Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee public hearing, August 27, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 26: of the meeting will be posted on the Island Trust website.

[0:00:03] Voice 26: I want to begin the meeting today by acknowledging

[0:00:07] Voice 26: that we are fortunate to be able to gather here

[0:00:09] Voice 26: in the territories of the Corvallis peoples,

[0:00:12] Voice 26: including the St. Tobin and Hulmebeen Seeking Peoples,

[0:00:15] Voice 26: stewards of these lands and waters since time immemorial.

[0:00:23] Voice 26: Notwithstanding history, the Indigenous peoples

[0:00:25] Voice 26: have a strong and enduring connection

[0:00:29] Voice 26: to these lands and waters today as well.

[0:00:35] Voice 26: So my name is Tim Peterson.

[0:00:37] Voice 26: I'm elected on Mesquite Island.

[0:00:39] Voice 26: I'm the chair of Salt Lake Valley Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:42] Voice 26: So I'm one of today's final trustees for Patrick

[0:00:45] Voice 26: and Jamie Harris.

[0:00:47] Voice 26: And together we make up the Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:51] Voice 26: I'm going to go to a regional planning manager,

[0:00:55] Voice 26: Jason Yonnas to introduce the staff joining us today.

[0:00:57] Voice 26: it.

[0:00:58] Voice 14: Sure. Thank you, Chair Peterson. To my right is Island Planner Peter Thicke. Also sad to announce

[0:01:03] Voice 14: that this will be Peter's last meeting with the Local Trust Committee as he moves on to some other

[0:01:07] Voice 14: professional opportunities. And Planning Team Assistant Kalyan Selvakumar. Thank

[0:01:13] Voice 14: you. I never

[0:01:14] Voice 27: have to say

[0:01:14] Voice 14: it out loud. And joining us online as our meeting administrator is Lisa Millard.

[0:01:19] Voice 14: And I don't have immediate availability to see who else is online, but I expect that Joe Elliott,

[0:01:24] Voice 14: at our Senior Indigenous Relations Advisor

[0:01:26] Voice 14: who's also joining us today.

[0:01:27] Voice 14: And I think as the meeting progresses,

[0:01:29] Voice 14: you'll see Director of Planning Services,

[0:01:31] Voice 14: Stephan Cermak, will be joining us too.

[0:01:34] Voice 26: Thank you for that.

[0:01:35] Voice 26: So this meeting is a official forum

[0:01:37] Voice 26: for the Local Trust Committee

[0:01:39] Voice 26: to make decisions about planning planners

[0:01:42] Voice 26: and to discuss relevant business.

[0:01:44] Voice 26: This is also a place of employment

[0:01:46] Voice 26: and our staff have the right

[0:01:48] Voice 26: to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:01:51] Voice 26: There are times on the agenda

[0:01:53] Voice 26: when the public uh comes in and i'll let you know when we get there so trustees you have

[0:02:02] Voice 26: for us and i want to see if there's any i want to see if there's any uh amendments to the agenda

[0:02:10] Voice 30: i have none seeing none i'll

[0:02:14] Voice 26: take it by general consent we will adopt the agenda as presented

[0:02:18] Voice 26: And that brings us to the public participation period, just as a reminder, the public hearing

[0:02:28] Voice 26: for by-law 546 has been held and by by-law the Local Trust Committee may not hear additional

[0:02:40] Voice 26: additional public comments regarding any by-law

[0:02:44] Voice 26: that a public hearing has been held for.

[0:02:50] Voice 26: To tell Paul your opportunity to speak,

[0:02:53] Voice 26: we want to hear your questions and comments.

[0:02:56] Voice 26: Later on, we'll be discussing the various topics

[0:03:01] Voice 26: and making decisions.

[0:03:04] Voice 26: And applicants will have an opportunity to speak

[0:03:08] Voice 26: when we consider their applications.

[0:03:09] Voice 26: We request that you follow some guidelines, first speak respectfully, we want to acknowledge

[0:03:27] Voice 26: concerns without causing harm to others, we will uphold cultural safety, keep the conversation

[0:03:35] Voice 26: constructive and so with that I'd also ask that you are clear concise and

[0:03:47] Voice 26: respectful speak about other issues not on other individuals direct your comments

[0:03:53] Voice 26: to the local trust committee and other members of the public or staff see a lot

[0:04:00] Voice 26: of people are out here today so I will use a timer and give the speakers three

[0:04:05] Voice 26: minutes if

[0:04:05] Voice 22: there's need to come back and do another round you can do that and then finally

[0:04:10] Voice 22: uh request that you uh focus on

[0:04:15] Voice 26: items on today's agenda um secondarily uh items coming up for the

[0:04:21] Voice 26: local trust committee and certainly at the very least items within the local trust uh

[0:04:26] Voice 26: the Atlas Trust jurisdiction.

[0:04:29] Voice 26: So I will look for a show of hands and we'll open it up.

[0:04:38] Voice 26: Okay, I'm gonna start on this side

[0:04:41] Voice 26: and

[0:04:42] Voice 22: I'm gonna start right in the back row there.

[0:04:45] Voice 22: And if you could come forward and stand sort of like

[0:04:48] Voice 22: over here and then the microphone

[0:04:50] Voice 26: will pick you up

[0:04:51] Voice 26: and control the same line and record it here.

[0:04:56] Voice 26: That's a great, yeah.

[0:04:59] Voice 29: Yes, thank you for hearing more about Baker Beach.

[0:05:05] Voice 29: I wanted to preface my comments with the fact that the Wilding House on the shore of Baker Beach

[0:05:19] Voice 29: is not in any danger of being washed away or threatened in any way, according to their geologist.

[0:05:29] Voice 29: And so, excuse me, in light of this, I question the need to hard case the waterfront shoreline that it will only be exacerbating the erosion on either side, as we can observe, where the CRD stairs descend to the beach from Baker Road.

[0:05:48] Voice 29: And the redactment will also be preventing people from walking on the beach at all,

[0:05:56] Voice 29: but the medium and low tides.

[0:05:59] Voice 29: This beach is part of a loop that completes the trail system

[0:06:03] Voice 29: from the quarry down to the beach and back up on Baker Road.

[0:06:11] Voice 29: So I'm also appealing to you to maintain the existing bank for its aesthetic value.

[0:06:19] Voice 29: Why cover the beach?

[0:06:21] Voice 29: in the bank with this unnecessary human fabricated

[0:06:24] Voice 29: redemptment.

[0:06:26] Voice 29: The shoreline is amazing with unique geological formations.

[0:06:31] Voice 29: UBC brings classes to study it.

[0:06:36] Voice 29: Yeah, I marvel at it too.

[0:06:38] Voice 29: The other thing is that there's a narrow focus

[0:06:42] Voice 29: on this total erosion, which is really minimal,

[0:06:46] Voice 29: rather than the stewardship of the whole lot, which

[0:06:50] Voice 29: which I think you could increase drainage and maintain trees and the vegetation.

[0:06:58] Voice 29: And finally, I worry that this case will be set in a precedent.

[0:07:05] Voice 29: And the examples put forward by the Wilding Service,

[0:07:09] Voice 29: often situations where the work has been done without proper consultation and commission.

[0:07:15] Voice 29: So, therefore, I sort of retroactively agree, which I don't want to use those as examples for this case.

[0:07:24] Voice 29: Anyway, thank you very much.

[0:07:26] Voice 26: Thank you very much. And I'm going to stay on this side of the room and work from back to front.

[0:07:31] Voice 26: So, who's next in the back?

[0:07:34] Voice 26: Come up, please.

[0:07:41] Voice 18: Speaking on

[0:07:42] Voice 30: the same application, having moved to Salt Spring 37 years ago for its natural beauty, especially on the water,

[0:07:49] Voice 30: I've been involved with others trying to prevent damage to unique aspects of Baker Beach since 2024.

[0:07:58] Voice 30: I applaud your decision to deny the application for 434 Baker Beach's supposed erosion control for several reasons.

[0:08:07] Voice 30: While no one wants to see neighbors' house fall into the water, sadly, this has been a flawed application from the very beginning.

[0:08:14] Voice 30: In particular, though the application process requires the measurement of upland water flows, including hard surfaces such as driveways, perimeter drains, septic fields, sump pumps, and irrigation, this was never done, nor were increases in atmospheric rivers due to climate change considered, though sea level rise was.

[0:08:35] Voice 30: was.

[0:08:35] Voice 30: There is very little evidence of total erosion, that

[0:08:39] Voice 30: is, damage caused by waves, in the geotechnical reports.

[0:08:43] Voice 30: Yet there are visible gullies and toppling trees

[0:08:45] Voice 30: caused by water from above.

[0:08:47] Voice 30: The Ministry of Water, Lands, and Resource Stewardship

[0:08:50] Voice 30: also questioned this conclusion.

[0:08:53] Voice 30: When many of us, including some of the original applicants,

[0:08:56] Voice 30: and Brad Fosden, who applied on their behalf,

[0:08:59] Voice 30: met on the beach with Penelope representatives

[0:09:01] Voice 30: on May 14th, 2025, we brought up an alternative green shore solution involving anchoring already

[0:09:10] Voice 30: present lake logs onto the beach to break up any wave action and upland solutions like

[0:09:17] Voice 30: water management, that is property-wide drains, drains to the shore, rain gardens, etc.

[0:09:22] Voice 30: Mr. Fossum, in fact, then submitted such a solution, which was first upland measures

[0:09:29] Voice 30: plus anchored logs, followed by two years of detailed and documented monitoring,

[0:09:34] Voice 30: then later by other force or measures if needed.

[0:09:38] Voice 30: Walrus replied this would require a brand new application, which the property owners rejected.

[0:09:44] Voice 30: Thank you, trustees and planners, for your careful assessment of this DPA application

[0:09:49] Voice 30: and protecting our special islands.

[0:09:53] Voice 26: Okay, thank you.

[0:09:55] Voice 26: And still on this side, next person from the back.

[0:10:07] Voice 8: I'm Jill Kidd. I'm a retired teacher from this district and I have lived on Baker Road for 50

[0:10:15] Voice 8: years. During that time, oh and I would like to offer comments without prejudice. During the 50

[0:10:24] Voice 8: years, I have walked that Baker Beach many, many times and I have noticed minimal change to the

[0:10:30] Voice 8: cliffs except for the occasional tree falling from above. I suggest option number one of the

[0:10:38] Voice 8: geotech report which would leave the public beach unspoiled. I also support the local trust committee

[0:10:45] Voice 8: and their staff to protect Baker Beach for future generations to enjoy.

[0:10:52] Voice 27: Thank you. Good morning.

[0:11:06] Voice 16: Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'd like to talk about Baker Beach.

[0:11:11] Voice 16: no surprise there. I would like it noted that my remarks are often without prejudice.

[0:11:17] Voice 16: I'm Philip Grange, a retired professional engineer and I've lived on Baker Road 50 years,

[0:11:25] Voice 16: same as that lady that was just here. Thank you for publishing the staff report

[0:11:31] Voice 16: on the recent application for a variance to works on the intertidal area of Baker Beach West

[0:11:37] Voice 16: uh as this has given us the opportunity at last to read the latest geotechnical report

[0:11:45] Voice 16: i'm pleased to read that the report again confirms and i quote that the slopes fronting

[0:11:51] Voice 16: all the properties are globally stable this is a really very positive affirmation of the stability

[0:11:59] Voice 16: of that piece of land and this agrees also with previous professional assessments which also

[0:12:07] Voice 16: confirmed that all the house sites are safe from risk of slope and stability as required

[0:12:13] Voice 16: by the building permit process this new report also references reinforces this assertion with

[0:12:23] Voice 16: The four options offered to the owners in choices for a way forward, including option one, which is, and I quote, to accept that the natural erosive process will continue over time.

[0:12:38] Voice 16: This option would not be included if future risk to home sites was likely in their professional opinion.

[0:12:45] Voice 16: I concur with this view from my own observations that the rate and degree of change over the past five decades of working this beach and the overall process is slow, having been underway for millennia.

[0:13:02] Voice 16: I believe that in 50 more years from now, there will still be handsome cliffs and trees facing the sea for those that choose often gone in our report.

