Galiano Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, September 19, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 3: Galliano Island Local Trust Committee to order. And I want to begin the meeting today by

[0:00:06] Voice 3: acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather in the territory of the Coast Salish

[0:00:11] Voice 3: peoples and Galliano in particular, the Penelakut tribe, the stewards of these lands

[0:00:17] Voice 3: and waters since time immemorial. My name is Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Huet'ai,

[0:00:24] Voice 3: Laskiti Island and I'm the chair of the Galliano Island local trust committee

[0:00:30] Voice 3: joining us today our local Galliano trustees Gavreau and Maberly and our

[0:00:38] Voice 3: planner Kim Stockdill is here as well and our meeting host is Lisa Millard so

[0:00:45] Voice 3: we have an agenda before us and I'll look to see if there is any amendments

[0:00:51] Voice 3: amendments necessary to the agenda today? None for me.

[0:00:54] Voice 13: None for me. Looks good.

[0:00:56] Voice 3: All right. We'll

[0:00:57] Voice 3: take it by general consent then that the agenda is approved as presented. And the first part is

[0:01:05] Voice 3: the trustee introduction and overview. So I'm going to go over to trustees then, I suppose.

[0:01:14] Voice 3: Ben, do you want to go first?

[0:01:16] Voice 11: Yeah, sure. Trustee Ben Maberly from Galliano Island,

[0:01:20] Voice 11: Territory of the

[0:01:21] Voice 11: Penelakut Tribe

[0:01:21] Voice 11: I just want to thank everybody for

[0:01:25] Voice 11: joining us this morning

[0:01:26] Voice 11: it's great to get this project

[0:01:28] Voice 11: sort of really underway and I'm looking

[0:01:31] Voice 11: forward to all the feedback today

[0:01:35] Voice 13: My name is Lisa Govero

[0:01:36] Voice 13: I'm zooming in from my kitchen

[0:01:39] Voice 13: on Galeano Island which is core

[0:01:41] Voice 13: territory to the Penelakut Tribe

[0:01:42] Voice 13: same, I'm looking forward to the

[0:01:45] Voice 13: feedback today, I'm keeping

[0:01:47] Voice 13: open mind and I'm going to be making a lot

[0:01:49] Voice 13: of notes, thank you

[0:01:52] Voice 3: Great. Thank you both. And as I mentioned, I'm elected up on Pai Tai. And I think our next section, I'm going to turn it over to Planner Stockdale.

[0:02:03] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair Peterson. So what I'll do now is I'm going to share my screen and I'm going to be presenting a PowerPoint presentation. And I just want to confirm that you can see the slide that says Associate Islands Regulation Review Project. And can you see my mouse wiggle around as well? Potentially? Okay, great.

[0:02:32] Voice 6: Yes, we can.

[0:02:32] Voice 6: Yeah. Great.

[0:02:34] Voice 2: Thank you. So I just wanted to spend about 15 minutes highlighting a few things

[0:02:42] Voice 2: before we launch into the community information meeting portion of today. So thank you,

[0:02:51] Voice 2: everybody, for joining us. As I'm sure you know, the purpose of meeting today is to discuss a new

[0:02:58] Voice 2: LTC project which has the official name of the Associated Islands Regulations Review

[0:03:04] Voice 2: Project. And before we begin, I'd just like to mention how honoured I am to live and work

[0:03:15] Voice 2: in the beautiful territory of the Coast Salish peoples. Just to give you an idea of the topics

[0:03:28] Voice 2: I'm going to be covering this morning, I do want to go over jurisdictions with the three

[0:03:34] Voice 2: levels of jurisdiction, federal, provincial, and local. I'll be highlighting what a land use

[0:03:42] Voice 2: bylaw is, discussing some of the information on what a minor project is, the background to this

[0:03:51] Voice 2: project, what a project charter is, and what does that look like for the project that the LTC is

[0:03:57] Voice 2: currently looking at. Some of the issues that we've heard so far in light of these topics,

[0:04:04] Voice 2: And at the very end, I have some questions for discussion to hopefully encourage discussion about this project.

[0:04:18] Voice 2: So as I mentioned, there are three major levels of authority for marine and shoreline decision making within the Islands Trust area.

[0:04:28] Voice 2: area. I also want to say I want to thank a previous planner at the Alliance Trust, Phil

[0:04:35] Voice 2: Testamel, who has put together all these wonderful drawings. So I'm very thankful to him for

[0:04:42] Voice 2: that. So the first one there is a federal jurisdiction, and you can see that noted by

[0:04:51] Voice 2: by the Canadian flag.

[0:04:54] Voice 2: So federal jurisdiction focuses on navigation,

[0:04:59] Voice 2: mooring buoys, freighter anchorage,

[0:05:02] Voice 2: abandoned boats and so forth.

[0:05:05] Voice 2: Provincial legislation that focuses on archeology,

[0:05:11] Voice 2: aquaculture, private docks in terms of issuing licenses

[0:05:16] Voice 2: for private moorages, so that's all through the province

[0:05:19] Voice 2: and also some shoreline protection and within the local trust committee's jurisdiction

[0:05:26] Voice 2: the focus really is land use planning so the galliano local trust committee has a land use

[0:05:34] Voice 2: bylaw which is also known as a zoning bylaw and development permit areas and also shoreline

[0:05:42] Voice 2: protection policies and guidelines that are found in the galliano island official community plan

[0:05:49] Voice 2: And for those that are online today, these slides are also included on the project webpage. So actually, they're already on the webpage. So I will highlight that at the very end. So these will be available to you afterwards.

[0:06:06] Voice 2: I also want to highlight the policy hierarchy within the Islands Trust.

[0:06:16] Voice 2: The policy statement there at the very, very top is the highest level of policy document.

[0:06:23] Voice 2: It's kind of like the big umbrella for the Islands Trust area.

[0:06:27] Voice 2: The trust policy statement, which some of you may know, is in the process of being amended

[0:06:35] Voice 2: and is a general statement of policies for the Trust Council to care out the object of the trust.

[0:06:45] Voice 2: This document is owned by Trust Council and guides local trust committees

[0:06:50] Voice 2: and also influences the development of official committee plans.

[0:06:55] Voice 2: And this policy statement, as I said, is a trust-wide document.

[0:06:59] Voice 2: And then as we start focusing just within the local trust area of Galliano,

[0:07:05] Voice 2: which is the official community plan. And that really is specific to the Galliano area.

[0:07:13] Voice 2: The Galliano Island local trust area has an official community plan, and it's also known

[0:07:19] Voice 2: as an OCP. So you'll hear the term OCP, and that's in reference to the official community plan.

[0:07:26] Voice 2: The OCP includes objects and policies that guide land use decisions. And it's really a

[0:07:35] Voice 2: long-term visioning document that the community and the LTC has at its disposal. The OCP also

[0:07:45] Voice 2: includes development permit areas. And for the associated islands, there is a shoreline and

[0:07:54] Voice 2: marine development permit area, which helps to guide development to protect the sensitive coastal

[0:08:00] Voice 2: coastal areas. And the third one there is the land use bylaw. And that's also known in other

[0:08:07] Voice 2: land use jurisdictions as a zoning bylaw. And it regulates land use, density, sighting size,

[0:08:15] Voice 2: and dimension regulations. It really shows what you can or cannot build within a certain zone.

[0:08:22] Voice 2: And then that land use bylaw at the very bottom results in what you may see around you

[0:08:27] Voice 2: on your land or within your neighborhood, and also within the Galliano Island local trust area.

[0:08:35] Voice 2: So very, very old picture here, but this is just a glimpse of what entails the what's included in

[0:08:41] Voice 2: the local trust area for Galliano Island. And this can be found in the OCP and also the land

[0:08:49] Voice 2: use bylaw. So you see it's Galliano itself, and then some of the smaller islands, which we call

[0:08:56] Voice 2: the associated islands so gossip parker wise island and some of the smaller islands there

[0:09:06] Voice 2: so what is a land use bylaw a land use bylaw establishes zones and those zones as you

[0:09:17] Voice 2: generally see are you know rural zones agriculture zones industrial zones forestry zones

[0:09:24] Voice 2: And within those zones, they permit certain uses of land, buildings, and structures.

[0:09:30] Voice 2: They also regulate the placement of buildings, so perhaps include setbacks, lose height.

[0:09:39] Voice 2: Within a land use bylaw, it also includes subdivision, perking, and sign regulations.

[0:09:45] Voice 2: So the land use bylaw for the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee or Local Trust Area is Land Use Bylaw 127.

[0:09:52] Voice 2: 27. And this is actually taken right from the land use bylaw. This is the zoning map for the

[0:10:03] Voice 2: southern portion of Galliano and the associated islands. So this gives you a sense of what the

[0:10:08] Voice 2: zoning map looks like. And I just wanted to highlight some of the zones for the associated

[0:10:16] Voice 2: islands. So here, I know it's really, really tiny on some people's screens if you're on your phone,

[0:10:22] Voice 2: um but uh Wise Island is primarily zoned small lot residential uh there are some um lots uh zoned

[0:10:33] Voice 2: for public recreation the NP is for nature protection and the MP is for marine protection

[0:10:42] Voice 2: and then the area surrounding um the associated islands is zoned uh marine uh this is a snapshot

[0:10:52] Voice 2: shot of Parker Island. Parker Island actually is primarily zoned rural too. There's also

[0:11:00] Voice 2: an area for utility service on the island and Fillamore Point there at the bottom,

[0:11:07] Voice 2: bottom right hand side is primarily zoned small lot residential. In addition Gossip Island and

[0:11:19] Voice 2: and Retreat Island is also zoned small lot residential.

[0:11:24] Voice 2: And in the middle of Gossip Island,

[0:11:26] Voice 2: there is a nature protection.

[0:11:32] Voice 2: So I just wanted to go over what zoning looks like

[0:11:36] Voice 2: in a land use bylaw.

[0:11:38] Voice 2: So this is taken right out of the Galliano Island

[0:11:41] Voice 2: local trust committee land use bylaw.

[0:11:45] Voice 2: At the top there, you'll see the name of the zone.

[0:11:47] Voice 2: So we're taking a look at the small lot residential zone.

[0:11:51] Voice 2: zone. So it's also known as SLR. Within a zone, it will include permitted uses. So we'll tell you

[0:11:58] Voice 2: exactly what uses are permitted in a zone. So here for small lot residential, the permitted uses are

[0:12:04] Voice 2: dwellings, cottages, home occupations, and also secondary suites. In a zone, it will also regulate

[0:12:13] Voice 2: density. So the density for those uses, this regulates density in terms of how many dwellings

[0:12:22] Voice 2: or how many cottages are permitted on a property. So the first one was uses. Now the regulation is

[0:12:28] Voice 2: density. And at the bottom here in the yellow, that's where you're focusing on siting size and

[0:12:35] Voice 2: dimension regulations. So how big a building may be, the height, the setback from lot lines.

[0:12:44] Voice 2: Um, there are also setbacks to the natural boundary of the sea, but that's included in

[0:12:49] Voice 2: the general regulations of the land use bylaw.

[0:12:52] Voice 2: So that's at the very beginning of the land use bylaw.

[0:12:54] Voice 2: So instead of just taking a snapshot of the one zone, you do want to take a look at the

[0:12:59] Voice 2: land use bylaw in its entirety, start at the beginning with the general regulations that

[0:13:04] Voice 2: apply to all properties or all lots within the local trust area.

[0:13:09] Voice 2: So I just wanted to kind of highlight what a zone looks like, what the regulation looks

[0:13:13] Voice 2: looks like and how they're broken down into uses, density, and then sighting size and dimension

[0:13:20] Voice 2: regulations. Now we're getting into the juicy details, the project details. So why did this,

[0:13:32] Voice 2: why is the LTC focusing on this project? Well, we've seen some variances in the last few years

[0:13:40] Voice 2: for structures that are located in the setback to the natural boundary of the sea.

[0:13:47] Voice 2: And also the setback to side lot lines and also front and interior lot lines.

[0:13:54] Voice 2: And some of those structures that have required variances include solar panels, decks.

[0:14:01] Voice 2: They've also included the upland landing portion of a dock.

[0:14:07] Voice 2: And so the LTC has seen those variance applications in the last few years.

[0:14:12] Voice 2: the local trust committee has also received some letters from wise island residents i'm stating

[0:14:20] Voice 2: that they've seen an increase in some of these variances or they've had to apply for variances

[0:14:25] Voice 2: because of these structures that they believe are necessary to to their way of life on their island

[0:14:33] Voice 2: the galliano local trust committee is actually currently wrapping up the other minor project

[0:14:39] Voice 2: Project, which is the Groundwater Sustainability Project. It's in its final phase, and that's why

[0:14:45] Voice 2: now the LTC can shift its focus to this new project, which is, as I mentioned, the Associated

[0:14:51] Voice 2: Islands Regulation Review. I know it's a big mouthful. And it was initiated earlier this year.

[0:14:59] Voice 2: To highlight what is a minor project, a minor project must have a budget of less than $5,000.

[0:15:08] Voice 2: dollars. It's very limited in scope and this is generally assigned to the island planner

[0:15:13] Voice 2: for that local trust committee. So currently I am the island planner for the Galliano LTC

[0:15:21] Voice 2: so I will be at the main point of contact for this project. Each project has a what we call

[0:15:28] Voice 2: a project charter. It's a great snapshot of what to expect out of this project. It provides a

[0:15:35] Voice 2: a timeline, a budget, certain deliverables that the LTC, that staff will be assisting the LTC with.

[0:15:44] Voice 2: And I believe I mentioned, but the LTC can have no more than one minor project. So because the

[0:15:50] Voice 2: groundwater project is kind of nearing its end, excuse me, the Galliano LTC is now starting up

[0:15:56] Voice 2: this new project. And I'd also like to highlight the current project charter for this project.

