Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, September 11, 2025

[0:00:02] Voice 6: Thank you, and welcome to this regular meeting of the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:09] Voice 6: I want to begin the meeting today by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather here

[0:00:14] Voice 6: in the territories of Coast Salish peoples, including the Sanchoan and Halkmeadham-speaking

[0:00:20] Voice 6: peoples, the stewards of these lands and waters since time immemorial. Land and territory

[0:00:26] Voice 6: acknowledgements are important today because colonialism is not

[0:00:29] Voice 16: just a historical problem,

[0:00:31] Voice 16: It's ongoing in the present day.

[0:00:34] Voice 16: September 30th, 2021 marked the first national day for food and reconciliation.

[0:00:40] Voice 6: The day honors the children who never returned home and the survivors of residential schools,

[0:00:46] Voice 6: as well as their families and communities.

[0:00:50] Voice 6: Always want to honor experiences of the people who both had to live through that

[0:00:59] Voice 6: and continue to live through the repercussions today.

[0:01:04] Voice 6: So with that,

[0:01:05] Voice 16: my name is Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Luskinia Island and I'm the chair

[0:01:13] Voice 6: of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:16] Voice 6: With me today also are local trustees Jimmy Harris and Laura Patrick, and together we comprise the Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:25] Voice 6: And I'm going to turn it over to our Regional Planning Manager Chris Hutton to introduce the staff joining us today.

[0:01:31] Voice 6: Thank you. So, to my right here is Britt Palawade. Britt just joined us this week. She's our new legislative clerk.

[0:01:46] Voice 6: Next to Britt is Rob Pingel. He's our planning technician here.

[0:01:52] And joining us, I think all of the paving trucks are coming to Salisbury, all the fairies today, so we've got a

[0:01:59] Voice 6: few delays, so if you're not coming far, we're glad to have you joining us as soon as you're able.

[0:02:09] Voice 6: And Lisa Millard is our, Lisa is on line as well. She's our meeting administrator. She's taking minutes. And Warren Dingman is on the line as well.

[0:02:21] Voice 16: okay thank

[0:02:22] Voice 6: you so

[0:02:24] Voice 16: this meeting is an official forum for the local trust committee to make

[0:02:27] Voice 16: decisions about land use planning matters and to discuss relevant business this is also a place

[0:02:32] Voice 16: of employment and our staff have the right to a safe

[0:02:35] Voice 6: and respectful workplace we do have a town

[0:02:39] Voice 6: hall scheduled perhaps more to say when we get there but first we have an agenda before us and

[0:02:47] Voice 6: And I'll look to trustees to see if there's any amendments.

[0:02:51] Voice 6: Trustee Harris, I'd love to add a section where we could talk about By-law 534 for Salt

[0:02:57] Voice 6: Spring Island and putting the decision-making for permits back into the trustees' purview

[0:03:08] Voice 6: and away from staff.

[0:03:13] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:03:14] Voice 6: And I think that should probably go under new business.

[0:03:19] Voice 6: this so let's put that at 16.1 trustee

[0:03:34] Voice 16: patrick yes

[0:03:35] Voice 6: i provide notice of motion i'd like to add

[0:03:37] Voice 6: an item of the new business uh alternatives to vital enforcement housing okay and so let's put

[0:03:46] Voice 6: that as 16.2 then i gave some notice as well um discussion

[0:04:08] Voice 16: about the november 6th meeting time

[0:04:10] Voice 16: And I think that let's put that under the next meeting section upcoming

[0:04:16] Voice 6: meeting section anything else

[0:04:29] Voice 6: So I'll take it by general consent then we will adopt the agenda as amended

[0:04:39] Voice 16: So the next item of business is the town hall section

[0:04:44] Voice 16: Town halls offered your opportunity to speak. We want to hear your questions and comments and

[0:04:50] Later

[0:04:50] Voice 6: in the agenda, we'll be discussing

[0:04:52] Voice 6: other topics and making decisions your questions and comments are valued and

[0:04:57] Voice 6: help us to make good decisions and when addressing the local trust committee we

[0:05:03] Voice 6: request that we direct your comments to this table and not to other members of

[0:05:07] Voice 6: the public or staff speak about the issues and not other individuals and be

[0:05:13] Voice 6: clear concise and respectful and depending on the number of people that

[0:05:20] Voice 6: want to speak i may need to limit the speaking time to give everybody an opportunity and also

[0:05:26] Voice 6: to make sure that we can get through our other items on the agenda today so

[0:05:31] Voice 16: i'll look for show

[0:05:32] Voice 16: hands of how many people like to speak today okay quite a few um so i'm gonna uh i'm gonna set a

[0:05:41] timer um for

[0:05:43] Voice 6: for three minutes for each speaker and um ask that when we hit that time that you

[0:05:49] Voice 6: you conclude your remarks if there's sufficient time then there may be an opportunity to speak

[0:05:54] Voice 6: a second time i did have a request from this lady in the back who has to leave um to be early so i'm

[0:06:00] Voice 6: going

[0:06:00] Voice 16: to go to you first if if you could come up here a little bit it's

[0:06:05] Voice 6: helpful or you just

[0:06:06] Voice 6: you don't have to come to the front but the microphone is right here it's

[0:06:09] Voice 16: just that we

[0:06:10] Voice 16: have this microphone

[0:06:10] Voice 6: so that folks who are listening in or listening to reporting later

[0:06:14] Voice 6: might be able to hear what you said you know you're perfect that's great thank

[0:06:17] Voice 6: you yeah i'm

[0:06:19] Voice 6: here to support the uh possible

[0:06:23] Voice 3: rezoning of um the king's lane that originally was going to be

[0:06:31] Voice 3: the seniors housing but it looks like it might be changed for workers housing but considering

[0:06:38] Voice 3: the area,

[0:06:39] Voice 4: which is, there's a lot of seniors in Greenwoods and Greyhaven, and

[0:06:45] Voice 6: to, just

[0:06:50] Voice 11: to

[0:06:51] Voice 6: keep the safety

[0:06:52] Voice 11: and

[0:06:53] Voice 6: the theme, the safety and theme of seniors in this area. To bring

[0:07:05] Voice 6: workers i support workers housing absolutely not there in

[0:07:14] Voice 15: an area that's more for families

[0:07:18] Voice 15: there's going to be an increase of traffic

[0:07:19] Voice 6: which is dangerous for the seniors

[0:07:25] Voice 6: so that's yeah that's my concern sharing

[0:07:31] Voice 16: that and then just for sake of keeping track i'm

[0:07:35] Voice 16: I'm going to stay on this side of the room, and I'm going to work from the back up to the front.

[0:07:40] Voice 16: So if I could see who else had a hand up back on this side.

[0:07:46] Voice 16: Okay, the fellow in the hat is the next one.

[0:07:48] Voice 16: I see him close to the back.

[0:07:49] Voice 16: Good morning.

[0:07:53] Voice 6: I just wanted to bring a couple of points to your attention.

[0:07:57] Voice 6: My name is Ignacio Paisa.

[0:07:58] Voice 6: I've been coming to this island since 2009.

[0:08:02] Voice 6: I've been a resident for close to 10 years.

[0:08:04] Voice 6: I've seen many things changing, and I've seen many, many people leaving the island.

[0:08:09] Voice 6: because of the housing situation.

[0:08:12] Voice 6: This winter, I found myself in one of the hardest times of my life,

[0:08:16] Voice 6: and at that point, I was given help

[0:08:21] Voice 6: in the form of a place to stay for free.

[0:08:24] Voice 6: Very nice place.

[0:08:27] Voice 6: Woodstove, you know, everything I needed.

[0:08:31] Voice 6: I was helped by Savannah, my leader.

[0:08:35] Voice 6: And then there was the pain of I had to leave my dwelling,

[0:08:40] Voice 6: and I was made homeless for the months of March and April and mid-May I found a place.

[0:08:47] Voice 6: But I was living on a van, you know, when I had been living in a very excellent place

[0:08:54] Voice 6: that felt very unfair, I have to say.

[0:09:00] Voice 6: And, you know, the housing situation is hard enough as it is.

[0:09:06] And I know people

[0:09:07] Voice 6: that live in really poor dwellings.

[0:09:11] Voice 6: We all know people that live in very poor places because between Airbnb and all the people that move here after COVID, we're swamped.

[0:09:22] Voice 6: There's no places to live that are, excuse my English, they don't have dignity, you know?

[0:09:29] Voice 6: Like trailers with mold and rags, you know?

[0:09:33] Voice 6: I was nothing like that. It was perfect. We keep it. It was beautiful.

[0:09:38] Voice 6: I just wanted to say that, you know, because I know you guys are really trying to do the best for the islands and for the teams you do, I really appreciate it.

[0:09:48] Voice 6: But this one was, for me personally, this is how it affected me.

[0:09:54] Voice 6: One was in the winter in Nevada. I made it. I want to believe I'm a tough guy, you know, but a lot of people left the island for similar things.

[0:10:04] Voice 6: So, it's good that you consider it. Thank you.

[0:10:09] Voice 6: thank you okay and i know i saw some more

[0:10:14] Voice 16: hands and this

[0:10:15] Voice 6: side well sudden this side

[0:10:18] Voice 6: wouldn't just be yeah sure come ahead but you can just step forward in the center aisle there too

[0:10:23] Voice 4: just

[0:10:24] Voice 6: closer to the mic that's all um

[0:10:28] Voice 4: yes i guess i'm here today just uh for sydney and amelita

[0:10:33] Voice 4: um i lost my housing last year uh due to just like landlord turnover and regular things that

[0:10:42] Voice 4: have been here. I've been living in the house for almost four years, the same like two-bedroom

[0:10:47] Voice 4: standalone house in a local R&P. And it took me eight months to find stable housing. And

[0:11:01] Voice 4: during that time, sorry, the community really took me in. And I was held up by the support of

[0:11:12] Voice 4: of many people and I know personally how much um care um Savannah and Alita put into

[0:11:21] Voice 4: um welcoming people and not as like I've been in multiple different types of dwellings on

[0:11:29] Voice 4: I've lived in some that are more like questionable and some that are nicer and there's a wide range

[0:11:37] Voice 4: of things available on this island um but there's not a lot available and to have people in the

[0:11:44] Voice 4: community that can offer something for you for a couple weeks a month as you're trying to get on

[0:11:49] Voice 4: your feet trying to find something um often housing loss is not due to anyone's fault

[0:11:55] Voice 4: here on this island it's not because we're not employed it's not because we're not responsible

[0:12:00] Voice 4: It's not because of a variety of reasons, like sometimes lacking housing can be because of mental health issues and addiction.

[0:12:10] Voice 4: But there's so many people that are just regular people, professionals that are losing housing and having a safety net in our community is so important.

[0:12:23] Voice 4: So I just wanted to say homecoming, I think it is, that those safety nets can be here.

[0:12:30] Voice 6: sorry thank you um and i think i saw some more hands on this side as well

[0:12:39] Voice 6: this is more people here yes go ahead hi uh my name is michael bean uh and i'm also here

[0:12:47] Voice 6: to speak in support of savannah uh i moved to salt spring three years ago and uh it has uh

[0:12:57] Voice 6: housing thing has been

[0:12:58] Voice 6: really

[0:13:01] Voice 6: radicalizing. It's not

[0:13:03] Voice 6: like that inequality

[0:13:04] Voice 6: was not present in Vancouver,

[0:13:07] Voice 6: you know, but

[0:13:08] Voice 6: I got to sort of live in a little

[0:13:10] Voice 6: artistic community where I didn't

[0:13:12] Voice 6: I got to not notice it in the same way.

[0:13:15] Voice 6: You know, and here finding

[0:13:16] Voice 6: stable housing has been

[0:13:19] Voice 6: incredibly challenging.

[0:13:21] Voice 6: You know, as somebody

[0:13:23] Voice 6: who is like stably

[0:13:24] Voice 6: and have a great rental history, but I don't have the wealth to buy property here.

[0:13:32] Voice 6: And that has been so far my understanding of the only way to get stable housing.

[0:13:37] Voice 6: So the last couple of years I've been living in a place where my landlords are wonderful and supportive

[0:13:43] Voice 6: and they're very wealthy people who live in Spain and use their house for seven weeks in the summer.

[0:13:48] Voice 6: you know and that's been the best place that i've like then i've got a beautiful affordable place

[0:13:55] Voice 6: you know that kind of room for my son you don't have to like squish into something but it means

[0:14:00] Voice 6: that you know for i've been in a place on stable housing even while being like gainfully employed

[0:14:06] Voice 6: and safely housed most of the

[0:14:08] Voice 6: year uh and so two summers uh i stayed in and spent it and

[0:14:13] Voice 6: that we just don't yeah and it was it was really helpful like especially gosh not this summer but

[0:14:23] Voice 6: the summer before you know um i was not expecting to be like a mental tax you know that not knowing

[0:14:32] Voice 6: where i was going to live would impose on my life yeah and i hit a point of like pretty serious

[0:14:39] Voice 6: over one and Savannah scooped me up and so I know that it's like an imperfect process you know and

[0:14:49] Voice 6: that you are doing your best and that you know they're sort of doing their best for the folks

[0:14:53] Voice 6: or their tenants but I have experienced that is enormously supportive of me and the way that

[0:15:02] Voice 6: Savannah talks about

[0:15:04] Voice 6: the people who live on her land

[0:15:06] Voice 6: has always been

[0:15:08] Voice 6: like

[0:15:11] Voice 6: this is an island where you can get

[0:15:13] Voice 6: $1,200 for a folding trailer

[0:15:14] Voice 6: and

[0:15:15] Voice 6: I have witnessed her in years

[0:15:18] Voice 6: that I've known her

[0:15:20] Voice 6: not being willing to charge more than $700,000

[0:15:23] Voice 6: for the place on her property

[0:15:25] Voice 6: because she's like

[0:15:26] Voice 6: they are

[0:15:29] Voice 6: I'm not talking people

[0:15:31] Voice 6: like

[0:15:31] Voice 6: like something with like all of the amenities i wanted to work before um it doesn't have to do

[0:15:39] Voice 6: that but we're not going to have chosen to do that and so i i hope that um companies thank you

[0:15:58] Voice 6: was there more people over on the side down today just go over here

[0:16:06] Voice 6: public speaker so i had to write this down my name is sarana i am the co-owner of 155

[0:16:12] Voice 4: alongside my mother-in-law who cannot be here today she's having hip surgery so

[0:16:17] Voice 4: sense of regards um we are very grateful to be visitors here on stolen of salish territory

[0:16:23] Voice 4: and we recognize the relationships that

[0:16:26] Voice 6: continue to this day i am speaking today with great

[0:16:29] Voice 6: concerns, not disregarding my home and family, but of this organization at large. These concerns

[0:16:35] Voice 6: are both regarding enforcement action as well as elected official inaction. By not challenging

[0:16:42] Voice 6: unfair practices, you are complicit in them. You are

[0:16:45] Voice 3: complicit in making a man homeless

[0:16:47] Voice 3: in the winter and removing a living space from his fingers. You are complicit in the

[0:16:53] Voice 3: immense stress that has hung over our remaining tenants' heads as they question if it will

[0:16:58] Voice 3: be there for next you are complicit in reinforcing status quo that prioritizes those with the means

[0:17:05] Voice 3: to live conventionally over those that do not this is not due to a lack of options it's due to a lack

[0:17:12] Voice 3: of imagination compassion and creativity there's so much i could say and i understand that there's

[0:17:18] Voice 3: little time so we need some things to consider i'm sure you are familiar with the term that power

[0:17:24] Voice 3: corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Do you believe that an organization with this

[0:17:30] Voice 6: much

[0:17:30] Voice 3: power can ethically self-regulate? Second is that the people most impacted by enforcement

[0:17:37] Voice 3: are those of lower socioeconomic status and those experiencing multiple and intersecting

[0:17:42] Voice 6: areas of oppression. Do you think that you, the people making these laws, appropriately represent

[0:17:48] Voice 6: this group?

[0:17:50] Voice 3: Third is that the ongoing person's best practice guidelines cite the importance of

[0:17:55] Voice 3: context right now we are living in multiple local crises in addition to horrific global ones before

[0:18:02] Voice 3: making future decisions i implore that you take the time to intentionally consider the context

[0:18:07] Voice 3: in which you are making these choices finally the end of the quote by a monkey there are two

[0:18:14] Voice 3: types of laws there are just laws and there are unjust laws i would be the first to advocate

[0:18:19] Voice 3: keep obeying just laws.

[0:18:21] Voice 6: One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws.

[0:18:26] Voice 6: Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I

[0:18:32] Voice 3: hope you take time to

[0:18:33] Voice 3: consider whether the problem is with us or if it is with the way that these laws are being

[0:18:38] Voice 3: interpreted. You have all the information you need to ethically close our file. If you have

[0:18:44] Voice 3: questions please call me there's a lot of misinformation and i'm so happy to clarify

[0:18:50] Voice 3: so all we want to do is house people and we just want to do it peacefully and in a low-impact way

[0:18:55] Voice 3: thank you thank

[0:18:58] Voice 16: you and i saw a hand that will look at you and then i saw your hand at the back

[0:19:05] Voice 16: there again so um

[0:19:07] Voice 6: you first yeah so

[0:19:12] Voice 3: i'm feeling hopeful after hearing that the press is looking

[0:19:15] Voice 3: think there are ways to take a more compassionate approach to

[0:19:18] Voice 3: enforcement. And I'm here, I want to reinforce to you how

[0:19:23] Voice 3: critical it is to radically revamp the process.

[0:19:29] Voice 4: And I also

[0:19:30] Voice 4: want to reiterate to you what it is like for many residents on

[0:19:34] Voice 4: this side of that table. So we elected you to represent us when

[0:19:41] Voice 4: When the T of the trust file on enforcement

[0:19:44] Voice 3: receive a complaint, and I would say that

[0:19:48] Voice 3: most complaints are malicious,

[0:19:49] Voice 4: this

[0:19:50] Voice 6: is licensed to attend a property and search for any possible

[0:19:55] Voice 6: compliance infraction.

[0:19:58] Voice 6: They can, they're boarding a fine-tooth comb that's used in search of infractions.

[0:20:04] Voice 6: In some cases, this action has gone on for years

[0:20:08] Voice 3: and has led to suicides, strokes, bankruptcies and the good people living around.

[0:20:16] Voice 4: So we residents are supposed to go to the CAO with our concerns

[0:20:21] Voice 3: about enforcement process and procedure.

[0:20:24] Voice 3: When we go to the CAO and do not find resolution, we need to be able to go to our representatives for assistance.

[0:20:32] Voice 15: And it's your job to give direction to the CNAO regarding process and procedure.

[0:20:39] Voice 15: However, when we

[0:20:41] Voice 4: go to you, we're often turned away because trustees are going to prevent

[0:20:46] Voice 4: it from getting involved in individual cases.

[0:20:49] Voice 4: Individual cases are exactly

[0:20:52] Voice 3: where process and procedure become apparent.

[0:20:54] Voice 3: We do need to look at them.

[0:20:56] Voice 3: and if

[0:20:57] Voice 6: you can't look at them and hear our experiences of our individual cases,

[0:21:03] Voice 6: you can't see the problem on the ground.

[0:21:06] Voice 15: Further, it makes very little sense to us residents who

[0:21:11] Voice 15: have or are suffering under bad enforcement

[0:21:14] Voice 3: practices to hear

[0:21:17] Voice 15: that you are at arm's length

[0:21:18] Voice 3: and individual cases because bylaw officers bring individual cases to you for the decide upon

[0:21:29] Voice 3: and when these individual cases are brought to you there is a closed meeting with you

[0:21:36] Voice 3: the resident is not allowed to be there the resident representative is not allowed to be there

[0:21:41] Voice 3: there,

[0:21:41] Voice 4: and I believe present are you, the accusing officer, and I believe Mr. Hutton

[0:21:49] Voice 6: was there, too.

[0:21:51] Voice 6: So, I know this is legal under administrative law.

[0:21:55] Voice 6: Administrative law is very problematic.

[0:21:57] Voice 6: However, it is

[0:21:59] Voice 4: against the principles of justice to make decisions based on the account only

[0:22:04] Voice 4: of the accuser while excusing the accused

[0:22:08] Voice 3: from that meeting.

[0:22:09] Voice 3: further

[0:22:10] Voice 6: to this there is no process of appeal

[0:22:12] Voice 6: if i may can i speak to this um

[0:22:20] Voice 7: thanks you know um i'm sure you realize um we didn't create

[0:22:25] Voice 7: these laws that are um

[0:22:28] Voice 6: you know being brought down upon so many members of the community i've

[0:22:31] Voice 6: also suffered

[0:22:32] Voice 5: at the end

[0:22:33] Voice 6: of the same thing you guys are and um you know i would hope

[0:22:39] Voice 7: that you continue you know and push this to the province and to trust council because in

[0:22:45] Voice 7: so many ways as a trustee my hands are completely tied and i get stoned so thank you for um

[0:22:54] rebutting this kind of stuff and please take it up higher higher up the chain and bring to the

[0:23:00] province request um salts bring me out of

[0:23:03] Voice 6: the island's trust organizations dysfunctional proven

[0:23:07] Voice 6: proven plea for municipal structure thank you so the gentleman in the back here yes uh short but uh

[0:23:17] i'm a friend of the poverty moment that savannah and her mother um i happen to be doing some

[0:23:27] um some help during the time that um the tenant who's within uh

[0:23:36] I should name that person or not, but no, but anyway, a letter was written, and on the

[0:23:48] day of the departure of that person, I was asked if I could be present for the walk-in

[0:23:53] or the walk-out to stipulate the condition of the apartment or the cabin.

[0:24:00] I went, it was only Elida, the owner, myself, and the tenant, and the tenant, up to that

[0:24:07] At that point, I had been in and out of the property for several months,

[0:24:12] Voice 6: seemed very happy to

[0:24:13] Voice 10: be having

[0:24:15] Voice 6: this little gem as a place to rent with her son and a dog.

[0:24:20] And at some point, their relationship sort of broke down to a place where it became a little bit of where

[0:24:28] Voice 6: she needed a witness to be there to be sure that all was sound.

[0:24:33] Voice 6: I walked into the apartment, we noticed what was not done, what was screened, what was not.

[0:24:42] Voice 6: I was there up to the person left, and at that point all seemed fine.

[0:24:48] Voice 6: I find, unfortunately, from my point of view, that such a beautiful team of landowners,

[0:24:55] Voice 6: who I don't think you guys need the coins that comes from the landfill,

[0:25:02] Voice 6: and seeing lots of people on the island without a home.

[0:25:06] Voice 6: I'm a tenant myself, and I know when you're given a notice of eviction,

[0:25:11] Voice 6: it becomes a little bit of a freak show for the people involved.

[0:25:16] Voice 6: So for those guys, so then to open their homes,

[0:25:20] and people come willingly to rent

[0:25:22] Voice 12: out that then with benediction,

[0:25:27] one who's read the letter

[0:25:30] Voice 6: destroying the character

[0:25:31] Voice 6: and pointing out all that

[0:25:33] Voice 6: could be wrong with your land and then

[0:25:35] Voice 6: what I understand is by default you guys

[0:25:37] Voice 6: have to move on

[0:25:39] Voice 6: with some officer to go see

[0:25:41] Voice 6: if there's a complaint. Is that

[0:25:43] Voice 6: correct? No. It's not up

[0:25:45] Voice 6: to us. The complaint goes to

[0:25:47] Voice 7: bylaw. We don't hear about that when that

[0:25:49] Voice 7: happens. It comes after the

[0:25:51] Voice 7: bylaw enforcement sees it. Then we

[0:25:53] Voice 7: may see it could be a month or more down

[0:25:55] Voice 7: on the road but that's not something that comes to

[0:25:58] Voice 6: us when you say please look into this but is

[0:26:00] Voice 6: it so that if i

[0:26:01] Voice 6: today go to the pilot officer and i say my neighbor yeah well then then they

[0:26:07] Voice 6: will go and look but that's not they won't they won't come to us us

[0:26:10] Voice 7: three like we won't hear about

[0:26:12] Voice 7: that right until much further down the road right well i'm not so sure what

[0:26:17] Voice 6: what you guys are in for

[0:26:21] Voice 6: right now um but uh anyway it'd be wonderful if rather than making life difficult for people that

[0:26:29] Voice 6: are willing to do what those guys are doing to support them we need more affordable housing

[0:26:35] Voice 6: thank you thank you hey is

[0:26:40] Voice 16: there anyone else on this side before i move to the next side

[0:26:42] Voice 16: okay uh over here i'm gonna start at the back again good

[0:26:53] Voice 5: morning trustees my name is eric march

[0:26:55] Voice 5: today I'd like to speak about bylaw enforcement. On the one hand, I'm stoked to finally see some

[0:27:01] Voice 5: public action by the Adelance Trust against Lightwater Cove. While working-class Salt

[0:27:05] Voice 5: Springers face a triple threat crisis of cost of living, cost of housing, and lack of available

[0:27:11] Voice 5: housing, guests at Lightwater Cove are able to enjoy presence, wellness, and elemental joy

[0:27:15] Voice 5: for just $500 to $1,100 a night, two nights minimum. On the other hand, I'm very concerned

[0:27:23] Voice 5: to learn from bylaw enforcement against Alita and Savannah. The number of people they have helped

[0:27:27] Voice 5: is a damning demonstration of the housing crisis on Salisbury and the efforts some individuals are

[0:27:32] Voice 5: able to make to help. I hope you decide to close their file. I'd like to finish by saying while

[0:27:39] Voice 5: some decry attempts at affordable housing as over development, Lightwater Cove is an awesome,

[0:27:43] Voice 5: excellent example of the actual over development currently occurring in the trust area.

[0:27:48] Voice 5: Whether expensive luxury resorts, private golf courses, swimming pools, a stone's throw from

[0:27:54] Voice 5: lake and oceanfront the tiny slips of public beach access between absurdly expensive waterfront

[0:27:59] Voice 5: mansions there's plenty of development in the trust area and none of it coming from workforce

[0:28:03] Voice 5: housing it certainly doesn't come from the tiny homes yurts domes boats trailers or rvs that so

[0:28:10] Voice 5: many people resort to to survive thank you thank you okay

[0:28:18] Voice 12: and yes so

[0:28:23] Voice 13: you all know me my name is

[0:28:24] Voice 13: actually we do this dance every year um short-term vacation rentals bring millions of dollars of

[0:28:31] Voice 13: money into this community every year i understand there is a housing crisis there's a housing crisis

[0:28:37] Voice 13: in every city and town in canada we are not any different than anywhere else without tourist money

[0:28:44] Voice 13: we don't need workforce housing because those businesses will be gone every year we go through

[0:28:51] Voice 13: through multiple legal battles with the trust, through lawyers, mediators. Every year the case

[0:28:59] Voice 13: gets closed on us, but we're wasting taxpayer dollars in these fights. We have multiple units

[0:29:06] Voice 13: on our property, none of which could ever be workforce housing. They are simply not suitable

[0:29:11] Voice 13: for that. But every year we get threatening letters, we get fines that we have to argue against.

[0:29:18] Voice 13: Last year, we took it up against your CAO.

[0:29:20] Voice 13: He took one look at it and closed the case.

[0:29:23] Voice 13: This year, we get more threatening letters.

[0:29:26] Voice 13: This time, there's not an actual issue.

[0:29:30] Voice 13: He's just saying, we're opening a file to see what you're doing again.

[0:29:34] Voice 13: No fine.

[0:29:35] Voice 13: We make a phone call to him.

[0:29:38] Voice 13: Can't tell us what we've done wrong.

[0:29:40] Voice 13: Basically said, we've referred it to Jamie and Laura.

[0:29:42] Voice 13: They will decide if we need to fine them.

[0:29:44] Voice 13: So right now, I see this as nothing more than the trust grasping at straws, going after folks that are doing nothing but trying to improve the community by bringing tourist dollars into it, not taking work.

[0:30:00] Voice 13: forest housing away everything we've done has been done by licensed tradesmen everything is to code

[0:30:05] Voice 13: we don't have campers sitting around with human waste leaking out all over the land everything

[0:30:11] Voice 13: is as it should be but every year we do this dance i'm sure you guys are as sick of it as i am that

[0:30:19] Voice 13: we have to go through this every single year the amount of i would love to actually see the numbers

[0:30:23] Voice 13: it's the amount of money the trust has wasted on me and my property like this needs to end

[0:30:31] Voice 13: we need to stop attacking people that are providing acceptable tourist accommodations

[0:30:37] Voice 13: for a couple months out of the year to give a boost to our economy thank you through the chair

[0:30:45] Voice 7: yeah thank you ashley and uh yes i'm very frustrated with these things going on for

[0:30:52] Voice 7: years and years and continued files being opened against the same properties it's very very

[0:30:56] Voice 7: frustrating and it just it shines a huge light on dysfunction which everybody knows is there

[0:31:03] Voice 7: with the local governance that we have here there's been studies done it's been deemed highly

[0:31:08] Voice 7: dysfunctional the only way out of this mess is to get into a municipal type of situation and that's

[0:31:14] Voice 7: the message that needs to be taken to the province we've tried to trust council and have been rebutted

[0:31:19] Voice 7: from the province telling us to go away so the more people that bring this some kind of thing

[0:31:24] Voice 7: to light to them hopefully their eyes will open at some point i'm on your side i agree um you

[0:31:30] Voice 7: were mentioning whitewater cove but you know i don't know which side to stand on that but i do

[0:31:35] Voice 7: know that a lot of people in the community worked there for years workforce was working there for

[0:31:42] Voice 7: years like lots of people so you know to demonize that i don't know if that's the way to go

[0:31:48] Voice 7: i do know that we need zoning for workforce ownership housing that's something that trustees

[0:31:54] Voice 7: could do could have been done this term hasn't been i would have loved to have seen it done

[0:32:00] Voice 7: but unfortunately it

[0:32:02] Voice 6: hasn't um thank you and i saw some more hands over here

[0:32:10] Voice 6: um yeah the gentleman there yeah so i just wanted to address a couple of things um this has

[0:32:18] Voice 6: been an ongoing issue for many many years now with regards to the persistent homeless population on

[0:32:27] Voice 6: this island and i'd like to remind the trust that there is an obligation under the united nations

[0:32:33] Voice 6: declaration of human rights to ensure that people have adequate housing and also a charter obligation

[0:32:39] Voice 6: to provide to people with the reasonable safety and security.

[0:32:48] Voice 6: And this is being violated by a structure that is,

[0:32:52] Voice 6: rather than working with people and trying to provide the solutions,

[0:32:56] Voice 6: is more or less geared towards beating people over the head with a stick.

[0:33:02] Voice 6: And that doesn't solve any problems whatsoever.

[0:33:05] Voice 6: There's plenty of people on the island that want to create a solution,

[0:33:08] Voice 6: But like I said, rather than work with somebody like Lita and help them bring their property up to whatever standard, impossible standards that you want them to adhere to, and I'll address that in a second, I'd also like to address the sewerage situation with various properties around here.

[0:33:25] Voice 6: Because even with a letter for VHOP claiming that there is no sewerage issue being produced, I've noticed that there's a lot of issues associated with human sewerage systems, with which the organizations such as the Islands Trust are undereducated and completely ignorant as to how the workings of such systems are.

