Islands Trust Council regular meeting, December 10, 2024

[0:00:04] Voice 6: okay technology up and running and so i'll call this a regular meeting of the galliano

[0:00:11] Voice 6: island local trust committee um order for december 2024. uh my name is tim peterson i'm elected on

[0:00:20] Voice 6: and i'm the chair of the galliano island local trust committee

[0:00:26] Voice 6: um joining me today are local trustees ben mabry lisa gabriel and uh we have staff here today we

[0:00:35] Voice 6: have our planner kim stockton john brad smith uh senior indigenous relations advisor joe elliott

[0:00:42] Voice 6: and online we have our meeting recorder carly bleeding and um this is the official forum for the

[0:00:52] Voice 6: galeno island local trust committee to make decisions i want to start um today's meeting

[0:00:59] Voice 6: by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather on the territories of coast salish

[0:01:03] Voice 6: peoples and specifically the connecticut tribe keepers of these lands and waters since time in

[0:01:08] Voice 6: memorial land and territory acknowledgements are important today because colonialism is not just

[0:01:15] Voice 6: a historical problem it's ongoing in present day before i proceed i want to give fair warning that

[0:01:22] Voice 6: some of the content I'll be talking about today is upsetting and may be traumatic for some people

[0:01:27] Voice 6: to hear. As truth precedes reconciliation, so it is important to recognize the harms done to

[0:01:36] Voice 6: indigenous persons and First Nations due to colonial policies. Many of us have learned

[0:01:41] Voice 6: about the atrocities associated with the Indian residential school system, a system which forcibly

[0:01:47] Voice 6: removed children from their families and homes and involved unspeakable brutality. Perhaps less

[0:01:54] Voice 6: well known as the indian hospital system the formal indian hospital system began in the 1930s

[0:02:00] Voice 6: but saw its real expansion in post-war years of the late 1940s and into the 1950s in the 70s and

[0:02:06] Voice 6: 80s most of the hospital closed or were converted there were at least three major indian hospitals

[0:02:12] Voice 6: operating in british columbia at prince rupert's artist and the nine of the last of which operated

[0:02:17] Voice 6: in 1971. Although enforced hospitalization and physical restraining of patients was not

[0:02:24] Voice 6: permissible in a general hospital setting, they were considered common practice at Indian

[0:02:28] Voice 6: hospitals. Grossly unethical experiments, which included medical testing both on adults

[0:02:35] Voice 6: and children, were conducted in these hospitals. In 1933, an experimental tuberculosis vaccine

[0:02:41] Voice 6: began trials on Indigenous infants, funded by Indian Affairs and the National Research

[0:02:48] Voice 8: During

[0:02:49] Voice 6: that 12-year study, the research revealed that more than 12% of the 609 children in

[0:02:54] Voice 6: the trial died before their first birthday, while only four of those were due to tuberculosis

[0:02:59] Voice 6: deaths.

[0:03:01] Voice 6: Poverty posed the greatest threat to children, but unlike tuberculosis, it did not spread

[0:03:07] Voice 6: to the white communities.

[0:03:11] Voice 6: January 22, 2020, a $1.1 billion class action lawsuit by former patients of the Canadian

[0:03:17] Voice 6: hospitals is certified against the federal government patients are seeking financial

[0:03:21] Voice 6: compensation and a formal acknowledgement of the government's negligence in the operation of indian

[0:03:26] Voice 6: hospitals one might be forgiven for assuming that the dark times when indigenous children

[0:03:32] Voice 6: were subjected to unethical experimentation are over but unfortunately this is not the case

[0:03:39] Voice 6: a cbc story was published recently about a dubious brainwave study targeting primarily

[0:03:44] Voice 6: primarily Indigenous kids in Saskatchewan.

[0:03:46] Voice 8: The

[0:03:47] Voice 6: Prince Albert School study,

[0:03:48] Voice 6: which ran from 2014 to 2016,

[0:03:51] Voice 6: was conducted to test the benefits of brainwave training

[0:03:54] Voice 6: on 12 to 15-year-old children

[0:03:56] Voice 6: and their parents or guardians.

[0:03:58] Voice 6: Experts consulted by the CBC called the experiments

[0:04:01] Voice 6: weird, shocking, abusive, and unethical,

[0:04:04] Voice 6: noting it lacked informed consent

[0:04:06] Voice 6: and that some of the research methods

[0:04:08] Voice 6: were risky and untested.

[0:04:11] Voice 6: Reflecting on the fact that two universities

[0:04:13] Voice 6: approved the study, he would most be a medical historian at the Toronto Metropolitan University

[0:04:19] Voice 6: that clearly a serious mistake was made. The purpose of sharing this information today

[0:04:26] Voice 6: is to acknowledge that the harms inflicted through colonial policies have not only affected

[0:04:30] Voice 6: generations of Indigenous persons and communities over time, but continue to cause harms in

[0:04:36] Voice 6: present day. Please consider how to best process feelings that might arise from hearing these

[0:04:44] Voice 6: truths whether it be by being near the waters walking in the forest or being supported by

[0:04:48] Voice 6: loved ones self-reflection about these issues will be important and can inform us about how

[0:04:54] Voice 6: we can support first nations and change our collective future and work together in the

[0:04:59] Voice 6: spirit of collaboration and respect and so with that um we'll uh move on to our agenda we have

[0:05:13] Voice 6: an agenda before us and i'll look to see if there's any additions or changes to the agenda

[0:05:19] Voice 6: today nothing so i'll take it by general content we will approve the agenda as presented

[0:05:26] Voice 6: and that brings us to the trustee report section we'd like to go first

[0:05:35] Voice 1: all right a couple updates for you um all right okay here we go update on the trustee report

[0:05:46] Voice 1: in the December active page.

[0:05:49] Voice 1: More accurately, why it's not there,

[0:05:52] Voice 1: I don't know if any of you noticed.

[0:05:53] Voice 1: There's been operational changes with the publisher

[0:05:57] Voice 1: and our December trustee report

[0:06:00] Voice 1: didn't make the current active pages planned.

[0:06:03] Voice 1: I spoke with Apple Pie.

[0:06:05] Voice 1: We've addressed the problem

[0:06:06] Voice 1: so that a feature mishap could be avoided.

[0:06:12] Voice 1: Since the message in the report was happy holidays

[0:06:15] Voice 1: days from Lisa, Ben, and Tim. I'll make sure that it still reaches people through this

[0:06:22] Voice 1: holiday season. I'll be sharing it on Facebook so folks get a chance to read it. The message

[0:06:27] Voice 1: also, please respect to Justice Marie Sinclair. It was important to me to have that. It was

[0:06:32] Voice 1: an important thing

[0:06:35] Voice 7: to say, a meaningful thing to say from last year. All right. Two weeks

[0:06:45] Voice 1: ago i had the opportunity to attend a meeting hosted by the south engulf islands housing now

[0:06:51] Voice 1: project and the south engulf islands community justice program it was well attended and the

[0:06:57] Voice 1: participants were from galliano tender south spring and maine the focus of the meeting was

[0:07:03] Voice 1: on one essential question what makes a home and i've been reflecting a lot on that discussion

[0:07:11] Voice 1: The insights shared were thoughtful, diverse, and deeply moving.

[0:07:17] Voice 1: What struck me most was that even after so many years of grappling with this housing crisis,

[0:07:22] Voice 1: the impacts are still unfolding, and we see that harm as it continues in our communities.

[0:07:29] Voice 1: The stories that were shared reminded me of the role of safety, connection, and belonging,

[0:07:36] Voice 1: and how that plays into the concept of home.

[0:07:39] Voice 1: The Housing Now initiative is a shining example of this, of bringing people together through

[0:07:48] Voice 1: home sharing and fostering that deeper connection that helps us all feel connected.

[0:07:55] Voice 1: This is very inspiring to see how many people in our Cagalliano community are seeing staff

[0:08:01] Voice 1: up to support efforts like these, whether it's a housing initiative or simply showing

[0:08:07] Voice 1: up to these meetings.

[0:08:10] Voice 1: it's clear that a community is built through connection and care these conversations around

[0:08:19] Voice 1: housing and community will continue to sit with me and they'll serve as a reminder of the look ahead

[0:08:25] Voice 1: and of the role that i play as trustee and as a community member

[0:08:30] Voice 1: one attendee said that housing is more than a structure it's about people and it's about

[0:08:37] Voice 1: And I'm very grateful to be part of that conversation.

[0:08:40] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:08:42] Voice 6: That's it.

[0:08:43] Voice 6: Trustee Maperly?

[0:08:44] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:08:45] Voice 6: Thanks, Lisa.

[0:08:46] Voice 6: And thanks, Jim.

[0:08:47] Voice 6: I think every once in a while we need to be reminded and appreciate you being here today.

[0:08:55] Voice 6: A couple of things.

[0:08:58] Voice 6: We attended trust council yesterday and on Wednesday morning I had the opportunity to

[0:09:05] Voice 6: meet with CRD for half a day.

[0:09:08] Voice 6: and just let the public know that the unofficial start of the

[0:09:16] Voice 6: housing project is going to they're going to start clearing the the trees and prepare with civil work

[0:09:25] Voice 6: in the just after new year so we don't know quite what the startup time is but

[0:09:31] Voice 6: they just wanted to let the public know that if they see trees coming down there if they see

[0:09:36] Voice 6: land being cleared that's what it's for so um i think it's a huge step for this community i think

[0:09:44] Voice 6: of all of the people that were involved right from the beginning on this project all the people that

[0:09:51] Voice 6: that um put their time and effort into this it's been a long time coming and um you know

[0:09:58] Voice 6: a big shout out to everybody who was involved so it'll be great to see that project underway

[0:10:04] Voice 6: way um secondly and i see some wise island people here um we've acquired some funding for parking

[0:10:12] Voice 6: at montague that's that's supposed to start doing the work in coordination with highways in the

[0:10:18] Voice 6: early spring so we'll just keep everybody on the other islands notified of what areas we need to

[0:10:24] Voice 6: keep it clear and uh and uh appreciate everybody's cooperation

[0:10:34] Voice 6: and so for my chair's report uh yeah trust council met uh last week december 35th a lot

[0:10:44] Voice 6: of the meeting was focused on the preliminary review of the 2025-26 draft budget and we were

[0:10:52] Voice 6: joined for dinner uh my former island trust council chair and current mla minister of uh

[0:10:59] Voice 6: development property reduction um sheila malcolmson it's nice to see her uh the bowen

[0:11:06] Voice 6: island mayor edmund leonard uh presented a delegation that spent a fair amount of the week

[0:11:10] Voice 6: uh with us in the council chamber serving and talking at breaks and um san juan chaochi chair

[0:11:19] Voice 6: uh jane fuller met with us on thursday for an informative exchange of ideas different

[0:11:24] Voice 6: different approaches to the issues that are similar to both jurisdictions

[0:11:28] Voice 6: uh subsequent to that we had um our first uh meeting of the southern gulf islands forum

[0:11:36] Voice 6: um with our new mla for the area rough botryl and um we discussed uh knowing that the uh other two

[0:11:45] Voice 6: San Juan County members are going to be starting in January to discuss a couple months down the

[0:11:52] Voice 6: road. We're going to invite them for a joint session. There's

[0:11:55] Voice 6: a lot of really interesting

[0:11:58] Voice 6: things that they're doing down there. And they're sort of, I mean, the islands are divided by this

[0:12:05] Voice 6: imaginary international border. But, you know, if you look at a map, it's, we're clearly,

[0:12:14] Voice 6: have a lot of similarities. Their jurisdiction is different. The way they do things down

[0:12:19] Voice 6: there is different. But I think there's a good opportunity for flow of information both

[0:12:25] Voice 6: ways and also for joint advocacy on issues and importance. All of us had some really

[0:12:32] Voice 6: interesting discussions there. There's also the First Trust Council meeting for our new

[0:12:38] Voice 6: Chief Administrative Officer, Rowan Brody. We're looking forward to working

[0:12:43] Voice 6: with him over the next couple of years of the term and set our council meeting schedule for the year

[0:12:49] Voice 6: i agreed to meet as a committee to hold more often uh in order to advance the work on the

[0:12:55] Voice 6: policy statement review and also agreed to hold the committee of the whole meetings

[0:13:00] Voice 6: uh for a review of the 2020 governance report and also review our standards of conduct policy

[0:13:10] Voice 6: yesterday executive committee met in online and and approved Galeano bylaws 283 and 284

[0:13:25] Voice 6: process wise that means it's now going to be going to the ministry next and we'll see how that all

[0:13:35] Voice 6: rolls out so we'll leave it there uh we have no electoral director areas report today but we do

[0:13:44] Voice 6: have space for first nations report and dr ken thomas is here today and i don't know if you

[0:13:50] Voice 6: have anything you want to share today or not but uh yeah traditional name

[0:14:07] Voice 6: I'd like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and hopefully, you know,

[0:14:15] Voice 6: keep on working in a good way in the future, work together, communicate, you know, that

[0:14:26] Voice 6: kind of thing and trust staff and i want to thank you for all your hard work and communication

[0:14:34] Voice 6: for sure and keeping this going you know with all the respect and from from our nation this

[0:14:43] Voice 6: is a merry christmas happy new year happy holidays but um chief uh pam

[0:14:52] Voice 2: jack wanted me to

[0:14:53] Voice 2: she sends her regrets so she asked she sent

[0:14:58] Voice 6: a text um asked me to read about

[0:15:04] Voice 6: dear galeano family and friends first and foremost i would like to extend my warmest

[0:15:15] Voice 6: wishes for a merry christmas to each and every one of you all the absence today due to prior

[0:15:23] Voice 6: I'm very represented today by our Connecticut Council member,

[0:15:29] Voice 6: Kenny Holmes, who was there to convene on

[0:15:34] Voice 6: the

[0:15:35] Voice 3: delegation's diligent

[0:15:40] Voice 6: work to trust

[0:15:42] Voice 6: as accomplished in fostering understanding and true reconciliation between our communities.

[0:15:58] Voice 6: I really want to acknowledge the concerns expressed by some of our Galliano community

[0:16:05] Voice 6: during our last meeting.

[0:16:07] Voice 6: I hear your voice and understand the gravity of your expressions.

[0:16:14] Voice 6: As the Chief of Connecticut, a steamer, again, we are not here to disrupt the polls,

[0:16:25] Voice 6: instead we seek to address the historical unrest and low voice of our

[0:16:35] Voice 6: typically surrounding our unceded canalic land which has often been overlooked by

[0:16:46] Voice 6: government municipalities and this position of our people has resulted in significant

[0:16:56] Voice 6: significant misunderstandings.

[0:16:59] Voice 6: Now is the time to proactively collaborate

[0:17:04] Voice 6: and address some of the needs of both of our communities.

[0:17:09] Voice 6: I speak with integrity and respect

[0:17:13] Voice 6: for my ancestors' grandparents,

[0:17:17] Voice 6: rooted in the commitment to finding a path forward

[0:17:23] Voice 6: that honors both history and paves the way forward

[0:17:29] Voice 6: board with a mutual understanding and cooperation. Again, thank you. And my hands are raised

[0:17:37] Voice 6: up to all who are committed to this hard work. Thanks for coming on. Just

[0:17:47] Voice 6: enough luck. Thanks

[0:18:02] Voice 6: so next on our agenda is town hall and questions and this is your opportunity to speak we want to

[0:18:15] Voice 6: hear your questions and comments and applicants will have an opportunity to speak at the time

[0:18:21] Voice 6: and we consider their applications.

[0:18:23] Voice 6: And when addressing the Local Trust Committee,

[0:18:26] Voice 6: we request that you direct your comments

[0:18:27] Voice 6: to the Local Trust Committee, the pre-elected persons

[0:18:32] Voice 6: and not the other members of public or staff.

[0:18:36] Voice 6: Speak about the issues, not to other individuals.

[0:18:39] Voice 6: Please be concise, clear, and respectful.

[0:18:45] Voice 6: And priority, of course, is items on today's agenda,

[0:18:49] Voice 6: and items that we're working on

[0:18:51] Voice 6: or items within Island Trust's jurisdiction.

[0:18:55] Voice 6: So with that, I'll look for a show of hands

[0:18:57] Voice 6: and see who'd like to address the local trust committee today.