[0:16:04] Voice 2: this information and the project charter is on the galliano island projects web page

[0:16:11] Voice 2: so community members can review this it's a dynamic um document so it can change over time

[0:16:18] Voice 2: and actually this i think believe is the second version of the project charter and there more

[0:16:24] Voice 2: than likely will be made a future amendment specifically to the timeline for this project

[0:16:29] Voice 2: project. So this includes the project charter includes a bit of the purpose in the background

[0:16:35] Voice 2: as I highlighted. In terms of what's in scope for this project you can see a couple items there

[0:16:41] Voice 2: the LTC has referred this project to the Galliano Island Advisory Planning Commission also known as

[0:16:50] Voice 2: the APC and hopefully that referral will be coming back in the next month or so. Within scope is also

[0:16:59] Voice 2: so special meetings like this one to engage with property owners of boat access only properties

[0:17:05] Voice 2: and it's to really review current land use regulations in the land use bylaw what's out

[0:17:12] Voice 2: of scope or any type of major amendments to the galliano island official community plan

[0:17:17] Voice 2: or amendments that are just not related to the associated islands whatsoever

[0:17:22] Voice 2: And the main deliverable is potentially a amendment to the land use bylaw. So that's really what will be the final deliverable for this project is potentially amendments.

[0:17:38] Voice 2: amendments. As I mentioned, the project charter includes a timeline and deliverables. This one

[0:17:46] Voice 2: may have to be amended and tweaked in the next little bit. Right now, we're kind of right in

[0:17:51] Voice 2: the middle there, although it's still very, very early in the project, and the AP referral is about

[0:17:56] Voice 2: to be sent out. And here at this meeting today, we're engaging with boat access only and associate

[0:18:03] Voice 2: property owners. This timeline says that a draft bylaw may be presented to the LTC for

[0:18:12] Voice 2: this year's December meeting. I don't unfortunately foresee that happening and

[0:18:17] Voice 2: may be bumped later to early in the new year. So these do shift over time.

[0:18:26] Voice 2: So the purpose of today's meeting is really to provide property owners an opportunity to speak

[0:18:33] Voice 2: Speak with any issues or concerns that they've had or they've seen with the current land use bylaw.

[0:18:40] Voice 2: So how has the current land use bylaw affected the use of your property or how have you seen it affected your neighbor's use?

[0:18:47] Voice 2: And are there any potential changes that you'd like the LTC to take a look at?

[0:18:52] Voice 2: um i did send out a letter to property owners a month or so ago um noting that this project has

[0:19:01] Voice 2: been initiated and to encourage those to attend today's meeting i understand that the letter

[0:19:07] Voice 2: um is i'm fortunately filled it was filled with a lot of planning jargon so uh i did had the

[0:19:13] Voice 2: opportunity to speak with some property owners and really that's why i wanted to focus on today

[0:19:19] Voice 2: day on breaking down like what is a land use bylaw? What is the LTC actually trying to, what

[0:19:23] Voice 2: information is the LTC hoping to receive from property owners? So some of the things that we've

[0:19:32] Voice 2: heard so far, solar panels. Solar panels, they are considered a structure and they must meet the

[0:19:41] Voice 2: setback requirements of the land use bylaw. That means they must be set back from the natural

[0:19:46] Voice 2: boundary of the sea, or from the side lot lines, or from the rear or front lot lines.

[0:19:52] Voice 2: And as we know, for some of the associated islands, it makes it really difficult. This

[0:19:56] Voice 2: picture is taken on the west side of Wise Island. Wise Island primarily has electricity by solar

[0:20:07] Voice 2: panel means, or perhaps by generators, as there's no BC hydro connection. So solar panels are a way

[0:20:14] Voice 2: a life. And the whole point of solar panels, as we know, is to optimize getting that energy from

[0:20:20] Voice 2: the sun. So property owners primarily want to locate that in the best place possible to optimize

[0:20:29] Voice 2: getting that sun's energy. And of course, these are then set in the setback to the natural boundary

[0:20:35] Voice 2: of the sea. So the LTC has seen a couple variance applications for property owners varying the land

[0:20:42] Voice 2: use bylaw to allow the placement of these solar panel structures within the setback to the natural

[0:20:48] Voice 2: boundary of the sea. We've also seen a few variances for stairs to a foreshore. In the past,

[0:21:00] Voice 2: there has been a variance due to a property owner wanting stairs down to the foreshore due to

[0:21:08] Voice 2: access in terms of if there was an emergency on the island, and the only way possibly to get down

[0:21:17] Voice 2: to the foreshore or the shoreline would be by stairs, because there's a cliff face, as you can

[0:21:22] Voice 2: see in this picture. So there certainly is potentially a need for some to have some access

[0:21:29] Voice 2: to the foreshore due to emergency situations. In terms of cantilever decks, there is certainly

[0:21:37] Voice 2: quite a few on some of the associated islands and you know cantilever decks are really for the

[0:21:44] Voice 2: primary use of that property owner how do these cantilever decks impact the enjoyment and use

[0:21:50] Voice 2: of neighbors or even the use or enjoyment of those who are seaside so that's something

[0:21:59] Voice 2: we'd like to hear from as well from property owners and for the LTC to consider

[0:22:03] Voice 2: litter. As I mentioned before the areas around Galliano and the associated islands it's zoned

[0:22:16] Voice 2: marine and the marine zone does permit private docks. So what we've seen some issues with is

[0:22:27] Voice 2: the upland portion of these docks. So where the docks actually attach to the private property

[0:22:34] Voice 2: And I'm not sure if you can see my mouse here. If the natural boundary of the sea is running somewhere along the line there, there's this structure for the landing of the dock and potentially some stairs. This is considered a structure. And that must meet the setbacks in that zone and or in the general regulations.

[0:22:55] Voice 2: regulations so how can a landing for a dock meet the setbacks it's unfortunate you know it's one

[0:23:03] Voice 2: of those situations where right now the land use bylaw doesn't work for those property owners that

[0:23:09] Voice 2: really need a dock to access their properties so we have seen some variances which have granted

[0:23:17] Voice 2: the siting of these dock landings and also stairs to allow for the access to their dock

[0:23:24] Voice 2: Otherwise, as you can see in this picture, you've just got your nice little platform just floating there without being able to attach it to the upland portion.

[0:23:35] Voice 2: So I wanted to just quickly go over the current setback to the natural boundary of the sea that's in the land use bylaw right now.

[0:23:45] Voice 2: This is on page four of the Galliano Island land use bylaw.

[0:23:50] Voice 2: and in section 2.14 it says buildings and structures must be sited at least 7.5 meters

[0:23:59] Voice 2: and that equals to 25 feet from the natural boundary of the sea and as you can see in this

[0:24:06] Voice 2: regulation there are no exemptions for the setback. There are other land use bylaws within

[0:24:14] Voice 2: within the islands trust that have do have exemptions for this so I believe there's a

[0:24:20] Voice 2: bylaw that exempts the upland portion of a landing for a dock to a certain square foot

[0:24:26] Voice 2: may be exempt from the requirement to meet the setback to the natural boundary of the sea

[0:24:32] Voice 2: so that's something the LTC could consider for associated islands or boat access only properties

[0:24:38] Voice 2: is um exempting the landing uh for uh the upland portion of the docks um in terms of setbacks from

[0:24:51] Voice 2: the interior side lot lines uh for slr or small lot residential or pardon me i should say rural

[0:25:00] Voice 2: residential not rural to residential um the setback from the interior side light line so the

[0:25:07] Voice 2: the setback from your, the lot line that you share with your neighbor is 20 feet. So that's

[0:25:14] Voice 2: something to consider as well for, especially for solar panels that may need to be located,

[0:25:20] Voice 2: you know, in the natural boundary of the sea, but perhaps there's a perfect clearing that's

[0:25:25] Voice 2: closer to that one lot line, but it's difficult to meet that 20 foot setback. So that's something

[0:25:33] Voice 2: to consider. So these are the current setbacks in the land use bylaw for small lot residential.

[0:25:42] Voice 2: And these are some of the questions that I hope that would spur some discussion between the

[0:25:48] Voice 2: trustees, the chair, myself, and those who are in attendance today. Or for those who couldn't make

[0:25:54] Voice 2: it today, but are listening to this meeting online at a future date, some questions for

[0:26:01] Voice 2: consideration that will hopefully help guide direction to the LTC to determine are there any

[0:26:08] Voice 2: amendments required to the land use bylaw? Is the land use bylaw right now okay? Or what could be

[0:26:14] Voice 2: changed? So the first question there is how does being a boat access only property influence the

[0:26:22] Voice 2: type of structures you need to make your lot usable? So for example, as I mentioned for the

[0:26:27] Voice 2: solar panels for Wise Island. That's a primary use of electricity. So, it's certainly a

[0:26:39] Voice 2: requirement or a structure that is used quite a bit for Wise Island. And what changes or

[0:26:45] Voice 2: improvements would you like to see in the land use bylaw for boat access only properties?

[0:26:50] Voice 2: As an example, that would be perhaps an exemption for the upland portion of a dock

[0:26:56] Voice 2: or a landing area for a dock the exemption to the setback to the natural boundary of the sea

[0:27:01] Voice 2: and do you think there would be any different rules for boat access only lots compared to

[0:27:07] Voice 2: road accessible lots why are they not and what are the alternative locations on your property

[0:27:13] Voice 2: where structures that currently do not comply with the land use bylaw could be reasonably placed

[0:27:17] Voice 2: or setback or is setbacks a limiting factor another example of this is solar panels well

[0:27:24] Voice 2: Well, if you can't meet the setback to the natural boundary of the sea, perhaps you can put it up higher on top of your roof or in a tree.

[0:27:32] Voice 2: But that has its own issues as well with impacting the natural environment.

[0:27:39] Voice 2: Or perhaps you have solar panels that just can't go on your roof due to placement.

[0:27:45] Voice 2: So that's something to consider.

[0:27:47] Voice 2: and if there are any other challenges, suggestions or perspectives that you'd like to share with the

[0:27:54] Voice 2: LTC. And my last page here is, this is the link to the project webpage and also the current

[0:28:01] Voice 2: Galliano bylaws. There's an email address there, southinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca. If you would

[0:28:08] Voice 2: like to provide written comments to the LTC, you can send it to that email or if you have any

[0:28:14] Voice 2: planning related questions my email address is there or if you want to send

[0:28:18] Voice 2: a correspondence to the LTC you can certainly a CC myself to the email and

[0:28:23] Voice 2: I'll ensure that the LTC has a copy so I'm gonna leave it at their chair

[0:28:28] Voice 2: Peterson and I'm happy to leave up one or more slides if necessary but I will

[0:28:33] Voice 2: pass it back to you I

[0:28:40] Voice 3: think it might be helpful as we go in to maybe bring back

[0:28:44] Voice 3: some of the um the questions absolutely but i see but i see trustee maybe he has his hand up

[0:28:52] Voice 3: so i'm going to turn over to him for a moment yeah

[0:28:55] Voice 11: thank you chair um thanks kim that was yeah

[0:28:58] Voice 11: yeah it was a good a good presentation really lays it out clearly um it's just one thing you

[0:29:04] Voice 11: mentioned fill more point when you did your introduction um so i just need some clarity

[0:29:09] Voice 11: are we including Fillmore Point in this associated islands project yes

[0:29:14] Voice 2: we are because they are

[0:29:16] Voice 2: primarily boat access only thank

[0:29:18] Voice 11: you I just wanted that for the audience just just so they were

[0:29:22] Voice 11: aware even though that's not an island we're including that in the in the project great

[0:29:29] Voice 3: question and important information so before we open up the floor for questions or comments from

[0:29:42] Voice 3: from the public.

[0:29:42] Voice 3: Is there anything else trustees wanted to raise

[0:29:45] Voice 3: before we get into that portion?

[0:29:49] Voice 3: I'm not seeing any.

[0:29:51] Voice 3: I have one question that came up for me

[0:29:53] Voice 3: as we're looking through the slides,

[0:29:56] Voice 3: and that is the issue of...

[0:30:00] Voice 3: public access along the foreshore and my understanding is when um structures like

[0:30:07] Voice 3: docks are built there is some regulation not our regulation but i would assume it to be

[0:30:13] Voice 3: probably provincial or federal uh that speaks to not limiting the public access along the foreshore

[0:30:20] Voice 3: obviously if that if if i am correct on that then that would be something that we cannot

[0:30:25] Voice 3: not um play with because it's not our uh level of jurisdiction so i don't know if you have a

[0:30:32] Voice 3: comment on that or that's something to look up and and discuss later but that was the one that

[0:30:36] Voice 3: jumped out at me um and then i think what i'll do is uh if everyone's okay with it is i'll ask um

[0:30:45] Voice 3: folks who have a question or comment um that are joining us online here to put up

[0:30:50] Voice 3: their digital hands and then it will call on them for questions and so I see

[0:30:59] Voice 3: one right now which is Duncan Reed so go ahead and unmute yourself Duncan and

[0:31:06] Voice 3: we'll hear what you have to say great

[0:31:10] Voice 14: thanks very much did that did that work

[0:31:12] Voice 14: yes

[0:31:13] Voice 3: we can hear you thank you

[0:31:14] Voice 14: okay great Duncan Reed here wise Islander and

[0:31:20] Voice 14: and current chair of the Wise Island Community Association.

[0:31:26] Voice 14: And I wanted to first express my thanks to you, Kim,

[0:31:31] Voice 14: for your work on this.

[0:31:32] Voice 14: That was a terrific presentation, and to the trustees as well.

[0:31:38] Voice 14: I know that Wise Islanders have been talking about this with you

[0:31:44] Voice 14: for a couple of years now,

[0:31:46] Voice 14: triggered by some enforcement issues a few years ago.

[0:31:49] Voice 14: and I think you've really set the right foundation

[0:31:54] Voice 14: for a great discussion here.

[0:31:56] Voice 14: So thanks very much for doing this and for taking the time.

[0:32:00] Voice 14: Just a couple of comments.

[0:32:02] Voice 14: First of all, in terms of what are the particular uses

[0:32:07] Voice 14: and the structures that really cause an issue

[0:32:10] Voice 14: and just to review some of those,

[0:32:12] Voice 14: and I know we've talked about these before,

[0:32:14] Voice 14: but three really come to mind right at the outset.

