Islands Trust Conservancy Board special meeting, January 30, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 14: I like your haircut.

[0:00:04] Voice 7: Oh, thank you. Yeah, I just have my hair tied back.

[0:00:09] Voice 13: Good morning, everyone. I'll call the meeting to order.

[0:00:11] Voice 13: This is the Island Trust Conservancy Board special meeting on Friday, January 30th, 2026.

[0:00:19] Voice 13: The time is 1030.

[0:00:23] Voice 13: I'd like to start by acknowledging the land that we are all meeting on today as a traditional unceded territories of many Coast Salish nations.

[0:00:37] Voice 13: I started trying to move some things around on my screen. See my notes? Talk about that.

[0:00:42] Voice 13: For the past six years, the Penelakut and Galliano elders, in cooperation with the Galliano Conservancy and the Galliano Food Program,

[0:00:49] Voice 13: and many, many, many others have hosted a hands-on Feed the People workshop

[0:00:54] Voice 13: focused on deer processing in support of local food resilience.

[0:00:59] Voice 13: These workshops teach practical skills, how to skin, debone, grind,

[0:01:05] Voice 13: and preserve animals, while sharing knowledge about respectful relationships

[0:01:09] Voice 13: with the land and the animal and creating a space where people can connect

[0:01:14] Voice 13: with one another.

[0:01:15] Voice 13: other. Branching out from Galliano to the main island, a similar event is now planned. The Feed

[0:01:23] Voice 13: the People Deer Processing Workshop, led by Sartlip hunter Adam Sampson, will take place on

[0:01:28] Voice 13: February 8th on May 9th. This workshop is about caring for teachings that have been shared across

[0:01:35] Voice 13: generations, bringing families, elders, and community members together to practice harvesting

[0:01:42] Voice 13: food with respect and caring for one another and maintaining balance with the

[0:01:47] Voice 13: land. The connection of Penelakut, Galliano and now Maine through this work, these

[0:01:56] Voice 13: gatherings can help restore relationships between people, between our

[0:02:00] Voice 13: islands and between the communities and the land. In a way feeding the people is

[0:02:06] Voice 13: is also about restoring balance.

[0:02:08] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:02:09] Voice 13: My name is Lisa Govro.

[0:02:10] Voice 13: I am elected on Galliano Island.

[0:02:15] Voice 13: Maybe we'll do really brief introductions going around.

[0:02:20] Voice 13: Over to you, Vice-Chair Namkham.

[0:02:24] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair Govro.

[0:02:25] Voice 7: Good morning, everyone.

[0:02:26] Voice 7: My name is Tanner Timothy.

[0:02:28] Voice 7: I come from Flauman First Nation,

[0:02:30] Voice 7: as well as Wiwakai through my paternal grandmothers.

[0:02:34] Voice 7: My traditional name is Namkham,

[0:02:36] Voice 7: and my uh colonial name is tanner timothy i am a provincially appointed uh trustee member of

[0:02:43] Voice 7: the island's trust conservancy and acting as vice chair currently um thank you and i will pass it

[0:02:49] Voice 7: over to trustee uh jeannie georgeson hey

[0:02:55] Voice 10: i'm janine georgeson i am provincially appointed

[0:02:58] Voice 10: appointed trustee from Galleano Island and yeah I will trustee Elliott morning

[0:03:09] Voice 3: everyone I'm happy

[0:03:10] Voice 3: to be with you all I'm Toby Elliott elected here in Sonamuk territory on Gabriela and representing

[0:03:18] Voice 3: Magendacorsi Islands I also sit as a member of the executive board and serve as a liaison to

[0:03:24] Voice 3: the Conservancy. Thank you. And pass it to Risa Smith. Hi,

[0:03:32] Trustee Smith (probable): my name is Risa Smith. I'm a provincial appointee

[0:03:34] Trustee Smith (probable): living in Penelakut Territory at the north end of Galliano Island.

[0:03:41] Voice 13: Thank you. Good morning.

[0:03:42] Voice 13: I pass it over to Wendy.

[0:03:44] Voice 14: Perhaps you'd like to introduce the crew.

[0:03:47] Voice 14: Good morning. My name is Wendy

[0:03:49] Voice 14: Tyrrell. I'm the manager of the Island Stress Conservancy. I am living on the lands of the

[0:03:54] Voice 14: Lekwungen speaking peoples, specifically the Esquimalt and Songhees Nations. And I am looking

[0:04:02] Voice 14: forward to our meeting today. I'd like to pass it on to our administration host, Jill Allen. Jill,

[0:04:09] Voice 14: can you introduce yourself, please?

[0:04:11] Voice 11: Hi, everyone. I'm Jill Allen. I'm the Acting Administrative

[0:04:15] Voice 11: Assistant for the Islands Trust Conservancy. And I'm in Victoria in the territory of the Esquimalt

[0:04:21] Voice 11: and songhees nations anybody

[0:04:27] Voice 14: else we have in the call yes director freighter

[0:04:32] Voice 12: good morning everyone uh claire freighter director of trust air services very pleased to join you

[0:04:37] Voice 12: this morning from the territories of the wissanage peoples and i'll be hovering in the background

[0:04:42] Voice 12: today with my camera off for some of the meeting thank

[0:04:45] Voice 13: you very much for that anyone else there i

[0:04:49] Voice 13: don't see anybody else i just want to mention that we have regrets from trustee yates from

[0:04:54] Voice 13: gabriela for today's meeting and let's get to it we have uh can

[0:04:58] Trustee Smith (probable): i just lisa can i just say

[0:04:59] Trustee Smith (probable): something oh absolutely yeah i just want to apologize in advance i'm i've had about an hour

[0:05:05] Trustee Smith (probable): sleep i had a bit of a family crisis last night so i'm very

[0:05:10] Trustee Smith (probable): tired but i've read all the material

[0:05:12] Trustee Smith (probable): i am here i'm listening but

[0:05:14] Voice 4: if i nod off i hope not thank you okay

[0:05:17] Voice 13: yeah you got it thanks for

[0:05:20] Voice 13: Thanks for letting us know.

[0:05:21] Voice 7: We'll be keeping you in our thoughts and prayers, Risa.

[0:05:25] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:05:27] Voice 13: All right.

[0:05:28] Voice 13: Let's move on to the approval of the agenda.

[0:05:30] Voice 13: Is there any additions to the agenda for anyone?

[0:05:34] Voice 13: I actually do have an item that I would like to add to new business.

[0:05:38] Voice 13: I know we have a short meeting today,

[0:05:39] Voice 13: but hopefully this is not contentious or anything and that we can move

[0:05:44] Voice 13: through it pretty quickly.

[0:05:45] Voice 13: We'll add it to new business later.

[0:05:52] Voice 13: How does that sound to the board?

[0:05:54] Voice 7: I don't have any other additions. I just want to relay the message that I have to step out at 12.30, unfortunately. I saw the Zoom meeting to 1.30, but I thought it might have been scheduled to 12.30. I'm not sure if there's additional time, but I unfortunately have to step out at 12.30.

[0:06:13] Voice 14: Apologies for that confusion. Yeah, the meeting does end at 12.30. That was a reschedule incident there. Sorry about that.

[0:06:23] Voice 14: No

[0:06:23] Voice 1: raise at all.

[0:06:24] Voice 14: So 10.30 to 12.30.

[0:06:26] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:06:27] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:06:27] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:06:28] Voice 1: Thank you very much.

[0:06:29] Voice 13: I'm in a similar situation.

[0:06:31] Voice 13: I have a place I need to open up the restaurant.

[0:06:34] Voice 13: All right.

[0:06:35] Voice 13: So then I guess we will approve the agenda as amended.

[0:06:42] Voice 14: Chair Gavreau, do you want to mention what the new business is?

[0:06:46] Voice 13: Oh, sure thing.

[0:06:47] Voice 13: I was hoping to get board support.

[0:06:48] Voice 13: I was hoping that the to ask the board to have the ITC send a letter to Trust

[0:06:55] Voice 13: Council from me possibly a support of funding for the registered biologist and

[0:07:02] Voice 13: that that funding be included in this upcoming budget not sure the board feels

[0:07:07] Voice 13: about that but we have some time to think about it between now and later in

[0:07:10] Voice 13: the meeting if I can get some support I think I could drop that letter and have

[0:07:14] Voice 13: it out this can't wait until another meeting so there's possibility it gets

[0:07:18] Voice 13: kicked to a WRM. Yeah, our next meeting is after the budget discussions at Trust Council.

[0:07:27] Voice 13: All right, so that being said, do we have approval of the agenda as amended?

[0:07:35] Voice 13: Seeing some thumbs up. Great, awesome. And by general consent, we'll do an amended agenda.

[0:07:43] Voice 13: Right on. Item four, rise and report. None. Item five, adoption of minutes. Seeing none.

[0:07:50] Voice 13: brings us right to the business and we're going to go right to item 6.1.1 over to you manager

[0:07:56] Voice 13: okay

[0:07:59] Voice 14: we have a request for decision in front of you here for the referral response to bylaw number

[0:08:06] Voice 14: 183 the island stress policy statement um staff have gathered some comments for the board's

[0:08:11] Voice 14: consideration uh regarding the referral response um and i will leave it to the board for discussion

[0:08:18] Voice 14: discussion.

[0:08:20] Voice 13: Excellent. Thank you. So then I asked the board, how do you guys want to proceed? How

[0:08:24] Voice 13: would you like to move through these requirements? These are these recommendations. Staff will put

[0:08:30] Voice 13: together a motion here. We can start there. And then we can work into the items that are mentioned

[0:08:36] Voice 13: on the remainder of the staff report. Items for us to follow up on from discussion, previous

[0:08:43] Voice 13: discussion or we also have the uh letter that Toby has circulated as well um yeah how does

[0:08:53] Voice 13: the board receive any any preference on how to move through this quickly I don't know what you

[0:09:00] Voice 13: mean by the letter

[0:09:01] Trustee Smith (probable): that Toby has circulated

[0:09:02] Voice 13: it would be in your email remember we you drafted

[0:09:05] Voice 13: a letter and sent it at the last board meeting oh

[0:09:09] Trustee Smith (probable): the points that that Toby had just summarized

[0:09:12] Trustee Smith (probable): yeah okay i didn't i didn't see it as a letter thanks a lot sure

[0:09:17] Voice 13: thing uh we can move through

[0:09:18] Voice 13: that first or we can start here with the recommendations from staff any preference

[0:09:25] Voice 13: and i'm

[0:09:26] Voice 14: happy to share um toby's motions as well just

[0:09:33] Voice 3: elliot i think if we can start with

[0:09:35] Voice 3: the recommendations from staff because they're more general nature and then perhaps staff can

[0:09:42] Voice 3: help us refine any of the proposed you know motions we were discussing last meeting um and

[0:09:52] Voice 3: in particular i think we need some conversation on what grounds the conservancy is um approval

[0:10:02] Voice 3: or not approval or recommendations on like sort of what is what is the scope of our um

[0:10:08] Voice 3: area of interest to comment on. Thanks. Thank

[0:10:14] Voice 13: you very much. Perhaps we can get some

[0:10:19] Voice 13: comment from Manager Turrell? What sort of lens should the ITC be looking at in its referral

[0:10:24] Voice 13: response? I

[0:10:26] Voice 14: think the lens to consider when you're looking at these recommended changes or

[0:10:32] Voice 14: tweets to the policy statement is to limit your comments to the obligations and interests as the

[0:10:40] Voice 14: as an arm of the Islands Trust, as an agency, and in the act that would be acquiring land,

[0:10:47] Voice 14: managing land and disposing of land and properties. And properties does include

[0:10:51] Voice 14: monies if that's helpful. I don't think it is in this particular situation, but I think that's a

[0:10:56] Voice 14: good lens to sort of keep in mind when you're looking to make these recommendations. Happy

[0:11:06] Voice 14: Happy to answer questions as well as we go along.

[0:11:10] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:11:11] Voice 13: All right.

[0:11:11] Voice 13: Then maybe we'll pull up the recommendations from staff here.

[0:11:13] Voice 13: We have A, B, and C.

[0:11:23] Voice 13: And then so recommendation A, again, everybody can see that.

[0:11:28] Voice 13: How are we feeling about this one?

[0:11:30] Voice 13: Do we feel a good inclusion in response?

[0:11:42] Trustee Smith (probable): Trustee Smith.

[0:11:43] Trustee Smith (probable): I'm just a bit confused about process.

[0:11:45] Trustee Smith (probable): So maybe I could just ask you.

[0:11:46] Trustee Smith (probable): We have recommendations A, B, and C.

[0:11:49] Trustee Smith (probable): And then further on, we have a list that says the following have not been addressed in the staff recommendations, which is generally the list that we started to discuss the other day.

[0:12:04] Trustee Smith (probable): So what I don't understand is this recommendation, A, B, and C, like if we approve this, but this is not, like I've already said, I have no problem with these statements, but this isn't enough from my viewpoint.

[0:12:23] Trustee Smith (probable): It might be from others.

[0:12:25] Trustee Smith (probable): I don't understand if we just discuss these recommendations, then are we approving this?

[0:12:33] Voice 13: No.

[0:12:33] Voice 13: Without

[0:12:33] Trustee Smith (probable): the others. I don't know how it would work. I just don't understand the process.

[0:12:37] Voice 13: That's a good question. How do we get there, right?

[0:12:39] Trustee Smith (probable): What

[0:12:39] Voice 13: I'm perceiving is that we're going to go through A, B, and C, discuss those as a team, and then look into the recommendations below.

[0:12:47] Voice 13: I think it's on page three, the items that we didn't.

[0:12:50] Voice 13: We also have the other email from Toby that has about 13 different options on there and some other verbiage on that email as well to kind of consider.

[0:13:02] Voice 13: so I think we're going to go through yes follow-up question but aren't

[0:13:07] Trustee Smith (probable): aren't the ones

[0:13:08] Trustee Smith (probable): from Toby the same as the 13 in here not exactly lots of information

[0:13:13] Trustee Smith (probable): yeah manager

[0:13:14] Voice 13: that was

[0:13:16] Voice 14: what I wanted to mention apologies so I received those after um this RFD was written

[0:13:22] Voice 14: so they aren't exactly the same so um you uh it would be up to the board to either

[0:13:30] Voice 14: the board members suggestions and then refer back to the suggestions in the request for decision.

[0:13:40] Voice 14: They arose from the recommendations and discussions with Toby and Trustee Smith, so that would be up

[0:13:49] Voice 14: to you. And then also I just wanted to mention that you can approve A, B or C and C. You can amend A, B or C.

[0:13:57] Voice 14: you can have abnc and additional alternatives included in this so all the options are open to

[0:14:07] Voice 14: you thanks

[0:14:09] Voice 13: thank you thank you for that clarity all right any more questions from the board

[0:14:14] Voice 13: and we'll dive in um looking at recommendation a are there any how's everyone feeling about it

[0:14:22] Voice 13: thumbs up hey excellent nods i'm seeing nods looks good uh manager tyrell your hand is up

[0:14:37] Voice 13: i will

[0:14:39] Voice 13: take my hand down fantastic well i think because we seem to have a consensus on a i feel

[0:14:45] Voice 13: the same way uh let's move on to b uh b i did have a question on as well because i was actually

[0:14:54] Voice 13: looking at the language in the trust policy statement and it appears that in b that the

[0:15:02] Voice 13: only change is really the including critical habitat the last three words because the wording

[0:15:07] Voice 13: is the same in the trust policy statement or am i am i way off yeah 3.1 reads exactly as

[0:15:20] Voice 13: stated there except with the addition of the last three words including critical habitat

[0:15:26] Voice 13: at that which i think is an excellent addition apologies

[0:15:31] Voice 14: i think i missed that okay wait a minute

[0:15:35] Voice 14: i am looking that up right now um can i ask jill allen to please um share the resolution so that

[0:15:47] Voice 14: as we go through these we can make changes as necessary trustee

[0:16:00] Voice 3: elliott yes see what you mean

[0:16:03] Voice 3: chair um so the draft um policies 231 already states to collaborate closely with and be informed

[0:16:13] Voice 3: by so it's exactly as written um so the area in blue is already the suggested draft policy but

[0:16:23] Voice 3: the only change is the including critical habitat i see what you mean thanks for catching that so

[0:16:28] Voice 3: So yeah, with the port, the change to including critical habitat, the rest of it is as written.

[0:16:36] Trustee Smith (probable): Thank you. Trustee Smith?

[0:16:39] Trustee Smith (probable): Yeah, I'm just not hearing this.

[0:16:42] Trustee Smith (probable): Like, we've talked about areas of science-based conservation planning, but what about Indigenous conservation planning?

[0:16:49] Trustee Smith (probable): Like, it doesn't seem to be included there, but I thought that's where we were going,

[0:16:55] Trustee Smith (probable): and that that should be part of cooperation principles definitely

[0:17:00] Voice 13: but i think we're talking

[0:17:02] Voice 13: here this provisions about the about us the conservancy board itself that

[0:17:11] Voice 14: is my understanding

[0:17:12] Voice 14: as well yeah

[0:17:13] Voice 13: 2.3.3 is working towards collaborative governance with indigenous governing bodies

[0:17:17] Voice 13: i think that's already covered off in that section is that am i reading that right do

[0:17:23] Trustee Smith (probable): you see that

[0:17:24] Trustee Smith (probable): I do see that. I just see that 2.3.3 is about collaborative governance. And this is about knowledge. And that is where I'm confused. Like, I think we're all on the same page on what needs to be done. But we're talking about relationships in 2.3.3, which is great.

[0:17:48] Trustee Smith (probable): yeah but in 2.3 point um the one we're talking about says science-based yeah this one you're

[0:17:56] Trustee Smith (probable): talking about now yeah conservancy yeah yeah there's there's um the collaboration with the

[0:18:04] Trustee Smith (probable): islands trust conservancy i think should include not just science-based conservation planning but

[0:18:10] Trustee Smith (probable): indigenous conservation planning like we should be aware of that and that should be included

[0:18:16] Trustee Smith (probable): as a core principle in how we work.

[0:18:20] Trustee Smith (probable): And I just don't see that.

[0:18:22] Trustee Smith (probable): I see it there in terms of governance, which is great,

[0:18:24] Trustee Smith (probable): but I don't see it there in terms of knowledge.

[0:18:28] Trustee Smith (probable): And maybe this isn't the place to put it,

[0:18:29] Trustee Smith (probable): but somehow when

[0:18:31] Trustee Smith (probable): I see science-based,

[0:18:33] Trustee Smith (probable): I'm a scientist, I love that,

[0:18:35] Trustee Smith (probable): but I know it's not just about that.

[0:18:37] Trustee Smith (probable): And so I don't know how to include it,

[0:18:39] Trustee Smith (probable): but I think we're missing it.

[0:18:42] Voice 13: Vice-Chair Nankoff, go ahead.

[0:18:46] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair Gavreau.

[0:18:47] Voice 7: Thank you, Trustee Smith, for pointing that out and commenting to it.

[0:18:54] Voice 7: I would agree with you.

[0:18:56] Voice 7: And, you know, it is noted in the next section, but I think it would be, I think it has a lot of value and credence to include it in this piece when we're talking about science-based conservation.

[0:19:11] Voice 7: I do agree with you.

[0:19:12] Voice 7: I think it has value and it supports the other sections of what we're trying to do in terms of, you know, co-governance or working with First Nations.

[0:19:24] Voice 7: I think, you know, there's the concept that's been used in Canada is like the two-eyed seeing approach, right?

[0:19:31] Voice 7: And I think if we were to include that here in this statement and just amend this to include the Indigenous knowledge-based conservation, I think would have great value and just reinforces more our kind of commitment and the path that we're walking with First Nations.

[0:19:50] Voice 7: So I just want to thank you, Trustee Smith, for identifying that, because I even when I was reading through it last night, I was kind of waiting for that to be mentioned.

[0:19:59] Voice 7: And I think you raised a really good point. So just thank you for raising that. Maybe we can just explore that more of how that fits in. But I just want to say thank you.

[0:20:09] Voice 13: Thank you. Thank you for that. It's my understanding that this is about the relationship between Trust Council and the Trust Conservancy in particular.

[0:20:18] Voice 13: particular um and then it goes on to other municipalities and other interagency coordination

[0:20:24] Voice 13: under cooperation principles so i know that it fits but i just worry that if we get reload up

[0:20:31] Voice 13: that line too much with maybe policies we don't actually have at the moment that we might might

[0:20:38] Voice 13: be miss make a misstep somehow with that although we all believe in what you're saying so it's a

[0:20:45] Voice 13: tricky it's a tricky one trustee georginson okay

[0:20:50] Voice 10: thank you trustee smith for bringing that up and

[0:20:52] Voice 10: trustee momcom for speaking to it and what you're saying chair gavro because it's this is between

[0:21:00] Voice 10: like the ltc itc and municipalities and stuff i think from my perspective this is a step in the

[0:21:09] Voice 10: right direction of being inclusive of rights holders and their stewardship of land and spaces

[0:21:18] Voice 10: and these colonial structures have been in place for so long that have pushed out the Indigenous

[0:21:25] Voice 10: perspectives and stewardship of their lands and waters and I think this is a way that we can kind

[0:21:30] Voice 10: of start to incorporate that and bring a balance more forward.

[0:21:37] Voice 13: Interesting, so would that go into

[0:21:39] Voice 13: this provision or would it go into the preamble for the sections so it would read like two points

[0:21:45] Voice 13: three cooperation principles and adding something that would um underline or um point to the

[0:21:53] Voice 13: inclusion of rights holders would that be more appropriate do you think because i see that is

[0:21:59] Voice 13: missing from the section it does

[0:22:01] Voice 13: indigenous government bodies uh any more comments from

[0:22:05] Voice 13: the board on that trustee elliott thank you what do you think

[0:22:09] Voice 3: i would be cautious about adding a

[0:22:12] Voice 3: new section related to rights holders because we're directing trust council with how it would

[0:22:19] Voice 3: cooperate with other governing bodies i think we need to stay in our lane with how it undertakes

[0:22:26] Voice 3: cooperation with the conservancy um but i am hearing that including indigenous perspectives

[0:22:34] Voice 3: on land or could we say particular in the area of science-based or science-based and indigenous

[0:22:44] Voice 3: perspectives on conservation planning ecosystem mapping so we're folding in

[0:22:49] Voice 3: our work with conservation planning with the two lenses of science and knowledge and i would ask

[0:22:57] Voice 3: for staff to give us some advice before we just change this maybe um

[0:23:01] Voice 13: thank you uh manager trail um

[0:23:08] Voice 14: yes so uh i'm listening and and agreeing with what is being

[0:23:13] Voice 14: said here my concern i think is where it says be informed by um that our role would we would

[0:23:23] Voice 14: not be within our role possibly if we were informing on indigenous um based conservation

[0:23:30] Voice 14: conservation um so that's where i would just want to flag you know my concern there uh

[0:23:38] Voice 13: yes so you're

[0:23:38] Voice 13: saying that um we would be instructing on policies that we don't have yet in place is

[0:23:46] Voice 14: that yes i mean

[0:23:48] Voice 14: policies yes and also um our role to inform uh on indigenous perspectives of conservation

[0:23:55] Voice 14: um we can inform and as much as what we have learned from nations and from

[0:24:00] Voice 14: rights holders so just keeping that in mind thank

[0:24:07] Voice 13: you trustee smith

[0:24:08] Trustee Smith (probable): yeah i don't want to spend too

[0:24:10] Trustee Smith (probable): long on this tough my experience i think that's why we're having a five-year plan that is going

[0:24:17] Trustee Smith (probable): to include indigenous perspectives and this is the islands trust policy statement over the long

[0:24:23] Trustee Smith (probable): term and it affects us and everybody else and i think we will be in firm informed in our five-year

[0:24:29] Trustee Smith (probable): plan by science-based conservation planning and Indigenous, I don't know the exact words,

[0:24:36] Trustee Smith (probable): Indigenous perspectives on conservation, by science-based and Indigenous perspectives

[0:24:43] Trustee Smith (probable): on conservation planning. I'd just like to add Indigenous perspectives there because that we

[0:24:48] Trustee Smith (probable): will have that wealth. That is what our five-year plan is supposed to do. And I'm sure we're going

[0:24:54] Trustee Smith (probable): going to do that so i just usually in my experience other work i've done with this now in today's

[0:25:02] Trustee Smith (probable): world with our awareness about different ways of seeing whenever we say science-based what you

[0:25:09] Trustee Smith (probable): know conservation we we are also always including indigenous perspectives or some wording like that

[0:25:16] Trustee Smith (probable): because that is what we're doing and we recognize that's not either or but two perspectives that

[0:25:23] Trustee Smith (probable): have to be concluded so I would really like it to be included here and I don't think it's out of our

[0:25:27] Trustee Smith (probable): lane because we've been told that it's in our minister in a way anyway I don't care I do care

[0:25:36] Trustee Smith (probable): about this but you know if people don't want included that's fine I can't

[0:25:40] Voice 6: anymore thank you

[0:25:43] Voice 13: yeah I think we found something really important here to all of us um and I see in the chat that

[0:25:48] Voice 13: But Vice Chair Namkham has put some wording in, and he's used the word welcoming Indigenous knowledge to support conservation, which I think just, I love it.

[0:25:58] Voice 13: That's a beautiful phrasing there.

[0:25:59] Voice 13: Has the board had a chance to see that?

[0:26:01] Voice 13: No.

[0:26:04] Voice 2: Sorry, I put it in the chat.

[0:26:08] Voice 13: Draft idea.

[0:26:09] Voice 13: idea. Be informed by science-based conservation planning, welcoming Indigenous knowledge to

[0:26:15] Voice 13: support conservation, ecosystem mapping, identification of core conservation areas

[0:26:20] Voice 13: and protected area networks, and the protection of species and ecosystems at risk, including

[0:26:26] Voice 13: critical habitat.

[0:26:35] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott? I really like it. My thought is just that be informed by

[0:26:43] Voice 3: welcoming Indigenous knowledge doesn't quite work grammatically. Could we say be informed by

[0:26:49] Voice 3: science-based conservation planning, Indigenous knowledge, and supporting or to support

[0:26:54] Voice 3: conservation? I recognize the value of the welcoming, but it just, I don't think it works

[0:27:00] Voice 3: grammatically.

[0:27:01] Voice 13: Okay. How's everyone feeling about that?

[0:27:10] Voice 7: I agree. Thank you,

[0:27:11] Voice 7: Elliot, for identifying

[0:27:13] Voice 7: of find that i was just trying to work off of what it says up above and then trying to

[0:27:18] Voice 7: avoid um the concerns raised about having um the i don't want to get it wrong but the point raising

[0:27:27] Voice 7: of having an uh indigenous knowledge informing or because this is being directed to the trust

[0:27:36] Voice 7: council the conservative board i'm confusing i was just trying to avoid the concerns that

[0:27:40] Voice 7: were being raised but I do

[0:27:42] Voice 7: agree it's not grammatically correct so if we could adjust that

[0:27:44] Voice 7: um and the way I put that wording so it's more include being inclusive of Indigenous knowledge

[0:27:52] Voice 7: yes rather

[0:27:54] Voice 7: than rather than I guess saying that we're informing Indigenous knowledge I think that

[0:28:00] Voice 7: was the other concern that was raised but please if we could um just adjust that because I do

[0:28:06] Voice 7: I do think Trustee Smith is raising an important point and I think it it only enhances the work

[0:28:12] Voice 7: that we're doing in our five-year plan and the commitments that we're making and increasing the

[0:28:18] Voice 7: value of the work that we're trying to accomplish thank

[0:28:22] Voice 13: you I noticed that the what we're looking

[0:28:24] Voice 13: at on screen is it's a pdf which we can't edit is there a possibility that we could pull up b

[0:28:30] Voice 13: be as an editable. We'd like to make it an amendment, I think. I'm hearing that from

[0:28:36] Voice 13: everyone, I believe.

[0:28:42] Voice 11: I think it's a Word document.

[0:28:44] Voice 14: It is a Word document. It is

[0:28:46] Voice 14: editable. So Jill

[0:28:47] Voice 11: can

[0:28:47] Voice 14: go ahead and start editing as proposed.

[0:28:51] Voice 13: Thank you very much. Is there a chance we can

[0:28:54] Voice 13: make it a little bit bigger? Yeah. Thank you. All right, board. So where were we making our edits?

[0:29:03] Voice 13: I think we were, hang on, let me pull up my notes.

[0:29:08] Voice 13: I didn't write it down.

[0:29:17] Voice 13: Being inclusive of Indigenous knowledge, I think was the phrase, correct me if I'm wrong.

[0:29:22] Voice 13: Vice Chair Namco.

[0:29:24] Voice 7: Yes, thank you, Chair Gavro.

[0:29:27] Voice 7: Yeah, being inclusive sounds good.

[0:29:29] Voice 7: And then the other thing I'm just commenting, and not that we want to spend too much time on,

[0:29:33] Voice 7: but in my experience, like personal experience, but also working for nations,

[0:29:39] Voice 7: Sometimes they comment how it's disheartening when science comes before Indigenous knowledge, too.

[0:29:47] Voice 7: I'm not sure if we should just maybe be cognizant of that.

[0:29:52] Voice 7: And again, I understand that this statement is structured in a way that's kind of supporting work, but supporting these core principles.

[0:30:00] Voice 7: But I do know, I'm not speaking for all the First Nations, of course, but in my experience, there has been moments where it has been expressed that First Nations concepts or ideas or principles come after colonial-based principles.

[0:30:19] Voice 7: So I just wanted to preface that as well and maybe open that up to if anyone else has anything to add.

[0:30:28] Voice 13: Thank you. That's an excellent point.

[0:30:32] Voice 13: All right. So we're looking to amend B. There we go. Being informed by, be informed by being inclusive of Indigenous knowledge. How does that sound to everyone?

[0:30:54] Voice 3: I don't think that works.

[0:30:58] Voice 7: I think it just rolls off the tongue a bit odd.

[0:31:03] Voice 7: but it can

[0:31:15] Voice 3: we not just say be informed by indigenous knowledge comma science-based

[0:31:19] Voice 3: conservation planning like we are informed by indigenous knowledge and and it goes towards

[0:31:25] Voice 3: conservation that's the whole point yeah okay

[0:31:27] Voice 3: that sounds

[0:31:32] Voice 7: good would

[0:31:35] Voice 14: someone like to read out

[0:31:36] Voice 14: a suggested motion i think that would be really helpful to start from the beginning and work

[0:31:40] Voice 14: towards including that language and where you would like to include it that would be helpful

[0:31:46] Voice 14: thank you sure

[0:31:48] Voice 13: thing uh hang on i'm still reading it being informed by uh okay so that section

[0:31:57] Voice 13: 2.3.1 cooperation principles page 10 be revised as noted blue tax uh to collaborate closely with

[0:32:06] Voice 13: and be informed by indigenous knowledge with

[0:32:19] Voice 14: a capital on indigenous i

[0:32:28] Voice 3: think we need to put back

[0:32:29] Voice 3: in the Islands Trust Conservancy board. Yeah. After collaborate closely with, is that where it goes?

[0:32:41] Voice 13: Yes, sorry, that's, thank you. I'm like what happened? We cut this paragraph in half and um.

[0:32:47] Voice 13: And

[0:32:48] Voice 3: then entirely in the areas of Indigenous knowledge comma science-based conservation

[0:32:53] Voice 3: planning comma ecosystem mapping. Yeah.

[0:33:07] Voice 2: Word formatting is always something to battle with,

[0:33:11] Voice 2: it's very frustrating kudos

[0:33:13] Voice 13: to whoever's typing to collaborate closely with the island stress

[0:33:19] Voice 13: conservancy board and be informed by particularly particularly in areas of indigenous knowledge

[0:33:25] Voice 13: that doesn't work either areas of conservation areas of conservation

[0:33:40] Voice 8: trustee

[0:33:42] Trustee Smith (probable): smith go ahead

[0:33:42] Trustee Smith (probable): help us out of this i just want to suggest that we make it simpler and be informed by

[0:33:48] Trustee Smith (probable): by Indigenous knowledge, science-based conservation planning,

[0:33:53] Trustee Smith (probable): ecosystem mapping, blah, blah, blah.

[0:33:54] Trustee Smith (probable): So I just think that particularly in the areas of

[0:33:57] Voice 6: isn't necessary.

[0:34:00] Voice 6: It

[0:34:00] Trustee Smith (probable): doesn't work as a sentence.

[0:34:02] Trustee Smith (probable): So it's just be informed by, take out the of.

[0:34:08] Trustee Smith (probable): No.

[0:34:10] Trustee Smith (probable): With the Honest Trust Conservancy Board and be informed by, yeah,

[0:34:13] Trustee Smith (probable): and take out the comma.

[0:34:14] Trustee Smith (probable): And then.

[0:34:15] Voice 13: Conservation planning.

[0:34:17] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:34:17] Voice 13: I think you're the winner.

[0:34:19] Voice 13: um and then we have indigenous knowledge named to be in blue too if i correct because we're

[0:34:25] Voice 13: amending that language um

[0:34:38] Voice 10: just a thought yep uh and be informed by indigenous knowledge can we

[0:34:43] Voice 10: would it be possible to put local indigenous knowledge because we could have somebody who's

[0:34:48] Voice 10: i don't know cree coming in and telling us what we should be doing so i know

[0:34:55] Voice 13: i think that gets

[0:34:55] Voice 13: into a situation where that is a good point for sure but do you want to say yeah it's just hard

[0:35:07] Voice 13: with identity is such a loaded one right yeah to say who who are we to say who i mean i you know

[0:35:14] Voice 13: like the

[0:35:14] Voice 10: island trust conservancy like i can't we've had somebody speak on this when it comes

[0:35:19] Voice 10: to health care like with some of our concept patients and i can't remember the wording that

[0:35:23] Voice 10: be used. Yeah.

[0:35:27] Voice 10: Manager Tyrrell, I see your hand.

[0:35:32] Voice 14: I just was going to read out what is in the trust

[0:35:36] Voice 14: policy statement to ensure that the changes we make are actually edited in blue, and perhaps

[0:35:44] Voice 14: Trustee Timothy, best to have you speak first. Thank you.

[0:35:51] Voice 7: Thank you, Manager Tyrrell. I think

[0:35:55] Voice 7: I think putting local is extremely important. And I think the concern about, you know, the point you raised here, Gavro, is valid.

[0:36:12] Voice 7: valid um but i think by identifying local it it fits well within this context because the islands

[0:36:18] Voice 7: trust conservancy and the islands trust area is a very specific geographic region as it relates to

[0:36:25] Voice 7: um you know preservation of ecosystems you know marine habitat terrestrial habitat traditional

[0:36:32] Voice 7: knowledge like that is very focused knowledge whereas indigenous knowledge if it was you know

[0:36:38] Voice 7: all of turtle island or someone else as it relates to health or or other things i think we could

[0:36:43] Voice 7: welcome other indigenous knowledge but considering that this is focused on um like physical geography

[0:36:50] Voice 7: of this region i think it would be appropriate to say local indigenous knowledge and i don't think

[0:36:56] Voice 7: it would be um i don't think it would be coming from a position of of us saying um what is and

[0:37:04] Voice 7: what isn't i think it's more focused on including the local nations that represent or that are

[0:37:10] Voice 7: within or um have you know stewarded the the trust area if that makes sense i definitely

[0:37:17] Voice 13: makes sense thank you uh trustee georgeson okay

[0:37:20] Voice 10: thank you um and i think putting local in there

[0:37:24] Voice 10: also is an opportunity for the itc ltcs to work on building those relationships with the local

[0:37:34] Voice 10: first nations of their area throughout excellent trust so are

[0:37:41] Voice 13: the board members how are we feeling

[0:37:42] Voice 13: about adding local there yes awesome all right let's do it all right um perhaps we can say that

[0:37:58] Voice 13: section 2.3 be amended after the words uh rather than the the blue thing because we kind of changed

[0:38:11] Voice 13: the wording of the provision of 2.3.1

[0:38:15] Voice 13: already enough, perhaps we can just amend the front piece

[0:38:19] Voice 13: of it and say that 2.3 be amended

[0:38:22] Voice 13: to read as follows. Manager Sherrill?

[0:38:28] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:38:30] Voice 14: Yes, that was what I was going to speak with.

[0:38:33] Voice 14: The original 2.3.1 says to collaborate closely

[0:38:37] Voice 14: with, comma, and be informed by, comma,

[0:38:42] Voice 14: the islands trust conservancy board particularly in areas of science-based conservation planning

[0:38:48] Voice 14: blah blah blah so we have changed more than we have highlighted so we could say

[0:38:54] Voice 14: amended as noted yep not in blue text which i think is what you're recommending

[0:39:02] Voice 13: yeah that sounds a little bit uh more efficient way of

[0:39:06] Voice 13: explaining that um

[0:39:09] Voice 14: one thing that might

[0:39:11] Voice 14: might be missing is we have taken out to be informed by the Conservancy Board. So it reads

[0:39:20] Voice 14: to collaborate closely with the Islands Trust Conservancy Board and be informed by local

[0:39:24] Voice 14: Indigenous knowledge. It doesn't mention being informed by the Conservancy Board in general.

[0:39:32] Voice 14: Sorry. Which

[0:39:36] Trustee Smith (probable): is in the heading. It does. It says to collaborate closely with the Islands Trust

[0:39:41] Trustee Smith (probable): trust conservancy board and be informed by and

[0:39:48] Voice 14: be informed by local indigenous knowledge besides

[0:39:50] Voice 14: right okay

[0:39:52] Voice 13: if

[0:39:54] Voice 14: that works i

[0:39:55] Voice 13: think that actually covers that i think that's uh what does the rest

[0:40:00] Voice 13: of the board think they're looking we're looking for a consensus i think we have it any comments

[0:40:08] Voice 13: i then i'm going to suggest that we move on to another item there's many more item number c

[0:40:16] Voice 13: yes any comments trustee smith two

[0:40:30] Trustee Smith (probable): comments one that there's um later on in this briefing there's

[0:40:34] Trustee Smith (probable): other terms that are suggested need to be clarified and they're not in this list like

[0:40:41] Trustee Smith (probable): environment and also um and the word fragmentation which appears throughout the policy statement

[0:40:48] Trustee Smith (probable): and isn't defined and actually have a quite a bit of experience with the way that local trust

[0:40:54] Trustee Smith (probable): committees have trouble with that word so i think we should define it so no one was talking about

[0:41:02] Trustee Smith (probable): which word was that fragmentation it's not here but later on there is a list of terms that need

[0:41:09] Trustee Smith (probable): to be defined that were suggested as needing defining and this has a list but it's only a

[0:41:15] Trustee Smith (probable): partially. So that's my first thing. I think the other one is a more fulsome list. The word

[0:41:21] Trustee Smith (probable): environment, for example, is out of here. And also it says looking to definitions used in BC

[0:41:26] Trustee Smith (probable): statutes and regulations, which I agree with. However, I've done quite a bit of research on

[0:41:32] Trustee Smith (probable): that and made the astounding discovery that some terms that are used, like the word environment,

[0:41:39] Trustee Smith (probable): are very, very poorly defined in BC statutes.

[0:41:43] Trustee Smith (probable): I'm just quite surprised by that.

[0:41:45] Trustee Smith (probable): So I might just add BC or Canadian statutes and regulations

[0:41:52] Trustee Smith (probable): because sometimes there's a Canadian definition.

[0:41:55] Trustee Smith (probable): My preference, as is this, is always for BC ones, actually,

[0:42:00] Trustee Smith (probable): but sometimes there just doesn't seem to be a good definition,

[0:42:05] Trustee Smith (probable): which is problematic, but another discussion.

[0:42:08] Trustee Smith (probable): I would just suggest we expand that as we're looking for definitions and that

[0:42:13] Trustee Smith (probable): we include in this list the list that's already below that has a few other terms

[0:42:19] Trustee Smith (probable): like fragmentation yeah I can't an environment the word environment and I

[0:42:25] Trustee Smith (probable): know that's controversial so I don't even know how I personally feel about it

[0:42:29] Trustee Smith (probable): but we use it we should be sure what we're talking about yeah

[0:42:33] Voice 13: I I think the

[0:42:36] Voice 13: The intent of this, of C, is to expand looking for the definition.

[0:42:42] Voice 13: So if you did have a suggestion, what was that?

[0:42:46] Voice 13: You had another place.

[0:42:48] Trustee Smith (probable): What was the name of that?

[0:42:49] Trustee Smith (probable): I missed it.

[0:42:50] Trustee Smith (probable): It's right down in this document.

[0:42:51] Trustee Smith (probable): So let me go forward.

[0:42:53] Trustee Smith (probable): I just saw the list.

[0:42:55] Trustee Smith (probable): Oh, so if you look on page three, or I don't know, page three, it says,

[0:43:02] Trustee Smith (probable): in addition, some board members have expressed the following, have also suggested improvements

[0:43:11] Trustee Smith (probable): for other definitions, and this is a larger list than the list here. So we wouldn't want to have

[0:43:18] Trustee Smith (probable): more than one list. So what I'm suggesting is that this list, maybe we don't want all of them,

[0:43:26] Trustee Smith (probable): but some of them I think are pretty important, like habitat fragmentation, which is used

[0:43:31] Trustee Smith (probable): throughout development, which is used throughout, I think, is ecosystem in this

[0:43:38] Trustee Smith (probable): list? You

[0:43:40] Voice 13: can't see it there.

[0:43:42] Voice 13: Yeah, it's already defined two ways in the Trust Policy Statement already, ecosystem itself and then ecosystem integrity as well.

[0:43:53] Trustee Smith (probable): But climate change mitigation and adaptation are not in the list of

[0:43:57] Trustee Smith (probable): ecosystem services, for example, when we're looking at definitions. So it would

[0:44:02] Trustee Smith (probable): just be better. That's why the other list, which is on page two, it says improvements should be

[0:44:09] Trustee Smith (probable): made to the following definitions. Some of them have definitions, some don't, but the one on

[0:44:15] Trustee Smith (probable): ecosystems has a definition and it's just an incomplete definition because it doesn't mention

[0:44:21] Trustee Smith (probable): climate change mitigation and adaptation in the list of ecosystem services. So that's just one

[0:44:26] Trustee Smith (probable): example. So I don't know, I think these lists should be the same or if there's certain ones

[0:44:31] Trustee Smith (probable): and you don't want to include that's fine but you can't afford this okay

[0:44:35] Voice 13: yeah thank you uh manager

[0:44:37] Voice 13: tyrell thank

[0:44:43] Voice 14: you i was just going to recommend if you'd like um trustee smith for us to bring up the

[0:44:48] Voice 14: um the list from toby and from trustee elliott and smith's recommendations because that is where

[0:44:57] Voice 14: those terms you speak to those so thank you we can that'd be helpful

[0:45:02] Voice 14: yeah it's just let us know

[0:45:04] Voice 14: how you want to navigate through screens because I we can share the resolutions and amend or we

[0:45:08] Voice 14: can share the agenda package or um yeah whatever you'd like to look at we're ready to do so so I'm

[0:45:15] Voice 14: going to go ahead and share just make sure I'm sharing the right thing can

[0:45:29] Trustee Smith (probable): you just cut and paste

[0:45:30] Trustee Smith (probable): the other list underneath c and so we can just look at the matches and see if there needs to

[0:45:36] Trustee Smith (probable): the amendments would that be not easy um

[0:45:42] Voice 14: one moment can you let me know um that would be

[0:46:02] Voice 14: tricky because jill is editing the um resolutions and i have this document open so jill if you would

[0:46:11] Voice 14: be able to open the document um from trustee smith and elliot and copy and paste in the

[0:46:21] Voice 14: resolution document so that they're next to each other so they can look. Does that make sense?

[0:46:45] Voice 14: I can speak to environment, natural environment, fragmentation, habitat fragmentation,

[0:46:51] Voice 14: and sustainable communities were written in motion recommendation.

[0:46:59] Voice 13: Natural environment? I don't think

[0:47:00] Trustee Smith (probable): that actually is in

[0:47:01] Trustee Smith (probable): the policy statement. No, but there was a suggestion that it be included as a

[0:47:08] Trustee Smith (probable): a definition.

[0:47:09] Voice 13: Natural environment, but it's not listed in any of the provisions of the policy

[0:47:13] Voice 13: statement. I think it's actually because it's pretty self-evident, I would think. Meeting

[0:47:24] Voice 13: host, I see a hand.

[0:47:28] Voice 11: I got my answer. I just was wondering where I would find the document, but

[0:47:34] Voice 11: I think Wendy's answered me now, so I'll have a look.

[0:47:37] Voice 3: Okay, thanks. Trustee Elliott. Yeah, so thank

[0:47:41] Voice 3: you for pointing that out chair um natural environment isn't actually a term used in the

[0:47:48] Voice 3: policy statement because it is understood that environment is defined as you know all of those

[0:47:55] Voice 3: items listed um just for everyone else's benefit we had lots of conversation about

[0:48:01] Voice 3: this um development of the

[0:48:03] Voice 3: policy statement because um a certain group of the public that

[0:48:09] Voice 3: felt that an early definition, which I think was taken from the Canadian Environmental Assessment

[0:48:18] Voice 3: Act, which Trustee Smith brought up, including all organic and inorganic matter and living

[0:48:26] Voice 3: organisms, this word inorganic matter, this group interpreted as built environment, pavement,

[0:48:36] Voice 3: environment, houses, you know, structures that humans build rather than the natural environment.

[0:48:44] Voice 3: So they were lobbying to have the word environment clarified as natural environment. But that's a

[0:48:51] Voice 3: problem if natural environment doesn't appear in the policy document everywhere, because we're

[0:48:55] Voice 3: referring to environment. So I think what we need to do is clarify, if we're going to give a

[0:49:00] Voice 3: recommendation that environment be defined in a certain way pick a definition that is you know

[0:49:07] Voice 3: widely recognized either in BC or Canadian law and there's two suggestions there and so then we could

[0:49:13] Voice 3: eliminate the term natural environment because it's defined better but so I apologize for the

[0:49:21] Voice 3: confusion there but I just wanted to raise that that's where that

[0:49:24] Voice 3: came from is certain folks are

[0:49:27] Voice 3: are feeling that that definition implies

[0:49:30] Voice 3: that everything will be considered the environment.

[0:49:40] Voice 13: Thank you, thank you.

[0:49:41] Voice 13: That's lots to think about.

[0:49:44] Voice 13: All right, we were gonna have the motions,

[0:49:49] Voice 13: or sorry, the item one from Toby's letter on the screen

[0:49:55] Voice 13: next to C, if that's possible.

[0:50:00] Voice 13: Recommendation C, meeting host, hand up.

[0:50:02] Voice 13: yeah

[0:50:03] Voice 11: i'm having trouble finding the notes from toby is there a page number

[0:50:10] Voice 11: or it

[0:50:11] Voice 11: would be in this

[0:50:12] Trustee Smith (probable): document on page

[0:50:13] Trustee Smith (probable): two on page three it says number one improvement should

[0:50:17] Trustee Smith (probable): be made to the following definitions we could put those up and take out the ones we don't want to

[0:50:21] Trustee Smith (probable): include it's on this page like it's in the note it's just summarized a bit differently so on page

[0:50:31] Trustee Smith (probable): i don't know it says page two of requests for decisions but page three of the package i don't

[0:50:37] Trustee Smith (probable): know how that happens why that's the latest

[0:50:38] Voice 13: number because there's number i know

[0:50:42] Voice 13: i know

[0:50:44] Voice 13: i know for

[0:50:45] Trustee Smith (probable): each year we'll try to steer us through there that's number one improvement

[0:50:50] Trustee Smith (probable): should be made to the following definitions and then there's a list and then we could

[0:50:55] Trustee Smith (probable): decide which ones we want or don't want and

[0:50:59] Voice 11: you'd like missing

[0:51:00] Trustee Smith (probable): uh

[0:51:00] Voice 11: below c

[0:51:01] Trustee Smith (probable): or above c or

[0:51:03] Trustee Smith (probable): it doesn't matter it doesn't matter just so we can see the two together so we can see what

[0:51:07] Trustee Smith (probable): what's different which we want and which we don't want i

[0:51:58] Voice 14: don't believe that is the correct

[0:52:01] Trustee Smith (probable): you're not you're

[0:52:02] Voice 14: missing it yeah that's not the correct one um sorry

[0:52:11] Trustee Smith (probable): i wish i could help

[0:52:12] Trustee Smith (probable): i don't know how to

[0:52:13] Trustee Smith (probable): help though okay well i think why don't i just read them out and then

[0:52:17] Trustee Smith (probable): people can say yes or no

[0:52:19] Voice 13: um and now these would be the the following have not been addressed

[0:52:24] Voice 13: us in

[0:52:25] Trustee Smith (probable): the staff that

[0:52:25] Voice 13: one okay okay

[0:52:27] Trustee Smith (probable): yeah so if we could have the the recommendation up as before

[0:52:34] Trustee Smith (probable): and then i'll just like environment is in here so we've already decided not to use natural

[0:52:38] Trustee Smith (probable): environment habitat fragmentation actually the policy statement says forest fragmentation

[0:52:45] Trustee Smith (probable): we haven't defined that um and then i don't know well maybe i should just go one by one

[0:52:50] Trustee Smith (probable): maybe yeah we should have it on the screen i think we seem to be having trouble i know

[0:52:57] Voice 13: unfortunately so that we're all make sure we're looking at the same document yeah i apologize and

[0:53:01] Voice 13: i think i think um i thank jill for her hard work on this i understand how oh yeah i'm so glad

[0:53:08] Voice 14: i

[0:53:08] Voice 13: will

[0:53:11] Voice 14: do it so that you don't have to feel depression i

[0:53:14] Voice 13: see me and close in yeah

[0:53:16] Voice 11: hi sorry

[0:53:18] Voice 11: we're just gonna rearrange things a little bit on the back end sorry to keep you waiting sorry

[0:53:22] Voice 11: for the confusion no

[0:53:23] Voice 13: worries yeah we'll get there this is i think is probably one of the bigger ones

[0:53:29] Voice 13: as well one of the bigger um discussion pieces nice time to stretch i'm

[0:54:41] Voice 4: just heading up to the

[0:54:42] Voice 4: bathroom but i can hear you i can still hear you thank you okay

[0:55:54] Voice 14: i believe we have there's the um

[0:56:03] Voice 14: staff recommendation in C. Here are the recommendations from Trustee Smith and Elliott

[0:56:10] Voice 14: on regarding definitions.

[0:56:14] Voice 13: Excellent. Thank you so much for that.

[0:56:16] Voice 14: You're welcome. Yep.

[0:56:26] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott. So I have a question for Trustee Smith. Was habitat fragmentation

[0:56:33] Voice 3: in the draft policy statement? And you're asking for a definition of sustainable communities

[0:56:43] Voice 3: I guess my question would be whether the Conservancy is in opposition to weigh in on that.

[0:56:54] Voice 3: I totally agree about fragmentation, habitat fragmentation.

[0:56:58] Voice 3: I'm a little less clear.

[0:57:01] Voice 3: I think we could definitely suggest that a definition of the environment be included.

[0:57:07] Voice 3: and maybe we could leave it to staff to pick one of the statutory ones really used in BC

[0:57:16] Voice 3: statutes as an example so I don't know if trustee Smith is back yet but no I agree

[0:57:21] Voice 13: I agree

[0:57:24] Voice 13: I think those more like uh planning planning tools rather than uh ecological

[0:57:31] Voice 13: protection tools so well for trustee Smith to come back any other comments from the board

[0:57:42] Voice 13: I'm here. Hi. I've been here for a little while.

[0:57:46] Voice 13: Oh, happy to have you. Trustee Elliott had a question for you.

[0:57:50] Voice 13: Sure. Sorry. Yeah.

[0:57:52] Voice 3: Yeah. So I was just looking at the terms that you would ask that could be

[0:57:56] Voice 3: better defined. I agree about environment. Natural environment, I think, is it just because it

[0:58:02] Voice 3: doesn't appear in the policy statement. So it doesn't need it. I

[0:58:06] Voice 3: can't see the screen anymore.

[0:58:10] Voice 3: more oh

[0:58:10] Trustee Smith (probable): there it is

[0:58:11] Voice 3: there it is fragmentation and habitat fragmentation um do both of those

[0:58:17] Voice 3: appear in the policy statement why do we need both and then i wonder if sustainable communities

[0:58:22] Voice 3: although they do have an impact on um you know fragmentation of the natural environment

[0:58:30] Voice 3: services is that something that itc can give uh feedback on in your view so

[0:58:39] Trustee Smith (probable): what appears in the

[0:58:40] Trustee Smith (probable): the document is forest fragmentation but I think that's an error because ITC is concerned about

[0:58:46] Trustee Smith (probable): habitat fragmentation not just forest like we are we do have preserved wetlands and what they're

[0:58:54] Trustee Smith (probable): now calling the coastal oak system so I think in the doc in the document it shouldn't just say

[0:59:00] Trustee Smith (probable): forest fragmentation it should say habitat fragmentation and we should define that

[0:59:06] Voice 3: Fragmentation is

[0:59:07] Trustee Smith (probable): there, but always qualified by forest, but I don't think that's what we mean in the policy document as well.

[0:59:13] Trustee Smith (probable): Okay,

[0:59:13] Voice 3: I'm going to do a search to find out what policy that is.

[0:59:18] Trustee Smith (probable): Yeah, you can search. But it doesn't say habitat fragmentation, but I think it should say instead of forest fragmentation, wherever it says fragmentation, it should say habitat.

[0:59:30] Trustee Smith (probable): doesn't say that but anyways we should define it and with sustainable communities it really

[0:59:38] Trustee Smith (probable): does have to do with um you know preserving what we have now for the future for future generations

[0:59:46] Trustee Smith (probable): without you know using meeting our needs without the needs of others but without compromising the

[0:59:52] Trustee Smith (probable): needs of future generations and that is very important for what itc does because

[0:59:59] Trustee Smith (probable): because

[1:00:00] Trustee Smith (probable): That is why we're protecting so much, in my mind, anyways.

[1:00:08] Trustee Smith (probable): That's just my argument for those terms.

[1:00:15] Voice 13: Well, we're looking for fragmentation under growth management.

[1:00:18] Voice 13: I would, it may make sense, but I'm not sure that direction should come from the ITC.

[1:00:26] Voice 13: But, lost

[1:00:28] Trustee Smith (probable): our screen again.

[1:00:31] Trustee Smith (probable): Fragmentation is an ecological term.

[1:00:33] Trustee Smith (probable): wherever it appears it's really about not fragmenting the natural environment that's

[1:00:40] Trustee Smith (probable): what it's about and that's why we have it in here which is good but um you know

[1:00:46] Trustee Smith (probable): yeah manager just think we have to define it yeah

[1:00:49] Voice 14: i think um what trustee smith is saying uh i agree

[1:00:54] Voice 14: with um if i may uh but defining it specifically to forest doesn't really make a lot of sense it

[1:01:01] Voice 14: just makes more sense to have habitat fragmentation uh

[1:01:05] Voice 13: so then i'm going to just

[1:01:06] Voice 13: throw out a an example here in provision 3.4.2 growth management it would talk about minimizing

[1:01:17] Voice 13: fragmentation of forest lands and just specifically that is a very narrow

[1:01:22] Voice 13: specification of that. I would agree. Yeah. Trustee Elliott.

[1:01:27] Voice 3: I agree as well. I found

[1:01:31] Voice 3: two other policies. One is specifically related to agricultural lands, 3513 and 359 forest lands

[1:01:43] Voice 3: and road systems. I think those should stay because they're specifically about minimizing

[1:01:50] Voice 3: fragmentation of agricultural lands and these are agricultural land policies and in forest lands and

[1:01:55] Voice 3: road systems that is specifically talking about forest land so i agree with you three four two

[1:02:02] Voice 3: growth management we could change that to minimize fragmentation of habitat is that the right word

[1:02:14] Trustee Smith (probable): habitat fragmentation is what's usually said and then take forest lands out of there yeah

[1:02:21] Voice 13: yeah awesome um is that an

[1:02:23] Voice 13: amendment we want to make or is that an amendment that

[1:02:25] Voice 13: could be made at trust council

[1:02:30] Voice 3: no i think it's it is our input on the integrity of like the intent of the policy is to minimize

[1:02:38] Voice 3: you know impacts on surrounding lands and i do think the conservancy can weigh in on that

[1:02:46] Voice 13: okay in my view i

[1:02:48] Voice 13: think so yeah i think yeah because then i think now we found another

[1:02:52] Voice 13: amendment um i noted that here and i'll bring it up at the right time so we are going to look

[1:02:59] Voice 13: for a definition of habitat fragmentation or just fragmentation they're

[1:03:10] Trustee Smith (probable): not going to be very

[1:03:10] Trustee Smith (probable): different they're

[1:03:12] Voice 13: not going to be very different

[1:03:13] Trustee Smith (probable): okay i

[1:03:14] Voice 13: can help with

[1:03:14] Trustee Smith (probable): that if you want but

[1:03:15] Trustee Smith (probable): well fragmentation is super broad yeah

[1:03:19] Voice 3: yeah trustee elliot i i wonder if we have to provide

[1:03:26] Voice 3: the definitions or we're just giving our feedback that a definition should be provided

[1:03:30] Voice 3: for habitat we don't have to do that work yeah

[1:03:34] Trustee Smith (probable): exactly thank you definition

[1:03:39] Voice 13: habitat fragmentation

[1:03:47] Voice 13: excellent

[1:03:57] Voice 14: would we like to propose an amended emotion here amended motion not emotion

[1:04:02] Voice 14: motion i

[1:04:15] Voice 4: can do that if you want yes

[1:04:17] Voice 13: thank you um actually i

[1:04:19] Voice 13: just wanted to mention one more thing

[1:04:20] Voice 13: to unique amenities i don't know where you're going to find a definition for that trustee smith

[1:04:28] Trustee Smith (probable): and there's a very good a document 1986 that the islands trust did actually have somebody

[1:04:34] Trustee Smith (probable): commissioned to define that it's a very interesting document so in my

[1:04:40] Trustee Smith (probable): opinion we should

[1:04:41] Trustee Smith (probable): just stick to that definition because so much work went into it but from 1986 yeah there's a

[1:04:48] Trustee Smith (probable): i don't know if staff needs and i'm sure you have the documents yeah i can send you yeah

[1:04:54] Trustee Smith (probable): i can send

[1:04:55] Trustee Smith (probable): you the reference it's on the web it's on i'm responsible yeah

[1:05:00] Voice 13: i think the definition of the

[1:05:01] Voice 13: day is not going to be it's 1986 i mean it's decades ago another one would maybe be warranted

[1:05:09] Voice 13: I'd be in favor of that in the

[1:05:12] Voice 4: future in the future that's

[1:05:15] Voice 13: the future I know we get into

[1:05:18] Voice 13: identifying unique amenities I'm not sure it's difficult difficult yeah all right then yeah then

[1:05:30] Voice 13: let's proceed okay

[1:05:33] Trustee Smith (probable): uh you're gonna read it up yeah uh so it's it's number c right that the terms

[1:05:39] Trustee Smith (probable): and phrases be clarified related to the concept of biology, ecology, maybe related to the concepts

[1:05:51] Trustee Smith (probable): or yeah I guess concepts is good, climate change, unique amendments, habitat restoration, habitat

[1:06:02] Trustee Smith (probable): fragmentation, so add habitat fragmentation, environment and sustainable communities. Is that

[1:06:27] Trustee Smith (probable): everything i did i get it all i

[1:06:39] Voice 13: think it's generic enough and broad enough how's the board

[1:06:44] Voice 13: feeling justyliat i

[1:06:57] Voice 3: don't have any feedback i think these are really good

[1:07:03] Voice 3: i agree with you that unique amenities um i think it's sort of outside you know it's it's speaking

[1:07:14] Voice 3: came to the act itself and that according to the province in the sort of the latest conversation

[1:07:22] Voice 3: that we heard from them that interpretation was left purposefully open to be defined

[1:07:30] Voice 3: through the development of our official community plans and bylaws and the conservancy plan so

[1:07:37] Voice 3: So unique amenities, it just causes more friction, I think,

[1:07:44] Voice 3: when we try to define something that was intentionally left broad

[1:07:49] Voice 3: because people will then find themselves on one side or the other of it

[1:07:52] Voice 3: and get caught up with trying to define it.

[1:07:55] Voice 3: So I really wouldn't be supportive of including this,

[1:07:59] Voice 3: and I think it's a little beyond our role as a conservancy board

[1:08:04] Voice 3: to have input on that.

[1:08:07] Voice 3: because it really relates to the statute itself.

[1:08:23] Voice 2: Trustee Smith has her hand up.

[1:08:28] Trustee Smith (probable): Is the chairman frozen?

[1:08:32] Trustee Smith (probable): Oh, is the chair frozen?

[1:08:35] Trustee Smith (probable): I just, I actually sympathize with the incredible difficulty

[1:08:41] Trustee Smith (probable): of getting agreement on what unique amenities means.

[1:08:45] Trustee Smith (probable): I think Trustee Elliott's correct on that.

[1:08:48] Trustee Smith (probable): But since the words of the act of the sort of object

[1:08:55] Trustee Smith (probable): object of the trust is to preserve and protect the unique amenities and environment.

[1:09:01] Trustee Smith (probable): And I just think it makes the whole document very confusing if we don't say what that means.

[1:09:08] Trustee Smith (probable): But I also, myself, I'm sort of confused about this because a lot of work was put into that.

[1:09:17] Trustee Smith (probable): You know, there was a contract and it's a very good, interesting document for everyone to read,

[1:09:21] Trustee Smith (probable): actually trying to define it however um i don't see how we can implement this policy if we don't

[1:09:29] Trustee Smith (probable): know what we're talking about in the act which is the unique amenities that's like the whole

[1:09:35] Trustee Smith (probable): object of the trust and we are recognizing we have to define environment and it is unique

[1:09:42] Trustee Smith (probable): amenities and environment i think we have to try and define it although i recognize and that is the

[1:09:48] Trustee Smith (probable): the only place I've been able to find that is you know solid has a reason the trust of the day

[1:09:55] Trustee Smith (probable): adopted that but I get time has passed on I just I think we should suggest they try and define it

[1:10:05] Trustee Smith (probable): because I just otherwise we don't know what we're talking about in this whole document

[1:10:10] Trustee Smith (probable): you know I don't care I've just put my I recognize the difficulty I do thank

[1:10:22] Voice 2: you trustee Smith I

[1:10:24] Voice 2: i

[1:10:24] Voice 7: agree with you um what um wendy would you like to you have your hand raised

[1:10:32] Voice 14: thank you vice chair timothy i am what i can add to this discussion is what i do know is that

[1:10:42] Voice 14: unique amenities definition has been decided throughout i don't know 20 committee of the

[1:10:49] Voice 14: whole meetings and with the trust council and there has not been a definition that has been

[1:10:56] Voice 14: agreed upon by all and to come to one definition with 26 people sitting at the table is has been

[1:11:04] Voice 14: a challenge so i can i can tell you that that i know that much and that the discussion of a

[1:11:10] Voice 14: definition has been had over and over and over again thank you what

[1:11:18] Voice 13: i miss sorry the power

[1:11:19] Voice 13: Flickering over here. Did you lose power, Trustee Smith?

[1:11:23] Trustee Smith (probable): I didn't, but it's very windy. I'm likely to lose power.

[1:11:28] Trustee Smith (probable): Yeah, I imagine that's why Trustee

[1:11:30] Voice 13: Jordan has not with us at the moment. It took a bit for the

[1:11:36] Voice 13: power to come back on. Manager Sherrill?

[1:11:39] Voice 14: Thank you. One thing I wanted to note was the time.

[1:11:41] Voice 14: So we are at 1141. Absolutely.

[1:11:45] Voice 13: I'm sorry. So what did I miss here?

[1:11:47] Voice 13: where we went out

[1:11:51] Voice 7: maybe you could share quickly

[1:11:52] Voice 7: what you shared if that's okay

[1:11:54] Voice 7: kind

[1:11:55] Voice 14: of getting really close sorry was that directed to me uh

[1:12:02] Voice 7: i was just asking if trustee

[1:12:03] Voice 7: smith wanted to summarize what she raised i just don't so that chair gabbro could hear

[1:12:11] Trustee Smith (probable): okay um it was about unique amenities and i think we really have to move on i'm worried about the

[1:12:16] Trustee Smith (probable): time too it's 11 42 people have to leave and i think we should just take it out as something

[1:12:21] Trustee Smith (probable): that needs to be defined because it's controversial here but i can guarantee that it's come up in many

[1:12:27] Trustee Smith (probable): of the reviews and um it will continue to come up so

[1:12:32] Voice 6: somehow

[1:12:33] Trustee Smith (probable): we can deal with

[1:12:34] Trustee Smith (probable): it but not us

[1:12:36] Voice 13: great all right so how are we feeling about item c any other amendments to it then we should move on

[1:12:58] Voice 9: great

[1:13:07] Voice 13: we could go to the list on fantastic and then we can get page three item one on the screen

[1:13:30] Voice 13: has trustee jordan said we'll rejoin uh

[1:13:35] Voice 2: no not yet no

[1:13:38] Voice 13: i haven't using my hot spot for my

[1:13:41] Voice 13: wi-fi director

[1:13:42] Voice 12: freighter i'll just let you know i'm just texting her instructions on how she might

[1:13:47] Voice 12: be able to join by phone if she has enough battery thank you just yell it perfect

[1:13:55] Voice 3: so yeah

[1:13:56] Voice 3: Yeah, you're moving to the right spot there. So the item one, that new guiding principle on

[1:14:01] Voice 3: climate change adaptation, mitigation, I do support that that would be added. I do think

[1:14:10] Voice 3: it's important for all the agencies and bodies in the trust area to be considering how

[1:14:18] Voice 3: looking at whatever our projects are, whatever we're doing through a lens of climate change

[1:14:24] Voice 3: change adaptation mitigation. I think it's missing. So I do support adding it, wondering what other

[1:14:30] Voice 3: people would think.

[1:14:34] Voice 13: You know, my thoughts are, I was always sort of against it a little bit,

[1:14:38] Voice 13: because I feel the whole trust policy statement is almost a love letter to climate change. It was

[1:14:44] Voice 13: on our climate change action plan, updating the policy statement in itself as an act

[1:14:52] Voice 13: of uh effectively addressing climate change and that's found on our website however i think

[1:14:57] Voice 13: sometimes we tend to lose focus of things when we put it on the back burner but we need to keep

[1:15:02] Voice 13: climate change on the front burner i think so i'd be in favor of this trustee smith okay i'm in

[1:15:08] Trustee Smith (probable): favor of it thank you vice

[1:15:15] Voice 13: chair nam come i'm

[1:15:19] Voice 2: in favor thank

[1:15:22] Voice 13: you all right moving on to item number

[1:15:24] Voice 13: two uh that the wording of goal three goal three title should include that the health of natural

[1:15:30] Voice 13: ecosystems is a high priority my notes here trustee elliot yeah

[1:15:46] Voice 3: um so i my understanding is that the

[1:15:49] Voice 3: goal and the description is meant to include you know what are we aiming for right that's what a

[1:15:56] Voice 3: goal is and then the policy is what are the actions that are being undertaken so um if that's missing

[1:16:02] Voice 3: that the health of the natural ecosystems is a high priority you know to add to change the wording

[1:16:08] Voice 3: and the goal it's not suggesting a change to the policy so I don't know if folks think um that's

[1:16:14] Voice 3: controversial I think it's pretty you know fairly easy to support um so I support that and as well

[1:16:23] Voice 3: the following one about 30 percent of the land and water uh agreed um

[1:16:31] Voice 13: consensus thumbs up board

[1:16:33] Voice 13: Thank you. We'll move on to item number three. New directive policy should be added in ecosystem integrity about protecting a minimum of 30% of landowner in the trust area. How are we feeling about that one? This is tied to the 30 by 30 system.

[1:17:09] Voice 14: We may need to go to Vice Chair Timothy too. We're losing you, Chair Gavreau. You're coming in and out.

[1:17:17] Voice 14: maybe

[1:17:23] Voice 7: uh chair gavros you could turn your camera off that might help uh trustee smith you have your

[1:17:33] Voice 7: hand raised yes

[1:17:35] Trustee Smith (probable): um the reason this is

[1:17:36] Trustee Smith (probable): 30 sorry this is 30 by 30 it is a policy of the provincial

[1:17:43] Trustee Smith (probable): government and it could go under really

[1:17:47] Voice 6: under

[1:17:48] Trustee Smith (probable): the protected areas network or you know it could go

[1:17:51] Trustee Smith (probable): under 3.3.1 we could just add it there or just have a different policy but the point is that

[1:17:57] Trustee Smith (probable): that it should be included in the directive policies.

[1:18:00] Trustee Smith (probable): And I think that trustee Elliott just agreed with that.

[1:18:03] Trustee Smith (probable): Director Frater.

[1:18:15] Voice 12: I'll just note, I think it might be challenging

[1:18:16] Voice 12: as a directive policy as local trust committees

[1:18:19] Voice 12: don't have the ability to protect land directly.

[1:18:22] Voice 12: So maybe with something like this,

[1:18:24] Voice 12: you want to say something more general to trust council

[1:18:27] Voice 12: along the lines that the concept of protecting 30%

[1:18:30] Voice 12: be addressed in the policy statement

[1:18:32] Voice 12: and maybe don't be so prescriptive,

[1:18:33] Voice 12: But how it be achieved, that might be just a more constructive approach rather than being very prescriptive about how to achieve it, because you're not getting the planning advice around the doability of any one directive policy.

[1:18:47] Voice 12: That said, if you want that advice today, I can have Director of Legislative Services and Information Services, David Marler, join the meeting if you want to ask technical questions.

[1:19:01] Voice 7: Trustee Smith?

[1:19:02] Trustee Smith (probable): And we just have it, like, in general, we want this to appear somewhere. And it could be in any spot, just to recognize that 30 by 30 is the goal. And maybe it's not, maybe a directive policy is not the right place, but it should be somewhere. I think that's what you just said. Is that not correct? Yeah. I agree with you.

[1:19:34] Voice 7: Hey, Chair Galbraith, are you here?

[1:19:39] Voice 13: I was just trying to raise my hand. Can you hear me?

[1:19:41] Voice 7: Yeah, we can hear you.

[1:19:42] Voice 7: Yay!

[1:19:45] Voice 13: I have a very low bandwidth here.

[1:19:50] Voice 13: Yeah, I think you should take over the meeting.

[1:19:56] Voice 13: Can you hear me?

[1:19:57] Voice 7: Yeah, we can hear you.

[1:19:58] Voice 7: We can hear you fine.

[1:20:00] Voice 13: Oh, good.

[1:20:01] Voice 13: Really?

[1:20:02] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:20:03] Voice 7: Yeah, we can hear you well.

[1:20:06] Voice 13: All right.

[1:20:06] Voice 13: So my thoughts are kind of along with what Dr. Frayer said as well.

[1:20:12] Voice 13: It's really a matter of we can really get into some prescriptive detail in our OCPs and our land use bylaws with this.

[1:20:18] Voice 13: but maybe it's more if this is an advocacy policy in the trust policy statement maybe this isn't a

[1:20:24] Voice 13: directive policy isn't the right spot for it that would be my thoughts trustee

[1:20:41] Voice 7: smith you have your

[1:20:42] Voice 7: hand up yeah

[1:20:43] Trustee Smith (probable): i'm just going to suggest some wordy instead of it saying that a new directive policy

[1:20:46] Trustee Smith (probable): should be added blah blah blah we take that out and we just say the importance of protecting 30

[1:20:52] Trustee Smith (probable): of land and water should appear in the document that's it and whoever is doing a revision

[1:21:01] Trustee Smith (probable): it's a more general I agree yeah I

[1:21:05] Voice 2: agree with as well thank you I

[1:21:08] Voice 14: can you go ahead and repeat

[1:21:10] Voice 14: that the importance of importance

[1:21:13] Trustee Smith (probable): of protecting a minimum of 30% of the land and water in the

[1:21:22] Trustee Smith (probable): trust area should appear somewhere in the policy should appear in an appropriate spot in the policy

[1:21:29] Trustee Smith (probable): see state or place i think it's very yeah please how

[1:21:58] Voice 14: does that read great that's

[1:22:06] Voice 2: good thank you

[1:22:09] Voice 6: shall

[1:22:23] Voice 14: we carry on to number four yes

[1:22:31] Voice 2: i think so i

[1:22:46] Voice 14: believe we may not have chair guvro

[1:22:49] Voice 14: oh my goodness um uh

[1:23:00] Voice 7: trustee smith please yeah

[1:23:02] Trustee Smith (probable): so um i think the point of this

[1:23:05] Trustee Smith (probable): point four is that one thing that you can't deny is that we're islands and each island has

[1:23:12] Trustee Smith (probable): some unique actually biological physical geographic anthropological

[1:23:19] Trustee Smith (probable): differences and so the point of this is to somewhere capture that um you have to consider

[1:23:26] Trustee Smith (probable): the ecological integrity of each island and its ability and the ability of the natural ecosystems

[1:23:32] Trustee Smith (probable): systems to support. I don't think it has to say particular developments, but particular

[1:23:36] Trustee Smith (probable): proposals would probably be better.

[1:23:49] Voice 3: Trustee

[1:23:50] Voice 7: Elliott?

[1:23:53] Voice 3: Yeah, so perhaps Director Freider could weigh in a little bit on this, on the feasibility

[1:24:01] Voice 3: and the practicality. Some of the things that we have been discussing as a specific trust

[1:24:10] Voice 3: is the resiliency of islands which would be a massive undertaking and that was

[1:24:19] Voice 3: unfunded for this next project cycle so to consider the um ecological and tech like

[1:24:29] Voice 3: undertake an ecological integrity assessment apparently the concert we are not even doing

[1:24:34] Voice 3: that on our own lands um i agree it's a worthy goal but to require that a an assessment be done

[1:24:43] Voice 3: of the entire island in order for any planning to take place i think really hamstrings um

[1:24:53] Voice 3: everything and and we'd have to i think stop all work and just do that you know um meanwhile

[1:25:00] Voice 3: while development application you know permits are coming forward and planning is continuing you

[1:25:05] Voice 3: can't sort of deny um the normal processes that are required so it's kind of a balance is how do

[1:25:16] Voice 3: we how do we practically support assessing the ecological integrity of each island i would i

[1:25:26] Voice 3: would ask that and if it's a directive policy that means each ltc has to do it which means

[1:25:31] Voice 3: you're looking at quite massive budgets across the trust area so I'm just wondering if that's

[1:25:39] Voice 3: achievable.

[1:25:43] Voice 12: Yes I'm about to find a page number to ask to go to in the agenda and we can show you

[1:25:50] Voice 12: what is already in the policy statement with regard to this statement. So on page 28 of your

[1:25:56] Voice 12: agenda at the top you'll see the introduction to goal three speaks about council's acknowledgement

[1:26:02] Voice 12: that preserving and protecting the ecological integrity of the island stressed area is essential

[1:26:07] Voice 12: to the object and supporting community well-being and then further on in the section on ecological

[1:26:13] Voice 12: integrity the reference is that they will want to sustain a network of protected areas sufficient

[1:26:19] Voice 12: to preserve environmental integrity and then it's addressed further again with a in the forest

[1:26:24] Voice 12: ecosystem policy around focusing on maintenance and restoration of ecological integrity of forests

[1:26:29] Voice 12: So the theme is already in the document. So I think if you were wanting to have more rigor around the assessment, then maybe it could be, again, proposed in a more generic way rather than as a directive around, you know, the Conservancy encourages Trust Council to consider, you know, how it would assess ecological integrity health or something, you know, something more general.

[1:26:56] Voice 12: um so i'll leave it there but yes the concept has been raised certainly by trust council and

[1:27:01] Voice 12: is woven into this draft document thank

[1:27:07] Voice 7: you director freighter for highlighting where

[1:27:08] Voice 7: it's referenced in there i'm gonna just uh i know trustee smith has her hand up but i'm

[1:27:13] Voice 7: pass it to oh i'm sorry

[1:27:14] Voice 7: oh

[1:27:16] Voice 13: thank you welcome back thank

[1:27:18] Voice 13: you thank you i found another wi-fi

[1:27:22] Voice 13: source um on this one too yeah this one troubles me a little bit i think it's something that we

[1:27:26] Voice 13: we could ask for but i don't know it's something that ltc's as an as a trustee i don't it's not

[1:27:32] Voice 13: something we can deliver within the budget constraints that we have right now galliano

[1:27:36] Voice 13: just asked for ocp review and there's no funding for that so i don't know how we would be able to

[1:27:40] Voice 13: do this i do think it is covered in other policies as claire said um yeah throughout the whole rest

[1:27:49] Voice 13: of that section so i think i don't not sure that we need this one at this time thank you trustee

[1:27:54] Voice 13: Oh, sorry, I could probably take over the meeting again, if that's okay with my shirt.

[1:27:59] Voice 13: And I thank you so much for helping there.

[1:28:02] Trustee Smith (probable): Trustee Smith.

[1:28:03] Trustee Smith (probable): I think we're making this into a bigger deal than it is.

[1:28:06] Trustee Smith (probable): I think the point is that when you're doing land use planning, and you should be looking

[1:28:13] Trustee Smith (probable): about at the capability, like what you would do on one island might not be the same as

[1:28:19] Trustee Smith (probable): what you would do on another island.

[1:28:21] Trustee Smith (probable): and that is because they it's a development that wants to use a lot of water just some example

[1:28:27] Trustee Smith (probable): right um on one island

[1:28:30] Trustee Smith (probable): it would work because you know if you look at that proposal and its impact

[1:28:36] Trustee Smith (probable): on the integrity of the island you would recognize well that place doesn't have enough

[1:28:46] Trustee Smith (probable): enough water for this development, because it would compromise the water resources. So I don't

[1:28:52] Trustee Smith (probable): think it means you have to do an assessment of ecological integrity everywhere. I think that

[1:28:57] Trustee Smith (probable): would never happen. And it's very difficult to do anyways. But I think it I'm comfortable with it

[1:29:05] Trustee Smith (probable): being in a more generic way. But I think we we haven't really captured and thank you, Director

[1:29:14] Trustee Smith (probable): Frater for pointing out where the concept is kind of there. I don't think we've captured that

[1:29:19] Trustee Smith (probable): we have to think about ecological integrity is about the services, the ecological services

[1:29:26] Trustee Smith (probable): that, you know, a particular area provides, and that's going to be different on each island and

[1:29:31] Trustee Smith (probable): different areas. And so it's, and the text is consider, it doesn't say you have to do this.

[1:29:37] Trustee Smith (probable): So I think we need to ask the Trust Council to consider this for all developments, because what you might do, what really affects us, is you might decide, well, this would work if we had a certain amount of key area in this development protected.

[1:30:00] Trustee Smith (probable): the development was in a certain area so you're really looking at the concept of ecological

[1:30:04] Trustee Smith (probable): integrity every time that you think about a proposal and that's why it's a directive but

[1:30:10] Trustee Smith (probable): the wording could be better or it could be more generic it's just that um listening to the talk

[1:30:17] Trustee Smith (probable): on um that i went to on the policy statement how it's implemented if it's not in the directives

[1:30:25] Trustee Smith (probable): it won't happen and so that's why I thought it should somehow be captured in the directive but

[1:30:30] Trustee Smith (probable): it could be in a more generic way.

[1:30:33] Voice 12: Director Frater. Just hearing the debate and also noting the time

[1:30:38] Voice 12: I think I probably I don't have concern with the board forwarding this and then we on the policy

[1:30:42] Voice 12: side Fortress Council could address how you know we can analyze how it might be recommended but if

[1:30:48] Voice 12: this was to proceed we can we can work with that.

[1:30:50] Voice 13: All right let's take a straw poll how are we

[1:30:53] Voice 13: feeling about this provision as is moving forward concur one two sorry uh trustee georgeson how are

[1:31:06] Voice 13: you feeling about it i'm feeling

[1:31:11] Voice 10: good about it

[1:31:12] Voice 13: trustee elliott any major concerns there

[1:31:17] Voice 13: no good great all right we're on to number five then yep so we got this one is uh

[1:31:27] Voice 13: a new directive policy be added under goal four a recreation that probates fixed links or bridges

[1:31:36] Voice 13: between islands and vancouver island and gulf islands trustee elliot so

[1:31:42] Voice 3: a tricky one because

[1:31:43] Voice 3: local trust committees do not regulate transportation so if the province was to

[1:31:48] Voice 3: decide to build a bridge or make a fixed link between our islands we could advocate we could

[1:31:55] Voice 3: protest we could give our comments but we ultimately don't have authority and so directive

[1:32:00] Voice 3: policies really need to be within the realm of authority of the ltc so we did have this discussion

[1:32:07] Voice 3: at gabriela this was brought forward it's basically there's a lot of advocacy positions

[1:32:15] Voice 3: that the islands trust holds that were captured in commitments of trust council or it was trust

[1:32:22] Voice 3: council's policy that but ultimately enforcing that is is impossible and so the thought is that

[1:32:32] Voice 3: could this be um i'm just looking at what we turned it into basically another guiding principle

[1:32:39] Voice 3: that there be no island should be connected to vancouver island so we could just call it a no

[1:32:46] Voice 3: bridge or no fixed link policy of trust council be added or considered we just can't make that

[1:32:54] Voice 3: a directive policy because it's not in the authority of a local trust committee excellent

[1:33:02] Voice 13: my thoughts exactly any other comments from the board I

[1:33:09] Trustee Smith (probable): just want to understand is that

[1:33:11] Trustee Smith (probable): would that then be an advisory under the advisory policies I think the guiding or advisory I think

[1:33:18] Trustee Smith (probable): we don't have yeah

[1:33:21] Voice 6: we don't

[1:33:23] Voice 3: have yeah it could be an advisory policy or we could say that

[1:33:28] Voice 3: there be a commitment of trust council you know you we actually said from the gabriella local

[1:33:35] Voice 3: trust committee that can we ask council to consider adding a new section which is going to

[1:33:41] Voice 3: be challenging such as commitments of trust council that list long-standing trust council

[1:33:47] Voice 3: advocacy positions such as no fixed links so that is kind of missing it doesn't really fit

[1:33:54] Voice 3: in guiding principles and so since we've removed that commitments to trust council

[1:34:01] Voice 3: do we want to suggest as a conservancy that there be a place for commitments or general

[1:34:08] Voice 3: policies of trust council that you know cannot be directive but it's a it's a long-standing

[1:34:15] Voice 3: advocacy position. So the language could be, this is what we used, I'll just put it in the chat

[1:34:23] Voice 3: and read it out for the public. So our recommendation was at the Gabriela Local

[1:34:31] Voice 3: Trust Committee to consider adding a new section such as commitments of trust council that list

[1:34:36] Voice 3: long-standing trust council advocacy positions such as no fixed links between Vancouver Island

[1:34:41] Voice 3: and the islands in the trust area, the elimination of clear-cut logging of old growth forests,

[1:34:45] Voice 3: opposition to anchorages in the Salish Sea

[1:34:48] Voice 3: and stronger tools for protection of

[1:34:50] Voice 3: biodiversity

[1:34:52] Voice 3: and that would

[1:34:54] Voice 3: entail a whole conversation about

[1:34:56] Voice 3: where to put that

[1:34:58] Voice 3: so

[1:34:59] Voice 3: Alright,

[1:35:04] Voice 13: which we don't have time for today

[1:35:06] Voice 13: I would think

[1:35:07] Voice 13: I would be in favour of not

[1:35:12] Voice 13: forwarding this

[1:35:13] Voice 13: recommendation

[1:35:15] Voice 13: that's my opinion

[1:35:17] Voice 13: open up to the board

[1:35:20] Voice 13: keeping an eye on the time and the other important matters on the on the list trustee

[1:35:29] Trustee Smith (probable): smith and just

[1:35:31] Trustee Smith (probable): to add that it is in the in the current policy statement so i like the solution of gabriela

[1:35:37] Trustee Smith (probable): island we could recommend that advocacy positions be included just something general and that these

[1:35:44] Trustee Smith (probable): i like their list as well if i understand correctly

[1:35:47] Voice 13: gabriel is already recommending that

[1:35:54] Voice 3: yes chair we gave our referral response and this was one of our recommendations

[1:36:01] Voice 3: uh so we recommended trust council approve it or should proceed subject to this so

[1:36:07] Voice 3: it's just asking council to consider adding back in a section about these positions okay heard

[1:36:17] Voice 13: uh all right so then what shall we do here maybe we can support uh gabriel's recommendation

[1:36:24] Voice 13: on that policy rather than trying to craft that policy ourselves, not duplicate it. Does that

[1:36:29] Voice 13: seem reasonable? Any comments from the board? Crickets, what do you want to do with this one

[1:36:46] Voice 13: here? Oh I'm sorry, I see the typing. Did

[1:37:01] Trustee Smith (probable): you say no fixed anchorages as well?

[1:37:03] Trustee Smith (probable): It was

[1:37:06] Voice 3: the elimination of clear-cut logging of old growth forests, opposition to anchorages in

[1:37:13] Voice 3: in the Salish Sea, and stronger tools

[1:37:17] Voice 3: for protection of biodiversity.

[1:37:20] Voice 3: And these are sort of general positions,

[1:37:23] Voice 3: but they're, you know.

[1:37:25] Voice 3: Supportable.

[1:37:26] Voice 3: And I think they're well within the realm

[1:37:29] Voice 3: of the Conservancy's interest too, so, yeah.

[1:37:34] Voice 13: Thank you, Vice Chair Nycombe.

[1:37:38] Voice 7: Thank you, Trustee Elliott for sharing this.

[1:37:40] Voice 7: I'm in support of it as well, as other points are raised.

[1:37:44] Voice 7: it's um just in the topic of anchorage does that mean like recreational boats to like bunkers and

[1:37:52] Voice 7: larger vessel traffic it's just like any kind of anchorage oh

[1:37:57] Voice 3: yes i see that is unclear um it

[1:38:00] Voice 3: should be freighter anchorages um i think that's the advocacy position okay

[1:38:08] Voice 2: jesse

[1:38:13] Voice 10: jordison um so

[1:38:15] Voice 10: So for clarification on the opposition to freighter anchorages, because that's just

[1:38:23] Voice 10: like one type of large vessel, I'm wondering if we should do it by weight, boats over a

[1:38:31] Voice 10: certain weight.

[1:38:32] Voice 13: Oh, hmm.

[1:38:34] Voice 10: Because you...

[1:38:37] Voice 10: We're not up, yeah.

[1:38:38] Voice 10: I'm an oil tanker, so I don't fall under, like, the freighter classification.

[1:38:45] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:38:47] Voice 13: What does the board feel?

[1:38:48] Voice 13: trustee Elliot has that come up in your

[1:38:50] Voice 13: conversations on Gabriela

[1:38:51] Voice 13: I apologize

[1:38:56] Voice 3: I hadn't thought through that

[1:39:03] Voice 13: I think it's general enough

[1:39:05] Voice 13: I think if we get too prescriptive here we're not going to

[1:39:07] Voice 13: get done today

[1:39:08] Voice 13: does that sound reasonable

[1:39:12] Trustee Smith (probable): I put the large vessel

[1:39:14] Trustee Smith (probable): back in I think that

[1:39:15] Trustee Smith (probable): large vessel yeah I thought

[1:39:18] Trustee Smith (probable): that was a good I know it's not

[1:39:20] Trustee Smith (probable): defined but not bad

[1:39:22] Trustee Smith (probable): misty jorgensen i

[1:39:23] Voice 10: think large vessel will work um yeah hopefully it's maybe i'm just overthinking it

[1:39:33] Voice 10: um because i you know boats are kind of part of my world exactly we can

[1:39:40] Voice 13: look out the window and

[1:39:40] Voice 13: probably use from your view you can probably see it yeah yes agreed he can read the number out

[1:39:46] Voice 13: it oh yeah so i think we're in agreement on this uh i i think so i think

[1:39:54] Voice 7: that provides a little bit

[1:39:56] Voice 7: more context so thank

[1:39:58] Voice 13: you very much thank you very much so we move on to item six a new directive

[1:40:02] Voice 13: policy be added under goal five requiring rainwater oh sorry i'm getting wrong am i

[1:40:12] Voice 13: ready to find one sorry that's right sheet here yeah new directive policy be added under goal

[1:40:20] Voice 13: 5 directive policies respecting freshwater regarding rainwater catchment for groundwater

[1:40:26] Voice 13: supplies or poor quality or quantity open up to the floor any thoughts this is itc lane

[1:40:34] Voice 13: trustee

[1:40:41] Trustee Smith (probable): smith you know you might want to just instead of saying um we're over here um instead

[1:40:49] Trustee Smith (probable): of where groundwater supplies are poor quality appointments the groundwater supplies are unable

[1:40:54] Trustee Smith (probable): able to provide ecosystem fresh water that's really what the ITC is concerned about we have

[1:41:01] Trustee Smith (probable): enough water for the ecosystems other people will be concerned about enough water for people but

[1:41:07] Trustee Smith (probable): the issue from our point of view is fresh water for ecosystem yeah

[1:41:15] Voice 13: I think well a lot of the

[1:41:16] Voice 13: regulation around that doesn't sit with I was trying to assist with the province in many ways

[1:41:22] Voice 13: and with island health as well i just worry that we're straying into an area of concern i don't

[1:41:27] Voice 13: think that direct-to-policy is something that we can direct to the ltcs to be doing because that's

[1:41:31] Voice 13: also something that they're doing already with their own ocp amendments and rezonings and

[1:41:43] Voice 13: but i say that from a person who hasn't wears an ltc hat and there is actually a mandate from the

[1:41:55] Voice 13: crd for building all constructions uh new construction needs to have rainwater storage

[1:42:00] Voice 13: as well uh trustee elliott

[1:42:02] Voice 3: yeah this is

[1:42:04] Voice 3: a tricky one for us to weigh in on it's very planning

[1:42:07] Voice 3: specific um i think we could speak generally that planning should consider the overall

[1:42:20] Voice 3: cumulative effect or the impact on groundwater supplies um but it is really tough

[1:42:28] Voice 3: um conservative way in on a directive policy um requiring rainwater catchment it's yeah i'm

[1:42:37] Voice 3: struggling with this one it's

[1:42:39] Voice 13: like we're doing the work of others because that's a requirement

[1:42:42] Voice 13: from development so i don't know that i would i'm not sure we can enforce this one or that the itc

[1:42:50] Voice 13: should be commenting on it um i looked at other board members for their jesse

[1:42:57] Voice 10: georginson right i

[1:42:59] Voice 10: I thought, like when I was a part of the Freshwater Sustainability Roundtable, I think it was a couple years ago in 2021, and from working in construction for a new build, I was under the impression that rainwater catchment was under CRD.

[1:43:18] Voice 10: And so not really

[1:43:19] Voice 10: our wheelhouse.

[1:43:24] Voice 10: But I could be wrong.

[1:43:25] Voice 10: I am new to this with the Islands Trust perspective.

[1:43:29] Voice 10: Thank you. To my knowledge, that is correct.

[1:43:33] Voice 13: Trustee Elliott.

[1:43:34] Voice 3: I think what this policy is talking about, though, is increasing the density, which we have authority over, like zoning.

[1:43:43] Voice 3: So LTC is direct where zoning is placed on the land.

[1:43:49] Voice 3: And this is saying that it shouldn't increase density or intensity of land.

[1:43:53] Voice 3: you shouldn't be increased in watersheds um or sorry that's that's what their current draft

[1:43:59] Voice 3: policy is so requiring rainwater catchment can be done by an ltc um you can't actually require

[1:44:08] Voice 3: how someone uses the rainwater collection but we can actually mandate that all new construction

[1:44:14] Voice 3: has rainwater harvesting catchment but again that's that's an ltc business and it's i think

[1:44:20] Voice 3: outside of what outside of

[1:44:23] Voice 3: yeah yeah

[1:44:25] Voice 13: all right so let's we're going to straw poll look at the time

[1:44:27] Voice 13: here um who wants to see this provision move forward show of hands seeing none we'll move

[1:44:38] Voice 13: on to the next one my

[1:44:44] Voice 14: apologies we are not taking this i missed that we'll mix this one

[1:44:51] Voice 13: i'm so sorry

[1:44:52] Voice 13: we're on to the next item thank

[1:44:53] Voice 14: you yep

[1:44:55] Voice 13: item seven policy 3.5.6 advisory policy on fresh

[1:45:01] Voice 13: water should be made a directive policy uh open up to the board like my comments is be similar to

[1:45:11] Voice 13: with item six uh advisory policy is strong enough uh trustee smith and

[1:45:17] Trustee Smith (probable): this is kind of similar but

[1:45:19] Trustee Smith (probable): we have an advisory policy it's basically to maintain the water for organisms fish

[1:45:26] Trustee Smith (probable): and

[1:45:27] Voice 4: that's

[1:45:30] Trustee Smith (probable): on as an advisory policy and um i think this is suggesting it's a directive policy so

[1:45:37] Trustee Smith (probable): the question is um yeah i think that's all it's here already as an advisory policy

[1:45:46] Trustee Smith (probable): but i think yeah are you would you be happy for the stay there or did you really wish for it to

[1:45:51] Trustee Smith (probable): move up more well

[1:45:52] Trustee Smith (probable): i think from the viewpoint of itc and wanting to maintain ecological integrity

[1:45:57] Trustee Smith (probable): it's pretty important and i don't think it's that difficult to implement well as long as you're

[1:46:05] Trustee Smith (probable): required to consider it when it's in advisory policies you're not required to consider it so

[1:46:13] Trustee Smith (probable): So that's why I personally think

[1:46:15] Trustee Smith (probable): it should be a directive policy.

[1:46:16] Trustee Smith (probable): And I think it can be considered, yeah.

[1:46:19] Voice 13: All the hands up.

[1:46:20] Voice 13: I'm going to go to Trustee Elliott first

[1:46:21] Voice 3: and then Vice Chair Netcom and then Director Frater.

[1:46:25] Voice 3: Really quickly, the advice from Policy Director Jason Yeomans.

[1:46:29] Voice 3: I put it in the chat that 3.5.6 was made an advisory policy

[1:46:34] Voice 3: because while Islands Trust can control the land use

[1:46:38] Voice 3: in the vicinity of surface water,

[1:46:40] Voice 3: it's actually the province that regulates its quality and controls withdrawals from it

[1:46:47] Voice 3: so this again is one of those it's a joint kind of jurisdiction and we don't have full authority

[1:46:54] Voice 3: over the withdrawal of water is the challenge thank

[1:47:00] Voice 13: you uh thank

[1:47:05] Voice 7: you trustee elliot for um

[1:47:07] Voice 7: So adding that context, I think, excuse me, I was just thinking through, like, where the Water Sustainability Act fits into this.

[1:47:16] Voice 7: But I think it's fine with just how the statement is.

[1:47:20] Voice 7: But my only like comment, which to, you know, how the province regulates quality and controls, and maybe this is more of like a personal opinion, but or frustration, is that how the province actually regulates quality and like withdraws from the permits that they issue for use of water.

[1:47:44] Voice 7: like they don't there's no mechanism to actually like have a meter put in place so there's there's

[1:47:51] Voice 7: land use users that have extracted you know 10 000 cubic meters of water like every year or every

[1:47:58] Voice 7: month and like they go through a review process and referral process to like get the permit in

[1:48:05] Voice 7: order to do that for whatever use they need but like really at the end of the day there's no like

[1:48:09] Voice 7: real like the province doesn't enforce or ensure that there's meters placed to actually watch

[1:48:16] Voice 7: how much is being withdrawn or if there's more than what they're permitted to withdraw

[1:48:20] Voice 7: again um maybe this is a conversation for later but it is a concern of mine that i have seen like

[1:48:25] Voice 7: in practice and so um i guess with this statement here is like it's trying to ensure like that kind

[1:48:31] Voice 7: of activity isn't happening and i do appreciate that it's kind of vested in the province but i

[1:48:36] Voice 7: I think there is some gaps in the provincial level in terms of water consumption and use through the Water Sustainability Act that there's like there needs to be more mechanisms in place to ensure that like people are adhering to like sustainable practices with that.

[1:48:52] Voice 7: So sorry to add like a longer winded thing to like when we were like on out of time, but I just had to share that.

[1:48:59] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:48:59] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:49:00] Voice 13: I'd love to chat more about that.

[1:49:03] Voice 13: Where is it going to go with that?

[1:49:05] Voice 13: All right.

[1:49:05] Voice 13: so this policy here we're going to do a straw poll are we going to be forwarding this

[1:49:10] Voice 13: uh hands up if you want to see this forwarded as an amendment on behalf of the itc to trust

[1:49:15] Voice 13: council that as a directive or sorry as a policy just one two uh just one i

[1:49:29] Voice 7: think there's a couple

[1:49:30] Voice 7: of us but i

[1:49:32] Voice 13: don't see i

[1:49:33] Voice 9: think that there was trustee smith trustee nomcom and myself oh okay

[1:49:37] Voice 13: anyone else then

[1:49:39] Voice 13: yep then fantastic we're going to move on all righty sorry oh eight policy

[1:49:47] Voice 13: 3

[1:49:48] Voice 3: .422 point of order chair if three out of

[1:49:53] Voice 3: five of us want this included that is a quorum or that's

[1:49:57] Voice 3: a majority that is a majority yep so it's

[1:50:01] Voice 13: going to be included yeah

[1:50:02] Voice 3: okay so yeah not crossing that

[1:50:05] Voice 14: Great. Thanks. Yes, I included that. If I may. Yes. Chair Grover, thank you. I just want to put into perspective, our timing. So we have numerous other suggestions to go through recommendations. We have a budget talk, we will lose our chair and vice chair at 1230. And so it's 1220.

[1:50:32] Voice 14: and so could we just do a check-in on where we're at with timing and where we are on the agenda

[1:50:37] Voice 14: moving forward i

[1:50:39] Voice 13: could give another 15 minutes myself so that would be 12 45 and i think

[1:50:48] Voice 13: chair nomcom is leaving at 12 30 has a hard stop um how's everybody else for timing i can adjust

[1:50:56] Voice 7: my timing and make

[1:50:58] Voice 13: it a few minutes trustee elliott why

[1:51:01] Voice 3: don't we switch to a budget talk

[1:51:02] Voice 3: to give ourselves a breather make sure we get through that important work and then we can come

[1:51:06] Voice 3: back to this perhaps i

[1:51:08] Voice 13: think that's a great idea um great let's let's do that because i think we

[1:51:17] Voice 13: could we can do that i think all right so we'll move over to uh 6.1.2 uh budget review over to

[1:51:25] Voice 13: you manager cheryl all

[1:51:28] Voice 14: right give me one moment please to sorry quickly on my screens yep that's

[1:51:34] Voice 14: all right okay screen has been shared so we are transitioning to the request for decision uh

[1:52:09] Voice 14: financial planning committee uh has provided a motion to the island's trust conservancy board

[1:52:15] Voice 14: uh requesting an ad another review of the 2020 excuse me 20 20 20 26 27 budget review

[1:52:23] Voice 14: you um staff have provided suggestions for um potential cuts to for the board to consider

[1:52:32] Voice 14: and i am available to answer questions thank

[1:52:36] Voice 13: you i turn it over to the board how is the board

[1:52:39] Voice 13: feeling about the recommendations trustee smith i'm

[1:52:45] Trustee Smith (probable): just very worried about delaying the indigenous

[1:52:49] Trustee Smith (probable): relations advisor when the five-year plan has to be completed at the end of December

[1:52:58] Trustee Smith (probable): 2026 is it not 2026 and that we're not going to have that person and I get that in the text

[1:53:06] Trustee Smith (probable): you've said well someone else the policy advisor could fill in etc but um it's just that that I'm

[1:53:12] Trustee Smith (probable): just worried because I think that's so important and we haven't been able to do anything to date

[1:53:19] Trustee Smith (probable): because we don't have somebody like this so i'm just concerned about the others i'm fine with but

[1:53:24] Trustee Smith (probable): that one i'm concerned manager

[1:53:26] Voice 14: hi thank you trustee smith um first noting that the um engagement

[1:53:33] Voice 14: timeline for the five-year plan our deadline with the minister is december 2027 mid-december 2027

[1:53:40] Voice 14: um what i can contribute to this is that um cao brawny has also um provided this as a suggested

[1:53:50] Voice 14: it reduction for the manager of Indigenous relations. I apologize, I don't know the exact

[1:53:56] Voice 14: title. Thank you.

[1:54:00] Voice 13: Thank you. Any more questions from the board? I'd be concerned as well, but I

[1:54:09] Voice 13: think that we'll find that the, I think we'll find October comes pretty quick, and we have a lot of

[1:54:13] Voice 13: work between us now and then, and we do have things that we could be doing in that time as

[1:54:18] Voice 13: well if we find ourselves with a little extra time, which I really doubt. Any more questions

[1:54:24] Voice 13: from the board? Are we understanding these implications of these recommendations?

[1:54:39] Voice 14: Trustee Elliott has her hand up.

[1:54:41] Voice 13: Thank you. Thank you, Trustee Elliott.

[1:54:46] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair. I support the recommendations. I do think, you know, the Conservancy is

[1:54:55] Voice 3: always frugal with our budget. I think the long-term view of that Indigenous Relations

[1:55:03] Voice 3: relations advisor position is to maintain and build relationships I think the policy advisor

[1:55:09] Voice 3: who is helping structure the engagement and presumably would be funded for the for the next

[1:55:16] Voice 3: term is a critical piece to the success of the five-year plan but I think if staff have put

[1:55:23] Voice 3: this forward and they know best how the project will run I'm comfortable with the recommendations

[1:55:31] Voice 3: And I really want to thank staff for providing these potential budget reductions.

[1:55:38] Voice 3: It totally helps to know what is going to be not going to harm our operations and where we can trim responsibly.

[1:55:46] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:55:48] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:55:49] Voice 13: Manager Trill.

[1:55:52] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:55:53] Voice 14: you um just clarifying one uh small thing um trustee elliott is that in fact the indigenous

[1:56:01] Voice 14: relations advisor position was meant to sit at the table in the initial engagement process with

[1:56:07] Voice 14: um the auxiliary senior policy analyst and myself and board members so um i just want to make that

[1:56:16] Voice 14: clear that will be there are implications to all of these cuts um however um provided that we

[1:56:23] Voice 14: We need to provide cuts.

[1:56:25] Voice 14: We've been asked to provide cuts.

[1:56:27] Voice 14: These are the recommended, given the implications, which are also noted.

[1:56:34] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:56:36] Voice 13: Let's say the board.

[1:56:37] Voice 13: Are we ready to move these forward?

[1:56:45] Voice 13: Are there any more questions for clarity?

[1:56:50] Voice 13: Trustee Elliott?

[1:56:54] Voice 3: Let's move these motions one at a time, perhaps, rather than all at once.

[1:56:59] Voice 3: and then uh folks can decide and vote according to how they what they think does that make sense

[1:57:08] Voice 13: uh strapple show of hands who would wish to do that or yes sorry i

[1:57:15] Voice 2: i support that

[1:57:16] Voice 2: go

[1:57:18] Voice 13: one by one great awesome trustee smith how are you feeling about that we'll go one by one

[1:57:26] Voice 13: and then we're looking for

[1:57:27] Trustee Smith (probable): someone i put my hand up sorry

[1:57:31] Voice 13: There it is. Great. Great.

[1:57:34] Voice 13: Then who would like to make the motion? Trustee Elliott.

[1:57:38] Voice 3: Sure. I'd be happy to.

[1:57:40] Voice 3: I move that the Alice Trust Conservancy Board request staff to reduce ITC's

[1:57:45] Voice 3: 2026-27 proposed budget by delaying the start date of the proposed

[1:57:49] Voice 3: Indigenous Relations Advisor position from June 1st,

[1:57:52] Voice 3: 2026 to October 1st, 2026,

[1:57:55] Voice 3: providing a reduction to the budget of $32,661.

[1:57:59] Voice 3: dollars thank you looking

[1:58:01] Voice 3: for a seconder director

[1:58:09] Voice 12: if i might jump in before it seconded um we sorry

[1:58:13] Voice 12: this got all got produced last minute i would suggest as you move these motions that you just

[1:58:17] Voice 12: stop after like not include the phrase about the reduction to the budget of a certain numerical

[1:58:21] Voice 12: amount i would suggest that you just signal what you want to reduce and perhaps remove those

[1:58:28] Voice 12: references just in case there's an error just be cleaner moving forward and as we convey these back

[1:58:32] Voice 12: and forth how does that sound all throughout all of them remove the numerical amounts i would think

[1:58:40] Voice 12: yeah thank you sorry

[1:58:41] Voice 13: okay everyone understand we're not going to be mentioning the number

[1:58:44] Voice 13: we'll mention where whether the offset or the reduction is coming from thank you

[1:58:50] Voice 13: uh back to you trustee

[1:58:53] Voice 3: elliott yeah that's fine we're just waiting for a seconder if

[1:58:57] Voice 3: if it's to be seconded.

[1:58:59] Voice 13: Great.

[1:58:59] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:58:59] Voice 3: Seconder, please.

[1:59:05] Voice 13: Dean, no seconder.

[1:59:06] Voice 13: I think the motion's dying.

[1:59:09] Trustee Smith (probable): I'll second it.

[1:59:10] Trustee Smith (probable): I'm sorry.

[1:59:11] Trustee Smith (probable): I know we have to do it.

[1:59:13] Trustee Smith (probable): But I have one comment.

[1:59:15] Trustee Smith (probable): Yeah.

[1:59:15] Trustee Smith (probable): I'm just not,

[1:59:16] Trustee Smith (probable): the providing a reduction to the budget,

[1:59:18] Trustee Smith (probable): I really appreciate that you're worried about those numbers,

[1:59:21] Trustee Smith (probable): but I think that's really how we can make this decision

[1:59:26] Trustee Smith (probable): because we know it will reduce the budget by a certain amount.

[1:59:29] Trustee Smith (probable): So even though I do understand, Dr. Frater, why you're saying we should take that out just in case the numbers aren't exactly, but you could say providing a reduction to the budget of approximately $32,000 or something like that, just so that we as a board know what the implications are.

[1:59:48] Voice 12: Yeah, certainly.

[1:59:49] Trustee Smith (probable): That

[1:59:49] Voice 13: would be a solid motion.

[1:59:51] Voice 13: Dr.

[1:59:52] Voice 12: Frater, go ahead.

[1:59:53] Voice 12: Certainly the word approximately could do it.

[1:59:55] Voice 12: If when we convey this motion, we would always put the implications to trust.

[2:00:00] Voice 12: council and financial planning committee in the background so it would be available to them but

[2:00:04] Voice 12: if you wanted to use the word approximately that might alleviate my concern thank you

[2:00:09] Voice 13: uh thank you uh all right sorry my bad uh that was seconded already so we're gonna have to amend

[2:00:16] Voice 13: this motion oh no we're not anyway i'm gonna call the vote on the motion all in favor not seeing any

[2:00:34] Voice 13: any hands? One. I put my hand up. Thank you. All in favor? I see one only. Then I will call for

[2:00:48] Voice 13: opposed. Opposed? Trustee Elliott, you're opposed? Yes. And Vice Chair Tanner or Vice Chair Noncom

[2:01:02] Voice 13: is opposed and Janine is opposed. I'm going to vote in favor. It doesn't change the vote though.

[2:01:08] Voice 13: so the motion fails. All right. Tricky place to be. All right. So we do have some more motions

[2:01:22] Voice 13: here. If somebody would like to make it. Moving on to item B. Trustee Elliott?

[2:01:32] Voice 3: Sure. I move that the Islands Trust Conservancy Board request staff to reduce ITC's 2026-27

[2:01:38] Voice 3: proposed budget by reducing in-person ITC board meetings from two to one,

[2:01:43] Voice 3: providing an approximate reduction to the budget of $2,200.

[2:01:50] Voice 3: thank

[2:01:50] Voice 13: you and i am looking for a seconder uh jesse smith thank you and i shall call the vote

[2:01:59] Voice 13: all in favor and myself that's unanimous thank you that motion carries and moving on to the next

[2:02:13] Voice 13: motion c um vice chair now come are you moving the motion uh

[2:02:21] Voice 7: sure and i also have a comment i

[2:02:24] Voice 7: know that trustee yates isn't here but i know she would she does really enjoy the in-person

[2:02:28] Voice 7: meeting, so I'm thinking of her. I'm happy to read this. C, reducing the, is it C, sorry?

[2:02:36] Voice 13: Yes, it is C. Yep. So you

[2:02:38] Voice 13: can move that to the Islands Trust Conservancy Board and then proceed

[2:02:42] Voice 13: to C.

[2:02:44] Voice 7: Thank you. That the Islands Trust Conservancy Board request staff to reduce the ITC's 2026-2027

[2:02:51] Voice 7: proposed budget by c reducing the professional services budget line 56100-210 by three

[2:03:01] Voice 7: approximately three thousand dollars thank

[2:03:05] Voice 13: you uh seconder trustee elliott seconds any discussion

[2:03:10] Voice 13: then i shall call the vote all in favor raise your hands unanimous raise my hand

[2:03:24] Voice 13: that motion carries on to motion d i'm looking for a mover my share

[2:03:41] Voice 7: uh thank you um i'd like to move that the island stress conservancy board request staff to reduce

[2:03:46] Voice 7: the itc's 2026 27 a proposed budget rather by d allocating 12 of itc's property management fund

[2:03:56] Voice 7: to offset the Protected Areas Management Operations Budget Line 61300-210 by approximately $21,347.83.

[2:04:11] Voice 13: So moved. Looking for a seconder.

[2:04:16] Voice 13: Seconder, Chessie Smith, thank you. Any discussion?

[2:04:20] Voice 13: Chessie Elliott? No discussion?

[2:04:23] Voice 13: Then I shall call the vote. All in favor?

[2:04:30] Voice 13: Unanimous. Carried.

[2:04:31] Voice 13: That motion is carried.

[2:04:34] Voice 13: Excellent work, everyone.

[2:04:36] Voice 13: And then we have another motion, number two, I'm looking for a mover.

[2:04:44] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott.

[2:04:46] Voice 3: I move that the Island Trust Conservancy Board approve the revised proposed 2026-27 ITC budget

[2:04:53] Voice 3: as presented and direct staff to provide to the Director of Administrative Services and the

[2:04:58] Voice 3: Director of Trust Area Services for inclusion in the Island Trust Draft 2026-27 budget.

[2:05:05] Voice 13: Thank you. Looking for a seconder. Vice Chair Namcom, thank you. Any discussion?

[2:05:12] Voice 13: comments then i shall call the vote all right

[2:05:15] Voice 6: yeah

[2:05:16] Voice 3: yeah it's i i we should read as amended

[2:05:23] Voice 3: because it wasn't as presented we made it amendments and we still need a second i believe

[2:05:28] Voice 13: thank you chair

[2:05:33] Voice 2: gavro um manager tyrell has her hand up as well yep

[2:05:38] Voice 13: manager tyrell go ahead

[2:05:39] Voice 13: thank

[2:05:42] Voice 14: you that was my comment thank you thank

[2:05:46] Voice 13: you as amended okay great um i'm sorry did we

[2:05:50] Voice 13: get a seconder uh

[2:05:54] Voice 7: yes that was me before it was just amended um with that last revision but i

[2:05:59] Voice 7: still can second it

[2:06:00] Voice 13: still can second thank you verified and then i shall call the vote

[2:06:04] Voice 13: all in favor and myself unanimous motion carries excellent i'm looking i trust you smith your hand

[2:06:25] Voice 13: is up. Manager Tyrrell, is there anything else you need from us on this?

[2:06:35] Voice 14: No, I do not. Thank you.

[2:06:37] Voice 14: I will adjust these to be separate motions since that's how they were presented. So these will be

[2:06:45] Voice 14: five motions. One, two, three, sorry. Four. Four motions with one defeated.

[2:06:55] Voice 13: Yeah. Yeah.

[2:06:56] Voice 13: Awesome. Thank you very much for that. And then we shall move back, I believe, until to item 1.6.1.1, the trust policy statement.

[2:07:08] Voice 13: Oh, where were we? We were on item 8. That would be page 3 of the agenda.

[2:07:30] Voice 3: So, Chair, that's your new item?

[2:07:36] Voice 13: We're on number 8, the policy.

[2:07:39] Voice 6: see

[2:07:39] Voice 14: yeah yeah i will reshare the resolutions page okay give me one moment please all right

[2:07:53] Voice 3: item eight was new business so we're going back to the policy statement oh we are back at the

[2:07:58] Voice 3: policy statement yeah okay

[2:07:59] Voice 13: six point

[2:08:01] Voice 13: my apologies for the confusion i'll speak louder 6.1.1 great

[2:08:15] Voice 13: um policy 3.4.22 should include the exemption of protecting decommissioned logging roads

[2:08:23] Voice 13: uh comments from the board should we advance this jesse

[2:08:39] Voice 3: elliott i think it's out of our lane

[2:08:43] Voice 3: we don't really understand the intent of that but perhaps trustee smith has some comments

[2:08:48] Voice 3: trustee smith you're

[2:08:50] Trustee Smith (probable): muted uh it's not my point either i don't know where it comes from and i

[2:08:56] Trustee Smith (probable): don't actually understand so maybe i'm there i don't understand yep

[2:09:02] Voice 13: i'm not interested in

[2:09:04] Voice 13: in advancing this uh vice chair uh

[2:09:08] Voice 7: thank you chair govra i also don't really understand

[2:09:11] Voice 7: um what it's trying to communicate as well thank

[2:09:14] Voice 13: you then let's move on uh looking at the time

[2:09:17] Voice 13: unless trustee georgia feels emphatic about any discussion here

[2:09:23] Voice 10: no i know thank

[2:09:27] Voice 13: you uh all right

[2:09:28] Voice 13: we'll move on to item nine here which is goal three preserve and protect healthy and biodiverse

[2:09:34] Voice 13: natural ecosystems. Wait a minute, am I on the wrong? Sorry, am I on the right sheet here? Yes,

[2:09:40] Voice 13: I am. Okay. Yeah, from the Coumin Montreal global biodiversity framework as a target. How are we

[2:09:50] Voice 13: feeling about this one? We've already sort of discussed this so we can move on and advance

[2:09:56] Voice 13: it in other places. So let's go on to numbers are all funny for me. Vice Chair, next one.

[2:10:08] Voice 7: Um, I know we already discussed it. And just a really, really silly question. Like, would anyone be confused by the 30 by 30? Or is that like, well understood of like, what, what that's referring to?

[2:10:23] Voice 13: I they would be I don't think it's I think most of us know what that would mean.

[2:10:28] Voice 7: Okay, perfect. I just wanted

[2:10:30] Voice 7: to make sure I just know.

[2:10:32] Voice 13: It's

[2:10:32] Voice 7: a stupid question. So I just wanted to make sure in case someone's thinking we're doing multiplication in this sentence.

[2:10:39] Voice 13: we're already advancing this in the motion in one of the other motions so okay

[2:10:43] Voice 7: understood thank you

[2:10:44] Voice 7: i just wanted to clarify that's all sorry and

[2:10:51] Voice 13: then we are on to item eight reference that

[2:10:57] Voice 13: climate mitigation any comments from the board trustee

[2:11:02] Trustee Smith (probable): smith i did put this in here because

[2:11:04] Trustee Smith (probable): we have a climate change declaration but there's nothing the thing about what we're doing protected

[2:11:11] Trustee Smith (probable): protected areas, is that we are protecting the mitigation abilities of ecosystems, you know,

[2:11:19] Trustee Smith (probable): to sequester carbon from the atmosphere. And this is really important. And we don't mention that

[2:11:23] Trustee Smith (probable): anymore. And that is why we want to maintain ecosystems. We don't have, we have so little

[2:11:30] Trustee Smith (probable): on climate change in this. I don't think anybody who reads this policy statement would think we're

[2:11:36] Trustee Smith (probable): doing anything on climate change yet we you know there's a very light mention to it um here and

[2:11:42] Trustee Smith (probable): there so i do think we need to i don't think we have to give wording here but i think there has

[2:11:48] Trustee Smith (probable): to be something on the importance of protected areas for climate change mitigation in i prefer

[2:11:55] Trustee Smith (probable): it's a directive policy but

[2:11:57] Voice 3: that

[2:11:58] Trustee Smith (probable): can be a consideration when you're doing land use planning

[2:12:01] Trustee Smith (probable): But it could also be an advisory policy, but I just think it's not in there.

[2:12:06] Trustee Smith (probable): It's really the core of the climate change biodiversity nexus, which everybody's addressing.

[2:12:16] Trustee Smith (probable): I think it's important, but we don't have to provide the words, just let it be in there.

[2:12:23] Trustee Smith (probable): Vice-Chairman Emcom.

[2:12:25] Voice 7: Yeah, thank you, Trustee Smith, and thank you for raising this in previous discussions.

[2:12:32] Voice 7: And I agree, you know, the mitigation part is really what's key, right? Because we witness the phenomenon and the work that we're trying to do is actually trying to, you know, prevent further change and impact. Just wondering, should it say reference to climate change mitigation or is climate mitigation suffice? Or does that not matter?

[2:12:57] Voice 7: Probably

[2:12:58] Trustee Smith (probable): climate change is better.

[2:12:59] Trustee Smith (probable): Yeah, okay.

[2:13:01] Voice 7: I agree. And then with that in mind, I support this.

[2:13:06] Voice 7: board and i have no further comments thank you

[2:13:14] Voice 8: chair

[2:13:17] Voice 7: gabriel i just want to say that uh trustee

[2:13:19] Voice 7: elliott has a hand up and also provided a comment in the in the chat thank

[2:13:24] Voice 3: you very much trustee

[2:13:25] Voice 3: elliott go ahead thank you so this is one of those that it's a bit outside of our lane to propose

[2:13:31] Voice 3: exactly what indirect policies to ltc's but we could say uh the itc would like to see where

[2:13:38] Voice 3: where possible, adding stronger language regarding climate change mitigation

[2:13:42] Voice 3: and adaptation to directive and advisory policies generally.

[2:13:48] Voice 3: That could be, you know, then council could take that and go,

[2:13:51] Voice 3: well, where is it missing, and adding that language.

[2:13:57] Voice 13: I would be in favor of that.

[2:14:01] Voice 13: Let's say the rest of the board.

[2:14:13] Voice 14: Would you like

[2:14:14] Voice 3: me to put a

[2:14:14] Voice 14: revised language here?

[2:14:21] Voice 14: I'll send it to you, Wendy.

[2:14:23] Voice 14: Okay. I cannot copy and paste in the chat, just

[2:14:27] Voice 6: so you know.

[2:14:27] Voice 6: I'm forgetting about that. Yeah.

[2:14:28] Voice 14: Yeah. So it's not helpful if it goes in the chat?

[2:14:31] Voice 14: It's coming right now.

[2:14:33] Voice 14: Okay. Fantastic. We like that.

[2:14:38] Voice 13: Trustee Smith, I have a question. Are you in

[2:14:41] Voice 13: favor of this line of direction with this

[2:14:46] Voice 13: I don't know. I'm not sure.

[2:14:49] Trustee Smith (probable): What am I? I don't know what I'm approving.

[2:14:51] Voice 13: Oh, okay. Yeah. Just

[2:14:52] Voice 13: generalize it a little more. It's this because this is such like a trust wide

[2:14:59] Voice 13: policy, right? So it's, it's going to be affected by the work of others as well. So I think our

[2:15:07] Voice 13: direction needs to be more generic and, or not generic, but general, rather than prescriptive.

[2:15:12] Voice 13: I'm

[2:15:14] Trustee Smith (probable): okay with that but I do think um we do have more policies about adaptation but it's

[2:15:24] Trustee Smith (probable): mitigation that I don't think that um the islands trust really or maybe even ITC board really

[2:15:32] Trustee Smith (probable): captured how important that is that's like a positive why we you know and I I just I I'm fine

[2:15:40] Trustee Smith (probable): with this but I think you started the whole discussion by saying that you

[2:15:45] Trustee Smith (probable): think climate change is captured throughout and I actually don't think it

[2:15:50] Trustee Smith (probable): is so we're asking for stronger language but and I like that but I just don't see

[2:15:56] Trustee Smith (probable): how it's going to happen.

[2:15:59] Voice 13: So how about what we're seeing on right now on the board

[2:16:03] Voice 13: or possible add stronger language regarding climate change mitigation and

[2:16:09] Trustee Smith (probable): I guess I would rather say make it stronger not where possible because it won't happen it would

[2:16:14] Trustee Smith (probable): have already happened I would say add stronger language regarding and the rest of the sentence

[2:16:20] Trustee Smith (probable): where possible add stronger language oh I want to take out the where possible

[2:16:25] Trustee Smith (probable): because that qualifies it in a way that means it's not going to happen because if it

[2:16:30] Trustee Smith (probable): it would have already happened

[2:16:32] Voice 8: I

[2:16:42] Voice 13: like recommend adding stronger language

[2:16:46] Voice 13: sure

[2:16:47] Voice 14: manager cheryl i'm gonna remove my hand thank you i

[2:17:00] Voice 6: think we're losing the word possible

[2:17:05] Voice 13: all right lord what do you think we can get behind

[2:17:11] Voice 13: that are we

[2:17:11] Voice 14: are we removing an adaptation sorry

[2:17:14] Voice 14: no no leave it elsewhere okay

[2:17:15] Voice 14: thank

[2:17:17] Voice 13: you so we'll replace item 11 with this

[2:17:24] Voice 13: how does the board feel around that yes or no yes because i'd like to move on

[2:17:30] Voice 13: number 12 nope sorry 11 wait a minute my number is off i think it is 12 should be

[2:17:47] Voice 3: cared i wouldn't worry about the numbers they keep changing as the word document amends

[2:17:52] Voice 13: i know i'm lost now i use my numbers all right so i'm gonna build this one right here um that

[2:17:57] Voice 13: directive policy 343 be focused on protecting ecosystem services provided by the natural

[2:18:03] Voice 13: environment? What are the board's feelings on this one? Trustee Smith,

[2:18:21] Trustee Smith (probable): sorry, I didn't see your hand there, I'm sorry.

[2:18:23] Trustee Smith (probable): Go ahead.

[2:18:24] Trustee Smith (probable): So the way this reads now, it's 3.4.3. It says consider the aesthetic, environmental and social impacts of development.

[2:18:33] Trustee Smith (probable): But it doesn't say anything about considering the ecosystem services provided by the natural environment.

[2:18:40] Trustee Smith (probable): I would like to add that what this would do would be add that to what's already there

[2:18:45] Trustee Smith (probable): all

[2:18:51] Voice 13: right so it would simply be adding um actually

[2:18:54] Trustee Smith (probable): I actually personally think we don't need that

[2:18:57] Trustee Smith (probable): long I don't think the long consider the aesthetic environmental and social impacts of development

[2:19:01] Trustee Smith (probable): I don't actually think that's saying anything but I think it would be saying something to say

[2:19:07] Trustee Smith (probable): consider, sorry, the impact, consider the impacts of development on the ecosystem services provided

[2:19:22] Trustee Smith (probable): by the natural environment. That's what it says now. It just says consider sustainability. Might

[2:19:29] Trustee Smith (probable): as well say that. We already have that somewhere else.

[2:19:32] Voice 13: Yeah, I

[2:19:33] Trustee Smith (probable): see your point. Any other comments

[2:19:35] Voice 13: from the board? Then I'm going to, if there's no opposition, then I would suggest that we move on

[2:19:44] Voice 13: to the next item um apologies

[2:19:48] Voice 14: we take out

[2:19:50] Voice 14: can can we read what we would like to have please

[2:19:59] Voice 13: excellent

[2:19:59] Trustee Smith (probable): what i said was consider the impacts of development on ecosystem services provided

[2:20:04] Trustee Smith (probable): by the natural environment and i would take out the aesthetic environmental social impacts

[2:20:09] Trustee Smith (probable): so you may um sorry consider the impacts of development on ecosystem services provided

[2:20:18] Trustee Smith (probable): by the natural environment leave out the rest not that i don't think the rest is important

[2:20:23] Trustee Smith (probable): but we already have something about sustainability and that's kind of all it says

[2:20:27] Trustee Smith (probable): it doesn't say anything about ecosystem services and that's lacking also in this document any

[2:20:36] Voice 13: comments

[2:20:37] Voice 12: from the board dr freighter um i think we're just looking for clarity are you recommending

[2:20:43] Voice 12: to trust council that those words be taken out of the document or are you simply recommending

[2:20:47] Voice 12: that ecosystem services be added to the policy i'm

[2:20:51] Trustee Smith (probable): recommended in this particular area 3.4.3

[2:20:55] Trustee Smith (probable): because we've already got language on sustainable development and when you talk about the aesthetic

[2:21:01] Trustee Smith (probable): environmental and social impacts you're just talking about sustainable development

[2:21:05] Trustee Smith (probable): but we're what we're missing is this piece about ecosystem services so 3.4.1 is um really no not

[2:21:16] Trustee Smith (probable): that one there's an if i think that's the one was one on sustainable development i can't remember

[2:21:20] Trustee Smith (probable): which one

[2:21:20] Voice 13: yeah

[2:21:21] Trustee Smith (probable): i

[2:21:22] Voice 13: think we're well we're losing the social impacts of development which is i think one

[2:21:26] Voice 13: of the when we're talking about uh managing growth that's uh a theme a major theme i'm not sure we

[2:21:33] Voice 13: want to trim that out director yeah

[2:21:35] Voice 12: so if you wanted to rephrase it it could be like you've

[2:21:38] Voice 12: as wendy's just added you could say be amended to read okay yeah um and then just rephrase it

[2:21:43] Voice 12: how you wish to have it just for clarity when we convey this motion over just so we yeah we're

[2:21:48] Voice 12: clear on your intent thank you okay let's move on that's on all right to the board yeah that's good

[2:21:58] Voice 14: clear

[2:21:58] Voice 13: excellent all right next time

[2:21:59] Voice 14: uh i'm sorry i'm not clear

[2:22:07] Voice 14: i would like clarity on what you would like it to say exactly so are we taking out social impacts

[2:22:13] Voice 14: of development or are we leading it in?

[2:22:20] Trustee Smith (probable): Trusty Smith?

[2:22:23] Trustee Smith (probable): Well, if you want to leave the rest, I'm okay with it.

[2:22:26] Trustee Smith (probable): Why don't we just say, consider the impacts of development

[2:22:31] Trustee Smith (probable): on ecosystem services provided by the natural environment

[2:22:35] Voice 4: and

[2:22:35] Trustee Smith (probable): aesthetic environmental and social impacts.

[2:22:40] Trustee Smith (probable): Right, just like that.

[2:22:41] Trustee Smith (probable): That work better?

[2:22:42] Trustee Smith (probable): Okay, we have to take out of development again

[2:22:45] Trustee Smith (probable): because you've said it twice.

[2:22:49] Trustee Smith (probable): Thank you, that's very helpful.

[2:22:50] Voice 13: I think it's appropriate for managing growth direct to policy.

[2:22:54] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:22:55] Voice 14: And thank you. It is a lot easier to rewrite these if I'm,

[2:22:58] Voice 14: if I'm clear on exactly what we're changing. Thank you.

[2:23:01] Voice 13: Thank

[2:23:02] Voice 14: you.

[2:23:04] Voice 13: All right. I'll just keep an eye on the time.

[2:23:07] Voice 13: We are on 3.3.3 mentioned sense of ecosystems that should be near shore

[2:23:13] Voice 13: marine. This one here, I think if you look down 3.3.3,

[2:23:21] Voice 13: what is it three point sorry i gotta find it on here oh it actually says that the provision below

[2:23:30] Voice 13: right on where does it say that

[2:23:34] Trustee Smith (probable): hang on marine shorelines

[2:23:37] Voice 13: yeah i see what you're saying yeah

[2:23:38] Voice 13: i think that i

[2:23:39] Voice 13: think we can cut this one because it's mentioned in another

[2:23:44] Voice 13: how does the board feeling about that i'm good with that

[2:23:48] Voice 10: you're good with that uh trustee

[2:23:51] Voice 10: um so i just i just need a little bit of clarity it there is a policy that already references

[2:24:00] Voice 10: or mentions the more sensitive ecosystems like it's already included elsewhere are we wanting

[2:24:05] Voice 10: to put it in this yeah

[2:24:06] Voice 13: and you're sure ecosystems is already addressed specifically in policy 3.3.6

[2:24:11] Voice 13: okay

[2:24:12] Voice 14: yeah

[2:24:14] Voice 13: all right next item and i'm looking at the time uh manager cheryl um

[2:24:22] Voice 14: i just want

[2:24:23] Voice 14: to mention that 3.3.3 does not mention sensitive ecosystems so i'm concerned that was not the

[2:24:29] Voice 14: intended um policy directive policy but if we're ready to move on i will move on it

[2:24:38] Trustee Smith (probable): was 3.3.2

[2:24:39] Trustee Smith (probable): it's incorrect it says 3.3.3 but it was 3.3.2 okay so i decided not to do it because it's in

[2:24:47] And

[2:24:47] Trustee Smith (probable): so

[2:24:48] Voice 13: it's

[2:24:50] Voice 9: redundant to mention this in this one.

[2:24:52] Voice 13: Great. Thank you very much.

[2:24:54] Voice 9: All right.

[2:24:56] Voice 13: Then we're on to the last item, I believe.

[2:25:00] Voice 13: Item 14.

[2:25:04] Trustee Smith (probable): This is very important.

[2:25:08] Trustee Smith (probable): I know it's only an advisory policy, but if you look what we're saying,

[2:25:12] Trustee Smith (probable): we're saying that, you know,

[2:25:14] Trustee Smith (probable): natural encouraged construction of buildings and structures using local

[2:25:17] Trustee Smith (probable): local natural building materials and techniques,

[2:25:20] Trustee Smith (probable): minimize barriers to their use.

[2:25:22] Trustee Smith (probable): But we are trying to encourage climate change adaptation

[2:25:26] Trustee Smith (probable): and fire resilient, use of fire resilient materials

[2:25:30] Trustee Smith (probable): and energy efficient materials.

[2:25:33] Trustee Smith (probable): And this implies that, for example,

[2:25:36] Trustee Smith (probable): we should be encouraging people to put on cedar shaped roofs,

[2:25:39] Trustee Smith (probable): which for fire resilience is like a disaster.

[2:25:42] Trustee Smith (probable): So I think this should come out completely

[2:25:45] Trustee Smith (probable): as an advisory policy, and I think it would be a place

[2:25:50] Trustee Smith (probable): where we could include something, encourage the use

[2:25:54] Trustee Smith (probable): of climate-resilient materials, energy-efficient technologies

[2:25:57] Trustee Smith (probable): and energy securities technologies.

[2:26:01] Trustee Smith (probable): Then you're talking about something about climate change adaptation.

[2:26:04] Trustee Smith (probable): It's only an advisory policy, of course, about housing,

[2:26:07] Trustee Smith (probable): but 3.4.1.9 is, I think, actually contrary to what we want to do.

[2:26:14] Trustee Smith (probable): uh

[2:26:18] Voice 3: trustee elliott i'm of the opposite view um i we don't regulate building code at all so it's

[2:26:26] Voice 3: totally out of our lane to even comment on building materials this was actually meant to

[2:26:31] Voice 3: support cob structures and um not necessarily cedar shakes and actually a lot of the greenhouse

[2:26:41] Voice 3: gas emission materials like the step four building code and the way it's going includes a lot of

[2:26:46] Voice 3: plastic and like super high air tightness and imported materials so what this was suggesting

[2:26:53] Voice 3: is that where possible to encourage the use of local building supplies which reduces greenhouse

[2:27:02] Voice 3: gas emissions because they don't have to be imported um but it's not speaking to fire

[2:27:06] Voice 3: resiliency that's regulated by code so i do think this is it's very tricky for the conservancy to

[2:27:11] Voice 3: weigh in i suggest we just take this one out um because it has to do with building which isn't

[2:27:17] Voice 3: even islands trust regulatory powers thanks thank

[2:27:23] Voice 13: you and i agree uh rest from the board

[2:27:26] Voice 13: take

[2:27:27] Trustee Smith (probable): it right out is

[2:27:28] Trustee Smith (probable): that what you're saying take it right out is that what you said

[2:27:29] Trustee Smith (probable): yeah

[2:27:30] Voice 13: yeah

[2:27:32] Voice 3: yeah uh

[2:27:34] Voice 13: any opposition from the other board members or can we move on because i'm

[2:27:38] Voice 13: looking at the time here i'm

[2:27:41] Voice 1: happy to move along thank

[2:27:43] Voice 13: you and then we shall move along

[2:27:45] Voice 13: uh was there anything else that the manager cheryl would need from the board on this

[2:27:52] Voice 13: referral response we

[2:27:58] Voice 14: would need to go through the motion yes we would can

[2:28:03] Voice 13: we see that motion

[2:28:03] Voice 14: of course of course sorry i

[2:28:07] Voice 13: feel like it was a squirrel in my brain looking at the time trying

[2:28:11] Voice 13: to get everyone out on time i'm respectful of your time thank you very much trustee

[2:28:15] Voice 13: yeah

[2:28:17] Trustee Smith (probable): just for that last one you you've deleted the like an amendment but you haven't

[2:28:24] Trustee Smith (probable): clarified that you're deleting the whole of 3.4.19 as it now stands

[2:28:31] Trustee Smith (probable): 3.4.19 you've deleted an amendment to it as i had suggested that's our amendment but yeah

[2:28:40] Trustee Smith (probable): But you haven't indicated that we want to delete

[2:28:44] Trustee Smith (probable): all of 3.4.19 as it currently stands.

[2:28:49] Voice 13: I'm not sure that we do.

[2:28:51] Voice 13: It's an advisory policy.

[2:28:52] Voice 13: I think the council could probably...

[2:28:54] Voice 13: Toby just spoke to that.

[2:28:55] Voice 13: They

[2:28:55] Voice 3: take it out?

[2:28:57] Voice 3: No, I misspoke then.

[2:28:59] Voice 3: I think we should leave this alone.

[2:29:01] Voice 3: It is outside of the range of the Conservancy

[2:29:04] Voice 3: to weigh in on building policy.

[2:29:06] Voice 3: It's just like, that's for LTCs to consider.

[2:29:09] Voice 3: it's not really ours to weigh in on i don't think why is it here then you

[2:29:17] Trustee Smith (probable): had suggested it

[2:29:18] Trustee Smith (probable): no no i mean why is the other part here it's talking about but

[2:29:22] Trustee Smith (probable): it doesn't say that

[2:29:24] Voice 13: and there are ocps that'll favor uh construction it might come up as direction from uh during an

[2:29:31] Voice 13: application which then fire smart principles would be observed as well but that isn't what i agree

[2:29:38] Voice 13: I agree.

[2:29:39] Voice 3: I like that,

[2:29:40] Trustee Smith (probable): but it's not what it says.

[2:29:41] Voice 3: But we cannot direct how that policy shows up. It's not in our realm.

[2:29:47] Voice 3: It could show up as an eco-village zoning, for instance, that warehouses are built of natural materials.

[2:29:53] Voice 3: There could be more of them because it's less embedded carbon, for instance.

[2:29:58] Voice 3: So it's not.

[2:30:00] Voice 3: It wasn't necessarily speaking to, I just, I think time is out for debating this one personally.

[2:30:07] Trustee Smith (probable): Well, okay, then I'll have, I mean, I just don't see why it's in there at all.

[2:30:12] Trustee Smith (probable): What you're saying is we can have it as an advisory policy, but we don't have any jurisdiction over it.

[2:30:20] Trustee Smith (probable): And it's not clear what it means.

[2:30:22] Trustee Smith (probable): So why would we even have it there?

[2:30:24] Voice 3: Because all advisory policies indicate a direction that council or an LTC could go,

[2:30:29] Voice 3: and they can adopt that as a directive policy

[2:30:32] Voice 3: if it's appropriate for their local trust area.

[2:30:35] Voice 3: It's just you cannot mandate that for all LTCs.

[2:30:38] Voice 3: That's what directive policies are for.

[2:30:41] Voice 14: Thank you. Manager Terrell?

[2:30:44] Voice 14: I was going to suggest a straw poll on this, if I may.

[2:30:48] Voice 14: Oh, excellent. Thank you, straw poll.

[2:30:51] Voice 13: Those, I'm sorry, what are we trying, on whether, okay,

[2:30:55] Voice 13: Okay. Are we, is the ITC interested in referring to the Trust Council to removal, the wholesale

[2:31:03] Voice 13: removal of item 3.4.19 from the Trust Policy Statement? Strap hole, please. Wendy, you're in?

[2:31:16] Voice 13: No kidding. Sorry. I see only one hand, so we'll move on because we're pressed for time. Is it

[2:31:23] Voice 13: it possible that we can see this motion on the screen?

[2:31:28] Voice 14: I'm sorry, I have one question. We have

[2:31:30] Voice 14: a proposal here of an amendment to 3.4.19. Is that proposal moving forward in your motion?

[2:31:39] Voice 14: No. No. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:31:58] Voice 13: All right, then we are ready for a motion from the board.

[2:32:03] Voice 13: Who feels like reading? I'm missing Trustee Yates. She loves reading long motions.

[2:32:07] Voice 13: are we ready for a motion board i think we have consensus here i

[2:32:19] Trustee Smith (probable): can read it if you want someone

[2:32:20] Trustee Smith (probable): to read it is that what you're asking thank you yep please proceed and the whole thing like it

[2:32:26] Trustee Smith (probable): would be abc and d now is that the idea yeah all at once or oh i'm sorry i can't read it i have an

[2:32:35] Trustee Smith (probable): important call from the health care i'm sorry okay thank

[2:32:39] Voice 7: you trustee smith i can i can read

[2:32:41] Voice 7: through are we going to go through all at once or i

[2:32:45] Voice 13: think we've already had discussion on these

[2:32:46] Voice 13: um these are good okay so

[2:32:49] Voice 7: i'll just read through each one uh starting with uh the top part correct

[2:32:54] Voice 6: yep yep okay

[2:32:55] Voice 7: uh i i move that um the island trust conservancy board indicate to the islands trust

[2:33:01] Voice 7: council that it recommends approval of islands trust council draft bylaw 183 islands trust

[2:33:09] Voice 7: policy statement with the following recommendations to consider a that part one of the islands trust

[2:33:15] Voice 7: act page four include the following paragraph and i quote the islands trust conservancy was

[2:33:22] Voice 7: established by the british columbia provincial government in 1990 as a regional land trust and

[2:33:27] Voice 7: the conservation arm of the islands trust the work of the islands trust conservancy board

[2:33:32] Voice 7: is guided by the islands trust conservancy five-year plan which is approved by the minister

[2:33:37] Voice 7: of municipal housing and affairs under section 44 of the islands trust act um and b that section

[2:33:48] Voice 7: 2.3.1 cooperation principles page 10 uh be revised as amended uh to collaborate closely

[2:33:58] Voice 7: with on the trust conservancy board and be informed by local indigenous knowledge science

[2:34:04] Voice 7: based conservation planning ecosystem mapping identification of core conservation areas

[2:34:11] Voice 7: and protected area networks and protection of species and ecosystems at risk including

[2:34:18] Voice 7: critical habitat excuse me c uh that the terms and phrase be clarified relating to the concepts

[2:34:28] Voice 7: of biology ecology climate change habitat restoration habitat fragmentation environment

[2:34:36] Voice 7: and sustainable communities looking to definitions used in BC statutes

[2:34:41] Voice 7: and regulations as examples.

[2:34:43] Voice 7: An example, Environmental Management Act, Water Sustainability Act, etc.

[2:34:49] Voice 7: These acts include statutory definitions for environmental terms.

[2:34:59] Voice 13: Can we have a screen a little bit?

[2:35:01] Voice 13: We can continue reading.

[2:35:08] Voice 14: Question, please.

[2:35:10] Voice 14: This should probably be revised as suggested.

[2:35:15] Voice 14: not amended.

[2:35:17] Voice 13: Thank you very much for that. I wasn't looking for any. I had it in my notes,

[2:35:23] Voice 13: but I forgot to do that.

[2:35:26] Voice 14: Yeah, we haven't finessed these quite yet, perhaps. I also,

[2:35:33] Voice 14: I would suggest we reread this because there was too many ands and such. And so it needed to be

[2:35:40] Voice 14: cleaned up. And we haven't had that opportunity until now. Okay. So now

[2:35:45] Voice 13: come to reading B,

[2:35:46] Voice 13: starting at two to collaborate um

[2:35:51] Voice 7: say that again sorry uh

[2:35:53] Voice 13: starting at b uh on item b uh starting

[2:35:56] Voice 13: at to collaborate closely we want to read that paragraph again yes

[2:35:59] Voice 7: thank you chair gabriel to

[2:36:01] Voice 7: uh to collaborate closely with the islands trust conservancy board and be informed by local

[2:36:08] Voice 7: indigenous knowledge science-based conservation planning ecosystem mapping identification of core

[2:36:15] Voice 7: conservation areas protected area networks and protection of species and

[2:36:23] Voice 7: ecosystems at risk including critical habitat thank

[2:36:29] Voice 13: you please proceed our so

[2:36:35] Voice 13: did we want to do the voting right now and then start another motion because

[2:36:40] Voice 13: I think we

[2:36:41] Voice 7: should do that chair if that's okay it

[2:36:43] Voice 13: feels right a seconder

[2:36:45] Voice 13: please uh just second or trustee elliott and then i shall call the vote all in favor and i might as

[2:36:56] Voice 13: well that's four of us the motion is carried and then we'll proceed on with further with the

[2:37:00] Voice 13: amendments uh trustee smith her

[2:37:09] Voice 7: i think her hand may be up from the voting i'm happy to to continue

[2:37:12] Voice 7: so

[2:37:13] Voice 13: do i state

[2:37:14] Voice 7: do i state the what highlighted again just to be correct

[2:37:17] Voice 13: yes please

[2:37:18] Voice 7: i think

[2:37:19] Voice 13: they're trimming it in there for you yeah

[2:37:22] Voice 7: okay thank you nicely done

[2:37:23] Voice 7: so um in continuation i'd

[2:37:27] Voice 7: like to move that the islands trust conservancy board indicate to the islands trust council that

[2:37:32] Voice 7: it recommends approval of islands trust council draft bylaw 183 islands trust policy statement

[2:37:37] Voice 7: with the following additional recommendations to consider one a new general guiding principle

[2:37:43] Voice 7: on climate change adaptation and mitigation should be added to that wording in the goal

[2:37:52] Voice 7: in that wording in goal three title should be should include that the health of natural

[2:37:59] Voice 7: ecosystems is a high priority or as a high priority maybe if that's correct i can just

[2:38:12] Voice 7: reread it i think

[2:38:14] Voice 6: as okay

[2:38:15] Voice 7: so i'll just repeat that sorry number two that wording in the goal

[2:38:19] Voice 7: three title should include that the health of natural ecosystems as a high priority three the

[2:38:27] Voice 7: importance of protecting a minimum of 30 percent of the land and water in the trust area should

[2:38:32] Voice 7: appear in an appropriate section in the policy statement for the draft directive policy 3.4.1

[2:38:41] Voice 7: should include consideration of the ecological ecological integrity of each island and the

[2:38:48] Voice 7: ability of the natural ecosystems to support particular developments be added five consider

[2:38:56] Voice 7: adding a new section such as a commitment of trust council lists long-standing advocacy positions

[2:39:01] Voice 7: such as no fixed links between vancouver island and the islands in the trust area an example no

[2:39:08] Voice 7: bridge policy the elimination of clear-cut logging of old gross forests opposition to large vessel

[2:39:15] Voice 7: vessel anchorages in the salish seas and stronger tools for protection of biodiversity

[2:39:21] Voice 7: six the that policy 3.5.6 advisory policy on freshwater use should be made a directive policy

[2:39:30] Voice 7: can

[2:39:37] Voice 3: we pause just yeah right there's just some language um grammar in five there

[2:39:47] Voice 3: yeah thank

[2:39:49] Voice 7: you trustee elliott trust

[2:39:50] Voice 3: council which lists or um to support long-standing advocacy

[2:39:58] Voice 3: positions or which lists yeah i think that would help

[2:40:02] Voice 13: agreed great

[2:40:10] Trustee Smith (probable): can

[2:40:13] Voice 7: we just accept that as

[2:40:14] Voice 7: amended or should that be reread hers i

[2:40:18] Voice 13: think that's fine okay

[2:40:20] Voice 7: thank you and i believe we're

[2:40:25] Voice 7: going to seven i'm

[2:40:27] Voice 14: still working on this one sorry

[2:40:29] Voice 13: oh are you on five does five not

[2:40:32] Voice 13: is something standing out to you she she

[2:40:36] Voice 3: made the change okay

[2:40:39] Voice 13: okay

[2:40:41] Voice 3: thank

[2:40:43] Voice 13: you uh seven

[2:40:46] Voice 7: that draft directive policy 3.4.3 be amended to read impacts of development consider the impacts

[2:40:57] Voice 7: of development on ecosystem services provided by the natural environment and aesthetic,

[2:41:03] Voice 7: environmental, and social impacts.

[2:41:06] Voice 14: I believe we need to remove this.

[2:41:09] Voice 7: Okay. So number seven,

[2:41:14] Voice 7: that draft directive policy 3.4.3 be amended to read the impacts of development on ecosystem

[2:41:21] Voice 7: services provided by the natural environment and aesthetic, environmental, and social impacts.

[2:41:27] Voice 7: um is it just me or does that end aesthetic

[2:41:36] Voice 13: and then social

[2:41:37] Voice 13: uh 3.4 maybe

[2:41:41] Voice 7: the uh impacts

[2:41:43] Voice 7: of development on ecosystem services okay

[2:41:47] Voice 8: yeah

[2:41:49] Voice 13: let's be focused on protection ecosystem services

[2:41:51] Voice 13: in a natural environment should

[2:41:53] Voice 7: we say including aesthetic environmental and social impacts

[2:41:59] Voice 7: instead of and or is trisha smith yeah thank you chair sorry oh

[2:42:06] Trustee Smith (probable): you're muted darling sorry i'm

[2:42:10] Trustee Smith (probable): just looking at the original it should say consider at the beginning consider the impacts

[2:42:16] Trustee Smith (probable): and so consider yeah the impacts on ecosystem services provided by the natural environment

[2:42:26] Trustee Smith (probable): mama aesthetic environmental and show and social impacts development once

[2:42:38] Voice 14: again of

[2:42:41] Trustee Smith (probable): development yeah okay

[2:42:50] Voice 7: thank you trustee Smith and you

[2:42:52] Voice 6: manager Tyrell I

[2:42:55] Voice 7: just just for I'll just read it out just for clarity if that's okay seven that

[2:43:02] Voice 7: draft policy directed so that draft directed policy three point four point

[2:43:06] Voice 7: 3 be amended to read consider the impacts on ecosystem services provided by the natural

[2:43:12] Voice 7: environment aesthetic environmental and social impacts of development and

[2:43:22] Voice 13: then we've come to

[2:43:22] Voice 13: the end of the list okay

[2:43:28] Voice 2: well

[2:43:29] Voice 13: done thank you all right board i'm looking for a seconder

[2:43:34] Voice 13: i see trustee smith's hands up you're seconding okay thank you uh any discussion

[2:43:48] Voice 13: Seeing none, I shall call the vote. All in favour? And that is unanimous. Motion carried.

[2:44:05] Voice 13: Manager Turo, your hands up. I'm sorry I didn't notice until right now. Maybe I had something pertinent to our decision making there.

[2:44:13] Voice 14: No, actually I apologize. That was left up.

[2:44:18] Voice 14: No apologies necessary. Thank you.

[2:44:20] Voice 14: I would like to mention one thing to the board to consider a comment to the Islands Trust on the positive aspects of the policy statement, if I may.

[2:44:39] Voice 13: Thank you. I would agree. I think that the list can sound a little bit negative.

[2:44:48] Voice 13: Are there things that we, that stick out in our minds that are positive, real strengths in the policy statement? For me personally, it's the strong language used around reconciliation. I really appreciate that tone.

[2:45:07] Voice 13: Trying to find my notes here. I had a whole spiel. Any questions from the board on that? And then maybe we can move on. Oh, I see us chat in a hand. Sorry.

[2:45:32] Voice 13: sorry.

[2:45:34] Trustee Smith (probable): Trustee Smith, thank you. I think in what she's saying is that we should also recognize the

[2:45:42] Trustee Smith (probable): tremendous amount of work that has gone into the development of this policy statement to date.

[2:45:50] Voice 3: Absolutely. Trustee Elliott? I could put forward a motion. This is something I put in the chat,

[2:45:57] Voice 3: and I will send it to Wendy and Jill, just in case the board wants to support it. So

[2:46:04] Voice 3: So the Gabriela LTC did want to make a statement about its support for the Trust Council's reconciliation commitments and working towards collaborative governance with Indigenous governing bodies.

[2:46:17] Voice 3: And so, Wendy, I did just email that it would be something like, that the Islands Trust Conservancy Board considers that policies and principles relating to Trust Council's reconciliation commitments and working towards collaborative governance with Indigenous governing bodies, guiding principles 2.11, 2.12, reconciliation principles and cooperation principle 2.33,

[2:46:42] Voice 3: three well with an island's trust jurisdiction and the interests of trust council or we could

[2:46:48] Voice 3: say the island's trust conservancy board to advance um that would be sort of a statement

[2:46:54] Voice 3: of support that um we could make if uh folks think what

[2:47:01] Voice 13: do you say board what's on how's it look

[2:47:05] Voice 13: it looks great to me any other comments then i'd be looking for a mover if somebody cares

[2:47:17] Voice 13: thank you

[2:47:20] Trustee Smith (probable): for making that change joe yeah well i i actually really do appreciate all the

[2:47:26] Trustee Smith (probable): work on incorporating indigenous reconciliation principles etc what i'm not comfortable with is

[2:47:35] Trustee Smith (probable): that we have like we have no idea what the various indigenous governance bodies think of this

[2:47:45] Trustee Smith (probable): And so I'm just, you know, I may like it, but they may not.

[2:47:50] Trustee Smith (probable): And I'm just, I don't know, I want to say that we're appreciative

[2:47:57] Trustee Smith (probable): of the work that's gone into incorporating that,

[2:48:00] Trustee Smith (probable): but I don't want to be quite this specific because I just don't know.

[2:48:07] Trustee Smith (probable): I need to know what the Indigenous governors' bodies think about this.

[2:48:11] Trustee Smith (probable): It's not ITC.

[2:48:13] Trustee Smith (probable): So I just want to reflect that we're appreciative of adding this and recognize the importance of it, but I don't want to go into what it is about we like, because we're not the ones. You know what I mean?

[2:48:30] Trustee Smith (probable): Thank you.

[2:48:34] Voice 13: Trustee Smith? Sorry,

[2:48:36] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott, go ahead.

[2:48:36] Voice 3: So there is a record of what we've heard from Indigenous governing bodies. There was a period of about six months of early engagement before this period of community engagement. And I think there's fairly strong support for this document.

[2:48:56] Voice 3: I think First Nations would like to see stronger language around, you know, actually providing the tools for co-governance, which is not, you know, that's the province that needs to amend the legislation.

[2:49:10] Voice 3: legislation so this is sort of what the limit of what we can do as as a body um but i am comfortable

[2:49:18] Voice 3: that we've heard quite strongly on on two rounds of previous engagement and those the the comments

[2:49:26] Voice 3: of first nations are captured in in the folder that's online on the project website if folks

[2:49:32] Voice 3: want to take a look i've read through most of them i

[2:49:36] Voice 13: would i would agree um by sure and i've

[2:49:39] Voice 13: comments?

[2:49:42] Voice 7: No further comments from me. Thank you.

[2:49:45] Voice 13: Thank you. And I think we'd be looking for a

[2:49:52] Voice 13: let's do a straw poll actually on this. If you're in favor, we're feeling like we're in favor of

[2:49:59] Voice 13: pursuing this amendment or this reflection to trust counsel. Raise your hand. Sorry,

[2:50:15] Voice 13: I'm trying to raise my hand. Okay. So then maybe somebody can make the motion.

[2:50:21] Voice 13: uh

[2:50:26] Voice 7: i can make the motion thank

[2:50:28] Voice 6: you i

[2:50:30] Voice 7: make the motion that the islands trust conservancy

[2:50:32] Voice 7: considers that policies and principles relating to trust council's reconciliation commitments

[2:50:39] Voice 7: and working towards collaborative governance with indigenous governing bodies

[2:50:43] Voice 7: with the guiding principles 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 reconciliation principles and cooperation

[2:50:51] Voice 7: Operation Principle 2.3.3 are well within the Islands Trust mandate, jurisdiction, and interests

[2:50:57] Voice 7: of Trust Council to advance.

[2:51:01] Voice 3: Thank you. I'm looking for a seconder. Before we second, Chair,

[2:51:07] Voice 3: do we want to say the interests of the Islands Trust Conservancy to advance? Because I think

[2:51:14] Voice 3: we want to speak for the Conservancy's interests. Oh, yes. I

[2:51:21] Voice 13: hear you. Yeah.

[2:51:22] Voice 13: Yeah. Instead of trust council to advance, I'll trust conservancy to advance. That's a good

[2:51:30] Voice 13: amendment, I think. Thank you. And I would be happy to second it when you're ready.

[2:51:35] Voice 13: Great. I am ready. A motion is second. Any further discussion? Then I shall call the vote. All in

[2:51:42] Voice 13: favor, raise your hand. Hey, unanimous. Well done, everyone. Great. Yay. Awesome. I like that. I like

[2:51:55] Voice 13: the unanimous votes um excellent i see manager turrell's hands up you know we have one more

[2:52:01] Voice 13: piece of business before we head out today manager turrell over to you apologies we're good nothing

[2:52:08] Voice 13: okay um trustee smith oh sorry no then we'll move on to where's my agenda all right uh is there

[2:52:20] Voice 13: anything else you need from us manager turrell on that no thank you for raising that i had that

[2:52:25] Voice 13: of my notes i thought that was a great idea sending something positive as well um all right

[2:52:31] Voice 13: so we're moving on to correspondence and there is none uh item seven public comments delegations we

[2:52:37] Voice 13: have nobody from the public here i believe and then we move on to new business i sent a um

[2:52:46] Voice 13: an email to jill with the motion i think the motion explains it pretty clearly i was wondering

[2:52:53] Voice 13: if the board would grant me the pleasure to create a letter to send a trust council to speak

[2:52:59] Voice 13: in favor of continuing on with the registered biologists. Woodruff, I think would be a great

[2:53:08] Voice 13: addition to our next session of planning. And there is a motion.

[2:53:15] Voice 13: Hi.

[2:53:25] Voice 13: Everyone can see it? Excellent. Thank you. I'll just read it out. I move the Allen's Trust

[2:53:36] Voice 13: trust conservancy board direct chair to send a letter to trust council expressing support for

[2:53:41] Voice 13: the funding of a full-time registered professional biologist position in the 2026-27 budget open up

[2:53:49] Voice 13: to the board what do you think trustee smith you

[2:53:58] Trustee Smith (probable): should just remove i move that up and it's the

[2:54:01] Trustee Smith (probable): motion is the island's trust conservancy board directing thank you the island's trust conservancy

[2:54:07] Trustee Smith (probable): board directs yeah uh manager true um

[2:54:12] Voice 14: i'm going to if i may change this to requests

[2:54:17] Voice 14: and um i i would recommend adding um who what department the registered professional

[2:54:25] Voice 14: biologist position um pardon me i'm not sure if that's um director yeah

[2:54:33] Voice 13: is that the right term

[2:54:35] Voice 13: i didn't have a lot of time to look at it this morning

[2:54:37] Voice 14: yeah i just would like clarity from

[2:54:39] Voice 14: Director Frater, if we should be more clear on who, you know, what department or the planning

[2:54:44] Voice 14: services registered professional biologist position?

[2:54:48] Voice 12: I think everyone will know what that

[2:54:50] Voice 12: is in reference to. I can pull up the business case, if you like, and give you the exact title

[2:54:55] Voice 12: of the business case. Thank you.

[2:55:03] Voice 3: While we're doing that, Trustee Elliott? I support the motion. I don't

[2:55:08] Voice 3: think it's important that professional biologists was supporting both the conservancy and planning

[2:55:14] Voice 3: services um so it's yeah i don't know if it's important to reference thanks i agree i am not

[2:55:22] Voice 12: easily finding it in this moment so i think that i think it's clear enough i think they will know

[2:55:28] Voice 12: everyone

[2:55:28] Voice 13: all right then i will make the motion uh i move that the ellen's trust conservancy board

[2:55:35] Voice 13: requests the chair to send a letter to trust council expressing support for the funding of

[2:55:41] Voice 13: a full-time registered professional biologist position in the 2026-27 budget. I'll be looking

[2:55:48] Voice 13: for a seconder. And I see Vice Chair Namcom. Any discussion? Seeing none, I shall call the vote.

[2:55:57] Voice 13: All in favor? Raise your hand. Fantastic. The unanimous. Good job, guys. Thank you very much.

[2:56:08] Voice 13: And with that brings us to our next meeting, which is March 17th,

[2:56:12] Voice 13: uh 2026 and with that i declare us adjourned thank

[2:56:20] Voice 3: you chair thanks everyone thank you very

[2:56:23] Voice 7: much i

[2:56:24] Voice 3: can't sustain longer thank

[2:56:27] Voice 7: you staff thank you so much

[2:56:28] Voice 3: we did it amazing

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January 30, 2026 ADOPTED Page 1 of 5 
 
Islands Trust Conservancy Board 
Minutes of a Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Time:  
Location:  
Friday, January 30, 2026 
10:30 am 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Board Members Present Lisa Gauvreau, Chair   
 Tanner Timothy | nənqəm, Vice Chair  
 Tobi Elliott, Trustee  
 Jeannine Georgeson, Trustee  
 Risa Smith, Trustee  
   
Regrets Susan Yates, Trustee  
   
Staff Present Wendy Tyrrell, Manager, Islands Trust Conservancy  
 Clare Frater, Director, Trust Area Services  
 Jill Allan, Acting Administrative Assistant, Recorder  
 Joe Elliott, Senior Indigenous Relations Advisor   
 Jason Youmans, Senior Policy Advisor   
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
The meeting was called to order at 10:30 a.m. 
2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
Chair Gauvreau acknowledged that the meeting was being held in traditional territories of 
the Coast Salish First Nations and initiated introductions. 
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
3.1 Introduction of New Items 
3.2 Approval of Agenda 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
4. RISE AND REPORT DECISIONS   
None 
5. ADOPTION OF MINUTES 
None 
6. BUSINESS 
6.1 Items for Approval 
6.1.1 Islands Trust Policy Statement (Bylaw No. TC 183) Request For Decision  

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 Manager Tyrrell presented the Request for Decision. Discussion ensued: 
• Discussion and editing of response recommendations from staff; 
• Scope of the ITC Board’s area of interest to comment on, what lens 
to consider from; 
• Islands Trust Conservancy as an arm of the Islands Trust responsible 
for commenting in relations to its responsibilities for acquiring, 
managing and disposing of lands and properties, according to the 
Islands Trust Act and those items impacting the conservation of 
biodiversity; and 
• Acknowledging Trust Council and staff for all the work put into the 
draft Policy Statement. 
 
ITC-2026-011 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy Board indicate to the Islands Trust Council that 
it recommends approval of Islands Trust Council Draft Bylaw 183, Islands Trust 
Policy Statement with the following recommendations to consider: 
 
1. That Part 1: Islands Trust Act (page 4) include the following paragraph: 
“The Islands Trust Conservancy was established by the British   Columbia 
provincial government in 1990 as a regional land trust and the conservation arm 
of the Islands Trust. The work of the Islands Trust Conservancy Board is guided 
by the Islands Trust Conservancy Five-year Plan, which is approved by the 
Minister of Municipal Housing and Affairs under Section 44 of the Islands Trust 
Act.” 
2. That section 2.3.1 - Cooperation Principles (page 10) be revised as suggested: 
“To collaborate closely with the Islands Trust Conservancy Board, and be 
informed by, local Indigenous knowledge, science-based conservation 
planning, ecosystem mapping, identification of core conservation areas, 
protected area networks, and protection of species and ecosystems at risk, 
including critical habitat.” 
3. That terms and phrases be clarified relating to the concepts of biology, ecology, 
climate change, habitat restoration, habitat fragmentation, environment and 
sustainable communities looking to definitions used in BC statutes and 
regulations as examples (e.g., Environmental Management Act, Water 
Sustainability Act, etc.):  these Acts include statutory definitions for 
environmental terms. 
CARRIED 
 
ITC-2026-012 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy Board indicate to the Islands Trust Council that 
it recommends approval of Islands Trust Council Draft Bylaw 183, Islands Trust 
Policy Statement with the following additional recommendations to consider: 
1. A new General Guiding Principle on climate change adaptation and mitigation 
should be added.     

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2. That wording in Goal 3 should include the health of natural ecosystems as a 
high priority. 
3. The importance of protecting a minimum of 30% of the land and water in the 
Trust Area should appear in an appropriate section in the Policy Statement.  
4. That Directive Policy 3.4.1 Sustainable Development include consideration of 
the ecological integrity of each island and the ability of the natural ecosystems 
to support particular developments. 
5. Consider adding a new section, such as a commitment of Trust Council, which 
includes long-standing advocacy positions such as:  no fixed links between 
Vancouver Island and the islands in the Trust Area (i.e. a no bridge policy), the 
elimination of clear-cut logging of old growth forests, opposition to large vessel 
anchorages in the Salish Seas and stronger tools for the protection of 
biodiversity. 
6. That Advisory Policy 3.5.6 on Freshwater Use be made a Directive Policy. 
7. That Directive Policy 3.4.3 Impacts of Development be amended to read:  
Consider the impacts on ecosystem services provided by the natural 
environment, aesthetic, environmental, and social impacts of development. 
CARRIED 
 
ITC-2026-013 
It is MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy considers that policies and principles relating to 
Trust Council's reconciliation commitments and working towards collaborative 
governance with Indigenous Governing Bodies [Guiding Principles 2.1.1, 2.1.2, 
Reconciliation Principles, and Cooperation Principle 2.3.3] are well within the 
Islands Trust’s mandate, jurisdiction and the interest of Islands Trust Conservancy 
to advance.  
CARRIED 
 
6.1.2 Islands Trust Conservancy's 2026-27 Budget Review Request - FPC  
Manager Tyrrell presented the Budget Review Request briefing from the 
Financial Planning Committee (FPC). Discussion ensued: 
• Discussion on staff-recommended cuts; 
• Concerns about delaying the proposed part-time permanent 
Indigenous Relations Advisor position just when Five-year Plan 
engagement is getting underway;  
• Implications of using the Property Management Fund to offset 
taxation; and  
• Any cut to the budget would have implications and will affect the 
Conservancy’s work. 
 
ITC-2026-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC) Board request staff to reduce ITC’s 2026-
27 Proposed Budget by: 

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a.  Delaying the start date of the proposed Indigenous Relations Advisor 
position from June 1, 2026 to October 1, 2026 providing an approximate 
reduction to the budget of $32, 661. 
DEFEATED 
 
ITC-2026-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC) Board request staff to reduce ITC’s 2026-
27   Proposed Budget by:  
b.  Reducing in-person ITC Board meetings from two to one, providing an 
approximate reduction to the budget of $2,200. 
CARRIED 
 
ITC-2026-016 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC) Board request staff to reduce ITC’s 2026-
27   Proposed Budget by  
c.  Reducing the Professional Services budget line (56100-210) by 
approximately $3,000. 
CARRIED 
 
ITC-2026-017 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC) Board request staff to reduce ITC’s 2026-
27 Proposed Budget by: 
d.  Allocating 12% of ITC’s Property Management Fund to offset the 
Protected Areas Management Operations budget line (61300-210) by 
$21,347.83. 
CARRIED 
 
ITC-2026-018 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy Board approve the revised proposed 2026/27 
ITC Budget as amended and direct staff to provide it to the Director of 
Administrative Services and the Director of Trust Area Services for inclusion in the 
Islands Trust draft 2026/27 budget. 
CARRIED 
6.2 Correspondence 
None 
7. PUBLIC COMMENTS AND DELGATIONS 
8. NEW BUSINESS 
Chair Lisa Gauvreau added a new item: To have the Islands Trust Conservancy send a letter 
to Trust Council in support of funding for a Registered Biologist on staff. 
ITC-2026-019 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
That the Islands Trust Conservancy Board requests the Chair to send a letter to Trust 

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Council expressing support for the funding of a full-time Registered Professional 
Biologist position in the 2026/2027 budget. 
CARRIED 
9. NEXT MEETING 
The next meeting is scheduled for March 17, 2026. 
10. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting adjourned at 1:26 p.m. 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
Lisa Gauvreau, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Wendy Tyrrell/Manager, Islands Trust Conservancy