Mayne Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, July 28, 2025

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[0:00:18] Voice 2: you hear us there everybody out in the ethernets internets

[0:00:24] Voice 2: we can't okay great wonderful uh well let us begin um this is the regularly scheduled

[0:00:32] Voice 2: business meeting of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee here for July 28th

[0:00:38] Voice 2: 2025. I'm your chair Toby Elliott elected on

[0:00:43] Voice 2: Gabriela Island is the name of First Nation Territory and with me your two

[0:00:47] Voice 2: local trustees David Mon and Chidi Dodds. And we're joined by our Island Planner

[0:00:53] Voice 2: Nursa Chavik who's been working diligently on a number of projects

[0:00:58] Voice 2: across the trust area but this housing one is quite frequently leading the way so it's going

[0:01:04] Voice 2: to be a very exciting meeting today and happy to um see you all in in attendance for coming

[0:01:10] Voice 2: uh we want to begin by acknowledging that we are grateful to live work and do business and

[0:01:16] Voice 2: gather today in locations across the traditional territory of the coast salish peoples and the um

[0:01:23] Voice 2: particularly with recognition for wasate niche and the shothan speaking peoples of the southern

[0:01:27] Voice 2: and gulf islands we want to just always keep in mind their stewardship their values traditions

[0:01:34] Voice 2: and ways of knowing um that have really developed the islands and and we want to ensure that their

[0:01:42] Voice 2: rights are respected as we do our work today uh so gone through our introductions today we make up

[0:01:49] Voice 2: the main island uh local trust committee just to note that this meeting is being live streamed and

[0:01:56] Voice 2: recorded for those who are unable to attend in person today recordings are typically available

[0:02:01] Voice 2: on our website within the next few days and this meeting is an official forum for your local trust

[0:02:07] Voice 2: committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business

[0:02:13] Voice 2: i do want to add that this is a place of employment and our staff have the right to a safe

[0:02:19] Voice 2: and respectful workplace. So with that we'll move to the approval of the agenda.

[0:02:26] Voice 2: Is there any changes? Nope. All right. It's taken by general consent that the agenda

[0:02:32] Voice 2: be approved and we'll move into town hall and questions as we always do. This

[0:02:40] Voice 2: will be followed very quickly with a community information meeting and so

[0:02:45] Voice 2: So just to separate the two pieces a little bit,

[0:02:48] Voice 2: Town Hall, we invite your questions or comments on any business.

[0:02:54] Voice 2: If you have comments on applications or other areas,

[0:03:00] Voice 2: pieces that you want us to know about,

[0:03:02] Voice 2: or you have questions about, maybe ask those questions then.

[0:03:06] Voice 2: And then we'll move into the community information meeting

[0:03:09] Voice 2: and we'll be just focusing on the main island housing project.

[0:03:13] Voice 2: So, we'll sort of separate those two and we'll do the community information meetings

[0:03:19] Voice 2: somewhat informally.

[0:03:20] Voice 2: You can ask questions of the planner.

[0:03:22] Voice 4: We

[0:03:22] Voice 2: can have more of a dialogue so it'll be less formal than our meeting procedure.

[0:03:28] Voice 2: But with that, I'll open the floor and the town hall if anybody would like to address

[0:03:33] Voice 2: the local trust committee on something other than the main island housing project.

[0:03:43] Voice 2: All right. No comments for Town Hall. All right. Glad to see you're all here for the

[0:03:54] Voice 2: Main Island Housing Project. Excellent. Last call for Town Hall? No? All right. Okay. Well,

[0:04:00] Voice 2: we'll move into the community information meeting, and I'll turn it to our planner,

[0:04:06] Voice 2: Mr. Chadwick to help frame the discussion and take us into what are we talking about today?

[0:04:16] Voice 2: Yes, thank you. So we have had a main island paddling project that's been going for

[0:04:24] Voice 2: a little while now. Basically we started it, we sort of put it on hold, we started in 2023,

[0:04:31] Voice 2: but then we put it on hold and moved forward with land use by-law amendments, and then

[0:04:39] Voice 2: we came back to it. So we came back to it in last year, last fall, and at that point

[0:04:48] Voice 2: in time we had an action plan that we were working on, and that action plan identified

[0:04:54] Voice 2: identified a number of actions related to goals and those are all, for those of you

[0:05:02] Voice 2: that have had a chance to have a look at the staff report, the actions are

[0:05:09] Voice 2: identified under

[0:05:10] Voice 2: each goals. Goals being updating information, appropriating for station's interest, diversifying

[0:05:17] Voice 2: identifying housing options is the biggest category with the most amount of actions,

[0:05:23] Voice 2: and increasing opportunities for non-profits and protecting and preserving ecosystem and

[0:05:28] Voice 2: freshwater resources.

[0:05:29] Voice 2: So those are some of the goals under that.

[0:05:31] Voice 2: There's a number of actions and all of those actions now in the staff report identify where

[0:05:43] Voice 2: they, where they are, where the draft language has been put into

[0:05:48] Voice 2: the draft OCP and land use bylaw amending bylaw. So this is your

[0:05:55] Voice 2: opportunity to comment on any and all of the proposed changes to

[0:06:04] Voice 2: the OCP and land use bylaw. One of the areas that the trustees

[0:06:11] Voice 2: season was, we're looking for some particular input on was the expansion of flex housing

[0:06:17] Voice 2: and I've got maps here, I think, to give you an idea of where, so the flex housing is the

[0:06:30] Voice 2: zoning that was introduced last year. And at the time, we decided to focus on a pilot

[0:06:40] Voice 2: area using a number of criteria. So they looked at proximity to the village, proximity, they looked

[0:06:48] Voice 2: at availability of water, sensitive ecosystem impact, etc. So that's how the initial flex housing

[0:06:58] Voice 2: area was identified. So this map shows potential expansion. So it's basically the sort of bluey

[0:07:05] Voice 2: green areas are the potential expansion and the gray area is already in the bylaw so um

[0:07:12] Voice 2: your opportunity to comment on um on that proposed that proposed expansion so i think that provides

[0:07:20] Voice 2: the overview and i'll hand it over to you chair to facilitate the discussion so is everyone clear

[0:07:29] Voice 2: on what we're presenting today.

[0:07:32] Voice 2: It's an opportunity before this draft bylaw

[0:07:35] Voice 2: goes into first reading or future consideration

[0:07:39] Voice 2: to share information with the community

[0:07:41] Voice 2: and make sure we answer all the questions

[0:07:44] Voice 2: and make sure we heard from you and got it right.

[0:07:48] Voice 2: So I'll open the floor if anybody wants to ask questions

[0:07:53] Voice 2: or make any comments.

[0:07:55] Voice 2: I see that we've got a few paper copies

[0:07:58] Voice 2: And I apologize, we didn't probably bring enough for everyone, but some of you can share

[0:08:04] Voice 1: them

[0:08:04] Voice 2: around.

[0:08:06] Voice 2: That'd be great.

[0:08:07] Voice 2: But yeah, just put up your hand and identify yourself.

[0:08:15] Voice 2: Yep.

[0:08:16] Voice 2: Right.

[0:08:16] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:08:17] Voice 3: Excuse me, Michael, I was concerned about the water

[0:08:23] Voice 2: issue, because my biggest and primary

[0:08:26] Voice 2: very concerned by this whole idea. It's the water issue per unit, and I think it was set

[0:08:30] Trustee Maude: at 3,600 meters of storage, which to me is just a nod to the fact that there may be water

[0:08:37] Trustee Maude: problems.

[0:08:39] Voice 2: I would like to actually see this change so that all water usage at the buildings

[0:08:46] Voice 2: must be collected from rainwater sources.

[0:08:50] Voice 3: Period. But no new wells dug, no sharing of

[0:08:55] Voice 3: wells they

[0:08:57] Voice 2: could bring in water off-site from off island but I think the primary concern is we're

[0:09:03] Voice 2: we're dipping into

[0:09:05] Trustee Maude: aquifers

[0:09:06] Voice 3: that we don't actually know the extent of the aquifers

[0:09:08] Voice 3: and that's going to be problematic if we allow a lot of this to go ahead.

[0:09:17] Voice 2: So was there a question in there or just a comment about what you'd like to know?

[0:09:21] Voice 2: The statement was I do think that the 3600 gallons or liters I'm not sure

[0:09:27] Voice 2: 3,000

[0:09:28] Voice 2: gallons should be increased to make sure that there is full capacity for household use over an entire year for rain season, rain season essentially,

[0:09:42] Voice 3: so that we're not tapping in at all into island aquifers.

[0:09:48] Voice 4: So

[0:09:50] Voice 3: it's a statement, not really a question.

[0:09:53] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:09:56] Voice 4: okay

[0:09:57] Voice 2: can we just clarify we have had groundwater studies done and so the area is like nobody knows

[0:10:03] Voice 2: but we have had that and that this is referring to your a principal dwelling that's already allowed

[0:10:09] Voice 2: having a well and any additional structures that are put in without to have obviously cisterns put

[0:10:16] Voice 2: in and they're obviously also of a size that is not probably going to put as much stress on the

[0:10:22] Voice 2: property as potential 5 000 square foot houses shrinking the size of the dwellings considerably

[0:10:28] Voice 2: with the assumption as they're smaller that the impact would be still be less than what current

[0:10:35] Voice 2: zoning will allow you to build with a 20 lot coverage so you kind of have to see that balance

[0:10:40] Voice 2: so we have the information of where we know water is and this isn't benefit and that we're

[0:10:45] Voice 2: but this flex area this is areas where we have some idea of what's happening with water and this

[0:10:51] Voice 2: is not where their water districts are so well yes there's lots of unknown about what's under

[0:10:56] Voice 2: the ground it is working within a framework where they have some concept of what is and isn't

[0:11:03] Voice 2: available i

[0:11:04] Voice 3: could just follow up on that the the

[0:11:07] Trustee Maude: issue of knowing what you have right now at this

[0:11:09] Trustee Maude: moment yeah maybe true

[0:11:11] Voice 2: i don't know if i would believe idealized studies because they are so

[0:11:15] Voice 2: weird and so actually you

[0:11:17] Voice 5: can't actually you

[0:11:18] Voice 2: can't see

[0:11:18] Voice 3: these things a lot of interpretation

[0:11:20] Voice 3: but that may be true today it may not be true but we're seeing huge shifts in water patterns around

[0:11:27] Voice 3: the island um areas that formerly had lots of water are now

[0:11:31] Voice 2: growing up they're seeing salt

[0:11:32] Voice 2: infusion into wells uh we're seeing for instance the japanese memorial garden we're seeing water

[0:11:37] Voice 2: which normally ran into the garden until

[0:11:40] Trustee Maude: august early august has now stopped beginning may

[0:11:43] Trustee Maude: in May. That's a huge change of water. That was a massive flow of water that stopped.

[0:11:49] Trustee Maude: 1,000 gallons a day didn't dry up. So there's these shifts that we don't know about. And

[0:11:55] Trustee Maude: I don't think we can plan today and say it's okay. But five years, 10 years down the road

[0:12:00] Trustee Maude: when these things are actually getting rolling, people are starting to build and things are

[0:12:03] Trustee Maude: developing, we may see a huge change. We have no way of stopping it then. But the easy solution

[0:12:09] Trustee Maude: is to say, all new development must collect

[0:12:13] Voice 3: rainwater for the use of that bill, period.

[0:12:17] Voice 2: I do see that in our, so isn't that requirement been added in the LUB for requiring freshwater

[0:12:26] Voice 2: systems for all new bills? For all new bills, yeah, there is an requirement

[0:12:30] Voice 2: that that is the exclusive use, that that's the exclusive source of water is not a requirement

[0:12:39] Voice 2: it and I think that and again I'm not a hydrogeologist myself but I think that and so when I say

[0:12:46] Voice 2: so I'm not can't be speaking on behalf of our hydrogeologists but from what I understand

[0:12:52] Voice 2: there is hesitant there's some hesitancy with respect to that because water is unpredictable

[0:12:58] Voice 2: and so to require rainwater exclusively is potentially challenging as well because we don't know

[0:13:09] Voice 2: in the future the rainwater is going to be shifting too and so that's also going to impact

[0:13:14] Voice 2: the groundwater and so your your points are absolutely valid we don't know what's going

[0:13:19] Voice 2: to be happening into the future and i think one perspective that i think is important to keep in

[0:13:23] Voice 2: mind is that um the zoning allows for the flexibility whether it'll be taken up is it

[0:13:30] Voice 2: doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to see a flood of things being built and that that i think

[0:13:36] Voice 2: um the secondary seat with secondary suite permissions were put in place i think ever

[0:13:40] Voice 2: since then and i think you can probably attest there's just been a couple or one since then

[0:13:45] Voice 2: that was well

[0:13:46] Voice 2: before my time which and i've been working here for six years so this is only

[0:13:49] Voice 2: allowing the opportunity for those that have the means to be able to do it it provides that

[0:13:54] Voice 2: opportunity and if there is a flood on things there there is always going to be the opportunity

[0:14:01] Voice 2: in to revisit these questions and even like remove that that zoning i i know it's always

[0:14:08] Voice 2: questionable but we never know how things change the

[0:14:12] Voice 3: only thing i'm concerned about is i do

[0:14:13] Voice 3: recognize the fact that you put into these uh three

[0:14:16] Trustee Maude: thousand gallons on site which is for some

[0:14:20] Trustee Maude: households that would be one month use at this time of year others might get two months out of

[0:14:24] Trustee Maude: that i'm right now we're monitored where i am we're about 1200 gallons a month for two people

[0:14:32] Voice 2: and that certainly won't get us through the summer or through

[0:14:35] Voice 2: the dry period so if it if there's any

[0:14:37] Voice 2: way of increasing that number to make it more substantial so you can get through the dry period

[0:14:42] Voice 2: and then rains start to come and aquifers build up again over the lag but um there is

[0:14:49] Voice 2: it wouldn't be as much of a an impact on existing systems if that number was increased and it was a

[0:14:56] Voice 2: you are forced to store water.

[0:14:59] Voice 2: Quite frankly, it's cheaper to store water in Slaven than to drill it up.

[0:15:04] Voice 2: You're talking thousands of dollars difference.

[0:15:06] Voice 2: So if I was building today here,

[0:15:09] Trustee Maude: I think I'd be putting in all the storage.

[0:15:11] Trustee Maude: You know, 20,000 gallons of storage

[0:15:13] Voice 3: is cheaper than drilling it up.

[0:15:14] Voice 3: The tricky

[0:15:15] Voice 2: thing, I'll weigh in with my perspective from Gabriola,

[0:15:20] Voice 2: which we have encouraged a lot of rainwater harvesting in cisterns,

[0:15:25] Voice 2: is you can get into like you just lightly touched on trucking on water but that is a very large

[0:15:32] Voice 2: implication of if you don't have enough storage as you've said and then you're in the dry months

[0:15:39] Voice 2: and then you're suddenly trucking in water it's kind of eliminating that you know ecosystem

[0:15:47] Voice 2: benefit. You

[0:15:48] Voice 3: hire an engineer to do the studies like you hire an engineer to do your groundwater

[0:15:52] Voice 3: lot of

[0:15:52] Voice 2: studies to hire an engineer to do a study of how much water you'll actually need

[0:15:56] Voice 5: there

[0:15:56] Voice 2: are people here on this island who are currently off the water grid and they they run

[0:16:03] Voice 3: totally on yep on rainwater

[0:16:06] Voice 2: totally possible successful 100 so

[0:16:09] Voice 3: it's

[0:16:11] Voice 3: yeah yeah

[0:16:12] Voice 3: it's just i'm very concerned that

[0:16:14] Trustee Maude: any additional housing stock may put additional

[0:16:18] Trustee Maude: strain on existing infrastructure infrastructure in this case is ground source water and what will

[0:16:24] Trustee Maude: happen if we have new

[0:16:26] Voice 3: stuff happening in this area and then we're drawing down here and then

[0:16:30] Voice 3: existing residences don't have enough water because you've drawn down and suddenly water

[0:16:34] Voice 3: tables have changed um it's a huge concern it's huge there's

[0:16:40] Voice 2: parts of the island right now that

[0:16:41] Voice 2: are tracking water

[0:16:41] Voice 3: and that's scary are

[0:16:44] Voice 6: we not predominantly

[0:16:46] Voice 2: looking at places that you've

[0:16:47] Voice 2: already considered that do you have enough water as well i think so yeah i think it's it's you know

[0:16:54] Voice 2: part of this is about affordability and accessibility in my mind what this is about

[0:17:00] Voice 2: is existing properties that primarily i think almost all already have a primary residence on

[0:17:06] Voice 2: them this is not properties that are undeveloped they already have a house and well this is going

[0:17:11] Voice 2: to allow them to have a small cottage or secondary suite on the same property so the other issue here

[0:17:18] Voice 2: is the likelihood is this is going to be mums or the kids or whatever these are going to be

[0:17:22] Voice 2: family units to provide somewhat affordable housing so the more barriers we put as we all

[0:17:28] Voice 2: know housing is ridiculously expensive the more

[0:17:31] Voice 2: barriers we put in place for this housing is going

[0:17:35] Voice 2: to make it more challenging whether we pick 20 000 gallons or 5 000 gallons or whatever there's

[0:17:41] Voice 2: always going to be that unknown about how much water we're going to have but as Theresa said

[0:17:45] Voice 2: the reality is if we got a huge uptake and water was becoming more and more of a concern

[0:17:50] Voice 2: then we would be paring back on the amount of density that was allowed in any area but right

[0:17:56] Voice 2: down kind of knowing the area like on personal level and knowing what's where and looking at

[0:18:02] Voice 2: the reports we've had from hydrologists I don't don't see any like what we do know is Village Bay

[0:18:09] Voice 2: Bay Road, Salish Grove, you know, we've been told that could supply a heck of a lot of

[0:18:14] Voice 2: the amount of water that's in that area. So we know that there are some very water-rich

[0:18:18] Voice 2: areas. Why that particular spring or water has dried up at the Japanese, I don't know,

[0:18:23] Voice 2: because the demand over there hasn't really changed. I know where

[0:18:28] Voice 3: I live, the

[0:18:30] Voice 2: water just

[0:18:31] Voice 2: keeps bubbling away.

[0:18:32] Voice 2: The deer. I know this sounds silly,

[0:18:35] Voice 3: but we're

[0:18:36] Trustee Maude: actually seeing it in some of the parks.

[0:18:41] Trustee Maude: We're seeing in some of the parks that the fallow deer trails

[0:18:46] Voice 3: have shifted patterns away.

[0:18:48] Voice 3: So where people used to have water coming down through their property, the water's now

[0:18:52] Voice 3: being diverted off by trails that the deer are creating.

[0:18:56] Voice 3: So there's a shift in children there, and

[0:18:58] Voice 2: I can tell you in the Japanese Garden area,

[0:19:00] Voice 2: we're actually thinking that the deer, because they're now very prevalent on Jackie Burroughs'

[0:19:06] Voice 2: property that they're getting water coming down into their shop now they didn't used to

[0:19:10] Voice 2: and that's because we're pretty sure it because they're eating the understory

[0:19:15] Trustee Maude: the water is not

[0:19:16] Voice 2: being retained

[0:19:16] Voice 3: then

[0:19:17] Trustee Maude: they've got these deer trails going through and the water's following deer

[0:19:20] Trustee Maude: trails and shifting off

[0:19:22] Voice 2: to other locations so

[0:19:23] Voice 2: this this whole idea that there is this thing

[0:19:26] Voice 2: there that will always be there it's it can be changed by

[0:19:29] Trustee Maude: the limits of influences you don't

[0:19:30] Trustee Maude: think it appears we're able to be very effective. The reality is when it rains that's what happens.

[0:19:37] Trustee Maude: So there are these things which I'm known to that I think we're we got a bit complacent or maybe even

[0:19:43] Trustee Maude: a bit cocky saying that the engineer's full except there's a lot of water but the engineers can't

[0:19:47] Voice 3: predict all

[0:19:47] Voice 3: these little things like the deer walking past

[0:19:49] Trustee Maude: their house might affect the water

[0:19:51] Trustee Maude: over there. I think we have to be very careful and take a much broader view of that this whole

[0:19:58] Trustee Maude: the whole situation of what

[0:19:59] Voice 2: water use, water availability,

[0:20:03] Voice 2: this might be down the road, and not

[0:20:05] Voice 2: talk with someone in the apartment.

[0:20:06] Voice 3: Good point.

[0:20:09] Voice 3: Hear, hear.

[0:20:10] Voice 3: It's

[0:20:10] Voice 4: going to speak

[0:20:10] Voice 2: to all of these things.

[0:20:12] Voice 2: And that is the same, and

[0:20:14] Voice 2: not rely on the reactive attitude

[0:20:18] Voice 2: that if we are seeing something developing,

[0:20:21] Voice 2: they'll change by lots of proactive .

[0:20:31] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:20:33] Voice 2: keep sharing your your ideas and concerns so um we've 3 000 um gallons is the number because that

[0:20:42] Voice 2: was the number that was previously in the um the main bylaws with respect to to cabins

[0:20:48] Voice 2: and or secondary suites so the number was retained um in other on other others we the

[0:20:57] Voice 2: the number that we are putting in is 18,000 liters, which is 4,755 gallons.

[0:21:07] Voice 2: So if you want to have consistency across the trucks, that is an option.

[0:21:12] Voice 2: And that number was derived from doing some, I worked with a hydrogeologist,

[0:21:18] Voice 2: so it was looking at what sizes of cisterns are actually available

[0:21:22] Voice 2: level and also doing some calculations on um on uh sort of um subsistence i guess um uh water use

[0:21:32] Voice 2: through a dry period of of a couple of months so

[0:21:37] Voice 4: i

[0:21:38] Voice 2: i but i was also just on denman island and i um

[0:21:42] Voice 2: i i i i i did a site visit with with um people with a family that were that only that

[0:21:52] Voice 2: that have many barrels and they use very, very little water.

[0:21:58] Voice 2: They don't shower, they don't, you know,

[0:22:00] Voice 2: so there's different ways to use,

[0:22:01] Voice 2: they shower once a week, they, you know,

[0:22:03] Voice 2: they jump into the lake.

[0:22:04] Voice 2: Like, so there's different ways to use water too, right?

[0:22:07] Voice 2: So that calculation is based on kind of an average use

[0:22:13] Voice 2: through the islands.

[0:22:16] Voice 3: Well, and I was-

[0:22:17] Voice 3: I can tell you your numbers are way low.

[0:22:19] Voice 3: I think-

[0:22:20] Voice 3: You need 20,000 gallons.

[0:22:21] Voice 3: Yeah, yeah.

[0:22:22] Voice 2: Yeah, well, again, I mean,

[0:22:22] Voice 2: yeah, yeah, it differs from island to island, it differs from person to person, and, you know, you can't really nail it.

[0:22:32] Voice 3: Yeah, well, that's the

[0:22:32] Voice 2: thing, it's hard to come up with an absolute number, and even the number that we have come up with, of course, we're wondering if that's enough, right?

[0:22:38] Voice 2: I mean, more, collecting more water is better.

[0:22:41] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:22:42] Voice 2: Ultimately.

[0:22:44] Voice 2: Right, so considering whether the minimum cistern capacity should be increased.