[0:13:12] Voice 16: board. I also believe there are acceptable measures to be taken to slow down the effects

[0:13:18] Voice 16: of the natural process on the upper slopes. I support the Islands Trust and our official

[0:13:24] Voice 16: community plan in which I and many residents participated during its creation. Over these

[0:13:31] Voice 16: years of living here on the beach, it has been a very important natural amenity to our

[0:13:36] Voice 16: neighbourhood. There is no doubting the pleasure and therapeutic benefit we humans experience

[0:13:43] Voice 16: in visiting shoreline at the edge of the sea.

[0:13:51] Voice 16: In addition to the priceless encounters,

[0:13:54] Voice 16: chance encounters with wildlife,

[0:13:56] Voice 16: this beach has another very special amenity

[0:13:59] Voice 16: I'd like to mention.

[0:14:00] Voice 16: It is suitable for swimming in the sea.

[0:14:04] Voice 16: This is best done between the mid and high tide

[0:14:06] Voice 16: when the waters are warmed from the foreshore rocks.

[0:14:11] Voice 16: This beach is characterized

[0:14:13] Voice 16: by the annual winter rearrangement of logs stranded in sandy pockets at the highest tide

[0:14:19] Voice 16: events. This provides attractive places for swimmers and families to settle with their

[0:14:25] Voice 16: towels just above the high tide. There are three places along this shore where rocks

[0:14:32] Voice 16: have already been placed along the high tide line. Here I observed the tide now scours

[0:14:39] Voice 16: as the foreshore of sand, and the logs are rarely stranded for the summers. People move

[0:14:47] Voice 16: to other places where pockets of sand are to enjoy the beach. So I disagree slightly

[0:14:54] Voice 16: with the geotechnical report, which asserts that a rock construction would not significantly

[0:14:59] Voice 16: change the existing hydraulic regime. I think the sand and the logs will be absent wherever

[0:15:07] Voice 16: those rocks are. And I believe this will significantly

[0:15:13] Voice 16: reduce the accessibility, the usability, and attractiveness

[0:15:16] Voice 16: of the beach in front of those constructions.

[0:15:21] Voice 16: There's another important point in the geotechnical report I'd like to mention.

[0:15:26] Voice 16: It states that in the rock foreshore

[0:15:31] Voice 16: option, and I quote, are not expected to improve

[0:15:35] Voice 16: the current stability of its conditions of the overall

[0:15:39] Voice 16: all slopes. There will be continued regression on the upper

[0:15:43] Voice 16: slopes, that's a quote, and there will be local

[0:15:47] Voice 16: instabilities. It seems that the cliff-edged tree topple

[0:15:51] Voice 16: cycle will continue.

[0:15:53] Voice 26: I fear I

[0:15:57] Voice 16: may have used up my time, I was going to

[0:15:59] Voice 16: say, so I'd like to close by

[0:16:01] Voice 16: saying I urge the trustees

[0:16:03] Voice 16: and planners to continue to apply the principles

[0:16:06] Voice 16: in our OCP are preserving and protecting for future generations

[0:16:10] Voice 16: this and other rare and beautiful amenities of our island,

[0:16:15] Voice 16: in this case a beach suitable and attractive for swimming.

[0:16:19] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:16:21] Voice 27: Until next, I'll aside.

[0:16:26] Voice 27: Good morning.

[0:16:31] Voice 37: My name is Karl Wallman.

[0:16:33] Voice 37: I'm not here to speak on Baker Beach.

[0:16:36] Voice 37: I represent the Lady Minto Hospital Auxiliary Society.

[0:16:40] Voice 37: I think I need to make clear that it's different from the hospital foundation.

[0:16:47] Voice 37: The hospital auxiliary is reaching the 90th year milestone, and the auxiliary runs the

[0:16:56] Voice 37: thrift store up on Upper Ghandi's road.

[0:17:00] Voice 37: We have a lease there with the Upper Ghandi's owner that expires on February 2029.

[0:17:08] Voice 37: and the auxiliary has been planning to purchase its own property

[0:17:15] Voice 37: and develop its own building

[0:17:18] Voice 37: so that it can last for another 90 years on the island.

[0:17:23] Voice 37: The auxiliary is totally volunteer run.

[0:17:26] Voice 37: There's no paid staff.

[0:17:28] Voice 37: There's about 150 volunteers.

[0:17:30] Voice 37: It's about 1% of this island.

[0:17:33] Voice 37: Many people on the island are clothed by the auxiliary

[0:17:36] Voice 37: auxiliary on a regular basis.

[0:17:40] Voice 37: And what we have done in 1997, the auxiliary

[0:17:45] Voice 37: started a building fund.

[0:17:47] Voice 37: And they saved money over time while all the time funding

[0:17:54] Voice 37: hospital and the Greenwich elder care facilities

[0:18:01] Voice 37: and also provide scholarships for medical aid

[0:18:04] Voice 37: or medical training.

[0:18:08] Voice 37: We have this year decided to put, or not this year,

[0:18:13] Voice 37: we've been looking for a property now for three years,

[0:18:17] Voice 37: looking for a commercial property somewhere in the Ganges Corps

[0:18:20] Voice 37: that we could develop or purchase and develop.

[0:18:24] Voice 37: It has been a very difficult thing to find.

[0:18:28] Voice 37: So what we decided was to go for a residential property

[0:18:33] Voice 37: property that's vacant at the moment.

[0:18:35] Voice 37: We purchased that back in April, and we

[0:18:40] Voice 37: are now in the process of applying for a rezoning

[0:18:43] Voice 37: of this property to a commercial.

[0:18:45] Voice 37: So that's the background.

[0:18:49] Voice 37: I just wanted to give that we did submit an application

[0:18:52] Voice 37: for the rezoning, and we hope that with the support

[0:18:56] Voice 37: of the community and the council,

[0:18:57] Voice 37: we'll consider that rezoning application later.

[0:19:01] Voice 37: Thank you.

[0:19:11] Thank

[0:19:15] Voice 15: you. I've walked that beach for 35 years, every month, the whole length, unlike just the

[0:19:23] Voice 15: nude sunbathing in the corner. I've watched that erosion. I've watched the higher tides and seas

[0:19:29] Voice 15: take three foot logs out from under the bank and shift them. When you walk, it looks very much the

[0:19:36] Voice 15: same because the erosion just keeps eating it back it could be several feet at the top over

[0:19:41] Voice 15: that same period it's interesting with the revetments philip the previous speaker built

[0:19:48] Voice 15: the revetment at 241 and that one though it started coming apart got redone and there's been

[0:19:54] Voice 15: no erosion on either side the crd has two revetments they have not replaced theirs at the

[0:20:03] Voice 15: the Baker Road entrance. The rocks are rolling all over, and it's not been well done. A university

[0:20:11] Voice 15: student put markers all over rocks, trees, log, and stone. The only marker of several hundred

[0:20:21] Voice 15: that hasn't washed away in that 15 years is one drilled into shale. Most of the rock on the shore

[0:20:29] Voice 15: is mudstone and sandstone.

[0:20:32] Voice 15: As soon as sunlight hits it, it crumbles.

[0:20:35] Voice 15: There has been way more erosion

[0:20:37] Voice 15: than most of the casual observers have appreciated.

[0:20:43] Voice 15: The revetment that Phil did

[0:20:45] Voice 15: has actually worked,

[0:20:47] Voice 15: but it was really well done

[0:20:48] Voice 15: and worked on more than once to make it work.

[0:20:53] Voice 15: I have a question.

[0:20:56] Voice 15: Do you need a special permit to drill the logs into place?

[0:21:01] Voice 15: Of the different things mentioned,

[0:21:02] Voice 15: mentioned, that's one of the more useful ideas that the biologists and geotechs have suggested.

[0:21:09] Voice 15: Does that require special permitting? Can you answer questions?

[0:21:17] Voice 14: I'd prefer to take some time to consider the question before answering.

[0:21:20] Voice 14: Okay, no rush.

[0:21:21] Voice 15: I may, we'll correspond, please. Thank

[0:21:23] Voice 15: you very much.

[0:21:24] Voice 14: Thank you. All

[0:21:27] Voice 27: right, for the speakers on the Senate

[0:21:28] Voice 27: of the rooms.

[0:21:35] Voice 31: Good morning. My name is Jasper Gagne. I live at 241 480 Drive. On the shoreline

[0:21:45] Voice 31: immediately west of 434 Baker. And Ethan is my son. I'm speaking as the closest neighbor to

[0:21:55] Voice 31: the project. Doing nothing is not leaving the beach alone. Every winter, a little bit of it

[0:22:01] Voice 31: roads. It is losing ground every year. What the proposal is, what is proposed is not a concrete

[0:22:15] Voice 31: seawall. It's a sloped natural rock at the toe of the bank with drainage and native planting above,

[0:22:23] Voice 31: and the environmental assessment concludes impacts will be low and localized with habitat

[0:22:28] Voice 31: productivity unchanged. If this variance affects any neighbors, it affects me, and I'm in favor

[0:22:37] Voice 31: of it. Please decide these applications rather than deferring them. Thank you for the opportunity

[0:22:43] Voice 31: to speak to this day. Next.

[0:22:52] Voice 10: My name is Robin V. Felspitt. As I stand here in front of you, I see the posters, various

[0:22:58] Voice 10: posters that you have posted here in regards to preservation protection, sustainability,

[0:23:02] Voice 10: sustainability and stewardship, and very much so with regards to the Baker Beach proposal.

[0:23:07] Voice 10: I believe as a firefighter, I do attend a lot of emergencies, and I don't think we want

[0:23:13] Voice 10: to wait for something as such to happen, but we have to attend drastic circumstances, and

[0:23:19] Voice 10: that we should be looking at sustainability and making sure that this is taken care of

[0:23:26] Voice 10: prior to any such dramatic events.

[0:23:28] Voice 10: But as we also have seen more recently, sure, over the last 50 years, maybe the erosion

[0:23:34] Voice 10: hasn't been as great, but we have been exposed to numerous environmental catastrophes, and

[0:23:41] Voice 10: we know that these are going to be treason.

[0:23:45] Voice 10: And so, therefore, I'm very much in support of the proposal that something is to be done.

[0:23:51] Voice 10: done. As we've seen, a number of work has been done, in particular Baker Beach there,

[0:23:59] Voice 10: down to the beach. They all have some sort of protection there in regards to big rocks

[0:24:05] Voice 10: that are very much not part of the landscape, as well as if anyone wants to further see,

[0:24:11] Voice 10: which is just around the bend, the federal dock site where they have just littered 300-400 bags

[0:24:23] Voice 10: of concrete to protect their docks. Very much, I can't believe that that would have been a

[0:24:28] Voice 10: permitted solution as they were just concrete bags dried, put in the water to kind of protect,

[0:24:36] Voice 10: But also, yeah, I would suggest that that would be viewed.

[0:24:41] Voice 10: And yeah, that's my thought.

[0:24:45] Voice 27: Great. Thank you.

[0:24:46] Voice 27: Power on the set.

[0:24:51] Voice 24: Good morning, trustees.

[0:24:53] Voice 24: My name is Bahari Wilding.

[0:24:55] Voice 24: My husband, Ethan Wilding, and I live on 434 Baker Road, right above Baker Beach.

[0:25:00] Voice 24: We've come to you with a proposal to mitigate the erosion of the bank below us.

[0:25:05] Voice 24: That erosion is affecting the shoreline and the safety of our home.

[0:25:08] Voice 24: For us, erosion isn't an abstraction.

[0:25:11] Voice 24: Over the years, we've watched trees lose their footing and come all the way down onto the beach.

[0:25:17] Voice 24: Every year, we lose a little more of the bank and the edge moves closer to our home.

[0:25:24] Voice 24: This application began four years ago, in 2022, so we've watched it get worse, little by little, year after year.

[0:25:32] Voice 24: And we did what homeowners are supposed to do.

[0:25:35] Voice 24: We came to the trust and we asked them writing what to apply for.

[0:25:38] Voice 24: We hired the professionals and we followed their designs.

[0:25:42] Voice 24: The engineers and biologists who worked on our original proposal include John Harper,

[0:25:47] Voice 24: the co-originator of Green Shores, and they confirmed that this work needs to be done

[0:25:51] Voice 24: and that under the right conditions, the beach will not be harmed.

[0:25:56] Voice 24: We're not asking you to take our word for it.

[0:25:58] Voice 24: We're asking you to take theirs.

[0:26:00] Voice 24: We also have letters of support from esteemed neighbors, some of them leaders in conservation

[0:26:05] Voice 24: who live on this island and who know the coast very well.

[0:26:09] Voice 24: What we're hoping for now is for a collaborative response and decision.

[0:26:14] Voice 24: We're not asking for a shortcut around the process.

[0:26:18] Voice 24: Erosion and climate change are not going anywhere.

[0:26:21] Voice 24: We'd like to work with you so we can get on with the work that needs to be done,

[0:26:25] Voice 24: work that's been designed, reviewed, and supported.

[0:26:29] Voice 24: Deferring these files leaves our family in limbo while the bank continues to erode.

[0:26:35] Voice 24: Ethan and I are asking you to please let us move forward with the proposal

[0:26:38] Voice 24: so we can protect the shoreline and our home before it gets too late we've done everything

[0:26:43] Voice 24: that's been asked of us and we've gone above and beyond what can above and beyond what can be

[0:26:48] Voice 24: expected so again we're asking you to please give us a decision today and i thank you for your time

[0:26:56] Voice 26: we're on the side of the room today okay let's go to the side of the room

[0:27:03] Voice 27: good morning

[0:27:10] Voice 9: thank you for letting me speak and this is about naper beach and myself i am the

[0:27:16] Voice 9: the chair of the Marine Stewardship Group under Transition Salt Spring,

[0:27:20] Voice 9: and a registered professional biologist, although retired,

[0:27:23] Voice 9: so I am not having an ethics committee monitor me.

[0:27:27] Voice 9: And I would like to say that I am not in favour of further rebetments.

[0:27:34] Voice 9: And the reasons are that of the myriad of reports that have been presented,

[0:27:40] Voice 9: only two actually give recommendations.

[0:27:43] Voice 9: The others are debating what should be done for a hard armoring and legal challenge.

[0:27:54] Voice 9: But there are only two that give recommendations.

[0:27:56] Voice 9: And the one that was just mentioned, Harper, this very, very excellent person to have the qualifications, gives basically three recommendations.

[0:28:08] Voice 9: recommendations the first is yes you could do something with the toe but it is bedrock

[0:28:13] Voice 9: and it's going to have to be replaced whatever you do constantly the second recommendation was to

[0:28:20] Voice 9: treat the slope and that to me is what is really happening here this is a shelf that all the water

[0:28:31] Voice 9: flows over that bank there is no drainage no river nothing it all comes over the bank

[0:28:38] Voice 9: we have photographs of the 60s taken from a boat looking at that shore there were no houses it was

[0:28:46] Voice 9: solid trees bit by bit with human infrastructure that has been opened up and the water now flows

[0:28:54] Voice 9: So, to me, the recommendation would be, as Don Harper and a further report recommended, mark the boundary of the properties.

[0:29:06] Voice 9: Clearly, I've had the pleasure, thank you to the homeowners, of touring three of those properties with a registered professional landscape architect, also retired.

[0:29:16] Voice 9: And the property line is not marked.

[0:29:19] Voice 9: So, as you've heard, you can hear, it's eroding terribly.

[0:29:23] Voice 9: it's not eroding at all it's eroding too no no one knows in my assessment it must be marked

[0:29:31] Voice 9: that boundary and there should be an inspector that goes in regularly i toured one property

[0:29:38] Voice 9: that was unfinished it was in development but overflow off the roof was digging trenches

[0:29:44] Voice 9: that were unacceptable they are going to cause that slope to fall tree topple comes from water

[0:29:51] Voice 9: over, not from waves under. So the real issue here is to mark.

[0:30:00] Voice 9: Photograph, two-year program, replant the slope, which means use fabric, use whatever, yes, native plants, and curve the top of the slope.

[0:30:11] Voice 9: Clearly, it's elemental physics that if the slope is this steep versus this steep, you're going to have more erosion.

[0:30:19] Voice 9: So smooth the top, plant properly, mark that line, and let's all talk three meters from now and get the truth.

[0:30:27] Voice 9: Thank you very much.

[0:30:30] Voice 16: More from this side?

[0:30:33] Voice 5: My name is Phil Rees, and I have here a report that was not submitted as part of the application package.

[0:30:41] Voice 5: This report was produced in December 2023 by Aurora Professional Group and Thomas Elliott.

[0:30:49] Voice 5: I'm going to read a section from the start of the report or summarise that section so

[0:30:55] Voice 5: that we can set a context not just for the beach immediately in front of the property,

[0:31:01] Voice 5: but for the entire beach and put the revetment measures in context.

[0:31:06] Voice 5: context there are 670 meters of hard armoring or 28.5 percent of the 2350 meters

[0:31:19] Voice 5: Ethan's property is another 100 meters that you'd be adding to that the impact that that has

[0:31:25] Voice 5: is it reduces sediment input into the beach as a whole now on the maps that have been submitted

[0:31:35] Voice 5: to you. You're shown property boundaries, but what you're not shown are the reefs in front of the

[0:31:41] Voice 5: properties. Those are missing. What you're also not shown is the longshore drift pattern that

[0:31:48] Voice 5: applies to the entire coast. So the longshore drift is coming along towards Ethan's properties.

[0:31:57] Voice 5: So materials are moved along the shoreline at a low rate because of the other revetments that have been built.

[0:32:06] Voice 5: Sediment supply is reduced by those kind of measures.

[0:32:09] Voice 5: So it's moved towards Ethan's property and that is a deposition area.

[0:32:15] Voice 5: Look at satellite photos and you will see that the reefs have sediment deposited behind them.

[0:32:22] Voice 5: so putting in more revetments is going to reduce the sediment supply it's also going to cause wave

[0:32:30] Voice 5: deflection that will increase the turbidity in the water and will endanger the ecosystem around

[0:32:39] Voice 5: the reefs so quoting from the report again where further erosion mitigation hard armoring would be

[0:32:47] Voice 5: discouraged by regulatory authorities. So I encourage you to do that discouraging of the

[0:32:53] Voice 5: hard armouring. This is a table from that report, table two, and you'll notice the top line is

[0:33:01] Voice 5: coloured green. So monitoring rate of erosion, as has previously been mentioned, is something

[0:33:08] Voice 5: that's essential to do in applications at this time. And here it says, monitoring the rate of

[0:33:14] Voice 5: erosion really for the foreshore the backshore for studying wave dynamics and for studying

[0:33:20] Voice 5: sediment supply if you don't have numbers you don't really know what's happening

[0:33:25] Voice 5: cure wave deflection so hard armouring revetment low suitability would constitute hard armouring

[0:33:34] Voice 5: in coverage required to be effective now i've got a background in can i have 10 more seconds okay

[0:33:41] Voice 5: Okay, I've got a background in science, and I want to give you a feel for the measurements in front of Ethan's property.

[0:33:50] Voice 5: This is the rate of erosion.

[0:33:53] Voice 5: That's one centimetre per year, and that's from the Evolvus Group response to the foreshore application.

[0:34:03] Voice 5: This is 75 centimetres.

[0:34:06] Voice 5: so that represents the amount of erosion that will take place in 75 years. 75 years is the

[0:34:14] Voice 5: expected lifetime of Ethan's property. 20 meters is how far the property is from the cliff edge.

[0:34:25] Voice 5: That's what would be eroded. By the time the property falls down, it would be 19 meters

[0:34:34] Voice 5: says from the cliff edge, according to the numbers we have, I would like you to deny the application

[0:34:40] Voice 5: instead of deferring it. Thank you. Could I give this to someone for reference? Thanks.

[0:34:49] Voice 26: More speakers on this?

[0:34:52] Voice 27: My

[0:34:58] Voice 34: name is Alicia Herbert, and I'm the Executive Director for Islanders Working Against Violence,

[0:35:03] Voice 34: or IWAVE. We are a non-profit society supporting women and children affected by violence and abuse.

[0:35:12] Voice 34: I would like to address item 16.2 in today's agenda, Community Care Facilities and Transition

[0:35:19] Voice 34: Housing in the Salt Spring Land Use By-law by making three points. First, in reviewing the

[0:35:25] Voice 34: staff report, the planners have noted that one option is to include the addition of the community

[0:35:31] Voice 34: housing and transitional housing in the overarching official community plan or OCP review.

[0:35:37] Voice 34: Transitional housing continues to be one important form of housing in the continuum of housing

[0:35:43] Voice 34: needed for Salt Spring Island, and IWAVE is the sole provider and operator of this in

[0:35:48] Voice 34: our community.

[0:35:50] Voice 34: BC Housing, the agency providing operational funding for this program, has informed IWAVE

[0:35:55] Voice 34: that we require regulatory approval or zoning approval to continue with our program funding

[0:36:01] Voice 34: past March 31st, 2027. I wave request that the Islands Trust continue to address this

[0:36:08] Voice 34: LUB amendment independently to the OCP review and expedite it to ensure continuous Salt Spring

[0:36:15] Voice 34: Island transitional housing services. Second, we understand that this will be a public process

[0:36:22] Voice 34: And there will be some important consultations, including First Nations.

[0:36:26] Voice 34: We understand that this process can take some time.

[0:36:30] Voice 34: IWAVE is wondering if there's something we might do to assist this process.

[0:36:35] Voice 34: And third, in reviewing the staff report in the meeting package, we agree that the 10-person cap needs some clarification.

[0:36:42] Voice 34: We ask that any cap only applies to clients or residents only in the transitional housing, excluding their children.

[0:36:51] Voice 34: children. There is no resident workers at transition housing facilities as referred

[0:36:56] Voice 34: to in the report. Workers are on-site for paid shifts only. Thank you.

[0:37:05] Voice 27: Further speakers on this side of the room?

[0:37:19] Voice 36: I'm Debbie Magnuson, living on the island

[0:37:22] Voice 36: since 1978, former resident of Baker Road, still a user of Baker Beach. I'm speaking

[0:37:30] Voice 36: speaking without prejudice regarding possible development

[0:37:35] Voice 36: that would impact the sensitive interest

[0:37:38] Voice 36: born in the ground of Baker Beach.

[0:37:41] Voice 36: When the last Salt Spring referendum

[0:37:44] Voice 36: on keeping the island's trust took place,

[0:37:48] Voice 36: 70% of voting participants voted to keep the trust.

[0:37:54] Voice 36: In deciding not to approve the present application

[0:37:59] Voice 36: for a development permit, variance permit,

[0:38:03] Voice 36: to reduce setback from the natural boundaries of the sea,

[0:38:07] Voice 36: trustees would be upholding Islanders' vote

[0:38:11] Voice 36: to government willing to preserve and protect.

[0:38:17] Voice 36: There is no need to delay or defer.

[0:38:22] Voice 36: By delaying, there's the possibility

[0:38:24] Voice 36: that it would again incur resentment and anger

[0:38:28] Voice 36: that could lead to further lawsuits.

[0:38:31] Voice 36: I support a decision to deny that all changes to Baker Beach and variances for private properties that would ultimately impinge and impact the foreshore.

[0:38:46] Voice 36: In addition, I request that the Salt Spring Island trustees immediately place a moratorium on all potential development for the Baker Beach foreshore.

[0:38:57] Voice 36: I request that trustees in the future support tightening protection for all soft spring shorelines, and hopefully this would be part of a more global protection plan for all of the Gulf Islands brought forward by the Trust Council.

[0:39:17] Voice 36: I also want trustees to create avenues for early notification of the public for proposals that alter the foreshore.

[0:39:30] Voice 36: I hope to be one of the delegation to this December 26th Trust Council meeting to speak to these points.

[0:39:38] Voice 36: And lastly, I would like to thank Laura Patrick for her service to the people of Salt Spring Island.

[0:39:48] Voice 36: Whether you like all or none or some of her positions on issues,

[0:39:54] Voice 36: she has always started meetings with a list of tasks, actions, meetings, conferences,

[0:40:03] Voice 36: and other ways she has served the people of South Spring Island.

[0:40:10] Voice 36: Laura, your dedication is a model for future trustees.

