Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, June 29, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 13: thank you machines for talking to us um welcome everyone and thank you for being in attendance

[0:00:06] Voice 13: for the regular business meeting of the main island local trust committee uh for june 29th 2026

[0:00:13] Voice 13: i am your chair uh my name is toby elliott elected on gabriela island and i'm the chair of the local

[0:00:21] Voice 13: trust committee here joined by your two local trustees uh david vaughn and janine duns

[0:00:26] Voice 5: and

[0:00:26] Voice 13: joining us today as Island Planner we've got Bruce Filcher, hello, and staff online supporting

[0:00:35] Voice 13: in the back we've got our minute taker, hello Lisa Muller, and Regional Planning Manager

[0:00:40] Voice 13: Mary Storzer who will help keep us on track if we tend to deviate from anything. So before we begin

[0:00:48] Voice 13: or adopt the agenda I'd like to acknowledge that we are meeting in the unceded ancestral

[0:00:53] Voice 13: ancestral territories of the Sainthich peoples and the Sinchon speaking peoples who have

[0:00:59] Voice 13: been stewarding these lands and waters since time immemorial.

[0:01:04] Voice 12: And so

[0:01:05] Voice 13: we want to do our work in, you know, with the understanding and the respect for

[0:01:13] Voice 13: the generations of stewardship that have created, essentially worked with nature to create these

[0:01:20] Voice 13: beautiful islands that we live in today.

[0:01:22] Voice 13: name. So introductions aside, we have an agenda before us. Are

[0:01:28] Voice 13: there any additions or changes to the agenda? Okay, we'll take

[0:01:36] Voice 13: it by general consent that the agenda be approved. And just

[0:01:40] Voice 13: noting for the public, that there's only one public

[0:01:44] Voice 13: participation period today. So that will it's coming next. I

[0:01:52] Voice 13: have had two public participation periods when folks get to give their opinions after decisions

[0:01:58] Voice 13: have been made um but just for coherence and actually it's kind of correct for meeting

[0:02:05] Voice 13: procedures that only one um is one period is held and we want to hold that before we make any

[0:02:12] Voice 13: decisions so that we give ample time for the public to share your views um and so that is

[0:02:18] Voice 13: the time for that is now. I will just read a little bit of our medium decorum expectations.

[0:02:26] Voice 13: We absolutely value your participation and you coming here today is a strong signal that you're

[0:02:33] Voice 13: invested in local government. We want to make sure that we hear and we respond through the agenda to

[0:02:41] Voice 13: your views. However, we want to make sure that you're expressing your views in a way that's safe,

[0:02:46] Voice 13: inclusive culturally respectful and free from racism and discrimination so just a

[0:02:54] Voice 13: few guidelines to ensure constructive and respectful engagement we ask that

[0:02:59] Voice 13: you focus your comments on the issue not individuals we ask that you allow others

[0:03:07] Voice 13: to speak without interruption or talking back and forth to each other speak to us

[0:03:11] Voice 13: the local trust committee your tone and language we ask remain courteous and not abusive and no

[0:03:19] Voice 13: clapping booing or cheering and that is simply so that there's an equitable space everyone can

[0:03:24] Voice 13: express their views without fear of gaining everyone's approval or being subject to

[0:03:33] Voice 13: disapproval right so thank you for helping us keep a safe and productive environment

[0:03:38] Voice 13: environment for all to speak to. So by show of hands, how many would like to speak and address

[0:03:46] Voice 13: the local trust committee today about an item on the agenda today? One, two, three, four, five,

[0:03:52] Voice 13: six-ish. And just so you know, if you're an applicant here, you'll have a chance to speak

[0:03:57] Voice 13: to your application when we consider that. So you don't have to use the public participation time.

[0:04:05] Voice 13: so we'll start with this um yeah is

[0:04:08] Voice 12: there a chance that this this topic could be held

[0:04:11] Voice 12: in the

[0:04:12] Voice 11: evening when more people can attend um i'll respond we have staff and we have a chair

[0:04:18] Voice 11: who comes from gabriela so she'd have to stay overnight um you know we meet basically once

[0:04:23] Voice 11: a month our staff member of course comes from victoria um this conversation has gone on over

[0:04:30] Voice 11: the year's numerous times um we've had evening meetings daytime meetings a whole variety i've

[0:04:37] Voice 11: never found it depends on the topic we've had meetings like this where we had nobody come

[0:04:43] Voice 11: so the simple answer is the costs are prohibited extremely over time chair people who come from

[0:04:50] Voice 11: other islands to chair our meetings um we have ample opportunity for input on any topic at any

[0:04:57] Voice 11: time, phone the trustee, email. I don't

[0:05:02] Voice 11: think anybody, whether it's coming here at night

[0:05:04] Voice 11: or coming here during the day, the APC meetings are usually at night. And if it's, you know,

[0:05:10] Voice 11: we have had lots of agency meetings in the past. We didn't on this, there's nothing on

[0:05:15] Voice 11: this agenda that went to the advisory planning commission, but that is another way that we

[0:05:20] Voice 11: have enabled and sometimes get turned out for those meetings. So that really is, it's

[0:05:26] Voice 11: a complication we're not all just right here on me so they expect our folks that travel in to be

[0:05:31] Voice 11: here and actually expect to get a really good audience just because it's a nice i think variant

[0:05:38] Voice 11: that's why thank

[0:05:41] Voice 13: you thank you so comments questions um let's start at the right of the

[0:05:47] Voice 13: room and if you could please state your name uh for the records and the subject that you'd like

[0:05:53] Voice 13: Patricia McKay, I'm concerned about water. And we have a

[0:06:01] Voice 13: situation on our point. There's an Airbnb. They're doing laundry

[0:06:08] Voice 13: every second or third day, two or three or four people there.

[0:06:12] Voice 13: And we're all on the same aquifer. I

[0:06:15] Voice 13: don't know what we

[0:06:22] Voice 13: can do about it personally. We're all being very, very

[0:06:25] Voice 13: character with our water machine that's long we're going out two three times a week on the laundry

[0:06:31] Voice 13: line i'm not sure what you can do about it either uh i think there's a number of us here

[0:06:41] Voice 13: four of us here from that from doro we're very concerned because our water table is going down

[0:06:49] Voice 13: so just an application that's in that the person does not live there it's just a pretty

[0:06:55] Voice 13: sunny building i'm just trying to understand if that concern is over an existing airbnb

[0:07:01] Voice 13: that we have authority to regulate or is it i don't think so i don't know it's a bnb that is

[0:07:08] Voice 13: operating as a home occupation no there's no

[0:07:11] Voice 12: home there other than the place

[0:07:13] Voice 11: where people are staying

[0:07:14] Voice 13: so

[0:07:14] Voice 11: if she

[0:07:16] Voice 11: lives in sunnage so if the person is not living in their house they cannot operate

[0:07:22] Voice 11: of bed and breakfast. Airbnb is a website. Oh,

[0:07:25] Voice 7: sorry. That's okay. I just

[0:07:27] Voice 11: want to clarify this.

[0:07:27] Voice 11: So bed and breakfast are outright permitted use, but with the understanding that there is someone

[0:07:33] Voice 11: living in the house to operate a bed and breakfast. There's nobody living in the house.

[0:07:37] Voice 13: So if they're

[0:07:37] Voice 11: renting this out as a short-term vacation rental and they're

[0:07:40] Voice 11: advertising, then you need to make a

[0:07:43] Voice 11: bylaw complaint to our bylaw office with the address, and then they will investigate. Because

[0:07:48] Voice 11: Because often what you'll discover is these summer cottages can be friends, family, other folks.

[0:07:55] Voice 11: But if they're operating this as a commercial, short-term vacation rental business, that's not good.

[0:08:01] Voice 11: Because we don't have any curtains up.

[0:08:04] Voice 11: So if it's a bed and breakfast, and we've had these complaints before,

[0:08:09] Voice 11: where people, and they're investigated, and sometimes they can prove that they are there,

[0:08:13] Voice 11: but they can't, they have to cease.

[0:08:15] Voice 11: So that's the fastest way to get action.

[0:08:17] Voice 11: and you can

[0:08:18] Voice 11: go to the website and email us we can direct you to it but but you're right I mean water

[0:08:23] Voice 11: is a big problem

[0:08:24] Voice 13: thank you for that okay okay can I just

[0:08:30] Voice 13: follow up on that please so so we're asking

[0:08:33] Voice 13: for your comments we don't want to have talking back and forth just give your comments on an item

[0:08:39] Voice 13: of concern yes please go ahead.

[0:08:41] Voice 13: Following on from Kat's concern so I went on to the government

[0:08:47] Voice 13: website in the weekend and it actually says that the provincial principal resident exemption

[0:08:53] Voice 13: exemption electoral areas I didn't trust including the gold island and main island are excluded from

[0:09:00] Voice 13: this province-wide mandate you do not need to prove that property is your permanent primary

[0:09:05] Voice 13: re-residents to rent it out but you must still follow the provincial short-term rental legislation

[0:09:11] Voice 13: requirements the local trust committee has not moved it into the provincial legislation okay

[0:09:19] Voice 13: perfect thank you is that

[0:09:22] Voice 11: yeah okay double checking our rules our rules are pretty solid yeah

[0:09:28] Voice 13: Yeah. Okay,

[0:09:30] Voice 13: so continuing along, anyone?

[0:09:32] Voice 13: I was just here for the meeting about the online discussion about the renewal of the

[0:09:38] Voice 13: permit for the persons who are

[0:09:40] Voice 12: allowed to renew the permit to operate six months, and

[0:09:45] Voice 7: I

[0:09:46] Voice 12: think it's a settlement, which are three and a half, and they're not

[0:09:49] Voice 11: living on the

[0:09:50] Voice 11: property.

[0:09:52] Voice 13: I feel that, so I don't know, I'm just going to say,

[0:09:59] Voice 13: basically, that I feel that ownership should not be a punishment.

[0:10:03] Voice 13: And if the people are abiding by the rules and are allowed to

[0:10:08] Voice 13: and are reapplying for this permit,

[0:10:12] Voice 13: there's going to be a lot of people that like it and don't like it.

[0:10:15] Voice 13: But I see that they have not even been successful

[0:10:19] Voice 13: about people wanting them to even rent it as a long-term operation.

[0:10:25] Voice 13: But I feel that it shouldn't be a shame to own your own property and be able to make some kind of income off it, which I may have to do in the future as I get older and have to be with other ones off-island and feel that if I had me and other people get the opportunity to be able to rent with the regulations,

[0:10:54] Voice 13: in our own home

[0:10:56] Voice 13: to the specific standards

[0:10:57] Voice 13: and to get permit to be

[0:11:00] Voice 13: allowed to do that

[0:11:02] Voice 13: and I don't think

[0:11:03] Voice 13: also adding

[0:11:06] Voice 13: to that approval

[0:11:08] Voice 13: that I feel for lots of reasons

[0:11:12] Voice 13: but there are

[0:11:14] Voice 13: there is one

[0:11:15] Voice 13: place that we can rent

[0:11:17] Voice 13: in the area on Arbutus

[0:11:20] Voice 13: Drive

[0:11:20] Voice 13: um i'm i don't really

[0:11:24] Voice 11: know about one resort i'm not making names because we're not supposed to

[0:11:28] Voice 11: but um i

[0:11:31] Voice 13: find when i read it i did the just you know read why they want it not to be permitted

[0:11:38] Voice 13: what it seemed to me it was directing towards the rental of other rentals meaning hotel rentals or

[0:11:47] Voice 13: So business rentals saying

[0:11:49] Voice 11: basically if they're doing these permits for this particular resident that's had it already,

[0:11:56] Voice 13: it's interfering with the businesses, people renting from those other places, which is only one,

[0:12:05] Voice 13: which is kind of unfair because they're not offering the same things as the other person,

[0:12:12] Voice 13: even though they're a hotel and competition is important and valued.

[0:12:17] Voice 13: and so is free enterprise if you own your own property if you're doing the regulations right

[0:12:22] Voice 13: i watch people on this island that live here full-time ma'am

[0:12:26] Voice 13: if you could stick with um items

[0:12:28] Voice 13: that are on this agenda

[0:12:29] Voice 12: just bring me in this

[0:12:30] Voice 13: is great hearing your perspective well that's why i'm

[0:12:33] Voice 13: here is i approve

[0:12:34] Voice 12: that those people get their permit again and as long as they're compliant

[0:12:43] Voice 12: there's nothing wrong with the owner bent thank

[0:12:47] Voice 13: you okay

[0:12:48] Voice 12: absolutely

[0:12:49] Voice 13: yeah no no that's

[0:12:51] Voice 13: so i really appreciate your inputs yeah um and

[0:12:55] Voice 12: yeah about the top i'll refer to these

[0:12:57] Voice 12: kind of folks over here worried about water as well the temporary use permit that's being

[0:13:02] Voice 12: applied for today uh we are the neighbors and we did um you've received opposition letters from us

[0:13:09] Voice 12: are the immediate neighbors sorry

[0:13:11] Voice 13: if you could state your name sorry

[0:13:12] Voice 12: i'm nicola phillier okay

[0:13:13] Voice 12: i live next door to the costello house okay that's uh applying um so the petition was from

[0:13:20] Voice 12: immediate neighbors close neighbors in the greater benefit community of which 30 or more

[0:13:25] Voice 12: were in close proximity to it they were all opposed we've lived next to it for five years

[0:13:31] Voice 12: and here's what we've experienced fire hazards owners and renters have had fires through total

[0:13:38] Voice 12: fire vans. Water usage. Last August, when conservation was at its highest, they reached

[0:13:44] Voice 12: over 9,500 meters of water, more than double what it was before it was a tub. Noise, including music,

[0:13:52] Voice 12: loud voices, and incessant dog barking. Parking issues. The designated spots on the property are

[0:13:59] Voice 12: not used consistently. Increased traffic on our units. Late arrivals of guests. Noise, lights,

[0:14:07] Voice 12: very early departures, banging car doors, trunks and loud voices. Ongoing and increased turnover

[0:14:14] Voice 12: of up to eight people on weekends is what is allowed on that permit. Very unfamiliar to

[0:14:20] Voice 12: everyone, all of the people. Garbage left behind on the front lawn and a loss of privacy and

[0:14:27] Voice 12: enjoyment of all of our properties from those people that spoke. No one's monitoring it,

[0:14:32] Voice 12: instead the burden of enforcement is on the neighbors to call but the good people in Bennett

[0:14:37] Voice 12: Bay and they are amazing neighbors were being too kind and too neighborly so they didn't report

[0:14:43] Voice 12: bylaw infractions because the permit had a finite and ending date that it said in the first notice

[0:14:49] Voice 12: that it would cease and desist just because there's no official bylaws or any complaints

[0:14:54] Voice 12: doesn't mean it hasn't had a huge impact on everyone here the home occupation bylaws worked

[0:15:00] Voice 12: worked well for many years.

[0:15:02] Voice 12: This permit in Bennett Bay, this little experiment,

[0:15:04] Voice 12: it seems, has not had good results.

[0:15:07] Voice 12: The tough is for a temporary need,

[0:15:09] Voice 12: that they're seeking an ongoing commercial operation

[0:15:12] Voice 12: from non-resident investors,

[0:15:15] Voice 12: where there's little evidence of its purpose or use for the island

[0:15:20] Voice 12: and big evidence that there's negativity

[0:15:22] Voice 12: that affects the neighbours and existing businesses.

[0:15:25] Voice 12: The applicant may view the permit as financially beneficial,

[0:15:28] Voice 12: official, but neighboring property owners, many times full-time residents, have warned

[0:15:33] Voice 12: the ongoing impacts. Those impacts should be given equal consideration, and extending

[0:15:38] Voice 12: the permit would most likely guarantee more negative impacts for years to come. We're

[0:15:43] Voice 12: looking at a decade already. So if this is a new application, because I was told there

[0:15:49] Voice 12: was only one renewal, what temporary circumstance exists today that requires another temporary

[0:15:55] Voice 12: use permit what is the purpose and supporting rationale that's in the application that that

[0:16:01] Voice 12: is supporting it why are we looking at it again

[0:16:06] Voice 13: well

[0:16:08] Voice 12: that's a question i'm not allowed to ask a

[0:16:09] Voice 12: question we're

[0:16:10] Voice 13: we'll we'll save our discussion for consideration of the application

[0:16:13] Voice 12: so this is

[0:16:14] Voice 12: your input okay so i'll just finish then so financial hardship was the original rationale

[0:16:18] Voice 12: and these circumstances continue indefinitely as it is now they don't appear to be temporary

[0:16:25] Voice 12: in nature at all if the need for rental income still exists five years after the original permit

[0:16:31] Voice 12: is granted then the rationale suggests that it is an ongoing business model it's not a temporary

[0:16:36] Voice 12: land use and i'd like to know what evidence the applicant has provided that says it's it's going

[0:16:43] Voice 12: to be remaining temporary so that's what we just want to know how this is going to keep going and

[0:16:50] Voice 12: how it'll be continually approved thank

[0:16:53] Voice 13: you um other speakers just put up your hand yeah and if

[0:16:59] Voice 13: you can say your name please

[0:17:00] Voice 3: thanks i live next to the costello property two separate occasions

[0:17:08] Voice 3: midnight i've been up to be on fires moving the fire i looked out as he spoke coming out so

[0:17:14] Voice 3: i could have called the fire department put it out but on this island in the summer

[0:17:24] Voice 3: they don't like to follow the rules they they were here for a week they didn't have any problem

[0:17:31] Voice 3: we addressed them here uh

[0:17:42] Voice 13: laura color i'm actually involved in a similar situation actually my

[0:17:47] Voice 13: question is more of a counsel and like a trust and what mechanisms are in place to ensure that

[0:17:53] Voice 13: people are actually um you know there's you wrote in the mainliner state that many 90 days or

[0:18:02] Voice 13: whatever watching monitors because nobody seems to be and who monitors that the owners are actually

[0:18:09] Voice 13: living in the

[0:18:10] Voice 13: house next to us has preset lights that come on and the cars left on the driveway

[0:18:17] Voice 13: with but they're not um we can talk about compliance monitoring perhaps later but just

[0:18:26] Voice 13: the short answer is bylaw enforcement and compliance the arm of irons trust would investigate

[0:18:32] Voice 13: any complaints so if there is a complaint that the conditions of the temporary use permit are

[0:18:38] Voice 13: not being adhered to that would go to bylaw enforcement the local trust committee doesn't

[0:18:43] Voice 13: handle that road we did eventually go that room yeah um the files they closed the rentals are

[0:18:50] Voice 13: still happening well in that case the compliance in the case is that compliance is achieved because

[0:18:58] Voice 13: the conditions are being met the file would be closed the permit wouldn't be

[0:19:02] Voice 11: revoked and there

[0:19:03] Voice 11: wasn't sorry there was no permit and i'm aware of for dollar drive but if there was a complaint

[0:19:09] Voice 11: Bylaw clearly went and looked at the complaint.

[0:19:13] Voice 11: Basically, the reality is short-term vacation rentals, if you're not advertising, they can't

[0:19:19] Voice 11: find an ad, then it's not considered a commercial.

[0:19:22] Voice 11: That's always been my understanding.

[0:19:24] Voice 12: They are advertising.

[0:19:27] Voice 11: Okay, well then Bylaw, then you need to send the ads to Bylaw and ask them to go back and

[0:19:32] Voice 11: look again.

[0:19:33] Voice 11: And you can email the trustees.

[0:19:35] Voice 11: We're unaware.

[0:19:35] Voice 11: where when you make bylaw complete all we get is a generic we don't get any details about it but

[0:19:41] Voice 11: if somebody is actually advertising they're not it's not a forbidden thing okay okay so sorry i

[0:19:48] Voice 11: thought it was about email if you email us and then we can we can pass it on to my mom right

[0:19:53] Voice 11: now there's still a consensus because usually you get five follow-up run by no

[0:19:58] Voice 13: no thank you

[0:19:59] Voice 13: the

[0:19:59] Voice 11: entire population but it's not okay

[0:20:02] Voice 9: yeah i'm just just on on that topic it's i'm sorry

[0:20:07] Voice 9: lee's mcgee i'm going to leave this to resort um so there are it's very difficult um to monitor

[0:20:14] Voice 9: these things there are multiple platforms so there's not just airbnb there's a million of

[0:20:19] Voice 9: them and and there's also you know for the costello top i found them all over the place

[0:20:23] Voice 9: on craigslist so you know they were every everywhere and many of them you can't find

[0:20:28] Voice 9: when do you go to search different dates so to answer your question i just want to speak um we

[0:20:33] Voice 9: believe that this the most important thing here for this decision is based on the neighbors and

[0:20:39] Voice 9: how what it's been like for the neighbors you know we know that you know our little resort is not

[0:20:45] Voice 9: that the issue and it's not it's not going to be the reason you know how this decision is made so

[0:20:50] Voice 9: you know that is not you know we have issues with it we came to the island understanding you know

[0:20:56] Voice 9: the short-term vacation rental rules we thought they were wise frankly and very thoughtful and

[0:21:01] Voice 9: that they worked for us to run our our company right there's just a couple of things i want to

[0:21:07] Voice 9: dispel um around um commercial use um some of the some people think that we are at maximum capacity

[0:21:13] Voice 9: at this moment i can tell you right now there are six weeks of the year that we get close to maximum

[0:21:18] Voice 9: capacity overall we don't run more than 60 year round and most of that is done in the three months

[0:21:24] Voice 9: of the summer so um dispel that myth that's all i can say um and the other thing is you know the

[0:21:30] Voice 9: difference between us and what they're doing is we do not even out of respect for the island frankly

[0:21:36] Voice 9: we do not advertise on airbnb we do not advertise on booking.com we do not advertise on drbo we do

[0:21:42] Voice 9: not go on craigslist and our rationale is we want to vet every single guest who comes to our resort

[0:21:48] Voice 9: because we care about our neighbors we want to make sure we do the best we can and have 24 7 you

[0:21:55] Voice 9: know you know we're there if there's any complaint from the neighbor if there's any issue with a

[0:22:00] Voice 9: guest we're there all the time and so I just want to dispel their things because it really

[0:22:05] Voice 9: um we don't we're doing things to make sure this sort of crap doesn't happen and I think it's not

[0:22:11] Voice 9: fair that people are sitting in their backyard having to deal with you know abuse and garbage

[0:22:16] Voice 9: and all that kind of stuff. And I think it's gonna stop guys, like, we got it. We got to do better on this.

[0:22:22] Voice 9: Anyhow, sorry, that's all I've got to say.

[0:22:31] Voice 8: Hello. I'd like to state my position regarding the TUD.

[0:22:38] Voice 8: And your name?

[0:22:39] Voice 8: Deborah.

[0:22:40] Voice 8: Thanks.

[0:22:41] Voice 8: When the application was initially presented to the trustees in 2021,

[0:22:49] Voice 8: 2021, I would have expected it to be denied. I saw this precedent set and within a year

[0:22:56] Voice 8: there was a second TUP granted in May. I found the reasoning for requesting the TUP, the

[0:23:06] Voice 8: applicants needed additional income to allow them to purchase property from family was

[0:23:13] Voice 8: was unreasonable, not the responsibility of our community

[0:23:19] Voice 8: or our land use authority.

[0:23:21] Voice 8: We are now looking at a new application

[0:23:25] Voice 8: which raises numerous concerns,

[0:23:27] Voice 8: including the impact on our established

[0:23:29] Voice 8: tourist accommodations, both located

[0:23:33] Voice 8: on within a few hundred meters of the address.

[0:23:37] Voice 8: As a 19 year resident of Bennett Bay,

[0:23:40] Voice 8: I have seen the peaks and valleys

[0:23:42] Voice 8: that both of these established businesses experience

[0:23:48] Voice 8: on a week-to-week basis, month-to-month.

[0:23:53] Voice 8: And I felt like there was never a need to permit an STVR through a TUP.

[0:24:02] Voice 8: As previously stated, approving TUPs for STVRs

[0:24:08] Voice 8: will only set a precedent into the future.

[0:24:11] Voice 8: And it will only serve to undermine an already fragile long-term rental market.

[0:24:20] Voice 8: What Maine Island needs is a state stability in the long-term rental market.

[0:24:25] Voice 8: This is more apparent when professionals needed, like health care practitioners, are unable to find accommodations.

[0:24:35] Voice 8: Then there's a strain on our systems, particularly water, which we all know is a fragile resource.

[0:24:42] Voice 8: source. All land use decisions should take this into account, erring always on the side

[0:24:49] Voice 8: of caution. As a resident and owner of long-term rentals on Main Island, I am opposed to the

[0:24:57] Voice 8: approval of any temporary use permit for short-term vacation rental in our community. I do support

[0:25:03] Voice 8: those, though, who are operating under home occupation violence, where the owner actually

[0:25:11] Voice 8: actually lives on site. My recommendation is that the local trust committee reject me.

[0:25:19] Voice 8: I have copies for you.

[0:25:25] Voice 7: Sorry, if you have some time.

[0:25:33] Voice 13: We're not seeing any more hands up. I'll ask anyone else that wishes to address the local trust committee. Yes, please.

[0:25:39] Voice 13: My name is Erin Lee White, and I'm pretty new to the audience. I've only been here about four or five years.

[0:25:44] Voice 13: I just want to say that I go to

[0:25:45] Voice 12: Airbnb's all the time, so I really love that there's a variety of Airbnb's.

[0:25:49] Voice 12: and i think it's a good thing for the island i think it will help keep

[0:25:54] Voice 13: our restaurants open

[0:25:55] Voice 13: it will help keep our you know when people are coming and spending money on the island

[0:25:58] Voice 13: um i do think they need to follow the rules but having said that whether it's noise or fire or

[0:26:03] Voice 13: dogs barking or

[0:26:04] Voice 12: whatever you can have somebody living next door that has eight kids i've

[0:26:09] Voice 12: experienced that too where they have many kids that are out all night and they're partying all

[0:26:13] Voice 13: night or they're they're part-time people so it's not just guests that are causing those issues it's

[0:26:18] Voice 13: people in general, so as long as your by-laws are covering all of those infractions, whether it's,

[0:26:24] Voice 13: you know, boys or dogs or whatever, and they're being fined or whatever,

[0:26:31] Voice 13: then, you know, they're going to be more on top of their guests to be better, so

[0:26:35] Voice 13: I don't really know much about this one, and it's not in my neighborhood, so I, you know,

[0:26:40] Voice 13: can't comment about this one, but I kind of support there being bees on the island, I think it's

[0:26:44] Voice 13: really good for the economy and for the odds and brings people in and helps people as far as the

[0:26:50] Voice 13: long-term rentals i think it's that's you know it struggles that that person is renting that out

[0:26:56] Voice 13: 100 percent if someone's renting out the place on part-time to help as a income supplement that

[0:27:04] Voice 13: takes it off the market for long-term rental anyway so anyway i i kind of like airbnbs but

[0:27:09] Voice 13: i do think they should follow the rules and the bylaws regarding noise and fires and dogs and

[0:27:14] Voice 13: and garbage and all of those things to try and as

[0:27:17] Voice 11: long as those

[0:27:18] Voice 13: complaints are made on a regular

[0:27:20] Voice 13: basis um and they're fine appropriately you know they're going to be you know

[0:27:25] Voice 12: vetting their guests

[0:27:26] Voice 12: better or something you know so yeah thank

[0:27:30] Voice 7: you yes thanks

[0:27:34] Voice 3: uh mike please thanks for having been

[0:27:35] Voice 3: there today um one of the problems seems to be the virtual business you know residential area

[0:27:43] Voice 3: maybe the trust the island trust should look at also lot size i think that minimum of two

[0:27:49] Voice 3: acres that way there's a natural flow between properties just one suggestion based out of

[0:27:55] Voice 3: agreement thank you i

[0:27:59] Voice 13: think planner you could give us some advice if we had to amend the tup

[0:28:06] Voice 13: or sorry the land use bylaws to allow applications for short-term vacation rentals on only lots of a

[0:28:13] Voice 13: certain size there'd have to be a that'd have to be a project and a process to do that it's not

[0:28:20] Voice 13: something that could be done today but that could be considered for a future project perhaps yeah

[0:28:28] Voice 13: emerald how many times can a temporary use permit be applied for is it correct you can get once and

[0:28:38] Voice 13: then you get a renewal yeah i

[0:28:41] Trustee Maude: i can give an island's trust answer yeah um

[0:28:43] Trustee Maude: we we had an

[0:28:44] Trustee Maude: office in ganges um it had it was operated under it was a sublease from bc hydro it operated under

[0:28:52] Trustee Maude: a temporary use permit for 28 years and so it's this there's no finite is

[0:28:59] Voice 12: that a residential

[0:29:00] Voice 12: for an stvr we're talking about no

[0:29:02] Trustee Maude: but this was asking how how many times a tup can be renewed

[0:29:05] Trustee Maude: there's no limit so

[0:29:07] Voice 13: then should it should it not be just uh tweaked a bit so that i mean we're in

[0:29:12] Voice 13: a housing crisis here and i get the whole airbnb i was

[0:29:17] Voice 13: a super host so the question was

[0:29:19] Voice 13: but

[0:29:20] Voice 9: i think that ma'am sorry just

[0:29:22] Voice 13: can you pause we're not doing back and forth debate you asked

[0:29:25] Voice 9: a

[0:29:25] Voice 13: question and he answered the question so i'm just continuing my thought okay so but also to

[0:29:33] Voice 13: know that temporary use permits are to vary the use of a property so it's not just about

[0:29:39] Voice 13: short-term vacation rentals it is a property zone like a variance it is to vary the use and

[0:29:45] Voice 13: so that is in the local government act that is outside of our island stress jurisdiction

[0:29:50] Voice 13: it is a tool that local governments can employ that is structured through the local

[0:29:54] Voice 13: government act and we don't have control over that so a three-year permit is the max

[0:30:00] Voice 13: that it can be issued for, and then it is a renewable one where you have to make a new

[0:30:04] Voice 13: application of the standard.

[0:30:07] Voice 11: And just to follow up on that, as Mike said, it's possible within our jurisdiction, what

[0:30:14] Voice 11: we have power for, is we could create a policy that said we would only, we would restrict

[0:30:20] Voice 11: any kind of temporary or any kind of those.

[0:30:23] Voice 11: So that's another, you know, I made a note there, so that's something we could consider

[0:30:27] Voice 11: but but but we actually only have two tups and when we did those you know that was new to us

[0:30:35] Voice 11: so i don't know if we want to go further with any more we've never had another application so i think

[0:30:41] Voice 11: we're all sort of talking about around in circles here and i think that's something we can put on

[0:30:45] Voice 11: the agenda for next time that bigger question i just bigger question it's interesting to see how

[0:30:51] Voice 11: many people aren't happy with that well that's that's that's that specific issue no well like

[0:30:57] Voice 7: the neighbors who have to

[0:30:59] Voice 11: be dealing with that application sure when we get to it thank you

[0:31:04] Voice 11: do you have

[0:31:06] Voice 13: any more first-time speakers just before we go to second time speakers

[0:31:09] Voice 13: anybody else have any comments or questions or query their strengths

[0:31:16] Voice 13: okay second time question

[0:31:18] Voice 3: is the first time they have a permit they went around the neighbors we

[0:31:23] Voice 3: all gave a letter saying okay we'll do it temporarily so is this a new permit now

[0:31:29] Voice 3: you're applying for it they don't have to do the same thing come on assets if we agree

[0:31:34] Voice 3: because we don't

[0:31:35] Voice 13: because well a temporary use permit one of the purposes is to test the use

[0:31:39] Voice 13: so in essence the last five years have been testing the use the public has now

[0:31:44] Voice 13: opportunity to comment. You've sent in letters, there's a petition, you're making comments here, so there isn't really a need to make people go around the neighborhood. We're all here to give input into how that use

[0:32:01] Voice 13: worked out in the neighborhood. Thank you.

[0:32:06] Voice 13: Question. Yeah, okay. If there's no more comments, just holding the floor for one more minute.

[0:32:15] Voice 13: yeah

[0:32:16] Voice 4: um more of a process question if somebody is um applying for a new tub do they have to go

[0:32:24] Voice 4: through all of the all of the steps that they would have had had had to do for the first one

[0:32:29] Voice 4: yes

[0:32:30] Voice 10: it

[0:32:31] Voice 13: happened

[0:32:34] Voice 10: we did the notification process for the new permit so they received a two-year

[0:32:40] Voice 10: permit first time which would have been noticed which everyone would have been notified within

[0:32:44] Voice 10: other features they then got a renewal the renewal process doesn't require notification

[0:32:50] Voice 10: then they applied for a new permit which is what this is and there was no

[0:32:54] Voice 12: rationale given to us

[0:32:55] Voice 12: that was in any of the documents we've seen so far but

[0:32:58] Voice 13: the application is the rationale we don't have

[0:33:02] Voice 12: a copy but it's not online yeah

[0:33:03] Voice 13: we don't get to

[0:33:04] Voice 12: see her answers and put it with online the

[0:33:06] Voice 13: application is online there's no

[0:33:08] Voice 12: rationale for requesting a second one there's no supporting

[0:33:12] Voice 13: reporting evidence

[0:33:13] Voice 12: for rationale for asking for the touch okay

[0:33:16] Voice 13: let me just double check

[0:33:17] Voice 13: so

[0:33:20] Voice 7: it

[0:33:46] Voice 13: isn't the sorry uh just to clarify for the public the information with the rationale

[0:33:52] Voice 13: was submitted as attachment three in the in the application for the report on april 27th so you

[0:34:00] Voice 13: would have seen this before the april it

[0:34:03] Voice 12: only noted how the rental will operate it didn't tell

[0:34:05] Voice 12: why it was warranted or why the trust would be interested in addressing it again i think that's

[0:34:11] Voice 13: up to the applicant's discretion to share how much or why they wish to do that well the application

[0:34:16] Voice 12: says clearly it needs a purpose and it's some rationale but there has to be a reason you're

[0:34:21] Voice 12: asking for it every other tough for the other types of uses there is some rationale for these

[0:34:27] Voice 12: people needing to for you to change the law for one group of people why is the trust so intent

[0:34:33] Voice 12: intent on doing it especially when they've already had one I think we're

[0:34:37] Voice 11: just gonna thank you well I

[0:34:40] Voice 11: don't know what you mean the trust is intentional we have our obligation we have an application we

[0:34:45] Voice 11: didn't make the application but it comes there's rules on how we deal with any application whether

[0:34:49] Voice 11: everybody meets at a meeting so we are going through the proper process right that's our

[0:34:55] Voice 11: obligation so yeah

[0:34:57] Voice 13: and it's the planners do their job and making sure that all the information is

[0:35:02] Voice 13: there so that when we consider it including feedback from the applicant in the meeting

[0:35:07] Voice 13: is considered and that's why we come to it with an open mind we want to hear from everybody

[0:35:11] Voice 13: this is part of the information gathering process but the rationale they submitted is

[0:35:16] Voice 13: the applicant's rationale so

[0:35:18] Voice 11: we don't get to do that that

[0:35:19] Voice 13: is in the planner report from may from

[0:35:23] Voice 13: april 27th that's but it doesn't it

[0:35:26] Voice 12: just says they want to continue using it i'm

[0:35:29] Voice 13: sorry but that is

[0:35:30] Voice 13: the application that's

[0:35:31] Voice 12: the rationale they just say they want to continue yeah

[0:35:33] Voice 13: yeah so talk earlier

[0:35:34] Voice 12: about it so it's not okay

[0:35:35] Voice 13: there's nothing

[0:35:36] Voice 13: nothing's changed basically all right so i think

[0:35:40] Voice 13: we're gonna stop the back and forth we've been as clear as we can um any more comments questions

[0:35:47] Voice 13: queries concerns all right so we'll close the public participation period and you all can sit

[0:35:54] Voice 13: back and watch this deliberation um not laughing but laughing um so there's no community information

[0:36:02] Voice 13: meeting notes uh nor public hearing notes and we'll turn to our minutes in section seven

[0:36:08] Voice 13: this lisa

[0:36:10] Voice 11: just a minor error about when we spoke about the passing of peter askin

[0:36:14] Voice 11: it's a-s-k-i-n is spelling of his name and that's page nine thank you

[0:36:25] Voice 13: correction on page six of the minutes oh ask again yeah yeah from uh 13.7 the trustee report lisa

[0:36:34] Voice 13: thank

[0:36:38] Voice 1: you cherry elliott i have that thank

[0:36:40] Voice 13: you okay so any other corrections or additions

[0:36:44] Voice 13: all right take it by general consent and the minutes of april 27th 2026 be adopted

[0:36:51] Voice 13: it as amended and we'll turn to our follow-up action reports on page 11 um questions or

[0:37:02] Voice 13: comments or updates from the planner don't complete it

[0:37:06] Voice 7: wow never

[0:37:09] Voice 13: seen that before

[0:37:12] Voice 7: a

[0:37:14] Voice 13: lot of a lot of work

[0:37:15] Voice 13: Nerissa Swanson, leave everything and depart. All right, cool. So we've got

[0:37:23] Voice 13: three proposed referrals, proposed bylaws from other local trust areas,

[0:37:32] Voice 13: starting on page 12, Salt Springs, or Salt Springs,

[0:37:37] Voice 11: one northbound. I'll do

[0:37:39] Voice 11: the first two.

[0:37:43] Voice 11: I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[0:38:02] Voice 11: Committee that interests are unaffected by proposed bylaw number 551.

[0:38:07] Voice 13: Moved and seconded. Seconded by Trustee Vaughn. Any discussion? All those in favour? That is carried.

[0:38:17] Voice 11: I move that the Maynard Local Trust Committee respond to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee that interests are in it after it's been totally filed on number 552.

[0:38:26] Voice 13: Moved. Seconded by Trustee Vaughn. Any discussion? All those in favour? And that is carried.

[0:38:33] Trustee Maude: and i'll move the main out local trust committee respond to the social level trust committee

[0:38:38] Trustee Maude: uh that interests are unaffected by the proposed file number five five three no

[0:38:43] Voice 13: so the second

[0:38:44] Voice 13: error sorry uh any discussion all those in favor and that is carried

[0:38:50] Voice 13: and

[0:38:51] Trustee Maude: i will move the main

[0:38:52] Trustee Maude: on local trust committee respond to the salt spring island of the trust committee that interests are

[0:38:56] Trustee Maude: unaffected by proposed by one number five three or five five four okay

[0:39:00] Voice 13: seconded any discussion

[0:39:03] Voice 13: all those in favor that's scary all

[0:39:07] Trustee Maude: right one more

[0:39:08] Voice 7: i'm going

[0:39:09] Trustee Maude: to be opposed to something um

[0:39:10] Trustee Maude: i'm moving the main local trust committee uh respond to north pender local trust committee

[0:39:15] Trustee Maude: that interests are unaffected by draft violence number two four zero and two four one

[0:39:20] Voice 11: yes but i seconded command them for organizing their opposing options oh this is

[0:39:28] Voice 11: the other one

[0:39:29] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:39:29] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:39:30] Voice 11: That's just about the housing options.

[0:39:31] Voice 11: Great.

[0:39:32] Voice 11: They sort of piggybacked on me and I was focusing projects and so they provided more flexibility

[0:39:39] Voice 11: and options for increasing affordable, non-market, worker housing alternatives under the HENDER

[0:39:45] Voice 11: item.

[0:39:46] Voice 11: And that was thanks to

[0:39:47] Voice 11: Narissa Chadwick and all the work she did for me.

[0:39:50] Voice 13: Great.

[0:39:51] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:39:51] Trustee Maude: And an amazing APC.

[0:39:53] Voice 13: That's an amazing APC.

[0:39:54] Voice 13: Excellent.

[0:39:55] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:39:56] Voice 13: All those in favour?

[0:39:57] Voice 13: that is carried thank you so we'll turn now to um the first of our um applications that is on page

[0:40:07] Voice 13: 35 which is uh bltup 2026 so one two four uh the report is very brief it references the report from

[0:40:18] Voice 13: from the April 27th meeting originally.

[0:40:22] Voice 13: So turn to you, Dr. Belcher.

[0:40:24] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:40:26] Voice 10: Yeah, so this is just an update

[0:40:28] Voice 10: on the registration application

[0:40:32] Voice 10: for the short-term vacation rental

[0:40:37] Voice 10: at 530 Terminus Drive.

[0:40:41] Voice 10: Following the meeting,

[0:40:43] Voice 10: we received more correspondence based on the application.

[0:40:47] Voice 10: and of the letters received prior to the agenda deadline there's been seven in opposition

[0:40:57] Voice 10: uh four of which are closer neighbors to the property and then including concerns regarding

[0:41:04] Voice 10: the overall short-term vacation use on may not as well as the competition with long-standing

[0:41:10] Voice 10: any commercial vacation rentals there wasn't any specific concerns over the over the use

[0:41:19] Voice 10: within the permit as defined in the draft permit and then one letter was in support

[0:41:27] Voice 10: one direct neighbor who identified that there's been no issues with the structure

[0:41:32] Voice 10: term rental use and then just to address the water concerns we have received the

[0:41:40] Voice 10: the water usage from the applicant and it is within the it's not outside of the

[0:41:53] Voice 10: levels within the water district and that is that i think that information is available

[0:42:06] Voice 10: um yeah so i'll get rid of that if you have any other questions thank you

[0:42:13] Voice 13: i don't have

[0:42:16] Voice 13: questions um we want to give the opportunity to the applicant to speak um to perhaps not

[0:42:24] Voice 13: even have this session so before questions would you like to say anything great

[0:42:28] Voice 6: thanks for having

[0:42:29] Voice 6: me my name is amber baker i'm one of the applicants for the top permit today um we are requesting a new

[0:42:37] Voice 6: top for a short-term vacation rental because we would like to offer short-term vacation rentals

[0:42:44] Voice 6: in that home. We have offered through the top short-term vacation rentals on a restricted basis

[0:42:52] Voice 6: as are outlined in the application that we're requesting today

[0:42:56] Voice 7: over

[0:42:57] Voice 6: the last five years.

[0:42:59] Voice 6: In that time period there have been no formal complaints. One of the pieces that we really

[0:43:04] Voice 6: value about this process for public input is that it helps to draft and create the restrictions

[0:43:09] Voice 6: within these uses. And we found them to be really helpful as we first offered this in our family

[0:43:17] Voice 6: cabin. This home was purchased by my partner and I five years ago. And prior to that was owned by

[0:43:24] Voice 6: my in-laws for 20 years as a part-time vacation home. We have really enjoyed our experience thus

[0:43:32] Voice 6: far and hearing public feedback both today and also online there was quite an extensive

[0:43:37] Voice 6: online discussion over the last week on facebook and a variety of groups um similar themes were

[0:43:44] Voice 6: brought up with concern and i i heard some today one of which being water which we take very

[0:43:49] Voice 6: seriously um for everyone's knowledge as as the planner bruce just highlighted when we apply when

[0:43:56] Voice 6: anyone applies for a tub or at least when we did we had to submit all of our water usage over the

[0:44:00] Voice 6: last term years, so three years, plus all of our hydro use. The water, as many main island

[0:44:07] Voice 6: residents know, is publicly posted in each district. So for our district, it's the Campbell

[0:44:12] Voice 6: Bennett Bay Water District. I don't know how many years are available, but many, many years are

[0:44:17] Voice 6: available online for viewing. And our home has consistently used less water than both of our

[0:44:22] Voice 6: direct neighbors for the past five years, every quarter. Some quarters as much as 95% less than

[0:44:28] Voice 6: our direct neighbor we use water conscious appliances which we upgraded when we bought

[0:44:35] Voice 6: the home we have signage posted at every which is also a requirement we should say

[0:44:40] Voice 6: but signage posted at every water outlet including exterior and interior taps in the home

[0:44:46] Voice 6: another piece that we heard which we take very seriously is fire use the permit historically

[0:44:51] Voice 6: and this one does not allow for guests to use any sort of outdoor fire and i'm surprised and

[0:44:57] Voice 6: disappointed to hear that there was fire use with some of the guests. I'm not sure if that was

[0:45:02] Voice 6: through short-term Airbnb guests or through family and friends, but regardless, if it's

[0:45:07] Voice 6: off-season, that's inappropriate. And I'm disappointed we didn't hear that directly

[0:45:11] Voice 6: from our neighbor. That's the first time I'm hearing that today. And I'm also surprised the

[0:45:15] Voice 6: fire department didn't reach out to us if you reported it both times. One of the first things

[0:45:21] Voice 6: we highlight in welcome messages, along with resourcing emergency numbers, is the explicit

[0:45:26] Voice 6: explicit direction for no interior or exterior fires on the property at any point, whether it's

[0:45:31] Voice 6: burn season or not. And we are open to looking at ways to improve that communication or to improve

[0:45:39] Voice 6: items within the TAP itself to make that more clear. But we take that very seriously.

[0:45:46] Voice 6: Other pieces that were brought up in the letters, the seven, and then I think there's been some

[0:45:50] Voice 6: additional sense. Talked about the challenges with housing in short-term and long-term options

[0:45:57] Voice 6: on me, which I acknowledge and hear and am not here to debate because they are very real

[0:46:02] Voice 6: issues. This home, as I mentioned, sat empty for 20 years for 75% of the time and wasn't

[0:46:09] Voice 6: part of the housing market, nor would it be returned to the housing market if we didn't

[0:46:13] Voice 6: receive this top. When we first applied five years ago and were approved, we received a

[0:46:18] Voice 6: list of all of our 100 immediate neighbours on that list. I have it here today if you'd like to

[0:46:24] Voice 6: see it. And I think there were 13 or 14 addresses within 100 metres that we were required to notify

[0:46:30] Voice 6: with our contact information plus an on-island contact. And all but two of those 100 metre

[0:46:37] Voice 6: neighbours were off-island residents. So the vast majority of homes in our neighbourhood are vacation

[0:46:42] Voice 6: part-time homes with the exception of two at the time five years ago. I'm sure that's changed in

[0:46:47] Voice 6: the last uh update uh but we we are very mindful of the number of homes sitting empty and also the

[0:46:54] Voice 6: number of homes illegally renting not only on our block but on island so we feel really passionate

[0:47:00] Voice 6: about the process of regulation i think 60 days in the summer season and then 30 days

[0:47:06] Voice 6: uh in the winter it is is a really wonderful parameter for us which is was in response to

[0:47:12] Voice 6: community input with our original application um we don't utilize all of those days every year

[0:47:17] Voice 6: last year through airbnb we rented 62 days total for the calendar year um but the home is utilized

[0:47:23] Voice 6: by ourselves our family our siblings our my in-laws came over last week when we were here

[0:47:29] Voice 6: like we still have an abundance of family and friends with the intention of utilizing the home

[0:47:34] Voice 6: basically every day june through end of september and that won't change with the renewal of the top

[0:47:40] Voice 6: There are still people going to be in the home and enjoying the property, as it's meant to be enjoyed.

[0:47:47] Voice 6: I'm certainly open if there's specific questions from council or trust about pieces that could be improved upon.

[0:47:56] Voice 6: Regardless of us getting this renewal or not, we want to be strong, contributing community members.

[0:48:03] Voice 6: We also appreciate that some of the concerns brought up from one of our direct neighbors in correspondence are relatively unrelated to the TUP itself and more to do with property maintenance, which we've opened dialogue to try to remedy.

[0:48:17] Voice 6: And certainly open to feedback that Council may have around any of those pieces moving forward, again, regardless of TUP renewal or not.

[0:48:26] Voice 6: we are asking for a three-year renewal um because we feel very strongly that we shouldn't be

[0:48:31] Voice 6: penalized for following the guidelines and restrictions we feel proud that there have

[0:48:37] Voice 6: been no formal complaints and other than one direct correspondence with a neighbor

[0:48:41] Voice 6: in that five-year period about a barking dog there have been no other plagues about renters

[0:48:49] Voice 6: provided to us directly when the barking dog was brought up i think i mentioned

[0:48:58] Voice 13: I

[0:48:58] Voice 6: think I mentioned this last time at last two months ago's meeting that when the dog that was

[0:49:07] Voice 6: barking on the property was brought to our attention we contacted the renters it was

[0:49:11] Voice 6: resolved within 20-25 minutes and we dealt with it acutely so in those situations we're really

[0:49:19] Voice 6: happy to have dialogue with neighbors we request that dialogue especially if there's things like

[0:49:23] Voice 6: fires on the on the property um and appreciate that there's also an on-island contact that we

[0:49:30] Voice 6: have uh that is here full-time to also address that issues in our absence so i'll hand it back

[0:49:36] Voice 6: to council and i'm happy to answer any questions or comments that you may have yeah

[0:49:41] Voice 13: covered a lot

[0:49:44] Voice 13: lot of the areas that I have questions about.

[0:49:54] Voice 13: So well, okay, so the issue of the debris, you mentioned in an

[0:50:01] Voice 13: email that you've reached out to local contacts to assist with

[0:50:05] Voice 13: removing the remaining debris. So can you talk a little bit

[0:50:09] Voice 13: about sort of the debris issue? Because some people have

[0:50:14] Voice 13: have complained about that. I've seen photos and we did see the property. So I have my own opinions

[0:50:21] Voice 13: about, you know, what constitutes debris, but they are small lots and everything is close together.

[0:50:26] Voice 13: So sort of what level of debris removal are you planning?

[0:50:35] Voice 6: Yes. So I think two separate

[0:50:38] Voice 6: debris piles, one being yard waste, which is quite expensive. We've done substantial cleanup over the

[0:50:44] Voice 6: property um not just over the last five years but every season when we come um we've had it cleared

[0:50:49] Voice 6: once before um and it needs to be cleared again so we have reached out prior to last meeting to

[0:50:54] Voice 6: someone on island um unfortunately they weren't able to um come to arrive at the property both

[0:51:00] Voice 6: times that were coordinated so we're now moving on to another contact who has a local who's on

[0:51:05] Voice 6: island local contact that has an excavating company and we're trying to coordinate a date

[0:51:09] Voice 6: in July, but if not, it's not soon. If all else fails, we also got a quote from a Pender-based

[0:51:16] Voice 6: company for $4,000 to have it removed. So ideally, that's not the route we're taking,

[0:51:21] Voice 6: but we're really exploring what options are there to have it removed. Again, unrelated to the TUP

[0:51:27] Voice 6: itself. The other, and I don't know if this is the right terminology, but the other debris pile

[0:51:32] Voice 6: mentioned in one of the letters from our direct neighbors is in response to our woodshed. The

[0:51:38] Voice 6: The woodshed's been on the property longer than I've been alive, I'm sure, and it can only be worked through in burn season.

[0:51:45] Voice 6: It's what we use to feed fires both inside and outside.

[0:51:48] Voice 6: So in the burning season, we work through it, but it's all wood that's there.

[0:51:52] Voice 6: I think there are a couple of planters nearby, but it's the woodshed, which is the other debris pile that's often referred to.

[0:51:59] Voice 6: And

[0:52:01] Voice 13: could you talk a little bit, because people have asked about the rationale of why you

[0:52:09] Voice 13: want to rent this or use the residence as a short-term vacation rental?

[0:52:15] Voice 6: Sure.

[0:52:16] Voice 6: Yeah, I think, I don't know if there was a more explicit reason sent when we applied

[0:52:21] Voice 6: other than we wanted to apply for a permit, but this is one of the ways that helps to

[0:52:26] Voice 6: offset through the cost of maintaining this property. As anyone who has owned or managed

[0:52:33] Voice 6: property historically knows, there is ongoing costs beyond just buying a home and maintaining

[0:52:38] Voice 6: a home. And our goal is to help offset some of those costs while appreciating that this

[0:52:45] Voice 6: rental opportunity is not to create a net profit. We do not profit a net from this property. It

[0:52:52] Voice 6: It costs more to maintain ownership than we're able to bring in through rental income.

[0:52:56] Voice 6: But it's one of the ways that we can reduce costs and keep this home accessible and freely accessible to our family and friends,

[0:53:04] Voice 6: as we're really grateful to have had the opportunity to purchase it five years ago.

[0:53:08] Voice 6: So that's the main intention. I also, I heard earlier to share, I also utilize Airbnb.

[0:53:16] Voice 6: I really like the platform and there's others as well, not just that one.

[0:53:19] Voice 6: And again, I appreciate the displacement, especially in urban centers around housing.

[0:53:25] Voice 6: And one of the reasons we love Airbnb is that there's an opportunity at the end of every

[0:53:30] Voice 6: stay for both the host and renters to review each other.

[0:53:34] Voice 6: So that when, as a host, pardon me, we get a request for a booking, we can see someone's

[0:53:40] Voice 6: full public review before we say, yes, you can stay here.

[0:53:43] Voice 6: year and so it gives us a lot of control as as homeowners to choose who and what and how many

[0:53:50] Voice 6: people and how many pets perhaps are staying at the home with it being such a transparent platform

[0:53:57] Voice 6: in that accountability and both starred reviews but written reviews as well that we can see ahead

[0:54:02] Voice 6: of time does that answer your question yeah

[0:54:05] Voice 13: i was yeah i wanted to because i think it's sent

[0:54:09] Voice 13: in an email, sort of some of that rationale of the cost and how it does help offset, which wasn't

[0:54:17] Voice 13: in your application. So let's just read through that. Thank you. I guess I have a question for

[0:54:29] Voice 13: Bruce. I had seen, I think, a copy of the First Nations information provided in the

[0:54:36] Voice 13: the last temporary use permit um but i didn't see it as part of this permit mission i don't know did

[0:54:48] Voice 13: we miss that because i remember reading it there was like quite a an extensive context one to two

[0:54:56] Voice 6: pages it wasn't included that i saw in this but i did see it in i looked at the other tub i think

[0:55:02] Voice 6: I think it was originally from Galliano, the PDF copy, and then the wording had to be changed

[0:55:09] Voice 6: for Maine.

[0:55:09] Voice 6: But I did find it, I think it was in the February, I could look back, I did find it when I was

[0:55:14] Voice 6: reading about the other Tup in their process.

[0:55:16] Voice 13: Oh, no, Maine 2P, 2023.3, this is the, they are written, oh, C.D. Rowland.

[0:55:24] Voice 1: Why

[0:55:24] Voice 13: am I looking at C.D. Rowland?

[0:55:25] Voice 6: That's the other Tup.

[0:55:26] Voice 13: That's the other problem.

[0:55:28] Voice 13: Sorry,

[0:55:28] Voice 7: I was like,

[0:55:29] Voice 13: that is a really good First Nations acknowledgement.

[0:55:31] Voice 13: of it um so one thing to consider is um whether um acknowledgement of place and sort of the

[0:55:41] Voice 13: cultural context um yeah people should like

[0:55:46] Voice 11: specifically chose yeah

[0:55:48] Voice 13: i i typically ask for

[0:55:52] Voice 13: that to to ensure that guests coming to the island have an awareness of the cultural history so

[0:55:59] Voice 13: So we do have

[0:56:02] Voice 6: a very brief, I will say, land acknowledgement in our cabin guide, like the

[0:56:08] Voice 6: first thing people receive, and it definitely could be expanded upon or more publicly posted

[0:56:12] Voice 6: because it's not on the exterior of our home and it's not posted in the interior, but it

[0:56:17] Voice 6: is in the physical and online guide that we have.

[0:56:20] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:56:21] Voice 6: Not that one, though.

[0:56:23] Voice 6: I do think

[0:56:25] Voice 13: the one from CV Road is actually great.

[0:56:29] Voice 13: quite a good one that you could look at to modify, but just wanting to respect that we

[0:56:38] Voice 13: are in shared places with shared stories. Provide a guess with that information could

[0:56:43] Voice 13: be if you want to look at that would be great. Okay, thoughts? I've done this my question

[0:56:57] Trustee Maude: a couple questions just sort of for consideration to address concerns one is would you consider

[0:57:06] Trustee Maude: having a no pets clause within your rental um

[0:57:10] Voice 6: great question uh right now we do allow pets

[0:57:12] Voice 6: with the stipulation that they're never left unattended in the home or the yard that's that's

[0:57:18] Voice 6: fully fenced um we would be open to a no pet stipulation i we ourselves we ourselves don't

[0:57:23] Voice 6: have uh dogs um and one of the pieces that we were really mindful of when creating opportunity

[0:57:30] Voice 6: for rentals is trying to create a really inclusive family oriented uh space which often comes along

[0:57:36] Voice 6: with a dog um so we are we're open to that if that felt like an appropriate next step it wouldn't

[0:57:43] Voice 6: restrict our family to both have dogs on either sides from bringing their animals but as far as

[0:57:48] Voice 6: the short-term renters um we would be open to restricting that if that felt important and

[0:57:54] Trustee Maude: another question would be is thoughts on screening the neighboring properties

[0:57:59] Voice 6: screening did you say

[0:58:00] Voice 6: yeah

[0:58:00] Trustee Maude: so a fence or yeah

[0:58:02] Voice 6: because

[0:58:03] Trustee Maude: things aren't quite tight yes they are

[0:58:05] Voice 6: very tight for anyone

[0:58:06] Voice 6: who knows the area very tight neighboring spaces um we do have uh very visible uh what was that

[0:58:12] Voice 6: chicken wire fencing on both sides um we would be open to certainly adding more privacy screening

[0:58:19] Voice 6: i think one of the challenges is that the neighbor who's present today has chosen to remove a lot of

[0:58:25] Voice 6: their privacy lattice and screening since our last visit and so we want to open that dialogue

[0:58:30] Voice 6: up to say is this is this a solution is this supportive um it certainly would be the most

[0:58:36] Voice 6: cost effective way it's a very long the lot line itself is 175 feet on both

[0:58:41] Voice 6: sides so to put in a

[0:58:43] Voice 6: solid fence which uh was something we discussed uh would be upwards of 10 plus 15 000 to do

[0:58:50] Voice 6: especially on both sides of the property um which just isn't accessible to us but

[0:58:55] Voice 6: very open to to lattice screening more temporary there are existing posts there that could be

[0:59:00] Voice 6: better utilized than the chicken wire that that exists so that's my mom way of answering that

[0:59:05] Voice 6: question okay i

[0:59:10] Voice 3: think that's it okay

[0:59:13] Voice 13: deliberations there's there's a lot of context to this we've

[0:59:18] Voice 13: been provided a lot of information we have all visited the site i'm assuming yeah my main concern

[0:59:32] Voice 13: i'll say off the top was the water potential water use that's always an issue of course on

[0:59:39] Voice 13: all the gulf islands and we're trying to be very mindful of developing and planning for the future

[0:59:46] Voice 13: not just for today so i did take a look at the um the water meeting um records for 2025

[0:59:54] Voice 13: 25 and 24 and it does seem your operation.

[1:00:00] Voice 13: is you know right in the middle to even yeah in the middle of the range not at all an excessive

[1:00:08] Voice 13: use and I know that they contact owners if they get over 15,000 liters so it doesn't appear that

[1:00:15] Voice 13: you're even close to that so that was my main concern and I'm really glad to see that water

[1:00:21] Voice 13: metering is part of the package so that was my main concern but of course a neighbor impacts

[1:00:30] Voice 13: impacts are also definitely one of the biggest things that we're hearing um so what are your

[1:00:39] Voice 13: thoughts about

[1:00:42] Voice 11: debating the motion like going back to when the original tup was issued it was

[1:00:50] Voice 11: a very difficult community and I pointed that out having been on both pieces of photography

[1:00:55] Voice 11: having discussed some compromises, which would be, as Dave said, having thought about the bigger

[1:01:04] Voice 11: picture of just what that neighborhood and the neighborhood impacts. I don't know if five years

[1:01:13] Voice 11: ago, I walked into properties in South, incredibly close, both social activity areas, both decks and

[1:01:20] Voice 11: yards it's like and going back to what mike mentioned about size um i don't know at that

[1:01:27] Voice 11: time at the time the information we had at the time it seemed and we were cautious it was only

[1:01:33] Voice 11: for two years not three um when we came to renew it there again we didn't have any specific lots

[1:01:41] Voice 11: of people don't want stvrs but that really is not our job to just because we have different options

[1:01:47] Voice 11: And as Erin pointed out, sometimes people would like to have a house house.

[1:01:52] Voice 11: But having visited both properties, looked at the alternatives, looked at the current situation,

[1:01:58] Voice 11: certainly if the motion was on the table, I would not be able to support it.

[1:02:02] Voice 11: On the other side of all of that, I think everybody knows we have a lot of non-permitted illegal.

[1:02:08] Voice 11: We had one on Irie Road, which was really, really hard to get.

[1:02:15] Voice 11: I mean, they finally sold the house, so you don't have to commend the applicants for the fact that they did apply for a permit.

[1:02:23] Voice 11: They went through all the rules, and obviously they didn't break the rules.

[1:02:26] Voice 11: And the unfortunate thing is we've reached this point now where there was either a misunderstanding or lack of us explaining that we needed to know if there was a problem, because no matter what, at some point, a renewal would be coming up.

[1:02:42] Voice 11: So there was no complaints made, no heads up with the applicants who went

[1:02:47] Voice 11: ahead and paid a lot of money to put in an application.

[1:02:50] Voice 11: And I think there again, in terms of temporary use permits, we have to be really clear.

[1:02:55] Voice 11: Once you get that permit, we can't take it away for three years.

[1:02:58] Voice 11: That's the other important thing.

[1:03:00] Voice 11: Just because you don't conform to the permits, which the applicants have done, they have done that, not knowing when there was issues coming up.

[1:03:10] Voice 11: But that makes the whole TUP concept for short-term vacation rentals even more precarious.

[1:03:18] Voice 11: And at this point, we only have two properties operating with temporary use permits.

[1:03:24] Voice 11: And I think by the time we have the second one happening, when I say we, I mean the trust

[1:03:28] Voice 11: committee was still like, we don't know if this is going to work or not.

[1:03:32] Voice 11: We've put compromises in, we've added legal cottages as permitted for both occupations.

[1:03:39] Voice 11: there are times of the year when we don't have enough it does go through ebbs and flows we have

[1:03:44] Voice 11: a lot of property out there that's zoned for tourist accommodation that somebody implies to

[1:03:49] Voice 11: me that we didn't have enough we do we have a can but it's not used not developed ocean wood

[1:03:54] Voice 11: for a nail lodge spring water so we have we also have the responsibility to provide opportunities

[1:04:00] Voice 11: for people in bc we're not here just preserve and protect from main island we also have an

[1:04:05] Voice 11: obligation to the to the entire province to allow access but at this point i'm not hearing that

[1:04:11] Voice 11: there's dire shortage of accommodation there's a variety but there again these people in all good

[1:04:18] Voice 11: fairness did all the right things lots of people are not lots of non-committed or happy and lots

[1:04:24] Voice 11: of people are using quad exists for friends friends and family etc having fires barking

[1:04:29] Voice 11: dogs, using more water than they're supposed to. So the fact that I can't

[1:04:35] Voice 11: support me doing the permit is somewhat unfair in that these people, applicants,

[1:04:41] Voice 11: have really done as good a job as they could. It's just those particular

[1:04:46] Voice 11: properties without the big solid wooden fence, don't have any dogs, you still have

[1:04:52] Voice 11: this issue of people, strangers coming in and out of your neighborhood that you're

[1:04:57] Voice 11: not going to know and that's a very tight knit right now it's a very different year but if i

[1:05:02] Voice 11: say that it was probably even three years ago so that's you know without a motion to debate

[1:05:07] Voice 11: okay well

[1:05:10] Voice 13: thanks for those the thoughts on the the changing context yeah so

[1:05:19] Trustee Maude: my perspective you know

[1:05:21] Trustee Maude: this is exceptionally emotional exceptionally difficult on application because when we look

[1:05:29] Trustee Maude: at things the primary thing with something like a short-term vacation rental is the complaints

[1:05:37] Trustee Maude: is that it's when we look at an application and we see there's been no complaints it kind of puts

[1:05:45] Trustee Maude: our guard down saying well obviously they've been doing a very good job um there's five years of

[1:05:50] Trustee Maude: operation with not one wildlife complaint so when planet belcher produces a report um and

[1:05:57] Trustee Maude: And it says right on the report, there's been no complaints.

[1:06:01] Trustee Maude: I'm going, yeah, well, slam dunk.

[1:06:05] Trustee Maude: And that's the difficulty is that we get to a decision-making process in April,

[1:06:10] Trustee Maude: and then all of a sudden we're hearing all of these complaints.

[1:06:14] Trustee Maude: And it sounds like it's an unholy mess.

[1:06:21] Trustee Maude: And I really, really struggle with that because we, I don't know,

[1:06:26] Trustee Maude: almost on a weekly basis somebody comes to me with a concern with something and the first thing i say

[1:06:32] Trustee Maude: go to the house trust website there's there's an it's an amazing simple process to put a complaint

[1:06:37] Trustee Maude: in it's it's it's it's well laid out um for they're generally speaking they're anonymous

[1:06:43] Trustee Maude: um and so things like things of concern there's there could be complaints then we can look at a

[1:06:51] Trustee Maude: renewal process and and by law enforcement can say to us there's been 18 complaints and even if

[1:06:57] Trustee Maude: those complaints the pilot enforcement investigated and said there was a concern

[1:07:02] Trustee Maude: it would heighten our radar saying hey there's an issue within the neighborhood um it may not

[1:07:07] Trustee Maude: be directly related to the stbr but there are issues here and i really struggle with this last

[1:07:13] Trustee Maude: minute volume of because it changes my whole thought process because i walked

[1:07:18] Trustee Maude: into a meeting

[1:07:19] Trustee Maude: in april like in a staff report and it was like okay five minutes on discussion um approval because

[1:07:26] Trustee Maude: there were no concerns um and that's why we sat in april and we referred it to this meeting basically

[1:07:32] Trustee Maude: because we're hearing concerns we only we only heard from a couple of people at the april meeting

[1:07:39] Trustee Maude: and we deferred it to this meeting to basically flush out um what concerns are are being made

[1:07:47] Trustee Maude: so we were not rushing to judge. Although I must say a lot of what I have seen

[1:07:55] Trustee Maude: have not been related to the temporary use permit. Piles of brush and such is really unrelated.

[1:08:06] Trustee Maude: The concerns related to the TUP are sort of where I can see that there seem to be some issues.

[1:08:14] Trustee Maude: issues. If there was the barking dog thing, we could address through not committing tests

[1:08:23] Trustee Maude: within the temporary use permit. But that said, you know, if it's one event, that's

[1:08:31] Trustee Maude: one thing. But if it's an ongoing thing, you know, yeah, we need to do it. And again, it's

[1:08:39] Trustee Maude: this thing if people have concerns over anything it's it's and i'm sure our bylaw enforcement

[1:08:45] Trustee Maude: officer does not want to hear this because he doesn't want to extract the word but the more

[1:08:50] Trustee Maude: complaints we we get and see it gives us a foundation of solid um decision making because

[1:08:57] Trustee Maude: it's not a he said she said because what happens bylaw enforcement is an independent enforcement

[1:09:02] Trustee Maude: we have no involvement with it whatsoever and so if somebody says this is a problem

[1:09:09] Trustee Maude: They go in, they look in a very neutral way at the concern, and they say it's a valid

[1:09:14] Trustee Maude: concern or they say it's not a valid concern.

[1:09:16] Trustee Maude: So that when we get to this point of renewal, we can say, okay, this is where we're standing.

[1:09:23] Trustee Maude: So I'm put in a phenomenally difficult position because on the face of it, I'm looking at

[1:09:30] Trustee Maude: a fairly in-depth staff report.

[1:09:32] Trustee Maude: for looking at a TUP with a lot of need on the,

[1:09:39] Trustee Maude: it's not, the subject requirements are extensive.

[1:09:45] Trustee Maude: It's 20 odd items and the enforcement will be strong

[1:09:51] Trustee Maude: on those types of things because the TUP is,

[1:09:54] Trustee Maude: it's got a lot of enforcement actions on it.

[1:09:59] Trustee Maude: So as I say, like I was walking into an April meeting

[1:10:02] Trustee Maude: thinking that this was an easy

[1:10:04] Trustee Maude: rebuild

[1:10:06] Trustee Maude: I'm now in a June meeting

[1:10:08] Trustee Maude: where I'm going I don't know

[1:10:10] Trustee Maude: because

[1:10:10] Trustee Maude: I think we always say

[1:10:14] Trustee Maude: the neighbors are the most important consideration

[1:10:16] Trustee Maude: for anything that we do in variances

[1:10:18] Trustee Maude: in issuing of anything

[1:10:20] Trustee Maude: because we want a quiet

[1:10:23] Trustee Maude: cohesive community

[1:10:25] Trustee Maude: where everybody kind of gets along

[1:10:27] Trustee Maude: and

[1:10:28] Trustee Maude: when we get

[1:10:31] Trustee Maude: saddled with these things

[1:10:32] Trustee Maude: And literally, again, this is out of left field.

[1:10:36] Trustee Maude: There would be a lot more foundations for turning down the application

[1:10:42] Trustee Maude: if there were file-out complaints, there was a paper trail,

[1:10:46] Trustee Maude: and they would say, look, these are bad people doing a bad operation.

[1:10:51] Trustee Maude: And up until April, I didn't have any of that on my radar.

[1:10:55] Trustee Maude: So it's an exceptionally difficult position to be in.

[1:11:01] Trustee Maude: And I know that when we granted the second to UPSC, we did say to staff sort of, if anybody

[1:11:09] Trustee Maude: else tries to apply, we can't federate our discretion, but we say, you know, point out

[1:11:16] Trustee Maude: that it's probably going to be a struggle because one or two is fine, but a multiple

[1:11:23] Trustee Maude: number is and certainly we've noted from a lot of the correspondence that there are illegal stbrs

[1:11:31] Trustee Maude: on this island we know it you know what put in complaints um it could because we have

[1:11:39] Trustee Maude: exceptionally efficient and and well-tuned file enforcement staff with the new provincial

[1:11:46] Trustee Maude: regulations to do a short-term vacation rental under any aspect has to be registered with the

[1:11:52] Trustee Maude: province. And the province is exceptionally strong at working with fire and fire enforcement staff

[1:11:59] Trustee Maude: and saying like, even though we're not, we haven't opted for the provincial program, the provincial

[1:12:04] Trustee Maude: enforcement staff talk to our staff and say, hey, and that's one of the extra hammers. If you're

[1:12:10] Trustee Maude: running an illegal STVR off on Main Island, there's a provincial hammer that can be utilized

[1:12:18] Trustee Maude: because you're not registered. You have to be registered with the province, no matter what.

[1:12:23] Trustee Maude: uh so i would i would those who know about short-term vacation rentals like it was suggested

[1:12:31] Trustee Maude: by one person there's over 15 on arbutus i don't know but if you think there's 15 on arbutus

[1:12:39] Trustee Maude: i can thank you i can tell you we haven't seen the complaints uh because we do get it we do get

[1:12:45] Trustee Maude: a summary from like our farm followed with file enforcement is literally a summary and they'll

[1:12:50] Trustee Maude: say to us there's been a claim open for a short-term vacation rental on Arbita's Drive,

[1:12:57] Trustee Maude: so we kind of know if there's been complaints. There's been nothing.

[1:13:03] Trustee Maude: Sorry, we're not

[1:13:04] Voice 13: taking your comments from the floor.

[1:13:05] Voice 13: This is our time to discuss.

[1:13:07] Trustee Maude: So that's one of the things I will communicate to the community anywhere on Main Island. If you know

[1:13:12] Trustee Maude: of a short-term vacation that you think is illegal, and that definitely applies over on Laura Point,

[1:13:19] Trustee Maude: is put in a complaint because our investigators will go in and confirm whether it's a problem or

[1:13:24] Trustee Maude: not it is they don't just do something cursory they they do very very strong enforcement they

[1:13:33] Trustee Maude: do the investigations and they make it proper so that's

[1:13:37] Trustee Maude: that we got that so

[1:13:38] Voice 13: yeah so

[1:13:39] Voice 13: to this

[1:13:40] Voice 13: This application, you've asked some questions. Are you prepared to make a motion, or is this a non-starter for both trustees, because Trustee Dodds is not prepared to support it?

[1:13:54] Trustee Maude: My question, I would say, prior to making the motion with Trustee Dodds, is that, is this something that we should be sending to the APC?

[1:14:03] Trustee Maude: like i think that should have been thought applied in april but um i just

[1:14:10] Trustee Maude: i

[1:14:10] Voice 13: think there's lots of feedback um from a range of folks in the neighboring area as well as

[1:14:20] Voice 13: outside so i don't know what the apc would contribute it's theoretical as to you know

[1:14:26] Voice 13: some of the concerns about um whether not offering a short-term vacation rental would open up rental

[1:14:32] Voice 13: housing we know from the applicant that's not going to happen so what else is the APC going to

[1:14:40] Voice 13: provide in information that we're lacking right now?

[1:14:44] Trustee Maude: It's just a broader community input

[1:14:47] Trustee Maude: from the APC sort of giving us a little bit of guidance but

[1:14:51] Voice 11: it's too late it's unfortunate that

[1:14:55] Voice 11: we didn't get complaints ahead of time opportunity so it's really and and the same it's the particular

[1:15:06] Voice 11: pieces of property that are always going to be contentious with somebody full-time one house

[1:15:13] Voice 11: and part-time every term especially through the summer i i'll make a motion that the main island

[1:15:21] Voice 11: local trust committee not approved issuance of temporary use permit pltup 2026 0124 so i've got

[1:15:33] Voice 13: a mover um do i have a second here second and so um discussion motion i

[1:15:42] Voice 11: just want to say it's

[1:15:44] Voice 11: you know say i already said this but looking back over the years if we had been starting today from

[1:15:51] Voice 11: from scratch. And we had visited both properties, sort of had an

[1:15:55] Voice 11: idea of what was there of how, you know, obviously, short term

[1:16:00] Voice 11: vacation rentals are primarily used in the summertime, people

[1:16:03] Voice 11: come here, because they want to be outside. So if somebody who

[1:16:09] Voice 11: would have a neighbor that close, it's obvious to me that

[1:16:14] Voice 11: that permit should probably have not ever happened. I'm keep

[1:16:19] Voice 11: circumstances might change in the future but i go back to what mike said i think he hit the nail on

[1:16:24] Voice 11: the head that if we were to consider in the future short-term vacation rentals we have to put

[1:16:29] Voice 11: guidelines in of some reasonable level of privacy because it's late night activities ferry fair

[1:16:36] Voice 11: ferries run hours late just want to say i feel badly that we got this far down the road i wish

[1:16:43] Voice 11: we were clearer too about the fact that if there is an issue you need to complain you need to tell

[1:16:48] Voice 11: us so that when the renewal comes up, or the fact that people can have multiple TUPs,

[1:16:53] Voice 11: it can go on forever. So don't ever underestimate the strength of the TUP. Be sure to react if you

[1:17:00] Voice 11: have a problem. So lots of lessons learned, and we'll take those comments

[1:17:08] Voice 7: if you try.

[1:17:16] Voice 7: Discussion on the motion?

[1:17:17] Voice 7: I

[1:17:19] Trustee Maude: don't really have much more to contribute on the discussion.

[1:17:22] Trustee Maude: discussion um it's it's just an exceptionally difficult application kind of haven't heard from

[1:17:29] Trustee Maude: from you so maybe you have any sort of i

[1:17:32] Voice 13: mean i think on the face of it the application is good

[1:17:35] Voice 13: and the applicant or miss baker tried to address all the concerns um i think at this point things

[1:17:43] Voice 13: have gathered some momentum that the neighborhood is just not going to be happy if there's uh if

[1:17:50] Voice 13: if this proceeds so um and and neighboring impacts is and cumulative impacts are one of the

[1:17:57] Voice 13: um guidelines that we need to look at the fact that they're i didn't know that so cvu how close

[1:18:05] Voice 13: is that is

[1:18:06] Voice 11: that it says

[1:18:06] Voice 13: within 250 meters where we are okay it wasn't difficult i think right

[1:18:12] Voice 13: right the whole issue it's not easy no it's not um lessons learned yeah so um you know i did hear

[1:18:25] Voice 13: about you know putting the fire out i had no concerns about your responsiveness on that matter

[1:18:32] Voice 13: um and the debris and you know honestly children running around is sorry that's part of summer

[1:18:43] Voice 13: um so whether they're renters or family members coming uh i don't know if let's put it this way

[1:18:51] Voice 13: there's less limitations on a private residence being used for extended family members to come

[1:18:57] Voice 13: of all

[1:18:58] Voice 13: kinds and friends but with the temporary use permit there is at least

[1:19:02] Voice 13: um a limit and you can make complaints because it's being operated as a business so in essence

[1:19:09] Voice 13: it's you kind of lose that ability to complain about your neighbors on a residential kind of

[1:19:18] Voice 13: character matter so it's really tough

[1:19:30] Voice 7: and the

[1:19:43] Voice 13: ltc could it could could require additional

[1:19:48] Voice 13: landscape buffering or distance separation to adjacent lots but that is very limited because

[1:19:55] Voice 13: everything is so close together there um so that's kind of it's not really something we can

[1:20:04] Voice 13: you know we're looking for areas of negotiation to make it palatable for everyone and that's

[1:20:10] Voice 13: that would be enough to but i don't

[1:20:14] Voice 11: want to but try to say that that was that was basically

[1:20:17] Voice 11: but the more i looked outside and it was very bad i just couldn't see that even if we put those

[1:20:26] Voice 11: privilege and saying it's still a

[1:20:28] Voice 10: little swine issues okay

[1:20:30] Voice 7: so

[1:20:33] Voice 13: i think on the grounds of cumulative

[1:20:35] Voice 13: effects um the fact that there are two operating inns and an existing uh legal temporary use

[1:20:44] Voice 13: permits i'm

[1:20:47] Voice 10: not inclined to prove it either but that's

[1:20:53] Voice 13: if that's yeah i can call the question

[1:20:59] Voice 13: may

[1:20:59] Voice 6: I request that we that you consider a motion to pass one for six months so

[1:21:07] Voice 6: that it expires at the end of the year so that given that our last permit

[1:21:12] Voice 6: expired at the end of May we cancel all of our June rentals and so we do have

[1:21:17] Voice 6: people booked for the rest of the summer that I would prefer not to cancel given

[1:21:22] Voice 6: that that's often many people's one family holiday would you consider doing

[1:21:26] Voice 6: a six-month permit to see out the rest of the season that's already booked and has been booked

[1:21:32] Voice 6: arguably since january february march at the latest

[1:21:38] Voice 13: so

[1:21:40] Voice 11: how would how would that motion be

[1:21:46] Voice 11: Bruce if you were to go to the end of I

[1:21:49] Trustee Maude: think you just have

[1:21:49] Voice 11: to defeat that yeah

[1:21:51] Trustee Maude: so we have to defeat

[1:21:52] Trustee Maude: the existing motion be defeated and then change

[1:21:54] Voice 11: the conditions to

[1:21:55] Trustee Maude: six months to

[1:21:57] Voice 11: add one family

[1:21:58] Voice 11: and not I think that's that's the events of the request so I'm happy to defeat this and then

[1:22:05] Voice 11: based on the fact that all the information we had when you applied we didn't count okay

[1:22:15] Voice 13: so I'll

[1:22:16] Voice 13: call the question. All those in favor that the main island

[1:22:18] Voice 13: local trust committee does not approve issuance of temporary

[1:22:21] Voice 13: use permit PLT 260124 for a period of three years. All in

[1:22:29] Voice 13: favor? Any opposed? And that is defeated. So you just be with

[1:22:37] Voice 13: approved in your area for

[1:22:39] Voice 11: a period of six months and switching runs from the end of the runs from

[1:22:44] Voice 11: the end of running runs to the end of October

[1:22:47] Voice 13: for the effect of yeah

[1:22:52] Voice 10: just your answer is

[1:22:54] Voice 10: can you

[1:23:06] Voice 13: please be quiet

[1:23:09] Voice 13: the end of july to october just go from

[1:23:13] Voice 10: now until a second right six months six months yeah

[1:23:18] Trustee Maude: but bruce did ask for a date so it's like december 31st

[1:23:22] Trustee Maude: but the

[1:23:24] Voice 11: permit never went past october so that's what june 16th

[1:23:28] Voice 10: uh well i think that 30 days for

[1:23:30] Voice 10: the 30 oh yeah okay so it should december 31st yeah thank

[1:23:36] Voice 11: you okay so i move that the main uh

[1:23:38] Voice 11: local trust committee approvals of temporary use permit what about the number does it have to change

[1:23:45] Voice 11: no

[1:23:45] Voice 10: it would be the same and then i would just say for a period of six months okay

[1:23:50] Voice 10: ending december

[1:23:51] Voice 10: 31st yeah okay

[1:23:54] Voice 11: sure tup 2026 0124 for a period of six months ending december 31st

[1:24:02] Voice 11: 2026.

[1:24:04] Voice 13: Moved? Nope.

[1:24:05] Voice 11: Yep.

[1:24:07] Voice 13: Seconded by Trustee Maude.

[1:24:09] Voice 13: Any discussion?

[1:24:12] Voice 13: Attempting to strike a balance between

[1:24:14] Voice 13: the efforts that you

[1:24:16] Voice 13: have put in and respecting the fact that

[1:24:18] Voice 13: there is an application process.

[1:24:21] Voice 13: However,

[1:24:22] Voice 13: I think the message from the community

[1:24:24] Voice 13: is clear that this type of

[1:24:26] Voice 13: variance of the uses

[1:24:28] Voice 13: is creating

[1:24:30] Voice 13: a lot of

[1:24:32] Voice 13: conflict and it might not be best to continue past this year or so uh all those in favor

[1:24:40] Voice 13: not as carried thank you everyone for coming out today

[1:24:44] Voice 12: thank you for your question about

[1:24:45] Voice 12: education or

[1:24:46] Voice 12: is it full six months unlimited until the

[1:24:49] Voice 12: end no it's still the same terms

[1:24:51] Voice 12: and conditions 60 days in the third year thank

[1:24:55] Voice 11: you but it's also based on the fact that they're

[1:24:58] Voice 11: already in place that could have expectations of it and i think the other message is i mean if there

[1:25:05] Voice 11: are issues whoever your contact person is or amber hearse i think you know it has to be kind of a

[1:25:13] Voice 11: more communication so that you get through this next through the summer without any major hassles

[1:25:22] Voice 11: and you know same for guests coming in they need to understand that they are in a residential area

[1:25:27] Voice 11: I mean, I can imagine what happens when people arrive here.

[1:25:32] Voice 11: It's exciting to me.

[1:25:34] Voice 11: I know it will be difficult.

[1:25:39] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:25:39] Voice 13: Thank you, everyone.

[1:25:41] Voice 13: We'll carry on with our agenda.

[1:25:44] Voice 13: If you need to carry on with your day, please feel free.

[1:25:56] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:25:57] Voice 13: So we're in a minute.

[1:26:01] Voice 5: You

[1:26:01] Voice 13: can leave the chairs.

[1:26:02] Voice 13: We'll clean up.

[1:26:03] Voice 13: It's 11.

[1:26:06] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:26:26] Voice 7: So we'll move on to

[1:26:29] Voice 7: 11

[1:26:29] Voice 13: .7

[1:26:31] Voice 13: then the rezoning

[1:26:33] Voice 13: 1-2-5-0-3-0-5

[1:26:38] Voice 13: Village Bay

[1:26:40] Voice 13: for adoption

[1:26:41] Voice 13: page 37.

[1:26:46] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:26:47] Voice 13: The important thing.

[1:26:49] Voice 13: Bruce?

[1:26:50] Voice 10: Yes, so this is just the

[1:26:53] Voice 10: summary next steps

[1:26:55] Voice 10: for the

[1:26:56] Voice 10: Bay Island

[1:26:59] Voice 10: Amendment Bylaw

[1:27:01] Voice 10: Law number 200 for Abandoned By-law number 2.25 for By-law 200 regarding the BC Berries

[1:27:09] Voice 10: rezoning. So following the January meeting, it was forwarded to the executive committee

[1:27:19] Voice 10: where it was approved on June 3rd. So this is now up to the final step for adoption.

[1:27:28] Voice 10: So if you have any questions, I can answer them.

[1:27:32] Voice 10: That's pretty straightforward.

[1:27:34] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:27:36] Voice 13: Looking for a motion.

[1:27:39] Trustee Maude: I'll move the Maine Island Trust Committee bylaw number 200,

[1:27:42] Trustee Maude: such as Maine Island land use bylaw number 146-2008,

[1:27:46] Trustee Maude: amendment number 2-2025 be adopted.

[1:27:48] Trustee Maude: I'll second that.

[1:27:49] Voice 13: If you seconded any discussion, all those in favor?

[1:27:53] Voice 13: That is carried.

[1:27:54] Voice 13: So they .

[1:27:56] Voice 13: Yeah.

[1:27:56] Voice 13: yeah they're in the cherry well yeah that was a long process too yeah yeah um so 11.2 and they

[1:28:05] Voice 11: had a temporary use permit before they got yeah

[1:28:09] Voice 13: 11.8 we've got a dvp uh under um the applicant

[1:28:16] Voice 13: and we can turn it over to bruce thank you

[1:28:19] Voice 10: um yeah so

[1:28:20] Voice 10: this is a new development variance permit

[1:28:23] Voice 10: permit application that

[1:28:24] Voice 10: was submitted following violent enforcement action related to a CRE

[1:28:30] Voice 10: deferral with concerns surrounding the siting of the deck within the exterior lot line setback

[1:28:38] Voice 10: at Thornton Drive Victor Road.

[1:28:42] Voice 10: So the applicant's rationale is that they're extending or replacing the existing decks

[1:28:52] Voice 10: decks that based on the house's location on the lot, which is right along the exterior

[1:28:58] Voice 10: side lot line setback, that the decks would follow their existing positioning and they

[1:29:10] Voice 10: would just be replaced and it includes variances for the one existing entry which is right

[1:29:20] Voice 10: along the lot line, which is bordering on the Victor Road right of way, which is a roadway

[1:29:30] part right there.

[1:29:31] But it doesn't extend fully to the natural boundary of the sea.

[1:29:37] And also

[1:29:38] Voice 10: for the proposed upper and lower decks with the exterior lot line and then

[1:29:46] Voice 10: And then additionally, there's new stairs being projected, which come off of the lower

[1:29:51] Voice 10: deck down into the yard.

[1:29:55] Voice 10: They're identified as foreshore stairs, but they don't extend into the yard.

[1:30:00] Voice 10: So that varies. It's just they're all for the exterior side of the property.

[1:30:05] Voice 13: Exterior side?

[1:30:07] Voice 10: Yeah. And following the circulation, we received one letter of support from the neighbor to the west,

[1:30:21] Voice 10: which is the neighbor would be most impacted given that they share the Victor Road access,

[1:30:28] Voice 10: that they only take properties on Victor Road, and there was no other lenders received regarding

[1:30:39] Voice 10: the application.

[1:30:43] Voice 10: And staff considered that the rationale for requesting the variance is reasonable on the basis of

[1:30:48] Voice 10: legalizing the existing siting and allowing the replacement and instruction of the other structures

[1:30:56] Voice 10: consistent with the existing projections into the setback and variance would not result in impacts

[1:31:03] Voice 10: to the views of neighboring properties or hazards related to proximity to the public

[1:31:13] and uh yeah based on that review staff uh recommend that

[1:31:18] Voice 10: you may now look with us to

[1:31:20] Voice 10: many presentations i'll develop the parents for the qlp 2026 zero two one nine

[1:31:31] Voice 11: request

[1:31:32] Voice 10: victor road goes right to the waterfront it does go right to the waterfront what i was

[1:31:36] Voice 10: was meaning was that it isn't fully uh developed the road is developed yeah no

[1:31:42] Voice 10: it's just a very

[1:31:43] Voice 11: rough actually to the beach but it is there yeah and nothing that we are approving actually goes

[1:31:50] Voice 11: encroaches into victory that's

[1:31:52] Voice 10: right so there is a projection of part of the entry deck that

[1:31:56] Voice 10: it was actually over the lot line but that portion wouldn't be considered in this application that

[1:32:02] Voice 10: would need to be figured out through a ministry of transportation right so so so

[1:32:08] Voice 11: it's the ministry

[1:32:09] Voice 11: of approved they would have sold jurisdiction in order to prove that replacement of that pathway

[1:32:16] Voice 11: that is in their property right right so we're just a city in limbo at this point

[1:32:22] Voice 11: so

[1:32:25] Voice 13: yeah my question was marked to the natural boundary of the sea set back the proposed foreshare

[1:32:34] Voice 13: I'm just not clear. The red part that you have on page 57, it's going to be extended

[1:32:45] Voice 13: to the natural boundary setback? Or the stairs

[1:32:50] Voice 13: that are there

[1:32:51] Voice 10: is all that's...

[1:32:52] Voice 10: So the stairs, the variance with stairs is still for the exterior side lot line. And

[1:33:00] Voice 10: And they extend, see there there's a 25 foot natural boundary setback there that

[1:33:06] Voice 10: the stairs just about enough to, but actually within the bylaw, you're allowed to have stairs with a natural boundary setback, but these don't actually extend into that area.

[1:33:20] Voice 10: Got it. Okay.

[1:33:21] Voice 10: Okay, so, and if you see on the pictures, I guess the best picture is the first photo

[1:33:36] Voice 10: on page 53.

[1:33:40] Voice 10: So that, you can see the footing down, that's sort of, I believe is sort of the end point

[1:33:51] Voice 10: go to the other stairs so it's not so

[1:33:56] Voice 11: the deck is not so the deck is not it's just the stairs

[1:33:58] Voice 11: would go up but you don't have and the existing deck is just to go back there so this the existing

[1:34:04] Voice 11: deck change are there so there isn't it's going to be a bigger deck than the gold deck but it's

[1:34:09] Voice 11: not in it. So all on the website, I'm sorry,

[1:34:19] Voice 13: that's it for my questions. I do know we have

[1:34:25] Voice 13: an applicant here. So if you have the opportunity to ask an application or answer questions.

[1:34:32] Voice 3: Yeah, I was, again, kind of, I met this lady yesterday and explained, obviously,

[1:34:39] Voice 3: kind of the

[1:34:39] Voice 10: rationale behind what I spoke to you which is well as well at times and it's more just

[1:34:44] Voice 10: to keep the integrity of where the existing deck was it's just that the setback is in relation to

[1:34:51] Voice 10: where the house was originally built and where the decks were built it's like very difficult to

[1:34:56] Voice 10: work with all the setbacks because the existing house is kind of set back if that makes sense

[1:35:04] Voice 10: security. So it's kind of quite tricky

[1:35:07] Voice 7: to

[1:35:08] Voice 10: go around about when the 545 will be. The entry

[1:35:12] Voice 10: deck we like because that's what was existing. So like this here is actually rather

[1:35:18] Voice 11: rough eventually

[1:35:21] Voice 11: either it could be moved somewhere else it's not being changed very much at this point.

[1:35:26] Voice 7: Right so

[1:35:27] Voice 11: there's no way that's nothing's

[1:35:29] Voice 7: going to change on

[1:35:29] Voice 11: that pre-existing non-committed.

[1:35:32] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:35:33] Voice 10: Upstairs allows you to go downstairs to get access down to the wall, so you can get access

[1:35:40] Voice 10: down that way.

[1:35:42] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:35:43] Voice 10: Upstairs.

[1:35:44] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:35:45] Voice 10: Mm-hmm.

[1:35:47] Voice 11: That's just all the decking, maybe.

[1:35:49] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:35:50] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:35:52] Voice 11: And they didn't tear it down like this.

[1:35:57] Voice 11: Repurposed.

[1:35:58] Voice 11: It's done.

[1:35:59] Voice 13: Right.

[1:35:59] Voice 13: Randy?

[1:36:00] Voice 13: Do you have any questions?

[1:36:01] Trustee Maude: No.

[1:36:01] Trustee Maude: well it is to me this is a good old-fashioned traditional golf balance work

[1:36:06] Voice 13: around one

[1:36:07] Trustee Maude: variance because you know i i don't know how many times we come across these things where people put

[1:36:13] Trustee Maude: things where they thought was the right spot and then some damn surveyor shows up and goes uh-oh

[1:36:19] Trustee Maude: uh we they i think on the local trust committee meetings we don't deal with every meeting but you

[1:36:25] Trustee Maude: know like you and i get around quite a bit and it's like every couple of months there's somebody

[1:36:30] Trustee Maude: got a similar one we just did one at Denman where somebody built a garage like 40 years ago on the

[1:36:36] Trustee Maude: property line and it's like they have 10 and a half acres and and just when they haven't been

[1:36:43] Trustee Maude: built in the garage somebody just said that looks like a good spot no and nobody got a survey never

[1:36:47] Trustee Maude: got anything we had an instance over by the church center where the three houses beyond the church

[1:36:53] Trustee Maude: they were all built over the lot line of every property and and the church like you know was

[1:37:00] Trustee Maude: very generous and gave when they get 15 feet of the church property what

[1:37:04] Voice 11: do you mean when they

[1:37:04] Voice 11: started once you do a subdivision line here you discovered yeah so

[1:37:09] Trustee Maude: they so everybody did a lot

[1:37:10] Trustee Maude: line adjustment between themselves to make it work so this is really unfortunately not unusual this

[1:37:17] Trustee Maude: is it as noted you know it's at the end of a road with with two properties so your neighbor's happy

[1:37:25] Trustee Maude: which is a good thing i just i see no reason not to approve this thank you thank you

[1:37:34] Voice 11: i'll move that the main local trust committee approve issuance of development variance permit

[1:37:40] Voice 11: pl dvp 2026 oh two one oh

[1:37:45] Voice 13: second trustee um had some discussion any further discussion

[1:37:53] Voice 13: I'm in favour. It seems to be a very onerous process to get a deck built, but as you've

[1:38:03] Voice 13: said, that is often the case here, so I appreciate you going through the process with us. All

[1:38:09] Voice 13: in favour? That is carried. Thank you.

[1:38:11] Voice 7: So we have the

[1:38:12] Voice 13: permit and the planner will be in touch.

[1:38:14] Voice 13: Thank you. Okay, so we are moving on to, thanks for

[1:38:21] Voice 13: sharing um our work program report i actually wanted to have a little bit of a discussion here

[1:38:29] Voice 13: on the future project list uh we might consider giving some direction to staff

[1:38:36] Voice 13: um yeah so just on the future projects reports what i was thinking is if we could have a little

[1:38:48] Voice 13: discussion on priorities um what is in scope for the ltc as a minor project what might be a major

[1:38:58] Voice 13: project and what is what are projects or needs in the community that are really trust area services

[1:39:04] Voice 13: or communications or education related um and maybe we can reorganize this report or ask the

[1:39:11] Voice 13: planner to bring back some options for next meeting because that'll be our last local trust

[1:39:17] Voice 13: committee meeting this this term and my thinking is if we can give the next incoming trust committee

[1:39:24] Voice 13: some idea of either the rationale for why these projects are highlighted or just have discussion

[1:39:32] Voice 13: now and remove some or change them so that there's a bit of a list that's apparent and you know in

[1:39:43] Voice 13: our ability to execute and then we need to do a business case for a major project that reasoning

[1:39:50] Voice 13: is there so

[1:39:52] Voice 11: like i still think our biggest issue is for sure and so mean that they were

[1:39:59] Voice 11: i don't know that that's a major project but right now well we have a lot of a lot of

[1:40:05] Voice 11: influence in the for sure most of our community would be totally angry that that's an issue

[1:40:11] Voice 11: would stay with the dogs in the day issue so i don't know that's just

[1:40:16] Trustee Maude: waiting for that because

[1:40:17] Trustee Maude: um it was suggested that was a regional issue that there was going to be like a bigger file

[1:40:23] Trustee Maude: that we could do rather than each one doing individual i i totally agree like if it was

[1:40:27] Trustee Maude: up to me i said it's number one priority but we're kind of from planning staff we got the guidance

[1:40:33] Trustee Maude: saying you know maybe you should wait and see what other people do right right but i'm very happy to

[1:40:38] Trustee Maude: be the first well

[1:40:39] Voice 13: or maybe not to initiate a project but actually signal to regional planning

[1:40:43] Voice 13: committee or to trust council that this is an issue for main island and probably you know here's

[1:40:50] Voice 13: our concerns here's how we're impacting that so that it's not we're not just silent on it saying

[1:40:56] Voice 13: yeah it's an issue but we'll wait till regional planning committee gives it up so that would be

[1:41:01] Voice 13: I'm making on that and then the groundwater cistern implementation that was sort of a follow-along of

[1:41:10] Voice 13: the whole housing options project because we added cistern the requirement the requirement

[1:41:19] Voice 13: but there was a lot of not lack of understanding of you know what could we regulate in terms of

[1:41:27] Voice 13: quality water quality you know it's not used for household or garden use um and that's kind of a

[1:41:35] Voice 13: planning slash communication sort of piece and then first nation reserve land access to water

[1:41:47] Voice 7: so something

[1:41:55] Voice 11: we have issues with

[1:41:56] Voice 11: block to block coverage maximums we're almost in building so that would be really

[1:42:03] Trustee Maude: i don't know

[1:42:04] Voice 11: where

[1:42:04] Trustee Maude: that is why i just wonder was that me babbling on about accessory buildings we don't

[1:42:09] Trustee Maude: limit sizes of accessory buildings we

[1:42:14] Voice 11: limit the number you're right we have flat out broad coverage

[1:42:17] Voice 11: 20 for 20 percent and then we have how many structures you can have some accessories but

[1:42:22] Trustee Maude: you've got 10 acres you can put walmart in yeah

[1:42:25] Voice 11: yeah but

[1:42:26] Trustee Maude: i think i i'm just looking at this yeah

[1:42:30] Trustee Maude: um well um i'm wondering if that's what that is because i had

[1:42:34] Trustee Maude: expressed a concern that we don't

[1:42:35] Trustee Maude: cap in any way no

[1:42:37] Voice 11: no we should really have a concept of a maximum for it

[1:42:42] Voice 11: but first of all yeah he's got some better

[1:42:46] Voice 10: it's go more practical um so you were saying this is

[1:42:53] Voice 10: Because there is a maximum, like, total number of accessory buildings.

[1:42:58] Trustee Maude: For square footage, with accessory buildings, we have a cap. We save for houses, we save

[1:43:05] Trustee Maude: for all sorts of things, but accessory buildings, we're silent on the maximum size.

[1:43:10] Trustee Maude: I see. So they would be included in lot coverage.

[1:43:14] Trustee Maude: If you have a big lot, pretty massive, like 30% of an acre is pretty big.

[1:43:24] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:43:25] Voice 11: We can throw house size in here and cut a real fine line.

[1:43:28] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:43:29] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:43:30] Trustee Maude: We haven't done that yet.

[1:43:33] Trustee Maude: But we touched on it because with complex

[1:43:35] Trustee Maude: housing and all that, we have done some capping.

[1:43:38] Trustee Maude: And the protection of heritage structures, I think that was more of a discussion of more

[1:43:45] Trustee Maude: um because protection comes with with costs

[1:43:48] Voice 7: um

[1:43:49] Trustee Maude: like so we couldn't say something like this

[1:43:52] Trustee Maude: building designated and put all the you can't do anything to it without money being attached to it

[1:43:58] Trustee Maude: but acknowledging because there are several heritage structures on this island that are not

[1:44:02] Trustee Maude: recognized whatsoever oh i know

[1:44:04] Voice 13: but that you can create a register i believe the local government

[1:44:10] Voice 13: can create a heritage yeah

[1:44:12] Trustee Maude: so i think that's where that was landing and

[1:44:15] Voice 13: that is that that

[1:44:17] Voice 13: could be a project actually including first nations heritage areas um so that that's an

[1:44:26] Voice 13: interesting potential project what was number six revised full occupation regulations with

[1:44:31] Voice 13: which was contracted. Yes. Oh, we've been advised that we

[1:44:34] Voice 11: had endlessly. I

[1:44:35] Voice 11: think. No, because I think we still have a

[1:44:40] Voice 11: kind of gray area between them. Like the last issue we've been

[1:44:45] Voice 11: having.

[1:44:49] Trustee Maude: And I think also clarifying that. I think the thought process

[1:44:54] Trustee Maude: was is that home occupations intended for the homeowner?

[1:44:57] Trustee Maude: yeah

[1:44:58] Voice 11: that was

[1:44:59] Trustee Maude: the key that was oh

[1:45:00] Voice 11: yeah really should i i just rent out my backyard to a well

[1:45:06] Voice 11: versus somebody who lives well and that's a problem right now home occupation doesn't say

[1:45:12] Trustee Maude: at least

[1:45:14] Voice 11: a resident not necessarily a landowner i always cite the aliyah who have an incredible

[1:45:21] Voice 11: operation in a very small residence, but they don't actually own it. Where somebody else comes in who doesn't, it could change the development of the business.

[1:45:35] Trustee Maude: Because I think that's the most important is the distinction that home occupation is for the homeowner.

[1:45:42] Trustee Maude: Or actually not necessarily the owner, but the occupant of the property. Not kind of this subletting type of situation.

[1:45:49] Trustee Maude: so

[1:45:50] Voice 13: four and six relate to land use bylaw yeah thanks everyone for attending forensics are

[1:45:56] Voice 13: specifically land use bylaw related and could be undertaken as a minor project one two three

[1:46:06] Voice 13: are more well three is first nations sort of communication i don't think that's something

[1:46:15] Voice 13: in the LTC could

[1:46:17] Voice 7: direct or

[1:46:18] Voice 13: could we? Our line runs right to south of the reserve.

[1:46:25] Voice 13: We

[1:46:25] Trustee Maude: have no jurisdiction at all to sort of enable or disable.

[1:46:29] Voice 13: Well no it's access

[1:46:30] Trustee Maude: so it's like it

[1:46:32] Voice 11: would be like that would be

[1:46:34] Voice 11: possible it came out of an

[1:46:37] Voice 11: interview some time ago and where the soil of the reserve there was an expression that

[1:46:43] Voice 11: I mean if there were if there was power of water or research something like choose then to live on

[1:46:52] Voice 11: but that we can't we can't do

[1:46:53] Voice 5: anything about that

[1:46:54] Voice 11: so and the rest of the research is kind of looking

[1:46:59] Voice 11: at that when we were looking at properties to habitat humanity yes and they

[1:47:03] Voice 11: wouldn't be a

[1:47:04] Voice 11: join me if they were joining the preserved lands then we could also build in access

[1:47:12] Voice 11: So it's a general policy that if you were given an opportunity, that was the idea. Any

[1:47:23] Voice 11: non-reserve land, adjoining reserve land, any changes in zoning there should enable

[1:47:41] Voice 10: So

[1:47:43] Trustee Maude: are you attending us just to sort of come

[1:47:45] Trustee Maude: back in September and deal with it or do you

[1:47:48] Trustee Maude: want to finish things out?

[1:47:49] Voice 13: We don't necessarily have to deal with it today, although if you want to get something

[1:47:56] Voice 13: on the Trust Council agenda, for instance that the main local trust committee indicates

[1:48:02] Voice 13: case to trust council that a project to provide education on

[1:48:07] Voice 13: foreshore uses and review policy and zoning regulations for

[1:48:12] Voice 13: foreshore marine uses would be, you know, very pertinent for

[1:48:18] Voice 13: this community, then staff could do some work on it and see where

[1:48:22] Voice 13: the director where it fits in the work plan. So at least it

[1:48:27] Voice 13: would be raised. And

[1:48:29] Voice 11: then I think

[1:48:29] Voice 13: the other ones are kind

[1:48:30] Voice 13: of that

[1:48:30] Voice 11: that's a big one because at this point we don't have dogs or floats within like we say

[1:48:38] Voice 11: we have conservation areas where you can have anything in the areas where you can but we don't

[1:48:44] Voice 11: specifically look at people actually and we

[1:48:47] Voice 11: have a number of bays with dogs and a hatch to release

[1:48:51] Voice 11: and so we need to find the balance between which ones should have any whether we have

[1:48:58] Trustee Maude: I think that was sort of the initiation of this, is that basically we do not address that at all, because it's not addressed, it's not permitted.

[1:49:06] Trustee Maude: So there are a whole bunch of stuff that we need to sort of figure out.

[1:49:10] Voice 11: And we have something that I'm saying, but so far, nobody's complaining about it yet.

[1:49:17] Trustee Maude: So, yeah, it's a really, it's a strong, really good topic.

[1:49:21] Trustee Maude: I definitely agree.

[1:49:23] Trustee Maude: It's the number one priority.

[1:49:24] Trustee Maude: I'd love to do something.

[1:49:25] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:49:25] Voice 7: But

[1:49:26] Trustee Maude: the thing is, is that I don't, I just recalling the planner advice previously is that they don't want us to address it like TLC, they

[1:49:35] Trustee Maude: want sort of a group to sort of figure out. So, yeah, certainly that emotion to trust council.

[1:49:42] Trustee Maude: so

[1:49:42] Voice 7: if

[1:49:43] Trustee Maude: that's the direction I guess

[1:49:44] Voice 7: because

[1:49:46] Trustee Maude: I wish we had been able to think about because it'd be

[1:49:50] Trustee Maude: worthwhile to talk to director Cermak to say look how do we frame this to move this forward

[1:49:56] Trustee Maude: because I think we're guessing at a bunch of stuff

[1:49:58] Voice 13: here we can request that the director's planning

[1:50:01] Voice 13: name yeah

[1:50:01] Voice 13: um under well scope out or provide advice on education on foreshore uses and a

[1:50:14] Voice 13: potential project to review policy and zoning regulations for three uses and then the director

[1:50:19] Voice 13: can do what he wants to do

[1:50:21] Trustee Maude: request

[1:50:24] Voice 13: staff i guess so

[1:50:27] Trustee Maude: you'll send that to lisa yeah okay

[1:50:29] Voice 13: so anything

[1:50:31] Voice 13: Is there anything else that, because you could also request any of these to be sent to town,

[1:50:36] Voice 13: like the need for First Nation reserve land access to water and color?

[1:50:42] Voice 13: I don't know if that's...

[1:50:44] Voice 11: So

[1:50:44] Trustee Maude: I'd almost be tempted to drop that one.

[1:50:46] Voice 11: Well it's not, it's not the top of the list, it's not likely that we're going to get that

[1:50:50] Voice 11: opportunity.

[1:50:51] Voice 11: But definitely the issue of the size of accessories, building size, rather than log coverage, the

[1:51:00] Voice 11: actual size.

[1:51:01] Voice 11: is

[1:51:03] Voice 10: and and

[1:51:05] Voice 11: the home occupation language those are really important so

[1:51:12] Voice 13: the home occupation those are

[1:51:13] Voice 13: like so you could condense those into one and say larger bylaw with these two items

[1:51:21] Voice 13: what perhaps he could do with planner belcher is in the meantime just clarify the issues

[1:51:28] Voice 13: issues, so that he can bring back a report on, you know, and then we can update the list.

[1:51:38] Trustee Maude: So individually we'll work with the planner to sort of say what's on our individual radar.

[1:51:43] Trustee Maude: I

[1:51:43] Voice 13: think flesh out sort of what's here, what's, and we can reorder and consider that at the

[1:51:48] Voice 13: next meeting.

[1:51:49] Voice 13: Okay, so let me click this down,

[1:51:52] Voice 7: options, education.

[1:52:32] Voice 7: I can open it.

[1:52:35] Voice 7: Pardon the bad.

[1:52:54] Voice 7: I'm glad that's still a

[1:52:56] Voice 13: top project.

[1:52:58] Voice 13: So Lisa, I just sent you that motion.

[1:53:03] Voice 13: There.

[1:53:03] Voice 13: there that the main island local trust committee requests staff to provide options for education

[1:53:11] Voice 13: in the trust area specifically on foreshore uses and potentially towards reviewing policy

[1:53:17] Voice 13: and zoning regulations for foreshore and marine uses in the trust area second

[1:53:25] Trustee Maude: let's be moved second

[1:53:28] Voice 13: lisa are you uh you're good with this chair

[1:53:33] Voice 1: elliott i received that thank you okay excellent

[1:53:36] Voice 13: uh and i think i changed the word potentially towards reviewing policy and zoning regulations

[1:53:43] Voice 13: but whatever you think is best wording worded for that but it's been seconded okay

[1:53:50] Voice 13: all those in favor that is carried excellent okay and then do we want to request that the

[1:53:59] Voice 13: trustees work with the or do you just can we just do that um

[1:54:10] Voice 13: That staff work with local trustees to identify, yeah, needed changes or amendments to the

[1:54:26] Voice 13: building.

[1:54:28] Voice 13: Well, we could just say related to the future project report.

[1:54:33] Voice 13: report. So we say that the Maynard Local Trust Committee requests staff to work with local

[1:54:43] Voice 13: trustees to identify and clarify potential amendments to the land use bylaw and projects

[1:55:04] Voice 13: projects identified in the future projects report for next meeting is that okay lisa

[1:55:13] Voice 13: i can

[1:55:16] Voice 1: read it back to you if you like yes please that the main island local trust committee request

[1:55:22] Voice 1: staff work with local trustees to identify and clarify potential amendments to the land use bylaw

[1:55:27] Voice 1: and projects identified in the future projects report for the next meeting

[1:55:33] Voice 1: Thank

[1:55:35] Voice 13: you. You're amazing. Excellent. Move to by the second. Seconded by Trustee Vaughn.

[1:55:40] Voice 13: Any discussion? All those in favor? That is carried. Thank you. That helps.

[1:55:47] Trustee Maude: Somehow I don't think AI is ever going to replace it.

[1:55:51] Voice 13: No, AI does not replace our people.

[1:55:54] Voice 13: No.

[1:55:56] Voice 13: Okay. So now we're into our applications report that is attached.

[1:56:00] Voice 13: the trustee and local expense report on page 64 i just wanted to share adopted of connected to

[1:56:10] Voice 13: your adopted policies and standing resolutions um 13.4 the standing resolution to you know once

[1:56:19] Voice 13: annually write letters to first nations uh inviting elders from local first nations to attend

[1:56:27] Voice 13: some of these you know all of these were put on LTC agendas as standing resolutions because we

[1:56:35] Voice 13: didn't really have a work program for that and so I just wanted to let the public know that the

[1:56:42] Voice 13: Indigenous Relations Action Plan has been approved by Trust Council so this is effective

[1:56:48] Voice 13: perspective now until 2028 and included in that is some consideration to address what we're trying

[1:56:58] Voice 13: to address in the standing resolution and then we'll see this probably removed because it's not

[1:57:03] Voice 13: really in the power of local trust committees to do this so staff have heard that and it's

[1:57:09] Voice 13: in the plan to basically work on all these initiatives and probably see the removal of

[1:57:16] Voice 13: this in a responsible non like not gonna raise alarm bells way that we're not doing uh due

[1:57:24] Voice 13: diligence but um it's carried forward to the plan so um so i'll give a brief chair's report and

[1:57:32] Voice 13: then turn to local trustees so trust council met uh for our quarterly meeting just in just last

[1:57:40] Voice 13: week or two weeks ago june 16th 14 15 16. uh it was all electronic um disappointingly

[1:57:50] Voice 13: sparse attendance from from trustees it was sort of in and out and i think that's something that um

[1:57:56] Voice 13: executive committee will certainly be discussing at our next meeting uh how to ensure that

[1:58:01] Voice 13: attendance during a debate of emotion and not just for the motion itself is uh is upheld but

[1:58:11] Voice 13: we had really we moved a lot of um perhaps where i'm just trying to get my notes here there we go

[1:58:18] Voice 13: um staff uh include a lot of information uh as we're preparing for local elections coming up in

[1:58:26] Voice 13: um september till of course october uh so there's election agreements with regional districts that

[1:58:33] Voice 13: was approved there's a continuous learning plan for trustees we looked at and a really updated

[1:58:39] Voice 13: orientation package that um the ceo with a working group has been working on and so that

[1:58:45] Voice 13: i mean i wish i'd had that package when i got this but it's gonna just keep improving um

[1:58:53] Voice 13: we did approve the indigenous relations action plan related to that was the first nation's

[1:58:58] Voice 13: referral procedures update and a work plan so that is a big piece of work that sort of

[1:59:06] Voice 13: you know staff are we are learning at all different uh levels and contexts of how

[1:59:13] Voice 13: if anything needs to change how that needs to change and how to do it while notifying all

[1:59:19] Voice 13: stakeholders and applicants of residents so that's really really important work we've waited for this

[1:59:26] Voice 13: update for quite a while and then policy statement um there wasn't a lot of this well there was

[1:59:32] Voice 13: discussion on it um the current feedback from the ministry of housing municipal affairs is that uh

[1:59:42] Voice 13: it's not going to be able to review even if we adopted a draft tomorrow uh it would probably

[1:59:49] Voice 13: take a year to review and the ministry is expecting very strong uh information on the

[2:00:01] Voice 13: feedback with with First Nations and the conversation and that is still ongoing so

[2:00:05] Voice 13: staff have provided provided a revised charter that will extend the estimated completion date

[2:00:12] Voice 13: to 2029 although likely will be finished in advance of that date but there is still a lot

[2:00:19] Voice 13: of work happening we saw a draft companion handbook which I think is really interesting

[2:00:25] Voice 13: in terms of the types of potential policies you want to see in your OCP,

[2:00:30] Voice 13: if this direction of the policy statement is adopted in a draft implementation plan.

[2:00:35] Voice 13: And we also have a lot of referral information from various ministries.

[2:00:40] Voice 13: So we can do some work, but it's not possible to complete the policy statement in this term.

[2:00:49] Voice 13: That's it for my chair's report.

[2:00:51] Voice 13: Who are the trustees?

[2:00:54] Trustee Maude: Well, it's been fun.

[2:00:56] Voice 7: yeah

[2:00:57] Trustee Maude: it's well you know the last couple months man it's blooming um what's going on unfortunately

[2:01:04] Trustee Maude: part of the blooming is the blooming of the deer oh my goodness there's so many little ones

[2:01:10] Trustee Maude: it is beautiful it is cute it is wonderful and it's pending doom so i just i feel for

[2:01:18] Trustee Maude: trusty dogs and all the initiatives her and her group to get something done my grandson's very

[2:01:25] Voice 13: Yes,

[2:01:26] Trustee Maude: and her family for their contributions, but it's definitely tough.

[2:01:34] Trustee Maude: I think the other thing I wanted to sort of touch on is last week we had a long-term resident of Maine Island, Moe McLeod, passed away.

[2:01:44] Trustee Maude: He and his wife, he was pre-assessed by his wife Sharon. They were main island community

[2:01:51] Trustee Maude: sort of poster children as they were involved in main island parks, Lions Club,

[2:01:58] Trustee Maude: every community effort that ever happened here like for 40 years.

[2:02:01] Voice 10: Life as they lived out here.

[2:02:02] Trustee Maude: Yeah, they're just an amazing couple that contributed so much positivity to this community.

[2:02:08] Trustee Maude: community. We always say they will be missed. This is one of those exceptional, their contributions

[2:02:16] Trustee Maude: to this island, they will be very much missed. Our condolences to their family. Mo McLeod

[2:02:26] Trustee Maude: and his wife Sharon, she pre-assessed them maybe five or six years ago. But just wonderful,

[2:02:33] Trustee Maude: wonderful people and you know is they're the type of people that build community and make community

[2:02:41] Trustee Maude: and very much so believe in that thank you well

[2:02:47] Voice 11: and they're they're working hard to get finished

[2:02:49] Voice 11: the japanese information board display ramp and all of that that's what's going on it should be

[2:02:55] Voice 11: done for the fall fair which is the church fair it's in july and then a month from that is the

[2:03:00] Voice 11: so busy times ahead a lot of work i'm getting done there main island is again participating

[2:03:06] Voice 11: in purchase of action and i think

[2:03:09] Voice 11: they're still at number two within canada for the for the size

[2:03:12] Voice 11: of community it's prorated um i had way too much company family dear dear dream um but anyhow so i

[2:03:21] Voice 11: didn't get to their final ceremony which was at minor state park yesterday but pretty exciting

[2:03:26] Voice 11: exciting because it brings the entire community it's the little ones and the older ones I can

[2:03:31] Voice 11: contribute my farm chores to the number of hours of excess so this is the second year and they just

[2:03:36] Voice 11: keep in that whole process and worked so hard and got so many people also kudos to them I wish I

[2:03:44] Voice 11: could have gone but there wasn't it I didn't and uh but that's pretty much since Trust Council was

[2:03:50] Voice 11: a little bit overwhelming it was well it was because we had a lot of split votes because we

[2:03:57] Voice 11: had a lot of people who were not were voting as if they weren't voting right so that's a lesson

[2:04:03] Voice 11: learned in terms of if you're there be sure that you're going to vote that you're interacting with

[2:04:08] Voice 11: but lots of especially the policy statement and pamphlet lots of big decisions because this is

[2:04:15] Voice 11: is the end of the term and in all likelihood trust council of 26 will be a substantial number of new

[2:04:22] Voice 11: people will come in um so it's been a busy time genomics is yeah yeah

[2:04:28] Voice 11: yeah yeah and the horses

[2:04:30] Voice 11: it's dry uh the horses are eating way too much hay oh i know

[2:04:37] Voice 5: yeah

[2:04:37] Voice 11: yeah so it's a hard year i don't know how well our farmers have done with their hay crops

[2:04:42] Voice 11: that was so much less rain this spring they wouldn't have the chance the fallow deer yes

[2:04:47] Voice 11: they're out there they're still being tended to but it's an ongoing issue waiting to see what the

[2:04:54] Voice 11: new hunting rates we've been promised a few changes but that will actually happen and we've

[2:05:00] Voice 11: been promised zero money that's very frustrating the

[2:05:05] Voice 13: cross of maine looks like a deer so is this

[2:05:11] Voice 7: meeting over? We

[2:05:12] Voice 13: are close.

[2:05:14] Voice 7: Can I ask a question before

[2:05:16] Voice 13: I can? We'll take a pause. Let me just

[2:05:20] Voice 13: ask your question. Okay.

[2:05:23] Voice 13: It's okay. We have no electoral area directors report. There is a

[2:05:26] Voice 13: substantial report on the Island Trust Conservancy dated March 2026. Good information there.

[2:05:33] Voice 13: No new business. And so I'll just announce at our upcoming meeting

[2:05:38] Voice 13: um or ask a question is there likely to be a lot of business to justify an in-person meeting do we

[2:05:44] Voice 13: want to consider it yeah

[2:05:46] Voice 11: we probably should just do it

[2:05:47] Voice 3: you

[2:05:48] Trustee Maude: don't worry is there any application

[2:05:50] Trustee Maude: spending uh nothing on my radar yeah so

[2:05:59] Voice 13: we could give direction to ask staff to cancel or

[2:06:08] Voice 13: Or convert the meeting to Zoom?

[2:06:11] Voice 13: To Zoom, but if there is

[2:06:13] Voice 13: business to conduct, yes.

[2:06:17] Voice 13: So Lisa, how best could we frame that

[2:06:21] Voice 13: to request you to change the next meeting to Zoom

[2:06:25] Voice 13: and or cancel if there's no business to conduct?

[2:06:32] Voice 1: Oh, Charlie, that's a new one for me.

[2:06:35] Voice 1: It's usually one or the other.

[2:06:37] Voice 1: I want both.

[2:06:38] Voice 7: It's me, I hope.

[2:06:40] Voice 13: Well, what's your preference?

[2:06:42] Voice 13: do you want to cancel and then or do you want to convert it to zoom and then cancel a fictional

[2:06:47] Voice 13: meeting i

[2:06:48] Voice 11: think that's really the best just just

[2:06:49] Voice 10: attention to conversion there's no uh

[2:06:56] Voice 10: there might be application but um yeah currently there's yeah just potentially one and that's the

[2:07:05] Voice 10: the uh 750 steward which is current which was um uh developed from submitted two years ago for

[2:07:16] Voice 10: i can't hear you

[2:07:18] Voice 13: oh it's a steward 750

[2:07:20] Voice 10: steward um steward robert grant

[2:07:24] Voice 10: originally it was very good height variance oh

[2:07:30] Voice 11: that one that's been dragging

[2:07:31] Voice 10: on forever so yeah

[2:07:33] Voice 10: okay

[2:07:33] Voice 11: have a zoom meeting and then okay yeah so

[2:07:36] Voice 13: somebody can make the motion that the next

[2:07:39] Voice 13: regular meeting be scheduled as an electronic meeting right for july 20th 20

[2:07:45] Voice 11: 26. i move that

[2:07:47] Voice 11: the next meeting in the trust committee for july 20th 2026 be an electronic meeting thank you

[2:07:56] Voice 13: moved and seconded any further discussion all those in favor let us carry it thank you so our

[2:08:05] Voice 13: next meeting is scheduled for july 20th 2026 and that will be held electronically unless there is

[2:08:11] Voice 13: no business to conduct it we may cancel by rwm yeah there is a closed meeting we'll take a pause

[2:08:18] Voice 13: uh after that and then we can ask your question okay so

[2:08:22] Trustee Maude: i'll move the meeting be closed public

[2:08:25] Voice 13: We'll make the

[2:08:27] Voice 13: motion, but we'll shut things

[2:08:28] Voice 13: down, yeah.

[2:08:30] Voice 13: The

[2:08:30] Trustee Maude: Postal Public Enforcement Community Charter Part 4, Disp. 3 S. 91 F.

[2:08:36] Trustee Maude: Law enforcement, if the Council considers the disclosure to be reasonably expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under enforcement or enforcement of an enhanced enactment.

[2:08:49] Trustee Maude: Oh my

[2:08:49] Voice 13: god, under an investigation, under way or

[2:08:53] Voice 13: enforcement of an attack.

[2:08:55] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[2:08:56] Voice 13: it looks like there's something...

[2:08:58] Trustee Maude: There's something where she doesn't...

[2:08:59] Trustee Maude: And that the Recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[2:09:02] Voice 13: Seconded.

[2:09:02] Voice 13: Seconded.

[2:09:03] Voice 13: All those in favour?

[2:09:04] Voice 13: That is carried.

[2:09:05] Voice 13: So we're going to shut down the meeting and we will not come back to live.