[0:32:18] Voice 14: set uh fire uh is it is a big one uh for wise because we rely on a fire pump system uh that

[0:32:26] Voice 14: goes in the seawater uh that then uh the pump goes in the seawater and that that is is used

[0:32:33] Voice 14: to put out the fire uh on the uh on the island uh and as much as we'd like to say that hasn't

[0:32:39] Voice 14: been used it has been used uh several times uh now over the years uh all successful uh we get

[0:32:45] Voice 14: more concerned with every passing year that one day we won't be able to contain one of those fires

[0:32:51] Voice 14: but they have been successful that depends on rapid response and being able to get uh one of

[0:32:57] Voice 14: our three pumps in the water in front of that cabin uh right away to be able to put out that

[0:33:01] Voice 14: fire so wise islanders spend an enormous amount of time on fire prevention and and other concerns

[0:33:08] Voice 14: uh but those those structures are often useful and and critical really uh to be able to to have the

[0:33:14] Voice 14: the fire infrastructure that we have be of any use whatsoever.

[0:33:18] Voice 14: So that's key.

[0:33:20] Voice 14: The second one is the emergency access, which has also sporadically been called upon

[0:33:25] Voice 14: in the 30, 40 years that I've been around, and we've had to use those structures to evacuate people.

[0:33:35] Voice 14: And, Kim, I think you mentioned that in your summary there.

[0:33:38] Voice 14: The last one, of course, is the power generation, where this one really kind of fits with the small lot structure.

[0:33:46] Voice 14: I mean, that's the real challenge, the real crux of it here, as we've looked at this over the past few years.

[0:33:54] Voice 14: We didn't look at Fillmore, and I don't know the situation with Fillmore.

[0:33:58] Voice 14: We did look at all the other associated islands, and we're kind of the only one that has these really small lots,

[0:34:05] Voice 14: sort of half an acre or less that are quite narrow in most cases uh with no electricity and uh you

[0:34:13] Voice 14: know the other ones uh fit into an uninhabited or preserved category or private island single owner

[0:34:19] Voice 14: or you know shared with uh conservation space etc or they have electricity but the uh the solar

[0:34:26] Voice 14: panels combined with the the lack of lot width and the setbacks that are designed for much bigger

[0:34:33] Voice 14: lot zones, that creates a real challenge. And, you know, I think that's where we've run into

[0:34:41] Voice 14: real zoning issues is with the placement of those panels to make them effective while also respecting

[0:34:47] Voice 14: the bylaw. In some cases, it's just not possible. And that's where we've seen some of these

[0:34:51] Voice 14: variances. And in some cases, they fit on the roofs of the cabins. And in some cases, they just

[0:34:57] Voice 14: don't for some of the placement reasons that you mentioned, Kim, that are kind of difficult to

[0:35:03] Voice 14: to describe and each one is different but in some cabins as on as on mine you know they work very

[0:35:08] Voice 14: well and they just go straight on the roof but other people the roof pitch goes the other way

[0:35:12] Voice 14: and then they've got a cliff face and trees right to the edge and it's a very different scenario so

[0:35:18] Voice 14: um all that to say that um we really appreciate what you're doing here uh i think this is vital

[0:35:23] Voice 14: i think this is a really great step forward um we're very appreciative we do think that um

[0:35:29] Voice 14: The different islands will raise slightly different issues, and I obviously don't want to speak to the issues raised in respect of other islands, but for WISE, it's very much coming down to those fire emergency and power, coupled with these very narrow lots with no electricity.

[0:35:50] Voice 14: So, thanks again.

[0:35:53] Voice 3: Thank you for that, and over to you, Planner Stockdale.

[0:35:57] Voice 2: Thank you. I also wanted to mention to community members, and I should have mentioned this at the very end of my presentation, is what will the LTC or staff be doing with the information we hear today?

[0:36:10] Voice 2: I am collecting notes. There is a minute taker, but I'm collecting my own notes, and I'll be presenting this information to the LTC in terms of potential recommendations to amend the land use bylaws.

[0:36:22] Voice 2: So I just wanted to mention that what we're hearing today does shape potential amendments to the land use bylaw.

[0:36:29] Voice 2: So, you know, what you'd like to see changed.

[0:36:32] Voice 2: So thank you, Chair Peterson.

[0:36:36] Voice 3: Great. Thank you for that.

[0:36:38] Voice 3: So just to remind folks, if you would like to ask a question or make a comment, put up your electric hands, electronic hands, and I will go through that.

[0:36:50] Voice 3: But usually on your Zoom screen, there'll be a raise hand or a react function at the bottom of the screen.

[0:36:58] Voice 3: And if it's a react, then you've got to click on the react and you'll find the raise hand in there.

[0:37:04] Voice 3: I see a couple of hands up here.

[0:37:06] Voice 3: So I'll go with Dr. Charles Schell next.

[0:37:20] Voice 3: Go ahead, sir.

[0:37:33] Voice 3: Dr. Schell, I see you're unmuted, but we're not hearing you.

[0:37:38] Voice 3: Oh, the joys of technology. Dr.

[0:37:46] Voice 7: Shell, I'm going to

[0:37:47] Voice 3: come. Oh, there you are. Okay, go ahead.

[0:37:50] Voice 7: My apologies for that. Yeah. Too many microphones in front of me. I am a long-term resident of

[0:37:58] Voice 7: Parker Island, and I'm one of the directors of Parker Island Resident Holdings. We own and

[0:38:04] Voice 7: operate a lot that includes our community dock and barge landing. That community dock is owned

[0:38:14] Voice 7: by about 28 of the 33 lot owners on Parker Island. And it provides barge access to the island so that

[0:38:25] Voice 7: if somebody needs propane, they can have it delivered through that lot, whether they're a

[0:38:29] Voice 7: member or not, it provides access for hydro to their facilities, as well as to maintain

[0:38:36] Voice 7: the services on our island. At some point, it will also provide access to a company that's

[0:38:42] Voice 7: installing fiber optics onto our island. It's important for building, regardless of whether

[0:38:48] Voice 7: or not you have your own dock. And of course, it is very important for emergency services.

[0:38:54] Voice 7: The dock as well provides services to hydro and for a water taxi, water ambulance.

[0:39:02] Voice 7: We have 13 properties that have no access directly to the water because they're high bank waterfront properties.

[0:39:11] Voice 7: And yet there doesn't seem to be any kind of a special provision for community docks.

[0:39:18] Voice 7: We're having a lot of issues with dealing with BC lands with the dock.

[0:39:23] Voice 7: and our dock sits in an area that is very sensitive to because of veal grass

[0:39:32] Voice 7: and as our sole access to the rest of the world to get to work to buy groceries.

[0:39:38] Voice 7: We are very concerned that there's really no provision or assistance to be able to maintain that.

[0:39:55] Voice 3: Okay, well, thank you for that.

[0:39:56] Voice 3: that. I'm not sure if there was a question there, but no, that's a

[0:40:02] Voice 7: comment. That's principally a

[0:40:03] Voice 7: comment. I don't know if there's anything that any distinction that is planned between private

[0:40:09] Voice 7: and community docs.

[0:40:13] Voice 3: Yeah. And I know that is a distinction that's made in some jurisdictions,

[0:40:16] Voice 3: but not all, but I see trustee Maberly.

[0:40:19] Voice 11: Yeah. I was just wanting to, he said he's having issues

[0:40:22] Voice 11: with the community doc there. I was just wondering if he could sort of go through a few of those

[0:40:25] Voice 11: issues?

[0:40:28] Voice 7: Well, the principal issue is that we have a dock that is historically been used

[0:40:37] Voice 7: by Macmillan Bodell originally, I believe, as part of a log sword operation and was transferred to

[0:40:44] Voice 7: the community when the island was subdivided, became part of our holding company that now

[0:40:49] Voice 7: owns and operates it. It dries at low tides. It's sitting in an eelgrass area. And also,

[0:40:55] Voice 7: Also, we haven't been able to deal with BC Lands over the last more than a decade to try to transfer the ownership from a couple of individual shareholders to the holding company.

[0:41:08] Voice 7: So we're really in limbo with a possibility that our dock and our water lease may not be a long-term feasible solution for our island.

[0:41:21] Voice 7: So

[0:41:25] Voice 11: just a follow-up to that, then, have you on Parker Island had the exercise of looking for alternative locations?

[0:41:36] Voice 11: We have looked

[0:41:38] Voice 7: at that. There are possibilities, but that would be a major dislocation.

[0:41:43] Voice 7: And the upland access to any other property would also involve an awful lot of construction.

[0:41:51] Voice 7: construction so right now we have a viable solution that works that provides good access

[0:41:57] Voice 7: but you know to make a move like the one that suggested is really out of scope for the for a

[0:42:02] Voice 7: company that is as small and small scale as ours yeah

[0:42:08] Voice 11: no I was just asking the question I just it

[0:42:11] Voice 11: wasn't like I was recommending anything I just wanted to get some clarity okay

[0:42:18] Voice 3: thank you for

[0:42:20] Voice 3: that. Jennifer Margeson.

[0:42:30] Voice 9: Thank you. I'm just getting up to speed on the Associated Islands

[0:42:36] Voice 9: situation and as I am a member of the APC. So I just wondered if I could have a little bit of

[0:42:46] Voice 9: historical clarification on this.

[0:42:50] Voice 9: When exactly were these small islands

[0:42:56] Voice 9: subdivided into so many small lots?

[0:42:58] Voice 9: Just curious about that, including, I guess, Fillmore.

[0:43:06] Voice 3: Anyone have one take a stab at that?

[0:43:09] Voice 3: I don't

[0:43:12] Voice 2: have the information at hand,

[0:43:14] Voice 2: but that's something that I can provide to the APC

[0:43:17] Voice 2: and within a soft report to the LTC at a future meeting.

[0:43:21] Voice 9: Sure. I'm just curious about that.

[0:43:23] Voice 9: I'm sort of assuming it preceded the creation of the Islands Trust,

[0:43:29] Voice 9: but it certainly does point out the issues and impacts

[0:43:33] Voice 9: of a very small subdivision on a very finite land area.

[0:43:38] Voice 9: The other question was, I just wanted to know,

[0:43:41] Voice 9: And maybe, Kim, you would have to get back to us on this as well, but how many variances and for what have been actually granted on these small islands and Fillmore, and how many situations are there where there are structures or docks or solar panels not in compliance?

[0:44:09] Voice 9: I'm just trying to get a sense of what the current situation is.

[0:44:16] Voice 2: Through the chair, I do not have the information on how many variances, although that could be, it's relatively easy to gather that information, just take some time.

[0:44:26] Voice 2: So that's something that I can find in terms of how many currently do not meet the setbacks.

[0:44:31] Voice 2: I mean, that would mean ground truthing and so forth, but I could request information from bylaw enforcement to determine how many open bylaw enforcement files there may be for those structures within the associated islands.

[0:44:48] Voice 9: Yeah, thank you. I think it's kind of relevant just to get a sense of what the current situation or landscape is, if you will. Thank you.

[0:45:00] Voice 14: Mr. Chair, it's Duncan Reid here. Would you mind if I just...

[0:45:04] Voice 14: commented on that sure go ahead um just that i i think those are great questions i would just say

[0:45:09] Voice 14: that uh i think the on an island likewise the level of um of installations that are that don't

[0:45:18] Voice 14: comply with the land use bylaw that may or may not in some cases predate the land use bylaw

[0:45:23] Voice 14: but are not subject to enforcement uh you know is is probably quite high right i mean i think

[0:45:31] Voice 14: think you look around the island we know that there are targeted enforcement situations but

[0:45:35] Voice 14: one of the reasons uh to to the point of the question that we're here is because uh the

[0:45:41] Voice 14: concerns that have been raised because there are so many uh installations that really it's you know

[0:45:45] Voice 14: it's hard to see how they fit within the land use bylaw um and the uh the enforcement has only sort

[0:45:51] Voice 14: of taken a very small number of those great

[0:45:56] Voice 3: thank you for that perspective um next i see bob bob

[0:46:01] Voice 3: Bob Woodham.

[0:46:08] Voice 12: Yes, it's Bob Woodham here. So I'm a property owner and resident of Wise Island.

[0:46:15] Voice 12: My wife and I have owned property there since 1984. So for some, we're Johnny-come-lately.

[0:46:20] Voice 12: For others, we're elders and old-timers. I think Duncan has done a great job of highlighting the

[0:46:26] Voice 12: current issues with respect to Wise Island. It's a bit personal because our lot featured in a couple

[0:46:33] Voice 12: of the slides that were presented and although we've not yet been uh approached by the islands

[0:46:39] Voice 12: trust it would be certainly the case that our stairs to the water and our solar panels would

[0:46:44] Voice 12: not be in compliance i've written letters in support of variance requests for our neighbors

[0:46:52] Voice 12: and i would sort of particularize what duncan said uh i would not live i would not have our

[0:46:59] Voice 12: property if we didn't have stairs to the water because in a fire we would be trapped

[0:47:03] Voice 12: And that's not the way I plan to exit this part of the universe.

[0:47:09] Voice 12: But in more general terms, I want to applaud what's happening.

[0:47:14] Voice 12: My general principle is the more local governance, the better opportunity to create solutions that actually work.

[0:47:25] Voice 12: So in the history, the major hassles that we have faced has not been with the islands trust until recently.

[0:47:32] Voice 12: It's been with the capital regional district.

[0:47:34] Voice 12: So the long-standing fight that we had was over composting toilets.

[0:47:39] Voice 12: We, for the first 20-plus years of our property, lived with an outhouse

[0:47:43] Voice 12: because we could not get approval for a composting toilet,

[0:47:46] Voice 12: whereas an outhouse was grandfathered.

[0:47:49] Voice 12: And the frustration was that the person who rewrote the composting toilet bylaws

[0:47:56] Voice 12: for the Capital Regional District was our former neighbor on Wise Island,

[0:47:59] Voice 12: and the folks weren't even aware of what the current regulations were.