[0:22:51] Voice 2: do you question and do you need a vote because i see my counter argument would be based on two

[0:22:59] Voice 2: and there's very we have families yes but very few of our households are large families so two

[0:23:05] Voice 2: people 1200 gallons a month two people four months worth is 4755 gallons so 20 000 gallons to me is

[0:23:15] Voice 2: like the maximum which some people could choose to add but we're trying to make this doable we're

[0:23:21] Voice 2: trying to actually create extra housing so that hopefully families service workers other people

[0:23:27] Voice 2: can come here who may not be able to financially afford it trying to find that middle ground to

[0:23:33] Voice 2: create housing opportunities on the island because we're going to we're going to be a build out

[0:23:38] Voice 2: and once we're a build out and there's no new houses and no new lots property values just keep

[0:23:44] Voice 2: going up so you're going to find it much harder to bring young people in service workers families

[0:23:49] Voice 2: etc so we're trying to find a middle ground so i think the 4755 gallons which is already being

[0:23:57] Voice 2: used elsewhere is reasonable that is also a figure that if the crisis does happen in the next five

[0:24:02] Voice 2: years because we know we virtually no rain in july we can change that relatively easily as far

[0:24:07] Voice 2: as i understand that these are not major issues to change we wouldn't have to go and completely

[0:24:13] Voice 2: change the whole flex but the amount of gale is if we start with a reasonable amount now

[0:24:18] Voice 2: definitely maybe in five or ten years we will have to be going back saying you know no you can't get

[0:24:24] Voice 2: that building permit even though you've already got a cottage and you're going to add the second

[0:24:28] Voice 2: or that you just can't add that second cottage so we have a lot of flexibility as a local trust

[0:24:33] Voice 2: committee once you see that happening but i drive down my road every day and watch there's a spring

[0:24:39] Voice 2: in the middle of the cement of the asphalt and so the water is bubbling away yeah certainly agree

[0:24:44] Voice 2: yes the fallow deer are going to impact water and and we may see more water loss in the winters but

[0:24:50] Voice 2: that's an issue that we need to be of course fighting with the province to red totally but

[0:24:57] Voice 2: i i can i totally agree with what you're i'm sure

[0:24:59] Voice 1: what you're saying

[0:25:00] Voice 2: certain people who live up on

[0:25:01] Voice 2: finaker would like to have your bucket of water because they're drying up yeah no and that's a dry

[0:25:08] Voice 2: area notorious area for low water they are not in our flex area that's the important part of it

[0:25:15] Voice 4: okay

[0:25:16] Voice 2: what's with you no it's okay please no yeah it's good i think what else what

[0:25:22] Voice 2: what about also water retaining systems i mean you know for instance i have a huge amount of

[0:25:29] Voice 2: water on my property um yeah i have huge amounts of water in my property i have ponds i have

[0:25:36] Voice 2: collection systems i mean the entrance to the park is flooded every every year um you know

[0:25:42] Voice 2: what about creating more reservoirs i mean there's a lot of us that do have huge amounts of water on

[0:25:48] Voice 2: our property um you know the the field on um what's the farm again strap what used to be

[0:25:56] Voice 2: strap neighbor you know

[0:25:58] Voice 4: yes yeah

[0:25:59] Voice 2: property as well i mean yeah

[0:26:02] Voice 2: and there we you know there are we do

[0:26:05] Voice 2: have lots of water in certain areas obviously which is where this is we're

[0:26:10] Voice 6: looking at something

[0:26:11] Voice 2: on the screen yeah

[0:26:13] Voice 6: right there so

[0:26:15] Voice 2: i mean you know we are all concerned

[0:26:17] Voice 8: about water and i agree 100

[0:26:19] Voice 8: but then we aren't actually implementing any water catchment systems we're not creating any any

[0:26:26] Voice 8: different sources of collecting the water, which I

[0:26:31] Voice 2: think is also rather important. So, you know, there are some of us that do have excessive amount of water. I mean, you know,

[0:26:38] Voice 2: let's build collection systems. Let's do that. Let's allow for it.

[0:26:45] Voice 2: and I think that's also really important and and again your map does outline the areas that do have

[0:26:53] Voice 2: the water and I think I think it's really important that we do allow a lot of these

[0:27:00] Voice 2: families to be able to come to our island and afford housing because we're not going to have

[0:27:06] Voice 2: any infrastructure in our in our community unless we get new people here unless we get families that

[0:27:12] Voice 2: can stay here um yeah it's all fine and dandy for all of us who are retired or not retired and you

[0:27:18] Voice 2: know we have this period of time but we have to really look at creating the infrastructure for

[0:27:23] Voice 2: new people to come and arrive and live here you know affordably thank

[0:27:32] Voice 3: you that's great

[0:27:35] Voice 2: yeah i'm just wondering like it sounds to me like these are secondary suites these are small

[0:27:39] Voice 2: units is that right like do we know what the maximum capacity of these units are we're also

[0:27:45] Voice 2: talking about families so if you have a four let's say normal family these days on parents

[0:27:50] Voice 2: let's pretend it's two adults and two children are these places big enough for that many people

[0:27:56] Voice 2: um it sounds like everything's small and yet we're talking about

[0:28:02] Voice 2: groups of people that might exceed those those spaces and also then they would be using a lot

[0:28:08] Voice 2: more utilities so i i kind of wonder like i know you want to keep this i don't know it just sounds

[0:28:16] Voice 2: like you're asking the demand is going to be big but the supply is going to be small

[0:28:20] Voice 2: and it makes sense

[0:28:22] Voice 2: all of the units are based on a certain amount of square footage

[0:28:27] Voice 2: depending on the i understand that yeah

[0:28:29] Voice 2: your secondary suite i think is a maximum of a thousand

[0:28:32] Voice 2: square feet um a lot

[0:28:34] Voice 2: for four people sorry well

[0:28:36] Voice 2: that's it's not really intended for four people

[0:28:39] Voice 2: to move in there if you if you have a piece of property in the flex area you already have

[0:28:43] Voice 2: a single family home then based on how much square footage that home already is or that you're going

[0:28:49] Voice 2: to build then that dictates the size of the other units because at some point no you don't want to

[0:28:55] Voice 2: be accommodating 20 people on one piece of property but it's quite a complex formula that you have to

[0:29:01] Voice 2: go through i can give you an instance sure so the proposed um in the miners bay rural comprehensive

[0:29:08] Voice 2: zone on lots having better three acres or greater but not exceeding five

[0:29:16] Voice 2: hectares three dwellings in a cottage are permitted if the total combined

[0:29:22] Voice 2: floor area of all dwellings and cottages does not exceed 436 meter squared which

[0:29:29] Voice 2: is almost 5,000 square feet so it's a total combined so what what can each

[0:29:37] Voice 2: building and then within that there's definition what I'm saying but I'm just wondering like for

[0:29:44] Voice 2: example you could have a 3,000 a 3,000 square foot home and then two 500 I mean in this case

[0:29:52] Voice 2: three 500 square foot homes are smaller like you

[0:29:55] Voice 2: know yeah okay and it it leaves the choice

[0:30:00] Voice 2: the land owner so the landowner obviously they're thinking about do i want just a small cottage for

[0:30:05] Voice 2: a single person or do i want just to have two dwellings of one with 2500 that works but it's

[0:30:12] Voice 2: up to the land owner to balance how much actual and that's fine but he have they have guidance

[0:30:19] Voice 2: what you're just talking about that when you're talking to me about 500 square feet for a family

[0:30:26] Voice 2: of four we're not saying a family of four but you're talking about families but we're talking

[0:30:31] Voice 2: about fam and service workers right so some of this will enable if i'm a new family and i'm

[0:30:37] Voice 2: looking for some place to go and i have an acre on main island and i could build a thousand square

[0:30:42] Voice 2: foot house and of course of course more houses were 800 square feet and probably house six or

[0:30:46] Voice 2: eight people then

[0:30:47] Voice 2: i can build that thousand well this is what's happened is we build houses way

[0:30:52] Voice 2: way too big, way too big.

[0:30:53] Voice 2: So we build that house to what suits us

[0:30:56] Voice 2: with our family of four, maybe five.

[0:30:59] Voice 2: And then we can still build a small cottage for grandma

[0:31:02] Voice 2: and we could build a small cottage rent.

[0:31:04] Voice 2: It gives that landowner some flexibility

[0:31:08] Voice 2: to enable rentals or family use

[0:31:12] Voice 2: within that same piece of property.

[0:31:14] Voice 2: But overall, you're building a lot less structure

[0:31:18] Voice 2: on that property than the current zoning allows.

[0:31:21] Voice 2: Because right now you can cover up to 20% of your property.

[0:31:24] Voice 2: This reduces the total lot coverage.

[0:31:27] Voice 2: So you're actually gaining more environmental benefits by building smaller.

[0:31:33] Voice 2: I have no problems with size.

[0:31:36] Voice 2: And in terms of what people can or can't live in,

[0:31:39] Voice 2: I suspect a lot of urban people now living in apartments,

[0:31:43] Voice 2: even with families, are living in pretty small units now.

[0:31:47] Voice 1: They are shrinking.

[0:31:48] Voice 2: So, yeah, they're also not buying that so so I think the planner has a comment here and then we'll go back to folks. Yeah, so as we know, housing is a challenge across everywhere.

[0:32:00] Voice 2: And so one of the trends that I've been seeing is that you have mom and dad own a home, kids have grown up, they can't afford to move off the island.

[0:32:09] Voice 2: um they don't want to be living together in their childhood home um bedrooms and so what's happening

[0:32:16] Voice 2: is um they are finding a bus or something and living in it um and it's not legally cited so

[0:32:23] Voice 2: this is providing that opportunity for them and also we've also got the aging parents in here too

[0:32:28] Voice 2: so i know a family scenario where um uh you know the the elderly mother is is moving here you know

[0:32:36] Voice 2: as they get old and they've got the they've got the younger kids and so um this is an opportunity

[0:32:40] Voice 2: for for each of those to have their own their own home and not all have to be living together and

[0:32:45] Voice 2: then um um also you know one of the the conversations um i was just on denman this

[0:32:50] Voice 2: weekend is also around um there are some aging couples that don't have kids but they are aging

[0:32:58] Voice 2: on large properties and they would like to have some help and so they would like they don't need

[0:33:02] Voice 2: the the larger house that they they had before right they'd like a smaller unit they could move

[0:33:06] Voice 2: into and then their home to a family so but those are the kind of scenarios that's

[0:33:10] Voice 2: fine that we're

[0:33:11] Voice 2: trying to support i

[0:33:13] Voice 3: think that's the

[0:33:13] Voice 2: stability yeah great um yeah let's go to first other first

[0:33:20] Voice 2: time speakers unless no yeah can i just ask a big question what areas are we talking about it's not

[0:33:30] Voice 2: It's not clear on this map, so the by-law is going to be, go through this reading, is it around two kilometers, three kilometers, like, is it this whole?

[0:33:41] Voice 2: So the gray areas are what's currently in the by-law in terms of flex housing.

[0:33:46] Voice 2: Right.

[0:33:46] Voice 2: And the colored areas are the areas that are being considered for expansion.

[0:33:52] Voice 2: Is it kind of a phase thing? Like, why are we doing this?

[0:33:55] Voice 2: Yes. So originally it was a pilot. It was introduced as a pilot and the trustees have

[0:34:02] Voice 2: are considering expanding it, expanding that, expanding the area.

[0:34:08] Voice 6: So this be bylaw?

[0:34:09] Voice 6: Well, this kind of

[0:34:11] Voice 2: should all be bylaw.

[0:34:13] Voice 2: Not everything.

[0:34:14] Voice 2: No, only the blue.

[0:34:15] Voice 2: Only

[0:34:16] Voice 6: the blue.

[0:34:17] Voice 2: Just the blue.

[0:34:18] Voice 2: Only the blue.

[0:34:19] Voice 2: Yeah. And the circles just indicate the circumference or the distance from amenities

[0:34:24] Voice 2: Because that was a key consideration is how close is it to existing amenities.

[0:34:30] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:34:34] Voice 2: I

[0:34:34] Voice 3: have a question.

[0:34:36] Voice 3: So it looks like there is other

[0:34:40] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:34:45] Voice 2: just a little bit.

[0:34:47] Voice 3: Other

[0:34:48] Voice 3: So why did we not

[0:34:51] Voice 2: consider other areas, other village areas?

[0:35:00] Voice 3: A

[0:35:01] Voice 2: lot of it is it's based around where the services are it's based around the school the

[0:35:07] Voice 2: health center your basic grocery stores so if you're going to have population growth you want

[0:35:13] Voice 2: to make it hopefully more walkable reduce travel so the other issue that we have where we haven't

[0:35:19] Voice 2: put it it's the water districts as we all know Village Bay Water District is having a huge

[0:35:25] Voice 2: struggle with water so for us to put any kind of you know it's already a very over developed area

[0:35:33] Voice 2: as has been at bay you can just see from the map that that was all done long before the trust came

[0:35:38] Voice 2: along that the heavy heavy development occurred in certain pockets around the island so at this

[0:35:43] Voice 2: point we haven't looked at increasing density in those areas especially putting pressure on

[0:35:48] Voice 2: water districts all water districts and that's where the water comes from where all those small

[0:35:53] Voice 2: lots are there on the water district we have about 12 i think in total so miners bay felix jack road

[0:36:00] Voice 2: um some of this is where the salish road um program is going to happen i'll feel this way

[0:36:07] Voice 2: we know that there's quite a bit of water in those areas at this point in time um so that's some of

[0:36:13] Voice 2: the information and these lots are relatively decent sized to take a quarter of an acre lot

[0:36:19] Voice 2: lot and try to increase density on it we don't think we'd be very popular if we did that so

[0:36:25] Voice 2: that's the other downside so a lot of the language in here talks about one two three you know what

[0:36:31] Voice 2: we would consider reasonable size property so that's we haven't had any you know if there's

[0:36:36] Voice 2: if the community wants to come and ask to have increased density in the water district areas well

[0:36:41] Voice 2: we'll see how how that goes but we didn't put secondary suites in any of the water districts

[0:36:47] Voice 2: either because there was a huge pushback from the operators of those systems. So at this point, that's why.

[0:36:55] Voice 2: Yeah,

[0:36:55] Voice 3: that's right. That's the

[0:36:57] Voice 3: answer.

[0:36:58] Voice 3: Yeah, we just discussed here the ability of the water

[0:37:04] Voice 2: container systems.

[0:37:08] Voice 5: That

[0:37:09] Voice 2: means it wouldn't affect the existing water district, their water consumption.

[0:37:13] Voice 2: We could not be changed, because those extra units would be

[0:37:16] Trustee Maude: going to get in the water from

[0:37:18] Trustee Maude: their homes.

[0:37:19] Trustee Maude: And that means it's a second

[0:37:21] Voice 3: or tenth city.

[0:37:23] Voice 3: So I live in the village, but I know

[0:37:25] Voice 2: there's a lot of, I wouldn't say vacant lots, but

[0:37:29] Voice 2: some like a minor fraction of weekenders.

[0:37:32] Voice 2: But most of the houses,

[0:37:33] Trustee Maude: we have quite a few people who live there for themselves.

[0:37:46] Trustee Maude: I guess

[0:37:47] Voice 2: the key thing to keep in mind here is we've been doing a very slow program.

[0:37:55] Voice 2: We started with a trial area, which so far I don't think we've had any uptake in, and

[0:38:00] Voice 2: we are expanding this area.

[0:38:01] Voice 2: But just to say that someday down the road, eventually all of the island would go to flex

[0:38:07] Voice 2: housing.

[0:38:08] Voice 2: But this is a rural area with lots of issues and every step we take is slow and steady.

[0:38:16] Voice 2: The problem in your area where you are is we can't just give you that flex zoning individually.

[0:38:24] Voice 2: Obviously, we put a circle and we expand into all the properties there.

[0:38:28] Voice 2: there. So while you might put in a water storage system for

[0:38:32] Voice 2: whatever you want to build to increase your density, you're

[0:38:36] Voice 2: still I suspect going to get significant if not humongous

[0:38:40] Voice 2: amount of pushback from the village point improvement

[0:38:43] Voice 2: district and most of the landowners in your area. But

[0:38:46] Voice 2: another option is a temporary use permit, which is probably

[0:38:51] Voice 2: the simplest, fastest way to go. Otherwise, at this point, you

[0:38:57] Voice 4: You know, it's taken

[0:38:57] Voice 2: us years to slowly get to where the housing options was originally

[0:39:02] Voice 2: looked at in 2013, so we don't move quickly, and development is very, very difficult.

[0:39:09] Voice 2: Yes, we definitely have a problem with what we do as developers, but the, so I was talking

[0:39:16] Voice 2: to one of our board members, and they revealed the fact that the leaks, that's what they're

[0:39:25] Voice 2: fighting with it. It happens like majority of the leaks. It's not on the main pipelines,

[0:39:28] Voice 2: it's somewhere in the residential pipe.

[0:39:30] Trustee Maude: People are using these incorrect piping,

[0:39:32] Trustee Maude: which is what the irrigation wants, they're fragile, they stuck them down on the ground

[0:39:37] Trustee Maude: like three years down the road. We want to create some leaks. And we'll help you with your ideas.

[0:39:44] Trustee Maude: Essentially, it's that problem that we could tackle. Let's say the residential lines will

[0:39:50] Trustee Maude: be replaced, probably the expense of the residents themselves.

[0:39:54] Trustee Maude: My response

[0:39:57] Voice 2: is when this trial area is finished and done, and

[0:40:00] Voice 2: this bylaws passed, if there's actually a huge interest in

[0:40:04] Voice 2: village point area, village bay, that that community come to us

[0:40:09] Voice 2: and request that we continue to expand this area. That's easy as

[0:40:15] Voice 3: that but right

[0:40:15] Voice 2: now we are slowly moving forward and and uh to see you know as to see how it works

[0:40:22] Voice 2: if it does work and

[0:40:24] Voice 4: if there's an appetite

[0:40:25] Voice 2: for it yeah the appetite because as we said with

[0:40:28] Voice 2: secondary suites you know we're doing what we can but it doesn't mean there's going to be an uptake

[0:40:32] Voice 4: because

[0:40:33] Voice 2: the cost of construction and the barriers for septic and proof of water are huge huge so

[0:40:41] Voice 2: none of this is a quick system but it does allow certain people who may be in a position to have

[0:40:48] Voice 2: that structures built or tiny homes brought in or whatever so that's my answer

[0:40:56] Voice 2: yes in the back there's

[0:40:57] Voice 3: the project moves forward um with all the different water

[0:41:03] Voice 3: organizations on the island how how do you solicit input from those different fields

[0:41:11] Voice 3: into this initiative or are you already working with them i

[0:41:16] Voice 2: i'm going to answer because when we

[0:41:18] Voice 2: did the secondary suites and that's a long time ago and on a map you can see where you're allowed

[0:41:23] Voice 2: to have a secondary suite and it's everywhere but water districts and we brought in the planner of

[0:41:28] Voice 2: the day the trust committee of the day we held meeting here invited all purveyors of water all

[0:41:34] Voice 2: the water districts to come to the meeting and there was complete pushback to have any expansion

[0:41:41] Voice 2: of any sort within those districts so if we wanted to do it again which especially for secondary

[0:41:47] Voice 2: suites we probably will at some point there again we would be bringing those people the people

[0:41:52] Voice 2: actually involved on the day-to-day basis in their water district. So that's

[0:41:57] Voice 2: that's what we've done. I don't know I think in some cases you know there may

[0:42:02] Voice 2: be interest but right now I doubt it.

[0:42:09] Voice 3: Just following up on this gentleman's earlier comments, talking about the volumes of the water that could be used by site.

[0:42:22] Voice 3: um i know that the numbers that would be mentioned are very different than the numbers that

[0:42:29] Voice 3: i'm familiar with where i live and then the allowable leaders give out

[0:42:34] Voice 2: the gallons and so

[0:42:35] Voice 2: you've got situations then where you'll have one area uh accustomed to certain limits

[0:42:42] Voice 2: underwater usage and others that will be very different so as you move forward

[0:42:49] Voice 2: within that model, there's got to be some kind of homogenization of what those expectations

[0:42:56] Voice 2: of usage are going to be. And the reason I'm thinking about that is you're talking also

[0:43:03] Voice 2: about density,

[0:43:05] Voice 1: you know, population density. And at some point, it has to be about more

[0:43:14] Voice 1: than just pore space it has to link water usage with the number of bodies

[0:43:24] Voice 3: and that raises the question of things like caps how many bodies are

[0:43:29] Voice 2: allowed at that unit

[0:43:31] Voice 2: how many bodies are of this unit that's a conversation that you know has to come

[0:43:36] Voice 2: along in the future but you can't just talk about 20 000 gallons of water for this unit

[0:43:43] Voice 2: and not be talking about the

[0:43:45] Voice 3: number of increased density that you're referring to.

[0:43:50] Voice 1: So I'm just sort of looking at those as items to be watching.

[0:43:56] Voice 2: Yeah, good point.

[0:43:58] Voice 2: Very good.

[0:43:59] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:44:01] Voice 2: I don't live here, but I come here often.

[0:44:03] Voice 2: Could people please identify themselves, maybe say where they live,

[0:44:07] Voice 2: so I can get some of my neighbors right at the beginning.

[0:44:12] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:44:13] Voice 2: Yeah, sure. And back to you, Michael, you've been very patient. Thank you.

[0:44:19] Voice 2: My question was just, you mentioned some of these could be used at a rental.

[0:44:24] Voice 2: How do we prevent this from becoming Airbnb or other short-term rentals?

[0:44:28] Voice 2: And I am back to that because it

[0:44:30] Voice 3: negates the whole purpose of what you're doing here.

[0:44:34] Voice 3: It's in the bylaw.

[0:44:36] Voice 3: Can you just explain to the group how that will be prevented?

[0:44:39] Voice 3: yeah

[0:44:41] Voice 2: so it's it's it's prohibited in the by the bylaw prohibits vacation rental

[0:44:46] Voice 2: and uh and and so from time so when it becomes a priority for the lpc um they can um they can

[0:44:56] Voice 2: request that bylaw um do a scan of what's what's out there or periodically that happens just to see

[0:45:04] Voice 2: which ones are are operating illegally and then they are issued tickets and

[0:45:11] Voice 2: that's quite a rigorous process I understand what you're saying that that

[0:45:19] Voice 2: only applies to those who use well-known commercial systems like Airbnb there are

[0:45:24] Voice 2: other properties on islands who are privately rentals without any they're

[0:45:29] Voice 2: just word of mouth things get out people know about them you're not going to pick

[0:45:34] Voice 2: that up on a scan of commercial systems. Is there any way of putting a covenant onto these

[0:45:41] Voice 2: development properties that would say, if at any point this runs as a short-term B&B,

[0:45:48] Voice 2: we will rescind your access to

[0:45:52] Voice 3: this? Well, think about it. There has to be a bigger hammer

[0:46:01] Voice 3: for these things, because there's lots of ways of skirting around the issue. But if

[0:46:04] Voice 3: you find this zoning is specific to

[0:46:08] Voice 2: what you want to do, and that's for

[0:46:10] Voice 2: affordable housing, then

[0:46:12] Trustee Maude: make the big slap in the wrist big enough that it

[0:46:16] Trustee Maude: will protect you. And maybe that's a fact of rescinding the building permit that was

[0:46:21] Trustee Maude: put in place. And if the building permit does get rescinded, then you have to reapply for it

[0:46:26] Trustee Maude: and prove that that you're not doing what you're doing um right now i don't feel that we have a big

[0:46:33] Trustee Maude: enough control of this and we're and as mentioned earlier it's always reactive you're always playing

[0:46:38] Trustee Maude: catch up just write it into the bio in the first place saying do this wrong this is what the what's

[0:46:44] Trustee Maude: going to happen and you're ready what's the consequence

[0:46:47] Voice 3: of your actions yeah the challenge

[0:46:49] Voice 2: there is that um it's that that would that would that would be so take some resources that don't

[0:46:55] Voice 2: currently exist, and that would fall to the CRD as well. So it becomes...

[0:47:02] Voice 2: Right,

[0:47:02] Trustee Maude: you'd be surprised how much these... I read codes every day practically,

[0:47:07] Trustee Maude: coding codes and other kind of things, and you'd be surprised to... you'll look at this thing and

[0:47:12] Trustee Maude: think, oh shit, I can't do that. That's the thing that stops you right there. It's written down on

[0:47:17] Trustee Maude: a piece of paper. You don't go beyond that. Very

[0:47:20] Trustee Maude: few people would actually read something like

[0:47:22] Trustee Maude: I think that the thing also if we're going to go down the rabbit hole of short-term vacation rentals

[0:47:32] Trustee Maude: is the new provincial legislation is pretty serious

[0:47:35] Voice 3: like

[0:47:36] Trustee Maude: I think it's like

[0:47:37] Trustee Maude: I think it's

[0:47:37] Trustee Maude: $60,000 fines yes it's

[0:47:40] Trustee Maude: pretty so you you like you have to register so if if your neighbor is doing

[0:47:44] Trustee Maude: an Airbnb and you report them to the province there is a huge heavy hammer like our hammer

[0:47:50] Trustee Maude: is pretty light but the new provincial legislation is very very serious so um i i think there is that

[0:47:59] Trustee Maude: protection yeah it's out like a year yeah

[0:48:03] Trustee Maude: yeah but

[0:48:05] Voice 2: but like that that is a huge concern because

[0:48:09] Voice 2: it's even the fact that you know a secondary suite gets built like a lethal effects very sweet

[0:48:14] Voice 2: my knowledge that's the only one we've ever had built on the um and immediately becomes

[0:48:19] Voice 2: comes in a B&B, which is a legal home occupation.

[0:48:23] Voice 2: So, you know, this is a dilemma.

[0:48:25] Voice 2: So somebody has a property and they get to build, you know,

[0:48:29] Voice 2: three cottages and a house, and next thing you know,

[0:48:32] Voice 2: it's all the family and friends are in there.

[0:48:34] Voice 2: It's not perfect.

[0:48:35] Voice 2: I mean, we cannot force people to rent long-term.

[0:48:38] Voice 2: We can't force people to charge reasonable rents for housing.

[0:48:43] Voice 2: There's a lot of things we can't do.

[0:48:44] Voice 2: We're not a municipality.