[0:33:46] Voice 6: they're insistent on more like septic tanks and peaching fields and stuff but there are perfectly

[0:33:54] Voice 6: acceptable solutions which involve human or compost and vermiculture using holding proper

[0:34:02] Voice 6: holding facilities for that to produce the end result of humanoid that you can use in a garden

[0:34:09] Voice 6: for example so i would like to see the authorities get a little bit more educated i'd like to see

[0:34:14] Voice 6: see them take a less institutional approach towards the homeless population as well, because

[0:34:20] Voice 6: not everybody wants to live in a stack-and-pack building with therapists, live in therapists

[0:34:26] Voice 6: like what they have over on, what is it, Drake Road?

[0:34:30] Voice 6: You know, I'll give you an example.

[0:34:33] Voice 6: Somebody like CJ, who has PTSD, that yells all the time.

[0:34:38] Voice 6: He can't live, like, within close proximity of other people.

[0:34:42] Voice 6: He's just going to disturb a whole bunch of other people.

[0:34:44] Voice 6: What do you mean it's a big property to live on?

[0:34:46] Voice 6: You know, that's the bottom line.

[0:34:48] Voice 6: I mean, or the alternative is you displace somebody like that,

[0:34:52] Voice 6: and then they wind up homeless and sleeping in the woods,

[0:34:55] Voice 6: or they wind up buying a boat and sinking the boat

[0:34:58] Voice 6: and keeping their waste all over the place,

[0:35:00] Voice 6: or, yeah, people in trailers.

[0:35:02] Voice 6: And instead of being on a property where you can actually manage the situation

[0:35:06] Voice 6: and help the homeowner do something about it to get it up to your standards,

[0:35:10] Voice 6: it seems like you might be more interested in displacing that person

[0:35:14] Voice 6: and like i've heard plenty of stories of people they're inside the trailers and then instead of

[0:35:19] Voice 6: getting their trailer pumped out like because they're traveling around or whatever they just

[0:35:24] Voice 6: dump it out on the side of the road or in the sewer so it seems like maybe the policies are

[0:35:28] Voice 6: exacerbating the problems thank you yes local trust committee i should come here today to

[0:35:44] Voice 6: to attack you, but thank you for the hard decisions you make

[0:35:47] Voice 6: to keep our island and

[0:35:49] Voice 6: our community safe. These laws are here for reasons. So my son and I were desperately

[0:35:57] Voice 6: needing a place to live when we moved to Salt Spring Island. I really appreciate the story

[0:36:02] Voice 6: shared by many people here who found housing at 155 Bettis like we did. We had nowhere

[0:36:09] Voice 6: where to go um that's how desperate we were we were offered a spot there for 13.50 a month which

[0:36:17] Voice 6: came down to 1200 with negotiations i'm a solo mom i have been for over eight years entirely on my

[0:36:23] Voice 6: own um so for 1200 a month my son my dog and i shared about a 300 square foot makeshift

[0:36:31] Voice 6: unzoned completely illegal dwelling um our bathroom was outside all year round we had a

[0:36:38] Voice 6: shower for the hose which sometimes was not hot and a poop bucket um that

[0:36:44] Voice 6: we were to dump in one

[0:36:46] Voice 6: of two small car sized piles of human waste leaching into the ground into the ground water

[0:36:53] Voice 6: when i spoke to islands health and islands trust and crd they were appalled they said it's one of

[0:36:59] Voice 6: the worst cases they've seen on island thus far hence why we're all here today i've come alone

[0:37:05] Voice 6: own because I feel like I needed to be here to offer that part of the story. It was without

[0:37:11] Voice 6: question the most horrific living situation I've ever been in. I've lived in over 40 countries

[0:37:16] Voice 6: all around the world. I've volunteered in Aboriginal communities in Eagle Bay, Hyderabad,

[0:37:21] Voice 6: India, Tadansi in Cambodia, worked in South Africa, Siem Reap, Johannesburg, Cape Town.

[0:37:28] Voice 6: I've been on the ground in really bad living situations that seem to be doing better than

[0:37:34] Voice 6: And we were at $1,200 a month here in Canada.

[0:37:39] Voice 3: More than a dozen bylaws were broken

[0:37:41] Voice 6: by Savannah and Alita.

[0:37:44] Voice 6: And they are asking for this to go through, which would give anyone and everyone a green light to do whatever they want.

[0:37:54] Voice 6: It would basically be a wasteland if anything goes.

[0:37:56] Voice 6: And I agree more than

[0:37:59] Voice 6: and just as much as anyone here that we need more housing on this island.

[0:38:03] Voice 6: We do.

[0:38:03] Voice 6: too. We need safe, secure, proper, legitimate housing for families, for everyone. My son and

[0:38:11] Voice 6: I have been doing the Salt Spring Shuffle for years now, but that experience was by far the

[0:38:16] Voice 6: absolute worst. My mother passed away while I was living there, and the morning I woke up to try to

[0:38:20] Voice 6: go have a shower to wash away endless tears, a giant rat was in our, it was a rat infested

[0:38:28] Voice 6: the situation the the rat compiled in the shower endlessly i had to pick up a huge bat and deal

[0:38:35] Voice 6: with it hours after i learned that my mother left her body that wasn't acknowledged once by

[0:38:40] Voice 6: Savannah when i saw her she didn't acknowledge at all it was a horrible experience um and i'm

[0:38:45] Voice 6: just here today to thank you for doing what you do if this goes through anything goes on the

[0:38:49] Voice 6: silent and it's not okay thank you

[0:38:52] Voice 12: um

[0:38:57] Voice 6: hi thank you for the opportunity to speak my name is

[0:39:01] Voice 6: association we're the ones i know the trustee's office but we're trying to

[0:39:11] Voice 6: develop a 50 unit affordable housing project on this lane um i want to acknowledge that

[0:39:17] Voice 6: wallace and a lot of community support for it we are also aware that we've been receiving some um

[0:39:22] Voice 6: expressions of concern from some of the neighbors so i just wanted to have an opportunity to

[0:39:27] Voice 6: try to address some of the points that they've raised um first of all in terms of the zoning

[0:39:32] Voice 6: and density we're not proposing an increase in the density it's currently zoned for 50 units

[0:39:38] Voice 6: what we would like to do is have a change from affordable senior housing to just affordable

[0:39:45] Voice 6: affordable housing because that seems to be a closer match to what the community needs right now.

[0:39:50] Voice 6: We're not asking for an increase in density.

[0:39:54] Voice 6: The property has been designated for multi-family housing since the initial plan was

[0:39:59] Voice 6: adopted in 1998.

[0:40:01] Voice 6: So this area is somewhere that that sort of use can be expected.

[0:40:06] Voice 6: We've been working hard to some people suggested we should leave it at seniors housing.

[0:40:11] Voice 6: we already run a senior housing project network

[0:40:15] Voice 6: on Athens Road and we've been working hard

[0:40:17] Voice 6: to determine whether more is needed.

[0:40:20] Voice 6: In our estimation, there isn't a need

[0:40:23] Voice 6: and that there's funding available

[0:40:25] Voice 6: to develop additional senior housing.

[0:40:29] Voice 6: There is however, a care well documented

[0:40:31] Voice 6: for affordable workforce housing,

[0:40:33] Voice 6: especially for healthcare workers

[0:40:35] Voice 6: and that is the need that we're trying to meet.

[0:40:38] Voice 6: importantly seniors would not be excluded so there's nothing if we are able to proceed with

[0:40:45] Voice 6: this project there's nothing to say that seniors couldn't live there we're just trying to broaden

[0:40:50] Voice 6: there was concerns raised about the neighboring agricultural land and impacts on that it's not

[0:40:59] Voice 6: currently being farmed but nevertheless our design shows we're trying to minimize any impacts on that

[0:41:05] Voice 6: line buffer that land by maintaining vegetation buffers adjacent to it and managing any stormwater

[0:41:12] Voice 6: drainage so there's no impact on the agricultural map um and we're not aware of the concerns about

[0:41:19] Voice 6: traffic and noise and all the things that the letter writers have raised um being in place for

[0:41:26] Voice 6: other affordable housing projects or other multifamily projects um the

[0:41:31] Voice 4: location is ideal

[0:41:32] Voice 6: deal for multifamily housing because it's it is walkable and so concerns about increased traffic

[0:41:39] Voice 6: and that sort of thing i think there will be some increased traffic but we're trying to make the

[0:41:43] Voice 6: development as pedestrian friendly as possible so that people are able to link into pedestrian

[0:41:49] Voice 6: routes to grocery stores and the bus route and that sort of thing and minimize um traffic we

[0:41:56] Voice 6: we are also concerned about traffic and pedestrian safety and that's my time right so

[0:42:03] Voice 6: um the other i i'm happy to share with uh some of the other our responses to some of the other

[0:42:09] Voice 6: issues but overall we're doing our best to manage the impacts of this proposed development to

[0:42:15] Voice 6: protect the community uh within the range that we're able to do that

[0:42:20] Voice 6: talking about answering questions

[0:42:26] hi

[0:42:29] Voice 6: my name is mine i've been a resident here um since 88.

[0:42:38] Voice 6: i'm here to just remind

[0:42:43] Voice 3: you that over the years we've had so many instances of um

[0:42:48] Voice 3: We've had eco-housing weekends, we've had eco-home tours, we've had this commitment to living in a different way that's more in harmony with nature.

[0:43:02] Voice 3: And I very much

[0:43:05] Voice 6: support landlords who are trying to find solutions to have people just finding little ways to live on their land.

[0:43:16] Voice 6: so um i sent an email to trustee patrick about this um composting

[0:43:24] Voice 6: um housing situation i saw on a post on exchange and i looked at the video and i thought i'd like

[0:43:31] Voice 6: to live there and it's true what the young man said like it's it's nicer than what the government

[0:43:37] Voice 6: by the buildings and rain so um i encourage you to look at what can be done about you know these

[0:43:47] Voice 6: goals of um preserve and protect along with how we live and it all seems to go together and i also

[0:43:57] Voice 6: have to comment about i think commenting about parking like can we reduce the parking because

[0:44:05] Voice 6: because we witnessed all this summer the huge buy-ups of traffic,

[0:44:13] Voice 6: and partly because of the construction.

[0:44:15] Voice 6: But I keep warning Islanders and the LCC and the Trust

[0:44:20] Voice 6: that we've got to look at traffic and how we transport ourselves,

[0:44:25] Voice 6: because howling and transportation go together on each and one side of the coin.

[0:44:32] Voice 6: So let's do that.

[0:44:43] Voice 15: Thank you for allowing me to speak. I'm here today to speak on behalf of Positively Forward

[0:44:49] Voice 15: and Keep Salt Spring Sustainable about the OCP LUB review. And I try to point out where what

[0:44:57] Voice 15: I'm going to say is very relevant to the need for affordable housing. First, we are concerned

[0:45:03] Voice 15: that the LUB that's being proposed and drafted

[0:45:11] Voice 15: is being drafted before a new trust policy statement

[0:45:15] Voice 15: is developed and adopted.

[0:45:17] Voice 15: It isn't possible to write an OCP and LUB

[0:45:20] Voice 15: that are consistent with both the current TPS

[0:45:24] Voice 15: and the new drafting process.

[0:45:26] Voice 15: Further work on the OCP should wait

[0:45:29] Voice 15: until the new TPS is approved by the BC government

[0:45:32] Voice 15: to push ahead on both at once is a waste of public time and money.

[0:45:37] Voice 15: Second, we are very concerned about the public outreach does not include even one community

[0:45:44] Voice 15: meeting where people can hear the pros and cons of proposed OCP language, explanations

[0:45:51] Voice 15: of terminology, and how certain policies could impact the island.

[0:45:56] Voice 15: It is not sufficient to ask people their opinion without giving them any background on the

[0:46:02] Voice 15: the issues at stake. This approach will mostly result in uninformed opinions of little value.

[0:46:10] Voice 15: And a good example of this is that there are people proposing to do zoning in Ganges.

[0:46:16] Voice 15: They don't understand that if you do that, you can give up opportunity to require that this

[0:46:23] Voice 15: housing be affordable. We are very concerned that if we have increased density, that it be

[0:46:30] Voice 15: for affordable really truly affordable housing third there seems to be an attempt to avoid

[0:46:38] Voice 15: controversy and bypass community debate but there is controversy there is lack of agreement on key

[0:46:46] Voice 15: policies and failing to inform the public of the real alternatives being suggested is to hide those

[0:46:53] Voice 15: issues on purpose. Attempting to hide some viewpoints amounts to promoting others and

[0:47:00] Voice 15: it's not acceptable. And the controversy is about how to provide affordable housing that

[0:47:07] Voice 15: will truly be affordable. That is the issue. And I've heard from a lot of people today

[0:47:14] Voice 15: that are concerned about this. This is what we are concerned about. And this is why we

[0:47:19] Voice 15: want to have a meeting where people can come together and can all hear about what these

[0:47:25] Voice 15: what these different ideas are and their implications then people can decide for themselves

[0:47:31] Voice 15: which side they're on what they want to have in the ocp thank you

[0:47:40] Voice 6: to the chair thank you um

[0:47:44] Voice 7: are you aware of um some of the neighboring jurisdictions

[0:47:48] Voice 7: jurisdictions such as Tofino and Whistler and Cowichan who have run workforce ownership housing

[0:47:55] projects that are in the works and are actually completed

[0:48:00] Voice 7: and happening and they're controlled

[0:48:03] Voice 7: by housing authority? I'm

[0:48:08] Voice 15: sure there are really good examples of how we could be doing things here

[0:48:12] Voice 15: and that's what we should be following. In housing that's guaranteed to be affordable for the people

[0:48:19] Voice 15: we're trying to target the the project that linda adams just spoke about this is one really good

[0:48:26] Voice 15: example well

[0:48:27] Voice 7: there's some just saying there's others in neighboring jurisdictions and if you

[0:48:30] Voice 7: were willing to look into those and bring those forward where

[0:48:35] Voice 15: we can hear about that that would

[0:48:37] Voice 6: be great

[0:48:37] Voice 16: if you guys need to have this conversation outside of the meeting thank you

[0:48:41] Voice 16: uh was there

[0:48:42] Voice 16: anyone else that had anything that was that they haven't shared yet go ahead hi

[0:48:47] Voice 14: my name is delores

[0:48:54] Voice 14: c gray peel and i'm so glad i came i in the salt spring exchange i read about this lady and her

[0:49:05] Voice 14: problems with housing and trying to house people i myself first moved here in 1982

[0:49:13] Voice 14: 1982. Couldn't afford the housing, but I was able to buy a teepee from the Kamloops First Nations

[0:49:24] Voice 14: and get permission through the Saanich First Nations to put it on the Indian Reserve. So I

[0:49:32] Voice 14: have a long history with First Nations. I have raised seven of my grandchildren and 10 of them

[0:49:42] Voice 14: our First Nations.

[0:49:44] Voice 14: So I

[0:49:45] Voice 14: know that there are alternate

[0:49:49] Voice 14: routes that

[0:49:51] Voice 14: we should be looking at to help

[0:49:53] Voice 14: people. And

[0:49:55] Voice 14: right now, one of my First

[0:49:58] Voice 14: Nations granddaughter has been living out

[0:50:00] Voice 14: there on a boat because

[0:50:02] Voice 14: she can't afford the housing,

[0:50:04] Voice 14: right? I'm so scared for

[0:50:07] Voice 14: her because it's not

[0:50:09] Voice 14: safe out there.

[0:50:10] Voice 14: I actually owned

[0:50:13] Voice 14: a houseboat out there

[0:50:15] Voice 14: that unfortunately a very rich man on this island blew up and it was him and it was set up

[0:50:23] Voice 14: they set up this situation to get rid of my home and

[0:50:30] Voice 16: like no that you

[0:50:31] Voice 16: address yeah i'm addressing

[0:50:32] Voice 14: all of you because these people are important too yes and i'm addressing you

[0:50:37] Voice 14: okay

[0:50:38] Voice 15: uh

[0:50:40] Voice 16: excuse me

[0:50:41] Voice 16: no okay

[0:50:44] Voice 14: i'll comply so you know this island has a long history of problems i think so and

[0:50:57] Voice 14: if we don't try to save the lives of people what are we on this earth for to save the fact

[0:51:05] Voice 14: we need to save families we need to save people and by doing this we need to provide

[0:51:11] Voice 14: provide adequate help to those that are trying to help others without driving them off the land.

[0:51:21] Voice 14: And I recently, in 2019, rented a place next to co-op. And I put in there several units,

[0:51:34] Voice 14: several um rvs trailers blah blah blah and most of the homeless people i had in there

[0:51:42] Voice 14: were mentally ill in some degree due to drugs and alcohol and this is a real problem in our

[0:51:53] Voice 14: society that we need to address first if we're going to you know we need more mental health in

[0:51:59] Voice 14: the society and housing is and food are the two main things we got to provide for these people

[0:52:07] Voice 14: i am 44 years clean and sober i know a lot about the disease and the destruction

[0:52:17] Voice 14: that happens in our society and in other societies i know too as a person that's traveled

[0:52:27] Voice 14: leveled that this is not just going to happen here it's everywhere everywhere is struggling

[0:52:32] Voice 14: with housing sewage or whatever you're struggling with and we need to come together better and be

[0:52:40] Voice 14: more loving for these people show compassion get them help you know our funds the road was it

[0:52:50] Voice 14: necessary they're just going to be speeding up and down there okay

[0:52:54] Voice 6: yes okay

[0:52:57] Voice 14: Okay, the dinger went.

[0:52:58] Voice 14: Yeah, so I've been here since the 80s, on and off, because of housing and because of my lifestyle.

[0:53:06] Voice 14: I was a traveling artist for many years.

[0:53:09] Voice 14: So I've lived in places like Belize, where the sewage is right there, running down the ditches.

[0:53:16] Voice 14: Guatemala, same thing.

[0:53:17] Voice 14: Anyway, this is a problem, I agree, because it can spread disease.

[0:53:21] Voice 14: but we need to help these people

[0:53:25] Voice 14: to accommodate these people

[0:53:26] Voice 14: and look after the problem

[0:53:28] Voice 14: thank you very much

[0:53:30] Voice 14: God bless you all

[0:53:33] Voice 16: is there anyone who hasn't

[0:53:35] Voice 16: spoken yet who wants to speak

[0:53:36] Voice 16: okay

[0:53:39] Voice 16: may

[0:53:40] Voice 3: I ask a question

[0:53:43] Voice 3: I came here

[0:53:45] Voice 3: to learn

[0:53:45] Voice 3: the process

[0:53:48] Voice 3: and

[0:53:50] Voice 3: what I've heard so far

[0:53:52] Voice 3: As far as you are a member of the United States, and you're not, the bylaw officers are another thing.

[0:54:01] Voice 3: So my question is, I hope you understand, who are the bylaw officers? Are they elected? Who and who

[0:54:09] Voice 3: is paying their salary?

[0:54:15] Voice 6: Bylaw officers are not elected, and they are paid by taxpayers.

[0:54:23] Voice 6: anyone else that hasn't spoken okay well we do have a full agenda so i'm going to move us along

[0:54:38] Voice 6: um we're now on the trustee report section and i'll start with the trustee thank you

[0:54:45] Voice 7: tracking short um it's truly a somber day um for me um my heart goes out to all including

[0:54:53] Voice 7: many people in salisbury who mourned the assassination of charlie kirk yesterday in

[0:54:57] Voice 7: in Utah while speaking at a university there.

[0:54:59] Voice 7: His voice for common sense and much that is good

[0:55:02] Voice 7: in the world is more than a tragedy.

[0:55:05] Voice 7: And it will not be forgotten anytime soon

[0:55:07] Voice 7: as he is now a martyr for truth and freedom.

[0:55:10] Voice 7: Yesterday evening, we had the first trust council

[0:55:14] Voice 7: public engagement for the new controversial

[0:55:15] Voice 7: draft policy statement.

[0:55:17] Voice 7: It was very, very poorly attended.

[0:55:20] Voice 7: I attended, but I witnessed there was only 80 people,

[0:55:24] Voice 7: including staff and trustees.

[0:55:28] Voice 7: It was an electronic Zoom meeting, and it was recorded, so that'll be on the website for other people to see, I suppose, you know, if they're interested.

[0:55:38] Voice 7: The members of the public that were there could not speak, but instead had to type in any questions or comments to trustees.

[0:55:45] Voice 7: Trustees were not allowed to speak. I couldn't speak to any of the questions from the public, as many others couldn't.

[0:55:51] Voice 7: only the vice chairs and this is a quote were prepped to speak on the matter which i'm really

[0:55:57] Voice 7: not certain what that really means but um the presentation from staff and vice chairs on the

[0:56:04] Voice 7: draft policy statement in my view was highly biased in support of the document which is in

[0:56:10] Voice 7: my opinion grossly overreaching my warning to all community members concerned for private property

[0:56:14] Voice 7: rights and housing for the workforce is that you must get out and oppose this new draft policy

[0:56:20] Voice 7: statement which is worse than the draft policy statement from last term in my opinion which was

[0:56:25] Voice 7: also very overreaching and is what spurred me to part of what spurred me to run for election

[0:56:29] Voice 7: along with a partner of mine who didn't unfortunately make it in um the draft policy

[0:56:36] Voice 7: statement is written now um in my view along with others will mean a total freeze on development on

[0:56:44] Voice 7: salt spring island some are trying to whitewash this saying um and gaslight telling us that the

[0:56:50] Voice 7: words in the draft policy statement don't mean what they say. Again, you know, I'm not as easily

[0:56:59] Voice 7: fooled as some possibly may be. The new draft policy statement, coupled with the upcoming

[0:57:04] Voice 7: Salt Spring official community plan, will have a very negative effect on the social and economic

[0:57:09] Voice 7: well-being of the Salt Spring Island community that is already on its last legs in many aspects,

[0:57:16] Voice 7: in my opinion, along with others on this. You know, it'll mean a complete stranglehold

[0:57:22] Voice 7: will be put on any efforts for much-needed zoning

[0:57:25] Voice 7: for workforce ownership slash rental housing,

[0:57:27] Voice 7: even if we get two like-minded trustees elected next term

[0:57:31] Voice 7: who are progressive in their convictions

[0:57:34] Voice 7: and have a real, you know, together as a backbone

[0:57:40] Voice 7: for creating much-needed zoning.

[0:57:41] Voice 7: If the two trustees elect to push for this,

[0:57:45] Voice 7: if this draft policy statement goes through as written,

[0:57:49] Voice 7: our decisions could be vetoed at the Trust Council

[0:57:52] Voice 7: executive committee and then possibly in the province what we want to change does is not in

[0:57:57] Voice 7: line with the draft policy statement so it's very important um if people are um you know opposed to

[0:58:06] Voice 7: this then please tell your friends tell your neighbors um write to the trust council write

[0:58:13] Voice 7: to the ltc come to meetings come to the you know try and approach the province and um you know the

[0:58:23] Voice 7: The fact, in my mind, that the Executive Committee and the Trust Council could veto what two

[0:58:30] Voice 7: trustees wish to happen for Salisbury Island, which is by far the most populated island

[0:58:37] Voice 7: in the Trust Council area, it's just undemocratic representation, gross undemocratic representation

[0:58:46] Voice 7: in my view, which we're supposed to be afforded democratic representation under the Canadian

[0:58:52] Voice 7: in charge of rights and freedoms anyhow i strongly oppose this new drug policy statement as written

[0:58:57] Voice 7: and i urge everyone to get informed on it read it and then

[0:59:02] Voice 7: make up your own mind thank you

[0:59:10] Voice 6: um hey good morning

[0:59:14] Voice 6: um i did mention you may have heard the beginning for the uh

[0:59:19] Voice 6: in addition to this agenda packet item on us convening a meeting to explore options to file

[0:59:30] Voice 6: enforcement for non-conforming housing this is not about necessarily the the file that's

[0:59:37] Voice 6: been talked about much today in the morning town hall this is an overall approach um that i'm

[0:59:44] Voice 6: will be because illegal housing or non-conforming housing or what we want to call it we're relying

[0:59:53] Voice 6: on it to house many people on the island a more compassionate approach

[1:00:00] Voice 6: to help people live in conditions that are good and to work with the situation, not bring in a heavy hammer with lighter tools might be better.

[1:00:13] Voice 6: This weekend is our Pride Parade and Rally. I am so honored that this island supports a diverse and inclusive island.

[1:00:24] Voice 6: this is the weekend that gives us that boost of support and look forward to seeing everyone out

[1:00:31] Voice 6: there um as usual there's a lot going on locally i attended our advisory planning committee meeting

[1:00:38] Voice 6: to for the project the ocp language bylaw project and heard their discussions and conversations

[1:00:48] Voice 6: um and i know this fighting vaccine you brought up sort of a town hall approach and that was

[1:00:53] Voice 6: discussed uh with the engagement consultants that town halls like today some of you even yourself

[1:00:58] Voice 6: said i don't speak in public i'm nervous public speaking is difficult it's challenging and town

[1:01:04] Voice 6: halls aren't always the best place to have those good conversations and do new things because

[1:01:09] Voice 6: you're afraid um so we want to make sure our engagement process is designed to get out and

[1:01:15] Voice 6: hear the voices collect the voices and to get the information that we need and to get it in a way

[1:01:22] Voice 6: that respects our community and so you'll hear more about our ocp project that's coming up and

[1:01:29] Voice 6: how the engagement has been designed to be inclusive that was our direction to the staff of

[1:01:34] Voice 6: following modern approaches to inclusivity in getting engagement with the community

[1:01:42] Voice 6: i also attended the salt spring foundation founders table

[1:01:48] Voice 6: I really think the Salt Spring Foundation is pulling together funders, there's a lot of projects that sometimes need that one kick to get over the top to get a really good project going and kicked off and I'm glad to be participating in that process and look forward to seeing them do a lot of good for this community.

[1:02:09] Voice 6: I also attended several steering committee meetings organized under MP Maeve's office for a cross-border forum, a government-to-government forum that's being planned in October.

[1:02:23] Voice 6: October. At the federation level, I was stressed as a federation where we all come together.

[1:02:29] Voice 6: I attended the regional planning committee regular and special meetings. We're having

[1:02:33] Voice 6: deep discussion about moving forward, what monitoring success looks like. Are we having

[1:02:42] Voice 6: success? What does it look like? Is it dynamic, which it probably should be, that it evolves

[1:02:48] Voice 6: and changes over time? Or is it static where we collect a piece of information and hang

[1:02:52] Voice 6: on to it for a long time how do we evolve to to monitor um our community in the environment

[1:02:59] Voice 6: in a dynamic way uh we had a joint executive committee trust conservancy meeting trust

[1:03:06] Voice 6: conservancy i think is really stepping into their third

[1:03:10] Voice 13: and fifth year of existence

[1:03:15] Voice 6: protecting land and i chaired three executive committee meetings since our last meeting

[1:03:21] Voice 6: Also, we had a Trust Council special meeting in July where we made first reading to the

[1:03:25] Voice 6: Trust Policy Statement.

[1:03:26] Voice 6: And I chaired two Gabriel Local Trust Committees in Gambier.

[1:03:30] Voice 6: Both of these Local Trust Committees have OCP land use by law projects actively on the

[1:03:36] Voice 6: go right now.

[1:03:36] Voice 6: So it's great because I get to learn what their communities are doing as we apply it

[1:03:40] Voice 6: here.

[1:03:42] Voice 6: Trust Programs Committee, Governance Committee, Financial Planning Committee, lots of meetings

[1:03:46] Voice 6: that I've attended.

[1:03:47] Voice 6: and I attended the Heritage Conservation Act

[1:03:49] Voice 6: Transformation Project Info Session.

[1:03:51] Voice 6: That is a provincial piece of legislation

[1:03:53] Voice 6: that's really looking at transforming

[1:03:56] Voice 6: into a better

[1:03:57] Voice 6: way of protecting,

[1:03:58] Voice 6: in particular, the archeological sites throughout BC,

[1:04:02] Voice 6: many of which are on this island,

[1:04:04] Voice 6: how it could be a better process.

[1:04:07] Voice 6: And last night's Trust Policy Statement Webinar.

[1:04:12] Voice 6: um i you know it is difficult to have a federation meeting it was but it i think it's a good format

[1:04:20] Voice 6: for getting out and at least exposing some people from here i think i'll let you talk about two

[1:04:26] Voice 6: meetings coming hopefully and i'll i'll end there thank you thank

[1:04:31] Voice 16: you uh so for my chair's report

[1:04:33] Voice 16: i'm not going to repeat uh everything that

[1:04:36] Voice 6: uh patrick uh mentioned though many of those

[1:04:39] Voice 6: committee meetings also attended and the heritage conservation act webinar um but yes trust council

[1:04:48] Voice 6: did give a first reading to the draft policy statement on july 29th which means that referrals

[1:04:54] Voice 6: to first nations and agencies has launched um just council is committed to a six-month public

[1:05:00] engagement period um which is up until february 6th

[1:05:05] Voice 16: and in addition to the online and paper

[1:05:09] Voice 16: for surveys that are coming um the triple trust committees determine what level of local engagement

[1:05:15] Voice 16: is appropriate um

[1:05:17] Voice 6: here on salt spring there are two on in-person events um october 18th at the

[1:05:25] Voice 6: alzheimer's but sea church 3 to 5 p.m and october 22nd at falter hall 6 38 p.m uh

[1:05:34] Voice 16: trust council is

[1:05:35] Voice 16: going to meet next week um on gabriola for our quarterly meeting agenda items include the

[1:05:42] Voice 6: disposition of recommendations from the 2022 governance report uh there'll be a briefing from

[1:05:48] Voice 6: the chief administrative officer on the current operational review review of some early budget

[1:05:54] Voice 6: items committee chair reports and the bylaw compliance and enforcement policy review

[1:06:01] Voice 6: you

[1:06:02] Voice 16: very pleased to share that douglas white the third special counsel

[1:06:06] Voice 6: to the premier on

[1:06:07] Voice 6: indigenous reconciliation who's a lawyer a former councillor chief of the name of first nation

[1:06:12] Voice 6: will be giving a talk to trust council on his trust in first nations relations and partnerships

[1:06:18] Voice 6: his cv is hugely impressive i had the fortune uh to attend a talk with him last fall and he's just

[1:06:26] Voice 6: a captivating speaker with such a broad range of knowledge um it's it's a treat for all of all of

[1:06:34] Voice 6: the trustees and the folks that are able to attend our webinar executive committee uh has a meeting

[1:06:42] Voice 6: with the new minister for housing municipal affairs christine boyle um next week on september

[1:06:49] Voice 6: 15th which will be essentially a short introductory meeting um with the new minister and members of

[1:06:55] Voice 6: executive committee and senior staff um also have received confirmation of some meetings with

[1:07:02] Voice 6: ministry staff at the union bc municipalities uh conference later in the month um we have a meeting

[1:07:09] Voice 6: with uh water land and resource stewardship around crown land leases and referrals

[1:07:16] Voice 6: with bc assessment on understanding the process um on the islands and the impact of the ability

[1:07:23] Voice 6: to ensure properties with regards to assessed values,

[1:07:28] Voice 6: BC Housing and Municipal Affairs

[1:07:29] Voice 6: on housing needs agreement methodology,

[1:07:32] Voice 6: housing needs of islands and rural communities,

[1:07:35] Voice 6: and regulation of tiny homes on wheels.

[1:07:39] Voice 6: Also, Ministry staff,

[1:07:40] Voice 6: we are hoping are going to present

[1:07:43] Voice 6: to December's Trust Council

[1:07:45] Voice 6: on the short-term rental regulations

[1:07:47] Voice 6: and opting into the principal residence requirement.

[1:07:51] Voice 6: Salt Spring did receive a letter this summer from the ministry confirming that the opt-in has for Salt Spring has been approved, which will come into place in November.

[1:08:04] Voice 6: And that is it for my chair's report today.

[1:08:09] Voice 6: So we have regrets from the CRD

[1:08:16] Voice 16: director and the chair of the local community commission today.

[1:08:19] Voice 16: They often are

[1:08:21] Voice 6: usually come and give a report at our meetings, but they have a conflicting meeting today

[1:08:26] Voice 6: Of course you can't join us

[1:08:30] Voice 16: so we do next we have minutes of

[1:08:36] Voice 6: The main 22nd special meeting for adoption and I'll look to trustees to see if there's any amendments to those minutes

[1:08:44] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick. Oh, it's again the section 3.1 in there

[1:08:50] Voice 6: We have a lot of bullet points that bullet point conversations, some of them are opinions of individuals, not an outcome of the conversation.

[1:08:59] Voice 6: So I'm, again, concerned when we just have these bullets because the public reads this at some point in the future, you think we all agreed

[1:09:07] Voice 6: on these bullet items in conversation when they were the opinion of one individual in the meeting wasn't shared.

[1:09:15] Voice 6: So I don't know how we can work that better

[1:09:21] Voice 6: on particular some of the points in there.

[1:09:29] Voice 6: Yeah, I'll note that the minutes you're referring to

[1:09:32] Voice 6: was one of our joint meetings

[1:09:34] Voice 6: with the local community commission.

[1:09:35] Voice 6: So the points that are bulleted there,

[1:09:40] Voice 6: I guess we could consider with staff

[1:09:45] Voice 6: what might be a better way to preface those.

[1:09:50] Voice 6: But, yeah, certainly they're not, that's not necessarily represented by consensus around the table.

[1:09:58] Voice 6: Was there anything else in these minutes?

[1:10:00] Voice 6: That

[1:10:01] Voice 11: was my only...

[1:10:02] Voice 11: And I would

[1:10:02] Voice 6: just suggest that maybe we confer with staff and see how we might sort of preface how those comments are sort of presented.

[1:10:14] Voice 6: So can I take it by general consent that those minutes be adopted as presented?

[1:10:19] Voice 6: Or do you want to take further?

[1:10:21] Voice 6: or i don't know we'll be able to resolve today we could we could defer adopting them if you prefer

[1:10:31] Voice 6: well there's incorrect statements a land use authority for the delivery of potable water

[1:10:36] Voice 6: and should continue to take the lead that i mean the island structure doesn't have authority for

[1:10:42] Voice 6: the delivery of potable water and continues safely so it's an it's an inaccurate bullet

[1:10:48] Voice 6: it um and then the next one's uh you know it's it's an opinion of one individual um so

[1:10:57] Voice 6: so these are those are fair points we can take those amendments away um

[1:11:02] Voice 6: it's it's aimed at the bottom the overall here is a discussion of really the

[1:11:08] Voice 12: status of

[1:11:14] Voice 6: there really isn't a no most of these points are not necessarily substantive or contributing

[1:11:24] Voice 6: kind of decision making it's a question of how much do you how do you tell people

[1:11:30] Voice 6: that it's to be in regular lbc minutes you know more combat we're more concerned about

[1:11:40] decisions made in the decision making body whereas we're going to assemble

[1:11:46] that's not that's not the case

[1:11:48] Voice 6: it may be more expensive or certainly this isn't correct

[1:11:56] Voice 6: you can how do you i would be interested to know how lbc wants to represent

[1:12:01] Voice 6: i think we should generally follow the normal protocols for for minute taking conversations

[1:12:11] Voice 6: are broad and and i think just saying we had a conversation broadly on this topic

[1:12:20] Voice 6: This is an inaccurate bullet, that one, and then the next one says that it was an opinion

[1:12:27] Voice 6: of an LCC member who thought that SWPA should be used to review a report that's already

[1:12:32] Voice 6: been endorsed.

[1:12:33] Voice 6: And so that's not going to happen.

[1:12:35] Voice 6: So it's, they're both too inaccurate comments that now are minutes that could be used in

[1:12:44] Voice 6: the future.

[1:12:45] Voice 6: so that that's just those two in particular stood out to me um but can we do that and i certainly

[1:12:54] Voice 6: think that notes i think it looks like that being that was the section here from one of the minutes

[1:12:58] Voice 6: revise those um

[1:13:07] okay so we can defer and

[1:13:12] Voice 6: think about it

[1:13:13] Voice 6: no you can approve through general consent okay corrections made to section 3.1 okay um so general

[1:13:21] Voice 6: consent there uh

[1:13:25] Voice 16: and then we have the draft minutes of july 10th regular meeting oh sorry

[1:13:29] Voice 16: oh uh go ahead lisa um

[1:13:35] Voice 8: thank you chair peterson um i'm not sure what to note in the minutes that

[1:13:39] Voice 8: we're approving by general consent uh as amended okay to

[1:13:45] Voice 16: be amended to

[1:13:46] Voice 8: be amended section 3.1

[1:13:48] Voice 16: yeah and and this is that with staff and mr hutton has the point to believe yeah okay

[1:13:56] Voice 16: that's sufficient thank

[1:13:57] Voice 8: you yes okay

[1:13:58] Voice 16: uh so then we do have the draft minutes of july 10th regular

[1:14:03] Voice 16: meeting production I'll look for any corrections there seeing none I'll take

[1:14:09] Voice 6: it by general consent will approve those and then we have the draft minutes of

[1:14:15] Voice 6: the advisory planning Commission's for information starting on page 22 just

[1:14:21] Voice 6: like to express my appreciation for the minutes and the work of the commissioners

[1:14:30] Voice 16: moving on we have a number of pieces of correspondence here eat them I believe

[1:14:34] Voice 16: leave and um

[1:14:35] Voice 6: i

[1:14:37] Voice 16: think we'll just go through them one at a time and see if there's any desire to

[1:14:42] Voice 6: raise any of them for discussion or action so anything on 9.1 uh trustee patrick well i just

[1:14:50] Voice 6: i'm a bit frustrated this conversation's been going on and on with this landowner um

[1:14:59] Voice 6: and i guess i'd look to stop to update us on the process i mean they want to have their land

[1:15:06] Voice 6: I am removed from the LR.

[1:15:07] Voice 6: They say, we need to do the letter, but without,

[1:15:09] Voice 6: I don't know how, we can't just ask for a piece of property

[1:15:12] Voice 6: without an application or a process that goes.

[1:15:14] Voice 6: I looked to staff for what is,

[1:15:19] Voice 6: what's happening with this,

[1:15:21] Voice 6: and is there some action on our part

[1:15:23] Voice 6: that we are expected to take now?

[1:15:36] Voice 6: This, so there's an argument for it.

[1:15:41] Voice 6: If it essentially amounts to an ALR application, it seems to me that, like, if it amounts to a request the LPC apply, then we need to follow up, have a conversation with the applicant, and determine, ideally, in this situation,

[1:16:04] Voice 6: The province will sort of impose this requirement that the local government be the applicant

[1:16:09] now.

[1:16:11] Voice 6: Not the case in most of the situations, in most of the situations we've had a couple

[1:16:17] Voice 6: scenario of having to present applications that may not meet their own OCD policy.

[1:16:23] Voice 6: What quite often happens is we would essentially have that person may act as the agent on behalf

[1:16:31] Voice 6: what we have expressed so they can essentially have their own application so um this is before

[1:16:37] Voice 6: you now we can certainly follow up on it so we haven't really gotten to that point as far as i

[1:16:45] Voice 6: know um the solid application just here can the ltc send a letter to the alc the alc question

[1:17:00] Voice 6: it can so we would we would be needing direction from LPC to proceed with a request uh to that we

[1:17:09] that the LPC essentially apply certainly this state would

[1:17:16] Voice 6: be fair to request that staff

[1:17:19] Voice 6: determine a structure of what an application would look like and come back for that

[1:17:24] Voice 6: recommendation so go ahead to the application just how long will that take it's really just

[1:17:32] Voice 6: following up on an inquiry i don't think we'd want to do this for a few years now to actually be

[1:17:40] Voice 6: you know a big help to the community to have this projected through

[1:17:46] Voice 6: for where it is and all the rest of it um so is the ltc willing to ask staff to go ahead with this

[1:18:02] Voice 13: my experience has always been there's

[1:18:04] Voice 6: an applicant that comes to us with a recommendation either

[1:18:08] Voice 6: there to or not to we've not always agreed with staff in the past and then a letter is then sent

[1:18:17] Voice 6: to the ALC so this has been an unusual process where they keep asking us for a letter there's

[1:18:23] Voice 6: no application so we don't have a staff analysis as to what are they asking for

[1:18:30] and so

[1:18:32] Voice 6: I guess at this point we could ask staff to work with the

[1:18:36] Voice 6: applicant is the right word

[1:18:38] Voice 6: the landowner

[1:18:39] Voice 6: to come back with a

[1:18:42] Voice 6: recommendation

[1:18:42] Voice 6: this is a process that we have had

[1:18:46] Voice 6: on salt spring

[1:18:48] Voice 6: for numerous cases

[1:18:51] Voice 6: unsuccessfully

[1:18:51] Voice 6: I'll point out we have not been

[1:18:54] Voice 6: successful in getting the ALC to

[1:18:58] Voice 6: exclude

[1:18:59] Voice 6: or even farm use

[1:19:02] Voice 6: on

[1:19:03] Voice 6: applications in my

[1:19:04] Voice 6: tenure here

[1:19:05] Voice 6: here, but always willing to keep asking.

[1:19:11] Voice 6: Unfortunately, kind of just highlight some of the dysfunction of the whole system.

[1:19:17] Do we need a motion to do this or can it just be, you know, can you staff go ahead and send

[1:19:23] the LTC to follow up with the proposed applicant?

[1:19:29] Mr.

[1:19:30] Voice 6: Chair, I suggest that you take this for information, staff will follow up and bring

[1:19:34] Voice 6: you the more substantial packing which was to give you uh just to provide you with an analysis and

[1:19:42] Voice 6: forward it that's that's the next question okay thank you so the staff will follow up

[1:19:48] Voice 6: double step follow-up is something that can expedite well we certainly have uh we do have

[1:19:56] Voice 6: the report on the work that staff's doing there so i think we what i'm hearing is that there will

[1:20:06] Voice 6: be follow-up and there'll be a report coming back to us um so are we okay with this one can we move

[1:20:13] Voice 6: on is there any action desired to take on the nine correspondence at 9.2 9.2 is uh that's that's just

[1:20:28] Voice 6: the uh letter um regarding the opt-in that's just for information really yeah i just could

[1:20:35] Voice 6: we do have a follow-up action list we have requested communications being developed for

[1:20:40] Voice 6: the community on what this means so okay that already exists that's already exist so no further

[1:20:46] Voice 6: follow-up required today uh anything on 9.3 anything on 9.4 we've missed the deadline there

[1:20:57] Voice 6: um deadline was super helpful i think for all ltc's i i mentioned that to them uh you know it's

[1:21:05] Voice 6: it's not something that it's it's there for for lpc's information it's not a referral it's just a

[1:21:14] respond to this and what the score and feedback from

[1:21:16] Voice 6: officials is, and I did point out, even if I did say, you know, this isn't for us, like pretty much every other municipal council in the province is not typically meeting a number of all these pretty common practices.

[1:21:34] Voice 6: the timing uh it was um still be able to access it they should they were going to extend it okay

[1:21:51] Voice 6: well i appreciate that you've made that uh that clear because certainly the timing is yeah uh

[1:21:59] Voice 6: should any ltc want to want to respond to i'm not aware of any ltc that the timing was

[1:22:08] Voice 6: such of the meeting schedule that they could so i appreciate that anything on 9.5 or did you have

[1:22:17] Voice 6: something on the previous no 9.5 yes um i just i was almost entertained there's a rumor going

[1:22:23] Voice 6: around salt spring that the stoplight of the bridge for the cushion lake bridge is permanent

[1:22:27] Voice 11: and that

[1:22:28] Voice 6: it's going to be a single lane bridge that they're putting in i think that's funny

[1:22:34] Voice 6: i'm fairly certain it's going to be a two-lane bridge that is returned to that road not a

[1:22:40] Voice 6: permanent stop like there um but i have to say find our humor where we can on the island and

[1:22:45] Voice 6: i thought that that was a good one okay

[1:22:50] Voice 16: um ending on 9.6 i

[1:22:58] Voice 6: did i did um want to point this out we've

[1:23:01] we've uh we've gone back and forth on this there's a question mr stevens here he's asked a question

[1:23:07] Uh, remember, you said they don't have clarity on it right now. Um, so Mr. Stevens put this forward, um, to ask the question, uh, regarding the interpretation of our standards, how it

[1:23:22] Voice 6: applies to, um, yeah, there was questions exactly when it was discussed.

[1:23:36] Voice 6: I was challenged to try and track down the facts on that, Trustee Patrick.

[1:23:44] Voice 6: I

[1:23:44] Voice 8: can speak from my recollection.

[1:23:46] Voice 8: There has been a standing resolution in place prior

[1:23:50] Voice 6: to last term that focused on cottages

[1:23:55] Voice 6: and suites were the form of housing that was the resolution.

[1:24:00] Voice 6: resolution. Last term, during the pandemic in particular, that's when the trailers really

[1:24:06] Voice 6: became necessary for employers to have trailers. And they came to us asking to extend the standing

[1:24:13] Voice 6: resolution to include RVs. And that was the intent at the time when we were expanding

[1:24:20] Voice 6: it. It was, I don't recall, back to watch the tape, I don't recall votes being discussed.

[1:24:29] Voice 6: The harbor issue has always been its own issue when I recall any conversations that we've had, but the resolution was the intent really was land-based land use regulations on land and the types of housing that people were referring to.

[1:24:49] Voice 6: are you referring to but thank you

[1:24:56] Voice 11: resorting is the word i was my brain is not functioning

[1:24:59] Voice 6: um and so that's just my recollection yeah i

[1:25:04] Voice 6: mean i feel like i have a recollection that we

[1:25:06] Voice 6: at one point that we um discussed that with the housing situation that we weren't interested in

[1:25:17] Voice 6: in enforcing on housing that might be taking place in the harbour that if it met the other

[1:25:24] Voice 6: sort of criteria but to track down that as you say to track down the precise uh time and and

[1:25:32] that meeting was i just simply didn't have capacity to do that myself so i didn't attempt to

[1:25:40] provide an answer to the email because i just make

[1:25:45] Voice 6: a response that's not completely factual so

[1:25:47] Voice 6: So I can just say I look at the harbor as its own challenge, its own set of challenges.

[1:25:55] Voice 6: Our focus from a housing perspective has been about trying to create options for housing on land.

[1:26:01] Voice 6: That has been our focus.

[1:26:05] Voice 6: Always have been concerned about displacing anyone from a home, whether it's on a boat.

[1:26:10] But our focus has been on trying to get land.

[1:26:14] Voice 6: I've been looking to all the other agencies in this complex jurisdictional place called

[1:26:19] Voice 6: the harbor, and I can be quite frank, I was frustrated when the CRD made strides, I think

[1:26:26] Voice 6: you attended the workshop they had there as well, and then they stopped, and it's very

[1:26:32] Voice 6: frustrating, because I think they were the right organization to be convening it, they

[1:26:36] Voice 6: made a huge step, what we heard report was excellent, next steps were excellent, and

[1:26:42] Voice 6: they dropped it um so i'm frustrated as usual uh any further consideration on the side of today

[1:26:53] Voice 6: but what i'm what i'm hearing is that when it comes to lpc's interpretation of this standing

[1:27:01] Voice 6: on stage is that we we view liveaboards as that you know as dwellings that we should not enforce

[1:27:13] Voice 6: force on them unless like in accordance like with that standing resolution is that the agreed

[1:27:20] Voice 6: intention of that standing resolution yeah let me just say that my recollection again imperfect

[1:27:30] Voice 6: um was that that was sort of where where we had got to when we last discussed it which would

[1:27:35] Voice 6: it's so many months ago that i can't i'm loathe to uh to to make a strong statement uh without

[1:27:44] don't have the capacity to go back and listen to the tables.

[1:27:48] That was my general impression, and if I'm

[1:27:51] misinterpreting that, I'm happy

[1:27:54] Voice 6: to be correct.

[1:27:56] We

[1:27:57] Voice 6: don't have the jurisdiction.

[1:27:59] The way

[1:28:00] Voice 7: the structure is set up with the Islands Trust and the CRD

[1:28:04] Voice 6: under the Local Government Act, there's nothing we can do.

[1:28:08] Voice 7: As Trustee Patrick mentioned, it's a multi-jurisdictional

[1:28:10] um and you know area and

[1:28:14] Voice 7: unless we were a municipal structure which if people who are

[1:28:18] Voice 7: really interested in having something happen um with all kinds of issues because the CRE and

[1:28:26] Voice 7: Islands Trust are incapable of dealing with the issues that plague us under a municipal structure

[1:28:32] Voice 7: we couldn't do something so that's where the energy needs to be put is to the province and

[1:28:38] Voice 7: to the CRE, to

[1:28:40] Voice 7: Islands Trust, please get a

[1:28:42] Voice 7: referendum for the next

[1:28:44] Voice 7: local election cycle

[1:28:46] Voice 7: asking for the

[1:28:47] Voice 7: salt spring to be pulled out of the Islands Trust and put into

[1:28:50] Voice 7: a municipal structure. It's very

[1:28:52] Voice 7: simple. The idea

[1:28:55] Voice 7: but that's where

[1:28:57] Voice 7: the energy needs to be put because the energy

[1:28:59] Voice 7: can be aimed at this dysfunctional

[1:29:01] Voice 7: local governance that we suffer from

[1:29:03] Voice 7: over and over and over again and

[1:29:05] Voice 7: nothing's going to happen.

[1:29:07] Voice 7: That's the question.

[1:29:08] Voice 7: trustee is that

[1:29:12] Voice 13: a fact no no

[1:29:14] Voice 16: i'm sorry we're not we're not going to have a conversation at

[1:29:18] Voice 16: this point this is um but it's it's a very complex um discussion i'm afraid we simply

[1:29:27] Voice 16: don't

[1:29:28] Voice 6: have time for it in this meeting today so you so you can't answer whether becoming

[1:29:32] Voice 6: municipality we need to get pulled out of that i can

[1:29:36] Voice 16: i can hold on i can answer very quickly

[1:29:43] Voice 16: to the existing law uh an island becoming a municipality does not equal

[1:29:50] Voice 16: coming out of the islands trust yeah no

[1:29:53] Voice 7: unless asked that's what the community need to ask

[1:29:56] Voice 16: but this would be this any such thing as trustee

[1:30:00] Voice 16: is talking about would require the province to change the legislation so

[1:30:05] Voice 6: that's not as well i

[1:30:06] Voice 6: want to get us back on track with the letter in front of us and just the pattern again to

[1:30:11] Voice 6: me the harbor issue because before we even touched or changed that standing resolution last term we

[1:30:18] Voice 6: worked well there were issues with the harbor um we as an organization were likely not enforcing

[1:30:27] Voice 6: against the harbor or we were doing it periodically i think my law was focusing more on the structures

[1:30:33] Voice 6: that were being built out there prior to the pandemic prior to the time that we um updated it

[1:30:40] Voice 6: we were making started some progress with multi uh jurisdictional meetings and then the pandemic hit

[1:30:46] Voice 6: and then everything with housing even got worse um and that's when we made the resolution but

[1:30:52] Voice 6: Like I said, it was focused on land,

[1:30:55] Voice 6: but the harbor issue has always just been its own thing.

[1:30:58] Voice 6: If we have clarity on the harbor,

[1:31:02] Voice 6: I think we're gonna either have to have a meeting

[1:31:04] Voice 6: and discuss it if that's what would be necessary.

[1:31:08] Voice 6: It's gonna be challenging

[1:31:10] Voice 6: because we're still in the

[1:31:11] Voice 6: same position we're in,

[1:31:12] Voice 6: but I'd say if we need to clarify the standing resolution

[1:31:16] Voice 6: and understanding, let's put it on a future agenda.

[1:31:18] Voice 3: I

[1:31:19] Voice 6: didn't have the conversation.

[1:31:23] Voice 6: So it's going to take time that is the that's a great point and that may be a conversation in our work program update is this if you want to at least horizon a deeper dive on the on the on the harbor it said that it should be on our future projects list is something to look at beyond you know.

[1:31:41] Voice 6: million that might be one way of trying to at least flag it as a priority um and but in the

[1:31:50] Voice 6: meantime i think this conversation with lpc does see um this this standing resolution more or less

[1:31:57] Voice 6: applies to the board situations i disagree a little i would say that without a standing

[1:32:16] Voice 6: standing resolution, it has been the practice of this organization not to enforce against the harbor for a multitude of reasons.

[1:32:24] Voice 6: One, we don't have boats. We don't have the ability. It is a multi-jurisdictional issue.

[1:32:31] Voice 6: I can understand by law enforcement interpreting the standing resolution to apply because it doesn't say land or water.

[1:32:40] Voice 6: are. So I understand

[1:32:41] Voice 6: how we have the difference of opinions. And, and it is, it is just a very

[1:32:50] Voice 6: complex, I think it's been more of a standing behavior of this organization rather than the

[1:32:56] Voice 6: standing resolution. Difficult areas, but it's, it is not appropriate, okay. But that's what we've

[1:33:07] Voice 6: been put in so a little bit earlier trustee patrick i heard you suggest that we request

[1:33:17] this item

[1:33:17] Voice 6: to be put on a future agenda for what we have to give a deeper consideration we have

[1:33:22] Voice 6: a fairly full agenda today no i

[1:33:24] Voice 6: didn't say today so staff would you like a resolution to that effect

[1:33:28] Voice 6: yes absolutely there's a there's a there see it um if it's and i think it's important to

[1:33:35] Voice 6: go back to the functions of the future projects list. We have a follow-up action list that should be

[1:33:42] identifying what we intend to achieve in the next three to six months and we have a future projects

[1:33:48] Voice 6: list that extends beyond that and those are ways that we can look at those tools. Nomenclature

[1:33:55] Voice 6: not being ideal as it is but those are those are two options that you have so you're free to make

[1:34:01] Voice 6: that you're free to get that extension anytime you want but you may want to wait until our

[1:34:05] Voice 6: reports

[1:34:07] Voice 6: okay um so next on the correspondence at 9.7 anything to raise for discussion there and to

[1:34:22] Voice 6: thank um sharing these reports and that they've been shared okay and the final item 9.8 anything

[1:34:36] Voice 6: to raise for discussion there no okay

[1:34:44] Voice 16: that does bring us to the follow-up action on page 125

[1:34:48] Voice 6: and then we'll turn it over to staff to highlight

[1:34:51] Voice 16: uh important

[1:34:52] Voice 6: before uh any questions

[1:35:00] Voice 6: So unfortunately, through the summer we haven't had as much action like if there is a need to follow up with stay out staff through the summer, we don't we don't have much dialogue. So not much has happened on the bylaw 5 through the 7th of April front, so there's there's more to be done there since that June, we didn't have a couple of meetings.

[1:35:25] Voice 6: with regards to resolution 24145 the region webinar work has gone into this

[1:35:44] we we did bring morgana our communications specialist

[1:35:48] into this process here to get some support around this possibility

[1:35:55] I know that that team has had questions about the intention of this task.

[1:36:02] Voice 6: Primarily that there's been some talk of similar webinars at the Trust Council table or the RPT table.

[1:36:09] Voice 6: And we just want to know how, like, the utility of this, the original resolution was to hold this for the benefit of trustees.

[1:36:17] Voice 6: piece. Our experience is that by and large the development community seems to be bonded on

[1:36:24] well to the CDQ process. Our

[1:36:27] Voice 6: planning team assistants are doing a lot of work with

[1:36:30] Voice 6: individual applicants who are coming to develop and navigate their way through the process.

[1:36:36] Voice 6: Overall, I can foresee sort of cleaning up products in the applications that you're seeing

[1:36:41] Voice 6: before you're wearing the follow-up on this track find better so um is there a desire and if so

[1:37:05] Voice 6: yes uh the conversation is probably appropriate to a trust council issue but you know this was

[1:37:12] Voice 6: a major investment into a major new tool for the islands trust and for trustees to be given

[1:37:18] Voice 6: a walk through how it's used you know if the information that we have accessible to us is

[1:37:24] Voice 6: the same as the public that's good to know i'm confused because i seem to have less information

[1:37:30] Voice 6: today than the old system so i think it was this is a new tool we deserve i think a walk through it

[1:37:37] Voice 6: in a webinar style with someone who knows how to drive around this system and explain to us

[1:37:44] Voice 6: what we have access to what we do not have access to um and i think that's that's what's important

[1:37:51] Voice 6: even of reporting elements of it we can't even ask for reporting if we don't know what it's capable

[1:37:56] Voice 6: of doing so i think it would help staff tell us

[1:38:00] Voice 6: what the tool can and can't do how we can use it

[1:38:03] Voice 6: the public's intended to use it um so that we're informed if we get asked by people in the public

[1:38:09] Voice 6: how to do things we can point them to things we are sort of someone in that interface so

[1:38:15] Voice 6: it's instructive is what i'm looking for for a very expensive new tool

[1:38:27] Voice 6: um no i mean i i support the notion i believe i supported the resolution um uh i'm not clear

[1:38:37] Voice 6: on um what the action at the regional planning committee if any has been on this okay so um

[1:38:47] Voice 6: i mean it seems to me that this despite being a salt spring resolution that if there is a webinar

[1:38:55] Voice 6: it should be made available to all trustees um and that that would be my hope um that may not be

[1:39:06] In that view, I'm sure that people that are on the list still

[1:39:11] Voice 6: need to be delivered.

[1:39:13] Voice 6: It does raise the question, should this be something that's put to trust possible?

[1:39:23] And if we're in the executive office, that we need to

[1:39:31] Voice 6: coordinate that aspect of the meeting.

[1:39:33] Voice 6: But the people on the screen at the end of the day are probably going to be like some of them are.

[1:39:41] Voice 6: The organization of that, trust-wise, can communicate with others from this office.

[1:39:54] Voice 6: I'm happy to either refer this off to the executive committee.

[1:39:58] Voice 6: i don't want to remove it yet because if we just refer it disappears uh i think this is pertinent

[1:40:03] Voice 6: i think we're the biggest island that has the most applications than everybody else

[1:40:07] Voice 6: us trustees at the table future trustees at this table deserve to be aware of what the system is

[1:40:13] Voice 6: so um i don't know i don't know if we have to make a resolution to

[1:40:19] Voice 11: bring to the attention of the

[1:40:21] Voice 11: yeah i can refer

[1:40:22] Voice 6: this to um but i don't want to remove it off this list yet until it's been picked

[1:40:27] Voice 6: up by yeah so we know we know that's going to be actually take time out of the body i'll attempt

[1:40:32] Voice 6: something uh so

[1:40:33] Voice 13: at least i'm going to

[1:40:33] Voice 6: attempt a motion any advice on cleaning it up appreciated

[1:40:36] Voice 6: uh i move that the salzburg island local trust committee uh request the executive committee

[1:40:43] Voice 6: or refer, let's refer item one for December 12th, 2024

[1:40:50] Voice 6: to the executive committee for action.

[1:40:56] Voice 16: Should

[1:40:57] Voice 6: we just include the resolution number SS 2024 or 145?

[1:41:02] Voice 6: Sure.

[1:41:03] Voice 6: And I'll check in to see how the capture was there.

[1:41:13] Voice 8: Chair Peterson, I have that the Salt Spring Island

[1:41:15] Voice 8: Island Local Trust Committee, refer item one, December 12th, 2024, of the Salt Spring Island

[1:41:21] Voice 8: follow-up action list, resolution SS-2024-145, to the Executive Committee for action.

[1:41:31] Voice 6: I think that's sufficient. I'll second the motion. Any further discussion? It's fairly

[1:41:39] Voice 6: straightforward, and I'll call the question. All those in favor? Any opposed? The motion carries.

[1:41:49] Voice 6: and then the final item on the list or did you have something i just want to comment on

[1:41:54] Voice 6: for me the protocol agreement between the crd or the lcc and the local trust fee it we should aim

[1:42:01] Voice 6: to try to get that completed in place before the end of term and so for the benefit of the next

[1:42:07] Voice 6: cycle that they have protocol agreement to start their relationship on um i

[1:42:12] Voice 6: think that should be

[1:42:13] Voice 6: our aim um this was raised back before the end of last term and i i know we all have working

[1:42:23] Voice 6: challenges but we should have a working protocol agreement that recognizes the lcc and the local

[1:42:28] Voice 6: trust committee uh trustee harris um yeah i'm opposed to um to that wholeheartedly um it

[1:42:37] essentially just creates a protocol that just essentially creates pseudo municipal structure

[1:42:42] which will just add to the dysfunction of nothing being done.

[1:42:48] If any effort is worth to

[1:42:51] Voice 6: deal with the dysfunction

[1:42:53] Voice 6: of the CRD and Iowans Trust,

[1:42:55] Voice 6: then we ought to be pushing for municipal to start off this.

[1:43:04] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:43:05] Voice 6: So

[1:43:06] Voice 16: next up on page 127,

[1:43:08] Voice 16: we have the meeting procedures repealed bylaw number 547.

[1:43:17] Voice 16: 7. um

[1:43:17] Voice 6: trustees will recall that trust council passed a meeting procedures bylaw that now

[1:43:25] Voice 6: supersedes all the local trust committee bylaws by repealing this bylaw we simply remove an

[1:43:31] Voice 6: appendage that no longer has uh any regulatory effect further from staff trusty patrick i'm

[1:43:43] Voice 6: with the salt spring island local trust committee bylaw 547 side of the salt spring island local

[1:43:48] Voice 6: trust committee meetings procedure repealed by law number 547 2025 be adopted second promotion

[1:43:55] Voice 6: any discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor be opposed okay

[1:44:12] Voice 6: next

[1:44:16] Voice 16: we have the active projects list on page 130 and turn it over to staff or

[1:44:25] Voice 6: any updates you should share today this is true we have a fairly substantial view of these people

[1:44:29] Voice 6: this afternoon uh later in the agenda so um i think that's fine okay

[1:44:35] Voice 16: and i will note that um

[1:44:37] Voice 16: the report still uh names um

[1:44:41] Voice 6: um leonard chris bucket who has unfortunately moved on to

[1:44:46] Voice 6: other uh other jurisdictions we wish him well in his work um unfortunate timing for us

[1:44:55] Voice 6: and with the future projects listed at page 134 everything there today nothing uh from myself

[1:45:07] Voice 6: okay trustees anything on that report today as

[1:45:20] Voice 11: much as i will title future

[1:45:22] Voice 6: projects list because

[1:45:23] Voice 6: it's not it's a parking list i do take um the comment that we had and we'll talk about the

[1:45:33] harbour issue but maybe we can make that action as well and putting something

[1:45:36] Voice 6: on that i think there

[1:45:37] Voice 6: should be something on the future project list of recognizing that but um we can talk about that

[1:45:44] Voice 6: on the next item

[1:45:46] Voice 16: okay i'm just

[1:45:48] Voice 16: checking in on time here uh the quarterly work program update which is

[1:45:55] Voice 16: uh page two of the addendum is a fairly substantive piece uh we do want to

[1:46:01] Voice 6: uh we always

[1:46:03] Voice 6: aim to get our applications starting at noon so that applicants can participate in them

[1:46:09] Voice 6: sure to do that it's 20 after 11. um is there a smaller piece of work that we want to do before

[1:46:17] Voice 6: breaking breaking now i suggest the work program is not too substantial unless you have a lot to

[1:46:25] Voice 6: discuss um it might be right i don't have a lot to present to you it's mostly there

[1:46:30] Voice 6: okay um i don't want to um i'm trying to be cognizant that we need a break

[1:46:42] Voice 6: and then we want to come back at a certain time but um

[1:46:47] Voice 6: just patrick i would encourage as short a break as possible to keep this thing

[1:46:51] Voice 6: moving i'm a family member hospital that you need to go visit and um so i'd like there's a lot

[1:46:59] Voice 16: there's a lot on our agenda today yeah okay so well on my advice of staff um

[1:47:03] Voice 6: let's go ahead and

[1:47:04] Voice 6: look at the work quarterly work program update before we break that is on page two of the

[1:47:12] Voice 6: um so as as the schedule on page two points out um you know we committed to providing this quarter

[1:47:21] Voice 6: budget um we're very much in the in the throes of our our budget um projects

[1:47:28] Voice 6: moving forward and i think that's that's very true this year uh more truth of the public uh

[1:47:34] Voice 6: there is a further discussion on our current staff i wanted to break down a little bit more about

[1:47:41] Voice 6: Probably to illustrate the vacancy that we're having, we're facing on Salt Spring Island with about two island planners. One will be back here in November. We'll have a working to backfill until April.

[1:47:57] April. But I think it's reflected in our current workload. We have a high number of applications,

[1:48:05] but we are moving forward relatively

[1:48:10] Voice 6: well in terms of the overall items of trust, although

[1:48:15] Voice 6: we need to move on that average process at a time. So I did want to point that out. Our

[1:48:23] Voice 6: our planet one issues have been putting that application at a very high rate like in our

[1:48:29] Voice 6: agendas over the last year or so um and our we've had a number of changes um in the salt spring

[1:48:36] Voice 6: offices positive as well um so i can just kind of run through that um for starters as you mentioned

[1:48:43] Voice 6: earlier chris buckham our island planner uh our acting other left the organization to take a

[1:48:50] a higher role, and he's

[1:48:53] Voice 6: settled quite well where he is, so following that, Chris actually

[1:48:59] Voice 6: was occupying the Planner 2 role, was active in that.

[1:49:03] Voice 6: With his departure, we were able to make Alok Shogun Garuba the permanent Planner 2.

[1:49:10] She has been acting in that role while Chris

[1:49:12] Voice 6: was out of the Planner role, so that's all

[1:49:16] Voice 6: positive news.

[1:49:16] Voice 6: Rob Pingel also moved over from the legislative world to the planning world and is planning tech.

[1:49:25] So we're

[1:49:25] Voice 6: excited to have Rob because he likes to be in the office.

[1:49:31] Voice 6: We're hoping it's really going to help when our office opens up.

[1:49:34] Voice 6: And we have a lot of front-counter inquiries, so that's going to be great support.

[1:49:39] Voice 6: And we brought on Brent, who you mentioned earlier today.

[1:49:44] Voice 6: Our staffing is down to island planners right now, but growing, I guess.

[1:49:54] Voice 6: With regards to the office relocation, the office has had a construction

[1:49:58] Voice 6: that's progressing quite well.

[1:50:00] Voice 6: We do hope to be open in the next month or so.

[1:50:04] Voice 6: So that's possible news there.

[1:50:07] Voice 6: And overall, I think this report underlines that we're very, very busy

[1:50:12] Voice 6: and that there's um and we are primarily focused on the ocp and lub there are other projects

[1:50:20] Voice 6: mainly the suite of fresh water projects um through for swift and groundwater monitoring

[1:50:26] Voice 6: that are maintenance right now um so there's business cases so that as well so overall there's

[1:50:36] Voice 6: no change to the active projects list or the future projects list in this update. But this

[1:50:46] Voice 6: is pretty much where we're at. There remains two items on the standard resolutions list that should

[1:50:52] Voice 6: be updated at some time in the future. I believe those should be addressed. I included them once

[1:50:58] Voice 6: again because I think our last quarterly update was a little bit rough. I just want to raise those.

[1:51:06] Voice 6: one being the request on state footage and the second one the inclusion of families

[1:51:15] Voice 6: as being potentially one yeah that's it and thank you the new salt spring office and the budget

[1:51:29] Voice 6: how much again to the did it exceed the budget yeah the budget was originally

[1:51:43] Voice 6: It started out at $160,000 and went up to $197,000, I believe, and that was kind of the result of the bids that he did.

[1:51:57] Voice 6: Since then, there have been a number of increases based on discovery, essentially, in the building,

[1:52:07] where things have had to be addressed

[1:52:09] either due

[1:52:09] Voice 6: to code requirements

[1:52:10] Voice 6: or due to

[1:52:13] simply

[1:52:13] code requirements, so fire separation

[1:52:17] heating

[1:52:20] Voice 6: What's the number now?

[1:52:21] Voice 6: As far as where we're at right now, I believe

[1:52:23] Voice 6: we're at somewhere around $200,000.

[1:52:27] Voice 6: What was the budget?

[1:52:30] Voice 6: Not double, but

[1:52:32] Voice 6: $106,000.

[1:52:34] Voice 6: Close to double.

[1:52:36] Voice 6: And I'll just note that there is a report

[1:52:38] Voice 6: coming to Trust Council

[1:52:41] Voice 6: So it's almost the amount that went and spent on a new office that was owned, this is just

[1:52:46] Voice 6: a rental.

[1:52:46] Voice 6: So it'll be interesting for the public to hear more about that, I'm sure.

[1:52:51] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:52:53] I did want to say on the relocation, it's not something that Island Trust does day-to-day,

[1:53:01] right?

[1:53:02] And I do think that there are lessons to be learned from this project, and I certainly

[1:53:06] to suggest uh i certainly discussed it internally there should be a debrief of this project if you

[1:53:13] feel better there are other offices in the honest trust that will be relocating or need to address

[1:53:20] their office space in the future and a better strategy and a directive approach is needed to

[1:53:26] ensure that we're we're

[1:53:28] Voice 6: more prepared in our budgeting for our realities of what's possible

[1:53:42] Voice 6: I know

[1:53:43] Voice 11: we've got an

[1:53:44] Voice 6: operational review

[1:53:45] Voice 6: being undertaken of the organization

[1:53:46] Voice 6: and focusing, and I'm looking forward

[1:53:48] Voice 6: to the outcome of

[1:53:50] Voice 6: that operational review.

[1:53:53] Voice 6: I think

[1:53:56] Voice 6: SALT's brand new, it's almost

[1:54:02] Voice 6: unfair that we're challenged because we have

[1:54:04] Voice 6: staffing issues

[1:54:05] Voice 6: that, for whatever

[1:54:07] Voice 6: luck, I know last term it was North

[1:54:09] Voice 6: August that was having staffing issues all the time.

[1:54:12] Voice 6: And so when we have one geographic

[1:54:14] Voice 6: region that's struggling

[1:54:16] Voice 6: for staff it's like oh well but the work continues in the other regions rather than in a priority

[1:54:22] Voice 6: fashion where we have an island that has crises on crises and we just park everything because we

[1:54:30] Voice 6: don't have the staff to do it and we proceed along on the other islands that are in perhaps

[1:54:36] Voice 6: the lesser so i am frustrated i know it's not a regional planning manager i don't think a

[1:54:42] Voice 6: regional planning manager should be doing an office relocation. You should be focusing

[1:54:46] Voice 6: on the planning that's needed for the organization. So we do

[1:54:50] Voice 6: need to arrange the work differently

[1:54:55] Voice 6: and we need to be able to have an ability to put the resources

[1:54:58] Voice 6: where they're needed. Applications, to me, need

[1:55:02] Voice 6: their set of planners that work on applications at the scale and rate

[1:55:06] Voice 6: that they can work on them and that they're not borrowed from the planning side

[1:55:10] Voice 6: that should be doing the good community planning

[1:55:12] Voice 6: that we've done in our organization.

[1:55:14] Voice 6: So there should be a concrete wall between those planners

[1:55:17] Voice 6: and we have so much resources for applications

[1:55:20] Voice 6: that we just hold that one and that we have resources.

[1:55:26] Voice 6: So I am frustrated.

[1:55:28] Voice 6: It's hard to sit on other local trust committees

[1:55:30] Voice 6: and see work proceeding.

[1:55:33] Voice 6: And I can tell you that a meeting ago,

[1:55:35] Voice 6: I wish that was Salt Spring.

[1:55:36] Voice 6: Can we do

[1:55:37] Voice 1: that on Salt Spring?

[1:55:38] Voice 6: And it's very frustrating.

[1:55:42] Voice 6: so i mean i guess we we do our myth of the executive table moaning and groaning about this um

[1:55:49] Voice 6: and i guess i'll hold i'll hold any resolutions until after we hear the operational review with

[1:55:55] Voice 6: uh hopes that it breaks this log jam results break it's not right for the community

[1:56:06] Voice 6: trustee harris thank you um the issues with um retaining staff and staff turnover

[1:56:13] Voice 6: or isn't anything new it's it's

[1:56:18] Voice 7: you know a symptom of the dysfunction that's built into the structure

[1:56:23] of the organization

[1:56:24] Voice 7: and you know for the public it really indicates that the public should

[1:56:31] Voice 7: take that hugely into account and again any municipal structure this would not be the case

[1:56:38] Voice 7: and this is completely another glaring reason as to why that structure needs to be asked for

[1:56:45] Voice 7: the community to the province void of the island's trust organization that can be asked for and it

[1:56:50] Voice 7: can be done

[1:56:51] Voice 6: the

[1:56:52] Voice 7: community needs to ask for it strongly thank you yeah

[1:56:59] Voice 16: so i just again and this

[1:57:01] Voice 16: is not uh not new but i look at the table on page four here uh the volume of applications the uh

[1:57:09] Voice 16: the applications per funded

[1:57:13] Voice 6: staff member,

[1:57:14] Voice 6: which is considerably higher than the other offices.

[1:57:18] Voice 6: And then in the case where we actually have shortages

[1:57:21] Voice 6: of people in those positions, it's incredibly high.

[1:57:29] Voice 6: And I just want to take a moment

[1:57:31] Voice 6: and give all due praise to the staff

[1:57:36] Voice 6: that are managing to do an extremely high volume of work

[1:57:40] out

[1:57:42] Voice 6: of the Salt Spring office.

[1:57:46] Voice 6: Absolutely praiseworthy.

[1:57:48] Voice 6: When I look at the recommendations around forwarding

[1:57:55] the active top three priorities

[1:57:58] to trust council for information,

[1:58:00] I look at this section of the report

[1:58:03] with the table

[1:58:05] Voice 6: and the workload

[1:58:05] Voice 6: load for this office and uh and uh i think uh i i would like to see this information get to

[1:58:14] Voice 6: trustees on a broader scale um i i absolutely appreciate there is an operational review going

[1:58:21] Voice 6: on but uh this this is some pretty um stark numbers here and i think it would be good if

[1:58:29] Voice 6: if this situation was brought to Trust Council's attention,

[1:58:34] Voice 6: not that Trust Council is going to be able to change things,

[1:58:38] Voice 6: but I think it's important that we know

[1:58:40] Voice 6: as trustees of the Federation,

[1:58:43] Voice 6: these are the challenges

[1:58:44] Voice 16: Salt Spring is facing.

[1:58:46] Voice 16: We're facing, even if we

[1:58:50] Voice 6: had our full staff,

[1:58:51] Voice 6: we're nearly double the rate of applications

[1:58:54] Voice 6: per staff member of the other offices.

[1:58:59] Voice 6: and and so i mean my my inclination is to send this portion of the report off the trust council

[1:59:04] Voice 6: this is a reminder um that that things are not going as smoothly on salt spring and

[1:59:12] Voice 6: anytime we have

[1:59:14] Voice 7: a budget request for staffing or any of the rest of this is this is the concrete

[1:59:19] Voice 7: information why um so just wanted to share that and again appreciation for what staff is

[1:59:26] Voice 7: actually to accomplish um uh through this

[1:59:29] Voice 6: office christy harris yeah and um none

[1:59:35] Voice 16: of this is staff's

[1:59:36] Voice 6: fault um you know it's just the nature of

[1:59:39] Voice 7: how this organization is structured and it's been going on

[1:59:43] Voice 7: for decades with it um and this really for the community is as you said chair peterson they've

[1:59:51] Voice 7: been doing an amazing job with how many there are so understaffed well this is not fair to them or

[1:59:57] Voice 7: or to the community.

[2:00:00] Voice 7: Salt Spring puts forward almost plus $3 million

[2:00:03] Voice 7: of lion's share of the tax burden to the organization.

[2:00:08] Voice 7: And really this information needs to be front

[2:00:12] Voice 7: and center page on the local newspaper

[2:00:14] Voice 7: and Salt Spring Exchange and all the rest of it.

[2:00:20] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:00:24] Voice 6: Okay, so we do have a couple of recommendations here.

[2:00:28] Voice 6: Dr. Patrick.

[2:00:29] Voice 6: I'm with Salt Spring Animal.

[2:00:30] Voice 6: the trust committee received the work program update report from division planning manager

[2:00:34] Voice 6: dated september 11th 2025 confirmation second that uh any further discussion i think the date

[2:00:42] Voice 6: is a very commemorative date to have for this forwarding further all the questions all those

[2:00:50] Voice 6: in favor opposed salt span local trust committee forward the top three priorities in the salt

[2:01:01] Voice 6: spring island of trust maniac the project list presented the september 11th regional meeting

[2:01:06] Voice 6: agenda to our regular meeting agenda to trust council and just before i ask for a second i

[2:01:14] Voice 6: just wonder um if there is any update uh at this table to forward uh that portion of the work

[2:01:22] Voice 6: program update uh to trust council as well for more information forward the report um

[2:01:35] we did it before but i don't

[2:01:38] Voice 6: think my perspective is that it does not hurt to offer that information

[2:01:42] Voice 6: to trust council again could be a third function and so let's okay i'll go ahead and second the

[2:01:49] motion um that has as you made it um around the top three priorities consider another um

[2:01:57] so any discussion on for in the top three priorities not

[2:02:02] Voice 6: seeing any i'll call the

[2:02:03] Voice 6: question all those in favor any opposed and then i will go ahead and move that the salt spring

[2:02:12] island local trust committee for the uh

[2:02:16] Voice 16: program update of september 11th 2025

[2:02:20] Voice 16: uh

[2:02:22] Voice 6: to trust council

[2:02:25] Voice 6: for information i'm seconded by trustee patrick uh any further discussion required i'll call the

[2:02:34] Voice 6: question all those in favor and opposed carries we're now at 11 35 and i think this is now a good

[2:02:47] Voice 6: juncture to recess for the lunch break and we will

[2:02:54] Voice 16: come back for

[2:02:54] Voice 6: applications and referrals at noon

[2:28:00] Voice 16: okay i'd like to call the meeting back to order with us i'm

[2:28:10] Voice 8: here okay

[2:28:11] Voice 16: great thank you so we are

[2:28:14] Voice 6: on the applications and referrals section again this uh report we just viewed before the break

[2:28:21] Voice 6: um here we are with uh eight applications in front of us at this one

[2:28:25] Voice 16: meeting uh let's get

[2:28:27] Voice 16: started though on page 137 um pvp

[2:28:32] Voice 6: uh on the salt spring way and it's over to planner uh pedophilia

[2:28:38] Voice 6: thank you mr chair this application permits the current sighting of an existing carport and

[2:28:44] Voice 6: dwelling units within a 0.24 hectare property or 0.59 acres, rural zoned and on South Spain Way

[2:28:53] Voice 6: where an attached garage is connected to the median externally with no internal access between

[2:29:00] Voice 6: the garage and the main structure. Section 4.1.1 of land with violets is the minimum

[2:29:08] Voice 6: setback between access road buildings and other structures in three meters. Currently the garage

[2:29:13] Voice 6: is connected to principal building by an attachment resulting in a zero meter setback.

[2:29:19] Voice 6: The application is seeking a variance to bring the garage and its connection into compliance

[2:29:24] Voice 6: with the setback requirements. Public notification was mailed and no correspondence has been received.

[2:29:32] Voice 6: Staff recommends approving this development variance permit as the proposed variance will

[2:29:36] not have a

[2:29:37] Voice 6: negative impact on the neighborhood and will influence access to the features as

[2:29:42] Voice 6: alternatives may reach to the first further information

[2:29:50] Voice 16: do you have anything you'd like to add

[2:29:56] Voice 6: briefly please

[2:30:00] Voice 6: Scott. This is my wife, Darlene. Very briefly, we've come to Salt Spring Island four years

[2:30:07] Voice 6: ago. We purchased the subject house. This was Dr. Richardson's house. I think many people

[2:30:13] Voice 6: in Salt Spring know it. We've lived there. We've enjoyed it. We love the house. But we

[2:30:19] Voice 6: moved on. We sold that house and purchased a condominium. And the house right now is

[2:30:26] Voice 6: bacon and we're intending to sell it and our only impediment for doing so is this application today.

[2:30:34] I'd like to emphasize that everything that's issued

[2:30:39] Voice 6: here, the deck itself that is problematic

[2:30:43] Voice 6: was in place when we purchased it. We had no idea at all that there was any issue connected

[2:30:50] Voice 6: with the decor, with the setbacks, and so we're tidying up, we're dealing with issues

[2:30:55] Voice 6: that we unwittingly purchased into when we bought the house four years ago.

[2:31:02] Voice 6: I'd like to submit three photographs, three sets of three photographs.

[2:31:08] Voice 6: I'm sorry, I don't really have enough here for everybody, but just simply give a little

[2:31:14] Voice 6: bit of an idea of what the app probably actually looks like in common terms.

[2:31:19] Voice 6: What you'll see there in those tour photographs is, first off, on the first page, the entryway

[2:31:30] going past the door to the garage, and then up a ramp, an accessible wheelchair ramp,

[2:31:38] to the back door.

[2:31:39] And the deck

[2:31:41] Voice 6: that's problematic is off to the left of that photograph.

[2:31:44] Voice 6: The second photograph shows the deck itself, and it shows the access into the French doors

[2:31:51] Voice 6: it's in the master bedroom in that house. So it's undoubtedly connected or functionally part of the

[2:31:59] Voice 6: house. The third photograph shows the other side of the deck where a bus against the garage and

[2:32:08] Voice 6: what it shows is that there is no access from that deck to the garage. So is the deck part of the

[2:32:15] Voice 6: house? Yes, it is. Is it, it doesn't connect between the house and the garage? No, it doesn't.

[2:32:21] Voice 6: So it's, it's, it's undoubtedly not in compliance, but, but you can see that there's certainly

[2:32:34] Voice 6: separation between the two major buildings. It's the deck alone that staff offers some

[2:32:42] Voice 6: concerns as far as violation of the violence and that's our submission okay thank you very much

[2:32:52] Voice 6: good thank you um trustees any questions for the matter or the applicant

[2:32:59] Voice 6: no i just want i want to thank you i know i know it's frustrating to go through these processes

[2:33:03] Voice 6: when we discover that you have to correct something and this is the path that needs

[2:33:06] Voice 6: to be taken so thank you for your patience and diligence yeah thank you for all you do

[2:33:12] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:33:14] Voice 6: Anything further?

[2:33:16] Voice 6: We do have a recommendation in front of us.

[2:33:18] Voice 6: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development

[2:33:21] Voice 6: Variance Permit PLDPP20250082.

[2:33:28] Voice 6: Seconded by Trustee Harris.

[2:33:30] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[2:33:33] Seeing any, I'll call the question.

[2:33:35] All those in favour?

[2:33:38] And that carries.

[2:33:40] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:33:41] Voice 6: So moving on.

[2:33:42] Voice 6: We have another Variance Permit.

[2:33:46] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[2:33:46] Voice 6: for Rainbow Road. This one on page 167

[2:33:50] Voice 6: is coming to us from Planet Aruba.

[2:33:53] Voice 2: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

[2:33:55] Voice 2: This staff report presents a development variance permit application

[2:34:00] Voice 2: PLDVP-20250-250

[2:34:02] Voice 2: for subject property located at 166 Rainbow Road.

[2:34:07] Voice 2: The applicant is seeking variance to relax the setback of the interior side lot

[2:34:11] Voice 2: line abutting a lot, not in a general employment zone,

[2:34:14] Voice 2: from 6.0 metres to 2.2 metres to permit an existing door shop on the subject property.

[2:34:21] Voice 2: The proposed variance would allow the applicant to retain the building and bring it into compliance

[2:34:26] Voice 2: with the Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law No. 355-1999.

[2:34:31] Voice 2: In accordance with Section 499 of Section 3 of the Local Government Act and the Salt

[2:34:36] Voice 2: Spring Island Developmental Procedures By-law, statutory notice of the proposed variance

[2:34:41] Voice 2: was mailed to all owners and tenants in occupation of properties within 100 meters of the subject

[2:34:46] Voice 2: property. And as at the time the report was put together, no correspondence was received regarding

[2:34:52] Voice 2: the application. Staff therefore recommends that the LCCR provisions of development variance

[2:34:58] Voice 2: permits PLDVP to 0250250 as the proposed variance does not challenge the intent of the regulation

[2:35:05] Voice 2: being varied. And this will also bring the development into compliance with the land use

[2:35:09] Voice 2: by law. So there are alternative recommendations for the LTC which is to request for further

[2:35:15] Voice 2: information prior to making a decision or to deny agents of development variance permits.

[2:35:20] Voice 2: Thank you very much.

[2:35:22] Voice 16: Thank you, and is the applicant with us today? Anything you'd like to add?

[2:35:30] Voice 6: You have the letter, I can read as well. I work for the 19 design bill,

[2:35:36] Voice 6: with the contractor working on the project for Eagle Crest and Windsor Plywood.

[2:35:42] Voice 6: Momentum Design's bill is applying on behalf of Eagle Crest Forest Products and Windsor Plywood

[2:35:47] Voice 6: for development permit variance for the door shop located at 166 Rainbow Road.

[2:35:53] Voice 6: Purpose of this application is to address an existing non-conforming related to a structure constructed in the 90s.

[2:36:00] Voice 6: While the building permit was issued at the time, it was never formally closed

[2:36:05] Voice 6: and the building was constructed

[2:36:06] Voice 6: within the required setback area.

[2:36:08] Voice 6: Structure has remained in its original location

[2:36:10] Voice 6: and conditions since that time.

[2:36:13] Voice 6: We're requesting a variance to the applicable

[2:36:17] Voice 6: setback regulations in order to retain the building

[2:36:20] Voice 6: as it is, avoiding the need for demolition.

[2:36:23] Voice 6: As part of this process, we plan to apply

[2:36:25] Voice 6: for a building permit to complete renovations

[2:36:27] Voice 6: to bring the building up to current

[2:36:29] Voice 6: BC building code standards, including seismic upgrades

[2:36:32] Voice 6: and other requirement improvements to the grid.

[2:36:36] Voice 6: Respectfully request that Islands Trust

[2:36:38] Voice 6: consider this application and grant the variance

[2:36:41] Voice 6: to legalize the existing siting of this project.

[2:36:46] Voice 6: Momentum Design and Build is prepared

[2:36:48] Voice 6: to provide any additional details requested.

[2:36:50] Voice 6: Please don't hesitate to come.

[2:36:53] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:36:55] Voice 6: Trustees, any questions for the planner or the applicant?

[2:36:58] Voice 6: I know the door shut very well.

[2:37:06] I move

[2:37:13] Voice 7: that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Variance

[2:37:17] Voice 7: Permit PLD-VP

[2:37:19] Voice 6: -2025-0250.

[2:37:23] Voice 6: Moved.

[2:37:24] Voice 6: Seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[2:37:26] Any further discussion?

[2:37:28] I'm seeing none.

[2:37:29] I'll call the question.

[2:37:30] All those in favor?

[2:37:31] And motion carries.

[2:37:34] Thank you.

[2:37:35] Thank you. And an additional development permit for Montague Road and back over to the planner and head of the chair.

[2:37:43] Voice 6: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The application permits the current siting of an existing studio within a 0.68 hectare or 1.68 acres property zoned residential A near the studio's building area.

[2:37:58] Voice 6: The application was submitted to address a bylaw enforcement case regarding the siting of the

[2:38:04] Voice 6: studio and deck within the background natural boundaries. Applicant has proved legal non-conformity

[2:38:10] Voice 6: status for the deck and applied to bring the studio into compliance. The studio is located

[2:38:17] Voice 6: within development permit area 6 high soil erosion area map 24 however the area of disturbance is

[2:38:24] Voice 6: is less than nine square meters and falls outside the area identified on map 13 and 14 as having

[2:38:31] Voice 6: a high hazard for a slope instability or soil erosion. As such the development permit is not

[2:38:37] Voice 6: required. Section 4.4.1 of the land use pilot sets the minimum set back to natural boundary

[2:38:45] Voice 6: it as 15 meters or 49 feet. If approved, the variance will reduce the number to 8.4 meters

[2:38:52] Voice 6: or 27.55 feet. Public notification was mailed and no correspondence has been received. Staff

[2:39:00] Voice 6: recommends approving this development variance permit as the variance pin will bring an existing

[2:39:06] Voice 6: yielding into compliance with yielding. Impact on laboring properties is not anticipated if

[2:39:13] Voice 6: the variance is approved. The proposed variance does not challenge the intent of the regulation

[2:39:18] Voice 6: and at the time of the writing there has been no correspondence received regarding the notification.

[2:39:24] Voice 6: As alternatives, OTC may wish to request further information or deny the application as the last

[2:39:30] Voice 6: to open. Thank you. Thank you. That is the end of this day. I just wanted to, thanks for the

[2:39:37] Voice 6: opportunity to speak to to thank the uh islands trust staff um as well as i know there's a few

[2:39:47] Voice 6: people behind the scenes that were assisting um for their guidance uh very very very good

[2:39:54] Voice 6: learning experience for us uh professionals while helping us navigate through the reservation of our

[2:40:02] Voice 6: retroactive development permit variance current and bring our structures into compliance uh we

[2:40:09] Voice 6: understand there's been some staff production uh as is with every organization so we're particularly

[2:40:15] Voice 6: grateful uh for their expeditions from the processing i said chair express really so

[2:40:22] Voice 6: thanks very much thank you uh trustees any questions for the planner or the applicant

[2:40:28] at

[2:40:32] Voice 6: this time thank you for going through the process i know it's uh challenging but i

[2:40:38] Voice 6: appreciate uh sticking with it and getting through on the other side so uh i move that

[2:40:43] Voice 6: the salisbury island local trust committee approved issuance of development variance

[2:40:47] Voice 6: permit p l d v p two zero five zero two four one moved seconded by trustee harris

[2:40:56] Voice 6: any further discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:41:02] Voice 6: and that motion carries okay next on page 212 we have a application and this is coming to us

[2:41:16] Voice 6: from planet garuba again not in very accidental use thank you

[2:41:23] Voice 2: mr chair this staff report brings

[2:41:26] Voice 2: forward a request by the applicant for the Salt Spring Agricultural Trust Committee to support

[2:41:30] Voice 2: a non-adherent residential use and additional residence for farm use that the applicant has

[2:41:37] Voice 2: submitted to the Agricultural Land Commission. The applicant proposes to convert an existing

[2:41:42] Voice 2: garage to a dwelling unit. The subject property is zoned agriculture 2 and the proposed floor

[2:41:48] Voice 2: area of the additional residence is 69.11 square meters on a 9.8 hectare property.

[2:41:53] Voice 2: Staff recommends that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee refer application to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission for comments on whether or not the proposed non-farm use is consistent with the Salt Spring Island Official Community Plan No. 434 policies B.2.2.4, B.2.2.5, and the objectives B.6.2.1.1 and B.6.2.1.4.

[2:42:20] Voice 2: Referring the application to the AAPC for their comments on the applicable OCP policies and

[2:42:25] Voice 2: objectives will provide the LCC and staff with their insights into the nuances of the application

[2:42:30] Voice 2: prior to providing a response to the ALC. Alternative resolutions include not forward

[2:42:36] Voice 2: the application to the ALC, deny the application, or support the application outrightly without

[2:42:41] Voice 2: forwarding it to the AAPC. Thank you.

[2:42:46] Voice 16: Thank you, Anna. It's the afternoon with us today.

[2:42:48] Voice 6: well

[2:42:52] Voice 2: i don't think so okay

[2:42:55] Voice 6: uh trustees any questions for the planner

[2:42:58] Voice 6: i have no question i support i think the agricultural planning commission um previously

[2:43:05] Voice 6: received many forwarded to them i think they appreciate having the ability to

[2:43:12] Voice 6: applications on agricultural land and they comment so um

[2:43:19] Voice 7: do we have to send it to the

[2:43:23] Voice 7: ALC can

[2:43:24] Voice 6: we just approve it oh well this is not requesting we send it to the ALC but rather the

[2:43:32] Voice 6: salt spring agricultural APC oh the planning commission so we don't have to send it to the APC

[2:43:40] Voice 6: we will well we will but this is the this is the intermediate step

[2:43:49] send it to the local agricultural APC first we want to see it just go through without any of that

[2:43:55] rigmarole but yeah um

[2:43:56] Voice 6: if that's what needs to be done then i'm for it okay and we do have

[2:44:03] Voice 6: a recommendation in front of us i move that the uh south spring island local uh the local trust

[2:44:09] Voice 6: committee whatever we're called uh refer application p-l-a-l-r-2-0-2-5-0-1-9-8 to the

[2:44:17] Voice 6: agricultural advisory planning commission for comment on whether or not the proposed non-farm

[2:44:22] Voice 6: use is consistent with the salt spring island official community plan number four three four

[2:44:27] Voice 6: policies b two two four b two two five b two two eight and b two two sixteen and objectives

[2:44:35] Voice 6: b six two one one and b six two one four moved a second but i have a discussion

[2:44:43] with the second and discussion trustee harris yeah you know i don't understand why this

[2:44:50] Voice 7: step has to be taken why can't staff as we do with all the other um you know applications

[2:44:58] so you can see if

[2:44:59] Voice 6: something's consistent with your cpu at all um i don't you know i really

[2:45:04] Voice 6: don't believe we need more committees and commissions and blah blah blah

[2:45:08] Voice 6: anyways i'm in favor of the recommendations okay just after when applying to the alc it

[2:45:21] Voice 6: it strengthens our application to have a response

[2:45:24] Voice 6: from the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission.

[2:45:31] Voice 6: Okay, good.

[2:45:33] Voice 6: How long will this take?

[2:45:38] Voice 6: I would imagine it's going to come back in November.

[2:45:42] It's scheduled to be AAPC.

[2:45:45] I don't know if I want to show the product group

[2:45:47] that has a

[2:45:47] Voice 6: timeline on the next AAPC in Pennsylvania.

[2:45:56] Voice 6: Ms. Garuba.

[2:45:59] Voice 2: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:46:00] Voice 2: Yeah, so long as the application goes to the AAPC,

[2:46:08] Voice 2: then it can come back at the next LCC meeting immediately after that.

[2:46:14] Voice 6: Are we both for a date for the next AAPC?

[2:46:21] Voice 2: I don't have a date yet for the next AAPC, but...

[2:46:32] The

[2:46:32] Voice 6: AAPC and AAPC are scheduled to be out in two weeks.

[2:46:37] Voice 6: After every LTC meeting, we do a turnaround.

[2:46:42] So one of our jobs will be to ask the AAPC if they're available to meet in two weeks,

[2:46:48] have a quorum,

[2:46:49] Voice 6: a memo is added to this document that you've seen.

[2:46:52] Voice 6: You hold the meeting, and then when the next, as long as the quorum is reached,

[2:46:58] Voice 6: the next LTC meeting, their opinion comes back to you,

[2:47:04] assuming that the planner has time to

[2:47:06] Voice 6: take their ideas and bring them back

[2:47:09] Voice 6: do our best historically to have a turnaround okay thank you appreciate that uh anything

[2:47:19] Voice 6: further

[2:47:19] Voice 16: on the motion i'll call the question in all those in favor and that carries so moving on

[2:47:27] Voice 16: to page 221 we

[2:47:31] Voice 6: have a development permit application and over to planner thank you

[2:47:36] Voice 6: the purpose of this report is to allow the expansion of country grocery complex

[2:47:41] Voice 6: at 1.58 hectare or 3.90 acres properties on camera

[2:47:48] Voice 6: A, located on Development Permit Area 1, I-line villages.

[2:47:53] Voice 6: Total floor area being added is 557 square meters or 5,996 square feet.

[2:48:04] Voice 6: Previous Development Permit for a comparable commercial addition was issued in 2020.

[2:48:10] Voice 6: At that time, the Local Trust Committee did not support the staff's recommendation to

[2:48:14] Voice 6: require a lighting impact assessment, noise impact assessment, or vegetation assessment.

[2:48:19] Voice 6: More recently, the applicant was issued development permit PLBP 2025-0189 for a 51 square meter

[2:48:30] Voice 6: addition to the Demian liquor store, further expanding the commercial use of the site.

[2:48:35] Voice 6: The applicant has proposed a total of 180 parking spaces, including nine accessible spaces.

[2:48:43] Voice 6: spaces. In calculating the parking requirement, the applicant adopted a different approach

[2:48:49] Voice 6: by categorizing the commercial space into sub-uses such as storage or office areas with

[2:48:57] Voice 6: lower parking demand factors, thereby justifying the reduced parking provisions. It is noted

[2:49:03] Voice 13: that

[2:49:03] Voice 6: existing policies and

[2:49:05] Voice 6: objectives for development within village areas support the

[2:49:08] Voice 6: reduction of parking requirements to encourage vulnerability and compact pedestrian-oriented

[2:49:14] Voice 6: developments. However, the local trust committee must determine whether to accept the applicant's

[2:49:20] Voice 6: interpretation of the parking calculation or require the applicant to apply for a variance

[2:49:25] Voice 6: to bring the proposal into compliance with the parking standards set up in the land use by law.

[2:49:30] Voice 6: Ratification to neighbors and public consultations are not required as part of the

[2:49:37] Voice 6: The staff recommend approval of the development permit, as it is generally consistent with

[2:49:43] Voice 6: the applicable DPA-1 guidelines, the anticipated impact to neighboring properties is minimal,

[2:49:48] Voice 6: as the subject property is already substantially developed as a commercial shopping center.

[2:49:54] Voice 6: The proposed addition will not significantly alter the appearance of the existing commercial

[2:50:01] Voice 6: area.

[2:50:01] Voice 6: As alternative, LTC may wish to request further information, refer the application to advisory planning committee for feedback, or deny the application as last alternative. Thank you.

[2:50:14] Voice 6: Thank you. And I see the applicant with us today.

[2:50:20] Voice 16: Did you have anything you wanted to add?

[2:50:23] Voice 6: No, I think it's straightforward. Appreciate the staff support.

[2:50:27] Voice 6: board okay thank you trustees mr packard i have no problem with the interpretation that's here

[2:50:36] Voice 6: my question is more uh and i really appreciate the complex evolving and meeting the needs of

[2:50:41] Voice 6: the community um probably for the benefit of the applicant is our staff as it evolves

[2:50:49] Voice 6: our staff concerned it's going to reach a point where it it does become challenging

[2:50:55] Voice 11: based on

[2:50:57] Voice 6: parking and all these other issues because like I said I'm fine with this application I just want

[2:51:01] Voice 6: to know where you're reaching a point where you're going to say well we can't approve this because

[2:51:07] Voice 6: uh as I said policies and regulations generally support the reduction of the

[2:51:13] Voice 6: in the parking numbers because we encourage the pedestrian-friendly communities

[2:51:21] Voice 6: We have nothing against interpretation to subcategorize the commercial use and to reduce

[2:51:31] Voice 6: the number of clocking by that, but this is just like not the regular way that we calculated

[2:51:36] Voice 6: the clocking numbers.

[2:51:37] Voice 6: Correct.

[2:51:38] Voice 6: I'm just saying in the future iterations, I'm glad this building is changing iteratively

[2:51:51] Voice 6: I don't have a concern, I'm just asking if the staff have a concern.

[2:51:56] Voice 6: Yeah, staff believes that it will not necessarily lead to an issue, but it encourages the

[2:52:07] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:52:12] Voice 6: Questions? There's a resolution in front of us.

[2:52:16] Voice 6: I move that the Salisbury National Local Trust Committee approve issuance of the development permit PLDP-20250223.

[2:52:25] Moved.

[2:52:26] Seconded by Trustee Harris.

[2:52:28] Any further discussion?

[2:52:30] Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[2:52:32] All those in favor?

[2:52:33] Voice 16: And that carries.

[2:52:36] Voice 16: And next, up on page 251, we have a resuming application, and this is back to Planner Garuba.

[2:52:45] Voice 2: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:52:46] Voice 2: This staff report presents application to amend the land use by-law and the OCP for the subject property located at 248 Upper Ganges Road, which proposes to make lawful the general employment operation of boat and equipment repair and personal services, a hair salon currently operating as a home-based business, on the subject property.

[2:53:07] Voice 2: This report is presented following the April 10, 2025 LTC meeting where the proposed bylaws were read a first time and referred to applicable agencies.

[2:53:18] Voice 2: Staff proceeded with the referral and generally there were no concerns expressed by the agencies that the proposed bylaws were referred to.

[2:53:26] Voice 2: However, the advisory planning committee had concerns about the impact of using water from the Majuna Creek for commercial use,

[2:53:33] Voice 2: as the subject property has a license to use the water up to 500 gallons per day for domestic use.

[2:53:41] Voice 2: As outlined in the April 10, 2025 staff report, the proposed land use bylaw amendment and the OCP amendment is generally consistent with the island's trust policy statements and as such can be advanced.

[2:53:53] Voice 2: staff therefore recommends that the LTC read proposed bylaw number 544 and proposed bylaw

[2:53:59] Voice 2: number 545 for a second time and request staff to proceed with public hearing staff also recommends

[2:54:06] Voice 2: a community information session in advance of the public hearing if staff recommendations are

[2:54:11] Voice 2: accepted the proposed bylaw numbers 544 and 545 will proceed to community information meeting and

[2:54:18] Voice 2: public hearing to be scheduled by staff. The proposed bylaws will return to the LCC for their

[2:54:24] Voice 2: consideration for a third reading. Alternative resolutions include to amend the proposed bylaws

[2:54:29] Voice 2: bylaw numbers 544 and 545 or deny the application. Thank you. Thank

[2:54:36] Voice 6: you and

[2:54:39] Voice 6: Trustee Harris? Can we waive the public hearing and read it a third time today and

[2:54:44] Voice 6: and get us on to work.

[2:54:47] Voice 6: Staff?

[2:54:51] Voice 12: There's no...

[2:55:04] Voice 2: Sorry, could you repeat that?

[2:55:08] Voice 6: Sir, Trustee Harris has asked if it's possible

[2:55:10] Voice 6: to waive the public hearing today.

[2:55:14] Voice 2: So, from my understanding,

[2:55:19] Voice 2: because in order to be able to waive the public hearing,

[2:55:22] Voice 2: the amendment has to be consistent with the OCP.

[2:55:26] Voice 2: and this amendment is also applicable to the OCP.

[2:55:31] Voice 2: So it's not just a land use by law amendment.

[2:55:33] Voice 2: It is also an OCP amendment.

[2:55:36] Voice 2: So I'm not entirely sure

[2:55:38] Voice 2: where even the public hearing is consistent with this.

[2:55:44] Voice 2: Thank you.

[2:55:47] Voice 6: And further, Trustee Patrick.

[2:55:51] Voice 6: Oh, well, it's the opposite here.

[2:55:52] Voice 6: Oh yeah, did you want to add anything?

[2:55:54] Voice 6: Sorry.

[2:55:54] Voice 6: I don't think so.

[2:56:03] Voice 6: And any other questions?

[2:56:05] Voice 6: I just have more questions.

[2:56:06] Voice 6: i i do support a public hearing support here from the community the neighborhood in particular

[2:56:12] Voice 6: before we make our decision um i guess my question is more to stop on on that um i know it's

[2:56:23] Voice 6: i like i like

[2:56:24] Voice 6: separation from public hearings to our meeting decisions not stacking them in

[2:56:29] Voice 6: within our meeting and then putting it on the application later that day i just prefer

[2:56:34] Voice 6: prefer separation so that we can digest what

[2:56:38] Voice 6: we've heard before we make a decision.

[2:56:42] Voice 6: But I don't know what stuff we're planning or where I'm scheduling that public hearing.

[2:56:51] Voice 2: So regarding the schedule of the public hearing, we're waiting to have a resolution from the

[2:56:57] Voice 2: LTC before going ahead with plans for scheduling a public hearing.

[2:57:01] Voice 2: I

[2:57:05] Voice 6: think what Dr. Patrick was asking about is the possibility of doing third reading and adopting

[2:57:13] Voice 6: after public hearing. Not in the same meeting. Not in the same meeting. Not in a regular LTC

[2:57:20] Voice 6: meeting in other words. In my view that does carry risk of exposure. So LTC is not the

[2:57:27] your initial input on the on the hearing um so there's there's a benefit to simply have to reach

[2:57:32] right away um and it's possible

[2:57:35] Voice 6: however it's entirely up to ltc's with them whether or not

[2:57:38] Voice 6: they want to advance readings um following a public hearing i would suggest in the moment

[2:57:45] Voice 6: that third reading is of use uh however lpc is certainly welcome to consider um deferring that

[2:57:55] Voice 6: consideration i guess then that that means holding a public hearing in the middle of the you know

[2:58:01] Voice 6: morning on a weekday is that the intent or is where we're trying to make it publicly accessible

[2:58:08] Voice 6: the public hearing that's my only question if ltc wants to uh more than well if you request a

[2:58:15] special public hearing to help

[2:58:16] Voice 6: um within a you know a minimum number of days prior to the regular

[2:58:21] Voice 6: regular LTC meeting. It would need to be a first meeting, and ideally it ought to be.

[2:58:27] Voice 6: But if you are asking for a later date, it's not necessarily supported by a staff perspective.

[2:58:41] We are bringing staff online over time, so it's a challenge in that way.

[2:58:49] But, you know, we're here to see

[2:58:51] Voice 6: if it's necessary to conduct a public hearing if that's alternative.

[2:59:01] Voice 6: I mean, I have no knowledge. I don't, I don't know what to expect. So I'm just trying to make sure we're being available and we're holding them.

[2:59:12] Voice 6: And we haven't had a rezoning,

[2:59:14] Voice 6: this I know has been a long time coming,

[2:59:17] Voice 6: but we haven't had a rezoning public hearing

[2:59:19] Voice 6: in a very long time.

[2:59:21] Voice 6: We just wanna make sure we are making it accessible.

[2:59:23] Voice 6: That's all.

[2:59:24] Voice 6: Chair, I would say that we do have a notice period.

[2:59:28] Voice 6: The public hearing itself is the culmination

[2:59:32] Voice 6: of a wide range of input.

[2:59:33] Voice 6: We have everything from,

[2:59:36] Voice 6: people can submit written submissions as well.

[2:59:40] Voice 6: so there's lots of ways to do that so those are options as well for the community

[2:59:45] Voice 6: or we recognize that the public of the carriage itself is somewhat of value

[2:59:51] Voice 6: is that not sufficient where it gets posted

[3:00:00] Voice 6: paper and and there can be feedback and that's it or does there have to be a physical public hearing

[3:00:07] Voice 6: you're not required to attend a public hearing you can write a letter that will be provided to

[3:00:15] Voice 6: lpc you know the legislation is that lpc each trustee should consider

[3:00:21] Voice 6: be it an attachment delegation at the public hearing or a letter

[3:00:25] Voice 6: uh it should be considered but my

[3:00:29] Voice 7: question is do we have to schedule a physical public hearing yes

[3:00:33] Voice 7: okay and

[3:00:39] Voice 6: then if the motion carries then i might have some suggestions around

[3:00:47] timing to consider just for travel and expense efficiency but

[3:00:54] Voice 6: uh we do have these motions in

[3:00:55] Voice 6: front of us i'm moving southbound local trust committee bylaw number 544 cited as salt spring

[3:01:02] Voice 6: island official community plan bylaw number 434 2007 2008 amendment number 1 2025 read a second

[3:01:10] Voice 6: time second by trustee harris any discussion i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:01:17] i move the salt spring island local trust committee bylaw number 545 cited as salt

[3:01:23] Voice 6: spring island land use file number 355 1999 amendment number three 2025 we read a second time

[3:01:30] Voice 6: moved second by trustee harris any discussion call the question all those in favor carries

[3:01:39] Voice 6: salt and local trust committee request staff to schedule a community information meeting

[3:01:44] Voice 6: and public hearing for violence for 544 cited as salt spring island official community plan

[3:01:49] Voice 6: Plan, bylaw number 434-2008, amendment number 1-2025.

[3:01:55] Voice 6: Moved.

[3:01:56] Voice 6: Second by Trustee Harris, any discussion?

[3:01:59] Voice 6: Call for question, all those in favor?

[3:02:01] Voice 6: Motion carries.

[3:02:03] Voice 6: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:02:05] Voice 6: request staff to schedule a community information meeting

[3:02:07] Voice 6: and public hearing for bylaw number 545,

[3:02:12] Voice 6: cited in the Salt Spring Island land use bylaw

[3:02:15] Voice 6: number 355-1999, amendment number 3-2025.

[3:02:18] Voice 6: five moved secondly trustee harris any discussion all the questions all those in favor

[3:02:26] and i'm curious as well okay

[3:02:29] Voice 6: thank you and we'll uh i'll just convey the my suggestions

[3:02:33] Voice 6: to staff i was speaking um perhaps

[3:02:37] Voice 16: uh later in the day on october 15th or perhaps on december 10th

[3:02:45] Voice 16: consider that at a later time um moving us along we have um at page 281 we have the

[3:02:55] Voice 6: complain housing agreement cost recovery agreement um and this is coming to us from

[3:03:01] Voice 6: thank you

[3:03:03] Voice 2: very much mr chair um this report sticks the salt spring island local trust

[3:03:07] Voice 2: committee's endorsement of a cost recovery agreement in order to legally review the

[3:03:12] Voice 2: applicant's request to consider a housing agreement and covenant on title of the subject property

[3:03:17] Voice 2: located at 1454 Kingsland Road. It is for the purpose of an amendment of the Salt Spring

[3:03:23] Voice 2: Island Land Use By-law to permit the development of up to 50 affordable dwelling units, general

[3:03:28] Voice 2: offices, child care centre and reduced minimum lot size for potential subdivision of the subject

[3:03:33] Voice 2: property. The applicant has provided a draft housing agreement which will be reviewed by the

[3:03:39] Voice 2: the Ireland's Trust Legal seemed to ensure that the agreement is enforceable

[3:03:42] Voice 2: and also in line with the current legal practices.

[3:03:46] Voice 2: The recommended legal review is an extraordinary process and service

[3:03:49] Voice 2: as per Ireland's Trust Policy 5.6.i,

[3:03:52] Voice 2: and as such, the cost of the review is to be borne by the applicant,

[3:03:55] Voice 2: subject to a cost recovery agreement endorsed by the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[3:04:01] Voice 2: The reasoning application is contingent upon adoption of a housing agreement.

[3:04:07] Voice 2: A legal review of the housing agreement is therefore required to ensure that islands' trust interests are met.

[3:04:14] Voice 2: Staff therefore recommends that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve, in principle, the draft housing agreement attached to the staff report,

[3:04:21] Voice 2: and also that the LTC directs staff to enter into a cost recovery agreement with the applicant,

[3:04:27] Voice 2: can't push on to trust council policy and the salt spring island planning application fees by law

[3:04:32] Voice 2: to request islands trust legal council review of the draft affordable housing agreements thank you

[3:04:40] Voice 16: thank you um have a representative yes so

[3:04:46] Voice 6: i'm i'm here to answer questions um if you have any

[3:04:51] Voice 6: thank you trustees any questions for staff or the uh well i guess the housing agreement you're

[3:05:00] Voice 6: feeling comfortable with the direction it's going in the staff have been very helpful

[3:05:06] Voice 6: anything else

[3:05:15] Voice 16: are you part of the applicant oh i'm sorry okay now then it's yeah um

[3:05:25] Voice 6: anything else trustees no no very straightforward i have some recommendations here um i move that

[3:05:37] Voice 6: seltzman and local trust committee approved in principle the draft housing agreement attached

[3:05:41] Voice 6: to the stock court bill second by trustee harris in the discussion call the question all those in

[3:05:48] Voice 6: favor carries it's ultimately on local trust committee direct staff to enter into a cost

[3:05:55] Voice 6: recovery agreement with the applicant of application plr the zenda is uh zero two zero

[3:06:02] Voice 6: zero five zero two two zero any numbers pursuant to trust council policy uh and the salt spring

[3:06:11] Voice 6: island planning application fees bylaw to request islands trust legal counsel review the draft

[3:06:16] Voice 6: affordable housing agreement moved accepted by trustee harris any further discussion

[3:06:23] Voice 6: i'll just note that executive committee um did uh sponsor uh portions of the application fee

[3:06:31] Voice 6: and in support of the recommendation here.

[3:06:35] Voice 6: Anything further from my other trustee?

[3:06:38] Voice 6: No.

[3:06:38] Voice 6: I'll call question then.

[3:06:39] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[3:06:42] Voice 6: If that carries.

[3:06:45] Voice 6: All right.

[3:06:46] Voice 6: And rounding out our applications on page 296,

[3:06:52] Voice 6: we have the Connecticut Road, that's your D, resuming,

[3:06:56] Voice 6: and over to Clannogaruba.

[3:06:58] Voice 2: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[3:07:00] Voice 2: This staff report presents applications to amend the

[3:07:03] Voice 2: Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law for subject property located at 210 and 220 Kanaka Road,

[3:07:08] Voice 2: which proposes to bring into compliance the proposed upgrades to the maintenance facility

[3:07:12] Voice 2: on the subject property. This report is presented following the February 13, 2025 LCC meeting where

[3:07:19] Voice 2: staff was directed to draft by-laws and refer it to applicable agencies. Staff proceeded with

[3:07:24] Voice 2: drafting the by-laws and it was referred to the applicable agencies. Generally, there were no

[3:07:28] Voice 2: concerns expressed by the agencies that the proposed bylaws were referred to. As outlined

[3:07:34] Voice 2: in the February 13, 2025 staff report, the proposed land use bylaw amendment is generally

[3:07:38] Voice 2: consistent with the island's trust policy statement and as such can be advanced. Staff

[3:07:43] Voice 2: therefore recommends that the LCC read draft bylaw number 543 for a first and second time

[3:07:48] Voice 2: and request staff to proceed with public hearing. Staff also recommends a community information

[3:07:53] Voice 2: information session in advance of the public hearing.

[3:07:56] Voice 2: If the recommended resolutions are accepted,

[3:07:58] Voice 2: draft bylaw number 543 will be read a first and second time

[3:08:02] Voice 2: and the application will return to the LCC

[3:08:04] Voice 2: for their consideration for a third meeting

[3:08:06] Voice 2: at a later date.

[3:08:07] Voice 2: LCC may consider alternative resolutions

[3:08:10] Voice 2: to either amend the draft bylaw

[3:08:12] Voice 2: or to deny the application.

[3:08:13] Voice 2: Thank you.

[3:08:16] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:08:17] Voice 6: And we have anyone from CRD today?

[3:08:22] Voice 6: It's you?

[3:08:23] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:08:24] Voice 6: All right, go ahead.

[3:08:24] Voice 6: anything that uh nothing that happens here for questions okay thank you trustees questions for

[3:08:35] Voice 6: staff or applicants today uh no i mean i understand we made uh housing and accessory

[3:08:41] Voice 6: uh use i just thought it was interesting i chaired it down to gabriela island and they

[3:08:46] Voice 6: have a rezoning on a commercial property and they're tying because they want the housing

[3:08:51] Voice 6: They're tying the applicant to, they get to develop up to a certain amount, if they, once

[3:08:59] Voice 6: they want to develop more commercial land, they must build the housing units.

[3:09:03] Voice 6: But I'm not suggesting we

[3:09:05] Voice 13: do that right

[3:09:05] Voice 6: now, but it's an interesting approach that they're

[3:09:07] Voice 6: taking out Gabriela.

[3:09:08] Voice 6: I'm glad to see that we have the housing accessory, because I think CRD is going to be needing

[3:09:14] Voice 6: employee housing sooner than later.

[3:09:19] Voice 6: All right, anything further?

[3:09:22] Voice 6: uh we have uh some recommendations in front of us i'm a consultant level trust committee bylaw

[3:09:28] Voice 6: number five four three cited the salt spring island land use bylaw number three five five

[3:09:33] Voice 6: nineteen ninety nine amendment number two twenty twenty five you read it first time

[3:09:38] Voice 6: second by trustee harris any discussion public question all those in favor

[3:09:45] Voice 6: carries salt spring island local trust committee bylaw number five four three cited

[3:09:50] Voice 6: is the salt

[3:09:50] Voice 6: spring island land use bylaw number three five five nineteen ninety nine amendment number two

[3:09:55] Voice 6: twenty twenty five you read a second time moved second by trustee harris any discussion

[3:10:02] Voice 6: all the questions all those in favor carries i move that the salt spring island local trust

[3:10:08] Voice 6: committee requests staff to schedule a community information meeting and public hearing for

[3:10:12] Voice 6: bylaw number 543 cited as salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 1999

[3:10:19] 99 amendment number two 2025.

[3:10:23] Voice 6: moved second by trustee harris discussion justin patrick i would

[3:10:29] Voice 6: encourage staff not to to not to see a convenience of trying to schedule both community information

[3:10:35] Voice 6: and public hearings of these two different rezonings on the same day um i think these

[3:10:40] Voice 6: are different audiences and concerns that i think putting together only complicate matters

[3:10:47] Voice 6: so I'd encourage you to keep them separate.

[3:10:51] Voice 6: Noted.

[3:10:52] Voice 6: Anything further?

[3:10:54] Voice 6: I would like to ensure

[3:10:56] Voice 6: that there's a policy

[3:10:58] Voice 6: in the name of efficiency

[3:11:00] Voice 6: that should advance applications

[3:11:01] Voice 6: but probably do some direction on that one.

[3:11:07] Voice 6: I just know from experience

[3:11:09] Voice 6: we held twice term

[3:11:11] Voice 6: we did have two on the same day

[3:11:13] Voice 6: and it did frustrate people

[3:11:15] Voice 6: because some people wanted to speak

[3:11:17] Voice 6: about one and the other

[3:11:18] Voice 6: and they thought they were here for the other

[3:11:20] Voice 6: and it didn't help

[3:11:22] Voice 6: the situation

[3:11:23] Voice 6: so I just think

[3:11:26] Voice 6: it's better to have them separated

[3:11:29] Voice 6: so that

[3:11:30] Voice 6: you're clearly speaking to say

[3:11:32] Voice 6: okay I'm closing this one and starting another one

[3:11:34] Voice 6: it's awkward for the chair

[3:11:36] Voice 6: and it's really awkward

[3:11:38] Voice 6: for the audience to know

[3:11:40] Voice 6: why they're here

[3:11:41] Voice 6: they may have been very interested

[3:11:44] Voice 6: in another topic and now

[3:11:46] Voice 6: they're drawn into this one without really

[3:11:51] Voice 6: thinking about their meeting points i just think separating them just is easier to advertise

[3:11:56] Voice 6: easier to talk to people and it doesn't look like we're just being a paper turner

[3:12:06] Voice 6: and here we are just

[3:12:09] Voice 7: here i sort of understand that rationale but i also you

[3:12:14] Voice 6: know oppose it at

[3:12:15] Voice 6: the same time you know if just for expedience and you

[3:12:24] Voice 7: know consideration for staff time

[3:12:28] Voice 7: everybody else's time doesn't seem like it would be that difficult at a meeting to say okay we're

[3:12:35] Voice 7: talking about this first or

[3:12:38] Voice 6: he wants to speak to it please put up your hand and those people will

[3:12:43] Voice 6: be spoken we heard from and then on to the second um you know the second item so i'd love to hear

[3:12:58] Voice 6: from staff what they think there's there's sort of two schools of thought i guess i mean i'm

[3:13:07] wondering if there's a way that we can provide their

[3:13:10] Voice 6: presentation here you know the housing

[3:13:15] Voice 6: public hearing item now we're talking about um the connection map or something so those are

[3:13:23] it's one option i know it's also you know getting a if we're wanting to get planners or our planners

[3:13:28] Voice 6: who come from up island they have an expiring clock or they would be attending electronically

[3:13:34] Voice 6: um that would be kind of the options that they they'd have um in terms of public hearing for

[3:13:40] Voice 6: wanting to do it especially um additionally there's the cost of of booking um of the legion

[3:13:48] Voice 6: our budget is not overspent the year at this point um but i think we do a fairly steady uh

[3:13:57] dispensing of our meeting budget.

[3:14:00] Voice 6: So those are just the kind of factors

[3:14:02] Voice 6: that we would actually contemplate.

[3:14:04] Voice 6: There is other budget, I guess,

[3:14:05] Voice 6: in terms of the number of notification budgets

[3:14:09] Voice 6: that are gonna be expensive and there's more right now,

[3:14:13] Voice 6: the number of agencies to stop advertising the newspaper,

[3:14:17] Voice 6: but otherwise there's some options

[3:14:20] Voice 6: to address that other than .

[3:14:22] Voice 6: Those are kind of the off-the-cuff analysis

[3:14:28] Voice 6: I want to try to find a way to balance the logistics of it.

[3:14:34] Voice 6: Fair enough.

[3:14:39] And scheduling is still something that we

[3:14:44] Voice 6: can't decide on today at any rate.

[3:14:48] Voice 6: Trustee Harris?

[3:14:49] Voice 6: Another point I have in favor of scheduling them on the same day as the files, as we looked at earlier in the agenda.

[3:14:59] Voice 6: And there are issues with the staff that we have.

[3:15:05] Voice 6: And a lot of people would prefer to see them both done on the same day, rather.

[3:15:22] Voice 6: My only, if that is absolutely what has to be done,

[3:15:25] Voice 6: then I think there has to be one in the morning and one in the afternoon.

[3:15:28] Voice 6: They're physically separated.

[3:15:30] Voice 6: Because as we saw today, people come in.

[3:15:33] Voice 6: They come in in the middle of a public hearing for the topic.

[3:15:35] Voice 6: They think they're here for the next one.

[3:15:37] Voice 6: And you're just going to have more crowd management and confusion

[3:15:40] Voice 6: confusion as to what's going on so i think you are we are going to attempt to have it during the day

[3:15:47] Voice 6: on a regular meeting that we physically separate a morning and afternoon time between them so that

[3:15:54] Voice 6: people are showing up at the time spot that they expect to be in not early for while the other one's

[3:16:01] Voice 6: still going and we don't know

[3:16:03] Voice 6: how many people are going to come and they want to be heard

[3:16:06] Voice 6: and allow that time so if you schedule the next one too closely you might still have the other

[3:16:11] Voice 6: one still going on so that's all i just want to make sure we're being clear that we're you know

[3:16:16] Voice 6: the more clarity we have that the participation quality is better and the chair is managing

[3:16:24] Voice 6: somebody thinking they're here for something else just to hear and that

[3:16:29] Voice 6: sounds fair enough

[3:16:29] Voice 7: you know i could sort of see the scenario again like trustee patrick mentioned one

[3:16:35] later in the morning and a lunch break and then after lunch the second seems to be quite

[3:16:43] doable and one booking of the legion and

[3:16:46] Voice 6: that kind of deal those are those are pretty

[3:16:50] Voice 6: straightforward like that's that's fairly simple yeah do a debate that's that's very magical okay

[3:17:02] Voice 16: and hopefully our meeting administrator can remind me how do i call the question on this item

[3:17:09] Voice 16: i didn't think i did all right any further i

[3:17:16] Voice 6: will call a question then uh all those in favor

[3:17:19] Voice 6: and that carries thank you for that okay

[3:17:26] Voice 16: moving on we next have on page 328 the

[3:17:33] Voice 16: trust council policy statement bylaw number 183 referral um my recommendation is

[3:17:41] Voice 6: that this item

[3:17:42] Voice 6: be deferred until after the local policy statement public engagement events in october

[3:17:48] Voice 6: i think it's my perspective is that it's important to have the public have the opportunity to weigh

[3:17:57] in before local trust committee makes a decision on this referral

[3:18:02] Voice 6: we have until february 6th

[3:18:05] Voice 6: to complete the referral response so i i think that would be more appropriate to defer

[3:18:13] Voice 6: until afterwards about this.

[3:18:15] Voice 6: So my thoughts, but I will turn it over to Scott.

[3:18:18] Voice 6: Well, Mr. Yeomans is here.

[3:18:22] Voice 6: Ah, there's

[3:18:23] Voice 16: Mr. Yeomans. Hello.

[3:18:25] Voice 10: Good afternoon, Salt Spring trustees.

[3:18:30] Voice 10: Chair Peterson, I think you summarized things well.

[3:18:33] Voice 10: I don't have much to add beyond that.

[3:18:35] Voice 10: Maybe just a little bit of detail around the edges

[3:18:37] Voice 10: that there are two in-person events planned on Salt Spring.

[3:18:40] Voice 10: Ultimately, they both wound up being in the month of October.

[3:18:43] Voice 10: There is a morning event on Saturday, October the 18th at the Anglican Church.

[3:18:48] Voice 10: And then on the evening of October 22nd, there will be an event at Fulford Hall.

[3:18:56] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:18:58] Voice 6: Trustees?

[3:18:59] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick?

[3:19:00] Voice 13: This is the third time I've seen this referral this week.

[3:19:05] Voice 6: But I think there was a couple of conversations that came up at the two different trust committees.

[3:19:12] Voice 6: One is, I mean, the intent is that we look, this is looking at the trust policy statement through the lens of Salt Spring.

[3:19:21] Voice 6: How did these policies end up here?

[3:19:25] Voice 6: Are there challenges with Salt Spring, the way that they're written?

[3:19:30] Voice 6: Are there things missing?

[3:19:33] Voice 6: And so forth.

[3:19:34] Voice 6: So we really need to make sure we're looking at trust policy statement as Salt Spring trustees.

[3:19:39] Voice 6: fees um and i think some of our system the way it was designed is where we will have the two

[3:19:48] Voice 6: information sessions on the island but we won't necessarily have access to we won't have the

[3:19:53] Voice 6: survey results that's not closing till afterwards so we won't know if people have provided other

[3:20:00] Voice 6: input um i mean we can go look at the 2050 correspondence page and look through but

[3:20:07] Voice 6: but they don't necessarily identify themselves

[3:20:09] Voice 6: as to what island they live on.

[3:20:11] Voice 6: So we're going to have to read that correspondence

[3:20:14] Voice 6: and be looking for comments that say salt springs,

[3:20:18] Voice 6: that we're not gonna get a sorted out batch of that.

[3:20:22] Voice 6: So it's gonna be some work

[3:20:24] Voice 6: from a local trustee perspective to make sure

[3:20:29] Voice 6: that we've sought out and heard what this community

[3:20:33] Voice 6: has to say about trust policy statement and interesting too i guess from our bulletin boards

[3:20:42] Voice 6: and posters um of our associated islands peers island is probably the most organized i shouldn't

[3:20:51] Voice 6: say the others aren't well organized but they're very small um our peers has the fire hall they

[3:20:57] Voice 6: have bulletin boards and they have things so um i know we

[3:21:01] Voice 6: used to have a contact person for

[3:21:03] Voice 6: for the housing association on Piers Island,

[3:21:06] Voice 6: but we should make sure a poster gets over there

[3:21:09] Voice 6: so that they're participating as well.

[3:21:12] Voice 6: And the last term, we did have a session on Piers Island

[3:21:16] Voice 6: with the residents there.

[3:21:18] Voice 6: This term, we haven't found an opportunity to get over there.

[3:21:21] Voice 6: They're a great group of folks.

[3:21:23] Voice 6: They are very strongly opinionated, I must trust,

[3:21:28] Voice 6: but like I said, they do have a public bulletin board

[3:21:33] Voice 6: that we should make sure is posted.

[3:21:40] Voice 10: Okay, we'll look into facilitating that, trustee Patrick.

[3:21:47] Voice 16: So-

[3:21:48] Voice 6: We need a motion to defer and I guess it would be-

[3:21:51] Voice 16: Do

[3:21:52] Voice 6: we need a motion to defer?

[3:21:54] Voice 6: The other two local trustees require that.

[3:21:58] Voice 6: Okay, motion to defer and then I think-

[3:22:01] Voice 6: It goes on the follow-up action list.

[3:22:02] Voice 6: it should be at least till the november meeting obviously then because of the timing of the events

[3:22:09] Voice 6: okay all right is november

[3:22:12] Voice 6: okay uh i move that the south spring local trust committee uh defer um bylaw referral

[3:22:23] Voice 6: policy statement bylaw number 183 to its november 2025 meeting so moved seconded

[3:22:33] Voice 6: uh any further discussion i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:22:38] Voice 6: i'm not curious thank you mr yeomans okay

[3:22:44] Voice 10: thank you salt spring trustees bye and

[3:22:47] Voice 16: next we have

[3:22:49] Voice 16: the ocplub uh career project update this is located on page two of the addendum

[3:23:17] Voice 6: Yes,

[3:23:18] Voice 16: not the work program. Okay. I've provided the wrong page number.

[3:23:23] Voice 6: We are early. I don't have consultants in the group, but it may be best passed

[3:23:37] Voice 6: OCP update in this case. Certainly carry on with the P3 forward and I'll come back.

[3:23:49] Voice 6: Okay, that's that's good advice. Thank you for that. So let's go then to item 15.3, which I believe is on page 15 of the addendum. There it is. And over to you, sir.

[3:24:11] Voice 6: Sure. You've seen these business cases before, in previous years, and still carry them.

[3:24:34] Voice 6: And so about business cases, you'd have a small expense this year on a battery on one of the wall lockers to be replaced.

[3:24:49] Voice 6: There is a bit of a small add to this budget.

[3:25:10] Voice 11: Oh, I'll let it rip. This is frustrating.

[3:25:15] Voice 6: And not just this. I mean, I know that the science program did something in the last two years on this island. It

[3:25:23] Voice 6: has never been reported to the Local Trust Committee or our community.

[3:25:27] Voice 6: Other islands in the Southern Gulf Islands have received mapping on what the results of the work was, and it was shared with their community.

[3:25:37] Voice 6: community and why not Salt Spring? Why is fresh water on this island kicked down the road? It's very frustrating. I

[3:25:56] Voice 11: don't know. I do know there is some people I've encouraged folks. I look at having Polis sitting over

[3:26:02] Voice 6: here at UVic being one of probably the best program in the province for watershed work and integrating watershed First Nations

[3:26:17] Voice 6: governance

[3:26:19] Voice 6: and as well as

[3:26:20] wildfire management

[3:26:22] and

[3:26:22] Voice 6: drinking water watersheds

[3:26:24] Voice 6: and

[3:26:28] I know there's some people

[3:26:30] working with them and

[3:26:31] Voice 6: they hope to come

[3:26:32] Voice 6: do a pitch and I hope they come and pitch

[3:26:34] Voice 6: soon as

[3:26:36] Voice 6: to how we could carry on

[3:26:38] Voice 6: doing the

[3:26:41] Voice 6: dynamic data

[3:26:43] Voice 6: collection that needs to happen especially

[3:26:45] Voice 6: with climate change. Things are changing

[3:26:47] Voice 6: changing faster than programs can have, and I'd like to see the residual monies from SWPA

[3:27:00] Voice 6: go to something good.

[3:27:03] Voice 6: The CRD refuses to consider bringing a drinking water watershed service like any other regional

[3:27:13] Voice 6: districts of the province that's sad that they will not proceed with salt spring in the southern

[3:27:20] Voice 6: gulf islands um then we need to make sure this money goes to something good that moves us forward

[3:27:29] Voice 6: into something i'm i'm very frustrated but i i can't provide you with a reason why that data

[3:27:39] has not come forward uh the

[3:27:42] Voice 6: i would suggest that um you know in my last quarterly um report program

[3:27:47] update i did have hope that we have a uh i would be assigned to this this file uh starting with the

[3:27:56] with that task precisely uh unfortunately

[3:27:59] Voice 6: our staff changes

[3:28:00] Voice 6: was focused had to focus more on a number of applications just went through it so um so that's

[3:28:09] Voice 6: That's part of why this hasn't, we had one chance in the last little while to move forward,

[3:28:16] Voice 6: but it's just still, as I keep on interacting with it, it's not the number one priority.

[3:28:26] Voice 6: That's kind of why this product hasn't updated, but it doesn't tell you why the well logger

[3:28:32] data has not been logged, so I don't have an explanation for you today.

[3:28:37] but what I

[3:28:40] Voice 6: would suggest is that that you could put them in touch with with

[3:28:47] Voice 6: polis one of the first steps if that's a connection you can make then to at least

[3:29:06] Voice 6: I would say that this money is in reserve, it's options of the bid, so keeping this enough

[3:29:13] Voice 6: to help, it's worthwhile.

[3:29:24] Voice 6: That might be a better resolution for another day, given that we kind of want this to just

[3:29:36] Voice 6: go on.

[3:29:37] Voice 6: Trustee Harris?

[3:29:46] Voice 6: You know,

[3:29:46] Voice 7: in this watershed protection plan, I don't see anything about fire breaks 60

[3:29:52] Voice 7: 60 feet wide Maxwell

[3:29:55] Voice 6: watershed or any other non-private property.

[3:30:00] Voice 7: watersheds

[3:30:00] Voice 5: that's what

[3:30:02] Voice 7: the leading um

[3:30:05] Voice 6: wildfire experts of the west coast of north america

[3:30:13] Voice 6: basically

[3:30:16] Voice 7: suggest that's needed if you really want to protect against wildfires and these watersheds

[3:30:22] Voice 7: i know some

[3:30:24] Voice 6: people working

[3:30:24] Voice 7: on some of these projects don't they want to just you know not

[3:30:29] Voice 7: hear that kind of information again leading wildfire experts on the west coast of north

[3:30:34] america call for

[3:30:36] Voice 7: and have used successfully 60 foot wide

[3:30:39] Voice 6: clearings in any forests and watersheds

[3:30:44] Voice 6: and this is to be done with heavy equipment by loggers that's being done up and down the coast

[3:30:51] Voice 6: where wildfire is an issue and as we know now is a

[3:30:54] Voice 6: big issue here because we were hearing about it

[3:30:56] Voice 7: talk about it for ocp policy statement and that kind of thing so as this recommendation is now

[3:31:04] Voice 7: I don't see anything about that in the watershed protection plan

[3:31:06] Voice 6: and as far as groundwater

[3:31:11] Voice 6: sustainability goes so

[3:31:14] Voice 7: we have we don't have a we don't have an issue there's lots of water here

[3:31:20] Voice 7: there's areas that have more in some areas don't have any or very little and that's been known by

[3:31:26] Voice 7: people here for as long as I am aware of and I think it's just money and time procedural time

[3:31:37] Voice 7: tax dollars just ill spent so the way these are now i'm opposed

[3:31:43] Voice 6: to the trust this is money that's

[3:31:50] Voice 6: sitting in surplus that is for these purposes so this uh these have no tax burdens on them

[3:31:55] they've been taxed it's been collected it sits there so the money has to be spent on

[3:32:03] on uh water

[3:32:05] Voice 6: coordination so it's it's it is tied and the wildfire part

[3:32:13] Voice 6: the watershed protection plan is is is just a um ongoing tasks that belong to the key agencies the

[3:32:25] Voice 6: province of uh islands trust and the crd through their various service provisions um that have to

[3:32:32] be done so it just it's a collection of the

[3:32:35] Voice 6: main agency's work uh the wildfire work could be or

[3:32:41] Voice 6: could be associated with our ocp um trustee thank you yeah i understand that the money is already

[3:32:51] Voice 6: there i was opposed to those tax requisitions um from the beginning um

[3:32:56] Voice 7: this is just you know

[3:32:57] indicates to me that um you know my opposition was uh was well founded um you know perhaps that

[3:33:05] money can

[3:33:06] Voice 6: be put to much much better use so we'll look at some of the real issues that are facing

[3:33:11] Voice 6: us here on salt spring island i'm still opposed to these recommendations justice director i move

[3:33:22] Voice 6: that the salesman trust committee forward watershed protection plan 2023 2032 business

[3:33:28] Voice 6: case attached is attachment one to the staff report of october 1 2024 financial planning

[3:33:34] Voice 6: committee for inclusion 20.6 27 trust council budget i'll second that um discussion just note

[3:33:44] again

[3:33:44] Voice 6: my it's frustrating this is i think third year in a row that we've just moved a business

[3:33:49] Voice 6: case forward to be a parking lot number on a

[3:33:52] Voice 6: budget with no resources to actually get the

[3:33:56] Voice 6: work done and it's it's not okay um yeah i'll still be opposed and note that this

[3:34:03] Voice 6: some highlights some of this function that um that plagues the organization and plagues the

[3:34:10] taxpayers of salt spring island

[3:34:11] Voice 6: that my opposition opposition could be noted

[3:34:14] Voice 6: and further i'll call the question all those in favor and any of those that looks curious

[3:34:26] Voice 6: i'm going to salt spain and local trust committee forward salt spring island groundwater

[3:34:29] Voice 6: sustainability from a well-monitoring business case attached as attachment to to the staff

[3:34:36] Voice 6: report of october 1 2024 to the financial planning committee for inclusion in the 2026-27 trust

[3:34:43] Voice 6: council budget i'll second that any further discussion um i would love to add if i could

[3:34:51] that i'm opposed and i see this as um this was it would only be restrictive

[3:34:59] um when we were trying to deal with the workforce ownership possible crisis that we have

[3:35:05] Voice 6: this along with many many other things will basically put a strong positive movement

[3:35:11] Voice 6: substantial positive movement and what we really need to do here in the soil

[3:35:17] Voice 6: Justice Patrick the groundwater monitoring equipment is in the ground um it it's here

[3:35:24] Voice 6: it's actually beneficial i i do know when and if this ever moves forward i want to see it

[3:35:30] Voice 6: that we get away from us owning this data and it gets turned over to the province immediately

[3:35:36] Voice 6: just like it is on Quadra Island, why it was ever set up to not share with the province

[3:35:42] Voice 6: was not good. That was prior to my time. All this data should belong to the province and

[3:35:48] Voice 6: be on their system.

[3:35:52] Voice 6: Anything further? We'll call the question. All those in favor? Any opposed? If I could

[3:36:00] Voice 6: have my opposition, please. Thank you. And the motion carries. And

[3:36:06] Voice 16: next we have a staff

[3:36:07] Voice 16: report on page 30 of the addendum.

[3:36:10] Voice 6: And over to Mr. Hunt.

[3:36:41] Voice 16: Okay, so let's circle back up to the OCP LUMB project.

[3:36:52] Voice 16: Mr.

[3:37:06] Voice 6: Chair, I'm just going to pass this off to this board, if you don't mind, my computer

[3:37:35] Voice 6: seems to have gone.

[3:37:39] Voice 6: Oh, here you go.

[3:37:44] Voice 1: hi folks can can you hear me okay we're having a little bit of a tough time hearing you

[3:37:51] Voice 1: oh

[3:37:52] Voice 16: yeah we can hear you fine perfect

[3:37:54] Voice 1: okay i think i heard uh chris say that he was handing it off

[3:37:58] Voice 1: to us am i correct you'd like me to jump in now

[3:38:00] Voice 16: that's yes that's what he said

[3:38:02] Voice 16: terrific

[3:38:03] Voice 1: okay well

[3:38:04] Voice 1: i'm here today to give you an overview of the communications and engagement plan that we have

[3:38:10] Voice 1: designed for the Official Community Plan and Land Use By-law Amendment Project.

[3:38:16] Voice 1: And I think, Tyler, are you going to give an overview of the work plan,

[3:38:19] Voice 1: or are we going to jump straight into the communications and engagement?

[3:38:27] Voice 5: Oh,

[3:38:28] Voice 16: Tyler, you're muted.

[3:38:29] Voice 9: Thank you. Thanks, Sandra. It'd be up to Council,

[3:38:33] Voice 9: Trust Council's pleasure here. Happy to do whatever they would prefer.

[3:38:46] Voice 16: I'm sorry. Well, yeah, go ahead and proceed, yeah, please.

[3:38:49] Voice 16: please.

[3:38:51] Voice 9: Okay, thank you. We're having a very tough time hearing audio coming from your way. So we'll

[3:38:57] Voice 9: please interrupt if there's any questions, and we'll do our best to catch them.

[3:39:01] Voice 16: Okay, yeah, understood.

[3:39:05] Voice 9: Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you for your time here. We're very pleased

[3:39:08] Voice 9: to be in front of you and even more pleased to be seeing this project kick off. And I know

[3:39:15] Voice 9: Sandra's excited to get on with the engagement. So we're very excited and happy to present this

[3:39:21] Voice 9: to you um there's two documents in your agenda package uh one is the work plan and the other

[3:39:28] Voice 9: is the communications and engagement plan i'll touch upon the work plan and i think it's uh most

[3:39:33] Voice 9: appropriate if i turn it over to sandra for the communication and engagement plan is uh this is

[3:39:36] Voice 9: her passion and also her expertise so uh uh the work plan before you really outlines how we

[3:39:43] Voice 9: anticipate the project uh unfolding uh based in response uh with in response to the rfp discussions

[3:39:50] Voice 9: with staff and we've also especially when it comes to the communications and engagement plan

[3:39:55] Voice 9: really tried to incorporate as much as that early feedback from the uh the advisory committee as

[3:40:00] Voice 9: possible uh phase one has already started in a lot of senses um it will take us really about to

[3:40:09] Voice 9: april 20 uh 2026 um and the detailed uh diagram for that is on page 380 of your agenda the overall

[3:40:18] Voice 9: overall kind of timeline is shown on page 379 but phase one focuses on the community visioning

[3:40:25] Voice 9: and it's really really trying to like through the communications and engagement plan really

[3:40:31] Voice 9: trying to get a sense of how the community views itself and how they view some of the existing

[3:40:36] Voice 9: policy direction and where they might want to go and some of the key deliverables coming from this

[3:40:42] Voice 9: and it's not just informed by engagement there's also a whole host of formal and informal work that

[3:40:47] Voice 9: has has occurred on the island already uh staff and some of the committee members have been

[3:40:51] Voice 9: have very gracious and have been directing to us to it as much as possible and as it comes in so

[3:40:58] Voice 9: that's that's been great and there's been a lot of also grassroots uh work done so we're we're

[3:41:03] Voice 9: reviewing all that and that is currently underway but the key deliverables that will come forward

[3:41:07] Voice 9: out of this work will be a summary report and a engagement summary report a technical review

[3:41:13] Voice 9: review a report and a policy gap analysis and those will come to you in October and November

[3:41:18] Voice 9: and that's really to kind of give us all a common language and a base level understanding of where

[3:41:23] Voice 9: the community is at where are some areas that we can spend a lot of our efforts to focus on the

[3:41:30] Voice 9: OCP and where we might and then we'll get what we're really trying to gather is a sense of policy

[3:41:35] Voice 9: policy direction. Phase two, which is shown on page 382 of your agenda package, involves taking

[3:41:43] Voice 9: what we've learned in that phase one. It involves drafting those core OCP elements in a draft

[3:41:48] Voice 9: modeling. We'll be doing spatial modeling. We'll be doing further studies on the OCP to really

[3:41:53] Voice 9: build this out and build out a potential policy framework and policy direction. This will include

[3:41:59] Voice 9: potential updates the development permit areas and also some draft elements of

[3:42:06] Voice 9: the OCP and this will come forward through the committee in December and

[3:42:11] Voice 9: into January phase 3 which begins in January of 2026 page 383 of your agenda

[3:42:17] Voice 9: outlines that really starts to transition us more into the crystallizing

[3:42:26] Voice 9: some of those elements in the OCP taking what we've learned through this first

[3:42:29] Voice 9: two phases and now now actually building OCP amendments that will be further engaged upon

[3:42:36] Voice 9: we'll we'll test them again against the community and then that's where we're starting to really see

[3:42:41] Voice 9: the the meat of the draft document. Also during that time we're taking some of those draft

[3:42:46] Voice 9: directions and opening up the the land use bylaw and how we might incorporate policy direction

[3:42:52] Voice 9: what we've heard from the community as it filters through policy direction into

[3:42:56] Voice 9: to changes to the regulations.

[3:42:59] Voice 9: Could be desires for more regulations in places,

[3:43:02] Voice 9: but also desires for tweaking

[3:43:03] Voice 9: or taking away regulations in places.

[3:43:05] Voice 9: So that will all come out through those first two phases

[3:43:08] Voice 9: and they'll begin to, we'll begin to do that,

[3:43:12] Voice 9: the work of drafting potential changes

[3:43:14] Voice 9: for the land use by-law in phase three.

[3:43:17] Voice 9: And then once we move into phase,

[3:43:19] Voice 9: our phase four is there's some overlap there,

[3:43:21] Voice 9: but that takes us into the remainder of the project.

[3:43:25] Voice 9: And that's where we're entering that more formalized process of introducing bylaws,

[3:43:30] Voice 9: hopefully with introductions of the land use bylaw in June and wrapping up the project

[3:43:35] Voice 9: in June to early July.

[3:43:37] Voice 9: I just want to note though that the timelines, the windows, they are ambitious, but at the

[3:43:43] Voice 9: same time we've tried to put in flexibility, knowing full well that things emerge and things

[3:43:49] Voice 9: happen, some of it through engagement and some of it through just how these project

[3:43:54] Voice 9: folds where we need to be nimble at times and a little bit adaptable to to incorporate new

[3:43:58] Voice 9: information incorporate new direction um as it as it comes forward so the plan is before you in

[3:44:05] Voice 9: your agenda package um i think really we've tried to outline key windows and likely what folks are

[3:44:12] Voice 9: interested in or seems to be always interested in some of the meat of the communications and

[3:44:16] Voice 9: engagements and i'm happy to answer any questions on the work plan now or turn it over to sandra

[3:44:21] Voice 9: to help highlight that second component.

[3:44:25] Voice 6: All right.

[3:44:26] Voice 6: Great.

[3:44:28] Voice 6: Yeah, any questions on the work plan?

[3:44:31] Voice 11: I will.

[3:44:33] Voice 11: Tyler, I don't know if you can hear me.

[3:44:35] Voice 11: I'll try to talk loud.

[3:44:36] Voice 11: Does that help?

[3:44:38] Voice 9: Good.

[3:44:39] Voice 9: That helps.

[3:44:42] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:44:43] Voice 6: First of all, thank you.

[3:44:45] Voice 6: I'm so glad to see you on the project, Sandra.

[3:44:50] Voice 6: And I did sit through the APC meeting in the background that day.

[3:44:58] Voice 6: And one encouragement, I know I've already shared my feedback with Chris and his staff,

[3:45:05] Voice 6: is that I

[3:45:09] Voice 11: noticed on Bowen

[3:45:09] Voice 6: Island that the steering committee is meeting every two weeks.

[3:45:12] Voice 6: And here we're trying to do it every month or even longer for the advisory planning committee.

[3:45:18] Voice 6: So I'd encourage you to help also give comments on how we manage that group.

[3:45:24] Voice 6: And the agenda packages need to be more thoughtful, like they are for BOA and the steering committee,

[3:45:30] Voice 6: where they're put forward with specific questions to help drive that group to focus on what's necessary and important.

[3:45:38] Voice 6: I mean, just a broad topic like work plan.

[3:45:41] Voice 6: You know, they didn't know where to start, so it wasn't helpful.

[3:45:45] Voice 6: So really want to make sure we're helping guide that group of volunteers to be best useful and that we, you know, drive them with very specific questions as to what we want feedback on so that they can be successful.

[3:46:01] Voice 6: The only question

[3:46:02] Voice 11: I have in the work plan is on page

[3:46:04] Voice 13: 382, the section 26, the key deliverables, the GIS modeling and land use analysis. Is

[3:46:12] Voice 11: this a new name for the suitable land analysis?

[3:46:17] Voice 6: I think there's a... Mr. Brown, respond to that.

[3:46:25] Voice 9: Yeah. First of all, I definitely concur with your comments around the committee.

[3:46:30] Voice 9: I think we learned a lot from that first meeting on how we can present our items,

[3:46:37] Voice 9: but also really seek their input in a really valuable way for these different products as we develop them and bring them forward.

[3:46:45] Voice 9: With respect to your question, I would say it's similar, but really what this GIS modeling land use analysis is, we've learned for some recent projects is different organizations tend to have a lot of data and a lot of existing maps.

[3:47:02] Voice 9: And what we can do is we can import that into a model where we're playing around with, you know, where's the population densities?

[3:47:11] Voice 9: How are they near amenities? Where has growth been directed in the past?

[3:47:17] Voice 9: And we can build that to see how successful it is. And then we can also use some of that to refine assumptions as we move forward.

[3:47:24] Voice 9: about if if we make a policy choice here will it result in in the desired impact uh in the ocp

[3:47:32] Voice 9: um it's been very it's useful in some of the jurisdictions we've worked in in particular

[3:47:38] Voice 9: around identifying potential housing sites that are also considering other goals around

[3:47:43] Voice 9: how close are they to proximity to amenities how close are they to say transit lines how

[3:47:48] Voice 9: close are they to ferry terminals and things like that so we can start to test some of our

[3:47:53] Voice 9: assumptions and policy directions against a real-world model of what has happened to date.

[3:48:00] Voice 11: Yeah because

[3:48:02] Voice 6: I know in our original

[3:48:03] Voice 11: work plan for the suitable land analysis

[3:48:05] Voice 6: that has been used a

[3:48:07] Voice 6: couple of other islands so we had some background noise to

[3:48:12] Voice 6: add to but that's okay he's got food in

[3:48:17] Voice 6: his hands and maybe he should come back um the some of the suitable land analysis it's being

[3:48:25] Voice 13: what we wanted to

[3:48:27] Voice 13: make sure was that the inputs that were being used are also you know the

[3:48:31] Voice 13: community's aware of

[3:48:32] Voice 6: the of the layers or the data that's in the system um so that we we understand

[3:48:40] Voice 6: what the what those parameters are and uh uh and in particular here on salt spring our challenge is

[3:48:48] Voice 6: is more the social aspects of it.

[3:48:51] Voice 6: A housing unit, we wanna make sure we're talking

[3:48:58] Voice 6: about the kind of housing that we need,

[3:49:00] Voice 6: not just more of what we already have or that makes sense.

[3:49:06] Voice 6: So there's a social element to this data

[3:49:09] Voice 6: that's going to be a bit more challenging here.

[3:49:12] Voice 6: And I think just making sure

[3:49:14] Voice 13: that people understand those data layers

[3:49:16] Voice 13: and that, you know, the community can see that.

[3:49:21] Voice 13: So if there's a layer missing, you know,

[3:49:23] Voice 13: if we're making decisions, but yet there's,

[3:49:25] Voice 11: you know,

[3:49:26] Voice 11: there's something missing from the data,

[3:49:28] Voice 11: then we need to just know that.

[3:49:29] Voice 11: So that's all.

[3:49:30] Voice 11: I guess

[3:49:31] Voice 6: it's transparency to the information

[3:49:35] Voice 6: that's in the model and the data that's in it

[3:49:38] Voice 6: so that the community just has some confidence

[3:49:41] Voice 6: and us as

[3:49:42] Voice 6: trustees have confidence

[3:49:43] Voice 6: that the questions we're posing to it

[3:49:49] Voice 6: have factored in you know what was what was factored in

[3:49:52] Voice 11: and what wasn't

[3:49:52] Voice 6: is equally important

[3:49:55] Voice 9: absolutely what we have tended to do and and obviously every circumstance has its own nuances

[3:50:02] Voice 9: but what we tend to do is it's not just we're producing a map and with some some colors on it

[3:50:06] Voice 9: and say okay this is what this is what the model tells us not at all we will include what the data

[3:50:11] Voice 9: that we have included and why and there's been a lot of cases where jurisdictions send us a lot

[3:50:17] Voice 9: of data and it's not useful in the sense of it's it's doesn't have the granularity that's needed

[3:50:25] Voice 9: to draw meaningful conclusions or it makes a whole series of assumptions so what we try to do is to

[3:50:32] Voice 9: sort of lay out the data that we used and the assumptions we've made with it and why and also

[3:50:37] Voice 9: So when we did have data sets, but we didn't use them, again, why didn't we use them?

[3:50:44] Voice 9: And we try to present that in a document.

[3:50:46] Voice 9: And sometimes, you know, we might have 20 layers.

[3:50:48] Voice 9: And as we go through the process, we find out, hey, there's only actually three factors

[3:50:52] Voice 9: that are really matter on this particular question.

[3:50:54] Voice 9: So we don't need to get overly complex.

[3:50:56] Voice 9: Other ones, we'll say we're missing some data and we'll try to present that as well.

[3:51:02] Voice 11: Thank you.

[3:51:03] Voice 7: Trustee Harris.

[3:51:04] Voice 7: Thank you.

[3:51:05] Voice 7: Some of the language in here is very alarming to me.

[3:51:08] Voice 7: last term I was just a you know citizen logger on the island and some you know pretty

[3:51:18] Voice 7: alarming things were happening then the island's trust I got involved and put together a really

[3:51:24] Voice 7: strongly worded petition where close to a thousand people signed it wanting to abolish the island's

[3:51:29] Voice 7: trust I'm pretty sure all of them would be opposed to any new development permit areas

[3:51:35] Voice 7: including a wildfire one to me it looks like a backdoor way of getting um you know some traction

[3:51:40] Voice 7: with the coastal douglas spur kind of deal um anyways um pretty alarming stuff in here to me

[3:51:47] Voice 7: i'll be sure to pass it on to people i know um thanks for your efforts yeah

[3:51:53] Voice 9: and i i would just

[3:51:54] Voice 9: add to that through the engagement we hope to hear from everybody that's how we shape the the

[3:51:58] Voice 9: ocp that's most reflective of the the values and the direction of the community so um all of that

[3:52:03] Voice 9: is valuable and appreciate those comments um

[3:52:11] Voice 6: thank you do you have a uh over to um

[3:52:16] Voice 6: yeah

[3:52:21] Voice 9: so i'll turn it over to sander here

[3:52:23] Voice 6: um so i think we're i think there's no more questions on

[3:52:27] Voice 6: the uh project plan thank you and then we'll just move on to the um the communication communication

[3:52:33] Voice 6: plan terrific

[3:52:37] Voice 1: well it's great to be here with you today uh thank you very much for having me

[3:52:42] Voice 1: I just want to say before I start that I am a closed captions user so if there's

[3:52:47] Voice 1: a little delay it's just because I'm waiting for closed captions to catch up

[3:52:51] Voice 1: and in some cases decipher what it thinks it's heard you say and try to

[3:52:56] Voice 1: figure out what's actually been said so I may ask for clarification as we go or

[3:53:01] Voice 1: Tyler might jump in and support there as he just did so thank you for that Tyler

[3:53:07] Voice 1: I'm coming to you today from the unceded territories of the Squamish

[3:53:11] Voice 1: Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh nations. I am sitting at our headquarters office in Vancouver,

[3:53:15] Voice 1: but I grew up on Vancouver Island and spent a ton of time in the Gulf Islands region.

[3:53:21] Voice 1: So I'm very familiar with what we're heading into and I just wanted to make a note before I start

[3:53:27] Voice 1: my overview of the communications and engagement plan that I am also on the Bowen Island OCP

[3:53:31] Voice 1: project. I have led the engagement process there and led a number of the workshops that we've done

[3:53:38] Voice 1: with this the committee there so definitely onboarding the comments heard and have a

[3:53:42] Voice 1: workshop coming up next week in person on Salt Spring with your steering committee and will

[3:53:47] Voice 1: certainly incorporate the feedback from today in the in the plan for that workshop so I hope

[3:53:54] Voice 1: there's some reassurance provided in there. I'd like to just go through some parts of the

[3:54:00] Voice 1: engagement plan I don't want to bog us down too much in getting into the philosophy or too deep

[3:54:05] Voice 1: deep into the details. I'd like to make sure we have time for questions and to go into conversation

[3:54:11] Voice 1: on the areas that are most important to you. But I will start with just a brief overview.

[3:54:17] Voice 1: You heard Tyler talk through different phases of the project and really the communications and

[3:54:22] Voice 1: engagement plan runs parallel to that to feed into the various stages where the team needs

[3:54:26] Voice 1: information. Our big focus right now, of course, oh, thank you. That's helpful. Whoever zoomed in

[3:54:32] Voice 1: in a camera there. Our big focus right now is phase one engagement. So this is early in the

[3:54:38] Voice 1: process and it is targeted community visioning. Really the goal here is to start grounding the

[3:54:45] Voice 1: project in hearing from the community, understanding general community sentiments, introducing the

[3:54:52] Voice 1: project to the community and starting to build a level of awareness as to what the project is,

[3:54:57] Voice 1: what it looks like, what the shape of it will be for Salt Spring Island community members.

[3:55:02] Voice 1: and really trying to encourage participation.

[3:55:06] Voice 1: We run an engagement program and we run a little bit of a marketing program at the same time.

[3:55:12] Voice 1: So we try to get lots of information into the community to help folks understand what it is that's happening

[3:55:19] Voice 1: and why their participation is valuable.

[3:55:24] Voice 1: This first phase of engagement, like I mentioned, it's really there to surface core values,

[3:55:29] Voice 1: use, share priorities, and identify really where the community is at. And the goal here is to hear

[3:55:36] Voice 1: from people across the community, community members from all different parts of Salt Spring,

[3:55:41] Voice 1: all different parts of the community. And so we look at this through a data lens. We also look

[3:55:46] Voice 1: at this through an equity lens and really do our best to make sure that we hear from various parts

[3:55:52] Voice 1: of the community. As the project moves forward, of course, we have phase two engagement that

[3:55:57] Voice 1: follows that spatial modeling analysis and the policy drafting that's much more specific

[3:56:02] Voice 1: engagement we go back to the public there with very targeted questions and and the public generally

[3:56:08] Voice 1: at that point has a level of understanding of what the project is what it looks like what it's

[3:56:12] Voice 1: intended to accomplish and then phase three of course follows once we start digging into that

[3:56:19] Voice 1: land use bylaw and so again very targeted questions with a slightly different perspective on that one

[3:56:24] Voice 1: but that happens quite a bit further into the process in 2026. There's a section in the

[3:56:32] Voice 1: communication and engagement plan that talks about key audiences and I just want to make a couple of

[3:56:38] Voice 1: notes here as we think this through. There has been a lot of engagement on Salt Spring in the

[3:56:44] Voice 1: past. You would have what I would view as a very engaged community, a community that is prepared

[3:56:50] Voice 1: to participate in process. And that's awesome. We really love that. And we try to build momentum

[3:56:56] Voice 1: with the folks that are engaged with the process to help bring others who maybe haven't engaged in

[3:57:02] Voice 1: the past into the fold. And as we go through, especially this first phase of engagement,

[3:57:08] Voice 1: really keep an eye on the data that's coming in to try to make sure that we are reaching

[3:57:11] Voice 1: as many different community members as possible and really see breadth to the voices and the

[3:57:17] Voice 1: the perspectives represented there. We've designed the activities that are part of the engagement

[3:57:22] Voice 1: program to do that. So lots of variety of activities, and that's really to target different

[3:57:29] Voice 1: parts of the community. Older, younger, renters, non-renters, people that are working, people that

[3:57:34] Voice 1: aren't working, members of underrepresented groups, folks who might work shift work, you know, really

[3:57:39] Voice 1: try to reach all parts of the community. In the communications and engagement plan, we have

[3:57:47] Voice 1: included a one-page community profile and that's really as a backstop for us as we're seeing

[3:57:54] Voice 1: data coming in on the survey we can actually check to see are we getting representation are we seeing

[3:58:02] Voice 1: folks from all parts of the community coming into this the survey the survey is generally our most

[3:58:08] Voice 1: popular and most um most utilized engagement activity so it's a great place for us to do

[3:58:15] Voice 1: that double check I'm going to jump forward now and talk about what we have specifically planned

[3:58:23] Voice 1: for phase one engagement because we are actually ready to kick this off so we have two components

[3:58:33] Voice 1: we have essentially like I mentioned what we call our marketing program it's how we announce to the

[3:58:38] Voice 1: community that this process is happening and the different ways that they can participate

[3:58:43] Voice 1: participate and all of those materials are ready to launch as quickly as possible so that's

[3:58:47] Voice 1: information on the project website we have mail outs we have press releases we have social media

[3:58:52] Voice 1: posts and content drafted to go out on the various social media channels we actually have tools for

[3:58:58] Voice 1: what we call community partner amplification and this includes yourselves if you're keen to help

[3:59:03] Voice 1: the community learn and understand that this process is happening what it what it means and

[3:59:08] Voice 1: why they should participate we have content for you that you can share so you don't have to

[3:59:12] Voice 1: to write that. And we encourage staff and community members, leaders within the community

[3:59:18] Voice 1: to share that as well. Really, again, helping to draw people into this process. We also have a

[3:59:24] Voice 1: series of posters that will go up around the community in person. And I will be there next

[3:59:28] Voice 1: week doing in-person engagement and get those posters out into the community. The actual

[3:59:34] Voice 1: engagement activities. So these are the activities that provide some sort of input that we will use

[3:59:39] Voice 1: in decision making. And as the process goes forward, include on this one, a survey that is

[3:59:45] Voice 1: available online through SurveyMonkey that is managed by our team and paper copies of the

[3:59:51] Voice 1: survey that are distributed throughout the community and available for folks who don't

[3:59:55] Voice 1: want to use an online survey. We have in-person engagement.

[4:00:00] Voice 1: ups happening at the Tuesday market. We have daytime pop ups happening at grocery stores and

[4:00:06] Voice 1: the rec center at the moment. And then we have what we've termed in the engagement plan as

[4:00:14] Voice 1: tailgate talks or micro pop ups. So this is where our team members will actually go out into the

[4:00:19] Voice 1: community and try to interact with some of the target audiences that we were guided to

[4:00:23] Voice 1: in early conversations with staff and committee and catch some of those folks. These are various

[4:00:29] Voice 1: sort of on the spot informal interactive sessions in high traffic locations such as hardware stores

[4:00:34] Voice 1: parts suppliers industrial areas transit nodes community fields I hear there's a big sports

[4:00:41] Voice 1: community on Salt Spring so we'll try to get there and and really somewhere that we can

[4:00:47] Voice 1: essentially just interact intercept the public for a brief conversation but gather some input

[4:00:52] Voice 1: in during that conversation and we will launch all of this next week we are over to Salt Spring

[4:00:59] Voice 1: on Monday afternoon. So that's phase one. As we look to phase two, we really onboard what we

[4:01:06] Voice 1: learned in phase one. So you'll see in the communications and engagement plan that phase

[4:01:11] Voice 1: two is not as tightly defined. And that's the flexibility that Tyler was mentioning. We really

[4:01:16] Voice 1: want to leave some room there so that we can take everything we've learned in phase one and

[4:01:20] Voice 1: incorporate it into phase two. We still do lots of the same marketing and awareness activities so

[4:01:24] Voice 1: that the community understands that the process is happening, where they can participate, why they

[4:01:28] Voice 1: they should participate. And then we go into our engagement activities survey. We'd have a really

[4:01:34] Voice 1: awesome kitchen table workbook activity that we send out through the community. We'll do some

[4:01:39] Voice 1: interactive displays in community at the rec center where there's, you know, folks can scan

[4:01:46] Voice 1: QR codes and leave their feedback rate actually on those giant wall posters. Again, we'll do those

[4:01:53] Voice 1: tail tailgate talks and micro pop-ups and then phase two also includes a community open house

[4:01:59] Voice 1: information session going ahead to phase three we see the same marketing program again and then a

[4:02:06] Voice 1: couple of activities including hopefully an island-wide podcast the in-community interactive

[4:02:15] Voice 1: poster series an inclusive jane's walk and a digital story submission series and then micro

[4:02:22] Voice 1: pop-ups as needed again we take what we've learned in phase one and two and apply it to phase three

[4:02:26] Voice 1: so we'll we'll define those details and further refine our plans for those activities as we go

[4:02:32] Voice 1: through the project so i think um the last thing that i'd like to talk about is what our reporting

[4:02:38] Voice 1: looks like and how we monitor the process um as we go so monitoring the process like i mentioned we

[4:02:46] Voice 1: keep an eye on what's coming in through survey monkey we do little evaluations as we finish these

[4:02:52] Voice 1: micro pop-ups and these in-person engagement activities and we keep in touch with staff and

[4:02:56] Voice 1: volunteers on the project we have some tools that we give to them if they are going to do additional

[4:03:00] Voice 1: engagement activities which most municipalities and um and folks do we find uh we have a way to

[4:03:06] Voice 1: capture the feedback that they're actually that the public is sharing with them in these activities

[4:03:11] Voice 1: um and we keep an eye on that as we go through the process and we're looking at both at numbers

[4:03:16] Voice 1: making sure that we're getting enough data we're also looking to make sure we're getting data from

[4:03:21] Voice 1: across the community. When it comes to reporting, and I think this might sort of speak to some of

[4:03:29] Voice 1: the feedback and comments that we've heard today, our engagement reporting is fairly comprehensive,

[4:03:35] Voice 1: and I think that's a really important note for Salt Spring. You do have a highly engaged community

[4:03:39] Voice 1: here who are familiar with process. They have expectations around what engagement should look

[4:03:44] Voice 1: like and how engagement should inform a process. So I think you'll find from our reporting that

[4:03:49] Voice 1: that we give a fairly comprehensive overview but also don't gloss over the nuance the details the

[4:03:56] Voice 1: context that we learn about especially in phase one we we really try to include a lot of information

[4:04:04] Voice 1: in our what we heard reporting it is not just a high level summary and and that supports not only

[4:04:09] Voice 1: the project team going forward but it also helps to communicate to the public the value of what was

[4:04:14] Voice 1: done why it's been done and what we really learned from from that engagement so i think i'll stop

[4:04:18] Voice 1: out there like tyler said i'm very passionate and i could talk about this forever um so i'll pause

[4:04:23] Voice 1: and yeah hear questions i'd love to answer any questions you might have hey

[4:04:28] Voice 6: christine's questions

[4:04:30] Voice 6: judge patrick sandra i thank you um for hearing us i'm i'm pleased to see you have been following

[4:04:39] Voice 6: the bowen bowen work it's huge thumbs up um

[4:04:45] Voice 11: i think what's important at the advisory planning

[4:04:51] Voice 11: commission meeting one of the members asked you why not do town halls and your answer was great

[4:04:59] Voice 6: and I'm going to ask you again today to say why why we don't do town halls if you could repeat

[4:05:05] Voice 6: your answer I

[4:05:08] Voice 1: don't know if I can repeat it verbatim but town halls are one method that we

[4:05:12] Voice 1: can use to hear from the public but we do find that they're not the the most equity supporting

[4:05:18] Voice 1: method. They can become a very intimidating environment for community members. And it's

[4:05:23] Voice 1: really tough to manage, to make sure that all voices are heard in that format. So we have other

[4:05:29] Voice 1: activities that we find are stronger when it comes to being able to make sure that we can hear and

[4:05:34] Voice 1: listen to all voices and take some of the risk out of the engagement process for the community

[4:05:41] Voice 1: and for individual community members. And town halls are something that I think we've done a

[4:05:47] Voice 1: lot of in the past and we're just simply moving away from we have more activities and more options

[4:05:52] Voice 1: now in front of us that again help us to really maintain that equity in the process yeah

[4:05:57] Voice 11: and

[4:05:58] Voice 8: thank you because

[4:06:00] Voice 8: you'll you'll read in some of our local

[4:06:03] Voice 6: correspondence now that they're saying

[4:06:05] Voice 6: because we're not holding town halls we're you know meeting in secret again or making decisions

[4:06:10] Voice 6: and it's it's silly because that's not what we're asking we're asking to use modern techniques that

[4:06:17] Voice 6: we can get out and get the diversity of salt spring that we're going to be celebrating this

[4:06:22] Voice 6: weekend at pride um and i and i and i thank you for that and i guess related to that is there is

[4:06:30] Voice 6: an active campaign of an organization on salt spring now against this project

[4:06:35] Voice 6: um what are we doing

[4:06:37] Voice 11: to counter that okay

[4:06:43] Voice 6: overall it takes a funded project and a contract she said i'm not really too sure if i can change

[4:06:48] Voice 6: that um if it's in terms of how the direction of the project um i don't think there's really any

[4:06:55] Voice 6: i can't imagine as much will to not hear that we have to take that input

[4:07:02] Voice 6: correct but i take it our

[4:07:04] Voice 6: communications that we're putting out next week will

[4:07:07] Voice 6: be sort of our announcements but i think tyler's got his increase so do i yes

[4:07:12] Voice 6: Yes, go ahead, Tyler.

[4:07:18] Voice 9: Yeah, you know, I would just say this type of thing can be very common with projects like this.

[4:07:27] Voice 9: You know, part of the information, the marketing campaign, I think Sandra was referencing,

[4:07:34] Voice 9: and the importance of that is really to, like, drive the engagement.

[4:07:38] Voice 9: Even if people are 100% against this project or 100% against the OCP,

[4:07:42] Voice 9: or I would even say 100% against the Islands Trust,

[4:07:46] Voice 9: that is very valuable feedback for developing policy direction

[4:07:51] Voice 9: and ultimately for us getting that information for Trust Council

[4:07:54] Voice 9: to make decisions upon.

[4:07:57] Voice 9: So if we don't have that or if it's happening in another place,

[4:08:01] Voice 9: that can just be angst expressed without any way to go to decision makers.

[4:08:06] Voice 9: So I think our messaging is just really to encourage people

[4:08:09] Voice 9: to submit that in the formal way.

[4:08:11] Voice 9: uh if there's ways that are identified from those groups or from those individuals that we could

[4:08:15] Voice 9: improve it we will present it to trust council um where we where we might find some improvement

[4:08:20] Voice 9: and engage in a better way so it's it's a problem um and i understand people people have feelings

[4:08:27] Voice 9: towards things and they want those feelings to be heard uh so we just try to drive a really

[4:08:32] Voice 9: inclusive and welcoming project because we actually do want that direction and we do want

[4:08:36] Voice 9: that feedback because that's that's how we can make the best product for you folks and ultimately

[4:08:40] Voice 9: and ultimately empower you to make the best decisions

[4:08:42] Voice 9: for Salt Spring as a whole.

[4:08:44] Voice 6: Thank you.

[4:08:47] Voice 7: Chair Peterson, thank you.

[4:08:49] Voice 7: And I realize you're the chair

[4:08:50] Voice 7: and you're the one who should be picking

[4:08:51] Voice 7: whose hand you're going to talk to.

[4:08:53] Cause I sure

[4:08:54] Voice 7: don't seem to have that authority as a trustee.

[4:08:59] Voice 7: I really have a problem with town halls being excluded.

[4:09:04] Voice 7: And I really don't understand my fellow trustees point there

[4:09:08] Voice 7: other than that you're going to miss

[4:09:09] Voice 7: a whole cross section of people.

[4:09:11] Voice 7: When I hear that somebody's going to feel unsafe or something like that, like, or there's a risk, like, that blows my mind.

[4:09:18] Voice 7: I can see if you want to have alternate ways of public engagement, great, but don't dismiss town halls because there's, again, there's a whole cross-section of people that aren't going to be involved in some kitchen table thing or you're not going to find them out in the community.

[4:09:33] Voice 7: community. But they'll come to a town hall and just because they may have strong words

[4:09:38] Voice 7: or are passionate about it or don't want to have DPAs, those are the types that are going

[4:09:42] Voice 7: to come to the town halls. For them to be dismissed is wrong, in my view.

[4:09:56] Voice 16: Do you want to continue their presentation in the next phase, or?

[4:10:02] Voice 16: Well, I'm concerned that we're not going to have any town

[4:10:03] Voice 7: halls. And who's making

[4:10:07] Voice 7: the decision here? Has there been a decision by the LTC or just by one of the trustees?

[4:10:17] Voice 11: ultimately there will be public

[4:10:18] Voice 6: hearings which that is a town hall so to speak it is a format

[4:10:26] Voice 6: where those will those things will be heard but i see our consultant uh

[4:10:31] Voice 16: tyler

[4:10:32] Voice 6: uh

[4:10:34] Voice 9: through you chair

[4:10:36] Voice 9: and uh uh the trustee just just raised that uh raised the thing i wanted to do highlight there

[4:10:41] Voice 9: absolutely will be a public hearing for the ocp and philandus bylaw that will be the opportunity

[4:10:46] Voice 9: where your body can hear directly from folks

[4:10:50] Voice 9: at the end of the process.

[4:10:52] Voice 9: And I just wanna reiterate,

[4:10:54] Voice 9: what is before you is really that phase one visioning.

[4:10:58] Voice 9: As we go through this process,

[4:11:00] Voice 9: it's for your endorsement.

[4:11:01] Voice 9: We're merely making recommendations

[4:11:05] Voice 9: and Sandra's on her experience, wealth of experience,

[4:11:07] Voice 9: we're making a recommendation.

[4:11:09] Voice 9: As we go through this process,

[4:11:10] Voice 9: if a trustees or even if we're hearing

[4:11:13] Voice 9: through the engagement,

[4:11:15] Voice 9: it becomes a thing where people really want town halls we'll absolutely present that for you and

[4:11:19] Voice 9: that may be a decision point down the line with some of those other phases that you may want to

[4:11:23] Voice 9: consider but this is the the plan before you is for your endorsement um ultimately though uh if

[4:11:30] Voice 9: trust uh if if trustees if you want to go a different uh different direction we'll of course

[4:11:36] Voice 9: incorporate it and have to get that feedback to you with respect to scope and budget but other

[4:11:40] Voice 9: Other than that, this process is ultimately in support of your process

[4:11:44] Voice 9: and how we might support your project the best.

[4:11:48] Voice 7: Thank you for that, Trustee Harris.

[4:11:50] Voice 7: Thank you.

[4:11:52] Voice 7: Again, I'm not in support of no town halls for the first portion of this public engagement

[4:11:57] Voice 7: because the whole first portion of public engagement will not have that cross-section of voices being heard.

[4:12:05] Voice 7: I've heard that we want to have all voices heard.

[4:12:08] Voice 7: Well, the Tuesday market is going to cut out a whole lot of people that are going to have a completely different view than the people that are at the Tuesday market.

[4:12:14] Voice 7: Same with during the day at the grocery store.

[4:12:18] Voice 7: You know, and I don't really know where a pop-up public engagement is going to be.

[4:12:27] Voice 7: It's going to find those folks.

[4:12:28] Voice 7: I'd love to hear more about where are these pop-ups going to be?

[4:12:31] Voice 7: Is it going to be an empty bakery between four or five o'clock on a Tuesday to Friday

[4:12:37] Voice 7: to hear what the people sitting in the picnic tables in the smoking area and not smoking

[4:12:42] Voice 7: area?

[4:12:42] Voice 7: Is that going to be there?

[4:12:44] Voice 7: Is it going to be on job sites?

[4:12:46] Voice 7: Like, where will the pop-up public engagement be?

[4:12:59] Voice 16: Do you have any thoughts on that question?

[4:13:06] Voice 1: I can speak to that through the chair.

[4:13:09] Voice 1: And sorry, I'm just catching up with the closed captions here.

[4:13:13] Voice 1: Um, yes. So, uh, there's a couple of notes in, in there. The farmer's market is on Tuesday

[4:13:20] Voice 1: afternoon on Tuesday morning, um, starting at about 6.00 AM. I will be headed out exactly,

[4:13:27] Voice 1: um, looking for job sites, um, places where I can interact with folks who are

[4:13:33] Voice 1: maybe heading to work or stopping at convenience stores early in the morning before they go to

[4:13:38] Voice 1: to work, somewhere where we're capturing folks who are moving through the community at a different

[4:13:43] Voice 1: time of day, specifically with that goal in mind of capturing, you know, everyone at different

[4:13:48] Voice 1: movements on the island. This engagement process really has been designed to try to ensure that

[4:13:56] Voice 1: all voices are heard, and that includes all hours of the day in different kinds of locations. It's

[4:14:00] Voice 1: actually why we've chosen micro pop-ups. It's really tough sometimes for folks to get to in-person

[4:14:06] Voice 1: and events that are that are longer especially if they're working or they're they're potentially

[4:14:10] Voice 1: working two jobs or they're caregivers so in addition to those what we've called tailgate

[4:14:16] Voice 1: pop-ups in the communications and engagement plan we also have the grocery store pop-ups

[4:14:21] Voice 1: happening on Tuesday and Wednesday of next week and then I have the farmer's market and then

[4:14:28] Voice 1: possibly the recreation center and if not the recreation center then we'll go back to another

[4:14:32] Voice 1: public space on Wednesday afternoon. The information to the public will go out actually

[4:14:38] Voice 1: as soon as possible. So if we have the thumbs up from this meeting, we are ready to launch.

[4:14:45] Voice 1: Everything is actually loaded into the system, ready to hit go. And so we have that information

[4:14:50] Voice 1: going out to the public and amplified through those online communication channels and through

[4:14:56] Voice 1: community partners and folks in the community who are going to help to get the word out.

[4:14:59] Voice 1: And this is just the beginning. We really will keep an eye on numbers. So as data starts to come in, if we're seeing that we're not hearing from a particular community group that we expect to, or part of the community that we hoped to, we'll have to look at that. And like Tyler mentioned, we can adjust process. That's really why we try to do early engagement in person to build that momentum and see if we need to add later on in the engagement process.

[4:15:28] Voice 1: the engagement process here is is quite a number of weeks long we actually go right to the third

[4:15:32] Voice 1: week of october so we have time if we find that we're not hearing from parts of the community

[4:15:45] Voice 6: trustee is anything further questions or comments at this point

[4:15:49] Voice 6: at this point thank you

[4:15:55] Voice 6: okay i'm consulting on local trust committee endorse the proposed work plan and engagement

[4:16:05] Voice 7: I'll be opposed to this. From what I've heard and thank you for your efforts that you guys have put in.

[4:16:13] Voice 7: From what I've heard, I really don't feel confident in the public engagement process and its ability to reach all the people of Salt Spring Island and get a true reading on what people would like.

[4:16:25] And also,

[4:16:26] Voice 6: I'm opposed to the OCP

[4:16:29] Voice 7: in general, as

[4:16:31] Voice 6: you all have heard many times through meetings

[4:16:34] Voice 6: over the last 30 years.

[4:16:36] Voice 6: For that reason, I'm opposed.

[4:16:39] Okay.

[4:16:41] Voice 6: Anything further?

[4:16:42] Voice 6: Well, I would encourage Trustee Harris, people that you feel that are being excluded, to

[4:16:48] Voice 6: identify how we can.

[4:16:49] Voice 6: If a town hall is the only way they're going to come out, then please let us know how we

[4:16:56] Voice 6: we can engage with as broad a spectrum as the island is possible. That is the intent.

[4:17:06] Voice 6: Any further discussion? I don't see any. I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[4:17:12] Voice 6: Any opposed?

[4:17:15] Thank you.

[4:17:16] Okay.

[4:17:18] Voice 16: And the motion carries. Moving us along then. Are

[4:17:25] Voice 16: we concluded on this item?

[4:17:28] Voice 16: Thank you.

[4:17:28] Voice 16: Thank you, Tyler. And thank you, Sandra.

[4:17:31] Voice 9: have a good rest of your meeting it's a long day for you so thank you for your time

[4:17:34] Voice 9: okay

[4:17:35] Voice 16: so great uh so on page eight of the addendum we have the uh spluv business case

[4:17:49] Voice 6: recommendation there and so staff there's anything um you'd like to highlight at this point

[4:17:58] Voice 6: uh no nothing in the in the applications report um no nothing in the policy standard

[4:18:07] Voice 6: so um business case oh my apologies oh the osplab put this so no it's it's actually surprising uh i

[4:18:15] did check in with with tyler just to check that this this work plan sort of um we were wondering

[4:18:22] what it was going to look like in a future year

[4:18:23] Voice 6: it's very similar i mean i think independent

[4:18:26] Voice 6: It's very similar to last year's, as well.

[4:18:32] Voice 6: They're asking us to put $49,000 carry forward for the budget

[4:18:37] Voice 6: into next year, just with the recognition

[4:18:39] Voice 6: that our timeline .

[4:18:45] Voice 6: But all in all, we've gotten to the first step

[4:18:49] Voice 6: without any unanticipated delays.

[4:18:52] Voice 6: We're definitely catching our timing now.

[4:18:59] Voice 6: The only thing that I would point out

[4:19:01] Voice 6: out as I did indicate in that report that this at this table the question of First Nations funding

[4:19:07] Voice 6: has been asked about I remain unclear on what is available beyond the $26,000 budget allocated

[4:19:16] Voice 6: to First Nations and I indicated that the response so far from the issues were positive

[4:19:24] Voice 6: or other unanswered questions. So our primary approach to date has been a letter

[4:19:30] said that in april we've followed up monthly since then um what we've gotten in terms of

[4:19:35] the response has primarily been we look forward to working with you um and we acknowledge the

[4:19:40] receipts

[4:19:40] Voice 6: we offer twenty six thousand dollars in capacity funding um either for an individual

[4:19:46] Voice 6: nation or for uh another assembly of nations such as uh you know for example but not specifically

[4:19:58] Voice 6: So there seems to be, while that's not really a good indicator of budget, it does indicate

[4:20:04] that

[4:20:04] Voice 6: they see that as being, you know, or a passive funding agreement for a much smaller

[4:20:12] Voice 6: group than the whole 13 nations that we had intended that for.

[4:20:17] Voice 6: And it gives us a bit of an indicator of what to thought.

[4:20:20] Voice 6: So that's what I need for a budget.

[4:20:27] Voice 6: uh so far so they'll get somewhere and i i know that it is sort of a financial risk that's hard

[4:20:42] Voice 6: to manage um it has all their other scheduling you know i'm kind of throwing a big messy ball

[4:20:54] Voice 6: of wax to deal with here um and trying to figure out what to do with it uh but that's i think it's

[4:21:00] just it's noted in this case, at some point, because we're going to change the path. Right?

[4:21:14] Voice 12: Just about

[4:21:15] Voice 12: we

[4:21:16] Voice 6: were advised it's an order of magnitude too low. But that's a zero added to the after the

[4:21:22] Voice 6: six. Um, I am concerned, and I think as an organization, we've got to figure this out. This

[4:21:38] Voice 6: we've got to make sure we've got the capacity funding that's needed to have conversations with

[4:21:46] Voice 6: with the nations that have interest here and want to engage with us and if capacity funding

[4:21:54] Voice 6: makes that difference then we've got to sort it out so i think this is a conversation we can

[4:22:03] Voice 6: proceed with this number for now i'm not happy that you know it's a zero dollar request

[4:22:10] Voice 6: really next year or an unknown request um we've got to we've got to figure that out and figure it

[4:22:17] Voice 6: out before december when the budget is assembled so we've got a short window um to do that yeah

[4:22:29] Voice 16: similar concerns uh reading through this and um looking

[4:22:34] Voice 6: at the ocp projects on uh

[4:22:38] Voice 6: considerably smaller islands and the funding requests that they are looking at

[4:22:47] Voice 6: um from that perspective alone uh let alone the question of the order of magnitude but just

[4:22:56] Voice 6: considering what what some of the other projects are looking at for for funding and the sheer size

[4:23:02] Voice 6: of this project. I also have concerns that 26,000 is low, very low, perhaps even. I agree

[4:23:16] Voice 6: it's hard to

[4:23:18] Voice 16: invent

[4:23:20] Voice 6: numbers without some back and forth. And so we're in a position that's

[4:23:32] Voice 6: less than ideal i would say uh on on trying to figure out um i think i think it's fair to say

[4:23:41] Voice 6: that we have general agreement that the numbers is low right now but what it should be and what

[4:23:48] Voice 6: um and what might actually fly as a in a business case uh i think are a little intangible at this

[4:23:58] Voice 6: this moment from my perspective um and i guess the question uh

[4:24:05] Voice 16: is what is the likelihood that

[4:24:10] Voice 16: we're going to have a clearer um picture of what uh what nations um might be requesting or

[4:24:24] anticipating or you know

[4:24:25] Voice 16: before december um eventually we're going to get so late in the

[4:24:31] Voice 16: budget cycle

[4:24:32] Voice 6: that uh that adding number and

[4:24:37] Voice 16: adding to the

[4:24:37] Voice 6: amount is going to be very um

[4:24:42] Voice 16: it's going to be difficult

[4:24:43] Voice 6: it's going to be

[4:24:43] Voice 16: more difficult you can

[4:24:45] Voice 6: kind of say

[4:24:47] Voice 6: um i'm not quite sure what to do about it at this at this stage as well i think we're all

[4:24:53] Voice 6: sort of there with the the ball of wax that you

[4:24:56] Voice 16: uh hurled as you just choose your metaphor but um

[4:25:02] Voice 16: yeah that was the one when i was reading the report that stuck

[4:25:05] Voice 6: out to me as as uh

[4:25:08] Voice 6: difficult problems to grapple with that just Patrick well it frustrates me as we set out from

[4:25:14] Voice 6: the beginning to try to make we i mean we really wanted to do meaningful engagement we asked that

[4:25:20] Voice 6: resources be dedicated to you know bringing in the help if salt spring our organizational structure

[4:25:27] Voice 6: structure isn't where it needs to be to support our commitments to reconciliation we know that

[4:25:35] Voice 6: and on salt spreading we try to dedicate resources rather than get our own resources

[4:25:40] Voice 6: and we still haven't and so um i think we could either pass an additional resolution asking that

[4:25:48] Voice 6: we figure this out because this is i i'm frustrated that we're again um not where we

[4:26:00] Voice 6: want to be and the and the money's not there so what to do yeah

[4:26:09] Voice 16: i've just had one further

[4:26:11] Voice 16: observation is that on the table on page 11 um under the item early and ongoing consultation

[4:26:19] Voice 16: with nations,

[4:26:21] Voice 6: you see just no figure in the 26-27 page.

[4:26:32] Voice 6: Just from a visual point of view, it doesn't

[4:26:37] Voice 16: look like the

[4:26:40] Voice 16: ongoing part is being covered.

[4:26:42] Voice 16: Yeah. So, you know, where we park, which

[4:26:49] Voice 6: numbers in which columns, you know, anyway.

[4:27:15] Voice 6: uh first nations can we get before um so we're into um you know i i guess my concern is that

[4:27:27] Voice 6: um you know the the fiscal year is uh that's that's actually pretty early in the year

[4:27:38] Voice 6: so

[4:27:39] Voice 16: yeah uh whatever the figure uh the total figure

[4:27:43] Voice 6: is i i i think it would be prudent to consider that

[4:27:49] Voice 6: some may need to be you know when we have draft bylaws i i feel it would be important to have

[4:27:57] Voice 6: um some resources available for further the ongoing part of the consultation yeah there so

[4:28:05] Voice 6: you can have more pointing out problems than proposing solutions and you know sorry for that

[4:28:13] Voice 6: Yeah, but the phase four of the OCP and the bylaw adoption process, that's really where we get into first reading.

[4:28:25] Voice 6: We have to adopt a bylaw, or we have to read a bylaw and then refer it,

[4:28:31] Voice 6: refer something that's been considered a complete package by itself,

[4:28:48] Voice 6: that's typically where you're you know it's true that we do need some funding in that period

[4:28:54] Voice 6: um as we typically say read this entire pp

[4:28:58] Voice 6: uh and typically that's where traditionally casting funding and you know the the next

[4:29:06] Voice 6: The next generation of that, that's sort of an evolution right now of the trust, is going to come, in other cases, a staff resource at that institution where they're looking for quite often, whether it's a loan that gets dispensed, if there's, you know, the trend lately has been one of the ones that sounds different from the other side.

[4:29:29] Voice 6: So whether it's access to funding now, we carry the burden of issues on the amount of funding for all three.

[4:29:47] Voice 6: Laura, and then...

[4:29:48] Voice 6: Well, I have an idea. One is that for now, we amend this and put 26,000 in that line item, knowing that there could be some carryover.

[4:30:00] Voice 6: or not, and that we created an additional resolution to direct staff to continue to work on refining

[4:30:08] a budget for First Nations consultation for the

[4:30:14] Voice 6: next fiscal year.

[4:30:15] Voice 6: So it allows us to correct for, you know, downward is always the best direction in the budget process,

[4:30:23] Voice 6: Yeah, and it gives buys us some time to sort of find that potential down where we're operating, depending on because it's refined the

[4:30:36] Voice 6: budget and try to get some accuracy to it as we continue on the budget process, something like that. Would that work?

[4:30:45] Voice 6: yeah i mean we can we can continue to target that i think it's if if i have a resolution from lpc

[4:30:52] Voice 6: say find out what the first nation is looking for in terms of funding i can we can take that letter

[4:31:00] Voice 6: forward and i mean i think it's something that i'd have to consult with mr elliott on um and

[4:31:05] Voice 6: and we're that you know cultural sense of the way and i'd be quite honest but it's it really

[4:31:14] is the hard question we need to ask in order to

[4:31:17] Voice 6: do this in the right way okay yeah trustee harris

[4:31:22] Voice 7: thank you yeah this conversation just kind of leads me into this you know circle of thinking

[4:31:28] Voice 7: that keeps some keeps going through my mind um you know imagine what the salt spring island

[4:31:34] Voice 7: community could do and what initiatives it could be um supportive if we had full access

[4:31:41] Voice 7: to the three plus million dollars

[4:31:44] that the tax base contributes

[4:31:46] to the Adventist Trust organization.

[4:31:49] It's why people aren't more up in arms

[4:31:52] about

[4:31:53] Voice 6: what's happening.

[4:31:54] I really will never understand it

[4:31:57] because we have, again,

[4:31:59] Voice 7: three plus million dollars here

[4:32:01] Voice 7: and it's going up.

[4:32:03] Voice 7: We see a fraction of it.

[4:32:06] Voice 6: It was a different structure.

[4:32:08] Voice 6: We would see all of it

[4:32:09] Voice 6: and we could do so many great things

[4:32:11] Voice 6: for the community and surrounding first nations okay so um i'll make a stab that i'm i'm the

[4:32:26] Voice 6: salt spring island local trust committee amended business case

[4:32:29] Voice 6: the business case for the salt spring um

[4:32:40] Voice 6: the business case for the major amendment to the Salt Spring OCP and Salt Spring LUB

[4:32:47] Voice 6: business case by adding our 26,000 for early and ongoing consultations with 13 First Nations

[4:33:02] Voice 6: in fiscal year 26, 27.

[4:33:08] Voice 6: And I'll second that.

[4:33:12] Voice 6: Should I speak any further to the motion?

[4:33:16] Voice 6: In a moment, I'll make another motion

[4:33:18] Voice 6: asking that we work on refining that budget.

[4:33:21] Voice 6: So this is just a step.

[4:33:24] Voice 6: Okay.

[4:33:27] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[4:33:30] Voice 6: I'll call the question.

[4:33:31] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[4:33:33] Voice 6: Opposed?

[4:33:34] Voice 6: Motion carries.

[4:33:37] Voice 6: So I think we need a second resolution,

[4:33:39] Voice 6: And I'm just going to work on the wording there, Lisa, that I guess the Salt Spring Trust Committee requests staff to

[4:33:51] Voice 11: refine, I guess, the 26, 27 fiscal budget for ongoing consultation with First Nations for

[4:34:14] Voice 6: this project, for the major amendments to the Salt Spring OCP land use bylaw.

[4:34:22] Voice 6: We need a timeline on it, I guess.

[4:34:27] Voice 6: I would also just add that it should be for .

[4:34:39] Voice 6: Are you looking for me to come up with a, you know, look at other budgets

[4:34:49] Voice 6: and give me a number, like, that I think is the appropriate number?

[4:35:00] Voice 6: This LDC really wants to know what you want, and they want you to provide input.

[4:35:08] Voice 6: and that's that that's sort of say my my direction is when we ask you what is it

[4:35:16] Voice 6: well i want to give you the latitude to do what whatever needs to be done after

[4:35:23] Voice 6: consulting with our with our staff and um but i i don't want to end up we don't want to end up

[4:35:34] Voice 6: next year with well if we

[4:35:35] Voice 6: have just had more money for capacity

[4:35:37] Voice 6: funding we could have had a response

[4:35:39] Voice 6: so

[4:35:41] Voice 12: we

[4:35:41] Voice 6: need to do enough work

[4:35:43] Voice 6: to have some confidence

[4:35:46] Voice 6: the budget will never be

[4:35:48] Voice 6: enough but

[4:35:50] Voice 6: if it's at least

[4:35:53] Voice 6: been contemplated

[4:35:55] Voice 6: the conversations have been held so

[4:35:58] Voice 6: if the

[4:35:59] Voice 6: number comes back and it is $260,000

[4:36:02] Voice 6: we need

[4:36:03] Voice 6: to know that that's a different problem um that's a different conversation um but if it's 40 um

[4:36:14] you know then then it's something that's

[4:36:16] Voice 6: attainable or realistic for our budget planning

[4:36:21] Voice 6: that we're in right now so i'd rather know we've done a little bit more work in this it's

[4:36:28] Voice 6: unfortunate that we're doing it now not earlier when i thought we should have been so um

[4:36:36] Voice 6: we have to be the island that has this conversation to sort this out then so be it yeah

[4:36:43] Voice 12: so um yeah

[4:36:56] Voice 6: all right so that's to refine the budget to meet the sufficient meet the needs

[4:37:09] Voice 6: sufficient to find the budget

[4:37:14] Voice 6: to be sufficient to meet the needs of the First Nations?

[4:37:25] Voice 6: Well, I can't define it. I can't do the finding for you.

[4:37:29] Voice 6: Well, refine. I said refine. It was refine. Lisa, I don't know if you're able to read back what

[4:37:37] Voice 6: you've got and see if we can make it make sense.

[4:37:41] Voice 8: Certainly, Trustee Patrick, I have a couple

[4:37:43] Voice 8: things but the most recent is that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to

[4:37:49] Voice 8: refine the 2026-27 fiscal budget to be sufficient to meet the needs of first nations consultation

[4:38:03] Voice 8: i

[4:38:07] Voice 11: guess it's the capacity funding needs i

[4:38:11] Voice 6: would i would just say that the engagement needs

[4:38:14] Voice 6: It's something that I think we're engaged on.

[4:38:19] Voice 6: Yeah.

[4:38:21] Voice 6: So just the engagement needs.

[4:38:24] Voice 6: If that meets your needs, then I make that motion.

[4:38:29] Voice 6: Should it be for the OCP LUV project?

[4:38:33] Voice 6: Absolutely.

[4:38:33] Voice 6: Yeah.

[4:38:36] Voice 8: I'll just read that back at this point.

[4:38:38] Voice 8: I've got that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:38:41] Voice 8: requests staff to refine the 2026-27 fiscal budget

[4:38:45] Voice 8: to be sufficient to meet the engagement needs

[4:38:48] Voice 8: of First Nations for the major amendments

[4:38:50] Voice 8: to Salt Spring Official Community Plan

[4:38:52] Voice 8: and Land Use By-law Project.

[4:38:55] Voice 6: Yes, I make that motion.

[4:38:57] Voice 6: Fantastic.

[4:38:59] Voice 6: You're a miracle, Margarita.

[4:39:01] Voice 6: I'll second the motion.

[4:39:03] Voice 6: Further discussion?

[4:39:06] Voice 6: I'll just speak in advance.

[4:39:08] Voice 6: I'm gonna be opposed.

[4:39:11] Voice 6: To me, this is just feeding into the dysfunction

[4:39:15] Voice 6: of this beast and I've got to be really careful of what I am what I'm in favor of what I'm opposed

[4:39:22] Voice 6: to what's in the category of opposition from okay anything further seeing any other question

[4:39:33] Voice 6: all those in favor any opposed and the motion carries well I

[4:39:40] Voice 6: move

[4:39:41] Voice 11: that the Salisbury Island

[4:39:42] Voice 6: local trust committee approved the attached major projects business case for the OCP land use

[4:39:49] Voice 6: project as amended for submission to the regional planning regional planning committee oh i guess

[4:39:56] Voice 6: and i guess they're okay to the regional planning committee and the financial planning committee for

[4:40:02] Voice 6: fiscal 26 27 budget year i'll second the motion any further discussion trustee harris again i'll

[4:40:11] Voice 6: be opposed i feel there's we could have been doing so much some more greater things with our time

[4:40:19] Voice 6: of resources so with that i'm opposed to this any further discussion all the question all those in

[4:40:29] Voice 6: favor any opposed and the motion carries okay

[4:40:35] Voice 16: so if there's nothing further on this item

[4:40:40] Voice 16: then let us go

[4:40:42] Voice 6: to a new business at 16.1 um just the parents requested to add a

[4:40:52] Voice 6: discussion on bylaw 534 and development permits yes thank you over to you sir um yeah we ran into

[4:41:02] Voice 6: some issues um with uh bylaw 534 with this recent uh one of the recent things you've had in front

[4:41:10] Voice 6: of us here uh narrowed west um if i'm not mistaken is bylaw 534 something passed earlier this term

[4:41:25] Voice 6: I'm pretty sure I was opposed to it. I know there was some talk about it possibly supposed to make things better and quicker and easier.

[4:41:35] Voice 6: I know I was reluctant. I can't remember if I voted for it or against it. I'm assuming I voted against it.

[4:41:42] Voice 6: At

[4:41:43] Voice 7: this time, I would really love to have some sort of a motion considered that would take a lot of this stuff out of the hands of staff

[4:41:55] and put back on the LTC's table. And if there's some kind of a motion to to

[4:42:03] reverse what we did with bylaw 534, I don't know if we could see something

[4:42:09] like that today. I

[4:42:14] Voice 6: would love to try and read it.

[4:42:23] Voice 6: Yes, I would like to do that.

[4:42:32] Voice 6: Just for clarity, bring us back a report?

[4:42:41] We would, if

[4:42:43] Voice 6: you request a specific care by-law, for your consideration, I would ask that you

[4:42:56] Voice 6: as far as when to have it done yes um for the next meeting

[4:43:06] Voice 6: please and thank you yeah well i'd just say that i would um requesting some you know a staff report

[4:43:29] back to us um so that we can so

[4:43:35] Voice 6: that we can consider um sort of some of the implications of

[4:43:40] um removing that uh that delegation uh not certainly not against the the concept but i

[4:43:49] i'd like to do that within the context of staff reporting as opposed to just simply uh

[4:43:57] just a a drop by left to rescind if we could have both of those at the same time and it would be

[4:44:04] really nice to

[4:44:05] Voice 6: see the recommendations for when we passed it and what the rationale was at the time

[4:44:10] Voice 6: if that's possible if that still exists somewhere it would help if i understood the objective

[4:44:16] um

[4:44:19] Voice 7: to eliminate what happened with this

[4:44:24] Voice 6: one instance just recently so i would if i may

[4:44:31] Voice 6: mr chair i would say i said earlier today that staff should be credited with the speed at which

[4:44:36] Voice 6: we're processing applications but one of them is that the the other reason for that report is that

[4:44:42] Voice 6: that by making a large number of DPs

[4:44:46] Voice 6: simply the tetrachratic review,

[4:44:49] we have been able to process DPs to a high standard

[4:44:53] and process them more quickly

[4:44:58] than if they had been brought to LTC.

[4:45:00] Voice 6: So it would be additional work,

[4:45:03] Voice 6: additional time and meetings to reverse that bylaw.

[4:45:10] so i just i think that's probably the biggest benefit of the of the process um as noted

[4:45:17] this this one dp was declined um by the delegated authority um and

[4:45:23] Voice 6: the process was that it goes to

[4:45:26] Voice 6: lpc for consideration obviously had a an opportunity to do so i just i i want to make

[4:45:34] Voice 6: sure that we understand there's a large number of dps that have been processed what

[4:45:38] Voice 7: i see coming

[4:45:38] Voice 7: coming down the pipe with the new policy statement

[4:45:43] Voice 7: and the new OCP is that it's going to take so much power

[4:45:46] Voice 7: away from the LTC, it could get completely out of control.

[4:45:50] Voice 5: And the

[4:45:50] Voice 7: LTC would be basically just a, you know,

[4:45:53] Voice 7: kind of a rubber stamp unit and that's it.

[4:45:56] Voice 7: And so, yes, it may take more time,

[4:45:57] Voice 7: but it puts more power back into the people

[4:46:01] Voice 7: that were elected.

[4:46:02] Voice 6: Yeah.

[4:46:03] Voice 6: And I think the community

[4:46:04] Voice 6: will understand that rationale.

[4:46:07] Voice 6: know yeah

[4:46:07] Voice 11: just

[4:46:10] Voice 6: patrick um

[4:46:12] Voice 11: trustee

[4:46:14] Voice 6: harris is asking about that doc not not

[4:46:16] Voice 11: the

[4:46:17] Voice 6: other development

[4:46:19] Voice 6: permit but the developer related to the the dock the oversized stock the nearest west the variance

[4:46:26] Voice 6: as well as development and that was the communications breakdown that was the cause

[4:46:34] Voice 6: because of frustrations with that project.

[4:46:38] Voice 6: Unfortunately, development permits are technical.

[4:46:41] Voice 6: They are not political, they're not discretionary.

[4:46:44] Voice 6: They have to be based on technical.

[4:46:47] Voice 6: And that was the basis for putting these

[4:46:52] Voice 6: development permit areas that are technical in nature

[4:46:54] Voice 6: over to staff.

[4:46:55] Voice 6: I don't see the trust policy statement

[4:46:57] Voice 6: that they would have to be amended and changed

[4:47:01] Voice 6: from their current states

[4:47:02] Voice 6: before there was ever any change to what they are those are the rules that are on the books today

[4:47:08] Voice 6: thanks to their technical in nature um and that we had a communications failure um and breakdown

[4:47:16] Voice 6: on that on that narrowest west one um and that could be addressed but the development permit

[4:47:24] Voice 6: unfortunately exists um

[4:47:27] Voice 7: well one instance is one too many as far as i'm concerned

[4:47:31] Voice 7: concerned and I'm sure others would agree the you know yes there's technical stuff we can go back

[4:47:41] Voice 7: the way we were we'll get reports from staff explaining all these things put in front of the

[4:47:47] Voice 7: elected officials and I maybe ought to have argued the point more adamantly when it went down I think

[4:47:56] Voice 7: I kind of remember I have some recollection of it and it really should have been because it's

[4:48:02] Voice 7: actually a big deal and it kind of got snuck through the account and even realize what was

[4:48:07] Voice 7: happening the power is being taken away from trustees and with what the restrictions and

[4:48:12] Voice 7: tightening up of policies with directive policies with the policy statement and what's coming with

[4:48:18] the ocp um again i think it's just going to create this ltc is

[4:48:23] Voice 7: just a rubber stamp unit

[4:48:24] Voice 7: why bother having us so i'll try and get more people if this is something that will bring

[4:48:31] Voice 7: um you know to the next meeting or i believe that we were talking about then

[4:48:37] Voice 6: hopefully we can have

[4:48:38] Voice 6: some other community members to speak on it um i don't see how adding a little bit more time is uh

[4:48:47] Voice 6: is going to be a problem so um i'm just wondering trustee harris if uh you want to proceed with um

[4:49:04] making a resolution today uh or um just that we would have a report like you were mentioning yeah

[4:49:11] okay and and a resolution afterwards

[4:49:15] Voice 6: to be proposed after

[4:49:17] Voice 6: the report something along those

[4:49:21] Voice 6: lines okay well i'll certainly entertain a motion so i know we have a report from staff um on the

[4:49:29] Voice 7: implications of rescinding

[4:49:31] Voice 6: bylaw 534 to its, I'm not sure what bylaw was in its place prior, but

[4:49:39] Voice 6: no bylaw. Okay, so through rescinding bylaw 534, and I would like to, I guess there'll be a request

[4:49:46] Voice 6: for decision on RFD for next, for the next meeting to rescind it. Well, I would suggest

[4:49:57] Voice 6: I would suggest that the request that we do the next meeting is there's a discussion on where it fits with the priorities of the LPC, its overall program.

[4:50:10] Voice 6: I'll talk right away.

[4:50:18] Voice 6: So, just before we complete the motion.

[4:50:24] Voice 6: I'm certainly in support of requesting a report.

[4:50:33] I would ball that supporting resolution that placed top priority on it.

[4:50:40] So I'll just see

[4:50:42] Voice 6: that for your consideration.

[4:50:44] Voice 6: Well, if it's going to come next meeting, I don't understand what we need to make

[4:50:48] Voice 6: of the priorities as to where it will be on the agenda.

[4:50:52] I do not have the capacity to prepare a report unless it is the top priority.

[4:50:57] or that comes

[4:50:58] Voice 6: ahead of the OCPOB relocation

[4:51:01] Voice 6: and other development.

[4:51:04] Voice 6: Okay, well,

[4:51:04] Voice 6: maybe forget the report

[4:51:06] Voice 6: and we'll make a motion and do a request

[4:51:08] Voice 6: for decision for next meeting.

[4:51:11] Voice 6: We're supposed to just do that through email?

[4:51:13] Voice 6: Is that something that's done regularly, Chair?

[4:51:18] Voice 16: So to give staff direction to prepare a bylaw to rescind?

[4:51:29] yeah what you're considering well

[4:51:31] Voice 6: just again i would support the report um

[4:51:38] Voice 6: coming within staff capacity i don't want to displace what you're already uh have in stream

[4:51:45] Voice 6: um but i don't

[4:51:49] Voice 16: i don't in the absence of a report i i can't support um uh moving directly to a

[4:51:56] Voice 16: bylaw well we can easily

[4:51:59] Voice 16: my recommendation just just based on what i'm willing to support

[4:52:02] Voice 16: is that if you if you're willing to make a motion to request the report to come back

[4:52:08] Voice 16: um but leave the um

[4:52:10] Voice 6: leave the priority up to staff to fit into their work

[4:52:16] Voice 6: honestly i don't think we need to report i think we all

[4:52:18] Voice 5: we would have to do is look at the

[4:52:22] Voice 5: the recommendation of bylaw 534 when that went through like the paperwork's already done

[4:52:29] Voice 5: like it should be there is there not records of these things that have been done yeah well

[4:52:34] Voice 5: let's

[4:52:35] Voice 7: just look at bylaw 534 and what you know it was supposed to do and then we can make a motion

[4:52:42] Voice 7: i guess a motion on the fly

[4:52:44] Voice 6: at that time after reading that is something that could possibly be

[4:52:46] Voice 6: considered and that way it takes work away from them just have to pull it up and put it on the

[4:52:54] next month's agenda you're

[4:52:55] Voice 6: looking for a presentation on no just what we saw on our

[4:53:03] Voice 6: screen when we passed bylaw 534 what you saw yeah with the recommendations

[4:53:08] Voice 7: and what the rationale

[4:53:09] Voice 7: for

[4:53:10] Voice 6: those recommendations were it should be it should exist already yes that that bylaw was

[4:53:17] Voice 6: it's passed it will create a model bylaw created just before it got here trust council endorsed

[4:53:23] these drafts with that model bylaw right um for the delegation

[4:53:29] Voice 6: we adopted that bylaw more or less

[4:53:32] Voice 6: yeah so we can just look at that so we just need to look at that information you don't have to

[4:53:39] Voice 6: create anything new yeah i'm still i'm not really clear on the objective of this is

[4:53:46] Voice 7: taking the power

[4:53:47] Voice 7: an hour away from staff

[4:53:48] Voice 6: and putting it back into the hands of the LTC.

[4:53:52] Voice 7: That's the objective.

[4:53:54] Voice 7: Pretty clear.

[4:53:54] Voice 7: I

[4:53:55] Voice 6: mean staff doesn't

[4:53:56] Voice 7: really have a lot of power in any case.

[4:53:58] Voice 7: Well they truly did here.

[4:53:59] Voice 7: Yeah.

[4:54:00] Voice 7: And the Narrows West deal. We passed something and then unbeknownst to us after the fact

[4:54:08] Voice 7: staff had created a whole other ball of red tape for the people there to jump through.

[4:54:15] Voice 6: I'm going to recommend

[4:54:20] Voice 6: I'm going to recommend

[4:54:21] Voice 6: that we take a bit of a recess

[4:54:23] Voice 6: we've been going for two

[4:54:25] Voice 16: and a half hours

[4:54:25] Voice 16: I'm

[4:54:26] Voice 6: sorry I have to go

[4:54:27] Voice 6: my husband's in the hospital

[4:54:29] Voice 6: in Victoria and I'd like to see him

[4:54:31] Voice 6: so

[4:54:33] Voice 6: let's end this meeting

[4:54:35] Voice 6: today let's progress

[4:54:37] Voice 11: and finish our meeting

[4:54:39] Voice 11: and we keep going

[4:54:40] Voice 11: and get done

[4:54:43] Voice 6: well okay i i i completely um

[4:54:46] Voice 7: i'm sympathetic to your to

[4:54:49] Voice 6: your problem um trustee patrick all i'm

[4:54:51] Voice 6: asking is that we have to read this at the next meeting i don't see how it's a big deal to read

[4:54:56] Voice 6: that well if it's just a matter of requesting staff to bring the previous request for decision

[4:55:02] back to the next meeting that's

[4:55:05] Voice 6: just a matter of digging up the file and bringing back right

[4:55:12] an agenda

[4:55:12] Voice 6: the reason i wanted on

[4:55:19] Voice 7: the agenda is so i can make a motion at the next meeting and

[4:55:21] Voice 7: hopefully have it talked about and you know yeah maybe it would be a miracle to actually have

[4:55:27] Voice 7: proposed something and have it pass it to something see but you know i can't give up

[4:55:31] Voice 7: i was

[4:55:31] Voice 6: elected and i have a um a duties that people have elected okay but the original

[4:55:42] Voice 6: i don't

[4:55:49] Voice 7: know why it makes sense to me and if

[4:55:51] Voice 6: it's if it's just a matter of

[4:55:53] Voice 6: recirculating the report and then just be done by email um it sticks on our webpage right now yeah

[4:56:02] i mean back to your original intent uh trustee harris i would support a motion to request a report

[4:56:10] um but at this point i i can't i think i'd be very challenged to um in the absence of a report

[4:56:20] to support the rescindment of the bylaw.

[4:56:25] So that's the original report,

[4:56:27] probably the same thing as to take it.

[4:56:29] So that's the same thing, you know,

[4:56:33] Voice 7: they're asking us to do it.

[4:56:34] Voice 7: We can read that and then in our minds,

[4:56:36] Voice 7: I

[4:56:37] Voice 6: don't see how there's any difference.

[4:56:39] Voice 6: Okay, Mr. Chair, maybe there's a misunderstanding.

[4:56:41] Voice 6: They can simply read the recommendation

[4:56:43] Voice 6: and read the alternative.

[4:56:45] Voice 6: This bylaw has been adopted.

[4:56:48] Voice 6: The new bylaw must be free to say,

[4:56:50] Voice 6: say we repeal this. To repeal,

[4:56:52] Voice 6: yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Great. Well, can we have a motion to

[4:56:56] Voice 6: that effect on the next agenda? As a report. Or recommendation. We can discuss that. Debated

[4:57:07] Voice 6: at that point. Okay.

[4:57:12] Voice 16: Notwithstanding, Laura, I know you have to go. I need to take at least

[4:57:17] Voice 6: a five-minute break here. And we'll return. So five minutes after this.

[5:00:24] there we go okay we are

[5:00:27] Voice 6: back so

[5:00:35] Voice 16: uh before we move on jesse harris did

[5:00:40] Voice 6: you want to make a motion of

[5:00:42] Voice 6: some sort yes i move that

[5:00:45] Voice 7: staff bring back bylaw the report

[5:00:49] Voice 5: on bylaw 534 that we voted on for the

[5:00:56] Voice 6: next meeting before i consider seconding that's fairly sound straight fairly straightforward

[5:01:04] Voice 6: forward and staff any concerns yeah i mean procedurally i'm pretty sure we can see why

[5:01:17] Voice 6: it's confusing um but a little metal to it but okay all right so we can have discussion

[5:01:24] Voice 6: i understand i'm just trying to make sure that we're not creating any additional

[5:01:30] Voice 6: all right i'll second the motion that discussion thank you hang on see you now call the question

[5:01:41] Voice 6: in favor opposed

[5:01:43] Voice 16: we're going to move on um so 16.2 there was a motion

[5:01:51] Voice 16: a

[5:01:51] Voice 6: couple things um on to me that we're going to rely on illegal housing or non-conforming

[5:02:02] Voice 6: housing on this island to house people um and lots of them um i estimate over a thousand people

[5:02:15] Voice 6: And while I appreciate the efforts of our bylaw enforcement, I just don't think it's

[5:02:20] Voice 6: always the right tool at the right time, or some circumstances that we're in.

[5:02:27] Voice 6: There's for some of these people, there's nowhere they can go.

[5:02:30] Voice 6: Some people they are in situations that aren't safe.

[5:02:34] Voice 6: so um i've made a couple of morning tweets that i've sent to um lisa but i'll put the motion on

[5:02:42] Voice 6: the floor and then we can discuss it i move that the salt spring island local trust committee direct

[5:02:47] Voice 6: staff to urgently convene a multi-jurisdictional meeting to explore an alternative approach to

[5:02:54] Voice 6: bylaw enforcement that can better respond to investigating and mitigating housing

[5:02:58] Voice 6: housing living situations on Salt Spring Island okay and do you have emailed that and Lisa has it

[5:03:09] okay so uh we'll look for a second second invite trustee Harris and we should speak further I I

[5:03:19] Voice 6: would I I just um you know I think we can at least convene a meeting I know this is not necessarily

[5:03:26] Voice 6: this is not our wheelhouse I'm sure there's another agency that would be better suited to

[5:03:31] Voice 6: to lead this. I don't know which one exactly. I know we have

[5:03:35] Voice 6: Shan here on the island. It's the

[5:03:39] Voice 6: Society of the South Supreme Island Health Authority Network, I think

[5:03:43] Voice 6: is their name, and others that could be brought to the table

[5:03:47] Voice 6: to figure out how we could bring a

[5:03:51] Voice 6: compassionate team to be the initial group that comes in

[5:03:55] Voice 6: to any complaints or things on these

[5:03:59] Voice 6: alternative living situations so that they can be addressed you know with a rounded team of uh

[5:04:05] Voice 6: approach um and not the the police force approach but uh um by law enforcement can be perceived as

[5:04:13] Voice 6: okay christy harris i agree there's a huge problem thank you trustee patrick for um

[5:04:21] Voice 6: putting a motion like this together i'm you know i don't i don't know what kind of headway we'll

[5:04:28] Voice 6: make with some other um but it's with other um you know entities but um it's worth

[5:04:36] Voice 5: a shot i know we

[5:04:37] Voice 5: can

[5:04:37] Voice 6: do things on our end and i really hope we do thank you okay anything further on the motion

[5:04:47] Voice 6: i'll call the question all those in favor careless all

[5:04:54] Voice 16: right in the report section we have the

[5:04:57] Voice 16: policy and standing resolutions lists uh for information the applications report sure yes sir

[5:05:06] Voice 16: did

[5:05:07] Voice 6: you not have a would you strike number three uh no i put that under the upcoming meeting section

[5:05:14] uh anything from anyone on the applications report

[5:05:20] and the expense report no on the stress conservancy report i'm going to go to the

[5:05:27] upcoming meeting section now um next scheduled meeting is for uh october 16th right here

[5:05:37] but i did raise at the beginning of the meeting the november 6th uh meeting start time

[5:05:45] Um, and, uh, I'll just, uh, to clarify with my usual, um,

[5:05:56] Voice 6: travel schedule, Galeano has

[5:05:59] Voice 6: been canceled and rescheduled.

[5:06:01] Voice 6: Therefore, a later start time, uh, provides, uh, financial and time efficiencies from my

[5:06:10] Voice 6: perspective as a chair.

[5:06:12] Voice 6: and i know that uh rpm also has a conflict conflicting uh engagement that morning so um

[5:06:21] Voice 6: i'm hoping that the uh trust committee could consider how leaders take time

[5:06:25] Voice 6: but let's also go over to our game so that you can let us know a little bit about what

[5:06:32] Voice 6: timing might be more suitable for your chair i believe i i sort of um it would it would be

[5:06:40] Voice 6: Yeah, Neil, if we could start possibly in the start of time.

[5:06:51] What's sort of outstanding here is this space.

[5:06:57] So what we can do is we can look

[5:07:01] Voice 6: at an alternative and the direction.

[5:07:04] Voice 6: So it's fine to start at a later time and information, a motion to do so.

[5:07:27] Voice 6: I would suggest also that I don't think it does require a resolution, but as chair, if you'd like to have a discussion,

[5:07:41] Voice 6: discussion. And then

[5:08:04] Voice 16: I guess the other thing is public

[5:08:08] notification of changing the time that we're able to complete

[5:08:13] an RWM this week,

[5:08:15] Voice 6: let's say that's going to give us plenty of

[5:08:18] Voice 6: time in terms of public notification period for changing

[5:08:21] Voice 6: in the time so remember okay to do that okay so um before i go ahead and make a motion just any

[5:08:34] other thoughts from any trustees what's ever needed to accommodate this part of the thing

[5:08:38] and i did like the suggestion that if we start a little bit later that we could then potentially

[5:08:45] accommodate um you know a later town hall at the end of the meeting which is we've certainly heard

[5:08:52] from members of the public that

[5:08:54] Voice 16: work for people it's difficult

[5:08:56] Voice 16: to attend the day so

[5:08:57] Voice 16: then I move that

[5:09:01] Voice 16: South Spring Local Trust

[5:09:02] Voice 16: Committee request staff to

[5:09:08] Voice 16: report back

[5:09:10] Voice 16: to report back on

[5:09:12] Voice 16: changing the start

[5:09:14] Voice 16: time for the November 6th

[5:09:16] Voice 16: meeting seconded by Trustee Patrick

[5:09:21] anything further

[5:09:23] I'll call the question all those in

[5:09:25] favor thank

[5:09:27] Voice 16: you i appreciate that um we next we have a um a motion to close the meeting

[5:09:38] Voice 16: i'm going to go ahead and assume that

[5:09:40] Voice 6: ryzen report can most likely wait until the next meeting

[5:09:45] Voice 6: so um we are going to go to closed meeting and we won't be coming back into public meeting

[5:09:52] Voice 6: meeting today.

[5:09:55] Voice 6: I move that the Salisbury

[5:09:57] Voice 6: on Local Trust Committee close this meeting

[5:09:58] Voice 6: to the public subject 2, Community Charter

[5:10:01] Voice 6: Section 91F, and that the

[5:10:03] Voice 6: staff be invited to remain.

[5:10:05] Voice 6: So moved.

[5:10:07] Voice 6: Seconded by Trustee Harris.

[5:10:09] Any discussion? I'll

[5:10:11] Voice 6: call the question.

[5:10:12] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[5:10:13] Voice 6: Motion carries.

[5:10:16] Voice 6: We'll wait a few minutes.