Thetis Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 13, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 3: Wonderful. Well, here we are. Thank you, folks, for joining us for the final in-person regular business meeting of the Lutskidi Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:13] Voice 3: It is

[0:00:14] Voice 6: Lutskidi

[0:00:16] Voice 3: and coming into a different chance. I'm sorry. I visited like four islands this weekend, so I'm a little confused. Apologies. Let's start again.

[0:00:30] Voice 3: Thank you for joining us for the regular business meeting of the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:36] Voice 3: It is Monday, July 13th, 2026, and we are grateful to be gathering and acknowledging the land and

[0:00:44] Voice 3: waters in which we live, work, and play. Here in the traditional territories of many Coast Salish

[0:00:50] Voice 3: peoples, and here in Thetis Island, we're particularly grateful to be in the territory

[0:00:54] Voice 3: territory of the Argonne Tribes and the Jackson First Nation.

[0:00:59] Voice 3: And so I want to give you my introductions.

[0:01:02] Voice 3: My name is Toby Elliott.

[0:01:04] Voice 3: I'm the chair of the Theatre, Slam, and Local Trust Committee, elected on Gabriel Island.

[0:01:08] Voice 3: With me are your two local trustees, my palman, Ken Hunter, I'm so sorry, I

[0:01:17] Voice 7: might have made

[0:01:17] Voice 7: a blood sound.

[0:01:19] Voice 3: Ken Hunter and Peter Luckerm, together we make up the Theatre, Slam, and Local Trust

[0:01:24] Voice 3: committee would you like to say a few words in introduction that are a little bit more

[0:01:29] Voice 3: um relevant than mine today oh

[0:01:34] Voice 6: sure good morning uh peter welcome um pleasure every day and a joy

[0:01:40] Voice 6: to wake up and work and live in conservative territory here on uh fetus island in the immediate

[0:01:48] Voice 6: at uh lands of the penelope uh action people from belgium and grateful to be here and thank you

[0:01:57] Voice 6: very much

[0:01:59] Voice 4: welcome

[0:02:00] Voice 7: to the final in-person meeting of the at least for this term there will be other

[0:02:07] terms it's been a pleasure to work with uh fellow trustees sometimes

[0:02:14] Voice 7: we disagree sometimes we don't

[0:02:15] Voice 7: So that's the way the process works. Thank you.

[0:02:21] Voice 7: Thank

[0:02:21] Voice 3: you. And we're joined today by staff, in person, Rene Jamarat, a regional planning manager for the Northern Office.

[0:02:30] Voice 3: And online, we are probably joined by Lisa Millard, an intaker and meeting facilitator.

[0:02:38] Voice 3: And so together they'll be answering questions and helping guide us through the process.

[0:02:46] Voice 3: You may have noticed if you came in just a few more notes of introduction before we move

[0:02:51] Voice 3: to approval of agenda.

[0:02:52] Voice 3: As it's just, we have recently republished our meeting forum procedures and expectations.

[0:03:01] Voice 3: It's always a pleasure to engage with the public and we welcome your questions and comments.

[0:03:07] Voice 3: We do need to hear from the community, particularly during the public participation period as

[0:03:13] Voice 3: we make our decisions um and i'll just you know it's it's just because recent events sort of you

[0:03:21] Voice 3: know in british columbia and maybe not particularly here but there's been sort of a rise in um

[0:03:31] Voice 3: in comments that are not constructive or not helpful to our public process and so we want

[0:03:36] Voice 3: to ensure we have a safe and respectful meeting place for all and so we just uh that this is

[0:03:43] Voice 3: published at the front there and i just want to state that we have zero tolerance for bullying

[0:03:48] Voice 3: harassment racism anti-indigenous racism discrimination hate speech and any of that

[0:03:53] Voice 3: and anyone engaging in such behavior will be asked to leave the meeting um and so this has never been

[0:04:00] Voice 3: the case here on thetis we are just sort of setting the tone for all of our meetings uh to ask you to

[0:04:06] Voice 3: focus on issues not personalities direct your comments to the local trust committee as we are

[0:04:11] Voice 3: decision makers, not to one another, allowing others to speak without interruption, keeping

[0:04:17] Voice 3: your tone and language courteous and non-abusive. And so it is in the spirit of reconciliation that

[0:04:25] Voice 3: we strive to host meetings that promote cultural safety, inclusion, and the acknowledgement of

[0:04:31] Voice 3: Indigenous peoples for whom the lands and waters of the Oz Trust area have been at home since time

[0:04:36] Voice 3: and memorial so thank you so much for helping us create that respectful workplace and uh and

[0:04:42] Voice 3: abiding by those expectations uh so we'll move to approval of the agenda are there any changes

[0:04:49] Voice 3: additions or amendments to the agenda for us okay we'll take it by general consent that the agenda

[0:04:56] Voice 3: be adopted as presented and we will move into our report section and so trustees one of you

[0:05:05] Voice 3: to go first

[0:05:07] Voice 3: biblical

[0:05:08] Voice 3: thank you

[0:05:12] Voice 7: um

[0:05:14] Voice 7: yeah as you mentioned this is our last

[0:05:16] Voice 7: meeting together

[0:05:19] and one of

[0:05:21] the big items

[0:05:22] of course in the province in Canada

[0:05:25] around the world is

[0:05:26] reconciliation

[0:05:29] and for me

[0:05:30] I found that I needed to

[0:05:33] understand the past

[0:05:35] a little better so

[0:05:37] So, this book

[0:05:38] Voice 7: here, Unseated, is absolutely, everyone should read this book.

[0:05:45] It's by George Abbott.

[0:05:48] He used to work in the

[0:05:49] Voice 7: government here in BC.

[0:05:51] Voice 7: It's absolutely amazing.

[0:05:53] Voice 7: And this one also by Jim Reynolds.

[0:05:55] Voice 7: It's Canada and colonialism and Anthony's history.

[0:05:59] Voice 7: It's about the British Empire in Africa, India, Australia, all around the world and in Canada and it's very good, very good reading.

[0:06:14] Voice 7: So yeah, that's been my focus because it is one of our leading topics for the trust in general and for local trust committees.

[0:06:26] case. So and also,

[0:06:29] Voice 7: yeah, it's been fun to be here. We'll see

[0:06:33] Voice 7: what happens next term. Thank you.

[0:06:36] Voice 3: Thank you, Ken. These are wonderful recommendations. And

[0:06:42] Voice 3: just to know, George Abbott is actually the chief treaty

[0:06:46] Voice 3: commissioner. So he still works. He has done an incredible amount

[0:06:51] Voice 3: of research as well. And I've heard that.

[0:06:59] Voice 6: Good morning, an opportunity to reflect on our current situation and you know one of

[0:07:08] Voice 6: the things is Thetis is a quiet place, I can't say that I've actually had to be too involved

[0:07:14] Voice 6: in any local politics activities other than the forum and other conversations that happen,

[0:07:20] Voice 6: but it's a quiet place generally and certainly today's agenda reflects that um thank you ken for

[0:07:28] Voice 6: your uh recommendations on reading that and your uh insights into that journey that we've all

[0:07:35] Voice 6: um undertaken and um well for a very long time for some of us short time for others

[0:07:44] Voice 6: but indeed uh the opportunities to provide justice and equity amongst all people

[0:07:52] Voice 6: is certainly significant for the future,

[0:07:56] Voice 6: even survival of the human race.

[0:07:58] Voice 6: It's interesting how one's reading provides opportunity

[0:08:04] Voice 6: to reflect on current and global affairs over time.

[0:08:10] Voice 6: And certainly there's lots of new reading to do.

[0:08:14] Voice 6: I recently had me delve into Charles Day's Tale of Two Cities,

[0:08:18] Voice 6: which ostensibly is about the French Revolution

[0:08:21] Voice 6: and the favor which the guillotine held in that period.

[0:08:30] Voice 6: And it's interesting to reflect that much of the strife

[0:08:34] Voice 6: and the disagreements that existed in the 1700s

[0:08:37] Voice 6: still exist today.

[0:08:39] Voice 6: And that's even prior to major arrival of colonialism

[0:08:49] Voice 6: capitalism in the Americas. And so there's lots of things to reflect upon the human situation.

[0:08:56] Voice 6: And I do quite a bit of that. But every day, as I said, American in the Marks, I'm grateful

[0:09:02] Voice 6: to wake up here in Coast Salish territory and acknowledge and see and understand the

[0:09:08] Voice 6: Coast Salish people, because there was a lot of us to learn from a people that have lived

[0:09:13] Voice 6: here for thousands of years, not just 300 or 400 years.

[0:09:19] Voice 6: So, yeah, I'm glad that this is a quiet place.

[0:09:27] Voice 6: That's it.

[0:09:28] Voice 6: That's really wonderful.

[0:09:29] Voice 6: Well,

[0:09:31] Voice 3: thank you for your reports and for your reflections on the larger context

[0:09:36] Voice 3: and also how it affects us and our work today.

[0:09:40] Voice 3: Since we're giving book recommendations,

[0:09:43] Voice 3: I wanted to point to one that is coming out by Jody Wilson-Raybould.

[0:09:49] Voice 3: I haven't had a chance to read it yet but it is called the in-between leader and she's got a book

[0:09:56] Voice 3: launch and there's a few events happening so I'm looking forward to that but she had spoken about

[0:10:02] Voice 3: this at the community to community forum these are events that are held to bring together

[0:10:10] Voice 3: First Nations leaders and local government leaders and there was one in 2024 at UBCM

[0:10:17] Voice 3: Union of BC Municipalities. It was almost a full day. We have a final keynote speaker

[0:10:21] Voice 3: and she spoke with much disappointment actually about the provincial and federal government's

[0:10:28] Voice 3: actions and initiatives in relation to reconciliation. A lot of it seeming to be

[0:10:33] Voice 3: rhetoric or signaling and really focused on the power and the agency of local governments

[0:10:40] Voice 3: and municipal level leadership and community leaders

[0:10:45] Voice 3: in being able to develop relationships

[0:10:48] Voice 3: and be the in-betweeners, in between this space

[0:10:52] Voice 3: as we're moving from old systems that are built on,

[0:10:55] Voice 3: as you said, colonialism and heritage from the old world,

[0:11:02] Voice 3: and then a new system that isn't yet in place.

[0:11:04] Voice 3: We're not yet at a place where our governance

[0:11:07] Voice 3: and our laws are equally recognizing

[0:11:09] Voice 3: recognizing um everyone's um rights responsibilities obligations and so she spoke about this in-between

[0:11:17] Voice 3: space that we're moving through and it's it's uncomfortable for many because we don't have a

[0:11:22] Voice 3: lot of what's the rules what's the protocol how do we proceed what's the you know we want to process

[0:11:28] Voice 3: and sometimes well often these processes depend on how the speed of relationship and the speed of

[0:11:34] Voice 3: trust. So she really emphasizes the personal responsibility of communities to undertake this

[0:11:46] Voice 3: work with a good heart. And I think the leaders that will show the way are going to be folks like

[0:11:53] Voice 3: you in this community that are building those relationships, doing things with a good heart

[0:11:59] Voice 3: and asking those questions like who is being considered in this decision do we have all the

[0:12:05] Voice 3: information um do we need to slow the process down so that all choices are so i'm looking forward to

[0:12:12] Voice 3: that book um i will give a brief report on some of the meetings that um we're going to look forward

[0:12:20] Voice 3: to and a little bit of an update on the policy statement because i know we had a robust um round

[0:12:27] Voice 3: of public feedback here so those that have been following the policy statement draft which was

[0:12:32] Voice 3: a year ago received first reading um uh just to let you know it's not going to be uh finished

[0:12:38] Voice 3: this term the ministry of municipal affairs who is our governing ministry uh indicated that it

[0:12:46] Voice 3: would need more than six months to review any uh once it reached for a third reading

[0:12:51] Voice 3: it would need a lot more time and they are requiring a much more robust level of record

[0:12:58] Voice 3: of engagement it's called and so and there's still many first nations that we are engaging with so

[0:13:03] Voice 3: that um that work will be paused as we go into the next term and the next term of trustees and

[0:13:10] Voice 3: trust council will have to take it up but one final piece that we may be able to do

[0:13:15] Voice 3: is a committee of the whole meeting coming up july 22nd when we are considering the referral

[0:13:23] Voice 3: agency responses that have come back staff have composed a table and this is really important

[0:13:29] Voice 3: particularly from the ministry of municipal affairs the the information that the ministry

[0:13:35] Voice 3: is giving us to think about this constrain yourself here or what about this question

[0:13:40] Voice 3: this kind of gives us some guardrails of well how will this process go forward because ultimately

[0:13:45] Voice 3: that ministry has to approve the policy statement so um executive committee had asked staff to

[0:13:52] Voice 3: organize that information and we'll be discussing it uh hoping chair patrick is hoping that trustees

[0:13:58] Voice 3: will come to that committee the whole which is not required it is a less formal discussion so

[0:14:05] Voice 3: we can debate but we want to really understand the ministry's expectations so that we put the

[0:14:11] Voice 3: the next council in a good place to sort of frame the discussion and what to look for.

[0:14:17] Voice 3: I'm on the board of the Conservancy as well. We have one final in-person meeting on July 28th

[0:14:23] Voice 3: and also a liaison meeting with the executive committee that day. That's when we discuss how

[0:14:28] Voice 3: these two bodies, which are under Ireland's trust, but they undertake different functions,

[0:14:34] Voice 3: some of the operations that need to be strategized together. So we're actually

[0:14:39] Voice 3: thinking of talking about fire management in the protected area of nature reserves,

[0:14:44] Voice 3: developing more of a strategic long view for that. Fire and wildfire interface is a great concern,

[0:14:52] Voice 3: and recognize that there was significant wildfire on Thetis two weeks, one week ago.

[0:14:59] Voice 6: Yeah, that's another, that's a good close call.

[0:15:02] Voice 3: Close call. Canada

[0:15:03] Voice 3: Day. Canada Day. Canada Day,

[0:15:06] Voice 3: yeah and so our communities are i know very mindful and i know the local responders are

[0:15:13] Voice 3: uh often much more ready to to um to address this than than we that we are prepared to in

[0:15:21] Voice 3: some of our nature reserves so how does that work together how can we learn from

[0:15:24] Voice 3: there

[0:15:25] Voice 6: was a real community effort to support the fire department

[0:15:36] Voice 6: in holding that fire to the home,

[0:15:40] Voice 6: and certainly at the traffic lot,

[0:15:42] Voice 6: and it'd be the people that have been displaced from there

[0:15:45] Voice 6: to be looking for assistance.

[0:15:49] Voice 6: But the other thing to note is that beyond the community,

[0:15:54] Voice 6: there's a wildfire services.

[0:15:56] Voice 6: In fact, a helicopter was on site very shortly after the fire was reported.

[0:16:01] Voice 6: A team of firefighters from BC Welfare Service attended and surveyed the damage surrounding

[0:16:10] Voice 6: the house site to determine that all of the measures have been taken to stop re-light,

[0:16:17] Voice 6: re-ignition and the like.

[0:16:19] Voice 6: And indeed the Thief's Island Volunteers Fire Department did an excellent job and contained

[0:16:25] Voice 6: that to the house site.

[0:16:26] Voice 6: And, you know, it's not funny to joke, actually, and think of it as a joke, but indeed they

[0:16:37] Voice 6: saved the, they maybe only saved the foundation on that property, but they indeed saved the

[0:16:42] Voice 6: island from that fire spreading rapidly through other parts of the island.

[0:16:47] Voice 6: And that was through the diligence of the fire department to focus on stopping the fire

[0:16:52] Voice 6: are extending beyond that. So, a close call, but

[0:16:59] Voice 3: indeed well managed.

[0:17:02] Voice 3: Very grateful for that. I know a

[0:17:04] Voice 3: lot about the fire department.

[0:17:05] Voice 3: Well, I

[0:17:06] Voice 3: always look to you for information, at least, because I know you're still tuned in.

[0:17:09] Voice 6: I got my ear

[0:17:10] Voice 6: in the ground.

[0:17:11] Voice 3: You do. But also to report out from the Trust Council level,

[0:17:15] Voice 3: uh we did meet for a quarterly meeting in june electronically uh the participation was spotty

[0:17:23] Voice 3: there is some conversation executive committee of how to ensure that folks trustees are there

[0:17:29] Voice 3: for discussion as they lead into the vote and not just for the vote um and the there's there

[0:17:37] Voice 3: is a significant couple significant items were approved including the indigenous relations action

[0:17:43] Voice 3: plan. This is a two-year action plan that, you know, we had a reconciliation action plan

[0:17:50] Voice 3: sort of that was supposed to be extended after 2022, and really there's been a gap as staff

[0:17:58] Voice 3: and trustees are learning and engaging more with representatives from First Nations to

[0:18:05] Voice 3: understand how the referral process is working. We've had some evidence or instances here

[0:18:12] Voice 3: a thetis of of you know responses and how that could be folded into a better engagement process

[0:18:18] Voice 3: so really this pulls together all of the different initiatives instead of you know peppering a first

[0:18:25] Voice 3: nation with you know conservancy by local trust committee bylaws and conservancy work and policy

[0:18:31] Voice 3: work and sort of how can we bring it together so there is a much more um relational point of

[0:18:38] Voice 3: contact i think so that's a very strong document with a lot of key initiatives that um will stand

[0:18:45] Voice 3: out as trust in good stead for the next two years um but i think i'll leave it off there um our

[0:18:52] Voice 3: final trust committee meeting or sorry trust council quarterly meeting will be in september

[0:18:57] Voice 3: that is also uh in sorry online electronically um due to budget constraints we are trying to save

[0:19:04] as much as possible.

[0:19:06] And then, of course, elections are this

[0:19:09] Voice 3: fall for local.

[0:19:11] Voice 3: October 22nd.

[0:19:15] Voice 3: 17th.

[0:19:16] Voice 3: So many notes.

[0:19:17] Voice 3: I noticed

[0:19:19] Voice 6: it came up on Thursday or Saturday.

[0:19:22] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:19:23] Voice 3: And staff have been developing really good orientation handbook

[0:19:27] Voice 3: for new trustees.

[0:19:29] Voice 3: The draft of that was published in the last quarter of the agenda.

[0:19:33] Voice 3: so if anybody is considering running or looking to run for election i urge you to look at that draft

[0:19:43] Voice 3: um handbook because it gives you a very good overview of expectations information that would

[0:19:49] Voice 3: be coming to the new county so that is it for my report there's always much going on

[0:19:56] Voice 3: i don't want to take up more space we want to hear from the community so we are just

[0:20:02] Voice 3: just we've got we don't have an electoral area director's report and so we'll move into section

[0:20:08] Voice 3: five our public participation period and invite the public to uh address us we want to hear from

[0:20:14] Voice 3: you okay and just mindful of respect which is never an issue here and keeping the conversation

[0:20:23] Voice 3: constructive if you want to speak to items on the agenda or local items under the ltc's

[0:20:28] Voice 3: jurisdiction that would be appreciated and please state your name for the record my

[0:20:31] Voice 1: name is uh

[0:20:31] Voice 1: david ray um resident uh homeowner i wanted to um first uh welcome all the uh um discussion

[0:20:43] Voice 1: of reconciliation this is from uh uh to it is a truth and it was a project to put on

[0:20:51] Voice 1: by in Duncan uh uh assistant project director with the uh uh social planning couch and so they

[0:21:01] Voice 1: it was they also just recently put it on on Salt Spring and so it would be a thought of

[0:21:07] Voice 1: grant affiliation of uh perhaps bringing projects whenever they bring that project to a

[0:21:14] Voice 1: of a location, they try and localize it.

[0:21:19] Voice 1: So Salt Spring, the one that was in the community center

[0:21:25] Voice 1: had a lot of couch issues.

[0:21:27] Voice 1: There was some American issues,

[0:21:28] Voice 1: but it was a lot of couch and valley.

[0:21:31] Voice 1: The one in Salt Spring, they went and reached out.

[0:21:34] Voice 1: And if they were to do one here,

[0:21:36] Voice 1: they would be reaching out to the local indigenous groups

[0:21:40] Voice 1: groups to make sure that they spoke of their history and their groups.

[0:21:49] Voice 1: My main thing was to make sure that the trustees are invited to the Nature of Forests weekend

[0:21:58] Voice 1: coming up next weekend.

[0:22:01] Voice 1: I just wanted to go in reverse order because it kind of leads up to something, but our

[0:22:07] Voice 1: Our last speaker is Richard Hebda, who has done incredible research on the forest and ecology from the ice age.

[0:22:21] Voice 1: So since the island got scraped clean, he can tell you, the cedar trees showed up here.

[0:22:27] Voice 1: These trees were here, but then they receded down to California.

[0:22:30] Voice 1: He is the authority on that project.

[0:22:34] Voice 1: And then the other one in the morning is the Cabotsen Cultural Connections are coming.

[0:22:42] Voice 1: They have a cedar project and they're going to speak to how they are working to restore cedar in the Mid-Island.

[0:22:55] Voice 1: and also talk about the importance of looking at nature through a native lens.

[0:23:09] Voice 1: They talk about having two eyes looking,

[0:23:14] Voice 1: but you have to look at it through the lens that you're born with,

[0:23:18] Voice 1: but also try to look at it through the lens that they're looking through as well.

[0:23:23] Voice 1: On Saturday, it's Andy McKinnon, who is the leading guy, if you're interested, on mushrooms

[0:23:32] Voice 1: and muesli and what's growing under them.

[0:23:36] Voice 1: Chris Hall, our favorite forester here, talks about trees as something growing in the air.

[0:23:46] Voice 1: he says tree refers to trees as roots with the with the flower um and uh and so okay but and i

[0:23:55] Voice 1: went backwards because our first presenter is going to be mitch sharon and mitch sharon was

[0:24:01] Voice 1: the fire captain on salts for god and he he's retired now but he came here in 2023 did a

[0:24:10] Voice 1: wonderful presentation on how to um keep your place fire smart while observing the local college

[0:24:18] Voice 1: um and i think that that these are the resorts that if you're talking about uh nature preserves

[0:24:24] Voice 1: need somebody to be talking to about um what needs to be done and what what you can get a little uh

[0:24:31] Voice 1: get away with um so um inviting you all to that uh saturday night we're gonna have a salmon barbecue

[0:24:39] Voice 1: as well, it's potluck. So it would be wonderful for all of you to attend. And going back to

[0:24:49] Voice 1: the fire, I just wanted to add to Peter, I attended as part of the water auxiliary. And

[0:24:57] Voice 1: And it was a big event.

[0:25:01] Voice 1: And there was people from the animal groups coming carrying goats as I drove by.

[0:25:11] Voice 1: And just all the people there that were going and doing things like, oh, you're here?

[0:25:18] Voice 1: Why did you just go spot over there?

[0:25:21] Voice 1: Because the maple leaves were catching fire and blowing away.

[0:25:27] Voice 8: way

[0:25:27] Voice 1: right and and so that as a chat that's all the work the house they considered gone

[0:25:32] Voice 1: all the work was was to throw water on the on the surrounding trees mostly in the area so it was a

[0:25:40] Voice 1: it was a pretty uh big event um i got home at three in the morning uh janine had two full days

[0:25:49] Voice 1: of no sleep um so it was a it was a pretty big event um and we learned so much from it we do

[0:25:58] Voice 1: all these training things and one of the things that in my world but you get into the um the big

[0:26:05] Voice 1: water truck and you um and you want to start it and it won't let you go because emergency

[0:26:12] Voice 1: brakes on and it's pitch dark and all my training was driving it in the light right you look there

[0:26:18] Voice 1: there's a button that says emergency break, but that little sticker doesn't show up in the dark, right?

[0:26:24] Voice 1: And so you're busy funneling around.

[0:26:27] Voice 1: So that was one of the things is that we were going to try and do some training in the dark.

[0:26:32] Voice 1: Yeah, so that's the big thing.

[0:26:35] Voice 1: The other thing coming out of the nature forest is just a reminder that last year we had the nature of water,

[0:26:42] Voice 1: and there was some discussion that the Islands Trust has us on the radar for a groundwater project

[0:26:55] Voice 1: and CVRD has us on the radar for a groundwater project.

[0:26:59] Voice 1: And I'm annoying the CVRD, so this is my turn to annoy the Islands Trust,

[0:27:06] Voice 1: remind them that this is something that needs to be done

[0:27:09] Voice 1: and you can't just ignore it until it goes away.

[0:27:14] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:27:15] Voice 3: Thank you, David.

[0:27:17] Voice 6: Well, first of all, I'll say thank you, David.

[0:27:26] Voice 6: You glossed over reasonably well your involvement in the Water Auxiliary,

[0:27:34] Voice 6: and indeed the Water Auxiliary is the team of people

[0:27:37] Voice 6: that essentially staged holding tanks on site

[0:27:41] Voice 6: and drive the truck back and forth

[0:27:44] Voice 6: with roughly 1,000 gallons for every trip

[0:27:48] Voice 6: from the Hunker Pond, in this particular case,

[0:27:51] Voice 6: to the site.

[0:27:52] Voice 6: And I say underrated the amount of work

[0:27:59] Voice 6: that's involved in that,

[0:28:00] Voice 6: because I'm led to believe there was some 22,000

[0:28:03] Voice 6: to 25,000 gallons of water used.

[0:28:06] Voice 6: So that's 20-plus trips back and forth with a truck over probably an 8- or 10-hour period.

[0:28:15] Voice 1: There was some driving in the local pond with pumps as well, but not much.

[0:28:20] Voice 6: Well, but they measure the water based upon what's in the vehicles as opposed to water that's on the surface.

[0:28:26] Voice 6: But, yeah, just a phenomenal amount of water.

[0:28:29] Voice 6: And thank you for raising the topic of the water project that's actually been on our long list for a very long time, and we've not managed to advance that for a variety of reasons.

[0:28:44] Voice 6: But the other thing that's important is not only is at the regional district level, not only is water on fetus on the regional district's mind, but our tax money is in their pocket for that.

[0:28:59] Voice 6: And the delivery of that is not apparent to me as an elected representative.

[0:29:04] Voice 1: I'm reminding them every conversation of once you pointed that out to me.

[0:29:09] Voice 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[0:29:10] Voice 1: yeah

[0:29:12] Voice 3: great um so we can maybe let's bring that discussion back in the future projects list i'd

[0:29:19] Voice 3: like to spend some time clean up a sort of a laundry list of potential future projects

[0:29:25] Voice 3: and there might be a request from the theta solar trust committee for you know where what's the next

[0:29:32] Voice 3: step for the groundwater or sort of the freshwater sustainability project i can speak a little bit

[0:29:37] Voice 3: bit about that, if you wish, from the Gabriela perspective. And

[0:29:40] Voice 3: there's a significant report out and there is work that is being

[0:29:43] Voice 3: done that's informing the OCP. But I recognize that Thetis is

[0:29:48] Voice 3: it's definitely been asking for more work. So thank you for that

[0:29:52] Voice 3: reminder. And I think we'll let's bring that discussion back

[0:29:56] Voice 3: at the future projects list.

[0:29:58] Voice 3: Yeah, and staff.

[0:30:00] Voice 3: We

[0:30:00] Voice 6: may have been in communication with the regional staff, but we haven't done that because we just don't get anything for it.

[0:30:08] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:30:08] Voice 6: There's still only one test well on Thetis, and I believe there should be more.

[0:30:13] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah.

[0:30:15] Voice 3: Is there any other members of the public that wish to address this?

[0:30:21] Voice 3: Anything? No? Okay.

[0:30:23] Voice 5: Just here as an observer.

[0:30:24] Voice 5: well

[0:30:25] Voice 3: thank you for attending your participation is very important and we appreciate you being here

[0:30:29] Voice 3: today okay uh so we will move on to our section six which is minutes we have the local trust

[0:30:38] Voice 3: committee minutes in april 20th uh 2026 for adoption uh trustees are there any changes

[0:30:46] Voice 3: uh this was a this was our largest meeting i think in at least my experience of this local

[0:30:53] Voice 3: which was happening we had it here in person it was exciting uh it was very exciting there was

[0:30:57] Voice 3: lots of discussion um and so just want to make sure that the minutes capture everything that was

[0:31:05] Voice 3: discussed looked like it did to me yeah just on page 10

[0:31:13] the 26022 uh trust community request trust

[0:31:18] Voice 7: theory services to respond to the recommendations

[0:31:32] Voice 3: So as part of that resolution, that direction, staff prepared a referral response to send

[0:31:43] Voice 3: to the Regional District. However, within that same sort of matter of a week,

[0:31:50] Voice 3: Regional District sent us an update to say that a particular by-law project was paused.

[0:31:58] Voice 3: So, the referral response was not sent out and SNAP did just send a note to the LTC to say that the referral response was not sent out because the projects are old and will be saved

[0:32:15] Voice 3: I think he's referring to the Resolution 22, which was related to the Meneliket Tribes

[0:32:23] Voice 3: recommendations.

[0:32:25] Voice 3: Is that?

[0:32:26] Voice 7: That is what I was hearing.

[0:32:28] Voice 3: There's a note in our follow-up action list about that.

[0:32:35] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:32:37] Voice 6: So, indeed, I think it's on page 16 of the agenda. Item

[0:32:42] Voice 6: four says it's 100% and completed.

[0:32:47] Voice 6: Just a little clarity there is, as per the April 16th local community surrounding future engagement,

[0:32:57] Voice 6: And there's an update there from June 17th, staff met with the Connecticut Land Committee

[0:33:02] Voice 6: and agreed that the respectful future engagement will be coordinated through the land consultant.

[0:33:08] Voice 6: So just clarity on that.

[0:33:10] Voice 6: So the Connecticut tribe has a land committee, which would be convened at the direction of

[0:33:16] Voice 6: council.

[0:33:17] Voice 6: And then the land consultant would be a contractor, presumably, or maybe not, but just it'd be

[0:33:28] Voice 6: good to understand what that committee is and what the land consultant's name is and

[0:33:36] Voice 6: what the relationship is with the nation, and do you have anything to add to that?

[0:33:42] Voice 3: so you are looking for just confirmation that we have contact information to speak with

[0:33:50] Voice 3: another can try when we we do have we do have some contact information oh sure i guess what

[0:33:58] Voice 3: i'm interested in how

[0:33:59] Voice 6: that's being governed um council committee and then what's the relationship

[0:34:05] Voice 6: with the land consultant, is it a project related or is it just a corporate offer, land use management

[0:34:12] Voice 6: on construction as well as

[0:34:16] Voice 3: maybe I'll just look at this one and then I'll

[0:34:19] Voice 3: just give me a couple moments

[0:34:20] Voice 3: so let's come back to that question when we get to the follow-up action list

[0:34:27] Voice 3: for the notes, back to the minutes

[0:34:32] Voice 3: Any more questions, changes or amendments?

[0:34:35] Voice 3: No.

[0:34:35] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:34:36] Voice 3: I'll take it that the minutes of April 20th, 2026 be approved as presented.

[0:34:44] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:34:44] Voice 3: And you can just do that.

[0:34:49] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:34:50] Voice 3: And so now we can move to the follow-up action list, giving us some time to see what can

[0:34:57] Voice 3: be shared at this time.

[0:35:01] Voice 6: yeah so maybe just a single sentence doesn't really summarize what that discussion was about

[0:35:10] Voice 6: because it's not clear about what the relationship between the land consultant and the committee

[0:35:14] Voice 6: I

[0:35:15] Voice 3: guess my question is does it matter to Islands Trust what Penelakut tribes like their organization

[0:35:24] Voice 3: of their referral process and their consultant it's clear that through engagement Penelakut tribes

[0:35:29] Voice 3: that's the person that is to be liaised with well

[0:35:33] Voice 6: fair enough it would be good to know who that

[0:35:35] Voice 6: person is yeah

[0:35:36] Voice 3: like do we like is that public information like when you when you have an agency

[0:35:42] Voice 3: referral response from the alc does the or from the land commission do trustees need to know

[0:35:48] Voice 3: all the staff that are corresponding with our staff i don't

[0:35:53] Voice 3: think that's necessary

[0:35:53] Voice 3: good

[0:35:54] Voice 6: point it'd be good to know if somebody calls me i know who it is or if i want to call somebody

[0:36:00] Voice 6: well i

[0:36:03] Voice 3: think the the the request was that from the malacca tribes was here's how we would like

[0:36:12] Voice 3: to be engaged so we said staff can you go back to malacca tribes and clarify what is the process

[0:36:17] Voice 3: process and that's now sort of in in flow so I don't think does there there doesn't need to be

[0:36:27] Voice 3: anything more communicated in public other than you have followed up and there is a process in

[0:36:32] Voice 3: place which is what they had asked for through the chair so this was uh some initial conversations

[0:36:39] Voice 3: given this direction to staff so trust area services um this um this item is just meant to

[0:36:47] Voice 3: be in to say there was some conversation that's happened um it doesn't share the details so i

[0:36:55] Voice 3: would say this is the beginning of an ongoing conversation to learn more to what we already

[0:37:03] Voice 3: understand but now it is wanting to participate in and be a part of this part of engagement for

[0:37:10] Voice 3: future. So while it's not a piece of information, where a

[0:37:18] Voice 3: conversation started, that was the date. If there's something

[0:37:26] Voice 3: of a report, that could be something we can talk to trust

[0:37:30] Voice 3: area services about to share what kind of engagement However,

[0:37:37] Voice 3: However, I would say, because at this time, these are conversations to understand more, right, and it changed in a way, I think, which carries out projects.

[0:37:52] Voice 3: So, engagement is a little different with every nation.

[0:37:56] Voice 3: so that's something that's information that staff will be complying with as well to understand okay

[0:38:02] Voice 3: we're in this island area here's how we want to do together so that particular information is not

[0:38:13] Voice 5: we

[0:38:14] Voice 3: haven't um started to document it in a way that we can

[0:38:17] Voice 3: I think it's sharing, it's starting these conversations.

[0:38:22] Voice 3: Sure,

[0:38:25] Voice 4: just add to that.

[0:38:27] Voice 7: Yeah, because here's the recommendations.

[0:38:32] Voice 4: Remember,

[0:38:33] Voice 7: I got those in here.

[0:38:35] Voice 4: It's

[0:38:36] Voice 7: difficult for me as a trustee to move forward

[0:38:40] Voice 7: until we understand with an allocate what we're doing.

[0:38:47] Voice 4: yeah it's

[0:38:50] Voice 7: pretty specific so if there's going to be uh more and more conversation then we need

[0:39:00] Voice 7: some kind of a report eventually yeah so that we know what each person is what each side is

[0:39:10] Voice 7: thinking basically where we're going because it's hard to make a decision without knowing

[0:39:19] Voice 7: you know we're stepping on toes that's where i'm at yeah for the for the seat of some of those

[0:39:26] Voice 7: committees it's a difficult situation so no i

[0:39:29] Voice 7: would like more uh enlightenment on that for future

[0:39:33] Voice 3: well let's let's let's pause and have a bit of discussion because it's important to know i think

[0:39:40] Voice 3: what is the local trust committee's duty to convey to the public what do we need to know to make good

[0:39:47] Voice 3: decisions and what information needs to be held on a staff to staff level because they're evolving

[0:39:56] Voice 3: conversations and there isn't like a decision like necessarily that needs to be communicated

[0:40:01] Voice 3: back so there are three different elements and we're used to having reporting going around

[0:40:06] Voice 3: everything um i think in the case of your interpreter out like what i'm looking at

[0:40:14] Voice 3: public knowledge yeah that was on the agenda it was part of a staff report right i think

[0:40:20] Voice 3: so for instance they had asked to allocate resources for cultural competency training

[0:40:26] Voice 3: for staff involved in the project i know that because of our reconciliation action our

[0:40:31] Voice 3: indigenous relations action plan competency training is going to be provided through budget

[0:40:37] Voice 3: through trust area services so that could be information that should come back to the ltc that

[0:40:43] Voice 3: yes this is uh going to respond to Manila tribe's request but that's not something that the LTC has

[0:40:52] Voice 3: responsibility for

[0:40:53] Voice 5: um

[0:40:54] Voice 3: and so yeah like how Renee how can we convey information to the public

[0:41:05] Voice 3: and to the trustees so that we have assurance that you know we're moving forward without getting us

[0:41:19] Voice 3: into we need to report on everything because some of that may not be for public information yet

[0:41:26] Voice 3: so that could be that might lead to something that staff thinks about goes away thinks about

[0:41:34] Voice 3: it comes back but there could for example be some opportunity through the trust council corporate

[0:41:43] Voice 3: when the reconciliation or the indigenous relations plan where perhaps there are actions within that

[0:41:55] Voice 3: that we local trust communities want to comment on in terms of their trust area and then that

[0:42:01] Voice 3: could be part of the actions for example to implement that is to see how that's

[0:42:09] Voice 3: how that can be best practiced in the real interest of the team but i'm going to come

[0:42:15] Voice 3: through perhaps as a new girl i'm just trying to think maybe those opportunities let's have

[0:42:21] Voice 3: to think about um ways to bring this back to the trust committees and the community

[0:42:30] Voice 3: to make sure it's relevant so um it could be something that i think at this point in time

[0:42:36] Voice 3: anything with a larger sort of research piece staff might be limited to get back to one time

[0:42:43] Voice 3: for the august meeting but it could be something we can collect and and report back on for august

[0:42:50] Voice 3: to say what documents are out there and perhaps add it to the future budget list

[0:43:00] Voice 5: thank you for that so

[0:43:01] Voice 5: those are more just sort of ideas like

[0:43:03] Voice 3: you can we might need to spend some

[0:43:05] Voice 3: time to put our mind to that ways to bring it back to the community and make it relevant

[0:43:12] Voice 3: so yeah one of the things that perhaps you could share a bit more about

[0:43:19] Voice 3: the direction that Mellon's Trust seems to be going in is with all major projects, at least, like an OCP review.

[0:43:30] Voice 3: If the LTC decides we want to do another OCP review, there's things that, or say a groundwater project.

[0:43:37] Voice 3: Anything that is a major project that will be undertaken by Trust Council is,

[0:43:45] Voice 3: goes through a much more rigorous process of early engagement with First Nations

[0:43:51] Voice 3: and development of an interests table, which through conversation,

[0:43:56] Voice 3: the nation would say, here's what we're interested in giving information,

[0:44:01] Voice 3: our perspectives, and how our interests would be affected.

[0:44:04] Voice 3: And that folds into the project scope.

[0:44:08] Voice 3: So things have shifted, but we're not yet seeing,

[0:44:12] Voice 3: i think there's some missing in steps of how do we communicate you know both through a work plan

[0:44:20] Voice 3: and what is the indigenous relations actually going to

[0:44:22] Voice 3: look like and how does that relate to

[0:44:24] Voice 3: our local trust committee work that maybe we can think of a resolution to requesting staff to

[0:44:30] Voice 3: clarify how processes may change as a result of the indigenous relations actually related to the

[0:44:40] Voice 3: local data trust committee right and that that work because it just um it's fairly recent after

[0:44:47] Voice 3: the last trust council meeting staff will work on those next step pieces so that could be a specific

[0:44:54] Voice 3: question the local trust committee has for staff so we can think about that and report back okay

[0:45:02] Voice 3: so yeah let's begin that for a little bit of thinking and we can maybe

[0:45:08] Voice 3: if we want information to ask staff to come back and clarify what conversations are how what

[0:45:16] Voice 3: information could be communicated out how are how is engagement changing as a result of the

[0:45:21] Voice 3: indigenous relationship and we may stuff may not know at this particular time but at least through

[0:45:29] Voice 3: some sort of report now we can share we plan to do that through the reconciliation action

[0:45:35] Voice 3: on document or through the action that we're implementing we plan to do that through updating

[0:45:41] Voice 3: our process so i think that might be helpful as well even if we don't know how to see it

[0:45:47] Voice 3: it's which how are we going to go and do it and when can we expect but i think trusting under

[0:45:54] Voice 3: your question is very valid when we have information trust me it's heard you know

[0:46:00] Voice 3: know we just want assurance that those are being followed up so

[0:46:04] Voice 3: i think that's a really good

[0:46:06] Voice 3: question i had a question back on um so back to number one with the rezoning on welsh um

[0:46:18] Voice 3: application where are we uh sort of we've got one item completed and that's in staff report

[0:46:27] Voice 3: or data site visit with applicants and the owners of First Nations, if desired.

[0:46:32] Voice 3: So do you want me to back up to page 14?

[0:46:35] Voice 3: I don't know.

[0:46:36] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:46:37] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:46:38] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:46:38] Voice 3: So this is the Welsh rezoning application.

[0:46:42] Voice 3: Can you remind me?

[0:46:46] Voice 3: So we're at the place of drafting a covenant.

[0:46:52] Voice 3: We haven't yet scheduled a community information meeting.

[0:46:56] Voice 3: Is that, are we going to perhaps see this one at the next meeting?

[0:47:02] Voice 3: We don't have a specific update on this agenda item, but I always follow it.

[0:47:18] Voice 3: Okay, so then the item that you were, you gave feedback on the CBRD's referral response

[0:47:25] Voice 3: on their comprehensive zoning bylaw, that was suspended until next year.

[0:47:32] Voice 3: We don't have a date yet from the regional district on when they'll pick it up again,

[0:47:38] Voice 3: but when they do we have the draft response from the trust committee and i

[0:47:44] Voice 3: imagine they'll come

[0:47:45] Voice 3: back to the local trust committee at any rate for an opportunity for a response

[0:47:58] Voice 4: all right

[0:48:02] Voice 3: so any any other questions for queries on action now we'll go on to our

[0:48:09] Voice 3: oppositions and referrals for response so page 17 we've got four referrals this is a post salt

[0:48:22] Voice 3: spring byline number five five one uh it's been referred to all local trust committees in the

[0:48:28] Voice 3: area of consultation and this is to change the property zoning from rural to rural variant q

[0:48:39] Voice 3: Q, R, Q, to permit one existing oversized seasonal cottage to be converted into full-time dwelling units.

[0:48:46] Voice 3: Trustees, there's four responses, potentially.

[0:48:51] Voice 3: Do you

[0:48:51] Voice 3: consider your interests affected, unaffected, or recommend proceeding with conditions or not proceeding?

[0:49:00] Voice 3: Just four very nicely worded responses.

[0:49:04] Voice 3: So

[0:49:04] Voice 6: clearly, Salt Spring is a busy place. And I would suggest that option number one is

[0:49:12] Voice 6: appropriate at this time for this one and the other four, they don't seem to be directly

[0:49:17] Voice 6: impacting the interest system.

[0:49:21] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:49:22] Voice 6: So I'll move that the trust committee responds to the Salt Spring Outlook Trust

[0:49:30] Voice 6: committee that interest that the interests are our interests are unaffected by mile off 551.

[0:49:39] Voice 3: nope do a seconder okay

[0:49:41] Voice 3: any discussion all those in favor those who understand that's carried and the next page

[0:49:53] Voice 3: page 25. this is another salt spring bylaw number five by watching um

[0:50:03] Voice 6: too sure

[0:50:06] Voice 7: yeah i move that feels on the local trust committee respond to the salisbury island

[0:50:13] Voice 7: local trust community that interests our interests are affected by violence

[0:50:18] Voice 7: do

[0:50:19] Voice 3: you have a seconder second second by trustee welcome any discussion all those in favor

[0:50:26] Voice 3: to say aye? Aye. That's carried.

[0:50:30] Voice 4: Number three, age 31. Yeah, no

[0:50:35] Voice 6: issues there either, I think.

[0:50:40] Voice 6: So I move that the Phoenix Island Local Trust Committee respond to this offering. Island

[0:50:43] Voice 6: Local Trust Committee that it is interested in the fact that I file on number 55. Seconder?

[0:50:51] Voice 3: Seconded by Trustee Hunter. Any discussion? All those in favor? Rating Hunter say aye.

[0:50:56] Voice 3: That's great. Thank you.

[0:50:59] Voice 3: I'll be fourth again. Salt Spring bylaw number 554.

[0:51:06] Voice 4: I don't think I was just affected.

[0:51:11] Voice 4: Sorry, it is 38.

[0:51:15] Voice 4: Okay,

[0:51:20] Voice 7: I move that the fees on the committee to respond to the Salt Spring Outlook Committee that interests are impacted by bylaw number 554.

[0:51:39] Voice 4: Oh,

[0:51:41] Voice 6: sorry, I'm

[0:51:42] Voice 3: planning my next

[0:51:43] Voice 6: move here, seconded any

[0:51:46] Voice 3: discussion, all those in favor.

[0:51:50] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:51:52] Voice 3: All right.

[0:51:54] Voice 3: It's a matter of process but sometimes things are, we are affected so yeah, we're laughing

[0:52:00] Voice 1: to each other.

[0:52:01] Voice 1: I understand.

[0:52:03] Voice 3: Thank you for the guidance. Did you have a comment here?

[0:52:08] Voice 6: Yeah, just on that. You know, it's an overall trust council policy that adjacent local trust

[0:52:15] Voice 6: committees be included in the referrals process in order to ensure that interests are affected.

[0:52:21] Voice 6: Most often they're

[0:52:22] Voice 6: not, but there are occasions when we might have a connection.

[0:52:27] Voice 3: If

[0:52:28] Voice 6: you don't mind, Chair, I just want to double back with you because I was deep in thought

[0:52:34] Voice 6: about the Fenton-Walsh development there.

[0:52:40] Voice 6: And, you know, this is a good, for me, it's a good case in point about the level of consultation

[0:52:47] Voice 6: of Trustee Hunter's rate and the motion that came forward about, and therefore the actual

[0:52:52] Voice 6: the response from the nation about engagement with the local trust committee and we and it's

[0:52:59] Voice 6: not a criticism it's just this is called an observation is that um our engagement with the

[0:53:04] Voice 6: penelope nation happens on a piecemeal basis and so here's

[0:53:08] Voice 6: an application that's come forward that

[0:53:10] Voice 4: is in progress and where we have been

[0:53:13] Voice 4: trying to work with the

[0:53:14] Voice 6: applicant to advance that clearly

[0:53:16] Voice 6: the penelope nation's interests are affected with the shoreline development potential what's there

[0:53:22] Voice 6: and impacting on cultural harvesting

[0:53:24] Voice 6: and lots of considerations there.

[0:53:30] Voice 6: We have provided some directing to them to proceed

[0:53:34] Voice 6: and I might be mistaken on the details

[0:53:37] Voice 6: but it's been a while since I looked at it.

[0:53:39] Voice 6: But nonetheless, some reporting has happened,

[0:53:42] Voice 6: some consultation on the part of the applicant

[0:53:44] Voice 6: has happened with the Penelope Nation.

[0:53:48] Voice 6: And we are now moving towards a covenant

[0:53:50] Voice 6: as indicated here, a scheduled community of information meeting and public hearing for

[0:53:55] Voice 6: by all seven funders seat of draft covenant. Clearly, that covenant would seem to me to

[0:54:02] Voice 6: be a referral item and you've got to have all the answers to it. But I have not. And

[0:54:12] Voice 6: so it's great to get some answers, but I am not comfortable with knowing that we are respecting

[0:54:17] Voice 6: those requests that we received from the Penelope Nation

[0:54:21] Voice 6: with respect to this specific development.

[0:54:23] Voice 6: And we absolutely want to make sure that that is done.

[0:54:28] Voice 6: And I'll just historically think back a moment,

[0:54:31] Voice 6: and Ken, I'm not sure if you were on

[0:54:32] Voice 6: the Liberal Justice Committee at the time,

[0:54:34] Voice 6: but there was, we did the shoreline setback thing,

[0:54:39] Voice 6: their development in that waterway many years ago.

[0:54:47] Voice 6: and it was through negotiation maybe consultation with the penelope nation that it was agreed that

[0:54:57] Voice 6: we would change the setbacks in order to accommodate their uh harvesting needs and

[0:55:04] Voice 6: respecting the interests of the adjacent property owners and that was quite successful i think

[0:55:11] Voice 6: because we managed to it was a bit of friction let's just call it what it is a bit of friction

[0:55:15] Voice 6: about my land rights being affected by this and we uh we've worked through that and and at the end

[0:55:23] Voice 6: um i think it was a good uh solution many public members came up and spoke about it to us um but um

[0:55:35] Voice 6: we just need a whole awareness understanding about how it is that we're moving and and that we are

[0:55:44] Voice 6: are confident that we're engaging with the panel of other nations within this area to

[0:55:50] Connecticut and the fact that

[0:55:51] Voice 6: by action with anything at all that might be happening on that

[0:55:55] Voice 6: what are you

[0:56:01] Voice 3: looking for in terms when you mean a whole a holistic approach or a whole you know

[0:56:07] Voice 3: instead of doing things piecemeal which I completely agree and I think as council we are

[0:56:12] Voice 3: are trying to move away from that and staff have given us that information that from nations as

[0:56:17] Voice 3: they say you know you are throwing this referral that referral this referral to us and it is

[0:56:22] Voice 3: you know we can't respond so there needs to be a better process um what would a holistic approach

[0:56:29] Voice 3: look like and using the walsh reason welsh walsh rezoning um how how can we approach this better

[0:56:39] Voice 3: and how can you know our internal procedures for this collab you know working towards a

[0:56:49] Voice 3: collaborative framework of understanding what what projects are being done what referrals

[0:56:54] Voice 3: and applications are coming forward that information needs to go back to the public

[0:56:58] Voice 3: trust me that's what we're just missing information sharing i feel because i think

[0:57:04] Voice 3: the good work is being done but

[0:57:06] Voice 4: as you said it's

[0:57:06] Voice 3: it's piecemeal and we don't really have assurance

[0:57:10] Voice 3: how the work is being undertaken.

[0:57:12] Voice 3: I don't see any understanding of how it's changing.

[0:57:15] Voice 6: Yeah, I guess at the end of the day, I don't, I get it, but I don't think,

[0:57:19] Voice 6: but if I get a point blank question by a resident of Stevenson Island about what's happening with this,

[0:57:26] Voice 6: I honestly don't have an answer, particularly if somebody said,

[0:57:31] Voice 6: is the Penelope Nation being consulted on this?

[0:57:34] Voice 6: I could say yes, generally, but I don't necessarily, I can't necessarily say if that's true,

[0:57:40] Voice 6: too, especially when I see in the follow-up action list, staff actions complete and will

[0:57:46] Voice 6: note site visit if desired for application. So, I don't know, I have the assumption that

[0:57:52] Voice 6: a site visit by the Penelope Nation in collaboration with the applicant and maybe the Worker Press

[0:58:00] Voice 6: Committee is warranted here. And then if we're waiting for a covenant, that I want

[0:58:06] Voice 6: to know that that is also part of the umbrella awareness that's necessary the language that's

[0:58:14] Voice 6: used in that covenant may or may not be necessary for it to be a referral to the

[0:58:19] Voice 6: penultimate nation and i don't know what that picture really looks like

[0:58:23] Voice 5: lots of questions yeah

[0:58:25] Voice 5: well

[0:58:26] Voice 6: i

[0:58:29] Voice 3: know i want to give her a chance to respond but just for the public's information when you go

[0:58:37] Voice 3: go to our website, which now has the Indigenous Relations Action Plan, under C, administration,

[0:58:44] Voice 3: which is mostly what we do. We do administer information, pass it back and forth. That's

[0:58:51] Voice 3: what this government does. There is a very strong set of, I'll send you the, if you just

[0:58:59] Voice 3: go, there's a link there. Anyway, but there is, to establish a staff Indigenous engagement

[0:59:06] Voice 3: engagement coordination group to

[0:59:08] Voice 3: align Islands Trust engagement processes, share information,

[0:59:11] Voice 3: and ensure a consistent and culturally safe approach across all departments. There's

[0:59:15] Voice 3: six or seven different items in there, including the First Nations Referrals Action Plan, which was

[0:59:21] Voice 3: approved by Trust Council, which may include procedures, primers of Islands Trust jurisdiction

[0:59:28] Voice 3: checklist, templates, and a bylaw approval coordination flowchart. So the intent is all

[0:59:36] Voice 3: there and it's been approved by Council I think we don't have yet we haven't had

[0:59:42] Voice 3: a case study of how the change in procedure is going to work to us

[0:59:49] Voice 6: or some real-world example

[0:59:51] Voice 3: of course yeah I think one of them yeah it's

[1:00:00] Voice 6: Yeah, and I'll say, actually, my previous role, I had a much deeper level of awareness of

[1:00:06] Voice 5: day

[1:00:07] Voice 6: -to-day activities, and I was no longer in that.

[1:00:10] Voice 3: Which is good to hear. And it's good, because the public is also in the place of, like, what is happening?

[1:00:15] Voice 5: We don't know.

[1:00:16] Voice 3: Yeah. So, Renee, I don't know what you can share at this time, but when we look at this particular rezoning application,

[1:00:28] Voice 3: So how does that information come back to us about how the engagement is coming in?

[1:00:38] Voice 3: So I, because I haven't had a chance to think of a good answer on the spot, except to say

[1:00:48] Voice 3: there are some bigger plans through Trust Council that are in the works.

[1:00:52] Voice 3: So as part of the next steps, I think that's going to take place.

[1:00:56] Voice 3: Those questions are the types of actions as to, okay, if Trust Council supported the Indigenous Relations Action Plan, how do we implement some of these actions?

[1:01:13] Voice 3: We're going to definitely need to update our processes.

[1:01:16] Voice 3: How that's going to happen, don't quite have that answer for you, but it's going to be a reporting out to Trust Council.

[1:01:25] Voice 3: and there's a bunch of other options in there as well that i can't speak to off the top of my head

[1:01:29] Voice 3: i just don't have the information um so that that's what i'm referring to in the next steps

[1:01:34] Voice 3: that staff i think will need to work through and report out at the next trust council meeting i

[1:01:42] Voice 3: believe that's all i'm planning service is ready to um to look at some of that profession at least

[1:01:49] Voice 3: where impersonation referral framework piece fades into and other activities or recommendations

[1:01:57] Voice 3: feed into Indigenous action. The Indigenous Action Plan is an overarching document. There's a whole

[1:02:04] Voice 3: bunch of ideas and activities suggested. Planning Services has some pieces that we've been working

[1:02:10] Voice 3: on, one of which would relate to how are we going to update our processes and how we work,

[1:02:16] Voice 3: how we work on projects applications and so on so i don't have an

[1:02:20] Voice 3: answer to share right now with

[1:02:23] Voice 3: certainty of how we're going to do it um besides say when we work on official meeting plan and

[1:02:31] Voice 3: rezoning applications and updates there are referrals that we have to do and stop and

[1:02:38] Voice 3: continue to bring that those applications and opportunities to the ltc to say he didn't want to

[1:02:44] Voice 3: do early referrals you want to share this information of early applications that are

[1:02:49] Voice 3: minimum um and that i think is those are just what's currently ongoing um i think there's an

[1:02:58] Voice 3: idea to do right and that's what we need to report it is how in what instances and what examples can

[1:03:05] Voice 3: And that conversation includes patients to understand, making

[1:03:15] Voice 4: sure we're addressing their

[1:03:17] Voice 4: needs.

[1:03:19] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:03:20] Voice 3: But to get help is hard for us to know and to answer to constituents when they have these

[1:03:30] Voice 3: questions.

[1:03:33] Voice 3: That's just...

[1:03:34] Voice 3: In speaking

[1:03:34] Voice 3: to the rezoning application, for example, I think the letter that Penelakut

[1:03:41] Voice 3: get provided is something that we can, we can sit in and write

[1:03:49] Voice 3: to say, Okay, we need to, these are rare ones to get to. Yeah.

[1:03:52] Voice 3: Right. So I think that's where we can report out. But

[1:03:58] Voice 5: that's

[1:03:59] Voice 3: just for one application.

[1:04:00] Voice 3: I think it needs to do more. It needs to do a better job, not just on an application.

[1:04:12] Voice 4: So, you

[1:04:13] Voice 5: know, I'm

[1:04:14] Voice 6: glad that you raised a number of things in your response there, particularly that some of this, or maybe all of this, is in council steps.

[1:04:33] Voice 5: And

[1:04:34] Voice 6: particularly, and I'm trying not to let my hands come up here, particularly that the policy statement has not advanced.

[1:04:47] And in fact, in some respects,

[1:04:49] Voice 6: some of the language has historically been included in the policy statement, has been withdrawn.

[1:04:55] Voice 6: wrong. And so some of those areas where a strong adopted new policy statement that recognizes

[1:05:04] Voice 6: indigenous rights and equity would be something that we can stand on to say this is how we're

[1:05:12] Voice 6: going to do it. We don't have that. And that target is moving all the time. And that a year

[1:05:19] Voice 6: or two or two years ago, the policy statement as it came forward was a very strong target.

[1:05:26] Voice 4: developing our governance with First Nations.

[1:05:35] Voice 6: And I'd say we've pulled back

[1:05:37] Voice 6: in many respects in some areas of that.

[1:05:40] Voice 6: And we are not going to adopt that this term.

[1:05:43] Voice 6: That's not anybody at this table's fault.

[1:05:45] Voice 6: That's the way it is.

[1:05:47] Voice 6: But it certainly restricts us from having confidence

[1:05:51] Voice 6: in moving forward with any nation anywhere

[1:05:54] Voice 6: rare and having knowing what our commitment is to them that we have to stand up to and so i don't

[1:06:04] Voice 6: really need to drill into this any further other than i'm curious because i don't know um has

[1:06:13] Voice 6: penelaket been supported in engaging on the policy statement as a document at this point are they

[1:06:20] Voice 6: one of the consulting partners

[1:06:21] Voice 3: it's the information on the website the referral response yeah i don't

[1:06:26] Voice 3: know off the top of my head but i'll look it up i can look it up sure

[1:06:31] Voice 6: anyway um i'm just pointing

[1:06:35] Voice 6: out that um the overall needs to be more aware for the local trust committee but also the public

[1:06:43] Voice 6: need to be aware of what's going on um and of course the nations need to have confidence in

[1:06:50] Voice 6: knowing that we're genuinely going to be engaging them with them in a meaningful way and we're not

[1:06:56] Voice 6: that we're failing on some of the initial we've said that we have because we've had some very

[1:07:01] Voice 6: strong uh uh concerns expressed to us about the work that we've done in the past and we don't need

[1:07:09] Voice 6: to repeat that so

[1:07:12] Voice 3: in answer to the has penelope been engaged um we can go to the project library

[1:07:20] Voice 3: project in the islands 2050 and I can go through and get a response back but yeah I mean the

[1:07:32] Voice 3: information from director for greater to executive committee at our last meeting is that so the

[1:07:41] Voice 3: agency referral responses that we've received on the policy statement that table is coming

[1:07:48] Voice 3: to the Committee of the Whole. And in discussion at that table, the Director stated it's not complete,

[1:07:58] Voice 3: and there is still, there's I think 10 out of the 30 First Nations who are really, that we've requested,

[1:08:07] Voice 3: that we have a responsibility to engage with, 10 have, we are engaged with a back and forth dialogue,

[1:08:15] Voice 3: of and there is still a lot of work and so this project is not complete from the referral response

[1:08:22] Voice 3: perspective because there's still ongoing discussions about capacity funding how how to

[1:08:31] Voice 3: ensure that the um that what we're hearing and then if we make changes then we need to go back to

[1:08:40] Voice 3: First Nations and again do a process check. So this is why the project has, not why, but one of

[1:08:46] Voice 3: the reasons it's all slowing down because we're still in this building relationship. How do we

[1:08:55] Voice 3: engage? Who needs to be at the table? Who's the point of contact? So all I can say is that

[1:09:02] Voice 3: that information is on the website as to what we have to date but I get back to the local trust

[1:09:09] Voice 3: committee level what do we need to know like let's think about this for the future projects or for

[1:09:15] Voice 3: a request for the next LTC even just a a brief framework of here's our projects here's the

[1:09:24] Voice 3: resilience what is the status update on engagement with Penelope in particular the LTC would like to

[1:09:32] Voice 3: know and the incoming ltc may need to know what has been done and that could just be a simple

[1:09:38] Voice 3: status update on all the open applications um response to the minor project that now isn't

[1:09:46] Voice 3: going ahead so maybe think of a resolution or a motion to staff to ask for a simple

[1:09:52] Voice 3: update on all you know applications and referrals coming from the local trust committee

[1:09:59] Voice 3: what has been the response and how that will give the future ltc some information

[1:10:06] Voice 3: is that what you're thinking because if we can spend a lot of time talking about policies and

[1:10:14] Voice 3: procedures where that's going to go it's in the it's in the indigenous relations action plan

[1:10:17] Voice 3: that's up there but that is this is the path we are walking but i think a good status update would

[1:10:25] Voice 3: be helpful for this meeting so let's move on i think we're just going around the circle here

[1:10:31] Voice 3: but i agree there needs to be a holistic understanding which you've brought up and

[1:10:36] Voice 3: you've brought up yes right i think we've jumped a little bit i don't like section

[1:10:43] Voice 3: 13 of staff reports when we get to the applications i can share an update

[1:10:50] Voice 3: on the rezoning for the water.

[1:10:56] Voice 3: Well, yes.

[1:10:58] Voice 3: We have not yet reached.

[1:11:00] Voice 3: We don't have any applications.

[1:11:01] Voice 3: No, there's no applications.

[1:11:05] Voice 3: So, well, we are in Section 9 still.

[1:11:09] Voice 3: We jumped back to the fuel.

[1:11:11] Voice 6: Yeah, I distracted you.

[1:11:13] Voice 3: Yeah, we worked through the referral responses,

[1:11:17] Voice 3: and now we're just into staff reports.

[1:11:18] Voice 3: it's really our actual structure but we haven't really started so we're actually still applications

[1:11:22] Voice 3: okay do you have an update i do okay so um just for reference on page 51 of the agenda

[1:11:36] Voice 3: um under open applications this is we want to refer to as the reso

[1:11:41] Voice 3: zoning, PLR 70-2025-0072 for the Walsh application. So just to

[1:11:53] Voice 3: provide a brief update on the action that was in the call

[1:11:59] Voice 3: action list for this is that staff are working to bring a

[1:12:04] Voice 3: file back to the LTC in August with referral responses and

[1:12:09] Voice 3: And looking to recommend second reading and direction for a date and time of public hearing and community information meeting and public hearing.

[1:12:19] Voice 3: So that won't be for August. The community information meeting and public hearing will be in the fall after elections with what staff are able to do.

[1:12:30] Voice 3: That's subject to coming to local trust committee for that direction.

[1:12:36] Voice 5: And

[1:12:37] Voice 3: second, we're working with the applicant to draft an Environmental Archaeological Protection

[1:12:42] Voice 3: Covenant.

[1:12:43] Voice 3: So that's the last.

[1:12:46] Voice 3: Archaeological, say that again?

[1:12:48] Voice 3: Second, we're going to be drafting an Archaeological Environmental Protection Covenant with the

[1:12:53] Voice 3: applicant.

[1:12:54] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:12:56] Voice 3: So the Local Trust Committee will see that as well in the August meeting.

[1:13:02] Voice 3: should be ready in time it was already settled excellent

[1:13:07] Voice 5: great

[1:13:11] Voice 3: to know that is

[1:13:11] Voice 3: you want to have any questions thank you for that update okay now we can move into reports

[1:13:21] Voice 3: uh page 44 um quite a good quarterly report uh this went to trust council from the honest trust

[1:13:31] Voice 3: Conservancy. We had asked that they also be posted to all local trust committees so that they can

[1:13:37] Voice 3: appear on the agenda. This wasn't being done consistently, so this report's already been seen.

[1:13:42] Voice 3: Conservancy always gives a quarterly report and this includes everything strategic planning,

[1:13:49] Voice 3: operations, projects that are being worked on, covenant property securements.

[1:13:53] Voice 3: The big project of course is engagement with nations on the five-year plan.

[1:13:57] Voice 3: I can say that it is going well. There is quite a lot of interest. At least five nations have responded with they want to engage in the process, want more information.

[1:14:08] Voice 3: And there is active conversation about how, in particular, how can ecological monitoring and, of course, the baseline inventory of ecosystem now no longer includes just ecosystems,

[1:14:24] Voice 3: systems as in biological forms on the ground it is including archaeological and heritage components

[1:14:33] Voice 3: so trust council did approve in the last budget at least funding for at least two archaeological

[1:14:40] Voice 3: assessments for any for new protected areas for covenant areas coming in and that will be

[1:14:47] Voice 3: at the standard going forward um it's this is really exciting work like i think this is where

[1:14:54] Voice 3: islands trust is going to lead because you know these are protected areas that are held

[1:14:59] Voice 3: for the province these are public lands for the purpose of protecting them and we can work with

[1:15:06] Voice 3: nations on how that stewardship monitoring and heritage monitoring happens so this is a really

[1:15:14] Voice 3: interesting area that um i think folks should should look closely to conservancy is going to

[1:15:20] Voice 3: lead and how is that working around and there's no other reports in this agenda so i'm sorry that

[1:15:33] Voice 3: was the applications report we're referring to so do we want to take a bit of a pause i feel

[1:15:44] Voice 3: talking too much or just dive into our work program and i'd like to have a or invite a

[1:15:50] Voice 3: free-flowing discussion um with pauses so the minute taker can keep up um let's clean up this

[1:15:59] Voice 3: uh this active project report it's on page 58 which is nothing and sorry 59 our future projects

[1:16:07] Voice 3: report and just look at that again is there anything to be removed anything to add or

[1:16:12] Voice 3: clarify so that the new incoming trust committee can look at this and understand why these items

[1:16:19] Voice 3: are here um and is there anything else that we would like to add

[1:16:33] Voice 4: um so

[1:16:43] Voice 6: we also we're looking

[1:16:44] Voice 6: at future projects here because

[1:16:46] Voice 4: in

[1:16:49] Voice 6: terms of a future local trust committee i think it would be

[1:16:55] Voice 6: helpful if it's possible for us to have more detail associated with this future project what

[1:17:03] Voice 6: it is that let's just say is on the record or what staff know about what these potential future

[1:17:11] Voice 6: projects are so that indeed if future ltc can make a decision as to whether or not that aligns with

[1:17:17] Voice 6: with current interests or their own interests

[1:17:21] Voice 6: and work to get prepared to advance.

[1:17:24] Voice 6: There are some that are more important than others

[1:17:29] Voice 6: and some that are connected back

[1:17:32] Voice 6: to the policy statement work,

[1:17:36] Voice 6: but I can't help but come back to where a lot of time

[1:17:42] Voice 6: and energy has been invested so far

[1:17:44] Voice 6: are, is in the shoreline development work. And then particularly of interest is the Islands

[1:17:54] Voice 6: Butte and Dunsmuir in Lake Smiths Harbour, which has been on our list as needing to be

[1:18:01] Voice 6: addressed as they are vulnerable to development since our last OCP, which is, I think, almost

[1:18:10] Voice 6: 12 years ago. And I know that the Chimayness Nation is also concerned about those islands,

[1:18:23] Voice 6: but there's not any current threat at the moment. One is owned by a yacht club,

[1:18:28] Voice 6: the other is privately owned. But

[1:18:30] Voice 6: there's potential for all kinds of development

[1:18:32] Voice 6: and debt which is not constrained by any kind of uh current uh

[1:18:38] Voice 6: island's trust bylaws still exists

[1:18:41] Voice 6: under um the original world development bylaws so some kind of detail on those to

[1:18:51] Voice 6: inform the incoming local trust committee what's on their plate potentially i

[1:18:57] Voice 3: concur um and from

[1:19:00] Voice 3: from the point of view that the baldus island conservancy remember they made a visitation to us

[1:19:06] Voice 3: april 1st 2025 and there was great concern about the outdated land use bylaw for baldus and so

[1:19:16] Voice 3: we've heard from labs and first nation remember when we were talking about the

[1:19:22] Voice 3: the connected coast project and putting that station um if it was on the accident well and

[1:19:34] Voice 3: and they've been working with lay accident so we've been very strongly why why is this outdated

[1:19:38] Voice 3: land use bylaw requiring that this project be referred to the local trust i think it's from 1989

[1:19:45] Voice 3: 89 or something 98. so that land used to be around that would be in the late 90s

[1:19:52] Voice 3: so it's that sort of the shoreline of the rural what's it called rural development bylaw no world

[1:19:58] Voice 3: yeah

[1:19:58] Voice 6: i forget the exact language but yeah the interesting thing is and i'm glad you've raised

[1:20:03] Voice 6: that because in fact amendments were made to that particular bylaw on specifically valdez in that 89

[1:20:15] Voice 6: However, just in contrast, Butte and Dunsmuir Islands, that received absolutely no attention

[1:20:24] Voice 6: in the entire lifetime.

[1:20:27] Voice 3: So Butte and Dunsmuir Islands are associated islands.

[1:20:32] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:20:32] Voice 3: And are they populated?

[1:20:37] Voice 4: Well,

[1:20:37] Voice 6: people own them.

[1:20:39] Voice 6: People own them?

[1:20:41] Voice 6: I don't know that people live on it full-time or not, but there's a Yacht Club outstation on one and essentially a part-time residence on the other.

[1:20:51] Voice 3: So we've got a few different ideas going on here. So the Valdez Land Use By-law Amendment at the request of the Valdez Conservancy.

[1:20:59] Voice 3: There's a number of concerns brought up for Valdez.

[1:21:02] Voice 3: There was concerns brought up on LACS and about their preserved land and why we have a rural development land use by-law, which my recollection is it goes from the high water mark out like 100 meters to the sea.

[1:21:19] Voice 3: It's kind of, it's...

[1:21:22] Voice 6: Yeah, so thanks

[1:21:23] Voice 3: for raising that.

[1:21:24] Voice 6: Because the preserved land is under federal jurisdiction.

[1:21:29] Voice 6: We have no say whatsoever.

[1:21:30] Voice 6: but we we have indiscriminately historically presumed all of the waters surrounding all of

[1:21:38] Voice 6: the islands and we have not recognized that reserve links that above the water front which

[1:21:45] Voice 6: is fairly typical are being impacted by the zoning that we have placed on the water and that question

[1:21:52] Voice 6: was raised and indeed that's a question that should be addressed but all of them yeah as to

[1:22:00] Voice 6: whether or not that's appropriate that we are zoning the waterfront up to the high water of

[1:22:05] Voice 6: reserve land and uh it's a great question and should be addressed i'm

[1:22:12] Voice 3: just looking up the maps

[1:22:14] Voice 3: So this is a good, what I'm hearing from the discussion is, and it's included in the future

[1:22:24] Voice 3: project list is the associated islands, OCP and land use by law review, capturing Valdez

[1:22:30] Voice 3: Island, capturing a look at updating areas.

[1:22:36] Voice 3: So that's something that can be captured or added if it's not clear to that future project

[1:22:42] Voice 3: list. And just to add as a note, any reserve lands are zoning land use bylaw has no effect on reserve lands. But if there's a feedback or a question that has played through previous referrals, that how the adjacency or

[1:23:04] Voice 3: what happened the relationship between the land areas, because

[1:23:10] Voice 3: Because the bylaws are old, that's not what you need to have.

[1:23:15] Voice 3: It's not that our OCP implicates it.

[1:23:20] Voice 3: It's that there is a rural land use bylaw from 1998

[1:23:25] Voice 3: that goes around Valdez Island.

[1:23:31] Voice 3: It's the marine area, and so the province put that zoning in place.

[1:23:36] Voice 3: It's not to do, we hold that land use bylaw still.

[1:23:39] Voice 3: still. That's why we had to undertake a process to draft by-laws with the Connected Coast

[1:23:45] Voice 3: Project. And even though this is all reserved, it still includes, it surrounds the reserved

[1:23:53] Voice 3: land. So that is an inconsistency with, yes, we don't have this federal and First Nation

[1:23:59] Voice 3: jurisdiction, but yet we have a land use by-law because of the 1998 historical zoning classification.

[1:24:07] Voice 3: So, there's a few different, Edvaldas is very complicated, there was a number of issues

[1:24:15] Voice 3: that was raised about forest activity, the leasehold lots, proximity of areas that are

[1:24:29] Voice 3: are open for hunting to the big cabins that are that are there um so i'm not sure how to pull this

[1:24:39] Voice 3: together and then people who've done this mirror islands i'm not seeing that those are even

[1:24:42] Voice 3: captured yeah they're not captured in the associated islands no

[1:24:46] Voice 6: they're not land use

[1:24:47] Voice 3: by law.

[1:24:47] Voice 6: Well, if Jimenez passed it, then it'd be exempted from the last two years of the event.

[1:24:52] Voice 4: Jimenez? Yeah.

[1:24:56] Voice 6: They're in, uh, they're, uh, that's their last decision.

[1:25:03] Voice 3: Okay, well, so as part of his curvature project list, we can update this note here to add

[1:25:11] Voice 3: some information to Valdez Island and anything else. Yeah, we can list them all.

[1:25:19] Voice 3: Yeah, that's kind of where we're going with it then.

[1:25:21] Voice 6: But you know, just for clarity, in the entire Islands Trust area, it's not just about a rural language file on Valdez Island.

[1:25:32] Voice 6: It's the water zoning that the Islands Trust holds on all of the waters surrounding all of the islands, quite possibly even Penelope, which is inappropriate.

[1:25:46] Voice 6: appropriate. And it's

[1:25:47] Voice 6: actually surprising that after 50 years,

[1:25:50] Voice 6: that the federal government hasn't expressed a concern with

[1:25:55] Voice 6: their responsibilities associated with reserve lands

[1:25:58] Voice 6: that are identified in reserves. The Islands Trust is

[1:26:01] Voice 6: encroaching upon.

[1:26:02] Voice 6: Yes, the

[1:26:04] Voice 3: right and encroaching on the rights of the nation.

[1:26:06] Voice 3: Yeah. So if you look at the Thetis Local Trust Committee,

[1:26:10] Voice 3: land use bylaw, as it is written today, when it says

[1:26:13] Voice 3: jurisdiction i'll just read it out section 1.2 this bylaw applies to that part of the theater

[1:26:19] Voice 3: design local trust area shown on schedule b without limiting the formal right going this

[1:26:24] Voice 3: includes theta silent and the areas seaward of its shoreline encompassing all other islands rocks and

[1:26:30] Voice 3: reefs the seabed and the sea surface plus any other water surface areas and all area spaces

[1:26:35] Voice 3: spaces within the boundary zone on Schedule B. And that's, like, it is. And it's kind

[1:26:43] Voice 3: of crazy that that was the province's or the Crown's decision. It's like, we're going to

[1:26:47] Voice 3: give, let's trust zoning. And sorry, please go ahead, Ken.

[1:26:52] Voice 7: In the referral from the province that we're going to be talking about on July 22nd, on

[1:26:59] on page 2. They're referring to the mapping and it says about the map

[1:27:05] Voice 7: could also be better aligned

[1:27:07] Voice 7: with the map on the overview of the Alex Trust web page. This map features island labels which

[1:27:13] Voice 7: generally point to the island land masses rather than the waters surrounding each island. This is

[1:27:20] Voice 7: more accurate and preferable to the map that was currently shown in the policy statement.

[1:27:26] it is suggested that labels of trustworthy maps be applied to the land rather than the water

[1:27:33] wherever possible okay

[1:27:35] Voice 7: that's right who's that that's from bc government that's from

[1:27:40] Voice 3: municipal ferris but that's referring to a mountain it's not changing jurisdiction but

[1:27:48] Voice 3: that you're right that's an area that we're going to have to look at gosh

[1:27:54] Voice 4: Yeah, that's not good.

[1:27:55] Voice 4: So,

[1:27:56] Voice 3: Chair, if I may suggest, we don't need to necessarily delve into deep conversation

[1:28:01] Voice 3: about how to do

[1:28:03] Voice 3: it, but I would suggest capturing the essence of that, so that we can add to

[1:28:10] Voice 3: the future project list, and then, as part of the new term, there will be, I think, the

[1:28:17] Voice 3: ideas of the hearse, we will need to share this with the local

[1:28:21] Voice 3: trust. We need to create some some actions to sort of the

[1:28:27] Voice 3: local trust. Yeah, these projects.

[1:28:33] Voice 3: Well, and clarifying jurisdiction would definitely

[1:28:36] Voice 3: be a trust area services project that's an engagement with the

[1:28:40] Voice 3: the province matters that all but it's so I'm, I'm, I would

[1:28:50] Voice 3: like to see captured in the future projects, sort of areas

[1:28:54] Voice 3: to investigate the Valdez Island Conservancy's concerns that were

[1:29:00] Voice 3: articulated April 1, we see which of those particularly the

[1:29:09] Voice 3: the Valdez land use bylaw amendment, there was a request to review the land use bylaw.

[1:29:17] Voice 3: The associated islands, so Valdez Island rural land use bylaw 1998, which is Schedule C.

[1:29:30] Voice 3: Is that different from the, that is the land use bylaw, but you're right that

[1:29:41] Voice 6: needs to be resolved.

[1:29:43] Voice 3: It does.

[1:29:44] Voice 6: And, you know, it's an interesting concept, right, when you start thinking about this,

[1:29:49] Voice 6: this colonial power that we have inherited, um, like if you, you know, I'll just, I'll

[1:29:58] Voice 6: just, maybe.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: But if you rent a car, you're responsible for the care, well, and maintenance of the vehicle that you're into.

[1:30:06] Voice 6: So as the colonial inheritors of Dunsmuir and the islands, and land use, we have a responsibility to care.

[1:30:16] Voice 6: And we have not articulated that.

[1:30:20] Or

[1:30:23] Voice 3: maybe to remove ourselves where the responsibility to care is not actually ours to administer.

[1:30:31] Voice 3: Mr.

[1:30:31] Voice 6: Well, that would be another good question. However, that's not part of the problem, it's

[1:30:36] Voice 6: very designated.

[1:30:37] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:30:38] Voice 6: Sorry.

[1:30:39] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:30:39] Voice 3: May I suggest, so under the hydroponic list, we have develop a new OCP-mint by-law to replace

[1:30:48] Voice 3: the CBRD by-law 110. I'll have to check to make sure that's still, that's referencing

[1:30:57] Voice 3: and to include other islands with no zone. It says the scope does not include Valdez Island so we can

[1:31:04] Voice 3: add that's another point to say add Valdez Island planning area. I'm suggesting maybe update

[1:31:13] Voice 3: policies and maps to reflect First Nation reserved lands contemplate land uses with reserved lands

[1:31:22] Voice 3: clarifying jurisdiction, island's trust, ground planning, staff will, the idea is that you capture some, some of these big wants and ideas, staff will look at all of that and prepare a list of, and advise if this is a major project, advise if it's a major project,

[1:31:45] Voice 3: work with you to develop sort of a scope of work right make sure we have it captured properly

[1:31:51] Voice 3: so that could be that could be something second bring back as a sort of an overview yeah and then

[1:31:59] Voice 3: right to talk about a little bit about a little bit i'm not sure what you're meaning by the cbrd

[1:32:05] Voice 3: bylaw 110 that's a it's a reference it's bylaw reference number 110 so it could be

[1:32:13] Voice 3: it could be referencing that regional district bylaw but again i just want to make sure

[1:32:20] Voice 3: i have to confirm that it's i don't think well

[1:32:22] Voice 5: we have the

[1:32:23] Voice 3: land use bylaws for all this that's

[1:32:26] Voice 3: that's the problem i wasn't referring to cpr against bylaw i'm referring to our land use bylaw

[1:32:33] Voice 3: and which includes an inallocate and this rural land use bylaw which is a different one

[1:32:40] Voice 3: for all these to collect all those bylaws and consolidate them no just understand like where

[1:32:46] Voice 3: we've had information from my accident it is inappropriate for your government

[1:32:52] Voice 3: to have a land use rural land use bylaw from 1998 that zones out the water the high water mark

[1:33:00] Voice 3: in in our reserve lands that is not

[1:33:04] Voice 3: our territory okay so why is that why do we still have that

[1:33:08] Voice 3: land use bylaw that may be a project that has to cycle up to the trust area services

[1:33:13] Voice 3: that's a concern that the nation has said that and it should be listed in the items that

[1:33:19] Voice 3: this ltc needs to have information on how do we how are we addressing it from islands trust we

[1:33:26] Voice 1: can't know that at

[1:33:26] Voice 3: the local review and updating that particular review and update the rural land

[1:33:32] Voice 3: land use bylaw the valdez island land use bylaw which is the second one uh there is an intent to

[1:33:42] Voice 3: the memo of understanding the stamina station for a stakeholder process regarding mutant dunsmuir

[1:33:47] Voice 3: islands that's already captured sure

[1:33:50] Voice 6: um but maybe i'll just add a little bit of information i just

[1:33:54] Voice 6: did a search for cdrg bylaw 10 refers to the original zoning by author electoral area h

[1:34:00] Voice 6: H. North Oyster Diamond, initially adopted in 1974, this by-law is primarily of historical significance as it was fully repealed and replaced by Electoral Area H. Zoning By-law 1020 in the late 80s.

[1:34:15] Voice 6: So the information we have is not obviously current.

[1:34:19] Voice 3: So I don't,

[1:34:20] Voice 3: yeah, remove that CPRD by-law 110. It doesn't exist.

[1:34:23] Voice 3: this we have the rules other

[1:34:24] Voice 6: than the fact that it needs to view and doesn't remember islanders

[1:34:29] Voice 6: not covered by any kind of violence

[1:34:32] Voice 3: i can stop you to go back and make sure we're referencing

[1:34:37] Voice 3: in an update referencing whatever these models just so it's very clear so it sounds like we need

[1:34:45] Voice 3: to be more clear in any of these referencing so i'm going to add that to the list the future

[1:34:51] Voice 3: your project list um that that review the rural bylaw rural land use bylaw so we're going to have

[1:35:00] Voice 3: to find out what the reference is for that well it's on our regulatory bylaws website it's called

[1:35:06] Voice 3: baldins on the rural land use bylaw uh 2023 schedule c it's attached to our it's one of

[1:35:16] Voice 3: our regular degree. Number 23. Well, it's, what is that? It's

[1:35:23] Voice 3: from 1998. Schedule C is what's what's on the map. But it's it's

[1:35:29] Voice 3: in the Valdez Island zoning map rural land use bylaw. You'll

[1:35:33] Voice 3: find it in the

[1:35:34] Voice 3: Okay, so that's the only for referencing the rural land use

[1:35:39] Voice 3: bylaw for referencing the Valdez.

[1:35:41] Voice 3: But now further, they write that there is jurisdiction even around Connecticut Island.

[1:35:49] Voice 6: On the water?

[1:35:50] Voice 6: On the water.

[1:35:50] Voice 6: I suspect that that's true.

[1:35:52] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:35:52] Voice 6: That's in the book.

[1:35:53] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:35:54] Voice 3: And that's why we had, and my accent came back and said, why do you have this jurisdiction?

[1:36:01] Voice 3: So I just want to make sure we're referencing which violence.

[1:36:04] Voice 3: There's a few, roughly.

[1:36:06] Voice 3: And we could list all of them.

[1:36:07] Voice 3: Well,

[1:36:08] Voice 6: if you focus on the LTC, then it's those bylaws that you have listed.

[1:36:14] Voice 6: Although, keep in, make a note here that CBRD electoral area H zoning bylaw number 1020

[1:36:21] Voice 6: has been in place since the late 80s, and of course is about to be replaced with a new

[1:36:29] Voice 6: bylaw by the CBRD, which has been put on, which was that whole big fuss that happened

[1:36:35] Voice 6: just recently because it's a whole new

[1:36:37] Voice 6: amalgamated zoning by law to cover all the couch evaluation

[1:36:42] Voice 6: district and that is going to be up for review after the election in 2026. so that's a really

[1:36:50] Voice 6: active thought on another jurisdiction of which we have little or no control certainly the the amount

[1:37:00] Voice 6: The amount of referrals that we've received from the CBRD have been, in my mind, very limited, and the consultation to us has been very limited.

[1:37:10] Voice 3: Sure, but we're just talking about our bylaws first, and then we can talk about regional districts.

[1:37:18] Voice 4: Yeah, I

[1:37:18] Voice 3: want to, I don't think that CBRD violates any.

[1:37:22] Voice 3: Yeah, it's not, because the zoning, we have the zoning, they don't.

[1:37:26] Voice 3: So it doesn't matter if CFRD has something like that.

[1:37:29] Voice 6: Well, you're absolutely right, but if somebody tells you, you've got to be mad.

[1:37:33] Voice 3: Sorry, John, do you have anything?

[1:37:35] Voice 7: I was just going to comment that do we really have jurisdiction over the water around Phoenix Island or any other area?

[1:37:43] Voice 7: It's literally listed.

[1:37:44] Voice 7: On the seafloor, not on the water. Actually, that's an important distinction.

[1:37:49] Well, do we on the seafloor when we say, let's not do this?

[1:37:52] government

[1:37:53] Voice 6: promises you ever do oh well thank you for saying that you're right

[1:37:58] Voice 6: is the government respecting the power you know that's something with powers and trust

[1:38:04] Voice 6: that's

[1:38:04] Voice 7: another

[1:38:08] Voice 3: question

[1:38:10] Voice 3: so in answer to your question renee under our regulatory bylaws so venus island

[1:38:19] Voice 3: with respect to baldess baldess island rural land use bylaw number 42 refers to the land use bylaw

[1:38:29] Voice 3: that was created in 1998 and was consolidated in 2024 so it's but it hasn't been updated

[1:38:38] Voice 3: i guess it was well it was updated in 2024 i just need to know the current name of the bylaw 42

[1:38:46] Voice 3: Yeah, bylaw number 42. But then Butte and Dunsmuir are those unzoned ones. Then we've got an associated island land use bylaw number 94, which...

[1:39:01] Voice 4: And they were originally included in that bylaw number.

[1:39:05] Voice 3: Oh, no. It does include Butte and Dunkirk Island.

[1:39:10] Voice 3: Bylaw number 94.

[1:39:13] Voice 3: Braxton, Reed, Highladies, Hudson, Scott,

[1:39:16] Voice 3: Daymond, Tree, Mead, and Dunsmuir Islands.

[1:39:22] Voice 6: Well, that's interesting.

[1:39:26] Voice 6: Because it was purposely, those islands were exempted.

[1:39:29] Voice 6: It may be that it says that.

[1:39:32] Voice 3: Oh, interesting.

[1:39:35] Voice 3: Oh, interesting.

[1:39:37] Voice 3: So the bylaws, the problem with bylaws are repealed, and we need staff to do so. This is, this is a whole

[1:39:43] Voice 4: messy area that

[1:39:44] Voice 3: we'd love some reporting back on.

[1:39:46] Voice 3: What I'm going

[1:39:47] Voice 3: to suggest as part of, maybe I'll use the opportunity as part of the future project list, is I can just

[1:39:55] Voice 3: label or list the current bylaws, and

[1:39:59] Voice 5: then the LTC will

[1:40:00] Voice 3: confirm it, and then I'll just name it.

[1:40:02] Voice 3: yeah i'll just maybe put some placeholders review and update yeah

[1:40:06] Voice 5: and i'll

[1:40:08] Voice 3: try and capture maybe the

[1:40:09] Voice 3: end at today's discussion what you would like and then just confirm for next meeting that that's

[1:40:16] Voice 3: perfect and we can for the next ltc we can go through what this has local trust area has for

[1:40:23] Voice 3: your bylaws and when they were last updated and what the desire is noted in the future project

[1:40:32] Voice 3: list update be careful what you're asking for well and then you're just listening right

[1:40:37] Voice 3: the others you can say we'd like to get started or look into these things and actually and please do

[1:40:46] Voice 3: look into the associated islands one because on the map it does not include even dunsmuir

[1:40:52] Voice 3: It lists Butte and Dunsmuir, but on the map, you've got Rusted Whalebone Pilates Tree,

[1:41:03] Voice 3: Dunsmuir Islands, but they're not zoned.

[1:41:08] Voice 3: It doesn't look like it.

[1:41:10] Voice 3: And that's what the note indicates is that to include other islands with no zoning.

[1:41:15] Voice 3: So I'm going to update that note to say include Butte and Dunsmuir Islands zoning.

[1:41:20] Voice 3: So wait, wait.

[1:41:25] Voice 3: Okay, so they are in Map C.

[1:41:27] Voice 6: They

[1:41:27] Voice 3: are in Map C. So butaned dunes mirror are zones.

[1:41:33] Voice 6: But not by, not covered in the associated.

[1:41:36] Voice 3: They are. Well they are. It is.

[1:41:40] Voice 6: Well, just because they're on the map doesn't necessarily mean they're not.

[1:41:42] Voice 3: No, but W5 zone applies here. W2 zone applies here.

[1:41:46] Voice 3: Oh,

[1:41:46] Voice 6: the water zone. Yes. Yes. That's entirely possible.

[1:41:49] Voice 6: I'm concerned about the items themselves.

[1:41:52] Voice 3: Well, it's R2. It was a residential 2 on the islands.

[1:41:58] Voice 3: It's ancient. It's ancient.

[1:41:59] Voice 3: Okay. Review and update all associated islands and Valdez Island land use bylaw and the rural land use bylaw, which I'm wondering if that's acceptable. I'm not sure.

[1:42:15] Voice 4: I

[1:42:16] Voice 3: will note it and confirm if it is the same or different. Thank you so much.

[1:42:20] Voice 3: Okay. Lots of confusions. I personally would love to see also that we review the concerns

[1:42:27] Voice 3: from the Valdez Island Conservancy that were articulated in that September, sorry, April

[1:42:32] Voice 3: 1st, 2025 meeting, whether there's anything that we can address. I think their main request

[1:42:39] Voice 3: was that the Valdez Land Use By-law, an amendment be considered as a project. So that should

[1:42:47] Voice 3: be on the list as a potential um

[1:42:50] Voice 6: maybe i'll just say you know renee there is quite likely

[1:42:56] Voice 6: information that you have that is post was post-public hearing at the time and they don't

[1:43:04] Voice 6: and there was a an agreement that was made that we would exclude them at

[1:43:16] Voice 6: at some critical juncture.

[1:43:19] Voice 6: But the protests about those islands came in

[1:43:22] Voice 6: from Chimayas First Nation, post-public hearing,

[1:43:27] Voice 6: and it almost .

[1:43:29] Voice 6: What is that?

[1:43:31] Voice 3: When?

[1:43:32] Voice 6: 2014.

[1:43:33] Voice 3: Okay, so 2014.

[1:43:35] Voice 6: So I'm just saying,

[1:43:37] Voice 6: it may not be even in the public record.

[1:43:39] Voice 3: Okay,

[1:43:40] Voice 6: okay, so here

[1:43:41] Voice 3: is interesting.

[1:43:42] Voice 3: So the Thetis Islands, we're learning in live time here, folks.

[1:43:47] Voice 3: This is your local trust committee learning.

[1:43:49] Voice 3: So the OCP, we've got Thetis Associated Islands Official Community Plan, not the LUB,

[1:43:55] Voice 4: does

[1:43:57] Voice 3: exclude Bute and Dunsmuir.

[1:43:59] Voice 4: So

[1:44:00] Voice 3: it lists Damon, Hudson, Pilates, Bruggeston, Scott Tree and Whalebone.

[1:44:05] Voice 3: So the OCP, Associated Islands, doesn't include them, the LUB does.

[1:44:12] Voice 3: that's where there's like inc so you can remember

[1:44:15] Voice 6: yeah because it was an ocp amendment it wasn't an

[1:44:17] Voice 6: lep event you

[1:44:19] Voice 3: can speak to any of this but this is something that you can great because we'll have to

[1:44:23] Voice 3: go in and look at all the bylaws now they've made immigration i think water zoning and jurisdiction

[1:44:29] Voice 3: and the particular lands that are reserved lands and the appropriate zoning for that

[1:44:35] Voice 3: this whole area because it relates to back to the shoreline project how are we considering

[1:44:42] Voice 3: this interface between the land and the sea and how are the how is the nation's interests rights

[1:44:51] Voice 3: access and decision making being affected by these legacy land use bylaws and ocps

[1:45:01] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:45:02] Voice 3: I think that is the project, or that should be on the project.

[1:45:08] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:45:08] Voice 6: so that the story needs to be conveyed in order for the incoming trustees to want to pick that up.

[1:45:15] Voice 3: Brilliant. Is there anything else we need to cut from doing at a resolution?

[1:45:20] Voice 3: I would like to repeat some of this back to Terri.

[1:45:25] Voice 3: We'll be quiet.

[1:45:28] Voice 3: um so adding to the future project list in addition to what's there

[1:45:37] Voice 3: under associated islands is to update and review the world land use bylaw and to confirm that that

[1:45:54] Voice 3: is included in any of the other bylaws we're going to also capture here update and review

[1:46:02] Voice 3: the Valdez Island Rural Land Use By-law Number 42. Include Ute and Dunsbert Islands Domee into the

[1:46:11] Voice 3: designated islands by-law. OCP there so OCP because they are included in the LEUB but not the OCP.

[1:46:24] Voice 3: okay philosophy bylaw address concerns any if any from the april 2025 letter from valdez island's

[1:46:37] Voice 3: conservancy april 1st and it was a delegation i believe it wasn't a letter they made that

[1:46:43] Voice 3: presentation and gave us notes the conservancy and their request was to update the valdez landis

[1:46:49] Voice 3: by them so we if there weren't um if they gave us notes that could be some of an opportunity to um

[1:46:58] Voice 3: include for future projects that's fine and i would rpm may i direct this one um if you can

[1:47:07] Voice 3: also make a note to liaise with the violence trust conservancy because the manager and i

[1:47:14] Voice 3: I had a meeting to clarify some of the concerns

[1:47:18] Voice 3: over jurisdiction and the Conservancy may have

[1:47:22] Voice 3: some more information about, I think there's some.

[1:47:25] Voice 3: So it's maybe instead I might suggest

[1:47:29] Voice 3: to include Conservancy, develop this Island Conservancy

[1:47:36] Voice 3: as part of their project or updates to the work.

[1:47:42] Voice 3: Just to make sure that we pull forward

[1:47:44] Voice 3: and if any of their information they have a change of refreshing um because if it wasn't a letter

[1:47:49] Voice 3: and we don't quite have notes i just want to make sure you pull it add it to the list i'm sure

[1:47:56] Voice 3: there's minutes from that meeting because they made a delegation during the meeting so it's

[1:48:00] Voice 3: on the internet okay i'll just check them and i also have pull in any information that came in

[1:48:06] Voice 3: after the public hearing did not proceed by the local trust committee in 2014

[1:48:10] Voice 3: 14, for any updates to the wildlife system.

[1:48:18] Voice 4: Ruth noted a pause here.

[1:48:27] Voice 3: It's interesting because we're turning

[1:48:28] Voice 3: from the Thetis Official Community Plan

[1:48:31] Voice 3: to all these other plans and schedules.

[1:48:38] Voice 3: So when we conclude this part of the conversation,

[1:48:41] Voice 3: I would like to return to the groundwater

[1:48:43] Voice 3: and watershed and water security question as well.

[1:48:48] Voice 3: So just

[1:48:50] Voice 4: making sure we've got everything.

[1:49:08] Voice 3: Interesting. I think DEDIS has the most complicated associated island, OCP, LEV, water zoning confusion. It's so interesting.

[1:49:22] Voice 3: I

[1:49:30] Voice 5: think that was all that I wanted to bring back.

[1:49:55] Voice 3: We may have missed something, so this is what a summary that you'll see back in August.

[1:50:01] Voice 3: yeah and if trustees are reminded of something that came up during the last four years can they

[1:50:09] Voice 3: just email can

[1:50:10] Voice 4: you add

[1:50:11] Voice 3: this to the things that we can discuss in august

[1:50:14] Voice 3: okay so if you've got something to do with maybe shoreline um the shoreline project could bubble up

[1:50:21] Voice 3: but bring that up and send it to staff so that they can you know if there's an interest in

[1:50:28] Voice 3: be going phase two so then that would be great um but we've also heard from the public about

[1:50:35] Voice 3: groundwater and about the freshwater sustainability strategy which is now in its 10th year

[1:50:41] Voice 3: um there is no see how to think of what was the list sorry forgive me the latest um so there's a

[1:50:59] Voice 3: bunch of different pieces that are held by uh different departments to do with groundwater

[1:51:05] Voice 3: water right so regional planning committee which is a committee that has had the fresh

[1:51:11] Voice 3: water sustainability strategy which i'm on the committee so um one of the outputs that's coming

[1:51:19] Voice 3: and i'm hoping that the next regional planning committee meeting you'll have an update on this

[1:51:23] Voice 3: is a water atlas and the water atlas i think i've reported to this community before

[1:51:30] Voice 3: is a GIS-based set of experiences

[1:51:35] Voice 3: that is open to the public,

[1:51:38] Voice 3: a public-facing portal that you can go in

[1:51:40] Voice 3: and understand the data,

[1:51:44] Voice 3: the provincial data that is available.

[1:51:47] Voice 3: And there's been, I think, four or five different...

[1:51:50] Voice 3: I don't want to misspeak

[1:51:52] Voice 3: because I'm pulling information here.

[1:51:54] Voice 3: So there is information coming.

[1:51:57] Voice 3: It is going to be...

[1:52:00] Voice 3: i'm not sure what level of the thetis local trust area is um will be presented in the atlas my

[1:52:09] Voice 3: understanding is that there's three experiences climate change uh potential impacts um don't

[1:52:16] Voice 3: remember the other two i can try to bring up my notes so let me follow up with you after

[1:52:21] Voice 3: um perhaps we can work more on a what does the thetis island community need to know

[1:52:28] Voice 3: about the state of groundwater and if there is a request which would probably go through

[1:52:36] Voice 3: trust council and to the next regional planning committee because that's sort of overseeing how

[1:52:40] Voice 3: the fresh water sustainability strategies own up rolling out what does the fetus island

[1:52:48] Voice 3: community need to know and how what what is its priority uh in terms of

[1:52:54] Voice 3: how islands trust can support planning and understanding the groundwater resources like

[1:53:01] Voice 3: you said there's only one monitoring well um is it advocacy to the province is it a local program

[1:53:13] Voice 3: to develop well well watchers monitoring system community monitoring networks so let's let's

[1:53:21] Voice 3: figure out what this is, is looking for in terms of groundwater planning, and then see

[1:53:30] Voice 3: where we're at from the Islands Trust, sort of overview side and what we can bring back

[1:53:35] Voice 3: to this meeting. I don't have real information, but the next Regional Planning Committee meeting

[1:53:41] Voice 3: is coming up, I think on Friday. So I think those are some of those questions. Yes.

[1:53:47] Voice 3: Yes. Would the LTC want to request staff bring back a report to share what available information

[1:54:00] Voice 3: there is on record for Phoenix for the August meeting? And then maybe in that way that could

[1:54:09] Voice 3: be discussed at the meeting. It's more just maybe a briefing to share

[1:54:12] Voice 3: with the LTC and

[1:54:14] Voice 3: the community can see that as well and suggest um and that could be added to a future budget books

[1:54:23] Voice 3: as well okay but in that way you can share what information you can share is available

[1:54:31] Voice 3: source that and have it for you okay okay um so it would be a form of a resolution to the

[1:54:40] Voice 3: the local trust committee press staff report back on information,

[1:54:47] Voice 3: freshwater study information that is currently available for

[1:54:55] Voice 3: the local trust area, the local trust area. We can promise minute

[1:55:04] Voice 3: ticker to repeat a motion. Sorry, Lisa, I'm just trying to

[1:55:14] Voice 3: clarifying what's being asked here patient available on the status of

[1:55:23] projects

[1:55:29] Voice 4: that related to

[1:55:35] Voice 3: the fetus ta so the fetus on local trust committee request staff

[1:55:42] Voice 3: report back with information available on the status of groundwater and freshwater

[1:55:50] Voice 3: water sustainability project in the Theta's local trust area or is it projects or information?

[1:56:01] Voice 3: I think if you leave it as information it's more than just a project it could be

[1:56:07] Voice 3: sharing where the depth is. Yeah because I think the freshwater specialist is

[1:56:14] Voice 3: you know we've compiled this anyway there's a lot of background work that's been done and I'm not

[1:56:21] Voice 3: sure what what is the next step for thetis so let's we can make this okay um lisa do you have

[1:56:28] Voice 3: that motion and could you read it back for us yes

[1:56:32] Voice 2: uh chair elliott i'll read that back for you

[1:56:35] Voice 2: that the thetis island local trust committee requests staff report back with information

[1:56:40] Voice 2: available on the status of groundwater and fresh water sustainability in the thetis local trust

[1:56:46] Voice 2: area that

[1:56:49] Voice 3: is some groundwater i feel like there's a word missing but i can't think of it i think

[1:57:06] Voice 4: that captures it okay all right june

[1:57:17] Voice 3: i'm just looking so

[1:57:18] Voice 6: what are we going to do with that

[1:57:19] Voice 6: when we get it

[1:57:20] Voice 3: well it's information for the public because there's stuff that regional

[1:57:24] Voice 3: planning committee is looking at that may be a large trust council project and so we can say

[1:57:30] Voice 3: with the Thetis community you are going to be able to see a map of all the wells drilled for instance

[1:57:37] Voice 3: on Thetis which is public you know it's provincial information but it will be presented a different

[1:57:43] Voice 3: way or um yeah

[1:57:52] Voice 4: the

[1:57:54] Voice 6: reason I asked the question is because of course um there has not

[1:57:59] Voice 4: been a lot of

[1:58:00] Voice 6: support for groundwater projects because it's not because there's inadequate information about

[1:58:11] Voice 6: whether or not there should be concerns about groundwater and that's a debate say that

[1:58:21] Voice 6: whomever the incoming trustees are what they're interested in being wanting to be a trustee and

[1:58:27] Voice 6: what they're hearing from the community with respect to the interests of the regulatory

[1:58:33] Voice 6: regulatory capabilities of trust on people that impacts their lives and their lands.

[1:58:42] That watershed protection strategy may or may not have value.

[1:58:47] And so I think

[1:58:48] Voice 6: it's a matter of understanding what that actually means, because in fact,

[1:58:54] Voice 6: I think that, and then of course, the other problem there is, of course, if you can rely

[1:58:58] Voice 6: rely upon the provincial government to provide additional mapping or ground truth mapping

[1:59:04] associated with wells, private wells.

[1:59:09] Voice 6: One, you need to get participation by the residents

[1:59:12] Voice 6: of the island. And two, you need to get the province to determine that it's important

[1:59:17] Voice 6: enough for them to actually undertake that work. Because I think that there's little

[1:59:21] Voice 6: or no information associated with that. Like in fact, we only have one test well. And I

[1:59:26] Voice 6: I think, I suspect that although many people have been required to, through recent legislation,

[1:59:32] Voice 6: to indicate that water usage, if it's of a commercial nature, residential water usage

[1:59:38] Voice 6: is not.

[1:59:39] Voice 6: And I don't know that people necessarily even want to, you know, it's a little story, but

[1:59:45] Voice 6: people don't want to necessarily provide that information out of fear that there'd be additional

[1:59:50] Voice 6: information or fees associated with water usage.

[1:59:53] Voice 6: I

[1:59:55] Voice 3: don't think that's what the request is.

[2:00:00] Voice 3: Oh,

[2:00:00] Voice 6: I know, but

[2:00:00] Voice 3: if you start analyzing

[2:00:02] Voice 6: it, then you need more information, and then that leads to this rabbit hole that it's easy to fall down from.

[2:00:11] Voice 4: And I don't necessarily

[2:00:12] Voice 6: share that, I'm just trying to

[2:00:13] Voice 4: articulate that some of the views that are out there.

[2:00:21] Voice 3: Well, it's not so much that it relates to who is concerned about water and how.

[2:00:32] Voice 3: it is what information does Islands Trust hold so that the community can then ask for is this

[2:00:42] Voice 3: adequate do we need more or do we want to go in this direction because we need to learn more about

[2:00:48] Voice 3: this it's bringing forward what is the information we have do we have an aquifer conceptualization

[2:00:53] Voice 3: model has the work been done on well density do we want to know groundwater recharge there's so

[2:01:00] Voice 3: many different elements that don't just relate to wells but like yeah understood okay you have

[2:01:09] Voice 6: to convince somebody else i'm

[2:01:10] Voice 3: just hearing that water is a concern we literally had somebody speak

[2:01:14] Voice 3: about it today it was a water fair last year that i was at present time and we heard had a whole

[2:01:18] Voice 3: forum on it for for a day there is keen interest i have heard on understanding what the community

[2:01:26] community can do

[2:01:27] Voice 3: to undertake its own water sustainability strategy I think but and the

[2:01:36] Voice 3: CVRD has it's modeled itself on the regional district of Nanaimo's water watershed and

[2:01:45] Voice 3: freshwater sustainability strategy which is far advanced I don't know where the CVRD is at but

[2:01:52] Voice 3: there's a relationship between island stress planning and the data that cbrd is trying to

[2:01:57] Voice 3: develop that i know i'm

[2:02:02] Voice 6: just hearing that that's not sure no can

[2:02:05] Voice 3: we just ask for the information

[2:02:06] Voice 3: to come back and then we can make a decision in august what to do with it if you don't want it

[2:02:13] Voice 3: then the next ltc can ask for it for sure yeah

[2:02:17] Voice 4: all

[2:02:26] Voice 3: right we've got a motion on the floor which i made

[2:02:32] Voice 3: Lisa, we haven't changed the motion. Could you read it out one more time, please?

[2:02:38] Voice 2: That the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee request staff report back with information available on the status of groundwater and freshwater sustainability in the Thetis Island Local Trust area.

[2:02:49] Voice 3: Perfect.

[2:02:52] Voice 3: Sustainability info?

[2:02:54] Voice 3: Sustainability information.

[2:02:57] Voice 3: Well, it says information available, no?

[2:03:00] Voice 3: Okay,

[2:03:01] Voice 4: so

[2:03:03] Voice 3: I've moved and seconded by Trustee Luckham. Discussion has been had. It may not be of value.

[2:03:12] Voice 3: My inclination is that there's interest in it and it would be good to know what's the scope of the information available so that people can make decisions about what they want to pursue.

[2:03:23] Voice 3: yeah

[2:03:24] Voice 6: i would say it's good to inform the incoming

[2:03:26] Voice 6: trust committee what we know so they can make a

[2:03:29] Voice 6: decision about it

[2:03:30] Voice 3: excellent and if you don't want to do

[2:03:33] Voice 3: anything nice okay all those in favor oh

[2:03:38] Voice 3: that is carried excellent

[2:03:41] Voice 4: fantastic

[2:03:42] Voice 3: thank you folks um i is there any further discussion on

[2:03:46] Voice 3: the future projects list yes would the ltc like to add any items to advocacy

[2:03:53] Voice 3: to see or a future protocol agreement items we can also slot those in here as well i heard that

[2:04:03] Voice 3: if

[2:04:03] Voice 8: there's

[2:04:06] Voice 3: anything specific about groundwater advocacy or even just a plate holder here

[2:04:11] Voice 3: that can be contemplated again we

[2:04:15] Voice 6: have a standing item of wanting to develop an agreement with the

[2:04:19] Voice 6: reach industry right

[2:04:20] Voice 3: that's on the future process that says uh on page 59 of the agenda there's

[2:04:27] Voice 3: advocacy communications there's a letter of understanding yeah so

[2:04:31] Voice 3: we don't need to do

[2:04:32] Voice 4: anything that's the only thing i think i'll

[2:04:37] Voice 3: continue to advocate to the province that they

[2:04:39] Voice 3: need to stop overriding our decisions if they're going to give us some authority and approving

[2:04:44] Voice 3: leases in the well

[2:04:46] Voice 6: and more importantly that they're not going to hold up drift with respect

[2:04:51] Voice 6: to consultation with first nations over

[2:04:53] Voice 4: fishing

[2:04:55] Voice 6: in their territorial water well

[2:05:00] Voice 3: let's think about

[2:05:00] Voice 3: if you've got an advocacy item that stands out to you from the pre from this last four years

[2:05:07] Voice 3: let's bring it back to august and we can add that time yeah i

[2:05:13] Voice 3: can't think of anything right now

[2:05:16] Voice 5: anything else from you trustee hunter

[2:05:21] Voice 4: just

[2:05:23] Voice 7: maybe we were on the water situation um not just on it's actually a dam of course made

[2:05:32] Voice 7: built by my father in 1956 it's registered with the province we have uh every five years they

[2:05:40] Voice 7: camera inspect it and we pay an annual fee to have it in there and uh that's it's official

[2:05:50] Voice 7: name is bertram brook which is the father's middle name oh

[2:05:55] Voice 3: here we go

[2:05:56] Voice 3: bertram brook but

[2:05:58] Voice 3: how large is it

[2:06:00] Voice 7: it's uh 10 acres in the area and it's 15 feet deep at the deepest it's amazing

[2:06:10] Voice 3: And when you say it's inspected by the province, it's a dam.

[2:06:15] Voice 3: Oh, the dam is inspected, okay.

[2:06:18] Voice 3: In

[2:06:18] Voice 4: fact, it was done in the last maintenance work on that.

[2:06:29] Voice 3: So is there, that's interesting, yeah.

[2:06:36] Voice 7: I just wonder if our trust would allow that to happen today.

[2:06:40] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:06:41] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:06:42] Voice 7: Is there any regulation against weaning a dam under it?

[2:06:45] Voice 3: Well, there was regulation against messing with barbarian areas.

[2:06:48] Voice 6: Oh, then it would be different today.

[2:06:50] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:06:51] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:06:51] Voice 6: Well, I'm saying with that little walkway underneath the road in Poker Point, that would

[2:06:56] Voice 6: never happen today.

[2:06:57] Voice 6: That culvert.

[2:07:02] Voice 1: No,

[2:07:02] Voice 6: I mean, you know,

[2:07:03] Voice 1: the, uh, right by the marina there.

[2:07:06] Voice 1: Where

[2:07:07] Voice 6: the mosquitoes go.

[2:07:07] Voice 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2:07:09] Voice 6: There should be, there should be a bridge there.

[2:07:11] Voice 6: It shouldn't be a culvert.

[2:07:13] Voice 6: but that's historical.

[2:07:15] Voice 4: Okay. It

[2:07:16] Voice 6: is what it is. It's not going to change now unless the province

[2:07:19] Voice 6: decides to shut it down. They've done that on a tender. They did that.

[2:07:27] Voice 3: Do you know what would

[2:07:28] Voice 3: be interesting as part of a freshwater project is to do an asset mapping because the rural assets

[2:07:34] Voice 3: of an island when it comes to water, sustainability, fire protection, you know, that's kind of an

[2:07:42] Voice 3: an interesting but

[2:07:43] Voice 6: that's a down on private public private understood

[2:07:46] Voice 3: it's but he brings

[2:07:49] Voice 3: it forward as um you know there's an investment in it and is it an asset to the community

[2:08:10] Voice 3: Okay,

[2:08:10] Voice 6: the chief would not have been happy about pumping seawater through the fire.

[2:08:17] Voice 6: That's the only alternative.

[2:08:19] Voice 3: All right. Well, I think I'm hearing our discussions are wandering to

[2:08:24] Voice 3: to other matters. So is there any further business that we need to conduct other than

[2:08:32] Voice 3: our next meeting? So thank you for this good discussion on the future projects. I want

[2:08:39] Voice 3: to set the LTC up to do some good thinking as it considers the needs of the community

[2:08:46] Voice 3: and the environment and our relationship with first nations. So it's a really good discussion.

[2:08:51] Voice 3: So our next regular meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, August 25th, 2026 at 9.30am will be held electronically. And so this is our final meeting in person. It has been an absolute delight to chair your local trust committee, learn about your local community and concerns and I just, I want to come back as a normal person and I'm going to sail back.

[2:09:13] Voice 3: i never made it sailing um but i will sail back and come and spend time with you all so

[2:09:19] Voice 3: thank you so much for tolerating my learning curve and being such a wonderful community so

[2:09:25] Voice 3: thank you

[2:09:26] Voice 3: until next time and i'll call for adjournment sure okay

[2:09:31] Voice 3: and we are adjourned

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Thetis Island Local Trust Committee

Minutes of Regular Meeting

Date:  
July 13, 2026

Location:  
Forbes Hall Community Centre  
North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC  

Members Present:  
Tobi Elliott, Chair  
Peter Luckham, Local Trustee  
Ken Hunter, Local Trustee  

Staff Present:  
Renée Jamurat, Regional Planning Manager  
Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder (electronic)  

Others Present:  
There were approximately 2 members of the public in attendance.

1.  CALL TO ORDER  
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 9:33 a.m.

2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT  
Chair Elliott acknowledged that the meeting was held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. Local Trustees introduced themselves and acknowledged the Penelakut Tribes as stewards of the land and waters on whose territory the Trustees live and work.

3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA  
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented.

4. REPORTS  

4.1 Trustee Reports  
Trustee Hunter recommended the book Unceded by George Abbott to help understand the reconciliation processes, and noted this is the last in-person meeting of the term for the Local Trust Committee.  
Trustee Luckham reflected on the journey of reconciliation taken during the current term, spoke to long term affects of colonialism, and noted there is much to learn from First Nations peoples.

4.2 Chair's Report  
Chair Elliott reported the following:  
- Committee of the Whole is scheduled to meet the draft Trust Policy Statement referral responses received to date;  
- Attended Trust Council and provided meeting highlights.

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4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - none

5. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PERIOD

A member of the public invited the Trustees to the upcoming Nature of Forest Weekend which will include speakers Mitch Sherrin, retired Captain of Salt Spring Fire & Rescue who will lead a fire smart workshop, Ecologist Dr. Andy MacKinnon who will host a workshop about plants and fungus, and members of the Quw’utsun Cultural Connections Society who will present a discussion on the role of Indigenous knowledge in understanding forest ecology. The speaker also inquired if any groundwater studies will be done on Thetis Island.

A Trustee noted a groundwater study had not been advanced yet and the Cowichan Valley Regional District is supposed to be undertaking a water study for the island.

6. MINUTES

6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated April 20, 2026 - for adoption

By general consent, the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of April 20, 2026 were adopted.

6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report - none

6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none

7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES

7.1 Follow-up Action List dated July 3, 2026

Discussion ensued regarding April 20, 2026 Activity 4 with a Trustee stating the importance of staff reporting back about staff-to-staff conversations with Nations to better inform Local Trust Committee decisions. The Regional Planning Manager indicated ways in which to bring information back to the community and Local Trust Committees, through the lens of the Indigenous Relations Action Plan, will be considered; however, a process has not been determined yet.

Discussion ensued regarding the Welsh-Fenton rezoning application and a Trustee stated that some reporting and consultation has occurred with Penelakut Tribes and they noted the importance of ensuring that any input that is received from the Nation is relayed to local Trustees so they can better inform themselves and the public.

8. DELEGATIONS - none

9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS

9.1 Referral for Response: Proposed Salt Spring Bylaw No. 551 - Memorandum

TH-2026-030  
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee that Thetis Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by Bylaw No. 551.

CARRIED

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9.2 Referral for Response: Proposed Salt Spring Bylaw No. 552 – Memorandum

TH-2026-031  
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee that Thetis Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by Bylaw No. 552.  
CARRIED

9.3 Referral for Response: Proposed Salt Spring Bylaw No. 553 – Memorandum

TH-2026-032  
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee that Thetis Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by Bylaw No. 553.  
CARRIED

9.4 Referral for Response: Proposed Salt Spring Bylaw No. 554 – Memorandum

TH-2026-033  
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee that Thetis Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by Bylaw No. 554.  
CARRIED

10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none

11. CORRESPONDENCE - none

(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC webpage)

12. NEW BUSINESS - none

13. STAFF REPORTS

13.1 Highlights of Trust Conservancy March 17, 2026 Board Meeting  
Received for information

13.2 Islands Trust Conservancy Report to Trust Council 2025-2026  
Received for information

13.3 Applications Report dated July 3, 2026  
The Regional Planning Manager provided a timeline update on application PLRZ20250072 (Welsh-Fenton) and noted staff are drafting an environmental and archaeological covenant which will be brought forward to the Local Trust Committee at their August meeting if it is ready.

13.4 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated May, 2026

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Received for information

13.5 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions

Received for information

13.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage - none

14.      WORK PROGRAM

14.1 Active Projects Report dated July 3, 2026

Received for information

14.2 Future Projects Report dated July 3, 2026 1054

It was noted that, following the election, the incoming Local Trust Committee might benefit from more detail regarding potential future projects and the following topics were identified as priorities:
• Concerns brought up by Lyackson First Nation regarding appropriateness of a Rural Land Use Bylaw in the marine area affecting upland Reserve lands;
• Associated Islands Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw review;
• Update and review the Rural Land Use Bylaw to confirm that it is included in any other bylaw work;
• Include Bute and Dunsmuir Island in the Associated Islands Official Community Plan Bylaw;
• Look at Associated Islands that have no zoning;
• Address concerns identified by the Valdez Island Conservancy and articulated at the April 1, 2025 meeting;
• Summarize any information that came in after the Public Hearing in 2014 and not received by the Local Trust Committee;
• Determine what the Thetis Island community needs to know about the state of groundwater in the Thetis Local Trust Area.

The Regional Planning Manager summarized the updates to the Future Projects list and noted the information will come back to the Local Trust Committee for review at their August meeting.

TH-2026-034
It was MOVED and SECONDED
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee request staff report back with information available on the status of groundwater and freshwater sustainability in the Thetis Island Local Trust Area.

CARRIED

15.     UPCOMING MEETINGS

15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, August 25, 2026 at 9:30 a.m. and to be held Electronically

16.     ADJOURNMENT

By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 11:42 a.m.

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Tobi Elliott, Chair

Certified Correct:


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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder



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