[0:48:45] Voice 2: municipality um but on the other hand if we don't allow people to do anything and go back to what i

[0:48:50] Voice 2: said ages ago if we don't allow any kind of opportunity to increase our housing supply on

[0:48:55] Voice 2: main island because we are getting to build out we are going to be in trouble maybe not for another

[0:49:01] Voice 2: 10 years but if you look at if we don't have the figures here today of how many empty lots we have

[0:49:06] Voice 2: not very many so we are getting to the crunch now where there will be no empty lots and no bottom

[0:49:13] Voice 2: demand for people to come in and maybe park a tiny home and live on that property so this is a way of

[0:49:19] Voice 2: planning for the future trying to anticipate what may or may not happen and certainly you know what

[0:49:25] Voice 2: i think what dave said fortunately the province is really on board with the fact that stbrs

[0:49:31] Voice 2: are and even the generosity of what we have for the airbnbs which is a room in a house technically

[0:49:39] Voice 2: in the future we're probably going to have to be looking at not being so generous in some of some

[0:49:45] Voice 2: of the opportunities we've allowed people to work from their homes because it is going to be taking

[0:49:50] Voice 2: away from housing stock that we need and and that also

[0:49:55] Voice 2: goes back to personal responsibility

[0:49:56] Voice 2: and people coming here understanding that flex housing is not about you making much money off

[0:50:02] Voice 2: your puts about the responsibility of you as a landowner now you have the opportunity to provide

[0:50:08] Voice 2: for maybe a family member, maybe a tenant.

[0:50:11] Voice 2: As I say, I've been a landlord since 1972,

[0:50:15] Voice 4: three?

[0:50:16] Voice 4: Yeah, no,

[0:50:16] Voice 2: two, three.

[0:50:18] Voice 2: So I've done it all and it's not much fun sometimes,

[0:50:21] Voice 2: but I've never left anything sitting empty either.

[0:50:26] Voice 2: So we can only do what we can do,

[0:50:28] Voice 2: but good point written down.

[0:50:30] Voice 2: Those are things that legally we'll see

[0:50:33] Voice 2: if there's any tools out there

[0:50:35] Voice 2: and we can lobby the province to give us a chance.

[0:50:38] Voice 2: Same with the water.

[0:50:39] Voice 2: I mean, that's another one that we can look at what options we have for water.

[0:50:44] Voice 3: I asked another broad question.

[0:50:47] Voice 2: I

[0:50:48] Voice 3: had a broad question about how does increasing the housing stock,

[0:50:55] Voice 3: as you're talking about increasing it here,

[0:50:57] Voice 3: fit in with the Islands Trust and Urban Protection Act?

[0:51:01] Voice 2: Because having been here before the trust came,

[0:51:04] Voice 2: the trust was never about throwing out people and just having an environment it was about that

[0:51:09] Voice 2: balance so what i argued for a long time ago in which planner chadwick took was the concept that

[0:51:16] Voice 2: we're shrinking the built footprint so i can come in and i can build you know this humongous big

[0:51:21] Voice 2: house because 20 which doesn't sound like much is a huge house on a piece property now instead

[0:51:27] Voice 2: of building a humongous house i can be through the environmentally friendly thing by shrinking

[0:51:31] Voice 2: that house down and having half the density on that piece of property so we

[0:51:36] Voice 2: talked a lot about big overbuilt houses which Maine doesn't actually have a lot

[0:51:40] Voice 2: of but other islands do so that and to me is the way I personally am balancing

[0:51:45] Voice 2: the environmental needs of my community with the reality that people have lived

[0:51:50] Voice 2: here since time immemorial and they have

[0:51:52] Voice 2: an impact on the land but this is a way

[0:51:54] Voice 2: of shrinking that impact reducing it and still allowing people to be part and the

[0:51:59] Voice 2: The island's trust is about people and land.

[0:52:02] Voice 2: It's not about, we're not, we're not, what was that quote?

[0:52:08] Trustee Maude: I'm going to read my quote.

[0:52:09] Voice 2: Oh, you've got it.

[0:52:10] Voice 2: So

[0:52:11] Trustee Maude: 1975, the first trust policy statement.

[0:52:15] Trustee Maude: So that was preserve and protect mandate.

[0:52:17] Trustee Maude: That's our, the founding quote unquote fathers of the island's trust.

[0:52:21] Trustee Maude: It concludes with recognition that the islands are first of all,

[0:52:26] Trustee Maude: an existing community of people and the welfare of those people and

[0:52:29] Trustee Maude: and those who join them and come after them

[0:52:31] Trustee Maude: must always be a primary concern of the trust.

[0:52:33] Trustee Maude: So when the founders of the trust founded the trust,

[0:52:38] Trustee Maude: it wasn't about the overreaching environmental concerns.

[0:52:42] Trustee Maude: It was about the community.

[0:52:43] Trustee Maude: It was about preserving what the islands were.

[0:52:49] Trustee Maude: So the islands were a community of people

[0:52:51] Trustee Maude: and very, very environmentally aware people,

[0:52:55] Trustee Maude: but it wasn't,

[0:52:57] Trustee Maude: let's kick everybody out and preserve this place it was about preserving the communities

[0:53:02] Trustee Maude: so that so when you ask about how does this fit into the to the preserve and protect mandate

[0:53:08] Trustee Maude: that is for preserving communities because right now there are so many people who are having to

[0:53:14] Trustee Maude: leave like denman island like one of our finest trustees is is cannot find housing

[0:53:22] Trustee Maude: I'm not

[0:53:23] Trustee Maude: naming an individual, but I was saying this, that we have somebody who's

[0:53:28] Trustee Maude: looking at having to leave an island because there's no housing available. And we see this

[0:53:34] Trustee Maude: on our island with so many wonderful young people that grow up on these islands who leave because

[0:53:41] Trustee Maude: there isn't a place for them. So I think that I solidly embrace something like this as opening

[0:53:49] Trustee Maude: any opportunities is that yeah they're not managed mansions like yes we're talking about six eight

[0:53:55] Trustee Maude: hundred square foot which you know people can't live it like my parents post-war house in sydney

[0:54:03] Trustee Maude: 600 square feet three mom dad and three kids and they did and and it worked and and we certainly

[0:54:11] Trustee Maude: have people on the on the on the island right now living in tiny homes that are like 200 square feet

[0:54:17] Trustee Maude: I couldn't do it. But, you know, just because it doesn't work for me or you doesn't mean it

[0:54:25] Trustee Maude: doesn't work for somebody else. And especially in the context, you look how many people living

[0:54:29] Trustee Maude: on the island right now in RVs. And, you know, we're trying to give them a leg up to actually

[0:54:35] Trustee Maude: living in safe, secure, proper housing. Because, you know, I look at the living conditions of some

[0:54:43] Trustee Maude: people in this island it's unbelievable and you know so this this is what this is the vision we're

[0:54:50] Trustee Maude: bringing forward is that we're trying to do the very best we can for the community which again

[0:54:56] Trustee Maude: was the intent of the analyst restaurant was founded so and

[0:54:59] Voice 2: the other really important thing

[0:55:00] Voice 2: here is the worst thing you can do to the environment is subdivide land worst thing

[0:55:06] Voice 5: they're naughty

[0:55:06] Voice 2: so this doesn't propose i mean then the next thing that would happen in 10 or

[0:55:11] Voice 2: 20 years if somebody would come along with a 10 acre lot they'd want to chop it up so you could

[0:55:15] Voice 2: build more houses and that's the worst thing to do this is allowing environmentally community

[0:55:21] Voice 2: friendly densification without building condos um and what i think is more environmentally suitable

[0:55:28] Voice 2: the roads are already here you're not going to create so that's the other little bit in favor of

[0:55:33] Voice 2: don't self-divide for heaven's sakes share property co-op strata whatever but this opens

[0:55:39] Voice 2: that opportunity as well for individuals to form strata co-ops other forms of property ownership

[0:55:46] Voice 2: too um which can in the long run be more affordable whereas right now all we have is one

[0:55:51] Voice 2: size fits all you get a house and most cases for a lot of people um the house is far too big for

[0:55:58] Voice 2: what they actually need that's why it's called let's see very

[0:56:04] Voice 3: good question so out of this

[0:56:06] Voice 3: proposal there is it's not we have any number in mind because we

[0:56:10] Trustee Maude: need um rentals that would be

[0:56:13] Trustee Maude: available after oh

[0:56:15] Voice 2: sorry it's up did you say do we know how many how many of you have determined

[0:56:20] Voice 2: nobody

[0:56:21] Trustee Maude: knows well do

[0:56:22] Trustee Maude: you have any numbers

[0:56:22] Voice 2: in mind no i don't know

[0:56:26] Voice 3: and and

[0:56:28] Voice 2: surveys have been done like in terms of who rents and who doesn't so stats canada's

[0:56:33] Voice 2: every five years and by the time you get those stats it would have changed and how many have

[0:56:38] Voice 2: we don't within this area i mean we probably can calculate how many properties would be in this

[0:56:43] Voice 2: area but we wouldn't have no way of knowing how many people would actually take advantage

[0:56:48] Voice 2: yeah it's

[0:56:49] Trustee Maude: really just put those things in the blue

[0:56:52] Trustee Maude: folks that people believe in those properties

[0:56:54] Voice 2: they might come up we hope it might not yep it

[0:56:57] Voice 2: well there was there was rationale for why they were included but here's the opportunity to to

[0:57:04] Voice 2: hear from the community does this make sense is this appropriate and then talk about the values

[0:57:09] Voice 2: that went into this decision this very draft early stage decision so yeah and

[0:57:16] Voice 3: so when this

[0:57:17] Voice 3: thing would go we're going to be by law because now it's just like a draft right

[0:57:22] Voice 2: if we

[0:57:23] Voice 2: do first reading today then that allows the draft bylaw to be referred out to all the

[0:57:31] Voice 2: other agencies including water districts right um and so there's typically two months to hear

[0:57:39] Voice 2: comments how long is that process um i can't remember the number of weeks but there yeah

[0:57:44] Voice 2: there's a legislative time oh yeah it's it's sweet it's it's yeah yeah not too much right yeah

[0:57:51] Voice 2: yeah um i mean if you've done the science on the hydrology on this island for aquifers

[0:58:01] Voice 2: if you have told that much water say your dreams come true in all of these places

[0:58:06] Voice 2: that's number of you doing some channels

[0:58:10] Voice 2: health in advance and only go back to the water system

[0:58:25] Voice 4: And the other

[0:58:27] Voice 2: question is, I think we're seeing a lot longer period thrive on maynard as compared

[0:58:42] Voice 2: to what it used to be.

[0:58:43] Voice 2: and I'm wondering if anyone

[0:58:44] Voice 2: who knows

[0:58:47] Voice 2: but

[0:58:49] Voice 2: do you have any guarantees that we're going to

[0:58:51] Voice 2: kill all these systems with

[0:58:53] Voice 2: range all the time and what happens if we can't

[0:58:55] Voice 2: no

[0:58:58] Voice 2: no guarantees

[0:58:59] Voice 2: in life

[0:59:00] Voice 2: we

[0:59:00] Voice 6: need to

[0:59:01] Voice 6: we

[0:59:02] Voice 2: need to think about

[0:59:04] Voice 2: eventualities

[0:59:05] Voice 2: that are actually quite likely

[0:59:06] Voice 2: so I'm not going to

[0:59:09] Voice 2: jump in on the science piece because I

[0:59:11] Voice 2: I don't want to overstep, we have seen a map that there is an aquifer conceptualization in

[0:59:19] Voice 2: which Maine was included, critical groundwater recharge areas, areas of saltwater intrusion

[0:59:25] Voice 2: vulnerability, so all that mapping has been done. The effects of where if we put this much density

[0:59:33] Voice 2: and what will be impacts on, I mean I don't think it's possible to calculate that.

[0:59:39] Voice 2: Correct, and I think you identified that exactly.

[0:59:43] Voice 2: You can calculate, if all of your dreams came true there,

[0:59:49] Voice 2: the amount that you're asking people to trickle in rainwater from cisterns.

[0:59:55] Voice 2: We can calculate what that would mean, or how much would be held from...

[1:00:00] Voice 4: Well, I

[1:00:01] Voice 2: believe, uses that the land needs, but also other occupiers and other users. So, you know, I think there are systems people who could probably use that, and I'm wondering if they have.

[1:00:15] Voice 2: so certainly yes you could you could spend the money and do all the calculations but i think

[1:00:21] Voice 2: the reality it comes back to the reality of what is the what's really realistic in terms of the

[1:00:26] Voice 2: opportunity to be taken up and it comes back to the fact that there's secondary suites around

[1:00:31] Voice 2: allowed on a lot of the islands and the take-up has only been one in eight years um and the cost

[1:00:39] Voice 2: to build is very high so it's really about providing the flexibility and opportunity and

[1:00:45] Voice 2: and certainly you know there things are consistently shifting right so their

[1:00:52] Voice 2: bylaws are consistently being updated and we just had a recent conversation on the ferry over here

[1:00:59] Voice 2: relating to zoning there's flexibility within the local government act to allow local governments to

[1:01:04] Voice 2: to change their zoning to address the evolution of things.

[1:01:09] Voice 2: So if there is a wild amount of pickup and it's,

[1:01:12] Voice 2: I mean, if the island was built out how it exists

[1:01:16] Voice 2: in zoning right now, it would draw tons from the islands.

[1:01:21] Voice 2: I mean, the reality is most of these islands

[1:01:24] Voice 2: are already beyond capacity.

[1:01:25] Voice 2: So we're dealing with what we're dealing with.

[1:01:28] Voice 4: But then we shouldn't be thinking about it.

[1:01:29] Voice 4: But

[1:01:30] Voice 2: we are thinking about it.

[1:01:31] Voice 2: But what about the people that can't come here

[1:01:34] Voice 2: or can't stay here?

[1:01:35] Voice 2: so this is a problem we were overbuilt back in the 60s when we were subdivided this flex area is not

[1:01:41] Voice 2: in those areas that are already overbuilt and are suffering from water problems we don't have a

[1:01:46] Voice 2: single aquifer it's fractured rock they're all different areas this is not being proposed to

[1:01:51] Voice 2: be anywhere near waterfront because of salt intrusion being the concern it's being proposed

[1:01:57] Voice 2: putting in place probably larger cisterns than what we originally had in place here it's also

[1:02:03] Voice 2: being put in as a program that if we reach a point where we could get huge uptake because this is not

[1:02:09] Voice 2: downtown vancouver um we then have the opportunity but if we are going to sit here and fear anybody

[1:02:15] Voice 2: else coming here and close the bridge then we're going to be in a mess it's

[1:02:20] Voice 3: not so much

[1:02:20] Voice 3: we could

[1:02:22] Voice 2: study it yeah do

[1:02:23] Voice 3: it in a rational way

[1:02:24] Voice 2: we have and spent

[1:02:26] Voice 2: months on this yes there's

[1:02:27] Voice 4: There's some really major issues, like what happens to, I forget your point to that, so it's interesting that they've been mapped, but we're

[1:02:37] Voice 2: still going to, we're proposing withholding quite a bit of water that comes down as rainfall, and climate change is showing us that things change pretty radically, and then what do we do if that rainwater is just...

[1:02:50] Voice 2: All of the water that I, I don't have cisterns, but all the water I have in a cistern is going to go through my septic system.

[1:02:57] Voice 2: This is not an urban area.

[1:02:58] Voice 2: All of the water we use is recharged into the land.

[1:03:02] Voice 2: The reality is here, usually by November, December, if you get on your rowboat and you row around the island,

[1:03:09] Voice 2: the majority of the water that's falling after November is pouring off onto the ocean.

[1:03:15] Voice 2: You can observe that any time, maybe into January.

[1:03:18] Voice 2: the other reality and i've been here a long time hot dry summer slides july they're not it was

[1:03:23] Voice 2: always hot and dry we go

[1:03:25] Voice 2: through cycles so we know that our weather's changing so we're gonna have

[1:03:28] Voice 2: heavier rain we're gonna get massive amounts of rain

[1:03:31] Voice 2: and longer periods of drought so certainly

[1:03:34] Voice 2: you've got to be prepared for at least probably a three maybe even a four month drought period

[1:03:39] Voice 2: so you have to know that you've got enough water in your system to do four months which would be

[1:03:44] Voice 2: that 4,700 whatever

[1:03:46] Voice 2: gallons, if all you're using

[1:03:48] Voice 2: is rainwater. We know lots of people

[1:03:50] Voice 2: have rainwater collection on the island

[1:03:52] Voice 2: and in fact keep adding tanks, which

[1:03:54] Voice 2: most people, especially if

[1:03:56] Voice 3: you want to have a garden,

[1:03:56] Voice 2: do. But I just

[1:03:58] Voice 2: can't buy into the fact the sky is falling

[1:04:00] Voice 2: and five years from now we're not going to have any water.

[1:04:03] Voice 2: We can always desalinate.

[1:04:04] Voice 2: The reality is desalination

[1:04:06] Voice 2: is still another option.

[1:04:08] Voice 2: Not the

[1:04:10] Voice 2: newer ones.

[1:04:13] Voice 2: let's not get into too much um i respecting your question about whether the impacts of increasing

[1:04:24] Voice 2: growth on uh in certain areas will will result especially if there's rainwater harvesting

[1:04:31] Voice 2: catchment um will deplete the rainwater for the rest of the ecosystem i've heard it unequivocally

[1:04:39] Voice 2: stated in many meetings by our hydrogeologist um william shoba that in studies that they've done

[1:04:47] Voice 2: especially on salt spring island on one contained area with a huge rainwater harvesting like the

[1:04:54] Voice 2: amount that was pulled off the roof relative to what is like it was minuscule there was no

[1:05:01] Voice 2: there was no harm there's no possible way that that amount of rainwater coming off the roof was

[1:05:07] Voice 2: depleting the ecosystem of recharge and so critical but areas of critical

[1:05:14] Voice 2: groundwater recharge are protected against further density that's that is

[1:05:21] Voice 2: one of the criteria that this LTC looked at based on the mapping is where there

[1:05:26] Voice 2: is a lot of water going back into the ground that is considered a critical

[1:05:29] Voice 2: recharge areas and that mapping has been done and those areas should not be

[1:05:33] Voice 2: further developed or impacted, but I don't honestly think, from what I've

[1:05:40] Voice 2: heard from William Shulbaugh, if there's any truth to an assertion that collecting

[1:05:46] Voice 2: rainwater off your roof is going to deplete the rest of the ecosystem. You would have

[1:05:50] Voice 2: to cover all of Maine. Also, the recharge

[1:05:55] Voice 2: areas are those

[1:05:57] Voice 2: swamp lands, those valley areas that you see that fill up with water, and in many

[1:06:01] Voice 2: cases, the meadows and the restoration that's being done over at Peter Robinson's farm.

[1:06:13] Voice 2: There's a lot of that.

[1:06:14] Voice 2: And in terms of what Michelle mentioned about ponds and water, Main Island actually has

[1:06:19] Voice 2: a lot of ponds.

[1:06:21] Voice 2: We have a lot of ponds which act to help water recharge because they hold it for a long period

[1:06:25] Voice 2: of time.

[1:06:26] Voice 2: so that's uh and there's a pond right here in the middle of minor space and this is my property

[1:06:33] Voice 2: i have a swamp that goes from the back through the frankel road and um it never even when it

[1:06:39] Voice 2: dries for three months it's actually never dry it's never dry you can actually dig and get money

[1:06:51] Voice 3: so

[1:06:52] Voice 2: so groundwater recharge areas just to follow up on that um

[1:06:55] Voice 2: And there's a small plug here for the Policy Statement Amendment Project we're going to

[1:07:01] Voice 2: be doing at Trust Council is reviewing draft policies for this large policy document that

[1:07:07] Voice 2: is the backbone of all of our OCPs.

[1:07:10] Voice 2: There is quite a lot of description of groundwater regions, groundwater recharge areas, and these

[1:07:17] Voice 2: are defined in the Islands Trust areas.

[1:07:20] Voice 2: Groundwater recharge areas that have significant groundwater recharging effect for drinking

[1:07:24] Voice 2: water sources or groundwater dependent ecosystems in the islands trust area are defined as critical

[1:07:30] Voice 2: aquifer recharge areas so those need to be protected and that mapping is being done so

[1:07:36] Voice 2: best i can tell the areas that need to be protected should not be impacted by this but

[1:07:41] Voice 2: we're still in dialogue with community to hear what you think about it um i'm gonna yeah be in

[1:07:49] Voice 2: the front. And I just wondered whether all of this water that is flowing down into the ocean,

[1:07:57] Voice 2: whether there's ever any consideration of some way it could be channeled into the rest of the waters.

[1:08:05] Voice 2: The biggest problem is who's going to do it, who's going to pay for it.

[1:08:11] Voice 2: But those are things like as things get drier and more of a worry and especially in the water

[1:08:18] Voice 2: district yeah that's yeah that's yeah well yeah i

[1:08:22] Voice 5: mean you said

[1:08:22] Voice 2: you could we and then we have i

[1:08:24] Voice 2: think somewhere in our olaf we talked about encouraging retaining ponds and for the housing

[1:08:30] Voice 2: project village bay there's there's rainwater holding ponds and ways of treating and saving

[1:08:36] Voice 2: and preserving the water so yeah i don't know if you could write that in there's regulatory

[1:08:41] Voice 2: tools

[1:08:42] Voice 2: such as covenants and and working in partnership with the island stress conservancy uh which can

[1:08:48] Voice 2: secure covenants on on lands um but work do you have stream keepers or any kind of non-profit

[1:08:55] Voice 2: group that does monitoring uh i highly in um encourage the creation of groundwater monitoring

[1:09:04] Voice 2: groups um that can be part of that ecosystem protection place where if you're noticing you

[1:09:11] Voice 2: you know water is flowing in a different way well what what is the plan that makes sense to

[1:09:15] Voice 2: make sure that is recharged into the earth and not run off so

[1:09:22] Voice 4: my next

[1:09:23] Voice 4: statement i'm already included in this

[1:09:25] Voice 2: one of my properties is already great one of the

[1:09:29] Voice 2: great properties now it would be really really wonderful if all of these properties could have

[1:09:36] Voice 2: have the chance to create more housing the reality of this situation is most of us do not have

[1:09:43] Voice 2: the money to do so

[1:09:45] Voice 4: so

[1:09:46] Voice 2: we are worried about something really realistically that does give

[1:09:52] Voice 2: the opportunity but most of the landowners i'm sure do not have the funds to create massive

[1:09:59] Voice 2: of amounts of housing so um you know it'd be freaking awesome if we did but we don't

[1:10:06] Voice 2: so i think the opportunity is awesome and it's great and it should be presented and it should

[1:10:13] Voice 2: come forth but the reality of the situation is how how many of us have the funds to do this

[1:10:22] Voice 2: so i'm just throwing that out there so that you know we don't so

[1:10:27] Voice 8: get ourselves wrapped up in

[1:10:29] Voice 8: what the potential of this is going to be because realistically you

[1:10:33] Voice 2: know um we may not be able to

[1:10:37] Voice 2: create all this housing that we want

[1:10:39] Voice 3: gentlemen yeah

[1:10:41] Voice 2: um yeah to respond to that in some way

[1:10:45] Voice 2: we're all very concerned with water on this island but given the likelihood of this

[1:10:52] Voice 4: proposal

[1:10:54] Voice 2: is going to have a much smaller impact than building out all of the empty lots and carrying

[1:10:59] Voice 2: down to the small homes and cottages are out there in little larger homes. So I think if you want to

[1:11:05] Voice 2: address the issue of water on this island, we should be looking at it outside this initiative

[1:11:11] Voice 4: and

[1:11:11] Voice 2: on a much broader level where everybody on the island is aware and encouraged to do what they can

[1:11:19] Voice 2: on their own properties to reduce their use, cistern their water, if they build draft water,

[1:11:25] Voice 2: are you know cistern requirements and all those kinds of things make sense and what

[1:11:31] was dramatically larger effect

[1:11:33] Voice 2: that he

[1:11:34] Voice 3: finds you know

[1:11:35] Voice 2: this by law which is only going to

[1:11:37] Voice 2: have a very limited access on water yeah it's it is very important in communities that still

[1:11:46] Voice 2: have some um areas of to be built out gabriola where i come from um where we are considering

[1:11:54] Voice 2: considering uh how do we remove or pull back some of the harmful more most impactful zoning that

[1:12:02] Voice 2: exists the latent density um if we're

[1:12:06] Voice 2: going to increase uh or talk about how diversity

[1:12:10] Voice 2: community diversity and then making sure that there are options for every um type or demographic

[1:12:19] Voice 2: that we want to support if we're going to increase housing options in the form of small homes that

[1:12:25] Voice 2: may not be for families they're for you know workforce housing or single people or a couple

[1:12:31] Voice 2: do we need to reduce those more impactful densities and that's a live conversation for

[1:12:40] Voice 2: my community I'm very much an advocate of looking at one's own impact and and I think that you're

[1:12:47] Voice 2: right that that is the biggest um way that we can uphold the island's trust mandate is is

[1:12:54] Voice 2: understanding our own impacts and actually owning that so we can only do so much through regulations

[1:13:00] Voice 2: we regulate activities on the land but how people live is really going to impact that

[1:13:09] Voice 2: so thank you for that comment and i don't know janine you had a i just want to also remind us

[1:13:15] Voice 2: that we live in a community that has huge demand on the water systems in the summer family cups

[1:13:23] Voice 2: part-time people return and so i don't know i think of all the water districts held a meeting

[1:13:30] Voice 2: to talk about you know what is the real issue is the real issue that we don't have enough water

[1:13:35] Voice 2: or is the real issue that we have this humongous high demand in the driest time of year with some

[1:13:41] Voice 2: water districts who are struggling because their infrastructure was built by developers not well

[1:13:47] Voice 2: supervised and they're struggling with lack of storage struggling with broken line i think

[1:13:52] Voice 2: there's a bigger water conversation that could happen in the community so that everybody was

[1:13:56] Voice 2: water wise and knew i came here 1960 sign on the toilet said if it's yellow let it mellow we didn't

[1:14:05] Voice 2: have wells in 1960. they were hand dug springs there were no drilled wells they were all hand

[1:14:10] Voice 2: have done mostly springs um so i think water awareness all of us you know say a good a water

[1:14:15] Voice 2: workshop would be fabulous for everyone to understand what are the incidents of water

[1:14:19] Voice 2: and is it in fact that we're going to have drier summers and wetter winters and that water is not

[1:14:25] Voice 2: going to stay here or is it how we manage our water and how we deal with the high high demand

[1:14:30] Voice 2: in the summer so that's kind of outside of what we can do here we can do the best we can i think

[1:14:36] Voice 2: we can increase the size of cisterns i don't know if we want to go to 20 000 gallons we'll

[1:14:41] Voice 2: discuss it but uh but we're always aware that water is a concern but i also wonder you know

[1:14:48] Voice 2: i think we need to have a lot more dialogue about what is the real problem the real problem with

[1:14:53] Voice 2: water so it's

[1:14:54] Voice 4: a good point yeah keep

[1:14:59] Voice 2: the conversation flowing this is great conversation

[1:15:02] Voice 2: conversation. It's definitely been about water today.

[1:15:08] Voice 2: What Helen was saying about retaining

[1:15:10] Voice 2: the water, we have a section here that talks, that refers to minimizing

[1:15:14] Voice 2: impacts on ecologically sensitive areas, including water recharge

[1:15:18] Voice 2: areas. We could expand that, but we can't really expand

[1:15:23] Voice 2: it to say we retain the water because we don't have that, but

[1:15:26] Voice 2: we do talk about water recharge. I don't know if we could change those

[1:15:30] Voice 2: those words in there, something that we could certainly consider, or you have language for that,

[1:15:35] Voice 2: but it is in here, water is in here, in terms of

[1:15:38] Voice 1: recharge.

[1:15:46] Voice 2: We should talk briefly, Toby, about the

[1:15:49] Voice 2: tiny, a lot more language about tiny homes have been a huge battle to get them, and Toby's 100%

[1:15:55] Voice 2: in charge with that one. Please don't tell me I'm in charge of something. It's actually getting

[1:16:02] Voice 2: getting them to be getting an opportunity actually have tiny it's true the so i can

[1:16:08] Voice 2: yeah back in back into the bylaw i was actually looking for at that section

[1:16:13] Voice 2: page 38 i'm in the wrong agenda am i no there's right

[1:16:24] Voice 2: consideration may be given that's the one it was started right so so 2.1.64 consideration may be

[1:16:32] Voice 2: given to applications any land use designation for residential use to reason land for clustered

[1:16:38] Voice 2: small unit housing so clustered small unit housing is there's been a lot of discussion at the trust

[1:16:43] Voice 2: how do we term the types of housing that we want which allows community houses that are small

[1:16:54] Voice 2: and clustered so that we reduce that impact right so clustered small unit housing Maine is kind of

[1:17:00] Voice 2: leading the way because I don't think any other OCP yet has this in this kind of terminology

[1:17:09] Voice 2: And so, luckily, the work that was done sort of at the direction of regional planning committee,

[1:17:19] Voice 2: the Islands Trust funded a small working group of technical, technical working group.

[1:17:27] Voice 2: We focused on the regional district of Nanaimo, and so they met with, there was a water, CRD

[1:17:37] Voice 2: water commissioner was there and um plant our planners islands trust planners and we looked

[1:17:43] Voice 2: at siting and use and is it possible to allow tiny homes as a legal livable dwelling and it was

[1:17:52] Voice 2: quite an interesting meeting the results of that were that um the building inspectors got quite

[1:17:58] Voice 2: fired up with excitement with excitement no the building inspectors are generally they're they're

[1:18:05] Voice 2: very much in their their regulatory boxes and they don't get quite excited but because um these tiny

[1:18:13] Voice 2: home manufacturers in the room were able to demonstrate that the homes built to the csa

[1:18:20] Voice 2: z240mh designation meet the intent of the building code and they basically talked it out so that

[1:18:27] Voice 2: they agreed that if the unit could be anchored to the ground connected to a source of potable

[1:18:33] Voice 2: water and then the siting and use was conforming with the community's OCP they

[1:18:39] Voice 2: could actually issue a building permit for a tiny house on wheels and that was

[1:18:44] Voice 2: a game changer for these building inspectors they got quite excited we

[1:18:49] Voice 2: shared that out at ABICC Association of Vancouver Coastal Communities and I can

[1:18:56] Voice 2: share that we just got a seminar accepted for UBCM so this for the

[1:19:01] Voice 2: The building professional industry has changed things because they've always been of the understanding that something on wheels, they couldn't permit it, it just couldn't be allowed.

[1:19:11] Voice 2: But if they're built to this standard, which is reflected in this draft bylaw, units are constructed to BC building code or CSA standards for manufactured homes or equivalent units are anchored to the ground connected to a source of potable water, approved wastewater system and not exceeding a certain amount.

[1:19:28] Voice 2: out so when we're talking small clustered dwellings it includes those and the intent is

[1:19:35] Voice 2: that if somebody wants to rezone to allow the multiple units these are the parameters that

[1:19:43] Voice 2: would have to be respected you know communal facilities provided it's not going to be located

[1:19:48] Voice 2: in areas containing sensitive ecosystems or cultural archaeological significance so

[1:19:53] Voice 2: So it allows, again, that potential so people can get out of RVs maybe

[1:20:00] Voice 2: and into something that is more substantial,

[1:20:03] Voice 2: meets the intent of the building code, and yet is portable if things change.

[1:20:10] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:20:10] Voice 3: Yeah, that's what our tiny

[1:20:13] Voice 2: home owner wanted.

[1:20:15] Voice 2: With a permit.

[1:20:16] Voice 2: In Bennett Bay? That was, that was, we went through a process

[1:20:22] Voice 3: and had it designated as a float over home, but it's all meeting

[1:20:28] Voice 2: all the proper standards.

[1:20:29] Voice 2: So just to clarify, does that give an option for a prefab unit bought from one of the manufacturers of tiny homes or a home built unit? Is that the option that's being allowed here?

[1:20:46] Voice 2: Well, it's really up to the discretion of the regulating body.

[1:20:51] Voice 2: So in this case, it's the CRD.

[1:20:53] Voice 2: Right.

[1:20:53] Voice 2: So this initiative, the Regional District of Nanaimo, is willing to accept manufactured homes built to that MH standard.

[1:21:02] Voice 2: And there may be discussion, as they're having their own housing challenges, on policy options for home-built or the ones that were built to the RV standard,

[1:21:13] Voice 2: because that was where the direction that the tiny home industry was going.

[1:21:16] Voice 2: csarv and so there's a lot of those that exist and so the conversation actually was well if they can

[1:21:24] Voice 2: meet certain health and safety criteria they're what there is a path the province walked before

[1:21:29] Voice 2: 2016 of when there was just a rash of illegal secondary suites because there was a causing

[1:21:36] Voice 2: crisis um then there was a program that local governments could opt into to recognize and and

[1:21:46] Voice 2: And okay, well, maybe it doesn't meet all the elements of code, let's say for energy efficiency, six inch walls, for instance, but there's health and safety or the electrical is inspected and all that.

[1:21:58] Voice 2: So that is a conversation for the CRD. I have not heard that their building inspection department, you know, could issue a building permit, but what you want to make sure is that your OCP allows for that flexibility.

[1:22:10] Voice 2: So that's why we're calling it small, clustered dwellings, and then whatever your regulating

[1:22:16] Voice 2: body would be willing to commit.

[1:22:18] Voice 2: So still a conversation.

[1:22:20] Voice 1: So it could be

[1:22:20] Voice 2: a scenario where somebody like myself has a property that's

[1:22:27] Voice 3: is

[1:22:27] Voice 2: already zoned for a second

[1:22:30] Voice 3: dwelling, put

[1:22:32] Voice 2: in a tiny home instead of a built structure

[1:22:36] Voice 2: on a cement path.

[1:22:38] Voice 2: And actually, it really gets to that question of, are we upholding the preserve and protect mandate?

[1:22:46] Voice 2: The issue of building foundations for all these structures is, it's like, really, these are all Indigenous soils.

[1:22:54] Voice 2: These are all sensitive areas, although they've been modified heavily.

[1:23:00] Voice 2: But the less digging we can do, I think, the more it enables us to live lightly on the land.

[1:23:07] Voice 4: and how about

[1:23:08] Voice 2: composting toilets and water collection systems well it all has to be

[1:23:12] Voice 2: approved by the regulating body so that's we've had an outcome well you still have to deal with

[1:23:19] Voice 2: your gray water so so you can have a gray water we only have this tiny part of responsibility

[1:23:25] Voice 2: which is the most important part yeah yeah yeah but yes so you can use composting toilets gray

[1:23:30] Voice 2: water has to be engineered same with rainwater you don't have to have a well yeah but it has

[1:23:36] Voice 2: to be engineered which is not inexpensive so these are the other downside but having talked about the

[1:23:44] Voice 2: tiny homes there's a lot of stuff in here that's not about flex housing there's a lot of stuff

[1:23:48] Voice 2: in this report about just changing our housing policies in general to to make them you know

[1:23:54] Voice 2: possible for someone to apply for rezoning for a mobile home and or tiny home park which people

[1:24:01] Voice 2: often say the solution to our housing problems is we need a mobile home park at least now we have

[1:24:06] Voice 2: that language that would facilitate if some kind soul yeah or society yeah well nelson has 20 home

[1:24:15] Voice 2: projects that are very successful oh so really successful um with tiny homes so now we have at

[1:24:23] Voice 2: least this

[1:24:23] Voice 3: is opening yeah

[1:24:24] Voice 2: this is the first i've seen tiny home on wheels or recreational vehicles

[1:24:30] Voice 2: like that's that it's captured in our bylaws and in the Islands Trust area so again Maine is leading

[1:24:37] Voice 2: the way but we're not trying to go outside of it just allowed that flexibility but I think that's

[1:24:44] Voice 2: the direction everything is going mm-hmm that's a good questions yeah I

[1:24:51] Voice 3: just why are excited that

[1:24:56] Voice 3: they can now issue the building permits for the mobile home. As far as I understand, there are

[1:25:01] Voice 3: lots of people on the island that live in the trailers.

[1:25:04] Voice 2: They are holding the trailer, just

[1:25:05] Voice 2: park it in there and they live in there. And they believe they do this without any building permits

[1:25:12] Voice 2: or without any problems from the authorities. Now you're saying, so those inspectors are excited to

[1:25:17] Voice 2: be able to issue building permits. So what is going to change for those trailers? What's the

[1:25:24] Voice 2: the major difference between a trailer and a mobile home.

[1:25:27] Voice 2: So essentially, that's the same thing.

[1:25:29] Voice 2: I don't want to go down the rabbit hole too much,

[1:25:31] Voice 2: but an RV is a recreational vehicle.

[1:25:33] Voice 2: And typically, building inspectors

[1:25:36] Voice 2: would not issue a building permit

[1:25:38] Voice 2: for a recreational vehicle.

[1:25:40] Voice 2: It is designed to go down a road.

[1:25:42] Voice 2: So that was always, well, some LTCs allow you to use it.

[1:25:46] Voice 2: Island Health regulations don't necessarily

[1:25:49] Voice 2: permit people to live in trailers full time.

[1:25:54] Voice 3: The

[1:25:55] Voice 2: main island bylaws have allowed people to live in trailers take time as long as they're hooked up to septic and water, but that's being changed to allowing them to only exist with temporary use permits.

[1:26:10] Trustee Maude: Somebody would buy the vacant land so we have quite a few parcels and they just would like to all be in trailer, they have to apply for the temporary permit.

[1:26:18] Voice 2: That's the change that's being made, that's being suggested. So as identified, there's a number of changes suggested, so now they can buy it.

[1:26:27] Voice 2: Previously they were allowed to have it as a permit, essentially live there as long as they can, as long as they're hooked up.

[1:26:34] Voice 2: But that's a very unhealthy living circumstance. So it's being

[1:26:37] Voice 2: changed now so that they are required to get a temporary use permit.

[1:26:44] Voice 3: And then in the future so they will be should be building permits and then so they can use a building without all it's never a permit.

[1:26:51] Voice 2: Not to an RV though, but you wouldn't get a building.

[1:26:55] Voice 2: It's just

[1:26:55] Voice 2: much higher

[1:26:56] Voice 3: rate from the tech.

[1:26:58] Voice 2: Sorry, your voice keeps going down so I can't quite hear you.

[1:27:00] Voice 2: I

[1:27:01] Voice 3: always just think it's more elaborate version of the house.

[1:27:05] Voice 3: it's

[1:27:05] Voice 2: slightly more substantial the point is that its construction meets the intent of a

[1:27:12] Voice 2: certification standard and that is what the building inspection industry is is interested

[1:27:18] Voice 2: in is not you know how does it look they cannot regulate rvs that is regulated by csa through a

[1:27:25] Voice 2: different standard so how to consider this thing on wheels as a dwelling there needed to be a

[1:27:31] Voice 2: standard and that was the one they agreed could be used but yes you're right there's a lot in

[1:27:38] Voice 2: transition and i think maine is moving away from if if if this draft bylaw you know

[1:27:45] Voice 2: proceeds moving

[1:27:46] Voice 2: away from you know full unconstrained letting people live in rvs because it's as we've heard

[1:27:53] Voice 2: not the healthiest situation into a temporary use permit which is sort of that interim stage of okay

[1:27:59] Voice 2: it's permitted but you need to go through a process to buy just so we're everybody's aware

[1:28:04] Voice 2: of what's um the proposed change yeah lots of opportunity for comments still so are there any

[1:28:15] Voice 2: other um points we've heard a lot about water a little bit of discussion on tiny homes and

[1:28:22] Voice 2: and what is the a

[1:28:31] Voice 2: lot of this is language updating as well which has been um we kept the word

[1:28:39] Voice 2: cottage that was that was quite a point of discussion not every community has defined

[1:28:45] Voice 2: cottages that maine does this is a definition well first off other jurisdictions call it an

[1:28:55] Voice 2: accessory dwelling units we hear a lot about abus and whereas we've always talked about them as

[1:29:02] Voice 2: cottages and i think it's a thousand and one square feet um wherever it is that you're allowed

[1:29:08] Voice 2: to clutter and the proposal is to go down to one acre lots whereas currently it's an acre and a

[1:29:13] Voice 2: half before you can have a cottage so we're increasing the opportunities for folks to have

[1:29:20] Voice 2: cottages and we've also increased the size quite some time ago so my cottage

[1:29:25] Voice 2: is three bedroom one thousand and one square foot cottage which is quite big

[1:29:29] Voice 2: yeah hoping that that would create housing but that didn't happen either

[1:29:35] Voice 2: expensive to build so if there isn't any more comments we do need to proceed with

[1:29:44] Voice 2: the rest of the agenda but opportunity if anybody wants to weigh in

[1:29:49] Voice 2: I

[1:29:50] Voice 1: suppose it's a very good discussion.

[1:29:52] Voice 2: Yeah, good question.

[1:29:54] Voice 2: She's going

[1:29:54] Voice 3: to want to do it.

[1:29:55] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:29:55] Voice 3: Thank you all.

[1:29:56] Voice 2: For sure.

[1:29:57] Voice 2: Well, thank you all so much for coming out.

[1:30:00] Voice 2: it's really really important to hear everyone's feedback so very much

[1:30:04] Voice 2: appreciate your time and keep tabs on the process your local trustees are

[1:30:10] Voice 2: really good at doing that they're reporting to the main liner and other

[1:30:17] Voice 2: areas but yeah email us anytime thank you

[1:30:22] Voice 2: or stay and please feel free to stay

[1:30:25] Voice 2: but I think we'll consider the community information meeting for now is closed

[1:30:30] Voice 2: and we'll just recess for a couple of minutes why don't we take a break for

[1:30:36] Voice 2: five minutes yeah okay we'll take a break for five minutes and let everybody

[1:30:40] Voice 2: we've got any other questions

[1:30:41] Voice 6: okay great well

[1:30:51] Voice 2: thank you everyone that was a great

[1:30:53] Voice 2: community information meeting and we've ended in time to continue with the rest

[1:31:00] Voice 2: of our business so we've got minutes for adoption dated May 26 2025 any change

[1:31:07] Voice 2: changes. Yeah, I think we can adopt those by general consent. Thank you very much to

[1:31:20] Voice 2: the takers. And so into our follow-up action list, which I noted looks like everything

[1:31:26] Voice 2: was completed. My goodness. Efficiency is, yes, 100%. All the way

[1:31:34] Voice 6: down. Oh, 69. How did

[1:31:36] Voice 2: you get 69 on the housing review because we haven't referred it to the etc yet i don't know

[1:31:43] Voice 2: it's a little thing you have to drag across and you just like i just

[1:31:46] Voice 2: dragged it i was like yeah

[1:31:47] Voice 2: that's about right all right note that i'm dragging the thing because we appreciate the

[1:31:51] Voice 2: dragging of the the percentage so uh trustees any questions uh or any updates from the planner

[1:32:03] Trustee Maude: Oh, yeah, I guess the only ones on page 10. The bottom item six, it was a target of 11th

[1:32:10] Trustee Maude: of July 2025. Is that?

[1:32:14] Voice 3: Oh, is

[1:32:16] Trustee Maude: that sorry? Oh,

[1:32:17] Trustee Maude: for

[1:32:18] Voice 2: the 18.3? Yeah. Oh, yeah, no, that'll

[1:32:21] Voice 2: be that. That's to get it onto the list. So it actually has been put onto the list. Okay.

[1:32:30] Voice 2: Okay, so

[1:32:31] Trustee Maude: we've moved it across to a list.

[1:32:33] Voice 2: We've moved it from one list to the other list.

[1:32:36] Trustee Maude: Okay, cool.

[1:32:36] Trustee Maude: Great government in action.

[1:32:40] Voice 2: So we had a letter from a constituent, Stephen Copper, who asked to appear as a delegation.

[1:32:49] Voice 2: Is Stephen here?

[1:32:51] Voice 2: Oh, you are.

[1:32:52] Voice 2: Oh, thank you.

[1:32:53] Voice 2: you um so i'm not sure if we didn't pre-approve a delegation but this local trust committee are you

[1:33:02] Voice 2: willing to give mr copper some time here today and and we'll hear from you on this issue

[1:33:07] Voice 2: so

[1:33:08] Voice 3: i can make this quite short sure it's in the emails um i had a discussion with janine

[1:33:14] Voice 3: and about um seeking basically a minor change from what i understand in the zone will be minus

[1:33:42] Voice 3: Sorry, can you come a little bit closer to what we're looking at in terms of what we're

[1:33:57] Voice 4: looking at in terms of what we're looking at in terms of what we're looking

[1:33:59] Voice 2: at in terms

[1:34:00] Voice 2: little bit closer to the microphone here the minute taker is just having trouble hearing you

[1:34:05] Voice 2: so um

[1:34:06] Voice 3: reiterate that

[1:34:07] Voice 2: well we got most of what you'd already stated in the letter so seeking

[1:34:11] Voice 2: rezoning um right village take yeah go ahead yeah

[1:34:15] Voice 3: so basically

[1:34:16] Trustee Maude: in in the past and i acknowledged

[1:34:19] Trustee Maude: that the um the parks commission over here um has the sort of the final say in terms of issuing

[1:34:25] Trustee Maude: special events. But in the past, when it's been asked if we can, that type of event in the park,

[1:34:33] Trustee Maude: it's been denied because the zoning does not allow for it. It's sort of a gray area that way.

[1:34:40] Trustee Maude: So what we're asking is that we make it possible to be able to have an event with a component of

[1:34:48] Trustee Maude: having you know someone selling let's say other other other things in the park so

[1:34:55] Voice 3: yeah

[1:34:56] Trustee Maude: and i i

[1:34:57] Trustee Maude: just it's a bit of a history too from what i understand in the past um for example dinner

[1:35:04] Trustee Maude: bay park realtors were down there and there was a situation where they had someone was selling some

[1:35:11] Trustee Maude: fabric and this kind of stuff right and bylaw wouldn't allow that so i'm not talking about

[1:35:17] Trustee Maude: dinner day park i'm talking about minus day community park and i think it's a wonderful spot

[1:35:23] Trustee Maude: for um for events like this um and having that sort of possibility of that type of content

[1:35:30] Trustee Maude: so the um yeah that's what we're asking for and i understand that it's a possibility of putting

[1:35:36] Trustee Maude: this on the works program just so we can move forward through these type of events okay yeah

[1:35:43] Voice 4: thank you

[1:35:44] Trustee Maude: i'm here basically if you have any questions you've got the email and so forth

[1:35:52] Voice 3: So

[1:35:52] Trustee Maude: just for clarity, are you representing the man on like CRD man on parks?

[1:35:58] Trustee Maude: No, no, no. I'm

[1:36:00] Trustee Maude: with an organization called the Miners Bay Farmers Market Society, which is a society.

[1:36:08] Voice 3: And you're looking at the folks down there and

[1:36:16] Voice 2: which would probably be very likely.

[1:36:21] Voice 2: with many groups involved and then there's

[1:36:26] Voice 1: recent uh and there's all sorts of different kind of

[1:36:32] Voice 1: stuff but

[1:36:35] Voice 3: the going doesn't allow people to sell stuff for example

[1:36:43] Voice 2: you know i have

[1:36:44] Voice 2: and

[1:36:45] Trustee Maude: one of them was is with the arts council so for example if some an artist were to come to an

[1:36:52] Trustee Maude: event down there um the way it stands right now it's kind of a gray area but from the zoning

[1:36:58] Trustee Maude: standpoint. So I represent a group that would like to use the park, but the zoning doesn't

[1:37:05] Trustee Maude: allow the Parks Commission to be able to say, hey, yeah, that's a good idea.

[1:37:11] Trustee Maude: No, because traditionally speaking, it's the landowner that makes requests for changes

[1:37:16] Trustee Maude: in zoning. It's not like a third party. So I think in the scheme of things, you would

[1:37:24] Trustee Maude: need to go to the powers commission and have them apply to us to rezone the property because you

[1:37:31] Trustee Maude: can't apply on behalf of somebody else that's not my understanding well

[1:37:34] Voice 2: i mean we we did we did

[1:37:37] Voice 2: change the zonia the pillars jack park um we made a minor change there but that was more about a

[1:37:44] Voice 2: very about built structures and we also dealt with an issue at cotton park over how many structures

[1:37:50] Voice 2: could be built there but this is asking actually for a use that currently without without either

[1:37:57] Voice 2: the parks commission or the crd being a party to it i'm just not quite sure you're because you're

[1:38:02] Voice 2: talking about selling individual products as part of a bigger fair but nonetheless

[1:38:09] Voice 2: unlike the canada

[1:38:10] Voice 2: day where was it and i'm not quite sure what the difference is between what you did canada day or

[1:38:16] Voice 2: or what you would do if you had private vendors selling.

[1:38:18] Voice 2: I don't know what the difference is, but it would help if something at that level,

[1:38:22] Voice 2: which has a tradition happening there.

[1:38:25] Voice 2: I mean, Felix Jack Road, Felix Jack Park, was basically saying what was there,

[1:38:30] Voice 2: that nothing new was going to get built there,

[1:38:32] Voice 2: and it was going to stay as a site-specific park.

[1:38:35] Voice 2: It wasn't asking for a sudden total change of use.

[1:38:38] Voice 2: If what you're asking for is a major change of activity, then it would have to come,

[1:38:43] Voice 2: and i'm sure i said to you this would have to come either through the parks commission or crd

[1:38:47] Voice 2: i don't think you as an individual can come and ask for

[1:38:52] Voice 2: that but i i but i don't know planning

[1:38:54] Voice 2: wise exactly yeah well the ltc has the ability to change zoning um they don't message i mean it is

[1:39:03] Voice 2: it is good practice to uh to work with the the property owner um um but the ltc

[1:39:12] Voice 2: can can change the zoning whether a property owner agrees or not so like the residential

[1:39:18] Voice 2: zoning that we're talking about that's how for example right i mean you're you're essentially

[1:39:23] Voice 2: making a change to zoning um but not necessarily um all the property owners aren't necessarily

[1:39:29] Voice 2: involved in that right um it's a community discussion so you do have the ability to do

[1:39:33] Voice 2: that and like i say you know in specific cases like this one it isn't uh sort of a whole a large

[1:39:40] Voice 2: motor scale it is best practices to work with so it's me this letter we need to

[1:39:52] Voice 2: copy this letter to the main island parts Commission and CC it to the CRD

[1:39:56] Voice 2: we've been approached by an individual and I think it's a very different

[1:40:00] Voice 2: situation than Felix Jack Road was and that we need to copy this to the parts

[1:40:05] Voice 2: Commission to see what the request is and as well as the CRD to hear feedback

[1:40:09] Voice 2: back from them. I

[1:40:11] Voice 2: don't think it's like I was quite

[1:40:12] Voice 2: comfortable with what happened at Felix Jack Road, because I

[1:40:16] Voice 2: was very intimately involved as was the proponent, Johnny.

[1:40:21] Voice 3: Totally different.

[1:40:22] Voice 2: Yeah. This, I think, is a more formal way

[1:40:26] Voice 2: outside of whatever we would normally be doing in parks.

[1:40:30] Voice 2: As a society. Yeah.

[1:40:41] Voice 2: basically

[1:40:41] Trustee Maude: they they wanted to be able to

[1:40:43] Voice 2: have this kind of outcome right and also um in terms of the

[1:40:48] Voice 2: crd um paul brand they've spoken very supportive of all of this so um but the next step to me would

[1:40:56] Voice 2: be a motion that would say we refer this for input from the main island parks commission and capital

[1:41:03] Voice 2: a regional history

[1:41:04] Voice 4: so

[1:41:05] Voice 2: i move a motion that we refer mr croppers as president of the main island

[1:41:10] Voice 2: farmers farmers markets society um

[1:41:14] Voice 2: be referred to the main island parks commission and to the crd for

[1:41:20] Voice 2: response or for input

[1:41:23] Voice 2: yeah okay yeah because

[1:41:24] Voice 2: that's just that or should i be doing that

[1:41:26] Voice 2: no staff will sit forwarded on yeah and then that'll get the ball rolling in terms of what

[1:41:32] Voice 2: input we'll get from them. Because I'm not really quite clear on, like, events happen

[1:41:38] Voice 2: at Dinner Bay Park and events happen at Miners Bay Park. I can't remember what happened with

[1:41:44] Voice 2: them. The Quilters Guild, right, they weren't allowed, that one person, one group set up

[1:41:49] Voice 1: as

[1:41:49] Voice 2: an individual selling. And that's really, and there again, that's a policy Parks has.

[1:41:55] Voice 2: So I don't know that, if it's a policy they have, then I don't know that it's appropriate

[1:42:01] Voice 2: process to change their policy our understanding was the that the uh the zoning that i'm specifically

[1:42:08] Voice 2: talking about the miners they wanted yeah yeah right right right and then that opens the

[1:42:15] Voice 2: conversation to miners bay do you suddenly want to open up miners bay as a place for activities

[1:42:20] Voice 2: and retail sales i don't but but that would be a community conversation so we'll go

[1:42:27] Trustee Maude: so where it

[1:42:27] Trustee Maude: rules

[1:42:28] Voice 2: from here so so just can i pause further conversation we have a motion that's been

[1:42:32] Voice 2: proposed let me just deal with that and then we'll talk next steps um does the minute taker

[1:42:38] Voice 2: have the motions has proposed hello

[1:42:42] Voice 8: hello i'm trying to put it together um it was a motion to

[1:42:48] Voice 8: To refer Stephen Croppers as of the Main Island Miners Bay Farmers Market Society's suggestion

[1:42:58] Voice 8: to the Main Island Parks Commission and the CRD for response?

[1:43:06] Voice 8: Yes.

[1:43:08] Voice 8: CRD for input?

[1:43:09] Voice 8: For

[1:43:10] Voice 2: input or response.

[1:43:11] Voice 2: For

[1:43:12] Voice 8: consideration maybe.

[1:43:13] Voice 8: For consideration.

[1:43:14] Voice 2: Much better.

[1:43:14] Voice 2: For consideration.

[1:43:15] Voice 2: For consideration.

[1:43:16] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:43:16] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:43:17] Voice 2: that the main island local trust committee request staff forward the letter uh from mr cropper to the

[1:43:24] Voice 2: main island parks commission and crd for consideration something like that that's good

[1:43:31] Voice 2: all right that sounds good uh do i have a seconder seconded by trust two mod and any more discussion

[1:43:37] Voice 2: all those in favor that is carried thank you and now next steps staff will forward that to those

[1:43:44] Voice 2: two bodies um you know the the main island parks has a plan and or their master plan rather

[1:43:52] Voice 2: although i do note that it's up to 2025 so i don't

[1:43:57] Voice 2: know if there is a proposal to

[1:44:01] Voice 2: you know redo the master plan or how that would all fit in but that would it sounds like it's up

[1:44:08] Voice 2: to them to then engage with us about that question and allowing the use.

[1:44:36] Voice 2: It's just a letter, it's not going to be, oh sorry, this would go within a week or two,

[1:44:44] Voice 2: i would think that's

[1:44:45] Voice 3: pretty good yeah that's what we're seeking here to get the ball rolling right

[1:44:51] Voice 2: and and if there was to be a bylaw amendment it could take some time because we're not going to do

[1:44:57] Voice 2: one piece of work by itself it would go on the list with all the others yeah so it's not a

[1:45:02] Voice 2: short and simple we were looking at it if it was to proceed to get it onto the work yeah yeah so

[1:45:07] Voice 2: So, great, and that also might open a bigger conversation about with parks commission about what should or shouldn't be happening in the different parks that would be the other question too.

[1:45:23] Voice 2: Yeah, that's great. Well, thank you for your input and sharing that with us today.

[1:45:32] Voice 2: Okay. So we'll proceed with the agenda and move into the one application, the rezoning for the St. John's Point Park.

[1:45:42] Voice 2: And yes, Kevin Weber is listed in the participants. If he could be promoted to be able to speak, that'd be great.

[1:45:55] Voice 3: Thank you. Yes, I'm online now.

[1:45:57] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:45:57] Voice 2: Okay, great. Thank you. And thanks for hanging in with us for a long first part of

[1:46:04] Voice 2: the meeting. I'm sure you were listening to every word. We had lots of great discussion.

[1:46:09] Voice 2: But I'll turn it over to Narissa to introduce the application and take us through it.

[1:46:14] Voice 2: Yeah, so this is a state point.

[1:46:17] Voice 2: Yeah, but I'm saying don't part.

[1:46:19] Voice 2: Don't part.

[1:46:20] Voice 2: for re-zoning and so this is coming forward for a second reading. First reading was at the

[1:46:32] Voice 2: previous meeting

[1:46:33] Voice 8: and

[1:46:35] Voice 2: since then it's gone up for referral to agencies and First Nations

[1:46:42] Voice 2: And in terms of feedback from the agencies, we heard that it doesn't impact, there was

[1:46:54] Voice 2: concerns related to most of the agencies that we had set foot to, which are listed on page

[1:47:00] Voice 2: 14.

[1:47:01] Voice 2: The Agricultural Land Commission did, however, identify that they would like the by-law to

[1:47:09] Voice 2: to refer very specifically to the hub area being contained to the area that they approved

[1:47:19] Voice 2: it to be contained to and that their resolution number be recorded in the bylaws for any future

[1:47:29] Voice 2: to reference. Right. So, so that that amendment suggestion has

[1:47:36] Voice 2: been added here on page 13 in italics. And, and then the

[1:47:45] Voice 2: recommendation that Bethany included is that the island

[1:47:54] Voice 2: stress policy statement of directors checklist are also

[1:47:57] Voice 2: been included in the package here and that was reviewed and this is not in contract

[1:48:06] Voice 2: it's not contrary or at variance with the policy statement and so if if we move through this

[1:48:13] Voice 2: there's there's an opportunity to move to public hearing at the next the next LTC meeting before

[1:48:23] Voice 2: for

[1:48:23] Voice 1: therapy okay

[1:48:27] Voice 2: so mr. Weber do you wish to address anything in this port or with

[1:48:36] Voice 2: the application thank

[1:48:39] Voice 3: you no I think there's a great job presenting okay

[1:48:43] Voice 2: trustees you have any questions yes so page

[1:48:48] Trustee Maude: 19 the actual map for the bylaw

[1:48:53] Trustee Maude: just concerned that the ELC concern portion isn't in the mapping because it

[1:49:03] Trustee Maude: refers to an area but it's not really clearly referenced so for me I would

[1:49:10] Trustee Maude: like to see that actually and and honestly you know I kind of liked what

[1:49:18] Trustee Maude: was rejected was the concept of actually having a third zone that actually does

[1:49:23] Trustee Maude: does clearly state and identify that, rather than just a statement and a non-existent map

[1:49:31] Trustee Maude: reference. So I don't know if you wanted to sort of tease that out a little bit more,

[1:49:35] Trustee Maude: but for clarity that-

[1:49:36] Voice 2: So what would the third zone be then?

[1:49:39] Trustee Maude: So this is

[1:49:39] Voice 2: ALR up here, and

[1:49:41] Voice 2: then it should

[1:49:41] Trustee Maude: state that.

[1:49:42] Trustee Maude: So that's all ALR.

[1:49:43] Trustee Maude: Right, with the exemption.

[1:49:44] Voice 2: And the portion, is it the exemption?

[1:49:46] Voice 2: Yeah, yeah.

[1:49:46] Voice 2: You just take the

[1:49:47] Trustee Maude: exemption part and make it as an

[1:49:49] Voice 2: exempted AL?

[1:49:51] Voice 2: deal so

[1:49:52] Trustee Maude: it just it it's kind of bureaucratically speaking it actually formally identifies

[1:49:59] Trustee Maude: and locks in that that that property right just for clarity for for people come after us because

[1:50:05] Trustee Maude: the map doesn't show it and it's just a statement and it refers to something else

[1:50:10] Trustee Maude: that isn't attached so either so either to me either we would create a third zone or we actually

[1:50:17] Trustee Maude: would attach the ALC decision so future people

[1:50:22] Voice 2: just have a

[1:50:23] Trustee Maude: quick reference but

[1:50:24] Voice 2: isn't that what we're going to do is attach the no

[1:50:26] Trustee Maude: we're just gonna make that

[1:50:27] Trustee Maude: statement

[1:50:27] Voice 2: referring something

[1:50:29] Voice 2: so we're really talking about the map what we're

[1:50:31] Trustee Maude: talking about the map of the thing that statement doesn't doesn't refer to

[1:50:35] Trustee Maude: anything right

[1:50:36] Voice 2: does it doesn't it as it should be on the map and then this you

[1:50:39] Voice 2: could make a note saying as shown on the map but we created in a whole new zone

[1:50:44] Voice 2: require taking that out of the ALC, like another application of the ALC or taking it out?

[1:50:49] Voice 6: No, so

[1:50:49] Voice 2: there's two options that I think you've identified. Now, one is that we do create the

[1:50:54] Voice 2: we create the additional zone and that's

[1:50:58] Voice 2: possible. The other one is that we just

[1:51:00] Voice 2: identify the location of the ALC that the ALC has approved for non-farm use. So those

[1:51:10] Voice 2: those are the two options that i'm hearing yeah yeah

[1:51:13] Trustee Maude: but but i would suggest that if if that

[1:51:16] Trustee Maude: option b is considered that the actual alc decision like that rather than quoting as a

[1:51:22] Trustee Maude: small portion that it's actually form as part of the bylaw because that is referring somebody to

[1:51:27] Trustee Maude: okay go find that decision like 10 years from now where are you going to dig that out

[1:51:31] Trustee Maude: Oh,

[1:51:31] Voice 2: several pages. The

[1:51:33] Voice 2: ALC decision, several pages.

[1:51:35] Voice 2: Really?

[1:51:36] Voice 2: Yeah. So, I mean, I think if it's...

[1:51:43] Voice 2: Of

[1:51:44] Trustee Maude: course, I don't think we ever saw that decision, so...

[1:51:46] Voice 2: It would have been in one of the packages.

[1:51:50] Voice 2: I

[1:51:50] Trustee Maude: might have missed it, but I don't ever...

[1:51:52] Voice 2: I'm happy to answer that directly.

[1:51:55] Voice 2: exactly um but i guess the question would be like um like what what is the preference

[1:52:04] Voice 2: between the two options that you've identified oh actually i've i've explained again to me how

[1:52:12] Voice 2: you're going to identify you to make the three zones well that's one of the options so that's

[1:52:16] Voice 1: maybe

[1:52:16] Voice 2: the cleanest option because that is well just i could see certainly on the map yeah it

[1:52:20] Voice 2: would be good to have something where there's alr question well it would just be another number

[1:52:25] Voice 2: right another number

[1:52:26] Voice 2: okay well i think that would help i think about the clarification it would be

[1:52:30] Voice 2: it would be a it would be a b because we've got a okay oh

[1:52:34] Voice 2: okay well then or a map yeah um

[1:52:40] Voice 1: yeah so it would just be um so

[1:52:47] Voice 2: basically so if you look at the map on page 22 yeah

[1:52:50] Voice 3: so

[1:52:50] Voice 2: you would have um rc oh okay yeah oh you'd

[1:52:55] Voice 2: have rc you'd have a yeah and then a a would be the

[1:52:59] Voice 2: tiny question. Yeah, I'd be happy to see that look that they're on the map. And

[1:53:06] Voice 1: then in the site

[1:53:07] Voice 1: specific, we can quote that. That seems the simplest to me.

[1:53:15] Voice 2: Okay. And I think I also heard

[1:53:17] Voice 2: that you'd like me to send it to you directly.

[1:53:20] Trustee Maude: Well, just out of curiosity, I just honestly

[1:53:22] Trustee Maude: don't remember ever seeing it. I

[1:53:24] Trustee Maude: know we heard back that the Air Force didn't have any concerns.

[1:53:28] Trustee Maude: I thought that was the extent of what we heard back in the next, I don't recall, but

[1:53:33] Voice 6: I see

[1:53:34] Trustee Maude: so many pieces of paper, you probably said it, you probably highlighted it, and you probably

[1:53:37] Trustee Maude: put a big star on it, and I probably still missed it.

[1:53:39] Voice 2: Maybe, maybe not, because I might have forgotten it too, who knows?

[1:53:42] Voice 2: I'll have a look.

[1:53:43] Voice 2: And anyways, we might have the second sentence until you go, and then I guess you just need

[1:53:50] Voice 2: passed a resolution to um to to add um aa as a third zone that's specific to the portion of land

[1:53:59] Voice 2: that um that was approved for non-farm use i thought aa

[1:54:05] Voice 2: was already there well it would it's

[1:54:07] Voice 2: only aa because it has those uses in it yeah so um so aa would become would become a very very small

[1:54:15] Voice 2: Right. So rather than designating the whole thing AA, you're

[1:54:19] Voice 2: reducing it to what?

[1:54:21] Voice 2: Okay, yeah, so AA would include the A, what's in the box there, the site-specific zone,

[1:54:32] Voice 2: that would apply very specifically to AA, which would be smaller, but A would still remain in that

[1:54:39] Voice 2: Yeah. Got property. Okay.

[1:54:42] Trustee Maude: To me, that's crystal clear

[1:54:44] Voice 2: how the motion is.

[1:54:48] Voice 2: But how do we change

[1:54:49] Voice 2: the motion? Yeah, I think I just so the line that I don't know if I so I guess it would

[1:54:56] Voice 2: be that the the resolution would be that the um um that the the zoning be changed to include

[1:55:09] Voice 2: uh so that to include a to identify a aa as the portion of the lot rate has been approved by the

[1:55:21] Voice 2: ALC for non-farm use okay so that has to be a separate motion yeah okay was approved but

[1:55:33] Voice 2: okay so

[1:55:34] Voice 3: that the zoning be

[1:55:35] Voice 2: amended to identify AA is the portion of the lot that was approved

[1:55:39] Voice 2: by the ALC for non-farm use correct yeah that's nice and clear okay

[1:55:42] Trustee Maude: so

[1:55:44] Voice 2: um uh Kath sorry is it

[1:55:49] Voice 2: Catherine sorry I believe yeah Catherine there hello so did you catch that um the main local

[1:55:58] Voice 2: trust committee direct staff or no moves moves yeah that the zoning be amended we should probably

[1:56:07] Voice 2: say on bylaw 195 no what is this yeah yeah actually

[1:56:12] Voice 1: bylaw that

[1:56:13] Voice 2: the reason but the zoning

[1:56:16] Voice 2: zoning on proposed bylaw number 194 195 okay why does it say bylaw number 194

[1:56:28] Trustee Maude: oh

[1:56:29] Voice 2: sorry thanks

[1:56:32] Trustee Maude: so 195c yeah that is

[1:56:35] Voice 2: only on proposed 195 be amended yeah identify a bracket a bracket a

[1:56:44] Voice 2: as the portion

[1:56:45] Voice 2: of the lot that was approved by the

[1:56:48] Voice 2: ALC for non-farm use

[1:56:51] Voice 2: I'll second that

[1:56:53] Voice 2: well I didn't move it

[1:56:54] Voice 2: okay moved by

[1:56:57] Voice 2: Trustee Maude

[1:57:00] Voice 2: seconded by Trustee Dodds

[1:57:02] Voice 2: and just checking

[1:57:03] Voice 2: the minute taker do you have that

[1:57:04] Voice 2: I can email it to you

[1:57:05] Voice 2: yes I do have that

[1:57:07] Voice 2: thanks so much

[1:57:09] Voice 2: and all those in favor

[1:57:11] Voice 2: that is carried

[1:57:13] Voice 2: Thank you. Sweet. And then do we want the map? Or that would modify the map?

[1:57:20] Voice 2: That would modify the map, yeah.

[1:57:22] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:57:22] Voice 2: Yeah, that's good.

[1:57:24] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:57:25] Trustee Maude: The planner's happy, that's good.

[1:57:26] Voice 2: We're ready?

[1:57:27] Voice 2: Works for me.

[1:57:28] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:57:29] Voice 2: I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee Draft By-law 194, cited as Main Island Official

[1:57:35] Voice 2: Community Plan By-law Number 144, 2007, Amendment Number 1, 2024, be read a second time.

[1:57:43] Trustee Maude: as

[1:57:44] Voice 2: amended as amended as amended thank you move and then second

[1:57:47] Voice 2: second of my trust oh no sorry oh

[1:57:51] Voice 2: that was one one money for you it's not amended it's

[1:57:53] Voice 3: not a minute oh

[1:57:54] Voice 2: yeah yeah sorry okay okay

[1:57:56] Voice 2: so the first one is just be read a second

[1:57:58] Voice 3: time thank

[1:57:59] Voice 2: you second thank you all those in favor

[1:58:04] Voice 2: that is carried move that the main island if you take the s off islands the main yeah we are the

[1:58:11] Voice 2: main island the main island local trust committee draft bylaw 195 as amended cited as main island

[1:58:19] Voice 2: land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number one 2024 be read for a second time seconded

[1:58:28] Voice 2: seconded by trusty ma all those in favor aye that is carried and you get the rest after this

[1:58:34] Voice 2: i move that an information note referencing the agricultural land commission's resolution

[1:58:38] Voice 2: resolution number 457 slash 2024 be included in the main island's local trust committee draft

[1:58:46] Voice 2: bylaw 195 as amended that right said as amended cited as main island land use bylaw number 146

[1:58:55] Voice 2: 2008 amendment number 1 2024 upon consolidation seconded by trustee mod any discussion all those

[1:59:05] Voice 2: in favor that is carried uh

[1:59:07] Trustee Maude: i move the main island local trust committee has reviewed the island's

[1:59:11] Trustee Maude: trust policy statement directives only checklist and determine the file number 194 said it is main

[1:59:16] Trustee Maude: island official community plan number 144 2007 amendment number one 2024 and byline not 195

[1:59:22] Trustee Maude: cited as main island land use byline number 146 2008 a member number one 2024 are not contrary

[1:59:29] Trustee Maude: or appearance without stress policy state second

[1:59:32] Voice 2: seconded by trustee dodds uh all those in favor

[1:59:35] Voice 2: that is carried and

[1:59:38] Trustee Maude: i move that the main local trust committee request staff to schedule a

[1:59:41] Trustee Maude: public hearing for bylaw draft bylaw 194 cited as main island official community plan bylaw number

[1:59:47] Trustee Maude: 144 2007 amendment number 1 2024 and draft bylaw 195 as amended and draft bylaw number

[1:59:56] Trustee Maude: 1905

[1:59:58] Trustee Maude: cited as

[2:00:00] Trustee Maude: land main island land use pilot number one four six amendment number one 2024.

[2:00:09] Voice 2: all those in favor and that is carried thank you trustees uh thank you planner uh both planners

[2:00:18] Voice 2: for your work for kevin lever and uh for your patience thanks

[2:00:23] Voice 6: very much everyone we look

[2:00:25] Voice 2: forward to construction to start soon. Especially the outhouse facility really, really is important.

[2:00:40] Voice 2: Yeah, that's 100%. Okay, so we'll turn to our local trust committee projects. 12 points.

[2:00:48] Voice 2: I would just like to get started. Yeah, request for resets. Yeah, I'm just going to go get

[2:00:53] Voice 2: three minutes thank you and

[2:00:59] Trustee Maude: we can run over and um

[2:01:00] Voice 6: okay

[2:01:03] Voice 2: so continuing we're into 12.1 the main

[2:01:07] Voice 2: island housing options project phase two uh looking at draft bylaws uh thank you so i think

[2:01:16] Voice 2: that that's going to move forward so we've got the draft bylaws here um um for first reading and

[2:01:24] Voice 2: this is getting to the end of our project, which was quite exciting, and I think the

[2:01:33] Voice 2: best way to proceed is probably to go through homepage31, the attachment, that's how you

[2:01:39] Voice 2: have them all listed, but I would also just want to bring your attention to some key ones

[2:01:44] Voice 2: that I feel like I need some direction on, because there were some questions.

[2:01:51] Voice 2: One was the expansion of complex housing zoning, so we can have some conversations about that.

[2:01:57] Voice 2: One specifically, and another one was related to the number of accessory buildings to permit in community service zones.

[2:02:07] Voice 2: We had some conversation about that, but we hadn't actually landed on, and that's like in the school zone, for example.

[2:02:13] Voice 2: And we allowed one. And

[2:02:17] Voice 2: so there is interest in allowing more or even in particular zones.

[2:02:23] Voice 2: And then the review of the criteria for the smaller, the small unit housing and the cluster zoning there.

[2:02:30] Voice 2: Those were the two that are sort of being presented for you. Size of units.

[2:02:35] Voice 2: I was wondering about, and also with the, there's a specific size of unit identified for the small unit housing, which is about

[2:02:45] Voice 2: over 500 square feet, 50 meters squared, whether I had questions with it, whether you wanted that or if you want to look at a combined floor area.

[2:02:54] Voice 2: So those were the kind of things that were kind of outstanding. And so we can just go through this methodically and then just stop when we get there.

[2:03:08] Voice 2: Yeah, so first of all, yes, the updated needs assessment. We are working on some language

[2:03:16] Voice 2: that will be updated. It's not in this package, but it's, you know, looking at what we received

[2:03:24] Voice 2: from the consultant and also putting some language around it around, you know, some

[2:03:29] Voice 2: of the things that we're missing from that and so forth. There's a provincial requirement

[2:03:33] Voice 2: for a specific number um but we're building some language around that and it's going to

[2:03:37] Voice 2: be consistent across the trust area so that will be done before we go to second reading

[2:03:42] Voice 2: um new definitions a definition of accessory uh residential unit has been added and that is a unit

[2:03:50] Voice 2: that is accessory to a non a non-residential use so um uh a commercial uh a residential

[2:04:00] Voice 2: accidental use of accessories, for example, or the service use, right, so the teachery

[2:04:09] Voice 2: would be an accessory to the

[2:04:12] Voice 2: plan for school purposes.

[2:04:19] Voice 2: And yeah, cottage has just been revised for consistency, again, we're trying to be consistent

[2:04:24] Voice 2: across the trust area. First Nations, we have had limited feedback with First Nations. We

[2:04:33] Voice 2: have sent letters on two different occasions related to this project. So those are the sort of

[2:04:42] Voice 2: soft those sort of contributing goals. So now diving into the actual change or additional

[2:04:49] Voice 2: additional change I guess definition by changes as well as the other language um so number three

[2:04:55] Voice 2: here um require worker housing for significant control rezonings um how are you feeling about

[2:05:02] Voice 2: that well realistically I don't know that we'll ever get a rezoning application I

[2:05:09] Voice 2: know but I do

[2:05:11] Voice 2: think we

[2:05:11] Voice 2: designated like Dixon Road as any commercial expansion and certainly if someone

[2:05:17] Voice 2: was proposing a small retail outlet anywhere then I think some kind of

[2:05:23] Voice 2: manager posing

[2:05:24] Voice 4: however

[2:05:25] Voice 2: yeah I think we need to do it I just don't very much

[2:05:28] Voice 2: it's going to happen mm-hmm

[2:05:31] Voice 2: but it would have been idea I mean and all of our

[2:05:33] Voice 2: exists all our commercial that's always existed then you can get a lot of

[2:05:37] Voice 2: choices yeah yes so I have a question of the car the note you got there about the

[2:05:44] Voice 2: the no direction to consider amendments to see to see five

[2:05:47] Voice 2: zones. Is there a reason that this

[2:05:54] Voice 2: Oh, yes. So that's about about adding resident additional

[2:06:01] Voice 2: residential use to those particular

[2:06:05] Voice 2: but they were left out because I don't remember the conversation

[2:06:11] Voice 2: station but it why were they excluded are we talking about the tourist accommodations yeah

[2:06:17] Voice 2: yeah we already have provision so every

[2:06:20] Voice 2: 10 units has to have one we

[2:06:22] Voice 2: did that years ago

[2:06:24] Voice 2: thanks when we reviewed all our tourists accommodation okay all's good and there

[2:06:28] Voice 2: again we're never going to get they never

[2:06:31] Voice 2: not my lifetime yeah yeah so this increased

[2:06:35] Voice 2: flexibility for residential using commercial areas um that's both in commercial three and

[2:06:41] Voice 2: commercial core and it's it's just really so there's been just a replacement of language

[2:06:52] Voice 2: there and the identification of the number of units is in there.

[2:07:01] Voice 2: Is there any questions about that one?

[2:07:04] Voice 2: Then the expansion of secondary suites, I think the decision was made to just expand it

[2:07:15] Voice 2: oh right so basically that just means removing schedule d which had previously just just allowed

[2:07:21] Voice 2: it in so that that one is much trickier because the water districts would be or technically that

[2:07:29] Voice 2: would be including all water districts it

[2:07:31] Voice 5: would be yeah

[2:07:31] Voice 2: and if we're going to do that we need to

[2:07:34] Voice 2: invite the water districts to a conversation yes well that will be referred to them okay

[2:07:40] Voice 2: and whether you

[2:07:41] Voice 2: want to uh i mean that's also up to you whether you want to specifically invite

[2:07:44] Voice 2: invite them to a conversation as well that's an option well it'll be easier to I think you

[2:07:52] Voice 2: pretty much would have to how we did it last time was we even had the building inspector

[2:07:58] Voice 2: CRD yeah

[2:07:59] Voice 2: come have that conversation with them again it's just you know they're under so much

[2:08:04] Voice 2: stress anyways I kind of wonder if we should just not do this right now not to do it right now yeah

[2:08:11] Voice 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

[2:08:12] Voice 2: suspect that for the uptake we would get in terms of secondary suites and the agony we

[2:08:22] Voice 1: would go through.

[2:08:23] Voice 2: So, question, is there, would there be a lot of areas to expand secondary suites that are not in the water districts? Like, I mean, is there still...

[2:08:34] Voice 2: Can you say that again?

[2:08:35] Voice 2: is there well this this initiative to expand secondary suites so that would mean that it all

[2:08:41] Voice 2: of us everything allows except the water districts right so we included

[2:08:45] Voice 2: them in oh this okay so right

[2:08:48] Voice 2: now they're all excluded yeah and to include them in is a significant increase in their potential

[2:08:56] Voice 2: population the irony is that most secondary suites are already in districts right so they already are

[2:09:03] Voice 2: operating without permission.

[2:09:05] Trustee Maude: And again of course we're pointing towards

[2:09:08] Trustee Maude: rainwater caching with this.

[2:09:10] Voice 2: Which of course is, but that's for new but that's

[2:09:13] Voice 2: and there again most of the properties are already built on so most people are

[2:09:20] Voice 2: going to be unable to upgrade to a building standard if they already have

[2:09:27] Voice 2: an operating secondary suite so yes

[2:09:31] Trustee Maude: to me like i i think we've missed the communication process

[2:09:34] Trustee Maude: with this because before this got this far it would have been nice to have had even a zoom

[2:09:40] Trustee Maude: meeting with just to get sort of an additive thumbs up because i think we might get pushback

[2:09:46] Trustee Maude: if we just throw this out as if without having any conversation because they're going to say

[2:09:50] Trustee Maude: ah we told you before no right um

[2:09:54] Trustee Maude: because without it without any context yeah yeah i think it's

[2:09:57] Trustee Maude: dangerous now

[2:09:59] Voice 2: is this something that we could add like to a work program so that next time we're

[2:10:04] Voice 2: doing land use because that would be then we have lots of time okay yep then that's what we should

[2:10:08] Voice 2: do yeah again i mean there's a few things you can do another time to style a review so you could add

[2:10:13] Voice 2: this yeah put it on the work program yeah okay yeah all right okay so am i hearing this correctly

[2:10:19] Voice 2: remove for now and put on um yeah uh like a future land use a bylaw review yeah because it's possible

[2:10:29] Voice 2: that for you know for some some of the water districts have quite large lots where they're

[2:10:34] Voice 2: actually allowed to have cottages like the one that deb foot put the tiny home on she was allowed

[2:10:39] Voice 2: to have a cottage it was large like an acre and a half so some properties whereas other properties

[2:10:45] Voice 2: or like less than a quarter of an acre very tiny right so okay um so expanding uh permitting uh

[2:10:56] Voice 2: accessory dwelling units on smaller lots or i mean cottages yeah okay it's basically like the

[2:11:03] Voice 2: way that it's working uh in the main bylaw is that the the first one is a cottage because that's the

[2:11:09] Voice 2: way the language is and more than that is a accessory dwelling unit the cottage is essentially

[2:11:15] Voice 2: an accessory dwelling unit but because there's covenants related that have the cottage language

[2:11:20] Voice 2: in it we have to retain the project um okay and so that's where um um the we've got the

[2:11:30] Voice 2: land use bylaw that permits the um the restricted floor area for um cottages or has a a combined

[2:11:39] Voice 2: find total floor area of dwelling and cottage. So just smaller dwellings, basically.

[2:11:48] Voice 2: So you're good with that?

[2:11:50] Voice 2: Yeah, that's good.

[2:11:52] Voice 2: Okay, so here we are with flex housing. So there's a large conversation today with the

[2:12:02] Voice 2: community and and we're basically talking about this map and the expansion

[2:12:10] Voice 2: potential. I mean I didn't hear anything about no don't include this lot or that

[2:12:18] Voice 2: lot.

[2:12:19] Trustee Maude: The conversation is more about areas that are outside of what we're

[2:12:23] Trustee Maude: looking at. The

[2:12:25] Voice 2: one fellow who happens to have a lot at Village Bay that was

[2:12:30] Voice 2: was two lots and previous owner amalgamated into one lot which made him think well I would

[2:12:36] Voice 2: still like to build my density and and that's a whole different told him maybe temporary

[2:12:42] Voice 2: use permit I think he can apply for one yeah he's supposed to send me an email but if but

[2:12:53] Trustee Maude: genuinely speaking at today's meeting I didn't hear any negativity towards us proposed no

[2:12:58] Voice 2: no one's saying I shouldn't be in.

[2:12:59] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[2:13:01] Voice 2: And so there were some,

[2:13:05] Voice 2: there was some language indicating,

[2:13:08] Voice 2: so again, if you were to expand it again, for example,

[2:13:10] Voice 2: we've got the language that reflects the criteria

[2:13:17] Voice 2: that we looked at before and it's now would be in the OCP.

[2:13:20] Voice 2: So that's page six and seven of the OCP.

[2:13:25] Voice 2: Sorry, I have a difficult time looking

[2:13:28] Voice 2: at the amending bylaws so I don't get

[2:13:30] Voice 2: the higher that the um so I'm I'll find for you two one one

[2:13:35] Voice 2: one two three one point one point three yeah um it's on page 35.

[2:13:49] Voice 2: yeah two point one point

[2:13:51] Voice 6: yeah

[2:13:51] Voice 2: there we go there's the language these are the criteria um housing should extend the

[2:13:56] Voice 2: expansion of they should exclude waterfront lots archaeological cultural sites and city

[2:14:01] Voice 2: So, I would say areas of important areas of...

[2:14:09] Voice 2: The language is critical to recharge areas.

[2:14:14] Voice 2: Yeah, because actually the whole item

[2:14:16] Voice 1: is a recharge.

[2:14:17] Voice 1: So,

[2:14:18] Voice 2: I would say critical areas of performable recharge.

[2:14:22] Voice 1: Going

[2:14:23] Voice 2: back to the... I've got to find the statement definition that we've got in there.

[2:14:28] Voice 2: maybe

[2:14:28] Voice 1: we should use that yeah that's a good idea

[2:15:05] Voice 2: groundwater so groundwater dependent ecosystems are defined as critical

[2:15:11] Voice 2: aquifer recharge areas that's what we should that's good critical aquifer recharge areas

[2:15:18] Voice 2: are

[2:15:26] Voice 3: you comfortable with that change no no

[2:15:30] Voice 1: yeah

[2:15:31] Voice 1: yeah.

[2:15:32] Voice 1: yeah.

[2:15:34] Voice 1: No.

[2:15:36] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:15:37] Voice 2: Okay, and

[2:15:38] Voice 6: then, did I hear that

[2:15:39] Voice 2: you're good with what's good for folks.

[2:15:44] Voice 2: yeah um okay allowing rezoning for non market housing and more than one more more than the one where it's allowing it in.

[2:16:02] Voice 2: in the service zone in particular.

[2:16:07] Voice 2: So

[2:16:08] Trustee Maude: just to be clear, the service zone includes the health center,

[2:16:11] Voice 2: the

[2:16:11] Trustee Maude: ambulance station, and the fire hall?

[2:16:13] Voice 2: Yep.

[2:16:13] Trustee Maude: Okay, excellent.

[2:16:14] Voice 2: Yep.

[2:16:15] Voice 2: So that was my question to you,

[2:16:16] Voice 2: if there were any particular zones that you thought we needed to expand that.

[2:16:24] Trustee Maude: I think I captured everything that's on my radar.

[2:16:26] Voice 2: Okay, yep.

[2:16:27] Voice 2: I would highlight that we talk about parks and community parks,

[2:16:33] Voice 2: that Maine has a very low, low, low, low percentage of parks. I

[2:16:38] Voice 2: mean I know that

[2:16:39] Voice 2: there are like Galliano. So I don't know that we have any parks that we want to give up.

[2:16:47] Trustee Maude: But that's a good thing. So you look at Cotton Park or St.

[2:16:50] Trustee Maude: John Point Park that had

[2:16:51] Trustee Maude: houses on

[2:16:52] Voice 2: them that were

[2:16:52] Trustee Maude: taken away because it wasn't allowed in the zoning.

[2:16:54] Trustee Maude: re-zoning. So that's

[2:16:56] Voice 2: the final CRD excuse. So

[2:17:02] Trustee Maude: for existing no, but maybe in the future

[2:17:06] Trustee Maude: if somebody donates

[2:17:07] Voice 2: 50 acres and has a

[2:17:08] Voice 2: house on it.

[2:17:09] Voice 2: That's an OCP change to allow rezoning for that particular area. So

[2:17:13] Voice 2: it's not being

[2:17:14] Voice 2: done that way. Like it is for the service area.

[2:17:19] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:17:20] Trustee Maude: So again, this is OCP. Yeah. So

[2:17:22] Trustee Maude: this is enabling, but

[2:17:24] Voice 1: it's not rezoning.

[2:17:25] Trustee Maude: For

[2:17:26] Voice 1: the OCP for parks,

[2:17:28] Trustee Maude: etc. Yeah.

[2:17:31] Trustee Maude: No, I think this is really, this is the ultimate flex housing.

[2:17:35] Voice 2: Yeah,

[2:17:35] Trustee Maude: pretty much. So

[2:17:36] Voice 2: it means you've got residential, you're permitting residential

[2:17:42] Voice 2: units, you were already permitting it in industrial one. And again, we're just changing

[2:17:46] Voice 2: to language accessibility residential unit there community service uh zone which is um

[2:17:54] Voice 2: um community service area uses that's the part that's the health center etc um that is

[2:18:03] Voice 2: adding an accessory unit dwelling unit into the zoning specifically um local service

[2:18:13] Voice 2: Yeah, so those are the two. And

[2:18:18] Voice 2: then in that, there was a unit

[2:18:28] Voice 3: added to Fernhill

[2:18:36] Voice 1: Road, S1A.

[2:18:48] Voice 2: That's one of the lots owned by the school district.

[2:18:54] Voice 2: Oh, okay. Yeah.

[2:18:58] Voice 2: used to have a house yeah yeah and then we've got the um the teacher is is with is still in there

[2:19:07] Voice 2: yeah so is that clear for you where those are being added yeah okay okay so coming to our next

[2:19:19] Voice 2: goal of diversity to expand expand residential use permissions for multi-unit development so this is

[2:19:28] Voice 2: where we're now looking at the cluster housing opportunities for there's two things here and

[2:19:35] Voice 2: um and this is where i can make the um distinction for you so i'm just looking in my bio here

[2:19:42] Voice 2: so

[2:19:42] Voice 1: i can look at the page um so

[2:19:49] Voice 2: we've got two things here so there's the ability to uh rezone

[2:19:52] Voice 2: for up to 10 units and this isn't necessary so there's a not necessarily tiny home option

[2:20:07] Voice 2: and then there is the tiny home option okay so they're similar but they're a little bit different

[2:20:11] Voice 2: in

[2:20:11] Voice 3: that well the

[2:20:13] Voice 2: tiny home option is very specific to the type of units right and size of unit

[2:20:17] Voice 2: so that was my question is whether you are wanting there to be any changes in the size

[2:20:24] Voice 2: restriction or if you want to see a maximum or you want to leave it as is for now i need to look in

[2:20:33] Voice 2: the actual bylaw i'm getting

[2:20:34] Voice 3: yes the consideration

[2:20:40] Voice 2: is 2162 216 2162 is for uh basically what we're

[2:20:49] Voice 2: calling cluster housing which is

[2:20:50] Voice 2: right is uh the ability to have multi-units clustered in an area

[2:20:55] Voice 2: that's sort of like your eco village kind of model

[2:20:58] Voice 3: um

[2:20:59] Voice 2: and then and then she won 2.1.6.4

[2:21:05] Voice 2: that's your that's your planning home village kind of situation waiting about the very small

[2:21:11] Voice 2: small much smaller units you know there's just a little wording funniness around here

[2:21:16] Voice 2: be managed by a non-not-for-profit organization personation body or an agency and rents prices

[2:21:25] Voice 2: This should be

[2:21:26] Voice 6: in a government agency.

[2:21:27] Voice 2: Yeah. Is it really different? What about non-profit?

[2:21:31] Voice 2: Non-profit,

[2:21:32] Voice 2: First Nations body, government agency,

[2:21:38] Voice 2: comma, with rents or end rents, with rents, prices, or 10-year security.

[2:21:45] Voice 2: Yeah, we could say with rents, prices, yeah that makes better sense.

[2:21:48] Voice 4: With,

[2:21:49] Voice 2: yeah, and then take out the R.

[2:21:52] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:21:54] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:22:01] Voice 2: The government agencies.

[2:22:03] Voice 2: The

[2:22:03] Voice 4: language is on

[2:22:04] Voice 2: page 37

[2:22:06] Voice 4: with

[2:22:09] Voice 2: the cluster housing.

[2:22:12] Voice 2: So this is also coming up with words as we move through all the projects and we're trying

[2:22:17] Voice 2: to make everything consistent.

[2:22:18] Voice 3: Yeah, yeah.

[2:22:18] Voice 3: So

[2:22:19] Voice 2: again, and this was on being on Denman and providing this authority too.

[2:22:24] Voice 2: So cluster housing, which is a very clever acronym, is this sort of eco-village kind of situation where you have shared buildings and shared land, essentially,

[2:22:38] Voice 2: and all that, and homes kind of in a, you know, you have three zones for that.

[2:22:42] Voice 2: that. And then there is what is specific to Maine right now was the request for this zone

[2:22:49] Voice 2: for this sort of small unit in a tiny village scenario. So that's the two different ones.

[2:23:00] Trustee Maude: So more like one's a standalone and one's more like commune, it's not the word, but

[2:23:06] Trustee Maude: a collective use of the property.

[2:23:09] Voice 2: Yeah. Well, and one of them could be like, I mean, I guess in both cases there could

[2:23:12] Voice 2: be shared only to be rented but um the the second one is very specific to a very specific type of

[2:23:20] Voice 2: a unit very small no i

[2:23:25] Trustee Maude: just think this this is very progressive well yeah

[2:23:30] Trustee Maude: it's

[2:23:30] Voice 2: all you guys are ahead ahead of the game it's great

[2:23:33] Voice 2: yeah and then you had requested that

[2:23:35] Voice 2: we provide like a draft zone and so that's been provided for you

[2:23:41] Voice 4: and

[2:23:42] Voice 2: so that corresponds

[2:23:43] Voice 2: corresponds with this small unit housing. That's the tiny home.

[2:23:48] Voice 2: S-U-R, Small Unit Reservations, okay.

[2:23:54] Trustee Maude: I just, I find this really neat to be involved at this level. And then,

[2:23:59] Trustee Maude: and then you see, I go to Denman and it says, oh, we just did on, on, on Maine,

[2:24:03] Trustee Maude: go to North Pender. Oh, we're doing it on Maine. And it's sort of,

[2:24:05] Trustee Maude: you're sort of following the wave sort of building.

[2:24:09] Voice 2: It's all rolling out. It's kind of awesome. Yeah. And yeah, yeah. I mean,

[2:24:13] Voice 2: names been up for the head the whole time great yeah yeah okay so you're feeling okay with those

[2:24:19] Voice 2: and i like the um the consideration of the worth of construction standards if that's really good

[2:24:28] Voice 2: language that it's either this pc building code or csa standards the manufacturer's homes are

[2:24:33] Voice 2: equivalent um because that actually the government is moving quite quickly to develop different

[2:24:42] Voice 2: different modules. You guys have to work. Are you? Okay. Well,

[2:24:46] Trustee Maude: you guys have to move, not us. We have

[2:24:49] Trustee Maude: to go home. Okay, so

[2:24:51] Voice 2: let's move right along. Yeah.

[2:24:52] Voice 2: So we got the draft, the draft

[2:24:54] Voice 2: zone. Great. The draft, you know, then the TUP guidelines

[2:25:01] Voice 2: for tiny homes. And we also added RVs as temporary dwellings

[2:25:08] Voice 2: so that they would also um those

[2:25:10] Voice 1: cpu guidelines would would um be applied there as well good with

[2:25:16] Voice 1: that those any

[2:25:19] Voice 2: questions okay um permit non not-for-profit housing in most of cpu

[2:25:24] Voice 2: so again that is again really increasing flexibility

[2:25:30] Voice 2: and permitting the reduction of parcel size to facilitate the donation of

[2:25:34] Voice 2: Yeah, for not profit, etc. cisterns. Did you want to keep the cistern size as in or?

[2:25:43] Voice 2: I think we should go with the amount that everybody else has. So that's gonna be, you know, that gives four months with no rain.

[2:25:51] Voice 2: Okay, so that so we did amend to 18.

[2:25:56] Voice 2: team. My children still have 2,000 tanks left, liters.

[2:26:01] Voice 2: Yeah, 5,000 gallons. Yeah. Okay, yeah,

[2:26:06] Voice 3: that's great.

[2:26:06] Voice 2: Okay. Then we've got the updated subdivision requirements, which is what we're

[2:26:12] Voice 2: kind of rolling out across the trust area. Prohibiting ground fed swimming pools is fairly

[2:26:18] Voice 2: straightforward. Establishing four area maximums where appropriate. And those four area maximums,

[2:26:26] Voice 2: So this is what you have to be confident with,

[2:26:32] Voice 2: is that you're OK with these maximums.

[2:26:35] Voice 2: Some people might get upset, perhaps.

[2:26:37] Voice 2: What's the maximum?

[2:26:38] Voice 2: It's corresponding with the flex housing combined floor is.

[2:26:44] Voice 2: 2,500?

[2:26:47] Voice 2: So it's different for the different size lots.

[2:26:50] Voice 2: OK.

[2:26:50] Voice 2: OK.

[2:26:52] Voice 2: Just trying to find out.

[2:27:07] Voice 3: Sorry.

[2:27:10] Voice 3: work

[2:27:14] Voice 1: yeah so it's just oh so okay so

[2:27:27] Voice 2: it's on page 41 where lots over three acres is 4750 square feet

[2:27:34] Voice 2: i don't know page 41 yeah yeah okay those are them well that's still pretty

[2:27:43] Voice 2: so pretty big yeah it's uh yeah 4750 and

[2:27:49] Trustee Maude: the thing is is that that is a line in the sand

[2:27:52] Trustee Maude: because you can apply for variance yeah so

[2:27:54] Trustee Maude: it's not a no just because that that was the great

[2:27:58] Voice 2: irony

[2:27:58] Trustee Maude: so

[2:28:00] Voice 2: thanks yeah yeah yeah oh

[2:28:02] Voice 2: yeah so there it is it's all it's all sketched out here in

[2:28:04] Voice 2: attachment five oh okay okay so it would

[2:28:09] Voice 2: be 2500 square feet for 1.5 acres 3 500 for um

[2:28:16] Voice 2: up to 3 acres and then 4,750 for 3 acres. So

[2:28:26] Voice 2: that'll be the max house size on the island.

[2:28:29] Voice 2: Unless

[2:28:30] Trustee Maude: you have a variance.

[2:28:31] Voice 2: Unless you have a variance,

[2:28:32] Trustee Maude: because maybe you

[2:28:32] Voice 2: have a very large family.

[2:28:34] Trustee Maude: Because that was literally the North Pender situation. I think we capped it somewhere around 3,800 square feet,

[2:28:41] Voice 3: and

[2:28:42] Trustee Maude: like a month later there was an application for it for a 12,000 square foot home.

[2:28:45] Trustee Maude: was approved

[2:28:45] Voice 3: yeah so wow

[2:28:48] Voice 2: that's not that's great shining um okay so

[2:28:52] Voice 2: there so that's uh

[2:28:55] Voice 2: so i've made note of the uh of the amendments um so if you want to go forward with um

[2:29:04] Voice 6: i

[2:29:05] Voice 2: have actually i just want to go back to the ground uh groundwater filled swimming pool

[2:29:11] Voice 3: yeah

[2:29:12] Voice 2: i was sort of um stuck on that for a moment and i didn't know why but prohibiting groundwater

[2:29:18] Voice 2: fed swimming pools does that imply that if somebody trucks in water from our violence yeah

[2:29:25] Voice 2: they're okay yeah they

[2:29:27] Voice 2: can have some are you

[2:29:29] Trustee Maude: pumping sea water or as long as you're not

[2:29:32] Trustee Maude: packing

[2:29:32] Voice 2: off your roof okay yeah yeah that's how

[2:29:38] Voice 2: you're going to enforce it yeah no nobody

[2:29:40] Voice 2: Nobody with a pool. Nobody with a pool uses their well to build their pool.

[2:29:44] Trustee Maude: No.

[2:29:46] Trustee Maude: Everybody, I'm saying, everybody I know who's got a pool, they're

[2:29:50] Trustee Maude: trucking it in.

[2:29:50] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:29:52] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[2:29:55] Trustee Maude: It's just, to me, the wording is just awkward because the groundwater...

[2:30:00] Trustee Maude: that sort of sounds to me like just a stream going into the yeah but

[2:30:05] Trustee Maude: i don't know if there's any i

[2:30:06] Trustee Maude: couldn't think of any better language when i wrap my head around it

[2:30:08] Voice 2: so well then it's also it's

[2:30:10] Voice 2: it's never been an issue to my knowledge in the last 20 years because people automatically even

[2:30:17] Voice 2: for hot tub spring water yeah yeah

[2:30:19] Voice 2: i mean people are so really quite well educated

[2:30:24] Voice 2: there might be a few and i was gonna say we talk about water and worry

[2:30:30] Voice 2: about water and the main

[2:30:31] Voice 2: in exists on that 25 000 gallon well storage it has 18 units of housing

[2:30:40] Voice 2: but

[2:30:41] Trustee Maude: i think that's the one thing that i've been told time to anecdotally is when you do rainwater

[2:30:47] Trustee Maude: catchment your water consumption goes way down right because

[2:30:50] Trustee Maude: you're looking at your tank and

[2:30:51] Trustee Maude: you're watching that line go down you're going sure

[2:30:53] Voice 3: so

[2:30:54] Trustee Maude: it's actually you know above anything

[2:30:56] Trustee Maude: anything else it is it is a really good water conservation practice yeah

[2:31:00] Voice 2: no i agree acquired

[2:31:05] Voice 2: retroactively on all bills but yes anyways

[2:31:09] Voice 2: um great is there anything else so did we change

[2:31:13] Voice 2: all minimum cistern capacities or because some were over and under depending on how big the

[2:31:19] Voice 2: house was uh the cisterns were all one standard no there's

[2:31:30] Voice 3: there's a few

[2:31:31] Voice 2: different um well because

[2:31:34] Voice 2: Because realistically, if you built a 400 square foot,

[2:31:38] Voice 2: which you could, the building .