[0:19:01] Voice 6: I see a couple of hands.

[0:19:05] Voice 6: I'm gonna start in the second row on this end

[0:19:09] Voice 6: and then we'll work forward.

[0:19:12] Voice 6: I'm Tom Rogers, staff of Y-Zone.

[0:19:14] Voice 6: Before I start, you've got the intent

[0:19:18] Voice 6: intent. So he got 14 days to get on the sentence. Good list.

[0:19:27] Voice 6: After six times coming here to say the same thing in regard to

[0:19:31] Voice 6: why the past three and a half years regarding the complaints

[0:19:38] Voice 6: by law enforcement regarding solar panels and water access.

[0:19:44] Voice 6: Again, I'm asking you to look at the enforcement advance until such a time we can take a look

[0:19:56] Voice 6: at the bylaws and have them specifically drafted for Wise Island.

[0:20:04] Voice 6: As a reminder, they were based off of Galliano Island lot sizes, Wise Island is completely

[0:20:09] Voice 6: different.

[0:20:11] Voice 6: So basically, I'm just reacting to the same thing I've asked before, that if we can look

[0:20:16] Voice 6: at that we can bring it up what can we do because it's been like i said three and a half years now

[0:20:21] Voice 6: and we haven't haven't done anything yet okay thank you and next in that row yeah same thing

[0:20:32] Voice 6: i bring this to most of the meetings i've talked to lisa as well it's the original staff report from

[0:20:38] Voice 6: file manager warren beaming march 2023 where he is actually recommending to

[0:20:45] Voice 6: to put bylaws in advance to improve the status of the wide island until our project and new bylaws are undertaken or started even.

[0:20:59] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm just wondering if, I know we voted for you guys voting this down last time.

[0:21:04] Voice 6: I'm just wondering if, recently you had indicated that you would be moving on and revisiting this.

[0:21:10] Voice 6: I'm just wondering if we could revisit this at some point, because the by-officers came to Wise Island again this summer, spent half a day there, and I discussed it with them again.

[0:21:21] Voice 6: Everything that we are being forced in is allowed on other islands under their by-laws, and yet we're still fighting for the Galliano.

[0:21:30] Voice 6: We're still under Galliano by-laws, which, as Todd said, are small lot sizes, do not work with the Galliano by-law on 27th.

[0:21:39] Voice 6: so they're just they're half the size of what the minimum lot size on the other hand

[0:21:49] Voice 2: hello my name is steph gustafson i'm also on wise island actually lost six and what i'm asking is

[0:21:57] Voice 2: me and my wife retired in 2020 we moved their permit full-time and we put in a doc permit and

[0:22:03] Voice 2: back in june of 2021 and um we haven't heard anything back it's still going off and this

[0:22:10] Voice 2: was before the moratorium that said that um docs with um ferry service islands of ferry service

[0:22:16] Voice 2: would not get a docs well we're on white island and um i'm just wondering if you guys can look

[0:22:21] Voice 2: into this and find out where it's sitting it's something i actually have a full copy if you want

[0:22:27] Voice 2: it to hand it i can hand it over the full application back in june 21. um if you guys

[0:22:33] Voice 2: would review it and approve it then i don't see why i have to wait and uh yeah move on

[0:22:43] Voice 6: yeah i just want to sort of update you the um the moratorium is still on um it was extended

[0:22:52] Voice 6: But they did indicate that water access on community docks would be a priority when they

[0:22:58] Voice 6: started.

[0:22:59] Voice 6: Okay, I thought they were exempt and I just still wasn't aware of that.

[0:23:02] Voice 6: Yeah, it's not that they were exempt, it's just that they're going to be a priority when

[0:23:06] Voice 6: they move the moratorium.

[0:23:08] Voice 6: So there's really nothing that anybody can do until the BC government decides it's going

[0:23:13] Voice 6: to.

[0:23:14] Voice 6: Okay, great.

[0:23:15] Voice 6: And there are negotiations for...

[0:23:17] Voice 6: Yeah,

[0:23:17] Voice 2: I was just wondering if there's any timeframe, that's what I'm looking for.

[0:23:20] Voice 2: it's just some time for it is it going to be another year two years or never or if that's

[0:23:24] Voice 2: what i was looking for but thank you for your time and uh that's still under the

[0:23:29] Voice 2: guidance will be priority that's why thank you very much for your time

[0:23:32] Voice 2: thank you very nice uh

[0:23:35] Voice 6: and a friend here i wanted to ask uh uh trustee maberly

[0:23:40] Voice 6: i mentioned work is going to be starting on the take at that set the old gallery i was

[0:23:51] Voice 6: Is this just like preliminary site preparation or is it actually money for construction?

[0:23:59] Voice 6: Something happened?

[0:24:01] Voice 6: Well, this is sort of the artificial role of the project, and I'm sure the society which is in charge of this project are going to be putting something out in the paper.

[0:24:10] Voice 6: But CRD asked if we would just let the public know

[0:24:16] Voice 6: that site prep for civil work.

[0:24:18] Voice 6: So civil work would be water, sewer,

[0:24:20] Voice 6: all of those things prior to building.

[0:24:23] Voice 6: So they need to do the site work

[0:24:24] Voice 6: and they need to get the trees down

[0:24:28] Voice 6: prior to the bird window.

[0:24:29] Voice 6: And so in the spring when birds start nesting,

[0:24:33] Voice 6: that has to be shut down.

[0:24:35] Voice 6: So they wanna get the clearing done prior to that window.

[0:24:39] Voice 6: and then they proceed with the civil work but um a main contractor has been chosen and a local

[0:24:46] Voice 6: fella um ronald berry i believe his name is the contract manager and i believe he's been

[0:24:53] Voice 6: approaching all the contractors on the island in regards to um what portions of the work that

[0:24:59] Voice 6: they're able to participate in so that sounds promising does that mean you can't say whether

[0:25:08] Voice 6: that means that there's money from a senior level of government or some of the funding

[0:25:15] Voice 6: has has come forward with money to build with it i can only say what i've been asked to say

[0:25:22] Voice 6: um when the crd wants to announce the project they'll announce it and i'm sure they're working

[0:25:26] Voice 6: with the society to to figure out what that sort of communication is going to be and they just

[0:25:32] Voice 6: wanted people to know the public to know the community to know that if they saw trees coming

[0:25:38] Voice 6: down there this was the reason for it and that the project is proceeding okay i don't know what else

[0:25:46] Voice 6: to say apart from that thanks great and before we have on this anyone else have anything they do

[0:25:54] Voice 6: oh i'm going to start here i'll come back

[0:25:58] Voice 6: oh go ahead okay i just maybe it's another appropriate question i'm just wondering

[0:26:03] Voice 6: i noticed the recording of the last meeting has been taking it um with very little information

[0:26:08] Voice 6: why on the trust website can you anybody from the ltc to an ltc meeting exactly for the trust

[0:26:17] Voice 8: council meeting

[0:26:18] Voice 6: that trust uh the executive committee voted at the end of november's room

[0:26:23] Voice 6: with that meeting um over workplace safety concerns well that's what workplace safety would

[0:26:31] Voice 6: would connotate yeah and then um we did have some discussion at our open meeting and just last week

[0:26:38] Voice 6: around that um as well and um so a quick follow-up so that was specific to that meeting

[0:26:47] Voice 6: about the start of a new kind of practice correct okay correct and just just for clarity um despite

[0:26:54] Voice 6: the fact that island stress has sort of moved into this model where we record live stream and

[0:26:59] Voice 6: and make recordings available um that's it's voluntary we have no statutory obligation to

[0:27:07] Voice 6: do any of that but we have been doing that as as a way for public to be able to to watch the

[0:27:12] Voice 6: meetings and and uh but it was felt that that it was it was worth taking that down to be on

[0:27:19] Voice 6: the safe side for those concerns thank you and come back to you sorry just as a as an

[0:27:28] Voice 6: add to my ask there before just a reminder that any of those solar panels or the deck

[0:27:35] Voice 6: actually the water access and so forth none of that is done with metal or concrete or any

[0:27:41] Voice 6: um immovable it is it is literally either that is that is put up there isn't we're not

[0:27:50] Voice 6: etching in there it hasn't been etched this stuff has existed for 20 years 25 years um

[0:27:57] Voice 6: it's not concrete construction or blasting or drilling or anything like that it's literally

[0:28:03] Voice 6: really fear that in 25 years or 30 years,

[0:28:07] Voice 6: more of them now, it will be gone.

[0:28:09] Voice 6: So there's nothing there that's being permanent

[0:28:12] Voice 6: for any of these structures that we're talking about.

[0:28:18] Voice 6: Anyone else before we move on?

[0:28:22] Voice 6: I'm curious, are we allowed to comment on

[0:28:27] Voice 6: the raised issues of the Crystal Mountain application,

[0:28:34] Voice 2: or is it considered to be post-public?

[0:28:37] Voice 2: right

[0:28:37] Voice 6: now we're we're actually gonna when we get into our later section we're gonna we need

[0:28:42] Voice 6: to discuss that as a local trust committee so uh we do have a second town hall section

[0:28:48] Voice 6: today so depending on how that discussion goes we may decide that that we're going to reopen

[0:28:53] Voice 6: that but we haven't had that discussion yet so we will hear assuming you're here for the next

[0:28:58] Voice 6: hour so you'll you'll you'll you'll hear on that but at the moment it's supposed to

[0:29:03] Voice 6: public hearing no comment at the moment that's where we stand we'll be having some consideration

[0:29:10] Voice 6: about today uh anything else okay then we will move along um there's no community information

[0:29:20] Voice 6: or public uh hearing today uh we do have minutes from november 8 for adoption anything on those

[0:29:28] Voice 6: minutes trustees yeah i have something

[0:29:30] Voice 1: i have one thing

[0:29:32] Voice 1: on the very top page 10 it says the

[0:29:35] Voice 1: chair noted that a joint official community plan review will be undertaken with the malacca trust

[0:29:41] Voice 1: is that correct i don't remember that that's

[0:29:46] Voice 6: a good point um i

[0:29:49] Voice 7: i don't i

[0:29:51] Voice 7: just don't think

[0:29:52] Voice 6: yeah i don't i i have to go

[0:29:55] Voice 6: back and listen to the recording but i'd be surprised if i said

[0:29:57] Voice 6: that will be undertaken.

[0:30:00] Voice 6: because that sounds like that

[0:30:01] Voice 6: sounds like a a commitment and i'm pretty sure that we're not

[0:30:04] Voice 6: at that position at this point it's a it's a great idea and maybe that will happen but i don't

[0:30:09] Voice 6: i agree will be undertaken as probably um not actually maybe i may have said that but

[0:30:17] Voice 6: in terms of what that should mean that's i agree that's incorrect so um maybe i'll check in with

[0:30:25] Voice 6: meeting an administrator later and we can review and make sure that that's corrected in the

[0:30:30] Voice 6: appropriate way i think there was a request from the public to do an ocp review um with the

[0:30:39] Voice 6: canalica and uh maybe that's just kind of yeah well

[0:30:43] Voice 6: i think maybe it will be undertaken at some

[0:30:46] Voice 6: point in

[0:30:46] Voice 7: the future yeah

[0:30:47] Voice 6: yeah but i take your point it sounds like it's a definite statement

[0:30:53] Voice 6: and I'd be surprised if I made a definite statement.

[0:30:57] Voice 6: I certainly wouldn't want to over-promise

[0:30:59] Voice 6: and not deliver on something like that,

[0:31:01] Voice 6: so I'll just finish myself a note on that.

[0:31:05] Voice 6: Anything else on the minutes?

[0:31:07] Voice 6: Nope.

[0:31:09] Voice 6: Okay, then I'll take it by general consent

[0:31:11] Voice 6: that we can adopt the minutes as to be amended.

[0:31:22] Voice 6: Move along then.

[0:31:23] Voice 6: um so next uh is the follow-up action list starting on page 11. and turn it over to staff

[0:31:36] Voice 1: hi i will just make

[0:31:38] Voice 6: one update so on page 11 of the agenda uh this is for the palmberg uh re

[0:31:44] Voice 6: rezoning uh the applicant has been working hard on providing all that information and i'm in the

[0:31:51] Voice 6: the process of reviewing that with the target of getting that application back on the that we're

[0:31:56] Voice 6: on to the february agenda and that is all the updates of this time but happy to answer any

[0:32:06] Voice 6: questions yeah just on a um the wise island referral to apc um i know that each island

[0:32:17] Voice 6: had finished their documents now their stuff had been approved the past and uh not sure where we

[0:32:24] Voice 6: are with the apc or do we have an apc yeah

[0:32:27] Voice 1: that's a really good question um we the

[0:32:29] Voice 6: legislative clerk

[0:32:31] Voice 6: has just advertised for new apc members that will close on december 20th so if there is interest in

[0:32:40] Voice 6: putting your name forward to be a member of the advisory planning commission

[0:32:44] Voice 6: for commission that information is on our webpage that closes december 20th so i thought i wouldn't

[0:32:51] Voice 6: put anything out to the apc until that's been completed so i would imagine a package would go

[0:32:56] Voice 6: out but then well the ltc ltc would have to approve or appoint those memberships at the

[0:33:05] Voice 6: february meeting so it may not be until

[0:33:06] Voice 3: later february

[0:33:08] Voice 6: okay great thank you for that anything

[0:33:15] Voice 6: any further on the call back from us today no

[0:33:17] Voice 1: i just want to give it up i doubt that the

[0:33:28] Voice 6: okay um we have no delegations and no correspondence today

[0:33:34] Voice 6: um we have a meeting break scheduled uh how's everyone feeling here there's refreshments over

[0:33:44] Voice 6: there should we take a little break and come back or can we plow ahead and then change this one

[0:33:51] Voice 7: all right all

[0:33:53] Voice 7: right

[0:33:54] Voice 6: so let's uh go to the first application here starting on page 15.

[0:34:08] Voice 6: yes i

[0:34:09] Voice 1: am on behalf of phil but i just

[0:34:12] Voice 6: wanted to take a quick moment i'm not sure if he is

[0:34:16] Voice 6: listening in um but bill has announced his retirement um i know he will be greatly missed

[0:34:23] Voice 6: he has been um amazing planner and a wonderful co-worker and his graphic design that he has in

[0:34:31] Voice 6: a lot of our land use and ocp bylaws has it's just been

[0:34:35] Voice 8: he's

[0:34:36] Voice 6: yeah we're going to miss him very much

[0:34:38] Voice 6: um he actually started with the islands trust in 1997 um left for a bit and then came back

[0:34:45] Voice 6: through consulting work and then he came back again and in september of 2014 so he's been

[0:34:54] Voice 6: working with the trust for quite some time so he'll be greatly missed so i just wanted to say

[0:34:58] Voice 6: thank you phil for all your hard work and maybe you'll come

[0:35:01] Voice 1: back again i don't know

[0:35:05] Voice 6: thanks for sharing that so

[0:35:08] Voice 1: this

[0:35:09] Voice 6: staff report um is to consider a waiver

[0:35:13] Voice 1: to section 512 of the

[0:35:15] Voice 1: local government act which is to waive the minimum frontage requirement and a local government or the

[0:35:23] Voice 1: local trust committee has the jurisdiction to

[0:35:25] Voice 6: exempt lots or waive that section um this

[0:35:31] Voice 6: requirement is part of a subdivision application refresh the ltc's memory there was a rezoning

[0:35:38] Voice 6: application which was approved and adopted now the applicant is moving forward with the

[0:35:44] Voice 6: subdivision application and this is one of the last conditions the applicant needs to satisfy

[0:35:50] Voice 6: before um our staff can provide final approval to the ministry of transportation and infrastructure

[0:35:56] Voice 6: structure. So the waiving would be both for lot one and lot A of the subdivision. And on page 18

[0:36:08] Voice 6: of the agenda and page four of the staff report, the rationale to support the waiving of the 10%

[0:36:17] Voice 6: frontage is that access to Gardner Road will not be impacted and the lots have no future subdivision

[0:36:24] Voice 6: potential um

[0:36:26] Voice 1: so there is a recommendation to the ltc to exempt both lots from the five section 512

[0:36:35] Voice 7: just

[0:36:40] Voice 6: a minute yeah um looking over this application and we've been

[0:36:44] Voice 6: involved with this application for quite a long time now um i just don't see why we wouldn't

[0:36:50] Voice 6: grant the waiver building a road in just to get road frontage for those two lots and it does more

[0:36:56] Voice 6: down and it does do it and both lots have access right now so uh there's no real need to build a

[0:37:03] Voice 6: subdivision road just to do this and so i'll be moving the recommendation and we'll go ahead lisa

[0:37:11] Voice 6: yeah

[0:37:11] Voice 1: i feel the same way um i was looking at i did have a question though has the lpc done this

[0:37:16] Voice 1: before the tempest paper yes it's quite common yeah it is yeah we're not sending any presence

[0:37:22] Voice 1: or anything no um and then the development permit has not been issued yet the development permit

[0:37:29] Voice 1: this is um phil stated in this staff report that this is the last item to satisfy so i would

[0:37:36] Voice 6: imagine the dp has an issue but i can confirm that so it says uh page 16 that a delegated dp

[0:37:47] Voice 6: the application is in process and

[0:37:50] Voice 1: there's nothing in that development process or the development

[0:37:54] Voice 1: permit any outstanding issues no

[0:37:57] Voice 6: and if there is any

[0:37:59] Voice 6: outstanding issues as a part of that process

[0:38:01] Voice 6: and it would actually come back to the ltc for um for discussion so if all guidelines are satisfied

[0:38:09] Voice 6: then that would be signed off by the director of final services great that was interesting

[0:38:13] Voice 6: Oh,

[0:38:14] Voice 7: fantastic. Yeah, I'll read the hard tip. Sorry.

[0:38:20] Voice 7: Thank

[0:38:20] Voice 6: you. So if there's no further questions, what would it be like to make a motion?

[0:38:27] Voice 6: I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee exempt proposed remainder lot 1 and lot A of subdivision GL-SUB-20232

[0:38:38] Voice 6: to from the one tenth perimeter provision of section 512 of the local government so moved

[0:38:44] Voice 6: seconded by trustee gabrielle any further discussion

[0:38:49] Voice 6: not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor various all right thank you for that

[0:38:58] Voice 6: take a little caffeine break okay i'm seeing i'm seeing enthusiasm

[0:39:05] Voice 6: out of the caffeine so let's uh let's be realistic and say nine minutes so we'll be back here

[0:39:11] Voice 6: on

[0:39:11] Voice 8: page 19 uh

[0:39:30] Voice 6: crystal mountain rezoning application

[0:39:34] Voice 6: first nation and um brad smith is here to start us off thank you

[0:39:42] Voice 4: nice to be back

[0:39:47] Voice 4: So here back today presenting staff report, bringing back the results of staff engagement

[0:39:55] Voice 4: with the Penelope First Nation that has occurred over the last year or so, based on direction

[0:40:01] Voice 4: provided by the LTC post-public hearing through the Crystal Mountain application, where you

[0:40:06] Voice 4: directed staff to engage with the Penelope First Nation on the application, as they had

[0:40:13] Voice 4: provided some uh response uh just just prior to your public hearing uh that indicated that they

[0:40:20] Voice 4: were satisfied with the level of consultation that had occurred and that as such they were not

[0:40:26] Voice 4: consenting to the application before so based on that direction staff have uh worked with the

[0:40:32] Voice 4: panel we've had four uh meetings with them in november last year meeting with chief and council

[0:40:40] Voice 4: Council to introduce ourselves and the application proposal. I had a follow up meeting with staff

[0:40:49] Voice 4: to just talk in more detail about the application and some of the issues. We had a site visit

[0:40:55] Voice 4: with staff and Crystal Mountain representatives in August and you have a letter provided from

[0:41:03] Voice 4: from Chief and Council, from Chief Jack,

[0:41:06] Voice 4: on page 28 of your application,

[0:41:09] Voice 4: which is, I would say, partially fulfills

[0:41:13] Voice 4: what we were looking for,

[0:41:14] Voice 4: which was a formal signal from the Penelope First Nation

[0:41:18] Voice 4: that they're interested in potentially receiving

[0:41:21] Voice 4: the 75% of lands from Crystal Mountain.

[0:41:24] Voice 4: What we were also hoping to see in that letter

[0:41:28] Voice 4: or are still seeking a response from

[0:41:29] Voice 4: from a number of other questions associated

[0:41:34] Voice 4: with that potential transfer in respect

[0:41:38] Voice 4: of what locked boundaries, the proposed locked boundaries,

[0:41:42] Voice 4: the way we met on site, not getting into detail,

[0:41:47] Voice 4: but staff of the nation did indicate that some areas

[0:41:51] Voice 4: there were some sensitivities with,

[0:41:53] Voice 4: in terms of archeological or cultural features

[0:41:56] Voice 4: and that they, if land transfer occurred,

[0:41:59] Voice 4: that they may want to have a closer look

[0:42:01] Voice 4: at some of those boundaries and fine tune them.

[0:42:04] Voice 4: Also a key point of discussion,

[0:42:07] Voice 4: and I think that needs to be as a result,

[0:42:09] Voice 4: in particular from the applicant's perspective,

[0:42:12] Voice 4: is the current proposal is for zoning

[0:42:15] Voice 4: to land transfer to the Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:42:19] Voice 4: and for the zoning to be nature protection.

[0:42:22] Voice 4: If lands did transfer to the Islands Trust Conservancy,

[0:42:25] Voice 4: Obviously, we protected the nature of the conservancy, but also through a section 219

[0:42:31] Voice 4: covenant that would have enshrined in perpetuity that those lands remain for that use.

[0:42:40] Voice 4: In this case, the First Nation has indicated concerns with the use of an instrument like

[0:42:47] Voice 4: that, which is a colonial instrument, and indicated that they would be willing to instead

[0:42:54] Voice 4: instead apply their own first nation laws and principles to that land base, the challenge

[0:42:59] Voice 4: being how does that in a sense legally secure that certainty for the applicants who has

[0:43:10] Voice 4: a unique proposed use on their 25% lands of a meditative retreat use which would obviously

[0:43:15] Voice 4: they require a unique neighbor that can kind of co-exist with that the ITC would have been

[0:43:26] Voice 4: a good neighbor for that because it would have been zoned and protected as nature protection

[0:43:31] Voice 4: so I think that was one of just kind of the key questions that needs to be worked through

[0:43:38] Voice 4: going forward if depending on the direction of the LTC today staff we have

[0:43:43] Voice 4: three recommendations for

[0:43:44] Voice 4: the ltc uh one is just uh seeking with this information now in hand uh seeking your support

[0:43:51] Voice 4: for a potential alternative land transfer to the penelope first nation rather than the itc

[0:43:59] Voice 4: uh uh if you do move forward with that and stuff additional direction

[0:44:07] at

[0:44:10] Voice 4: this point the applicant has not indicated yes or no as to whether they're willing to move

[0:44:15] Voice 4: forward with this and obviously they have some significant concerns and questions that they need

[0:44:21] Voice 4: to work through and get answers for before they would be willing to make that decision. Obviously

[0:44:30] Voice 4: they're here today and they can speak more to their application and where things are from their

[0:44:34] Voice 4: perspective. I see we also have Ken here from Penelope First Nation which is great and so the

[0:44:44] Voice 4: other two recommendations is one if the ltc decides to support this alternative that they

[0:44:52] Voice 4: request that the applicant also provide support for that and that if that support if the applicant

[0:45:00] Voice 4: is willing to at least explore further then seeking that the applicant and the first nation

[0:45:08] Voice 4: work more closely to work through some of those issues uh through their own processes and bring

[0:45:15] Voice 4: something back to the ltc that could then be considered as a potential pathway forward

[0:45:23] Voice 4: so with that i will pass it back to you chair to the ltc for any questions of staff we also have

[0:45:30] Voice 4: have our senior indigenous advisor familiar here and uh i don't know if you have anything to add

[0:45:36] Voice 4: but joe is also obviously here to provide that indigenous relations lens and everything else

[0:45:47] Voice 4: great

[0:45:48] Voice 6: sure and i'm going to give the applicants uh an opportunity to address this as well but

[0:45:55] Voice 6: first i want to see if trustees have any questions for staff and then we'll go to applicants and then

[0:46:06] Voice 6: I'm ready for a conversation, but I'm not sure I have any questions for Brian.

[0:46:10] Voice 6: I just, you know, this application, obviously, we've been working on it for a long time.

[0:46:19] Voice 6: And, you know, we, yeah, I'm ready for a conversation, but I don't think I have any questions.

[0:46:26] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:46:27] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm sure once the conversation starts happening.

[0:46:31] new crisis right now hi it's a multi-faceted application sure uh multiple uh stakeholders

[0:46:45] Voice 7: i'd like to be very careful what uh how how this unfolds

[0:46:52] Voice 7: careful

[0:46:54] Voice 6: and respectful um so we have some of the folks from crystal mountain with us today

[0:46:59] Voice 6: is there anything you want to um address to the local trust committee right now

[0:47:05] Voice 6: and i don't know if there's any questions but go ahead i

[0:47:10] Voice 5: i i would say agree with these guys

[0:47:13] Voice 5: we're ready for conversation we're more than

[0:47:15] Voice 1: ready for conversation

[0:47:16] Voice 5: yeah it's good it's good

[0:47:19] Voice 5: it's you know very very um comfortable with where we have gotten recently and it seems like there's

[0:47:29] Voice 5: there's a how to grasp the potential pathway or pathways lots of details

[0:47:37] Voice 5: will need to be worked out right and various parties involved right um so i don't have any

[0:47:47] Voice 5: specific questions no

[0:47:48] Voice 6: okay and any specific questions for the applicant before we go a little

[0:47:53] Voice 6: more general no i mean i think for me i i would sort of like to be able to sort of start the

[0:47:59] Voice 6: conversation and then i'm sure they'll be drawn in at some point as well right um i can start

[0:48:06] Voice 6: everyone well i'm thinking

[0:48:08] Voice 1: about the um public post-public hearing how

[0:48:15] Voice 1: that's the stuff i love in there like i said this is multifaceted i mean

[0:48:18] Voice 4: i think you're so

[0:48:19] Voice 4: far down the road with all of this new information that you've received uh that you're regardless

[0:48:26] Voice 4: this even if you chose the alternative presented by staff and had enough information and wanted to

[0:48:31] Voice 4: go down the road of transfer by the trust conservancy you would still need to hold

[0:48:36] Voice 4: another public hearing where all of this information would be put in the public record

[0:48:40] Voice 4: so i think uh you can just speak freely with the understanding that you're going to have to hold

[0:48:47] Voice 4: another public hearing regardless of what you talk about yeah

[0:48:51] Voice 6: thanks for

[0:48:52] Voice 6: that advice and i did have a

[0:48:54] Voice 6: note uh for us um based on that and that consideration that we're likely to have an

[0:49:01] Voice 6: additional public hearing and so the other effect of that would be that um determining whether for

[0:49:08] Voice 6: the further public comment can be received by the ltc um in light of the high probability of moving

[0:49:15] Voice 6: to another um an additional public hearing so i had that flagged as something we probably want to

[0:49:24] Voice 6: talk about a little bit today before we get out of here so

[0:49:28] Voice 7: free to talk

[0:49:30] Voice 6: so so we know we're going back to public hearing um it appears um now at the last public hearing

[0:49:44] Voice 6: in my mind the applicant had addressed a significant amount of the of the issues

[0:49:52] Voice 6: raise and and so are we limited to what we're talking about here um or is this thing going

[0:49:59] Voice 6: to be wide open again i

[0:50:01] Voice 4: think it would be wide open again okay in that public hearing

[0:50:04] Voice 4: some of some opinions presented on other topics may change based on new information right okay

[0:50:14] Voice 4: so i think it makes sense so i think you couldn't it would be very difficult to to narrow the focus

[0:50:21] Voice 4: considering public hearing in the comments that you see. Yeah, I

[0:50:24] Voice 4: think it would just be to go.

[0:50:26] Voice 6: Right. And so in respect of

[0:50:28] Voice 6: that, is there procedurally do we need to do anything in terms

[0:50:33] Voice 6: of informing the public that is now open for comment again? Or

[0:50:39] Voice 6: can, or is this meeting format? I mean, is it sufficient? Do we

[0:50:44] Voice 6: need to make any formal determination?

[0:50:51] Voice 6: No,

[0:50:52] Voice 1: I haven't been in this situation before, but

[0:50:55] Voice 6: my advice would be the LTC and the applicant

[0:51:01] Voice 6: and Ken Thomas have the discussion now, and then after that discussion, let's see where

[0:51:06] Voice 6: we're at.

[0:51:06] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:51:07] Voice 9: And

[0:51:07] Voice 6: then we can make some type of determination.

[0:51:09] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:51:09] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:51:10] Voice 6: Fair enough.

[0:51:11] Voice 6: Just looking for procedural advice here.

[0:51:13] Voice 6: Yes.

[0:51:14] Voice 5: Can I just ask on that one particular topic, that is kind of a, you know, I don't have a real good grip of my own trust details, I'm wondering, oh, sorry, I can't hear and then my voice gets too low, it's a very strange combination.

[0:51:32] Voice 5: Why it would not be, I would have heard, is it targeted public hearing?

[0:51:36] Voice 5: I mean, you can probably understand why, from our point of view, if you're opening it wide

[0:51:40] Voice 5: open to potentially all the issues that have been addressed over the years, that seems

[0:51:48] Voice 5: huge.

[0:51:49] Voice 5: And maybe I'm missing the, maybe I don't understand the point that, since we came to a two-public

[0:51:54] Voice 5: hearing and approval of the application, except for this one issue, is there not a way to

[0:52:00] Voice 5: go back to this one issue rather than opening it all up again?

[0:52:05] Voice 4: so where do you draw the boundaries around framing that issue and and and and

[0:52:15] Voice 4: how how do you determine if that issue is influencing someone's opinion or not i think

[0:52:21] Voice 4: are just questions that you couldn't answer so i think that you would just need to work through

[0:52:28] Voice 4: your public hearing and you may hear some things the same that you heard you may hear things

[0:52:34] Voice 4: is different based on the new information that's received on a completely different topic yeah and

[0:52:40] Voice 6: i guess my my thought um would be in terms of our role uh on the ltc is that um knowing that we're

[0:52:48] Voice 6: going to go back into um public hearing that uh in terms of not better in our discretion we should

[0:52:56] Voice 6: be able to hear anything um and without prejudging sort of what content

[0:53:04] Voice 6: we're going to receive on this application so i mean i think from from that aspect i

[0:53:08] Voice 6: i think i mean i think i think just practically targeting it might be difficult but i also think

[0:53:14] Voice 6: in terms of better in our discretionary there about keeping um thoughts who wants to who wants

[0:53:23] Voice 6: to take this in the next now

[0:53:24] Voice 1: wait a minute all right i have something it's in no particular

[0:53:28] Voice 1: order i'm just going to throw something sure kind

[0:53:31] Voice 1: of a discussion about the five questions

[0:53:33] Voice 1: that were posted um yeah because we realized we were sitting just about a year and there's

[0:53:40] Voice 1: been like six letters or 11 emails or meeting site visits i'm wondering if we should revisit

[0:53:46] Voice 1: those questions to see if there's any if they're still needed if they're still relevant

[0:53:52] Voice 1: related to this application or maybe have somehow been concluded in some manner I wasn't on the site

[0:54:01] Voice 1: visit myself but I think that should determine our understanding of what those questions are

[0:54:09] Voice 1: to see if this changed and I explained very well for example I think one of the questions was are

[0:54:15] Voice 1: there any issues raised about why other First Nations and like through that referral process

[0:54:22] Voice 1: It's just open to all nations, but in this case only the Connecticut tribe has chosen

[0:54:27] Voice 1: to engage.

[0:54:29] Voice 1: And this property is privately owned, it's not ground land, so it's not, I don't believe

[0:54:35] Voice 1: it's been founded, the nature of consultation obligations and jobs.

[0:54:39] Voice 1: So I don't know that we need to ask that question.

[0:54:43] Voice 6: Right.

[0:54:43] Voice 6: And looking at those questions, which start at the bottom of page 20 on page 21, I think

[0:54:49] Voice 6: it's pretty clear.

[0:54:50] Voice 6: the first question is around malcolm's interest and capacity to see the land transfer i think that

[0:54:57] Voice 6: one can be tipped off as we know the answer um the provincial rules have changed just in this calendar

[0:55:05] Voice 6: year about uh first nations um and uh holding fee simple land i know earlier in the conversation we

[0:55:13] Voice 6: talked about the panelica might need to actually create a corporate body that's no longer the case

[0:55:19] Voice 6: um so i think we can tick that one off as answered so seem reasonable um positive about that okay

[0:55:29] Voice 6: well i mean just the question for me becomes i mean if this was a salt division application

[0:55:36] Voice 6: i think i agree with you but i'm i'm i just need to hear from brad on this one

[0:55:44] Voice 6: that um so is that would

[0:55:51] Voice 4: that address it i think i think uh chair the chair's first bullet i think

[0:55:57] Voice 4: that uh that has been answered their interest has been uh formally expressed in the letter

[0:56:02] Voice 4: written by chief jack and they have indicated they can uh receive the land so

[0:56:08] Voice 1: that one's been

[0:56:08] Voice 4: answered i i uh i think where you're asking is the bullet three in terms of whether other first

[0:56:14] Voice 4: nations the views of other nations that what i so i we've had lots of conversations with

[0:56:20] Voice 4: penelicate staff and so i don't want to because there's not a lot in writing i don't want to

[0:56:26] Voice 4: for them but what my understanding is is that it's an element of core territory and that you know

[0:56:35] Voice 4: they have good relations with their neighboring nations and they don't see that any nations would

[0:56:40] Voice 4: raise flags with those particular lands going back to the but uh because it's rezoning and it's

[0:56:47] Voice 4: requires an ocp amendment it does go to the minister and so the minister will expect that

[0:56:53] Voice 4: the first nations consul to do duties are met for all of these nations so i think that

[0:56:59] Voice 4: uh the outcome of those consultations would be positive but they haven't been done for

[0:57:05] Voice 4: point and so that makes

[0:57:09] Voice 1: sense yeah i'm kind of looking for like a shared understanding of it

[0:57:14] Voice 1: and hopefully bring it on these questions

[0:57:18] Voice 6: yeah yeah so yeah so i mean i think in that sense

[0:57:24] Voice 6: from my perspective um so just to clarify that last point uh before there as this as the process

[0:57:35] Voice 6: would go ahead those um those cons those consultations with other first nations would

[0:57:41] Voice 6: happen as a matter of course right so we can we they haven't been completed but we can take it

[0:57:47] Voice 6: that that will happen in terms of and

[0:57:50] Voice 4: from what i've learned there the the canalic it's

[0:57:53] Voice 4: understanding of other nations is that there wouldn't be okay so

[0:58:01] Voice 6: i think that those two items

[0:58:03] Voice 6: or maybe not as open-ended or pressing

[0:58:09] Voice 6: as maybe as some of the others.

[0:58:12] Voice 6: I'd

[0:58:12] Voice 4: say bullet two is the key one.

[0:58:14] Voice 6: Bullet two is key about the lot layout,

[0:58:18] Voice 6: future use, archaeological address, et cetera, yeah.

[0:58:21] Voice 4: Bullet three is more tied to

[0:58:22] Voice 4: how do we get the answers to bullet two?

[0:58:25] Voice 4: Like how do we,

[0:58:27] Voice 4: and how did the applicant effectively engage

[0:58:29] Voice 4: with the presentation to have those discussions

[0:58:33] Voice 4: questions and results

[0:58:34] Voice 6: and outcomes.

[0:58:37] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:58:49] Voice 6: And just let me know.

[0:58:57] Voice 6: We've been asked to keep it quiet.

[0:59:00] Voice 6: So there's no way it goes on,

[0:59:10] Voice 6: you know, sorry, sorry to say,

[0:59:12] Voice 6: but I hear other areas where

[0:59:17] Voice 6: sites are being dug up. According to our elders, we try not to share too much of that. Like

[0:59:30] Voice 6: if I came and said, here's our sites, here's our burial grounds, and here's, you know,

[0:59:36] Voice 6: which clearly, you know, in my eyes, it's clear, these are the villages, utilize free

[0:59:46] Voice 6: free contact all the time.

[0:59:49] Voice 6: So, you know, I just wanted to let you guys know

[0:59:52] Voice 6: that there are concerns on sharing a lot of these things.

[1:00:00] Voice 3: Which I think

[1:00:01] Voice 6: we are definitely willing to work with everyone, especially the far north end of the island.

[1:00:13] Voice 6: You know, we're still doing aerial ground things that are, you know, which is the stone's throw from when we were talking.

[1:00:26] Voice 6: So I just wanted to remind everyone that, you know, we're here, we work with you, all the consultation, the talking, I think, you know, can be resolved.

[1:00:49] Voice 6: But I just wanted to, you know, there's probably going to be some rejections from our elders community.

[1:00:57] Voice 6: But I just wanted to remind, remind the table that, you know, I don't just

[1:01:06] Voice 7: accept to share that.

[1:01:08] Voice 7: that.

[1:01:09] Voice 6: Any other questions from 17?

[1:01:15] Pull

[1:01:21] Voice 6: me aside, rest to receive a little bit of our again, I don't think there's all this

[1:01:41] Voice 6: being thought of for. We're here to be respectful.

[1:02:13] Voice 6: Just

[1:02:14] Voice 4: completely understand your concerns and the concerns of your elders around that

[1:02:18] Voice 4: sensitive information i don't think we even need to usually divulge any of it what we have is uh

[1:02:26] Voice 4: two bots as you know 75 is allocated to be donated 25 is is allocated to be kept what

[1:02:36] Voice 4: we need to understand i think is around those boundary areas uh in however way that can be

[1:02:42] Voice 4: articulate are those boundaries impacting direct significant like is there some slight adjustment

[1:02:52] Voice 4: to those boundaries and that's what we talked about with josh and rob on site like how do we

[1:02:56] Voice 4: facilitate that conversation in a really sensitive and respectable way to get to a place where those

[1:03:02] Voice 4: site boundaries are respectful of those most important areas to you culturally without you

[1:03:06] Voice 4: having to divulge what those areas are and where they are and that's part of the conversation i

[1:03:11] Voice 4: think that needs to occur in it could really almost just between the nation and the applicant

[1:03:17] Voice 4: to fine-tune that boundary uh to make sure that those interests are most uh considered

[1:03:26] Voice 4: uh when land transfer that's true but that is helpful so i'm just saying

[1:03:31] Voice 4: I know I totally agree

[1:03:33] Voice 6: with the difference between our sub-plan and our neighbors here.

[1:03:39] Voice 6: You know, when we get too much input on one situation, it causes great confusion.

[1:03:47] Voice 6: So I think with an understanding between our knowledge holders and cultural workers,

[1:03:56] Voice 6: I'm sharing with our neighbors that result that, you know, I think it can be done, because

[1:04:03] Voice 6: as we talked about, you know,

[1:04:07] Voice 4: part of that, when we met with Robin and Josh on site, to

[1:04:16] Voice 4: signal I think they like, we're pretty close with the 25% 75% but there was definitely

[1:04:22] Voice 4: in some areas where they saw some potential fine tuning so that would be one of the kind of

[1:04:27] Voice 4: technical uh activities that would need to occur before we could take place for uh that boundary

[1:04:34] Voice 4: can be kind of agreed on between your two parties at the start and then brought to their local trust

[1:04:39] Voice 4: committee for them too

[1:04:40] Voice 6: yeah yeah i just wanted to express that my appreciation first of all i

[1:04:49] Voice 6: I also need to acknowledge that I, you know,

[1:04:53] Voice 6: my ancestors are from the Penelope.

[1:04:56] Voice 6: So in respect to our, you know,

[1:04:58] Voice 6: my relatives and speaking to the importance

[1:05:01] Voice 6: of our family members,

[1:05:04] Voice 6: it's that whole sacredness in regards to the land

[1:05:07] Voice 6: that we speak to, that we hold at the highest standard

[1:05:11] Voice 6: in regards to our First Nations, in regards to protecting.

[1:05:15] Voice 6: It's a higher standard than the colonial structure

[1:05:17] Voice 6: that we're speaking to in regards to preserving and protecting and it's even higher than that

[1:05:24] Voice 6: because it's not moral sacredness to our people and I need to acknowledge that but also I you

[1:05:30] Voice 6: know I was I was at the site visit night just for my clarity I guess you know in regards to

[1:05:36] Voice 6: so 75 percent is going to be returned back to and 25 percent to IPC Island Trust Conservancy or

[1:05:47] Voice 4: retained by the applicant by

[1:05:49] Voice 6: that meditative okay yeah so yeah so they would

[1:05:52] Voice 4: be donating 75 percent

[1:05:54] Voice 4: of their land in the sense the community amenity to uh receive rezoning approval for their coming

[1:05:59] Voice 4: to to carry out their meditative retreat use which would be site-specific zoning for them

[1:06:06] Voice 4: yeah i

[1:06:11] Voice 6: think i have a question for the applicant i mean you've heard what's been talked about um

[1:06:19] Voice 6: but at what point or what type of document what do you need to see to you you've heard what the

[1:06:28] Voice 6: penultimate are saying and i understand i mean i get it this is a private this is private land

[1:06:34] Voice 6: right now right this is not um public land it's not crown land it's not something that we're

[1:06:39] Voice 6: talking about like that um and i know you know the covenant is a legal instrument that

[1:06:47] Voice 6: that, you know, that is used to assure going forward the uses that you perceive would happen

[1:07:01] Voice 6: on that land. You've heard Joe and Ken talk about the higher standard of the Malacca on the lands

[1:07:10] Voice 6: that they consider sacred. What instrument are you comfortable with moving forward? Because that's

[1:07:19] Voice 6: the real question here right well

[1:07:23] Voice 5: i think that that that is certainly one of the key questions

[1:07:26] Voice 5: and that's a very um that's a very pregnant pragmatic concrete question for which i wouldn't

[1:07:34] Voice 5: say that janice and i actually have the expertise right and i think that that what we've spoken

[1:07:42] Voice 5: about actually at the site visit too with rob and josh we kind of had a meeting of the lines

[1:07:52] Voice 5: um that this needs to come from both sides you know we need to have an understanding

[1:07:59] Voice 5: we need to have an understanding of what your um what would you equate to a document or something

[1:08:07] Voice 5: that would give you the assurance that but we understand what we mean and vice versa right

[1:08:15] Voice 5: and i don't know that there is i mean we know about covenants chris the mountain has talked

[1:08:21] Voice 5: about presidents for a long time they got to turn apart and put together and call the rest of it

[1:08:26] Voice 5: um i don't know how you see a document like that you know we could explore that with somebody who

[1:08:32] Voice 5: understands the particulars of the 2019 covenant that would protect that would protect all parties

[1:08:39] Voice 5: involved if you see what it's saying but i think it's premature for us to be able to say what would

[1:08:44] Voice 5: be a satisfactory document yeah right that's one of the big questions and all the details that need

[1:08:50] Voice 5: to be ironed out so that everybody both neighbors feel very comfortable about it so

[1:08:57] Voice 6: yeah appreciate

[1:08:59] Voice 6: that kevin and again i'll just address the people for clarification i think this is definitely

[1:09:06] Voice 6: getting the ball rolling the communication starting now right you know i think there has to

[1:09:17] Voice 6: to be some more discussion so we are comfortable neighbors you

[1:09:22] Voice 8: know

[1:09:24] Voice 6: the communication is really

[1:09:25] Voice 6: important you know the uh our homeland is important for us and so it does right

[1:09:34] Voice 6: i'm looking after each other and trying to figure out

[1:09:39] Voice 6: what we're you know i can't you know i i'm on council for my nation i'm really proud to

[1:09:48] Voice 6: represent us but i'm on board i need my leadership people and my cultural workers

[1:09:58] Voice 6: to have an input in there because it's it is a big thing working together keeping this good

[1:10:08] Voice 6: feeling going is what i'd like to see personally that's my the communication and coming together

[1:10:16] Voice 6: and working together like you know i i encourage the have with robert and a few others involved in

[1:10:34] Voice 6: in the arcs. I'm involved

[1:10:37] Voice 6: in that too. That's why I got it on my voice, you know, and some

[1:10:45] Voice 6: of our authors and other people have to be. So I encourage future meetings with us and

[1:10:57] Voice 6: keep it going. Again, that's what I encourage is keep the communication going and be respectful.

[1:11:11] Voice 6: staff

[1:11:19] Voice 4: person that we should be working to engage with moving forward and like we've been trying to

[1:11:26] Voice 4: engage with rob and with josh uh it's been a bit hit and miss to be honest in terms of robert

[1:11:33] Voice 4: morton robert morton it was rob

[1:11:35] Voice 4: josh joshua james and rob morton who were the were the people that

[1:11:40] Voice 4: attended the site visit because there are no Council of Chiefs available.

[1:11:46] Voice 6: Robert Sam is in touch with the cultural texts, along with myself, more so Robert Sam.

[1:11:56] Voice 6: So I'm trying to reach out to Robert Sam or myself because that's why I wasn't there.

[1:12:33] Voice 9: I

[1:12:36] Voice 6: was just going to say in terms of the LTC role at this point, you have some recommendations

[1:12:44] Voice 6: here that I guess the way I look at them is to sort of formally signal our support for ultimately

[1:12:56] Voice 6: what a lot of the work is going to be between Connecticut and the applicants here. And I don't

[1:13:04] Voice 6: know that, I think there's, our actual role in those discussions is limited to non-existent

[1:13:14] Voice 6: unless we can be of help in some ways but i think a lot of what we're discussing here is

[1:13:19] Voice 6: actually kind of falls outside of our decision-making role here but i also wanted to

[1:13:25] Voice 6: get the space for you guys to have that initial discussion a little bit about it today but um

[1:13:31] Voice 6: to to get us back on to sort of in our wheelhouse if you will um uh we do have these three

[1:13:39] Voice 6: recommendations uh from staff that are sort of enabling um our our end doing what we do and and

[1:13:48] Voice 6: and sort of giving that giving the go-ahead in that sense to um to the applicants and and

[1:13:55] Voice 6: teleco to get engaged in some of those discussions where we we don't have to be

[1:14:03] Voice 6: we go right in there for some of for i think a fair fair amount of it yeah um

[1:14:08] Voice 1: i'm so ready

[1:14:09] Voice 1: to discuss the recommendations just because i think there's still a couple of dangling issues

[1:14:14] Voice 1: okay um one of them i'm just going to bring it up because i said no particular order

[1:14:19] Voice 1: at all but in our ocp um we do talk about community benefits and we're talking about

[1:14:25] Voice 1: four slots and rezoning and um you know and i know about galliano you know a lot of history with the

[1:14:33] Voice 1: rezoning force loss has been it's been uh a lot of years uh anyway so my question is

[1:14:40] Voice 1: okay uh when transferring title yeah to anyone other than ipc meet the rezoning requirement

[1:14:47] Voice 1: is stated in galliano as stated in the ocp um yeah around community benefit so if they're going to be

[1:15:04] Voice 1: that this is not a community that i'm saying this isn't in our ocp and i think that's something we

[1:15:11] Voice 1: should address and we need to keep on moving forward

[1:15:16] Voice 7: let's

[1:15:19] Voice 1: just put it in there

[1:15:20] Voice 7: so put it

[1:15:21] Voice 7: in there how do we proceed here whether there's any ideas yeah

[1:15:27] Voice 6: and i think that um

[1:15:30] Voice 6: sort of back up from what i was saying earlier but that that also to me speaks to the

[1:15:36] Voice 6: the future land use question and there and and in that there will be an interaction between

[1:15:46] Voice 6: you know these guys need to have a discussion and then we'll need to have a discussion and

[1:15:51] Voice 6: none of this is gonna happen overnight or super quick or easy but you know not to say that we

[1:15:57] Voice 6: have no role we we still have a lot of role left in here but there's parts of the discussion that

[1:16:02] Voice 6: i think that are what i've done is part of the part of the discussion between the applicants

[1:16:08] Voice 6: delicate doesn't need to involve us there we're not we're not involved anymore at all i wasn't

[1:16:15] Voice 6: trying to do that yeah

[1:16:16] Voice 9: yeah

[1:16:17] Voice 6: just maybe yeah and thanks for bringing it up lisa i mean i

[1:16:26] Voice 6: My struggle is I want to define this group, like I don't want us to be included in something

[1:16:33] Voice 6: that the Penelope and the Crystal Mountain group should be doing themselves, right?

[1:16:39] Voice 6: These are discussions that you're both going to be living on this land.

[1:16:43] Voice 6: These are private discussions, in essence, between the two of you.

[1:16:48] Voice 6: But how do we get there, right?

[1:16:50] Voice 6: How do we get to that point?

[1:16:52] Voice 6: I'm just going to come on and say, is it possible for a third party to hold the covenant until

[1:17:03] Voice 6: those negotiations are complete?

[1:17:05] Voice 6: Is it possible to have a third party in there so that both sides can take the time they

[1:17:13] Voice 6: need to discuss what that future looks like?

[1:17:18] Voice 6: Because that could take a long time.

[1:17:20] Voice 6: This is my worry.

[1:17:22] Voice 6: I mean, this is my worry.

[1:17:23] Voice 6: This is not a conversation that's had over a few months, right?

[1:17:28] Voice 6: This conversation is going to take a long time.

[1:17:31] Voice 6: And so for us to move forward, to stay in our lane and move forward and bring this back to public hearing,

[1:17:38] Voice 6: is that an alternative to have a third party involved to either hold the covenant?

[1:17:45] Voice 6: And you brought up the point about holding title until that occurs, right?

[1:17:49] Voice 6: Right. So I just want to throw that out there for discussion.

[1:17:53] Voice 6: I'm not the applicants and Ken and Joe are here because my fear is that nothing happens.

[1:18:04] Voice 8: And

[1:18:04] Voice 6: the next thing you know, you just have a single landowner up there.

[1:18:07] Voice 6: They sell a single landowner up there and nobody gets anything.

[1:18:13] Voice 6: And the fact is that, you know, these are sacred lands of the Penelope.

[1:18:18] Voice 6: And so we've got to do everything we can to try and get them to that point.

[1:18:23] Voice 6: I believe we've got to try and do everything we can to get to that point.

[1:18:28] Voice 6: And that includes providing something to the applicant so that they're comfortable in that process to get to that point.

[1:18:37] Voice 6: And so I guess I want to hear from Brad on that.

[1:18:42] Voice 6: is it possible for a third party to hold the covenant until such a time that the applicant

[1:18:48] Voice 6: and the tribe have reached

[1:18:50] Voice 4: an agreement like like assuming you rezone the parcel yeah um i mean

[1:19:02] Voice 4: i guess i i i think i'm a lawyer so i don't know what that would look like but i assume it's

[1:19:07] Voice 4: possible but in my mind i don't think they're as far off as years away it's like in my mind

[1:19:13] Voice 4: they uh the key questions that need to be uh uh addressed and it sounds like there's uh

[1:19:20] Voice 4: cooperation in the room to at least explore how how they get answered is one uh if it goes to

[1:19:27] Voice 4: the first nation is are are they okay with it being named nature protection uh because then

[1:19:35] Voice 4: that would facilitate their neighbors use and enjoyment of their lot as as over time uh and

[1:19:44] Voice 4: if they are then how do you secure that if it's not a section 219 covenant whether it's

[1:19:53] Voice 4: some kind of good neighbor agreement or like it really ultimately has the the landowner has to

[1:20:00] Voice 4: be able to live with whatever that looks like like a future ltc could could look at nature protection

[1:20:07] Voice 4: zoning and like the risk is of

[1:20:10] Voice 4: is the nation in 10 years from now with a different chief of council

[1:20:13] Voice 4: and a different ltc coming back and saying we want to use a portion of this law for institutional use

[1:20:20] Voice 4: or housing use which are of course completely appropriate uses but they may not be compatible

[1:20:25] Voice 4: compatible with this unique use of the of the neighbor so that's one addressing those questions

[1:20:32] Voice 4: and then two if you can get past that what is the boundary boundary cleanup like we just i just

[1:20:40] Voice 4: talked with ken about like that work with the elders and the cultural advisors to make sure

[1:20:46] Voice 4: that the boundary uh is as uh as least impactful as possible to those sensitive features while

[1:20:56] Voice 4: still coming up with a 75 25 split and going through that technical exercise i see adjusting

[1:21:04] Voice 4: the line a little bit here to perhaps avoid this particularly sensitive area and giving some of

[1:21:11] Voice 4: that that's been moved back over on another little spot where there's no sensitive ecological or or

[1:21:19] Voice 4: impersonation concerns and doing that like those are the two pieces of work i see that the two real

[1:21:26] Voice 4: tangible pieces of work that need to be worked through they could get to that place and bring

[1:21:31] Voice 4: that back to the tlc with something that would uh satisfy your needs and then just backing up to uh

[1:21:41] Voice 4: questions around community benefit with respect to community benefit you have a wide

[1:21:47] Voice 4: discretion to decide what community benefit is and I would also add that there is there would

[1:21:55] Voice 4: still need to be the discussion around the CRD right away that Connecticut is willing to accept

[1:22:00] Voice 4: that as ITC was willing to that's community benefit so there are other community benefits to

[1:22:06] Voice 4: to this proposal. Still, that's helpful. Thank

[1:22:12] Voice 7: you.

[1:22:14] Voice 6: So my question then goes to the applicant

[1:22:19] Voice 6: is, I mean, you've heard what I said. It's not just the two of us address, you know,

[1:22:30] Voice 6: to talk for um where do we you know what what where do you stand in that in that process of

[1:22:40] Voice 6: how comfortable are you with that with an agreement with the palliative or do you need a

[1:22:46] Voice 6: you know just where are you at with that in regards to your your want for protection

[1:22:53] Voice 1: well i think the idea of a third party is useful especially in this case where this is kind of the

[1:23:00] Voice 1: first time for something happening like this and a third

[1:23:06] Voice 7: party allows maybe some

[1:23:11] Voice 1: some measures of security or guidance for the process in a way that might be hard for

[1:23:22] Voice 1: us to find the other thing is is it might depending on who that third party is it

[1:23:28] Voice 1: It might allow us to continue with our application using the Section 99 mechanism,

[1:23:34] Voice 1: which has been key to everything that we've done for 10 years.

[1:23:40] Voice 1: Without a Section 99, the recipient has to be recognized by the government to use a Section 99.

[1:23:51] Voice 1: Otherwise, we're going to throw them back five years in our plan.

[1:23:57] Voice 1: so a third party might depending on who it is allowed for that to happen but someone knows

[1:24:07] Voice 4: it's important to understand though that with the section 99 that they would waive the requirements

[1:24:12] Voice 4: of the land to be donated if it was going to a public body but you would still need to meet all

[1:24:17] Voice 4: the regular subdivision requirements on your parcel so you would need to be waterproof so

[1:24:24] Voice 4: so so section 99 might actually not be like typically section 99s are used where

[1:24:31] Voice 4: a land is being donated and the the the parcels already built out for example

[1:24:36] Voice 4: and the property owner is donating a piece of land so there the development potential on that

[1:24:43] Voice 4: so i i i'm not certain that you would and in our experiences with the approving officers on other

[1:24:51] Voice 4: recent conversations we're having a lot like section 99 is not as easy to get to as as as you

[1:24:58] Voice 4: might you might actually get to a place where the ministry says that section is

[1:25:03] Voice 4: that you have to go

[1:25:06] Voice 4: down the road of conventional subdivision anyway just to clear there's no guarantee that you would

[1:25:11] Voice 4: be approved through section 9 and we're finding that the ministry is more risk adverse to those

[1:25:22] Voice 5: Well, this is kind of a good example, I think, of the details that have, you know, unknown

[1:25:29] Voice 5: factors to them that are really very important. And I appreciate Brad's further look into

[1:25:36] Voice 5: this. And we will definitely get back to, you know, as a survey that we surveyed that

[1:25:42] Voice 5: we have, what do you call that a draft survey, which is a draft survey out there, you know,

[1:25:48] Voice 5: they're quite knowledgeable about all that kind of stuff.

[1:25:53] Voice 5: Conversation with the land title and survey authority

[1:25:57] Voice 5: that we have, but that's a little while ago.

[1:26:01] Voice 5: But I'm giving those as an example

[1:26:03] Voice 5: of where we can go to get more clarity

[1:26:08] Voice 5: because time keeps passing and stuff changes.

[1:26:13] Voice 5: And I'm trying to, this is section 99,

[1:26:17] Voice 5: you know, it definitely underlays certain facets of our layout, right?

[1:26:34] Voice 5: And what was your original question, Ben?

[1:26:37] Voice 5: Was your last original question that was to us that had to do with how are we feeling about?

[1:26:44] Voice 6: Well, yeah, I mean, just how is your group, what does your group need for assurance?

[1:26:50] Voice 6: well

[1:26:51] Voice 5: that and so

[1:26:52] Voice 5: we were talking about about that and what keeps coming to my mind is the sense that

[1:26:57] Voice 5: that the penelope folks have you know their their tribe their families and their expertise

[1:27:04] Voice 5: and their guidance and you know counsel that's right there within their body right we don't

[1:27:12] Voice 5: have that we have what we need you know it's crystal mountain membership but that doesn't

[1:27:17] Voice 5: and include the kind of unified talent that they have.

[1:27:26] Voice 5: We have to go outside of our membership

[1:27:29] Voice 5: to acquire that expertise, whether it's

[1:27:32] Voice 5: surveyors, or consultation with agency people, or lawyers,

[1:27:36] Voice 5: and biologists, et cetera.

[1:27:39] Voice 5: Now, at the site visit, we did bring up,

[1:27:42] Voice 5: and I

[1:27:42] Voice 5: say the word lawyer, and I go,

[1:27:45] Voice 5: um because to me a lot of things a lot of people but i feel confident in saying that at the site

[1:27:51] Voice 5: visit both sides brought that up that ultimately you would need um legal advice counsel and you

[1:27:59] Voice 5: know reviewing whatever kind of covenant or documentation or agreements that we came up with

[1:28:04] Voice 5: you know that would be really important so so in my mind i'm not seeing a picture okay i i am seeing

[1:28:12] Voice 5: a picture of a definite consultation engagement between fidelica and crystal mountain right and

[1:28:20] Voice 5: islands trust um and the ltc being kept informed and questions asked of you whenever necessary

[1:28:29] Voice 5: so that's three parties right um and i i you know i would bring up the question of the

[1:28:36] Voice 5: have a trust insurgency which hasn't actually been mentioned yet but this is the agency that we were

[1:28:42] Voice 5: you know that's what our application is based on and they have a lot of expertise and well

[1:28:49] Voice 5: the mandate if I'm using the right words is conservation right they're kind of a single

[1:28:56] Voice 5: purpose agency if I can say it that way and so when you get to the question about use

[1:29:03] Voice 5: that's really, that's a very useful bottom, right?

[1:29:08] Voice 5: And because we are really focused on use,

[1:29:11] Voice 5: I think both parties are really focused on land use.

[1:29:16] Voice 5: What do we see as the use on that land

[1:29:18] Voice 5: and how is it

[1:29:20] Voice 5: enshrined in perpetuity, basically?

[1:29:23] Voice 5: So does that answer your question?

[1:29:25] Voice 5: I don't think that we contain that expertise within us

[1:29:28] Voice 5: to be able to say, you know, this is what we,

[1:29:30] Voice 5: This is the document we need.

[1:29:32] Voice 5: Right.

[1:29:37] I think it's

[1:29:40] Voice 6: going to go to Ken and then I'll go back to you.

[1:29:46] Voice 6: We might have to find what I'm hearing right now. It seems like it's on the speculating side.

[1:29:52] Voice 6: And I think we've got to have our talks.

[1:29:56] Voice 6: And then we can build a plan there.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: You know, for, I don't think it's, well,

[1:30:04] Voice 6: I don't think it's going to take a lot of years to get going,

[1:30:09] Voice 6: but I think we're going to start having our meetings with our elders

[1:30:14] Voice 6: and our cultural leaders for that.

[1:30:18] Voice 6: And, you know, from just sitting back, listening, and absorbing this,

[1:30:23] Voice 6: it seems like we're definitely on the path of working together.

[1:30:30] Voice 6: you know I think third party could be a third wheel you know slowing things down or whatever

[1:30:37] Voice 6: but you know we have a table here to also look for advice or a bit of guidance here right

[1:30:48] Voice 6: and definitely I think we can work through it but you know right now I think we're talking

[1:30:55] Voice 6: and speculation, and then I think we should have our meetings and then go from there.

[1:31:04] Voice 6: I think as we move on, I think a lot of these questions and concerns between us will definitely be clarified.

[1:31:16] Voice 6: I mean, that's what I'm exhorting on. I think there definitely is room for resolving some of these.

[1:31:27] Voice 6: Again, that's, that's a word that when I talk, it's, it's limited for me because I need those people.

[1:31:43] And because there might be something I'm missing or there might be something I'm

[1:31:49] Voice 6: not sure about.

[1:31:50] Voice 6: If we get off we're all better and I'll have that input in and we'll get it going.

[1:31:57] Voice 6: I can see this, I'm just sitting back and I'm sorry.

[1:32:04] Voice 6: I

[1:32:10] Voice 4: was just trying to, maybe there is some kind of legal land use agreement that you could

[1:32:16] Voice 4: land on between the nation and the property owner that respects the principles and First Nation

[1:32:22] Voice 4: laws that are different than the section 319, but still creates some kind of legal expectation

[1:32:34] Voice 4: that at least your uses will be protected. I don't know what that looks like, but maybe

[1:32:44] Voice 4: something like that could be entertained yeah

[1:32:46] Voice 6: and sort of circling back to my point earlier

[1:32:50] Voice 6: there's it's clear to me that there's some of these questions are going to be for for

[1:32:56] Voice 6: youtube groups to hash out and then because i think what you're saying is that there could

[1:33:00] Voice 6: be points of contact back to the staff or the ltc for clarity on and some of it but

[1:33:08] Voice 6: that's clearly a lot of this is going to be for you guys to to um to discuss and to come up with

[1:33:14] Voice 6: those solutions and see you know check back in to make sure that they're

[1:33:18] Voice 6: that we're allowed just basically for those to sign off on that um

[1:33:26] Voice 6: i just want to first of all i want to say even though that i stated by my relations to

[1:33:33] Voice 6: to the lands that we're speaking about.

[1:33:35] Voice 6: I don't speak in any way for Penelakut.

[1:33:37] Voice 6: I speak in regards to my role as a business advisor

[1:33:40] Voice 6: for this process.

[1:33:42] Voice 6: And as we look at the systemic challenges

[1:33:44] Voice 6: that our first-age people have

[1:33:45] Voice 6: in regards to facilitate this,

[1:33:47] Voice 6: and what I hear is that there's not

[1:33:49] Voice 6: a community purpose alone in Penelakut to come together.

[1:33:53] Voice 6: So rather than us start stipulating direction,

[1:33:57] Voice 6: I think we trust the process for them to come together

[1:33:59] Voice 6: together, and they establish a process for matching the table here. And then maybe they'll

[1:34:05] Voice 6: get a final resolution. Because as soon as we start laying down, what needs to happen,

[1:34:12] Voice 6: where Penelope is, you know, they feed this place from these lands, their home, they've

[1:34:20] Voice 6: had a reservation that was larger, and they got reduced at a certain time. And so there's

[1:34:26] Voice 6: There's years and years of oppression that has taken place, and I think that speaks to

[1:34:32] Voice 6: your protocol that you did earlier, that there's layers and layers of oppression that has occurred,

[1:34:41] Voice 6: systemic challenges, and in our culture, when something as sacred as an exchange like that,

[1:34:49] Voice 6: it becomes between who wants to give that gift, to reach out to Connecticut and have

[1:34:55] Voice 6: that meeting have that discussion and come to a resolution come to the medium and then bring it

[1:35:00] Voice 6: back to the table and so rather than sit here and say what we need let's trust that we're going to

[1:35:06] Voice 6: come up with that solution yeah and that i i mean you can do a good job of good and saying that

[1:35:16] Voice 6: that's kind of what i was trying to say there's a lot of this discussion doesn't and that doesn't

[1:35:23] Voice 6: need to include you know us elected people here at this table so um but uh to get back to where um

[1:35:34] Voice 6: where our sort of rules and procedures in terms of what we do do at this table um uh we we have

[1:35:49] Voice 6: these recommendations and i don't know where trustees are at today and i don't know in terms

[1:35:54] Voice 6: In terms of what, what is one of these are meaningful in terms of our end of basically saying, go to it you guys.

[1:36:06] Voice 6: And so I think they'll just look to staff on that is it is it necessary that we make all of these recommendations today, like, just in terms of enabling.

[1:36:23] Voice 6: enabling so that we're not we we don't want to be hindering your process or or or in any way making

[1:36:31] Voice 6: it so that any more difficult it's just before I tried to put

[1:36:35] Voice 6: too many words in there um just

[1:36:38] Voice 6: yeah I think Joe for the words um yeah I think we're sort of at that point do the recommendations

[1:36:46] Voice 6: allow the two parties to move forward.

[1:36:50] Voice 6: I mean, I think the two parties need to decide, each of them,

[1:36:54] Voice 6: working together, what each needs to move forward here,

[1:36:57] Voice 6: whether the Crystal Mountain needs a legal agreement and what

[1:37:01] Voice 6: are willing to, you know, where the trade-off is there,

[1:37:05] Voice 6: and that's your guys' job, do these recommendations, allowing

[1:37:09] Voice 6: to do that.

[1:37:12] Voice 4: I think the

[1:37:13] Voice 4: I think those are the three things that the local trust community really needs to understand.

[1:37:24] Voice 4: And there's a whole bunch of work to unpack that that you can send them a way to go do

[1:37:29] Voice 4: and support staff.

[1:37:33] Voice 5: Yes.

[1:37:34] Voice 5: So I understand the discussion about recommendations.

[1:37:39] Voice 5: And then a couple of things further on the staff report, there's alternatives, right?

[1:37:44] Voice 5: Right. So you guys haven't discussed this yet and how does that possibly, I don't want you to just deny the application that holds it.

[1:37:56] Voice 5: Right.

[1:37:59] Voice 6: Fair enough. And then there's a request for the, yeah, I mean, and certainly the alternatives are provided by staff just to kind of keep our minds on the reality that staff recommendations aren't the only option.

[1:38:15] Voice 6: and of course other alternatives are that any one of us makes uh motions god forbid on the fly

[1:38:23] Voice 6: or even better process wise notice of motion for something in the future or written and submitted

[1:38:30] Voice 6: to staff in advance but uh it were not bound just to the the recommendations at the top

[1:38:36] Voice 6: um but i did have uh and i think you sort of answered

[1:38:43] Voice 6: answered my question about um in terms of our end of this process and and and these recommendations

[1:38:55] Voice 6: um from the staff perspective is is it makes the most obviously it makes the most sense

[1:39:05] Voice 6: for you and your work in terms of what we do for us to go ahead to these recommendations and then

[1:39:11] Voice 6: essentially I think the tossing the ball over to these two and saying come back at any time

[1:39:20] Voice 6: along the process you need to do that iterative but most of it's going to a lot of this is going

[1:39:24] Voice 6: to be for you guys to to discuss and figure out right is that fair

[1:39:30] Voice 4: absolutely I don't think

[1:39:32] Voice 4: nothing I hear today would shift my my thoughts around those recommendations I think we've done

[1:39:37] Voice 4: a bunch of work and getting the letter from uh chief jack you know verifies in writing the

[1:39:43] Voice 4: interest which is important to have and now working through all these details uh hopefully

[1:39:50] Voice 4: coming out of this meeting we can uh for the applicant and the nation figure out a working

[1:39:55] Voice 4: relationship to start moving and advancing some of these discussions for just returning back to

[1:40:01] Voice 4: a question that the trustee ever had uh i don't see any conflicts in the ocp with giving commands

[1:40:08] Voice 4: to the nation as opposed to the itc so um there's no direct conflict that you would have to consider

[1:40:16] Voice 4: or amend the 75 provisions in the ocp or site specific to those particular properties aren't

[1:40:23] Voice 4: specific policies around that in general so i don't see uh any uh obstacles from your ocp

[1:40:31] Voice 4: as it's currently written of course you could always have named the ocp if there was a conflict

[1:40:38] Voice 4: but certainly

[1:40:39] Voice 1: again like yeah eventually you

[1:40:41] Voice 1: get there yeah

[1:40:42] Voice 4: but i don't see you having to make any

[1:40:44] Voice 4: you could add language to help further support what you're trying to advance here in terms of

[1:40:50] Voice 4: reconciliation but i don't see that you would have yeah

[1:40:54] Voice 7: i agree yeah

[1:40:57] Voice 6: and that clarity is helpful so

[1:40:59] Voice 6: that we better to know now that you know

[1:41:02] Voice 6: yeah yeah yes

[1:41:06] Voice 7: we endeavor to uh possible cp review

[1:41:08] Voice 7: in our future too that's definitely sure i

[1:41:11] Voice 7: like you again um it's flesh on that i think it's a

[1:41:16] Voice 7: again.

[1:41:20] Voice 1: I didn't have a question about motion number three. I'm

[1:41:22] Voice 1: feeling like that's sort of one that's been highlighted here.

[1:41:25] Voice 1: It'd be possible just to maybe end the motion after GLRZ 2014.1

[1:41:35] Voice 1: ended there and then not have the specifics of what that

[1:41:38] Voice 1: includes. I

[1:41:41] Voice 7: would favor that motion.

[1:41:44] Voice 4: Yeah, it's your motion. You can do whatever you want.

[1:41:48] Voice 7: it's

[1:41:53] Voice 6: also unspoken anyways isn't it yeah

[1:41:55] Voice 7: it is it's it's just gives a direction

[1:41:58] Voice 7: um the discussions we've received

[1:42:03] Voice 7: so we want to add anything

[1:42:10] Voice 6: i mean i know i do

[1:42:16] Voice 1: think that there's something between what trustee neighborly and what libby

[1:42:21] Voice 1: has said about i mean libby you expressed it in this way that we don't have the expertise in

[1:42:30] Voice 1: crystal mountain to look at a lot of the details of what can happen now that it does now that it

[1:42:38] Voice 1: has history relationship family land code ideas and so this idea of a third party it does capture

[1:42:50] Voice 1: my attention in terms of us having because we have been in relationship with island stress

[1:42:59] Voice 1: conservancy that there's a there's a body of knowledge there that we respect and that we

[1:43:04] Voice 1: have looked to all this time and it's been you know sanctioned by the galliano community and

[1:43:11] Voice 1: there's been a lot of um a lot of direction in that way so i i feel a little bit like this process

[1:43:20] Voice 1: process, coming back on the applicant to enter into conversation is interesting because we've

[1:43:27] Voice 1: been reaching out to the tribe for almost four years now with not a lot of success.

[1:43:32] Voice 1: And that's just because of the busyness of everybody's worlds. And there's not been a

[1:43:40] Voice 1: context of our reaching out and coming to visit. And now there is a context. But I just worry,

[1:43:48] Voice 1: I feel there's a worry that our voices are going to get lost in this process and years will go by and we're still going to be here hoping for a partnership that hasn't had enough support from Islands Trust to actually get lift off.

[1:44:11] Voice 6: yeah and so i just want to check in with the staff because i mean it seems

[1:44:16] Voice 6: to me on first flush that if there's questions that our staff can help with that arise

[1:44:24] Voice 6: that they would be available to to help would be supportive when that's appropriate

[1:44:32] Voice 6: um obviously none of us at this table are island stress conservancy but

[1:44:36] Voice 6: uh well lisa

[1:44:38] Voice 9: is but she's maybe she has maybe

[1:44:41] Voice 6: you have an idea i i don't know if you've discussed

[1:44:47] Voice 6: so in

[1:44:48] Voice 7: other

[1:44:54] Voice 6: words i was just trying to say i can't i don't want to speak for what resources or you

[1:45:00] Voice 6: know staff time or help might be available there but i would expect it that there would be some

[1:45:04] Voice 6: from our end of Island's Dresden, if you'd like.

[1:45:07] Voice 4: Just to clarify, so I think Trustee Mayberry is talking about a third party.

[1:45:12] Voice 4: He's talking about like the ITC that we could get through rezoning

[1:45:17] Voice 4: while this plays itself out.

[1:45:19] Voice 4: That's different than the third party involved in discussions

[1:45:22] Voice 4: to help you facilitate these questions being answered.

[1:45:27] Voice 4: My understanding is that the ITC wouldn't be interested in holding lands

[1:45:32] Voice 4: for a short period and then giving them away they're in the business of receiving lands and

[1:45:38] Voice 4: keeping them they might be they might be willing to play that facilitative role but i'm with ken

[1:45:44] Voice 4: and i think it just creates like i think you're better served to uh have the applicants in the

[1:45:51] Voice 4: nation work and uh to be honest ken it has been really challenging to engage your like at the

[1:45:57] Voice 4: staff level to move some of these questions forward both for myself as staff and as the

[1:46:03] Voice 4: applicant I think moving forward we really do need like some coordination to invest some time

[1:46:10] Voice 4: and energy in this with the understanding that there's like a huge net benefit of those lands

[1:46:14] Voice 4: coming back to your nation and that the reality is that they're not crown lands they're not public

[1:46:20] Voice 4: lands that at any time the applicant could go oh we're just exhausted by this we're just not going

[1:46:25] Voice 4: to go there anymore we're going to do something different and then the

[1:46:28] Voice 4: opportunity goes away

[1:46:29] Voice 4: altogether for everyone right so that i'm not like trying to i'm just stressing that i think

[1:46:36] Voice 4: engagement some real engagement is really important at this time to help move some of these

[1:46:43] Voice 4: key questions forward so that the applicant can feel be in a place where they're ready to

[1:46:48] Voice 4: to allow the LTC to take their decisions.

[1:46:55] Voice 6: Ken?

[1:46:56] Voice 6: I just want to let you know about our orange trees.

[1:47:00] Voice 6: The guy that told me about it

[1:47:02] Voice 6: and had to direct him four years ago

[1:47:05] Voice 6: and believe me, he's beat up by them.

[1:47:08] And I want to,

[1:47:09] Voice 6: you know,

[1:47:11] Voice 6: stress that back to the federal year

[1:47:14] Voice 6: where, you know, they started coming out here

[1:47:19] Voice 6: because, you know, we started getting calls

[1:47:22] Voice 6: and concerns about land transfers and things like that in our home territory, our own lands.

[1:47:32] Voice 6: And so I started getting direction to come out here.

[1:47:36] Voice 6: So a lot of times I think, I'm not going to say sacrifice,

[1:47:43] Voice 6: but I take my time to come out here on my own, through my leadership side,

[1:47:51] Voice 6: time in my leadership's eyes to communicate, to connect. And, you know, as we go along,

[1:48:00] Voice 6: I don't know how many times I stress the fact that this is all learning for us in Penelope,

[1:48:07] Voice 6: and it's a learning situation for everybody.

[1:48:13] Voice 3: And I always say it,

[1:48:15] Voice 6: I'm always grateful for

[1:48:17] Voice 6: everyone that shows up that shows we have um everything in the best interest for each other

[1:48:25] Voice 6: and we're you know we're i want to keep the communication going i'm always saying that

[1:48:31] Voice 6: communication relationships neighbor respect you know although i i say it almost pretty much every

[1:48:40] Voice 6: time i come up here even when it's not at the meeting and i'm over here quite a bit on my own

[1:48:46] Voice 6: visiting, harvesting, or whatever, right?

[1:48:49] Voice 6: Or whoever I see, and, you know, we do chat.

[1:48:53] Voice 6: And that's a neighborly thing to do, right?

[1:48:56] Voice 6: I just want to let you know, we're working on building

[1:49:01] Voice 6: that. And I'm

[1:49:05] Voice 6: one of the ones that can help communicate

[1:49:09] Voice 6: and build relationships. So it's 40 years

[1:49:15] Voice 6: years of lack of communication because there's nobody appointed to this kind of work.

[1:49:26] Voice 6: So, on my own, I took it upon myself to be here to work and be a leader.

[1:49:48] Voice 6: you know when we talked about needing to communicate and i think that's one of the

[1:50:02] Voice 6: personal you know the email doesn't go through in a timely fashion you know whatever his text

[1:50:20] Voice 6: Hey, send me an email. How's it going? How's it going? How's it going?

[1:50:24] Voice 6: You know, to have that neighborly relationship.

[1:50:30] Voice 6: I just decided to throw that out there for a place to keep.

[1:50:34] Voice 6: You remember the most.

[1:50:36] Voice 6: I just wanted to share that.

[1:50:39] Voice 6: I think everybody that's been here since I've been here knows what it is.

[1:50:45] Voice 6: You know, we pull up at 5 a.m. there because I'm probably busy.

[1:50:55] Voice 6: We've got things to do.

[1:50:57] Voice 6: I always say I'm never bored.

[1:51:00] I always do.

[1:51:03] But I'm always willing to understand,

[1:51:08] Voice 6: you know, as conversations go on, we all include who we need to.

[1:51:15] Voice 6: I just wanted to share that part just from my point of view.

[1:51:21] Voice 5: I appreciate the key factor of communication and happy to share my cell phone with our cell phones.

[1:51:32] Voice 5: Yeah, I might say that at this point, what I'm feeling is that number one step for us is to get together with children.

[1:51:47] Voice 5: Maybe you need, you seem to be a stable, a stable party in this, as you just expressed.

[1:51:54] Voice 5: Maybe if there was at least one other person from Penelope that we could have kind of an ongoing team to work together.

[1:52:03] Voice 5: And we can work out our, you know, all the things that we need to personally work out

[1:52:10] Voice 5: as two neighbors, right?

[1:52:12] Voice 5: And then next step would be to move, I think we've said this already, but, you know, we

[1:52:18] Voice 5: can reference the LTC whenever necessary, or the questions or whatever, you know, and

[1:52:24] Voice 5: then we can move into, so first step, one-on-one with it, right?

[1:52:29] Voice 5: The second step would be to bring in third party and, you know, I'm thinking about the ITC because of our experience with them and our understanding of their expertise and because our, you know, big part of our question is land use and that's what they're about, right?

[1:52:47] Voice 5: So I think that that's a potentially a good way to go, you know, and then underscoring the time factor, which Ken was referring to, you know, if we can find an amenable way to structure some kind of timing.

[1:53:10] Voice 5: I mean, as we've said, we represent a membership that we need to go back to and say all these

[1:53:21] Voice 5: positive things that were discussed, and that I am quite confident we'll get a good response

[1:53:27] Voice 5: from our membership.

[1:53:29] Voice 5: And there's always going to be that thing about timing because we've been doing this

[1:53:32] Voice 5: for so darn long.

[1:53:34] Voice 5: And so just put that on the table, so to speak, that if we can work out something that

[1:53:41] Voice 5: But I'm hesitant because I know the difficulty and drawbacks of trying to set up, you know,

[1:53:49] Voice 5: we'll meet every two weeks on Thursday afternoon.

[1:53:52] Voice 5: You know, that can be problematic, but then it's problematic if it's open.

[1:53:58] Voice 5: So we'll find some way to deal with scheduling and getting together,

[1:54:05] Voice 5: because I think that's going to be the most productive is face-to-face.

[1:54:14] Voice 6: Okay, and I'm going to bring this table back to our part of the job, because as much as I support that, that's between you guys, for sure.

[1:54:23] Voice 6: And trustees, where are we at? Are we ready to go through some of these recommendations?

[1:54:28] Voice 7: Well, I had a thought. I thought about maybe receiving this staff report as an update.

[1:54:36] Voice 7: Yeah, that's basically it.

[1:54:39] Voice 1: and what

[1:54:40] Voice 7: and what and what this process that we've talked about um forward without any particular

[1:54:45] Voice 7: emotions of stuff i don't know we need to make a recommendation right now we've already established

[1:54:55] Voice 7: yeah

[1:54:56] Voice 6: i know just want to look back to staff and in terms of our process um

[1:55:03] Voice 6: is that is that reasonable is that i don't want to inadvertently put any stumbling blocks

[1:55:11] Voice 6: in terms of you guys talking

[1:55:14] Voice 6: and coming back

[1:55:14] Voice 6: by not taking any action today

[1:55:17] Voice 6: but I mean what you're saying sounds reasonable

[1:55:20] Voice 6: I just want to make sure we're not

[1:55:21] Voice 6: inadvertently

[1:55:23] Voice 6: you know

[1:55:25] Voice 6: creating future difficulties

[1:55:28] Voice 6: so staff perspective on

[1:55:30] Voice 6: just receiving for information today

[1:55:32] Voice 6: is there any drawback that you see

[1:55:34] Voice 6: in particular

[1:55:36] Voice 4: I think those

[1:55:38] Voice 4: recommendations provide some clarity

[1:55:40] Voice 4: for the applicant and the First Nation that would not necessarily be there if you just

[1:55:47] Voice 4: receive it for information.

[1:55:48] Voice 4: I don't think that the recommendations create any work for staff.

[1:55:54] Voice 4: They're really just that you are supportive of this approach.

[1:56:00] Voice 4: I think that's important to confirm this point.

[1:56:04] Voice 4: point but you know ultimately it's your process and you can certainly absolutely but that

[1:56:14] Voice 4: my thought is that it just provides a bit of clarity that those recommendations and some

[1:56:19] Voice 4: some tangible structure for them to go away on this stuff

[1:56:23] Voice 6: yeah we've got that we're on record

[1:56:25] Voice 6: of being supportive of this the second one

[1:56:32] Voice 4: in a sense is on record that that makes it clear that

[1:56:35] Voice 4: the applicant hasn't necessarily agreed yet that you're asking them to consider this approach

[1:56:40] Voice 4: but yeah i mean you wouldn't lose anything by just receiving it for information but i do think

[1:56:51] Voice 4: that you that those recommendations uh do provide a little bit of clarity and direction

[1:57:06] Voice 6: I think it's good to move the recommendations, I think, to give an option to the applicant.

[1:57:16] Voice 6: I want to add a fourth recommendation, though.

[1:57:18] Voice 6: I want to have staff approach the ITC about the role of being the, I don't know quite

[1:57:27] Voice 6: what you call it, but the intermediary between landowner and nations to help this.

[1:57:35] Voice 6: Because I agree with the applicant, there's a tremendous amount of knowledge with the ITC

[1:57:41] Voice 6: that the applicant is going to have to dig up on their own if they don't have access to it.

[1:57:48] Voice 6: So I think there's a benefit there. Whether it works with this application or not,

[1:57:53] Voice 6: I think it's still a good conversation to be having with the ITC.

[1:57:59] Voice 6: I don't think there's any secret amongst a trust council that there's sort of a

[1:58:07] Voice 6: rumbling that the ITC is going to have to consider at some point how the lands that they hold are

[1:58:14] Voice 6: going to be returned to the nations. And so let's just at least have a conversation with ITC and see

[1:58:21] Voice 6: what um what their um sort of willingness is to have a role in these kind of discussions

[1:58:31] sounds absolutely reasonable yeah and

[1:58:34] Voice 6: as i would say there's no harm in requesting

[1:58:40] Voice 6: yeah just for clarity would that be okay with an enable um

[1:58:45] Voice 6: from IPC support or you guys will definitely hear from Chris and Molly that support is requested

[1:58:55] Voice 6: and I was wondering about Penelope. I've been thinking about that. There's a discussion going on and we have been working with the LEN

[1:59:08] Voice 6: for the last little while and they recognize Penelope Tribe's territory and they go for guidance

[1:59:20] Voice 6: us and it may be like them and they'd rather they've been hiring our people to do their

[1:59:28] Voice 6: kinds of work versus anybody else so like again on one voice but like this is what i've seen

[1:59:36] Voice 6: and i think they don't know like um but i've been in good communication

[1:59:57] Voice 6: Yeah, I think the communication has been built.

[2:00:00] Voice 6: a little well versus most of the area going up there. We kind of know each other. Okay, so

[2:00:20] Voice 6: what are we whether it's engaged in this process at this time or not, we know the applicant and

[2:00:26] Voice 6: applicant are going to engage. Yeah. But this, this will certainly be something that we would

[2:00:32] Voice 6: have ready requested, I think. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just it's just, you know, the tool that

[2:00:39] Voice 6: the toolbox and we needed just

[2:00:41] Voice 4: to clarify you're referencing the galliano conservancy which is

[2:00:44] Voice 4: different than the islands trust conservancy i thought we could engage both those groups i guess

[2:00:49] Voice 4: yeah just declare that no he was on the conservancy board yeah yeah you could

[2:00:59] Voice 4: give direction for stuff to be in both those groups

[2:01:03] Voice 4: Sorry,

[2:01:04] Voice 6: I'll go that way.

[2:01:04] Voice 4: Maybe Miguel.

[2:01:06] Voice 5: Wait, wait, wait.

[2:01:10] Voice 5: We want to put in a word about that before you go to the end of that.

[2:01:13] Voice 5: But

[2:01:13] Voice 6: this is actually just something that we're going to do ourselves.

[2:01:17] Voice 6: So if we engage both of them, that's two tools we have in the toolbox.

[2:01:22] Voice 6: If an applicant requests one of those tools, then that would be available to them.

[2:01:29] Voice 6: We're not imposing anything on the applicant.

[2:01:31] Voice 6: We're not imposing anything on the applicant.

[2:01:33] Voice 6: and all we're saying is let's investigate and see if those two tools are very good to us

[2:01:50] Voice 6: so as far as this proposed fourth resolution do you have it ready or are you going to write it

[2:01:58] Voice 6: and then and then um other than that do we need any more discussion before we consider the

[2:02:05] Voice 6: recommended uh resolutions before us here good

[2:02:10] Voice 1: pages here

[2:02:13] Voice 9: but i

[2:02:14] Voice 1: think we're actually

[2:02:15] Voice 1: i don't want to yeah i mean i think we got a good thing happening right now we've got some

[2:02:19] Voice 1: resolution we're

[2:02:20] Voice 7: heading in a good direction um and they don't need to be answered today so yeah

[2:02:26] Voice 7: Yeah, I agree with you.

[2:02:28] Voice 2: Okay, if someone would like to make the first motion.

[2:02:33] Voice 8: I

[2:02:34] Voice 6: move that the Galangal Island Local Trust Committee

[2:02:36] Voice 6: is supportive of an alternative 75% land transfer

[2:02:39] Voice 6: to the Penelakut First Nation instead of the Island Trust.

[2:02:43] Voice 6: Just a second on that, should it be Penelakut Tribe?

[2:02:46] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:02:51] Voice 6: Land transfer to the Penelakut Tribe

[2:02:53] Voice 6: instead of the Island Trust Conservancy

[2:02:55] Voice 6: as part of rezoning application,

[2:02:58] Voice 6: GLRZ2014.

[2:03:00] Voice 6: Doctrine.

[2:03:02] Voice 6: Moved.

[2:03:06] Voice 6: Seconded.

[2:03:06] Voice 1: All right.

[2:03:07] Voice 1: I don't want to be too descriptive here.

[2:03:11] Voice 7: But I will second this.

[2:03:14] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:03:14] Voice 6: And then discussion.

[2:03:18] Voice 1: My hesitation is that,

[2:03:20] Voice 1: you know what,

[2:03:22] Voice 1: we're just saying that we're supportive.

[2:03:25] Voice 1: I'm saying this is what's happening.

[2:03:27] Voice 1: Okay. That's not what's happening.

[2:03:31] Voice 1: Yeah, I won't say anything.

[2:03:35] Voice 6: Anything for me, Trustee Mayer?

[2:03:36] Voice 6: No, I'm good.

[2:03:37] Voice 6: All right, then. I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[2:03:41] Voice 6: I have that motion. Curious.

[2:03:46] Voice 6: Second recommendation.

[2:03:48] Voice 6: I move that the Gallant Island Local Trust

[2:03:53] Voice 6: request that the Crystal Mountain Society

[2:03:56] Voice 6: consider an alternative 75% land transfer

[2:03:59] Voice 6: to the Manila tribe instead of the Island Trust Conservancy

[2:04:02] Voice 6: as part of rezoning applications, we all want to see 201 or not.

[2:04:07] Voice 6: Lynn, do I have a seconder?

[2:04:10] Voice 6: If I don't think I will, I mean, further discussion.

[2:04:13] Voice 1: Yeah, this one I'm having a hard time with a bit because

[2:04:22] Voice 6: Let's say consider.

[2:04:23] Voice 1: Right?

[2:04:25] Voice 1: Let's say consider.

[2:04:26] Voice 1: We're not writing anything down here.

[2:04:28] Voice 7: You know what?

[2:04:29] Voice 7: It needs to be open to this process.

[2:04:31] Voice 7: I think you have a good process happening here.

[2:04:36] Voice 7: Okay, so if it says consider, it's considering.

[2:04:39] Voice 7: So, yeah,

[2:04:42] Voice 6: we'll just add that. I think it's clear that at least from the membership that we've been talking to that they are considering so like we're asking to do anything that they're not open to in terms of consideration so anything further on the motion.

[2:04:58] Voice 6: Okay, I'll call the question all those in favor.

[2:05:00] Voice 6: And that carries as well.

[2:05:03] Voice 6: and then finally i moved that the galleon local trust committee requests that the applicant

[2:05:08] Voice 6: engage directly with penelope tribes to determine feasibility of a 75 land transfer of crystal

[2:05:15] Voice 6: mountain society lands to the penelope tribe as part of resigning application jlrz2014.1

[2:05:24] Voice 1: second

[2:05:25] Voice 6: by trustee gabriel discussion no okay all in favor that carries and then the third one i'm

[2:05:36] Voice 6: going to kind of lean on kim a little bit okay or do you want well

[2:05:40] Voice 1: i i do have something else

[2:05:42] Voice 1: i thought that would be okay

[2:05:44] Voice 6: um

[2:05:44] Voice 1: that i thought i could consider here that may maybe

[2:05:48] Voice 7: tie into that

[2:05:48] Voice 7: that there too. The discussion of, sorry, bear with me for three

[2:05:54] Voice 1: minutes. I've been doing a lot

[2:05:58] Voice 1: of research on land food, what that means. And I've been reading over land food. And

[2:06:06] Voice 1: this is online material from the internet. And to better support the land management,

[2:06:20] Voice 1: goals for now and in the future and considering that we have um two other resulting applications

[2:06:27] Voice 1: involving penelope i think it would be worthy good work for our committee to explore the

[2:06:34] Voice 1: possibilities of transferring land into penelope land code i mean i know at first blush it does

[2:06:40] Voice 1: seem like it's we don't have the provincial statutory authority to do that but i do think

[2:06:46] Voice 1: we do have the length legal framework to um move that board and that would be to the creation of a

[2:06:53] Voice 1: site-specific uh zoning or with a collaborative planning with maybe a third party like the itc

[2:07:01] Voice 1: model that we were mentioning earlier there are options but i think that would be important for

[2:07:06] Voice 1: this committee while this beautiful work is happening is something that we should maybe

[2:07:11] Voice 1: do um things planning are looking looking at because i'm sure this is going to come up in

[2:07:16] Voice 1: the future we should put in the work now to understand understand what it is so i had a

[2:07:23] Voice 1: motion around that please

[2:07:25] Voice 9: all

[2:07:27] Voice 1: right last night so i hope it's all right i move that the galleon

[2:07:34] Voice 1: local trust committee direct staff to investigate report back on the process feasibility and

[2:07:42] Voice 1: and implications of transferring lands

[2:07:45] Voice 1: associated with the rezoning applications

[2:07:47] Voice 1: to be governed under Penelope Kipp Drug's land code.

[2:07:54] Voice 3: I move that the

[2:07:57] Voice 1: Galliano Local Trust Committee,

[2:08:00] Voice 1: direct staff, to investigate, report back on the process,

[2:08:07] Voice 1: feasibility and implications of transferring lands

[2:08:10] Voice 1: associated with rezoning applications

[2:08:12] Voice 1: to be governed under the .

[2:08:19] Voice 6: I

[2:08:20] Voice 1: think we should know what the answer is to that.

[2:08:24] Voice 6: That would be a great piece of work to do with Connecticut.

[2:08:27] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:08:28] Voice 1: absolutely. At least we

[2:08:29] Voice 1: need to understand it. We have our rules. We need to look into the future.

[2:08:36] Voice 1: And Fran thought he was

[2:08:38] Voice 6: finished with us.

[2:08:43] Voice 6: Okay, so I'll take that as a move, and did you want to say anything else, Ashley, maybe?

[2:08:49] Voice 6: Discussion?

[2:08:51] Voice 6: I think it speaks for itself.

[2:08:53] Voice 6: Yeah, it seems to me that that's, I was going to say, I think that's a good approach to getting information for us, the local trust committee,

[2:09:07] Voice 6: um on ways how we might approach this that um instead of reinventing the wheel potential

[2:09:14] Voice 6: potentially instead of reinventing the wheel that we're leaning on an eloquent process

[2:09:22] Voice 6: established process and and if we can find out how we integrate that with our process

[2:09:28] Voice 6: that might make all of this work more straightforward simpler

[2:09:33] Voice 7: easier to get to this

[2:09:35] Voice 7: on the point

[2:09:35] Voice 6: of resolution so i i support the resolution excellent

[2:09:38] Voice 7: it's called reconciliation

[2:09:42] Voice 6: um any further discussion i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:09:47] Voice 6: in that case

[2:10:01] Voice 6: consider the role of facilitator and land transfer application

[2:10:06] Voice 1: i'll second that all

[2:10:09] Voice 6: right moved and seconded any further discussion

[2:10:13] Voice 1: i'd say that this is uh this is a great idea and non-trust conservancy is celebrating its

[2:10:19] Voice 1: 30th year its 30th anniversary this year it does have extensive um technical knowledge

[2:10:26] Voice 1: and to leverage that with traditional ecological knowledge is a personal dream of mine i would

[2:10:34] Voice 1: love this but i think

[2:10:36] Voice 1: um yeah this would be something that's uh very timely for the island's

[2:10:39] Voice 1: trust conservancy as well yeah i look forward to getting that comment right

[2:10:45] Voice 6: uh anything further

[2:10:48] Voice 6: on this motion all right let's go sorry

[2:10:50] Voice 1: trustee maberly could you please reread that motion for

[2:10:53] Voice 1: the minutes please i

[2:10:54] Voice 6: move that staff engage with the island's trust conservancy and the galley

[2:11:01] Voice 6: islands trust conservancy to consider the role of facilitator in land transfer applications

[2:11:09] Voice 8: thank you okay

[2:11:14] Voice 6: did i call the question i did

[2:11:17] Voice 6: okay i just want

[2:11:20] Voice 6: to make sure starting to get to that part of the day um okay so anything further

[2:11:32] Voice 1: Thank

[2:11:33] Voice 6: you. All those in favour? Okay, that carries then. We'll make sure we didn't end up dangling. Anything further on this today? Trustee Gavreau?

[2:11:45] Voice 6: up i'm

[2:11:46] Voice 1: sorry i'm looking for my notes here make sure while everyone's here it's this is a very um

[2:11:53] Voice 1: multi-faceted application it just seems there's so many people involved in it and so many pros

[2:11:58] Voice 1: and cons to kind of run through but i just really appreciate the the work that we i think we're

[2:12:04] Voice 1: able to do today i'm very proud of the work we did today anything

[2:12:09] Voice 6: from you uh no i just think

[2:12:11] Voice 6: um we're in a better place than we were when we started the meeting and uh i just want to thank

[2:12:17] Voice 6: joe and ken and brad for you know the words today and i think um yeah i can definitely see a path

[2:12:24] Voice 6: anybody else kim

[2:12:27] Voice 1: i think um you've kind of naturally had this discussion between the

[2:12:31] Voice 1: applicant potential future uh land uh receiver the ltc staff

[2:12:37] Voice 6: and i think naturally we know that

[2:12:40] Voice 6: there's going to be a second public hearing so so the ltc doesn't have to put anything

[2:12:44] Voice 6: in a formal resolution but i think at this point um it's now open for public comments and so forth

[2:12:54] Voice 6: yeah okay fair thank you for that and did this yeah i

[2:12:59] Voice 5: just uh my hearing problem right um i know

[2:13:02] Voice 5: Now, you just did this, but then I don't know if it was,

[2:13:07] Voice 5: was that actually a motion, the facilitation?

[2:13:10] Voice 5: So it wasn't clear to me whether you were talking

[2:13:16] Voice 5: about facilitation in the Malacate

[2:13:18] Voice 5: and Crystal Mountain discussion

[2:13:21] Voice 5: by the Islands Trust Conservancy and the Galliano?

[2:13:25] Voice 6: No, so my motion is strictly for us to investigate

[2:13:28] Voice 6: whether the ITC and the Galliano Islands Trust Conservancy

[2:13:31] Voice 6: would consider that role, right?

[2:13:35] Voice 6: And not

[2:13:36] Voice 9: specific

[2:13:37] Voice 6: to this application.

[2:13:39] Voice 9: So if the applicant came back to us and said we need something, then

[2:13:42] Voice 6: we would have that tool available.

[2:13:43] Voice 6: Good. Okay. Thank you.

[2:13:45] Voice 6: The motion doesn't. It's a broader.

[2:13:49] Voice 6: It's not directed to the application.

[2:13:52] Voice 6: Okay. Thank you.

[2:13:53] Voice 6: I

[2:13:54] Voice 3: just want to clarify the banning of the

[2:14:03] Voice 3: oh

[2:14:03] Voice 6: sorry yeah so we need to correct that in motion right thank

[2:14:07] Voice 6: you very much for that okay and and

[2:14:12] Voice 6: just while we're in the midst of it i'll just check in um with our recorder online and i got

[2:14:18] Voice 6: it thank you sir okay great i appreciate that thank you okay so we're ready to move on to the

[2:14:25] Voice 6: the next item in the agenda. Okay.

[2:14:33] Voice 7: Yes. We can

[2:14:37] Voice 6: totally take a

[2:14:38] Voice 6: break. And I never approve five minute breaks because they

[2:14:41] Voice 6: never are. So it's almost 332. We come back at 340. Thank

[2:14:48] Voice 6: you.

[2:14:57] Voice 8: um report

[2:15:00] Voice 6: section local trust committee projects um and the work program reports

[2:15:08] Voice 6: alternate staff first thank you chair so um the current project has mentioned the two bylaws were

[2:15:19] Voice 6: recently approved by ec and the ocp and ending bylaw will be sent to the minister for review

[2:15:25] Voice 6: you in approval so the ltc may want to consider the future projects report that's attached to

[2:15:34] Voice 6: the agenda

[2:15:35] Voice 1: it's on page 36 and 37 um i thought that we could just quickly go through each one

[2:15:41] Voice 1: to see if

[2:15:42] Voice 6: there are some that you'd like to remove from the list or add to the list the hope

[2:15:49] Voice 6: hope is that early in the new year, either February, potentially March, LTC meeting,

[2:15:56] Voice 6: I'll put together a staff report just flushing out some of these potential future project

[2:16:03] Voice 6: topics. So

[2:16:05] Voice 6: if the LTC is willing, I thought that we could just go through on page, start

[2:16:09] Voice 6: on page 36. And these are not numbered in any type of, the only reason why it's numbered

[2:16:17] Voice 6: the way it is is the date it was placed onto the approach future purchase list so number one doesn't

[2:16:23] Voice 6: mean it's the number one importance but just when it was placed on the list in 2012. so is that okay

[2:16:29] Voice 6: chair if we continue on go through the list

[2:16:32] Voice 1: one by one take

[2:16:33] Voice 6: any objections so let's go so the first

[2:16:36] Voice 1: one is parking issues and it states um

[2:16:39] Voice 6: the issue for discussion with moti and

[2:16:42] Voice 6: parking issues

[2:16:44] Voice 6: issues generated from associated islands.

[2:16:46] Voice 6: I'm assuming this is Montague.

[2:16:48] Voice 6: Yeah, this is Montague, we've received funding

[2:16:50] Voice 6: to solve some of the parking issues,

[2:16:53] Voice 6: so I don't really see why we wouldn't have this

[2:16:55] Voice 6: on the list anymore, right?

[2:16:59] Voice 6: Well,

[2:17:00] Voice 1: I don't know, I think-

[2:17:01] Voice 6: You wanna wait till it's done?

[2:17:02] Voice 1: Yeah, I think that'd be practical,

[2:17:05] Voice 1: but for 2012, and it doesn't say Montague in it.

[2:17:09] Voice 1: No, this is everywhere.

[2:17:11] Voice 1: It is definitely something that's been on the list

[2:17:12] Voice 1: as long as i've been coming to these meetings um they will probably be on the list again in

[2:17:19] Voice 1: the future

[2:17:19] Voice 6: so

[2:17:20] Voice 1: i'm not sure maybe we can just park it here for now sure

[2:17:26] Voice 6: not at

[2:17:27] Voice 1: this point but i think it might come into play if say we were to be doing um

[2:17:33] Voice 1: one of the other future projects i

[2:17:35] Voice 7: think like the um road network plan

[2:17:37] Voice 7: innovation i believe that's on there yeah that might come into play so they might this next one

[2:17:49] Voice 6: is the late industrial zoning this is a review and inventory of existing and potential light

[2:17:56] Voice 6: industrial zones

[2:17:57] Voice 1: that's something the ltc would like to keep on the potential future bridges

[2:18:02] Voice 1: yeah not for this maybe for our term but i think in the future terms they're going to need to

[2:18:07] Voice 1: deal a lot with that. We're in QP right now for gravel extraction and the future LCC may need to work with other events.

[2:18:20] Voice 6: Yeah, I don't have a problem with keeping it on. I mean, I think all of this stuff is application based.

[2:18:26] Voice 6: So unless we're doing an OCP review, that's where that really comes.

[2:18:30] Voice 6: You know, we've been talking about that, but that hasn't helped. We haven't got approval for that yet.

[2:18:36] Voice 1: keep it on for the time being next one is the coastal

[2:18:39] Voice 6: douglas for protection

[2:18:42] Voice 6: there was a model bylaw and i believe a model development for an area if i'm not mistaken

[2:18:49] Voice 6: that was drafted back in 2022 jails we see as interest is still keeping that on a list as

[2:18:56] Voice 6: a future project

[2:18:57] Voice 1: absolutely yeah i wish we could talk more about the uh coastal douglas for

[2:19:06] Voice 1: the next is cannabis retail and production consider there would be a policy some regulations

[2:19:11] Voice 1: to address cannabis retail sales

[2:19:14] Voice 6: and production no clue why this is all of this i

[2:19:17] Voice 1: think if you

[2:19:18] Voice 1: say i've had committee members come reach out to me about the inquiry about it i would not

[2:19:22] Voice 1: be surprised that before the end of our term we saw some applications sure

[2:19:29] Voice 6: bring an application

[2:19:30] Voice 6: but why does it need to be on the list?

[2:19:32] Voice 6: The project list.

[2:19:33] Voice 6: Projects list.

[2:19:34] Voice 4: There's a future project.

[2:19:35] Voice 4: Let's

[2:19:35] Voice 6: let the application come to us.

[2:19:37] Voice 6: And then if we see something there

[2:19:39] Voice 6: that we need to work on, then let's work on it.

[2:19:40] Voice 6: But I don't think it needs to be on the project list.

[2:19:43] Voice 1: As it comes in as an application?

[2:19:45] Voice 1: Yeah.

[2:19:45] Voice 1: Right.

[2:19:46] Voice 6: I mean, give me one.

[2:19:47] Voice 1: Right?

[2:19:48] Voice 1: I know that's what I was thinking.

[2:19:50] Voice 6: I don't think it was thinking.

[2:19:52] Voice 6: Well,

[2:19:52] Voice 1: show us how we're thinking about it.

[2:19:53] Voice 1: It's like the most modern thing right now on this list.

[2:19:57] Voice 1: Believe

[2:19:58] Voice 6: it or not, it's the staff

[2:20:00] Voice 6: stats are out as soon as they leave like canada's years it went down you spent down

[2:20:07] Voice 6: that didn't make any sense

[2:20:08] Voice 6: yeah

[2:20:09] Voice 1: my way

[2:20:12] Voice 1: of an application coming to us there is actually

[2:20:15] Voice 1: a policy of regulations around now already in our ocp about public

[2:20:32] Voice 1: Yeah, so number five

[2:20:36] Voice 6: is emergency access planning. Yes. Six is review of the road network plan.

[2:20:44] Voice 6: Yeah, let's keep that on. Review number seven review of land use bylaw tiny home trailer

[2:20:50] Voice 6: regulations, maximum house sizes, and lot coverage.

[2:20:53] Voice 6: I'm going to think at some point this is going to happen.

[2:20:56] Voice 6: We'll discuss it when we're coming home.

[2:20:59] Voice 6: From staff's point of view. For me, I would be going

[2:21:09] Voice 6: Oh, absolutely. Yep. Yeah, we know regional planning

[2:21:14] Voice 6: committees do a lot of work on this

[2:21:17] Voice 7: topic.

[2:21:18] Voice 7: And that's, yeah, something called Violence Economic Resource

[2:21:22] Voice 7: center is about to release a report yeah on

[2:21:26] Voice 7: uh examining bylaws from the trust area

[2:21:29] Voice 7: around rdc planning so

[2:21:31] Voice 1: we get information yeah

[2:21:35] Voice 6: i believe rdc was talking i believe that the

[2:21:37] Voice 6: trust council we uh trust council endorsed this strike another working group which can involve

[2:21:44] Voice 6: uh planning men uh committee members and i think that there was three regional directors that

[2:21:51] Voice 6: that indicated they were going to be part of that so that's that's ongoing work there

[2:21:57] Voice 6: yes good to know somebody's that's great somebody's at that at steering that boat at this

[2:22:02] Voice 6: moment number

[2:22:05] Voice 1: eight wise island bylaw review that definitely yeah i

[2:22:10] Voice 6: mean i will make eight

[2:22:12] Voice 6: and nine the same thing right they

[2:22:18] Voice 1: could potentially be focusing on different yeah

[2:22:23] Voice 1: Yeah, we

[2:22:24] Voice 6: really haven't had any in regards to the island. It's all over the islands where we're getting all of it.

[2:22:32] Voice 6: But if you want to keep them separate, they both need to be on here because, you know, if we keep the Y's on the island, we're doing a shoreline protection.

[2:22:41] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:22:41] Voice 7: we'll form each other.

[2:22:42] Voice 6: I just like to see shorter lists and long rampant lists.

[2:22:48] Voice 6: has been everything it's lost well then

[2:22:50] Voice 1: you'll like my second question is there anything else

[2:22:52] Voice 1: you'd like to add to the list so many things but i think i can wait till march when we get a report

[2:22:59] Voice 1: can you um ballpark an idea when we could potentially pick up a new project

[2:23:10] Voice 1: do we have to wait together generally yes i think it's

[2:23:14] Voice 6: good to i mean we could potentially

[2:23:15] Voice 6: actually start something in spring I'd imagine yeah because I think it's going to take time the

[2:23:20] Voice 6: LTC may want to take time maybe perhaps schedule a community information meeting to gather comments

[2:23:25] Voice 6: from the community on what project that maybe is interested in so

[2:23:29] Voice 1: that will take time yeah

[2:23:34] Voice 6: we've almost committed to Wise Island that we're going to do something right we're looking at

[2:23:39] Voice 6: something there for them and there's been a lot of work done on other items so I'm not sure it's

[2:23:44] Voice 6: huge project yeah

[2:23:46] Voice 1: strategic thinking yeah

[2:23:49] Voice 6: we put all the information together but we need an adc

[2:23:53] Voice 6: yeah i know there was a report created by robert i think i brought that up about the

[2:24:00] Voice 1: first term maybe our second meeting

[2:24:01] Voice 7: and it was an analysis of potential projects

[2:24:05] Voice 7: it's a really great report

[2:24:08] Voice 7: you

[2:24:09] Voice 1: may see parts of that coming back

[2:24:16] Voice 7: so

[2:24:17] Voice 1: just for formality um emotion that would be wonderful to remove number four

[2:24:22] Voice 1: cannabis retail production from the future projects report just so it's recorded fantastic

[2:24:30] I know

[2:24:32] Voice 1: that the trust committee removes item number four item number four from the future

[2:24:42] Voice 1: projects list second

[2:24:43] Voice 6: any discussion I'll call the question all those in favor and that motion

[2:24:50] Voice 6: carries applications report verbal update oh sorry yeah

[2:25:01] Voice 6: just on the

[2:25:03] Voice 6: um active project report number one so that's with the minister now right that will be sent

[2:25:09] Voice 6: to the minister yes it will be sent within the next week okay the ec meeting was yesterday so

[2:25:16] Voice 6: yeah

[2:25:16] Voice 1: and then it might try to take a while it

[2:25:20] Voice 6: could take some time so we know we have a good

[2:25:23] Voice 6: working relationship with ministry staff so i

[2:25:26] Voice 3: plan to give them a phone call on thursday to

[2:25:28] Voice 3: give them the heads up that it's coming and kind of try to answer any questions the ministry staff

[2:25:34] Voice 3: may have yeah

[2:25:35] Voice 1: sort of what

[2:25:37] Voice 1: ministry it was because there's been a ministry of housing and municipal

[2:25:42] Voice 1: okay on

[2:25:54] Voice 6: to the verbal update on applications report uh verbal update so the intention is for

[2:26:03] Voice 6: three rezoning applications to be brought forward to the february agenda that's just about 85 86

[2:26:10] Voice 6: um and the palmberg rezoning um the tahira resort to here so the rockefeller rezoning

[2:26:18] Voice 6: um the applicant has been working hard on providing all the necessary documents and

[2:26:23] Voice 6: the ltc will be seeing that very soon as well and i believe that's all the updates i have

[2:26:30] Voice 6: right now, and I'm happy if you have any specific questions or want further information, you can always give me a call.

[2:26:37] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:26:40] Voice 6: Next, we have the Trustee and Local Expense Report from October.

[2:26:44] Voice 6: Any questions on that?

[2:26:46] Voice 6: No questions.

[2:26:48] Voice 6: Adopted policies and standing resolutions?

[2:26:52] Voice 7: Nothing.

[2:26:55] Voice 6: Anything on the Local Trust Committee webpage?

[2:26:57] Voice 6: page no

[2:26:59] Voice 1: but i did want to bring up or ask if there was any update on the mapping section

[2:27:04] Voice 1: i think the software is no longer available it was retired in october

[2:27:08] Voice 1: but there's a new mapping

[2:27:10] Voice 1: tool scheduled to be released later this month i didn't realize i was

[2:27:13] Voice 1: getting the update yes same

[2:27:15] Voice 1: name and it'll provide similar functions is there anything else there

[2:27:24] Voice 6: i don't have any further information except for i know that it's in the works it's in the works

[2:27:28] Voice 6: great thank you okay um i was trust conservancy report uh did in november um

[2:27:40] Voice 6: would

[2:27:40] Voice 1: you like to take

[2:27:42] Voice 6: it this way right

[2:27:43] Voice 1: um i did want to reiterate i think i mentioned it

[2:27:47] Voice 1: early that this marks the 30th year anniversary for the alice trust

[2:27:51] Voice 7: conservancy so very good

[2:27:55] Voice 7: a bunch of people to reflect great

[2:27:59] Voice 6: um all right so we didn't add any new business to our business

[2:28:04] Voice 6: today so our next meeting is scheduled for february 11th 2025 right here at the south hall

[2:28:15] Voice 6: and pardon me that brings us to our um our last town hall section so i would love to see if

[2:28:24] Voice 6: if there's anyone in the room that wants to address the local trustee.

[2:28:29] Voice 6: What an invitation.

[2:28:34] Voice 3: Not

[2:28:34] Voice 8: seeing any hands.

[2:28:36] Voice 8: I will.

[2:28:40] Voice 8: You will? Okay.

[2:28:42] Voice 8: A

[2:28:44] Voice 3: lot of gratitude to all of you who

[2:28:48] Voice 1: slogged through this material.

[2:28:53] Voice 1: It's thick and multilayered and nuanced and that's all.

[2:29:00] Voice 1: All of you. Thank you.

[2:29:03] Voice 6: Thank you for that.

[2:29:04] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:29:08] Voice 6: We have no closed meeting.

[2:29:10] Voice 6: So I will call for adjournment.

[2:29:13] Voice 6: All right. Thank you, everyone. Thank you.

[2:29:18] Voice 8: Sorry to our administrators online there.