North Pender Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 4, 2025

[0:00:00] And we are streaming. Excellent. All right. Thank you, everybody. Good morning.

[0:00:05] Voice 14: Thank you for joining us today on this regular meeting of the North Tender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:10] Voice 14: I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging the unfortunate to be able to gather today in locations across the territory of Coast Salish people.

[0:00:17] Voice 14: I'm David Mott, elected on the main island, chair of the North Tender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:22] Voice 14: We're joined today by your trustee, Erin Campbell.

[0:00:26] Voice 14: Deb Morrison is coming in by Zoom. She has yet to arrive, but she will be joining us

[0:00:31] Voice 14: hopefully shortly. Together we make up the North Pender Local Island Trust Committee.

[0:00:37] Voice 14: This meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person

[0:00:40] Voice 14: today. The recording will be posted to the Island Trust website for future viewing. We

[0:00:45] Voice 14: have some staff members joining us today. We have Brad Smith, your Island Planner. I

[0:00:49] Voice 14: see Warren Dingman, our File Enforcement Manager, has joined us online. We have Lisa Millard,

[0:00:55] Voice 14: who is our Zoom master and recording secretary, working from afar and doing magical stuff for us.

[0:01:03] Voice 14: I think that's it for staff today. Just wanted to show this meeting is an official forum for your

[0:01:08] Voice 14: local trust to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:12] Voice 14: I want to add this is a place of employment. Our staff has a right to a safe and respectable

[0:01:17] Voice 14: that in the workplace. So, of course, we have an agenda. We had one additional piece of

[0:01:24] Voice 14: new business potentially. That's for DP for Shirley Restoration on 37-149 Schooner Way,

[0:01:32] Voice 14: so okay to pop that in under new business. Okay, so let me make a note of that. Oh, and

[0:01:49] Voice 14: we also i just noticed that uh planner bruce belcher is uh our planning

[0:01:55] Voice 14: also the planner it would be presenting 14.2 so excellent welcome bruce

[0:02:02] Voice 14: all right um so to start off we have trustee reports so i'll turn it over to you um

[0:02:10] Voice 14: Um,

[0:02:11] Voice 15: lots of people know I was away for the winter, um, in Baja, um, doing some work down

[0:02:21] Voice 15: there and, uh, was able to zoom, uh, Starlink is a wonderful thing.

[0:02:27] Voice 15: Even if you, uh, if you aren't an Elon Musk fan, uh, technology is helpful.

[0:02:35] Voice 15: helpful. I was able to zoom into one of our local trust meetings and then the trust council.

[0:02:46] Voice 15: It's interesting to hear the challenges that are going on in other islands and to talk

[0:02:54] Voice 15: to other trustees, but then also see in other communities outside of our islands what people

[0:03:02] Voice 15: are going through and the challenges are very similar in a lot of cases where

[0:03:08] Voice 15: where I was was was living is desert and there's a by Edward Abbey that says

[0:03:19] Voice 15: there's exactly enough water in the desert for a desert and it applies also

[0:03:24] Voice 15: to our Gulf Islands as well there's exactly enough water to the Gulf Islands

[0:03:30] Voice 15: and building a city on any one of our islands is sort of an ill advised idea and so as you see

[0:03:38] Voice 15: different development ideas come forward and we've been doing a housing project to try to

[0:03:46] Voice 15: figure out how we increase the possibly the density of what Pender Island is as far as people

[0:03:54] Voice 15: are concerned it's something that has been coming up over and over again to to kind of keep in the

[0:04:00] Voice 15: the forefront is what are we going to do cold water what are we going to do power and so it's

[0:04:05] Voice 15: it was was kind of an interesting couple of months being down there yeah that's that's kind of there

[0:04:16] Voice 15: didn't seem to be a ton of communication going on it's one of the slower times on the island

[0:04:23] Voice 15: it seems for people giving feedback and telling you how they felt about what was going on or

[0:04:30] Voice 15: what's what's been happening and maybe that's just a case of it having been winter and things

[0:04:35] Voice 15: are a little bit quieter on the island but uh it was it's kind of nice to see not too many people

[0:04:43] Voice 15: were very upset about anything at all excellent

[0:04:48] Voice 14: all right and i see trustee morrison has joined

[0:04:50] Voice 14: us um we're just doing trustee reports so turn it over to you trustee morris hey

[0:04:56] Trustee Morrison: sorry i couldn't

[0:04:57] Trustee Morrison: be there today it's been a weird week of things in my life and i just need to be still um in space

[0:05:03] Trustee Morrison: today um sorry about the communication issue too self-service in the gulf islands is a challenge

[0:05:10] Trustee Morrison: um all right so in terms of trustee reports um sorry i missed the beginning of trustee campbell

[0:05:18] Trustee Morrison: so i'm not sure if he talked at all about trust council but trust council happened

[0:05:23] Trustee Morrison: since the last time we had a meeting and yeah it's just it's an interesting council you know

[0:05:31] Trustee Morrison: there's an ongoing work on governance there's a new chair for trust council Laura Patrick who was

[0:05:37] Trustee Morrison: the chair of the LTC last on North Pender last term is now the chair of the trust council one

[0:05:45] Trustee Morrison: one of the trustees from Salt Spring. So I think, I think there will potentially be some

[0:05:54] Trustee Morrison: advancement on some of the things that I think both Aaron and I have been supporting around

[0:06:00] Trustee Morrison: governance issues around fiscal sort of transparency. And some of those issues,

[0:06:08] Trustee Morrison: I feel like may move a little bit more. We'll see. We'll see how that goes.

[0:06:12] Trustee Morrison: um we have a year and a half or so on some of those larger trust level issues which do

[0:06:17] Trustee Morrison: influence us on pender and so it would be nice to get a grip on them um yeah in the housing project

[0:06:25] Trustee Morrison: i feel like there's a lot going on in the world around that with short-term vacation rental

[0:06:31] Trustee Morrison: conversations happening in different places across the province i i've been involved with the

[0:06:36] Trustee Morrison: uh avic which is the association of vancouver island coastal and coastal communities

[0:06:42] Trustee Morrison: group particularly around the climate component of their work um and we'll be co-presenting with

[0:06:49] Trustee Morrison: head of that effort at the upcoming avic meeting um next week i think it is um so just keeping in

[0:06:59] Trustee Morrison: those conversations with other coastal communities about what they're doing what they're trying how

[0:07:03] Trustee Morrison: how we're understanding housing and and sustainability environmental production in

[0:07:07] Trustee Morrison: those spaces um so lots going on um not sure that there's any like definitive answers to any of

[0:07:15] Trustee Morrison: those pieces at the moment but um did bring up the helicopters again for those folks that care

[0:07:20] Trustee Morrison: about the helicopters um that was at the southern gulf island forum meeting that i attended a couple

[0:07:27] Trustee Morrison: of weeks ago um and i'm putting a letter forward with the text that we had originally thought about

[0:07:34] Trustee Morrison: just to um let elizabeth may know i we have to wait now because of the election there's a little

[0:07:41] Trustee Morrison: bit of a bubble that we have to kind of can't communicate directly on things we need so as we

[0:07:46] Trustee Morrison: pass the federal election hopefully we can get a bit more teeth in that one so yeah um and the

[0:07:53] Trustee Morrison: question really there was just about like can we get some conversation please with the department

[0:07:57] Trustee Morrison: of transportation on what constitutes aerodromes land use like like just get a little clarity in

[0:08:03] Trustee Morrison: that space would be nice so and i think that's it for now thank

[0:08:08] Voice 14: you trustee morris um yeah from

[0:08:10] Voice 14: my end uh certainly trust council was a busy one uh we adopted a budget with a slight increase

[0:08:20] Voice 14: in context to what other local governments are doing.

[0:08:24] Voice 14: Everything's more expensive, it becomes more challenging,

[0:08:27] Voice 14: and of course we have more demands on our services.

[0:08:29] Voice 14: So I don't want to say it is what it is, but it is what it is.

[0:08:33] Voice 14: And I can assure you the trustees spend a lot of time and a lot of stress,

[0:08:41] Voice 14: which makes a lot of time and a lot of stress for staff

[0:08:44] Voice 14: to make these budgets come together and properly reflect the interests of the islands.

[0:08:49] Voice 14: We got it done, which was pleasing.

[0:08:52] Voice 14: We also got the strategic plan put to bed, which is a couple of years overdue, but we

[0:08:59] Voice 14: got it done.

[0:09:01] Voice 14: Trust Policy Statement is hopefully on its way to first reading in June.

[0:09:07] Voice 14: That's the stated intent.

[0:09:11] Voice 14: The important thing with the Trust Policy Statement is first reading is not the last

[0:09:16] Voice 14: step.

[0:09:17] Voice 14: that's sort of a midpoint step. If it gets first reading in June, it will then be going out to the

[0:09:24] public and

[0:09:26] Voice 14: other referral agencies for more comments and more adjustments.

[0:09:32] Voice 14: When those come through, then we get to the final second and third and final adoption of

[0:09:39] Voice 14: the policy statement. So it's not over until it's over.

[0:09:42] Voice 14: work. Personally, I'm recently comfortable with the document as it sits. There's been a lot of

[0:09:49] Voice 14: input considered. The difference between the last draft of a couple of years ago and this draft

[0:09:56] Voice 14: is immense. There was so much input from the public. A lot of that was focused on

[0:10:03] those comments were heard, the adjustments were made, and I'm hoping that the general public

[0:10:11] We'll see those changes and be endorsing that policy statement because we do need to get it done.

[0:10:20] It's long overdue.

[0:10:22] Voice 14: And the other stated intent and trust policy statement, the current trust policy statement is 20-odd years old.

[0:10:28] Voice 14: If the intent is going forward, it will be a constantly fluid document.

[0:10:33] Voice 14: So as times change and concerns change, that policy statement will be constantly updated.

[0:10:40] Voice 14: It won't be sitting on a shelf for 20 years, I feel.

[0:10:43] Voice 14: So it will be a lot more dynamic of a process.

[0:10:48] Voice 14: Other than that, you know, we're into spring, it's a beautiful day.

[0:10:52] Voice 14: We survived winter, hopefully we survived what's going on down south, but we just keep

[0:10:59] Voice 14: doing the best we can and hopefully put some smiles on people's faces, so thank you very

[0:11:03] Voice 14: much.

[0:11:03] Voice 14: All right, so our Electoral Director Paul Gregg senses regrets. He has two very important meetings today with the Ministry of Health and BC Ferries, so we've had explicitly invited him to attend today, but unfortunately, bureaucratic scheduling prevented him from attending.

[0:11:26] Voice 14: He senses regrets, and hopefully, and I believe I got the inference, he promises to be here next time, so we'll see what we can do about that.

[0:11:35] Voice 14: So going forward, we have Town Hall. So if anybody has any questions, comments, or concerns, we try and keep it down to two or three minutes, but we're not rigid on that.

[0:11:43] Voice 14: So if anybody has anything, I want to raise your hand and just perhaps give your name, and away we go. Go ahead.

[0:11:49] Voice 5: Joyce Fair, I have two questions.

[0:11:52] Voice 5: One is, when we talked previously about the policy statement, there was an intention to do a mail-out to the community.

[0:12:00] Voice 5: Is that still in place? That's my first question. And the second question is, I wondered if

[0:12:08] Voice 5: we could get some update on the Dark Sky Initiative as it went before the Trust Council and where

[0:12:16] Voice 5: it stands right now.

[0:12:17] Well, I'll just ask, Patrick Smith, could we land on something for the mail-up for North

[0:12:22] Voice 14: offender of a policy statement?

[0:12:28] Voice 17: Trust committee. Okay. That would be something that would be more broadly communicated at Jason's

[0:12:37] Voice 17: Trust Council.

[0:12:40] Voice 14: So let's say we heard and we don't know. But I do. We did have a conversation.

[0:12:47] Voice 17: No, you didn't. Let me I'll look. Yeah, I did make a decision around with Jason here. Yeah, I'll

[0:12:53] Voice 17: look into the resolution so

[0:12:55] Voice 14: as i recall i think it was either here or another um venue where i

[0:13:00] Voice 14: believe there was agreement that there would be a general mail out so so because there's a difference

[0:13:05] Voice 14: between a dress mail and just a broad mail and i think that we either we agreed as local trust

[0:13:12] Voice 14: committee or trust council that there would be a mail out going so

[0:13:17] Voice 17: through the chair on the 29th

[0:13:20] Voice 17: of November, you chose option two, which is to have a community mail drop for phase four

[0:13:26] Voice 17: community engagement, in addition to a mail drop about the new draft of the distrust policy

[0:13:31] Voice 17: statement. I can add to the follow-up action list to follow up with Jason if you want to see.

[0:13:36] Voice 17: I do so

[0:13:38] Voice 14: many meetings, I just forget what was said where, but I'm glad that that got

[0:13:42] Voice 14: caught. And Trustee Morrison, did you want to speak about dark skies?

[0:13:46] Voice 14: yeah

[0:13:46] Trustee Morrison: so the dark skies did get on the agenda again um and just so you know like they kept

[0:13:51] Trustee Morrison: getting bumped because they were at the end of the agendas so we did get trust counsel to adjust

[0:13:56] Trustee Morrison: the agenda so that they were heard in the morning i think of thursday it was thursday morning

[0:14:00] Trustee Morrison: anyway um so if i remember all the decisions that came down so there was four um decision points on

[0:14:08] Trustee Morrison: that the first one had been done last june the second two so number two and three i think got

[0:14:14] Trustee Morrison: done this trust council if i remember correctly and then the fourth one is still waiting and

[0:14:21] Trustee Morrison: that's because the fourth one is a little bit more in depth and i think we need to do they're

[0:14:25] Trustee Morrison: a little bit linear like we need to do two and three before we can get to four so two and three

[0:14:29] Trustee Morrison: i think are in place now if i remember correctly i'm not sure if anyone else in the room can correct

[0:14:33] Trustee Morrison: me on that i

[0:14:35] Voice 14: believe you're correct yes i think just more so that's anybody else have any questions

[0:14:41] Voice 14: or comments or and

[0:14:42] Trustee Morrison: maybe just one last thing on that there was some discussion i think it was on

[0:14:46] Trustee Morrison: three i have to pull it up and look at it right now but um i think it was on three there was some

[0:14:49] Trustee Morrison: discussion about whether that was our jurisdiction or not um so it got people like there was a lot

[0:14:55] Trustee Morrison: of conversation but there is overwhelming support in principle for the work so we just need to think

[0:15:00] Trustee Morrison: about how we're going to communicate so i can reach out joyce and we can have a like longer

[0:15:03] Trustee Morrison: conversation about what's the next step before june

[0:15:06] Voice 2: excellent

[0:15:08] Voice 14: hands up so we've moved along

[0:15:13] Voice 14: and flipped the agenda uh so we have minutes before us um we have about trust me it is dated

[0:15:20] Voice 14: january 31st 2025 for adoption anybody have any comments or corrections or concerns if not by

[0:15:29] Voice 14: general consent we will talk those minutes uh we didn't have any results on minutes so we have

[0:15:35] Voice 14: the advisory planning commission minutes dated march 4th 2025 um where we see um certainly thank

[0:15:42] Voice 14: the advisory planning commission for your work it's uh it's not easy at times but you know it

[0:15:49] Voice 14: is so important and it really really helps our decision making process so thank you for your

[0:15:54] Voice 14: your time and efforts and all of this so business rising from the minutes we have follow-up action

[0:16:03] Voice 14: by planner stephanie commentary to go with that is that just for just for

[0:16:08] Voice 17: your permission let's

[0:16:09] Voice 17: have any questions

[0:16:10] Voice 14: so trustees any questions about um the fall action lesson all right

[0:16:17] Voice 14: so moving on we have um applications for referrals oh and we have the new program um pl pvp 2020

[0:16:26] 24. that's 330.

[0:16:29] Voice 14: um yes

[0:16:30] Voice 17: yeah thank you chair uh so this is a this is a application for a

[0:16:42] Voice 17: development variance permit for an existing dock associated walkway at 260 degree down the way

[0:16:50] Voice 17: the dock has been in place since the 80s 90s. A new owner is now looking to bring the dock

[0:16:58] Voice 17: to compliance with setting regulations around projection from the

[0:17:07] Voice 17: side meter plot line which is shown in a diagram on page 28 of the package

[0:17:14] and also variances to allow for an existing concrete walkway

[0:17:20] Voice 17: to be within side and ear

[0:17:21] Voice 17: pod setbacks.

[0:17:28] Voice 17: This property was recently also the site of shoreline restoration work, which is shown

[0:17:41] Voice 17: on page 23 of the photos that was done through more variance application and the work is

[0:17:51] Voice 17: as specified in the plan and I must say the replanting is a really nicely done job with

[0:17:58] Voice 17: a lot of really nice growth taking off and really well watered which is the case

[0:18:03] Voice 17: case. Overall, the application applies with intent to the regulation being varied. It's

[0:18:12] Voice 17: pretty minor variance. The next door neighbor is the park. He does have federal license

[0:18:20] Voice 17: of occupation for his dog to extend within the water zone of the park. So really just

[0:18:26] Voice 17: just this last piece to status and future extent.

[0:18:36] Voice 17: I'll pass it back to the chair for the office seat

[0:18:39] Voice 17: to have any questions for me.

[0:18:43] Voice 17: Thank

[0:18:44] Voice 14: you, Planner Smith.

[0:18:45] Voice 14: So trustees, any questions or comments?

[0:18:48] Voice 14: I

[0:18:48] Voice 15: think my only question was being the national park.

[0:18:53] Voice 15: When something goes over variance or referral

[0:18:57] Voice 15: and getting information back do we get any sort of documentation from them just stating that they're

[0:19:06] Voice 15: okay

[0:19:07] Voice 17: with it typically uh with development variance progress we don't do referrals to

[0:19:12] Voice 17: agencies so we just do the referral to all the but they would have been mailed

[0:19:17] Voice 17: the application as one of the adjoining properties within that 100 meter boundary

[0:19:22] Voice 17: and also i think it can be pretty safely assumed with having granted the federal license of

[0:19:26] Voice 17: occupation to have that dog within

[0:19:28] Voice 15: their yeah that was in their marine area

[0:19:31] Voice 15: uh that was more

[0:19:33] Voice 15: of a question if they've granted it is that them saying yeah i don't have any kind of issues i

[0:19:39] Voice 15: think that that could be safely applied and also

[0:19:42] Voice 17: they have been married with the male department

[0:19:48] and i

[0:19:50] Voice 17: didn't hear from any other neighbors

[0:19:51] Voice 17: when it started to weather and I've visited the site there it's been there for a long time.

[0:20:02] Voice 18: Yeah

[0:20:02] Trustee Morrison: the one question Brad was I had a similar question to Erin but do you know where the permit

[0:20:08] Trustee Morrison: is mailed for the national park does it get mailed to like the pender version of the national park or

[0:20:12] Trustee Morrison: does it get mailed to like Ottawa where does that get mailed do you know?

[0:20:16] Voice 17: We would have a contact

[0:20:18] Voice 17: at the park's office here on the Pacific coast.

[0:20:23] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:20:24] Voice 9: Not

[0:20:24] Voice 17: exactly sure about that.

[0:20:26] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:20:27] Voice 17: So that would have just been captured as an address

[0:20:31] Voice 17: in the 100 meter requirements

[0:20:34] Voice 17: around mailing notification for dogs.

[0:20:38] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:20:39] Voice 17: But I think they have issued a permit for that dog.

[0:20:44] Voice 17: So really. Yeah, I got that.

[0:20:45] Voice 17: that

[0:20:45] Voice 9: yeah

[0:20:48] Trustee Morrison: so i don't have any concerns with this i know the doc that we're talking about and we're

[0:20:52] Trustee Morrison: not talking about a like grisly different doc so that seems reasonable to me

[0:21:00] Voice 14: somebody want to make

[0:21:02] Voice 15: the motion on the team okay that the north bender island local trust committee approve issuance of

[0:21:09] Voice 15: Development Variance Permit Application NPPLVVP2024-0330, okay.

[0:21:20] Voice 2: Second. Seconded.

[0:21:22] Voice 14: All right, thank you for the discussion. Call the question. All in favor? That carries. Thank you.

[0:21:28] Voice 14: This

[0:21:29] Trustee Morrison: is the nice, like, inside the intent version of a variance, like, that's nice, so thank you.

[0:21:36] Voice 14: Excellent. Thank you very much.

[0:21:38] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:21:38] Voice 14: All right. On page 24, we have pl.dvp.20240350 Smith. And I note that Planner Belcher is

[0:21:55] Voice 14: presenting it. Welcome, Bruce, to North Pender. We promise to be kind to you. Over to you,

[0:22:02] Voice 14: Planner Belcher.

[0:22:03] Voice 1: Thank you. Yes, this is a new development

[0:22:07] Voice 1: variance permit application at 5410 Hewson Road, which is a 4.19 hectare or 10.35 acre property

[0:22:19] Voice 1: zoned rural in the North Pender land use bylaw. The application is for variance to the maximum

[0:22:26] Voice 1: height and number of stories for an accessory building, which is an existing agricultural

[0:22:33] Voice 1: cultural building that's intended to be converted to an accessory building. So the existing building

[0:22:40] Voice 1: is 8.61 meters and two stories, but the maximum for an accessory building is a maximum of 4.6

[0:22:50] Voice 1: meters in height and one story. So the variance would permit the existing building at its current

[0:22:55] Voice 1: height to remain in its current form. And the rationale for the variance is to save and repurpose

[0:23:02] Voice 1: the existing barn so that it can be used as a shop, office, and storage space, and thus the

[0:23:08] Voice 1: use would meet the definition of an accessory building and require a variance. And the barn

[0:23:13] Voice 1: is a long-standing structure. There are no new additions being proposed to the barn. The

[0:23:19] Voice 1: application began as an Islands Trust preliminary plan review for the proposed alterations and

[0:23:25] Voice 1: change of use for the existing barn, at which point staff identified that since the building

[0:23:31] Voice 1: was changing its use from agriculture to an accessory building, that the height and number

[0:23:36] Voice 1: of stories would no longer be conforming with the land use bylaw. The barn is sited lawfully

[0:23:42] Voice 1: on the property as it's 7.73 meters from the closest lot line, which is the interior side

[0:23:49] Voice 1: lot line where the maximum or the minimum setback is 6.1 meters. And additional to the barn,

[0:23:57] Voice 1: The property has a principal dwelling and accessory carport, which are currently under construction and permitted, and there is also an existing greenhouse, and the converted barn would have a total floor area of 184 square meters, which bringing an estimated total for all buildings on the property following construction to 325 square meters,

[0:24:25] Voice 1: which is well within the maximum permitted floor area of 3,000 square meters

[0:24:30] Voice 1: and also well within the maximum permitted lot coverage of 25%.

[0:24:36] Voice 1: And following a site visit, staff consider that the variance request is reasonable

[0:24:43] Voice 1: and the building's height would not have any new impact on neighboring properties

[0:24:47] Voice 1: due to the area being screened from the road and neighbors by trees

[0:24:52] Voice 1: and the building pre-exists the current owners

[0:24:56] Voice 1: and has been on the property for at least 20 years.

[0:25:01] Voice 1: And granting the variance would not exempt the building

[0:25:04] Voice 1: from compliance with the permitted uses associated with the property zoning.

[0:25:09] Voice 1: So specifically, the building could not be used for human habitation

[0:25:13] Voice 1: as an accessory building, and this variance would not allow any other use.

[0:25:19] Voice 1: So based on this, the staff recommends that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of PLDVP-2025-0350. Thanks.

[0:25:32] Voice 13: Thank you, Pat and Alton. Trustees, any questions, comments, concerns?

[0:25:37] Voice 9: I

[0:25:37] Trustee Morrison: just had a question you're citing 3,000 square meters as the total but I thought we were working

[0:25:46] Trustee Morrison: in square feet for some reason so maybe Brad if you can just what is the maximum allowable square

[0:25:53] Trustee Morrison: footage for that property if I can just get a clarification or Bruce which whichever one sure

[0:25:59] Voice 1: Sure. Let me just look that up quickly.

[0:26:03] Voice 1: Okay. So 3,000 square meters would be 32,292 square feet, which it's written as both in the land use bylaw.

[0:26:20] Trustee Morrison: 32,000 square feet? No.

[0:26:24] Voice 1: That's for maximum for all buildings.

[0:26:30] Voice 18: uh

[0:26:34] Voice 9: okay i need to just pause and

[0:26:37] Trustee Morrison: have a look at that because that's not my understanding but

[0:26:39] Trustee Morrison: i okay because we're not going on lot coverage for the house anymore so does that mean that

[0:26:45] Trustee Morrison: accessory buildings can be tens of thousands of square feet we're going on like we have a

[0:26:55] Trustee Morrison: house size cap on pender so

[0:26:58] Voice 17: the tables what what is the zoning first sorry it's rural

[0:27:04] Voice 1: Rural.

[0:27:05] Voice 17: So the table in the land use bylaw provides specific floor area for all buildings, as well as for dwelling.

[0:27:19] Voice 17: And so the maximum floor area for all structures, as he's pointing to, is 3,000 meters squared on a lot 1.2 hectares or greater, and less than 60.

[0:27:32] Trustee Morrison: And what is that house?

[0:27:34] Trustee Morrison: maximum

[0:27:34] Voice 17: house size of your bylaw is 418 meters square 4,500 square feet oh that's fascinating

[0:27:43] Trustee Morrison: so there is actually like accessory building wise there's significant room for people to put

[0:27:50] Trustee Morrison: large accessory buildings on properties yeah it makes sense for agricultural spaces and rural

[0:27:57] Trustee Morrison: spaces where you might have big barns or workshops like i get that i just that was that number is a

[0:28:02] Trustee Morrison: a lot bigger than I thought it was in feet uh for some reason I

[0:28:06] Trustee Morrison: hadn't like that's for larger

[0:28:08] Voice 17: lots of course for smaller

[0:28:09] Trustee Morrison: lots of course yeah a

[0:28:10] Voice 17: thousand meters squared or 500 meters squared

[0:28:13] Voice 17: yeah

[0:28:13] Trustee Morrison: I think the thing is we had so much conversation about the smaller lots that

[0:28:16] Trustee Morrison: like the upper one I just hadn't kept in my head with the overall square footage but I remember

[0:28:21] Trustee Morrison: the conversations about it for big shops and um and we had a number of properties on Pender that

[0:28:26] Trustee Morrison: have big shops or big barns and things like that so okay okay that's helpful how big is the house

[0:28:32] Trustee Morrison: plan to be um

[0:28:34] Voice 1: i believe it's i don't have it up right now but it's it would be about 150 square

[0:28:43] Voice 1: meters okay

[0:28:44] Trustee Morrison: okay it's

[0:28:45] Voice 1: well below the maximum okay

[0:28:47] Trustee Morrison: thank you for that sorry aaron did you have

[0:28:50] Trustee Morrison: questions too uh

[0:28:52] Voice 15: i have to admit when i first read the package i read it wrong and i thought

[0:28:57] Voice 15: we were adding an extra story to it and i looked at the size of the barn and i thought what are

[0:29:02] Voice 15: we're rebuilding here um and then because it's got the picture of the old barn on there and

[0:29:08] Voice 15: bring it in into compliance with the second story a skyscraper um but i think that

[0:29:15] Voice 15: you know i think i had this is one of the things that i did hear um concerns from out of the

[0:29:21] Voice 15: community um and and there was some correspondence that came back in and i think that people are

[0:29:29] Voice 15: are concerned about what it's basically what the intent is of using the building the intent of use

[0:29:36] Voice 15: if it's not an agricultural building anymore um what is you know sort of what is the plan for it

[0:29:45] Voice 15: to be uh increased you know and allow the state at that size and so i think that that might be

[0:29:53] Voice 15: something that we'd like some clarification on as to build out you know what is the

[0:30:00] Voice 15: of the build out is it going to end up being a commercial like more of a commercial type building

[0:30:05] Voice 15: uh that's now operating as a as a home-based business in somebody's backyard or yeah would

[0:30:13] Voice 15: we have any any knowledge as to what why why so actually happens with us so yes so it's being

[0:30:21] Voice 15: used for housing our tractor our lawn equipment wood shop and shop space right and as we

[0:30:30] Voice 15: migrate over the whole time an office but i'm still working so desk it's just a big nice

[0:30:36] Voice 15: beautiful space yeah i'm

[0:30:38] Voice 15: sure it's it's calling a so restore it to its glory okay i i mean so

[0:30:49] Voice 15: in trying to balance out uh things that had had come forward there was a request from in the

[0:30:57] Voice 15: letter uh that was provided to us uh asking for sort of time to consider whether the people that

[0:31:06] Voice 15: are affected in the surrounding properties did or didn't object to it because they didn't know

[0:31:13] Voice 15: what was going to be you know resurrected in the backyard and so i'm i'm unsure

[0:31:22] Voice 15: I'm not sure about what the process for us would be in trying to address public concern

[0:31:31] Voice 15: in a variance and I think they do know what the process would be that we get letters where

[0:31:43] Voice 15: folks are concerned and they've directed it back to request more information.

[0:31:48] Voice 15: we get more information, how do we pass that back to the public before we make a decision?

[0:31:55] Voice 15: I would

[0:31:56] Voice 15: defer a

[0:31:57] Voice 17: decision today and read back the application with that new information

[0:32:03] Voice 17: at a future meeting or whatever.

[0:32:06] Voice 17: In new information you're requesting, Lanner-Geltscher would pursue and bring back.

[0:32:12] Voice 17: the staff report should have that option there to seek additional information yeah and so

[0:32:22] Voice 18: yeah yeah so

[0:32:25] Trustee Morrison: i i'm i'm game for deferring it for the next meeting i think if we do defer it we

[0:32:31] Trustee Morrison: should ask specific questions um so the questions would be like is there commercial use intended

[0:32:39] Trustee Morrison: intended on the like you know home-based business use intended on the property that would be helpful

[0:32:45] Trustee Morrison: to know for for community and then you know i would encourage the applicant if they haven't

[0:32:51] Trustee Morrison: already to actually have some conversations with with neighbors about like concerns that they might

[0:32:57] Trustee Morrison: have and just understand what your intent is in the space because it's usually from my experience

[0:33:02] Trustee Morrison: especially up there given like the history of the um what is it the um the wood mill it's not

[0:33:12] Trustee Morrison: called a wood mill what is it called sawmill

[0:33:14] Voice 12: thank

[0:33:16] Trustee Morrison: you the sawmill up there um on that same space i

[0:33:20] Trustee Morrison: think the neighbors just want to understand what the noise pollution might be in the context of the

[0:33:25] Trustee Morrison: the shop so i think conversations with the neighbors would be helpful in that some clarity

[0:33:31] Trustee Morrison: on what the shop activity might be like um not from a home use but like is there commercial use

[0:33:36] Trustee Morrison: or not and uh i think that would be good so if we could defer this and there it doesn't seem like

[0:33:42] Trustee Morrison: there's any real implication to deferring it for the applicant is there okay

[0:33:48] Voice 14: so an applicant

[0:33:50] Voice 14: certainly wants to speak on this so if you want to provide some clarity i don't know

[0:33:54] Voice 14: there's no commercial usage for this property it's basically a large garage

[0:33:59] Voice 15: The wood mill on the property is just a wood mill because we have 10 and a half acres of

[0:34:04] Voice 15: wood.

[0:34:05] Voice 17: It's not a commercial.

[0:34:06] Voice 17: Nothing about that property is commercial.

[0:34:09] Voice 17: We plan to retire.

[0:34:10] Voice 17: There's no business eventually.

[0:34:15] Voice 17: And we have it in touch with the neighbors.

[0:34:18] Voice 17: And this property as well has been used for a business for many years on top, that farm

[0:34:25] Voice 17: is renovated.

[0:34:26] Voice 17: i don't know if it was done legally or illegally but it was used as a as a business for many many

[0:34:31] Voice 17: years and it's now currently uh previous owners um have put a apartment into it which we want to

[0:34:39] Voice 17: remove so our activity there is primarily just restoring the barn to a structure it's just going

[0:34:45] Voice 17: to be for lawn equipment and equipment rather than being outside no shot a lot of no business

[0:34:51] Voice 17: I think that

[0:34:55] Voice 15: there's been a few precedent-setting buildings approved on Pender with land use,

[0:35:08] Voice 15: one in particular that is still an issue of concern for folks that once a variance is

[0:35:20] Voice 15: granted there's very little teeth to control what it is that somebody does with the property

[0:35:28] Voice 15: without basically going to court about it and so we're trying to make sure that we ask the

[0:35:36] Voice 15: right questions before we grant an application and make sure that we also make sure that the

[0:35:42] Voice 15: public knows that they get that they've been heard and they get the information back that

[0:35:47] Voice 15: they're requesting so that they know whether they want to be upset about it or not right like that's

[0:35:54] Voice 15: that so we get the information that you can tell us you can honestly you can tell us anything that

[0:36:02] Voice 15: you want in in an application and we have no way of verifying whether that is truthfully going to

[0:36:08] Voice 15: be what it ends up being um but once we say yes we don't really have grounds to go back on that

[0:36:17] Voice 15: after it anyway. So yeah, just trying to make sure that it gets communicated properly.

[0:36:25] Voice 15: So Travis probably has

[0:36:27] Voice 17: something to say and then we'll get back to you.

[0:36:28] Voice 17: So I just want to make it clear that if you're asking for additional, like it should be really

[0:36:33] Voice 17: clear what you're asking for. Typically like it would be either you could ask for changes to the

[0:36:39] Voice 17: plan if you're not if you the notification has been done in a sense the statutory requirement

[0:36:48] Voice 17: to notify the community has been done and you've heard their concerns uh there's no real mechanism

[0:36:55] Voice 17: to go back to those people other than i guess you can just take more time to decide that's different

[0:37:03] Voice 17: than asking for something like what i will a lot of your questions i think have been answered here

[0:37:08] Voice 17: by your applicants now in terms of what their intent is et cetera right so just sorry if you're

[0:37:17] Voice 17: asking for more information there is a a resolution alternative under page 47. yeah

[0:37:25] Voice 7: yeah

[0:37:26] Voice 17: and then i don't want to mean to uh this is the bruce's uh

[0:37:33] Voice 17: So

[0:37:33] Voice 14: just for clarification, Planner Smith, under the current zoning, basically if there

[0:37:41] Voice 14: was to be any commercial activity, it would be under home occupations, but that wouldn't

[0:37:48] Voice 14: be the only allowed.

[0:37:49] Voice 14: So if the North Pendergast is not like other file laws, it's fairly restrictive as to what

[0:37:56] Voice 14: you legally can do within that structure as a home application.

[0:38:00] Voice 14: patient so if

[0:38:02] Voice 17: that building's legalized you could potentially technically use that building

[0:38:06] Voice 17: so

[0:38:07] Voice 14: so it's

[0:38:14] Voice 4: my understanding that the issue is that it's two stories

[0:38:19] Voice 4: not if it's the market not not the use but we we explain what the use would be which would

[0:38:24] Voice 4: be storage to maintain the building what's the alternative we destroy the farm

[0:38:30] Voice 4: is that kind of the choice that we would have is that we get rid of the barn and demo it like i'm

[0:38:37] Voice 4: just trying to understand the options because it's two stories that's how it's

[0:38:43] Voice 18: built in the 80s it's

[0:38:45] Voice 18: 40 years old we

[0:38:46] Voice 4: wanted to keep it when we bought the home we didn't know it was designated as a

[0:38:52] Voice 4: barn we would like just to restore it and so we had to change it from a bar to an accessory

[0:38:58] Voice 4: to restore

[0:39:00] Voice 18: it can

[0:39:00] Voice 4: we restore it just as a barn and make this a moot point but we can't right

[0:39:05] Voice 4: because we don't have animals so what i'm trying to understand is the issue is it's two stories

[0:39:12] Voice 4: and otherwise if that's not conforming you have to destroy the barn you have to lose the barn

[0:39:17] Voice 4: correct okay so

[0:39:19] Voice 17: no you do have a choice to restore it as a barn and have a listening

[0:39:26] Voice 17: agriculture but

[0:39:27] Voice 4: we don't want animals but

[0:39:29] Voice 17: that's your that's your that is the choice you have

[0:39:33] Voice 17: is to keep it and restore and maintain it as an agricultural structure keep it

[0:39:38] Voice 4: as a farm and then

[0:39:40] Voice 17: and then you could abandon your application and just have it as a bar but you're trying to

[0:39:50] Voice 17: uh get a variance to use it as a structure other than an agricultural structure and so thus

[0:39:56] Voice 17: and the bylaw states that you can't have a two-story accessory structure so that's where

[0:40:02] Voice 17: you're at so trustee marston

[0:40:05] Trustee Morrison: yeah so basically the challenge is that if you want to use the

[0:40:10] Trustee Morrison: upstairs as an office it becomes an accessory building versus a barn this is a fine line in

[0:40:17] Trustee Morrison: some ways because like if the bottom is used as like machine storage and it's i don't know it's

[0:40:24] Trustee Morrison: It's a very fine line here from my perspective, and I know it probably isn't from Bruce or

[0:40:29] Trustee Morrison: Brad's perspective, but so yeah, so it's, it's not, it's because the use changes the

[0:40:37] Trustee Morrison: nature of the building and then the building for that kind of use is shorter.

[0:40:44] Trustee Morrison: But you already got this building, so we don't really want you to take it down and build

[0:40:48] Trustee Morrison: another one.

[0:40:48] Trustee Morrison: so it's good to keep this building right because just on all fronts using what's there is better

[0:40:54] Trustee Morrison: than changing things um so i'm i'm totally in support of the application as it stands i think

[0:41:02] Trustee Morrison: i'm more on what aaron's comments are it's about community conversation and about making sure that

[0:41:08] Trustee Morrison: community just has awareness of the issue before we pass the variance it's not about the application

[0:41:14] Trustee Morrison: to me the application looks solid okay so it's a challenge for us because it's more about public

[0:41:22] Trustee Morrison: communication and awareness so that we like maintain harmony in our community with you and

[0:41:27] Trustee Morrison: your neighbors and with everyone right we don't necessarily think that there's going to be changes

[0:41:31] Trustee Morrison: to this because it seems a very reasonable ask um so i guess the the challenge for you is if we

[0:41:38] Trustee Morrison: defer it then that's like you can't necessarily make any of these changes that you want in the

[0:41:43] Trustee Morrison: timeline that you're hoping to make them so that's the dilemma we face when is our next meeting

[0:41:51] Voice 18: may 30th

[0:41:52] Trustee Morrison: so that would be the the level of delay um and the thing that i oh my gosh my dog is in

[0:41:59] Trustee Morrison: here now sorry um so um what i would love to see as part of the application to make this easier

[0:42:08] Trustee Morrison: from a community awareness perspective is i would like to see a couple letters of support from

[0:42:13] Trustee Morrison: neighbors like that's generally what we have with applications for variances like this and that

[0:42:18] Trustee Morrison: would solve the problem so that would be something that i would be looking for so

[0:42:23] Voice 14: maybe we can just

[0:42:24] Voice 14: clarify with the applicant you you had previously mentioned you have spoken with your neighbors

[0:42:29] Voice 14: um so maybe so we know

[0:42:31] Voice 4: we didn't touch you know there's a park on it as well but um i guess i'm

[0:42:36] Voice 4: just trying to explore what our options are so the neighbors don't want us to change the

[0:42:40] Voice 4: a barn to an accessory, we're back to just keeping it as a barn.

[0:42:45] Voice 4: We'll keep it as a barn, and it can get dilapidated. That's fine.

[0:42:51] Voice 4: We'll build another building somewhere else.

[0:42:52] Voice 14: So if we defer this to May, does that have an impact on you?

[0:42:58] Voice 14: Well, we can't do it for a long story. We've been there for a year almost now.

[0:43:02] Voice 17: We haven't been able to do anything.

[0:43:03] Voice 4: We're waiting. We're doing it by the book.

[0:43:06] Voice 17: Which

[0:43:06] Voice 4: it wasn't before.

[0:43:07] Voice 17: There's a legal suite in it. There was a business

[0:43:09] Voice 4: business

[0:43:10] Voice 17: running in it so we just want to bring it doing this properly with uh with engineers

[0:43:14] Voice 17: and

[0:43:14] Voice 15: contacts it's all per code right it's all being done right i want 100 yeah know what this

[0:43:21] Voice 15: is already because we have one right like i had i already know the building uh we happen to have

[0:43:30] Voice 15: agricultural land so a chain we didn't have to apply for the variance for the height of it but

[0:43:36] Voice 15: But I understand exactly what you guys are trying to do.

[0:43:41] Voice 15: Don't take it as though someone is trying to say no to what this process is.

[0:43:48] Voice 15: That's not even really, Deb's already said that she's interested in what it is.

[0:43:52] Voice 15: What I'm trying to understand, the question that I'm asking is what we're asked for further information.

[0:43:59] Voice 15: And we only meet a certain number of times during a year.

[0:44:04] Voice 15: we we our information is requested of us we don't have a way to collect it uh unless it's done

[0:44:12] Voice 15: publicly and submit it to someone because it has there has to be transparency in what we do so you

[0:44:19] Voice 15: guys have provided the information that was requested and

[0:44:22] Voice 4: we went to the neighbors and

[0:44:23] Voice 4: chapters were sent sure

[0:44:26] Voice 15: but like like and then there was a letter sent back requesting

[0:44:30] Voice 15: more like more information about what is happening and and can we get a like can we get a delay in

[0:44:39] Voice 15: doing it until we've heard what the information is so all what my question is is when we request

[0:44:48] Voice 15: information you've now provided it to us what is our avenue or what is our responsibility to the

[0:44:54] Voice 15: the public to transfer that information back to the three people that send the letter and have

[0:45:02] Voice 15: them okay now I've I've checked that box you know if they are happy with the answer there it's a

[0:45:12] Voice 15: slam dunk check the boxes right like that's that's all we're trying to trying to make sure that we do

[0:45:18] Voice 15: And we had one earlier this year where there was no negative, and we passed it, and then there was a lot of negative.

[0:45:30] Voice 15: Still negative.

[0:45:33] Voice 15: So we're just trying to figure out the proper process.

[0:45:38] Voice 15: None of us are career politicians.

[0:45:41] Voice 15: We're all folks that get elected from the island.

[0:45:45] Voice 15: And you learn on the job as you're doing it.

[0:45:47] Voice 15: and we're just trying to make sure that that is done properly which if it wasn't your application

[0:45:54] Voice 15: you would probably really appreciate getting that kind of a of service it sucks when it happens to

[0:46:03] Voice 15: be your the next variance permit that comes up in this kind of a situation we're trying to make

[0:46:08] Voice 15: sure that we do it right so that's all i mean my question i guess to bruce would be or through brad

[0:46:15] Voice 15: like do we have a responsibility to transfer the information back to the

[0:46:22] Voice 15: people that have requested further information before we make any sort of

[0:46:28] Voice 15: decision so

[0:46:33] Voice 17: I

[0:46:34] Voice 14: just

[0:46:38] Voice 1: had one point regarding the the letter received from

[0:46:43] Voice 1: the neighbors I believe it was received prior to the agenda being published so

[0:46:48] Voice 1: So they had questions because the notice is obviously isn't as descriptive as what the agenda and what the staff report clarifies upon following the published, which then I directed them to the agenda when it was published.

[0:47:03] Voice 1: And we didn't receive any further questions. And I believe the notification period was still open once the agenda was published. So we didn't receive any further questions.

[0:47:13] Voice 1: questions. So I'm not sure what other questions they might have, but I think they were regarding

[0:47:20] Voice 1: the use of the building, which it was outlined in the notice, but then obviously was more

[0:47:26] Voice 1: descriptive in the staff report. So ideally, the neighbors would have all that information

[0:47:33] Voice 1: and would be able to read the staff report and be able to answer all their questions regarding

[0:47:39] Voice 1: regarding what the use is going to be and that's in the use that we know of and that the applicant

[0:47:47] Voice 1: has described that's as much as we are going off of so yeah that's all I can say thank

[0:47:52] Trustee Morrison: you very much

[0:47:53] Trustee Morrison: um yeah can I just

[0:47:57] Voice 17: add to that uh with respect to Trustee Campbell's question uh it's a notification

[0:48:07] Voice 17: So there's no requirement to receive feedback, even, or to consider feedback by the entire

[0:48:15] Voice 17: statutory discretion with respect to issue invariance.

[0:48:20] Voice 17: So it really is just an issue.

[0:48:24] Voice 2: Trustee Morris?

[0:48:25] Voice 2: I

[0:48:27] Trustee Morrison: totally get what the law is.

[0:48:28] Trustee Morrison: That doesn't necessarily fly on North Pender.

[0:48:30] Trustee Morrison: um so the challenge that we have um i think here is is a communication so thank you very much um

[0:48:40] Trustee Morrison: planner belcher because i think that that helps us understand that there was actually an iteration

[0:48:46] Trustee Morrison: on the feedback right the challenge that we have is that we are expecting active feedback from our

[0:48:52] Trustee Morrison: community and they are expecting us to use our judgment and sometimes in areas it's a little

[0:48:58] Trustee Morrison: little bit gray because it's like like what what Aaron is saying there has been times where there

[0:49:05] Trustee Morrison: was like heavy pushback and you know so the question is like where is our judgment on this

[0:49:11] Trustee Morrison: is it like dialed into where the community is in this moment I would say we could go ahead and

[0:49:17] Trustee Morrison: approve this because it seems like the use is consistent with what the the building transition

[0:49:23] Trustee Morrison: they're asking for it doesn't seem like it's going to cause disruption in the neighborhood

[0:49:27] Trustee Morrison: neighborhood it's you know existing building like it seems all good to me and i i understand the

[0:49:32] Trustee Morrison: recommendation from the staff to go this direction i guess it's a question for you for you and i

[0:49:37] Trustee Morrison: erin of whether like we think that the consultation needs that we have with our community have been

[0:49:44] Trustee Morrison: met by having this iteration of like they they emailed the report went out there was no further

[0:49:51] Trustee Morrison: Did they know to like have to do a further email is my question, right? Because that's part of the questions. But I feel like this application is solid, like for what's being asked. So and if that iterations already happened a little bit, I feel okay about that.

[0:50:08] Trustee Morrison: it is better frankly to have supporting letters with applications just from planners perspective

[0:50:15] Trustee Morrison: like it's and I know we seek them like through letters but if we've had a negative letter before

[0:50:21] Trustee Morrison: it's cool to just email out to them too and be like hey any further comments so that we can

[0:50:25] Trustee Morrison: understand if you're in support now or not like that would be helpful to know so anyway Aaron I

[0:50:31] Trustee Morrison: don't know what do you want to do so

[0:50:34] Voice 14: we have a member of the public wants to speak so I think

[0:50:37] Voice 14: Generally, we don't, but it's not tender, so go ahead, sir.

[0:50:43] Voice 16: I find that the application with respect to its final use

[0:50:52] Voice 16: and this particular variance are kind of moot

[0:50:55] Voice 16: because the variance is about the height of the building

[0:50:59] Voice 16: and its use, changing its use from agricultural to accessory.

[0:51:03] Voice 16: And the height obviously has an impact on whether or not

[0:51:06] Voice 16: the neighbors can see the building and so forth,

[0:51:08] Voice 16: But the use, whether it's a garage, a shed, the basement of a house, a barn, you can run a home business from that, whether they convert it or not.

[0:51:20] Voice 16: And if the issue with the neighborhood is that the concern over the type of business that could be run out of that, well, it's a separate thing entirely.

[0:51:30] Voice 16: You have rules governing what kind of business and the impact that that has on the neighbors.

[0:51:35] Voice 16: So I don't see how the two really are, in this particular case, really related.

[0:51:43] Voice 16: It's moot.

[0:51:44] Voice 16: Even if they do want to ultimately run a business out of it, they just have to follow the rules regarding that.

[0:51:49] Voice 16: It just happens to be taller than it would otherwise be.

[0:51:52] Voice 16: It's really what it's about.

[0:51:53] Voice 16: The

[0:51:54] Voice 15: only real question I think right now is just about process.

[0:51:58] Voice 15: That's all.

[0:51:59] Voice 15: It's just about process.

[0:52:00] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:52:00] Voice 15: Yeah, we're, we're purely just trying to make sure that we do it. Yeah, do

[0:52:06] Voice 15: it right. And that's my

[0:52:08] Voice 14: only assumption is, though, is that if there was truly some serious concern that they wouldn't be attending the meeting.

[0:52:16] Voice 14: So,

[0:52:17] Voice 4: oh, yeah, I'll be in this.

[0:52:22] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[0:52:23] Voice 14: Go ahead.

[0:52:24] Voice 14: What

[0:52:24] Voice 3: would you...

[0:52:27] Voice 14: By the rules, no.

[0:52:29] Voice 14: But, we're bending rules.

[0:52:31] Voice 3: I spoke to the committee

[0:52:32] Voice 3: about making the submission

[0:52:35] Voice 3: and we said I should get it in

[0:52:37] Voice 3: right away that it would be still

[0:52:39] Voice 3: received. And I received confirmation

[0:52:41] Voice 3: that it was received. So if you're saying

[0:52:43] Voice 3: that there has been no response back from the

[0:52:45] Voice 3: committee, that's incorrect.

[0:52:47] Voice 3: And

[0:52:48] Voice 6: I sent a second email

[0:52:49] Voice 6: after the first email

[0:52:51] Voice 6: to plan the voucher and did not get a response and it was within the same like it was after the 28th

[0:53:00] Voice 6: because we had 10 days to respond to this responded to it in the time frame got a response

[0:53:06] Voice 6: back responded to that didn't get a response okay so

[0:53:10] Voice 14: i don't know who's

[0:53:11] Voice 6: sitting here yeah so

[0:53:12] Voice 14: so this is why we we need this is why we're here this is what we're listening to so

[0:53:17] Voice 14: i

[0:53:18] Voice 17: did also indicate yesterday that the best time to speak would have been in town hall to raise

[0:53:23] Voice 17: your legs well

[0:53:24] Voice 3: i assume that because i had sent you the letter that was in but i didn't

[0:53:30] Voice 14: so so given all that would you like to verbalize what your concerns are

[0:53:36] Voice 3: or your support

[0:53:37] Voice 3: we did length and extension so that we have time to look at this you know there are like six

[0:53:44] Voice 3: properties that are directly affected and none of us are lawyers none of us

[0:53:50] Voice 3: are planners we don't have staff that we can have to research for us and we have

[0:53:55] Voice 3: very little time to understand what was being asked what the issue was how it

[0:54:01] Voice 3: will impact us and what would be solutions that would make it tolerable

[0:54:07] Voice 3: for us so we would appreciate a bit more time and to make sure that you have

[0:54:12] Voice 3: received any questions.

[0:54:16] Voice 18: Do you have more to add? I echo what Maureen said.

[0:54:20] Voice 6: I think we stated clearly

[0:54:23] Voice 6: in all of the communications that our concerns are noise and light because not only is the building

[0:54:30] Voice 6: all behind it also sits on a ridge above right so it's higher by virtue of where it is and it's

[0:54:38] Voice 6: taller so if you're going to do something in there that makes a lot of noise or requires a lot of

[0:54:43] Voice 6: life it will have an impact and to state that it won't have an impact is suspicious of course it

[0:54:50] Voice 6: won't

[0:54:51] Voice 15: so but as an agricultural building all of that can go on yeah so it's kept as it's kept as

[0:55:02] Voice 15: an agricultural building you can light it up i have lots of you can do pretty much any of the

[0:55:13] Voice 15: the things that you're concerned about can be done in an agricultural building and any of the

[0:55:18] Voice 15: things that they're possibly wanting to do could still be done in an agricultural building um so

[0:55:26] Voice 15: that's as far as the variance on what it's going to be and sort of what like it almost sounds like

[0:55:34] Voice 15: the question is more about form and character than it is about about anything else and that's

[0:55:42] Voice 15: that's not really in the variance permit. We're being asked to vary the height of it.

[0:55:51] Voice 15: As far as the uses are concerned in there, as long as they are allowable on a rural piece

[0:56:01] Voice 15: of land, that's not part of the variance and that sort of is the point. The variance aspect

[0:56:09] Voice 15: aspect of the building is almost moved because what the real information that you're asking for

[0:56:16] Voice 15: is what the intended use of it is that we that could change tomorrow um you know there was a

[0:56:22] Voice 15: big barn built that was going to become a cidery don't know that there's ever been any cider made

[0:56:28] Voice 15: inside that building ever right that was the intention of it and that's what the application

[0:56:34] Voice 15: was put forward so so this is this is where um trying trying to understand what what is being

[0:56:48] Voice 15: asked for and the clarity of what that is versus how it really applies to the to the variants

[0:56:55] Voice 15: i don't know if that actually applies in the end i mean deb deb can maybe i don't know how

[0:57:07] Voice 15: how you feel about that but that's yeah so on height is a

[0:57:13] Voice 15: variance on height yeah

[0:57:15] Trustee Morrison: so and and

[0:57:16] Trustee Morrison: the reason the variance on height is there for accessory buildings is like you know like like

[0:57:21] Trustee Morrison: the situation you're talking about over on plan bay like that building got built as an agricultural

[0:57:27] Trustee Morrison: building without a permit because it meant the agricultural building requirements right and it

[0:57:33] Trustee Morrison: It is supposed to be used for agricultural purposes, but it is a high question of whether it really is going to be used for agricultural purposes.

[0:57:41] Trustee Morrison: And so like that is a concern because when you have a really tall building and it gets lights in the top of the building, that does impact neighbors.

[0:57:50] Trustee Morrison: And that's why we don't necessarily have accessory building is one of the reasons I think why we don't necessarily have tall accessory buildings so that they become more low on the horizon and like in the vicinity.

[0:58:01] Trustee Morrison: so I I'm going to ask us to defer I'm going to ask us to defer and like wait until we've had

[0:58:08] Trustee Morrison: given that the neighbors are clearly telling us that they want some time to consider this and

[0:58:13] Trustee Morrison: from our process perspective and I know what the law says but from our sort of commitment to

[0:58:19] Trustee Morrison: community is like some time to for community to understand and think about that with with the

[0:58:24] Trustee Morrison: applicants so we're gonna pause and have people give a conversation have you give like more

[0:58:31] Trustee Morrison: detailed feedback before you come into the May meeting and that's what I would suggest that we

[0:58:37] Trustee Morrison: defer it to May.

[0:58:39] Voice 16: So a quick with respect to the use I would imagine that as an accessory building

[0:58:45] Voice 16: and home occupation there are more restrictions on what an individual can do than an agricultural

[0:58:49] Voice 16: building so if it remains agricultural you could end up with a whole lot of noise light and kerfuffle

[0:58:55] Voice 16: than if they are more restricted as an accessory it's

[0:58:59] Trustee Morrison: possible yeah it's that's possible but i

[0:59:02] Trustee Morrison: would say that like having a clear statement and plan about what you're doing so so the challenge

[0:59:07] Trustee Morrison: we have is like you can make all the arguments to us right now about how you might mitigate that but

[0:59:12] Trustee Morrison: it's verbal and until we have it as part of like the community conversation it's a process problem

[0:59:18] Trustee Morrison: for us. So, because we understand that and we want to take you at face value of like what you're

[0:59:26] Trustee Morrison: saying, but we also are responsible to community broadly. And so we need to just make sure that

[0:59:32] Trustee Morrison: community have time to absorb that and think about that. And I know it's frustrating. I've

[0:59:35] Trustee Morrison: been there too. So, but that's, I think that's the right move right now.

[0:59:41] Voice 14: But I would say that

[0:59:43] Voice 14: With communication, if the business is going to be deferred, there needs to be an understanding

[0:59:49] Voice 14: that the accessory use is far more restrictive than the existing agricultural use.

[0:59:58] Voice 14: There's a lot more restrictions.

[1:00:00] Voice 14: what you can and cannot do within the structure of an accessory building than you can with an

[1:00:03] Voice 14: agricultural. So as it exists right now, there's a whole litany of things you can do within that

[1:00:11] Voice 14: structure. As an accessory building, it's reasonably restricted. And the applicant is

[1:00:17] Voice 14: simply asking to put an office in. So I would assume the impact would be low.

[1:00:26] Voice 14: So, if LTC wants to defer, that's its decision, but with stress we need to understand what

[1:00:38] Voice 14: we're asking the applicant to provide for the next meeting, because we have the concerned

[1:00:44] Voice 14: neighbours, we have the applicant, so we have the questions, we have the answers, but I

[1:00:48] Voice 6: don't

[1:00:48] Voice 14: know what more we're going to be able to provide by deferring for a month.

[1:00:53] Voice 6: That's a very useful piece of information. And it's not a piece of information that was understandable to me in either the notice or in detail that was in the agenda, which I know that the three neighbors read very carefully.

[1:01:10] Voice 6: I mean, this is all new to us.

[1:01:12] Voice 6: I also want to stress, as we've said in the written communication,

[1:01:17] Voice 6: we're not trying to prevent somebody from doing something

[1:01:21] Voice 6: that they want to do for their own property.

[1:01:23] Voice 6: We're not trying to do that.

[1:01:25] Voice 6: We're just trying to make sure that whatever it is they choose to do

[1:01:29] Voice 6: is not something that impacts our quiet enjoyment of our own properties.

[1:01:34] Voice 6: From what you just said, you were better off with an accessory building,

[1:01:38] Voice 6: but how do we know this if we don't have some conversation about it?

[1:01:42] Voice 14: But I guess that's my question.

[1:01:44] Voice 14: As a neighbour, has there been enough discussion back and forth

[1:01:49] Voice 14: and answers and questions today to sort of...

[1:01:55] Voice 14: So if we defer to May, do you feel you're going to gain more out of it

[1:01:59] Voice 14: or do you think we can get your questions today?

[1:02:04] Voice 3: I believe that given more time that we would have a better understanding

[1:02:09] Voice 3: that's what we've said today.

[1:02:12] Voice 3: But we do need some time.

[1:02:15] Voice 3: We're not professionals, that's plant management.

[1:02:23] Voice 3: Unless there's a reason for this to be pushed through today,

[1:02:28] Voice 3: I request that we make it.

[1:02:30] Voice 14: So, and it certainly wouldn't be pushed through today

[1:02:33] Voice 14: because this is just, this is the process.

[1:02:34] Voice 14: So we'd be following process.

[1:02:36] Voice 14: Deferring would be the extraordinary move.

[1:02:38] Voice 14: So, Tana

[1:02:39] Voice 17: Scott, do you

[1:02:39] Voice 14: have any further commentary?

[1:02:40] Voice 14: uh

[1:02:41] Voice 17: again i think i mean to me it's what i understand uh having more time to

[1:02:50] Voice 17: express your concerns already perhaps having learned what you learned today and this

[1:02:55] Voice 17: process is a little bit flawed in that you have this agenda deadline and you have information

[1:03:01] Voice 17: that comes in after the agenda so it's not uncommon that you're left in this point where

[1:03:08] Voice 17: outstanding questions or concerns that were maybe not foreseen at the start i would

[1:03:13] Voice 17: from a land use perspective what they're trying to do is convert a farm building into an accessory

[1:03:20] Voice 17: building that's shown in the plans i don't really understand what you need to understand

[1:03:24] Voice 17: conclusions around concerns

[1:03:31] Voice 12: so

[1:03:34] Trustee Morrison: i have a suggestion so so it doesn't seem like trustee campbell and i have any

[1:03:42] Trustee Morrison: concerns ourselves necessarily on the building right it's the process so um and the process

[1:03:52] Trustee Morrison: doesn't necessarily need to take from here until the may meeting right sorry again what was it may

[1:03:58] Trustee Morrison: was it may 30th yeah yes

[1:04:02] Voice 18: so

[1:04:02] Trustee Morrison: like this seems like something that we could do in a resolution

[1:04:07] Trustee Morrison: resolution without meeting if we resolve the process issue and so i'm just going to suggest

[1:04:13] Trustee Morrison: that as an option that and what the process move i think would be is either myself and or trustee

[1:04:20] Trustee Morrison: campbell we can't be there at the same time but maybe one or the other of us take the lead on

[1:04:25] Trustee Morrison: this and like just have some conversations on the site with community like in the next week or two

[1:04:30] Trustee Morrison: and resolve any questions that folks are concerned about and then if those questions seem resolved we

[1:04:36] Trustee Morrison: can propose a resolution without meeting on the application then we don't have to necessarily

[1:04:41] Trustee Morrison: have the applicant hold up until may 30th thoughts on that yeah

[1:04:46] Voice 14: i just let that process work uh i

[1:04:50] Voice 17: I think that really with an RWM,

[1:04:52] Voice 17: you're not really supposed to have any discussion

[1:04:54] Voice 17: outside of the public meeting around what your thoughts are.

[1:04:58] Voice 17: You do potentially consider an item of business

[1:05:01] Voice 17: where you might schedule an electronic meeting

[1:05:04] Voice 17: to consider that, you could consider that,

[1:05:08] Voice 17: you could consider deferring to May 30th

[1:05:10] Voice 17: and requesting that planner Belcher

[1:05:18] Voice 17: bring any additional feedback

[1:05:20] Voice 17: from concerned residents to the next meeting

[1:05:25] Voice 17: and keep it that more fulsome package if you want.

[1:05:32] Voice 17: That's the information I ask.

[1:05:35] Voice 17: I don't think my RWM would be the best approach

[1:05:37] Voice 17: given you could have no more discussion

[1:05:42] Voice 17: or consideration online back and forth.

[1:05:47] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, we would not necessarily have discussion

[1:05:49] Trustee Morrison: back and forth, Trustee Campbell and I.

[1:05:52] Trustee Morrison: so so then what i'm hearing you say brad is that it's better to do an electronic meeting just to

[1:05:58] Trustee Morrison: consider this application which could be like a half an hour kind of i know there's a bunch of

[1:06:03] Trustee Morrison: paperwork involved in that and i'm a loathe to do that for that reason but i guess my concern is

[1:06:08] Trustee Morrison: i really appreciate that the applicants have taken the time to do an a thoughtful application

[1:06:13] Trustee Morrison: they've followed all the rules they've done everything that they were supposed to do

[1:06:17] Trustee Morrison: it's our process that's somewhat flawed in terms of how it gives time or not enough time for the

[1:06:22] Trustee Morrison: community to like consider things and so I feel like there needs to be we need to meet people

[1:06:27] Trustee Morrison: halfway on this issue because I I'm a little concerned that we push it off for two months

[1:06:33] Trustee Morrison: and that's two months of like time when it's you know I I just I I feel for that because they are

[1:06:39] Trustee Morrison: following the rules and I want to encourage people to follow the rules so thoughts for you

[1:06:51] Voice 14: trustee camp well

[1:06:55] Voice 15: i'm i guess i'm stuck on what the what the actual option is so it could help

[1:07:01] Voice 17: so your options are today to make a decision on the request that's in front of you

[1:07:07] Voice 17: to request additional information if you're requesting additional information

[1:07:11] Voice 17: you should clarify what that information is that you're asking

[1:07:18] Voice 17: you could defer uh and agree and do it by rwm which i would caution just because then you're

[1:07:26] Voice 17: giving the truth no further outlet to have any understanding of how that decision was reached

[1:07:34] Voice 17: or you could uh schedule it on your main meeting or you could schedule a special meeting to

[1:07:41] Voice 17: consider that could be done electronically and if that was the case that i would recommend

[1:07:48] Voice 17: consider the development permit application that you're going to consider in new business at the

[1:07:56] Voice 17: same time sometime okay

[1:07:59] Trustee Morrison: i like the last option that's i like the last option and then i think

[1:08:04] Trustee Morrison: we can do like coin toss or whatever and aaron you or i can just take the lead on the application

[1:08:10] Trustee Morrison: to just have a conversation a little bit more with community i or one of we can both do it

[1:08:14] Trustee Morrison: at different times whatever um but like sometime in the next you know like end of april kind of

[1:08:22] Trustee Morrison: time frame so that it's at least a month earlier then

[1:08:25] Voice 15: yeah i can i can do it i'm happy to get

[1:08:32] Voice 15: is that so

[1:08:33] Voice 14: kind of just what's the notification period we

[1:08:36] Voice 17: would need to figure that out and make

[1:08:39] Voice 17: sure your meeting is a couple weeks i

[1:08:43] Voice 14: think we would need to so at the end of this meeting

[1:08:46] Voice 14: would we do a motion to schedule a meeting arbitrarily say april

[1:08:51] Voice 17: 28th yeah i think what

[1:08:52] Voice 17: you could do is just pass a motion directing staff to schedule a special meeting electronically

[1:08:58] Voice 17: for this application you don't need to specify the date we can figure that out with staff and

[1:09:04] Voice 17: the ltc behind the scenes and then you

[1:09:07] Voice 14: can do that

[1:09:07] Voice 17: same thing uh later on if you want to with

[1:09:11] Voice 17: your new business title okay

[1:09:14] Voice 14: so what's

[1:09:15] Voice 17: the motion that you later to have uh if that's what you want

[1:09:20] Voice 17: to do then that the north pender local dress committee uh direct staff to schedule a special

[1:09:27] Voice 17: meeting for consideration of NP PLD or whatever the number is NP PLD VP 2024

[1:09:41] Voice 17: zero three five zero I

[1:09:45] Trustee Morrison: move that okay

[1:09:47] Voice 14: so we'll just catch up with Lisa did you

[1:09:52] Voice 14: get that motion but

[1:09:55] Voice 10: I have that okay

[1:09:57] Voice 14: so I think that's little so if the numbers

[1:10:11] Voice 14: So it's been moved by Trustee Morrison, seconded by Trustee Campbell.

[1:10:18] Voice 14: So just so the outcomes are clear and the neighbors, the intent is to have a special

[1:10:24] Voice 14: electronic meeting at the end of this month to consider this.

[1:10:28] Voice 18: So

[1:10:28] Voice 14: just deferring but for a small amount of time just to collect a little bit more information.

[1:10:34] Voice 14: so applicants are okay with that neighbors are okay with that okay

[1:10:39] Trustee Morrison: so and i would just clarify

[1:10:41] Trustee Morrison: david like by the end of this month if possible it can be a little bit earlier depending on when

[1:10:46] Trustee Morrison: aaron thinks he can coordinate with folks and i'm happy to come over to him yeah

[1:10:50] Voice 14: and of course we

[1:10:50] Voice 14: have the notification requirements and all that too so right right

[1:10:53] Voice 14: we'll leave it to staff to

[1:10:54] Voice 14: figure out the timing okay

[1:10:55] Voice 18: with

[1:10:56] Voice 14: that we'll call the question all in favor that carries so slight

[1:11:01] Voice 14: pause hopefully a positive one so it

[1:11:05] Voice 4: doesn't matter

[1:11:08] Voice 7: thank you very much

[1:11:09] Voice 14: for your time all right

[1:11:12] Voice 7: a point of order um they just like to maybe it's something i don't understand but um

[1:11:20] Voice 7: the agenda states that uh town hall questions are at 10 25. i came in at 10 20. and

[1:11:30] Voice 7: And we were already way ahead.

[1:11:35] Voice 14: That's because we go Zoom.

[1:11:36] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:11:37] Voice 7: So given that you came

[1:11:39] Voice 7: here and other people came to speak

[1:11:42] Voice 7: as well, yeah, we're taken by surprise.

[1:11:46] Voice 7: And it would go a long way for community education

[1:11:50] Voice 7: and communication to give us a chance

[1:11:53] Voice 7: to speak at the time that you say you're going to.

[1:11:56] Voice 14: Yeah, as it says at the beginning of the agenda,

[1:11:58] Voice 14: the timing is subject to change.

[1:12:02] Voice 7: Is

[1:12:03] Voice 14: there something specific on my agenda?

[1:12:04] Voice 14: Well, normally since we didn't talk to you yet, uh,

[1:12:07] Voice 14: no, this one does okay. Normally the top of the agenda is it says that the times were

[1:12:13] Voice 14: approximate blah blah blah um but anyhow so given that do you have some something

[1:12:20] Voice 14: you

[1:12:20] Voice 6: might have something to say this is some moment well

[1:12:25] Voice 14: it's not i'm going to get the

[1:12:27] Voice 14: lemonade just to give a couple of minutes to those who came in late if you have something

[1:12:32] Voice 14: to address for town hall so okay go ahead right thank

[1:12:37] Voice 7: you for this opportunity i also want to say

[1:12:40] Voice 7: that i have really appreciate the um the care that is being given to this application and the

[1:12:48] Voice 7: fact that you're giving the community more time to respond um gregory and i have reached the end

[1:12:55] Voice 7: of our term to serve on the APC and we just wanted to thank the wonderful group we've worked with.

[1:13:02] Voice 7: The document that is being submitted is really the work of Peter and Lisa. We want to note the

[1:13:09] Voice 7: support that we received from Carly Bilney for excellent note-taking and Brad Smith.

[1:13:14] Voice 7: He has been very informative and I want to highlight the importance of such a knowledgeable

[1:13:21] Voice 7: staff member his report and recommendation for 1601 razor point road was not heeded

[1:13:28] Voice 7: this led to the egregious decision that granted a variance trustees really need to listen more

[1:13:36] Voice 7: carefully to the recommendations of this plan rather than encouraging massive homes we need

[1:13:42] Voice 7: more supply but it has been it has to be carefully planned to benefit residents not billionaires

[1:13:50] Voice 7: speculators and investors it's time to do something not for the wealthy but to remedy

[1:13:56] Voice 7: this terrible disparity we are living north pender is moving toward an enclave for the wealthy

[1:14:04] Voice 7: the provincial speculation tax needs to be on to apply to north pender island your mandate

[1:14:12] Voice 7: is to preserve and protect the natural environment first and foremost the trust was intended to be

[1:14:19] Voice 7: solely a land use planning body, not a conventional form of local government.