[2:31:41] Voice 2: So the

[2:31:41] Voice 1: difference between the second.

[2:31:43] Voice 2: So we haven't.

[2:31:46] Voice 2: Go ahead.

[2:31:46] Voice 2: Yeah, the system requirements, you got one and two.

[2:31:49] Voice 2: If it's smaller than 1,000 square feet,

[2:31:54] Voice 2: it was requiring 13,000.

[2:31:56] Voice 2: Whereas the other one is .

[2:31:59] Voice 2: Oh, because we already had the 18,000 for the large.

[2:32:02] Voice 2: for larger, yeah, new dwell in a secondary suite larger than is currently 18,000.

[2:32:12] Voice 2: Yeah, okay. Oh,

[2:32:13] Voice 3: right, I already

[2:32:14] Voice 2: did think that sometimes, sorry. So it's the 3,000 just for the smaller,

[2:32:21] Voice 2: it's a hundred thousand, that's a hundred, it's a thousand per feet or smaller? Yeah.

[2:32:28] Voice 2: Yeah. Do we, do you want to change that for smaller? Or smaller, and

[2:32:37] Voice 2: a thousand per feet or smaller?

[2:32:39] Voice 2: smaller? Well, it's

[2:32:40] Voice 3: already there. It's

[2:32:41] Voice 2: already there. So, Janine, it would be whether they're

[2:32:45] Voice 2: both reading 18,000, regardless of the size of the house. So, if it's 1,000 square feet

[2:32:51] Voice 2: or larger, it's already requiring 18,000. If it's smaller than 18,000. What page has

[2:32:57] Voice 2: it got? 41. System requirements.

[2:33:01] Trustee Maude: In my experience with rainwater, 3,000 gallons a lot. So, for

[2:33:08] Trustee Maude: me i'm comfortable with those two differences um

[2:33:13] Voice 4: i

[2:33:15] Trustee Maude: just like like i started out my first cistern

[2:33:19] Trustee Maude: was 1500 gallons and i know and i had no problem

[2:33:23] Voice 4: i

[2:33:24] Trustee Maude: don't know how many thousand gallons i'm at right

[2:33:26] Trustee Maude: now but i've always kept a huge comfort level and let's just say 1500 gallons on my cottage

[2:33:33] Trustee Maude: like for five years it's just fine

[2:33:36] Voice 4: so that's twice

[2:33:38] Voice 2: three tanks and one of them's half down

[2:33:41] Voice 2: period the other two are full and that's two people but they just want you yeah yeah so i mean

[2:33:48] Voice 2: i think i think we over depends where you are and it depends how much water you

[2:33:52] Voice 2: you use right when you're showering every day well so so am i hearing just keep it

[2:34:03] Trustee Maude: Yeah, because we're in the process.

[2:34:06] Voice 3: So

[2:34:06] Trustee Maude: it's like the policy statement.

[2:34:09] Trustee Maude: We're putting something on paper, and if we get a bunch of pushback,

[2:34:13] Trustee Maude: but in my personal experience, 1,500 gallons is more than enough for me.

[2:34:20] Voice 2: Okay, yeah.

[2:34:21] Voice 2: Yeah. Well, as Michael said, two people and they use, what, 12, yeah, 1,000, 1,255 gallons

[2:34:31] Voice 2: a month.

[2:34:32] Voice 2: Yeah. So maybe the second one, the building permits being issued for any dwelling or cottage,

[2:34:40] Voice 2: this one is minimum capacity of 3,000 gallons for each additional dwelling.

[2:34:46] Voice 2: Yes.

[2:34:48] Voice 2: There's more.

[2:34:50] Voice 2: No, but this second one?

[2:34:51] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:34:52] Voice 3: related to

[2:34:53] Voice 2: the secondary suites in the minor bay comprehensive zone is that just because those are

[2:35:00] Voice 2: for new notice so that one is for new secondary suites doesn't add over there

[2:35:05] Voice 2: oh uh yeah for lots outside um so this is outside the water system um for any new secondary suites

[2:35:14] Voice 2: for for smaller uh for any new dwelling or secondary suite that's smaller than a thousand

[2:35:24] Voice 2: square feet, that's where the small

[2:35:27] Voice 1: capacity helps to stratify.

[2:35:32] Voice 2: Yeah, I'm in another section now. Page 41.

[2:35:36] Voice 2: That's where I am. Yeah, we're looking at the same thing.

[2:35:39] Trustee Maude: Do we turn?

[2:35:40] Voice 2: Oh, is it? Oh, yeah, lower down. Yeah.

[2:35:42] Voice 2: All right.

[2:35:43] Voice 2: Second last paragraph.

[2:35:47] Voice 1: I

[2:35:51] Voice 2: mean, that might be for all the smaller streets.

[2:36:10] Voice 1: oh yeah yeah okay that that is that's sorry yeah okay so you've just you pointed to uh

[2:36:39] Voice 1: there's an inconsistency is that yeah

[2:36:42] Voice 1: i think it's an inconsistency between um

[2:36:47] Voice 1: the building permit required for for any new ground that's larger is a larger consistent

[2:36:57] Voice 1: system requirement and the

[2:37:00] Voice 2: ones that are smaller the smaller system requirement so this is

[2:37:06] Voice 2: so we need to that needs to be reflected reflected in this 3.2 it's not reflected it's just speaking

[2:37:13] Voice 2: to the smaller system so

[2:37:17] Voice 1: that that looks like it's a holdover from the previous okay so

[2:37:22] Voice 1: so i can make that correction okay so

[2:37:28] Trustee Maude: and to be clear that our language is really good about

[2:37:32] Trustee Maude: short-term vacation rentals yes

[2:37:35] Voice 2: no dwellings may be used for short-term vacation rentals

[2:37:38] Trustee Maude: so it's the

[2:37:39] Voice 2: point that was made on that is that what happens when people forget half the

[2:37:45] Voice 2: dwellings are seasonal users and so if i let my cousins or my whatever neighbors use it

[2:37:52] Voice 2: even if they're paying me it's not commercial and the reality is if five people live there

[2:37:57] Voice 2: year-round or five people just go in summer still the same amount of water

[2:38:04] Trustee Maude: it's more of a loss and i think where people lose the context is it's more about if it's

[2:38:11] Trustee Maude: short-term vacation and

[2:38:12] Voice 2: it's not in the rental pool

[2:38:14] Voice 2: but it's also not

[2:38:15] Voice 2: the neighborhood in that

[2:38:16] Voice 2: there's a constant turnover of people but the fact is if a piece of land has a house on it

[2:38:21] Voice 2: the actual impact and use of the house activity. You can't force people to rent a house.

[2:38:29] Voice 2: But one cottage is still allowed if it's over four and a half acres?

[2:38:35] Voice 2: You're allowed to have a cottage on one acre. No, sorry, a

[2:38:38] Voice 2: cottage for short-term vacation

[2:38:40] Voice 2: rental. Yes, you currently are allowed for a cottage as a home occupation. So far,

[2:38:47] Voice 2: far most of them seem to be home occupations okay

[2:38:51] Voice 3: all

[2:38:53] Voice 2: right any other thing yeah so basically the

[2:39:00] Voice 2: bylaws would be saying that so anywhere that we've added any additional units any of those

[2:39:05] Voice 2: additional units so right now I've got your one cottage that's permitted that's going to be at

[2:39:10] Voice 2: use now we've added a cottage to smaller smaller things but that's not permitted to be vacation

[2:39:16] Voice 2: Yeah. And anything above that one cottage is not going

[2:39:20] Voice 3: to be a vacation.

[2:39:21] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:39:23] Voice 6: Hmm.

[2:39:24] Voice 6: It

[2:39:30] Voice 2: would be helpful to see a chart at some point.

[2:39:34] Voice 2: Like rather than the language of a parcel of less than four hectares, like actually putting a chart in, which is what the South Fender LTC did because they had all these minimums, maximums pre this bylaw amendment, post that bylaw amendment.

[2:39:52] Voice 2: It's, it could be helpful to have, you know, acreage, what is permitted for gunman land

[2:40:05] Voice 2: use bylaw did that.

[2:40:06] Voice 2: And it's a total, fully total challenge.

[2:40:10] Voice 2: Right?

[2:40:11] Voice 2: Yeah, that's strictly how it is.

[2:40:13] Voice 2: And we will be changing to this word.

[2:40:17] Voice 2: So that is that the whole different way of doing it?

[2:40:21] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:40:21] Voice 2: Yeah, it's all right. So let's not go down that path can

[2:40:25] Voice 3: work. Yes. And

[2:40:27] Voice 2: I farm this.

[2:40:33] Voice 2: Secondary suite has been constructed.

[2:40:44] Voice 3: So we're good to go with motions, you

[2:40:51] Voice 2: know that that one chain minimum average lot areas.

[2:40:58] Voice 2: Yeah, I think. Yeah.

[2:41:00] Voice 3: Yeah, I guess that's what it is.

[2:41:01] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:41:03] Voice 2: Yes.

[2:41:07] Voice 2: Wow.

[2:41:08] Voice 2: Well, thank you for this huge amount of work.

[2:41:10] Voice 2: Yes.

[2:41:10] Voice 2: Well done, Main Island.

[2:41:12] Voice 2: So the

[2:41:13] Trustee Maude: motion says as directed, so we don't have to do any, as amended or anything.

[2:41:17] Voice 2: I may know.

[2:41:18] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[2:41:18] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:41:21] Voice 2: Yes.

[2:41:22] Voice 2: Perfect.

[2:41:22] Voice 2: Go ahead.

[2:41:23] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:41:23] Voice 3: So

[2:41:24] Trustee Maude: I'll move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee request staff update file is number

[2:41:27] Trustee Maude: 196.

[2:41:28] Trustee Maude: So that is Main Island Official Community File Number 144-2007.

[2:41:32] Trustee Maude: 2007 amendment number one 2025 now and number one nine and should it be bylaw number one one nine

[2:41:41] Trustee Maude: seven and bylaw number one nine seven site is main island land use bylaw number one four six 2008

[2:41:46] Trustee Maude: amendment number one 2025 as directed at the july 28 2025 ltc meeting

[2:41:52] Voice 2: moved seconded by trustee

[2:41:55] Voice 2: dots any further discussion all those in favor yay that is scary and

[2:42:01] Trustee Maude: i'll move to the main island

[2:42:01] Trustee Maude: local cross committee request staff return violence number 196 said is main island the

[2:42:06] Trustee Maude: fisher community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number one 2025 and bylaw number

[2:42:13] Trustee Maude: 197 cited as main island land use bylaw 146 2008 amendment number one 2021 to the ltc

[2:42:23] Voice 3: Oh my

[2:42:23] Trustee Maude: god, 2025 to the LTC for consideration of a first reading.

[2:42:29] Voice 2: Excellent. Seconded by Trustee Dodds. Any discussion? All those in favour? That is carried.

[2:42:35] Voice 2: And

[2:42:35] Trustee Maude: the meditator will note that I did deviate from the motions because it should say by-law number 197, so I put by-law in front of number 197.

[2:42:44] Trustee Maude: Yes,

[2:42:45] Voice 4: I've

[2:42:47] Voice 8: got that. Thank you.

[2:42:48] Trustee Maude: Excellent.

[2:42:51] Voice 8: okay

[2:42:52] Voice 2: how are we

[2:42:57] Trustee Maude: we're getting into the difficult

[2:42:59] Trustee Maude: violence coming up

[2:43:01] Trustee Maude: we're going to be here all night

[2:43:04] Voice 3: oh dear

[2:43:07] Trustee Maude: I just scared these guys

[2:43:09] Voice 1: it's cool

[2:43:13] Voice 1: housing

[2:43:15] Voice 1: projects

[2:43:15] Voice 1: I think

[2:43:20] Voice 3: we're clearing all this

[2:43:21] Voice 2: why don't we just do a biologics variant

[2:43:30] Voice 2: let's go chairs report well um

[2:43:37] Voice 2: i

[2:43:38] Voice 3: think

[2:43:40] Voice 2: we can report the only thing i'm really going to report on is the very exciting news that

[2:43:45] Voice 2: trust council meets tomorrow tuesday july 29th for a special meeting for

[2:43:51] Trustee Maude: a seven hour special

[2:43:52] Trustee Maude: for

[2:43:53] Voice 2: seven hours and do they have a quorum and scene and we will hopefully have a quorum trustees

[2:43:59] Voice 2: please rattle the trees pages where your trustees are just kidding um to consider uh first reading

[2:44:07] Voice 2: of the policy statement and um so chair patrick may be uh in transit i'm a backup chair it's going

[2:44:18] Voice 2: to be a wonderful meeting and very productive and i'm convinced we'll get to the stated goal which

[2:44:25] Voice 2: is to get the draft out to community and all the other agencies for public comments so um if first

[2:44:32] Voice 2: reading is achieved tomorrow um there will be a six month referral period um and lots of information

[2:44:39] Voice 2: coming out we've reviewed an executive committee a number of informational materials a big survey

[2:44:46] Voice 2: will be going out to all trust area residents and anyone who wants to

[2:44:51] Voice 2: comment on it I am really impressed at the work that has gone into it it has

[2:44:57] Voice 2: been debated intensely minutely and and the goal is to keep the policies robust

[2:45:06] Voice 2: but really with a view to the future what is what is going to be the

[2:45:13] Voice 2: um supporting document to enshrine the values in the trust area and i think i think it will

[2:45:20] Voice 2: achieve that so um on the conservancy side we have had our joint ltc or sorry rather itc

[2:45:29] Voice 2: executive committee uh met jointly last week uh july 22nd um we were anticipating uh an in-person

[2:45:38] Voice 2: presentation by members of Cowichan tribes who were going to talk about some

[2:45:47] Voice 2: ideas around governance and collaborative governance in their

[2:45:51] Voice 2: territories and unfortunately due to separate challenges and and other other

[2:46:00] Voice 2: things that came up very last minute that was not that didn't happen so we

[2:46:05] Voice 2: We had a very surprise talk.

[2:46:07] Voice 2: We just had to discuss something together.

[2:46:09] Voice 2: So we talked about mapping resources.

[2:46:11] Voice 2: That's been a real focus for both the Conservancy and in planning, of course.

[2:46:17] Voice 2: All the technology and the maps that we rely on to direct future planning and uses is really

[2:46:25] Voice 2: critical, and we've been hearing there are a lot of gaps.

[2:46:29] Voice 2: And so the Conservancy Board, which is hosting the meeting, crafted a resolution to request that Trust Council consider prioritizing updating mapping resources so that we can do the growth management and indicators of ecosystem health as directed in our strategic plan.

[2:46:53] Voice 2: So the Conservancy is quite strong on that and looked for support from the Executive Committee.

[2:47:01] Voice 2: Yeah, and I don't have any other, there's lots of meetings going on.

[2:47:05] Voice 2: Programs Committee meets on the 30th.

[2:47:10] Voice 2: We continue on with our work.

[2:47:12] Voice 2: Over to you, Trustees.

[2:47:15] Voice 2: Any reports out?

[2:47:17] Trustee Maude: Okay, well, I guess the only thing amongst all the islands is there's been a recent concern

[2:47:24] Trustee Maude: about um the lack of mowing on the shoulders of the of the roads um apparently um the contractors

[2:47:32] Trustee Maude: tractor broke down

[2:47:33] Voice 3: and of

[2:47:35] Trustee Maude: course i for some reason they seem to think nobody else has a mower so

[2:47:40] Trustee Maude: they've delayed and now of course we're into extreme it's not and

[2:47:45] Trustee Maude: so it's not going to happen

[2:47:46] Trustee Maude: this year

[2:47:46] Voice 3: right um

[2:47:47] Trustee Maude: we unfortunately um main island being as resourceful as we are we've

[2:47:52] Trustee Maude: imported a bunch of deer so our shoulders actually aren't too bad oh um

[2:47:56] Trustee Maude: versus if you go

[2:47:57] Trustee Maude: to pender or

[2:47:59] Trustee Maude: salt spring or galliano or saturn it's high um

[2:48:04] Trustee Maude: to so it presents hazards like to our small ponds

[2:48:10] Trustee Maude: who tend to hide in the grass and then pop out at the last second

[2:48:13] Trustee Maude: um it means that people can't walk on the shoulder um it means an extreme fire risk also so

[2:48:20] Trustee Maude: So, Trustee Boland on Saturna is coordinating a meeting amongst all the trustees, which hopefully will be coming up to work with Ministry and MCON.

[2:48:31] Trustee Maude: And it's not going to solve this year, but going to talk about next year.

[2:48:36] Voice 2: Because

[2:48:36] Trustee Maude: this is, this is what, the third or fourth year?

[2:48:39] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[2:48:39] Voice 2: ever since MCON has done a terrible job of the shoulders, yeah, not consistent at all.

[2:48:44] Voice 2: So

[2:48:45] Trustee Maude: that's the big thing.

[2:48:46] Trustee Maude: I just, we have been enjoying wonderful weather.

[2:48:49] Trustee Maude: the kids have been having a great time and so you know we remain a very bright and vibrant

[2:48:56] Trustee Maude: resilient community so sunshine and happiness yes

[2:49:00] Voice 3: so

[2:49:01] Trustee Maude: now for Dusty Dodds to build on that

[2:49:04] Trustee Maude: so

[2:49:05] Voice 2: I attended the uh the unveiling of the information plots whale trail plots which

[2:49:10] Voice 4: have been

[2:49:10] Voice 2: installed at the Georgia and Point Lighthouse station and

[2:49:14] Voice 2: of course the benches

[2:49:15] Voice 2: that were created by um bear horn are spectacular and the interesting thing and i had forgotten but

[2:49:21] Voice 2: when when parks canada was working with with bear as to where they were going to locate

[2:49:27] Voice 2: all this installation there still was a very ugly huge metal building sitting

[2:49:32] Voice 2: right at the perfect spot on shoreline and

[2:49:35] Voice 2: by some miracle coast coast guard came along and

[2:49:39] Voice 2: said well we don't need it anymore it's redundant and so they removed it it's quite a large there's

[2:49:44] Voice 2: a large cement platform under it quite large like 12 by 12. like

[2:49:48] Voice 2: on the beach no on the rocky shore

[2:49:50] Voice 2: there's no beach there it's all rock anyways so the installation is right on the perfect spot

[2:49:55] Voice 2: so the

[2:49:56] Voice 2: whole ceremony was spectacular wonder couldn't hear much sadly but the key point was

[2:50:02] Voice 2: when the drummer was drumming his song from the back of the crowd was there's the whales are

[2:50:08] Voice 2: coming and it was like this miraculous everybody was like usually the drumming stopped and

[2:50:15] Voice 2: everybody ran further down but they were big they were big so anyways it was a lovely ceremony

[2:50:20] Voice 2: wow and the information the whale trail of course is the galliano has one on their side of the pass

[2:50:26] Voice 2: it's all the way from high the guay all the way down coast to california okay you say so and it

[2:50:31] Voice 2: explains all about whales so then last this sunday they had a presentation on the clam gardens

[2:50:38] Voice 2: So Carl Olson came over

[2:50:39] Voice 2: and was a part of Canada. These are their educational

[2:50:41] Voice 2: programs. And finally,

[2:50:43] Voice 2: solved a mystery for me, because I always wondered,

[2:50:46] Voice 2: but Oyster Bay, which is on a Georgina

[2:50:48] Voice 2: Point side of the island, was

[2:50:50] Voice 2: a clam garden. When you looked

[2:50:52] Voice 2: at it, it was like, but not,

[2:50:53] Voice 2: they're mostly focusing on the Salt Spring

[2:50:55] Voice 2: and Russell Island clam gardens,

[2:50:57] Voice 2: which are up to 4,000 years old

[2:51:00] Voice 2: in Ottawa. So it was interesting,

[2:51:02] Voice 2: and they even serve plants.

[2:51:03] Voice 2: Who's leading that? Perth Canada.

[2:51:06] Voice 2: So

[2:51:06] Voice 4: it's part of their, they do

[2:51:07] Voice 4: Do you,

[2:51:07] Voice 2: same at East Point, on Saturna and on Panther,

[2:51:11] Voice 2: do you like an education program?

[2:51:13] Voice 2: Finally, our Lighthouse Park, which has been neglected for years,

[2:51:18] Voice 2: they're finally doing these four Sunday presentations,

[2:51:21] Voice 2: utilizing the Southern Gulf Island Arts Council

[2:51:28] Voice 4: and

[2:51:28] Voice 2: the Main Island Conservancy in conjunction with Parks Canada

[2:51:31] Voice 2: to do educational programs, some art-based supporting programs,

[2:51:36] Voice 2: and then the Conservancy's representative as well.

[2:51:40] Voice 2: So for, say, many years, it was quite neglected out there.

[2:51:44] Voice 2: So now it sounds like they're actually going to be utilizing that area

[2:51:48] Voice 2: for educational programs.

[2:51:50] Voice 2: Yeah, so that was my two Sundays.

[2:51:52] Voice 2: And then I just wanted a little plug.

[2:51:56] Voice 2: Johnny Aiken and Jess Willows are two Maine Islanders,

[2:51:59] Voice 2: and they produced this book.

[2:52:00] Voice 2: They have another one underway, Two Tricksters.

[2:52:03] Voice 2: but johnny was telling me that it's a bestseller because it is specifically geared to the grade

[2:52:10] Voice 2: four age group and there aren't a lot of books that are

[2:52:13] Voice 2: actually geared to the age group very

[2:52:15] Voice 2: inexpensive 8.95 if you can find it somewhere i haven't read the whole thing yet but

[2:52:21] Voice 2: uh he was

[2:52:23] Voice 2: johnny was telling me they go they've done lots of presentations and they went to one school and

[2:52:28] Voice 2: were all of the he was amazed at the questions the kids had and so this is really grabbing the eye

[2:52:33] Voice 2: of kids of

[2:52:34] Voice 2: that age group

[2:52:35] Voice 4: so

[2:52:36] Voice 2: highly recommended if you find it to choose tricksters find friendship

[2:52:40] Voice 2: and it's kind of based on main island and two kids one of course being settler one being first

[2:52:46] Voice 2: nations

[2:52:46] Voice 4: working

[2:52:47] Voice 2: together so they have done really well with their books they're quite thrilled also

[2:52:52] Voice 2: that was really cool i thought that was enough that's really cool about the clown gardens i

[2:52:58] Voice 2: I have heard that oysters were imported or introduced and they took over.

[2:53:05] Voice 2: Well, and the oysters, they filter the water.

[2:53:07] Voice 2: So it's like your vegetable garden.

[2:53:09] Voice 2: You have a certain layer and then, of course,

[2:53:11] Voice 2: they have to work the sand to keep it functioning.

[2:53:14] Voice 2: And then because you create, I would say, it's a protected area.

[2:53:18] Voice 2: So my guess is it's a bit warmer.

[2:53:20] Voice 2: So the clams grow bigger.

[2:53:21] Voice 2: Then you've got the other, like in the rock wall,

[2:53:24] Voice 2: you get the octopus and all the other.

[2:53:26] Voice 2: so it's a full layer of all the different

[2:53:28] Voice 4: food

[2:53:30] Voice 2: stuff that you get in the

[2:53:31] Voice 2: ocean and I think it's

[2:53:33] Voice 2: I think it's Fulford or Russell Island was stated

[2:53:37] Voice 4: to be about

[2:53:37] Voice 2: 4,000 years old

[2:53:38] Voice 4: so

[2:53:39] Voice 2: fascinating I mean there's no the lighthouse didn't have that kind of beach

[2:53:45] Voice 2: okay so we're gonna let's move through the rest we've got a conservancy report that's actually

[2:53:51] Voice 2: quite a good one. Just wanted to note on that, just to make sure it's the right, oh,

[2:53:59] Voice 2: this is the report I was thinking of. Apparently, we have finally purchased or are getting a CRM

[2:54:11] Voice 2: software, which this was on another report, and I don't know, I don't see it here. But

[2:54:17] Voice 2: this has been really key because we don't have a consistent software across the trust area.

[2:54:23] Voice 2: to the data gates, all of our contacts.

[2:54:27] Voice 2: Keep everything consistent anyway.

[2:54:31] Voice 2: Let's move to our media procedures bylaw.

[2:54:38] Voice 2: Okay, so I suppose I should introduce this.

[2:54:41] Voice 2: Trust Council approved bylaw number 197

[2:54:46] Voice 2: at the June Trust Council meeting,

[2:54:49] Voice 2: which supersedes all local trust committee

[2:54:51] Voice 2: meeting procedures bylaws.

[2:54:52] Voice 2: and so um this is a request that the uh main local trust committee repeal its own meeting

[2:55:02] Voice 2: procedure bylaws um i haven't been through your own meeting procedures to make sure they

[2:55:07] Voice 2: there's nothing's been lost but if anything there's probably more procedural uh elements

[2:55:15] Voice 2: in the trust council bylaws so i don't think anything is going to be lost it might just

[2:55:21] Voice 2: just harmonize and synthesize some of our processes, which is a goal of the Island Trust.

[2:55:26] Voice 2: So, if trustees, you'd like to go ahead.

[2:55:30] Voice 2: I take that with the trust at the Trust Council.

[2:55:33] Voice 2: I move that the Maine Island Local Trust Committee give bylaw number 198,

[2:55:37] Voice 2: cited as Maine Island Local Trust Committee meeting procedures repeal bylaw number 198, 2025, first reading.

[2:55:46] Voice 2: So moved and seconded by Trustee Maud.

[2:55:49] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[2:55:51] Voice 2: That is carried.

[2:55:52] Voice 2: i moved that the main island local trust committee give bylaw number 198 cited as

[2:55:56] Voice 2: main island local trust meeting procedures repeal bylaw number 198 2025 second

[2:56:04] Voice 2: uh seconded by trustee maude all is in favor that is carried move that the main island local

[2:56:10] Voice 2: trust committee give bylaw number 198 said it is made on the local trust committee meeting

[2:56:15] Voice 2: procedures repeal bylaw number 198 2025 third reading moved seconded by trustee mod any

[2:56:22] Voice 2: discussion all those in favor that is carried and that the main island local trust committee

[2:56:28] Voice 2: give bylaw number 198 cited its main island local trust committee meeting procedures repeal

[2:56:34] Voice 2: bylaw number 198 2025 to the island's trust executive committee for consideration of approval

[2:56:41] Voice 2: moved seconded all those in favor and that is carried you

[2:56:45] Trustee Maude: know the next executive committee

[2:56:47] Trustee Maude: meeting

[2:56:47] Voice 2: is going to be very busy we actually have a public notification by law oh my gosh

[2:56:52] Voice 2: i haven't seen this before so we've

[2:56:56] Trustee Maude: done them all the islands now so this is the last one

[2:56:58] Trustee Maude: our southern islands oh

[2:57:00] Voice 2: great all right do you want to take this one okay

[2:57:02] Trustee Maude: the main local trust

[2:57:03] Trustee Maude: committee give bylaw number 199 said it has been on land use local trust committee public

[2:57:09] Trustee Maude: Public Notification By-law No. 199-2025, first reading.

[2:57:15] Voice 2: Seconded.

[2:57:16] Voice 2: Seconded. All those in favor?

[2:57:18] Voice 2: That is carried.

[2:57:19] Voice 2: I just have a question before you move on.

[2:57:21] Voice 2: So the alternative means to publish is given electronically.

[2:57:30] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:57:31] Voice 2: Just for the public's information, it shifts because the means,

[2:57:36] Voice 2: public notice under the community charter has allows more flexibility now

[2:57:41] Voice 2: so rather than requiring notification in a newspaper that we don't read

[2:57:47] Voice 2: these two

[2:57:49] Voice 2: options have been selected by the main local trust committee as electronic and

[2:57:53] Trustee Maude: you're yeah

[2:57:53] Voice 2: intent with that okay and

[2:57:55] Trustee Maude: then they input and then staff have the

[2:57:57] Trustee Maude: ability to go on to the main line or something else as unapproved publication

[2:58:01] Trustee Maude: so it

[2:58:02] Voice 4: works really well.

[2:58:04] Voice 4: Okay, great.

[2:58:05] Trustee Maude: So I'll move that Main Island Local Trust Committee

[2:58:08] Trustee Maude: give File No. 199,

[2:58:10] Trustee Maude: cited as Main Island Local Trust Committee

[2:58:11] Trustee Maude: Public Notification, File No. 199, 2025, second reading.

[2:58:15] Voice 2: Seconded.

[2:58:16] Voice 2: Seconded by Trustee Dodds.

[2:58:18] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[2:58:19] Voice 2: That is carried.

[2:58:20] Trustee Maude: I'll move that Main Island Local Trust Committee

[2:58:22] Trustee Maude: give File No. 199, cited as Main Island Local Trust Committee

[2:58:25] Trustee Maude: Public Notification, File No. 199, 2025, third reading.

[2:58:29] Voice 2: Second.

[2:58:29] Voice 2: Seconded.

[2:58:30] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[2:58:31] Voice 2: That is carried.

[2:58:32] Trustee Maude: And I will move that Maynard Local Trust Committee give bylaw number 199,

[2:58:36] Trustee Maude: Senator Maynard Local Trust Committee bylaw public notification bylaw number 199-2025

[2:58:40] Trustee Maude: to the Iowa's Trust Executive Committee for consideration of approval.

[2:58:45] Voice 2: Seconded.

[2:58:46] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[2:58:47] Voice 2: That is carried.

[2:58:49] Voice 2: This

[2:58:49] Trustee Maude: is why I say our next executive committee is going to be very, very busy.

[2:58:51] Voice 2: It is going to be busy.

[2:58:52] Trustee Maude: Because these two bylaws are going to come from every local trust committee.

[2:58:56] Voice 2: Great.

[2:58:56] Voice 2: Upcoming meetings.

[2:58:57] Voice 2: Next one is scheduled September 29th here at the Agricultural Hall on Main Island.

[2:59:03] Voice 2: Nobody is present for the Town Hall.

[2:59:06] Voice 2: There is no closed meeting, so I'll call for adjournment.

[2:59:09] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[2:59:11] Voice 2: 439.

[2:59:12] Voice 2: We are

[2:59:13] Voice 3: three minutes after.

[2:59:15] Voice 2: Bye-bye.

[2:59:16] Voice 2: Thank you, Steph.

[2:59:17] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:59:18] Voice 3: Thank you.

Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
July 28, 2025 ADOPTED Page 1 of 12 
 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
 July 28, 2025 
Mayne Island Agricultural Hall 
430 Fernhill Road, Mayne Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 David Maude, Local Trustee 
 Jeanine Dodds, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
 Emily Bryant, Meeting Administrator 
 Katherine Vogt, Meeting Recorder 
 
Others Present: 
 
Kevin Webber, Park Planner, Capital Regional District (CRD) 
There were approximately sixteen (16) members of the public 
present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 1:31 p.m. She introduced trustees and staff and 
welcomed members of the public. 
2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
Chair Elliott acknowledged that the meeting was being held in the territory of the Coast 
Salish First Nations.  
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
4. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Chair Elliott clarified that the Town Hall portion of the current meeting was to provide for any 
comments or questions from the public regarding any issue outside of the Mayne Island 
Housing Project. 
There were no questions or comments from members of the public. 
5. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
5.1 Mayne Island Housing Project 
Island Planner Chadwick reviewed the staff report titled Mayne Island Housing 
Options Project (Phase 2) Draft Bylaws, dated July 28, 2025. She offered that the 
Community Information Meeting (CIM) provided an opportunity for members of the 
ADOPTED 

 
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public to provide input on any of the proposed changes to the Mayne Island Official 
Community Plan (OCP) or Land Use Bylaw (LUB); in particular, that trustees were 
seeking community input on proposed expansion of areas for flexible housing.  
The chair clarified that the CIM allowed members of the public to comment on the 
draft bylaws prior to their going to First Reading. 
Members of the public had the following comments or questions: 
• Any new dwelling should be contingent on water collected from rainwater or 
brought in from off-island so that no new wells are dug and there is no sharing of 
wells, to protect existing aquifers and water table levels 
• The regulation of 3000 gallons per dwelling unit should be increased to ensure 
sufficient water through the dry season 
o A trustee responded that the current 20% building lot coverage 
permission is being significantly reduced by the proposed amendments; 
that increased density is not being proposed for the water district areas; 
and that some groundwater studies have been done, though more 
needs to be known 
• Future water changes should be considered, as huge changes in surface and 
groundwater patterns are occurring on the island including saltwater intrusion 
of wells 
• Loss of flowing water of 1000 gallons a day that used to last until August at the 
Japanese Memorial Gardens is now drying up in May 
• In some of the parks, deer trails are shifting the flow of water away from 
traditional areas while increased browsing of the understory by the deer are 
reducing adjacent soil water retention 
o The planner clarified for the chair that it is currently not an exclusive 
requirement that cisterns be the sole source of water for a dwelling, and 
that there is some hesitancy towards this option due to the 
unpredictability of water 
• A member of the public noted they were using 1200 gallons of water a month for 
two people in the summer dry period, so, a 3000-gallon cistern would not last 
through the entire dry period; therefore, the gallon requirement should be 
increased 
• It was cheaper to install 20,000 gallons of water storage than to dig a well 
o The chair noted that excessive trucking of water in summer due to low 
storage infrastructure contradicts the ecological benefits of rainwater 
collection 
o A trustee offered that the current 3000-gallon requirement allowed for 
affordability and accessibility for those homeowners that may be able 
and willing to develop an affordable extra dwelling or suite on properties 
that already contained a primary residence and existing well 
o The planner clarified that the 3000 gallons number was in the original 
Mayne Island bylaws associated with secondary suites; and that on 
other islands, an 18,000 litre (4755 gallons) cistern capacity was being 
requested after some study of what cistern sizes were readily available 
and some study of subsistence use water needs through a two-month 
dry period; though in reality, water usage rates are highly variable 

 
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o A trustee offered that they have a lot of flexibility to revisit water 
requirements in the future, should conditions change 
• It would be beneficial to create reservoirs from existing high-water areas on 
private properties for the benefit of bringing new people on the island who are 
necessary to sustain all other vital services and infrastructures 
• Are the proposed dwellings big enough to sustain new families? 
o A trustee noted that allowable extra dwelling units are based on a 
combined floor area of all dwellings formula 
o A secondary suite is a maximum of 1000 square feet 
o In the Flex-zone area, the size of one’s principal dwelling will dictate the 
allowable size of additional dwellings 
o The chair provided an example, on lots that are 3 acres or greater but not 
exceeding 5 hectares, 3 dwellings and a cottage are permitted if total 
combined floor area of all cottages and dwellings does not exceed 436 
meters squared or almost 5000 square feet 
o The planner noted that one could have one 3000 square foot home and 
three 500 square foot dwellings 
o A trustee added that these proposed options allow property owners 
flexibility for building a primary family residence plus providing for extra 
family members or worker housing, while reducing total building 
coverage which is currently permitted up to 20% 
• Regarding the draft map in the agenda package: Exploring Flexible Housing 
Zoning Expansion on Mayne Island, what do the grey and blue colors signify? 
o The planner clarified that the grey areas of the map showed what was 
currently in the bylaw for the flex housing pilot, while the colored blue 
areas were those being considered for flex housing expansion, and the 
circles represent distance to amenities 
• Why were other areas not considered for flex housing? 
o A trustee responded that areas were chosen for their proximity to 
amenities such as the school, grocery stores, and transport; and already 
heavily densified small lot areas were not considered for secondary 
suites or dwellings due to longstanding pushback from the water 
districts 
o A trustee offered that if a landowner wished to increase density on a lot 
outside of the flex zone that they could apply for a Temporary Use Permit 
(TUP) 
• Density per dwelling unit, and not just square footage, needs to be considered 
when modeling water usage 
• How does the community prevent extra dwellings from becoming short-term 
rentals?  
o The planner responded that this was prohibited in the bylaw; and that 
periodic scans for illegal activity can be requested by the Local Trust 
Committee 
• Is it possible to put a covenant on affordable housing dwellings that could 
rescind their permit if they are ever used as short-term rentals, because 
currently there is not enough control over short-term rentals that do not use 
public platforms like Airbnb? 

 
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o The planner responded that resources currently do not exist for such a 
covenant; and that the Capital Regional District would need to be 
involved 
o A trustee noted that the new provincial legislation around short-term 
vacation rentals (STVR)s was very serious with $60,000 fines for 
infractions 
• How does increasing the housing stock on Mayne Island fit in with the Islands 
Trust mandate? 
o A trustee responded that shrinking the allowable built footprint on a 
property and encouraging smaller, more numerous dwellings rather 
than huge homes is a better more environmentally sustainable housing 
solution than subdivision 
o A trustee noted that in the first Islands Trust Policy statement of 1975, it 
was explicitly stated that the welfare of the existing community of 
people and those that came after them must be a primary concern of 
the Trust; currently, there are many people on the island who do not 
have safe, secure housing and may be forced to leave 
• What if we cannot fill these cisterns with rain, due to extended dry periods or if 
the impacts of greater density become untenable? 
o The planner noted that there is flexibility in the Local Government Act to 
allow local governments to change their zoning to address unexpected 
future situations 
o A trustee added that the flex areas were not being proposed for already 
dense areas of Mayne Island; also, that all the water used on a dwelling 
site is recharged into the land through the septic system; that much of 
Mayne Islands rainwater after November flows out into the ocean; and 
that desalination is another option 
o The chair noted that critical groundwater recharge area mapping for 
future protection has been done by Senior Freshwater Specialist William 
Shulba; and that rainwater catchment does not deprive groundwater in 
most areas 
• The reality is that most landowners do not have the funds to create housing 
• Current water usage impacts should be looked at more broadly 
o A trustee acknowledged that there was huge water demand in the driest 
time of the year with some water districts struggling with lack of storage 
and broken lines; a future water workshop and continued dialogue 
would be very helpful 
• What is allowable on Mayne Island for trailers? 
o The planner responded that Mayne Island has traditionally allowed 
people to live in trailers indefinitely if they were connected to approved 
water and septic systems; but that this is proposed to change in the new 
bylaw to needing a Temporary Use Permit (TUP) 
 
The chair recognized that Mayne Island was leading the way in allowing for 
clustered small unit housing in their Official Community Plan (OCP) under Section 
2.1.6.4; and spoke on exciting new developments in developing building permit 
legal standards for tiny homes.  

 
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By general consent the meeting was recessed at 3:01 p.m. and reconvened at 3:08 
p.m. 
6. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated May 26, 2025 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of 
May 26, 2025 were adopted. 
7.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
7.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - None 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List Dated July 2025 
Island Planner Chadwick clarified for trustees that Activity Item 6 regarding 
residence requirements for contractors’ yards had been moved to another list. 
9. DELEGATIONS 
9.1 Stephen Cropper - Miners Bay Farmers Market Society 
Stephen Cropper, President of the Miners Bay Farmers Market Society, spoke on his 
recent email to the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee (LTC), dated July 16, 2025, 
that requests that the LTC make a minor adjustment to zoning to allow for vendor 
sales at village fair-style events to be held at the Miners Bay Community Park.  
Trustees discussed previous parks issues on Mayne Island and possibilities for 
future parks activities. 
MA-2025-035 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee requests staff forward the letter 
from Stephen Cropper, as President of the Mayne Island Miners Bay 
Farmers Market Society, to the Mayne Island Parks Commission and the 
Capital Regional District for consideration. 
CARRIED  
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
11. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
11.1 MA-RZ-2023.2 (CRD) - Staff Report 
The chair thanked Kevin Webber, Capital Regional District Park Planner for his 
attendance at the meeting. 

 
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Island Planner Chadwick presented the staff report, dated July 28, 2025, on the 
application initiated by the Capital Regional District to rezone their recently 
acquired 27-hectare St. John Point Park property to accommodate the existing non-
farm infrastructure in the park hub which includes an entrance sign, parking area, 
pump out toilet building and bicycle rack.  
 
Island Planner Chadwick updated that the Agricultural Land Commission had 
requested that the Park Hub A(a) zone only be applied to that specific portion of the 
Agriculture Land Reserve (ALR) property that was approved for non-farm use rather 
than to the entire ALR portion of the property, and that an information note to this 
effect be added to the bylaw. 
• A trustee expressed concern that the ALR portion of the park property was not 
reflected in the map in the staff report; and expressed preference for having a 
third zone on the park to reference the non-farm Park Hub site rather than an 
information note, for future clarity 
 
MA-2025-036 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee moves that the zoning on 
proposed Bylaw No. 195 be amended to identify (A) (a) as the portion of the 
lot that has been approved by the Agriculture Land Commission for non-
farm use. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-037 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw 194 cited as “Mayne 
Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 144, 2007, Amendment No. 1, 
2024” be read a second time. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-038 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw 195, as amended, 
cited as “Mayne Island Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 
2024” be read for a second time. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-039 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that an information note referencing the Agricultural Land Commission’s 
Resolution #457/2024 be included in Mayne Islands Local Trust Committee 
Draft Bylaw 195, as amended, cited as “Mayne Island Land Use Bylaw No. 
146, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2024” upon consolidation. 
CARRIED  
  

 
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MA-2025-040 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Islands Trust 
Policy Statement Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw 194 
cited as “Mayne Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 144, 2007, 
Amendment No. 1, 2024”, and Bylaw 195 cited as “Mayne Island Land Use 
Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2024” are not contrary or at 
variance with the Islands Trust Policy Statement. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-041 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a Public 
Hearing for Draft Bylaw 194 cited as “Mayne Island Official Community Plan 
Bylaw No. 144, 2007, Amendment No. 1, 2024”, and Draft Bylaw 195, as 
amended, cited as “Mayne Island Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, 
Amendment No. 1, 2024”. 
CARRIED  
By general consent the meeting was recessed at 3:39 pm and reconvened at 3:41 pm 
12. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
12.1 Mayne Island Housing Project - Staff Report 
Island Planner Chadwick referenced the staff report titled Mayne Island Housing 
Options Project (Phase 2) Draft Bylaws, dated July 28, 2025, noting the following: 
• The proposed bylaw amendments were nearing readiness for First Reading; but 
there were still a few outstanding items highlighted in Attachment 1 for trustee 
direction 
• There is an updated Housing Needs Assessment that will be completed before 
Second Reading of the bylaws 
• A definition of Accessory Residential Unit has been added which is a unit 
accessory to a non-residential use such as the teachery, for example, and the 
definition “cottage” has been revised for consistency across the Trust area 
• There has been limited feedback from First Nations 
 
Island Planner Chadwick requested trustee feedback for the following items in the 
Attachment 1 bylaw amendments summary table: 
 
• Require worker housing for significant commercial rezonings 
o Trustees expressed support for this proposal 
• Increase flexibility for residential use in commercial areas 
o Trustees had no additional comments or questions for this proposal 
• Expand secondary suites permission in suitable areas 
o A trustee noted that currently the water district areas are excluded for 
extra density; the proposed amendment will now include these areas; 
and future conversations with water districts would be necessary 
o Trustees requested that this item be removed for now and put on a 
future Land Use Bylaw Review Work Project 

 
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• Permitting additional dwelling units (ADU)s (cottages) on smaller lots was 
discussed 
o The planner noted that the term “cottage” would be used for the first 
additional dwelling unit; and the term “accessory dwelling unit” (ADU) 
would be used for the next ADU; and that the “cottage” language 
needed to be retained due to existing language in covenants 
• Expand flexible housing regulations 
o Island Planner Chadwick referenced the map on page 52 of the agenda 
package that showed existing flexible housing in grey and proposed 
expansion area in blue 
o A trustee noted that there did not seem to be any negative feedback 
from the public at the Community information Meeting for expanding 
flexible housing 
o The chair suggested improving the language in Policy 2.1.1.3 e) areas of 
freshwater recharge, to “critical aquifer recharge areas” 
 
• Allowing rezoning for nonmarket housing in more land use designations (school 
properties, parks, community service) was discussed 
o Island Planner Chadwick noted that this proposal was particularly 
geared towards community service designations, which include the 
ambulance station, health centre, and firehall 
o A trustee noted that Mayne Island has a low number of parks 
 
• Review clustered small housing criteria and create a clustered small housing 
OCP designation/draft model zone for clustered small unit housing 
• Develop TUP guidelines for tiny homes/RVs as temporary dwellings 
o Island Planner Chadwick spoke on the ability to rezone up to 10 units 
with a cluster housing zone designation or a tiny home zone designation 
o A trustee expressed appreciation that these new zone designations were 
very progressive 
o The planner noted that TUPs would be required for tiny homes or RVs, 
whereas previously, RVs did not need a TUP 
o The chair noted an inconsistency in minimum cistern capacity 
requirements which the planner offered to correct 
o A trustee noted that variances for increasing floor area maximums for 
dwelling units were an option for people with a need for larger homes 
o The planner clarified that any additional dwelling unit above 1 cottage 
was not permitted for vacation home rental 
o The chair suggested that a chart of housing permissions for various land 
sizes would be helpful 
 
  

 
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MA-2025-042 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff update Bylaw 
No.196 cited as “Mayne Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 144, 
2007, Amendment No. 1, 2025” and Bylaw No. 197 cited as “Mayne Island 
Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2025” as directed at the 
July 28th, 2025 LTC meeting. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-043 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff return Bylaw No.196 
cited as “Mayne Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 144, 2007, 
Amendment No. 1, 2025” and Bylaw No. 197 cited as “Mayne Island Land 
Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2025” to the LTC for 
consideration of first reading. 
CARRIED  
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Work Program Reports 
13.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated July 2025 
Received for information. 
13.1.2 Future Project List Report Dated July 2025 
Received for information. 
13.2 Applications Report Dated July 2025 
Received for information. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated May 2025 
Received for information. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
13.6 Chair's Report 
Chair Elliott reported the following: 
• The Trust Council is meeting tomorrow for a 7-hour special meeting to consider 
First Reading of the Islands Trust Policy Statement 
• The Islands Trust Conservancy executive committee met on July 22, 2025; at 
which meeting a resolution was made to request that Trust Council prioritize the 
updating of mapping resources 
• The Programs Committee meets on July 30, 2025 
  

 
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13.7 Trustee Report 
Trustee Maude reported the following: 
• There has been concern over the lack of grass mowing on the shoulders of 
Mayne Island roads 
• The contractor’s tractor broke down 
• This is creating hazards for small fawns who pop out last minute from the tall 
grass, people cannot walk on the shoulder, and there is fire risk 
• Trustee Boland of Saturna Island is coordinating an upcoming meeting of all the 
trustees to work with Emcon and the Ministry of Transportation and Transit to 
hopefully improve road maintenance services for next year 
 
Trustee Dodd reported the following: 
 
• Recent attendance at the wonderful ceremonial unveiling of information 
plaques being installed at the Georgina Point Lighthouse as part of the Whales 
Trail project 
• Recent attendance at a presentation on clam gardens given by Carl Olsen which 
revealed that Oyster Bay on the Georgina Point side was a clam garden 
• The recently published book “Two Tricksters Find Friendship” by Elder Johnny 
Aitken and Jess Willows, of Mayne Island, is a highly recommended story based 
on a friendship between two grade four students 
 
13.8 Electoral Area Director's Report 
None 
13.9 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Date June 2025 
Chair Elliott reported that the Islands Trust Conservancy will be receiving a CRM 
Software system to improve their database. 
14. NEW BUSINESS 
14.1 Mayne Island LTC Meeting Procedures Repeal Bylaw No. 198 - Request for 
Decision 
MA-2025-044 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 198, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Meeting Procedures Repeal Bylaw 
No. 198, 2025”, First Reading. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-045 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 198, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Meeting Procedures Repeal Bylaw 
No. 198, 2025”, Second Reading. 
CARRIED  
  

 
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MA-2025-046 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 198, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Meeting Procedures Repeal Bylaw 
No. 198, 2025”, Third Reading. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-047 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 198, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Meeting Procedures Repeal Bylaw 
No. 198, 2025” to the Islands Trust Executive Committee for consideration 
of approval. 
CARRIED  
 
14.2 Mayne Island LTC Public Notification Bylaw No. 199 - Request for Decision 
The chair clarified for members of the public that Bylaws No. 198 and No. 199 allows 
for electronic notice of public meetings; and for notice to be given in unapproved 
publications. 
MA-2025-048 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 199, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Public Notification Bylaw No. 199, 
2025", First Reading. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-049 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 199, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Public Notification Bylaw No. 199, 
2025", Second Reading. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-050 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 199, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Public Notification Bylaw No. 199, 
2025", Third Reading. 
CARRIED  
MA-2025-051 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee give Bylaw No. 199, cited as 
“Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Public Notification Bylaw No. 199, 
2025", to the Islands Trust Executive Committee for consideration of 
approval. 
CARRIED  
 
  

 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
July 28, 2025 ADOPTED Page 12 of 12 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for September 29, 2025 at the Agricultural 
Hall, Mayne Island 
16. TOWN HALL  
None 
17. CLOSED MEETING - None 
18. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:39 p.m. 
 
 
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Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Katherine Vogt, Recorder