Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 17, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 3: Well,

[0:00:07] Trustee Elliott: good morning, everyone.

[0:00:09] Trustee Elliott: I'd like to call this regular meeting of the Gate Railroad

[0:00:13] Trustee Elliott: Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:15] Trustee Elliott: We are live streaming the meeting and recording the meeting,

[0:00:20] Trustee Elliott: and it will be available for anyone's use in the coming days.

[0:00:25] Trustee Elliott: Very fortunate and grateful to be able to be meeting today

[0:00:28] Trustee Elliott: in the Unseen Territories of the San Emo First Nations,

[0:00:34] Trustee Elliott: Coast Salish First Nations.

[0:00:37] Trustee Elliott: I personally am committed to reconciliation, as I know this local trust committee is, and

[0:00:43] Trustee Elliott: I'm looking forward to learning and listening, listening on their interests and of this territory.

[0:00:54] Trustee Elliott: I'm Laura Patrick.

[0:00:56] Trustee Elliott: I'm elected on Salt Spring Island and the newly appointed chair of this local trust

[0:01:00] Trustee Elliott: committee, and I'm really excited to be here.

[0:01:03] Trustee Elliott: I chaired one meeting last term for last year's term.

[0:01:08] Trustee Elliott: And with me today is trustee Susan Yates and Toby Elliott together for your local trust

[0:01:15] Trustee Elliott: committee.

[0:01:16] Trustee Elliott: We have a number of staff here with us today.

[0:01:18] Trustee Elliott: I believe the regional planning manager, Renee Jamerot, will be here at some point.

[0:01:24] Trustee Elliott: We have Marissa Chadwick, Stevie Baugh, Lisa Millard, and I think Marlis McCarter and Warren

[0:01:30] Trustee Elliott: Dignan will be joining us.

[0:01:32] Trustee Elliott: this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use

[0:01:37] Trustee Elliott: planning matters and to discuss relevant business this is also a place of employment and our staff

[0:01:43] Trustee Elliott: have the right to a safe and respectful workplace there are times in the meeting where the public

[0:01:48] Trustee Elliott: can speak and i'll return to those when we get to them so for now we have an agenda before us

[0:01:56] Trustee Elliott: trustees are there any changes to the agenda with the agenda through general consent excellent

[0:02:12] Trustee Elliott: i'm a wide awake this morning okay um first up we have a delegation and we have

[0:02:19] Trustee Elliott: gabriella health care foundation regarding their strategic plan

[0:02:25] Trustee Elliott: 2024 2029 i'm sorry i forgot your name it's

[0:02:28] Voice 1: jack mullengrin

[0:02:29] Trustee Elliott: Jeff Malmgren.

[0:02:30] Voice 1: Malmgren.

[0:02:31] Trustee Elliott: Malmgren.

[0:02:32] Trustee Elliott: Well, thank you, Jeff.

[0:02:33] Trustee Elliott: The floor is yours.

[0:02:34] Trustee Elliott: You're sitting in a perfect spot right next to the microphone.

[0:02:39] Trustee Elliott: And please proceed.

[0:02:40] Trustee Elliott: Great.

[0:02:41] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:02:41] Voice 2: Thank you for the opportunity.

[0:02:43] Voice 2: So I'm Jeff Malmgren.

[0:02:44] Voice 2: I'm the president of the Gabriela Healthcare Foundation.

[0:02:46] Voice 2: We are embarking on a new strategic plan.

[0:02:49] Voice 2: We have a draft strategic plan in place, which was included in your package.

[0:02:52] Voice 2: And certainly it was linked in.

[0:02:53] Voice 2: I have five minutes, so I won't go into the full strategic plan.

[0:02:56] Voice 2: But the reason we've come today is, as we look at this new strategic plan, it contemplates a shift and expansion of our mandate on the island.

[0:03:09] Voice 2: And it also contemplates something beyond simply the work of the foundation and looks at a bigger piece, which we feel has great implication for the trust in particular, particularly potentially within the OCP process.

[0:03:25] Voice 2: process. So, and again, it is in your packet. I don't know if everybody's had a chance to read it.

[0:03:31] Voice 2: One of the things, the pieces that we've come to realize, and actually was embedded in when

[0:03:38] Voice 2: the foundation began, was that we can't rely on the external health system to meet our needs on

[0:03:45] Voice 2: Gabriela. There are a variety of reasons for that. One is because very often the external health

[0:03:52] Voice 2: systems in our province and our country really don't understand what rural

[0:03:56] Voice 2: health and rural life is about. So those, and two, is those systems are

[0:04:01] Voice 2: under tremendous pressure as we've seen. They're not serving anybody as

[0:04:05] Voice 2: well as one might hope right at the moment. But for us, it's perhaps even

[0:04:09] Voice 2: less so. But three is, and this is perhaps the most important piece, is

[0:04:14] Voice 2: that the concept of a health system is in itself flawed. We're not trying, we

[0:04:19] Voice 2: We don't have a health system that keeps us healthy.

[0:04:21] Voice 2: We have a health system that repairs us when we get sick at best.

[0:04:25] Voice 2: And we're spending our money and energy on making sick people better, ideally, when it works, or at least keeping them at the same place that they are.

[0:04:35] Voice 2: What we consider is, and this is really evidence-based work, is that we need to look at a system that considers health and well-being.

[0:04:43] Voice 2: We need to look at something that really looks at how do we keep people well?

[0:04:48] Voice 2: and what's the impact of that overall.

[0:04:51] Voice 2: And when we look to that, we understand that if we as a foundation

[0:04:56] Voice 2: think that that's a good thing to do, we have the opportunity to sponsor it.

[0:05:00] Voice 2: We have the opportunity to advocate for it.

[0:05:03] Voice 2: We have the opportunity because of our unique position

[0:05:06] Voice 2: where we do deliver or provide support healthcare services

[0:05:09] Voice 2: of some level of credibility and strength,

[0:05:12] Voice 2: but we cannot be the holder of that system.

[0:05:15] Voice 2: The only way that such a system can be built is if it's held collectively, if our community holds it as a whole.

[0:05:23] Voice 2: And in fact, we begin to take collective responsibility for our health and well-being.

[0:05:30] Voice 2: So the work that we're doing as we move forward with this strategic plan engagement process, which will happen over the next four or five months, is really giving people an opportunity to understand what that could look like.

[0:05:44] Voice 2: What it could mean if we built a well-designed and well-connected system of health and well-being that was collectively held.

[0:05:52] Voice 2: And what would the opportunities in that be?

[0:05:56] Voice 2: What would the outcomes be for our health?

[0:05:58] Voice 2: So I think that, as I said, there's quite a bit more detail in the strategic plan itself.

[0:06:04] Voice 2: But really the ask here is, just as we ask other organizations, but in particular this one, how do you consider health and well-being in your mandates?

[0:06:14] Voice 2: Where does that fit in your mandates and really the conversation may be, is this an overarching piece?

[0:06:20] Voice 2: Is this something where the collective responsibility for health and well-being is embedded in your OCP in such a way that the piece is called from it?

[0:06:31] Voice 2: Because realistically, if every organization on our island looks and says, we understand that at the tantamount is health and well-being.

[0:06:41] Voice 2: And we want to ensure that whatever we do drives to and supports and connects around that health and well-being.

[0:06:47] Voice 2: We will have built that system.

[0:06:49] Voice 2: And I just want to, before I turn it back to you, is say the great thing that we recognize is that Gabriela has a tremendous opportunity to follow this path.

[0:07:00] Voice 2: We have not-for-profit agencies.

[0:07:03] Voice 2: We have people in the community who have a strong desire to work together and to take responsibility for one another.

[0:07:10] Voice 2: Sometimes people say that's a lost piece of our community because of the new people who have come.

[0:07:17] Voice 2: And I would say I disagree with that.

[0:07:19] Voice 2: I think that, frankly, it's what sometimes brings people to the island.

[0:07:24] Voice 2: And sometimes they don't realize it right away, but it wouldn't take much to bring people back to that place.

[0:07:30] Voice 2: So we believe if there's a voice across organizations and particularly across leaders that puts this in place, that makes it that much, that's the path we need to follow.

[0:07:42] Voice 2: Thank

[0:07:43] Voice 13: you very much. Any questions, trustees?

[0:07:46] Voice 13: Maybe

[0:07:47] Trustee Elliott: just a comment. Thank you so much, Jeff, for that.

[0:07:50] Trustee Elliott: I agree. Certainly some of the best things that have ever happened on this island since I've lived here for many decades have been in the last 10 years.

[0:07:58] Voice 13: and they have blue tears purposely

[0:08:02] Trustee Elliott: to find community and to build community so I certainly

[0:08:06] Trustee Elliott: appreciate that and I really appreciate the fact that the strategic plan focuses on equitable

[0:08:13] Trustee Elliott: primary health care and you know is thinking strongly about dismantling practices of a

[0:08:21] Trustee Elliott: colonial legacy and that's it's really beautiful to see that in a strategic

[0:08:26] Voice 13: plan so thank you for

[0:08:30] Trustee Elliott: question. So how can the foundation engage with the LTC in this OCP process? You and I talked a

[0:08:41] Trustee Elliott: little bit about this, and we talked about how the foundation seems to be prepared to

[0:08:47] Trustee Elliott: support the community conversation on those other aspects of health and well-being,

[0:08:52] Trustee Elliott: which we as the land use planning component would not be able to address and we sort of talked about

[0:09:02] Trustee Elliott: this community plan or as the foundation develops the vision and what comes out of this is a sort

[0:09:09] Trustee Elliott: of a community master plan and it's a corollary corollary or a sort of a companion maybe to the

[0:09:20] Trustee Elliott: OCP visioning process. So do you, is there a conversation about

[0:09:26] Trustee Elliott: whole gene aspects of a community vision that are not just land use planning and

[0:09:31] Trustee Elliott: yet could work together?

[0:09:33] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the interesting thing is

[0:09:36] Voice 2: that it's, at the end of the day, it all has to connect. And land use planning

[0:09:44] Voice 2: obviously holds a critical piece in that. So to me, that's where that ask is of

[0:09:50] Voice 2: If you would, in your OCP, actually clearly address that as a critical element, it opens the door to bringing what's happening in the OCP into those other conversations.

[0:10:04] Voice 2: Because they're not separate conversations, you know, and you're already having those conversations around housing and all the other social determinants and what land use.

[0:10:16] Voice 2: that's really the conversation but how do we break i don't really see it as one versus the other

[0:10:23] Voice 2: just as you've had this issue as you've tried as you as you've gone through your ocp engagement

[0:10:28] Voice 2: of saying well we'll talk about this right now and then you go into those sessions talking about

[0:10:32] Voice 2: one particular thing and your planners end up talking about all of the stuff because it's all

[0:10:36] Voice 2: interconnected so i think that it's you know it's it's where are the opportunities to ensure that

[0:10:44] Voice 2: processes inform one another does that make sense I mean so if we're going to

[0:10:50] Voice 2: hear as we engage in the community and even as we engage with all of the

[0:10:54] Voice 2: different partners on the island pieces that will directly inform your OCP

[0:10:59] Voice 2: process and will be valuable to your OCP process I

[0:11:03] Trustee Elliott: guess but my question was how

[0:11:05] Trustee Elliott: is the foundation or is the foundation prepared to hold the components of the

[0:11:12] Trustee Elliott: the process that cannot be addressed in the OCP planning because the OCP does

[0:11:17] Trustee Elliott: not include the provision of infrastructure, right?

[0:11:21] Trustee Elliott: Community services are the responsibility of these other agencies.

[0:11:25] Trustee Elliott: They were

[0:11:25] Trustee Elliott: very clear with the, what we heard report from staff.

[0:11:29] Trustee Elliott: Here's what the community wants.

[0:11:30] Trustee Elliott: Here are the 10 things out of the bucket of 20, let's say,

[0:11:34] Voice 3: like it

[0:11:35] Trustee Elliott: can be addressed by the OCP,

[0:11:37] Voice 3: but

[0:11:37] Trustee Elliott: land use planning is a mark that we have to work within.

[0:11:41] Trustee Elliott: and you're talking about all these other things.

[0:11:43] Trustee Elliott: And we've had those conversations with the community too.

[0:11:46] Trustee Elliott: And they want to have a place to put those dreams

[0:11:49] Trustee Elliott: and aspirations up for community wellness.

[0:11:51] Voice 2: I understand.

[0:11:52] Voice 2: So thank you.

[0:11:54] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:11:54] Voice 2: And so that's a really great question.

[0:11:57] Voice 2: Is the foundation prepared to hold it?

[0:12:00] Voice 2: I would say it is, but it doesn't feel as if it has to.

[0:12:04] Voice 2: I think that's the really important part is,

[0:12:06] Voice 2: you know, if we talk with the foundation has resources

[0:12:09] Voice 2: resources and places where it seems really apparent that it would be really valuable to do

[0:12:14] Voice 2: that but it also seems as if in some places it would be value for others to do it i mean so

[0:12:20] Voice 2: there's a way there's a collaborative where what's what is the role of the health and well-being

[0:12:24] Voice 2: called collaborative versus the the foundation good question which we can phc is another one

[0:12:31] Voice 2: where does phc fit another really great question and i go back to the beginning which is if we

[0:12:38] Voice 2: have a collective commitment to a system for health and well-being then then the pieces fall together

[0:12:44] Voice 2: from that i

[0:12:45] Voice 11: think that's

[0:12:46] Voice 2: that's so it is a tricky place is because we don't want to own this

[0:12:51] Voice 2: because it won't work if we own it that's really what

[0:12:54] Trustee Elliott: i really liked your pitch and this was my

[0:12:57] Trustee Elliott: last comment sorry i really love your pitch the of the collective responsibility for well-being

[0:13:02] Trustee Elliott: And I absolutely think this community is prepared to do that, and this LTC, at least from my perspective, would support that. Delivering on that will be the responsibility of many different agencies, right, of which the LTC is one.

[0:13:20] Trustee Elliott: one um but i guess the organizational capacity to work to convene and to administer between all

[0:13:28] Trustee Elliott: those agencies that's what the items trust can't do and sometimes that's the expectation that we

[0:13:33] Trustee Elliott: should we are that voice for the community because it's where people come and there's there's a face

[0:13:37] Trustee Elliott: and a local government right but we have that we're not providing services so i'm holding the

[0:13:43] Trustee Elliott: administrative uh capacity is is beyond that and i just love this conversation so i'll wrap it up

[0:13:52] Trustee Elliott: So, just one last comment. I do see a place in the OCP, at least in the preamble that

[0:13:59] Trustee Elliott: we often have for even like the trust policy statement that applies to the whole trust

[0:14:04] Trustee Elliott: area. Well, our OCP applies to our trust area. And in a preamble, often there are statements

[0:14:12] Trustee Elliott: statements about cooperating and collaborating with other agencies. And we absolutely must have

[0:14:20] Trustee Elliott: that in our OCP, probably right at the very beginning, because that's what

[0:14:26] Voice 13: ensures that we

[0:14:28] Voice 13: do that, that we don't forget that there will be times

[0:14:31] Trustee Elliott: when we really need to cooperate and

[0:14:33] Trustee Elliott: collaborate and work with other agencies in order to get that good work done, to be collectively

[0:14:40] Trustee Elliott: actively responsible for our health and welfare.

[0:14:44] Voice 2: I guess the one final comment, I know you've got a stacked agenda.

[0:14:48] Voice 2: You know, I think that my conversation with both of you has led to this more is, you know,

[0:14:55] Voice 2: common language is important.

[0:14:57] Voice 2: You know, so if we're often what we see is different agencies and different levels of

[0:15:03] Voice 2: government and different organizations say sort of the same thing, but they use different

[0:15:07] Voice 2: language.

[0:15:07] Voice 2: And so, you know, as I think about this, and I'm obviously talking to other organizations on the island, the term collective responsibility for health and well-being seems to ring.

[0:15:19] Voice 2: It seems to, you know, it's so we're really hoping that not only will organizations see that they can, that is something that they can see themselves in, but that we come to a place of common language.

[0:15:31] Voice 2: And because that makes, that really, it's frankly, when I go to external, look for external supports from the government or an NGO level, and if I can show that our island as a whole has common language across all of their different organizations, including their government organizations, that's quite powerful.

[0:15:51] Voice 2: So that would be my plea.

[0:15:53] Voice 2: I

[0:15:54] Trustee Elliott: see our island planner, Narissa Cabot, writing that down.

[0:15:58] Trustee Elliott: And she has sent it strictly in already.

[0:16:02] Trustee Elliott: And

[0:16:02] Voice 2: you have my email.

[0:16:03] Trustee Elliott: She works with us, of course, to do that.

[0:16:06] Trustee Elliott: So just as a final, sorry, that is the final, this is the final comment.

[0:16:11] Trustee Elliott: So the What We Heard report that came out of the Gabriel division process,

[0:16:17] Trustee Elliott: and because this is a public meeting,

[0:16:19] Trustee Elliott: and I encourage everyone to go back to that report,

[0:16:21] Trustee Elliott: It's really excellent because staff articulated not just the things that are in our LTC or OCP box, what can we address in the OCP, but here are the things that, you know, people wanted to see in terms of improved infrastructure accessibility, you know, biking and walking paths are improved.

[0:16:41] Trustee Elliott: And those cannot be addressed through the OCP review process.

[0:16:45] Trustee Elliott: So I encourage the foundation, and as you go through the community engagement that you're doing, go back to that document and go, oh, where are these different threads that community identified as important aren't going to be realized through the OCP process, but they now have a place to go.

[0:17:02] Trustee Elliott: So we've done some of that work, and hopefully this will be a companion.

[0:17:07] Voice 5: Absolutely.

[0:17:07] Voice 5: Thank

[0:17:08] Trustee Elliott: you so much.

[0:17:08] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:17:09] Voice 5: Thank

[0:17:09] Trustee Elliott: you very much for coming and I'm one that always likes to challenge the system and, you know, where we are today and where we need to be in the future. And so I think the picture you're drawing out is a very, one that I look to Gabriel all the time, you have some very effective volunteer led organizations here that put to shame all of our other islands.

[0:17:34] Trustee Elliott: And so you really know how to work together as a collective.

[0:17:38] Trustee Elliott: And I think this is where these systems can be challenged and developed

[0:17:43] Trustee Elliott: for all of us to look to.

[0:17:45] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:17:46] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:17:47] Voice 2: And thank you for accommodating my tight schedule today.

[0:17:50] Voice 2: Thank you

[0:17:50] Voice 2: so much.

[0:17:52] Trustee Elliott: All right, trustees, we're now on the agenda and we're at trustee reports.

[0:17:57] Trustee Elliott: Who would like to go first?

[0:17:59] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:18:00] Trustee Elliott: Okay. I will try to make it brief and focus on, because it's been about two months since our last regular meeting.

[0:18:11] Trustee Elliott: We've had two special meetings in between.

[0:18:16] Trustee Elliott: I guess the most significant happening for this community was really through the OCP open houses that Susan and I did and were scheduled with the Sounder.

[0:18:29] Trustee Elliott: that was the key to actually getting people out I have been advertising open houses come and talk

[0:18:35] Trustee Elliott: to me anytime but without getting that in the paper people were not coming so that's a lesson

[0:18:41] Trustee Elliott: learned there but we facilitated two open houses in March and it was really good groups who had

[0:18:48] Trustee Elliott: some very thoughtful questions challenging questions about the process but they hadn't

[0:18:55] Trustee Elliott: felt included they weren't getting word about this OCP review what even is it and the associated

[0:19:00] Trustee Elliott: implications so I think we need to do more work on getting the word out on creating opportunity

[0:19:08] Trustee Elliott: for people to engage but also just distributing information I think it's all on the website but

[0:19:15] Trustee Elliott: when I take people through and maybe I'll just put a pin in that we'll talk about it with the OCP

[0:19:21] Trustee Elliott: process so i'll leave that for a bit reconciliation related updates um so our budget that was just

[0:19:31] Trustee Elliott: passed for 2025-26 we did see uh fifty thousand dollars for reconciliation activities and our

[0:19:38] Trustee Elliott: senior indigenous relations advisor is following through with um booking sessions for the rest of

[0:19:45] Trustee Elliott: the year for cultural safety training and indigenous engagement sessions for trustees and staff

[0:19:51] Trustee Elliott: I attended, with Chair Patrick, the Foyete-Liskety Island screening of dust and bones, in which

[0:20:00] Trustee Elliott: we had two elders, Kim Rekalma-Kludesi and Elder Bill White of Sine Moch attended, and

[0:20:09] Trustee Elliott: they really spoke quite movingly about how Liskety has done something different that

[0:20:17] Trustee Elliott: none of the other islands have in that they're engaging with not just elders in the proper

[0:20:26] Trustee Elliott: protocols to recognize um sacred sites and archaeology sites and actually understand the

[0:20:35] Trustee Elliott: history of that place but actually with you know doing respectful um protocols with the ancestors

[0:20:42] Trustee Elliott: And there's been ancestral burnings, and it's like the community is coming together in this beautiful way, recognizing the past, present, and future relationships to the land there.

[0:20:57] Trustee Elliott: And this is such a difference from even 20 years ago, there was this misunderstanding that there was no Coast Salish people who lived on Liskiti.

[0:21:07] Trustee Elliott: So it's been a huge step, and that's really informing me in where we need to go.

[0:21:14] Trustee Elliott: I still participate in Culturally Committed as a member.

[0:21:19] Trustee Elliott: Really great workshops there.

[0:21:22] Trustee Elliott: I am going to talk to Elder Gary Mattson about fundraising for Manakunu.

[0:21:29] Trustee Elliott: This is the tribal journeys that most Coast Salish communities take,

[0:21:35] Trustee Elliott: And we generally need to raise about $10,000 to $14,000 to take Indigenous youth in these traditional tribal canoes down to a destination.

[0:21:45] Trustee Elliott: And so this one's happening in late July to August.

[0:21:48] Trustee Elliott: And so we did a fantastic fundraiser on Gabriel last year that really brought our communities together and built some bridges.

[0:21:56] Trustee Elliott: So I think I'll help facilitate that again.

[0:22:00] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I can.

[0:22:03] Trustee Elliott: And then three forums.

[0:22:06] Trustee Elliott: So I participated in the Rural Island Economic Partnership.

[0:22:09] Trustee Elliott: That was March 6th to 7th.

[0:22:12] Trustee Elliott: Don't worry, they all send you all the notes.

[0:22:14] Trustee Elliott: The Southern Gulf Islands Forum on March 14th,

[0:22:17] Trustee Elliott: which was our first meeting with the newly elected MLA Rob Botterill

[0:22:20] Trustee Elliott: from Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:22:22] Trustee Elliott: But most recently, AVICC,

[0:22:26] Trustee Elliott: the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities,

[0:22:28] Trustee Elliott: which happened just last weekend in Nanaimo,

[0:22:32] Trustee Elliott: I was able to present on behalf of the Islands Trust

[0:22:35] Trustee Elliott: the results of the Tiny House on Wheels

[0:22:38] Trustee Elliott: enablement in the trust area project

[0:22:40] Trustee Elliott: with RDN building inspection and permitting staff

[0:22:46] Trustee Elliott: and director Vanessa Craig.

[0:22:49] Trustee Elliott: And so there's actually some big news.

[0:22:51] Trustee Elliott: That project really only started in September last year,

[0:22:55] Trustee Elliott: got some funding through the affordable housing

[0:22:59] Trustee Elliott: program and hired a consultant to convene all these specialists together and really just put

[0:23:07] Trustee Elliott: them in the room to say here's the problem tiny homes never seem to be able to break into an

[0:23:13] Trustee Elliott: actual legal dwelling can you try to solve it and the RDN staff already had direction from their

[0:23:20] Trustee Elliott: board so this was really timely and what happened was industry tiny home industry was able to

[0:23:27] Trustee Elliott: demonstrate that their manufactured Z240MH models are so close to meeting the intent of the building

[0:23:34] Trustee Elliott: code that the RDN building inspectors could say, we can permit this as a dwelling. So this is just

[0:23:42] Trustee Elliott: the manufactured home standards, but that leads into the conversation of there could be policy

[0:23:48] Trustee Elliott: options, and the RDN staff are already talking about that, for how to deal with existing or ones

[0:23:54] Trustee Elliott: that are not built to that standard but can demonstrate uh health and safety um related

[0:24:01] Trustee Elliott: uh not certification but standard so that was really exciting um the other end was just like

[0:24:08] Trustee Elliott: i can't believe we got here and this could be a game changer for bc because this has been sort

[0:24:13] Trustee Elliott: of bottlenecked at this um this stage where you know industry wasn't is now able to change enough

[0:24:22] Trustee Elliott: not that the building inspectors are going,

[0:24:24] Trustee Elliott: that could be a legal dwelling, even with the wheels on.

[0:24:27] Trustee Elliott: So huge news there.

[0:24:29] Trustee Elliott: More will follow out, and there's other communities.

[0:24:32] Trustee Elliott: CBRD has already asked for the report.

[0:24:35] Trustee Elliott: And Bowen on Garmina's Path is quite interested.

[0:24:39] Trustee Elliott: So I think I'll wrap it up there.

[0:24:41] Trustee Elliott: There's lots of, I participate in all the meetings.

[0:24:45] Trustee Elliott: I've jumped into programs committees.

[0:24:46] Trustee Elliott: So I think I'm on every committee in the Conservancy Board,

[0:24:49] Trustee Elliott: except governments, and you as well, probably.

[0:24:52] Trustee Elliott: and it's a lot but come see me if you've got questions I actually just want to end my report

[0:25:00] Trustee Elliott: by saying I have such an appreciation for our staff Islands Trust staff I have been

[0:25:07] Trustee Elliott: bowled over again and again and again and I go to meetings I go to more meetings than I want to

[0:25:16] Trustee Elliott: but staff always show up they are so professional they're so dedicated to the mandate

[0:25:21] Trustee Elliott: mandate to solving our intractable, difficult problems, coming to our islands and getting

[0:25:28] Trustee Elliott: right in there and going, okay, let's figure this out with people, from the planners to

[0:25:32] Trustee Elliott: the programs coordinator to legislative clerks, everyone is just so excellent. So I just want

[0:25:39] Trustee Elliott: to say a huge thank you, appreciation to staff. And there's more in the update, but I'll save

[0:25:45] Trustee Elliott: Thanks.

[0:25:47] Trustee Elliott: Great, great work on that.

[0:25:49] Voice 13: Cool.

[0:25:50] Voice 13: I just want to put a little pin in the

[0:25:53] Voice 13: project because I've been in correspondence with

[0:25:57] Voice 13: and I, she would like to bring it to Gabriela,

[0:26:03] Voice 13: with working with

[0:26:04] Trustee Elliott: us in the museum.

[0:26:05] Trustee Elliott: They have a traveling exhibit.

[0:26:07] Trustee Elliott: So that unveiling is May 3rd, I believe, on

[0:26:11] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. And there's a mural that can travel to different communities.

[0:26:18] Trustee Elliott: So we need, I said that you and I would work with the museum and get

[0:26:21] Voice 13: it to Gabriel.

[0:26:22] Voice 13: Yeah, perfect. For sure, because I've been following that project since the last term and it's

[0:26:28] Trustee Elliott: just an amazing project.

[0:26:30] Trustee Elliott: So thanks for reminding

[0:26:31] Voice 13: me of that. OK, I

[0:26:33] Trustee Elliott: will try to be really brief too.

[0:26:34] Voice 13: So as a local trust

[0:26:37] Trustee Elliott: committee, we've had two special meetings.

[0:26:39] Trustee Elliott: on the focus groups and out of those special meetings we've had three recommendations and

[0:26:48] Trustee Elliott: one of the recommendations was asking staff for options for more public engagement so we are

[0:26:55] Trustee Elliott: definitely working on that we will have more open houses on the focus groups and the OCP review in

[0:27:02] Trustee Elliott: general. So Director Craig's not here from the RDN, but I can report on the

[0:27:11] Trustee Elliott: Regional District Parks and Recreation Master Plan. It is in its final stages

[0:27:18] Trustee Elliott: after almost two years of work. So I attended the meeting on April 7th. It's

[0:27:26] Trustee Elliott: looking really good. There were many comments from groups on Gabriel and the

[0:27:30] Trustee Elliott: recreation society galt um lots of the soccer association

[0:27:35] Voice 13: of course um so it looks like there

[0:27:39] Voice 13: will be a big open house on may the 10th at the commons and that will be the finished draft

[0:27:46] Voice 13: staff will be sharing the overview and the next steps and it'll probably be available a week or

[0:27:53] Voice 13: so ahead online there should be some kind of notice coming up from the

[0:27:56] Trustee Elliott: rdn probably be in

[0:27:58] Trustee Elliott: the sounder newspaper um and the master plan i have to say it does speak to the importance of

[0:28:05] Trustee Elliott: continuing to have conversations with the name of first nation and i was a little bit worried at the

[0:28:10] Trustee Elliott: beginning of the process that that was not happening but it is so i'm looking forward to that

[0:28:16] Trustee Elliott: um it the interesting thing about this process for them right now this is a 10-year master plan

[0:28:22] Trustee Elliott: is that it's in conjunction with our OCP review process.

[0:28:26] Trustee Elliott: So everything that's coming out of our OCP review

[0:28:29] Trustee Elliott: that's relevant to parks and rec master plan

[0:28:32] Trustee Elliott: is happening together, which is great.

[0:28:38] Voice 13: Let's see.

[0:28:44] Voice 13: Okay, so like trustee Elliott,

[0:28:46] Voice 13: I've also attended the trust program committee

[0:28:50] Voice 13: special meetings to update the trust policy statement.

[0:28:53] Voice 13: we've had two at least two since the last local pest committee meeting um one on april 2nd focused

[0:29:01] Voice 13: on recreation on anchorages on forest land policies

[0:29:05] Trustee Elliott: on soil deposit and removal

[0:29:07] Trustee Elliott: and marine

[0:29:08] Trustee Elliott: foreshore and the one we just had on yesterday april 16th um focused on support this is this is

[0:29:17] Trustee Elliott: really important to me and i think it is for

[0:29:19] Voice 13: chair patrick as well and trustee elliott support for

[0:29:22] Voice 13: those five advocacy groups that we work with

[0:29:26] Trustee Elliott: that are do incredible work across the salish sea

[0:29:29] Trustee Elliott: so groups like the house sound forum the southern governance forum we really need to support them

[0:29:37] Trustee Elliott: and we do offer some small

[0:29:38] Voice 13: financial support but also just having meetings with them um

[0:29:43] Voice 13: so yesterday we ended up talking quite a bit of quite for quite a while with fresh water

[0:29:48] Voice 13: protection and we did have fresh water specialist woman show but join us so

[0:29:53] Voice 13: that was really helpful and I have to say echoing your sentiments about staff

[0:29:58] Voice 13: help

[0:30:00] Voice 13: Senior Policy Advisor Jason Yeomans is leading us through the Trust Policy Statement update.

[0:30:05] Voice 13: He has been unbelievably helpful in providing really expansive options for good directive and good advisory policy for that Trust Policy Statement.

[0:30:17] Voice 13: He's just been brilliant, and I'm just so appreciative.

[0:30:21] Voice 13: So that's almost finished here.

[0:30:24] Trustee Elliott: I did want to mention that last week I hopped across many islands in the Salish Sea.

[0:30:30] Trustee Elliott: all in the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations, so I went from Salt Spring to Pender to

[0:30:36] Trustee Elliott: Maine and then I hopped over to Galliano one day and then back to Maine. It was a bit of a

[0:30:41] Trustee Elliott: bus mount holiday. I had friends to visit but work to do and I wanted to talk directly to one of the

[0:30:47] Trustee Elliott: Maine Island Trustees about their flex zoning for housing, which I did, and I had a pretty good idea

[0:30:55] Trustee Elliott: of what it was in the first place but good to see it kind of where it could happen in action

[0:31:00] Trustee Elliott: i saw the incredible desecration of the fallow deer invasion i saw so many fallow deer that were

[0:31:07] Trustee Elliott: in the most horrible condition this i just thought i just it was awful it's probably the worst invasive

[0:31:14] Trustee Elliott: species thing you can

[0:31:15] Voice 13: imagine total sympathy with that um but what i really enjoyed was being in the

[0:31:22] Voice 13: the territory of the Tsinkum, the South,

[0:31:25] Voice 13: Tartlet, Penelope, Liaxon, and other Coast Salish nations,

[0:31:29] Voice 13: and thinking about spring

[0:31:31] Trustee Elliott: and food, their food sources,

[0:31:33] Trustee Elliott: the foreshore food sources and the chemist bulbs

[0:31:36] Trustee Elliott: and the rice root bulbs,

[0:31:38] Trustee Elliott: and seeing those flowers coming up was so beautiful.

[0:31:46] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, that's it.

[0:31:48] Trustee Elliott: Oh, no, one more thing.

[0:31:49] Trustee Elliott: Every one of those islands,

[0:31:51] Trustee Elliott: everyone has the most beautiful pathway from the ferry to the village some of them as long as four

[0:32:00] Trustee Elliott: kilometers and more they wind in among the trees they're not on the side of the road they're so

[0:32:06] Trustee Elliott: safe for cyclists and pedestrians they

[0:32:10] Voice 13: are so beautiful and i know if director craig was sitting

[0:32:14] Voice 13: beside us i'd be giving her the hanged dog look because yeah we're missing that and we really

[0:32:21] Voice 13: need to get that and we want that to happen so badly from the ferry to the village and beyond

[0:32:30] Voice 13: not an asphalt path with giant black fences along the way that impede your vision a proper cycling

[0:32:37] Voice 13: and pedestrian path made with so anytime you visit those other islands that's what you'll see

[0:32:46] Voice 13: Thank you very much.

[0:32:51] Trustee Elliott: I just want to thank Trustee Elliott for taking that charge there on the tiny

[0:32:56] Trustee Elliott: couple of wheels, trying to hang on to her coattails there.

[0:33:00] Trustee Elliott: And she kind of pushed us at high speed,

[0:33:04] Trustee Elliott: something bureaucracy is not well known for,

[0:33:07] Trustee Elliott: but we did go from September to delivering the paper at ABICC this past

[0:33:13] Trustee Elliott: weekend far more successfully than we had thought we could do.

[0:33:17] Trustee Elliott: do. So that was primarily Trustee Elliott's doing. It's a group effort. I'm not going to

[0:33:29] Trustee Elliott: take a lot of time. At the last Trust Council, we did approve the budget. I encourage you to go to

[0:33:33] Trustee Elliott: the Islands Trust website. There's a lot of information there. If you have any problems

[0:33:37] Trustee Elliott: navigating, please ask. We'll help you find it. It's very important if you can subscribe. If you

[0:33:43] Trustee Elliott: subscribe you can choose just gabriel or you can choose all the islands if you want your email box

[0:33:47] Trustee Elliott: filled up but uh you know choose wisely um and you will get sent information to your email and it's a

[0:33:54] Trustee Elliott: great way of staying involved so i'm going to leave it at that and we don't have vanessa craig

[0:34:02] here

[0:34:02] Trustee Elliott: she's probably exhausted after her duties this weekend as a executive on the um association

[0:34:09] Trustee Elliott: of Vancouver Island and Coastal Communities.

[0:34:12] Trustee Elliott: Chair Patrick,

[0:34:13] Voice 13: I have one comment to make

[0:34:15] Voice 13: that relates directly to your work as chair.

[0:34:19] Trustee Elliott: I want to thank you for the letter written on April 9th

[0:34:22] Trustee Elliott: to the San Juan County Council,

[0:34:25] Trustee Elliott: because that's one of the bodies that we get to work with,

[0:34:28] Voice 13: that we advocate with,

[0:34:29] Voice 13: part of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum to work.

[0:34:32] Voice 13: And I love working with the San Juan County,

[0:34:37] Voice 13: I mean, commissioners, we have so many things in common.

[0:34:40] Voice 13: We talk about ferries, we talk about foreshore,

[0:34:44] Voice 13: you know, all the things that matter so much

[0:34:46] Voice 13: to both of our regions.

[0:34:48] Voice 13: And I love what you said in this letter

[0:34:50] Voice 13: about you're attaching a background briefing

[0:34:53] Voice 13: on the longstanding, warm, and cooperative

[0:34:56] Voice 13: trans-boundary relationship.

[0:35:00] Trustee Elliott: Well, I should point out on St. Paddy's Day there,

[0:35:04] Trustee Elliott: was on march 17th that we did hold a frost border meeting with the elected from both sides of the

[0:35:11] Trustee Elliott: border for the uh san juan and gulf islands uh congressman larson was one of the spearheaders

[0:35:17] Trustee Elliott: of that they you know they are devastated by the political environment on the south

[0:35:22] Trustee Elliott: um and really wanted to reiterate that our our border is while it might be a legal boundary

[0:35:31] Trustee Elliott: the environment flows between it, the way it holds everyone.

[0:35:36] Trustee Elliott: And we both are immensely dedicated to the health

[0:35:39] Trustee Elliott: and wellbeing of the islands.

[0:35:43] Trustee Elliott: We will be working to having a joint forum

[0:35:46] Trustee Elliott: with the elected again in the fall,

[0:35:49] Trustee Elliott: focusing primarily on marine opportunities,

[0:35:53] Trustee Elliott: how we work better and learn from each other

[0:35:56] Trustee Elliott: to do better things.

[0:35:58] Trustee Elliott: So it is a good relationship.

[0:36:00] Trustee Elliott: You know, we talk about pipelines, we talk about anchorages,

[0:36:02] Trustee Elliott: and it's the same heartfelt conversations on both sides of the border,

[0:36:07] Voice 13: which is really important.

[0:36:08] Voice 13: And, you know, there's a list of how far back we've gone with them.

[0:36:12] Voice 13: It goes back to 1999.

[0:36:13] Voice 13: It actually goes back farthest than that,

[0:36:15] Voice 13: because in the early 1990s when I was a trustee,

[0:36:18] Voice 13: the very first time I learned about saltwater intrusion was a workshop

[0:36:22] Voice 13: given by the San Juan County people on Galeano Island.

[0:36:26] Voice 13: So

[0:36:27] Trustee Elliott: there you go.

[0:36:28] Trustee Elliott: Great collaboration.

[0:36:30] Trustee Elliott: Some good things there.

[0:36:32] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so we don't have any First Nations reports as well.

[0:36:38] Trustee Elliott: So I need to open up my notes here.

[0:36:44] Trustee Elliott: So this is your turn to speak with us.

[0:36:48] Trustee Elliott: We wanna hear your questions and comments at this time.

[0:36:51] Trustee Elliott: Later in the agenda, we will be discussing

[0:36:55] Trustee Elliott: some applications.

[0:36:56] Trustee Elliott: If you're an applicant in the room,

[0:36:58] Trustee Elliott: you will have a chance to talk to us

[0:37:00] Trustee Elliott: when your application is being concerned.

[0:37:02] Trustee Elliott: start, so you don't need to stand up now and wait till your time. But if you're here to talk about

[0:37:07] Trustee Elliott: or have comments on an application, this is your time. When addressing us, please direct your

[0:37:13] Trustee Elliott: comments to the three of us, not the audience or staff. Speak about issues, not individuals.

[0:37:21] Trustee Elliott: And I know you're going to be clear, concise, and respectful. So with that, who would like to

[0:37:29] Trustee Elliott: to address us today.

[0:37:31] Trustee Elliott: And if you could just state your name

[0:37:33] Trustee Elliott: and I think the microphone's probably good enough

[0:37:36] Trustee Elliott: that we can pick you up from your yard.

[0:37:39] Voice 9: My name is Gavin Coffin

[0:37:40] Voice 9: and I'm going to speak about an XRCMP patrol vessel

[0:37:45] Voice 9: that has potential for relocation to Dagon Bay.

[0:37:50] Voice 9: We've had numerous derelict vessels in Dagon Bay

[0:37:52] Voice 9: that had to be removed at tax day's expense

[0:37:55] Voice 9: through Transport Canada.

[0:37:56] Voice 9: Canada. Through the community I heard that this ex-RCMP default boat, engine-less, no

[0:38:03] Voice 9: means of propulsion, was going to be towed to Devon Bay, placed on moorings in the Hillgrass

[0:38:08] Voice 9: area and was going to be taking up residence. No one, we don't know who the owner is, they

[0:38:15] Voice 9: haven't come forward with any to the community with a plan or anything like that. The contact,

[0:38:20] Voice 9: I contacted the Vancouver Maritime Museum that were the owners of this vessel.

[0:38:26] Voice 9: They presumably know all the details.

[0:38:29] Voice 9: They won't divulge them.

[0:38:32] Voice 9: It's concerning is all I can say.

[0:38:34] Voice 9: This is actually a course of action.

[0:38:37] Voice 9: Concrete blocks have been placed in the eelgrass area in Degnan Bay, four of them.

[0:38:43] Voice 9: And obviously, this is an environmental concern.

[0:38:46] Voice 9: you know I mean it's a serious matter I think for the community for the environment

[0:38:53] Voice 9: and for derelict vessels as a whole you know I mean this is not not good. Thank you very much

[0:39:03] Trustee Elliott: who else would like to talk to us?

[0:39:06] Voice 8: I'm here on the same matter my name is Brad Nixon and

[0:39:10] Voice 8: and I live on the Merrill Crescent, overlooking Dignan Bay.

[0:39:15] Voice 8: Yeah, we've heard, as Gavin has said, we've heard that this is happening,

[0:39:20] Voice 8: and it's been confirmed to us by the Vancouver Maritime Museum.

[0:39:25] Voice 8: So I've spoken with the executive director,

[0:39:29] Voice 8: who gave me some rather disarming information.

[0:39:33] Voice 8: I asked, first of all, what is the public benefit of this?

[0:39:38] Voice 8: because the application to the museum for the gift of the boat

[0:39:44] Voice 8: required the applicant to state the public benefit.

[0:39:47] Voice 8: And the only public benefit he could identify

[0:39:50] Voice 8: was it would reduce the expenses of the Vancouver Maritime Museum

[0:39:55] Voice 8: in that it no longer had to care for it.

[0:39:59] Voice 8: I asked, well, why aren't you just getting rid of it?

[0:40:03] Voice 8: Why aren't you just selling it for scrap?

[0:40:05] Voice 8: scrap. It has no scrap value, and the cost of going through the process, the legal process

[0:40:12] Voice 8: of having it declared scrap and disposed of exceeds any money they would, well, they wouldn't

[0:40:18] Voice 8: get any money for the boat. It's 58 feet long. So I said, well, we don't know who this person

[0:40:26] Voice 8: is. Can we speak with him? Can you tell us who it is? And I was told he would call him

[0:40:34] Voice 8: him and have him call me. That didn't happen, but he did write back, and he said, the new

[0:40:43] Voice 8: owner plans to repower PV Nadon's propulsion, it's a big cataract, 58 feet long, and make

[0:40:51] Voice 8: her available for marine contract work in the Salish Sea. They hope PV Nadon will also

[0:40:57] Voice 8: be made available for assistance in spill response on the coast to facilitate in marine

[0:41:03] Voice 8: emergencies and in shoal waters. There is also potential for charging contracts

[0:41:08] Voice 8: with marine biology, motion picture work and eco adventure tourism. So it's a

[0:41:17] Voice 8: variety of dreams and wishes and hopes but it appears to us that there's no

[0:41:23] Voice 8: clear plan other than to make a lot of money if possible and this is really not

[0:41:29] Voice 8: not what we envision as being desirable in Dagenham Bay.

[0:41:34] Voice 8: It's close to the shore.

[0:41:35] Voice 8: It's not on the shore.

[0:41:37] Voice 8: But as Gavin says, the concrete blocks, big ones,

[0:41:39] Voice 8: I'm not talking about the little concrete blocks,

[0:41:42] Voice 8: big ones have been dropped there

[0:41:45] Voice 8: and there are little red buoys attached to them

[0:41:48] Voice 8: waiting to receive the boat.

[0:41:51] Voice 8: And if you look at the bylaws for the trust,

[0:41:56] Voice 8: it's not entirely clear,

[0:41:59] Voice 8: but the idea of a commercial industrial use

[0:42:02] Voice 8: really offends the spirit of the bylaw.

[0:42:06] Voice 8: I mean, they do use the words that structures shouldn't be used

[0:42:09] Voice 8: for commercial or industrial purposes.

[0:42:12] Voice 8: Floats can't be used for those purposes and so on and so forth.

[0:42:15] Voice 8: But I can see a potential legal argument going to the courts on this.

[0:42:23] Voice 8: And I think it would be really important for the trust

[0:42:27] Voice 8: to take an advocacy position early on.

[0:42:31] Voice 8: I realize we don't even know who this person is,

[0:42:34] Voice 8: but we've had the plans confirmed both by the museum,

[0:42:38] Voice 8: the executive director of the museum,

[0:42:40] Voice 8: and also the actions of this owner who's having the mocks drop.

[0:42:46] Voice 8: So that's why we're here.

[0:42:48] Voice 8: We want to bring to your attention.

[0:42:49] Voice 8: We hope that the trust can somehow take an advocacy position,

[0:42:53] Voice 8: make a statement that it shouldn't be used.

[0:42:55] Voice 8: the bay well all the water shouldn't be used for commercial or industrial purposes uh without

[0:43:03] Voice 8: i can imagine some specific exemptions i don't know what they are but we need a statement we

[0:43:09] Voice 8: need the trust to take a position so thank you very much for your time thank you very much

[0:43:13] Voice 8: i just should know for the record my daughter and my wife are here

[0:43:20] Trustee Elliott: and have a question a follow-up question all right yes go ahead please um my name is leslie

[0:43:25] Trustee Elliott: beckman i moved to the island permanently um a year ago um my i'm an environmental impact

[0:43:33] Trustee Elliott: assessor and i do a lot of work through the salish sea um and with indigenous communities

[0:43:38] Trustee Elliott: um my question on this one and i will be doing someday and i'm happy to share um with the trust

[0:43:45] Trustee Elliott: when I look at those, the concrete blocks represent a harmful alteration,

[0:43:53] Trustee Elliott: destruction of fish habitat.

[0:43:56] Trustee Elliott: And so my question is, will we to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans,

[0:44:01] Trustee Elliott: whether they've received an application for authorization

[0:44:06] Trustee Elliott: pursuant to the Fisheries Act, because that is illegal grass is critical habitat.

[0:44:11] Trustee Elliott: So that's just more information out.

[0:44:16] Trustee Elliott: Thank you. Anyone else

[0:44:19] Trustee Elliott: that wishes to address us today?

[0:44:24] Trustee Elliott: Well, your comments are important to us and we'll be

[0:44:28] Trustee Elliott: considering as we make our decisions in the rest of the meeting.

[0:44:31] Trustee Elliott: Thank you very much.

[0:44:32] Trustee Elliott: Chair Patrick, there is correspondence later.

[0:44:34] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[0:44:34] Trustee Elliott: I'm not going to deal with that as well.

[0:44:36] Trustee Elliott: I consider it a very serious concern.

[0:44:40] Trustee Elliott: I'm very glad you showed up today. Thank you.

[0:44:43] Voice 8: Thank you. Thank you for the time.

[0:44:45] Trustee Elliott: All right. We're going to carry on with the agenda.

[0:44:47] Trustee Elliott: agenda. So we are moving ahead into the minutes. So we have minutes on page 33, item 7.1 on

[0:45:01] Trustee Elliott: the agenda for the February 2020, 25 minutes. Are there any corrections or changes to those

[0:45:07] Trustee Elliott: minutes? So can we approve those minutes to general consent? Excellent. We have the Advisory

[0:45:18] Trustee Elliott: Planning Commission minutes from the February 12th meeting here for

[0:45:22] Trustee Elliott: receipt. We also have the Housing Advisory Planning Commission

[0:45:26] Trustee Elliott: minutes from March 19 for your receipt.

[0:45:32] Trustee Elliott: So that brings us to item 8.1 on the agenda, which

[0:45:37] Trustee Elliott: is the follow-up action list, which is on page

[0:45:42] Trustee Elliott: 48. Is there any items that

[0:45:47] Trustee Elliott: staff needs to bring to our attention on the follow-up action list?

[0:45:51] Voice 11: So the only thing I'm making sure is they're all complete except one.

[0:45:56] Trustee Elliott: It is exciting. Any questions from trustees on the follow-up action? Just go ahead.

[0:46:02] Trustee Elliott: So then item two on our OCP project, I just don't see the correspondence from

[0:46:12] Trustee Elliott: from those pieces of correspondence

[0:46:15] Trustee Elliott: that would have been posted to the website.

[0:46:20] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure why, and this is a long ago item,

[0:46:24] Trustee Elliott: but one of them, yeah.

[0:46:27] Trustee Elliott: So do you see that on page 48?

[0:46:30] Trustee Elliott: There's letters about the Fort Worth structures,

[0:46:33] Trustee Elliott: the Fort Worth structures report from Warren,

[0:46:35] Trustee Elliott: a letter regarding dark skies,

[0:46:37] Trustee Elliott: the letter from E. Carrington.

[0:46:38] Trustee Elliott: this is about insecure and unstable housing contributing to illness and

[0:46:45] Trustee Elliott: actually in some cases potentially people died as a result of not having

[0:46:51] Trustee Elliott: adequate housing and these are supposed to be added to the OCP review project

[0:46:56] Trustee Elliott: project file and on the website, and all I see is a few pieces of course, so.

[0:47:03] Voice 3: That's all.

[0:47:14] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, they're in the file, so.

[0:47:15] Voice 3: They're in the visioning one? Oh, thanks.

[0:47:21] Voice 3: Yeah, yeah, okay. And I didn't have any other questions.

[0:47:28] Trustee Elliott: Maybe just a really quick question to staff. On page 49, two of the follow-up action reports,

[0:47:36] Trustee Elliott: the $10,000 of our project budget for engagement with Sninima First Nation,

[0:47:44] Trustee Elliott: how are they dealing with that? Are they doing

[0:47:49] Voice 13: okay with that?

[0:47:49] Trustee Elliott: So I'm working with them. It hasn't been challenging to connect to have meetings because they've been really quite busy.

[0:48:01] Trustee Elliott: There's a person who is leading this work, has a number of things on her plate, but we are consistently trying to identify times that we can connect with each other.

[0:48:15] Trustee Elliott: so there is a consistent connection there so yes so just there's momentum I think of it as a parallel

[0:48:23] Trustee Elliott: project yes yes along with our focus groups and I'm just hoping that it's working

[0:48:29] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah yeah well we're doing our best to try and find to try and have consistent

[0:48:36] Trustee Elliott: meetings at least so we can we can continue to support the momentum of that piece of it

[0:48:42] Trustee Elliott: it. Any other questions? I apologize. I just found those letters are in the phase one public

[0:48:50] Trustee Elliott: correspondence piece. This is what I'm saying. Our website is already even for me to navigate

[0:48:55] Trustee Elliott: sometimes. It's that stuff. So I apologize, staff. It's all there. Thanks. All right.

[0:49:04] Trustee Elliott: For their comments on the follow-up action list, we'll move into the applications and referrals

[0:49:09] Trustee Elliott: for item 9.1, zoning for Mid-Island Co-op.

[0:49:14] Trustee Elliott: Starts on page 51 of the agenda package.

[0:49:17] Trustee Elliott: And then

[0:49:17] Trustee Elliott: it's over to Planner Buck.

[0:49:20] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:49:20] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:49:21] Voice 11: Well, there's a bylaw and application

[0:49:25] Voice 11: for, and it's a proposal to amend

[0:49:28] Voice 11: both the Regional Official Community Plan

[0:49:30] Voice 11: and land use bylaw to permit pro-queen storage

[0:49:33] Voice 11: the use of 793 Lock and Bar Lane.

[0:49:36] Voice 11: This is a property that's adjacent to the Mid-Island Co-op gas station and it's currently

[0:49:42] Voice 11: zoned institutional too.

[0:49:45] Voice 11: So in addition to the propane storage use, the applicant is requesting that the existing

[0:49:49] Voice 11: use permitted uses be maintained and that's compatible with the property being included

[0:49:55] Voice 11: in the village commercial area.

[0:49:58] Voice 11: And this additional use doesn't require water or sewage.

[0:50:02] Voice 11: The applicant has provided a site plan showing the proposed propane storage tank and enclosure

[0:50:09] Voice 11: and an environmental emergency plan that's specific to the facility.

[0:50:16] Voice 11: Staff are recommending the LTC request staff to draft amendment bylaws to the OCP and the

[0:50:22] Voice 11: land use bylaw, which would also include the property in a development permit area for

[0:50:26] Voice 11: the village center and as well to notify this name impersonation of the application

[0:50:34] Voice 11: and one thing to note about that as well Japan did submit a referral to username impersonation prior

[0:50:40] Voice 11: to applying for their rezoning and they did receive a response back so you have that

[0:50:48] Voice 10: and

[0:50:49] Voice 11: the applicant is here as well their representative is here I

[0:50:52] Voice 10: think is

[0:50:53] Trustee Elliott: there anything you'd like that

[0:50:55] Trustee Elliott: I

[0:50:55] Voice 10: would actually. Hi, my name is Kelly Cartwright. I am an area manager for Mid-Island Co-op.

[0:51:01] Voice 10: I oversee nine gas bars, including the one located on Gabriola. So you have the proposal in front of

[0:51:08] Voice 10: me, but I just wanted to share some background information as to why we are looking to complete

[0:51:14] Voice 10: this. So in addition to the propane that we dispense at the gas bar, we also deliver over

[0:51:20] Voice 10: 400,000 liters of propane per year to our member owners and customers on the island,

[0:51:26] Voice 10: including residents, businesses, and essential island services such as the RCMP and grocery

[0:51:32] Voice 10: store. Technical Safety BC is a governing body that regulates the propane storage tanks.

[0:51:38] Voice 10: In recent years, they've updated some of their regulations, which means our current tank no

[0:51:44] Voice 10: longer meets requirements, specifically in regards to its location and proximity to other

[0:51:50] Voice 10: buildings on the property.

[0:51:53] Voice 10: The tank and its placement were grandfathered, however, this allowance will end at the end

[0:51:57] Voice 10: of this year, meaning at that time, if we have no approved developments in place, we

[0:52:03] Voice 10: will be unable to provide propane home deliveries to the residents.

[0:52:08] Voice 10: Over the past few years, we've looked at some other options, including other suitable properties

[0:52:13] Voice 10: with the correct zoning, though those are few on the island,

[0:52:17] Voice 10: and with the rising cost of land, any options other than what we are proposing

[0:52:22] Voice 10: were just not financially feasible.

[0:52:25] Voice 10: The property located behind the gas bar at 793 Locking Bar Lane

[0:52:29] Voice 10: that is currently zoned Institutional 2 was available for lease

[0:52:33] Voice 10: with no public interest and has sat empty for many years.

[0:52:38] Voice 10: Our zoning amendment proposal, if approved, would allow us to remove the building

[0:52:41] Voice 10: and build a new compound for a propane storage tank

[0:52:44] Voice 10: that meets or exceeds all technical safety BC requirements.

[0:52:48] Voice 10: We understand that this property has become a bit of a community meeting place

[0:52:52] Voice 10: where neighbours and friends enjoy coffees and conversations.

[0:52:56] Voice 10: It is our intention that this compound align with the village aesthetic

[0:53:00] Voice 10: as well as include a seating area so the community can continue to enjoy this space.

[0:53:06] Voice 10: Honestly, our biggest concern is that if this doesn't move forward,

[0:53:10] Voice 10: we're out of options to be able to provide this essential service to the island.

[0:53:15] Voice 10: BC Ferries only has one dangerous goods sailing,

[0:53:18] Voice 10: which means there's logistically no way all of the residents and businesses

[0:53:22] Voice 10: that currently we supply can get off-island vendors

[0:53:26] Voice 10: to bring the propane over that they need.

[0:53:28] Voice 10: So we're asking you to consider that when you're considering our proposal.

[0:53:35] Voice 10: Because again, if we're not approved,

[0:53:37] Voice 10: that means residents could possibly not be able to keep their home, cook their food,

[0:53:42] Voice 10: the grocery store might not be able to stay open and power outages and things like that.

[0:53:49] Voice 3: What was the date?

[0:53:50] Trustee Elliott: Was it the end of the year?

[0:53:52] Trustee Elliott: The end of 2025.

[0:53:55] Trustee Elliott: Trustees, questions for the applicant or the staff?

[0:53:59] Trustee Elliott: I just, I don't know if I heard properly,

[0:54:02] Trustee Elliott: really, but so the lot that it's currently on has a leased, is it a business place or residential?

[0:54:11] Voice 10: The property that we're proposing to housing.

[0:54:14] Voice 10: It is an institutional, it used to be a medical

[0:54:19] Voice 10: building, but it

[0:54:20] Voice 10: sat vacant for quite some time. And generally now it's just being used as storage

[0:54:25] Voice 10: and people sit on the front porch and drink their coffee.

[0:54:29] Trustee Elliott: Okay. So you haven't had any applications

[0:54:31] Trustee Elliott: for leasing that.

[0:54:34] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:54:35] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:54:35] Trustee Elliott: That's all.

[0:54:36] Trustee Elliott: No, it's great.

[0:54:38] Trustee Elliott: And I really appreciate that there might be

[0:54:41] Trustee Elliott: continued use of the seating and hanging out.

[0:54:46] Trustee Elliott: Are there going to be any trees on the property

[0:54:48] Trustee Elliott: or is everything taken down?

[0:54:51] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:54:52] Voice 10: So our plan, there are two trees

[0:54:54] Voice 10: that we are trying very hard in our plans to save.

[0:54:57] Voice 10: There's a spliced plum tree

[0:54:58] Voice 10: that's sitting right in front of the building

[0:55:00] Voice 10: as well as a magnolia tree. So those we are, I know it's not in the rendering that you have,

[0:55:06] Voice 10: but we are planning to keep those and move the compound back slightly. Also any trees that are

[0:55:13] Voice 10: removed for this compound we plan to replant on the property as well. So trying to make it as

[0:55:20] Voice 10: green as possible. I

[0:55:23] Voice 13: have just a couple questions. So Kelly thanks so much for showing up today.

[0:55:26] Voice 13: Do you know whether Technical Safety BC bases its new requirements on earthquake,

[0:55:33] Voice 10: like are

[0:55:34] Voice 10: some of the new regulations based on earthquake possibilities?

[0:55:38] Voice 10: Some of them might.

[0:55:40] Voice 10: The ones that really affect our tank in particular is that now the regulation for distance between

[0:55:47] Voice 10: the tank and the neighboring building where it currently sits, it does not meet standards.

[0:55:52] Voice 10: It would in this new property.

[0:55:57] Voice 10: That used to be my doctor's office.

[0:55:59] Trustee Elliott: Oh, actually.

[0:56:01] Trustee Elliott: And I know that I live in the vapor cloud explosion fireball rent zone.

[0:56:09] Trustee Elliott: It looks so bad.

[0:56:12] Trustee Elliott: Me, my neighbor, and my kids.

[0:56:17] Trustee Elliott: But I love the staff report and the emergency preparedness report.

[0:56:23] Trustee Elliott: I read the whole thing, obviously.

[0:56:25] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:56:25] Trustee Elliott: I'm in that zone.

[0:56:26] Trustee Elliott: I better read that.

[0:56:28] Trustee Elliott: that's great so um despite the the scariness of all that um yeah there's a ton of stuff in there

[0:56:36] Trustee Elliott: for mitigation which i really do appreciate um

[0:56:39] Voice 13: i

[0:56:40] Trustee Elliott: don't have no hesitation in going ahead with the

[0:56:44] Trustee Elliott: the three-step recommendations yeah

[0:56:46] Voice 3: yeah

[0:56:47] Trustee Elliott: so are we ready i'm happy to make the first motion

[0:56:51] Trustee Elliott: i move that the gabriel island local trust committee request staff to prepare draft

[0:56:55] Trustee Elliott: amendments to the Gabriel Island official community

[0:56:58] Voice 13: plan that will include

[0:57:00] Voice 13: lot 42 section 20 every little island in our district plan to do 7 to 3 793 lock

[0:57:07] Voice 13: of our Lane Gabriel Island PID 0 0 2 6 2 3 4 6 3 in the village commercial land

[0:57:16] Voice 13: use designation and

[0:57:17] Trustee Elliott: village center development permit area number 7 sir

[0:57:22] Trustee Elliott: Is there a second?

[0:57:22] Trustee Elliott: Seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[0:57:24] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[0:57:26] Trustee Elliott: Well, I'll call the vote.

[0:57:27] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[0:57:28] Trustee Elliott: And that carries.

[0:57:30] Trustee Elliott: I move the second one.

[0:57:32] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[0:57:34] Trustee Elliott: request staff to draft amendments

[0:57:35] Trustee Elliott: to the Gabriel Island Land User By-law

[0:57:38] Trustee Elliott: to rezone Lot 42, Section 20,

[0:57:40] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel Island and Island District Plan 22-723-793,

[0:57:46] Trustee Elliott: Locke and Bar Lane, Gabriel Island PID 002-623-463

[0:57:51] Trustee Elliott: to a site-specific village commercial zone

[0:57:54] Trustee Elliott: which maintains the existing uses,

[0:57:57] Trustee Elliott: expands principal commercial uses

[0:57:59] Trustee Elliott: consistent with the bylaw amendment application,

[0:58:01] Trustee Elliott: and regulates buildings and structures,

[0:58:03] Trustee Elliott: height, siting requirements, including setbacks,

[0:58:06] Trustee Elliott: lot coverage, parking, and subdivision.

[0:58:08] Trustee Elliott: I'll second.

[0:58:09] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Yates, any discussion?

[0:58:12] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[0:58:13] Trustee Elliott: Also carries.

[0:58:15] Trustee Elliott: I'm happy to move the third recommendation.

[0:58:18] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[0:58:20] Trustee Elliott: committee request

[0:58:21] Voice 13: staff to provide notification

[0:58:22] Voice 13: to Snuneymux First Nation of application PLR Z20240091,

[0:58:31] Voice 13: describing the

[0:58:32] Trustee Elliott: scope of proposed changes

[0:58:33] Trustee Elliott: to the Gabriela official community plan

[0:58:35] Trustee Elliott: and land use fly loft.

[0:58:38] Trustee Elliott: Moved by Trustee Elliot.

[0:58:39] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[0:58:41] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[0:58:42] Trustee Elliott: And that also carries.

[0:58:45] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for coming today, Kelly,

[0:58:46] Trustee Elliott: and we'll see you at the next step.

[0:58:50] Trustee Elliott: Well, I have to say I'm on the XFAC advisory committee, and one of our biggest issues over

[0:58:58] Trustee Elliott: this past year has been the dangerous cargo overloading and not being able to get those

[0:59:02] Trustee Elliott: propane trucks on that.

[0:59:03] Trustee Elliott: So the more storage we have locally, the better off we'll be now.

[0:59:07] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:59:09] Trustee Elliott: All right, trustees, moving along.

[0:59:12] Trustee Elliott: Item 9.2 on the agenda is a temporary use permit.

[0:59:15] Trustee Elliott: permit. It's on page 55 of your agenda, and this is for a lot

[0:59:22] Voice 7: less than 30, so hello.

[0:59:24] Voice 7: So I, this is a temporary use permit renewal. In 2022, the LTC approves a temporary use

[0:59:34] Voice 7: permit for a commercial vacation rental in an accessory dwelling at 1590 Hess Road. The

[0:59:40] Voice 7: applicant has now applied for a three-year renewal of the permit in accordance with the

[0:59:44] Voice 7: land use bylaw temporary use permit guidelines. Staff is

[0:59:48] Voice 7: recommending issuance of the renewal as the operation has

[0:59:51] Voice 7: complied with zoning land use regulations, no formal concerns

[0:59:55] Voice 7: been raised to date, and the commercial rental has operated

[0:59:59] Voice 7: without

[1:00:00] Voice 7: to issues the property is so large rural residential and commercial vacation rentals

[1:00:05] Voice 7: are permitted in this zone with the tup regarding the principal residence requirement the applicant

[1:00:11] Voice 7: confirms that the property is their full-time residence although it wasn't required notification

[1:00:17] Voice 7: was sent out to neighbors within 100 meters and no public feedback has been received as of today

[1:00:25] Voice 7: So based on the application, the compliance history, staff recommend issuing the renewal

[1:00:31] Voice 7: permit.

[1:00:33] Voice 7: There would be some alternatives that you could consider, and that would be requesting

[1:00:38] Voice 7: additional information if needed, altering the length of the permit for one or two years,

[1:00:45] Voice 7: or the length issuance of the permit.

[1:00:49] Trustee Elliott: Right, so I can hear.

[1:00:51] Trustee Elliott: Anything you'd like to add?

[1:00:53] Trustee Elliott: um

[1:00:53] Voice 13: just when you said one five nine zero it should be one five nine one

[1:00:58] Voice 3: okay that's all

[1:01:00] Voice 13: that's all right

[1:01:01] Voice 5: sorry all right excuse me the street location for the

[1:01:09] Voice 5: rental was uh n599

[1:01:17] Voice 5: that

[1:01:18] Voice 13: is correct on our yeah we did that which is the garbage can thing

[1:01:23] Voice 3: right

[1:01:28] Trustee Elliott: any questions and trustees for stopping the outreach um i'm satisfied with all the

[1:01:36] Trustee Elliott: information and would be happy to reissue or um we call it renew the temporary permit

[1:01:46] Trustee Elliott: But the one thing that caught my eye, and this is, this is something we've been asking all temporary permit holders to sort of update the information about First Nations presence on the island.

[1:01:59] Trustee Elliott: And so I recognize that in your house rules, you've got information about the Mississauga territories and First Nations, that's really great.

[1:02:10] Trustee Elliott: And that you're asking people to be respectful of the peoples.

[1:02:13] Trustee Elliott: But what caught me was, at the end of it, you read,

[1:02:17] Trustee Elliott: for more information on the Sinema First Nation Peoples of Gabriela,

[1:02:21] Trustee Elliott: we encourage you to visit the Gabriela Museum.

[1:02:23] Trustee Elliott: And that gave me pause because it makes me think that this is a historical people

[1:02:29] Trustee Elliott: that their presence sort of is curated in the museum.

[1:02:34] Trustee Elliott: And while our Gabriela Museum has wonderful information developed

[1:02:38] Trustee Elliott: could we maybe encourage you to to work on the language a little bit maybe you could direct

[1:02:47] Trustee Elliott: people to the synonymic website where they are you know speaking about their own people and their

[1:02:53] Trustee Elliott: presence in the territory a museum directing people to a museum just makes it seem like

[1:02:59] Trustee Elliott: they're an artifact which is still very much present and here and in the territory so like

[1:03:05] Trustee Elliott: We

[1:03:06] Voice 13: did train. We went to the museum initially to find out, hey, what should we do, how should we do this kind of thing,

[1:03:14] Trustee Elliott: but that was all what we came up with.

[1:03:16] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, and this is constantly

[1:03:18] Trustee Elliott: evolving and growing, so we're all learning together. This is not in any way, it's just we're trying to adapt our language so that it's very inclusive and recognizing there's still a very strong presence here.

[1:03:31] Trustee Elliott: would it be

[1:03:32] Trustee Elliott: possible to get that um well you can go

[1:03:36] Voice 1: to their website yeah their website

[1:03:38] Trustee Elliott: and you could probably pull anything in which they describe themselves their their heritage and

[1:03:49] Trustee Elliott: and traditions yeah um okay i think we've seen some really good ones coming forward recently

[1:03:55] Trustee Elliott: and so just as people renew their leases we're asking you to keep renewing our um

[1:04:00] Trustee Elliott: the education information we're providing to visitors so thank you so much i have no other

[1:04:07] Trustee Elliott: questions yeah and i would say the same as trustee elliot

[1:04:09] Voice 13: i just have one quick question from staff

[1:04:11] Voice 13: because one of the things i always look

[1:04:14] Trustee Elliott: at when we do either a renewal or a new temporary use

[1:04:17] Trustee Elliott: permit is how many active um short-term vacation rentals legal are in in that same neighborhood

[1:04:25] Trustee Elliott: And I know at one point, Planner Tamayda kind of included that on the checklist.

[1:04:31] Trustee Elliott: So on the checklist, there's, you know, the local trust committee should consider the cumulative effects on the neighborhood and the island of all TDPs, which I like to do.

[1:04:44] Trustee Elliott: And it says there's currently six, including this one, which is great.

[1:04:48] Trustee Elliott: But I always want to know, what about in this neighborhood, in this water catchment sort of area, are there any others?

[1:04:55] Trustee Elliott: I didn't pull

[1:04:56] Voice 13: a map, I just pulled a number, so

[1:04:58] Voice 7: I'm not sure.

[1:05:00] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so

[1:05:00] Trustee Elliott: just an alert to staff, that's something I'm always going to ask for, is how many in that general neighborhood, I think Stephen would be able to pull up the map here, right?

[1:05:12] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, which star

[1:05:14] Voice 11: would it be, Marlon?

[1:05:15] Voice 11: It's the moon's head.

[1:05:18] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:05:19] Voice 11: I can tell you, probably none within many kilometers.

[1:05:24] Trustee Elliott: Okay, great.

[1:05:26] Voice 11: and

[1:05:26] Trustee Elliott: even if there were,

[1:05:27] Trustee Elliott: wouldn't necessarily alter my thoughts,

[1:05:31] Trustee Elliott: just good to know, yeah.

[1:05:33] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[1:05:35] Trustee Elliott: Thank you very much.

[1:05:36] Trustee Elliott: Comment, just to share some information with staff.

[1:05:38] Trustee Elliott: Last spring, we had a recent meeting with ministry staff

[1:05:41] Trustee Elliott: on the Short-Term Rental Accommodation Act,

[1:05:43] Trustee Elliott: and they did mention they're working

[1:05:45] Trustee Elliott: with some municipalities that have temporary use permits

[1:05:47] Trustee Elliott: instead of business licenses to make the registry work

[1:05:50] Trustee Elliott: in collaboration with that.

[1:05:51] Trustee Elliott: So just a heads up,

[1:05:53] Trustee Elliott: you might want to ask if there's opportunities there to um help on that there are no further

[1:06:02] Trustee Elliott: questions i'm happy to make the motion and thank you um planner mccarter for this really comprehensive

[1:06:09] Trustee Elliott: report so appreciative of that so

[1:06:11] Voice 13: i move that the gabriel island local test committee approve

[1:06:14] Voice 13: Prove issuance of PLTUP 2024-0310, a renewal of GBTUP 2022.2,

[1:06:24] Trustee Elliott: for a period of three years.

[1:06:26] Trustee Elliott: Second.

[1:06:27] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Elliott, any discussion?

[1:06:29] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[1:06:32] Trustee Elliott: And that carries.

[1:06:35] Trustee Elliott: Thank you very much.

[1:06:36] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for coming.

[1:06:38] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I didn't mean to send you some info or help.

[1:06:43] Voice 13: We'll be through.

[1:06:44] Voice 13: Thanks.

[1:06:46] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:06:46] Trustee Elliott: Have you had it all right on the registry and things through the premise?

[1:06:50] Trustee Elliott: It's all right.

[1:06:51] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, the registry.

[1:06:52] Trustee Elliott: That's all.

[1:06:58] Voice 5: You are

[1:07:00] Trustee Elliott: not alone. You're not alone. We heard that question asked by many people at the

[1:07:05] Trustee Elliott: I didn't get to see you last week, so.

[1:07:07] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:07:09] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:07:10] Trustee Elliott: Take care.

[1:07:12] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[1:07:13] Trustee Elliott: Moving on, we have 9.3.

[1:07:15] Trustee Elliott: This is a development permit.

[1:07:19] Trustee Elliott: Page 190 of the stock report.

[1:07:23] Just doing that

[1:07:25] Voice 7: again.

[1:07:28] Voice 7: All right.

[1:07:28] Voice 7: All right, so this is a development permit application,

[1:07:31] Voice 7: PNDP 2025-0069,

[1:07:35] Voice 7: nine and this is an application for the removal of a single tree within development permit area

[1:07:40] Voice 7: six the escarpment areas dp due to slope sensitivity so the purpose of this development

[1:07:47] Voice 7: permit area is to protect development from natural hazards like slope instability erosion and land

[1:07:52] Voice 7: slippage staff are recommending that the gabriella ltc approve issuance of the development permit

[1:07:59] Voice 7: and staff are also recommending that the ltc add a comprehensive review and update of the mapping

[1:08:05] Voice 7: objectives and guidelines for DP6 to the future projects list. So the subject

[1:08:11] Voice 7: property is zoned small rural residential and contains slopes greater

[1:08:15] Voice 7: than 80%. The applicant proposes to remove one immature Douglas fir

[1:08:20] Voice 7: tree at the crest of the slope. They provided a geotechnical field review

[1:08:25] Voice 7: which is a package conducted in October of 2004 and that concluded that there's

[1:08:32] Voice 7: no negative impacts on slope stability and that tree removal may actually benefit slope stability

[1:08:38] Voice 7: by preventing root invasion into bedrock fractures. So the application aligns with both of the

[1:08:44] Voice 7: objectives in DP6 and the specific guidelines in the land use bylaw. This application meets the

[1:08:51] Voice 7: guidelines but staff are recommending a broader review of DP6. The existing mapping is outdated

[1:08:59] Voice 7: and it's not compatible with GIS.

[1:09:01] Voice 7: And the current guidelines focus only on slope instability.

[1:09:05] Voice 7: So considerations could be for the broader environmental

[1:09:09] Voice 7: and heritage considerations

[1:09:11] Voice 7: that could be added in the future.

[1:09:14] Voice 7: The staff are suggesting that DP6 be updated

[1:09:17] Voice 7: to the future project list

[1:09:20] Voice 7: or possibly including it in scope

[1:09:24] Voice 7: for the current major OCP project,

[1:09:28] Voice 7: So I

[1:09:30] Voice 13: have a quick question on exactly that because I wrote it down here.

[1:09:33] Voice 13: I thought we were already doing a complete DP review when we do our OCP review.

[1:09:40] Voice 13: So I would automatically, absolutely, for sure want to see this added to our OCP project.

[1:09:47] Voice 13: So I'm not sure whether we need to also

[1:09:52] Trustee Elliott: ask for it to have a separate review here.

[1:09:54] Trustee Elliott: here. So maybe signer Chadwick, can you comment on that?

[1:10:00] Trustee Elliott: Um, yeah, yes. A DP review is part of the OCP project. Yeah.

[1:10:05] Trustee Elliott: And of course, it went into DP six, right? Yeah. And this

[1:10:08] Trustee Elliott: would come up several times, actually, this particular DP,

[1:10:12] Trustee Elliott: like, Oh, my God, we have to get out, we had added it already.

[1:10:14] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I think, yeah, it's been a part of the discussion, at

[1:10:19] Trustee Elliott: at least, I mean, specifically the project charter, specifically the project charter

[1:10:26] Trustee Elliott: as well. I mean, there's questions related to that as well, though, that we can talk

[1:10:32] Trustee Elliott: a bit more about, and that is, you know, do you want an OCP and then the DPs? Because

[1:10:37] Trustee Elliott: the DPs could take several years. So there is an opportunity to, well, it's the environment

[1:10:46] Trustee Elliott: meeting we're having next week we we we have a number of model i'm going to get so i'm getting

[1:10:51] Trustee Elliott: off the topic here we've got the

[1:10:53] Voice 7: ocp let's talk about the ocp project yeah

[1:10:55] Voice 3: we're

[1:10:56] Voice 7: just making a

[1:10:57] Voice 7: point to highlight it anytime we get a development permit application for dp6 so it's included in

[1:11:03] Voice 7: this ocp project great if not i think you're marked for the future projects list

[1:11:12] Trustee Elliott: i'm concerned like because this is not the first time it's come up with a current application

[1:11:17] Trustee Elliott: and you know it's immediately clear that this dp is out of date so i'm concerned that if we

[1:11:23] Trustee Elliott: what we said we were going to do is just put it in with the ocp review and then the land use

[1:11:28] Trustee Elliott: file our review i'm really concerned that it could be years before we get to this does this

[1:11:33] Trustee Elliott: speed it up at all i was going to actually make a suggestion too because it turns out

[1:11:38] Trustee Elliott: salt spring our steep slope is tremendously out of date because i thought it was always based on

[1:11:46] Trustee Elliott: LIDAR or something like that, but it was a guy driving around a pickup truck

[1:11:50] Trustee Elliott: buying it. That's Steve. I'm like, oh my. So there's opportunities

[1:11:54] Trustee Elliott: I think to also consider bringing this to the attention of the Regional Planning

[1:11:58] Trustee Elliott: Committee as budgets are being pulled together and he thinks for next

[1:12:02] Trustee Elliott: term already that a wider

[1:12:07] Trustee Elliott: it's usually done on GIS system and LIDAR

[1:12:10] Trustee Elliott: and different ways that maybe other islands could benefit with a

[1:12:13] Trustee Elliott: um trust why

[1:12:15] Voice 13: well or at

[1:12:16] Trustee Elliott: least what's reasonable i don't know how many islands have the same

[1:12:19] Trustee Elliott: challenge but i know salt spring does i don't know what others are in the same category

[1:12:24] Trustee Elliott: um at least it should be considered there's efficiencies yeah we should seek them but um

[1:12:30] Trustee Elliott: any other questions here go ahead trustee so i know there's two development permit violations

[1:12:36] Trustee Elliott: your file from 2012 and 2023 um are there any trees left on the slope and this is just

[1:12:44] Trustee Elliott: sort of the last one left to be cut down for you i don't see much there

[1:13:03] Voice 6: you're

[1:13:03] Trustee Elliott: just in time we just heard from staff is there anything you'd like to add on your

[1:13:08] Trustee Elliott: application here?

[1:13:09] Voice 6: I don't know. There's plenty of trees on that slope. This is the one that I was talking about.

[1:13:17] Voice 6: But how

[1:13:18] Trustee Elliott: many other trees were removed that brought this to the attention of

[1:13:27] Trustee Elliott: as an EV violation or an EV violation?

[1:13:31] Voice 6: What happened was we had some trees moved around the property that were not on the slope but at the same time

[1:13:35] Voice 6: I have lawyers just talk that this particular tree and not knowing that that was a wide ratio of time and one officer came by and talked about it and so since then I've gone through the process to get them talking.

[1:13:50] Trustee Elliott: Oh, excellent. Thank you. So it's a problematic tree.

[1:13:53] Trustee Elliott: All right. I don't have any other questions.

[1:13:56] Trustee Elliott: We can tell that when it was talked it turned into a shrub.

[1:13:59] Trustee Elliott: I know we don't have any questions for the questions we'd like to proceed at least the

[1:14:06] Trustee Elliott: first one that's the second one I can do that so I move that the Gabriel I'm a local trust

[1:14:11] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel Highlands local trust committee approved issuance of development permit PLDP 2025-0069

[1:14:18] Trustee Elliott: I'll second that okay any discussion all of them all those in favor that carries

[1:14:25] Trustee Elliott: I would like to do a second one here. I still at least like you to bring it to regional planning committees.

[1:14:31] Trustee Elliott: You can proceed how you think you would like to, but if you could bring it to regional planning committees.

[1:14:35] Trustee Elliott: I mean,

[1:14:36] Voice 3: Gabriel

[1:14:39] Trustee Elliott: and Steep Slope DP is a particular problem.

[1:14:42] Trustee Elliott: It's very badly done. But I don't know if there's going to be a regional project.

[1:14:48] Trustee Elliott: It should be on shorelines. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree.

[1:14:53] Trustee Elliott: I'm just saying, though, if the money has to be spent to purchase the LIDAR and do the

[1:14:59] Trustee Elliott: analysis, we should at least look at, is there any efficiencies by doing that on other islands?

[1:15:05] Trustee Elliott: That's only my question.

[1:15:08] Trustee Elliott: I would hope we would always do that as a standard practice at the Amherst Trust, but

[1:15:12] Trustee Elliott: I don't know.

[1:15:13] Trustee Elliott: So here's a question for Steph.

[1:15:15] Trustee Elliott: If we make the second recommendation, we'll at least have noted how important it is, but

[1:15:21] Trustee Elliott: it'll be on a future projects list which is you know you know we already know it's part of our

[1:15:27] Trustee Elliott: official community plan review but as you point out that could be years too what's the fastest

[1:15:33] Voice 13: and most efficient way to deal with dp6 okay

[1:15:41] Trustee Elliott: so yeah so here i go into the the the dp part of it

[1:15:44] Trustee Elliott: um so the problem with the g so there's two problems um one is the mapping and one is that

[1:15:54] Trustee Elliott: that there's no guidance, essentially, we do have a model

[1:15:57] Trustee Elliott: guidelines. And so I'm part of the OCD. So when we get to, and

[1:16:04] Trustee Elliott: I can, I can talk a little bit more in the OCP section, but

[1:16:07] Trustee Elliott: there's an opportunity to, to use our model guidelines that we

[1:16:13] Trustee Elliott: have that have been reviewed. There are ones that are based on

[1:16:16] Trustee Elliott: other islands, our regional planning manager and staff

[1:16:21] Trustee Elliott: staff person, who work a lot with DPAs and gone through and created these models. So we can use

[1:16:29] Trustee Elliott: the models with the existing, we can use, and that's an easy process. That's part of, that can

[1:16:34] Trustee Elliott: be part of an OCP process. That's an easier to do process. I mean, I imagine that you're going to

[1:16:42] Trustee Elliott: have to make a decision around whether you want to go with the quick ones and move the OCP forward

[1:16:48] Trustee Elliott: and work on some of the others because some of the other ones will require, and again, at this point, it hasn't been decided what the other DPAs might be.

[1:16:57] Trustee Elliott: But in this case, it's fairly straightforward. There's an opportunity to use the guidelines with existing mapping, unless we know of other mapping that exists that we can use.

[1:17:08] Trustee Elliott: the actual mapping is this is where the time consuming and the costly piece comes as if you

[1:17:15] Trustee Elliott: want to start to create map in the various and that is something that would have to be

[1:17:25] Trustee Elliott: considered in terms of the length of time that might take

[1:17:33] Trustee Elliott: I'm not in favor of adding it to the future projects list because I remember that it was

[1:17:37] Trustee Elliott: was added and then it was taken off and added to the scope of the OCP project so I don't I I do see

[1:17:43] Trustee Elliott: the utility of doing this one steep slope I would say if we're going to focus on DP areas it's going

[1:17:51] Trustee Elliott: to be groundwater and shorelines uh steep slope if we've got a model for it then that can be

[1:18:00] Trustee Elliott: maybe the end of the list, but it's about protecting development.

[1:18:05] Trustee Elliott: So I'm less interested in working on it.

[1:18:09] Voice 7: Well, you're considering.

[1:18:10] Voice 7: It could be about more than that, I guess,

[1:18:12] Voice 7: more as well as saying it could be about consideration

[1:18:14] Voice 7: and environmental.

[1:18:15] Voice 7: Like it could be, and then perhaps the moral one is.

[1:18:20] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. So I would say, so like as part of the OCP,

[1:18:24] Trustee Elliott: so we do DPA review is part of the OCP.

[1:18:28] Trustee Elliott: redoing them all and doing all redoing all the mapping and all of those sorts of things is there are parts to this that you'll have to decide how you want to prioritize yeah um

[1:18:40] Trustee Elliott: but as part of this process i'll be able to provide with provide to you um what what your options are like where we've got where we've got the guidelines where we've got mapping that you

[1:18:53] Trustee Elliott: know new mapping will have been mapping for the groundwater for example so

[1:18:57] Trustee Elliott: So I think it's right to say it's still part of the OCP process.

[1:19:07] Trustee Elliott: I don't think you're not going to lose anything in terms of looking at how this is dealt with as part of that.

[1:19:13] Trustee Elliott: But there is a decision-making point in that process to decide how you want to deal with each one and whether you want new ones.

[1:19:22] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah and actually you and i have talked about whether other sources of funding might

[1:19:28] Trustee Elliott: be available if there was sort of a uh you know a freshwater focused eps real estate foundation

[1:19:35] Trustee Elliott: or something or a community a broader community process or something so i we still need to look

[1:19:43] Trustee Elliott: at the long range of this ocp review it's not going to be one of that it's like okay there's

[1:19:48] Trustee Elliott: other parts that we've got to figure out to get to finish but okay i'm glad that this is part of

[1:19:54] Trustee Elliott: that scope yeah enough other questions i still think the mapping could be brought to attention

[1:20:00] Trustee Elliott: because i think why there's other islands that the mapping issue is challenging do you think there it

[1:20:07] Trustee Elliott: would be useful to have a

[1:20:07] Voice 13: notion to bring it to the attention of the regional planning committee

[1:20:10] Voice 13: i don't

[1:20:10] Trustee Elliott: think it hurts to about you know police seeking opportunities to occur mapping because

[1:20:16] Trustee Elliott: Because I think the more that committee knows of the overall needs,

[1:20:20] Trustee Elliott: the more it can help structure those, find those efficiencies.

[1:20:25] Trustee Elliott: So that's my hope of how that committee should work.

[1:20:28] Trustee Elliott: Can we think about it and then maybe make that motion during the OC,

[1:20:32] Trustee Elliott: when we have that conversation?

[1:20:34] Trustee Elliott: You can find

[1:20:35] Trustee Elliott: something, but a bit.

[1:20:39] Trustee Elliott: Unless you're, no, no.

[1:20:41] Trustee Elliott: So then we'll just hold off on this and come back to it later.

[1:20:44] Trustee Elliott: So then we're done with this one.

[1:20:46] Trustee Elliott: Now, did you want to move on to break?

[1:20:48] Trustee Elliott: would you prefer us to move on to the ocp while we have you um there's this so that you can um

[1:20:53] Trustee Elliott: are people needing like a break because i'm trying to keep going i don't think you'll have

[1:20:58] Trustee Elliott: a break before your next good meeting yeah so it works fine all right and we're going to keep on

[1:21:03] Trustee Elliott: plugging away here and go to item 10.1 the agenda which is the major project starts on page 206 of

[1:21:12] Trustee Elliott: your agenda packet but over to you all right thank you um chair patrick's the first time

[1:21:22] Trustee Elliott: i've been here with you um yeah so i yeah it's really nice to be here on the island today

[1:21:29] Trustee Elliott: so it's good to connect with uh with gabriela so i'm just appreciating that um so last uh it was

[1:21:38] Trustee Elliott: at the last special meeting um which was focused i think was a connectivity i think we were looking

[1:21:45] Trustee Elliott: at parks and trails and such but we had further conversation around the engagement process

[1:21:53] Trustee Elliott: and um you trustees were beginning to have some some dialogue and questions around um

[1:22:01] Trustee Elliott: next steps in the engagement and what that would look like and so this report is presented to you

[1:22:08] Trustee Elliott: as an opportunity to to have a bit of a conversation and um and to really understand

[1:22:13] Trustee Elliott: um what you what you're interested in in terms of moving forward and also to identify some of the um

[1:22:20] Trustee Elliott: the implications uh around different options and essentially there's there's sort of two bucket

[1:22:27] Trustee Elliott: uh there's all actually let me just go through um where we've been so that everybody's on the

[1:22:34] Trustee Elliott: So, so, so far, our engagement process on the second phase of engagement, our first

[1:22:42] Trustee Elliott: phase was a visioning process.

[1:22:43] Trustee Elliott: This has been more focused on very specific topics.

[1:22:47] Trustee Elliott: So it's included sharing discussion guidelines on topics.

[1:22:53] Trustee Elliott: We've had some social media posts and we posted on our website.

[1:22:57] Trustee Elliott: We have discussion guides for each topic so people can have a look.

[1:23:01] Trustee Elliott: We've got a, we've had a survey out since November, which closes at the, I think the

[1:23:07] Trustee Elliott: first was May, we've extended it to the first May.

[1:23:09] Trustee Elliott: It's the 15th.

[1:23:10] Trustee Elliott: 15th of May, yes, perfect.

[1:23:12] Trustee Elliott: That's great.

[1:23:13] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so that's been extended, and so far, I think we're in the upper 200s when I last

[1:23:20] Trustee Elliott: looked, so we're looking pretty good, because it's a fairly lengthy survey, and there's

[1:23:27] Trustee Elliott: actually some very, very great feedback that's coming back from that.

[1:23:31] Trustee Elliott: We've scheduled focus meetings for the themes of housing, economy, connectivity, resource

[1:23:38] Trustee Elliott: stewardship, fresh water environment.

[1:23:40] Trustee Elliott: So we have a fresh water environment, fresh water's happening today, environment's happening

[1:23:45] Trustee Elliott: next Thursday.

[1:23:46] Trustee Elliott: And as I said before, these have been very good.

[1:23:50] Trustee Elliott: We've had a very good mix of folks, invitations have gone out to folks that have been in groups

[1:23:59] Trustee Elliott: that the trustees have identified and we've also people that have found have

[1:24:05] Trustee Elliott: connected and been interested in the focus groups have also had the

[1:24:10] Trustee Elliott: opportunity to be engaged with them and I would say we're trying to be very

[1:24:19] Trustee Elliott: focused so at each focus group we're providing draft language for violence a

[1:24:25] Trustee Elliott: draft language for goals and objectives, and policies. And

[1:24:31] Trustee Elliott: that's been a really good way at identifying very clearly what

[1:24:35] Trustee Elliott: the role of the of the of the the OCP for Gabriel is that it

[1:24:42] Trustee Elliott: is legal document document that the quality dark focus on land

[1:24:46] Trustee Elliott: use. And it's been great because we've got we're trying to try

[1:24:50] Trustee Elliott: to find those little nuggets that that have that we haven't

[1:24:53] Trustee Elliott: lot and it's been really great in in gathering that um uh you know example being um the importance

[1:25:01] Trustee Elliott: of um sports fields and thinking about the sports fields as an amenity for example so

[1:25:06] Trustee Elliott: things like that little little bits and pieces that are coming out that have been really great

[1:25:10] Trustee Elliott: um um and uh and then being able to focus with the LTC on on each topic it's been very helpful

[1:25:18] Trustee Elliott: So, the plan at this point is to wrap up all that feedback that we've gathered, as well

[1:25:29] Trustee Elliott: as the survey feedback, create another iteration of the policies, and then put them out to

[1:25:34] Trustee Elliott: the community for the next phase of engagement.

[1:25:38] Trustee Elliott: engagement. So that engagement, I've identified some basic, basic steps. And these can be

[1:25:47] Trustee Elliott: discussed and added to potentially community orientation to the next phase, whatever that

[1:25:53] Trustee Elliott: might look like, it could be a zoom meeting, it could be a larger meeting, it could be

[1:25:56] Trustee Elliott: just information on the website. The sharing of community profiles, a community profile,

[1:26:07] Trustee Elliott: file which has been put together and that's basically all the background information on

[1:26:12] Trustee Elliott: what on Gabriela so all of the discussion guides are essentially going to be put together with some

[1:26:18] Trustee Elliott: additional information into like a 15-page community profile which can potentially be

[1:26:25] Trustee Elliott: updated every time you get a new census data so there could potentially be an ongoing

[1:26:37] Trustee Elliott: So question on that point, community information profile, that's a compilation of all the discussion

[1:26:45] Trustee Elliott: guides or data that we've got so far, and has this been done before?

[1:26:51] Trustee Elliott: Because I'm trying to think if I've ever seen that.

[1:26:54] Trustee Elliott: So in our files, we have community profile that were done in the 90s.

[1:26:58] Trustee Elliott: So not since then, at least not in our system.

[1:27:02] Trustee Elliott: So this would be sort of not a companion to the OCP, but it kind of is a companion to the OCP.

[1:27:09] Trustee Elliott: So what we observed is that a lot of this data is like in the OCP.

[1:27:14] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. And again, so we're moving from and what if you have in step in the every time you update your OCP,

[1:27:20] Trustee Elliott: you know, you sort of go through a process and it's better to keep the policies sort of the legal part.

[1:27:28] Trustee Elliott: this is this is the approach we're taking is that is to have this and this is also something that's

[1:27:35] Trustee Elliott: been observed that a number of other communities do is they have a community profile that

[1:27:40] Trustee Elliott: identifies all the information yeah the background you know on the island a bit of history and all

[1:27:47] Trustee Elliott: of that yeah

[1:27:48] Trustee Elliott: and then the ocp can refer to it and then that what that does is it it provides

[1:27:54] Trustee Elliott: more flexibility and update the community profile all the time.

[1:27:57] Voice 3: Right.

[1:27:59] Trustee Elliott: And we were, we took advantage of our co-op student's time,

[1:28:05] Trustee Elliott: Duane, to put that together.

[1:28:09] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:28:09] Trustee Elliott: So, I mean, it's a bit of, I mean, I feel like the Gabriola,

[1:28:14] Trustee Elliott: this process is a bit of a test case for a few different things

[1:28:20] Trustee Elliott: that we haven't done before.

[1:28:21] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:28:21] Voice 13: So the information guides, Nersa, we did get a note from you, I think it was yesterday or the day before, on some of the

[1:28:27] Trustee Elliott: inconsistencies and possible errors.

[1:28:29] Trustee Elliott: And so those will all be fixed before any more go out.

[1:28:34] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I mean, it's on the website and we will address those.

[1:28:43] Trustee Elliott: So we're working towards the completion of the focus group engagement.

[1:28:47] Trustee Elliott: engagement. Basically, our last one will be next week, on Thursday of next week environment.

[1:28:53] Trustee Elliott: And that that they're, they're restricted to 12 small groups, and we have it in our

[1:29:00] Trustee Elliott: in the boardroom at the ILS Trust Office. And we do have that was cool. We do have waiting

[1:29:07] Trustee Elliott: lists though. And we do have people that are mentioning that they're on the night.

[1:29:11] Trustee Elliott: I think I sent you a note late last night. Sorry, because you did ask us about

[1:29:16] Trustee Elliott: Yes, I thought about that, yeah, because there's ways we could pay them that a bit.

[1:29:22] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, totally. Yeah, we can adjust. Yeah.

[1:29:27] Trustee Elliott: Um, yeah, so that's a bit of the background.

[1:29:29] Trustee Elliott: And that's, yeah, so we, the next steps here are, you know, we've got our, we've got a special meeting.

[1:29:39] Trustee Elliott: I think it's on the 22nd of May to review the water and the environment, what came out

[1:29:49] Trustee Elliott: of the focus groups.

[1:29:50] Trustee Elliott: And I'm also including what's coming out of the survey at that meeting.

[1:29:54] Trustee Elliott: Um, so after that, um...

[1:30:00] Trustee Elliott: the plan, the idea in our heads, at least,

[1:30:03] Trustee Elliott: that we need to make sure that you guys are supporting,

[1:30:08] Trustee Elliott: that we will bring, we will revise each one of those

[1:30:15] Trustee Elliott: topic area policies, goals, and objectives,

[1:30:19] Trustee Elliott: and bring them back to you to sort of endorse

[1:30:24] Trustee Elliott: to put out for further engagement.

[1:30:26] Trustee Elliott: engagement. So when I've sketched out two options, the four options kind of fit in two

[1:30:35] Trustee Elliott: buckets. One is that process that I'm talking to you about right now is where we

[1:30:42] Trustee Elliott: collect up everything that we've got. And then, and then, you know, the vision, the

[1:30:49] Trustee Elliott: hope is that by summer, by July, we've got your endorsement in the next iteration to

[1:30:54] Trustee Elliott: to go for public engagement.

[1:30:56] Trustee Elliott: That's option one and two.

[1:30:59] Trustee Elliott: So just pause there for a second.

[1:31:01] Trustee Elliott: So this would not be first meeting.

[1:31:03] Trustee Elliott: No, this would be draft policies.

[1:31:06] Trustee Elliott: So at June LTC meeting, we would review what has,

[1:31:11] Trustee Elliott: you've drafted based on focus groups and the surveys

[1:31:14] Trustee Elliott: and all that information.

[1:31:16] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:31:16] Trustee Elliott: And that would be public engagement through July and August.

[1:31:21] Trustee Elliott: Correct.

[1:31:21] Trustee Elliott: And I would call this draft, draft, draft, draft.

[1:31:25] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:31:26] Trustee Elliott: What we're putting out here is draft, draft, draft.

[1:31:28] Voice 3: So

[1:31:29] Trustee Elliott: this is draft, draft.

[1:31:30] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:31:30] Trustee Elliott: Because at the end of the summer engagement,

[1:31:35] Trustee Elliott: the hope would be that we would gather the additional

[1:31:41] Trustee Elliott: and do another iteration and clean it up.

[1:31:44] Trustee Elliott: And then you're getting what is looking like a full OCP draft.

[1:31:49] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:31:50] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:31:50] Trustee Elliott: And then the next stage of engagement on that before you go to this meeting.

[1:31:55] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:31:56] Trustee Elliott: that's the that's the sort of thinking at this point in time.

[1:31:59] Trustee Elliott: And that's what I sort of tried to sketch out in the timeline here on the page 200, something else.

[1:32:09] I've got it on

[1:32:10] Trustee Elliott: the next. Yeah, that other timeline.

[1:32:15] Trustee Elliott: yeah anyways um so like i said that option one and option two fall in like sort of bucket one

[1:32:22] Trustee Elliott: and options which is that process that i've just explained and option three and four are

[1:32:28] Trustee Elliott: are if you because there was some conversation around more focus groups this and that so um

[1:32:35] Trustee Elliott: option three and four, that's if you want to go out again

[1:32:41] Trustee Elliott: and have another draft before you have a draft.

[1:32:46] Trustee Elliott: And that would extend the timelines significantly.

[1:32:53] Trustee Elliott: And I would also, I would say that I don't think that that,

[1:32:58] Trustee Elliott: I don't know that the value add is that much more

[1:33:02] Trustee Elliott: for that approach.

[1:33:04] Trustee Elliott: so those are the options any questions you have on the options I have a

[1:33:11] Trustee Elliott: question on recommendation number three yeah so you're suggesting schedule of

[1:33:16] Trustee Elliott: community information and there's a word missing their meeting would that be the

[1:33:21] Trustee Elliott: the same as the special meetings we've had on each.

[1:33:27] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so I'm just gonna see what it is.

[1:33:30] Trustee Elliott: About the fresh water, but it's

[1:33:31] Voice 5: not a special meeting.

[1:33:33] Trustee Elliott: Oh, right, that would be this year.

[1:33:35] Trustee Elliott: It's the check.

[1:33:36] Voice 13: As we already have one scheduled for May 22nd, right?

[1:33:40] Trustee Elliott: Well, this would be a community meeting.

[1:33:42] Trustee Elliott: Oh, okay, community information meeting.

[1:33:44] Trustee Elliott: Okay, not the special meeting, okay.

[1:33:46] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, special meeting that is to look at the water.

[1:33:49] Trustee Elliott: probably this would be um yeah so that that um that is and that is also connected to the fresh

[1:33:56] Trustee Elliott: water the gabriel so thanks for bringing that up because i hadn't brought that up yet so

[1:34:03] Trustee Elliott: that's it's a parallel but also integrated

[1:34:07] Voice 3: piece

[1:34:08] Trustee Elliott: of all of this so and today we have

[1:34:12] Trustee Elliott: we have our water focus group the majority of that um of that is focused on the draft

[1:34:19] Trustee Elliott: policies but there's also the footprint work which is happening and so that group will be

[1:34:24] Trustee Elliott: introduced to the footprint work there's going to be three set three different meetings related

[1:34:30] Trustee Elliott: very specifically to the gabriela footprint work uh one that'll be very focused on on water

[1:34:37] Trustee Elliott: monitoring and understanding the water conditions on gabriela beyond the princess

[1:34:42] Trustee Elliott: And then there's, there'll be two other workshops related to the footprint, the Gabriela footprint

[1:34:51] Trustee Elliott: work.

[1:34:52] Trustee Elliott: There's also a separate survey right now related to the Gabriela footprint work.

[1:34:57] Trustee Elliott: And that's, that I think very focused questions around water consumption and water use.

[1:35:03] Trustee Elliott: Doesn't that one end today?

[1:35:06] Trustee Elliott: Does that one not end today?

[1:35:08] Trustee Elliott: The water, I think we extended the deadline on that one too.

[1:35:12] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, to give people more time. I think we extend it to the end of the month.

[1:35:16] Trustee Elliott: That one might be May 1st. It's the OCP one.

[1:35:21] Trustee Elliott: I should

[1:35:22] Trustee Elliott: check that on the website so that we can

[1:35:26] Trustee Elliott: have some further questions.

[1:35:31] Trustee Elliott: Yes, I could start us off. So because we haven't

[1:35:35] Trustee Elliott: met in a formal way, but we've had these focused special meetings

[1:35:39] Trustee Elliott: and then Susan and I have drop-in sessions.

[1:35:42] Trustee Elliott: and I've been meeting with other community members

[1:35:45] Trustee Elliott: just to hear their input.

[1:35:48] Trustee Elliott: The process is still a challenge for some people to engage.

[1:35:55] Trustee Elliott: And I would identify at least three things

[1:35:58] Trustee Elliott: that we're going to have to figure out.

[1:36:01] Trustee Elliott: Survey fatigue and the Healthcare Foundation

[1:36:04] Trustee Elliott: is going to do more engagement this summer.

[1:36:07] Trustee Elliott: I'm struggling to get the survey link to people

[1:36:11] Trustee Elliott: and just people just don't know that this project is even happening despite

[1:36:16] Trustee Elliott: all the ads despite that we've been talking about it for two years so survey

[1:36:21] Trustee Elliott: fatigue I don't want to do another survey but there's going there is a

[1:36:29] Trustee Elliott: demonstrated need for more more time to review the documents before we get to

[1:36:42] Trustee Elliott: drafting policies. And so I'm going to try to strike a middle ground between your option

[1:36:48] Trustee Elliott: one, two bucket and three, four buckets, which borrow something from both. We need to see,

[1:36:57] Trustee Elliott: I think community members need to see something written to give feedback on. The focus groups

[1:37:03] Trustee Elliott: are great for generating new information. What do we not know that the community can

[1:37:08] Trustee Elliott: can tell us and that's great on specific topics on specific topics but to have let's have more

[1:37:17] Trustee Elliott: focus group meetings in different combinations i think is going to confuse everything because

[1:37:23] Trustee Elliott: people don't know what they're giving feedback on it's not there's not yet a draft to give

[1:37:29] Trustee Elliott: any constructive comments so i'm not in favor of more focus group meetings although we did talk in

[1:37:36] Trustee Elliott: our last special meeting about um i had this little idea well we should have the focus groups

[1:37:42] Trustee Elliott: like transportation group or the connectivity group with the housing group put you know those

[1:37:48] Trustee Elliott: two together and have a bigger meeting and y'all you know talk about those issues in in where

[1:37:54] Trustee Elliott: there's competing interests right figure out at the nexus if they can come up with solutions but

[1:37:59] Trustee Elliott: i think that's asking too much you need a great facilitator you need a lot more project budget

[1:38:04] Trustee Elliott: and that's more stuff more stuff so not in favor of that but I think we need to

[1:38:13] Trustee Elliott: a little more time for some more input or a pathway that's quite clear for

[1:38:21] Trustee Elliott: community engagement in the summertime what I'd like to see if we could work

[1:38:25] Trustee Elliott: towards is one facilitated meeting not so much a community information meeting

[1:38:31] Trustee Elliott: but more like an engaging design charrette type thing well no I know design charrettes are very

[1:38:38] Trustee Elliott: specific tools but the issue of growth management and housing is still going to be the most

[1:38:47] Trustee Elliott: we've got two very different poles and we've got what I'm hearing is there's two groups in total

[1:38:55] Trustee Elliott: silos who are not talking to one another and just as every single week I meet people who are

[1:39:04] Trustee Elliott: we desperately need housing solutions we want to live together in community we want to develop

[1:39:10] Trustee Elliott: farming and co-own land and we've got letters in in the project um correspondence right now

[1:39:17] Trustee Elliott: and then we've got people that are like we cannot handle more growth it's very concerned about the

[1:39:23] Trustee Elliott: environment we need to not have any more housing and those two are not even they're not in

[1:39:29] Trustee Elliott: conversation and frankly this it's not a safe space to necessarily bring people in unless we

[1:39:34] Trustee Elliott: make it um a good space to to bring out those different views and values so i would love to see

[1:39:46] Trustee Elliott: not a community information meeting but how do we bring these two elements together to have a

[1:39:52] Trustee Elliott: constructive conversation and could we put some project budget towards that in i don't know what

[1:40:02] Trustee Elliott: the timeline would be and maybe we just need to consider it um do you know what i mean susan like

[1:40:11] Trustee Elliott: yeah well i'm just thinking is this one too specific because this one focuses on fresh

[1:40:16] Trustee Elliott: water for some private yeah well that's that so just integrate the front water project needs that

[1:40:24] Trustee Elliott: meeting yeah i know um so and that's so the fresh water that's to present so that meeting is to

[1:40:30] Trustee Elliott: present the outcomes of the fresh water project yeah

[1:40:33] Trustee Elliott: so it's it's it's more of a it's a community

[1:40:35] Trustee Elliott: information meeting as opposed to a discussion yeah that's just uh here's the here's the project

[1:40:40] Trustee Elliott: outcomes what what questions do you have so we need one more meeting i don't know if we need

[1:40:47] Trustee Elliott: one more but the other thing we heard at the ocp drop-in is um people want a place to come

[1:40:55] Trustee Elliott: together in the traditional town hall type thing and talk to one another so they've been talking to

[1:41:01] Trustee Elliott: to a few focus groups talking to staff pulling that information bring it to the ltc and then we

[1:41:08] Trustee Elliott: be discussed but can we facilitate a space where folks who are at those different ends of the

[1:41:18] Trustee Elliott: spectrum and are just not able to see the because I worry that we're going to get to a

[1:41:25] Trustee Elliott: a point where there's going to be a digging in so you want this before the first draft

[1:41:33] Trustee Elliott: I'm just airing out I know because I think

[1:41:37] Trustee Elliott: about that a lot because some people I talk to say just

[1:41:40] Trustee Elliott: give us the first draft so we have something to chew on yeah you know and then other people say

[1:41:45] Trustee Elliott: well we're not ready for the first draft well i wanted to ask you kind of what what is the

[1:41:49] Trustee Elliott: you're you're going to create sort of a draft tell us what the draft is exactly you're talking

[1:41:55] Trustee Elliott: about yeah like the draft doesn't it's something to look at very specific it's not it's not it's

[1:42:02] Trustee Elliott: not gonna it's in sections the sections may be may interweave in the final right so uh the draft

[1:42:09] Trustee Elliott: draft provides the so it's basically housing here's the housing here's the housing related

[1:42:14] Trustee Elliott: policies uh you know uh water water related policies in the draft those are going to be

[1:42:22] Trustee Elliott: more integrated there's going to be a little bit more language around it that sort of thing so

[1:42:26] Trustee Elliott: so that's the more completed thing but i but i think the draft graph is though is something that

[1:42:33] Trustee Elliott: that folks can sink their teeth in it has goals

[1:42:36] Trustee Elliott: it has objectives and it has policies

[1:42:39] Trustee Elliott: that's similar to what they did

[1:42:41] Trustee Elliott: at Gambier

[1:42:45] Trustee Elliott: I'm hearing you

[1:42:46] Trustee Elliott: because we have the same challenge

[1:42:48] Trustee Elliott: doing the same thing

[1:42:50] Trustee Elliott: one is I think the draft draft

[1:42:52] Trustee Elliott: if you call it that

[1:42:54] Trustee Elliott: we just went through the same Gambier

[1:42:56] Trustee Elliott: where we had a draft draft in front of us

[1:42:59] Trustee Elliott: all of us know the difference

[1:43:00] Trustee Elliott: between this and a bylaw

[1:43:02] Trustee Elliott: but the public does not

[1:43:04] Voice 14: and

[1:43:04] Trustee Elliott: so I think it's got to be

[1:43:06] Trustee Elliott: very clear that

[1:43:08] Trustee Elliott: that they understand what they're, that this is not,

[1:43:11] Trustee Elliott: we're not about to make a decision.

[1:43:12] Trustee Elliott: This is not in a bylaw language.

[1:43:14] Trustee Elliott: It doesn't look like a bylaw, it's for conversation.

[1:43:18] Trustee Elliott: And I think a little bit more work needs to be done

[1:43:21] Trustee Elliott: because that was the missing piece here

[1:43:23] Trustee Elliott: was really that context piece.

[1:43:24] Trustee Elliott: What is this?

[1:43:25] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:43:25] Voice 3: And

[1:43:26] Trustee Elliott: how it's going to be used to get to the next step,

[1:43:30] Trustee Elliott: which will be eventually into bylaw type language.

[1:43:34] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:43:34] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so I didn't have a community orientation meeting on here.

[1:43:39] Trustee Elliott: The purpose of that was exactly that, to identify the next process.

[1:43:45] Trustee Elliott: This is what we're engaging in this process.

[1:43:48] Trustee Elliott: And this is how these related files sort of thing.

[1:43:51] Trustee Elliott: So I think that is sort of captured here, maybe not clear enough.

[1:43:55] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I think it's anytime something's printed that's going to be consumed.

[1:43:59] Trustee Elliott: I think having that little narrative at the beginning to always put it into

[1:44:04] Trustee Elliott: the context helps people understand because like I said we know the difference but nobody else does

[1:44:09] Trustee Elliott: they think you're about to approve this um yeah I'm afraid that's exactly I like the idea because

[1:44:17] Trustee Elliott: it is not a violent it's safe this is about we're inviting communications in an area this

[1:44:23] Trustee Elliott: isn't first reading this is just a white paper to be quite frank um it's not about

[1:44:29] Trustee Elliott: I don't really know where those come from.

[1:44:32] Trustee Elliott: So, okay, yeah.

[1:44:34] Trustee Elliott: But how do you bring them?

[1:44:38] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so I'm hearing a couple of things here.

[1:44:40] Trustee Elliott: I'm hearing support for the idea,

[1:44:44] Trustee Elliott: like I said, I may not have been clear enough here,

[1:44:47] Trustee Elliott: but that was one of the ideas for each one of these options

[1:44:50] Trustee Elliott: would include a community orientation to the process.

[1:44:54] Trustee Elliott: What I'm hearing is that the in-person,

[1:44:57] Trustee Elliott: people want to be brought together. So an orientation to the process together is maybe as a physical meeting is probably better, potentially better than Zoom.

[1:45:10] Trustee Elliott: I'll make that call. But then there's another aspect that Trustee Elliott raised, which it seems like there's a very clear topic for conversation.

[1:45:24] Trustee Elliott: is that correct one that maybe we need to have a much a focused facilitated conversation right

[1:45:31] Trustee Elliott: yeah and if i could expand on that it's it's very hard for people who are not and i'm new to

[1:45:40] Trustee Elliott: creating violence right so it has been an incredible challenge to learn the connection

[1:45:46] Trustee Elliott: with the policy statement and those policies with our ocp and then bylaws and how does that work out

[1:45:52] Trustee Elliott: to your lot level uh plan so this is very abstract for most people it's really hard to understand how

[1:46:01] Trustee Elliott: it's going to impact your life and your property and so we're kind of talking in these abstractive

[1:46:07] Trustee Elliott: circles until we have something to speak our creativity and forward thinking brains into

[1:46:17] Trustee Elliott: And so when I go to design Charette, what I would envision is not a Charette about, it's what would responsible, sustainable growth management strategies look like on particular lots that are interested in developing housing with an environmental co-ownership model?

[1:46:45] Trustee Elliott: because i've been asked this four times in the last two weeks and there's specific property

[1:46:53] Trustee Elliott: owners who are like we've got four people who want to get together and we're going to buy a

[1:46:58] Trustee Elliott: piece of land we're going to live together but there's no way we can all be housed in this

[1:47:03] Trustee Elliott: current environment but these values of farming together and living together and and with the

[1:47:10] Trustee Elliott: heightened cost of groceries the cost of living expensive ferries people that people who in our

[1:47:16] Trustee Elliott: are in the fire department people who are paramedics they are not able to find a place to

[1:47:22] Trustee Elliott: live if you have to buy land so what i'd love to see is those people that are willing to say hey

[1:47:28] Trustee Elliott: we've got an idea for specific property how this could work and yet the regulations are not

[1:47:33] Trustee Elliott: going to allow it can we have a meeting where we can workshop those kind of things what would

[1:47:40] Trustee Elliott: clustering look like what would a pilot project to allow multiple homes with certain you know

[1:47:46] Trustee Elliott: environmental offsets and considerations or covenants on protected areas right all the

[1:47:52] Trustee Elliott: different ranges that folks are have been talking to themselves and each other but it's hard to

[1:48:00] Trustee Elliott: that that could bring it into the realm of reality like what are we actually talking about

[1:48:05] Trustee Elliott: okay we need to have water for 10 people on a lot instead of two what does that look like

[1:48:12] Trustee Elliott: How does that affect your, those, the water sustainability policies, for instance?

[1:48:19] Trustee Elliott: And, you know, the big issue for me always comes down to the footprint on the land.

[1:48:25] Trustee Elliott: So it's about how much of that land is being used for human purposes, how much can be put

[1:48:32] Trustee Elliott: in a size.

[1:48:33] Trustee Elliott: So instead of like a 4,000 square foot, you know, mansion, what if you had four smaller

[1:48:40] Trustee Elliott: homes probably using less resources not for sure like infrastructure driveways

[1:48:45] Trustee Elliott: power poles all that kind of stuff so

[1:48:47] Trustee Elliott: it's about the total impact on the

[1:48:50] Trustee Elliott: environment and a lot of it has to do with lot coverage floor area ratio that

[1:48:56] Trustee Elliott: kind of thing those are the things that give

[1:48:58] Voice 13: you flexibility in my mind anyway

[1:49:02] Voice 13: and

[1:49:03] Trustee Elliott: if you talk to anyone from the Gabriel the Land Stewards Society they're

[1:49:06] Trustee Elliott: working on those sorts of things too that's the one question that is i think going to cause the

[1:49:13] Trustee Elliott: most pain and discomfort and where i think the community needs to come together and have a

[1:49:19] Trustee Elliott: constructive conversation but i want it to be constructive and not so so is this more i'm just

[1:49:27] Trustee Elliott: we're just conversing this here um so that would this be more of a themed kind of

[1:49:35] Trustee Elliott: event i'm gonna call it an event that we're gathering

[1:49:38] Voice 3: um

[1:49:39] Trustee Elliott: on maybe the different form so

[1:49:43] Trustee Elliott: we all know what a single family home looks like uh would this be looking at the other options that

[1:49:48] Trustee Elliott: you would be contemplating in this ocp so and maybe it's sort of what does that how does that

[1:49:53] Trustee Elliott: go from idea to what to reality type of thing and so that it's a conversation about because that

[1:50:03] Trustee Elliott: does integrate the water and integrates all the issues would be allowed in different types of

[1:50:10] Trustee Elliott: residential zones and and we have three or four community members that i would scope and draw

[1:50:16] Trustee Elliott: something out and let's have that conversation in community if there's a willingness right it

[1:50:24] Trustee Elliott: we can't drive it but i think the desire is there to have practical conversations of what this

[1:50:30] Trustee Elliott: actually looks like

[1:50:31] Voice 3: yes

[1:50:32] Trustee Elliott: because that would to me a part of the conversation is also to expose

[1:50:35] Trustee Elliott: the concerns and you know some flexible housing if you went to go to main island to look at

[1:50:41] Trustee Elliott: um you know this is how it was dealt with on main island you know so that might might help alleviate

[1:50:46] Trustee Elliott: the fears of those examples not enough water well this was the approach that we took on i mean so

[1:50:51] Trustee Elliott: there could be ways of you know hearing and exposing the concern yeah and

[1:50:56] Trustee Elliott: then trying to

[1:50:57] Trustee Elliott: make sure it's been addressed yeah in theory i think i think it's a great idea honestly because

[1:51:06] Trustee Elliott: this is the thing you want you want to be you want the concerns to come out before the draft

[1:51:10] Trustee Elliott: is out and then you know you know this is a challenge and um and i mean this is very similar

[1:51:19] Trustee Elliott: to the kind of conversation that uh denman used to have as well same kind of um interests uh around

[1:51:29] Trustee Elliott: this kind of development yeah um and uh uh and you know it ties into again you know what is what is

[1:51:37] Trustee Elliott: the vision because the the thing is that those who are opposing each other their values may actually

[1:51:44] Trustee Elliott: be the same yeah but i can tell you they are i think you know we i at least i've not run into

[1:51:51] Trustee Elliott: anyone saying oh let's solve the housing crisis and destroy the environment um i think it i think

[1:51:56] Trustee Elliott: generally i think people would find they're closer together than they would believe and that this is

[1:52:02] Trustee Elliott: just recognizing that you know the single family house is not the only option that's available

[1:52:08] Trustee Elliott: today so how do we accommodate these other options and what do what what did

[1:52:13] Trustee Elliott: they create for concerns and fears and how do the bylaws now address those

[1:52:19] Trustee Elliott: concerns and fears so yeah yeah yeah yeah I think I think it makes a lot of

[1:52:24] Trustee Elliott: sense so the general theme of such a meeting would be something like limits

[1:52:32] Voice 13: the limits to growth, the human impact on the land.

[1:52:37] Trustee Elliott: Well, what are ideal models for housing people

[1:52:41] Trustee Elliott: in a

[1:52:43] Trustee Elliott: sustainable way?

[1:52:45] Trustee Elliott: And not using that word sustainable lightly,

[1:52:48] Trustee Elliott: I really do mean sustainable.

[1:52:50] Trustee Elliott: Like growth management

[1:52:51] Trustee Elliott: and responsible housing development,

[1:52:54] Trustee Elliott: I think would be-

[1:52:56] Trustee Elliott: That

[1:52:56] Voice 13: would be good.

[1:52:57] Trustee Elliott: I'll talk more about that.

[1:52:58] Trustee Elliott: We've talked about the more softer-

[1:53:01] Trustee Elliott: words that make sense yeah but uh but yeah and uh i mean i think what we could what could happen

[1:53:09] Trustee Elliott: is we have a two-part thing where uh part one is what is the system what is the process what are

[1:53:16] Trustee Elliott: we doing yeah um and then and then part two is this is a theme that we want yeah i see that and

[1:53:25] Trustee Elliott: i see one of the biggest questions you ask right up front is what are your fears yes what are your

[1:53:31] Trustee Elliott: hopes yeah yeah yeah and when it's

[1:53:32] Trustee Elliott: your vision yeah well you're still stuck on the fear yeah

[1:53:35] Trustee Elliott: no

[1:53:36] Voice 13: no no hope is hope like whatever

[1:53:38] Trustee Elliott: well i think the vision but the fears are different based on

[1:53:42] Trustee Elliott: its type so if you're talking about flexible housing where you have a maximum like main

[1:53:47] Trustee Elliott: did you have a maximum square footage and we want to give you the options to

[1:53:51] Trustee Elliott: divide that up in a different way so that creates its own questions there versus if you're looking

[1:53:57] Trustee Elliott: at accessory dwelling units that that you know how is that different you know so people people

[1:54:02] Trustee Elliott: do look at them very differently and i think it's having there's different

[1:54:05] Trustee Elliott: questions i mean also you

[1:54:06] Trustee Elliott: have a density uh bank here that's not used and that may be a question as well right so yeah that

[1:54:11] Trustee Elliott: could be there are i think there are there are probably a number of categories of of discussion

[1:54:18] Trustee Elliott: within the same theme so one final thought so you talked about sort of a two-part not a bent

[1:54:35] Trustee Elliott: but engagement you know what are we doing and where is this going and all of that is

[1:54:42] Trustee Elliott: that's definitely necessary what if there was a call out or um based on the community's needs

[1:54:48] Trustee Elliott: today and into the future what is a what is the most innovative uh environmentally responsible

[1:54:56] Trustee Elliott: design for housing that you can think of as a pitch for housing and environmental sustainability

[1:55:06] Trustee Elliott: and the people who want to come forward who have those ideas and say i want to put my idea forward

[1:55:11] Trustee Elliott: forward. And

[1:55:13] Trustee Elliott: then we have a discussion as a community and actually look at that and go,

[1:55:17] Trustee Elliott: okay, well, what are the, what are the issues with requiring rainwater catchment on all new

[1:55:21] Trustee Elliott: builds? Okay. Increased trucking, or you've got to require there's a certain amount for your

[1:55:26] Trustee Elliott: domestic, like workshopping the actual problems. And from that, you could also have pilot projects

[1:55:33] Trustee Elliott: of people if those zones were then put into the OCP that becomes a zone that can be drawn down

[1:55:42] Trustee Elliott: on actual properties because the people are already thinking about how to develop sustainably

[1:55:49] Trustee Elliott: and care for communities into the future this is exactly what people did on Gabriel in the 40s and

[1:55:55] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, the 16th and 17th introduced some examples like Coho on Denman, for example, which is that model of

[1:56:05] Trustee Elliott: curating and co-ownership.

[1:56:11] Trustee Elliott: I can almost imagine, I don't know if you have, I think you could do it almost in that,

[1:56:16] Trustee Elliott: because there's only so many ways, there's only so many options really of sort of drawing out from

[1:56:22] Trustee Elliott: you know one piece of paper sort of represents a property where you have one single house you

[1:56:29] Trustee Elliott: have one with a single house with an accessory dwelling one that's now you know you draw them

[1:56:33] Trustee Elliott: out and uh pictures always help me i know probably help others uh then you can converse about about

[1:56:41] Trustee Elliott: that and you can then look at cumulative impact okay so if five lots on gabriel were able to have

[1:56:48] Trustee Elliott: an increased number of dwellings what are those implications right you could talk about

[1:56:53] Trustee Elliott: implications if you can talk see the whole picture and see all of those different options and i think

[1:56:59] Trustee Elliott: that the conversation this community is anxious to have because of all that worry about scarcity

[1:57:05] Trustee Elliott: and groundwater there's not enough for everybody we need to get into the particulars what does

[1:57:10] Trustee Elliott: this actually mean well if you're looking at multiple cluster homes how many lots how much

[1:57:17] Trustee Elliott: much can the island resources sustain or what do you need to put in place and maybe it's not

[1:57:23] Trustee Elliott: possible like that would be there may be other choices that you need to make to there's a lot

[1:57:28] Trustee Elliott: of that exactly right so so i'm sorry to to take this over as a last minute thing but i've just

[1:57:34] Trustee Elliott: been so struck with the two ends of the spectrum and they're just not in the same room together

[1:57:41] Trustee Elliott: other and I think for this process to be successful there needs to be some and six thousand dollars

[1:57:47] Trustee Elliott: could potentially be put towards that if we've got that for communications that's for the whole year

[1:57:54] Trustee Elliott: oh so how do you see we have nothing then oh my gosh so if you're working off of the option one

[1:58:02] Trustee Elliott: how do you see that modified then um yeah so if you're looking at often so basically that would

[1:58:09] Trustee Elliott: you'd be adding this workshop.

[1:58:12] Trustee Elliott: And so the consideration here is,

[1:58:15] Trustee Elliott: I think, for something like that to be really successful,

[1:58:18] Trustee Elliott: it is a chunk of staff time.

[1:58:20] Trustee Elliott: So it does mean that there may be a little bit of,

[1:58:24] Trustee Elliott: you know, I've identified whenever additional staff time is needed,

[1:58:28] Trustee Elliott: there is impacts on other projects because we follow other projects.

[1:58:33] Trustee Elliott: But, but this is,

[1:58:36] Trustee Elliott: this is something that, I mean,

[1:58:37] Trustee Elliott: it feels like it's either you put the time in now or you put time in later right because if this is

[1:58:45] Trustee Elliott: something that you're feeling may blow up towards the end of the process uh then you may you may be

[1:58:52] Trustee Elliott: having to do more work so i think it it feels like it is something that we can kind of explore

[1:58:59] Trustee Elliott: um and and look at um what kind of resources whether we need to really i don't know somebody

[1:59:06] Trustee Elliott: had to facilitate or um i'm not sure we may be able to do it like i i think it i think it's

[1:59:12] Trustee Elliott: something that we would be able to design um ourselves um as well it just will take you know

[1:59:20] Trustee Elliott: it will take a a bit of time to do it well well you mentioned denman and i think salt springs

[1:59:26] Trustee Elliott: right on the heels here i think similar like i said there's only so many options to the single

[1:59:32] Trustee Elliott: family home so yes some of the investment of the background preparation for such a conversation

[1:59:39] Trustee Elliott: could be shared across multiple that's a very good point because that's the advantage of me

[1:59:43] Trustee Elliott: like i'm working on the denman project you're not thinking oh yeah this is something we could be

[1:59:48] Trustee Elliott: doing for both so it's it and then salt spring as well and then there may be other islands

[1:59:53] Trustee Elliott: so yeah i mean i think it it's sounding like a fairly critical um

[2:00:00] Trustee Elliott: need for i don't

[2:00:01] Voice 13: know oh yeah yeah so

[2:00:03] Trustee Elliott: so so the way that it would coming back to your question

[2:00:06] Trustee Elliott: uh chair is uh it would it would just be it would be another task within all of those which would

[2:00:13] Trustee Elliott: be and that would come and i think there would be value in that happening before uh summer engagement

[2:00:20] Trustee Elliott: okay uh so which is definitely closed so june yeah you're running out of yeah

[2:00:27] Trustee Elliott: so that would be

[2:00:28] Trustee Elliott: taking your

[2:00:30] Trustee Elliott: drawing there on page

[2:00:32] Trustee Elliott: two of mine

[2:00:35] Trustee Elliott: option one or two there and adding another

[2:00:37] Trustee Elliott: segment to the beginning

[2:00:39] Trustee Elliott: so

[2:00:41] Voice 13: we can probably go

[2:00:42] Trustee Elliott: ahead with the three recommendations

[2:00:43] Trustee Elliott: but add one more

[2:00:45] Trustee Elliott: yeah so I think maybe it's an amendment

[2:00:47] Trustee Elliott: to over the recommendations

[2:00:49] Trustee Elliott: and that would be

[2:00:51] Trustee Elliott: you

[2:00:55] Trustee Elliott: well yes if you want to go with option

[2:00:58] Trustee Elliott: one so that's a straightforward uh so again i think i think where you're going is you're going

[2:01:03] Trustee Elliott: with option one or two like in terms of the process um and you're popping this one in the

[2:01:08] Trustee Elliott: option so the difference between option one and two is that there was discussion at the previous

[2:01:12] Trustee Elliott: meeting about um running group funding um if you wanted to proceed with that that would take money

[2:01:20] Trustee Elliott: away from i think groups can organize themselves i know certainly the dpa group has certainly done

[2:01:27] Trustee Elliott: that I'm sure the water group has done I know the water group's done that um so that will leave us

[2:01:33] Trustee Elliott: with a little bit more money to do you know that one really important meeting and yeah they'll

[2:01:39] Trustee Elliott: pretty much stay on schedule I think so I think pretty much I mean we'll we'll have to see in

[2:01:46] Trustee Elliott: terms of scheduling the meeting but um so we're looking at two different meetings though still

[2:01:52] Trustee Elliott: This was

[2:01:53] Trustee Elliott: my question to you. Are you looking at two different meetings at two separate times or are you looking at one day where you have the logistics we can kind of have a conversation about?

[2:02:06] Trustee Elliott: out do we still need a meeting to say to the community here's the process here's where we're at

[2:02:13] Trustee Elliott: maybe using the community information document i'm sorry whatever that is to sort of say here

[2:02:21] Trustee Elliott: here's who we are um this is a new thing and then set that up for um you know in a month's time

[2:02:31] Trustee Elliott: we'll be having a community information meeting specifically about i'd be good

[2:02:35] Trustee Elliott: good throw ahead with this meeting and you know growth management and we want your ideas so people

[2:02:41] Trustee Elliott: who are talking to your trustees about different ways of developing or the housing need is there

[2:02:49] Trustee Elliott: and people who frankly want to see degrowth and less uh development and less right so yeah so

[2:02:59] Trustee Elliott: for this proposal like what do you think and let's have this constructive conversation

[2:03:03] Trustee Elliott: And I would say sometime before, oh, I have to do it early for July.

[2:03:08] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so I'm just thinking, it doesn't matter if this happens, when this happens.

[2:03:13] Trustee Elliott: Like, I

[2:03:13] Trustee Elliott: mean, it matters that it happens before the middle of August.

[2:03:18] Trustee Elliott: But it could happen in, I think July is probably more realistic in terms of timing.

[2:03:25] Trustee Elliott: I mean, there's also a holiday schedule.

[2:03:28] Trustee Elliott: It won't be good. If you have a draft-draft set of policies for June, like we still need for draft-draft, but there's still going to be this significant event where we are going to get community members to come and give their input in a meaningful way.

[2:03:45] Trustee Elliott: that also signals that draft draft policies are not final right that we're nowhere near first

[2:03:51] Trustee Elliott: reading we're still we still have lots of time for that constructive conversation and depending

[2:03:56] Trustee Elliott: on that we can get to drafting bylaw writing through fall and into november i think i think

[2:04:03] Trustee Elliott: it's possible that would work i think it's possible yeah i think um um um i think what

[2:04:12] Trustee Elliott: we're looking so i think it's possible to stay within the timeline and add that in into the um

[2:04:19] Trustee Elliott: the process okay um and so what i'm thinking uh so yeah going into the engagement option

[2:04:27] Trustee Elliott: you know engagement which includes this yeah this this um this extra piece yeah so

[2:04:35] Trustee Elliott: you'd still be

[2:04:36] Trustee Elliott: having your union meeting which is like laying it all out and then inviting maybe the timing is such

[2:04:41] Trustee Elliott: that there's enough time where that invites people to provide proposals for the insulated age and

[2:04:47] Trustee Elliott: have that conversation so i'm seeing it as an amendment to recommendation one so let's proceed

[2:04:51] Trustee Elliott: with option one um uh to include uh with the addition of a focused meeting on housing and

[2:05:01] Trustee Elliott: growth management or however you want yeah i like that housing grows management so it'd be

[2:05:06] Trustee Elliott: do you want us to be posing options and yeah so would you come back with options for more

[2:05:16] Trustee Elliott: community engagement or we could just ask you to develop a plan for further community engagement

[2:05:21] Trustee Elliott: in summer 2025 to invite proposals for how they or is it a focus maybe not yeah options and growth

[2:05:35] Trustee Elliott: management if you want so so amendment i meant if you meant number one and then you could have

[2:05:40] Trustee Elliott: a second you can you could have a second recommendation it's very with a very specific

[2:05:44] Trustee Elliott: asked for staff to come back with options for that engagement and that's where i can come back with

[2:05:50] Trustee Elliott: you know it could look like this or it could look like this i'm just going to suggest that we

[2:05:55] Trustee Elliott: actually go ahead with recommendation number three first because we do want to have a follow-up

[2:06:01] Trustee Elliott: meeting with a freshwater footprint you know because we've had them after every focus group

[2:06:07] Trustee Elliott: and it's been great um so i'm just going to suggest we start with that one

[2:06:12] Trustee Elliott: yeah i'm working on another one okay good so well let's start with this one i move that the gabriella

[2:06:19] Trustee Elliott: on the local plus committee direct staff to schedule a community information meeting to

[2:06:24] Trustee Elliott: share the outcomes of the gabriola freshwater footprint project second second by trustee elliott

[2:06:30] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[2:06:33] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[2:06:35] Trustee Elliott: The first recommendation says to proceed with option one.

[2:06:43] Trustee Elliott: We're going to amend that with the addition of a community meeting,

[2:06:48] Trustee Elliott: not information meeting, but an actual community meeting.

[2:06:51] Trustee Elliott: And we

[2:06:52] Voice 13: want that to be facilitated.

[2:06:57] Trustee Elliott: The second

[2:06:58] Trustee Elliott: question will be for them to come back with options.

[2:06:59] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so the wording that I have for the, and I just do a separate resolution for staff to develop options for further community engagement in summer 2025 for a focused meeting on housing options.

[2:07:16] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so

[2:07:16] Trustee Elliott: that leaves it open. We can get budget for facilitation.

[2:07:21] Trustee Elliott: Let's do that one next.

[2:07:22] Trustee Elliott: As proposals. Yeah, so we'll do the, you still want to go with option one, which is, yeah.

[2:07:28] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so we're still going to see these draft, draft proposals come out, but we'll do some more work with community before we get too frustrating for sure.

[2:07:42] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so, okay, I'm just making it clear in my own head here.

[2:07:46] Trustee Elliott: So you're going to go with recommendation one with the amendment and then a separate one.

[2:07:51] Trustee Elliott: so if you put a separate one because i'm thinking it would be what i would like to do is go away

[2:07:56] Trustee Elliott: take some time and think about what that workshop looks like what the budget would look like

[2:08:00] Trustee Elliott: and all of that sort of thing yeah um so that would be the second and and we hopefully will

[2:08:07] Trustee Elliott: have our consulting team for salt spring so you might know you know their lines for uh

[2:08:13] Trustee Elliott: how this looks like because we're going to do something very similar

[2:08:17] Voice 13: do you still need us to do recommendation number two at this point i

[2:08:22] Trustee Elliott: do because we provide

[2:08:25] Trustee Elliott: the the project charter was revised so just that that's just so that we can

[2:08:32] Trustee Elliott: you know we're all in the same age let's leave that one for right now so um we understand what

[2:08:44] Trustee Elliott: we're doing yeah so a lot of fun the first one to reference the additional meeting we've got a new

[2:08:49] Trustee Elliott: one about asking them to do the options yeah

[2:08:52] Voice 13: okay so i

[2:08:54] Voice 13: don't i can go ahead with maybe number one

[2:08:56] Voice 13: sure as submitted

[2:08:58] Voice 13: i move that the gabriel island local plus committee direct staff to proceed with

[2:09:02] Voice 13: option one community review existing draft policies as the next step in the community

[2:09:08] Voice 13: engagement process for the ocp with the addition of a

[2:09:13] Trustee Elliott: community meeting on housing options and

[2:09:17] Trustee Elliott: growth management. Could we just change meeting to a workshop? Sure yeah with the addition of a

[2:09:23] Trustee Elliott: community workshop or as long as it's facilitated. I think staff or but we need to direct staff to

[2:09:32] Trustee Elliott: come up with options.

[2:09:33] Voice 13: That's like our next next motion. What was it? Yeah

[2:09:35] Trustee Elliott: oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

[2:09:36] Trustee Elliott: thanks. I'm gonna

[2:09:36] Trustee Elliott: make a second motion. Gotcha. So I'm looking

[2:09:39] Trustee Elliott: for a workshop. Actually no you're

[2:09:41] Trustee Elliott: right community meetings. That's fine. I don't know

[2:09:46] Trustee Elliott: Lisa we're staying with

[2:09:47] Trustee Elliott: meeting okay then you want to make the next one okay well we haven't seconded that one yet so

[2:09:52] Trustee Elliott: are we happy with the language we're going to go with meeting with the addition of a community

[2:09:56] Trustee Elliott: meeting yeah housing options housing options yeah thank you all right

[2:10:01] Trustee Elliott: so second by trustee elliott

[2:10:03] Trustee Elliott: any discussion i'll call about all those in favor that carries but now bring a new one i'm asking

[2:10:10] Trustee Elliott: them to go back with options that they gave her a local trust committee request staff to develop

[2:10:16] Trustee Elliott: options for further engagement with the community well it's a

[2:10:28] Trustee Elliott: community meeting

[2:10:34] Trustee Elliott: so I'm to help options for community meeting all that focused on housing

[2:10:40] Trustee Elliott: options and growth management yes 25 yeah do you want to give it a deadline

[2:10:44] Trustee Elliott: mine or yes well June is oh yeah the workshop would be in summer rightfully um just just leave

[2:10:56] Trustee Elliott: it at that and then I can try and I don't have Lisa read that report so thanks so Lisa

[2:11:03] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel a local trust committee request staff to develop options

[2:11:07] Trustee Elliott: for community meeting focused on housing options and growth management

[2:11:16] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, yeah, that's good. That gives us a bit of, all right, is that sound all right?

[2:11:23] Trustee Elliott: Yep. Do you make that motion? I make the motion.

[2:11:25] Trustee Elliott: Section by Trustee Yates. Any discussion? Call the vote then. All those in favor? I'm not too curious.

[2:11:34] Trustee Elliott: Thank

[2:11:35] Voice 3: you. So

[2:11:35] Trustee Elliott: now we have the project charter.

[2:11:46] Trustee Elliott: I'll move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee endorse Revised Project Charter

[2:11:52] Trustee Elliott: for the Gabriel Island Official Community Plan

[2:11:55] Voice 13: and

[2:11:56] Trustee Elliott: Land Use By-law Review Project Phase

[2:11:58] Trustee Elliott: 2.

[2:12:00] Trustee Elliott: So that's seconded.

[2:12:01] Trustee Elliott: Seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[2:12:04] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[2:12:06] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[2:12:08] Trustee Elliott: And that too carries.

[2:12:09] Trustee Elliott: any other questions or housekeeping needs on this project

[2:12:15] Voice 13: yeah

[2:12:17] Trustee Elliott: so so i did say there was three things

[2:12:20] Trustee Elliott: that had come out of our um surveys are i think we're done uh people aren't getting enough

[2:12:27] Trustee Elliott: information about this process and the implications and we've been asked to write articles

[2:12:33] Trustee Elliott: in the sounder and so I checked in with Derek and he'd be happy to have a weekly article so

[2:12:42] Trustee Elliott: just looking for endorsement from the LTC that Trustee Yates and I can work together on on just

[2:12:49] Trustee Elliott: drafting little information pieces um what is an official community plan what's an official

[2:12:54] Trustee Elliott: community plan not some of this is already drafted right there's a lot of we've already

[2:12:59] Trustee Elliott: done a lot of work so these are not my point of view or susan's point of view it's just getting

[2:13:06] Trustee Elliott: some information a very digestible to 300 word article um how does an ocp tie into violence

[2:13:13] Trustee Elliott: trust policy statement comparing approaches to managing density on different islands because

[2:13:18] Trustee Elliott: i chair four other ltcs and you got maine and and south pender with their maximum house size limits

[2:13:24] Trustee Elliott: I could just bring in some of these as examples, water in, water out, what is a water budget.

[2:13:33] Trustee Elliott: So I'm happy to do this, I think it's needed and been asked for and we can do it for free.

[2:13:39] Trustee Elliott: I guess my only caution is that as the draft gets written that we make sure that things

[2:13:47] Voice 11: coordinate, that we don't end up with any things of conflict or intervention, that's

[2:13:52] Voice 11: all.

[2:13:52] Voice 11: So

[2:13:52] Voice 3: we want to improve

[2:13:54] Voice 3: the knowledge.

[2:13:55] Voice 3: We

[2:13:55] Trustee Elliott: need to promote the workshop and such with that as well.

[2:13:58] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:13:59] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[2:14:00] Trustee Elliott: And the only thing that the newspaper asked is that we continue to publish

[2:14:04] Trustee Elliott: notices and pay for

[2:14:06] Trustee Elliott: things as opposed to getting free articles.

[2:14:09] Trustee Elliott: But those are good anyway,

[2:14:11] Trustee Elliott: because they have the logo and they recognize them as official.

[2:14:15] Trustee Elliott: And then lastly, do we want to have more OCP drop-ins?

[2:14:20] Trustee Elliott: and is there i think it's a teeny amount to place an event notice yeah so the

[2:14:25] Trustee Elliott: sounder it really is

[2:14:27] Trustee Elliott: useful for getting people out so yeah we have settled on three two dates at least may yeah

[2:14:33] Trustee Elliott: three options and two probably confirmation dates in may so can we ask for some communications

[2:14:40] Trustee Elliott: budget to put an events listing which i think is just 25 well of course

[2:14:45] Trustee Elliott: we've got communication

[2:14:55] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so you don't.

[2:14:57] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[2:14:57] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[2:14:58] Trustee Elliott: That's good.

[2:14:58] Trustee Elliott: Great.

[2:14:59] Trustee Elliott: May 1st and May 15th are the next ones.

[2:15:01] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[2:15:02] Trustee Elliott: So we're done with those.

[2:15:04] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[2:15:04] Trustee Elliott: I have one quick question.

[2:15:06] Trustee Elliott: It has, it goes way back to the dark sky principles advocacy.

[2:15:11] Trustee Elliott: Right.

[2:15:11] Trustee Elliott: And we know at our last council meeting in March, that, you know, there was a lot of

[2:15:16] Trustee Elliott: we there was a disposition

[2:15:17] Voice 13: of what we were going to do with it as a council but i'm pretty sure we

[2:15:22] Voice 13: already have it somewhere in our big bucket for our ocp is to make some kind of statement in the

[2:15:28] Voice 13: ocp

[2:15:29] Trustee Elliott: yeah we've got uh the dark people uh yeah and family because we did hear from better um

[2:15:36] Trustee Elliott: cermak that you know you there are places where it can be applicable orbit character

[2:15:41] Trustee Elliott: And DPAs and shorelines and docks and commercial and industrial and all that stuff.

[2:15:46] Trustee Elliott: But anyway, wherever we can get it in, it seems important.

[2:15:52] Trustee Elliott: Rusty, so you want to take a break now?

[2:15:55] Trustee Elliott: Just

[2:15:56] Voice 13: a little break.

[2:15:57] Trustee Elliott: I don't want to take more of your time, but there is an item that I was wanting to bring up

[2:16:05] Trustee Elliott: that sort of connects with the delegation that we had earlier.

[2:16:12] Trustee Elliott: And this is the whole question around the integration piece and such.

[2:16:19] Trustee Elliott: And it's something that I've been thinking about a lot.

[2:16:22] Trustee Elliott: And I have, and I was meeting with a representative of the committee

[2:16:30] Trustee Elliott: And there is an opportunity with the OCP to identify these specific plans.

[2:16:41] Trustee Elliott: And then there is an opportunity, we've been talking about the creation of an implementation plan for the OCP.

[2:16:51] Trustee Elliott: But there's something beyond that.

[2:16:53] Trustee Elliott: that and I think you hinted at that in the conversation earlier that there is a gap for

[2:17:02] Trustee Elliott: the islands and and and it's a gap it is that this integration of of all of these plans to

[2:17:12] Trustee Elliott: achieve a vision yes um so I I feel like it would be useful at some point in this process

[2:17:20] Trustee Elliott: process to talk about, or at least have something written down about and something agreed to

[2:17:27] Trustee Elliott: in terms of what the community process could be. And that's something that, with direction,

[2:17:37] Trustee Elliott: I could start to put together what that approach could look like. So that's something that

[2:17:44] Trustee Elliott: you can begin to have some conversation around, the community can have some conversation around

[2:17:49] Trustee Elliott: as we move through this process, it's not something that necessarily, yeah, but again,

[2:17:57] Trustee Elliott: I feel like I need direction from the LTC, and also putting the question out, yeah,

[2:18:03] Trustee Elliott: whether you would like something like that to be.

[2:18:07] Voice 13: Wow, so are you talking about like a preamble to that?

[2:18:10] Trustee Elliott: No, what I'm talking about is the OCP is just a piece of so many other things that go on

[2:18:17] Trustee Elliott: in the community, right?

[2:18:19] Trustee Elliott: Right. So many, I mean, this is a perfect example.

[2:18:22] Trustee Elliott: So there's a lot of help.

[2:18:28] Trustee Elliott: There is, for other local governments,

[2:18:32] Trustee Elliott: we are a special purpose local government.

[2:18:34] Trustee Elliott: We are very special because we don't know,

[2:18:37] Trustee Elliott: the stressors have a lot of authority,

[2:18:39] Trustee Elliott: like our authority is in land use, almost explicitly.

[2:18:44] Trustee Elliott: And so there's a tendency for our OCPs to be cluttered with,

[2:18:48] Trustee Elliott: advocacy policies that help hold no weight right so what I am hoping and encouraging for the

[2:18:55] Trustee Elliott: the Gabriela process is that if there are advocacy policies they are very very specific

[2:19:02] Trustee Elliott: and in some cases they may be able to point very specifically to plans that exist

[2:19:06] Trustee Elliott: out of community organizations but there is a lack of there there is but the where an OCP can

[2:19:16] Trustee Elliott: play a much more holistic role. As a policy document, other communities, it can't here,

[2:19:24] Trustee Elliott: because it is only a piece. We don't have services, we don't have infrastructure. So

[2:19:31] Trustee Elliott: the ability to have much more for that document to play a more integrative role is very,

[2:19:36] Trustee Elliott: very restrictive. So the gap is having, there is a gap, and how you fill that gap is a question,

[2:19:44] Trustee Elliott: and there are some options um that could be thought about but how i feel like that that's

[2:19:49] Trustee Elliott: beyond the scope of the mcd um but it it may be useful to have something that articulates

[2:19:59] Trustee Elliott: the options i was trying to pull it up on my screen but there's not enough bandwidth to get it

[2:20:09] Trustee Elliott: district of Saanich has a how how all the plans connects and it's it's really brilliant because

[2:20:17] Trustee Elliott: it's it does help people in you know one page kind of see yeah how

[2:20:22] Trustee Elliott: do these things all relate

[2:20:24] Trustee Elliott: to one another even municipalities as you were mentioning the OCP has you don't want more in the

[2:20:32] Trustee Elliott: the OCP that belongs there, but yet you have other plans, even in the municipality of servicing

[2:20:38] Trustee Elliott: plans for different types of assets. So they do relate, though, back. So

[2:20:45] Voice 3: having simple

[2:20:47] Trustee Elliott: drawings, I'd rather...

[2:20:49] Trustee Elliott: Yes, so what I'm speaking here is just an articulation of how the OCP fits with other

[2:20:57] Trustee Elliott: other funds in the community. That's, that's something that, that I think, you know, doing

[2:21:05] Trustee Elliott: that work is outside the scope of actually the evidence trust, the way that the evidence

[2:21:12] Trustee Elliott: trust is designed. But it's helpful to map it out. That's what I'm saying. So, so, so

[2:21:18] Trustee Elliott: So if you were to give me direction to identify how the OCP fit, I mean, I guess I can do

[2:21:32] Trustee Elliott: that anyways, but it's just a piece of work.

[2:21:36] Trustee Elliott: And where would you put it?

[2:21:37] Trustee Elliott: connections like where would you put it like no then so all i'm all i'm talking about right now

[2:21:45] Trustee Elliott: is is is um i think it's it's it's part of um the community understanding where the ocp lives

[2:21:53] Trustee Elliott: yeah you know so it's actually that's why i'm coming back to like oh i think it's actually

[2:21:56] Trustee Elliott: part of the community conversation of the community engagement so i've just talked myself

[2:22:01] Trustee Elliott: around in a circle but but it's a really good point and we've been asked about this over and

[2:22:07] Trustee Elliott: and over again where those aspirational values and goals and visions that we articulated community

[2:22:13] Trustee Elliott: articulated with the visioning process do they just disappear and that parking lot uh which and

[2:22:19] Trustee Elliott: which you articulated here's what the alice trust is able to do here's where we can advocate and

[2:22:24] Trustee Elliott: here's what we can do but that bridge to where do all those pieces that we can't do they connect

[2:22:30] Trustee Elliott: somewhere and then mapping that out would be really helpful for the community i'm super happy

[2:22:35] Trustee Elliott: to work with you on that if you need to

[2:22:37] Voice 14: and i think

[2:22:38] Trustee Elliott: i don't think i need direction i think we

[2:22:39] Trustee Elliott: can do that as part of the um we can do that as part of the the community education around those

[2:22:45] Trustee Elliott: right and when we have that meeting um to talk about the other day we can map that out and it

[2:22:51] Trustee Elliott: would be very useful to work with the both of you to kind of map out the different things cool

[2:22:57] Trustee Elliott: thank you yeah for offering that it's really important all right so anything else on the ocp

[2:23:07] Trustee Elliott: to the chair um for clarification is the june 5th uh gabriel's special electronic meeting

[2:23:16] Trustee Elliott: separate from the community information meeting that you just requested

[2:23:19] Trustee Elliott: yes so we need a resolution for that june because no that's better

[2:23:23] Trustee Elliott: that is it that is it okay that's the groundwater that's that's okay okay yeah okay

[2:23:32] Trustee Elliott: make sure we didn't need another resolution yeah that's when we popped in that thank you

[2:23:37] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[2:23:37] Trustee Elliott: So if there's no more, we're gonna take a break here.

[2:23:40] Trustee Elliott: We don't have a lot more to share.

[2:23:42] Trustee Elliott: Is this one o'clock?

[2:23:43] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[2:23:44] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[2:23:45] Trustee Elliott: So we're gonna take a break.

[2:23:47] Trustee Elliott: How much time do you guys want for a break?

[2:23:49] Trustee Elliott: I only need like 10 minutes to each.

[2:23:51] Trustee Elliott: Actually, we've only got-

[2:23:52] Trustee Elliott: We don't have

[2:23:52] Voice 13: a lot of news.

[2:23:54] Trustee Elliott: We could take a five minute break and then finish, okay?

[2:23:58] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, for sure.

[2:23:59] Trustee Elliott: There's a whole lot.

[2:24:00] Trustee Elliott: And

[2:24:00] Voice 3: we just take you over now,

[2:24:01] Trustee Elliott: we've got bylaw enforcement.

[2:24:04] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, that's right.

[2:24:05] Trustee Elliott: Report.

[2:24:05] Trustee Elliott: report. So how much time do you want? Half an

[2:24:09] Trustee Elliott: hour? Okay. 30 minutes. So

[2:24:12] Voice 3: you can break.

[2:24:25] Voice 3: Okay. All right.

[2:24:32] Trustee Elliott: I'm going to call us back to order following our break. And we are now at

[2:24:36] Trustee Elliott: section 11 in the agenda correspondence. So we have a section of correspondence here. Do you

[2:24:43] Trustee Elliott: want to go through them individually or are there any particular correspondence that you'd like to

[2:24:46] Trustee Elliott: address i think we'll want to maybe address 11.2 11 points yes we do maybe 11.4 which is also fine

[2:25:09] Trustee Elliott: okay

[2:25:10] Voice 13: and actually

[2:25:11] Trustee Elliott: 11.1 i just want to comment on the fact that um regarding the southern gulf

[2:25:16] Trustee Elliott: islands forum this letter from elizabeth may is just absolutely amazing and how lucky we are to

[2:25:22] Trustee Elliott: have her working so collaboratively with all these other agencies and bodies in the southern

[2:25:29] Trustee Elliott: government well she's been a wonderful advocate on all the topics we're going to be discussing

[2:25:34] Voice 13: here and she just does not use

[2:25:36] Trustee Elliott: words and i really appreciate that put myself in that so we'll

[2:25:42] Trustee Elliott: receive level 0.1 for duration 0.2 then yeah um so this one it's a timely one because i think

[2:25:53] Trustee Elliott: the community wants to have a conversation about uh the non-enforcement or deferral of enforcement

[2:26:00] Trustee Elliott: on non-conforming dwellings and we'd already asked staff for more for the report that we have today

[2:26:10] Trustee Elliott: so i don't know if consideration of this letter should come with the report but it

[2:26:17] Trustee Elliott: basically articulates

[2:26:21] Trustee Elliott: that

[2:26:24] Trustee Elliott: I don't really quite understand

[2:26:29] Trustee Elliott: the removing of

[2:26:32] Trustee Elliott: Clause 4.2

[2:26:34] Trustee Elliott: simultaneously.

[2:26:40] Trustee Elliott: And actually I wanted to address

[2:26:41] Trustee Elliott: so the letter writer

[2:26:43] Trustee Elliott: who I know is in the

[2:26:46] Trustee Elliott: meeting today, hello.

[2:26:48] Trustee Elliott: So amendments to the bylaw through the OCP

[2:26:49] Trustee Elliott: process are unrelated to the request to

[2:26:51] Trustee Elliott: to resume enforcing the bylaws immediately.

[2:26:54] Trustee Elliott: I think this was in response to what I had replied.

[2:27:00] Trustee Elliott: And so the letter writer might be saying

[2:27:05] Trustee Elliott: the OCP process is a distinct process.

[2:27:07] Trustee Elliott: What I was trying to say was,

[2:27:10] Trustee Elliott: we need to establish more housing options

[2:27:15] Trustee Elliott: so that the current illegal housing options

[2:27:21] Trustee Elliott: that people are in will not be or hopefully it will be less of an issue um so these are

[2:27:30] Trustee Elliott: in the absence of a robust ocp that has enough housing options for the community members that

[2:27:39] Trustee Elliott: we have that is why the non-enforcement of non-compliant buildings policy is in place

[2:27:50] Trustee Elliott: and I'm reading it a little bit differently.

[2:27:53] Trustee Elliott: I'm reading it that the complaint is

[2:27:55] Voice 13: not about the original standing

[2:27:57] Voice 13: resolution where we made, you know, we deferred

[2:28:01] Voice 13: by law enforcement because we were worried about people's

[2:28:04] Trustee Elliott: unstable housing

[2:28:05] Trustee Elliott: and where they might be in the next few

[2:28:08] Voice 13: years before the OCP is finished.

[2:28:10] Voice 13: I'm reading this more as the fact that there

[2:28:13] Voice 13: are people putting numerous travel trailers

[2:28:17] Trustee Elliott: on properties for other reasons, not for housing, not to replace.

[2:28:24] Trustee Elliott: Why would they have travel trailers on a property, if not for temporary housing?

[2:28:34] Voice 3: Well, that's...

[2:28:35] Voice 13: But

[2:28:36] Voice 3: there are...

[2:28:40] Trustee Elliott: Well, maybe we should wait until later.

[2:28:42] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I was going to say, if we're going to be...

[2:28:44] Trustee Elliott: Why don't we come back to this one when we discuss the bylaw enforcement report?

[2:28:49] Trustee Elliott: Is that okay?

[2:28:50] Trustee Elliott: Okay, I think we need to because, yeah, so we'll park that one and discuss it again.

[2:29:03] Trustee Elliott: 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 1. So this is 13, 11, 3, 4, and 5 are the same issue, correct?

[2:29:16] Trustee Elliott: 11, 3 is different. Oh, sorry. 4 and 5 are the same. You're right. Okay, so 11, 3.

[2:29:22] Trustee Elliott: so this was originally supposed to go to executive committee but it didn't apparently

[2:29:30] Trustee Elliott: so i have forwarded the letter to executive committee and it will be not agenda because

[2:29:35] Trustee Elliott: it's addressed to ec council so i think it's just here for information but i'm trying to understand

[2:29:49] Trustee Elliott: the two questions will the information gain be integrated into land use planning and lead to

[2:29:54] Trustee Elliott: the drafting of new directive policies in the Trust Policy Statement and OCP to protect the groundwater

[2:30:00] Trustee Elliott: supply recharge areas and ecosystems? Yes. In my view,

[2:30:04] Trustee Elliott: absolutely. The information from the groundwater study is

[2:30:09] Trustee Elliott: specifically for the drafting of directive policies. Will the

[2:30:16] Trustee Elliott: water balance study inform and direct trust council and the

[2:30:19] Trustee Elliott: staff's land use decisions by limiting density increases in

[2:30:23] Trustee Elliott: groundwater recharge areas?

[2:30:28] Voice 3: Well, it will inform us.

[2:30:35] Voice 3: i think it

[2:30:35] Trustee Elliott: still would yeah i mean you're not going to permit density increases in groundwater

[2:30:43] Trustee Elliott: recharge areas if you've got a dpa there i think it's contingent on having the tools in place

[2:30:49] Trustee Elliott: staff can't just arbitrarily decide because of the water balance study that these areas are all

[2:30:57] Trustee Elliott: has to catch up to that so I'm

[2:31:02] Voice 13: not sure what yeah

[2:31:11] Voice 3: yeah so

[2:31:18] Voice 13: the main question for me is

[2:31:19] Voice 13: will the information gained from the water belt studies be integrated into land planning

[2:31:26] Voice 13: yeah what why wouldn't it be that's what I think

[2:31:29] Trustee Elliott: I think the question is clear for Gabriel I'm

[2:31:32] Trustee Elliott: I'm less clear for the entire trust council so the study is done

[2:31:36] Voice 3: before

[2:31:38] Trustee Elliott: it carries on because it's a new approach.

[2:31:50] Voice 13: I mean, the whole reason we spent money on this study was to make it useful to the OCP review side.

[2:31:57] Voice 13: It's almost like we had done it in question, but it is serious.

[2:32:08] Trustee Elliott: it's recognizing the process that's already underway and the outcome of which is going to

[2:32:13] Trustee Elliott: result in a new ocp i can't say that or speak to the new trust policy statement because that's

[2:32:19] Trustee Elliott: outside of our well i think i think in some ways they are i mean there are no one study like on

[2:32:26] Trustee Elliott: salt spring we've had we have a water amount study but they're also taking each watershed

[2:32:30] Trustee Elliott: looking at from a climate change perspective as well and sort of looking at the individual impact

[2:32:36] Trustee Elliott: impact. So it there are different levels of studies based on geography and that that help

[2:32:43] Trustee Elliott: augment these things. So yeah, it's a combination.

[2:32:46] Trustee Elliott: And we do know that we are putting a climate lens over everything.

[2:32:50] Trustee Elliott: I mean, we'll see what you do.

[2:32:51] Trustee Elliott: So well, I just yeah, I wasn't sure.

[2:32:56] Trustee Elliott: I just wanted the letter writer to know this is going to executive committee and we have

[2:33:02] Trustee Elliott: received it as well.

[2:33:03] Trustee Elliott: So I guess if there's any action to be undertaken,

[2:33:13] Trustee Elliott: the Water and Finance Group is meeting today.

[2:33:15] Trustee Elliott: So.

[2:33:15] Trustee Elliott: Right.

[2:33:15] Trustee Elliott: So it is.

[2:33:16] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:33:18] Voice 13: Thanks.

[2:33:18] Voice 13: All right then.

[2:33:23] Trustee Elliott: So then the next items,

[2:33:24] Trustee Elliott: the next four and five are really the same issue here.

[2:33:30] Trustee Elliott: Degnan Bay.

[2:33:33] Trustee Elliott: Degnan Bay?

[2:33:34] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[2:33:34] Trustee Elliott: Degnan.

[2:33:37] Trustee Elliott: So what are your questions here?

[2:33:40] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[2:33:41] Trustee Elliott: Should we ask a-

[2:33:43] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:33:45] Trustee Elliott: Officer Warren Digman, any information you know about this vessel and this vein?

[2:33:51] Trustee Elliott: So one of our biggest concerns is we don't know who's planning on hauling this dead vessel over here.

[2:33:58] Voice 12: So, Chair, I've contacted the museum.

[2:34:00] Voice 12: The museum has passed on my information to the owner.

[2:34:06] Voice 12: I do have a name from someone else, but I haven't been able to confirm that they are the owner.

[2:34:11] Voice 12: They haven't registered this vessel.

[2:34:14] Voice 12: de-registered with the Amazon by the RCMP.

[2:34:17] Voice 12: So hopefully the new owner will contact me

[2:34:21] Voice 12: now that he has my information.

[2:34:25] Voice 3: Be able

[2:34:26] Voice 12: to open a conversation

[2:34:27] Voice 12: and let him know what the bylaw says

[2:34:30] Voice 12: about the uses in the bay.

[2:34:34] Trustee Elliott: My worry is that he's going to haul it over here.

[2:34:36] Trustee Elliott: It's not movable except by hauling it.

[2:34:39] Trustee Elliott: He's going to dump it on top of these enormous

[2:34:42] Trustee Elliott: cement blocks in eelgrass territory,

[2:34:45] Trustee Elliott: laboratory, which are already there. He's already put the big cement blocks in there.

[2:34:49] Trustee Elliott: It will sit on those cement blocks because it's a catamaran, and at high tide, it'll be just

[2:34:54] Trustee Elliott: sitting there, and at low tide, I guess maybe the idea is to maybe float it off or whatever, but

[2:35:01] Trustee Elliott: and my concern is that his supposed uses of this vessel are just all over the map from possible,

[2:35:11] Trustee Elliott: you know, movies, making movies to oil

[2:35:15] Voice 13: spill rescue stuff.

[2:35:18] Voice 13: There's no distinct purposeful use

[2:35:23] Trustee Elliott: for this large dead vessel.

[2:35:27] Trustee Elliott: Other than the fact that the Vancouver Maritime Museum

[2:35:32] Trustee Elliott: didn't want to pay to have it scrapped.

[2:35:34] Trustee Elliott: And so out it goes, some guy buys it, probably very cheap.

[2:35:40] Trustee Elliott: And it ends up in Deglan Bay,

[2:35:43] Voice 13: which is extremely concerning, especially since the blocks are enormous, they're huge, and they're already there waiting for this dead

[2:35:53] Trustee Elliott: vessel to come over.

[2:35:55] Trustee Elliott: I have a question about the blocks.

[2:35:58] Trustee Elliott: So a community member brought up that their concern is,

[2:36:04] Trustee Elliott: has there been an application about the concrete blocks

[2:36:09] Trustee Elliott: to DFO for harmful alteration destruction permit?

[2:36:17] Trustee Elliott: The blocks might constitute a HAB, she referenced.

[2:36:23] Trustee Elliott: And so there may be some conversation

[2:36:26] Trustee Elliott: about whether the blocks are destructive enough

[2:36:30] Trustee Elliott: that there actually should have been a permit

[2:36:33] Trustee Elliott: to put those at the bay,

[2:36:34] Trustee Elliott: which isn't covered, of course, by Orlandi's by-law.

[2:36:37] Trustee Elliott: But according to Orlandi's by-law,

[2:36:39] Trustee Elliott: it's not a contrary to the by-law to put blocks in there.

[2:36:44] Trustee Elliott: Is that correct?

[2:36:45] Voice 12: So Chair, if he's using the blocks to anchor mooring bones,

[2:36:50] Voice 12: and if this person is a resident of Gabriola,

[2:36:54] Voice 12: then that is permitted.

[2:36:57] Voice 12: Yes. I

[2:36:58] Voice 12: have a name of a person who may reside in Gabriola. I just can't confirm that. It's

[2:37:03] Voice 12: not a property owner, but if I do an internet search, the name comes up associated with

[2:37:08] Voice 12: Gabriola. So

[2:37:09] Voice 12: if he rents a home in Gabriola and he sets up the mooring buoys for this

[2:37:14] Voice 12: vessel, that's a permitted use under the land use by law. These other proposed uses, if

[2:37:19] Voice 12: they're commercial or industrial, no, those will not be permitted.

[2:37:24] Trustee Elliott: so the approach now would be to advise whoever the owner might be that you know here's the limits of

[2:37:33] Trustee Elliott: what you can do with this vessel if it's brought here it could be used for pleasure for voting

[2:37:39] Trustee Elliott: not for commercial or industrial use right

[2:37:42] Voice 12: so through the chair that would be the first step

[2:37:44] Voice 12: is just to advise them what the land use by law says so they know that you can stop rate

[2:37:49] Voice 12: lawful use. And as far as DFO, I don't know that they're concerned. They're not usually

[2:37:57] Voice 12: concerned with mooring buoys, as long as they're not a threat to navigation, some type of hazard.

[2:38:02] Voice 13: What

[2:38:03] Trustee Elliott: about eelgrass? Like that doesn't matter? It's fish habitat, harmful alteration,

[2:38:10] Trustee Elliott: destruction, displacement. So, you know, it's in a rockfish conservation

[2:38:16] Voice 13: zone, it's in an eelgrass

[2:38:18] Voice 13: area, and they're enormous.

[2:38:21] Voice 13: I've never seen green blocks that big.

[2:38:28] Voice 3: Okay, or follow-up.

[2:38:30] Voice 12: I think it's best if actually people have concerns

[2:38:35] Voice 12: about the

[2:38:36] Voice 12: eelgrass or the fisheries, they should contact

[2:38:39] Voice 12: EFO directly.

[2:38:42] Voice 12: These other agencies that we deal with, they don't

[2:38:45] Voice 12: like our third-party complaints

[2:38:47] Voice 12: is what they amount to,

[2:38:49] Voice 3: and

[2:38:50] Voice 12: And you know, they're not necessarily responsive to us,

[2:38:54] Voice 12: so they may be more responsive to individuals

[2:38:56] Voice 12: who complained about that specific concern.

[2:39:03] Voice 12: So

[2:39:03] Trustee Elliott: should we respond to these two letter writers,

[2:39:07] Trustee Elliott: let them know that my law enforcement

[2:39:10] Trustee Elliott: is investigating the file?

[2:39:12] Trustee Elliott: We already have.

[2:39:13] Trustee Elliott: But that request them to contact the above?

[2:39:17] Trustee Elliott: It sounded

[2:39:18] Trustee Elliott: as though Brad Nixon's daughter

[2:39:20] Trustee Elliott: or would have contacts with but we can

[2:39:22] Voice 13: certainly let them know that that's a really good idea to

[2:39:25] Voice 13: contact yeah well i think they're already taking

[2:39:28] Trustee Elliott: action in the way that they should and our job

[2:39:31] Trustee Elliott: would be to direct them in any other way but they're already doing so i don't see any need

[2:39:37] Trustee Elliott: to respond to it right so carry on at this point then

[2:39:43] Voice 13: so

[2:39:44] Trustee Elliott: that moves us on to item 13 1 on the

[2:39:48] Trustee Elliott: agenda page 227 and this is the housing advisory planning commission turn

[2:39:55] Voice 3: and

[2:39:58] Trustee Elliott: i'm just going to

[2:40:01] Trustee Elliott: talk about this sorry

[2:40:02] Voice 11: i can talk about it it's um i think it's one of the greatest reports really

[2:40:06] Voice 11: that you have a housing advisory planning commission which are about to expire in may

[2:40:12] Voice 11: and so we're requesting that you if you want to continue having a housing advisory planning

[2:40:17] Voice 11: commission that you uh ask staff to add to their public expressions of interest and reach out to

[2:40:22] Voice 11: those uh current members to invite their expression of interest as well

[2:40:28] Voice 13: trustees i always ask whether

[2:40:31] Voice 13: we need a housing advisory planning commission on top of an apc and i'm not asking that because i

[2:40:37] Voice 13: have any particular leaning one way or the other do all of the trust areas have housing advisory

[2:40:44] Voice 13: advisory planning commissions?

[2:40:45] Voice 11: I don't believe all, no, they don't at all.

[2:40:49] Trustee Elliott: You guys were the first,

[2:40:50] Trustee Elliott: we had one last term with ourselves.

[2:40:54] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[2:40:55] Trustee Elliott: Advisory planning commissions can be struck

[2:40:57] Trustee Elliott: for any purpose if agriculture is needed

[2:40:59] Trustee Elliott: and the Skid Row LTC has had a

[2:41:02] Trustee Elliott: for at least 12 years as a major project.

[2:41:06] Trustee Elliott: So that was why there was a need for a separate HAPC

[2:41:09] Trustee Elliott: and I would say the members

[2:41:13] Trustee Elliott: may still want to be

[2:41:16] Trustee Elliott: involved. Just seeing my feedback

[2:41:17] Trustee Elliott: from the one referral,

[2:41:21] Trustee Elliott: there's

[2:41:21] Trustee Elliott: some housing considerations there

[2:41:23] Trustee Elliott: and I think

[2:41:26] Trustee Elliott: keeping more people engaged

[2:41:27] Trustee Elliott: is better. I don't think it's

[2:41:30] Trustee Elliott: a lot of staff effort unless

[2:41:31] Trustee Elliott: we have a referral.

[2:41:34] Voice 11: I was going to

[2:41:35] Voice 11: mention they are also involved

[2:41:38] Voice 11: in particular really early on

[2:41:40] Voice 11: in the OCP project.

[2:41:41] Voice 11: I think

[2:41:42] Voice 11: it was a report, but I'm going to report back to you about the housing options.

[2:41:48] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:41:48] Voice 13: I definitely see the need right now.

[2:41:51] Trustee Elliott: So, trustees, what would you like to do?

[2:41:53] Voice 13: Sure.

[2:41:55] Trustee Elliott: Let's go for it.

[2:41:58] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request the act to send

[2:42:04] Trustee Elliott: to members of the Housing Advisory Planning Commission.

[2:42:07] Trustee Elliott: His terms will expire

[2:42:08] Voice 13: on May 11th, 2025.

[2:42:10] Voice 13: 25, thanking them for their participation and inviting their expressions of interest

[2:42:16] Voice 13: for reappointment for another two-year term,

[2:42:18] Trustee Elliott: and advertise for public expressions of interest

[2:42:22] Trustee Elliott: for new members.

[2:42:24] Trustee Elliott: There are a second.

[2:42:25] Trustee Elliott: Second.

[2:42:25] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Elliott, any discussion?

[2:42:28] Trustee Elliott: All in all, then, all those in favor?

[2:42:30] Trustee Elliott: That carries.

[2:42:33] Trustee Elliott: Okay, then.

[2:42:34] Trustee Elliott: Now we'll move on to 13.2, which is the Bylaw of Compliance and Enforcement Policy Review

[2:42:39] Trustee Elliott: staff report. I assume the manager, Damon, will review that report.

[2:42:44] Voice 12: Yes, Chair. So this report deals with

[2:42:49] Voice 12: several basic issues regarding current

[2:42:52] Voice 12: compliance reports with policies, standing resolutions,

[2:42:57] Voice 12: specific policy dealing with non-compliant dwellings.

[2:43:00] Voice 12: It also references a need for some

[2:43:05] Voice 12: housekeeping items with the Bend By-law.

[2:43:08] Voice 12: The report summary is to provide an update

[2:43:11] Voice 12: on your compliance and enforcement files for

[2:43:13] Voice 12: non-compliant dwellings, and you have a table as an attachment for those files, and address

[2:43:19] Voice 12: your current policies in place, and standing resolutions that you can rescind.

[2:43:24] Voice 12: You've got a main compliance and enforcement document.

[2:43:30] Voice 12: The non-compliant dwellings you've got in total here with the attachment, there's 23 total files.

[2:43:42] Voice 12: You've got 39 non-compliant dwellings on lots that only permit 24.

[2:43:52] Voice 12: So we are getting close to almost double the density that was intended with the land use by-law.

[2:43:58] Voice 12: off. Several of these properties at the initial time of complaint, initial investigation,

[2:44:05] Voice 12: do have multiple non-compliant drawings, usually travel trailers. You'll know the

[2:44:11] Voice 12: one that are in these four that have three plus travel trailers on it that

[2:44:18] Voice 12: were used or are still currently being used on these properties. So one of the recommendations

[2:44:27] Voice 12: patients for the local trust committee was that you consider putting a limit on the number

[2:44:34] Voice 12: saying two let's keep to a maximum of two as a possible change to your policy in section 4.2

[2:44:43] Voice 12: with the resolutions these other resolutions very non-compliant drawings and certification

[2:44:49] Voice 12: rentals in the public markets there's a recommendation that you can rescind those

[2:44:53] Voice 12: standing resolutions now you've got the policy document in place and the LTC can

[2:45:01] Voice 12: request amendments to the Bend By-law so we can bring it up to date with LUD

[2:45:07] Voice 12: changes and simplify it and also add a contravention penalty for failure to

[2:45:16] Voice 12: to obtain a development permit,

[2:45:20] Voice 12: develop permit areas, housekeeping items such as that.

[2:45:27] Voice 12: Yeah, in the end, I think it's reasonable

[2:45:30] Voice 12: to put a limit on the number of dwellings.

[2:45:34] Voice 12: If there are continuing, you know,

[2:45:35] Voice 12: there are some concerns about the proliferation

[2:45:38] Voice 12: on some of these lots.

[2:45:40] Voice 12: Although overall, it's just not a major problem.

[2:45:44] Voice 12: and I don't believe there's been a proliferation.

[2:45:48] Voice 12: As I mentioned in one paragraph,

[2:45:52] Voice 12: you know, in 2021 alone,

[2:45:54] Voice 12: there were eight files open for non-applied dwellings.

[2:45:56] Voice 12: But since the policy was adopted in 2022

[2:45:59] Voice 12: to defer enforcement,

[2:46:01] Voice 12: we've only have two or eight new files open.

[2:46:04] Voice 12: So I don't see a trend where there's a proliferation

[2:46:07] Voice 12: of the travel trailers being used.

[2:46:10] Voice 12: One example.

[2:46:14] Trustee Elliott: interesting questions for staff it's really helpful to see the date so thank you for this

[2:46:21] Trustee Elliott: table and i really wanted to surface this information to find out if there actually

[2:46:27] Trustee Elliott: is evidence that there's a problem um as in we're attracting or allowing people to live in

[2:46:39] Trustee Elliott: in unsafe situations that are degrading the neighborhood and so on so i could see that

[2:46:47] Trustee Elliott: there's maybe a few cases if you look at the last three on one on cherry and trillion way

[2:46:54] Trustee Elliott: where there's a number but they're on separate lots and perhaps that accumulated

[2:47:02] Trustee Elliott: accumulated, or the cumulative impact of those two, three, four travel trailers is causing a lot of concern. My question is, rather than limiting, say, the number of trailers, what are the options for the LTC to direct enforcement specifically in cases where, you know, this has become a problem for the neighborhood?

[2:47:29] Trustee Elliott: Maybe there's only one travel trailer, but besides all the other reasons, health and safety, there's no compromising the well, but they're just, it's causing a problem.

[2:47:40] Trustee Elliott: We could direct enforcement, could we direct enforcement on that?

[2:47:43] Trustee Elliott: Or does the policy need to be consistent and the same for absolutely everybody?

[2:47:47] Trustee Elliott: And that's why you're suggesting a two-travel trailer limit.

[2:47:52] Voice 12: So through you, Chair, LTC has before basically rescinded the deferment for a specific property

[2:48:01] Voice 12: because there was a proliferation of travel trailers.

[2:48:04] Voice 12: So for any of these files, you can ask for a specific report.

[2:48:08] Voice 12: We can give you the report, and then you can – I mean, it's entirely at your discretion

[2:48:12] Voice 12: to continue to defer enforcement or say no, move forward and enforce on these properties

[2:48:18] Voice 12: is, as you believe it's in the committee's interest to do so. We had the property on

[2:48:25] Voice 12: Bruce Lynn Road where the LPC rescinded that deferment so that we could further enforce

[2:48:33] Voice 12: and bring an end to that large encampment on the property.

[2:48:39] Trustee Elliott: I have a comment about the recommendation. So recommendation number two is to replace

[2:48:46] Trustee Elliott: the current section with the following and it says at the end or or if there are more than

[2:48:52] Trustee Elliott: two non-compliant drawings or travel failures um i would i would want to see that number as

[2:49:00] Trustee Elliott: one if there are more than one non-compliant two is like opening the doors

[2:49:10] Trustee Elliott: why would you need more why would you need why would

[2:49:13] Voice 13: you need more than one if you're

[2:49:15] Voice 13: from literally planning on building a home and not just having a bunch of trailers stuck up

[2:49:21] Trustee Elliott: why would you need one and this is what i've observed just going around to some of these

[2:49:26] Trustee Elliott: places that have multiple trailers you know just in there for quite some time

[2:49:34] Trustee Elliott: i would not agree with this unless it was more than one non-compliant dwelling

[2:49:42] Trustee Elliott: yeah my view is that um amending the policy to any number one or two or three

[2:49:53] Trustee Elliott: means you're de facto allowing a kind of form of housing that we don't currently allow

[2:50:02] Trustee Elliott: but it's going to be really hard to it's it's impossible to tell from the number

[2:50:09] Trustee Elliott: whether you're discriminating against somebody who's in true housing need or somebody who's

[2:50:17] Trustee Elliott: living there because they don't want to get a building permit for that so they're eventually

[2:50:21] Trustee Elliott: going to build so how to just determine what is you know our lack of housing on the island

[2:50:29] Trustee Elliott: is leading to people who live in trailers as well as the

[2:50:34] Trustee Elliott: economic like reality costs have gone up

[2:50:38] Trustee Elliott: incredibly. So I don't think amending the policy to say two or one is going to

[2:50:47] Trustee Elliott: solve the problem. Solving the problem will be amending our OCP.

[2:50:54] Trustee Elliott: Solving the problem will have federal and provincial governments giving money for

[2:50:59] Trustee Elliott: cooperative and group housing and affordable housing. There's no way a

[2:51:05] Trustee Elliott: local government can solve the current housing problem across this province

[2:51:09] Trustee Elliott: for this country all we can do is attempt to make it somehow bearable for

[2:51:17] Voice 13: people who already live

[2:51:18] Voice 13: here but we have no control over it well i want to go back to the letter

[2:51:23] Trustee Elliott: writer um which katherine

[2:51:26] Trustee Elliott: and mark sent in so it's on page 216 16 to 219

[2:51:38] Trustee Elliott: so it's saying deliberate breaches of clause 6.4.1 of bylaw 177 the provision that allows

[2:51:50] Trustee Elliott: a trailer to be used as a temporary dwelling for two years while building subject to a number of

[2:51:55] Trustee Elliott: conditions that include the septic system holding building permit and fencing so the letter writer

[2:52:04] Trustee Elliott: and other people who have talked to me are concerned about this policy that people are

[2:52:09] Trustee Elliott: taking advantage as in we've bought properties with no intent to build they could stall trailers

[2:52:17] Trustee Elliott: on them where they've bought properties with the intent to build but later is not taking any steps

[2:52:23] Trustee Elliott: towards building so i think i know the letter writer is trying to ask us to separate those

[2:52:31] Trustee Elliott: two cases people who are in real housing need versus people who are living in trailers because

[2:52:37] Trustee Elliott: because they're not getting a building permit yet

[2:52:38] Trustee Elliott: or don't seem to have an intent to.

[2:52:41] Trustee Elliott: Is there a way to do that under this policy?

[2:52:44] Trustee Elliott: Because I don't think limiting to one or two trailers

[2:52:46] Trustee Elliott: is the remedy for that situation.

[2:52:49] Trustee Elliott: But you as a by-law enforcement manager,

[2:52:52] Trustee Elliott: are you in a position to be able to talk

[2:52:54] Trustee Elliott: to the subject of a complaint and say,

[2:52:58] Trustee Elliott: are you intending to apply for building permits

[2:53:00] Trustee Elliott: or are you insecurely housed

[2:53:02] Trustee Elliott: and there's just no way you can get a house other than our?

[2:53:06] Trustee Elliott: i'm just thinking could could it be dealt with if you were to make that policy in addition to

[2:53:13] Trustee Elliott: one lawful dwelling so that that solves that issue they're not living on they're not you know

[2:53:19] Trustee Elliott: if they've got a lawful dwelling you have a limitation number on top of that because then

[2:53:24] Trustee Elliott: that solves the i'm living in a trailer and not building a house on the

[2:53:29] Trustee Elliott: land i'm just gonna live

[2:53:30] Trustee Elliott: in a trailer for the rest of the time or

[2:53:33] Voice 13: i'm living in a trailer and i'm renting out this

[2:53:35] Voice 13: other trailer and then i'm ending up this other chain there yeah

[2:53:37] Trustee Elliott: well i understand the limit

[2:53:39] Trustee Elliott: that's what i said the limit to limit number but to address your issue of somebody separating the

[2:53:44] Trustee Elliott: issue of a person just living in a trailer and avoiding building a house i mean they own the land

[2:53:52] Trustee Elliott: we're using a trailer instead of a house but like how can you prove an intent to build a house

[2:54:01] Voice 12: So Chair, you apply for your building permit. For these last three files here, 6061 and 62, there's two building, well one does have the building permit.

[2:54:14] Voice 12: The information that I have is that it's, they have it, it's posted on their law.

[2:54:19] Voice 3: So

[2:54:19] Voice 12: they're legally allowed to build their house and live in the travel trip for the two years.

[2:54:25] Voice 12: yes they need to have some screening and septic and i think they have it the other property has

[2:54:31] Voice 12: its building application in we've done the referral i think it's complete and it's just

[2:54:36] Voice 12: now up to the rdn to issue the building permit so you've only got one trailer and they're doing

[2:54:44] Voice 12: they're doing everything properly regular contact with them to ensure that okay the one property's

[2:54:52] Voice 12: got the building permit the other one should have it soon and there's just the one with the two

[2:54:57] Voice 12: trailers on it where we may have no progress then the other two we have progress okay as

[2:55:03] Voice 12: far as and

[2:55:04] Voice 12: that's that's what the standard that we've always been used because in the bylaw is do you how do

[2:55:10] Voice 12: you show your intent do you have your building permit or have you submitted your application

[2:55:14] Voice 12: for a building permit for the single family law yeah and

[2:55:18] Voice 12: that's what most of these cases are

[2:55:21] Voice 12: they're just in the process of getting a building permit or some of these made

[2:55:27] Voice 12: that would list here I haven't checked up on all of them some of them may have

[2:55:31] Voice 12: their building permits for some of these other trailers as well you

[2:55:38] Trustee Elliott: know what

[2:55:40] Trustee Elliott: about the secondary suite and trailers more

[2:55:44] Voice 13: than one trailer and a secondary

[2:55:46] Voice 13: suite what's going on there there are

[2:55:49] Voice 12: a couple of properties that yes they have

[2:55:51] Voice 12: multiple units so

[2:55:55] Trustee Elliott: if those are an issue can we get an update which was a

[2:56:02] Trustee Elliott: condition of this policy is getting an annual update on all those outstanding

[2:56:06] Trustee Elliott: files and I would say in camera next time I appreciate this this doesn't

[2:56:11] Trustee Elliott: reveal people's identities at least but the ones that we may need to direct

[2:56:16] Trustee Elliott: enforcement on um in the future because there are problems and there's too many trailers i would

[2:56:24] Trustee Elliott: rather have that case by case even though i know it's no more work i just don't see how we can

[2:56:31] Trustee Elliott: amend the policy to say two trailers are not okay or one trailer is okay

[2:56:40] Trustee Elliott: to because you cannot tell unless you're having conversations that person is in housing need

[2:56:46] Trustee Elliott: or they're using it just indefinitely because so Catherine you write we struggle to think of

[2:56:55] Trustee Elliott: any reason why enforcement should continue to be deferred the reason I would say that enforcement

[2:57:00] Trustee Elliott: continues to be deferred is because we still have the exact same OCP and the conditions are still

[2:57:07] Trustee Elliott: the same but people are struggling to find any legitimate forms of housing there's no rental

[2:57:13] Trustee Elliott: stock so we have letter writers people who've lived here for 15 years and they've continually

[2:57:19] Trustee Elliott: bumped and bumped and bumped and so until the ocp process can provide some sufficient housing

[2:57:27] Trustee Elliott: options i don't see lifting this non-enforcement policy deferral um because people are still

[2:57:35] Trustee Elliott: struggling i just can't think of a way to

[2:57:40] Voice 12: so through the chair the ltc can pass a motion and

[2:57:45] Voice 12: And we can request the reports on, say, all of the lots with three plus, three or four.

[2:57:52] Voice 13: Oh, two plus.

[2:57:56] Voice 12: I'm suggesting as a first group, we do the ones with the most non-compliant dwellings.

[2:58:03] Voice 12: There's four I've circled here.

[2:58:05] Voice 12: That can be the first group.

[2:58:07] Voice 12: And then after you've made a decision on the first group, we can move to the second group

[2:58:12] Voice 12: with the multiple multiple units

[2:58:15] Voice 6: and

[2:58:18] Voice 3: i'm totally open to being convinced otherwise i just

[2:58:25] Trustee Elliott: well

[2:58:25] Voice 13: i don't see how um our updated ocp when we finally get to that i don't see how that's

[2:58:31] Voice 13: going to necessarily provide more rental units it's up to people who live here to decide if they

[2:58:39] Voice 13: want to provide rental space it depends somewhat on what we allow of course

[2:58:46] Voice 13: i don't see an updated ocp waiting for that to provide more rental units i just don't see that

[2:58:56] Voice 13: that's

[2:58:57] Trustee Elliott: going to result in more rental units

[2:59:00] Trustee Elliott: which it did well it's a pathway for compliance

[2:59:03] Trustee Elliott: and it gives it gives by law enforcement another tool when they're working with an owner here's

[2:59:09] Trustee Elliott: your options right is there a legal path that you can convert to rather than an illegal path

[2:59:15] Trustee Elliott: so that's that's where you can drive them into it yeah of course the same like our short-term

[2:59:21] Trustee Elliott: vacation yeah um

[2:59:24] Voice 13: um well i i do have a question about this column permitted density and it says

[2:59:30] Voice 13: 24. i don't understand where that 24 comes from it's

[2:59:36] Voice 12: just a total number of densities so either

[2:59:38] Voice 12: Either it's a small lot and you're allowed one dwelling, or it's five plus, I'd say, two hectares plus and you're allowed two.

[2:59:46] Voice 12: It's just the basic count.

[2:59:47] Voice 13: Oh, okay.

[2:59:48] Voice 12: You're either allowed one or two, or none, like in Dignan Bay.

[2:59:55] Voice 12: That's it. It's just a rough number here.

[2:59:57] Voice 12: I tell it up. This is what they should...

[3:00:00] Voice 12: have a maximum of 24 units of dwelling units of any kind

[3:00:06] Trustee Elliott: so i will respond to your um you don't

[3:00:14] Trustee Elliott: know how the ocp process could provide more rental units but i certainly know there's community

[3:00:19] Trustee Elliott: members who are desperately hoping that the ocp reviewed this letter right which just came in

[3:00:27] Trustee Elliott: we've been living here for 15 years lived in several unauthorized housing locations due to

[3:00:32] Trustee Elliott: the shortage of rentals available over the last five years but in housing the landlords are not

[3:00:37] Trustee Elliott: respectful of our rates as tenants it's incredibly challenging people do not like to rent to long

[3:00:43] Trustee Elliott: term rentals i am in very close contact with so co-buying permitting secondary suites to be built

[3:00:50] Trustee Elliott: renovated lived in while living sustainably community deserves to have legal aspects on

[3:00:56] Trustee Elliott: this and zoning revisited so we can find sustainable ways to support our low income

[3:01:00] Trustee Elliott: kind of elderly residents this there's no doubt in my mind that my age group and younger has no

[3:01:10] Trustee Elliott: chance of getting into housing unless you cooperate together to buy land those are the

[3:01:17] Trustee Elliott: kind of housing options we have to start talking about and going into that because we need any kind

[3:01:22] Trustee Elliott: of housing stock that is not single-family blind so we have people who are essential in our

[3:01:28] Trustee Elliott: community who are living year to year in instability and i can't say which ones are

[3:01:36] Trustee Elliott: living in rvs or which ones are unpermitted dwellings but until we have some better options

[3:01:42] Trustee Elliott: through the ocp review i i need to be convinced that this enforcement policy should be changed

[3:01:50] Trustee Elliott: the only change that i um you've suggested the lack of approved septic system could change to

[3:01:58] Trustee Elliott: lack of approved sewage disposal systems I agree with that terminology um I think if there's a

[3:02:06] Trustee Elliott: demonstrated issue that it's having neighborhood impacts or there's unlawful activities happening

[3:02:12] Trustee Elliott: or it's just being they're not being good neighbors but bring it to us and and we can

[3:02:18] Trustee Elliott: direct enforcement I don't have a problem with that I have a problem with changing this broad

[3:02:25] Trustee Elliott: scale and then it having unintended consequences and creating a lot of fear in the community we

[3:02:30] Trustee Elliott: did have a letter from people who are worried about being oh yeah

[3:02:34] Trustee Elliott: i've squeezed out they have

[3:02:35] Trustee Elliott: my

[3:02:35] Voice 13: sympathy i completely get it i don't know that it's necessarily related to a number of these

[3:02:42] Voice 13: non-compliant points

[3:02:45] Voice 3: so

[3:02:49] Trustee Elliott: i'm definitely someone what's your recommendation for dealing or how

[3:02:53] Trustee Elliott: How would you like to deal with this then?

[3:02:54] Trustee Elliott: Is it either changed?

[3:03:01] Trustee Elliott: I mean, we're probably not even ready to rescind

[3:03:04] Trustee Elliott: those three standing resolutions.

[3:03:07] Trustee Elliott: They're in lawful short-term vacation and flows.

[3:03:10] Trustee Elliott: We're just rescinding these

[3:03:12] Trustee Elliott: because they're captured in our policy, right?

[3:03:15] Trustee Elliott: Yep.

[3:03:19] Voice 13: The new policy.

[3:03:21] Voice 13: And I'm not happy about adopting the new policy

[3:03:26] Voice 13: unless we change that number from two to one.

[3:03:30] Trustee Elliott: and then I'm happy with it.

[3:03:32] Trustee Elliott: So question, is this something that could be referred

[3:03:34] Trustee Elliott: to the Housing Advisory Planning Commission?

[3:03:37] Voice 13: What?

[3:03:38] Trustee Elliott: It could be.

[3:03:38] Voice 13: Any

[3:03:39] Trustee Elliott: members, what they think?

[3:03:42] Trustee Elliott: Because these are people who are invested in housing.

[3:03:45] Trustee Elliott: Some of them are housing insecure.

[3:03:47] Trustee Elliott: All that could happen.

[3:03:51] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:03:54] Voice 13: would be reluctant to.

[3:03:55] Voice 13: I don't think that's appropriate.

[3:03:57] Voice 13: I mean, it's sort of to get the desire to do that.

[3:04:02] Voice 13: I think we need to make this decision and we need we need the Housing Advisory Planning Commission members to work on really positive steps.

[3:04:13] Trustee Elliott: How do we, what could stand then under two? What would be okay?

[3:04:22] Trustee Elliott: Dressy Elliott in your mind? I would just end up drinking sources personally.

[3:04:28] Trustee Elliott: And then consider asking Manager Dingman to bring a report to a future meeting of properties

[3:04:43] Trustee Elliott: with over X.

[3:04:45] Voice 13: Well, I mean, to me, that last phrase is really important.

[3:04:50] Voice 13: That's a really important part of replacing

[3:04:52] Trustee Elliott: Section 4.2 is looking at the number of...

[3:04:57] Trustee Elliott: We can still go back and revisit it.

[3:05:00] Trustee Elliott: But you're not making a permanent

[3:05:01] Trustee Elliott: decision.

[3:05:03] Trustee Elliott: But I think if we could get an agreement today

[3:05:05] Trustee Elliott: to at least get to have an additional resolution

[3:05:10] Trustee Elliott: asking to have a report back on those cases

[3:05:13] Trustee Elliott: that are over whatever number you wish to look at,

[3:05:17] Trustee Elliott: then you can always amend the policy at a later date.

[3:05:22] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, certainly.

[3:05:23] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Elliott?

[3:05:24] Trustee Elliott: So yeah, I'm just going through the table again.

[3:05:27] Trustee Elliott: So 2022 was when the policy was instituted, and the number of trailers, you know, the North Road one, the South Street one, Monty Miller Way, so those top three would be the only growth of one, and then the Bertha, which have been pre.

[3:05:51] Trustee Elliott: like i would rather personally i'd rather have a report come to us so that we can decide i think

[3:05:59] Trustee Elliott: i would need more information about what's the actual situation going on is this just

[3:06:05] Trustee Elliott: because some of these could be you know landlords that are taking advantage and absolutely that

[3:06:12] Trustee Elliott: shouldn't be um especially if they're providing unsafe trailers or unserviced trailers to to rent

[3:06:21] Trustee Elliott: and to live in.

[3:06:22] Trustee Elliott: Exploitation.

[3:06:23] Trustee Elliott: So I would say if we can ask by law enforcement

[3:06:27] Trustee Elliott: to follow up on all the properties

[3:06:30] Trustee Elliott: that have two or more trailers

[3:06:34] Trustee Elliott: and bring a report back in camera

[3:06:37] Trustee Elliott: so that we can talk and understand the issues,

[3:06:42] Trustee Elliott: then we can make decisions on them individually.

[3:06:45] Trustee Elliott: And do you want to put this into advance right now?

[3:06:48] Trustee Elliott: I think we can do the rest of them.

[3:06:52] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, these are the rest of its housekeeping.

[3:06:56] Voice 13: Do you want to make that motion, Trustee Collier?

[3:06:58] Voice 13: I'm happy to second it.

[3:07:00] Voice 13: Sure.

[3:07:02] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Hale Island Local Trust Committee

[3:07:05] Trustee Elliott: rescind the following three standing resolutions,

[3:07:07] Trustee Elliott: GBLTC 2022-089,

[3:07:11] Trustee Elliott: standing resolution on enforcement of non-compliant dwellings,

[3:07:15] Trustee Elliott: GBLTC 2020-053,

[3:07:19] Trustee Elliott: Standing Resolution Authorizing Proactive Enforcement on Unlawful Short-Term Rentals, NGB LTC 2019-038.

[3:07:28] Trustee Elliott: Standing Resolution Deferring Enforcement, Limited Public Markets Operating Indoors.

[3:07:34] Trustee Elliott: I'm going to second that.

[3:07:36] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[3:07:38] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[3:07:39] Trustee Elliott: I just want to make it clear for anyone listening that there is still a policy in place that is deferring enforcement.

[3:07:48] Trustee Elliott: it's just removing the duplicate standing resolutions.

[3:07:52] Trustee Elliott: So we still need to have further conversation

[3:07:55] Trustee Elliott: about the non-enforcement policy.

[3:07:58] Trustee Elliott: And it's always better to have a bylaw

[3:08:00] Trustee Elliott: than a standing resolution.

[3:08:01] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

[3:08:02] Voice 13: Anything, is

[3:08:03] Trustee Elliott: there any further discussion?

[3:08:05] Trustee Elliott: I'll call both in, all those in favor?

[3:08:07] Trustee Elliott: That carries.

[3:08:10] Trustee Elliott: Do you wanna make a motion now

[3:08:11] Voice 13: about asking Magistrate Dingman to come back to us?

[3:08:20] Voice 13: I always have more work for you, Manager Dingman.

[3:08:28] Voice 3: You

[3:08:28] Trustee Elliott: produce an incredible amount of work for us, not

[3:08:32] Trustee Elliott: just for us, we know.

[3:08:39] Trustee Elliott: So we're looking for specifics in which there's more than two non-compliant dwellings or trailers

[3:08:45] Trustee Elliott: used as residences.

[3:08:48] Trustee Elliott: Would you be able to get

[3:08:52] Trustee Elliott: that ready for June?

[3:08:52] Voice 13: June. Our next one is not until June, I think.

[3:08:55] Voice 3: Chair,

[3:09:03] Voice 6: there should be a follow-up on June.

[3:09:09] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, June 26.

[3:09:13] Trustee Elliott: Okay. So it'd be something like requesting staff to report back

[3:09:17] Trustee Elliott: at an incompetential meeting or encounter

[3:09:20] Trustee Elliott: for an encounter discussion with a report on all files

[3:09:26] Trustee Elliott: or all file enforcement files

[3:09:29] Trustee Elliott: with more than two non-compliant dwellings or travel trailers

[3:09:33] Trustee Elliott: used as a residence on the property.

[3:09:36] Trustee Elliott: I wanted to say used as a residence, because some of them are not being used as a residence.

[3:09:40] Trustee Elliott: They're for other people.

[3:09:41] Trustee Elliott: Just non-compliant dwellings.

[3:09:42] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[3:09:43] Trustee Elliott: More than two non-compliant dwellings with travel trailers.

[3:09:48] Trustee Elliott: Well, that's a good one.

[3:09:49] Trustee Elliott: Let's read it back when she's ready.

[3:09:53] Voice 13: And do we want the date?

[3:09:55] Voice 13: Because Manager Dingman says he can bring it to us for June.

[3:09:57] Voice 13: Do we need a date?

[3:09:58] Voice 13: Doesn't matter.

[3:10:00] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[3:10:00] Trustee Elliott: I'll let Lisa read that.

[3:10:01] Trustee Elliott: Did the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff report back for in-camera discussion

[3:10:06] Trustee Elliott: with a report on all bylaw enforcement files that have two or more non-compliant

[3:10:11] Trustee Elliott: dwellings or travel trailers on the property. That

[3:10:15] Trustee Elliott: sounds good, can you make that movie?

[3:10:20] Trustee Elliott: Second by Trustee Yates, is there any discussion? Call the vote then, all those in favour?

[3:10:27] Trustee Elliott: And that carries. So then the second recommendation, the only change is the

[3:10:38] Trustee Elliott: sewage to sewage disposal systems or septic to sewage disposal systems was there a reason for

[3:10:45] Trustee Elliott: that word or it's just the new language like the old standing resolution in that

[3:10:51] Voice 12: subject i think

[3:10:53] Voice 12: so the reference to sewage disposal systems is in the new compliance that works with poland

[3:10:58] Trustee Elliott: right the

[3:10:59] Voice 12: standing resolution may have been different

[3:11:01] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah probably it was older what

[3:11:07] Trustee Elliott: What would you

[3:11:08] Trustee Elliott: like to do there?

[3:11:09] Voice 13: Well, I'll leave it to you to move it if you want.

[3:11:12] Voice 13: Yes.

[3:11:13] Voice 13: Well, I will not move it unless we can change that number two to one, more than one.

[3:11:21] Voice 13: But you're welcome to move it and

[3:11:23] Trustee Elliott: have Laura second it.

[3:11:25] Trustee Elliott: Oh, boom.

[3:11:26] Trustee Elliott: I don't think there's a, I wouldn't use the recommendation.

[3:11:30] Trustee Elliott: I wouldn't change it.

[3:11:35] Voice 3: I don't think.

[3:11:36] Voice 3: So,

[3:11:40] Voice 12: Chair, the Standing Resolution had a reference to septic systems.

[3:11:45] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:11:46] Voice 12: The current policy has this reference to sewage disposal systems.

[3:11:49] Voice 12: Oh, I see.

[3:11:51] Voice 12: So, you presented the Standing Resolution, so you don't need to remove the reference to septic systems.

[3:11:57] Thanks.

[3:12:01] Voice 3: Do we have a motion?

[3:12:03] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[3:12:04] Trustee Elliott: Well,

[3:12:05] Voice 13: then I will

[3:12:06] Trustee Elliott: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee adopt the following amendment

[3:12:10] Trustee Elliott: to the Gabriel Island By

[3:12:12] Voice 13: -law Compliance and Enforcement Policy

[3:12:13] Voice 13: with the following.

[3:12:15] Voice 13: Replace the current Section 4.2 with the following.

[3:12:20] Trustee Elliott: Enforcement on non-compliant dwellings will be deferred

[3:12:23] Trustee Elliott: unless there are contraventions in development permit areas

[3:12:26] Trustee Elliott: or other environmentally sensitive areas,

[3:12:29] Trustee Elliott: or if there are concerns about health and safety

[3:12:32] Trustee Elliott: or the lack of approved student disposal systems,

[3:12:35] Trustee Elliott: or if it is determined that there is contamination of wells

[3:12:39] Trustee Elliott: for other drinking sources or if there is more than one non-compliant dwelling

[3:12:48] Trustee Elliott: or travel trailer used as residences on a property is there a second is there a

[3:13:01] Trustee Elliott: discussion. Christelia? Yeah, I will not be voting in favor. I do think, I think a considered

[3:13:17] Trustee Elliott: case-by-case reasoning of the individual situations, and there are few enough of them

[3:13:26] Trustee Elliott: that we can take them individually, is better than a broad-scale direction, which I think will

[3:13:33] Trustee Elliott: send people into...

[3:13:36] Voice 3: I

[3:13:40] Trustee Elliott: think it'll cause more fear and anxiety. And in this climate, I'm

[3:13:43] Trustee Elliott: not ready to do that to this community. So I'd be in their favour.

[3:13:50] Trustee Elliott: What does section 4.2 say today?

[3:13:54] Trustee Elliott: The only change is the body, or if there are more than one, that last sentence.

[3:14:05] Trustee Elliott: So if that

[3:14:06] Voice 6: sentence were removed from this, you would...

[3:14:10] Trustee Elliott: Well,

[3:14:11] Voice 3: there's nothing to change.

[3:14:13] Voice 6: oh so okay gotcha um i

[3:14:27] Trustee Elliott: think it's these are these are difficult i mean i i share your concern

[3:14:33] Trustee Elliott: there are there are people who exploit situations and purposely are putting people into

[3:14:40] Trustee Elliott: dangerous situations um but hopefully we can talk about that through the report back um on that

[3:14:51] Trustee Elliott: My

[3:14:54] Voice 13: concern is that one is certainly acceptable because you know you need to live in a trailer

[3:15:01] Voice 13: for a certain amount of time to build your place or whatever and then maybe after you've built your

[3:15:07] Voice 13: place you might even be renting it out that might be okay too but why would you need more than one?

[3:15:17] Trustee Elliott: I think of various reasons somebody bought a plot of land lost their job

[3:15:24] Trustee Elliott: their elderly their parents moved on to it that's where they have to live and they need to travel

[3:15:29] Trustee Elliott: trailers and i'd like to know whether there is a valid reason for two trailers to be used as

[3:15:35] Trustee Elliott: residents there could be multiple family members they could be an exploitative landlord i we don't

[3:15:42] Trustee Elliott: know the number of trailers does not necessarily tell us the situation and that's why i think it

[3:15:49] Trustee Elliott: It needs to be case-by-case, because otherwise it's...

[3:15:53] Trustee Elliott: And how is it going to come to us case-by-case?

[3:15:56] Voice 13: It's bringing us a report.

[3:15:57] Voice 13: Oh, no, I mean, this is a bylaw change.

[3:16:00] Voice 13: This goes into our bylaws.

[3:16:02] Voice 13: Like, this is a permanent, you know, bylaw.

[3:16:05] Voice 13: It's a policy.

[3:16:06] Voice 13: So after we get this one report, this is a permanent policy.

[3:16:13] Voice 12: So...

[3:16:15] Voice 12: No, this policy is just a policy that you're adopting,

[3:16:19] Voice 12: and you can change it at any time, it's not permanent.

[3:16:23] Voice 12: So these policies are not bylaws.

[3:16:26] Voice 12: This is the LDC expressing its discretion

[3:16:30] Voice 12: on any specific matter, establishing policies

[3:16:33] Voice 12: and how bylaws officers are going to ask for compliance

[3:16:38] Voice 12: and do enforcement on them.

[3:16:40] Trustee Elliott: So we can change it after we have the report back next time.

[3:16:45] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:16:46] Trustee Elliott: That's how I think.

[3:16:47] Voice 13: Okay, I mean, you know,

[3:16:49] Voice 13: yeah hard and fast i'm just i am thinking about a couple of places where no one should be living in

[3:16:55] Voice 13: those just no one yeah yeah

[3:16:59] Trustee Elliott: and and the thing is is there aren't a significant number of complaints

[3:17:06] Trustee Elliott: that's that's what i wanted to find out with this report is this really a trend and i've had people

[3:17:12] Trustee Elliott: call me that say there's trailers at the end of my street and i'm like have you made a complaint

[3:17:17] Trustee Elliott: well no because we don't want to be identified and I'm like there's nothing I can do about it

[3:17:23] Trustee Elliott: people are if it's impacting you to make a complaint and and we'll go through the process

[3:17:32] Trustee Elliott: um and so that's what I keep encouraging people to do and you're very reasonable and you give us

[3:17:37] Trustee Elliott: great information and I've seen this work for other local trust committees that when we get

[3:17:42] Trustee Elliott: an in-camera report and trustees who are more familiar with the situation can go yeah that's

[3:17:48] Trustee Elliott: inappropriate direct enforcement to recommence there that is us doing our job amending this

[3:17:56] Trustee Elliott: policy based on numbers is not taking into account the human experiences that i think we need to know

[3:18:05] Trustee Elliott: before we can make the decision okay so more than two

[3:18:13] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:18:13] Trustee Elliott: Well, if that

[3:18:14] Voice 13: worked, we

[3:18:16] Trustee Elliott: still need to have a vote on it.

[3:18:21] Trustee Elliott: Carry the day here. All right. Is there any further discussion? I'll call the vote then

[3:18:28] Trustee Elliott: all those in favor. Okay. All those opposed that's defeated, but that will be revisited

[3:18:37] Trustee Elliott: after the next meeting. So, and I'm actually fine for it to be revisited. I think it's an

[3:18:42] Trustee Elliott: an ongoing conversation.

[3:18:45] Trustee Elliott: So I note that

[3:18:46] Trustee Elliott: the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[3:18:48] Trustee Elliott: requests staff to prepare amendments to

[3:18:50] Trustee Elliott: the Gabriel Island Local

[3:18:52] Trustee Elliott: Trust Committee bylaw enforcement

[3:18:54] Trustee Elliott: notification bylaw number

[3:18:56] Trustee Elliott: 263.11 for

[3:18:58] Trustee Elliott: consideration.

[3:19:00] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[3:19:03] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[3:19:05] Trustee Elliott: That one carries.

[3:19:07] Trustee Elliott: Is there any other business

[3:19:09] Trustee Elliott: on the pileup? So thank you

[3:19:11] Trustee Elliott: very much, Madam Chairman, for

[3:19:12] Trustee Elliott: ownership. Let's keep going forward here. So 13.1 is the Trust Conservancy highlights from

[3:19:22] Trustee Elliott: their February 21st meeting.

[3:19:27] Trustee Elliott: We're

[3:19:29] Voice 13: chatting along very nicely and we're happy to have Wendy Terrell.

[3:19:35] Voice 13: She was previously Species At-Risk Coordinator, so she's well informed when it comes to everything.

[3:19:46] Voice 13: that

[3:19:46] Voice 6: a joint meeting was made up thanks to you

[3:19:49] Voice 3: that's right a

[3:19:50] Voice 6: little bit of a conversation

[3:19:51] Voice 3: okay

[3:19:52] Voice 6: 15 here is um applications recorded or any questions on the application

[3:19:56] Voice 6: we had

[3:20:04] Voice 3: one about uh the last again

[3:20:16] Trustee Elliott: it's a 2024 subdivision that i don't require seeing before

[3:20:23] Trustee Elliott: or on page 242.

[3:20:27] Trustee Elliott: And it says administrative approval.

[3:20:29] Trustee Elliott: So subdivision 2024, 1.1 and 22.

[3:20:36] Trustee Elliott: When it says administrative approval,

[3:20:38] Trustee Elliott: we're just, we're out of the process.

[3:20:41] Trustee Elliott: Staff are just giving concurrence based on the bylaws.

[3:20:51] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:20:52] Voice 11: think I can at least give you a sense

[3:20:54] Voice 11: of where this application is at.

[3:20:56] Voice 11: The specific definition of administrative approval

[3:20:59] Voice 11: is that maybe it's kind of an automated system

[3:21:02] Voice 11: that puts in something there,

[3:21:04] Voice 11: but the most recent related activity

[3:21:06] Voice 11: was that we received the PLR from the province,

[3:21:12] Voice 11: which describes their terms for considering approval.

[3:21:17] Voice 11: And then from there,

[3:21:18] Voice 11: it really depends on the specific subdivision file

[3:21:21] Voice 11: as far as what might be required

[3:21:22] Voice 11: required from external agencies,

[3:21:24] Voice 11: but also from our legislative development

[3:21:26] Voice 11: for our head of arrogance.

[3:21:29] Voice 11: Did we need to see proof of water, sewage,

[3:21:31] Voice 11: those are, that's the stage where then

[3:21:33] Voice 11: that's been kind of confirmed from MLTT

[3:21:37] Voice 11: that yes, we want to see that stuff

[3:21:38] Voice 11: that you need to meet out of stress requirements.

[3:21:40] Voice 11: And yeah, they can start before they received that PLR,

[3:21:44] Voice 11: but typically that's the point where they can start

[3:21:47] Voice 11: making applications or things.

[3:21:50] Voice 11: So not to receive an application beforehand

[3:21:52] Voice 11: beforehand, because they're confident that the DP will be

[3:21:55] Voice 11: required.

[3:21:55] Voice 11: So

[3:21:55] Trustee Elliott: this particular file, we're not going to necessarily see, we

[3:22:01] Trustee Elliott: would only see it again, if it needs the approval of guessing

[3:22:07] Trustee Elliott: that EP or the issuance of the permit, which we don't defer

[3:22:13] Trustee Elliott: decision on because we are waiting for the penalty to come

[3:22:17] Trustee Elliott: back with a subdivision approval or not.

[3:22:20] Voice 11: Yeah, I think you will, you will see that, you won't see the subdivision because that's the referral that you'll see that development from back on your agenda because it hasn't been, it hasn't been issued.

[3:22:38] Voice 3: These are the same.

[3:22:44] Voice 3: Interesting.

[3:22:45] Voice 3: Any other questions?

[3:22:49] Trustee Elliott: Nope.

[3:22:52] Trustee Elliott: All right, so the next, your expense reports here for your patient,

[3:23:01] Voice 3: adopting

[3:23:02] Trustee Elliott: policies and the standing resolution.

[3:23:04] Trustee Elliott: Maybe that'll be a little shorter.

[3:23:07] Trustee Elliott: Any First Nations relationship building updates?

[3:23:13] Trustee Elliott: Oh, I don't know if it's sort of appropriate, but in the Nanaimo Awards in Culture

[3:23:24] Trustee Elliott: culture last night uh that's the name of member Satasya White was recognized and lauded I think

[3:23:34] Trustee Elliott: there's four recipients of the honor or two of the honor and culture and um and part of that was

[3:23:39] Trustee Elliott: sort of work with the Breaking Bannock program and so she was the cultural liaison and sort of

[3:23:46] Trustee Elliott: program coordinator which has brought so many incredible knowledge holders elders

[3:23:51] Trustee Elliott: Builders, Ocean's Day was celebrated at reserve number five,

[3:23:57] Voice 13: and,

[3:24:00] Trustee Elliott: you know, phoenic making

[3:24:03] Trustee Elliott: has been a theme, it's a big thing, but she was recognized by the City of Nanaimo, it's

[3:24:09] Trustee Elliott: a great little video featuring a couple of our Gabriel people, but she has really done

[3:24:15] Trustee Elliott: incredible service to both our communities and building bridges between the Nanaimo and

[3:24:21] Trustee Elliott: Gabriela community so that was uh it was really wonderful to see her recognized and celebrated

[3:24:27] Trustee Elliott: spring news and there's a film this evening right

[3:24:30] Trustee Elliott: i think is it sugarcane songs oh that's right yes yeah the all of the arts is long and there's a

[3:24:38] Trustee Elliott: number of activities and one is the screening of the documentary sugarcane thanks which is amazing

[3:24:46] Voice 3: um

[3:24:48] Trustee Elliott: any climate change action updates climate change is happening

[3:24:58] Trustee Elliott: and your local trustee web page is here there's instructions on that otherwise we have a work

[3:25:04] Trustee Elliott: program any questions on either your active or future projects so with that the next meeting

[3:25:22] Trustee Elliott: is going to be June 26th at 10 30 in the morning. Location spot. There's no other business. I'd

[3:25:31] Trustee Elliott: entertain a motion to adjourn. Competition for seconding and moving. So we are all those in

[3:25:39] Trustee Elliott: favor. We're done. Thank you everyone.

[3:25:44] Voice 3: Hi Debra. Hi Debra. This is Laura.