[0:40:15] Voice 36: states yes and

[0:40:21] Voice 26: i'm sorry i need black dimension please

[0:40:24] Voice 22: no clapping conversely no blue and uh more

[0:40:28] Voice 22: speakers from the side of the room please morning

[0:40:36] Voice 7: i'm peter ryer um i wish to add my voice to those

[0:40:38] Voice 7: opposing the latest proposal to alter baker beach uh islands also the ministry of water land

[0:40:44] Voice 7: resources management has deemed the bank to be stable and so i see this as a quixotic quest to

[0:40:51] Voice 7: fix a problem that doesn't exist and blatant land grab i resent the waste of public time and

[0:40:58] Voice 7: resources that have been spent on this project note that if this proposal goes forward it will

[0:41:04] Voice 7: restrict travel on beach at high tide a better attempt to address water issues on the properties

[0:41:10] Voice 7: involved would be to install curb pipe and drain fields on the upland plateau which has had its

[0:41:15] Voice 7: canopy and brush reduced for water originally collected so let's go with nature thank you

[0:41:25] Voice 26: and more speakers

[0:41:27] Voice 27: from the senate morning

[0:41:37] Voice 6: everyone i want to thank you for your time

[0:41:40] Voice 6: you know this is a really important uh subject of nature beach um things going on um i agree

[0:41:49] Voice 6: with protecting the people's homes but at the same time i want to caution everyone

[0:41:55] Voice 6: When you put riprap or hard substances on the foot of a cliff or soft substrate, Mother Nature is really brutal.

[0:42:04] Voice 6: I've seen it. I've experienced it, where you put all this stuff to stabilize the bank, and the tides and the storms create a stronger scour behind these substrates.

[0:42:16] Voice 6: so having said that you know i want to protect our shellfish tenure i want to protect the ecosystem

[0:42:23] Voice 6: not only in baker bay and all that but everywhere you know we see it all over the place and i just

[0:42:29] Voice 6: want to add that caution to have more studies to have more input on a solution you know it's

[0:42:39] Voice 6: It's a big thing.

[0:42:40] Voice 6: We're losing a lot of habitat everywhere.

[0:42:43] Voice 6: You know, shellfish harvesting areas are getting smaller and smaller,

[0:42:47] Voice 6: like everybody's communities are struggling because of the development

[0:42:51] Voice 6: on the hill that affects the beach.

[0:42:54] Voice 6: You can't harvest shellfish because of health concerns

[0:42:59] Voice 6: and things like that, right?

[0:43:01] Voice 6: So, you know, having said that, you know,

[0:43:04] Voice 6: we would like to protect the area's ecosystem.

[0:43:06] Voice 6: ecosystem. So I think having a really strong game plan, like I'm hearing other issues coming up just

[0:43:14] Voice 6: from a little bit of studying, you know, the water retention up above on the land is creating scour.

[0:43:21] Voice 6: And, you know, if we add riprap and concrete and all that stuff, you know, there's areas I've seen

[0:43:28] Voice 6: where there's efforts to do that in a small area and that created a bigger problem. So I just want

[0:43:34] Voice 6: to add those cautions in there you know not only to protect the ecosystem but to protect the dwelling

[0:43:40] Voice 6: above right you know

[0:43:41] Voice 6: um so you know it's a big concern for us uh you know like i said we have

[0:43:48] Voice 6: a shellfish tenure right there and it's a really big uh thing to have uh opportunities like i said

[0:43:56] Voice 6: for uh our community to harvest shellfish so you know i don't want to see any of the ecosystem

[0:44:02] Voice 6: system damage. I don't want to see, you know, the hillside damage. I'm pretty sure there's other

[0:44:08] Voice 6: ways of retaining the wall, natural planting. Like I've done some riparian planting in rivers

[0:44:15] Voice 6: and things like that. And I've seen the banks in some areas stabilize with the proper vegetation

[0:44:21] Voice 6: deep rooting things. So, you know, I just would like to see a little more of a natural

[0:44:27] Voice 6: a natural uh solution you know for this or it's not damaging the ecosystem the beauty of the beach

[0:44:34] Voice 6: and all that kind of thing so i just had to add that caution by the way i'm ken thomas from

[0:44:40] Voice 6: penelope tribes and part of council and i'll leave it at that and uh just like to um let you

[0:44:49] Voice 6: know reach out to us reach out to penelope you know it's it's that area is really important to

[0:44:56] Voice 6: us and uh feel free to contact us and have that communication with our nation because it is a

[0:45:02] Voice 6: concern i just want to thank you guys for your time that's good thank you uh

[0:45:09] Voice 26: any other speakers

[0:45:15] Voice 26: um my name is gary turner

[0:45:17] Voice 26: on your head

[0:45:21] Voice 17: thanks

[0:45:23] Voice 17: okay I didn't plan that

[0:45:26] Voice 17: but it's a good one

[0:45:28] Voice 17: my wife

[0:45:29] Voice 17: Beth and I have been

[0:45:30] Voice 17: I've enjoyed Booth Bay since our arrival

[0:45:32] Voice 17: in 1975

[0:45:34] Voice 17: first of all I want to say a comment

[0:45:37] Voice 17: I'm listening to other speakers

[0:45:39] Voice 17: and I'm glad I'm at this stage

[0:45:41] Voice 17: and I'm listening to that

[0:45:43] Voice 17: we've heard a diversity of opinions

[0:45:44] Voice 17: and lots of information

[0:45:46] Voice 17: and when we first became aware of the Baker Beach issue,

[0:45:54] Voice 17: there had been no consultation

[0:45:58] Voice 17: amongst all of the people who care about the place.

[0:46:01] Voice 17: Certainly we have sympathy for Mr. Ethan Wilding

[0:46:06] Voice 17: and his family and about his circumstances

[0:46:09] Voice 17: and we wish him no ill will,

[0:46:13] Voice 17: but collaboration is a wonderful thing

[0:46:15] Voice 17: and maybe we're just starting to do that now.

[0:46:18] Voice 17: I'm here today to offer a voice of opposition

[0:46:21] Voice 17: to the proposed construction of a rebattlement at Baker Beach

[0:46:24] Voice 17: for the purpose of a road.

[0:46:27] Voice 17: From his own promotional material,

[0:46:30] Voice 17: the proponent, Mr. Ethan Wilding,

[0:46:32] Voice 17: is described as a well-educated, successful businessman.

[0:46:36] Voice 17: As such, he would have purchased his beachfront property

[0:46:40] Voice 17: on Baker Road with the full knowledge

[0:46:42] Voice 17: of the environmental effects that climate change

[0:46:44] Voice 17: will have on coastal areas.

[0:46:47] Voice 17: And he would have known that the transaction did not include ownership rights or easements on the foreshore.

[0:46:54] Voice 17: To be clear, while this is not Mr. Wilding's preference, the revetment that he's proposing on Crownland could also be constructed on his own property.

[0:47:05] Voice 17: It's also worth noting that the existing CRD staircase at Baker Beach is somewhat of a model for Mr. Wilding's plan.

[0:47:13] Voice 17: It was built as a community asset to provide safe year-round access to one of the few warm water beaches on the island.

[0:47:23] Voice 17: In contrast, at exactly the most popular time of the day during high tide, Mr. Wilding's proposed revetment would become a barrier,

[0:47:32] Voice 17: extending into the sea, reducing pedestrian access, and making swimming plus safe.

[0:47:38] Voice 17: If this variance is approved, Mr. Wilding's waterfront experience would be enhanced and his property would be functionally enlarged.

[0:47:51] Voice 17: But the ecological and recreational value of this extraordinary location would be diminished.

[0:47:56] Voice 17: Mr. Wilding is privileged to live next to Baker Beach.

[0:48:00] Voice 17: That privilege does not entitle him to manage this public space according to his own priorities.

[0:48:07] Voice 17: Thank you very much.

[0:48:10] Voice 27: any further speakers tonight okay

[0:48:16] Voice 26: well i'm not seeing any more hands uh thank you everyone for

[0:48:19] Voice 26: your comments today and we're going to move along in our agenda now uh the next section is the

[0:48:28] Voice 26: trustee report section and the trustee see who'd like to go first go ahead trustee i'll keep it

[0:48:37] Voice 26: short um just observations after you know being in this scene for four years um when i when i

[0:48:48] Voice 26: started getting involved you know i was trying to fight against the island's trust um for overreach

[0:48:54] Voice 26: and um and the dis the dysfunction that's um glaring uh something was supposed to have been

[0:49:06] Voice 26: done about the dysfunction um this term you know let's talk about it but mind you nothing

[0:49:12] Voice 26: has been done when i just

[0:49:14] Voice 23: look at today's agenda package with the in-camera session

[0:49:18] Voice 26: and the regular

[0:49:19] Voice 26: agenda there are almost 450 pages to look at so how can anything be done

[0:49:26] Voice 26: you know meaningfully

[0:49:28] Voice 28: in one day for a 450 page agenda now it's clear something isn't working

[0:49:37] Voice 7: everybody has issues that's that are here right now and has to do with the dysfunction of the

[0:49:42] Voice 7: islands trust uh unfortunately it's uh it's

[0:49:48] Voice 26: continuing and um and i feel for the community

[0:49:52] Voice 26: i knew it was bad before i got involved and

[0:49:56] Voice 7: ran for this position um and after being here for

[0:49:59] Voice 7: four years uh it's much

[0:50:01] Voice 26: far worse than i ever so i just hope more people get involved

[0:50:08] Voice 26: try and put an end to to what's coming you know this community is suffering from

[0:50:13] Voice 26: them because there are answers to what we could do here as a community and unfortunately the

[0:50:19] Voice 26: island's trust isn't in that equation in my view i'll leave it there thanks justy patrick

[0:50:27] Voice 20: good morning

[0:50:28] Trustee Patrick: everyone um i think uh we're seeing the effects of sort of an angry planet right now

[0:50:36] Trustee Patrick: in nepal my thoughts are out this morning with the rescue efforts that are underway there

[0:50:42] Trustee Patrick: I used to say that my least favorite words as an elected official were unintended consequences.

[0:50:50] Trustee Patrick: Don't get me wrong, those words still send shivers down my spine.

[0:50:54] Trustee Patrick: But these days, there's another phrase that gets under my skin, evolving interpretation.

[0:51:00] Trustee Patrick: I want to take a few minutes to reflect on the history of the discussion of accessory dwelling units on Salt Spring,

[0:51:07] Trustee Patrick: because I think there's a useful lesson here for all of us, trustee staff,

[0:51:11] Trustee Patrick: staff and those that might be sitting around this table in the future.

[0:51:15] Trustee Patrick: In February 2022, Trustee Grove and I brought forward a request concerning

[0:51:19] Trustee Patrick: draft bylaws 5 to 8, a draft bylaw to expand

[0:51:23] Trustee Patrick: secondary suites. We wanted to explore adding other forms of accessory

[0:51:27] Trustee Patrick: dwelling units and the direction from staff, the

[0:51:31] Trustee Patrick: direction we made to staff was to

[0:51:35] Trustee Patrick: explore appropriate conditions and restrictions to phase in and manage

[0:51:39] Trustee Patrick: the impacts. At the time, we were also very interested in whether there could be a mechanism

[0:51:44] Trustee Patrick: to limit the total number of additional dwellings created through regulation. The April 22 staff

[0:51:51] Trustee Patrick: report is quite clear about this. The LTC felt the OCP amendment to allow accessory dwelling units

[0:51:57] Trustee Patrick: wouldn't be necessary if there were mechanisms to establish a number of units permitted on the

[0:52:03] Trustee Patrick: island. But staff advised us that we could not do that. A number of reasons were given

[0:52:09] Trustee Patrick: and jurisdictional limitations, the inability to maintain a registry, resource constraints,

[0:52:14] Trustee Patrick: and concerns about committing future LTCs to ongoing monitoring. Trustee Grove and I nevertheless

[0:52:20] Trustee Patrick: continued to advocate for what we thought was a fairly straightforward approach, cast a wide

[0:52:26] Trustee Patrick: net, but limit the numbers. We weren't trying to decide in advance which particular property

[0:52:31] Trustee Patrick: should be allowed accessory dwelling units, quite the opposite. We wanted to create an opportunity

[0:52:36] Trustee Patrick: for people who both wanted to provide housing

[0:52:39] Trustee Patrick: and were able to be landlords.

[0:52:41] Trustee Patrick: We understood that if you simply preselected parcels

[0:52:45] Trustee Patrick: on a map, you immediately narrowed the pool

[0:52:48] Trustee Patrick: of potential housing providers.

[0:52:50] Trustee Patrick: At the time, we also looked at approaches

[0:52:52] Trustee Patrick: being used elsewhere.

[0:52:54] Trustee Patrick: The San Juan Islands, for example,

[0:52:56] Trustee Patrick: have used a lottery system to limit the number of ADUs.

[0:53:00] Trustee Patrick: We were told the Local Government Act

[0:53:02] Trustee Patrick: did not provide the authority to do that.

[0:53:04] Trustee Patrick: We suggested a registry combined with periodic reviews of bylaws so that we could monitor whether the numbers remained reasonable and whether the program was actually producing the housing we needed.

[0:53:16] Trustee Patrick: Again, we were told that there were no resources and that future LTCs could not be committed to monitoring the bylaw and that it was not within our jurisdiction.

[0:53:26] Trustee Patrick: Fast forward to 2026. The Gabriola Local Trust Committee is now setting a cap on the number of flexible housing units.

[0:53:34] Trustee Patrick: When I saw that I was a little puzzled and I asked staff to clarify because I was quite certain that we had previously been told we couldn't do this.

[0:53:44] Trustee Patrick: And this is when I first heard the phrase evolving interpretation.

[0:53:50] Trustee Patrick: I understand that legislation gets interpreted differently over time.

[0:53:53] Trustee Patrick: I understand that legal advice evolves, and I also understand that new information and new

[0:53:58] Trustee Patrick: circumstances can change how we approach a problem. But there's an important lesson here.

[0:54:04] Trustee Patrick: When trustees are told something is not possible, we make decisions based on that information and

[0:54:09] Trustee Patrick: we abandon some approaches. We pursue others and we tell the public what we believe we can and

[0:54:14] Trustee Patrick: cannot solve. So when the interpretation changes, it matters. We acknowledge that change and

[0:54:21] Trustee Patrick: and understand what caused it.

[0:54:23] Trustee Patrick: Those of us trying to address the housing challenge

[0:54:26] Trustee Patrick: understand that we need innovation and bold solutions.

[0:54:30] Trustee Patrick: We need to think carefully

[0:54:32] Trustee Patrick: about how to create housing opportunities

[0:54:34] Trustee Patrick: while also managing the cumulative effects

[0:54:36] Trustee Patrick: and protecting the environment.

[0:54:38] Trustee Patrick: The original idea from Trustee Grove and I

[0:54:41] Trustee Patrick: was never complicated,

[0:54:43] Trustee Patrick: cast a wide net, limit the numbers.

[0:54:46] Trustee Patrick: I think the principle is still worth pursuing.

[0:54:49] Trustee Patrick: And as this work moves forward,

[0:54:50] Trustee Patrick: or particularly with a new group of trustees,

[0:54:52] Trustee Patrick: I hope lesson is that when we encounter a barrier,

[0:54:56] Trustee Patrick: we don't simply accept no as the end of the conversation.

[0:55:01] Trustee Patrick: We should ask, is it a legal requirement?

[0:55:04] Trustee Patrick: Is it a policy's choice?

[0:55:05] Trustee Patrick: Is it a resource issue?

[0:55:07] Trustee Patrick: Or is it simply a current interpretation?

[0:55:12] Trustee Patrick: Because sometimes we've learned interpretations evolved.

[0:55:16] Trustee Patrick: And when they do,

[0:55:17] Trustee Patrick: we should be prepared to evolve with them,

[0:55:19] Trustee Patrick: but also to remember what we were told before

[0:55:22] Trustee Patrick: and the decisions that we've made.

[0:55:27] Trustee Patrick: On the meeting front,

[0:55:28] Trustee Patrick: there has been a busy summer.

[0:55:30] Trustee Patrick: Usually we get summers off,

[0:55:31] Trustee Patrick: but all the committees have been meeting

[0:55:33] Trustee Patrick: from the Trust Council, Governance, Trust Programs,

[0:55:37] Trustee Patrick: and Regional Planning Committee and Financial Planning.

[0:55:39] Trustee Patrick: Believe it or not, building a budget for next year already.

[0:55:42] Trustee Patrick: I chaired two executive committee meetings,

[0:55:45] Trustee Patrick: chaired a regular and special meeting

[0:55:48] Trustee Patrick: for the Gabriel Local Trust Committee

[0:55:49] Trustee Patrick: who are working for consideration of their first reading

[0:55:52] Trustee Patrick: of their OCP in September.

[0:55:54] Trustee Patrick: I chaired a regular and three community information meetings

[0:55:57] Trustee Patrick: for Gambier Island.

[0:55:59] Trustee Patrick: They gave first reading to their,

[0:56:01] Trustee Patrick: an amendment to bring in First Nations context

[0:56:04] Trustee Patrick: to their OCP.

[0:56:06] Trustee Patrick: And I chaired the executive committee

[0:56:10] Trustee Patrick: acting as the local trust committee

[0:56:13] Trustee Patrick: for the Bologna-Swinchelsea Islands.

[0:56:16] Trustee Patrick: attended the southern gulf island forum and on august 3rd i was honored to march for the

[0:56:25] Trustee Patrick: children of shamanus along with the penelope elders there in shamanus and i encourage everyone

[0:56:31] Trustee Patrick: next summer please go to shamanus on that long august weekend and march for the children to

[0:56:38] Trustee Patrick: remember the impacts of residential schools and that many children to come

[0:56:44] Trustee Patrick: and

[0:56:45] Voice 18: that's my report yeah thank

[0:56:48] Voice 26: you chair uh justin patrick um so next chair's report um

[0:56:56] Voice 26: the uh summer as uh justin patrick mentioned i find the governance committee trust programs

[0:57:02] Voice 26: committee the islands trust conservancy joint meeting with executive committee

[0:57:10] Voice 26: CAO performance evaluation committee,

[0:57:12] Voice 26: financial planning committee,

[0:57:13] Voice 26: a couple of executive committee meetings.

[0:57:16] Voice 26: And so coming up September 9th to 11th

[0:57:21] Voice 26: is the final trust council meeting of the term.

[0:57:25] Voice 26: Be held electronically.

[0:57:28] Voice 26: It will include a first look at budget items.

[0:57:33] Voice 26: Importantly, a review of the letter of understanding

[0:57:37] Voice 26: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee, CRD,

[0:57:41] Voice 26: which is the formalized relationship

[0:57:42] Voice 26: between the local trust committee

[0:57:44] Voice 26: and the local community commission,

[0:57:46] Voice 26: which I have some representatives here

[0:57:49] Voice 26: who we're gonna hear from next,

[0:57:50] Voice 26: but I think this term has been a good start

[0:57:55] Voice 26: for building those relationships between the bodies.

[0:57:59] Voice 26: And so this will formalize that letter of understanding

[0:58:04] Voice 26: and then go to the CRD for their process.

[0:58:08] Voice 26: We'll also be looking at the implications of the Provincial Infrastructure Project Act.

[0:58:15] Voice 26: The trust can also be asked to make a decision around the new corporate planning process

[0:58:22] Voice 26: and consider recommendations for the new trust council around the council committee structure, amongst other things.

[0:58:33] Voice 26: I'm going to leave it there because gosh knows we could go on and on telling the entire agenda,

[0:58:39] Voice 26: but that would probably be a bit tiresome.

[0:58:42] Voice 26: So next up on our agenda today is the reports from the CRD director and the commission chair.

[0:58:55] Voice 26: Thank you, Chair.

[0:58:57] Voice 26: Happy to be here today.

[0:58:58] Voice 26: We've got a full agenda, so I'll try to keep it brief.

[0:59:03] Voice 28: We're kind of surprised and delighted as I think many of the islanders were to come out.

[0:59:07] Voice 28: We had pressure on our roads over the

[0:59:10] Voice 23: last few days.

[0:59:12] Voice 23: That's always been a perpetual challenge for us.

[0:59:16] Voice 23: But the LCC has been working hard to develop a working relationship with the Ministry of Transportation, especially the local management.

[0:59:22] Voice 23: I was pleased to see that one road that had not been painted in the past because it was

[0:59:27] Voice 23: being too

[0:59:28] Voice 26: narrow received the center line and I think a motion requesting that from

[0:59:33] Voice 26: the LCC had something to do with that.

[0:59:35] Voice 26: I thank Director Holman for that motion and we're seeing some progress.

[0:59:40] Voice 23: We met twice a month in August

[0:59:43] Voice 26: at a couple of full-day meetings and first a special meeting

[0:59:45] Voice 26: name to preview and include the original budget for Salt Spring for next year for 2027. It's

[0:59:54] Voice 26: interesting this year that the original budget was reviewed and amended by the existing local

[0:59:59] Voice 26: committee.

[1:00:00] Voice 26: and the final budget will be approved by the new commission that's elected in october

[1:00:05] Voice 23: um looking at uh once again a somewhat lower increase than we haven't seen in previous years

[1:00:11] Voice 26: uh the preliminary is about a six or seven

[1:00:14] Voice 23: percent increase um we're thinking that the

[1:00:18] Voice 23: regional amount that comes

[1:00:20] Voice 7: in on top of that for our share of regional services would probably be

[1:00:24] Voice 7: bit more than that and it's it's early in the process

[1:00:26] Voice 26: um we also have a full visit meeting

[1:00:30] Voice 26: on the 20th um including a presentation on the proposed and recreational vehicle parkland

[1:00:36] Voice 26: and plans for

[1:00:39] Voice 23: development orientation for new commissioners so that after the election

[1:00:43] Voice 26: folks can get the ground running um and i would just like to point out that looking ahead to

[1:00:49] Voice 26: september um we all seem to be working with others stakeholders in the last year or so on developing

[1:00:56] Voice 26: an integrated housing strategy for the island we spent a lot of time in outreach and collecting

[1:01:01] Voice 26: data um on our september 17th meeting we will be getting the first view of the draft for the

[1:01:10] Voice 26: fall strategy report and so if you're interested in that and i hope you are um that should be

[1:01:17] Voice 26: available in the agenda package coming out on September, if you want, I think.

[1:01:21] Voice 26: Thank you. Go ahead.

[1:01:28] Voice 23: Yeah, thanks.

[1:01:30] Voice 23: So just on Laura's comment about the

[1:01:37] Voice 23: protocol agreement, that's taken some

[1:01:39] Voice 23: time to finalize, but people should understand

[1:01:43] Voice 23: the LTC and the LCC have been meeting

[1:01:47] Voice 23: regularly over a three-year period. So the actual

[1:01:51] Voice 23: working together and collaboration that's actually been happening.

[1:01:55] Voice 23: The document that ensures that that will continue on in the future

[1:01:59] Voice 23: is taking a bit of time to finalize. Just on the

[1:02:03] Voice 23: budget issue, the City Board will be

[1:02:08] Voice 23: approving final budgets in September

[1:02:11] Voice 23: and it's moved up a month this term because of the election

[1:02:15] Voice 23: and regionally and overall it looks like

[1:02:19] Voice 23: The requisition increase will be in the 6% to 7% range, which is still higher than the rate of inflation, but given the pressures and frankly the aspirations as well, it is coming in a little lower than previous years.

[1:02:37] Voice 23: I did want to mention, and I have mentioned several times, the initiative, the Primary Care Network Initiative by the Ministry of Health, and it's a partnership with the South Island Division of Family Practice, if I got the name right, Island Health, Doctors of BC.

[1:02:59] Voice 23: and there's a recruitment process associated with that.

[1:03:07] Voice 23: And the reason I'm, it's not a CRD issue,

[1:03:09] Voice 23: but I sit on the implementation committee

[1:03:12] Voice 23: along with David Nogret of SHAM.

[1:03:15] Voice 23: And the new attachments that have been made possible

[1:03:22] Voice 23: by a couple of new doctors arriving on Salt Spring

[1:03:26] Voice 23: is about 1,500 now.

[1:03:28] Voice 23: And the way to, if you don't have a family doctor, the way to get on the waiting list is there is a HealthConnect registry that people should get on that list to be considered.

[1:03:43] Voice 23: There will be future physicians, nurses, that process is underway.

[1:03:48] Voice 23: It's kind of under the radar, but it really is significantly benefiting Salisbury.

[1:03:54] Voice 23: bring, just wanted to mention the composter again down at

[1:03:57] Voice 23: Burgoyne. CRD has initiated a public consultation

[1:04:01] Voice 23: process, I believe. It might go to mid-September

[1:04:05] Voice 23: and the purpose of that process is to get feedback

[1:04:09] Voice 23: on the CRD exempting

[1:04:13] Voice 23: the Burgoyne facility from the CRD composting bylaw, which

[1:04:17] Voice 23: restricts the feedstock that the facility can receive

[1:04:21] Voice 23: received from offsite. So it's my understanding that there have been virtually no local impacts

[1:04:32] Voice 23: from the composter. Hopefully the consultation process will result in the CRD recommending

[1:04:38] Voice 23: to the province, the province has to finally agree to the exemption. When that's done,

[1:04:43] Voice 23: the facility will be able to receive feedstocks from a way such as cooked waste. And it also

[1:04:50] Voice 23: was an implication for the high school uh the students did a waste audit there 75 waste generated

[1:04:56] Voice 23: the high school is compostable and so when that facility is able to receive uh materials including

[1:05:04] Voice 23: cooked waste from the um the cafeteria uh that'll be a significant step forward for the high school

[1:05:10] Voice 23: as as well as uh as whether as well as other materials as well but that are compostable

[1:05:17] Voice 23: Just on Lake Energy's Hill project, one concern at the LCC has been receiving concerns as well as myself and MOT about the grates on the downhill lane.

[1:05:32] Voice 23: And there are about a dozen grates. There's signage there clearly indicating that there are bumps in the shoulder.

[1:05:41] Voice 23: And this is a real concern about the safety implications of that.

[1:05:47] Voice 23: MOT has indicated to us that at this point, while they've done some repaving around the grates to try to smooth out bumps, they're not planning on going any further.

[1:05:59] Voice 23: So that may require future advocacy by the LCC and the CRTO on that matter.

[1:06:06] Voice 23: There will be a notice of motion going to the Electoral Area Committee and ultimately the board.

[1:06:12] Voice 23: There are federal MPPs on Vancouver Island that are advocating for more equitable treatment by the federal government in terms of ferry subsidies.

[1:06:25] Voice 23: The East Coast, the Maritimes have a subsidy in the range of – anyway, it's many times higher than what we receive on British Columbia.

[1:06:34] Voice 23: so that the Electoral Committee will be moving a motion

[1:06:40] Voice 23: to join in on that advocacy,

[1:06:42] Voice 23: and hopefully that would be endorsed by the CRD board.

[1:06:47] Voice 23: And yeah, thanks, Chair.

[1:06:50] Voice 25: Thank you.

[1:06:52] Voice 25: And just on

[1:06:52] Voice 26: that last piece,

[1:06:55] Voice 26: Member of Parliament for the area I'm in,

[1:06:59] Voice 26: for John has a motion before becoming full parliament,

[1:07:03] Voice 26: including that i bring in trustee sponsored our resolution to press council um asking that we uh

[1:07:10] Voice 26: send a letter of support as well and there's also an online petition um if you want to uh join that

[1:07:17] Voice 26: uh mp gore jobs website and there's a link there you can sign the petitioner

[1:07:25] Voice 26: uh and thanks uh to both of you for coming in and sharing uh the reports from your bodies

[1:07:37] Voice 26: um next we have the requirements of the july 9th for adoption and i'll see if there's any

[1:07:48] Voice 26: amendments to uh mr patrick just

[1:07:51] Trustee Patrick: a minor typo in section 11.1 uh first sentence it just is it just

[1:07:58] Trustee Patrick: reads funny it says active projects list but to align with the current suite three so i think

[1:08:03] Trustee Patrick: it's to align the three ltc so current suite just okay

[1:08:09] Voice 26: and i could take it by general consent then

[1:08:18] Voice 26: And then we have the draft minutes of the July

[1:08:24] Voice 26: 21st Project Advisory Commission here for our review and information.

[1:08:36] Voice 26: And similarly, we have the draft answer.

[1:08:39] Voice 26: Sorry,

[1:08:40] Voice 14: maybe I'll just mention that I believe the intention, my inbox is full as I know yours are.

[1:08:45] Voice 14: I believe the intention is to provide the LTC with a follow-up report about the recommendations

[1:08:50] Voice 14: that were made by the PAPC for your next meeting.

[1:08:54] Voice 14: You can receive the minutes for now, but you'll get a...

[1:08:56] Voice 22: Yeah, I assume that, yes.

[1:08:59] Voice 22: And then similarly, we have the draft minutes of the July

[1:09:02] Voice 26: 23rd Advisory Planning Commission.

[1:09:04] Voice 26: So for you, I appreciate that.

[1:09:07] Voice 26: Take a moment to appreciate the work of all of the Advisory Planning Commissions

[1:09:13] Voice 26: um volunteering your time to help your your community and help your local trust committee

[1:09:20] Voice 26: make good decisions appreciate your service um no public hearing record today so the next section

[1:09:30] Voice 26: is correspondence we have five pieces of correspondence and i'll want to see if there

[1:09:34] Voice 26: are any to be raised for discussion action trustee patrick i

[1:09:38] Trustee Patrick: just have a few things to

[1:09:40] Trustee Patrick: say about the first one starters 9.1 that's toward my name i wanted to thank mr attor for

[1:09:47] Trustee Patrick: his correspondence and for the time he's taking to review the reports and raise questions the issue

[1:09:53] Trustee Patrick: he raises relates primarily to the completeness of the public engagement record and whether all

[1:09:58] Trustee Patrick: public input has been appropriately considered those are legitimate questions for staff to

[1:10:04] Trustee Patrick: address through the renewed OCP and land use bylaw process. From my perspective these reports were

[1:10:10] Trustee Patrick: prepared through staff-led public processes with professional consultants and I have full

[1:10:17] Trustee Patrick: confidence that our staff exercised appropriate professional diligence and that any outstanding

[1:10:23] Trustee Patrick: questions can be addressed through the renewed work program as the project moves forward under

[1:10:29] Trustee Patrick: under the renewed staff led process.

[1:10:32] Trustee Patrick: Like I said, I'm confident that staff

[1:10:33] Trustee Patrick: will carefully review all available information,

[1:10:36] Trustee Patrick: address any gaps that may exist

[1:10:38] Trustee Patrick: and continue working to build public confidence

[1:10:40] Trustee Patrick: in the process.

[1:10:41] Trustee Patrick: I do ever want to comment on a broader issue.

[1:10:45] Trustee Patrick: Mr. Retorf has publicly criticized me

[1:10:48] Trustee Patrick: for my opposition of the terms of reference

[1:10:50] Trustee Patrick: from the 2022 governance report.

[1:10:52] Trustee Patrick: And I believe it's important to explain that

[1:10:53] Trustee Patrick: and it is related and I'll come back

[1:10:55] Trustee Patrick: to the correspondence here in a second.

[1:10:57] Trustee Patrick: My concern was never about examining governance.

[1:11:00] Trustee Patrick: Good governance should always be open to review.

[1:11:03] Trustee Patrick: My concern was the process used to create the review itself.

[1:11:07] Trustee Patrick: The proposed terms of reference was developed outside the public meeting process by a group of trustees and then presented to trust counsel as a finished product.

[1:11:16] Trustee Patrick: There was little opportunity for counsel to shape or amend the work before being asked to approve it.

[1:11:22] Trustee Patrick: Following my criticism, I received an email from Trustee Steve Wright acknowledging that trustees had been contacted individually in advance to determine their support and apologizing that I had inadvertently left out of those discussions.

[1:11:36] Trustee Patrick: I appreciate his candor and his apology.

[1:11:39] Trustee Patrick: That correspondence reinforced my concern that significant work had occurred outside the public decision-making process before the matter ever reached the Council.

[1:11:48] Trustee Patrick: Final governance review report itself also states that additional confidential interviews were conducted, selected individuals chosen from the project team, and there were on Salt Spring.

[1:12:00] Trustee Patrick: Those interviews were explicitly not part of any public consultation process.

[1:12:06] Trustee Patrick: I raise this not to revisit history, but because I believe we should apply the same standard to every public process.

[1:12:12] Trustee Patrick: We expect complete openness, transparency, and accountability from our current planning work, and we should expect those same standards from the governance reviews as well.

[1:12:22] Trustee Patrick: We cannot criticize one process for lacking transparency while defending another that relied on confidential discussions and work developed outside the public meeting process.

[1:12:33] Trustee Patrick: For me, consistency matters. I supported transparency then, and I support transparency now. My position has not changed.

[1:12:39] Trustee Patrick: And as we move forward with the renewed OCP and land use bylaw review, my focus remains on ensuring the process is open, evidence-based, and gives

[1:12:49] Trustee Patrick: every member of our community the confidence that their input is

[1:12:53] Voice 20: fairly considered.

[1:12:59] Voice 27: Thank

[1:12:59] Voice 26: you. Any further items or correspondence?

[1:13:05] Voice 26: Yes.

[1:13:06] Trustee Patrick: 9.4?

[1:13:07] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead.

[1:13:08] Trustee Patrick: I want to say I know you're sitting in the room today, Dave, Carol, and Corey Johnson, the correspondents, and I thank you for reminding and bringing our attention.

[1:13:21] Trustee Patrick: Your correspondence is well-timed with the item later in the agenda.

[1:13:25] Trustee Patrick: I'll be talking about the follow-up action list and keeping track, transparency of everything that we need to change in our land use bylaws and OCPs.

[1:13:35] Trustee Patrick: and this is an example when it falls between the cracks how can we ever consider catching up with

[1:13:41] Trustee Patrick: correcting um or having those opportunities to correct our land use bylaws uh where improvement

[1:13:48] Trustee Patrick: could be made so thank you for your correspondence i'll be referring to it again later in the agenda

[1:13:53] Trustee Patrick: uh and that item about uh replacing the future project list okay

[1:14:00] Voice 26: uh can we not um deal with 9.4

[1:14:05] Voice 26: for the correspondence now and staff to make this priority

[1:14:11] Voice 26: to fix this housekeeping mistake

[1:14:16] Voice 26: and ask them to work with the folks

[1:14:19] Voice 26: from Island Marine Construction to get it done ASAP.

[1:14:24] Voice 26: Okay, what would be more appropriate

[1:14:26] Voice 26: is to put an item under section 17

[1:14:32] Voice 26: team um and uh we'll you

[1:14:43] Voice 27: know we've

[1:14:47] Voice 26: been great at that earlier but uh i'll just look to trust

[1:14:50] Voice 26: we'd like to add this for uh 17.3 so simple just have a brief discussion yeah

[1:15:02] Voice 26: so discussion in my mind means no uh discussion could include motion and

[1:15:09] Voice 26: and that'll be fine.

[1:15:11] Voice 26: Great.

[1:15:11] Voice 26: That's also, that's going to come in after our break.

[1:15:14] Voice 26: So that'll be an opportunity if you wanted to check in

[1:15:16] Voice 26: with staff over and around wording motions or whatever.

[1:15:20] Voice 26: I think that'd be the best.

[1:15:21] Voice 26: Thank you.

[1:15:22] Voice 26: Okay, so anything else on the correspondence today?

[1:15:27] Voice 26: Receipt.

[1:15:27] Voice 26: Oh, thank you.

[1:15:29] Voice 26: So next is the section 10.1,

[1:15:33] Voice 26: which is the follow-up action list report

[1:15:36] Voice 26: starting on page 39.

[1:15:37] Voice 26: Now I will look to our PM Yeomans

[1:15:41] Voice 26: to see if there's anything you would highlight for us today.

[1:15:43] Voice 14: Nothing to add at present, Chair.

[1:15:46] Voice 26: Trustee, any questions, comments?

[1:15:53] Voice 26: I just, I have one, and this is for our PM Yeomans.

[1:16:00] Voice 26: This was brought up earlier, I believe,

[1:16:03] Voice 26: before you came as Acting Archim,

[1:16:07] Voice 26: which is practiced on the North Islands, on the North Office, which is to generate a resolution

[1:16:15] Voice 26: log that comes out after meetings and then gets sent out to trustees as an email. I brought this

[1:16:23] Voice 26: up previously because it's just a really, it's an easy way for trustees and I would assume staff

[1:16:30] Voice 26: out to sort of keep abreast and and uh what resolutions have been made and uh certainly

[1:16:38] Voice 26: what i do that is have a folder on my computer and i put the resolution logs from each ltc that

[1:16:47] Voice 26: gets them in there and then there's an easy reference to go back so i'm just gonna mention

[1:16:53] Voice 26: that's a practice that the north office does for consideration sure

[1:16:58] Voice 14: thanks chair the current

[1:16:59] Voice 14: current practice in the salt spring office that i've inherited has been that the resolution log

[1:17:03] Voice 14: hasn't been generated until the minutes of the previous meeting have been finalized but i'm happy

[1:17:08] Voice 14: to to um to front run that before the minutes have been formalized and send out the resolution

[1:17:14] Voice 14: log recognizing that the residents the minutes themselves have not been formally adopted and

[1:17:21] Voice 14: maybe some some changes but yeah happy to take that it's

[1:17:25] Voice 26: it's just a very useful and and i know

[1:17:28] Voice 26: that um and discussion that this will just maybe in the past sometimes your solutions

[1:17:35] Voice 26: uh are hard to find again uh trustee patrick did you have something on that

[1:17:41] Voice 26: okay so next is the work program uh starting on 46 and uh over to staff to highlight anything

[1:17:51] Voice 14: sure let me flip some pages here chair um nothing to add specifically on the work program other than

[1:18:02] Voice 14: And that's maybe the opportune time to highlight that with Planner Thick's departure, with the impending departure of Planner Panahifar, moving to a job a little closer to his home on Vancouver Island, we're going to find ourselves running at a bit of a staff shortage.

[1:18:21] Voice 14: And so I'm not sure what the implications are yet for the LTC's work program or indeed for our application processing.

[1:18:29] Voice 14: assessing but I would anticipate I hope you'll be patient with us in that timelines for some

[1:18:35] Voice 14: things are going to be slowed down while we're down some people the island planner position has

[1:18:39] Voice 14: been posted currently seeking a new island planner the planner one position has not yet been posted

[1:18:45] Voice 14: but will be shortly and so we'll look to fill those positions as quickly as we can and keep

[1:18:50] Voice 14: the work of this local trust committee on track

[1:18:53] Voice 26: any questions trustees I have a question but not

[1:19:01] Voice 26: for um jason yeomans uh i have a question pertaining to what we talked about earlier

[1:19:06] Voice 26: about 9.4 and then housekeeping comes stretching to our attention um what what time of the day

[1:19:14] Voice 26: will that be happening and uh

[1:19:16] Voice 26: they're

[1:19:19] Voice 7: sitting here now so i'm just curious

[1:19:21] Voice 26: right uh we are going to

[1:19:24] Voice 26: be we're just about to go into the closed meeting and then we're going to take a break and then

[1:19:30] Voice 26: and we're coming back for applications starting at noon.

[1:19:35] Voice 26: So it's going to be a bit later on.

[1:19:37] Voice 26: Can we bump that to noon?

[1:19:42] Voice 26: I don't want to promise

[1:19:43] Voice 22: that the thing about the way

[1:19:47] Voice 22: we've got it set up with the application

[1:19:48] Voice 26: was starting at noon so that the applicants

[1:19:51] Voice 26: can have some level of understanding

[1:19:56] Voice 26: when we might be addressing their application

[1:19:58] Voice 26: in case they want to come in and speak to us.

[1:20:00] Voice 26: um so yeah i think reordering at this point's a little bit awkward and i understand people have

[1:20:15] Voice 26: visit us but uh also we didn't uh if we had the opportunity to add to that then discuss that

[1:20:24] Voice 26: here to make um anything else on the active projects list no and we have the future projects

[1:20:46] Voice 26: And so we do have a closed meeting coming up.

[1:20:53] Voice 26: And.

[1:20:56] Voice 26: To trustees.

[1:20:58] Voice 26: Motion for us.

[1:21:00] Voice 26: Is

[1:21:01] Voice 18: the motion.

[1:21:02] Voice 18: I just asked that.

[1:21:03] Voice 18: I don't want to.

[1:21:07] Voice 18: Cover it.

[1:21:10] Voice 18: For the rest of the meeting.

[1:21:11] Voice 18: resolution to go on the camera.

[1:21:15] Voice 14: Yeah, it does.

[1:21:16] Voice 14: All

[1:21:17] Trustee Patrick: right, thank you.

[1:21:18] Trustee Patrick: That's all.

[1:21:19] Trustee Patrick: So therefore, I'll move that the meeting be closed

[1:21:22] Trustee Patrick: to the public in accordance with the community charter

[1:21:25] Trustee Patrick: part four, division three, S91,

[1:21:28] Trustee Patrick: the purpose of considering I, the receipt of advice

[1:21:31] Trustee Patrick: that a significant solicitor client

[1:21:33] Trustee Patrick: for putting communications necessary for that purpose

[1:21:36] Trustee Patrick: and that the reporter and staff be invited to remain.

[1:21:39] Trustee Patrick: game we

[1:21:41] Voice 26: have a second here second motion discussion all questions all in favor

[1:21:52] Voice 26: so we're going to give everyone a minute to um

[1:21:55] Voice 26: no and you're

[1:21:57] Voice 22: going to be reconvening uh for the public at noon

[1:44:00] Voice 27: Now you can hear us, can't you?

[1:44:09] Voice 27: Is that right?

[1:44:10] Voice 27: There it is.

[1:44:14] Voice 26: Okay, well, I'm going to call the meeting back to order,

[1:44:18] Voice 26: and I will rise and report from our in-camera meeting

[1:44:22] Voice 26: that we adopted the in-camera meeting minutes of July 9th.

[1:44:33] Voice 26: Okay, so that brings us to the applications section.

[1:44:37] Voice 26: section and to start with that 16.1 sort of on page 52 you can have a 434 Baker Road and

[1:44:48] Voice 26: okay thank

[1:44:53] Voice 14: you chair uh this application concerns a joint development variance permit and development

[1:44:59] Voice 14: permit application for a stacked boulder revetment for the purposes of shoreline stabilization at

[1:45:06] Voice 14: 434 Baker Road. The subject property and its shoreline is within development permit area 3

[1:45:13] Voice 14: for shoreline protection. I won't actually say a great deal on the subject of the application and

[1:45:22] Voice 14: the intricacies of it today. You'll find in the report that's been provided to you that the

[1:45:27] Voice 14: applicant has provided a rationale for the need for their application, as well as a report from

[1:45:31] Voice 14: registered professional biologist and from a professional engineer. However, you will also

[1:45:37] Voice 14: find in the agenda package that attachment 1 contains a letter under the signature of

[1:45:43] Voice 14: Islands Trust Director of Planning Services, Stefan Cermak, that indicates that the proposed use

[1:45:49] Voice 14: is in fact a structure, would be considered a structure under the land use by-law and is not

[1:45:55] Voice 14: a permitted structure below the natural boundary of the sea in the shoreline six zone.

[1:46:01] Voice 14: And on that basis, staff have not provided you draft permits for your consideration today, either the variance permit or the development permit, and would recommend that if the LTC was interested in entertaining considerations of these permit applications, that the applicant would first need to rezone the S6 zone adjacent to their property to permit this type of structure in the marine zone.

[1:46:33] Voice 26: And yeah, if it's with us, would you like to add anything at this time?

[1:46:38] Voice 26: If you could just come up a little bit closer than the folks online can hear you.

[1:46:42] Voice 26: Great.

[1:46:47] Voice 12: So I'd like to start by thanking the trustees, as well as staff, for the opportunity

[1:46:52] Voice 12: to share my perspective on this decision-making process. I recognize that your time is valuable,

[1:46:58] Voice 12: and I do not take for granted the courtesy you've been granted to this hearing. That said,

[1:47:03] Voice 12: While I wish I could characterize this process as not having been a waste of time, perhaps even a constructive collaboration, the reality has been quite the opposite.

[1:47:12] Voice 12: What should have been a common purpose, defined by a transparent communication and mutual problem solving, has instead been marked by opacity and an almost total lack of interaction.

[1:47:24] Voice 12: In eight months, staff have met with us once, for 30 minutes.

[1:47:28] Voice 12: The toll of the uncertainty has moved beyond simple inconvenience into something far more wary, a profound disappointment in a system I had assumed existed to help, not hinder.

[1:47:40] Voice 12: What I am left with is not merely frustration, but a deep and growing disappointment in a process that erodes public faith in our institutions.

[1:47:49] Voice 12: What I find particularly frustrating is that these problems seem to be completely unnecessary and avoidable if clear and standardized processes were in place.

[1:47:58] Voice 12: I do not raise this to assign blame to any individual as I suspect the challenges I've

[1:48:03] Voice 12: encountered are less a matter of personal failure and more of a reflection of a system that does not

[1:48:08] Voice 12: keep pace with the needs of the community it serves. This appears to be a long-standing issue,

[1:48:14] Voice 12: one that has likely been in place since the trust was formed and is in urgent need of updating.

[1:48:19] Voice 12: At no time since this application process first began, going back to 2022, have I been informed

[1:48:25] Voice 12: by staff that a rezoning would be required, until the correspondence I received just two months ago.

[1:48:32] Voice 12: In fact, the opposite is true. On July 7th, 2025, a year ago, more than a year ago, my planner asked

[1:48:40] Voice 12: staff in writing what the process is for a revetment shoreline stabilization project

[1:48:45] Voice 12: within shoreline zone six. Staff answered the same day, a development permit under OCPE 3.1.2f

[1:48:54] Voice 12: and a setback and so under the permit ocp under the ocp e312f and a setback variance under lub

[1:49:04] Voice 12: 4.4 and they sent two application guides nothing about what they said involved a prohibited use

[1:49:10] Voice 12: section 9.11.1 or 4.4 they said nearly all we had to do was apply for a variance permit and

[1:49:19] Voice 12: development permit and that's exactly what we did right under their guidelines a year ago

[1:49:23] Voice 12: and they were right at that time and the plan itself says so the development permit area three

[1:49:28] Voice 12: sets out the activities that require a permit here and it says the construction of shoreline

[1:49:33] Voice 12: stabilization works that is the provision staff pointed us to directly the plan then sets out

[1:49:38] Voice 12: exactly how such an application is to be handled a professional engineer's report followed by

[1:49:45] Voice 12: guidelines e3.422 all the way through 3.427 the last of which tells the applicant how a revetment

[1:49:52] Voice 12: and it should be built, down to the filter plot,

[1:49:55] Voice 12: and an OCP that treats a revetmik here as impossible

[1:49:58] Voice 12: would not carry a guideline on how to create one.

[1:50:00] Voice 12: And nowhere in the plan does it say

[1:50:02] Voice 12: the first step is to rezone the crown foreshore.

[1:50:06] Voice 12: Moreover, and quite relevant to this issue,

[1:50:08] Voice 12: and relevant to our case,

[1:50:10] Voice 12: is that staff have permitted two rock walls

[1:50:12] Voice 12: on either side of my property.

[1:50:14] Voice 12: There's 241 quarry drive,

[1:50:16] Voice 12: and there's a rock wall with concrete

[1:50:17] Voice 12: that the CRD built to protect beach access from erosion.

[1:50:20] Voice 12: erosion. Neither of those rock retaining walls needed rezoning to get approved. And the staff

[1:50:26] Voice 12: report does not mention them. So either a route through this rezoning bylaw exists that was never

[1:50:32] Voice 12: offered to me, or a rule left unenforced, the length of this beach being applied to my property

[1:50:39] Voice 12: alone. And this seems patently arbitrary and unfair. I would note that this is not without

[1:50:44] Voice 12: precedent. The shoreline stabilization permits have been issued within Zone 6 prior to this

[1:50:50] Voice 12: application. On June 14, 2022, this committee here considered a rock retaining wall at 371

[1:50:57] Voice 12: Isabella Point, also in development permit area 3, also subject to the same land use bylaw 355

[1:51:02] Voice 12: and in an S6 zone. That place was constructed without a permit and carried two enforcement

[1:51:09] Voice 12: files, and staff acknowledged at the time that the project failed to meet numerous DPA3 guidelines,

[1:51:14] Voice 12: yet they nonetheless recommended approval for this committee and this committee concurred.

[1:51:19] Voice 12: In contrast, my application was submitted proactively, with all the appropriate professionals

[1:51:25] Voice 12: retained, and in full adherence to the written guidance provided by your staff.

[1:51:30] Voice 12: I have followed this process they set out to me in good faith.

[1:51:33] Voice 12: It is therefore difficult not to observe the disparity when, in my case, staff have recommended

[1:51:39] Voice 12: rejection, or at least recommended reasonably.

[1:51:41] Voice 12: I would ask only that the same consideration and fairness extend to that previous application

[1:51:46] Voice 12: be afforded to me.

[1:51:48] Voice 12: Now, I have read SAP's report and spent a fair amount of time digging through the recent archives and was struck by a simple question.

[1:51:54] Voice 12: Why is my property subject to a Shoreline 6 rezoning requirement when other projects were issued permits directly?

[1:52:01] Voice 12: Has something changed?

[1:52:04] Voice 12: Are there new bylaws we should be aware of, ones enacted without public knowledge?

[1:52:08] Voice 12: And if not, if this has always been the case, why were I and other property owners who originally applied not informed of this rezoning requirement years ago?

[1:52:18] Voice 12: And I would like to ask staff, exactly that question, why is my property subject to a Shoreline 6 rezoning when other projects are issued, similar projects are issued, not permits directly?

[1:52:34] Voice 10: Sorry, you addressed the chair or not?

[1:52:37] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:52:39] Voice 26: Staff, any comment?

[1:52:41] Voice 26: comment?

[1:52:42] Voice 14: I think on this one, I may actually turn to the director if the director is amenable to it,

[1:52:47] Voice 14: as he's been a little more involved in some of the conversations that have led us to this place.

[1:52:56] Voice 28: I think it's a direct question that I have a challenge answering, not because there isn't

[1:53:01] Voice 28: a correct answer, but it's changed due to the interpretation of the bylaw since that.

[1:53:14] Voice 28: Since the interpretation by whom?

[1:53:15] Voice 28: over time you gave a timeline from 2022 forward and so the interpretation of the bylaw and when

[1:53:22] Voice 28: did that interpretation happen when

[1:53:24] Voice 12: did that change happen sorry again you asked him when

[1:53:29] Voice 12: that change happened yeah

[1:53:30] Voice 22: and and i just want to i just want to just clarify um this should all

[1:53:35] Voice 26: should be through deterrent and i also don't want to don't want to engage the big back and forth

[1:53:39] Voice 26: I'll go ahead and ask staff to answer that question.

[1:53:44] Voice 28: Yeah, so the change happened relatively recently, and it was based on further analysis.

[1:53:52] Voice 28: Yeah, I can't get too much into the detail why, but staff were assisted in that assessment,

[1:54:00] Voice 28: and it's been deemed to be the correct assessment, and it's been an error in the past,

[1:54:05] Voice 28: and so now it is the assessment going forward.

[1:54:09] Voice 28: Yeah

[1:54:11] Voice 26: I would also just add that although there's often an expectation of precedent as it is in,

[1:54:20] Voice 26: for example, the courts, that doesn't hold true for our processes. Each application is expected

[1:54:27] Voice 26: to be assessed and determined on its own merits and so I understand there's often that expectation

[1:54:35] Voice 26: interpretation, why this one and not this one. But in fact, precedent doesn't work the same way

[1:54:41] Voice 26: here.

[1:54:42] Voice 12: I would like just to say that we were never once informed that the interpretation had changed,

[1:54:46] Voice 12: that we were told a year ago in writing that there was a particular process that we had to follow.

[1:54:52] Voice 12: We did follow that process at great expense to comply with the bylaws. Now it seems arbitrary

[1:54:56] Voice 12: that a interpretation was made that varied from all past precedent and from the guidance that

[1:55:02] Voice 12: were given in writing and we were given no explanation for that i don't think that's fair

[1:55:07] Voice 12: or reasonable for an applicant to have to go through to comply with these bylaws is there

[1:55:12] Voice 12: any recourse well let me just continue actually and again you may ask the chair are you willing

[1:55:20] Voice 12: to ask the director for for extra explanations to how why and when that that uh bylaw or

[1:55:28] Voice 12: interpretation of that pilot occurred so we might be informed because we're flying blind here in

[1:55:33] Voice 12: in terms of why our application is being treated and so many other ones.

[1:55:36] Voice 12: And I think in this case, precedence does matter.

[1:55:38] Voice 12: There are rock walls beside our property.

[1:55:40] Voice 12: There's been other permits issued in other areas of this island, shoreline zone six.

[1:55:44] Voice 12: This seems almost like personal, where it seems like it's arbitrarily applied bylaws

[1:55:48] Voice 12: just because of some random interpretation that has changed without informing the public,

[1:55:53] Voice 12: without informing applicants or any sort of process that we were, any guidance that we

[1:55:57] Voice 12: were given.

[1:55:57] Voice 12: I want to also mention we were given no extra guidance on this, but should be part of the

[1:56:02] Voice 12: the collaborative process there's been no collaboration on this and so it's what are we

[1:56:06] Voice 12: as homeowners supposed to do if if interpretations get get decided in the background in camera

[1:56:13] Voice 12: perhaps but no public consultation no public information or explanation for that that doesn't

[1:56:18] Voice 12: seem fair and reasonable and i would ask the committee we should be applying standards that

[1:56:24] Voice 12: have been applied all the way up to this point rather than introducing seemingly arbitrary new

[1:56:28] Voice 12: interpretations but haven't gone through an appropriate process that would only seem fair

[1:56:32] Voice 12: especially considering that we've been doing this in good faith for multiple years trying to get

[1:56:36] Voice 12: this built and comply with the bylaws in the most reasonable way possible both faith and trying to

[1:56:42] Voice 12: be good citizens good members rather than just going ahead like isabella pointed just went and

[1:56:46] Voice 12: built built a rock wall a rock retaining wall didn't ask for permission at first and then only

[1:56:51] Voice 12: sought it afterwards and yet they get approved i don't think that sets the appropriate tone for

[1:56:56] Voice 12: or guidance or moral compass for other community members

[1:57:00] Voice 12: in on Salt Spring Island.

[1:57:01] Voice 12: We want people to be able to know

[1:57:03] Voice 12: that the process is fair and transparent.

[1:57:05] Voice 12: And that when you do apply for something,

[1:57:07] Voice 12: you know that the guidelines will be the same

[1:57:08] Voice 12: for all the people, everybody else.

[1:57:10] Voice 12: And it won't be changed arbitrarily

[1:57:12] Voice 12: at any point in the process.

[1:57:14] Voice 12: You should be able to just follow what staff says

[1:57:16] Voice 12: and what the bylaws say.

[1:57:18] Voice 12: At this point, it just seems like staff

[1:57:20] Voice 12: are changing the goalposts arbitrarily

[1:57:22] Voice 12: without proper consultation or information.

[1:57:24] Voice 12: And we can't allow that to happen.

[1:57:26] Voice 12: and I think like in this case we've been at this process for so long I think it's only fair and

[1:57:30] Voice 12: reasonable to bring these development permits and the variance permit up as the entire history here

[1:57:35] Voice 12: and staff's guidance had led us to this point and act on that if staff wants to change or LTC wants

[1:57:41] Voice 12: to change some of the zoning or permitting in the future that might be another matter but at the

[1:57:45] Voice 12: moment it seems like we should go ahead with the development permit and development variance permit

[1:57:51] Voice 12: it as was set out by staff originally and not change this process arbitrarily and in that

[1:57:56] Voice 12: regard so let me just first say is that something you'd like to address the staff or should anyone

[1:58:02] Voice 26: well i i can hear that you're frustrated and uh we have a staff opportunity to add if you have

[1:58:07] Voice 26: anything to add and then we'll adjust well

[1:58:11] Voice 27: i think i

[1:58:12] Trustee Patrick: want you to understand the staff report that we

[1:58:19] Trustee Patrick: we have before us is the same,

[1:58:21] Trustee Patrick: that this is how we receive information staff report.

[1:58:25] Trustee Patrick: There has been no collaboration

[1:58:28] Trustee Patrick: of the local trust committee and staff

[1:58:30] Trustee Patrick: to come up with an interpretation.

[1:58:32] Trustee Patrick: We are faced with the same interpretation

[1:58:34] Trustee Patrick: that you're reacting to at the moment.

[1:58:38] Trustee Patrick: And we will be having dialogue and discussion soon

[1:58:41] Trustee Patrick: on this side of the table.

[1:58:43] Trustee Patrick: So that's the process in which interpretation

[1:58:48] Trustee Patrick: is shared with us through staff reports,

[1:58:50] Trustee Patrick: and we will be taking that information

[1:58:52] Trustee Patrick: and having a conversation as an elected body

[1:58:56] Trustee Patrick: in a little bit.

[1:58:59] Voice 26: Yeah, I appreciate that point, Justice Patrick.

[1:59:04] Voice 26: We received a staff report relatively shortly

[1:59:12] Voice 26: before the meeting, and we have had,

[1:59:16] Voice 26: of this reiterate was we have not had conversations with staff around this outside of public meetings

[1:59:24] Voice 26: so our our um access to the information we needed a little bit before it's uh publicly

[1:59:31] Voice 26: um published just to to review the agenda um but we have had no we have had no back and field so

[1:59:39] Voice 26: So as far as some of your questions go, we don't have any answers on that because we

[1:59:47] Voice 26: haven't had those discussions outside of public meetings.

[1:59:51] Voice 26: Just that's important to get there.

[1:59:54] Voice 26: And I'll just give the director, if you had anything of those that you wanted to address.

[2:00:00] Voice 26: and if not we'll move on i

[2:00:02] Voice 28: don't think i can address anything other than how i said it already

[2:00:06] Voice 28: i know it feels um what word you used um you know basically you're saying it's unfair and the timing

[2:00:14] Voice 28: of it all and it's very unfortunate it's not a punitive measure by any means um but when staff

[2:00:19] Voice 28: do an assessment we realize that it's the correct assessment and we realize that it has a legal

[2:00:23] Voice 28: requirement to it you cannot undo that legal assessment and so we have to go forward with

[2:00:30] Voice 28: with that interpretation.

[2:00:32] Voice 28: Some of the details I think that provided about timelines

[2:00:34] Voice 28: for this kind of application are a bit off,

[2:00:36] Voice 28: as well as, you know, understanding the details

[2:00:38] Voice 28: of the engineering drawings about showing exactly

[2:00:41] Voice 28: where the present natural boundary was known to us

[2:00:44] Voice 28: only after the application and materials received.

[2:00:47] Voice 28: So I think it's a bit of a misperception to say

[2:00:49] Voice 28: we knew all the details and gave you all the guidelines

[2:00:52] Voice 28: in a certain way.

[2:00:53] Voice 28: But that being said, we got the information,

[2:00:55] Voice 28: once we were able to interpret it,

[2:00:56] Voice 28: we gave you an assessment and we stand by it.

[2:01:03] Voice 12: I would like to just request, before I continue, that you, that the committee here ask the staff at the next meeting, for the next LTC meeting, to provide a DP and DPP permit, as they should have done at this, for this, for this session.

[2:01:20] Voice 12: You know, if I'm going to move on, I won't take too much more of your time.

[2:01:28] Voice 12: My circumstances aside, right, the situation raises a broader question of public policy.

[2:01:34] Voice 12: see. Shoreline protection is too important to be handled without a consistent framework. A

[2:01:39] Voice 12: standardized, predictable, and fair approach should be the minimum standard for both an

[2:01:43] Voice 12: ecological and a human point of view. Universal shoreline protection with all the areas from the

[2:01:48] Voice 12: trust is long past due. A model that has also been successfully incorporated in San Juan Islands and

[2:01:55] