Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, June 26, 2025

[0:02:22] Voice 6: as well as Warren Dingman,

[0:02:24] Voice 6: Manager of By-law Enforcement.

[0:02:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, Nerissa Chadwick will also be joining us.

[0:02:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you, with the OCP project.

[0:02:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): This meeting is an official forum

[0:02:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): for your local trust committee

[0:02:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): to make decisions about land use planning matters

[0:02:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): and to discuss relevant business.

[0:02:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is also a place of employment.

[0:02:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Our staff have the right

[0:02:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:02:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): I will be coming back.

[0:02:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): Will there be a moment

[0:02:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we'll be able to hear from the public?

[0:02:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'll come back to that in a moment.

[0:02:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): But first, we have an agenda before us.

[0:02:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): are there any additions or changes to the agenda rpm general uh

[0:03:00] Trustee Elliott: thanks chair um just to note um

[0:03:03] Trustee Elliott: sonia fanner sonia zubinik will be uh attending in person um she'll come just before noon for that

[0:03:10] Trustee Elliott: agenda item for the dp application warren will also be attending in person for his items

[0:03:16] Trustee Elliott: and there will be a planner chatwick nurse will be attending virtually

[0:03:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): I did have a request from a Mudge Island person that we clarify exactly what we did at the last

[0:03:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): meeting in regard to the applications that they would appreciate just a clarification I have

[0:03:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): spoke to Warren Dingman just that we if we could have a brief conversation on that perhaps as I

[0:03:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't know if that's new business but we can stick it there because it is new business to this meeting

[0:03:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): just to make sure we were crystal clear

[0:03:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): and all in agreement on what we were saying

[0:03:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): so they'll communicate with the public clearly.

[0:03:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, from the...

[0:03:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes.

[0:03:59] Voice 9: Excuse me for a few seconds.

[0:04:01] Voice 9: I got a runny nose from that allergy

[0:04:05] Voice 9: and I forgot to bring something.

[0:04:07] Voice 9: All right.

[0:04:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any other changes to the agenda while we wait?

[0:04:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): To general consent when she returns.

[0:04:16] Trustee Elliott: I didn't know there were four members of the public today, and thank you for coming in person.

[0:04:23] Trustee Elliott: It's always nice to see people from our community.

[0:04:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, can we approve then the agenda as amended through general consent?

[0:04:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes.

[0:04:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Excellent. So we're going to move on to trustee reports. Who'd like to go first?

[0:04:38] Trustee Elliott: Oh, trustee, you go first.

[0:04:40] Trustee Elliott: Sure.

[0:04:42] Trustee Elliott: So thank you, Chair, as you noted.

[0:04:44] Trustee Elliott: We just celebrated National Indigenous Peoples Day on June 21st,

[0:04:47] Trustee Elliott: first and it was an opportunity and i believe it's still an opportunity to celebrate uh this week

[0:04:54] Trustee Elliott: today i know that um canoe carver beau wagner is on gabriola and um the they're screening

[0:05:02] Trustee Elliott: uh the film the documentary that was made our teacher which i had a chance to see at the salt

[0:05:08] Trustee Elliott: spring island um indigenous people's film festival it was amazing and of course everyone on gabriela

[0:05:15] Trustee Elliott: the children know best of how the impact of his his teachings that um that were passed on by Elder

[0:05:23] Trustee Elliott: Sampson and so I believe Bo's on the island today um there's been quite a few activities and I think

[0:05:30] Trustee Elliott: on Canada Day quite there's going to be quite a strong focus on um uh supporting Indigenous

[0:05:36] Trustee Elliott: cultural programming from the museum. I did go over to Nanaimo. There was a lovely small

[0:05:47] Trustee Elliott: celebration at Mafeo Sutton Park, and I was very happy that the Manukunu family were there,

[0:05:52] Trustee Elliott: and they actually led us all in the friendship dance. There was about 20 people, and they had

[0:06:00] Trustee Elliott: these beautiful red capes and so the mana canoe um family we started become closer in the in the

[0:06:07] Trustee Elliott: last few years uh we'll be doing another fundraiser for uh their travels or their um ability to go on

[0:06:15] Trustee Elliott: travel journeys which happens annually as a revitalization and cultural connection

[0:06:22] Trustee Elliott: hundreds of canoes from all up and down the coast um travel south to a destination and then

[0:06:28] Trustee Elliott: do protofalls and potlatch and celebrations. So I'm really excited to welcome and see Elder Gary

[0:06:37] Trustee Elliott: Matson and the Munna Canoe family coming back to Gabriela. That's July 6th. There's an article in

[0:06:44] Trustee Elliott: my paper that I wrote, so we're encouraging everybody to join in, purchase a ticket,

[0:06:50] Trustee Elliott: a seat in this canoe, and we're going to have a salmon lunch. I've got all my notes,

[0:06:53] Trustee Elliott: so i'll send them to you um but a little bit more so i'll highlight mostly the reconciliation

[0:06:58] Trustee Elliott: activities in the last it's almost been two months so oceans day on june 6th um was a great day that

[0:07:06] Trustee Elliott: uh it's the name of first nation marine division and dfo jointly organized and hosted with

[0:07:14] Trustee Elliott: community members breaking bannock and there's barbecued salmon bannock venison burgers it was

[0:07:20] Trustee Elliott: incredible beautiful community event number five and I spoke with the Marine

[0:07:29] Trustee Elliott: Division representatives and they shared some of their hopes for what that let

[0:07:35] Trustee Elliott: piece of land that very precious little parcel could be used for I won't share

[0:07:41] Trustee Elliott: that here but it was it's just a it's a beautiful opportunity for us to keep

[0:07:46] Trustee Elliott: connecting and learning from one another. The head of marine division also spoke about the

[0:07:52] Trustee Elliott: frustration with the referral process that they are continually subject to, but that's an

[0:07:59] Trustee Elliott: institution we're trying to shift. Then the Say Out Feast, which I don't know if you wanted to

[0:08:09] Trustee Elliott: report out on that but um your

[0:08:12] Trustee Elliott: experience with you was hosted by say out first nation on monday

[0:08:17] Trustee Elliott: june 16th and so this was a formal protocol feast at their invitation um to establish relationship

[0:08:24] Trustee Elliott: and um get some good communication between the islands trust and say out and so we were delighted

[0:08:32] Trustee Elliott: There was many young ones dancing, and they were just passionately just expressing their culture.

[0:08:41] Trustee Elliott: It was extremely vibrant and just captivating.

[0:08:47] Trustee Elliott: Their speaker spoke Sanchothan just amazingly, and I just found there's a connection to a friend of mine.

[0:08:55] Trustee Elliott: So their language revitalization is quite a deep part of the culture now.

[0:09:01] Trustee Elliott: and Chief Abraham Pelkey spoke very generously about working together and he also opened our

[0:09:08] Trustee Elliott: trust council meeting the next day on Salt Spring Island. Okay I will try not to keep this overly

[0:09:15] Trustee Elliott: long. We are also saying goodbye to a Sinemuk artist Elliot Whitehill who has been here as the

[0:09:24] Trustee Elliott: the artist-in-residence at the Kassahara Trust.

[0:09:29] Trustee Elliott: He's the son of former Sinemic Chief Doug White,

[0:09:34] Trustee Elliott: and he is such an incredible storyteller already.

[0:09:42] Trustee Elliott: He spoke powerfully about Coast Salish art

[0:09:44] Trustee Elliott: and the resurgence of art that we've been seeing

[0:09:46] Trustee Elliott: even just in the last five years.

[0:09:48] Trustee Elliott: He shared quite a few stories of what he has learned

[0:09:51] Trustee Elliott: of the stories of this land, Gabriola, and the connection of his family in Seneymoc to Gabriola,

[0:09:57] Trustee Elliott: talked quite a bit about the largest village in Seneymoc's territory that was here at False

[0:10:02] Trustee Elliott: Narrows because of the clam beds. And he had also gone in to speak to the kids, every class,

[0:10:10] Trustee Elliott: I believe, and he shared that he was really delighted by how much they already knew about

[0:10:16] Trustee Elliott: of Coast Salish art, they were, and they were talking about gifting blankets and signals of

[0:10:24] Trustee Elliott: wealth in there. So the kids were having these philosophical conversations about what is wealth.

[0:10:28] Trustee Elliott: So that comes back to Phil Wagner's teaching and impact on the children. So that's been a really

[0:10:36] Trustee Elliott: delightful, it's profoundly moving to have a synonym of artist living here on Gabriel and

[0:10:42] Trustee Elliott: and creating art like that's we need to see this so much more and he said he definitely will be back

[0:10:48] Trustee Elliott: so so communications um with the community uh in response to requests from the public who wanted

[0:10:56] Trustee Elliott: more explainers uh write-ups in the sounder um i've written four articles and an op-ed related

[0:11:04] Trustee Elliott: to the ocp review and planning processes so i'm going to try to keep going on that and going into

[0:11:10] Trustee Elliott: the topical areas that we're covering so if you've missed those articles um there's been quite a few

[0:11:16] Trustee Elliott: since april 25th we did not have any open houses in june um and pretty much because the surveys

[0:11:23] Trustee Elliott: are closed and we're now letting the planners put together the public input so we'll see some draft

[0:11:29] Trustee Elliott: policies because we had

[0:11:30] Trustee Elliott: a lot of other meetings and jews yeah i'll get to the policy statement

[0:11:36] Trustee Elliott: on may 22nd both trustee yates and chair patrick and i participate in the islands trust rdm

[0:11:42] Trustee Elliott: protocol meeting uh discussion on the enforcement of building permits collaboration on the tiny home

[0:11:47] Trustee Elliott: project the parks update um i think a little update about the ferry terminal expansion project

[0:11:54] Trustee Elliott: with the conservancy both participated in nature reserve monitoring visits with staff

[0:12:00] Trustee Elliott: may 21st and celebrated maybe you want to share about that one we can both shoot the coon's

[0:12:06] Trustee Elliott: nap tip covenant um uh celebration on gabriel i believe there's an article in the paper

[0:12:12] Trustee Elliott: but i was particularly captivated by seeing the newts in the pond that you're referred to and i

[0:12:18] Trustee Elliott: took some videos of these little things swimming

[0:12:20] Trustee Elliott: around and so it was a former quarry that um she

[0:12:24] Trustee Elliott: had let it has allowed to rewild and all the boulders have come back in and it's become

[0:12:29] Trustee Elliott: a beautiful deep pond a lot of beautiful nature there oh gosh policy statement amendment project

[0:12:38] Trustee Elliott: that is the it has been really tough to get through all of the drafting and redrafting

[0:12:47] Trustee Elliott: we've had a lot of meetings I think 15 meetings in total community the whole and

[0:12:54] Trustee Elliott: and trust programs and it's really about balancing we're setting a large

[0:13:03] Trustee Elliott: guide for decision making and setting the strategy for planning and then it comes down to how will

[0:13:11] Trustee Elliott: it be implemented and that's that is one of the key elements that we need to um think about there's

[0:13:20] Trustee Elliott: going to be a large trust-wide public engagement on the draft policy statement once we've achieved

[0:13:27] Trustee Elliott: first reading um and so this has been a working process since 2019 the new draft reflects input

[0:13:35] Trustee Elliott: from island communities indigenous discovering bodies indigenous peoples partner agencies and

[0:13:40] Trustee Elliott: the public at large. So there's quite a few lessons learned and I'll just highlight one

[0:13:49] Trustee Elliott: because of the focus on Indigenous Peoples Day month. The process of review we've been hearing

[0:13:59] Trustee Elliott: should have been co-designed with First Nations and so we've acknowledged that that even just

[0:14:05] Trustee Elliott: this process of reviewing it went out for three phases of engagement with First Nations. We've

[0:14:10] Trustee Elliott: We've had multiple iterations and all of that is recorded in the concordance tables, but the process by which a significant policy document like this should have been co-designed with nations.

[0:14:22] Trustee Elliott: So that really would have supported UNDRIP principles of Indigenous Governing Bodies' right to participate in decision-making matters.

[0:14:34] Trustee Elliott: So we aim to get to first reading by end of July, and that'll be shared for everyone to comment and give input on.

[0:14:40] Trustee Elliott: so there'll be a lot of information coming out later this summer um trust council in salt spring

[0:14:47] Trustee Elliott: last week there was there was a lot of great discussion i thought we had a round table on

[0:14:53] Trustee Elliott: a discussion on the letter from the province we had a response from the provincial ministry of

[0:14:59] Trustee Elliott: municipal affairs and housing at the yannis trust request for review i won't get into it but i think

[0:15:05] Trustee Elliott: it might be worth listening to that part of the discussion because every trustee was given a

[0:15:11] Trustee Elliott: chance to sort of reflect on um some of the directives in that letter uh specifically

[0:15:19] Trustee Elliott: the letter called us to build toward consensus with first nations and when we we did a little

[0:15:27] Trustee Elliott: digging as to what does that mean um i appreciated uh staff staff put forward this sort of

[0:15:33] Trustee Elliott: definition of working towards consensus to work in good friendship to take account of anything

[0:15:39] Trustee Elliott: we're told to give good consideration and thoughtful review and to account for everything

[0:15:45] Trustee Elliott: if we cannot incorporate it so if we have feedback from a nation saying this is what we want to see

[0:15:52] Trustee Elliott: and we can't incorporate it because of whatever restrictions what is you know the accounting for

[0:15:57] Trustee Elliott: for that is is important and yeah there was also a presentation by jerry questanahan

[0:16:07] Trustee Elliott: questanahan williams um as a special presenter and he spoke about indigenous food systems and

[0:16:12] Trustee Elliott: local indigenous history and how we can include culture and policy um he said if i was in your

[0:16:20] Trustee Elliott: role i would advise you to create an elders advisory council and so i've been mulling

[0:16:26] Trustee Elliott: that over quite a bit of uh i want to say right here trustee elliott that i've really been mulling

[0:16:33] Trustee Elliott: that over too and i really

[0:16:34] Trustee Elliott: want to make a formal request for an

[0:16:37] Trustee Elliott: executive committee to see how that

[0:16:40] Trustee Elliott: will work yeah i really want to well we need to change our entire governance structure so that's

[0:16:45] Trustee Elliott: just that would be one element and he talked about fortress conservation approaches which we still

[0:16:51] Trustee Elliott: are struggling to get out of today. The land needs to rewild. The land thrives because we look after

[0:16:58] Trustee Elliott: it. He said, we as an Indigenous peoples created the clam gardens. We selectively collected the

[0:17:05] Trustee Elliott: largest of the clams and transplanted them to other areas and they genetically work to produce

[0:17:09] Trustee Elliott: large butter clams and the same with the salmon forest. So this view that land should be just

[0:17:17] Trustee Elliott: left alone as a fortress around it nobody touch it is a very old philosophy of conservation it's

[0:17:25] Trustee Elliott: not an indigenous lens nor is it a modern um um stewardship lens our engagement with the land

[0:17:34] Trustee Elliott: is part of the supportive structure of bringing it back to its healthiest and most resilient state

[0:17:42] Trustee Elliott: so i'll leave it there that's a lot of talking thank you so much and i'll send you the main

[0:17:47] Trustee Elliott: points thank you

[0:17:50] Voice 9: trustee elliot um and thank you chair patrick so since the last local trust

[0:17:56] Voice 9: committee meeting here on gabriel it's been two months and we have had an unusual number of

[0:18:04] Trustee Elliott: engagements and meetings. I counted 17. So I sent my trustee report to Lisa just because

[0:18:14] Trustee Elliott: it can then be included in the minutes. It's quite long and I will only just give some highlights,

[0:18:20] Trustee Elliott: but maybe I'll just reflect. I didn't even include our recent trust counsel in my report because I

[0:18:26] Trustee Elliott: thought I would do a summary of that for the sound during the next couple of weeks,

[0:18:29] Trustee Elliott: But I did want to reflect on having Chief Abraham Pelkey do the welcoming drumming song.

[0:18:39] Trustee Elliott: It was just so beautiful.

[0:18:40] Trustee Elliott: And it just had such a tone of respect and thoughtfulness at the beginning of Council.

[0:18:48] Trustee Elliott: And, of course, Chris Dunham, too, and talking about food and culture.

[0:18:53] Trustee Elliott: And for them, the land is everything.

[0:18:57] Trustee Elliott: It's everything.

[0:18:58] Trustee Elliott: The water is their transportation, and the shoreline is their food, the land is their food, and the whole business of, we were talking informally at one of the breaks about treaties, and nowhere in any of the treaties does it say that they gave us the land, that's not what the treaties say at all.

[0:19:24] Trustee Elliott: so we have to really keep that in mind when we're thinking about where we live and work

[0:19:31] Trustee Elliott: so okay so i'll just do a really quick summary of some of the things that i've

[0:19:38] Voice 9: been engaged in

[0:19:39] Voice 9: as a trustee since last april um i did i'm the i was the fairy advisory committee appointee

[0:19:49] Voice 9: from the Highlands Trust,

[0:19:51] Trustee Elliott: and I still do represent the trust

[0:19:54] Trustee Elliott: as a more informal ferry advisory appointee.

[0:19:59] Trustee Elliott: And I work very carefully with the Ambulance Transportation Society

[0:20:02] Trustee Elliott: and X-Facts chairs, going back decades.

[0:20:07] Trustee Elliott: And we do continue to maintain the Ferry Advisory Committee website.

[0:20:12] Trustee Elliott: It gets lots of traffic, and it is a good place for this community

[0:20:16] Trustee Elliott: to say what they need to say about the daily service of you know riding the ferry because

[0:20:22] Trustee Elliott: that's our road and we do try to really communicate respectfully with bc ferries but they have made

[0:20:30] Trustee Elliott: it very clear that they have a new process and that the in

[0:20:35] Voice 9: -person engagement sessions will only

[0:20:37] Voice 9: be related to projects especially big projects like so we had an engagement session last sunday

[0:20:45] Voice 9: it wasn't terribly well advertised but I didn't know yeah

[0:20:51] Trustee Elliott: and so they will inform us what their

[0:20:56] Trustee Elliott: plans are and in those engagement sessions we do have a chance to let them know for example

[0:21:04] Trustee Elliott: whether it's a good idea to close a morning ferry and an evening ferry or close two morning ferries

[0:21:09] Trustee Elliott: and only have one you know so we do have a chance to say when the ferry has to be shut down

[0:21:15] Trustee Elliott: down, what days of the week are the worst to shut it down, what times of the day.

[0:21:20] Trustee Elliott: And they did take that information seriously.

[0:21:22] Trustee Elliott: I think they had an engagement last Sunday, but there weren't very many people there because

[0:21:28] Trustee Elliott: there wasn't a lot of notice ahead of time.

[0:21:31] Trustee Elliott: So Trustee Elliot and I have both been attending all of the webinars that Trust Program Committee

[0:21:42] Trustee Elliott: is

[0:21:43] Voice 9: in charge of, and they've been really interesting.

[0:21:47] Voice 9: They're always highly informative

[0:21:49] Trustee Elliott: and very relevant to the work that we do.

[0:21:52] Trustee Elliott: And we have

[0:21:55] Voice 9: a proposed stewardship education program for 2025-26

[0:21:59] Voice 9: with webinars on these possible five topics.

[0:22:03] Voice 9: the Way of Thai Archaeology Project from Mesquitee,

[0:22:07] Voice 9: protecting the shoreline, rain gardens,

[0:22:10] Voice 9: the fellow deer strategy,

[0:22:12] Voice 9: and if you think the

[0:22:14] Trustee Elliott: Colombian black-tailed deer here

[0:22:17] Trustee Elliott: are a problem, you should live on the southern Gulf Islands

[0:22:20] Trustee Elliott: where the fellow deer are just a horrible problem.

[0:22:24] Voice 9: So, and also species at risk,

[0:22:27] Voice 9: we will probably do a webinar on that as well.

[0:22:30] Voice 9: Interestingly, Gabriel, the trust area

[0:22:33] Voice 9: area has the highest number of attendees at all

[0:22:36] Trustee Elliott: of the Stewardship Education Program webinars oh yeah

[0:22:39] Trustee Elliott: yep 20 apparently it's

[0:22:42] Voice 9: pretty good um so um on May 21st uh trustee Elliot and I both did the

[0:22:49] Voice 9: nature Reserve monitoring

[0:22:50] Trustee Elliott: with the Island Trust Conservancy staff and a few a couple people from

[0:22:55] Trustee Elliott: the Gulf and Margaret Taylor who donated one of the reserves for his acres and um it's really

[0:23:02] Trustee Elliott: heartening to see that the

[0:23:05] Voice 9: control of invasive species and just letting an

[0:23:09] Voice 9: area come back to what it really should be doing naturally is working and I'm

[0:23:16] Trustee Elliott: really impressed with the ITC staff they just they work such long days and they

[0:23:22] Trustee Elliott: do such careful work with the surveying and the GPS

[0:23:26] Voice 9: and the note-taking relating

[0:23:29] Voice 9: Relating to this, close to that date, I worked with a couple of people from Galt, and we

[0:23:35] Voice 9: pulled 1,533 small broom plants from the little meadow that's part of kind of the

[0:23:42] Voice 9: Silwings Bay Nature Reserve, and that was very satisfying.

[0:23:47] Voice 9: We also did the annual covenant monitoring with IDC staff, Gemma

[0:23:52] Voice 9: Green, and we met co-op

[0:23:53] Voice 9: student Carly Aston.

[0:23:54] Voice 9: That was really fun.

[0:23:55] Voice 9: fun, tons of bushwhacking, and again, really careful GPS

[0:24:00] Trustee Elliott: tracking and surveying and note-taking,

[0:24:02] Trustee Elliott: which I really appreciate. It was such a long day that we only got three of those

[0:24:08] Trustee Elliott: covenants done, and we had to leave the fourth one for another

[0:24:12] Voice 9: day. May 22nd, we had

[0:24:15] Voice 9: the annual

[0:24:16] Voice 9: RDN and Local Trust Committee protocol meeting, which Trustee Elliott would have mentioned,

[0:24:20] Voice 9: and um we talked about finalizing the master plan for parks

[0:24:25] Trustee Elliott: and trails for this area which

[0:24:26] Trustee Elliott: we just spoke there and i think i remember from that meeting um director craig mentioned

[0:24:35] Voice 9: and i have it in the writing here a possible pilot project for the path to the ferry

[0:24:41] Voice 9: i'm pretty sure that well maybe september to december so i

[0:24:46] Voice 9: sent her a query about that

[0:24:52] Voice 9: One of the things that came up at our Islands Trust Conservancy board meeting on May 27th

[0:24:57] Voice 9: is that we now have 31 First Nations to work with. It's going to be a challenge, but we will do it.

[0:25:04] Voice 9: And we also approved a provincial request to upgrade the groundwater observation well

[0:25:09] Voice 9: number 197 in Solene, which is a major reserve. Let's see. What did you say in that last bit?

[0:25:20] Voice 9: a provincial request to upgrade the groundwater observation well

[0:25:24] Trustee Elliott: which one the one in uh so we

[0:25:27] Voice 9: need to spay nature user elder cedar okay yeah so we are almost at the very end of our draft

[0:25:37] Voice 9: well we are at the very end i think of our draft policy statement which is the overarching bylaw

[0:25:42] Voice 9: that guides council and local trust committees in their land use decisions um really close to first

[0:25:48] Voice 9: reading we've done such we've done so many I think 15 meetings only 15 and anyway we've had

[0:25:55] Voice 9: such great help from senior planner Jason Yeomans he's been so helpful we've had so the community

[0:26:05] Voice 9: engagement on this will run simultaneously with referral to indigenous government bodies and

[0:26:10] Voice 9: other agencies I

[0:26:14] Trustee Elliott: think I'd like to mention here that on June the 4th the executive committee of

[0:26:18] Trustee Elliott: trust council um awarded two thousand dollars to gabriel arts council for their breaking bannock

[0:26:24] Voice 9: program yay so that will be big and that is to support a celebration of in name of history and

[0:26:32] Voice 9: culture places

[0:26:33] Trustee Elliott: plants and petroglyphs on gabriel island it's very good just interrupt there was

[0:26:38] Trustee Elliott: one of six projects yeah five that were awarded there's a maximum of five about one dollar so

[0:26:44] Trustee Elliott: So it wasn't just, not just

[0:26:46] Voice 9: to Gabriel, but this would be for

[0:26:47] Trustee Elliott: the heritage and arts culture

[0:26:49] Trustee Elliott: grant award.

[0:26:51] Trustee Elliott: Sorry.

[0:26:53] Voice 9: So yesterday I attended the probably final meeting of the regional district master parks and rec plan.

[0:27:01] Voice 9: It's a great committee.

[0:27:03] Voice 9: I just have loved working with them.

[0:27:05] Voice 9: And, but for a couple of edits in

[0:27:08] Trustee Elliott: the trail section, we will have that master

[0:27:13] Voice 9: plan ready for the public.

[0:27:15] Voice 9: to look at very soon i think that i'll just leave it there because as i mentioned this

[0:27:22] Voice 9: entire report is already with lisa wilcox for the minutes it's

[0:27:27] Voice 12: my alarm i mean

[0:27:28] Voice 9: sorry he's an alarm

[0:27:29] Voice 9: oh my goodness yeah

[0:27:31] Voice 12: sorry yes

[0:27:34] Voice 9: obviously i have

[0:27:36] Voice 9: heartfelt remembrance

[0:27:37] Trustee Elliott: of lisa wilcox yeah that's

[0:27:40] Trustee Elliott: All right,

[0:27:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): I call everybody trustee, staff, or not.

[0:27:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I'm going to give all the names.

[0:27:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): So my report, I should say, the CAO for BC Ferries is going to be on Salt Spring tomorrow.

[0:27:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we should touch base on trying to message, want to be respectful of their process moving

[0:28:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): forward.

[0:28:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): But I think there's always room for improvement and how we can communicate better as community

[0:28:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): to communities with the BC Ferries.

[0:28:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): From my point of view, I wanted to focus, you both mentioned,

[0:28:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): by the way, these two are the future archivists for the Islands Trust, I think.

[0:28:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): You both are so good at good detailed information that you capture.

[0:28:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): I wanted to touch on the trust policy statement

[0:28:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): because a draft will be probably out in

[0:28:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): an agenda package probably later this week.

[0:28:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i don't know people like to have attention to these things what i really encourage is that

[0:28:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): you read it read it yourself because there will be lots of opinions flying i think it's a very

[0:28:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): good document and i really encourage you to read it and

[0:28:54] Voice 2: how will we find it

[0:28:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh well there there

[0:28:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): will be a version coming out for a committee of the whole meeting um for july 9th um so that will

[0:29:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): will have a draft um that's still at the committee level we're working toward first reading once

[0:29:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's a first reading it will be far more publicly available but people will have it out

[0:29:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): of that agenda package and they'll be spreading it around immediately so um i'm just encouraging

[0:29:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): you can it there'll be lots of time there's no rush uh first reading only says it's being

[0:29:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): introduced. This is not, you know, cast in stone. It's an introduction, an introduction of a document

[0:29:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we are going to be coming out for public input. And we want your public input. That's the

[0:29:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): purpose of the process. So I'm just encouraging you to read it, form your own opinions, form your

[0:29:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): own comments and questions for us. That would be greatly appreciated because it is a chance to

[0:29:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): update a very old document. And as Trustee Elliot mentioned, you know, in the

[0:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): future we will get better this is waiting 30 years to come back to look at a fundamental document we

[0:30:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think we all admit was not the right thing and moving forward we know it'll be a evolving process

[0:30:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): as we work better with the community better with first nations um as uh to to make sure this

[0:30:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): documents regularly visited not once every 30 years and

[0:30:25] Trustee Elliott: you know i have to say that um you know

[0:30:28] Trustee Elliott: So Minister Kalon has encouraged us to find consensus.

[0:30:31] Trustee Elliott: I don't think he meant just with First Nations either.

[0:30:34] Trustee Elliott: I think he meant amongst ourselves.

[0:30:36] Trustee Elliott: Work towards consensus.

[0:30:38] Trustee Elliott: And I am so pleased that every one of us working on that trust policy statement,

[0:30:44] Trustee Elliott: coming with quite different views, have really come together with a common voice.

[0:30:49] Trustee Elliott: And I just so appreciate that.

[0:30:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, absolutely.

[0:30:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that's, I think, the most important thing you guys touched on today.

[0:30:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): right so thank you very much uh did you want me to highlight the director's report do we touch on

[0:31:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): what she provided or um so uh director craig the regional district of nanaimo provided a report

[0:31:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i won't read it all uh but she touched on um parks and recreation master plan what does she

[0:31:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's the

[0:31:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): one that I've been working on.

[0:31:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): So you've touched on that.

[0:31:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, that's good.

[0:31:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): The groundwater analysis pre-summer 2025 board meeting this week received the pre-summer groundwater analysis showing the status of aquifers compared to historic patterns.

[0:31:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): And she provides a link to that report.

[0:31:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): So of the six monitoring wells on Gabriela and aquifer 709, five were generally stable and one had a moderate decline.

[0:31:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): so the wells historically show variable trends from moderate decline to stable regionally one

[0:31:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): third of aquifers uh being monitored were reported below average levels um the parks biodiversity

[0:32:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): plan uh the after review of the boards recently approved our parks biodiversity plan i'm just

[0:32:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): reading from Vanessa's report here, aims to provide a proactive approach to maintaining,

[0:32:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): enhancing, and restoring biodiversity in the regional district of Nanaimo's parks.

[0:32:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): This framework does provide some baseline data. However, there are many opportunities to improve

[0:32:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): the database over time, especially with volunteers submitting records. The plan has a significant

[0:32:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): focus on the identification and management of invasive plant species in our parks by removing

[0:32:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): invasive plant species native plants and associated ecosystems will be more resilient

[0:32:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): she provides a link to that report as well and then there's the coats marsh uh she says the

[0:32:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): regional district of Nanaimo is restoring coats marsh to a more natural beaver managed ecosystem

[0:33:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): the marsh has been heavily modified over many decades by draining and placement of structures

[0:33:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): structures in the marsh and to reflooding the marsh beyond behind a concrete weir the natural

[0:33:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): rock barrier was blasted to install the weir the province has recently declared that the weir is

[0:33:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): considered a regulated dam which has significant implications for the main its maintenance

[0:33:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): particularly as the weir is in need of repair the recommendation initially were to reinforce

[0:33:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): forest reconstruct the weir and to remove the beaver dam which was retaining a depth of water

[0:33:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): more than one meter height high over the weir height and was a threat to the weir. Instead of

[0:33:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): removing the beaver dam the board decided to remove the weir and restore it to a more natural state

[0:33:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): through placement of boulders and plantings and retaining the beaver dam.

[0:33:59] Voice 9: So Chair Patrick you

[0:34:00] Voice 9: would know this that beavers are better yes from

[0:34:03] Trustee Elliott: the blackburn nature conservancy where the beavers

[0:34:06] Trustee Elliott: have restored an incredible system there

[0:34:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): yes we need more beavers busy as a beaver is a good

[0:34:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): statement uh noise bylaw a few years ago uh she made a motion to the gabriel to review the gabriel

[0:34:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): noise bylaw specifically with respect to construction noise grant bylaw uh allows

[0:34:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): construction noise between 8 and 8 p.m. seven days a week. There have been a few projects over

[0:34:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): the years that include rock breaking and significant noise that neighbors find challenging.

[0:34:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): Due to staff capacity, the review hasn't occurred yet, but it's scheduled to happen in 2025.

[0:34:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): And there will be consultation as part of that. Our changing coast, the Regional District of

[0:34:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): Nanaimo is implementing a multi-year project on changing coasts, which includes coastal floodplain mapping, a coastal risk assessment, and an erosion hazard assessment.

[0:35:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): And most recently, a survey of residents to identify their key concerns and questions about the coastal changes, as well as information about how they would like to be engaged.

[0:35:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): And there's information on what you heard report available on their website.

[0:35:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): site. And then development cost charges. These are fees the local government collects from land

[0:35:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): developers to help pay the costs for specific types of capital infrastructure. She says, as you

[0:35:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): know, the Regional District of Nanaimo has implemented development cost charges on new development in

[0:35:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): some electoral areas, including Area B, which will go to a specific park amenities required to respond

[0:35:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): to population growth.

[0:35:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): We are in the process of developing a 50% cost reduction bylaw for affordable rental

[0:35:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing development that are managed by non-profit society.

[0:35:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): Also in the process of considering these development cost charges for solid waste management.

[0:36:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): These charges help ensure that developers pay their fair share of costs required to

[0:36:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): developed the infrastructure and the regional district in Nanaimo has identified eligible

[0:36:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): solid waste and recycling projects that need to be constructed for the next 26 years to support

[0:36:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): the solid waste generated by new development in the residential multi-family industrial commercial

[0:36:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): and institutional section sectors I can speak the funds required for these capital projects

[0:36:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): are significant and require taxation to build reserves to limit borrowing by having these

[0:36:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): DCC's the taxation required of current residents is reduced and there's more of

[0:36:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): that on their website too and that was Vanessa's report all right all these

[0:36:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): reports were there any we don't have any First Nations reports on the agenda

[0:36:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): covered it's happening all right and I don't stress

[0:37:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trust Conservancy?

[0:37:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've reported on that.

[0:37:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that

[0:37:10] Trustee Elliott: where Lisa comes in?

[0:37:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Was she coming to? Oh, that's right.

[0:37:14] Trustee Elliott: Is Lisa online?

[0:37:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): She's not online.

[0:37:18] Trustee Elliott: There's actually a 13...

[0:37:20] Trustee Elliott: Oh, sorry.

[0:37:21] Trustee Elliott: At the end of the meeting,

[0:37:23] Trustee Elliott: I thought

[0:37:26] Trustee Elliott: there was something about Trust Conservancy's

[0:37:28] Trustee Elliott: 35th anniversary.

[0:37:31] Trustee Elliott: 15.3?

[0:37:34] Trustee Elliott: Sorry, Chair.

[0:37:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): 13.3

[0:37:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can touch up and see

[0:37:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): if she joins

[0:37:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can accommodate them

[0:37:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): I believe that's the time

[0:37:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): she will

[0:37:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): join us later

[0:37:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's good

[0:37:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): so with that

[0:37:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's your turn finally to address

[0:37:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): us we want to hear your

[0:37:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): questions and comments at this time

[0:38:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): later in the agenda we'll be discussing

[0:38:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): various topics and making decisions

[0:38:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): your questions and comments are valued

[0:38:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): and they help us make good decisions.

[0:38:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): If you're an applicant,

[0:38:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have two applications before us today.

[0:38:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): The applicants will have an opportunity

[0:38:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): to speak to us at that time on the agenda.

[0:38:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): But if you're here to comment on an application,

[0:38:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is your time to comment.

[0:38:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): When addressing the local trust committee,

[0:38:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): we really request that you direct your comments

[0:38:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the three of us,

[0:38:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): not to staff or the audience.

[0:38:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Speak about issues,

[0:38:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): never individuals,

[0:38:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): individuals, clear, concise, and respectful. We always have a full agenda lots of time,

[0:38:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I want to make time for you. I'm not going to run a clock, but if you're repeating yourself,

[0:38:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): I might ask you to wrap up on your comment. The recording device is here. If you've got a loud

[0:38:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): voice, you can definitely stay where you are. If you're quiet, I just ask that perhaps you come

[0:38:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): sit closer to the microphone so that we can hear you. And if you could just state your name before

[0:39:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): you start that helps for the record so who would like to talk to us today your hand was up first

[0:39:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): robin taylor is that loud enough i think so

[0:39:10] Voice 14: thank you i'm from my island uh there are a couple of

[0:39:15] Voice 14: things with vanessa craig's report um with regard to groundwater what has groundwater been assessed

[0:39:22] Voice 14: on much island at all there there have been some groundwater and things with some of the

[0:39:27] Voice 14: the public access wells there, so.

[0:39:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Good question.

[0:39:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think the regional district in Nanaimo

[0:39:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): has their water program,

[0:39:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I don't think there's a monitoring well, probably.

[0:39:40] Voice 9: You know what, Robin, I don't think there's,

[0:39:41] Voice 9: I don't think there are any provincial observation wells

[0:39:44] Voice 9: or any regional district observation wells, I'm not sure.

[0:39:49] Voice 9: I'm almost certain there aren't.

[0:39:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): But that's, we'll direct that question

[0:39:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): to our project hydrogeologist,

[0:39:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): because we are looking at various islands I don't know where associated islands fit in on our overall

[0:40:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): program but it's a good question okay

[0:40:02] Voice 14: thank you um the next one is with regard to biodiversity and

[0:40:07] Voice 14: uh Vanessa's mention about using multiple sources I'm just wondering if uh public

[0:40:14] Voice 14: access sources like eBird are being used at the present time by

[0:40:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): which body regional district and

[0:40:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i don't know we can't speak for regional district yeah

[0:40:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah i i would look to their they

[0:40:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): the reports are available on their website and i know vanessa is very available well the conservancy

[0:40:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): has

[0:40:36] Trustee Elliott: a lot of data on is that what you're looking for on ecological i'm wondering if they're using

[0:40:42] Trustee Elliott: well

[0:40:42] Voice 14: i just just making sure that they are um taking advantage of those uh databases as well

[0:40:50] Voice 14: Well, I mean, I contribute to eBird regularly, so that's one of the questions I have.

[0:40:55] Voice 14: That's a good source for some diversity information, at least with birds.

[0:41:01] Voice 14: And then also things like iNaturalist.

[0:41:04] Trustee Elliott: They probably do, Robin, because when we do our monitoring with the Islands Trust Conservancy staff,

[0:41:09] Trustee Elliott: they definitely use iNaturalist, iBiflora, probably use eBird as well.

[0:41:16] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. I mean, anything that's available and reliable to the public, certainly it's the experts in the field would know about that.

[0:41:25] Voice 14: Yes. OK. Next question is, when will there be some information on the agenda with regard to the land use bylaw for Mudge Island?

[0:41:39] Voice 14: We did

[0:41:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): add that to the agenda under item 12, under new business.

[0:41:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it'll be later, it'll be after lunch.

[0:41:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, okay.

[0:41:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[0:41:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Who else would like to address this thing?

[0:41:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes.

[0:41:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, I

[0:41:55] Voice 9: just want to address two items today.

[0:41:58] Voice 9: Center Stage application of

[0:42:01] Trustee Elliott: a zoning for several small,

[0:42:02] Trustee Elliott: whole groups together with subdividing the land.

[0:42:07] Trustee Elliott: First of all, Center Stage holdings application to cut 2,000 trees,

[0:42:12] Trustee Elliott: 1,500 Douglas fir, a threatened species on the Gulf Islands,

[0:42:16] Trustee Elliott: It is really unfortunate that we cannot refuse this application.

[0:42:22] Trustee Elliott: Tree cover plays an essential role.

[0:42:25] Trustee Elliott: Unfragmented canopies resupply the groundwater,

[0:42:28] Trustee Elliott: prevent soil erosion, and maintain a healthy ground cover.

[0:42:32] Trustee Elliott: Having 2,000 trees could reduce the water supply

[0:42:36] Trustee Elliott: to many of the properties in that area,

[0:42:39] Trustee Elliott: and the new lots being created by contamination of existing wells

[0:42:43] Trustee Elliott: by a preceptor joining the groundwater is another real concern and we really

[0:42:48] Trustee Elliott: haven't looked into this in the brief. The tree report,

[0:42:54] Voice 9: which is right here, I've highlighted it.

[0:43:02] Trustee Elliott: Okay it says that it states that this is the most important tree area and

[0:43:07] Trustee Elliott: constitutes some of the oldest growth, 80 years, and it exhibits an overall health

[0:43:13] Trustee Elliott: and structuring so my question is could we not put a restrictive covenant or dpa on this d strand

[0:43:20] Trustee Elliott: stand sorry to protect the trees and we supply the groundwater to this area at the same time this

[0:43:27] Trustee Elliott: would benefit the bluff because the bluff is although they say it's it's pretty stable very

[0:43:33] Trustee Elliott: very stable. Taking the trees away, all these roads are being slowed. It's just going to

[0:43:43] Trustee Elliott: happen in time. We don't know how long it will take, weathering occurs. There's so many

[0:43:47] Trustee Elliott: situations that are saying to us, this is not a good idea. So I was also wondering if

[0:43:56] Trustee Elliott: the trust could do this as a condition in the approval process. So just take this section,

[0:44:01] Voice 9: which I'm showing you and say okay well we're going to protect this this is a covenant and then

[0:44:09] Voice 9: we

[0:44:10] Trustee Elliott: have something at least I mean I know this has been in the process for a long time

[0:44:15] Trustee Elliott: but you know really we have just started to be aware of how severe our groundwater shortages are

[0:44:24] Trustee Elliott: and how the forests are supplying resupplying our groundwater that's all we have on Gabriel

[0:44:29] Trustee Elliott: We also have a very thin layer of soil, which is being impacted by the contamination in the sewage.

[0:44:36] Trustee Elliott: So those are both big concerns, which may be preserving an area.

[0:44:41] Trustee Elliott: And the other thing is they're all Douglas fir.

[0:44:44] Trustee Elliott: You know, Douglas fir are like trees on the island that we should be protecting, not taking down.

[0:44:50] Trustee Elliott: 1,500 of them.

[0:44:52] Trustee Elliott: Anyway, so that was my question.

[0:44:55] Trustee Elliott: I have another issue, too, that I just want to bring up now.

[0:44:59] Trustee Elliott: do you want

[0:45:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): to answer the question first or i don't think we're going to answer because we're

[0:45:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to be having a discussion later on that item and i think we'll be okay but i'll look at

[0:45:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): regional planning manager jenny made a copy for you okay so the other question is oh sorry wait

[0:45:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): a minute i just wanted to refer to regional planning manager

[0:45:20] Trustee Elliott: um that could be a question

[0:45:22] Trustee Elliott: that planners would like to share

[0:45:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): some more information on when it comes right yeah so

[0:45:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, yeah, we'll be talking about that later.

[0:45:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): So thank you.

[0:45:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you for considering.

[0:45:33] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so the next thing is the small homes.

[0:45:36] Trustee Elliott: Several small homes grouped together without subdividing the land.

[0:45:39] Trustee Elliott: It is important to understand that both water and septic are per capita

[0:45:43] Trustee Elliott: and not to the size of the residence.

[0:45:47] Trustee Elliott: We still have toilets, showers, washing clothes, dishes, etc., etc.

[0:45:52] Trustee Elliott: Any housing complex or cluster must have an adequate supply of water

[0:45:56] Trustee Elliott: that will not impact those wells and the groundwater users around them

[0:46:00] Trustee Elliott: by over-demand and contamination of this resource.

[0:46:04] Trustee Elliott: And here we come back to contamination.

[0:46:07] Trustee Elliott: To increase density anywhere on the island,

[0:46:12] Trustee Elliott: we first need to solve our water and our septic, sewage problems.

[0:46:17] Trustee Elliott: Rezoning must not increase the number of residents

[0:46:20] Trustee Elliott: that are currently allowed on that parcel of land.

[0:46:24] Trustee Elliott: If we are going to make special provisions for housing, can you assure us that these provisions will not further impact the groundwater resupply, which is super important, and the island ecosystem?

[0:46:38] Trustee Elliott: So that was my second.

[0:46:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think all that's well directed to the OCP project that is going on.

[0:46:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): And thank you for your questions.

[0:46:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Who's next?

[0:46:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): Go ahead.

[0:46:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry

[0:46:49] Trustee Elliott: could you send that into the um the project website i think it's gabriela vision 2050 or just

[0:46:58] Trustee Elliott: gabriela ocp 2050 can we get confirmation on the email address uh to send correspondence related

[0:47:05] Trustee Elliott: to this 2050

[0:47:06] Trustee Elliott: yeah so just 2050 ocp we'll find out um another email in the meantime north info

[0:47:16] Trustee Elliott: at islandstrust.bc.ca and we can always click on it and we can share that project with you as well.

[0:47:31] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:47:32] Trustee Elliott: Hi, my name is Sybil Frey. I'm speaking as an individual resident of Gabriola,

[0:47:37] Trustee Elliott: living on the unceded territory of this new name of the nation.

[0:47:41] Trustee Elliott: The recommendation from the Islands Trust staff regarding Central's Centre Stage Holdings Development Permit application fails to acknowledge previous Gabriel and Local Trust discussions about this application and the strong and unequivocal opposition to it by this new name of First Nation in February and May 2024.

[0:48:06] Trustee Elliott: First Nations in the Trust area were not consulted with establishing the Highlands Trust over

[0:48:14] Trustee Elliott: 50 years ago, or in the development or in most past provisions of official community

[0:48:21] Trustee Elliott: plans such as ours.

[0:48:23] Trustee Elliott: I believe that related nation-to-nation agreements, legislation and protocols should overlay anything

[0:48:33] Trustee Elliott: in our OCP and land use bylaws.

[0:48:37] Trustee Elliott: These include the Sarlatan Treaty of 1834,

[0:48:41] Trustee Elliott: the Reconciliation Implementation Framework Agreement

[0:48:45] Trustee Elliott: that SFN signed with the province of British Columbia,

[0:48:48] Trustee Elliott: the BC Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act,

[0:48:53] Trustee Elliott: the Protocol Agreement between SFN and the Islands Trust,

[0:48:57] Trustee Elliott: and the Islands Trust Declaration

[0:49:00] Trustee Elliott: regarding reconciliation.

[0:49:02] Trustee Elliott: Without the full, prior, and informed consent

[0:49:06] Trustee Elliott: end of sfn i urge the gabriel the local trust committee to turn down center stage holdings

[0:49:14] Trustee Elliott: from an improvement application thank you thank you anyone

[0:49:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): else that wishes to address us go ahead

[0:49:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): please i'm

[0:49:22] Trustee Elliott: nancy heatherington pierce i have um three brief comments one to do with the ocp review

[0:49:31] Trustee Elliott: and two for the uh regarding the rezoning of the wild rose nursery uh property on tin can alley

[0:49:38] Trustee Elliott: So, first, for the OCP review, that's an agenda item in today's agenda.

[0:49:48] Trustee Elliott: My concern is the use of the word attainable housing.

[0:49:52] Trustee Elliott: So, on page 170, there's one example, and on page 171, there's two examples, where in

[0:50:00] Trustee Elliott: the explanations and comments, the phrase is affordable and attainable housing.

[0:50:08] Trustee Elliott: I'm concerned about using the word attainable because I don't know of a definition of it.

[0:50:13] Trustee Elliott: The OCP has a definition of affordable housing and actually in the focus group for housing

[0:50:20] Trustee Elliott: last February to do with the OCP review I raised this issue of why use this word attainable,

[0:50:27] Trustee Elliott: what is it, what does it mean and so I want to raise that again.

[0:50:31] Trustee Elliott: And those of you who know me know that I'm fussy about language.

[0:50:36] Trustee Elliott: And so I'd rather raise issues sooner rather than later about the language that's being used as we go forward on this really important document.

[0:50:45] Trustee Elliott: So I just want to raise that for your consideration.

[0:50:52] Trustee Elliott: Do you want a response?

[0:50:54] Trustee Elliott: Because I don't know if you want to make one or not.

[0:50:57] Trustee Elliott: well it's in the minutes from um in this agenda as we discuss the major project um

[0:51:04] Trustee Elliott: just looking for the date on february 27th with the ltc and so the minutes reflect

[0:51:11] Trustee Elliott: uh comments were made about aligning definitions with provincial and federal definitions

[0:51:17] Trustee Elliott: example attainable versus affordable housing to assist with grant applications so perhaps

[0:51:23] Trustee Elliott: Perhaps the planner could clarify for us when we get to that point, why attainable is a more preferred definition.

[0:51:32] Trustee Elliott: So I would like to comment on that, too, because I made the same complaint at a recent meeting, one of our OCP project meetings.

[0:51:41] Trustee Elliott: Attainable means nothing. It just means

[0:51:43] Voice 9: you can attain it.

[0:51:44] Voice 9: You know, you have a bunch of money and you can attain it. It means nothing to me.

[0:51:48] Voice 9: affordable means something it means that you can afford to buy something but again even affordable

[0:51:55] Trustee Elliott: well there may be definitions we won't get into it but attainable to me means absolutely

[0:52:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can we'll double back because we're going to be having a conversation on the ocp project a

[0:52:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): little bit so thank you nancy and

[0:52:08] Trustee Elliott: so my second um two quick comments are about the rezoning of wild

[0:52:12] Trustee Elliott: Rose and I have permission from the applicant to raise these questions. I tried to raise them

[0:52:19] Trustee Elliott: yesterday with Stephen Bow who I found was away and then with Sonia I wrote to her because her

[0:52:25] Trustee Elliott: name was on the staff report as the acting interim regional planning manager. So anyway Brene this is

[0:52:32] Trustee Elliott: new to you because I wrote to Sonia but I didn't hear back from her so I'm just going to read out

[0:52:37] Trustee Elliott: what I wrote. So my first one is on page 158 in the agenda package there's a

[0:52:47] Trustee Elliott: statement that the relevant OCP policy is 2.0 K which refers to support for

[0:52:55] Trustee Elliott: senior special needs and multi-dwelling portable housing and I'm wondering what

[0:53:00] Trustee Elliott: the reasons are for choosing that policy because it's focusing on multi-dwelling

[0:53:06] Trustee Elliott: affordable housing and it seems to me that policy number 3.1 objective 3 which

[0:53:13] Trustee Elliott: I'll read out here would be more relevant and that policy is for

[0:53:19] Trustee Elliott: commercial the commercially zoned properties to encourage a mix of

[0:53:25] Trustee Elliott: commercial and other uses in the village center so I'm just raising that point

[0:53:32] Trustee Elliott: that I think there could be a more appropriate policy

[0:53:35] Trustee Elliott: to cite for the relevance of this application.

[0:53:40] Trustee Elliott: My second point is on page 155,

[0:53:45] Trustee Elliott: which is the beginning of the staff report,

[0:53:47] Trustee Elliott: we request to proceed with drafting a housing agreement

[0:53:50] Trustee Elliott: for the one proposed dwelling to be out of portable housing.

[0:53:56] Trustee Elliott: I'd like to suggest, and I'm just gonna read this

[0:53:58] Trustee Elliott: because I've tried to write it clearly,

[0:54:01] Trustee Elliott: so I probably can't speak more clearly than this.

[0:54:03] Trustee Elliott: I suggest postponing this action

[0:54:06] Trustee Elliott: until the revised OCP is presented

[0:54:08] Trustee Elliott: at the November 20th LTC meeting for first reading,

[0:54:13] Trustee Elliott: which according to the phase two charter most recent

[0:54:16] Trustee Elliott: is when the plan is to present first reading.

[0:54:19] Trustee Elliott: At that point, the new language regarding affordable housing

[0:54:24] Trustee Elliott: or housing on commercial properties, et cetera, be public.

[0:54:27] Trustee Elliott: A housing agreement could then be written

[0:54:29] Trustee Elliott: to be consistent with that new language instead of writing one now and likely having to rewrite

[0:54:37] Trustee Elliott: it in November. For example, the new OCP might require dwellings on new commercially built

[0:54:44] Trustee Elliott: properties instead of currently just encouraging dwellings. So I'd like to suggest you consider

[0:54:53] Trustee Elliott: consider postponing the timing of writing the housing agreement.

[0:54:59] Trustee Elliott: The second part of that is, in my conversation with Kent, of course,

[0:55:03] Trustee Elliott: it's important to consider how would postponing the creation of a housing

[0:55:07] Trustee Elliott: agreement for a few months affect the progress of the rezoning application.

[0:55:13] Trustee Elliott: And so that's obviously a very important point.

[0:55:16] Trustee Elliott: So I want to agree with Kent that that's important to raise freedom of thinking.

[0:55:21] Trustee Elliott: so thank you for listening thank you anyone

[0:55:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): else that wants to address this today i'm going to see

[0:55:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): first first

[0:55:28] Trustee Elliott: speakers first let's just pause for a second because i want to take a make a note so

[0:55:33] Trustee Elliott: that we can um i have to add questions to staff when we get to that so i just don't want to move

[0:55:39] Trustee Elliott: on before um draft as we can see that was it okay thanks chair yes planners have been

[0:55:49] Trustee Elliott: will also be responding to some questions on this rezoning application when it comes up with gender

[0:55:55] Trustee Elliott: so try to share this with her thank you so much

[0:55:58] Trustee Elliott: she has this i'm going to send it to her

[0:56:01] Trustee Elliott: at the end of this morning so whether she looks like it but just to say it's it's it's there

[0:56:08] Voice 14: before

[0:56:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): i come to second speakers i want to see is there anyone else that wants to address us today

[0:56:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right um because

[0:56:18] Trustee Elliott: the first conversation and last conversation on gabriel announced

[0:56:21] Trustee Elliott: its groundwater and water i just wanted to add two more things um the rdn report by vanessa craig

[0:56:27] Trustee Elliott: did not mention that the six wells are not in highly populated areas like they are in either

[0:56:34] Trustee Elliott: discharge areas or areas close to forests and very very low demand areas so we don't have

[0:56:41] Voice 9: silly process that we need to have more information

[0:56:45] Trustee Elliott: and records coming from the

[0:56:47] Trustee Elliott: more highly populated areas to really get a clear picture. Okay the second

[0:56:52] Trustee Elliott: thing with BC Ferries, I had a letter from one of the water haulers. We get

[0:56:56] Trustee Elliott: millions of water, liters of water hauled to Gabriel right now, to cisterns and

[0:57:01] Trustee Elliott: dried up wells. And they, I had a letter and I can send it on to you today, from, I'm

[0:57:08] Trustee Elliott: water hauling and they're saying that they're having a really really tough time delivering

[0:57:13] Trustee Elliott: water because of the choke point of the ferry so this thing's in a piece of ferry so you can pass

[0:57:19] Trustee Elliott: it on to them it's really important because um they are now waiting two and three hours

[0:57:27] Trustee Elliott: especially in the summer to try and get over that and that ties up one of their trucks and

[0:57:33] Trustee Elliott: And they actually said during the busy times they throw more than three trucks a day.

[0:57:37] Trustee Elliott: I can think it was 15,000 meters, but I can give you that information more exact if I go back to my records.

[0:57:44] Trustee Elliott: So if we're having that amount of water from one water hauler, there are other water haulers.

[0:57:48] Trustee Elliott: Some rain falls more.

[0:57:50] Trustee Elliott: So we have a problem with the ferry right now.

[0:57:53] Trustee Elliott: And this is what Island Water Hauling is saying.

[0:57:56] Trustee Elliott: We may not be able to bring water to the island.

[0:57:59] Trustee Elliott: It's getting too complicated.

[0:58:00] Trustee Elliott: It's getting too expensive.

[0:58:01] Trustee Elliott: We can't charge for the climate. We have to employ a driver in the truck, take it out of circulation.

[0:58:08] Trustee Elliott: So I think this needs to be looked at as well.

[0:58:12] Trustee Elliott: And maybe somebody from the trust can put in the RBC fairways to allow them to assure loading.

[0:58:21] Voice 13: Thank

[0:58:22] Trustee Elliott: you very much.

[0:58:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Now you've got lots of people.

[0:58:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): So back row first, Nancy.

[0:58:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): in

[0:58:28] Voice 4: regards to the discussion

[0:58:32] Voice 4: about water and sewer

[0:58:34] Voice 4: and all of those kinds of issues

[0:58:35] Voice 4: my name is Bert Fidler

[0:58:37] Voice 4: sorry I didn't introduce myself

[0:58:41] Voice 4: it bothers me that

[0:58:45] Voice 4: whenever these topics come up

[0:58:50] Voice 4: the conversation

[0:58:52] Voice 4: seems to revolve around

[0:58:53] Voice 4: either groundwater or

[0:58:56] Voice 4: buying water

[0:58:58] Voice 4: from somewhere else and hauling water as we've just heard. What seems to not be

[0:59:05] Voice 4: discussed or recognized is that we live in a place that gets, well we used to say

[0:59:13] Voice 4: about 36 inches a year of rainfall. Last year we recorded on our property, as we

[0:59:19] Voice 4: do this on a regular basis, Trustees Elliott and Trustee Yates are aware of the fact

[0:59:27] Voice 4: it because i've shared this with them we recorded 68 inches of rainfall in last year's calendar year

[0:59:33] Voice 4: so what we have noticed is that there is some in increase in rainfall it isn't always happening

[0:59:42] Voice 4: at the traditional times of the past it comes down in great volumes um quite a few of us on

[0:59:50] Voice 4: the island have metal roofs which are quite well suited for rainwater collection and that's what

[0:59:56] Voice 4: what we do on our property.

[0:59:58] Voice 4: And we're recruiting.

[1:00:00] Voice 4: We're collecting maybe a fraction of what we could

[1:00:02] Voice 4: from the buildings on our property.

[1:00:04] Voice 4: We get, we collect about 10,000 gallons a year,

[1:00:07] Voice 4: use it mostly for gardening

[1:00:09] Voice 4: and for that use of production of food.

[1:00:13] Voice 4: But my argument is that we,

[1:00:17] Voice 4: all of these conversations about groundwater,

[1:00:20] Voice 4: which is a concern,

[1:00:22] Voice 4: I'm not trying to take away from that concern,

[1:00:25] Voice 4: but I think we also need to be encouraging people,

[1:00:28] Voice 4: especially the build-out that might be happening in the future.

[1:00:33] Voice 4: We should be encouraging people to do rainwater collection within the soldiers.

[1:00:40] Voice 4: I personally don't think that there's any reason to buy water on the side.

[1:00:45] Voice 4: The framing of the water situation as a shortage is, I think, a misuse of misunderstanding.

[1:00:53] Voice 4: What it really is, is water management.

[1:00:55] Voice 4: And, you know, we need in the water management on this island to be mindful of and considering

[1:01:03] Voice 4: rainwater collection.

[1:01:04] Voice 4: It is a valuable source, and it certainly works.

[1:01:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:01:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Nancy?

[1:01:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm

[1:01:12] Voice 9: just wondering if the speaker could introduce themselves.

[1:01:15] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm Jen.

[1:01:16] Voice 9: And Alex Hudson-Dagan.

[1:01:21] Trustee Elliott: I could respond briefly to Bert Fiddler.

[1:01:24] Trustee Elliott: I think you were at the one of the meetings where I mentioned the letter that I wrote in 1988

[1:01:31] Trustee Elliott: when I was a trustee begging the regional district to allow us for all new bills to have

[1:01:41] Trustee Elliott: rainwater catchment and I brought it up I brought it up over the intervening decades

[1:01:47] Trustee Elliott: and I do hope that there will be a statement in our official community plan

[1:01:53] Trustee Elliott: that says we need to do this I couldn't agree more so we're just reflected again

[1:02:01] Trustee Elliott: in the minutes of the conversation that we had on February 27th when we

[1:02:06] Trustee Elliott: considered the input from the housing and environment that comments were made

[1:02:14] Trustee Elliott: made that rainwater harvesting on all new builds have been added, a requirement for

[1:02:21] Trustee Elliott: water catchment systems for all new builds has been added. So that will be coming out

[1:02:25] Trustee Elliott: in the draft policy. 100%. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Can I make one

[1:02:31] Trustee Elliott: final comment on the rainwater collection piece? And that is, it is expensive to put

[1:02:37] Trustee Elliott: in a metal roof. So that is a barrier for some people to do that who want to do rainwater

[1:02:42] Trustee Elliott: collection so if the local trust committee and the rdn would encourage the rdn and the province

[1:02:50] Trustee Elliott: with the help of rdn have some granting for metal roof installation that would be an important part

[1:02:58] Trustee Elliott: of that change in our otp you know supporting that change

[1:03:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): in our otp okay i'll come back to

[1:03:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): you we're not debating this is all we're just we're saving information just to no no so we

[1:03:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't talk back and forth that's one thing you direct your comments to us i'm sorry but that's

[1:03:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): what would

[1:03:15] Voice 9: you like how how can i address this issue then

[1:03:18] Trustee Elliott: do you have more just more information

[1:03:20] Trustee Elliott: that you don't have you speak to your point of view yeah that's that's that's all you're

[1:03:25] Trustee Elliott: representing so there are two thousand there's three thousand wells on capriola are we going

[1:03:30] Trustee Elliott: you know by adding more septic more sewage we're polluting those wells they filter down into the

[1:03:38] Trustee Elliott: groundwater and um so we're looking at that we're not we're polluting other people's wells

[1:03:45] Trustee Elliott: and the rainwater collection is still taken away from the environment so you've got to think a

[1:03:52] Trustee Elliott: little bit beyond you know into the future and see where this is all going because it doesn't

[1:03:59] Trustee Elliott: look good with the amount of septic that's being pumped into our thin layer of soil and then into

[1:04:06] Trustee Elliott: to all the wells when you're drinking other people's shit excuse me but that's what you're

[1:04:10] Trustee Elliott: doing well

[1:04:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): so the ocp project is going to be taking lots of factors in as it goes forward so

[1:04:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you for all your comments today i really appreciate it and uh we're going to move on in

[1:04:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): the agenda reopen my computer okay okay

[1:04:28] Trustee Elliott: yes um lisa our main administrator just shared that

[1:04:33] Trustee Elliott: that Chair Gavreau is available.

[1:04:35] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[1:04:37] Trustee Elliott: I

[1:04:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): think we should, I know we invited,

[1:04:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): so Islands Trust Conservancy is celebrating its 35th year.

[1:04:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm very honored that Chair Gavreau,

[1:04:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): who's also a fellow trustee from Gabriel Island,

[1:04:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): is really making time to come out and talk to all of us

[1:04:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): about the exciting things going on

[1:04:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): and promoting the Trust Conservancy.

[1:04:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): So if you'll indulge us, I'd like to allow her

[1:05:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): to share her enthusiasm and information on trust insurgency.

[1:05:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): So welcome, Lisa.

[1:05:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): The floor is yours.

[1:05:11] Voice 2: Hi, everyone.

[1:05:13] Voice 2: Good morning.

[1:05:14] Voice 2: Good morning.

[1:05:15] Voice 2: I've been enjoying the meeting so far.

[1:05:17] Voice 2: I'm sorry I've had some hard times connecting at this moment,

[1:05:21] Voice 2: but I'm here now.

[1:05:24] Voice 2: That's great.

[1:05:24] Trustee Elliott: So proceed.

[1:05:25] Voice 2: Go right on.

[1:05:27] Voice 2: Yeah, thanks for this opportunity to speak today.

[1:05:29] Voice 2: I'm Lisa Govero.

[1:05:30] Voice 2: I'd like to trustee for Galliano Island, where I'm zooming in from, Galliano Citizen

[1:05:36] Voice 2: Corps Territory of the Penelakut Tribe, and I'm here today as my role as the chair of

[1:05:41] Voice 2: the Islands Trust Conservancy, and I'd like to begin by giving a quick nod to the dedicated

[1:05:46] Voice 2: people that make up the ITC.

[1:05:49] Voice 2: Timothy Tanner is our vice chair and a provincial appointee.

[1:05:53] Voice 2: Dr. Risa Smith is also a provincial appointee and a respected conservation biologist.

[1:06:00] Voice 2: and a co-fellow Galeano resident.

[1:06:04] Voice 2: Trustee Charles Kahn, based on Salt Spring Island,

[1:06:07] Voice 2: serves as our third provincial appointee.

[1:06:11] Voice 2: And then Trustee Susan Yates, elected on Gabriel, as you all know.

[1:06:17] Voice 2: And then Trustee Toby Elliott is our executive committee liaison,

[1:06:22] Voice 2: who all hail from the Seminole territory.

[1:06:25] Voice 2: territory. All right. So we are supported by a small but mighty team. We have an acting

[1:06:32] Voice 2: manager, Wendy Tyrrell. Catherine Mattel is our ecosystem protection specialist.

[1:06:40] Voice 2: Gemma Green is covenant management and outreach. Nuala Murphy is property management.

[1:06:47] Voice 2: Mike Richards is the strategic fund development specialist. And Eric Wheeler is our species at

[1:06:55] Voice 2: risk coordinator. Coraline Strachan is our essential administrative assistant and Michaela

[1:07:03] Voice 2: Yanni is our communications specialist who's been instrumental in helping us celebrate a very,

[1:07:09] Voice 2: very special milestone, our 35th anniversary. We're also supported by Director Claire Freider

[1:07:16] Voice 2: from Trust Area Services. As I mentioned, this year marks our 35th anniversary and we've been,

[1:07:23] Voice 2: and we've launched a campaign to share our story

[1:07:26] Voice 2: and to celebrate the lands that we've protected

[1:07:29] Voice 2: and to deepen our connections across the trust area.

[1:07:33] Voice 2: Since 1990, we've partnered with landholders

[1:07:35] Voice 2: and communities and different conservation groups

[1:07:38] Voice 2: to protect the places that people love.

[1:07:41] Voice 2: Now recognizing that we're literally building

[1:07:44] Voice 2: on top of stewardship of indigenous people

[1:07:46] Voice 2: who have cared for these lands since time immemorial.

[1:07:49] Voice 2: To date, the ITC has protected 115 properties, that's 34 nature reserves, 81 conservation covenants, totaling over 1,385 hectares.

[1:08:04] Voice 2: As part of our 35th anniversary, we've launched a new logo, which I was hoping to get up on my screen today, but I couldn't figure it out, but I'll get there.

[1:08:12] Voice 2: um yeah we also launched a media campaign that has reached over 40 000 people um just promoting

[1:08:20] Voice 2: our milestone we scheduled itc booths at upcoming fair on gabriola salt spring and pender and we'll

[1:08:29] Voice 2: be attending many other community events we also launched the itc uh sorry the trust islands trust

[1:08:36] Voice 2: Trust Conservancy Journal.

[1:08:37] Voice 2: Sorry, that was.

[1:08:39] Voice 2: And it's a new blog that shares stories and reflections across the islands.

[1:08:43] Voice 2: I invite you all to visit and contribute your memories and your stories.

[1:08:48] Voice 2: The link can be found on the ITC website.

[1:08:52] Voice 2: And our latest Spring Heron newsletter just went out with the summer and fall

[1:08:58] Voice 2: editions continuing to spotlight this important milestone.

[1:09:03] Voice 2: milestone. But the biggest news this year, I'm thrilled to share with you today. The

[1:09:10] Voice 2: Atlas Trust Conservancy has received a $1.15 million donation from an anonymous donor.

[1:09:17] Voice 2: And it's the largest private gift in our history. The gift was made through a Shore Peak Gen

[1:09:24] Voice 2: Fund through the Vancouver Foundation. $1 million is going to be going into our Opportunity

[1:09:30] Voice 2: fund, allowing us to move quickly when opportunities for protecting land arise.

[1:09:37] Voice 2: And then $157,300 is going to the property management fund to support trail work, invasive

[1:09:47] Voice 2: species removal, and restoration efforts.

[1:09:51] Voice 2: This gift couldn't come at a better time with rising land prices and growing ecological

[1:09:57] Voice 2: pressures.

[1:09:58] Voice 2: conservation has never been more urgent we are deeply grateful to this donor's vision

[1:10:05] Voice 2: and it'll help us to protect more land support more local projects and strengthen relationships

[1:10:12] Voice 2: with first nations a couple updates from our previous meeting uh itc staff have met with the

[1:10:19] Voice 2: ministry of housing and municipal affairs regarding regarding land transfers to indigenous

[1:10:24] Voice 2: as governed bodies. The ministry has encouraged ITC to develop formal policy

[1:10:30] Voice 2: to be included in our five-year plan. We've also seen a number of bylaw referrals

[1:10:36] Voice 2: with no concerns for the Salt Spring Bylaw number 541. We provided feedback to Pender Island Bylaws

[1:10:45] Voice 2: 235, including updating a species at risk data and raptor inheriting habit monitoring.

[1:10:55] Voice 2: Um, looking ahead, our next board meeting is July 22nd.

[1:10:59] Voice 2: We have, uh, at that meeting,

[1:11:01] Voice 2: we have an executive committee and ITC joint meeting.

[1:11:06] Voice 2: Um, and these meetings are, are important.

[1:11:09] Voice 2: We meet at least three times a year.

[1:11:11] Voice 2: These sessions give ITC a direct line of communication,

[1:11:14] Voice 2: a chance to hear about emerging policy direction,

[1:11:18] Voice 2: reconciliation initiatives, and planning priorities.

[1:11:21] Voice 2: And we had to share updates from the conservancy side.

[1:11:25] Voice 2: It's an opportunity for real-time coordination so that our efforts stay aligned to that wider trust structure and vice versa.

[1:11:37] Voice 2: Looking ahead, we are still in the early stages of exploring a regional conservation fund with an emphasis on co-creation with First Nations.

[1:11:48] Voice 2: This will be a joint initiative of the ITC and the Executive Committee.

[1:11:53] Voice 2: It's very much a conversation at the moment.

[1:11:57] Voice 2: There's been no commitments or exploration on that yet.

[1:12:03] Voice 2: The vision really is to support land protection, restoration, stewardship across the trust area in a way that strengthens co-governance and Indigenous leadership.

[1:12:13] Voice 2: I look forward to the discussion at our next meeting around that.

[1:12:17] Voice 2: As always, our work is rooted in relationships,

[1:12:20] Voice 2: relationships with landholders and with the communities,

[1:12:23] Voice 2: the Indigenous nations, and all of you here today.

[1:12:27] Voice 2: Thank you for inviting me to speak today.

[1:12:30] Voice 2: I hope I was brief enough.

[1:12:32] Voice 2: I hope you have a wonderful meeting.

[1:12:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, thank you, Lisa.

[1:12:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Your enthusiasm for the Trust Conservancy is welcomed,

[1:12:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): welcomed and uh and i'm so glad you're you're offering your time to everyone um to hear and

[1:12:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): it resides on the record for this meeting so the people that come and listen to it

[1:12:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): get to to hear your enthusiastic words so thanks for taking time out of your day

[1:12:58] Voice 2: thank you have a good day everyone thank

[1:13:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): you so

[1:13:03] Voice 9: i would like to just comment on that anonymous

[1:13:05] Voice 9: donation of $1.15 million, because whoever made that donation was also very knowledgeable

[1:13:14] Voice 9: about the Islands Trust area,

[1:13:16] Voice 13: because

[1:13:17] Voice 9: they made the greater portion of it to the Opportunity

[1:13:20] Trustee Elliott: Fund.

[1:13:21] Trustee Elliott: And that's the fund that has collaboration with so many other agencies and conservancies

[1:13:29] Trustee Elliott: to get it's almost like it increases the value of the work exponentially when you can collaborate

[1:13:37] Trustee Elliott: and so I can't thank that donor enough definitely exciting

[1:13:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): news all right then we're going to go

[1:13:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): back to our agenda we're on item 6.1 which is the minutes from February 27th it's

[1:13:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): for our adoption

[1:13:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's on page four of the agenda package trustees are there any additions or corrections to those

[1:13:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): minutes

[1:13:59] Trustee Elliott: trustee it's not a correction it's just a question which i will bring up at some point when

[1:14:06] Trustee Elliott: we're back to the suitable land analysis discussion um in this second

[1:14:12] Voice 9: session comments made about the

[1:14:14] Voice 9: suitable land analysis methodology second bullet says the tool looks at the values of fresh water

[1:14:21] Voice 9: and environment and

[1:14:23] Trustee Elliott: how they align i'm having difficulty hearing with sustainable infrastructure

[1:14:28] Voice 9: to find areas suitable for potential

[1:14:30] Voice 9: I don't

[1:14:32] Voice 9: understand the phrase

[1:14:34] Voice 9: sustainable

[1:14:36] Voice 9: sustainable infrastructure

[1:14:38] Voice 9: and so

[1:14:41] Voice 9: it

[1:14:41] Trustee Elliott: doesn't mean anything to me

[1:14:43] Trustee Elliott: how do we know that the infrastructure will be

[1:14:45] Trustee Elliott: sustainable or already is sustainable

[1:14:47] Trustee Elliott: and what does that mean

[1:14:48] Trustee Elliott: so there's nothing wrong with the minutes but I made a note

[1:14:51] Trustee Elliott: to bring that up later

[1:14:52] Trustee Elliott: alright

[1:14:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other

[1:14:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): comments or corrections on the minutes

[1:14:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): So with none, can we approve the minutes as presented through general consent?

[1:15:04] Voice 13: Excellent.

[1:15:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): The next item we have is our special meeting minutes from March 28th on page 8 of the agenda package.

[1:15:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Are there any additions or corrections to these minutes?

[1:15:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): No.

[1:15:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we can approve these minutes through general consent?

[1:15:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Excellent.

[1:15:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're going to move on.

[1:15:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have our minutes from the April 17th meeting for adoption,

[1:15:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): beginning on page 11 of the agenda package.

[1:15:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): Are there any corrections, Trustee Yates?

[1:15:39] Voice 9: Yes, correction on page 17 of the agenda package, I guess,

[1:15:46] Voice 9: and page 7 of the minutes.

[1:15:48] Voice 9: At the very bottom, email dated March 10th from Kay and Anne Bonbois.

[1:15:53] Voice 9: It's actually K. Palmer Borden and M. Bonbois.

[1:16:00] Voice 9: Can you repeat that?

[1:16:01] Voice 9: Yeah, so the K is actually Catherine Palmer Borden, and then it's Mark Bonbois.

[1:16:11] Trustee Elliott: Do you have spelling for Mark's last name?

[1:16:13] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, it's correct. It's in the minutes.

[1:16:15] Trustee Elliott: Oh, okay, so it's just adding to the last name.

[1:16:17] Trustee Elliott: It's just adding

[1:16:18] Trustee Elliott: Catherine's last name.

[1:16:20] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:16:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any other additions or corrections to these minutes?

[1:16:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): that can we um adopt uh the approved minutes for the april 27th as amended your general consent

[1:16:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you so now we've got more special many minutes um from may 22nd on page 22 of the

[1:16:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): agenda package are there any additions or corrections to these minutes um

[1:16:47] Voice 9: no addition

[1:16:48] Voice 9: or correction but it might i guess this will come up later with the ryzen report regarding

[1:16:53] Voice 9: regarding the Magi Island Vial Enforcement.

[1:16:55] Voice 9: So it will, it's pretty clear right here.

[1:16:58] Trustee Elliott: So it'll come up later.

[1:16:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[1:17:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Good reference on that one.

[1:17:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): So can we approve the minutes from May 22nd

[1:17:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): through general consent?

[1:17:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): Excellent, thank you.

[1:17:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have our meetings without,

[1:17:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): or resolutions without meeting support for June 19th

[1:17:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): is here for your information.

[1:17:18] Voice 13: And

[1:17:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): we don't have any advisory planning names.

[1:17:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): so we're going to move on to our follow-up action list which is item 7.1 on the agenda and page 28

[1:17:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the um do you spell start with the staff are there anything you wish to bring to our

[1:17:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): attention from the follow-up action list the

[1:17:41] Voice 8: chairman's going to check for me

[1:17:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think

[1:17:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): trustees are there any questions regarding follow-up action list

[1:18:00] Voice 8: oh thank you i was

[1:18:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to say this old in there ah i think it stopped

[1:18:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah

[1:18:10] Voice 12: yeah thank you there

[1:18:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): we go okay so if there's no questions on the follow-up action list

[1:18:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): do we have the staff present for proceeding with the applications and

[1:18:28] Trustee Elliott: referrals there's a chair um

[1:18:31] Trustee Elliott: Planner Zupanek, should we get closer to noon?

[1:18:34] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:18:34] Trustee Elliott: Is it possible to perhaps come back to this section?

[1:18:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[1:18:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, absolutely.

[1:18:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): We need to have staff here.

[1:18:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): Could we proceed with?

[1:18:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do we have the staff person for the rezoning?

[1:18:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[1:18:52] Trustee Elliott: can bring both of these items forward.

[1:18:54] Trustee Elliott: However, I would be unable to

[1:18:56] Trustee Elliott: answer any technical questions.

[1:18:58] Trustee Elliott: so we'll if

[1:18:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): you can wait we'll have to wait for the planner to arrive so we're gonna just uh move

[1:19:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): on but come back as soon as the planner arrives on that item so with that then um do we have uh

[1:19:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): is planner chadwick with us okay good so let's go on to item 10.1 then uh this is our major project

[1:19:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): for uh the official community plan and land use bylaw review it's a engagement process staff

[1:19:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): staff report beginning on page 170 of the agenda package uh over to you planner Chadwick uh thank

[1:19:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): you chair Patrick um yeah so before I head into this I I just wanted to address a few comments

[1:19:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): that were made um previously um the comment um referring to the use of the word attainable

[1:19:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): housing um and i have to say nancy i really do appreciate you um your feedback and um and the

[1:19:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): rigor that you take in um looking at the words we use i think it is important and um so in this case

[1:20:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): um and i think we we as part of our ocp process there is a need to to have a look at definitions

[1:20:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): particularly with respect to housing and we're sort of in the process also of trying to um

[1:20:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): um, create some consistency across the trust area. So, I mean, so the use of the word

[1:20:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): attainable at this point in time, and again, this may shift, right, is really to refer to, um,

[1:20:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): affordable housing that, or housing that is, um, accessible to, uh, folks. So it's,

[1:20:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, in the general sort of discussion around how we refer to affordable and housing in general, there's subsidized and there's market housing.

[1:21:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): So the word attainable is used in the context of market housing for units that are attainable to those within, you know, not spending 30% of their gross income, which is kind of also a difficult place to be.

[1:21:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): That's the general definition, though, and the province does use attainable housing and a number of other local governments have been using attainable housing again to refer to sort of market housing that is and it generally in that context refers to smaller units and affordable housing generally refers to subsidized units.

[1:21:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): But how Gabriela wants to move forward with their definition is up to Gabriela.

[1:21:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): And the current definition is actually pretty good.

[1:21:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): It's based on, and we could move forward with just using the word affordable.

[1:21:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): I mean, the key here is that everybody understands what we're talking about.

[1:22:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): So anyways, in the context of this report, affordable housing is sort of considers housing that is essentially with a housing agreement to ensure the maintenance of that rate of housing over time.

[1:22:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): And attainable is housing that is more affordable to those who are making working people's incomes, basically.

[1:22:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): again it's challenging and as we get through i think we can have more discussion as we go

[1:22:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): move through our our engagement on this um and so um and the comments that were provided by the

[1:22:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): focus group are not lost in in this case it's just um it's just sort of defaulting to to a word for

[1:22:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): the time being so i apologize for any confusion that that may have um provided um just speaking

[1:22:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): Speaking to the suitable land analysis and the reference to sustainable infrastructure,

[1:23:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): probably not the best word phrase being used there, Trustee Yates.

[1:23:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): In that case, that refers to the two data points that we have in the suitable land analysis

[1:23:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): that are related.

[1:23:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): The one is steep slope and the one is proximity to roads.

[1:23:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): So it's referred to as sustainable.

[1:23:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): I mean, it's kind of putting, it's about putting units in places that make the most sense, like that aren't being threatened by natural challenges like steep floats or are accessible to roads.

[1:23:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): Again, I've had issue with that phrase myself, so we can certainly, it does need some kind of revisiting because it does, it's not very clear.

[1:23:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): so I agree with you there and wanted to just like provide that context for you so moving into the

[1:23:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): report so the staff have been spending some time you know we've gone through the

[1:24:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): focus groups they were very very useful to us and we started to look at how

[1:24:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): we wanted to kind of start to draft the OCP and one of the things that became very clear that

[1:24:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): was already very very clear from the start in drafting some of the policies that we put out

[1:24:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): for discussion was that there is a lot of overlap um in the language um because when when you think

[1:24:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): about what the uh the tools within an ocp or what our land use planning tools are the ocp is

[1:24:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): basically setting up the framework for the use of those tools and those tools include um you know

[1:24:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): It's subdivision regulations, it's zoning, those processes related to zoning, and the opportunities to support additional housing, to protect land, and so forth, they're all related to the use of these very specific land use tools.

[1:25:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so when we draft the bylaws within categories, housing, environment, etc., there's a lot of overlap because essentially we're talking about the use of these very specific tools in that context.

[1:25:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): So we're looking at reframing the OCP so that we don't have that overlap that's very specific and it's very clear how these tools are being used to achieve the goals that have been identified by the community and discussed by the focus group.

[1:25:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): So all of that context is being interwoven into something that's going to be very, very clear to follow.

[1:25:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so our feeling in doing this work too, we recognized that, and this is, I mean, the LTC has discussed this before, that there is a very clear area of discussion, a very, very clear area of conversation that needs to happen in the community.

[1:26:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): And it has to do with this, the idea of managing growth in the context of being able to provide affordable housing.

[1:26:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so within that, there are some really big discussions.

[1:26:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): discussions um and we thought rather than just wait until a september workshop to have this big

[1:26:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): discussion we we should we should the better use of the community's time rather because we've had

[1:26:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): quite a lot of good discussion on that on the particular topic areas and we can continue to

[1:26:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): have that but to put out some some really key questions so the community can get their start

[1:26:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): start to get to think about some of the options to address some of the things that have been

[1:27:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): raised today in the town hall around density and water and impacts. And there's an opportunity here

[1:27:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): with the OCP to move away from the traditional way of doing things to something new and that

[1:27:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): That does specifically address what has arisen as the very key topics of this process, and that is the provision of affordable housing while maintaining the integrity of the land, the natural environment, preserving, protecting, and supporting those interests.

[1:27:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): as well as the reconciliation, the Indigenous interest.

[1:27:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): And we are having great conversations with Sinemuk staff.

[1:27:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): And I'm happy to share a little bit about that.

[1:27:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): We did meet with them yesterday.

[1:28:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so within that conversation, there are some really key elements.

[1:28:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): And I've kind of identified those big ideas.

[1:28:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): is um and one is around looking at our sub the subdivision potential of the island so right now

[1:28:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): it's set up that many there's many many more lots that could be created and so that would be the

[1:28:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): traditional way of of of of increasing of um supporting the increase in density and that's

[1:28:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): already supported by by the ocp i i don't have it up right now but it's hundreds of additional

[1:28:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): lots that could potentially be developed. And we know that subdivision has the largest impact

[1:28:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): on land if you're looking at density and different ways that density can be

[1:28:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): distributed. Subdivision where you have separate plots, you have separate driveways,

[1:29:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): you do have septic systems, that's a much larger impact. Then the conversation that's being also

[1:29:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): had is around this idea of shared ownership of land, clustering of housing, the sharing of

[1:29:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): a water system, and in that context also facilitating a more economic way for

[1:29:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): for individuals to live still in private homes, but on a piece of land on Gabriela.

[1:29:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): So there's an opportunity with the OCP to have a look at subdivision potential

[1:29:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): and whether you'd like to make changes to that, support the rezoning for applications

[1:29:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): applications for several small homes within a maximum floor area, potentially.

[1:30:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): clustered way um and there's there's ways that you can open up the opportunity for that um there's

[1:30:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): also um ways that you can um encourage that in stronger ways um and then there's also the

[1:30:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): opportunity when you move into your land use bylaw review to pre-zone if that's in in areas that are

[1:30:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): suitable and that's where the all the data that we have um and we've presented through the suitable

[1:30:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): land analysis becomes um very useful and and um we we will have um the water we've got the water

[1:30:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): research data we and we um you know william and our consultant have presented on that process so

[1:30:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): that as far as i understand it's going very well and so we're going to have very good set of of

[1:30:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): data related to the the water um footprint or the water balance or um you know it's the supply and

[1:30:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): demand of water essentially is what that is. We got some really great feedback from the survey,

[1:30:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): I believe it was almost 600 responses. We're putting together a what we heard report and we

[1:31:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): did have questions around how people access their water and so it is actually quite interesting

[1:31:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): to see how many people do need to supplement with sources alternative to groundwater.

[1:31:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): water um just

[1:31:23] Trustee Elliott: a quick question go ahead um was the survey you said 600 responses was that to the

[1:31:29] Trustee Elliott: ocp survey or the groundwater

[1:31:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): ocp survey okay

[1:31:33] Trustee Elliott: do we know how

[1:31:34] Trustee Elliott: many the groundwaters i'm not sure

[1:31:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): about the the groundwater one um i haven't been working with that one but i can certainly find

[1:31:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): out for you

[1:31:40] Voice 12: um

[1:31:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah so so all that to say um we thought we would encourage the ltc to focus

[1:31:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): on some key questions through your summer engagement and those are identified on

[1:31:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): oh well the second page of the report I'm not looking at the full

[1:32:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): page 171 thank you

[1:32:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): just a question

[1:32:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have a hold on minute trustee Yates has a question yeah

[1:32:07] Trustee Elliott: speaking of page 171

[1:32:10] Trustee Elliott: I'm very excited about this possibility planner Chadwick thank you and I like the questions

[1:32:17] Trustee Elliott: What I want to see is to make sure we use exactly the same phrase when we're talking about maximum combined floor area.

[1:32:28] Trustee Elliott: So

[1:32:28] Voice 9: on the second part of page 171, there's three questions.

[1:32:35] Voice 9: And the second question, I think, is missing the word combined.

[1:32:39] Voice 9: I think we need to say combined.

[1:32:41] Voice 9: Yeah,

[1:32:42] Trustee Elliott: combined. Yeah, it is. Thank you.

[1:32:44] Trustee Elliott: and in that regard we're talking about basically

[1:32:49] Voice 9: we're talking about lot coverage aren't we

[1:32:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): um well yes and no uh yes we are we're talking about lot coverage in the sense of having a

[1:33:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): maximum combined floor area that's for dwellings so you'd also have to consider uh accessory

[1:33:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): buildings and that can also be discussed um but that's it's it's a bit more than lot coverage

[1:33:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): because it's um encouraging clustering so the homes being in like a very specific area on the

[1:33:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): lot um you know the more appropriate area on the lot from an ecological indigenous heritage all of

[1:33:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): those sort of considerations and actually one thing i i um i'm just looking for my i'm looking

[1:33:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): we're having a similar conversation for denman today um and uh i came up with an acronym what

[1:33:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): we can which we can you know discuss at some point but that the accurate so the acronym cluster

[1:33:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): uh community scaled living units sited together for ecological and economic resilience

[1:33:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): oh

[1:33:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): my gosh say that again why don't

[1:33:58] Voice 9: we just say clustering homes

[1:34:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): homes so the

[1:34:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): thing was i wrote the i wrote the gabriola staff report first so you didn't get

[1:34:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): the acronym but it's it's community scaled living units sited together for ecological and economic

[1:34:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): resilience all right it kind of

[1:34:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): works eh anyway

[1:34:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): you need the word social in there so you gotta

[1:34:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): have an s somewhere um i

[1:34:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): guess okay maybe it's there is an s okay we can play with it we can

[1:34:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): play with it that's a creative activity here um but um but you know i'll know what we're talking

[1:34:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): like we i think i think most a lot of folks have a general sense of what we're talking about here

[1:34:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): i mean we've been talking about it you've been talking about it around this table um quite a bit

[1:34:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): so um so yeah so basically it's um it's yeah just really focusing on those questions over over the

[1:34:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): summer and then in september we'll have a and we've got the date of september 14th i believe

[1:34:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): we've kind of identified as the potential date we've got some space booked. And so we can move

[1:35:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): forward in organizing that. Yeah. So at this point, really, I'm just looking for your endorsement of

[1:35:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): that approach, because it's slightly different than what had originally been discussed.

[1:35:19] Voice 13: Right, trustees, questions?

[1:35:21] Trustee Elliott: My only question was answered with making sure that we use the same phrase when we meet me,

[1:35:27] Trustee Elliott: maximum combined floor area because i really i mean i'm quite excited about this plan

[1:35:36] Trustee Elliott: yeah so we had some discussion about how the website might be um changed so that it's more

[1:35:45] Trustee Elliott: accessible um i don't see much included in this plan for the website is there still any options

[1:35:53] Trustee Elliott: Not

[1:35:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): really. I mean, I have talked to Morgana about that. There isn't really an easy way to make it more accessible. This is what I understand.

[1:36:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): end um i mean we can play around a little bit with how you get there from the main page and

[1:36:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): maybe making something more prominent but the actual jumping like the actual kind of like

[1:36:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): way that the website is structured it's what i and again i'm not i'm not a tech web website

[1:36:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): person but this is my understanding from morgana is that it was going to be there wasn't a whole

[1:36:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): lot that she could see that we could do to be able to drive people like more easily to that page

[1:36:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): besides um um like you know something on the the project page that just makes it a little bit

[1:36:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): more prominent okay

[1:36:52] Voice 10: that would be helpful yeah

[1:36:54] Voice 10: um

[1:36:56] Trustee Elliott: okay so sorry about to the content

[1:36:58] Trustee Elliott: And this is going to be a really lively discussion.

[1:37:03] Trustee Elliott: So how do we propose putting out those three questions?

[1:37:10] Trustee Elliott: How do you feel about removing the

[1:37:13] Trustee Elliott: ability for more lots

[1:37:14] Trustee Elliott: to be created?

[1:37:17] Trustee Elliott: How do you feel about the OCP supporting the ability

[1:37:19] Trustee Elliott: to rezone to enable multiple clusters

[1:37:22] Trustee Elliott: and using available data?

[1:37:24] Trustee Elliott: data so basically what kind like those questions sound like i'm for it or against it this isn't

[1:37:35] Trustee Elliott: really a qualitative or i guess it is if you if people articulate their concerns yeah

[1:37:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): and i guess

[1:37:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): we could frame it as uh so what are your thoughts on for example so that's so that's really good uh

[1:37:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): thanks for pointing that out

[1:37:51] Trustee Elliott: yeah and will there be a discussion guide on i know you're working on

[1:37:58] Trustee Elliott: some drawings and visual comparisons um but discussion we've had lots of discussion about

[1:38:04] Trustee Elliott: density and what does density mean i mean going back to the density bank and

[1:38:08] Trustee Elliott: there was some communication materials provided to the community as we talked about this is going

[1:38:16] Trustee Elliott: back to 2018 we did lots of engagement and i think through that discovered people or landowners said

[1:38:24] Trustee Elliott: said, yeah, we'd be willing to donate, you know, the subdividable part of my property towards the

[1:38:32] Trustee Elliott: density bank for affordable housing. And then nobody has done it. And so that's why we've come

[1:38:37] Trustee Elliott: to the conclusion today that the density bank is not a good tool. But the conversation about density

[1:38:43] Trustee Elliott: and the changing view of what constitutes a supportable housing unit, you know, with the septic, the water, and the services needed.

[1:39:03] Trustee Elliott: Are we going to expand on that so that people can feel confident answering those questions?

[1:39:11] Trustee Elliott: So just a clarification, Trustee Elliott, are you asking for a discussion guide such as we had with the focus groups?

[1:39:18] Trustee Elliott: Is that what you're suggesting?

[1:39:20] Trustee Elliott: I'm just asking, what are the thoughts on communication materials for this summer engagement?

[1:39:25] Trustee Elliott: What are going to be the accompanying materials for it?

[1:39:29] Trustee Elliott: I don't think it needs to be big, but we should unpack the meaning of the word density.

[1:39:34] Trustee Elliott: And is there any different ways that it's being considered in today's context?

[1:39:40] Trustee Elliott: Yeah,

[1:39:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): so we are working on some graphics. We've got Phil Testamal is putting some information together for us to sort of illustrate the concept of clustered housing and how it contrasts with sort of a subdivision approach.

[1:40:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): um so we've got that that information um i am and so we're also entering the summer now so

[1:40:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): i also have to be really aware that i don't over promise given the sort of amount of staff time

[1:40:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's available with holidays and such um um we are going to put to get that's why well we have

[1:40:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): identified the potential and this i mean you can agree to support this or not um of doing kind of

[1:40:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): of a short video presentation recorded on the website to give a bit of a context of the OCP

[1:40:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): process. And that would be an opportunity to kind of provide some information related to these

[1:40:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): topics. Putting it together, a discussion guide, I see the value in it. Absolutely. I'm just not

[1:40:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): sure. I'd have to just look at what our time availability is with Morgana and myself and

[1:41:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): and um and steven and sort of rotating um vacation times might be it might be challenging to put

[1:41:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): uh a discussion guide together but we might be able but we can definitely um um you know put

[1:41:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): something together it's just whether whether it would be like a you know looking the same

[1:41:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): as the other ones so

[1:41:20] Trustee Elliott: i would argue that a video is going to be less value than like the build-out

[1:41:26] Trustee Elliott: map

[1:41:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): right yeah well and that's what we can we can definitely the build out map would be a useful tool

[1:41:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): to put out there i do imagine uh envision us um as part of the on the website we would have the

[1:41:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): build out map we can also include some other um maps um so that so that uh the suitability of

[1:41:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): areas can be kind of understood as well i

[1:41:51] Trustee Elliott: think we need to see the actual tools that we're going

[1:41:54] Trustee Elliott: to use not explainers for the ocp we've had so many explainers we've done our best with articles

[1:42:01] Trustee Elliott: and we've been talking about the ocp people should understand uh and if they don't please

[1:42:06] Trustee Elliott: ask us questions um but we need to get into what are the technical tools that could be used to

[1:42:15] Trustee Elliott: evaluate um you know the specific you know

[1:42:20] Trustee Elliott: we're talking about asking people what what do you think

[1:42:23] Trustee Elliott: about using available data to identify suitable areas well

[1:42:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): they need to know what the day about

[1:42:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): data is

[1:42:27] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah

[1:42:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): totally yeah so yeah absolutely having those maps available is part of the

[1:42:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): is part of the the communications okay that's

[1:42:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): good it's just whether we can have them

[1:42:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): properly formatted in a you know handout kind of scenarios if it's on the website and then

[1:42:46] Trustee Elliott: direct to the website that's fine but it has to be background information what are densities what

[1:42:52] Trustee Elliott: What do these different scenarios look like?

[1:42:53] Trustee Elliott: What are the tools that we're using to evaluate?

[1:42:57] Trustee Elliott: And then the number of build-out lots still for subdivision,

[1:43:04] Trustee Elliott: if we're going to talk about removing subdivision potential.

[1:43:09] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:43:10] Trustee Elliott: I

[1:43:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): also think I'm a big, firm believer of testing language.

[1:43:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know it's easy for planners to understand what this means,

[1:43:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): even what the word rezone means.

[1:43:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we really think carefully about the questions

[1:43:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): and make sure it's described in plain language.

[1:43:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): I look at, like, number two, you know, how do you, you know,

[1:43:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): what are your thoughts of the OCP supporting the ability

[1:43:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): to rezone to enable clusters?

[1:43:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think it almost has to start with the status quo is

[1:43:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the remaining build-out will be single-family homes

[1:43:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): up to some size or not.

[1:43:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): um or do you you know so that people kind of know where you're coming from that you know if we don't

[1:43:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): change things then we will get more of this

[1:44:04] Trustee Elliott: so here's the path we're on this is the current

[1:44:07] Trustee Elliott: ocp and what it will deliver here's alternative number two here's alternative number three it

[1:44:12] Trustee Elliott: could be a way of presenting yeah

[1:44:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's what we're working with with phil uh the drawings

[1:44:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): are are basically gonna um tell that story that's that's the the hope yeah

[1:44:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): so i think it's just

[1:44:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): making sure it's chris and i'd like said if we can test it if we got some people that you could

[1:44:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): test it on that are planners

[1:44:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): maybe that are not trustees so that uh you know people who are kind

[1:44:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): of outside of it so that the questions can be clearer yeah um because it is it's hard to

[1:44:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): understand this it's complicated stuff it is

[1:44:45] Trustee Elliott: yeah so i oh sorry go ahead well just

[1:44:48] Trustee Elliott: um i think if we

[1:44:51] Trustee Elliott: are going to be doing anything like this in a public arena like the market or wherever even

[1:44:57] Trustee Elliott: if you had a one page not something fancy like we had for the focus groups they were lovely

[1:45:02] Trustee Elliott: a one

[1:45:03] Voice 9: -page discussion guide that has these questions these pertinent questions

[1:45:09] Voice 9: questions including the website any website materials that we need to look at just to guide

[1:45:16] Voice 9: discussion would be really helpful okay yeah

[1:45:22] Trustee Elliott: and i would prefer that over a

[1:45:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): webinar or a

[1:45:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): engagement video okay yeah no i think that makes a lot of sense yeah yeah

[1:45:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): invest in language

[1:45:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): graphics what it looks like i think will really have paid dividends and

[1:45:37] Voice 9: we have our local

[1:45:39] Voice 9: newspaper could easily print a one-page discussion guide to and you know we

[1:45:46] Trustee Elliott: we know

[1:45:47] Voice 9: that we know that

[1:45:48] Voice 9: our local newspaper is well used in this community so

[1:45:51] Trustee Elliott: you take advantage of that yeah budget is there

[1:45:56] Trustee Elliott: for uh communications uh

[1:45:58] Voice 8: we have

[1:45:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): four thousand okay

[1:46:02] Trustee Elliott: yeah i think some ads in the paper would

[1:46:05] Trustee Elliott: be helpful like replicating that one pager would be really good and directing people to where they

[1:46:10] Trustee Elliott: could find more information yeah

[1:46:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): okay so one pager that sort of uh i guess like provides

[1:46:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): some clarification around what these questions are talking about essentially right so provides

[1:46:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): whatever that background might be yeah uh visuals and if you know for number two we will have some

[1:46:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): some visuals for that and definitely um we'll be putting the maps on the the website um and we can

[1:46:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): we can look at how we might be able to uh we can definitely have um maps i'll have to i'll think

[1:46:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): about how we can um provide maps for our engagement uh uh direct engagement yeah

[1:46:57] Trustee Elliott: so

[1:46:58] Trustee Elliott: So is this a survey?

[1:47:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): Which is not going to, it's not going to be the same as last, sorry, just, it's not going to be the same as last year because we just don't have the capacity.

[1:47:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): Last year we had a co-op student that was devoted to the process, Joanne, who was on Island.

[1:47:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): So that was, that made that very easy to do.

[1:47:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): We don't have the same capacity this year.

[1:47:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): So it's going to be sort of just a couple of markets, but we've got Chloe helping us at some of the main events.

[1:47:28] Trustee Elliott: i'm mulling this over as the utility of being in markets to capture people's opinions and views

[1:47:38] Trustee Elliott: about a topic that several topics that require quite a bit of thought and yeah so it's not

[1:47:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): really to to capture their views it's more to to drive them to the website to to express

[1:47:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): And

[1:47:52] Trustee Elliott: on the website, is there an open survey or comments can be made? And will those comments be visible to everybody? Or is that just captured and then funneled to staff?

[1:48:06] Trustee Elliott: off um yeah

[1:48:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): i've been working with um morgana around what options could be for that um and um

[1:48:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): so what we were leaning towards is it's kind of it would be kind of this uh it wouldn't be

[1:48:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): it would be the platform would be i think survey monkey so basically they would be able to go to

[1:48:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): the website and fill out it uh and answer the questions in it wouldn't be a survey no more

[1:48:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): surveys it's going to have the straight up question um but it wouldn't be necessary it

[1:48:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): wouldn't so what we've discussed for right for the time being is not something that would

[1:48:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): be kind of like a a discussion board it's more um they provide your feedback yeah

[1:48:55] Trustee Elliott: my concern is

[1:48:57] Trustee Elliott: that these questions have the potential to create polarizing um sort of on one side or the other

[1:49:08] Trustee Elliott: and what community members can when we don't have information then people are like well i don't know

[1:49:20] Trustee Elliott: did i give input to this or not and then they might go to it again and you know want to get

[1:49:25] Trustee Elliott: all their friends talking about this element i'm just i'm struggling with how like the how we're

[1:49:31] Trustee Elliott: going to capture the community views in an equitable way this is always my concern if we're

[1:49:40] Trustee Elliott: not doing a survey and there's no way to determine people are submitting multiple answers if it

[1:49:46] Trustee Elliott: represents a group of people how are we gathering this information it's

[1:49:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): self-selected they just show

[1:49:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): up on the website yeah

[1:49:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): it's a really good question that's been our question all the way through this

[1:50:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): process um and we've we've tried different ways um to reach a more varied audience so um i mean

[1:50:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): I mean, any feedback that you have is welcome.

[1:50:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): I mean, yeah.

[1:50:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): Part of it is that we don't have the ability to have somebody dedicated to this

[1:50:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): and to take the time to go and talk to people.

[1:50:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): That would be the absolute ideal way to do it.

[1:50:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): So in absence of that, we need to think about what could be the most effective for your community.

[1:50:42] Trustee Elliott: Well, should we host a couple of drop-in sessions?

[1:50:48] Trustee Elliott: We could try.

[1:50:49] Trustee Elliott: If we have

[1:50:51] Voice 9: the little information sheet,

[1:50:53] Voice 9: we know what we need people to, where we need to meet people,

[1:50:57] Voice 9: I have no problem with that.

[1:50:59] Voice 10: Yeah,

[1:50:59] Trustee Elliott: because what we struggled with, I mean, I know we've tried,

[1:51:02] Trustee Elliott: and this is, staff have tried every single approach possible.

[1:51:06] Trustee Elliott: So this is in no way saying that what we've done

[1:51:09] Trustee Elliott: and it's not accomplished the goal of getting really good community input the survey 600 results

[1:51:17] Trustee Elliott: that's great the groundwater survey was not as much uptake and we still have people coming on

[1:51:24] Trustee Elliott: that last OCP drop-in who had no idea who were well invested in studying groundwater and so

[1:51:32] Trustee Elliott: the thing that seems to work is us making ourselves available having the good information

[1:51:38] Trustee Elliott: and telling people to go to the website and give your comments there yeah um i don't think

[1:51:44] Trustee Elliott: community i mean a little bit of this the fall fair but that's just so many visitors and you

[1:51:50] Trustee Elliott: spend a lot of time i agree explaining i think posters going up in the village posters at

[1:51:57] Trustee Elliott: mailboxes um

[1:51:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): well and that's actually interesting because we did with the rdn we we hit every

[1:52:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): every single household like we did that that collaborative effort and we hit every single

[1:52:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): household with the link to directly to the survey and the uptake was limited at that time

[1:52:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): and what what actually bolstered it was like a message just before it was closing

[1:52:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): it seems that people that's how that seems to be the way that people respond yeah

[1:52:31] Trustee Elliott: definitely

[1:52:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): well i i spoke to a a young family person from gabriella just yesterday and he said

[1:52:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm not coming to i can't come to a daytime event but young children can't come yeah we

[1:52:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): tried that too with um we tried that with the community event we had a babysitter and

[1:52:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): children's activities so we've tried a variety of things i

[1:52:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): know well he said he'd come to a do a

[1:52:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): zoom

[1:52:59] Trustee Elliott: so i have a suggestion i think that we can uh move this recommendation um because i'm pretty

[1:53:09] Trustee Elliott: happy with you know with the way it's outlined here and then i do think that trustee elliot and

[1:53:15] Trustee Elliott: i could work on a couple of um what do we call those little open houses that we schedule at the

[1:53:21] Trustee Elliott: library because we were able to do those in the evening and late afternoon when so to give people

[1:53:26] Trustee Elliott: options of when they can attend and you and i can do that separately i'd be happy to do that as long

[1:53:33] Trustee Elliott: as i have one little information sheet that relates directly

[1:53:37] Voice 9: to where

[1:53:38] Trustee Elliott: we're at right now

[1:53:38] Voice 13: i

[1:53:39] Trustee Elliott: think we can easily do that so i'd be happy to you know move this forward

[1:53:44] Voice 13: and

[1:53:46] Trustee Elliott: can i and i

[1:53:47] Trustee Elliott: totally agree with you i think we need to have opportunities for people to come in person

[1:53:51] Trustee Elliott: there needs to be good information provided they need to be directed to the website and it should

[1:53:55] Trustee Elliott: be only a two-week period of input okay far the longer things drag over summertime everybody gets

[1:54:06] Trustee Elliott: distracted we hear about it we put a lot of effort into communications and it goes nowhere because

[1:54:10] Trustee Elliott: the survey is open for six months it's just it doesn't work yeah so like two to three weeks i

[1:54:16] Trustee Elliott: I would say a concentrated period that we coordinate drop-in sessions,

[1:54:23] Trustee Elliott: one or two, I'll go to the volleyball session or we can,

[1:54:28] Trustee Elliott: at Twin Beaches, I'll make an effort to reach people.

[1:54:32] Trustee Elliott: I know you'll make an effort to reach people, you know,

[1:54:34] Trustee Elliott: and just really focus on getting a broad spectrum of feedback.

[1:54:41] Trustee Elliott: I think this is an important area.

[1:54:43] Trustee Elliott: out surveys. People are so done with surveys. That's the real challenge right now. And the

[1:54:50] Trustee Elliott: policy statement's coming up, which is going to be another whole range of engagement to confuse

[1:54:56] Trustee Elliott: the issue. So let's do a focused sort of time-limited outreach and work with trustees on

[1:55:03] Trustee Elliott: that. I'd be happy to help. Nerissa has her hand up.

[1:55:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, sorry. Where's Nerissa? There she is.

[1:55:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): just

[1:55:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): jump in yeah yeah yeah um uh so two things first of all do we need a prize

[1:55:20] Voice 12: yeah okay

[1:55:21] Voice 12: we're gonna have a prize

[1:55:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): and then the other um thing is that um so what i'll do is i

[1:55:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): i will um i will draft up something for you um to have a look at and you can let me know if it's got

[1:55:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): the like enough information for you um and then we can um maybe work uh i can work with you to

[1:55:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): identify the the period of time that would be the the best yeah

[1:55:50] Voice 12: well

[1:55:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): it could be you're sort

[1:55:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): of leading up to this during that period of time you can be promoting the the the community

[1:55:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): discussion in september right

[1:56:00] Trustee Elliott: yeah that'd be great actually to have a little highlight look for this

[1:56:03] Trustee Elliott: an actual workshop yeah okay

[1:56:06] Voice 9: so question for chair patrick can we make a recommendation um to um

[1:56:14] Voice 9: to approve it as presented with discussed amendments would that be appropriate

[1:56:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'd look to staff for how to make sure this is uh captured properly yeah

[1:56:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): i think i think you can say

[1:56:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): endorse the revised approach

[1:56:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): to the next phase in the community

[1:56:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): engagement project as amended. That would be fine.

[1:56:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): As amended

[1:56:46] Voice 12: at this meeting?

[1:56:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): At June 26th.

[1:56:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): As discussed, either

[1:56:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): of those will be fine.

[1:56:55] Voice 9: I'd be happy to

[1:56:56] Voice 9: make that motion.

[1:56:58] Voice 9: I move that Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[1:57:01] Voice 9: committee endorsed the revised approach to the next phase in community engagement for the Gabriel

[1:57:06] Voice 9: OCP review project as discussed at the June 26th local trust committee meeting okay

[1:57:18] Trustee Elliott: and just before

[1:57:19] Trustee Elliott: a second so the as discussed is changing the language from how do you feel to what do you

[1:57:25] Trustee Elliott: think yeah consistency with the clusters and then removing the webinar the engagement video

[1:57:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah yeah we're moving from that to a discussion guide yeah yeah excellent

[1:57:45] Trustee Elliott: okay

[1:57:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'll second that thank you the motion's been seconded is there any discussion i'll call the

[1:57:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): vote them all those in favor that carries any other questions on this great

[1:58:03] Trustee Elliott: got to this place

[1:58:06] Trustee Elliott: thank you planner chadwick thank you i

[1:58:08] Trustee Elliott: will

[1:58:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): be in touch okay i'm cognizant of the time but i'm also

[1:58:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): cognizant the applicant for the second application is in the room is there can we address that second

[1:58:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): second application. Sorry, the 9.2, so that would and then take then take lunch to come back to 9.1. Would that be all right with staff? Okay, so thank you for letting me play with the agenda a little bit. We'll go to 9.2 then, which is the rezoning 2022.1. There's a stock report beginning on page 155.

[1:58:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): I believe that's going to be Planner Zupanek.

[1:59:01] Voice 13: Okay, thank

[1:59:09] Voice 12: you.

[1:59:28] Trustee Elliott: So, Planner Braw has recommended that the level case committee enter into cross-recovery

[1:59:34] Trustee Elliott: with the applicant in order to initiate the goal services for a draft housing agreement

[1:59:40] Trustee Elliott: bring us in the file, as well as the company was your component.

[1:59:45] Trustee Elliott: application.

[1:59:47] Trustee Elliott: Should proceed to adoption. So recommendation one, five or

[1:59:52] Trustee Elliott: seven of all the subsequent recommendations are to correct

[1:59:57] Trustee Elliott: citations in the

[2:00:00] Trustee Elliott: a plan for first reading. So that wouldn't be done at any point in time. However, the

[2:00:06] Trustee Elliott: planner is recommending that we take care of this at this point today. So that's recommendation

[2:00:13] Trustee Elliott: two is to correct both citations and give first reading as amended. And recommendations

[2:00:23] Trustee Elliott: four and five similarly citations to the land use file amendment and first reading as

[2:00:29] Trustee Elliott: as amended, are there any questions

[2:00:32] Trustee Elliott: about the recommendations?

[2:00:34] Trustee Elliott: Well,

[2:00:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think we have the applicant here as well.

[2:00:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): I believe, is there anything you'd like to add

[2:00:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): or talk to us about today?

[2:00:42] Voice 11: I think just, I consulted with Nancy Henrington

[2:00:46] Voice 11: with regards to the affordable housing agreement

[2:00:50] Voice 11: and because they've done this recently with Paisley Place

[2:00:55] Voice 11: I think there's lots of opportunity to pick up some of the language that's in their agreement

[2:01:02] Voice 11: to create this agreement.

[2:01:05] Voice 11: The other thing is, as you mentioned about the OCP, maybe possibly changing some of the

[2:01:11] Voice 11: language with regards to this down the road.

[2:01:14] Voice 11: So perhaps it's possible to kick my agreement down the road a little bit, but without interrupting

[2:01:24] Voice 11: the progress that's being made so far on the application, so maybe we can move

[2:01:31] Voice 11: that after

[2:01:32] Voice 11: some community engagement meetings or something like that, or keep it all sort of rolling.

[2:01:41] Trustee Elliott: So, another question. I wasn't clear on how the new OCP proposed policies around affordable

[2:01:52] Trustee Elliott: affordable housing could affect a draft housing agreement I mean I I

[2:02:01] Trustee Elliott: still feel like the language

[2:02:02] Trustee Elliott: is pretty consistent with affordable housing are we expecting any large departures that's a good

[2:02:11] Trustee Elliott: question for planner Chadwick is that work is getting done through the OCD project um but to

[2:02:20] Trustee Elliott: to ask for staff's sort of analysis on that may

[2:02:23] Trustee Elliott: not be possible for this piece and perhaps

[2:02:28] Trustee Elliott: I'll also add that the adoption timing for the OCP will go on if the OCP won't be adopted

[2:02:38] Trustee Elliott: this year. So if you're waiting for an OCP to be in effect and the timing of this rezoning

[2:02:44] Trustee Elliott: application for consideration they're not closer together yeah yeah very long time yeah

[2:02:52] Voice 8: okay trustee

[2:02:53] Trustee Elliott: oh sorry go

[2:02:54] Voice 9: ahead so i actually had a question for um regarding housing agreements

[2:03:02] Voice 9: i

[2:03:03] Trustee Elliott: i was actually surprised to to know even though this we've asked for this affordable housing you

[2:03:10] Trustee Elliott: unit. I was surprised to learn that you would

[2:03:14] Voice 9: have a housing agreement for just one

[2:03:19] Voice 9: affordable unit. It

[2:03:21] Trustee Elliott: seems like a huge palaver when in fact you could ensure that was affordable just

[2:03:29] Trustee Elliott: by making sure it was affordable in some other way, you know, by checking, oh well how much

[2:03:34] Trustee Elliott: are they renting it for and, you know, and just do kind of like a check on that

[2:03:41] Trustee Elliott: regularly and so

[2:03:43] Voice 9: it seemed odd to me that that we would have to have a whole housing agreement for

[2:03:47] Voice 9: just one affordable unit so can you i'm sure there's a really good reason but can you explain

[2:03:53] Trustee Elliott: that to me well really that is the only tool that you have to ensure that affordability that you

[2:04:01] Trustee Elliott: just described there is no other mechanism for us to ensure that when food is only is

[2:04:06] Trustee Elliott: issue number one that the housing is even constructed right unless the zoning is written

[2:04:11] Trustee Elliott: such a way that the use is concurrently tied to commercially currently the way the draft file

[2:04:17] Trustee Elliott: that's not a requirement right we're making this be optional i do get that part yeah and so and

[2:04:26] Trustee Elliott: on top of that if you don't have a housing agreement the ocp is where we're working under

[2:04:31] Trustee Elliott: are currently

[2:04:32] Voice 13: is

[2:04:32] Trustee Elliott: the only tool that was being utilized to ensure that we understand that there

[2:04:39] Trustee Elliott: is no other loophole for operators to suddenly have market rentals. So it can't just be across

[2:04:53] Trustee Elliott: our fingers, the office works and checking on them every year. So it's really not the way we can

[2:04:57] Trustee Elliott: operate with folks because if there was an issue we have no mechanism to ensure compliance if

[2:05:03] Trustee Elliott: there's a housing agreement registered on title that compliance is that then a legal term that

[2:05:10] Trustee Elliott: has to be conducted and there's mechanisms in place to bring the unit into compliance

[2:05:16] Trustee Elliott: and of course

[2:05:18] Voice 9: it goes with the

[2:05:18] Trustee Elliott: property even if it's sold so that makes

[2:05:21] Trustee Elliott: a difference too okay so

[2:05:22] Trustee Elliott: we do have examples in the trust where we have one unit of housing with a housing agreement

[2:05:26] Trustee Elliott: know every year they send us the statutory notification requirement that they apply

[2:05:31] Trustee Elliott: well thank you that's very helpful that's

[2:05:39] Voice 11: the question is there a way to tie that agreement

[2:05:42] Voice 11: with a building permit so that we get into that if and when something's going to get built

[2:06:01] Trustee Elliott: the bylaw can be drafted in such a way that requires any use any the first zoning permit even

[2:06:11] Trustee Elliott: to be the trigger even if it's not for housing for example if you feel really strongly that you

[2:06:16] Trustee Elliott: want this housing to actually be realized there's a number of ways to do it and phase it so that it

[2:06:22] Trustee Elliott: it has to be conducted at that point in time. There's no

[2:06:26] Trustee Elliott: application to marry the process and collect the fees and do that

[2:06:31] Trustee Elliott: piece. So we all have to be doing across the country, I

[2:06:33] Trustee Elliott: imagine, at that point in time to undertake that work. The

[2:06:37] Trustee Elliott: reason we tie to the rezoning is this is where the public hearing

[2:06:40] Trustee Elliott: is presenting all the supporting documentations. Everybody

[2:06:44] Trustee Elliott: understands what the terms would be if this were to be developed

[2:06:47] Trustee Elliott: in its entirety what does this look like and it gives some level of confidence that all these

[2:06:54] Trustee Elliott: issues have been addressed embedded contemplated drafted and is registrable at the time of adoption

[2:07:02] Trustee Elliott: so that things can get going if the applicants wishes that this act faces phased agreement might

[2:07:08] Trustee Elliott: be that there's actually no plan in the immediate future to develop these housing units but the

[2:07:16] Trustee Elliott: planner and the applicant can work together to sort of figure out well then what is the

[2:07:20] Trustee Elliott: bathing options to ensure that these bylaws will require that piece to be conducted

[2:07:27] Trustee Elliott: and that the uses on the land cannot continue if that agreement isn't registered on title so

[2:07:34] Trustee Elliott: there would be change in language to the bylaws that we would present in that case

[2:07:37] Trustee Elliott: um again simply it could be that it's um a covenant it could be that it's somehow embedded

[2:07:43] Trustee Elliott: in the zoning there's a few different options and there's benefits and cons to different approaches

[2:07:49] Trustee Elliott: right we just want to make sure there's no loopholes where 10 years goes by and then oh

[2:07:54] Trustee Elliott: there wasn't strong enough language to require the housing agreement

[2:07:58] Voice 12: and

[2:07:58] Trustee Elliott: that's a missed opportunity so yes in short there are ways to face this we just want to be

[2:08:05] Trustee Elliott: clear at the time of public hearing that people understand what would all be incorporated and

[2:08:11] Trustee Elliott: why certain information hasn't been provided or hasn't been presented and that the local trust committee is confident that in the absence of that, a future LTC will still have the ability to get that level of information and determine that it's sufficient to address what the proposal has been intended to be.

[2:08:29] Trustee Elliott: It's one unit under a housing agreement for affordable housing.

[2:08:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): the only thing i want to add is uh we had some learned a lot on salt spring i'd encourage you

[2:08:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): to talk with uh probably arkham hutton because we had to remove a housing agreement on a property

[2:08:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): where the housing didn't get built many many years like a decade went by and now we have a

[2:08:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing agreement that just looking back on it and say boy it should have had a bit more flexibility

[2:08:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): or something built at that time because now

[2:08:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's gone the housing affordability is gone on that

[2:09:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): property because it was too prescriptive when it was created. So

[2:09:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's some lessons learned that

[2:09:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think would be helpful in the drafting. And so

[2:09:10] Trustee Elliott: that's a consideration as well as is the

[2:09:13] Trustee Elliott: is the importance more that it's rental housing, market rental, whatever sustainable rental

[2:09:20] Trustee Elliott: and that flexibility is there or that it has to be tied to affordability and your OCP

[2:09:25] Trustee Elliott: policy directive is such that these units because it's currently one accommodation per lot

[2:09:33] Trustee Elliott: um that it would need to be tied to the housing room unless the ltc decides if they're

[2:09:39] Trustee Elliott: comfortable waving up i see now thank you for coming back to the attainable versus the portable

[2:09:46] Trustee Elliott: housing and flexibility so and and this is why it might be important to wait until at least we

[2:09:55] Trustee Elliott: have some indication from the community what the policies or the desired policies are and how

[2:10:02] Trustee Elliott: restrictive they should be for directing affordable housing be created or attainable you know rental

[2:10:09] Trustee Elliott: housing let's say so if this is is it oh it's so terrible to have to give options or think through

[2:10:20] Trustee Elliott: i'm not a planner this is i have problems with timelines and phases but if the if the um public

[2:10:29] Trustee Elliott: hearing could it present um a path that's like here is what the ltc has directed this is the

[2:10:38] Trustee Elliott: path there would be a housing agreement secured on one property and we or an alternative is that

[2:10:45] Trustee Elliott: there isn't a housing agreement but there's flexibility maintained for that

[2:10:49] Trustee Elliott: unit that it could be that it should be used as a workforce market rental housing for attainable

[2:10:57] Trustee Elliott: housing let's say and you go through the public hearing with option one an alternative

[2:11:03] Trustee Elliott: then we hear from the community and that sort of takes the temperature of where do we sit with

[2:11:10] Trustee Elliott: directive prescriptive covenant tools versus we just want to make sure that this is a residential

[2:11:21] Trustee Elliott: unit that's you know can be rented by somebody because i'm i'm finding myself in a difficult

[2:11:29] Trustee Elliott: position here as with this file we have asked you to add housing to essentially a commercial

[2:11:36] Trustee Elliott: commercial operation. Now we're through this process. It's going to be a benefit to the

[2:11:40] Trustee Elliott: community. If it truly is affordable housing, it might be a benefit to you if it's rental housing

[2:11:46] Trustee Elliott: and you have a renter for whatever reason. So I struggle to really make us direct you to do this

[2:11:59] Trustee Elliott: thing when it's the community that's been asking for, you know, affordable housing in the core.

[2:12:04] Trustee Elliott: and now we're asking you to pay for that and it's just doesn't is it and is it going to be a

[2:12:10] Trustee Elliott: financial hardship to to draft that housing agreement and go and pay for the legal fees

[2:12:16] Trustee Elliott: like i'm concerned about that too some

[2:12:20] Voice 10: questions you're

[2:12:24] Trustee Elliott: referring to the cost recovery yeah yes

[2:12:26] Trustee Elliott: yeah um yeah

[2:12:28] Voice 9: do we have advice from staff on how far we can move this along today

[2:12:34] Voice 9: day and not compromise that

[2:12:38] Trustee Elliott: wished for housing well the decision is that is the housing more

[2:12:47] Trustee Elliott: important the units of housing and the options for those housing whatever that rental is whether

[2:12:53] Trustee Elliott: it's market or tangible or affordable that flexibility for a future point in time

[2:12:57] Voice 13: or is

[2:12:59] Trustee Elliott: it that the housing is critical and must be tied to the first development redevelopment of the lot

[2:13:05] Trustee Elliott: and regardless of what type of housing it is you want those units to be constructed

[2:13:10] Trustee Elliott: and it's not optional for a developer to not build that housing that's also something that this

[2:13:17] Trustee Elliott: recently application could address or is it critical that housing at least one of those units

[2:13:22] Trustee Elliott: is affordable which is consistent with your OCP direction that's why there's not an increase

[2:13:29] Trustee Elliott: necessarily but when you have two units versus the one that's currently permitted so if there's

[2:13:35] Trustee Elliott: going to be a second unit authorized but it's tied to that affordability metrics and that

[2:13:43] Trustee Elliott: the second one is whatever it is determined to be so that it supports the development in its

[2:13:51] Trustee Elliott: entirety it's what is the desire for the final built product on this parcel to address well i

[2:14:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): HAB-Masyn Moyer- I guess my question is more so for the rezoning if it was resolved for I guess it's two units of affordable housing.

[2:14:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): HAB-Masyn Moyer- or one whatever the number is.

[2:14:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): HAB-Masyn Moyer- With the how could the housing agreement be entered at the time of construction, rather than the time of resolving and the rezoning specific about saying it's an affordable housing unit.

[2:14:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): HAB

[2:14:31] Trustee Elliott: -Masyn Moyer- For sure, so that's what the applicants in that.

[2:14:34] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- With

[2:14:34] Trustee Elliott: that.

[2:14:36] Trustee Elliott: I was saying, fortunately, development isn't going to be realized in the near future. So the output of natural resources at this stage might be premature.

[2:14:46] Trustee Elliott: Considering that that's not really part of the immediate plan for redevelopment.

[2:14:51] Trustee Elliott: they're having some benefits may never be managed may never be realized you know if the property is

[2:14:57] Trustee Elliott: not developed with that in mind the ability to do it in the future becomes more and more difficult

[2:15:03] Trustee Elliott: because the best time to incorporate the onset so that the construction of the commercial

[2:15:09] Trustee Elliott: is complementary to the residential piece of otherwise it becomes a huge financial barrier

[2:15:15] Voice 13: to

[2:15:15] Trustee Elliott: retroactively retrofit commercial uses or mixed uses to involve the residential

[2:15:21] Trustee Elliott: but that's a lost opportunity for the community and i'm saying that there might be two units it's

[2:15:26] Trustee Elliott: not guaranteed and it's not in china release violence unless that's the direction of local

[2:15:31] Trustee Elliott: transplant that you would proceed only under the condition that housing is part and parcel

[2:15:38] Trustee Elliott: all that's not what the applicant is asking this committee if housing is the issue

[2:15:50] Trustee Elliott: the inventory regardless of the affordability is just the inventory of rental housing which

[2:15:58] Trustee Elliott: is a significant section of the spectrum that's missing in the real world yeah

[2:16:02] Trustee Elliott: and that's what

[2:16:03] Trustee Elliott: thank you for clarifying separating the the opportunity for the community to see that there

[2:16:10] Trustee Elliott: might be two units built or there's one unit that's affordable housing and that's secured

[2:16:16] Trustee Elliott: at the time of rezoning versus at the time of residential construction i think we have heard

[2:16:22] Trustee Elliott: from the community over and over again from the connectivity focus groups from the economy group

[2:16:29] Trustee Elliott: from the housing group that there needs to be more housing units in areas that are already

[2:16:36] Trustee Elliott: developed. We have heard this over and over again that combining residential with commercial, while

[2:16:42] Trustee Elliott: very difficult, is desirable. And so I would consider that as where our OCP is going because

[2:16:52] Trustee Elliott: because we are hearing from the community consistently, that's important.

[2:16:57] Trustee Elliott: I think that personally, you know,

[2:17:03] Trustee Elliott: having the applicant build two units and not necessarily one being

[2:17:11] Trustee Elliott: affordable housing,

[2:17:13] Trustee Elliott: but that they are two units for attainable or market rental housing is a

[2:17:20] Trustee Elliott: benefit to the community.

[2:17:22] Trustee Elliott: And it's over and above what the applicant was planning to do.

[2:17:26] Trustee Elliott: with his property so it's to me that's sort of a middle ground where we're setting we're asking you

[2:17:32] Trustee Elliott: to do more um

[2:17:34] Trustee Elliott: but i feel like that extra step of creating the affordable housing agreement for just

[2:17:40] Trustee Elliott: one unit of housing is a little bit onerous um it's more money and time and really if it's just

[2:17:49] Trustee Elliott: going to secure one unit is that really a benefit when we've already come so far and asked you to do

[2:17:57] Trustee Elliott: much more than was originally envisioned so so can i ask that question so the

[2:18:07] Trustee Elliott: one unit of housing could be constructed and the second could also not ever be realized like that

[2:18:13] Trustee Elliott: the other situation that could arise is that you can have nothing for a long period of time and

[2:18:19] Trustee Elliott: eventually one and then potentially two at some point or that there's a requirement for both to

[2:18:24] Trustee Elliott: be tied to the construction or redevelopment of the commercial portions without any restrictions

[2:18:31] Trustee Elliott: however you may need to consider amendment language for your OCP policy so that you're

[2:18:36] Trustee Elliott: advising the executive committee that you've considered this policy in your OCP and it

[2:18:40] Trustee Elliott: recognizes additional density has to be tied to a housing agreement but that you waived it

[2:18:47] Trustee Elliott: So basically, you have to consider it and know that your final model is somehow contemplated

[2:18:56] Trustee Elliott: kind of work around this, because I think from our planning perspective, we would deem

[2:19:00] Trustee Elliott: this to be inconsistent with the OCP direction, and that would likely come up at a community

[2:19:05] Trustee Elliott: information meeting or a public hearing, and you would need to be comfortable articulating

[2:19:12] Trustee Elliott: the rationale for that.

[2:19:14] Trustee Elliott: I'm comfortable articulating the rationale for that.

[2:19:19] Voice 9: Yes. And

[2:19:20] Voice 9: I was sort of when I came up with that initial question about, oh, do we really need a housing agreement for just one

[2:19:28] Trustee Elliott: affordable unit?

[2:19:30] Trustee Elliott: Because my concern is I'm thinking about the lost opportunities of previous commercial areas where it's so obvious there could have been housing on top and affordable or otherwise just rental units.

[2:19:43] Trustee Elliott: And when you're building, construction costs are so high now, but when you're building a commercial space with all the requirements needed, including potable water, that's when those rental units should be going in, if you're going to do them at all.

[2:20:00] Trustee Elliott: And so my concern is that we get those two rental units. And to be honest, only having one affordable is not that big of a deal to me.

[2:20:10] Voice 13: my

[2:20:10] Trustee Elliott: concern more is setting a good example of having two rental units attached to that

[2:20:19] Trustee Elliott: commercial development yeah

[2:20:21] Voice 12: i agree so

[2:20:23] Trustee Elliott: i'm in favor of requiring two densities to at the time

[2:20:27] Trustee Elliott: of the building permit so that that is considered with is complementary to the commercial construction

[2:20:33] Trustee Elliott: but i would want to hear from you kent what you think about that

[2:20:40] Voice 11: I think I'd have a hard time with a requirement to build housing as part of anything I want to do

[2:20:49] Voice 11: there because it would preclude other potential things that could happen that aren't related to

[2:20:57] Voice 11: housing. So currently in the bylaws it's written up so that if there is these two housing units

[2:21:11] Voice 11: they have to be within the envelope of a commercial building yeah so um so let's say

[2:21:19] Voice 11: i want to put up a greenhouse i don't want to have to build two residential units while i'm

[2:21:27] Voice 11: putting up a greenhouse you know what i mean um so i don't think it would really

[2:21:33] Voice 11: be uh be appropriate to to say build residential units if you apply for a permit to do anything

[2:21:46] Trustee Elliott: no that that could definitely be averted the situation that you're describing right so a

[2:21:52] Trustee Elliott: bc building code doesn't apply to the room once anyway it would likely be triggered at the time

[2:21:57] Trustee Elliott: of a significant redevelopment of the property you know in excess of certain hundreds or maybe

[2:22:04] Trustee Elliott: it sounds like a

[2:22:05] Trustee Elliott: commercial space yeah

[2:22:07] Voice 11: the size of the unit are defined up to a different size so

[2:22:13] Voice 11: the um related commercial building underneath it would have to be a certain size also right yeah

[2:22:20] Trustee Elliott: and that way that the code implementation for the commercial already contemplates like that's

[2:22:28] Trustee Elliott: the benefit of doing it together because then it contemplates that residential piece

[2:22:31] Trustee Elliott: and the design of the building is incorporating that residential piece into fire safety issues

[2:22:40] Trustee Elliott: and access and egress and all that which is very difficult to do after a commercial building

[2:22:44] Trustee Elliott: to just tuck the residential on top and that's

[2:22:48] Trustee Elliott: why it doesn't get done yeah because the retrofit

[2:22:51] Trustee Elliott: is financially outside the school yeah and just in addition to that part of the reason that we

[2:23:00] Trustee Elliott: wanted the rental units to

[2:23:02] Voice 9: be part of the commercial envelope is that then the ground

[2:23:04] Voice 9: there would be a groundwater license and that would be part of

[2:23:09] Trustee Elliott: it too so so how do we proceed

[2:23:14] Trustee Elliott: what so recommendation number one is um then off not for consideration if that's the case

[2:23:22] Trustee Elliott: you would just ignore that um i'd still recommend strongly that two three four and five are advanced

[2:23:30] Trustee Elliott: today, so we can just tidy that up and repost the bylaws to the website that cleaned up,

[2:23:36] Trustee Elliott: and that the local trust committee could direct staff to bring the

[2:23:58] Voice 12: amendment language in the

[2:24:06] Trustee Elliott: the bylaws to ensure that housing and the density of housing that you're expecting

[2:24:15] Voice 13: is

[2:24:16] Trustee Elliott: tied to the mental development of the property in the future given zoning or restrictive

[2:24:23] Trustee Elliott: covenants. Those tools will be analyzed and will then bring back the best possible option

[2:24:29] Trustee Elliott: to consider prior to any further meetings. So that if there are any legal instruments

[2:24:35] Trustee Elliott: instruments that need to be considered you're going to explore like out of like the covenant

[2:24:41] Trustee Elliott: or if we can just use a provision in the zoning like a condition of use so that we would direct

[2:24:50] Trustee Elliott: staff to consider or to consider amending language in the bylaws to ensure that the housing density

[2:24:56] Trustee Elliott: is tied to the commercial redevelopment of the property in the future prior to further readings

[2:25:04] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, and then I'm not sure, but staff can discuss this with our RPM before the next time you look at this to determine whether or not we need any directive language from the local trust committee regarding your acknowledgement of your OCP policy and formal waiving of the requirement for a housing agreement for a second unit of residential density for this application.

[2:25:27] Trustee Elliott: I think that would help us to plan for a future community information meeting, a public hearing

[2:25:34] Trustee Elliott: with that clear resolution from the local trust committee that you have considered it,

[2:25:38] Trustee Elliott: you have discussed the consequences.

[2:25:39] Trustee Elliott: It doesn't better your discretion having that OCP policy, but it's the language that then

[2:25:45] Trustee Elliott: means a message to the community of who's expecting you to abide by those policies.

[2:25:53] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I think we definitely need that. So we can come back to that for you and suggest

[2:26:00] Trustee Elliott: language that we think might be supportive if it needs to be a resolution, but I suspect

[2:26:04] Trustee Elliott: that won't be.

[2:26:06] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[2:26:07] Trustee Elliott: So would you like us to go ahead with the second 2.5 and then come back to that recommendation?

[2:26:15] Trustee Elliott: What do you

[2:26:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): think?

[2:26:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's fine, because we're not amending it. So that's just a future amendment. So yeah,

[2:26:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): you can proceed with them okay so so

[2:26:24] Trustee Elliott: i moved up the gabriella island local trust committee

[2:26:27] Trustee Elliott: amend bylaw number 318 cited as

[2:26:30] Voice 9: gabriel official community plan bylaw number 166 1997 amendment

[2:26:36] Voice 9: number 1 2024 as follows a schedule 2 section 1 subsection 1.1 is amended by removing lot b

[2:26:45] Voice 9: Plan VIP 50373, Section 19, District 32, and replacing it with Lot B, Section 19,

[2:26:54] Voice 9: Gabriel Island and Imo District Plan VIP 60373, and B. Schedule 3, Section 1, is amended by

[2:27:05] Voice 9: removing Lot B, Plan VIP 50373, Section 19, District 32, and replacing it with Lot B,

[2:27:14] Voice 9: Section 19, Gabriel Island

[2:27:16] Trustee Elliott: and Navajo District Plan, VIP 60373.

[2:27:21] Trustee Elliott: Great. Is there a second?

[2:27:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Frosty Elliott. Any discussion?

[2:27:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Call the vote. All those in favor? That carries.

[2:27:33] Voice 9: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee,

[2:27:35] Voice 9: Bylaw No. 318, cited as Gabriel Official Community Plan,

[2:27:39] Voice 9: Bylaw No. 166, 1927, Amendment No. 1, 2024,

[2:27:44] Trustee Elliott: be read a first time as amended.

[2:27:47] Trustee Elliott: Is there a second? Seconded by Trustee Elliott. Any discussion? All those

[2:27:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): in favor? That carries.

[2:27:55] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee amend Bylaw No. 319, cited as Gabriel Island Land Use Bylaw 1999, Amendment No. 1, 2024, as follows.

[2:28:06] Trustee Elliott: All those.

[2:28:07] Voice 9: Schedule 1, Section 2, Subsection 2.1 is amended by removing Lot B, Plan VIP50373, Section 19, District 32,

[2:28:18] Voice 9: and

[2:28:18] Trustee Elliott: replacing it with Lot B, Section 19, Gabriola Island, Nanaimo District, Plan VIP60373.

[2:28:27] Trustee Elliott: Sorry, second.

[2:28:28] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Elliott, any discussion?

[2:28:30] Trustee Elliott: All in the vote.

[2:28:31] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[2:28:32] Trustee Elliott: That carries.

[2:28:33] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriela Island

[2:28:36] Voice 9: Local Trust Committee bylaw number 319, cited as Gabriela Island land is bylaw 1999, amendment number 1, 2024, be

[2:28:45] Trustee Elliott: read a first time as amended.

[2:28:47] Trustee Elliott: Second.

[2:28:47] Trustee Elliott: So, Magistrate Elliott, any discussion?

[2:28:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor?

[2:28:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): That carries too.

[2:28:54] Trustee Elliott: So, I'll read out the one that we've proposed.

[2:28:57] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Local Trust Committee request staff consider amending language in

[2:29:07] Trustee Elliott: proposed by-laws for GBRZ 2022.1 to ensure that the housing density is tied to the commercial

[2:29:18] Trustee Elliott: redevelopment of the property in the future prior to any further readings.

[2:29:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): Before we second, I'll look to staff if that works.

[2:29:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, then. Is there a second? Second by Trustee

[2:29:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yates. Any discussion? All the vote? All those in favor? That carries.

[2:29:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, so thank you very much today. On to the next steps on this. And with that, we're going to take a break now.

[2:29:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): right at one o'clock on the nose so uh 30 minutes is that the plan

[2:29:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): 30 minutes yeah so 30 minute break

[2:59:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay. I'm going to call the meeting back to order after our lunch break. Thank you, everyone.

[2:59:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): We are at item 9.1 on the agenda. This is a development permit.

[3:00:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): center stage holding page 31. uh we have a staff report could that be planner um

[3:00:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): over to you thank

[3:00:13] Trustee Elliott: you so this is the development permit application that you'll see

[3:00:22] Trustee Elliott: other times for your consideration of issuance so we're simply reintroducing

[3:00:31] Trustee Elliott: your consideration for the D6,

[3:00:34] Trustee Elliott: steep slopes development area in anticipation of subdivision

[3:00:39] Trustee Elliott: of this application. You've received the preliminary letter of approval, a review

[3:00:43] Trustee Elliott: from the Ministry of Transportation for this file

[3:00:46] Trustee Elliott: and the full comprehensive list of conditions

[3:00:50] Trustee Elliott: that the applicant is subject to for subdivision of this particular

[3:00:54] Trustee Elliott: parcel. One of those conditions, the only

[3:00:58] Trustee Elliott: one remaining for the stress portion uh being issuance of any relevant development permit area

[3:01:05] Trustee Elliott: which this is the sole application the applicant's proposing to do selective clearing of trees

[3:01:14] Trustee Elliott: on some of the lots and the very small portion of those areas are steeper than 80

[3:01:21] Trustee Elliott: 80% slope, which is where the steep slopes DPA is applicable and their tree removal plan just for clarity in terms of the number of trees that are proposed to be removed is not within the 80% or greater steep slopes area that is for the, in its entirety, the areas of B and D of their forest stand type classification that's in your package.

[3:01:47] Trustee Elliott: so there was some public correspondence around that and we just wanted to clarify that those were

[3:01:54] Trustee Elliott: the maximum number of potential trees to be removed and the applicants indicated that's not

[3:02:00] Trustee Elliott: necessarily the case of what's going to be conducted that's why they sought out permission

[3:02:06] Trustee Elliott: for this and only a small portion of tree removal is actually within the dp6 the rest are

[3:02:13] Trustee Elliott: unregulated, unprotected, not subject to the conditions of this climate for clarity.

[3:02:20] Trustee Elliott: So you've already identified that this particular steep slope development permit area is also

[3:02:24] Trustee Elliott: subject to renew and review in the future as part of the larger compliance of OCP LEG would be

[3:02:30] Trustee Elliott: focused to address some of those things around inadequate guidelines for tree protection.

[3:02:38] Trustee Elliott: So the attachments are the same as you've seen before in terms of the site context and that

[3:02:45] Trustee Elliott: the draft permit. I'm here to answer any questions that you might have about this.

[3:02:49] Trustee Elliott: Staff met with the Rights and Title Department of Sunnybrook yesterday for a

[3:02:54] Trustee Elliott: number of related matters, including this referral for subdivision, which is tied

[3:03:00] Trustee Elliott: to this development permit area, and they are aware that they are reconsidering

[3:03:04] Trustee Elliott: issuance of this permit because it does comply with the guidelines of your

[3:03:08] Trustee Elliott: official community plan, and that the focus is on the actual conditions of

[3:03:12] Trustee Elliott: subdivision at this time, which are not part of this consideration

[3:03:17] Trustee Elliott: of the development permit area. That's a second matter. We've

[3:03:20] Trustee Elliott: already responded to the provincial Proving Officer on

[3:03:23] Trustee Elliott: the subdivision. So the LTC focuses just on the whether or

[3:03:28] Trustee Elliott: not you concur with the staff recommendation that was DP does

[3:03:31] Trustee Elliott: comply with your guidelines and must be issued. And staff will

[3:03:37] Trustee Elliott: continue to work with the province and any related matters

[3:03:42] Trustee Elliott: related to the subdivision

[3:03:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): trustee so the applicant is not with us today is that right

[3:03:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): any questions for staff um

[3:03:58] Trustee Elliott: first

[3:03:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): go ahead trustee

[3:04:00] Voice 8: so

[3:04:01] Trustee Elliott: the the applicant did send in a letter which

[3:04:05] Trustee Elliott: i had a chance to read and they wanted to clarify that there was

[3:04:09] Trustee Elliott: the matter of the species at risk the recorded rookery um on the property um so the letter says

[3:04:19] Trustee Elliott: that there has been no activity the rookery has been abandoned um is that true to the best

[3:04:26] Trustee Elliott: of our knowledge we don't we don't know what was part of this development area as well in terms of

[3:04:31] Trustee Elliott: the applicant's provision of information we have to consider that they've made every effort to

[3:04:39] Trustee Elliott: identify any issues or relevant concerns that we need to consider. There are no guidelines

[3:04:44] Trustee Elliott: specific to that for the steep slope CPA environment. As

[3:04:49] Trustee Elliott: far as the subdivision,

[3:04:50] Trustee Elliott: if there are any federal or provincial species at risk that are identified, that's part and

[3:04:57] Trustee Elliott: parcel of our subdivision referral to the Conventional Proving Officer to follow through.

[3:05:03] Trustee Elliott: and so if I can keep asking questions um so we've had heard from a number of members of the public

[3:05:13] Trustee Elliott: today and did letters um I've received some letters that were personal not part of the

[3:05:19] Trustee Elliott: correspondence um there is a lot of concern about the ecological um values and the rare

[3:05:29] Trustee Elliott: dry steep slope Douglas fir ecosystem there but I guess just for clarity we

[3:05:38] Trustee Elliott: should point out and reiterate that our steep slope development permit does not

[3:05:44] Trustee Elliott: protect or cover anything except development downstream from hazardous

[3:05:53] Trustee Elliott: conditions. So yeah, there are no protections for the forest on that lot.

[3:06:05] Trustee Elliott: No, not under the current OCP in Landy Fall.

[3:06:08] Trustee Elliott: And we did hear questions about, well, considering where our OCP is going, can we not retroactively

[3:06:16] Trustee Elliott: or put some protections in place now at this point? Could you please explain from a planning

[3:06:23] Trustee Elliott: perspective or maybe from a legislative perspective what stage we're at in the process and

[3:06:29] Trustee Elliott: um why that would or would not be possible yeah so in short applications received the bylaws that

[3:06:38] Trustee Elliott: are in effect at the time that the application is stamped and received by our offices the bylaws

[3:06:43] Trustee Elliott: that are used for the analysis of the application if you had bylaws pending post public hearing in

[3:06:50] Trustee Elliott: process, you may have issued a resolution that you wanted to have more frame on the consideration

[3:06:56] Trustee Elliott: of any files until those files are adopted, but you're nowhere near readings of an amended OCP

[3:07:02] Trustee Elliott: or land use file that contemplates a development permit area provided, for example. So that's

[3:07:08] Trustee Elliott: completely premature to cause consideration of all files until your OCP is adopted. It's just

[3:07:18] Trustee Elliott: not feasible at this stage we're obligated to process applications based on the bylaws that

[3:07:23] Trustee Elliott: are valid and in effect at this point but as you get closer you may just determine that there's

[3:07:30] Trustee Elliott: significant impact with the new proposed bylaws that are being considered on applications coming

[3:07:37] Trustee Elliott: forward and that you want those to be suspended until the adoption is pending where it's so close

[3:07:42] Trustee Elliott: in nature and time that you want those to be held in advance until those bylaws are considered for

[3:07:47] Trustee Elliott: adoption but that's something that we can accept it's a broader yeah but

[3:07:53] Trustee Elliott: that's not mentioned that

[3:07:54] Trustee Elliott: couldn't have been done here because it's only the development permit that we're considering

[3:07:58] Trustee Elliott: we're not drafting new bylaws no and we don't have a new dpa for example that identifies this parcel

[3:08:04] Trustee Elliott: as potentially subject to it could in the future you could still have a development permit area in

[3:08:09] Trustee Elliott: the future and future development to guide the subdivision of the parcel if there's any further

[3:08:15] Trustee Elliott: further construction on this lot, and there's a future DPA applied to it, the protection

[3:08:20] Trustee Elliott: biodiversity for example, then any new construction of dwellings, accessory buildings, vegetation

[3:08:27] Trustee Elliott: removal could be subject to those guidelines in the future. But that doesn't exist currently,

[3:08:32] Trustee Elliott: so this is strictly for the purposes of sub-dividing the lot that the tree removal is contemplated.

[3:08:40] Trustee Elliott: and subdivision is subject to all those conditions

[3:08:44] Trustee Elliott: that you received as part of the committee.

[3:08:48] Trustee Elliott: Mr. Yates?

[3:08:53] Voice 9: So, kind of a question.

[3:08:56] Voice 9: In the background, the first paragraph,

[3:09:00] Voice 9: the applicant is proposing select tree removal

[3:09:03] Voice 9: within the areas of DP6

[3:09:05] Voice 9: to prepare the parcel for subdivision.

[3:09:09] Voice 9: do we do we use that phrase to prepare the parcel for subdivision do you always have to remove trees

[3:09:18] Voice 9: if you're just preparing for subdivision or are you removing trees for other reasons

[3:09:26] Trustee Elliott: so in some cases it's the siting of infrastructure for lots that you're contemplating so it could be

[3:09:33] Trustee Elliott: driveway access from a new road access it could be for machinery to come onto the site for well

[3:09:40] Trustee Elliott: drilling for proof of water requirements as a condition of subdivision. Perk testing for septic

[3:09:47] Trustee Elliott: is allowing access to potential lots for those studies to be conducted and if there isn't

[3:09:56] Trustee Elliott: vehicular access for machinery and equipment then usually that is the conduit for tree removal to

[3:10:03] Trustee Elliott: begin with and then it's unfortunately use case are also a significant portion of consideration

[3:10:09] Trustee Elliott: as part of subdivisions.

[3:10:10] Trustee Elliott: If these lots have developable sites

[3:10:13] Trustee Elliott: that have already been identified as

[3:10:15] Voice 13: suitable

[3:10:16] Trustee Elliott: for single family dwellings,

[3:10:19] Trustee Elliott: those view skates being cleared prior to the sale

[3:10:22] Trustee Elliott: of those lots is typically also where we see

[3:10:24] Trustee Elliott: vegetation removal and management intensified.

[3:10:29] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for

[3:10:29] Voice 9: that, Senator Zipanets.

[3:10:31] Voice 9: And then my only other comment,

[3:10:33] Voice 9: which is I really want to thank you

[3:10:35] Voice 9: for reiterating the DP guidelines and the last sentence is this development permit area does

[3:10:44] Voice 9: not contain any guidelines to protect steep slope

[3:10:48] Trustee Elliott: ecosystems trees and understory vegetation

[3:10:51] Trustee Elliott: which are some of the rarest terrestrial habitats in the trust and I really appreciate your saying

[3:10:59] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[3:11:03] Trustee Elliott: So can we refer to the PLA at all in this conversation, which is not public information?

[3:11:11] Trustee Elliott: After the consideration of the DP, I'm sure you can.

[3:11:14] Trustee Elliott: Yep.

[3:11:15] Trustee Elliott: I mean, you have an applications log, that subdivision referral is still part of that

[3:11:19] Trustee Elliott: on your agenda package.

[3:11:20] Trustee Elliott: So if you have questions about the subdivision application, that's the most appropriate time

[3:11:24] Trustee Elliott: to discuss the PLA.

[3:11:26] Trustee Elliott: It's nothing to do with the DPA necessarily, other than this is a condition of the PLA.

[3:11:31] Trustee Elliott: mm

[3:11:33] Voice 13: -hmm so

[3:11:35] Trustee Elliott: any other conditions that you wish to discuss if i i can ascertain whether that's

[3:11:40] Trustee Elliott: appropriate but

[3:11:41] Voice 12: after

[3:11:42] Trustee Elliott: consideration yeah

[3:11:44] Voice 12: i

[3:11:45] Voice 10: do have questions about that

[3:11:46] Voice 10: well just one other comment about you know the dp

[3:11:55] Trustee Elliott: all

[3:11:56] Voice 8: the

[3:11:58] Voice 9: dps really um that were put together decades ago for the most part and you know

[3:12:04] Voice 9: before we even considered the dramatic effects of climate

[3:12:08] Trustee Elliott: change and so this is where when you look

[3:12:11] Trustee Elliott: at the requirements that have certainly been met that they they're just globally inadequate

[3:12:19] Trustee Elliott: at this time

[3:12:20] Voice 9: but we can't do anything about that retroactively yeah well

[3:12:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i'll ask a question

[3:12:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): because i know you guys have been seen it twice before i did follow your last meeting believe it

[3:12:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): or not when you had this um i know that so there is archaeological significance on the site and

[3:12:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): read the reports there's references to burials um thousands of years old uh in the permit we make

[3:12:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): reference to the fact that um you know any further development may require a development permit we

[3:13:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): also make reference to this is not a building permit could we not make reference that this is

[3:13:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know the to the i assume an archaeological or heritage permit from the province or some

[3:13:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): reference to the heritage permit from the province um could we not make reference to that in the

[3:13:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): actual permit document like on page 40.

[3:13:29] Voice 9: okay like around number five similar

[3:13:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): to that aspect because

[3:13:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): i assume they will need a you know a heritage permit at

[3:13:40] Trustee Elliott: this point the applicants indicated

[3:13:41] Trustee Elliott: there's no plan to remove trees from any of the recorded arc sites or the buffer areas which are

[3:13:50] Trustee Elliott: are not commented, you know, outside of those areas, they're

[3:13:54] Trustee Elliott: well aware of the location of those that wasn't the intention

[3:13:57] Trustee Elliott: was to do any tree removal or vegetation management in those

[3:14:01] Trustee Elliott: areas at this time. And that they would be subject to

[3:14:06] Trustee Elliott: parentage alteration permit if that would be the case. So

[3:14:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's what I thought if we could reference at least

[3:14:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): reference that permitted are so

[3:14:16] Trustee Elliott: the other approvals necessary

[3:14:18] Trustee Elliott: for completion of the proposed development sort of captures that. That's the last sentence

[3:14:22] Trustee Elliott: of Section 5. Typically development permits, there's standard language referencing building

[3:14:29] Trustee Elliott: permits because they dovetail almost always. So the catchphrase, and to obtain other approvals

[3:14:38] Trustee Elliott: necessary for completion of the proposed development, inherently implies that there may be numerous

[3:14:43] Trustee Elliott: as other approvals from the province or even the federal government if it was um for sure related

[3:14:50] Trustee Elliott: um however if you wanted to make an amendment to specify can we

[3:14:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): say like including but not limited

[3:14:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): to and say you see her i just thought it might help by at least having reference to our permit

[3:15:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): to that well

[3:15:08] Trustee Elliott: how can we add criteria to our criteria of the permit i don't understand that

[3:15:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's not criteria it's just it's referencing that there may be other permits we're not we're not

[3:15:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're not authorizing this permit basically does not authorize them to not meet any other permit

[3:15:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): you could have a stacking of permits essentially on the property oh

[3:15:37] Trustee Elliott: okay like future

[3:15:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, other permits that are required to do this work, that what they're trying to do.

[3:15:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Other approvals.

[3:15:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): Other approvals.

[3:15:46] Trustee Elliott: Necessary for completion of the proposed dwelling.

[3:15:48] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[3:15:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): Because of the archaeological significance, being able to at least list that one.

[3:15:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Not that it's the provinces is a great process, but it does exist.

[3:16:02] Trustee Elliott: It, you know, that entire second portion of 5 is really for the benefit of the permit

[3:16:09] Trustee Elliott: holder to be aware.

[3:16:10] Trustee Elliott: Yep.

[3:16:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): HAB

[3:16:11] Trustee Elliott: -Masyn Moyer- Exactly

[3:16:11] Trustee Elliott: strongly that, in this case, but this particular permit holder, you wanted to specify that.

[3:16:17] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- You, they have to comply with all of the requirements that Gabriel landis by law provincial heritage conservation act and all other approvals necessary for completion, then just you can

[3:16:28] Trustee Elliott: pass that resolution to amend the draft permit without language, we will do that for this permit only.

[3:16:34] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- And consider whether you're ready to issue.

[3:16:42] Trustee Elliott: I just think it would help me feel better.

[3:16:47] Trustee Elliott: And was the word necessary?

[3:16:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, she just said after the requirements

[3:16:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the Gabriel Land Use Bylaw 1999 comma

[3:16:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): and BC Heritage Conservation Act

[3:17:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): and other approvals or something like that.

[3:17:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's probably it.

[3:17:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): That needs some language working,

[3:17:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): but

[3:17:08] Voice 13: that's

[3:17:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): what I heard.

[3:17:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Elliott.

[3:17:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): What else?

[3:17:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): you're thinking here you know how

[3:17:19] Voice 12: many times i do

[3:17:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): have another general question sorry i

[3:17:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): been reading all the technical reports that are attached and i know we have a professional

[3:17:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): reliance model and the professional reports in the limited liability sections of those reports

[3:17:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): they're very clear that they're only preparing a report for the client and no one else can rely on

[3:17:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): And

[3:17:44] Voice 13: a

[3:17:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): professional reliance model, shouldn't those clients be requiring their consultants to add further, you know, give us permission to rely on the report within those limited liability clauses?

[3:18:03] Trustee Elliott: Am I familiar with how that might play out?

[3:18:07] Trustee Elliott: Some advice from our manager on whether or not that's something that we need to apply to every application because it's a standard.

[3:18:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's the standard

[3:18:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): blah blah that's at the end

[3:18:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I do know they can be asked to

[3:18:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): provide specific

[3:18:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): reliance on other parts

[3:18:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): we want to be able to rely on these

[3:18:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): reports as well

[3:18:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): do

[3:18:30] Voice 10: you agree with the chair? I don't have anything

[3:18:32] Voice 10: more to

[3:18:33] Voice 10: add to that

[3:18:34] Voice 10: but

[3:18:36] Trustee Elliott: we wouldn't necessarily involve more

[3:18:38] Trustee Elliott: consideration about processes

[3:18:40] Trustee Elliott: and what to ask for

[3:18:42] Trustee Elliott: from professional

[3:18:45] Trustee Elliott: professional reports so I think that seems to be a little bit

[3:18:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's a broader issue but I think

[3:18:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): I can bring that up with CEO because it's an interesting question something

[3:18:58] Trustee Elliott: that we can we

[3:18:59] Trustee Elliott: can discuss through the process yeah the bigger application process we don't have any input on

[3:19:08] Trustee Elliott: electric application though. How does it or? Well this LTC will have no more input in this

[3:19:16] Trustee Elliott: particular parcel in the future because we have nothing to do with the subdivision.

[3:19:23] Trustee Elliott: Correct so your question was the professional reliance of what does that cover and you know

[3:19:31] Trustee Elliott: if it's only limited to the owner how is the LTC able to use it?

[3:19:36] Trustee Elliott: We haven't contemplated that particular lens or perspective, so I couldn't help intending

[3:19:49] Voice 12: it enough just like that.

[3:19:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Before we have a vote, there's nothing on the floor, no motions on the floor at this time.

[3:20:05] Voice 10: There is just no good way to do it.

[3:20:12] Trustee Elliott: So this is essentially the last pin of influence that this LTC has.

[3:20:17] Trustee Elliott: we have no more input on this process. Once we approve issuance of this permit,

[3:20:23] Trustee Elliott: this LTC has no effect on a process that will solely be between MOTC, the

[3:20:30] Trustee Elliott: landowners, and Sonoma First Nation.

[3:20:33] Trustee Elliott: Prior to referral response and submitter,

[3:20:36] Trustee Elliott: our conditions were outlined. This is the one condition of that subdivision referral.

[3:20:42] Trustee Elliott: They adhere to the density, lot, window lot 5, maximum number of lots, and all

[3:20:48] Trustee Elliott: other aspects of your land use by law.

[3:20:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): And you also had in your referral response that you didn't

[3:20:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it was in the public interest. Yeah. So that's on record. Correct.

[3:20:57] Trustee Elliott: So the Provincial

[3:20:58] Trustee Elliott: Proving Officer has all that information, has received it, and is in contact with all parties

[3:21:09] Trustee Elliott: to determine next steps. And the conditions are the onus is on the applicant to fulfill

[3:21:14] Trustee Elliott: to fulfill all those conditions.

[3:21:19] Trustee Elliott: But the public is not aware.

[3:21:22] Trustee Elliott: No, the applicant has the right to

[3:21:25] Trustee Elliott: negotiate with the province on those

[3:21:27] Trustee Elliott: conditions and the timing of those

[3:21:29] Trustee Elliott: conditions and the release of those

[3:21:30] Trustee Elliott: conditions through FOI if needed, I guess.

[3:21:34] Trustee Elliott: But no, we don't disclose someone

[3:21:36] Trustee Elliott: else's application with another agency.

[3:21:40] Trustee Elliott: So it would be up to them to do that.

[3:21:42] Trustee Elliott: And it's a high level of sensitive

[3:21:44] Trustee Elliott: information around some of these

[3:21:46] Trustee Elliott: conditions as well that are directly related to the nation's interests so the province and the

[3:21:51] Trustee Elliott: nation are having their own process to discuss how those conditions might be best met but the

[3:21:59] Trustee Elliott: applicant has to choose to proceed with meeting those conditions in the first place are you

[3:22:05] Trustee Elliott: confident that's the name is apprised of is being consulted meaningfully um to the best of your

[3:22:20] Trustee Elliott: knowledge through MOTI's process. They offered that to the chairman. I know we're mindful to

[3:22:29] Trustee Elliott: not talk about the subdivision, so this

[3:22:32] Trustee Elliott: is heading a little bit closer to that, but we can answer

[3:22:36] Trustee Elliott: some of those questions after. Yes, but approving this, our criteria that they have met with steep

[3:22:49] Trustee Elliott: steep slopes mean the path is open for subdivision and honestly we have been holding on to this to

[3:22:56] Trustee Elliott: make sure that all the other parts have the full consultation and consent of Sanemok that's why

[3:23:06] Trustee Elliott: it's important that's why we held off the process so that we could deliver a recommendation to Moti

[3:23:13] Trustee Elliott: on the subdivision in tandem before we consider this steep salt permit, the two are tied.

[3:23:22] Trustee Elliott: We have no influence over it other than to give that recommendation, which MOTI has not

[3:23:29] Trustee Elliott: taken, really.

[3:23:34] Voice 8: We don't know, sorry, I was going

[3:23:38] Voice 8: to say that MOTI has not made a final determination.

[3:23:41] Voice 8: nation so we know they got

[3:23:43] Trustee Elliott: it we we absolutely know they got it and you know i i can only hope

[3:23:49] Trustee Elliott: that they read every word of our concerns when they got it um and i think we we have to take

[3:24:00] Trustee Elliott: some for the one thing they got it a long time ago they've had a good time to read through it

[3:24:07] Trustee Elliott: and I think more importantly what you've reiterated is important however they're

[3:24:16] Trustee Elliott: dealing directly with the nation who have the breadth and the depth of the knowledge and

[3:24:21] Trustee Elliott: understanding of how the best made forward so that you echo that is wonderful but they are

[3:24:26] Trustee Elliott: working with the nation whether that's effective I can't speak to that yeah

[3:24:29] Voice 12: and

[3:24:30] Trustee Elliott: you have told us

[3:24:31] Trustee Elliott: that in writing yeah i certainly appreciate it

[3:24:35] Voice 6: all

[3:24:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): right um do we want to can we work on that

[3:24:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): amended wording that doesn't prove

[3:24:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): anything yet um i'll look to staff we were talking about adding

[3:24:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): reference to the pc heritage if we could work on that maybe you

[3:24:59] Trustee Elliott: could pass the regulation to draft

[3:25:01] Trustee Elliott: the draft for amendment first and then consider recommendation number one in the stock report

[3:25:06] Trustee Elliott: to issue the front that's amended that would be the sequence right

[3:25:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): now um so can you work with the

[3:25:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): work with staff and um lisa on an amendment are you okay with making

[3:25:19] Trustee Elliott: that amendment absolutely

[3:25:20] Trustee Elliott: yeah we

[3:25:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): work on the language of it i i move well

[3:25:24] Trustee Elliott: where's where i'm sure we can work it through

[3:25:28] Trustee Elliott: that's the local trust committee gabriella local trust committee request staff to or just revise

[3:25:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): revise the permit

[3:25:37] Voice 9: with this application permit dp 20 21.1 so that under number five

[3:25:47] Voice 9: that sentence reads this permit is not a building permit and does not remove any

[3:25:55] Trustee Elliott: publication on the part of the permittee to comply with all other requirements of gabriel

[3:26:01] Trustee Elliott: on the land use bylaw number 177,

[3:26:04] Voice 9: 1999,

[3:26:07] Voice 9: including requirements of the DC Heritage Conservation Act,

[3:26:13] Voice 9: comma, and to obtain other approvals necessary

[3:26:16] Voice 9: for completion

[3:26:17] Trustee Elliott: of the proposed development.

[3:26:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's before that second and let's look at the wording

[3:26:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): of that resolution, make sure it's.

[3:26:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm just gonna through the chair ask

[3:26:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): ask if

[3:26:30] Trustee Elliott: we need to insert into my sentence or just what is being added so can you just clarify

[3:26:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah yeah so it's a way to add words add words after like 1999 and then in parenthesis in

[3:26:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): in quotes

[3:26:48] Trustee Elliott: the bc heritage conservation act and that's all we're adding and the rest of it

[3:26:58] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, that's good.

[3:27:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): Does that stop?

[3:27:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Please, thank you.

[3:27:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): The Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee revised

[3:27:07] Voice 8: permit GEDB 2021.1 number 5

[3:27:14] Voice 8: to add words after 1999 quotation and the BC Heritage Conservation Act.

[3:27:23] Trustee Elliott: Did you want to say number 5?

[3:27:25] Trustee Elliott: Like just to make sure you get to the right section quickly?

[3:27:28] Trustee Elliott: Or does it matter?

[3:27:29] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:27:33] Voice 8: will read it again, but I haven't.

[3:27:35] Voice 8: The McGivriel Island Local Trust Committee revised the permit GBDP

[3:27:39] Trustee Elliott: 2021.1, number 5,

[3:27:42] Trustee Elliott: to add words after 1999, quotation, and the BC

[3:27:47] Voice 8: Heritage Conservation Act.

[3:27:49] Voice 8: Great, thank you.

[3:27:50] Voice 8: Is there a second?

[3:27:51] Trustee Elliott: Not yet.

[3:27:53] Voice 8: Wording on that motion?

[3:27:55] Trustee Elliott: Because I have a question about completion of the proposed development at the bottom.

[3:28:03] Trustee Elliott: If the current proposal is not approved or doesn't move forward,

[3:28:13] Trustee Elliott: issuing this permit still allows any proposed development to proceed?

[3:28:22] Trustee Elliott: I would say it can't be subdivided.

[3:28:29] Trustee Elliott: They still have the permit, right?

[3:28:32] Trustee Elliott: To remove the trees in accordance

[3:28:34] Trustee Elliott: with this plan.

[3:28:35] Trustee Elliott: Correct.

[3:28:36] Trustee Elliott: In accordance with this plan.

[3:28:38] Trustee Elliott: What's been submitted as part of the permit is the plan

[3:28:40] Trustee Elliott: for the selective tree removal in those blocks B and D, correct?

[3:28:45] Trustee Elliott: So any other, they're aware that any other works

[3:28:48] Trustee Elliott: within that steep slopes DPA would need a whole new application

[3:28:52] Trustee Elliott: either it's driveway or any excavation

[3:28:57] Trustee Elliott: or totally unrelated to the subdivision application

[3:29:01] Trustee Elliott: but just property development. That is my question.

[3:29:05] Trustee Elliott: They would be subject to a new DPA application. So it's important

[3:29:09] Trustee Elliott: that's the proposed development and not any proposed development for this particular application

[3:29:14] Trustee Elliott: that's just the trees being removed in these locations potentially up to that volume of tree

[3:29:20] Trustee Elliott: no other works are authorized under this permit so it's tied to a subdivision layout of course

[3:29:33] Trustee Elliott: that was the impetus for the removal but it's anyone can apply they can apply for

[3:29:40] Trustee Elliott: another permit with those other works that they were proposing but they wouldn't i'm sorry but i'm

[3:29:47] Trustee Elliott: slow they wouldn't need another permit because we've already issued the development permit

[3:29:51] Trustee Elliott: for other takes of work so if there wasn't like i said

[3:29:55] Trustee Elliott: there was any kind of excavation of material in that state

[3:30:00] Trustee Elliott: area for the purposes of, I say, a new access road, they would need to reapply or amend this to say, actually, the geotech report now is contemplating this swath, 66-foot swath for driveway access or road access in this location.

[3:30:19] Trustee Elliott: And they would

[3:30:20] Trustee Elliott: need to either amend this or just reapply for a new one.

[3:30:28] Trustee Elliott: I know for a degree for development for this particular case it's true removal and it's linked to application.

[3:30:37] Trustee Elliott: But they could just do the tree removal without a submission application right that's not the fact that it's linked to a subversion application is important.

[3:30:45] Trustee Elliott: important because it justifies this those land alterations justifies in the sense of there's a

[3:30:53] Trustee Elliott: reason for this work to be conducted and that is my whole problem with this the sub this permit

[3:31:00] Trustee Elliott: justifies allowing the subdivision to proceed and we still don't know whether that's a

[3:31:07] Voice 13: going

[3:31:08] Voice 10: to happen and i just i strongly

[3:31:14] Trustee Elliott: believe that this ltc is still complicit

[3:31:17] Trustee Elliott: because we didn't have a conversation about removing those densities in light of the incredibly

[3:31:23] Trustee Elliott: sensitive cultural heritage sites that we know are there. That's why I wanted to talk about

[3:31:29] Trustee Elliott: subdivision, but that's...

[3:31:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): I hear your concerns. We got a motion on the floor that just adds

[3:31:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): reference to the BC Heritage Conservation Act. Let's address that. Are you willing to second

[3:31:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): that one yeah okay so let me try seconded by trustee elliott any discussion i'll call a vote

[3:31:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): all those in favor and that carries and

[3:32:06] Trustee Elliott: thank you for that suggestion chair patrick

[3:32:08] Voice 7: came

[3:32:10] Trustee Elliott: to me last

[3:32:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): because i i'm just gonna say i that was one of my first questions too it was like what happened you

[3:32:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): know is this tied to the subdivision what if subdivision is not approved can they continue

[3:32:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): to cut trees anyway and

[3:32:32] Trustee Elliott: and that is the thing it's it's tree clearing to prepare for subdivision that

[3:32:40] Trustee Elliott: is not yet approved there's a whole host of conditions and again we see this application

[3:32:48] Trustee Elliott: as the first in many criteria that must be satisfied for that subdivision to go ahead

[3:32:55] Trustee Elliott: and i'm just not in agreement this should be the first thing passed i think it's the easiest one

[3:33:03] Trustee Elliott: and it could come last once we know actually the subdivision is happening and the name is

[3:33:09] Trustee Elliott: on board with it and they have given consent that's why we deferred and delayed and we asked

[3:33:17] Trustee Elliott: questions of of whether issuing this would compromise the um because it essentially gives

[3:33:26] Trustee Elliott: permission like it removes any enforcement from that lot now you can start tree cutting now you

[3:33:32] Trustee Elliott: can put driveways in whether you have subdivision approval or not can't put drivers in you can only

[3:33:39] Trustee Elliott: do what exactly what it says in this just 1900 trees yeah i know i get it which is why i my very

[3:33:48] Trustee Elliott: first question to you was to prepare the car self for subdivision maybe maybe not that's right and

[3:33:56] Trustee Elliott: the way that land development applications like this get processed in the province of British

[3:34:01] Trustee Elliott: Columbia is unless you have other tools in place an applicant can come forward with an application

[3:34:10] Trustee Elliott: that meets your guidelines to do and make alterations to the land with or without an

[3:34:15] Trustee Elliott: accompanying subdivision application. If it meets those guidelines the permit must be issued

[3:34:20] Trustee Elliott: and your permit guidelines are as you can see very limited in scope

[3:34:24] Trustee Elliott: scope since there's no risk to the steep slope the permit has to be issued in theory because of its

[3:34:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): alignment with the guidelines and my question so this area these two areas that if they're not

[3:34:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): needing to access to dig septic things or drill wells or build driveways then why couldn't we

[3:34:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): make it subject to subdivision approval if this is just view scapes that

[3:34:56] Trustee Elliott: was the whole point that

[3:34:57] Trustee Elliott: it would be subject

[3:34:58] Trustee Elliott: to subdivision approval could

[3:34:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): we not add that condition the subdivision approval

[3:35:02] Trustee Elliott: can't be obtained unless the conditions are met so if a provincial proving office there will wait

[3:35:08] Trustee Elliott: for the applicants to confirm that they have received no i

[3:35:13] Trustee Elliott: understand that but could we

[3:35:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): issue we can issue the permit with this but it's the trees can't be cut the actions can't occur

[3:35:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): until after subdivision approval we can't do that sounds

[3:35:26] Trustee Elliott: like a great idea though just makes sense

[3:35:29] Trustee Elliott: to me of course it does of course it does um yeah i mean it's a great question because it's not it's

[3:35:38] Trustee Elliott: not

[3:35:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): stopping the subdivision no but

[3:35:40] Trustee Elliott: the but the applicant's ability to meet the other conditions

[3:35:44] Trustee Elliott: may require again these alterations that they're proposing to be conducted because it could be

[3:35:54] Trustee Elliott: providing access for vehicles to conduct these other investigations to meet those conditions so

[3:36:04] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure if that's an option

[3:36:07] Voice 13: to

[3:36:09] Trustee Elliott: add a condition to the permit that this work can commence

[3:36:15] Trustee Elliott: only after the subdivision's been registered that would be ideal because that would solve

[3:36:23] Trustee Elliott: we've heard issues

[3:36:25] Trustee Elliott: so many times that it's not just about the cultural sites it's the trees

[3:36:30] Trustee Elliott: themselves elder joe dean asked which trees are being cut is it arbutus there are important trees

[3:36:35] Trustee Elliott: there the whole area is sacred and so to approve and to permit what did you call it was um

[3:36:49] Trustee Elliott: modification but to permit the work to go ahead and then for whatever reason if negotiations

[3:36:58] Trustee Elliott: between moatee and the landowner result in the subdivision not being approved or being

[3:37:06] Trustee Elliott: dramatically altered all that tree removal is is for nothing and i realize we're holding this back

[3:37:20] Trustee Elliott: so that we can ask the right questions as the name is able to give their full

[3:37:26] Trustee Elliott: consent to this plan which we don't have the authority well we can only give

[3:37:34] Trustee Elliott: recommendations but I would be so grieved to

[3:37:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): well could we ask for further

[3:37:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): information about putting that required that clause in being able to approve the

[3:37:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): permit, but work can't commence until I

[3:38:01] Trustee Elliott: would need to see the

[3:38:02] Trustee Elliott: goal advice to answer that question. I'm

[3:38:04] Trustee Elliott: familiar with the

[3:38:06] Trustee Elliott: condition and the development permit stages. I mean, we've

[3:38:09] Trustee Elliott: got this timing window from the tree on the wall to the

[3:38:12] Trustee Elliott: migratory burrow and protection regulation.

[3:38:15] Trustee Elliott: No,

[3:38:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): they can't cut until August 16. Anyway,

[3:38:20] Trustee Elliott: and then we might be on shutdown.

[3:38:22] Trustee Elliott: shut down fire shut down shut

[3:38:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): down fire oh fire shut down yeah so that we're in the the bird nesting

[3:38:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): window now they can't cut so could we not request that further permission through

[3:38:42] Trustee Elliott: the chair i um

[3:38:44] Trustee Elliott: what um what planners have been at kind of said about seeking some legal advice

[3:38:49] Trustee Elliott: I would echo that because I've seen a tree cutting by law established that would be another land use authority mechanism to what you're speaking of.

[3:39:04] Trustee Elliott: We don't have, Give Railroad does not have that.

[3:39:07] Voice 12: So

[3:39:08] Trustee Elliott: without some of those pieces in place, development permit approval to what your guidelines are listing allows that to happen.

[3:39:18] Trustee Elliott: the development permit is a

[3:39:21] Voice 13: only

[3:39:22] Trustee Elliott: gives so much to to move with it

[3:39:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i understand that i'm just

[3:39:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): looking for a trigger and i can i understand her concern what if the subdivision doesn't get

[3:39:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): approved and the

[3:39:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): trees still get cut oh

[3:39:35] Trustee Elliott: this is the issue for every development permit that's part

[3:39:39] Trustee Elliott: of a subdivision right this is the

[3:39:41] Trustee Elliott: case is that there is no inherent clarity that those subdivisions

[3:39:45] Trustee Elliott: are actually going to be approved the dp's are conditional the work can be undertaken

[3:39:49] Trustee Elliott: as soon as the permits issued unless with these other factors in this case the migratory bird

[3:39:54] Trustee Elliott: protection um piece so there has to be other tools that regulate the concerns you're addressing which

[3:40:03] Trustee Elliott: is it's a safety protection stand the trees not being brought down you know prior to that

[3:40:09] Trustee Elliott: justification being actually approved. We don't have any other DPAs to lean on in

[3:40:16] Trustee Elliott: this case to give us those assurances. However, I'm happy to pose the question

[3:40:22] Trustee Elliott: around whether or not the timing of the DPA's authority can coincide with

[3:40:30] Trustee Elliott: another agency's approval and bring that confirmation back to the July meeting if possible.

[3:40:40] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure how we'll see, talk to our manager about seeking advice for an application that is the scope of our day-to-day business, but hopefully we can get clarity for your next meeting.

[3:40:54] Trustee Elliott: And return on the final period of consideration.

[3:40:59] Voice 8: Would that help satisfy?

[3:41:00] Voice 8: Yes,

[3:41:01] Trustee Elliott: because this permit is necessary to cut trees in order to do this for their actions.

[3:41:11] Trustee Elliott: But when I look at the criteria that's come back, this is why I have to talk about them

[3:41:19] Trustee Elliott: together, because it's about where does this fit in the process.

[3:41:22] Trustee Elliott: There's multiple agencies, there's multiple things that must be satisfied.

[3:41:26] Trustee Elliott: This LTC holds one very small piece.

[3:41:30] Trustee Elliott: however it is critical to many things

[3:41:35] Trustee Elliott: including slope stability and if this piece goes first

[3:41:40] Trustee Elliott: and yet none of these other conditions can be met I don't feel we've in the whole

[3:41:49] Trustee Elliott: context is not a good process so I think a resolution from the local trust committee

[3:41:59] Trustee Elliott: the requesting staff to come back to the July meeting with DP application 21.1 and clarity

[3:42:06] Trustee Elliott: on the option to tie the permits authority to proceed with free removal to the ministry

[3:42:14] Trustee Elliott: of transportation's registration of that division yeah

[3:42:16] Voice 13: and

[3:42:18] Trustee Elliott: then whether I need legal advice or not

[3:42:20] Trustee Elliott: I can sort that piece out with

[3:42:24] Voice 8: that person

[3:42:24] Voice 6: yes

[3:42:25] Voice 8: Lisa's been typing away

[3:42:29] Voice 8: Mr. Chair, I need a little more

[3:42:31] Trustee Elliott: details of my help so far is that the Gainesville

[3:42:34] Trustee Elliott: Iowa Local Trust Committee request staff to come back in July

[3:42:39] Voice 8: meeting with clarity on

[3:42:40] Voice 8: options to tie a permits authority to true removal, to tie permits authority to true

[3:42:49] Voice 8: removal approval of subdivision.

[3:42:51] Voice 8: a

[3:42:53] Trustee Elliott: true removal to the

[3:42:54] Trustee Elliott: minister of transportation

[3:42:55] Trustee Elliott: approval and foundation

[3:43:00] Trustee Elliott: so the trigger

[3:43:07] Trustee Elliott: potentially being the registration

[3:43:08] Trustee Elliott: of the plan of subdivision

[3:43:12] Trustee Elliott: from title

[3:43:12] Trustee Elliott: then becomes the trigger

[3:43:15] Trustee Elliott: for a DTE's

[3:43:19] Trustee Elliott: signaling to proceed

[3:43:20] Trustee Elliott: yeah so

[3:43:21] Trustee Elliott: the overall plan gets approved

[3:43:24] Trustee Elliott: and all the elements

[3:43:27] Trustee Elliott: that support that plan

[3:43:28] Trustee Elliott: would then have to be endorsed

[3:43:30] Trustee Elliott: which all the work is done, whether the Local

[3:43:33] Trustee Elliott: Government Act really allows us to be able to do that, right?

[3:43:37] Trustee Elliott: So I hope to be able to give you clarity on that.

[3:43:44] Trustee Elliott: And I'm sorry that we didn't really come forward with that sooner, but we could do that.

[3:43:51] Voice 8: Lisa, could you read that back?

[3:43:54] Voice 8: Certainly. The Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to come back to the July 2025

[3:44:00] Voice 8: local trust committee meeting with clarity on options to tie the permit's authority

[3:44:04] Voice 8: to removal through the Ministry of Transportation and Transit's approval of subdivision.

[3:44:11] Trustee Elliott: Should we clarify the permit, the DP6? Give

[3:44:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): it the note, give it the name, the permit number.

[3:44:19] Trustee Elliott: DP6. Oh,

[3:44:21] Voice 12: it's permit number.

[3:44:24] Voice 12: DP21.1. Thank you.

[3:44:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right will either of you be willing to make that motion trustee elliott is there a second

[3:44:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): second by trustee yates is there any discussion call the vote all those in favor that carries

[3:44:48] Voice 8: so we'll see this again next month is there okay

[3:44:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): if there's any other questions that

[3:44:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): you had another motion that you had been oh yeah i was sent out i

[3:45:04] Trustee Elliott: was working on that um

[3:45:06] Trustee Elliott: Before we get to that, though, the question of the densities on that parcel, everyone's well aware of the swap that put the bylaws in place in 2005.

[3:45:36] Trustee Elliott: The question that I keep being haunted by is in a conversation with the name of leadership was, what have you done about it for 20 years?

[3:45:50] Trustee Elliott: and for that reason we put a project on our future list to explore options to remove those densities

[3:46:00] Trustee Elliott: and we never explored that in part because the landowner had a fairly reasonable question

[3:46:13] Trustee Elliott: which was so do we get the park back how do we resolve this for all parties there is a legal

[3:46:22] Trustee Elliott: instrument to swap Parkland 707 for these for the right to build on this

[3:46:31] Trustee Elliott: property which I still don't consider as a just decision and I still stand with a

[3:46:37] Trustee Elliott: response to Moti that it never should have been subdivided and authorized

[3:46:42] Trustee Elliott: development there and so for two decades we haven't done anything about it can we

[3:46:50] Trustee Elliott: we do anything about it now? Now that Moti has returned with the PLA, is there any conversation

[3:46:59] Trustee Elliott: or options around conversation with them? Sorry, is there any opportunity for a conversation around

[3:47:07] Trustee Elliott: whether those densities should remain? Should they be differently placed? My understanding

[3:47:18] Trustee Elliott: from staff is that no since MOTI has effectively not gone with our recommendation which would be

[3:47:30] Trustee Elliott: to deem this not in the public interest we don't know we don't know

[3:47:34] Trustee Elliott: yet but they don't

[3:47:35] Trustee Elliott: they have not made

[3:47:37] Trustee Elliott: a final there's no final preliminary layout review it's it's a very

[3:47:41] Trustee Elliott: specific stage of the subdivision that has to be issued once the program officer and the district

[3:47:47] Trustee Elliott: checks have reviewed all the information that was determined what are the conditions for the

[3:47:52] Trustee Elliott: subdivision to be approvable and that's all they've received preliminary like overview stage

[3:47:58] Trustee Elliott: plr so that's where they're at final approval is still subject to and you'll recall in that plr

[3:48:06] Trustee Elliott: the conditions can change at any moment right the applicant is really not bound by that document

[3:48:13] Trustee Elliott: in the conditions of

[3:48:14] Voice 13: the

[3:48:15] Trustee Elliott: provincial regulations the status of water requirements septic if those

[3:48:21] Trustee Elliott: things are in flux the provincial approving officer may determine that things to be held

[3:48:26] Trustee Elliott: to a higher standard and the conditions can be altered density minimum lot size

[3:48:32] Trustee Elliott: um number of lots if we were to have bylaws adopted tomorrow that reduce the density on

[3:48:40] Trustee Elliott: Gabriela Island, including this particular parcel, and we notified the approving officer that these

[3:48:47] Trustee Elliott: bylaws have been approved and we would like to revisit our referral response because it would

[3:48:52] Trustee Elliott: no longer be supportive of the same division proposal as originally presented. I'm not sure

[3:48:58] Trustee Elliott: if the approving officer would take that into consideration, the effective date of those bylaws,

[3:49:04] Trustee Elliott: is based on the fact that they have an in-stream application. I'm not sure because they work under

[3:49:12] Trustee Elliott: different authorities than we do and they can deem public interest as a gateway to prevent further

[3:49:22] Trustee Elliott: development. There's an enormous amount of power the provincial early month is there so that hasn't

[3:49:28] Trustee Elliott: been used yet we don't know if that will be applied in this case um it's to be determined

[3:49:37] Trustee Elliott: but even if you had an active application that was post-public hearing with bylaws that were

[3:49:42] Trustee Elliott: reducing density across the island including this parcel i'm not sure that this particular

[3:49:48] Trustee Elliott: application could be prevented from being subdivided what if we had a moratorium on

[3:49:56] Trustee Elliott: home subdivisions active next month by miracle

[3:50:02] Voice 13: how

[3:50:05] Trustee Elliott: would that play into it for what reason through

[3:50:08] Trustee Elliott: the chair for what reason because we're actually having a conversation about growth management and

[3:50:13] Trustee Elliott: density and one of the proposals was removing subdivision potential from the lots that is an

[3:50:19] Trustee Elliott: active conversation with this community and so if we're talking about increasing one type of housing

[3:50:24] Trustee Elliott: and removing subdividable potential from a form of housing that we have a lot of including housing

[3:50:32] Trustee Elliott: that was allocated in inappropriate places on burial sites then a moratorium on subdividable

[3:50:38] Trustee Elliott: properties might result in a different layout for this community that's what the ocp review

[3:50:48] Trustee Elliott: is supposed to do so through the chair there is somewhat a slate of guidance about

[3:50:53] Trustee Elliott: about entering applications with pending bylaw approval,

[3:50:58] Trustee Elliott: and then what you speak of in terms of that idea

[3:51:03] Trustee Elliott: or approach could be more of a separate,

[3:51:10] Trustee Elliott: it's not more legislative.

[3:51:11] Trustee Elliott: It wouldn't come up through legislative,

[3:51:13] Trustee Elliott: it might be more of a LTC desire,

[3:51:16] Trustee Elliott: which you would have to look into the same thoughts.

[3:51:20] Trustee Elliott: I mean, to be able to advise you

[3:51:22] Trustee Elliott: if

[3:51:22] Voice 13: you

[3:51:23] Trustee Elliott: want to consider that.

[3:51:25] Trustee Elliott: i

[3:51:26] Voice 8: think timing i think probably the best and strongest position would be as if this could

[3:51:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): be tied to the approval because i think that's your concern is that you know the tree cutting

[3:51:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): proceeding without an approval of subdivision so if

[3:51:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can do that connection then that at

[3:51:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): least removes that concern well

[3:51:46] Voice 10: i

[3:51:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): i agree

[3:51:48] Voice 10: we're

[3:51:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): giving serious thought through the ocp to future

[3:51:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): arrangements i think we're we're too premature to be able to use the instruments we talked about

[3:51:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): earlier of either you know putting a pause on new applications while we consider this that that is

[3:52:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): something we can do but we need a more mature thing that we're doing before we can impose that

[3:52:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): so we're well it's the time we're in i understand the frustrations well

[3:52:18] Trustee Elliott: it's completely if the

[3:52:19] Trustee Elliott: community have identified totally different values than it did in 1997 when everything was the purview

[3:52:24] Trustee Elliott: of the province don't touch cultural heritage don't put any protections on anything not your

[3:52:29] Trustee Elliott: responsibility and the

[3:52:30] Trustee Elliott: community is now well aware of our collective responsibility towards

[3:52:38] Trustee Elliott: ensuring that the name of cultural heritage is preserved protected along with our own

[3:52:43] Voice 13: so

[3:52:44] Trustee Elliott: So I know this community would welcome that conversation and a pause on all subdivisions

[3:52:50] Trustee Elliott: so that we can evaluate in the context of our values today, where should densities be

[3:52:57] Trustee Elliott: allocated and where should they not?

[3:53:00] Trustee Elliott: So you could request staff to come back for your next OCP major project review report

[3:53:06] Trustee Elliott: to include a provision around the process for that to be undertaken.

[3:53:09] Trustee Elliott: can understand that there would be there need to be clear uh steps to how to not just impose a

[3:53:18] Trustee Elliott: moratorium but notify other agencies that are responsible for approvals that could be

[3:53:25] Trustee Elliott: administrative transportation um that they would have to involve their authority to approve

[3:53:30] Trustee Elliott: applications um because you're not going to allow staff to conduct referrals so would they still be

[3:53:36] Trustee Elliott: be able to authorize like we need to let you know are they still able to authorize subdivisions in

[3:53:41] Trustee Elliott: the absence of referral responses or would they actually be held to honor that request from the

[3:53:48] Trustee Elliott: world trust committee to not pursue it in that time period before that is finalized is that an

[3:53:54] Trustee Elliott: enormous risk that you are going to see a flood of applications being made that are major reactions

[3:54:01] Trustee Elliott: actions to the fear of not being able to simplify that then results in a settlement pattern of

[3:54:06] Trustee Elliott: horrific mathematical proportions versus thoughtful layout settlement that's what

[3:54:13] Trustee Elliott: happened when the island stress act did their 10 acre freeze that's in the months four months

[3:54:17] Trustee Elliott: leading up to the legislative review there was only 3 000 lots filed for

[3:54:24] Trustee Elliott: subdivision. That's why we are much, much more considerate of subdivisions because that

[3:54:34] Trustee Elliott: window is closing rapidly on the ability to do that. So everybody who had large lots decided

[3:54:42] Trustee Elliott: that was the case. So

[3:54:44] Trustee Elliott: do it even if you don't ever intend to. So we don't want that. So

[3:54:49] Trustee Elliott: So, however, that is one of the questions that we're proposing to ask the community.

[3:54:55] Trustee Elliott: And so I do think it would sort of fit two goals, which is we need to provide the LTC

[3:55:01] Trustee Elliott: with information about what the impacts are and the current legislation and the effects

[3:55:07] Trustee Elliott: on other agencies.

[3:55:09] Trustee Elliott: If we're going to consider that, we're asking the community, but what are the legal and

[3:55:14] Trustee Elliott: social...

[3:55:16] Trustee Elliott: The logistical...

[3:55:17] Trustee Elliott: The logistical...

[3:55:18] Trustee Elliott: But from that, does it require council involvement?

[3:55:21] Trustee Elliott: Can a local trust committee entertain that

[3:55:25] Trustee Elliott: and then require the province to abide by it?

[3:55:28] Trustee Elliott: I don't know.

[3:55:28] Trustee Elliott: But that's something that you could decide today

[3:55:30] Trustee Elliott: that you want staff to bring that back.

[3:55:32] Trustee Elliott: We just advised Marissa and her team

[3:55:34] Trustee Elliott: that this is something that was determined

[3:55:35] Trustee Elliott: after her piece was considered

[3:55:39] Trustee Elliott: and is relevant to that.

[3:55:41] Trustee Elliott: That's a major project,

[3:55:42] Trustee Elliott: but it's not something that we've necessarily sorted out right now.

[3:55:45] Trustee Elliott: so it's

[3:55:47] Voice 13: options

[3:55:49] Trustee Elliott: and what you said logistics around the potential for

[3:55:57] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:55:59] Voice 13: think

[3:56:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): conscious in the word anything

[3:56:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): unintended consequences are not my favorite words

[3:56:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): um

[3:56:20] Trustee Elliott: options consequences potential consequences is

[3:56:26] Voice 8: that something do we need to do this today or

[3:56:29] Voice 8: yes did we work on the language i

[3:56:31] Trustee Elliott: think we could work on the language but it's i'd like to have

[3:56:37] Trustee Elliott: the information before we start asking the communities is what you want and that's kind

[3:56:45] Trustee Elliott: of the conversation this summer is growth management and types of uh ways to manage

[3:56:53] Trustee Elliott: the current pattern we have um okay so i'll work on this for a little bit but

[3:57:07] Trustee Elliott: um i wanted to bring back this other idea in perusing the local government act as you do on

[3:57:17] Trustee Elliott: the potential of a heritage revitalization agreement it's in section 966 so the local

[3:57:25] Trustee Elliott: government helped and so I asked you Sonia some questions about that but could you tell us about

[3:57:31] Trustee Elliott: the potential use of this tool and its relevancy or relevance sorry to this parcel and sorry we're

[3:57:49] Trustee Elliott: still speaking like in the agenda we're still we're still under this item yep we discussed

[3:57:59] Trustee Elliott: offline the heritage revitalization agreement tool and its ability to

[3:58:09] Trustee Elliott: work outside the scope of your land use bylaw in terms of zoning and density to allow for a

[3:58:15] Trustee Elliott: local government to engage in a voluntary agreement with the

[3:58:19] Trustee Elliott: property owner on use and density of a lot in exchange for

[3:58:25] Trustee Elliott: a long term protection of heritage, property, whatever

[3:58:32] Trustee Elliott: that is built physical built heritage, it could be landscape

[3:58:36] Trustee Elliott: heritage. So

[3:58:38] Trustee Elliott: it seems broad enough to encompass cultural

[3:58:42] Trustee Elliott: heritage landscapes as well, not just an old school or the old post office, et cetera.

[3:58:51] Trustee Elliott: So if that's the case, then a voluntary agreement means that the property owner is amenable

[3:58:58] Trustee Elliott: to negotiating with the local trust committee on a potential increase in density or a number

[3:59:06] Trustee Elliott: of lots or minimum lot size of lots in exchange for that to be registered on title to protect

[3:59:13] Trustee Elliott: protect this real heritage property and have conditions around that and this is this is

[3:59:18] Trustee Elliott: something that is still subject to a violation drafted a public hearing being held but it

[3:59:23] Trustee Elliott: doesn't trigger a rezoning application where there's fees collected and analysis we don't

[3:59:30] Trustee Elliott: have a key structure for heritage revitalization agreements so it would be at I'm not sure

[3:59:36] Trustee Elliott: I have a question directly related to that thought or proposal, wouldn't, I would expect

[3:59:46] Trustee Elliott: that the SNNEMA presentation would be in charge of doing that, or leading that, or?

[3:59:52] Trustee Elliott: So yes, in theory, the local government is doing this with the owner.

[4:00:00] Trustee Elliott: because the heritage is colonial heritage and so what we're discussing is not that case at all so

[4:00:06] Trustee Elliott: this would be a tool that was designed and developed for very specific use to be applied

[4:00:11] Trustee Elliott: to a different beneficial use of projecting cultural heritage so yes we would encourage

[4:00:16] Trustee Elliott: you to recognize that the nation's interests in using that tool would need to be vetted first and

[4:00:21] Trustee Elliott: foremost that they're they understand how this tool works that they feel it is the strongest

[4:00:26] Trustee Elliott: measure of protection that can be

[4:00:28] Trustee Elliott: afforded and work in cooperation

[4:00:30] Trustee Elliott: with the local trust committee

[4:00:32] Trustee Elliott: and the applicant or the owner of the property

[4:00:34] Trustee Elliott: to come up with

[4:00:36] Trustee Elliott: a solution that works.

[4:00:39] Trustee Elliott: So it's completely voluntary.

[4:00:40] Trustee Elliott: You cannot force or

[4:00:42] Voice 13: impose

[4:00:43] Trustee Elliott: restriction.

[4:00:45] Trustee Elliott: And so how long

[4:00:47] Trustee Elliott: that takes, how many staff resources

[4:00:49] Trustee Elliott: are required, without an application

[4:00:51] Trustee Elliott: fee, these are all

[4:00:52] Trustee Elliott: pieces that I need

[4:00:55] Trustee Elliott: need to be determined.

[4:00:58] Trustee Elliott: I'm just identifying that this is a provision

[4:01:00] Trustee Elliott: of provincial legislation that hasn't been utilized

[4:01:04] Trustee Elliott: by the island's trust before.

[4:01:05] Trustee Elliott: There's nothing saying it's not appropriate in this case,

[4:01:08] Trustee Elliott: but it would need to be carefully considered.

[4:01:11] Trustee Elliott: And in our engagement with various nations

[4:01:15] Trustee Elliott: for our major project work, we are constantly

[4:01:18] Trustee Elliott: amazed at how many tools there are that aren't being utilized.

[4:01:23] Trustee Elliott: and the governments aren't aware and the nations aren't really clear either on why not and so I

[4:01:29] Trustee Elliott: think it's partly because for the most part they were designed to protect colonial heritage

[4:01:36] Trustee Elliott: and the interpretation can be broadened to include cultural landscapes or spiritual

[4:01:43] Trustee Elliott: spiritual sites and we want to see these tools employed but they require a lot of cooperation

[4:01:52] Trustee Elliott: negotiation discussions and there just seems to not be a direct like significant resources to

[4:01:57] Trustee Elliott: support that process so from a technical perspective without talking about any specific

[4:02:03] Trustee Elliott: property question really that tool could be used where you have three parties willing to sit down

[4:02:09] Trustee Elliott: and discuss option whether that's appropriate in the cases you're thinking of i don't know

[4:02:20] Trustee Elliott: yeah um so a heritage revitalization agreement prevails over a bylaw with permanent

[4:02:29] Trustee Elliott: um may only be amended by bylaw with the consent of the owner does not require an owner to enter

[4:02:35] Trustee Elliott: into a consent to it so it's a very it's a voluntary tool in which you're negotiating

[4:02:43] Trustee Elliott: benefits and protections, essentially. My question further to that is whether a temporary

[4:03:00] Trustee Elliott: order, an order for temporary protection could also be used, because in that case, a local

[4:03:12] Trustee Elliott: government may order that real property is subject to temporary protection according

[4:03:15] Trustee Elliott: According to Section 965, if the local government considers that the property is or may be heritage property,

[4:03:21] Trustee Elliott: or protection of the property may be necessary or desirable for the conservation of other property that is heritage property.

[4:03:28] Trustee Elliott: This can only be a year.

[4:03:34] Trustee Elliott: It's not longer than 60 days.

[4:03:37] Trustee Elliott: So it can be used to identify landscape features that are subject to the order, to specify types of alterations.

[4:03:47] Trustee Elliott: and we understand that these heritage laws are typically trying to protect settler heritage

[4:03:55] Trustee Elliott: but the Interpretation Act which does not enshrine DRIPA and our local government act does require

[4:04:05] Trustee Elliott: that we read all statutes with regard to how do they uphold the principles in the Declaration Act

[4:04:17] Trustee Elliott: the rights of Indigenous peoples to determine what is there, what is how their

[4:04:27] Trustee Elliott: cultural heritage is cared for. And so we just keep hearing that there is not

[4:04:39] Trustee Elliott: an insufficient consideration for the protection of their property on these lands.

[4:04:49] Trustee Elliott: So I'm wondering what else we can do to negotiate so that San Emo has access and show that we are a willing party and if there needs to be something in favor of the applicant to have more lots or smaller lots that are allowed under our LUB, that could then be a negotiation.

[4:05:13] Trustee Elliott: And does this LTC want to entertain this, which would require, you know, staff resources

[4:05:20] Trustee Elliott: and where does that fit?

[4:05:22] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure in the chair it would, if the LTC would like staff to do some research,

[4:05:30] Trustee Elliott: it may be, whether it's part of the speak-through application, we're kind of going a bit

[4:05:37] Trustee Elliott: feels like that's what would normally get looked at through a development permit application so it

[4:05:47] Trustee Elliott: will generate some more time i think to get you some information you have to be very clear

[4:05:53] Trustee Elliott: um to understand what kinds of questions um and maybe some time to formulate those questions

[4:06:01] Trustee Elliott: stuff and come back and give you that information you do need a resolution for that um

[4:06:10] Trustee Elliott: It may be beyond the scope of the application, maybe another project, depending on what these

[4:06:19] Trustee Elliott: kinds of questions are, if they're speaking to bigger legislative or bigger questions that we

[4:06:26] Trustee Elliott: have beyond a simple process or international process. Go ahead. I'm

[4:06:34] Trustee Elliott: just wondering if the

[4:06:36] Trustee Elliott: first question is really whether or not you're able to request if the nation wants your support

[4:06:41] Trustee Elliott: in this matter to explore this because perhaps it's premature to decide that this rule would

[4:06:46] Trustee Elliott: be appropriate and that we're going to spend some time resources sorting this out when in fact

[4:06:51] Voice 13: perhaps

[4:06:52] Trustee Elliott: the nation has some really different ideas and they're working with the provincial

[4:06:55] Trustee Elliott: superintendents or on

[4:06:56] Trustee Elliott: those we don't know what those discussions

[4:06:58] Voice 6: are so

[4:06:59] Trustee Elliott: a different way to gauge

[4:07:01] Trustee Elliott: their level of interest in whether or not they want your support to that this and then yes direct

[4:07:07] Trustee Elliott: that level's request for support to explore that option.

[4:07:13] Voice 12: So

[4:07:14] Trustee Elliott: that was exactly my question.

[4:07:17] Trustee Elliott: I had actually wondered whether in any of the staff-to-staff work

[4:07:21] Trustee Elliott: that this hadn't even come up at all as a topic of possible exploration.

[4:07:27] Trustee Elliott: And so that was exactly my question.

[4:07:33] Trustee Elliott: Shouldn't we be asking the nation whether

[4:07:37] Voice 8: this could be helpful first?

[4:07:39] Voice 8: so we need a resolution to request staff to ask if is

[4:07:47] Voice 10: that a leadership to leadership question because

[4:07:49] Voice 10: um is

[4:07:51] Trustee Elliott: it political or is are you comfortable in your role as uh i mean we can ask our staff

[4:07:58] Trustee Elliott: contacts if they need more information on this and if it's flexibility for any files

[4:08:03] Trustee Elliott: in general terms. If you have upcoming leadership meetings that this could fit into in general

[4:08:12] Trustee Elliott: terms, could this tool be useful with a local trust area planning function that you could

[4:08:19] Trustee Elliott: support them on for high priority sites? It's like keeping it open because there might be

[4:08:24] Trustee Elliott: other parcels that need this level of support, but yeah.

[4:08:32] Trustee Elliott: And thus, should we be dealing with that question after we finish work on this, or should we do it now?

[4:08:41] Trustee Elliott: Because I agree that it has broader possibilities and not necessarily tied to the specific application.

[4:08:57] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I'm not sure which is more effective.

[4:09:00] Trustee Elliott: like from a staff perspective we can just put it there and then if it either goes somewhere it

[4:09:04] Trustee Elliott: doesn't we don't know right we just work with the staff questions do they need more information

[4:09:12] Trustee Elliott: um it might just be well

[4:09:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): i wouldn't i don't think it would hurt to have staff

[4:09:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): make a request and then if there's a leadership opportunity that that's pursued as well

[4:09:23] Trustee Elliott: is there an upcoming leadership i

[4:09:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't know is there

[4:09:28] Trustee Elliott: the radar since we uh since staff have been engaging more okay so then

[4:09:33] Trustee Elliott: it makes sense

[4:09:34] Trustee Elliott: perhaps that we just follow up with staff again we did discuss this before including

[4:09:38] Trustee Elliott: the heritage conservation area um tool with staff but not in any specific detail do you need a

[4:09:46] Trustee Elliott: resolution so i think a resolution would be helpful because nurse and i at the regional

[4:09:52] Trustee Elliott: planning team level need to decide if this is yeah fits in with that more neatly in terms of

[4:09:59] Trustee Elliott: the support you're getting a little cplb project versus you know targeting any specific application

[4:10:05] Trustee Elliott: or file or property so um at the local committee request staff to um engage with somebody right

[4:10:17] Trustee Elliott: some federal department on whether there's any interest to the floor then we're the true

[4:10:24] Trustee Elliott: vitalization agreement tool for its use and application in a particular element

[4:10:31] Trustee Elliott: and then we know roughly what to do with that and so as to their interest lisa's typing away

[4:10:42] Trustee Elliott: there we go small portion of that and whether they want support to explore that because they

[4:10:47] Trustee Elliott: might decide that they can take care of that and just direct you to do the little part that you

[4:10:54] Trustee Elliott: need to do yeah and they

[4:10:55] Trustee Elliott: do the bulk of the engagement and negotiation and you're simply

[4:11:00] Trustee Elliott: entering into that public hearing process and drafting the bylaw and executing executing the

[4:11:06] Trustee Elliott: legislative process virtually it's the actual negotiation okay

[4:11:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): lisa what did you capture there

[4:11:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh they gave you an island local trust treaty request

[4:11:14] Voice 8: staff to engage with

[4:11:15] Voice 8: the rights and title department on whether there is interest to explore a refuge revitalization

[4:11:20] Voice 8: tool agreement

[4:11:22] Trustee Elliott: or entry by allocation agreement to all percent to section 966

[4:11:30] Trustee Elliott: and that

[4:11:31] Voice 8: was in reference to any in the

[4:11:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): local trust area

[4:11:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah some of that

[4:11:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): needs to be added to the end lisa after the revitalization agreement tool

[4:11:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, for use in the Gabriel of local trust area.

[4:11:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[4:11:54] Trustee Elliott: Okay, I'm sorry, Trustee Yates?

[4:11:56] Trustee Elliott: I'm just going to say for the whole area.

[4:11:59] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:11:59] Trustee Elliott: Because we are working on our OCP review as well.

[4:12:02] Trustee Elliott: It could be helpful.

[4:12:04] Voice 8: All right.

[4:12:05] Voice 8: If you could read that back one more time, let me see.

[4:12:09] Voice 8: Did the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to engage with

[4:12:12] Voice 8: the rights entitlement department on whether there is interest to explore

[4:12:16] Voice 8: for the heritage revitalization engagement tool

[4:12:19] Voice 8: for use in the

[4:12:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Gabriela Island Local Trust Area.

[4:12:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[4:12:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): An agreement.

[4:12:26] Trustee Elliott: Swap of engagement for agreement.

[4:12:30] Voice 8: Sorry, I think I read it wrong.

[4:12:33] Voice 8: Interest to explore the heritage revitalization agreement.

[4:12:36] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:12:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sorry, I got it wrong.

[4:12:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's all right.

[4:12:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): We'd like to make that motion.

[4:12:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Elliot, is there a second?

[4:12:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Yates, any discussion?

[4:12:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): All vote, all those in favor, that carries.

[4:12:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, so can we move on?

[4:12:58] Trustee Elliott: Ms. Kelly, you're still thinking?

[4:13:01] Trustee Elliott: I'm just looking at this order for temporary protections.

[4:13:05] Voice 8: So I think that they can get the dialogue

[4:13:09] Voice 8: and it's limited.

[4:13:11] Voice 8: But I think

[4:13:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): talking to the nation is the place to start.

[4:13:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[4:13:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[4:13:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you, Sonia.

[4:13:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, thank you.

[4:13:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you, Sonia.

[4:13:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, let's move on.

[4:13:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've already done 9.2, so we're going, we've already done 10.1.

[4:13:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Correspondence, there's a number of correspondences, plural, correspondence has been received.

[4:13:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's on the web page. Any questions on any of that?

[4:13:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Under, sorry, we're just finished, so we just passed, we're going on to 173.

[4:13:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): I thought

[4:13:48] Voice 10: we did miss 13.1.

[4:13:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): 13.1 that's where we're headed

[4:13:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's where we're going

[4:13:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): we do have under new business we did have

[4:13:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): the question about

[4:14:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Mudge Island and I think you

[4:14:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): said the minutes may have just been able to

[4:14:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): resolve that issue

[4:14:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): so

[4:14:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I need to just read that again

[4:14:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the minutes

[4:14:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): which were on page 26 of our agenda

[4:14:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): package that we did

[4:14:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Tamara Rosen reported

[4:14:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): that

[4:14:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): that open Mudge Island bylaw enforcement files

[4:14:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): were put into abeyance

[4:14:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): until the bylaw enforcement review project

[4:14:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): is completed at Trust Council.

[4:14:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): I noted that this does not preclude

[4:14:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): any new complaints from being submitted

[4:14:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): and files still be opened.

[4:14:42] Trustee Elliott: And I did pass that on to Robin too.

[4:14:44] Trustee Elliott: Okay, good.

[4:14:45] Trustee Elliott: All right,

[4:14:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): so good timing.

[4:14:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): me, Manager Dingman. We're on to 13.1 in the agenda, page 173. This is bylaw enforcement

[4:14:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): notification bylaw amendments. We have a staff report over to you, Manager Dingman, I guess.

[4:15:05] Voice 5: So, Chair, before you report regarding amendments to the Bend bylaw, suggested amendments that

[4:15:15] Voice 5: that are primarily housekeeping,

[4:15:16] Voice 5: a change to the schedules, simplifying them,

[4:15:22] Voice 5: adding a $300 surcharge for all late payments.

[4:15:28] Voice 5: That surcharge is something that is used

[4:15:30] Voice 5: to cover debt collection costs that are incurred

[4:15:34] Voice 5: when there are late payments

[4:15:35] Voice 5: and we have to proceed to filing a small claims court.

[4:15:38] Voice 5: The other major change that would be here

[4:15:41] Voice 5: would be the adding of a penalty for failing to obtain a development permit in your development

[4:15:49] Voice 5: permit areas. There isn't, I would say, any type of significant problem with property

[4:16:02] Voice 5: owners obtaining development permits, but this would at least be a tool where if they

[4:16:08] Voice 5: don't obtain the permit we could assess a penalty as the alternative for anything to do with the

[4:16:14] Voice 5: developed permit areas is to file the bc supreme court which has considerable costs associated with

[4:16:20] Voice 5: it so that's why within the gabriola schedule it adds that uh contravention uh failed to obtain a

[4:16:30] Voice 5: developer in a developed permanent area with a 500 fund uh that's the only other major uh

[4:16:38] Voice 5: amendment to these schedules uh some of the rest are really housekeeping

[4:16:42] Voice 5: and

[4:16:43] Voice 13: you

[4:16:45] Voice 5: do have a schedule you've got a the amendment by novel uh delete the schedule

[4:16:51] Voice 5: per mod uh gabriella much and of course see an avenue schedule for each landing spiral right

[4:16:58] Trustee Elliott: Right. So mudges are different than cabriolets.

[4:17:03] Voice 5: Yes. Each land use bylaw has its own schedule.

[4:17:07] Voice 5: We can't capture them by thinking that one schedule.

[4:17:10] Voice 5: That's why there are separate land use bylaws.

[4:17:15] Voice 5: Great job.

[4:17:19] Voice 8: Well, trustee, what would you like to do?

[4:17:21] Voice 9: Go ahead. Questions?

[4:17:23] Voice 9: Quick question to Manager Dingman.

[4:17:24] Voice 9: I notice in like around 8.3.4, 8.3.6, we talk about home occupation

[4:17:33] Voice 9: and we talk about bed and breakfast.

[4:17:37] Voice 9: Where does short-term vacation rental come in that list?

[4:17:43] Voice 5: On Schedule A, that's B63, prohibited commercial vacation rental.

[4:17:48] Voice 12: Oh, there it is.

[4:17:49] Voice 12: Within

[4:17:49] Voice 5: the Gabriel Langley's file, I would refer to it as commercial vacation rental.

[4:17:53] Voice 5: And that would be a $500 penalty.

[4:17:55] Voice 13: perfect thank you any

[4:18:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): other questions no proceed with

[4:18:06] Voice 9: the yes greetings yes i move that gabrielle

[4:18:11] Voice 9: on the local trust committee by law enforcement notification bylaw number 320 cited as gabrielle

[4:18:17] Voice 9: on the local trust committee by law enforcement notification bylaw number 263

[4:18:21] Voice 9: 2011. Amendment number 1, 2024, be read a first time.

[4:18:27] Trustee Elliott: Is there a second? Trustee Elliott, any discussion? Vote.

[4:18:32] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[4:18:34] Voice 9: I move that Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw number 320,

[4:18:39] Voice 9: cited as Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw number 263, 2011.

[4:18:46] Voice 9: Amendment number 1, 2024, be read a second time.

[4:18:50] Voice 9: Second. Trustee Elliott,

[4:18:52] Voice 8: any discussion?

[4:18:54] Voice 9: Call the vote. All those in

[4:18:55] Voice 9: favor? That carries.

[4:18:57] Voice 9: I move that Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification

[4:19:00] Voice 9: Bylaw Number 320, cited as Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification

[4:19:06] Voice 9: Bylaw Number 263, 2011, Amendment Number 1, 2024,

[4:19:11] Trustee Elliott: be read a third time.

[4:19:12] Voice 13: Second. Trustee

[4:19:14] Trustee Elliott: Elliott, any discussion? Call the vote. All those in favor? That carries.

[4:19:18] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:19:20] Voice 9: move that Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee bylaw enforcement notification bylaw number 320 cited as Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee bylaw enforcement notification bylaw number 263-2011, amendment number 1-2024, be formative to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee.

[4:19:38] Voice 9: second trustee

[4:19:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Elliott any discussion all vote all those in favor that carries

[4:19:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): boy I'd like to move to the point where we just say move as presented

[4:19:49] Voice 13: yeah you

[4:19:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): have to have that conversation of executive committee

[4:19:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): these are wonderful so

[4:19:55] Trustee Elliott: we've left a half-baked motion about this asking staff for options and

[4:20:00] Trustee Elliott: implications of cons and subdivisions oh um apologize I forgot it

[4:20:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I assume we were coming back to it later in the meeting so yeah

[4:20:13] Trustee Elliott: so the wording that I'm

[4:20:17] Trustee Elliott: looking at is requesting manager

[4:20:18] Trustee Elliott: to request staff to bring back a briefing or to return a briefing

[4:20:24] Trustee Elliott: on options and potential consequences including legal impacts on a pause on subdivisions

[4:20:44] Trustee Elliott: Subdivision potential

[4:20:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): was

[4:20:46] Trustee Elliott: the wording that we're considering presenting to the community

[4:20:51] Trustee Elliott: for feedback.

[4:20:56] Voice 12: Yeah,

[4:20:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll just email that to you.

[4:20:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): Are you generally, you're looking for instruments or you're going to look to Regional Planning

[4:21:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): manager now that you're typing away this is this is not an uncommon thing for local government who

[4:21:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): are considering any com any form of new thought laws or new regulations

[4:21:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): so it's the tools as we are moving forward implementation of something to be anything

[4:21:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): through the chair sorry i lost the first part of the question can you repeat again for me this is

[4:21:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): the question following up on trustee elliott's uh desire to get some information on what if uh

[4:21:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): through the ocp project there could be either we're asking the question of whether or not we

[4:21:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): want to you know uh i don't have a question in front of me but in regards to the subdivision

[4:22:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): potential that's still out there i think it's to

[4:22:03] Trustee Elliott: support the gabriella ocp project discussion

[4:22:07] Trustee Elliott: on growth management and that was related to some of the conversation about density

[4:22:12] Trustee Elliott: yeah because the

[4:22:13] Trustee Elliott: removal of subdivision potential which was one of the topics that

[4:22:16] Trustee Elliott: narissa highlighted we'd be asking can we be about and i think it would be good to get

[4:22:24] Trustee Elliott: some staff information on what would be the options potential consequences including

[4:22:29] Trustee Elliott: legal legal implications because we've got relationships with a lot of agencies

[4:22:33] Trustee Elliott: agencies, in-stream applications, what will be the effects for in-stream versus new applications?

[4:22:42] Trustee Elliott: I'll just email you that or to limit subdivision or if it was for the the reading was the removal

[4:22:52] Trustee Elliott: of subdivision potential, the removal of subdivision potential, that depending on the framing of

[4:23:00] Trustee Elliott: that question could be explored through what Nerissa Planner Chatwick is looking at for the

[4:23:08] Trustee Elliott: engagement but I would really like to talk to her about that so to see whether that it falls within

[4:23:15] Trustee Elliott: that context or if this is something out of scope how that scope fits in um so there's a revolution

[4:23:24] Trustee Elliott: with that direction that asked, we can at least take that.

[4:23:30] Trustee Elliott: I just e-mailed it to you if you want to have a look.

[4:23:33] Trustee Elliott: I don't know if it's really the most familiar.

[4:23:35] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so e-mail it to Lisa.

[4:23:39] Trustee Elliott: request staff to return a briefing on the options

[4:23:42] Trustee Elliott: and potential consequences, including legal implications

[4:23:48] Trustee Elliott: on the removal of subdivision potential in the context of...

[4:23:53] Voice 8: I think it's for the consideration of

[4:23:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): the removal I think you oh thank you yeah because there is no

[4:24:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): decision to remove things you're just thinking of you're trying to pre okay after or start stop

[4:24:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): think turning your minds to

[4:24:07] Trustee Elliott: on so-called consideration of removal of subdivision

[4:24:12] Trustee Elliott: potential to support the Gabriel OCP project discussion something like that so what you'd

[4:24:21] Trustee Elliott: be signaling through the chair what that would be signaling signaling videos and feedback is

[4:24:28] Trustee Elliott: interest in pursuing interest in in potential policies

[4:24:32] Trustee Elliott: yeah but we need to understand the implications we have this policy what could that what do we

[4:24:40] Trustee Elliott: what do we need to consider can we even do this thing um what would the consequences be so

[4:24:48] Trustee Elliott: So, you know, convoluted, but it would be good to have that policy.

[4:24:56] Trustee Elliott: And of course, our policies are going to go through legal review anyways, but I think

[4:25:00] Trustee Elliott: to support the community discussion, it would be good to have some language around.

[4:25:08] Trustee Elliott: I'd say, yeah, so that wording, because it's, I'd say, yeah, put that in the resolution.

[4:25:17] Trustee Elliott: I think that's clear enough whether we yeah and the other parts of that exploring the

[4:25:24] Trustee Elliott: legal ramifications could speak to that context really for the particular piece of engagement

[4:25:31] Trustee Elliott: that's happening like whether that needs to get done at this point okay so we can remove

[4:25:37] Trustee Elliott: including label applications because that can be more costly lawyers love being consulted

[4:25:45] of

[4:25:45] Trustee Elliott: it you can just what the time provided yeah

[4:25:50] Voice 12: so

[4:25:51] Voice 8: lisa they could read that back for those changes

[4:25:54] Voice 8: there we go uh the gabriel island trust committee requests staff to return a briefing on the options

[4:26:03] Voice 8: and potential consequences on the consideration of the removal of subdivision potential

[4:26:08] Voice 8: to support the gabriel lab ocp project discussion on growth management does that work rpm

[4:26:21] Trustee Elliott: Well, I'm just trying to think of how to operationalize this, right? Because if it's really a project to do an additional brief, if it's not a brief, can the information, does the information need to appear as a formal brief, or can it happen through the work that's already going on?

[4:26:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think, yes. Wouldn't that be right, Trustee Elliott? We don't need a separate report if it's being considered.

[4:26:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): considered. So yeah. Yeah.

[4:26:55] Voice 8: So what is

[4:26:58] Trustee Elliott: part of the growth management? And if we don't need the legal part of it, well, maybe just include options as potential consequences.

[4:27:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we're just working on supporting the drugs to provide

[4:27:58] Voice 6: so

[4:28:20] Voice 8: Gabriel, I local trustee request staff provide options and

[4:28:26] Voice 8: potential potential consequences of the removal of subdivision

[4:28:30] Voice 8: potential to support the area. A lot of OCP project discussion on

[4:28:34] Voice 8: both lunch sounds

[4:28:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right are you making that motion okay motion made by trustee elliot is there

[4:28:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): a second second by trustee yates any discussion thank you

[4:28:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): all the vote all those in favor that

[4:28:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): carries okay excuse

[4:28:53] Voice 8: me chair patrick i'm sorry to do this but i have a option here that i started

[4:29:01] Voice 8: writing but i don't have it as carried or even seconded but i just go back to it was the one

[4:29:07] Voice 8: it was what the gabriel island local trust committee requesting staff considered amending

[4:29:11] Voice 8: the language in the um proposed bylaw to ensure that housing and density of housing is tied to

[4:29:18] Voice 8: commercial redevelopment did we did

[4:29:21] Voice 10: we not vote on that i

[4:29:22] Voice 8: don't know that's what i think it's me

[4:29:24] Voice 8: i if we did we

[4:29:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): did vote on that yeah yes we did i know we closed that item okay yep i just don't

[4:29:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): i don't i remember that that'll be on today so what is it aren't all that good that they're

[4:29:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): there in this little concentration no we're all are we're all tired okay let's keep focused here

[4:29:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're on the the whole time okay um uh we have the um oh consideration of housing advisory

[4:29:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): planning commission verbal report a discussion 13.2

[4:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): it says verbal discussion consideration of housing advisory planning commission verbal

[4:30:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussion you're the chair yes

[4:30:08] Trustee Elliott: i do have an update on that pardon me that's all right

[4:30:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's getting late we're fading oh

[4:30:16] Trustee Elliott: that's because we wanted to reappoint them or

[4:30:18] Trustee Elliott: yeah cross-referencing

[4:30:25] Trustee Elliott: two moments so there's some information that's come through to share um and the ltc can decide

[4:30:32] Trustee Elliott: if they would what they would like to do so for this particular um item as of monday

[4:30:39] Trustee Elliott: um stop received three applicant interests um however at this time there's no so there's no

[4:30:47] Trustee Elliott: current projects or applications at this time with the exception of the ocp major project

[4:30:53] Trustee Elliott: project where the advisory planning committee is already engaged.

[4:30:58] Trustee Elliott: So the housing advisory committee, there isn't one at this time, but the LTC could consider

[4:31:06] Trustee Elliott: whether you do want to strike that committee, now that you have three, you could select

[4:31:11] Trustee Elliott: a committee in that way and there would need to be some composition and decision closed

[4:31:17] Trustee Elliott: with those applicants or application information.

[4:31:20] Trustee Elliott: or you can decide to not strike a housing advisory committee if you think that the work

[4:31:27] Trustee Elliott: is already being discussed or addressed through the engagement and work that's happening through

[4:31:32] Trustee Elliott: the advisory plan.

[4:31:34] Trustee Elliott: That's really just the verbal update to share.

[4:31:38] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:31:43] Trustee Elliott: I would suggest we put this on pause for right now.

[4:31:48] Trustee Elliott: three members or three applicants wanting to fill out the Commission

[4:31:52] Trustee Elliott: anyways. Staff is leading some good discussions in community about housing

[4:32:00] Trustee Elliott: so I think we can can we pause this and then if there is a need for a Housing Advisory

[4:32:06] Trustee Elliott: Commission we bring that back up and invite the three applicants who need to

[4:32:13] Trustee Elliott: apply to reapply. Through the chair we can we can put out that we can reach

[4:32:18] Trustee Elliott: out to those once we get your intention that you would like a housing advisory committee

[4:32:24] Trustee Elliott: we can um reconfirm that with us with staff and staff can reach out to those

[4:32:29] Trustee Elliott: to interested members that we love um we could also put out a call

[4:32:36] Trustee Elliott: all right so nothing in terms of this particular action there would be no um there's no

[4:32:43] Trustee Elliott: to request the agenda for your decision so sorry just to be clear the term has expired so there's

[4:32:49] Trustee Elliott: no active housing advisory planning commission right okay so if we need one in july we can

[4:32:57] Trustee Elliott: issue another call and good idea yeah and what do we do with the three applicants

[4:33:03] Trustee Elliott: we would um start with follow-up with them to just advise them but the committee hasn't been

[4:33:08] Trustee Elliott: but it might but if there's future if they're interested in future opportunities

[4:33:13] Trustee Elliott: that would be

[4:33:15] Trustee Elliott: perfect okay so

[4:33:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): then moving on we have um the trust conservancy the heron report

[4:33:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): is here for your information

[4:33:27] Voice 13: um

[4:33:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): the applications report is here is there any questions on any of

[4:33:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): the applications this is on page 184 oh thank you yes i

[4:33:37] Trustee Elliott: have two i think it has more to do

[4:33:40] Trustee Elliott: like the new program that puts them in this format because um the three that i always kind

[4:33:46] Trustee Elliott: of look at at the same time uh on the strand 1160 1170 and 1140 on the strand these are the

[4:33:58] Trustee Elliott: three properties that we've looked at in january with regard to what's happening on the foreshore

[4:34:04] Trustee Elliott: there and um it's i'm confused so the

[4:34:08] Voice 9: first one 1160 we've got a planner tomorrow says

[4:34:14] Voice 9: and the most complete recent activity

[4:34:18] Trustee Elliott: is a planning review what does that mean

[4:34:21] Trustee Elliott: where are we at with that one because these ones are all connected

[4:34:27] Trustee Elliott: page 184 184 sorry this is the chair um trying to think about some of these the updates that

[4:34:43] Trustee Elliott: are generated in this open applications report um there's multiple options to select they they

[4:34:51] Trustee Elliott: all mean slightly basically the same thing they're they're in process they're under application

[4:34:56] Trustee Elliott: planning review but they're very specific stages and they'll review um so your question was what

[4:35:05] Trustee Elliott: particular stage was this at yeah and i would i don't have that information to share right now

[4:35:13] Trustee Elliott: other than what's on this page that's i think the shortcomings of this particular report out

[4:35:18] Trustee Elliott: is how stages are generated but i can always follow up with you if you have a specific

[4:35:25] Trustee Elliott: a big question about well where this maybe

[4:35:27] Voice 9: what I'll do is wait until the next LTC meeting and

[4:35:30] Voice 9: see what this looks like again because I it's not it's not as helpful as the old

[4:35:36] Trustee Elliott: one was so let me

[4:35:38] Trustee Elliott: go to the next one there is an error in

[4:35:41] Voice 9: there so that's DVP 2022.4 on page 25 at the top under the

[4:35:48] Voice 9: The applicant name, it should say Mark and Gail Woodside.

[4:35:52] Trustee Elliott: Again, that's generated through our Mark and Gail software.

[4:35:57] Trustee Elliott: The input

[4:35:58] Trustee Elliott: of the data, it's not.

[4:36:00] Trustee Elliott: We'll correct that and make sure it's rebunking how it appears in this auto-generated report.

[4:36:06] Trustee Elliott: So

[4:36:07] Voice 9: the purpose is, that's correct,

[4:36:09] Trustee Elliott: it's a foreshore

[4:36:10] Voice 9: protection variance.

[4:36:11] Voice 9: It would be really nice to know where.

[4:36:15] Voice 9: so the most recent activity on that says email applicant of lpc meeting what does that mean

[4:36:23] Voice 9: we're just

[4:36:24] Trustee Elliott: waiting for the decision on the variance that we that we need to make a decision

[4:36:29] Trustee Elliott: on like we're waiting to make a decision on those all three of those properties actually

[4:36:34] Trustee Elliott: so through the chair i can provide another update to confirm if what stage is that at okay because

[4:36:41] Trustee Elliott: because, again, this is a selection of the particular status that is causing some confusion.

[4:36:48] Voice 9: And the last one, same thing.

[4:36:51] Voice 9: There's

[4:36:51] Trustee Elliott: something wrong with the application number for one thing, so that's mixed up.

[4:36:56] Trustee Elliott: And then most recent completed activity says generate LTC public notice.

[4:37:03] Trustee Elliott: That's not helpful either.

[4:37:08] Trustee Elliott: So for EVP 2024-0299?

[4:37:13] Trustee Elliott: Yes, on page 185. I can confirm that process as well. I believe that generate LTC public notice happens before it comes to the LTC for a decision where it has to be advertised for comment.

[4:37:32] Trustee Elliott: But I can confirm that with you as well. Again, it's one of those funny things.

[4:37:36] Trustee Elliott: You're calling out all of the little things here.

[4:37:39] Trustee Elliott: A new

[4:37:40] Voice 9: system with some new pickups, yeah.

[4:37:42] Voice 9: Well, you know, like if someone outside was looking at it,

[4:37:46] Voice 9: they would think,

[4:37:47] Trustee Elliott: well, what's that weird application number?

[4:37:49] Trustee Elliott: That doesn't make sense.

[4:37:50] Trustee Elliott: So, yeah, and I have some noted as well.

[4:37:51] Trustee Elliott: So thank you.

[4:37:52] Trustee Elliott: And please do feel free to just give us a call

[4:37:55] Trustee Elliott: and we can share with you that update and clarify even for the next week.

[4:38:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[4:38:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Did you have questions on the applications report?

[4:38:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[4:38:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we have the trustees local expense report generally here for your information.

[4:38:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've adopted policies and standing resolutions, there's no updates on First Nation relationship

[4:38:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): building.

[4:38:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): There was a lot of material in the reports earlier today, so that's good.

[4:38:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Climate change and local website page.

[4:38:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, so we're on to the work programs report, 14.1 on page 200 of the agenda package.

[4:38:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there any questions here? I think your work is still underway as you're working on it.

[4:38:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I still wanted to look at that. I

[4:38:45] Voice 10: didn't want to go on future projects.

[4:38:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that's future projects list. So do

[4:38:51] Trustee Elliott: you

[4:38:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a question?

[4:38:55] Trustee Elliott: Well, it's on the list for a reason. We directed it last year.

[4:39:02] Trustee Elliott: what are you doing about it? Have you done about the densities on that property? So is

[4:39:12] Trustee Elliott: it still an option for the LTC to explore?

[4:39:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Generally discussed it earlier. Ended up with a broader request of the

[4:39:25] Voice 8: general, but...

[4:39:28] Voice 8: The computer did.

[4:39:33] Voice 12: well it

[4:39:41] Trustee Elliott: would be a whole process but we've been asked over and over again what are we doing

[4:39:47] Trustee Elliott: with

[4:39:48] Voice 12: this and now it's up our hands

[4:39:52] Trustee Elliott: so this was the only thing we think to do

[4:39:58] Trustee Elliott: anyway let's explore the heritage revitalization agreement see where that goes

[4:40:05] Trustee Elliott: much island is waiting eagerly for the atlantis bylaw review

[4:40:09] Trustee Elliott: you uh item number two did you have a conversation with um residents a while ago because i thought

[4:40:22] Trustee Elliott: i had some idea from someone who said this was a potential project there's interest from the

[4:40:32] Trustee Elliott: community members in whether they can do advanced work and to support the ltc when we get to that

[4:40:40] Trustee Elliott: there may have been some conversations or discussions yeah I just can't recall whether

[4:40:46] Trustee Elliott: they were coming through from like residents like as interest may have been through various

[4:40:52] Trustee Elliott: conversations I think that might be how it landed as a future project item so how that gets done

[4:41:02] Trustee Elliott: it can be discussed who's involved how does that work even happen what it includes

[4:41:08] Trustee Elliott: please. And to include, I think maybe there was a conversation at the last LTC meeting

[4:41:13] Trustee Elliott: I attended, I can't remember when, it was February. Just to say that it could be, once

[4:41:22] Trustee Elliott: that project is wound up, we can talk about what that project itself looks like.

[4:41:26] Trustee Elliott: Our OCP project?

[4:41:28] Trustee Elliott: Well, that particular future project item.

[4:41:31] Trustee Elliott: Are you speaking, maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

[4:41:34] Trustee Elliott: So the MUNCH OCP LAB review, which, so we minimized our future projects list, the MUNCH OCP LAB review is a high priority for MUNCH community, we just heard from them today.

[4:41:48] Trustee Elliott: Where might that fit on our timeline for consideration of a future small project?

[4:41:58] Trustee Elliott: well is that yes i would need to think about that to advise that's a it sounds like i mean

[4:42:07] Trustee Elliott: would it be a major project minor project minor project if but it's a ocp review so it doesn't

[4:42:15] Trustee Elliott: give engagement so i think some of that would need to um just kind of have a little bit more

[4:42:20] Trustee Elliott: conversation be able to advise if it's a minor project the timing of that would be different

[4:42:26] Trustee Elliott: a major major elements when you see things like how much engagement how much time

[4:42:34] Trustee Elliott: the length of the project well if i can offer my thoughts based on what i've heard from several um

[4:42:42] Trustee Elliott: much community members um there isn't a desire for a whole official community plan review

[4:42:51] Trustee Elliott: there's some specific amendments that they believe would in just the land use bylaw that are still

[4:43:00] Trustee Elliott: consistent with the OCP that five or six items that could be updated or changed I think we've

[4:43:10] Trustee Elliott: got a long list from a long time back Stephan had talked about this as well of driveways being

[4:43:17] Trustee Elliott: being considered structures, garden beds and the setbacks.

[4:43:24] Trustee Elliott: There's like five items that are just

[4:43:28] Trustee Elliott: consistently contraventions and maybe the land use bylaws

[4:43:33] Trustee Elliott: should just be changed so that those aren't issues

[4:43:35] Trustee Elliott: because they're not real issues.

[4:43:38] Trustee Elliott: So that's what I believe Robin is here today

[4:43:41] Trustee Elliott: is are we going to consider Mudge's LUB review?

[4:43:46] Trustee Elliott: Can this be scheduled, at least started as a minor project in the next year before the end of the term?

[4:43:59] Trustee Elliott: They're quite anxious to get this underway.

[4:44:02] Trustee Elliott: Which would be before the end of this fiscal year, the end of this term, which is

[4:44:06] Trustee Elliott: before March, the end of March 2026.

[4:44:11] Trustee Elliott: So I would, through the chat, suggest we talk through that a little bit more and give you an answer.

[4:44:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): would you need a business case i think is probably more the question

[4:44:24] Trustee Elliott: charter oh

[4:44:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): well that has to be determined so the question would be is there a business case

[4:44:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): needed for this project or 20 you know for the next year that's a reasonable question yeah um

[4:44:41] Trustee Elliott: honestly i from what i'm hearing the scope of the project is it's within a minor project

[4:44:47] Trustee Elliott: charter and we don't have an active planner project because the OCPRB is consuming so many resources

[4:44:54] Trustee Elliott: so much keeps asking why are we going to initiate a fairly big review as a planner project I don't

[4:45:03] Trustee Elliott: think it should be considered a major project and it wouldn't be slated for so I just had a question

[4:45:11] Trustee Elliott: so things like driveways and gardening beds I thought we'd already given them a dispensation

[4:45:16] Trustee Elliott: on, no, those will not be considered structures, and they will just be, I'm sure we already

[4:45:23] Trustee Elliott: did that, until you, you know, look at your land use bylaw again.

[4:45:28] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:45:29] Voice 10: thought those changes aren't only been made.

[4:45:32] Voice 10: You haven't changed the land use bylaw.

[4:45:34] Voice 5: No, no.

[4:45:35] Voice 10: So

[4:45:35] Voice 5: through the charity,

[4:45:37] Voice 10: there's

[4:45:38] Voice 5: enforcement deferred on a wide range of contraventions

[4:45:42] Voice 5: until you have reviewed it.

[4:45:44] Voice 5: so and the files are all advanced at this time so nothing's going to happen until the LPC

[4:45:51] Voice 5: decides to take those calls out of advance so

[4:45:57] Voice 13: there's

[4:45:59] Voice 5: no immediate there's no urgency here

[4:46:01] Voice 5: no that

[4:46:02] Voice 5: I'm aware of uh there may be a desire to have the amendments made and some amendments will

[4:46:08] Voice 5: be easy because they'll just be within your definition of a structure exempting

[4:46:13] Voice 8: yeah

[4:46:13] Voice 5: certain structures yeah

[4:46:15] Voice 8: not even part of the ocp so yeah yes

[4:46:19] Voice 5: but they do have the department

[4:46:20] Voice 5: right now and the files are advanced you

[4:46:22] Trustee Elliott: know it's just not an ideal situation to have you know

[4:46:27] Trustee Elliott: an lub that keeps returning the same types of contraventions that's it's not a long-term plan

[4:46:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): well it needs to be fixed but it's a matter of stock resources and

[4:46:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think it can be revisited at some point to see.

[4:46:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): You've asked the question.

[4:46:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[4:46:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think it's when it can be slated in, it's going to be able to stop.

[4:46:49] Trustee Elliott: And you're asking, through the chair, you're asking, when can this as a minor project get picked up?

[4:46:55] Trustee Elliott: So I think that's a good time for us to dig into this piece, this minor project or this app, the future project a little more.

[4:47:04] Trustee Elliott: make sure we understand what the context of that looks like based on that, and then we can come back with a little more solid information for the next meeting.

[4:47:13] Trustee Elliott: Do you want a resolution?

[4:47:16] Voice 9: I just have a question before we do that. A really important question. I hope it's important.

[4:47:22] Trustee Elliott: I don't see any urgency to this. What I do see urgency for is that they don't have good public boat access,

[4:47:29] Trustee Elliott: And they are working to try to get Davidson Bay accessible for people.

[4:47:35] Trustee Elliott: But that has very little to do, unfortunately, with the local trust committee.

[4:47:39] Trustee Elliott: So, you know, it has to do with MOTI, with IDFO, the province, and with the regional district.

[4:47:47] Trustee Elliott: And so I have encouraged much residents to try to get that going on their own because they really need that.

[4:47:54] Trustee Elliott: And it has so little to do with our work, you know, at Lantus Biola or OCP Review.

[4:48:03] Trustee Elliott: And I am so concerned about getting our development areas done.

[4:48:10] Trustee Elliott: And if we cannot get them done, even three of them, as part of our OCP Review,

[4:48:17] Trustee Elliott: I would not vote in favor of a minor project that would preclude

[4:48:23] Voice 9: getting the work on the EPA.

[4:48:24] Voice 9: done. As far as I'm concerned, I mean, I wanted the DPAs to be done two years ago, but I understood

[4:48:32] Voice 9: why we were waiting to get the OCP and the landing spiral done first.

[4:48:38] Trustee Elliott: My biggest concern is getting

[4:48:40] Trustee Elliott: updated development permit areas because that is where the real protection happens, right on the

[4:48:48] Trustee Elliott: ground. I consider that quite a bit more urgent than a minor project from Mudge Island. And it's

[4:48:56] Trustee Elliott: not that I don't care about Mudge Island. I do. I talk to people all the time about, you know,

[4:49:01] Trustee Elliott: try this

[4:49:02] Voice 9: or do that. Susan,

[4:49:04] Trustee Elliott: the DPAs are in the OCP review.

[4:49:06] Voice 9: Yes, but we've already been told that

[4:49:08] Voice 9: we only have enough funding to maybe do two of them.

[4:49:11] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. So that is my concern. There's more

[4:49:14] Trustee Elliott: than two and they're all really important and they're a very important part of this

[4:49:20] Trustee Elliott: of this community they're really really important i understand but that's part of the scope of the

[4:49:26] Trustee Elliott: ofcp review it's not a separate project well

[4:49:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right so do you need a resolution regarding

[4:49:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): timing on digital projects

[4:49:36] Trustee Elliott: no this would be i'll note it in the fall action list but

[4:49:41] Trustee Elliott: I think this is part of what we can clarify for the country.

[4:49:46] Trustee Elliott: Targeted amendments to much of the reviews.

[4:49:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, so let's keep going.

[4:49:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): End of the day here.

[4:49:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Next meeting is going to be July 31st, 1030 in the morning here.

[4:50:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're going to have a closed meeting, so we'll be rising and reporting in the next meeting, I assume.

[4:50:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Zoom, make it easier on your tape.

[4:50:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I need one of you to read that motion.

[4:50:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[4:50:18] Trustee Elliott: move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter

[4:50:21] Trustee Elliott: Part 4, Division 3, Section 91F. For the purpose

[4:50:25] Trustee Elliott: of considering law enforcement, if the Council considers that disclosure

[4:50:28] Trustee Elliott: could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation

[4:50:32] Trustee Elliott: under or enforcement of an act, I'm going to let the reporter and staff

[4:50:37] Trustee Elliott: attend the meeting.

[4:50:38] Voice 12: Is there a second?

[4:50:38] Trustee Elliott: second any discussion

[4:50:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): all the vote all those in favor all right that carries so we'll take a moment

[4:50:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): to go into any camera how do you read your notes it's like absolutely my handwriting is really bad

[4:50:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah it looks

[4:50:56] Trustee Elliott: like it's a good for notes it's

[4:50:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh it is generally i can keep up pretty fast but i

[4:51:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): have to write it rewrite it very fast too um i don't have the agenda because i can't get access

[4:51:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't I've got to get it fixed for some reason. I've got her chair. I just didn't get updated for the cameras, getting to Gambia, it was, I just need to get it fixed but it's like

[4:51:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): like this.