Islands Trust Council regular meeting, January 29, 2026

[0:00:14] Voice 4: Good

[0:00:14] Voice 3: morning, everybody.

[0:00:17] Voice 3: Thank you for joining us today for the regular meeting of the Saterna Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:24] Voice 3: I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging the proportion to be able to gather the locations across the territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:29] Voice 3: I'm David Pardewak and I'm the Chair of the Eastern Ohio Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:34] Voice 3: Today we're joined by your local trustees, Trustee Polin, who is joining us via Zoom,

[0:00:40] Voice 3: and Trustee Milliken, who is joining us via live.

[0:00:44] Voice 3: So together we make up the Eastern Ohio Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:48] Voice 3: This meeting is being livestreamed and recorded for those who are not able to be in person today.

[0:00:52] Voice 3: The recording will be posted on the Islands Trust website for future viewing.

[0:00:56] Voice 3: So we have lots of people joining us today.

[0:00:58] Voice 3: of course we have a great crowd from saturn but we also have uh our regional planning manager

[0:01:06] Voice 3: we have of course brad smith our island planner uh we have senator freighter um who is our senior

[0:01:13] Voice 3: policy advisor who's um stepping in for jason jones uh for the component to deal with the

[0:01:18] Voice 3: policy statement um we also have one demon our bio enforcement manager um and uh behind the scenes we

[0:01:26] Voice 3: We have Emily Bryant, who is doing the Zoom mastery and such, and she'll be handing it

[0:01:34] Voice 3: off a little bit later on.

[0:01:37] Voice 3: And then we also have Cardi Doney, who will be doing our minute table for us.

[0:01:41] Voice 3: So we have a full house on both sides of the ledger.

[0:01:45] Voice 3: So just wanted to let you know this meeting is official form.

[0:01:49] Voice 3: You'll trust me to make decisions about land use matters and discuss relative business.

[0:01:53] Voice 3: I want to add it's a place of employment.

[0:01:55] Voice 3: employment we are set the right to a safe and respectful workplace so going forward we have

[0:02:02] Voice 3: an agenda before us um any additional institutions or relations with that you're hiding you have no

[0:02:08] Voice 3: fighting um I'm assuming Christine oh she's not saying anything so we will by general consent

[0:02:14] Voice 3: adopt is

[0:02:16] Voice 5: that her on your screen there that

[0:02:18] Voice 3: is her on my screen so she she is here in spirit

[0:02:23] Voice 3: She's adorable.

[0:02:24] Voice 3: She's adorable.

[0:02:29] Voice 3: All righty.

[0:02:30] Voice 3: And of course, we kick off with our trustee report, so which trustee wants to do a report?

[0:02:41] Voice 3: Trustee Baldwin.

[0:02:43] Voice 14: I can give a brief report?

[0:02:48] Voice 14: Sure.

[0:02:50] Voice 14: The thing I've been concerned with over the last short while, it's a long time since we

[0:02:57] Voice 14: at a meeting of course is the budget and the preparation for the budget and the draft budget

[0:03:03] Voice 14: at the moment has a proposed tax increase of 13.4 percent and some of that is because

[0:03:14] Voice 14: over the last few basically there's been a drop in revenue and a drop in grant funding

[0:03:22] Voice 14: and but it's still the the reductions in revenue were foreseen so the increase in spending is six

[0:03:34] Voice 14: point something percent so pay attention and in February before Trust Council the final decision

[0:03:42] Voice 14: about the budget is made at Trust Council in early March but in February I think it's February

[0:03:49] Voice 14: the 18th there is a financial planning meeting and for the first time there will be what's called a

[0:03:54] Voice 14: committee of the whole meeting which is the whole of Trust Council in a less formal arrangement than

[0:04:03] Voice 14: Trust Council itself to allow full discussion of the budget so that when we go to Trust Council

[0:04:13] Voice 14: in March when time is often a bit constrained, people will have had a full opportunity to look

[0:04:21] Voice 14: at the final submissions for that budget. So I've put something in the Scribner, but, you know,

[0:04:29] Voice 14: please pay attention. If you have comments on the budget or you want to register your opinion,

[0:04:35] Voice 14: there's an email address you can use. You can make a presentation and you can write to your

[0:04:42] Voice 14: trustees of course so please pay attention it is 13.4.6 percent i can't quite remember

[0:04:49] Voice 14: it's large it's significant and it will come to you unless you speak up thank you

[0:04:57] Voice 5: thank you trustee thank you yes thanks everyone for coming um and um but i won't say too too much

[0:05:05] Voice 5: to fear abusing everybody's kindness

[0:05:09] Voice 5: in attending our meeting today

[0:05:10] Voice 5: by going on about things

[0:05:13] Voice 5: that I'm sure it's probably better

[0:05:15] Voice 5: we preserve public comment time for.

[0:05:17] Voice 5: So I will say that I have not been active

[0:05:23] Voice 5: on any committees since our Christmas period

[0:05:26] Voice 5: and therefore I don't really have any

[0:05:28] Voice 5: to report on any of that.

[0:05:29] Voice 5: And so I look forward to hearing

[0:05:30] Voice 5: everyone's input and feedback today

[0:05:32] Voice 5: on the on the proposed policy statement and all the matches before us so thank you thank

[0:05:40] Voice 3: you okay

[0:05:41] Voice 3: from the chair's perspective um secret so here we go

[0:05:50] Voice 3: we of course we had a long break um uh between meetings uh we we had the acg right which uh

[0:06:02] Voice 3: It prevented us from having meetings through the October, kind of November period, but we're very happy getting back out to speed.

[0:06:11] Voice 3: As Jesse Ballin touched on, spending a lot of time and energy on the budget at this point in time, it's unfortunate, but we get silent with increases that we don't have a lot of control over.

[0:06:24] Voice 3: I believe the number, if I'm remembering correctly, is 7.5% of this year's budget are due to circumstances totally beyond our control.

[0:06:33] Voice 3: One is 4.5% of the budget, I believe, is subject to loss of grants or government contributions for the year.

[0:06:43] Voice 3: So we're down quite a bit that way.

[0:06:45] Voice 3: But, of course, the outcome of the BCGEU strike is a salary bump, which also affects our bottom line.

[0:06:53] Voice 3: we don't have any control over so the that's the first seven percent of your budget and then of

[0:06:59] Voice 3: course there are cost of living increases um wanting to do things more for our constituents

[0:07:06] Voice 3: so we're we're i trust people might believe 13.1 is where we've landed right now for tax increase

[0:07:14] Voice 3: um so there's a lot of work ahead of us hopefully to sort of keep it somewhat stable somewhat

[0:07:20] Voice 3: somewhat affordable for everybody but as we all know in our lives is every day is more expensive

[0:07:26] Voice 3: and we're doing our very very best and I can just tell you your two trustees are

[0:07:30] Voice 3: putting their hands up challenging every increase in making us justify what we do so you're well

[0:07:38] Voice 3: served what are your elected ambitions yes so um I won't say much about policy statement because

[0:07:45] Voice 3: of course we're about to get into the policy statement discussion they spend five minutes

[0:07:49] Voice 3: going on and on and on about that but i will be quiet about that today because we have bigger

[0:07:53] Voice 3: better people to speak about that today so we'll just leave it at that um i see the director brent's

[0:07:59] Voice 3: not here yet i know he's got some other meetings on out of the day and he said he will be attending

[0:08:04] Voice 3: so maybe we can give him a little bit of room to speak if he does get in but um we'll leave

[0:08:10] Voice 3: it at that so now we have a town hall um so that's your opportunity to ask questions obviously we've

[0:08:17] Voice 3: We've got the policy statement and the things,

[0:08:18] Voice 3: so that'll be Q&A time for anything to do with policy.

[0:08:22] Voice 3: If you have any questions or concerns,

[0:08:23] Voice 3: local trust committee, raise your hands,

[0:08:25] Voice 3: couple minutes, where we go, go ahead.

[0:08:28] Voice 4: Yes, John Hutchinson, Saturn Island resident.

[0:08:32] Voice 4: I ask our Saturn Island trustees

[0:08:36] Voice 4: propose and pass a motion to table

[0:08:40] Voice 4: the current draft policy statement

[0:08:44] Voice 4: for a period of 12 months.

[0:08:47] Voice 4: If that's not possible, defeat it.

[0:08:51] Voice 4: Reasons.

[0:08:52] Voice 4: In my opinion, we are currently on a runaway train wildly perennially down the tracks to a wreckage beyond the fair.

[0:09:01] Voice 4: It is clear the sentiment is well-intended, but no thought has been considered to look at unintended consequences.

[0:09:10] Voice 4: Tax increases will be won.

[0:09:13] Voice 4: Our BC government is going to court to appeal the legal rule and enrichment

[0:09:17] Voice 4: regarding the Brazel River waterfront land rowing. The government passed DIPRA, Declaration

[0:09:27] Voice 4: of Rights of Indigenous People, UNDRIP, United Nations Declaration on Rights of Indigenous People,

[0:09:34] Voice 4: And in 2023, the BC Government Interpretation Act stated that every act and regulation must

[0:09:42] Voice 4: be considered and construed with UNDRIP.

[0:09:46] Voice 4: The court argument is that the award, that court argument for the government is that

[0:09:52] Voice 4: the award is a result of unforeseen circumstances.

[0:09:56] Voice 4: Another court decision on government mining permits give authority to the local First

[0:10:02] Voice 4: Nations.

[0:10:03] Voice 4: UNDRIP IS NOW A LAW IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. THE DRAFT POLICY STATEMENT IF APPROVED WALKS

[0:10:12] Voice 4: US STRAIGHT INTO THESE COURT RULEMENTS AND DOWN A RABBIT HOLE OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

[0:10:18] Voice 4: WE MUST HOLD THE PROCESS BEFORE IT COULD BE LATED.

[0:10:23] Voice 4: WHO PAYS FOR ALL THE NEW STAFF NEEDED TO ENSURE THE NEW POLICY GOALS 125 WITH THE WORD SHALL

[0:10:32] Voice 4: are followed. This will require more tax money for extra staff. We are currently paying the

[0:10:42] Voice 4: First Nations to be included in the draft policy as they are needing to hire consultants to assist

[0:10:49] Voice 4: in their participation. What happens when Island Trust staff start referring all this new bureaucracy

[0:10:58] Voice 4: bureaucracy from 13 different local trust areas into 20 small First Nations.

[0:11:06] Voice 4: How do they hire staff to ensure their rights are being enforced and who pays for their

[0:11:12] Voice 4: new staff?

[0:11:13] Voice 4: With this policy in place, I believe our non-paid island trustees will no longer be required

[0:11:20] Voice 4: As one cookie cutter master dachshund sets out the rule for time immemorial. Thank you.

[0:11:31] Voice 8: Anybody else?

[0:11:35] Voice 7: It's me behind you.

[0:11:37] Voice 8: I was also

[0:11:40] Voice 7: pretty gobsmacked when I first looked at the policy statement.

[0:11:46] Voice 7: I didn't expect what I saw. So I know that you've been quite a part of this.

[0:11:53] Voice 7: That's right. And I don't recall us discussing that in such depth that First Nations would be, and I'm not expressing an opinion on this.

[0:12:04] Voice 7: I was very surprised to see an involvement at a level, which I don't even know what the level is, because I didn't find it defined anywhere as to how that would be carried out.

[0:12:21] Voice 7: that did surprise me and there are other parts of the policy which I know a lot of you worked on

[0:12:28] Voice 7: quite a bit and I where we're in this discussion where are you going to be speaking that

[0:12:36] Voice 7: more clearly do we need to come up with individual questions or how is this going to go I don't know

[0:12:44] Voice 7: So

[0:12:45] Voice 3: with the policy statement presentation, it's Director Frieder who's going to give sort of an overview.

[0:12:51] Voice 7: Who's going to?

[0:12:52] Voice 3: Director Frieder. Okay.

[0:12:54] Voice 3: And then-

[0:12:55] Voice 7: Oh, you mean we're going to look at some-

[0:12:57] Voice 3: Yeah, you're going to get a whole Zoom presentation. And then this is question and answers after that, so we will-

[0:13:04] Voice 7: But we're not speaking, are we speaking to her directly?

[0:13:07] Voice 17: Yes.

[0:13:10] Voice 17: So this is your town hall, you can speak to it, but there's also a CIM coming up, a community

[0:13:17] Voice 17: information meeting coming up on that topic where Claire Frater, our director, is going

[0:13:25] Voice 17: to present information on the draft statement and then you'll have another opportunity to

[0:13:30] Voice 17: speak there.

[0:13:31] Voice 7: Great.

[0:13:32] Voice 7: That sounds good.

[0:13:33] Voice 7: If you want to save

[0:13:34] Voice 17: your comments for them.

[0:13:35] Voice 17: I

[0:13:35] Voice 7: certainly would. I didn't know how you had set it up, because

[0:13:38] Voice 7: we didn't see anything about it.

[0:13:39] Voice 7: Yeah,

[0:13:39] Voice 17: for that particular point, it would probably make more sense to share any of those comments to us.

[0:13:44] Voice 17: Thanks.

[0:13:45] Voice 17: So, just

[0:13:45] Voice 4: for clarification, John made a motion or suggested something.

[0:13:52] Voice 4: Are you going to consider that only for a

[0:13:58] Voice 3: review of the policy statement?

[0:13:59] Voice 3: No, it's a suggestion, yeah.

[0:14:03] Voice 3: Yeah, so I would suggest what probably what we'll do is we'll touch on that in new business later on in the meeting.

[0:14:08] Voice 3: So we will go through the policy statement presentation and such, and then the trustees can consider that suggestion.

[0:14:18] Voice 3: Anybody else?

[0:14:21] Voice 3: All right, so then we will move into our community information meeting about the policy statement.

[0:14:28] Voice 3: um so we have uh clara freighter um who will be joining us and hopefully have a

[0:14:38] Voice 3: just wait for the screen to pop up here good

[0:14:44] Voice 10: morning good

[0:14:45] Voice 3: morning claire we're just getting

[0:14:47] Voice 3: the presentation earlier the um presentation up

[0:14:51] Voice 11: okay i haven't done this in a while so i'm

[0:14:54] Voice 11: going to try sharing this way and see if you can see the presentation in full screen

[0:14:59] Voice 3: Um, no, we don't have a lead part, but we're going to have, it's going to be

[0:15:08] Voice 17: It's crammed in here that we're having, and it would be great to have everyone

[0:15:12] Voice 17: slide over if you can. In fact, the screen can't really be seen by everyone.

[0:15:19] Voice 17: I did have it perfect for the record.

[0:15:32] Voice 4: We

[0:15:32] Voice 17: could, it just would take me moving everything, and I have to be close to it because I only

[0:15:39] Voice 17: have HD in my light.

[0:15:42] Voice 6: Yeah, it's just hard to see with all the lighting.

[0:15:45] Voice 17: Can you

[0:15:45] Voice 17: change the light?

[0:15:46] Voice 17: Just bear with us for a second, Claire.

[0:15:49] Voice 7: Could you close the blind, please?

[0:15:51] Voice 17: We can see it.

[0:15:53] Voice 17: That's always success.

[0:15:53] Voice 17: That's number one for the planner, something on the screen, not my unit.

[0:16:00] Voice 17: So, about

[0:16:01] Voice 7: shutting those screens on either.

[0:16:04] Voice 7: See them over the window.

[0:16:05] Voice 7: I know the level of whining is one quarter left.

[0:16:12] Voice 8: Oh, you did a good job.

[0:16:15] Voice 8: Special status.

[0:16:20] Voice 4: You've seen some of the .

[0:16:27] Voice 3: You

[0:16:27] Voice 8: don't get a suggestion.

[0:16:32] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:16:35] Voice 17: You know what, Sarah, we'd better if I shared your screen, if that works.

[0:16:41] Voice 10: All right.

[0:16:42] Voice 10: You say that again, Brad?

[0:16:43] Voice 17: share with you if you want to share with me i

[0:16:47] Voice 10: have shared the screen to zoom are you seeing

[0:16:49] Voice 10: it there's an acknowledgement slide yeah

[0:16:50] Voice 17: okay yeah so

[0:16:51] Voice 16: there you go you're good can i confirm

[0:16:54] Voice 11: you're seeing it as a full screen presentation no

[0:16:56] Voice 8: no okay

[0:16:59] Voice 11: i'm gonna stop sharing i will try

[0:17:02] Voice 11: sharing it this way oh no that's the same thing sorry

[0:17:06] Voice 10: are

[0:17:15] Voice 11: you seeing a acknowledgement slide

[0:17:17] Voice 11: slide. Yes. Mixed reviews.

[0:17:23] Voice 17: Not full screen, but it's good enough, I think.

[0:17:27] Voice 11: So what do you what

[0:17:28] Voice 11: can I confirm what you're saying? Is there some way I can change the display? I can see everything.

[0:17:32] Voice 17: It's just in my browser. It's not blowing out to the whole window.

[0:17:37] Voice 10: Okay. Chair, would you like me

[0:17:41] Voice 10: to proceed or wait till we can fix something up?

[0:17:43] Voice 3: I think it's good enough. Everybody can see no

[0:17:50] Voice 11: Okay. So my name is Claire Freider. Good morning, everyone. I'm coming to you from

[0:17:56] Voice 11: the territory of the Lekwungen peoples, also known as the Songhees-Squamalp First Nations.

[0:18:01] Voice 11: I am the Director of Trust Area Services, and I have overarching responsibility for this project,

[0:18:10] Voice 11: but I'm coming to you today a little unexpectedly with Jason Eumanns, our Senior Policy Advisor,

[0:18:15] Voice 11: are sending his regrets so I'll ask you bear with me today as I don't typically give this

[0:18:20] Voice 11: presentation I'll note when we get to questions our regional planning manager Robert Kojima is

[0:18:26] Voice 11: with me as well because I am not in a position to answer any technical planning questions that

[0:18:30] Voice 11: might arise so with that if everything's okay in the room I'll proceed okay seeing some nods great

[0:18:38] Voice 11: so lovely to see you all it's a little bit odd to present when I'm not in the space so please let me

[0:18:42] Voice 11: know if there's anything I can change that would make it easier to understand. I'll just start off

[0:18:47] Voice 11: by acknowledging that we work in the territories of many nations, and the Islands Trust and Islands

[0:18:53] Voice 11: Trust Conservancy respectfully acknowledge that the lands and waters have been home to Indigenous

[0:18:56] Voice 11: peoples since time immemorial, and that their deep connection to these islands continues to this day.

[0:19:02] Voice 11: You will see that theme reflected in the document as we go through it.

[0:19:07] Voice 11: You can hear. So this slide is intended just to let you know a little bit about myself.

[0:19:14] Voice 11: I've been with the Islands Trust over 20 years. I have been working on this project for far too

[0:19:20] Voice 11: many years and really enjoy working at the Islands Trust. Before we get into any description like

[0:19:27] Voice 11: this, I'll just pause and give you just the basics about the Islands Trust for anyone who might be

[0:19:31] Voice 11: new to the island, which is that it is a special purpose government responsible for planning and

[0:19:37] Voice 11: land use management in the Islands Trust area, which is comprised of 13 major islands and more

[0:19:42] Voice 11: than 450 smaller islands and the surrounding waters in the Strait of Georgia and Howe Sound.

[0:19:48] Voice 11: So this document that we're talking about today spans a whole variety of island types

[0:19:52] Voice 11: and communities. Here's a map to let you know. The Islands Trust does its best to preserve and

[0:20:01] Voice 11: protect 450 islands in the Salish Sea. I don't know how that's coming across in terms of detail

[0:20:07] Voice 11: for you, but these islands are grouped into 13 local trust areas which each have their own local

[0:20:12] Voice 11: trust committees that make land use decisions for that group of islands using land use planning

[0:20:18] Voice 11: authorities under part 14 of the local government act. There's also one island municipality which

[0:20:24] Voice 11: is Bowen Island up here in Howe Sound which has a municipal council and all the

[0:20:29] Voice 11: powers of a regular

[0:20:30] Voice 11: municipality and two of their elected councillors sit on Islands Trust Council.

[0:20:38] Voice 17: Claire just before

[0:20:39] Voice 17: you go on there we're just going to make a quick timeout we've lots of people here and if people

[0:20:43] Voice 17: want to come mill over the presentation parts on the screen are only going to be this and then the

[0:20:48] Voice 17: part around the wetland piece where we'll talk a little bit so i don't know if we want to if

[0:20:53] Voice 17: if you can't see and you want to i would really want everyone to feel at least like you are

[0:20:58] Voice 17: invited to squeeze over here we could i could move over a little bit we could bring some more chairs

[0:21:03] Voice 17: in here if we want and claire just so you know on this end we have your screen's quite large

[0:21:10] Voice 17: And you're also up in the top corner so that they at least get to see your face while you're

[0:21:15] Voice 17: speaking to them.

[0:21:16] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:21:17] Voice 8: So

[0:21:18] Voice 17: if anyone wants to move over and if you're comfortable over there listening, then that's

[0:21:22] Voice 17: great.

[0:21:22] Voice 17: I just want to invite that.

[0:21:24] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:21:24] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:21:27] Voice 17: I think we're good.

[0:21:29] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:21:29] Voice 17: Carry on.

[0:21:31] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:21:32] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:21:33] Voice 11: This is our slide that kind of demonstrates the Islands Trust governance structure.

[0:21:38] Voice 11: When all 26 elected trustees come together from the region, they do so as Islands Trust Council here.

[0:21:45] Voice 11: And that body takes into account planning for the region as a whole.

[0:21:49] Voice 11: The Islands Trust really is a unique form of government.

[0:21:52] Voice 11: It's neither a municipality nor a regional district.

[0:21:55] Voice 11: And ultimately, it's a special kind of government for a special place.

[0:21:59] Voice 11: It was created in 1974 by the provincial government to protect these islands and their unique ecosystems and community lifestyles from the rampant overdevelopment that was starting to emerge in a form of small lot subdivisions on several of the islands.

[0:22:14] Voice 11: Islands. The Islands Trust Act, Islands Trust was established under the Islands Trust Act

[0:22:19] Voice 11: which has the object which I'll read out to you here because this is at the heart of everything

[0:22:26] Voice 11: we do which is that the trust is to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities

[0:22:31] Voice 11: and environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of British Columbia generally

[0:22:36] Voice 11: and it needs to be undertaken in cooperation with municipalities, regional districts,

[0:22:42] Voice 11: districts, improvement districts, First Nations, other persons and organizations, and the government

[0:22:47] Voice 11: of British Columbia. So now we'll move on to talking about the policy statement. The very

[0:22:55] Voice 11: first policy statement of the Islands Trust was adopted in 1975. The current Islands Trust policy

[0:23:01] Voice 11: statement has been enforced since 1993. A lot has changed in not just in the Islands Trust area,

[0:23:07] Voice 11: but in Canada and the wider world since 1998.

[0:23:12] Voice 11: In 2019, Islands Trust Council decided it was time to update the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[0:23:17] Voice 11: to better help Islands Trust navigate today's challenges and tomorrow's opportunities.

[0:23:23] Voice 11: You'll see here, it sets out on the screen for those who can't see it,

[0:23:27] Voice 11: that in the Islands Trust Act, the Trust Council must, by bylaw,

[0:23:33] Voice 11: adopt a Trust Policy Statement that applies to the Trust Area

[0:23:36] Voice 11: area and it must have three things. It must be a general statement of the policies of Trust Council

[0:23:42] Voice 11: to carry out the object of the trust. It may establish different policies for different parts

[0:23:47] Voice 11: of the trust area and it has no effect under purposes of subsection four of the Act unless

[0:23:52] Voice 11: it's approved by the Minister. This will be hard if it may be too small in the room. This slide

[0:24:01] Voice 11: sort of sets out the policy hierarchy within the Islands Trust. So for those who can't see the

[0:24:08] Voice 11: image. The policy statement is our overarching guiding policy document and it sets out the

[0:24:14] Voice 11: framework within which official community plans are developed. You'll then see that efficient

[0:24:19] Voice 11: community plans act as a framework for zoning bylaws and all together they set out the outcomes

[0:24:25] Voice 11: that happen on the island landscape. So working together in a hierarchy they achieve the outcome

[0:24:30] Voice 11: that is the community that you live in on the islands and how it feels and is to be in that

[0:24:36] Voice 11: community um so yeah i hope that's helpful there's a drawing there for those who can see

[0:24:45] Voice 11: all right um so the policy statement doesn't just guide land use planning

[0:24:49] Voice 11: the current policy statement also acts as a foundation for strategic planning for the trust

[0:24:55] Voice 11: so depending on the policy outcomes that are desired it can help advice help trust council

[0:25:00] Voice 11: make decisions around strategic investments in mapping or programs or achieving the outcomes in

[0:25:05] Voice 11: the document it does guide the review of official community plans and regulatory bylaws and it also

[0:25:11] Voice 11: the policy content in there also informs intergovernmental relationships and the types

[0:25:16] Voice 11: of agreements that islands trust might wish to have with other levels of government um so often

[0:25:24] Voice 11: we're asked how will the policy statement impact you um so as a landowner there is no short-term

[0:25:29] Voice 11: impact um to changes to the policy statement um it will only there will only you would only see

[0:25:35] Voice 11: an impact unless you apply to amend the official community plan or land use bylaw as they apply to

[0:25:41] Voice 11: your land. In the medium term, it may result in more ways to use your land, less ways to use your

[0:25:47] Voice 11: land, or different ways to use your land. As an island resident, again, no impact in the short

[0:25:55] Voice 11: term unless your local trust committee chooses to move quickly to update its official community plan

[0:26:00] Voice 11: and land use bylaw to align with a newly adopted policy statement. In the medium term, you may

[0:26:07] Voice 11: may see a reduced pace of disturbance to characteristic island ecosystems and perhaps

[0:26:11] Voice 11: a greater range of housing options in the right places if this draft statement was to be adopted.

[0:26:21] Voice 11: So moving on, this is the project. It's been called Islands 2050 and it's been underway since

[0:26:29] Voice 11: 2019 to undertake all the work that's required to update this foundational document. When Trust

[0:26:37] Voice 11: council undertook this work there were three main priorities identified in terms of themes for the

[0:26:42] Voice 11: update one was to address reconciliation with indigenous peoples the next was climate change

[0:26:47] Voice 11: and the next was housing these related to a declaration a reconciliation declaration that

[0:26:52] Voice 11: trust council made in 2019 also in 2019 trust council declared a climate change emergency

[0:26:59] Voice 11: and also has declared a workforce shortage and housing crisis as a declaration

[0:27:03] Voice 11: So those three statements are informing this work and sort of setting the overall priority setting for focus for policy amendments.

[0:27:13] Voice 11: This will likely be hard to read in the room. It's a timeline graphic of the project, setting out where we've been since 2019 and where we're headed.

[0:27:23] Voice 11: So you'll see there's a, for those who can't see, there's sort of a red highlighted area showing we are here, where we're just concluding the phase of public input.

[0:27:32] Voice 11: that will conclude we're trying to conclude in early February so we can undertake analysis of

[0:27:37] Voice 11: everything we've heard and provide recommendations back to trust council the current trajectory for

[0:27:43] Voice 11: the project is to try and have a referral to the minister of a document in summer of 2026 this is

[0:27:50] Voice 11: entirely up to trust council whether they will feel prepared at that time to forward the document

[0:27:55] Voice 11: you will see there's two graphics one at the top is around the public engagement

[0:27:59] Voice 11: engagement thing and also we've been gauging in a parallel way with Indigenous governing bodies

[0:28:03] Voice 11: to seek their feedback and input into the document as well. The Minister has been very clear that

[0:28:08] Voice 11: they'd like the Islands Trust to work towards consensus with communities and Indigenous

[0:28:12] Voice 11: governing bodies and provide all of that feedback to the Minister when we provide the document for

[0:28:17] Voice 11: review. So this is a summary here of the work that's happened. There's been an immense amount

[0:28:26] Voice 11: of effort and ongoing dialogue with communities over the last five years for this document

[0:28:30] Voice 11: and we've tried to be as transparent as we can so if you look on the islands 2050 page

[0:28:35] Voice 11: on the islands trust website under the programs menu tab there we have posted all of the feedback

[0:28:42] Voice 11: received all of the what we heard reports that we've developed we've posted referral responses

[0:28:47] Voice 11: from all the various agencies there's just a treasure trove of information for anyone who's

[0:28:52] Voice 11: interested in a deep dive and understanding how we got to where we are today um i what i would say

[0:29:03] Voice 11: is that from May 2024 the Islands Trust Committee of the Whole received a draft document from that

[0:29:10] Voice 11: had been reflective of previous input and there were 32 amendments that had or amendment themes

[0:29:16] Voice 11: that had been requested by Trust Council after the last big public engagement and since then

[0:29:21] Voice 11: the Committee of the Whole, Trust Programs Committee and Trust Council have met more than

[0:29:26] Voice 11: a dozen times to sort of work on the document as an elected body. And so that work is all concluding

[0:29:33] Voice 11: in the draft that is now out for public engagement. There's just been a tremendous amount of time and

[0:29:38] Voice 11: effort from everyone, both trustees, staff, and all members of the community towards crafting a

[0:29:43] Voice 11: document. So what's in this draft? It's set out with starting out with guiding principles, which

[0:29:52] Voice 11: sort of guide how Trust Council should make decisions and what Trust Council should have in

[0:29:56] Voice 11: in mind and all trustees as they undertake their work.

[0:30:00] Voice 11: So these sort of set out the foundational moral compass for trust council and trust and local trust committees as they undertake their work.

[0:30:06] Voice 11: There are directive policies. So these are things that local trust committees and island municipalities must do or must include in their official community plans and land use bylaws.

[0:30:17] Voice 11: And then there's advisory policies. So this is advice to local trust committees or island municipalities about what they should do, but wouldn't be a requirement.

[0:30:29] Voice 11: So we're just going to walk through three core elements to the draft policy statement here.

[0:30:34] Voice 11: There are reconciliation policies which reflect the commitment of Trust Council.

[0:30:42] Voice 11: I'm just going to find my notes here. Yeah, so as I mentioned earlier,

[0:30:49] Voice 11: the minister has recently told Trust Council to work towards consensus with First Nations on the development of this document.

[0:30:55] Voice 11: so we've been working hard to seek input around values and topics that are of interest and through

[0:31:03] Voice 11: the referral process we'll be hearing back from nations around whether we've struck the right

[0:31:07] Voice 11: balance and addressed what's important to them in particular you'll see here that in the guiding

[0:31:12] Voice 11: principles there's a commitment to acknowledging and respecting indigenous rights and to prioritizing

[0:31:18] Voice 11: environmental and indigenous cultural heritage protection and again these are guiding principles

[0:31:22] Voice 11: for council to keep in mind as it does its work.

[0:31:25] Voice 11: In terms of directive policies,

[0:31:27] Voice 11: there's one here around cooperating

[0:31:29] Voice 11: with Indigenous governing bodies.

[0:31:31] Voice 11: And this is something that is really formalizing

[0:31:34] Voice 11: what is already done,

[0:31:35] Voice 11: where we undertake referrals on most bylaws

[0:31:38] Voice 11: that are being developed now, if not all already,

[0:31:40] Voice 11: and provide that record through to either

[0:31:42] Voice 11: the executive committee or the minister

[0:31:43] Voice 11: so that they can understand what was said

[0:31:46] Voice 11: from the nation's trust around their desires

[0:31:50] Voice 11: for any particular bylaw that's being developed.

[0:31:53] Voice 11: Again, this is just encoding what has already become regular practice at the Trust.

[0:31:59] Voice 11: In terms of other more specific directive policies, we have one around Indigenous cultural heritage sites, around minimizing potential adverse impacts.

[0:32:08] Voice 11: One around Indigenous marine harvesting areas, which is again to minimize potential adverse impacts.

[0:32:14] Voice 11: And one around Indigenous harvesting and hunting areas, again, minimizing potential adverse impacts.

[0:32:19] Voice 11: impacts. For climate change we have topics that are addressed throughout the document and I would

[0:32:29] Voice 11: suggest there isn't a climate change section. We've had questions around that. The intention

[0:32:33] Voice 11: was to address climate change as it's woven through the document. Generally good land use

[0:32:39] Voice 11: planning results in good land use which results in benefit to the climate. But we have a couple

[0:32:44] Voice 11: here that sort of respond to climate change. There was one on freshwater sustainability which is to

[0:32:50] Voice 11: ensure that neither the density nor intensity of land use is increased in watersheds where the

[0:32:54] Voice 11: quality and quantity of the supply of fresh water is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable also

[0:33:01] Voice 11: here around hazardous areas we've all seen changes that are happening around floods and fires and so

[0:33:06] Voice 11: on that we would identify those areas at elevated risk and then yeah we would identify those areas

[0:33:13] Voice 11: at elevated risk and restrict development within these areas and then finally another example is

[0:33:19] Voice 11: setbacks from the sea we would incorporate current or anticipated impacts of sea level rise and storm

[0:33:25] Voice 11: surge and determine appropriate shoreline buffers and setbacks from the sea using best practices

[0:33:31] Voice 11: recommended by the federal and provincial governments on housing um you'll see here

[0:33:38] Voice 11: there's some new policies around housing one is to identify suitable locations for housing that

[0:33:44] Voice 11: could support increased density for the development of safe secure diverse and attainable

[0:33:49] Voice 11: housing. Another example is housing diversity. Support a range of housing types and tenures to

[0:33:55] Voice 11: help meet identified housing needs of island communities. I'll pause there because I was out

[0:34:00] Voice 11: doing engagement throughout the region last year and I have to say one of the number one things we

[0:34:04] Voice 11: heard was from people aging on the islands going, you know, I've lived in my great big house for my

[0:34:09] Voice 11: life on the islands. I really need a different housing type as I'm aging to be able to stay on

[0:34:13] Voice 11: this island I love. We did hear that a lot and we're certainly hearing from working people these

[0:34:17] Voice 11: days around a need for a different housing type and clustered small dwelling units this is to

[0:34:23] Voice 11: support alternatives to conventional single detached dwellings by establishing policies

[0:34:28] Voice 11: to permit clusters of small dwelling units in suitable areas so i'll stop there with all the

[0:34:35] Voice 11: policy work and let you know next steps for the project um in we are as i noted here we had first

[0:34:43] Voice 11: first reading in July of 25. We have been out for the last six months or so doing engagement

[0:34:49] Voice 11: through an Islands Trust-wide, area-wide survey. We held a webinar to provide information.

[0:34:55] Voice 11: We have sent a household mailer that I hope most of you received to let you know about the project,

[0:35:00] Voice 11: and we have referred the bylaw out to about 115 agencies and Indigenous governing bodies for

[0:35:06] Voice 11: comment. So now we are hoping to receive all of that feedback in, and then staff will be analyzing

[0:35:13] Voice 11: it all and providing it all to trust council and looking for direction around next steps we expect

[0:35:21] Voice 11: to provide some recommendations around what we think are obvious changes that could happen to

[0:35:27] Voice 11: the document and trust council will provide leadership and what changes it wants to happen

[0:35:31] Voice 11: and next steps for the process so we'll be put working towards a what we heard report to let

[0:35:36] Voice 11: everyone know the major themes that are emerging from everything we've heard and then trust council

[0:35:41] Voice 11: will contemplate further by-law amendments. Should the project proceed as planned,

[0:35:46] Voice 11: through the summer there would be, or early spring summer, there'd be consideration of second and

[0:35:50] Voice 11: third reading. The minister would receive the document and decide whether or not to offer

[0:35:55] Voice 11: approval. Should the minister decide to approve it, then Trust Council would contemplate a by-law

[0:36:01] Voice 11: adoption in the fall. This is a plan and so we'll see where this project goes through next steps

[0:36:07] Voice 11: here and

[0:36:09] Voice 10: that's it for the presentation thank

[0:36:13] Voice 3: you director freighter so i guess we can open

[0:36:17] Voice 3: the floor to questions and i see our crd directors all right let's join us with the aircraft

[0:36:33] Voice 4: this is part of our five months of consultation this meeting

[0:36:42] Voice 4: We know how the trust values service, which is that the results support what they want.

[0:36:48] Voice 4: They're great graphic. If not, there is this is self directed. I see this on our budget

[0:36:54] Voice 4: surveys.

[0:36:55] Voice 4: Not that any comments on the survey which staff, you know, rather than certain questions

[0:37:00] Voice 4: will be.

[0:37:03] Voice 4: I guess it's 30 minutes.

[0:37:04] Voice 4: session where events are being in January, midday, Thursday constitute most of our

[0:37:10] Voice 4: trust tells us this is our fourth iteration of constipation since 2019.

[0:37:23] Voice 4: And what's more, it didn't start five years ago, because constipation was a table set up at the

[0:37:31] Voice 4: Christmas market, with a cartoon effigy of a document that's supposed to look like we

[0:37:36] Voice 4: got a small statement. And people ask questions that have nothing to do with the policy statement.

[0:37:42] Voice 4: What we want today is a market-driven statement. As we've heard, the Minister of Municipal

[0:37:48] Voice 4: Affairs, who approves our by-law, has said, over the balance of character and office,

[0:37:53] Voice 4: and this is in it, I have a trust council to take particular care to ensure that engagement

[0:37:58] Voice 4: with the public and First Nations on the bylaws for me or Google included. The trust are

[0:38:08] Voice 4: in a manner that demonstrates mutual respect and bills for consensus. The minister demands

[0:38:15] Voice 4: a gauge that builds towards consensus, but the trust in its proper proclamations of the

[0:38:23] Voice 4: by staff, recently a couple of weeks ago on social media, and their consultation materials

[0:38:29] Voice 4: reiterated that they have no requirement to consult and engage other ones.

[0:38:34] Voice 4: This shows the misconduct between fiction and reality.

[0:38:39] Voice 4: Admittedly, the Trust engaged First Nations for nine months on this latest draft,

[0:38:43] Voice 4: way before we even saw it, provided funding for First Nations to do so, and actively sought

[0:38:50] Voice 4: the changes they wanted to the rust policies they had advocated for co-governance and other revisions

[0:38:57] Voice 4: i'm not being encouraged to recommend changes with comments on the trust intense past

[0:39:03] Voice 4: there are some elements of the grounds making my life some of which i don't

[0:39:10] Voice 4: however i have an overarching belief that the trust had neither the mandate knowledge the

[0:39:14] Voice 4: government structure or the capacity to deliver on this assembly but on its own this is based

[0:39:20] Voice 4: on 11 years as an active trustee probably every condition the trust is a land use planning agency

[0:39:28] Voice 4: by most independent ventures and effectively to the local housing your emphasis on

[0:39:35] Voice 4: it has been past the size of an organization of nearly 70 employees

[0:39:46] Voice 4: with an annual turnover rate of 0.5%, that has virtually no performance targets, and

[0:39:56] Voice 4: external reviews pointing to severely deficient governance.

[0:40:01] Voice 4: So why is governance important?

[0:40:03] Voice 4: Well, the trust is wholly undemocratic.

[0:40:06] Voice 4: Almost three quarters of the population have less than one quarter of the votes.

[0:40:11] Voice 4: For example, Salt Spring Island has the total population of the southern islands, but they

[0:40:18] Voice 4: have one-fifth the policies.

[0:40:21] Voice 4: Islands with 13% of the trust population command the majority of the votes.

[0:40:27] Voice 4: Why is this important?

[0:40:29] Voice 4: The trust executive elected by trustees, in a process acknowledged as law, are the archers

[0:40:36] Voice 4: of whether the bylaws comply with the policy statement.

[0:40:39] Voice 4: This law process, to both suit to a minority of our population, will dictate which violence

[0:40:46] Voice 4: proceed and which fail.

[0:40:48] Voice 4: If you don't think this is a problem, just look at the U.S. economy.

[0:40:53] Voice 4: At least that would require some relevant education.

[0:40:56] Voice 4: But the U.S. needs?

[0:40:57] Voice 4: Not so much.

[0:40:59] Voice 4: Do it separately.

[0:41:01] Voice 8: The new

[0:41:01] Voice 4: draft policy states that, for the millionth discretion of our local representatives,

[0:41:05] Voice 4: It is a 40% increase in directive policy.

[0:41:10] Voice 4: You shall, you must, reduction in advisory policies.

[0:41:17] Voice 4: You have had to be sure.

[0:41:18] Voice 4: This has more power to staff and headquarters of executive,

[0:41:22] Voice 4: who's interest we have .

[0:41:27] Voice 4: The draft policy statement means very highly

[0:41:29] Voice 4: to be guided by the truth and right

[0:41:33] Voice 4: and association in the convention

[0:41:34] Voice 8: of the United States

[0:41:35] Voice 4: recognition of the rights of indigenous people and missing murdered indigenous women and girls

[0:41:40] Voice 4: calls for justice and declaration of the rights of the people and from indigenous governments

[0:41:45] Voice 4: parties and the indigenous knowledge group this is proven with tall orders from bell staff

[0:41:51] Voice 4: provincial and federal ministries the trust is novice and the competency of the entire

[0:41:58] Voice 4: organization is the plan to identify the cycle the current price is over 12 million dollars

[0:42:03] Voice 4: The proposed new property tax increases this year are 13% of the property taxes,

[0:42:10] Voice 4: and over 34% of the property taxes.

[0:42:13] Voice 4: This is just the beginning of a recent asylum act, but this is a good idea.

[0:42:20] Voice 4: There's nothing wrong with taxes being split, but it's impossible.

[0:42:25] Voice 4: But the trust in this proposed policy is impossible.

[0:42:30] Voice 4: The trust has, and will, squander even more tax dollars,

[0:42:36] Voice 4: This is not

[0:42:38] Voice 4: the organization that needs capacity to implement reconciliation, but is no longer able to set up reconciliation.

[0:42:49] Voice 4: This draft is strong. It needs work. There's no justification to measure reconciliation during this term. Thanks.

[0:42:59] Voice 3: thank you director breakfast if anybody needs something prepared comments such as direct

[0:43:09] Voice 3: direct if you want to hand them in um at the meeting we can incorporate those into the

[0:43:13] Voice 3: feedback so um just in just your information the microphone is sitting there on top of the camera

[0:43:20] Voice 3: so if you're in the back of the room um we might just move the microphone a little closer to you

[0:43:25] Voice 3: something just to make it work maybe

[0:43:29] Voice 17: if you are sorry through the chair if you are in the back of

[0:43:34] Voice 17: the room um yeah you'll just have to either come closer or does this move to or or speak a little

[0:43:41] Voice 17: louder and a long a long submission like that uh as the chair said would be really helpful to

[0:43:49] Voice 17: receive in writing as well so staff can be able to digest that and make sure they get the minutes

[0:43:55] Voice 17: That's correct as well.

[0:43:56] Voice 17: Okay, thanks.

[0:43:57] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:43:58] Voice 17: So, Trustee Boland, you had your hand up.

[0:44:07] Voice 8: Trustee Boland?

[0:44:11] Voice 8: I

[0:44:12] Voice 14: think it's covered by Brad.

[0:44:14] Voice 14: I just wanted to ask that Paul and John both submit their text

[0:44:19] Voice 14: so that it can be incorporated in the minutes.

[0:44:22] Voice 14: And, indeed, thank you, Brad.

[0:44:24] Voice 14: If people could speak closer to the microphone,

[0:44:27] Voice 14: it would be excellent.

[0:44:28] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:44:31] Voice 3: Okay, thank you very much.

[0:44:32] Voice 3: okay next person wants to serve there thank you

[0:44:37] Voice 4: my name is wayne quinn 19 years of turner

[0:44:44] Voice 4: residence i've lived in a lot of places i can tell you a lot of things with paris for living

[0:44:49] Voice 4: for those of us who live on that you can understand that um i read the policy

[0:44:59] Voice 4: statement proposal some things i like and like paul there's a lot of things i didn't

[0:45:06] Voice 4: I think, frankly, when I look at what Saturn is and how it operates and what its heartbeat is, what its volunteerism is, and all the things that make this a great place to live, I can't understand the need to have 30 or 35 new would-be-nights, should-do, must-do things imposed on the way we do business.

[0:45:38] Voice 4: Twenty-seven years ago, I was hired as the Director of the Planetary Wildlife Trust.

[0:45:43] Voice 4: We had 28 staff.

[0:45:45] Voice 4: Our budget was less than $2 million.

[0:45:48] Voice 3: And for the time that I was there, I can honestly say that I didn't have a clue

[0:45:53] Voice 4: or had no appreciation for what it was like to live on an island.

[0:46:00] Voice 4: But here we were, a group of staff doing OCPs, land use bylaws, for the people on these islands.

[0:46:06] Voice 4: and you know I really didn't get it so the perspective I can offer here is interesting

[0:46:15] Voice 4: one I was a staff employee for a good number of years and now I've been a resident of Saterna

[0:46:23] Voice 4: for 19 years so I can tell you after absorbing the culture of Saterna Island I respectfully

[0:46:31] Voice 4: definitely sense a disconnect between what the island's trust are trying to do, whether

[0:46:39] Voice 4: they're doing it to make our life better, protect us more, whatever. I don't get it.

[0:46:46] Voice 4: I think there's a disconnect. And the reason I say that is because this island has a culture.

[0:46:56] Voice 4: It's a culture of diversity. There's lots of different opinions here on social, political

[0:47:01] Voice 4: issues, but I've never felt more comfortable in a living environment than we have here

[0:47:06] Voice 4: on Sturgeon.

[0:47:08] Voice 4: There is an incredibly high level of intellect, people pulling in a whole bunch of different

[0:47:15] Voice 4: directions to make things happen.

[0:47:18] Voice 4: The volunteerism on this island really is what makes this island a culture of peace.

[0:47:23] Voice 4: people who provide our volunteer fire services, people who provide our ambulance services.

[0:47:34] Voice 4: To use that word loosely, that's a whole different story.

[0:47:38] Voice 4: We have a winery here that is just a fantastic business from the standpoint of the people who are running it

[0:47:49] Voice 4: and the opportunity for employment and meeting people, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:47:55] Voice 4: In the old

[0:47:56] Voice 3: days, life was pretty simple.

[0:47:58] Voice 3: OCPs, land use bylaws, development permits.

[0:48:01] Voice 3: We had a division in the trust that was sort of focused on conservation efforts.

[0:48:08] Voice 4: And I'll admit it, things are more complicated today.

[0:48:11] Voice 4: Housing, climate,

[0:48:13] Voice 3: First Nations issues.

[0:48:15] Voice 3: those are things that we didn't have to deal with back then. But I took the soils class in university

[0:48:23] Voice 3: and one of the things was there was eight or ten,

[0:48:27] Voice 4: when you were examining soils, you ran through a

[0:48:30] Voice 4: series of sieves. And you know you had the big grade sieve for rocks and when you got to the

[0:48:38] Voice 4: bottom if you could push some silt through you were lucky. I'm kind of thinking the same way

[0:48:43] Voice 4: on a staff person trying to interpret these policy statements around somebody's

[0:48:50] Voice 3: um project on the

[0:48:52] Voice 3: island we're trying to get approvals and trying to push all this stuff down and i'm i'm almost

[0:48:57] Voice 4: certain that nothing is going to come out of the bottom of that city um you know in my time things

[0:49:03] Voice 4: kind of work with glacial speed i have a feeling that imply imposing all of this on the process

[0:49:10] Voice 4: process will stop glaciers, period. There'll be no speed at all. And so, you know, I just think

[0:49:23] Voice 4: you really, you really have to, you know, I go about my daily life, I don't even think of the

[0:49:29] Voice 4: Islands Trust, and I'm not even aware of anything that influences my daily living. What influences

[0:49:34] Voice 4: me is what the people around me do to make this island a greater place than it is.

[0:49:41] Voice 4: You know, I just think this is off the rails for the most part.

[0:49:46] Voice 4: I completed the survey.

[0:49:48] Voice 4: My comments are in there.

[0:49:49] Voice 4: You'll probably be able to identify them.

[0:49:51] Voice 4: But I think there's just a bit of overkill here.

[0:49:55] Voice 4: And I suggest

[0:49:57] Voice 3: to you, we look for simpler times so that the staff,

[0:50:01] Voice 4: you know, in evaluating things, have a clear and clean mind to be able to interpret.

[0:50:09] Voice 4: I can't imagine sitting down when you write this are given through the OCP and the land use bylaw, but then you have to apply 30 or 35 policies and one of them sticks. Does that mean everything shuts down?

[0:50:23] Voice 4: Anyway, I'm not a big fan of this and I'll just wrap it up. Thank you.

[0:50:28] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:50:31] Voice 4: Next person.

[0:50:42] Voice 4: So maybe you just want

[0:50:43] Voice 17: to step forward, John, just so that you

[0:50:45] Voice 17: can start to adjust. You can catch the microphone and Claire

[0:50:49] Voice 17: and us people and hear you.

[0:50:52] Voice 4: I would like to call this statement. I agree pretty much

[0:50:59] Voice 4: totally with what he said. This process has been going on for

[0:51:04] Voice 4: very long time. One of the problems I have is you almost have to be a lawyer to read

[0:51:12] Voice 4: through this stuff and at the end of the day make any sense about what the end result will be.

[0:51:19] Voice 4: And I have a huge problem with that because I don't think that a lot of people even

[0:51:26] Voice 4: try to become part of the process because they feel that they can get nothing real out of it

[0:51:33] Voice 4: And they have no real influence to it, some of Paul's statements, and I agree with that.

[0:51:40] Voice 4: But I think I look back at the 70s when I was first appointed trustee in the old Islands Trust configuration, which has drastically changed.

[0:51:56] Voice 4: I was one of the three provincial representatives.

[0:52:00] Voice 4: It's Island Trust, local trust committees were tasked with looking after local business.

[0:52:09] Voice 4: The extra trustees were there to look after the provincial interest.

[0:52:17] Voice 4: But what has happened over time, in my opinion, is that it's become harder and harder for local trustees to do what is right for their communities.

[0:52:29] Voice 4: communities. And it seems to me from what reading I have done of the changes is that at the end of

[0:52:36] Voice 4: the day, the executive, the council, whatever name you wish to put to them, I think will have

[0:52:42] Voice 4: the total ability to override any local trust committee, whether they will or will not, I guess

[0:52:50] Voice 4: is up to whoever they are. But having said that, I think they will have that right. And I think

[0:52:56] Voice 4: that is the end of the islands as we know it. I have been here since 1944, and I've seen changes,

[0:53:06] Voice 4: but as William said, this island runs because of the volunteer nature of it, and

[0:53:14] Voice 4: if we don't recognize local community to a greater extent than it appears that it will

[0:53:24] Voice 4: be recognized, I think we'll all suffer from it. That's probably enough for me with one exception.

[0:53:34] Voice 4: I am hearing impaired. I have the best hearing aids that are available to me but I have almost

[0:53:44] Voice 4: given up coming to these meetings because the synthesized effect of half of the people we're

[0:53:51] Voice 4: listening to is totally and completely out of my ability to understand i can hear the people

[0:53:58] Voice 4: i can look at the people and i can help with some lip reading but and i understand it's a

[0:54:06] Voice 4: cost saving it's a lot of things but from the point of view of an older person many of whom i

[0:54:13] Voice 4: see in this room i think suffer from the same problem as i do is you can't hear a damn thing

[0:54:20] Voice 4: you don't really know what's going on, and at the end of the day, you just opt out because of that.

[0:54:26] Voice 4: I don't know what you can do, but I would hope that you could do something to help those people

[0:54:34] Voice 4: that have an issue. Thank you.

[0:54:37] Voice 9: My name

[0:54:43] Voice 7: is Priscilla Newbench. Since we're doing genealogies

[0:54:47] Voice 7: and things. I came in May of

[0:54:49] Voice 7: 1970, and I have

[0:54:51] Voice 7: greatly appreciated

[0:54:52] Voice 7: the Islands Trust

[0:54:54] Voice 7: for many things.

[0:54:56] Voice 7: And one

[0:54:59] Voice 7: of those is recognizing

[0:55:00] Voice 7: as has been subsequently

[0:55:02] Voice 7: deeply proven

[0:55:04] Voice 7: by our increase in

[0:55:06] Voice 7: the three ecologists that arrived here

[0:55:09] Voice 7: with Parks Canada, and

[0:55:10] Voice 7: in general, the scientific work that goes

[0:55:13] Voice 7: on is

[0:55:14] Voice 7: not only a stunning beauty,

[0:55:16] Voice 7: but the absolute uniqueness of the number of plants and animal species that make their lives

[0:55:23] Voice 7: here and for me to have um having grown up in southern california where things up for sale

[0:55:30] Voice 7: and seeing the destruction of pretty much the entire amount of land there just kind of like

[0:55:39] Voice 7: i don't know you guys were here in the 70s and you drove down uh king's way and there was

[0:55:44] Voice 7: absolutely no zoning, no bylaws. It's whatever appeared. And there are some overarching

[0:55:56] Voice 7: regulatory, I would say, abilities that have preserved and protected so much of what we

[0:56:06] Voice 7: deeply appreciate here. So a couple of things that I would like to say is that I deeply appreciate

[0:56:12] Voice 7: that for the people that are here and for those of us who arrived in the 70s the chance

[0:56:18] Voice 7: to participate in setting up our regulatory bylaw that was pretty much agreed upon by

[0:56:24] Voice 7: a lot of people. I don't think Don here is working on it a lot and the fact that it came

[0:56:31] Voice 7: that it issued from us forward the original community plans that we had was stunning.

[0:56:38] Voice 7: each of the islands with Skidi, Quadra, all those islands they're all different

[0:56:45] Voice 7: and they are all full of people like us. They are full of people who run their

[0:56:50] Voice 7: own fire departments, who volunteer deeply. I couldn't believe it the first time I

[0:56:55] Voice 7: heard somebody from Pender say, I got off on Pender and I knew I'd arrived home.

[0:56:59] Voice 7: What, Pender? You're kidding me. To me, to determine a home and each of

[0:57:04] Voice 7: those people on the

[0:57:05] Voice 7: islands they are vibrant communities each of them and i think part of that is the autonomy that we

[0:57:11] Voice 7: have experienced part of it is the generosity of the beauty and the wildness that we all live with

[0:57:17] Voice 7: and to me that's critical and i have appreciated uh the trust efforts on that behalf uh whether

[0:57:25] Voice 7: or not it is through the the trust conservancy i think a lot of us also through works canada

[0:57:32] Voice 7: has been helped to see

[0:57:34] Voice 7: and to understand that we are

[0:57:36] Voice 7: on a specific migration route.

[0:57:38] Voice 7: There are a number of incredible things.

[0:57:40] Voice 7: 82% of the biodiversity

[0:57:42] Voice 7: of Canada is right here

[0:57:44] Voice 7: in this area that goes up.

[0:57:46] Voice 7: I think it's Quadra

[0:57:48] Voice 7: not Quadra

[0:57:50] Voice 7: and Cortez isn't in

[0:57:52] Voice 7: the Conservancy, but it's about there

[0:57:54] Voice 7: where it ends. And we are

[0:57:56] Voice 7: privileged. And I have

[0:57:58] Voice 7: deeply appreciated that

[0:58:00] Voice 7: the, our

[0:58:02] Voice 7: Our official community plan, as far as I'm concerned, belongs to us.

[0:58:06] Voice 7: We created it.

[0:58:07] Voice 7: Those people went through there, created it at the time.

[0:58:11] Voice 7: I have probably, because of what British Columbia has done,

[0:58:18] Voice 7: my understanding of First Nations through UNDRIP, through Adam Olson representing us,

[0:58:25] Voice 7: we have a real chance to be on the forefront of that.

[0:58:28] Voice 7: I don't know

[0:58:29] Voice 7: if this particular document can handle reconciliation.

[0:58:36] Voice 7: Reconciliation is a lot about education.

[0:58:39] Voice 7: It's a lot about understanding.

[0:58:40] Voice 7: It's a lot about changing a lot of deep concepts and perceptions.

[0:58:44] Voice 7: And I wonder if the capacity of this particular vehicle to do that.

[0:58:53] Voice 7: my experience has been that most of the conversations with Parks Canada and with

[0:59:00] Voice 7: other bodies has been separate with First Nations than it has been with the

[0:59:06] Voice 7: people who are living with the islands. I think that's a problem. We're not in

[0:59:10] Voice 7: conversation and that is that creates a lot of difficulty. I don't know what's

[0:59:16] Voice 7: happening with 100 but I sense that there's there's problems with that and I

[0:59:23] Voice 7: I don't know if our vehicle for land use, zoning,

[0:59:27] Voice 7: all those things has the capacity

[0:59:30] Voice 7: to carry this educational, I wouldn't call it a burden,

[0:59:35] Voice 7: I would call it progress.

[0:59:37] Voice 7: And I was so surprised given the conversations

[0:59:41] Voice 7: that we have had that we didn't know more about this

[0:59:46] Voice 7: or I'm the only one who was surprised

[0:59:48] Voice 7: but then when I opened it up and looked at it,

[0:59:50] Voice 7: I don't understand what goal management means in a sense.

[0:59:54] Voice 7: We elect trustees and these people run in each of our small island communities.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: communities and so i don't am i ready to share i don't know what i'm sharing i'm sharing some

[1:00:05] Voice 7: sort of authority or or what to me it's not clear in what i've read and i i need to be more clearly

[1:00:12] Voice 7: informed about that um parks canada has informed us that not first nations are co-management

[1:00:18] Voice 7: 50 percent of saturn it is under parks jurisdiction i don't know what that means we've never met with

[1:00:26] Voice 7: with any of the local First Nations.

[1:00:28] Voice 7: So I don't know, I can kind of guess what's important,

[1:00:31] Voice 7: but how is it going to play out?

[1:00:32] Voice 7: And I think that's fairly critical.

[1:00:34] Voice 7: The land use bylaw for Saturna, as far as I'm concerned,

[1:00:38] Voice 7: belongs to us.

[1:00:40] Voice 7: And I am not interested in policy directives

[1:00:44] Voice 7: that come down with, and that we are expected to follow.

[1:00:48] Voice 7: To me, that is, without having input on that,

[1:00:54] Voice 7: it feels like we're losing,

[1:00:55] Voice 7: to me i feel like i am losing a very critical sense of of ownership in a way i'm not talking

[1:01:03] Voice 7: about land ownership that we everybody can read our own land use bylaw they can understand why

[1:01:09] Voice 7: it was zoned in certain ways they can see some of the ways that we were hoping to go

[1:01:14] Voice 7: um that that's that's key to have to have autonomy over the things that you actually live with

[1:01:24] Voice 7: and so that is my concern about this i don't feel adequately um a part of this process and yet it

[1:01:35] Voice 7: will influence my store a number of decisions and i care about that i part of the deep involvement

[1:01:45] Voice 7: that people feel on their own small islands is that we have a lot of autonomy we decide how

[1:01:51] Voice 7: things are going to go in many ways and that involves thousands of dollars sometimes. A lot

[1:01:56] Voice 7: of responsibility, real responsibility comes for us. The fact that we can save lives because we

[1:02:02] Voice 7: have CERN, we have incredible volunteers, that's keenly important and it makes CETURNA our own.

[1:02:10] Voice 7: And I am deeply grateful for the opportunity that in 1973 occurred when the NDP government said,

[1:02:20] Voice 7: I said, you guys come up with a plan, and then we will show you some ways in which it needs to be organized.

[1:02:27] Voice 7: To me, that was working together.

[1:02:28] Voice 7: It was very coherent.

[1:02:30] Voice 7: I care a lot about the trees and the wildlife and the whales and all those things that give me pleasure every day of my life.

[1:02:40] Voice 7: And I want to see them preserved and protected.

[1:02:43] Voice 7: I understand what it means to preserve and protect the amenities of this area.

[1:02:48] Voice 7: And I deeply believe in that.

[1:02:51] Voice 7: and thank you thank

[1:02:53] Voice 9: you anybody else i'm

[1:03:01] Voice 15: gonna be really short because everybody has basically

[1:03:04] Voice 15: said everything that i that i think i'm i'm basically following up on priscilla's point

[1:03:11] Voice 15: my name is eva haig um engagement and dave is smiling because we have we have a history of

[1:03:19] Voice 15: talking about BC Ferris engagement.

[1:03:21] Voice 15: BC Ferris was raked over the coals

[1:03:23] Voice 15: for not doing a proper engagement.

[1:03:26] Voice 15: Well, I'd say Ireland's trust engagement is flawed.

[1:03:32] Voice 15: What we got with the survey is basically seeking feedback.

[1:03:39] Voice 15: It was not involving us in developing the policy statement.

[1:03:44] Voice 15: And that's what I'm hearing Priscilla is saying,

[1:03:47] Voice 15: is that we don't know what it means

[1:03:50] Voice 15: because nobody has told us or asked us.

[1:03:55] Voice 15: First Nations got nine months of consultation

[1:03:58] Voice 15: and the First Nations part of the policy statement

[1:04:02] Voice 15: is well-developed.

[1:04:04] Voice 15: The rest isn't.

[1:04:05] Voice 15: So that would be my urge

[1:04:09] Voice 15: that the engagement needs to be improved

[1:04:12] Voice 15: because it has not followed the minister's desire

[1:04:15] Voice 15: for deep engagement.

[1:04:17] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:04:26] Voice 8: I have

[1:04:27] Voice 7: one more thing to suggest I filled out that with my dubious skills on the computer

[1:04:35] Voice 7: I did not fill out that survey that that came out that was you know speaking to a computer

[1:04:41] Voice 7: it's not my experience of living on and I feel so deeply about this I find that form of engagement

[1:04:47] Voice 7: to be almost insulting these are the people i live with i have so much appreciated you i've

[1:04:54] Voice 7: appreciated brad smith but i deal with the engagement day to day that this is what islanders

[1:04:59] Voice 7: deal with old people young people dying people our kids and this i i see how difficult this must be

[1:05:08] Voice 7: but it doesn't you don't get you can't get who we are and what we want which is as diverse as

[1:05:15] Voice 7: every single female being here but when i go about that um you know and do you like this

[1:05:21] Voice 7: count from one to ten then do you like this and do you like this i just scrapped that crap and

[1:05:26] Voice 7: went to the can where it said your comments i said this doesn't this isn't an engagement

[1:05:32] Voice 7: your questions i can see the answer you want for every single one of them it's not hard it never

[1:05:38] Voice 7: is with those surveys it has to be i would love to have to talk with claire frader claire i would

[1:05:46] Voice 7: love to see you here i i appreciate your work you've been here for so long and i would really

[1:05:51] Voice 7: like to hear what you have to say and that is the way that i am able to work with something

[1:05:56] Voice 7: thank you thank

[1:05:57] Voice 4: you um i made most of my points that i felt relevant uh in the town hall i too

[1:06:04] Voice 4: Two, did not fill out the survey.

[1:06:06] Voice 4: I could not.

[1:06:07] Voice 4: The survey was designed in a manner of which I was unable.

[1:06:13] Voice 4: I either had to say no to everything.

[1:06:16] Voice 4: Some of it I liked.

[1:06:17] Voice 4: Some I didn't.

[1:06:19] Voice 4: Toss it out.

[1:06:19] Voice 4: It was really flawed.

[1:06:21] Voice 4: It still is flawed.

[1:06:23] Voice 4: It's overreaching.

[1:06:24] Voice 4: It's trying to do too much.

[1:06:27] Voice 4: And that's not what these islands are about.

[1:06:29] Voice 4: These islands are about us.

[1:06:32] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:06:35] Voice 3: Anybody else?

[1:06:36] Voice 3: supposed to speak absolutely

[1:06:41] Voice 5: yeah thank you thanks everyone for coming it's crucially important that

[1:06:45] Voice 5: we we get to hear what you have to say on this topic because i have been questioned why did

[1:06:51] Voice 5: the group of trust council trustees council give this policy statement first reading we at the time

[1:06:59] Voice 5: felt it was really the only way to kind of highlight its importance for feedback from

[1:07:04] Voice 5: the public and get it out there and i think it's done that and you know i i was very concerned

[1:07:10] Voice 5: about first reading and that the stamp of approval it may or may not give uh to a draft policy

[1:07:19] Voice 5: statement but for us as trustees and uh while i work together for two terms this is my third term

[1:07:27] Voice 5: We've been in the trustee for almost 12 years now, and this is the second time the policy

[1:07:33] Voice 5: statement has come around in our tenureship.

[1:07:37] Voice 5: It's only possible to give strong and directed feedback when you have the voice of your community

[1:07:45] Voice 5: behind you.

[1:07:45] Voice 5: So until you have that, it's basically the opinion of one 26-member council that is just

[1:07:53] Voice 5: and notorious for devolving into a disputation and and disharmony no sense

[1:08:00] Voice 9: and

[1:08:02] Voice 5: um and and so

[1:08:04] Voice 5: you know this is excellent this is um exactly what's needed and and we've drawn the line here

[1:08:10] Voice 5: um conceptually between what does the local trust committee do and what does local trust committee

[1:08:16] Voice 5: represent to islanders versus what does the islands trust as a corporate body representing

[1:08:22] Voice 5: presenting 13 local trust areas do and and I'm hearing that this statement if it references

[1:08:29] Voice 5: accurately the the corporate body it's a message that's somewhat alienate alienating from us here

[1:08:37] Voice 5: at a local trust level and that's an important message that's an important thing to receive I

[1:08:42] Voice 5: think I've you know with Paul we were we put in on off not not you know timing but we put in an

[1:08:49] Voice 5: an awful lot of time for the government's reform at the Islanders Trust, working at

[1:08:54] Voice 5: the Trust Council level, and it effectively resulted in, you know, I have to admit this

[1:09:00] Voice 5: to myself, nothing at all.

[1:09:03] Voice 5: And so I now reflect on what can we do at the local trust committee level that's meaningful

[1:09:11] Voice 5: and impactful for Islanders, but recognizing that places like Salt Spring Island have huge

[1:09:18] Voice 5: social issues that they're looking to the Islands Trust to solve and my concern is the Islands Trust

[1:09:24] Voice 5: may be pulled in that direction to try to solve issues that I'm not sure can but at the same time

[1:09:31] Voice 5: we here where we live a relatively benign and self-reliant lifestyle are going to be affected

[1:09:37] Voice 5: by policy decisions designed to rescue the larger communities so we need to be vigilant in all areas

[1:09:44] Voice 5: In particular, if a policy statement like this, despite all good intentions, can perhaps override our will at the local level.

[1:09:55] Voice 5: So, you know, please do keep speaking up. It's very important.

[1:10:00] Voice 5: It gives myself and Murray the ability to represent that at the council table and what we can do here at the local level as per John's suggestion in regards to motion.

[1:10:12] Voice 5: motion so I just want to say thank you very much it's been perhaps more important than you realize

[1:10:16] Voice 5: to have come out here and spoken the way you have thank

[1:10:20] Voice 7: you absolutely uh you guys decided

[1:10:24] Voice 7: or some people decided that you didn't want to support the local papers so you were going to

[1:10:28] Voice 7: go to digital and do that um I

[1:10:31] Voice 7: get the Driftwood regularly comes into the store um the Driftwood

[1:10:36] Voice 7: but Policy Statement Session draws crowds.

[1:10:40] Voice 7: Every single mandate non-negotiable.

[1:10:45] Voice 7: This local paper printed on Salt Spring

[1:10:50] Voice 7: is a very

[1:10:51] Voice 7: valuable resource.

[1:10:53] Voice 7: If you are interested in this process,

[1:10:56] Voice 7: because I don't see the information coming from anywhere else.

[1:10:59] Voice 7: Salt Spring is a different island, but Salt Spring is an island.

[1:11:03] Voice 7: My daughter lives there, and they work for a lot of the same things that we do.

[1:11:07] Voice 7: This is a valuable resource.

[1:11:10] Voice 7: We used to have all the ties.

[1:11:12] Voice 7: It was an individual effort by a woman who was deeply committed to small-town communication

[1:11:19] Voice 7: and represented the out-of-vail violence.

[1:11:23] Voice 7: We don't have that anymore.

[1:11:24] Voice 7: But this allows conversation.

[1:11:28] Voice 7: There's a great spread of people talking.

[1:11:31] Voice 7: I'm so sorry that you decided that that was too expensive and not possible to maintain, because it's the type of information and exchange of ideas.

[1:11:43] Voice 7: It's very critical in small communities, and I appreciate it deeply.

[1:11:47] Voice 7: You were talking about how can we get information out and people have a broader perspective.

[1:11:52] Voice 7: It's small-town newspapers like that that help the conversation and the comprehension

[1:11:58] Voice 7: and the education deeply.

[1:12:00] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:12:01] Voice 3: And just to get a slightly off topic, the decision of House Trust to deviate from the

[1:12:10] Voice 3: barefoot was to allow more access to local populations because yes, you get the barefoot

[1:12:18] Voice 3: off on Saturday.

[1:12:19] Voice 3: We don't get it on May.

[1:12:21] Voice 3: They don't get it on the Penders.

[1:12:22] Voice 3: they don't get it. So we had oftentimes, and I think I will defer to a regional director

[1:12:30] Voice 3: called Brett. There was a referendum a few years ago on CRD docs. It was a full page

[1:12:39] Voice 3: ad from the Griffith. It was one of these negative things you had to write in your lab

[1:12:47] Voice 3: of support. They received from the Southern Gulf Islands three responses to that taxation

[1:12:53] Voice 3: because nobody knew about it. So what we're doing is, yes, we're using the default things

[1:13:02] Voice 3: like Facebook and the Alistair's website to do proper legal advertising. They're all

[1:13:08] Voice 3: sending local trust committees to advertise the discovery. So you'll notice that there's

[1:13:14] Voice 3: more advertisement than the discovery from your local trust committee. We're doing the

[1:13:17] Voice 3: same independent posts the mainliner um all the local publications are getting a lot more

[1:13:24] Voice 3: contributions in advertising because we're allowed to use that as a more local venue

[1:13:30] Voice 3: um and certainly we are advertising lots in the in the river um but it but um we did promise

[1:13:36] Voice 3: the chance of legislation to allow our legal notices to go over different formats

[1:13:42] Voice 3: and that's what we're trying to do is reach people i

[1:13:44] Voice 4: will add to that because i agree with

[1:13:46] Voice 4: David, the real change was that we had a requirement to advertise in tax columns, which was extremely

[1:13:53] Voice 4: expensive, and no requirement to advertise in smaller, smaller papers.

[1:13:58] Voice 4: So the idea, the emphasis was to probably support people in a majority way without spending

[1:14:04] Voice 4: a lot of money.

[1:14:05] Voice 4: You were right about Apple in the past about, for instance, the small harbors where we had

[1:14:13] Voice 4: had a performance that was fairly substantial and only three people responded mainly because

[1:14:18] Voice 4: that increase was in the tax office that was what we were legislating to do it had to be a

[1:14:26] Voice 4: paper of frequency right and the only one around here is the tax call on the side

[1:14:34] Voice 4: you're right so anyway does

[1:14:38] Voice 3: anybody else have anything else um i noticed that uh

[1:14:41] Voice 3: Trustee Vaughan has her hand up.

[1:14:43] Voice 3: So we'll hand over to Trustee Vaughan.

[1:14:47] Voice 14: Yeah, I just wanted to express my appreciation

[1:14:49] Voice 14: for everybody who spoke here today.

[1:14:53] Voice 14: It's been quite moving and very clear.

[1:14:57] Voice 14: I haven't heard a single person

[1:14:59] Voice 14: who supported the trust policy statement

[1:15:02] Voice 14: in its current form.

[1:15:04] Voice 14: Although there are,

[1:15:07] Voice 14: I'd say everybody in the room

[1:15:08] Voice 14: supports the trust in a general sense.

[1:15:11] Voice 14: and the general work of the trust and the way it has been run in the past with you know the

[1:15:18] Voice 14: saturn ocp and lub's so there's something fundamentally wrong with the trust policy

[1:15:24] Voice 14: statement i actually became involved in the trust matters as a consequence of the first

[1:15:31] Voice 14: you know draft and the budgets about six years ago or more and at that time i tried to do the

[1:15:40] Voice 14: survey that was issued and I found it extremely difficult because as Priscilla pointed out

[1:15:46] Voice 14: it's sort of like asking questions which are do you agree with the fact that ABC so you were

[1:15:54] Voice 14: constantly feeling like you were being herded down a kind of a path and was difficult to actually

[1:16:01] Voice 14: really express how you felt about anything in particular so but I'm hearing everything in the

[1:16:09] Voice 14: Thank you for the turnout. Thank you for everything all of you have said.

[1:16:15] Voice 14: I think we need to sit down and we need to really reflect.

[1:16:19] Voice 14: I personally feel that the effort to execute reconciliation with First Nations the way we're doing it is flawed.

[1:16:34] Voice 14: Lord, I've raised this in the past because I see the number of First Nations who are and, you know,

[1:16:43] Voice 14: we should engage with within the trust area as a significant number.

[1:16:48] Voice 14: And we yet, you know, there are engagements and there are meetings,

[1:16:54] Voice 14: but we are not aware of them or what is really discussed other than very peripherally.

[1:17:00] Voice 14: and I think that creates division and I while I support the the general effort

[1:17:10] Voice 14: there's also the fact that the provincial strategy is effectively in ruins for the moment

[1:17:16] Voice 14: and that I feel we should not go ahead until that's clear and a lot of responsibility has

[1:17:23] Voice 14: been downloaded to us without legislative authority or financial support to execute it

[1:17:29] Voice 14: properly. So I really feel strongly about that element. So thank you for the opportunity to

[1:17:36] Voice 14: speak and thank you all for everybody who came today. And thank you, Clare, for stepping into

[1:17:41] Voice 14: Jason's shoes. It's always a bit of a tricky thing to do, although you're so experienced in this

[1:17:48] Voice 14: matter. I'm sure it was fairly seamless. And thank you.

[1:17:53] Voice 3: Thank you, Trustee Vaughan. And I guess for

[1:17:55] Voice 3: for a conclusionary statement,

[1:17:56] Voice 3: we'll go to Director Frey.

[1:17:58] Voice 10: Thank you, Chair.

[1:18:00] Voice 10: Thank you,

[1:18:00] Voice 11: Saterna community.

[1:18:02] Voice 11: We've been, I've been listening

[1:18:04] Voice 11: to the extent that I could

[1:18:05] Voice 11: to all the feedback provided.

[1:18:07] Voice 11: I will just say I'm available

[1:18:09] Voice 11: and so is Jason Newmans.

[1:18:11] Voice 11: If you'd like to call us

[1:18:13] Voice 11: at the Victoria office

[1:18:14] Voice 11: to talk to about the policy statement,

[1:18:17] Voice 11: we're available to you.

[1:18:18] Voice 11: Even if we can't make it over to Saterna

[1:18:20] Voice 11: in a timely way to speak with you one-on-one,

[1:18:22] Voice 11: we could always have a Zoom meeting

[1:18:23] Voice 11: or have a conversation.

[1:18:25] Voice 11: What I would suggest, if you have feedback or concerns with the current draft, giving

[1:18:29] Voice 11: specifics as to which policy you don't like, how it could be changed, and why is really

[1:18:35] Voice 11: constructive and useful to your trustees, rather than it doesn't feel like a fit for

[1:18:39] Voice 11: Saterna.

[1:18:40] Voice 11: Being able to give them, you know, give your trustees some specifics is really useful.

[1:18:44] Voice 11: And you can also, you can give that, of course, to any of your trustees one-on-one, but you

[1:18:48] Voice 11: You can also provide it directly to Trust Council by emailing islands2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[1:18:55] Voice 11: If you found the survey challenging, you can send in an email with your feedback.

[1:18:59] Voice 11: And as I suggest, making your comments as specific as possible is really the most useful thing.

[1:19:05] Voice 11: So with that, thank you. It's always a pleasure. The Saterna community has always welcomed me there so warmly.

[1:19:09] Voice 11: I have such fond memories of visits and many meetings over the years.

[1:19:13] Voice 11: So it's a pleasure to join you virtually today.

[1:19:15] Voice 11: and I'm available and we are available for questions and support as needed to the community

[1:19:21] Voice 11: as you work through the document and how it might be applied and what your vision is and

[1:19:25] Voice 11: the love of Saturna is palpable today how can we help you sustain the island in a way that you

[1:19:30] Voice 11: cherish into the future so thank you thank

[1:19:35] Voice 3: you okay so that will conclude our policy statement

[1:19:44] Voice 3: So our next thing is the East Point water wetland information.

[1:19:51] Voice 3: Would you like to take a quick break?

[1:19:53] Voice 8: Yes.

[1:19:53] Voice 3: Okay, so let's take, say, five minutes?

[1:19:57] Voice 3: Is that enough?

[1:19:58] Voice 3: Ten minutes?

[1:19:59] Voice 3: Five minutes?

[1:20:00] Voice 3: Five minutes done.

[1:20:02] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:20:08] Voice 8: All righty, we'll come back into things here.

[1:29:53] Voice 7: So we don't need this anymore, right?

[1:29:55] Voice 8: Yes, we do.

[1:30:00] Voice 3: pictures for you. The

[1:30:05] Voice 4: most

[1:30:17] Voice 17: stressful part of my job is honestly

[1:30:22] Voice 17: seriously the rest is cake at this point. But every time you sweat because technology is

[1:30:54] Voice 9: All

[1:31:02] Voice 8: right, it's a nice shade of blue, it's a beautiful shade,

[1:31:10] Voice 3: all right, all right, all

[1:31:15] Voice 3: and all right okay great are

[1:31:20] Voice 17: you moving yeah through the chair i can speak first

[1:31:23] Voice 17: absolutely oh yeah so thank you this is a community information meeting for the eastland

[1:31:30] Voice 17: east point wetland proposal at 105 cliffside road that most of you are familiar with obviously

[1:31:39] Voice 17: it's great to see so many community members out at this meeting to learn more about the proposal

[1:31:45] Voice 17: proposal from the property owner I haven't met uh Donna hi Donna nice to meet you I'm Brad my name

[1:31:52] Voice 17: is Brad Smith I'm the island planner for Saturn Island I support the local trust committee and

[1:31:58] Voice 17: the work of the elected officials and moving their agendas uh forward and advancing uh applications

[1:32:05] Voice 17: rezoning applications development permits uh development uh variance permits as well as

[1:32:12] Voice 17: as well as supporting the projects

[1:32:14] Voice 17: of the Local Trust Committee

[1:32:15] Voice 17: and the work that they do to move forward

[1:32:19] Voice 17: advancing interests of the community.

[1:32:21] Voice 17: And so today I'm just going to speak quickly

[1:32:26] Voice 17: through some overview slides

[1:32:28] Voice 17: around the role of the Islands Trust

[1:32:30] Voice 17: and some specifics of the property.

[1:32:33] Voice 17: And then my colleague with the Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:32:38] Voice 17: will jump over to Zoom.

[1:32:39] Voice 17: So please bear with us with the technological leaps here, but we'll do that.

[1:32:46] Voice 17: And then she'll just walk through some slides from the Islands Trust Conservancy perspective as the proposal has a Islands Trust Conservancy covenant proposal, potentially.

[1:33:02] Voice 17: And then we'll pass it over to Peter and Donna and they can speak to their application in more detail.

[1:33:08] Voice 17: we'll put your map up on the screen and yeah all right so like I said I'll just speak quickly

[1:33:18] Voice 17: then Catherine and the Stoltings is that correct the Stoltings and then questions and answers and

[1:33:25] Voice 17: really today's goal is to provide additional information to the community to answer any

[1:33:29] Voice 17: questions you may have so

[1:33:31] Voice 1: it's really intended

[1:33:31] Voice 17: to be a community information meeting whereas

[1:33:34] where

[1:33:34] Voice 17: it's questions and answers.

[1:33:35] Voice 17: There'll be lots of opportunities

[1:33:37] Voice 17: for having your perspectives

[1:33:38] Voice 17: and whether you think it's a great idea or not,

[1:33:42] Voice 17: I think it would be really more effective today

[1:33:46] Voice 17: if we could just focus on learning more

[1:33:48] Voice 17: and then going away and going for that.

[1:33:52] Voice 17: Does that make sense?

[1:33:53] Voice 17: Thank you for that.

[1:33:55] Voice 17: So the role of the Islands Trust, many of you know,

[1:33:57] Voice 17: but it's to provide the land use planning service

[1:33:59] Voice 17: for the Gulf Islands.

[1:34:01] Voice 17: this includes establishing

[1:34:05] Voice 17: use and density provisions

[1:34:07] Voice 17: through OCPs and bylaws to change zoning

[1:34:09] Voice 17: on a property, a rezoning process

[1:34:11] Voice 17: must occur

[1:34:12] Voice 17: rezoning is typically applicant driven

[1:34:15] Voice 17: or sometimes is led by the LTC

[1:34:17] Voice 17: through projects

[1:34:19] Voice 17: LTCs have broad discretion in regards

[1:34:21] Voice 17: to rezoning decisions

[1:34:23] Voice 17: and LTCs can seek

[1:34:25] Voice 17: community amenities in exchange

[1:34:27] Voice 17: for rezoning. It's

[1:34:28] Voice 4: just kind of a broad

[1:34:29] Voice 4: overview of

[1:34:30] Voice 4: what we do

[1:34:39] Voice 16: The

[1:34:39] Voice 17: property description. So 105 Cliffside Road is a 13.4 hectare property. It's zoned

[1:34:47] Voice 17: rural general, just in terms of the proposal and the lot sizes in the rural general zoning.

[1:34:55] Voice 17: The minimum rural general lot size is 0.81 hectares and the minimum average is 2.02 hectares.

[1:35:01] Voice 17: So you can see the next bullet there, just a calculation of the potential subdivision potential of that lot.

[1:35:12] Voice 17: As per the next bullet, it didn't have a restrictive covenant, a Section 219 Land Title Act covenant held by the LTC that prohibits further subdivision.

[1:35:23] Voice 17: So that covenant dates from 1995.

[1:35:27] Voice 16: Many

[1:35:28] Voice 17: of you probably know the history better than I,

[1:35:30] Voice 17: but essentially it restricts the subdivision of that property

[1:35:33] Voice 17: and the adjacent property that you'll see in the next map to three,

[1:35:38] Voice 17: and that other lot has the two subdivision potentials.

[1:35:41] Voice 17: So really this lot is restricted to just the current dwelling that it has

[1:35:47] Voice 17: based on that covenant.

[1:35:50] Voice 17: And so there's property, the property boundaries to the left here, with the satellite imagery.

[1:35:59] Voice 17: And we can let Peter talk more to his maps and these images later on in terms of the

[1:36:05] Voice 17: features there.

[1:36:05] Voice 17: But then, and then this is the zoning map.

[1:36:08] Voice 17: And so this whole section here, both of these parcels are zoned rural general, as are all

[1:36:15] Voice 17: of these lots above here.

[1:36:18] Voice 17: And if you have questions, let's just advance through these slides and through the presentation

[1:36:25] Voice 17: and then I think it'd be best if we just have a discussion after that. I think that's easiest.

[1:36:31] Voice 17: So just ecosystem mapping, so the Islands Trust ecosystem mapping, not super easy to see but you

[1:36:36] Voice 17: can see on the lot this aligns with Peter's wetland mapping that we'll jump to in a second

[1:36:43] Voice 1: here

[1:36:43] Voice 17: you do have riparian wetland ecosystem as well as this nice band of mature forest

[1:36:49] Voice 17: up through the property here some nice large mature trees through there as well

[1:36:57] Voice 17: so this is just wording from the Stoltings in terms of how they have described their

[1:37:05] Voice 17: application I mean I'll just leave it there for you to read

[1:37:09] Voice 17: and you're

[1:37:10] Voice 4: going to speak to that

[1:37:11] Voice 17: Okay, perfect.

[1:37:12] Voice 17: Yeah. So rather than speak for you, I thought it'd just be better to put you. And I thought this was just really nice subjectively worded in terms of really kind of describing what they want, and they can speak more to that.

[1:37:24] Voice 17: Here's just a quick map of the proposal. And you can kind of see from the previous slide that we looked at, that's quite a bit of overlap with those sensitive ecosystems in those areas.

[1:37:34] Voice 7: Can you explain that a little bit better? There's a lot of detail.

[1:37:37] Voice 7: Yeah,

[1:37:38] Voice 17: so just quickly, this is a map that the property owner has had prepared by a professional biologist identifying sensitive ecosystems, some logical boundaries around those ecosystems based on the ecosystem characteristics, and has provided a bunch of notes and comments for the property owner to better understand a proposal coming forward.

[1:38:04] Voice 17: And so just this yellow area, well, I'll let you speak to that.

[1:38:09] Voice 17: I'll figure that out.

[1:38:10] Voice 17: But yeah,

[1:38:11] Voice 17: so that's the thing where this map comes from, is a professional biologist has prepared this.

[1:38:18] Voice 7: Just a quick question.

[1:38:19] Voice 7: Sure.

[1:38:20] Voice 7: Are those instruments available online?

[1:38:23] Voice 17: They will be posted after this agenda.

[1:38:26] Voice 17: So I'll have to listen to the questions.

[1:38:27] Voice 17: yeah uh uh uh there's not actually like a place for them in the sense uh

[1:38:38] Voice 17: don't get the meeting with it yeah yeah we'll attach them to the meeting

[1:38:44] Voice 17: we'll figure out a way yeah

[1:38:52] Voice 17: uh some rezoning considerations uh so uh in this case the property owner would need to submit an

[1:38:59] Voice 17: application of the Islands Trust at this point it's really just a preliminary discussion where

[1:39:04] Voice 17: there has been a lot of obviously interest in this in this proposal and a lot of historical

[1:39:11] Voice 17: use by the community on this land base and so I think this is just really a first opportunity for

[1:39:20] Voice 17: the property owner and your trustees to engage the community perspective around

[1:39:27] Voice 17: around what's being proposed.

[1:39:29] Voice 17: So there would be many other opportunities

[1:39:32] Voice 17: if he had actually applied for rezoning

[1:39:34] Voice 17: and went through that process

[1:39:37] Voice 17: for your input to be heard again.

[1:39:43] Voice 17: So if an application is submitted,

[1:39:46] Voice 17: staff would review the application

[1:39:47] Voice 17: and bring it to the elected officials

[1:39:49] Voice 17: in a preliminary report with recommendations

[1:39:51] Voice 17: to proceed or not to proceed.

[1:39:54] Voice 17: The LTC would then decide what to do

[1:39:57] Voice 17: and provide any additional direction, information to support the plan.

[1:40:03] Voice 17: For example, they could require a professional surveyors plan.

[1:40:08] Voice 17: There is a work by the biologists,

[1:40:11] Voice 17: but there isn't actually a biologist report that's been submitted at this point.

[1:40:17] Voice 17: A septic plant, hydrogeologist report demonstrating proof of water for new lots, etc.

[1:40:23] Voice 17: All of those things are things that could be applied at time of rezoning.

[1:40:27] Voice 17: There is an OCP policy that restricts any increase in maximum subdivision capacity or

[1:40:33] Voice 17: reservoir density, essentially through any means.

[1:40:35] Voice 17: So that means basically on Saturna, there is no increase in net density or subdivision

[1:40:43] Voice 17: potential through any means, which is quite restrictive versus some of the other items

[1:40:49] Voice 17: have a more ability to increase density through different ways.

[1:40:56] Voice 17: is one way you can't so but you can transfer density so trend densities can be transferred

[1:41:02] Voice 17: and so that's why we talked about on that previous slide there's six there's subdivision potential

[1:41:07] Voice 17: for six lots there so in a sense that lot has six densities and one of them is being used right now

[1:41:13] Voice 17: for the existing dwelling and so there is a policy in your OCP the community amenity density reserve

[1:41:24] Voice 17: that allows the trust committee to hold densities

[1:41:28] Voice 17: and they can use those densities in exchange

[1:41:30] Voice 17: for proposals like this, where an exchange,

[1:41:36] Voice 17: an environmental benefit is received by the community.

[1:41:40] Voice 17: Those densities were received graciously by Judy.

[1:41:45] Voice 17: Judy, I forget the Judy's, Judy Meyers mixed up all the time

[1:41:50] Voice 17: as part of her land transfer efforts

[1:41:54] Voice 17: uh her property uh and uh the my understanding is the proposals for so to be four densities and

[1:42:00] Voice 17: that you have one private held density on another lot that would have three three

[1:42:04] Voice 17: three one of yours

[1:42:07] Voice 17: yes for a total four additional densities on the lot that only has one in a sense

[1:42:12] Voice 17: because of that covenant i think we're saying is there's allowed to be

[1:42:16] Voice 4: six on it just based

[1:42:17] Voice 4: based on its size.

[1:42:17] Voice 4: On its size, you

[1:42:19] Voice 17: can potentially-

[1:42:20] Voice 4: Right, you're only asking for four.

[1:42:21] Voice 17: Correct, or three in the-

[1:42:24] Voice 4: Three plus four.

[1:42:24] Voice 17: Which, so obviously you'd have to address that covenant

[1:42:29] Voice 17: if you rezone the land

[1:42:31] Voice 17: to permit density transfer and subdivision.

[1:42:34] Voice 17: And the proposal is for the exchange of a NAPTEP covenant,

[1:42:42] Voice 17: which Catherine will speak to more,

[1:42:44] Voice 17: more, but the LTC has a wide range of discretion to seek other community amenities or a different

[1:42:52] Voice 17: way to protect land such as an actual land transfer, there could also be discussion around

[1:42:59] Voice 17: other amenities such as community access to those lands, which I know is an important

[1:43:07] Voice 17: important topic in this particular case all right that's all my speaking points I'm just going to

[1:43:19] Voice 17: any immediate questions before we jump to jump to Catherine or technical questions in respect

[1:43:30] Voice 17: to the role of the trust right then let's there you have Catherine here and if you want to share

[1:43:37] Voice 17: your screen Catherine I think then it just jumps yes

[1:43:39] Voice 1: thank you first I want to make sure everyone

[1:43:46] Voice 1: I apologize that I can't be there in person today.

[1:43:50] Voice 1: I have family commitments that your fairies from Saturna

[1:43:55] Voice 1: wouldn't allow me to meet this evening.

[1:44:00] Voice 1: Let's see.

[1:44:01] Voice 1: Sorry.

[1:44:01] Voice 1: If I can do this properly.

[1:44:04] Voice 1: You can see my screen.

[1:44:06] Voice 1: We're in presentation mode.

[1:44:07] Voice 1: Yes?

[1:44:09] Voice 1: Yes.

[1:44:10] Voice 1: Excellent.

[1:44:10] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:44:11] Voice 1: So thanks for the opportunity to speak at this community

[1:44:14] Voice 1: community information meeting, I wanted to use the chance to explain in a little bit more depth

[1:44:20] Voice 1: both to the community and the applicant and actually to the LTC members as well, those

[1:44:25] Voice 1: trustees who may not be as familiar with sort of the nitty-gritty of what the Conservancy does

[1:44:31] Voice 1: and how that aligns with development applications and with the work that you do.

[1:44:37] Voice 1: So hopefully I won't bore you all to tears, but there's pretty pictures in the background,

[1:44:41] Voice 1: So that might prevent that. My role with the Islands Test Conservancy, I am called the

[1:44:47] Voice 1: Ecosystem Protection Specialist. And I have a dual role, which is on the one hand, managing and

[1:44:56] Voice 1: analyzing and updating our ecosystem mapping and our conservation planning. So helping to define

[1:45:02] Voice 1: where the high conservation areas are and the priorities that we have as an organization.

[1:45:07] Voice 1: And then the flip side of that is working with landholders and communities and local organizations to protect those areas that we've defined as being really important.

[1:45:24] Voice 1: I do think it's important to acknowledge that the work that the Conservancy does is in the context of a colonial land ownership system.

[1:45:34] Voice 1: system and I know that that is fundamentally at odds with First Nations perceptions of

[1:45:40] Voice 1: relationships with land and waters and more than human relatives and I just think that the

[1:45:47] Voice 1: Conservancy has a commitment to decolonizing the work that we do as much as possible but I just

[1:45:55] Voice 1: wanted to personally acknowledge that I know that some of the language that I'm going to be using

[1:45:59] Voice 1: in this presentation and in our conversations is related to a land ownership system that might

[1:46:09] Voice 1: feel offensive or painful to First Nations peoples who have a different perspective and

[1:46:14] Voice 1: who's enduring custodianship of the lands and waters here, have a different philosophy.

[1:46:21] Voice 1: So Director Frater already presented a little bit about the legislative organization of the

[1:46:27] Voice 1: the Islands Trust, which is excellent. I just want to touch briefly on how the Conservancy

[1:46:32] Voice 1: relates. The Islands Trust Conservancy is a distinct body under the Islands Trust Act. So

[1:46:39] Voice 1: we have similar status to Trust Council and Executive Committee and the Bowen Island

[1:46:46] Voice 1: Municipality and the local trust committees. We're one of those 16 entities that makes up

[1:46:52] Voice 1: the Island Trust. Our board is composed of six board members, three of whom come from

[1:47:02] Voice 1: the elected trustees and are elected within Trust Council, two of them from Council,

[1:47:08] Voice 1: one of them from Executive Committee, and three of whom are appointed provincially.

[1:47:13] Voice 1: They may be people who live on the islands, they may not. There's a whole process of appointing

[1:47:19] Voice 1: those board members so the work that the conservancy does is directed by our islands

[1:47:24] Voice 1: trust conservancy board and we have memoranda of of um understanding and guidelines for how we

[1:47:33] Voice 1: coordinate and work with trust council with the executive with the other bodies but i just wanted

[1:47:39] Voice 1: to make it clear that we are sort of we we see ourselves as the conservation arm um doing on

[1:47:47] Voice 1: the ground work to further the object of the Islands Trust. We have the same mandate in many

[1:47:54] Voice 1: ways and should look familiar, preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities and

[1:47:59] Voice 1: environment. And our mission specifically though is to encourage, undertake and assist as it says

[1:48:07] Voice 1: in voluntary conservation initiatives within the Islands Trust area. So speaking to that

[1:48:13] Voice 1: that voluntary component. 65% or more of the Islands Trust area is privately owned. And as

[1:48:23] Voice 1: we all know, those areas have high species richness, high biodiversity, and are threatened

[1:48:31] Voice 1: by, you know, many different, many different threats. Apparently, I don't have the word in

[1:48:41] Voice 1: my brain today. But the work that Islands Trust Conservancy does is working on those private lands

[1:48:49] Voice 1: to try and preserve and protect special places. We have two main mechanisms that we use,

[1:48:57] Voice 1: and now I'm getting into the more detail of how this relates to this particular application from

[1:49:06] Voice 1: the Stoltings. We protect private lands through these two main mechanisms of conservation covenant

[1:49:13] Voice 1: agreements with landholders or fee simple ownership of nature reserves. And I'm going

[1:49:18] Voice 1: to provide you with a little bit more detail of what those are and are not so that you can

[1:49:22] Voice 1: understand the differences and to help inform the LTC's discussions around community amenities and

[1:49:30] Voice 1: how they may want to approach this application in particular. So a nature reserve, as the

[1:49:41] Voice 1: Conservancy defines and conceives of it, it's land that we own that is donated or transferred

[1:49:48] Voice 1: to the Conservancy that is managed with the primary purpose for protection of ecological

[1:49:54] Voice 1: integrity. The main goal is the biodiversity and the habitat features are there. So some of our

[1:50:02] Voice 1: our nature reserves may be open to the public. They have trails, they allow low impact recreational

[1:50:07] Voice 1: activities like wildlife viewing and walking. That's at the board's discretion. Many of our

[1:50:14] Voice 1: nature reserves are not open to the public. And that is not to not compromise ecological or

[1:50:19] Voice 1: cultural features. When we take on a nature reserve, there's a management planning process

[1:50:25] Voice 1: that takes several years and determines whether or not there are opportunities for that public

[1:50:31] Voice 1: access, whether it's desired, how it might proceed, where it might be. And a deeper management

[1:50:37] Voice 1: planning process that provides actions for long-term protection of biodiversity. So we have

[1:50:43] Voice 1: the ability as the holders of the land to conduct more in-depth restoration activities, for example,

[1:50:52] Voice 1: than we often have with a conservation covenant. So key features are that Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:50:57] Voice 1: owns it, it's protected forever, and that there are these structured processes around management

[1:51:03] Voice 1: planning and long-term considerations for protecting the key features that were the reason

[1:51:09] Voice 1: the property was protected in the first place. A conservation covenant is different in that

[1:51:17] Voice 1: it's an agreement between a landholder and an organization like Islands Trust Conservancy or

[1:51:25] Voice 1: or another conservation organization, where the property stays in private hands. That owner

[1:51:31] Voice 1: retains it, they can sell it, they can bequest it, they can do with it. I'm going to take that

[1:51:41] Voice 1: back. So they retain the private ownership. The conservation agreement itself is a legal

[1:51:47] Voice 1: agreement that's registered on land title. So it applies to any future landholder.

[1:51:52] Voice 1: And it restricts a certain portion of the activities that can happen on the land. Typically,

[1:51:56] Voice 1: the covenant would apply to only part of a of a property it could apply to the entire property

[1:52:04] Voice 1: and generally the restrictions are if you think of property rights as a layered cake

[1:52:12] Voice 1: you have the right to log you have the right to clear vegetation you have the right to build a

[1:52:17] Voice 1: garden you have the right to build a home within your zoning and whatnot when you enter into a

[1:52:21] Voice 1: conservation covenant agreement a way to think of it is as giving away certain of those layers

[1:52:26] Voice 1: of rights. So that portion of the property that's covered by the conservation covenant

[1:52:33] Voice 1: has restrictions in the way that it can be used. It applies to any future landholder

[1:52:39] Voice 1: and the monitoring and enforcement is taken on, that role is taken on by the conservation

[1:52:45] Voice 1: organization. So for example, Islands Trust Conservancy takes on, we're holding the covenant,

[1:52:51] Voice 1: We do annual monitoring and there are mechanisms within the legal agreement that enable us to enforce it if there's a breach.

[1:52:59] Voice 1: So if the landholder does something that the agreement prohibits, there's financial penalties, there are powers to force restoration or to conduct the restoration ourselves at the expense of the landholder.

[1:53:16] Voice 1: So it has teeth, and the idea is always around good relationships naturally, but there is some oomph to the agreement to ensure that the natural values are protected.

[1:53:31] Voice 1: Key features of a conservation covenant, particularly in contrast to a nature reserve, is that it retains the private ownership, it can protect part or all of the property.

[1:53:42] Voice 1: There is no public access. Many landholders, when they are considering a conservation covenant, are concerned that it will allow public access, and they don't. And there may be exceptions, but in general, the agreement itself doesn't enable public access. It doesn't prevent it, but it doesn't provide public access to a property that's conserved as a conservation covenant.

[1:54:07] Voice 1: And as I mentioned, you know, the monitoring enforcement is taken on by the conservation organization. So I'm sure everyone can see the theme here of the risk and the enforcement capabilities that come along with these.

[1:54:27] Voice 1: the natural area protection tax exemption program covenant program NAPTEP it's a it took me a long

[1:54:36] Voice 1: time when I started this role to be able to accurately say that every time it's a special

[1:54:43] Voice 1: kind of conservation covenant the template of the covenant is almost exactly the same

[1:54:47] Voice 1: but it's a property tax incentive program so essentially the same type of conservation

[1:54:55] Voice 1: covenant agreement gets approved by trust council to receive a tax exemption, a property tax

[1:55:03] Voice 1: exemption, which is a 65% property tax exemption for the portion that's protected. So if, if a

[1:55:11] Voice 1: property has 50% of the property protected by a covenant, then that 50% of the property gets a 65%

[1:55:20] Voice 1: property tax exemption. It's unique to the Islands Trust. This is a really forward-thinking program

[1:55:31] Voice 1: that Islands Trust and Islands Trust Conservancy entered into to try and support landholders

[1:55:36] Voice 1: wanting to protect land. Islands Trust Conservancy currently holds 81 covenants across the Islands

[1:55:43] Voice 1: Trust area, and 29 of those are NAPTEP covenants. One of the extra features of a NAPTEP covenant

[1:55:51] Voice 1: is that it provides another layer of protection

[1:55:53] Voice 1: in the sense of cases of possible breach.

[1:55:58] Voice 1: If there's a breach of the covenant,

[1:56:01] Voice 1: the landhold, the current landholder,

[1:56:03] Voice 1: not necessarily the one who placed the covenant,

[1:56:04] Voice 1: but whoever happens to own it now

[1:56:06] Voice 1: may be responsible to repay

[1:56:08] Voice 1: all of those property tax savings

[1:56:11] Voice 1: that have been had, that have accrued over time.

[1:56:14] Voice 1: So it's an extra preventative measure

[1:56:17] Voice 1: to protect the features that are involved there.

[1:56:22] Voice 1: In terms of broad criteria, Islands Trust Conservancy typically accepts conservation proposals that protect the biodiversity priorities that we've identified in our regional conservation plan.

[1:56:35] Voice 1: And those are both targets of key types of ecosystems, such as an old growth forest, for example, but also areas that might not have enough protection in one particular part of the island's trust area.

[1:56:53] Voice 1: For example, certain local trust areas might not have enough shoreline protection.

[1:57:00] Voice 1: So we might have identified that as a target for that local trust area.

[1:57:05] As

[1:57:08] Voice 1: a general rule, the board does not accept properties that are smaller than two hectares in size, roughly five acres, and priority is given to proposals that protect larger areas.

[1:57:20] Voice 1: And that is for both conservation reasons and practical, logistical reasons. Larger properties, writ large, do a better job of protecting biodiversity and conservation values for a variety of reasons.

[1:57:37] Voice 1: And the amount of effort that's involved in the annual monitoring and there's a certain base level that you start at from an organizational perspective in terms of staff time and costs, and also the risks and the responsibility to maintain and manage a property over time, whether it's a covenant or a nature reserve.

[1:58:01] Voice 1: reserve, our board generally focuses on larger parcels or that are connected areas in other ways.

[1:58:08] Voice 1: So we've set a two hectare size limit. And linked to some of what I was just saying, the board wants

[1:58:15] Voice 1: to ensure that we have sufficient resources available, not only for the process of negotiation

[1:58:20] Voice 1: with a landholder and whoever else might be involved in acquiring a property or a covenant,

[1:58:27] Voice 1: but also that long-term management need we do take on properties that are linked with development

[1:58:34] Voice 1: applications uh and i thought it was really important to mention that so we have policies

[1:58:40] Voice 1: and agreements that guide how these are done but the the core piece of information is that it's a

[1:58:49] Voice 1: parallel application process to the islands trust conservancy board so a project that we take on

[1:58:57] Voice 1: that's linked to a development application still must meet all of our other criteria

[1:59:02] Voice 1: and the board will still analyze it in comparison with and according to all of the same parameters

[1:59:10] Voice 1: that it brings to considering any nature reserve or conservation covenant and these application

[1:59:16] Voice 1: processes when they're linked to development applications there can definitely be a chicken

[1:59:21] Voice 1: and egg approach where the local trust committee has your goals and you would like to know whether

[1:59:26] Voice 1: whether a property, what you're proposing

[1:59:29] Voice 1: will be acceptable to the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[1:59:32] Voice 1: But our board requires a conservancy conservation proposal

[1:59:38] Voice 1: with all of the appropriate information

[1:59:40] Voice 1: to be able to make decisions

[1:59:42] Voice 1: about whether or not to take a project on.

[1:59:44] Voice 1: So I really wanted to emphasize for this meeting

[1:59:47] Voice 1: that it's the responsibility of the local trust committee

[1:59:50] Voice 1: to provide clear direction

[1:59:51] Voice 1: about what it is you need or want or are looking for.

[1:59:57] Voice 1: So, for example...

[2:00:00] Voice 1: The local trust committee needs to be clear if you feel that a conservation covenant will meet the goals of what you're looking for in exchange with the development process, or if you require a nature reserve, if it needs to be a certain size, what's really needed there.

[2:00:18] Voice 1: there. And it's, on a corollary note, the applicant's responsibility to ensure that

[2:00:26] Voice 1: whatever proposal comes to the Islands Trust Conservancy meets those expectations. And

[2:00:31] Voice 1: naturally, Islands Trust Conservancy staff, which would mostly be me, can work with the planner and

[2:00:37] Voice 1: with the landholder to get us there. But there needs to be sufficient framework in the request

[2:00:47] Voice 1: from the local trust committee and the applicant's proposal to be able to have a starting point to go

[2:00:55] Voice 1: from to determine what we can do and what we can't. There are some additional requirements

[2:00:59] Voice 1: for development-related applications in our process that are laid out in policy. Brad already

[2:01:05] Voice 1: touched on some of those are required for the development process as well, biologist reports,

[2:01:09] Voice 1: archaeologist reports, and the applicant is responsible to cover the costs, and they would

[2:01:17] Voice 1: would happen at an open board meeting of the islands trust conservancy that's not always the

[2:01:21] Voice 1: case for our land negotiations but when it's linked to a development application because

[2:01:25] Voice 1: that's an open process um it would be at an open board meeting as well um thank you for paying

[2:01:32] Voice 1: attention assuming you did if you didn't i understand and that's what i've got i don't

[2:01:37] Voice 1: know what brad wants to do in terms of questions but i will stop my share and we can move on i

[2:01:59] Voice 8: I don't know who's

[2:02:00] Voice 1: responsible for determining who gets to ask questions,

[2:02:03] Voice 1: but I'll say, Trustee Boland, I see you.

[2:02:07] Voice 3: Okay, we're back.

[2:02:13] Voice 8: Okay, can we hear you, Catherine?

[2:02:15] Voice 1: Yes.

[2:02:16] Voice 17: Sorry, we lost you a couple of minutes ago.

[2:02:19] Voice 17: I hope you haven't been talking this whole time.

[2:02:22] Voice 1: Well, when did you lose me?

[2:02:25] Voice 8: Oh,

[2:02:30] Voice 1: I've lost you now.

[2:02:31] Voice 7: Two different ways.

[2:02:34] Voice 7: Right,

[2:02:35] Voice 17: you were just talking about your last bullet.

[2:02:38] Voice 17: then with the our internet crashed here which

[2:02:41] Voice 1: which uh which last bullet your last bullet

[2:02:44] Voice 17: where you're speaking to the lgc needs clear direction that slide i'm not sure okay that one

[2:02:49] Voice 1: i was worried that you meant like my last bullet on my second slide no no

[2:02:53] Voice 1: you've been here

[2:02:54] Voice 17: yes

[2:02:55] Voice 1: yeah

[2:02:56] Voice 17: perfect do you want

[2:02:58] Voice 1: me to put that back up then uh

[2:03:00] Voice 17: i think if that's the end then that's

[2:03:02] Voice 17: That's good. And what I will do is just, well, you're still going to be able to hear it, but you're just not going to be able to see it for a minute while I grab another map up for Peter to speak to. But do we have any, I just lost my connection again.

[2:03:19] Voice 3: Okay, so just

[2:03:19] Voice 3: before they see your answer.

[2:03:21] Voice 3: Yeah,

[2:03:23] Voice 14: I have a question. First of all, Catherine, thank you very much. It was very clear and very informative. I thought I knew a reasonable amount, but you laid it out more clearly and I know more.

[2:03:35] Voice 14: So my question is this. You indicated that from your perspective or the Conservancy's perspective, the value of the conservation is not connected to the transfer of densities or anything else that the LTC might contemplate.

[2:04:01] Voice 14: but and then you say that it's the responsibility of the ltc to provide clear direction

[2:04:07] Voice 14: um but to some degree we need like is it possible for you to give us a value because without that

[2:04:18] Voice 14: we're sort of floundering around thinking on the one hand it's you know got conservation value

[2:04:25] Voice 14: value unspecified and then on the other hand you know we have this development proposal

[2:04:33] Voice 14: so I understand they're separate from your perspective but the value of the conservation

[2:04:40] Voice 14: activity do you like the process to evaluate that standalone how might that look in this case

[2:04:52] Voice 1: That is a challenging question. And part of what you lost when you cut out on me was that I was explaining that this is a chicken and egg process, but there needs to be enough structure for Conservancy staff and the board to know what we're evaluating.

[2:05:09] Voice 1: evaluating so I understand the conundrum here but I think so so in in this case Mr Stolting

[2:05:24] Voice 1: has already submitted a proposal to Islands Trust Conservancy and we decided to pause it because

[2:05:30] Voice 1: he's proposed a NAPTEP covenant but there's no clear direction from the LTC as to whether a

[2:05:38] Voice 1: covenant will meet the goals that you want compared to a nature reserve or an outright

[2:05:42] Voice 1: right, land transfer. So there's that higher picture. But in terms of understanding the

[2:05:47] Voice 1: conservation value, the best path forward, I think, is for the LTC to be able to

[2:06:04] Voice 1: provide some parameters. And then there can be more discussion with the conservancy and I can

[2:06:13] Voice 1: come up with something suitable to present to our board. And that might involve having the

[2:06:18] Voice 1: the professional biologist who was already out there, present an analysis of where the highest

[2:06:24] Voice 1: biodiversity pieces are. Or if, for example, the LTC says you would like to see protection of

[2:06:34] Voice 1: the wetland, then I think you need to decide, do you want to see the protection of the wetland,

[2:06:41] Voice 1: no matter how big a parcel that ends up being? Or you want to see protection of up to

[2:06:47] Voice 1: eight hectares or that's a very large number but but i there needs to be something to hang it off

[2:06:53] Voice 1: of and we're not expecting the ltc to be able to provide really precise definitions of that

[2:06:59] Voice 1: it's those bigger bigger picture questions of covenant versus nature reserve are you going to

[2:07:04] Voice 1: insist on public access or or or not how those pieces might might play out and there can be a

[2:07:11] Voice 1: discussion um i don't know i don't know the process of how it would work because i don't believe that

[2:07:16] Voice 1: the ltc is allowed to have conversations outside of public meetings but the conservancy manager

[2:07:22] Voice 1: can certainly have ongoing discussions with with planner smith um to try and structure it but we

[2:07:29] Voice 1: also we don't want our board to be in a position of trying to mind read the ltc and we don't want

[2:07:39] Voice 1: to approve a project and go down a path with the landholder only to realize that that's not going

[2:07:43] Voice 1: to be good enough for what the ltc wants i i really have not concretely answered your question trustee

[2:07:48] Voice 1: boland because it's a hard question uh

[2:07:52] Voice 14: you kind of have but thank you i think it speaks to the

[2:07:57] Voice 14: i think chicken and egg is a good description of where we are at the moment thank you very much

[2:08:01] Voice 14: i really appreciate it

[2:08:03] Voice 17: to the chair i think before we go any further i think we'd be good i have the

[2:08:08] Voice 17: map here now uh thank you catherine and we'll just keep you online here uh for any more questions

[2:08:14] Voice 17: after we give the Stultings here an opportunity to speak to their map

[2:08:19] Voice 17: and give more information on the

[2:08:23] Voice 8: proposal itself.

[2:08:30] Voice 17: There we go.

[2:08:31] Voice 17: I think that's about the best I can do for you.

[2:08:33] Voice 17: So there you go.

[2:08:34] Voice 17: The floor is yours.

[2:08:38] Voice 17: What's that?

[2:08:39] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:08:39] Voice 17: Are you ready?

[2:08:40] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:08:40] Voice 4: Go ahead.

[2:08:41] Voice 4: So what we're going to do is our last game here,

[2:08:44] Voice 4: here, Leonard Smith suggested, get some details together, some history, what you really, you

[2:08:50] Voice 4: know, where you want to go with this. So what we've done is, Donna and I have come up with

[2:08:55] Voice 4: this little proposal here, which she's going to read for us. There's also some printed

[2:08:59] Voice 4: copies here you can hand out. And so I'll just have Donna read this, if she's good at

[2:09:06] Voice 4: that. I'm not, so. And then we can, if you have any other questions, I can go over the

[2:09:12] Voice 4: map uh

[2:09:16] Voice 6: 105 chris cliffside road consists of approximately one-third of that portion of the

[2:09:24] Voice 6: east point peninsula this property extends from the western boundary of fifthers road

[2:09:30] Voice 6: to the eastern boundary address one five inside road it contains the only

[2:09:35] Voice 6: perched wetlands

[2:09:37] Voice 6: on Saturna that has not been damaged by past logging.

[2:09:43] Voice 6: This wetland is in pristine condition and needs to be preserved in its natural state.

[2:09:51] Voice 6: It is

[2:09:51] Voice 1: special not only

[2:09:52] Voice 6: for its diverse ecosystem, but also has achieved international fame.

[2:09:59] Voice 6: Mark Timmings, who lives across the street, is responsible for the wetlands project

[2:10:04] Voice 6: That includes a book and Sounds of the Wetlands, played internationally by the CBC and many other radio stations every birthday.

[2:10:19] Voice 6: I have the book here. We can pass it around. It's absolutely gorgeous.

[2:10:24] Voice 6: I'm going to start it. I'm sure you owe it a copy. Have you seen it all?

[2:10:31] Voice 6: Okay,

[2:10:31] Voice 8: anyone that's done a

[2:10:32] Voice 6: copy, would you like to see it?

[2:10:48] Voice 6: We purchased the property in 2019 and immediately began extensive reclamation.

[2:10:59] Voice 6: The large gravel excavation was partly refilled and turned into a smaller pond.

[2:11:07] Voice 6: There is ongoing cleanup and wildfire mitigations required from previous logging of most of the high-value fir timber.

[2:11:17] Voice 6: The mature cedar were not at that time, as their value was less than the cost to bring them to market.

[2:11:25] Voice 6: With a significant

[2:11:27] Voice 6: rise in the value of cedar logs, current timber harvesting under this

[2:11:33] Voice 6: proposal is restricted to windfall and dead cedar that pose a fire risk, as well as damaged

[2:11:40] Voice 6: cedar that are sustainably harvested.

[2:11:42] Voice 6: This timber is not removed from the island but stays here as a value-added product.

[2:11:48] Voice 6: product. Large healthy high value cedars are not harvested but left for subsequent generations.

[2:11:55] Voice 6: The past two years have been spent looking for an appropriate organization to forever

[2:12:05] Voice 6: preserve the wetlands and a way to return some of the densities previously removed and

[2:12:12] Voice 6: used elsewhere. Large conservation organizations are not interested in small parcels regardless

[2:12:19] Voice 6: of their significance. CRD has shown interest however they wanted in addition to the wetlands

[2:12:27] Voice 6: and buffer zone several acres of previously disturbed land that has nothing to do with the

[2:12:33] Voice 6: wetlands. They also wanted but showed no interest in discussing wetlands two and three which were

[2:12:41] Voice 6: cleared many years ago for a large working vegetable garden. This is not a natural pristine

[2:12:48] Voice 6: area. It is, however, a few flat areas with soil and water that could easily be a large food

[2:12:56] Voice 6: producing area again. We are in favor of this area being a no-build zone, but not a zone taken

[2:13:03] Voice 6: over and neglected by CRD. As our first option for this property, we are willing to forever

[2:13:10] Voice 6: ever preserve the 2.5 acre wetlands along with an additional 2.5 acre buffer zone under an

[2:13:17] Voice 6: act of conservation covenant. We are also willing to discuss adding wetlands two and three

[2:13:24] Voice 6: for limited use potential. In exchange we are asking that the subdivision restrictive covenant

[2:13:32] Voice 6: be removed and the three densities Islands Trust is currently holding one with one private density

[2:13:41] Voice 6: be transferred. The new lots will be a minimum of two acres in size with an approximate remainder

[2:13:49] Voice 6: parcel of 15 acres. Water supply will be by water catchment as Moti has indicated they will consider

[2:13:58] Voice 6: consider it as an option to wells if certain conditions are met. The boundaries proposed

[2:14:04] Voice 6: on the map are suggestions only at this time and can be changed based on further discussions.

[2:14:33] Voice 4: I think

[2:14:34] Voice 3: it

[2:14:37] Voice 17: would also be maybe Peter you'd be useful you could just speak to your map

[2:14:40] Voice 17: a little bit and to your to your obvious knowledge of the property uh having spending so much

[2:14:46] Voice 17: time there yeah i thought

[2:14:47] Voice 17: everyone might be so familiar with where the different features are

[2:14:50] Voice 17: and how you intend to use them and then just in terms of your calculation like the the your is 33

[2:14:56] Voice 17: acres is all together correct right yeah so the the remainder would be bigger than 15 if you had

[2:15:04] Voice 17: four two right

[2:15:06] Voice 4: but these could change this line can easily move over here right two hectares five

[2:15:14] Voice 4: This little dog leg here, Stefan Beach, who lives here. We've mentioned it, that it might

[2:15:20] Voice 4: be available, so that may not be a lot. That may be part of this, just as a border movement.

[2:15:25] Voice 4: And then maybe this line will carry, there's all sorts of configurations that this can

[2:15:31] Voice 4: change. This is just a proposal. This is the main wetlands here, and with the buffer zone.

[2:15:38] Voice 4: zone. So basically yellow area, that's pretty well the work that was about five acres. And

[2:15:46] Voice 4: then this is the buffer zone around it that the first line is the minimum buffer zone.

[2:15:55] Voice 4: Second line is a suggested buffer zone. These are wetlands two and three. You can see it

[2:16:03] Voice 4: from

[2:16:03] Voice 8: cliffside road it's very flat in there it appears that your

[2:17:07] Voice 4: dark green area there

[2:17:09] Voice 4: is actually cliffside road yes it

[2:17:12] Voice 4: is okay yes

[2:17:14] Voice 16: it is and i did have discussions

[2:17:17] Voice 4: somewhat heated at the time with the biologist i says why are you preserving the road and why

[2:17:23] Voice 4: is the road a buffer zone and even to the neighbors and i think mark lives here somewhere

[2:17:27] Voice 4: so you're part of the buffer zone so i was saying you know where do you get off on the buffer zone

[2:17:33] Voice 4: but i think he just had the wetlands that he walked around the gps and then he just kind of

[2:17:37] Voice 4: drew a generic line around it because except the crd they wanted roughly a line they went all this

[2:17:45] Voice 4: and aligned straight over to here so they wanted all this area as well which has been logged

[2:17:51] Voice 4: it has nothing to do with that lens so i just said why do you want all that land it's just a

[2:17:56] Voice 4: land grab so you can have a bigger piece. So we kind of left CRD on the note.

[2:18:04] Voice 4: Can you just clarify for me, I see the green patches, so are you proposing that the green,

[2:18:11] Voice 4: total green areas less the two smaller? Right, so again discussions,

[2:18:19] Voice 4: yeah it's the yellow shaded area is proposed what we want to set aside. So this area here

[2:18:27] Voice 4: there's this road there's a very significant road it's not just a trail that uh previous owner put

[2:18:32] Voice 4: through it makes no sense to have buffer zone over here so that's why i'm not willing to give

[2:18:40] Voice 4: that away there's valuable timber there there's that's just not really what i want to do my

[2:18:44] Voice 4: argument is well you've got buffer zone right here on cliffside and this is as meaningful as this

[2:18:52] Voice 4: so this is this is ongoing discussions with the biologists and i think he just made it generic

[2:18:57] Voice 17: can i just make sure i add to that just so the professional biologists who you see up in the

[2:19:03] Voice 17: legend is a little difficult to read of course but there's a 15 meter buffer and a 30 meter buffer

[2:19:08] Voice 17: applied and so this particular biologist is a really savvy gis uh mapping uh so he's just

[2:19:16] Voice 17: applied those buffers around uh this and they just happen so these are just what a preferred buffer

[2:19:24] Voice 17: would be for this wetland in an ideal world obviously recognizes there's a road there and

[2:19:29] Voice 17: that's not realistic yeah and then i would just also point down there's some general conclusions

[2:19:35] Voice 17: and so uh if a next step in both the itc process as well as what staff would recommend the local

[2:19:45] Voice 17: trust committee uh require would be a more detailed biological report so uh in this case

[2:19:53] Voice 17: ACRP Bio has provided this preliminary map with some general findings, but a biologist's

[2:20:00] Voice 17: report would provide much more of a comprehensive, detailed assessment of where the richest habitats

[2:20:05] Voice 17: are.

[2:20:06] Voice 17: But you will see he does conclude down here that wetlands 1, 4, and 5 are of highest priority.

[2:20:11] Voice 17: So that's this yellow area that the stiltings have identified here.

[2:20:17] Voice 17: And then that's also this forest wetland ecosystem area, which is also highly rich in biodiversity.

[2:20:25] Voice 17: And does this stay wet all year round, Peter?

[2:20:29] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:20:29] Voice 4: It's actually the wettest spot.

[2:20:33] Voice 4: Wetlands actually almost dries out, but not quite.

[2:20:36] Voice 4: It always has water.

[2:20:37] Voice 4: So that's where the big break here is.

[2:20:39] Voice 4: This is a dug pond.

[2:20:40] Voice 9: So

[2:20:40] Voice 4: that's actually access for the fire department.

[2:20:44] Voice 4: They need water there so they can get water out.

[2:20:46] Voice 4: and it's there all year round and i have actually talked to the biologist about the report so he

[2:20:52] Voice 4: said yes but he needs he needs to point forward he needs to know what you need of course yeah

[2:20:57] Voice 4: talking about that and just sort of report but he's

[2:21:00] Voice 17: willing to do that i asked him yeah and so

[2:21:03] Voice 17: just to uh just further uh

[2:21:06] Voice 4: yeah

[2:21:07] Voice 17: that's good just to

[2:21:09] Voice 3: clarify that we'd have heads up a little bit

[2:21:22] Voice 7: through

[2:21:23] Voice 17: the chair so uh the the biologist has been hired by the property owner but they're

[2:21:29] Voice 17: registered professional biologists so of course they would act independently and uh uh having

[2:21:36] Voice 17: worked with this particular biologist uh he's a really really high quality professional and

[2:21:43] Voice 17: And so I've had nothing but good experiences with this particular professional in terms of kind of the integrity

[2:21:52] Voice 4: of his work

[2:21:52] Voice 17: and the quality and the detail.

[2:21:54] Voice 17: And in particular, he's really effective with looking at it.

[2:21:58] Voice 17: So further work would look at all those GIS layers, for example, and all the different ecosystems and the species on and provide a much more detailed kind of inventory

[2:22:08] Voice 17: of what's going on on the property.

[2:22:11] Voice 17: well

[2:22:11] Voice 4: that would be part of the process going forward right yeah as

[2:22:15] Voice 7: well is that this biologist

[2:22:18] Voice 7: has encapsulated the road in the wetland uh

[2:22:22] Voice 17: he's in he's encapsulated the road in what i was saying

[2:22:26] Voice 17: would just be that boundary of 15 meters and 30 meters that is applied so uh those boundaries are

[2:22:34] Voice 17: or the buffers around that, the wetland areas,

[2:22:39] Voice 17: just a 15 meter band.

[2:22:41] Voice 17: So they're just intended to demonstrate

[2:22:44] Voice 17: where would be an ideal buffer

[2:22:46] Voice 17: from a biological perspective.

[2:22:51] Voice 17: So if that makes sense.

[2:22:54] Voice 17: I mean, does that make sense?

[2:22:56] Voice 7: It does, it's not shown as a buffer.

[2:22:59] Voice 17: It is.

[2:23:01] Voice 4: This is the wetlands, the first line.

[2:23:03] Voice 4: and then the second line is it's hard to see it says 15 meters so this is this is the minimum

[2:23:10] Voice 4: buffer this first line and the the suggested buffer is the second line and i think it's just

[2:23:18] Voice 4: an automatic generation as brad was saying so it takes that road it also takes this road and also

[2:23:25] Voice 4: so it's grabbing areas that aren't really relevant to the wetlands, so it's really bad.

[2:23:35] Voice 7: I'm just trying to understand. The areas outside of the lots that you've gone on there and what

[2:23:45] Voice 7: you're suggesting, the protected areas of that wetland area, so all the other area around that,

[2:23:53] Voice 7: That, like, any other activity can happen on that area as any other part of the planet

[2:24:01] Voice 7: would have, right?

[2:24:02] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:24:02] Voice 4: Yeah, this is what I'm calling

[2:24:04] Voice 4: the remainder section.

[2:24:06] Voice 4: So basically all this is the

[2:24:07] Voice 4: remainder that's 15 or 20 feet.

[2:24:10] Voice 4: I don't know the exact amount.

[2:24:11] Voice 7: So there's a potential that it could be logged.

[2:24:16] Voice 7: And so I'm just thinking, well, if it is, then is that still conserved as wetlands?

[2:24:22] Voice 7: it's it's just a question i don't know well

[2:24:25] Voice 4: the buffer zone is intended to say that because there

[2:24:28] Voice 4: is a lot of good timber in that area there that we don't touch if this goes okay so there that's

[2:24:34] Voice 4: the buffer zone is to protect and and yes the whole the whole thing could be clear today

[2:24:43] Voice 4: but my

[2:24:45] Voice 16: proposal is this to avoid

[2:24:47] Voice 4: that um because if it's not myself we could sell it so

[2:24:51] Voice 4: So, to be honest, there's more value to the timber than to these places.

[2:24:58] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:25:01] Voice 4: So, from the larger perspective of East Point, heavily sub-divided...

[2:25:06] Voice 4: Can

[2:25:06] Voice 17: you just speak up a little, sir?

[2:25:07] Voice 17: Because Catherine's here

[2:25:08] Voice 17: listening as well.

[2:25:09] Voice 4: Thank

[2:25:10] Voice 17: you so much.

[2:25:11] Voice 4: At East Point, we're all aware that East Point was heavily sub-divided in the 50s and 60s

[2:25:18] Voice 4: and fairly intensely divided into small lots.

[2:25:23] Voice 4: which I hold still during one or two months,

[2:25:26] Voice 4: smaller than three years long.

[2:25:29] Voice 4: But my question, I guess, is if this four blocks

[2:25:33] Voice 4: was allowed to be a part of this covenant process,

[2:25:36] Voice 4: would that also set a precedent for the other large

[2:25:39] community blocks to be current,

[2:25:43] and this is more in here than the islands across?

[2:25:47] Would that allow a precedent

[2:25:49] Voice 4: for sub-binding that portion

[2:25:51] Voice 4: So instead of 4 lots, perhaps you'd have 8 or 10 more lots on an all-roading.

[2:25:57] Voice 4: I have a quick answer to that.

[2:26:00] Voice 4: I'll be lucky to get this because I'm giving away a significant chunk as a preservation.

[2:26:06] Voice 4: So I understand that to get a subdivision, you had to do something up.

[2:26:12] Voice 4: So Don and I were giving up a significant area, even though we still own it.

[2:26:16] Voice 4: We can't do anything. I can't log it. We can't do anything to it.

[2:26:19] Voice 4: The part you're talking about, they've got nothing to do with it.

[2:26:24] Voice 4: So for them to try this, I don't see it going past.

[2:26:30] Voice 4: It's going very far.

[2:26:33] Voice 4: Can

[2:26:34] Voice 16: I just speak to...

[2:26:35] Voice 4: I think they can build on there.

[2:26:37] Voice 4: Because they've got the cabins.

[2:26:38] Voice 4: Can I speak to, so

[2:26:40] Voice 17: just through the chair,

[2:26:42] Voice 17: so some more perspective on the adjacent lot.

[2:26:46] Voice 17: The original covenant includes this lot and that lot,

[2:26:50] Voice 17: and it restricts subdivision.

[2:26:51] Voice 17: put subdivision to three and this lot is restricted to to none and so that lot can be

[2:26:58] Voice 17: subdivided once and i'm not certain but i think it's already maybe been subdivided the inland

[2:27:04] Voice 17: portion from the the water portion uh where the cabins are the inland portion is zoned

[2:27:11] Voice 17: rural general but it has a section 219 covenant that restricts subdivision as well maybe to one

[2:27:16] Voice 17: and maybe could I know I can't and so you would have to remove that covenant

[2:27:24] Voice 17: and you would have to find densities to apply to that lot because you can't

[2:27:30] Voice 17: increase density through any means on your island through your OCP so in this

[2:27:36] Voice 17: case what they're what's being proposed it is as a transfer of densities tree

[2:27:41] Voice 17: Three, from this bucket called the Community Amenity Density Reserve, which is a mechanism in your OCP,

[2:27:50] Voice 17: the only mechanism to allow for the holding of density, and it's only restricted to the use of a trade-off for some ecological value.

[2:28:04] Voice 17: value. So in this case, so so I don't think that any precedent set because there's already

[2:28:13] Voice 17: a really significant restriction on that land. There isn't the obvious community of a nature

[2:28:21] Voice 17: reserve to protect on that lot as I understand it. And and you would need to find those densities

[2:28:28] Voice 17: somewhere this

[2:28:30] Voice 4: is the density transfer from a larger bucket this

[2:28:33] Voice 17: is so so the cater i'll use

[2:28:37] Voice 17: the acronym the cater is a policy in the saturn island official community plan that says the

[2:28:45] Voice 17: policy above it that says you can't increase density or subdivision potential in any way

[2:28:51] Voice 17: way, you can take those densities from a property and use them in exchange for some ecological.

[2:29:01] Voice 17: So there's one mechanism to allow the elected officials in a sense to hold densities and

[2:29:08] Voice 17: then they could use those densities and put them back on other properties to increase

[2:29:14] Voice 17: density on those lots like this one in exchange for some community amenity around ecological

[2:29:21] Voice 17: protection. So in this case, the amenity in a sense that's being proposed for the exchange

[2:29:28] Voice 17: of those densities would be the wetland being protected through Covenant.

[2:29:36] Voice 4: One more question, would the whole white area that's not part of the proposed subject be

[2:29:41] Voice 4: be protected from logging?

[2:29:44] Voice 17: It would just be, if I can speak to the map, if you don't mind Peter.

[2:29:49] Voice 17: This yellow area is potentially a covenant area, so that area would be protected through it.

[2:30:00] Voice 17: naptop as Catherine described. This other yellow potential area following the lot boundaries of

[2:30:06] Voice 17: course is also a suggested area that Peter is willing to put forward as further discussion

[2:30:12] Voice 17: to protect that area. Everything else in here and then there would be these lot lines might

[2:30:18] Voice 17: move around as he talked about but if it was configured this way you have one, two, three,

[2:30:23] Voice 17: three, four lots that would be created. And so right now, the lot has one density. So

[2:30:31] Voice 17: that's right there. It's this whole lot and the house is on it. So its density potential

[2:30:37] Voice 17: is capped in a sense. By bringing three densities out of this community reserve, one, two, three,

[2:30:45] Voice 17: and bringing one from Peter's other property, that creates another fourth density there

[2:30:52] Voice 17: in trade for what he's saying right now is potentially these two chucks going to Naphtha.

[2:30:58] Voice 17: All this other land would be a remainder lot that would be retained by the Stoltings.

[2:31:03] Voice 17: And yes, in a sense, they could do anything else that the rural general zoning currently

[2:31:08] Voice 17: allows on any one of your lots, which is land clearing, road building.

[2:31:15] Voice 17: Under the proposal, as

[2:31:17] Voice 4: we said, I guess I've got to say my word for it, I'm not going to

[2:31:19] Voice 4: clear it up.

[2:31:21] Voice 17: I mean another, I mean discussing like this, the NAPTAP is, so all covenants pretty much,

[2:31:27] Voice 17: all these restrictive covenants that we talked about are Section 219 Land Title Act covenants.

[2:31:32] Voice 17: So the section of the Land Title Act provides local governments to enter into these covenants

[2:31:39] Voice 17: that have a wide range of restrictions on land use.

[2:31:42] Voice 17: So there's a wide discretion around establishing a covenant.

[2:31:46] Voice 17: So as part of the

[2:31:47] Voice 17: rezoning discussion, there could be another covenant that establishes

[2:31:51] Voice 17: no clear-cut logging on this land base.

[2:31:55] Voice 17: Those are all discussions that can evolve through an application for rezoning.

[2:32:02] Voice 17: And so the rezoning would be required to move the density from his lot as well as to move

[2:32:08] Voice 17: the density is out of the care and to uh ultimately you would probably change the designation of this

[2:32:15] Voice 17: portion or whatever person being protected in the ocp and to like some kind of environmental

[2:32:21] Voice 17: protection zone to match what the actual land use is i

[2:32:26] Voice 4: would suggest that you know you're going to

[2:32:29] Voice 4: think you decide if you decided to sell you're not going to take the mature cedars for instance

[2:32:33] Voice 4: But if somebody else bought that and decided

[2:32:36] Voice 3: to turn it into

[2:32:36] Voice 4: a cornfield, there'd be nothing

[2:32:40] Voice 4: about that.

[2:32:41] Voice 4: We'd kind of devalue it.

[2:32:44] Voice 4: I have

[2:32:45] Voice 4: no problem adding a covenancy name selectable.

[2:32:50] Voice 17: Right, right.

[2:32:51] Voice 17: But you could have a maximum number of cubic meters per year that's allowed to leave the

[2:32:56] Voice 17: lawn, other than some exceptions around danger trees or dead trees.

[2:33:02] Voice 17: But you know, a maximum.

[2:33:03] Voice 17: So all of those things could evolve through discussion and rezoning as to if there's a real, I mean, these buffers are set, you know, the professional, this 15 and 30 meters, they'd be applying, you know, like best practices and guidance of the provincial guidance around our parent protection and 30 meters as being the ideal protection.

[2:33:25] Voice 17: So that would protect them immediately, but certainly these wetlands also benefit from the protective mechanism of this nice mature band of forest here too.

[2:33:37] Voice 17: So I'm hearing that he would be open to some kind of restrictive government if that is a major community concern that could be addressed.

[2:33:47] Voice 17: So those are the

[2:33:48] Voice 17: kinds of things that can evolve through discussion and rezoning.

[2:33:53] Voice 17: And getting back to Catherine's point, the ITC, if they're going to go down this road of a covenant,

[2:34:02] Voice 17: they need some assurance and some clarity around where the polygons are going to be

[2:34:06] Voice 17: and if the change is going to happen before they apply too many resources to go through all this work.

[2:34:13] Voice 17: because there is a lot of work to get to the end of the road around the NAPTA covenants

[2:34:18] Voice 17: and then just have it unravel.

[2:34:22] Voice 17: Recognizing, of course, that we also have to be careful not to fetter the decision-making

[2:34:27] Voice 17: of the elected officials by them coming too strongly with their perspectives

[2:34:32] Voice 17: and decisions early on

[2:34:34] Voice 17: without letting the whole process play out of overzoning,

[2:34:37] Voice 17: which takes, it could be at least a year or like a minimum a year or longer if, you know,

[2:34:47] Voice 17: as community interest.

[2:34:49] Voice 17: And also there's the reality that this election term ends in October 2026.

[2:34:57] Voice 17: And so a new set of trustees will probably also, if you were applying for rezoning,

[2:35:04] Voice 17: and uh they would bring their new perspectives to the table as well so there's lots of things

[2:35:09] Voice 17: to think about that's what my point is and that's just back to the chair thank you yeah

[2:35:15] Voice 4: i just want

[2:35:16] Voice 4: to ask a clarifying question from the company's bank because there was a meeting about a year

[2:35:22] Voice 4: ago now when ronald hall's property was acquired by dc parks foundation it was quite a discussion

[2:35:27] Voice 4: discussion around allocations that time and I was left with the impression that the community

[2:35:32] Voice 4: was wanting to use those allocations in the core town center area for lack of a better term

[2:35:39] Voice 4: to improve housing um low-cost housing or affordable housing so that goes against the

[2:35:46] Voice 4: comment that was made that the covenancy bank was there to support proposals like this so I'm just

[2:35:52] Voice 4: wondering if there is a clarification

[2:35:53] Voice 17: so through the chair that work has just talked about and

[2:35:58] Voice 17: proposed and any work to enable uh affordable housing through cater required an ocp amendment

[2:36:06] Voice 17: so it would need to amend your ocp to allow uh affordable housing as one of the specific

[2:36:14] Voice 17: uses for these

[2:36:15] Voice 17: densities and those whole property densities are still sitting there there has been

[2:36:19] Voice 17: some discussion with the BC Parks Foundation around that density transfer. But that would

[2:36:26] Voice 17: require a rezoning project. And I think there's actually a decision of Trust Council to not

[2:36:32] Voice 17: proceed with any further work this term. So that would be something that could be picked

[2:36:36] Voice 17: up by a future LTC working with the Parks Foundation to go through the process to actually

[2:36:42] Voice 17: take those, put them in the cater. But like they were potentially interested in like talking

[2:36:49] Voice 17: about like accessory house worker accommodations on that lot so all of those

[2:36:54] Voice 17: things would need to

[2:36:55] Voice 17: play out in this but a while ago yeah

[2:36:59] Voice 7: okay

[2:37:01] Voice 3: uh

[2:37:03] Voice 7: i would like to um i appreciate the discussion

[2:37:10] Voice 7: of this i haven't heard um a lot of how the conservancy works and what sort of things that

[2:37:18] Voice 7: they offer uh i think this was already mentioned i'd like to here we go back to them so yeah i

[2:37:25] Voice 16: just was trying to get captain in

[2:37:27] Voice 17: the game here but catherine we're still if

[2:37:31] Voice 7: you're here yeah

[2:37:32] Voice 17: perfect thank you there we

[2:37:34] Voice 17: go so this

[2:37:36] Voice 7: piece of property already has a covenant on it for

[2:37:40] Voice 7: no further no further zoning no further development so each of those lots with their two

[2:37:47] Voice 7: two acres. I'm sure you all know what that looks like. It's going to have driveways to it.

[2:37:52] Voice 7: It's going to have a house on it. Is that a house in a cottage or simply a house in an outbuildings?

[2:37:59] Voice 4: I don't have to look at the zoning. It's three acres.

[2:38:03] Voice 4: I think

[2:38:04] Voice 4: it's just a house.

[2:38:09] Voice 7: Okay. Well, that's plenty. So just to say this would, while you're keeping in mind the

[2:38:16] Voice 7: the proposal that John and Peter have come up with,

[2:38:20] Voice 7: that would be four houses in an area

[2:38:25] Voice 7: that's already really densely occupied.

[2:38:32] Voice 7: And I do appreciate the woodlands very much,

[2:38:37] Voice 7: but I would also like to keep in mind

[2:38:39] Voice 7: before we get involved with all the particulars of this,

[2:38:43] Voice 7: that there is a covenant on that

[2:38:45] Voice 7: for no further development and that also has has great benefits it's all all that's left is

[2:38:53] Voice 7: rural general right besides the one house that you guys have developed and rural general is

[2:38:59] Voice 7: it's quite fast i can't think that there's anything that you can't do with it right here

[2:39:04] Voice 7: pretty

[2:39:05] Voice 8: much yeah yeah

[2:39:06] Voice 7: you can log in big things put in all the machinery that you want and everything

[2:39:12] Voice 7: thing so it would

[2:39:13] Voice 7: be what you and Donna were able to do um as in contrast to having four lots of

[2:39:21] Voice 7: people right not

[2:39:24] Voice 4: sure never see where it goes this is just preliminary there's options for how

[2:39:30] Voice 4: well

[2:39:30] Voice 7: I don't at this point I don't know um that's an awful lot of options that you know looks really

[2:39:37] Voice 7: really hazy now and I that's not something that I would like to proceed with unless there was more I see the chicken and egg thing right I think

[2:39:46] Voice 7: the neighbors would like um and I I don't live at this point but I've been really interested in that area for a long time

[2:39:55] Voice 7: it's a special place right

[2:39:57] Voice 4: so you're I understand and I know I know this would be one of the things is more density on a small peninsula it already has too many small lots

[2:40:07] Voice 4: what we have to realize is that the demographics have changed so a lot of those lots were bought

[2:40:13] Voice 4: for people to build on in the future to build a house now is pretty well impossible for a lot of

[2:40:20] Voice 4: those lots what we're seeing is two words a good example um elizabeth anyways her house she bought

[2:40:30] Voice 4: the lot on either side and they're already big lots that's what i see happening at east point

[2:40:37] Voice 4: someone that can actually afford to build a waterfront home does not want a 100-foot lot.

[2:40:44] Voice 4: Someone that can actually afford to build a house on a waterfront lot now wants a big lot.

[2:40:52] Voice 4: I

[2:40:52] Voice 7: hear your opinion Peter but I see there's lots of complexities here and I want everybody

[2:40:58] Voice 7: to remember that there is the possibility it has a covenant fund already. It is because that whole

[2:41:04] Voice 7: whole

[2:41:04] Voice 4: peninsula was just getting destroyed so just through the chair just

[2:41:09] Voice 17: just see the chair

[2:41:11] Voice 17: it's really meant to be a community information meeting where you have questions answered an

[2:41:15] Voice 17: information exchange i think we understand your perspective into uh but really it is a preliminary

[2:41:22] Voice 17: uh like it's just an opportunity so they're they're being brave i think to stand up in front

[2:41:28] Voice 17: of the community and express what their interests are i think they're they're doing their best to

[2:41:33] Voice 17: present in a fair way what they're proposing. All of this is up for discussion, absolutely.

[2:41:40] Voice 17: What I would say is my understanding is, you know, those densities were stripped off and

[2:41:46] Voice 17: moved on to other lands by the previous owner. And so that covenant wasn't really intended

[2:41:54] Voice 17: to protect the ecosystem. It was really just to get access to those densities to use elsewhere.

[2:41:59] Voice 17: So just to make that clear, and the zoning as is would allow for six lots if the densities weren't stripped off some time historically in the past by a previous owner.

[2:42:12] Voice 7: So that carries weight.

[2:42:16] Voice 7: I'm

[2:42:17] Voice 17: not saying it doesn't carry weight. I'm just saying that's some clarifying information.

[2:42:21] Voice 7: That's good

[2:42:21] Voice 7: information. I just brought that up.

[2:42:25] Voice 4: One other quick point, Priscilla, I'd like to make.

[2:42:28] Voice 4: These lots, in my opinion, are going to attract people like, you know,

[2:42:32] Voice 4: just a fan of Jocelyn.

[2:42:34] Voice 4: They're a young family.

[2:42:35] Voice 4: They've got two kids.

[2:42:36] Voice 4: They're right beside us.

[2:42:38] Voice 4: They're right here.

[2:42:38] Voice 4: They've got chickens.

[2:42:40] Voice 4: They've got apple trees.

[2:42:42] Voice 4: They have a little farm stand.

[2:42:45] Voice 4: He's on the fire department.

[2:42:47] Voice 4: That's who these properties are intended to get.

[2:42:50] Voice 4: Someone that wants a few acres, has some chickens, maybe some trees.

[2:42:54] Voice 4: It's a different clientele than what's around the outside, much different.

[2:42:59] Voice 17: Speak to how you would demonstrate proof of water because that is something that would be required at time of rezoning and proof of septic as well.

[2:43:06] Voice 17: And that wouldn't necessarily because your bylaws don't actually require your subdivision bylaws, but staff would recommend that at time of rezoning the LTC applies some

[2:43:17] Voice 4: standard for water and septic.

[2:43:19] Voice 4: Yeah, I've looked into MOTI and all that as well. We do have some

[2:43:24] Voice 4: information in there.

[2:43:25] Voice 17: So I mean, like, would you be looking at groundwater?

[2:43:29] Voice 17: About any water catchments.

[2:43:30] Voice 17: So that's a key point, I think, for this audience.

[2:43:33] Voice 17: From

[2:43:34] Voice 4: MOTI here, this is just public information after it. It's nothing secret. I just highlighted

[2:43:44] Voice 4: a bit of it. The approving officer considers that the Islands Trust recommends a potable

[2:43:48] Voice 4: rainwater catchment system for proposed locks. The approving officer may consider a subdivision

[2:43:54] Voice 4: proposal that is serviced by portable potable rainwater catchment systems so long as each

[2:44:01] Voice 4: lot has a rainwater catchment system installed prior to final subdivision and with supporting

[2:44:07] Voice 4: documentation design maintenance plan that may be applied appended to the title. So

[2:44:13] Voice 9: it's a bit vague

[2:44:13] Voice 4: but they're saying that they will accept and East Point Peninsula being a water special water zone

[2:44:22] Voice 4: you have to have with a new build you have to have out of the water so in my opinion why would

[2:44:29] Voice 4: someone spend probably at least $20,000 on a rain caching system to drill a well makes no sense so

[2:44:36] Voice 4: I don't see any more wells coming here this time so

[2:44:39] Voice 17: that's also something that could be caught in

[2:44:42] Voice 17: captured in a covenant is uh no groundwater use for for dwellings

[2:44:49] Voice 17: so that's another like in that separate covenant discussion that we talked about

[2:44:58] Voice 17: you could have a restriction on the property saying no further groundwater wells or groundwater

[2:45:03] Voice 17: use for for human consumption or something like that so that is uh from an island's trust

[2:45:11] Voice 17: perspective groundwater use is always something that's where rubber hits the road in terms of

[2:45:18] Voice 17: approval or not so if that could be addressed through rainwater cuts then it would make that

[2:45:24] Voice 17: discussion easier

[2:45:25] Voice 3: that perspective so we have lots of hands

[2:45:29] Voice 3: here so gentlemen then we'll go over that

[2:45:33] Voice 4: just an overall question uh currently that land can be locked yes the covenant does not protect

[2:45:45] Voice 4: land so that if uh if it was desirable to log cedar trees to marketing um that is

[2:45:56] Voice 4: but with the covenant that you're proposing that logging would not give on that particular part

[2:46:05] Voice 4: no

[2:46:06] Voice 8: exactly and i've

[2:46:07] Voice 4: got figures here of what the actual values are and um we're giving up

[2:46:13] Voice 4: a significant value to know could be taken off now they could be the whole the whole thing could go

[2:46:20] Voice 4: now. And then for that, there'll be three lots, which then will fall under another enormous

[2:46:28] Voice 4: ability to even be able to get approval for the ability to have a density alignment.

[2:46:35] Voice 4: From

[2:46:36] Voice 17: a subdivision perspective, there would be another great big process of subdivision

[2:46:41] Voice 4: approval.

[2:46:41] Voice 4: We're a long way to play.

[2:46:42] Voice 4: We're a

[2:46:43] Voice 17: long way to play.

[2:46:43] Voice 4: I know.

[2:46:44] Voice 4: We've been at this for a while.

[2:46:45] Voice 17: But just to clarify your point there, that the yellow areas in this current map would

[2:46:50] Voice 17: be completely protected through a for any development through that through this but

[2:46:56] Voice 17: there's potential to apply a covenant to the whole property that could either restrict this to

[2:47:04] Voice 17: a certain amount of logging per year or what did we just talk about or or or restricts any

[2:47:11] Voice 17: subdivision to not have groundwater use any other reasonable term that restricts ground land use

[2:47:20] Voice 17: could be applied in that covenant so it's another tool that is almost always used in these complex

[2:47:26] Voice 17: rezonings to the the direction of the zoning into a more complex very detailed and regulatory

[2:47:38] Voice 17: oversight thank you so

[2:47:41] Voice 4: gentlemen in the back you've been so picture in your presentation

[2:47:49] Voice 4: that's actually if you look up it's called a dug pond it's not the name is d-u-g is there

[2:47:55] Voice 4: in my experience there was other places that brought the water

[2:47:59] Voice 4: there used to be i think over 20 wet surface wells along the whole peninsula yeah and they

[2:48:08] Voice 4: would people on the waterfront would buy a chunk on the inland to service their their water and

[2:48:14] Voice 4: there's still old pipes under the roads there's all kinds of that so there's lots of water there

[2:48:18] Voice 4: and the previous owner for a while i know he had to dig out those he was a safety concern

[2:48:24] Voice 4: because there was all these old abandoned rusty culverts yeah he dug a whole bunch of them out

[2:48:29] Voice 4: oh yeah so there was a lot in there so those are all gone but do they still have access rights

[2:48:41] Voice 4: And most of them are, most of them are further down these paths, I don't know, maybe one

[2:48:47] Voice 4: of them.

[2:48:48] Voice 4: I'm still wondering.

[2:48:50] Voice 4: They're still there.

[2:48:52] Voice 4: Waste of water.

[2:48:54] Voice 4: I have no idea.

[2:48:55] Voice 4: I have no idea about that.

[2:48:57] Voice 4: They may have just paid rent for a month or a year.

[2:49:00] Voice 4: I don't get it.

[2:49:01] Voice 4: I don't get it.

[2:49:08] Voice 7: I'm just curious about what's exciting about that top block which seems to come right into

[2:49:14] Voice 7: the protected wetland here.

[2:49:17] Voice 8: Which one's

[2:49:18] Voice 7: that? This one here? How does that work?

[2:49:21] Voice 7: Well that's

[2:49:26] Voice 4: just protected they can't build there.

[2:49:27] Voice 7: It says proposed lot.

[2:49:30] Voice 4: Right no it's a proposed lot

[2:49:31] Voice 4: But a house, if there's a house there, they cannot build on this buffer zone.

[2:49:37] Voice 4: That's protected.

[2:49:38] Voice 17: So to clarify, the covenant would carry with the land.

[2:49:42] Voice 17: And so if you subdivide the land, then it's on title for both.

[2:49:46] Voice 17: All land you can't use.

[2:49:49] Voice 7: But they didn't clear up right up to it.

[2:49:52] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:49:52] Voice 7: Only we can donate as is suggested.

[2:49:54] Voice 4: Right.

[2:49:55] Voice 4: You know, I'm happy to walk through this with anyone here and show you that it's not really significant.

[2:50:00] Voice 4: This is significant. This is all been logged around here, even the buffer zone here, that's all been logged in this part.

[2:50:08] Voice 4: So it's not pristine. I'm more trying to preserve, or we're trying to more preserve the pristine area that's never been touched.

[2:50:17] Voice 4: That's our...

[2:50:20] Voice 4: Okay, so Sue, you go ahead.

[2:50:26] Voice 4: Yeah, I guess I'm just a bit confused why you did like two different, like 15 meters

[2:50:33] Voice 4: and 30 meters, like in the end, I guess what needs to be protected is what biologists would

[2:50:41] Voice 4: consider necessary.

[2:50:43] Voice 4: We said 15 is minimum.

[2:50:45] Voice 4: That doesn't make sense to me.

[2:50:47] Voice 4: Like if there's one that's suggestive and one that's minimum.

[2:50:50] Voice 4: Well, that is a bonus.

[2:50:52] Voice 17: It's a minimum and a bonus.

[2:50:53] Voice 17: We're not

[2:50:53] Voice 4: really sure how much you need to pay.

[2:50:56] Voice 17: I can't answer the question because I'm not a specialist,

[2:51:00] Voice 17: but I

[2:51:01] Voice 4: would think that would be one of the keys

[2:51:03] Voice 4: is that it would be a solid guarantee

[2:51:10] Voice 4: and that the ecology of the actual wetlands

[2:51:12] Voice 4: would be safe.

[2:51:15] Voice 4: And also, I was very interested in what you mentioned earlier

[2:51:19] Voice 4: about that you wouldn't take from the main property only take trees that have fallen or died

[2:51:30] Voice 4: and since that that could maybe be part of the covenant yeah i i wouldn't mind that

[2:51:36] Voice 4: there's a lot there's enough timber i don't i do have a soil as many people know

[2:51:41] Voice 4: and i've got enough damaged cedar to keep me going for 20 years without cutting any good ones so

[2:51:47] Voice 4: So that's my long-term goal is to keep my business going.

[2:51:52] Voice 4: Other ones I would take down, you may be seeing the big massive candelabra tops.

[2:51:57] Voice 8: Those

[2:51:57] Voice 4: were all snapped off in Hurricane Freedia in 1962.

[2:52:00] Voice 4: So that's why they've all grown back the same.

[2:52:03] Voice 4: Those trees aren't long for this world.

[2:52:05] Voice 4: What happens is those candelabra tops, they're shearing hot.

[2:52:08] Voice 4: They're taking this, and they're just a hazard, a fire hazard.

[2:52:12] Voice 4: And they block out a massive amount of light from the ground.

[2:52:16] Voice 4: so those are what I'm calling damaged yeah because they were damaged yeah I have one where one of the

[2:52:24] Voice 4: handle hours fell onto it right so that would be my harvesting is what I would do is take them

[2:52:31] Voice 4: but would that apply to the the four other lots as well would there also be uh

[2:52:37] Voice 4: uh they would be basically no it's it depends how they're like there's there's several ways

[2:52:46] Voice 4: the subdivision seed there's no reason i couldn't put that covenant on there as well just just take

[2:52:53] Voice 4: enough trees and if there is maybe a community uh it's a corporate type entity like blackbird

[2:53:01] Voice 4: then i have control i can say look you sign on to this property this is your two acres but don't cut

[2:53:07] Voice 4: down that tree so i can control that and that's why in my i think both don and i we've been pretty

[2:53:16] Voice 4: good stewards of this land and we want to maintain that

[2:53:19] Voice 8: so

[2:53:21] Voice 4: that's why it's cleaned up there's still

[2:53:23] Voice 4: work to do so i spent hundreds of hours in there cleaning and you know i've done a lot of work in

[2:53:28] Voice 4: there

[2:53:28] Voice 9: and

[2:53:30] Voice 4: i want to continue so any developments i guess you gotta you don't have to take my word

[2:53:36] Voice 4: for it i can put a covenant on we're saying don't cut that tree so the same covenant that's applied

[2:53:41] Voice 4: applied to here, I'm saying could you do that on a private lot as well?

[2:53:45] Voice 4: Well, the covenant would apply to the whole thing at the start.

[2:53:48] Voice 4: If

[2:53:49] Voice 17: this gets separated off, it's on title of

[2:53:53] Voice 17: both lots.

[2:53:57] Voice 17: Any new property owner or a new lot,

[2:54:00] Voice 17: the covenants all run with the land,

[2:54:05] Voice 17: and so even if you separate and divide up the land, the covenant

[2:54:09] Voice 17: is still the hole. So

[2:54:10] Voice 4: that covenant minimal so log in these locks as well. Correct. That's

[2:54:16] Voice 4: that's funny. Correct.

[2:54:17] Voice 17: You could set covenant conditions in this whole area. You know, because

[2:54:22] Voice 17: these lot lines, you know, your lot lines are, well, you know, when you get to subdivision,

[2:54:30] Voice 17: your lot lines might change based on so I don't think that you would be the discussion

[2:54:37] Voice 17: question would be more about is it appropriate to transfer the four densities in exchange

[2:54:42] Voice 17: for whatever is being exchanged and I just why I stood up was I just want to point out

[2:54:46] Voice 17: there is some context from the biologist here he does speak to the buffer areas are only

[2:54:50] Voice 17: the conceptual and not informed by ground-based observations so it's really just using like

[2:54:55] Voice 17: speak so

[2:54:56] Voice 9: generally

[2:54:57] Voice 17: a buffer of 15 meters thought to protect more than half of the benefits

[2:55:01] Voice 17: of the 30 meter buffer 30 would be ideal and probably like the provincial minimum standard

[2:55:05] Voice 17: a wrapper, the provincial legislation for street protection, it's a 30 meter buffer.

[2:55:12] Voice 17: So that's where he would have brought that 30 meter buffer from.

[2:55:15] Voice 4: Yeah, and we all know what happened to the buffer at 5 or 7, they did the wash, it all

[2:55:21] Voice 4: blew down, which is another reason why I was concerned about a lot of cutting because it

[2:55:28] Voice 4: opens up...

[2:55:29] Voice 9: Well, that's why we want

[2:55:31] Voice 4: to do it this way.

[2:55:32] Voice 4: because if we sell the whole thing someday as a complete unprotected parcel, someone could clear

[2:55:40] Voice 4: cut the gold. They have a ton

[2:55:43] Voice 8: of money in their

[2:55:43] Voice 4: bag, in their pockets. So we're trying to avoid

[2:55:45] Voice 4: that, save this for the future, and save some of it for us, and create some good lots that,

[2:55:52] Voice 4: like I said to Priscilla, that will bring families that want some chickens and apple trees.

[2:55:58] Voice 3: So I see Catherine's put her hand up.

[2:56:00] Voice 3: She's been inspired here, so we'll poke her in.

[2:56:03] Voice 3: So, Catherine?

[2:56:05] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair.

[2:56:07] Voice 1: I just wanted to point out that, so Planner Smith highlighted that a conservation covenant will run with the land.

[2:56:16] Voice 1: So following subdivision, each of the created lots would maintain the covenant.

[2:56:20] Voice 1: I just wanted to point out that when you're considering lot placements and numbers of lots, to have a covenant that spans more than one property does make covenant monitoring and enforcement and relationship building much, much, much more complicated.

[2:56:37] Voice 1: and that would be a consideration for the Conservancy Board

[2:56:41] Voice 1: in considering whether or not to accept a NAPTEP covenant

[2:56:44] Voice 1: or another covenant because it does,

[2:56:48] Voice 1: but ideally the lots would be placed

[2:56:50] Voice 1: so that the protected areas don't span lots.

[2:56:54] Voice 1: It's not a deal breaker.

[2:56:57] Voice 1: I just want everyone to be aware of that,

[2:56:59] Voice 1: that that is a consideration about increasing complexity

[2:57:03] Voice 1: of a conservation project.

[2:57:05] Voice 8: Thank you for that.

[2:57:08] Voice 7: Yeah, I just want to appreciate the presentation. I'm just

[2:57:13] Voice 7: wondering about going forward, get further detailed mapping.

[2:57:18] Voice 7: The trees are really important to the wetland services. So if

[2:57:26] Voice 7: you could understand what existing number is there, or

[2:57:30] Voice 7: trees, what what has been logged or what what potential

[2:57:33] Voice 7: and you just didn't have a better understanding of that?

[2:57:35] Voice 7: I'll walk through it any time.

[2:57:37] Voice 4: Anyone's welcome to follow a walkthrough and show what's involved.

[2:57:40] Voice 7: Why do you have to document it?

[2:57:43] Voice 4: Trees are hard to document, they blow over, they change, they...

[2:57:47] Voice 7: You don't have an idea where you've logged them, also?

[2:57:49] Voice 4: It's not, no, it's the whole thing's logged.

[2:57:52] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:57:53] Voice 4: But when it was, the reason that the cedar are so valued here

[2:57:57] Voice 4: is that when it was

[2:57:58] Voice 4: logged, cedar was worthless.

[2:58:00] Voice 4: So they didn't knock them down.

[2:58:01] Voice 4: They just left all the little cedars.

[2:58:03] Voice 4: So then when the previous owner took out the big fir, the cedar just went, woohoo, party

[2:58:09] Voice 4: time.

[2:58:10] Voice 8: Those

[2:58:11] Voice 4: are the happiest cedar on the islands because of the moisture, the wetlands, they're

[2:58:14] Voice 4: feeding the cedars out.

[2:58:16] Voice 4: Because a lot of cedars are dying with our changing climate.

[2:58:19] Voice 4: So this is one of the very few places with first class, really good cedar.

[2:58:25] Voice 4: I

[2:58:25] Voice 7: have neighbours that essentially clear their property and I'm using some of the cedars

[2:58:33] Voice 7: and trees along the buffer zone that might cause the slow degradation of the water that's

[2:58:39] Voice 7: now running through.

[2:58:40] Voice 17: Yeah.

[2:58:41] Voice 17: Your pleasure.

[2:58:42] Voice 17: I'll just add that, so if this process proceeded, there would be the requirement for a more

[2:58:47] Voice 17: more detailed inventory report documenting like the species and habitats and ecosystems

[2:58:54] Voice 17: and sensitive species all of that. The LTC could also request from the applicant like

[2:59:01] Voice 17: a timber report or something like that to understand if that was something important

[2:59:05] Voice 17: to them in their deliberations around rezoning. So the LTC has a wide range of discretion

[2:59:12] Voice 17: to seek more information from the applicant through professional documents.

[2:59:18] Voice 17: Often there's

[2:59:19] Voice 17: engineer's reports or he would need a surveyed site plan at some point

[2:59:23] Voice 17: and other pieces he would need to submit.

[2:59:26] Voice 17: But before he goes through all that expense, I think he's trying to test the waters here

[2:59:30] Voice 17: with the community to see if this is a concept that there's even appetite for

[2:59:35] Voice 17: with the community and elected officials.

[2:59:37] Voice 17: And if there is, then, you know, we'll continue to proceed with the next steps and it's not

[2:59:45] Voice 17: with small investments for a process that can get to know at the end.

[2:59:52] Voice 17: So it's just being

[2:59:54] Voice 4: duly diligent and thank you for attempting here for you.

[3:00:00] Voice 7: Well, first of all, I'd like to thank both of you for reaching out to the faculty.

[3:00:06] Voice 7: Why don't we?

[3:00:07] Voice 7: We're nice, too.

[3:00:09] Voice 7: And they're so beautiful,

[3:00:10] Voice 7: and it would be really great if you could use them.

[3:00:14] Voice 7: So thank you for making this happen.

[3:00:17] Voice 7: One of

[3:00:17] Voice 15: the things that I don't

[3:00:18] Voice 7: see on your map is where you saw them, Liz,

[3:00:20] Voice 1: and

[3:00:21] Voice 7: I'm wondering what are your chances of sawing them?

[3:00:25] Voice 7: i find it kind of strange that there is an industrial function happening within a very

[3:00:30] Voice 7: high densely populated zone um so i'm

[3:00:37] Voice 4: just i'm wondering what you're going to

[3:00:39] Voice 4: speak to that

[3:00:39] Voice 4: saturn is the only island the only island i think that allows sawmills on the island

[3:00:48] Voice 4: and it is right it is marked here what a storage building but there's a little purple line

[3:00:54] Voice 4: that's sort of where the sawmill is and that is is allowed in other islands i think not

[3:01:02] Voice 4: cannot run with a sawmill arm so is your intention if this if some form of this goes with the bed

[3:01:11] Voice 4: yes i don't know where it is it's it's it's not a major thing

[3:01:18] Voice 4: it's a small it's just basically the trees on the land get the sun up there and that material gets

[3:01:38] Voice 4: So can you

[3:01:43] Voice 17: just speak up a little more or maybe sorry, or a

[3:01:46] Voice 17: little closer and then we can all hear you. Thank you.

[3:01:56] Voice 4: the only bills you can have on all properties are the cut logs that are trees that are on those

[3:02:06] Voice 4: properties any importation logs it's not technically but as i said this is a it's a long

[3:02:17] Voice 4: process and you're walking through the night. When

[3:02:20] Voice 4: you're applying for a subdivision that's

[3:02:26] Voice 4: within the boundaries of the subdivision bylaws and you're not asking for anything extra,

[3:02:31] Voice 4: it seems like it's almost an impossibility. And I think what has happened here recently on Saturna,

[3:02:37] Voice 4: there have been several adjustments made to accommodate what is currently used.

[3:02:45] Voice 4: And I'm not opposed to that. I'm not opposed to development. But when we look at this property, it's probably the most densely subdivided portion of Saturna Island ever created.

[3:02:59] Voice 4: And when the nine blocks sort of down at the east point end were developed, the original development did not fall under any bylaws. It was to see what you could do.

[3:03:16] Voice 4: The latter portion of it, this included, was covered by the government.

[3:03:22] Voice 4: And what you're suggesting is to change the basic concept of those lands that were created under government.

[3:03:30] Voice 4: And again, I want to say that it's frighteningly scary under normal circumstances.

[3:03:37] Voice 4: What this points out to me is that if you're trying to do a subdivision on the basis of

[3:03:46] Voice 1: the densities allowed within the current bylaws, it's almost impossible

[3:03:51] Voice 4: to do because the costs

[3:03:54] Voice 4: of developments and loans are such that you can't gross enough to make it sensible.

[3:04:01] Voice 4: of all. And the powers that be, the ministry in Kennesaw do not currently allow handouts,

[3:04:10] Voice 4: which used to be a reasonable way of providing access, real access to public road. So we're

[3:04:17] Voice 4: now in a scenario where it seems like we're going to go back and redevelop the areas formerly

[3:04:25] Voice 4: to be developed and make no concession towards those areas that need to be developed under

[3:04:34] Voice 4: our current bylaws. And so any of this may not make sense to a lot of people because

[3:04:41] Voice 4: it's a huge and complicated issue. But I hope you can get some sort of relative opinion

[3:04:52] Voice 4: do with people in this point because they're the ones i think that are going to say yeah your name

[3:05:13] Voice 3: thank you

[3:05:15] Voice 14: um i'd like to say first of all that i've walked the land with peter

[3:05:22] Voice 14: and discuss this with him and it's a beautiful area and it has you know the wetland is beautiful

[3:05:31] Voice 14: so firstly what would i support i would consider a transfer of a decent portion of land to the crd

[3:05:41] Voice 14: or similar body i believe the crd for example indicated they would accept a minimum of 10 acres

[3:05:49] Voice 14: I would consider that, especially if it resulted in a public park, a small parking lot and a walking trail around the wetlands, so it becomes an educational and recreational area.

[3:06:03] Voice 14: And I have thought about the fact that there is a multi-road allowance generally on all of the islands, which might allow a walking trail to be developed between there and East Point.

[3:06:16] Voice 14: and there's a gravel where the gravel pit was might make a small parking lot

[3:06:23] Voice 14: and issues with the proposal i believe there's insufficient direct benefit to

[3:06:31] Voice 14: saturn and community amenities the benefit is intangible as there'll be no public access

[3:06:37] Voice 14: process. I generally don't support covenants as the tax burden is transferred to the rest of the

[3:06:46] Voice 14: community. The 65% discount to the owner has to be paid from the collective residential property

[3:06:55] Voice 14: tax. This contribution to tax by the community is in addition to the transfer of three densities

[3:07:02] Voice 14: and the resulting increase in value and the rezoning to allow the transfer of the private

[3:07:07] Voice 14: density. So the Islands Trust, I feel that a direct transfer of land to create a public

[3:07:18] Voice 14: community would be more appropriate. The Islands Trust Conservancy have in the past stated that

[3:07:26] Voice 14: the resources needed to operationally maintain, that's visits, checkups, legal admin costs,

[3:07:32] Voice 14: the various small properties scattered areas is significant this would add to that load

[3:07:39] Voice 14: i'm reluctant to support increasing the already large islands trust conservancy budget it's

[3:07:45] Voice 14: approximately 17 percent of the islands trust budget as a whole this year and finally i feel

[3:07:54] Voice 14: like 65 percent of the trust is privately owned and is by the vast majority well stewarded

[3:08:00] Voice 14: And I believe those wetlands are protected by the Repairing Areas Protection Act and the Water Sustainability Act in any case.

[3:08:12] Voice 14: So without a direct transfer of land to a body that would allow public access, I would not support this proposal.

[3:08:23] Voice 14: Having said all of that, I reckon it will run into the next term and I won't be an elected trustee.

[3:08:30] Voice 14: So I suspect, I suppose my opinion is that of a resident on Saturna Island and a neighbour.

[3:08:38] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:08:45] Voice 5: Ms. Peter, it sounds like you've identified an electronic shooter.

[3:08:49] Voice 5: I

[3:08:50] Voice 4: mean,

[3:08:55] Voice 5: well, I was learning today about, you know, you've

[3:08:58] Voice 5: spoken somewhat about the company.

[3:09:00] Voice 5: and of course today we went along with details um it does seem that public acts i mean i don't

[3:09:08] Voice 5: know it doesn't seem the public that that was the i think the point of the meeting like this

[3:09:12] Voice 5: is to hear from from the community what they value in terms of their neighborhoods

[3:09:18] Voice 5: um and that's probably you to gauge going forward to determine if it's a covenant that's completely

[3:09:24] the restricted

[3:09:25] Voice 5: uh of sufficient benefit to outweigh the clause in the official community plan

[3:09:32] Voice 5: which forbids the importation of deskies to the eastport peninsula

[3:09:37] Voice 5: that's is

[3:09:38] Voice 8: that specific yeah that

[3:09:40] Voice 4: was mentioned before yeah

[3:09:42] Voice 5: yeah it's um it's one of the ocp

[3:09:45] Voice 5: principles that uh which is why um

[3:09:48] Voice 5: but we didn't we all didn't know that yeah the idea

[3:09:52] Voice 5: is is what you're um proposing of sufficient benefit from an ecological perspective

[3:10:02] Voice 5: to outweigh the intent behind that clause in the ocp which is to preserve the uh you know to reduce

[3:10:08] Voice 5: stress on an already more stressed environment but it you know makes sense like it would be a

[3:10:14] Voice 5: transactional arrangement um and yeah i don't know i don't know if we're we're there yet i've

[3:10:21] Voice 5: not heard people speak yes or no in terms of what they value there if they just value knowing that

[3:10:27] Voice 5: the wetland is uh protected and maybe that's all people

[3:10:31] Voice 15: introduction so yeah

[3:10:34] Voice 5: fair enough exactly so

[3:10:37] Voice 5: that's why i'm refacing this to say arriving at the conclusion um i'm saying that like these are

[3:10:43] Voice 5: some of the things i think it's basically that's what it comes down to is a value proposition

[3:10:48] Voice 5: You know, you are a very kind-hearted person, Peter and Donna, you are of course very saintly

[3:10:54] Voice 5: yourself, but you're doing this for a benefit.

[3:10:58] Voice 5: Who would not, right?

[3:10:59] Voice 5: Why would you not?

[3:11:00] Voice 5: So the equation is, is the value of the three additional lots commensurate to the value

[3:11:07] Voice 5: of the community for the donation of the wet lab?

[3:11:10] Voice 5: And that we don't know yet.

[3:11:11] Voice 5: I don't think we have enough information and nor did we pretend we would have that

[3:11:15] Voice 5: that information. As you said, this is one of the things going

[3:11:19] Voice 5: forward, where you'll put stuff out there, the community will

[3:11:23] Voice 5: respond. And I think we could all be a winner on this one, for

[3:11:27] Voice 5: sure. I believe that what you're offering in part is fair, if the

[3:11:33] Voice 5: community believes that the transaction has provided enough

[3:11:37] Voice 5: for the community, right? And that and that's, that's what

[3:11:40] Voice 4: we hear. He's always wanting to do way back. So this is observing

[3:11:44] Voice 5: at this point does the community want to be able to park next to the wetland do they want to trail

[3:11:48] Voice 5: around the wetland these are all things that we've not heard right what's that letter from

[3:11:52] Voice 5: the biologist this is no no that's too sad and fair enough this is again what we're going to

[3:11:56] Voice 5: hear is like are you putting forward the idea that there won't be public access to the wetland

[3:12:01] Voice 5: in which case does that have impact to people to the value of having ancestors or not i don't know

[3:12:08] Voice 5: that's not for me to say that's for the community to say and your proposal let's say as is in terms

[3:12:15] Voice 5: of x number of acres coming to trustee uh bones concerns aside maybe you've got the basis of an

[3:12:23] Voice 5: arrangement that everyone will live with that i mean maybe that that excuse yeah it's there are

[3:12:29] Voice 5: things that will need to be i mean you know if you're offering covenants on the remainder of the

[3:12:35] Voice 5: property that's pretty powerful if you ask me you've never said that before i mean that's um

[3:12:41] Voice 5: you know that's that's significant um and if i sound overly familiar just peter and i've gone

[3:12:48] Voice 5: back years on this through different iterations of how this might come to be so this is why i'm

[3:12:54] Voice 5: sort of sitting back and saying you know how does this fly and frankly it seems to have a

[3:12:59] Voice 5: a bit more wings under it than I thought it might.

[3:13:02] Voice 8: It's not going to be fast,

[3:13:04] Voice 7: because the facility

[3:13:05] Voice 7: will tell the girls, the children,

[3:13:08] Voice 7: the kind of children who can face them,

[3:13:10] Voice 7: which I understand is information,

[3:13:13] Voice 7: rather than just that kind of expression of time.

[3:13:19] Voice 7: That's a very good point.

[3:13:21] Voice 5: Well, I mean, this is a really important point is

[3:13:25] Voice 5: there'll be a lot of work done on everybody's parts here.

[3:13:29] Voice 5: if this goes forward as an application and i think this is partly what we want to determine is

[3:13:35] Voice 5: is there enough appetite to do that work and to your point it's quite fair

[3:13:40] Voice 5: well until we see a specific proposal we don't know what we want to say or not say and i guess

[3:13:47] Voice 5: all i would set back and then say well kind of the balls in your court peter down to make this

[3:13:52] Voice 5: as compelling and irresistible as possible into a proposal that then becomes an application and then

[3:14:02] Voice 5: see you know hope that that's what was required to to get a positive or get to start the process

[3:14:11] Voice 5: So there's a bunch of girls because we're going to be asked that you're mostly community.

[3:14:19] Voice 7: Not for many.

[3:14:21] Voice 4: Yeah, and nobody wants to be bad friends.

[3:14:25] Voice 4: You see this one for me.

[3:14:28] Voice 4: I'd be happy to give my opinion, but I think it would be better.

[3:14:32] Voice 4: We were asked to go and survey

[3:14:35] Voice 7: amongst yourself.

[3:14:47] Voice 17: I also think there is additional information required because Mairead

[3:14:53] Voice 4: mentioned the riparian

[3:14:56] Voice 4: requirements of wetlands.

[3:14:57] Voice 4: I'm aware of them, but I don't know what it means in this case, and

[3:15:01] Voice 4: so that data may affect

[3:15:04] Voice 4: that people's opinion one way or the other, too.

[3:15:07] Voice 4: But maybe they're protected already.

[3:15:08] Voice 4: I don't know.

[3:15:10] Voice 4: Mairead indicated she thought they were.

[3:15:12] Voice 4: I don't know that.

[3:15:13] Voice 4: So there's lots of information not in this room.

[3:15:17] Voice 7: Something I'd also like to point out

[3:15:20] Voice 7: that I don't think we have too many other large pieces.

[3:15:24] Voice 7: But when we agree to allow density to be stripped off

[3:15:29] Voice 7: of one area and smaller lots to be made around,

[3:15:34] Voice 7: And we declare that a remainder. So it has a covenant, no more subdivision.

[3:15:40] Voice 7: I am talking about precedence here. I think that that has some meaning that you can't just go, well, we think we'd like to, no matter how responsibly you do that,

[3:15:54] Voice 7: you agreed that you would accept smaller lots, more density, more infrastructure in an area,

[3:16:05] Voice 7: and that piece would stay, that piece would not be further developed. And that has meaning to me.

[3:16:14] Voice 7: Otherwise, you buy a large piece of land, you agree, and then knowing that further down the

[3:16:21] Voice 7: road um people are going to question that so is that is it viable to be able to do that to

[3:16:30] Voice 7: have a large piece of land to get the density you want this is pre you guys and um everybody

[3:16:38] Voice 7: wants coastal right so you make these narrow strips of land and then you go here by the center

[3:16:44] Voice 7: i'm sure somebody will agree to something so i'm just saying are we respectful of what we

[3:16:50] Voice 7: agree to before or or is that what's the precedent are we willing to let that go to have an agreement

[3:16:59] Voice 7: or remainders and then reassess later that we're going to do something else with it

[3:17:06] Voice 17: i think it's time to move on because we do have a busy agenda and i think that we've

[3:17:12] Voice 17: exchanged a lot of good information here at least i think created some better understanding between

[3:17:17] Voice 17: between the property owner and the community

[3:17:19] Voice 17: as to at least his ideas

[3:17:21] Voice 17: and what he's trying to bring forward.

[3:17:25] Voice 17: Recognizing that we're at a preliminary stage

[3:17:27] Voice 17: from what I'm hearing from today

[3:17:29] Voice 17: and just right near the end here, there's, you know,

[3:17:32] Voice 17: just in terms of your point, Priscilla,

[3:17:35] Voice 17: in terms of precedents, I think in this case,

[3:17:38] Voice 17: you're trying to protect a really unique

[3:17:41] Voice 17: conservation amenity in particular,

[3:17:43] Voice 17: that parched wetland is a really, really unique feature

[3:17:45] Voice 17: on your island and globally in the South.

[3:17:48] Voice 17: And

[3:17:48] Voice 7: you're doing it at an importance.

[3:17:51] Voice 17: I'm just saying that this is a unique piece of property with unique features.

[3:17:57] Voice 17: So setting precedents on other lots that don't have the same feature, that precedence doesn't exist.

[3:18:02] Voice 17: What I'm hearing for Peter is that there's obviously a desire of the community to see that wetland protected.

[3:18:09] Voice 17: There are some concerns around access.

[3:18:12] Voice 17: There are concerns from your elected officials around if a covenant is enough to achieve those community goals in exchange for the densities, which is ultimately a trade from the elected officials, which represent the community and the property owner, where both are intended to benefit.

[3:18:34] Voice 17: So I think you need to take that information away and decide where you go from here, recognizing

[3:18:41] Voice 17: that a rezoning application would just be a first step.

[3:18:45] Voice 17: And I mean, you could just consider rezoning and not looking at your subdivision boundaries

[3:18:53] Voice 17: at this time and just getting those densities back.

[3:18:56] Voice 17: But I mean, all of those things are things that you need to take away and consider and

[3:18:59] Voice 17: and ultimately submit an application to your

[3:19:02] Voice 17: public television if that's where you intend to go.

[3:19:04] Voice 17: And then all of that can be played out

[3:19:06] Voice 17: and staff time can be provided to support that process.

[3:19:11] Voice 17: And then there would be many other opportunities

[3:19:14] Voice 17: for the community to further weigh in

[3:19:18] Voice 17: with your opinions and perspectives,

[3:19:21] Voice 17: which are also important.

[3:19:25] Voice 3: Thank you for understanding.

[3:19:27] Voice 3: All right, it's good enough.

[3:19:29] Voice 3: Yeah. Let me take care of the meetings.

[3:19:32] Voice 3: We're now.

[3:19:36] Voice 3: Thank you, Peter. Excellent job.

[3:19:48] Voice 4: Did

[3:19:48] Voice 8: we adjourn the meeting or no I'm done with this part.

[3:19:51] Voice 4: All

[3:19:51] Voice 17: right, so get this home out of here, you guys.

[3:19:53] Voice 17: Yeah, get back to the regulars.

[3:19:59] Voice 16: What's that?

[3:20:02] Voice 16: No, you still have some other stuff.

[3:20:04] Voice 16: We're just done with this.

[3:20:05] Voice 16: Here,

[3:20:06] Voice 4: I thought they all came from the publisher.

[3:20:08] Voice 4: That's right.

[3:20:09] Voice 4: No offense.

[3:20:10] Voice 4: You were the one getting it.

[3:20:12] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah.

[3:20:13] Voice 4: Yeah, no.

[3:20:16] Voice 4: So then, just move it back a little bit.

[3:20:19] Voice 4: And I actually

[3:20:20] Voice 5: have to work this way.

[3:20:26] Voice 5: Of course, this week.

[3:20:29] Voice 5: It's right out there.

[3:20:30] Voice 5: Why did you say that?

[3:20:32] Voice 5: There's no.

[3:20:33] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:20:33] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:20:34] Voice 3: That's.

[3:20:34] Voice 3: But I think so.

[3:20:37] Voice 3: In my.

[3:20:37] Voice 3: All right.

[3:20:38] Voice 3: Let's start.

[3:20:39] Voice 3: So I

[3:20:39] Voice 3: guess I'm going to be.

[3:20:41] Voice 5: Hey,

[3:20:41] Voice 3: what is it?

[3:20:42] Voice 3: Is maybe.

[3:20:44] Voice 4: You're talking outside.

[3:20:46] Voice 7: Do you have any?

[3:20:47] Voice 7: What are we going to discuss? I don't have an agenda.

[3:20:51] Voice 7: I will

[3:20:52] Voice 7: give

[3:20:55] Voice 3: it to you an agenda.

[3:21:06] Voice 3: Okay, so let's get back going here.

[3:21:12] Voice 3: Peter, we're supposed to be at 12.30. We have a meeting on July 24th.

[3:21:21] Voice 17: Folks, we're just resuming our meeting because we don't have a lot of time. So thank you so much.

[3:21:27] Voice 17: Thank you. Thank you, Peter. Excellent job today.

[3:21:32] Voice 3: So, minute-wise, does anybody have any comments or concerns about this or is it going to be

[3:21:37] Voice 3: a topic that has circulated?

[3:21:41] Voice 3: So, my general concern is that we'll drop those minutes on July 24th.

[3:21:45] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:21:46] Voice 3: So, we have Phase 52 of Section 262, Resolution of Meetings Report.

[3:21:52] Voice 3: This is the information.

[3:21:53] Voice 3: Commission. Page 53, we have a lot of action lists. Any questions? Any concerns?

[3:22:09] Voice 3: So we'll get to the meet. Page 55.

[3:22:13] Voice 14: Can you, sorry, I just missed a couple of things. Have we

[3:22:17] Voice 14: adopted the minutes? Yeah.

[3:22:19] Voice 3: Yes, we have. We have.

[3:22:20] Voice 3: and we're

[3:22:23] Voice 14: now on the follow-up action list is that it we

[3:22:27] Voice 3: would sponsor that unless you have

[3:22:29] Voice 3: anything sorry we're moving faster than that okay

[3:22:33] Voice 14: i've obviously got to speed up

[3:22:40] Voice 3: schedule and a child care schedule so and the pub

[3:22:46] Voice 14: Okay, so page

[3:22:48] Voice 3: 55, which is hopefully going to take two seconds, press council file number

[3:22:56] Voice 3: 183, policy statement file, referral response.

[3:22:59] Voice 3: So we have a presentation from the public, trust me, it's quite a mess.

[3:23:04] Voice 17: Dr. Frieder is not available, so I can speak to any questions, and you heard what you heard,

[3:23:24] Voice 3: I'll

[3:23:25] Voice 14: make a motion. Number four, I want to propose that the LTC recommends not proceeding

[3:23:33] Voice 14: with the by-law. And so I propose that the Turner Island Local Trust Committee recommend

[3:23:42] Voice 14: meant to trust Islands Trust Council that proposed, oh, I have to list reasons. I would say,

[3:23:48] Voice 14: do I have to list reasons? Yes. Due

[3:23:52] Voice 14: to the discussion.

[3:23:53] Voice 3: Can I

[3:23:55] Voice 14: reference the community

[3:23:57] Voice 14: discussion that we held today? Yeah. I will say, I propose that we do not recommend

[3:24:06] Voice 14: and proceeding because of the expressions,

[3:24:12] Voice 14: of the opinions expressed

[3:24:16] Voice 14: at the Saturna Community Information Meeting,

[3:24:19] Voice 14: which will be in the minutes.

[3:24:21] Voice 7: How about the short time that we can do this?

[3:24:24] Voice 7: And

[3:24:25] Voice 3: would you like to add in the short timeline

[3:24:28] Voice 3: for comment to comments?

[3:24:32] Voice 13: You mean the engagement, the engagement?

[3:24:36] Voice 13: engagement it's

[3:24:37] Voice 3: because it was coming to to the community

[3:24:41] Voice 3: like just days before things are closing because it had to get deferred for quite a

[3:24:46] Voice 3: good time if

[3:24:50] Voice 14: would you like to edit i'm not hearing

[3:24:53] Voice 14: everything you're saying clearly david sorry

[3:24:58] Voice 3: um jones go ahead with with your can you hear me marie

[3:25:02] Voice 3: Yes, I can.

[3:25:05] Voice 4: Okay. The point that I particularly was making was the current draft policy is a huge overreach and nothing whatsoever to do with the timing.

[3:25:17] Voice 4: And

[3:25:19] Voice 14: I think that that is covered by my saying that my proposal is based on the community

[3:25:28] Voice 14: information presented today. And I would ask you, John, to present what you said so that it's

[3:25:35] Voice 14: incorporated in the minutes, that the actual text of what you said is forwarded so that it's

[3:25:41] Voice 14: explicitly in the minutes i

[3:25:43] Voice 4: have given brad a copy of my uh speech or whatever you want to call it

[3:25:49] Voice 14: perfect yeah

[3:25:51] Voice 4: yeah

[3:25:51] Voice 3: okay so can you

[3:25:53] Voice 3: so for clarity just want to read that out for a minute here so we get it clear

[3:26:01] Voice 3: it

[3:26:01] Voice 12: was moved and seconded that the saturn island ltc recommend to the islands trust council that

[3:26:07] Voice 12: proposed bylaw number 183 not proceed because of opinions expressed at the

[3:26:11] Voice 12: saturnah community information meeting and

[3:26:14] Voice 14: can we say that those that those

[3:26:16] Voice 14: opinions will be uh reflected in the minutes

[3:26:21] Voice 14: sure thank you

[3:26:23] Voice 3: trust me do you second that

[3:26:27] Voice 5: um yes yeah like saying that just i would

[3:26:31] Voice 5: seek to comment or add a bullet point i think

[3:26:34] Voice 5: but upset the second one, can we do that?

[3:26:37] Voice 3: No, we can

[3:26:39] Voice 3: before a second is probably

[3:26:41] Voice 3: the best time to, where is your hand?

[3:26:43] Voice 14: Yeah, go

[3:26:43] Voice 14: ahead, anything you want to say.

[3:26:45] Voice 5: I would just, I think

[3:26:47] Voice 5: so

[3:26:50] Voice 5: so we are

[3:26:51] Voice 5: planning through this next

[3:26:54] Voice 5: step that Trust Council

[3:26:55] Voice 5: no longer consider

[3:26:59] Voice 5: adoption of

[3:27:00] Voice 5: the policy statement

[3:27:02] Voice 5: that we have given for three things.

[3:27:04] Voice 5: okay i would add a bullet point that says one of the reason um the province's legislative framework

[3:27:16] Voice 5: for reconciliation upon which we rely to do our work in this area is in flux

[3:27:30] Voice 14: Yeah, I would support that.

[3:27:34] Voice 3: Okay, so Lisa, you've got that?

[3:27:36] Voice 14: I've got it, yeah.

[3:27:38] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:27:39] Voice 3: Second?

[3:27:40] Voice 5: Second, yeah.

[3:27:40] Voice 5: For the second, yeah, I mean, obviously, we've heard some speakers, but I just think that it's just the curse of it.

[3:27:52] Voice 5: Only in the end do people get engaged when the time is the shortest.

[3:27:55] Voice 5: And I mean, it's unfair to the drafters to some degree,

[3:27:59] Voice 5: but I mean, that's the reality.

[3:28:00] Voice 5: That's what happened last time.

[3:28:02] Voice 5: And frankly, outside of everyone's control

[3:28:05] Voice 5: came some court decisions and some admission by the province

[3:28:12] Voice 5: that their strategy toward legally reinforcing reconciliation

[3:28:19] Voice 5: needs to be adjusted.

[3:28:21] Voice 5: And our policy statement heavily relies upon the direction

[3:28:25] Voice 5: that was either perceived, telegraphed, or given by the ministry

[3:28:29] Voice 5: to frame the work of reconciliation.

[3:28:32] Voice 5: So I just don't think we can proceed with it

[3:28:35] Voice 5: until the province has sorted out their approach to this.

[3:28:41] Voice 5: When you want to argue activist court judgments

[3:28:44] Voice 5: or just legal interpretations that were unforeseen,

[3:28:49] Voice 5: we have to hear that and then hear them give a direction to their,

[3:28:54] Voice 5: obviously ministries and agencies in response to that work that's probably going to be some months

[3:29:00] Voice 5: right so anyway that's my record out there just to put it on the record all

[3:29:06] Voice 3: right we'll call the

[3:29:07] Voice 3: question on paper that carries all right um so now we're 14.2 page 62 may now request any referral

[3:29:16] Voice 3: for files number 196197 um i'm assuming that you guys are going to be kind enough not to have an

[3:29:23] Voice 3: issue i i moved it so

[3:29:27] Voice 5: our interests are unaffected and there's probably warnings

[3:29:32] Voice 3: it's uh page 62. okay it's

[3:29:40] Voice 5: it's right here okay so i'll move that the uh saturn ltc um

[3:29:51] Voice 5: oh yes i read the wrong parent but that the saturn island local trust committee

[3:29:56] Voice 5: respond to the main island trust committee that interests are unaffected by

[3:30:00] Voice 5: bylaws 196 and 197. I second that. Any

[3:30:04] Voice 3: further discussion? All questions, all in favor?

[3:30:07] Voice 3: That carries. We're just sitting along here at 66. Another may now address the proposed

[3:30:16] Voice 3: bylaw number 200. Okay. Which is for BC Ferris, so we do like

[3:30:23] Voice 5: to support them.

[3:30:39] Voice 5: Okay, well, I'll make the motion then, just because I've got it in front of me, Mary.

[3:30:42] Voice 5: That was the

[3:30:43] Voice 5: trust committee response to the trust committee that interests are unaffected by draft by 200.

[3:30:49] Voice 5: known 200. secretary trustee yeah

[3:30:51] Voice 13: okay

[3:30:53] Voice 3: further discussion no all

[3:30:56] Voice 3: the questions all the paper

[3:30:58] Voice 3: yeah carried so we moved to page 70 the minor housing review project graph power number 143

[3:31:08] Voice 17: so notice of uh uh notice of uh

[3:32:09] Voice 5: but maybe it's possible so i kind of get the semantic

[3:32:14] Voice 5: semantic shift there and so while I you know I understand the concern I think the semantic shift

[3:32:21] Voice 5: is is acceptable so that was that was the only thing

[3:32:25] Voice 9: let's make the motion go so trust me

[3:32:37] Voice 14: I you are in and out with me so I would join in as best I can but I think the two of you

[3:32:44] Voice 14: should proceed I think I'm in line with anything you'll go forward with from the rest of you

[3:32:50] Voice 14: agenda okay all

[3:32:52] Voice 3: right so we have

[3:32:57] Voice 5: not yet read it the first time haven't no

[3:33:01] Voice 17: this is you've given

[3:33:02] Voice 17: instead of having a public hearing you've given notice of first reading

[3:33:06] Voice 17: yeah

[3:33:07] Voice 5: well like that makes perfect sense then you've certainly gone through this very very

[3:33:13] Voice 5: thoroughly and thanks to staff for the huge amount of work that got put into this over

[3:33:18] Voice 5: over the last two to three years.

[3:33:20] Voice 5: So we're, you know, not everything,

[3:33:23] Voice 5: I think that Trustee Boland was hoping to achieve

[3:33:25] Voice 5: was achieved, but that was, you know, through no fault of.

[3:33:28] Voice 14: That's a gross understatement, Trustee Middleton.

[3:33:33] Voice 5: Anyway, so in the spirit of happiness,

[3:33:37] Voice 5: I'll move to the trust committee bylaw number 143,

[3:33:42] Voice 5: cited as the Turnaround Land Use Bylaw number 119, 2018,

[3:33:46] Voice 5: 18 amendment number 124 be read a first time second trustee yeah for the decision no special

[3:33:55] Voice 5: favor that carries okay i'll move this to turn on local trust committee byline number 143 so i did

[3:34:03] Voice 5: this to turn island landings bylaw number 119 2018 amendment number one 2024 be right a second time

[3:34:12] Voice 5: second

[3:34:12] Voice 3: trustee bond yeah for the discussion call a question

[3:34:17] Voice 3: i

[3:34:17] Voice 5: moved that the subterranean highland local trust committee by law number one for three

[3:34:24] Voice 5: cited as certain island values by law number 119 2018 amendment number one from 24 we read a third

[3:34:31] Voice 5: time second trustee ball second for the discussion call the question on the paper that carries

[3:34:38] Voice 5: And finally, I note that the Secretary of the Local Trust Committee for Post-Bilaw No. 143 be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for Executive Committee.

[3:34:48] Voice 5: Second Trustee Boland? Yep.

[3:34:51] Voice 3: For the discussion, call the question on paper. That carries. Great.

[3:34:56] Voice 8: Yeah!

[3:34:58] Voice 3: Okay, so we look at page 78, on the 79th Act on Future Projects. Any questions or concerns?

[3:35:12] Voice 5: Do we need a motion now to move the money until, I know it's not a significant amount

[3:35:27] Voice 5: of work, but at what point do we replace the active project with another one that we're

[3:35:35] Voice 5: working on?

[3:35:36] Voice 5: you have to do this

[3:35:38] Voice 17: you'd have to get by level four three uh and give it a final reading and

[3:35:45] Voice 17: then that project officially ends and i think the direction of trust council is that you wouldn't be

[3:35:49] Voice 17: starting any more minor projects in this fiscal as you so i think like for example the work to

[3:35:57] Voice 17: transfer the holidays we'll just have to wait till next term

[3:36:02] Voice 4: yeah

[3:36:03] Voice 5: yeah because we have what

[3:36:07] Voice 5: other project did you have in mind for their end well we basically exactly what could be classes

[3:36:11] Voice 5: of sort of always leave it as a placeholder which is the minor amendments to the land use bylaw like

[3:36:17] Voice 17: the technical amendments project correct

[3:36:19] Voice 5: yeah and which we we have said on and off we could include

[3:36:24] Voice 5: uh the the uh well we need to uh clean up the reference to uh uh i don't know this period

[3:36:32] Voice 5: anyway, because they differ between the Linus bylaw and the Enabling bylaw. So that's a piece

[3:36:41] Voice 5: of work. There's probably, I've heard you identify multiple sort of technical, perhaps,

[3:36:50] Voice 5: tweaks that might need to be made in the Linus bylaw. There's

[3:36:55] Voice 5: nothing of any, like,

[3:36:55] Voice 5: earth shattering sequence but yeah so but until

[3:37:01] Voice 3: that this power is put to bed we can't consider

[3:37:04] Voice 3: it anyhow so maybe next meeting and then

[3:37:08] Voice 17: you're starting to run out of time to really substantially

[3:37:10] Voice 17: get anything done anyway so it's true um

[3:37:14] Voice 5: all right well we'll leave that there then that's fine

[3:37:17] Voice 5: because we can

[3:37:18] Voice 5: i

[3:37:19] Voice 14: just ask a question all right lee are you are you speaking about the uh bylaw

[3:37:24] Voice 14: policy, the by-law enforcement

[3:37:26] Voice 14: policies.

[3:37:28] Voice 5: I was

[3:37:30] Voice 5: touching on that because that would be

[3:37:32] Voice 5: his natural home, but it's already on the

[3:37:34] Voice 5: agenda anyway, so I think it

[3:37:35] Voice 5: can be counted as...

[3:37:37] Voice 5: What

[3:37:38] Voice 14: I saw is that one of the technical

[3:37:40] Voice 14: ones was the...

[3:37:42] Voice 14: It's tangled up with that density transfer

[3:37:44] Voice 14: and the possibility of

[3:37:46] Voice 14: fixing up the multifamily

[3:37:48] Voice 14: residential zoning,

[3:37:50] Voice 14: but I assume that's...

[3:37:52] Voice 14: is that is that recorded anywhere brad the fact that we had thought about that i

[3:38:00] Voice 17: mean that wouldn't

[3:38:01] Voice 17: really be a technical amendment that would be a technical amendment so more to correct an error

[3:38:07] Voice 17: in mapping or to uh you know maybe a decision didn't uh get correctly recorded in the past or

[3:38:17] Voice 17: or you're amending things to provide more clarity.

[3:38:22] Voice 17: That would be the scope of a technical amendment,

[3:38:26] Voice 17: whereas looking at changing the zoning to allow more units on that,

[3:38:33] Voice 17: and that would be a whole project, I would think.

[3:38:36] Voice 14: Okay, fair enough.

[3:38:37] Voice 14: I just didn't want to actually embark on it right now,

[3:38:41] Voice 14: but I just thought, was there a placeholder or something?

[3:38:43] Voice 14: it

[3:38:43] Voice 17: is it is uh uh identified as a future project i think

[3:38:48] Voice 14: okay fair enough

[3:38:49] Voice 17: okay

[3:38:51] Voice 14: next page david application

[3:38:54] Voice 4: support any questions

[3:38:56] Voice 3: okay

[3:38:57] Voice 4: so

[3:39:01] Voice 3: we'll bounce past that so you have interesting local extensions for

[3:39:04] Voice 3: through your information you've got your doctor policies for your information

[3:39:08] Voice 3: So now, hopefully, Biolaw Person Manager Dingman is going to come on the screen.

[3:39:16] Voice 3: We have page 87, the Biolaw Enforcement Policy, with a staff report, over to you, Mr. Dingman,

[3:39:24] Voice 3: just like magic.

[3:39:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Mr. Good afternoon, Chair.

[3:39:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Actually, hopefully, RPM Kojima is still on the line.

[3:39:36] Voice 3: I'm not

[3:39:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: sure he is.

[3:39:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Mr. I think he is.

[3:39:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Mr. Is he?

[3:39:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Mr.

[3:39:38] Voice 3: No, he's carried him away.

[3:39:39] Voice 3: Okay,

[3:39:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so we've prepared the, you know, revised the policy, the staff report somewhat regarding compliance and enforcement policy for Saturna Island.

[3:39:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: We're trying to adopt best policies here, ensure that it supplements the Trust Council's bylaw enforcement policy 551, which is currently under review.

[3:40:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: view. And so just to go into more of the background here, staff receive direction from

[3:40:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: local trust committees in the form of such resolutions regarding specific bylaw

[3:40:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: contraventions where the trust committee wants either proactive enforcement or deferral of

[3:40:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: enforcement. For such resolutions to provide ongoing directions to staff, they are currently

[3:40:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: tracked as standing resolutions. So those policies are not currently combined, and so there's no

[3:40:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: public-facing document that can be easily accessed by either residents or staff and this at times

[3:40:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: leads to lack of understanding of how bylaw staff conduct themselves or why they follow certain

[3:40:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: procedures. So the LTC has reviewed the bylaw compliance and enforcement policy which unfortunately

[3:40:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: wasn't attached for this meeting so my apologies. I have forwarded the policy to you just so that

[3:41:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you have it for reference but it has been uh previously reviewed trustees have expressed

[3:41:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: overall satisfaction with the draft policy uh but requested staff report back with advice on

[3:41:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: whether the document should be adopted as a stand alone policy or integrated into the bylaw

[3:41:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and so there have been the previous discussions on whether or not this should occur um and in

[3:41:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in its relationship to the Saterna By-law

[3:41:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and Fractions Investigations By-law number 30.

[3:41:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And at that meeting was recommended

[3:41:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: against amending the by-law.

[3:41:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And then the LTC diverted the adoption of the policy

[3:41:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: at that meeting.

[3:41:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So overall, I believe the advice is the same as previously.

[3:41:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You have a by-law that authorizes,

[3:41:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or the enforcement of by-laws and authorized by-law officers

[3:42:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to inspect properties at reasonable times.

[3:42:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: This bylaw, like others, simply repeats the language from the Local Government Act.

[3:42:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And the current Trust Council policy provides direction to staff

[3:42:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on how bylaw enforcement processes, procedures, and communications.

[3:42:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And as described above, many local trust committees have also adopted specific policy

[3:42:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: by means of standing resolutions.

[3:42:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The current draft policy of 551 specifically provides for the adoption of

[3:42:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: of LTC enforcement policies, such as the one we're discussing today, but these are not provisions

[3:42:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that are specific authorized to be included in bylaws by the Local Government Act, but are

[3:42:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: operational policies rather than regulations. So the LUB currently has a reference as the

[3:42:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: following provision, the Islands Trust Bylaw Enforcement Officer or any other person designated

[3:43:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: by the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee to administer this bylaw is authorized to enter at

[3:43:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: any reasonable time and after having given 24 hours prior notification to the occupier upon

[3:43:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: any property that is subject to regulation under this bylaw for the purpose of deterring whether

[3:43:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the regulations are being observed. So this is not actually consistent with bylaw 30 nor with

[3:43:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the proposed LTC enforcement policy which would require 30 days notice with exceptions. Other

[3:43:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Islands Trust land use bylaws that contain a similar provision repeat the legislation authorizing

[3:43:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: entry at any reasonable times. Staff are recommending that when the opportunity to

[3:43:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: amend the LUB arises, the 24-hours notice provision should be removed from the LUB.

[3:43:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: This would more clearly support the LTC using policy to establish what it considers reasonable

[3:43:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: times, notification periods, what exceptions there should be to the notification period,

[3:43:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and to revise the policy when warranted. This has been added to the document tracking potential

[3:44:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: potential technical amendments. So we have the proposed policy and it addresses the notice of

[3:44:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: site inspections, deferred enforcement, time to comply, frivolous and vexatious complaints,

[3:44:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: definition of minor contraventions, and the use of discretions. The LTC has determined that more

[3:44:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: notice of inspections is required in the context of Saturna Island. The proposed policy would

[3:44:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: establish a minimum of 30 days notice of inspection for almost all site inspections.

[3:44:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: There would be exceptions for short-term vacation rentals under certain criteria, health and safety issues, issued TUPs, and work causing environmental damage.

[3:44:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Those matters are either priority or urgent depending on the circumstances, and a delay in a site inspection could jeopardize enforcement efforts or public safety.

[3:44:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: safety. The policy would specify that where a contribution has confirmed in most circumstances,

[3:44:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the respondent would be provided with a minimum of 90 days to comply before any further enforcement

[3:45:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: action is commenced and that a by-law officer may use discretion to consider up to one year to

[3:45:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: comply. Finally, the policy would establish that enforcement files may be closed by the manager

[3:45:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for minor structures with only gun complaint or circumstances where it is unreasonable for

[3:45:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: responded to comply or for frivolous repeat or vexatious complaints proposed policy document is

[3:45:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: an opportunity to ensure that those issues are addressed in an open and transparent manner

[3:45:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and to allow the local trust committee the opportunity to provide additional direction to

[3:45:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: staff and how to conduct bylaw enforcement so staff recommended the local trust committee adopt

[3:45:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the attached policy attempting to incorporate this policy into an amended infractions

[3:45:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Investigation bylaw or LUB is not recommended for the following reasons.

[3:45:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And quite specifically, RPM Kojima has given you a bullet list of reasons

[3:46:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: why we are recommending that the discretion that you're exercising here

[3:46:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is to have in the policy a notification period for 30 days

[3:46:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or whatever period of time you believe is appropriate.

[3:46:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and for that should not be adopted into another by-law,

[3:46:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: whether it be the land use by-law or the administrative by-law.

[3:46:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The rationale for the recommendation is that local trust meetings

[3:46:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: have been established with policies piecemeal,

[3:46:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and for individual issues, the adoption of standing resolutions.

[3:46:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Consolidating existing policies into one document

[3:46:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and establishing additional policies for enforcement procedures

[3:46:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that can be readily accessed by staff and the general public

[3:46:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: should ensure a more efficient and open and transparent access

[3:46:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: access to information and policies, and a better understanding of how bylaw enforcement is

[3:46:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: conducted. Implementing these measures through a bylaw enforcement policy would be consistent with

[3:46:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the recently endorsed amendments to Trust Council Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Policy 551,

[3:47:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and incorporating such policies wholesale into an LTC bylaw is not recommended and is likely not

[3:47:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: possible as many of the policy provisions are not regulations, but of an operational nature.

[3:47:15] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: nature. So the recommended recommendation is that the Saturn Island Local Trust Committee

[3:47:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: adopt the proposed bylaw compliance and enforcement policy, but you do have alternative

[3:47:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: available alternatives available to you. You can ask for the report to come back with further

[3:47:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: revisions. You can direct staff to proceed no further with work on the policy document

[3:47:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and or that they

[3:47:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: turn on local trust committee direct staff to

[3:47:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: report back with amendments to

[3:47:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: CETRNA by-law infractions investigations

[3:47:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: by-law number 30.

[3:47:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So those are your alternative

[3:47:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: options to the one that's recommended.

[3:47:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Over to you, Chair.

[3:47:59] Voice 3: Thank you, Manager Dingman. Trustees?

[3:48:03] Voice 3: Thank you. Yes.

[3:48:07] Voice 5: I'll give you one second.

[3:48:08] Voice 5: I just want to

[3:48:09] Voice 5: someone to take my place

[3:48:12] Voice 5: here.

[3:48:16] Voice 5: So, yeah, thank you very much for the report and the enforcement policy, the bylaw enforcement policy, which we've had, I think, previously said is exactly what we're after.

[3:48:34] Voice 5: I respectfully have to tell you I am not going to follow the recommendations to not enact some of this in the bylaw.

[3:48:45] Voice 5: And it just comes from a difference of our roles.

[3:48:50] Voice 5: Obviously, the Local Trust Act or the Islands Trust Act gave a role for elected officials on islands to take the tenor of their communities and make decisions based on that.

[3:49:09] Voice 5: And that's an important facet of the role.

[3:49:11] Voice 5: It's not the role of staff.

[3:49:13] Voice 5: The roles differ.

[3:49:14] Voice 5: I respect that.

[3:49:15] Voice 5: so i actually have two motions that i think i'd make before we adopt the policy

[3:49:19] Voice 5: which i've sent to you chair um and they are that uh in regards the um i think i referenced

[3:49:30] Voice 5: in the original email the the statement in the local use bylaw of the land use bylaw to replace

[3:49:36] Voice 5: at all reasonable times with thought with 30 days notice the complainant this notice period

[3:49:43] Voice 5: PERIOD MAY BE VARIED BY THE LTC THROUGH RESOLUTION ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND THEN IF YOU FOLLOW

[3:49:50] Voice 5: THAT THAT WORDING ON I'LL JUST READ IT AND THEN SO I MAY HAVE MIXED THEM AROUND YEAH THAT'S WHAT

[3:49:59] Voice 5: WE'RE CALLING BY-LAW 30 IS REPLACING AT ALL REASONABLE TIMES WITH FOLLOWING 30'S NOTICE

[3:50:04] Voice 5: OF THE COMPLAINT AND THIS PERIOD MAY BE VARIED BY THE LTC THROUGH RESOLUTION ON CASE-BY-CASE BASIS

[3:50:10] Voice 5: then the parallel wording in the land use bylaw that references by law enforcement

[3:50:15] Voice 5: um will be modified thus replace 24 hours notice with following 30 days notice of the complainant

[3:50:22] Voice 5: this notice period may be varied by the ltc through resolution on a case-by-case basis

[3:50:28] Voice 5: so those are the two motions so they're they're um but i won't speak to them i'll be free to handle

[3:50:35] Voice 5: so trustee bowman how

[3:50:41] Voice 3: were you standing on that i

[3:50:44] Voice 14: support the fact that we need to get 30 days

[3:50:48] Voice 14: into every possible mention of inspection and in fact it supports what uh uh staff dingman said

[3:50:59] Voice 14: which was you know sometimes people go to one policy and i say something we go someplace else

[3:51:04] Voice 14: when I say something else. I think to be absolutely bulletproof, we need it in every

[3:51:10] Voice 14: possible mention of inspections. So I, from the very beginning, I believe that we need that to

[3:51:19] Voice 14: be clear. The first time I opened bylaw 30, it just threw everything up in the air. And then we,

[3:51:25] Voice 14: you know, muddled around looking at various things. So in general, the whole tenor of the

[3:51:30] Voice 14: The improvements to by-law enforcement policies is excellent,

[3:51:35] Voice 14: and I like it, but the 30 days, I feel, is very important to our community.

[3:51:42] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:51:46] Voice 3: Right.

[3:51:48] Voice 3: I guess equally, Manager Dingman,

[3:51:52] Voice 3: do you have any comments on the proposed amendments?

[3:51:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So if I understand, well, actually, it made me a question.

[3:52:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So will you adopt the current policy today and then also adopt these motions for amending the bylaws, Bylaw 30 and then the land use bylaw?

[3:52:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Is that the intention?

[3:52:18] Voice 5: Yeah, ideally we would do all three, yeah.

[3:52:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Okay, yeah.

[3:52:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Yeah, I don't have any further comments, Chair.

[3:52:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Okay.

[3:52:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I understand the process.

[3:52:28] Voice 3: All righty.

[3:52:31] Voice 3: I'm assuming that Carly's got it.

[3:52:34] Voice 3: What

[3:52:34] Voice 14: order should we do them in?

[3:52:36] Voice 14: Is there a particular order that makes sense?

[3:52:39] Voice 14: I don't know, Warren, if you can.

[3:52:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I don't think the order actually matters myself.

[3:52:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: If you're going to adopt all three, say this policy is good,

[3:52:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: which you have said repeatedly, then you should adopt the policy.

[3:52:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And then if you want

[3:52:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: this further work done,

[3:52:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you should adopt those resolutions so that staff now have direction

[3:52:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on where else you want the reference to the 30-day notice period.

[3:53:04] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you for that.

[3:53:08] Voice 5: I'll make the motion right now then. First, we'll come back to the

[3:53:12] Voice 5: wording of the others in a moment. I'll move that the Saturn Island Local Trust Committee adopt the

[3:53:16] Voice 5: proposed Saturn Island by-law compliance and enforcement policy. Second, Trustee Bowman?

[3:53:23] Voice 3: Okay, second. Any for the discussion? No, I think that carries. Thank you.

[3:53:30] Voice 5: All right. So,

[3:53:31] Voice 5: when i have another motion yes i uh i moved that in by law 30 replacing at all reasonable times

[3:53:39] Voice 5: we should check it's 30 actually i don't have my notes on this page in front of me but

[3:53:44] Voice 5: uh replacing all reasonable times with following 30 days actually you forward that to the word

[3:53:50] Voice 5: okay so chair so that that would be the first motion um just referencing the bylaw at the

[3:53:58] Voice 5: beginning okay i just

[3:54:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: noticed in the wording you want at all reasonable times following 30

[3:54:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: days notice to the respondent or property owner

[3:54:09] Voice 5: uh yes so so we're basically removing at all

[3:54:14] Voice 5: reasonable times and then adding in uh 30 days notice to if you prefer the word respondent i

[3:54:23] Voice 5: have complainant but um if if respondent is um is the preferred word i'm certainly

[3:54:29] Voice 5: we're

[3:54:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: not investigating the complainant's property there's a complaint against

[3:54:35] Voice 5: yeah

[3:54:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: someone's property we technically refer to that person as the respondent to the complaint

[3:54:42] Voice 5: thank you

[3:54:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for that yes so

[3:54:43] Voice 5: i would i would put uh replace complainant with respondent and then i've

[3:54:48] Voice 5: I've put in sort of this clause here, which you may or may not find useful, but hopefully you do,

[3:54:54] Voice 5: which this notice period may be varied by the LTC through resolution on a case-by-case basis.

[3:55:05] Voice 3: Go ahead, Professor Gold.

[3:55:10] Voice 14: Are you expecting me to say something?

[3:55:13] Voice 3: No, I can put your hand up, so I thought you had something to say.

[3:55:16] Voice 14: Yes, I am seconding it, if that's appropriate.

[3:55:19] Voice 3: Okay,

[3:55:20] Voice 14: all right.

[3:55:21] Voice 3: So any further discussion?

[3:55:24] Voice 3: No.

[3:55:25] Voice 3: Okay, so call the question on favor.

[3:55:28] Voice 3: that

[3:55:28] Voice 5: carries okay the same motion is in uh bylaw 119 which i believe is our land use bylaw

[3:55:37] Voice 5: uh and we could be more specific as to there is only one mention we could put the clause in but

[3:55:43] Voice 5: i think the intent is clear um and um bylaw 119 replaced 24 hours notice with following 30 days

[3:55:52] Voice 5: notice to the respondent this notice period may be varied by the ltc through resolution

[3:55:57] Voice 5: on a case-by-case basis.

[3:55:59] Voice 5: Okay. Trustee Bowman?

[3:56:02] Voice 5: Seconded?

[3:56:03] Voice 3: For the discussion?

[3:56:04] Voice 3: For the question.

[3:56:05] Voice 3: That carries.

[3:56:08] Voice 3: Thank you. So are we

[3:56:10] Voice 3: done

[3:56:11] Voice 5: with Mr. Dengan?

[3:56:13] Voice 5: Again, thanks for all the work

[3:56:14] Voice 5: and thanks for your understanding on that.

[3:56:17] Voice 5: I think it's probably

[3:56:18] Voice 5: not quite as clear why we would wish

[3:56:20] Voice 5: to do that, but I think it just

[3:56:23] Voice 5: comes from our different perspectives and I appreciate

[3:56:24] Voice 5: your forbearance and

[3:56:26] Voice 5: And we need no fettering or any kind of commentary about bylaw enforcement.

[3:56:34] Voice 5: We think we're well served here, and you guys do a great job.

[3:56:37] Voice 5: So it's not coming from that perspective at all.

[3:56:40] Voice 5: So thank you for your work, and thanks for the support there.

[3:56:45] Voice 17: Warren?

[3:56:45] Voice 5: You're welcome.

[3:56:46] Voice 17: Thanks.

[3:56:47] Voice 17: Warren, before you run away, can you just summarize a follow-up action item that's for you, please?

[3:56:53] Voice 17: I wasn't following all of that discussion.

[3:56:55] Voice 17: for

[3:56:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for you for you so the policies need to have been adopted so they need to be posted

[3:57:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to the website for all to see and then they have the two resolutions around

[3:57:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: amending bylaw 30 and the land use bylaw

[3:57:16] Voice 16: proceed with or those

[3:57:18] Voice 17: are just going to be

[3:57:19] Voice 16: technical amendments yes

[3:57:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: i believe they would

[3:57:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would just be technical amendments to remove the reference to 24 hours and have it at 30 days as

[3:57:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: per the

[3:57:28] Voice 17: police adopted resolutions on uh on the technical amendments list was that what we're

[3:57:37] Voice 16: doing yes

[3:57:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: sure

[3:57:39] Voice 16: thank you all right thank

[3:57:43] Voice 3: you manager dingman you're

[3:57:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: welcome yes thank you

[3:57:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: all

[3:57:47] Voice 5: right uh so let me just ask a quick question however we do want to be clear that putting the

[3:57:54] Voice 5: bylaws on the technical amendment uh list we do need to see action sooner than later in regards

[3:58:01] Voice 5: that adjustment particularly when we've heard any other technical amendments that they vary i think

[3:58:08] Voice 5: you

[3:58:09] Voice 17: might have others we we keep a trap a spreadsheet but you did do a technical amendment

[3:58:14] Voice 17: clean up not

[3:58:16] Voice 16: that long ago

[3:58:16] Voice 17: when you for example changed the school ground to permit so there

[3:58:21] Voice 5: There

[3:58:21] Voice 17: wasn't that long ago, but it's not.

[3:58:23] Voice 17: So there's probably five or six or something there.

[3:58:29] Voice 5: And just to clarify, a technical amendment to a land use bylaw does not affect the OCP

[3:58:34] Voice 5: and therefore does not require ministerial approval or referrals, is that so?

[3:58:39] Voice 5: Correct.

[3:58:39] Voice 5: Okay, thank you. I can look at that then.

[3:58:42] Voice 5: All

[3:58:42] Voice 3: right. So we go to page 95, short-term big rental accommodation.

[3:58:48] Voice 3: There's a report there from the director of CIRMAC.

[3:58:53] Voice 3: I'm assuming that there's no interest in the opt-in for this year.

[3:59:02] Voice 4: 17.2?

[3:59:04] Voice 4: 17.2.

[3:59:06] Voice 4: I don't think we've got that.

[3:59:07] Voice 3: Oh, we didn't?

[3:59:08] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:59:08] Voice 3: So I've just totally goofed up.

[3:59:10] Voice 3: I'm sorry.

[3:59:11] Voice 3: So let's fall back to page 92.

[3:59:14] Voice 3: to certain obviously being procedures to appeal by the specialization of age 92.

[3:59:20] Voice 5: but i need to refer that to the next meeting i think there's no urgency around it and

[3:59:25] Voice 5: we're obviously uh trying to get to the end clear as productive a way as possible

[3:59:32] Voice 17: um i'm guessing that if you just adopt today uh it's just a clerical change and then that will

[3:59:39] Voice 17: left david marler just moved forward with doing that across the board okay

[3:59:43] Voice 14: do you want me to move

[3:59:44] Voice 14: the motion that

[3:59:45] Voice 17: would be my i think ideally we would have that decision before four months from

[3:59:53] Voice 17: Okay,

[3:59:54] Voice 3: I'm ready to move it back in case there are people who want it.

[3:59:58] Voice 14: I believe that the island

[4:00:00] Voice 14: trust executive no what am i reading am i

[4:00:04] Voice 14: sorry i need to go i'm reading the wrong thing recommendation that the saturn

[4:00:13] Voice 14: island local trust committee bylaw 144 cited as saturn island local trust committee meeting

[4:00:23] Voice 14: procedures repeal bylaw number 144 2 or 2 5 be adopted is this right

[4:00:31] Voice 5: I second that.

[4:00:32] Voice 5: For the rescheduling?

[4:00:33] Voice 5: Yes.

[4:00:34] Voice 5: No.

[4:00:35] Voice 5: Okay.

[4:00:35] Voice 5: Yeah.

[4:00:36] Voice 5: Okay.

[4:00:38] Voice 5: There's

[4:00:38] Voice 14: a bit of a

[4:00:39] Voice 14: sort of a double negative thing that just threw my head into a loop.

[4:00:43] Voice 14: Okay.

[4:00:43] Voice 14: Fair enough.

[4:00:44] Voice 3: They do that.

[4:00:45] Voice 3: Okay.

[4:00:45] Voice 3: So, call the question all in favor?

[4:00:47] Voice 13: Yeah.

[4:00:48] Voice 3: That carries.

[4:00:49] Voice 3: Now, the research communication combination briefing against yesterday's briefing.

[4:00:58] Voice 3: I

[4:00:58] Voice 5: can see why communities would do it we may do it given the short time frame to the end of March

[4:01:07] Voice 5: not for anyone's fault just we haven't been considering it I think we were probably okay

[4:01:12] Voice 5: to wait and see how our summer unfolds and then revisit it for the next deadline next year

[4:01:18] Voice 5: but I would say we have two thumbs up

[4:01:22] Voice 3: from trust people so you've done well

[4:01:23] Voice 3: Okay. So now, we're spinning through here. We're even late now. So 18.1, we have draft 326, 27.1, we've got the meeting scheduled. I know that there is a discussion about changing venues. So if you want to change venues, this is the time to do it.

[4:01:44] Voice 3: it well

[4:01:45] Voice 5: um just i think brazilian our our audience there asked if we could we used to

[4:01:54] Voice 5: alternate between the rec center and the community hall um and then the pandemic came and you know

[4:02:02] Voice 5: doing different policies around how crowds could be handled and we just not returned

[4:02:06] Voice 5: to the community so like there's no such restriction now we could you know go back

[4:02:12] Voice 5: back to our previous practice.

[4:02:18] Voice 7: I think the next maintains all of the

[4:02:22] Voice 7: and that will be through Michael Pierce.

[4:02:25] Voice 7: Okay.

[4:02:27] Voice 5: Yeah, the staff, I think that we would just make them aware

[4:02:30] Voice 5: of who they were, who they would coordinate.

[4:02:33] Voice 5: Do we, well, I think April 30th is probably.

[4:02:41] Voice 13: Yeah.

[4:02:42] Voice 13: So

[4:02:43] Voice 3: what you can do is you can adopt

[4:02:44] Voice 3: off as presented and then have an additional veteran told you to ask the staff to investigate

[4:02:52] Voice 3: the option of using the community hall

[4:02:54] Voice 5: yeah i would say probably not actually

[4:02:57] Voice 5: yeah

[4:02:58] Voice 7: so

[4:03:01] Voice 5: okay i'll move it at the time yeah

[4:03:05] Voice 14: i agree with uh swapping locations if only every

[4:03:10] Voice 14: second time i think some people find that there's an echo where you are and it makes it difficult

[4:03:17] Voice 14: and certainly the wi-fi is a little unreliable which i don't quite understand but it seems like

[4:03:24] Voice 14: it is so yeah i vote that we go to the community hall on occasion at least

[4:03:29] Voice 3: so i would suggest the

[4:03:32] Voice 3: first motion is the one that's on page 114 we just do it as it is and then do a second motion

[4:03:38] Voice 5: your request and staff okay i'll move that super nine local press committee approves that are

[4:03:43] Voice 5: april 22nd states to march let me tell myself i'm meeting today so

[4:03:47] Voice 4: yeah call questions yeah

[4:03:52] Voice 14: by the

[4:03:53] Voice 14: way i really like the presentation of the dates with the calendar and the other meetings

[4:03:58] Voice 8: it's

[4:03:58] Voice 5: really good yeah yeah

[4:04:00] Voice 14: i'll share that widely it's very good

[4:04:02] Voice 5: so maybe what we could do just to

[4:04:05] Voice 5: try it out is ask staff to investigate holding the is April 30th too soon or is that sufficient time

[4:04:17] Voice 5: depends on many of the other things so yeah well we could say that April 30th and or the July 23rd

[4:04:26] Voice 5: depending on availability at the saturn island community mall so Carly did you capture that

[4:04:33] Voice 3: that as a motion yes

[4:04:36] Voice 12: i did you want me to read it out or no

[4:04:38] Voice 3: it's all good you were okay so

[4:04:41] Voice 3: second and trustee yeah

[4:04:43] Voice 13: a

[4:04:44] Voice 3: discussion call a question on favor

[4:04:46] Voice 5: we did not what meetings

[4:04:48] Voice 5: were those at april 30th and july 23rd

[4:04:52] Voice 17: at their community home

[4:04:53] Voice 5: yeah if available otherwise we'll

[4:04:56] Voice 5: keep them working here and then we can determine after that because that will be the end of the

[4:05:01] Voice 5: term how did it go and we can make a recommendation for the next term is to have the music okay

[4:05:07] Voice 5: so

[4:05:11] Voice 5: i'm

[4:05:12] Voice 3: respecting your children yeah yeah

[4:05:14] Voice 5: no i actually that's something to

[4:05:15] Voice 3: jump in there

[4:05:16] Voice 3: so we have a town hall too we have a town hall participant so go ahead it's all yours

[4:05:23] Voice 7: just really cast a line here and we're used to the price it doesn't practice maybe it was about the

[4:05:29] Voice 7: the way that

[4:05:31] Voice 7: Christopoulos' thinking was laid out

[4:05:32] Voice 7: and had such an emphasis on

[4:05:34] Voice 7: first nations?

[4:05:37] Voice 7: Did you think we knew that?

[4:05:40] Voice 3: Well, yeah.

[4:05:43] Voice 3: And that's

[4:05:44] Voice 3: one of the reasons to get that

[4:05:46] Voice 3: feedback.

[4:05:48] Voice 3: Yeah.

[4:05:49] Voice 3: I think

[4:05:51] Voice 4: at least personally, I believe

[4:05:53] Voice 4: that the traffic council would

[4:05:56] Voice 4: see the wisdom themselves

[4:05:58] Voice 4: themselves and change course. But it kept rolling down the pipe. And so I was surprised.

[4:06:10] Voice 7: I would like, I think you have people who are really interested in somehow going through

[4:06:18] Voice 7: the computerizing. We don't feel involved. And if you're going to have policy directives

[4:06:24] Voice 7: It's from such a hard place for me to be left.

[4:06:26] Voice 7: Who wants to be left out?

[4:06:28] Voice 7: I

[4:06:29] Voice 5: think the reality is people only get involved

[4:06:31] Voice 5: when they come to a sufficiently finished nature to present.

[4:06:36] Voice 5: That's why we went to the first reading,

[4:06:38] Voice 5: was to, you know, some people just screw with that.

[4:06:42] Voice 7: Yeah,

[4:06:44] Voice 5: so I think the process is working as intended.

[4:06:47] Voice 7: But as you say, there's no more time.

[4:06:49] Voice 3: And that was difficult because, you know,

[4:06:52] Voice 3: if we've dealt with this in the actual meeting there would have been lots of time to consider

[4:07:11] Voice 3: so the greater message has been received by the lpc but if individuals talk to claire

[4:07:17] Voice 3: They've identified your concerns, but I just think, I think that, I think that Saterna

[4:07:21] Voice 3: was victim of circumstances because it was, both happened in October and we couldn't have

[4:07:28] Voice 3: the meetings and you know, this is our first kick at the cat and I can, I can only apologize,

[4:07:33] Voice 3: but you know, we had, it was totally out of our control.

[4:07:37] Voice 3: So and I, so I think that we have a discussion with Clare and don't know what could be happening.

[4:07:43] Voice 3: All

[4:07:44] Voice 4: other communities have an opportunity to see if you're

[4:07:49] Voice 7: in the final with

[4:07:52] Voice 4: your arms, you know,

[4:07:54] Voice 4: that's sitting on the

[4:07:58] Voice 4: fence.

[4:07:59] Voice 3: That's the

[4:07:59] Voice 3: interesting thing is that there are some I don't

[4:08:03] Voice 3: think so. You've seen the I think they actually went on for

[4:08:07] Voice 3: three days is this the demo no no comments about the community content

[4:08:15] Voice 3: thank you thank

[4:08:19] Voice 9: you

[4:08:28] Voice 3: carly thank you lisa thanks for everybody thank you everybody

[4:08:40] Voice 4: Thank you

[4:08:40] Voice 14: for, as usual, you're both of you are stalwart stalwart participants.

[4:08:50] Voice 7: I noticed Priscilla

[4:08:53] Voice 4: and I were on the same side.