Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, April 28, 2025

[0:00:01] Voice 5: Good afternoon. Welcome, everybody, and thank you for joining us today for the regular business

[0:00:07] Voice 5: meeting of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee of April 28th, on a happily somewhat rainy day

[0:00:15] Voice 5: for a change. I'm the chair here of the Local Trust Committee, Toby Elliott, elected on

[0:00:22] Voice 5: Gabriela Island, and I'm joined, of course, by your two local trustees, Janine Dodds and David

[0:00:27] Voice 5: David Mott, and we've got our two island planners,

[0:00:30] Voice 5: or sorry, Island Planner, Nerissa Chadwick,

[0:00:33] Voice 5: and Bruce Selcher is joining us,

[0:00:36] Voice 5: who's an island planner too,

[0:00:39] Voice 5: working out of the south office.

[0:00:41] Voice 5: As always, we want to begin by acknowledging

[0:00:44] Voice 5: that we are living, working, and making decisions today

[0:00:46] Voice 5: on the traditional and unceded territories

[0:00:49] Voice 5: of the Coast Salish peoples,

[0:00:51] Voice 5: in particular, the Tsenchawhthyn-speaking peoples

[0:00:53] Voice 5: and of the state niche peoples.

[0:00:57] Voice 5: And so we want to uphold the principles of respect,

[0:01:01] Voice 5: reconciliation, reciprocity, and relationship building

[0:01:05] Voice 5: as we do our work today.

[0:01:08] Voice 5: So just so everyone knows,

[0:01:10] Voice 5: this meeting is being live streamed and recorded.

[0:01:12] Voice 5: For those unable to attend today,

[0:01:14] Voice 5: the recording will be available

[0:01:16] Voice 5: on the Islands Trust website within the next few days.

[0:01:19] Voice 5: This meeting is an official forum

[0:01:21] Voice 5: for your local trust committee to make decisions

[0:01:23] Voice 5: about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business and so as we

[0:01:29] Voice 5: move to approve the agenda trustees is there anything to add or

[0:01:36] Voice 5: amend or stuff we should mention the

[0:01:39] Voice 6: main career incident okay so I just want

[0:01:42] Voice 6: to say that we have members of the Filipino community who live on Main

[0:01:47] Voice 6: Island and that

[0:01:48] Voice 6: we would like to unanimously express our condolences to

[0:01:52] Voice 6: to the Filipino community within our area,

[0:01:56] Voice 6: as well as Vancouver and all of BC and all of Canada.

[0:01:59] Voice 6: So I think we're all touched by what happened.

[0:02:01] Voice 6: It's appropriate that we mention it in this meeting.

[0:02:04] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:02:05] Voice 5: Thank you, Trustee Dodds.

[0:02:06] Voice 5: Yes, it has affected so many people,

[0:02:11] Voice 5: pretty much communities all across BC.

[0:02:14] Voice 5: So thank you for that.

[0:02:18] Voice 5: Okay, so I'll approve the agenda as presented.

[0:02:22] Voice 5: it and uh and now we'll open our town hall and the opportunity to ask questions of your local

[0:02:30] Voice 5: trust committee um who can also ask questions of staff so i'll just remind you that this place is

[0:02:35] Voice 5: this is a place of employment and staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:02:40] Voice 5: so um if you've got questions or comments please stick to the issues and not personalities and

[0:02:48] Voice 5: direct your questions to the local trust committee and then we can ask staff as needed

[0:02:53] Voice 5: please if you want to address us just raise your hand state your name and go for it anybody here

[0:02:59] Voice 5: and oh sorry I forgot to say if you have an application that's on the agenda today

[0:03:03] Voice 5: you'll be given a chance to speak to that application so we can address it at that point

[0:03:09] Voice 5: if you want to address an application but you're not the applicant now is your chance to speak to

[0:03:15] Voice 5: one of the items on the agenda right

[0:03:17] Voice 11: yeah this is outside of the agenda but sure I guess the

[0:03:21] Voice 11: the infamous floating dock stuff is it something that i talk about

[0:03:26] Voice 5: absolutely yep so

[0:03:27] Voice 11: we have um

[0:03:28] Voice 11: we have a floating dock and um sorry

[0:03:32] Voice 5: where on

[0:03:33] Voice 11: 750 stewart drive cordon bay yes sorry

[0:03:37] Voice 11: and we had um so i was in contact with warren i think warren bingman so we had a conversation

[0:03:46] Voice 11: regarding the controversial docks, and prior to signing a consent letter, which we shouldn't have, but we did, in good faith,

[0:03:58] Voice 11: he had communicated to me that if I attach the dock to the uplands part of my property,

[0:04:07] Voice 11: therefore it becomes out of his hands, in essence, so almost word for word.

[0:04:13] Voice 11: he said if you attach the dock the floating dock to the uplands part of your property it becomes a

[0:04:20] Voice 11: transport canada thing so or or another file that gets so i went and spent a thousand bucks

[0:04:28] Voice 11: on chain and attached my my dock to the uplands part of our property and then i got a fifty four

[0:04:34] Voice 11: hundred dollar fine um shortly after that so i uh from

[0:04:40] Voice 21: which agency from

[0:04:42] Voice 11: uh warren's office i guess

[0:04:45] Voice 11: so the bylaw by law office by law i i didn't i couldn't find the folder at the last minute

[0:04:51] Voice 11: uh so just that discrepancy where all of my neighbors still have their floating dogs

[0:04:59] Voice 11: docs none of them were silly enough to sign the consent letter i guess so i did in kind of good

[0:05:07] Voice 11: faith and what warren had communicated to me so i'd like to have that on the record um and i mean

[0:05:14] Voice 11: i'll still pull the doc i'm not that interested in paying 50 or 100 bucks for a doc that's still

[0:05:20] Voice 11: sitting there with everybody else's docs in horton bay until the issues i guess dealt with

[0:05:27] Voice 11: or with everybody, so I don't mean to be of shit to everybody. So

[0:05:31] Voice 5: what are the dates,

[0:05:33] Voice 5: if I can just get up to speed, you might know, or just approximately?

[0:05:39] Voice 6: There are a whole lot of docks in Horton Bay anchored to marine buoys, which it's not zoned

[0:05:45] Voice 6: for, and

[0:05:46] Voice 6: my understanding is if you have a dock on your land and you attach your float to that dock

[0:05:53] Voice 6: and you've got a permit from the Ministry of Resources

[0:05:58] Voice 6: to have that dock, then

[0:06:00] Voice 6: that's legitimate

[0:06:02] Voice 6: because your property, I do believe, is zoned to have a dock,

[0:06:05] Voice 6: but you have to get permission to have the dock.

[0:06:07] Voice 6: So I don't know where the misunderstanding came from.

[0:06:11] Voice 6: That you should actually write up as a formal email

[0:06:14] Voice 6: to the trust committee to pass on,

[0:06:17] Voice 6: but that's usually how it works.

[0:06:20] Voice 6: If you've got a proper dock, then you can attach a float to it.

[0:06:23] Voice 6: My understanding is that all the various docks that are not attached to zoned legal ramps are not permitted.

[0:06:33] Voice 6: And that right now we understood we at the last meeting, we had a group who are going to apply for a temporary use permit who are

[0:06:40] Voice 6: storing their docks at Horton Bay for the winter.

[0:06:42] Voice 6: her right so

[0:06:43] Voice 6: that's the only group to my knowledge that we've heard from um and that the bigger

[0:06:47] Voice 6: question of all the individual docs out there that are not permitted under our city are just

[0:06:53] Voice 6: city in limbo because we don't permit it within our zoning okay and

[0:06:57] Voice 6: uh and we actually never

[0:06:58] Voice 6: formally i've never formally seen an application from a whole bunch of people with docs floating

[0:07:04] Voice 6: to ask us to either change the zoning it's zoning that we inherited from certainly i didn't create

[0:07:11] Voice 6: that's only right it's been around for a long time okay but

[0:07:14] Voice 6: the actual attach yeah you can't just

[0:07:15] Voice 6: chain a doctor for short no so i think if that you know and so i think you need to send us a

[0:07:21] Voice 6: letter and clarify something yeah and then you can then we can at least have some idea of how we can

[0:07:28] Voice 6: clarify what happened there okay perfect fair

[0:07:32] Voice 22: enough thank you for that okay

[0:07:33] Voice 5: thanks for your

[0:07:33] Voice 5: comments and attending today. Anyone else to address anything on the agenda or in

[0:07:42] Voice 5: the Local Trust Committee's jurisdiction or have any questions?

[0:07:48] Voice 14: Yeah I'll speak if

[0:07:49] Voice 14: that's right. We met last time. I'm Ben from Gooderswood Tree Care here with Mitch

[0:07:54] Voice 14: Bianchon, landowner. Liz Simon here, she's just here helping, assisting, taking notes

[0:08:01] Voice 14: while we're collating what we'll probably need to move forward

[0:08:05] Voice 14: on our situation.

[0:08:06] Voice 14: As Janine and David are aware, we're having difficulties

[0:08:10] Voice 14: with understanding what the parameters are around having

[0:08:13] Voice 14: a contract-less yard on what has been continuously termed

[0:08:18] Voice 14: residential in the appearance it gives the residential zoning

[0:08:23] Voice 14: and what is actually agriculture and silviculture

[0:08:28] Voice 14: as part of the land use and the multi-land use.

[0:08:32] Voice 14: I'm not here to speak specifically about that,

[0:08:35] Voice 14: and I know you don't want to,

[0:08:38] Voice 14: and we'll deal with the specifics of the case

[0:08:43] Voice 14: with the process that you have in place,

[0:08:46] Voice 14: so I appreciate that.

[0:08:47] Voice 14: What I'm

[0:08:48] Voice 14: here is more to make a statement

[0:08:49] Voice 14: and

[0:08:50] Voice 5: make

[0:08:51] Voice 14: a statement to Orleans Trust

[0:08:52] Voice 14: that you are not only letting down myself,

[0:08:56] Voice 14: myself, you're actually letting down the complainants with the process you currently have. And I've

[0:09:02] Voice 14: experienced, we had a Zoom meeting with Warren Dingman and David Worthington around, post

[0:09:10] Voice 14: the town hall there. I had a meeting with them, which I can only describe as a disgrace

[0:09:17] Voice 14: trace to Islands Trust. It has completely demolished the word trust. I don't know who

[0:09:26] Voice 14: gave you that other than it's an entity in itself. However, I don't see how any contractor

[0:09:32] Voice 14: could possibly trust, based on Oxford Dictionary, the Islands Trust. It was unprofessional,

[0:09:39] Voice 14: it was uh slanderous and there were um even a racial comment was made okay

[0:09:48] Voice 5: i'm gonna stop you

[0:09:49] Voice 5: there so when we're talking about um uh the understressed employees there is a process if

[0:09:55] Voice 5: you have complaints um i've

[0:09:57] Voice 14: been through it this is relative to my statement it's

[0:10:00] Voice 5: going to go

[0:10:00] Voice 5: through the cao so i will ask not to make statements about our staff in this ltc meeting

[0:10:07] Voice 5: because we cannot do anything about it.

[0:10:09] Voice 14: That wasn't about a staff member.

[0:10:11] Voice 14: That was about statements.

[0:10:15] Voice 14: It's reiterating the fact that Islands Trust is letting down

[0:10:22] Voice 14: the people it supposedly serves, not just myself,

[0:10:27] Voice 14: but also the complainants because here we are with a feud

[0:10:29] Voice 14: between myself and the local residents that is getting out of hand

[0:10:35] Voice 14: And none of us really have enough time on this planet to deal with it.

[0:10:41] Voice 5: I'm making a

[0:10:45] Voice 14: statement for the Red Board that you're letting us down.

[0:10:49] Voice 5: In what manner?

[0:10:51] Voice 14: That this would even be allowed.

[0:10:54] Voice 14: And I had the letter from the CAO stating the lack of professionalism that has been indicated by a staff member

[0:11:02] Voice 14: but that they were unprofessional in the way they handled the situations.

[0:11:06] Voice 14: I'm here to make a statement.

[0:11:08] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:11:11] Voice 5: This is really, it's not for us to adjudicate professional behaviour of our staff.

[0:11:21] Voice 5: Not

[0:11:21] Voice 16: asking for that.

[0:11:22] Voice 5: So I am unclear what you're asking the Local Trust Committee to do.

[0:11:27] Voice 5: And as far as making a statement for the public,

[0:11:30] Voice 5: this is not the appropriate place to talk about that there is a process and that goes to the cao

[0:11:36] Voice 5: if there's an issue with staff so

[0:11:37] Voice 14: you'd rather just put it behind a curtain no and

[0:11:41] Voice 14: not be present

[0:11:42] Voice 14: to the public that these things are actually in our community public

[0:11:46] Voice 5: is not here to adjudicate

[0:11:47] Voice 5: that it's a business play it's a place of employment and there is

[0:11:53] Voice 5: is there is a process to be followed if you have a complaint about staff.

[0:12:02] Voice 6: We, the local trust committee, do not deal with complaints about staff.

[0:12:06] Voice 6: That goes directly to the CAO of the Islands Trust.

[0:12:09] Voice 21: Thank you for explaining.

[0:12:10] Voice 6: That's who has to deal with it.

[0:12:12] Voice 6: And for you to come and talk about, obviously, you have problems,

[0:12:17] Voice 6: but you're talking to us about things we have no jurisdiction over.

[0:12:20] Voice 6: We also, you cannot be naming names.

[0:12:22] Voice 6: Those people aren't here.

[0:12:24] Voice 16: I didn't name names.

[0:12:24] Voice 6: Oh, I heard both names.

[0:12:27] Voice 6: So I think that you're sort of going beyond the area

[0:12:31] Voice 6: that we actually have jurisdiction over

[0:12:33] Voice 6: or that

[0:12:34] Voice 6: the community as a whole is here.

[0:12:36] Voice 6: Obviously, you have a problem with how the bylaw office works,

[0:12:38] Voice 6: and that problem has to go to the city.

[0:12:41] Voice 6: Oh,

[0:12:41] Voice 14: no, I have a problem with the process,

[0:12:42] Voice 14: and I think that's the point you missed at the part.

[0:12:44] Voice 14: The process is failing the people it's supposed to serve,

[0:12:48] Voice 14: not just myself, but also the complainants.

[0:12:50] Voice 6: But there again, that's the whole bylaw process

[0:12:53] Voice 6: this is an island stress one you can come yeah it's

[0:12:57] Voice 6: almost an island so

[0:12:58] Voice 5: each person if you're

[0:12:59] Voice 5: going to address this address this about your issues you can't really speak on behalf of other

[0:13:03] Voice 5: people in the community so the complainants if they have an issue they can come to your local

[0:13:08] Voice 5: trustees and talk to them about it um i do suggest that um you come and talk personally to your

[0:13:14] Voice 5: your trustees here if you have a problem with the process but I'm not clear about what is the

[0:13:25] Voice 5: purpose of making your statement here today. I

[0:13:28] Voice 14: thought this would be the perfect forum to

[0:13:30] Voice 14: actually try and present a voice that beyond one person the COO and I won't say his name

[0:13:37] Voice 14: has been extremely professional about the matter however the lack of trust this whole ordeal has

[0:13:44] Voice 14: is delivered with Islands Trust,

[0:13:47] Voice 14: I do not believe there's any corrective measures

[0:13:50] Voice 14: put in place for such things.

[0:13:52] Voice 14: You've just referenced, what did you reference?

[0:13:55] Voice 14: Respect, reconciliation and relationship building.

[0:14:00] Voice 14: None of that was shown, is shown.

[0:14:04] Voice 14: It's just words you're using.

[0:14:07] Voice 14: And I'm here to say the process has failed.

[0:14:11] Voice 14: and

[0:14:12] Voice 10: it's

[0:14:13] Voice 14: failing because I've spoken to many other people

[0:14:15] Voice 14: and the one word that continually comes back

[0:14:21] Voice 14: about Ireland's trust

[0:14:23] Voice 14: without referencing the bylaw's officers

[0:14:27] Voice 14: is bullying.

[0:14:28] Voice 14: The other word that gets tagged to it

[0:14:32] Voice 14: is intimidation

[0:14:33] Voice 14: by the people that are supposed to be serving us

[0:14:37] Voice 14: as per your tagline

[0:14:38] Voice 14: and I'm here in this building

[0:14:43] Voice 14: because i don't feel like the little guy has a voice and who can i trust sitting on this panel

[0:14:51] Voice 14: not one of you at this point

[0:14:52] Voice 5: okay so we've heard your comments

[0:14:54] Voice 14: yep and

[0:14:55] Voice 5: um we are this is a public

[0:14:58] Voice 5: record of uh your feelings and experience in the process yep and

[0:15:02] Voice 5: so mission accomplished uh thank

[0:15:04] Voice 5: you sir uh

[0:15:08] Voice 16: do you have anything else that you think should be added regarding um anything

[0:15:15] Voice 16: Anything specific

[0:15:16] Voice 14: to our, how would you like to term it, our case?

[0:15:21] Voice 14: Anything

[0:15:22] Voice 5: specific to your case should be handled through the process.

[0:15:25] Voice 5: We do not have the ability to influence this other than to set priorities

[0:15:30] Voice 5: and to set policy.

[0:15:34] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:15:35] Voice 14: Then in terms of the policies then, I think the other massive challenge

[0:15:40] Voice 14: we've had, if you're interested, if you're interested in listening.

[0:15:44] Voice 14: same well

[0:15:44] Voice 5: it's it's it's pretty much going beyond the bounds of what we can do right now because

[0:15:49] Voice 5: i'm not hearing a request for what is being asked of the local trust committee okay

[0:15:55] Voice 14: here's a request

[0:15:56] Voice 14: then here's the request that you're asking for is to is to reassess how you've written the bylaws

[0:16:04] Voice 14: which don't match the repeated words intent and interpretations so

[0:16:11] Voice 5: okay so thank you because

[0:16:12] Voice 14: Because they're not matching the information that certain people

[0:16:17] Voice 14: within Ireland's trust are giving us to the black and white words

[0:16:22] Voice 14: that are written on the bylaws.

[0:16:24] Voice 14: So

[0:16:24] Voice 5: you disagree with the interpretation of the bylaws?

[0:16:28] Voice 14: I don't.

[0:16:29] Voice 14: I agree with the bylaws.

[0:16:31] Voice 14: But what's happening is dialect is being selectively produced

[0:16:36] Voice 14: and to suit a narrative that fits the deliberations

[0:16:45] Voice 14: that are given by Islands Trust.

[0:16:48] Voice 5: I think we can just say...

[0:16:49] Voice 14: And that's the challenge.

[0:16:51] Voice 5: Can I just clarify?

[0:16:52] Voice 5: You disagree with how staff is interpreting the land use by-laws?

[0:16:56] Voice 11: Yep.

[0:16:56] Voice 5: That's essentially it.

[0:16:57] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:16:58] Voice 5: Great.

[0:16:59] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:17:00] Voice 5: You're welcome.

[0:17:02] Voice 5: Problem clarified.

[0:17:04] Voice 5: Is there anybody else?

[0:17:12] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:17:15] Voice 5: We'll now close the town hall and thank you.

[0:17:19] Voice 5: I believe we're going to continue on with our agenda.

[0:17:25] Voice 16: Thanks for talking with Willie.

[0:17:31] Voice 10: So

[0:17:43] Voice 5: carrying on with minutes at 7.1,

[0:17:47] Voice 5: we've got local trust committee special meeting minutes

[0:17:50] Voice 5: dated February 12th, 2025 for adoption.

[0:17:55] Voice 5: action um are there any changes or anything else that needs clarifying yeah

[0:18:04] Voice 6: dave was there anything

[0:18:05] Voice 6: in here about that we didn't really agree with the wells just there should be a note to say that

[0:18:12] Voice 6: we strongly disagreed with the analysis in terms of the number of drilled wells like i personally

[0:18:19] Voice 6: only have one not eight no

[0:18:22] Voice 12: but but i think the thing is is it was the wells it was the

[0:18:26] Voice 12: necessity of the systems it was saltwater intrusion right so

[0:18:30] Voice 12: i didn't

[0:18:32] Voice 12: have a lot of

[0:18:32] Voice 12: confidence the whole presentation so right somewhere

[0:18:35] Voice 6: it should say that but

[0:18:36] Voice 5: did say um

[0:18:37] Voice 5: to discuss well the third to the last bullet having no confidence um but if you want to add

[0:18:44] Voice 5: clarity on the wells where would that be yeah that's what i was just it's

[0:18:52] Voice 5: okay

[0:18:52] Voice 8: oh

[0:18:58] Voice 6: see it is your concern was raised about inaccuracies okay i missed that so i

[0:19:02] Voice 6: withdraw my comment it

[0:19:05] Voice 6: was there that that one specifically okay is there um and then

[0:19:09] Voice 6: comments right would be further refined um which okay i'm okay then with the minutes

[0:19:17] Voice 6: is that okay

[0:19:20] Voice 5: right so um i take it by general consent the minutes of um february 24th 2025

[0:19:27] Voice 5: be adopted that

[0:19:28] Voice 12: was february 12th

[0:19:29] Voice 5: oh sorry every 12 thank you minutes of february 12th 2025 be

[0:19:34] Voice 5: adopted special meeting and now the minutes of february 24th the regular meeting so i would

[0:19:42] Voice 12: have two teeny weenie weenies uh page 11 uh we'll run the trustee reports um for my report um it

[0:19:50] Voice 12: mentions of the the cowichan regional district that's he was apparition so that's just a little

[0:19:55] Voice 12: obscene and the other just the typo thingy is i know uh repeatedly trustee dogs is referred to as

[0:20:01] Voice 12: trusting dog

[0:20:02] Voice 6: thank you oh okay you're in right you're very sharp it

[0:20:11] Voice 12: does mean that we pay

[0:20:12] Voice 12: attention i think these are little tests they put in it

[0:20:18] Voice 5: is i'm suddenly wondering did regional

[0:20:21] Voice 5: planning committee meet twice in january okay i must have said it we did yep okay um excellent

[0:20:32] Voice 5: Excellent. So we'll adopt the minutes of February 24th as amended and recognizing Trustee Dodds.

[0:20:40] Voice 5: She probably had an S.

[0:20:41] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:20:42] Voice 5: Her last name for the last however many months.

[0:20:45] Voice 5: A long time.

[0:20:46] Voice 5: Excellent.

[0:20:47] Voice 5: Okay, so we'll move into the follow-up action list, page 13.

[0:20:51] Voice 5: Any questions for staff or items for updating?

[0:20:57] Voice 5: updating

[0:20:57] Voice 7: so i just wanted to mention um uh with the first two items they completed they haven't

[0:21:04] Voice 7: actually been completed but they're sort of what they're sort of integrated into the process so

[0:21:10] Voice 7: basically the conversation with the pack has not happened but but they will be contacted through

[0:21:15] Voice 7: the um referral process on the file house and that'll be an opportunity to talk about whether

[0:21:19] Voice 7: they want more units or what have you um and then

[0:21:22] Voice 7: there hasn't been a conversation with the main

[0:21:25] Voice 7: land conservancy, that discussion is about trying to identify who might want to be able to hold land for housing.

[0:21:34] Voice 7: And I think that's something that needs to start to explore a little bit on that.

[0:21:39] Voice 7: So it's just an inaccuracy in the way that the tool is pushed.

[0:21:55] Voice 5: All right. All right. All right. All right.

[0:21:59] Voice 5: Right. So we have no delegations today. And so moving into correspondence, I had wanted this

[0:22:08] Voice 5: added item 10.1. This was a letter that originated or a request that originated with the main local

[0:22:15] Voice 5: trust committee many years ago or many months ago. And it ended up had to go to executive

[0:22:24] Voice 5: committee to request that it be written on behalf of Islands Trust because it's

[0:22:29] Voice 5: about advocacy for a provincial program so I do I did see that there was an

[0:22:38] Voice 5: update in a response from the ministry and that's been added to our website so

[0:22:45] Voice 5: just for everyone's information there was one there was not an expansion of

[0:22:53] Voice 5: the program, but they should actually go to it. So if you go to the Island's Trust website,

[0:23:02] Voice 4: just give me a second here.

[0:23:12] Voice 3: Advocacy, there we go.

[0:23:20] Voice 5: Maybe it didn't come back yet. Sorry,

[0:23:22] Voice 5: it's not on the website yet. I thought I'd seen an answer. Anyway, if an answer comes back,

[0:23:29] Voice 5: I will add it to the agenda. Okay, make sure it's added to the agenda. Okay, 11.1,

[0:23:40] Voice 5: We've got a referral from Galeano, Salt Spring, Salt Turner, one of the S's, Salt Turner,

[0:23:56] Voice 5: sorry, Salt Spring Local Trust Committee referral for proposed bylaw number 543.

[0:24:01] Voice 5: three um trustees any uh potential impacts or discussion on this referral for an administrative

[0:24:11] Voice 5: definition of public works facility in the land use bylaw no

[0:24:15] Voice 6: i move that the main island local

[0:24:17] Voice 6: trust committee's interests are not affected by the salt spring island bylaw number 543

[0:24:22] Voice 6: excellent

[0:24:24] Voice 5: moved and seconded by trustee ahmad any discussion all those in favor

[0:24:30] Voice 5: and that is carried thank you i

[0:24:32] Voice 16: still want to sit one of these things back

[0:24:34] Voice 5: i know we are affected

[0:24:38] Voice 5: um 11.2 uh referral from galliano island local trust committee draft bylaw number 291

[0:24:45] Voice 5: page 24 so this is to rezone the 85 hectare property to two split split zones yeah okay

[0:24:55] Voice 6: And there again, I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust By-law number 291 is not, that the Galliano Local Trust Committee is not, are unaffected by By-law 291.

[0:25:13] Voice 5: Seconded by trustee Dodd and all those in favor?

[0:25:16] Voice 5: That is carried.

[0:25:18] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:25:19] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:25:19] Voice 5: Thank you. So now we come to our three DVPs or two DVPs. So we've got file DVP 2024-03-04-9 and I'll turn it over to Bruce to introduce.

[0:25:37] Voice 5: Thank

[0:25:38] Voice 20: you. So yes, the new DVP application for 509 Dalton Drive to relax the interior lot line setback requirement and increase the maximum lot coverage.

[0:25:50] Voice 20: and increased the building owner of accessible buildings permitted on the subject property

[0:25:55] Voice 20: to allow the construction of the Michiela building and those specific variances are to allow three

[0:26:01] Voice 20: accessory buildings instead of two. A total of 22.6 percent plot covered with sort of 20 percent

[0:26:09] Voice 20: and the building could be sited 1.11 meters from a sidewalk instead of 32 meters.

[0:26:15] Voice 20: The application's rationale for the variances is to allow the new construction of an accessory

[0:26:22] Voice 20: building to be used as a garage, office, and gym building, and the proposed siting within

[0:26:29] Voice 20: that three meters interior lot line was chosen due to the lot having a narrow layout and

[0:26:35] Voice 20: limiting the ability to site the garage without blocking any existing driveway.

[0:26:44] Voice 20: The new accessory building would be non-compliant with these two requirements due to existing

[0:26:50] Voice 20: accessory buildings being a greenhouse and a shed already on the lot and the property

[0:26:55] Voice 20: has an existing lot coverage of 75% and we would create about 88 square meters of lot

[0:27:07] Voice 20: And the proposed garage will be located on an area mostly consistent with our lawn.

[0:27:13] Voice 20: So now trees are expected to be removed for the new construction and one of the existing

[0:27:20] Voice 20: accessory buildings is sited illegally in the interior side of the lot line.

[0:27:25] Voice 20: Setbacks may be non-compliant, though it is not included as part of this variance application.

[0:27:29] Voice 20: Um, and following public notification period, there's been four letters of support, including

[0:27:36] Voice 20: the most basic neighbor, most impacted neighbor by the new building setting and one letter

[0:27:43] Voice 20: not in support.

[0:27:44] Voice 20: Uh, the proposed grandness is will not permit the owner to use the new accessory building

[0:27:49] Voice 20: after dwelling and all of the requirements in the land use bylaw would still apply to

[0:27:53] Voice 20: the property.

[0:27:54] Voice 20: And the staff considers that the rationale for the siting of the garage is reasonable

[0:27:58] Voice 20: and the proposed lot coverage following construction

[0:28:01] Voice 20: is not an excessive amount over the allowable

[0:28:04] Voice 20: and the new building in Providence,

[0:28:06] Voice 20: LAF does not significantly diverge

[0:28:08] Voice 20: from the existing community character.

[0:28:10] Voice 20: Along Dalton Drive, so based on all of these considerations,

[0:28:14] Voice 20: staff recommend that the main island

[0:28:16] Voice 20: local trust community approve the issuance

[0:28:18] Voice 20: of file PL-2024-0345.

[0:28:24] Voice 20: Thanks.

[0:28:24] Voice 5: Thank you so much.

[0:28:26] Voice 5: Thank you very much. And is the applicant here today? Yes, hello. Would you like to speak to your application or address this in any way?

[0:28:35] Voice 18: The only thing I would add is if you actually just looked at the residence itself, it's only 1,800 square feet or 18,000 square feet.

[0:28:48] Voice 18: lot a lot of the uh excess if you will is just the sundex and covered verandas

[0:28:53] Voice 10: things

[0:28:54] Voice 18: around i know that all still counts but it's

[0:28:56] Voice 18: not exactly a closed building everywhere

[0:29:04] Voice 5: okay questions uh from trustee i

[0:29:07] Voice 12: just i just i don't know if it's a new format but just

[0:29:10] Voice 12: compliment on on the brevity of the of the staff report it's it's it's really clear it's really

[0:29:16] Voice 12: example sometimes we get these things and they're really really thick and i just i really appreciate

[0:29:21] Voice 12: the content is to the point and then well done to appreciate the presentation yeah um and unless

[0:29:29] Voice 12: just you don't say anything i just

[0:29:31] Voice 6: have a comment that's first time we've ever or to my knowledge

[0:29:35] Voice 6: i've ever had to um vary the actual lot coverage but it's really well explained and and knowing

[0:29:41] Voice 6: the property driving by a million times I certainly agree with that the planner

[0:29:46] Voice 6: is recommending so I've

[0:29:48] Voice 5: said a question maybe for you since you're here was

[0:29:53] Voice 5: there a reason you chose not or not to add in the other access

[0:30:00] Voice 5: shed dwelling that's all already there that's outside of that's currently not compliant um

[0:30:05] Voice 5: that could have been added to this dvp as well to bring it in compliance honestly

[0:30:11] Voice 18: i kind of hated

[0:30:12] Voice 18: to ask for way too many things oh okay

[0:30:14] Voice 18: i thought maybe we were risking it's uh you know it's a it's

[0:30:18] Voice 18: a lovely shed jenny's probably seen it but

[0:30:22] Voice 18: you know it's a woodshed sitting on a wood foundation

[0:30:25] Voice 18: it's not going to last forever at some point if somebody ever said get that off your property i

[0:30:30] Voice 18: would either move it or tear it down once the garage is built it wouldn't be the end of the

[0:30:34] Voice 18: world i hate to lose any intent but it you know wouldn't be the end of the world right um and just

[0:30:39] Voice 18: i'll just throw you one other comment just i have to say i find it really weird that a plastic

[0:30:44] Voice 18: greenhouse is considered a structure for accounting purposes i guess you got to call it something

[0:30:49] Voice 18: something right you know greenhouse could blow over in a stiff wind right so

[0:30:53] Voice 18: hey it's just kind

[0:30:54] Voice 18: of fun that was funny to me that that was actually considered much true true

[0:30:59] Voice 6: okay thank you I move

[0:31:03] Voice 6: that the main island local trust committee approved issuance of pldvp 2024-03-49

[0:31:10] Voice 5: seconded

[0:31:12] Voice 5: Moved and seconded by Trustee Mott. Any further discussions?

[0:31:18] Voice 5: Peers? No. So I'll call for the vote. All those in favor?

[0:31:22] Voice 5: That is carried. Congratulations, sir.

[0:31:25] Voice 16: You

[0:31:26] Voice 5: get to keep your woodshed, greenhouse, and shed.

[0:31:31] Voice 6: I was going to say, too, with the greenhouses,

[0:31:33] Voice 6: I mean, how would you, I mean, because people could put humongous big greenhouses.

[0:31:38] Voice 6: For sure. It's hard to come up with a specific definition of accessory

[0:31:41] Voice 6: that would cover everything

[0:31:42] Voice 10: well

[0:31:43] Voice 18: i know i know in my own thinking you know first of all it was

[0:31:46] Voice 18: under the hundred square feet now that this means i don't understand the rules up front but

[0:31:50] Voice 18: um under 100 square feet plastic building to me it was sort of like kind of nothing

[0:31:55] Voice 18: and then later to learn it's actually a structural yeah

[0:31:58] Voice 6: even

[0:32:00] Voice 18: though you don't need

[0:32:00] Voice 6: a permit for that

[0:32:01] Voice 6: i mean people can put five of those in without a permit but that

[0:32:06] Voice 18: was actually part of the logic

[0:32:07] Voice 18: when I cited the shed where it is being as it was under 100 square feet as well I didn't know

[0:32:14] Voice 18: that it was subject but I didn't ask either so that's my fault that was it anyway. We're learning

[0:32:20] Voice 4: all the time.

[0:32:21] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[0:32:22] Voice 5: Thank you. All right we'll go to the next application Iredale

[0:32:34] Voice 5: and again I'll turn it over to Bruce. Thanks.

[0:32:38] Voice 20: So this is a new application for 5.5 road which

[0:32:44] Voice 20: lacks the interior lot line setback requirement and the exterior lot line setback requirement

[0:32:51] Voice 20: and increase the maximum height regulation for the construction of a new accessory garage.

[0:32:56] Voice 20: So the variances would allow the new building to be sited within 0.85 meters of the interior

[0:33:02] Voice 20: side lot line instead of 3 meters and to be sited within 1.8 meters of the exterior lot

[0:33:09] Voice 20: line setback instead of 4.5 meters and the height variance would increase the allowable

[0:33:14] Voice 20: height to 5.45 meters instead of 5 meters.

[0:33:18] Voice 20: And the applicant's rationale for the new building is to replace the previous garage

[0:33:23] Voice 20: that existed on the same foundation since around 1965, I suppose.

[0:33:29] Voice 20: Unheated garage replacement is substantially the same in design as the original building

[0:33:34] Voice 20: and will remain unheated with no insulation or interior finish.

[0:33:40] Voice 20: And the application was opened following a stop order from the CRD building inspector

[0:33:45] Voice 20: due to the garage being constructed without a building permit.

[0:33:48] Voice 20: And Islands Trust bylaw enforcement confirmed that the structure was not sited lawfully

[0:33:53] Voice 20: to stride a building existing on the same location prior, and the applicant chose to

[0:33:58] Voice 20: apply for a variance to bring the building into compliance so that the building permit

[0:34:02] Voice 20: can be completed and the construction can also be completed.

[0:34:06] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:34:08] Voice 20: The property also has an existing principal dwelling and an accessory building.

[0:34:14] Voice 20: Zoning permits the property to have up to four accessory buildings, as well as tenants'

[0:34:20] Voice 20: limitations.

[0:34:21] Voice 20: Following the owner's notification, there have been three letters in support and three

[0:34:27] Voice 20: letters against the application.

[0:34:30] Voice 20: The proposed variances would not permit the owner to use the new accessory building as

[0:34:35] Voice 20: a dwelling, and all other requirements of the land use by-law would still apply to the

[0:34:40] Voice 20: property.

[0:34:40] Voice 20: and staff consider that the rationale for siting the garage on the same

[0:34:45] Voice 20: foundation of the historical garage to be reasonable and be anticipated with

[0:34:50] Voice 20: major impacts on the neighboring properties. Based on all this, staff recommend that the

[0:34:57] Voice 20: Maine Island Local Trust Committee approve the issuance of file number PLDVP

[0:35:04] Voice 20: 20 25 0 0 6 1 okay

[0:35:10] Voice 5: thank you and is the applicant here or online to uh speak to us today

[0:35:19] Voice 5: i

[0:35:20] Voice 19: think mr aridale is listed here as the applicant in firedale yeah

[0:35:24] Voice 19: he was the architect on the

[0:35:26] Voice 19: project oh i see um i don't know are you there mr aridale but i'm happy to answer any are you

[0:35:38] Voice 5: the landowner yes oh i see thank you um sure well thank you for being here i don't see mr arldale

[0:35:46] Voice 5: online yeah

[0:35:48] Voice 19: he said he was going to try to zoom in i've

[0:35:51] Voice 5: got a kevin weber but everybody else is bc

[0:35:53] Voice 5: fairies um okay well you know maybe you'll have to answer the questions uh if we have any um yeah

[0:36:03] Voice 5: I don't

[0:36:04] Voice 6: have any questions it's basically replacing what's there and I

[0:36:08] Voice 6: think the concerns

[0:36:10] Voice 6: that were expressed in the letters opposed just needed more more information or more

[0:36:16] Voice 6: understanding about what a variance is for so yeah

[0:36:20] Voice 12: I certainly concur it's it would be different

[0:36:24] Voice 12: if there was nothing there and now somebody's halfway built a building and everything's

[0:36:30] Voice 12: appropriate but it's being built on the foundations of something that dates past 60 years so i put my

[0:36:37] Voice 12: grandfather hat on going like you know this is it's been there it it it's survived within the

[0:36:43] Voice 12: community um my only thing for the applicant um is it um it does say here which is doesn't influence

[0:36:53] Voice 12: me in one shape or another but i don't i like things to be right and it says the garage space

[0:36:56] Voice 12: basis onto the cul-de-sac, we had a picket picket bay road and services only this property as well

[0:37:00] Voice 12: as two neighboring properties. When in fact it goes past Hewitt, there's a beach access there

[0:37:04] Voice 12: all that. So I like to stick to the facts. But that said, either way does not influence me one

[0:37:15] Voice 12: way or the other. It's uncomfortable is what it is and I'm certainly comfortable to approve the

[0:37:20] Voice 12: variance

[0:37:21] Voice 19: respond to go ahead but i think you're alluding to what the effect is on the neighbors

[0:37:29] Voice 19: i was really pleased to get emails phone calls from exactly those neighbors and i think there

[0:37:38] Voice 19: were a number of letters that were solicited i didn't solicit any letters these came from those

[0:37:44] Voice 19: neighbors you know who those neighbors are patty the Calder's the marshes so

[0:37:51] Voice 19: that makes me feel that they are immediate neighbors and they feel that

[0:37:56] Voice 19: this is as you said basically something that happened my mistake I didn't know

[0:38:02] Voice 19: that this required a involvement in terms of a permit I did notice that it's

[0:38:14] Voice 19: a different category of permit than the normal permit would be in terms of the amount of money

[0:38:19] Voice 19: involved i presume that's to assume assure that the project goes forward as indicated

[0:38:27] Voice 19: so we're pleased that the neighbors feel that that's you know that's what they'd like to see

[0:38:34] Voice 19: okay

[0:38:34] Voice 6: yeah and this bill if you saw it i mean it's beside the house is taller bigger bulkier

[0:38:40] Voice 6: And it's also set on a sloped piece of property, so it doesn't impede anyone's.

[0:38:45] Voice 6: It

[0:38:45] Voice 19: was actually the perfect place.

[0:38:47] Voice 19: Yeah, it was very innocuous.

[0:38:49] Voice 19: We're very happy that Mr. Melgaard, who you remember, I should say,

[0:38:54] Voice 19: chose the right places with these properties.

[0:38:57] Voice 19: But 20, 60 years of a wood structure required fixing.

[0:39:02] Voice 10: I

[0:39:03] Voice 19: hadn't realized to what extent it required fixing.

[0:39:07] Voice 19: I guess that's the best way to put it.

[0:39:09] Voice 5: Right. So, so I was, and not being familiar with your community, I was, I was reading through the correspondence that's, you know, concerned about the impacts and whether the high mezzanine could be converted to some type of dwelling unit or whatever, but you have no intention to use it for as anything.

[0:39:29] Voice 5: No,

[0:39:30] Voice 19: it has no water. And we have plenty of dwelling. Our house is 2400 square feet. Beautifully

[0:39:37] Voice 19: built. Hadn't really had to change anything. And

[0:39:42] Voice 19: then we have an accessory, as you pointed

[0:39:45] Voice 19: out, where the guard lived while he built the regular house, the interior. Basically,

[0:39:52] Voice 19: that's it.

[0:39:53] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:39:53] Voice 12: It does appear to me that there's not really the headroom there. I don't think anybody

[0:39:59] Voice 12: may be very comfortable.

[0:40:00] Voice 6: It's not tall enough for a Swiss.

[0:40:02] Voice 5: I mean, if there's really a housing crisis and we need to come

[0:40:05] Voice 5: to you to convert that into

[0:40:07] Voice 5: a house. If it's

[0:40:08] Voice 19: for senior housing, I'd

[0:40:09] Voice 19: have no...

[0:40:12] Voice 5: All right.

[0:40:13] Voice 5: Well, thank you for answering.

[0:40:15] Voice 5: Thanks for answering our questions.

[0:40:17] Voice 5: I'm comfortable.

[0:40:19] Voice 6: I move that the Main Island

[0:40:21] Voice 6: Local Trust Committee approve issuance of

[0:40:24] Voice 6: PLDBP

[0:40:25] Voice 6: 2024-03-490.

[0:40:27] Voice 6: no

[0:40:28] Voice 4: just a

[0:40:30] Voice 6: minute oh that's what i was wondering because up here it's actually 2025 oh so ignore

[0:40:37] Voice 6: my so it's actually pl dvp 2025 0061 oh thank

[0:40:43] Voice 6: you so the the other number is probably referring to

[0:40:47] Voice 6: the previous which is coffee okay

[0:40:48] Voice 5: yeah typo oopsie it's all good thank you for noticing that

[0:40:53] Voice 5: Oh, yeah, that's exactly like that.

[0:40:54] Voice 5: Do I have a second there now?

[0:40:57] Voice 5: Seconded by Trustee Mott.

[0:41:00] Voice 5: And so any further discussion?

[0:41:03] Voice 5: I'll call for the vote.

[0:41:05] Voice 5: All those in favor?

[0:41:06] Voice 5: That is carried.

[0:41:08] Voice 5: Thank you, sir.

[0:41:09] Voice 5: And it looks like you've got your temporary or your DVP.

[0:41:14] Voice 19: Right.

[0:41:14] Voice 19: So we can continue

[0:41:16] Voice 12: the work?

[0:41:18] Voice 12: Well, our staff will be contacting CRD.

[0:41:21] Voice 12: You can end yourself with a formal

[0:41:22] Voice 12: thing in the next couple of days.

[0:41:23] Voice 12: all right wait to get the email sorry

[0:41:26] Voice 19: yeah the only comment i'll make about the process i'm very

[0:41:29] Voice 19: happy i'm seeing the process i'm stressed is the time that this took to

[0:41:35] Voice 19: get to this point

[0:41:38] Voice 19: um i'm not aware of why mr iredale has been involved in a number of properties so i should

[0:41:44] Voice 19: ask him but it's 10 months oh wow wow and the trouble with that is as you would know

[0:41:50] Voice 19: No, we're going to have to replace a lot of the wood that's been exposed to the elements.

[0:41:57] Voice 19: So this

[0:41:58] Voice 19: has become a very expensive project.

[0:42:00] Voice 3: I see.

[0:42:01] Voice 19: And

[0:42:02] Voice 6: I don't know exactly, once you get the stop work order, that's the CRD who does that.

[0:42:10] Voice 7: We have been short-stopped.

[0:42:12] Voice 6: Oh, oh.

[0:42:13] Voice 7: We've been in a hiring process for some time.

[0:42:18] Voice 7: So that does affect the folks.

[0:42:21] Voice 19: Right.

[0:42:22] Voice 19: Well, just as a resident now for I don't know how many years, 35, 36 years,

[0:42:28] Voice 19: first time I've dealt with the Islands Trust in this way,

[0:42:31] Voice 19: I've supported other projects, et cetera.

[0:42:35] Voice 19: I heard such things as, and I won't mention any names,

[0:42:41] Voice 19: that the material went to the wrong mailboxes,

[0:42:45] Voice 19: that we should have been informed a lot more regularly um i have faith in mr ardell and i

[0:42:51] Voice 19: think the people that two or three of the people that wrote the letter said the same thing

[0:42:56] Voice 19: including our neighbor right to

[0:42:57] Voice 10: the

[0:42:58] Voice 19: other side we just did a major project

[0:43:01] Voice 19: so i just wonder how one can tighten up these things which involve construction which has a date

[0:43:10] Voice 19: uh where you're going to you know this began so there was exposure of everything that was

[0:43:19] Voice 19: under the roof and nothing is going to change you know what's there i mean it's going to be

[0:43:26] Voice 19: basically the same so i just want to point that out that timing is very important i guess you

[0:43:35] Voice 6: know unfortunately you got the stop work order if you had said i'm going to build and you had

[0:43:40] Voice 6: applied for a building permit if you'd started with applying for a building permit right off

[0:43:45] Voice 6: the bat they would have immediately said you need to get a variance to build what you want to build

[0:43:51] Voice 6: and so you wouldn't have started construction until you got your variance

[0:43:55] Voice 6: ideally yeah i do means

[0:43:57] Voice 19: that just in generally of the of the mechanism the method of no qualms with

[0:44:02] Voice 19: your report or how things are done it just seemed to be a long time for a um carport project okay

[0:44:13] Voice 19: thank you

[0:44:14] Voice 5: yes it does take time and we apologize for any delay on our process um i

[0:44:20] Voice 6: was going to

[0:44:21] Voice 6: say i think you'll find staffing issues even in municipalities probably are having the same

[0:44:26] Voice 6: unfortunate everybody

[0:44:27] Voice 5: needs planners everywhere okay

[0:44:31] Voice 19: thank you

[0:44:34] Voice 5: for coming

[0:44:35] Voice 5: today okay all

[0:44:37] Voice 19: right

[0:44:44] Voice 5: so we'll go now to our third

[0:44:47] Voice 5: dvp and a temporary use permit application uh dvp 2025 0 1 1 0 and tup 2025 0 1 0 5 with the

[0:44:59] Voice 5: bc ferry services and i see mr orphan and matang mr matanga online and mr chang hello welcome

[0:45:08] Voice 5: uh so we'll let the planner introduce uh the applications first and then you'll have a chance

[0:45:12] Voice 5: to speak to your application and we might have questions for you okay

[0:45:16] Voice 20: bruce yes these are two

[0:45:20] Voice 20: new applications the new value varies permit and temporary use from an application so there

[0:45:25] Voice 20: was a bc various terminal to allow uh shoreline stabilization structures within the setback to

[0:45:31] Voice 20: the actual laundry of the city and along which were adjacent to various terminals

[0:45:36] Voice 20: The applications were submitted to allow those structures to stabilize the ongoing erosion

[0:45:43] Voice 20: that's taking place along the shoreline that is causing a risk to the existing substation

[0:45:49] Voice 20: and rock their buildings like these various properties.

[0:45:54] Voice 20: The proposed structures were designed following a slope stability assessment in 2022 to prevent

[0:46:01] Voice 20: further erosion of the barren turngals.

[0:46:04] Voice 20: The design would include a shoreline armory riprap, which extends from the existing riprap

[0:46:10] Voice 20: along the foreshore, as well as a mesh wire secured with soil anchors extending up the

[0:46:19] Voice 20: slope from the natural boundary of the sea.

[0:46:22] Voice 20: The Island's Trust received a proposal as a crown piece for flow for the work along

[0:46:26] Voice 20: the foreshore, and it was determined that the work did not comply with zoning, the area

[0:46:32] Voice 20: area would need to be re-zoned, and the new mesh structure would require a variance for

[0:46:38] Voice 20: siting in the sub-battery from the natural boundary of the sea, and we see various applicants

[0:46:44] Voice 20: opting to apply for a temporary use permit with the intention of completing the work

[0:46:49] Voice 20: in the coming months, and instead apply for a re-zone before shore, following the issue

[0:46:55] Voice 20: of a TUB to bring the shoreline work into long-term compliance with the land use by-law.

[0:47:02] Voice 20: And if the two line use permits are approved, the anticipated visual impacts on neighboring properties would be minimal as the structure would not impact the view of any properties.

[0:47:13] Voice 20: The applicant has identified that de-vegetation will take place following construction, as well as hydro-seeding taking place before and after the installation.

[0:47:23] Voice 20: This will limit the visual appearance of the altered shoreline restoration area.

[0:47:31] Voice 20: Additionally, the Professional Engineers Report identifies adjacent properties to the east

[0:47:36] Voice 20: of the Village Bay barrier terminal are a low risk for potential erosion as the beach

[0:47:43] Voice 20: and bank slope are well protected by the bedrock and native rock wall, so the anticipated wave

[0:47:49] Voice 20: impacts of the new river drive on adjacent properties would be negligible.

[0:47:55] Voice 20: There are no identified sensitive ecosystems within the proposed development area, but

[0:48:01] Voice 20: nothing has identified eelgrass meadows and eelgrass portal in the presence of cases to

[0:48:07] Voice 20: the proposed riprap construction.

[0:48:11] Voice 20: The shoreline stabilization structures are designed to prevent further erosion of these

[0:48:16] Voice 20: the existing slope. So the soil is primarily soil where the erosion is taking place and the mesh

[0:48:24] Voice 20: wire secured with soil anchors would hold the existing soil in place and the riprap structure

[0:48:31] Voice 20: is designed to armor the shoreline at the toe of the slope to prevent wind and wave related erosion

[0:48:37] Voice 20: based on a high water analysis included in the professional engineer's report.

[0:48:42] Voice 20: If the permits are not approved, the shoreline may be at risk of further erosion due to really

[0:48:48] Voice 20: high rainfall events in the short term and sea level rise in the long term.

[0:48:52] Voice 20: The DC Ferries buildings adjacent to the slope may need to be removed or relocated from their

[0:48:59] Voice 20: distant location to allow their use to continue.

[0:49:02] Voice 20: The applicant could also explore alternative options.

[0:49:07] Voice 20: shorelines, shoreline stabilization that would not involve the structures

[0:49:11] Voice 20: cited in the National Boundary Setback and belong before

[0:49:15] Voice 20: if the application wasn't approved.

[0:49:19] Voice 20: And if the TUP is granted, the applicant would be permitted

[0:49:23] Voice 20: to begin construction work prior to completing the rezoning process

[0:49:27] Voice 20: for the foreshore adjacent to the property.

[0:49:30] Voice 20: A condition of the TUP would require the applicant to begin the application

[0:49:35] Voice 20: process for rezoning prior to expiry of the TUP. And if the TUP were to expire and a rezoning application was not made by the applicant, then the construction work would be non-compliant with the land use

[0:49:50] Voice 20: bylaw work would need to be removed and the site restored to its pretty certain condition

[0:49:55] Voice 20: staff considers that the proposed rationale is reasonable as shoreline

[0:49:59] Voice 20: stabilization structures can protect the village bay ferry terminal from further solar erosion

[0:50:05] Voice 20: and potential impacts to existing buildings and the proposed construction having limited

[0:50:10] Voice 20: impacts on adjacent properties the environment and public use of the village bay uh temporary

[0:50:17] Voice 20: use permit approval does not exempt the applicant from complying with the land use bylaw and the

[0:50:22] Voice 20: property zoning long term. And based on this, staff recommends that the Maine Island Local

[0:50:27] Voice 20: Trust Committee approve issuance of PLTUT 2025-0110 and approve issuance of PLTUT 2025-0105

[0:50:41] Voice 20: for a period of three years.

[0:50:43] Voice 20: Thanks.

[0:50:44] Voice 20: Okay.

[0:50:45] Voice 5: Thank you, Bruce.

[0:50:47] Voice 5: And so three of you there online,

[0:50:50] Voice 5: hello and welcome.

[0:50:51] Voice 5: Do you want to address

[0:50:53] Voice 5: local trust committee

[0:50:54] Voice 5: and make any statements

[0:50:55] Voice 5: about the application?

[0:50:57] Voice 5: And of course, if we have questions,

[0:50:59] Voice 5: we can direct them to you, I'm guessing.

[0:51:04] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:51:05] Voice 13: Hi, everyone.

[0:51:05] Voice 13: Thanks.

[0:51:06] Voice 13: Thanks for having us

[0:51:07] Voice 13: and apologize.

[0:51:09] Voice 13: We couldn't be there in person

[0:51:11] Voice 13: I'm tuning in or attending from the Lekwungen Nation here in Victoria, BC.

[0:51:17] Voice 13: I want to say thank you to Bruce for being great on this application and working with us here.

[0:51:27] Voice 13: Attending here with me, I have Jameson Matango, who's a project manager, and Derek Chain, the project coordinator.

[0:51:34] Voice 13: So any specific questions, they'll have all the information to that.

[0:51:38] Voice 13: that, but very high level. The project here is just to, you know, really increase the

[0:51:45] Voice 13: safety for our assets and operational ability at the main island, or Village Bay ferry terminal.

[0:51:53] Voice 13: And in doing so working with Bruce here, we are pursuing these applications. And yeah,

[0:52:01] Voice 13: thank you. Thank you for your time today.

[0:52:02] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:52:05] Voice 5: I have some questions, but I'll turn to you two first.

[0:52:10] Voice 12: Certainly, it all seems to me personally to make common sense. Certainly BC Perrys

[0:52:18] Voice 12: are an asset to Maine Island and the people of Maine Island,

[0:52:22] Voice 12: and I should be full endorsement, so thank you very much.

[0:52:32] Voice 5: Okay, so my questions have to do with the process. Why did you apply for a temporary

[0:52:36] Voice 5: use permit rather than just rezoning which might have taken the same amount of time anyways very

[0:52:44] Voice 13: good question and under your assertion that if they take the same time it would have made sense

[0:52:49] Voice 13: to just immediately go for the rezoning but my experience understanding of the two processes is

[0:52:56] Voice 13: that a temporary use permit generally um is reviewed much quicker than a rezoning or process

[0:53:03] Voice 13: much quicker so that and given the kind of emergency nature of our works that was the

[0:53:08] Voice 13: rationale for um proceeding with the tup um but given your explanation i think for future

[0:53:17] Voice 13: applications if it's a similar situation then we would likely just pursue the rezoning right away

[0:53:22] Voice 13: and given the scenario now i think my question subsequent to this meeting would be when would

[0:53:29] Voice 13: be the ideal time to initiate the rezoning so thank you

[0:53:33] Voice 10: well

[0:53:34] Voice 5: i shouldn't have said they they

[0:53:36] Voice 5: It would take approximately the same time.

[0:53:37] Voice 5: The process that is required through rezoning would trigger a lot of referrals,

[0:53:45] Voice 5: which is typically what takes a long time.

[0:53:47] Voice 10: My

[0:53:47] Voice 5: concern with this process is that by applying for a TUP to do the work

[0:53:52] Voice 5: and then after a rezoning, the work is essentially already done.

[0:53:58] Voice 5: So that opportunity to refer it to First Nations who might have concerns

[0:54:02] Voice 5: or may want cultural monitors on the site

[0:54:05] Voice 5: because it's foreshore,

[0:54:08] Voice 5: that opportunity is lost

[0:54:10] Voice 5: because essentially the work would already be done

[0:54:12] Voice 5: if this TUP is approved.

[0:54:13] Voice 5: So I'm a bit challenged with this process

[0:54:19] Voice 5: and I would actually want to see

[0:54:25] Voice 5: some referral to First Nations

[0:54:27] Voice 5: before this is actually approved

[0:54:32] Voice 5: because I just don't think it's a good process to do the work and then do a

[0:54:36] Voice 5: reason we essentially have to approve the rezoning or rip it out again my

[0:54:42] Voice 6: question would be is there not a protocol agreement that BC Paris would

[0:54:45] Voice 6: have when you're constructing you must have other projects you must have some

[0:54:50] Voice 6: sort of system in place you would bring in cultural advisors hmm

[0:54:55] Voice 10: yeah

[0:54:56] Voice 15: it may

[0:54:58] Voice 15: Maybe I can speak to that.

[0:54:59] Voice 15: Yeah, thank you very much for this opportunity.

[0:55:03] Voice 15: So we have engaged with the First Nations in the region, mainly the Satlip and Laiakson First Nations as part of the hazard identification permit that we are doing.

[0:55:26] Voice 15: doing the the archaeology permit that we we have initiated to to cater for all the

[0:55:36] Voice 15: the archaeologically sensitive artifacts that we might find on the terminal so so we are actually

[0:55:47] Voice 15: pursuing that route with the first nations and we are in communication with them on that

[0:55:55] Voice 5: Okay. And did this start when the Crown lease referral began? Like how far back is this going,

[0:56:06] Voice 5: sort of that engagement with LIACS and SARTLEP?

[0:56:10] Voice 15: Oh yeah, so we have a couple of projects on the terminal and one of them is the life extension

[0:56:20] Voice 15: project for Beth One

[0:56:22] Voice 15: so as part

[0:56:24] Voice 15: of that

[0:56:26] Voice 15: project we initiated

[0:56:28] Voice 15: the talks with the

[0:56:30] Voice 15: First Nations I think as far back as

[0:56:32] Voice 15: 2023

[0:56:33] Voice 15: when we were doing that work here

[0:56:36] Voice 15: Okay

[0:56:38] Voice 5: and has there been feedback

[0:56:41] Voice 5: any concern

[0:56:43] Voice 5: any desire

[0:56:45] Voice 5: to keep up with the

[0:56:47] Voice 5: project and make sure that there's

[0:56:51] Voice 5: any cultural

[0:56:52] Voice 5: modern place in case there is

[0:56:55] Voice 5: archaeologically

[0:56:56] Voice 5: sensitive material that is uncovered?

[0:56:59] Voice 15: Yes,

[0:57:00] Voice 15: we received some comments

[0:57:02] Voice 15: on the current application

[0:57:04] Voice 15: that we have in

[0:57:06] Voice 15: with the archaeology

[0:57:08] Voice 15: branch and we have sent back our

[0:57:11] Voice 15: responses

[0:57:11] Voice 15: to the archaeology branch.

[0:57:15] Voice 5: Okay, that's

[0:57:16] Voice 5: great. Thank you for

[0:57:18] Voice 5: that because it's not clear from the report but um if you're already engaged with the province on

[0:57:23] Voice 5: that and with first nations then it's the appropriate process good and

[0:57:30] Voice 12: i and i would

[0:57:30] Voice 12: know too is basically from my understanding of everything with the report is this is all

[0:57:35] Voice 12: basically on phil riprap has already been installed so it's not it's not excavation

[0:57:41] Voice 12: it's more adding to what has already been like modified is

[0:57:46] Voice 5: it not is it not extending the riprap

[0:57:49] Voice 5: Like this is the current zone one, and then it's extending it.

[0:57:56] Voice 5: Is that true that it's building on existing riprap, or is this a whole new?

[0:58:06] Voice 15: It's a new section of riprap.

[0:58:09] Voice 15: It's actually a 70-meter section.

[0:58:12] Voice 12: But adding on top, so no excavation, no things are going on top rather than disturbing?

[0:58:19] Voice 12: No,

[0:58:20] Voice 5: I thought it was extending out to here.

[0:58:22] Voice 12: Yeah, but they're not digging, they're putting things on top.

[0:58:26] Voice 5: Well, exactly.

[0:58:27] Voice 12: And it's a rock, it's basically it's a solid rock shelf, so.

[0:58:33] Voice 12: But they do know from other projects, BAC3s are immensely sensitive for stations.

[0:58:42] Voice 12: nations. For corporations, I believe they go well above and beyond almost anybody else.

[0:58:51] Voice 12: They are very sensitive.

[0:58:57] Voice 5: I did have a question about hydro seeding. It just caught my eye. Is that typical that

[0:59:08] Voice 5: that you hydro-seed a bank and is there any effort

[0:59:12] Voice 5: to make it, you know, native grasses

[0:59:14] Voice 5: or are we bringing in, you know, fertilizer

[0:59:17] Voice 1: and

[0:59:17] Voice 5: fescues and so on?

[0:59:20] Voice 5: Like is hydro-seeding normally done to stabilize the bank?

[0:59:24] Voice 5: Is there nothing else that's more vegetatively appropriate?

[0:59:30] Voice 15: Yeah, so for bank stabilization,

[0:59:33] Voice 15: We are using the soil nailing and the mesh and the hydro seeding was just for aesthetics and we have gotten the recommendation from our consultants and our environmental personnel.

[1:00:00] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you.

[1:00:05] Voice 5: Well, it's clear that it's important to me. There's no question.

[1:00:09] Voice 5: Again, my concern was that the process, that if the desire is to apply for a rezoning,

[1:00:15] Voice 5: it might have been more efficient to just do that rather than a temporary use permit

[1:00:19] Voice 5: because you're going to have to apply for a rezoning anyways.

[1:00:23] Voice 5: Anyways, so yeah, I think for future, we should go for the actual intent of what is desired.

[1:00:35] Voice 5: But I do recognize that there's a bit of a time sensitivity here and feeling that this

[1:00:41] Voice 5: was a quicker process.

[1:00:44] Voice 5: Any questions?

[1:00:45] Voice 6: No, no.

[1:00:45] Voice 6: But I wanted to say the TUP is very clear on the fact that a rezoning application comes

[1:00:50] Voice 6: immediately happening.

[1:00:53] Voice 6: it's not three years from now so I think and in terms of process it would seem to me rezoning is

[1:00:58] Voice 6: would take a lot longer because of advertising but then as UUP in terms of public process I

[1:01:05] Voice 6: think it takes a lot longer so so I think it's better to get this done this summer while they

[1:01:10] Voice 6: can then and work on rezoning but you're right after the and you're rezoning something after

[1:01:15] Voice 6: the fact but it's temporary use permit is an opportunity to practice a use

[1:01:21] Voice 6: yes there's no

[1:01:21] Voice 6: concerns after you're six months

[1:01:23] Voice 5: you're not going to rip out all the engineers

[1:01:25] Voice 6: like that no obviously not but obviously it will also have had to follow all the protocols that

[1:01:32] Voice 6: are in place especially for archaeological and that is referred to

[1:01:35] Voice 6: in here so i i don't have

[1:01:38] Voice 6: any issues but i think a lot of that material there is phil from when the dock was expanded

[1:01:43] Voice 6: i can go home and ask my husband who put a lot of it there

[1:01:48] Voice 5: yeah a

[1:01:49] Voice 6: lot of it is and

[1:01:50] Voice 5: the eelgrass um that's directly beside um what is the protection in

[1:01:59] Voice 5: place for that because i didn't really see any mitigation for the eelgrass meadows that's mapped

[1:02:06] Voice 5: out yeah

[1:02:08] Voice 15: so so we we have been in consultation with the dfo so they they flagged the the presence

[1:02:17] Voice 15: of the eelgrass there.

[1:02:20] Voice 15: And as part of the construction,

[1:02:24] Voice 15: when we go out to procure a contractor,

[1:02:29] Voice 15: we will list the constraints and the recommendations

[1:02:35] Voice 15: to protect the grass as per the recommendations

[1:02:39] Voice 15: we received from DFO.

[1:02:42] Voice 5: Oh, okay.

[1:02:43] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:02:52] Voice 5: Yes. All right. I have no further questions. I just really want to make sure that any time there's work being done in the foreshore, in the marine environment, that there is full, early and ongoing engagement with First Nations.

[1:03:08] Voice 5: And that is your responsibility. You are in contact with the archaeology branch. And so I'm thankful to hear that you've been doing that work.

[1:03:18] Voice 5: so we don't want to hold this up and I'll turn to you either of you want to make the motions

[1:03:24] Voice 5: if you feel ready I'll

[1:03:26] Voice 6: move that the main and local trust committee approve issuance of PL

[1:03:30] Voice 6: DVP 2025-0110

[1:03:34] Voice 5: seconded seconded moved and seconded by trustee trustee Dodds trustee

[1:03:40] Voice 5: Mott any further discussion okay all those in favor that is carried

[1:03:46] Voice 6: I move that the main and

[1:03:49] Voice 6: and the local trust committee approve issuance of pltup 2025-0105 for a period of three years

[1:03:57] Voice 5: okay moved and seconded by trustee mod any discussion all those in favor that is carried

[1:04:05] Voice 5: congratulations bc ferris you get to go do more work on behalf of the community of main island

[1:04:11] Voice 5: thank you thank

[1:04:13] Voice 13: you everyone and i'll uh proceed with the the rezoning here quickly so thank you

[1:04:18] Voice 13: thank you

[1:04:19] Voice 5: excellent take care thank

[1:04:22] Voice 15: you thank you great to meet you have a good day

[1:04:25] Voice 5: yeah you

[1:04:26] Voice 5: too have a good day uh okay do we need a break at all or do you want to move into the

[1:04:33] Voice 5: main meat of the well i shouldn't say that the uh the project for uh main island

[1:04:41] Voice 5: oh how did

[1:04:43] Voice 3: i see i keep

[1:04:43] Voice 5: skipping the crd one oh my gosh 11.6 can

[1:04:47] Voice 5: somebody else share the rest

[1:04:49] Voice 5: this meeting i'm clearly like out to lunch here uh it's just joking okay maine rezoning 2023.2

[1:04:56] Voice 5: uh for the crd uh the saint john point park and uh narissa chadwick yeah i mean

[1:05:01] Voice 7: you should have

[1:05:02] Voice 7: kevin webber i think he's in there yeah

[1:05:04] Voice 5: yes if we can promote kevin weber there you are

[1:05:08] Voice 5: thank you hello

[1:05:09] Voice 7: at some point and if you have questions kevin's here hey um from the crd park

[1:05:14] Voice 7: from CRB Parks. So this is the rezoning of the St. John's Point Park. At the February meeting,

[1:05:26] Voice 7: the LTC passed their resolution to have staff draft bylaws and then send them up for referral.

[1:05:38] Voice 7: So we drafted the bylaws but we didn't send them up for referral because we felt that it was

[1:05:43] Voice 7: important for you to have a look and see what the bylaw is because um you know it is a very specific

[1:05:50] Voice 7: site uh society specific zoning and i thought it was important for you to have a look at that

[1:05:55] Voice 7: before we sent it out to other people and so the way that this so this property is is um it's zoned

[1:06:03] Voice 7: split zoned both agricultural and and uh and rural and the the agricultural portion was in

[1:06:14] Voice 7: the agricultural land reserve and the crd did get uh they did get their permission for non-farm

[1:06:21] Voice 7: use in that area so the agricultural um zone portion of the property also happens to be it

[1:06:29] Voice 7: It happens to be the portion where all of their, where their parking lot, like basically their park hub is located.

[1:06:38] Voice 7: And so it just seemed quite appropriate and straightforward to put the site-specific zoning in the agricultural zone.

[1:06:48] Voice 7: And then the remaining parcel, portion of the parcel, rezoned to resource conservation.

[1:06:57] Voice 7: So the resource conservation, that's something that the LTC was very clear they were interested

[1:07:03] Voice 7: in.

[1:07:03] Voice 7: And because all zones can contain passive park, the passive park permission allows the

[1:07:10] Voice 7: trails that the CRD would be maintaining in that area to exist.

[1:07:16] Voice 7: So it works out quite well in that respect.

[1:07:19] Voice 7: And so there's a requirement for two mapping amendments, one on the land use by-law, the

[1:07:33] Voice 7: zone from rural to resource conservation, and then in the official community plan, it's

[1:07:40] Voice 7: the, I'm sorry, that was the designation, shifting the designation from rural to resource

[1:07:47] Voice 7: resource conservation in the

[1:07:48] Voice 7: and then the specific zoning.

[1:07:53] Voice 7: We're all through

[1:07:55] Voice 7: resource conservation

[1:07:57] Voice 7: zoning and

[1:07:59] Voice 7: then the agricultural portion

[1:08:01] Voice 7: site-specific

[1:08:02] Voice 7: AA

[1:08:05] Voice 7: zoning.

[1:08:07] Voice 7: And you can see the

[1:08:09] Voice 7: site-specific zoning on page

[1:08:11] Voice 7: 112

[1:08:13] Voice 7: that would apply

[1:08:15] Voice 7: file to the uses these are the uses that are supported by the um the crd's parks management

[1:08:22] Voice 7: plan for st john's park

[1:08:24] Voice 5: excellent well thank you for that and resource conservation we got there

[1:08:34] Voice 3: in the end trusty

[1:08:36] Voice 5: mod um would you like to speak to the applicant mr weber um or address any

[1:08:42] Voice 5: anything outstanding that Narissa has on?

[1:08:47] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:08:47] Voice 1: No, I've got nothing more to add beyond what Narissa said in her presentation report,

[1:08:52] Voice 1: and I just want to say thank you for considering the application today.

[1:08:55] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:08:56] Voice 6: Yes, Christine?

[1:08:57] Voice 6: So my question is, it specifies this 20 vehicle parking lot.

[1:09:05] Voice 6: So how do we ensure that when the entire agricultural zone is zoned,

[1:09:10] Voice 6: um agriculture a a how do we ensure that the actual parking lot that we yeah

[1:09:19] Voice 7: so right now

[1:09:19] Voice 7: it says parking area it doesn't specify number but we can specify number oh okay so the question

[1:09:24] Voice 5: so speak to the camera sorry the minute taker can pick up the question how

[1:09:28] Voice 6: do we ensure how do we

[1:09:30] Voice 6: ensure that the parking area that has been requested and that we've agreed to i think

[1:09:36] Voice 6: remain that not expand over the years so yeah

[1:09:40] Voice 12: yeah absolutely and that was my exact question

[1:09:43] Voice 12: if you go to page 118 column three i think it would be wise to have numbers attached to all of

[1:09:50] Voice 12: you guys so like like one entrance sign yeah um the parking area 20 mentioned one pothole

[1:09:56] Voice 12: toilet building one bike rack one chaos i just think it would be is if we're specific because

[1:10:03] Voice 12: because, especially with the parking, we kind of, it's open to any interpretation.

[1:10:08] Voice 12: That would be my, like, otherwise, it's a great report, really.

[1:10:12] Voice 12: Like, this is a long, many, many years in evolution.

[1:10:17] Voice 12: And I think we've landed in an appropriate spot.

[1:10:21] Voice 12: But I guess I think the details that we've previously discussed,

[1:10:24] Voice 12: if they're actually incorporated in the bylaw, it's perfectly fine.

[1:10:28] Voice 5: So would that affect your application at all or your plans,

[1:10:31] Voice 5: if there's the number is added to each of those elements?

[1:10:37] Voice 5: Mr. Weber, MRSA?

[1:10:40] Voice 1: Yeah, no, that'd be fine on our end.

[1:10:43] Voice 1: We have no intention of expanding it

[1:10:44] Voice 1: beyond what is proposed at this time.

[1:10:47] Voice 1: I can't really foresee that happening in the near future.

[1:10:50] Voice 1: So yeah, no issues on our end.

[1:10:54] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:10:55] Voice 5: So do we need a bit of time to do some wordsmithing here?

[1:10:59] Voice 4: I think you just have to say as a minute.

[1:11:01] Voice 4: As a minute. As a minute.

[1:11:02] Voice 5: Okay, so we're talking about parking area for 20 and one entrance sign, one pump out toilet building, one bicycle rack. Okay, that makes you happy? Good. All right. Well, fantastic. I have no questions and I'm happy if somebody would make a motion here.

[1:11:20] Voice 5: move i

[1:11:21] Voice 6: move that the main island local trust committee draft bylaw 194 cited as main island

[1:11:27] Voice 6: official community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number 1 2024 as amended be read a

[1:11:37] Voice 6: first time

[1:11:37] Voice 5: moved and was seconder trustee maude seconds all

[1:11:43] Voice 7: those in favor oh that was the official

[1:11:46] Voice 7: that's the bylaw

[1:11:47] Voice 7: but the next one is the amended one

[1:11:49] Voice 6: okay oh sorry sorry

[1:11:50] Voice 5: okay so we'll strike the

[1:11:52] Voice 5: as amended um lisa and uh just that the first recommended motion be read as as written be

[1:12:03] Voice 5: read a first time okay great and

[1:12:05] Voice 8: move wait all those

[1:12:07] Voice 8: in favor no we didn't vote all those in

[1:12:09] Voice 8: favor

[1:12:10] Voice 6: that is carried move that the main island local trust committee draft bylaw 195 cited as

[1:12:18] Voice 6: main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number 1 2024 as amended be read for

[1:12:27] Voice 6: the first time good

[1:12:28] Voice 5: moved and seconded by trust mod any discussion yeah all those in favor that

[1:12:35] Voice 5: Gary, congratulations. We can move this project forward. Thank you, Mr. Weber, and excited to see

[1:12:43] Voice 5: what happens with St. John Point. So

[1:12:46] Voice 6: the question, of course, the residents that are down there and

[1:12:49] Voice 6: the traffic that's blocking access for fire trucks and ambulance to the Channel View subdivision,

[1:12:56] Voice 6: when would actual construction of the parking lot start?

[1:13:01] Voice 1: Yeah, that's a great question. And it is

[1:13:03] Voice 1: kind of dependent on when this application is approved we were tentatively aiming to start it

[1:13:09] Voice 1: towards the end of this summer but i think it will likely need to get pushed to next year

[1:13:14] Voice 1: we we more than likely would aim to do construction during the the drier months

[1:13:20] Voice 1: so it could potentially be earlier next summer

[1:13:23] Voice 10: yeah

[1:13:25] Voice 1: that hasn't been uh i guess verified at

[1:13:28] Voice 1: at this point

[1:13:29] Voice 5: okay all

[1:13:30] Voice 6: right so don't hold your breath no no as you know it's quite a problem in

[1:13:37] Voice 6: the summertime

[1:13:37] Voice 10: people

[1:13:39] Voice 6: park it's very narrow access

[1:13:41] Voice 5: fine

[1:13:42] Voice 6: excellent

[1:13:43] Voice 5: well thank you now you

[1:13:47] Voice 5: are free

[1:13:48] Voice 10: to go thank you

[1:13:48] Voice 10: take care

[1:13:50] Voice 10: now

[1:13:52] Voice 5: may i move on to our favorite housing project

[1:13:55] Voice 5: Okay. Item 12.1, the housing options. Identifying properties for additional density. This is part of the main island major project, housing options project.

[1:14:11] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:14:13] Voice 4: Thank you. Okay, there's

[1:14:16] Voice 7: one little element and one bigger element here. The first is just an update to the project charter, just to indicate that the fiscal 2025-26 costs and a little bit of tweaks to the anticipated date by about a month ahead.

[1:14:37] Voice 3: ahead.

[1:14:37] Voice 7: So that's what's happened there. I'm happy to answer any

[1:14:42] Voice 7: questions you might have. At the last meeting in February, staff

[1:14:48] Voice 7: was provided direction to draft bylaws. And there were some

[1:14:54] Voice 7: outstanding outstanding questions at the time, a few

[1:14:58] Voice 7: things that needed to be sort of revisited. And so that's what

[1:15:01] Voice 7: we're that's what this report does is it looks at those, the

[1:15:06] Voice 7: conversations that were had at the last meeting comes back with some of the um the things that

[1:15:10] Voice 7: were requested from the ltc so um the objective here if we can is to get to a point where we can

[1:15:18] Voice 7: go to those uh get into the draft draft bylaws and resolve any outstanding or identify if there

[1:15:25] Voice 7: are any outstanding to be further uh discussed we can still move forward with with drafting the

[1:15:30] Voice 7: the bylaws for everything, and if there is need for further discussion, we can discuss those items

[1:15:35] Voice 7: as we move

[1:15:36] Voice 7: forward. So I'll just move through things sort of methodically as I have in the past.

[1:15:42] Voice 7: I'll note that I did provide the table of updates in 129. It's just sort of like, I'll continue to

[1:15:53] Voice 7: provide that list for you so that you've got um a list of

[1:15:56] Voice 7: uh of all of the actions and the

[1:15:59] Voice 7: decisions that have been made so the so i'll start into the what was outstanding from um from

[1:16:06] Voice 7: february um so the first was with respect to cottages on smaller plots there was interest

[1:16:13] Voice 7: from me the ltc to allow um cottages on lots between uh so we were allowing cottages on

[1:16:22] Voice 7: smaller lots but there was interest in having a maximum size for those that were on lots

[1:16:28] Voice 7: point of one acre to 1.5 acres essentially so 0.4 hectares to 0.6 hectares

[1:16:35] Voice 7: and so the draft there would limit that maximum floor area to 2500 square feet and so

[1:16:48] Voice 7: that's what we we've established for flex housing so basically this would be for those lots between

[1:16:54] Voice 7: one acre and 1.5 acres that are outside the flex housing area within the flex housing pilot area

[1:17:01] Voice 7: that's already the established uh maximum quality any questions on that okay so i think the next

[1:17:11] Voice 7: Next item, I'll require a little bit of dialogue, and I think Trustee Dodds has the colored

[1:17:25] Voice 7: map,

[1:17:25] Voice 4: because

[1:17:26] Voice 7: you got the original, and I don't think you have the colored map, I'm just trying

[1:17:31] Voice 7: to open my computer here so I can show you that, I can show David the colored map of

[1:17:37] Voice 7: the

[1:17:37] Voice 6: flex

[1:17:38] Voice 7: housing area it

[1:17:39] Voice 6: was in my what's in my email do you yeah yeah i

[1:17:43] Voice 6: think you've got here

[1:17:44] Voice 6: oh oh there you should yeah

[1:17:46] Voice 5: you should have the colored one there

[1:17:47] Voice 6: it is yeah yeah

[1:17:48] Voice 7: so so um

[1:17:52] Voice 7: so we were having the discussion of uh we had a little bit of discussion of how you wanted to

[1:17:56] Voice 7: expand the flex housing and

[1:17:58] Voice 7: what you landed on um as criteria was within close proximity to

[1:18:04] Voice 7: services and transportation routes essentially so i got um we got uh our aislinn our great

[1:18:12] Voice 7: mapping technician to um do up this really lovely map um that shows the show so we we chose the

[1:18:22] Voice 7: agricultural hall as kind of our center for the rings are um one kilometer two kilometers and

[1:18:28] Voice 7: three kilometers away from the eye call and there's a stars there's stars on the eye call

[1:18:33] Voice 7: and there's stars at that very middle center so that's you know it gives you a general sense of

[1:18:37] Voice 7: where things are at um so in the the shaded area the darker shaded area is the um is the existing

[1:18:48] Voice 7: flex housing and then you see the the blue uh the sort of turquoisey blue there's like a gradient of

[1:18:55] Voice 7: of color that i did and those colors are indications of size so when i looked at it

[1:19:01] Voice 7: I limited it to lots that were over 0.3 hectares and I mean again that's up to you if you want to

[1:19:11] Voice 7: go that small and so that's the sort of bluey color you can see that the keys

[1:19:17] Voice 7: there and then

[1:19:18] Voice 7: and then there's I've indicated which ones are are between like 1.4 hectares and 5.04 hectares

[1:19:30] Voice 7: and 500 and then those that are above so um you can see there's only one that's larger

[1:19:38] Voice 7: um so this was all based on that so the other criteria that we discussed was um to not not

[1:19:46] Voice 7: include those within the miners bay area because of salt water intrusion issues and also those that

[1:19:53] Voice 7: are accessed from the Georgina Point Road because of the concerns around the safety of that road.

[1:20:01] Voice 7: You'll note that Maple Drive are not included because that was a discussion I wanted to have

[1:20:11] Voice 7: with you. I know there were issues around the flooding of those so I'm not sure if you wanted

[1:20:16] Voice 7: to include those but this provided and I imagine that those that are on the water side would

[1:20:23] Voice 7: probably have similar like salt water infusion issues as the Maple Bay area properties. So

[1:20:30] Voice 7: yeah so the map is really here as a starting point for discussion and I think it provides

[1:20:37] Voice 7: a nice illustration of what some of the possibilities are and one of the other

[1:20:41] Voice 7: questions I wanted to sort of ask to you so this is really based on those criteria that we discussed

[1:20:48] Voice 7: us uh the safety issues around georgia point georgia point not not putting them into miners

[1:20:53] Voice 7: bay and focusing around the the core uh essentially of the island um and uh i didn't dive into any

[1:21:02] Voice 7: other criteria so this is an opportunity if you want me to have a look let me know if there's any

[1:21:07] Voice 7: other criteria that you'd like me to look at

[1:21:09] Voice 7: do you have um you know we have the uh um the

[1:21:13] Voice 7: groundwater recharge data, we've got sensitive ecosystem data, you know, you did mention some

[1:21:24] Voice 7: of it is outdated, but anyways if there are items of data that you would like to need to look at,

[1:21:30] Voice 7: I'll leave it there for your questions.

[1:21:36] Voice 6: So I guess like the ones that are around the Montrose, so you've got one, two, three,

[1:21:40] Voice 6: or that say R?

[1:21:42] Voice 6: Yeah, so R is rural.

[1:21:44] Voice 6: Oh, they're already zoned rural.

[1:21:46] Voice 7: They're zoned rural, yeah.

[1:21:47] Voice 7: So the other ones are all settlement residential.

[1:21:50] Voice 7: Oh, okay.

[1:21:50] Voice 6: They don't have an R on them.

[1:21:51] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:21:52] Voice 6: So what would be, like, okay, the flex housing,

[1:21:56] Voice 6: I guess the concern is that the idea of flex housing is to have more rental,

[1:22:01] Voice 6: but how do we control the ability to build multiple dwellings

[1:22:06] Voice 6: by an individual developer on one piece of property?

[1:22:10] Voice 6: What control mechanism do we have to ensure

[1:22:13] Voice 6: that this does not become a for-profit?

[1:22:17] Voice 6: Well,

[1:22:17] Voice 7: that's a big question.

[1:22:18] Voice 7: And it's a big challenge because really your tool is housing agreements,

[1:22:23] Voice 7: but we haven't figured out how to manage those with us,

[1:22:27] Voice 7: like single property owners as opposed to,

[1:22:29] Voice 7: like we've got housing agreements, but they're with non-profits.

[1:22:32] Voice 6: Right, right, right.

[1:22:33] Voice 6: And we

[1:22:33] Voice 7: have a limited ability to be able to manage those, basically.

[1:22:38] Voice 7: So that's a big question.

[1:22:40] Voice 7: yeah

[1:22:40] Voice 6: yeah so basically you have to own a property for four houses that was only allowed one or one

[1:22:45] Voice 6: or two it's it's except

[1:22:47] Voice 6: that they are smaller houses yeah um

[1:22:49] Voice 6: and the properties don't have to

[1:22:51] Voice 6: be subdivided so what they

[1:22:52] Voice 6: could become a strata the developer wanted to create yeah four small

[1:22:57] Voice 6: houses okay that that is the the concern sort of long term to the to the neighborhood around

[1:23:03] Voice 6: around that Montrose area

[1:23:04] Voice 4: is

[1:23:06] Voice 6: how to have a control on that.

[1:23:08] Voice 4: Right.

[1:23:10] Voice 6: The smaller, the ones that are already settlement residential,

[1:23:14] Voice 6: the size of the lots will restrict how much development.

[1:23:17] Voice 6: Anyways, it's those one, two, three, four parcels there

[1:23:20] Voice 6: that will be a little more open.

[1:23:25] Voice 6: And do we know how many, like, can you identify those four

[1:23:30] Voice 6: and say a maximum number of dwellings that would happen under flex?

[1:23:34] Voice 6: So,

[1:23:35] Voice 7: yeah, depending on the size, and I think it would be up to four or five, depending

[1:23:41] Voice 7: on the size.

[1:23:42] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:23:42] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:23:42] Voice 7: Can

[1:23:43] Voice 6: you come back and actually?

[1:23:44] Voice 6: I

[1:23:45] Voice 7: can come back.

[1:23:45] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:23:46] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:23:46] Voice 7: Well, I mean, I can check it, right?

[1:23:47] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:23:50] Voice 6: Let me check it.

[1:23:55] Voice 6: They would automatically get four or five without a rezoning for community amenities.

[1:24:00] Voice 4: Oh, yeah.

[1:24:00] Voice 4: actually it's in the land oh

[1:24:04] Voice 7: right yeah

[1:24:08] Voice 7: here we go okay so on lots so lots having an area of less

[1:24:14] Voice 7: than 1.5 acres one additional dwelling is permitted if the combined is 2,500 yeah so lots

[1:24:24] Voice 7: between 0.6 so that's 1.5 acres and 1.2 hectares that's three acres two dwellings and a cottage so

[1:24:32] Voice 7: that's three um are permitted um and then on lots that are 1.2 hectares three acres

[1:24:42] Voice 7: and not exceeding five hectares 12.3 acres uh three dwelling is it going to college so that's

[1:24:50] Voice 7: four okay so

[1:24:52] Voice 7: that's four and then if you want to go there's one there's only one property that's

[1:24:55] Voice 7: over five hectares so you're you if you want to go with include that property then you need to

[1:25:01] Voice 7: decide how many yeah okay um so that is uh yeah

[1:25:06] Voice 10: okay and

[1:25:17] Voice 7: the dwelling can include a secondary

[1:25:19] Voice 7: suite okay

[1:25:20] Voice 6: okay plus the suite so the primary dwelling not the cottage the primary okay

[1:25:27] Voice 6: okay secondary suite okay

[1:25:29] Voice 10: okay okay

[1:25:36] Voice 6: that would technically increase that density in that area

[1:25:55] Voice 6: but we've already done that with all the areas that are are what i see as a brown reflection yeah

[1:26:07] Voice 5: so i have a question because i'm just trying to think about how you know that it is a very

[1:26:14] Voice 5: interesting question of how to just how to control and allow for the type of housing we want to

[1:26:23] Voice 5: create for the community without let it being exploited by um you know for cash or profit

[1:26:29] Voice 5: development um density banks have been used we we know that they're also being taken off the books

[1:26:38] Voice 5: for some communities um but is there a process other than temporary use permit where like a

[1:26:47] Voice 5: a potential like the the density could be allocated or the the density is allocated in theory but it's

[1:26:53] Voice 5: not zoned for it until the landowner can make an application to the ltc and say this is what i'm

[1:27:00] Voice 5: going to use my extra two cabins for or my cat cottage and a an adu um to at least state their

[1:27:11] Voice 5: their intentions and you know the person and it but the people change

[1:27:15] Voice 5: yeah and people change and

[1:27:17] Voice 5: i agree it goes with the land so it goes with so that's okay oh

[1:27:22] Voice 6: i guess the only thing i see

[1:27:24] Voice 6: if this doesn't give you the subdivision rights no okay so so if you are a developer the best

[1:27:31] Voice 6: you can do is develop a strata with all these limitations on it and hope you find buyers for

[1:27:36] Voice 6: or your strata units at this higher debt, if you choose to do that.

[1:27:41] Voice 6: And it doesn't control what the rents would be or the prices of the dwellings.

[1:27:45] Voice 6: None of that would we have control of.

[1:27:47] Voice 6: It was just basically saying to this landowner that you've gone from

[1:27:50] Voice 6: whatever one house to now you can have technically

[1:27:53] Voice 10: two, three, four,

[1:27:55] Voice 6: depending on the size.

[1:27:56] Voice 6: But it is a way of increasing opportunities without subdividing.

[1:28:02] Voice 6: Well, it's increasing the stock.

[1:28:03] Voice 6: You at least have more stock.

[1:28:04] Voice 6: Because our

[1:28:05] Voice 6: problem on Maine is that we're getting to build out.

[1:28:08] Voice 6: And when that happens,

[1:28:10] Voice 6: when there's no houses to buy,

[1:28:12] Voice 6: then houses automatically become way more expensive.

[1:28:15] Voice 6: So it drives the price up.

[1:28:17] Voice 6: So it's a compromise of finding ways to fit in more dwellings,

[1:28:22] Voice 6: but without trying to minimize the monetization of them.

[1:28:28] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:28:28] Voice 6: That's

[1:28:29] Voice 21: a tricky one.

[1:28:30] Voice 6: It is tricky.

[1:28:31] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:28:31] Voice 6: And I think that's, you know, ultimately leave it there

[1:28:34] Voice 6: and take it out when we take it out sort of we get to the first reading discussion of what we're

[1:28:41] Voice 6: doing and have public hearing on it to make it clear that this is an area that we've actually

[1:28:46] Voice 6: up zoned

[1:28:47] Voice 3: and

[1:28:48] Voice 6: is it worth it to the community to have that up Sony or is it just taken off the

[1:28:54] Voice 6: table yeah

[1:28:54] Voice 7: okay yeah I mean yeah you can continue to think about this yeah you're not making any

[1:29:03] Voice 7: um i'll also point out the purple properties are the ones that were identified by

[1:29:07] Voice 7: of the same numbers as potential so one is outside of the the orange ring so that's also

[1:29:15] Voice 7: a question if you want to or if there are other or if there are others you know that are suitable

[1:29:20] Voice 7: like there may be ones that you particularly think are

[1:29:22] Voice 10: suitable

[1:29:25] Voice 7: or yeah

[1:29:29] Voice 10: okay so i just

[1:29:33] Voice 12: I just had a question for Trustee Dodd.

[1:29:36] Voice 12: Previously we discussed a long Georgina Point and

[1:29:40] Voice 12: you were concerned about road safety and such.

[1:29:46] Voice 12: My only thing is that I've spoken now probably to four landowners across there who are actually quite enthusiastic about this.

[1:29:53] Voice 12: And so I'm just wondering how rich your thoughts were about that.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: I've seen the road.

[1:30:01] Voice 12: Oh, we've all seen the road.

[1:30:03] Voice 6: So I really don't.

[1:30:05] Voice 6: If you've actually got real landowners that are keen to develop more parcels along there,

[1:30:11] Voice 6: certainly within walking distance of services, so when the road goes.

[1:30:15] Voice 6: And the road is going to go.

[1:30:17] Voice 6: I mean, not today, but back through the input road, it's going to go.

[1:30:20] Voice 12: It's just because the thing that I always struggle with, we have always good intents,

[1:30:25] Voice 12: but then getting people to actually do things like secondaries.

[1:30:28] Voice 12: we get very very little buy-in yeah so when i talk to somebody and they say you know i'm really

[1:30:33] Voice 12: interested in this

[1:30:34] Voice 12: i kind of reluctant to to sort of like to

[1:30:38] Voice 6: say no i'm very surprised because when

[1:30:40] Voice 6: originally the property on garrick road was being subdivided and then the housing society went to

[1:30:46] Voice 6: them because that was a suggestion and i understood all of the landowners and they changed we're

[1:30:54] Voice 6: are totally opposed to additional housing in that area so i think if if those landowners are truly

[1:30:59] Voice 6: interested then they should probably be coming back to the trust committee and as the one on

[1:31:06] Voice 6: montrose did that person came to us and said i want to be in that area so that helps a lot and

[1:31:12] Voice 6: perhaps when we can put out what's we're

[1:31:15] Voice 6: ready for first to say do you have property do you think

[1:31:18] Voice 6: there's you know rather than us individually picking out properties where do you think we

[1:31:22] Voice 6: should increase density at the least impact on on the community so that i

[1:31:27] Voice 12: didn't want to be

[1:31:28] Voice 12: encouraging if you want to know and start you know but you're open that

[1:31:32] Voice 6: that say that road

[1:31:33] Voice 6: and and they're when it's gone they're not going to they're not so i'm just you know right right

[1:31:40] Voice 6: there garrick road is is probably the worst so so having uh they will repair what they can but it's

[1:31:47] Voice 6: It's eroding the way continuously.

[1:31:50] Voice 6: And I'm just amazed that no one's gone off that road.

[1:31:53] Voice 6: They've just put a whole row of cement barriers there on the shoulder.

[1:32:00] Voice 6: That's somebody really wanted to say that those landowners should approach us.

[1:32:06] Voice 10: Yeah, yeah.

[1:32:07] Voice 6: And I also know some of those, like I know the church property had trouble getting water.

[1:32:13] Voice 6: water and I know some of those landowners on Garrett Road had trouble finding water

[1:32:18] Voice 12: so but

[1:32:19] Voice 12: but I think that our direction has been is to encourage train water

[1:32:22] Voice 6: yep over yeah absolutely

[1:32:27] Voice 6: so that's so

[1:32:29] Voice 12: far I guess it's a great staff report and we're still walking through it but

[1:32:35] Voice 12: yeah I

[1:32:35] Voice 12: don't really have a lot of questions because you answered them all for me so

[1:32:40] Voice 5: so is the next stage actually to ask community if there is additional properties that they would

[1:32:48] Voice 5: want the local trust committee to consider what stage could that yeah

[1:32:52] Voice 7: i think that would

[1:32:53] Voice 7: that not yeah how would you like to see that happen but

[1:32:57] Voice 12: literally i think it'd be like a

[1:32:59] Voice 12: one-page mainliner here's where we are do you want to join in type of thing and we've never

[1:33:04] Voice 6: actually done a mail that would say this is the area that's identified as a flex housing area we

[1:33:09] Voice 6: We've never actually sent a letter to the individual property owners.

[1:33:13] Voice 6: I don't think so.

[1:33:14] Voice 6: Just saying, did you know that you actually have the opportunity

[1:33:17] Voice 6: to build multiple dwellings?

[1:33:20] Voice 6: Interesting.

[1:33:22] Voice 6: And then we've got these other suggestions for like temporary use permit

[1:33:26] Voice 6: for tiny homes at a

[1:33:28] Voice 6: reduced rate, which would be an incentive

[1:33:30] Voice 6: for a landowner to go out there and actually add a

[1:33:34] Voice 6: dwelling or two.

[1:33:36] Voice 7: Do you want to include a resolution requesting that staff develop a mainlight or article

[1:33:45] Voice 7: inviting property owners to, well I guess educating about flex housing and inviting

[1:33:50] Voice 7: property owners to identify if they're interested? I move.

[1:34:00] Voice 5: staff to

[1:34:02] Voice 6: uh to do a mail out to producer wait a minute

[1:34:06] Voice 4: well

[1:34:07] Voice 6: yeah

[1:34:11] Voice 4: that would be more money and liner um right article explaining

[1:34:16] Voice 4: name that's

[1:34:18] Voice 7: how they know if

[1:34:19] Voice 4: they're interested in practicing and then

[1:34:26] Voice 5: do we want to actually

[1:34:27] Voice 5: set a special do we have a community information meeting potentially coming up that we could

[1:34:32] Voice 5: invite people to or just submit expressions of interest i

[1:34:37] Voice 7: think at this point that would be the

[1:34:38] Voice 7: way to do it unless it would require a special a special meeting you're tacked on to the next

[1:34:44] Voice 7: you could tack on a meeting during a

[1:34:46] Voice 7: regular regular meeting specifically about flex housing

[1:34:49] Voice 7: if you want to i mean or it could be a community information about the bylaws generally um

[1:34:57] Voice 6: but we might as well do it within a regular meeting because we don't we don't within

[1:35:00] Voice 7: regular meetings yeah so that that would also need we need require a direction for staff to

[1:35:07] Voice 7: organize a community information meeting related to you can say related to the that the housing

[1:35:11] Voice 7: options program with an emphasis on flex housing uh

[1:35:14] Voice 10: -huh and

[1:35:16] Voice 7: that's that that could provide an

[1:35:17] Voice 7: opportunity to just go over where we're at see if there's any any other um questions about other

[1:35:23] Voice 7: parts of the process and then we can focus on yeah

[1:35:26] Voice 4: that's good okay

[1:35:29] Voice 6: i like it so i lose that

[1:35:32] Voice 6: motion whatever it said the mainliner article so

[1:35:38] Voice 5: staff to write an article explaining

[1:35:40] Voice 5: the flex housing opportunities and inviting landowners

[1:35:45] Voice 5: expressions of interest in

[1:35:48] Voice 5: expanding flex housing to their property

[1:35:52] Voice 5: in

[1:35:52] Voice 4: advance.

[1:35:53] Voice 5: Yeah, additional densities for their

[1:35:56] Voice 5: properties.

[1:35:57] Voice 6: I'll explain where it currently is, where we think it should

[1:36:00] Voice 6: go. Do they have more areas that

[1:36:04] Voice 6: we're not thinking of?

[1:36:06] Voice 5: Okay, let's make this a new emotion

[1:36:08] Voice 5: that we've been half talking around it here um so lisa um we're kind of half talking about uh that

[1:36:16] Voice 5: staff would write an article explaining the current flex housing opportunities for the main

[1:36:22] Voice 5: island community and inviting expressions of interest from landowners for potential increase

[1:36:30] Voice 5: increase in density or interested in potential sex

[1:36:33] Voice 8: housing housing yeah

[1:36:36] Voice 5: inclusion in in potential

[1:36:39] Voice 5: flex housing zoning yeah

[1:36:41] Voice 10: perfect

[1:36:43] Voice 5: all right do you have that Frankenstein of a resolution

[1:36:51] Voice 17: through the chair what I have so far is that the Maine Island local trust committee requests staff

[1:36:57] Voice 17: to develop a mainliner article explaining flexible housing opportunities and inviting

[1:37:02] Voice 17: expressions of interest from landowners for potential inclusion in potential flexible

[1:37:08] Voice 17: housing zoning

[1:37:09] Voice 5: yeah just remove one of those potentials and i'm happy with that

[1:37:15] Voice 7: potential i think flex housing flex housing zoning yeah great

[1:37:23] Voice 5: who's gonna say so moved I moved it oh trust me I so

[1:37:29] Voice 12: seconded it I

[1:37:30] Voice 5: have trusty uh mod seconds

[1:37:31] Voice 5: uh any discussion all those in favor that is carried thank you okay

[1:37:38] Voice 4: then did you want

[1:37:38] Voice 4: community information meeting so

[1:37:40] Voice 5: community information meeting related to the housing

[1:37:42] Voice 5: options program with an emphasis on flex housing uh be scheduled

[1:37:48] Voice 6: couldn't be our next meeting

[1:37:51] Voice 6: because it's just for an ltc meeting for regular yeah an ltc

[1:37:56] Voice 5: meeting okay figure out yeah like

[1:37:58] Voice 6: july july main

[1:37:59] Voice 5: island yeah main local trust committee request staff schedule community

[1:38:05] Voice 5: information meeting related to the housing options prior to first reading with an emphasis

[1:38:10] Voice 5: on flex housing to be scheduled at a future ltc meeting yeah i mean that will require

[1:38:18] Voice 3: prior to

[1:38:18] Voice 5: first reading okay

[1:38:19] Voice 3: just say prior to first reading

[1:38:25] Voice 5: lisa good

[1:38:26] Voice 5: one minute

[1:38:32] Voice 10: i

[1:38:33] Voice 5: should just have your email on standby and put it in there instead of my notes

[1:38:39] Voice 17: i believe i missed the last part what i have so far is that the main island local trust committee

[1:38:44] Voice 17: requests staff to schedule a community information meeting related to housing options

[1:38:50] Voice 17: related to the housing

[1:38:51] Voice 17: options project with an emphasis on flexible housing to be scheduled

[1:38:55] Voice 17: during a regular meeting prior to first reading prior

[1:38:59] Voice 5: to first reading yeah thank you you want

[1:39:05] Voice 5: to move that david i

[1:39:06] Voice 12: will still move that david still moves

[1:39:08] Voice 5: seconded by trustee dodds all any

[1:39:12] Voice 5: further discussion all those in favor that is carried thank you okay back into the report

[1:39:21] Voice 5: cottages expanding flexible zoning proactively zoning oh so allowing rvs as a dwelling so wait

[1:39:28] Voice 5: a second uh

[1:39:28] Voice 7: just before we get to that so there was a proactively proactively zoning

[1:39:33] Voice 7: so like i said those were the purple things we'll just leave it as is for now yeah yeah for the

[1:39:39] Voice 6: moment okay yeah

[1:39:41] Voice 7: so now we're moving into allowing rvs dwelling if an active building permit for uh

[1:39:46] Voice 7: permanent going in place so that is basically um changing what's existing currently and just

[1:39:53] Voice 7: identifying that um but as opposed to um outright um permanent use that temporary use that you're

[1:40:01] Voice 7: going to be that the bylaw would be allowing yeah um under the existing um requirements that

[1:40:07] Voice 7: that are currently in the bylaw so that's connection to wastewater system etc and the

[1:40:12] Voice 7: provision of domestic water and appropriate siting. But then

[1:40:16] Voice 7: adding that a building permit, subject to a building permit

[1:40:23] Voice 7: being issued for permanent dwelling on the property and the

[1:40:26] Voice 7: building permit being in effect and the occupancy of the vehicle

[1:40:29] Voice 7: not exceeding two years. And that is, that's something that

[1:40:33] Voice 7: actually exists in a number of other LTC bylaws. And so by way

[1:40:38] Voice 7: of doing that, you are then requiring a temporary like, I

[1:40:41] Voice 7: I mean, if somebody wants to live beyond that period of time,

[1:40:45] Voice 7: they would have to apply for a temporary home.

[1:40:48] Voice 6: Because for some people, you know, this is the catch on YouTube,

[1:40:51] Voice 6: for some people they own their lot, but by the time they bought their lot

[1:40:55] Voice 6: and put it in the subject system, they could only afford a trailer

[1:40:59] Voice 6: or a tiny home.

[1:41:01] Voice 3: So

[1:41:01] Voice 6: we have to have some kind of flexibility, whether it's a TUP after two years

[1:41:06] Voice 6: because they don't have the money to build.

[1:41:10] Voice 5: Well, this is standard.

[1:41:11] Voice 5: in many ltc's gabriel will have said and yeah so on so i think it kind of um yeah i definitely

[1:41:21] Voice 4: support this or turn it down okay so are we any

[1:41:34] Voice 7: questions about that or no no good move

[1:41:37] Voice 7: forward with that and then draft

[1:41:38] Voice 3: okay

[1:41:40] Voice 7: and then there was this discussion about so the pre-zoning

[1:41:43] Voice 7: manufacturing tiny hill parks had sort of been picking out and then LTC said that oh maybe we

[1:41:49] Voice 7: should give it some more thoughts but I didn't get any further direction from uh the LTC with

[1:41:54] Voice 7: respect to this in terms of thoughts that you're thinking would be good so um that's um so yeah

[1:42:03] Voice 7: that's outstanding so um it's a question really um um if if if there if there is anything you

[1:42:13] Voice 7: you want to consider at this time.

[1:42:15] Voice 7: Again, this is a process, right?

[1:42:16] Voice 7: So there's

[1:42:17] Voice 7: opportunity at another point in time to...

[1:42:20] Voice 12: Yeah, because to me,

[1:42:23] Voice 12: there's a few of those larger laws.

[1:42:24] Voice 12: I don't know if it's Jack,

[1:42:25] Voice 12: but it kind of makes sense for that type of concept.

[1:42:31] Voice 10: The

[1:42:31] Voice 6: dilemma is, you know,

[1:42:33] Voice 6: like I can think of places and I've identified places.

[1:42:36] Voice 6: The problem is you get the zoning.

[1:42:38] Voice 6: It's like the church, nothing happens.

[1:42:40] Voice 6: Or it's like the other road, nothing happens.

[1:42:42] Voice 6: So it's, can we have language written in that says, you know, properties that are within, maybe within that second circle, properties of a geological structure that doesn't require a engineered hazardous removal of rocks and properties that are outside of known water problems.

[1:43:08] Voice 6: So we should have a kind of language.

[1:43:09] Voice 7: Maybe zone for that use.

[1:43:11] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:43:12] Voice 6: In our OCP.

[1:43:13] Voice 6: In the OCP, yeah, as

[1:43:14] Voice 7: opposed to, like, outright or proactively.

[1:43:17] Voice 12: Sort of like what we do with the commercial.

[1:43:18] Voice 7: Yeah, yeah.

[1:43:19] Voice 12: It's basically saying, well, this is kind of pre-approved.

[1:43:21] Voice 7: Within these areas.

[1:43:22] Voice 7: And I think you've already approved language that could support that.

[1:43:25] Voice 7: But we can be more specific around, like, I'll revisit what we've already agreed to

[1:43:31] Voice 7: and make sure that those sort of specifications are put in, that they're within.

[1:43:34] Voice 7: And

[1:43:34] Voice 6: especially mobile tiny home kind of structure.

[1:43:37] Voice 7: Yeah, within, did you say two kilometers?

[1:43:40] Voice 6: Well, you've

[1:43:41] Voice 6: got that circle,

[1:43:41] Voice 7: which I think is kind of a

[1:43:43] Voice 6: good guideline, that second,

[1:43:45] Voice 6: whatever color that was, the second one there.

[1:43:48] Voice 6: Circle, water, all

[1:43:49] Voice 7: the things, right?

[1:43:50] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:43:53] Voice 7: That would be great.

[1:43:54] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:43:54] Voice 7: So I can, I'll have a look and see what that language was and just leap it up a bit.

[1:44:00] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:44:04] Voice 3: So, oh yeah,

[1:44:11] Voice 7: so this is what, this was designated suitable land to permit rezoning for subdivision

[1:44:15] Voice 7: exchange for denomination of land so this was actually another proactive zoning which I don't

[1:44:19] Voice 7: feel confident doing if there isn't sort of clear analysis so again that's something that

[1:44:26] Voice 7: is already like the language that's already been approved for the OCP will allow for the

[1:44:36] Voice 7: rezoning of that if it goes to a close right and I think that's right

[1:44:38] Voice 4: okay

[1:44:39] Voice 7: we have that

[1:44:42] Voice 7: Okay, so this is this this one is very, very specifically related to the Montrose property is the conversation at the last LTC was this idea around allowing

[1:44:57] Voice 7: rezoning to allow subdivisions to facilitate the ability of smaller lots.

[1:45:04] Voice 7: but there's also an interest in donation of land and we hadn't really gone there the last

[1:45:10] Voice 7: conversation so um um and i think that you know the thinking there was a lot of thinking around

[1:45:16] Voice 7: the this montrose um property as the one property that there's been some conversation around some

[1:45:22] Voice 7: proactive zoning um so where where this is right now is that you could you know move forward and

[1:45:30] Voice 7: and allow, if you were to rezone that property

[1:45:33] Voice 7: as a settlement residential,

[1:45:35] Voice 7: that would provide a lot more flexibility,

[1:45:37] Voice 7: but that doesn't mean that those lots

[1:45:46] Voice 7: are necessarily going to be affordable.

[1:45:52] Voice 7: Right.

[1:45:54] Voice 7: So it would be, you would require,

[1:45:57] Voice 7: require um you need to if they were to go through a rezoning process themselves however

[1:46:02] Voice 7: that would be an opportunity to have that conversation around um what what would happen

[1:46:10] Voice 7: i mean you could do that within this process too but it's it's just you know it's just a little

[1:46:15] Voice 7: bit more

[1:46:17] Voice 10: i think

[1:46:22] Voice 6: that we don't want to proactively rezone any property for greater subdivision

[1:46:28] Voice 6: density unless there's a benefit

[1:46:30] Voice 6: to the community and so

[1:46:32] Voice 6: really fall back on that

[1:46:35] Voice 6: that

[1:46:35] Voice 6: already that what we already have in our

[1:46:38] Voice 6: bylaws which basically allows

[1:46:40] Voice 6: as it allows if there's a

[1:46:42] Voice 7: donation yeah I think that's what you would fall back

[1:46:44] Voice 7: on but it will be allowed for

[1:46:46] Voice 7: and then the actual

[1:46:49] Voice 7: rezoning of it would have to go

[1:46:50] Voice 7: through a process

[1:46:52] Voice 12: it's just all about carnivores

[1:46:54] Voice 12: I really agree

[1:46:56] Voice 12: is you know is if we just rezone things and things don't happen then it's there forever

[1:47:01] Voice 10: so let's just

[1:47:03] Voice 12: like grease the skin

[1:47:05] Voice 10: and

[1:47:07] Voice 12: you know so somebody wants to do something well you know this is a

[1:47:10] Voice 12: really good chance you're going to get this thing through and then we go through the process

[1:47:16] Voice 12: because you know we don't want to go ahead and

[1:47:19] Voice 7: i think there's an opportunity here

[1:47:20] Voice 7: you know there's been some discussions around this to bring in contact to bring in the crd

[1:47:24] Voice 7: and seeing what could be possible um but

[1:47:27] Voice 7: uh but yeah the the changes you've already agreed to

[1:47:31] Voice 7: will allow for that returning to happen right but

[1:47:35] Voice 10: um

[1:47:36] Voice 7: okay so the cistern sizes there was interest

[1:47:40] Voice 7: in having staff just uh have a look at the number that we had that have been identified 18 000

[1:47:46] Voice 7: liters as a requirement and that was that's something that's now becoming consistent across

[1:47:50] Voice 7: across the the trust area that was and that original number as I've identified previously

[1:47:56] Voice 7: was based on an analysis working with the uh with our um senior fresh water specialists around

[1:48:03] Voice 7: you know amount of water that you know maybe of the sustained families through a three month

[1:48:09] Voice 7: drought period and also um looking at so the the request here was to double check

[1:48:17] Voice 7: cistern sizes and so um you can get from Van Isle Water which seems to be the

[1:48:24] Voice 7: uh big supplier of cisterns for the islands uh you can get three gallon and two or two

[1:48:31] Voice 7: three thousand gallon and two thousand gallon sizes so um um you could you know one of each

[1:48:36] Voice 7: would satisfy that requirement then there was also interest from the LTC in having a smaller

[1:48:43] Voice 7: smaller cistern for dwellings that were under a thousand square feet and um the three thousand

[1:48:50] Voice 7: gallons is what you currently have for secondary suites and so the recommendation um from staff is

[1:48:56] Voice 7: just to keep it at that keep that keep it at that for secondary so you can keep it at that for

[1:49:01] Voice 7: dwellings under a thousand square feet that makes sense okay that's great um okay yeah so there were

[1:49:11] Voice 7: a few other topics so those are those are all the pieces that um related to the bylaws and then

[1:49:19] Voice 3: there were a couple

[1:49:20] Voice 7: other topics uh that sort of came up one was exploring the reduced cost for

[1:49:25] Voice 7: tps for rbs um and we can do that as a implementation action as part of this project

[1:49:31] Voice 7: so once we get through the bylaws we can have a look at that all good any questions no it's great

[1:49:37] Voice 7: Okay um clarification on the potable water standards so um this is related to the

[1:49:45] Voice 7: the revised standard for potable water supply that um that uh staff is recommending the LTC

[1:49:53] Voice 7: adopt and that's been revised um it's been adopted by North Pender I think it's in process for

[1:50:01] Voice 7: another island anyways it was originally it was originally drafted for

[1:50:06] Voice 7: for Salt Springs.

[1:50:07] Voice 7: So there's been quite a bit of rigor

[1:50:09] Voice 7: that's been put into those standards.

[1:50:10] Voice 7: And the question was related

[1:50:11] Voice 7: to whether Ministry of Transportation and other T

[1:50:18] Voice 7: would consider alternative sources for approved water.

[1:50:21] Voice 7: So this is where there is the ability to apply for grants

[1:50:24] Voice 7: and whether they would approve it or not is questionable,

[1:50:28] Voice 7: but there isn't the opportunity to do so.

[1:50:31] Voice 7: So we can't actually guess what they would decide,

[1:50:34] Voice 7: side um but they're oh but but what is written within these regulations doesn't doesn't disallow

[1:50:42] Voice 7: the ability to apply for a variance okay or a group of water so

[1:50:48] Voice 9: any questions so

[1:50:50] Voice 12: that would

[1:50:52] Voice 12: be the application of variance to us so whatever does that come as a standard variance like fee

[1:51:05] Voice 4: I

[1:51:05] Voice 12: guess I need to understand what that variance would look like, like the application, like

[1:51:12] Voice 12: is it, would you think it would be a simple application, or do you think it's like...

[1:51:16] Voice 12: I

[1:51:17] Voice 7: don't know, I haven't done one,

[1:51:18] Voice 12: I can't speak

[1:51:19] Voice 7: directly to that.

[1:51:20] Voice 12: I guess that's kind of where I'm landing, is you know, if it's a simple thing, if it

[1:51:25] Voice 12: was like a reasonable fee, that's one thing, but you know, if it's a complicated thing...

[1:51:29] Voice 7: I think it would be more complicated than simple because if you're looking at an alternative water source,

[1:51:35] Voice 7: you have to have probably some experts, like some studies identifying what you're putting in place

[1:51:44] Voice 7: to ensure that it's potable and that you're going to have enough over time and all of the things.

[1:51:48] Voice 12: Well, because my assumption would be if we're talking about rainwater catchment,

[1:51:53] Voice 12: that there probably is going to be

[1:51:55] Voice 12: some engineer somewhere is going to get a copy and paste

[1:51:59] Voice 12: situation

[1:52:00] Voice 12: as to what standards he'd be met, what tests

[1:52:02] Voice 12: have been taken and all that. I'm just wondering from

[1:52:04] Voice 12: our end of things, would you

[1:52:06] Voice 12: see that this application would be a

[1:52:08] Voice 12: complicated thing?

[1:52:09] Voice 7: What would you require?

[1:52:14] Voice 12: To me, if it's a thousand hour

[1:52:16] Voice 12: exercise, that's one thing, but it's a

[1:52:18] Voice 12: 10,000 hour exercise,

[1:52:21] Voice 12: you're starting to

[1:52:22] Voice 12: merge into oil just to build some holes which is what we're trying to discourage um so i just i

[1:52:29] Voice 12: wouldn't need to wrap my head around okay what

[1:52:31] Voice 12: we thought yeah first off drilling

[1:52:33] Voice 6: a well is not

[1:52:33] Voice 6: cheap no very complicated very expensive and this is not cheap because you're going to have to have

[1:52:39] Voice 6: this registered professional and the covenant so one way or the other i think the idea of using

[1:52:44] Voice 6: rainwater not drilling holes is actually less environmentally damaging but if we're all about

[1:52:50] Voice 6: money I think both of them are go pretty much either way so I think this

[1:52:56] Voice 12: incentivizes if it's

[1:52:59] Voice 12: a more economical option it encourages but

[1:53:02] Voice 6: yeah we wouldn't be really hard to control how we would

[1:53:07] Voice 6: do that because but we already know the rainwater collection that people have on me not using their

[1:53:13] Voice 6: their wells because of the arsenic is very expensive to me even to maintain so you're

[1:53:20] Voice 6: really damned if you do and damned if you don't but I think that what we need to do is we need

[1:53:25] Voice 6: to enable people to have this choice I don't think there's any issue about that and if you can have

[1:53:30] Voice 6: that choice under subdivision I think that's fair enough but to make it a money decision I don't I

[1:53:36] Voice 6: think is beyond our our control no

[1:53:38] Voice 12: it's just literally what I was asking is how complex it's

[1:53:41] Voice 12: going to be is it a simple application it's a complicated application i

[1:53:45] Voice 7: think it's more

[1:53:45] Voice 7: complicated and simple yeah oh

[1:53:47] Voice 6: because it is a very well again yeah but it's a variance on the

[1:53:51] Voice 6: subdivision requirement for hot

[1:53:53] Voice 6: water um so yes so it would be complicated but it could

[1:53:58] Voice 6: like for the person the developer it also could be um in terms of it could be complicated but

[1:54:07] Voice 6: i think a drilling well is really complicated because you could drill away and not get

[1:54:11] Voice 6: so if i'm a

[1:54:12] Voice 6: developer wanting to create two or three lots um and i actually have the option of

[1:54:17] Voice 6: just going with the rainwater um at least it's a known quantity but the difficulties

[1:54:22] Voice 12: of the subdivision process is a

[1:54:24] Voice 12: big it's it's a big capture area because you know you want to do a

[1:54:28] Voice 12: a a boundary test between neighbors it's a subdivision and there's so many things that

[1:54:35] Voice 12: become subdivisions well that's sort of

[1:54:37] Voice 6: but most of those would already have existing either water

[1:54:40] Voice 6: districts or wells. I mean if you're doing a boundary, I think boundary

[1:54:43] Voice 6: adjustments different subdivision process than creating three new lots or

[1:54:47] Voice 6: two new lots. It's pretty complicated.

[1:54:50] Voice 12: I've been through a couple of them and it's almost exactly the same.

[1:54:55] Voice 12: I was just trying to wrap my head around what sort of the bureaucratic process and the

[1:55:01] Voice 12: extensive involved.

[1:55:02] Voice 6: And we could like the variance, the language of how the variance

[1:55:06] Voice 6: process is done or the cost for the variance as an incentive you know we we can pick the

[1:55:13] Voice 6: different

[1:55:13] Voice 16: yeah different

[1:55:15] Voice 6: figure there for that to encourage it but it's also an unknown one of

[1:55:19] Voice 7: those cross that bridge when you come to it sort of things i mean your choice right now is uh you

[1:55:25] Voice 7: know again by choosing to move forward with the portable water standards that's not going to

[1:55:31] Voice 7: for the ability of this process to happen.

[1:55:35] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:55:38] Voice 7: Yeah, so there's another item here. So this was something that

[1:55:41] Voice 7: was brought up a question, a question around this was

[1:55:45] Voice 4: actually

[1:55:45] Voice 7: post meeting. Trustee Dodd brought up a question

[1:55:48] Voice 7: around the zoning in the comprehensive two zone. That's

[1:55:54] Voice 7: currently permitted currently multiple units for tourist

[1:55:58] Voice 7: accommodation that actually really great um winter day area there comprehensive too um it allows for

[1:56:05] Voice 7: visitor accommodation residential dwellings um employment housing and accessory dwelling units

[1:56:10] Voice 7: i did a little chart just to show you um how many units of each thing are allowed in that area the

[1:56:16] Voice 7: question was

[1:56:17] Voice 7: was if we're allowing like you know could it could more flexibility there be more

[1:56:23] Voice 7: flexibility for more residential units as opposed to tourist accommodation and then thinking about

[1:56:29] Voice 7: it um you know there there are more checks and balances on the the tourist accommodation yeah

[1:56:37] Voice 7: requirements for because it's commercial use so there'll be requirement for uh water license and

[1:56:42] Voice 7: such um there would be uh there's dvp developed for permanent area for my character visitor

[1:56:49] Voice 7: accommodation so you wouldn't just you wouldn't have any of those

[1:56:52] Voice 7: checks about some residential

[1:56:53] Voice 7: potential so ultimately um staff analysis sort of came back to it's probably better just to

[1:57:01] Voice 7: to have that if a developer wants to rezone it let them let them go and rezone it because the

[1:57:07] Voice 7: big question in that area is water so that would be that would be the big thing and also you know

[1:57:12] Voice 7: if you're having you know you're you you have if you're having full-time use year round and

[1:57:17] Voice 7: the institutions of the water are there so so it was an interesting question and it was an

[1:57:22] Voice 7: interesting exercise to think through but ultimately i think we should keep it the way it

[1:57:26] Voice 7: is

[1:57:26] Voice 6: okay well thank you for well laid out definitely um

[1:57:31] Voice 7: and then the final thing was this this whole

[1:57:34] Voice 7: question around organizations um holding donated land and that really is a question um uh and this

[1:57:42] Voice 7: is where i mentioned before like i haven't had any conversation with the main island conservancy it

[1:57:47] Voice 7: really isn't their their mandate um i did i did um you know i actually had independent conversations

[1:57:54] Voice 7: with both of you on this matter um um and uh and it did prompt me to go and ask a few questions

[1:58:01] Voice 7: uh so i did i did have a conversation with our um with our manager of the is trust conservancy

[1:58:09] Voice 7: currently

[1:58:09] Voice 4: and

[1:58:10] Voice 7: uh you know looking after property is one thing and that's hard enough

[1:58:15] Voice 7: but maintaining a proper housing is a completely other story and it's not something that i think

[1:58:21] Voice 7: it sort of crossed their mind once but they quickly went away from that um i i had a really

[1:58:29] Voice 7: great conversation with uh crd staff and um you know again like they're they're very open to

[1:58:38] Voice 7: thinking it through but for them ultimately where it comes what it comes down to is it's got a it's

[1:58:45] Voice 7: really got to be a site specific thing it's really hard to know because you never know what you're

[1:58:49] Voice 7: going to inherit like if you were if you know if you were to inherit a perfect perfect building no

[1:58:56] Voice 7: maintenance needed you could rent it out right away it can maintain it you know it can maintain

[1:59:01] Voice 7: itself to rental perfect scenario but if you've got something that needs lots of repair etc etc

[1:59:08] Voice 7: then um it becomes a liability so um and then uh um yeah habitat for humanity we've had that

[1:59:17] Voice 7: discussion and really they they are they are the one organization that we know yeah can accept and

[1:59:25] Voice 7: manage

[1:59:25] Voice 10: property

[1:59:26] Voice 7: so that's so really nothing has shifted in terms of what the opportunity

[1:59:32] Voice 7: is based on my exploration of those options.

[1:59:40] Voice 7: So yeah, anyway, I don't know

[1:59:42] Voice 7: if there was anything else there,

[1:59:44] Voice 7: but that's the end of my report.

[1:59:47] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:59:49] Voice 8: Well

[1:59:50] Voice 6: done, a lot of really good work.

[1:59:53] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:59:53] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:00:08] Voice 7: but

[2:00:09] Voice 6: it's a lot of looking at things that one minute you think oh this work and then you come

[2:00:14] Voice 6: back and yeah so it's it's sort of getting to the detail of what actually is doing

[2:00:19] Voice 7: yeah i mean

[2:00:19] Voice 7: there's a lot to think about and i think that this is where also there's there is really real value

[2:00:24] Voice 7: you this regional planning approach to doing the project for main island and also looking at

[2:00:30] Voice 7: housing on on gabriel at the same time so these three projects kind of inform each other

[2:00:37] Voice 5: um so i've just been reflecting on sort of the earlier part of our conversation and looking back

[2:00:44] Voice 5: at your previous report from february 24th where did we land with the clustered small unit housing

[2:00:53] Voice 5: closing uh as a definition and should we be using that rather than a modular home village or that

[2:01:02] Voice 5: sort of the language the language of clustered small unit because it's it's more flexible

[2:01:09] Voice 5: that's

[2:01:10] Voice 7: that's what we yeah

[2:01:11] Voice 5: it is that that's where we landed so

[2:01:13] Voice 7: yeah so also i would just say like

[2:01:16] Voice 7: we want consistency across trust area yeah so if that shit like it may it may be that our

[2:01:22] Voice 7: we ship to something better but that's kind of what we're using right now because because it

[2:01:27] Voice 7: is more open because it could be it could be you know any kind of different type of of of home yeah

[2:01:34] Voice 4: so

[2:01:34] Voice 7: to specify the type of home tiny home or rv or whatever it's like to be really that's very

[2:01:39] Voice 7: but i

[2:01:42] Voice 12: think it's a good point you know is just why we should come up with a better name and if

[2:01:48] Voice 12: we come up

[2:01:48] Voice 7: with that would be great and we've got you know we've got these three different

[2:01:52] Voice 7: projects coming up so you know somebody in one of these communities that the trustees will come up

[2:01:57] Voice 7: with something brilliant yeah um you know maybe the planners but i don't know but but you know

[2:02:03] Voice 7: like i mean just put it out there somebody comes up with a a great uh yeah uh but i mean basically

[2:02:09] Voice 7: what we're trying to describe is a is a cluster of small and compact yeah and i

[2:02:16] Voice 7: i think i think

[2:02:17] Voice 7: the key there is um is is is keep it yeah keeping it clustered and not spread out on the property

[2:02:23] Voice 7: yeah it's

[2:02:25] Voice 12: just because we'll use a term like trailer park is that people have a stereotype

[2:02:29] Voice 12: to something that is not what we're trying to strive for so i

[2:02:34] Voice 12: think our language should be that

[2:02:35] Voice 12: and maybe that would be the cluster type name is it we need to i think as a trust come up with a

[2:02:41] Voice 12: better term yeah that reflects what what we really want to see because trailer park is not where it

[2:02:47] Voice 12: is tiny

[2:02:49] Voice 7: home village i mean all of those yeah

[2:02:51] Voice 8: they still are restricted yeah yeah

[2:02:53] Voice 5: yeah so i've

[2:02:55] Voice 5: been thinking about it a lot and we talked about on the way up i was like we need to grant that

[2:02:59] Voice 5: idea but we haven't quite landed on what is that cluster limiting the impact making sure they're

[2:03:06] Voice 5: all together and supporting multiple forms so let's keep working on that but i think the intent

[2:03:11] Voice 5: is as long as the intent is great okay i think it's great work and um did we we

[2:03:20] Voice 12: got a bunch of

[2:03:20] Voice 12: motions we got some

[2:03:21] Voice 5: motions we gotta move way

[2:03:24] Voice 4: back there all right we've

[2:03:26] Voice 5: got a revised project

[2:03:27] Voice 5: charter let's go to that are you comfortable with right at the top at 128 is the charter

[2:03:36] Voice 5: so this pushes the timelines bylaw drafting in may and june

[2:03:44] Voice 7: yep which

[2:03:50] Voice 5: is fine i just want to see when our next main meetings are

[2:03:55] Voice 5: May 26th and July 28th

[2:04:06] Voice 5: so it's quite a gap

[2:04:07] Voice 5: so

[2:04:09] Voice 3: if we don't

[2:04:11] Voice 5: yeah

[2:04:11] Voice 5: we don't have anything in June

[2:04:13] Voice 5: thank you

[2:04:14] Voice 5: I know

[2:04:16] Voice 6: we've been having

[2:04:18] Voice 6: trust council this part

[2:04:20] Voice 6: June is very busy

[2:04:22] Voice 5: and

[2:04:22] Voice 6: we

[2:04:24] Voice 5: don't

[2:04:27] Voice 5: there isn't the opportunity for a community information meeting maybe in june or should we

[2:04:32] Voice 5: uh i

[2:04:33] Voice 7: would say the jubilee ola um schedule is quite busy well

[2:04:39] Voice 6: you won't you won't get that

[2:04:40] Voice 6: mainliner article i would go till june the first that you're in the year

[2:04:45] Voice 6: oh would be in may may

[2:04:47] Voice 6: 20th will be the cutoff to get that

[2:04:49] Voice 6: in for june 1st yeah we don't have a weekly so there wouldn't

[2:04:54] Voice 7: there isn't there isn't stuff the end of july to

[2:04:56] Voice 7: do uh independent community no

[2:04:59] Voice 5: so so we're

[2:05:00] Voice 5: looking at july 28th for that potential community information meeting with our ltc meeting so is

[2:05:08] Voice 5: that realistic for bylaw drafting you would you're still drafting and we could get to first reading

[2:05:14] Voice 5: by july or would that even get pushed out even further for if we're asking for input from

[2:05:20] Voice 5: community yeah

[2:05:21] Voice 7: i forgot i mean uh where are we made when you're next you do have an end of may

[2:05:25] Voice 7: meeting i think you can have the community information meeting then oh because that's

[2:05:31] Voice 7: for the it's a fairly straightforward i think um meeting

[2:05:35] Voice 5: but she was saying you can't get an

[2:05:36] Voice 5: article

[2:05:36] Voice 6: that what you're going

[2:05:37] Voice 5: to put in your liner

[2:05:38] Voice 6: you won't well you won't have the article

[2:05:41] Voice 6: show up till june the first oh right

[2:05:43] Voice 6: so this sort of tweaks someone's interest right yeah which is

[2:05:49] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:05:50] Voice 7: so we may need to shift the project charter a little bit more.

[2:05:55] Voice 7: So the first reading probably wouldn't be until, I guess, September,

[2:05:59] Voice 7: because there's no August meeting.

[2:06:01] Voice 7: How does the LCC feel about that?

[2:06:04] Voice 6: You're still going to be able to get, you know, if you have that in July,

[2:06:08] Voice 6: then you've got, can you not have second and third for October with July,

[2:06:13] Voice 6: August, September?

[2:06:15] Voice 3: so that's

[2:06:15] Voice 6: not really well you had

[2:06:17] Voice 3: first reading

[2:06:18] Voice 6: in july but first reading in july

[2:06:21] Voice 7: well could you have first reading in july though if you're thinking about flex housing

[2:06:27] Voice 7: right and potential it's only first

[2:06:29] Voice 12: reading like we can

[2:06:31] Voice 7: you can change things afterwards

[2:06:32] Voice 12: yeah

[2:06:32] Voice 7: yeah so you could actually yeah yeah you can have your there you go

[2:06:36] Voice 12: because this is like

[2:06:37] Voice 12: the policy statement the first reading

[2:06:38] Voice 12: is just yeah okay so

[2:06:41] Voice 7: we could have the cim at the same

[2:06:44] Voice 7: time great awesome

[2:06:45] Voice 5: exciting in july that is going to be a busy summer

[2:06:59] Voice 9: in the garden

[2:07:07] Voice 5: okay

[2:07:07] Voice 12: good for motions good for that

[2:07:10] Voice 5: one if you want to go ahead so

[2:07:12] Voice 12: i'll move with the main island

[2:07:13] Voice 12: local trust committee endorsed the revised project chartered for the main island housing options

[2:07:17] Voice 12: project

[2:07:18] Voice 5: seconded by trustee dogs any discussion i think we've discussed enough all those in favor

[2:07:25] Voice 12: that is great and then i'll move the main island trust committee request staff incorporate the

[2:07:29] Voice 12: following into draft bylaws for the main island housing options project creating one cottage

[2:07:34] Voice 12: on loss of 0.48 hectare one acre 2.6 acres hectares for a total combined floor area all

[2:07:43] Voice 12: the drawings does not exceed 232 meters squared 2500 square feet expanding flex housing zoning

[2:07:50] Voice 12: as recommended by staff based on the map and attachment to prevent rvs as a temporary dwelling

[2:07:56] Voice 12: if an active building permit for a permanent dwelling is in place and reduce system size

[2:08:01] Voice 12: size requirements for the dwellings under 1,000 square feet.

[2:08:05] Voice 5: Seconded. Great. Moved and seconded.

[2:08:07] Voice 12: We didn't do anything else other than that?

[2:08:09] Voice 7: No, we can just see past the resolutions for the dwellings. Perfect.

[2:08:12] Voice 5: Perfect. Excellent, excellent.

[2:08:14] Voice 5: All those in favour?

[2:08:16] Voice 5: Carried. Thank you so much.

[2:08:19] Voice 5: Moving forward. I like it.

[2:08:24] Voice 5: Very pretty map as well, thanks to our

[2:08:27] Voice 5: GIS.

[2:08:27] Voice 21: Yes, very pretty.

[2:08:28] Voice 21: pretty that's their

[2:08:32] Voice 11: father would be pleased

[2:08:33] Voice 21: oh do you know another property

[2:08:35] Voice 21: okay

[2:08:36] Voice 12: all

[2:08:40] Voice 5: right so we're a little bit ahead of schedule um active projects report and our future

[2:08:45] Voice 5: projects list are there if we want to discuss them

[2:08:48] Voice 12: um future projects

[2:08:50] Voice 5: i

[2:08:51] Voice 12: don't know if we have

[2:08:52] Voice 12: the application or not to put it on the list but just with what's happening on the island i really

[2:08:58] Voice 12: really would like to think about heritage structures.

[2:09:01] Voice 21: Heritage structures.

[2:09:02] Voice 12: A lot of other

[2:09:04] Voice 12: and we have and you know we have some properties that potentially are being threatened.

[2:09:15] Voice 5: So like a register?

[2:09:17] Voice 12: Yeah so just

[2:09:18] Voice 12: giving a heritage designation. So

[2:09:21] Voice 6: a question about heritage

[2:09:22] Voice 6: heritage designation does the owner of the property like say it was the egg hall do they

[2:09:29] Voice 6: not have to agree to be designated heritage

[2:09:41] Voice 12: yeah but this is sort of more land use so i don't

[2:09:45] Voice 12: know maybe we need to do research but i think

[2:09:47] Voice 12: the future list

[2:09:49] Voice 12: Yeah, and that would

[2:09:50] Voice 6: answer that question.

[2:09:53] Voice 12: There's probably a handful that I would suggest, you know,

[2:09:56] Voice 12: we really should turn our eyes to encouraging the preservation.

[2:10:01] Voice 5: There was a discussion at Gabriel and LTC,

[2:10:05] Voice 5: because this came as a request when Silla Bay was sort of being demolished

[2:10:11] Voice 5: and there was the historic waterways, basically.

[2:10:14] Voice 5: and to investigate a heritage register that um renee got back to us after about a year and said

[2:10:23] Voice 5: because the heritage conservation act was being amended and because heritage is not just understood

[2:10:29] Voice 5: as settler heritage there's other types of designations it's it's hard for an ltc to hold

[2:10:36] Voice 5: that so we didn't get any report back oh robert says i

[2:10:42] Voice 2: don't know if

[2:10:42] Voice 5: you've got any uh wise words

[2:10:44] Voice 5: on uh heritage designations or thank you thank you

[2:10:47] Voice 2: chair um so in short there's sort of three

[2:10:51] Voice 2: different avenues a local government or local trust committee could take there's a there's like

[2:10:56] Voice 2: a heritage um a list basically that has no that just sort of recognizes um the status of the

[2:11:03] Voice 2: properties there's actual heritage bylaws which are primarily for buildings like saturnas community

[2:11:08] Voice 2: hall the old community hall has one of those on and then there's a heritage conservation

[2:11:14] Voice 2: area designation it's like a development permit area and they all have different implications

[2:11:18] Voice 2: for your owners and for the

[2:11:20] Voice 2: government so if yeah if you put it on your future projects list

[2:11:23] Voice 2: and you decide to elevate it at some point then you would get all those options okay

[2:11:30] Voice 12: I would like to do that

[2:11:32] Voice 3: let's put it on the list

[2:11:33] Voice 3: so

[2:11:34] Voice 5: to add to future projects

[2:11:36] Voice 12: do we need a motion to add that back to your list

[2:11:38] Voice 12: yeah

[2:11:41] Voice 12: so I would

[2:11:42] Voice 12: move

[2:11:44] Voice 12: what would be the appropriate word to be using

[2:11:46] Voice 12: heritage

[2:11:48] Voice 7: heritage protection

[2:11:50] Voice 6: heritage structure protection

[2:11:52] Voice 6: thinking buildings

[2:11:53] Voice 12: I would move the heritage structure protection

[2:11:55] Voice 12: protection be added to the future projects list excellent

[2:12:00] Voice 5: moved and seconder seconded by trustee

[2:12:03] Voice 5: dodds all those in favor that is carried thank you very much thank you good good suggestion

[2:12:09] Voice 5: we're happy

[2:12:10] Voice 5: to see some info come back on that okay so we have an applications report uh page

[2:12:16] Voice 5: 133 to 135 is there anything you'd like to raise any questions for staff i just

[2:12:22] Voice 6: can i ask a question

[2:12:23] Voice 6: about how is the temporary use permit for the marine docks going ah it's a process

[2:12:36] Voice 2: chair um we're waiting for a base essentially we're waiting for a survey plan from the applicants

[2:12:42] Voice 2: delineating the area that they want to use for the storage of the docks okay yeah okay thank you

[2:12:52] Voice 3: perfect excellent um

[2:12:57] Voice 5: this is the last report from the previous fiscal i believe oh no we'll have

[2:13:03] Voice 5: march i guess come out um but i do understand that the ltcs are going to be involved in budgeting

[2:13:09] Voice 5: for future ltc meetings uh and so the director of financial and human resources has said um

[2:13:18] Voice 5: to sort of pay attention i'm not sure if that's coming through the rpms but um we'll have a bit

[2:13:24] Voice 5: more of a say on how many meetings we're having in there for how much the budget is so we can

[2:13:29] Voice 5: hopefully

[2:13:29] Voice 10: be

[2:13:30] Voice 5: a little more precise when it comes to fine and we've got our standing resolutions

[2:13:39] Voice 5: uh listed and finally uh the text for inclusion in the uh annual reports

[2:13:47] Voice 5: on page 142 is there any changes you um only thing i can my

[2:13:55] Voice 12: only comment is this is really

[2:13:56] Voice 12: really bland i know

[2:13:58] Voice 12: it's not a lot of creative involvement right do

[2:14:04] Voice 3: you think the minister of

[2:14:05] Voice 3: musical affairs and housing is going to read all of this no

[2:14:10] Voice 12: but in the past years it's been a little

[2:14:12] Voice 12: little bit more of a yeah of a commentary there yeah but

[2:14:16] Voice 12: it's no objections to it but it just

[2:14:19] Voice 12: yeah it rained like of course i'm seeing a lot of these oh yeah and

[2:14:22] Voice 12: it's just like it's like

[2:14:23] Voice 12: blah blah blah it's generic

[2:14:28] Voice 12: i agree

[2:14:29] Voice 5: if you want to amend it now's the time

[2:14:33] Voice 5: we

[2:14:34] Voice 12: still

[2:14:36] Voice 5: have a problem with fallow deer

[2:14:39] Voice 5: follow deer continue to be an invasive species but and they're not going to ongoing conversations

[2:14:44] Voice 3: with the crt but i think

[2:14:46] Voice 12: that's literally i think we'd actually put that in last year

[2:14:49] Voice 12: yeah yeah and

[2:14:50] Voice 12: and and of course there was a lot more um statements about indigenous nations and

[2:14:54] Voice 12: such yeah right

[2:14:55] Voice 12: so it's it's just it just struck me as kind of bland it is

[2:14:59] Voice 12: but as i say that like

[2:15:00] Voice 12: you know it is what it is there's there's nothing fashionably wrong with that if you'd like to make

[2:15:05] Voice 5: a change. I don't dare.

[2:15:10] Voice 5: You'd have to draft it.

[2:15:11] Voice 12: You'd have to work it. Next year we'll

[2:15:15] Voice 12: talk about people. Oh dear.

[2:15:16] Voice 5: Oh dear. Yes. So does anyone want to move the recommendation?

[2:15:22] Voice 12: Recommendation. Oh there it is. I will move that the Man on Level Trust Committee approves

[2:15:26] Voice 12: the detached tax for inclusion in the 2024-25 annual report for approval by the Trust Council

[2:15:31] Voice 12: and submission of the Minister of Housing and Municipal Affairs.

[2:15:34] Voice 12: errors excellent

[2:15:35] Voice 5: seconded by trustee dogs all those in favor that is carried thank you thank

[2:15:40] Voice 5: you and now we come to our oh i skipped ahead again because i was going through the agenda

[2:15:49] Voice 5: route i skipped our chair's report and trustees report oh goodness so back up to 13.6 uh i'll

[2:16:00] Voice 5: try to give a brief report here where are we at my goodness um so last executive committee meeting

[2:16:09] Voice 5: was april 23rd uh item of note there was an interesting report on crown tenure application

[2:16:16] Voice 5: referrals executive committee is uh has been asking staff um for some advice because uh some

[2:16:25] Voice 5: Some LTCs are wanting to see some of

[2:16:28] Voice 5: the Crown tenure referrals.

[2:16:31] Voice 5: And so we're in a bit of a conversation to discuss how that could be updated,

[2:16:35] Voice 5: including requesting an update to the MOU with the related ministry,

[2:16:43] Voice 5: but that would be, or the agreement, sorry, letter of agreement.

[2:16:45] Voice 5: That would be quite a long process.

[2:16:49] Voice 5: I attended AVICC and was very sad.

[2:16:52] Voice 5: And we had to limit the number of executive committee members.

[2:16:57] Voice 5: It was just myself and two others, members of executive and our chair.

[2:17:03] Voice 5: April 12th to 14th in Nanaimo.

[2:17:06] Voice 5: And a really interesting report that was commissioned by the Union of BC Municipalities

[2:17:11] Voice 5: on the impact of the U.S. and Canadian trade war.

[2:17:15] Voice 5: um anticipating if there's no stimulus spending there'll be a 1.5 reduction in gdp across the

[2:17:23] Voice 5: country and loss of something like 64 000 jobs um this was a presentation by ebcm president

[2:17:29] Voice 5: trish mandewo and so the province is really really turning its mind to economy and uh jobs

[2:17:39] Voice 5: And that is really going to limit, I think, some of the softer, more, a lot of the programs that we've been blessed to have under this current government.

[2:17:53] Voice 5: So it'll be interesting to see how that works out.

[2:17:56] Voice 5: um i did a presentation on the results of a tiny home regulatory project uh sort of jointly with

[2:18:06] Voice 5: the rdn and the island's trust regional district of nanaimo and this was coming out of september

[2:18:11] Voice 5: 2024 island's trust council had funded an initiative to convene technical working group

[2:18:17] Voice 5: of our planners and building inspection experts and industry and wastewater servicing professionals

[2:18:26] Voice 5: to develop options for a regulatory framework our piece regional planning committee will receive

[2:18:31] Voice 5: that final report um at our upcoming meeting on may 9th but the steering or the little steering

[2:18:38] Voice 5: committee for tiny homes has seen it and because we had to do a presentation right away we had to

[2:18:44] Voice 5: vet it and make sure it was okay um but the the amazing thing is we came up they came out with a

[2:18:51] Voice 5: finding that regional district of Nanaimo said oh we didn't realize that industry had gotten

[2:18:57] Voice 5: so close to the building code with this manufactured home design so the CSA Z240MH

[2:19:05] Voice 5: designation manufactured home designation not the RV she said they're so close

[2:19:13] Voice 5: knowing that they'd already reached that building standard meant they could actually issue a building

[2:19:18] Voice 5: permit for it oh oh my goodness um the building chief building inspector stated it would still

[2:19:24] Voice 5: need to be tied down to some kind of foundation and that's been a challenge in the past but there

[2:19:29] Voice 5: are multiple ways we can reach that um in tie downs meeting the building code or finding

[2:19:34] Voice 5: alternative ways with the structural engineer so they stated that there's a number of options that

[2:19:39] Voice 5: tiny homes can be on wheels and still be tied down and meet code requirements so this is really

[2:19:45] Voice 5: really good news and and actually the rdn was very excited about it and ready to sort of promote this

[2:19:51] Voice 5: through the building interaction professionals industry and so um the crd is also expressed

[2:19:59] Voice 5: interest uh pulpit is right in there with the uh the steering committee and uh we're continuing to

[2:20:05] Voice 5: have meetings and and figuring out how to keep

[2:20:08] Voice 4: us forward uh

[2:20:10] Voice 5: so that was my significant uh piece

[2:20:13] Voice 5: There was a really good report from Vice Chair Peterson,

[2:20:20] Voice 5: and I just wanted to highlight he had attended a really great session.

[2:20:25] Voice 5: I wish I could have gone to local governments and the TRC calls to action.

[2:20:28] Voice 5: We continue to learn the limits of the implications of DRIPA

[2:20:33] Voice 5: on the laws that structure local governments.

[2:20:39] Voice 5: and um we i think that's probably enough from abicc

[2:20:50] Voice 5: and then uh tomorrow uh no wednesday um executive committee is some of us are going to bowen island

[2:20:58] Voice 5: for an annual protocol meeting that hasn't really been happening in years except at ubcm and so

[2:21:06] Voice 5: So we're going to meet on their

[2:21:07] Voice 4: home

[2:21:08] Voice 5: island and have a little tour of, I think, their community information or their community facility that was just built.

[2:21:17] Voice 5: And coming up, I think of interest on the reconciliation front is the Hoyete-Lasquite Archaeology Project has a mural unveiling on May 3rd.

[2:21:30] Voice 5: That's this Saturday I'll be attending.

[2:21:32] Voice 5: and but it also marks the beginning of a traveling exhibit so this is where we can come to other

[2:21:38] Voice 5: islands uh and people can learn about um others interested in community-centered archaeology

[2:21:47] Voice 5: so the intent is that the exhibit will travel to other islands so if maine wants to see

[2:21:53] Voice 5: that exhibit come here um i think get in touch with trustee peterson

[2:21:57] Voice 5: and it'd be great.

[2:21:59] Voice 5: And that's probably good for me.

[2:22:01] Voice 5: How about local trustees?

[2:22:03] Voice 12: Just a question.

[2:22:03] Voice 12: Any idea how big the exhibit is?

[2:22:06] Voice 5: Oh, I don't know how big the exhibit is,

[2:22:09] Voice 5: but the, sorry, it's separate from the mural,

[2:22:11] Voice 5: which is permanent on Hoyete.

[2:22:15] Voice 5: So as you come in on the ferry,

[2:22:17] Voice 5: there'll be a big mural there.

[2:22:19] Voice 5: But I think it's,

[2:22:21] Voice 5: Saturn and trustees asked,

[2:22:23] Voice 5: and I think it's small enough to travel to,

[2:22:26] Voice 5: and be a i had a number for it i might be able to look it up let

[2:22:30] Voice 12: me check of course i just just

[2:22:32] Voice 12: curious if there's a big thing or a little thing is that's

[2:22:35] Voice 5: a good question and to either

[2:22:38] Voice 5: well

[2:22:39] Voice 6: the fellow but we had the we had the fellow gear count and uh that was back at the end of

[2:22:49] Voice 6: end of march so there were 102 people who have served on 30 preset routes and 48 personal

[2:22:56] Voice 6: properties wow and

[2:22:58] Voice 6: that was 655 fellow deer were observed um of that and there were 68 black tails

[2:23:05] Voice 6: most of the deer observed were female which is why we have a problem oh interesting yeah

[2:23:11] Voice 6: interesting so a lot of them they didn't know the gender but there was a large number of females

[2:23:16] Voice 6: so a total of 723 deer including that hill and uh anyhow that information will be sent off to

[2:23:23] Voice 6: to the Ministry of Water, Lands, and Resource Stewardship.

[2:23:27] Voice 10: And

[2:23:27] Voice 6: since then, Michael Kilpatrick, who has led this project

[2:23:31] Voice 6: and is incredibly hardworking, great help to the fellow Deer Society,

[2:23:37] Voice 6: met with Holger Bohm, who is the undulate specialist

[2:23:41] Voice 6: with Water, Lands, Resource Stewardship,

[2:23:44] Voice 6: and Stephen Henderson of the CRD participated in the count as well.

[2:23:48] Voice 6: And so he's come back with a whole lot of recommendations

[2:23:51] Voice 6: investigations, and we'll eventually take those and extrapolate that data to give us an idea of

[2:23:58] Voice 6: how many fallow we actually have. So there's a whole lot of conversation now about things we

[2:24:03] Voice 6: can do, but I think the biggest one, and we've been told this in the past, is we have to find out

[2:24:07] Voice 6: if we actually have community support in order to get funding or to

[2:24:11] Voice 6: get expanded ability to deal

[2:24:15] Voice 6: with the deer trapping rifles. We really need to know that we're not going to get a 1500 signature

[2:24:21] Voice 6: signature petition saying please save the fallow deer and the interesting thing is um it was

[2:24:27] Voice 6: suggested by um by steven that we get the crd board to visit main island because crd is key

[2:24:35] Voice 6: to getting the funding and it would filter through the crd so anyways so question has the request

[2:24:40] Voice 5: already gone to the crd board to no we haven't met this is these

[2:24:44] Voice 6: suggestions for our next for

[2:24:46] Voice 6: for our next society meeting at the Fowler Deer Committee.

[2:24:50] Voice 6: But it's definitely a very successful deer count,

[2:24:55] Voice 6: and those figures will give us material to continue on with,

[2:25:00] Voice 6: advocating for more ability, for some funding, which we don't have,

[2:25:04] Voice 6: and also for the ability, as I say, with trapping,

[2:25:08] Voice 6: maybe bringing back the rifle permits, maybe not having that.

[2:25:12] Voice 10: Anyway, very successful.

[2:25:14] Voice 6: and michael kilpatrick kudos to michael who

[2:25:17] Voice 10: has done

[2:25:18] Voice 6: and put together all of this and and to the

[2:25:20] Voice 6: people that were there that participated yes very very interesting very good turnout and there's

[2:25:26] Voice 6: actually a map that goes with it to show the areas where which of course is bennett bay

[2:25:32] Voice 6: that's where all the all the females live yeah i walk

[2:25:36] Voice 22: that every day and i see them laying

[2:25:39] Voice 22: on the grass with you know their pregnant bellies oh my god you know there's i don't know i'm i'm

[2:25:47] Voice 22: waiting for the the fawning i

[2:25:49] Voice 6: know a fawn

[2:25:49] Voice 22: is coming pretty it's coming any day yeah and i

[2:25:52] Voice 22: suspect that i'm going to see a whole lot of fawns absolutely absolutely

[2:25:56] Voice 6: yeah so anyhow it's very

[2:25:58] Voice 6: successful and we're plugging away so we will see anyhow that was that was pretty much it for me

[2:26:09] Voice 4: I

[2:26:10] Voice 12: think this is sort of clock and pace for me we're busy you know it is um thanks to the

[2:26:19] Voice 12: contributors from our friends down south we the the island's changing again is the dynamics of

[2:26:28] Voice 12: changing quite a bit you see so many more people either aren't going on vacation they're staying

[2:26:34] Voice 12: more people are coming here

[2:26:36] Voice 12: our ferries are

[2:26:38] Voice 12: actually getting quite quite busy

[2:26:40] Voice 10: we're

[2:26:41] Voice 12: not quite at

[2:26:42] Voice 12: overload most days but we're really

[2:26:44] Voice 12: really close which is not

[2:26:46] Voice 12: kind of normal so I'm expecting

[2:26:48] Voice 12: we're going to have a very very big summer

[2:26:51] Voice 12: pleased to see

[2:26:52] Voice 12: looking out the window here the work

[2:26:54] Voice 12: the Ag

[2:26:54] Voice 12: Society has been doing improving the

[2:26:56] Voice 12: grounds and such

[2:26:59] Voice 12: certainly I think they're going to be

[2:27:00] Voice 12: contributing to a vibrant

[2:27:02] Voice 12: summer on island

[2:27:04] Voice 12: But the island, you know, it's just a coming along.

[2:27:08] Voice 12: There's a

[2:27:08] Voice 12: lot more activity, a lot more enthusiasm.

[2:27:12] Voice 12: I keep commenting, again, copy and paste about the youth on the island,

[2:27:15] Voice 12: you know, their positive contributions to the island.

[2:27:18] Voice 12: And, you know, everything's pretty bright over here right now.

[2:27:22] Voice 12: So not a lot of negativity from my side of the table.

[2:27:28] Voice 12: So I'll

[2:27:29] Voice 5: leave it at

[2:27:29] Voice 12: that. Thank you.

[2:27:30] Voice 12: And

[2:27:31] Voice 5: to answer your question, I did look up the exhibit. It does say

[2:27:35] Voice 5: flexible, but it looks like it's 16 panels and accompanying video screen not provided.

[2:27:44] Voice 5: So there's a, we can send people a link to how to request it, basically. But I'm not sure.

[2:27:52] Voice 12: Do you know who's first in line to get it?

[2:27:54] Voice 12: Nope.

[2:27:55] Voice 12: I guess that would probably be the feedback is to somebody who's done it.

[2:27:59] Voice 12: okay yeah see how complicated it is yeah

[2:28:02] Voice 5: i'll find out and we can i'm sure after saturday

[2:28:07] Voice 12: yeah i like flexible flexible good

[2:28:10] Voice 5: indeed okay so uh through our report as i believe

[2:28:16] Voice 5: um electoral area director we're missing uh paul but i'm guessing he's quite busy he said his

[2:28:23] Voice 12: regrets to me that he unfortunately crd things are overtaking him he had to miss saturn last

[2:28:29] Voice 12: last week because the municipal finance

[2:28:30] Voice 12: authority made a meeting. I understand

[2:28:33] Voice 12: staff are now with the regional directors

[2:28:35] Voice 12: sending out meeting advice, like calendar

[2:28:37] Voice 12: advice, like what we have.

[2:28:38] Voice 12: So I think we're going to see a little bit more

[2:28:41] Voice 12: consistent CRD

[2:28:43] Voice 12: directors or regional district directors

[2:28:44] Voice 12: attending our meetings.

[2:28:46] Voice 5: Well, he is very busy.

[2:28:48] Voice 5: And nothing to report from the Islands Trust

[2:28:51] Voice 5: Conservancy.

[2:28:53] Voice 5: So we're going to go into

[2:28:54] Voice 5: a closed meeting in a minute, but I'll just

[2:28:58] Voice 5: state that our

[2:28:59] Voice 5: Our next regular meeting is scheduled for May 26, 2025, here at the Ex-Cultural Hall.

[2:29:05] Voice 5: May 26.

[2:29:06] Voice 5: What am I talking about?

[2:29:07] Voice 5: Me.

[2:29:07] Voice 5: Is it May 26?

[2:29:08] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:29:08] Voice 5: I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day.

[2:29:10] Voice 5: Isn't that today?

[2:29:11] Voice 5: Are we not in May?

[2:29:13] Voice 5: No.

[2:29:13] Voice 5: It's

[2:29:14] Voice 3: a bad sign.

[2:29:15] Voice 3: Oh, God.

[2:29:15] Voice 3: I'm so tired.

[2:29:17] Voice 5: So

[2:29:18] Voice 3: we do have a town

[2:29:19] Voice 5: hall, and two of you have very patiently sat through our meeting today.

[2:29:24] Voice 5: Do you wish to address the local cast committee or say anything?

[2:29:27] Voice 5: thing no

[2:29:28] Voice 21: just thank you well

[2:29:30] Voice 5: thank you thank

[2:29:31] Voice 21: you it's been a great

[2:29:32] Voice 21: meeting just really enjoying

[2:29:34] Voice 21: how many people all work together oh no you're pretty good oh thank you

[2:29:42] Voice 5: we tried

[2:29:43] Voice 5: appreciate it it's nice to hear that encouragement yeah

[2:29:46] Voice 21: i did have one thing on my mind but you know

[2:29:49] Voice 21: it's really just my mind and that was

[2:29:52] Voice 21: is allowing, moving the...

[2:30:00] Voice 21: Residents, the commercial dwelling, you were going to change it in a couple of the CA or the C to allow them to be rental, residential rental units.

[2:30:20] Voice 21: And I have one in my neighborhood that's part of a restricted, sightsee restricted,

[2:30:29] Voice 9: which

[2:30:30] Voice 21: the commercial end of it is being rented out and it becomes a legal way of renting out

[2:30:40] Voice 21: the dwelling, which it isn't at this time.

[2:30:47] Voice 21: it's to go with the commercial business only you know it doesn't it's restricted to the commercial

[2:30:56] Voice 21: business as a

[2:30:58] Voice 21: dwelling um i didn't really prepare to speak to this okay if you um if you allow that

[2:31:09] Voice 21: change it makes it it makes it likely to have any property and currently there's no owner living on

[2:31:18] Voice 21: whether there is a worker or a renter, perhaps, operating the commercial business,

[2:31:28] Voice 21: if you open it up to wide-open rental, it kind of takes away from the fact that that's a very restricted business as well.

[2:31:41] Voice 21: And if we ever have somebody that wants to be a mechanic on our island and bring their family here,

[2:31:48] Voice 21: contribute to the island they very likely won't be able to afford to rent a business on this property

[2:31:56] Voice 21: and as well because it's not a big business it's just a little business and it comes with a house

[2:32:07] Voice 10: so

[2:32:07] Voice 21: i'm kind of opposed to having that change to a wide open rental and i know we have a housing

[2:32:15] Voice 21: housing shortage, and that we have to deal with it.

[2:32:18] Voice 21: But I just think that that's not a good move to make.

[2:32:21] Voice 21: It'll make the property more expensive next time it goes for sale.

[2:32:26] Voice 21: And there's two streams of revenue which make it desirable for an investor.

[2:32:31] Voice 21: And an investor might not even live on an island, right?

[2:32:36] Voice 21: They might live somewhere else.

[2:32:38] Voice 21: So I was asking for

[2:32:39] Voice 6: a change to that.

[2:32:41] Voice 21: Okay.

[2:32:41] Voice 21: Well,

[2:32:42] Voice 6: on the map, it is not one of the proposed flex areas on the map.

[2:32:47] Voice 6: I actually noticed that, too.

[2:32:48] Voice 21: Within a day or two of my asking,

[2:32:53] Voice 6: I'm

[2:32:54] Voice 21: having another look at that.

[2:32:55] Voice 21: It didn't show up.

[2:32:56] Voice 21: That's when you put the...

[2:33:00] Voice 6: So because that one is already so site-specifically zoned.

[2:33:05] Voice 6: But I'm

[2:33:06] Voice 21: thinking that for any one that comes with a commercial, you know.

[2:33:10] Voice 6: Yeah, you're allowed to have a house at a commercial.

[2:33:14] Voice 6: Yeah, they should

[2:33:16] Voice 21: be attached to one another, and not two separate remedies for ease, because that's how I feel about it.

[2:33:23] Voice 6: Right. So technically, like that property, they are able to rent the house out, they don't live there, and then the business facility is rented out.

[2:33:32] Voice 6: And then, of course, at Fern Hill, the house now has become a retail outlet, too.

[2:33:37] Voice 21: And how did that happen?

[2:33:38] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah, I see your point.

[2:33:41] Voice 21: Because that's a very busy little corner.

[2:33:43] Voice 6: That's

[2:33:43] Voice 21: another thing that really needs to be looked at in terms of our food truck services,

[2:33:52] Voice 1: our

[2:33:52] Voice 21: coffee truck there in particular, which we have a terrible time going into our mailbox.

[2:33:58] Voice 1: We don't

[2:33:58] Voice 21: walk there anymore because it's uphill to use the road and it's too dangerous

[2:34:03] Voice 21: when it's now going through the village.

[2:34:06] Voice 21: So we drive.

[2:34:09] Voice 21: and half the time

[2:34:11] Voice 21: can't park in front of the mailboxes

[2:34:13] Voice 21: and are going up the road because there's parking

[2:34:15] Voice 21: all over. It's not just

[2:34:17] Voice 21: the coffee truck though, it's the addition

[2:34:19] Voice 21: of the house with three businesses

[2:34:21] Voice 21: in it and

[2:34:23] Voice 21: it's the entrance to

[2:34:25] Voice 21: our park

[2:34:26] Voice 21: and the road's very narrow

[2:34:29] Voice 21: and I just really

[2:34:31] Voice 21: feel that there's going to be

[2:34:32] Voice 21: an accident of some sort

[2:34:35] Voice 21: there.

[2:34:35] Voice 6: I guess in our

[2:34:37] Voice 6: zoning that it is permitted the way the zoning was written up without thinking about the impact of

[2:34:43] Voice 6: of that particular commercial zone area but yeah that's why hans had to put the gates

[2:34:48] Voice 21: yes because

[2:34:49] Voice 6: people parked in his driveway yeah

[2:34:51] Voice 21: so i was at one time

[2:34:52] Voice 21: but the

[2:35:00] Voice 6: one on horton bay road is certainly one to watch out for because that is a very

[2:35:05] Voice 6: residential area as well and a lot of traffic somewhere okay point taken thank

[2:35:10] Voice 21: you for that

[2:35:10] Voice 21: thank you thank you very much i

[2:35:12] Voice 21: did notice that once the uh the report came out

[2:35:16] Voice 21: and i looked at them and i said there's nothing on it so good maybe it's

[2:35:22] Voice 21: and yes thank you very much thank you okay

[2:35:28] Voice 22: okay thank

[2:35:29] Voice 3: you so much

[2:35:31] Voice 3: take care everyone okay i just want

[2:35:34] Voice 22: to say i'm glad to hear that tiny

[2:35:36] Voice 22: homes are being considered as as legitimate um property options my my uh tenant

[2:35:46] Voice 8: in the tiny home

[2:35:47] Voice 8: is absolutely happy it's properly sited and we had our delivery permit and took a little bit to

[2:35:54] Voice 8: to get it done, but it's, yeah, it's a good thing.

[2:35:58] Voice 8: And the cat settled down.

[2:35:59] Voice 8: And the cat has settled down.

[2:36:02] Voice 8: I

[2:36:03] Voice 3: beeped 13 times and the cat's like, no.

[2:36:07] Voice 6: Cat didn't like it at first, but he came back.

[2:36:10] Voice 3: He has a

[2:36:11] Voice 6: cat for me.

[2:36:15] Voice 12: Lisa, did you come up with our extra letter?

[2:36:20] Voice 17: Lisa, oh, yeah, she did.

[2:36:21] Voice 5: Yes,

[2:36:22] Voice 17: Trustee Maud, I sent the revised motion to Chair Elliott.

[2:36:27] Voice 5: Well,

[2:36:27] Voice 12: then Chair Elliott's going to read the motion again.

[2:36:29] Voice 12: I'm going to read it.

[2:36:31] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:36:31] Voice 12: I

[2:36:32] Voice 5: move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter,

[2:36:36] Voice 5: Part 4, Division 3, Section 91A and I,

[2:36:44] Voice 5: for a personal information about an identifiable individual who holds

[2:36:49] Voice 5: or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee,

[2:36:52] Voice 5: or agent of the municipality or another position appointed

[2:36:54] Voice 5: by the municipality, and I, the receipt of advice that is subject

[2:36:58] Voice 5: to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary

[2:37:02] Voice 5: for that purpose, and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[2:37:08] Voice 12: So, seconded.

[2:37:08] Voice 5: Seconded by Trustee Mudd.

[2:37:10] Voice 5: All those in favor?

[2:37:12] Voice 5: That is carried.

[2:37:14] Voice 5: We'll see you

[2:37:15] Voice 3: all in May.

[2:37:18] Voice 10: Except for staff.

[2:37:19] Voice 5: hello robert hello david is