Islands Trust Council special meeting, July 9, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 15: stream and we're ready all

[0:00:06] Trustee Patrick: right thank you very much well good morning everyone thank you for

[0:00:11] Trustee Patrick: joining us today we'd like to call this a special meeting of the committee of the whole to order

[0:00:17] Trustee Patrick: we always begin with acknowledging how fortunate we are to be meeting on the unseated and

[0:00:26] Trustee Patrick: treaty territories of many coast salish first nations with the recent announcements for the

[0:00:32] Trustee Patrick: the province in the stewardship agreement with Crown Lands in the Howe Sound area with the

[0:00:37] Trustee Patrick: Squamish First Nation. It's exciting times to see the evolving relationships that we have with First

[0:00:44] Trustee Patrick: Nations. And I think it's as we work alongside with First Nations to steward these islands

[0:00:50] Trustee Patrick: and the surrounding waters into the future, it's with that spirit that we do our work today.

[0:00:55] Trustee Patrick: Okay. Trustees, we have an agenda before us. Are there any changes or additions to the agenda? Not seeing any. Can we approve the agenda through general consent? Thank you very much.

[0:01:18] Trustee Patrick: I just want to do, I'm going to do a quick round of introductions. I'm going to do it myself sort of as a, so we know who's here. And then I'll turn over to staff, CAO Broney, to introduce the staff that are joining us today. I'm going to run down through alphabetical order because I think some trustees aren't here.

[0:01:35] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Allen is not with us. Trustee Bernardo, I know, sent regrets as well. Good morning, Trustee Boland, Saterna Island. Trustee Borthwick with us this morning.

[0:01:49] Trustee Patrick: don't see Trustee Borthwick. Trustee Campbell. Trustee Campbell. Trustee Dobbs from Maine Island.

[0:01:58] Trustee Patrick: Good morning.

[0:01:58] Voice 4: I'm here. Good morning. Welcome. Bit of rain happening, which is wonderful.

[0:02:02] Trustee Patrick: It's missing here. Trustee Elliott from Gabriela Island. Good morning. Trustee Evans from South

[0:02:12] Trustee Patrick: Pender. Good morning. Trustee Falk from South Pender. Good morning. Trustee Fast from Bowen

[0:02:18] Trustee Patrick: island morning morning uh trustee gavro from gabriola island good morning oh galliano sorry

[0:02:27] Trustee Patrick: i can't do gabriola and galliano from galliano good morning trustee gavro uh trustee getty from

[0:02:35] Trustee Patrick: bowen island

[0:02:36] Trustee Gedye: morning uh

[0:02:38] Trustee Patrick: trustee graham from denman island with us this is good morning

[0:02:43] Trustee Patrick: Good morning. Trustee Harris from Salt Spring. Don't say Trustee Harris. Trustee Hunter from Thetis Island. Good morning.

[0:02:52] Voice 2: Good morning.

[0:02:54] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Laroni here this morning. No. Okay. Trustee Lockham from Thetis Island. Good morning.

[0:03:02] Voice 30: Yeah, good morning. Coming to you this morning from Cowichan Territory and a lovely amphibious day.

[0:03:11] Trustee Patrick: Excellent. Trustee Maberly from Galliano. I'll say it properly.

[0:03:15] Trustee Patrick: Good

[0:03:16] Voice 24: morning.

[0:03:17] Trustee Patrick: Good morning.

[0:03:18] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Maude from Main Island.

[0:03:20] Voice 3: Good morning, Chair.

[0:03:22] Trustee Patrick: Good morning.

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Middleton from Saturna.

[0:03:27] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Morrison from North Bender.

[0:03:33] Trustee Patrick: Myself from Salt Spring Island.

[0:03:35] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Peterson from Leskeetee.

[0:03:37] Trustee Patrick: I see him here.

[0:03:48] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Scott from Hornby.

[0:03:51] Trustee Patrick: I don't believe he's with us today.

[0:03:53] Trustee Patrick: day uh trustee um stamford from gambier good morning

[0:04:00] Voice 30: and

[0:04:01] Trustee Patrick: trustee yates from gabriela good

[0:04:05] Trustee Patrick: morning good morning so thank you everyone for joining us today i'll quickly turn over to cao

[0:04:10] Trustee Patrick: brony to i believe he's on the call here to introduce the staff that are joining us today

[0:04:15] Trustee Patrick: good

[0:04:16] Voice 3: morning thank you chair uh joining us from the staff side today in addition to myself

[0:04:20] Voice 3: myself, meeting coordinator Lisa Millard, our policy advisor on all things policy statement,

[0:04:26] Voice 3: Jason Yeomans, executive coordinator Alexander Trifonidis, I think our senior freshwater

[0:04:32] Voice 3: specialist William Shulbaugh is with us, along with directors Freider, Marler, and Cermak.

[0:04:39] Trustee Patrick: All right, well thank you everyone for joining us today. Let's get right at it. We have some

[0:04:44] Trustee Patrick: business here. So before us, we have a number of items to adopt. We have the draft of minutes from

[0:04:51] Trustee Patrick: the Committee of the Whole meeting from May 6th on page 3. Are there any additions or changes to

[0:04:56] Trustee Patrick: those minutes? Not seeing any. Can we approve those minutes through general consent? Thank you.

[0:05:07] Trustee Patrick: The next item, 4.2, is the draft minutes from the Committee of the Whole from May 13th on page 10.

[0:05:15] Trustee Patrick: are there any additions or changes to those minutes? Not seeing any. Can we agree? We'll

[0:05:25] Trustee Patrick: pass those to general consent as well. The next two items are here for our information. It's the

[0:05:35] Trustee Patrick: resolution without meeting log to cancel the May 29th and to cancel the June 16th meetings.

[0:05:41] Trustee Patrick: We have the follow-up action list on page 18 of the agenda package. Are there any questions

[0:05:47] Trustee Patrick: on the agenda package on the follow-up action list or anything that staff wish to raise

[0:05:51] Trustee Patrick: only one item it's done all right well we'll move on then um so that's going to bring up go ahead

[0:06:04] Trustee Patrick: please

[0:06:05] Voice 8: trustee boland uh just with respect to that uh completed action item um has it been

[0:06:15] Voice 8: been released I'm just I just find that it was a bit disappointing when I read the minutes that

[0:06:21] Voice 8: there were no members of the public present and it was all organized for the benefit of those who

[0:06:27] Voice 8: had challenged the process so I'm just curious as to how that has been communicated thanks

[0:06:35] Voice 8: is there anyone from staff that would like to answer

[0:06:39] Trustee Patrick: that question yes

[0:06:43] Voice 3: chairs or it was it was

[0:06:44] Voice 3: released and is publicly available I believe on the on the website as part of the policy statement

[0:06:49] Voice 3: materials.

[0:06:51] Voice 8: So can I just ask a follow-up question? When you send out a news release

[0:06:58] Voice 8: could it by I know we can all sign up and subscribe and I do but a news release like

[0:07:05] Voice 8: that did it go to trustees explicitly or not?

[0:07:09] Voice 3: I don't believe it was released as a news release

[0:07:12] Voice 3: It was published as part of originally, I believe, an executive committee meeting package and then has been added to the website as part of the policy statement material.

[0:07:22] Voice 3: But yes, we can make sure that that's more broadly shared with all trustees when we release information like that publicly in future.

[0:07:31] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:07:32] Voice 8: I actually respectfully would suggest that it should go out as a news release.

[0:07:36] Voice 8: Okay, Trustee Boland, can we, I

[0:07:39] Trustee Patrick: appreciate this one. Can we talk more on the communications? I think we'll have opportunities later on the whole

[0:07:44] Trustee Patrick: package. Trustee Evans?

[0:07:46] Trustee Patrick: Sorry,

[0:07:48] Voice 9: I was just going to be commenting on the same thing. If this is meant to be publicly released, adding it into an agenda is difficult to find. I struggle on the website myself.

[0:08:00] Voice 9: And if the whole point is for transparency and clarity with the public, that is not the most transparent and best communication form if this is something that we really want to clear up with how the public is perceiving us.

[0:08:20] Voice 9: So I agree, this has to have a higher profile. Thank you.

[0:08:25] Voice 9: you

[0:08:25] Trustee Patrick: all right thank you trustees and i think like i said i think at the end when we kind of look at

[0:08:29] Trustee Patrick: next steps make sure information is available as we move forward into this next phase i think it

[0:08:33] Trustee Patrick: is important okay with that i think we want to get into our business of the day we are going to

[0:08:40] Trustee Patrick: move into a closed meeting

[0:08:42] Voice 23: is

[0:08:43] Trustee Patrick: there a trustee that will read the resolution there at item six on the

[0:08:48] Trustee Patrick: agenda i

[0:08:52] Trustee Gedye: move that the meeting be closed to the public subject to section 90 sub 1 sub i of the

[0:08:56] Trustee Gedye: community charter in order to consider matters related to the receipt of advice that is subject

[0:09:01] Trustee Gedye: to solicitor client privilege including communications necessary for that purpose

[0:09:06] Trustee Gedye: and that staff attend the meeting all

[0:09:08] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second to that motion

[0:09:13] Trustee Patrick: i'll second sue fast thank you uh seconded by trustee fast any discussion i'll call the vote

[0:09:19] Trustee Patrick: all those in favor raise your hands or wave at me

[0:09:26] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried okay um so we'll give staff a few moments to um

[0:09:34] Voice 32: yes

[0:09:35] Trustee Patrick: oh hello trustee morrison

[0:09:38] Trustee Patrick: good morning can you ask for opposing votes please oh i'm sorry um sure are there was there

[0:09:44] Trustee Patrick: any opposed okay one opposed that carries yes thank

[0:09:56] Voice 14: you very much no problem thank you very

[0:09:59] Voice 14: much to the chair and to the trustee okay chair we're good to go we

[0:10:17] Trustee Patrick: ready all right well thank

[0:10:19] Trustee Patrick: you everyone we've just returned from our in-camera meeting where we arise and report

[0:10:24] Trustee Patrick: that we adopted the meeting minutes from august 22 2024. um and with that we're going to return

[0:10:31] Trustee Patrick: turn to our agenda that we have before us, and that is into the business item, which is 8.1,

[0:10:43] Trustee Patrick: the Policy Statement Amendment Project, beginning on page 19 of the agenda package.

[0:10:50] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to staff to kick us off on this conversation.

[0:10:56] Voice 1: Just one point of clarification, Chair. There was an addendum to today's meeting agenda,

[0:11:01] Voice 1: which were some text changes that were recommended by Trustee Getty.

[0:11:05] Voice 1: I'm just wondering whether those should be addressed before the major consideration of whether the document is ready to be considered by Trust Council for first reading.

[0:11:15] Trustee Patrick: Good point. I'll look to trustees.

[0:11:18] Trustee Patrick: I think hopefully you've had a chance to take a look at the recommendations by Trustee Getty.

[0:11:25] Trustee Patrick: Should we do those first?

[0:11:27] Trustee Patrick: and i don't know if there's an easy way to do those other than to go through them did everyone

[0:11:34] Trustee Patrick: receive the addendum with trustee getty's recommended changes into trustees anyone

[0:11:42] Voice 19: trustee elliott i would find it difficult to go through trustee getty's edits and then go through

[0:11:51] Voice 19: the document can we not um go through the draft policy statement and then when there's an edit

[0:11:59] Voice 19: that trustee getty has suggested she can raise it and we can discuss it then so

[0:12:05] Trustee Patrick: concurrently is what

[0:12:07] Trustee Patrick: you're recommending i believe trustee getty i

[0:12:09] Trustee Gedye: apologize for being so pedantic it's okay

[0:12:16] Trustee Patrick: so um we're not hearing an alternative then i think we'll look over to you staff yeomans to

[0:12:22] Trustee Patrick: proceed with the conversation and trustee getty we're going to look to you to be keeping track

[0:12:26] Trustee Patrick: of your comments and to raise them as we proceed through the document if that makes

[0:12:30] Trustee Patrick: then best sense kind of do both at the same time just to keep everyone on their toes

[0:12:35] Trustee Patrick: all right over to you staffie owens sure

[0:12:39] Voice 1: i'm not sure that i have an elegant way to introduce the

[0:12:41] Voice 1: subject so um perhaps alex could you bring up on screen the uh addendum version um of the policy

[0:12:52] Voice 1: statement which i believe i think this should answer both both uh trustee getty and trustee

[0:12:59] Voice 1: Elliot's comment there in that we will have at our fingertips in this version, both the red line

[0:13:04] Voice 1: version of the policy statement, as well as in the sidebar comments, Trustee Getty's recommended

[0:13:10] Voice 1: revisions. Okay.

[0:13:14] Voice 1: So is that the chair's intent that we sort of move sequentially through the

[0:13:19] Voice 1: document and when we encounter anything that

[0:13:22] Trustee Patrick: any of the

[0:13:22] Voice 1: trustees wish to address, they can address

[0:13:23] Voice 1: that or indeed, if we encounter one of the sidebar recommendations for revision, we'll...

[0:13:30] Trustee Patrick: Without hearing an alternative view, yes, that's how we'll proceed.

[0:13:34] Trustee Patrick: So go ahead.

[0:13:36] Voice 1: Okay, well, let's just scroll until we come upon something that any trustees wish to discuss.

[0:13:43] Trustee Patrick: All right, so we're going to go kind of in order.

[0:13:45] Trustee Patrick: So I ask you to sort of stay in the order, not to bounce around too much,

[0:13:49] Trustee Patrick: so that we're proceeding down through the document.

[0:13:50] Trustee Patrick: And I see Trustee Boland.

[0:13:56] Voice 8: I might have been a bit too quick off the mark.

[0:13:59] Voice 8: I am concerned about the content around the definition, and maybe I'm a little too premature.

[0:14:13] Voice 8: So I sent an email some time ago where I raised the fact that in the 1998 version,

[0:14:23] Voice 8: version there was a very very informative um meaning of the mandate which has been removed

[0:14:31] Voice 8: and i feel that we need more than just what we have right now it's too bold and i think we're

[0:14:41] Voice 8: just we just should be more specific so the 1998 version uh the islands trust object and its meaning

[0:14:50] Voice 8: um refers to uh i'm just gonna quickly i have it here um it it takes each section to preserve and

[0:15:01] Voice 8: protect the area of the jurisdiction is established by such you know it's i won't i won't read it it's

[0:15:08] Voice 8: a very comprehensive but short or could be made shorter um piece of content that really talks

[0:15:16] Voice 8: about why we're here and what we're supposed to do and and I do think it

[0:15:22] Voice 8: should be there more than there is at the moment thanks so

[0:15:29] Trustee Patrick: are you talking

[0:15:29] Trustee Patrick: about part one 1.1 right at the opening of the document trustee Boland yeah yeah

[0:15:37] Voice 19: okay trustee Elliott so I don't agree this policy document the policy statement

[0:15:48] Voice 19: is a legislative bylaw. And we've heard that keeping everything simple so that the document

[0:16:02] Voice 19: can be read as a whole is important. And adding an interpretation of the day, such as why we are

[0:16:12] Voice 19: are here and what the mandate is for, I think confuses this as a legal tool. The question of

[0:16:25] Voice 19: the mandate and the interpretation of it will continue to be debated and discussed ad infinitum

[0:16:33] Voice 19: as long as Trust Council has this authority to preserve and protect the trust area of the

[0:16:40] Voice 19: the unique amenities in the environment. So I think keeping this document as simple as possible,

[0:16:46] Voice 19: perhaps appendices or addendums that would carry the interpretation of the day

[0:16:56] Voice 19: would be appropriate. And we're going to have implementation tables and ways that this

[0:17:03] Voice 19: tool is to be used. But I think we should keep it plain and clear and free of council's

[0:17:13] Voice 19: interpretation of the mandate thank you trustee morrison thank

[0:17:18] Voice 32: you in this particular case under

[0:17:20] Voice 32: 1.1 i i actually like it really simple like this because i think the document itself is the

[0:17:26] Voice 32: interpretation of the object the rest of the document so i'm happy to keep the actual just

[0:17:32] Voice 32: language from the act and that's it in this section um i guess one other thing we we kind

[0:17:38] Voice 32: kind of cruised past Trustee Getty's edit above.

[0:17:42] Voice 32: I like the edit, except I would have taken out the second instance of its unique amenities

[0:17:47] Voice 32: and environment, not the first, if that comes to motion at some point.

[0:17:53] Trustee Patrick: Okay, we'll finish this discussion and then we'll come back to the Trustee Getty's amendment

[0:17:57] Trustee Patrick: there.

[0:17:57] Trustee Patrick: She looks like she's ready to go on it.

[0:17:59] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Evans?

[0:18:02] Voice 9: I would be in favor of adding the original language back in here.

[0:18:06] Voice 9: I think stripping it out, especially given the confusion of the public as to what was happening,

[0:18:19] Voice 9: having that clarity in the document expresses why the document is the way that it is by removing it

[0:18:28] Voice 9: in its entirety. That actually opens this up to a much broader interpretation of how this is read

[0:18:35] Voice 9: and what is meant by having a separate document.

[0:18:39] Voice 9: I have enough problems trying to find any document.

[0:18:42] Voice 9: So going to try to find a separate document to this

[0:18:46] Voice 9: would be very difficult.

[0:18:49] Voice 9: Having it in the preamble, I think, is a good idea.

[0:18:54] Voice 9: So yeah, I'm in favor.

[0:19:00] Voice 9: We can make it briefer than what was in the original,

[0:19:04] Voice 9: but um also yeah i'll leave it there i

[0:19:09] Trustee Patrick: think i'll point also trust programs committee did

[0:19:12] Trustee Patrick: did vote on whether or not to change this and it did decide to leave it as is but um i do

[0:19:18] Trustee Patrick: understand the other questions there so trustee getty i'm

[0:19:24] Trustee Gedye: not sure if we're talking about 1.1

[0:19:26] Trustee Gedye: in the object or the preamble so the um my comment was that the first and second sentences

[0:19:34] Trustee Gedye: are repetitive except for the addition of a federated body so if we can somehow squeeze

[0:19:40] Trustee Gedye: that into uh the first or the set or the third sentence then and take out the the second sentence

[0:19:48] Trustee Gedye: all together that would i think help with clarity so

[0:19:55] Trustee Patrick: can you further detail what you were saying

[0:19:59] Trustee Patrick: there at the top

[0:20:00] Trustee Gedye: how you would wish to see it read okay um if it reads the first sentence and then

[0:20:05] Trustee Gedye: And the third sentence, the Islands Trust is a federated body.

[0:20:16] Trustee Gedye: Point of

[0:20:16] Voice 21: order, where are we now?

[0:20:19] Voice 21: We're just at the preamble of 1.1.

[0:20:23] Voice 21: So we're in 1.1.

[0:20:25] Voice 21: Above it.

[0:20:26] Voice 21: Part one, the Islands Trust Act.

[0:20:28] Voice 21: The paragraph above it.

[0:20:30] Voice 9: Can I ask that we deal with one item at a time?

[0:20:34] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:20:35] Voice 9: I

[0:20:35] Trustee Patrick: think we kind of are. I think I see this as one section. I think the conversation has been about this section and what more information needs to be here. So this is all sort of part of the preamble of the document. So I think we're in the same area. So proceed, Trustee Getty.

[0:20:57] Trustee Patrick: third

[0:20:59] Trustee Gedye: sentence the islands trust is a federated body responsible for an area comprised of 13

[0:21:06] Trustee Gedye: major islands and more than 450 smaller islands etc that's that's what you're recommending

[0:21:13] Trustee Patrick: how it

[0:21:14] Trustee Patrick: would read yes

[0:21:16] Trustee Gedye: so i'm just inserting federated body after the islands trust in the

[0:21:26] Trustee Gedye: the third sentence so

[0:21:30] Trustee Patrick: um that makes it

[0:21:32] Trustee Patrick: clear as mud i was gonna say staff what would should we

[0:21:35] Trustee Patrick: make motions on each of these amendments if we were to proceed with them uh go ahead uh staff

[0:21:45] Trustee Patrick: humans thank

[0:21:47] Voice 1: you chair yes for the for the purpose of tracking this i think each revision uh should

[0:21:52] Voice 1: have an individual motion associated with it uh so that committee of the whole uh recommend that

[0:21:59] Voice 1: that Trust Council revise the draft policy statement as follows.

[0:22:04] Voice 1: And in this case, by amending part one,

[0:22:08] Voice 1: the introductory sentences to part one as follows,

[0:22:11] Voice 1: and then whatever it is that Trustee Getty proposed.

[0:22:17] Trustee Fast: Or would it be executive committee as was before?

[0:22:21] Trustee Fast: I

[0:22:25] Voice 1: feel as though we've bounced between the two bodies.

[0:22:27] Voice 1: So I will defer to my senior staff.

[0:22:35] Voice 18: I can safely recommend it to Trust Council.

[0:22:37] Voice 18: We'll bring a clean version and a redline version to Trust Council,

[0:22:41] Voice 18: and Trust Council will ultimately make the decision.

[0:22:45] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:22:48] Trustee Patrick: So, Trustee Getty, are you prepared?

[0:22:50] Trustee Patrick: Are you going to write up a motion on that from what you have?

[0:22:55] Trustee Patrick: I'm not hearing from Trustee Getty at the moment.

[0:23:03] Trustee Patrick: So I'm going to proceed and we'll come back to that.

[0:23:06] Trustee Patrick: So, Trustee Yates?

[0:23:08] Voice 33: Thank you, Chair Patrick.

[0:23:09] Voice 33: Although I usually prefer brevity, I actually would like to have this included, following along the lines of what Trustee Evans just spoke about.

[0:23:22] Trustee Patrick: So you're looking for more information beyond 1.1?

[0:23:28] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:23:31] Voice 8: Okay, Trustee Boland?

[0:23:34] Voice 8: Thanks. I know it's my second go around, but just for clarity.

[0:23:38] Voice 8: what's in 1998 is a description not really in my view at least a definition it's more a sort of

[0:23:48] Voice 8: elaboration elaboration on the the elements of the act and I found it incredibly helpful and

[0:23:55] Voice 8: incredibly clear and much clearer than anything we've come up with since and I don't think it

[0:24:02] Voice 8: it would be very controversial, you know, I think it's actually quite helpful. So, you know, I do

[0:24:10] Voice 8: have it, you know, the extract that I think would be really useful. And I don't know if somebody

[0:24:19] Voice 8: could share the screen and show us that I can send it to staff. And they could share the screen

[0:24:27] Voice 8: with the content I'm talking about. I

[0:24:31] Trustee Patrick: was gonna say, I know we had this conversation at Trust

[0:24:33] Trustee Patrick: Programs Committee, and I believe staff discussed it before, and I don't know if they're in a

[0:24:36] Trustee Patrick: position to talk about what some of the challenges were with the previous staff. Is that staff

[0:24:41] Trustee Patrick: Yeomans? Sure.

[0:24:44] Voice 1: Sorry, only to say that I'm available to share anything that trustees request,

[0:24:49] Voice 1: but I'm also multitasking on three different screens simultaneously, so I may have missed

[0:24:53] Voice 1: what that specific request was.

[0:24:55] Trustee Patrick: I think it was looking for the language that came in the 1998

[0:24:59] Trustee Patrick: 1998 version sort of following the object of the act sort of a sort of a description of it and i

[0:25:04] Trustee Patrick: know director freighter i don't know if you're recalling or following what we're talking about

[0:25:08] Trustee Patrick: there was uh i know there was reasoning provided to the trust programs committee as to why that's

[0:25:16] Trustee Patrick: not here now um

[0:25:18] Voice 18: yes we can bring the 1980 1988 version on screen if it would be helpful i've

[0:25:23] Voice 18: provided the link to alexandra if you wish but certainly my advice previously was we had had

[0:25:27] Voice 18: some commentary from First Nations around some of the language in that

[0:25:30] Voice 18: section which we hadn't drafted to accommodate and we would want to talk to

[0:25:36] Voice 18: nations or you know potentially around that feedback or at least provide an

[0:25:40] Voice 18: opportunity to try and craft some of the language in a way that's responsive to

[0:25:43] Voice 18: the feedback so just that had been what I had suggested is that if it's to be

[0:25:48] Voice 18: included you might want to take a look at some of the feedback feedback that

[0:25:51] Voice 18: was provided which you can view in today's agenda just to ensure that you

[0:25:55] Voice 18: You know, you've taken that into consideration as you adopt these,

[0:25:58] Voice 18: re-adopt the language if you wish.

[0:26:02] Voice 18: So if you'd like to see the language that Trustee Boland's proposing,

[0:26:06] Voice 18: we could certainly bring up the current version of the policy,

[0:26:08] Voice 18: the current policy statement.

[0:26:11] Trustee Patrick: I think that would be helpful at this point.

[0:26:16] Trustee Patrick: So we're all looking at the, looking at and talking about the same thing.

[0:26:26] Trustee Patrick: Oh, that's an old document.

[0:26:29] Voice 18: I believe we're looking at page five.

[0:26:32] Voice 18: i

[0:26:47] Voice 8: think the original request to remove it was around um removing a lot of kind of background

[0:26:55] Voice 8: historical content and it it was sort of baby and bath water that it all went

[0:27:01] Voice 8: and um i believe it's actually quite valuable so it's not the history it's the

[0:27:07] Voice 8: yeah continue on down yeah page five as far as i remember

[0:27:18] Voice 8: Remember? Yeah. So if we could zoom in on this a little bit, I found this very helpful and very clear.

[0:27:28] Voice 8: And I was quite surprised when I went back to it. I thought, why did we get rid of this?

[0:27:33] Voice 8: It was extremely helpful.

[0:27:37] Trustee Patrick: All right. So now we have on the page what's here.

[0:27:40] Trustee Patrick: So I think that we're having conversations on whether or not something of this nature needs to be added back to the document.

[0:27:46] Trustee Patrick: I'm not

[0:27:50] Voice 31: 100% sure which paragraph we're looking at there, but nonetheless, I have a tendency

[0:27:56] Voice 31: to agree with the first two speakers that we should leave it as it is.

[0:28:04] Voice 31: And because we have spent so much time crafting this, removing advocacy and other opinion

[0:28:12] Voice 31: that is maybe that of this council's

[0:28:16] Voice 31: rather than that this being an everlasting document

[0:28:19] Voice 31: of policy that can be embraced

[0:28:22] Voice 31: by future councils and public.

[0:28:25] Voice 31: And we've already experienced when we're not careful

[0:28:30] Voice 31: about the wording that we use,

[0:28:32] Voice 31: it is misinterpreted by others.

[0:28:35] Voice 31: And remind everybody, this is first reading.

[0:28:38] Voice 31: There will be other opportunities to amend this

[0:28:41] Voice 31: if we get feedback from the public that this is not clear thank

[0:28:49] Trustee Patrick: you for that reminder we don't

[0:28:51] Trustee Patrick: need to seek perfection get something that we can get out trustee evans thank you

[0:28:57] Voice 9: um so if we scroll

[0:28:59] Voice 9: down a little bit it the the language that's in here is very much what we have been discussing

[0:29:09] Voice 9: as this Trust Council with the interpretation of the mandate.

[0:29:13] Voice 9: This is in line with the legal opinion that we released as well.

[0:29:19] Voice 9: And keeping this intact in the policy statement as we move forward,

[0:29:26] Voice 9: I think is a very important piece to maintain.

[0:29:30] Voice 9: As was previously mentioned, this got rewritten by staff.

[0:29:36] Voice 9: there was a lot of comments from First Nations on the rewritten sorry is somebody saying something

[0:29:43] Voice 9: no I think just somebody's background microphone is on sorry all right so that this got rewritten

[0:29:48] Voice 9: and handed over to First Nations who had a lot of comments on the rewrite of this section which

[0:29:54] Voice 9: is why it got pulled in its entirety but the comments that we had on

[0:29:59] Voice 9: on

[0:30:00] Voice 9: the original language was adding first nations in which we have done that has been added into

[0:30:05] Voice 9: the mandate this section needs to be updated to include that and the other portion was um

[0:30:11] Voice 9: regarding the leadership aspect and i have a motion that will hopefully address those two

[0:30:20] Voice 9: pieces and those were the primary um comments on the original language as i said there was a lot

[0:30:26] Voice 9: lot of comments on the rewrite which got pulled which i agree with but this original language

[0:30:36] Voice 9: speaks to previous councils and today this council is also in agreeance that this is still valid and

[0:30:47] Voice 9: our legal opinions also say also reflect this so i would like to see this in there to to reduce

[0:30:56] Voice 9: further confusion as we go down the line if this is removed this makes things more complicated

[0:31:04] Voice 9: for future councils not making things easier so when we get to that point i do have a motion and

[0:31:11] Voice 9: i'd like to come back to it thank you thank you trustee fast thank

[0:31:18] Trustee Fast: you chair um i uh we've had

[0:31:21] Trustee Fast: this conversation several times so i'll just repeat my previous talking points from trust

[0:31:27] Trustee Fast: programs committee and other times because i think this is a bylaw uh we can have all kinds

[0:31:33] Trustee Fast: of communications about bylaws uh over time whether it's uh use of streets or whatever it is

[0:31:42] Trustee Fast: there can be um communications put out even annually or seasonally um but this is the

[0:31:49] Trustee Fast: nuts and bolts. And we're asking for all kinds of nations, many nations and all kinds of members of

[0:31:59] Trustee Fast: our communities to look at it and have it be clear. And I think that keeping it in the simple

[0:32:10] Trustee Fast: way that's in the draft, perhaps with a clear recommended change of a word here or there or

[0:32:19] Trustee Fast: a sentence here or there, I would be open to that. But to add in a whole chunk of text

[0:32:24] Trustee Fast: at this meeting that most of us have not read, I happen to have my old copy here. And

[0:32:32] Trustee Fast: to me, it feels like going back, doing all this work, and then here at the last minute,

[0:32:39] Trustee Fast: we're going to go uh back to 1999 and uh i um i can't uh make a decision on adding it back in when

[0:32:49] Trustee Fast: i haven't read it in detail it hasn't been part of the draft and uh i think um that the bylaw itself

[0:32:56] Trustee Fast: is the interpretation uh depending on how um the trustees of the day view it the legal advice of

[0:33:03] Trustee Fast: of the day, the way society changes. And I, I agree with the first two speakers, I would like

[0:33:12] Trustee Fast: to not revisit this, adding in a whole big chunk of interpretive text at the beginning of a document.

[0:33:21] Trustee Fast: What does it mean? That's a communications tool. And that can be outside the topic. So I'm not in

[0:33:29] Trustee Fast: favor of adding this back in. I'm in agreement with the first couple of speakers that want to

[0:33:33] Trustee Fast: to keep this document lean and concise and as a bylaw then it can stand uh and uh people can

[0:33:43] Trustee Fast: understand it itself thank you thank

[0:33:48] Voice 19: you trustee elliot thank you chair i won't repeat my previous

[0:33:54] Voice 19: comments except to point out that there are significant issues with just reissuing this

[0:34:03] Voice 19: description. For instance, for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of the province

[0:34:09] Voice 19: generally, the last line, a balance must be established between the needs of all stakeholders.

[0:34:14] Voice 19: We know that Indigenous governing bodies are not stakeholders. There would need to be certain

[0:34:21] Voice 19: amendments if this would be included so that the rights and the needs of Indigenous communities

[0:34:31] Voice 19: Communities and governing bodies are separated and enshrined as per their inherent rights.

[0:34:41] Voice 19: So I do not support this. It is actually quite dated.

[0:34:46] Voice 19: There are certain terms in here that carry meanings that we are actively reinterpreting today,

[0:34:54] Voice 19: which the minister has asked us to address, speaking as a member of the Islands Trust Conservancy Board.

[0:35:02] Voice 19: Lord, we are currently about to engage with First Nations on the meaning and philosophy

[0:35:09] Voice 19: of conservation. And the word conservation is used quite a lot here. So there's a lot that may be

[0:35:18] Voice 19: clearer for some, and it's comforting. But I do agree that it's walking backwards.

[0:35:25] Voice 19: And we would need to have significant debate as to which words are kept,

[0:35:29] Voice 19: how that balance with First Nations Indigenous governing bodies is to respect their inherent

[0:35:35] Voice 19: rights, and I would not support any further additions to the current draft policy statement.

[0:35:42] Voice 19: Thank you. Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[0:35:47] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair. A couple of things on this proposal.

[0:35:51] Voice 6: proposal uh for one it um it circumvents uh previous expects press desires of Trust Council

[0:35:59] Voice 6: to make the document uh shorter and easier to read um also agree with comments this cannot be

[0:36:09] Voice 6: just subbed back in as written um the previous speaker mentioned a number of uh instances of

[0:36:16] Voice 6: problematic language that we cannot just re-add so this would need to be completely rewritten

[0:36:23] Voice 6: um certainly trust programs committee uh did get some staff advice on on this pit bit

[0:36:29] Voice 6: when um when when it was considered in in that committee i don't know if staff are in a position

[0:36:36] Voice 6: to reiterate uh briefly any of that advice that was given to a trust programs committee at the

[0:36:41] Voice 6: the time um but i think if we contemplate adding this back in at this late date um

[0:36:50] Voice 6: we're we're asking we're gonna we're by necessity we will uh have to rewrite it

[0:36:56] Voice 6: which is going to um that's going to eat uh significant staff time i think it may

[0:37:03] Voice 6: imperil our ability to consider a first reading um at the end of the month here

[0:37:08] Voice 6: um it i really hope that staff can and um maybe reiterate some of the advice that was given to

[0:37:16] Voice 6: trust programs committee because certainly before that meeting i had been more open to

[0:37:21] Voice 6: the notion of adding this back in um that that that advice and that discussion at trust programs

[0:37:28] Voice 6: committee certainly changed my mind um and i want to agree with um previous speakers

[0:37:34] Voice 6: speakers that uh to to remind us that this is we're at the stage of the project where we really

[0:37:43] Voice 6: need to consider getting a draft out the door out into engagement um we know that there will be

[0:37:49] Voice 6: revisions um following the engagement and also just reminding us that at our June Trust Council

[0:37:57] Voice 6: Council, we made an important step by including in the strategic plan as a top priority item,

[0:38:06] Voice 6: the notion that we're going to be committing to working with First Nations on further revisions

[0:38:14] Voice 6: to the policy statement. It is intended to be a living document. Let's not get stuck that we're

[0:38:20] Voice 6: We're carving this in stone to last forever.

[0:38:25] Voice 6: What we really need to do is get the bulk of the work.

[0:38:28] Voice 6: We have done an incredible amount of work.

[0:38:30] Voice 6: We need to get this out the door and moving.

[0:38:34] Voice 6: Otherwise, this is just going to turn over into next term and God forbid how long it

[0:38:38] Voice 6: might take.

[0:38:39] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:38:40] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:38:40] Trustee Patrick: Before I go to Trustee Graham, I'm just going to suggest that I do a quick straw poll because

[0:38:45] Trustee Patrick: that might give us an indication and help Trustee Evans to see if there's interest in

[0:38:49] Trustee Patrick: in proceeding with the motion or not,

[0:38:50] Trustee Patrick: if that's okay with everyone.