[0:48:02] Voice 12: But that's history.

[0:48:03] Voice 12: tree uh but what it's meant for me and boss we haven't really done anything with our property

[0:48:08] Voice 12: in all these years because we could never do it in a way that was compliant and one of my letters

[0:48:14] Voice 12: i wrote some years ago said you know what's permitted makes sense and what makes sense

[0:48:18] Voice 12: isn't permitted and that's a problem um even you know getting saying well you know our cliff is

[0:48:25] Voice 12: not child safe you gotta put fencing all along your cliff front which of course it's not child

[0:48:30] Voice 12: I'll say if it's a cliff, but if it required fencing,

[0:48:34] Voice 12: it would not be the property that we want.

[0:48:40] Voice 12: So local governance is great.

[0:48:43] Voice 12: I applaud the Islands Trust considering associated islands

[0:48:48] Voice 12: as being a little bit different.

[0:48:50] Voice 12: And my general concerned request would be some form of governance

[0:48:57] Voice 12: governance which allows for solutions that make sense in the local circumstance. And I know we

[0:49:05] Voice 12: all live under umbrellas of more general regulations that we have to comply with,

[0:49:10] Voice 12: and the governance is definitely overlapping, but things have to make sense. The CRD that says we

[0:49:17] Voice 12: need a community septic field so that everybody can have a composting toilet that does overflow

[0:49:23] Voice 12: flow into a common septic that would absolutely not make sense for the island i'm assuming that's

[0:49:28] Voice 12: a dead issue uh so i'm here as a property owner probably we're aging out so we're probably not

[0:49:34] Voice 12: going to be a property owner for that that much longer uh rest of our family doesn't live in this

[0:49:38] Voice 12: part of the world uh but wise island has been a wonderful community uh by and large neighbors

[0:49:46] Voice 12: have gotten along and we worked out things reasonably well uh some of the issues that

[0:49:51] Voice 12: around the table are complaint driven and the island trust has to respond of course but i'm

[0:49:57] Voice 12: speaking in support of as much as possible giving local officials the opportunity to

[0:50:06] Voice 12: come up with solutions call them variances if you like uh that makes sense not force things

[0:50:14] Voice 12: onto people that really don't make sense even though they comply with some set of guidelines

[0:50:20] Voice 12: line some sort of regulations thank you well

[0:50:24] Voice 3: thank you for that and uh before i go to planner

[0:50:27] Voice 3: stockdale i just wanted to touch on the the issue around composting toilets uh islands trust has uh

[0:50:34] Voice 3: sponsored a couple of um resolutions at the union bc municipalities to request the province uh look

[0:50:41] Voice 3: at updating um the rules around composting toilets because they are currently quite archaic

[0:50:48] Voice 3: and to your other point about locally-based regulation.

[0:50:57] Voice 3: I think the intent of this project is to do that to the best of our ability

[0:51:02] Voice 3: within, as you say, the strictures imposed by other levels of government.

[0:51:08] Voice 3: And over to Planner Stockdale.

[0:51:10] Voice 12: Can I just add one thing?

[0:51:13] Voice 12: Sure.

[0:51:13] Voice 12: Yeah, I forgot to mention this, but being an elder,

[0:51:17] Voice 12: I can answer in part Jennifer's question.

[0:51:18] Voice 12: So Wise Island was subdivided into its current lot structure in 1968, and I believe that predates the island's trust.

[0:51:27] Voice 12: Certainly does. Yes. Thank you.

[0:51:31] Voice 2: Kim.

[0:51:32] Voice 3: Yep.

[0:51:33] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[0:51:34] Voice 2: Bob, if you don't mind, I really appreciate your comments and actually everybody's comments to date so far.

[0:51:40] Voice 2: But question for you. So, obviously, I've heard that stairs are certainly important for some Wise Island property owners to do fire safety concerns. Would you support allowing stairs within the natural boundary of the sea for all Wise Island property owners or only specific properties that perhaps need those stairs down to the foreshore?

[0:52:06] Voice 2: or do you see it more as a case-by-case,

[0:52:08] Voice 2: somebody comes forward and applies for a variance?

[0:52:12] Voice 12: Well, I would see it as a case-by-case,

[0:52:15] Voice 12: but with perhaps a lighter weight process

[0:52:17] Voice 12: than formally applying for a variance

[0:52:19] Voice 12: and spending a lot of money and getting surveys

[0:52:22] Voice 12: and taking a lot of time.

[0:52:24] Voice 12: So I don't like blanket rules.

[0:52:27] Voice 12: That's a kind of idiosyncrasy.

[0:52:30] Voice 12: But I also don't like special cases

[0:52:33] Voice 12: being incredibly bureaucratic, incredibly expensive,

[0:52:36] Voice 12: which discourages people from doing things properly

[0:52:38] Voice 12: and just encourages them to do them on their own.

[0:52:40] Voice 12: And I can add to what I said.

[0:52:41] Voice 12: We now have a composting toilet and it has never been permitted,

[0:52:45] Voice 12: but it's much better set up than it was with our outhouse.

[0:52:48] Voice 2: Great. Thank you.

[0:52:53] Voice 3: Okay, well, some good conversation here so far.

[0:52:57] Voice 3: We've got another hour scheduled here.

[0:53:00] Voice 3: So if anyone would like to raise anything else,

[0:53:05] Voice 3: again the raise hand function should be on the bottom of your zoom screen either as raise hand or

[0:53:12] Voice 3: in some cases or react and click on the react and you'll see a raise hand inside there

[0:53:18] Voice 3: uh mr woodham i see your hand up again i'm

[0:53:23] Voice 12: just sorry it shouldn't be i meant to lower

[0:53:24] Voice 12: apologies oh

[0:53:26] Voice 3: yeah no problem that happens and yeah it's sometimes they're a little bit sticky

[0:53:32] Voice 3: um okay uh jennifer margeson do you have another question or comment yes

[0:53:43] Voice 9: uh just another question

[0:53:44] Voice 9: i'm sorry hope i'm not the only one asking questions here but um i i have never been to

[0:53:50] Voice 9: wise island um and i i'm not entirely clear of the actual size of the island but um i i just

[0:53:58] Voice 9: wanted to ask um given the um topography of the island and the size is it an island where it's

[0:54:05] Voice 9: possible to have a community dock that would meet the um emergency and um i guess you know

[0:54:15] Voice 9: getting things on to the island those requirements of the island or um as is the case um uh i believe

[0:54:25] Voice 9: bit Fillmore Mr.

[0:54:30] Voice 14: Chair would you like me to to respond to that I

[0:54:34] Voice 3: was just going to suggest

[0:54:35] Voice 3: someone from Wise Island is probably best place to answer that go ahead please sure

[0:54:39] Voice 14: we we um that's

[0:54:41] Voice 14: a great great question Jennifer we we do have uh two community docks uh that provide the majority

[0:54:48] Voice 14: of of normal course uh access to to Wise Island for for Islanders so we have a really a very

[0:54:56] Voice 14: minimal number of of private docks um so just to go back to what wise island look looks like i

[0:55:04] Voice 14: think it's 50 properties total they tend to be about a third of an acre 0.3 to 0.45 of an acre

[0:55:11] Voice 14: um they're all waterfront uh and they're because of that uh there's there's a nail a narrow trail

[0:55:19] Voice 14: uh down the center of the island that uh that connects the properties uh uh behind but all

[0:55:25] Voice 14: the properties sort of front onto the water and they're and they're quite narrow uh as a result

[0:55:31] Voice 14: um people do use the two community docks that are either end uh you know the vast majority of

[0:55:38] Voice 14: islanders use those docks those who don't have uh private docks of which i would say there are less

[0:55:43] Voice 14: than less than five i'd have to i'd have to count them to be sure but it's it's it's a small number

[0:55:49] Voice 14: um and uh those are those are critical for kind of daily use but they don't um they don't

[0:55:56] Voice 14: necessarily work in in a fire or an emergency because that's when uh the access to the water

[0:56:03] Voice 14: right in front of the particular property uh is what's necessary and and that's where i think it

[0:56:09] Voice 14: really is kind of imperative that the wise island properties have access to the to the water and uh

[0:56:15] Voice 14: And that's where we have some of the issues with the stair access, because those are part of our fire plan, and they're part of people's personal emergency plans as well.

[0:56:27] Voice 14: Thank

[0:56:31] Voice 3: you for that. Before I go on here, Plenus Doctile, I'm hoping you can put up

[0:56:38] Voice 3: one of the slides with the questions for discussion on there, and then maybe that'll

[0:56:45] Voice 3: help generate some more thoughts from folks. Absolutely.

[0:56:54] Voice 3: And Jennifer, I see your hand is still up, and also Duncan. So go ahead, Jennifer.

[0:57:00] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:57:01] Voice 9: just a follow-up question, I guess, would be how many, if everyone on Wise Island, just as an example, I realize that's not the only island we're talking about, but appreciate the fact that we have Wise Island residents here.

[0:57:19] Voice 9: year uh how many um docks currently exist and how many would likely be desired just again to

[0:57:33] Voice 9: try and get a little bit of perspective on this i

[0:57:36] Voice 14: mean i think i think it's fair to say that wise

[0:57:38] Voice 14: island is is pretty close to fully developed at this point um because it was subdivided in the 60s

[0:57:45] Voice 14: And then a lot of the building activity happened in the in the 70s and early 80s.

[0:57:52] Voice 14: You know, there are from time to time new properties or replacement properties, but there's not like an avalanche of people waiting to put in docks.

[0:58:04] Voice 14: It's just not the topography doesn't really work for that because of the exposure within Trincomalee Channel.

[0:58:11] Voice 14: channel. You can't have a dock on the long side of the island, on the southwest side of the island.

[0:58:17] Voice 14: You can't really have a dock on that side of the island. It's just far too exposed

[0:58:22] Voice 14: in Trincomalee. And there are only a handful of bays where a dock can be tucked into. There's

[0:58:31] Voice 14: one dock that is a little more exposed where the owner has been there for decades. And the

[0:58:38] Voice 14: the owner has taken measures to sort of shield that dock um with uh from from the prevailing

[0:58:44] Voice 14: weather but it's uh i don't think that there's any i'm not aware of anyone wanting to build any

[0:58:50] Voice 14: new docks um i haven't heard anything like that i i don't think there are many places where you

[0:58:55] Voice 14: even could uh do so uh considering the exposure it'd be very difficult uh to do so i i think just

[0:59:04] Voice 14: Just to put this in the context that the real issue here is sort of managing the uncertainty around what the enforcement actions a few years ago triggered,

[0:59:17] Voice 14: which was really getting at people's ability to access the island and to feel safe on the island and to have the ability to service their properties with solar electricity.

[0:59:28] Voice 14: uh it's not it's not that there's a desire to all of a sudden go ahead and do some massive

[0:59:34] Voice 14: development uh on wise island because i just i'm not aware of of anything like that and and bob and

[0:59:41] Voice 14: others can can speak to that as well but uh this is very much a uh a defensive sort of position

[0:59:48] Voice 14: from from a wise islander perspective just want to make sure that what is there now is not subject

[0:59:54] Voice 14: to enforcement attack that is sort of fundamentally unsettling and unpredictable.

[1:00:00] Voice 9: Yeah, sorry. Probably docks was the wrong word, because I think, as you've mentioned before, stairs.

[1:00:07] Voice 9: Right, right.

[1:00:08] Voice 9: Certain situations provide access where a dock wouldn't be suitable.

[1:00:13] Voice 9: And the solar panel situation as well.

[1:00:16] Voice 9: Most

[1:00:17] Voice 14: properties have stairs.

[1:00:19] Voice 14: I haven't counted, and that's something we can do, but most properties have stairs to, most developed properties have stairs to access the water for that reason.

[1:00:30] Voice 9: thank

[1:00:31] Voice 3: you well that's great I see a couple a couple new hands up and for

[1:00:40] Voice 3: anyone who's having trying to look at the questions for discussions if you put

[1:00:48] Voice 3: your mouse pointer on the where the discussion document sort of joins up

[1:01:00] Voice 3: with the line with the uh the pictures of people you can slide that around and either expand or

[1:01:08] Voice 3: shrink the uh the portion that has the questions listed on there so i'm going to go over to um

[1:01:16] Voice 3: jillian i think it is and please go ahead um

[1:01:20] Voice 1: hi there um i'm also a member of the

[1:01:23] Voice 1: advisory planning commission and i'm finding this really interesting and helpful i'm just wondering

[1:01:29] Voice 1: if there are representatives from some of the other associated islands on this zoom meeting

[1:01:36] Voice 1: and if so if they could uh chime in and let us know some of their issues just so we have a

[1:01:43] Voice 1: broader idea of of um what some of the more specific issues might be on each of the individual

[1:01:49] Voice 1: associated islands yeah

[1:01:53] Voice 3: thank you for that that would definitely be helpful we've heard from

[1:01:56] Voice 3: parker and wise but of course there's several others i see uh seth yes

[1:02:05] Voice 8: hello uh can you hear

[1:02:07] Voice 8: me yeah we

[1:02:09] Voice 3: can go ahead please okay

[1:02:11] Voice 8: um just to clarify what duncan reed said i'm i'm seth

[1:02:14] Voice 8: gustafson i'm on wise island uh my family's been on this island since 1969 um and just to verify

[1:02:22] Voice 8: with the docs there are two applications for docs right now on wise island and they've been in they've

[1:02:29] Voice 8: been in the system for five years going now we've been waiting to hear just to clarify that right

[1:02:37] Voice 3: yeah okay thank you for that and of course um probably most people

[1:02:42] Voice 3: on the call

[1:02:43] Voice 14: the community

[1:02:44] Voice 14: docs or the or the private private docs certainly the community docs have a long-standing

[1:02:49] Voice 14: application that's waiting for approval that's sort of stuck in the approval process but that's

[1:02:55] Voice 14: the community docs uh rather than the private if there's private ones i'm not aware of those

[1:02:59] Voice 14: but I defer to you sir yeah

[1:03:06] Voice 3: and I think most most people know but for those that

[1:03:11] Voice 3: don't that the province has a moratorium on any new docks in the Senegal

[1:03:16] Voice 3: filings at this point it's not clear at this point what what considerations that

[1:03:25] Voice 3: they might be looking at in terms of either extending that moratorium or

[1:03:31] Voice 3: or ending it, or reorganizing the sort of structure

[1:03:37] Voice 3: and approval process at this point.

[1:03:40] Voice 3: But I see Trustee Maberly, go ahead.

[1:03:42] Voice 11: Yeah, just on that.

[1:03:43] Voice 11: So there's supposed to be boat access only

[1:03:49] Voice 11: and community facilities are technically not in that moratorium.

[1:03:55] Voice 11: So it's just most of those applications are just taking a long time

[1:04:00] Voice 11: to work themselves through the process.

[1:04:02] Right.

[1:04:04] Voice 3: Yes. And of course, the grind of getting through the process.

[1:04:12] Voice 3: OK, so I'm looking to see if there's anyone else would like to ask a question or make a comment here on the call today.

[1:04:22] Voice 3: There's a number of people here, but I'm not seeing any hands up at the moment.

[1:04:35] Voice 2: Chair Peterson, if I may, I've lost my ability,

[1:04:39] Voice 2: I think, to put my hand up now with my presentation on the screen.

[1:04:43] Voice 2: So, yeah, it'd be really helpful to hear

[1:04:45] Voice 2: from other owners in Fillmore Point or Gossip Island just to hear if they or if they've heard from their neighbors of any issues they're having with the current land use bylaw.

[1:04:58] Voice 2: Because this is the reason why we're having this meeting.

[1:05:00] Voice 2: we really want to hear from you so we can make these uh suggested amendments to land use bylaw

[1:05:06] Voice 2: so is there anything else that you see or that there's been struggles with that maybe

[1:05:11] Voice 2: you could suggest um that would be wonderful yeah

[1:05:21] Voice 3: exactly the more we can uh the more we can

[1:05:24] Voice 3: hear from folks and of course um as you mentioned in your presentation that uh if if folks are more

[1:05:31] Voice 3: more comfortable thinking about this and uh sending an email or getting in touch um later on

[1:05:38] Voice 3: um that is also totally fine but we do have a fair we've still got a fair stretch of time

[1:05:45] Voice 3: scheduled here today to um to hear from anyone else that would like to um like to either ask

[1:05:52] Voice 3: questions or or tell us their um their thoughts on these these issues here and

[1:05:59] Voice 2: some that i've

[1:05:59] Voice 2: I've heard, of course, if I may share, is solar

[1:06:05] Voice 2: panels and stairs.

[1:06:07] Voice 2: And again, is there, you know, would you, if this is something the LTC is going to consider allowing for certain islands or properties, is there certain size restrictions that you'd like to see?

[1:06:19] Voice 2: Or again, would you like to see only properties that required in certain situations if there's a steep slope or not in other situations?

[1:06:27] Voice 2: Should it be a blanket allowance or not a blanket allowance?

[1:06:34] Voice 3: Yeah, no, that's a very good consideration.

[1:06:36] Voice 3: And thank you for that.

[1:06:37] Voice 3: I do see Alison Bolton's hand up.

[1:06:40] Voice 3: So please go ahead.

[1:06:43] Voice 10: Hello there.

[1:06:44] Voice 10: Yes, I am a resident and owner on Wise Island.

[1:06:47] Voice 10: So just speaking up in two points.

[1:06:50] Voice 10: One, really happy that this is happening.

[1:06:52] Voice 10: This is great that the smaller islands that don't fit typical Islands Trust zoning are being considered for, as Bob mentioned, common sense planning.

[1:07:03] Voice 10: We are one of the properties on the Trincomalee Channel side.

[1:07:09] Voice 10: So we are also the side that does not have docks and that we're at the end where the dock is a tide dependent dock.

[1:07:18] Voice 10: so if there was a fire or an emergency when it is low tide we cannot use our boat to leave so

[1:07:26] Voice 10: we understand the concern and unfortunately it's you know it's becoming as Duncan alluded to

[1:07:34] Voice 10: fear of forest fires every year and so I'm speaking up in support that the stairs are

[1:07:40] Voice 10: something to definitely consider and solar panels because we don't want to be burning fossil fuels

[1:07:46] Voice 10: to keep lights on. And we don't want to be burning fossil fuels and we don't want to be cutting down

[1:07:53] Voice 10: trees to put up solar panels where we have loads of sunshine that we just need to place closer than

[1:08:01] Voice 10: currently allowed to the setbacks. So I think it is a common sense thing. I don't think many people

[1:08:09] Voice 10: on this call want to be cutting down trees or burning more fossil fuels. So it's taking that

[1:08:14] Voice 10: into consideration of what is more important. And I think the more renewable resources we can

[1:08:20] Voice 10: save, but then also renewable energy that we can use should be a focus and something that we should

[1:08:26] Voice 10: be proud of trying to achieve. So thank you very much again.

[1:08:32] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you for that. I see Todd

[1:08:35] Voice 3: Rogers.

[1:08:40] Voice 4: Hello there. Can you hear me?

[1:08:43] Voice 3: We can, please go ahead.

[1:08:45] Voice 4: Yeah, Todd Rogers, property

[1:08:47] Voice 4: property owner on Wise Island. Just one of the comments we were going to make here is with

[1:08:53] Voice 4: respect to the stairs, decks, landings, and so forth. One of the construction, what would you

[1:09:03] Voice 4: call it? Methods, if you will, is nothing has been done here that I'm aware of anyways, that is a

[1:09:12] Voice 4: permanent fixture. So there isn't concrete being poured and rebar being left in concrete and

[1:09:23] Voice 4: upsetting that part of the environment for stairs to secure. Everything that is being done has been

[1:09:31] Voice 4: done in a method that there is in X number of years, whenever cedar wood rots or falls off,

[1:09:39] Voice 4: there literally will be nothing left so so in these structures that are that are in that zone

[1:09:49] Voice 4: there really is nothing that is you know quote unquote permanent but i just wanted to put that

[1:09:55] Voice 4: point out there too that um i know some some various places that i've seen around not necessarily

[1:10:04] Voice 4: in the southern gulf islands but up and down the coast there's some substantial structures

[1:10:09] Voice 4: that are more than permanent they'll be here for many lifetimes where on these small lots

[1:10:16] Voice 4: what I have seen what people are doing are are very very low impact

[1:10:23] Voice 4: with you know cedar wood and and a pin on the rock I guess that I just wanted to make that

[1:10:32] Voice 4: point there yeah

[1:10:35] Voice 3: thank you for that and I think that's that could be a consideration

[1:10:39] Voice 3: consideration uh potentially um if we're looking at um uh at the land use uh the certain things

[1:10:48] Voice 3: like that could be uh spelled out there are things that are um you know not necessarily long-term

[1:10:56] Voice 3: huge concrete anchors and stuff like the the size and the scope of that might that might be part of

[1:11:02] Voice 3: one of the considerations um so i'm not seeing any more hands up but i would encourage anyone

[1:11:09] Voice 3: anyone who has a question or a comment to go ahead and do so and I see Jennifer again

[1:11:19] Voice 9: sorry uh but just another question for the island's property owners who are here

[1:11:26] Voice 9: um just in regard to the the not the setback from the sea but the other side um um boundary

[1:11:35] Voice 9: setbacks. I'm just wondering how small island property owners feel about some kind of change

[1:11:44] Voice 9: in that in terms of perhaps impact on your own privacy or on the view sweep that you have if a

[1:11:55] Voice 9: neighbour and property owner were to put up some kind of structure that is currently closer than

[1:12:02] Voice 9: than the setback allowed.

[1:12:04] Voice 9: Just wondering if there are any concerns about that

[1:12:07] Voice 9: from property owners and what comments you might make.

[1:12:13] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:12:15] Voice 3: Good question.

[1:12:16] Voice 3: I see Duncan.

[1:12:19] Voice 14: Yes, thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

[1:12:22] Voice 14: It's a great question and one that we've talked about

[1:12:26] Voice 14: quite a lot on the Island and there's not generally much

[1:12:30] Voice 14: if any appetite to change the side setbacks

[1:12:34] Voice 14: because they're kind of how we, you know, respect our neighbors

[1:12:39] Voice 14: and make sure that there is privacy on the island.

[1:12:44] Voice 14: So by and large, there's been support for leaving those as is

[1:12:49] Voice 14: and frankly, leaving the foreshore setbacks, you know,

[1:12:56] Voice 14: may be able to be left in place as is as well.

[1:12:59] Voice 14: But it's a question of what exceptions there are to permit access and solar panels and all the good stuff that we've been talking about.

[1:13:09] Voice 14: But generally, the approach has been more to have exceptions for those things rather than to do away with them or anything radical like that.

[1:13:19] Voice 14: and certainly for the the side setbacks uh i think there's been a sense of uh you know let's make

[1:13:25] Voice 14: sure that the community preserves its ability to to have some degree of separation between the

[1:13:30] Voice 14: properties and so there hasn't been um any any real uh desire to change uh change the approach

[1:13:37] Voice 14: on the side setbacks great

[1:13:40] Voice 3: thank you for that trustee maberly yeah

[1:13:44] Voice 11: along those lines um i would

[1:13:47] Voice 11: I just sort of could get some idea from you, Duncan, on the sort of the size of the solar panel construction that's needed to run a house.

[1:13:59] Voice 14: Thanks. Yeah, we've done a little bit of work on that.

[1:14:02] Voice 14: And Todd may be able to speak more knowledgeably to that.

[1:14:05] Voice 14: I know we submitted something a year or two ago where we actually looked at it in terms of square meters and what was necessary for the number of panels.

[1:14:14] Voice 14: panels and some houses have or some cabins because i mean obviously the wet's island these

[1:14:21] Voice 14: these houses are very small uh some run off a very limited solar and some have a little bit more

[1:14:26] Voice 14: modern systems but um that's certainly something we can follow up and dig out that

[1:14:31] Voice 14: that analysis we did a couple years ago on the size um that is that is necessary with just a

[1:14:38] Voice 14: configuration of a few standard solar panels uh todd i don't know if you recall um offhand what

[1:14:46] Voice 14: what that size was but we can certainly have it and send it to you go

[1:14:55] Voice 3: ahead todd yeah

[1:14:58] Voice 4: hi there i

[1:14:59] Voice 4: just took myself off mute um yeah we looked at that and i can dig that back up again the size

[1:15:06] Voice 4: is is somewhat it's difficult to put a one size fits all if you will just because of

[1:15:13] Voice 4: the orientation of the solar panels yeah like for instance on my size on my side of the island we

[1:15:20] Voice 4: can get away with three or four because we get a substantial amount of sunshine on this side where

[1:15:27] Voice 4: if you are on the opposite side of the island you perhaps might need six panels to to get capture

[1:15:36] Voice 4: that sun because it's it's you know comes across the other way we can't change the way the sun goes

[1:15:40] Voice 4: um so i we can i can certainly dig that back up and get a a i think we were working on like a

[1:15:48] Voice 4: kilowatt hour type thing and then we can translate that into size but they're certainly not they're

[1:15:56] Voice 4: not a giant solar array by any means like three panels or six panels um depending on which side

[1:16:05] Voice 4: and which orientation that's a that's a a lot of power that you get for a small cabin

[1:16:10] Voice 4: right

[1:16:14] Voice 3: thank you for that um trustee maverly yeah

[1:16:18] Voice 11: thank you chair yeah i was just if we were going

[1:16:20] Voice 11: to have a discussion um later on about sort of what the limit of the size of the of the solar

[1:16:26] Voice 11: installation would be um rather than just having a you know a blanket whatever size right just

[1:16:33] Voice 11: um i think that would be part of the discussion later on on putting a limit on that on just the

[1:16:39] Voice 11: size of that structure so i just wanted to get a little bit of feedback on on that from um the

[1:16:44] Voice 11: residents to the islands because of course you'd know better what you need to uh to um run your

[1:16:52] Voice 11: cabins yeah

[1:16:55] Voice 3: and uh living uh i'll just say living in a off-grid area myself um we rely on solar

[1:17:02] Voice 3: panels. And one thing I know is that there is a difference between the more modern panels,

[1:17:10] Voice 3: which can produce a lot more juice from a smaller size and some of the older ones. So it can vary

[1:17:18] Voice 3: quite widely. And that's certainly a factor. And I see Duncan.

[1:17:24] Voice 14: Yeah, no, I just just to say that

[1:17:26] Voice 14: I think that's great. And we should we should absolutely help you with that information. I'm

[1:17:31] Voice 14: I'm just recalling as we talk about this that we also distinguished between at-grade and above-grade

[1:17:38] Voice 14: and trying to be very cautious with the above-grade ones because they certainly can be a little bit more intrusive.

[1:17:47] Voice 14: And so when we looked at this a couple of years ago, we'd actually distinguished that.

[1:17:50] Voice 14: So again, Trustee Maberly, we'll dig that out and send it through to the trustees and to Kim.

[1:17:58] Voice 3: Great. That would be definitely helpful.

[1:18:01] Voice 3: Planner Stockdale.

[1:18:04] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[1:18:05] Voice 2: Great discussion.

[1:18:07] Voice 2: Yes, I believe I was CC'd on some of the size limits previously, so I'll see if I can find that information as well.

[1:18:15] Voice 2: Question for property owners of Fillmore, Parker and Gossip.

[1:18:22] Voice 2: up. If there were, if the LTC were to consider allowing solar panels within the setback to the

[1:18:29] Voice 2: natural sea for a certain size on Wise Island, is this something that should be perhaps extended to

[1:18:36] Voice 2: other associated islands? Or because Wise Island, you know, primarily solely relies on solar panel

[1:18:44] Voice 2: other than hydro, is it more of a need for just Wise Island? I'm curious from other property

[1:18:50] Voice 2: owners.

[1:18:58] Voice 3: Dr. Shaw.

[1:19:01] Voice 7: Yeah, I would say Parker Island, we don't have the same challenges because

[1:19:05] Voice 7: most of our properties are, but not all, are connected to hydro. That's not to say that

[1:19:13] Voice 7: other properties might not want to add supplementary solar panels. Our properties are larger,

[1:19:20] Voice 7: But we do have some that, because of natural orientation to the sun, it might be difficult to place them someplace other than closer to the water.

[1:19:36] Voice 7: One whole side of Parker Island is north-facing.

[1:19:39] Voice 7: That means that solar panels would only have access for a few hours of the day, mostly in the morning.

[1:19:47] Voice 7: So it's a possibility, but not nearly the issue that we'd see on other islands, perhaps like Wyes and the smaller islands.

[1:19:57] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:20:08] Voice 3: Trustee Mabry.

[1:20:09] Voice 11: Yeah, and just a follow-up question on the stairs.

[1:20:15] Voice 11: So I see when we went through the slide, we saw not just stairs, but cantilever platforms.

[1:20:23] Voice 11: And I think there will probably be some discussion coming on, on what the LTC would be looking at in these, in this project. And so just some comments back on, from the Islanders on the cantilevered platforms. That would be helpful. Thank you.

[1:20:54] Voice 14: It's Duncan here.

[1:20:55] Voice 14: I mean, I'll take a stab at that and open to comments from many of the other islanders who are on here.

[1:21:00] Voice 14: But many of those are integrated platforms into the stairs.

[1:21:06] Voice 14: In many cases, they've been there, whether they're cantilevered or not.

[1:21:10] Voice 14: Some are built into the landscape.

[1:21:12] Voice 14: Some are cantilevered.

[1:21:13] Voice 14: Some of them go back 50 years.

[1:21:18] Voice 14: And some of them are newer, date back 20, 25 years.

[1:21:23] Voice 14: So you've got a whole range of things there. They're generally a part of the stair system. They are certainly integral to people's usage of the property. And so I don't know that people are necessarily looking for an expansion of the zoning to allow for more such things.

[1:21:42] Voice 14: But I think it would obviously be very important to Wise Islanders to know that they're not going to have, you know, a deck taken away that they've had as part of their sort of access and enjoyment of their property for, you know, 20, 30, 40 years taken away because of an enforcement issue.

[1:21:59] Voice 14: So trying to find a balance there so that there's, you know, maybe some fairly strict limits going forward, but also, you know, recognizing that what's there now, it's very difficult to take away things that are integrated into people's use and enjoyment of their properties.

[1:22:26] Voice 3: Saw your hand up a little earlier there. I just wondered if you had anything else to add. And if not, that's okay as well.

[1:22:40] Voice 3: um we'll just remind folks uh if you'd like to speak but you haven't um been able to figure out

[1:22:48] Voice 3: the the raise hand function is um located on the bottom of your zoom screen in some cases it will

[1:22:57] Voice 3: be um you will have to have a react um button first that you have to click and then once you've

[1:23:04] Voice 3: click the react button there'll be a raised hand inside of there uh over you trustee maverly yeah

[1:23:11] Voice 11: thank you just trying to think up some questions here to spur some conversation and and just go

[1:23:15] Voice 11: over some of the um issues that you know we've been um sort of running across over the years i

[1:23:21] Voice 11: know we had an application earlier about a um a ramp for wheelchair access at fillmore point

[1:23:28] Voice 11: And so just wondered if there was any from Parker and Wise, sort of any comments around that sort of thing as well.

[1:23:39] Voice 11: I know Trustee Gavreau is working on the Accessibility Committee.

[1:23:45] Voice 11: And, you know, it's just something that we have to keep in mind now.

[1:23:51] Voice 11: But I wonder if there was any comments from either of those islands on that.

[1:24:09] Voice 14: It's Duncan Reid here.

[1:24:10] Voice 14: I mean, I'll just say that, you know, I don't want to take up too much airtime here, but I will just say that certainly with some aging owners and, you know, Bob Woodham mentioned this, that, you know, we do have a number of older owners and certainly accessibility is a challenge on an island likewise.

[1:24:32] Voice 14: wise i think we've got pretty good infrastructure now um so i don't think anyone's looking to

[1:24:39] Voice 14: you know or it's it's not like there's a groundswell of additions to to that infrastructure

[1:24:45] Voice 14: but there is uh uh certainly an importance of having the infrastructure that we have now with

[1:24:50] Voice 14: the stairs and the community docks etc to access the properties that in the way it was done in the

[1:24:57] Voice 14: the 80s with people climbing off the back of boats uh tied buoys to and getting into small

[1:25:03] Voice 14: boats and then pulling those boats up the rocks and so on uh that simply wouldn't be doable for

[1:25:08] Voice 14: many of the owners now who in many cases were the same owners in the 80s who were uh able to do so

[1:25:14] Voice 14: back then but wouldn't be able to do so now um

[1:25:21] Voice 3: i see uh rob uh karn or karni and uh why don't you

[1:25:32] Voice 5: It's Rob Karn from Parker Island.

[1:25:34] Voice 5: And Parker is quite, quite different than other islands

[1:25:39] Voice 5: in regards to our own needs for our own lots.

[1:25:43] Voice 5: As Estrella said earlier, there's a number of us that use a community dock

[1:25:47] Voice 5: and there's a number that have individual docks on their properties.

[1:25:51] Voice 5: But because the lot sizes are quite a bit larger,

[1:25:54] Voice 5: the effect on the water scape from the water side is quite different

[1:25:59] Voice 5: because the docks even on if everybody had one that would be maybe 100 meters or more apart.

[1:26:06] Voice 5: As to the solar panels, we personally have solar. We had it before power was

[1:26:14] Voice 5: extended to all the lots on the island which is the case now and we just had four panels and

[1:26:21] Voice 5: we run all the lights and except appliances are mostly propane but you can get away with that

[1:26:27] Voice 5: whereas I have a neighbor who has 80 panels on an array who runs every conceivable plant.

[1:26:34] Voice 5: So I think just having a size, and again it may have been Duncan who mentioned the change

[1:26:39] Voice 5: in technology. We upgraded our panels recently and it's like an order of magnitude better

[1:26:46] Voice 5: response to sun. So modern technology has reduced the need. Really what's most important

[1:26:55] Voice 5: is proximity from the panels to your battery bank or your inverter because you have a lot of

[1:27:03] Voice 5: problems with line loss. So we don't have the same issues that you have in Wise again because

[1:27:09] Voice 5: their lots are larger and generally most people are using hydro. One concern I have is that there

[1:27:16] Voice 5: doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion about community docks and each of Fillmore, Gossip,

[1:27:23] Voice 5: wise and Parker has community docks and I might question the trustee Mayberry's account of

[1:27:33] Voice 5: community docks are not it's part of moratorium that is not the case ours lease actually expired

[1:27:40] Voice 5: in 2018 and we've been trying since 2017 to have it renewed and again this is not Islands Trust

[1:27:47] Voice 5: trust doing it was BC lands and then I'm sure he more

[1:27:51] Voice 5: looks after that sort of stuff,

[1:27:53] Voice 5: but it's just on pause until the land claims settlements,

[1:27:56] Voice 5: many for the Coast Salish and in our case,

[1:28:00] Voice 5: Penelope are all settled.

[1:28:03] Voice 5: And I don't have an issue with that, but that is the case.

[1:28:06] Voice 5: And as we go into the future,

[1:28:10] Voice 5: the preexisting lease that we have is no longer available.

[1:28:13] Voice 5: And this is, again, not the jurisdiction of the province, so it doesn't seem to be clear as to whether we'll be grandfathered.

[1:28:24] Voice 5: And again, like some of these other leases, we're a bit constricted, as Charles mentioned, by water depth and would not be in compliance.

[1:28:33] Voice 5: And other locations would involve, there are easements to the water that were provided as part of the original subdivision.

[1:28:41] Voice 5: subdivision but there are a lot of old growth seeded forests so I'm the only one that's

[1:28:47] Voice 5: really acceptable and you know the toss-up really is do you worry about the amortized zone

[1:28:53] Voice 5: more than you worry about you know three or four acres of old growth forest

[1:28:58] Voice 5: to be cleared to provide access and again in Parker our access is by road to most of our

[1:29:07] Voice 5: a lot. So that's a PCI right away facility. But again, for safety, the only place that we can

[1:29:16] Voice 5: really access a hovercraft for an evacuation is from the barge landing adjacent to our community

[1:29:23] Voice 5: dock. It's an issue that will come forward with regimes of setbacks and things. How do you deal

[1:29:29] Voice 5: with the barge landing? You know, it's always under water. Anyway, that's about the only

[1:29:34] Voice 5: comments i have so i'll just throw this out but i think there is has to be some consideration again

[1:29:39] Voice 5: from uh the four outlying islands uh there's others julia and others of course that are much

[1:29:44] Voice 5: smaller uh but uh we all all of these settings have to be on a meeting because there is um

[1:29:51] Voice 5: more serious so i'll leave it at that for my comment well

[1:29:58] Voice 3: thank you for that i have a

[1:30:00] Voice 3: question around the um the barge landing that you just mentioned is that um is is that uh uh

[1:30:08] Voice 3: is there a license of uh of uh occupation of the foreshore on that or is that held by

[1:30:13] Voice 3: an individual or a group just curious i'll

[1:30:16] Voice 5: let charles in so that he's the he's the guy with

[1:30:20] Voice 5: with the numbers on that but but it again as charles mentioned earlier our community doc and

[1:30:25] Voice 5: And barge landing are, well, they were part of the MACLO log inauguration for log sort.

[1:30:33] Voice 5: And barge landing for loading, you know, commercial size barges.

[1:30:37] Voice 5: And stuff that was needed for that.

[1:30:40] Voice 5: But all of that is attached, of course, to the foreshore.

[1:30:43] Voice 5: Right, you know, with no setback whatsoever.

[1:31:13] Voice 3: Technical situation there, maybe?

[1:31:15] Voice 11: Yeah, it seems like it.

[1:31:18] Voice 3: Anyway, Charles, if you can hear us, we'd love to hear your thoughts.

[1:31:23] Voice 3: Sometimes the technology doesn't know.

[1:31:25] Voice 3: Oh, there you are.

[1:31:25] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[1:31:27] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:31:28] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:31:29] Voice 7: I mean, I actually thought a lot of what Rob was saying there was much more interesting than what I was going to say.

[1:31:35] Voice 7: um i know the certainly with regards to the barge landing um that is um uh from our water lease on

[1:31:45] Voice 7: to our the property that's owned by parker island residence holdings so in fact when they subdivided

[1:31:51] Voice 7: the island part of the plan was for that property to be owned in common um by a group of uh of

[1:31:59] Voice 7: shareholders on the island who would um continue to maintain that for the benefit of the entire

[1:32:04] Voice 7: our island. So it is really critical to access to many of our properties. So I definitely echo

[1:32:10] Voice 7: what Rob says, although, as mentioned, we do have issues with renewing and transferring the

[1:32:15] Voice 7: water lease. That's certainly a much more important issue. All my comment was earlier,

[1:32:23] Voice 7: though, regarding access for people who are mobility challenged, would be that in many

[1:32:33] Voice 7: waterfront properties on the coast there are also funicular systems where people build and

[1:32:40] Voice 7: including salt spring island i should say um near near ganges you'll see along the shore that there

[1:32:45] Voice 7: are massive structures that have been built to enable people to access high bank waterfront

[1:32:50] Voice 7: property with rail systems and i don't think that's actually been mentioned or considered

[1:32:56] Voice 7: so far today yeah

[1:33:03] Voice 3: thank you for that uh trustee go over hi

[1:33:05] Voice 13: i have a question kind of a 1400 foot

[1:33:09] Voice 13: question overall one um i think it's been expressed that um the feeling is that the rules

[1:33:15] Voice 13: that we have don't fit for for wise island so um if there was just one regulation that would make

[1:33:23] Voice 13: life easier what would that be for me as a decision maker i need to balance uh that common

[1:33:30] Voice 13: common sense. But I still need to protect the shoreline. So, yeah, could you, could somebody

[1:33:37] Voice 13: elaborate on perhaps maybe one regulation, trying to set sort of some priorities?

[1:33:48] Voice 3: It's

[1:33:48] Voice 14: Duncan. Go ahead, Duncan.

[1:33:51] Voice 14: Yeah, that's a really hard one.

[1:33:54] Voice 14: Because, you know, I don't think we can quite capture to one. But I guess if we got it down to

[1:34:02] Voice 14: to a couple. I mean, number one, and it certainly would simplify

[1:34:06] Voice 14: the whole scope of this for Wise Island, is that to the

[1:34:10] Voice 14: extent that there's an acknowledgement that what is there

[1:34:14] Voice 14: is not going to be subject to what is already built and long established

[1:34:18] Voice 14: is not subject to further enforcement, that certainly changes

[1:34:22] Voice 14: the landscape considerably in terms of the nature of the

[1:34:26] Voice 14: work that we need to do here. That may not be the case for other

[1:34:30] Voice 14: for other islands but i certainly think for wise island that to the extent that people know

[1:34:33] Voice 14: and have comfort that what what they built uh to to adapt to the the various uh challenges of

[1:34:41] Voice 14: of a small lot island with no you know fire system other than our own self-provided one

[1:34:47] Voice 14: etc etc that that works um i think that makes a big difference so that you know if there was

[1:34:53] Voice 14: one thing it would really be that uh if you get into the individual details of uh you know

[1:35:00] Voice 14: Beyond that, looking forward, it really is the ability to place solar panels

[1:35:05] Voice 14: and the ability to have access to the water with reasonable deck space along the way.

[1:35:15] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:35:16] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:35:21] Voice 3: And I would just say that if there's anyone on the call today

[1:35:25] Voice 3: who maybe knows folks on some of the other islands that we haven't heard from,

[1:35:32] Voice 3: um it would be great if we could kind of get a scope

[1:35:35] Voice 3: i

[1:35:36] Voice 13: know there's

[1:35:40] Voice 3: uh there's the you know gossip and several others and and also the point there

[1:35:46] Voice 3: but um charles i see your hand now go ahead my

[1:35:52] Voice 7: apologies i hadn't taken it down from before

[1:35:56] Voice 3: okay um we have about 20 minutes left would love to uh use the time with more questions or thoughts

[1:36:05] Voice 3: from those of you who are on the islands um so again if you're having any issues with finding

[1:36:14] Voice 3: the raise hand function is usually at the bottom of the screen sometimes you have to click on the

[1:36:19] Voice 3: react icon first and then hit the raise hand but we'd love to hear from you it's been a great

[1:36:27] Voice 3: conversation so far and i've certainly been learning a lot and just the beginning of course

[1:36:33] Voice 3: so we definitely want to learn more and and especially around the specifics of different

[1:36:38] Voice 3: islands i think is quite useful and there uh rob go ahead yeah

[1:36:54] Voice 5: again just because there's time

[1:36:56] Voice 5: you're gonna let us ramble on here another another uh mention i might make about the bars landing on

[1:37:04] Voice 5: park or part of part of the essential reason happening is access for bc hydro because uh

[1:37:10] Voice 5: All of them, well, almost all of the power for Vancouver Island goes over the park, as many of you know, through transmission lines that cross Galeano as well.

[1:37:21] Voice 5: And then the crossing in Trinidad Channel does require electricity for the crossing because the cables are cooled with oil.

[1:37:32] Voice 5: oil. And so there's been occasions where there's various reasons, technical reasons, and power

[1:37:37] Voice 5: reasons Hydro has to react promptly with crews. They use our community dock for their crew boat

[1:37:45] Voice 5: and our barge landing for their equipment access in order to service that power line,

[1:37:52] Voice 5: which is essential for power for all of the animals as well as them. So there's other

[1:37:58] Voice 5: considerations to be taken in in concern you know whether uh renewing these dogs or the size

[1:38:06] Voice 5: of some of these dogs is that they they also service areas outside of the residence that are

[1:38:12] Voice 5: directly yeah

[1:38:17] Voice 3: patient for us to have for sure um todd go ahead yeah

[1:38:27] Voice 4: uh just more this is more of

[1:38:29] Voice 4: a question for the trustees and so forth there um i'm curious to know if if uh from gossip

[1:38:36] Voice 4: or Fillmore Point or the other associated islands, aside from Wise, has had the same amount of bylaw enforcement calls, or I'm not sure if you can share that, if that's too far out in the weeds, or perhaps that's why there's not that much participation from that side, so to speak, because there hasn't really been that much of an issue.

[1:39:02] Voice 4: like I know unwise it's been I'm approaching 25 years being here and it's

[1:39:08] Voice 4: I've never heard of anything until or anything being the bylaw issues except

[1:39:14] Voice 4: for the last three or four or five years but I'm just curious if that's if that's

[1:39:20] Voice 4: happening on the other islands or is that more of a phenomena that's more

[1:39:26] Voice 4: more localized sure

[1:39:31] Voice 3: if Planner Stockdale has any perspective on that thank

[1:39:38] Voice 2: you chair I don't have

[1:39:39] Voice 2: the numbers but certainly from what I've seen there's been more of a proliferation on Wise

[1:39:45] Voice 2: Island compared to the other associated islands so Wise Island seems to be more popular in the

[1:39:52] Voice 2: last few years for bylaw enforcement complaints compared to any other associated island and I

[1:40:01] Voice 3: I think your observation as to why we might not be hearing

[1:40:07] Voice 3: from the other islands so much might be quite valid here.

[1:40:11] Voice 3: I see both the trustees here.

[1:40:14] Voice 3: Go ahead, Trustee Goverow.

[1:40:16] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:40:16] Voice 13: Ben, was your question around bylaw enforcement?

[1:40:19] Voice 11: Just comment.

[1:40:20] Voice 13: Go ahead.

[1:40:21] Voice 13: Mine's different, mine's different.

[1:40:23] Voice 11: Yeah, no, I mean, I haven't heard as much from Parker

[1:40:27] Voice 11: or Fillmore Gossip Island for that matter

[1:40:29] Voice 11: in regards to bylaw enforcement i think you know as we um as and one of the speakers spoke about

[1:40:37] Voice 11: it earlier as as the old timers sort of age out and we get new people in there's a desire for

[1:40:43] Voice 11: or sometimes maybe not a desire but a conflict over what new people want and and what the they

[1:40:49] Voice 11: previous owners have have sort of built over the years and you know it only takes one sort of visit

[1:40:57] Voice 11: it from bylaw enforcement to one of these small communities and then all sorts of issues start to

[1:41:01] Voice 11: pop up so like i say i haven't seen that on parker gossip or film or um but certainly wise island is

[1:41:09] Voice 11: at the sort of the the top of that and just a couple of comments around um you know sort of

[1:41:15] Voice 11: what we're hearing today and and um you know the the sort of priority around community structures

[1:41:23] Voice 11: and those sort of facilities that are used by the community for safety

[1:41:27] Voice 11: and for the delivery of not just materials, but also hydro

[1:41:33] Voice 11: and all sorts of things and how critical that is to these smaller

[1:41:36] Voice 11: sort of micro communities.

[1:41:39] Voice 11: So just thanks for the input on that.

[1:41:45] Voice 3: Trustee Goverow, and then Bob, I'll come to you next.

[1:41:49] Voice 13: Yeah, just a question around drinking water.

[1:41:51] Voice 13: I'm wondering if the current rules make water storage

[1:41:56] Voice 13: or managing drinking water systems harder.

[1:42:01] Voice 13: Any comments around that?

[1:42:05] Voice 3: Great question.

[1:42:07] Voice 3: I'm going to go to Bob next.

[1:42:09] Voice 3: And then I see Rob and Seth both have hands up.

[1:42:13] Voice 3: So go ahead, Bob.

[1:42:14] Voice 12: Sure, thanks.

[1:42:15] Voice 12: I just want to sort of make what would be my sort of an ending statement

[1:42:18] Voice 12: for this meeting from my point of view is one thing that I think needs

[1:42:24] Voice 12: to be said is what to me is remarkable about Wise Island is the community.

[1:42:32] Voice 12: So there's no notion that somehow getting the bylaws right or getting everything perfect is

[1:42:39] Voice 12: going to work. What makes Wise Island work is the community. People look out for each other.

[1:42:44] Voice 12: People don't do stupid things that endanger or impact others. And the worry I have whether or

[1:42:54] Voice 12: or not the outcome is great, in terms of good regulations, is that somehow or other, this

[1:43:00] Voice 12: process is impacting that sense of community and pitting people against each other. And that would

[1:43:06] Voice 12: be a big shame. So I know it's outside the mandate of the island's trust to preserve the natural

[1:43:12] Voice 12: environment where that includes culture and community. But that is the treasure of Wise

[1:43:17] Voice 12: Island, in circumstances which we would all agree are suboptimal, that is the subdivision

[1:43:22] Voice 12: that occurred in 1968 doesn't make a lot of sense in terms of the mandate of the islands trust the

[1:43:29] Voice 12: lots are too small but we've made it work and we made it work because we all get along and look

[1:43:35] Voice 12: out for each other and if that goes away i don't care what the regulations are it would be a

[1:43:40] Voice 12: disaster yeah

[1:43:43] Voice 3: i really appreciate that that um that thought and uh of course what i think part

[1:43:50] Voice 3: Part of the intent of this project, from my perspective anyway, is to try and help remove some of those maybe tension points from our end of it, from the legislative parts of it, and to support that community, sense of community.

[1:44:07] Voice 3: So I've got Rob and then Seth and then Duncan.

[1:44:10] Voice 3: So go ahead, Rob.

[1:44:11] Voice 5: Yeah, okay.

[1:44:12] Voice 5: Okay. Another thing I would point out is that the islands, I've been on Parker for over 30 years,

[1:44:19] Voice 5: and I know it well, but I don't know why it's not well or less of a film or that well.

[1:44:24] Voice 5: But one difference might be is that our lot sizes are quite a bit larger.

[1:44:29] Voice 5: So, you know, Wise Island simply may have more friction just because of the small size of the lots.

[1:44:35] Voice 5: Everything you do is compromises your neighbors in some degree one way or another on a small lot.

[1:44:41] Voice 5: lot. The other thing is that Parker has quite a number of, I would say, a substantial minority

[1:44:48] Voice 5: of permanent or almost semi-permanent residents, some of which are still working and working on

[1:44:55] Voice 5: Galliano and have to commute daily. And so the issues of community dogs, again, I don't want to

[1:45:01] Voice 5: overstress that too much. We do have a problem on Parker, of course, with the Trinca Valley

[1:45:06] Voice 5: access as well and Charles and I both have that situation with our lots.

[1:45:11] Voice 5: We're high bank waterfront but it's like 50 meters it's not five meters. So there's in fact CRD

[1:45:19] Voice 5: regulations as well as Island Trust do not permit access for individual lots for docks

[1:45:24] Voice 5: on the Trinity Valley side. But again each one of these out off Galliano Island situations

[1:45:32] Voice 5: has individual differences and it's too bad that we don't have some input from gossip and from

[1:45:39] Voice 5: no more because I know they do things quite differently on each one of those islands

[1:45:43] Voice 5: with respect to how these community dogs are administered, whether they have non-profits to

[1:45:50] Voice 5: seek funding from higher levels of government for things like fire protection, things like that.

[1:45:55] Voice 5: And so I think trying to do maybe too much cookie cutter regulation with them, I don't know the consultation would help so much, but, you know, there's quite a bit of differences, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

[1:46:09] Voice 5: So, you know, we have to be take consideration of that fact, as well as, you know, again, it's disappointing. But to be fair, I only heard about this meeting from a resident who was talking to Kim about it more recently. So maybe I'm just not in the loop, but maybe some of the silence didn't really realize this meeting was going on and didn't have enough organization to get involved.

[1:46:36] Voice 5: and you

[1:46:43] Voice 3: know the differences between the different little communities there and

[1:46:48] Voice 3: just note that this is just the very beginning of the process so hopefully

[1:46:53] Voice 3: everyone who is on the call today will will spread the word to their neighbors and friends

[1:46:59] Voice 3: and especially if they're you know folks on some of the islands that we didn't hear from today

[1:47:03] Voice 3: that'd be great so i think i had uh seth next and then duncan and then allison yeah

[1:47:12] Voice 8: um you know

[1:47:13] Voice 8: being a full-time resident on wise island i am collecting water even though we have a well on

[1:47:19] Voice 8: wise island i'm not relying on it as as full-time i do have water tanks and i would like to add

[1:47:25] Voice 8: another water tank but i'm within the setbacks of being six meters if i put a tank in i'm four

[1:47:30] Voice 8: meters from that so someone made a comment about setbacks and yes water tanks would be nice to be

[1:47:37] Voice 8: able to get closer to the my neighbor that's the problem i have great

[1:47:43] Voice 3: thank you for sharing that

[1:47:45] Voice 3: seth did you have something further no that's okay okay no appreciate that um let's see then i had

[1:47:54] Voice 3: duncan and then allison so go ahead duncan great

[1:48:00] Voice 14: thank you um yeah first of all i just wanted to

[1:48:03] Voice 14: And I think Seth is doing exactly the same.

[1:48:06] Voice 14: Just wanted to respond to Trustee Gavreau's question about water collection.

[1:48:10] Voice 14: And Wise has one central system that Todd probably knows better than just about anyone and is on the call here.

[1:48:21] Voice 14: But that system is part of the Wise Island Improvement District that has a well in the center of the island and pumps and stores the water.

[1:48:31] Voice 14: and that and those then run down the hill to the individual properties uh and that's that's sort of

[1:48:38] Voice 14: the main uh the main water system for many islanders but some may be becoming many over time

[1:48:45] Voice 14: islanders also have water collection systems and that is becoming uh an increasing focus as we try

[1:48:51] Voice 14: and uh and be very cautious about our uh our water uh use on wise island for the for the common

[1:48:58] Voice 14: infrastructure in the Improvement District. So there may be some considerations, as Seth says,

[1:49:04] Voice 14: around collection tanks and things like that as people try to be very, very sensitive. I mean,

[1:49:11] Voice 14: the restrictions that we impose on ourselves and our guests are all very extreme in terms

[1:49:16] Voice 14: of managing the use of the island's shared water supply for all sorts of geological considerations

[1:49:22] Voice 14: around using too much water and the nature of the system. So I just wanted to respond to that.

[1:49:28] Voice 14: that uh that point and then i just wanted to um uh add a thumbs up to to bob woodham's comment

[1:49:36] Voice 14: about community which i think was very eloquent and can't be can't be overstated uh because wise

[1:49:42] Voice 14: island really only works as a as a community because of the uh the shared assets and the

[1:49:47] Voice 14: shared work that is needed to uh to make it all work and and uh you know it is a community and

[1:49:53] Voice 14: that's incredibly important and if i sort of reflect that onto what we're trying to do here

[1:49:57] Voice 14: year the number one thing that could help you know release some of the uncertainty and the tension

[1:50:01] Voice 14: that's built up in recent years around this is is really you know comes back to that point around

[1:50:07] Voice 14: people having a sense that they're you know whether i don't know what the current term in

[1:50:11] Voice 14: planning is and planner stockdale can can tell us i don't know whether it's grandfathering or

[1:50:16] Voice 14: grandparenting or or however that that works in in in planning circles but it's that sense of you

[1:50:23] Voice 14: You know, what is there now is not subject to being taken away or subject to enforcement with the Islands Trust.

[1:50:31] Voice 14: And, you know, the planning rules going forward, you know, there are lots of reasons to work with the individual items that we've talked about in terms of stairs and solar and to really get that right going forward.

[1:50:43] Voice 14: And we really look forward to working with you and the APC on doing that.

[1:50:46] Voice 14: But certainly the uncertainty and the tension and the kind of community angst has come from the sense of heavy enforcement penalties potentially hanging over property owners with structures that have been there 10, 20, 30 years.

[1:51:03] Voice 14: So in terms of thinking about the community, that's something that is very important, and that's what has people worried.

[1:51:11] Voice 14: uh

[1:51:14] Voice 3: the the current uh usage is uh legal non-conforming i'm gonna go over to uh allison

[1:51:22] Voice 3: now hello

[1:51:27] Voice 10: yeah

[1:51:28] Voice 3: we can hear you go ahead great

[1:51:30] Voice 10: wasn't sure how i was still on mute so firstly

[1:51:32] Voice 10: i want to thank trustee gavro for bringing uh the shoreline back in as a stakeholder and also

[1:51:38] Voice 10: considering rain collection as a big rain water collector ourself for both fire protection and

[1:51:45] Voice 10: gardening. And I think that to protect the shoreline, we have an opportunity to both

[1:51:52] Voice 10: reduce some pressure on this process and also look forward to new processes that will ensure

[1:52:00] Voice 10: that future builds of whatever we end up discussing respect that shoreline as well as the

[1:52:07] Voice 10: needs of the residents that use it. And that by allowing the pre-existing non-conforming,

[1:52:13] Voice 10: the existing structures to be allowed and accepted you know that to me means we look forward and

[1:52:20] Voice 10: build the new structures wisely because if we do start ripping out old ones who knows what we're

[1:52:27] Voice 10: going to dig up because that could actually create more harm than good so I do appreciate

[1:52:33] Voice 10: the rainwater collection and also want to say that I definitely support allowing those pre-existing

[1:52:41] Voice 10: non-conforming structures to be in because I can only imagine what some of them are built

[1:52:46] Voice 10: of or might have contained you know at one time that are coming apart so thank you.

[1:52:57] Voice 3: Okay I see

[1:52:58] Voice 3: three more hands we've got just a few more minutes left so briefly Jennifer.

[1:53:03] Voice 9: Yeah I was just going to

[1:53:05] Voice 9: ask if it might be possible for the LTC to in some other way seek input from more people from

[1:53:14] Voice 9: from the associated islands, you know, via some kind of, you know, invitation to comment or

[1:53:21] Voice 9: questionnaire, because, you know, we really appreciate hearing from the island property

[1:53:28] Voice 9: owners, but it's a pretty limited number of people participating in this online discussion.

[1:53:37] Voice 9: So is there any thought to reaching out to more people who might, as well as identify problems, maybe be able to offer suggestions for solutions? Thank you.

[1:53:50] Voice 9: And

[1:53:55] Voice 3: certainly, I think one of the things we're hearing today is that what may work on one of these islands may not be so appropriate on the other, but there might be solutions that could be shared across that.

[1:54:09] Voice 3: And I think the LTC and staff will consider how we might approach another round of outreach to try and draw more perspective from residents and landowners of these islands into the conversation.

[1:54:25] Voice 3: Okay. I see Rob next, and then I have Seth and Duncan, and that'll probably bring us about to the end of our time. So go ahead, Rob.

[1:54:35] Yeah. I

[1:54:38] Voice 6: probably forgot to put my hand down, so I'll just leave it at that. I've said enough. Thanks.

[1:54:45] Voice 3: Okay. Thank you for that. And I see Seth's hand went down, so Duncan, we'll pass the final word to you.

[1:54:54] Voice 14: oh i was just thank you i was just going to say to that point uh to jennifer's point about the

[1:54:59] Voice 14: consultation from a you know i think that's obviously you know really important um and you

[1:55:04] Voice 14: know for the other islands they may just not have had this dialogue in the same way i don't know but

[1:55:09] Voice 14: i'll just say on the wise island side uh this comes up every year at our at our annual general

[1:55:15] Voice 14: meeting uh which is very well uh attended and uh and we go through all these issues every year to

[1:55:22] Voice 14: make sure that we have the uh the the islanders input and and support on all this so um uh just

[1:55:30] Voice 14: to say that uh and and maybe this is not the case on the other islands i just don't know but

[1:55:35] Voice 14: on wise island this has been a a subject of both informal discussion but also

[1:55:40] Voice 14: a formal discussion within the agm to make sure that we at the wise island community association

[1:55:45] Voice 14: have a mandate from from islanders to be to be engaging with uh with the planners and the

[1:55:51] Voice 14: trustees uh on these issues so uh just to provide you with some reassurance that there is a there is

[1:55:57] Voice 14: a dialogue there uh that that goes on uh annually great

[1:56:05] Voice 3: thank you for that okay and i see we are

[1:56:10] Voice 3: getting close to the um to the end of our scheduled time here so i'll just look to um

[1:56:19] Voice 3: planner or trustees any thoughts before we uh before we uh move on today uh trustee

[1:56:31] Voice 3: maverly yeah

[1:56:32] Voice 11: i just want to thank everybody uh that attended today and and just sort of

[1:56:37] Voice 11: want to highlight what um bob woodham's comments about community well-being and how important that

[1:56:43] Voice 11: is in this process and uh certainly will be high on the uh or right at the top of the of the um

[1:56:50] Voice 11: sort of list of things we're going to think about so i really appreciate those comments

[1:56:55] Voice 11: and thanks everybody for for attending yeah

[1:57:02] Voice 3: thanks for that trustee maverly um

[1:57:03] Voice 3: um it was good to have uh to hear from those folks that we did hear from and um platterstock

[1:57:11] Voice 3: till before we go i wonder if you have any thoughts on next steps or is that something

[1:57:15] Voice 3: we're going to discuss at a future meeting thank

[1:57:18] Voice 2: you chair so yes it will be discussed

[1:57:20] Voice 2: at an upcoming meeting to be determined on which meeting that will be um the referral will be sent

[1:57:28] Voice 2: to the apc next week and to allow the apc enough time to go over some of the comments that i've

[1:57:35] Voice 2: received today and the referral so i'd imagine that would take a month or two to get back to

[1:57:39] Voice 2: the ltc so certainly early in the engagement period right now for anybody who missed today's

[1:57:46] Voice 2: session um the recording will be posted early next week to the webpage this powerpoint is on

[1:57:53] Voice 2: on the project webpage.

[1:57:54] Voice 2: And if you have any questions or comments,

[1:57:57] Voice 2: feel free to send them to me,

[1:57:59] Voice 2: email at kstockdill at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[1:58:04] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:58:13] Voice 3: Trustee Maberly, did you have something further?

[1:58:15] Voice 11: Yeah, just one further point.

[1:58:18] Voice 11: So nearly all of these,

[1:58:20] Voice 11: I think all of these communities have societies

[1:58:23] Voice 11: that encompass a fairly large number of the residences.

[1:58:28] Voice 11: So we make it a priority to sort of make sure we reach out to those societies.

[1:58:32] Voice 11: I know Gossip has one, Filmware has one for sure.

[1:58:36] Voice 11: And we've heard from Parker and Wise today.

[1:58:38] Voice 11: So making those a priority to reach out to those so we get comment back from them.

[1:58:43] Voice 11: And then we can expand it through those organizations to get to the residents as well.

[1:58:48] Voice 11: But like I know on Gossip Island, that community association there, I think, is at least 90% of that island.

[1:58:55] Voice 11: And so it's a great tool to be able to sort of to reach out.

[1:59:00] Voice 11: And as some of the speakers talked about, like on WISE, they get a lot of feedback during their AGM.

[1:59:07] Voice 11: So we can make it as a point for them to have a meeting about it.

[1:59:14] Voice 3: And I think that's helpful for our next steps on engagement.

[1:59:19] Voice 3: Go ahead, Trustee Goverell.

[1:59:20] Voice 13: If I may, I'll be brief.

[1:59:22] Voice 13: if i believe there was a request for uh subdivision history and a summary of enforcement

[1:59:28] Voice 13: um i'd like to make sure i'd like to see those as well thank you yeah

[1:59:39] Voice 3: anything further from

[1:59:41] Voice 3: anyone are we about ready to adjourn here we have reached our scheduled time

[1:59:47] Voice 11: all good okay

[1:59:48] Voice 3: i'm not seeing not seeing anything from anyone so i just uh i want to echo the

[1:59:53] Voice 3: comments um really appreciate uh all of the members of the public uh from the islands

[2:00:00] Voice 3: especially who came out and both to listen,

[2:00:03] Voice 3: but also to share your perspective, it's very helpful.

[2:00:06] Voice 3: And this is just the beginning of this project.

[2:00:10] Voice 3: So there will be more opportunities

[2:00:12] Voice 3: and just to repeat what I said before,

[2:00:16] Voice 3: if you know other folks from the other islands

[2:00:19] Voice 3: that are interested in hearing or sharing their perspective,

[2:00:25] Voice 3: we want to hear from as many of you as we can.

[2:00:30] Voice 3: So with that, I will call for adjournment and wish everyone a great afternoon.

[2:00:37] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:00:38] Voice 3: Thank you, everyone.

[2:00:41] Voice 3: Thanks, everyone.

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Galiano Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
September 19, 2025 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Ben Mabberley, Local Trustee 
 Lisa Gauvreau, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately 15 members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 10:01 a.m. 
2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
Chair Peterson acknowledged that the meeting was being held in territory of the Coast 
Salish First Nations.  
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
4. TRUSTEE INTRODUCTION/OVERVIEW 
The Local Trust Committee members introduced themselves. 
5. STAFF PRESENTATION 
Island Planner Stockdill provided a presentation on the Associated Islands Regulation 
Review project and highlighted the following: 
• There are three levels of jurisdictional authority for marine and shoreline decision 
making within the Islands Trust area including: 
1. Federal: focuses on navigation, mooring buoys, freighter anchorage, and 
abandoned boats 
2. Provincial: focusses on archaeology, aquaculture, private docks via issuance of 
licenses for private moorages, and some shoreline protections 
3. Local Trust Committee: focusses on land use planning and zoning within 
development permit areas, and shoreline protection policies and guidelines 
  
ADOPTED 

 
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• The Islands Trust policy hierarchy was described as follows: 
1. The Policy Statement contains policies that, in part, guide how Official 
Community Plans are developed 
2. The Official Community Plan is a long-term visioning document that includes 
objectives and policies that guide land use decisions 
3. The Land Use Bylaw regulates land, buildings, and structures and identifies 
zones such as rural, agricultural, and forestry 
• The Official Community Plan includes Development Permit Areas and the Galiano 
Island associated islands have a shoreline and marine Development Permit Area which 
helps to guide development to protect sensitive coastal areas 
• The Land Use Bylaw identifies permitted uses within each zone, density, structure 
height, minimum setbacks, siting, size and dimension regulations 
• Setbacks to the natural boundary of the sea are included in the general regulations that 
apply to all lots within the Local Trust Area 
• The Associated Islands Regulation Review project was initiated by the Local Trust 
Committee due to the receipt of development variance permit applications related to 
the use of solar panels, decks, and other structures sited within the setback of the 
natural boundary of the sea 
• The scope of the project includes referral to the Advisory Planning Commission, 
community information meetings, First Nations engagement, engagement with property 
owners on associated islands and boat access only properties, and the review of 
current land use regulations with the main deliverable identified as potential 
amendments to the Land Use Bylaw 
• The purpose of the meeting is to provide an opportunity for property owners to share 
their perspectives on any issues or concerns with current land use regulations and to 
suggest any potential changes or improvements that would better meet the needs of 
associated islands and boat access only properties 
• Solar panels are considered a structure and must meet setback requirements which 
can be challenging based on the need to locate the panels in the best place possible to 
optimize use 
• Cantilevered decks and stairs to the foreshore located within setback requirements 
have been identified as considerations within the project 
• The Marine zone permits private docks; however, some issues have been identified with 
upland platforms of docks which need to meet setback requirements 
• The current setback to the natural boundary to the sea is 7.5 metres (25 feet) and the 
regulation currently allows no exemptions 
• The current setback from interior side lot lines is 6 metres (20 feet) in SLR (Small Lot 
Residential) and RR2 (Rural Residential) zones 
6. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
Members of the public were invited to ask questions and provide feedback and the following 
comments and clarifications were noted: 
• The Wise Island community relies on docks and attached access structures for 
emergency evacuation and rapid response to fires 
• Wise Island is not powered by BC Hydro, consists of small narrow lots, and solar panels 
need to be placed for optimum effectiveness which is challenging due to lack of lot 
width, current setbacks, and treed lots 

 
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• The Parker Island community has larger lots and is serviced by BC Hydro and the 
primary concern has been the delay in renewing the crown lease for the community 
dock which allows access for the barge, propane delivery, hydro equipment, water taxi, 
and water ambulance services, and is used by owners of high bank properties that do 
not have access to private docks 
• There are a significant number of installations on Wise Island that do not comply with 
the Land Use Bylaw and many of them pre-date the implementation of the regulations 
• Access stairs located within the natural boundary are supported on a case-by-case 
basis provided there is a less formal way in which to allow them outside of a variance 
permit application process 
• Residents expressed support of the Local Trust Committee working with community 
members to create solutions that work for off-grid properties 
• Wise Island has two community docks that provide the majority of access needs and 
there are few private docks; however, most properties have stairs to access the water 
• There is no appetite to decrease side lot setbacks as the currently established setbacks 
create privacy and the approach should be consideration of exceptions rather than 
eliminating or increasing side setbacks 
• The number, and footprint, or solar panels required to power a house varies based on 
individual use, age of panels, and sun exposure on the property 
• Cantilevered decks and other deck structures are integrated into the stair structures 
and are integral to the usage of the property 
• Residents are not requesting expansion of zoning but would like assurances that current 
infrastructure can remain in place and not be subject to bylaw enforcement 
• Each of the associated islands have different needs and standard regulations might not 
work for each of them 
• Wise Island has a central well system that pumps and stores water that is provided to 
individual properties, some property owners have water collection systems, and the 
small lot sizes can create setback issues for water cistern needs 
 
The Planner thanked participants for their comments and noted that staff, and the Local 
Trust Committee, will consider ways to glean perspectives from residents from those 
associated islands that were not represented at the meeting. 
7. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 12:02 p.m. 
 
 
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Tim Peterson, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder