bedrooms it's important for family

[3:28:18] Voice 2: housing what

[3:28:24] Voice 5: is the uh

[3:28:25] Voice 2: crd uh rural housing initiative doing to uh you now own uh

[3:28:33] Voice 2: what what uh what are you doing to ensure there's funding from the senior levels of government

[3:28:41] Voice 2: yeah well we're making funding applications and um that's what we're doing yeah so it's a 14

[3:28:48] Voice 2: million dollar project um i think we have like a four million dollar equity gap um we're working

[3:28:56] Voice 2: to fund that project um you know it's we've got a lot of applications so it's a bit of a cascade

[3:29:08] Voice 2: to get one and then we might get another and then you know there's nothing really confirmed

[3:29:15] Voice 2: that i could talk about i think it does highlight a great point that work that crd staff you know

[3:29:21] Voice 2: your staff the staff that are put into trying to get galliano green up and running and uh

[3:29:30] Voice 2: you know there's there's a lot of work

[3:29:32] Voice 2: going in and yeah probably closer to doing something than

[3:29:39] Voice 2: the other side right so uh certainly encouraging to hear the work that's being put in yeah i mean

[3:29:47] Voice 2: that's a community-grown project right like that's been happening

[3:29:53] Voice 2: years years right 20 years so

[3:30:04] Voice 2: I didn't ask questions around

[3:30:08] Voice 2: I wanted to touch again on

[3:30:11] Voice 2: interior

[3:30:11] Voice 2: affordability

[3:30:12] Voice 2: and how does that build something

[3:30:16] Voice 2: that I see you're going to be working on

[3:30:19] Voice 2: yeah

[3:30:20] Voice 2: because

[3:30:23] Voice 2: the costs are so high

[3:30:25] Voice 2: and so when you're like looking at

[3:30:27] Voice 2: trying to build a project

[3:30:29] Voice 2: you're looking at how much

[3:30:31] Voice 2: financing you're going to need, how much funding you're going to get, and then what's the level of financing, and then how you need to be able to operate on the events that you're collecting.

[3:30:46] Voice 2: And we know that the incomes of the Islanders are lower than the incomes of the rest of the CRE, and the numbers don't always work.

[3:30:55] Voice 2: numbers don't always work so we're really trying to uh kind of drill into that when the province

[3:31:02] Voice 2: fills projects and the province releases um it depends it depends project by project by project

[3:31:09] Voice 2: which numbers you're using for income and it's because those income numbers then they do a

[3:31:14] Voice 2: calculation of 30 percent of the median income so i know for

[3:31:18] Voice 2: the secondary suites program that

[3:31:21] Voice 2: the province is running they're using income data from all of victoria so it's it's a little bit

[3:31:27] Voice 2: higher um but you know that is going to be a brand new unit for somebody to live in and so

[3:31:36] Voice 2: it's yeah it's one of the challenges that we're trying to work through it's one

[3:31:39] Voice 2: of the purposes

[3:31:40] Voice 2: of our of our engagement especially when we do our winter survey to to kind of drill into like

[3:31:47] Voice 2: but we know it's lower than the market what's the timing like on the grant applications well

[3:32:00] Voice 2: we need to get through budget so this is a go um i've been seconded to our regional housing

[3:32:08] Voice 2: division for 2024 to kind of put this all together but i have to other jobs in january i think so

[3:32:16] Voice 2: um you know the idea is that we hire a coordinator in january um but just trying to get a place

[3:32:36] Voice 2: Right. I mean, we haven't, we're not clear where that person will be. It'll be kind of

[3:32:41] Voice 2: under a few applies. We're not even clear yet if it will be a contractor or accommodated

[3:32:47] Voice 2: to do like a billing position within the CRD. There's a lot, but this is still, we're still

[3:32:53] Voice 2: developing it. But the role would be to administer the grants, right? So they would be receiving

[3:32:57] Voice 2: receiving the applications, reviewing them, and administering that exchange with the applicants.

[3:33:04] Voice 2: And then also, there's an ongoing need to compile information and help navigate people

[3:33:11] Voice 2: to find the information they need to advance projects.

[3:33:15] Voice 2: We're hoping to develop a bit of a readiness kit where nonprofit groups might get really

[3:33:23] Voice 2: excited about a piece of land their neighbor said they'd sell for cheap to help them kind of really

[3:33:27] Voice 2: think through what it's going to take to to do something because i think we do find um that

[3:33:33] Voice 2: project ideas and the visions and the excitement around it aren't always viable when the realities

[3:33:40] Voice 2: you know and so just helping people understand what their complications i'm not sure if you

[3:33:51] Voice 2: mentioned but there's an open survey right now yeah did you go into that i can't work quickly

[3:33:58] Voice 2: Oh, did. Sorry. I do have. I just wanted to make sure that that was definitely mentioned.

[3:34:05] Voice 2: I can share the link on my Facebook page. I mean, it's a bit, if you're a renter, I'm not sure,

[3:34:15] Voice 2: but there it's like, you go to take the survey and you say, I am not a property owner. And it

[3:34:20] Voice 2: says, thank you very much. Goodbye. Because we're really trying to get in and understand,

[3:34:25] Voice 2: And we know that there's a lot of reasons why people don't rent space on their property, right?

[3:34:29] Voice 2: And it's privacy concerns.

[3:34:31] Voice 2: Islanders need more psychological space.

[3:34:35] Voice 2: There's concerns over the protections that tenants have under provincial legislation that will make a problem renter hard to evict.

[3:34:44] Voice 2: All of these things are barriers to people offering.

[3:34:48] Voice 2: Islanders offering housing.

[3:34:49] Voice 2: So you want to get into that psychology a little

[3:34:52] Voice 2: bit and ask property owners what it would take with this incentive for you to do that, if not how much or what is in your mind the barriers and cost?

[3:35:03] Voice 2: Is it you don't want to share your privacy, you're concerned about a problem?

[3:35:13] Any

[3:35:14] Voice 2: other comments or questions?

[3:35:21] Voice 2: Something of all this wonderful information myself, I'm sure I'll be reading up on it.

[3:35:29] Voice 2: yeah i just thank you for coming and presenting us today and uh it's really interesting and let's

[3:35:37] Voice 2: hope that the the funding comes through and the pilot goes off with this start of something

[3:35:42] Voice 2: really great i appreciate you coming today thank you for having me and such a busy agenda

[3:35:47] Voice 2: thank you next okay well we have uh probably more left on our agenda than we're going to

[3:36:02] Voice 2: complete today as my guests but um i propose that we go through uh from uh sections all down to

[3:36:14] Voice 2: the beginning of section 17 and uh then maybe i'll look to staff and trustees with some

[3:36:20] Voice 2: suggestions of what we might want to prefer um so we have the minutes of september 10th meeting

[3:36:30] Voice 2: meeting here for adoption, starting on page four.

[3:36:33] Voice 2: And I'll just look to trustees to see

[3:36:35] Voice 2: if there's any amendments to those minutes.

[3:36:38] Voice 2: Not hearing any, I'll take it by general consent,

[3:36:41] Voice 2: we'll adopt those minutes as presented.

[3:36:44] Voice 2: We have no resolution without meeting report

[3:36:47] Voice 2: for advisory planning commission meeting minutes.

[3:36:51] Voice 2: And we have a follow-up action list starting on page 12,

[3:36:55] Voice 2: and I'll look to staff to see if there's anything

[3:36:57] Voice 2: that you'd like to update us on.

[3:36:59] Voice 2: uh no current updates staff were away for about two weeks so unfortunately some of these items

[3:37:05] Voice 2: uh were unable to be completed for today's meeting but will be completed for november

[3:37:12] Voice 2: okay and trustees do any questions on follow-up action list today

[3:37:17] Voice 2: no okay so um that would we have no delegations or correspondence i think we'll uh just blow past

[3:37:28] Voice 2: past the meeting break at this time.

[3:37:32] Voice 2: And then I'm gonna look to first staff

[3:37:36] Voice 2: and then trustees for suggestions

[3:37:39] Voice 2: on what it might be reasonable to defer to our next meeting.

[3:37:43] Voice 2: Here, so I'm gonna start with staff.

[3:37:45] Voice 2: Yes, so considering that the LTC has heard quite a bit

[3:37:52] Voice 2: from the public hearing and also the CIM,

[3:37:54] Voice 2: am. The LTC does have an option to defer the staff report to the next meeting if you need that time

[3:38:02] Voice 2: to take that information in and possibly think of next steps on the project. The difficulty of that

[3:38:10] Voice 2: is that the public hearing has closed. So you can't hear any further information from community

[3:38:15] Voice 2: members, agencies, First Nations and so forth, nor can you deliberate between yourselves. So that is

[3:38:22] Voice 2: the difficulty of delaying the staff report um but we do if the ltc wanted to we could go through the

[3:38:30] Voice 2: staff report um and see how far we get um but it's up to the ltc my

[3:38:36] Voice 1: understanding that

[3:38:37] Voice 2: two applications

[3:38:39] Voice 2: on the agenda shouldn't take too long um regarding so regarding the release of covenants that's

[3:38:46] Voice 2: something we can completely get through today okay thank you for that and i'll look to trustees you

[3:38:54] Voice 2: have preference here um the applications would be the next in line in

[3:39:01] Voice 2: terms of the uh agenda

[3:39:04] Voice 2: but uh we we have less than an hour uh i'd love so i would say that we start up through the

[3:39:11] Voice 2: the application and see where we end up okay so let's start with the uh glbp 2024 10 uh sticks

[3:39:24] Voice 2: allison we've covered it we've got a staff report starting on page 14 and i'll turn it over to

[3:39:29] Voice 2: ladder stuff thank you sorry let me get to that page i'll present this staff report on behalf of

[3:39:36] Voice 2: field testimonial. So this staff report is a request to release a section 219 covenant for

[3:39:47] Voice 2: proof of potable water. This lot was originally created by a strata subdivision back in 2004

[3:39:57] Voice 2: which states that no structure or building of any kind shall be unoccupied until

[3:40:02] Voice 2: until a well has been drilled and that a subsequent groundwater report has been provided.

[3:40:11] Voice 2: So the property owner has provided the groundwater report.

[3:40:16] Voice 2: It was referred to our property water specialist for comment.

[3:40:22] Voice 2: The report states that the normal domestic use

[3:40:25] Voice 2: would not have any detrimental effect on the neighboring wells

[3:40:28] Voice 2: or the nearby surface water sources.

[3:40:31] Voice 2: and the laboratory results in terms of the water quality on the subject well met or exceeded the

[3:40:37] Voice 2: guidelines for the canadian drinking water um so based on that there are two recommendations for

[3:40:44] Voice 2: the ltc to consider the first one is the ltc to approve the lease of the covenant as the conditions

[3:40:51] Voice 2: have been satisfied and the second one there is to designate the chair to sign the release of that

[3:40:57] Voice 2: coming in okay and i'll look to trustees for any questions uh i don't have any questions just

[3:41:06] Voice 2: comments um went through the report it appears that the applicant has met all the requirements

[3:41:14] Voice 2: so i'm prepared to make a motion you know yeah i have one one question here figure four um it's a

[3:41:22] Voice 2: picture of the well um zero six five nine seven four one anyway there's some excavation happening

[3:41:29] Voice 2: beside it i just want to know about the surface seal um yeah as it mentions that there's an

[3:41:36] Voice 2: excavation around the casing which needs to be built in again with some material to protect it

[3:41:42] Voice 2: uh properly sealing these this area would help surface contaminants from entering the well

[3:41:49] Voice 2: thereby ensuring better wellness protection um i'm wondering what's happening i know that that's

[3:41:54] Voice 2: also an alcohol that's important the recognition of the fact that i don't have any further

[3:42:01] Voice 2: information unfortunately no no good supply information it's all been not just i appreciate

[3:42:19] Voice 2: that thank you

[3:42:20] Voice 2: curious more than anything and looking at all the reports too it does sound

[3:42:24] Voice 2: to me that we could do a motion okay okay i'm going to make a motion that the galliano island

[3:42:30] Voice 2: local trust committee approved the release of the covenant ew62082 proof of potable water registered

[3:42:37] Voice 2: under section 219 of the land type act that is attachment one to this report for strata lot 8

[3:42:44] Voice 2: district lot 30 galliano island college and district strata plan bis 5536 bid 025 936 476

[3:42:54] Voice 2: is seconded by trustee bro uh any further discussion no in that case i'll call the

[3:43:01] Voice 2: question all votes in favor and that motion carries and there's a second one

[3:43:09] Voice 2: sure i'm at the galliano local trust committee designated chair for the local trust committee

[3:43:14] Voice 2: to sign a release covenant ew6208 i'll second move to second it any discussion i'm not seeing

[3:43:23] Voice 2: any i'll call the question all those in favor motion carries all right uh moving on to page 50

[3:43:34] Voice 2: and we have a report from planners cocktail thank you i'll present this on behalf of planner phil

[3:43:42] Voice 2: to smell um so the purpose of the staff report is presented cash in lieu amount to the ltc

[3:43:50] Voice 2: also for the ltc to consider two draft section two draft section 219 covenants and also to designate

[3:43:59] Voice 2: the chair then to assign two covenants and also to release two historical covenants that are on the

[3:44:06] Voice 2: property title. So the two section 219 covenants are pretty straightforward and quite common

[3:44:17] Voice 2: for these type of applications. The first one is to restrict subdivision on one of the strata lots

[3:44:26] Voice 2: and the second is for all lots to satisfy the proof of plumbable water requirements.

[3:44:34] Voice 2: There is also the recommendation for the acceptance of the cash-in-lieu amount for required parkland

[3:44:42] Voice 2: dedication.

[3:44:42] Voice 2: The applicant had the option to either designate land or cash-in-lieu, but went for cash-in-lieu.

[3:44:50] Voice 2: And as the staff report states that the cash-in-lieu appraisal was reviewed by the CRD staff and

[3:44:58] Voice 2: and accepted the methodology and appraise amount

[3:45:01] Voice 2: on August 24th of this year.

[3:45:04] Voice 2: But we're still waiting for the schedule

[3:45:07] Voice 2: of the CRD board for acceptance of that amount.

[3:45:13] Voice 2: And lastly is, as I mentioned,

[3:45:16] Voice 2: there is two covenants that are no longer applicable

[3:45:19] Voice 2: to the subject property.

[3:45:21] Voice 2: So there's a recommendation there for number four

[3:45:24] Voice 2: to release those two covenants

[3:45:25] Voice 2: and that the chair to sign those two new covenants and the releases of the covenants.

[3:45:31] Voice 2: So I'll leave it at that. But there is those five recommendations on page 50 for the LTC to consider.

[3:45:40] Voice 2: Justice, we have the applicants in the room. So whether they want to read.

[3:45:44] Voice 2: Excellent.

[3:45:47] Voice 2: Hi, Lawrence Waterford. I guess I should ask this, unfortunately.

[3:45:53] Voice 2: the uh already left but she had asked about the rezoning and whether or not we considered

[3:46:05] Voice 2: we didn't need to be zone our zoning has been the same now for 30 years

[3:46:11] Voice 2: and yes our original plan we submitted june of 2021 included from mountain point trail

[3:46:19] Voice 2: through to what's going to be a new public road which would then take you through to

[3:46:26] Voice 2: At the time the Parks Commission expressed some interest on the beachfront, we have 150

[3:46:36] Voice 2: feet of beachfront.

[3:46:37] Voice 2: I went down, my background is from highest to best, so I looked at what public benefit

[3:46:44] Voice 2: would be for that.

[3:46:47] Voice 2: Basically we're the first private property after a couple of kilometers of public land.

[3:46:51] Voice 2: I saw a known benefit, and if we had gone that route, we would have to redesign our subdivision to be more sliver oceanfront.

[3:47:05] Voice 2: We specifically designed it so that it was a lot more than what it was in the long suburb, I guess, for Covenant.

[3:47:14] Voice 2: And so we decided, you know, we want to stick with the one big waterfront, skinny waterfront, two at the back.

[3:47:20] Voice 2: So that's the way we took. That was three years ago.

[3:47:25] Voice 2: to send there's been many more reiterations of it. We've just recently, early this year,

[3:47:31] Voice 2: switched to bare land strata. The only reason we did that was to save not just the cost,

[3:47:37] Voice 2: but the destruction of building a road on a 20-meter driveway that's beside the king

[3:47:42] property of the citizen's car. We want to follow the existing route, and we can do that

[3:47:48] under strata.

[3:48:04] Voice 2: We thought it's the best way to, we ended up with four lots, one that's just over six

[3:48:16] Voice 2: acres, which we plan to live on eventually, and three, one waterfront, two back lots,

[3:48:22] Voice 2: each one the three new ones all

[3:48:27] Voice 2: back to the original part of the cradle um she asked about

[3:48:38] Voice 2: the value first of all the appraiser presentation became names i copied the section of a 10 or

[3:48:54] Voice 2: something from a government app pasted in the online request for each of these

[3:48:59] in

[3:49:01] Voice 2: talking about it with her she recognized a that land values as a completely i think

[3:49:13] Voice 2: was some confusion that they were preparing our assessed value which includes a beautiful log home

[3:49:17] Voice 2: as well as a secondary cabin and so that's why it's quite a range um looking at it for

[3:49:27] a new basis i think she ended up which

[3:49:31] Voice 2: is actually slightly more than a few of the other properties

[3:49:35] Voice 2: we have such as the same company it's also ocean front it's low it also has kind of crappy views

[3:49:45] Voice 2: or high bank all of our building sites are way behind the protected potential covenant

[3:49:51] Voice 2: so there's lots of sort of offsets we thought it's pretty good questions well that's thanks

[3:50:00] Voice 2: i appreciate it that explains why the i was curious about the panhandle uh yeah

[3:50:08] Voice 2: if it's a bare land strata then it's just a common driveway is that

[3:50:17] Voice 2: Yeah, that's one of the things.

[3:50:19] Voice 2: Also, the biblical road, the mountain point, that's all public.

[3:50:23] Voice 2: So that's why all of our laps conform to a meeting.

[3:50:35] Voice 2: Any other questions for the applicant or staff?

[3:50:38] Voice 2: Yes, I do. Where are we in the, I'm trying to understand where we are in the subdivision process.

[3:50:42] Voice 2: Are we going to see this application again before us? I think our task today is just to approve this amount.

[3:50:48] Voice 2: Yeah, so it's to take a look at the amount except the covenants and the discharge of the other covenants. And these are all conditions in the preliminary layout, a review issued by MLTI. So the applicant is currently going through all those conditions to satisfy them before final approval.

[3:51:07] Voice 2: So that is all. The LTC wouldn't receive any further information on this subdivision unless there is a variance required at some point.

[3:51:18] Voice 2: I'm not sure. I don't know the ins and outs of the subdivision application, but that's the only reason why it would come back to the LTC.

[3:51:25] Voice 2: So the 750 pages, we got three.

[3:51:34] Voice 2: um i did i'm just gonna i have some questions around the assessment as well if you look at

[3:51:40] Voice 2: other properties on galliano that are i have a few here that are like you know like 0.6 of an acre

[3:51:47] Voice 2: that go for 1.3 you have properties here that are three acres that go for 1.2

[3:51:55] Voice 2: um it does seem to me that the assessed value compared to the bc assessment is supposed to

[3:52:01] Voice 2: give a million dollars the reason there's assessed value space but that's actually my background

[3:52:06] assess value is based on the fact that it's a large acreage

[3:52:11] Voice 2: that used to be i remember neighbors

[3:52:14] Voice 2: they actually went to bc assessments if we actually down zone and got rid of the rights

[3:52:21] Voice 2: to divide into five units of our assessed volume now he said no we're just going to treat you as

[3:52:28] Voice 2: one big lump because somebody's going to come in their state cottage there we've got to pay the

[3:52:33] Voice 2: same amount of money so at the end of the day that pretty big 15 acres isn't worth proportionally

[3:52:40] Voice 2: that much more than a little friend site believe it or not and um i think your dust dust is actually

[3:52:48] Voice 2: the only comp I know of is a heavy-bidding full term for donating. For comparables? Yeah for true comparables.

[3:52:58] Voice 2: I mean I read all the comparables and they all give you lean and market insight

[3:53:03] Voice 2: but true comparables and that's down to 1.2 million for full acres so 100,000 absolutely.

[3:53:12] Voice 2: So full acres and that has a large government on it doesn't it?

[3:53:21] Voice 2: That's the difference. We actually, before we got the appraisal, we said we need an

[3:53:26] Voice 2: appraisal, which is used to assess value.

[3:53:31] Voice 2: We

[3:53:31] Voice 4: have to get

[3:53:32] Voice 2: an appraisal. Thank you.

[3:53:34] Voice 2: I read that because the comparables here, when you look at tables on Facebook, I noticed

[3:53:44] Voice 2: that over more than half of the appraisals are for non-waterfront property. Well, the

[3:53:51] Voice 2: property is waterfront with the high bank waterfront yeah i don't know could this result

[3:53:56] Voice 2: in undervaluation right um and also additionally two of the comparables are still active listening

[3:54:06] Voice 2: throughout listings right which means they're out yeah which means that the price is the asking

[3:54:11] Voice 2: price and not the sale price yeah actually i'd like to listen it's a con because you know when

[3:54:15] Voice 2: something's wrong yeah but yeah you're right it's not a it's not that he'll come but it's a pretty

[3:54:23] Voice 2: good indicator all other factors are similar in that case the biggest similarities are filming

[3:54:30] Voice 2: in front common same as us it has trailers but once you actually look at the land value

[3:54:36] Voice 2: it brings you down to 100 million so i thought at the

[3:54:42] Voice 2: end of the day

[3:54:44] Voice 2: you're right yeah a little bit because i drive aside like those should be all stress

[3:54:49] Voice 2: us have a little crazy it's a valid question that certainly is an option we have a crd board needs

[3:55:00] Voice 2: to needs a resolution from us

[3:55:01] Voice 2: to approve this for them to approve it and then allocate those funds

[3:55:06] Voice 2: which we have first from uh kim that those plan those funds could stay on galiano correct

[3:55:13] Voice 2: yes that's my understanding that the funds go into um land park land acquisition for galiano

[3:55:30] Voice 2: I'm going to take a short notice that when it comes to these appraisals and standard

[3:55:35] Voice 2: practices, you rely on the CRD, the governing body on that point to put forward the appraisal.

[3:55:41] Voice 2: They looked at the list and sent the notices out and asked if they wanted them.

[3:55:46] Voice 2: so that's pretty standard practice for us to then re-appraise

[3:55:51] Voice 2: it to see if we could get a little bit

[3:55:55] Voice 2: more money out of the developer i think

[3:56:06] Voice 2: yeah i understand that too to ask the crd staff to review their appraisal which i

[3:56:12] Voice 2: believe it's called the

[3:56:13] Voice 2: manager's successor which

[3:56:16] Voice 2: sounds pretty incredible right um so generally

[3:56:21] Voice 2: if you live on a yearly basis update those those less the people that they're that are proactive

[3:56:29] rather

[3:56:29] Voice 2: than just yeah

[3:56:32] Voice 5: that's a question

[3:56:35] Voice 2: so i'm just gonna try to do what questions i can ask

[3:56:38] Voice 2: Right. Right. So if we wanted to make it no, not saying that's not speaking. I wanted the CRD to know that we thought the assessment was too low. What would be my avenue for that? I'm not, I don't want to trigger a second appraisal right now, but I think that's the opportunity to ask anybody to hear more about that professional opinion rather than a beautifully written appraisal.

[3:57:12] Voice 2: it was great a lot of information but it's you know i mean i don't know how many times i've

[3:57:20] Voice 2: ever heard of gallium to be fashion blue i think this is the first time i've heard of it so it's a

[3:57:25] Voice 2: very if the ltc feels it's low then literally what you're triggering is the requirement for a new

[3:57:34] Voice 2: assessment to be done yeah which is a cost a significant cost it would have to be split

[3:57:39] Voice 2: How much do you think that would be? Like 1500?

[3:57:42] Voice 2: How much is that?

[3:57:45] Voice 2: What? 3,000?

[3:57:46] Voice 2: That would be split,

[3:57:48] Voice 3: right? That's what I understand.

[3:57:49] Voice 2: 3,000 or 5,000.

[3:57:50] Voice 2: Yeah, I think there's...

[3:57:55] Voice 2: There's quite a lot.

[3:57:57] Voice 2: Yeah, and it's also to do with math, like a quarter of your property, or sorry, a 5% of your property is only a quarter of an acre.

[3:58:06] Voice 2: So that's the scale of what we're talking about here.

[3:58:11] Voice 2: But you're right, Lisa, if the act actually said the appraisers have two quarters of an

[3:58:15] acre that's at the waterfront, they would be able to go in.

[3:58:18] Voice 2: Absolutely.

[3:58:18] Voice 2: That's not the way the act's going to go.

[3:58:21] Voice 2: The act is very specific.

[3:58:23] Voice 2: They want to see the mass land pre-development of land rights.

[3:58:29] Voice 2: And that's why I actually pasted everything in there.

[3:58:32] Voice 2: So the appraiser got back to us to know what she's talking about.

[3:58:38] Voice 2: And she has spoken to Stephen Henderson.

[3:58:41] Voice 2: And she said, you know what, we're going to do this.

[3:58:41] Voice 2: and others, and I don't think it's appropriate,

[3:58:45] Voice 2: but I'm happy if you want to speak to the creation too.

[3:58:49] Voice 2: I know, right?

[3:58:52] Voice 2: That's great.

[3:58:53] Voice 2: I want to move on to the Covenant EF.

[3:58:55] Voice 2: It was registered in 2019 and we're

[3:58:58] Voice 2: discharging today.

[3:58:59] Voice 2: Two, that restricted the number of dwellings

[3:59:02] Voice 2: and accessory prodigies for the parent parcel,

[3:59:04] Voice 2: copying and single-family dwellings,

[3:59:07] Voice 2: and 10 guests plus 20 density.

[3:59:10] Voice 2: what is the current no that was for block A and block B right it's the same density as then the

[3:59:19] Voice 2: differences back then the cottage had a different set size now that's 861 so that's other than that

[3:59:27] Voice 2: the density is the same one house per 33 acres yeah over 15 just over 15. what's the density

[3:59:36] Voice 2: be set up now for lot b with what's uh oh the other one's the same it's still 15 acres the

[3:59:42] Voice 2: collins property it's still 15 and it's still allowed five inches as a range and there's a

[3:59:50] Voice 2: big covenant for it in the whole ocean it's a long document

[4:00:22] Voice 2: I'm satisfied with the report. I've seen PLAs and worked through PLAs before and there's

[4:00:28] Voice 2: very strict sort of process to it and uh we're at this point in the process i don't find the

[4:00:35] Voice 2: assessment here you get a you always get a professional the assessment so i don't find it

[4:00:41] Voice 2: i'm not going to go with it whether it could be 100 or a couple hundred higher a couple hundred

[4:00:46] Voice 2: low and i'm not going to go over that because a professional did it so um yeah i think i'm

[4:00:51] Voice 2: prepared to move forward with the acceptance of that um so okay well i'm going to make a motion

[4:00:59] Voice 2: that the Galeano Local Trust Committee agrees on

[4:01:02] Voice 2: for the purpose of calculating cash

[4:01:03] Voice 2: on the subdivision application GLSUB 2021.1 waterfall.

[4:01:09] Voice 2: The market value of the land on June 11th, 2024

[4:01:13] Voice 2: was 1,515,000 as stated in the appraisal report

[4:01:18] Voice 2: prepared by Katie Schnell, ACCIPAP dated June 19th, 2024.

[4:01:25] Voice 2: That is attachment one to this report

[4:01:28] Voice 2: for GLSUV2023.1, Waterfall.

[4:01:32] Voice 2: So moved.

[4:01:33] Voice 2: Seconded by Trustee Gavreau.

[4:01:36] Voice 2: Discussion?

[4:01:39] Voice 2: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[4:01:41] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[4:01:42] Voice 2: And that carries.

[4:01:47] Voice 2: I'll be next one, sorry.

[4:01:49] Voice 2: That's Aguililla Local Trust Committee

[4:01:50] Voice 2: except Section 9, Covenants,

[4:01:53] Voice 2: that will settle on four.

[4:01:55] Voice 2: Density, that is attachment two to this report.

[4:01:58] Voice 2: for GLSUV2023.1 Waterfall.

[4:02:04] Voice 2: I'll second.

[4:02:05] Voice 2: Moved and seconded.

[4:02:06] Voice 2: Any discussion?

[4:02:09] Voice 2: Seeing any, I'll call the question.

[4:02:10] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[4:02:11] Voice 2: Motion carries.

[4:02:13] Voice 2: I move that the Galleon Local Trust Committee

[4:02:16] Voice 2: accept the section 219 covenant,

[4:02:18] Voice 2: all strata loss water treatment

[4:02:19] Voice 2: that is attached in three to this report

[4:02:21] Voice 2: for GLSUV2023.1 Waterfall.

[4:02:26] Voice 2: Moved

[4:02:26] Voice 5: and seconded by Trustee Gavreau.

[4:02:28] Voice 5: No. Discussion?

[4:02:30] Voice 2: Seeing none, call the question.

[4:02:31] Voice 2: All those in favor? Motion carries.

[4:02:34] Voice 2: I move the Galliano Local

[4:02:36] Voice 2: Trust Committee approve the release of the following

[4:02:38] Voice 2: covenants registered under section

[4:02:40] Voice 2: 9 of the Land Petal Act.

[4:02:42] Voice 2: For lot B, section 1,

[4:02:44] Voice 2: Galliano Island, Gallatin District

[4:02:46] Voice 2: Plan B, B1B

[4:02:50] Voice 2: 87346

[4:02:51] Voice 2: A

[4:02:53] Voice 2: Covenant EF

[4:02:55] Voice 2: 16562

[4:02:56] Voice 2: density uh that being attachment four to this report and b covenant m58171 proof of plumbable

[4:03:06] Voice 2: water that is attachment five in this report seconded by neighborly uh discussion all those

[4:03:15] Voice 2: in favor motion carries i move that the galliano island local trust committee designate the chair

[4:03:21] Voice 2: of the local trust committee to sign the two covenants and the releases for covenants bf12652

[4:03:27] Voice 2: and m58171 seconded by trustee gabriel discussion all the questions all in favor

[4:03:37] Voice 2: and motion carries all right well that concludes that section then

[4:03:47] and

[4:03:49] Voice 2: uh so we've got about a little under half an hour left scheduled um i think maybe uh it

[4:04:02] Voice 2: might be helpful if we if we just look to staff around um process that certainly there's some

[4:04:12] Voice 2: consideration of uh of amending um exception p and how that might be done in conjunction with

[4:04:20] Voice 2: others so some staff advice around the process if that's the will of the trust committee to proceed

[4:04:27] Voice 2: absolutely um it's been a long meeting the ltc has heard a lot uh my advice of the ltc at this point

[4:04:36] Voice 2: is to defer the staff report to the november meeting to give you some chance to really think

[4:04:43] Voice 2: about exemption key if you agree with the wording as is or if there's some other wording you'd like

[4:04:50] Voice 2: to propose so this type of amendment can be done after a public hearing because it's not amending

[4:04:56] Voice 2: user density so that's something the ltc can decide on if you want to amend the wording of

[4:05:01] Voice 2: that exemption that's certainly within your legislative rights i did hear that the mention

[4:05:08] Voice 2: of adding or going back to canalicate about co-management of land and what that may look like

[4:05:14] Voice 2: that is beyond the scope of this project so definitely worthwhile but that that would be

[4:05:21] Voice 2: another project within itself so my advice to the ltc would be to if right now if you agree with most

[4:05:29] Voice 2: of the bylaw but really exemption p you need further thought take this time over the next

[4:05:34] Voice 2: few weeks and then bring forward what you may like to if you like to amend that exemption that

[4:05:40] Voice 2: That can be done post-public hearing.

[4:05:42] Voice 2: But if the LTC thinks, no, certainly need further information from First Nations or community members,

[4:05:49] Voice 2: we can go back, but it would need a second public hearing.

[4:05:53] Voice 2: There are a few minor technical amendments that I wish I actually had put in the staff report,

[4:06:00] Voice 2: specifically to the land use bylaw.

[4:06:03] Voice 2: The cistern requirement is tucked completely in the subdivision regulations.

[4:06:08] Voice 2: regulations. It is not clear. I would love to move that to the very beginning of the bylaw.

[4:06:13] Voice 2: That's something that unfortunately was not included. So I'd like to prepare a draft motion

[4:06:18] Voice 2: for the LTC to consider that. It's hard to do that on the fly. There was

[4:06:23] Voice 2: also a reference in

[4:06:25] Voice 2: the land use bylaw to properties or property. It always should be locked. So those are very minor.

[4:06:31] Voice 2: It'd be nice to have something in writing for the LTC to consider.

[4:06:35] Voice 2: start yes okay so trustees what's your pleasure getting some advice that deferral is not a bad

[4:06:44] Voice 2: idea in terms of it's time to think um and certainly don't have a

[4:06:49] Voice 1: lot of time to

[4:06:50] Voice 2: to engage in a lot of work today so uh i mean i think it's good really good advice

[4:06:56] Voice 2: um it's a big meeting for a lot obviously there's this there's a chance to go in a direction that

[4:07:08] Voice 2: I think is going to be more productive let's take the time to do that properly so I would say

[4:07:17] Voice 2: that's good to hear

[4:07:18] Voice 2: yeah okay so we can uh can we just uh defer by some general

[4:07:25] Voice 2: I can see them of course I wanted to say something I wanted to read something

[4:07:32] Voice 2: I think that was very, very relevant to this.

[4:07:37] Voice 2: At the June 2019 Trust Council meeting on Galeano Island,

[4:07:42] Voice 2: Councilor Tantanus of Peneliket

[4:07:44] Voice 2: and Jim Chilson, Band Leader of Peneliket,

[4:07:47] Voice 2: spoke to the historic connections

[4:07:49] Voice 2: to the land and waters of the Salish Sea.

[4:07:51] Voice 2: The collaboration, relationship that was in existence

[4:07:56] Voice 2: from the commitment for trustees

[4:07:58] Voice 2: and the acknowledgement of historic wrongs

[4:08:00] Voice 2: and a continued impact on First Nations today.

[4:08:03] Voice 2: Trust Council then took it upon itself unanimously

[4:08:07] Voice 2: to adopt the Owens Trust Reconciliation Action Plan 2018-2022

[4:08:12] Voice 2: that outlined the steps to meet the truth

[4:08:15] Voice 2: about reconciliation and cross-action

[4:08:16] Voice 2: and united then under.

[4:08:19] Voice 2: That happened here on Galliano.

[4:08:21] Voice 2: We can do this.

[4:08:25] Voice 2: Okay, so we can defer by general consent

[4:08:29] Voice 2: then to the November meeting.

[4:08:32] Voice 2: All right.

[4:08:34] Voice 2: that's great and next we have

[4:08:38] Voice 3: the work program report uh at page 259 uh for

[4:08:43] Voice 2: active projects

[4:08:45] Voice 2: and the future projects at 260 and i'll just look to staff if there's anything you want to

[4:08:51] Voice 2: highlight today not

[4:08:52] Voice 5: at this time

[4:08:53] Voice 2: and then i'll look to trustees to see if there's any questions

[4:08:55] Voice 2: or comments on those reports i think just one question we're trying to arrange a meeting with

[4:09:03] Voice 2: Connecticut on the two applications yes um where are we at with that I did speak with council

[4:09:10] Voice 2: member Ken Thomas on our break so we're going to work together and I'm going to be in touch with

[4:09:15] Voice 2: uh Nadine my staff member to put some dates together thank you for that um all right well

[4:09:25] Voice 2: if we're good on those reports then we've got an applications report a verbal report on the

[4:09:33] Voice 2: agenda here um i on behalf of planner brad smith i know he's been actively working with a staff

[4:09:41] Voice 2: member at connecticut to provide a letter and we're really hoping that we can get that on for

[4:09:46] Voice 2: the november agenda it is a high priority and he is actively working on that yeah great thank you

[4:09:54] Voice 2: for that uh anything on the adopted policies and standing resolutions report not for me

[4:10:04] Voice 2: nope uh local trust committee webpage yeah nothing all right and we don't have an island's trust

[4:10:14] Voice 2: conservancy report today uh the next regular meeting schedule is for november 8th uh right

[4:10:25] Voice 2: here at the alliance club and uh then finally we have uh an opportunity for a town hall here before

[4:10:34] Voice 2: we go to adjournment so i'll just look to members of the public and see if anyone has any comments

[4:10:40] Voice 2: or or local trust committee it's time stephen uh i would certainly support any trustees uh

[4:10:51] Voice 2: a movement working to set up a meeting with the NELCA to develop a protocol for the possibility

[4:11:01] Voice 2: for involving them in management of water resources, groundwater resources in the island.

[4:11:11] Voice 2: However that is worded or comes about, I think as staff has pointed out, the coal management

[4:11:19] Voice 2: maybe a little beyond the specific bylaw, but can that be addressed in a motion that

[4:11:30] Voice 2: trustees could adopt to further the bylaw?

[4:11:36] Voice 2: Great, thank you for that. Anyone else?

[4:11:44] Voice 2: Is our next meeting open in here too?

[4:11:47] Voice 2: Yes.

[4:11:47] Voice 2: Oh, okay.

[4:11:49] Voice 2: On Friday.

[4:11:51] Voice 4: Yeah, on Friday.

[4:11:54] Voice 2: yeah i just want to

[4:11:56] Voice 2: apologize on behalf of myself i had the meeting date changed because i'm going

[4:12:02] Voice 2: to be in pei on that for the following week so that's why the meeting was moved up to november

[4:12:06] Voice 2: 8th so i caused any inconvenience to anybody i apologize for that but it wasn't something i

[4:12:12] Voice 2: could change thank you thank you then uh we have no closed meetings so if there's nothing further

[4:12:20] Voice 2: I will call for adjournment.

[4:12:22] Voice 2: Good job, guys.

[4:12:24] Voice 2: Woo!

[4:12:24] Voice 2: Thank you.