[0:38:51] Trustee Patrick: Is that okay with you, Trustee Graham, for a moment,

[0:38:53] Trustee Patrick: if you could lower your-

[0:38:53] Voice 27: That was actually my suggestion.

[0:38:56] Trustee Patrick: We're thinking on the same, so I'm just gonna,

[0:38:59] Trustee Patrick: this is a straw poll, so there's no, this isn't a vote,

[0:39:02] Trustee Patrick: but I'd like to see who's in favor of,

[0:39:06] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if the right wording here,

[0:39:08] Trustee Patrick: but adding this type of language back

[0:39:14] Trustee Patrick: into the draft policy statement.

[0:39:16] Trustee Patrick: So is that clear to everyone?

[0:39:17] Trustee Patrick: what I'm asking is, so if you're interested in putting this kind of language into the trust

[0:39:24] Trustee Patrick: policy statement, please raise your hands. I'm seeing three raising their hands. Okay,

[0:39:37] Trustee Patrick: lower your hands. Who's opposed to seeing this kind of language added to the draft?

[0:39:45] Trustee Patrick: There, I think the straw poll has spoken. Thank you, everyone. And I think at this point,

[0:39:52] Trustee Patrick: will proceed and if if anyone wants to feel brave to bring a motion in I think the conversations if

[0:40:00] Trustee Patrick: we're all right with doing straw polls like this and that helps us move through the document

[0:40:05] Trustee Patrick: so trustees will retire staff will return to the other screen trustee Getty did you have language

[0:40:12] Trustee Patrick: ready to go for your suggested edit yes I sent in a motion oh thank you so let's clear this up and

[0:40:21] Trustee Patrick: then keep proceeding.

[0:40:25] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead and read your motion

[0:40:27] Trustee Patrick: and we'll see if it makes sense

[0:40:28] Trustee Patrick: before it's seconded.

[0:40:28] Trustee Patrick: So

[0:40:28] Trustee Gedye: I move that the preamble

[0:40:29] Trustee Gedye: to section one be amended

[0:40:31] Trustee Gedye: to delete the second sentence

[0:40:32] Trustee Gedye: and amend the third sentence to read

[0:40:34] Trustee Gedye: the Islands Trust is a federated body

[0:40:36] Trustee Gedye: responsible for a trust area

[0:40:38] Trustee Gedye: comprised of 13 major islands

[0:40:40] Trustee Gedye: and more than 450 smaller islands

[0:40:42] Trustee Gedye: and the surrounding areas.

[0:40:45] Trustee Gedye: The sentence continues,

[0:40:46] Trustee Gedye: but I didn't write it all out.

[0:40:48] Trustee Patrick: All right, before that's seconded,

[0:40:50] Trustee Patrick: does that make sense to everyone?

[0:40:52] Trustee Patrick: one did they need to see the document back up you know we're kind of breaking in conversations back

[0:40:57] Trustee Patrick: and forth trustee evans um

[0:40:59] Voice 9: yeah i'd like to add a couple of extra words in here that got deleted

[0:41:03] Voice 9: from the first sentence if that's okay um so it's like um so it'd be the islands trust is a

[0:41:14] Voice 9: the federated body responsible for protecting the trust area comprised of i'm

[0:41:31] Trustee Patrick: looking to trustee

[0:41:32] Trustee Patrick: is that is it preserving and

[0:41:37] Trustee Patrick: protecting or are we adding more words back

[0:41:39] Trustee Patrick: into what we're taking out

[0:41:40] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[0:41:41] Trustee Gedye: so um the first i don't have it in front of me but the first sentence was that it's preserve

[0:41:48] Trustee Gedye: and protect the trust area here

[0:41:50] Trustee Patrick: it's coming back up just a second let's

[0:41:52] Trustee Gedye: see if we

[0:41:54] Trustee Patrick: can get it on top

[0:41:59] Trustee Patrick: split

[0:41:59] Trustee Gedye: screens there we

[0:42:00] Trustee Patrick: go so

[0:42:03] Trustee Gedye: uh governor of british columbia established islands trust

[0:42:06] Trustee Gedye: act to preserve and protect the islands trust area and its unique amenities and environment

[0:42:10] Trustee Gedye: against unrestrained growth and development and then omit the second sentence and the islands

[0:42:18] Trustee Gedye: the only difference in the first and second sentence is the federated body so i've just put

[0:42:24] Trustee Gedye: that into the third the islands trust is a federated body and the area the trust area

[0:42:30] Trustee Gedye: is comprised of 13 major islands all

[0:42:33] Trustee Patrick: right so that's what this amendment is making is doing

[0:42:36] Trustee Patrick: okay trustee evans makes sense okay motion back up then if uh if this is all understood then i'd

[0:42:43] Trustee Patrick: look for a second to this motion can we

[0:42:46] Voice 9: undo my can we undo

[0:42:47] Trustee Patrick: my sorry thank you yep all right

[0:42:54] Trustee Patrick: seconded by trustee

[0:42:55] Trustee Gedye: fast it is the sorry there is a proposition a there we go any discussion

[0:43:06] Trustee Patrick: sorry can we just

[0:43:11] Voice 8: check that it's reading properly the islands trust is a federated

[0:43:15] Voice 8: body responsible for the trust area okay fair enough yeah yeah apologies yeah that's all right

[0:43:24] Voice 8: trustee peterson i

[0:43:25] Voice 6: think it would be read uh read better as a federated body responsible for

[0:43:31] Voice 6: the trust area comma comprised of fair

[0:43:37] Trustee Patrick: enough easy all right do we agree that that's a i hate

[0:43:40] Trustee Patrick: using the word friendly amendment but it's already been seconded so um all right any discussion

[0:43:49] Trustee Patrick: i'll call the vote then all those in favor pretty clear go ahead and lower your hands

[0:44:08] Trustee Patrick: Still a couple of hands up there.

[0:44:18] Trustee Patrick: Lower your hands, please.

[0:44:23] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Morrison, Trustee Boland.

[0:44:24] Trustee Patrick: There we go.

[0:44:28] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Boland, your hand is still raised.

[0:44:29] Trustee Patrick: There we go.

[0:44:30] Trustee Patrick: Any opposed?

[0:44:31] Trustee Patrick: Sticky hands today.

[0:44:33] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[0:44:35] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:44:37] Trustee Patrick: So I appreciate everyone's patience.

[0:44:40] Trustee Patrick: This is going to be a slow go.

[0:44:42] Trustee Patrick: Maybe we'll pick up speed as we go here.

[0:44:44] Trustee Patrick: So we're going to, I guess, I'll look to staff.

[0:44:47] Trustee Patrick: we're going to just sort of move down through the document trustees please capture uh go ahead uh

[0:44:52] Trustee Patrick: staff humans yeah

[0:44:54] Voice 1: i just want to note chair that we did jump down to part one but trustee getty

[0:44:58] Voice 1: had a first proposed revision uh in the table of contents sure before we skip on past okay

[0:45:06] Trustee Patrick: trustee getty did you want to speak to your recommendation oh

[0:45:13] Trustee Gedye: you're muted the height of

[0:45:14] Trustee Gedye: pedantic okay so if we're talking about goals and directive and advisory policies

[0:45:20] Trustee Gedye: policies um keep the end in between goals and directive and advisory policies

[0:45:32] Trustee Gedye: it's a strike through through and this is like grammar sorry

[0:45:38] Trustee Patrick: staff humans sure

[0:45:42] Voice 1: in an effort to

[0:45:43] Voice 1: to shortcut the conversation unless everybody wants to engage in their grammatical debate um

[0:45:48] Voice 1: what if we just uh changed it to goals and policies for simplicity as it seems to it sort

[0:45:57] Voice 1: of reads awkwardly no matter what we do if we keep in directive and advisory so we just say

[0:46:02] Voice 1: goals and policies is

[0:46:06] Trustee Patrick: there anyone objecting to that do we need to make a motion to make that

[0:46:13] Trustee Patrick: amendment yes

[0:46:15] Voice 18: please all

[0:46:16] Trustee Patrick: right um

[0:46:19] Trustee Gedye: can we do it orally i think this is a pretty straight forward

[0:46:26] Trustee Gedye: word one all right

[0:46:27] Voice 23: go for it

[0:46:28] Trustee Gedye: part three of the um i can't remember what the name of this chart

[0:46:34] Trustee Gedye: is but uh contents

[0:46:36] Trustee Patrick: contents

[0:46:38] Trustee Gedye: uh goals and policies let

[0:46:47] Trustee Patrick: me give staff a second are you have wording

[0:46:50] Trustee Patrick: or are you wanting to second that trustee dobbs

[0:46:55] Voice 15: that's one share so i was seconding

[0:46:59] Voice 15: it i thought

[0:46:59] Voice 15: Okay. I

[0:47:01] Trustee Patrick: just was giving Alexandra a moment to catch the language. Do we have to have that

[0:47:17] Trustee Patrick: trust the committee of the whole recommend? I think there's some language that needs to be in

[0:47:22] Trustee Patrick: there.

[0:47:22] Voice 27: For a little while. I can. That would be great.

[0:47:25] Trustee Patrick: Is that trustee Graham? I think your

[0:47:27] Trustee Patrick: microphone's on.

[0:47:32] Voice 27: My apologies. I

[0:47:46] Voice 14: get some advice on when I'm taping. Is this looking right?

[0:47:53] Trustee Patrick: all right uh trustee getty is this wording seeing thumbs up and staff okay this makes sense

[0:48:08] Trustee Patrick: i'll look to staff to just jump in when we're doing things looks

[0:48:13] Voice 18: good all

[0:48:14] Trustee Patrick: right so trustee

[0:48:14] Trustee Patrick: getty go ahead and read this motion and then i think trustee dobbs is ready to second

[0:48:19] Trustee Gedye: okay i move that committee of the whole recommended trust council wording in part

[0:48:23] Trustee Gedye: three of the table of contents of the draft policy statement be changed to read

[0:48:27] Trustee Gedye: goals and practice policies sorry there

[0:48:30] Trustee Patrick: we go that's seconded by trustee dobbs is there any

[0:48:35] Trustee Patrick: discussion call the vote then all those in favor i think that one again is quite clear go ahead and

[0:48:51] Trustee Patrick: lower your hands just to be sure is there anyone opposed that carries okay your hand is still up

[0:49:03] Trustee Patrick: oh that's mine still up thank you uh trustee dobbs go ahead i

[0:49:08] Voice 4: have concern if we're going to do this

[0:49:10] Voice 4: 32 times we're not going to finish today well i'm just suggesting like the formal process of all the

[0:49:17] Voice 4: motions so i'm just concerned about how how the day is going to go just wanted to mention that

[0:49:24] Voice 4: thank you

[0:49:25] Trustee Patrick: i'm aware we'll do the straw polls back and forth when we have some conversations that for

[0:49:30] Trustee Patrick: clarity so that we don't thank you so i anyone can draw attention to that if we're having questions

[0:49:36] Trustee Patrick: to suggest a straw poll so that we can get some quick decisions um and it is kind of challenging

[0:49:42] Trustee Patrick: on the wording here as we go yeah

[0:49:44] Voice 4: it's the crafting of the motions that's going to yeah

[0:49:47] Voice 4: yeah

[0:49:48] Trustee Patrick: i agree okay so let's proceed forward and any trustees that have the next sections here that

[0:50:04] Trustee Patrick: But Trustee Peterson?

[0:50:06] Voice 6: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[0:50:07] Voice 6: I just wanted to draw attention to the CAO, as in the chat,

[0:50:14] Voice 6: said we may want to consider a brief break after this item.

[0:50:17] Voice 6: That would be great for me because I have to go check out.

[0:50:21] Trustee Patrick: Aha.

[0:50:22] Trustee Patrick: So, I mean, are people wanting to take a brief break now until 11 o'clock?

[0:50:25] Trustee Patrick: Would that work for everyone?

[0:50:29] Trustee Patrick: All right, then.

[0:50:30] Trustee Patrick: Let's take a – oh, sorry, Trustee Morrison?

[0:50:33] Voice 32: Yes, Chair, that sounds fine to me.

[0:50:35] Voice 32: i just want to also name that uh you know given timelines there you know some of us do have a few

[0:50:42] Voice 32: work related things today so it's the frustration of like the committee of the whole process for me

[0:50:47] Voice 32: so there are a few things i've sent in motions um we'll love to try and get to those at some point

[0:50:53] Voice 32: yep

[0:50:54] Trustee Patrick: no i think we'll pick up speed i hope uh now so let's take a break get your coffee so that we

[0:51:00] Trustee Patrick: go real quick so a break till 11.

[0:59:37] Voice 26: up on

[0:59:47] Voice 32: the bed going up on the bed

[0:59:51] Trustee Gedye: christy morrison you're unmuted

[1:01:07] Voice 25: right trustees are we back is

[1:01:29] Trustee Patrick: everyone back i'd like to keep things moving um just spoke with

[1:01:34] Trustee Patrick: staff they'll have a kind of the opening section will be i mean the we can we can a template for

[1:01:42] Trustee Patrick: the resolutions will be here for to make things easier as we go forward um and where we don't

[1:01:51] Trustee Patrick: differ in opinion i think we can just try to move through the edits quickly by we can clump some of

[1:01:56] Trustee Patrick: them as well just say as presented all right so are there any questions on section one three

[1:02:10] Trustee Patrick: seeing any i assume hopefully everyone is back let's move on to section one four i think there's

[1:02:15] Trustee Patrick: a number of questions uh suggestions here by you a trustee getty did you want to talk through those

[1:02:25] Trustee Patrick: oh you're muted you're still muted trustee getty all

[1:02:38] Trustee Gedye: right there

[1:02:38] Trustee Patrick: you go the

[1:02:39] Trustee Gedye: screen that's taking

[1:02:40] Trustee Gedye: over that I don't want up there okay I'm back in so comment cs3 I'm just gonna

[1:02:48] Trustee Gedye: suggest that we take that one off that's really very minor cs4 as well that's

[1:02:56] Trustee Gedye: very tiny at the very last sentence in that first paragraph the minister

[1:03:00] Trustee Gedye: responsible for the islands trust so it's like a minor typo comment number

[1:03:08] Trustee Gedye: CS 5 I can't find it so I have no idea what I'm talking about there I'll

[1:03:13] Trustee Gedye: withdraw that one as well and comment CS 6 another minor typo the guiding

[1:03:23] Trustee Gedye: principles number one part when the part two of the policy statement is not in

[1:03:30] Trustee Gedye: brackets and where is that and whereas part three and the directive policies

[1:03:39] Trustee Gedye: and advisory policies part 3 are in brackets so it's just replacing returning

[1:03:44] Trustee Gedye: the brackets in guiding principles bracket part 2 of the policy statement

[1:03:50] Trustee Gedye: minor typo sorry a little bit more substantive tiny bit in the advisory

[1:03:59] Trustee Gedye: policies comment CS 7 the it's a little bit confusing or a little bit awkward I

[1:04:07] Trustee Gedye: I think in terms of directive policies and advisory policies,

[1:04:10] Trustee Gedye: both have part three of the policy statement.

[1:04:13] Trustee Gedye: And I think it might be a little bit more helpful if also listed in part

[1:04:19] Trustee Gedye: three of the policy statement were included for advisory policies.

[1:04:24] Trustee Gedye: It's just a little direction.

[1:04:26] Trustee Gedye: So I don't think there's anything substantive there.

[1:04:31] Trustee Gedye: And I'm wondering if we need a motion.

[1:04:33] Trustee Gedye: looking

[1:04:37] Trustee Patrick: to staff if there's are these substantive edits that need motions generally

[1:04:53] Voice 18: yes we're

[1:04:54] Voice 18: looking for motions to change the document where a close bracket has been forgotten i think you

[1:04:59] Voice 18: can leave it to staff that will make that change but where you're actually making a change to a

[1:05:04] Voice 18: policy that's substantive in nature we'll do it but if you'd like to give explicit direction to

[1:05:08] Voice 18: us we'll certainly you know take that direction if you'd like to make a motion to amend

[1:05:13] Voice 18: end section by adding a closed bracket certainly you're welcome to okay

[1:05:21] Trustee Gedye: yes you need a motion

[1:05:25] Trustee Patrick: it looks like we need motions unless they're very minor and uh trustee evans did you have

[1:05:35] Trustee Patrick: something

[1:05:36] Voice 9: to add just a question so as i understand it from trustee getting she's withdrawing

[1:05:43] Voice 9: CS3 and CS5, keeping CS4 and CS6 and 7. But could I just ask for clarity, can you

[1:05:54] Voice 9: repeat what you said regarding CS7? I don't understand what you've written there and I

[1:05:59] Voice 9: didn't catch what you said.

[1:06:06] Trustee Gedye: All right. When you read number two,

[1:06:09] Trustee Gedye: directive policies, it says part three of the policy statement. And number three, advisory

[1:06:14] Trustee Gedye: Advisory policies also says part three of the policy statement, and I needed to scroll down and double check and do a little bit of extra finding in terms of whether or not there was a mistake, and they're both referring to the same policy or not.

[1:06:32] Trustee Gedye: it's not a mistake they are but i think in terms of wayfinding it's a little bit easier if we added

[1:06:39] Trustee Gedye: under say advisory policies also listed in part three of the policy statement just add the word

[1:06:47] Trustee Gedye: also or also listed okay

[1:06:56] Trustee Patrick: so is this clear enough that if the resolution were to read

[1:07:02] Trustee Patrick: make the changes as noted in Trustee Getty's

[1:07:08] Trustee Patrick: comments as numbered? Trustee Evans?

[1:07:13] Voice 9: I'll make the motion that it's

[1:07:16] Voice 9: that we accept, what was it again?

[1:07:24] Voice 9: CS4, CS6 and

[1:07:26] Voice 9: CS7 as noted.

[1:07:30] Trustee Patrick: As presented. I'll look to staff.

[1:07:33] Trustee Patrick: I know they were going to work on a template to make that a bit easier.

[1:07:40] Voice 18: Certainly, it makes it difficult for the public record.

[1:07:43] Voice 18: Your minutes will then appear to be lacking in transparency around what the changes are that are being recommended.

[1:07:53] Voice 18: So certainly, it might be easier if we were just simply to say, just, yeah, we're bringing something on screen for you now.

[1:08:01] Voice 14: Okay.

[1:08:02] Voice 18: I think it would be easier to spell it out.

[1:08:04] Voice 18: we will certainly try and help you with some efficiencies here as we can so in this circumstance

[1:08:10] Voice 18: perhaps um it would be it would read something like amend section 1.4 of the policy statement

[1:08:22] Voice 18: amending draft section 1.42 and then we've got it started at cs4 you were wanting to add the

[1:08:30] Voice 18: word the before minister no

[1:08:37] Trustee Patrick: let's add the islands trust isn't it if it's just the word the

[1:08:43] Trustee Patrick: the minister responsible for the islands trust uh back humans yes

[1:08:58] Voice 1: i was just going to note that

[1:08:59] Voice 1: uh under the islands trust and um director freighter may have to help me out with the

[1:09:05] Voice 1: name i want to say the islands trust style guide uh we are to never put the word the

[1:09:09] Voice 1: in front of islands trust it is always just islands trust great

[1:09:15] Trustee Patrick: okay leave it

[1:09:18] Trustee Patrick: all right so leave that one that

[1:09:22] Voice 15: was cs4 so cs6 yeah

[1:09:27] Trustee Patrick: this is just brackets

[1:09:32] Trustee Patrick: yeah or perhaps

[1:09:39] Voice 17: your motion you just say as add close brackets where required or where missing

[1:09:43] Voice 17: sure

[1:09:45] Voice 25: and

[1:09:53] Trustee Patrick: then for number three advisory policies it's saying also in rat isn't it

[1:09:59] Trustee Patrick: right

[1:10:04] Voice 23: yeah also

[1:10:04] Trustee Patrick: listed in so adding also listed in to the closed brackets

[1:10:14] Trustee Patrick: i think you just need quotes yeah i guess it's there

[1:10:29] Trustee Patrick: this

[1:10:33] Voice 23: is

[1:11:02] Trustee Patrick: a bit slow but confident we're going to pick up speed here

[1:11:06] Trustee Patrick: all right are you is that good enough do people understand this so

[1:11:31] Voice 18: it's just for part three

[1:11:32] Voice 18: it's just for the advisory

[1:11:34] Voice 15: policies yeah so for the second sorry chair just one moment

[1:11:38] Voice 15: for the second bullet undertaking both paragraphs two and three reference

[1:11:49] Voice 15: just for bullet three so chair getty for bullet three or sorry trustee getty for bullet

[1:12:00] Voice 15: Bullet three.

[1:12:05] Trustee Gedye: I'm chasing.

[1:12:06] Trustee Gedye: I'm not ever going to do this again.

[1:12:10] Voice 18: So it could read for just add the word also to bullet three.

[1:12:15] Voice 18: And staff will accomplish that.

[1:12:17] Trustee Gedye: Sure.

[1:12:26] Trustee Fast: What is bullet three?

[1:12:28] Trustee Fast: So on your

[1:12:30] Voice 18: advisory policies,

[1:12:31] Voice 18: we're wanting to add the word also in front of the words part three,

[1:12:35] Voice 18: just to make clear that they're also found in part three.

[1:12:37] Trustee Fast: Right.

[1:12:38] Trustee Fast: I just didn't

[1:12:39] Trustee Patrick: know what the bullet was.

[1:12:41] Trustee Patrick: It's advisory policies.

[1:12:43] Trustee Patrick: Are

[1:12:47] Voice 17: there other changes, Trustee Getty, to this section?

[1:12:51] Trustee Patrick: I think that's all we have left.

[1:12:55] Trustee Patrick: No more changes.

[1:12:57] Trustee Gedye: Well, this section.

[1:12:58] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:12:59] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Getty, do you want to make this motion?

[1:13:03] Trustee Gedye: Okay.

[1:13:06] Trustee Gedye: I move that Committee of the Whole recommend that Trust Council

[1:13:09] Trustee Gedye: revive the draft policy statement by amending draft sections 1.4

[1:13:13] Trustee Gedye: or to add bracket under three types of policies,

[1:13:19] Trustee Gedye: add brackets,

[1:13:20] Trustee Gedye: and then add the word also to bullet three advisory bill.

[1:13:24] Trustee Gedye: Excuse me.

[1:13:27] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:13:27] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Mayerly, are you seconding or making?

[1:13:31] Voice 23: Seconding the motion.

[1:13:31] Trustee Patrick: Seconding.

[1:13:32] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:13:33] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Mayerly.

[1:13:34] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[1:13:37] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then.

[1:13:38] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:13:48] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:13:48] Voice 12: He's 16.

[1:13:49] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:13:49] Trustee Patrick: Lower your hands.

[1:13:54] Trustee Patrick: Any opposed?

[1:13:55] Trustee Patrick: proposed all right any other comments on section 1.4 otherwise we'll proceed forward trustee elliott

[1:14:06] Voice 19: it's not a comment on 1.4 but okay can we prioritize discussion on content and then

[1:14:14] Voice 19: get back to grammar at the end of the meeting um because the committee of the whole is for

[1:14:22] Voice 19: substantive back and forth content discussion and i don't think doing grammar changes

[1:14:27] Voice 19: is in this way is going to help us. Thanks.

[1:14:31] Trustee Patrick: No, that's right. We're modifying as we go along.

[1:14:34] Trustee Patrick: We tried concurrence. It's going slow. So we can move forward with if that's fine with everyone

[1:14:38] Trustee Patrick: else, then we'll do a pass through looking more for content. Not seeing any disagreements. And

[1:14:49] Trustee Patrick: we're going to boldly go into part two. Trustee Evans.

[1:14:55] Voice 9: So I just have a suggestion in part two,

[1:14:58] Voice 9: like we're just like part two as a whole right okay yes okay um so i'm looking at 2.3

[1:15:08] Voice 9: well let's

[1:15:09] Voice 9: let's let's go

[1:15:09] Trustee Patrick: in order then is there anything in 2.1 not seeing 2.2 trust d elliott i

[1:15:24] Trustee Patrick: think for 2.2 i

[1:15:30] Voice 19: don't think we can make changes at this point but there has been considerable

[1:15:34] Voice 19: discussion about um the current draft um which is amended from the initial draft in may and

[1:15:45] Voice 19: we should really make some time to discuss um inform versus other more active verbs but i don't

[1:15:56] Voice 19: think we can at this point but just letting community members know if anybody's watching

[1:16:01] Voice 19: that uh i think this is still a live question for this council okay

[1:16:06] Trustee Patrick: so two three now over to

[1:16:09] Trustee Patrick: trustee evans oh sorry trustee morrison you

[1:16:14] Voice 32: know i sent a motion in for um what was it now two three

[1:16:20] Voice 32: four or two three i don't know the numbers i'm a little bit off here

[1:16:26] Trustee Patrick: section two three

[1:16:27] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[1:16:28] Voice 32: it's work towards strategic interagency coordination that one all right

[1:16:34] Voice 9: um you know

[1:16:35] Voice 9: know trustee i just share patrick so

[1:16:38] Trustee Patrick: you had a question on two three as well yes

[1:16:42] Voice 9: so i had i had

[1:16:43] Voice 9: i had a question on two three three two three four and two three five which was can we remove

[1:16:52] Voice 9: work towards in each of those titles because the very next wording is to work towards in each of

[1:17:00] Voice 9: of those three categories which is very repetitive and as a title it might not be required in those

[1:17:07] Voice 9: three instances collaborative government with indigenous governing bodies strategic interrelation

[1:17:13] Voice 9: coordination and accessible and inclusive public coordination engagement are still sound

[1:17:20] Voice 9: standalone titles that was what i wanted to open up for discussion and i'm not sure which motion

[1:17:28] Voice 9: trustee morrison was bringing forward so i just wanted to have that on the table as we walk into

[1:17:33] Voice 9: her motion all

[1:17:37] Trustee Patrick: right trustee morrison does that if that doesn't affect does that affect yours

[1:17:40] Voice 21: no so

[1:17:41] Trustee Patrick: let's have a general question that for three four and five in that section

[1:17:45] Trustee Patrick: you're suggesting we just take

[1:17:46] Voice 21: the

[1:17:47] Trustee Patrick: work towards out of those titles uh trustee elliott

[1:17:51] Trustee Patrick: or is that i'm

[1:17:55] Voice 19: in on that i am in support of that and i do have a motion for two three three if

[1:18:00] Voice 19: we're going in order okay

[1:18:03] Trustee Patrick: we'll try to we'll try to go in order best we can on these sections but

[1:18:07] Trustee Patrick: patience is uh requested uh trustee fast um

[1:18:11] Trustee Fast: thank you chair i'm uh opposed to changing the titles

[1:18:15] Trustee Fast: these are action titles they have a verb at the beginning uh and that's by design um i think also

[1:18:22] Trustee Fast: Also, that this is minor, and I want to get this first draft out to the public, and I

[1:18:27] Trustee Fast: think by having an active heading, it'll help everybody grasp what it's about, and I think

[1:18:33] Trustee Fast: it's minor edits that we can do in a later draft after first reading.

[1:18:38] Trustee Fast: I don't think we should take time on it.

[1:18:39] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:18:40] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:18:41] Trustee Patrick: If you would indulge me, Trustee Evans, let's do a quick straw poll, if that would be all

[1:18:46] Trustee Patrick: right, unless you want to argue back on that, but I think if we can keep things moving.

[1:18:50] Trustee Patrick: I do, actually.

[1:18:51] Trustee Patrick: you want to what speak on that yeah because only

[1:18:56] Voice 9: three of them have those action and three don't

[1:18:58] Voice 9: so either they should all have it or none for consistency but

[1:19:04] Trustee Fast: the other ones have verbs

[1:19:05] Trustee Fast: provide collaborate etc thank you so

[1:19:10] Voice 9: it's collaborate collaborate and i'm recommending

[1:19:12] Voice 9: collaborate no the wording would be

[1:19:16] Trustee Patrick: more because it's not it's it's collaborative governance the

[1:19:21] Voice 9: The first one is collaborate with the Ireland's Trust Conservancy Board.

[1:19:24] Trustee Patrick: No, I understand that.

[1:19:25] Trustee Patrick: But if you go to 2.3, if you were to remove work towards,

[1:19:29] Trustee Patrick: it would be collaborative governance.

[1:19:33] Trustee Patrick: Then

[1:19:33] Voice 9: it could be, yeah.

[1:19:35] Voice 9: And it says collaborative.

[1:19:38] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:19:39] Trustee Patrick: I hear

[1:19:40] Trustee Patrick: you, but let's do a quick straw poll.

[1:19:42] Trustee Patrick: Is there interest in removing the work towards in section 2, 3, 3, 4, and 5?

[1:19:48] Trustee Patrick: to remove the words work towards if you would be wanting to remove those words please raise your

[1:19:55] Trustee Patrick: hands oh okay trustee evans i think we're going to keep proceeding okay so if we're moving in order

[1:20:10] Trustee Patrick: uh trustee uh elliot you had one before you had number three two point

[1:20:16] Voice 19: three point three okay

[1:20:17] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair. So, the goal is, and 2.3.3 for me, would be to separate the action of building strong relationships from building a foundation or working towards building a foundation for collaborative governance with Indigenous governing bodies.

[1:20:37] Voice 19: So, I do have a motion, if that could come on screen, and I don't think it would change the intent of it, but it would read now, if it was adopted,

[1:20:56] Voice 19: to develop strong relationships with Indigenous governing bodies, comma, and work toward building

[1:21:02] Voice 19: foundations for collaborative governance with Indigenous governing bodies, comma, including

[1:21:07] Voice 19: through the development of and continuing on. So the active part is developing strong relationships.

[1:21:14] Voice 19: I think that intent should be stronger and building to work towards building a strong

[1:21:23] Voice 19: foundation for collaborative governance with regard to how we might govern together thank you

[1:21:32] Trustee Patrick: trustee getty did you i'm ready to second aha so trustee elliott if you want to go ahead and

[1:21:38] Trustee Patrick: make that motion and we'll i

[1:21:41] Voice 19: move that committee of the whole recommended trust council that

[1:21:44] Voice 19: cooperation principle 2.2.3 work towards collaborative governance with indigenous

[1:21:49] Voice 19: governing bodies be amended by replacing the words work towards building strong

[1:21:55] Voice 19: relationships with the words develop strong relationships with Indigenous

[1:21:59] Voice 19: governing bodies and work toward building be added before foundations for

[1:22:04] Voice 19: collaborative governance with Indigenous governing bodies before

[1:22:07] Trustee Patrick: I second it by

[1:22:08] Trustee Patrick: treaty by trustee Getty I just want to look at the staff this is the wording

[1:22:12] Trustee Patrick: this okay the number's wrong 2

[1:22:15] Trustee Gedye: .3.3 ah

[1:22:19] Voice 18: sorry

[1:22:21] Trustee Patrick: was there any comment from staff

[1:22:24] Voice 18: simply to add the

[1:22:25] Voice 18: words um in the draft policy statement ah

[1:22:28] Trustee Patrick: in the draft policy statement does that work okay

[1:22:41] Trustee Patrick: uh so that's seconded by trustee getty thank you any discussion call the vote then all those in

[1:22:51] Trustee Patrick: favor C

[1:23:02] Voice 12: 16 in favor okay

[1:23:03] Trustee Patrick: lower your hands any opposed that carries okay trustee Morrison

[1:23:15] Voice 32: all right if I can have the motion not thank you look at you you're super fast um all right so

[1:23:25] Voice 32: um I'm gonna um I won't put the motion on the table yet I'll just talk to it briefly but this

[1:23:31] Voice 32: is the motion that you see in front of you that I'd like to forward um if people are game for it

[1:23:36] Voice 32: really it just adds the last four words onto this um piece and promoting adaptive resilience and

[1:23:43] Voice 32: this is in lieu of adding something in the last section of the document i consulted staff about

[1:23:49] Voice 32: this um and in the very last section of the trust policy statement we talk about um emissions and

[1:23:58] Voice 32: pollutants and we don't really address so that's the mitigation component of climate change

[1:24:05] Voice 32: But we don't really have a clear statement about adaptation, which is the other sort of half of climate change. And so I would like to include the four words and promoting adaptive resilience, because we're really doing a lot of that work as interagency cooperation. So I think it fits here. So I'd like to go ahead and move this motion, but Chair, I'll look to you to see what's the process here.

[1:24:28] Trustee Patrick: Sure, I'll just look to Trustee Evans. Did you have comments on the wording or questions for clarification?

[1:24:33] Trustee Patrick: yes

[1:24:33] Voice 9: um could i i'm sorry i i don't understand the words promoting adaptive resilience what does that

[1:24:40] Voice 9: mean so

[1:24:42] Voice 32: literally just what those words mean so adaptation and resilience in the face of

[1:24:48] Voice 32: changing climate so and we do this in a thousand ways all the time it just puts it more specifically

[1:24:56] Voice 32: we could add in language to clarify but there is no simple way of saying that really so

[1:25:03] Voice 32: So, like, this is it.

[1:25:05] Voice 32: This is the simplest way.

[1:25:06] Voice 32: I

[1:25:07] Voice 9: don't understand.

[1:25:08] Voice 9: Could you explain it to me?

[1:25:11] Voice 9: That's why I'm asking the question.

[1:25:12] Voice 9: I don't understand what this means.

[1:25:13] Voice 9: What are the implications of this?

[1:25:15] Voice 9: What does that mean?

[1:25:16] Voice 32: So an example would be don't build houses below 1.5 meters elevation.

[1:25:21] Voice 32: That's adaptive resilience so that we don't end up getting flooding from high water levels.

[1:25:27] Voice 32: So it's highly variable how it will play out in people's bylaws.

[1:25:31] Voice 32: But it's a range of different types of land use policies that allow us to be adaptive to, and maybe Steph, a member of Yeomans, could sort of add into this a little bit.

[1:25:43] Voice 32: I see. Go ahead.

[1:25:46] Trustee Patrick: No, I

[1:25:47] Voice 1: don't think I have much to add about the subject of adaptive resilience, but more about the intent of this policy, which is to say, if it is about collaborating with other agencies, then it's more appropriate in this, in the guiding principles, in the collaborative principles section of the document.

[1:26:03] Voice 1: But if it is about using the land use planning authorities that a local trust committee or an island municipality has to better be resilient and adaptive to climate change, then a directive policy may be the appropriate place for it.

[1:26:18] Voice 1: And so the way it was initially framed for me, I thought it was maybe more about collaboration than about LTC powers.

[1:26:25] Voice 1: But if it is, in fact, about LTC's land use planning powers, then a directive policy in 3.5, Section 3.5 may actually be the better place for it.

[1:26:34] Voice 32: No, so I don't want to get us on a side tangent. So this is about collaboration.

[1:26:39] Voice 32: I will later propose a different piece to add around the actual LTC related adaptive piece.

[1:26:45] Voice 32: but this is about so part of the work we have to do in collaboration for doctors resilience is we

[1:26:52] Voice 32: have to share information with um other agencies to be able to understand our water signature we

[1:26:58] Voice 32: have to do a wide range of types of coordination um you know coordinate with viha about gray water

[1:27:06] Voice 32: treatment or different kinds of things that other agencies are in charge of but that might impact

[1:27:13] Voice 32: hacked some of like interplay with our work so there is a coordination component of it all right

[1:27:20] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much trustee elliot i

[1:27:24] Voice 19: okay um i do think this edition changes the intent of the

[1:27:32] Voice 19: cooperation principle it's trying to describe because if we are to describe everything that

[1:27:39] Voice 19: would be an outcome of cooperating with other agencies then reconciliation um would obviously

[1:27:46] Voice 19: have to be included. So I think the cooperation principle should describe what we are to do,

[1:27:56] Voice 19: not what the goal of our working together would produce. And promoting adaptive resilience

[1:28:03] Voice 19: is a goal. And so I think that belongs with climate change goals or other goals.

[1:28:09] Voice 19: So I cannot support the motion.

[1:28:12] Trustee Patrick: There's no motion on the floor. It hasn't been seconded yet.

[1:28:15] Trustee Patrick: Yep. Trusty Yeti. You're muted.

[1:28:21] Trustee Gedye: Yep. Sorry. Very similar comments.

[1:28:25] Trustee Gedye: I think that it's an important principle and we need to find a better home for it.

[1:28:30] Trustee Gedye: So this is there's any number of different topics and this might be a priority.

[1:28:39] Trustee Gedye: But, you know, I think that it's it's in the wrong place.

[1:28:43] Trustee Gedye: I'm not sure. And I'm trying to scroll through the others and see whether or not there's a better place for it.

[1:28:47] Trustee Gedye: But similar comments to Trustee Elliott.

[1:28:55] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Morrison.

[1:28:56] Voice 32: Yeah, so I think that's good points made.

[1:29:01] Voice 32: And I'll bring the motion forward about where I do think there's a more detailed language under the section,

[1:29:08] Voice 32: which I'm hoping to rename, around directive policies, emissions, and pollutants,

[1:29:11] Voice 32: because I think that's a little bit more specific to this.

[1:29:14] Voice 32: And then we can put an adaptation in there.

[1:29:16] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[1:29:17] Trustee Patrick: This is good conversations. So is there any into two, three under the cooperative principles,

[1:29:25] Trustee Patrick: cooperation principles? Are there any other comments in this section? Let's move on then to

[1:29:37] Trustee Patrick: all the way to part three. Are we ready for part three? Okay. Goal one. We'll just sort of

[1:29:46] Trustee Patrick: move down through the page, please. So we have reconciliation, directive policies

[1:29:53] Trustee Patrick: under reconciliation, advisory policies under reconciliation.

[1:30:02] Trustee Patrick: for trustees to wave down in any conversations into goal two then all right

[1:30:07] Voice 9: trustee evans i don't

[1:30:11] Voice 9: know if i can say this here i know that there are those comments but we had received counsel on this

[1:30:19] Voice 9: prior so i'll leave it at that with regards to the wording that was chosen in there that was

[1:30:24] Voice 9: specifically chosen to answer the question that's in the comments our

[1:30:31] Trustee Patrick: oh you mean trustee getty's

[1:30:32] Trustee Patrick: We're focusing on content at this moment, so we'll return back.

[1:30:37] Trustee Patrick: We're going to run through on content.

[1:30:39] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Elliott?

[1:30:41] Voice 19: I think this is important content to debate, actually.

[1:30:45] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:30:45] Voice 19: So the point that Trustee Getty raised, 3.1.3, land back.

[1:30:53] Voice 19: Which comment number is that one?

[1:30:55] Voice 19: CS9.

[1:30:57] Voice 19: CS9?

[1:30:58] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:31:01] Voice 19: I just would think we should discuss it at this point.

[1:31:06] Voice 19: It's not a grammar issue, is it?

[1:31:11] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Getty, did you want to talk about your comment nine?

[1:31:26] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Getty, you're muted.

[1:31:29] Trustee Gedye: Sorry.

[1:31:30] Trustee Gedye: Triggering event is when an applicant is seeking additional development potential.

[1:31:34] Trustee Gedye: So I'm thinking that that is something that should be identified at the beginning of this paragraph.

[1:31:44] Trustee Gedye: And that then what we need to consider and put possibly as a priority is that we must engage with Indigenous Governors' bodies and select opportunities to direct land to those bodies as an amenity contribution.

[1:32:08] Trustee Gedye: contribution so I just think it helps when just to clarify that this is one way that we can

[1:32:19] Trustee Gedye: contribute to the land back policy I

[1:32:27] Trustee Patrick: see some comments up there trustee Boland I

[1:32:33] Voice 8: wonder whether

[1:32:35] Voice 8: we need anything that references a triggering event so-called because there could be a range

[1:32:42] Voice 8: range of opportunities which we don't really know yet and i'm also thinking additional development

[1:32:49] Voice 8: potential i mean we have uh you know theoretically laid out the capacity of the subdivision potential

[1:32:58] Voice 8: so i don't really know what additional means in that context whether it's just a normal subdivision

[1:33:05] Voice 8: request or some you know uplift on what might have been considered normal so i would suggest

[1:33:12] Voice 8: just a full stop after as an amenity contribution full stop thanks all right

[1:33:20] Trustee Patrick: trustee maberly

[1:33:24] Voice 24: yeah thank you um i actually agree with trustee getty on this one um using the phrase of um

[1:33:31] Voice 24: seeking additional development potential at the beginning

[1:33:35] Voice 24: adds more clarity to it.

[1:33:37] Voice 24: I mean, I think this is an important section

[1:33:40] Voice 24: of an advisory policy on reconciliation.

[1:33:44] Voice 24: So I agree with the amendment,

[1:33:48] Voice 24: even though there's not a motion yet.

[1:33:50] Voice 24: I will second it.

[1:33:50] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:33:51] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Getty?

[1:33:53] Trustee Gedye: Well, if there's more than one triggering event,

[1:33:57] Trustee Gedye: so the amenity contribution actually is tied

[1:34:00] Trustee Gedye: with additional development potential.

[1:34:02] Trustee Gedye: potential um so that's the only time that it kicks in basically but if we're talking about

[1:34:07] Trustee Gedye: the possibility of any number of other opportunities then yeah take out put the

[1:34:13] Trustee Gedye: period at the end of um direct land to indigenous governance governing bodies period all right i'd

[1:34:25] Trustee Patrick: look to staff i guess that's a question is this is additional development potential the only um

[1:34:34] Trustee Patrick: triggering event, as the words have been used? Go ahead, Staff Humans.

[1:34:45] Voice 1: It's a big world, so I don't know that I can anticipate all potential triggering events,

[1:34:49] Voice 1: but when thinking about a local trust committee or island municipalities' land use planning powers,

[1:34:58] Voice 1: an application for rezoning to increase density is, if not the only, at least one of few

[1:35:04] Voice 1: few opportunities where the local trust committee can negotiate some sort of community benefit,

[1:35:11] Voice 1: right? In exchange, you know, a landowner comes to you and would like something that

[1:35:16] Voice 1: is going to result in some sort of profitability for them. You have the opportunity to negotiate

[1:35:21] Voice 1: some benefit to your community through that process. And so, you know, we identified that

[1:35:26] Voice 1: as a potential triggering event under your land use planning powers. But as this is an advisory

[1:35:32] Voice 1: policy, it could apply to all manner of opportunities that may arise out in your

[1:35:40] Voice 1: community apart from your local trust committee's land use planning authorities, right? So that

[1:35:46] Voice 1: there may be, you know, a community organization that is working to raise money to buy some land,

[1:35:54] Voice 1: which they would then return to an Indigenous governing body that has an interest in that

[1:35:58] Voice 1: that island. And you as a trustee, or you as a local trust committee can lend some sort of

[1:36:04] Voice 1: symbolic support to that initiative. So I don't think that answers the question. But there will

[1:36:09] Voice 1: be few opportunities under your land use planning powers where you will get to directly engage in

[1:36:14] Voice 1: in this sort of thing. But there may be all sorts of opportunities that arise in your in your broader

[1:36:18] Voice 1: community. Thank

[1:36:21] Voice 19: you, Trustee Elliott. Well, you just answered my question. Since it is an advisory

[1:36:29] Voice 19: policy, I would suggest we keep it as open as possible and support putting the period after

[1:36:35] Voice 19: as an amenity contribution. Thank you. Trustee Morrison?

[1:36:45] Voice 32: And I think this is relevant to this

[1:36:48] Voice 32: conversation. Sorry, I'm getting a little tied up in the different pros and cons of things here,

[1:36:52] Voice 32: but it does look like we also have advisory policies under 3.311 that kind of cover a

[1:37:00] Voice 32: broader scoping of options for how to support Indigenous protected or conserved areas. And

[1:37:09] Voice 32: maybe that's too narrow, but there is other language in other places that also add, you know,

[1:37:16] Voice 32: specific supports.

[1:37:20] Trustee Patrick: Okay, Trustee Peterson. Trustee Peterson? Don't know what happened to

[1:37:34] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Peterson. Go on to Trustee neighbourly.

[1:37:40] Voice 24: Yeah, thank you. So in this circumstance, and

[1:37:44] Voice 24: And while I acknowledge there are a lot of other instances

[1:37:48] Voice 24: where supporting land back to First Nations is appropriate,

[1:37:55] Voice 24: the reality is in most of our work,

[1:37:59] Voice 24: we're working with developers who are seeking something additional.

[1:38:03] Voice 24: And I think it's, you know, defining that here is appropriate.

[1:38:10] Voice 24: appropriate um we're actually going through the process on galliano right now um in exactly this

[1:38:17] Voice 24: way and um so i i you know i think removing um application seeking additional development

[1:38:26] Voice 24: potential um by and large this is the meat of what we does when developers come to our communities so

[1:38:33] Voice 24: i think land back is an important part so i like i say i agree with trustee getty's amendment to

[1:38:39] Voice 24: this because i think for me when i read it in the way that she put it it was clearer in my mind

[1:38:45] Voice 24: but um however this works out there that's you know that's sort of my opinion on on keeping it

[1:38:53] Trustee Patrick: all right thank you trustee peterson do you are you back again

[1:39:02] Trustee Patrick: not well try it again

[1:39:04] Voice 6: okay yeah i'm sorry i'm just having trouble using the the phone interface here

[1:39:09] Voice 6: I was just going to,

[1:39:10] Voice 6: okay, I just wanted to lend support of the notion of keeping the options as open as possible in terms of circumstances where land back might be appropriate.

[1:39:25] Voice 6: And I apologize for the connection here.

[1:39:26] Voice 6: I'm just about to get into a better situation to get back on my computer.

[1:39:31] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:39:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:39:33] Trustee Fast: Trustee Faust?

[1:39:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair.

[1:39:36] Trustee Fast: I'm appreciating this conversation.

[1:39:38] Trustee Fast: I really like having the activity land back as an advisory policy.

[1:39:46] Trustee Fast: I have an alternative solution, and that is after the words Indigenous Governing Bodies, add a comma, including as an amenity contribution.

[1:39:59] Trustee Fast: So it would be basically inserting comma, including after the words Indigenous governing bodies, so that nothing is lost, but the opportunities to provide letters of support or ensure that public access is there, even if something might happen years in the future, or any of the other things that I'm speaking now as a municipal trustee as well.

[1:40:27] Trustee Fast: we have a few other tools and it would be helpful to have this in the directive sorry in the trust

[1:40:32] Trustee Fast: policy statement for future councils and I think if other island municipalities come to pass

[1:40:42] Trustee Fast: that might be useful so just a slightly different slant on it not all of us are local trust

[1:40:47] Trustee Fast: committees and I think it's really valuable to have it here so I'm proposing comma including

[1:40:55] Trustee Fast: including after Indigenous governing bodies, over.

[1:40:58] Trustee Fast: All right, we've had a couple of

[1:41:00] Trustee Patrick: different options here.

[1:41:03] Trustee Patrick: Is there any preference to how to proceed?

[1:41:06] Trustee Patrick: We've heard removing after amenity contribution.

[1:41:12] Trustee Patrick: We've heard this option from Trustee Fass to say including amenity contributions.

[1:41:20] Voice 8: Trustee Boland?

[1:41:21] Voice 8: I'm just wondering if we could insert the words for example or including but not what's the word

[1:41:30] Voice 8: limited to yeah including but not limited to exactly yeah all

[1:41:39] Trustee Patrick: right do we have a preference

[1:41:41] Trustee Patrick: on direction here trustee fast um

[1:41:45] Trustee Fast: I'll make the motion um that committee of the whole recommend

[1:41:50] Trustee Fast: to trust council that in item 3.1.3 that a comma a quote open quote comma including but not limited

[1:42:09] Trustee Fast: to close quote be inserted after the words indigenous governing bodies in the draft

[1:42:19] Trustee Fast: policy statement over yes let's give alexander

[1:42:27] Trustee Patrick: a moment yeah

[1:42:28] Voice 15: i just had this template so i was

[1:42:30] Voice 15: wondering if we could do it differently to policy to read yes

[1:42:33] Trustee Patrick: please do yep there's so just checking

[1:42:37] Voice 15: it's after the second indigenous governing bodies including but not limited to

[1:42:43] Voice 15: yes

[1:42:45] Trustee Patrick: amenity

[1:42:47] Voice 15: contributions oh

[1:42:48] Trustee Patrick: and then you wanted a period no oh in application seeking additional

[1:42:54] Trustee Patrick: development potential leave it that way yeah it's included but not limited to gotcha gotcha gotcha

[1:43:01] Trustee Patrick: got you got you i'll

[1:43:03] Voice 8: second that well

[1:43:05] Trustee Patrick: let's uh let me look to is it does this make sense to

[1:43:09] Trustee Patrick: everyone before we second anything

[1:43:12] Voice 26: i think it's

[1:43:22] Trustee Patrick: just you're adding the words so you need to quote

[1:43:25] Trustee Patrick: including would have an open a quote quote or wait oh

[1:43:32] Voice 21: you're you're having how it will read

[1:43:34] Voice 21: you

[1:43:34] Trustee Fast: could put a comma after the word not limited to you could put a comma after that

[1:43:41] Trustee Fast: if you think it would be clear is that clearer oh i'm not english

[1:43:52] Trustee Patrick: a grammatical good does this work

[1:43:57] Trustee Patrick: i'm looking for the boardroom anyone does this make sense i'm

[1:44:01] Trustee Fast: i'm moving i move that committee

[1:44:04] Trustee Fast: the whole recommend to trust council revised the draft policy statement by amending policy 3.1.3

[1:44:11] Trustee Fast: to read, through engagement with Indigenous governing bodies, support opportunities to

[1:44:17] Trustee Fast: direct land to Indigenous governing bodies, including, but not limited to, amenity contributions

[1:44:23] Trustee Fast: in applications seeking additional development potential.

[1:44:28] Trustee Fast: All right.

[1:44:28] Trustee Fast: Is

[1:44:29] Trustee Patrick: that seconded by Trustee Boland?

[1:44:30] Trustee Patrick: Were you seconding that?

[1:44:31] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:44:32] Trustee Patrick: Seconded.

[1:44:33] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[1:44:38] Trustee Patrick: Not seeing any discussion.

[1:44:39] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then.

[1:44:41] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:44:46] Trustee Fast: sorry my hand is up I just can't find it

[1:44:52] Voice 12: lower

[1:44:54] Trustee Fast: your hands any

[1:45:01] Trustee Patrick: opposed all

[1:45:06] Voice 12: right

[1:45:08] Trustee Patrick: that carries

[1:45:10] Trustee Patrick: then all right we're still what section are we in any other comments in this section then

[1:45:24] Trustee Patrick: trustee

[1:45:28] Voice 19: Elliott thank you so the next one 3.1.4 respecting indigenous protocols for

[1:45:36] Voice 19: information and data provided, do we have any directive or advisory policies about exploring

[1:45:44] Voice 19: or developing opportunities for information sharing with Indigenous bodies, governing

[1:45:50] Voice 19: bodies, and could that be added here?

[1:46:00] Voice 19: So the wording would be explore opportunities or engage with Indigenous governing bodies

[1:46:06] Voice 19: on opportunities for data and information sharing while respecting their protocols about how their

[1:46:15] Voice 19: data and information should be collected protected used and shared um

[1:46:27] Voice 25: i

[1:46:32] Trustee Patrick: don't know if anyone can

[1:46:33] Trustee Patrick: answer that stuff or how does that change really what's written here my

[1:46:41] Voice 18: i'll just i'll jump in

[1:46:43] Voice 18: here my inclination would be to make that a separate policy rather than put the two concepts

[1:46:47] Voice 18: together in one, that you might want to have a separate policy around information exchanging

[1:46:55] Voice 18: and data exchanging, and then have one policy specific to honoring Indigenous protocols around

[1:47:01] Voice 18: how that information is treated.

[1:47:05] Trustee Patrick: I think I tend to agree. There are two concepts. This is

[1:47:10] Trustee Patrick: how we use it.

[1:47:13] Voice 18: I would also suggest, I think that it is implied through all the engaging too,

[1:47:19] Voice 18: that that is what will be happening. That's what we're doing when we're engaging,

[1:47:21] Voice 18: as we're sharing information and data with each other

[1:47:23] Voice 18: to inform the decision-making.

[1:47:25] Voice 18: But if you'd like to be more explicit,

[1:47:27] Voice 18: we can certainly work on something for you

[1:47:29] Voice 18: to help state it more explicitly.

[1:47:32] Voice 19: Yeah, I have a problem with the word engage as it is

[1:47:36] Voice 19: because it does not necessarily mean it's meaningful.

[1:47:39] Voice 19: It doesn't mean it's early.

[1:47:41] Voice 19: It doesn't mean it's going to change the decision.

[1:47:45] Voice 19: It merely says that you've engaged with a body.

[1:47:48] Voice 19: So I think that word is not as encompassing as we'd like it to be.

[1:47:54] Voice 19: Information sharing, you know, this is a huge area.

[1:48:00] Voice 19: We're talking about mapping terrestrial and marine environments.

[1:48:05] Voice 19: And I think developing data sharing agreements that respect Indigenous people's own protocols for how their data and information should be collected, protected, used, and shared is, yeah.

[1:48:32] Trustee Patrick: Well, again, like I said, this is something we can think about now or see how engagement and feedback comes at the next step of this document.

[1:48:41] Trustee Patrick: so keep thinking about that for now if you have something specific to put on the table trustee

[1:48:47] Trustee Patrick: boland and

[1:48:49] Voice 8: we do have some protocols at the moment is there anything in those protocols

[1:48:55] Voice 8: i mean can we reference the existing protocols and say that others yet to be developed and i do

[1:49:03] Voice 8: think it's a very important area but i also feel that um sometimes it's poorly understood

[1:49:10] Voice 8: the specifics of it and what it could mean so you know we we uh we say that we'll respect it but we

[1:49:20] Voice 8: don't actually have a clear idea of what that could mean so i'm just wondering what is in the

[1:49:26] Voice 8: existing protocols that we've arranged uh is is this subject covered to any degree

[1:49:37] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to staff if there's any.

[1:49:42] Voice 18: Certainly, we do already have data sharing agreements with many nations around, particularly when we've shared our mapping with them.

[1:49:48] Voice 18: But certainly in some circumstances, they've shared data with us.

[1:49:50] Voice 18: So we already do have data sharing agreements in place.

[1:49:53] Voice 18: This is something perhaps if we could speak with Trustee Elliott, we might be able to work over lunch and come back with some proposed policy suggestions, if that might clear the way to being more efficient.

[1:50:04] Trustee Patrick: That would be great.

[1:50:06] Trustee Patrick: Great. Okay. So I guess we are working toward a lunch break here. So let's move to the next

[1:50:15] Trustee Patrick: section then. Goal two. Are there any areas here? Trustee Getty?

[1:50:27] Trustee Gedye: Thanks. With respect to the preamble for goal two, if that's what we call it, a preamble,

[1:50:34] Trustee Gedye: the red highlighted phrase at the end, many of these places are the resting places of ancestors,

[1:50:42] Trustee Gedye: I think that's a really important concept, and it's a principle that should be included, but I think tacked on to the end here, it's a little bit awkward in terms of we're talking about undertaking a culturally sensitive matter that respects confidentiality protocols around the sharing of indigenous knowledge.

[1:51:02] Trustee Gedye: That's an important concept. And I think that the resting places of ancestors is part of, and I would suggest moving it into the center of the text so that it's in with the many culturally significant areas, sites, species, including places that are resting places of ancestors, as opposed to this little addition at the end.

[1:51:32] Trustee Patrick: Is there agreement on that? I guess I'm looking for anyone opposed to that. I guess that makes it easier for this question. Is there anyone that opposes to rephrasing that? No.

[1:51:51] Trustee Patrick: All right. Can I make a motion?

[1:51:53] Trustee Patrick: I guess so. Let's use the template and then it will read.

[1:52:01] Trustee Gedye: read all

[1:52:02] Trustee Gedye: right so now i'm gonna lose that screen let

[1:52:05] Trustee Patrick: me get in the

[1:52:06] Trustee Gedye: other screen just a sec

[1:52:07] Trustee Gedye: um so that oops where'd it

[1:52:10] Trustee Patrick: go uh you can just read template back um oh sorry you can just say

[1:52:15] Trustee Patrick: how's to read if that makes

[1:52:17] Trustee Patrick: it easier and then we'll just plug it in

[1:52:20] Trustee Gedye: okay to read um sorry

[1:52:29] Trustee Gedye: the section lays out general types of indigenous cultural heritage and culturally significant

[1:52:34] Trustee Gedye: significant areas sites and species including places that are resting places of ancestors

[1:52:42] Trustee Gedye: of importance to present and oh god

[1:52:49] Voice 32: sorry here

[1:52:50] Trustee Patrick: i was going to say if we could just cut yes go

[1:52:53] Trustee Patrick: ahead trustee morrison state your point

[1:52:54] Voice 32: if we can use the motions and come back to this one

[1:52:57] Voice 32: please use the motion yeah

[1:52:59] Trustee Patrick: i think if you could just submit that that would be helpful

[1:53:03] Trustee Patrick: helpful too over lunch just to just do the read you just have to cut paste and move that

[1:53:09] Trustee Patrick: i think you generally

[1:53:10] Trustee Patrick: have it there all right i'd like to keep us moving before we take the

[1:53:15] Trustee Patrick: lunch break is there any other discussion on this section the

[1:53:27] Trustee Gedye: um sorry the other one about

[1:53:30] Trustee Gedye: um where'd it go 3.2.1 um the known um i think it should be registered and unregistered

[1:53:43] Trustee Gedye: both and then it's the newly discovered um that comes later so it seems to me that there's um

[1:53:52] Trustee Gedye: registered uh sorry known sites can be either registered or unregistered and then it we're

[1:53:58] Trustee Gedye: also including if there's any newly discovered ones that haven't uh come up in previous

[1:54:03] Trustee Gedye: conversations does

[1:54:09] Trustee Patrick: that make sense yes repeat that again so how would you see this changing

[1:54:16] Trustee Gedye: 3.2.1.

[1:54:17] Trustee Gedye: Yep.

[1:54:20] Trustee Gedye: So we're trying to minimize potential adverse impacts.

[1:54:23] Trustee Gedye: And we're looking at a long list.

[1:54:27] Trustee Gedye: And at the very end of the list, it says, and known, bracket registered.

[1:54:32] Trustee Gedye: But it seems to me the known can be either registered or unregistered.

[1:54:37] Trustee Gedye: So the bracket should go around both.

[1:54:42] Trustee Gedye: We're discriminating between known and newly discovered.

[1:54:46] Trustee Gedye: I got you.

[1:54:55] Trustee Patrick: I guess, Trustee Fast?

[1:54:58] Trustee Fast: For those of us who aren't as clear about known and unknown, registered and unregistered,

[1:55:04] Trustee Fast: can staff throw some light on what a known unregistered site might be or just define

[1:55:15] Trustee Fast: things for people like me?

[1:55:18] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:55:20] Trustee Patrick: Looking to staff, is there anyone that can talk about that piece of the sentence?

[1:55:27] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, Staff Yeomans.

[1:55:32] Trustee Gedye: Mute.

[1:55:33] Voice 1: Thanks.

[1:55:36] Voice 1: I would simply venture to say that a known but unregistered archaeological site would be one that is, for which there is anecdotal information about its existence, but for whatever reason it hasn't made it into the provincial registry, though I expect, well, no, I shouldn't say most, but many sites are in the provincial registry.

[1:55:59] Voice 1: So would it perhaps make sense then just to remove the word known from this sentence so it reads, and registered, unregistered, or newly discovered archaeological sites?

[1:56:12] Trustee Patrick: That's an option to work. Trustee Getty?

[1:56:18] Trustee Gedye: Yeah, there's a whole process in terms of registering, and it identifies and maps things.

[1:56:24] Trustee Gedye: And I think there's protection issues in terms of not necessarily wanting to have things publicly registered.

[1:56:30] Trustee Gedye: So, they could be known sites, but, you know, whether or not you actually put it on a provincial register and under the Archaeological Act and all the rest of it, it's a difficult process and time-consuming, and you need to have some authority behind it, and there's all sorts of issues in terms of privacy and protection.

[1:56:51] Trustee Gedye: So, yeah, either way, either include known in either in both categories or take out known. Either one works.

[1:57:01] Trustee Gedye: Trustee Morrison?

[1:57:05] Voice 32: Yeah, I would, I would prefer to remove known and make it just simpler, less words is better.

[1:57:13] Voice 32: And yeah, we have at least one that I know of like this on Pender and it's for that specific reason.

[1:57:18] Voice 32: and First Nation does not actually want it registered

[1:57:21] Voice 32: because they don't want any kind of visibility to the site.

[1:57:28] Voice 32: All

[1:57:28] Trustee Fast: right, Trustee Fast.

[1:57:29] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:57:31] Trustee Fast: One other suggestion for anybody who might be making this motion

[1:57:35] Trustee Fast: is to replace the word or in front of newly discovered with and

[1:57:40] Trustee Fast: just to make sure it's completely inclusive.

[1:57:43] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:57:46] Trustee Fast: All right, Trustee Evans.

[1:57:51] Voice 9: I would not be in favor of removing the word known.

[1:57:54] Voice 9: known is a really important word there if we remove the word known and this is a directive

[1:58:00] Voice 9: policy I believe that that opens us up to risk and I believe that was also discussed at an earlier

[1:58:08] Voice 9: meeting having the word or versus and in something that is directive or implies any of them and

[1:58:17] Voice 9: and implies it has to be all of them. So you can't have known, you can't have registered

[1:58:23] Voice 9: and unregistered. It can only be one or the other. It can't be both. It's either registered

[1:58:31] Voice 9: or it's not. It can't be registered and unregistered at the same time. So or is the

[1:58:40] Voice 9: correct word there. And known is important to help mitigate risk. Because if something happens

[1:58:48] Voice 9: If it happens to an unknown area that we were unaware of, we will be held liable.

[1:58:56] Voice 19: Trustee Elliott?

[1:59:02] Voice 19: I'm getting a bit lost here.

[1:59:04] Voice 19: I can't really speak to the known versus unknown or registered versus unregistered.

[1:59:11] Voice 19: But in this list of potential adverse impacts to cultural heritage sites, why are we listing all these potential elements instead of just saying heritage sites and heritage objects that are of particular spiritual, ceremonial, or other cultural value to Indigenous peoples?

[1:59:45] Voice 19: And that's kind of in line with the language of the Heritage Act. And I know we've done a lot of work on this, but I'm not sure what the value is of including a whole.

[2:00:00] Voice 19: list of things, rather than just saying sites that are important, sites or objects or areas

[2:00:09] Voice 19: that are important to Indigenous peoples for these reasons, full stop.

[2:00:16] Trustee Patrick: All right, good timing here.

[2:00:18] Trustee Patrick: The boardroom has their hand up.

[2:00:22] Voice 18: My hand was up.

[2:00:23] Voice 18: It's Claire, or Director Freider here.

[2:00:25] Voice 18: Simply to recommend for the Trustee Getty's suggestion, just removing the brackets.

[2:00:30] Voice 18: It could be registered, unregistered, or newly discovered.

[2:00:32] Voice 18: I think the brackets are not required, and that might solve the problem in a simpler way.

[2:00:39] Voice 18: The one speaking to Trustee Elliott's comment, in directive policies, there's a need to be specific about the elements.

[2:00:47] Voice 18: If we're too generic, it's going to lead to lots of interpretive difficulty around what is to be protected.

[2:00:52] Voice 18: Certainly, that's a much bigger conversation we could have, but certainly advice we've received,

[2:00:56] Voice 18: and good practice is to name specifically the elements we're looking to protect and certainly

[2:01:02] Voice 18: when we refer this out to nations we can get feedback from them around whether this is

[2:01:06] Voice 18: comprehensive enough as a list all

[2:01:09] Trustee Fast: right trustee passed thank you chair i um i like the idea of

[2:01:15] Trustee Fast: just removing the brackets and uh i uh like the specificity because um speaking from the people

[2:01:26] Trustee Fast: People on previous, for example, Bowen councillors who've been elected, not all of them know that some of these things are important or that they even exist, like culturally modified trees or cairns or clam gardens.

[2:01:44] Trustee Fast: And I think it's really good that the specificity is here.

[2:01:48] Trustee Fast: So I like the idea of removing the brackets and moving on.

[2:01:52] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:01:52] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:01:53] Trustee Patrick: We're going to have Trustee Graham, then we're going to take a lunch break and I'll talk about motions before we go on the lunch break. So go ahead, Trustee Graham.

[2:01:59] Voice 27: Thank you, Chair. I really like this conversation. Keeping it simple made sense to me, but thank you, Director Frater, for explaining why it needs to be specific.

[2:02:08] Voice 27: but why are we trying to define whether they're limited or, I'm sorry, whether they're known or

[2:02:15] Voice 27: unknown? Why can't we just potential impacts to Indigenous cultural sites such as, and then list

[2:02:21] Voice 27: them and not worry about whether they're known, unknown, registered, unregistered. That's a

[2:02:26] Voice 27: quagmire of information.

[2:02:29] Trustee Patrick: All right. We have lots to think about here. So it is noon. I think we

[2:02:34] Trustee Patrick: we should take a lunch break. Those, I think Trustee Getty has some homework. Who else has

[2:02:40] Trustee Patrick: homework? Trustee Elliott, you're working on a motion as well. Anyone else who has some motions

[2:02:44] Trustee Patrick: coming afterwards, please get them in. That will help speed up our work if you've got some

[2:02:50] Trustee Patrick: specifics that you know. Try to get those into the motions email. Okay, how much time are we

[2:02:58] Trustee Patrick: be taking for lunch 30 minutes is that uh 30 minutes seems sufficient all right okay then

[2:03:08] Trustee Patrick: let's take a lunch to 12 30 ish and uh um and get your motions in please so on to lunch break

[2:03:16] Trustee Patrick: thank you everyone good work good conversations more to come up trustee fast you have something

[2:03:21] Trustee Patrick: quick just a suggestion

[2:03:23] Trustee Fast: to leave the template on the sign that says we're taking a break so that

[2:03:28] Trustee Fast: trustees who are working on it can see it thank you i think it's

[2:03:31] Trustee Patrick: to read the the thing main thing

[2:03:32] Trustee Patrick: for you to rethink concentrate on is how do you want it to read um that's the end of that piece

[2:03:39] Trustee Patrick: okay thank you enjoy your lunch chair

[2:03:43] Voice 32: patrick yes outside of the meeting it's fine everyone can go

[2:03:47] Voice 32: um

[2:03:47] Voice 25: awesome let's

[2:04:09] Voice 32: just set that all without okay you're you're muted too now

[2:04:14] Trustee Patrick: i'm muted okay go

[2:04:15] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead.

[2:04:15] Voice 32: Just to let you know that I am going to start to hit work commitments at 1230.

[2:04:21] Voice 32: So I have sent a motion in for the end, and I'll try and come back,

[2:04:25] Voice 32: and hopefully we're on that.

[2:04:30] Voice 11: Chef Patrick?

[2:04:31] Voice 32: Yes.

[2:04:32] Voice 11: We're still recording during the break?

[2:04:34] Voice 11: Still

[2:04:35] Voice 18: recording and live streaming.

[2:04:36] Trustee Patrick: Yes, no, we understand that.

[2:04:37] Trustee Patrick: She was just letting me know.

[2:04:38] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[2:04:39] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:04:39] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[2:30:54] Voice 25: Welcome back, trustees. Make

[2:30:58] Trustee Patrick: sure everyone's back. 30 minutes goes by quickly when some of you had homework.

[2:31:30] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to staff. I don't want to get too far ahead if we had some resolutions that came in sort of where we were moving ahead.

[2:31:41] Trustee Patrick: So I want to just go back and make sure we're catch up. Hello, staff.

[2:32:01] Trustee Patrick: Staff, if we have Trustee Elliott, did you?

[2:32:08] Voice 19: Yeah.

[2:32:09] Voice 19: So thank you to staff for taking the time and giving some great advice there.

[2:32:17] Voice 19: So I did send in a motion for a new reconciliation advisory policy.

[2:32:24] Voice 19: So we're back in 3.1.3 and 4.

[2:32:35] Voice 19: and so yeah it would read that committee of the whole recommend that trust council revise the

[2:32:41] Voice 19: draft policy statement by adding a new reconciliation advisory policy 3.1.4

[2:32:46] Voice 19: it actually might be 3.1.3 in order sorry four yes in order to come before

[2:32:58] Voice 19: information sharing support and develop methods that encourage regular and timely sharing of

[2:33:06] Voice 19: information with Indigenous governing bodies and maybe I'll ask Claire for the advice that she

[2:33:13] Voice 19: gave me as to why this so we were talking about information sharing agreements which can't be

[2:33:20] Voice 19: be held by LTCs, they can only be held by trust counsel. And so this isn't to develop an agreement,

[2:33:27] Voice 19: but it's processes or methods to share information in the development of our, you know,

[2:33:34] Voice 19: OCPs or draft bylaws and all that. We could take out the language that encourage,

[2:33:42] Voice 19: it might make it a bit stronger to just say support and develop methods for regular and

[2:33:50] Voice 19: timely sharing of information with indigenous governing bodies so all right

[2:33:57] Trustee Patrick: so what are you

[2:33:58] Trustee Patrick: recommending for sure to see for or that encourage your

[2:34:08] Voice 19: methods or yeah i think methods i think

[2:34:15] Voice 19: without the encourage because it's already an advisory policy um so we could just go with

[2:34:22] Voice 19: with developed methods for regular and timely sharing of information.

[2:34:25] Voice 19: Yeah.

[2:34:26] Voice 19: Thank you.

[2:34:27] Trustee Patrick: Stop.

[2:34:28] Trustee Patrick: You're good with this language, I take it?

[2:34:31] Voice 8: Yes.

[2:34:32] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:34:33] Trustee Patrick: Trustees, there's no second on this motion at this point.

[2:34:37] Trustee Patrick: Is this wording understood?

[2:34:38] Trustee Patrick: Do people understand where we are in the document?

[2:34:42] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Borthwick, hello.

[2:34:44] Trustee Patrick: Oh, he's ready to second.

[2:34:46] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[2:34:47] Trustee Patrick: So I think you just read that out.

[2:34:54] Trustee Patrick: So I will proceed with that second for Trustee Borthwick.

[2:35:00] Trustee Patrick: Now we're into discussion.

[2:35:02] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast.

[2:35:03] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:35:04] Trustee Fast: I'm just speaking in support of this motion.

[2:35:07] Trustee Fast: I like the, I mean, it's only an advisory policy,

[2:35:14] Trustee Fast: but it still is inclusive of municipal councils as well.

[2:35:18] Trustee Fast: well, and by developing methods, then more people and systems and processes can be involved

[2:35:30] Trustee Fast: in this.

[2:35:31] Trustee Fast: I think it's a good idea.

[2:35:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:35:33] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[2:35:34] Trustee Fast: Any further discussion?

[2:35:38] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then.

[2:35:39] Trustee Patrick: All those in favour?

[2:35:53] Voice 12: I see 10 in favour.

[2:35:55] Trustee Patrick: Okay, lower your hands.

[2:35:59] Trustee Patrick: Any opposed?

[2:36:05] Trustee Patrick: And that carries then.

[2:36:07] Trustee Patrick: I guess we should probably confirm our quorum.

[2:36:11] Trustee Patrick: This would probably be important.

[2:36:17] Voice 15: I do have quorum by the number of attendees.

[2:36:20] Voice 15: However, some have their cameras off.

[2:36:23] Voice 15: So I'm not completely sure if everyone is at their computers.

[2:36:27] Voice 15: But we do consider everyone attending, even if they do or don't.

[2:36:31] Voice 15: So, yes, we do have quorum.

[2:36:35] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:36:35] Trustee Patrick: Good.

[2:36:36] Trustee Patrick: Thank you for verifying.

[2:36:38] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:36:39] Trustee Patrick: right were there any other uh resolutions that came in i think there were a couple of trusty

[2:36:44] Trustee Patrick: getty ones that were at least or one at least i

[2:36:47] Trustee Gedye: sent in two but it was after i'd eaten

[2:36:52] Trustee Patrick: so we should probably go make sure we get caught up to where we are

[2:36:58] Voice 15: did

[2:37:05] Trustee Gedye: you get those alexandra it did thank

[2:37:08] Trustee Gedye: you okay

[2:37:41] Trustee Patrick: so this next one's regarding goal two the

[2:37:45] Trustee Patrick: just the introduction of the language there in goal two so trustee getty if you want to

[2:37:51] Trustee Patrick: read that out all

[2:37:57] Trustee Gedye: right um i move that committee of the whole recommend that trust council revise

[2:38:00] Trustee Gedye: the draft draft policy statement by amending goal two to read the islands trust council recognizes

[2:38:06] Trustee Gedye: indigenous cultural heritage as a unique amenity in the islands trust area that must be preserved

[2:38:11] Trustee Gedye: protected and where possible restored the islands trust area is home to many culturally significant

[2:38:16] Trustee Gedye: areas, sites, and species, including places that are the resting places of ancestors,

[2:38:21] Trustee Gedye: which are of importance to present and future generations of Indigenous peoples.

[2:38:25] Trustee Gedye: This section lays out general types of Indigenous cultural heritage and culturally significant

[2:38:30] Trustee Gedye: areas, sites, and species that should be identified and protected in each local planning area.

[2:38:35] Trustee Gedye: This should be guided by Indigenous peoples, Indigenous governing bodies, and Indigenous

[2:38:39] Trustee Gedye: knowledge holders, and undertaken in a culturally sensitive manner that respects confidentiality

[2:38:45] Trustee Gedye: protocols around the sharing of Indigenous knowledge, period. I had included the part

[2:38:53] Trustee Gedye: that was moved in a strikeout in what I'd sent. There

[2:38:56] Trustee Patrick: you go. There you go. All right. That was

[2:39:00] Trustee Patrick: good to hear that read out loud. So that was just basically moving that last phrase further in.

[2:39:05] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second to this motion? Seconded by Trustee Peterson. Is there any discussion?

[2:39:11] Trustee Patrick: Discussion? Trustee Graham.

[2:39:18] Voice 27: Sorry, I was voting.

[2:39:20] Trustee Patrick: You were fast. Okay, if there's no discussion, now I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[2:39:33] Voice 12: I'm seeing 12, 13 hands raised.

[2:39:36] Trustee Patrick: All right, lower your hands. Trustee Boland and I still have our hands up. Okay, Trustee Boland,

[2:39:48] Trustee Patrick: your hand's still up unless you're voting opposed. I don't think you are.

[2:39:51] Trustee Patrick: Must be still. There we go. Any opposed? That carries. Excellent. Did we have another one

[2:39:59] Trustee Patrick: from you trustee getty on where we you were okay i move

[2:40:09] Trustee Gedye: that committee of the whole recommend a

[2:40:11] Trustee Gedye: trust council revise the draft policy statement by amending policy 3.2.1 to read quote minimize

[2:40:17] Trustee Gedye: potential adverse impacts to indigenous cultural heritage sites including but not limited to

[2:40:22] Trustee Gedye: known identified village sites burial sites campsites middens cairns petroglyphs culturally

[2:40:29] Trustee Gedye: culturally modified trees, fish traps, clam gardens, and pictographs,

[2:40:33] Trustee Gedye: and registered, unregistered, or newly discovered archaeological sites.

[2:40:37] Trustee Patrick: All right. Is there a second to this one?

[2:40:40] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Borthwick.

[2:40:42] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[2:40:47] Trustee Patrick: Seeing no discussion, I'll call the vote.

[2:40:49] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[2:40:59] Voice 12: I see 12 hands plus 13 hands.

[2:41:01] Voice 12: Lower

[2:41:02] Trustee Patrick: your hands.

[2:41:04] Trustee Patrick: All right. Any opposed?

[2:41:13] Trustee Patrick: One opposed.

[2:41:14] Trustee Patrick: opposed that

[2:41:15] Voice 9: you called the vote so quickly i wasn't able to get

[2:41:18] Trustee Patrick: my hand up in

[2:41:18] Voice 9: time all right

[2:41:19] Trustee Patrick: so no

[2:41:20] Voice 9: opposed no

[2:41:21] Trustee Patrick: i was opposed oh you were opposed

[2:41:23] Voice 9: you pulled the vote so quickly i couldn't raise

[2:41:25] Voice 9: my hand in time to say

[2:41:27] Voice 9: that i had a comment which was the removal of the word um known so i think

[2:41:35] Voice 9: okay i was just trying to get caught up it's just going a little fast for me to try and keep

[2:41:38] Voice 9: everything straight nope that's

[2:41:40] Trustee Patrick: right i'm trying thank you for that i'm trying to pace this and

[2:41:43] Trustee Patrick: all right that carries them so are we caught up to where we were can

[2:41:51] Voice 9: i just ask a clarifying

[2:41:52] Voice 9: question yes please proceed so that was three two one and the word known was taken out of

[2:41:59] Voice 9: before registered and unregistered is that correct

[2:42:03] Voice 9: okay so

[2:42:04] Voice 9: can i request that we get a

[2:42:05] Voice 9: legal opinion on that because i believe that that now opens us up to risk uh do you need a motion

[2:42:10] Voice 9: for that?

[2:42:12] Trustee Patrick: I can look to staff on any, go ahead. I

[2:42:18] Voice 18: saw the motion on screen, the word known applied

[2:42:20] Voice 18: to all nouns that then followed. So it would still be, so known is a modifier and then all

[2:42:32] Voice 18: the terms that follow are then modified by the word known.

[2:42:35] Voice 9: Perfect. Thank you. That was just

[2:42:38] Voice 9: going too quickly for me to figure out thank you so much all right

[2:42:43] Trustee Patrick: okay so what section are we did

[2:42:47] Trustee Patrick: we leave off in must be what's on the screen here so it

[2:42:59] Voice 3: was go

[2:43:00] Trustee Patrick: ahead i'm sorry yes

[2:43:02] Voice 3: that's where you

[2:43:03] Voice 3: left off was that three after 3.2.1 3

[2:43:07] Trustee Patrick: .2.1 okay so any more in that section directive policies for

[2:43:13] Trustee Patrick: cultural heritage and culturally significant areas we're not seeing any there how about

[2:43:20] Trustee Patrick: advisory policies any comments on advisory policies for cultural heritage if you can

[2:43:35] Voice 9: scroll down there's a comment by trustee getty so i might want to move on to the next comments

[2:43:39] Voice 9: just in case it's for a discussion item

[2:43:45] Trustee Patrick: is this primarily editorial or i think this was editorial

[2:43:55] Trustee Gedye: territorial it

[2:43:56] Trustee Gedye: was um moving ochre yeah but i'll withdraw that i think it's minor and i think we

[2:44:03] Trustee Gedye: can fiddle with that later in terms of whether it's a medicinal plant or species or whatever

[2:44:09] Trustee Gedye: okay

[2:44:10] Trustee Patrick: so on to goal three any comments on the directive policies for ecosystem integrity

[2:44:25] Trustee Patrick: go ahead trustee getty okay

[2:44:35] Trustee Gedye: so when i was reading 3.3.3 um i think that's where her

[2:44:40] Trustee Gedye: No, sorry, 3.3

[2:44:42] Trustee Gedye: .2 sensitive ecosystems, that word herbaceous just seemed massive.

[2:44:48] Trustee Gedye: And when I looked it up in the glossary, there was a really good specific definition.

[2:44:54] Trustee Gedye: So I'm wondering if we should, if there's any policy around directing people

[2:45:00] Trustee Gedye: to the more detailed definition in the glossary.

[2:45:05] Trustee Gedye: And there might be for some of these other terms as well.

[2:45:07] Trustee Gedye: Well,

[2:45:09] Trustee Patrick: to staff yeomans.

[2:45:13] Voice 1: I think personally, I would discourage adding reference to the glossary to any of any of the policies insofar as if you're going to do it for one, you should probably do it for all.

[2:45:24] Voice 1: And I think maybe it's better just to assume that people will eventually make their way to the glossary to to understand the definitions of some of the terms if they don't have one already in mind.

[2:45:36] Voice 23: OK, that's

[2:45:37] Voice 1: simply for, I guess, cleanliness of the document.

[2:45:40] Voice 1: it.

[2:45:42] Trustee Gedye: Oh, I'm all for messy, but I'll go with canyons.

[2:45:46] Voice 19: All right, Trustee Elliott. I'm just

[2:45:51] Voice 19: thinking back to Trustee Morrison's earlier request around adaptive resilience, I think it

[2:46:01] Voice 19: was, adaptive resilience strategies. And so I wonder if one place that it could go is actually

[2:46:14] Voice 19: right in the preamble here there's a reference to promoting resilience to climate change

[2:46:24] Voice 19: resilience and adaptation is it important and trustee morrison isn't here so i'm not

[2:46:35] Voice 19: kind of just going out on a wing to see if we could include that lens a little bit more

[2:46:43] Voice 19: all right trustee getty just

[2:46:47] Trustee Gedye: wanted to withdraw my comments cs14 yep thank

[2:46:51] Trustee Patrick: you i assume that was

[2:46:52] Trustee Patrick: going to um trustee past uh

[2:46:55] Trustee Fast: thank you i um i see the uh resilience to climate change but i think

[2:47:01] Trustee Fast: adaptive resilience is more like um uh communities and systems and land use planning uh adapting to

[2:47:09] Trustee Fast: the realities of climate change because we can't engineer ecosystems to adapt unless we do some

[2:47:17] Trustee Fast: planting but that comes under restoration i think and management which are also referenced

[2:47:23] Trustee Fast: adaptive resilience is like uh well it was mentioned that the heights above the sea level

[2:47:32] Trustee Fast: uh adjusting it so working with transportation to say where where the ministry uh that road

[2:47:40] Trustee Fast: it washes out there can you put it higher i get it yeah no that's a

[2:47:45] Voice 19: that's much better thanks for

[2:47:46] Voice 19: explaining that i think

[2:47:47] Trustee Fast: it needs to be in the

[2:47:48] Voice 19: built environment i think there's a great um

[2:47:50] Voice 19: trustee boland's got a a definition in the chat there so thanks i

[2:47:56] Trustee Patrick: think i i believe trustee

[2:47:58] Trustee Patrick: morrison provided a resolution for later in the document where to address her thing that she

[2:48:03] Trustee Patrick: brought up earlier so and she hopes to return so all right we'll proceed then if there's no

[2:48:09] Trustee Patrick: No more comments on the directive policies for ecosystem integrity?

[2:48:18] Trustee Patrick: I know.

[2:48:20] Trustee Patrick: So now are the advisory policies?

[2:48:23] Trustee Patrick: Any comments there?

[2:48:24] Trustee Patrick: 3.3.10 and 3.3.11?

[2:48:27] Trustee Patrick: Moving on.

[2:48:31] Trustee Patrick: Then we're in goal four.

[2:48:37] Trustee Patrick: Directive policies in goal four.

[2:48:44] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Getty.

[2:48:45] Trustee Gedye: Okay.

[2:48:46] Trustee Gedye: We don't use the word rural anywhere in this document.

[2:48:51] Trustee Gedye: And I believe we did previously.

[2:48:54] Trustee Gedye: And it strikes me that as difficult as that word is, and Bowen is certainly getting into all sorts of discussions in terms of whether or not we're suburban or rural or whatever and which way we're moving.

[2:49:06] Trustee Gedye: But I think that as a policy that, or it's a directive policy at least, it would be helpful to have that as some sort of a measure.

[2:49:21] Trustee Gedye: And I'd like to see it included.

[2:49:23] Trustee Gedye: I'm not sure where, but I think that it's important, but flexible.

[2:49:34] Voice 19: Trustee Elliott?

[2:49:39] Voice 19: I think it's important, but it's interpretive and it's difficult.

[2:49:45] Voice 19: Rural sort of implies to my view that agriculture practices, as we've developed them in the last 100 years, should be supported.

[2:49:57] Voice 19: Um, rural also implies that, you know, large lots are valued because we keep the forested area somewhat, or the impacts on forests somewhat diminished.

[2:50:12] Voice 19: It's very different in each community what rural means.

[2:50:17] Voice 19: And I think some communities hold it as a value, but mandating it in a policy statement is, it would be very challenging.

[2:50:28] Voice 19: So I'm not really sure because it's just, it's a, it's a feeling for some communities.

[2:50:39] Voice 19: it's not i don't know if it's a land use planning it's character it's not a tool

[2:50:50] Voice 19: thank you trustee evans

[2:50:51] Voice 9: i think having the distinction between rural which the islands are

[2:51:00] Voice 9: could be implied but it also is indicative of the fact that we are looking to preserve

[2:51:07] Voice 9: rural here and not wind up in an urban density setting so we do have some areas such as on the

[2:51:17] Voice 9: pendous with magic lake that was getting more into urban density and that was what we're here to

[2:51:23] Voice 9: to try to mitigate that that type of growth so by using the word rural in here we are identifying

[2:51:30] Voice 9: that yes we are protecting the rural identity of the islands rural versus urban it has more to do

[2:51:37] Voice 9: with density and intensity of use versus the character. When you're saying rural character,

[2:51:45] Voice 9: that has a completely different connotation to rural communities. Rural communities have fewer

[2:51:52] Voice 9: people compared to urban, and the natural environment features more open spaces and

[2:52:01] Voice 9: the infrastructure has a tendency to be less developed. That's more rural. So I think

[2:52:07] Voice 9: I like having at least one mention of rural in here.

[2:52:14] Trustee Fast: All right, Trustee Fast.

[2:52:16] Trustee Fast: Well, thank you, Chair.

[2:52:17] Trustee Fast: I, too, support using the word rural because in the chat,

[2:52:24] Trustee Fast: I've put a link to the 2025 Keeping It Rural Conference,

[2:52:30] Trustee Fast: which helps to balance out the focus on cities when it comes to urban planning

[2:52:39] Trustee Fast: and adaptive resilience and all the kinds of sustainability conversations in British Columbia.

[2:52:46] Trustee Fast: And I can recommend this conference. It was excellent when I went a couple of years ago.

[2:52:51] Trustee Fast: Forestry, agriculture, sustainable tourism, all of these are topics that they're talking about.

[2:52:56] Trustee Fast: And there are also academics who are working on the definition of rural, which involves ferries.

[2:53:04] Trustee Fast: It involves distances and time to get to the next community.

[2:53:07] Trustee Fast: And so there's lots of definitions. It is a foggy term, but I find it really useful in talking to people about the difference between Bowen Island and West Vancouver. For example, I support the idea of finding a good place to include the word rural and see you at the conference.

[2:53:26] Trustee Fast: All

[2:53:26] Trustee Patrick: right, Trustee Boland.

[2:53:27] Trustee Patrick: i

[2:53:31] Voice 8: like the word rural but i'm thinking rural ambience might cover it i checked with census

[2:53:39] Voice 8: canada they just they they define it in the abstract you know the basically in the absence

[2:53:46] Voice 8: they don't have a definition they define urban centers and everything else isn't

[2:53:51] Voice 8: but i do think i take the points other people made that if we don't actually use a word that

[2:53:58] Voice 8: characterizes this sort of low density type of development and I know that in

[2:54:04] Voice 8: places we shouldn't encourage very low density then when we argue for funding

[2:54:13] Voice 8: recognition rules to be applied guidelines attention it's hard to really

[2:54:19] Voice 8: describe you know what we are and how we differ from the areas that get that

[2:54:25] Voice 8: attention, so I think finding a place for it would be good. Thanks. All right, Trustee Gavro.

[2:54:35] Voice 16: Hi, thank you. I think it comes down a lot to perspective as well. I'm very sure that

[2:54:43] Voice 16: many Indigenous nations don't consider their homelands rural and if we are using that kind

[2:54:51] Voice 16: of language it might be a disconnect from the policy statement. Yeah, I think it kind of

[2:54:56] Voice 16: mischaracterizes the the land here uh and i i don't see that we need to use the word or term

[2:55:03] Voice 16: rural thank you all

[2:55:07] Trustee Patrick: right we're not seeing any proposals as where rural would be inserted other

[2:55:10] Trustee Patrick: than the concept so i think we'll keep moving unless someone has a specific recommendation

[2:55:15] Trustee Patrick: as to where to put it trustee evans i

[2:55:19] Voice 9: was going to say it could go um in 341 where it says consider

[2:55:23] Voice 9: of the capabilities environmental and protect protected areas and existing rural development

[2:55:31] Voice 9: patterns sheriff i might

[2:55:39] Trustee Patrick: yes please alternate

[2:55:41] Voice 18: place you could put the word if you wanted to

[2:55:43] Voice 18: include it would be in the preamble section where you at the end of the preamble just above you talk

[2:55:47] Voice 18: about aiming to foster sustainable inclusive and resilient island communities you could potentially

[2:55:52] Voice 18: add the word rural in that list there as well all

[2:55:57] Trustee Patrick: right we have two alternatives trusty getty

[2:56:00] Trustee Gedye: I'm going to suggest that I'll withdraw this at this point.

[2:56:03] Trustee Gedye: I'd like to have a further conversation with Lisa and get more information about that.

[2:56:07] Trustee Gedye: And it's, you know, it's something that might come up in comments from the community.

[2:56:12] Trustee Gedye: And I think it's something that we can discuss more fully.

[2:56:16] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:56:17] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to keep proceeding.

[2:56:18] Trustee Patrick: And

[2:56:19] Trustee Fast: once we hear a trustee passed.

[2:56:21] Trustee Fast: um i'm going to move a motion because i did seek lots of indigenous participation at the keeping

[2:56:31] Trustee Fast: it rural conference that i was at uh including uh some strong leadership there which is partly

[2:56:37] Trustee Fast: why i went to that conference uh a couple of years ago so um i propose that in the preamble

[2:56:45] Trustee Fast: to goal two that committee of the whole recommend that trust council revise the draft

[2:56:53] Trustee Fast: policy statement by amending the preamble to goal two to read in the last sentence

[2:57:02] Trustee Fast: oops i'm in the wrong place goal four sorry to read in the last sentence

[2:57:16] Trustee Fast: sustainable inclusive and rural resilient island communities i

[2:57:29] Trustee Patrick: think i'm going to give

[2:57:30] Trustee Patrick: alexandra a moment apologies

[2:57:44] Voice 15: my copy and paste didn't work there so one moment

[2:57:47] Trustee Gedye: that's all right

[2:57:48] Trustee Gedye: yep

[2:58:06] Trustee Patrick: i move that right is there a second to this motion seconded by trustee stamford

[2:58:13] Trustee Patrick: any discussion i'll call the vote then just make sure all those in favor is

[2:58:38] Voice 12: he 12 in favor

[2:58:39] Voice 12: lower

[2:58:40] Trustee Patrick: your hands any opposed one opposed that carries them all right we're still in goal four

[2:59:01] Trustee Patrick: any other comments in goal four's directive policies let me scroll down so we can see the

[2:59:11] Trustee Patrick: other

[2:59:11] Voice 9: ones trusty

[2:59:31] Trustee Gedye: yeti okay so indoor and outdoor 3.4.4 we're talking about facilities and services

[2:59:39] Trustee Gedye: And we've got, let's see, ensure each community's local and local Indigenous communities' current and projected long-term needs for educational, institutional, community health.

[3:00:00] Trustee Gedye: cultural, and indoor and outdoor recreational facilities and services are considered and planned

[3:00:08] Trustee Gedye: for. I'm not sure why outdoor was tagged on at the end, and it's a question of both indoor and

[3:00:16] Trustee Gedye: outdoor, I think, in terms of all of the different facilities.

[3:00:26] Trustee Patrick: That's a good question. Anybody have

[3:00:31] Trustee Patrick: thoughts on on how to fix it trustee evans um i think i

[3:00:36] Voice 9: think with this one it's outdoor recreation

[3:00:39] Voice 9: which is like trails and things like that versus a facility which is an indoor facility i think

[3:00:45] Voice 9: we're talking about two different things here so i'm not yeah

[3:00:49] Trustee Gedye: yeah and i i thought that was

[3:00:52] Trustee Gedye: facilities and services we had a problem with camping so um you know that's in terms of

[3:01:04] Trustee Gedye: both built and you know outdoor um it's the facilities and the services just seems to be

[3:01:14] Trustee Gedye: in the wrong place all

[3:01:17] Trustee Fast: right trustee faust thank you chair um i'm in favor of leaving it the way

[3:01:22] Trustee Fast: it is uh and that's because um a lot of people don't think about the word facilities has more

[3:01:32] Trustee Fast: weight than a bird watching site or a bridge where you can hear the frogs in the evening or

[3:01:40] Trustee Fast: watch a beaver, you know, and these are also outdoor recreation. But if you're only thinking

[3:01:47] Trustee Fast: facilities, you only think camping and trails. So I like having it a little more open, because it

[3:01:55] Trustee Fast: It also implies people roaming out to discover and connect with nature, which facilities doesn't do.

[3:02:07] Trustee Fast: And I think it's also fine-tuning and small.

[3:02:12] Trustee Fast: And let's see what kind of response we get back.

[3:02:16] Trustee Fast: I'm more concerned with passing the big motion.

[3:02:23] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:02:24] Trustee Fast: Trustee Giddey?

[3:02:28] Trustee Gedye: Sort of more of the same. I agree it's small, and we're fine-tuning, and it can be, you know, sorted out in the future.

[3:02:35] Trustee Gedye: But I think that we've got indoor and outdoor facilities, and we've got indoor and outdoor services, or at least outdoor recreational services.

[3:02:46] Trustee Gedye: So I can leave it. It's not anything that I'm going to, you know, die on the hill on.

[3:02:56] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Evans?

[3:02:56] Voice 9: I think the way that it's worded right now, you've got recreational facilities, which to me indicate that could be a community center or something that you can go and do something inside.

[3:03:08] Voice 9: Like that's completely different to outdoor recreation.

[3:03:11] Voice 9: Those are two very distinct separate things.

[3:03:14] Voice 9: So if you take one of them away or if you try to blend them together, it'll it'll kind of that that'll be a little harder.

[3:03:22] Voice 9: I like it the way that it is.

[3:03:25] Voice 8: Trustee Boland.

[3:03:25] Voice 8: Could we just say recreational facilities and services, brackets, both indoor and outdoor, close brackets, are considered and planned for?

[3:03:40] Voice 8: I take the point that there's a subtle difference and bundling the facilities and services in with educational, institutional, community health, it gives a flavour towards infrastructure, hard infrastructure.

[3:03:54] Voice 8: structure. So I think if we just put brackets indoor and outdoor, that might help. Thanks.

[3:04:00] Voice 8: Trustee Borthwick.

[3:04:05] Voice 13: Yeah, I mean, I would just add, possibly to this that Denman has an outdoor covered recreation

[3:04:15] Voice 13: space that we built over COVID, that I would say is definitely a facility. But it is, you know,

[3:04:21] Voice 13: specifically an outdoor space. So I think there is more potentially more complexity, there are more

[3:04:26] Voice 13: more complex things in that um but i was basically going to say what murray was saying in terms of

[3:04:32] Voice 13: like let's contract that we i don't think we need to like worry ourselves to pieces in that i think

[3:04:40] Voice 13: if we if we sort of contract it in the way that trustee boland recommended i think that would

[3:04:43] Voice 13: capture everything all

[3:04:47] Trustee Fast: right trustee fast thank you i'm going to speak again for uh leaving it

[3:04:51] Trustee Fast: the way it is, because would outdoor recreation facilities and services bring to mind the idea of

[3:05:01] Trustee Fast: an existing pathway to a mountaintop? Would it bring where students go to

[3:05:10] Trustee Fast: climb on their end-of-year trip from their kayaks, for example? Would facilities and services

[3:05:18] Trustee Fast: services bring to mind, um, uh, a rocky beach where, uh, generations of cottagers have gone

[3:05:25] Trustee Fast: down and, uh, read their, read their books and, uh, thought their thoughts as they gaze out to

[3:05:32] Trustee Fast: sea. I don't think facilities and services catch those things, whereas they might come to mind

[3:05:37] Trustee Fast: when you say outdoor, uh, recreation. Same with the contact with nature and the chance to, uh,

[3:05:45] Trustee Fast: encounter um or see uh wildflowers and uh butterflies thank you rusty evans

[3:05:54] Trustee Fast: you're

[3:05:56] Voice 9: very much on a similar vein um and a recreational facilities and services to me

[3:06:01] Voice 9: tonight's a building whereas the outdoor recreation to me is a place where you can go

[3:06:08] Voice 9: in nature without necessarily um too much impact on on nature itself such as maybe a trail um

[3:06:20] Voice 9: so i very much in favor of leaving it the way that it is if you blend the two of them together

[3:06:27] Voice 9: then it it'll the emphasis will be on the on the structure as in a building versus

[3:06:34] Voice 9: versus uh low impact nature all

[3:06:38] Trustee Patrick: right to move things along just going to do a quick straw poll

[3:06:41] Trustee Patrick: how many want to leave it as is raise your hand if you just are satisfied to leave it as is i

[3:06:52] Trustee Patrick: think that just uh satisfied that so let's move on and thank you everyone i like straw polls

[3:07:03] Trustee Patrick: okay are there any other comments than in this section which is the uh directive policies for

[3:07:11] Trustee Patrick: managing growth and development trustee elliott there's

[3:07:16] Voice 19: a funny bit of wording in three four seven

[3:07:19] Voice 19: economic activities and i was part of the discussion there um and i think may have been

[3:07:27] Voice 19: the mover of adding community health but the way it reads economic activities that are compatible

[3:07:34] Voice 19: with the preservation protection of the trust area it's any communities environment community health

[3:07:40] Voice 19: like the preservation so those three elements the trust area it's unique amenities and environment

[3:07:47] Voice 19: and then to have community health and that consider transportation infrastructure capacity

[3:07:53] Voice 19: it's just a bit awkward and i was looking back to see where else we have compatible with the

[3:08:01] Voice 19: preservation and protection of the trust area and it's i think it's a bit of a legacy

[3:08:06] Voice 19: thing that in the very first draft we had a lot of compatible with the preservation protection

[3:08:14] Voice 19: we've got it in forest lands it pops up here and there but i'm wondering if it's appropriate

[3:08:22] Voice 19: i

[3:08:23] Trustee Patrick: wonder if it's referring to like community well-being is probably more the term that's

[3:08:27] Trustee Patrick: used today yeah

[3:08:29] Voice 19: but it's the the pairing of the three elements of the preserve and protect mandate

[3:08:34] Voice 19: date and then community health and limits of infrastructure um i'm just wondering how else it

[3:08:45] Voice 19: could be phrased so that it's not does anyone else see an issue with it and if not we could

[3:08:52] Voice 19: just move on community well-being uh

[3:08:57] Voice 9: trustee evans yeah i don't see an issue with with keeping it in

[3:09:01] Voice 9: there um there was a specific reason for including it so i would like to see it stay um if there's a

[3:09:10] Voice 9: better term i'd be open to that but i don't want it removed and i wasn't

[3:09:16] Voice 19: saying removed it's just

[3:09:19] Voice 19: community health following those three elements seems to imply that it's part of the

[3:09:23] Voice 19: mandate so i'm struggling with that but maybe it's fine uh trustee getty

[3:09:31] Trustee Gedye: i'd prefer community

[3:09:32] Trustee Gedye: Community well-being. Health, I think of blood pressure and blood type and, you know, vaccines and all the rest of it, which I think is not the intention. And, you know, in terms of the Section 3 mandate, community well-being fits. And, you know, in terms of increasing the whatever or limiting economic activities with that in mind, that's what you're getting at, I think.

[3:09:58] Trustee Patrick: all right then i'll do a quick straw poll who would be in favor of changing health

[3:10:03] Trustee Patrick: to well-being in this phrase raise your hands if you support that

[3:10:08] Trustee Patrick: looks like there's support for that so we'll need either a resolution

[3:10:16] Trustee Patrick: um to do that can we do that quickly or does that need to be submitted trustee fast i think

[3:10:32] Trustee Fast: trustee yates oh well she's gone okay that committee the whole recommend that trust council

[3:10:37] Trustee Fast: revise the draft policy statement by amending three point i

[3:10:43] Trustee Patrick: think it's just to read just start

[3:10:46] Trustee Patrick: with the to read part uh alexander will bring up that front part i thought everybody might like to

[3:10:52] Voice 19: know what

[3:10:52] Trustee Fast: number we were on yep it's

[3:10:56] Voice 19: on screen it's

[3:10:57] Trustee Fast: already on screen

[3:10:58] Trustee Patrick: yep okay go ahead and

[3:11:01] Trustee Patrick: read it then trustee fast it's up support

[3:11:06] Trustee Fast: sustainable economic activities that are

[3:11:08] Trustee Fast: compatible with the preservation and protection of the trust area and its unique amenities can

[3:11:11] Trustee Fast: environment community well-being and community character that consider transportation and

[3:11:16] Trustee Fast: infrastructure capacity is there a second second by

[3:11:23] Trustee Patrick: trustee no

[3:11:24] Voice 19: there's missing a word sorry

[3:11:26] Voice 19: what's missing and and after character and it should be a character comma and that consider

[3:11:36] Voice 19: transportation yes and

[3:11:38] Trustee Patrick: there should be

[3:11:38] Voice 19: yeah thanks all

[3:11:40] Trustee Patrick: right trustee getty you still second that

[3:11:42] Trustee Patrick: sure all right seconded by trustee getty any discussion i'll call the vote then all those

[3:11:52] Trustee Patrick: in favor there's

[3:12:01] Voice 12: 15 in favor all

[3:12:03] Trustee Patrick: right lower your hands trustee stanford's hands still up

[3:12:13] Trustee Patrick: all right well we know trustee hanford's down any opposed that carries then okay

[3:12:23] Trustee Patrick: any other comments then in this section directed policies managing growth and development

[3:12:32] Trustee Patrick: development then how about the advisory policies managing gross growth and development not seeing

[3:12:49] Trustee Patrick: any then we're moving on to directive policies for housing how about advisory policies for housing

[3:13:10] Trustee Patrick: i see trustee getty has one here trustee getty did you want it is this i think it's more than

[3:13:35] Trustee Patrick: Sorry.

[3:13:37] Trustee Gedye: It looks like it's 3.4.18. And it looks like it's a real mix of different points. So if the intention is to increase or encourage multi-unit residential development, which then provides more affordable, although that particular word has become quite problematic.

[3:14:08] Trustee Gedye: and special needs, then, and that alone is, I think,

[3:14:15] Trustee Gedye: broad enough to cover a lot of issues or concerns.

[3:14:19] Trustee Gedye: Then what we're trying to do, I think, is provide a range of configuration

[3:14:25] Trustee Gedye: to accommodate, but then that switches into construction conditions.

[3:14:32] Trustee Gedye: So I think it's too complex.

[3:14:36] Trustee Gedye: complex it's not a simple sentence so my suggestion was to implement land use regulations

[3:14:42] Trustee Gedye: for multi-unit residential development that allow for a range of potential configurations on a site

[3:14:49] Trustee Gedye: to accommodate special needs housing with form and character and changing construction options

[3:14:54] Trustee Gedye: controlled through development permit areas i'm

[3:14:59] Trustee Patrick: going to look to staff yeomans on this one

[3:15:01] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[3:15:02] Voice 1: this has proven a difficult policy to get correct, I think. Maybe I'll just back up to say that it was the intention of this policy, or at least it was my intention in recommending this policy, to try and avoid in the future situations where local trust committees or island municipalities make their zoning on a multifamily development site,

[3:15:27] Voice 1: or a site where affordable housing is permitted, for example, so restrictive that you lock in

[3:15:33] Voice 1: the form and character through the zoning itself. So there was, you know, I can think of a

[3:15:37] Voice 1: circumstance on Salt Spring Island where the zoning on one particular site that zoned for

[3:15:42] Voice 1: multi-unit housing is so restrictive that you can only build one particular type of multi-unit

[3:15:48] Voice 1: housing. You know, maybe it's like you can only build three duplexes or something like that. This

[3:15:53] Voice 1: is just the example that I always come back to, right? Zoning that says you can have three duplexes

[3:15:56] Voice 1: on a site is not that helpful if 10 years from now or 20 years from now when a developer be it

[3:16:03] Voice 1: a non-profit society or a private developer finally has the capital together to build on that site and

[3:16:08] Voice 1: they find that three duplex units no longer makes financial sense it would make more sense if the

[3:16:14] Voice 1: zoning on the property simply said you can have six units and how you build those six units is

[3:16:20] Voice 1: is up to you as long as they meet some form and character requirements that you would impose

[3:16:26] Voice 1: through a development permit area. So it's just trying to avoid, if possible, situations where

[3:16:33] Voice 1: really I think the greatest concern is a non-profit housing provider has to come back

[3:16:39] Voice 1: to a local trust committee or an island municipality to rezone a property and go through that process

[3:16:45] Voice 1: process um in a way that precludes them from able being able to get a move on on building the

[3:16:50] Voice 1: housing when when circumstances allow so apologies if that's not clear yet from this policy but that

[3:16:56] Voice 1: was um where i was hoping it would would lead all

[3:17:02] Trustee Patrick: right thank you trustee boland

[3:17:06] Voice 23: yeah i mean

[3:17:08] Voice 8: we've tripped over this on saturn where it's so specific that you know the use of multi-family

[3:17:15] Voice 8: residential and elsewhere in the policy we recommend you know increasing density

[3:17:22] Voice 8: in particular places and plus dirt and tiny homes so should we just consider

[3:17:28] Voice 8: removing for affordable and special needs housing and just say implement

[3:17:34] Voice 8: land use regulations and from multi-unit residential development that allow for a

[3:17:42] Voice 8: range of potential configurations on the site to accommodate changing construction conditions with

[3:17:48] Voice 8: form and character controlled through development permit areas i mean you know throughout the policy

[3:17:55] Voice 8: we acknowledge other aspects and where multi-unit residential might be useful

[3:18:03] Voice 8: so maybe we don't need that you know condition in it thanks trustee

[3:18:11] Trustee Patrick: getty um

[3:18:13] Trustee Gedye: i'm not quite sure that

[3:18:14] Trustee Gedye: That's a policy that I would want to support in terms of making it wide open.

[3:18:22] Trustee Gedye: I think that if we've got multi-unit residential development for special needs, whether that's economic or some other special need, I think that that's expanding the envelope appropriately.

[3:18:38] Trustee Gedye: I think that just opening it up in terms of not having any limits on it is problematic.

[3:18:46] Trustee Gedye: And, you know, we've ended up with an apartment building that was approved by a previous council that I would be very much opposed to at this point, personally.

[3:18:59] Trustee Gedye: And there's supposed to be some affordable units in it, but they're very expensive.

[3:19:03] Trustee Gedye: And we're coming up with another proposal now that has got much stricter guidelines in terms of special needs and below market and definitions in terms of who we're building it for.

[3:19:20] Trustee Gedye: But we're going outside the usual, the norm, for a specific reason.

[3:19:28] Trustee Gedye: So I was originally concerned about accommodating changing construction conditions.

[3:19:36] Trustee Gedye: And I think that that is, I'm not sure how that fits with a range of potential configurations.

[3:19:44] Trustee Gedye: I understand, you know, building codes change and people come up with different ideas in terms of how to construct a wall and whether it's prefab or not.

[3:19:54] Trustee Gedye: But I think that that's development permit as opposed to land use regulations.

[3:20:00] Trustee Gedye: regulations

[3:20:04] Voice 19: trustee elliott i think if we're turning ourselves into pretzels to describe what

[3:20:13] Voice 19: we should do to avoid a situation we don't want why don't we just say that there should be

[3:20:25] Voice 19: flexibility in developing land use regulatory approaches for affordable and special needs

[3:20:33] Voice 19: housing that are not constrained by x y and z like describe what you don't want and say that

[3:20:44] Voice 19: your policy should be flexible enough so that you don't end up in a box all

[3:20:54] Trustee Patrick: right i i think you're

[3:20:56] Trustee Patrick: on to a flexibility thing can i leave you to think about that for a moment and craft while we move on

[3:21:01] Trustee Patrick: is that fair no

[3:21:04] Voice 19: but i'll try

[3:21:04] Trustee Patrick: is that all right with everyone well i think that's kind of the

[3:21:09] Trustee Patrick: intent is that uh that may help play with that staff young ones is probably there to uh guide

[3:21:21] Trustee Patrick: you on your comments okay then let's keep moving ahead and we're gonna fuss on that wording because

[3:21:27] Trustee Patrick: that one needs some more thought anything else in that section for advisory policies on housing

[3:21:33] Trustee Patrick: All right. Directive policies on transportation. Advisory policies on transportation. Directive policies on waste. Justy Getty, you had...

[3:22:25] Trustee Patrick: Sorry,

[3:22:26] Trustee Gedye: I'm trying to raise a hand here.

[3:22:28] Trustee Patrick: That's all right.

[3:22:28] Trustee Patrick: So,

[3:22:29] Trustee Gedye: 3.4.18. Let me just try and...

[3:22:35] Trustee Gedye: 25. 3.4.25.

[3:22:38] Trustee Gedye: Oh, okay. Sorry.

[3:22:40] Trustee Gedye: Been redlined.

[3:22:41] Trustee Gedye: So, with a focus on protecting Indigenous peoples' cultural heritage sites, so wastewater disposal, we're looking at systems to mitigate adverse impacts, but I think, is that enough in terms of, with a focus on Indigenous peoples' cultural heritage and marine harvesting areas?

[3:23:13] Trustee Gedye: Yeah.

[3:23:14] Trustee Gedye: Specifically, not mitigating adverse impacts, but protecting.

[3:23:19] Trustee Gedye: i

[3:23:25] Trustee Patrick: think my recollection is that in particular this is about wastewater disposal systems septic

[3:23:31] Trustee Patrick: systems for example and knowing that we do the like clam harvesting areas or clam gardens that

[3:23:40] Trustee Patrick: are being restored and brought back i think that was a primary reason for having this one but

[3:23:48] Trustee Patrick: But anyone have anything to differ?

[3:24:01] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast?

[3:24:03] Trustee Fast: If I may, the wastewater can also be stormwater runoff.

[3:24:12] Trustee Fast: And I know of a place on Bowen where stormwater runoff, whatever you want to call it,

[3:24:22] Trustee Fast: that kind of wastewater uh uh comes down off uh the developed area um and down uh onto a public

[3:24:34] Trustee Fast: beach and uh i think um it's in a park a public park and uh so i just um with the change about

[3:24:47] Trustee Fast: I like the change of calling it wastewater as opposed to septic, but this could also be wastewater from a sewage treatment plant as well, which is usually carried by a pipe out.

[3:25:03] Trustee Fast: Does it go as far as your glass sponge reef or whatever is out there in the environment?

[3:25:08] Trustee Fast: I don't know. I think there's a number of things to think about here.

[3:25:10] Trustee Fast: I do think, though, that I like the word including, and I wonder what people think about putting the word including a focus on Indigenous cultural sites.

[3:25:27] Trustee Fast: Because there are other important reasons, including environmental protection and damaging public beaches, because of the smell and because of how clean is that water that's coming out of the bottom of the cliff and the bottom of the slope.

[3:25:54] Trustee Fast: So I kind of like the word including in there.

[3:25:59] Trustee Fast: Some food for thought, you were asking.

[3:26:01] Trustee Fast: So I'll...

[3:26:02] Trustee Fast: Oh, that's good.

[3:26:03] Voice 19: Trustee Elliott.

[3:26:05] Voice 19: I actually think the word particularly might accomplish what we want.

[3:26:13] Voice 19: Because including sort of is a, oh, don't forget that.

[3:26:20] Voice 19: that whereas particularly because Indigenous Peoples marine harvesting areas are you know

[3:26:30] Voice 19: all along the shoreline and need to be particular like there needs to be particular care for

[3:26:37] Voice 19: Indigenous Peoples cultural heritage sites and marine harvesting areas so I would the the words

[3:26:43] Voice 19: with a focus on is a bit awkward. Could we maybe think of with particular care or

[3:26:54] Voice 19: particularly might just be simpler.

[3:26:58] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to staff. Is there thoughts on

[3:27:02] Trustee Patrick: some of these words before? Is there anyone from staff that wants to jump in?

[3:27:14] Trustee Patrick: No.

[3:27:14] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast? I would like to hear from staff that whether I'm correct in assuming that

[3:27:21] Trustee Fast: stormwater or wastewater runoff or rain uh rain runoff whatever you want to call it is that also

[3:27:29] Trustee Fast: uh considered in this is that included in wastewater disposal system and

[3:27:38] Trustee Patrick: looking to staff

[3:27:39] Trustee Patrick: go ahead uh staff your ones oh i see yeah in

[3:27:47] Voice 1: intuitively i would not uh bundle stormwater in

[3:27:50] Voice 1: with with wastewater disposal systems I'm to my mind at least this relates to on-site

[3:27:59] Voice 1: on-site sewage disposal systems right which may eventually percolate off the lot line you know as

[3:28:04] Voice 1: as things work their way down through the soil I am this does not make me think of um water that

[3:28:10] Voice 1: may be discharged off of a site and into a drainage ditch for example that then works its way downhill

[3:28:16] Voice 1: hill but i

[3:28:20] Trustee Patrick: see uh go ahead uh william uh

[3:28:24] Voice 29: hi thank you um uh yeah i think this like to draw a line

[3:28:29] Voice 29: that this is definitely not speaking to stormwater um stormwater is a is quite a unique um item to

[3:28:38] Voice 29: discuss because um for the large part um any stormwater impacts uh it's a jurisdictional gap

[3:28:45] Voice 29: And often it's a civil matter between property owners.

[3:28:50] Voice 29: I think Jason makes a good point of speaking to on-site wastewater disposal compared to

[3:28:59] Voice 29: community water systems, because on-site wastewater is supposed to be handled and returned back

[3:29:06] Voice 29: to the environment on-site, where I think Trustee Fast was talking about community water

[3:29:11] Voice 29: systems with outlet pipes that go into the ocean, those are two vastly different

[3:29:17] Voice 29: types of wastewater systems. But I would think that, yeah, like overland flow coming from

[3:29:22] Voice 29: on-site wastewater systems shouldn't occur, that they're designed for that not to happen.

[3:29:29] Voice 29: So if there is some sort of runoff coming from a property, then that's likely the case of a

[3:29:36] Voice 29: failing septic system. But yeah, I think stormwater is a very significant topic, but is not covered

[3:29:43] Voice 29: under the directive policies of waste. All

[3:29:49] Trustee Fast: right, Trustee Fast? Thank you very much.

[3:29:51] Trustee Fast: That clarifies things for me. And then my follow-up question is, where is stormwater?

[3:30:00] Trustee Fast: handled in the directive policies here because we're expecting more extreme water events we're

[3:30:09] Trustee Fast: replacing a whole bunch of culverts on bowen uh because of climate change is there a place um in

[3:30:16] Trustee Fast: did i miss it where is stormwater or runoff uh handled does anybody know uh trustee evans

[3:30:29] Voice 9: I guess my question would be, is that within our jurisdiction to deal with stormwater runoff, or is that something that belongs to a different agency?

[3:30:44] Trustee Patrick: We're getting lots of questions. I see Williams put his camera on anyway, and I see the boardroom's got their camera on. So competing staff answers, who wants to go first?

[3:30:53] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[3:30:55] Voice 29: I could just step in here and with the exception of municipality that can have their own stormwater management plan in rural environments that aren't in the municipality, it's the regional district that would have a stormwater management plan or service for that matter.

[3:31:14] Voice 29: And to my knowledge, the only service that is in the Island Shrest area is on Salt Spring.

[3:31:21] Voice 29: There's a stormwater service that was contributing to SWPA.

[3:31:26] Voice 29: And so other than that, stormwater is usually in the jurisdiction of a regional district for like regionally.

[3:31:39] Voice 29: but but there can be provisions within uh zoning and the land use bylaw to uh and within rezoning

[3:31:46] Voice 29: applications to uh address storm water um i know of like several cases where in existing uh developed

[3:31:55] Voice 29: areas of the island trust area where there's storm water impacts from one neighbor to the other uh

[3:32:00] Voice 29: that there there's a jurisdictional gap there and it usually goes to um a civil matter and i see a

[3:32:07] Voice 29: Director of Planning Services might save me here.

[3:32:10] Trustee Patrick: Yes, we have

[3:32:11] Trustee Patrick: Director Cermak.

[3:32:15] Voice 28: Well, I saw others with their hands up first here, but

[3:32:17] Voice 28: since you called on me, I'll contribute what I wanted to say, is I think

[3:32:21] Voice 28: the easiest way for us to think about how the islands can regulate

[3:32:25] Voice 28: stormwater management is in the regulation of land use

[3:32:29] Voice 28: properties themselves, so we can create a site plan that

[3:32:34] Voice 28: at time of subdivision, when you're creating it,

[3:32:36] Voice 28: how the water flows and drains off the property

[3:32:41] Voice 28: can be regulated within your subdivision controls

[3:32:43] Voice 28: through the Land Title Act.

[3:32:45] Voice 28: However, once that hits the right-of-ways,

[3:32:47] Voice 28: generally whether it's a beach or a road

[3:32:50] Voice 28: where most of that is then, you know,

[3:32:53] Voice 28: it's sent somewhere, that's where we don't.

[3:32:56] Voice 28: So the Islands Trust regulates the land use

[3:32:59] Voice 28: through the Land Title Act

[3:33:00] Voice 28: or stormwater management at time of subdivision.

[3:33:03] Voice 28: You can put conditions there,

[3:33:04] Voice 28: but you don't actually regulate it once it hits public right-of-ways.

[3:33:09] Voice 28: I hope that helps.

[3:33:12] Voice 28: Usually, Director Marder will give you the numbers and codes

[3:33:15] Voice 28: and the actual regulations and acts, but that's my level synopsis.

[3:33:21] Voice 28: All right.

[3:33:23] Voice 8: Trustee Boland.

[3:33:27] Voice 8: My feeling about this is that we don't, you know,

[3:33:32] Voice 8: culverts, et cetera, are not necessarily our business.

[3:33:35] Voice 8: However, mitigation in terms of reducing runoff, so encouraging permeable, encouraging vegetation and discouraging concrete steep driveways.

[3:33:51] Voice 8: and i don't know how to encapture that in an advisory policy but perhaps we could make a

[3:33:57] Voice 8: statement that you know and in the light of climate change that we should reduce

[3:34:04] Voice 8: the rate and the amount of runoff as far as possible and i don't think we can go beyond

[3:34:12] Voice 8: that particularly but i do recognize that it's a problem and we in particular did suffer from it

[3:34:18] Voice 8: from us and we did have a

[3:34:20] Voice 8: neighbour to neighbour

[3:34:22] Voice 8: dispute about how it was handled

[3:34:24] Voice 8: so I do recognise that

[3:34:26] Voice 8: it's a problem but I'm not sure that we can

[3:34:28] Voice 8: do more than

[3:34:30] Voice 8: recommend

[3:34:31] Voice 8: general policies

[3:34:34] Voice 8: about permeable surfaces

[3:34:36] Voice 8: and

[3:34:38] Voice 8: using vegetation to reduce the rate

[3:34:40] Voice 8: and the amount. Thanks.

[3:34:43] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:34:45] Trustee Fast: I won't take up too much more time

[3:34:47] Trustee Fast: except to say

[3:34:48] Trustee Fast: that on Bowen, it's getting drier here, even though we're wetter than lots of Gulf Islands,

[3:34:55] Trustee Fast: I know. And I'm promoting this idea of a sponge island, as some cities are promoting themselves

[3:35:02] Trustee Fast: as sponge cities. I think we need to slow rainwater from leaving a property, let it soak

[3:35:08] Trustee Fast: into the ground, not speed it away into the ditch quickly. And I think it's Nanaimo that has a whole

[3:35:14] Trustee Fast: bunch of um uh rainwater capture um policies and regulations and they're trying to actually

[3:35:23] Trustee Fast: uh keep groundwater and and keep water in their soils and vegetation i think we need to think

[3:35:30] Trustee Fast: about that so i'll put some thought towards um uh what we might uh add thank you all

[3:35:40] Trustee Patrick: right thanks

[3:35:41] Trustee Patrick: Thanks. All right. I just want to let's do a quick straw poll then on this for three, four, twenty five.

[3:35:48] Trustee Patrick: Is there a desire to change the wording that's there that has a with a focus on Indigenous peoples, cultural heritage sites and marine harvesting areas?

[3:35:59] Trustee Patrick: If I'm looking for is there interest in changing that wording?

[3:36:03] Trustee Patrick: Is there anyone who wants to change that wording from what's presented?

[3:36:08] Trustee Patrick: one two all right so three four oh they're waking up now um so we've got four people who think that

[3:36:20] Trustee Patrick: wording needs to be changed um if you've got a um all right fine we got if there's a proposal

[3:36:27] Trustee Patrick: for how to change it i'm looking for a proposal trustee

[3:36:39] Voice 8: boland oh sorry my hand was still up

[3:36:43] Voice 8: you're stuck

[3:36:44] Voice 8: with the proposal now i i think we need a little bit more time to think about it but

[3:36:48] Voice 8: But I do think we need to change it because, yeah, the previous discussion.

[3:36:56] Voice 8: But what sort of timeline?

[3:36:57] Voice 8: What could we do?

[3:36:58] Voice 8: And I'd be happy to try and work on something.

[3:37:03] Voice 8: Well, our timeline is this afternoon.

[3:37:06] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:37:07] Voice 8: So maybe after the next, will

[3:37:11] Trustee Patrick: we have a break?

[3:37:14] Trustee Patrick: We may have a break.

[3:37:15] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Peterson?

[3:37:18] Voice 6: Yeah, thank you.

[3:37:19] Voice 6: I was just looking at Trustee Getty's notes.

[3:37:23] Voice 6: Her recommendation was to add the word protecting between Focus On and Indigenous Peoples.

[3:37:33] Voice 6: And that sort of gets to the, I think, the crux of it for me there.

[3:37:40] Voice 6: if we're going to be tinkering with the wording there.

[3:37:44] Voice 6: I think that protecting the heritage sites

[3:37:50] Voice 6: and rain harvesting areas is kind of the point here to me.

[3:37:54] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:37:56] Trustee Patrick: All right, Trustee Getty.

[3:37:58] Trustee Gedye: So, Trustee Peterson, that was for emphasis,

[3:38:01] Trustee Gedye: but I gather from the conversation

[3:38:03] Trustee Gedye: that mitigate adverse impacts is enough

[3:38:06] Trustee Gedye: and that we've gone into runoff.

[3:38:08] Trustee Gedye: um so uh if there's going to be more work on this later in terms of um changing any of the wording

[3:38:16] Trustee Gedye: um we can play with that all

[3:38:21] Voice 8: right trustee bolin um i'm sorry i'm putting my hand up and down

[3:38:27] Voice 8: unintentionally but i i'm losing track of this seems to be a couple of things bundled in together

[3:38:34] Voice 8: so wastewater disposal is septic and i mean anything you do on your property

[3:38:38] Voice 8: i'm assuming comes under the need to protect cultural heritage sites you know everything you

[3:38:49] Voice 8: do will have to be fact have that as a factor so i'm just wondering are we really talking about

[3:38:57] Voice 8: runoff and not do we need to talk about wastewater disposal at all in this context because it's built

[3:39:06] Voice 8: into your development paramesh etc etc this

[3:39:09] Trustee Patrick: is really about what's leaving septic systems

[3:39:12] Trustee Patrick: leaching through the soil and getting into the waterways um so that's why it's here and that

[3:39:18] Trustee Patrick: is an issue with marine harvesting so it is you know it's it applies to setbacks how close you

[3:39:26] Trustee Patrick: are and all of those things um trusty gary um

[3:39:31] Trustee Gedye: with respect it's not just uh septic so there's

[3:39:35] Trustee Gedye: You know, people that divert water from their roof and from drainage around the house and all the rest of it.

[3:39:42] Trustee Gedye: And whether we get into rainwater collection and some other things.

[3:39:47] Trustee Gedye: So this is, I think this is general enough in terms of citing new wastewater disposal systems.

[3:39:53] Trustee Gedye: And it has to do with, you know, if you don't have jurisdiction over subdivisions and you do over, you know, some other development permit kinds of things.

[3:40:05] Trustee Gedye: then it's keeping in mind that there's more than just septic trustee morrison hey

[3:40:15] Voice 32: um so i missed

[3:40:17] Voice 32: unfortunately a chunk in the middle so i apologize if this sounds a little repetitive for something

[3:40:22] Voice 32: but um from my perspective anything with fresh water that's not septic is covered under 3.35

[3:40:29] Voice 32: under um so and i would have thought that included things like um runoff or off roofs or any kind of

[3:40:37] Voice 32: management of freshwater resources, I think would be under 3.35. So from my perspective,

[3:40:44] Voice 32: this is more about waste in terms of water that has to be treated in some way. So and maybe that

[3:40:52] Voice 32: does include some roof water, if I'm misunderstanding, Trustee Getty, but it and perhaps

[3:40:57] Voice 32: gray water, but it's definitely something that's about impacts of downstream systems specifically.

[3:41:03] Voice 32: specifically yeah

[3:41:08] Trustee Patrick: all right i'm going to move on then um somebody can come back for proposals if

[3:41:15] Trustee Patrick: they have any so we're going to go from waste to recreation directive policies for recreation are

[3:41:20] Trustee Patrick: there any comments for that one trustee getty

[3:41:24] Trustee Gedye: okay the way that um what do we got here 27

[3:41:31] Trustee Gedye: location and types of recreational facilities here we go again with facilities but um

[3:41:37] Trustee Gedye: And we had, with the camping on Cape Roger Curtis, we had significant debate and resistance against what we considered a low-impact activity that had major impacts on all sorts of other, both infrastructure and community and transportation and all the rest of it.

[3:42:01] Trustee Gedye: So this, the wording of this particular section doesn't actually cover the kinds of problems that we had.

[3:42:09] Trustee Gedye: So, yes, we want to identify appropriate locations for and types of and access to facilities for low impact and active recreational activities and discourage.

[3:42:21] Trustee Gedye: um i think it's either it's recreational activities period that may have adversely

[3:42:29] Trustee Gedye: impact preservation and protection of the trust area and its unique amenities and environment so

[3:42:34] Trustee Gedye: um i don't distinguish between necessarily high impact and low impact with respect to

[3:42:41] Trustee Gedye: activities that may adversely uh impact and i think that if we'd had a clause like this

[3:42:46] Trustee Gedye: in place we wouldn't have gotten into the arguments in terms of but this is low impact

[3:42:51] Trustee Gedye: how can you possibly be objecting to it and um you know that was that was potentially a weakness

[3:43:03] Trustee Gedye: i like i prefer this to be um discourage activities that may take out high impact

[3:43:11] Trustee Patrick: you're just saying and discourage activities that may adversely impact preservation yep

[3:43:17] Trustee Patrick: Yeah. Trustee Fast?

[3:43:20] Trustee Patrick: I

[3:43:21] Trustee Fast: agree with Trustee Getty.

[3:43:22] Trustee Fast: I think low impact activities done by tons and tons of people coming in their big pickup trucks and campers, for example, can be very problematic.

[3:43:38] Trustee Fast: So just taking out the words high impact, I think, would do it there in terms of keeping the focus on the environment.

[3:43:50] Trustee Fast: environment and area and its unique amenities. Thank you.

[3:43:56] Voice 33: Thank you, Trustee Yates. I agree,

[3:43:59] Voice 33: just take out high impact because it's quite objective. Sorry, subjective. Thank you.

[3:44:06] Voice 33: Trustee Morrison. I

[3:44:10] Voice 32: respect all the work that's been done in the community of the whole on this

[3:44:14] Voice 32: and I know because of my schedule, it's not been so easy to make midday meetings, but I am

[3:44:20] Voice 32: I am questioning that this fits within the Islands Trust Act mandate.

[3:44:27] Voice 32: I understand that it may fit within our coordinating with other layers of government on local impact or, sorry, on services.

[3:44:36] Voice 32: But I feel like this is overstretching our mandate to some degree.

[3:44:42] Voice 32: so I'm struggling to like understand how the first part of it identifying locations for and types of

[3:44:50] Voice 32: access to facilities for low impact and active recreation I don't know that we're our job is to

[3:44:56] Voice 32: actively seek recreational sites I think our job is to ensure that if they're there like they're

[3:45:02] Voice 32: part of community planning in our role in LTCs but I just don't understand why that sits in the

[3:45:08] Voice 32: the policy statement i can see where it sits in our bylaws i just don't see why it sits in the

[3:45:12] Voice 32: policy statement

[3:45:15] Trustee Patrick: trustee elliott i think trustee yates was first uh oh sorry yeah i didn't mean

[3:45:25] Trustee Patrick: to jump over trustee yates sorry i have your your mic is open trustee yates

[3:45:40] Trustee Patrick: you're trying

[3:45:40] Voice 19: to wait i've lost connection sorry oh we

[3:45:43] Voice 19: can hear you okay i'll go and maybe you can

[3:45:48] Voice 19: and get back online.

[3:45:51] Voice 19: I kind of agree with Trustee Morrison here.

[3:45:54] Voice 19: Regulating recreational facilities is a little outside.

[3:46:00] Voice 19: Is it recreational areas?

[3:46:01] Voice 19: Because we do zone for recreational areas

[3:46:06] Voice 19: and community gathering spaces.

[3:46:10] Voice 19: There I am.

[3:46:16] Voice 33: Okay, Trustee Yates, are you back up and running?

[3:46:19] Voice 33: Yeah, sorry.

[3:46:20] Voice 33: sorry the winds just started to blow here and I like literally lost the the video but I thought

[3:46:26] Voice 33: my audio was still on anyway I think we need to leave it in here it's a really good guidance

[3:46:34] Voice 33: policy for official community plans and I just agree that taking high impact out is a good idea

[3:46:42] Voice 33: and I'll leave it at that thank you I'm

[3:46:45] Trustee Patrick: gonna look to the boardroom is hands raised in the

[3:46:48] Trustee Patrick: boardroom yeah

[3:46:50] Voice 11: that would be me i just wanted to comment on the recreational facilities so

[3:46:56] Voice 11: three years zoning you can establish different levels of activities in recreational areas such

[3:47:01] Voice 11: as parks so it is appropriate for something like this if you wish it's not the actual facility it's

[3:47:08] Voice 11: the intensity of the use on the land that you're regulating and it'd be up to local trust

[3:47:13] Voice 11: trust committees to determine what's appropriate for them within the policy.

[3:47:19] Trustee Patrick: All right. Thank you. Trustee Evans?

[3:47:23] Voice 9: Yeah, that was pretty much going to be my point too, was that this is about identifying

[3:47:27] Voice 9: appropriate locations for zoning. And I also agree with removing the words high impact.

[3:47:37] Trustee Patrick: All right. Trustee Morrison?

[3:47:38] Trustee Patrick: Thank

[3:47:39] Voice 32: you. It's a subtle argument, but it's kind of important. So there are things that are in our mandate in LTCs that are not actually in our Trust Council mandate. So there are things that we are responsible for in our LTCs to the Local Government Act that inside the Trust Council in terms of the policy statement, they don't necessarily need to be there.

[3:48:06] Voice 32: And I do like the idea that if they're going to be there, we have that secondary piece, because that seems really important to me. But it's the active stance in here that we are going to identify these locations. That's a function of our local government rule and LTCs.

[3:48:25] Voice 32: so I guess you know I don't want to wordsmith in this council right now but it's it's basically

[3:48:33] Voice 32: like you know the universal thing I would say in this the type of area of land use planning

[3:48:39] Voice 32: because I agree you know David's not wrong you know but the universal thing I would say when

[3:48:46] Voice 32: it comes to land use planning is that we should always be you know doing these to discourage

[3:48:51] Voice 32: adverse impacts to preservation and protection of the trust mandate for sure right um but saying

[3:48:58] Voice 32: that we should actively be organizing for these these other things that's actually not in our

[3:49:04] Voice 32: mandate we respond to applications for them so or we community plan with them with our ocps but

[3:49:10] Voice 32: that's in our ltc space so i'm not gonna like die on this hill but it's it's a bit of an issue for

[3:49:16] Voice 32: me because it feels like it's an overreach and it's like an everything in the kitchen sink problem

[3:49:19] Voice 32: in the policy statement trustee

[3:49:23] Trustee Fast: first uh thank you and i will make a motion after this um but

[3:49:29] Trustee Fast: i just wanted to say uh location and types of recreation facilities uh this could include

[3:49:35] Trustee Fast: parks including nature parks and uh that fill a multi-solving role of protecting the environment

[3:49:43] Trustee Fast: and connecting uh communities as i'm sure uh my colleague deb morrison knows very well that

[3:49:49] Trustee Fast: But people who are connected to nature are more inclined to appreciate it and care for it.

[3:49:57] Trustee Fast: And that's just parks.

[3:49:59] Trustee Fast: I mean, sometimes there are amenities that are offered through rezoning proposals, in my experience, that include things like sports fields.

[3:50:12] Trustee Fast: and in which case this language might be useful

[3:50:20] Trustee Fast: unless it was attached to a school.

[3:50:21] Trustee Fast: I think this language is okay.

[3:50:24] Trustee Fast: And I particularly like the fact that only in this spot

[3:50:28] Trustee Fast: can you get the and access to, which implies public beaches

[3:50:33] Trustee Fast: and places that people can walk to through other areas.

[3:50:40] Trustee Fast: So it implies the land use planning of having a pedestrian network or an active transportation network.

[3:50:48] Trustee Fast: Anyway, lots of good things I can see about this. I can see a few things that are not good, but I think in general it's helpful.

[3:50:55] Trustee Fast: And I'll just make a motion. And the chair doesn't want me to read the front half, so I won't read it.

[3:51:02] Trustee Fast: I'll just say that to adjust Directive Policy 3.4.27 to read, identify appropriate locations for, types of, and access to facilities for low-impact and active recreational activities, and discourage activities that may adversely impact the preservation and protection of the trust area and its unique amenities and environment.

[3:51:28] Trustee Fast: Over.

[3:51:29] Trustee Fast: okay before that's up just uh looks

[3:51:33] Trustee Patrick: like that got captured does the wording look good

[3:51:38] Voice 25: all

[3:51:39] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second is that there's a second in that trustee yates

[3:51:43] Trustee Patrick: is there any discussion i'll call the vote then all those in favor

[3:51:52] Trustee Patrick: i

[3:51:58] Voice 12: see 12 hands up all

[3:52:00] Trustee Patrick: right thank you lower your hands any opposed and that carries

[3:52:13] Trustee Patrick: Okay, moving along. I'd like to pick up the pace a little bit, everyone. Our time is getting tighter. Trustee Elliott.

[3:52:19] Trustee Patrick: Thank

[3:52:21] Voice 19: you, Chair. So back to the policy 3.4.18, the multi-unit residential that we're having trouble with.

[3:52:30] Voice 19: Yep. Had a bit of back and forth with policy advisor Yeomans and understand that flexibility is not really allowed because these are the tool to ensure that special needs housing is accommodated, is through housing agreements, and those are bylaws.

[3:52:51] Voice 19: And so it's difficult to ensure flexibility. But there's two optional motions that might, I think, just removing the changing construction standards could do what we were hoping.

[3:53:13] Voice 19: Alexander, do you have the motions that I had? I'm sure if there's other changes there. So

[3:53:19] Voice 19: to implement land use regulations for affordable and special needs housing,

[3:53:23] Voice 19: other multi-unit residential development that ensures a range of potential site configurations

[3:53:30] Voice 19: are permitted, comma, and control form and character through development permit areas.

[3:53:36] Voice 19: is so the the first was my first take on it flexibility in there but if that's not allowed

[3:53:47] Voice 19: if we could just ensure a range of potential site configurations are permitted

[3:53:54] Voice 19: how does that land so

[3:54:00] Trustee Patrick: staff were okay with that the or one the second piece did

[3:54:05] Voice 19: not hear back

[3:54:06] Voice 19: on that second one might need more time take a look

[3:54:15] Voice 1: sorry i'm just reading through it okay

[3:54:18] Trustee Patrick: give staff a moment everyone take a moment to read that second one i see director sir mac

[3:54:33] Trustee Patrick: or did you change your mind i

[3:54:38] Voice 28: well okay i'll express my thoughts here um express your thoughts

[3:54:42] Voice 28: thank you chair um you know it's always hard to do these things on the fly as you all know the um

[3:54:48] Voice 28: So the word insurers is just the one that kind of caught me.

[3:54:52] Voice 28: You know, I was thinking, you know, something less guarantoring,

[3:54:57] Voice 28: guaranteeing something, you know, that supports,

[3:55:00] Voice 28: something that softens that word.

[3:55:01] Voice 28: That's it, because we want to, yeah,

[3:55:04] Voice 28: I wouldn't want that to be a deal breaker.

[3:55:07] Trustee Patrick: So

[3:55:07] Voice 19: Trustee Elliott, would supports be,

[3:55:10] Voice 19: or allow for a range of potential site configurations or permits?

[3:55:15] Voice 19: Or permits, yeah.

[3:55:16] Voice 28: Yeah, like I said, I

[3:55:17] Voice 28: think insurers is a bit final.

[3:55:20] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:55:21] Trustee Patrick: So permits.

[3:55:24] Trustee Patrick: So there you go, Alexandra, if you could change that to permits for now.

[3:55:27] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Yates.

[3:55:30] Trustee Patrick: Exactly my thought.

[3:55:31] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[3:55:32] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[3:55:33] Trustee Patrick: So I guess if you could remove that first one, then, Alexandra, that's the one that's up there.

[3:55:39] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Fast?

[3:55:40] Voice 19: And then we want to remove the are permitted.

[3:55:42] Voice 19: Thank you, Alex.

[3:55:45] Voice 19: Alexandra.

[3:55:46] Trustee Patrick: Thanks.

[3:55:47] Trustee Patrick: Alexandra, yeah, the second. There we go.

[3:55:49] Trustee Fast: Can I just say?

[3:55:52] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[3:55:53] Trustee Fast: That's what I was going to say. And also that it also includes the words permit areas, but that's fine. Okay, thank you.

[3:55:59] Trustee Fast: All right. So Trustee Elliott, if you'd like to read that motion then.

[3:56:02] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:56:06] Voice 19: I move that Committee of the Whole recommend to Trust Council that Trust Council revise the draft policy statement by amending Policy 3.4.18 to read multi-unit residential, implement land use regulations for affordable and special needs housing and other multi-unit residential development that permits a range of potential site configurations.

[3:56:26] Voice 19: configurations and i have a question should it be to control form and character through

[3:56:32] Voice 19: development permit areas and control form and character through permit element development

[3:56:38] Voice 19: permit areas just

[3:56:41] Trustee Patrick: look to stop make sure the wording was right before it gets seconded

[3:56:44] Trustee Patrick: and

[3:56:49] Voice 19: with it should be that

[3:56:52] Voice 19: permits and to control form and character through development permit

[3:57:00] Voice 19: permit areas yeah it's still a problematic phrase just

[3:57:06] Trustee Patrick: a second what was there before

[3:57:07] Trustee Patrick: should

[3:57:08] Voice 8: it just be and controls so yeah maybe land use regulations and love of that and controls

[3:57:21] Trustee Patrick: yes it looks good is that okay i'm looking to stop any any problems

[3:57:28] Trustee Patrick: I think

[3:57:33] Voice 16: it should be singular.

[3:57:35] Trustee Patrick: Give staff a moment.

[3:57:40] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:57:41] Voice 18: Chair Patrick, I would say the verb permit should be singular as regulations is plural.

[3:57:48] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[3:57:48] Trustee Patrick: That permit, if we could just, there we go.

[3:57:52] Trustee Patrick: And control.

[3:57:54] Trustee Patrick: And control.

[3:57:55] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[3:58:00] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second on that motion then?

[3:58:05] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Yates.

[3:58:06] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[3:58:07] Trustee Patrick: question trustee

[3:58:14] Voice 32: morrison um i was concerned about the form and character through development

[3:58:21] Voice 32: permit areas because my understanding given some of the things that went on last term on south

[3:58:25] Voice 32: pender was that we could not control form character that that was outside our jurisdiction

[3:58:31] Voice 32: could i just get a clarification from staff on this for

[3:58:35] Trustee Patrick: director sermac oops there he is sure

[3:58:42] Voice 28: for some reason the clicks were not clicking um sure we can control form and character through

[3:58:48] Voice 28: development permit areas for multifamily commercial and industrial uses in an industrial

[3:58:53] Voice 28: area. So that's specifically where the legislation allows one to do so. And I'll use Salt Springs

[3:58:58] Voice 28: as an example. They do that in development permit area one in the Ganges and other areas.

[3:59:06] Voice 28: However, what this policy is trying to avoid is undeliberately controlling form and character

[3:59:14] Voice 28: or through zoning.

[3:59:15] Voice 28: So as Jason Yeomans mentioned earlier,

[3:59:18] Voice 28: that sometimes unintentionally,

[3:59:20] Voice 28: by restricting uses of a certain sort

[3:59:23] Voice 28: to just duplexes, triplexes, or what have you,

[3:59:25] Voice 28: or where they sit on the property,

[3:59:28] Voice 28: we've in fact constrained the potential

[3:59:30] Voice 28: for multifamily to be laid out

[3:59:33] Voice 28: in a way that is easier for them.

[3:59:35] Voice 28: So we're trying to make it easier for flexibility,

[3:59:37] Voice 28: but you're correct, the form and character itself

[3:59:40] Voice 28: as a regulatory tool is only permissible

[3:59:42] Voice 28: in the form of a development permit area for multifamily commercial and industrial uses.

[3:59:49] Voice 32: Okay. So the difference on South Pender last term was that they were trying to do it for

[3:59:52] Voice 32: a single family residential, I

[3:59:54] Voice 23: think. That would not be permitted.

[3:59:55] Voice 32: Correct. All right. Any further discussion?

[4:00:03] Trustee Patrick: All right, then I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[4:00:15] Voice 12: I see 17 hands up.

[4:00:17] Trustee Patrick: All right, lower your hands. Any opposed? And that carries.

[4:00:28] Trustee Patrick: All right, trustees, how are we doing here?

[4:00:31] Trustee Patrick: So we're moving on then. That way, fixed house, so we were back in transportation.

[4:00:36] Trustee Patrick: Where were we? Waste. Recreation facilities. Sorry, we bounce up and forward here.

[4:00:40] Trustee Patrick: so any more in recreation facilities directive policies if not we're going to move on to goal

[4:00:53] Trustee Patrick: five for set goal five then directive policies for freshwater how about advisory policies for

[4:01:10] Trustee Patrick: freshwater i think uh trustee getty you had a is this just a wording or is this something more

[4:01:15] Trustee Patrick: significant let

[4:01:22] Trustee Gedye: me try and find it um

[4:01:23] Trustee Patrick: three five six okay

[4:01:32] Trustee Gedye: yeah i've got the numbers that they've

[4:01:35] Trustee Gedye: changed from when i played with this so um i think it's just um pedantic in terms of habitat uses

[4:01:47] Trustee Gedye: it's just habitat um and it's i'm not sure um the aesthetic and let's see strive to ensure that

[4:01:59] Trustee Gedye: But water quality in lake streams, wetlands is maintained freshwater uses, not to the detriment of the uses of other uses of waterways, such as fish and amphibian habitat, indigenous cultural and spiritual uses and aesthetic and recreational uses.

[4:02:13] Trustee Gedye: So I don't understand what they ensure that the water quality doesn't negatively affect recreational uses.

[4:02:23] Trustee Gedye: is my, and I'm not sure if it's this policy or it's some other, but my experience has been that

[4:02:30] Trustee Gedye: the use of recreational uses of fresh water has a negative impact. So it's sort of the exact

[4:02:38] Trustee Gedye: opposite. And I'm not sure where that fits, if at all.

[4:02:45] Trustee Patrick: Does that make sense?

[4:02:46] Trustee Patrick: I think so. I'm going to look to, I see William Shulba.

[4:02:49] Trustee Patrick: Hi

[4:02:52] Voice 29: there. Thank you, Chair. I've had this discussion before, staff, to get clarity myself, and I think the intention is to strive to ensure that water quality in lakes, as it relates to swimming, is a recreational use.

[4:03:09] Voice 29: So if there is some sort of activity that's causing, say, nutrient runoff and causing algal blooms that can impact the recreational use of the water body should be ensured that it should not be to the detriment of that.

[4:03:27] Voice 29: So I think that's what it's relating to.

[4:03:30] Voice 29: All

[4:03:34] Trustee Patrick: right. Follow up, Trustee Getty.

[4:03:36] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[4:03:37] Trustee Gedye: So is there something in the policy statement that has to do with the negative effects of swimming in a, you know, a water body, freshwater lake that is the water system, for instance?

[4:03:55] Trustee Gedye: So, it's a recreational use that, you know, we've just had a water quality study that says that there's all sorts of pathogens and drugs and problems with respect to public swimming in a water district.

[4:04:12] Trustee Gedye: So, it's the opposite of this.

[4:04:16] Trustee Patrick: William Shilbo?

[4:04:17] Trustee Patrick: uh

[4:04:19] Voice 29: might have to defer to the director of planning services here but i i imagine that the focus here

[4:04:23] Voice 29: is is not to um you know the the swimming regulation in public waters is outside the

[4:04:30] Voice 29: jurisdiction of the islands trust so in this case it's freshwater uses as it relates to

[4:04:35] Voice 29: the business of the islands trust so this would be land use development and and other aspects that

[4:04:41] Voice 29: we have our jurisdiction on um and i think that's where this uh advisory policy is directed to um

[4:04:49] Voice 29: i could i could be wrong on that um yeah

[4:04:53] Voice 19: trustee elliott thank you so i had a question yeah also

[4:05:01] Voice 19: about 3.5 actually back up to 3.5.1 fresh water sustainability we skipped over it a bit

[4:05:09] Voice 19: quickly can we finish this one yes i apologize yeah

[4:05:14] Trustee Patrick: that's all right it's my own fault let's

[4:05:16] Trustee Patrick: wrap up this one um comments on three five six as it's shown on the screen trustee yates

[4:05:21] Trustee Patrick: what

[4:05:23] Voice 33: if we just left out the word recreational altogether because i have real problems with that

[4:05:29] Voice 33: as well um it's not our duty to provide recreational uh swimming or boating or whatever

[4:05:37] Voice 33: uh and we have you know we do have other uh comments on recreation elsewhere that

[4:05:44] Voice 33: does say we support recreation so what if we just left out that word recreation that might solve the

[4:05:51] Voice 33: problem trustee morrison

[4:05:55] Trustee Patrick: um

[4:05:59] Voice 32: just to the question now i'm a little bit confused if it's trustee

[4:06:03] Voice 32: getty or somebody else who asked it but i think the opposite of this one um from my perspective

[4:06:09] Voice 32: would be the one actually that trustee elliott just pointed out around freshwater sustainability

[4:06:13] Voice 32: sustainability um so i think that's what i would see as the opposite of this one so i do think both

[4:06:19] Voice 32: sides of this are covered all

[4:06:22] Trustee Patrick: right so i'm not seeing any land changes other than you saw too

[4:06:29] Trustee Patrick: many habitat uses but uh there's no proposal to change that then can we jump up and up go ahead

[4:06:38] Trustee Patrick: sorry i

[4:06:40] Voice 32: heard trustee fast i thought it was say that we should remove recreation

[4:06:45] Voice 32: or somebody there

[4:06:48] Trustee Patrick: was a suggestion about that but um trust uh william shulbert yeah

[4:06:54] Voice 29: thanks for that

[4:06:55] Voice 29: um so so the the recreational use of of freshwater and also like near shore marine is is obviously

[4:07:04] Voice 29: intricately connected uh to land use planning and um i uh for example um working with uh hornby

[4:07:13] Voice 29: water stewardship um like the province goes out and and measures uh e coli in in um in in

[4:07:22] Voice 29: recreational areas so so there is a consideration um for recreation um as it stands and and there's

[4:07:30] Voice 29: regulatory environment around that closing out lakes due to blue green algae and all those things

[4:07:36] Voice 29: So as the work of the Adventist Trust progresses, there is a consideration there.

[4:07:43] Voice 29: So if, say, E. coli in water, which may not affect these other considerations as much as a sensitive metric like children swimming in water,

[4:07:58] Voice 29: um it's it's it's likely a um a good advisory policy to have because it is a sensitive metric

[4:08:06] Voice 29: to to water quality changes um uh and and that could be a consequence directly related to the

[4:08:13] Voice 29: business of the islets trust thanks all

[4:08:20] Trustee Patrick: right uh trustee elliot are you still um waiting to speak

[4:08:24] Trustee Patrick: to your other issue not this one okay so trustee morrison i'm

[4:08:30] Voice 32: sorry i feel like that i agree with

[4:08:33] Voice 32: With Trustee Yates, I really do feel like, and not to disagree with Mr. Shula, but I just think that we're starting to get to the edge of what is our responsibility.

[4:08:49] Voice 32: And I want us to be really careful about the trust policy statement that we don't promise a bunch of things that are not in our mandate, because it raises expectations.

[4:08:58] Voice 32: And so I really have some concerns about that.

[4:09:00] Voice 32: I think that what Mr. Schiller just named is actually part of our responsibility under the other principles around cooperating with other governments to make sure that services are provided and ecosystem health is already captured in these other things.

[4:09:14] Voice 32: So I don't know where the template motion is, but I would ask for the removal of and recreational uses.

[4:09:20] Voice 32: places

[4:09:22] Trustee Patrick: i'm i'm i'd offer a difference of opinion that you know we could by putting too many houses

[4:09:30] Trustee Patrick: around a lake or doing other things could actually result in polluting that that lake

[4:09:36] Trustee Patrick: and that recreational uses of our water bodies in these islands is is critical people do swim

[4:09:42] Trustee Patrick: i pass the lake every every day and it's crowded with people swimming um so it is an important

[4:09:49] Trustee Patrick: important aspect of of the islands trustee dobbs yeah

[4:09:53] Voice 4: i i would be opposed to taking out

[4:09:56] Voice 4: recreational uses if you were telling me you were going to get rid of the geese that would protect

[4:10:00] Voice 4: the water i don't think recreational uses are the problem at all in terms of quality of water and

[4:10:06] Voice 4: it's part of people's lifestyle i don't have a lake on main island but certainly i know that

[4:10:10] Voice 4: on salt spring there's lakes and on pender there's lakes and people do use them and they appreciate

[4:10:15] Voice 4: shape them so it's not really something that that is going to in any way change the water quality

[4:10:21] Voice 4: um there are rules around electric elk lakes an example where i think it's strictly electric

[4:10:27] Voice 4: motors things like that are regulated by someone outside of the trust but if we're planning a

[4:10:31] Voice 4: rezoning for an area then the impact is going to come from the number of houses that you

[4:10:36] Voice 4: put around that area more than someone going swimming okay

[4:10:41] Trustee Patrick: uh well in silver yeah thank you

[4:10:46] Voice 29: Again, to take a direct read of this policy, we're not commenting on the impact of cultural and spiritual uses on freshwater or recreational uses on freshwater.

[4:11:02] Voice 29: It's to strive to ensure that the water quality in lakes from land use planning and other activities are not to the detriment of these uses.

[4:11:11] Voice 29: And so one of the most sensitive metrics or vulnerabilities to water quality in lakes is recreational uses.

[4:11:25] Voice 29: It's measured weekly by the province or the regional district or the health regions, and it's of concern.

[4:11:33] Voice 29: and usually it precedes drinking water,

[4:11:38] Voice 29: boil water advisories, for example,

[4:11:40] Voice 29: on drinking water lakes,

[4:11:41] Voice 29: if there is an outbreak of a particular toxin

[4:11:44] Voice 29: for recreational use,

[4:11:46] Voice 29: they'll close the lake for the recreational use

[4:11:49] Voice 29: even before they may have a boil water advisory,

[4:11:51] Voice 29: especially if it's a lake that has

[4:11:52] Voice 29: a robust drinking water plant that can handle those toxins.

[4:11:57] Voice 29: So I just kind of wanted to make that distinction.

[4:12:00] Voice 29: Thank you, Chair.

[4:12:00] Voice 29: All

[4:12:01] Trustee Patrick: right. Thank you. Without any proposal for a change, let's move back up to, is it 351 that you wanted to talk about, Trustee Elliott?

[4:12:11] Voice 19: Yes, thanks. It's 351, freshwater sustainability.

[4:12:18] Voice 19: And I know we've already debated this and we've got, but because we have William here today,

[4:12:27] Voice 19: I just want to ensure that the word watershed, ensure that neither the density or intensity of land is increased in watersheds.

[4:12:35] Voice 19: Should we not also add in groundwater recharge areas?

[4:12:44] Voice 19: And I was looking at the definitions that you provided, which I think really are helpful.

[4:12:50] Voice 19: The groundwater region seems to be the one that's the practical planning unit to guide the decisions we make regarding land use, water allocation, ecosystem protection.

[4:13:00] Voice 19: So I just want to make sure that watersheds is the most all-encompassing term for this policy.

[4:13:14] Voice 19: William,

[4:13:14] Trustee Patrick: go ahead, William.

[4:13:16] Voice 29: Yeah, thank you. I might maybe ask on policy advisor. No one's to back me up here because we went back and forth with staff on this. This came from replacing the word areas from from the previous policy statement and it was groundwater regions to begin with, because groundwater regions can be used as a water management unit and it is and you're correct with that.

[4:13:40] Voice 29: groundwater recharge areas not like that's a different concept right so uh we're debating

[4:13:45] Voice 29: between areas or groundwater regions or watersheds and so uh groundwater regions are there's the

[4:13:52] Voice 29: watersheds are more numerous for sure um and on the island just due to the uh the terrain the

[4:14:00] Voice 29: nature of the terrain of the islands um and so but it say a major watershed like uh like the

[4:14:08] Voice 29: fulford creek watershed is is contained within one groundwater region as it's defined so one

[4:14:15] Voice 29: groundwater region can have multiple watersheds within it so it's say say if there was a like a

[4:14:21] Voice 29: process like the freshwater footprint and say if groundwater regions are assigned a vulnerability

[4:14:26] Voice 29: then the five or six watersheds within that groundwater region would would likely share

[4:14:32] Voice 29: that same vulnerability so and and watersheds i think is a more approachable term and and

[4:14:37] Voice 29: And for future proofing, this can align really well with the watershed security strategy from the province to have watersheds as the considering area.

[4:14:51] Voice 29: And so it really defines it quite well considering the existing island stress policy statement, which says areas, which is just open to whatever interpretation you have.

[4:15:06] Voice 29: it could be on a parcel level and this is we're trying not to go there so um i i i think we like

[4:15:12] Voice 29: uh we provided a definition in the glossary that that defines uh watersheds and um um and and so

[4:15:20] Voice 29: i i think that supports it uh enough to to to be robust as a as as a substitute for area all right

[4:15:30] Trustee Patrick: thank you that's helpful yeah that's excellent thanks all right any other in the freshwater

[4:15:37] Trustee Patrick: directive policies freshwater advisory policies i think we already were talking about that one

[4:15:52] Trustee Patrick: that was the recreational uses so i think we went backwards so we did that one then are there any

[4:15:56] Trustee Patrick: more recreation uh advisory policies uh william i

[4:16:02] Voice 29: yeah i just wanted to point out that we do use

[4:16:05] Voice 29: groundwater regions in the freshwater storage um um 3.5.7 and and and i think that that that

[4:16:15] Voice 29: relates because we're directly relating it to the quality and quantity of groundwater

[4:16:20] Voice 29: so in in those because this is trying to um uh address the existing users so in in the areas

[4:16:28] Voice 29: of groundwater regions where there is water quality and quantity issues um that to encourage

[4:16:34] Voice 29: freshwater storage. And this has been in policy in several of the Southern Gulf Islands for quite

[4:16:40] Voice 29: some time. So I just wanted to point out that we didn't make a mistake there. We chose groundwater

[4:16:45] Voice 29: regions in this advisory policy because specifically relating to the quality and

[4:16:52] Voice 29: quantity of groundwater. Thanks.

[4:16:54] Trustee Patrick: All right. Thank you very much. So then moving on to forest lands,

[4:16:59] Trustee Patrick: directive policies for forest lands,

[4:17:11] Trustee Patrick: directive policies for agricultural lands.

[4:17:13] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Hunter, were you forest lands?

[4:17:16] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, Trustee Hunter.

[4:17:20] Trustee Patrick: You need to take yourself off mute.

[4:17:22] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, you're on mute.

[4:17:29] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Hunter, you're muted.

[4:17:34] Voice 2: My apologies.

[4:17:35] Trustee Patrick: There you go, go ahead.

[4:17:37] Voice 2: Sorry, yeah, just the 3.5.6,

[4:17:41] Voice 2: maintain large land holdings and parcel sizes

[4:17:45] Voice 2: to support sustainable forest management.

[4:17:47] Voice 2: um so i think everybody knows i have a private managed forest on the island so is this in some

[4:17:56] Voice 2: way meant to um get around that contract with the bc government or is that something else

[4:18:04] Voice 2: i

[4:18:07] Trustee Patrick: have to look to

[4:18:08] Trustee Patrick: staff there we go staff uh humans yeah

[4:18:16] Voice 1: i mean if anything i think this

[4:18:18] Voice 1: This policy is meant to support the encouragement of private managed forest land where it's done sustainably, particularly by the maintenance of these large tracts of lands.

[4:18:31] Voice 1: It's basically advising local trust committees not to rezone their rural areas in such a way that the land can be fragmented through subdivision and instead be maintained at a sufficient size where forestry can be practiced.

[4:18:47] Voice 1: test.

[4:18:48] Trustee Patrick: Okay, thank you. Thank you. Trustee Morrison?

[4:18:52] Voice 32: Yeah, I just had a question why we didn't end up

[4:18:56] Voice 32: having any kind of direct or federal advisory parcel to the more general goal of reducing

[4:19:02] Voice 32: forest fragmentation. Because in areas, in other areas where there is the smaller parcels, we still

[4:19:10] Voice 32: want to reduce forest fragmentation. So there could be other ways we do that through development

[4:19:15] Voice 32: and permit areas so i'm just wondering why there is no directive or advisory policy on that good

[4:19:26] Trustee Patrick: question but i don't know if there's an answer to there we go uh stop humans sorry

[4:19:31] Voice 1: i'm just yelling

[4:19:36] Voice 1: at the mute button um i think that is uh addressed to some extent in directive policy 3.3.3 around

[4:19:43] Voice 1: forest ecosystems which is identify forest ecosystems and prioritize their preservation

[4:19:47] Voice 1: preservation, protection, and restoration of, of unfragmented forest.

[4:19:52] Voice 1: So there is a policy encouragement to ensure that the remaining island

[4:19:58] Voice 1: forests are not further fragmented.

[4:20:01] Trustee Patrick: All right. Thank you very much.

[4:20:05] Trustee Patrick: Which

[4:20:06] Voice 32: policy is that?

[4:20:07] Voice 1: Oh, sorry. That's a policy 3.3.3.

[4:20:10] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[4:20:13] Trustee Patrick: Okay. The boardroom has their hand raised.

[4:20:15] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:20:16] Voice 18: i can also add that we have two specific policies in addition uh 3.5.9 which is on screen right now

[4:20:21] Voice 18: that addresses um citing a road that might fragment forest lands and also we have one around

[4:20:28] Voice 18: um agricultural our um 3.5.13 which is around roads and utility quarters from oh sorry that's

[4:20:36] Voice 18: our cultural ads so we also did 3.5.9 in addition that it's specifically around roads and fragmenting

[4:20:42] Voice 18: and then the one that Hunter Heumanns mentioned earlier.

[4:20:47] Trustee Patrick: All right. Thank you very much.

[4:20:48] Trustee Patrick: Are there any other directive policy on forest lands?

[4:20:53] Trustee Patrick: Questions?

[4:20:56] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Maberly.

[4:20:59] Voice 24: Yeah, further to Ken's point,

[4:21:01] Voice 24: I just wanted to make sure there was clarification around

[4:21:03] Voice 24: on that there would be nothing in this directive policy

[4:21:07] Voice 24: that would interfere with the management activities

[4:21:09] Voice 24: and management plans of the PMFL lands.

[4:21:16] Trustee Patrick: I guess, Staff Heumanns?

[4:21:18] Trustee Patrick: um

[4:21:20] Voice 1: maybe i will i will look to any of my colleagues for any guidance they can provide

[4:21:26] Voice 1: but it's my understanding that similar to land that is in the agricultural land reserve the

[4:21:32] Voice 1: the provincial legislation around the private managed forest lands supersedes our authorities

[4:21:39] Voice 1: so if you as a landowner enter into an agreement um to have private managed forest lands and are

[4:21:46] Voice 1: managing it in accordance with whatever the terms of the agreement that you have

[4:21:49] Voice 1: uh with the province for that i i don't think there's much that that we are able to do now

[4:21:56] Voice 1: i i stand to be corrected if anybody knows otherwise see

[4:22:00] Trustee Patrick: the boardroom has their hand raised

[4:22:02] Voice 11: yeah so i'm just going to confirm that what jason told you is correct all

[4:22:08] Trustee Patrick: right thank you

[4:22:12] Trustee Patrick: any other questions on the forest lands so then moving on to directive policies for agricultural

[4:22:19] Trustee Patrick: lands? I

[4:22:26] Trustee Gedye: have a question. Please

[4:22:28] Trustee Patrick: go ahead, Trustee Getty.

[4:22:29] Trustee Gedye: Okay, so this reads that

[4:22:34] Trustee Gedye: regulations for agricultural land within the agricultural land reserve. So does that mean

[4:22:41] Trustee Gedye: that it's only ALR land? Or is there other agricultural? Are we trying to encourage the

[4:22:48] Trustee Gedye: same principles who

[4:22:55] Trustee Patrick: can answer that question no one wants to answer that question uh trustee

[4:23:10] Trustee Patrick: peterson yeah

[4:23:12] Voice 7: thank you my reading of this is it says to identify and protect agricultural lands

[4:23:17] Voice 7: for current and future is consistent with and to me that that broadens the scope beyond just

[4:23:25] Voice 7: just existing agricultural lands.

[4:23:32] Trustee Gedye: Can I do follow-up?

[4:23:34] Trustee Gedye: Sure. Yes, please.

[4:23:36] Trustee Gedye: Identify and protect agricultural lands for current and future use,

[4:23:39] Trustee Gedye: consistent with the ALR, the Agricultural Land Commission Act,

[4:23:43] Trustee Gedye: and its regulations for agricultural land within the Agricultural Land Reserve,

[4:23:48] Trustee Gedye: while considering downstream impacts, wildlife habitat, and adjacent properties.

[4:23:53] Trustee Gedye: So we've got other lands that may not be in the ALR,

[4:23:57] Trustee Gedye: but are used for agriculture or potential have that use.

[4:24:03] Trustee Gedye: Do we provide, identify and protect agricultural lands for current and future use,

[4:24:11] Trustee Gedye: whether or not they're in the ALR?

[4:24:13] Trustee Gedye: This seems to be specific to land within the ALR.

[4:24:17] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I'm looking to staff to jump in.

[4:24:20] Trustee Patrick: Staff Yeomans.

[4:24:24] Voice 1: My reading of this, and I stand to be corrected,

[4:24:27] Voice 1: protected is that this policy is particularly directing local trust committees and island

[4:24:31] Voice 1: municipalities to protect their land that is in the agricultural land reserve through in their

[4:24:36] Voice 1: zoning maps that however does not preclude you through your land use planning to identify other

[4:24:43] Voice 1: land that may be used for agriculture or may in the future be land used for land that may in the

[4:24:48] Voice 1: future be used for agriculture um and protecting it in some way either through zoning or through

[4:24:55] Voice 1: a land use designation within your official community plan. On Salt Spring Island, for

[4:25:00] Voice 1: example, which just happens to be the island I know best, all rural zoned properties permit

[4:25:06] Voice 1: agriculture. So through a permissive form of zoning, agriculture is protected on rural zone

[4:25:15] Voice 1: land on Salt Spring Island simply through the fact that the local trust committee sees it as

[4:25:19] Voice 1: an appropriate land use that agriculture be permitted to be practiced on rural zone land.

[4:25:26] Trustee Patrick: I see the boardroom has their hand raised boardroom does not have their hand raised

[4:25:36] Trustee Patrick: oh go ahead yeah

[4:25:39] Voice 11: I just wanted to point out I'm not I wasn't there when this was written so it

[4:25:44] Voice 11: would be maybe an interpretation so if the intent is to protect ALI lands you might want to just

[4:25:52] Voice 11: make that clear because when I read it first time it seems to suggest to me that any agricultural

[4:25:59] Voice 11: cultural land when it's inside or outside should be protected but following the rules of their

[4:26:05] Voice 11: cultural land commission so as if it was inside the ALR that's the way I read it and I wasn't

[4:26:11] Voice 11: involved in writing it so I just wanted to point that out there could be some ambiguity with the

[4:26:16] Voice 11: way it's currently written so the intent was just to protect ALR lands you might want to consider

[4:26:22] Voice 11: an amendment to make that clear. Thanks.

[4:26:26] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Giddey?

[4:26:28] Trustee Gedye: I want to change the, if we took out, change the intent or create any problems,

[4:26:36] Trustee Gedye: if we took out the little phrase in the middle, within the agricultural land reserve,

[4:26:44] Trustee Gedye: just remove that, so that it then becomes identify and protect agricultural lands for

[4:26:49] Trustee Gedye: current and future use consistent with the AIL, the Agricultural Land Commission Act and its

[4:26:54] Trustee Gedye: regulations for agricultural use while considering downstream impacts, wildlife habitat and adjacent

[4:27:02] Trustee Gedye: properties?

[4:27:05] Trustee Patrick: That would broaden it to be all agriculture. Just let Steph think about that

[4:27:12] Trustee Patrick: for a moment. Trustee Boland? And then we'll come to Steph. Go ahead, Trustee Boland.

[4:27:18] Voice 8: I'm channeling the question asked earlier by Trustee Elliott.

[4:27:23] Voice 8: I don't believe that we have an option not to protect the ALR.

[4:27:28] Voice 8: It's not in our control.

[4:27:30] Voice 8: If the ALR Commission gets to decide, am I missing something here?

[4:27:38] Voice 8: How can we not protect the ALR, is my question.

[4:27:46] Voice 8: Do we need to state this?

[4:27:48] Voice 8: Thanks.

[4:27:50] Trustee Patrick: All right, Steph Yeomans. You can call in a friend too to answer.

[4:28:00] Voice 1: Yeah, right. By virtue of land being included in the Agricultural Land Reserve, it is protected under provincial legislation.

[4:28:08] Voice 1: I think as a local government planning body, you would want to ensure that there is consistency between your zoning and the permissions of the Agricultural Land Reserve to ensure that there's no ambiguity or that you're not inadvertently creating a conflict between what is or is not permitted in your zoning and what's otherwise permitted in the Agricultural Land Reserve.

[4:28:30] Voice 1: Ultimately, the Agricultural Land Commission has to sign off on your zoning and agricultural land anyways, and they'll flag any inconsistency. But I think it simply avoids creating that conflict if you ensure that your zoning is consistent with that of the Agricultural Land Reserve permissions.

[4:28:49] Voice 1: To the question of whether you want to protect land outside of the agricultural land reserve with the same sort of permissive approach that is allowed within the agricultural land reserve, that probably requires some consideration on your part.

[4:29:08] Voice 1: Again, because there are very few restrictions on how agriculture is practiced in the Agricultural Land Reserve, you would want to consider whether that's a generosity that you want to extend outside of the Agricultural Land Reserve, which would be things like no limitation.

[4:29:26] Voice 1: Sorry, I shouldn't pretend that I know the Agricultural Land Commission's regulations inside and out, but limited limitations on how much lot coverage, for example, if you wanted to cover an entire property in greenhouses, which is definitely a permitted use within the Agricultural Land Reserve, as is seen throughout the Lower Mainland, that you can cover vast swaths with impervious surface for the purpose of agriculture.

[4:29:51] Voice 1: culture and i think you as a local planning body would have to ask yourselves what what are the

[4:29:57] Voice 1: outcomes that you wouldn't want to see that might

[4:30:00] Voice 1: otherwise be permitted in the agricultural land reserve and whether you should guard against that

[4:30:04] Voice 1: in your zoning somehow.

[4:30:08] Voice 8: A follow-up Trustee Boland? Yeah it's a bit confusing. I know that

[4:30:13] Voice 8: we are facing here on Saterna the fact that we have a piece of ALR that is also zoned for

[4:30:18] Voice 8: multi-family residential and maybe that's the kind of thing that you're talking about and I can't

[4:30:24] Voice 8: imagine how that came about except that there are two different agencies doing land use planning

[4:30:30] Voice 8: planning arguably on the same piece of land um yeah and i'm not really sure i don't know whether

[4:30:37] Voice 8: i want to change or not because i don't completely understand it but thanks for um clarifying thank

[4:30:44] Voice 8: you trusty fast thank

[4:30:47] Trustee Fast: you chair um i listened carefully to well i heard director marler uh say

[4:30:54] Trustee Fast: he wasn't clear when he read it the first time usually those kind of things should jump out to

[4:30:58] Trustee Fast: somebody like director marler so i'm proposing and i was confused too so i um i think we should

[4:31:06] Trustee Fast: clarify it and uh personally i think we should clarify it to be land within the agricultural

[4:31:12] Trustee Fast: land reserve and uh and as it says but just move the little phrase that uh trustee getty has in

[4:31:21] Trustee Fast: blue there to the top of the sentence so that it um and before i get there um i'll make a motion

[4:31:29] Trustee Fast: I also think one of the most important parts is the last part of the sentence, while considering downstream impacts, wildlife habitat and adjacent properties.

[4:31:40] Trustee Fast: This is the sort of planning side of it that we trustees get involved in and municipal trustees included.

[4:31:49] Trustee Fast: So I propose that we adjust 3.5.11 to read, identify and protect agricultural lands within the Agricultural Land Reserve or any lands within the Agricultural Land Reserve for current and future use consistent with the Agricultural Land Commission Act and its regulations while considering downstream impacts.

[4:32:22] Trustee Fast: wildlife habitat and adjacent properties over

[4:32:28] Trustee Patrick: well we let alexandra catch up with that wording

[4:32:30] Trustee Patrick: i see the hand raised in the boardroom it

[4:32:39] Voice 18: was simply to note that we were working on a motion

[4:32:42] Voice 18: similar to what has just been proposed

[4:32:43] Trustee Patrick: okay then it's up on the screen so look i think that's

[4:32:59] Trustee Patrick: generally what was just written yes is there a second to this motion seconded by trustee getty

[4:33:07] Trustee Patrick: any discussion trustee peterson yeah

[4:33:16] Voice 6: um i guess i my concern with this wording is

[4:33:23] Voice 6: then it appears that our policy is only uh protecting lands that are within the alr

[4:33:31] Voice 6: agricultural lands and we're

[4:33:34] Voice 25: not

[4:33:35] Voice 6: then speaking to agricultural lands that are not within it and

[4:33:38] Voice 6: And then that begs the question to me of whether we need an additional policy.

[4:33:42] Voice 6: My initial reading of the draft that we had in front of us is that it was more broad, and I was happy with it how it is.

[4:33:52] Voice 6: I'm not so happy shrinking the definition unless we are going to add further policy that's more broad around preserving agricultural land that may not be within the ALR.

[4:34:07] Voice 6: Thank you.

[4:34:08] Voice 6: I

[4:34:09] Trustee Patrick: think my concern, what I heard from Director Marler, was that the way it was written before was the agricultural land would be given the same rules that were in the agricultural land reserve.

[4:34:23] Trustee Patrick: So it was a broader statement.

[4:34:25] Trustee Patrick: A second policy might be needed for general agricultural.

[4:34:28] Trustee Patrick: But, Trustee Elliott, discussion on the motion.

[4:34:33] Voice 19: Just a grammar piece.

[4:34:36] Voice 19: Should there be a comma after its regulations?

[4:34:40] Voice 19: while considering downstream impacts that would be fine trustee

[4:34:48] Trustee Patrick: giddy um

[4:34:50] Trustee Gedye: i agree with trustee peterson

[4:34:52] Trustee Gedye: um but i think that the comments in terms of um i think it was director yeomans that um was talking

[4:35:01] Trustee Gedye: about you know covering a whole space with uh greenhouses and impermeable service uh surfaces

[4:35:06] Trustee Gedye: and um i don't know enough about the what the what's allowed in the alr in terms of whether

[4:35:12] Trustee Gedye: whether or not we want to actually follow those principles.

[4:35:16] Trustee Gedye: So it might very well be another policy,

[4:35:20] Trustee Gedye: but I don't know what it is at this point,

[4:35:21] Trustee Gedye: and I'm not sure that I want to,

[4:35:23] Trustee Gedye: I'm not confident now that I want to expand ALR regulations

[4:35:28] Trustee Gedye: into any and all other potential,

[4:35:31] Trustee Gedye: I think we need to protect agricultural land

[4:35:33] Trustee Gedye: in terms of future food,

[4:35:36] Trustee Gedye: but I'm not sure if the ALR is going to be the magic bullet

[4:35:41] Trustee Gedye: or the pill or whatever.

[4:35:42] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. Trustee Graham.

[4:35:45] Voice 27: Yes. Coming from an island which has far too much agricultural land, to be quite honest, protected by the province,

[4:35:55] Voice 27: you can cover 65% of your land with greenhouses. They're quite happy to have that happen.

[4:36:02] Voice 27: And don't forget, a forest, once it's clear-cut, becomes an agricultural land.

[4:36:06] Voice 27: So you've got to be careful pushing agricultural land in an area that is, we're supposed to be protecting the natural environment.

[4:36:16] Voice 27: And unfortunately, large fields are not part of the natural environment.

[4:36:21] Voice 27: So restricting it to those lands that manage to get into the ALR, that's, to me, that's okay.

[4:36:28] Voice 27: But to encourage an expansion of that, it doesn't work for me.

[4:36:35] Trustee Patrick: Well, thank you. Any further comments?

[4:36:40] Trustee Patrick: uh trustee evans yeah

[4:36:42] Voice 9: i'm just uh i'm just like following along with this um i think

[4:36:50] Voice 9: stipulating that the that the plans within the alr have to be consistent with the

[4:36:58] Voice 9: alc act that is a lot more it allows so much more than um than perhaps we do within our bylaws so

[4:37:13] Voice 9: So, for example, in South Pender, there are additional restrictions.

[4:37:17] Voice 9: The houses can't be as large as are permitted within the ALC.

[4:37:22] Voice 9: You know, lot coverage may not be as broad as within the ALC.

[4:37:31] Voice 9: But if we have to be consistent with the ALC, then 65% lot coverage on 40 acres is a large amount.

[4:37:38] Voice 9: And then the ALC is quite different to things that we've got further down within the advisory policies, which is where we're looking at getting into more indigenous food sovereignty and getting away from as so much monoculture and getting into a little bit broader ways of working.

[4:38:08] Voice 9: So, I'm really torn on this one.

[4:38:13] Voice 9: That's where I'm at.

[4:38:15] Trustee Patrick: I think a question to staff to clarify would be that by just saying consistent with the ALR, but while considering downstream, that doesn't prohibit a local trust committee from being more restrictive where they're allowed, like maximum.

[4:38:34] Trustee Patrick: So, look at the boardroom.

[4:38:39] Voice 18: No, I don't think it constrains you.

[4:38:41] Voice 18: And I'll just note that as part of the 32 resolutions that council asked us to address, they asked us to go back to the Agricultural Land Commission staff for a comment.

[4:38:51] Voice 18: And the notion of including reference to the Act and its regulations was recommended by their staff for inclusion in this policy.

[4:39:00] Voice 18: So, sorry, I'm proposing two points at once.

[4:39:03] Voice 18: But I just wanted you to be aware of that, that this comes as a suggestion of ALC staff.

[4:39:07] Voice 18: and i think that yes inclusion of the downstream impacts wildlife habitat adjacent properties is

[4:39:13] Voice 18: perfectly appropriate given that where the island's stressed all

[4:39:17] Trustee Patrick: right thank you very much

[4:39:18] Trustee Patrick: any further discussion i'll call the vote then all those in favor

[4:39:39] Voice 12: 12 in favor all

[4:39:42] Trustee Patrick: right lower your hands any opposed that carries okay any other questions

[4:39:56] Trustee Patrick: on agricultural lands directive policies trustee

[4:40:09] Trustee Gedye: Getty I had one other and I put

[4:40:11] Trustee Gedye: in a motion to minimize any adverse impacts of land uses from properties

[4:40:16] Trustee Gedye: adjacent to agricultural lands just moved adjacent so

[4:40:25] Trustee Patrick: you said you sent it

[4:40:27] Trustee Patrick: into Alex Andra yep it's

[4:40:30] Trustee Patrick: on the screen oops I split screening here do you wish

[4:40:35] Trustee Patrick: to make that motion yes

[4:40:37] Trustee Gedye: community of the whole recommend trust council revised draft policy

[4:40:41] Trustee Gedye: statement by amending policy 3.5.12 if i've got the right number to read minimize any adverse

[4:40:48] Trustee Gedye: impacts of land uses from properties adjacent to agricultural lands

[4:40:53] Trustee Patrick: is there a second seconded by

[4:40:58] Trustee Patrick: trustee gabriel is there any discussion not seeing any i'll call a vote all those in favor

[4:41:09] Trustee Patrick: there's

[4:41:18] Voice 12: 14 in favor okay

[4:41:20] Trustee Patrick: lower your hands trustee stamford's hand still raised i'll ask if anyone's

[4:41:31] Trustee Patrick: opposed and that carries thank you any other comments directive policies for agricultural

[4:41:41] Trustee Patrick: lands moving on to advisory policies for agricultural land directive policies for

[4:41:59] Trustee Patrick: soil and fill directive policies for marine shorelands everybody's getting tired that's good

[4:42:19] Trustee Patrick: good

[4:42:20] Voice 23: directive

[4:42:23] Trustee Patrick: policies for admissions and pollution trustee morrison yeah

[4:42:34] Voice 32: so i sent in

[4:42:35] Voice 32: two motions related to this um i think maybe the first one around the title would be helpful just

[4:42:42] Voice 32: to gauge where we're at with this section um so i would like to so i guess the first question i have

[4:42:50] Voice 32: is um the intent of this section is it really to just look at emissions and pollutants or is it

[4:42:59] Voice 32: meant to kind of think about some of the climate change sort of more broad stuff so this comes back

[4:43:06] Voice 32: to the question i asked at the very beginning about do we want to put anything around adaptation

[4:43:10] Voice 32: in here um so i have uh a potential additional policy which would be relevant if the title

[4:43:18] Voice 32: changed. So I don't know which way to do it first. Maybe consider the additional policy and that

[4:43:23] Voice 32: might help us think about whether this needs a more expansive title. Thoughts?

[4:43:31] Trustee Patrick: Why don't you

[4:43:32] Trustee Patrick: put your proposed resolution so that we can see what that is and that might help drive our

[4:43:36] Trustee Patrick: conversation. What do you think? Okay. So this is...

[4:43:42] Voice 32: No, can we have the other one? Because that'll

[4:43:45] Voice 32: will help drive the conversation a little bit more. This is just about the title, but we need

[4:43:51] Voice 32: to understand what I'd want to add here first. So can I have the second one that I had related to

[4:43:55] Voice 32: this? Is it not here? Yeah, there, there. Okay, wait a minute. Yeah. Okay. So the additional

[4:44:14] Voice 32: policy would read adaptation and land use planning would be the title. And it would say regulate land

[4:44:19] Voice 32: regulate land use and development to promote the ability for communities and ecosystems to adapt

[4:44:24] Voice 32: to shifting climate conditions and impacts and that gets away from um uh trustee evans concern

[4:44:31] Voice 32: about the use of adaptive capacity too i'll

[4:44:36] Trustee Patrick: look to staff perhaps first on the intent of this

[4:44:40] Trustee Patrick: section as it was called and and the the fit of this idea is this something i don't know

[4:44:52] Trustee Patrick: the history of why this was called emissions and pollutants.

[4:44:58] Voice 32: And maybe the additional question there, Chair, if I may, is like whether this is redundant. I

[4:45:05] Voice 32: couldn't see it specifically anywhere else. So it'd be nice to know if staff considers it redundant

[4:45:10] Voice 32: too.

[4:45:13] Trustee Patrick: Any comments from staff?

[4:45:18] Voice 18: I can just know, I don't remember, this is a red line change. I

[4:45:22] Voice 18: don't remember where this was added in. I can say for myself, when I heard there were emissions,

[4:45:26] Voice 18: I generally think of error, but we can quickly look into whether it's, you know, seen as a

[4:45:34] Voice 18: duplicative statement.

[4:45:39] Trustee Patrick: Director Cermak?

[4:45:43] Voice 28: Thank you, Chair. The question was whether or not it

[4:45:47] Voice 28: may be seen to be redundant. It's not a parallel to, but it is certainly tangential with Policy

[4:45:52] Voice 28: 345, the Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation Policy. And I'll read it for you, Till, because I

[4:45:59] Voice 28: I don't want you to have to change screens.

[4:46:02] Voice 28: And it says, it's titled Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation.

[4:46:06] Voice 28: It is to identify and encourage adoption of implement plan.

[4:46:11] Voice 28: Ooh, that's weird.

[4:46:12] Voice 28: I copied and pasted.

[4:46:13] Voice 28: It doesn't actually make sense.

[4:46:14] Voice 28: My apologies.

[4:46:15] Voice 28: Let me crack it open another way.

[4:46:19] Voice 28: It is.

[4:46:21] Trustee Patrick: Three, four, five.

[4:46:22] Voice 28: Mm-hmm.

[4:46:24] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[4:46:25] Voice 28: Oh, that's why, yeah.

[4:46:25] Voice 28: So implement planning and land use management strategies and consider nature-based solutions

[4:46:35] Voice 28: So

[4:46:35] Voice 32: that is really good, but then it also makes me question then why we even have emissions in the last thing related to greenhouse gases, because then the greenhouse gas one seems redundant.

[4:46:48] Voice 28: Indeed. I can't answer that. I'm sorry.

[4:46:53] Trustee Patrick: Oh, good quandary here.

[4:46:55] Trustee Patrick: here um sir

[4:47:02] Voice 18: patrick can i just ask for clarification of the point that was just made by trustee morrison

[4:47:08] Voice 18: um and so as it reads right now it's regulate land use and development to reduce detrimental

[4:47:13] Voice 18: emissions and pollutants and then it goes on just for point of emphasis including greenhouse gases

[4:47:18] Voice 18: and then oh to air land and water i see what you mean so are we thinking of removing the two land

[4:47:24] Voice 18: air and water might be removed i'm just checking clarity on what the proposed edit would be

[4:47:30] Voice 32: No, can I, is it okay?

[4:47:32] Voice 32: No, please proceed.

[4:47:34] Voice 32: Okay, so no, my concern is that if we have something with emissions, like this directed policy chunk that we have here, and we specifically talk about emissions and pollutants, which emissions for greenhouse gases is dealt with in that one that, you know, a director Cermak just named, as well as adaptation.

[4:47:56] Voice 32: So either emissions and adaptation is included in that other policy or adaptation has to be added in here because it seems weird to have emissions here called out specifically without adaptation, because when you're talking about climate change, adaptation and mitigation always go hand in hand.

[4:48:13] Voice 32: And so it's just a it's a concern to me that they're not in the same place or that, you know, we have one without the other in some area.

[4:48:28] Voice 23: area

[4:48:29] Trustee Patrick: well that stuff keep looking between those two to see if this uh reference to including

[4:48:34] Trustee Patrick: greenhouse gas emissions is redundant as a result of that earlier one uh trustee may really

[4:48:39] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[4:48:42] Voice 24: thank you i was desperately trying to get to my hand thing there when we were going past

[4:48:46] Voice 24: the marine shoreline so if we could go back to that after we finish this i'd be fine yes well

[4:48:51] Trustee Patrick: well do thank you any advice thoughts from staff um

[4:48:58] Voice 18: it will take me a minute to get thoughts for

[4:49:03] Voice 18: you

[4:49:04] Voice 32: i don't know about no worries and so we can come back to this later if we want to go to

[4:49:10] Voice 32: something else

[4:49:10] Trustee Patrick: so there's a couple other trustee boland

[4:49:14] Voice 8: um i liked the idea earlier that was

[4:49:19] Voice 8: mentioned about adaptive resilience and when i looked it up you know it really spoke to me this

[4:49:26] Voice 8: this particular, I know we're still debating whether we need two or one or what they should

[4:49:32] Voice 8: contain, but the one that's on the screen right now, it doesn't really speak to me about what it

[4:49:37] Voice 8: means. It's too, it's a bit vague. I can imagine that people can come up with examples, but when

[4:49:49] Voice 8: you read it, you think, how do I actually do that? Whereas the adaptive resilience actually spoke to

[4:49:55] Voice 8: to me about what you would potentially need to do so um and and also be adaptive resilience can be

[4:50:04] Voice 8: positive because it's about being proactive and taking opportunities as much as safeguarding

[4:50:12] Voice 8: yourself from detrimental um effects so anyway that's just a comment i liked adaptive resilience

[4:50:19] Voice 8: resilience. Thanks. Trustee Evans?

[4:50:23] Voice 9: I was just going to ask staff if they could remind me what

[4:50:26] Voice 9: the other policy number was that they were referring to so I can take a look at that as

[4:50:31] Voice 9: well. Thank you.

[4:50:33] Trustee Patrick: Was that 345? Correct.

[4:50:36] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, 3.4.5. All right. Did we want to let staff think

[4:50:48] Trustee Patrick: about that for a few moments and then we'll, Trustee Maverly, you could go back to what you

[4:50:54] Trustee Patrick: you were wanting to raise, will we caucus over that?

[4:51:02] Voice 24: Yeah, okay, I just wanted to sort of bring your attention

[4:51:06] Voice 24: to when you talk about the marine shorelines,

[4:51:10] Voice 24: the first three points sort of talk about

[4:51:13] Voice 24: that connection with the shore,

[4:51:15] Voice 24: but when you get into Vessel Morridge marinas,

[4:51:18] Voice 24: anything that's below the high watermark,

[4:51:22] Voice 24: there's not really any identification

[4:51:24] Voice 24: of the Transport Canada regulations and also the rights of First Nations

[4:51:33] Voice 24: when it comes to their title off the high-water mark.

[4:51:41] Voice 24: And I'll sort of explain that.

[4:51:42] Voice 24: A lot of nations now are moving in the direction where they're securing title

[4:51:48] Voice 24: to all those lands below the high-water mark.

[4:51:51] Voice 24: Mark. So I just want to sort of inform the group that this is something we may want to

[4:51:59] Voice 24: think about in this section as we move forward, because I think we're going to get feedback

[4:52:06] Voice 24: particularly on this section in regards to, and if you look at the Haida Gwaii Agreement

[4:52:11] Voice 24: and the way that West Endish is going with the Douglas Treaty and even the Cowichan Nation

[4:52:19] Voice 24: in regards to their rights below the high water mark.

[4:52:23] Voice 24: So I wouldn't like to see anything in there

[4:52:25] Voice 24: that would impinge upon those rights.

[4:52:29] Trustee Patrick: All right, so are you not looking for any change right now,

[4:52:32] Trustee Patrick: but just bringing it to our attention

[4:52:33] Trustee Patrick: that these comments may be raised

[4:52:35] Trustee Patrick: when it's out for referral?

[4:52:38] Voice 24: Yeah, that's right.

[4:52:39] Voice 24: I mean, I think it's a good time to bring it up.

[4:52:41] Voice 24: This is the draft.

[4:52:42] Voice 24: So if people are looking at these sections,

[4:52:46] Voice 24: you know whether staff when we go through our referral process are talking to the nations

[4:52:56] Voice 24: just clarifying how the nations feel in regards to this section because it's it's it's clearly a

[4:53:03] Voice 24: really sort of quickly evolving environment and i'm not sure what staffs or yeah staff's

[4:53:10] Voice 24: comments would be on that thank

[4:53:14] Trustee Patrick: you very much does anyone want to comment on that right now

[4:53:17] Trustee Patrick: Now we've got them caucusing on the other item.

[4:53:21] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Getty?

[4:53:23] Trustee Gedye: I understood that our jurisdiction was limited to shallow waters

[4:53:28] Trustee Gedye: and maybe the low tide mark, but that the outside of that,

[4:53:34] Trustee Gedye: that we were asking whether or not one of the questions for the province

[4:53:39] Trustee Gedye: was whether or not we could expand our jurisdiction.

[4:53:42] Trustee Gedye: and then we'd get into uh some of these other um discussions i think with first nations but i don't

[4:53:49] Trustee Gedye: know that our jurisdiction now has deep water um

[4:53:55] Trustee Patrick: i'm just gonna look to i don't know if director

[4:53:57] Trustee Patrick: sermac or or uh staff yeomans uh i think we have zoning over water and i don't know i think we've

[4:54:08] Trustee Patrick: got them all working on that other one ah there we go director sermac uh

[4:54:14] Voice 28: thank you chair pardon me

[4:54:16] Voice 28: Yeah, I don't know why I seem to have a delay on my computer today, but that's correct.

[4:54:20] Voice 28: We do have, in the Islands Trust Act, the authority to zone uses over the shorelines up to 300 meters away from the shoreline.

[4:54:30] Voice 28: And we also have sort of authority, according to the Islands Trust Regulation, which gives us that sort of marine area all the way up to the high watermark on, or pardon me, yeah, the high watermark along Vancouver Island.

[4:54:44] Voice 28: but it's not zoning it's to work in coordination and cooperation with uses over there so provide

[4:54:52] Voice 28: clarity thank

[4:54:53] Trustee Patrick: you um trustee may really did you have a follow-up

[4:54:59] Voice 24: yeah i know i understand the

[4:55:02] Voice 24: the comments um but i i think while we may have the zoning we may not have the authority

[4:55:10] Voice 24: and um you know you're seeing this with the um especially you know if you get into vessel

[4:55:16] Voice 24: moorage or marine structures or even private docks um uh there are licenses being issued now without

[4:55:24] Voice 24: without uh by nations without authority from the bc government so it's it's it's just that

[4:55:32] Voice 24: that area but certainly in vessel moorage uh the transport canada regulations um i guess you go

[4:55:38] Voice 24: back to that same argument around alr and pmfl is you know which regulations sort of trump our

[4:55:44] Voice 24: regulations but uh yeah it's just something i wanted to highlight thank you yep well thank

[4:55:49] Trustee Fast: you very much trustee fast thanks very practical question can we take a short break we can come

[4:55:57] Trustee Fast: back for the big vote uh without any um distractions

[4:56:00] Trustee Patrick: uh so do people want to take a

[4:56:04] Trustee Patrick: break i guess staff are you still looking at the emissions and the climate uh two policies there

[4:56:12] Trustee Patrick: to come back with some thoughts um yes

[4:56:16] Voice 18: five minutes would be beneficial for us just to be

[4:56:19] Voice 18: aligned all right well

[4:56:21] Trustee Patrick: why don't we take a five minute break till three o'clock

[4:56:23] Trustee Patrick: a good good call there trustee fast and uh so we're on break now till three o'clock so

[4:56:29] Trustee Patrick: thank you everyone see if jason can pop down

[4:58:22] Voice 25: boardroom i

[4:58:27] Voice 32: just sent you uh email to a simpler solution to this potentially just

[4:58:32] Voice 32: if you can check your email.

[5:01:09] Voice 25: right everybody we're on the homestretch here how's

[5:01:35] Trustee Patrick: the uh boardroom doing on the

[5:01:39] Trustee Patrick: questions that we share we're still

[5:01:42] Trustee Patrick: discussing

[5:01:43] Voice 15: at the moment all

[5:01:45] Trustee Patrick: right

[5:01:49] Trustee Patrick: so they're still uh looking at uh solving and chair

[5:01:54] Voice 32: i had a alternative recommendation that

[5:01:56] Voice 32: i sent forward to them too okay

[5:01:58] Trustee Patrick: so just to bring to the attention of the boardroom that

[5:02:01] Trustee Patrick: trustee Morrison sent another suggestion I

[5:02:07] Voice 15: think if

[5:02:13] Trustee Patrick: you is this related to the

[5:02:16] Trustee Patrick: conversation staff we're having now yeah so if you guys can just take a look at

[5:02:20] Trustee Patrick: it and as part of what you're thinking well

[5:02:24] Voice 15: do you think you so the trustees

[5:02:28] Trustee Patrick: just in the well we're still looking like think word oh we're into

[5:02:34] Trustee Patrick: to implementation. So this is the bottom before we head into implementation. Besides Trustee

[5:02:52] Trustee Patrick: Getty's one comment there in implementation, will there be other trustees going to talk

[5:02:59] Trustee Patrick: about implementation? Trustee Yates will? Okay. I'm just doing a see what issues are

[5:03:07] Trustee Patrick: coming, questions are coming in implementation. We'll patiently wait for next steps here.

[5:04:53] Voice 23: There we go.

[5:04:54] Voice 18: Okay, thank you for

[5:04:56] Voice 18: your patience.

[5:04:58] Voice 18: So we've looked at 3.5.27,

[5:05:01] Voice 18: which as drafted in your agenda package,

[5:05:04] Voice 18: addresses both emissions and pollutants.

[5:05:06] Voice 18: Staff have looked at it.

[5:05:07] Voice 18: We agree it's redundant for emissions to be dealt with

[5:05:10] Voice 18: within two policies.

[5:05:11] Voice 18: And the conversation we've just had

[5:05:13] Voice 18: is about the merit of keeping a policy

[5:05:15] Voice 18: relating to pollutants.

[5:05:17] Voice 18: The conclusion is that there is merit

[5:05:18] Voice 18: in keeping a policy simply focused on pollutants.

[5:05:22] Voice 18: So I've drafted up a potential amendment for you to consider, for someone to consider moving,

[5:05:27] Voice 18: that would amend this to narrow it down to just pollutants for conversation, if that's of interest.

[5:05:34] Voice 18: Chair Morrison had a different proposal, however.

[5:05:39] Voice 32: So I would love to see if that's possible, Chair.

[5:05:42] Voice 32: The motion drafted by Director Frater, I do think if we're going to do a pollutants-related thing,

[5:05:50] Voice 32: it should be in the waste section.

[5:05:51] Voice 32: We should eliminate this section and we should put it in the waste section because it's waste related.

[5:05:59] Voice 32: I think I

[5:06:00] Voice 18: didn't stretch to that level of thinking at this time, but I think we would agree with that.

[5:06:10] Trustee Patrick: All right. So this is the recommended policy to amend 3527, regulate land use and development to reduce detrimental pollutants to air, land and water.

[5:06:24] Trustee Patrick: water.

[5:06:26] Voice 32: So if that's okay, I would like to go ahead and move this motion. And then I have a

[5:06:30] Voice 32: second motion, which moves this piece up to the other section.

[5:06:35] Trustee Patrick: Okay. So let's make this change

[5:06:37] Trustee Patrick: then. Go ahead, Trustee Morrison.

[5:06:40] Voice 32: Okay. So I do all that stuff to state.

[5:06:43] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, you're going to

[5:06:43] Trustee Patrick: have to read it. Okay.

[5:06:44] Voice 32: The Committee of the Whole recommend to the Trust Council revise the draft

[5:06:48] Voice 32: policy statement by amending policy 3.5.2.7 to read pollutants to air, land, and water,

[5:06:54] Voice 32: water, regulate land use and development to reduce detrimental pollutants to air, land and water.

[5:07:00] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second to this motion? Seconded by Trustee Yates. Any discussion?

[5:07:06] Trustee Patrick: I

[5:07:06] Voice 32: just think it's going to clarify, just like eliminate redundancy.

[5:07:10] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much. Any further comments, discussion? I will call the vote then. All

[5:07:16] Trustee Patrick: those in favor?

[5:07:23] Voice 12: There is 13 in favor.

[5:07:25] Trustee Patrick: Lower your hands. Any opposed? And that carries.

[5:07:38] Voice 32: All right. Could I have the other motion, then?

[5:07:43] Voice 14: Other one being?

[5:07:47] Voice 32: The moving one.

[5:07:54] Voice 15: The section revising the title.

[5:08:00] Voice 32: There it is right there, the last one.

[5:08:02] Voice 32: Yeah.

[5:08:06] Voice 32: So I think I'll just go ahead and move this.

[5:08:08] Voice 32: But the Committee of the Whole recommend that Trust Council revise the new policy statement

[5:08:12] Voice 32: by moving policy 3.5.27 to the directive policies waste section and remove the directive policies

[5:08:19] Voice 32: emission and pollutant section. Oops, so you can delete that last be removed.

[5:08:25] Trustee Patrick: Before we second,

[5:08:26] Trustee Patrick: I just wanted to ask a question in regard to detrimental pollution also could come from

[5:08:32] Trustee Patrick: clearing a construction site or could be sediment washed down the slope.

[5:08:39] Trustee Patrick: would putting it in a waste section narrow the causes of pollution good question

[5:08:52] Trustee Patrick: oops sorry I see trustee Yates thank

[5:08:57] Voice 33: you chair a patch it

[5:08:57] Voice 33: yes one of the things that's happened

[5:09:00] Voice 33: on Gabrielle over the past few decades is the kind of dust suppressant put on the roads and

[5:09:08] Voice 33: And it is considered a pollutant, but it's not really considered like a waste.

[5:09:19] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Fast?

[5:09:22] Trustee Fast: You're muted.

[5:09:25] Trustee Fast: Similarly, on Bowen, we've had emissions, very fragrant emissions from a coffee roaster.

[5:09:34] Trustee Fast: And we've had plastic start to accumulate on our beaches, not exactly waste, but definitely

[5:09:45] Trustee Fast: emissions and pollutants. I think this area is changing fast and maybe experts like Trustee

[5:09:57] Trustee Fast: Dean Morrison might definitely see it as waste, but for the people who are trustees, future

[5:10:04] Trustee Fast: trustees, staff that are going to be looking at this, including members of the community

[5:10:09] Trustee Fast: who might be alert to these or see them first, for example, in, well, anyway, more examples

[5:10:19] Trustee Fast: than you can think of.

[5:10:20] Trustee Fast: I think there are, I think it deserves its own section to keep this idea front and center.

[5:10:27] Trustee Fast: Otherwise, it's going to get grouped in with wastewater treatment plants and sector beds only might sort of disappear.

[5:10:34] Trustee Fast: And I support having its own section.

[5:10:38] Trustee Fast: I'm speaking against the motion.

[5:10:40] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[5:10:40] Trustee Fast: I

[5:10:40] Trustee Patrick: see a suggestion from Trustee Morrison that consider either change that other sections call it waste and pollutants.

[5:10:48] Trustee Patrick: But Trustee Peterson?

[5:10:49] Trustee Patrick: Oh you're muted.

[5:10:55] Voice 6: Sorry. Sorry similar suggestion I was in in support of moving this but I'm also

[5:11:01] Voice 6: in support of perhaps renaming the waste section and we could in fact rename it to

[5:11:08] Voice 6: to waste emissions and pollutants cover it all. So I would support the passage of this motion

[5:11:16] Voice 6: and then a further motion to rename the waste section.

[5:11:19] Trustee Patrick: All right Trustee Morrison. No that

[5:11:23] Voice 32: That sounds good to me. And I do hear the idea that pollutants are somewhat different than waste.

[5:11:29] Voice 32: But when you think about waste, it's actually also can be, there's lots of things that I think

[5:11:37] Voice 32: if we put it in one section, it actually holds together a bunch of ideas that could be really

[5:11:41] Voice 32: important to hold together.

[5:11:42] Trustee Patrick: I think that's wise. I think we can't call it waste and pollutants

[5:11:46] Trustee Patrick: section yet because we've got to rename it. So I think it's move it to the waste section and then

[5:11:50] Trustee Patrick: the next motion would rename it so um is there a second to this motion then we have not seconded

[5:11:57] Trustee Patrick: yet seconded by trustee peterson is there any further discussion on this motion not i'll call

[5:12:08] Trustee Patrick: the vote all those in favor so

[5:12:19] Voice 12: that's the 12th

[5:12:20] Trustee Patrick: lower your hands any opposed no

[5:12:30] Voice 25: then

[5:12:31] Trustee Patrick: we need a

[5:12:32] Trustee Patrick: quick resolution to rename that section go ahead trustee peterson i

[5:12:38] Voice 5: move that committee the whole

[5:12:40] Voice 5: recommend that trust council revise the new policy statement by renaming the director policies waste

[5:12:49] Voice 5: section waste emissions and pollutants all

[5:12:57] Trustee Patrick: right seconded by trustee morrison i'll give her a moment

[5:13:02] Trustee Patrick: we have the motion up there oh that's all right you're so lucky i'm not typing

[5:13:11] Trustee Patrick: live screen it

[5:13:13] Trustee Fast: needs to see waste emissions and pollutants the word emissions yeah

[5:13:24] Voice 23: and just

[5:13:29] Voice 32: a comma after waste please perfect

[5:13:40] Trustee Patrick: all right that's the motion before us uh discussion

[5:13:45] Trustee Patrick: trustee peterson oh

[5:13:48] Voice 5: yeah thank

[5:13:49] Voice 6: you and i just note that it was moved by peterson and seconded

[5:13:52] Voice 6: by morrison thank

[5:13:53] Trustee Patrick: you yep thank

[5:13:55] Trustee Gedye: you uh trustee getty was there not another section that we

[5:13:59] Trustee Gedye: referred to recently that was just uh emissions i can't find it right now but um it

[5:14:06] Trustee Patrick: was the final

[5:14:07] Trustee Patrick: one that

[5:14:07] Trustee Gedye: we were just talking about was that but when we were talking about that final one there

[5:14:12] Trustee Gedye: was another one that we referred to earlier that had mention of uh emissions that was climate change

[5:14:18] Trustee Patrick: change okay

[5:14:19] Trustee Gedye: so there's no redundant four

[5:14:23] Trustee Patrick: or five three four five i think this clears off

[5:14:27] Trustee Patrick: the redundancy okay and

[5:14:30] Voice 32: sorry there's just one wording um issue it should say by renaming the

[5:14:35] Voice 32: directives policy waste section to direct

[5:14:38] Trustee Patrick: us yes yeah thank you that makes it um

[5:14:43] Voice 32: do we all

[5:14:44] Voice 32: did we oh yeah that's good yeah yeah further discussion yeah

[5:14:49] Trustee Fast: trustee fast just that it was

[5:14:52] Trustee Fast: moved by trustee peterson seconded by trustee morrison there we go just allowing thank you

[5:14:59] Trustee Patrick: like we're all we're all getting a little tired here okay i'm gonna call the vote then all those

[5:15:07] Trustee Patrick: those in favor?

[5:15:14] Voice 11: There's 14 in favor, Chair.

[5:15:16] Trustee Patrick: Okay, lower your hands. Any opposed? All right,

[5:15:25] Trustee Patrick: trustees. Fabulous work here. So I think we're moving into the implementation section then.

[5:15:34] Trustee Patrick: And I know, oh, go ahead. Who's some? Trustee

[5:15:37] Voice 16: Morrison

[5:15:38] Trustee Patrick: had one. Oh, one more?

[5:15:40] Voice 16: Policy to suggest.

[5:15:41] Voice 16: no no

[5:15:44] Voice 32: um sorry no i don't think i need that one because i think it's covered in the adapt in the

[5:15:50] Voice 32: climate change section i think we're good yeah

[5:15:52] Trustee Patrick: great thank you for trustee evans just a question

[5:15:56] Voice 9: at the beginning of the conversation i had uh comments to make but i think we have to go on

[5:16:03] Voice 9: camera for that are we going to do that after we've gone through everything um we we had no

[5:16:09] Voice 9: no plans to go back into

[5:16:11] Voice 9: Canberra so

[5:16:12] Voice 9: I did mention it at the beginning and

[5:16:15] Voice 9: you said we'll get to that later

[5:16:18] Voice 9: so I was just

[5:16:20] Voice 9: wondering when we would get back to

[5:16:23] Voice 9: that and that was

[5:16:26] Voice 9: under goal one directive

[5:16:28] Voice 9: policies and advisory policies

[5:16:30] Voice 9: so I brought that up and

[5:16:32] Voice 9: you said we're not dealing

[5:16:34] Voice 9: with that now so I was just wondering

[5:16:36] Voice 9: when we can deal with that. You'll have to remind

[5:16:38] Voice 9: me what

[5:16:40] Voice 9: your question was

[5:16:43] Voice 9: That was Trustee Getty's comments, CS8, on page 10.

[5:16:54] Voice 9: Or for some reason, my thing has gone really big.

[5:17:01] Voice 9: So you can see cooperate and engage has been highlighted in both of those.

[5:17:06] Voice 9: And I had mentioned that there was legal advice surrounding that and whether or not I could discuss it.

[5:17:14] Voice 9: And you said we'll deal with it later.

[5:17:15] Voice 9: Right,

[5:17:24] Trustee Patrick: I'm not, my memory is starting to fail me today.

[5:17:32] Voice 8: No worries.

[5:17:33] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, Director Frater.

[5:17:36] Voice 18: Certainly, if you'd like to just pop in camera,

[5:17:38] Voice 18: you can certainly, we can put a motion on to go in camera

[5:17:40] Voice 18: subject to legal advice, which was the one that you passed earlier this morning.

[5:17:45] Voice 18: And then we can go in camera and discuss this,

[5:17:48] Voice 18: or you can also, we can prepare a motion for you to go in camera

[5:17:51] Voice 18: to discuss whether you'd like to be in camera,

[5:17:53] Voice 18: which is also a permissible motion.

[5:17:54] Voice 18: So staff could provide you with either of those, if that's helpful.

[5:17:58] Voice 18: Or both.

[5:17:59] Voice 9: Or both.

[5:18:01] Voice 9: I guess my question was, do you want to finish going through the entire document prior to getting there?

[5:18:08] Voice 9: And if time permits, we can deal with it in this meeting.

[5:18:11] Voice 9: And if time doesn't permit, we can deal with it in another meeting.

[5:18:15] Voice 9: That's my question.

[5:18:17] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[5:18:18] Trustee Patrick: I'm not looking.

[5:18:19] Trustee Patrick: So I guess, is there anything else, Trustee Getty, did we bypass any more of yours that needed to be addressed?

[5:18:28] Trustee Gedye: i think i had another spelling thing but it can slide all

[5:18:36] Trustee Patrick: right i'll look to trustees do you want

[5:18:39] Trustee Patrick: to further discuss this in camera or on this item in

[5:18:47] Trustee Fast: trustee fast uh thank you i'm i i'm not quite

[5:18:52] Trustee Fast: sure i'm following uh i would love to get to make sure that we actually vote on the main motion

[5:19:00] Trustee Fast: before us whether we're going to uh uh vote on this to send it to trust council for consideration

[5:19:07] Trustee Fast: of first reading so we've got 45 minutes left 40 minutes something like that i'm wondering

[5:19:12] Trustee Fast: it includes part four right so i would like to go through part four and make sure that we've

[5:19:18] Trustee Fast: been through all of it before we go uh taking um uh trustee evans's uh kind suggestion that we

[5:19:29] Trustee Fast: We could do it at the end.

[5:19:30] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[5:19:31] Trustee Patrick: So let's proceed then to, if there are no further comments on the goals and policies, which I think is fantastic, we'd move into then the implementation plan, Section 4.

[5:19:44] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, Trustee Getty.

[5:19:45] Trustee Patrick: So

[5:19:46] Trustee Gedye: under organizational policy alignment, in the third paragraph down, or sorry, in the second paragraph, we talk about section 4.1, 4 sub 1 of the Islands Trust Act, which confirms that trust council, executive committee, local trust committees, and Islands Trust Conservancy are continued for the purposes of carrying out the object of the trust.

[5:20:07] Trustee Gedye: So this was just implementation formalities.

[5:20:13] Trustee Gedye: But the next paragraph talks about expected to take general policy direction from the policy statement.

[5:20:20] Trustee Gedye: And in two places where the list of the entities is described, it does not cover Islands Trust Conservancy.

[5:20:29] Trustee Gedye: And I'm wondering if that is, I know it's not in the Act under Section 4 or 15, but I'm wondering if that is, I guess if this paragraph is a strict repetition of the legislation or whether it has been left off for some reason.

[5:20:51] Trustee Patrick: I'd look to staff to help clarify.

[5:20:55] Voice 18: I'll take that one.

[5:20:56] Voice 18: Yes, conservancy has been left off by design.

[5:21:01] Voice 18: The policy statement does not apply to the Conservancy.

[5:21:03] Voice 18: They are guided by their own document, the five-year plan,

[5:21:06] Voice 18: which is also approved by the Minister.

[5:21:09] Trustee Patrick: There we go.

[5:21:10] Trustee Patrick: Thanks.

[5:21:11] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[5:21:12] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Yates, you had a comment on the implementation plan?

[5:21:15] Voice 33: My comment does not come up until page 25 in the glossary,

[5:21:20] Voice 33: and I hope we can

[5:21:21] Trustee Patrick: get to it.

[5:21:22] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[5:21:22] Trustee Patrick: So we'll wait a moment.

[5:21:24] Trustee Patrick: Any other comments then on the implementation plan?

[5:21:33] Voice 9: Can we scroll down so we can see what the other comments are?

[5:21:35] Voice 9: are and then if there are there are no no

[5:21:39] Trustee Patrick: more of trustee gettys that was it so it's oh it's a

[5:21:42] Trustee Patrick: legislative processes i guess uh trustee getty was this just minor this was the again and we don't

[5:21:52] Trustee Patrick: oh this this ah staff yeomans you said we don't put the in front of the islands no i guess it's

[5:21:59] Trustee Gedye: the

[5:21:59] Trustee Patrick: minister the minister yeah oh

[5:22:10] Trustee Gedye: no it might be the islands trust again sorry so then omit that

[5:22:13] Trustee Gedye: that one we've covered it so

[5:22:16] Trustee Patrick: i guess that's all right so then that does take us to the glossary

[5:22:20] Trustee Patrick: of terms trustee getty you had one here at the beginning for active recreation yep

[5:22:25] Trustee Gedye: so when you

[5:22:26] Trustee Gedye: get into specific people or teams often perform with specific people of teams if

[5:22:36] Voice 18: i might share

[5:22:37] Voice 18: this is one we'll just

[5:22:38] Voice 18: just make that change without emotion all

[5:22:40] Trustee Patrick: right that's good news

[5:22:43] Trustee Patrick: then your next one was colonization ah

[5:22:48] Trustee Gedye: okay so um i think this is potentially a hot potato

[5:22:53] Trustee Gedye: and i really like the definition i don't have any trouble with that at all but

[5:22:57] Trustee Gedye: um i would like to see the um like we've done in critical habitat um i would like to see the

[5:23:05] Trustee Gedye: the reference put at the beginning uh and i think it just diffuses things a little bit more in terms

[5:23:11] Trustee Gedye: of, oh, look, you know, we've just copied this. I disagree. I would like to amend my sentence

[5:23:17] Trustee Gedye: because I don't think you should start a sentence with as, but anyway, I think that that reference

[5:23:24] Trustee Gedye: should come at the beginning of this definition.

[5:23:31] Trustee Patrick: I look at staff humans.

[5:23:34] Voice 1: Yeah, I was just going to

[5:23:35] Voice 1: note before trustees get into discussion on this, that it was the intent to remove

[5:23:40] Voice 1: all of the references prior to the finalization of the document. The references

[5:23:44] Voice 1: have been included largely for the trustees benefit so there's and for

[5:23:48] Voice 1: public benefit so there's some transparency as to where we are drawing

[5:23:53] Voice 1: these definitions from but it was not the intent to maintain the definitions

[5:23:57] Voice 1: within or not sorry not to maintain the references within the glossary in the

[5:24:02] Voice 1: final version. Oh

[5:24:03] Trustee Patrick: that changes things. Trustee Elliott.

[5:24:13] Voice 19: Thanks we keep getting

[5:24:15] Voice 19: questions about the source for the definition of environment and I don't

[5:24:22] Voice 19: know if we have time to discuss that today but whether we need to source

[5:24:26] Voice 19: other definitions for that particular one I

[5:24:32] Trustee Patrick: think trustee Yates is going to

[5:24:33] Trustee Patrick: bring that up in a moment oh great trustee Morrison yeah

[5:24:41] Voice 32: just I'm

[5:24:42] Voice 32: surprised to hear that we would consider removing citations I think that they are

[5:24:48] Voice 32: are actually really critical because they hold our meaning in time. And so I think it's really

[5:24:54] Voice 32: important to keep them. Trustee Boland?

[5:24:59] Voice 8: I absolutely agree. I see no reason to remove

[5:25:03] Voice 8: them. I think they're very important. Thanks.

[5:25:07] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast? I also agree. I think sources are

[5:25:12] Trustee Fast: incredibly important. And I wonder what the reason would be for removing them. Maybe there's

[5:25:18] Trustee Fast: something i'm not seeing it's

[5:25:21] Trustee Patrick: over to staff was there a particular reason for removing sources

[5:25:26] Voice 18: so i'll just if we could just go to the top of the glossary of terms we could just scroll back

[5:25:30] Voice 18: up you'll we've had a note in this document that you've been reviewing the thinking we might need

[5:25:35] Voice 18: to make it bigger for some of you i'm not sure um the thinking was that typically citations are

[5:25:40] Voice 18: not included in glossaries it's simply how the organization itself chooses to have a definition

[5:25:45] Voice 18: definition but there are no hard and fast rules here but simply it's been you know typically seen

[5:25:50] Voice 18: as best practice the organization defines for itself what this means but if you'd like to have

[5:25:54] Voice 18: a source definition included certainly you could and I'll turn director mother's got comments here

[5:25:59] Voice 18: go

[5:26:00] Trustee Patrick: ahead director yeah

[5:26:01] Voice 11: just uh maybe principles remember this is a bylaw that you're writing so

[5:26:06] Voice 11: everything in there is it's kind of it's a legal interpretation so the glossary should stand by

[5:26:12] Voice 11: itself. It may be confusing if you put where it comes from. Somebody would then try to interpret

[5:26:18] Voice 11: it maybe differently, and it could lead to some ambiguity as to what is intended. So my

[5:26:25] Voice 11: advice would be to not have those references, but to have the definition stand alone, because it's

[5:26:34] Voice 11: going to apply as a bylaw. Thanks.

[5:26:39] Trustee Fast: Okay, Trustee Faust? Okay, thank you. That answers my question.

[5:26:43] Trustee Fast: And then that makes sense as it's in a bylaw, and we can always refer people to this draft in this agenda if anybody wants to know where the terms came from, right?

[5:26:57] Trustee Fast: And we can refer to this agenda, this draft.

[5:27:00] Trustee Fast: So I am satisfied.

[5:27:02] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[5:27:05] Trustee Fast: Trustee Boland?

[5:27:07] Voice 8: is it possible that we should add a list of references if you know content that was

[5:27:16] Voice 8: yeah references even if we don't attribute them to each particular glossary item i think it's

[5:27:23] Voice 8: really really important that we look outside ourselves and rely on reputable sources

[5:27:29] Voice 8: and because some of these are going to cause debate and you know i think it's really important

[5:27:37] Voice 8: important. Thanks. Trustee Getty?

[5:27:41] Trustee Gedye: Yeah, if there's any way of, if we need to vote or recommend,

[5:27:46] Trustee Gedye: I would much prefer to have the references left in. And, you know, it may be

[5:27:54] Trustee Gedye: stylistic in terms of, you know, what's included in a bylaw typically, but I find these very

[5:27:59] Trustee Gedye: helpful. And it broadens, we're not just, you know, dealing with this internally, that we're

[5:28:06] Trustee Gedye: We're looking at all sorts of different resources.

[5:28:08] Trustee Gedye: And, you know, we might want to change things as maybe different resources become public.

[5:28:18] Trustee Gedye: But at this point, I find them very helpful.

[5:28:22] Trustee Fast: Trustee Faust?

[5:28:23] Trustee Fast: I'm rethinking again.

[5:28:24] Trustee Fast: I'm thinking I would prefer to leave them in for first reading, partly so we can remember when we come to first reading, which is a few months away now.

[5:28:36] Trustee Fast: and but also so that the community can see see that and so can all of our

[5:28:42] Trustee Fast: collaborators and the people that are be good giving us input maybe they'll send

[5:28:45] Trustee Fast: us better definitions maybe they'll want to comment on the definitions and

[5:28:49] Trustee Fast: they'll have better sources when we come to later readings maybe we can take them

[5:28:56] Trustee Fast: out again so I like leaving them in thank you all

[5:29:01] Trustee Patrick: right how about a quick

[5:29:01] Trustee Patrick: straw poll then um i'm going to say is there anyone who would who supports removing the

[5:29:08] Trustee Patrick: references at this stage anyone support removing them one

[5:29:16] Voice 23: all

[5:29:18] Trustee Patrick: right well i think staff i have seen

[5:29:21] Trustee Patrick: that for at this stage i think the trustees are preferring to leave the references in the

[5:29:26] Trustee Patrick: glossary and always revisit at a later reading trustee peterson yeah i just

[5:29:35] Oh,

[5:29:35] Voice 6: sorry, I just wanted to check in with staff to see if there's any further advice on this

[5:29:44] Voice 6: on the removal.

[5:29:47] Voice 21: Or not removal.

[5:29:50] Voice 3: Advantage of Trustee Peterson being in the room. You can read the room better than perhaps you

[5:29:55] Voice 3: can online. I think there's a couple pieces for consideration. We're hearing the comments.

[5:30:00] Voice 3: um part of the challenge of leaving them in permanently is that

[5:30:07] Voice 3: you also then run the risk

[5:30:08] Voice 3: of your bylaw is then citing references that if those other pieces or those other definitions

[5:30:14] Voice 3: change at a future date you are then out of step with the source that you're citing and so that's

[5:30:19] Voice 3: part of the reason for not including them um director martyr has noted that there would be

[5:30:24] Voice 3: the option of including a list of references as part of a consolidation so outside of the formal

[5:30:30] Voice 3: bylaw itself but with the final bylaw you could attach a source of references and you could frame

[5:30:37] Voice 3: that as at the time the bylaw was passed we used the definitions from these sources so that would

[5:30:41] Voice 3: be one option but um i don't know that i'll defer to director marta i don't know it's an issue to

[5:30:47] Voice 3: leave them in for the time being for the purposes of first reading but it would be more problematic

[5:30:52] Voice 3: to leave them in to the final

[5:30:53] Voice 3: bylaw.

[5:30:54] Voice 11: Yeah, I'd agree with that

[5:30:56] Voice 3: for discussion purposes

[5:30:57] Voice 11: I think that's fine

[5:31:00] Voice 11: the consolidation is

[5:31:02] Voice 11: probably the best option to add

[5:31:03] Voice 11: information in that you just don't want to adopt

[5:31:06] Voice 11: by bylaw but you would like the public to see it

[5:31:08] Voice 11: we did that quite

[5:31:09] Voice 11: extensively in official community plans

[5:31:11] Voice 11: where local trust committee

[5:31:14] Voice 11: would want to have information notes

[5:31:15] Voice 11: to help them explain

[5:31:17] Voice 11: but you don't want to adopt

[5:31:19] Voice 11: those particular things so

[5:31:21] Voice 11: So it is a legit way to add things like references

[5:31:24] Voice 11: or other sources that you would like to put

[5:31:29] Voice 11: into your policy document to help provide the reader

[5:31:33] Voice 11: with a little bit more interpretive information.

[5:31:36] Voice 11: Thanks.

[5:31:36] Voice 11: So yeah, if you include it first reading,

[5:31:39] Voice 11: I would definitely recommend you pull them out

[5:31:41] Voice 11: before adoptions, before third reading.

[5:31:43] Voice 11: Thanks.

[5:31:44] Trustee Patrick: So can we just take that assumption for now

[5:31:48] Trustee Patrick: and then revisit this after first reading if that it's easier than trying to create another document

[5:31:55] Trustee Patrick: trustee trustee trustee boland yeah

[5:32:00] Voice 8: we i'm happy to go forward with this but just a comment can we

[5:32:04] Voice 8: like if we actually make a statement at the top that we adopted these definitions from those

[5:32:10] Voice 8: sources as of this date would that be sufficient and then leave them in so we actually adopted

[5:32:19] Voice 8: opted them we decided these were the best and then they become a part of updating the trust

[5:32:25] Voice 8: policy statement in general if any of them are challenged you know which you know things will

[5:32:32] Voice 8: be challenged and updated so i just wonder if there's a way to be very specific about how we're

[5:32:38] Voice 8: using them other than just removing those references that we used thanks an interest of

[5:32:46] Trustee Patrick: I think the direction is we're going to leave it as is for now, for first reading, and we can revisit the best way to go forward at a later date, if that is kind of an interesting way to leave it.

[5:32:59] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Getty?

[5:33:04] Trustee Gedye: Okay, so then to go back to the colonists, where did that one go?

[5:33:13] Trustee Gedye: It's up there now.

[5:33:15] Trustee Gedye: colonialism so um do we leave it at the bottom in terms of in brackets this is the source or

[5:33:23] Trustee Gedye: can we move it up to the front of that uh the beginning of that paragraph well

[5:33:31] Trustee Patrick: it sounds like

[5:33:31] Trustee Patrick: it may come out at some point so there's probably no benefit to move it to the top at this point

[5:33:37] Trustee Patrick: i would be my take unless there's an alternative opinion trusty fast i

[5:33:41] Trustee Fast: like having it at the end

[5:33:42] Trustee Fast: as sources citations usually are and as they are in all the other ones so i i just think it's part

[5:33:49] Trustee Fast: of the design at the moment thank you i like it like that all

[5:33:52] Trustee Patrick: right i know trustee yates has been

[5:33:54] Trustee Patrick: terribly patient and i don't want to use up her time trustee yates did you want to talk about

[5:33:59] Trustee Patrick: we can always go back into if someone had another definition they wanted to deal with but i know

[5:34:04] Trustee Patrick: she wants to deal with e thank

[5:34:06] Voice 33: you uh chair patrick and i hope my uh internet holds through

[5:34:10] Voice 33: it's really wobbly right now. I'll try to leave the video on. So I did send this in to Alexandra

[5:34:16] Voice 33: with copy to Planner Yeomans and a copy to you, Chair Patrick. So there it is. And I wonder if

[5:34:27] Voice 33: I should speak to it very briefly before I even say it. Because the reason I want to see this

[5:34:36] Voice 33: is because it in no way is ignoring or lessening the impact of cultural history and all the other

[5:34:46] Voice 33: amenities, many of which are unique to the Islands Trust area in no way. So I just really want to be

[5:34:53] Voice 33: clear on that. But I do believe that the word environment for the purpose of the Islands Trust

[5:35:00] Voice 33: trust act and or mandate refers to the natural environment of the island's trust area as defined

[5:35:08] Voice 33: by its climate geology flora and fauna and not by human impacts so that's my motion and you can even

[5:35:18] Voice 33: do a straw poll and i'll be happy with that all

[5:35:22] Trustee Patrick: right uh trustees thoughts and comments uh trustee

[5:35:27] Trustee Patrick: Celia?

[5:35:28] Voice 19: Well, we've been talking about sources. Where did you

[5:35:31] Voice 33: get the source for this definition?

[5:35:35] Voice 33: I did not take that source from any written place. I just wrote that from all of the many

[5:35:43] Voice 33: decades that I have been following the trust and supporting the trust and listening to people who

[5:35:50] Voice 33: really care about the island's trust. That's it. That's why I said maybe you just want to

[5:35:56] Voice 33: to do a straw poll so

[5:36:00] Voice 19: if i could follow up i do agree that the definition of environment as it's

[5:36:05] Voice 19: written should be changed but i don't think we can make up definitions this is a glossary so i do

[5:36:12] Voice 19: think we should find a definition of environment that reflects what you are thinking the natural

[5:36:22] Voice 19: environment trustee evans i

[5:36:31] Voice 9: agree i am not comfortable having a definition written without

[5:36:37] Voice 9: a source especially on something that is defining our mandate and is narrowing the definition into

[5:36:47] Voice 9: only natural environment versus the mandate which is just environment i would be cautious about that

[5:36:56] Voice 9: And I think we would have to have a larger discussion as a trust council as to whether or not that is, in fact, the position of trust council, that it is the natural environment versus the broader environment as could potentially be interpreted by the mandate the way that it's written.

[5:37:15] Voice 9: So I'm not in favor of, I'm sorry, your proposed new definition.

[5:37:23] Voice 9: Thank you, though.

[5:37:23] Voice 9: I'd

[5:37:24] Trustee Patrick: look to staff for what kind of work would be involved in doing a search for definitions of environment that could be options. Staff, humans?

[5:37:44] Voice 1: I don't mind saying that in anticipation of this question possibly arising, given some of the public interest in it and the correspondence that Trust Council has received, we did do a little bit of poking around as to places that we might look as staff to provide you with some potential definitions of environment.

[5:38:03] Voice 1: And of course, my instinct is to look immediately to our parent governments, to both the province and then to the federal government to see what definitions they might offer that might be useful.

[5:38:13] Voice 1: And so there is a Ministry of Environment Act from the province, which does provide a definition of environment as to whether it would be satisfactory to trust council for the purposes of carrying out your planning and land use management functions.

[5:38:31] Voice 1: I'm not entirely sure. So I don't know how much I don't know how much further staff would want to search beyond what the province says is the definition of environment and what the federal government says is the definition of environment for the purpose of developing our own sort of custom made one.

[5:38:52] Voice 1: At least that's that's kind of my my staff perspective on it.

[5:38:56] Trustee Patrick: All right. Trustee Elliott.

[5:38:57] Voice 19: yep so this is just a quick check on um statistics canada on their environment

[5:39:08] Voice 19: section although it relates to quality of life but even their environment contains two subdomains

[5:39:15] Voice 19: and 14 indicators it i i think it would be difficult to find an all-encompassing term

[5:39:22] Voice 19: And so maybe some direction about natural environment. And this comes back to the function of the term. What function are we looking for in this

[5:39:37] Voice 19: term? In our OCP, we're looking at the built environment and the natural environment.

[5:39:43] Voice 19: And those are different regulatory bylaws to constrain or direct activities within them. So if we're looking for a definition of the natural environment, that might be one. But this, yeah, I don't think we're going to philosophically solve this today, if there are many different expressions of what environment we're talking about.

[5:40:11] Voice 19: out trustee bolan uh

[5:40:18] Voice 8: yeah i don't think we're going to solve it today i think the problem i

[5:40:22] Voice 8: have is you know we're joking about the definition of environment and the definition of natural

[5:40:28] Voice 8: environment but actually this states that in the act environment is equivalent to natural

[5:40:34] Voice 8: environment and i don't know how to resolve that um so it's you know it's it's not a definition

[5:40:43] Voice 8: of either it's the fact that one equates to the other and i don't think we can really deal with

[5:40:50] Voice 8: that right now i think it is a trust council larger discussion but in preparation for trust

[5:40:57] Voice 8: council maybe we could make a motion that asks for a briefing on the meanings and the options

[5:41:05] Voice 8: on the other hand i don't want to waste people's time either by you know can we do something quick

[5:41:11] Voice 8: not too onerous but i do think it deserves discussion but i wouldn't be in favor of this

[5:41:21] Voice 8: right now thanks

[5:41:22] Trustee Fast: trustee fast um thank you uh similarly i'm not in favor of doing this right

[5:41:28] Trustee Fast: now it's a big question there's lots of definitions i just took a quick skim through the squamish

[5:41:34] Trustee Fast: nation's new land use agreement with the province environment is in there three times it's not

[5:41:39] Trustee Fast: defined. And I don't know that it's going to need a definition beyond the ongoing community

[5:41:47] Trustee Fast: discussions. And I think we should move on. I'm worried about getting to the big motion that we

[5:41:53] Trustee Fast: still have to deal with, as well as the one that Trustee Evans wants to speak to. So I hope we can

[5:42:02] Trustee Fast: move on.

[5:42:03] Trustee Patrick: All right, trustees. So looking for direction, we have our options of either asking

[5:42:08] Trustee Patrick: asking staff to give us a briefing on what few definitions they found

[5:42:12] Trustee Patrick: from government definitions or what to proceed.

[5:42:18] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Yates?

[5:42:19] Voice 33: I don't want to take up more staff time on this.

[5:42:23] Voice 33: I do know that Planner Yeomans has looked into definitions, and so have I.

[5:42:30] Voice 33: I just thought it might be worth bringing up here.

[5:42:34] Voice 33: It's probably the last kick at the can,

[5:42:36] Voice 33: and I'm quite happy for this to go out to first reading and see what we come back with.

[5:42:42] Trustee Patrick: All right. Well, thank you very much. I'm sure we're going to get comments, as we know, in this

[5:42:46] Trustee Patrick: area. And I, too, looked at definitions in this one and found the same one that Jason found. So,

[5:42:55] Trustee Patrick: all right, then. Are there any other comments on the glossary, Trustee Getty?

[5:43:00] Trustee Patrick: The

[5:43:00] Trustee Gedye: last one is restoration, page 27. So we do refer in the text of the document to restoration of cultural heritage sites, I think in two places. But this definition is quite specific to ecological restoration.

[5:43:19] Trustee Gedye: So, and it would be difficult to play with this and to massage it so that it deals with, because I don't think initiate or accelerate ecosystem recovery fits with restoration of cultural sites.

[5:43:34] Trustee Gedye: So I think this should be retitled as ecological restoration and then left alone.

[5:43:40] Trustee Gedye: staff

[5:43:43] Trustee Patrick: i guess that that is a good point because we did mention that before

[5:43:48] Trustee Patrick: uh not hearing anything for staff trustee fast i agree let's do that all right

[5:43:58] Trustee Patrick: is there any uh trustee eights i agree too all right if uh i guess we're making a motion real

[5:44:06] Trustee Patrick: quick all

[5:44:08] Trustee Gedye: right so um gosh oh i don't have the thank

[5:44:14] Trustee Patrick: you look it's it's many of the whole

[5:44:15] Trustee Patrick: recommend

[5:44:16] Trustee Gedye: that trust council revise the draft policy statement by amending the glossary

[5:44:22] Trustee Gedye: to change the title from restoration to ecological restoration and to replace it

[5:44:30] Trustee Gedye: alphabetically in the in the glossary if

[5:44:41] Voice 3: i may i don't think you need the second part about

[5:44:43] Voice 3: ordering

[5:44:43] Voice 3: did you

[5:44:48] Trustee Fast: want to change just the title or did you want to put it

[5:44:51] Trustee Fast: ecological restoration is the process of

[5:44:53] Trustee Fast: in the text.

[5:44:55] Trustee Gedye: I can't see the text anymore.

[5:45:00] Trustee Gedye: Probably best in the

[5:45:01] Trustee Gedye: text as well.

[5:45:06] Trustee Gedye: Although that's repetitive.

[5:45:10] Trustee Gedye: Either one.

[5:45:11] Trustee Gedye: I

[5:45:11] Trustee Patrick: think as long as we get the

[5:45:14] Trustee Patrick: main word there.

[5:45:16] Trustee Patrick: Yes, sir.

[5:45:17] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[5:45:19] Trustee Patrick: Oh, Staffie Owens, before we second?

[5:45:22] Voice 1: Yeah, I'm just

[5:45:23] Voice 1: going to complicate this.

[5:45:26] Voice 1: If the purpose of the glossary is

[5:45:28] Voice 1: is to define terms that are used elsewhere in the document.

[5:45:31] Voice 1: The term ecological restoration does not appear anywhere else in the policy statement

[5:45:35] Voice 1: except in the current definition of restoration.

[5:45:42] Voice 1: So things like restoration of ecosystems, for example,

[5:45:46] Voice 1: is a term that's used elsewhere in the document.

[5:45:48] Voice 1: But if we are defining ecological restoration,

[5:45:52] Voice 1: that's not a phrase that's used in the policy statement.

[5:45:57] Trustee Gedye: All right. You are complicating things.

[5:46:03] Voice 18: We also have restoration of soils.

[5:46:06] Voice 18: Can

[5:46:06] Trustee Gedye: I have a follow-up then?

[5:46:07] Trustee Gedye: Yes, please.

[5:46:09] Trustee Gedye: I don't think we need to decide this now,

[5:46:11] Trustee Gedye: but I think that we do have a problem that we can try to sort out later on

[5:46:16] Trustee Gedye: because there is restoration of cultural heritage sites,

[5:46:19] Trustee Gedye: which is quite different from this whole business about accelerating ecosystem recovery.

[5:46:25] Trustee Gedye: So I think that we need to, if we're going to leave it as restoration

[5:46:30] Trustee Gedye: and we want to try and include both where it's mentioned in the document

[5:46:36] Trustee Gedye: that we need to change this definition.

[5:46:39] Trustee Patrick: Which will

[5:46:40] Trustee Patrick: add its own issues.

[5:46:42] Trustee Patrick: All right, Trustee Boland?

[5:46:43] Trustee Patrick: Can

[5:46:49] Voice 8: we just take out, can we just say restoration of an ecosystem?

[5:46:54] Voice 8: And then, you know, we immediately make it specific to the ecosystem

[5:47:00] Voice 8: that has been degraded, blah, blah, blah.

[5:47:02] Voice 8: so we don't say we don't say there are no other restorations possible but restoration of an

[5:47:09] Voice 8: ecosystem is blah blah

[5:47:10] Trustee Patrick: it's the the issue is it's referred to in multiple policies

[5:47:15] Trustee Patrick: the word restoration to other things so that's that's the challenge yeah

[5:47:21] Voice 32: yeah

[5:47:22] Trustee Patrick: trustee evans

[5:47:23] Trustee Patrick: all right well the boardroom i see the boardroom

[5:47:25] Voice 8: sorry can i just say one other thing well why

[5:47:28] Voice 8: don't we take out the ecosystem and make it generic just say anything that's been degraded

[5:47:33] Voice 8: you initiate a recovery just a suggestion

[5:47:40] Trustee Patrick: that's a possibility to look to the boardroom

[5:47:44] Voice 18: thank you chair um i'm just wondering or we're wondering does it need to be included at all it's

[5:47:48] Voice 18: a very plainly understood term doesn't necessarily need definition in the glossary so you could

[5:47:54] Voice 18: contemplate just taking it out altogether because it does work within the document itself it does

[5:47:59] Voice 18: refer to both ecology and for example community heritage sites and soils so it may be simplest

[5:48:04] Voice 18: just to remove the definition that

[5:48:06] Voice 9: is an option trustee evans i think that'd be the simplest

[5:48:11] Voice 9: solution like i said i spotted 21 different areas that use the word restoration so ecosystem and if

[5:48:18] Voice 9: we do keep this definition ecosystem has to be replaced with something generic in order to apply

[5:48:23] Voice 9: to all variants of it but as also mentioned it is a it is a generally understood term

[5:48:30] Voice 9: so perhaps removal is the simplest route all

[5:48:34] Trustee Patrick: right trustee boland lack of saving of time here i'm

[5:48:37] Trustee Patrick: going to recommend we work on a motion for for that did you have something to add trustee boland

[5:48:43] Trustee Patrick: no trustee fast i

[5:48:46] Trustee Fast: was going to move okay that committee of the whole recommend to executive

[5:48:50] Trustee Fast: committee that it forwarded oops wrong one sorry that committee the whole recommend that

[5:48:59] Trustee Fast: uh trust council revised the draft policy statement by removing the term restoration

[5:49:07] Trustee Fast: and its definition from the glossary i

[5:49:14] Trustee Patrick: know trustee eights is going to second that when she

[5:49:16] Trustee Patrick: she's already beat you if uh if we get that up and running i think i'm going to trust staff to

[5:49:22] Trustee Patrick: get that one typed so trustee Yates is seconded that is there any discussion I'm going to go ahead

[5:49:28] Trustee Patrick: and call the vote then all those in favor of removing restoration

[5:49:37] Voice 12: yeah

[5:49:40] Trustee Patrick: lower your hands

[5:49:42] Trustee Patrick: is there anyone who wishes to keep restoration anyone opposed all right that carries all right

[5:49:54] Trustee Patrick: then uh trustee Evans I

[5:49:57] Voice 9: was just going to ask if um if I would need to make a motion so that the

[5:50:02] Voice 9: Going back to the item that I was talking about earlier. So this was brought to my attention by Staff Rater, by Director Rater. So I know that she has the information and also had identified the issue.

[5:50:18] Voice 9: So I'm wondering if perhaps for the next meeting when we when we meet as trust counsel, if this can be brought forward with the with the issue identified in like a briefing or report or something for short doesn't I don't think it needs to be that long.

[5:50:36] Voice 9: If that's if that's if that's doable, because I don't really want to have the conversation today.

[5:50:41] Voice 9: day we're tired and i think we're pretty much done um but i don't want to lose this because

[5:50:45] Voice 9: it was brought forward as something that uh that may have been missed so i i would i would like to

[5:50:52] Voice 9: have um this looked at and brought forward again so what's the best course of action here do you

[5:50:59] Voice 9: have a resolution not offhand but i could make one and quickly

[5:51:04] Voice 18: going camera staff can just provide

[5:51:06] Voice 18: on screen the resolution that was used to go on camera earlier today and we can simply outline

[5:51:11] Voice 18: like the issue and then you can decide if you'd like to just deal with it today or if you'd like

[5:51:14] Voice 18: us to provide a briefing for in camera for your first reading day i

[5:51:19] Voice 9: from my perspective i think

[5:51:21] Voice 9: we're tired i don't really want to have this conversation right now personally all right so

[5:51:26] Trustee Patrick: a brief a brief briefing do we have a uh resolution for that um

[5:51:34] Voice 18: because you're in open meetings staff

[5:51:37] Voice 18: can simply proactively bring that forward i expect okay

[5:51:40] Trustee Patrick: so we don't need

[5:51:41] Trustee Patrick: a resolution super

[5:51:42] Trustee Patrick: Super. All right, then. Are there any other conversations here, then, on this at this point?

[5:51:55] Trustee Patrick: We did pretty darn good with nine minutes to spare. Oh, Trustee Peterson.

[5:52:02] Voice 5: Well, to the point Trustee Fass raised a couple of times, there was the recommendation.

[5:52:11] Voice 5: Yep.

[5:52:12] Voice 5: And maybe should we do that?

[5:52:14] Voice 5: I

[5:52:15] Trustee Patrick: think so. That's what we were trying to aim at. I just didn't want to make anyone feel rushed that we were moving forward.

[5:52:20] Trustee Patrick: I think

[5:52:20] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Fast wants to make this motion badly, Trustee Peterson.

[5:52:25] Voice 6: Absolutely. I wouldn't want to steal her thunder.

[5:52:27] Trustee Fast: Go for it, Trustee Fast.

[5:52:29] Trustee Fast: I don't mean thunder. That might mean lightning. We don't want that.

[5:52:33] Trustee Fast: Okay. I move that Committee of the Whole recommend to Executive Committee that it forward the draft new policy statement as amended to Islands Trust Council for consideration of first reading.

[5:52:46] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second, Trustee Peterson? Yes. Seconded by Trustee Peterson. Any discussion? Trustee Elliott?

[5:52:57] Voice 19: I just want to say hooray

[5:52:58] Trustee Patrick: and congratulations, everybody.

[5:53:02] Trustee Patrick: It is a big moment. If there's no further discussion.

[5:53:08] Voice 15: first

[5:53:08] Trustee Patrick: yes let's call the vote all those in favor all right

[5:53:18] Voice 12: lower

[5:53:20] Trustee Patrick: your hands and any opposed

[5:53:31] Trustee Patrick: oh congratulations that carries so wonderful news i

[5:53:37] Voice 8: think it might have been

[5:53:38] Voice 8: 16 in favor

[5:53:39] Voice 8: because i think uh trustee graham was late putting his hands up just it could have been

[5:53:44] Voice 8: unanimous i believe i think

[5:53:47] Voice 27: i was late putting my hand down

[5:53:48] Voice 27: all

[5:53:49] Trustee Patrick: right so trustees this is a moment of celebration um we are moving forward to um

[5:54:01] Trustee Patrick: first reading i think circling back on some of the conversations we had before i think i don't

[5:54:06] Trustee Patrick: know if stuff need i think just as we move toward first reading i think we are already looking at

[5:54:11] Trustee Patrick: making sure the website and things are accessible and understandable as best as possible.

[5:54:21] Trustee Patrick: Is there any other direction you need from us at this point? I'll look to staff.

[5:54:28] Voice 18: No, Chair, thank you. We will be preparing all the materials for Trust Council and they'll be

[5:54:32] Voice 18: going to Executive Committee for a July 17th meeting for review and out to Trust Council

[5:54:37] Voice 18: after that. Please encourage all your colleagues to attend so we can achieve a quorum on that day.

[5:54:42] Voice 18: so we look we're looking forward to bring it to you for first reading and then to hearing back

[5:54:47] Voice 18: from all the public and the very many other organizations and governments that will be

[5:54:51] Voice 18: asked to comment well

[5:54:53] Trustee Patrick: thank you and i really think all of us thank staff for your hard work

[5:54:57] Trustee Patrick: to get us to where we are today so thank you to all of you trustee evans

[5:55:02] Trustee Patrick: one

[5:55:04] Voice 9: one last piece that

[5:55:05] Voice 9: we were talking about earlier was with regards to communication would we be able to have the

[5:55:13] Voice 9: I can't find my paper right now that I had it written down.

[5:55:16] Voice 9: There was something that it was in the follow-up action list

[5:55:21] Voice 9: that was completed, but I can't find it.

[5:55:24] Voice 9: So can that get released as a news release was the question earlier.

[5:55:28] Voice 9: And we said we would talk about that during the communication portion.

[5:55:32] Voice 9: Well,

[5:55:33] Trustee Patrick: I think it's clear communications at this point

[5:55:36] Trustee Patrick: and having it available.

[5:55:38] Trustee Patrick: available I

[5:55:39] Voice 8: think this was specific to the summary that was prepared for executive committee

[5:55:44] Voice 8: on the meeting and the mandate that that went into somewhere but not necessarily a news release

[5:55:53] Voice 8: executive

[5:55:53] Trustee Gedye: committee agenda

[5:55:55] Voice 8: went into an agenda which I can't find yeah so I think it's really

[5:55:59] Voice 8: really important given the background to all of this that it goes out as a news release

[5:56:03] Voice 8: police with the legal everything that happened at that meeting thanks all

[5:56:08] Trustee Patrick: right i'm just trying

[5:56:09] Trustee Patrick: to think look to staff for how can we handle this at this point to make it easier can we uh can we

[5:56:15] Trustee Patrick: ask the executive committee to review this for communications or yes

[5:56:20] Voice 18: let's do that do we need

[5:56:22] Trustee Patrick: a motion to do that no we can just

[5:56:25] Voice 3: bring it forward to okay

[5:56:26] Trustee Patrick: there we go then if we have no

[5:56:30] Trustee Patrick: no further business then i just need a motion to adjourn oh sorry trustee yeti motion to adjourn

[5:56:37] Trustee Patrick: oh thank you is there a second seconded by trustee hunter thank you all right i assume we're all in

[5:56:45] Trustee Patrick: favor or just you know anyone opposed is usually at this point so um everyone's in favor so we are

[5:56:51] Trustee Patrick: adjourned thank you everyone