[1:14:26] Voice 7: Unlike a municipality or regional district, the trust has a unique and overriding responsibility

[1:14:33] Voice 7: to protect the natural environmental and natural character of the trust area.

[1:14:38] Voice 7: However, the environmental protection focus of the trust is being seriously eroded during these

[1:14:44] Voice 7: times of escalating development pressures and the climate crisis. Increasingly, the trust

[1:14:50] Voice 7: is instead behaving as if it was an ordinary local government. Developments need to be approved with

[1:14:59] Voice 7: assessments of environmental impacts. Precautionary principle and the cumulative impact assessments

[1:15:06] Voice 7: need to be applied in decision making. The Act specified purpose for the benefit of all BC

[1:15:13] Voice 7: your APC residence is not given enough consideration.

[1:15:17] Voice 7: Your term is half past,

[1:15:20] Voice 7: it's, your term is past its halfway point.

[1:15:25] Voice 7: We hope that you change your focus back to the mandate.

[1:15:30] Voice 7: And although I'm not any longer on the APC,

[1:15:34] Voice 7: Gregory and I both want to support you

[1:15:36] Voice 7: in fulfilling the mandate.

[1:15:38] Voice 7: Thank you for this opportunity.

[1:15:39] Voice 7: Thank

[1:15:40] Voice 14: you very much. Thank you for all your contribution to the APC because it's been very impressive what's come out of that committee. So thank you.

[1:15:49] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, thank you both for your service on the APC and for your continued concern on our community.

[1:15:56] Voice 14: Great. With that, we will proceed to the next applicant, which is PLDP 2025.

[1:16:05] Trustee Morrison: Chair,

[1:16:06] Voice 14: could we

[1:16:07] Trustee Morrison: take a five minute break?

[1:16:09] Trustee Morrison: So before we start the next one,

[1:16:11] Voice 14: all right. So we'll take a final break. We'll come back at 1120. Thank you.

[1:16:16] Voice 14: Okay. Thank you.

[1:16:20] Voice 18: Are we back yet? All right. We will reconvene

[1:22:56] Voice 14: to page 64 of the agenda. We have PLDP 25-0033 lands down.

[1:23:10] Voice 17: So this is our application for the construction of a dwelling within, at the moment, Herbaceous

[1:23:20] Voice 17: Ecosystems, subject property at 6915 Pirates Road.

[1:23:25] Voice 17: See the proposed setting of the house on page 65 of your agenda package to be sited a raised

[1:23:35] Voice 17: bluff of bedrock in the herbaceous ecosystem.

[1:23:39] Voice 17: system. They've also already built a stairwell which is shown on page 66 of your package and

[1:23:46] Voice 17: removed a large tree and cleared quite a bit of area away to install their utilities up to their

[1:23:56] Voice 17: proposed house site and all of this work has already been done in the development permanent

[1:24:03] Voice 17: area without the permit. Now they are seeking to also get approval to build their house

[1:24:12] Voice 17: on the bedrock bluff. We have a QEP assessment report with an assessment of the impacts of

[1:24:24] Voice 17: the development and an addendum report that provides further information on the stairway

[1:24:31] Voice 17: construction and utilities corner

[1:24:38] Voice 17: that was not adequately covered in the first report.

[1:24:42] Voice 17: There's an attached permit and a checklist.

[1:24:45] Voice 17: I'll pass it back to you. It's a

[1:24:54] Voice 17: complex

[1:24:57] Voice 17: permit. There are a lot of conditions there following the

[1:25:01] Voice 17: recommendations of the contractor, both

[1:25:04] Voice 17: for restoration and mitigation of the proposed development

[1:25:08] Voice 17: element and as well as the work that has already been done rather than go through all that i think

[1:25:18] Voice 17: i'll pass it back to you chair and go for the next

[1:25:22] Voice 18: trustees questions

[1:25:35] Voice 15: spoke

[1:25:35] Voice 18: to brad a little bit earlier

[1:25:37] Voice 15: about this and i don't understand stop stuff like this from

[1:25:47] Voice 15: happening. Retroactively, by the letter of the law, we don't have the ability to deny an application

[1:26:15] Voice 15: based on things that have already happened. You have to look at the application in its own merit

[1:26:24] Voice 15: for what it's looking to do. But when you've already damaged a development permit area,

[1:26:39] Voice 15: yet it doesn't show very good faith that the rest of the development is getting done sort of with

[1:26:49] Voice 15: any sort of concern for the environment uh somehow we have to figure out how to stop development

[1:27:01] Voice 15: started before things are applied for i don't know this yeah it's maybe not as much damage as

[1:27:14] Voice 15: what we saw with 4815 schooner in the acreage of it but it's no less concerning that we have

[1:27:28] Voice 15: development permit areas and we don't seem to be getting any consultation on how a development is

[1:27:39] Voice 15: going to get is going to move forward before things start and also that the trades that are

[1:27:47] Voice 15: providing the work on the island don't seem to be concerned about whether they build right through

[1:27:57] Voice 15: the development permit area so i don't

[1:28:01] Voice 18: really know what to say about this question so

[1:28:09] Trustee Morrison: was this

[1:28:12] Trustee Morrison: the property that had or is it the property adjacent to the nesting tree there's a designated

[1:28:21] Trustee Morrison: needed a nesting tree up on this ridge and i thought it was this property or the next property

[1:28:25] Trustee Morrison: do you know grant did it show on any of the databases anywhere

[1:28:31] Voice 17: the property itself is not in uh it's the the area the zone is just adjacent to the lot to the right

[1:28:43] Trustee Morrison: okay okay because i remember um yeah i i've been up in this area and looked at various properties

[1:28:51] Trustee Morrison: across there and one of them was like for sale at some point and had a very difficult building

[1:28:58] Trustee Morrison: window because of a nesting tree and I was like oh this is interesting what's going to happen here

[1:29:06] Trustee Morrison: um yeah this is I don't know like the eighth or ninth time I've had to deal with a permit like

[1:29:13] Trustee Morrison: this and it makes me furious every time so I don't know whether to just like approve it and like

[1:29:21] Trustee Morrison: trust because i do actually brad trust that you've done what you can do within the letter of the law

[1:29:26] Trustee Morrison: like on getting this the way it needs to be but aaron this is the issue that we have to deal with

[1:29:33] Trustee Morrison: in the governance front frankly and like at the provincial level of like what development permit

[1:29:39] Trustee Morrison: teeth that are there or not right this is it like so we need like basically a list of permits like

[1:29:46] Trustee Morrison: So we've had to pass. So we have cases like here it is. Here's the argument. Right. So I don't really even want to spend that much time like on this permit because it's super frustrating. I feel like.

[1:30:00] Trustee Morrison: it's it is what it needs to be to be retroactive in nature you know damage has been done already

[1:30:08] Trustee Morrison: and we're gonna repair it the best we can at this point i agree with what's in here for the

[1:30:15] Trustee Morrison: the reparation like move um so i don't know any other thoughts i just i'm like i get furious

[1:30:24] Trustee Morrison: about these because I don't it's frustrating so

[1:30:29] Voice 17: one option you could do is to apply a security

[1:30:33] Voice 17: deposit as you did in your way and the restoration in this case is far less as it's less machine

[1:30:41] Voice 17: work driven or it's restoration driven I think you could estimate five thousand dollars or

[1:30:48] Voice 17: something like that would be a reasonable security or you could uh again see that

[1:30:55] Voice 17: the applicant provide a estimate of restoration and the supply of security uh if that is something

[1:31:03] Voice 17: that you understand about it in terms of their overall willingness to comply i think the

[1:31:09] Voice 17: applicants here as well in the room so you want to speak to that or something the outcomes yeah

[1:31:15] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:31:16] Voice 16: I would like to speak to what Eric was just saying about the trains.

[1:31:25] Voice 16: So just one point, the staircase is right on the edge of the DP, and it's not permanent.

[1:31:34] Voice 16: It was built as simply a temporary thing, and the actual portion that does land into the DP is just sitting on the rock.

[1:31:45] Voice 16: so the damage was intended to minimize the damage.

[1:31:49] Voice 16: And I asked the inspector before building it, and he told me what I was allowed to do.

[1:31:55] Voice 16: The tree that was removed was done without, it was actually, the whole house was designed to avoid damaging that tree,

[1:32:03] Voice 16: and should build a rocket to avoid that tree, but the third party that was doing excavation work took it out without authorization.

[1:32:12] Voice 16: And the service trench, yes, oops, that was sort of an exploratory rally with the machine.

[1:32:20] Voice 16: Again, I wasn't around to authorize it or not, it was just sort of, it was done.

[1:32:26] Voice 16: And I completely understand, and the owner is fully sympathetic to the original nature

[1:32:40] Voice 16: trimming of that lot and when we designed the house and located it there was one tree

[1:32:46] Voice 16: one small fir tree that has to be removed it's right smack down in the middle

[1:32:49] Voice 16: and even the stuff outside the DP where the driveway and the work that's been done is again

[1:32:59] Voice 16: much more destruction than we had originally intended and planned but the contractor knew

[1:33:07] Voice 16: better and oops that tree fell down and we're not at all pleased with the result but when

[1:33:17] Voice 16: you got someone operating a 10-ton machine and they know better and again unfortunately

[1:33:23] Voice 16: I myself I mean last time we decided I wasn't on site when this work was happening and the

[1:33:27] Voice 16: The owner is relatively green and trusted the professional to do his job properly, and

[1:33:38] Voice 16: he says the tree's in the way and has to come down and lead access, but he trusted him.

[1:33:42] Voice 16: So there's a lot of regrettable work that was done that goes completely against what

[1:33:50] Voice 16: the intent originally was, and the world's very good intentions, but the remediation

[1:33:57] Voice 16: work we find is very interesting in trying to get it back to as natural as it was and that is

[1:34:05] Voice 16: the smallest impact that we can on the site and try and preserve the reason they bought it in the

[1:34:14] Voice 16: first place which is it's absolutely stunning beautiful spot yeah

[1:34:17] Voice 17: and i would just add to that

[1:34:20] Voice 17: to visiting the site that selection of the actual building location does minimize impacts to their

[1:34:27] Voice 17: you should see this is snow yeah it's a pretty barren

[1:34:30] Voice 17: rock really uh with uh invasive species

[1:34:34] Voice 17: and the tree and the and the house footprints they will need

[1:34:40] Voice 17: to come back for a permit for stairs

[1:34:42] Voice 17: or any other development in there in that area to access the house so they are aware

[1:34:48] Voice 15: of that as well

[1:34:48] Voice 15: Dan would like to quietly inject to a baron.

[1:34:51] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:34:54] Voice 15: It seems relative to the store.

[1:35:00] Voice 17: Do

[1:35:00] Voice 13: you have some more to add?

[1:35:02] Voice 17: Yeah, I'm a new owner, and I am a new defender, and I'm new to all of these restrictions,

[1:35:09] Voice 17: and I kind of trusted the locals that I thought knew what they were allowed to do.

[1:35:17] Voice 17: the utilities trench would have to be done regardless if the permit is granted it's going

[1:35:25] Voice 17: to be it would have to be the way it's done so it's not like it was unnecessary but as far as

[1:35:32] Voice 17: remediation goes i'm my plan is to build to plant far more trees than that is being recommended

[1:35:40] Voice 17: And I want to make, you know, the whole reason I bought the loft is for the trees and the natural, and I plan to landscape it with, you know, the native species and follow proper instructions.

[1:35:57] Voice 17: I really, you know, I was too, I let the person I hired go

[1:36:04] Voice 15: ahead with my building.

[1:36:05] Voice 15: And believing that was why I said.

[1:36:09] Voice 15: said yeah what i said about about the the trades that operate on the island while they don't

[1:36:19] Voice 15: really have any sort of duty you would really hope that people would tell you what it is that

[1:36:32] Voice 15: we have here and why why we have those and unfortunately it happens and and really

[1:36:38] Voice 15: unfortunately is that they there is no consequences to that really at the end of the day and it falls

[1:36:43] Voice 15: on the landowner being the person that sort of bears the brunt of our angst or community angst

[1:36:53] Voice 15: or whatever it is right so please understand that like i get totally get it um it's just yeah it's

[1:37:03] Voice 15: a well it's one of those typical things is

[1:37:07] Voice 14: in the hands of something with the boulders or an

[1:37:09] Voice 14: excavator. It's complicated. My own personal situation, I put a septic field in my place,

[1:37:16] Voice 14: three trees were supposed to come out. By the time I was finished, it was 42.

[1:37:22] Voice 14: And literally every time I would go down to the coffee shop and come back, there'd be three more

[1:37:27] Voice 14: trees down. And I would lose them. Or when that's all going to happen, I go to the hardware store,

[1:37:32] Voice 14: two more trees would be done. Unfortunately, some of these guys are cowboys.

[1:37:37] Voice 14: We tried to hire someone else who had a great reputation for being careful and he retired.

[1:37:46] Voice 14: I personally can sympathize with this situation because you know as a landowner you can only

[1:37:51] Voice 14: do what you can do and a large piece of hydraulic equipment can do an awful lot of damage in

[1:37:57] Voice 14: a very short period of time and you bear the costs.

[1:38:00] Voice 14: costs. Like for me, my remediation costs were the tens of thousands of dollars and the contract

[1:38:07] Voice 14: took no responsibility. And you are, of course, you're going through a circumstance now that's

[1:38:13] Voice 14: going to cost you a great amount of money. I wish there was the ability for us to find

[1:38:19] Voice 14: the person that did the work, because you need to be responsible for your actions. That's

[1:38:25] Voice 14: not how it works, unfortunately. A landowner bears responsibility, and I have every sympathy

[1:38:30] Voice 14: a fee for you well we'll see trustee morris do you have anything more to add yeah

[1:38:34] Trustee Morrison: one more thing

[1:38:35] Trustee Morrison: so um just just be aware as a landowner that um there is actually apparently some legal status

[1:38:44] Trustee Morrison: you have with contractors in civil court um so just know that um and so i don't know that i feel

[1:38:54] Trustee Morrison: the need and and thanks i i think that was heath lansdowne who was talking earlier right

[1:38:59] Trustee Morrison: right?

[1:39:00] Voice 2: Yes. Yeah.

[1:39:00] Trustee Morrison: So it's funny, Heath, because I saw your name on this application. And Dan's,

[1:39:04] Trustee Morrison: I was like, well, I trust the work in here. So like, you know, I trust that you are actually

[1:39:11] Trustee Morrison: thinking like carefully about that work. So I was, you know, yeah, so I get it. And I understand

[1:39:16] Trustee Morrison: what's happened here. I don't think in this case, I feel the need to do the deposit, Brad,

[1:39:24] Trustee Morrison: like you're suggesting, although thank you for that, like suggestion, because it had occurred

[1:39:28] Trustee Morrison: heard to me too um i don't quite feel the need here because of um who's involved in the

[1:39:34] Trustee Morrison: recommendations the way they're framed i just felt confident that they're going to get done

[1:39:38] Trustee Morrison: so i think we can go ahead and improve this and just like share your learning with everyone you

[1:39:45] Trustee Morrison: know who's moving to the island that they should ask first and be very very careful about folks

[1:39:50] Trustee Morrison: working on their land i

[1:39:52] Voice 17: know better now yeah

[1:39:54] Trustee Morrison: welcome to pender by the way

[1:39:57] Trustee Morrison: we went

[1:39:58] Voice 16: away from lynch came back yeah

[1:40:00] Trustee Morrison: yeah it's a thing like often you have to like be

[1:40:04] Trustee Morrison: really explicit a big bow save me like don't cut me um okay i'm good to make a motion if you're good

[1:40:14] Trustee Morrison: aaron

[1:40:14] Voice 18: all right yeah okay i'm

[1:40:17] Trustee Morrison: just trying to locate it what pager there's a lot of pages

[1:40:22] Trustee Morrison: You got it? Go ahead if you got it.

[1:40:24] Voice 15: The North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approved issuance of development permit MPPLDP20250033 last time.

[1:40:35] Voice 15: Any further discussion?

[1:40:38] Trustee Morrison: Nope. Thanks for all the work on the application. I think it looks great.

[1:40:42] Trustee Morrison: Apart from the fact it's retroactive, it looks good application.

[1:40:45] Voice 14: Okay, call the question all in favor? That carries. Thank you very much.

[1:40:54] Voice 15: i don't know if it'd be the right time to talk about it but um on the top that's done on the

[1:41:02] Voice 15: topic of uh deposits or like with the idea of when we have something like this come forward

[1:41:11] Voice 15: and there is a concern about folks remediating the work could we put something in the language

[1:41:22] Voice 15: of our bylaws or our permitting where there was a fairly substantial hefty deposit required

[1:41:33] Voice 15: should someone go basically do go through the process this way like could we state it before

[1:41:42] Voice 15: people even come to apply yeah if

[1:41:48] Voice 15: you don't apply if you're applying retroactively there's like a

[1:41:52] Voice 15: hundred thousand dollar deposit required for remediation work so i guess is that a and so

[1:42:01] Voice 15: because honestly i know like five thousand dollars in

[1:42:05] Voice 18: the grand

[1:42:06] Voice 15: scheme of building a house

[1:42:08] Voice 15: and going through the process and what people are paying for their land these days five grand is

[1:42:15] Voice 15: your money kind of a thing right it's a lot of money but but it's it's also not really enough

[1:42:22] Voice 15: enough to make people stop and consider like and then and then if you have a an Avenue in

[1:42:32] Voice 15: civil court and you get hit with this hundred thousand dollar uh uh positive requirement then

[1:42:39] Voice 15: maybe you are thinking about going back and putting some heat on your contractor who you

[1:42:46] know screwed it up like like I'm just well

[1:42:50] Voice 14: I can ask kind of stuff I don't think anybody's actually

[1:42:53] Voice 14: Actually, when we were doing these bylaws, one of the suggested lines was if your various

[1:43:03] Voice 14: application was the result of the bylaw enforcement action, there was a higher fee than a normal

[1:43:10] Voice 14: application.

[1:43:11] Voice 14: I don't know if anybody ever took that up.

[1:43:14] Voice 17: There is a higher fee applied, I believe, in cases where you're retroactively applying

[1:43:19] Voice 17: for the bylaw.

[1:43:20] Voice 17: would cover was 20 i think or something like that what i would say is you could forward load some

[1:43:26] Voice 17: kind of security requirement on an application because the security can only be tied to the

[1:43:31] Voice 17: amount of work that would be required to complete the restoration requirements for whatever development

[1:43:38] Voice 17: is to be so on screen away for example you had a detailed quote saying for this number of trees

[1:43:45] Voice 18: and

[1:43:45] Voice 17: this number, this amount of wood, this is the cost and that's how you apply your security deposit.

[1:43:51] Voice 17: In this case, the security deposit would be for like the planting of those 20-25 trees,

[1:43:57] Voice 17: the seeding of that boardwalk, so five or ten thousand dollars is probably around the most that

[1:44:02] Voice 17: you could at that circumstance. No

[1:44:04] Voice 15: and I like completely, I'm just thinking that the things

[1:44:10] Voice 15: that we're seeing happening even 10 grand is is not big in the in the type of numbers that people

[1:44:18] Voice 15: are paying out to do a development so that's

[1:44:23] Voice 16: what i've seen too is often that people whatever charge

[1:44:27] Voice 16: me whatever you want find me yeah in the scope of the money people are spending on properties

[1:44:32] Voice 16: and homes now even a 10 to 20 000 fine so what i've got with you now so if i think in the case

[1:44:38] Voice 16: of a DP, that it's almost like there should be, if you're applying for a DP, that there should

[1:44:50] Voice 16: almost be a bond put up, right? You're going into a sensitive ecosystem, there's going to be damage,

[1:44:56] Voice 16: there needs to be a bond in place right from the get-go that says you intend to either minimize

[1:45:03] Voice 16: damage or remediate as required

[1:45:05] Voice 16: have it as part of the process

[1:45:07] Voice 16: because I think

[1:45:08] Voice 16: in

[1:45:08] Voice 9: one of

[1:45:10] Voice 15: our

[1:45:11] Voice 15: conversations with

[1:45:13] Voice 15: Warren

[1:45:15] Voice 15: where we were talking about what

[1:45:18] Voice 15: it sort of costs to do a long form

[1:45:20] Voice 15: litigation

[1:45:21] Voice 18: like

[1:45:22] Voice 15: if we were wanting to

[1:45:26] Voice 15: fully go after

[1:45:27] Voice 15: somebody in a

[1:45:29] Voice 15: situation where there's

[1:45:31] Voice 15: been an egregious issue

[1:45:35] Voice 15: issue it's i thought he said it's basically you're putting aside 125 000 to go or to

[1:45:44] Voice 15: yeah so so you're like you're we're in order for us to try to protect these things

[1:45:51] Voice 15: it's become a lot of money and it makes you slightly gun shy on pulling the trigger

[1:45:58] Voice 15: about going after somebody when you know that it's it's a it's not in the budget to start with

[1:46:06] Voice 15: and trying for fiscal responsibility.

[1:46:11] Voice 15: And, I mean, both Deb and I have consistently voted

[1:46:15] Voice 15: against increases in the budget

[1:46:17] Voice 15: with the idea being that we want to see bang for your buck.

[1:46:22] Voice 15: And so that sort of is where I was going in my brain

[1:46:27] Voice 15: was if you could charge a deposit of a value

[1:46:33] Voice 15: that was consistent with what it's going to cost us

[1:46:37] Voice 15: to try to protect things, then maybe that does suck.

[1:46:43] Voice 15: So I'll

[1:46:43] Trustee Morrison: jump in here for one second.

[1:46:47] Trustee Morrison: So this is something that I've thought about a lot

[1:46:49] Trustee Morrison: since I saw the first permit like this.

[1:46:51] Trustee Morrison: And I totally understand the way the rules are right now.

[1:46:55] Trustee Morrison: I don't love them at all.

[1:46:57] Trustee Morrison: And so one of the things that happens in the fine situation

[1:47:01] Trustee Morrison: is that's a municipal power

[1:47:02] Trustee Morrison: and we don't have those municipal powers.

[1:47:05] Trustee Morrison: So the Local Government Act gives them to municipalities,

[1:47:07] Trustee Morrison: but not in our situation um and so it's something that has to be remedied at the provincial level

[1:47:14] Trustee Morrison: in either in the islands trust act to give us those additional powers or like in rethinking

[1:47:19] Trustee Morrison: how the trust is uh is sort of governed like and that and so that is part of like as we did the

[1:47:28] Trustee Morrison: governance review that is part of like the mix of things that we understand are problematic

[1:47:33] Trustee Morrison: problematic and this issue erin specifically around development permits ever since we had

[1:47:38] Trustee Morrison: the problem over on schooner road uh in particular because it's so egregious like what what we can do

[1:47:45] Trustee Morrison: here and i think we're not fully exhausted on all the sort of things up that pathway but um

[1:47:52] Trustee Morrison: one of the things that we could do is we could take that case and like other things that have

[1:47:57] Trustee Morrison: have happened across the island over time that are particularly problematic and argue like with

[1:48:04] Trustee Morrison: the province about it you know as an LTC we have authority to be able to as an LTC argue a problem

[1:48:11] Trustee Morrison: that we're seeing in our community it doesn't have to be a trust council thing at the provincial

[1:48:15] Trustee Morrison: level because we have an agency for our own local work which is something also I didn't really

[1:48:20] Trustee Morrison: realize that we have the ability to do that so it's something we should talk about a little bit

[1:48:25] Trustee Morrison: more deeply um and maybe schedule some time in the may meeting to have it or you know in the

[1:48:30] Trustee Morrison: community information meeting to like have a bit of a deeper conversation about that

[1:48:35] Voice 16: watch out for

[1:48:36] Voice 16: don't you guys like this all right thank you all right um moving forward we have um local custody

[1:48:45] project 17.1 page 144 housing

[1:48:49] Voice 14: access and affordability project i believe this is

[1:48:54] Voice 14: volume for what

[1:48:58] Voice 18: we're doing so

[1:49:01] Voice 17: staff report bringing you back a draft housing action plan

[1:49:07] Voice 17: consideration uh i think that's kind of initial endorsement of the proposed goals actions or

[1:49:15] Voice 17: objectives and actions uh it's based on five goals that are fairly consistent so with the layout of

[1:49:24] Voice 17: of the broader Islands Trust Housing Toolkit Action Plan.

[1:49:29] Voice 17: Under all those goals,

[1:49:31] Voice 17: there are associated objectives and actions

[1:49:33] Voice 17: that are shown in the summary table.

[1:49:37] Voice 17: For

[1:49:39] Voice 16: that, the general criteria package

[1:49:42] Voice 16: is really the meat of the Housing Action Plan,

[1:49:45] Voice 16: which leaves out the action, the

[1:49:46] Voice 17: timelines and comments.

[1:49:49] Voice 17: Staff are seeking any input or thoughts

[1:49:53] Voice 17: from the local trust committee today concerns about these actions uh and endorsement to then

[1:49:59] Voice 17: use this as a draft for further community engagement starting next week at your saturday

[1:50:06] Voice 17: april 12th special meeting and uh collecting any other feedback prior to your next meeting on may

[1:50:14] Voice 17: 30th where that may be seeking final adoption or endorsement of this plan and uh begin to initiate

[1:50:23] Voice 17: all of the actions with really the goal i think of the the plan to is intended to to

[1:50:29] Voice 17: at least uh deliver action on all of these items by the end of the future

[1:50:35] Voice 17: when this project would end and at that time you you or whatever the local trust committee looks

[1:50:43] Voice 17: like in the next term uh consider you can consider i don't know let's go back to the

[1:50:50] Voice 17: chair questions questions concerns um some members of our nbc here as well there's some

[1:50:57] Voice 17: new members that you might know if

[1:51:00] Voice 15: you know everyone no uh you don't know real no concerns

[1:51:07] Voice 15: um common being like this it's an absolute incredible piece of work that folks that

[1:51:16] Voice 15: were in it for the first year and sort of brought to the second year and the folks that are coming

[1:51:20] Voice 15: coming into it now is like, it's really kind of cool to see that people from the community

[1:51:29] Voice 15: are wanting to get involved in it. And so it's, yeah, we just, I couldn't put this together.

[1:51:40] Voice 15: You know, it's like really an impressive thing that's been done. And I'm very appreciative for

[1:51:45] Voice 15: it. Trustee Morrison?

[1:51:48] Trustee Morrison: I'm super grateful for this work. I do have a couple questions.

[1:51:53] Trustee Morrison: If we can. So I love actually how it's laid out to super helpful, just in terms of being able to like, not just have a giant list of recommendations, but have them like related to different goals. So thank you for that. Whoever had that organizational genius, it's super helpful.

[1:52:10] Trustee Morrison: helpful um so one quick question off the top um we had somebody who was in for the short-term

[1:52:20] Trustee Morrison: vacation um not short-term vacation sorry secondary suite and he was doing the project

[1:52:26] Trustee Morrison: i don't remember his name aaron do you remember who it was

[1:52:29] Voice 18: yeah so

[1:52:32] Trustee Morrison: i would love it to know like

[1:52:34] Trustee Morrison: Like under action item four, like when we talk about expanding opportunities to create secondary suites, how are we leveraging folks in our community who have already stepped through the processes, like to use the like grant programs and other things in place to like lift that?

[1:52:49] Trustee Morrison: That would be one question. And then two would be, can somebody tell me, like, what is the rationale for including six, like around RVs?

[1:53:01] Trustee Morrison: because i understand the cost effectiveness of rvs i worry deeply about the safety and security

[1:53:08] Trustee Morrison: of folks living in rvs because if we legalize them i feel liable for their safety and wellness

[1:53:14] Trustee Morrison: and i worry about that like with in relation to long-term living in a in a unit that may not be

[1:53:21] Trustee Morrison: rated for long-term living okay

[1:53:26] Voice 17: so your first question i don't completely understand i'm going

[1:53:32] Voice 17: to be honest uh with respect to the leveraging uh with your second question i think uh it is a

[1:53:45] Voice 17: question that ranked high in your survey in terms of what your community wants you to consider

[1:53:51] Voice 17: you do have people living in rvs in your community right now it's the reality and you do have a

[1:53:57] Voice 17: standing resolution that more or less uh permits that by not uh by not seeking by law enforcement

[1:54:05] Voice 17: that pathway to legalizing those structures is probably not existent in terms of bc building

[1:54:23] Voice 17: code or some other kind of standard unlike the work the trustees or the trust is doing around

[1:54:31] Voice 17: tiny homes on wheels where you're actually looking at structures that are pre-fabricated with a certification and

[1:54:40] Voice 17: but those aren't addressing the

[1:54:43] Voice 17: the dire, you know, to do that you need $200,000 probably minimum to get into one of those structures and to have it strapped to the ground properly

[1:54:51] Voice 17: to get approval.

[1:54:53] Voice 17: So that's quite different than the conversation that's really happening in communities, which is people living in structures in the grassroot.

[1:54:59] Voice 17: Absolutely. This would maybe go to the Peter

[1:55:03] Voice 15: folks on the APC part of it. Was not part of the discussion with Chief Dine about having some mechanism for fire safety with RVs and stuff?

[1:55:16] Voice 15: because I think that that had been part of the conversation that I had been following was that

[1:55:22] Voice 15: yes we're looking at at this and there is sort of a question as to the health and safety aspect of

[1:55:30] Voice 15: it and I mean it happened on Galeano a few times in the last four years even where people have

[1:55:37] Voice 15: burned the trailer down because they put in a wood burning stove or something that wasn't wasn't

[1:55:42] Voice 15: safe but but that that mike maybe had a thought about how folks on the abc had a thought about

[1:55:51] Voice 15: how that could maybe be looked at or somehow enforced or something i don't know that that

[1:55:59] Voice 15: just was part of the conversation well i guess i could say something about that i mean as brad said

[1:56:04] Voice 17: people are already doing this and the trust is best resolution not to enforce regulation so we

[1:56:12] thought by at least addressing the issue of uh water and septic and since mike joined the

[1:56:21] commission uh fire safety inspection

[1:56:25] Voice 17: uh

[1:56:26] Voice 14: it's that community that sounds about

[1:56:28] Voice 14: but that peter are big

[1:56:32] Voice 17: issues about uh you know certifying it but could you not have those things

[1:56:38] Voice 17: on top of a motion that's already been passed to

[1:56:43] Voice 15: not enforce it it becomes the idea of like the

[1:56:48] Voice 15: short-term vacation rental idea where it was like if you license them and permit them you can

[1:56:54] Voice 15: hopefully try to control it better if like if you allow it and you allow it with these conditions

[1:57:01] Voice 15: hopefully that makes it better than sort of forcing people underground into a situation

[1:57:06] Voice 15: where they're doing it without the health and safety.

[1:57:10] Voice 14: I know on Main Island, but what our discussion has been around is with RVs, is doing the

[1:57:16] Voice 14: by TUP, making a very, very low application fee, but part of it is it has to be inspected.

[1:57:25] Voice 14: So with

[1:57:26] Voice 14: some of these things, for me, some of those are 20 years old, that would not

[1:57:30] Voice 14: pass the safety inspection, then we wouldn't issue the TUP.

[1:57:34] Voice 14: but the idea was it's basically put it in a box as regulatory so instead of making great big pie

[1:57:40] Voice 14: it would be like a $1,500 application fee for a three-year team fee but the subject is it has to

[1:57:46] Voice 14: be inspected and approved

[1:57:49] Trustee Morrison: see that to me

[1:57:50] Trustee Morrison: oh sorry sorry no

[1:57:52] Voice 14: no i'm handing over to you just for us

[1:57:54] Trustee Morrison: yeah see that to me seems like a pathway like a very narrow pathway we could go down and i just

[1:57:59] Trustee Morrison: don't want it because every time we've discussed this it brought up the same issue and that the

[1:58:04] Trustee Morrison: The standing resolution for me is not about saying RVs are okay.

[1:58:09] Trustee Morrison: That is not what the standing resolution is about.

[1:58:12] Trustee Morrison: The standing resolution is about they're there in the community already.

[1:58:17] Trustee Morrison: And until we sort out our housing problem, we need to make sure people have some stability.

[1:58:22] Trustee Morrison: That's what the standing resolution is about, right?

[1:58:26] Trustee Morrison: So like finding a way forward that maintains, and I'm glad to hear like fire is being thought

[1:58:32] Trustee Morrison: about water.

[1:58:33] Trustee Morrison: And that was Peter, right?

[1:58:34] Trustee Morrison: who was talking? Yeah.

[1:58:36] Trustee Morrison: So, and like, like water sewer, obviously those are great. Thank you very

[1:58:39] Trustee Morrison: much for that. The one I would add to the list that I would also want us to consider is issues

[1:58:44] Trustee Morrison: of mold and condensation. Um, because those, those, um, buildings in the winter are not

[1:58:50] Trustee Morrison: necessarily constructed in such a way that they minimize condensation and mold buildup. So that

[1:58:56] Trustee Morrison: would be, and so like to your point, David, like I actually would be for potentially like the TUP

[1:59:02] Trustee Morrison: move right um it's a little bit challenging for folks because it doesn't give the long-term

[1:59:07] Trustee Morrison: stability but if they have a set of criteria like we did with the you know short-term vacation

[1:59:12] Trustee Morrison: rentals that are like here's the criteria you have to meet every time and like if you meet that

[1:59:17] Trustee Morrison: you're good that that would be good i think and that would give us the inspection issue just around

[1:59:22] Trustee Morrison: safety again it's not meant to be this like heavy-handed regulation issue it's about making

[1:59:28] Trustee Morrison: making sure people don't burn in their bed or like die of like illness.

[1:59:31] Trustee Morrison: Right. So I just want to make sure we're not,

[1:59:34] Trustee Morrison: and we are like as a society sub housing people right now,

[1:59:38] Trustee Morrison: and we need to think about how we don't do that legally. Right.

[1:59:42] Trustee Morrison: So like,

[1:59:43] Trustee Morrison: I don't want to create a legal structure to like create health problems for

[1:59:47] Trustee Morrison: the poor. Right. So that's the goal. So this is really helpful.

[1:59:52] Trustee Morrison: Thank you for the conversation around this. The question on number four,

[1:59:55] Trustee Morrison: Brad was about it's a communication issue

[2:00:00] Trustee Morrison: community so how do we take examples from community that are already happening and work

[2:00:07] Trustee Morrison: with communication staff to help other people in the community understand the opportunities to

[2:00:13] Trustee Morrison: create secondary suites because from a like and this is my professional life

[2:00:18] Voice 5: but just one second

[2:00:20] Trustee Morrison: just one second so but this is like the professional aspect of my my brain is like people

[2:00:25] Trustee Morrison: People are going to accept it better if they see examples in community already happening

[2:00:29] Trustee Morrison: that they trust and can understand why to do it.

[2:00:33] Voice 17: So goal 15 of your plan speaks specifically to?

[2:00:41] Voice 17: Addison 15, goal four.

[2:00:44] Trustee Morrison: Yes, and like examples of like specific, not just templates, but like examples of who's

[2:00:52] Trustee Morrison: done it in community so they can like go and chat with them.

[2:00:55] Trustee Morrison: like a little like hey here's a little video by a dude who did it and this is you know go chat with

[2:01:00] Trustee Morrison: them and i don't know how to make that a thing in our communication strategy but it needs to be part

[2:01:07] Trustee Morrison: of it

[2:01:08] Voice 17: seems like it could be touched on when we get to 15 okay did you accomplish it uh

[2:01:14] Voice 11: again um

[2:01:15] Voice 11: just there's a little button from what i was talking about before i wasn't part of the group

[2:01:20] Voice 11: i'm jay gilbert i'm a new member and again congratulatory of the work that the first year

[2:01:26] Voice 12: did and

[2:01:26] Voice 11: i wasn't part of that and not um focus on that part it's more trustee morrison's comment

[2:01:34] Voice 11: about focus on safety and chief dine's comments i think the minutes the first part of the minutes

[2:01:40] Voice 11: are very strong in looking at those safety elements uh chief dine had a lot to do that

[2:01:44] Voice 11: i think the whole committee um had that focus and i think really my take on is this is the

[2:01:51] Voice 11: the implementation so look at the issue but it doesn't mean the issue is going to come to its

[2:01:56] Voice 11: full fruition and i think rvs are a good example where they're not governed by the building code

[2:02:01] Voice 11: they're governed by standards council for canada and have not meant for consecutive continuous use

[2:02:06] Voice 11: over a certain amount of time um there's really little even in a tup process that can legalize

[2:02:12] Voice 11: those within those standards council standards uh framework but it's an implementation question

[2:02:19] Voice 11: and I think the committee is really looking forward to turning this final to you but I

[2:02:23] Voice 11: just want to give assurance that the minutes reflect the depth of conversation around safety.

[2:02:29] Voice 18: Thank you.

[2:02:30] Voice 11: I thought we did a good job at that.

[2:02:33] Voice 18: Thank you very much. All right any other questions?

[2:02:39] Voice 18: Did anyone

[2:02:40] Voice 14: have

[2:02:45] Trustee Morrison: questions further down the list or comments?

[2:02:47] Trustee Morrison: doesn't

[2:02:49] Voice 14: seem so unless you do kirsty morrison i

[2:02:52] Trustee Morrison: just from um from planner smith's comments it

[2:02:57] Trustee Morrison: was like that we'll come to this when we get to 15 did we want to like talk about

[2:03:02] Trustee Morrison: if you

[2:03:04] Voice 17: endorse the plan when we are working on 15 we can explore what communication

[2:03:13] Voice 17: tools are the best perfect

[2:03:15] Trustee Morrison: yeah no that sounds good i just want to make sure we're doing whatever

[2:03:18] Trustee Morrison: we need to do at this moment, and then the next moment is good. We're getting pretty far through

[2:03:23] Trustee Morrison: this, it's good.

[2:03:25] Voice 18: Peter, can you just add something?

[2:03:30] Voice 15: I think, speak for the whole committee,

[2:03:35] Voice 17: a critical part of this whole thing is, well, one, which is two

[2:03:42] Voice 17: that we need to receive, which are to have the final suitable land analysis, which is

[2:03:50] Voice 17: a study of which part of the land could be the zone we need to be interested in.

[2:04:00] And the other one was an island-wide building analysis, which sounded as if all the presently

[2:04:10] only lands were built out to capacity like this and really i think we

[2:04:16] Voice 17: all agreed that those are

[2:04:17] Voice 17: you need those before we really do things and we just want to find out i didn't understand

[2:04:23] Voice 17: the build-out analysis something that the trust could commission and pay for i understand but

[2:04:30] it's still unclear to us when

[2:04:33] Voice 14: we're going to get access to the suitable land analysis

[2:04:43] Voice 17: understand so we've just hired our gis coordinator kendra who i think is assigned to that project so

[2:04:49] Voice 17: our internal resource that issue is addressed uh is my understanding that there are many trustees

[2:04:57] Voice 17: that want to see that work before it's presented publicly and so there will be a step being

[2:05:03] Voice 17: into bed through the ltc before uh that was public too so uh it's been i think the timelines of that

[2:05:15] Voice 17: work of completion summer rollout fall is probably still realistic well and then people and the

[2:05:24] Voice 17: builder can help something that we have more control over yeah

[2:05:28] Voice 18: the build up

[2:05:28] Voice 17: analysis is

[2:05:29] Voice 17: something that endorsed by the ltc we wouldn't use project

[2:05:33] Voice 17: funds probably to hire and contract

[2:05:42] Voice 12: So just to follow up on that, what's the timelines for doing that?

[2:05:49] Voice 17: Well, in May the plan would be endorsed, so that would be my work over the summer and

[2:05:54] Voice 17: in the fall I'll have to procure that contract period to have them complete that work.

[2:06:06] Voice 17: Hopefully dovetailing that is the suitable land analysis that's being worked on.

[2:06:14] Voice 17: at a broader regional planning level

[2:06:18] Voice 12: so we have both of those so you can talk that

[2:06:20] Voice 17: would be the

[2:06:21] Voice 17: present that information out and use that information to help

[2:06:28] Voice 17: with the further drafting and by tuning the big violence related to where it may be appropriate

[2:06:36] Voice 17: for example for accessory buildings based on that analysis or a higher density okay

[2:07:04] Voice 18: Yeah,

[2:07:06] Trustee Morrison: so I see that fall winter 2025 on here. That looks okay. All right, shall we?

[2:07:16] Voice 18: I

[2:07:17] Trustee Morrison: got it. Okay. So that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee endorses the proposed goals,

[2:07:24] Trustee Morrison: objectives, and actions of the attached draft housing action plan dated March 11, 2025 and

[2:07:31] Trustee Morrison: direct staff to proceed with further community consultation prior to final endorsement of the

[2:07:36] Trustee Morrison: plan.

[2:07:38] Voice 18: Thank you so

[2:07:40] Trustee Morrison: much for all this work. It looks really good to see it all together.

[2:07:47] Trustee Morrison: It

[2:07:48] Voice 14: looks outstanding. It really is. All right, so call the question all in favor.

[2:07:52] Voice 14: we're on our way thank you very much everybody for the contributions

[2:07:56] Voice 14: it is phenomenal all right um page 155 raptor desk development permit area review project

[2:08:08] Voice 14: update i understand speaking

[2:08:11] Voice 17: rambo to bring the local trust committee up to speed on where your

[2:08:15] Voice 17: Raptor-esque bylaw amendment project is at. So on the list on page 156, the number of things that

[2:08:25] Voice 17: have been done. We have completed the bylaw referrals for the draft bylaw. Continue to work

[2:08:31] Voice 17: with Dan and Dave Manning and property owners around fine tuning of the mapping. Dave are doing

[2:08:41] Voice 17: and more assessment and they will be bringing new mapping forward hopefully early next week so that

[2:08:46] Voice 17: we have that to present to a new community next saturday as part of your special meeting agenda

[2:08:52] Voice 17: the letter to property owners that you directed staff we're still waiting to get this updated

[2:08:57] Voice 17: mapping so that we can have a list of properties that are happening and we may engage

[2:09:05] Voice 17: It's Dan, depending on, well, there'll be like 300 letters or something.

[2:09:11] Voice 17: So we'll work with him in the next fiscal on that, get funding for that.

[2:09:19] Voice 17: I'll work on a presentation next week, which will more or less mirror

[2:09:23] Voice 17: what I presented already with the draft by-law,

[2:09:25] Voice 17: what we've learned through referrals and any mapping changes.

[2:09:31] Voice 17: And the next step would be to bring that back.

[2:09:35] Voice 17: Probably not in May, because I think you want to get that letter out there.

[2:09:38] Voice 17: keep property owners out of the summer even so your project may be a little delayed okay bringing

[2:09:45] Voice 17: you back in the fall would probably make the best sense after you give a property owner a good long

[2:09:50] Voice 17: period to digest that information great i think that's a

[2:09:54] Voice 18: consistent in

[2:09:56] Voice 15: with most of the things

[2:09:57] Voice 15: that we have done as people heard about this experience like people are wanting a bit more

[2:10:05] Voice 15: more time to consider or you know for communication and stuff like that so

[2:10:12] Voice 15: i don't think we want to rip through too quick in

[2:10:15] Voice 17: this case you do have meaningful

[2:10:17] Voice 17: change to the land base for some property so in terms of restricting okay no

[2:10:25] Voice 17: i'm

[2:10:26] Trustee Morrison: good with it

[2:10:27] Trustee Morrison: coming back in the meeting after the may meeting so i guess that would be all the way to the fall

[2:10:32] Trustee Morrison: right there was

[2:10:33] Voice 18: another one in june i think

[2:10:34] Voice 17: but i think even that's probably that's probably too

[2:10:37] Trustee Morrison: too tight yeah i

[2:10:38] Voice 17: think you you have since your minor project probably over the rest of your

[2:10:43] Voice 17: term so you still have quite a bit of horizon after this to get through readings and uh minister

[2:10:49] Voice 17: approval yeah

[2:10:53] Trustee Morrison: so that's the only concern that i have erin is just the timeline because i know

[2:10:58] Trustee Morrison: that there has been interest in us pursuing uh forest management bylaw related to like like

[2:11:05] Trustee Morrison: what galliano has done like getting into that conversation but that's like a whole another level

[2:11:10] Trustee Morrison: so i think it has to just because of the way projects and this is nothing against planners

[2:11:16] Trustee Morrison: this is just the way that project management goes in the trust because we can only have two projects

[2:11:21] Trustee Morrison: if we don't finish our minor project or a major project we can't take on the

[2:11:26] Trustee Morrison: forest management one which is a frustration so even

[2:11:30] Voice 17: where you're on your term and that much

[2:11:32] Voice 17: works it might be hard for us to see you getting through that discussion no i

[2:11:36] Voice 9: know probably better

[2:11:37] Voice 17: it's easy

[2:11:39] Trustee Morrison: to say that it's hard to live with that when we see things like schooner

[2:11:45] Trustee Morrison: okay so anything

[2:11:47] Voice 14: further on this nope

[2:11:48] Trustee Morrison: okay

[2:11:49] Voice 14: thank you planets with it you had an excellent report

[2:11:54] Voice 14: um we popped down to page 157 active produce report and 158 future projects

[2:12:02] Voice 14: anything there

[2:12:03] Voice 14: for anyone who wants to raise

[2:12:07] Voice 14: so

[2:12:08] Voice 14: they'll go with page 160

[2:12:10] Voice 14: applications report

[2:12:12] Voice 14: and peer information if you have any questions

[2:12:16] Trustee Morrison: what is happening

[2:12:18] Trustee Morrison: can we have

[2:12:19] Trustee Morrison: a verbal update on where we're at

[2:12:21] Trustee Morrison: with the Bingham

[2:12:23] Trustee Morrison: property

[2:12:26] Voice 18: he's still working

[2:12:27] Voice 18: on his terms of reference

[2:12:28] Voice 17: I don't see

[2:12:30] Voice 17: I'm in contact with him

[2:12:32] Voice 17: he's he's got a consultant for the biological report he has a consultant for the water

[2:12:41] Voice 17: management planning and he's working on a pump test for proof of water and

[2:12:50] Trustee Morrison: what about the gulf

[2:12:51] Trustee Morrison: excavating site where are we at on that one same

[2:12:54] Voice 17: thing he's got a plan to install his monitoring

[2:12:59] Voice 17: turning well uh as you know their family's gone through a lot and they're not always

[2:13:05] Voice 17: really communicative at the best of times so a little bit harder to draw things out

[2:13:10] Voice 17: is always really responsive but uh i continue to have a dialogue with them asking for something

[2:13:18] Voice 17: back for the main meeting but we'll see but what he really needs to develop a site plan

[2:13:26] Voice 17: He needs to dress septic for a bathroom, and he needs to have his monitoring wall installed

[2:13:33] Voice 17: as part of his temporary permit.

[2:13:36] Voice 9: Okay, that's helpful.

[2:13:38] Voice 9: Thank you for that.

[2:13:39] Voice 15: Is stuff like that, is it something that we as trustees can contact the person and say,

[2:13:47] Voice 15: hey,

[2:13:48] Voice 17: where's this at?

[2:13:49] Voice 17: Absolutely.

[2:13:50] Voice 17: Yeah.

[2:13:50] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:13:52] Voice 17: I think Braden's doing the best he can.

[2:14:04] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I've done that in the past. As long as you and I are both not talking to them at the

[2:14:07] Trustee Morrison: same time, Aaron, it's fine. But I've had conversations with each of them at different

[2:14:13] Trustee Morrison: times just to get more detail, understand what's going on there.

[2:14:20] Voice 14: Okay. Next up on page 164 of your information trustee local expense report.

[2:14:28] Voice 14: Of course 165 adopt policy set where solutions 169 island's trust conservancy report.

[2:14:40] Voice 14: Again for your information. So 17.1 new business and of course we have the other

[2:14:55] Voice 14: I

[2:14:57] Voice 17: don't think that's, it would be maybe Trustee Morrison to speak to if she's had any discussion

[2:15:06] Voice 17: with Joe and Hussain.

[2:15:09] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:15:09] Voice 17: I

[2:15:10] Trustee Morrison: have no updates right now.

[2:15:13] Trustee Morrison: Just keep it on the agenda though for me.

[2:15:16] Voice 14: That's why I was.

[2:15:17] Voice 14: All right.

[2:15:18] Voice 18: Yep.

[2:15:19] Voice 14: So we'll roll over to the next meeting.

[2:15:20] Voice 14: Okay. The second one that we added on was DP for Shoreline Restoration, 37149, Scooter Way.

[2:15:31] Voice 14: Did we want to add that to our meeting at the end of April that we proposed?

[2:15:42] Trustee Morrison: Sorry, I lost track of what you're saying.

[2:15:45] Trustee Morrison: okay

[2:15:45] Voice 14: so this is this um this last minute thing is a dp for shoreline restoration

[2:15:52] Voice 14: at three seven one four nine schooner away um it was emailed or received yesterday from planner

[2:15:59] Voice 14: smith and the suggestion once is that we might be able to add that um to our special meeting

[2:16:07] Voice 14: that we proposed earlier in the meeting so

[2:16:10] Voice 17: they're seeking uh faster approval than may 30th so that

[2:16:14] Voice 17: they can do the work outside of the fisheries closure window so that they won't need to seek

[2:16:21] Voice 17: exemption from the federal requirements. Using a barge to begin the restoration of the

[2:16:32] Voice 17: slumping property area. The restoration, there's no structures, it's all natural

[2:16:38] Voice 17: willow bottling and bolstering with rocks and logs so that's very much a green shores approach.

[2:16:44] Voice 17: and the quicker they can get started I guess the vetting so there's some options there in that email

[2:16:51] Voice 17: one suggestion is now that you're having a special meeting for your development variance permit

[2:16:56] Voice 17: application you could have this at the same time some time at the end of April and that would give

[2:17:01] Voice 17: them the month of

[2:17:02] Voice 17: May to do their in ocean work prior to the fisheries window so you would need

[2:17:13] Voice 14: an abortion

[2:17:13] Voice 17: yeah there's a resolution in the email that you direct staff to schedule a special

[2:17:20] Voice 17: meeting for application yeah

[2:17:24] Trustee Morrison: i think i would prefer to have this in the special meeting

[2:17:28] Trustee Morrison: with the other permit if possible i just i'm i'm not sure about that actually i don't know because

[2:17:34] Trustee Morrison: it's better in some ways if we have an in-person context for people to talk about any shoreline

[2:17:39] Trustee Morrison: thing i do understand the window issue it's just if it's been slumping how come they didn't put it

[2:17:46] Trustee Morrison: in earlier than this um i don't know

[2:17:49] Voice 17: let's say in this case given that the restoration is all

[2:17:53] Voice 17: just natural willow waddling of like the risk is very low versus someone wanting to do a brick

[2:17:59] Voice 17: rock wall yeah um

[2:18:01] Voice 17: so uh but that said it's obviously your choice to to to do what you

[2:18:08] Voice 17: on you can defer to may 30th would be another option then they would just need to figure out

[2:18:14] Voice 17: their their work plan around fisheries closure with those it's also an option but the thing is

[2:18:22] Voice 14: we're suggesting putting it to a full public meeting like it's right it's it's not like

[2:18:27] Voice 14: it's worth suggesting our wm correct so no no yeah

[2:18:30] Voice 14: so we certainly would have public ability to

[2:18:33] Voice 14: participate we now

[2:18:34] Voice 17: know that we will put a town hall that started that meeting as well yeah

[2:18:38] Voice 17: um

[2:18:40] Trustee Morrison: okay what do you want to do aaron any preference i

[2:18:46] Voice 15: unfortunately i didn't see that

[2:18:49] Voice 15: this until just now and when i look back at my emails it was layered under a response that i

[2:18:56] Voice 15: didn't realize there was a attachment to so i am um i

[2:19:06] Voice 18: think so yeah

[2:19:10] Voice 17: all you're doing is deciding

[2:19:11] Voice 17: whether you should consider it in that special meeting or not it doesn't mean that you didn't

[2:19:15] Voice 17: have to decide in that special meeting and make

[2:19:17] Voice 15: a decision so uh but we will have so and and so

[2:19:21] Voice 15: you're saying that at that special meeting we'll add a town hall at the beginning of that special

[2:19:25] Voice 15: meeting yeah to make sure that we get the variance permit and and that applications that

[2:19:31] Voice 17: you want to

[2:19:32] Voice 17: and if you are a bad time with the staff report and permit and still not satisfied or you need

[2:19:38] Voice 17: additional information about requirement you could then say okay well we're going to prefer to pay

[2:19:42] Voice 17: just let you know okay yeah yeah

[2:19:45] Trustee Morrison: so i think i'd rather go with the special meeting than the april

[2:19:47] Trustee Morrison: 12th meeting is what i'm saying and i think oh yeah even

[2:19:50] Trustee Morrison: though it's a virtual meeting which

[2:19:52] Trustee Morrison: is not as good necessarily people want to show up in person but it's a little bit longer time

[2:19:56] Trustee Morrison: like for

[2:19:57] Voice 15: people to get your meeting anyways i'm not

[2:19:59] Voice 15: the april meeting i wouldn't have time to do

[2:20:01] Voice 15: the report yeah

[2:20:01] Trustee Morrison: okay so let's yeah it's

[2:20:03] Voice 15: getting too messy when you add stuff on yeah

[2:20:05] Trustee Morrison: i agree

[2:20:07] Voice 15: people have left already but they actually want to be here for what's at the end of the meeting

[2:20:12] Voice 15: yeah

[2:20:13] Voice 9: yeah

[2:20:16] Voice 14: whatever so yeah no

[2:20:18] Trustee Morrison: yeah yeah

[2:20:19] Voice 14: i think okay

[2:20:21] Trustee Morrison: so what's the motion

[2:20:25] Voice 15: okay

[2:20:25] Trustee Morrison: i can dig that out i think i have it here

[2:20:28] Trustee Morrison: north

[2:20:28] Voice 15: bender island local trust committee direct staff to schedule a special meeting

[2:20:32] Voice 15: north bender island local trust committee direct staff to schedule a special meeting to be held

[2:20:36] Voice 15: electronically to consider development permit application elvp20250141

[2:20:45] Voice 15: seconded

[2:20:46] Trustee Morrison: before i second it we already passed a motion to request staff to schedule a special

[2:20:53] Trustee Morrison: meeting so is this still the motion we need it

[2:20:55] Voice 17: will be the same the same meeting okay

[2:20:58] Trustee Morrison: okay then i second it all right

[2:21:00] Voice 14: all right call the question all favored that parents all right

[2:21:06] Voice 14: that's excellent so we have a road forward um upcoming meetings we have a special uh community

[2:21:11] Voice 14: information meeting scheduled for april 12th that's next saturday the penitentiary community

[2:21:16] Voice 14: can i

[2:21:18] Trustee Morrison: pause there for a second um so avic is next weekend too which anyhow was not on my radar when

[2:21:26] Trustee Morrison: we scheduled that that meeting um so i really want to hear the conversation that is going to go on

[2:21:33] Trustee Morrison: around the housing space and as far as I can like what time were we scheduling that meeting I think

[2:21:40] Trustee Morrison: it was before let me just pull up my calendar hold on a second yeah so the the meeting is

[2:21:46] Trustee Morrison: scheduled before the commitment that I have at AVIC but AVIC's in Nanaimo and I can't be in two

[2:21:52] Trustee Morrison: places at once so are we having any ability to virtually come into the community information

[2:21:56] Trustee Morrison: meeting?

[2:21:58] Voice 14: We've done that before, have we not? I don't

[2:22:02] Trustee Morrison: think we've done that before.

[2:22:05] Voice 14: Yeah, well, they're all set up on a Zoom format. Okay.

[2:22:09] Voice 14: And I kind of recall we did, we had one,

[2:22:14] Voice 14: one or I think maybe Eric, you Zoomed in on one of them. Yeah.

[2:22:20] Trustee Morrison: Staff member Miller just

[2:22:21] Trustee Morrison: got her hand up here.

[2:22:23] Voice 14: Oh, staff. Hello, Lisa. What do you have to contribute?

[2:22:29] Voice 10: definitely the meeting is um intended to be live streamed um it's not set up for the public to

[2:22:36] Voice 10: attend uh virtually but we can certainly send trustee morrison a link to attend virtually

[2:22:42] Voice 10: uh with no problem at all okay that'd be perfect

[2:22:46] Trustee Morrison: because it's not a time conflict it's a locational

[2:22:49] Trustee Morrison: problem for me

[2:22:50] Voice 14: which is why i'm not going to abicc yeah

[2:22:54] Trustee Morrison: i know it's it's yeah it's just a

[2:22:57] Trustee Morrison: commitment from the climate group that is part of the trust so it is what it is

[2:23:02] Voice 14: okay so

[2:23:04] Voice 14: we will

[2:23:04] Voice 14: have you zooming into that meeting all right um that sounds good okay no problems excellent all

[2:23:13] Voice 14: right so that's thank

[2:23:14] Trustee Morrison: you lisa and our

[2:23:17] Voice 14: next regular meeting scheduled for may 30th um here

[2:23:20] Voice 14: here at the hall and we continue to stay and

[2:23:28] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[2:23:29] Voice 14: and

[2:23:30] Trustee Morrison: maybe can i just add one last thing

[2:23:32] Trustee Morrison: before we close

[2:23:33] Trustee Morrison: so i'm sorry i couldn't be there today i i know my i know most of you realize i

[2:23:39] Trustee Morrison: have ongoing family health issues um and today my my brother had to be in town and i had to cover

[2:23:46] Trustee Morrison: various obligations here for that so thank you for that sorry i couldn't be there in person

[2:23:52] Trustee Morrison: i was hoping to is

[2:23:53] Voice 14: that we all have um things outside of violence trust and we're and you know

[2:23:58] Voice 14: family is the most important thing and uh we appreciate you making the effort to to zoom in

[2:24:04] Voice 14: it's uh it's it's it's less of an experience for you so it's you're you're the one who's

[2:24:10] Voice 14: being punished not us i

[2:24:11] Voice 18: know right we

[2:24:12] Voice 14: see your attendance i like that

[2:24:17] Voice 14: we are going yeah so um so we have a closed meeting um so we have a motion to close the

[2:24:23] Voice 14: meeting somebody wants to read that out that

[2:24:26] Trustee Morrison: the meeting be closed to the public in accordance

[2:24:27] Trustee Morrison: with the community charter part 4 division 3 s91a uh personal information about an identifiable

[2:24:35] Trustee Morrison: individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer,

[2:24:39] Trustee Morrison: employer, agent of the municipality, or another position appointed by the

[2:24:43] Trustee Morrison: municipality and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting?

[2:24:46] Voice 14: Second, and to call the question all in favor, we are in camera so if Lisa, I can't even tell Lisa what to do, she's already done it.

North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
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North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
April 4, 2025 
Anglican Parish Hall 
4703 Canal Road, RR#1, North Pender Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Aaron Campbell, Local Trustee 
 Deb Morrison, Local Trustee (electronic)  
  
Staff Present: Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Bruce Belcher, Planner 2 (electronic) 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were 10 members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 10:00 a.m.  
2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
Chair Maude acknowledged that the meeting was being held in territory of the Coast Salish 
First Nations. 
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
17.2 Intertidal Development Permit PLD20250141 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended. 
4. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee Campbell reported electronic attendance at one Local Trust Committee meeting 
and March Trust Council while in Mexico. 
 
Trustee Morrison arrived to the meeting at 10:05 a.m. 
 
Trustee Morrison reported the following: 
• Attended Trust Council and highlighted the election of Salt Spring Trustee Laura Patrick 
as Chair of Trust Council 
• Will be co-presenting a discussion on climate at the upcoming Association of 
Vancouver Island and Coastal Community conference 
• Addressed concerns about helicopters at a Southern Gulf Islands Forum meeting 
ADOPTED 

 
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5. CHAIR'S REPORT 
Chair Maude reported attendance at the March Trust Council quarterly meeting and 
highlighted adoption of the 2025/26 budget, finalization of the Strategic Plan, and noted 
discussions on the draft Trust Policy Statement have been moved to Trust Area Services 
with intention of First Reading in June to enable the public consultation process. 
6. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT - None 
7. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
A member of the public asked if there was still intention to send a mailout to the community 
regarding the Trust Policy Statement and requested an update on the Dark Skies Initiative. 
Island Planner Smith indicated the mailout will be developed by Trust Area Services 
and Trustee Morrison stated the Dark Skies Initiative was discussed at Trust Council 
and it has received general support. 
 
A member of the public stated the following: 
• Their term on the Advisory Planning Commission has ended and they acknowledged the 
work of the group, minute taker Carly Bilney, and Island Planner Smith 
• The Local Trust Committee should not encourage massive homes but allow more 
supply through planned benefits to residents and not speculators, investors, or wealthy 
individuals 
• The provincial speculation tax needs to be applicable to North Pender Island 
• The Trust has a unique and overriding responsibility to protect the natural environment 
and character of the Trust Area and is not meant to be a conventional form of local 
government 
• Development needs to be approved with assessments of environmental impacts, 
precautionary principles, and the cumulative impact of said assessments need to be 
applied in decision making 
• They ask the Local Trust Committee to change focus back to the mandate of preserve 
and protect. 
8. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None 
9. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
10. MINUTES 
10.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated January 31, 2025 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the North Pender Island Local Trust committee meeting 
minutes of January 31, 2025 were adopted. 
10.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
10.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes Dated March 4, 2025 (for Receipt) 
  Received for information. 
  

 
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11. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
11.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Mar 2025 
Received for information. 
12. DELEGATIONS - None 
13. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
14. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
14.1 PL-DVP-2024-0330 (Keay) - Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• The application seeks a Development Variance Permit on the siting of an 
existing dock structure and associated walkway 
• The dock has been in place since the 1980’s and no new construction is 
required 
• A Federal Licence of Occupation is in place for the structure as a portion of it is 
located in the National Park Reserve Marine Area 
• The variances do no impact neighbours or the natural environment 
• No concerns were received during the notification period 
 
The Local Trust Committee has no questions regarding the application. 
 
NP-2025-010 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Development Variance Permit application NP-PL-DVP-2024-0330 (Keay). 
 
CARRIED 
14.2 PL-DVP-2024-0350 (Smith) - Staff Report 
Planner Belcher summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• The application seeks a Development Variance Permit to vary the maximum 
height and number of storeys for the conversion of an agricultural building to an 
accessory building 
• The applicant wishes to save and repurpose the existing barn and use the 
building as a shop, office, and storage space 
• The sum total of the floor area of all buildings on the property, and the total lot 
coverage, are significantly less than the maximum allowed 
• The variance would not allow residential use as a dwelling 
 
Discussion ensued and the following comments were recorded: 
• Rural large lot zoning permits 3000 square metres of total floor coverage for all 
structures as this can include agricultural buildings 

 
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• The house under construction is approximately 150 square metres which is 
under the permitted maximum size 
• The current use of the building is equipment storage and the intended use is 
storage and office space 
• A neighbour’s correspondence to the Local Trust Committee requested further 
time for residents to consider if they are affected 
• Statutory notification requirements were completed 
• Home occupation is permitted, but not commercial operations 
• The Local Trust Committee generally supports the application; however, the 
community is requesting further consultation 
 
The applicant was in attendance and stated no commercial use is intended, they 
have spoken to neighbours, the property had been used for business purposes for 
many years under previous ownership and included a non-permitted suite, new 
activity is primarily to store equipment with office use above, and the original 
building was a two-story barn. 
 
Planner Belcher clarified the following: 
• The building could be restored as a barn; however, a variance is required to 
change the use to non-agricultural and this results in the structure becoming an 
accessory building which allows for one story only 
• Correspondence from neighbours was received prior to the agenda being 
published and the staff report provides clarifications regarding the application 
• The neighbour was notified that the staff report was published, the notice period 
was still open, and the Planner did not hear further from the correspondent 
• The neighbour expressed concerns about height and use and potential noise 
and light intrusion; however, noise and light are allowable within the existing 
agricultural building 
• The height of the building already exists 
• The accessory use is more restricted than agricultural use 
 
The neighbour was in attendance and indicated they would have a better 
understanding of the application if more time was provided. The Local Trust 
Committee determined that deferring consideration of the application would 
provide members of the public more time to consider the affects of the application. 
 
NP-2025-011 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule an 
electronic special meeting for consideration of PLDVP20240350. 
 
CARRIED 
A member of the public stated they arrived prior to the scheduled time of the Town Hall; however, 
Town Hall had ended earlier than the published start time. Chair Maude allowed them to speak and 
their comments are recorded in the Town Hall section of the minutes. 
The meeting was recessed for a break at 11:16 a.m. and reconvened at 11:25 p.m. 

 
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14.3 PL-DP-2025-0033 (Lansdowne) - Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• The application seeks a Development Permit for the construction of a new 
dwelling and retroactive land restoration and mitigation resulting from land 
clearing for a utilities corridor and access stairway construction 
• The land clearing and building of the stairway were done without a permit 
• A report provided by a qualified environmental professional provides an 
assessment of the impacts of the development 
• A retroactive Development Permit will impose conditions for site restoration 
and protection of the sensitive ecosystem downslope of the development 
 
Discussion ensued and the following comments were noted: 
• There is no legal ability to deny an application based on circumstances that 
have already happened and the Local Trust Committee has to look at each 
application based on its own merit 
• Damage has already occurred within the Development Permit Area and 
approving the permit will ensure restoration 
 
The applicant and their representative were in attendance and provided the 
following comments: 
• The stairway is temporary and was sited on the rocks to minimize damage 
• The house was designed to protect the tree and the third-party doing excavation 
work removed it without authorization 
• The owner is willing to do the restoration work and intends to plant more trees 
than recommended 
• They allowed the contractor to proceed and presumed the workers knew the 
regulations 
NP-2025-012 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Development Permit NPPLDP20250033 (Lansdowne). 
CARRIED 
15. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
15.1 Housing Access and Affordability Project - Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith summarized the staff report and indicated a draft Housing 
Action Plan has been provided with identified goals, actions, and timelines. 
 
Discussion ensued about the inclusion of recreational vehicles (RVs) as dwelling 
units in light of safety concerns about living in an RV on a long-term basis and the 
following comments were recorded: 
• Consideration of RVs ranked high in survey responses 
• There is a standing resolution to not enforce on RVs being used as a dwelling 
unit due to the current housing crisis; but this does not mean that living in RVs is 
suitable long-term 

 
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• The Advisory Planning Commission had taken this matter under consideration 
and noted that concerns might be alleviated by addressing the issues of water, 
septic, and fire safety protections 
• There is possibility to allow RVs by a Temporary Use Permit provided an 
inspection is undertaken and approved 
• In addition to water and septic requirements the issue of mould and 
condensation should be addressed 
 
Discussion continued and the following comments were noted: 
• Exploration of a communication strategy can be undertaken during the project 
phase and might include providing examples of the experiences of community 
members that have built secondary suites 
• Suitable Land Analysis and Build-Out Analysis work is being done and can 
inform the project going forward 
NP-2025-013 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee endorses the proposed 
Goals, Objectives and Actions of the attached draft Housing Action Plan 
dated March 11, 2025, and directs staff to proceed with further community 
consultation prior to final endorsement of the Plan. 
CARRIED 
15.2 Raptor Nest Development Permit Area (DPA) Review Project Update - Staff 
Memo 
Island Planner Smith provided an update on the project and reported the following: 
• Data collection and mapping update work continues and will be presented at 
the upcoming Community Information Meeting on April 12 
•  Letters to property owners will be sent out once updated mapping is received 
16. REPORTS 
16.1 Work Program Report 
16.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated Mar 2025 
Received for information. 
16.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated Mar 2025 
Received for information. 
16.2 Applications Report Dated Mar 2025 
The Planner provided a verbal update. 
16.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Jan 2025 
Received for information. 
16.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
16.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
No updates required at this time. 

 
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16.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated Feb 2025 
Received for information. 
17. NEW BUSINESS 
17.1 6601 Razor Point Road Covenant Update 
No update provided at this time. Item to be kept on agenda for the next meeting. 
17.2 Intertidal Development Permit PLD20250141 
Island Planner Smith advised that an application for an Intertidal development 
permit for Green Shores/Bioengineering stabilization work had been received and 
the applicant is seeking approval as soon as possible to facilitate work to be done in 
the spring planting window prior to Department of Fisheries and Oceans fisheries 
closures beginning June 1.   
NP-2025-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a special 
meeting to be held electronically to consider Development Permit 
application PLDP20250141. 
CARRIED 
18. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
18.1 Special Community Information Meeting Scheduled for April 12, 2025 at the 
Pender Island Community Hall 
18.2 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for May 30, 2025 at the St Peter's Anglican 
Church Hall, Pender Island 
19. TOWN HALL  
No members of the public spoke. 
20. CLOSED MEETING (Distributed Under Separate Cover) 
20.1 Motion to Close Meeting 
NP-2025-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s. 90(1)(a): 
(a) personal information about an identifiable individual who holds 
or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent 
of the municipality or another position appointed by the 
municipality; 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The regular meeting was closed to the public at 12:25 p.m. 
  

 
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20.2 Recall to Order 
The meeting was recalled to order at 12:29 p.m. 
20.3 Rise and Report 
Chair Maude rose and reported adoption of the January 31, 2025 in-camera meeting 
minutes and the appointments of Andrew MacLean, Bert Hol, and Jon Spalding to 
the North Pender Board of Variance, commencing immediately for a term ending 
April 4, 2028.  
21. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 12:30 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder