Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 17, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 3: Well,

[0:00:07] Voice 4: good morning, everyone.

[0:00:09] Voice 4: I'd like to call this regular meeting of the Gate Railroad

[0:00:13] Voice 4: Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:15] Voice 4: We are live streaming the meeting and recording the meeting,

[0:00:20] Voice 4: and it will be available for anyone's use in the coming days.

[0:00:25] Voice 4: Very fortunate and grateful to be able to be meeting today

[0:00:28] Voice 4: in the Unseen Territories of the San Emo First Nations,

[0:00:34] Voice 4: Coast Salish First Nations.

[0:00:37] Voice 4: I personally am committed to reconciliation, as I know this local trust committee is, and

[0:00:43] Voice 4: I'm looking forward to learning and listening, listening on their interests and of this territory.

[0:00:54] Voice 4: I'm Laura Patrick.

[0:00:56] Voice 4: I'm elected on Salt Spring Island and the newly appointed chair of this local trust

[0:01:00] Voice 4: committee, and I'm really excited to be here.

[0:01:03] Voice 4: I chaired one meeting last term for last year's term.

[0:01:08] Voice 4: And with me today is trustee Susan Yates and Toby Elliott together for your local trust

[0:01:15] Voice 4: committee.

[0:01:16] Voice 4: We have a number of staff here with us today.

[0:01:18] Voice 4: I believe the regional planning manager, Renee Jamerot, will be here at some point.

[0:01:24] Voice 4: We have Marissa Chadwick, Stevie Baugh, Lisa Millard, and I think Marlis McCarter and Warren

[0:01:30] Voice 4: Dignan will be joining us.

[0:01:32] Voice 4: this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use

[0:01:37] Voice 4: planning matters and to discuss relevant business this is also a place of employment and our staff

[0:01:43] Voice 4: have the right to a safe and respectful workplace there are times in the meeting where the public

[0:01:48] Voice 4: can speak and i'll return to those when we get to them so for now we have an agenda before us

[0:01:56] Voice 4: trustees are there any changes to the agenda with the agenda through general consent excellent

[0:02:12] Voice 4: i'm a wide awake this morning okay um first up we have a delegation and we have

[0:02:19] Voice 4: gabriella health care foundation regarding their strategic plan

[0:02:25] Voice 4: 2024 2029 i'm sorry i forgot your name it's

[0:02:28] Voice 1: jack mullengrin

[0:02:29] Voice 4: Jeff Malmgren.

[0:02:30] Voice 1: Malmgren.

[0:02:31] Voice 4: Malmgren.

[0:02:32] Voice 4: Well, thank you, Jeff.

[0:02:33] Voice 4: The floor is yours.

[0:02:34] Voice 4: You're sitting in a perfect spot right next to the microphone.

[0:02:39] Voice 4: And please proceed.

[0:02:40] Voice 4: Great.

[0:02:41] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:02:41] Voice 2: Thank you for the opportunity.

[0:02:43] Voice 2: So I'm Jeff Malmgren.

[0:02:44] Voice 2: I'm the president of the Gabriela Healthcare Foundation.

[0:02:46] Voice 2: We are embarking on a new strategic plan.

[0:02:49] Voice 2: We have a draft strategic plan in place, which was included in your package.

[0:02:52] Voice 2: And certainly it was linked in.

[0:02:53] Voice 2: I have five minutes, so I won't go into the full strategic plan.

[0:02:56] Voice 2: But the reason we've come today is, as we look at this new strategic plan, it contemplates a shift and expansion of our mandate on the island.

[0:03:09] Voice 2: And it also contemplates something beyond simply the work of the foundation and looks at a bigger piece, which we feel has great implication for the trust in particular, particularly potentially within the OCP process.

[0:03:25] Voice 2: process. So, and again, it is in your packet. I don't know if everybody's had a chance to read it.

[0:03:31] Voice 2: One of the things, the pieces that we've come to realize, and actually was embedded in when

[0:03:38] Voice 2: the foundation began, was that we can't rely on the external health system to meet our needs on

[0:03:45] Voice 2: Gabriela. There are a variety of reasons for that. One is because very often the external health

[0:03:52] Voice 2: systems in our province and our country really don't understand what rural

[0:03:56] Voice 2: health and rural life is about. So those, and two, is those systems are

[0:04:01] Voice 2: under tremendous pressure as we've seen. They're not serving anybody as

[0:04:05] Voice 2: well as one might hope right at the moment. But for us, it's perhaps even

[0:04:09] Voice 2: less so. But three is, and this is perhaps the most important piece, is

[0:04:14] Voice 2: that the concept of a health system is in itself flawed. We're not trying, we

[0:04:19] Voice 2: We don't have a health system that keeps us healthy.

[0:04:21] Voice 2: We have a health system that repairs us when we get sick at best.

[0:04:25] Voice 2: And we're spending our money and energy on making sick people better, ideally, when it works, or at least keeping them at the same place that they are.

[0:04:35] Voice 2: What we consider is, and this is really evidence-based work, is that we need to look at a system that considers health and well-being.

[0:04:43] Voice 2: We need to look at something that really looks at how do we keep people well?

[0:04:48] Voice 2: and what's the impact of that overall.

[0:04:51] Voice 2: And when we look to that, we understand that if we as a foundation

[0:04:56] Voice 2: think that that's a good thing to do, we have the opportunity to sponsor it.

[0:05:00] Voice 2: We have the opportunity to advocate for it.

[0:05:03] Voice 2: We have the opportunity because of our unique position

[0:05:06] Voice 2: where we do deliver or provide support healthcare services

[0:05:09] Voice 2: of some level of credibility and strength,

[0:05:12] Voice 2: but we cannot be the holder of that system.

[0:05:15] Voice 2: The only way that such a system can be built is if it's held collectively, if our community holds it as a whole.

[0:05:23] Voice 2: And in fact, we begin to take collective responsibility for our health and well-being.

[0:05:30] Voice 2: So the work that we're doing as we move forward with this strategic plan engagement process, which will happen over the next four or five months, is really giving people an opportunity to understand what that could look like.

[0:05:44] Voice 2: What it could mean if we built a well-designed and well-connected system of health and well-being that was collectively held.

[0:05:52] Voice 2: And what would the opportunities in that be?

[0:05:56] Voice 2: What would the outcomes be for our health?

[0:05:58] Voice 2: So I think that, as I said, there's quite a bit more detail in the strategic plan itself.

[0:06:04] Voice 2: But really the ask here is, just as we ask other organizations, but in particular this one, how do you consider health and well-being in your mandates?

[0:06:14] Voice 2: Where does that fit in your mandates and really the conversation may be, is this an overarching piece?

[0:06:20] Voice 2: Is this something where the collective responsibility for health and well-being is embedded in your OCP in such a way that the piece is called from it?

[0:06:31] Voice 2: Because realistically, if every organization on our island looks and says, we understand that at the tantamount is health and well-being.

[0:06:41] Voice 2: And we want to ensure that whatever we do drives to and supports and connects around that health and well-being.

[0:06:47] Voice 2: We will have built that system.

[0:06:49] Voice 2: And I just want to, before I turn it back to you, is say the great thing that we recognize is that Gabriela has a tremendous opportunity to follow this path.

[0:07:00] Voice 2: We have not-for-profit agencies.

[0:07:03] Voice 2: We have people in the community who have a strong desire to work together and to take responsibility for one another.

[0:07:10] Voice 2: Sometimes people say that's a lost piece of our community because of the new people who have come.

[0:07:17] Voice 2: And I would say I disagree with that.

[0:07:19] Voice 2: I think that, frankly, it's what sometimes brings people to the island.

[0:07:24] Voice 2: And sometimes they don't realize it right away, but it wouldn't take much to bring people back to that place.

[0:07:30] Voice 2: So we believe if there's a voice across organizations and particularly across leaders that puts this in place, that makes it that much, that's the path we need to follow.

[0:07:42] Voice 2: Thank

[0:07:43] Voice 13: you very much. Any questions, trustees?

[0:07:46] Voice 13: Maybe

[0:07:47] Voice 4: just a comment. Thank you so much, Jeff, for that.

[0:07:50] Voice 4: I agree. Certainly some of the best things that have ever happened on this island since I've lived here for many decades have been in the last 10 years.

[0:07:58] Voice 13: and they have blue tears purposely

[0:08:02] Voice 4: to find community and to build community so I certainly

[0:08:06] Voice 4: appreciate that and I really appreciate the fact that the strategic plan focuses on equitable

[0:08:13] Voice 4: primary health care and you know is thinking strongly about dismantling practices of a

[0:08:21] Voice 4: colonial legacy and that's it's really beautiful to see that in a strategic

[0:08:26] Voice 13: plan so thank you for

[0:08:30] Voice 4: question. So how can the foundation engage with the LTC in this OCP process? You and I talked a

[0:08:41] Voice 4: little bit about this, and we talked about how the foundation seems to be prepared to

[0:08:47] Voice 4: support the community conversation on those other aspects of health and well-being,

[0:08:52] Voice 4: which we as the land use planning component would not be able to address and we sort of talked about

[0:09:02] Voice 4: this community plan or as the foundation develops the vision and what comes out of this is a sort

[0:09:09] Voice 4: of a community master plan and it's a corollary corollary or a sort of a companion maybe to the

[0:09:20] Voice 4: OCP visioning process. So do you, is there a conversation about

[0:09:26] Voice 4: whole gene aspects of a community vision that are not just land use planning and

[0:09:31] Voice 4: yet could work together?

[0:09:33] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the interesting thing is

[0:09:36] Voice 2: that it's, at the end of the day, it all has to connect. And land use planning

[0:09:44] Voice 2: obviously holds a critical piece in that. So to me, that's where that ask is of

[0:09:50] Voice 2: If you would, in your OCP, actually clearly address that as a critical element, it opens the door to bringing what's happening in the OCP into those other conversations.

[0:10:04] Voice 2: Because they're not separate conversations, you know, and you're already having those conversations around housing and all the other social determinants and what land use.

[0:10:16] Voice 2: that's really the conversation but how do we break i don't really see it as one versus the other

[0:10:23] Voice 2: just as you've had this issue as you've tried as you as you've gone through your ocp engagement

[0:10:28] Voice 2: of saying well we'll talk about this right now and then you go into those sessions talking about

[0:10:32] Voice 2: one particular thing and your planners end up talking about all of the stuff because it's all

[0:10:36] Voice 2: interconnected so i think that it's you know it's it's where are the opportunities to ensure that

[0:10:44] Voice 2: processes inform one another does that make sense I mean so if we're going to

[0:10:50] Voice 2: hear as we engage in the community and even as we engage with all of the

[0:10:54] Voice 2: different partners on the island pieces that will directly inform your OCP

[0:10:59] Voice 2: process and will be valuable to your OCP process I

[0:11:03] Voice 4: guess but my question was how

[0:11:05] Voice 4: is the foundation or is the foundation prepared to hold the components of the

[0:11:12] Voice 4: the process that cannot be addressed in the OCP planning because the OCP does

[0:11:17] Voice 4: not include the provision of infrastructure, right?

[0:11:21] Voice 4: Community services are the responsibility of these other agencies.

[0:11:25] Voice 4: They were

[0:11:25] Voice 4: very clear with the, what we heard report from staff.

[0:11:29] Voice 4: Here's what the community wants.

[0:11:30] Voice 4: Here are the 10 things out of the bucket of 20, let's say,

[0:11:34] Voice 3: like it

[0:11:35] Voice 4: can be addressed by the OCP,

[0:11:37] Voice 3: but

[0:11:37] Voice 4: land use planning is a mark that we have to work within.

[0:11:41] Voice 4: and you're talking about all these other things.

[0:11:43] Voice 4: And we've had those conversations with the community too.

[0:11:46] Voice 4: And they want to have a place to put those dreams

[0:11:49] Voice 4: and aspirations up for community wellness.

[0:11:51] Voice 2: I understand.

[0:11:52] Voice 2: So thank you.

[0:11:54] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:11:54] Voice 2: And so that's a really great question.

[0:11:57] Voice 2: Is the foundation prepared to hold it?

[0:12:00] Voice 2: I would say it is, but it doesn't feel as if it has to.

[0:12:04] Voice 2: I think that's the really important part is,

[0:12:06] Voice 2: you know, if we talk with the foundation has resources

[0:12:09] Voice 2: resources and places where it seems really apparent that it would be really valuable to do

[0:12:14] Voice 2: that but it also seems as if in some places it would be value for others to do it i mean so

[0:12:20] Voice 2: there's a way there's a collaborative where what's what is the role of the health and well-being

[0:12:24] Voice 2: called collaborative versus the the foundation good question which we can phc is another one

[0:12:31] Voice 2: where does phc fit another really great question and i go back to the beginning which is if we

[0:12:38] Voice 2: have a collective commitment to a system for health and well-being then then the pieces fall together

[0:12:44] Voice 2: from that i

[0:12:45] Voice 11: think that's

[0:12:46] Voice 2: that's so it is a tricky place is because we don't want to own this

[0:12:51] Voice 2: because it won't work if we own it that's really what

[0:12:54] Voice 4: i really liked your pitch and this was my

[0:12:57] Voice 4: last comment sorry i really love your pitch the of the collective responsibility for well-being

[0:13:02] Voice 4: And I absolutely think this community is prepared to do that, and this LTC, at least from my perspective, would support that. Delivering on that will be the responsibility of many different agencies, right, of which the LTC is one.

[0:13:20] Voice 4: one um but i guess the organizational capacity to work to convene and to administer between all

[0:13:28] Voice 4: those agencies that's what the items trust can't do and sometimes that's the expectation that we

[0:13:33] Voice 4: should we are that voice for the community because it's where people come and there's there's a face

[0:13:37] Voice 4: and a local government right but we have that we're not providing services so i'm holding the

[0:13:43] Voice 4: administrative uh capacity is is beyond that and i just love this conversation so i'll wrap it up

[0:13:52] Voice 4: So, just one last comment. I do see a place in the OCP, at least in the preamble that

[0:13:59] Voice 4: we often have for even like the trust policy statement that applies to the whole trust

[0:14:04] Voice 4: area. Well, our OCP applies to our trust area. And in a preamble, often there are statements

[0:14:12] Voice 4: statements about cooperating and collaborating with other agencies. And we absolutely must have

[0:14:20] Voice 4: that in our OCP, probably right at the very beginning, because that's what

[0:14:26] Voice 13: ensures that we

[0:14:28] Voice 13: do that, that we don't forget that there will be times

[0:14:31] Voice 4: when we really need to cooperate and

[0:14:33] Voice 4: collaborate and work with other agencies in order to get that good work done, to be collectively

[0:14:40] Voice 4: actively responsible for our health and welfare.

[0:14:44] Voice 2: I guess the one final comment, I know you've got a stacked agenda.

[0:14:48] Voice 2: You know, I think that my conversation with both of you has led to this more is, you know,

[0:14:55] Voice 2: common language is important.

[0:14:57] Voice 2: You know, so if we're often what we see is different agencies and different levels of

[0:15:03] Voice 2: government and different organizations say sort of the same thing, but they use different

[0:15:07] Voice 2: language.

[0:15:07] Voice 2: And so, you know, as I think about this, and I'm obviously talking to other organizations on the island, the term collective responsibility for health and well-being seems to ring.

[0:15:19] Voice 2: It seems to, you know, it's so we're really hoping that not only will organizations see that they can, that is something that they can see themselves in, but that we come to a place of common language.

[0:15:31] Voice 2: And because that makes, that really, it's frankly, when I go to external, look for external supports from the government or an NGO level, and if I can show that our island as a whole has common language across all of their different organizations, including their government organizations, that's quite powerful.

[0:15:51] Voice 2: So that would be my plea.

[0:15:53] Voice 2: I

[0:15:54] Voice 4: see our island planner, Narissa Cabot, writing that down.

[0:15:58] Voice 4: And she has sent it strictly in already.

[0:16:02] Voice 4: And

[0:16:02] Voice 2: you have my email.

[0:16:03] Voice 4: She works with us, of course, to do that.

[0:16:06] Voice 4: So just as a final, sorry, that is the final, this is the final comment.

[0:16:11] Voice 4: So the What We Heard report that came out of the Gabriel division process,

[0:16:17] Voice 4: and because this is a public meeting,

[0:16:19] Voice 4: and I encourage everyone to go back to that report,

[0:16:21] Voice 4: It's really excellent because staff articulated not just the things that are in our LTC or OCP box, what can we address in the OCP, but here are the things that, you know, people wanted to see in terms of improved infrastructure accessibility, you know, biking and walking paths are improved.

[0:16:41] Voice 4: And those cannot be addressed through the OCP review process.

[0:16:45] Voice 4: So I encourage the foundation, and as you go through the community engagement that you're doing, go back to that document and go, oh, where are these different threads that community identified as important aren't going to be realized through the OCP process, but they now have a place to go.

[0:17:02] Voice 4: So we've done some of that work, and hopefully this will be a companion.

[0:17:07] Voice 5: Absolutely.

[0:17:07] Voice 5: Thank

[0:17:08] Voice 4: you so much.

[0:17:08] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:17:09] Voice 5: Thank

[0:17:09] Voice 4: you very much for coming and I'm one that always likes to challenge the system and, you know, where we are today and where we need to be in the future. And so I think the picture you're drawing out is a very, one that I look to Gabriel all the time, you have some very effective volunteer led organizations here that put to shame all of our other islands.

[0:17:34] Voice 4: And so you really know how to work together as a collective.

[0:17:38] Voice 4: And I think this is where these systems can be challenged and developed

[0:17:43] Voice 4: for all of us to look to.

[0:17:45] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:17:46] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:17:47] Voice 2: And thank you for accommodating my tight schedule today.

[0:17:50] Voice 2: Thank you

[0:17:50] Voice 2: so much.

[0:17:52] Voice 4: All right, trustees, we're now on the agenda and we're at trustee reports.

[0:17:57] Voice 4: Who would like to go first?

[0:17:59] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:18:00] Voice 4: Okay. I will try to make it brief and focus on, because it's been about two months since our last regular meeting.

[0:18:11] Voice 4: We've had two special meetings in between.

[0:18:16] Voice 4: I guess the most significant happening for this community was really through the OCP open houses that Susan and I did and were scheduled with the Sounder.

[0:18:29] Voice 4: that was the key to actually getting people out I have been advertising open houses come and talk

[0:18:35] Voice 4: to me anytime but without getting that in the paper people were not coming so that's a lesson

[0:18:41] Voice 4: learned there but we facilitated two open houses in March and it was really good groups who had

[0:18:48] Voice 4: some very thoughtful questions challenging questions about the process but they hadn't

[0:18:55] Voice 4: felt included they weren't getting word about this OCP review what even is it and the associated

[0:19:00] Voice 4: implications so I think we need to do more work on getting the word out on creating opportunity

[0:19:08] Voice 4: for people to engage but also just distributing information I think it's all on the website but

[0:19:15] Voice 4: when I take people through and maybe I'll just put a pin in that we'll talk about it with the OCP

[0:19:21] Voice 4: process so i'll leave that for a bit reconciliation related updates um so our budget that was just

[0:19:31] Voice 4: passed for 2025-26 we did see uh fifty thousand dollars for reconciliation activities and our

[0:19:38] Voice 4: senior indigenous relations advisor is following through with um booking sessions for the rest of

[0:19:45] Voice 4: the year for cultural safety training and indigenous engagement sessions for trustees and staff

[0:19:51] Voice 4: I attended, with Chair Patrick, the Foyete-Liskety Island screening of dust and bones, in which

[0:20:00] Voice 4: we had two elders, Kim Rekalma-Kludesi and Elder Bill White of Sine Moch attended, and

[0:20:09] Voice 4: they really spoke quite movingly about how Liskety has done something different that

[0:20:17] Voice 4: none of the other islands have in that they're engaging with not just elders in the proper

[0:20:26] Voice 4: protocols to recognize um sacred sites and archaeology sites and actually understand the

[0:20:35] Voice 4: history of that place but actually with you know doing respectful um protocols with the ancestors

[0:20:42] Voice 4: And there's been ancestral burnings, and it's like the community is coming together in this beautiful way, recognizing the past, present, and future relationships to the land there.

[0:20:57] Voice 4: And this is such a difference from even 20 years ago, there was this misunderstanding that there was no Coast Salish people who lived on Liskiti.

[0:21:07] Voice 4: So it's been a huge step, and that's really informing me in where we need to go.

[0:21:14] Voice 4: I still participate in Culturally Committed as a member.

[0:21:19] Voice 4: Really great workshops there.

[0:21:22] Voice 4: I am going to talk to Elder Gary Mattson about fundraising for Manakunu.

[0:21:29] Voice 4: This is the tribal journeys that most Coast Salish communities take,

[0:21:35] Voice 4: And we generally need to raise about $10,000 to $14,000 to take Indigenous youth in these traditional tribal canoes down to a destination.

[0:21:45] Voice 4: And so this one's happening in late July to August.

[0:21:48] Voice 4: And so we did a fantastic fundraiser on Gabriel last year that really brought our communities together and built some bridges.

[0:21:56] Voice 4: So I think I'll help facilitate that again.

[0:22:00] Voice 4: Yeah, I can.

[0:22:03] Voice 4: And then three forums.

[0:22:06] Voice 4: So I participated in the Rural Island Economic Partnership.

[0:22:09] Voice 4: That was March 6th to 7th.

[0:22:12] Voice 4: Don't worry, they all send you all the notes.

[0:22:14] Voice 4: The Southern Gulf Islands Forum on March 14th,

[0:22:17] Voice 4: which was our first meeting with the newly elected MLA Rob Botterill

[0:22:20] Voice 4: from Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:22:22] Voice 4: But most recently, AVICC,

[0:22:26] Voice 4: the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities,

[0:22:28] Voice 4: which happened just last weekend in Nanaimo,

[0:22:32] Voice 4: I was able to present on behalf of the Islands Trust

[0:22:35] Voice 4: the results of the Tiny House on Wheels

[0:22:38] Voice 4: enablement in the trust area project

[0:22:40] Voice 4: with RDN building inspection and permitting staff

[0:22:46] Voice 4: and director Vanessa Craig.

[0:22:49] Voice 4: And so there's actually some big news.

[0:22:51] Voice 4: That project really only started in September last year,

[0:22:55] Voice 4: got some funding through the affordable housing

[0:22:59] Voice 4: program and hired a consultant to convene all these specialists together and really just put

[0:23:07] Voice 4: them in the room to say here's the problem tiny homes never seem to be able to break into an

[0:23:13] Voice 4: actual legal dwelling can you try to solve it and the RDN staff already had direction from their

[0:23:20] Voice 4: board so this was really timely and what happened was industry tiny home industry was able to

[0:23:27] Voice 4: demonstrate that their manufactured Z240MH models are so close to meeting the intent of the building

[0:23:34] Voice 4: code that the RDN building inspectors could say, we can permit this as a dwelling. So this is just

[0:23:42] Voice 4: the manufactured home standards, but that leads into the conversation of there could be policy

[0:23:48] Voice 4: options, and the RDN staff are already talking about that, for how to deal with existing or ones

[0:23:54] Voice 4: that are not built to that standard but can demonstrate uh health and safety um related

[0:24:01] Voice 4: uh not certification but standard so that was really exciting um the other end was just like

[0:24:08] Voice 4: i can't believe we got here and this could be a game changer for bc because this has been sort

[0:24:13] Voice 4: of bottlenecked at this um this stage where you know industry wasn't is now able to change enough

[0:24:22] Voice 4: not that the building inspectors are going,

[0:24:24] Voice 4: that could be a legal dwelling, even with the wheels on.

[0:24:27] Voice 4: So huge news there.

[0:24:29] Voice 4: More will follow out, and there's other communities.

[0:24:32] Voice 4: CBRD has already asked for the report.

[0:24:35] Voice 4: And Bowen on Garmina's Path is quite interested.

[0:24:39] Voice 4: So I think I'll wrap it up there.

[0:24:41] Voice 4: There's lots of, I participate in all the meetings.

[0:24:45] Voice 4: I've jumped into programs committees.

[0:24:46] Voice 4: So I think I'm on every committee in the Conservancy Board,

[0:24:49] Voice 4: except governments, and you as well, probably.

[0:24:52] Voice 4: and it's a lot but come see me if you've got questions I actually just want to end my report

[0:25:00] Voice 4: by saying I have such an appreciation for our staff Islands Trust staff I have been

[0:25:07] Voice 4: bowled over again and again and again and I go to meetings I go to more meetings than I want to

[0:25:16] Voice 4: but staff always show up they are so professional they're so dedicated to the mandate

[0:25:21] Voice 4: mandate to solving our intractable, difficult problems, coming to our islands and getting

[0:25:28] Voice 4: right in there and going, okay, let's figure this out with people, from the planners to

[0:25:32] Voice 4: the programs coordinator to legislative clerks, everyone is just so excellent. So I just want

[0:25:39] Voice 4: to say a huge thank you, appreciation to staff. And there's more in the update, but I'll save

[0:25:45] Voice 4: Thanks.

[0:25:47] Voice 4: Great, great work on that.

[0:25:49] Voice 13: Cool.

[0:25:50] Voice 13: I just want to put a little pin in the

[0:25:53] Voice 13: project because I've been in correspondence with

[0:25:57] Voice 13: and I, she would like to bring it to Gabriela,

[0:26:03] Voice 13: with working with

[0:26:04] Voice 4: us in the museum.

[0:26:05] Voice 4: They have a traveling exhibit.

[0:26:07] Voice 4: So that unveiling is May 3rd, I believe, on

[0:26:11] Voice 4: Yeah. And there's a mural that can travel to different communities.

[0:26:18] Voice 4: So we need, I said that you and I would work with the museum and get

[0:26:21] Voice 13: it to Gabriel.

[0:26:22] Voice 13: Yeah, perfect. For sure, because I've been following that project since the last term and it's

[0:26:28] Voice 4: just an amazing project.

[0:26:30] Voice 4: So thanks for reminding

[0:26:31] Voice 13: me of that. OK, I

[0:26:33] Voice 4: will try to be really brief too.

[0:26:34] Voice 13: So as a local trust

[0:26:37] Voice 4: committee, we've had two special meetings.

[0:26:39] Voice 4: on the focus groups and out of those special meetings we've had three recommendations and

[0:26:48] Voice 4: one of the recommendations was asking staff for options for more public engagement so we are

[0:26:55] Voice 4: definitely working on that we will have more open houses on the focus groups and the OCP review in

[0:27:02] Voice 4: general. So Director Craig's not here from the RDN, but I can report on the

[0:27:11] Voice 4: Regional District Parks and Recreation Master Plan. It is in its final stages

[0:27:18] Voice 4: after almost two years of work. So I attended the meeting on April 7th. It's

[0:27:26] Voice 4: looking really good. There were many comments from groups on Gabriel and the

[0:27:30] Voice 4: recreation society galt um lots of the soccer association

[0:27:35] Voice 13: of course um so it looks like there

[0:27:39] Voice 13: will be a big open house on may the 10th at the commons and that will be the finished draft

[0:27:46] Voice 13: staff will be sharing the overview and the next steps and it'll probably be available a week or

[0:27:53] Voice 13: so ahead online there should be some kind of notice coming up from the

[0:27:56] Voice 4: rdn probably be in

[0:27:58] Voice 4: the sounder newspaper um and the master plan i have to say it does speak to the importance of

[0:28:05] Voice 4: continuing to have conversations with the name of first nation and i was a little bit worried at the

[0:28:10] Voice 4: beginning of the process that that was not happening but it is so i'm looking forward to that

[0:28:16] Voice 4: um it the interesting thing about this process for them right now this is a 10-year master plan

[0:28:22] Voice 4: is that it's in conjunction with our OCP review process.

[0:28:26] Voice 4: So everything that's coming out of our OCP review

[0:28:29] Voice 4: that's relevant to parks and rec master plan

[0:28:32] Voice 4: is happening together, which is great.

[0:28:38] Voice 13: Let's see.

[0:28:44] Voice 13: Okay, so like trustee Elliott,

[0:28:46] Voice 13: I've also attended the trust program committee

[0:28:50] Voice 13: special meetings to update the trust policy statement.

[0:28:53] Voice 13: we've had two at least two since the last local pest committee meeting um one on april 2nd focused

[0:29:01] Voice 13: on recreation on anchorages on forest land policies

[0:29:05] Voice 4: on soil deposit and removal

[0:29:07] Voice 4: and marine

[0:29:08] Voice 4: foreshore and the one we just had on yesterday april 16th um focused on support this is this is

[0:29:17] Voice 4: really important to me and i think it is for

[0:29:19] Voice 13: chair patrick as well and trustee elliott support for

[0:29:22] Voice 13: those five advocacy groups that we work with

[0:29:26] Voice 4: that are do incredible work across the salish sea

[0:29:29] Voice 4: so groups like the house sound forum the southern governance forum we really need to support them

[0:29:37] Voice 4: and we do offer some small

[0:29:38] Voice 13: financial support but also just having meetings with them um

[0:29:43] Voice 13: so yesterday we ended up talking quite a bit of quite for quite a while with fresh water

[0:29:48] Voice 13: protection and we did have fresh water specialist woman show but join us so

[0:29:53] Voice 13: that was really helpful and I have to say echoing your sentiments about staff

[0:29:58] Voice 13: help

[0:30:00] Voice 13: Senior Policy Advisor Jason Yeomans is leading us through the Trust Policy Statement update.

[0:30:05] Voice 13: He has been unbelievably helpful in providing really expansive options for good directive and good advisory policy for that Trust Policy Statement.

[0:30:17] Voice 13: He's just been brilliant, and I'm just so appreciative.

[0:30:21] Voice 13: So that's almost finished here.

[0:30:24] Voice 4: I did want to mention that last week I hopped across many islands in the Salish Sea.

[0:30:30] Voice 4: all in the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations, so I went from Salt Spring to Pender to

[0:30:36] Voice 4: Maine and then I hopped over to Galliano one day and then back to Maine. It was a bit of a

[0:30:41] Voice 4: bus mount holiday. I had friends to visit but work to do and I wanted to talk directly to one of the

[0:30:47] Voice 4: Maine Island Trustees about their flex zoning for housing, which I did, and I had a pretty good idea

[0:30:55] Voice 4: of what it was in the first place but good to see it kind of where it could happen in action

[0:31:00] Voice 4: i saw the incredible desecration of the fallow deer invasion i saw so many fallow deer that were

[0:31:07] Voice 4: in the most horrible condition this i just thought i just it was awful it's probably the worst invasive

[0:31:14] Voice 4: species thing you can

[0:31:15] Voice 13: imagine total sympathy with that um but what i really enjoyed was being in the

[0:31:22] Voice 13: the territory of the Tsinkum, the South,

[0:31:25] Voice 13: Tartlet, Penelope, Liaxon, and other Coast Salish nations,

[0:31:29] Voice 13: and thinking about spring

[0:31:31] Voice 4: and food, their food sources,

[0:31:33] Voice 4: the foreshore food sources and the chemist bulbs

[0:31:36] Voice 4: and the rice root bulbs,

[0:31:38] Voice 4: and seeing those flowers coming up was so beautiful.

[0:31:46] Voice 4: Yeah, that's it.

[0:31:48] Voice 4: Oh, no, one more thing.

[0:31:49] Voice 4: Every one of those islands,

[0:31:51] Voice 4: everyone has the most beautiful pathway from the ferry to the village some of them as long as four

[0:32:00] Voice 4: kilometers and more they wind in among the trees they're not on the side of the road they're so

[0:32:06] Voice 4: safe for cyclists and pedestrians they

[0:32:10] Voice 13: are so beautiful and i know if director craig was sitting

[0:32:14] Voice 13: beside us i'd be giving her the hanged dog look because yeah we're missing that and we really

[0:32:21] Voice 13: need to get that and we want that to happen so badly from the ferry to the village and beyond

[0:32:30] Voice 13: not an asphalt path with giant black fences along the way that impede your vision a proper cycling

[0:32:37] Voice 13: and pedestrian path made with so anytime you visit those other islands that's what you'll see

[0:32:46] Voice 13: Thank you very much.

[0:32:51] Voice 4: I just want to thank Trustee Elliott for taking that charge there on the tiny

[0:32:56] Voice 4: couple of wheels, trying to hang on to her coattails there.

[0:33:00] Voice 4: And she kind of pushed us at high speed,

[0:33:04] Voice 4: something bureaucracy is not well known for,

[0:33:07] Voice 4: but we did go from September to delivering the paper at ABICC this past

[0:33:13] Voice 4: weekend far more successfully than we had thought we could do.

[0:33:17] Voice 4: do. So that was primarily Trustee Elliott's doing. It's a group effort. I'm not going to

[0:33:29] Voice 4: take a lot of time. At the last Trust Council, we did approve the budget. I encourage you to go to

[0:33:33] Voice 4: the Islands Trust website. There's a lot of information there. If you have any problems

[0:33:37] Voice 4: navigating, please ask. We'll help you find it. It's very important if you can subscribe. If you

[0:33:43] Voice 4: subscribe you can choose just gabriel or you can choose all the islands if you want your email box

[0:33:47] Voice 4: filled up but uh you know choose wisely um and you will get sent information to your email and it's a

[0:33:54] Voice 4: great way of staying involved so i'm going to leave it at that and we don't have vanessa craig

[0:34:02] here

[0:34:02] Voice 4: she's probably exhausted after her duties this weekend as a executive on the um association

[0:34:09] Voice 4: of Vancouver Island and Coastal Communities.

[0:34:12] Voice 4: Chair Patrick,

[0:34:13] Voice 13: I have one comment to make

[0:34:15] Voice 13: that relates directly to your work as chair.

[0:34:19] Voice 4: I want to thank you for the letter written on April 9th

[0:34:22] Voice 4: to the San Juan County Council,

[0:34:25] Voice 4: because that's one of the bodies that we get to work with,

[0:34:28] Voice 13: that we advocate with,

[0:34:29] Voice 13: part of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum to work.

[0:34:32] Voice 13: And I love working with the San Juan County,

[0:34:37] Voice 13: I mean, commissioners, we have so many things in common.

[0:34:40] Voice 13: We talk about ferries, we talk about foreshore,

[0:34:44] Voice 13: you know, all the things that matter so much

[0:34:46] Voice 13: to both of our regions.

[0:34:48] Voice 13: And I love what you said in this letter

[0:34:50] Voice 13: about you're attaching a background briefing

[0:34:53] Voice 13: on the longstanding, warm, and cooperative

[0:34:56] Voice 13: trans-boundary relationship.

[0:35:00] Voice 4: Well, I should point out on St. Paddy's Day there,

[0:35:04] Voice 4: was on march 17th that we did hold a frost border meeting with the elected from both sides of the

[0:35:11] Voice 4: border for the uh san juan and gulf islands uh congressman larson was one of the spearheaders

[0:35:17] Voice 4: of that they you know they are devastated by the political environment on the south

[0:35:22] Voice 4: um and really wanted to reiterate that our our border is while it might be a legal boundary

[0:35:31] Voice 4: the environment flows between it, the way it holds everyone.

[0:35:36] Voice 4: And we both are immensely dedicated to the health

[0:35:39] Voice 4: and wellbeing of the islands.

[0:35:43] Voice 4: We will be working to having a joint forum

[0:35:46] Voice 4: with the elected again in the fall,

[0:35:49] Voice 4: focusing primarily on marine opportunities,

[0:35:53] Voice 4: how we work better and learn from each other

[0:35:56] Voice 4: to do better things.

[0:35:58] Voice 4: So it is a good relationship.

[0:36:00] Voice 4: You know, we talk about pipelines, we talk about anchorages,

[0:36:02] Voice 4: and it's the same heartfelt conversations on both sides of the border,

[0:36:07] Voice 13: which is really important.

[0:36:08] Voice 13: And, you know, there's a list of how far back we've gone with them.

[0:36:12] Voice 13: It goes back to 1999.

[0:36:13] Voice 13: It actually goes back farthest than that,

[0:36:15] Voice 13: because in the early 1990s when I was a trustee,

[0:36:18] Voice 13: the very first time I learned about saltwater intrusion was a workshop

[0:36:22] Voice 13: given by the San Juan County people on Galeano Island.

[0:36:26] Voice 13: So

[0:36:27] Voice 4: there you go.

[0:36:28] Voice 4: Great collaboration.

[0:36:30] Voice 4: Some good things there.

[0:36:32] Voice 4: Okay, so we don't have any First Nations reports as well.

[0:36:38] Voice 4: So I need to open up my notes here.

[0:36:44] Voice 4: So this is your turn to speak with us.

[0:36:48] Voice 4: We wanna hear your questions and comments at this time.

[0:36:51] Voice 4: Later in the agenda, we will be discussing

[0:36:55] Voice 4: some applications.

[0:36:56] Voice 4: If you're an applicant in the room,

[0:36:58] Voice 4: you will have a chance to talk to us

[0:37:00] Voice 4: when your application is being concerned.

[0:37:02] Voice 4: start, so you don't need to stand up now and wait till your time. But if you're here to talk about

[0:37:07] Voice 4: or have comments on an application, this is your time. When addressing us, please direct your

[0:37:13] Voice 4: comments to the three of us, not the audience or staff. Speak about issues, not individuals.

[0:37:21] Voice 4: And I know you're going to be clear, concise, and respectful. So with that, who would like to

[0:37:29] Voice 4: to address us today.

[0:37:31] Voice 4: And if you could just state your name

[0:37:33] Voice 4: and I think the microphone's probably good enough

[0:37:36] Voice 4: that we can pick you up from your yard.

[0:37:39] Voice 9: My name is Gavin Coffin

[0:37:40] Voice 9: and I'm going to speak about an XRCMP patrol vessel

[0:37:45] Voice 9: that has potential for relocation to Dagon Bay.

[0:37:50] Voice 9: We've had numerous derelict vessels in Dagon Bay

[0:37:52] Voice 9: that had to be removed at tax day's expense

[0:37:55] Voice 9: through Transport Canada.

[0:37:56] Voice 9: Canada. Through the community I heard that this ex-RCMP default boat, engine-less, no

[0:38:03] Voice 9: means of propulsion, was going to be towed to Devon Bay, placed on moorings in the Hillgrass

[0:38:08] Voice 9: area and was going to be taking up residence. No one, we don't know who the owner is, they

[0:38:15] Voice 9: haven't come forward with any to the community with a plan or anything like that. The contact,

[0:38:20] Voice 9: I contacted the Vancouver Maritime Museum that were the owners of this vessel.

[0:38:26] Voice 9: They presumably know all the details.

[0:38:29] Voice 9: They won't divulge them.

[0:38:32] Voice 9: It's concerning is all I can say.

[0:38:34] Voice 9: This is actually a course of action.

[0:38:37] Voice 9: Concrete blocks have been placed in the eelgrass area in Degnan Bay, four of them.

[0:38:43] Voice 9: And obviously, this is an environmental concern.

[0:38:46] Voice 9: you know I mean it's a serious matter I think for the community for the environment

[0:38:53] Voice 9: and for derelict vessels as a whole you know I mean this is not not good. Thank you very much

[0:39:03] Voice 4: who else would like to talk to us?

[0:39:06] Voice 8: I'm here on the same matter my name is Brad Nixon and

[0:39:10] Voice 8: and I live on the Merrill Crescent, overlooking Dignan Bay.

[0:39:15] Voice 8: Yeah, we've heard, as Gavin has said, we've heard that this is happening,

[0:39:20] Voice 8: and it's been confirmed to us by the Vancouver Maritime Museum.

[0:39:25] Voice 8: So I've spoken with the executive director,

[0:39:29] Voice 8: who gave me some rather disarming information.

[0:39:33] Voice 8: I asked, first of all, what is the public benefit of this?

[0:39:38] Voice 8: because the application to the museum for the gift of the boat

[0:39:44] Voice 8: required the applicant to state the public benefit.

[0:39:47] Voice 8: And the only public benefit he could identify

[0:39:50] Voice 8: was it would reduce the expenses of the Vancouver Maritime Museum

[0:39:55] Voice 8: in that it no longer had to care for it.

[0:39:59] Voice 8: I asked, well, why aren't you just getting rid of it?

[0:40:03] Voice 8: Why aren't you just selling it for scrap?

[0:40:05] Voice 8: scrap. It has no scrap value, and the cost of going through the process, the legal process

[0:40:12] Voice 8: of having it declared scrap and disposed of exceeds any money they would, well, they wouldn't

[0:40:18] Voice 8: get any money for the boat. It's 58 feet long. So I said, well, we don't know who this person

[0:40:26] Voice 8: is. Can we speak with him? Can you tell us who it is? And I was told he would call him

[0:40:34] Voice 8: him and have him call me. That didn't happen, but he did write back, and he said, the new

[0:40:43] Voice 8: owner plans to repower PV Nadon's propulsion, it's a big cataract, 58 feet long, and make

[0:40:51] Voice 8: her available for marine contract work in the Salish Sea. They hope PV Nadon will also

[0:40:57] Voice 8: be made available for assistance in spill response on the coast to facilitate in marine

[0:41:03] Voice 8: emergencies and in shoal waters. There is also potential for charging contracts

[0:41:08] Voice 8: with marine biology, motion picture work and eco adventure tourism. So it's a

[0:41:17] Voice 8: variety of dreams and wishes and hopes but it appears to us that there's no

[0:41:23] Voice 8: clear plan other than to make a lot of money if possible and this is really not

[0:41:29] Voice 8: not what we envision as being desirable in Dagenham Bay.

[0:41:34] Voice 8: It's close to the shore.

[0:41:35] Voice 8: It's not on the shore.

[0:41:37] Voice 8: But as Gavin says, the concrete blocks, big ones,

[0:41:39] Voice 8: I'm not talking about the little concrete blocks,

[0:41:42] Voice 8: big ones have been dropped there

[0:41:45] Voice 8: and there are little red buoys attached to them

[0:41:48] Voice 8: waiting to receive the boat.

[0:41:51] Voice 8: And if you look at the bylaws for the trust,

[0:41:56] Voice 8: it's not entirely clear,

[0:41:59] Voice 8: but the idea of a commercial industrial use

[0:42:02] Voice 8: really offends the spirit of the bylaw.

[0:42:06] Voice 8: I mean, they do use the words that structures shouldn't be used

[0:42:09] Voice 8: for commercial or industrial purposes.

[0:42:12] Voice 8: Floats can't be used for those purposes and so on and so forth.

[0:42:15] Voice 8: But I can see a potential legal argument going to the courts on this.

[0:42:23] Voice 8: And I think it would be really important for the trust

[0:42:27] Voice 8: to take an advocacy position early on.

[0:42:31] Voice 8: I realize we don't even know who this person is,

[0:42:34] Voice 8: but we've had the plans confirmed both by the museum,

[0:42:38] Voice 8: the executive director of the museum,

[0:42:40] Voice 8: and also the actions of this owner who's having the mocks drop.

[0:42:46] Voice 8: So that's why we're here.

[0:42:48] Voice 8: We want to bring to your attention.

[0:42:49] Voice 8: We hope that the trust can somehow take an advocacy position,

[0:42:53] Voice 8: make a statement that it shouldn't be used.

[0:42:55] Voice 8: the bay well all the water shouldn't be used for commercial or industrial purposes uh without

[0:43:03] Voice 8: i can imagine some specific exemptions i don't know what they are but we need a statement we

[0:43:09] Voice 8: need the trust to take a position so thank you very much for your time thank you very much

[0:43:13] Voice 8: i just should know for the record my daughter and my wife are here

[0:43:20] Voice 4: and have a question a follow-up question all right yes go ahead please um my name is leslie

[0:43:25] Voice 4: beckman i moved to the island permanently um a year ago um my i'm an environmental impact

[0:43:33] Voice 4: assessor and i do a lot of work through the salish sea um and with indigenous communities

[0:43:38] Voice 4: um my question on this one and i will be doing someday and i'm happy to share um with the trust

[0:43:45] Voice 4: when I look at those, the concrete blocks represent a harmful alteration,

[0:43:53] Voice 4: destruction of fish habitat.

[0:43:56] Voice 4: And so my question is, will we to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans,

[0:44:01] Voice 4: whether they've received an application for authorization

[0:44:06] Voice 4: pursuant to the Fisheries Act, because that is illegal grass is critical habitat.

[0:44:11] Voice 4: So that's just more information out.

[0:44:16] Voice 4: Thank you. Anyone else

[0:44:19] Voice 4: that wishes to address us today?

[0:44:24] Voice 4: Well, your comments are important to us and we'll be

[0:44:28] Voice 4: considering as we make our decisions in the rest of the meeting.

[0:44:31] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[0:44:32] Voice 4: Chair Patrick, there is correspondence later.

[0:44:34] Voice 4: Yes.

[0:44:34] Voice 4: I'm not going to deal with that as well.

[0:44:36] Voice 4: I consider it a very serious concern.

[0:44:40] Voice 4: I'm very glad you showed up today. Thank you.

[0:44:43] Voice 8: Thank you. Thank you for the time.

[0:44:45] Voice 4: All right. We're going to carry on with the agenda.

[0:44:47] Voice 4: agenda. So we are moving ahead into the minutes. So we have minutes on page 33, item 7.1 on

[0:45:01] Voice 4: the agenda for the February 2020, 25 minutes. Are there any corrections or changes to those

[0:45:07] Voice 4: minutes? So can we approve those minutes to general consent? Excellent. We have the Advisory

[0:45:18] Voice 4: Planning Commission minutes from the February 12th meeting here for

[0:45:22] Voice 4: receipt. We also have the Housing Advisory Planning Commission

[0:45:26] Voice 4: minutes from March 19 for your receipt.

[0:45:32] Voice 4: So that brings us to item 8.1 on the agenda, which

[0:45:37] Voice 4: is the follow-up action list, which is on page

[0:45:42] Voice 4: 48. Is there any items that

[0:45:47] Voice 4: staff needs to bring to our attention on the follow-up action list?

[0:45:51] Voice 11: So the only thing I'm making sure is they're all complete except one.

[0:45:56] Voice 4: It is exciting. Any questions from trustees on the follow-up action? Just go ahead.

[0:46:02] Voice 4: So then item two on our OCP project, I just don't see the correspondence from

[0:46:12] Voice 4: from those pieces of correspondence

[0:46:15] Voice 4: that would have been posted to the website.

[0:46:20] Voice 4: I'm not sure why, and this is a long ago item,

[0:46:24] Voice 4: but one of them, yeah.

[0:46:27] Voice 4: So do you see that on page 48?

[0:46:30] Voice 4: There's letters about the Fort Worth structures,

[0:46:33] Voice 4: the Fort Worth structures report from Warren,

[0:46:35] Voice 4: a letter regarding dark skies,

[0:46:37] Voice 4: the letter from E. Carrington.

[0:46:38] Voice 4: this is about insecure and unstable housing contributing to illness and

[0:46:45] Voice 4: actually in some cases potentially people died as a result of not having

[0:46:51] Voice 4: adequate housing and these are supposed to be added to the OCP review project

[0:46:56] Voice 4: project file and on the website, and all I see is a few pieces of course, so.

[0:47:03] Voice 3: That's all.

[0:47:14] Voice 4: Yeah, they're in the file, so.

[0:47:15] Voice 3: They're in the visioning one? Oh, thanks.

[0:47:21] Voice 3: Yeah, yeah, okay. And I didn't have any other questions.

[0:47:28] Voice 4: Maybe just a really quick question to staff. On page 49, two of the follow-up action reports,

[0:47:36] Voice 4: the $10,000 of our project budget for engagement with Sninima First Nation,

[0:47:44] Voice 4: how are they dealing with that? Are they doing

[0:47:49] Voice 13: okay with that?

[0:47:49] Voice 4: So I'm working with them. It hasn't been challenging to connect to have meetings because they've been really quite busy.

[0:48:01] Voice 4: There's a person who is leading this work, has a number of things on her plate, but we are consistently trying to identify times that we can connect with each other.

[0:48:15] Voice 4: so there is a consistent connection there so yes so just there's momentum I think of it as a parallel

[0:48:23] Voice 4: project yes yes along with our focus groups and I'm just hoping that it's working

[0:48:29] Voice 4: yeah yeah yeah well we're doing our best to try and find to try and have consistent

[0:48:36] Voice 4: meetings at least so we can we can continue to support the momentum of that piece of it

[0:48:42] Voice 4: it. Any other questions? I apologize. I just found those letters are in the phase one public

[0:48:50] Voice 4: correspondence piece. This is what I'm saying. Our website is already even for me to navigate

[0:48:55] Voice 4: sometimes. It's that stuff. So I apologize, staff. It's all there. Thanks. All right.

[0:49:04] Voice 4: For their comments on the follow-up action list, we'll move into the applications and referrals

[0:49:09] Voice 4: for item 9.1, zoning for Mid-Island Co-op.

[0:49:14] Voice 4: Starts on page 51 of the agenda package.

[0:49:17] Voice 4: And then

[0:49:17] Voice 4: it's over to Planner Buck.

[0:49:20] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:49:20] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:49:21] Voice 11: Well, there's a bylaw and application

[0:49:25] Voice 11: for, and it's a proposal to amend

[0:49:28] Voice 11: both the Regional Official Community Plan

[0:49:30] Voice 11: and land use bylaw to permit pro-queen storage

[0:49:33] Voice 11: the use of 793 Lock and Bar Lane.

[0:49:36] Voice 11: This is a property that's adjacent to the Mid-Island Co-op gas station and it's currently

[0:49:42] Voice 11: zoned institutional too.

[0:49:45] Voice 11: So in addition to the propane storage use, the applicant is requesting that the existing

[0:49:49] Voice 11: use permitted uses be maintained and that's compatible with the property being included

[0:49:55] Voice 11: in the village commercial area.

[0:49:58] Voice 11: And this additional use doesn't require water or sewage.

[0:50:02] Voice 11: The applicant has provided a site plan showing the proposed propane storage tank and enclosure

[0:50:09] Voice 11: and an environmental emergency plan that's specific to the facility.

[0:50:16] Voice 11: Staff are recommending the LTC request staff to draft amendment bylaws to the OCP and the

[0:50:22] Voice 11: land use bylaw, which would also include the property in a development permit area for

[0:50:26] Voice 11: the village center and as well to notify this name impersonation of the application

[0:50:34] Voice 11: and one thing to note about that as well Japan did submit a referral to username impersonation prior

[0:50:40] Voice 11: to applying for their rezoning and they did receive a response back so you have that

[0:50:48] Voice 10: and

[0:50:49] Voice 11: the applicant is here as well their representative is here I

[0:50:52] Voice 10: think is

[0:50:53] Voice 4: there anything you'd like that

[0:50:55] Voice 4: I

[0:50:55] Voice 10: would actually. Hi, my name is Kelly Cartwright. I am an area manager for Mid-Island Co-op.

[0:51:01] Voice 10: I oversee nine gas bars, including the one located on Gabriola. So you have the proposal in front of

[0:51:08] Voice 10: me, but I just wanted to share some background information as to why we are looking to complete

[0:51:14] Voice 10: this. So in addition to the propane that we dispense at the gas bar, we also deliver over

[0:51:20] Voice 10: 400,000 liters of propane per year to our member owners and customers on the island,

[0:51:26] Voice 10: including residents, businesses, and essential island services such as the RCMP and grocery

[0:51:32] Voice 10: store. Technical Safety BC is a governing body that regulates the propane storage tanks.

[0:51:38] Voice 10: In recent years, they've updated some of their regulations, which means our current tank no

[0:51:44] Voice 10: longer meets requirements, specifically in regards to its location and proximity to other

[0:51:50] Voice 10: buildings on the property.

[0:51:53] Voice 10: The tank and its placement were grandfathered, however, this allowance will end at the end

[0:51:57] Voice 10: of this year, meaning at that time, if we have no approved developments in place, we

[0:52:03] Voice 10: will be unable to provide propane home deliveries to the residents.

[0:52:08] Voice 10: Over the past few years, we've looked at some other options, including other suitable properties

[0:52:13] Voice 10: with the correct zoning, though those are few on the island,

[0:52:17] Voice 10: and with the rising cost of land, any options other than what we are proposing

[0:52:22] Voice 10: were just not financially feasible.

[0:52:25] Voice 10: The property located behind the gas bar at 793 Locking Bar Lane

[0:52:29] Voice 10: that is currently zoned Institutional 2 was available for lease

[0:52:33] Voice 10: with no public interest and has sat empty for many years.

[0:52:38] Voice 10: Our zoning amendment proposal, if approved, would allow us to remove the building

[0:52:41] Voice 10: and build a new compound for a propane storage tank

[0:52:44] Voice 10: that meets or exceeds all technical safety BC requirements.

[0:52:48] Voice 10: We understand that this property has become a bit of a community meeting place

[0:52:52] Voice 10: where neighbours and friends enjoy coffees and conversations.

[0:52:56] Voice 10: It is our intention that this compound align with the village aesthetic

[0:53:00] Voice 10: as well as include a seating area so the community can continue to enjoy this space.

[0:53:06] Voice 10: Honestly, our biggest concern is that if this doesn't move forward,

[0:53:10] Voice 10: we're out of options to be able to provide this essential service to the island.

[0:53:15] Voice 10: BC Ferries only has one dangerous goods sailing,

[0:53:18] Voice 10: which means there's logistically no way all of the residents and businesses

[0:53:22] Voice 10: that currently we supply can get off-island vendors

[0:53:26] Voice 10: to bring the propane over that they need.

[0:53:28] Voice 10: So we're asking you to consider that when you're considering our proposal.

[0:53:35] Voice 10: Because again, if we're not approved,

[0:53:37] Voice 10: that means residents could possibly not be able to keep their home, cook their food,

[0:53:42] Voice 10: the grocery store might not be able to stay open and power outages and things like that.

[0:53:49] Voice 3: What was the date?

[0:53:50] Voice 4: Was it the end of the year?

[0:53:52] Voice 4: The end of 2025.

[0:53:55] Voice 4: Trustees, questions for the applicant or the staff?

[0:53:59] Voice 4: I just, I don't know if I heard properly,

[0:54:02] Voice 4: really, but so the lot that it's currently on has a leased, is it a business place or residential?

[0:54:11] Voice 10: The property that we're proposing to housing.

[0:54:14] Voice 10: It is an institutional, it used to be a medical

[0:54:19] Voice 10: building, but it

[0:54:20] Voice 10: sat vacant for quite some time. And generally now it's just being used as storage

[0:54:25] Voice 10: and people sit on the front porch and drink their coffee.

[0:54:29] Voice 4: Okay. So you haven't had any applications

[0:54:31] Voice 4: for leasing that.

[0:54:34] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:54:35] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:54:35] Voice 4: That's all.

[0:54:36] Voice 4: No, it's great.

[0:54:38] Voice 4: And I really appreciate that there might be

[0:54:41] Voice 4: continued use of the seating and hanging out.

[0:54:46] Voice 4: Are there going to be any trees on the property

[0:54:48] Voice 4: or is everything taken down?

[0:54:51] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:54:52] Voice 10: So our plan, there are two trees

[0:54:54] Voice 10: that we are trying very hard in our plans to save.

[0:54:57] Voice 10: There's a spliced plum tree

[0:54:58] Voice 10: that's sitting right in front of the building

[0:55:00] Voice 10: as well as a magnolia tree. So those we are, I know it's not in the rendering that you have,

[0:55:06] Voice 10: but we are planning to keep those and move the compound back slightly. Also any trees that are

[0:55:13] Voice 10: removed for this compound we plan to replant on the property as well. So trying to make it as

[0:55:20] Voice 10: green as possible. I

[0:55:23] Voice 13: have just a couple questions. So Kelly thanks so much for showing up today.

[0:55:26] Voice 13: Do you know whether Technical Safety BC bases its new requirements on earthquake,

[0:55:33] Voice 10: like are

[0:55:34] Voice 10: some of the new regulations based on earthquake possibilities?

[0:55:38] Voice 10: Some of them might.

[0:55:40] Voice 10: The ones that really affect our tank in particular is that now the regulation for distance between

[0:55:47] Voice 10: the tank and the neighboring building where it currently sits, it does not meet standards.

[0:55:52] Voice 10: It would in this new property.

[0:55:57] Voice 10: That used to be my doctor's office.

[0:55:59] Voice 4: Oh, actually.

[0:56:01] Voice 4: And I know that I live in the vapor cloud explosion fireball rent zone.

[0:56:09] Voice 4: It looks so bad.

[0:56:12] Voice 4: Me, my neighbor, and my kids.

[0:56:17] Voice 4: But I love the staff report and the emergency preparedness report.

[0:56:23] Voice 4: I read the whole thing, obviously.

[0:56:25] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:56:25] Voice 4: I'm in that zone.

[0:56:26] Voice 4: I better read that.

[0:56:28] Voice 4: that's great so um despite the the scariness of all that um yeah there's a ton of stuff in there

[0:56:36] Voice 4: for mitigation which i really do appreciate um

[0:56:39] Voice 13: i

[0:56:40] Voice 4: don't have no hesitation in going ahead with the

[0:56:44] Voice 4: the three-step recommendations yeah

[0:56:46] Voice 3: yeah

[0:56:47] Voice 4: so are we ready i'm happy to make the first motion

[0:56:51] Voice 4: i move that the gabriel island local trust committee request staff to prepare draft

[0:56:55] Voice 4: amendments to the Gabriel Island official community

[0:56:58] Voice 13: plan that will include

[0:57:00] Voice 13: lot 42 section 20 every little island in our district plan to do 7 to 3 793 lock

[0:57:07] Voice 13: of our Lane Gabriel Island PID 0 0 2 6 2 3 4 6 3 in the village commercial land

[0:57:16] Voice 13: use designation and

[0:57:17] Voice 4: village center development permit area number 7 sir

[0:57:22] Voice 4: Is there a second?

[0:57:22] Voice 4: Seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[0:57:24] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[0:57:26] Voice 4: Well, I'll call the vote.

[0:57:27] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[0:57:28] Voice 4: And that carries.

[0:57:30] Voice 4: I move the second one.

[0:57:32] Voice 4: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[0:57:34] Voice 4: request staff to draft amendments

[0:57:35] Voice 4: to the Gabriel Island Land User By-law

[0:57:38] Voice 4: to rezone Lot 42, Section 20,

[0:57:40] Voice 4: Gabriel Island and Island District Plan 22-723-793,

[0:57:46] Voice 4: Locke and Bar Lane, Gabriel Island PID 002-623-463

[0:57:51] Voice 4: to a site-specific village commercial zone

[0:57:54] Voice 4: which maintains the existing uses,

[0:57:57] Voice 4: expands principal commercial uses

[0:57:59] Voice 4: consistent with the bylaw amendment application,

[0:58:01] Voice 4: and regulates buildings and structures,

[0:58:03] Voice 4: height, siting requirements, including setbacks,

[0:58:06] Voice 4: lot coverage, parking, and subdivision.

[0:58:08] Voice 4: I'll second.

[0:58:09] Voice 4: Trustee Yates, any discussion?

[0:58:12] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[0:58:13] Voice 4: Also carries.

[0:58:15] Voice 4: I'm happy to move the third recommendation.

[0:58:18] Voice 4: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[0:58:20] Voice 4: committee request

[0:58:21] Voice 13: staff to provide notification

[0:58:22] Voice 13: to Snuneymux First Nation of application PLR Z20240091,

[0:58:31] Voice 13: describing the

[0:58:32] Voice 4: scope of proposed changes

[0:58:33] Voice 4: to the Gabriela official community plan

[0:58:35] Voice 4: and land use fly loft.

[0:58:38] Voice 4: Moved by Trustee Elliot.

[0:58:39] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[0:58:41] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[0:58:42] Voice 4: And that also carries.

[0:58:45] Voice 4: Thank you for coming today, Kelly,

[0:58:46] Voice 4: and we'll see you at the next step.

[0:58:50] Voice 4: Well, I have to say I'm on the XFAC advisory committee, and one of our biggest issues over

[0:58:58] Voice 4: this past year has been the dangerous cargo overloading and not being able to get those

[0:59:02] Voice 4: propane trucks on that.

[0:59:03] Voice 4: So the more storage we have locally, the better off we'll be now.

[0:59:07] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:59:09] Voice 4: All right, trustees, moving along.

[0:59:12] Voice 4: Item 9.2 on the agenda is a temporary use permit.

[0:59:15] Voice 4: permit. It's on page 55 of your agenda, and this is for a lot

[0:59:22] Voice 7: less than 30, so hello.

[0:59:24] Voice 7: So I, this is a temporary use permit renewal. In 2022, the LTC approves a temporary use

[0:59:34] Voice 7: permit for a commercial vacation rental in an accessory dwelling at 1590 Hess Road. The

[0:59:40] Voice 7: applicant has now applied for a three-year renewal of the permit in accordance with the

[0:59:44] Voice 7: land use bylaw temporary use permit guidelines. Staff is

[0:59:48] Voice 7: recommending issuance of the renewal as the operation has

[0:59:51] Voice 7: complied with zoning land use regulations, no formal concerns

[0:59:55] Voice 7: been raised to date, and the commercial rental has operated

[0:59:59] Voice 7: without

[1:00:00] Voice 7: to issues the property is so large rural residential and commercial vacation rentals

[1:00:05] Voice 7: are permitted in this zone with the tup regarding the principal residence requirement the applicant

[1:00:11] Voice 7: confirms that the property is their full-time residence although it wasn't required notification

[1:00:17] Voice 7: was sent out to neighbors within 100 meters and no public feedback has been received as of today

[1:00:25] Voice 7: So based on the application, the compliance history, staff recommend issuing the renewal

[1:00:31] Voice 7: permit.

[1:00:33] Voice 7: There would be some alternatives that you could consider, and that would be requesting

[1:00:38] Voice 7: additional information if needed, altering the length of the permit for one or two years,

[1:00:45] Voice 7: or the length issuance of the permit.

[1:00:49] Voice 4: Right, so I can hear.

[1:00:51] Voice 4: Anything you'd like to add?

[1:00:53] Voice 4: um

[1:00:53] Voice 13: just when you said one five nine zero it should be one five nine one

[1:00:58] Voice 3: okay that's all

[1:01:00] Voice 13: that's all right

[1:01:01] Voice 5: sorry all right excuse me the street location for the

[1:01:09] Voice 5: rental was uh n599

[1:01:17] Voice 5: that

[1:01:18] Voice 13: is correct on our yeah we did that which is the garbage can thing

[1:01:23] Voice 3: right

[1:01:28] Voice 4: any questions and trustees for stopping the outreach um i'm satisfied with all the

[1:01:36] Voice 4: information and would be happy to reissue or um we call it renew the temporary permit

[1:01:46] Voice 4: But the one thing that caught my eye, and this is, this is something we've been asking all temporary permit holders to sort of update the information about First Nations presence on the island.

[1:01:59] Voice 4: And so I recognize that in your house rules, you've got information about the Mississauga territories and First Nations, that's really great.

[1:02:10] Voice 4: And that you're asking people to be respectful of the peoples.

[1:02:13] Voice 4: But what caught me was, at the end of it, you read,

[1:02:17] Voice 4: for more information on the Sinema First Nation Peoples of Gabriela,

[1:02:21] Voice 4: we encourage you to visit the Gabriela Museum.

[1:02:23] Voice 4: And that gave me pause because it makes me think that this is a historical people

[1:02:29] Voice 4: that their presence sort of is curated in the museum.

[1:02:34] Voice 4: And while our Gabriela Museum has wonderful information developed

[1:02:38] Voice 4: could we maybe encourage you to to work on the language a little bit maybe you could direct

[1:02:47] Voice 4: people to the synonymic website where they are you know speaking about their own people and their

[1:02:53] Voice 4: presence in the territory a museum directing people to a museum just makes it seem like

[1:02:59] Voice 4: they're an artifact which is still very much present and here and in the territory so like

[1:03:05] Voice 4: We

[1:03:06] Voice 13: did train. We went to the museum initially to find out, hey, what should we do, how should we do this kind of thing,

[1:03:14] Voice 4: but that was all what we came up with.

[1:03:16] Voice 4: Yeah, and this is constantly

[1:03:18] Voice 4: evolving and growing, so we're all learning together. This is not in any way, it's just we're trying to adapt our language so that it's very inclusive and recognizing there's still a very strong presence here.

[1:03:31] Voice 4: would it be

[1:03:32] Voice 4: possible to get that um well you can go

[1:03:36] Voice 1: to their website yeah their website

[1:03:38] Voice 4: and you could probably pull anything in which they describe themselves their their heritage and

[1:03:49] Voice 4: and traditions yeah um okay i think we've seen some really good ones coming forward recently

[1:03:55] Voice 4: and so just as people renew their leases we're asking you to keep renewing our um

[1:04:00] Voice 4: the education information we're providing to visitors so thank you so much i have no other

[1:04:07] Voice 4: questions yeah and i would say the same as trustee elliot

[1:04:09] Voice 13: i just have one quick question from staff

[1:04:11] Voice 13: because one of the things i always look

[1:04:14] Voice 4: at when we do either a renewal or a new temporary use

[1:04:17] Voice 4: permit is how many active um short-term vacation rentals legal are in in that same neighborhood

[1:04:25] Voice 4: And I know at one point, Planner Tamayda kind of included that on the checklist.

[1:04:31] Voice 4: So on the checklist, there's, you know, the local trust committee should consider the cumulative effects on the neighborhood and the island of all TDPs, which I like to do.

[1:04:44] Voice 4: And it says there's currently six, including this one, which is great.

[1:04:48] Voice 4: But I always want to know, what about in this neighborhood, in this water catchment sort of area, are there any others?

[1:04:55] Voice 4: I didn't pull

[1:04:56] Voice 13: a map, I just pulled a number, so

[1:04:58] Voice 7: I'm not sure.

[1:05:00] Voice 4: Okay, so

[1:05:00] Voice 4: just an alert to staff, that's something I'm always going to ask for, is how many in that general neighborhood, I think Stephen would be able to pull up the map here, right?

[1:05:12] Voice 4: Yeah, which star

[1:05:14] Voice 11: would it be, Marlon?

[1:05:15] Voice 11: It's the moon's head.

[1:05:18] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:05:19] Voice 11: I can tell you, probably none within many kilometers.

[1:05:24] Voice 4: Okay, great.

[1:05:26] Voice 11: and

[1:05:26] Voice 4: even if there were,

[1:05:27] Voice 4: wouldn't necessarily alter my thoughts,

[1:05:31] Voice 4: just good to know, yeah.

[1:05:33] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:05:35] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[1:05:36] Voice 4: Comment, just to share some information with staff.

[1:05:38] Voice 4: Last spring, we had a recent meeting with ministry staff

[1:05:41] Voice 4: on the Short-Term Rental Accommodation Act,

[1:05:43] Voice 4: and they did mention they're working

[1:05:45] Voice 4: with some municipalities that have temporary use permits

[1:05:47] Voice 4: instead of business licenses to make the registry work

[1:05:50] Voice 4: in collaboration with that.

[1:05:51] Voice 4: So just a heads up,

[1:05:53] Voice 4: you might want to ask if there's opportunities there to um help on that there are no further

[1:06:02] Voice 4: questions i'm happy to make the motion and thank you um planner mccarter for this really comprehensive

[1:06:09] Voice 4: report so appreciative of that so

[1:06:11] Voice 13: i move that the gabriel island local test committee approve

[1:06:14] Voice 13: Prove issuance of PLTUP 2024-0310, a renewal of GBTUP 2022.2,

[1:06:24] Voice 4: for a period of three years.

[1:06:26] Voice 4: Second.

[1:06:27] Voice 4: Trustee Elliott, any discussion?

[1:06:29] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[1:06:32] Voice 4: And that carries.

[1:06:35] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[1:06:36] Voice 4: Thank you for coming.

[1:06:38] Voice 4: Yeah, I didn't mean to send you some info or help.

[1:06:43] Voice 13: We'll be through.

[1:06:44] Voice 13: Thanks.

[1:06:46] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:06:46] Voice 4: Have you had it all right on the registry and things through the premise?

[1:06:50] Voice 4: It's all right.

[1:06:51] Voice 4: Yeah, the registry.

[1:06:52] Voice 4: That's all.

[1:06:58] Voice 5: You are

[1:07:00] Voice 4: not alone. You're not alone. We heard that question asked by many people at the

[1:07:05] Voice 4: I didn't get to see you last week, so.

[1:07:07] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:07:09] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:07:10] Voice 4: Take care.

[1:07:12] Voice 4: All right.

[1:07:13] Voice 4: Moving on, we have 9.3.

[1:07:15] Voice 4: This is a development permit.

[1:07:19] Voice 4: Page 190 of the stock report.

[1:07:23] Just doing that

[1:07:25] Voice 7: again.

[1:07:28] Voice 7: All right.

[1:07:28] Voice 7: All right, so this is a development permit application,

[1:07:31] Voice 7: PNDP 2025-0069,

[1:07:35] Voice 7: nine and this is an application for the removal of a single tree within development permit area

[1:07:40] Voice 7: six the escarpment areas dp due to slope sensitivity so the purpose of this development

[1:07:47] Voice 7: permit area is to protect development from natural hazards like slope instability erosion and land

[1:07:52] Voice 7: slippage staff are recommending that the gabriella ltc approve issuance of the development permit

[1:07:59] Voice 7: and staff are also recommending that the ltc add a comprehensive review and update of the mapping

[1:08:05] Voice 7: objectives and guidelines for DP6 to the future projects list. So the subject

[1:08:11] Voice 7: property is zoned small rural residential and contains slopes greater

[1:08:15] Voice 7: than 80%. The applicant proposes to remove one immature Douglas fir

[1:08:20] Voice 7: tree at the crest of the slope. They provided a geotechnical field review

[1:08:25] Voice 7: which is a package conducted in October of 2004 and that concluded that there's

[1:08:32] Voice 7: no negative impacts on slope stability and that tree removal may actually benefit slope stability

[1:08:38] Voice 7: by preventing root invasion into bedrock fractures. So the application aligns with both of the

[1:08:44] Voice 7: objectives in DP6 and the specific guidelines in the land use bylaw. This application meets the

[1:08:51] Voice 7: guidelines but staff are recommending a broader review of DP6. The existing mapping is outdated

[1:08:59] Voice 7: and it's not compatible with GIS.

[1:09:01] Voice 7: And the current guidelines focus only on slope instability.

[1:09:05] Voice 7: So considerations could be for the broader environmental

[1:09:09] Voice 7: and heritage considerations

[1:09:11] Voice 7: that could be added in the future.

[1:09:14] Voice 7: The staff are suggesting that DP6 be updated

[1:09:17] Voice 7: to the future project list

[1:09:20] Voice 7: or possibly including it in scope

[1:09:24] Voice 7: for the current major OCP project,

[1:09:28] Voice 7: So I

[1:09:30] Voice 13: have a quick question on exactly that because I wrote it down here.

[1:09:33] Voice 13: I thought we were already doing a complete DP review when we do our OCP review.

[1:09:40] Voice 13: So I would automatically, absolutely, for sure want to see this added to our OCP project.

[1:09:47] Voice 13: So I'm not sure whether we need to also

[1:09:52] Voice 4: ask for it to have a separate review here.

[1:09:54] Voice 4: here. So maybe signer Chadwick, can you comment on that?

[1:10:00] Voice 4: Um, yeah, yes. A DP review is part of the OCP project. Yeah.

[1:10:05] Voice 4: And of course, it went into DP six, right? Yeah. And this

[1:10:08] Voice 4: would come up several times, actually, this particular DP,

[1:10:12] Voice 4: like, Oh, my God, we have to get out, we had added it already.

[1:10:14] Voice 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, it's been a part of the discussion, at

[1:10:19] Voice 4: at least, I mean, specifically the project charter, specifically the project charter

[1:10:26] Voice 4: as well. I mean, there's questions related to that as well, though, that we can talk

[1:10:32] Voice 4: a bit more about, and that is, you know, do you want an OCP and then the DPs? Because

[1:10:37] Voice 4: the DPs could take several years. So there is an opportunity to, well, it's the environment

[1:10:46] Voice 4: meeting we're having next week we we we have a number of model i'm going to get so i'm getting

[1:10:51] Voice 4: off the topic here we've got the

[1:10:53] Voice 7: ocp let's talk about the ocp project yeah

[1:10:55] Voice 3: we're

[1:10:56] Voice 7: just making a

[1:10:57] Voice 7: point to highlight it anytime we get a development permit application for dp6 so it's included in

[1:11:03] Voice 7: this ocp project great if not i think you're marked for the future projects list

[1:11:12] Voice 4: i'm concerned like because this is not the first time it's come up with a current application

[1:11:17] Voice 4: and you know it's immediately clear that this dp is out of date so i'm concerned that if we

[1:11:23] Voice 4: what we said we were going to do is just put it in with the ocp review and then the land use

[1:11:28] Voice 4: file our review i'm really concerned that it could be years before we get to this does this

[1:11:33] Voice 4: speed it up at all i was going to actually make a suggestion too because it turns out

[1:11:38] Voice 4: salt spring our steep slope is tremendously out of date because i thought it was always based on

[1:11:46] Voice 4: LIDAR or something like that, but it was a guy driving around a pickup truck

[1:11:50] Voice 4: buying it. That's Steve. I'm like, oh my. So there's opportunities

[1:11:54] Voice 4: I think to also consider bringing this to the attention of the Regional Planning

[1:11:58] Voice 4: Committee as budgets are being pulled together and he thinks for next

[1:12:02] Voice 4: term already that a wider

[1:12:07] Voice 4: it's usually done on GIS system and LIDAR

[1:12:10] Voice 4: and different ways that maybe other islands could benefit with a

[1:12:13] Voice 4: um trust why

[1:12:15] Voice 13: well or at

[1:12:16] Voice 4: least what's reasonable i don't know how many islands have the same

[1:12:19] Voice 4: challenge but i know salt spring does i don't know what others are in the same category

[1:12:24] Voice 4: um at least it should be considered there's efficiencies yeah we should seek them but um

[1:12:30] Voice 4: any other questions here go ahead trustee so i know there's two development permit violations

[1:12:36] Voice 4: your file from 2012 and 2023 um are there any trees left on the slope and this is just

[1:12:44] Voice 4: sort of the last one left to be cut down for you i don't see much there

[1:13:03] Voice 6: you're

[1:13:03] Voice 4: just in time we just heard from staff is there anything you'd like to add on your

[1:13:08] Voice 4: application here?

[1:13:09] Voice 6: I don't know. There's plenty of trees on that slope. This is the one that I was talking about.

[1:13:17] Voice 6: But how

[1:13:18] Voice 4: many other trees were removed that brought this to the attention of

[1:13:27] Voice 4: as an EV violation or an EV violation?

[1:13:31] Voice 6: What happened was we had some trees moved around the property that were not on the slope but at the same time

[1:13:35] Voice 6: I have lawyers just talk that this particular tree and not knowing that that was a wide ratio of time and one officer came by and talked about it and so since then I've gone through the process to get them talking.

[1:13:50] Voice 4: Oh, excellent. Thank you. So it's a problematic tree.

[1:13:53] Voice 4: All right. I don't have any other questions.

[1:13:56] Voice 4: We can tell that when it was talked it turned into a shrub.

[1:13:59] Voice 4: I know we don't have any questions for the questions we'd like to proceed at least the

[1:14:06] Voice 4: first one that's the second one I can do that so I move that the Gabriel I'm a local trust

[1:14:11] Voice 4: Gabriel Highlands local trust committee approved issuance of development permit PLDP 2025-0069

[1:14:18] Voice 4: I'll second that okay any discussion all of them all those in favor that carries

[1:14:25] Voice 4: I would like to do a second one here. I still at least like you to bring it to regional planning committees.

[1:14:31] Voice 4: You can proceed how you think you would like to, but if you could bring it to regional planning committees.

[1:14:35] Voice 4: I mean,

[1:14:36] Voice 3: Gabriel

[1:14:39] Voice 4: and Steep Slope DP is a particular problem.

[1:14:42] Voice 4: It's very badly done. But I don't know if there's going to be a regional project.

[1:14:48] Voice 4: It should be on shorelines. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree.

[1:14:53] Voice 4: I'm just saying, though, if the money has to be spent to purchase the LIDAR and do the

[1:14:59] Voice 4: analysis, we should at least look at, is there any efficiencies by doing that on other islands?

[1:15:05] Voice 4: That's only my question.

[1:15:08] Voice 4: I would hope we would always do that as a standard practice at the Amherst Trust, but

[1:15:12] Voice 4: I don't know.

[1:15:13] Voice 4: So here's a question for Steph.

[1:15:15] Voice 4: If we make the second recommendation, we'll at least have noted how important it is, but

[1:15:21] Voice 4: it'll be on a future projects list which is you know you know we already know it's part of our

[1:15:27] Voice 4: official community plan review but as you point out that could be years too what's the fastest

[1:15:33] Voice 13: and most efficient way to deal with dp6 okay

[1:15:41] Voice 4: so yeah so here i go into the the the dp part of it

[1:15:44] Voice 4: um so the problem with the g so there's two problems um one is the mapping and one is that

[1:15:54] Voice 4: that there's no guidance, essentially, we do have a model

[1:15:57] Voice 4: guidelines. And so I'm part of the OCD. So when we get to, and

[1:16:04] Voice 4: I can, I can talk a little bit more in the OCP section, but

[1:16:07] Voice 4: there's an opportunity to, to use our model guidelines that we

[1:16:13] Voice 4: have that have been reviewed. There are ones that are based on

[1:16:16] Voice 4: other islands, our regional planning manager and staff

[1:16:21] Voice 4: staff person, who work a lot with DPAs and gone through and created these models. So we can use

[1:16:29] Voice 4: the models with the existing, we can use, and that's an easy process. That's part of, that can

[1:16:34] Voice 4: be part of an OCP process. That's an easier to do process. I mean, I imagine that you're going to

[1:16:42] Voice 4: have to make a decision around whether you want to go with the quick ones and move the OCP forward

[1:16:48] Voice 4: and work on some of the others because some of the other ones will require, and again, at this point, it hasn't been decided what the other DPAs might be.

[1:16:57] Voice 4: But in this case, it's fairly straightforward. There's an opportunity to use the guidelines with existing mapping, unless we know of other mapping that exists that we can use.

[1:17:08] Voice 4: the actual mapping is this is where the time consuming and the costly piece comes as if you

[1:17:15] Voice 4: want to start to create map in the various and that is something that would have to be

[1:17:25] Voice 4: considered in terms of the length of time that might take

[1:17:33] Voice 4: I'm not in favor of adding it to the future projects list because I remember that it was

[1:17:37] Voice 4: was added and then it was taken off and added to the scope of the OCP project so I don't I I do see

[1:17:43] Voice 4: the utility of doing this one steep slope I would say if we're going to focus on DP areas it's going

[1:17:51] Voice 4: to be groundwater and shorelines uh steep slope if we've got a model for it then that can be

[1:18:00] Voice 4: maybe the end of the list, but it's about protecting development.

[1:18:05] Voice 4: So I'm less interested in working on it.

[1:18:09] Voice 7: Well, you're considering.

[1:18:10] Voice 7: It could be about more than that, I guess,

[1:18:12] Voice 7: more as well as saying it could be about consideration

[1:18:14] Voice 7: and environmental.

[1:18:15] Voice 7: Like it could be, and then perhaps the moral one is.

[1:18:20] Voice 4: Yeah. So I would say, so like as part of the OCP,

[1:18:24] Voice 4: so we do DPA review is part of the OCP.

[1:18:28] Voice 4: redoing them all and doing all redoing all the mapping and all of those sorts of things is there are parts to this that you'll have to decide how you want to prioritize yeah um

[1:18:40] Voice 4: but as part of this process i'll be able to provide with provide to you um what what your options are like where we've got where we've got the guidelines where we've got mapping that you

[1:18:53] Voice 4: know new mapping will have been mapping for the groundwater for example so

[1:18:57] Voice 4: So I think it's right to say it's still part of the OCP process.

[1:19:07] Voice 4: I don't think you're not going to lose anything in terms of looking at how this is dealt with as part of that.

[1:19:13] Voice 4: But there is a decision-making point in that process to decide how you want to deal with each one and whether you want new ones.

[1:19:22] Voice 4: yeah yeah and actually you and i have talked about whether other sources of funding might

[1:19:28] Voice 4: be available if there was sort of a uh you know a freshwater focused eps real estate foundation

[1:19:35] Voice 4: or something or a community a broader community process or something so i we still need to look

[1:19:43] Voice 4: at the long range of this ocp review it's not going to be one of that it's like okay there's

[1:19:48] Voice 4: other parts that we've got to figure out to get to finish but okay i'm glad that this is part of

[1:19:54] Voice 4: that scope yeah enough other questions i still think the mapping could be brought to attention

[1:20:00] Voice 4: because i think why there's other islands that the mapping issue is challenging do you think there it

[1:20:07] Voice 4: would be useful to have a

[1:20:07] Voice 13: notion to bring it to the attention of the regional planning committee

[1:20:10] Voice 13: i don't

[1:20:10] Voice 4: think it hurts to about you know police seeking opportunities to occur mapping because

[1:20:16] Voice 4: Because I think the more that committee knows of the overall needs,

[1:20:20] Voice 4: the more it can help structure those, find those efficiencies.

[1:20:25] Voice 4: So that's my hope of how that committee should work.

[1:20:28] Voice 4: Can we think about it and then maybe make that motion during the OC,

[1:20:32] Voice 4: when we have that conversation?

[1:20:34] Voice 4: You can find

[1:20:35] Voice 4: something, but a bit.

[1:20:39] Voice 4: Unless you're, no, no.

[1:20:41] Voice 4: So then we'll just hold off on this and come back to it later.

[1:20:44] Voice 4: So then we're done with this one.

[1:20:46] Voice 4: Now, did you want to move on to break?

[1:20:48] Voice 4: would you prefer us to move on to the ocp while we have you um there's this so that you can um

[1:20:53] Voice 4: are people needing like a break because i'm trying to keep going i don't think you'll have

[1:20:58] Voice 4: a break before your next good meeting yeah so it works fine all right and we're going to keep on

[1:21:03] Voice 4: plugging away here and go to item 10.1 the agenda which is the major project starts on page 206 of

[1:21:12] Voice 4: your agenda packet but over to you all right thank you um chair patrick's the first time

[1:21:22] Voice 4: i've been here with you um yeah so i yeah it's really nice to be here on the island today

[1:21:29] Voice 4: so it's good to connect with uh with gabriela so i'm just appreciating that um so last uh it was

[1:21:38] Voice 4: at the last special meeting um which was focused i think was a connectivity i think we were looking

[1:21:45] Voice 4: at parks and trails and such but we had further conversation around the engagement process

[1:21:53] Voice 4: and um you trustees were beginning to have some some dialogue and questions around um

[1:22:01] Voice 4: next steps in the engagement and what that would look like and so this report is presented to you

[1:22:08] Voice 4: as an opportunity to to have a bit of a conversation and um and to really understand

[1:22:13] Voice 4: um what you what you're interested in in terms of moving forward and also to identify some of the um

[1:22:20] Voice 4: the implications uh around different options and essentially there's there's sort of two bucket

[1:22:27] Voice 4: uh there's all actually let me just go through um where we've been so that everybody's on the

[1:22:34] Voice 4: So, so, so far, our engagement process on the second phase of engagement, our first

[1:22:42] Voice 4: phase was a visioning process.

[1:22:43] Voice 4: This has been more focused on very specific topics.

[1:22:47] Voice 4: So it's included sharing discussion guidelines on topics.

[1:22:53] Voice 4: We've had some social media posts and we posted on our website.

[1:22:57] Voice 4: We have discussion guides for each topic so people can have a look.

[1:23:01] Voice 4: We've got a, we've had a survey out since November, which closes at the, I think the

[1:23:07] Voice 4: first was May, we've extended it to the first May.

[1:23:09] Voice 4: It's the 15th.

[1:23:10] Voice 4: 15th of May, yes, perfect.

[1:23:12] Voice 4: That's great.

[1:23:13] Voice 4: Yeah, so that's been extended, and so far, I think we're in the upper 200s when I last

[1:23:20] Voice 4: looked, so we're looking pretty good, because it's a fairly lengthy survey, and there's

[1:23:27] Voice 4: actually some very, very great feedback that's coming back from that.

[1:23:31] Voice 4: We've scheduled focus meetings for the themes of housing, economy, connectivity, resource

[1:23:38] Voice 4: stewardship, fresh water environment.

[1:23:40] Voice 4: So we have a fresh water environment, fresh water's happening today, environment's happening

[1:23:45] Voice 4: next Thursday.

[1:23:46] Voice 4: And as I said before, these have been very good.

[1:23:50] Voice 4: We've had a very good mix of folks, invitations have gone out to folks that have been in groups

[1:23:59] Voice 4: that the trustees have identified and we've also people that have found have

[1:24:05] Voice 4: connected and been interested in the focus groups have also had the

[1:24:10] Voice 4: opportunity to be engaged with them and I would say we're trying to be very

[1:24:19] Voice 4: focused so at each focus group we're providing draft language for violence a

[1:24:25] Voice 4: draft language for goals and objectives, and policies. And

[1:24:31] Voice 4: that's been a really good way at identifying very clearly what

[1:24:35] Voice 4: the role of the of the of the the OCP for Gabriel is that it

[1:24:42] Voice 4: is legal document document that the quality dark focus on land

[1:24:46] Voice 4: use. And it's been great because we've got we're trying to try

[1:24:50] Voice 4: to find those little nuggets that that have that we haven't

[1:24:53] Voice 4: lot and it's been really great in in gathering that um uh you know example being um the importance

[1:25:01] Voice 4: of um sports fields and thinking about the sports fields as an amenity for example so

[1:25:06] Voice 4: things like that little little bits and pieces that are coming out that have been really great

[1:25:10] Voice 4: um um and uh and then being able to focus with the LTC on on each topic it's been very helpful

[1:25:18] Voice 4: So, the plan at this point is to wrap up all that feedback that we've gathered, as well

[1:25:29] Voice 4: as the survey feedback, create another iteration of the policies, and then put them out to

[1:25:34] Voice 4: the community for the next phase of engagement.

[1:25:38] Voice 4: engagement. So that engagement, I've identified some basic, basic steps. And these can be

[1:25:47] Voice 4: discussed and added to potentially community orientation to the next phase, whatever that

[1:25:53] Voice 4: might look like, it could be a zoom meeting, it could be a larger meeting, it could be

[1:25:56] Voice 4: just information on the website. The sharing of community profiles, a community profile,

[1:26:07] Voice 4: file which has been put together and that's basically all the background information on

[1:26:12] Voice 4: what on Gabriela so all of the discussion guides are essentially going to be put together with some

[1:26:18] Voice 4: additional information into like a 15-page community profile which can potentially be

[1:26:25] Voice 4: updated every time you get a new census data so there could potentially be an ongoing

[1:26:37] Voice 4: So question on that point, community information profile, that's a compilation of all the discussion

[1:26:45] Voice 4: guides or data that we've got so far, and has this been done before?

[1:26:51] Voice 4: Because I'm trying to think if I've ever seen that.

[1:26:54] Voice 4: So in our files, we have community profile that were done in the 90s.

[1:26:58] Voice 4: So not since then, at least not in our system.

[1:27:02] Voice 4: So this would be sort of not a companion to the OCP, but it kind of is a companion to the OCP.

[1:27:09] Voice 4: So what we observed is that a lot of this data is like in the OCP.

[1:27:14] Voice 4: Yeah. And again, so we're moving from and what if you have in step in the every time you update your OCP,

[1:27:20] Voice 4: you know, you sort of go through a process and it's better to keep the policies sort of the legal part.

[1:27:28] Voice 4: this is this is the approach we're taking is that is to have this and this is also something that's

[1:27:35] Voice 4: been observed that a number of other communities do is they have a community profile that

[1:27:40] Voice 4: identifies all the information yeah the background you know on the island a bit of history and all

[1:27:47] Voice 4: of that yeah

[1:27:48] Voice 4: and then the ocp can refer to it and then that what that does is it it provides

[1:27:54] Voice 4: more flexibility and update the community profile all the time.

[1:27:57] Voice 3: Right.

[1:27:59] Voice 4: And we were, we took advantage of our co-op student's time,

[1:28:05] Voice 4: Duane, to put that together.

[1:28:09] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:28:09] Voice 4: So, I mean, it's a bit of, I mean, I feel like the Gabriola,

[1:28:14] Voice 4: this process is a bit of a test case for a few different things

[1:28:20] Voice 4: that we haven't done before.

[1:28:21] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:28:21] Voice 13: So the information guides, Nersa, we did get a note from you, I think it was yesterday or the day before, on some of the

[1:28:27] Voice 4: inconsistencies and possible errors.

[1:28:29] Voice 4: And so those will all be fixed before any more go out.

[1:28:34] Voice 4: Yeah, I mean, it's on the website and we will address those.

[1:28:43] Voice 4: So we're working towards the completion of the focus group engagement.

[1:28:47] Voice 4: engagement. Basically, our last one will be next week, on Thursday of next week environment.

[1:28:53] Voice 4: And that that they're, they're restricted to 12 small groups, and we have it in our

[1:29:00] Voice 4: in the boardroom at the ILS Trust Office. And we do have that was cool. We do have waiting

[1:29:07] Voice 4: lists though. And we do have people that are mentioning that they're on the night.

[1:29:11] Voice 4: I think I sent you a note late last night. Sorry, because you did ask us about

[1:29:16] Voice 4: Yes, I thought about that, yeah, because there's ways we could pay them that a bit.

[1:29:22] Voice 4: Yeah, totally. Yeah, we can adjust. Yeah.

[1:29:27] Voice 4: Um, yeah, so that's a bit of the background.

[1:29:29] Voice 4: And that's, yeah, so we, the next steps here are, you know, we've got our, we've got a special meeting.

[1:29:39] Voice 4: I think it's on the 22nd of May to review the water and the environment, what came out

[1:29:49] Voice 4: of the focus groups.

[1:29:50] Voice 4: And I'm also including what's coming out of the survey at that meeting.

[1:29:54] Voice 4: Um, so after that, um...

[1:30:00] Voice 4: the plan, the idea in our heads, at least,

[1:30:03] Voice 4: that we need to make sure that you guys are supporting,

[1:30:08] Voice 4: that we will bring, we will revise each one of those

[1:30:15] Voice 4: topic area policies, goals, and objectives,

[1:30:19] Voice 4: and bring them back to you to sort of endorse

[1:30:24] Voice 4: to put out for further engagement.

[1:30:26] Voice 4: engagement. So when I've sketched out two options, the four options kind of fit in two

[1:30:35] Voice 4: buckets. One is that process that I'm talking to you about right now is where we

[1:30:42] Voice 4: collect up everything that we've got. And then, and then, you know, the vision, the

[1:30:49] Voice 4: hope is that by summer, by July, we've got your endorsement in the next iteration to

[1:30:54] Voice 4: to go for public engagement.

[1:30:56] Voice 4: That's option one and two.

[1:30:59] Voice 4: So just pause there for a second.

[1:31:01] Voice 4: So this would not be first meeting.

[1:31:03] Voice 4: No, this would be draft policies.

[1:31:06] Voice 4: So at June LTC meeting, we would review what has,

[1:31:11] Voice 4: you've drafted based on focus groups and the surveys

[1:31:14] Voice 4: and all that information.

[1:31:16] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:31:16] Voice 4: And that would be public engagement through July and August.

[1:31:21] Voice 4: Correct.

[1:31:21] Voice 4: And I would call this draft, draft, draft, draft.

[1:31:25] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:31:26] Voice 4: What we're putting out here is draft, draft, draft.

[1:31:28] Voice 3: So

[1:31:29] Voice 4: this is draft, draft.

[1:31:30] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:31:30] Voice 4: Because at the end of the summer engagement,

[1:31:35] Voice 4: the hope would be that we would gather the additional

[1:31:41] Voice 4: and do another iteration and clean it up.

[1:31:44] Voice 4: And then you're getting what is looking like a full OCP draft.

[1:31:49] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:31:50] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:31:50] Voice 4: And then the next stage of engagement on that before you go to this meeting.

[1:31:55] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:31:56] Voice 4: that's the that's the sort of thinking at this point in time.

[1:31:59] Voice 4: And that's what I sort of tried to sketch out in the timeline here on the page 200, something else.

[1:32:09] I've got it on

[1:32:10] Voice 4: the next. Yeah, that other timeline.

[1:32:15] Voice 4: yeah anyways um so like i said that option one and option two fall in like sort of bucket one

[1:32:22] Voice 4: and options which is that process that i've just explained and option three and four are

[1:32:28] Voice 4: are if you because there was some conversation around more focus groups this and that so um

[1:32:35] Voice 4: option three and four, that's if you want to go out again

[1:32:41] Voice 4: and have another draft before you have a draft.

[1:32:46] Voice 4: And that would extend the timelines significantly.

[1:32:53] Voice 4: And I would also, I would say that I don't think that that,

[1:32:58] Voice 4: I don't know that the value add is that much more

[1:33:02] Voice 4: for that approach.

[1:33:04] Voice 4: so those are the options any questions you have on the options I have a

[1:33:11] Voice 4: question on recommendation number three yeah so you're suggesting schedule of

[1:33:16] Voice 4: community information and there's a word missing their meeting would that be the

[1:33:21] Voice 4: the same as the special meetings we've had on each.

[1:33:27] Voice 4: Okay, so I'm just gonna see what it is.

[1:33:30] Voice 4: About the fresh water, but it's

[1:33:31] Voice 5: not a special meeting.

[1:33:33] Voice 4: Oh, right, that would be this year.

[1:33:35] Voice 4: It's the check.

[1:33:36] Voice 13: As we already have one scheduled for May 22nd, right?

[1:33:40] Voice 4: Well, this would be a community meeting.

[1:33:42] Voice 4: Oh, okay, community information meeting.

[1:33:44] Voice 4: Okay, not the special meeting, okay.

[1:33:46] Voice 4: Yeah, special meeting that is to look at the water.

[1:33:49] Voice 4: probably this would be um yeah so that that um that is and that is also connected to the fresh

[1:33:56] Voice 4: water the gabriel so thanks for bringing that up because i hadn't brought that up yet so

[1:34:03] Voice 4: that's it's a parallel but also integrated

[1:34:07] Voice 3: piece

[1:34:08] Voice 4: of all of this so and today we have

[1:34:12] Voice 4: we have our water focus group the majority of that um of that is focused on the draft

[1:34:19] Voice 4: policies but there's also the footprint work which is happening and so that group will be

[1:34:24] Voice 4: introduced to the footprint work there's going to be three set three different meetings related

[1:34:30] Voice 4: very specifically to the gabriela footprint work uh one that'll be very focused on on water

[1:34:37] Voice 4: monitoring and understanding the water conditions on gabriela beyond the princess

[1:34:42] Voice 4: And then there's, there'll be two other workshops related to the footprint, the Gabriela footprint

[1:34:51] Voice 4: work.

[1:34:52] Voice 4: There's also a separate survey right now related to the Gabriela footprint work.

[1:34:57] Voice 4: And that's, that I think very focused questions around water consumption and water use.

[1:35:03] Voice 4: Doesn't that one end today?

[1:35:06] Voice 4: Does that one not end today?

[1:35:08] Voice 4: The water, I think we extended the deadline on that one too.

[1:35:12] Voice 4: Yeah, to give people more time. I think we extend it to the end of the month.

[1:35:16] Voice 4: That one might be May 1st. It's the OCP one.

[1:35:21] Voice 4: I should

[1:35:22] Voice 4: check that on the website so that we can

[1:35:26] Voice 4: have some further questions.

[1:35:31] Voice 4: Yes, I could start us off. So because we haven't

[1:35:35] Voice 4: met in a formal way, but we've had these focused special meetings

[1:35:39] Voice 4: and then Susan and I have drop-in sessions.

[1:35:42] Voice 4: and I've been meeting with other community members

[1:35:45] Voice 4: just to hear their input.

[1:35:48] Voice 4: The process is still a challenge for some people to engage.

[1:35:55] Voice 4: And I would identify at least three things

[1:35:58] Voice 4: that we're going to have to figure out.

[1:36:01] Voice 4: Survey fatigue and the Healthcare Foundation

[1:36:04] Voice 4: is going to do more engagement this summer.

[1:36:07] Voice 4: I'm struggling to get the survey link to people

[1:36:11] Voice 4: and just people just don't know that this project is even happening despite

[1:36:16] Voice 4: all the ads despite that we've been talking about it for two years so survey

[1:36:21] Voice 4: fatigue I don't want to do another survey but there's going there is a

[1:36:29] Voice 4: demonstrated need for more more time to review the documents before we get to

[1:36:42] Voice 4: drafting policies. And so I'm going to try to strike a middle ground between your option

[1:36:48] Voice 4: one, two bucket and three, four buckets, which borrow something from both. We need to see,

[1:36:57] Voice 4: I think community members need to see something written to give feedback on. The focus groups

[1:37:03] Voice 4: are great for generating new information. What do we not know that the community can

[1:37:08] Voice 4: can tell us and that's great on specific topics on specific topics but to have let's have more

[1:37:17] Voice 4: focus group meetings in different combinations i think is going to confuse everything because

[1:37:23] Voice 4: people don't know what they're giving feedback on it's not there's not yet a draft to give

[1:37:29] Voice 4: any constructive comments so i'm not in favor of more focus group meetings although we did talk in

[1:37:36] Voice 4: our last special meeting about um i had this little idea well we should have the focus groups

[1:37:42] Voice 4: like transportation group or the connectivity group with the housing group put you know those

[1:37:48] Voice 4: two together and have a bigger meeting and y'all you know talk about those issues in in where

[1:37:54] Voice 4: there's competing interests right figure out at the nexus if they can come up with solutions but

[1:37:59] Voice 4: i think that's asking too much you need a great facilitator you need a lot more project budget

[1:38:04] Voice 4: and that's more stuff more stuff so not in favor of that but I think we need to

[1:38:13] Voice 4: a little more time for some more input or a pathway that's quite clear for

[1:38:21] Voice 4: community engagement in the summertime what I'd like to see if we could work

[1:38:25] Voice 4: towards is one facilitated meeting not so much a community information meeting

[1:38:31] Voice 4: but more like an engaging design charrette type thing well no I know design charrettes are very

[1:38:38] Voice 4: specific tools but the issue of growth management and housing is still going to be the most

[1:38:47] Voice 4: we've got two very different poles and we've got what I'm hearing is there's two groups in total

[1:38:55] Voice 4: silos who are not talking to one another and just as every single week I meet people who are

[1:39:04] Voice 4: we desperately need housing solutions we want to live together in community we want to develop

[1:39:10] Voice 4: farming and co-own land and we've got letters in in the project um correspondence right now

[1:39:17] Voice 4: and then we've got people that are like we cannot handle more growth it's very concerned about the

[1:39:23] Voice 4: environment we need to not have any more housing and those two are not even they're not in

[1:39:29] Voice 4: conversation and frankly this it's not a safe space to necessarily bring people in unless we

[1:39:34] Voice 4: make it um a good space to to bring out those different views and values so i would love to see

[1:39:46] Voice 4: not a community information meeting but how do we bring these two elements together to have a

[1:39:52] Voice 4: constructive conversation and could we put some project budget towards that in i don't know what

[1:40:02] Voice 4: the timeline would be and maybe we just need to consider it um do you know what i mean susan like

[1:40:11] Voice 4: yeah well i'm just thinking is this one too specific because this one focuses on fresh

[1:40:16] Voice 4: water for some private yeah well that's that so just integrate the front water project needs that

[1:40:24] Voice 4: meeting yeah i know um so and that's so the fresh water that's to present so that meeting is to

[1:40:30] Voice 4: present the outcomes of the fresh water project yeah

[1:40:33] Voice 4: so it's it's it's more of a it's a community

[1:40:35] Voice 4: information meeting as opposed to a discussion yeah that's just uh here's the here's the project

[1:40:40] Voice 4: outcomes what what questions do you have so we need one more meeting i don't know if we need

[1:40:47] Voice 4: one more but the other thing we heard at the ocp drop-in is um people want a place to come

[1:40:55] Voice 4: together in the traditional town hall type thing and talk to one another so they've been talking to

[1:41:01] Voice 4: to a few focus groups talking to staff pulling that information bring it to the ltc and then we

[1:41:08] Voice 4: be discussed but can we facilitate a space where folks who are at those different ends of the

[1:41:18] Voice 4: spectrum and are just not able to see the because I worry that we're going to get to a

[1:41:25] Voice 4: a point where there's going to be a digging in so you want this before the first draft

[1:41:33] Voice 4: I'm just airing out I know because I think

[1:41:37] Voice 4: about that a lot because some people I talk to say just

[1:41:40] Voice 4: give us the first draft so we have something to chew on yeah you know and then other people say

[1:41:45] Voice 4: well we're not ready for the first draft well i wanted to ask you kind of what what is the

[1:41:49] Voice 4: you're you're going to create sort of a draft tell us what the draft is exactly you're talking

[1:41:55] Voice 4: about yeah like the draft doesn't it's something to look at very specific it's not it's not it's

[1:42:02] Voice 4: not gonna it's in sections the sections may be may interweave in the final right so uh the draft

[1:42:09] Voice 4: draft provides the so it's basically housing here's the housing here's the housing related

[1:42:14] Voice 4: policies uh you know uh water water related policies in the draft those are going to be

[1:42:22] Voice 4: more integrated there's going to be a little bit more language around it that sort of thing so

[1:42:26] Voice 4: so that's the more completed thing but i but i think the draft graph is though is something that

[1:42:33] Voice 4: that folks can sink their teeth in it has goals

[1:42:36] Voice 4: it has objectives and it has policies

[1:42:39] Voice 4: that's similar to what they did

[1:42:41] Voice 4: at Gambier

[1:42:45] Voice 4: I'm hearing you

[1:42:46] Voice 4: because we have the same challenge

[1:42:48] Voice 4: doing the same thing

[1:42:50] Voice 4: one is I think the draft draft

[1:42:52] Voice 4: if you call it that

[1:42:54] Voice 4: we just went through the same Gambier

[1:42:56] Voice 4: where we had a draft draft in front of us

[1:42:59] Voice 4: all of us know the difference

[1:43:00] Voice 4: between this and a bylaw

[1:43:02] Voice 4: but the public does not

[1:43:04] Voice 14: and

[1:43:04] Voice 4: so I think it's got to be

[1:43:06] Voice 4: very clear that

[1:43:08] Voice 4: that they understand what they're, that this is not,

[1:43:11] Voice 4: we're not about to make a decision.

[1:43:12] Voice 4: This is not in a bylaw language.

[1:43:14] Voice 4: It doesn't look like a bylaw, it's for conversation.

[1:43:18] Voice 4: And I think a little bit more work needs to be done

[1:43:21] Voice 4: because that was the missing piece here

[1:43:23] Voice 4: was really that context piece.

[1:43:24] Voice 4: What is this?

[1:43:25] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:43:25] Voice 3: And

[1:43:26] Voice 4: how it's going to be used to get to the next step,

[1:43:30] Voice 4: which will be eventually into bylaw type language.

[1:43:34] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:43:34] Voice 4: Yeah, so I didn't have a community orientation meeting on here.

[1:43:39] Voice 4: The purpose of that was exactly that, to identify the next process.

[1:43:45] Voice 4: This is what we're engaging in this process.

[1:43:48] Voice 4: And this is how these related files sort of thing.

[1:43:51] Voice 4: So I think that is sort of captured here, maybe not clear enough.

[1:43:55] Voice 4: Yeah, I think it's anytime something's printed that's going to be consumed.

[1:43:59] Voice 4: I think having that little narrative at the beginning to always put it into

[1:44:04] Voice 4: the context helps people understand because like I said we know the difference but nobody else does

[1:44:09] Voice 4: they think you're about to approve this um yeah I'm afraid that's exactly I like the idea because

[1:44:17] Voice 4: it is not a violent it's safe this is about we're inviting communications in an area this

[1:44:23] Voice 4: isn't first reading this is just a white paper to be quite frank um it's not about

[1:44:29] Voice 4: I don't really know where those come from.

[1:44:32] Voice 4: So, okay, yeah.

[1:44:34] Voice 4: But how do you bring them?

[1:44:38] Voice 4: Yeah, so I'm hearing a couple of things here.

[1:44:40] Voice 4: I'm hearing support for the idea,

[1:44:44] Voice 4: like I said, I may not have been clear enough here,

[1:44:47] Voice 4: but that was one of the ideas for each one of these options

[1:44:50] Voice 4: would include a community orientation to the process.

[1:44:54] Voice 4: What I'm hearing is that the in-person,

[1:44:57] Voice 4: people want to be brought together. So an orientation to the process together is maybe as a physical meeting is probably better, potentially better than Zoom.

[1:45:10] Voice 4: I'll make that call. But then there's another aspect that Trustee Elliott raised, which it seems like there's a very clear topic for conversation.

[1:45:24] Voice 4: is that correct one that maybe we need to have a much a focused facilitated conversation right

[1:45:31] Voice 4: yeah and if i could expand on that it's it's very hard for people who are not and i'm new to

[1:45:40] Voice 4: creating violence right so it has been an incredible challenge to learn the connection

[1:45:46] Voice 4: with the policy statement and those policies with our ocp and then bylaws and how does that work out

[1:45:52] Voice 4: to your lot level uh plan so this is very abstract for most people it's really hard to understand how

[1:46:01] Voice 4: it's going to impact your life and your property and so we're kind of talking in these abstractive

[1:46:07] Voice 4: circles until we have something to speak our creativity and forward thinking brains into

[1:46:17] Voice 4: And so when I go to design Charette, what I would envision is not a Charette about, it's what would responsible, sustainable growth management strategies look like on particular lots that are interested in developing housing with an environmental co-ownership model?

[1:46:45] Voice 4: because i've been asked this four times in the last two weeks and there's specific property

[1:46:53] Voice 4: owners who are like we've got four people who want to get together and we're going to buy a

[1:46:58] Voice 4: piece of land we're going to live together but there's no way we can all be housed in this

[1:47:03] Voice 4: current environment but these values of farming together and living together and and with the

[1:47:10] Voice 4: heightened cost of groceries the cost of living expensive ferries people that people who in our

[1:47:16] Voice 4: are in the fire department people who are paramedics they are not able to find a place to

[1:47:22] Voice 4: live if you have to buy land so what i'd love to see is those people that are willing to say hey

[1:47:28] Voice 4: we've got an idea for specific property how this could work and yet the regulations are not

[1:47:33] Voice 4: going to allow it can we have a meeting where we can workshop those kind of things what would

[1:47:40] Voice 4: clustering look like what would a pilot project to allow multiple homes with certain you know

[1:47:46] Voice 4: environmental offsets and considerations or covenants on protected areas right all the

[1:47:52] Voice 4: different ranges that folks are have been talking to themselves and each other but it's hard to

[1:48:00] Voice 4: that that could bring it into the realm of reality like what are we actually talking about

[1:48:05] Voice 4: okay we need to have water for 10 people on a lot instead of two what does that look like

[1:48:12] Voice 4: How does that affect your, those, the water sustainability policies, for instance?

[1:48:19] Voice 4: And, you know, the big issue for me always comes down to the footprint on the land.

[1:48:25] Voice 4: So it's about how much of that land is being used for human purposes, how much can be put

[1:48:32] Voice 4: in a size.

[1:48:33] Voice 4: So instead of like a 4,000 square foot, you know, mansion, what if you had four smaller

[1:48:40] Voice 4: homes probably using less resources not for sure like infrastructure driveways

[1:48:45] Voice 4: power poles all that kind of stuff so

[1:48:47] Voice 4: it's about the total impact on the

[1:48:50] Voice 4: environment and a lot of it has to do with lot coverage floor area ratio that

[1:48:56] Voice 4: kind of thing those are the things that give

[1:48:58] Voice 13: you flexibility in my mind anyway

[1:49:02] Voice 13: and

[1:49:03] Voice 4: if you talk to anyone from the Gabriel the Land Stewards Society they're

[1:49:06] Voice 4: working on those sorts of things too that's the one question that is i think going to cause the

[1:49:13] Voice 4: most pain and discomfort and where i think the community needs to come together and have a

[1:49:19] Voice 4: constructive conversation but i want it to be constructive and not so so is this more i'm just

[1:49:27] Voice 4: we're just conversing this here um so that would this be more of a themed kind of

[1:49:35] Voice 4: event i'm gonna call it an event that we're gathering

[1:49:38] Voice 3: um

[1:49:39] Voice 4: on maybe the different form so

[1:49:43] Voice 4: we all know what a single family home looks like uh would this be looking at the other options that

[1:49:48] Voice 4: you would be contemplating in this ocp so and maybe it's sort of what does that how does that

[1:49:53] Voice 4: go from idea to what to reality type of thing and so that it's a conversation about because that

[1:50:03] Voice 4: does integrate the water and integrates all the issues would be allowed in different types of

[1:50:10] Voice 4: residential zones and and we have three or four community members that i would scope and draw

[1:50:16] Voice 4: something out and let's have that conversation in community if there's a willingness right it

[1:50:24] Voice 4: we can't drive it but i think the desire is there to have practical conversations of what this

[1:50:30] Voice 4: actually looks like

[1:50:31] Voice 3: yes

[1:50:32] Voice 4: because that would to me a part of the conversation is also to expose

[1:50:35] Voice 4: the concerns and you know some flexible housing if you went to go to main island to look at

[1:50:41] Voice 4: um you know this is how it was dealt with on main island you know so that might might help alleviate

[1:50:46] Voice 4: the fears of those examples not enough water well this was the approach that we took on i mean so

[1:50:51] Voice 4: there could be ways of you know hearing and exposing the concern yeah and

[1:50:56] Voice 4: then trying to

[1:50:57] Voice 4: make sure it's been addressed yeah in theory i think i think it's a great idea honestly because

[1:51:06] Voice 4: this is the thing you want you want to be you want the concerns to come out before the draft

[1:51:10] Voice 4: is out and then you know you know this is a challenge and um and i mean this is very similar

[1:51:19] Voice 4: to the kind of conversation that uh denman used to have as well same kind of um interests uh around

[1:51:29] Voice 4: this kind of development yeah um and uh uh and you know it ties into again you know what is what is

[1:51:37] Voice 4: the vision because the the thing is that those who are opposing each other their values may actually

[1:51:44] Voice 4: be the same yeah but i can tell you they are i think you know we i at least i've not run into

[1:51:51] Voice 4: anyone saying oh let's solve the housing crisis and destroy the environment um i think it i think

[1:51:56] Voice 4: generally i think people would find they're closer together than they would believe and that this is

[1:52:02] Voice 4: just recognizing that you know the single family house is not the only option that's available

[1:52:08] Voice 4: today so how do we accommodate these other options and what do what what did

[1:52:13] Voice 4: they create for concerns and fears and how do the bylaws now address those

[1:52:19] Voice 4: concerns and fears so yeah yeah yeah yeah I think I think it makes a lot of

[1:52:24] Voice 4: sense so the general theme of such a meeting would be something like limits

[1:52:32] Voice 13: the limits to growth, the human impact on the land.

[1:52:37] Voice 4: Well, what are ideal models for housing people

[1:52:41] Voice 4: in a

[1:52:43] Voice 4: sustainable way?

[1:52:45] Voice 4: And not using that word sustainable lightly,

[1:52:48] Voice 4: I really do mean sustainable.

[1:52:50] Voice 4: Like growth management

[1:52:51] Voice 4: and responsible housing development,

[1:52:54] Voice 4: I think would be-

[1:52:56] Voice 4: That

[1:52:56] Voice 13: would be good.

[1:52:57] Voice 4: I'll talk more about that.

[1:52:58] Voice 4: We've talked about the more softer-

[1:53:01] Voice 4: words that make sense yeah but uh but yeah and uh i mean i think what we could what could happen

[1:53:09] Voice 4: is we have a two-part thing where uh part one is what is the system what is the process what are

[1:53:16] Voice 4: we doing yeah um and then and then part two is this is a theme that we want yeah i see that and

[1:53:25] Voice 4: i see one of the biggest questions you ask right up front is what are your fears yes what are your

[1:53:31] Voice 4: hopes yeah yeah yeah and when it's

[1:53:32] Voice 4: your vision yeah well you're still stuck on the fear yeah

[1:53:35] Voice 4: no

[1:53:36] Voice 13: no no hope is hope like whatever

[1:53:38] Voice 4: well i think the vision but the fears are different based on

[1:53:42] Voice 4: its type so if you're talking about flexible housing where you have a maximum like main

[1:53:47] Voice 4: did you have a maximum square footage and we want to give you the options to

[1:53:51] Voice 4: divide that up in a different way so that creates its own questions there versus if you're looking

[1:53:57] Voice 4: at accessory dwelling units that that you know how is that different you know so people people

[1:54:02] Voice 4: do look at them very differently and i think it's having there's different

[1:54:05] Voice 4: questions i mean also you

[1:54:06] Voice 4: have a density uh bank here that's not used and that may be a question as well right so yeah that

[1:54:11] Voice 4: could be there are i think there are there are probably a number of categories of of discussion

[1:54:18] Voice 4: within the same theme so one final thought so you talked about sort of a two-part not a bent

[1:54:35] Voice 4: but engagement you know what are we doing and where is this going and all of that is

[1:54:42] Voice 4: that's definitely necessary what if there was a call out or um based on the community's needs

[1:54:48] Voice 4: today and into the future what is a what is the most innovative uh environmentally responsible

[1:54:56] Voice 4: design for housing that you can think of as a pitch for housing and environmental sustainability

[1:55:06] Voice 4: and the people who want to come forward who have those ideas and say i want to put my idea forward

[1:55:11] Voice 4: forward. And

[1:55:13] Voice 4: then we have a discussion as a community and actually look at that and go,

[1:55:17] Voice 4: okay, well, what are the, what are the issues with requiring rainwater catchment on all new

[1:55:21] Voice 4: builds? Okay. Increased trucking, or you've got to require there's a certain amount for your

[1:55:26] Voice 4: domestic, like workshopping the actual problems. And from that, you could also have pilot projects

[1:55:33] Voice 4: of people if those zones were then put into the OCP that becomes a zone that can be drawn down

[1:55:42] Voice 4: on actual properties because the people are already thinking about how to develop sustainably

[1:55:49] Voice 4: and care for communities into the future this is exactly what people did on Gabriel in the 40s and

[1:55:55] Voice 4: Yeah, the 16th and 17th introduced some examples like Coho on Denman, for example, which is that model of

[1:56:05] Voice 4: curating and co-ownership.

[1:56:11] Voice 4: I can almost imagine, I don't know if you have, I think you could do it almost in that,

[1:56:16] Voice 4: because there's only so many ways, there's only so many options really of sort of drawing out from

[1:56:22] Voice 4: you know one piece of paper sort of represents a property where you have one single house you

[1:56:29] Voice 4: have one with a single house with an accessory dwelling one that's now you know you draw them

[1:56:33] Voice 4: out and uh pictures always help me i know probably help others uh then you can converse about about

[1:56:41] Voice 4: that and you can then look at cumulative impact okay so if five lots on gabriel were able to have

[1:56:48] Voice 4: an increased number of dwellings what are those implications right you could talk about

[1:56:53] Voice 4: implications if you can talk see the whole picture and see all of those different options and i think

[1:56:59] Voice 4: that the conversation this community is anxious to have because of all that worry about scarcity

[1:57:05] Voice 4: and groundwater there's not enough for everybody we need to get into the particulars what does

[1:57:10] Voice 4: this actually mean well if you're looking at multiple cluster homes how many lots how much

[1:57:17] Voice 4: much can the island resources sustain or what do you need to put in place and maybe it's not

[1:57:23] Voice 4: possible like that would be there may be other choices that you need to make to there's a lot

[1:57:28] Voice 4: of that exactly right so so i'm sorry to to take this over as a last minute thing but i've just

[1:57:34] Voice 4: been so struck with the two ends of the spectrum and they're just not in the same room together

[1:57:41] Voice 4: other and I think for this process to be successful there needs to be some and six thousand dollars

[1:57:47] Voice 4: could potentially be put towards that if we've got that for communications that's for the whole year

[1:57:54] Voice 4: oh so how do you see we have nothing then oh my gosh so if you're working off of the option one

[1:58:02] Voice 4: how do you see that modified then um yeah so if you're looking at often so basically that would

[1:58:09] Voice 4: you'd be adding this workshop.

[1:58:12] Voice 4: And so the consideration here is,

[1:58:15] Voice 4: I think, for something like that to be really successful,

[1:58:18] Voice 4: it is a chunk of staff time.

[1:58:20] Voice 4: So it does mean that there may be a little bit of,

[1:58:24] Voice 4: you know, I've identified whenever additional staff time is needed,

[1:58:28] Voice 4: there is impacts on other projects because we follow other projects.

[1:58:33] Voice 4: But, but this is,

[1:58:36] Voice 4: this is something that, I mean,

[1:58:37] Voice 4: it feels like it's either you put the time in now or you put time in later right because if this is

[1:58:45] Voice 4: something that you're feeling may blow up towards the end of the process uh then you may you may be

[1:58:52] Voice 4: having to do more work so i think it it feels like it is something that we can kind of explore

[1:58:59] Voice 4: um and and look at um what kind of resources whether we need to really i don't know somebody

[1:59:06] Voice 4: had to facilitate or um i'm not sure we may be able to do it like i i think it i think it's

[1:59:12] Voice 4: something that we would be able to design um ourselves um as well it just will take you know

[1:59:20] Voice 4: it will take a a bit of time to do it well well you mentioned denman and i think salt springs

[1:59:26] Voice 4: right on the heels here i think similar like i said there's only so many options to the single

[1:59:32] Voice 4: family home so yes some of the investment of the background preparation for such a conversation

[1:59:39] Voice 4: could be shared across multiple that's a very good point because that's the advantage of me

[1:59:43] Voice 4: like i'm working on the denman project you're not thinking oh yeah this is something we could be

[1:59:48] Voice 4: doing for both so it's it and then salt spring as well and then there may be other islands

[1:59:53] Voice 4: so yeah i mean i think it it's sounding like a fairly critical um

[2:00:00] Voice 4: need for i don't

[2:00:01] Voice 13: know oh yeah yeah so

[2:00:03] Voice 4: so so the way that it would coming back to your question

[2:00:06] Voice 4: uh chair is uh it would it would just be it would be another task within all of those which would

[2:00:13] Voice 4: be and that would come and i think there would be value in that happening before uh summer engagement

[2:00:20] Voice 4: okay uh so which is definitely closed so june yeah you're running out of yeah

[2:00:27] Voice 4: so that would be

[2:00:28] Voice 4: taking your

[2:00:30] Voice 4: drawing there on page

[2:00:32] Voice 4: two of mine

[2:00:35] Voice 4: option one or two there and adding another

[2:00:37] Voice 4: segment to the beginning

[2:00:39] Voice 4: so

[2:00:41] Voice 13: we can probably go

[2:00:42] Voice 4: ahead with the three recommendations

[2:00:43] Voice 4: but add one more

[2:00:45] Voice 4: yeah so I think maybe it's an amendment

[2:00:47] Voice 4: to over the recommendations

[2:00:49] Voice 4: and that would be

[2:00:51] Voice 4: you

[2:00:55] Voice 4: well yes if you want to go with option

[2:00:58] Voice 4: one so that's a straightforward uh so again i think i think where you're going is you're going

[2:01:03] Voice 4: with option one or two like in terms of the process um and you're popping this one in the

[2:01:08] Voice 4: option so the difference between option one and two is that there was discussion at the previous

[2:01:12] Voice 4: meeting about um running group funding um if you wanted to proceed with that that would take money

[2:01:20] Voice 4: away from i think groups can organize themselves i know certainly the dpa group has certainly done

[2:01:27] Voice 4: that I'm sure the water group has done I know the water group's done that um so that will leave us

[2:01:33] Voice 4: with a little bit more money to do you know that one really important meeting and yeah they'll

[2:01:39] Voice 4: pretty much stay on schedule I think so I think pretty much I mean we'll we'll have to see in

[2:01:46] Voice 4: terms of scheduling the meeting but um so we're looking at two different meetings though still

[2:01:52] Voice 4: This was

[2:01:53] Voice 4: my question to you. Are you looking at two different meetings at two separate times or are you looking at one day where you have the logistics we can kind of have a conversation about?

[2:02:06] Voice 4: out do we still need a meeting to say to the community here's the process here's where we're at

[2:02:13] Voice 4: maybe using the community information document i'm sorry whatever that is to sort of say here

[2:02:21] Voice 4: here's who we are um this is a new thing and then set that up for um you know in a month's time

[2:02:31] Voice 4: we'll be having a community information meeting specifically about i'd be good

[2:02:35] Voice 4: good throw ahead with this meeting and you know growth management and we want your ideas so people

[2:02:41] Voice 4: who are talking to your trustees about different ways of developing or the housing need is there

[2:02:49] Voice 4: and people who frankly want to see degrowth and less uh development and less right so yeah so

[2:02:59] Voice 4: for this proposal like what do you think and let's have this constructive conversation

[2:03:03] Voice 4: And I would say sometime before, oh, I have to do it early for July.

[2:03:08] Voice 4: Yeah, so I'm just thinking, it doesn't matter if this happens, when this happens.

[2:03:13] Voice 4: Like, I

[2:03:13] Voice 4: mean, it matters that it happens before the middle of August.

[2:03:18] Voice 4: But it could happen in, I think July is probably more realistic in terms of timing.

[2:03:25] Voice 4: I mean, there's also a holiday schedule.

[2:03:28] Voice 4: It won't be good. If you have a draft-draft set of policies for June, like we still need for draft-draft, but there's still going to be this significant event where we are going to get community members to come and give their input in a meaningful way.

[2:03:45] Voice 4: that also signals that draft draft policies are not final right that we're nowhere near first

[2:03:51] Voice 4: reading we're still we still have lots of time for that constructive conversation and depending

[2:03:56] Voice 4: on that we can get to drafting bylaw writing through fall and into november i think i think

[2:04:03] Voice 4: it's possible that would work i think it's possible yeah i think um um um i think what

[2:04:12] Voice 4: we're looking so i think it's possible to stay within the timeline and add that in into the um

[2:04:19] Voice 4: the process okay um and so what i'm thinking uh so yeah going into the engagement option

[2:04:27] Voice 4: you know engagement which includes this yeah this this um this extra piece yeah so

[2:04:35] Voice 4: you'd still be

[2:04:36] Voice 4: having your union meeting which is like laying it all out and then inviting maybe the timing is such

[2:04:41] Voice 4: that there's enough time where that invites people to provide proposals for the insulated age and

[2:04:47] Voice 4: have that conversation so i'm seeing it as an amendment to recommendation one so let's proceed

[2:04:51] Voice 4: with option one um uh to include uh with the addition of a focused meeting on housing and

[2:05:01] Voice 4: growth management or however you want yeah i like that housing grows management so it'd be

[2:05:06] Voice 4: do you want us to be posing options and yeah so would you come back with options for more

[2:05:16] Voice 4: community engagement or we could just ask you to develop a plan for further community engagement

[2:05:21] Voice 4: in summer 2025 to invite proposals for how they or is it a focus maybe not yeah options and growth

[2:05:35] Voice 4: management if you want so so amendment i meant if you meant number one and then you could have

[2:05:40] Voice 4: a second you can you could have a second recommendation it's very with a very specific

[2:05:44] Voice 4: asked for staff to come back with options for that engagement and that's where i can come back with

[2:05:50] Voice 4: you know it could look like this or it could look like this i'm just going to suggest that we

[2:05:55] Voice 4: actually go ahead with recommendation number three first because we do want to have a follow-up

[2:06:01] Voice 4: meeting with a freshwater footprint you know because we've had them after every focus group

[2:06:07] Voice 4: and it's been great um so i'm just going to suggest we start with that one

[2:06:12] Voice 4: yeah i'm working on another one okay good so well let's start with this one i move that the gabriella

[2:06:19] Voice 4: on the local plus committee direct staff to schedule a community information meeting to

[2:06:24] Voice 4: share the outcomes of the gabriola freshwater footprint project second second by trustee elliott

[2:06:30] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[2:06:33] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[2:06:35] Voice 4: The first recommendation says to proceed with option one.

[2:06:43] Voice 4: We're going to amend that with the addition of a community meeting,

[2:06:48] Voice 4: not information meeting, but an actual community meeting.

[2:06:51] Voice 4: And we

[2:06:52] Voice 13: want that to be facilitated.

[2:06:57] Voice 4: The second

[2:06:58] Voice 4: question will be for them to come back with options.

[2:06:59] Voice 4: Yeah, so the wording that I have for the, and I just do a separate resolution for staff to develop options for further community engagement in summer 2025 for a focused meeting on housing options.

[2:07:16] Voice 4: Yeah, so

[2:07:16] Voice 4: that leaves it open. We can get budget for facilitation.

[2:07:21] Voice 4: Let's do that one next.

[2:07:22] Voice 4: As proposals. Yeah, so we'll do the, you still want to go with option one, which is, yeah.

[2:07:28] Voice 4: Yeah, so we're still going to see these draft, draft proposals come out, but we'll do some more work with community before we get too frustrating for sure.

[2:07:42] Voice 4: Yeah, so, okay, I'm just making it clear in my own head here.

[2:07:46] Voice 4: So you're going to go with recommendation one with the amendment and then a separate one.

[2:07:51] Voice 4: so if you put a separate one because i'm thinking it would be what i would like to do is go away

[2:07:56] Voice 4: take some time and think about what that workshop looks like what the budget would look like

[2:08:00] Voice 4: and all of that sort of thing yeah um so that would be the second and and we hopefully will

[2:08:07] Voice 4: have our consulting team for salt spring so you might know you know their lines for uh

[2:08:13] Voice 4: how this looks like because we're going to do something very similar

[2:08:17] Voice 13: do you still need us to do recommendation number two at this point i

[2:08:22] Voice 4: do because we provide

[2:08:25] Voice 4: the the project charter was revised so just that that's just so that we can

[2:08:32] Voice 4: you know we're all in the same age let's leave that one for right now so um we understand what

[2:08:44] Voice 4: we're doing yeah so a lot of fun the first one to reference the additional meeting we've got a new

[2:08:49] Voice 4: one about asking them to do the options yeah

[2:08:52] Voice 13: okay so i

[2:08:54] Voice 13: don't i can go ahead with maybe number one

[2:08:56] Voice 13: sure as submitted

[2:08:58] Voice 13: i move that the gabriel island local plus committee direct staff to proceed with

[2:09:02] Voice 13: option one community review existing draft policies as the next step in the community

[2:09:08] Voice 13: engagement process for the ocp with the addition of a

[2:09:13] Voice 4: community meeting on housing options and

[2:09:17] Voice 4: growth management. Could we just change meeting to a workshop? Sure yeah with the addition of a

[2:09:23] Voice 4: community workshop or as long as it's facilitated. I think staff or but we need to direct staff to

[2:09:32] Voice 4: come up with options.

[2:09:33] Voice 13: That's like our next next motion. What was it? Yeah

[2:09:35] Voice 4: oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

[2:09:36] Voice 4: thanks. I'm gonna

[2:09:36] Voice 4: make a second motion. Gotcha. So I'm looking

[2:09:39] Voice 4: for a workshop. Actually no you're

[2:09:41] Voice 4: right community meetings. That's fine. I don't know

[2:09:46] Voice 4: Lisa we're staying with

[2:09:47] Voice 4: meeting okay then you want to make the next one okay well we haven't seconded that one yet so

[2:09:52] Voice 4: are we happy with the language we're going to go with meeting with the addition of a community

[2:09:56] Voice 4: meeting yeah housing options housing options yeah thank you all right

[2:10:01] Voice 4: so second by trustee elliott

[2:10:03] Voice 4: any discussion i'll call about all those in favor that carries but now bring a new one i'm asking

[2:10:10] Voice 4: them to go back with options that they gave her a local trust committee request staff to develop

[2:10:16] Voice 4: options for further engagement with the community well it's a

[2:10:28] Voice 4: community meeting

[2:10:34] Voice 4: so I'm to help options for community meeting all that focused on housing

[2:10:40] Voice 4: options and growth management yes 25 yeah do you want to give it a deadline

[2:10:44] Voice 4: mine or yes well June is oh yeah the workshop would be in summer rightfully um just just leave

[2:10:56] Voice 4: it at that and then I can try and I don't have Lisa read that report so thanks so Lisa

[2:11:03] Voice 4: Gabriel a local trust committee request staff to develop options

[2:11:07] Voice 4: for community meeting focused on housing options and growth management

[2:11:16] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah, that's good. That gives us a bit of, all right, is that sound all right?

[2:11:23] Voice 4: Yep. Do you make that motion? I make the motion.

[2:11:25] Voice 4: Section by Trustee Yates. Any discussion? Call the vote then. All those in favor? I'm not too curious.

[2:11:34] Voice 4: Thank

[2:11:35] Voice 3: you. So

[2:11:35] Voice 4: now we have the project charter.

[2:11:46] Voice 4: I'll move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee endorse Revised Project Charter

[2:11:52] Voice 4: for the Gabriel Island Official Community Plan

[2:11:55] Voice 13: and

[2:11:56] Voice 4: Land Use By-law Review Project Phase

[2:11:58] Voice 4: 2.

[2:12:00] Voice 4: So that's seconded.

[2:12:01] Voice 4: Seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[2:12:04] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[2:12:06] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[2:12:08] Voice 4: And that too carries.

[2:12:09] Voice 4: any other questions or housekeeping needs on this project

[2:12:15] Voice 13: yeah

[2:12:17] Voice 4: so so i did say there was three things

[2:12:20] Voice 4: that had come out of our um surveys are i think we're done uh people aren't getting enough

[2:12:27] Voice 4: information about this process and the implications and we've been asked to write articles

[2:12:33] Voice 4: in the sounder and so I checked in with Derek and he'd be happy to have a weekly article so

[2:12:42] Voice 4: just looking for endorsement from the LTC that Trustee Yates and I can work together on on just

[2:12:49] Voice 4: drafting little information pieces um what is an official community plan what's an official

[2:12:54] Voice 4: community plan not some of this is already drafted right there's a lot of we've already

[2:12:59] Voice 4: done a lot of work so these are not my point of view or susan's point of view it's just getting

[2:13:06] Voice 4: some information a very digestible to 300 word article um how does an ocp tie into violence

[2:13:13] Voice 4: trust policy statement comparing approaches to managing density on different islands because

[2:13:18] Voice 4: i chair four other ltcs and you got maine and and south pender with their maximum house size limits

[2:13:24] Voice 4: I could just bring in some of these as examples, water in, water out, what is a water budget.

[2:13:33] Voice 4: So I'm happy to do this, I think it's needed and been asked for and we can do it for free.

[2:13:39] Voice 4: I guess my only caution is that as the draft gets written that we make sure that things

[2:13:47] Voice 11: coordinate, that we don't end up with any things of conflict or intervention, that's

[2:13:52] Voice 11: all.

[2:13:52] Voice 11: So

[2:13:52] Voice 3: we want to improve

[2:13:54] Voice 3: the knowledge.

[2:13:55] Voice 3: We

[2:13:55] Voice 4: need to promote the workshop and such with that as well.

[2:13:58] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:13:59] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:14:00] Voice 4: And the only thing that the newspaper asked is that we continue to publish

[2:14:04] Voice 4: notices and pay for

[2:14:06] Voice 4: things as opposed to getting free articles.

[2:14:09] Voice 4: But those are good anyway,

[2:14:11] Voice 4: because they have the logo and they recognize them as official.

[2:14:15] Voice 4: And then lastly, do we want to have more OCP drop-ins?

[2:14:20] Voice 4: and is there i think it's a teeny amount to place an event notice yeah so the

[2:14:25] Voice 4: sounder it really is

[2:14:27] Voice 4: useful for getting people out so yeah we have settled on three two dates at least may yeah

[2:14:33] Voice 4: three options and two probably confirmation dates in may so can we ask for some communications

[2:14:40] Voice 4: budget to put an events listing which i think is just 25 well of course

[2:14:45] Voice 4: we've got communication

[2:14:55] Voice 4: Okay, so you don't.

[2:14:57] Voice 4: All right.

[2:14:57] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:14:58] Voice 4: That's good.

[2:14:58] Voice 4: Great.

[2:14:59] Voice 4: May 1st and May 15th are the next ones.

[2:15:01] Voice 4: All right.

[2:15:02] Voice 4: So we're done with those.

[2:15:04] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:15:04] Voice 4: I have one quick question.

[2:15:06] Voice 4: It has, it goes way back to the dark sky principles advocacy.

[2:15:11] Voice 4: Right.

[2:15:11] Voice 4: And we know at our last council meeting in March, that, you know, there was a lot of

[2:15:16] Voice 4: we there was a disposition

[2:15:17] Voice 13: of what we were going to do with it as a council but i'm pretty sure we

[2:15:22] Voice 13: already have it somewhere in our big bucket for our ocp is to make some kind of statement in the

[2:15:28] Voice 13: ocp

[2:15:29] Voice 4: yeah we've got uh the dark people uh yeah and family because we did hear from better um

[2:15:36] Voice 4: cermak that you know you there are places where it can be applicable orbit character

[2:15:41] Voice 4: And DPAs and shorelines and docks and commercial and industrial and all that stuff.

[2:15:46] Voice 4: But anyway, wherever we can get it in, it seems important.

[2:15:52] Voice 4: Rusty, so you want to take a break now?

[2:15:55] Voice 4: Just

[2:15:56] Voice 13: a little break.

[2:15:57] Voice 4: I don't want to take more of your time, but there is an item that I was wanting to bring up

[2:16:05] Voice 4: that sort of connects with the delegation that we had earlier.

[2:16:12] Voice 4: And this is the whole question around the integration piece and such.

[2:16:19] Voice 4: And it's something that I've been thinking about a lot.

[2:16:22] Voice 4: And I have, and I was meeting with a representative of the committee

[2:16:30] Voice 4: And there is an opportunity with the OCP to identify these specific plans.

[2:16:41] Voice 4: And then there is an opportunity, we've been talking about the creation of an implementation plan for the OCP.

[2:16:51] Voice 4: But there's something beyond that.

[2:16:53] Voice 4: that and I think you hinted at that in the conversation earlier that there is a gap for

[2:17:02] Voice 4: the islands and and and it's a gap it is that this integration of of all of these plans to

[2:17:12] Voice 4: achieve a vision yes um so I I feel like it would be useful at some point in this process

[2:17:20] Voice 4: process to talk about, or at least have something written down about and something agreed to

[2:17:27] Voice 4: in terms of what the community process could be. And that's something that, with direction,

[2:17:37] Voice 4: I could start to put together what that approach could look like. So that's something that

[2:17:44] Voice 4: you can begin to have some conversation around, the community can have some conversation around

[2:17:49] Voice 4: as we move through this process, it's not something that necessarily, yeah, but again,

[2:17:57] Voice 4: I feel like I need direction from the LTC, and also putting the question out, yeah,

[2:18:03] Voice 4: whether you would like something like that to be.

[2:18:07] Voice 13: Wow, so are you talking about like a preamble to that?

[2:18:10] Voice 4: No, what I'm talking about is the OCP is just a piece of so many other things that go on

[2:18:17] Voice 4: in the community, right?

[2:18:19] Voice 4: Right. So many, I mean, this is a perfect example.

[2:18:22] Voice 4: So there's a lot of help.

[2:18:28] Voice 4: There is, for other local governments,

[2:18:32] Voice 4: we are a special purpose local government.

[2:18:34] Voice 4: We are very special because we don't know,

[2:18:37] Voice 4: the stressors have a lot of authority,

[2:18:39] Voice 4: like our authority is in land use, almost explicitly.

[2:18:44] Voice 4: And so there's a tendency for our OCPs to be cluttered with,

[2:18:48] Voice 4: advocacy policies that help hold no weight right so what I am hoping and encouraging for the

[2:18:55] Voice 4: the Gabriela process is that if there are advocacy policies they are very very specific

[2:19:02] Voice 4: and in some cases they may be able to point very specifically to plans that exist

[2:19:06] Voice 4: out of community organizations but there is a lack of there there is but the where an OCP can

[2:19:16] Voice 4: play a much more holistic role. As a policy document, other communities, it can't here,

[2:19:24] Voice 4: because it is only a piece. We don't have services, we don't have infrastructure. So

[2:19:31] Voice 4: the ability to have much more for that document to play a more integrative role is very,

[2:19:36] Voice 4: very restrictive. So the gap is having, there is a gap, and how you fill that gap is a question,

[2:19:44] Voice 4: and there are some options um that could be thought about but how i feel like that that's

[2:19:49] Voice 4: beyond the scope of the mcd um but it it may be useful to have something that articulates

[2:19:59] Voice 4: the options i was trying to pull it up on my screen but there's not enough bandwidth to get it

[2:20:09] Voice 4: district of Saanich has a how how all the plans connects and it's it's really brilliant because

[2:20:17] Voice 4: it's it does help people in you know one page kind of see yeah how

[2:20:22] Voice 4: do these things all relate

[2:20:24] Voice 4: to one another even municipalities as you were mentioning the OCP has you don't want more in the

[2:20:32] Voice 4: the OCP that belongs there, but yet you have other plans, even in the municipality of servicing

[2:20:38] Voice 4: plans for different types of assets. So they do relate, though, back. So

[2:20:45] Voice 3: having simple

[2:20:47] Voice 4: drawings, I'd rather...

[2:20:49] Voice 4: Yes, so what I'm speaking here is just an articulation of how the OCP fits with other

[2:20:57] Voice 4: other funds in the community. That's, that's something that, that I think, you know, doing

[2:21:05] Voice 4: that work is outside the scope of actually the evidence trust, the way that the evidence

[2:21:12] Voice 4: trust is designed. But it's helpful to map it out. That's what I'm saying. So, so, so

[2:21:18] Voice 4: So if you were to give me direction to identify how the OCP fit, I mean, I guess I can do

[2:21:32] Voice 4: that anyways, but it's just a piece of work.

[2:21:36] Voice 4: And where would you put it?

[2:21:37] Voice 4: connections like where would you put it like no then so all i'm all i'm talking about right now

[2:21:45] Voice 4: is is is um i think it's it's it's part of um the community understanding where the ocp lives

[2:21:53] Voice 4: yeah you know so it's actually that's why i'm coming back to like oh i think it's actually

[2:21:56] Voice 4: part of the community conversation of the community engagement so i've just talked myself

[2:22:01] Voice 4: around in a circle but but it's a really good point and we've been asked about this over and

[2:22:07] Voice 4: and over again where those aspirational values and goals and visions that we articulated community

[2:22:13] Voice 4: articulated with the visioning process do they just disappear and that parking lot uh which and

[2:22:19] Voice 4: which you articulated here's what the alice trust is able to do here's where we can advocate and

[2:22:24] Voice 4: here's what we can do but that bridge to where do all those pieces that we can't do they connect

[2:22:30] Voice 4: somewhere and then mapping that out would be really helpful for the community i'm super happy

[2:22:35] Voice 4: to work with you on that if you need to

[2:22:37] Voice 14: and i think

[2:22:38] Voice 4: i don't think i need direction i think we

[2:22:39] Voice 4: can do that as part of the um we can do that as part of the the community education around those

[2:22:45] Voice 4: right and when we have that meeting um to talk about the other day we can map that out and it

[2:22:51] Voice 4: would be very useful to work with the both of you to kind of map out the different things cool

[2:22:57] Voice 4: thank you yeah for offering that it's really important all right so anything else on the ocp

[2:23:07] Voice 4: to the chair um for clarification is the june 5th uh gabriel's special electronic meeting

[2:23:16] Voice 4: separate from the community information meeting that you just requested

[2:23:19] Voice 4: yes so we need a resolution for that june because no that's better

[2:23:23] Voice 4: that is it that is it okay that's the groundwater that's that's okay okay yeah okay

[2:23:32] Voice 4: make sure we didn't need another resolution yeah that's when we popped in that thank you

[2:23:37] Voice 4: All right.

[2:23:37] Voice 4: So if there's no more, we're gonna take a break here.

[2:23:40] Voice 4: We don't have a lot more to share.

[2:23:42] Voice 4: Is this one o'clock?

[2:23:43] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:23:44] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:23:45] Voice 4: So we're gonna take a break.

[2:23:47] Voice 4: How much time do you guys want for a break?

[2:23:49] Voice 4: I only need like 10 minutes to each.

[2:23:51] Voice 4: Actually, we've only got-

[2:23:52] Voice 4: We don't have

[2:23:52] Voice 13: a lot of news.

[2:23:54] Voice 4: We could take a five minute break and then finish, okay?

[2:23:58] Voice 4: Yeah, for sure.

[2:23:59] Voice 4: There's a whole lot.

[2:24:00] Voice 4: And

[2:24:00] Voice 3: we just take you over now,

[2:24:01] Voice 4: we've got bylaw enforcement.

[2:24:04] Voice 4: Yeah, that's right.

[2:24:05] Voice 4: Report.

[2:24:05] Voice 4: report. So how much time do you want? Half an

[2:24:09] Voice 4: hour? Okay. 30 minutes. So

[2:24:12] Voice 3: you can break.

[2:24:25] Voice 3: Okay. All right.

[2:24:32] Voice 4: I'm going to call us back to order following our break. And we are now at

[2:24:36] Voice 4: section 11 in the agenda correspondence. So we have a section of correspondence here. Do you

[2:24:43] Voice 4: want to go through them individually or are there any particular correspondence that you'd like to

[2:24:46] Voice 4: address i think we'll want to maybe address 11.2 11 points yes we do maybe 11.4 which is also fine

[2:25:09] Voice 4: okay

[2:25:10] Voice 13: and actually

[2:25:11] Voice 4: 11.1 i just want to comment on the fact that um regarding the southern gulf

[2:25:16] Voice 4: islands forum this letter from elizabeth may is just absolutely amazing and how lucky we are to

[2:25:22] Voice 4: have her working so collaboratively with all these other agencies and bodies in the southern

[2:25:29] Voice 4: government well she's been a wonderful advocate on all the topics we're going to be discussing

[2:25:34] Voice 13: here and she just does not use

[2:25:36] Voice 4: words and i really appreciate that put myself in that so we'll

[2:25:42] Voice 4: receive level 0.1 for duration 0.2 then yeah um so this one it's a timely one because i think

[2:25:53] Voice 4: the community wants to have a conversation about uh the non-enforcement or deferral of enforcement

[2:26:00] Voice 4: on non-conforming dwellings and we'd already asked staff for more for the report that we have today

[2:26:10] Voice 4: so i don't know if consideration of this letter should come with the report but it

[2:26:17] Voice 4: basically articulates

[2:26:21] Voice 4: that

[2:26:24] Voice 4: I don't really quite understand

[2:26:29] Voice 4: the removing of

[2:26:32] Voice 4: Clause 4.2

[2:26:34] Voice 4: simultaneously.

[2:26:40] Voice 4: And actually I wanted to address

[2:26:41] Voice 4: so the letter writer

[2:26:43] Voice 4: who I know is in the

[2:26:46] Voice 4: meeting today, hello.

[2:26:48] Voice 4: So amendments to the bylaw through the OCP

[2:26:49] Voice 4: process are unrelated to the request to

[2:26:51] Voice 4: to resume enforcing the bylaws immediately.

[2:26:54] Voice 4: I think this was in response to what I had replied.

[2:27:00] Voice 4: And so the letter writer might be saying

[2:27:05] Voice 4: the OCP process is a distinct process.

[2:27:07] Voice 4: What I was trying to say was,

[2:27:10] Voice 4: we need to establish more housing options

[2:27:15] Voice 4: so that the current illegal housing options

[2:27:21] Voice 4: that people are in will not be or hopefully it will be less of an issue um so these are

[2:27:30] Voice 4: in the absence of a robust ocp that has enough housing options for the community members that

[2:27:39] Voice 4: we have that is why the non-enforcement of non-compliant buildings policy is in place

[2:27:50] Voice 4: and I'm reading it a little bit differently.

[2:27:53] Voice 4: I'm reading it that the complaint is

[2:27:55] Voice 13: not about the original standing

[2:27:57] Voice 13: resolution where we made, you know, we deferred

[2:28:01] Voice 13: by law enforcement because we were worried about people's

[2:28:04] Voice 4: unstable housing

[2:28:05] Voice 4: and where they might be in the next few

[2:28:08] Voice 13: years before the OCP is finished.

[2:28:10] Voice 13: I'm reading this more as the fact that there

[2:28:13] Voice 13: are people putting numerous travel trailers

[2:28:17] Voice 4: on properties for other reasons, not for housing, not to replace.

[2:28:24] Voice 4: Why would they have travel trailers on a property, if not for temporary housing?

[2:28:34] Voice 3: Well, that's...

[2:28:35] Voice 13: But

[2:28:36] Voice 3: there are...

[2:28:40] Voice 4: Well, maybe we should wait until later.

[2:28:42] Voice 4: Yeah, I was going to say, if we're going to be...

[2:28:44] Voice 4: Why don't we come back to this one when we discuss the bylaw enforcement report?

[2:28:49] Voice 4: Is that okay?

[2:28:50] Voice 4: Okay, I think we need to because, yeah, so we'll park that one and discuss it again.

[2:29:03] Voice 4: 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 1. So this is 13, 11, 3, 4, and 5 are the same issue, correct?

[2:29:16] Voice 4: 11, 3 is different. Oh, sorry. 4 and 5 are the same. You're right. Okay, so 11, 3.

[2:29:22] Voice 4: so this was originally supposed to go to executive committee but it didn't apparently

[2:29:30] Voice 4: so i have forwarded the letter to executive committee and it will be not agenda because

[2:29:35] Voice 4: it's addressed to ec council so i think it's just here for information but i'm trying to understand

[2:29:49] Voice 4: the two questions will the information gain be integrated into land use planning and lead to

[2:29:54] Voice 4: the drafting of new directive policies in the Trust Policy Statement and OCP to protect the groundwater

[2:30:00] Voice 4: supply recharge areas and ecosystems? Yes. In my view,

[2:30:04] Voice 4: absolutely. The information from the groundwater study is

[2:30:09] Voice 4: specifically for the drafting of directive policies. Will the

[2:30:16] Voice 4: water balance study inform and direct trust council and the

[2:30:19] Voice 4: staff's land use decisions by limiting density increases in

[2:30:23] Voice 4: groundwater recharge areas?

[2:30:28] Voice 3: Well, it will inform us.

[2:30:35] Voice 3: i think it

[2:30:35] Voice 4: still would yeah i mean you're not going to permit density increases in groundwater

[2:30:43] Voice 4: recharge areas if you've got a dpa there i think it's contingent on having the tools in place

[2:30:49] Voice 4: staff can't just arbitrarily decide because of the water balance study that these areas are all

[2:30:57] Voice 4: has to catch up to that so I'm

[2:31:02] Voice 13: not sure what yeah

[2:31:11] Voice 3: yeah so

[2:31:18] Voice 13: the main question for me is

[2:31:19] Voice 13: will the information gained from the water belt studies be integrated into land planning

[2:31:26] Voice 13: yeah what why wouldn't it be that's what I think

[2:31:29] Voice 4: I think the question is clear for Gabriel I'm

[2:31:32] Voice 4: I'm less clear for the entire trust council so the study is done

[2:31:36] Voice 3: before

[2:31:38] Voice 4: it carries on because it's a new approach.

[2:31:50] Voice 13: I mean, the whole reason we spent money on this study was to make it useful to the OCP review side.

[2:31:57] Voice 13: It's almost like we had done it in question, but it is serious.

[2:32:08] Voice 4: it's recognizing the process that's already underway and the outcome of which is going to

[2:32:13] Voice 4: result in a new ocp i can't say that or speak to the new trust policy statement because that's

[2:32:19] Voice 4: outside of our well i think i think in some ways they are i mean there are no one study like on

[2:32:26] Voice 4: salt spring we've had we have a water amount study but they're also taking each watershed

[2:32:30] Voice 4: looking at from a climate change perspective as well and sort of looking at the individual impact

[2:32:36] Voice 4: impact. So it there are different levels of studies based on geography and that that help

[2:32:43] Voice 4: augment these things. So yeah, it's a combination.

[2:32:46] Voice 4: And we do know that we are putting a climate lens over everything.

[2:32:50] Voice 4: I mean, we'll see what you do.

[2:32:51] Voice 4: So well, I just yeah, I wasn't sure.

[2:32:56] Voice 4: I just wanted the letter writer to know this is going to executive committee and we have

[2:33:02] Voice 4: received it as well.

[2:33:03] Voice 4: So I guess if there's any action to be undertaken,

[2:33:13] Voice 4: the Water and Finance Group is meeting today.

[2:33:15] Voice 4: So.

[2:33:15] Voice 4: Right.

[2:33:15] Voice 4: So it is.

[2:33:16] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:33:18] Voice 13: Thanks.

[2:33:18] Voice 13: All right then.

[2:33:23] Voice 4: So then the next items,

[2:33:24] Voice 4: the next four and five are really the same issue here.

[2:33:30] Voice 4: Degnan Bay.

[2:33:33] Voice 4: Degnan Bay?

[2:33:34] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:33:34] Voice 4: Degnan.

[2:33:37] Voice 4: So what are your questions here?

[2:33:40] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:33:41] Voice 4: Should we ask a-

[2:33:43] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:33:45] Voice 4: Officer Warren Digman, any information you know about this vessel and this vein?

[2:33:51] Voice 4: So one of our biggest concerns is we don't know who's planning on hauling this dead vessel over here.

[2:33:58] Voice 12: So, Chair, I've contacted the museum.

[2:34:00] Voice 12: The museum has passed on my information to the owner.

[2:34:06] Voice 12: I do have a name from someone else, but I haven't been able to confirm that they are the owner.

[2:34:11] Voice 12: They haven't registered this vessel.

[2:34:14] Voice 12: de-registered with the Amazon by the RCMP.

[2:34:17] Voice 12: So hopefully the new owner will contact me

[2:34:21] Voice 12: now that he has my information.

[2:34:25] Voice 3: Be able

[2:34:26] Voice 12: to open a conversation

[2:34:27] Voice 12: and let him know what the bylaw says

[2:34:30] Voice 12: about the uses in the bay.

[2:34:34] Voice 4: My worry is that he's going to haul it over here.

[2:34:36] Voice 4: It's not movable except by hauling it.

[2:34:39] Voice 4: He's going to dump it on top of these enormous

[2:34:42] Voice 4: cement blocks in eelgrass territory,

[2:34:45] Voice 4: laboratory, which are already there. He's already put the big cement blocks in there.

[2:34:49] Voice 4: It will sit on those cement blocks because it's a catamaran, and at high tide, it'll be just

[2:34:54] Voice 4: sitting there, and at low tide, I guess maybe the idea is to maybe float it off or whatever, but

[2:35:01] Voice 4: and my concern is that his supposed uses of this vessel are just all over the map from possible,

[2:35:11] Voice 4: you know, movies, making movies to oil

[2:35:15] Voice 13: spill rescue stuff.

[2:35:18] Voice 13: There's no distinct purposeful use

[2:35:23] Voice 4: for this large dead vessel.

[2:35:27] Voice 4: Other than the fact that the Vancouver Maritime Museum

[2:35:32] Voice 4: didn't want to pay to have it scrapped.

[2:35:34] Voice 4: And so out it goes, some guy buys it, probably very cheap.

[2:35:40] Voice 4: And it ends up in Deglan Bay,

[2:35:43] Voice 13: which is extremely concerning, especially since the blocks are enormous, they're huge, and they're already there waiting for this dead

[2:35:53] Voice 4: vessel to come over.

[2:35:55] Voice 4: I have a question about the blocks.

[2:35:58] Voice 4: So a community member brought up that their concern is,

[2:36:04] Voice 4: has there been an application about the concrete blocks

[2:36:09] Voice 4: to DFO for harmful alteration destruction permit?

[2:36:17] Voice 4: The blocks might constitute a HAB, she referenced.

[2:36:23] Voice 4: And so there may be some conversation

[2:36:26] Voice 4: about whether the blocks are destructive enough

[2:36:30] Voice 4: that there actually should have been a permit

[2:36:33] Voice 4: to put those at the bay,

[2:36:34] Voice 4: which isn't covered, of course, by Orlandi's by-law.

[2:36:37] Voice 4: But according to Orlandi's by-law,

[2:36:39] Voice 4: it's not a contrary to the by-law to put blocks in there.

[2:36:44] Voice 4: Is that correct?

[2:36:45] Voice 12: So Chair, if he's using the blocks to anchor mooring bones,

[2:36:50] Voice 12: and if this person is a resident of Gabriola,

[2:36:54] Voice 12: then that is permitted.

[2:36:57] Voice 12: Yes. I

[2:36:58] Voice 12: have a name of a person who may reside in Gabriola. I just can't confirm that. It's

[2:37:03] Voice 12: not a property owner, but if I do an internet search, the name comes up associated with

[2:37:08] Voice 12: Gabriola. So

[2:37:09] Voice 12: if he rents a home in Gabriola and he sets up the mooring buoys for this

[2:37:14] Voice 12: vessel, that's a permitted use under the land use by law. These other proposed uses, if

[2:37:19] Voice 12: they're commercial or industrial, no, those will not be permitted.

[2:37:24] Voice 4: so the approach now would be to advise whoever the owner might be that you know here's the limits of

[2:37:33] Voice 4: what you can do with this vessel if it's brought here it could be used for pleasure for voting

[2:37:39] Voice 4: not for commercial or industrial use right

[2:37:42] Voice 12: so through the chair that would be the first step

[2:37:44] Voice 12: is just to advise them what the land use by law says so they know that you can stop rate

[2:37:49] Voice 12: lawful use. And as far as DFO, I don't know that they're concerned. They're not usually

[2:37:57] Voice 12: concerned with mooring buoys, as long as they're not a threat to navigation, some type of hazard.

[2:38:02] Voice 13: What

[2:38:03] Voice 4: about eelgrass? Like that doesn't matter? It's fish habitat, harmful alteration,

[2:38:10] Voice 4: destruction, displacement. So, you know, it's in a rockfish conservation

[2:38:16] Voice 13: zone, it's in an eelgrass

[2:38:18] Voice 13: area, and they're enormous.

[2:38:21] Voice 13: I've never seen green blocks that big.

[2:38:28] Voice 3: Okay, or follow-up.

[2:38:30] Voice 12: I think it's best if actually people have concerns

[2:38:35] Voice 12: about the

[2:38:36] Voice 12: eelgrass or the fisheries, they should contact

[2:38:39] Voice 12: EFO directly.

[2:38:42] Voice 12: These other agencies that we deal with, they don't

[2:38:45] Voice 12: like our third-party complaints

[2:38:47] Voice 12: is what they amount to,

[2:38:49] Voice 3: and

[2:38:50] Voice 12: And you know, they're not necessarily responsive to us,

[2:38:54] Voice 12: so they may be more responsive to individuals

[2:38:56] Voice 12: who complained about that specific concern.

[2:39:03] Voice 12: So

[2:39:03] Voice 4: should we respond to these two letter writers,

[2:39:07] Voice 4: let them know that my law enforcement

[2:39:10] Voice 4: is investigating the file?

[2:39:12] Voice 4: We already have.

[2:39:13] Voice 4: But that request them to contact the above?

[2:39:17] Voice 4: It sounded

[2:39:18] Voice 4: as though Brad Nixon's daughter

[2:39:20] Voice 4: or would have contacts with but we can

[2:39:22] Voice 13: certainly let them know that that's a really good idea to

[2:39:25] Voice 13: contact yeah well i think they're already taking

[2:39:28] Voice 4: action in the way that they should and our job

[2:39:31] Voice 4: would be to direct them in any other way but they're already doing so i don't see any need

[2:39:37] Voice 4: to respond to it right so carry on at this point then

[2:39:43] Voice 13: so

[2:39:44] Voice 4: that moves us on to item 13 1 on the

[2:39:48] Voice 4: agenda page 227 and this is the housing advisory planning commission turn

[2:39:55] Voice 3: and

[2:39:58] Voice 4: i'm just going to

[2:40:01] Voice 4: talk about this sorry

[2:40:02] Voice 11: i can talk about it it's um i think it's one of the greatest reports really

[2:40:06] Voice 11: that you have a housing advisory planning commission which are about to expire in may

[2:40:12] Voice 11: and so we're requesting that you if you want to continue having a housing advisory planning

[2:40:17] Voice 11: commission that you uh ask staff to add to their public expressions of interest and reach out to

[2:40:22] Voice 11: those uh current members to invite their expression of interest as well

[2:40:28] Voice 13: trustees i always ask whether

[2:40:31] Voice 13: we need a housing advisory planning commission on top of an apc and i'm not asking that because i

[2:40:37] Voice 13: have any particular leaning one way or the other do all of the trust areas have housing advisory

[2:40:44] Voice 13: advisory planning commissions?

[2:40:45] Voice 11: I don't believe all, no, they don't at all.

[2:40:49] Voice 4: You guys were the first,

[2:40:50] Voice 4: we had one last term with ourselves.

[2:40:54] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:40:55] Voice 4: Advisory planning commissions can be struck

[2:40:57] Voice 4: for any purpose if agriculture is needed

[2:40:59] Voice 4: and the Skid Row LTC has had a

[2:41:02] Voice 4: for at least 12 years as a major project.

[2:41:06] Voice 4: So that was why there was a need for a separate HAPC

[2:41:09] Voice 4: and I would say the members

[2:41:13] Voice 4: may still want to be

[2:41:16] Voice 4: involved. Just seeing my feedback

[2:41:17] Voice 4: from the one referral,

[2:41:21] Voice 4: there's

[2:41:21] Voice 4: some housing considerations there

[2:41:23] Voice 4: and I think

[2:41:26] Voice 4: keeping more people engaged

[2:41:27] Voice 4: is better. I don't think it's

[2:41:30] Voice 4: a lot of staff effort unless

[2:41:31] Voice 4: we have a referral.

[2:41:34] Voice 11: I was going to

[2:41:35] Voice 11: mention they are also involved

[2:41:38] Voice 11: in particular really early on

[2:41:40] Voice 11: in the OCP project.

[2:41:41] Voice 11: I think

[2:41:42] Voice 11: it was a report, but I'm going to report back to you about the housing options.

[2:41:48] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:41:48] Voice 13: I definitely see the need right now.

[2:41:51] Voice 4: So, trustees, what would you like to do?

[2:41:53] Voice 13: Sure.

[2:41:55] Voice 4: Let's go for it.

[2:41:58] Voice 4: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request the act to send

[2:42:04] Voice 4: to members of the Housing Advisory Planning Commission.

[2:42:07] Voice 4: His terms will expire

[2:42:08] Voice 13: on May 11th, 2025.

[2:42:10] Voice 13: 25, thanking them for their participation and inviting their expressions of interest

[2:42:16] Voice 13: for reappointment for another two-year term,

[2:42:18] Voice 4: and advertise for public expressions of interest

[2:42:22] Voice 4: for new members.

[2:42:24] Voice 4: There are a second.

[2:42:25] Voice 4: Second.

[2:42:25] Voice 4: Trustee Elliott, any discussion?

[2:42:28] Voice 4: All in all, then, all those in favor?

[2:42:30] Voice 4: That carries.

[2:42:33] Voice 4: Okay, then.

[2:42:34] Voice 4: Now we'll move on to 13.2, which is the Bylaw of Compliance and Enforcement Policy Review

[2:42:39] Voice 4: staff report. I assume the manager, Damon, will review that report.

[2:42:44] Voice 12: Yes, Chair. So this report deals with

[2:42:49] Voice 12: several basic issues regarding current

[2:42:52] Voice 12: compliance reports with policies, standing resolutions,

[2:42:57] Voice 12: specific policy dealing with non-compliant dwellings.

[2:43:00] Voice 12: It also references a need for some

[2:43:05] Voice 12: housekeeping items with the Bend By-law.

[2:43:08] Voice 12: The report summary is to provide an update

[2:43:11] Voice 12: on your compliance and enforcement files for

[2:43:13] Voice 12: non-compliant dwellings, and you have a table as an attachment for those files, and address

[2:43:19] Voice 12: your current policies in place, and standing resolutions that you can rescind.

[2:43:24] Voice 12: You've got a main compliance and enforcement document.

[2:43:30] Voice 12: The non-compliant dwellings you've got in total here with the attachment, there's 23 total files.

[2:43:42] Voice 12: You've got 39 non-compliant dwellings on lots that only permit 24.

[2:43:52] Voice 12: So we are getting close to almost double the density that was intended with the land use by-law.

[2:43:58] Voice 12: off. Several of these properties at the initial time of complaint, initial investigation,

[2:44:05] Voice 12: do have multiple non-compliant drawings, usually travel trailers. You'll know the

[2:44:11] Voice 12: one that are in these four that have three plus travel trailers on it that

[2:44:18] Voice 12: were used or are still currently being used on these properties. So one of the recommendations

[2:44:27] Voice 12: patients for the local trust committee was that you consider putting a limit on the number

[2:44:34] Voice 12: saying two let's keep to a maximum of two as a possible change to your policy in section 4.2

[2:44:43] Voice 12: with the resolutions these other resolutions very non-compliant drawings and certification

[2:44:49] Voice 12: rentals in the public markets there's a recommendation that you can rescind those

[2:44:53] Voice 12: standing resolutions now you've got the policy document in place and the LTC can

[2:45:01] Voice 12: request amendments to the Bend By-law so we can bring it up to date with LUD

[2:45:07] Voice 12: changes and simplify it and also add a contravention penalty for failure to

[2:45:16] Voice 12: to obtain a development permit,

[2:45:20] Voice 12: develop permit areas, housekeeping items such as that.

[2:45:27] Voice 12: Yeah, in the end, I think it's reasonable

[2:45:30] Voice 12: to put a limit on the number of dwellings.

[2:45:34] Voice 12: If there are continuing, you know,

[2:45:35] Voice 12: there are some concerns about the proliferation

[2:45:38] Voice 12: on some of these lots.

[2:45:40] Voice 12: Although overall, it's just not a major problem.

[2:45:44] Voice 12: and I don't believe there's been a proliferation.

[2:45:48] Voice 12: As I mentioned in one paragraph,

[2:45:52] Voice 12: you know, in 2021 alone,

[2:45:54] Voice 12: there were eight files open for non-applied dwellings.

[2:45:56] Voice 12: But since the policy was adopted in 2022

[2:45:59] Voice 12: to defer enforcement,

[2:46:01] Voice 12: we've only have two or eight new files open.

[2:46:04] Voice 12: So I don't see a trend where there's a proliferation

[2:46:07] Voice 12: of the travel trailers being used.

[2:46:10] Voice 12: One example.

[2:46:14] Voice 4: interesting questions for staff it's really helpful to see the date so thank you for this

[2:46:21] Voice 4: table and i really wanted to surface this information to find out if there actually

[2:46:27] Voice 4: is evidence that there's a problem um as in we're attracting or allowing people to live in

[2:46:39] Voice 4: in unsafe situations that are degrading the neighborhood and so on so i could see that

[2:46:47] Voice 4: there's maybe a few cases if you look at the last three on one on cherry and trillion way

[2:46:54] Voice 4: where there's a number but they're on separate lots and perhaps that accumulated

[2:47:02] Voice 4: accumulated, or the cumulative impact of those two, three, four travel trailers is causing a lot of concern. My question is, rather than limiting, say, the number of trailers, what are the options for the LTC to direct enforcement specifically in cases where, you know, this has become a problem for the neighborhood?

[2:47:29] Voice 4: Maybe there's only one travel trailer, but besides all the other reasons, health and safety, there's no compromising the well, but they're just, it's causing a problem.

[2:47:40] Voice 4: We could direct enforcement, could we direct enforcement on that?

[2:47:43] Voice 4: Or does the policy need to be consistent and the same for absolutely everybody?

[2:47:47] Voice 4: And that's why you're suggesting a two-travel trailer limit.

[2:47:52] Voice 12: So through you, Chair, LTC has before basically rescinded the deferment for a specific property

[2:48:01] Voice 12: because there was a proliferation of travel trailers.

[2:48:04] Voice 12: So for any of these files, you can ask for a specific report.

[2:48:08] Voice 12: We can give you the report, and then you can – I mean, it's entirely at your discretion

[2:48:12] Voice 12: to continue to defer enforcement or say no, move forward and enforce on these properties

[2:48:18] Voice 12: is, as you believe it's in the committee's interest to do so. We had the property on

[2:48:25] Voice 12: Bruce Lynn Road where the LPC rescinded that deferment so that we could further enforce

[2:48:33] Voice 12: and bring an end to that large encampment on the property.

[2:48:39] Voice 4: I have a comment about the recommendation. So recommendation number two is to replace

[2:48:46] Voice 4: the current section with the following and it says at the end or or if there are more than

[2:48:52] Voice 4: two non-compliant drawings or travel failures um i would i would want to see that number as

[2:49:00] Voice 4: one if there are more than one non-compliant two is like opening the doors

[2:49:10] Voice 4: why would you need more why would you need why would

[2:49:13] Voice 13: you need more than one if you're

[2:49:15] Voice 13: from literally planning on building a home and not just having a bunch of trailers stuck up

[2:49:21] Voice 4: why would you need one and this is what i've observed just going around to some of these

[2:49:26] Voice 4: places that have multiple trailers you know just in there for quite some time

[2:49:34] Voice 4: i would not agree with this unless it was more than one non-compliant dwelling

[2:49:42] Voice 4: yeah my view is that um amending the policy to any number one or two or three

[2:49:53] Voice 4: means you're de facto allowing a kind of form of housing that we don't currently allow

[2:50:02] Voice 4: but it's going to be really hard to it's it's impossible to tell from the number

[2:50:09] Voice 4: whether you're discriminating against somebody who's in true housing need or somebody who's

[2:50:17] Voice 4: living there because they don't want to get a building permit for that so they're eventually

[2:50:21] Voice 4: going to build so how to just determine what is you know our lack of housing on the island

[2:50:29] Voice 4: is leading to people who live in trailers as well as the

[2:50:34] Voice 4: economic like reality costs have gone up

[2:50:38] Voice 4: incredibly. So I don't think amending the policy to say two or one is going to

[2:50:47] Voice 4: solve the problem. Solving the problem will be amending our OCP.

[2:50:54] Voice 4: Solving the problem will have federal and provincial governments giving money for

[2:50:59] Voice 4: cooperative and group housing and affordable housing. There's no way a

[2:51:05] Voice 4: local government can solve the current housing problem across this province

[2:51:09] Voice 4: for this country all we can do is attempt to make it somehow bearable for

[2:51:17] Voice 13: people who already live

[2:51:18] Voice 13: here but we have no control over it well i want to go back to the letter

[2:51:23] Voice 4: writer um which katherine

[2:51:26] Voice 4: and mark sent in so it's on page 216 16 to 219

[2:51:38] Voice 4: so it's saying deliberate breaches of clause 6.4.1 of bylaw 177 the provision that allows

[2:51:50] Voice 4: a trailer to be used as a temporary dwelling for two years while building subject to a number of

[2:51:55] Voice 4: conditions that include the septic system holding building permit and fencing so the letter writer

[2:52:04] Voice 4: and other people who have talked to me are concerned about this policy that people are

[2:52:09] Voice 4: taking advantage as in we've bought properties with no intent to build they could stall trailers

[2:52:17] Voice 4: on them where they've bought properties with the intent to build but later is not taking any steps

[2:52:23] Voice 4: towards building so i think i know the letter writer is trying to ask us to separate those

[2:52:31] Voice 4: two cases people who are in real housing need versus people who are living in trailers because

[2:52:37] Voice 4: because they're not getting a building permit yet

[2:52:38] Voice 4: or don't seem to have an intent to.

[2:52:41] Voice 4: Is there a way to do that under this policy?

[2:52:44] Voice 4: Because I don't think limiting to one or two trailers

[2:52:46] Voice 4: is the remedy for that situation.

[2:52:49] Voice 4: But you as a by-law enforcement manager,

[2:52:52] Voice 4: are you in a position to be able to talk

[2:52:54] Voice 4: to the subject of a complaint and say,

[2:52:58] Voice 4: are you intending to apply for building permits

[2:53:00] Voice 4: or are you insecurely housed

[2:53:02] Voice 4: and there's just no way you can get a house other than our?

[2:53:06] Voice 4: i'm just thinking could could it be dealt with if you were to make that policy in addition to

[2:53:13] Voice 4: one lawful dwelling so that that solves that issue they're not living on they're not you know

[2:53:19] Voice 4: if they've got a lawful dwelling you have a limitation number on top of that because then

[2:53:24] Voice 4: that solves the i'm living in a trailer and not building a house on the

[2:53:29] Voice 4: land i'm just gonna live

[2:53:30] Voice 4: in a trailer for the rest of the time or

[2:53:33] Voice 13: i'm living in a trailer and i'm renting out this

[2:53:35] Voice 13: other trailer and then i'm ending up this other chain there yeah

[2:53:37] Voice 4: well i understand the limit

[2:53:39] Voice 4: that's what i said the limit to limit number but to address your issue of somebody separating the

[2:53:44] Voice 4: issue of a person just living in a trailer and avoiding building a house i mean they own the land

[2:53:52] Voice 4: we're using a trailer instead of a house but like how can you prove an intent to build a house

[2:54:01] Voice 12: So Chair, you apply for your building permit. For these last three files here, 6061 and 62, there's two building, well one does have the building permit.

[2:54:14] Voice 12: The information that I have is that it's, they have it, it's posted on their law.

[2:54:19] Voice 3: So

[2:54:19] Voice 12: they're legally allowed to build their house and live in the travel trip for the two years.

[2:54:25] Voice 12: yes they need to have some screening and septic and i think they have it the other property has

[2:54:31] Voice 12: its building application in we've done the referral i think it's complete and it's just

[2:54:36] Voice 12: now up to the rdn to issue the building permit so you've only got one trailer and they're doing

[2:54:44] Voice 12: they're doing everything properly regular contact with them to ensure that okay the one property's

[2:54:52] Voice 12: got the building permit the other one should have it soon and there's just the one with the two

[2:54:57] Voice 12: trailers on it where we may have no progress then the other two we have progress okay as

[2:55:03] Voice 12: far as and

[2:55:04] Voice 12: that's that's what the standard that we've always been used because in the bylaw is do you how do

[2:55:10] Voice 12: you show your intent do you have your building permit or have you submitted your application

[2:55:14] Voice 12: for a building permit for the single family law yeah and

[2:55:18] Voice 12: that's what most of these cases are

[2:55:21] Voice 12: they're just in the process of getting a building permit or some of these made

[2:55:27] Voice 12: that would list here I haven't checked up on all of them some of them may have

[2:55:31] Voice 12: their building permits for some of these other trailers as well you

[2:55:38] Voice 4: know what

[2:55:40] Voice 4: about the secondary suite and trailers more

[2:55:44] Voice 13: than one trailer and a secondary

[2:55:46] Voice 13: suite what's going on there there are

[2:55:49] Voice 12: a couple of properties that yes they have

[2:55:51] Voice 12: multiple units so

[2:55:55] Voice 4: if those are an issue can we get an update which was a

[2:56:02] Voice 4: condition of this policy is getting an annual update on all those outstanding

[2:56:06] Voice 4: files and I would say in camera next time I appreciate this this doesn't

[2:56:11] Voice 4: reveal people's identities at least but the ones that we may need to direct

[2:56:16] Voice 4: enforcement on um in the future because there are problems and there's too many trailers i would

[2:56:24] Voice 4: rather have that case by case even though i know it's no more work i just don't see how we can

[2:56:31] Voice 4: amend the policy to say two trailers are not okay or one trailer is okay

[2:56:40] Voice 4: to because you cannot tell unless you're having conversations that person is in housing need

[2:56:46] Voice 4: or they're using it just indefinitely because so Catherine you write we struggle to think of

[2:56:55] Voice 4: any reason why enforcement should continue to be deferred the reason I would say that enforcement

[2:57:00] Voice 4: continues to be deferred is because we still have the exact same OCP and the conditions are still

[2:57:07] Voice 4: the same but people are struggling to find any legitimate forms of housing there's no rental

[2:57:13] Voice 4: stock so we have letter writers people who've lived here for 15 years and they've continually

[2:57:19] Voice 4: bumped and bumped and bumped and so until the ocp process can provide some sufficient housing

[2:57:27] Voice 4: options i don't see lifting this non-enforcement policy deferral um because people are still

[2:57:35] Voice 4: struggling i just can't think of a way to

[2:57:40] Voice 12: so through the chair the ltc can pass a motion and

[2:57:45] Voice 12: And we can request the reports on, say, all of the lots with three plus, three or four.

[2:57:52] Voice 13: Oh, two plus.

[2:57:56] Voice 12: I'm suggesting as a first group, we do the ones with the most non-compliant dwellings.

[2:58:03] Voice 12: There's four I've circled here.

[2:58:05] Voice 12: That can be the first group.

[2:58:07] Voice 12: And then after you've made a decision on the first group, we can move to the second group

[2:58:12] Voice 12: with the multiple multiple units

[2:58:15] Voice 6: and

[2:58:18] Voice 3: i'm totally open to being convinced otherwise i just

[2:58:25] Voice 4: well

[2:58:25] Voice 13: i don't see how um our updated ocp when we finally get to that i don't see how that's

[2:58:31] Voice 13: going to necessarily provide more rental units it's up to people who live here to decide if they

[2:58:39] Voice 13: want to provide rental space it depends somewhat on what we allow of course

[2:58:46] Voice 13: i don't see an updated ocp waiting for that to provide more rental units i just don't see that

[2:58:56] Voice 13: that's

[2:58:57] Voice 4: going to result in more rental units

[2:59:00] Voice 4: which it did well it's a pathway for compliance

[2:59:03] Voice 4: and it gives it gives by law enforcement another tool when they're working with an owner here's

[2:59:09] Voice 4: your options right is there a legal path that you can convert to rather than an illegal path

[2:59:15] Voice 4: so that's that's where you can drive them into it yeah of course the same like our short-term

[2:59:21] Voice 4: vacation yeah um

[2:59:24] Voice 13: um well i i do have a question about this column permitted density and it says

[2:59:30] Voice 13: 24. i don't understand where that 24 comes from it's

[2:59:36] Voice 12: just a total number of densities so either

[2:59:38] Voice 12: Either it's a small lot and you're allowed one dwelling, or it's five plus, I'd say, two hectares plus and you're allowed two.

[2:59:46] Voice 12: It's just the basic count.

[2:59:47] Voice 13: Oh, okay.

[2:59:48] Voice 12: You're either allowed one or two, or none, like in Dignan Bay.

[2:59:55] Voice 12: That's it. It's just a rough number here.

[2:59:57] Voice 12: I tell it up. This is what they should...

[3:00:00] Voice 12: have a maximum of 24 units of dwelling units of any kind

[3:00:06] Voice 4: so i will respond to your um you don't

[3:00:14] Voice 4: know how the ocp process could provide more rental units but i certainly know there's community

[3:00:19] Voice 4: members who are desperately hoping that the ocp reviewed this letter right which just came in

[3:00:27] Voice 4: we've been living here for 15 years lived in several unauthorized housing locations due to

[3:00:32] Voice 4: the shortage of rentals available over the last five years but in housing the landlords are not

[3:00:37] Voice 4: respectful of our rates as tenants it's incredibly challenging people do not like to rent to long

[3:00:43] Voice 4: term rentals i am in very close contact with so co-buying permitting secondary suites to be built

[3:00:50] Voice 4: renovated lived in while living sustainably community deserves to have legal aspects on

[3:00:56] Voice 4: this and zoning revisited so we can find sustainable ways to support our low income

[3:01:00] Voice 4: kind of elderly residents this there's no doubt in my mind that my age group and younger has no

[3:01:10] Voice 4: chance of getting into housing unless you cooperate together to buy land those are the

[3:01:17] Voice 4: kind of housing options we have to start talking about and going into that because we need any kind

[3:01:22] Voice 4: of housing stock that is not single-family blind so we have people who are essential in our

[3:01:28] Voice 4: community who are living year to year in instability and i can't say which ones are

[3:01:36] Voice 4: living in rvs or which ones are unpermitted dwellings but until we have some better options

[3:01:42] Voice 4: through the ocp review i i need to be convinced that this enforcement policy should be changed

[3:01:50] Voice 4: the only change that i um you've suggested the lack of approved septic system could change to

[3:01:58] Voice 4: lack of approved sewage disposal systems I agree with that terminology um I think if there's a

[3:02:06] Voice 4: demonstrated issue that it's having neighborhood impacts or there's unlawful activities happening

[3:02:12] Voice 4: or it's just being they're not being good neighbors but bring it to us and and we can

[3:02:18] Voice 4: direct enforcement I don't have a problem with that I have a problem with changing this broad

[3:02:25] Voice 4: scale and then it having unintended consequences and creating a lot of fear in the community we

[3:02:30] Voice 4: did have a letter from people who are worried about being oh yeah

[3:02:34] Voice 4: i've squeezed out they have

[3:02:35] Voice 4: my

[3:02:35] Voice 13: sympathy i completely get it i don't know that it's necessarily related to a number of these

[3:02:42] Voice 13: non-compliant points

[3:02:45] Voice 3: so

[3:02:49] Voice 4: i'm definitely someone what's your recommendation for dealing or how

[3:02:53] Voice 4: How would you like to deal with this then?

[3:02:54] Voice 4: Is it either changed?

[3:03:01] Voice 4: I mean, we're probably not even ready to rescind

[3:03:04] Voice 4: those three standing resolutions.

[3:03:07] Voice 4: They're in lawful short-term vacation and flows.

[3:03:10] Voice 4: We're just rescinding these

[3:03:12] Voice 4: because they're captured in our policy, right?

[3:03:15] Voice 4: Yep.

[3:03:19] Voice 13: The new policy.

[3:03:21] Voice 13: And I'm not happy about adopting the new policy

[3:03:26] Voice 13: unless we change that number from two to one.

[3:03:30] Voice 4: and then I'm happy with it.

[3:03:32] Voice 4: So question, is this something that could be referred

[3:03:34] Voice 4: to the Housing Advisory Planning Commission?

[3:03:37] Voice 13: What?

[3:03:38] Voice 4: It could be.

[3:03:38] Voice 13: Any

[3:03:39] Voice 4: members, what they think?

[3:03:42] Voice 4: Because these are people who are invested in housing.

[3:03:45] Voice 4: Some of them are housing insecure.

[3:03:47] Voice 4: All that could happen.

[3:03:51] Voice 4: I

[3:03:54] Voice 13: would be reluctant to.

[3:03:55] Voice 13: I don't think that's appropriate.

[3:03:57] Voice 13: I mean, it's sort of to get the desire to do that.

[3:04:02] Voice 13: I think we need to make this decision and we need we need the Housing Advisory Planning Commission members to work on really positive steps.

[3:04:13] Voice 4: How do we, what could stand then under two? What would be okay?

[3:04:22] Voice 4: Dressy Elliott in your mind? I would just end up drinking sources personally.

[3:04:28] Voice 4: And then consider asking Manager Dingman to bring a report to a future meeting of properties

[3:04:43] Voice 4: with over X.

[3:04:45] Voice 13: Well, I mean, to me, that last phrase is really important.

[3:04:50] Voice 13: That's a really important part of replacing

[3:04:52] Voice 4: Section 4.2 is looking at the number of...

[3:04:57] Voice 4: We can still go back and revisit it.

[3:05:00] Voice 4: But you're not making a permanent

[3:05:01] Voice 4: decision.

[3:05:03] Voice 4: But I think if we could get an agreement today

[3:05:05] Voice 4: to at least get to have an additional resolution

[3:05:10] Voice 4: asking to have a report back on those cases

[3:05:13] Voice 4: that are over whatever number you wish to look at,

[3:05:17] Voice 4: then you can always amend the policy at a later date.

[3:05:22] Voice 4: Yeah, certainly.

[3:05:23] Voice 4: Trustee Elliott?

[3:05:24] Voice 4: So yeah, I'm just going through the table again.

[3:05:27] Voice 4: So 2022 was when the policy was instituted, and the number of trailers, you know, the North Road one, the South Street one, Monty Miller Way, so those top three would be the only growth of one, and then the Bertha, which have been pre.

[3:05:51] Voice 4: like i would rather personally i'd rather have a report come to us so that we can decide i think

[3:05:59] Voice 4: i would need more information about what's the actual situation going on is this just

[3:06:05] Voice 4: because some of these could be you know landlords that are taking advantage and absolutely that

[3:06:12] Voice 4: shouldn't be um especially if they're providing unsafe trailers or unserviced trailers to to rent

[3:06:21] Voice 4: and to live in.

[3:06:22] Voice 4: Exploitation.

[3:06:23] Voice 4: So I would say if we can ask by law enforcement

[3:06:27] Voice 4: to follow up on all the properties

[3:06:30] Voice 4: that have two or more trailers

[3:06:34] Voice 4: and bring a report back in camera

[3:06:37] Voice 4: so that we can talk and understand the issues,

[3:06:42] Voice 4: then we can make decisions on them individually.

[3:06:45] Voice 4: And do you want to put this into advance right now?

[3:06:48] Voice 4: I think we can do the rest of them.

[3:06:52] Voice 4: Yeah, these are the rest of its housekeeping.

[3:06:56] Voice 13: Do you want to make that motion, Trustee Collier?

[3:06:58] Voice 13: I'm happy to second it.

[3:07:00] Voice 13: Sure.

[3:07:02] Voice 4: I move that the Hale Island Local Trust Committee

[3:07:05] Voice 4: rescind the following three standing resolutions,

[3:07:07] Voice 4: GBLTC 2022-089,

[3:07:11] Voice 4: standing resolution on enforcement of non-compliant dwellings,

[3:07:15] Voice 4: GBLTC 2020-053,

[3:07:19] Voice 4: Standing Resolution Authorizing Proactive Enforcement on Unlawful Short-Term Rentals, NGB LTC 2019-038.

[3:07:28] Voice 4: Standing Resolution Deferring Enforcement, Limited Public Markets Operating Indoors.

[3:07:34] Voice 4: I'm going to second that.

[3:07:36] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[3:07:38] Voice 4: Yes.

[3:07:39] Voice 4: I just want to make it clear for anyone listening that there is still a policy in place that is deferring enforcement.

[3:07:48] Voice 4: it's just removing the duplicate standing resolutions.

[3:07:52] Voice 4: So we still need to have further conversation

[3:07:55] Voice 4: about the non-enforcement policy.

[3:07:58] Voice 4: And it's always better to have a bylaw

[3:08:00] Voice 4: than a standing resolution.

[3:08:01] Voice 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

[3:08:02] Voice 13: Anything, is

[3:08:03] Voice 4: there any further discussion?

[3:08:05] Voice 4: I'll call both in, all those in favor?

[3:08:07] Voice 4: That carries.

[3:08:10] Voice 4: Do you wanna make a motion now

[3:08:11] Voice 13: about asking Magistrate Dingman to come back to us?

[3:08:20] Voice 13: I always have more work for you, Manager Dingman.

[3:08:28] Voice 3: You

[3:08:28] Voice 4: produce an incredible amount of work for us, not

[3:08:32] Voice 4: just for us, we know.

[3:08:39] Voice 4: So we're looking for specifics in which there's more than two non-compliant dwellings or trailers

[3:08:45] Voice 4: used as residences.

[3:08:48] Voice 4: Would you be able to get

[3:08:52] Voice 4: that ready for June?

[3:08:52] Voice 13: June. Our next one is not until June, I think.

[3:08:55] Voice 3: Chair,

[3:09:03] Voice 6: there should be a follow-up on June.

[3:09:09] Voice 4: Yeah, June 26.

[3:09:13] Voice 4: Okay. So it'd be something like requesting staff to report back

[3:09:17] Voice 4: at an incompetential meeting or encounter

[3:09:20] Voice 4: for an encounter discussion with a report on all files

[3:09:26] Voice 4: or all file enforcement files

[3:09:29] Voice 4: with more than two non-compliant dwellings or travel trailers

[3:09:33] Voice 4: used as a residence on the property.

[3:09:36] Voice 4: I wanted to say used as a residence, because some of them are not being used as a residence.

[3:09:40] Voice 4: They're for other people.

[3:09:41] Voice 4: Just non-compliant dwellings.

[3:09:42] Voice 4: Yes.

[3:09:43] Voice 4: More than two non-compliant dwellings with travel trailers.

[3:09:48] Voice 4: Well, that's a good one.

[3:09:49] Voice 4: Let's read it back when she's ready.

[3:09:53] Voice 13: And do we want the date?

[3:09:55] Voice 13: Because Manager Dingman says he can bring it to us for June.

[3:09:57] Voice 13: Do we need a date?

[3:09:58] Voice 13: Doesn't matter.

[3:10:00] Voice 4: All right.

[3:10:00] Voice 4: I'll let Lisa read that.

[3:10:01] Voice 4: Did the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff report back for in-camera discussion

[3:10:06] Voice 4: with a report on all bylaw enforcement files that have two or more non-compliant

[3:10:11] Voice 4: dwellings or travel trailers on the property. That

[3:10:15] Voice 4: sounds good, can you make that movie?

[3:10:20] Voice 4: Second by Trustee Yates, is there any discussion? Call the vote then, all those in favour?

[3:10:27] Voice 4: And that carries. So then the second recommendation, the only change is the

[3:10:38] Voice 4: sewage to sewage disposal systems or septic to sewage disposal systems was there a reason for

[3:10:45] Voice 4: that word or it's just the new language like the old standing resolution in that

[3:10:51] Voice 12: subject i think

[3:10:53] Voice 12: so the reference to sewage disposal systems is in the new compliance that works with poland

[3:10:58] Voice 4: right the

[3:10:59] Voice 12: standing resolution may have been different

[3:11:01] Voice 4: yeah yeah probably it was older what

[3:11:07] Voice 4: What would you

[3:11:08] Voice 4: like to do there?

[3:11:09] Voice 13: Well, I'll leave it to you to move it if you want.

[3:11:12] Voice 13: Yes.

[3:11:13] Voice 13: Well, I will not move it unless we can change that number two to one, more than one.

[3:11:21] Voice 13: But you're welcome to move it and

[3:11:23] Voice 4: have Laura second it.

[3:11:25] Voice 4: Oh, boom.

[3:11:26] Voice 4: I don't think there's a, I wouldn't use the recommendation.

[3:11:30] Voice 4: I wouldn't change it.

[3:11:35] Voice 3: I don't think.

[3:11:36] Voice 3: So,

[3:11:40] Voice 12: Chair, the Standing Resolution had a reference to septic systems.

[3:11:45] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:11:46] Voice 12: The current policy has this reference to sewage disposal systems.

[3:11:49] Voice 12: Oh, I see.

[3:11:51] Voice 12: So, you presented the Standing Resolution, so you don't need to remove the reference to septic systems.

[3:11:57] Thanks.

[3:12:01] Voice 3: Do we have a motion?

[3:12:03] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:12:04] Voice 4: Well,

[3:12:05] Voice 13: then I will

[3:12:06] Voice 4: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee adopt the following amendment

[3:12:10] Voice 4: to the Gabriel Island By

[3:12:12] Voice 13: -law Compliance and Enforcement Policy

[3:12:13] Voice 13: with the following.

[3:12:15] Voice 13: Replace the current Section 4.2 with the following.

[3:12:20] Voice 4: Enforcement on non-compliant dwellings will be deferred

[3:12:23] Voice 4: unless there are contraventions in development permit areas

[3:12:26] Voice 4: or other environmentally sensitive areas,

[3:12:29] Voice 4: or if there are concerns about health and safety

[3:12:32] Voice 4: or the lack of approved student disposal systems,

[3:12:35] Voice 4: or if it is determined that there is contamination of wells

[3:12:39] Voice 4: for other drinking sources or if there is more than one non-compliant dwelling

[3:12:48] Voice 4: or travel trailer used as residences on a property is there a second is there a

[3:13:01] Voice 4: discussion. Christelia? Yeah, I will not be voting in favor. I do think, I think a considered

[3:13:17] Voice 4: case-by-case reasoning of the individual situations, and there are few enough of them

[3:13:26] Voice 4: that we can take them individually, is better than a broad-scale direction, which I think will

[3:13:33] Voice 4: send people into...

[3:13:36] Voice 3: I

[3:13:40] Voice 4: think it'll cause more fear and anxiety. And in this climate, I'm

[3:13:43] Voice 4: not ready to do that to this community. So I'd be in their favour.

[3:13:50] Voice 4: What does section 4.2 say today?

[3:13:54] Voice 4: The only change is the body, or if there are more than one, that last sentence.

[3:14:05] Voice 4: So if that

[3:14:06] Voice 6: sentence were removed from this, you would...

[3:14:10] Voice 4: Well,

[3:14:11] Voice 3: there's nothing to change.

[3:14:13] Voice 6: oh so okay gotcha um i

[3:14:27] Voice 4: think it's these are these are difficult i mean i i share your concern

[3:14:33] Voice 4: there are there are people who exploit situations and purposely are putting people into

[3:14:40] Voice 4: dangerous situations um but hopefully we can talk about that through the report back um on that

[3:14:51] Voice 4: My

[3:14:54] Voice 13: concern is that one is certainly acceptable because you know you need to live in a trailer

[3:15:01] Voice 13: for a certain amount of time to build your place or whatever and then maybe after you've built your

[3:15:07] Voice 13: place you might even be renting it out that might be okay too but why would you need more than one?

[3:15:17] Voice 4: I think of various reasons somebody bought a plot of land lost their job

[3:15:24] Voice 4: their elderly their parents moved on to it that's where they have to live and they need to travel

[3:15:29] Voice 4: trailers and i'd like to know whether there is a valid reason for two trailers to be used as

[3:15:35] Voice 4: residents there could be multiple family members they could be an exploitative landlord i we don't

[3:15:42] Voice 4: know the number of trailers does not necessarily tell us the situation and that's why i think it

[3:15:49] Voice 4: It needs to be case-by-case, because otherwise it's...

[3:15:53] Voice 4: And how is it going to come to us case-by-case?

[3:15:56] Voice 13: It's bringing us a report.

[3:15:57] Voice 13: Oh, no, I mean, this is a bylaw change.

[3:16:00] Voice 13: This goes into our bylaws.

[3:16:02] Voice 13: Like, this is a permanent, you know, bylaw.

[3:16:05] Voice 13: It's a policy.

[3:16:06] Voice 13: So after we get this one report, this is a permanent policy.

[3:16:13] Voice 12: So...

[3:16:15] Voice 12: No, this policy is just a policy that you're adopting,

[3:16:19] Voice 12: and you can change it at any time, it's not permanent.

[3:16:23] Voice 12: So these policies are not bylaws.

[3:16:26] Voice 12: This is the LDC expressing its discretion

[3:16:30] Voice 12: on any specific matter, establishing policies

[3:16:33] Voice 12: and how bylaws officers are going to ask for compliance

[3:16:38] Voice 12: and do enforcement on them.

[3:16:40] Voice 4: So we can change it after we have the report back next time.

[3:16:45] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:16:46] Voice 4: That's how I think.

[3:16:47] Voice 13: Okay, I mean, you know,

[3:16:49] Voice 13: yeah hard and fast i'm just i am thinking about a couple of places where no one should be living in

[3:16:55] Voice 13: those just no one yeah yeah

[3:16:59] Voice 4: and and the thing is is there aren't a significant number of complaints

[3:17:06] Voice 4: that's that's what i wanted to find out with this report is this really a trend and i've had people

[3:17:12] Voice 4: call me that say there's trailers at the end of my street and i'm like have you made a complaint

[3:17:17] Voice 4: well no because we don't want to be identified and I'm like there's nothing I can do about it

[3:17:23] Voice 4: people are if it's impacting you to make a complaint and and we'll go through the process

[3:17:32] Voice 4: um and so that's what I keep encouraging people to do and you're very reasonable and you give us

[3:17:37] Voice 4: great information and I've seen this work for other local trust committees that when we get

[3:17:42] Voice 4: an in-camera report and trustees who are more familiar with the situation can go yeah that's

[3:17:48] Voice 4: inappropriate direct enforcement to recommence there that is us doing our job amending this

[3:17:56] Voice 4: policy based on numbers is not taking into account the human experiences that i think we need to know

[3:18:05] Voice 4: before we can make the decision okay so more than two

[3:18:13] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:18:13] Voice 4: Well, if that

[3:18:14] Voice 13: worked, we

[3:18:16] Voice 4: still need to have a vote on it.

[3:18:21] Voice 4: Carry the day here. All right. Is there any further discussion? I'll call the vote then

[3:18:28] Voice 4: all those in favor. Okay. All those opposed that's defeated, but that will be revisited

[3:18:37] Voice 4: after the next meeting. So, and I'm actually fine for it to be revisited. I think it's an

[3:18:42] Voice 4: an ongoing conversation.

[3:18:45] Voice 4: So I note that

[3:18:46] Voice 4: the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[3:18:48] Voice 4: requests staff to prepare amendments to

[3:18:50] Voice 4: the Gabriel Island Local

[3:18:52] Voice 4: Trust Committee bylaw enforcement

[3:18:54] Voice 4: notification bylaw number

[3:18:56] Voice 4: 263.11 for

[3:18:58] Voice 4: consideration.

[3:19:00] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[3:19:03] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[3:19:05] Voice 4: That one carries.

[3:19:07] Voice 4: Is there any other business

[3:19:09] Voice 4: on the pileup? So thank you

[3:19:11] Voice 4: very much, Madam Chairman, for

[3:19:12] Voice 4: ownership. Let's keep going forward here. So 13.1 is the Trust Conservancy highlights from

[3:19:22] Voice 4: their February 21st meeting.

[3:19:27] Voice 4: We're

[3:19:29] Voice 13: chatting along very nicely and we're happy to have Wendy Terrell.

[3:19:35] Voice 13: She was previously Species At-Risk Coordinator, so she's well informed when it comes to everything.

[3:19:46] Voice 13: that

[3:19:46] Voice 6: a joint meeting was made up thanks to you

[3:19:49] Voice 3: that's right a

[3:19:50] Voice 6: little bit of a conversation

[3:19:51] Voice 3: okay

[3:19:52] Voice 6: 15 here is um applications recorded or any questions on the application

[3:19:56] Voice 6: we had

[3:20:04] Voice 3: one about uh the last again

[3:20:16] Voice 4: it's a 2024 subdivision that i don't require seeing before

[3:20:23] Voice 4: or on page 242.

[3:20:27] Voice 4: And it says administrative approval.

[3:20:29] Voice 4: So subdivision 2024, 1.1 and 22.

[3:20:36] Voice 4: When it says administrative approval,

[3:20:38] Voice 4: we're just, we're out of the process.

[3:20:41] Voice 4: Staff are just giving concurrence based on the bylaws.

[3:20:51] Voice 4: I

[3:20:52] Voice 11: think I can at least give you a sense

[3:20:54] Voice 11: of where this application is at.

[3:20:56] Voice 11: The specific definition of administrative approval

[3:20:59] Voice 11: is that maybe it's kind of an automated system

[3:21:02] Voice 11: that puts in something there,

[3:21:04] Voice 11: but the most recent related activity

[3:21:06] Voice 11: was that we received the PLR from the province,

[3:21:12] Voice 11: which describes their terms for considering approval.

[3:21:17] Voice 11: And then from there,

[3:21:18] Voice 11: it really depends on the specific subdivision file

[3:21:21] Voice 11: as far as what might be required

[3:21:22] Voice 11: required from external agencies,

[3:21:24] Voice 11: but also from our legislative development

[3:21:26] Voice 11: for our head of arrogance.

[3:21:29] Voice 11: Did we need to see proof of water, sewage,

[3:21:31] Voice 11: those are, that's the stage where then

[3:21:33] Voice 11: that's been kind of confirmed from MLTT

[3:21:37] Voice 11: that yes, we want to see that stuff

[3:21:38] Voice 11: that you need to meet out of stress requirements.

[3:21:40] Voice 11: And yeah, they can start before they received that PLR,

[3:21:44] Voice 11: but typically that's the point where they can start

[3:21:47] Voice 11: making applications or things.

[3:21:50] Voice 11: So not to receive an application beforehand

[3:21:52] Voice 11: beforehand, because they're confident that the DP will be

[3:21:55] Voice 11: required.

[3:21:55] Voice 11: So

[3:21:55] Voice 4: this particular file, we're not going to necessarily see, we

[3:22:01] Voice 4: would only see it again, if it needs the approval of guessing

[3:22:07] Voice 4: that EP or the issuance of the permit, which we don't defer

[3:22:13] Voice 4: decision on because we are waiting for the penalty to come

[3:22:17] Voice 4: back with a subdivision approval or not.

[3:22:20] Voice 11: Yeah, I think you will, you will see that, you won't see the subdivision because that's the referral that you'll see that development from back on your agenda because it hasn't been, it hasn't been issued.

[3:22:38] Voice 3: These are the same.

[3:22:44] Voice 3: Interesting.

[3:22:45] Voice 3: Any other questions?

[3:22:49] Voice 4: Nope.

[3:22:52] Voice 4: All right, so the next, your expense reports here for your patient,

[3:23:01] Voice 3: adopting

[3:23:02] Voice 4: policies and the standing resolution.

[3:23:04] Voice 4: Maybe that'll be a little shorter.

[3:23:07] Voice 4: Any First Nations relationship building updates?

[3:23:13] Voice 4: Oh, I don't know if it's sort of appropriate, but in the Nanaimo Awards in Culture

[3:23:24] Voice 4: culture last night uh that's the name of member Satasya White was recognized and lauded I think

[3:23:34] Voice 4: there's four recipients of the honor or two of the honor and culture and um and part of that was

[3:23:39] Voice 4: sort of work with the Breaking Bannock program and so she was the cultural liaison and sort of

[3:23:46] Voice 4: program coordinator which has brought so many incredible knowledge holders elders

[3:23:51] Voice 4: Builders, Ocean's Day was celebrated at reserve number five,

[3:23:57] Voice 13: and,

[3:24:00] Voice 4: you know, phoenic making

[3:24:03] Voice 4: has been a theme, it's a big thing, but she was recognized by the City of Nanaimo, it's

[3:24:09] Voice 4: a great little video featuring a couple of our Gabriel people, but she has really done

[3:24:15] Voice 4: incredible service to both our communities and building bridges between the Nanaimo and

[3:24:21] Voice 4: Gabriela community so that was uh it was really wonderful to see her recognized and celebrated

[3:24:27] Voice 4: spring news and there's a film this evening right

[3:24:30] Voice 4: i think is it sugarcane songs oh that's right yes yeah the all of the arts is long and there's a

[3:24:38] Voice 4: number of activities and one is the screening of the documentary sugarcane thanks which is amazing

[3:24:46] Voice 3: um

[3:24:48] Voice 4: any climate change action updates climate change is happening

[3:24:58] Voice 4: and your local trustee web page is here there's instructions on that otherwise we have a work

[3:25:04] Voice 4: program any questions on either your active or future projects so with that the next meeting

[3:25:22] Voice 4: is going to be June 26th at 10 30 in the morning. Location spot. There's no other business. I'd

[3:25:31] Voice 4: entertain a motion to adjourn. Competition for seconding and moving. So we are all those in

[3:25:39] Voice 4: favor. We're done. Thank you everyone.

[3:25:44] Voice 3: Hi Debra. Hi Debra. This is Laura.