Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, January 22, 2026

[0:00:09] Voice 8: We're going

[0:00:10] Voice 30: to get started. Patience is going to be needed with a tight and small room and I

[0:00:17] Voice 30: appreciate everyone's effort so thank you. Before we get started I have a great privilege to

[0:00:22] Voice 30: introduce Elder Geraldine Manson.

[0:00:25] Trustee Elliott: Indigenous name is Statasia. I'm

[0:00:30] Trustee Elliott: so honored that you're here.

[0:00:31] Trustee Elliott: and the floor is yours.

[0:00:55] Voice 27: Good

[0:00:56] Voice 4: morning, everyone.

[0:00:58] Voice 4: My traditional name is Satasya Trumpson,

[0:01:02] Voice 4: and I'm always honored to be here

[0:01:05] Voice 4: and represent who I am.

[0:01:08] Voice 4: but

[0:01:09] Trustee Elliott: also thanking each and every one that has gathered here today to go and learn,

[0:01:16] Voice 12: participate, and share the importance of this meeting this morning.

[0:01:21] Voice 4: I had the opportunity

[0:01:24] Voice 4: to really go within my own self. How do we as individuals embrace the land that we are on?

[0:01:36] Voice 4: What is the importance of

[0:01:40] Voice 15: what we need to share and the concern behind it?

[0:01:45] Voice 15: The Inua Island is one of the islands that

[0:01:50] Trustee Elliott: the Soliquin ancestors have been part of.

[0:01:53] Trustee Elliott: We have so much history to share why the presence of who

[0:01:59] Voice 8: we are and why we call welcome to the

[0:02:03] Voice 8: traditional territory of the Sanemo Soliquin people.

[0:02:07] Voice 8: both.

[0:02:09] Voice 4: Throughout the land we all know the importance of where you live and how you cherish

[0:02:17] Voice 4: that property that you're on. But also to understand people in depth, to know the history

[0:02:25] Voice 4: of this land, the

[0:02:27] Trustee Elliott: importance of policies and protocols, to represent the old, old ancestors

[0:02:34] Trustee Elliott: sisters, through all the so many archaeological sites, so many petroglyph sites, over 200

[0:02:43] Trustee Elliott: to be exact, and to walk the land, whether it's going around a foreshore and going within

[0:02:52] Trustee Elliott: a

[0:02:52] Voice 4: land base, to understand that you are now residents of the land, the stewardship where

[0:03:02] Trustee Elliott: where you live is important and how we come together to

[0:03:10] Voice 4: work together to protect the land

[0:03:12] Voice 4: from generations and generations and how this new era beginner era that we are in

[0:03:19] Voice 4: how we are governed by the rules and

[0:03:26] Voice 8: regulations policy but in order to understand these rules and

[0:03:31] Voice 4: regulation policy, I too had to read up on the importance of land and how we protect it

[0:03:41] Voice 15: over time. And there are so many layers to that. I

[0:03:48] Voice 4: can only say that in the future, come spring,

[0:03:53] Voice 4: to come back together in groups

[0:03:58] Trustee Elliott: or larger to hear the speaker series of

[0:04:03] Voice 4: walking together

[0:04:04] Voice 4: of understanding what this land means to Sunimu but

[0:04:10] Voice 15: also to those who have come to live

[0:04:13] Voice 15: on this beautiful land. There's so much that we could do together and I really echo that

[0:04:23] Voice 15: because this land is so important

[0:04:26] Voice 15: to me. I wouldn't want

[0:04:28] Voice 15: it to be someone

[0:04:30] Voice 15: coming and

[0:04:33] Voice 27: swirling that pot

[0:04:35] Voice 27: to benefit them

[0:04:37] Voice 27: because

[0:04:39] Voice 4: the old people say

[0:04:41] Voice 4: watch what you say

[0:04:43] Voice 4: and it becomes

[0:04:45] Voice 4: from the heart

[0:04:46] Voice 4: it will be heard.

[0:04:50] Voice 4: Never speak I.

[0:04:53] Voice 4: Never go in front

[0:04:54] Voice 4: of a crowd to say this is who I am.

[0:04:58] Trustee Elliott: know you have all the answers and the old people standing behind

[0:05:02] Voice 4: you who are witnessing your voice

[0:05:07] Voice 4: and to know that this voice is filled with compassion and heart coming together in today's

[0:05:15] Voice 4: world

[0:05:15] Voice 15: so

[0:05:16] Voice 4: thank you and before

[0:05:20] Voice 8: i even go to sit down i

[0:05:23] Voice 15: would be honored to say to turn to our

[0:06:07] Trustee Elliott: I turn to you with my hands raised, thanking you for this beautiful moment, thanking you

[0:06:16] Trustee Elliott: for the journey that you put us on, coming together, to

[0:06:21] Voice 4: embrace each and every one that

[0:06:24] Voice 4: that is here today, from the mind to the heart,

[0:06:28] Voice 4: clearing any obstacle along the way.

[0:06:31] Voice 4: So what words need to be shared,

[0:06:33] Voice 4: it will be shared and heard.

[0:06:36] Voice 4: For our beautiful Stolelos, our guardian angels,

[0:06:40] Voice 4: embrace the one with that beautiful pocket

[0:06:43] Voice 4: of energy, of hope, of compassion,

[0:06:48] Voice 4: of working together.

[0:06:49] Voice 4: Kevin, that I ask

[0:06:51] Voice 15: to

[0:06:52] Voice 8: be here

[0:06:55] Voice 8: to witness, to embrace

[0:06:57] Voice 8: us, to guide us along the way

[0:06:59] Voice 8: in a conversation that needs to

[0:07:01] Voice 8: be heard in a good way.

[0:07:26] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:07:28] Voice 3: Thank you for helping

[0:07:30] Voice 3: me to open this meeting in such a good way. I'm very grateful. I see Elliot here has a gift for

[0:07:38] Voice 3: you coming to be with us this evening. Thank

[0:08:11] Trustee Elliott: you. Good morning and good morning. I'd like to call

[0:08:14] Trustee Elliott: to order this regular meeting of the Gabriel and Local Trust Committee. We are live streaming and

[0:08:20] Trustee Elliott: we're

[0:08:20] Voice 30: recording this meeting and it'll be available in days to come. I always acknowledge

[0:08:27] Voice 30: acknowledge or begin by acknowledging with respect and humility the lands and waters of

[0:08:32] Voice 30: the islands trust have been home to indigenous people since time immemorial their deep connection

[0:08:38] Voice 30: to these islands continue to this day and we honor their enduring presence constitutional

[0:08:42] Voice 30: rights and responsibilities i'm laura patrick i'm elected on salt spring but i'm the chair

[0:08:49] Voice 30: of your this local trust committee i'm joined today by trustee uh susan yates and trustee

[0:08:55] Voice 30: toby elliott and together we make up this local trust committee i'm going to turn over to regional

[0:09:01] Voice 30: planning manager renee jemma to introduce all the staff that are with us today everyone good morning

[0:09:06] Trustee Elliott: i'll start on the end here this is jill elliott our senior independent advisor

[0:09:11] Trustee Elliott: sign name is narissa chadwick she's the island planner for the regional planning team

[0:09:17] Trustee Elliott: supporting the gabriel special community plan project and this is stephen bell he's the island

[0:09:27] Trustee Elliott: And over here next to Chair Patrick is Lisa Millard. She's our minute taker and helps keep us on track.

[0:09:36] Voice 30: I'm thankful for the staff to join us today and help us with this planning and organizing today's meeting.

[0:09:42] Voice 30: and chair

[0:09:43] Voice 8: that's

[0:09:44] Voice 30: great oh sorry thank you i am almost i'm so fortunate that we have a chair

[0:09:51] Voice 30: vanessa craig from the uh regional you're not the chair anymore this year all right vice chair but

[0:09:57] Voice 30: she is your electoral area director for uh the regional district in the nival and i'm

[0:10:02] Voice 30: fortunate to have you join us today so thank you all right this meeting is an official forum for

[0:10:08] Voice 30: your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss

[0:10:12] Voice 30: relevant business this is also a place of employment our staff have the right

[0:10:16] Voice 30: to a safe and respectful workplace there will be an opportunity for you to speak

[0:10:21] Voice 30: on the agenda and I'm going to go over that when we get to that time on the

[0:10:25] Voice 30: agenda so for now we have an agenda before us trustees I have had one

[0:10:32] Voice 30: request to read replace or move item 10 up to before the applications which is

[0:10:39] Voice 30: item nine so that's the update on the ocp and as well as the one delegation that we have today

[0:10:45] Voice 30: they're they're time constraints so that we may have to move the move them by when they can be

[0:10:50] Voice 30: available to be here today to give the delegation so just a heads up will be flexible there if

[0:10:55] Voice 30: that's okay with you um is there any other changes to the agenda can we approve the agenda then as

[0:11:02] Voice 30: amended through general consent this is our report section of the agenda i'm going to always begin

[0:11:08] Voice 30: with trustee reports your trustees give thorough reports and i'm here very fortunate so

[0:11:13] Trustee Elliott: you can

[0:11:13] Trustee Elliott: choose who goes first thank you

[0:11:18] Voice 4: thank you chair patrick um and lisa i did send you a copy of this

[0:11:23] Voice 4: this morning just for spelling purposes for names okay so since our last local trust committee

[0:11:30] Voice 4: meeting um on november 28th i attended the gabriola health and well-being collaborative

[0:11:35] Voice 4: meeting. It was a great check-in with representatives from some of the 52 agencies

[0:11:41] Voice 4: and groups who contribute to our community's well-being, focusing on these values, caring

[0:11:47] Voice 4: and compassion, continuous learning about Gabriela, building relationships, respect for each other,

[0:11:55] Voice 4: and working to address social and environmental challenges. On December 1st, I attended a Gabriela

[0:12:01] Voice 4: the Transportation Society meeting to send the letter requesting the Right Honourable Mark Carney

[0:12:06] Voice 4: to retain the oil tanker ban for the North Pacific coast as regulated by Canada's Oil Tanker

[0:12:13] Voice 4: Moratorium Act. On December 10th, I attended an Islands Trust stewardship webinar. I love these

[0:12:20] Voice 4: webinars. This one was Protecting the Shoreline, a Shared Responsibility. This was an energizing

[0:12:27] Voice 4: presentation on the coastal impacts of climate change, cultural revitalization for shorelines,

[0:12:33] Voice 4: and what we can all do to protect and restore shoreline vegetation and marine life.

[0:12:39] Voice 4: The four guest speakers were Kyla Sheehan with Pacific Salmon Foundation,

[0:12:44] Voice 4: who focused on the Resilient Coast for Salmon Project, Kelly Locke with the Stewardship Center

[0:12:50] Voice 4: for British Columbia, and Megan Tomlin and Stephen Henry from the Malahat Nation,

[0:12:56] Voice 4: whose focus on Indigenous knowledge and estuarine biology was fascinating,

[0:13:02] Voice 4: and they were just wonderful to listen to.

[0:13:06] Voice 4: On January 16th, we all met, including Director Craig,

[0:13:12] Voice 4: with BC Hydro representatives Ted Olenek, Michael Cameron, and Raj Sandhi

[0:13:17] Voice 4: for an overview of the project to provide primary act service

[0:13:21] Voice 4: to the BC Ferries Terminal on the Abriola.

[0:13:24] Voice 4: Gabriela. The existing single line serving the north end of Gabriela will have a double

[0:13:28] Voice 4: circuit to accommodate the VCF load. Approximately 115 poles will be replaced. 19 poles will

[0:13:36] Voice 4: be installed for the project. Vegetation inventory work is happening now. You've probably seen

[0:13:41] Voice 4: some of the crew along South Road there. Clearing will occur before bird nesting season. Installation

[0:13:49] Voice 4: of polls will be in April or later and completion is expected by December or January. January 20th

[0:13:57] Voice 4: Islands Trust Conservancy had a board meeting and we elected again Chair Lisa Govro who is

[0:14:05] Voice 4: a trustee from Galliano Island. This will be her second year as chair and we elected Vice Chair

[0:14:11] Voice 4: Sharon Nuncombe, Tanner Timothy from the Tla'amin Nation,

[0:14:15] Voice 4: and this will also be his second year.

[0:14:17] Voice 4: We have an amazing Islands Trust Conservancy Board,

[0:14:21] Voice 4: and I am so pleased to work with them.

[0:14:23] Voice 4: We did discuss the referral response to the Trust Policy Statement,

[0:14:28] Voice 4: and we are probably going to have a special meeting

[0:14:30] Voice 4: to get our response in from the Conservancy.

[0:14:35] Voice 4: January 21st, that was yesterday,

[0:14:37] Voice 4: we had a Financial Planning Committee meeting.

[0:14:39] Voice 4: a long and heartfelt discussion on the 2026-27 budget for the Islands Trust and for the Islands

[0:14:46] Voice 4: Trust Conservancy. Director Mobs indicated that with lost revenue streams, an unavoidable increase

[0:14:53] Voice 4: for the 2026 election costs and staff wages, Council is left with approximately 3.1% of

[0:15:02] Voice 4: of discretionary amount to retain or to cut.

[0:15:06] Voice 4: This is the only part of an approximately 13.9%

[0:15:10] Voice 4: general local trust area tax increase that we can adjust.

[0:15:14] Voice 4: More discussion on this at the March council meeting.

[0:15:17] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:15:20] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:15:22] Trustee Elliott: Thank you so much.

[0:15:23] Trustee Elliott: You filled in some of the gaps, so I'll skip over those.

[0:15:26] Trustee Elliott: But November 27th, I was grateful to attend

[0:15:29] Trustee Elliott: a virtual session on the Couch and Tribes case commentary

[0:15:33] Trustee Elliott: which brought together a lawyer who advised on some of the questions and implications

[0:15:39] Trustee Elliott: that was hosted by AVICC so thankful for that opportunity. Following that I held an Ask

[0:15:45] Trustee Elliott: Me Anything session at the library. This was sort of following the unauthorized distribution

[0:15:49] Trustee Elliott: of Islands Trust maps and which were raising alarm in the community to hear questions and

[0:15:56] Trustee Elliott: clarify issues over mainly the shoreline buffer area. There were many concerns raised about

[0:16:01] Trustee Elliott: the implications, potential and real, of the Cowichan Tribes decision in the courts,

[0:16:06] Trustee Elliott: which I was unable to answer as these are outside of Islands Trust jurisdiction.

[0:16:11] Trustee Elliott: And some issues were raised about the Islands Trust website regarding the OCP project,

[0:16:17] Trustee Elliott: and so I was able to meet with staff following that and we did see some improvements to the

[0:16:23] Trustee Elliott: website, so grateful for their quick response. Also attended the celebration of the King's

[0:16:29] Trustee Elliott: coordination medal for brenda fowler and the gabriel health and wellness network trust council

[0:16:35] Trustee Elliott: there was an excellent session um by island coastal economic trust on their work in co-designing

[0:16:41] Trustee Elliott: strategic goals with multiple first nations um they've really done that work um in a good way

[0:16:47] Trustee Elliott: so we're looking at how we can model engagement on joint areas of interest

[0:16:55] Trustee Elliott: interest. January 9th I attended the Southern Gulf Islands Forum with MP Elizabeth May and

[0:17:02] Trustee Elliott: several representatives who are, well we had a lot of discussion about anchorages and the

[0:17:10] Trustee Elliott: Derelict Vessels Program and it looks like there will be a new fund to support the removal

[0:17:18] Trustee Elliott: removal of derelict vessels um through increasing registration of recreational vehicle vessels

[0:17:27] Trustee Elliott: uh Regional Planning Committee January 13th we reviewed the local trust committee business cases

[0:17:32] Trustee Elliott: all have been advanced um and a freshwater our freshwater strategy there's going to be

[0:17:39] Trustee Elliott: an independent review so we discussed that uh January 14th Executive Committee had a special

[0:17:45] Trustee Elliott: presentation by a member of the Cowichan Tribe's governance director, Stephanie

[0:17:52] Trustee Elliott: Atleo, and Conservancy board members were there as well, and so she had some

[0:17:57] Trustee Elliott: practical advice on approaching First Nations to work together on joint goals.

[0:18:03] Trustee Elliott: The meeting with BC Hydro, that was really helpful. That same day I attended

[0:18:07] Trustee Elliott: Climate Caucus, there's a national monthly call, and I learned about the

[0:18:11] Trustee Elliott: federal government's commitment to fund a youth climate core program it's a 40 million dollar

[0:18:16] Trustee Elliott: commitment they're trying to get it as stable long-term two-year jobs and there's a regional

[0:18:22] Trustee Elliott: district on vancouver island i couldn't remember which one um will hamilton cold piloted a project

[0:18:28] Trustee Elliott: um so with yccbc covering most of the project through grants they could have a four-person

[0:18:39] Trustee Elliott: and crew of young people to tackle priorities like ecological restoration removing from broom

[0:18:45] Trustee Elliott: building a permaculture commons and acting as energy navigators to help residents get grants

[0:18:50] Trustee Elliott: for energy rebates um culminating a total of 165 days of climate action so i'd like to follow up

[0:18:58] Trustee Elliott: with that a youth climate core sounds amazing uh i was just conservative board meeting you kind of

[0:19:04] Trustee Elliott: that financial planning committee uh it was all about how do we reduce the job budget um

[0:19:11] Trustee Elliott: it's a considerable increase um but of note that 50 or more than 50 of the increase is due to lost

[0:19:20] Trustee Elliott: revenue streams so even to maintain operations at today's level we would still see an increase of

[0:19:27] Trustee Elliott: 7.1 no 11% so we are struggling to bring that down and there is going to be a

[0:19:36] Trustee Elliott: committee of the whole meeting in February where Trust Council as a whole

[0:19:39] Trustee Elliott: will discuss the budget at length because that is part of our job thank

[0:19:44] Trustee Elliott: you thank you busy very

[0:19:50] Voice 30: detailed reports I'm going to try to keep mine brief as

[0:19:52] Voice 30: they mentioned the budget the budget there is a community committee of the

[0:19:56] Voice 30: whole meeting in february and then that would move to the march trust council meeting is where um

[0:20:02] Voice 30: the budget has to be approved um and that meeting is going to be in duncan i believe is where we'll

[0:20:09] Voice 30: be having our march trust council meeting but it always has live screen streaming um capabilities

[0:20:16] Voice 30: um the trust policy statement is also making its way through it's uh moving toward i think the

[0:20:22] Voice 30: The June Trust Council meeting is where we're looking to do further readings.

[0:20:26] Voice 30: That's our planning to do further

[0:20:27] Trustee Elliott: readings at this time.

[0:20:30] Trustee Elliott: May I request the person speaking, please stand and project your voice.

[0:20:35] Trustee Elliott: There are a lot of us in the vestibules.

[0:20:36] Trustee Elliott: We

[0:20:37] Voice 19: should just come in and grab the room because we want to hear it.

[0:20:41] Voice 7: We want to hear it, yeah.

[0:20:44] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:20:44] Voice 30: We've heard you.

[0:20:45] Voice 30: I know that it is overcrowded.

[0:20:47] Voice 30: I will do the best to project.

[0:20:49] Voice 30: I apologize for the space and we're just going to do the best we can and when we get to the public.

[0:20:58] Voice 30: Thank you. We hear you.

[0:21:01] Voice 12: We hear you.

[0:21:05] Voice 17: All

[0:21:05] Trustee Elliott: right, please.

[0:21:07] Trustee Elliott: Which

[0:21:07] Voice 30: committee? Which committee is taking this room?

[0:21:09] Voice 30: Please, when we have the public comment period, we will work to

[0:21:14] Voice 6: be fair at that time.

[0:21:15] Voice 30: So, please, I really ask that we be able to carry on with this meeting and be comfortable.

[0:21:22] Voice 30: So, thank you.

[0:21:26] Trustee Elliott: Are there more chairs?

[0:21:27] Trustee Elliott: No, we don't have more chairs.

[0:21:35] Voice 30: I was going to say, can we try moving some of the chairs?

[0:21:37] Voice 30: Scoot forward a little bit, and we can have a little bit more space toward the back of the room.

[0:21:43] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:21:43] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:21:44] Trustee Elliott: Take my chair.

[0:21:45] Voice 15: No, no, you sit here.

[0:21:46] Voice 15: No, no, you sit here.

[0:21:49] Voice 15: Anybody want to sit here?

[0:21:51] Voice 15: They're like

[0:21:54] Voice 29: advising me.

[0:21:56] Voice 29: I see you're

[0:21:57] Voice 16: wearing a pair.

[0:21:58] Voice 16: You want to sit here?

[0:22:03] Voice 16: I see some quiet people.

[0:22:26] Voice 21: can

[0:22:29] Voice 16: i

[0:22:31] Trustee Elliott: sit on the floor

[0:22:40] Voice 16: I can

[0:22:41] Voice 15: lay down on the floor.

[0:23:04] Trustee Elliott: Just lay down.

[0:23:13] Voice 16: Lay down.

[0:23:14] Voice 16: This is perfect.

[0:23:27] Voice 8: Come

[0:23:31] Voice 12: on, don't be chicken.

[0:23:33] Voice 12: There's a chicken.

[0:23:36] Voice 12: I'm qualified individual.

[0:23:41] Voice 30: all right if we get settled back

[0:23:44] Voice 30: down again i know the room's uncomfortable

[0:23:48] Trustee Elliott: moving forward so thank you thank you thank you

[0:23:51] Trustee Elliott: all right some chair murder in the room please

[0:23:56] Trustee Elliott: two chairs yeah there's a few more chairs hiding here i know no one likes to sit in the front

[0:24:10] Voice 16: all right

[0:24:11] Trustee Elliott: we can have order in the room i'm going to carry

[0:24:13] Trustee Elliott: on all right thank you i'm going to turn

[0:24:17] Trustee Elliott: the floor over to the your electoral area director vanessa craig uh hi everybody um uh during the

[0:24:25] Trustee Elliott: meeting the trustees very kindly invite me to give an update on some issues that might overlap with

[0:24:31] Trustee Elliott: the islands trust focus so one thing actually which is quite pertinent to the ocp review is

[0:24:37] Trustee Elliott: the rdm received a changing coast coastal erosion hazard report and risk assessment over report this

[0:24:43] Trustee Elliott: is part two of the sea level rise assessment area b is included in it so all of the mapping

[0:24:50] Trustee Elliott: is pertinent to gabriel i mentioned of course the islands uh the reports are online and it

[0:24:56] Trustee Elliott: It does identify, the second part does identify some areas that are more prone.

[0:25:01] Trustee Elliott: I mean, you could probably think of some off the top of your head to coastal erosion.

[0:25:05] Trustee Elliott: It just gives more information for planning purposes that certain areas are certainly going to be more affected by sea level rise and coastal erosion going forward.

[0:25:16] Trustee Elliott: On the housing front, the board endorsed a resolution I put forward on looking, asking

[0:25:25] Trustee Elliott: the province and the federal government to review the building code to look at the affordability

[0:25:30] Trustee Elliott: of small homes, and it's because the building code for the step code in seismic costs disproportionately

[0:25:38] Trustee Elliott: a lot for small homes, and it doesn't actually, even the province has recognized that the

[0:25:44] Trustee Elliott: The benefits aren't the same.

[0:25:47] Trustee Elliott: And so I've asked for, it'll go through AVICC and then UBCM to ask the province to review the building code.

[0:25:56] Trustee Elliott: We're looking at, the RDN is looking at purchasing Hamilton Marsh as a regional park.

[0:26:03] Trustee Elliott: We're coming up to a deadline.

[0:26:04] Trustee Elliott: I don't know if you've seen it, but if you'd like to contribute to purchasing it,

[0:26:07] Trustee Elliott: then there's various conservancy organizations that are doing some fundraising.

[0:26:14] Trustee Elliott: um coats marsh weir decommissioning project which is trans um changing the marsh from a artificially

[0:26:22] Trustee Elliott: managed concrete weir structure to the natural beaver managed ecosystem is still underway

[0:26:27] Trustee Elliott: the weir has been removed and the work has been done and over the next couple of years there's

[0:26:32] Trustee Elliott: going to be um iterative removal of uh reed canary grass and planting of native species to try and

[0:26:38] Trustee Elliott: make sure that it doesn't get old in the marsh. For parks projects for 2026, we're looking at the

[0:26:46] Trustee Elliott: safer pathway along Ferry Hill. Some people don't realize that the province is actually responsible

[0:26:52] Trustee Elliott: for roads in all electoral areas across the province through the Ministry of Transportation

[0:26:57] Trustee Elliott: and Transit. But as with the villageway path, the RDN will be looking to see if we can do something

[0:27:04] Trustee Elliott: in that area it'll have to receive permission from MOTT and unfortunately

[0:27:09] Trustee Elliott: MOTT also doesn't fund stuff like that so we will look to support it through

[0:27:15] Trustee Elliott: community works funds and not taxation. We're looking at the potential location

[0:27:22] Trustee Elliott: for a fruit future multi-purpose facility and our soccer field both of

[0:27:25] Trustee Elliott: these were raised as priorities through the master plan process and we're also

[0:27:29] Trustee Elliott: continuing work on identifying a potential location for a Mudge Island

[0:27:33] Trustee Elliott: like our top boat launch on lunch um one thing i'm happy about is recognition of area b athletes

[0:27:40] Trustee Elliott: and arts and culture awards recipients the city of nanaimo has long held awards ceremonies but

[0:27:46] Trustee Elliott: um it happened quite frequently that people who were on the same sports teams that had achieved

[0:27:53] Trustee Elliott: high standards weren't recognized in the ceremony just because they didn't live in the city

[0:27:58] Trustee Elliott: but with that um has changed all of our area b athletes and arts and culture awards that have

[0:28:05] Trustee Elliott: received awards at different levels will also be recognized through the ceremony i made an

[0:28:11] Trustee Elliott: amendment of ardian bylaw regarding moved on homes so i've heard from gabriel ones that actually had

[0:28:16] Trustee Elliott: moved on homes and the current bylaw requires that a moved on home assesses that 100 of the

[0:28:23] Trustee Elliott: the neighboring assessment value of the improvements of the neighboring

[0:28:28] Trustee Elliott: properties. So, you know,

[0:28:30] Trustee Elliott: people have had to add second floors or all these additions that they didn't

[0:28:33] Trustee Elliott: necessarily want. So we're going to be modifying that bylaw.

[0:28:39] Trustee Elliott: And we're still doing our budget process.

[0:28:42] Trustee Elliott: So all of those information is online and I also will provide updates in the

[0:28:49] Trustee Elliott: sounding. Thank you. Thank you again for letting me attend.

[0:28:52] Trustee Elliott: thank you for being here today so we're going to be moving into the

[0:28:55] Voice 30: public comment period and this

[0:28:58] Voice 30: is a time when we do want to hear your questions and comments there is the the later in the agenda

[0:29:04] Voice 30: that this local trust committee will be considering its response to the bylaw referral which is for

[0:29:10] Voice 30: the trust policy statement we'll be receiving a verbal report on the official community plan

[0:29:15] Voice 30: land. There are no draft bylaws before us on the OCP and land use bylaw project. We'll be hearing

[0:29:22] Voice 30: more about when those might be coming. We have applications on the agenda. If you're the

[0:29:30] Voice 30: applicant, you will be able to speak later in the agenda during the application phase. But if you

[0:29:35] Voice 30: have comments about any of those applications, we'd want to hear those during the public comment

[0:29:39] Voice 30: period. We understand that some of you may have general questions or worries related to recent

[0:29:45] Voice 30: media coverage or court decisions, including concerns about what these

[0:29:49] Voice 30: developments might mean for private land and land title in the province.

[0:29:54] Voice 30: While we recognize these concerns exist, they are separate from the Islands Trust policy.

[0:30:00] Voice 30: statement and the work that we do here with the official community plan and land use bylaws.

[0:30:04] Voice 30: The Islands Trust does not have any authority to alter land ownership or land tenure and nothing

[0:30:10] Voice 30: in the court decision changes the Islands Trust land use planning responsibilities or current

[0:30:16] Voice 30: strategic priorities. The Islands Trust is not a party to the Tuktinas case and will not be

[0:30:24] Voice 30: be commenting on the court decision.

[0:30:27] Voice 30: Comments or concerns about the provincial role

[0:30:29] Voice 30: in the Plotinus case should be directed

[0:30:33] Voice 30: to the province of British Columbia.

[0:30:35] Voice 30: The IELTS Trust statutory mandate remains the same

[0:30:38] Voice 30: to work in cooperation to preserve and protect

[0:30:40] Voice 30: the trust area for the benefit of the residents

[0:30:42] Voice 30: of British Columbia.

[0:30:48] Voice 30: As chair, it's my responsibility shared along

[0:30:51] Voice 30: with your local trustees to ensure that this meeting

[0:30:54] Voice 30: is respectful, inclusive, and culturally safe space for everyone. This means that we will speak

[0:31:01] Voice 30: respectfully. There is no place here for racism, stereotypes, or comments that target Indigenous

[0:31:07] Voice 30: peoples or any group in this community. We will acknowledge concerns and questions without causing

[0:31:14] Voice 30: harm. It is completely valid for residents to seek clarity and express uncertainty. It is equally

[0:31:20] Voice 30: valid for Indigenous community members to speak to their experiences and their expectations of

[0:31:25] Voice 30: respectful relationships. We will uphold cultural safety. We recognize that public meetings have not

[0:31:33] Voice 30: always been a safe or welcoming place for Indigenous people. That includes giving space

[0:31:38] Voice 30: for Indigenous voices, being mindful of how language affects people, and addressing harmful

[0:31:44] Voice 30: harmful comments if they arise. We will keep this conversation constructive. Every participant

[0:31:50] Voice 30: brings valuable opinions and ideas, knowledge and lived experience. All voices deserve to

[0:31:56] Voice 30: be heard. I want to thank you in advance for helping us to create the respectful and productive

[0:32:03] Voice 30: environment in which all participants feel safe and valued and able to participate fully.

[0:32:10] Voice 30: As your chair, I ask each speaker today to help us uphold these principles, we can disagree,

[0:32:18] Voice 30: we can ask tough questions, but we can express our worries, but we must do this in a way

[0:32:25] Voice 30: that honors the dignity of everyone in this room and respects us in the name of First

[0:32:29] Voice 30: Nation, whose territory we share.

[0:32:33] Voice 30: So when addressing the local trust committee, we ask that you direct your comments to us,

[0:32:38] Voice 30: the local trustees not the audience and not staff speak about issues not

[0:32:45] Voice 30: individuals be clear concise and respectful we don't clap or boo I can

[0:32:53] Voice 30: read all these things and I know you're hearing them but also you're from

[0:32:57] Voice 30: Gabriel or your neighbors your friends and so let's always bring that to mind

[0:33:02] Voice 30: when we have conversations today so with that I'm going to ask for a show of hands of who wants to

[0:33:11] Voice 30: speak and we'll use we'll just sort of have to move through the room all right I'm going to

[0:33:16] Voice 30: start with you and then you're next

[0:33:19] Voice 9: yeah

[0:33:21] Voice 30: if you can keep your comments extremely brief

[0:33:24] Voice 30: I prefer two minutes or less as we have a lot of people here we can come back oh yeah state your

[0:33:32] Voice 30: My

[0:33:33] Voice 27: question is, a lot of people are stakeholders because they live within the Baja Zone, the

[0:33:41] Voice 27: 200-meter Baja Zone of the beach and of the Kensington Lanes.

[0:33:45] Voice 27: Who of those stakeholders did you contact by letter?

[0:33:50] Voice 27: Because the demographic here in Gabriela is 60 and above.

[0:33:55] Voice 27: A lot of people don't go on the internet to check the Iron's Trust website every day.

[0:34:01] Voice 27: so why such a small venue did you not expect so many people to show up and why was the public

[0:34:08] Voice 27: not informed i

[0:34:10] Voice 30: mean i know there's a lot of people that are interested in what's being

[0:34:13] Voice 30: referred to as this buffer zone there is no draft bylaws or proposed buffer zones before us at this

[0:34:21] Voice 30: time but it's a discussion there there is no discussion at this time we're going to be hearing

[0:34:27] Voice 30: from the art where things are are going uh if and when i can repeat just sort of process as the ocp

[0:34:36] Voice 30: and land use bylaw move forward this body would have to see draft bylaws they would have to give

[0:34:41] Voice 30: readings to those draft bylaws during that reading cycle there would be community information

[0:34:48] Voice 30: meetings that would be publicly posted and held there would also eventually be a public hearing

[0:34:55] Voice 30: which is a very formal process that would take in consideration of the interest,

[0:35:00] Voice 30: make sure that the venue and space is set up for that.

[0:35:04] Voice 30: Then it would move to the Executive Committee for approval,

[0:35:08] Voice 30: then moves to the Minister of Municipal Affairs for approval.

[0:35:13] Voice 30: So there's a very lengthy and long process, and we haven't even begun it.

[0:35:19] Voice 30: So I'm going to have to wait until we receive the information ourselves in a little bit,

[0:35:24] Voice 30: And that's going to be item 10 on the agenda that's been moved before the application.

[0:35:27] Voice 30: So I'd encourage you to listen to that.

[0:35:30] Voice 30: Thank you.

[0:35:30] Voice 30: The next person over here, I see your hand, yes.

[0:35:33] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:35:34] Voice 12: My name is Lisa Webster.

[0:35:35] Voice 12: I'm a 20-year resident of Gabriola, a 34-year experienced government employee at all levels

[0:35:41] Voice 12: of government, including St. Mark's First Nation.

[0:35:44] Voice 12: Thank you for saying that, Chair, because I feel at this point, I think that you should

[0:35:48] Voice 12: shelve the idea of that 200-meter buffer.

[0:35:51] Voice 12: And I have been calling it the omnibuffer, including all of those interests into one bylaw is really a move you do before re-election.

[0:36:04] Voice 12: I think that by doing that, you're watering down how we will deal with the inherent rights of Sinead on Gabriela.

[0:36:13] Voice 12: And I think that that deserves in and of itself its own considerations.

[0:36:16] Voice 12: I think that what I am adhering, I have had so many people reach out to me based on my experience, based on the fact that I might be the only Indigenous person they know, and asking questions about how this ought to be.

[0:36:31] Voice 12: you need to not hide your head away from the Cowichan decision and the Chakotan decision.

[0:36:39] Voice 12: You need to begin an education of educating all Gabrielians about land tenure and inherent rights,

[0:36:47] Voice 12: because we will have changes. We have a specific claim that's been settled.

[0:36:52] Voice 12: That land tenure changes might come. I participated in an environmental meeting

[0:36:58] Voice 12: during the OCP review and I was simply aghast at a conversation that was there

[0:37:07] Voice 12: where the comment was made we do not know what they will do on there on those

[0:37:12] Voice 12: lines it was a race-based comment and it was neither staff nor trustee

[0:37:19] Voice 12: Elliott who was there stepped up to address it I with my own background

[0:37:23] Voice 12: knowledge tried to address it but again the question was reiterated with the

[0:37:28] Voice 12: the tone and timbre. I think that the island's trustees have to step up and really begin a

[0:37:34] Voice 12: program of education that explains how lands are held in BC, what it means, what tenure means,

[0:37:43] Voice 12: what does it mean to you as a landholder? Because at the end of the day, my relationship

[0:37:47] Voice 12: is not with the trustees alone. As a landholder here on Cape Rolla, I have to have a relationship

[0:37:53] Voice 12: was to name a First Nation.

[0:37:55] Voice 12: I have to understand both their process and our process.

[0:37:59] Voice 12: And right now that clarity of even in the processes that we have,

[0:38:04] Voice 12: processes that you have right now to the protection

[0:38:09] Voice 12: of archaeological resources on this island, they're not working.

[0:38:13] Voice 12: The by-laws don't work.

[0:38:15] Voice 12: You're not enforcing by-laws, so making more by-laws.

[0:38:19] Voice 12: So this is the perfect opportunity to shelve more by-laws

[0:38:22] Voice 12: and really begin to look at how you can help landowners and landowners

[0:38:27] Voice 12: to really be supportive of the protection of heritage resources

[0:38:32] Voice 12: to work in concert with Sinema First Nation.

[0:38:36] Voice 12: The number one impediment to the protection of archaeological resources

[0:38:40] Voice 12: on Gabriola is funds, is money.

[0:38:45] Voice 12: If you have the money to be able to assess your property properly,

[0:38:50] Voice 12: you can come up with collaborative approaches to protect that heritage coming up with another

[0:38:55] Voice 12: bylaw that will not be enforced or will be selectively enforced is not going to cut it

[0:39:02] Voice 12: we really need to look at how you the trustees can lobby the province can lobby the government

[0:39:10] Voice 12: of canada to step up and provide that funding work for a way to provide that funding because

[0:39:16] Voice 12: Because what we're seeing is that nobody is considering it a cost of building

[0:39:20] Voice 12: or a cost of doing business, and it is being shuffled aside.

[0:39:24] Voice 12: And so we need to have the support of processes.

[0:39:27] Voice 12: If you're a building on a steep slope, you have to get an engineering report.

[0:39:31] Voice 12: There are people at the REN who look at that.

[0:39:33] Voice 12: They're funded to do that.

[0:39:35] Voice 12: If you know you're in an archaeological spot, you have no support as a landowner.

[0:39:40] Voice 12: That's what we need to build.

[0:39:41] Voice 12: We need to build funding for Sinema, for their resources to participate,

[0:39:46] Voice 12: collaborative landholders. We need to have resources for the Islands Trust.

[0:39:51] Voice 12: We need to have all of that in place, not another by-law that won't be enforced because you don't

[0:39:56] Voice 12: have the budgets for it. Let's step up, let's approach the province, let's get this in place,

[0:40:01] Voice 12: and we can do it together as a community because the community wants that certainty.

[0:40:07] Voice 12: we can't live without within the uncertainty of the current processes of the island's trust

[0:40:14] Voice 12: we need to know that when we're applying for a building port or we want to do something on our

[0:40:19] Voice 12: we need certainty and i say that as a mohawk woman as a first nation woman we need to look

[0:40:27] Voice 1: at

[0:40:27] Voice 12: how we are doing how to do things differently and i do acknowledge that even here uh trustee

[0:40:33] Voice 12: gates is on record for going to the province and forcing the province trying to force the province

[0:40:39] Voice 12: to negotiate with sunayma to for acquisition of land and how is that reconciliation okay this is

[0:40:47] Voice 12: what i'm here to say and i'm happy to chat with anybody but the but the knowledge and the and

[0:40:54] Voice 12: all of this experience must come from our trustees work together with sunayma we need to go to the

[0:41:01] Voice 12: the hardcore, nobody understands the land use

[0:41:04] Voice 12: and what it might mean to have a First Nation ownership of land, et cetera.

[0:41:11] Voice 12: So, and I'm here in the last, I do want to digress for a moment

[0:41:16] Voice 12: and I want to map it back up on your website

[0:41:18] Voice 12: because that piece of information, people need to know.

[0:41:23] Voice 12: Where am I with all these land use bylaws

[0:41:26] Voice 12: and what's happening?

[0:41:27] Voice 12: Folks who may not have looked at their lands for decades.

[0:41:29] Voice 12: we need that information and we need it in an easy and accessible way to do it thank you thank you

[0:41:35] Voice 12: i saw

[0:41:36] Voice 30: a hand over here no clapping we don't clap i'm sorry because we want all speakers to feel

[0:41:40] Voice 30: comfortable and safe to speak here today so that's why we don't clap we don't move so i really

[0:41:45] Voice 30: appreciate that public speaking is difficult for people so we need to respond i'm not going to

[0:41:51] Trustee Elliott: respond but should staff clarify that the buffer zone is or is not a bylaw because that was a

[0:41:57] Voice 4: A

[0:41:57] Trustee Elliott: question, are we creating more bylaws that are going to work that we can't enforce?

[0:42:01] Trustee Elliott: I'll hear you, Chet.

[0:42:02] Trustee Elliott: Would you want to

[0:42:03] Voice 10: answer that at this point?

[0:42:04] Voice 10: I mean, I can speak very directly to it.

[0:42:06] Voice 10: Sure.

[0:42:09] Voice 10: Draft OTP.

[0:42:10] Voice 10: Very draft draft.

[0:42:11] Voice 10: That's why you haven't seen anything.

[0:42:13] Voice 10: This is, so as a staff person working on this, I've collected all of the feedback that we've

[0:42:22] Voice 10: gotten from our public process.

[0:42:25] Voice 10: We had what I think was a really great public process, starting with identifying values

[0:42:30] Voice 10: and getting into the details around policies.

[0:42:34] Voice 10: And we engaged a lot of different community members, a ton of information to go through.

[0:42:40] Voice 10: So over the last many months, Stephen and I have been going through all of that information

[0:42:49] Voice 10: with respect to this idea of 200 meters um i mean that was sort of put out there

[0:42:55] Voice 10: um as a conversation mostly around uh when we're considering where any additional so there's a lot

[0:43:04] Voice 10: of conversation about the need for housing to this community and it came up in the uh conversations

[0:43:08] Voice 10: around economy, businesses are challenging because of housing, so there's been conversation

[0:43:17] Voice 10: around how do we facilitate the ability for more housing.

[0:43:20] Voice 10: So one of the options is looking at secondary suites.

[0:43:25] Voice 10: So really, this is like pretty much, this is most of everything brought together, and

[0:43:31] Voice 10: the only place where the consideration of proximity to the ocean comes in is where we

[0:43:37] Voice 10: we add the additional ability to have another unit.

[0:43:41] Voice 10: That's really the only place.

[0:43:43] Voice 10: So right now you can have additional units.

[0:43:46] Voice 10: There are some areas on the island,

[0:43:47] Voice 10: some zones where you can have an additional unit.

[0:43:50] Voice 10: So it's a consideration of where could there be

[0:43:52] Voice 10: on the island where it's not going,

[0:43:54] Voice 10: where it's gonna have the least amount of impact.

[0:43:57] Voice 10: Well, that's where the consideration

[0:43:58] Voice 10: of distance from the foreshore come into play

[0:44:01] Voice 10: because there's many, many elements.

[0:44:03] Voice 10: We've received the,

[0:44:06] Voice 10: we're hoping for a report in February on the freshwater footprint, so you'll see how that

[0:44:11] Voice 10: relates to the foreshore. I'm really excited, going to be interested to have a look at this

[0:44:17] Voice 10: work that's been done on sea level rise. So those are all elements that kind of contribute to us

[0:44:22] Voice 10: saying, you know, it's probably not the best place to allow additional things. So what you've got

[0:44:27] Voice 10: now, you're allowed to have what you've got now. We're not, you know, we haven't looked at that

[0:44:32] Voice 10: yet unless unless when this comes out and people want to want things to be much more more stringent

[0:44:37] Voice 10: um at this point the only way that we've used that perspective is in identifying where you may be

[0:44:44] Voice 10: able to be allowed to have something one one thing more than you're not able to have um so that's and

[0:44:51] Voice 10: it's like i said very specifically the second a secondary suite that's the only way that's the

[0:44:58] Voice 10: only one that's the only thing that's integrated into this so it's it's not a bylaw and it's not

[0:45:03] Voice 10: a bylaw as as trustee patrick pointed out um there when you're going through a pro the creating new

[0:45:11] Voice 10: policies or bylaws about you know policies regulations so we got policies in the ocp

[0:45:16] Voice 10: they basically they basically tell you what you what you can put into your land use bylaw which

[0:45:21] Voice 10: is the enforcement piece right so that's where the the the enforcement comes in um there's

[0:45:27] Voice 10: there's there's a legal process related to that that you have to go through to

[0:45:33] Voice 10: inform the public and engage and there's also best practices which is to do

[0:45:42] Voice 10: engagement that is beyond the requirement and generally in the

[0:45:47] Voice 10: Islands Trust we've gone with the best practice way of going moving and

[0:45:52] Voice 10: because the communities on the islands are very engaged and I know your

[0:45:56] Voice 10: trustees will be uh you know they're they're very much interested in having good process and so

[0:46:01] Voice 10: as we move forward though there there will be many more opportunities before any decisions are made

[0:46:08] Voice 30: thank

[0:46:08] Voice 10: you so

[0:46:10] Voice 30: i saw a hand over over here i believe which is partially

[0:46:13] Voice 19: partially answered

[0:46:14] Voice 19: you told us at length about the committees people have to need to talk about these things

[0:46:27] Voice 19: Mayor Mrakas, On the.

[0:46:27] Voice 19: Mayor Mrakas, about all the policies and the meetings and the committees that have to get together, but you managed to produce a map and a distance and all kinds of things, and I worry about how.

[0:46:39] Voice 19: Mayor Mrakas, We found out that the college Atlanta course for 14 years became public knowledge so you've got a huge report you've got a mouth to tell us not to worry she even use the word yet

[0:46:53] Trustee Elliott: yeah.

[0:46:54] Voice 19: Yeah, it's good to know. I'm worried. So

[0:46:57] Trustee Elliott: what is your name, sir? John Christian.

[0:46:58] Trustee Elliott: Thank you. Is that a

[0:46:59] Voice 30: function? Just a comment. That's all right. Next, go ahead.

[0:47:05] Voice 30: I

[0:47:05] Voice 13: hear a lot of people's concerns.

[0:47:08] Voice 19: I'm very concerned about this. It's just a random pick of 200 meters for the entire island and all of our fortified areas.

[0:47:20] Voice 19: is when you say that we're going to add a restriction

[0:47:25] Voice 19: potentially, whether it be a bylaw or a policy or whatever,

[0:47:28] Voice 19: that's essentially rezoning.

[0:47:30] Voice 19: And the rezoning would change value.

[0:47:32] Voice 19: And I have a big concern about doing it just

[0:47:35] Voice 19: without looking at law by law and deciding whether that law

[0:47:42] Voice 19: should or shouldn't because of other issues,

[0:47:44] Voice 19: like climate change or whatever.

[0:47:46] Voice 19: So I'm just concerned that this has gone way too far ahead before the community is really

[0:47:53] Voice 19: interested.

[0:47:54] Voice 19: Where did this come from?

[0:47:55] Voice 19: Who initiated this?

[0:47:57] Voice 19: I was on a map.

[0:47:58] Voice 19: I went to the Haven meeting and this map shows up and there was great discussion in our little

[0:48:05] Voice 19: group that said, we don't want this.

[0:48:07] Voice 19: This is not the way we want to move forward with this.

[0:48:11] Voice 19: So we're really worried about this being pushed forward before anyone's had a chance to really

[0:48:17] Voice 19: understand all

[0:48:19] Trustee Elliott: right

[0:48:24] Voice 30: um i'm no first second time speakers we've got lots of first-time speakers

[0:48:28] Voice 30: i'm going to stay with first-time speakers i saw a hand just pop up back there go ahead

[0:48:33] Voice 19: my name is gordon lawson and i live on uh obviously and i think a lot of this what we're

[0:48:40] Voice 19: talking about right now especially this 200 meter thing et cetera et cetera et cetera it's

[0:48:46] Voice 19: It's violating charter of rights for our country, because I don't have some of the rights we're taking up and running with.

[0:48:56] Voice 19: This is not right.

[0:48:59] Voice 19: There's also a group in the country that are prepared to fight for our rights as citizens against the governmental infrastructure in this country.

[0:49:08] Voice 19: And that's what I'm going to look into myself, because what she said makes no sense to me.

[0:49:14] Voice 19: No sense at all.

[0:49:16] Voice 19: I sit in my house and I wonder, is it going to be mine next week, or is it going to belong to somebody else, because I'm on the waterfront, and how is that going to affect me 200 meters?

[0:49:28] Voice 19: It's going to affect the people across the street from me.

[0:49:31] Voice 19: It's crazy.

[0:49:34] Voice 19: Nobody seems to care.

[0:49:35] Voice 19: Nobody seems to care.

[0:49:38] Voice 19: These people are all concerned because they're going to lose their homes.

[0:49:43] Voice 30: Thank you, sir.

[0:49:44] Voice 30: there's no no one is saying saying that so go ahead next over here um what's your name

[0:49:51] Voice 6: thank you i do feel like there is some way that the trust that can come together to

[0:50:01] Voice 6: a little bit more clarity i also have seen that there has been a lot put out online

[0:50:08] Voice 6: and what i've been seeing in my the community around me a lot of people are reading what has

[0:50:16] Voice 6: been put up by the trust and not understanding it there's also i can't speak to the room i'm not

[0:50:27] Voice 6: trying to be correct um i understand that a lot of this meeting is because people are scared

[0:50:39] Voice 6: if you put aside your fear and you start understanding and really looking forward

[0:50:44] Voice 6: to what is happening on the island and that the island trust is trying to inform you

[0:50:51] Voice 6: I think there'll be a lot more questions that are answered. No one is going to be

[0:50:54] Voice 6: coming and taking your headphones. That point blank not happening. We need to move together,

[0:51:03] Voice 6: together. We need to move forward together and asking questions that are going to be inclusive,

[0:51:10] Voice 6: not exclusive. It's the only way forward. Thank you.

[0:51:19] Voice 30: I'm sorry, I'm trying to be fair in the way I'm coming, so I'm going over to this side of the room.

[0:51:27] Voice 17: Good morning, trustees. My name is Gavin Coven.

[0:51:31] Voice 17: The Islands Trust has created a lot of uncertainty, fear, and confusion among Gabriela residents regarding proposed changes to the land use regulations.

[0:51:39] Voice 17: I am here to ask you to remove the 200-meter setback and the additional cultural heritage protection zone from the Gabriela OCP review.

[0:51:47] Voice 17: Would you say if there are any other islands in the island trucks that are proposing a 200-meter setback around their entire island, as you have proposed here on Gabriola?

[0:51:58] Voice 17: The proposal as it stands has far-reaching and significant negative implications for residents of Gabriola.

[0:52:06] Voice 17: In light of recent developments of the BC provincial government having halted the review of the BC Heritage Act review, it would seem prudent to wait until this has been clarified.

[0:52:16] Voice 17: In conclusion, please remove the 200-metre setback and additional cultural heritage protection

[0:52:21] Voice 17: zone from the Gabriela OCP review, as there has been inadequate community consultation.

[0:52:28] Voice 16: No, no, no, I'm

[0:52:30] Trustee Elliott: sorry, please, please, please, we cannot clap or boo, please.

[0:52:36] Trustee Elliott: It is important to me that we keep this safe, that anyone feels comfortable speaking in

[0:52:41] Trustee Elliott: this room, please.

[0:52:42] Trustee Elliott: Chair Patrick, I wonder if Planner Chadwick could comment on perhaps on what Denman Island

[0:52:49] Trustee Elliott: is doing and whether the terminology of setback has a specific land use planning application

[0:52:56] Trustee Elliott: and so that was used multiple times, is the 200 meter buffer zone a setback?

[0:53:02] Voice 10: It's not a setback.

[0:53:03] Voice 10: A setback is a very focused regulatory tool and you have setbacks on this island and anyone

[0:53:11] Voice 10: who's ever tried to apply for a building permit or a development permit or a development program

[0:53:16] Voice 10: anything will know that right um so when you apply um the the the land use file has the regulations

[0:53:24] Voice 10: which are the ones that apply to your properties and every zone has a setback and setbacks from the

[0:53:30] Voice 10: sea uh tend to be a little uh a little longer further and then 30 meters yeah um then and

[0:53:39] Voice 10: and there's setbacks from the front

[0:53:41] Voice 10: and there's setbacks from the side.

[0:53:42] Voice 10: So that's a setback,

[0:53:43] Voice 10: it's a very specific regulatory tool.

[0:53:45] Voice 10: This is not about being a very specific

[0:53:48] Voice 10: regulatory tool.

[0:53:50] Voice 10: It was introduced just as a lens or a perspective,

[0:53:54] Voice 10: just to almost like a heads up,

[0:53:55] Voice 10: like heads up, this is an area of,

[0:54:02] Voice 10: that might need some more consideration.

[0:54:04] Voice 10: Again, when I come back to,

[0:54:06] Voice 10: if you want to add anything more to that area,

[0:54:09] Voice 10: That's really what it's about. It's like those

[0:54:11] Voice 12: already exist within the bylaws

[0:54:14] Voice 12: Excuse me, we're gonna take

[0:54:18] Voice 12: Please let's let's let's let's keep

[0:54:23] Trustee Elliott: order and in the room. I really would like to keep order

[0:54:28] Voice 10: so the

[0:54:30] Voice 10: community is now in a process of

[0:54:32] Voice 10: of revising the plan, which is basically taking the values,

[0:54:41] Voice 10: we've identified values in the community,

[0:54:43] Voice 10: and identifying how does those look like on the island?

[0:54:52] Voice 10: How do you implement those given the differences

[0:54:54] Voice 10: that we have available to us, which are things like zoning,

[0:54:57] Voice 10: et cetera?

[0:54:58] Voice 10: And like I said before, there's been a lot of conversation and focus around the need for housing, and that the need for a variety of housing, and then we start to think about, well, how can we facilitate that?

[0:55:13] Voice 10: And like I said, like I mentioned previously, it's by adding more, the ability to have smaller units for rental is one of the key things.

[0:55:28] Voice 10: perspectives the ability to have to zone for multiple units perhaps right so again taking

[0:55:36] Voice 10: into into that perspective what what we can actually what can actually happen focusing on

[0:55:42] Voice 10: on the housing piece it's about looking at where where are the most how to be in the most hazardous

[0:55:50] Voice 10: are just areas, right? So as I mentioned, looking at the OCP, looking at how we integrate all this

[0:55:58] Voice 10: information that we brought, the only place that that perspective lands is, does it make sense to

[0:56:06] Voice 10: put additional units in these areas, permit more units than the existing OCP already has? Does it

[0:56:14] Voice 10: makes sense to put permit more units than the current policies allow in those areas that are

[0:56:21] Voice 10: identified to be of life's concern that's the only place where this perspective comes into play

[0:56:28] Voice 10: can

[0:56:29] Voice 4: i just have just a quick question of clarity planner chadwick um i think mr colford asked

[0:56:36] Voice 4: were there any other

[0:56:37] Trustee Elliott: islands in the trust area that we're looking at the 200 meter right and i

[0:56:42] Trustee Elliott: I understand that Denman Island is looking at it.

[0:56:45] Voice 10: Yeah, we had a conversation,

[0:56:46] Voice 10: we had a meeting on Denman Island on Thursday.

[0:56:50] Voice 10: They have a housing project.

[0:56:51] Voice 10: It's quite a robust housing project

[0:56:54] Voice 10: that's including changes to their OCP

[0:56:56] Voice 10: as well as to their land use bylaw.

[0:56:58] Voice 10: It's been a very detailed process.

[0:57:00] Voice 10: I encourage you to go to the website

[0:57:02] Voice 10: and have a look at it if you're interested.

[0:57:05] Voice 10: This perspective was introduced

[0:57:06] Voice 10: to the community for discussion.

[0:57:09] Voice 10: and in the last meeting they looked at it as a the area that it they agreed

[0:57:18] Voice 10: that that was an area that they didn't want to add any additional permissions

[0:57:23] Voice 10: they agreed to removing specifically from that area that was a conversation as

[0:57:31] Voice 10: well so if you'd like to see where other islands are considering that the

[0:57:38] Voice 10: the conversation we've just had on Denman Island and that that's you know all of our LTC meetings

[0:57:42] Voice 10: are recorded and uh the minutes are also available so you can go and have a look on it right now

[0:57:51] Voice 30: I'm

[0:57:51] Voice 30: going to keep going forward uh we heard your statement I'm grateful for thank you I'm going

[0:57:55] Voice 30: to go back to the woman there in the back please okay um

[0:57:59] Voice 6: thank you so much for speaking and sharing

[0:58:03] Voice 6: but what I'm personally feeling and have a question is what I feel is that there's an

[0:58:10] Voice 6: impact that happened to to all of these people and you're talking about intention these are the

[0:58:19] Voice 6: intentions that you weren't meaning to put everyone in a state of kind of fear and where

[0:58:26] Voice 6: am I going to live and what's going to happen to my property that I've been investing all of my

[0:58:31] Voice 6: life into so as I appreciate you sharing your

[0:58:36] Voice 15: intentions what I think is needed is that we

[0:58:39] Voice 15: need to talk about the impact that happened how we can become we are actually are all on the same

[0:58:46] Voice 15: team so how can we get back into everyone getting on the boat into us being that team that we're

[0:58:56] Voice 15: actually we already are so

[0:58:59] Voice 12: if you can share maybe or take an understanding

[0:59:03] Voice 6: of the impact that's

[0:59:05] Voice 6: happened by this map by this information that now is being shared how we can move forward like what

[0:59:13] Voice 6: is what is it going to look like from your side is it going to look forward how this can be

[0:59:18] Voice 6: alleviated like this information i feel worried i don't i don't own a fucking piece of property here

[0:59:24] Voice 6: I just live here and

[0:59:26] Voice 12: I'm a sovereign person so wherever I stand I'm going to pick up that

[0:59:29] Voice 12: fucking garbage or I'm going to greet somebody hi hi so this is my community I don't own land here

[0:59:38] Voice 12: but this land is very important to me here

[0:59:40] Voice 29: so I'm a team player I see all these people they're all

[0:59:44] Voice 29: team players I look at your faces I see team player team player team player team player team

[0:59:49] Voice 29: so let's talk about impact maybe you can share hey oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry that

[0:59:56] Voice 29: everyone had to feel scared i'm so sorry

[1:00:00] Voice 12: that you are in a state of survival right now you don't deserve that everyone's working really hard

[1:00:07] Voice 12: here to be the best people there they are so including you i can see that so

[1:00:16] Voice 6: let's push this

[1:00:18] Voice 6: around we need more information

[1:00:21] Voice 9: we

[1:00:22] Voice 6: need more the

[1:00:26] Voice 31: recognition of a product

[1:00:28] Voice 9: then

[1:00:30] Voice 31: people can come back

[1:00:32] Voice 31: down,

[1:00:32] Voice 27: get out our animalistic brains, and hear what you're trying to say. How would you like to

[1:00:41] Voice 30: move forward now? Okay.

[1:00:44] Voice 30: Thank you. I'd like to thank you because we have learned. I think the

[1:00:49] Voice 30: staff, I was not at that workshop, but I think they were trying to give everything is my impression

[1:00:54] Voice 30: of what has happened as they shared everything that anything was thinking about. And you're

[1:01:00] Voice 30: right information can walk away and become something completely different so we are

[1:01:05] Voice 30: listening we are aware we know you're intimately involved and care deeply about the future of this

[1:01:12] Voice 30: island and want to be part of it so i can guarantee when the next opportunity to go out to

[1:01:18] Voice 30: the public we're going to be we have learned um so thank you for those words that you just you just

[1:01:28] Trustee Elliott: brought

[1:01:28] Voice 30: oh sorry

[1:01:30] Trustee Elliott: can i respond so as a local trustee i do want to acknowledge that and thank

[1:01:34] Trustee Elliott: you for bringing that and it was one of the things i was hoping we could have a conversation about

[1:01:39] Trustee Elliott: today um during the ocp uh dialogue so i would like to address that with the resolution um but i

[1:01:47] Trustee Elliott: there was a lot of that came together in the context of the couch and tribes decision a lot

[1:01:53] Trustee Elliott: lot of uncertainty over land title and values and then this over top of it without good information

[1:01:58] Trustee Elliott: and I totally get people got scared so we didn't do a great job although we tried to keep saying

[1:02:05] Trustee Elliott: it's not a regulation it's not going to impact property rights that wasn't heard so we need to

[1:02:10] Trustee Elliott: reset and engage with where you're at and I and I think staff did their absolute best I really do

[1:02:19] Trustee Elliott: We put out multiple articles in the paper and everything.

[1:02:24] Trustee Elliott: But regulation is hard to understand.

[1:02:27] Trustee Elliott: Policymaking is difficult to understand.

[1:02:29] Trustee Elliott: It's taken me three and a half years, and we're still wrestling with some of the fundamentals of what is policy, what is regulation.

[1:02:35] Trustee Elliott: So I think the public was not ready for the nuance that

[1:02:40] Voice 9: we thought was.

[1:02:41] Trustee Elliott: So, well, some of you maybe.

[1:02:43] Trustee Elliott: Let's just go on.

[1:02:44] Trustee Elliott: But yeah, thanks.

[1:02:45] Trustee Elliott: I recognize that.

[1:02:48] Trustee Elliott: i'd

[1:02:49] Voice 30: like to keep i'm going to keep going i i encourage you guys to enter dialogue later i'm

[1:02:54] Voice 30: going to keep going we have a lot of speakers here that want to speak and you've been very

[1:02:57] Voice 30: patient with your hand

[1:02:58] Voice 2: raised for a while

[1:02:59] Voice 30: so down on the floor here the floor is yours

[1:03:02] Voice 2: my name is jasmine house uh i uh have the gabriella theater center on my i don't like

[1:03:11] Voice 2: to call it my land because i'd like to think it's going to be for everyone one of the things that is

[1:03:18] Voice 2: fundamental is that we are in a time of change where we are really trying to deconstruct

[1:03:26] Voice 2: the colonial overarching view that our society has been made on and because of that and the and the

[1:03:34] Voice 2: the reconciliation and the importance of being able to share the land and work with the sunayman

[1:03:41] Voice 2: we have to understand there are going to be times where it is going to be frightening and scary

[1:03:48] Voice 2: but we can work together as a community and move forward so i echo those statements

[1:03:56] Voice 2: and i really think that the trust lots of things have created where we are now i appreciate that

[1:04:05] Voice 2: acknowledgement but I also really think that we have to understand we are undoing many many things

[1:04:12] Voice 2: and that is going to be challenging because it goes against so much of what we have known for

[1:04:20] Voice 2: a very long time as a way of being as our societal structures and that we really need to come

[1:04:29] Voice 2: together with a deeper understanding of the Indigenous view because they have been caretakers

[1:04:38] Voice 2: of the land for time immemorial and if we really want to acknowledge what that means,

[1:04:42] Voice 2: we have to, I answer comments, we have to move together in new ways and this is the only way we

[1:04:53] Voice 2: will be able to survive as a as a world we have to work together we have to come together as a

[1:05:00] Voice 2: community excuse me one speaker at a time one speaker at a time everyone's voice matters

[1:05:06] Voice 2: please the stewards of the land and if you are a steward of your of the land that you live on

[1:05:12] Voice 2: you have the same interest and if the if the island's trust wants to make sure that we care

[1:05:19] Voice 2: care for everything around us and in front of us, this is what will enable there to be

[1:05:26] Voice 2: land for the children of the future.

[1:05:29] Voice 2: We cannot do this in a battle.

[1:05:33] Voice 2: We have to be able to hear each other and work together.

[1:05:37] Voice 2: And there are those that have no more than us, and that's okay.

[1:05:41] Voice 2: We can let us go to that place.

[1:05:46] Voice 2: All right.

[1:05:47] Trustee Elliott: Did you speak already once? Sorry, I can't

[1:05:50] Trustee Elliott: keep track of it. Go ahead.

[1:05:55] Voice 13: My name is Daniel. I just don't like when somebody is talking about fear. Fear is something that may happen.

[1:06:05] Voice 13: We're not going to talk about that case.

[1:06:08] Voice 13: All the gentlemen here and one the other, they ask, 14 years in process, nobody knows this is not your life anymore.

[1:06:17] Voice 13: I would like if anybody of you can answer people on Gabriela, is it any process under that we don't know and made tomorrow, oh, this is not anymore your life.

[1:06:29] Voice 13: Can you give all your life for that?

[1:06:32] Voice 13: Is anybody can give this old man answer?

[1:06:36] Voice 9: They need to.

[1:06:38] Voice 9: I think we can say that we don't know.

[1:06:40] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:06:41] Voice 13: This old man there.

[1:06:42] Voice 13: The question that we want to ask, if you don't know the answer, say,

[1:06:47] Voice 13: we don't know this.

[1:06:48] Voice 13: But if you know, please tell us.

[1:06:51] Voice 13: What is the process?

[1:06:52] Voice 13: And people in Richmond are reality.

[1:06:55] Voice 13: It's not something we'll maybe have.

[1:06:57] Voice 13: Right.

[1:06:58] Voice 30: We're not going to talk about that case today.

[1:07:01] Trustee Elliott: Can you clarify?

[1:07:02] Trustee Elliott: Our level of government cannot address the questions that you are asking

[1:07:08] Trustee Elliott: about land title and tenure we are not involved in conversation or negotiations that have to do

[1:07:15] Trustee Elliott: with aboriginal title that is not our level of jurisdiction so we cannot answer to that

[1:07:20] Trustee Elliott: other than say we do not have the power to alter land tenure and i agree we need more education on

[1:07:27] Trustee Elliott: that we are talking about ocp policies that come from the community that is not about land title

[1:07:34] Trustee Elliott: their tenure so that is that is not our level of government thank you um i see the woman over here

[1:07:41] Trustee Elliott: hi

[1:07:42] Voice 27: my name is connie um here's

[1:07:44] Voice 8: my kind of comment on the question we bought our place on the water

[1:07:50] Voice 8: decade and a half ago and we knew going in it was not within normal setbacks it's an old place

[1:07:57] Voice 8: i'm sure a lot of people on the island have a little place on the water there's been a family

[1:08:01] Voice 8: really bought and it's five or 600 square feet and you can't do anything

[1:08:06] Trustee Elliott: with it because you know

[1:08:08] Trustee Elliott: um you can't build on can't build up my question is if you're looking at doing a 200 meter

[1:08:16] Trustee Elliott: buffer are you now looking at people within 200 meters who potentially can't do a renovation to

[1:08:22] Trustee Elliott: bring a building out to code without going through six layers of government and spending three hundred

[1:08:31] Voice 12: I

[1:08:32] Voice 30: hear you and I don't know if I want to turn I can turn to staff I guess to clarify the difference

[1:08:36] Voice 30: between what

[1:08:38] Voice 10: legal non-conforming means like I think what you're talking about is it sounds like

[1:08:45] Voice 10: your your unit is like within the like within the setback already so if it's in then you have

[1:08:52] Voice 10: you have legal non-conforming protections if it existed prior to bylaws or prior to the change

[1:08:58] Voice 10: of regulations or bylaws then what you have can continue to exist and you can do renovations as

[1:09:05] Voice 10: long as you're within the building envelope the existing building envelope

[1:09:08] Voice 6: that's right

[1:09:12] Voice 30: all

[1:09:12] Voice 6: right

[1:09:13] Voice 30: let's again we have one speaker one speaker at a time yeah so good

[1:09:18] Trustee Elliott: question yeah

[1:09:23] Trustee Elliott: My

[1:09:24] Voice 4: name is Taylor. Thank you for some clarification with regard to impacting housing,

[1:09:34] Trustee Elliott: etc, etc.

[1:09:35] Trustee Elliott: What my concern is, is that that 200 meter boundary circles the whole island. I have

[1:09:43] Trustee Elliott: a small half acre piece we could never have a secondary housing on our property so i'm curious

[1:09:51] Trustee Elliott: why it was kind of a blanket as opposed to looking at properties that uh

[1:09:55] Voice 12: possibly could uh add extra

[1:09:58] Voice 12: housing for the community without which i'm for um but it's it seems like um everybody's being

[1:10:05] Trustee Elliott: impacted by this and I just would like some I'm curious why it wasn't kind of

[1:10:12] Trustee Elliott: that individually and in particular is that working potential support I don't

[1:10:20] Trustee Elliott: know if that's go ahead everything the chair I'd like to suggest maybe if

[1:10:24] Trustee Elliott: there's a few questions or comments related to the OCP project on the agenda

[1:10:30] Trustee Elliott: that if that can be captured and then addressed there yeah um because this is the yes comment

[1:10:37] Trustee Elliott: and capture those questions thank you but i'm cognizant that the chair may be wanting to yeah

[1:10:41] Voice 11: no i

[1:10:42] Voice 30: i do because we do need to move on so if that would be we heard your question i think good and

[1:10:47] Voice 30: this will give our staff some time to formulate as they move into that presentation because we

[1:10:52] Voice 30: have the same questions too so that that is good i'm not doing second speakers i appreciate that

[1:10:58] Voice 30: but there's still a room here so um are you a first-time speaker go ahead my

[1:11:04] Trustee Elliott: name is marie

[1:11:05] Trustee Elliott: and i just wanted to ask in the future when a person's property is in question where they can

[1:11:11] Trustee Elliott: be affected could not the homeowners be directly mailed to their door a letter informing them

[1:11:18] Trustee Elliott: because the internet is not as soon as everybody gets on every day yes thank

[1:11:25] Voice 30: you thank you yes

[1:11:26] Voice 30: out into the out into the back back stages back there go ahead

[1:11:31] Voice 8: is there any way we get to vote

[1:11:33] Voice 8: i i just

[1:11:36] Voice 30: repeated the process earlier one there's no bylaw in front of us that

[1:11:39] Voice 30: we see if and when a bylaw were to show up there would be notice there would be all of those things

[1:11:46] Voice 30: and there would be a public hearing eventually which is a very official process um but but there

[1:11:53] Voice 30: There is, at this point, there is no bylaw before us.

[1:11:55] Voice 30: We're going to hear more in a moment when we have the president.

[1:11:59] Voice 30: Okay.

[1:11:59] Voice 30: And I want to be clear, too, that it's important to me as we go forward that we repeat this process,

[1:12:07] Voice 30: that we show you pictures of the process with where you are in this process so that we

[1:12:12] Voice 30: have that clarity as well going forward.

[1:12:14] Voice 30: That's important.

[1:12:17] Voice 30: Because it's easy to misunderstand.

[1:12:20] Voice 30: I'm looking at your first-time speaker.

[1:12:22] Voice 30: okay

[1:12:23] Voice 29: um i just wanted to say something that i think we have to remember people which is exactly

[1:12:30] Voice 29: what crystal would say is that when we get scared one of our first reactions is get angry and we

[1:12:38] Voice 29: just do it

[1:12:39] Voice 29: it's it's it's universal um and when we get angry we stop listening and we make

[1:12:45] Voice 29: assumptions and i really appreciate what you guys have brought today to clarify because i didn't know

[1:12:51] Voice 29: all of this um so my question would be that was a comment just everybody who's getting angry

[1:12:57] Voice 29: chill out wait for the

[1:13:00] Voice 29: information and don't get angry um but on on the website excuse me

[1:13:06] Voice 29: i was respectful um but on the on the website which i get not everyone has access to but it's

[1:13:15] Voice 29: a starting point is these commonly asked questions that seem to be repeated i'm hearing philosophy

[1:13:21] Voice 29: exact same questions because they didn't listen so if there was a portal that just like a lot of

[1:13:27] Voice 29: websites say commonly asked questions that would answer some of these concerns people have i think

[1:13:33] Voice 29: that's really simple and it takes care of a lot of these concerns just keep beginning to prevent

[1:13:39] Voice 29: thank you yeah

[1:13:41] Voice 7: thank you um good morning everybody my name is kumchatsia my father

[1:13:47] Voice 7: was walsia from south my mother was a wesley from sminemo so when i and i'm a resident here

[1:13:56] Voice 7: on gabriola right now so when i um when i'm here i i feel um really as a part both of gabriola and

[1:14:08] Voice 7: And I wanted to say that my very first public meeting here in Gabriola was 20-some-odd years ago over at the Yankee Hall, and it was incredibly racist.

[1:14:20] Voice 7: There were suggestions that if Indians came to live here, they would be building casinos and burning tires, and it was awful.

[1:14:30] Voice 7: I retreated to the woods for 20 years before coming up

[1:14:34] Voice 7: and doing community work again.

[1:14:35] Voice 7: I want to say that my husband was saying to people I work with through the work that they were doing in educating the public that that they have changed the fabric of Gabriela.

[1:14:50] Voice 9: There's

[1:14:51] Voice 7: a higher desire for education, for understanding, for being a part of a relationship with Sinanimo.

[1:14:59] Voice 7: And that makes me feel really good.

[1:15:01] Voice 9: But

[1:15:02] Voice 7: I'm also saying I wanted to comment that in relation to that court case that we're not going to talk about here, that there's at the end of a meeting in this very building recently, I said, what's the appetite?

[1:15:18] Voice 7: And these were all white people. I said, what's the appetite? What do you think the appetite on this island is for seeking out speakers to bring more information about that court case?

[1:15:31] Voice 7: And mysteriously, everybody looked another way or started another conversation or did whatever.

[1:15:40] Voice 7: And my observation is, is that though I'm a big proponent of education, it's not my responsibility or Geraldine's responsibility or Crystal's responsibility to take on the mantle of doing that education.

[1:15:57] Voice 7: education and

[1:15:58] Voice 7: it's it's well you know it's your responsibility um and it's your responsibility

[1:16:05] Voice 7: in my view to do that in an open way where you're open to hearing all of the sides of the issue and

[1:16:14] Voice 7: not just trying to reinforce something through the colonial structures that have that have taken

[1:16:20] Voice 7: our land away that have put i don't know i'm not going to go into the litany i could but i'm not

[1:16:26] Voice 7: going to and but it's not my responsibility to do that um i would urge you to rather um

[1:16:36] Voice 7: seek out the experts go in and learn about these things rather than just coming with one perspective

[1:16:43] Voice 7: i also have a commentary a gentleman i think was he talked about um removing removing

[1:16:50] Voice 7: Removing cultural heritage protection and having some experience in heritage protection.

[1:16:59] Voice 7: I think that there could be a lot more if I spent 30 years of my life in that field.

[1:17:05] Voice 7: There could be a lot more cultural heritage protection.

[1:17:08] Voice 7: And for your insight, when you talk about removing them, that's not a safe place for me.

[1:17:15] Voice 7: me,

[1:17:15] Voice 15: that

[1:17:16] Voice 7: makes me feel that my ancestors and my heritage, I say this so that you know where

[1:17:24] Voice 7: I'm coming from, that feels threatening to me and I don't feel safe with that kind of

[1:17:28] Voice 7: comment.

[1:17:29] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:17:32] Voice 30: Excuse me.

[1:17:34] Voice 30: Excuse me.

[1:17:34] Voice 30: It's okay.

[1:17:35] Voice 30: I just one speaker.

[1:17:37] Voice 30: Thank you.

[1:17:38] Voice 30: And

[1:17:38] Voice 7: I also wanted to thank Trustee Elliott for explicitly saying what the mandate of

[1:17:44] Voice 7: of that trust is and um of your trust is um in relation to the this mysterious map

[1:17:52] Voice 7: that i

[1:17:53] Voice 7: don't know about but the 20 the 20 the 200 meters um i i think it's important that we

[1:18:01] Voice 7: be clear about what the the specific um responsibilities of the trust are because

[1:18:08] Voice 7: because obviously there's heightened response to that.

[1:18:12] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[1:18:13] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[1:18:15] Voice 30: Okay, I'm just cognizant of the time that we're going on.

[1:18:18] Voice 30: I know there's a lot of questions.

[1:18:19] Voice 30: I heard people who have new information that they would like to move along.

[1:18:24] Voice 30: I see this gentleman over here, and then I'll move to the woman in the purple jacket.

[1:18:28] Voice 28: Is it appropriate to talk about something else?

[1:18:41] Voice 28: I'd like to talk about, my name is Stephen Earl and I'd like to talk about the Trust

[1:18:44] Voice 28: Policy Statement, the draft.

[1:18:49] Voice 28: From the very start, in 1975, the Islands Trust Policy Statement included the words

[1:18:57] Voice 28: it's the Trust Council's policy that no island in the Trust Area should be connected

[1:19:01] Voice 28: to Vancouver Island, the mainland, or another island by a bridge or a tunnel where it's not

[1:19:08] Voice 28: withstanding the bridge between South and North Kender Islands. I am concerned that this statement

[1:19:15] Voice 28: is not in the new draft trust policy statement. So the outstanding natural beauty and rural island

[1:19:29] Voice 28: islands make them unique in the world, to a large degree those aspects are a result

[1:19:36] Voice 28: of their isolation from Vancouver Island. Bridges or tunnels to the trust islands would

[1:19:43] Voice 28: turn them into suburbs. The existence of this statement in the TPS was important in 2015

[1:19:50] Voice 28: when a group of Gabrielans wanted to build a bridge from Cedar to Mudge and from Mudge

[1:19:56] Voice 28: to get real it's just as important to have that statement the tbs and i have another comment

[1:20:07] Voice 28: and this one is can

[1:20:08] Voice 30: we give me just quiet here i know there's some side chatter i really appreciate

[1:20:12] Voice 30: it it's been kind of

[1:20:12] Trustee Elliott: hard here please i'm just asking these two to stop talking about everybody

[1:20:19] Voice 30: thank you yep just be quiet please

[1:20:23] Voice 28: this is about climate change anthropogenic climate change is the greatest challenge that

[1:20:29] Voice 28: but the only significant reference to climate change in the draft trust policy statement is

[1:20:36] Voice 28: as follows it's 3.4.5 implement planning and land use management strategies and consider

[1:20:44] Voice 28: nature-based solutions to minimize greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to climate change related

[1:20:51] Voice 28: related vulnerabilities. This statement is weak and it is vague. Future planners and trustees

[1:20:58] Voice 28: might struggle to understand it or they might find it easy to ignore.

[1:21:05] Voice 9: It

[1:21:06] Voice 28: needs to be louder

[1:21:07] Voice 28: and clearer and I suggest 3.4.5 implement planning and land use management strategies

[1:21:14] Voice 28: such as preservation of forests, preservation of natural wetlands, and concentration of residential density within walking distance of areas and commercial areas.

[1:21:28] Voice 28: And promote both human and nature-based solutions to minimize greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to climate change-related vulnerabilities.

[1:21:39] Voice 28: Thank you.

[1:21:40] Voice 28: Thank

[1:21:40] Trustee Elliott: you very much.

[1:21:41] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:21:42] Trustee Elliott: Okay, I just wanted to make a comment that everybody's letters who have written in from

[1:21:48] Trustee Elliott: Gabriela, your letters are on the on the policy statements website. And Trustee Yates and I have

[1:21:54] Trustee Elliott: read them all. And we will be giving a referral response today. And one of them is strengthening

[1:21:59] Trustee Elliott: climate change mitigation adaptation policies and having that as a guiding principle.

[1:22:04] Trustee Elliott: So thank you so much.

[1:22:06] Voice 4: We will also

[1:22:07] Trustee Elliott: be talking about the fixed link.

[1:22:09] Trustee Elliott: yeah and the fixed link all right so

[1:22:11] Voice 4: we heard all of

[1:22:12] Trustee Elliott: those comments thank you

[1:22:13] Trustee Elliott: okay any other oh yes you and the i'm sorry i promised you next

[1:22:24] Voice 8: i'm the reason in the

[1:22:27] Trustee Elliott: room why everyone should be afraid if they pay attention to what the trust

[1:22:32] Trustee Elliott: is doing to me and being destroyed but i would like to yield my time that i have over to the

[1:22:39] Trustee Elliott: the gentleman with the glasses, by the way,

[1:22:41] Trustee Elliott: that has something further to say on his.

[1:22:44] Trustee Elliott: Okay, that's not how we run the room.

[1:22:46] Voice 30: We're not doing second speakers at this point, so.

[1:22:49] Voice 30: Yield my time.

[1:22:50] Voice 30: Well, we don't yield time.

[1:22:52] Voice 30: This is individual speaking at this point.

[1:22:54] Voice 30: So I'm still looking for first time speakers.

[1:22:56] Voice 31: Okay, then I

[1:22:56] Voice 30: have something else to say.

[1:22:58] Voice 30: Okay.

[1:23:00] Voice 31: Some people, some

[1:23:02] Trustee Elliott: senior citizens tried to have a meeting

[1:23:04] Trustee Elliott: at the library on Tuesday,

[1:23:05] Trustee Elliott: state. And it was with the local NLP because of the clarity with

[1:23:13] Voice 15: federal, federal authority,

[1:23:16] Voice 15: what federal authority and federal jurisdiction

[1:23:18] Trustee Elliott: were. The library cancelled the meeting because

[1:23:23] Trustee Elliott: the librarian was phoned at home on her personal phone and told that

[1:23:32] Voice 8: the meeting was going

[1:23:32] Voice 8: to be disrupted. There was going to be picketing. I don't have all the details. I intend on getting

[1:23:39] Voice 8: them, but a

[1:23:41] Trustee Elliott: small group of senior citizens meeting with it and it was not a political meeting. It

[1:23:45] Trustee Elliott: wasn't conservative, liberal, green, NDP. It was a meeting with their federal representative

[1:23:54] Trustee Elliott: and people on Gabriela Highland pressured the librarians into cancelling the meeting.

[1:24:05] Trustee Elliott: So we could not assemble and ask for some clarity on some questions

[1:24:13] Trustee Elliott: so that we do have intelligent questions

[1:24:16] Trustee Elliott: and we do understand exactly this is federal, this is provincial,

[1:24:23] Trustee Elliott: this is the trust.

[1:24:25] Trustee Elliott: That's all the meeting was about.

[1:24:27] Trustee Elliott: And we were not allowed to have a meeting.

[1:24:30] Voice 30: I'd like our comments to be relevant to our business at hand.

[1:24:34] Trustee Elliott: because we're trying to get information so that we have better questions for the trust

[1:24:41] Trustee Elliott: but i just i hear i heard i've listened to a lot of rhetoric about how you don't have fear

[1:24:48] Trustee Elliott: and and the community and how the community support well that was just absolutely uh an example

[1:24:57] Trustee Elliott: example of why people do have fear and concerns, and why people speak that way.

[1:25:04] Trustee Elliott: Are we having new topics here? Okay, yes.

[1:25:07] Trustee Elliott: I am Jan Moore. We bill ourselves as

[1:25:11] Voice 8: a loving, caring community that supports one another in times of need.

[1:25:16] Voice 8: We also state, and I note the irony, at every meeting we live on stolen land.

[1:25:26] Voice 8: And a lot of

[1:25:28] Voice 8: the people here are worried their land is going to be stolen by First Nations.

[1:25:33] Voice 30: I'd like

[1:25:34] Voice 30: to give you an opportunity to rephrase.

[1:25:39] Voice 30: What is it that you'd like to say, please, but not that?

[1:25:43] Trustee Elliott: This is our land.

[1:25:45] Trustee Elliott: It's their land.

[1:25:46] Trustee Elliott: It's our land.

[1:25:47] Trustee Elliott: And we need to

[1:25:49] Voice 8: work together to preserve this land.

[1:25:52] Voice 8: And no rule, no bylaw is going to prevent climate change from the impact on this land.

[1:26:01] Voice 8: We are going to have to come together, whether you like

[1:26:06] Voice 31: it or not.

[1:26:07] Voice 31: And I

[1:26:08] Trustee Elliott: also want to give a big voice of gratitude to everyone here, the Islands Trust, Nanaimo, and Vanessa, who has already left.

[1:26:21] Trustee Elliott: that you are accessible to us.

[1:26:24] Trustee Elliott: The provincial government is not,

[1:26:27] Trustee Elliott: the federal government is not,

[1:26:29] Trustee Elliott: and they have you by the short and curlies.

[1:26:32] Trustee Elliott: They make the decisions

[1:26:33] Voice 8: on this island,

[1:26:35] Voice 8: and we need to make the decisions ourselves

[1:26:38] Voice 8: as a community, I'm done.

[1:26:40] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[1:26:41] Trustee Elliott: All right,

[1:26:43] Voice 30: I'm really cognizant of the time.

[1:26:45] Voice 30: It is getting on to noon here,

[1:26:47] Voice 30: and we have a meeting that is before us.

[1:26:51] Trustee Elliott: We've heard. What's that? You want to keep going through this?

[1:26:55] Trustee Elliott: You want some more speakers?

[1:26:57] Trustee Elliott: Just let's keep it short and let's go for a two-minute timer so that we can get everyone through everyone.

[1:27:02] Trustee Elliott: How many

[1:27:02] Voice 30: more people wish to address this today?

[1:27:06] Voice 30: First-time speakers, not second. I know there's

[1:27:09] Voice 16: a one, two, three, four.

[1:27:11] Voice 30: Am I seeing at this time? No, I'm sorry. Not at this time. I'm still on first-time speakers.

[1:27:18] Voice 30: I have first-time speakers, please, sir, sit down, and we will continue with first-time speakers.

[1:27:26] Voice 30: I see this woman here on the end. I'll go to her and then you.

[1:27:30] Voice 30: Okay. Yes, please.

[1:27:32] Voice 31: All right. So first of all, thank you so much for the way you introduced this meeting.

[1:27:38] Voice 31: I think one of the things that I feel as a human being that I have the respect and natural love for the land that I live on, and that I am traditional.

[1:27:55] Voice 31: It's life. Our roots are life.

[1:27:58] Voice 31: When we attune to the roots of our life, we're taking care of our land, we're not harming others, we're looking after the animals.

[1:28:17] Voice 31: I think that part of what's happening is our lives seem to have so many regulations and so much mistrust for our human nature, which is to love and to be dedicated and devoted.

[1:28:35] Voice 31: And look at our skies when you're talking about climate change, and we watch day after day, plane after plane, spewing crap into our atmosphere, falling on our soil.

[1:28:52] Voice 31: What are we going to do about that?

[1:28:54] Voice 31: look up and see what they're doing and maybe if we raise our collective will to clean up our sky

[1:29:06] Voice 31: because of this blanket that's been covering us day after day i've watched it playing after

[1:29:16] Voice 30: thank you very much and you're next and then in the back my

[1:29:22] Voice 24: name's jenny go back i just want to

[1:29:24] Voice 24: inject a little historical perspective into this discussion. Settlers have been here roughly 150

[1:29:34] Voice 24: years and in that time, within the 200 meter zone, we have built shipyards, we have mined,

[1:29:44] Voice 24: not mined, quarried stone for building stone, we have quarried stone for millstones,

[1:29:52] Voice 24: zones, we have built ferry terminals, we have built roads, we have done

[1:30:00] Voice 24: We have dug ditches, we have put in culverts, we have dug septic tanks and before that just

[1:30:07] Voice 24: outhouses and we have built homes for sure but the range of stuff we've done that truly

[1:30:16] Voice 24: does despoil the land, just bear that in mind because if you think we're going to be all

[1:30:22] Voice 24: love and joy when we're unfettered, history tells us otherwise and it wasn't until things

[1:30:28] Voice 24: like the Finest Trust came in, that people start to pay attention, as the First Nations

[1:30:33] Voice 24: always have, to maintaining the land beautifully. We have collectively disboiled the land and

[1:30:41] Voice 24: profited from it. So we need to carry that in mind as we go forward. But our record is

[1:30:47] Voice 24: not great for the first time in 50 years.

[1:30:52] Voice 24: I'm

[1:30:52] Voice 30: going to the back of the room, and I think we're...

[1:30:55] Voice 30: My

[1:30:56] Voice 23: name is Bob Henry, and thank you, Jenny, for that.

[1:31:00] Voice 23: We know you live on the seashore.

[1:31:03] Voice 23: I live in that 200-meter zone we've been talking about.

[1:31:06] Voice 23: I'm going to put my neck in the deep and say,

[1:31:08] Voice 23: I want you to support going forward with exploring

[1:31:11] Voice 23: what we're trying to do as explorers to protect the island

[1:31:16] for the natural beauty that's here.

[1:31:19] That's what

[1:31:19] Voice 23: the purpose of the Island's Trust is about.

[1:31:22] Voice 23: If you read the mandate, it's not a surprise

[1:31:24] Voice 23: that they would bring up our ideas and say,

[1:31:26] Voice 23: hey, how can we best protect this?

[1:31:28] Voice 23: Doesn't mean it's being forced down our throats.

[1:31:30] Voice 23: It means it's open for discussion.

[1:31:31] Voice 23: And I really appreciate what you're saying about that.

[1:31:34] Voice 23: I also, as I said, I live in that kind of new zone.

[1:31:41] Voice 23: I also want to thank Geraldine for her opening words.

[1:31:46] Voice 23: And I'm highly supportive of what's going on

[1:31:49] Voice 23: within the trust policy statement.

[1:31:50] Voice 23: I think that relates to this, in that the words that are used continuously through there

[1:31:58] Voice 23: are cooperation and collaboration, and that's what we need, not just for the First Nations,

[1:32:04] Voice 23: but certainly within the community, is what I'm hearing, so I really appreciate that.

[1:32:09] Voice 23: I also have a great deal of faith in the trust process.

[1:32:13] Voice 23: I think it's a good process if it gets looked at carefully and people zero in on that.

[1:32:20] Voice 23: I think we'll come up with some good answers for what we're trying to do.

[1:32:24] Voice 3: Thank you. There were some other questions. Yes, go ahead.

[1:32:28] Voice 19: My family's been on the island for almost seven years. We are in the setback system.

[1:32:35] Voice 19: And I'm wondering, is there going to be a clear path to the information regarding this

[1:32:41] Voice 19: this year forward. I realize it's not a bylaw, nothing's been presented, but there is maps,

[1:32:49] Voice 19: there's ongoing information. Is that going to be accessible on your website?

[1:32:56] Voice 30: Your question, we're going to let them talk about it when we come to that OCP piece,

[1:33:01] Voice 30: because that's a good question and gets to the heart of the matter there.

[1:33:05] Voice 30: Do we have your name, sir? Could we have your

[1:33:07] Voice 30: name? Dave?

[1:33:08] Voice 30: there was one other hand somewhere over here i

[1:33:12] Voice 18: was thinking about it i think it was you

[1:33:13] Voice 18: i think the general read of at least half the room is that government has a

[1:33:22] Voice 18: policy it starts discussion and ends up a rule almost all even when the public say no

[1:33:30] Voice 18: they move forward with it so i think that's the biggest thing we do have rules on setbacks and

[1:33:35] Voice 18: And this rule of adding an additional accommodation, evaluating these properties seems a very odd answer to the 200-meter setback.

[1:33:49] Voice 18: Again, there's rules already.

[1:33:50] Voice 18: If you want to add a suite or build an apartment on your waterfront property, you have to go to the RDC and get it approved, which you won't.

[1:33:59] Voice 18: So this whole thing seems odd.

[1:34:04] Voice 18: All right. Can we

[1:34:05] Trustee Elliott: have your name, sir? Everybody needs to state their names, right?

[1:34:08] Voice 18: How

[1:34:09] Trustee Elliott: many

[1:34:13] Voice 30: more people are wishing to speak here? So we'd like to wrap up. First-time speakers,

[1:34:20] Voice 30: first-time speakers. Yep. Yep. Go ahead.

[1:34:23] Voice 19: I've spoken many times before, but

[1:34:28] Voice 19: First of all, I want to say to First Nations members that I believe that we're all brothers and sisters.

[1:34:39] I believe we're all connected.

[1:34:41] I believe we should all work together to resolve whatever

[1:34:44] Voice 19: issues arise.

[1:34:46] Voice 19: We've been in that process for almost 25 years.

[1:34:49] Voice 19: I have a meeting with Sinaibo tomorrow.

[1:34:52] Voice 19: I continue to hold the view of optimism that a community member or owner communicating with the First Nation directly without government interference is a much better way to proceed.

[1:35:12] Voice 19: I think the government gets in the way of communication between brothers and sisters.

[1:35:19] Voice 19: But I think this process is causing huge division, huge uncertainty, and I think in an environment

[1:35:26] Voice 19: where the government of Canada and the province of British Columbia are considering amending

[1:35:33] Voice 19: or revising or repealing DRIPA, I think there's a case in New Brunswick on title that is the

[1:35:41] Voice 19: opposite of the ecology decision, which means the supremacy of Aboriginal or First Nation

[1:35:49] Voice 19: entitlement is even more up in the air. I support reconciliation. I just am uncertain what it

[1:35:57] Voice 19: means anymore. And I think that the governments I've mentioned are responsible for this division.

[1:36:05] Voice 19: And I think the trust has contributed to it by not having full open community meetings where

[1:36:11] Voice 19: actually people speak openly and freely without too many time limits and those kind of things.

[1:36:18] Voice 19: So I think the protest is really hurting the community, and I suspect, and I'm hopeful when I meet with Sunaimo tomorrow, that what I'm saying now will be true.

[1:36:31] Voice 19: I do appreciate what Geraldine says.

[1:36:33] Voice 19: If we can think and speak from our hearts, there's a hope for common solutions for everybody.

[1:36:42] Voice 19: I'm not sure we're on different pages about any of this stuff.

[1:36:45] Voice 19: I think the way it's discussed and what it's being imposed on us and there's an artificial buffer

[1:36:51] Voice 19: line and I'm going to say I'm very critical of the trust to continue to call this a 200 meter

[1:37:02] Voice 19: shoreline buffer to me is deceitful it's a 200 meter shoreline buffer that I think

[1:37:10] Voice 19: has lots of issues about it but it's an approximately 700 acres additional cultural

[1:37:17] Voice 19: heritage protection zone, which I believe represents one of the village sites in

[1:37:26] Voice 19: Sunaimo district. That raises lots of questions that if they're open in

[1:37:32] Voice 19: dialogues and we have conversation, I don't think there is an issue. But

[1:37:38] Voice 19: not knowing what it means, not knowing what it means to private property, is Sunaimo

[1:37:43] Voice 19: we're going to claim private property let's

[1:37:46] Voice 30: again let's keep focused on the our on the local trust

[1:37:51] Voice 30: i i'd like your um i'd like it to be questions we can't answer yeah

[1:38:00] Voice 30: it's let's stay focused on what the the local trust committee not on uh supposing what the

[1:38:06] Voice 30: first nation may or may not do let's

[1:38:09] Voice 19: stay focused here i'm saying i think the trust committee has

[1:38:13] Voice 19: has created a process that has caused nothing but division that's going to get more serious

[1:38:17] Voice 19: because of the misinformation that's been presented. And I've heard some of the comments

[1:38:23] Voice 19: going to refrain from saying, I agree with Geraldine, our voices need to be, need to care

[1:38:31] Voice 19: about what we say and how we say it. We're going to refrain from saying any more about this until

[1:38:37] Voice 19: there's other opportunities. But there's things being said out there that I totally disagree with

[1:38:42] Voice 19: I think some of the tools you're talking about can be applied in a negative way.

[1:38:48] Voice 19: That causes more division. So I think until this process gets out of the trust hands and into the

[1:38:55] Voice 19: hands of SNAIMO and the owners of the agricultural, we're going to have more division. So I'm so

[1:39:01] Voice 19: happy you came here today and my brother. I'm hoping for a positive me with SNAIMO tomorrow

[1:39:08] Voice 19: tomorrow is I'm an advocate for finding solutions and I think government just causes this kind of

[1:39:14] Voice 19: problem thank

[1:39:15] Voice 30: you um 10 seconds did you speak before okay who made the match so that's a

[1:39:25] Voice 30: question we'll deal with and we asked that to do the OCP section here coming up at item 10 which

[1:39:31] Voice 30: will be before item nine right any other speakers today I really want to appreciate I do understand

[1:39:39] Voice 30: and that how much you care you're here we have learned um we know we need to be better at

[1:39:47] Voice 30: communicating um and so thank you uh if you're patient we're going to be having uh the oc

[1:39:54] Voice 30: i'm sorry i'll get the agenda before me here um i'm not having any second speakers at this time

[1:40:00] Voice 30: time what

[1:40:00] Voice 19: i just said this thing is very okay in the ocb policy state of america okay full quarter

[1:40:09] Voice 19: but it says something to the effect that the assumption regarding p title ownership are no

[1:40:15] Voice 19: longer acceptable okay let's just see sorry i just want to put out to the council and everyone here

[1:40:27] Voice 19: i don't even like to know what that means and because i'm concerned

[1:40:31] Voice 19: there's some underlying element that is trying to attack pieces

[1:40:37] Voice 30: before you heard that and staff will take that into consideration on their presentation so

[1:40:43] Voice 30: okay trustees it's uh just after noon um i really want to thank again all of your comments are

[1:40:51] Voice 30: important we've heard you um trustees do uh it is noon should we just carry on with the agenda

[1:40:58] Voice 30: for now and so people are here to hear the conversation so okay so let's let's get going

[1:41:06] Voice 30: then so i'm going to keep on moving here sorry while i open up my make sure my computer is

[1:41:12] Voice 30: performing we're going to move on to the minutes uh from our november 17th 2025 meeting um that's

[1:41:20] Voice 30: on page four of the agenda package um oh no

[1:41:27] Trustee Elliott: weren't unless that's what you're

[1:41:30] Voice 8: going to attend

[1:41:39] Voice 30: so we have the minutes before us for the november 17 2025 meeting on page four of the agenda package

[1:41:44] Voice 30: Um, are there any additions or changes to those minutes?

[1:41:54] Voice 8: So

[1:41:55] Trustee Elliott: if you want to hear discussion on the OCP and the

[1:41:58] Trustee Elliott: shoreline buffer zone that is coming up in about three

[1:42:01] Trustee Elliott: minutes, if you could stick around.

[1:42:04] Voice 4: And there are more

[1:42:05] Voice 4: chairs.

[1:42:06] Trustee Elliott: More chairs now.

[1:42:20] Voice 30: So, November 17th meeting, page 4 of the agenda package.

[1:42:27] Voice 30: Did

[1:42:28] Trustee Elliott: you have any additions or changes to the November 17th?

[1:42:31] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[1:42:32] Trustee Elliott: 17?

[1:42:33] Trustee Elliott: No.

[1:42:33] Trustee Elliott: 22.

[1:42:34] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:42:34] Voice 30: All right.

[1:42:35] Voice 30: So, we'll approve the November 17th through general consent.

[1:42:38] Voice 30: We have the local trust committee minutes from November 20th on page 6 of the agenda

[1:42:44] Voice 30: package.

[1:42:45] Voice 30: is there any additions or corrections

[1:42:46] Trustee Elliott: to those um just a very one word is missing on uh page eight

[1:42:53] Trustee Elliott: three of the minutes um it's the second paragraph a trustee noted the trust policy statement

[1:42:59] Trustee Elliott: indicates that lock coverage limits must be established but does specify a percentage

[1:43:04] Trustee Elliott: so typing

[1:43:12] Voice 30: away there are there any other corrections to the

[1:43:15] Voice 30: the November 20 minutes if we approve those

[1:43:20] Voice 30: as amended through general consent.

[1:43:21] Voice 30: Yep.

[1:43:22] Voice 30: We have before us the public hearing record

[1:43:25] Voice 30: of November 20th for information that's on page 20.

[1:43:28] Voice 30: We also have the advisory planning commission minutes

[1:43:31] Voice 30: from November 9th for information.

[1:43:34] Voice 30: And we have the resolutions without meetings report

[1:43:38] Voice 30: for information as well on page 27.

[1:43:41] Voice 30: We have our follow-up action list at section 7.1

[1:43:44] Voice 30: in the agenda which begins on page 28 of the agenda package uh first i'll look to uh staff

[1:43:51] Voice 30: are there any um items you wish to bring to our attention no select the trustees are there any

[1:44:00] Voice 30: questions on the follow-up action list yeah yeah go

[1:44:02] Trustee Elliott: ahead first trustee page

[1:44:04] Trustee Elliott: two of the

[1:44:07] Trustee Elliott: follow-up

[1:44:08] Voice 4: action report page 29 of the agenda um number two under activity planner bow can you tell

[1:44:17] Voice 4: us about the seeking information from department of fisheries and oceans about the shellfish survey

[1:44:25] Voice 4: results and the question that came to us a few months ago possible over harvesting that we gave

[1:44:32] Voice 4: Give us an update on that.

[1:44:34] Trustee Elliott: There's 50%.

[1:44:35] Trustee Elliott: Through the chair, right?

[1:44:38] Voice 26: 50% as we have reached out to the marine division.

[1:44:44] Voice 26: I'm still following up with the fisheries and oceans,

[1:44:47] Voice 26: but they did indicate that they did not do a survey this summer.

[1:44:54] Voice 26: But I'm going to follow up and see if there was some from previous years

[1:44:57] Voice 26: or whatever they might have.

[1:44:59] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:44:59] Voice 4: I thank you for that, because it was when someone came to us, they were certain that there had been a survey done.

[1:45:05] Voice 4: So, yeah, thank you.

[1:45:06] Voice 4: That's really helpful.

[1:45:08] Voice 4: And then I had one other quick question.

[1:45:14] Voice 4: Actually, no, I'm not going to ask this question.

[1:45:17] Voice 4: It relates to the minutes, and this answered my question.

[1:45:21] Voice 4: So I'm good.

[1:45:22] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:45:23] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Elliott?

[1:45:24] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:45:24] Trustee Elliott: The next page, 30, item 2.

[1:45:30] Trustee Elliott: it's the invitation to regional district of Nanaimo staff to engage in

[1:45:35] Trustee Elliott: discussions about policy options and approach specific to Gabriel Island I

[1:45:39] Trustee Elliott: was wondering if we could add that to this agenda for the upcoming protocol

[1:45:45] Trustee Elliott: meeting and start work on scheduling that and I think that would be as well

[1:45:51] Trustee Elliott: as the other topics such as use of temporary use permits could also be

[1:45:57] Trustee Elliott: added. Because in conversation with the director, staff have some challenges working through

[1:46:08] Trustee Elliott: RDN's enforcement if the buildings aren't compliant with zoning. And so we've indicated

[1:46:17] Trustee Elliott: that we might want to explore options to use, could we use temporary use permits as a bridge

[1:46:26] Trustee Elliott: bridge to as the proponents are looking to apply for a rezoning for some kind of eco

[1:46:32] Trustee Elliott: village designation. So there's just a lot of different pieces of process and I think

[1:46:36] Trustee Elliott: we'd benefit from just a discussion on that and maybe in or out of camera.

[1:46:50] Voice 26: We'll just on the question of the TUPs, I can answer for you right now, but currently

[1:46:56] Voice 26: currently under the Gabriel OCP does not allow TP for dwellings. It's only for specific, there's a list of different uses that can be applied for, but it doesn't include dwellings. So under the current OCP, that's not a possibility.

[1:47:09] Voice 26: Yeah.

[1:47:11] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:47:13] Trustee Elliott: Go ahead.

[1:47:14] Trustee Elliott: And through the Chair, the LTC has a couple options if you'd like to add a discussion

[1:47:21] Trustee Elliott: topic to your future protocol meeting with the Regional District of Nanaimo, also do

[1:47:27] Trustee Elliott: that.

[1:47:28] Trustee Elliott: You can indicate that to staff or you can add that to the discussion.

[1:47:33] Trustee Elliott: That's what I'm indicating today.

[1:47:35] Trustee Elliott: Do we need a resolution or does that just be noted?

[1:47:38] Trustee Elliott: resolution is helpful clear what years well I think we haven't scheduled that

[1:47:43] Trustee Elliott: meeting so could we request staff to explore dates for RDN LTC protocol

[1:47:53] Trustee Elliott: meeting and add the item of a policy options and an approach on housing

[1:48:03] Trustee Elliott: specific to gabriela island as an item of discussion all right

[1:48:12] Voice 30: i hear lisa typing away

[1:48:14] Voice 30: so i'll give her a moment and she'll give me that back uh

[1:48:19] Voice 11: the gabriela island local trust

[1:48:21] Voice 11: committee requests staff to explore dates for original district and local trust committee

[1:48:25] Voice 11: protocol meeting and add item of item of policy options and approach on housing specific to

[1:48:34] Voice 11: Gabriel to highlight as an item of discussion.

[1:48:37] Voice 30: Trustee Elliott, is that your motion that you're making? Second. Seconded by Trustee Yates. Is there any discussion? All the vote then. All those in favor? That carries. Any other questions on the follow-up action list?

[1:48:50] Voice 30: um

[1:48:58] Trustee Elliott: so on the following page uh item five the ocp review project just wondered if staff if this

[1:49:07] Trustee Elliott: option to explore with rdn staff the use of tps for non-conforming dwellings if we can't do that

[1:49:15] Trustee Elliott: could we inform the rdn staff because that's an outstanding item

[1:49:21] Voice 26: my response earlier about not

[1:49:24] Voice 26: being able to have the current ocp yeah if it's included in those if you project it's something

[1:49:29] Voice 26: that should be explored yeah

[1:49:31] Trustee Elliott: so could that be added as an item on our protocol meeting

[1:49:36] Trustee Elliott: of the future ocp and the potential for tps for non-conforming dwellings that have applied for

[1:49:42] Trustee Elliott: a building permit yes thank you another resolution though let's just let's just move that fuel to the

[1:49:51] Trustee Elliott: the item to the to the upcoming yeah I can do that

[1:49:57] Voice 3: yeah thanks so we don't need a resolution

[1:50:03] Voice 3: I've made a note of it

[1:50:04] Trustee Elliott: okay thank you all right okay well

[1:50:08] Trustee Elliott: I just want to clarify that that the

[1:50:11] Trustee Elliott: last part of that sentence says non-conforming building dwellings that have applied for a

[1:50:17] Trustee Elliott: building permit

[1:50:18] Voice 20: and

[1:50:19] Trustee Elliott: that's exactly the challenge that the directors pointed out that they can't

[1:50:23] Trustee Elliott: move forward unless there's some indication that the zoning is compliant and if it's not compliant

[1:50:30] Trustee Elliott: with zoning then what's the tool so we're just in a waiting period of you can't start the building

[1:50:37] Trustee Elliott: permit process without islands trusts saying we can amend the zoning for that or there's an intent

[1:50:45] Trustee Elliott: intent to amend zoning right that's it's a protocol meeting I think okay any other action

[1:50:55] Voice 30: on the follow-up action list can

[1:50:56] Voice 8: I ask you a question we're

[1:50:58] Voice 30: at this point I'm sorry this is

[1:51:00] Voice 30: this is our our conversations at this time so you're having both hold yes you were witnessing

[1:51:06] Voice 30: our conversation that's what public process is about okay are there any so if there's no further

[1:51:12] Voice 30: questions on the follow-up action list we do have our delegation and I know the

[1:51:17] Voice 30: delegation delegate is here so that I'd like to proceed with the delegation I

[1:51:23] Voice 30: think we have a Gabriel Island Memorial Society regarding inclusion of

[1:51:27] Voice 30: provisions for green burial cemetery and

[1:51:30] Voice 4: that is you we are on the agenda on a

[1:51:33] Voice 4: very crazy day and unfortunately my partner Megan Adams was a much better

[1:51:37] Voice 4: public

[1:51:38] Voice 8: speaker than I am, I have to leave. So, I'm here. If you

[1:51:42] Voice 30: could come up closer to the front,

[1:51:45] Voice 30: then you're at least picked up by the microphone better. Please sit down. Make yourself comfortable

[1:51:50] Voice 21: and

[1:51:51] Voice 30: anywhere you can sit. There you go. Is that yours?

[1:51:56] Trustee Elliott: That works perfectly. Okay.

[1:51:58] Trustee Elliott: So, introduce yourself and the floor is yours. Thank

[1:52:01] Voice 5: you. My name is Christina Berg and I am

[1:52:03] Voice 5: here with the Gabriela Island Memorial Society. We are here, we want to thank the trustees for

[1:52:10] Voice 5: making time for us today and we recently had meetings with all of our elected representatives

[1:52:15] Voice 5: and so this is sort of a follow-up to that and we did provide a letter which I think might be in the

[1:52:21] Voice 5: in the agenda package around requesting the provisions for Green Burial Cemetery to be

[1:52:27] Voice 5: included in the next OCP. So a little bit about who we are. We are a community-based

[1:52:34] Voice 5: non-profit and a charitable organization. We are dedicated to establishing and operating

[1:52:39] Voice 5: a natural burial site on Gabriola Island and the cemetery would serve residents and former residents

[1:52:46] Voice 5: of Gabriola, Mudge and DeCourcy Islands and their families and members of the Sonoma First

[1:52:51] Voice 5: Nation if they choose. GIMS also works to advance community education around green burial and we

[1:52:57] Voice 5: support holistic end-of-life planning. Currently, Gabriela's existing cemetery, which was established

[1:53:04] Voice 5: in 1882, has some serious limitations. Bank erosion and grave displacement certainly is one.

[1:53:11] Voice 5: The other is that they have very limited capacity remaining for full-body burials. We know that

[1:53:19] Voice 5: Gabriela has an aging population, and we also know that it isn't only our older members of the

[1:53:25] Voice 5: the community that may require burial options. We see, we hear from the community that there is

[1:53:31] Voice 5: growing interest in burial practices here that are environmentally responsible, culturally

[1:53:37] Voice 5: inclusive, and aligned with long-term land stewardship. Green burial is a low-impact land

[1:53:44] Voice 5: use that aligns well with the Island Trust mandate to preserve and protect the unique

[1:53:50] Voice 5: environment of the trust area. Values central to green burial cemeteries include environmental

[1:53:56] Voice 5: protection and restoration, conservation, and long-term land stewardship. We have been working

[1:54:04] Voice 5: for several years to secure land for a green cemetery. We've started important work on community

[1:54:09] Voice 5: engagement and First Nations consultation, and we plan for this to intensify once suitable land

[1:54:15] Voice 5: is identified. While land has not yet been acquired it is clear that Gabriela

[1:54:21] Voice 5: will need a new cemetery very soon. We continue to explore public and private

[1:54:26] Voice 5: land options and having foundational provisions for a green

[1:54:32] Voice 5: cemetery in the OCP will help us move forward more responsibly with

[1:54:37] Voice 5: opportunities as they arise. In the current OCP in section 4, institutional

[1:54:43] Voice 5: parks and outdoor recreational uses, the current cemetery is listed as one of the community

[1:54:49] Voice 5: facilities under institutional uses. At present, the language appears tied specifically to the

[1:54:56] Voice 5: existing cemetery. We are asking that the new OCP explicitly envision a future green burial cemetery

[1:55:04] Voice 5: in addition to the current cemetery. This may require only minor wording adjustments,

[1:55:09] Voice 5: investments, but that clarity would be helpful when land is acquired and rezoning is required.

[1:55:19] Voice 5: Cemeteries on neighboring islands, including the Denman Island Natural Cemetery, are also

[1:55:24] Voice 5: zoned institutional.

[1:55:26] Voice 5: Recognizing a future cemetery with an institutional zoning would be consistent with regional practice.

[1:55:33] Voice 5: That's pretty much it.

[1:55:35] Voice 5: We're here to address end-of-life infrastructure proactively rather than reactively.

[1:55:40] Voice 5: We want to support environmental sustainability and community resilience and ensure that people with deep ties to Gabriela and the area can remain connected to this island and this community at end-of-life.

[1:55:53] Voice 5: We respectfully urge the Islands Trust to include policies or land-use provisions that enable the future development of a green burial cemetery on Gabriela Island.

[1:56:06] Voice 30: you did well thank you very much i'll look to the trustees if there's any questions of the W

[1:56:10] Voice 30: if there's any questions um

[1:56:12] Trustee Elliott: how large of an area have you or do you anticipate would be needed

[1:56:18] Trustee Elliott: um what are the special site considerations um such as terrain is it rocky forested woody

[1:56:26] Trustee Elliott: and with green burial um are there implications for um the decay of the bodies um you know

[1:56:38] Trustee Elliott: impacting um water courses or anything is there any yeah yeah

[1:56:44] Trustee Elliott: do you know anything about that i

[1:56:45] Voice 5: do a little bit um so back to the first question we're looking for um a property that's about three

[1:56:51] Voice 5: is ideal certainly the current cemetery is much smaller than that but it was it was created before

[1:56:58] Voice 5: you know we're in the situation that we are now so it doesn't really meet the legal parameters

[1:57:02] Voice 5: there's a lot of legislation in the province around cemeteries and how they're how they're

[1:57:10] Voice 5: legislated so we are knowledgeable about that in terms of the soil yeah we have a geotechnical

[1:57:19] Voice 5: any any property that would be under consideration would go through a thorough geotechnical survey

[1:57:24] Voice 5: to make sure that it's suitable we wouldn't put anything anywhere that wasn't absolutely safe

[1:57:29] Voice 9: uh

[1:57:30] Voice 5: the setback legally right now is 120 meters from any well um but yeah we've worked with uh

[1:57:37] Voice 5: steve usher who's a geotechnical geographer and he's he's kind of looked at a few pieces of

[1:57:43] Voice 5: property with us before um and it's going to do that but we do have some funds set aside to do

[1:57:48] Voice 5: a more thorough uh investigation once an actual property is um identified and

[1:57:54] Trustee Elliott: do you know what

[1:57:55] Trustee Elliott: kind of zoning like description of the zoning like cemetery zoning what would it be called

[1:58:01] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah okay got it

[1:58:03] Voice 5: so under section four i think there's like parks and open areas and

[1:58:06] Voice 5: institutional and it lists all the community facilities it's just that the current zoning

[1:58:10] Voice 5: only only refers to the cemetery that actually exists so we're gonna need it we're gonna need

[1:58:16] Voice 5: new one okay

[1:58:18] Voice 4: thank you very much for that christina um i have visited the one on denman

[1:58:24] Voice 4: and i visited the one on salt spring and um they're very beautiful they're definitely

[1:58:29] Voice 4: an amenity for those communities and if we can do something similar on gabriola i would be really

[1:58:35] Voice 4: grateful so i'm sure we'll i'm sure planner chadwick has made a note that i just wrote that

[1:58:42] Voice 4: deck and we do have something in the draft about cemeteries but not following the letter

[1:58:47] Voice 4: yeah yeah

[1:58:49] Voice 10: and we have been having some discussion about that yeah

[1:58:52] Voice 4: and of course we know what the zoning

[1:58:54] Voice 4: is on denman and we need the zoning is on salt springs yeah great thank

[1:58:58] Voice 5: you so much

[1:58:59] Voice 30: thank you for coming today thanks

[1:59:01] Trustee Elliott: for your presentation my

[1:59:03] Voice 30: trustees at 12 30 are brave

[1:59:05] Voice 30: we want to continue on and uh we would have a conversation or the verbal report we're receiving

[1:59:10] Voice 30: on the major project gave a little comprehensive official community plan and land use by-law and

[1:59:15] Voice 30: i would assume we will take a break after that before we start applications

[1:59:18] Voice 9: all

[1:59:19] Voice 30: right then so

[1:59:20] Voice 30: the floor is over to you planner

[1:59:22] Voice 10: chadwick all right well i really do appreciate everything

[1:59:26] Voice 10: that was um shared in this room and i'm really glad to have been here for it i've been here over

[1:59:31] Voice 10: the past couple of days because i knew that there was um important for me to really understand um so

[1:59:37] Voice 10: So I spent time with trustees

[1:59:38] Voice 10: and talking to the issues on the island and such,

[1:59:41] Voice 10: so I have a really good sense of things

[1:59:42] Voice 10: and this really helped.

[1:59:44] Voice 10: And one of the first things I wanted to say

[1:59:47] Voice 10: is sorry for scaring you.

[1:59:49] Voice 10: As Trustee Patrick identified,

[1:59:53] Voice 10: we've learned a lot from that.

[1:59:55] Voice 10: I have to say individually, for myself,

[1:59:57] Voice 10: I've learned an incredible amount around.

[2:00:00] Voice 10: putting information out on maps before having the information actually identified there and

[2:00:04] Voice 10: accessible for you so thank you for teaching that lesson to me um and moving forward um i like i

[2:00:12] Voice 10: said uh myself and steven were working very closely with your trustees to kind of understand

[2:00:17] Voice 10: um having forward from this and i i gained a lot of perspective from everybody who shared

[2:00:23] Voice 10: their perspective today so thank you for that um i don't know that it's necessarily a talk

[2:00:29] Voice 10: too much more about that that issue in particular except I did I did want to

[2:00:34] Voice 10: highlight again that perspective is only being used where we are thinking about

[2:00:40] Voice 10: permitting anything additional to what it currently exists so in terms of and

[2:00:47] Voice 10: in terms of the OCP process I think the other important thing to focus on is is

[2:00:54] Voice 10: the public process that's related to actually moving this OCP into uh decisions and that's what

[2:01:02] Voice 10: we what I was going to also um uh speak to trustees about around um uh that what that timing looks

[2:01:11] Voice 10: like so um we have done a fair amount of public process around the OCP uh over the last I mean

[2:01:18] Voice 10: it's been almost two years I think. So we've done very open visioning engagement and we've

[2:01:24] Voice 10: been very focused like very focused on policy discussions with focus groups with experts in

[2:01:31] Voice 10: the community that have come to that and people who have had interest in different areas. So

[2:01:38] Voice 10: we've done a lot of that and that's all available on our website all of that process that we've

[2:01:42] Voice 10: we've done we can access the summaries of that. So now we are, we're taking, staff is taking all

[2:01:53] Voice 10: of that information that we've received and trying to put it into a coherent plan essentially.

[2:02:01] Voice 10: Working, looking with the existing as well, taking you know what matches what we've heard

[2:02:10] Voice 10: from the community

[2:02:11] Voice 10: that may already be there

[2:02:13] Voice 10: and then just adding

[2:02:15] Voice 10: and changing as to reflect

[2:02:17] Voice 10: the interest that we've received

[2:02:19] Voice 10: so in terms

[2:02:22] Voice 10: of process we are now in

[2:02:23] Voice 10: the phase of

[2:02:25] Voice 10: creating a draft

[2:02:27] Voice 10: we basically have

[2:02:29] Voice 10: a draft where we sort of like

[2:02:31] Voice 10: pieces together

[2:02:32] Voice 10: and we need to

[2:02:35] Voice 10: work on that

[2:02:36] Voice 10: replying to it. I'm again talking individually with the trustees to see if we're on the right

[2:02:42] Voice 10: track before we actually put something out for public review. So in terms of process,

[2:02:49] Voice 10: what is originally intended in the project charter is to have a period of time where

[2:02:56] Voice 10: a draft goes out to the public before first reading of the by-law. So first reading of

[2:03:02] Voice 10: Viola is really an opportunity to, it's basically a statement of a certain degree of support

[2:03:10] Voice 10: for what is put forward. And from that process there's still, there's more opportunity for

[2:03:19] Voice 10: public engagement, there's more opportunity for, and there is required, there's requirements

[2:03:25] Voice 10: on referring bylaws to First Nations to different jurisdictions that have any interest, there's

[2:03:32] Voice 10: there's a number obviously provincial, regional. We have been working, staff have been working with

[2:03:39] Voice 10: SINEMUC staff and our meetings have been very focused on process, understanding each other's

[2:03:47] Voice 10: process and we've used those meetings to talk about policy statement as well as kind of where

[2:03:56] Voice 10: that OCP is at. So that's what that process has been looking like so that when they get the full

[2:04:03] Voice 10: draft to them they understand what it is because I think that's you know that's one of the things

[2:04:07] Voice 10: that and where it's come from they know the process that we've been engaging the community

[2:04:12] Voice 10: in and so forth so they've been kind of brought along the stuff kind of understand that piece.

[2:04:19] Voice 10: So, in terms of the process from this point onward, again, I've been talking to trustees

[2:04:30] Voice 10: about the need for some more engagement.

[2:04:34] Voice 10: I think we need, the staff needs to go back and sort of think about that in terms of what

[2:04:38] Voice 10: we've already laid out in the project charter.

[2:04:40] Voice 10: So in the project charter, we currently have, and I think I had it in December, it felt

[2:04:46] Voice 10: really ambitious to have a draft by February. Now that we're into it, and the other thing that we've

[2:04:53] Voice 10: also recognized is that there are points where the land use by-law will be misaligned

[2:05:03] Voice 10: and inconsistent. And in fact, there's inconsistencies with the existing OCP and the

[2:05:09] Voice 10: land use bylaw. So we think that a sort of a complete package which would include OCD,

[2:05:16] Voice 10: the land use bylaw options that are required to provide the consistency between the two,

[2:05:25] Voice 10: and a development application, a development information,

[2:05:32] Voice 10: Development application information by law, which basically informs the process for when

[2:05:42] Voice 10: decisions are going to be made about changing things.

[2:05:45] Voice 10: So if you want to apply for rezoning or what have you, it gives direction to the trustees,

[2:05:50] Voice 10: to staff, and to the public who's ultimately doing that.

[2:05:54] Voice 10: So we're thinking a full package of information moving forward is probably the more effective

[2:05:58] Voice 10: effective way. And so we would like to have an opportunity to

[2:06:05] Voice 10: come back with another project starter that would integrate

[2:06:07] Voice 10: those pieces with the intention of getting to first reading

[2:06:13] Voice 10: before the end of term. So that's that's what I wanted to

[2:06:18] Voice 10: sort of put out as a request from the trustees request from

[2:06:25] Voice 10: us to come back with a revised project charter that considers

[2:06:28] Voice 10: there's those pieces.

[2:06:30] Voice 9: And also,

[2:06:31] Voice 10: yeah, any questions that you

[2:06:33] Voice 10: might have about that? Yeah.

[2:06:35] Voice 10: I am so

[2:06:36] Voice 4: happy to hear that the BAI Milo is going to be part of

[2:06:39] Voice 4: it. So that was my first request at the very beginning of the

[2:06:43] Voice 4: term. So

[2:06:44] Voice 4: thank you for that. It's really important. I'm

[2:06:46] Voice 4: wondering about the working on the development permit areas and

[2:06:51] Voice 4: gathering

[2:06:52] Voice 8: the groups

[2:06:53] Voice 4: together. Whereabouts are we with that?

[2:06:55] Voice 4: yeah

[2:06:56] Voice 10: so that we we haven't made much headway on that and i know we've had some um public uh

[2:07:01] Voice 10: write us and say where's that at and um we've sort of been head down to kind of get a uh with the

[2:07:07] Voice 10: with the uh the february deadline of uh of having a draft together we've been very

[2:07:12] Voice 10: well i'm kidding myself but steven's been 50 there with me but i've been like very focused so

[2:07:18] Voice 10: apologize for that and community members that are concerned about that it isn't our intention to get

[2:07:23] Voice 10: that information out to the discussion around the API prioritizing.

[2:07:34] Trustee Elliott: So many questions. So the questions about the maps that we released as draft examples of how

[2:07:45] Trustee Elliott: how the research that's being done, for example, the Freshwater Footprint Project.

[2:07:53] Trustee Elliott: So those, we saw some examples of maps at the Reimagining Growth Workshop.

[2:07:59] Trustee Elliott: What can the public look forward to seeing if those maps were draft?

[2:08:05] Trustee Elliott: Are we going to get a better idea of the science and the methodology behind sort of the assessment

[2:08:13] Trustee Elliott: of where appropriate zoning is for any future development.

[2:08:19] Voice 10: Yeah, so I, as you know,

[2:08:22] Voice 10: we've had this

[2:08:22] Voice 10: a freshwater footprint project has been part

[2:08:26] Voice 10: of the OC project and for those that don't know

[2:08:29] Voice 10: what that project is, it's a look at essentially

[2:08:33] Voice 10: how much water is absorbed and held in the island

[2:08:38] Voice 10: and and then the use where and and the implications of of that and and the what the the ultimate data

[2:08:48] Voice 10: uh when you put it all together leads us to understand is where it is more hazardous to put

[2:08:56] Voice 10: more development or more people and where it is hazardous to do so so um i just and it's been a

[2:09:05] Voice 10: bit of a process we've had consultants working on that we've had our um senior i do senior water

[2:09:13] Voice 10: senior water fresh water

[2:09:14] Voice 10: i'm sorry i um working on it and uh and we just we managed to connect

[2:09:22] Voice 10: with him on friday so for the first time we've seen the map we've seen the map for our for the

[2:09:26] Voice 10: first time ourselves because he was able to because he had a meeting with the consultant

[2:09:30] Voice 10: with the finished product uh last week and so um that the report on that information is going to

[2:09:38] Voice 10: be going to you uh we're focusing on on february for that and it does it is very interesting

[2:09:44] Voice 10: because it does reveal um some of these high hazardous areas and the tendency

[2:09:51] Voice 10: that there is a you know the concentration is predominantly around uh the coast

[2:09:59] Voice 10: so that'll be interesting for her to share and that'll be some hard data that that kind of

[2:10:04] Voice 30: maybe i asked the question again i'm sorry we're not i'm going to focus with the trustees at the

[2:10:09] Voice 30: moment questions that they're asking and uh not that your question isn't important i encourage you

[2:10:14] Voice 30: to um focus with the trustees afterwards uh go ahead trustee

[2:10:18] Trustee Elliott: elliott so we heard a report from

[2:10:20] Trustee Elliott: the director about a recent mapping that the rdn has undertaken coast coastal erosion hazard report

[2:10:29] Trustee Elliott: the coastal risk assessment overview report my understanding is that when the rdn does mapping

[2:10:38] Trustee Elliott: they do not develop bylaws for gabriola area b because we develop bylaws so that mapping

[2:10:46] Trustee Elliott: being correct me if I'm wrong is essentially not relevant it's not employed unless we develop

[2:10:54] Trustee Elliott: bylaws such as a development permit area will that be and and she identifies here in her report

[2:11:01] Trustee Elliott: there are areas in area b that are identified with very high coastal vulnerability such as

[2:11:06] Trustee Elliott: brickyard beach the stretch of road through gabriel sands provincial park and an area on

[2:11:10] Trustee Elliott: mud across from the el verano beach access so how can we use that data to inform specific

[2:11:22] Trustee Elliott: development permit areas is that an example of a regulatory tool that would be developed

[2:11:29] Trustee Elliott: as opposed to the shoreline buffer blanket zone that everybody thinks is of treating every area

[2:11:37] Trustee Elliott: at the same like i'm trying to tease out like are we going to be able to use that data and is that

[2:11:43] Trustee Elliott: something that like informs our shoreline buffer zone conversation so so

[2:11:49] Voice 10: i'm i'm going to pass it

[2:11:52] Voice 10: on to steve for details but the one thing that i did want to include that um in the project charter

[2:11:56] Voice 10: we currently have out of scope is is new dpa mapping okay so uh mapping out new dpa areas

[2:12:07] Voice 10: The creation of DPA, you could create a new DPA area if you don't have to do any additional

[2:12:12] Voice 10: mapping.

[2:12:14] Voice 10: But in this case, it might require some additional work, but I think Stephen can speak more directly

[2:12:19] Voice 10: to you about the workshop where that information was shared.

[2:12:22] Voice 10: Yeah,

[2:12:23] Voice 26: well, what I can speak to a bit is that I've seen those reports and I think they are

[2:12:27] Voice 26: published as well.

[2:12:28] Voice 26: So they did generate some maps about the coastal hazard to infrastructure primarily, sort of

[2:12:35] Voice 26: focused on um but it does it does kind of show the entire coastline and area that's where they're

[2:12:42] Voice 26: going to be um and they in the recent workshop are looking at developing um some case studies

[2:12:51] Voice 26: of picking a few areas where there's some hazard and they have yet to determine what those are

[2:12:56] Voice 26: and then looking at how they can create resiliency plans for those areas and so they're looking at

[2:13:02] Voice 26: picking three and uh and i and we'll see what those are and then they all kind of work on those

[2:13:08] Voice 26: to fit um and i think like they would be become sort of case studies for how you could approach

[2:13:14] Voice 26: some of those different areas where there is some hazard um sorry just to

[2:13:18] Trustee Elliott: clarify three but not in

[2:13:20] Trustee Elliott: area b uh

[2:13:21] Voice 26: they didn't say that wouldn't be in area b so we just don't know three in total so

[2:13:25] Voice 26: it may

[2:13:26] Trustee Elliott: not be development oh it's a model development area not

[2:13:31] Voice 26: necessarily a development

[2:13:31] Voice 26: development permit area, they're looking at, what did I say, pathways to create resilience,

[2:13:42] Voice 26: so they would probably be, part of that would be examining what tools could be used, right?

[2:13:47] Voice 26: And the other, and I think as far as development permit area, that is one that probably could

[2:13:56] Voice 26: be used and we could look at um if some of the other electoral areas have developed dpas already

[2:14:05] Voice 26: that's associated with that mapping and and see what they have done and kind of look to see if

[2:14:09] Voice 26: that is transferable in any way to keep your own okay

[2:14:13] Trustee Elliott: thanks monitor and follow me is what i'm

[2:14:16] Trustee Elliott: hearing but what i'm hearing is currently there's no development variant or development permit areas

[2:14:21] Trustee Elliott: is planned because we do not have scoped in new development permit areas mapping mapping whether

[2:14:30] Trustee Elliott: on the shoreline or anywhere else that is not part of the current project okay so just for the

[2:14:36] Trustee Elliott: public's information yeah because there's been letters to the sounder calling the buffer zone

[2:14:40] Trustee Elliott: a development permit area and that is the whole confusion is everyone thinks that there's one

[2:14:46] Trustee Elliott: one regulation that is applying broad scale to and and there's a question asked is it going to

[2:14:52] Trustee Elliott: be looked at site specifically and that is exactly what we would happen if we were developing those

[2:14:59] Trustee Elliott: regulatory tools but we're not there yet thank you we did have

[2:15:06] Trustee Elliott: another question about who created

[2:15:07] Trustee Elliott: the maps from a speaker in the room

[2:15:11] Voice 10: the maps were created like that and we did engage the

[2:15:18] Voice 10: trustee today are you okay with us sharing these maps uh and i guess you know what i don't think

[2:15:23] Voice 10: of as a trustee patrick uh earlier the attempt was to to let you under the hood and look at all

[2:15:31] Voice 10: of the perspectives and information that that you were thinking about looking at you know in

[2:15:38] Voice 10: in the evolution.

[2:15:44] Voice 3: I do have a favorite

[2:15:46] Voice 3: Ask the People board because I

[2:15:47] Voice 3: thought out on false brain.

[2:15:49] Voice 30: Last term, we worked really hard at making

[2:15:52] Voice 30: sure all of our

[2:15:53] Voice 30: staff reports as they come out

[2:15:56] Voice 30: these kind of projects that

[2:15:57] Voice 30: kind of VR here

[2:15:59] Voice 30: timeline at the top and

[2:16:01] Voice 30: sort of dropped off for some reason

[2:16:03] Voice 30: off of our staff reports again.

[2:16:05] Voice 30: I think it would be very helpful to bring that back

[2:16:07] Voice 30: again as we create staff reports

[2:16:09] Voice 30: that we open the staff report with a kind of here's the long-term process and we are here

[2:16:16] Voice 30: just visually really helps and I know it was parallel and showed where we are with First

[2:16:22] Voice 30: Nations engagement in two bars so that we can be transparent and open and people can see kind of

[2:16:28] Voice 30: where we are and know that

[2:16:30] Voice 30: there's a lot of runway out ahead of us on this project and where all the

[2:16:34] Voice 30: opportunities are for public engagement so I really hope we can add that back to the staff

[2:16:39] Voice 30: reports going forward i would echo that request i'd make a motion that it was already made last

[2:16:45] Voice 30: term and put into place and implemented it just the party spoke to the ceo that has to be dusted

[2:16:51] Voice 30: off and brought back all right any other questions or comments so go ahead

[2:16:56] Trustee Elliott: tracy elliott um i have a

[2:16:59] Trustee Elliott: motion that i would like to put on the floor um related to the use of the term shoreline

[2:17:07] Trustee Elliott: um maybe we could if you're ready to entertain that uh well we don't know what you're talking

[2:17:12] Trustee Elliott: about

[2:17:13] Voice 30: please tell us what you what it is

[2:17:14] Trustee Elliott: well so it would be that the ltc would request staff

[2:17:20] Trustee Elliott: to discontinue use of the term shoreline buffer zone for this current stage in drafting policies

[2:17:26] Trustee Elliott: for the updated official community plan instead demonstrate with maps that show areas of

[2:17:32] Trustee Elliott: vulnerability where development is not desired that's a very good motion I would be very happy

[2:17:39] Trustee Elliott: to second Lisa I'll be not to you I changed it a little bit from what was earlier yeah

[2:17:46] Trustee Elliott: I'm sorry so I'll just give a moment here and while you're doing that can I just ask a quick

[2:17:51] Voice 4: question yes I know one of the very first freshwater mapping workshops I went to a few

[2:17:57] Voice 4: years ago at the Haven, the regional district had its initial hazard mapping at that workshop and I

[2:18:06] Voice 4: thought, no, they know a lot about the, they know a lot about Gabriela's shorelines. So I'm hoping

[2:18:13] Voice 4: and assuming

[2:18:14] Voice 9: that

[2:18:15] Voice 4: when we work on any of the shoreline mapping or not mapping or DPAs or not

[2:18:21] Voice 4: dpas that we will absolutely incorporate what the rdn has to offer

[2:18:26] Trustee Elliott: because it's quite detailed too

[2:18:28] Trustee Elliott: oh yeah they've done coastal processes storm surges like and that is i just want to say for

[2:18:33] Trustee Elliott: the public's information that is absolutely our responsibility as a local government

[2:18:37] Trustee Elliott: in the local government act it says you must create bylaws to protect development from hazards

[2:18:45] Trustee Elliott: And so that is one of the things, if you know there's a hazard, either from steep slopes or from coastal surges or erosion or saltwater salinity, you're not going to tell people you can build a house there or you can do development there.

[2:19:02] Trustee Elliott: And so that's all that is, is we would use the science and the information, which the RDN thankfully has mostly already done, but we're not at that stage of developing regulations.

[2:19:13] Trustee Elliott: So I think just while we're at the stage of policy development and due to the confusion that the shoreline buffer zone terminology is creating, we should just discontinue use of the term.

[2:19:25] Trustee Elliott: I do want to note that there is an FAQ on the Islands Trust website.

[2:19:29] Trustee Elliott: It's quite extensive.

[2:19:30] Trustee Elliott: All the information that we have reiterated in various meetings and in sounder articles is there.

[2:19:38] Trustee Elliott: So there is an easy to understand FAQ.

[2:19:41] Trustee Elliott: I get it that the website is not the easiest to navigate and so it is a little bit hidden you have

[2:19:46] Trustee Elliott: to scroll down and there's an accordion of different topics subdivision values based rezoning

[2:19:53] Trustee Elliott: secondary dwelling units and shoreline buffer so there's a big FAQ there but I just think for the

[2:19:58] Trustee Elliott: time being this is not helping the community understand what policy is and regulation is

[2:20:05] Trustee Elliott: is and it has just caused so much confusion so we should discontinue use of the term thank you

[2:20:10] Trustee Elliott: good plan right

[2:20:12] Voice 30: is the motion all transferred so um did you read it out oh sorry

[2:20:18] Voice 30: i can read it

[2:20:19] Voice 30: again good please

[2:20:20] Trustee Elliott: where'd it go um i move that the gabriella local trust committee requests staff

[2:20:29] Trustee Elliott: to discontinue use of the term shoreline buffer zone for this current stage in drafting policies

[2:20:36] Trustee Elliott: policies for the updated official community plan, and instead demonstrate with maps that

[2:20:41] Trustee Elliott: show areas of vulnerability where development is not desired.

[2:20:47] Trustee Elliott: Is

[2:20:48] Voice 30: there a second to that motion?

[2:20:50] Voice 30: Any discussion?

[2:20:53] Voice 30: I just would add, I know in Saltspring we're doing our OCP there as well, and I know

[2:21:00] Voice 30: all the time that we're working on mapping, it's the transparency and the conversations

[2:21:05] Voice 30: behind it information behind the map to help bring the community along any further discussion

[2:21:19] Voice 30: all those in favor well i have

[2:21:21] Voice 30: sorry just a quick

[2:21:22] Trustee Elliott: discussion i do want to recognize that

[2:21:24] Trustee Elliott: staff are experts and they have put a lot of their expertise into thinking through

[2:21:30] Trustee Elliott: How do we do responsible, ecologically, really conserve and protect and preserve the trust area?

[2:21:40] Trustee Elliott: And it was an attempt to have a conversation, and I want to recognize that.

[2:21:45] Trustee Elliott: And it surfaced a lot of the different views and what people need to know and feel safe.

[2:21:51] Trustee Elliott: And so I think I just want to recognize staff are just brilliant.

[2:21:55] Trustee Elliott: brilliant and and we just kind of got ahead of ourselves with terminology that was not

[2:22:00] Trustee Elliott: well received or well understood so let's just get rid of that whole framing and get to what

[2:22:07] Trustee Elliott: is the actual policy and the regulation going to look like that will provide the clarity that I

[2:22:11] Trustee Elliott: think the public needs any further discussion well I'll call them up all those in favor that carries

[2:22:19] Trustee Elliott: is there anything

[2:22:20] Trustee Elliott: else on the OCP line who's by the way do we need to request an amended charter

[2:22:24] Trustee Elliott: Charter or will you bring that back to bring you know, I think so an amended Charter that

[2:22:34] Trustee Elliott: would include scoping and the

[2:22:37] Voice 10: consistency with the land is by law and the development

[2:22:42] Voice 10: of application information yeah

[2:22:45] Trustee Elliott: okay so I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:22:49] Trustee Elliott: request staff to return with a revised project charter for the review of the

[2:22:57] Trustee Elliott: official community plan that scopes in DAI by-law

[2:23:03] Trustee Elliott: consistency

[2:23:05] Voice 10: with the land use by-law

[2:23:06] Voice 10: and consistency with the land use by-law update to ensure consistency

[2:23:12] Voice 10: okay

[2:23:13] Trustee Elliott: and the land use by-law update to ensure consistency with the OCP

[2:23:17] Trustee Elliott: On that

[2:23:18] Voice 8: second, can you give Lisa

[2:23:19] Voice 4: a couple minutes?

[2:23:21] Voice 4: Do you want to back by the next meeting?

[2:23:24] Trustee Elliott: No, because we don't know.

[2:23:25] Trustee Elliott: Because the next meeting is going to be a fresh water presentation, but I think it can be brought up.

[2:23:35] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[2:23:37] Voice 11: When you're ready, Lisa, can you read that back?

[2:23:39] Voice 11: that the Gabriel Island local trust committee requests staff to return with a revised

[2:23:44] Voice 11: project charter for the review of the official training plan that scopes in

[2:23:48] Voice 11: DAI by-law and land use by-law update to ensure consistency with the official community and you

[2:23:56] Voice 10: can add for the if you want to add for the February for the

[2:24:01] Trustee Elliott: February 2026 meeting well

[2:24:04] Voice 4: sure I mean yeah it will

[2:24:05] Voice 4: be it'll come it'll come anyway it's okay to just leave it they say

[2:24:09] Voice 4: it'll be here anyway all right do we need to say something about the else the draft OCP

[2:24:14] Trustee Elliott: that's not the OCP yeah consistency with the draft OCP yeah and then you're done you can

[2:24:22] Trustee Elliott: read it one more

[2:24:23] Voice 30: time so we know that we're what we're voting on

[2:24:27] Voice 11: can you hear what i have a local trust committee request staff to return with a revised project

[2:24:31] Voice 11: charter with review of the official community plan that scopes in dai bylaw and land use bylaw

[2:24:38] Voice 11: update to ensure consistency with the draft official community plan.

[2:24:43] Voice 30: Who's happy with those words? Who's making that motion?

[2:24:46] Voice 30: You are? The motion's made by Trustee Elliott, seconded by Trustee Yates. Any discussion?

[2:24:53] Voice 30: I'll call the vote. All those in favor? That carries.

[2:24:56] Voice 30: Is that it for this meeting on the OCP and land use bylaw?

[2:25:00] Voice 30: I think we've well gone beyond a zero break.

[2:25:04] Voice 30: So how much time will we take off here? 30 minutes?

[2:25:08] Voice 30: I'm happy to ask. Good, sure.

[2:25:09] Voice 30: Sure. So 12, 12, 12, 25, I wish. 125. Thank you, everyone, that has come. You're welcome to stick around and hear more or come back after 25.

[2:25:24] Voice 21: Thank you. I'm so sorry.

[3:02:52] Voice 3: All righty, oops, camera's not driving.

[3:03:10] Voice 3: Oh, this is looking at the,

[3:03:12] Voice 30: camera's not on.

[3:03:15] Voice 30: Just a second here, the camera's not responding for some reason.

[3:03:26] Voice 11: It's video, I'm sorry.

[3:03:31] Voice 21: There we go.

[3:03:35] Voice 21: all

[3:03:40] Voice 8: right

[3:03:41] Trustee Elliott: everyone thank you for a little bit longer at our lunch hour

[3:03:46] Voice 30: than we thought

[3:03:47] Voice 30: we're going to carry on we're now at section nine of the agenda which is the applications and

[3:03:53] Voice 30: referrals 9.1 is um application uh subdivision 2024 uh 0307 you have a request for covenant

[3:04:03] Voice 30: here on page 34 of the agenda package over to uh flannery bro so

[3:04:09] Voice 26: this uh this report introduced

[3:04:12] Voice 26: the request that the ltc become signatories of a covenant for 381 and 391 spruce ave which are

[3:04:20] Voice 26: subject to a boundary adjustment application ministry staff have uh indicated that it's

[3:04:26] Voice 26: preferred administrative transportation staff have indicated it's preferred for the local government

[3:04:31] Voice 26: to become signatory on the covenants as they are the local authority to review land use

[3:04:37] Voice 26: applications and covenants can provide some additional authority to ensure water quality

[3:04:42] Voice 26: is suitable for the land use of the parcel in this case.

[3:04:45] Voice 26: Staff recommend that the LTC do become signatory to the covenant because it will ensure that

[3:04:50] Voice 26: future landowners are aware of the requirement requirements for these parcels.

[3:04:54] Voice 26: The covenant will allow the LTC to ensure the water quality is suitable for the land

[3:04:58] Voice 26: use and will allow the boundary adjustment application to proceed which addresses a land

[3:05:03] Voice 26: use conflict of a structure encroaching on an adjacent plot. Any

[3:05:10] Trustee Elliott: questions for the opponent?

[3:05:14] Trustee Elliott: So on the covenant page 40 section e what does that mean any water supplied to the lands is or

[3:05:22] Trustee Elliott: will be from a well located on the said lands? Does that mean they can't put a rainwater catchment

[3:05:29] Trustee Elliott: cistern in like any water supplied to the lands is from a well because there's no alternative

[3:05:40] Trustee Elliott: they can't have an alternative source of water i

[3:05:43] Voice 26: think i would need to investigate that further

[3:05:45] Voice 26: to get the response if that's if that would prohibit other other um other water supplies

[3:05:54] Voice 26: for being used i

[3:05:55] Voice 30: um i think it's because these are standard covenants that are put in for when a well

[3:06:04] Voice 30: either doesn't quite meet all provincial standards or is that risk of not meeting certainly my

[3:06:10] Voice 26: understanding of the intent of the covenant is really to be there as a as a notice to any future

[3:06:16] Voice 26: any future property owners just probably changes hands that that there is that there was a water

[3:06:22] Voice 26: quality test done and then it

[3:06:24] Voice 26: showed and the water quality test attached i think in this

[3:06:27] Voice 26: case it's magnum east where this is over the recommended um parts per million that's why

[3:06:35] Voice 3: i think it's very specific to all right and

[3:06:37] Voice 16: comment on that

[3:06:41] Voice 16: that's what this company i

[3:06:43] Trustee Elliott: mean just don't believe the landowners are agreeing to this

[3:06:47] Trustee Elliott: I'm assuming it is appropriate. It just seems odd as a restriction. But

[3:06:59] Voice 3: I don't have any further questions.

[3:07:02] Voice 9: Okay, so ready

[3:07:05] Voice 4: to proceed with the resolution?

[3:07:07] Voice 4: Yeah, just a quick question. Does that mean we go into the office and get Nadine to...

[3:07:13] Voice 26: Well, I will follow up with you on what process I need to do so that I can get your signature, but yeah, we can bring it in.

[3:07:22] Trustee Elliott: Staff will find you.

[3:07:24] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, my name is misspelled on page 38, but I'm sure we can fix that.

[3:07:30] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:07:30] Voice 26: didn't know that. To them as well, an applicant or their lawyer just indicated we could just

[3:07:36] Voice 4: spell it correct.

[3:07:38] Voice 26: all right

[3:07:39] Voice 4: happy to make the motion i move that the gabriela island local trust committee

[3:07:47] Voice 4: authorized that trustee susan yates and trustee toby elliott to be signatories on behalf of the

[3:07:52] Voice 4: gabriela island local trust committee for the covenant attached to the staff report dated

[3:07:57] Voice 4: to january 22nd 2026 and associated with file pl sub 2024 0307 second

[3:08:09] Trustee Elliott: second by trustee elliott any

[3:08:11] Trustee Elliott: discussion so none of all the vote all those in favor carries so

[3:08:18] Voice 30: thank you very much the next

[3:08:20] Voice 30: item is 9.2 this is a zoning application for mid-island co-op stock report beginning on page

[3:08:28] Voice 30: page 48 of the agenda

[3:08:30] Trustee Elliott: package and I believe

[3:08:34] Voice 26: the applicant is joining via Zoom for this

[3:08:42] Voice 26: one as well. So this report is pursuant to bylaw amendment application PLRZ 2024-0091

[3:08:51] Voice 26: for 793 Lofton Bar Lane.

[3:08:54] Voice 26: This is the property that's proposing propane storage.

[3:08:59] Voice 26: And so you've seen this last in September 4th, 2025,

[3:09:03] Voice 26: where the LTC gave first and second readings

[3:09:05] Voice 26: to by-laws 321 and 322,

[3:09:08] Voice 26: and referred the by-laws to First Nations,

[3:09:11] Voice 26: local governments and agencies.

[3:09:12] Voice 26: This report summarizes the referral responses

[3:09:14] Voice 26: that have been received

[3:09:16] Voice 26: and provides recommendations for next steps.

[3:09:18] Voice 26: Referral responses were received

[3:09:20] Voice 26: from the name of First Nations, Capuchin Tribes,

[3:09:22] Voice 26: Seabath and Nathan,

[3:09:24] Voice 26: School District 68, Island Health

[3:09:26] Voice 26: and the Gabriel Volunteer Fire Department

[3:09:28] Voice 26: who have all responded with either

[3:09:30] Voice 26: no comment or deferring.

[3:09:32] Voice 26: The Gabriel Advisory Planning Commission

[3:09:34] Voice 26: also responded to the

[3:09:36] Voice 26: referral and provided a number of recommendations

[3:09:39] Voice 26: for the LTC to

[3:09:40] Voice 26: consider, including that the LTC

[3:09:42] Voice 26: consider the impact on the

[3:09:44] Voice 26: neighbourhood and neighbours on future developments

[3:09:46] Voice 26: in the village core

[3:09:47] Voice 26: for and requested additional safety risks be considered.

[3:09:51] Voice 26: They recommended conducting an additional referral

[3:09:55] Voice 26: to the applications that gave role of fire protection

[3:09:59] Voice 26: and improvement district,

[3:10:01] Voice 26: requested that the proponents expert in fire and risk

[3:10:04] Voice 26: attend any community discussions related to the application

[3:10:08] Voice 26: and recommended that the consideration

[3:10:12] Voice 26: of the establishment of light industrial zoning

[3:10:16] Voice 26: be established to accommodate this type of land use.

[3:10:20] Voice 26: The staff, if you have any questions

[3:10:22] Voice 26: about those recommendations

[3:10:23] Voice 26: and how they relate to the staff recommendations,

[3:10:25] Voice 26: you can also discuss that further a little bit.

[3:10:28] Voice 26: I can provide some background,

[3:10:30] Voice 26: but the staff are recommending

[3:10:32] Voice 26: that the LTC schedule a public hearing

[3:10:34] Voice 26: for bylaw number 321 and 322 on February 19th

[3:10:39] Voice 26: during the regular LTC business meeting

[3:10:41] Voice 26: and recommending that community information meeting

[3:10:43] Voice 26: be scheduled in advance of the public hearing and request attendance from the applicant's expert

[3:10:48] Voice 26: prior arrest.

[3:10:50] Voice 30: I see the applicant is with us online. I think that's Bruce Buckingham. Bruce,

[3:10:56] Voice 30: do you have anything you'd like to add?

[3:10:59] Voice 25: Not specifically. Really, I think it's fairly clear

[3:11:02] Voice 25: what we're looking for is to move ahead and be able to provide a service to our members as the

[3:11:07] Voice 25: residents of Gabrielle Island.

[3:11:10] Voice 30: Right, thanks. So we're going to have some discussion here. We may

[3:11:12] Voice 30: have some questions for you so trustees any questions for staff or the applicant go ahead

[3:11:19] Voice 11: trustee elliott we

[3:11:20] Trustee Elliott: didn't refer to neighboring property owners so this was an agency referral

[3:11:27] Trustee Elliott: only uh the recommendation from the apc is that um i'm

[3:11:36] Voice 16: just trying to

[3:11:37] Trustee Elliott: find it that

[3:11:43] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. So how would the neighbouring property owners be able to weigh in on the impact of

[3:11:52] Trustee Elliott: this development potentially through

[3:11:56] Voice 26: the one option would be through the public hearing

[3:11:59] Voice 26: process itself where the notification does go out and it's advertised in the paper as

[3:12:04] Voice 26: well um so that's that's one opportunity for them to weigh in

[3:12:09] Voice 30: the notice goes to

[3:12:11] Voice 30: neighbors who live 100 meters is that okay yeah um and also

[3:12:15] Voice 4: at the community information meeting

[3:12:17] Voice 4: if we could have the notice go out before that yes

[3:12:21] Voice 26: i believe it is the community information meeting

[3:12:25] Voice 26: and of course it's not scheduled yet and so we'll have to find that a date that works but

[3:12:30] Voice 26: but assuming it is relatively close to the LTC meeting,

[3:12:35] Voice 26: which I think is what we would target,

[3:12:38] Voice 26: then that public hearing notice would have gone out.

[3:12:40] Voice 26: The public hearing notice does need to be delivered

[3:12:43] Voice 26: in specific timelines for the legislation, but yeah.

[3:12:48] Voice 4: And we did get a lot of detail in the original application,

[3:12:53] Voice 4: including comments from the fire chief.

[3:12:57] Voice 4: So I certainly agree with the ABC,

[3:13:00] Voice 4: BC and that would be great to have an industrial zone for things like this but where it's being

[3:13:06] Voice 4: requested right now is kind of an ideal location for us serving businesses and the public

[3:13:15] Voice 4: yeah but it would be it's essential to have the fire and safety expert attend the community

[3:13:21] Voice 4: information meeting sure any

[3:13:26] Trustee Elliott: other questions so yeah I'm not concerned

[3:13:31] Trustee Elliott: about the request for a referral to the fire department because the fire chief

[3:13:35] Trustee Elliott: has already weighed in but the consideration of the industrial light

[3:13:45] Trustee Elliott: zone designation like if we were to consider that we'd have to redraft the

[3:13:53] Trustee Elliott: bylaws and and create a new zone essentially is that what they're suggesting we've got

[3:14:00] Trustee Elliott: suggested in our ocp we've got okay and

[3:14:04] Voice 4: so what would happen is this would be if that ocp

[3:14:08] Voice 4: comes to pass and that is oh you mean the new one the new one then this would be more or less

[3:14:13] Voice 4: grandfathered where it is right now as many like there's quite a few industrial operations happening

[3:14:18] Voice 8: in

[3:14:18] Voice 4: various locations and you know you can you can break you can make the well but you can't

[3:14:27] Voice 4: make the horse come to the well afterwards so it's great if we do eventually end up with the

[3:14:32] Voice 4: light industrial zone on april i think that would be ideal but as it stands now this is somewhat

[3:14:40] Voice 4: somewhat urgent for supplying propane yeah so as it stands now as long as the fire and safety risks

[3:14:49] Voice 4: are deemed acceptable that was a very very long report that we went to a few months ago

[3:14:56] Voice 4: and it was like there was a big red zone and then the explosion zone and then the other explosion

[3:15:01] Voice 4: zone and

[3:15:01] Trustee Elliott: oh my god my kids live here their business is there i live over here my entire

[3:15:05] Trustee Elliott: The entire life is in that zone somewhere, but it all makes sense.

[3:15:12] Trustee Elliott: So I support the intent to create a light industrial zone, but I think that is coming with the draft OCP.

[3:15:21] Trustee Elliott: It's not suitable for right now because it would hold up the process.

[3:15:25] Voice 26: That would be what I would expect is that that sounds like a project.

[3:15:31] Voice 22: or

[3:15:31] Voice 26: determine a parcel and and in this case it's a we're receiving an application from somebody who

[3:15:38] Voice 26: who wants to carry out his use in this particular location and that's what this application is

[3:15:43] Voice 26: considering if the LTC did want to consider establishing a light industrial dome somewhere

[3:15:47] Voice 26: uh that could be done but probably through a project yeah

[3:15:51] Voice 4: well we do want that to happen

[3:15:53] Voice 4: but it will be through the OCP review well

[3:15:55] Voice 16: yeah

[3:15:57] Trustee Elliott: and it actually doesn't matter what it's titled

[3:15:59] Trustee Elliott: It's not that the activities are described in the zone, so whether it's commercial or light industrial zone.

[3:16:09] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[3:16:10] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[3:16:11] Voice 26: Just one, maybe one more related thing is that this this proposal does maintain the existing uses of that part of which are predominantly institutional.

[3:16:24] Voice 26: and so and our understanding is that you know it wouldn't be up to the landowner but if they wanted

[3:16:31] Voice 26: to relocate or or remove this use it would be possible to do that and maybe perhaps that's a

[3:16:37] Voice 26: question for the applicant more so but that's what i'm understanding sorry

[3:16:42] Trustee Elliott: remove the use of

[3:16:44] Trustee Elliott: the institutional remove

[3:16:45] Voice 26: the room if they were if they were to cease carrying out if they for

[3:16:48] Voice 26: whatever reason in the future want to move their operations somewhere that that they could um that

[3:16:54] Voice 26: would be possible to do that there's not that in-ground tanks or something that are being

[3:16:59] Voice 26: proposed with this yeah

[3:17:01] Voice 4: yeah because historically that was the doctor's office which is how it got

[3:17:07] Voice 4: that funny zoning which is really like anyway it's in a commercial zone really truly any other

[3:17:18] Voice 30: questions? No. If there's no further questions, we will proceed with the resolutions

[3:17:23] Trustee Elliott: on page 48.

[3:17:25] Voice 9: I

[3:17:26] Trustee Elliott: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff schedule a public

[3:17:30] Trustee Elliott: hearing for bylaws number 321, cited as Gabriela Official Community Plan, Gabriela

[3:17:36] Voice 4: bylaw number

[3:17:37] Voice 4: number 1A66, sorry, my I66, 1997, amendment number 2024, and bylaw number 322, cited as

[3:17:49] Voice 4: Gabriel Allen Lenny's bylaw 1999, amendment number 2024, on February 19th, 2026, during

[3:17:57] Voice 4: its

[3:17:57] Trustee Elliott: regular business meeting.

[3:17:59] Trustee Elliott: Before I get a second, is there usually a number there?

[3:18:02] Voice 30: Yes.

[3:18:02] Voice 26: Yes, yes, there is.

[3:18:04] Voice 26: and I'm just looking tonight to make sure that I can find their yeah right

[3:18:07] Voice 26: down there um so

[3:18:21] Voice 26: actually two corrections um the first bylaw number 321 cited as gabriola should be gabriel official

[3:18:32] Voice 26: community plan brackets gabriola close bracket bylaw number 166 of 1997 amendment number one

[3:18:40] Voice 26: 1, 2025,

[3:18:42] Voice 9: and

[3:18:44] Voice 26: the bylaw number 322, it is, I'll just read the whole thing over the similar

[3:18:53] Voice 26: correction, Averill Island Land Use Bylaw 1999, Amendment Number 1, 2025.

[3:19:02] Voice 30: Noting those corrections, the motion's been made. Is there a second? Seconded by Trustee

[3:19:08] Voice 30: Elliot any discussion of my only discussion point was I'd like to thank a member of the audience at

[3:19:15] Voice 30: our break mentioning that when we do have public hearings and so forth that we should have make

[3:19:20] Voice 30: sure microphones are present in the room that would be useful to help help people here yes

[3:19:31] Voice 8: okay

[3:19:31] Voice 30: well that's another issue here but any other discussion call the vote all those in favor

[3:19:41] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff schedule a standalone

[3:19:46] Trustee Elliott: electronic community information meeting prior to the public hearing and request attendance

[3:19:51] Trustee Elliott: from the applicant's expert in fire and risk.

[3:19:55] Trustee Elliott: Second that.

[3:19:56] Trustee Elliott: Seconded by Trustee Yates.

[3:19:57] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[3:19:58] Trustee Elliott: Did the applicant confirm that an expert could be available?

[3:20:03] Trustee Elliott: He said yes.

[3:20:05] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[3:20:06] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:20:07] Trustee Elliott: Great.

[3:20:07] Trustee Elliott: Great.

[3:20:08] Trustee Elliott: All right, any further discussion?

[3:20:11] Trustee Elliott: I'll call the vote then, all those in favor?

[3:20:13] Voice 30: And that too carries.

[3:20:15] Voice 30: All right, thank you very much, Mr. Buckingham,

[3:20:17] Voice 30: for being here today and see you in the next phases.

[3:20:21] Voice 30: All

[3:20:21] Voice 25: right, thank you very much.

[3:20:24] Voice 30: All right, trustee, sorry, I need to talk to myself.

[3:20:28] Voice 30: We're moving on to item 9.3,

[3:20:31] Voice 30: which is trust counsel bylaw 183,

[3:20:35] Voice 30: policy statement referral reports on page 61 I don't know if he is

[3:20:44] Voice 30: there

[3:20:46] Voice 11: he is we're gonna need his help hello

[3:20:52] Voice 4: hello

[3:20:54] Voice 1: gabriela ltc thank you chair um it's not

[3:20:57] Voice 1: my intention to provide a presentation or anything like that I'm really just here in the background

[3:21:00] Voice 1: ground, and in fact, would prefer to contribute as little as possible, because this is really

[3:21:06] Voice 1: your time. I don't want to be seen to be massaging the substance, but if any questions do arise that

[3:21:12] Voice 1: you think I would be helpful to contribute to, I am around. Well, we

[3:21:15] Voice 30: appreciate, we know you're

[3:21:17] Voice 30: there, so we may have questions for you. So, I'm going to open the floor on this discussion.

[3:21:22] Voice 30: Trustees, what do you mean? Maybe

[3:21:24] Voice 4: just a general statement. Okay, go ahead. After quite a bit of

[3:21:30] Voice 4: discussion with community members and looking at it again and again i think we we are going to

[3:21:36] Voice 4: recommend proceeding but with some conditions would that be correct trustee elliott because

[3:21:44] Voice 4: generally it's a great policy statement but there are a few things that we feel are missing yeah

[3:21:50] Voice 8: yeah

[3:21:51] Voice 4: there's a few things all right so i have to go first maybe maybe because mine is a very

[3:21:59] Voice 4: singular kind of thing. Maybe I have to go first on the issue of the missing link, the

[3:22:05] Voice 4: missing fixed link. Because...

[3:22:09] Voice 4: You

[3:22:10] Trustee Elliott: mean the prohibition of the fixed link.

[3:22:12] Trustee Elliott: Yeah,

[3:22:12] Voice 4: whatever. So we're thinking that we need to get a directive, no, not a directive

[3:22:19] Voice 4: policy, but what we're thinking, a guiding principle back into the trust policy statement

[3:22:27] Voice 4: addressing the issue of a fixed link. So I can read a potential motion here. I move that

[3:22:37] Voice 4: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request

[3:22:40] Trustee Elliott: trust council. Is it trust council or committee

[3:22:43] Trustee Elliott: as a whole? I was going to

[3:22:44] Voice 30: say, before we go to motions, if you could just ask what it is,

[3:22:48] Voice 30: because I think we should probably try to, if we're going to have a...

[3:22:53] Voice 5: Just do an omnibus?

[3:22:54] Voice 30: Yes, because you're

[3:22:55] Voice 30: creating conditions, so we should, so let's just have a conversation about what

[3:23:02] Voice 9: those

[3:23:03] Voice 30: conditions may be,

[3:23:05] Voice 9: and then

[3:23:07] Voice 9: we

[3:23:10] Voice 30: can make one big motion.

[3:23:13] Voice 30: If you have agreement, if we can break them out, if you have disagreement on what

[3:23:17] Voice 4: they are.

[3:23:19] Voice 4: Yep, and I've got

[3:23:21] Trustee Elliott: the exact wording as far

[3:23:22] Voice 4: as the rest

[3:23:22] Trustee Elliott: of it, but that's great.

[3:23:25] Trustee Elliott: So it would be a guiding principle stipulating there would be no fixed links between the islands?

[3:23:31] Voice 8: Yep.

[3:23:33] Trustee Elliott: So, but you don't want the exact wording right now?

[3:23:36] Trustee Elliott: I don't think we need the exact wording right now.

[3:23:38] Trustee Elliott: I think we can go through the conversation if we're capturing them and then package them.

[3:23:43] Trustee Elliott: If I could read, you know, we had a lot of community input.

[3:23:49] Trustee Elliott: put. I did have some difficulty with parsing out what was from

[3:23:54] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel the residents because of course it all went for the

[3:23:57] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel the 2050 website. So it would have been nice if we could

[3:24:01] Trustee Elliott: have seen their responses on this agenda. But I did read

[3:24:06] Trustee Elliott: through them all. And I just want to highlight a few things

[3:24:09] Trustee Elliott: that I pulled from some of the letters that have helped me with

[3:24:15] Trustee Elliott: with some suggestions or those conditions

[3:24:18] Trustee Elliott: that I think we can strengthen in the policy statement.

[3:24:22] Trustee Elliott: And Susan and I have had a conversation with that.

[3:24:24] Trustee Elliott: Some of that came out with what Rob Brockley shared

[3:24:28] Trustee Elliott: behalf of GALT about strengthening

[3:24:30] Trustee Elliott: forest stewardship policies.

[3:24:32] Trustee Elliott: So if I could go through,

[3:24:34] Trustee Elliott: I'll try to just skim through as quickly as possible.

[3:24:37] Trustee Elliott: And I sent the letters or the,

[3:24:39] Trustee Elliott: so lack of a context statement

[3:24:42] Trustee Elliott: about islands trust jurisdiction and general introduction this has been covered at length um

[3:24:49] Trustee Elliott: as in we're this draft is dealing with core policies all the supporting material explaining

[3:24:56] Trustee Elliott: islands trust is not germane to the statutory document that we're looking at so i'm just saying

[3:25:04] Trustee Elliott: what we've heard i'm summarizing what we've heard just so that the community knows they've been

[3:25:08] Trustee Elliott: her um lack of a guiding principle or strong directives related to climate change and the

[3:25:15] Trustee Elliott: need for stronger policies to direct communities to adapt to and mitigate impacts of climate change

[3:25:21] Trustee Elliott: and for example Mr. Earls stated again and has reiterated about achievable measures that LTAs

[3:25:30] Trustee Elliott: could put in place like supporting public transportation and electric vehicles

[3:25:35] Trustee Elliott: so the commitments of trust council that was in a previous draft we're now looking at can we add

[3:25:44] Trustee Elliott: some general guiding principles and I do think there's one missing about advocacy for powers

[3:25:51] Trustee Elliott: that the trust determines it needs to uphold the mandate there is the long-standing advocacy about

[3:25:58] Trustee Elliott: about limiting tree cutting or limiting clear cutting of old growth.

[3:26:02] Trustee Elliott: So those commitments, you know, they're not used in gauging

[3:26:10] Trustee Elliott: whether a bylaw meets the test of upholding the policy statement.

[3:26:13] Trustee Elliott: And I think that's why they were eliminated,

[3:26:15] Trustee Elliott: because they're not the core policy document.

[3:26:17] Trustee Elliott: But we think that maybe there could be a guiding principle around

[3:26:23] Trustee Elliott: Trust Council should advocate for powers if it feels they are missing

[3:26:27] Trustee Elliott: same to uphold the mandate well and also um this is this is a guiding document for how council

[3:26:33] Voice 4: works as well it's not just sort of a checklist for you know each local trust committee um it is

[3:26:39] Voice 4: also a guiding document for how council operates and so i know both

[3:26:44] Trustee Elliott: trustee elliot and myself feel

[3:26:45] Trustee Elliott: that there are some of those broader things missing yeah so we've heard from galt and others

[3:26:53] Trustee Elliott: that we should see in this document that continue to push

[3:27:00] Trustee Elliott: to seek jurisdictional authority to prohibit clear-cutting.

[3:27:03] Trustee Elliott: I don't know.

[3:27:04] Trustee Elliott: We've had lots of conversation about that,

[3:27:06] Trustee Elliott: so I'm just going to say that we've heard that.

[3:27:10] Trustee Elliott: The commitments to reconciliation,

[3:27:13] Trustee Elliott: there was definitely mixed input from community members.

[3:27:17] Trustee Elliott: I read several letters that were calling for stronger language

[3:27:22] Trustee Elliott: for inclusion of First Nations in decision-making.

[3:27:24] Trustee Elliott: For instance, one letter writer said that there's a gap

[3:27:29] Trustee Elliott: in effective co-governance in that First Nation citizens

[3:27:32] Trustee Elliott: who do not own fee simple properties in the trust area

[3:27:35] Trustee Elliott: are excluded from voting for Ireland's trustees.

[3:27:38] Trustee Elliott: So there were some who were saying it would be more

[3:27:41] Trustee Elliott: in terms of the inclusion of First Nations

[3:27:46] Trustee Elliott: in decision-making and some were saying

[3:27:49] Trustee Elliott: we're uncomfortable with this and this talk of co-governance is leading us down a path of

[3:27:56] Trustee Elliott: sharing decision making and are not comfortable with that and I just want to say for the record

[3:28:01] Trustee Elliott: that all of the statements on reconciliation the commitments were reviewed by legal counsel

[3:28:06] Trustee Elliott: and I can't share what was shared in the information that legal counsel gave but

[3:28:14] Trustee Elliott: But I will say that from a very conservative viewpoint,

[3:28:20] Trustee Elliott: what we have in this document did not raise alarm bells.

[3:28:25] Trustee Elliott: Otherwise, it would not be the document that you see today

[3:28:28] Trustee Elliott: because it did go through legal review.

[3:28:30] Trustee Elliott: And it also went through our senior Indigenous advisor.

[3:28:35] Trustee Elliott: Well, these are municipal lawyers who are looking at it

[3:28:38] Trustee Elliott: from a municipal law direction.

[3:28:39] Trustee Elliott: And what the Local Government Act and the community charter stipulates.

[3:28:44] Trustee Elliott: and basically the jurisdictional lane that we have to stay within.

[3:28:47] Trustee Elliott: So the commitments to reconciliation, there's a lot of people that are uncomfortable with it,

[3:28:51] Trustee Elliott: the language about building foundations that would lead to co-governance one day.

[3:28:59] Trustee Elliott: I'm comfortable with the framing that is here, but I do hear the challenges that it presents

[3:29:08] Trustee Elliott: when people don't know, are we respecting that jurisdictional authority or not?

[3:29:14] Trustee Elliott: So, point E, there was a good conversation, actually, at Conservancy Board about the precautionary principle.

[3:29:23] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[3:29:23] Trustee Elliott: And somebody brought forward that the precautionary principle should be a directive policy.

[3:29:29] Trustee Elliott: And so, I looked this up.

[3:29:31] Trustee Elliott: I'm like, what is the history of the precautionary principle, which it's been in use in international legislation for a very long time,

[3:29:39] Trustee Elliott: um related to um basically that the polluter pays that if there is going to be an impact there is a

[3:29:49] Trustee Elliott: plan for what is the mitigation um to address the impact but when i looked up is it a principal

[3:30:00] Trustee Elliott: or a policy i have read that based on the precautionary principle and on the principles

[3:30:06] Trustee Elliott: that preventative action should be taken environmental damage should as a priority

[3:30:10] Trustee Elliott: be rectified at source and that polluter should pay environmental protection requirements must

[3:30:15] Trustee Elliott: be integrated into the definition and implementation of other community policies

[3:30:19] Trustee Elliott: so i'm comfortable with precautionary principle as a principle and not being a policy because it

[3:30:28] Trustee Elliott: will guide all of the policies that are developed with regard to environmental protection so and

[3:30:35] Trustee Elliott: you're meaning like a guiding like it's in it's in there as a guiding principle but we have that

[3:30:39] Trustee Elliott: conversation i can i

[3:30:40] Voice 30: i agree i've had lots of conversations and heard things as well but um

[3:30:46] Voice 30: with climate change as you know that the things are changing differently the landscapes are

[3:30:52] Voice 30: changing cautionary principles is absolutely valid yeah to apply sometimes you're going to

[3:30:58] Voice 30: have to do something

[3:30:59] Trustee Elliott: yes when you might not know yeah and that uncertainty and risk is always there

[3:31:05] Trustee Elliott: but if you know that there it doesn't it shouldn't prevent you from taking action to prohibit it uh

[3:31:14] Trustee Elliott: um a development let's say that would you know harm the environment that uncertainty

[3:31:19] Trustee Elliott: Uncertainty is not a reason for non-action.

[3:31:21] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:31:23] Trustee Elliott: So 2.12, this is the prioritizing environmental

[3:31:28] Trustee Elliott: and Indigenous cultural heritage protection.

[3:31:32] Trustee Elliott: I heard from many community members, not many here, rather.

[3:31:36] Trustee Elliott: I've heard from two or three community members here,

[3:31:38] Trustee Elliott: but some on other islands,

[3:31:40] Trustee Elliott: that it's very confusing to have two priorities.

[3:31:43] Trustee Elliott: The Western mind wants one priority.

[3:31:46] Trustee Elliott: if you're prioritizing something that is the priority how can you have two um well it's it's

[3:31:55] Trustee Elliott: not about prioritizing it's about the information that you take in for your decision making and both

[3:32:02] Trustee Elliott: environmental and indigenous heritage protection are linked in that they both have to do with the

[3:32:08] Trustee Elliott: environment um cultural heritage comes from the environment it is wedded together there isn't a

[3:32:14] Trustee Elliott: separation um and so I'm very comfortable with the prioritizing of both and um but I welcome

[3:32:23] Trustee Elliott: some conversation on that yeah well um no I'm okay with that too it has

[3:32:28] Trustee Elliott: come up on other islands I

[3:32:30] Trustee Elliott: have a master list here where I track where I hear it um and I think your your your description is

[3:32:36] Trustee Elliott: fine and I'm focusing on how you two are looking at it from your island's perspective

[3:32:41] Voice 9: so

[3:32:42] Trustee Elliott: 233 working towards collaborative governance with indigenous governing bodies

[3:32:47] Trustee Elliott: again back to having gone through legal review this was very carefully evaluated what language

[3:32:56] Trustee Elliott: are we using so there isn't strong support from the gabriel community there's oh sorry i shouldn't

[3:33:03] Trustee Elliott: say that three or four letters came in that strongly supported this and we're gladly glad

[3:33:08] Trustee Elliott: glad to see it um as we heard today lots of people are uncomfortable with it but the language is work

[3:33:15] Trustee Elliott: toward building foundations for collaborative governance with indigenous governing bodies

[3:33:21] Trustee Elliott: i think it's quite passive language it's very much like work toward building foundations we

[3:33:28] Trustee Elliott: are not creating law with this we are it's processes and it's information sharing and

[3:33:33] Trustee Elliott: relationship building one day in future which would require not an amendment to the act but a

[3:33:40] Trustee Elliott: section six or seven um um agreement which the province would have to write if there was to be

[3:33:48] Trustee Elliott: a truly collaborative governance structure that would be a provincial decision so working towards

[3:33:54] Trustee Elliott: building foundations is i don't think putting us in any danger so now we get into particular

[3:33:59] Trustee Elliott: particular policies land back is an advisory policy 3.13 um i've done a lot of research

[3:34:07] Trustee Elliott: and had some good conversations with staff i do think there are challenges with understanding

[3:34:13] Trustee Elliott: this policy so we could probably better define what amenity contributions are i do think that

[3:34:19] Trustee Elliott: could be strengthened and clarified um it's causing confusion because people don't understand

[3:34:25] Trustee Elliott: down what an amenity contribution is and it simply is if a developer is going to get extra densities

[3:34:34] Trustee Elliott: there's a provision which has been very actively used by local governments for 30 years at least

[3:34:40] Trustee Elliott: and we have a policy on it in Islands Trust to contribute a contribution to the community

[3:34:47] Trustee Elliott: And an instance is the 707 here in Gabriola for the extra densities that are on a parcel

[3:34:56] Trustee Elliott: of land.

[3:34:57] Trustee Elliott: And so what that advisory policy is, is that the amenity contribution could go to a First

[3:35:05] Trustee Elliott: Nation, to a First Nation land trust, to something other than the community that we could consider

[3:35:13] Trustee Elliott: a donation and that's entirely voluntary by the landowner and I think what's difficult about this

[3:35:20] Trustee Elliott: policy is people think it's giving land back but it's actually a voluntary contribution by the

[3:35:26] Trustee Elliott: landowner entirely their choice of where that contribution goes so I think that language should

[3:35:33] Trustee Elliott: be um clarified okay

[3:35:36] Voice 4: with me going on yeah and I I agree and the term land back is a little bit

[3:35:40] Voice 4: misleading because it's not necessarily a particular piece of land that's going

[3:35:45] Voice 4: back to a particular place or nation it's it's kind of more it's a bit more

[3:35:52] Voice 4: amorphous yeah it's definitely it's an amenity contribution and

[3:35:58] Trustee Elliott: it's a it's a

[3:35:59] Trustee Elliott: worthy one well we've seen the example on Salt Spring there's been a land back

[3:36:04] Trustee Elliott: at a community initiative they're fundraising to return a parcel of land

[3:36:10] Trustee Elliott: to Wasainich beside their reserve. And so that's an example, that's a community-led

[3:36:19] Trustee Elliott: amenity contribution. But we have these instruments, you would create a bylaw,

[3:36:23] Trustee Elliott: would go through the process, and so that already exists. And actually First Nations.

[3:36:31] Trustee Elliott: So 3.21 to 3.23, the identification and protection of Indigenous cultural and harvesting sites.

[3:36:40] Trustee Elliott: I saw strong support for that.

[3:36:42] Trustee Elliott: I didn't see anybody saying that that wasn't appropriate.

[3:36:48] Trustee Elliott: Some people feel there should be stronger policies

[3:36:50] Trustee Elliott: for ecosystem integrity,

[3:36:52] Trustee Elliott: and I wanted to linger here for a bit.

[3:36:55] Trustee Elliott: 3.31 to 3.39.

[3:36:59] Trustee Elliott: Some people wanted to see all the forest types identified

[3:37:06] Trustee Elliott: like they are in the current policy statement.

[3:37:09] Trustee Elliott: I just want to go to this for a second, make sure I'm not misspeaking, it's been helpful

[3:37:18] Voice 8: to actually have this printed out for

[3:37:20] Voice 16: you.

[3:37:26] Voice 8: So we're at 3431

[3:37:32] Trustee Elliott: or 32, 331, yeah, protected area network, sensitive ecosystems, forest

[3:37:40] Trustee Elliott: ecosystems, coastal oak and prairie ecosystems, watershed ecosystems.

[3:37:44] Trustee Elliott: So those five terrestrial ecosystems, by understanding this, they're grouped under sort of one or two policies in the current policy statement. Is that right? But they're named differently.

[3:38:04] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:38:05] Voice 30: do know the 2022 version is one policy with nine bullets.

[3:38:10] Voice 30: One policy with nine bullets.

[3:38:11] Voice 30: That's the 2022 version.

[3:38:15] Voice 30: yeah the

[3:38:15] Voice 30: current policy statement has forest ecosystems as his own section yeah but does it

[3:38:20] Trustee Elliott: list all the different ecosystem types in

[3:38:24] Voice 30: the directive policy the current one under forest

[3:38:28] Voice 30: local trust committees that might only be showing their efficient community plans and management

[3:38:32] Voice 30: address the protection of

[3:38:34] Trustee Elliott: unfragmented forest ecosystems that's it that's it right so

[3:38:39] Trustee Elliott: So what council did, well, what staff did, I think, and we're largely comfortable with

[3:38:45] Trustee Elliott: this, is separate that protected area networks is one policy.

[3:38:50] Trustee Elliott: What is a protected area could be a range of ecosystems.

[3:38:54] Trustee Elliott: Then you've got sensitive ecosystems should be identified and prioritized, and then it

[3:39:00] Trustee Elliott: lists them.

[3:39:01] Trustee Elliott: Then forest ecosystems, and I think we heard from Galt that they were uncomfortable with

[3:39:08] Trustee Elliott: with the language of forest ecosystems, specifically.

[3:39:15] Trustee Elliott: I wanna go back to our original.

[3:39:21] Voice 16: So I was just gonna suggest that,

[3:39:42] Voice 3: I'm just pausing,

[3:39:43] Trustee Elliott: because we had a wording for,

[3:39:48] Trustee Elliott: Jason, do you remember, help me.

[3:39:53] Trustee Elliott: um we wrote you some draft responses early on what

[3:40:02] Voice 16: date was that

[3:40:07] Voice 16: yeah correspondence oh

[3:40:10] Voice 15: i can't find anything now there we go

[3:40:19] Voice 8: okay we can come back to that one i will just find it we have a long

[3:40:26] Trustee Elliott: correspondence with rob

[3:40:28] Trustee Elliott: broccoli about the wording and

[3:40:31] Voice 4: he was not just referring to the local conservancy he was referring

[3:40:34] Voice 4: to the the collaborative work that the 11 conservancies have done across the trust area

[3:40:41] Voice 4: and then that was a great deal of effort going into one cohesive document coming to us that

[3:40:48] Voice 4: i feel that we should pay pretty close attention to oh

[3:40:52] Trustee Elliott: you know what i apologize so um his feedback

[3:40:55] Trustee Elliott: back he actually prefers policy 333 forest ecosystems in the current draft to the wording

[3:41:01] Trustee Elliott: in the previous draft because this one includes restoration right but the strength of the previous

[3:41:08] Trustee Elliott: 436 which is the 2022 version is that it referenced the need for size when protecting

[3:41:14] Trustee Elliott: the landscape from the adverse impacts of growth and development so uh he was asking to see the

[3:41:20] Trustee Elliott: size in policy 333 which is forest ecosystems so identify forest ecosystems but i think that's

[3:41:32] Trustee Elliott: captured in 331 protected area networks identify establish and sustain a network of protected areas

[3:41:38] Trustee Elliott: of sufficient size so that doesn't define it should be forest but it's any protected area

[3:41:44] Trustee Elliott: that it should be of a sufficient size and distribution to preserve the environmental

[3:41:48] Trustee Elliott: integrity of ecosystems so i don't think that really needs to be added like size that's not

[3:41:59] Trustee Elliott: the point of this policy it's that you should identify forest ecosystems and prioritize their

[3:42:04] Trustee Elliott: protection link yeah so i'm comfortable with what we have here yeah i am too yeah cool awesome

[3:42:10] Trustee Elliott: Awesome. So then, housing policies. There's very mixed feedback, and I think everybody got very much on a different track with the misinterpreting FAR, floor area ratio.

[3:42:29] Trustee Elliott: I think we should have gotten that.

[3:42:31] Trustee Elliott: A mistake in the, I think in the definition.

[3:42:34] Trustee Elliott: It's in the definition.

[3:42:35] Trustee Elliott: As an example, that should not have been used. That's a very, it's an urban term that refers to sort of area ratio and going vertical. But total floor area is what is being discussed in the housing diversity and allowing for the clustered small dwelling.

[3:42:52] Trustee Elliott: So, I think there was very mixed support.

[3:42:57] Trustee Elliott: There was one speaker who, or one writer who suggested that the Directive 3414, so 3414,

[3:43:08] Trustee Elliott: set floor area

[3:43:09] Trustee Elliott: and lot coverage limits, to amend the Directive to say something like

[3:43:17] Trustee Elliott: set floor area and lock coverage limits for residential development to reduce maximum

[3:43:23] Trustee Elliott: dwelling sizes and lock coverage and lock coverage to minimize negative impacts on the natural

[3:43:29] Trustee Elliott: environment so i wanted to have a bit of discussion about that because set floor area unlock coverage

[3:43:38] Trustee Elliott: limits for residential development to reduce so what

[3:43:44] Voice 4: what they're saying is what we're it's already

[3:43:48] Voice 4: kind of encompassed in here if you're going to minimize negative environmental impact

[3:43:52] Voice 4: you're going to be looking at smaller footprints but but this is stating it they want it stated

[3:43:59] Voice 4: more directly well

[3:44:00] Trustee Elliott: and this is the thing a lot of the feedback that we had was about the goal

[3:44:05] Trustee Elliott: they want they wanted to include the goal like what are we trying to achieve with this policy

[3:44:10] Trustee Elliott: in the policy itself rather than the policy is the directive to achieve the goal like the goal

[3:44:17] Trustee Elliott: doesn't have to be implicit so this writer thank you for submitting your detailed comments by the

[3:44:23] Trustee Elliott: way the purpose of it is saying to reduce the maximum dwelling sizes and lot coverage to

[3:44:31] Trustee Elliott: minimize negative impacts but that is the whole point of the policy that the minimizing the

[3:44:36] Trustee Elliott: negative impacts is the point

[3:44:37] Voice 4: of the policy so so that we will be thinking about a reduction of

[3:44:43] Voice 4: but

[3:44:44] Voice 30: look at the goal statement above is that is that the place that means wording now remember

[3:44:49] Voice 30: the document is going to be looked at in its entire name and there is a goal statement where

[3:44:55] Voice 30: is a bit it's on page the just above the directive policy so yeah three point four point one goal

[3:45:02] Trustee Elliott: four right the policies support the preservation and protection of unique island character and aim

[3:45:09] Trustee Elliott: to foster sustainable inclusive rural and resilient island communities but the goal

[3:45:16] Trustee Elliott: yeah so the policies should support

[3:45:18] Trustee Elliott: that goal so

[3:45:19] Voice 30: is that is the goal clear is the goal clear

[3:45:23] Voice 30: that's my question is the goal clear for because what you had just said is here you know it's just

[3:45:32] Voice 30: foster sustainable energy to minimize you can't minimize the associated environmental impactor

[3:45:40] Voice 30: right so the goal could goal could be further stronger yes right um

[3:45:47] Trustee Elliott: fix it in the individual

[3:45:48] Trustee Elliott: policies or you look back to the goal so it could be to minimize natural negative impacts

[3:45:54] Trustee Elliott: in the natural environment or to um avoid to minimize but whatever words yeah so we could

[3:46:05] Trustee Elliott: could have a recommendation to strengthen the wording in the goal because that is the point

[3:46:11] Trustee Elliott: but

[3:46:12] Voice 8: I

[3:46:21] Trustee Elliott: guess my question is does the policy need to change to say

[3:46:26] Trustee Elliott: set maximum floor area and lock coverage limits because it just says set floor area and unlock

[3:46:36] Trustee Elliott: lot coverage limits um i mean what south pender has done is maximum floor area limits and it's

[3:46:43] Trustee Elliott: even though it's huge variable success that's a maximum um yeah but that's that would help

[3:46:50] Voice 30: it doesn't yeah it does i think it's just because the wording is set maximum to minimize

[3:46:56] Voice 30: because

[3:46:57] Voice 4: we're not stating the number here we might do that in our ocp but what it just does here is

[3:47:01] Voice 4: Is it, it helps us with our OCP in thinking about that?

[3:47:06] Trustee Elliott: I mean, limits, it implies that there is a max, there is a threshold.

[3:47:11] Trustee Elliott: If the word limit is there, there's a

[3:47:14] Trustee Elliott: limit to how.

[3:47:16] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I guess a limit is the maximum, isn't it?

[3:47:18] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, and that's determined by each local trust committee.

[3:47:21] Trustee Elliott: So I think this is okay.

[3:47:23] Trustee Elliott: I think we could just strengthen the goal.

[3:47:25] Voice 9: So

[3:47:25] Trustee Elliott: we add stronger language to that goal.

[3:47:29] Trustee Elliott: and you you don't have to wordsmith it you could you could you're just gonna say you're saying

[3:47:35] Voice 30: that something that this could be strengthened to

[3:47:39] Voice 4: to

[3:47:41] Voice 30: whatever you know

[3:47:42] Voice 4: jason is listening right

[3:47:43] Voice 30: he's listening you're gonna put it in a condition so yeah

[3:47:46] Trustee Elliott: yeah so

[3:47:47] Voice 30: what policy are you hearing us

[3:47:49] Voice 30: jason i

[3:47:50] Voice 1: am yes and i and i endorse what uh the chair just said there which is that

[3:47:54] Voice 1: we don't need to do all of the wordsmithing of the of the policies now and if trust council chooses

[3:48:01] Voice 1: to take the local trust committee up on these suggestions for change then trust council will

[3:48:07] Voice 1: likely look to me to do some initial wordsmithing and then come back to them

[3:48:11] Voice 30: so i think you just

[3:48:12] Voice 30: need the general you want to

[3:48:13] Voice 30: see it strengthened

[3:48:13] Trustee Elliott: okay so this

[3:48:16] Trustee Elliott: so three stronger language in goal

[3:48:18] Trustee Elliott: four about limiting negative impact to the environment right that's what you're okay

[3:48:23] Trustee Elliott: Okay, natural environment, that's another thing that people have been commenting on, to be natural.

[3:48:29] Voice 30: Yes, and my research about the Trust Council last term did pass a motion that specifically said to be natural in the terrestrial marine environment.

[3:48:38] Voice 30: So they clarified that they are talking about the natural environment last term in

[3:48:43] Trustee Elliott: a unanimous vote.

[3:48:44] Trustee Elliott: Wow, that's great. So that was what I had. I saw generally strong support for this. Several speakers wrote that it would be good to curb the trend on all Salish Sea Islands that larger properties have wealthier owners building larger, more opulent houses by typical island community standards.

[3:49:08] Trustee Elliott: standards total floor area is quote right-sized housing function and sustainability and maintaining

[3:49:13] Trustee Elliott: the character of these gulf islands so limiting size is not a perfect tool but it's um it's

[3:49:20] Trustee Elliott: basically the only thing we can do as land use planning agency you can't um unless you're doing

[3:49:29] Trustee Elliott: form and character uh there was a question about defining residential development or just calling

[3:49:36] Trustee Elliott: at development so some of the language in like residential like there's

[3:49:48] Trustee Elliott: residential commercial industrial development so you got the growth

[3:49:51] Trustee Elliott: management directed certain areas how's it just areas university yeah I don't oh

[3:50:02] Trustee Elliott: yeah my question yeah so three four one four actually should we take out

[3:50:08] Trustee Elliott: residential development and just say board development and it would apply to all those

[3:50:16] Trustee Elliott: commercial industrial residential jason um could because it's under the housing section it's under

[3:50:23] Trustee Elliott: the housing section thank you and it stays that makes sense yeah so that was my question

[3:50:29] Trustee Elliott: so advisory policies on housing i didn't see any objections to that i did hear some people say

[3:50:35] Trustee Elliott: oh three four one nine we should move that to directive but then no we shouldn't because

[3:50:41] Trustee Elliott: natural building materials are not fire safe but ultimately we can't make it a directive policy

[3:50:46] Trustee Elliott: because we don't regulate um building materials or building code and natural building materials

[3:50:53] Trustee Elliott: are are fire safe not all of them but some of them are very fire safe cedars not no but cobb is

[3:51:00] Trustee Elliott: comments yes um yeah so is it like i don't know how the local trust committee would encourage

[3:51:07] Trustee Elliott: construction of buildings using natural building materials but people wanted it and there it is

[3:51:14] Trustee Elliott: it's advisory there was a conversation about rural um i heard a few times that rural should

[3:51:26] Trustee Elliott: be introduced as a descriptor in more places um i'm kind of i'm not sure how you would use a

[3:51:38] Trustee Elliott: directive policy to make something rural or keep it rural if it isn't already rural so like what

[3:51:46] Trustee Elliott: would that do by naming something rural the place where you need to have it is when you're talking

[3:51:51] Trustee Elliott: about character so

[3:51:53] Voice 4: if you're talking about the character of the trust area it's often described

[3:51:56] Voice 4: as rural but it's not really a directive directive policy it's more like

[3:52:05] Voice 8: it was like a

[3:52:06] Voice 8: principle or something like

[3:52:09] Voice 4: yeah or maybe just

[3:52:10] Voice 4: you know the very the introduction of the trust

[3:52:12] Voice 4: policy statement well it's

[3:52:15] Voice 30: in the goal goal four makes reference

[3:52:17] Voice 30: to rural yeah

[3:52:17] Voice 4: and it doesn't say

[3:52:18] Voice 4: rural character uh

[3:52:20] Voice 30: just inclusive rural and resilient island communities rural community

[3:52:24] Voice 30: that's pretty good we've got

[3:52:26] Trustee Elliott: roadways roadways um that's it i think it was just it was it's very

[3:52:32] Trustee Elliott: predominant in in the older one in the current tps and it's not a lot here so i did hear um

[3:52:41] Trustee Elliott: some people writing about that case um i actually agree so aesthetic was another word that

[3:52:53] Trustee Elliott: was identified as being vague. Vague?

[3:52:59] Trustee Elliott: Vague. Aesthetic. It's referring to 343.

[3:53:08] Trustee Elliott: Impacts of development. Consider the aesthetic, environmental, and social impacts of development.

[3:53:13] Trustee Elliott: Just the way it looks. Well, comparing to the current 513 is to address the protection of views,

[3:53:20] Trustee Elliott: use scenic areas and distinctive features contributing to the overall visual as quality

[3:53:25] Trustee Elliott: and scenic value of the trust area so what do you think about aesthetic versus a more prescribed

[3:53:33] Trustee Elliott: i don't like that word aesthetic myself i think it's a little hard negative country

[3:53:39] Trustee Elliott: that makes it look pretty it kind of seems decorative honestly oh yeah so i prefer to

[3:53:46] Trustee Elliott: not use that word we could be a little bit more descriptive well what what if we just say that

[3:53:53] Trustee Elliott: 343 should um include some of the language of uh current 513 yes

[3:54:03] Trustee Elliott: before we're talking about the video yeah because it's talking about visual impact rather aesthetic

[3:54:09] Trustee Elliott: Aesthetic, which is very

[3:54:10] Trustee Elliott: non-declined.

[3:54:19] Voice 16: So I

[3:54:20] Trustee Elliott: would just copy and paste that thing on.

[3:54:24] Trustee Elliott: Let

[3:54:25] Voice 30: me be a little bit cautious that the current one does sound like it's okay to hide things.

[3:54:31] Voice 30: Hide ugly stuff is really part of the current policy statement.

[3:54:34] Voice 30: It could read to me because it says particularly those areas that have distinctive features

[3:54:38] Voice 30: or are highly visible.

[3:54:41] Voice 30: Screening, hide.

[3:54:44] Voice 30: So I think there's just some connotation of what are we really trying to get at, and I

[3:54:49] Voice 30: think it's okay not to, I think it's more what is the essence, the value, that's where the goal statements are there. If you haven't been clear enough on our goal statements of

[3:54:59] Trustee Elliott: what we're trying to achieve.

[3:55:00] Trustee Elliott: um so clarify language in three four three re aesthetic um to bring to turn to meanings

[3:55:16] Trustee Elliott: within current policy 513 and i'll send this to you lisa i'm just adding to the list um

[3:55:29] Trustee Elliott: um so to turn to me that's a bad word but um to address maybe

[3:55:38] Voice 8: address

[3:55:40] Voice 4: just use the meetings that

[3:55:42] Voice 4: were in the previous or in the well

[3:55:44] Voice 30: i think i would always be like i said cautious we should

[3:55:46] Voice 30: make sure we're using it today we understand what it means because i think those are some

[3:55:50] Voice 30: we have to implement this and this

[3:55:52] Trustee Elliott: needs to be implemented i'll just say reference current

[3:55:55] Trustee Elliott: What does it mean? How do you implement it in the future?

[3:55:59] Trustee Elliott: Is that what we're really meaning?

[3:56:02] Trustee Elliott: Or are we doing something else? Yes.

[3:56:04] Trustee Elliott: Okay. So then we get to transportation policies.

[3:56:07] Trustee Elliott: There's only two because, of course, we don't have jurisdiction over transportation.

[3:56:11] Trustee Elliott: But that's where some people suggested there should be a no bridge or no fixed link policy.

[3:56:18] Trustee Elliott: The original language, as you said, is no island should be developed.

[3:56:22] Trustee Elliott: But should that be a guiding principle or a directive?

[3:56:26] Trustee Elliott: And I think Jason had some advice on that.

[3:56:29] Trustee Elliott: So let's ask him.

[3:56:30] Trustee Elliott: Jason?

[3:56:30] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:56:31] Voice 30: can remember it being talked about at Trust Council at one point, but I can't remember what was said.

[3:56:37] Voice 4: If we want to get it back just as it was in the older version, is it guiding or is it a directive?

[3:56:42] Voice 1: Well, I believe in the current active version of the policy statement that it is a commitment of Trust Council,

[3:56:49] Voice 1: which, of course,

[3:56:49] Voice 1: have been removed, I believe, by Trust Council resolution from this version.

[3:56:54] Voice 1: And so this is the big challenge is trying to find an appropriate home for what could be termed advocacy type policies or advocacy type initiatives.

[3:57:04] Voice 1: And so I had suggested to Trustee Elliott that perhaps it become a guiding principle.

[3:57:07] Voice 1: But if it's not that, then I think it has to be an advisory policy.

[3:57:11] Voice 1: But even in that, the construction of a fixed link between any of the islands will ultimately have very little to do with the local trust committee aside and your land use planning authorities and more to do with your political involvement in the discussion and the question, right?

[3:57:32] Voice 1: Right. Like if if the province decides it wants to build a tunnel, if the province decides to want it wants to build a bridge, it is not going to be particularly concerned, I think, whether or not the area where the footings come down is zoned for a bridge.

[3:57:44] Voice 1: I think they will, you know, deem it to be in the provincial interest.

[3:57:49] Trustee Elliott: We certainly

[3:57:50] Voice 4: used this policy in 2015 and in 2008 and in 1996.

[3:57:58] Voice 4: We've used it every time that they come up with that stupid idea.

[3:58:03] Voice 1: Yeah, so I'm not saying that there is not symbolic or political value in it being there, because if it's there, then it gives you something to rely on when this conversation comes around again.

[3:58:13] Voice 1: And

[3:58:14] Trustee Elliott: so my suggestion for these four issues that are, let's say, longstanding advocacy priorities of violence trust spanning many terms is that we have a section on advocacy areas to other levels of government on longstanding trust counsel priorities.

[3:58:45] Trustee Elliott: Such as the elimination of clear-cut logging of old-growth forest, opposition to anchorages in the Salish Sea, stronger tools for the protection of biodiversity, and no fixed links.

[3:58:57] Trustee Elliott: And those are all advocacies to uphold the mandate to trust.

[3:59:01] Trustee Elliott: trust so we could say that either guiding principles be added that support advocacy

[3:59:08] Trustee Elliott: in those areas or a new section be created that's something like the similar the commitments to trust

[3:59:14] Trustee Elliott: council which means we're going to revisit you know a previous version um but i wanted to bring

[3:59:20] Trustee Elliott: that to light that it seems to be missing like the political what does island's trust stand for

[3:59:26] Trustee Elliott: um over time um because i do think that's missing like it's it is missing it shows that like the way

[3:59:35] Trustee Elliott: that you implement the islands trust mandate is through your official community plans which is

[3:59:41] Trustee Elliott: you know the policies are for that purpose but i think we're missing but the way you do your work

[3:59:47] Trustee Elliott: on council for example like

[3:59:49] Voice 4: for just for example the conversations we've had about bc ferries

[3:59:52] Voice 4: council yeah that's advocacy work and that's based on sometimes often on what

[4:00:00] Voice 4: what we say in the trust policy statement about advocacy yeah

[4:00:03] Trustee Elliott: so do you have any advice jason on

[4:00:07] Trustee Elliott: how we could word and you've got my draft motion i trust that you know that the gabriel local trust

[4:00:14] Trustee Elliott: committee recommends proceeds subject to the following recommendations should we say that

[4:00:19] Trustee Elliott: guiding principles include advocacy measures on long-standing trust council priorities

[4:00:26] Trustee Elliott: priorities on the following topics, or that a section be created about commitments to Trust

[4:00:31] Trustee Elliott: Council to continue to advocate for, you know, important priorities? Like, do you have any advice

[4:00:38] Trustee Elliott: on how to best phrase that?

[4:00:41] Voice 1: I do not at present. You know, my one of my interests is that in

[4:00:49] Voice 1: the right policies are in the right places in the document, right? Like is the heading under which

[4:00:54] Voice 1: they live the correct place for it to be and we are not i mean i'm relatively wedded to the

[4:01:01] Voice 1: current structure but that does not preclude us from adding a section if if it is in trust

[4:01:07] Voice 1: council's interest about advocacy type policies or commitments of trust councillor or something

[4:01:12] Voice 1: similar to those overarching commitments that exist within the the current policy statement

[4:01:18] Voice 1: that we have so whether it best makes sense as a as a guiding principle or whether it's better as

[4:01:23] Voice 1: a standalone section. I don't have

[4:01:28] Voice 30: any

[4:01:29] Voice 1: concrete advice for you.

[4:01:31] Voice 1: And

[4:01:31] Voice 30: I don't think you have to, again, you can just say consider how to add this through

[4:01:36] Voice 30: a mechanism. We've written them

[4:01:39] Trustee Elliott: as guiding principles

[4:01:40] Voice 4: and if council decides they don't

[4:01:42] Voice 4: want them at all or they want them and they love them but they'll change the name and whatever,

[4:01:46] Voice 4: that's fine. But I think they can all be stated as guiding principles that we would like to see

[4:01:52] Voice 4: in the current in the draft so

[4:01:55] Trustee Elliott: so the language would be consider adding a new section

[4:01:58] Trustee Elliott: related to and i'll send this to you lisa long-standing trust council priorities

[4:02:05] Trustee Elliott: um that relate to advocacy upholding the trust mandate

[4:02:14] Trustee Elliott: um well a new section it's gonna be oh my gosh going back a new section it is but there's

[4:02:24] Trustee Elliott: enough of it to go back um such as commitments of trust just cancel that um list long-standing

[4:02:38] Trustee Elliott: and we can debate about what those priorities are long-standing stress trust council priorities

[4:02:43] Trustee Elliott: such as i think you can just do a such as there

[4:02:46] Voice 30: because the oil spills it could be this it could

[4:02:48] Voice 30: be that there's

[4:02:49] Trustee Elliott: a long list

[4:02:49] Voice 30: of uh well

[4:02:51] Trustee Elliott: priorities are advocacy positions because it's like it's not

[4:02:55] Trustee Elliott: necessarily a priority of council that there would be no fixed link it's an advocacy it's a

[4:02:59] Trustee Elliott: you know it used to be a commitment of council well i'm saying such as commitments of trust

[4:03:06] Trustee Elliott: council that list long-standing trust council positions advocacy positions sure we can say

[4:03:18] Trustee Elliott: that we can change it such as and then i'm going to no fixed links then i'll just add those as a

[4:03:27] Trustee Elliott: a list

[4:03:27] Voice 9: elimination

[4:03:33] Trustee Elliott: opposition anchorages stronger tools for the protection of biodiversity is that

[4:03:38] Trustee Elliott: a good enough list yeah i think you have such as you just need some okay yeah and i think we need

[4:03:44] Trustee Elliott: to say something about the 30 protection that's going to be i want that as a guiding principle

[4:03:49] Trustee Elliott: okay and i think that climate change as well so climate change stays guiding principle 30

[4:03:55] Trustee Elliott: yeah and then the new section would have those advocacy positions yeah great almost done um

[4:04:04] Trustee Elliott: and then uh so question about fresh water storage uh last item t here fresh water

[4:04:12] Trustee Elliott: storage should be a directed policy so that's three five seven um where

[4:04:20] Voice 8: did that go yeah

[4:04:27] Trustee Elliott: so why did this land as an advisory policy jason do you remember um

[4:04:37] Voice 1: can we i can't remember what

[4:04:40] Voice 1: the trust council conversation was on the topic but off the top of my head i mean there are

[4:04:46] Voice 1: plenty of people on the island i mean there are many people who don't have sufficient water but

[4:04:49] Voice 1: there are plenty of people who do if they happen to be serviced by a community water system that

[4:04:53] Voice 1: has an abundant groundwater source or a relatively abundant freshwater source so i guess it depends

[4:04:57] Voice 1: ends um oh i see so the policy does actually specify where the quality or quantity of

[4:05:04] Voice 1: groundwater is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable yeah

[4:05:08] Trustee Elliott: i just think it could be

[4:05:09] Trustee Elliott: directives like why not well

[4:05:12] Voice 1: that will imply that some sort of effort is going to be undertaken

[4:05:17] Voice 1: to identify the area where where this rule should apply right if it's if it's directive it means

[4:05:26] Voice 1: that somewhere in your land use bylaw you're going to have a map and that map is going to show the

[4:05:31] Voice 1: the areas where people are required to have

[4:05:33] Voice 19: freshwater storage.

[4:05:37] Voice 1: And so I don't know the state of our current mapping for all of the

[4:05:40] Voice 1: islands. I know that on Saturna Island, for example,

[4:05:42] Voice 1: East Point does have such a mapped area in their land use bylaw and a

[4:05:47] Voice 1: requirement that they do install a cistern for new development in that,

[4:05:50] Voice 1: in that mapped area.

[4:05:52] Voice 30: I mean, this is, this is where it gets, I mean,

[4:05:54] Voice 30: I know some things we run up against legislative authority,

[4:05:57] Voice 30: authority. But to me, whether you're on a water system well or not, you know, if you've got a

[4:06:06] Voice 30: garden, that garden should be watered from rainwater collection systems and other things,

[4:06:11] Voice 30: not water that could be going to a potable use. So, I mean, I think it's, you know, it's

[4:06:19] Voice 30: strengthening that position. I know it's, somebody's lucky they had about 20 gallon a minute

[4:06:25] Voice 30: it well and but does that mean they should waste it we we want to be implementing more of a

[4:06:33] Voice 30: conservation model and maybe that's maybe that's what's missing here is really thriving that

[4:06:40] Voice 30: conservation of water

[4:06:42] Trustee Elliott: no matter how no matter yeah like maybe fresh water storage and live on

[4:06:46] Trustee Elliott: islands we should not just

[4:06:47] Trustee Elliott: in the compromised areas yeah yes and every test area there wouldn't

[4:06:53] Trustee Elliott: be anything like this where groundwater supplies are known to be a poor quality or quantity so if

[4:07:00] Trustee Elliott: you have the mapping if it is known that groundwater is a poor quality and quantity you can mandate

[4:07:06] Trustee Elliott: that there be freshwater catchment that would be direct as said yeah but i'm trying to make

[4:07:12] Trustee Elliott: the policy directive but if

[4:07:15] Voice 9: it is known

[4:07:15] Trustee Elliott: that's the condition that the mapping exists if it's

[4:07:19] Trustee Elliott: not known you can't mandate it but then you keep something you could also have an advisory policy

[4:07:23] Trustee Elliott: that for just for

[4:07:25] Trustee Elliott: us conservation what trustee

[4:07:26] Voice 4: patrick is talking about it doesn't matter how

[4:07:28] Voice 4: much water you have um everyone should be encouraged to well

[4:07:32] Trustee Elliott: an advisor so an advisory

[4:07:33] Trustee Elliott: policy around storage sure keep that that all residents be encouraged to um have sufficient

[4:07:41] Trustee Elliott: ground or fresh water storage yeah and then a directive policy uh-huh

[4:07:46] Trustee Elliott: yeah so okay this

[4:07:48] Trustee Elliott: This

[4:07:48] Voice 4: basically splits into two.

[4:07:49] Voice 4: One becomes advisory and one becomes...

[4:07:53] Trustee Elliott: So our directive policy on freshwater storage

[4:08:02] Trustee Elliott: with a focus on requiring rainwater catchment.

[4:08:11] Trustee Elliott: Well, it's freshwater storage.

[4:08:13] Trustee Elliott: Does it say rainwater catchment?

[4:08:15] Trustee Elliott: It could be freshwater storage through swales and ponds too.

[4:08:18] Trustee Elliott: Freshwater storage.

[4:08:19] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, it says freshwater storage.

[4:08:20] Trustee Elliott: I don't know why I said rainwater catchment.

[4:08:22] Trustee Elliott: focus on um requiring fresh water storage where groundwater supplies are known to be of quality

[4:08:34] Trustee Elliott: or quantity does that

[4:08:36] Voice 30: work and then you don't have the wording and then you could just say

[4:08:38] Voice 30: add an advisory policy on conservation yeah and you don't need to specify it i don't think

[4:08:46] Voice 30: yeah water conservation yeah and

[4:08:50] Trustee Elliott: storage okay that's great so added directive policy on

[4:08:55] Trustee Elliott: freshwater storage with a focus on requiring freshwater storage where groundwater supplies

[4:08:59] Trustee Elliott: are known to be of poor quality or quantity add advisory policy on freshwater conservation and

[4:09:04] Trustee Elliott: storage generally whatever great um i didn't know what this one meant that came from

[4:09:13] Trustee Elliott: nancy heatherton pierce balance the needs of farmers and the needs of adjacent property owners

[4:09:18] Trustee Elliott: or so five three twelve um water mostly yeah i mean our control over water is extremely limited

[4:09:30] Trustee Elliott: so five through twelve agriculture and adjacent properties minimize any adverse impacts of land

[4:09:35] Trustee Elliott: uses from properties adjacent to agricultural lands there's also runoff runoff yeah i don't

[4:09:43] Trustee Elliott: even know how you have anything to correct that i mean if you're going to have a large farm that

[4:09:50] Trustee Elliott: we already have something like a runoff and stuff like that 20 cows you should have a management

[4:09:56] Trustee Elliott: system for the manure but you're not do we is there the potential to regulate

[4:10:03] Voice 8: that i mean this

[4:10:05] Voice 1: this uh is the inverse of what you just described trustee elliott which is this is um protect

[4:10:11] Voice 1: agricultural land from adjacent land uses as opposed to protect adjacent land uses from

[4:10:16] Voice 1: agricultural impact. Oh, right.

[4:10:21] Voice 4: Yeah. It works both ways. You can be right next to a farm and

[4:10:26] Voice 4: have really bad runoff. Absolutely.

[4:10:30] Voice 4: Yeah. Especially with now, when you have compacted

[4:10:33] Voice 4: land from lots of cows and

[4:10:34] Trustee Elliott: horses, stopping the land down and then it rains really heavily and

[4:10:37] Trustee Elliott: then it goes

[4:10:38] Voice 4: into your well because you don't have a proper wellhead.

[4:10:41] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. So I didn't,

[4:10:42] Trustee Elliott: this letter writer, you know, it came from the minutes of last meeting. So I can't remember

[4:10:49] Trustee Elliott: in the conversation exactly um and then may i still get lots of shots uh here going forward

[4:10:54] Trustee Elliott: i mean as trustees so yeah if you really want that please clarify and then finally the definition

[4:11:01] Trustee Elliott: of environment should be referred to defining this refined should be defined as referring to

[4:11:07] Trustee Elliott: the natural environment um several many respondents wrote about this i think it's totally fair um so

[4:11:14] Trustee Elliott: So I would suggest that we add environment back in

[4:11:20] Trustee Elliott: with a suitable definition that defines it

[4:11:22] Trustee Elliott: as the natural environment.

[4:11:23] Trustee Elliott: I have no problem with that.

[4:11:25] Voice 4: I had to kind of look at all the work it took

[4:11:27] Voice 4: to get it out of there.

[4:11:30] Voice 4: Well,

[4:11:30] Trustee Elliott: because that definition was terrible.

[4:11:33] Trustee Elliott: I know.

[4:11:34] Trustee Elliott: So you and I both take that out because it wasn't...

[4:11:37] Trustee Elliott: Because it didn't work.

[4:11:38] Trustee Elliott: It was not working.

[4:11:39] Trustee Elliott: But people want definitions.

[4:11:41] Trustee Elliott: I think I understand what the environment means.

[4:11:43] Trustee Elliott: but apparently we need to define a unanimous vote you know that's true um so a list oh yeah and then

[4:11:52] Trustee Elliott: finally for the motions would be and then but i wanted to talk about the directive policies

[4:12:03] Trustee Elliott: related to forests oh yeah that was the one thing i didn't cover in my notes three five

[4:12:08] Trustee Elliott: 358 to 3510 and this is back to the conversation with um galt and the other conservancies yeah

[4:12:20] Trustee Elliott: 358 forest policy so jason we've had a bit back and forth about this uh forest lands for

[4:12:30] Trustee Elliott: sustainable management forest lands and road systems forest lands and wildfire risk

[4:12:34] Trustee Elliott: um i'm comfortable with the policies because i think they're within our jurisdiction

[4:12:47] Trustee Elliott: but i would like to add i don't know if we can but so that forest harvesting activities are

[4:12:57] Trustee Elliott: limited to sustainable regenerative and small scale so can we do that

[4:13:06] Trustee Elliott: like because we're saying sustainable forest management practices but all the islands trust

[4:13:13] Trustee Elliott: can do is say that's the size you know here's the maximum minimum size that you can divide that

[4:13:20] Trustee Elliott: parcel in order to support sustainable forest management practices but the two do not equate

[4:13:25] Trustee Elliott: just because you have a

[4:13:26] Trustee Elliott: large forest of land doesn't mean you're going to be a sustainable

[4:13:29] Trustee Elliott: forester no you can you can clear cut 20 acres and it goes out so you can have a giant clear

[4:13:34] Voice 4: as

[4:13:35] Trustee Elliott: opposed to a smaller clear cut so i actually don't think that policy is great because it

[4:13:41] Trustee Elliott: doesn't co-relate like the purpose the action that we're saying is take maintain large land

[4:13:48] Trustee Elliott: holdings in order to do this activity but it's just it it's not

[4:13:55] Voice 4: going to guarantee it says that

[4:13:56] Trustee Elliott: are compatible but well it's a directive policy i guess we can't direct landowners

[4:14:03] Trustee Elliott: I know people want more protection for forest lands like that's why we're hearing so much

[4:14:12] Trustee Elliott: about forests and terrestrial ecosystems but we don't regulate forestry practices we just don't

[4:14:21] Trustee Elliott: um is there room for an advisory policy that there should be supportive policies related to

[4:14:30] Trustee Elliott: encourage sustainable regenerative and small-scale harvesting activities?

[4:14:38] Trustee Elliott: What's the point? I don't know.

[4:14:41] Trustee Elliott: Well, there

[4:14:43] Voice 4: may be a point in the future where at some point,

[4:14:46] Voice 4: who knows, a very brave Trust Council may approach the Ministry and say we need to have

[4:14:51] Voice 4: some authority over tree cutting. We did. That's true. I know. But it could happen again.

[4:14:58] Voice 4: so it wouldn't hurt to have something in the trust policy

[4:15:03] Trustee Elliott: statement that that is our desire

[4:15:05] Trustee Elliott: to have some authority over that would be back to the advocacy one that you just added

[4:15:11] Trustee Elliott: that's an that's an advocacy you know long-term advocacy so an advisory policy that

[4:15:20] Trustee Elliott: oh gosh can you regulate no not

[4:15:25] Voice 9: currently okay no

[4:15:28] Voice 1: i think if you if if the local trust

[4:15:30] Voice 1: committee or trust council wants to talk about how people are cutting down trees on their land

[4:15:36] Voice 1: outside of a development permit you know like a development permit area is essentially the

[4:15:42] Voice 1: mechanism by which you can protect certain certain areas using using the tools that you have in your

[4:15:48] Voice 1: authority if you want to talk about how people are cutting down trees outside of a development

[4:15:52] Voice 1: permit area you have very limited authority and so i think um i don't want to say anything you do

[4:16:00] Voice 1: but but you can make symbolic statements about what you would like to discourage or the type

[4:16:05] Voice 1: of activities you would like to encourage but um as i think we've

[4:16:10] Voice 1: been as we've been told by

[4:16:11] Voice 1: by uh legal counsel over the years that removing trees is not a use that a local trust committee

[4:16:21] Voice 1: regulates

[4:16:21] Voice 30: so you can either add back

[4:16:22] Voice 30: to your advocating policy or something we wanted that

[4:16:25] Voice 30: added such as you could either put

[4:16:28] Trustee Elliott: it in there well it's it's it's limiting clear cutting but

[4:16:32] Trustee Elliott: what i'm thinking is we don't have something on community forests so i mean the the local

[4:16:39] Trustee Elliott: trust committee can create a zone for a community forest in which the activities are you know

[4:16:44] Trustee Elliott: regenerative forestry regenerative forestry yep that would be like an advisory exactly so what

[4:16:51] Trustee Elliott: What I'm thinking is an advisory policy with a community forestry zone or a community forestry

[4:17:00] Trustee Elliott: intent to support sustainable, regenerative, and small-scale forestry.

[4:17:05] Trustee Elliott: Yes, because if you go to Cortez Island, that's exactly what they've done.

[4:17:11] Trustee Elliott: Does that sound

[4:17:12] Trustee Elliott: reasonable, Jason?

[4:17:16] Voice 1: Yes, I think that sounds reasonable, Trustee Elliott.

[4:17:19] Voice 1: What these advisory policies do is they are a signal to the local trust committee about issues that trust councillors deem to be important and that if there's an opportunity for a local trust committee to support in some way, whether it's just with a letter, you know, like if a local community forestry organization is trying to get something off the ground,

[4:17:43] Voice 1: having an advisory policy that demonstrates general trust council support will enable your

[4:17:48] Voice 1: local trust committee to write that letter of support if that's what you want to do or if

[4:17:51] Voice 1: they're putting in a grant application you can help support that grant application through a letter or

[4:17:55] Voice 1: that type of that type of activity or if they need to rezone a property to do something that

[4:18:02] Voice 1: will enable that use to happen then having an advisory policy gives you a little more of a

[4:18:07] Voice 1: green light that that's something that's in line with trust council's interest but

[4:18:11] Trustee Elliott: i'm sorry but

[4:18:12] Trustee Elliott: couldn't you like say we're going through an ocb review could we not designate a zone you know

[4:18:18] Trustee Elliott: just imagine the best case scenario community forestry and somebody says i want to rezone my

[4:18:24] Trustee Elliott: property for forestry these are the activities that are allowed in it and i'm willing to sign

[4:18:32] Trustee Elliott: a covenant that you know i will take no more than x number of trees uh this diameter per

[4:18:40] Trustee Elliott: per year like there's a voluntary um there's a way to to manage that but it's in your ocp

[4:18:47] Trustee Elliott: as a zone but it could be encouraged by the trust policy i think we should sorry we don't

[4:18:53] Voice 30: we don't have to work the issue that's what jason's for yeah just have the intent of what

[4:18:59] Voice 30: you're trying to do we know finally

[4:19:01] Trustee Elliott: that a framework for a model develop implementation

[4:19:04] Trustee Elliott: implementation plan be developed to, as part of the draft policy statement, or just a model

[4:19:13] Trustee Elliott: implementation plan, or a, an implementation plan, just an implementation plan, that implementation

[4:19:21] Trustee Elliott: plan be developed as part of the policy statement? That's a big ask. Are we wanting to do that?

[4:19:28] Trustee Elliott: Well, I

[4:19:28] Voice 30: told you, I don't even know, I've had, we've all had many, poor Jason's talked to 26 trustees 200 times each.

[4:19:41] Voice 30: Possibility, I was looking to make sure we have an amendment process.

[4:19:44] Voice 30: How do we amend this thing?

[4:19:45] Voice 30: Because there could be other things that we could find.

[4:19:47] Voice 30: So we have an amendment process.

[4:19:49] Voice 30: If we can't get an implementation plan completely done now, that it should be then amended to the policy statement.

[4:19:58] Voice 30: so that it doesn't exist outside of the policies.

[4:20:01] Voice 30: I think that's what we don't want to see

[4:20:03] Voice 30: an implementation in a policy statement.

[4:20:05] Voice 30: The two need to be together.

[4:20:07] Voice 30: So if we had an amendment process built into the thing

[4:20:12] Voice 30: and we commit to, if we can,

[4:20:14] Voice 30: I think ideally it'd be nice to have

[4:20:16] Voice 30: an implementation plan done.

[4:20:17] Voice 30: But if it can't be, then it could be amended,

[4:20:21] Voice 30: not amended, amended and added later.

[4:20:25] Voice 30: So

[4:20:25] Trustee Elliott: that's part of the document.

[4:20:27] Trustee Elliott: not so what's the suggested wording like i mean what i was thinking is a framework

[4:20:33] Trustee Elliott: for the implementation plan would be developed as part of the drafting process and i think

[4:20:40] Trustee Elliott: that's essentially what we kind of have in here so we have a frame very high level framework

[4:20:48] Trustee Elliott: is

[4:20:48] Voice 30: what's in here it's just not it's a commitment to get it done later

[4:20:53] Voice 3: so

[4:20:55] Trustee Elliott: yeah i mean

[4:20:57] Trustee Elliott: I think I feel strongly about it because it's um we've heard from Bowen municipality that um

[4:21:09] Trustee Elliott: and I think the argument is valid that without an implementation plan you have um different

[4:21:17] Trustee Elliott: political vulnerabilities depending on who's on council with how to interpret the policies

[4:21:26] Trustee Elliott: Implementing is part of the, like, how is it done, what are the strengths of each policy, what's the evaluation criteria.

[4:21:36] Trustee Elliott: So I think we're hearing that it's necessary. Does the Gabriela Local Trust Committee want to recommend it? I mean, the recommendations are coming from Bowen already.

[4:21:46] Trustee Elliott: Yeah,

[4:21:46] Voice 30: they essentially have a framework here, which is the policy statement may guide the development of, you could even say will guide the development

[4:21:53] Voice 22: of, I mean

[4:21:54] Voice 30: you could strengthen it.

[4:21:55] Voice 22: And

[4:21:56] Voice 30: it could say that it will be then created and appended to the document if it's not completed miraculously in two months.

[4:22:07] Voice 4: So no fixed lanes.

[4:22:09] Voice 4: I agree that this could be will guide.

[4:22:10] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, not may guide, will guide.

[4:22:16] Trustee Elliott: if

[4:22:16] Voice 30: this is the framework

[4:22:18] Voice 30: if we agree these are the elements

[4:22:21] Voice 30: there's ways

[4:22:22] Voice 30: I mean that's wording, again that's not words method

[4:22:24] Voice 30: I mean it's generally if we believe

[4:22:26] Voice 30: it should be

[4:22:27] Voice 30: and recognize time

[4:22:30] Voice 30: is a challenge

[4:22:32] Voice 30: so it could be appended in the future

[4:22:34] Voice 30: amended

[4:22:35] Voice 30: and added in the future

[4:22:37] Trustee Elliott: Jason, Lisa

[4:22:40] Trustee Elliott: it's off

[4:22:42] Trustee Elliott: Okay. I have a

[4:22:43] Voice 4: question for you, Jason, in the meanwhile. Is this the part, the implementation

[4:22:48] Voice 4: part, where we get to get rid of that word only when

[4:22:51] Trustee Elliott: we have our directives checklist?

[4:22:55] Trustee Elliott: Oh, yes.

[4:22:58] Voice 1: Yeah, it certainly could be. I don't know what we're going to call it yet,

[4:23:03] Voice 1: but I think that Trust Council can expect as part of implementation, if it's the expectation that

[4:23:10] Voice 1: executive committee is still going to review local bylaws for policy

[4:23:14] Voice 1: statement consistency that

[4:23:15] Voice 1: there's going to be some sort of vehicle that they will use to do that and currently that thing is

[4:23:21] Voice 1: called the director's only checklist but we don't have to call it the director there's nothing that

[4:23:25] Voice 1: says what it needs to be called it

[4:23:26] Voice 30: just needs to be references a checklist at this point i think

[4:23:30] Voice 30: just there needs to be a mechanism to say and then do you mean okay did

[4:23:35] Trustee Elliott: we cover everything

[4:23:36] Trustee Elliott: So I added climate change. Did I not?

[4:23:42] Trustee Elliott: You added that for one of the,

[4:23:44] Voice 4: what do we call it?

[4:23:47] Trustee Elliott: So yeah, 345. This came in late, and I think the wording is good.

[4:23:53] Trustee Elliott: So Jason, you'll have the latest version.

[4:23:57] Trustee Elliott: So climate change mitigation adaptation policy drafted to use the language

[4:24:05] Trustee Elliott: would like consider nature-based solutions um you know i i think it's i think it's helpful the

[4:24:15] Trustee Elliott: the writer added examples rather than just nature-based like in addition to nature-based

[4:24:24] Trustee Elliott: solutions so the wording is the same but then the examples are such as preservation of forests

[4:24:29] Trustee Elliott: preservation of natural wetlands and concentration of residential density within walking distance of

[4:24:34] Trustee Elliott: ferries and commercial areas and promote both human and nature-based solutions to minimize

[4:24:39] Trustee Elliott: greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to climate change related vulnerabilities i really do think

[4:24:44] Trustee Elliott: that makes it stronger but is it fettering the discretion of the ltc to have specific examples

[4:24:55] Trustee Elliott: and should we have such as but not limited to you know well it says consider it just says

[4:25:01] Trustee Elliott: consider it's a guiding principle no no that's the current language is computer he's saying

[4:25:06] Trustee Elliott: change it to this okay i was going to say consider and then have all this no he

[4:25:12] Trustee Elliott: he thinks the

[4:25:12] Trustee Elliott: language is very

[4:25:13] Trustee Elliott: well he's right it is weak so implement planning and land use money which i

[4:25:18] Trustee Elliott: agree like yeah yeah yeah i do how you do it that is the power of the policy so that's that's

[4:25:26] Trustee Elliott: wordsmithing and you're you've already got your document you want to say principle it's in there

[4:25:30] Trustee Elliott: Are you ready? And do you have the language that goes in the front for the...

[4:25:35] Trustee Elliott: Oh, I think it's all there.

[4:25:36] Trustee Elliott: Okay, it's all there. So are you going to read this entire thing?

[4:25:40] Trustee Elliott: Focus. Yeah, read it.

[4:25:42] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[4:25:43] Trustee Elliott: Unless you want to.

[4:25:45] Trustee Elliott: Well, I could read the one about the fixed link.

[4:25:47] Trustee Elliott: You can read

[4:25:50] Voice 30: it in unison, but that'd be silly.

[4:25:51] Trustee Elliott: Why don't you start?

[4:25:53] Trustee Elliott: Oh, no, we can't do one at a time.

[4:25:55] Trustee Elliott: You read it. I don't care for your page.

[4:25:58] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:25:59] Voice 4: move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee recommend to the Islands Trust Council

[4:26:03] Voice 4: that proposed bylaw number 183 proceed subject to the following recommendations.

[4:26:10] Voice 4: A new guiding principle related to climate change adaptation and mitigation be added.

[4:26:18] Voice 4: A new guiding principle related to protecting a minimum of 30% of the land and waters in the

[4:26:23] Voice 4: planning areas of each local trust area be added or consider adding a new section such as commitments

[4:26:31] Voice 4: of trust council that list long-standing trust council advocacy positions such as no fixed links

[4:26:40] Voice 4: between vancouver island and the mainland and the islands in the trust area notwithstanding the

[4:26:46] Voice 4: bridge connecting north and south pender the elimination of clear-cut logging of old growth

[4:26:52] Voice 4: forests, opposition to anchorages in the Salish Sea, and stronger tools for protection of

[4:26:59] Voice 4: biodiversity. Advisory policy 3.1.3 in parentheses land back to clarify or better define amenity

[4:27:12] Voice 4: contributions. Amend draft policy 3.4.5 with some language to include language similar to the

[4:27:21] Voice 5: the following. Implement planning and land use management strategies such as preservation of

[4:27:26] Voice 5: forests, preservation of natural

[4:27:28] Voice 4: wetlands, and concentrating residential density within walking

[4:27:32] Voice 4: distance of transit routes and amenity areas, and promote both human and nature-based solutions

[4:27:39] Voice 4: to minimize greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to climate change-related vulnerabilities.

[4:27:45] Voice 4: vulnerabilities. Stronger language in Rule 4 about the purpose being limiting negative

[4:27:52] Voice 4: impact to the natural environment. Clarify language in 3.4.3 re-aesthetic and refer to

[4:28:01] Voice 4: the current policy 5.1

[4:28:03] Voice 4: .3. Add directive policy on freshwater storage with a focus on requiring

[4:28:10] Voice 4: freshwater storage where groundwater supplies are known to be of poor quality or quantity.

[4:28:16] Voice 4: add advisory policy on freshwater conservation and storage, advisory policy that support the

[4:28:24] Voice 4: creation of community forests to support sustainable, regenerative, and small-scale

[4:28:29] Voice 4: forest harvesting activities, and that an implementation plan be developed as part of

[4:28:36] Voice 4: the policy statement.

[4:28:38] Voice 11: Just a second, we have a question.

[4:28:41] Voice 20: um

[4:28:43] Voice 11: yes you could share trustee yates on a bullet point three consider adding a new section such as

[4:28:54] Voice 11: the trust council that this long-standing trust council has the positions you added a

[4:29:00] Voice 11: strategy clause

[4:29:04] Trustee Elliott: yeah it's because that was part of the original um what did it just read out yeah fixed links

[4:29:10] Trustee Elliott: between vancouver island i think you said the mainland

[4:29:13] Trustee Elliott: yeah and the islands in the trust area

[4:29:17] Trustee Elliott: notwithstanding the bridge connecting north and south pender islands thank you yeah yeah

[4:29:29] Voice 8: excellent very

[4:29:34] Trustee Elliott: good all right everyone's got everything we're clear is there a second

[4:29:38] Trustee Elliott: seconded by Trustee Elliot.

[4:29:40] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[4:29:44] Trustee Elliott: Thank you to the Gabriela community

[4:29:47] Trustee Elliott: for all of your comments.

[4:29:48] Trustee Elliott: It has been very helpful

[4:29:49] Trustee Elliott: and hopefully this will make it stronger,

[4:29:52] Trustee Elliott: but there is still more runway to go.

[4:29:56] Trustee Elliott: So yes, any further discussion?

[4:29:59] Trustee Elliott: Many.

[4:30:00] Voice 30: and

[4:30:00] Voice 4: many conversations, so thank you, everyone.

[4:30:03] Voice 30: All

[4:30:03] Trustee Elliott: right, then I'll call the vote.

[4:30:04] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[4:30:06] Trustee Elliott: And that carries.

[4:30:08] Trustee Elliott: So one more motion related to it.

[4:30:11] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[4:30:11] Trustee Elliott: And I don't know if this is appropriate,

[4:30:13] Trustee Elliott: so it's fine if you don't,

[4:30:14] Trustee Elliott: but I wanted to raise it for discussion

[4:30:16] Trustee Elliott: because we have had so much,

[4:30:18] Trustee Elliott: anyway, I'll just read it.

[4:30:19] Trustee Elliott: That the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[4:30:21] Trustee Elliott: considers that policies and principles

[4:30:23] Trustee Elliott: relating to Trust Council's Reconciliation Committee

[4:30:26] Trustee Elliott: and working toward collaborative governance

[4:30:28] Trustee Elliott: with Indigenous governing bodies, bracket, guiding principles 2.11, 2.212, reconciliation

[4:30:36] Trustee Elliott: principles and cooperation principle 233, close bracket, are within the Islands Trust

[4:30:42] Trustee Elliott: mandate jurisdiction and the interests of Trust Council to advance.

[4:30:46] Trustee Elliott: It's a statement that would express whether we're comfortable with it or not.

[4:30:52] Trustee Elliott: we've heard a lot from community members about discomfort but we've all been in

[4:31:00] Trustee Elliott: the meetings and the closed meetings with legal counsel and received advice

[4:31:04] Trustee Elliott: so I just wanted to sort of see if we wanted to put that on the record about a

[4:31:10] Trustee Elliott: general statement of support or not it's at the bottom of that one and if we

[4:31:14] Trustee Elliott: don't want to, that's fine, too. It's there. So many things

[4:31:31] Voice 15: here.

[4:31:38] Voice 16: Your decisions. Oh,

[4:31:42] Voice 4: I totally agree with this. Yes.

[4:31:44] Voice 4: And I did read it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the second. I will

[4:31:48] Voice 4: happily second that. Okay. But did

[4:31:51] Trustee Elliott: you just read it? I read it.

[4:31:52] Voice 30: Yes, you're making the motion. And then trustee is seconding

[4:31:56] Voice 30: motion you have captured the motion all right is there uh any discussion that then i'll call

[4:32:04] Voice 30: the vote all those in favor and that carries any other business on the referral no all right

[4:32:10] Voice 30: onwards and upwards to trust counsel on this one so thank you very much uh jason omens for

[4:32:18] Trustee Elliott: being with us today thank you jason thank

[4:32:21] Voice 1: you gabriel the trustees bye-bye bye

[4:32:23] Trustee Elliott: well i'm probably

[4:32:25] Trustee Elliott: going to be glad to not have a zillion emails from you guys are how do we get

[4:32:32] Trustee Elliott: sure note to the

[4:32:34] Trustee Elliott: community though can we just say please fill out the survey please write to islands fit 2050 at

[4:32:39] Trustee Elliott: islandstrust.bc.ca um your individual voices do matter and you might have just the key and the

[4:32:45] Trustee Elliott: right wording for one of those policies that we desperately need so please do and we have the

[4:32:51] Trustee Elliott: most patient staff on the planet well maybe not anymore all right let's keep moving on here guys

[4:32:59] Trustee Elliott: we're

[4:33:00] Voice 30: into the staff reporting um section 13.1 is uh the gabriel island local trust committee

[4:33:06] Voice 30: meeting procedure repeal bylaw number three two three request for decision on page one hundred

[4:33:12] Voice 30: and 4.

[4:33:17] Voice 3: I move

[4:33:18] Voice 3: that

[4:33:18] Trustee Elliott: the

[4:33:23] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[4:33:24] Trustee Elliott: bylaw 323

[4:33:26] Trustee Elliott: cited as Gabriel Island Local Trust

[4:33:28] Trustee Elliott: Committee meeting procedures repeal bylaw

[4:33:30] Trustee Elliott: number 323-2025

[4:33:32] Trustee Elliott: be adopted. I'll second that.

[4:33:35] Voice 30: Seconded by Trustee Yates.

[4:33:37] Voice 30: Any discussion? All the vote.

[4:33:39] Voice 30: All those in favor? That's adopted.

[4:33:41] Voice 30: And carried.

[4:33:43] Voice 30: Okay. The next item we have here is 13.3, which is applications report from January 15, 2026. Are there any questions on the

[4:33:51] Trustee Elliott: applications?

[4:33:55] Voice 9: Go

[4:33:55] Trustee Elliott: ahead, Trustee Yates.

[4:33:56] Trustee Elliott: For Planner Baugh, I always bring this up. Those three that are on the strand sort of fall

[4:34:04] Voice 4: together. Sometimes I read where they're at, and I'm still not quite sure where they're at.

[4:34:12] Voice 22: under

[4:34:13] Voice 4: review, waiting for submittals, and then local trust committee.

[4:34:26] Voice 4: So the three that, all three that are on page 108.

[4:34:36] Voice 26: So the one, the two of them, after I reach out to the planner, sign to them, to send

[4:34:45] Voice 26: an update or to give you an update um the one i'm assigned to it it is that um

[4:34:52] Voice 26: fairly generous satisfaction give you probably a little more detail to say that we're just

[4:34:56] Voice 26: waiting for information from the applicant um at some point we'll probably want to bring it

[4:35:03] Voice 26: forward and recommend that if there's no progress made on it that we close the file

[4:35:08] Voice 26: um but but at this point we're just waiting for them to provide some more information before

[4:35:14] Voice 19: proceed

[4:35:14] Voice 16: thank you

[4:35:20] Trustee Elliott: and I had a question on the first one the top of page 109 at

[4:35:27] Voice 4: zero so throat now I happen to know that the applicant is not going to be

[4:35:35] Voice 4: pursuing this so I wonder if it's worth your while to contact them yes

[4:35:39] Voice 26: I know I

[4:35:42] Voice 26: I have been in contact with them, not in the last little bit, but I wrote to them recently and was understanding.

[4:35:51] Voice 26: But 99%

[4:35:53] Voice 4: sure of that information.

[4:35:54] Voice 26: I will check with them again.

[4:35:57] Voice 16: And then

[4:35:59] Voice 4: I had a question on page 110, probably the same question in the last three years, is the BC Ferries application.

[4:36:06] Voice 4: and we've been told by BC Ferries that they are only going to do this tiny

[4:36:14] Voice 4: little bit of upgrade work here and they have no plans in the next 10 years

[4:36:19] Voice 4: they've told us in public meetings to do this major ferry terminal that requires

[4:36:25] Voice 4: all of this work so is it worth your while to contact John Steele and see if

[4:36:32] Voice 4: we should take it off again i

[4:36:34] Voice 26: haven't i haven't been in contact with the applicant here as well

[4:36:37] Voice 26: there's um that is my understanding too that they are not planning to proceed with the development

[4:36:45] Voice 26: of new building and and some of the other work that they wanted to propose um the zoning of that

[4:36:54] Voice 26: and the ocp designation of that area is still not um consistent with the actual use right and so so

[4:37:00] Voice 26: So I have asked them, even since them stating that they were going to proceed with that work,

[4:37:07] Voice 26: that if they wanted to proceed with the application and they did say they do want to.

[4:37:12] Voice 26: That's another one where it's been waiting for information from them for some time.

[4:37:16] Voice 26: And

[4:37:17] Voice 16: I can

[4:37:23] Voice 30: let you know BC Ferries is doing this on a number of islands

[4:37:25] Voice 30: because when the province ran the ferries, they had paramount seat.

[4:37:29] Voice 30: they just built the terminals they're on residential they're on all kinds of zoning

[4:37:34] Voice 30: so they are fixing the zoning across their system so that they have the proper zoning

[4:37:39] Voice 4: i'll try to remember that for the next committee meeting because i think i asked you

[4:37:43] Voice 4: okay any

[4:37:47] Voice 30: other questions on applications no okay so we're going to move on then we've got the um

[4:37:52] Voice 30: 13.5 13.4 is the expense report that's here for your information 13.5 is the adopted policies

[4:38:00] Voice 30: and standing resolutions um if there's any first nation relationship

[4:38:06] Trustee Elliott: building updates

[4:38:07] Trustee Elliott: but you know we had some nice first nations news presents here today we very much appreciate it

[4:38:13] Trustee Elliott: and um there's climate change

[4:38:16] Voice 30: action update if there's any

[4:38:23] Voice 30: Okay, so that brings us on to the work program 14.1 the active projects report dated January

[4:38:28] Voice 30: 15th on page 123 of your agenda package is there any work that you've done?

[4:38:35] Voice 30: Probably not.

[4:38:36] Voice 30: You're still focused on your key projects.

[4:38:39] Voice 12: Yep,

[4:38:40] Trustee Elliott: that'll be it for a while.

[4:38:41] Trustee Elliott: Although no, sorry, we approved a project charter for the minor project.

[4:38:45] Trustee Elliott: But that's a future project, I think.

[4:38:48] Voice 9: But

[4:38:49] Trustee Elliott: we approved a charter.

[4:38:50] Trustee Elliott: Oh.

[4:38:52] Trustee Elliott: So, the Monge Island community plan.

[4:38:56] Trustee Elliott: But it's as a future project report, but isn't it active once we approve the charter?

[4:39:03] Voice 26: Well, this one is unusual in that you did approve a charter to initiate the project in April.

[4:39:11] Voice 26: role so i i can move it to an active project if you'd like but i i left it as a future project

[4:39:15] Voice 26: you did approve the charter but the but the plan isn't

[4:39:20] Voice 26: starting totally

[4:39:21] Trustee Elliott: fine got it great

[4:39:24] Trustee Elliott: any other questions on that then no thank you that brings us here towards the end we're at the

[4:39:29] Voice 30: upcoming meetings which is next meeting is going to be february 19th uh here in this building uh

[4:39:36] Voice 30: and

[4:39:37] Trustee Elliott: um there is so chair yes this building i mean we were over capacity today um is there any chance

[4:39:49] Trustee Elliott: that we need to think of a bigger venue we are getting the results of the freshwater um project

[4:40:05] Trustee Elliott: I don't know if the Aggie Hall can hold anymore or the Community Hall is expensive or not,

[4:40:13] Trustee Elliott: but should we ask staff to explore other options if a bigger venue is needed?

[4:40:19] Voice 30: It wouldn't hurt to make a resolution for that, I would suppose.

[4:40:23] Voice 26: Yeah, yeah.

[4:40:23] Voice 26: If you want to look into it, that might be the best way to phrase it, is to look for

[4:40:30] Voice 26: for a venue with a larger capacity because I know things get booked up and we're less

[4:40:38] Voice 26: than a month away from the next. But yes, we can address that resolution.

[4:40:43] Trustee Elliott: Okay. So I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to explore options

[4:40:49] Trustee Elliott: for a larger

[4:40:51] Trustee Elliott: venue for the

[4:40:54] Trustee Elliott: next local trust committee

[4:40:55] Trustee Elliott: meeting

[4:40:59] Voice 22: February 19th

[4:41:01] Trustee Elliott: 2026

[4:41:02] Trustee Elliott: I'll second that

[4:41:04] Trustee Elliott: and then I guess don't

[4:41:05] Trustee Elliott: any discussion?

[4:41:07] Trustee Elliott: should we say and advise the public

[4:41:08] Trustee Elliott: well

[4:41:09] Trustee Elliott: okay so if we change the venue

[4:41:12] Trustee Elliott: then the public will be notified

[4:41:15] Trustee Elliott: any further discussions?

[4:41:17] Trustee Elliott: well

[4:41:17] Voice 30: then all those in favor

[4:41:19] Voice 30: carries okay um change to electronic meeting for december there's a verbal update on page 15 uh

[4:41:29] Voice 30: item 15.2 yeah

[4:41:32] Voice 26: i can share related to this um that i received a note that during the december

[4:41:40] Voice 26: 17th executive committee meeting the uh logistical concern was was raised for uh there being 13 ltc

[4:41:47] Voice 26: meeting scheduled in a three-week period between the November and December Trust

[4:41:51] Voice 26: Council meetings and that that particular period in time would be a new

[4:41:59] Voice 26: executive committee would have been just formed that it could be logistically

[4:42:02] Voice 26: difficult for EC members to travel to various LTC meetings in that time so

[4:42:08] Voice 26: they that's that's where this is coming from and requesting that you consider

[4:42:14] Voice 26: that are holding up meeting electronically.

[4:42:18] Voice 4: Yeah, it's a bit of a quandary, because if you have a new chair

[4:42:23] Voice 4: and a new local trust committee, you want to see them and they

[4:42:26] Voice 4: should be meeting.

[4:42:27] Trustee Elliott: Yes, they should be meeting in public.

[4:42:29] Trustee Elliott: It must be an interesting

[4:42:31] Voice 30: comment. We've never had a

[4:42:33] Voice 30: problem in the past. So this is a tight fitting between two

[4:42:37] Voice 30: meetings. That's the issue. Yeah,

[4:42:40] Voice 4: it's a bit concerning to

[4:42:41] Voice 4: me i can see the practical reason but um that would be an important meeting for them to be in public

[4:42:48] Voice 4: it

[4:42:50] Trustee Elliott: is but it's it's ridiculous that calendar yeah lisa yeah um the

[4:42:57] Voice 11: director uh marler asked that the

[4:43:00] Voice 11: each lpc scheduled a meeting in in between the summer uh transparency meetings and because

[4:43:08] Voice 11: because the uh chair silence would just have to be made logistically it might be impossible

[4:43:15] Voice 11: to attend a meeting right yeah

[4:43:19] Voice 9: I

[4:43:20] Trustee Elliott: totally get that this is a bit of an odd situation here so right

[4:43:24] Trustee Elliott: yeah so I want to proceed with a resolution that's 15.2 I move that the Gabriel Island

[4:43:30] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee request staff change the meeting location of the December 3rd 2026

[4:43:35] Trustee Elliott: six regular meeting from in-person to electronic second second by trustees any discussion

[4:43:41] Trustee Elliott: we'll vote all those in favor that carries all right we're going to be making a

[4:43:45] Trustee Elliott: motion to go

[4:43:46] Trustee Elliott: into closed meeting i want to thank everyone that came

[4:43:48] Voice 30: out today we really do want to hear from you

[4:43:51] Voice 30: and thank you thank you all very much so

[4:43:56] Voice 17: i guess we can't make any more comments right

[4:43:58] Voice 30: not in the meeting today but you can always contact your trustees uh and uh comment always

[4:44:06] Voice 30: HAB-Masyn Moyer- or write letters emails, we are one of your a

[4:44:10] Voice 23: lot of work, writing letters and emails, I

[4:44:12] Voice 30: understand, I know.

[4:44:15] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Thank you so much for coming today.

[4:44:20] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- All right, I need 16.1.

[4:44:25] Voice 8: HAB-Masyn Moyer- I'm sure I think it's like my.

[4:44:28] Voice 8: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Anymore yes.

[4:44:31] Voice 8: I

[4:44:32] Voice 26: don't know if it's on here. I think it wasn't on the cover, but we're recommending that you amend the motion or not. Yeah, I'm in the motion from what's on your agenda package to include F.

[4:44:43] Voice 15: Yeah.

[4:44:46] Voice 15: Yeah.

[4:44:48] Voice 26: I can.

[4:44:52] Trustee Elliott: Got it.

[4:44:55] Voice 15: Oh, great.

[4:44:56] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[4:44:56] Voice 15: oh good

[4:44:57] Trustee Elliott: i move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter

[4:45:01] Trustee Elliott: part four division three section 91 a i and f for the purpose of considering sorry i f and one i a

[4:45:12] Trustee Elliott: f and i a personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is being

[4:45:18] Trustee Elliott: considered for a position of an officer employee or agent of the municipality or another position

[4:45:24] Trustee Elliott: appointed by the municipality f law enforcement if the council considers that disclosure could

[4:45:29] Trustee Elliott: reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of the investigation under or enforcement of equipment

[4:45:35] Trustee Elliott: and i the receipt of advice that is subject to the client privilege including communications

[4:45:40] Trustee Elliott: necessary for that purpose and that the reporter and staff attend the meeting is there a second

[4:45:46] Trustee Elliott: second

[4:45:47] Trustee Elliott: any discussion

[4:45:49] Trustee Elliott: all those in favor

[4:45:52] Trustee Elliott: just carry

[4:45:55] Trustee Elliott: all right thank you for coming

[4:45:57] Trustee Elliott: today we appreciate the

[4:45:59] Trustee Elliott: sound or listening

[4:46:01] Trustee Elliott: you're very

[4:46:02] Voice 8: you're very

[4:46:04] Trustee Elliott: educated indeed

[4:46:06] Trustee Elliott: a lot

[4:46:09] Voice 8: yeah

[4:46:10] Voice 8: sorry

[4:46:11] Voice 21: did you need

[4:46:14] Voice 21: did you need