Islands Trust Conservancy Board community information meeting, November 25, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 11: Island with me today,

[0:00:02] Voice 11: introduce yourself.

[0:00:06] Voice 10: Janine Dodds, Maine Island.

[0:00:09] Voice 10: And

[0:00:09] Voice 13: a veritable archive of Island's trust and community knowledge.

[0:00:15] Voice 13: And David

[0:00:18] Trustee Maude: Myatt, also from Maine Island. I'll be the curator there again.

[0:00:22] Trustee Maude: Oh,

[0:00:23] Voice 10: that's a good one.

[0:00:24] Trustee Maude: I was going to say that. And

[0:00:25] Voice 10: his family was here in the

[0:00:27] Voice 10: 1800s, so long before me.

[0:00:30] Voice 10: 1800s. Okay, great, great. And we're

[0:00:32] Voice 11: joined by the Island Planner.

[0:00:35] Voice 13: I will

[0:00:36] Voice 12: be an appreciator of the archives.

[0:00:40] Voice 12: It's

[0:00:40] Voice 13: great. I guess I'm the stick handler of the archives. Okay, I like it.

[0:00:45] Voice 13: In the background, we're supported by our minute taker and meeting facilitator, Lisa Millard.

[0:00:51] Voice 13: And I know that staff, by the way, also is in the wings.

[0:00:57] Voice 13: so we have an agenda before us is there anything to add or amend the agenda just wanted to

[0:01:05] Trustee Maude: add um a discussion about uh a referral to flint road for a foreshore encouragement

[0:01:12] Voice 13: sure so put that under new business um correspondence or referral to

[0:01:26] Voice 13: So we'll go under 14.3. Anything else? Okay.

[0:01:33] Voice 13: We'll take it by general consent that the

[0:01:36] Voice 13: agenda be adopted as amended. And so now we have our town hall. I'll pause just to, okay,

[0:01:47] Voice 13: Okay, we are live streaming. That's great. Great.

[0:01:53] Voice 13: Thanks. Thank you. So if we have any, I don't believe we have any online participants, we'll open town hall. If anybody in the room wishes to address the local trust committee, but you will have an opportunity when your application is being considered to discuss it and answer any questions.

[0:02:12] Voice 13: so you don't have to speak now but if you wanted to speak on anything else now would be your

[0:02:18] Voice 13: opportunity i'm

[0:02:24] Voice 3: seeing that is no okay

[0:02:27] Voice 13: quiet meetings with applications yes exactly so we've

[0:02:32] Voice 13: got uh two sets of minutes then uh page four our minutes from october 7th for adoption

[0:02:42] Voice 13: Did those all look all right to you, Pastor?

[0:02:46] Voice 13: Perfect.

[0:02:46] Voice 13: Great.

[0:02:47] Trustee Maude: Very impressive.

[0:02:48] Trustee Maude: Thank you very much.

[0:02:49] Voice 13: And then the minutes of October 28th.

[0:02:51] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:02:51] Voice 13: Excellent.

[0:02:52] Voice 13: Excellent.

[0:02:52] Voice 13: Excellent.

[0:02:53] Voice 13: Yes.

[0:02:53] Voice 13: Lisa, these were incredible minutes.

[0:02:56] Voice 13: You captured so much of that beautiful workshop.

[0:02:59] Voice 13: And

[0:02:59] Voice 10: it was a really, really wholesome conversation.

[0:03:02] Voice 13: So I'll take it by general consent, the minutes of October 7th, 2024 and the minutes of October

[0:03:09] Voice 13: 28th, 2024 be adopted.

[0:03:13] Voice 13: And so moving into our follow-up action list, and just because of some recent learning of mine about committee work,

[0:03:28] Voice 13: I have been informed by staff that if something is still on the follow-up action list, they will be doing it.

[0:03:34] Voice 13: So this is actually our opportunity to remove things if they're no longer relevant or change direction or address, you know, any questions.

[0:03:45] Voice 13: So, is

[0:03:46] Voice 3: there anything you need to discuss?

[0:03:49] Voice 10: We could remove the one about the dog park.

[0:03:51] Voice 10: It could come off. Originally I was going to write a letter.

[0:03:54] Voice 10: And then community members have somewhat taken it over, but not really run with it.

[0:03:59] Voice 10: But now that the trail builders have removed all of their structures off that property, hopefully people interested in the dog park will get back to work on the project.

[0:04:11] Voice 10: So I don't think at some point they might want to let it in the trust case or a two-piece.

[0:04:17] Voice 10: I think we should take it off.

[0:04:18] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:04:19] Voice 13: So let's remove...

[0:04:20] Voice 10: They're hoping to use that property as a dog, as a dog park.

[0:04:26] Voice 10: Great.

[0:04:27] Voice 13: Does it say in progress, nurses, has there been anything?

[0:04:30] Voice 13: There's been no progress.

[0:04:31] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:04:32] Voice 13: So

[0:04:32] Voice 3: let's just take

[0:04:33] Voice 13: it by general.

[0:04:34] Voice 13: It's a new

[0:04:35] Voice 3: feature I found.

[0:04:38] Voice 13: It's like, do I like the toggle button?

[0:04:40] Voice 13: Is that in progress?

[0:04:41] Voice 13: No problem. Yes.

[0:04:42] Voice 13: Okay, so we'll remove item 9.1. The potential

[0:04:47] Voice 13: letter two is buried.

[0:04:57] Voice 13: This one arise from the 29th of July. You know, the

[0:05:01] Voice 13: Conservancy of potential land trust.

[0:05:05] Voice 13: We had had some conversation. I

[0:05:09] Voice 12: expect I plan on meeting the new

[0:05:15] Voice 12: year come over and meet

[0:05:17] Voice 10: with various groups and there there there is interest there's increasingly

[0:05:23] Voice 10: property owners who misses their recreational property not their permit in terms of wanting

[0:05:30] Voice 10: to turn over their land to either the conservancy it's becoming clear over time that if we had a

[0:05:38] Voice 10: land trust that we invited to withhold land that there is

[0:05:42] Voice 10: actually going to be properties

[0:05:44] Voice 10: going into that which is good so yes so i think so do you have a

[0:05:48] Voice 10: chat with

[0:05:49] Voice 13: gabriel island has

[0:05:50] Voice 13: a community land trust nonprofit society that yeah yeah

[0:05:56] Voice 12: great so there's some good there's

[0:05:58] Voice 12: some good examples in the trust area yeah so

[0:06:01] Voice 12: so yeah i can say i think new year probably end of

[0:06:03] Voice 12: january or so i'll come over and try to organize meetings

[0:06:06] Voice 10: with folks and that would kind of tie

[0:06:09] Voice 10: into the app group and the

[0:06:11] Voice 10: alliance club and a few other groups who maybe could work together

[0:06:16] Voice 10: or need some sort of housing trust totally

[0:06:19] Voice 11: it's

[0:06:21] Voice 13: a great idea um that letter to crd director paul

[0:06:25] Voice 13: brent about followed years um yes

[0:06:28] Voice 10: i haven't followed up on that yet there's going to be

[0:06:31] Voice 10: a meeting with the security of the new community i'm sure it's happening i haven't heard you back

[0:06:37] Voice 10: yet on whether they need a letter so it's going to get lost but i know that they're still working

[0:06:45] Voice 10: we're trying to get the actual capital regional district to change on the

[0:06:48] Voice 10: fall of the year like

[0:06:49] Voice 10: they're going to be kind of just in the crd area so we're kind of seeing something

[0:06:57] Voice 10: that's always on a more a more government level rather than just all the volunteers

[0:07:05] Voice 10: does

[0:07:06] Voice 13: there need to be more education on and you know we've done a lot of advocacy but

[0:07:15] Voice 13: the effects of that would be well

[0:07:17] Voice 10: i think the conservancy has headed that i

[0:07:21] Voice 10: don't think there's

[0:07:21] Voice 10: any problem understanding what the problem is accessing funding it's about getting some money

[0:07:27] Voice 10: consistent funding to put in place a consistent program so that's where the

[0:07:32] Voice 10: valid maybe israeli has flattered for a long time trying to get a promise to acknowledge

[0:07:43] Voice 10: it's an ongoing issue education website brochures meetings um there's actually going to be

[0:07:52] Voice 10: an actual deer processing workshop through with adam samson who was one of our crd hunters that

[0:08:01] Voice 10: a CRD funded for a couple of years, so we're approaching from very different angles, but

[0:08:07] Voice 10: none of it is cohesively coming together under a single sort of funded, structured committee.

[0:08:13] Voice 10: Our committee, our fellow committee, is strictly ad hoc volunteers, which is good.

[0:08:18] Voice 10: I mean, we have some really good people on the front desk.

[0:08:21] Voice 10: There you are, Shari.

[0:08:22] Voice 13: Thank you for that.

[0:08:28] Voice 13: So if there's nothing else, we'll call it back to you next.

[0:08:31] Voice 13: Good.

[0:08:31] Voice 13: Good. We can move into our applications today, which is often the new substance of our work.

[0:08:40] Voice 13: So PLD VP 2024

[0:08:44] Voice 11: -0220, Scott, I guess we could just call you by your name.

[0:08:55] Voice 13: Liz, Nerissa, are you with us?

[0:08:57] Voice 3: Yeah, I can speak to these.

[0:08:58] Voice 13: Yeah, okay. Great.

[0:09:00] Voice 12: And I did get the chance to visit both properties last week, yeah so the first one, Scott Scott

[0:09:12] Voice 12: Scott Scott is, so this is a variance on the height of the proposed accessory building,

[0:09:20] Voice 12: and so the variance is on the structure is to prevent a

[0:09:29] Voice 12: from five meters that's 16.5 feet to 7.6 meters and 25.1 feet and the the building itself is the

[0:09:44] Voice 12: property and building is that it will be close to the house it's quite a large property at the top

[0:09:52] Voice 12: the hills where the building is located and the height difference won't appear to have any impact

[0:10:04] Voice 12: on neighboring properties. It appears to be a reasonable proposal. It doesn't challenge the

[0:10:14] Voice 12: and there has been no um nobody

[0:10:20] Voice 10: speaking out against it and one neighbor uh supported okay

[0:10:25] um

[0:10:27] Voice 13: so yeah sorry um yeah do you wish to um speak to your application that we have your

[0:10:38] Voice 13: letter of rationale and yeah

[0:10:41] Voice 3: i think we

[0:10:41] Voice 13: just wanted to draw your attention to the model

[0:10:44] Voice 13: that's down there um it uh yeah sometimes it's easier to see it in uh real life rather than on

[0:10:50] Voice 13: the flat lines and also uh just a couple of additional comments um the the sloped roof is

[0:10:57] Voice 13: also uh beneficial for water collection which is critical for the for the site there and uh

[0:11:03] Voice 13: and it also provides uh northern daylight through the skylights uh um for the for the use which is

[0:11:11] Voice 13: creation of art but uh yeah and certainly if you have any other questions we're happy to answer

[0:11:18] Voice 13: themselves

[0:11:18] Voice 3: um

[0:11:22] Voice 13: just

[0:11:24] Voice 10: to see if you have any questions

[0:11:26] Voice 10: nobody have any questions i guess just

[0:11:27] Voice 10: sort of to clarify the bylaw it would our bylaw would apply to like a half acre lot

[0:11:33] Voice 10: but because you have such a large piece of property obviously there's no impact on anyone

[0:11:38] Voice 10: when you switch it to your property at the top.

[0:11:41] Voice 3: The bylaws

[0:11:42] Voice 10: are just created for this huge spread

[0:11:44] Voice 10: of property potential sizes.

[0:11:49] Voice 13: And there's no subdivision.

[0:11:52] Voice 3: I mean, there's

[0:11:54] Voice 10: subdivision potential.

[0:11:55] Voice 10: The influence zone is the highest level of stream.

[0:11:59] Voice 10: I think it's very complicated to subdivide this property.

[0:12:03] Voice 10: So very complicated and expensive.

[0:12:06] Voice 6: Yeah, my plan is just to live there full-time and not to subdivide the property.

[0:12:15] Voice 6: The studio that I work in now has walls that are sort of 15 feet tall and I use natural

[0:12:23] Voice 6: light and for me it's good because that's sort of like gallery and museum conditions.

[0:12:27] Voice 6: So it's how I've been used to working, bigger studio in the city that I'll vacate, but also I wanted to put it kind of private and amongst the trees.

[0:12:41] Voice 6: So I know no one will be able to see it up there and that height doesn't enable any kind of mezzanine or anything.

[0:12:50] Voice 6: It's just to have higher wall heights in the working parts in the studio.

[0:13:07] Voice 13: So I'm

[0:13:08] Voice 10: happy with the information if somebody wants to move that the main island local trust

[0:13:13] Voice 10: committee of conditions and development variance permit plbp 2024 zero two two oh i'll second

[0:13:25] Trustee Maude: second

[0:13:25] Voice 13: minutes any discussion on the motion well

[0:13:28] Trustee Maude: i guess i certainly just want to concur with trustee

[0:13:31] Trustee Maude: dogs you know sometimes rules are sort of made for one thing and don't don't really necessarily

[0:13:37] Trustee Maude: apply to something like this with a huge lot but that said really appreciate the location

[0:13:42] Trustee Maude: and sort of the lowest possible impact

[0:13:46] Trustee Maude: for a structure of this style.

[0:13:48] Trustee Maude: And I know also on another note is

[0:13:52] Trustee Maude: I understand the former property owner's family

[0:13:57] Trustee Maude: is just so impressed with what you've done up there.

[0:13:59] Trustee Maude: A lot

[0:14:00] Voice 6: of fire mitigation.

[0:14:02] Voice 6: Yeah, it used to be, if you'd go up on the top there,

[0:14:05] Voice 6: it's about eight acres.

[0:14:06] Voice 6: That's fairly flat.

[0:14:07] Voice 6: You couldn't see out through the trees.

[0:14:11] Voice 6: and now it's

[0:14:12] Voice 6: you can see all the different

[0:14:16] Voice 6: views through

[0:14:17] Voice 6: active paths and stuff

[0:14:18] Voice 6: and it's

[0:14:21] Voice 6: yeah, by hand

[0:14:22] Voice 6: a lot of it's

[0:14:25] Voice 6: just been clearing it up there

[0:14:29] Voice 6: I love it up there

[0:14:32] Voice 10: yeah, and wanting

[0:14:34] Voice 6: to be able to keep it

[0:14:35] Voice 6: you know, not subdued

[0:14:37] Voice 6: they said the potential was for

[0:14:41] Voice 6: mining

[0:14:42] Voice 6: or foresting or subdivision or or camping ground

[0:14:47] Voice 6: so it's helped that I

[0:14:50] Voice 6: mean with the neighbors and everything too so I just want to keep it intact as

[0:14:58] Voice 6: possible

[0:14:59] Voice 3: okay

[0:15:02] Voice 13: so we'll call for the vote all those in favor that is carries congratulations

[0:15:08] Voice 9: thank you

[0:15:10] Voice 13: for bringing in a live volume that's the first time that i've ever seen

[0:15:14] Voice 13: a lot of brought in appreciate the attention to detail and it does give evidence that you are

[0:15:22] Voice 13: caring for the lab just as

[0:15:23] Voice 10: much as well you have enough in terms of the

[0:15:26] Voice 10: the day the trust committee meets we'll gladly come up yes you might have

[0:15:31] Voice 6: a three or four years

[0:15:33] Voice 6: dance and there are a lot of nice things about you and and david

[0:15:41] Voice 13: very sage

[0:15:44] Voice 10: people that are coming are looking at you behind yeah yeah especially when

[0:15:49] Voice 10: it's really important

[0:15:54] Voice 13: move on to the next one then um so dbp 2024 0 2 2 1

[0:16:02] Voice 12: yeah so uh again i was able to visit the

[0:16:07] Voice 12: property um and so there's there's uh there are four

[0:16:11] Voice 10: very quick that

[0:16:13] Voice 10: i may have listed in this

[0:16:14] Voice 10: stage.

[0:16:14] Voice 12: One is for the setback, the rear lot line for what's identified as a shed to be

[0:16:28] Voice 12: varied from 8.0 meters to 8.9 meters. There is a what's being identified as a carport

[0:16:43] Voice 12: port and that setback is being that that setback is being varied from uh 3.3 meters to 0.9 meters

[0:16:55] Voice 12: and uh and then there's an additional uh there's additional variants on the

[0:16:59] Voice 12: identified as the shelter and that's a variance from 8 meters to 6.15 meters and in addition to

[0:17:09] Voice 12: to those variances on the siding, there's also a variance to allow an additional accessory

[0:17:18] Voice 12: building, so from two to three accessories.

[0:17:26] Voice 13: And the applicants are here. So any comments on the application?

[0:17:37] Voice 7: um that's how we bought it 10 years ago so we didn't do anything and uh we were

[0:17:45] Voice 7: nipped by mr watson because we put a new roof on the one that's nearest the road

[0:17:51] Voice 7: we didn't like that so here we are so we so the variance initially was just for that and then um

[0:18:00] Voice 7: Phil Testamale suggested that we, when he looked at the survey, made a variance for all the

[0:18:12] Voice 10: deviations.

[0:18:12] Voice 7: So that's what we've done.

[0:18:16] Voice 10: Chris was saying these are all built before the trust.

[0:18:20] Voice 10: All the structures were there before 1974. These are all structures.

[0:18:25] Voice 7: I have a document that shows

[0:18:26] Voice 7: it was finished building in 1972 and the purchase the property was purchased in 1970. do you want to

[0:18:33] Voice 7: see it yeah no no no it's

[0:18:37] Trustee Maude: just interesting yeah

[0:18:38] Voice 10: yeah history

[0:18:40] Trustee Maude: has caught up with you

[0:18:41] Trustee Maude: is that history has caught up with you well

[0:18:43] Voice 10: then it just makes it all meet and try to be for the

[0:18:49] Voice 10: future so

[0:18:49] Voice 13: yes um i don't have any questions i mean it will bring the property into conformance

[0:19:00] Voice 13: the only sort of warning issue on this is that the cabin may be subjected to the property size

[0:19:10] Voice 13: and lock them in a cottage right so um as long as you're aware of that and um yes i

[0:19:18] Voice 11: think

[0:19:19] Voice 13: that's

[0:19:20] Voice 13: well

[0:19:21] Voice 7: there's maybe another thing i was going to say is i think in a funny way

[0:19:24] Voice 7: we got caught by chris because i was actually trying to make the concert look better

[0:19:32] Voice 7: when i started started with the roof and then i put some cedar doors on it and i was gonna and

[0:19:38] Voice 7: I've got all the rest of it just to put some nice cedar siding around all of it but it's been sat

[0:19:42] Voice 7: there for a year now.

[0:19:43] Voice 10: It's level with the road so it's like

[0:19:46] Voice 11: you never see the

[0:19:47] Voice 10: house which is

[0:19:48] Voice 10: down quite low so it's right on the main road and it yeah it was pretty shabby looking before

[0:19:53] Voice 10: now now that you've cleaned it up yeah unfortunately.

[0:19:57] Voice 7: And I'm not finished.

[0:19:59] Voice 10: I

[0:20:00] Voice 7: had to stop. I

[0:20:01] Voice 10: know you sat until you get there and you don't have a building for me

[0:20:08] Voice 10: the end or will you get one after the bearers

[0:20:10] Voice 7: is waiting for this okay

[0:20:11] Voice 10: yes so that's a good thing

[0:20:13] Voice 10: yeah

[0:20:13] Voice 7: so

[0:20:14] Voice 13: it is a bit of a pain to yeah i have to send you around the room everything takes

[0:20:19] Voice 13: longer yeah

[0:20:20] Voice 10: okay i

[0:20:21] Voice 13: moved on the

[0:20:22] Voice 10: main island local trust community through the issuance

[0:20:24] Voice 10: of development variance permit pldbp 2024 oh 221 red cell okay second about trustee

[0:20:34] Voice 10: week long.

[0:20:35] Voice 13: We have a discussion. Call for the vote. All those in favour? That is carried.

[0:20:42] Voice 13: Congratulations. You also have your permit and can get your building permits.

[0:20:47] Voice 13: We'll

[0:20:47] Voice 7: tell Chris. Do you tell Chris already?

[0:20:50] Voice 12: Yeah. He'll get a message probably the next day or so.

[0:20:57] Trustee Maude: So we don't want to keep you guys.

[0:21:07] Voice 10: we just

[0:21:09] Trustee Maude: don't want any witnesses

[0:21:10] Trustee Maude: but

[0:21:11] Voice 10: you can watch it later on

[0:21:21] Voice 10: and unfortunately

[0:21:23] Voice 10: thank

[0:21:23] Voice 3: you

[0:21:25] Voice 10: thank you

[0:21:27] Voice 3: thanks

[0:21:31] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:21:32] Voice 3: That worked for me.

[0:21:34] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:21:35] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:21:39] Voice 3: Well.

[0:21:45] Voice 13: So, moving back to our agenda, we have results regarding the

[0:21:54] Voice 13: proposed bylaws 538 and 539

[0:21:58] Voice 13: for referral, or sorry, for bonds.

[0:22:02] Voice 13: I'm

[0:22:02] Voice 10: guessing our interests are not affected.

[0:22:04] Voice 10: I'm just curious, Dave, what is legalized pre-existing? Was it not zoned from a fairy journal?

[0:22:13] Voice 10: Yes.

[0:22:14] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:22:16] Voice 11: We

[0:22:16] Voice 10: have to legalize the existing journal use. Very interesting.

[0:22:22] Voice 10: But

[0:22:22] Trustee Maude: I really, at one of these, I do want us to make a motion that our interests are affected because I want to know what the pushback will be.

[0:22:29] Trustee Maude: Exactly.

[0:22:32] Trustee Maude: But let's not pick this one.

[0:22:33] Voice 13: No, we're on imposter.

[0:22:35] Voice 13: deadline anyway so um

[0:22:36] Voice 13: though somebody moved that the main island uh local trust committee's

[0:22:41] Voice 13: interests are not affected or unaffected by the bylaw and i don't think we need the resolution

[0:22:47] Voice 13: we'll just return that by general

[0:22:50] Voice 13: consent by general consent thank you

[0:22:57] Voice 13: it's a very quiet meeting yeah

[0:22:59] Voice 11: exciting

[0:23:01] Voice 13: yeah building projects

[0:23:07] Voice 13: We did

[0:23:09] Voice 12: meet with the CID staff, Justine and Steven, and just about the site at the end

[0:23:20] Voice 12: of Wooddale, and it seemed they had a geotechnical study done and there's a limited area that

[0:23:32] Voice 12: would actually be possible but that doesn't mean that we can't rezone it

[0:23:42] Voice 9: because I mean

[0:23:43] Voice 12: I mean it just means there'd have to be some more study and some work and all of those things

[0:23:49] Voice 12: doesn't mean to say we can't rezone it for housing and so I do have a proposed resolution for you

[0:23:57] Voice 12: which is that you direct staff to connect with CRD staff regarding adding the rezoning of the

[0:24:10] Voice 12: CRD property on Wooddale to the housing department. I'll lose that. Lisa

[0:24:17] Voice 13: can't really hear, and if

[0:24:20] Voice 13: If your staff is not speaking at the camera, so direct staff to connect with CRD staff regarding

[0:24:28] Voice 13: uh

[0:24:29] Voice 11: -huh, adding to the CRD coverage for housing to the housing project.

[0:24:40] Voice 10: And I so I can use that motion.

[0:24:43] Voice 13: Uh, Wooddale to the housing project.

[0:24:48] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:24:49] Voice 13: So, Trustee Dodds directs staff to connect with CRD staff regarding adding the rezoning of the CRD property at Wooddale to the housing project.

[0:24:59] Voice 13: Excellent.

[0:25:00] Voice 13: Moved.

[0:25:01] Voice 13: Seconded by Trustee Maud.

[0:25:03] Voice 13: Any discussion?

[0:25:05] Voice 10: I just have one more question.

[0:25:06] Voice 10: So if at some point, obviously, we get it rezoned, and at some point with the CRD, then would we be able to subdivide that off and give it to a land trust?

[0:25:17] Voice 10: Because while that's not a huge amount of land, it could become some kind of community housing facility, probably small.

[0:25:26] Voice 10: Yeah, that

[0:25:26] Voice 10: would be something

[0:25:26] Voice 12: that would need to be discussed with the CRD.

[0:25:29] Voice 12: yeah and then again also yeah the

[0:25:31] Voice 12: space is the actual area would be limited more to that

[0:25:35] Voice 12: that's

[0:25:36] Voice 10: right yeah so and i'm still thinking that if if we actually if it was actually then turned

[0:25:41] Voice 10: over to the main island whatever housing options group then they could go in and do something maybe

[0:25:49] Voice 10: creative with with a double story or or something that was built as a community project or brought

[0:25:56] Voice 10: in Nimco Brothers House or something, but that would be a discussion

[0:26:00] Voice 12: with the CID.

[0:26:01] Voice 10: Uh huh. Okay. But

[0:26:03] Voice 12: yeah, so it wouldn't need to go through that.

[0:26:07] Voice 4: Okay. Yeah, so that would be also a consideration to make sure that that property is zoned so that

[0:26:14] Voice 4: it can be. Yeah,

[0:26:16] Voice 10: so water line is there. Is there. Yeah. Yeah.

[0:26:21] Voice 12: And so I guess further to that, I just add that I'm starting to work through the implementation

[0:26:29] Voice 12: option list that we have.

[0:26:33] Voice 12: And so by the next meeting, I hope to have some items for discussion and some draft language

[0:26:42] Voice 12: on some of the topics.

[0:26:46] Voice 11: Wow.

[0:26:47] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:26:48] Voice 11: Yeah,

[0:26:48] Voice 12: and it's really quite interesting because I'm also working on the Denman project and on the Gabriel OCP, so I'm working through the health effects for Gabriel, and so there's a real opportunity to have some consistency, which is really great.

[0:27:05] Voice 12: A number of the options are similar across the three, so some efficiencies are

[0:27:12] Voice 3: being

[0:27:14] Voice 12: recognized through this regional planning approach.

[0:27:16] Voice 12: That's

[0:27:17] Voice 13: great. Regional planning approach providing efficiency makes me very happy.

[0:27:23] Voice 13: Yes. So we didn't vote on that resolution. All those in favor? And that is carried.

[0:27:33] Voice 13: So we will expect an update at our next LTC meeting which will be discussed whether it's

[0:27:40] Voice 13: January February and yeah just want to thank everyone again for their work on

[0:27:48] Voice 13: this the housing options quite

[0:27:50] Voice 9: amazing pulling

[0:27:54] Voice 13: a lot together here mm-hmm okay

[0:27:59] Voice 13: any other questions or discussion on housing project no

[0:28:04] Voice 12: unless there are

[0:28:05] Voice 12: questions from trustees okay

[0:28:10] Voice 3: well this

[0:28:17] Voice 13: is very fascinating so we have our active projects report

[0:28:23] Voice 13: and future projects list if anybody wants to take a gander um applications report it says verbal

[0:28:33] Voice 13: um is there anything to update i've seen a new format for the applications report on gabriola

[0:28:41] Voice 13: and it's quite it's quite a bit more detailed than when we're used to seeing yeah

[0:28:48] Voice 12: i mean i

[0:28:48] Voice 12: think the only thing that i would um report for that the uh rezoning proceeds on point

[0:28:54] Voice 12: i think you'll be seeing that this year it's uh yeah so they've been doing good work um you know

[0:29:02] Voice 12: we did get the approval from they got the approval from agriculture um to move to exempt that one one

[0:29:09] Voice 12: one portion and so they've sort of done their work so we just need to get that

[0:29:15] Voice 12: so it could be it could be the January or February meeting that you see okay

[0:29:23] Voice 13: great oh and sorry you wanted to I believe you said that there might be an

[0:29:34] Voice 13: update on the land availability oh

[0:29:38] Voice 12: the suitable and

[0:29:38] Voice 13: the suit of the land

[0:29:39] Voice 13: analysis sorry yeah

[0:29:41] Voice 12: so that also I'm hoping we'll get in the new year so

[0:29:44] Voice 12: So unfortunately, you know, there has been some staff challenges, like changes in the IT department.

[0:29:53] Voice 12: And so we've been able to contract back.

[0:30:00] Voice 12: a fellow who did the original, who did the bulk of the work.

[0:30:04] Voice 12: So basically the status of the suitable land analysis

[0:30:08] Voice 12: is that the bulk of the work is done.

[0:30:10] Voice 12: It's just bringing it into a presentation,

[0:30:13] Voice 12: like basically putting it into the PDFs so it's understandable.

[0:30:17] Voice 12: And there's a whole process that needs to happen there.

[0:30:20] Voice 12: And because of the changes, the staff challenges with IT,

[0:30:25] Voice 12: we didn't have somebody designated to be able to move that forward

[0:30:29] Voice 12: in a timely way and so the person who was who did the bulk of the work is coming back to finish that

[0:30:36] Voice 12: piece

[0:30:37] Voice 13: so

[0:30:38] Voice 12: he should be on board with us i understood from william that the contract was

[0:30:42] Voice 12: uh in process to be signed so he should be on board by you know within the next week or so i

[0:30:49] Voice 12: were hoping

[0:30:49] Voice 9: um

[0:30:50] Voice 12: so definitely in the new year we'll be able to have that that available to present

[0:30:56] Voice 12: and that'll be important in terms of identifying

[0:30:59] Voice 12: where you want to expand flex housing and such.

[0:31:03] Voice 10: And is that primarily water availability or also like...

[0:31:07] Voice 12: It's everything.

[0:31:08] Voice 12: It's sensitive ecosystems, it's steep slopes,

[0:31:11] Voice 12: it's road proximity, endangered species.

[0:31:16] Voice 12: So all of the data that we have available to us is on the map.

[0:31:21] Voice 13: Wow.

[0:31:22] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:31:23] Voice 12: yeah

[0:31:24] Voice 13: pdfs it's too bad we can't get an interactive you know that's

[0:31:30] Voice 12: what we're hoping

[0:31:30] Voice 13: for going oh

[0:31:32] Voice 13: yeah i thought you said print out pdfs that would be usable but if we're also that can be layered

[0:31:37] Voice 13: yeah i see very cool yeah

[0:31:42] Voice 12: okay

[0:31:44] Voice 13: um is there any scope in this project to do

[0:31:50] Voice 13: or any desire in the LTC yet I just haven't heard of this discussed anywhere but of doing a count

[0:31:59] Voice 13: or a confidential survey of people who are living in insecure or or non-conforming houses

[0:32:07] Voice 13: so that if if you had some numbers eventually you know where

[0:32:12] Voice 13: people are shifting into

[0:32:14] Voice 13: areas where we have more housing availability we don't actually know how many people are living

[0:32:20] Voice 13: and securely right now that you probably could tell you probably yeah

[0:32:26] Voice 10: it's not a very big island

[0:32:28] Voice 10: and it's also ever-changing people come and go

[0:32:31] Voice 10: into different situations and it's also your

[0:32:33] Voice 10: definition of of whatever you call an unsuitable housing and kind of chocolate because the ones

[0:32:39] Voice 10: that some would consider shocking i mean the people it said the people that are living in

[0:32:44] Voice 10: those actually own the land that they're living on so right when dale is so so i think we'd have

[0:32:50] Voice 10: to have the criteria of what but at some point once we've done you know you've got the land

[0:32:56] Voice 10: analysts done and you know which parcels where you want to increase density and you've gone

[0:33:02] Voice 10: through every option of trying to get the habitat for humanity and get projects happening at some

[0:33:07] Voice 10: point we should yes see you know where people are at in terms of what they're looking for housing

[0:33:14] Voice 10: and what they're do they know what their options are i think it's a bit premature right now we're

[0:33:19] Voice 10: also going through this shift like what happened with COVID was property values doubled more than

[0:33:24] Voice 10: doubled and people moved in and now people are starting to move out so more rentals will come

[0:33:31] Voice 10: on the market so you go through these ups and up ebbs and flows um the other issue here was that

[0:33:36] Voice 10: the rental market then of course because the housing doubled then the rentals doubled so

[0:33:41] Voice 4: it'd

[0:33:41] Voice 10: be harder to get rentals um the affordability factor is quite but I think that will drop because

[0:33:47] Voice 10: there isn't the property demand um now i think property values will start to drop and also

[0:33:52] Voice 10: what people bought um they've moved on and they're going to put those up so i think we've got lots of

[0:33:58] Voice 10: changes happening but maybe a year from now i think it would be premature to do that right

[0:34:03] Voice 11: but

[0:34:03] Voice 10: we also need to know what the criteria is what we consider i mean

[0:34:10] Voice 10: i don't want to be on camera but we know some of the spots there are places we wouldn't want

[0:34:15] Voice 10: to be living in and but the people are like happy and could actually probably afford to live in like

[0:34:21] Voice 10: real life and choose not to so it's the style of how that how they're living right um but i don't

[0:34:26] Voice 10: believe that there's a whole lot of people who are like desperately badly living in tents or

[0:34:32] Voice 10: and if

[0:34:33] Voice 3: they're living in

[0:34:33] Voice 10: tents and trailers they just moved here that's

[0:34:36] Voice 10: my feeling as

[0:34:36] Voice 10: because Dave tours the whole island, I do it a whole lot.

[0:34:41] Voice 3: The

[0:34:42] Voice 10: pressures, even liveaboards, I don't think anyone's on boats right now.

[0:34:47] Voice 3: Because that's where

[0:34:48] Voice 10: you see it build up over time.

[0:34:50] Voice 10: So I think we're going through a bit of a shift back

[0:34:53] Voice 10: to where people are all finding spaces to be.

[0:34:58] Voice 13: So I guess there's two, and I'm just thinking of all the different communities

[0:35:03] Voice 13: and our different housing projects is a good point,

[0:35:06] Voice 13: is when do you count or assess the situation because the housing needs assessments are not

[0:35:11] Voice 13: necessarily going to give us real-time qualitative data because those people won't self-report or

[0:35:17] Voice 13: they're not on surveys

[0:35:18] Voice 13: so the two things that i'd be interested in is insecure housing situation

[0:35:25] Voice 13: where people are say living in their rv and it's not their land so there

[0:35:30] Voice 13: isn't a permanent tenancy

[0:35:31] Voice 13: the peace and then the non-conforming or the unsuitable housing conditions so i don't know

[0:35:39] Voice 13: on some islands it's it's important to actually understand how many people because if you're

[0:35:45] Voice 13: going to shift insecure living situations into secure ones and you're playing with numbers it

[0:35:52] Voice 13: kind of is important to know how many are you actually potentially housing and are they just

[0:36:00] Voice 13: shifting from non-conforming into long-term rentals or actual houses or are you just adding

[0:36:05] Voice 13: to the population who are moving here from somewhere else i don't know i'm no social

[0:36:10] Voice 13: scientist it's a very hard thing to figure out

[0:36:12] Voice 8: it's

[0:36:13] Voice 12: it's uh it's important data that requires

[0:36:17] Voice 12: uh a really organized process and and resources yeah so

[0:36:22] Voice 12: that's the key right now we have resources

[0:36:25] Voice 12: to do just a very statistical-based needs assessment.

[0:36:32] Voice 12: And so we've got the consultant engaged in that.

[0:36:38] Voice 12: We've been talking to the CRD has a survey

[0:36:42] Voice 12: that they're wanting to roll out the CRD in the islands

[0:36:47] Voice 12: and CRD that is more qualitative.

[0:36:48] Voice 12: uh and we're we've been talking to to them about um maybe um making that part of the process that

[0:36:58] Voice 12: we have our consultant involved in

[0:36:59] Voice 13: okay um

[0:37:00] Voice 12: because they they might be facilitating that piece i don't

[0:37:03] Voice 12: know that it gets to the detail

[0:37:05] Voice 13: that

[0:37:06] Voice 12: depth of detail though that's so that i mean you know

[0:37:10] Voice 12: salt spring does their homeless count i mean again it's really all about resources and being

[0:37:15] Voice 12: able to

[0:37:15] Voice 12: resource that there's an opportunity to talk to the main island housing society

[0:37:20] Voice 12: about the use of their about using some of their housing navigators time to do that type of work

[0:37:26] Voice 12: so that would be that would be a resource that could do that potentially for main island yeah

[0:37:31] Voice 10: i mean you speak about housing security none of the rentals are purpose still rentals right so

[0:37:37] Voice 10: no

[0:37:38] Voice 3: one in a

[0:37:38] Voice 10: rental has any kind of security that's the reality there's constant shifting the moving

[0:37:44] Voice 10: be either the tendency or the homeowner decides to move in these are not

[0:37:49] Voice 10: purpose-built so that's

[0:37:51] Voice 10: the biggest issue we've always had is there's no purpose-built and there's no purpose-built

[0:37:55] Voice 10: trailer RV park mobile home park right people

[0:37:59] Voice 10: have that security and I don't even know that

[0:38:01] Voice 10: people have security in rental units in the city anymore because they get the renovation so

[0:38:06] Voice 10: so you're always living with that unknown of what's going to be there so there's also that

[0:38:13] Voice 10: or if that impact on people's lives very much so yeah

[0:38:17] Voice 9: but

[0:38:18] Voice 10: there's also the reality because this

[0:38:20] Voice 10: was a conversation i had the posing navigator that if you're coming into a very small community

[0:38:25] Voice 10: a very small stock of housing and if you just come here even if you've been here five years

[0:38:31] Voice 10: you came knowing also that those things were there so it's more our desire is to know whether

[0:38:38] Voice 10: whether this is for the barriers like school staff, health care staff,

[0:38:42] Voice 10: those would be areas that we could ask questions,

[0:38:46] Voice 10: we could ask, you know, who would have the school population,

[0:38:49] Voice 10: the health care population?

[0:38:51] Voice 10: Is that creating problems with desperately needed services as well?

[0:38:57] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:38:58] Voice 10: And that's where CRD and options to

[0:39:00] Voice 13: build

[0:39:01] Voice 10: community housing

[0:39:03] Voice 10: that would be housing more specific people would do.

[0:39:08] Voice 13: well there are some great models coming out of other communities so Cortez Island I was mentioning

[0:39:14] Voice 13: um there's some um yeah just very innovative pieces where I think a non-profit society is

[0:39:22] Voice 13: buying up houses that people are no longer using and turning them into boarding

[0:39:26] Voice 13: homes and kind of managing them um the property management um aspect is is something that I think

[0:39:35] Voice 13: other areas to try okay

[0:39:39] Voice 10: somebody else going back to crd with rural housing funding and stuff um

[0:39:44] Voice 10: that's something where depending on affordable housing society works how long their program is

[0:39:51] Voice 10: with the navigator um perhaps they should be thinking about funding you know a southern

[0:39:56] Voice 10: belt violent property management system that would

[0:40:00] Voice 10: encourage because we know you know part

[0:40:02] Voice 10: of what we all know is a lot of our houses sit empty for a lot of years and if we had a form

[0:40:08] Voice 10: property property management system in place we might see more rentals available

[0:40:13] Voice 10: so that would be that would be relevant yeah

[0:40:16] Voice 11: for

[0:40:17] Voice 10: them to think about funding for all the southern

[0:40:20] Voice 10: islands that you hear uh supplements for cheese because a lot of people they don't

[0:40:26] Voice 10: going to get a tenant, the tenant would have filled out that sort of simple thing. Understanding what

[0:40:32] Voice 10: the landlord's responsibility is and what the tenant's responsibility is. Damage deposits,

[0:40:36] Voice 10: those things mostly don't exist. Lots of stuff.

[0:40:43] Voice 13: Yeah, great, great conversation.

[0:40:46] Voice 13: Anything further on the housing project?

[0:40:49] Voice 8: Sounds excellent.

[0:40:51] Voice 13: We'll look forward to

[0:40:53] Voice 13: to be in suitable land analysis next time.

[0:40:59] Voice 13: So we do have our expenses report.

[0:41:05] Voice 13: There's been some spent on our main minor amendments,

[0:41:10] Voice 13: which that project has wrapped, standard resolutions.

[0:41:18] Voice 13: Okay, so 14.1, oh, sorry.

[0:41:20] Voice 13: Are we in new business, Dan?

[0:41:22] Trustee Maude: You don't know, we have to hear from the chair.

[0:41:24] Voice 13: The chair, the chair.

[0:41:28] Voice 13: we

[0:41:28] Trustee Maude: have no idea what she's been doing okay

[0:41:30] Voice 13: well actually the housing project um it's a nice segue

[0:41:34] Voice 13: to trust council which is coming up next week uh in what's the next week it is victoria

[0:41:42] Voice 13: it's

[0:41:43] Voice 11: quite soon uh

[0:41:45] Voice 13: so trust council is the third fourth and the fifth in victoria

[0:41:50] Voice 13: Victoria. I just want to mention that Justine Stark is presenting as a delegation, one of

[0:41:59] Voice 13: four or five delegations, I believe. I think she's been wanting to present the CRD Rural

[0:42:10] Voice 13: Housing Strategy to Council for a while. We can only give 10 minutes, but I think there's

[0:42:16] Voice 13: an opportunity to have um a longer webinar session and i think that would be really really keen um

[0:42:28] Voice 13: island's trust conservancy board has in the last week um where i would say we're we're struggling

[0:42:37] Voice 13: um the carolyn stewart the manager who's been acting in place of kate emmings i believe is

[0:42:44] Voice 13: is her term is leaving it or she's leaving in January.

[0:42:49] Voice 13: So we're looking for a new manager for that role.

[0:42:53] Voice 13: And we still are not yet at the place of engaging with the First Nations

[0:42:57] Voice 13: on the five-year plan.

[0:43:00] Voice 13: This has been a really outstanding piece of work.

[0:43:06] Voice 13: So I think we're really struggling with capacity issues

[0:43:10] Voice 13: and I'm trying to understand how that board can support the work,

[0:43:16] Voice 13: or maybe we need to rein in our work program.

[0:43:19] Voice 13: We've just had a report on all the ecosystem

[0:43:21] Voice 13: or all the nature reserves and map tips,

[0:43:24] Voice 13: and they're all in pretty good shape.

[0:43:28] Voice 13: Some staff is continuing regular work.

[0:43:32] Voice 13: We have great news from the head office.

[0:43:37] Voice 13: this we've worked for months on hiring the new cao and his first day is today so uh the honest

[0:43:47] Voice 13: trust has a new cao uh ruben brony and maybe you want to share a little bit of no no it's been a

[0:43:57] Voice 13: long process to to get to this place but i know that our interim cao is going to be very relieved

[0:44:02] Voice 13: to have yes

[0:44:03] Voice 13: i want to fill her shoes so she can go back to the spreadsheets um

[0:44:10] Voice 13: trust council committee the whole met on november 6th we had a great discussion

[0:44:18] Voice 13: and so we're continuing these monthly meetings to advance the policy statement amendment project

[0:44:24] Voice 13: it does seem to be taking its time as trustees work our way through the material and it's it is

[0:44:31] Voice 13: very important and so we're going to be considering an amended potential project

[0:44:36] Voice 13: charter again we keep amending it at the next trust council meeting um just to speed it up

[0:44:43] Voice 13: and make sure we finish it before the end of term hopefully that is the hope

[0:44:54] Voice 13: um it's honestly it it has been a busy month not much to report uh i guess from regional

[0:45:03] Voice 13: planning committee um the tiny homes uh exploratory project has received approval we've got a

[0:45:11] Voice 13: um project manager uh close to to being contracted somebody who helped put a project plan together

[0:45:20] Voice 13: and we just had a meeting informal meeting with um rdn director vanessa craig and a few of us

[0:45:29] Voice 13: on the Annans Trust on Friday and Director Craig said this is really well aligned with where they're

[0:45:37] Voice 13: at. We're creating a steering committee of elected officials so there will be some trustees

[0:45:45] Voice 13: and RDN directors and maybe another director who's been working in that space for a long time

[0:45:51] Voice 13: providing support and then referring materials back to our boards but then this

[0:45:58] Voice 13: the technical group is going to be all staff it's going to be planners and building inspectors and

[0:46:04] Voice 13: all that so we're going to focus on gabriela rdn because the rdn is

[0:46:08] Voice 13: ready to go crd is not quite

[0:46:11] Voice 13: there but i'm keeping dusting start up to date and um if we can and we are bringing in paul brent

[0:46:20] Voice 13: as well he's very keen on it so he's going to sit on the steering committee and so hopefully

[0:46:25] Voice 13: there'll be pressure not pressure but incentive politically to the CRD staff

[0:46:32] Voice 13: like building inspection department to participate so we're going to start with

[0:46:36] Voice 13: the RDN and expand outwards and then bring in the CRD so that has a closing

[0:46:43] Voice 13: date of this fiscal end of March we're trying to move quickly and I will add

[0:46:51] Voice 13: from executive committee we heard that the reconciliation learning group will continue

[0:46:58] Voice 13: we had culturally committed hosting this one year of sessions um our senior indigenous relations

[0:47:06] Voice 13: advisor joe elliott is going to he's put together a bit of a program for some cultural safety

[0:47:14] Voice 13: learning for trustees who want to continue in this reconciliation learning group and then we'll

[0:47:21] Voice 13: work on bringing in speakers, probably for the last year of the term, to keep informing

[0:47:27] Voice 13: and transforming our norms. That's it for me. Local trustees, who wants to go first?

[0:47:37] Voice 10: I can't think of a basis. I think maybe we can do this pretty quietly. It's extremely

[0:47:42] Voice 10: quiet this weekend. Barrier

[0:47:45] Voice 10: traffic seems to have dropped. I think construction is finally

[0:47:47] Voice 10: week leveling out after the boom years um haven't haven't had any meetings in the last month so

[0:47:55] Voice 10: nothing to report oh quiet

[0:47:58] Voice 10: no it's not a bad thing phone calls and complaints

[0:48:03] Voice 8: not

[0:48:03] Voice 10: sure what's happening with floats at work today so

[0:48:06] Voice 10: oh i'll chat to you so you know you know it's it's slowed down i think that just uh

[0:48:14] Voice 10: it's a kind of year after

[0:48:17] Voice 10: Thanksgiving's over

[0:48:18] Voice 10: and they've been busy

[0:48:21] Voice 10: with a play so

[0:48:22] Voice 10: definitely taken up a lot

[0:48:24] Voice 10: I wasn't at the play but

[0:48:25] Voice 10: Emily, I

[0:48:26] Voice 10: was in Emily's car

[0:48:27] Voice 10: they had six different

[0:48:30] Voice 10: shows that they did over two weeks

[0:48:32] Voice 10: I think it's taken a huge number of people

[0:48:34] Voice 10: a huge amount

[0:48:35] Voice 10: of time, lots of energy

[0:48:36] Voice 10: and I know it would have been fantastic

[0:48:37] Voice 10: wow

[0:48:39] Voice 10: very cool

[0:48:43] Trustee Maude: I would agree, it's very busy but very quiet

[0:48:46] Trustee Maude: it um it's it's i just said in the context of how my days fill out every day seven days a week

[0:48:53] Trustee Maude: but now i'm thinking back in the last month what have i done with islands trust specific to maine

[0:48:59] Trustee Maude: is it's been a lot of like the feeling the phone calls and the very conversation on not too much

[0:49:04] Trustee Maude: um i will say i'm i'm really really really pleased about this deer processing uh workshop

[0:49:11] Trustee Maude: shot was coming up we i think that got suggested at the very first deer forum 15 18 years ago

[0:49:17] Trustee Maude: at that time the agri society was going to put it on and it's taken that long to

[0:49:22] Trustee Maude: to see it come to fruition but it's it's really good to give people opportunities because

[0:49:30] Trustee Maude: the thing about hunting is the easy part is the actual shooting of the animal the difficult part

[0:49:39] Trustee Maude: is the processing and what this will enable people to do is they'll have the ability for a hunter to

[0:49:45] Trustee Maude: take a deer dump it on somebody's driveway and they take

[0:49:49] Trustee Maude: care of it

[0:49:49] Voice 9: that

[0:49:50] Trustee Maude: makes the hunter's job

[0:49:51] Trustee Maude: so much easier but also that the wide-ranging community benefits it's massive so it's it's

[0:49:58] Trustee Maude: it's a really good win-win thing i'm sad it's taken so long but i'm very pleased that it's

[0:50:04] Trustee Maude: happening and i hope there's going to be a really good uptake on it because it's a good positive

[0:50:09] Trustee Maude: good move when

[0:50:10] Voice 13: when is that workshop happening it's

[0:50:12] Trustee Maude: december 1st i believe like that and also

[0:50:14] Voice 10: be part of what the committee talked about funding was things like having facilities somewhere where

[0:50:21] Voice 10: you could actually do some slaughtering because in the summer you need a cool place to hang so

[0:50:27] Voice 10: there's a lot of barriers even if people are out there if somebody gets multiple multiple banks

[0:50:32] Voice 10: multiple animals then you've got to deal with processing that's a lot of work to do and there's

[0:50:38] Voice 10: nothing wasted um some gorgeous pictures of of the dress hides and there's a desire so there's

[0:50:46] Voice 10: a whole chain of production but it's also people recognizing the relationship with the deer too

[0:50:52] Voice 10: which is not just didn't shoot them and bury them kind of thing it's actually something which first

[0:50:58] Voice 10: nations bring into that whole yeah process

[0:51:01] Voice 10: and so that's if this happens and if they can continue it

[0:51:05] Voice 10: every year would be great um and finally would really help in terms of getting the meat into

[0:51:10] Voice 10: fridges and then into freezers and shared

[0:51:12] Voice 10: out but you cannot sell sell you

[0:51:15] Voice 3: keep

[0:51:16] Voice 10: wanting to have

[0:51:17] Voice 10: fundraisers you're very cautious about that

[0:51:20] Voice 13: so are they modeling it off the galliano food for

[0:51:24] Voice 10: the people i think some of some of that would be what's happening but it's mostly also that

[0:51:29] Voice 10: we really don't have a facility right where people could actually do this in a neat and tidy way

[0:51:36] Voice 10: so

[0:51:37] Voice 13: there's some research to look for uh i keep talking about this because it was such a wonderful

[0:51:42] Voice 13: presentation but dr tara martin from salt spring island um uh her conservation decisions lab at uvc

[0:51:52] Voice 13: publishes papers um based on you know study of of gulf islands ecology and they are finding that

[0:52:00] Voice 13: one of the most significant causes of ecological like depredation it's not

[0:52:08] Voice 13: just the fallow deer

[0:52:09] Voice 13: it's native deer as well hyper abundant deer they're calling it and i think the new paper

[0:52:14] Voice 13: coming out they've done studies of of the most efficient and cost-effective ways of managing deer

[0:52:21] Voice 13: and hunting by Indigenous peoples is by far the most efficient, effective, and the greatest return.

[0:52:32] Voice 13: So I'm really happy to hear this is coming.

[0:52:35] Voice 10: Well, there's going

[0:52:35] Voice 13: to be more

[0:52:36] Voice 10: community because most of the land is private.

[0:52:38] Voice 10: So that's a

[0:52:39] Voice 10: downside for me now that we don't have prime land, just a little bit of reserve land.

[0:52:44] Voice 10: So we have to also have community buy-in.

[0:52:46] Voice 10: that's the big thing understanding what the process is about and then also understanding

[0:52:53] Voice 10: the impact of the environment if you don't and the fact is as you reduce the value as you said

[0:52:58] Voice 10: the black tail but it's a whole pack it's a whole pack

[0:53:01] Voice 10: but it's it's coming in bits and pieces so

[0:53:03] Voice 10: that's exciting it's really good so

[0:53:06] Voice 13: sorry we cut into your report there that

[0:53:09] Trustee Maude: was it

[0:53:10] Voice 13: deer always

[0:53:11] Voice 13: It always

[0:53:11] Trustee Maude: takes us off the picture now, right?

[0:53:13] Trustee Maude: But a good one.

[0:53:14] Voice 13: A good one.

[0:53:16] Voice 13: You looking forward to Trust Council?

[0:53:18] Trustee Maude: I am looking forward to Trust Council.

[0:53:21] Voice 13: It's going to be good.

[0:53:22] Voice 13: Pretty wild.

[0:53:26] Voice 13: Great.

[0:53:27] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:53:28] Voice 13: So that's it for our report.

[0:53:30] Voice 10: I have to say Trust Council,

[0:53:31] Voice 10: but it's not going to be able to get people

[0:53:33] Voice 10: into the meeting in a few days.

[0:53:36] Voice 10: It's going to be a challenge.

[0:53:38] Voice 10: There's lots of issues right now.

[0:53:40] Voice 10: we do hopefully a way we'll be able to sort of get the conversations out and actually move forward

[0:53:48] Voice 10: and hopefully our new ceo will show more

[0:53:51] Voice 13: yes yeah challenging time it is a challenging time

[0:53:56] Voice 13: got lots of lots of stuff stuff to get into and there is like we need to have discussion

[0:54:01] Voice 13: i think that's what the angst is all about is people need to talk and be

[0:54:06] Voice 13: heard and so we got

[0:54:08] Voice 13: got to figure out a facilitated way

[0:54:10] Voice 13: of doing that yeah

[0:54:12] Voice 10: the trust council actually is not for me to

[0:54:15] Voice 13: know it's not the place for it no it's true um so we don't have a conservancy report in this

[0:54:23] Voice 13: agenda um but actually the conservancy chair is going to present briefly a letter um

[0:54:32] Voice 13: and speak to trust council so i believe bowen uh island municipalities mayor as well is coming

[0:54:40] Voice 13: to trust council to address us um and it is over the both of them i believe of the matter of the

[0:54:47] Voice 13: okay so no new business um we have 14.1 this community engagement options for the policy

[0:54:58] Voice 13: statement amendment project have you had a chance to look at it and consider what's appropriate for

[0:55:03] Voice 13: islands we need some feedback i guess for the um well

[0:55:11] Trustee Maude: to me the way when i went through it

[0:55:14] Trustee Maude: you know the it's it's it goes from none to quite a bit of engagement of staff time and such and i

[0:55:23] Trustee Maude: was pretty comfortable like landing on two just basically doing a town hall during our meetings

[0:55:30] Trustee Maude: Um, cause we, it's funny because the last go around the policy statement, our island

[0:55:35] Trustee Maude: was exceptionally engaged.

[0:55:37] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:55:37] Trustee Maude: We had two meetings in the middle of COVID out in Milan out here.

[0:55:42] Trustee Maude: We had a lot of people attend.

[0:55:44] Trustee Maude: Um, and the island was just buzzing about it.

[0:55:48] Trustee Maude: Like, you know, you can go anywhere.

[0:55:49] Trustee Maude: Everybody was engaged.

[0:55:51] Trustee Maude: This go around, I haven't had one person speak to me.

[0:55:55] Voice 3: Wow.

[0:55:56] Trustee Maude: Not one.

[0:55:57] Trustee Maude: And so my assumption is that they were heard through the previous consultation process, what they expressed is incorporated within the policy statement, and they're relatively comfortable with where we've landed.

[0:56:13] Trustee Maude: Because when people engage with you, it tends to be because they're not happy.

[0:56:16] Voice 13: It's controversial.

[0:56:17] Voice 13: And

[0:56:17] Trustee Maude: I'm frankly a little bit shocked from where we were a couple of years ago to where we are today, because I have literally not had one conversation on the policy statement.

[0:56:26] Trustee Maude: so I think we can we can really get whatever feedback is there within a town hall do a good

[0:56:32] Trustee Maude: job of promoting it and all that and maybe there'll be 50 people here okay but

[0:56:36] Trustee Maude: I kind of think not so

[0:56:38] Trustee Maude: the

[0:56:39] Voice 10: trigger was banning docs and misunderstanding what that meant

[0:56:43] Voice 3: and

[0:56:43] Voice 10: that's all it takes is one trigger but sometimes misinformation

[0:56:47] Voice 10: no

[0:56:47] Voice 3: I don't think anyone

[0:56:48] Voice 10: is particularly concerned and what I personally see the policy statement

[0:56:54] Voice 10: I don't see that our community has the advantage, it's a disadvantage to the advantage in that

[0:57:03] Voice 10: we are going to develop a lot of this historical development.

[0:57:08] Voice 10: So there's not like any heavy issues to come in.

[0:57:14] Voice 10: I agree with what Dave said.

[0:57:17] Voice 10: So

[0:57:18] Voice 13: you want to do option two, Spencer, feedback?

[0:57:21] Voice 13: back so

[0:57:22] Trustee Maude: i'll move that main island local trust committee select engagement option two uh for

[0:57:29] Trustee Maude: phase four and community engagement about the new drafts islands trust policy statement excellent

[0:57:34] Voice 13: i

[0:57:35] Trustee Maude: filled in the blanks correctly thank

[0:57:37] Voice 13: you sir well

[0:57:38] Trustee Maude: done well done

[0:57:42] Voice 13: excellent and we've had our discussion anything else all those in favor

[0:57:47] Voice 13: her and that is carried.

[0:57:48] Voice 13: I

[0:57:49] Trustee Maude: will be happy.

[0:57:49] Voice 13: I will be happy.

[0:57:52] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:57:53] Voice 13: And I do see Manager Dingman

[0:57:55] Voice 13: in the background there. So we are

[0:57:57] Voice 13: at our 14.2

[0:57:59] Voice 13: for the staff report on

[0:58:01] Voice 13: bylaw enforcement compliance and

[0:58:03] Voice 13: enforcement policy.

[0:58:05] Voice 13: Thank you so much for preparing

[0:58:07] Voice 13: this for us today. Hi, Warren.

[0:58:12] Voice 13: You're

[0:58:16] Voice 11: there?

[0:58:19] Voice 13: No, I can't hear you.

[0:58:21] Voice 13: Why is it not coming through?

[0:58:23] Voice 13: It's there.

[0:58:23] Trustee Maude: the lights are on and nobody's

[0:58:25] Voice 13: home look like you're muted but nothing's coming through

[0:58:30] Trustee Maude: oh weird

[0:58:31] Voice 13: sometimes if you press your mute on and off again how about that

[0:58:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: oh yeah

[0:58:41] Voice 13: turn it on and off again that's the it tech support number one thing right

[0:58:46] Voice 13: yeah have you turned it off all

[0:58:49] Voice 3: right thank you daphne

[0:58:51] Voice 3: over to you

[0:58:54] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So, Chair, this is a staff report that's been forwarded to the LTC and proposed by-law compliance and enforcement policy.

[0:59:07] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So the purpose of this policy is for reviewing consideration by local trust committee proposals to incorporate all current standing resolutions for compliance and enforcement into a single document and to provide clarity on current policies.

[0:59:20] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: The current policies that we have are the combination of the Trust Council Policy 551, and there's also the standing resolutions that local trust committees adopt.

[0:59:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Within these current policies, there are policies that aren't explicitly stated, such as the notice of site inspections, time to comply, frivolous or vexatious complaints, definition of minor contraventions, and the use of discretion for bylaw staff.

[1:00:00] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: they're ready to take action or close a file so before you as a proposed policy

[1:00:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that will cover i think all of the current issues specific issues for main island

[1:00:16] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: policies regarding whether or not there'll be enforcement on unlawful dwellings uh outhouses

[1:00:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and i have written up a new set of policies for short-term vacation rentals

[1:00:28] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: or when such enforcement will take place

[1:00:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: or not take place on short-term vacation rentals.

[1:00:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And this is the policy that you're being asked to review today.

[1:00:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And it also will have, as I stated,

[1:00:42] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: there will be a vexatious complaint policy

[1:00:44] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: so that if we are dealing with what we believe is a vexatious complaint,

[1:00:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: then we'll be able to close that file based on this policy

[1:00:55] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and not proceed any further

[1:00:56] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: because we believe the complainant is acting either in bad faith

[1:01:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: or retaliatory purposes or doing something frivolous

[1:01:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: when they're complaining against your neighbor.

[1:01:07] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So this is the policy that's being presented to the local trust committee,

[1:01:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and I think overall it addresses all major issues.

[1:01:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It's such policies have now been adopted by Denman, Island, and Gabriola.

[1:01:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So, if Maine decides to proceed, it will be the third local trust committee to proceed with this more standardized compliance and enforcement policy.

[1:01:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: I can take any questions if they're there from the trustees chair.

[1:01:43] Voice 13: Excellent.

[1:01:46] Voice 13: So, yes, we did see this on Gabriel.

[1:01:49] Voice 13: Did you go

[1:01:49] Voice 13: through it and are satisfied?

[1:01:52] Voice 10: I think it's excellent.

[1:01:54] Voice 10: It covers everything.

[1:01:56] Voice 10: I love the vexatious part.

[1:01:58] Voice 10: The only thing I had a question about, and maybe I missed it in here, is initially when there's a bylaw complaint on a property owner, they get a letter in the mail.

[1:02:08] Voice 10: And I just wasn't sure.

[1:02:09] Voice 10: Is the wording of the letter saying we have been or a complaint has been made?

[1:02:14] Voice 10: Like, is it vague enough so people don't immediately get upset?

[1:02:18] Voice 10: I'm just not sure how that process works.

[1:02:22] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Well, Chair, we don't try to make it vague.

[1:02:24] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Try and make it soft.

[1:02:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Okay.

[1:02:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: As in, we notify the property owner that there has been a complaint.

[1:02:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: We summarize the complaint.

[1:02:33] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And then there's a paragraph that says, as there may be a contravention of the land use bylaw or some development permit area in the OCP, we've opened up a file to investigate.

[1:02:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And the letter also, it articulates the mediation policy that's in trust council policy about whether or not the respondent wants to try and engage with the complainant.

[1:02:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: uh and go through some type of mediation process it's not many people subject to complaint want to

[1:03:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: try and go through a form of mediation but the great majority of complainants do not wish to

[1:03:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: engage with the property owner that they're complaining against but though that's what

[1:03:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the letter says we've opened a file for this reason there may be a contravention we're not

[1:03:20] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: making a declaration that there is a contravention we're saying that we're going to investigate the

[1:03:25] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: complaint okay and they're also given the name of a bylaw officer to contact and that's the bylaw

[1:03:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: officer who's been assigned to investigate the complaint and work on the file right thank you

[1:03:37] Voice 10: i wasn't sure how it worked i haven't ever had a lot of complaints just the odd comment i was

[1:03:42] Voice 10: wondering how it was it was done so that sounds good to me i think people i think the full process

[1:03:48] Voice 10: process here in full policy looks very good to me so

[1:03:52] Trustee Maude: question I had you'd spoken about um notice

[1:03:55] Trustee Maude: for for site visits and I don't know is that buried within the bylaw best practices guide

[1:04:03] Trustee Maude: I couldn't see it spelled out it's

[1:04:06] Voice 13: 71 at the bottom yeah

[1:04:08] Trustee Maude: but I'm looking at the actual

[1:04:08] Trustee Maude: the actual policy rather than the so

[1:04:13] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the policy regarding 14 days notice is in section 5 5.2

[1:04:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: yeah okay

[1:04:19] Voice 3: that one yeah

[1:04:20] Trustee Maude: okay because i'm not because i was like at sort of the file of

[1:04:24] Trustee Maude: compliance enforcement stuff in 76 i didn't see that in there so it's it's back here well this

[1:04:30] Trustee Maude: is your main

[1:04:31] Voice 13: island one and that's 5.5.1 which is the trust council one okay

[1:04:36] Trustee Maude: see that's how i get

[1:04:37] Trustee Maude: confused yeah so

[1:04:39] Trustee Maude: that's why i'm not the chair and you are

[1:04:40] Voice 13: this is what you'd be approving today

[1:04:42] Voice 13: and so actually Gabriela has a 30 days notice for inspection and so that may be something

[1:04:51] Voice 13: to consider not that you

[1:04:54] Voice 13: should increase it but just whether there's flex there.

[1:04:58] Voice 13: And I wanted to ask what about provide minimum of 14 so it's 5.2 despite section 2.3 of

[1:05:04] Voice 13: the LUB. What is that? Just because I don't have the land use by-law open right now.

[1:05:10] Voice 13: So

[1:05:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Section 2.3, it's referenced above in Section 3.

[1:05:18] Voice 3: It

[1:05:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: just states what the current law is within the bylaw.

[1:05:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It says that a bylaw officer can come and inspect

[1:05:25] Voice 3: at any

[1:05:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: reasonable time.

[1:05:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So what we've done, and this was actually a recommendation from Robert Kajima,

[1:05:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the regional planning managers, to ensure that everyone knows what is within the land use bylaw.

[1:05:41] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: so that's the current law that says at any reasonable time the bylaw officer

[1:05:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: can come but then by policy you're going to set a 14 days minimum notice despite

[1:05:53] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that section yeah

[1:05:56] Voice 13: okay that's clear now why is the so 5.4 why is the temporary

[1:06:02] Voice 13: use permit conditions different if there's a violation for that that you go

[1:06:07] Voice 13: go in without prior consultation although

[1:06:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: for temporary use permits what is in that section

[1:06:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: is what is with contained one of the conditions within the temporary use permit when they're

[1:06:21] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: issued is that it states that the vital officer can come at any reasonable time to inspect you

[1:06:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: have a different it's an it's an exemption from the norm or the policy because the person has a

[1:06:33] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: a temporary use permit.

[1:06:35] Voice 8: The

[1:06:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: local trust committee could decide

[1:06:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: it doesn't have to be in there.

[1:06:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: They could remove it

[1:06:40] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: or you could change your temporary

[1:06:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: use permit conditions

[1:06:45] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and not have that

[1:06:47] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: in the temporary use permit conditions.

[1:06:50] Voice 10: Okay. The temporary use

[1:06:52] Voice 10: permit is basically a contract.

[1:06:54] Voice 10: It's a much different level.

[1:06:56] Voice 10: Right.

[1:06:57] Voice 10: It's basically.

[1:06:59] Trustee Maude: And if we didn't leave it as is, we'd have to

[1:07:01] Trustee Maude: rewrite all the DUPs.

[1:07:02] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:07:04] Voice 10: I don't think

[1:07:04] Voice 13: that's expected.

[1:07:07] Voice 13: Yeah, that's right.

[1:07:09] Voice 13: And so just a final note, because we didn't remove any of our standing resolutions after

[1:07:16] Voice 13: Gabriela approved its bylaw enforcement policy, would you then go through the standing resolutions

[1:07:23] Voice 13: and delete those, or do we need a representative to direct you to do that?

[1:07:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Well, once the policy is adopted, then yes, the LTC could rescind.

[1:07:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: those standing resolutions but until such time as they adopt the policy uh the standing

[1:07:41] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: resolution should stay in place and of course they can also stay in in place regardless but

[1:07:47] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: you have the new policy yeah but

[1:07:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: you have to adopt it at some point in the future maybe the

[1:07:53] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: next time when you consider you know a bylaw enforcement report you could also rescind

[1:07:58] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: certain standing resolutions regarding bylaw enforcement

[1:08:01] Voice 3: so

[1:08:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: i'm

[1:08:04] Trustee Maude: prepared to move okay no

[1:08:07] Voice 11: so

[1:08:07] Trustee Maude: i'll move the main island local trust committee adopt the proposed

[1:08:10] Trustee Maude: pilot compliance and enforcement policy as presented i'll

[1:08:14] Voice 13: second that moved and seconded

[1:08:17] Voice 13: thank you to staff for preparing this and uh we're knocking it out of the park with

[1:08:27] Voice 13: number three here we

[1:08:29] Trustee Maude: have to vote all

[1:08:29] Voice 13: those in favor we're number three hi

[1:08:34] Voice 13: Okay. Thank you so much, Warren.

[1:08:38] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:08:39] Voice 13: And we may indeed rescind those 10 resolutions, but we can leave them if you want.

[1:08:46] Trustee Maude: So we had the third new business?

[1:08:49] Voice 13: Yes. So number three, thank you for bringing us back to the agenda.

[1:08:54] Voice 13: Trustee Dodds, you wanted correspondence to the province?

[1:08:59] Voice 13: That was me.

[1:09:00] Voice 13: Oh, apologies.

[1:09:01] Trustee Maude: That's me.

[1:09:02] Voice 13: 14.23 up to

[1:09:05] Voice 13: you now um

[1:09:05] Trustee Maude: so oh i i was reminded by the planners that we did not take any action

[1:09:10] Trustee Maude: um on the georgina point property uh to inform the province of the incursion into the foreshore

[1:09:19] Trustee Maude: so what i was going to request the ltc um do we have staff just basically forward that report

[1:09:26] Trustee Maude: court, maybe with a highlighter, showing the trespass to the province, just so that they're

[1:09:34] Trustee Maude: aware, because we're aware, so I think it's only fair that we inform our partner of that.

[1:09:40] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:09:41] Trustee Maude: And those

[1:09:41] Voice 13: are the trespass on the shoreline.

[1:09:44] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:09:44] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:09:45] Voice 13: So what is the address again for Drew at that point?

[1:09:50] Voice 13: Put me in our...

[1:09:52] Voice 13: Minutes.

[1:09:53] Voice 13: It

[1:09:53] Trustee Maude: should be in the minutes.

[1:09:54] Voice 13: It should

[1:09:55] Trustee Maude: be in the minutes.

[1:09:57] Trustee Maude: Do

[1:09:58] Voice 13: you want to direct staff to send the file for MVP

[1:10:04] Trustee Maude: DVP 2023.7 Seymour?

[1:10:07] Voice 13: 2023.7 Seymour, Georgina Point property,

[1:10:14] Voice 13: trespass to the relevant

[1:10:17] Trustee Maude: potential agency.

[1:10:21] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:10:25] Trustee Maude: Hopefully Lisa got that.

[1:10:28] Voice 3: I did.

[1:10:28] Trustee Maude: Oh, you're a wonderful person.

[1:10:30] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:10:30] Voice 13: Because

[1:10:31] Trustee Maude: I wasn't going to remember what I just said.

[1:10:34] Voice 13: The trustee mod requested that the file for 2023.7 Seymour Georgina Point property trespass information be sent to the relevant provincial agency.

[1:10:47] Trustee Maude: I would say staff report rather than file.

[1:10:50] Voice 13: File.

[1:10:50] Voice 12: Staff report.

[1:10:51] Voice 12: So you want staff to board the DVP report identifying the trespass on the foreshore?

[1:11:01] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:11:02] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:11:03] Voice 13: Identifying the trespass on the foreshore.

[1:11:05] Voice 13: That sounds good.

[1:11:07] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:11:08] Voice 13: Second?

[1:11:08] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:11:09] Voice 13: That's a go.

[1:11:10] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[1:11:12] Voice 13: That is carried.

[1:11:13] Voice 13: It

[1:11:13] Trustee Maude: takes a village.

[1:11:14] Voice 13: Thank you, staff.

[1:11:17] Voice 13: Excellent.

[1:11:18] Voice 13: Excellent. Well, now with our toes freezing, we

[1:11:22] Voice 13: can consider our winter schedule meetings, 15.1.

[1:11:30] Voice 13: So this is for a year and a bit, a year and a quarter.

[1:11:35] Voice 13: Trustees, do you want to also consider which ones might be electronic?

[1:11:38] Voice 13: And if we need all of these meetings and staff, Planner Chadwick, do you have any input?

[1:11:44] Voice 13: but you were suggesting that April, you would not be here?

[1:11:49] Voice 12: I may not be here for that, but I don't know if necessarily they want to take it off.

[1:11:53] Voice 12: I think part of it, yeah.

[1:11:55] Voice 12: I mean, I don't know what kind of applications would be coming in,

[1:11:57] Voice 12: but yeah, I may not be here for that.

[1:12:01] Trustee Maude: And not knowing the September meeting,

[1:12:04] Trustee Maude: how is that dovetailing into Trust Council and with UBCM?

[1:12:10] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:12:11] Voice 3: that

[1:12:11] Trustee Maude: always seems to be right jam right into the middle of all that

[1:12:17] Voice 5: through the chair i can look at that schedule for you now if you like oh

[1:12:22] Trustee Maude: you were wonderful thank

[1:12:23] Trustee Maude: you yep

[1:12:24] Voice 5: that would be great i was trying to learn

[1:12:25] Voice 10: what else i was i wondered are we going to have

[1:12:29] Voice 12: enough for january i

[1:12:31] Voice 12: wonder about that too because after

[1:12:33] Voice 12: that i'd be able to have a fulsome uh report

[1:12:36] Voice 12: for you for the project I definitely will be out by February okay maybe not

[1:12:41] Voice 12: if we're gonna

[1:12:42] Voice 10: have January January February January for sure should be

[1:12:45] Voice 10: probably a zoom meeting so that if it's a short meeting

[1:12:48] Voice 3: so

[1:12:50] Voice 10: that but if you're

[1:12:51] Voice 10: February nice yeah yeah at

[1:12:57] Trustee Maude: this point do we need to identify electronic versus in

[1:13:02] Voice 13: person do because you'd have to do an rwm to change

[1:13:06] Voice 12: that would be helpful yeah but and also

[1:13:09] Voice 12: the the weather in january is always a bit sketchy yes

[1:13:12] Voice 10: or so then later is getting better

[1:13:16] Voice 10: definitely lighter so

[1:13:18] Trustee Maude: the motion would be so

[1:13:21] Voice 13: let's hear about september before you make

[1:13:25] Voice 13: motions because i had thought that as well july coming late and then august is kind of a pause

[1:13:31] Voice 13: month. September

[1:13:32] Voice 13: may not be necessary. Okay. But

[1:13:36] Voice 10: we ended up in first week of October this year.

[1:13:39] Voice 13: And then we did. Yeah. I mean, it's the agendas have been feeling light. You know, we've had

[1:13:46] Voice 13: maybe two applications per.

[1:13:50] Voice 10: In general, because of the slowdown of activities in terms of

[1:13:56] Voice 10: resale needs and or development periods all that all that's tied together so yeah even

[1:14:02] Voice 10: we'll slow down so

[1:14:05] Voice 13: lisa did you have dates for september yes

[1:14:10] Voice 5: trust council is the 16th to the

[1:14:13] Voice 5: 18th ubcm is the following week the 22nd to the 26th so the september main island ltc meeting

[1:14:22] Voice 5: is the Monday after UBCM.

[1:14:24] Voice 5: Oh, that's okay.

[1:14:25] Voice 5: That's not too bad.

[1:14:26] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:14:27] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:14:28] Trustee Maude: It's nice that Trust Council is before UBCM this year.

[1:14:31] Voice 13: That is very good.

[1:14:33] Trustee Maude: That makes a huge difference for us.

[1:14:34] Trustee Maude: I would

[1:14:36] Voice 13: just flag the January meeting as definitely electronic.

[1:14:41] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:14:42] Voice 13: And we potentially may not even need that meeting.

[1:14:46] Voice 13: And

[1:14:47] Trustee Maude: February electronic?

[1:14:48] Voice 13: February.

[1:14:49] Voice 13: February, I will

[1:14:51] Voice 10: probably have a report for you.

[1:14:53] Voice 13: So

[1:14:53] Trustee Maude: you'd like to have it in person?

[1:14:54] Trustee Maude: I think, yeah.

[1:14:55] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:14:55] Trustee Maude: I have

[1:14:55] Trustee Maude: a report.

[1:14:57] Voice 13: If I can't get over the Malhut, I may have to do my remote sharing.

[1:15:01] Voice 12: Over February?

[1:15:02] Voice 12: We can also, you know, if the weather's looking bad, we can always change it, right?

[1:15:05] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:15:06] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:15:07] Voice 12: Fair enough.

[1:15:07] Voice 13: I will note.

[1:15:09] Voice 13: And then Flannery Chadwick will not be here for April.

[1:15:12] Voice 13: May not.

[1:15:13] Voice 12: I may or may not.

[1:15:14] Voice 13: So definitely February.

[1:15:17] Voice 13: but if there's no applications

[1:15:20] Voice 13: and April's looking sparse

[1:15:21] Voice 13: we may either convert that

[1:15:24] Voice 13: to electronic or

[1:15:25] Voice 13: yeah because if there's no project

[1:15:29] Voice 13: report there

[1:15:30] Voice 12: might not

[1:15:31] Voice 12: be much business but there may

[1:15:33] Voice 12: potentially a date change

[1:15:34] Voice 12: yeah anyways

[1:15:35] Voice 12: so

[1:15:36] Trustee Maude: in that we've noted

[1:15:38] Trustee Maude: January for electronic

[1:15:40] Voice 7: do we just

[1:15:43] Trustee Maude: do we then just move the motion as

[1:15:45] Trustee Maude: said or do we have to amend

[1:15:47] Trustee Maude: the meeting schedule

[1:15:49] Voice 10: to say it's via zoom for january well

[1:15:55] Voice 13: and you could just say and that the january whatever

[1:15:58] Voice 13: because we're approving this as is and you're making the january 27th electronic

[1:16:05] Voice 13: so

[1:16:05] Trustee Maude: i would move that the main local trust committee has moved the january

[1:16:09] Trustee Maude: 2025 to march 27 26 meeting schedule um with the amendment that the january meeting would be

[1:16:20] Trustee Maude: electronic. January

[1:16:22] Trustee Maude: 2025. We haven't got

[1:16:25] Trustee Maude: 2026 yet. Great.

[1:16:28] Voice 13: Moved and seconded.

[1:16:29] Voice 13: Any other considerations?

[1:16:31] Voice 13: Nope. All those in favor?

[1:16:35] Voice 13: Carried.

[1:16:36] Voice 13: We

[1:16:36] Trustee Maude: now have marching orders. March

[1:16:38] Voice 13: onwards into

[1:16:39] Voice 13: the new year.

[1:16:41] Trustee Maude: We have

[1:16:43] Voice 13: another town hall.

[1:16:46] Voice 13: So,

[1:16:46] Voice 13: what do you want to talk about, trustees?

[1:16:48] Voice 13: Shall

[1:16:48] Trustee Maude: we go direct the coast and

[1:16:49] Voice 13: ask for some questions?

[1:16:50] Voice 13: Tell us what you think.

[1:16:55] okay so

[1:16:58] Trustee Maude: so for lisa's benefit we have no audience we

[1:17:00] Voice 11: have no more audience

[1:17:05] Voice 11: yeah all

[1:17:07] Voice 13: right and there is no closed meeting and so i will state that our next meeting

[1:17:14] Voice 13: is tentatively

[1:17:17] Voice 13: for January

[1:17:19] Voice 13: 28th, 2025

[1:17:23] Voice 13: electronically.

[1:17:26] Voice 13: Is that right?

[1:17:27] Voice 13: January 27th.

[1:17:28] Voice 13: Sorry.

[1:17:29] Voice 13: Electronically, yeah.

[1:17:30] Voice 13: 2025 via Zoom

[1:17:32] Voice 13: at 1.30pm.

[1:17:35] Voice 13: And we'll see you

[1:17:36] Voice 13: potentially in person

[1:17:37] Voice 13: February.

[1:17:39] Voice 13: And that's that.

[1:17:41] Voice 13: Excellent.

[1:17:42] Voice 13: For adjournment.

[1:17:42] Voice 13: All those in favor,

[1:17:44] Voice 13: go home and get warm.

[1:17:45] Voice 13: thank you thank you thanks

[1:17:51] Voice 3: everyone it was great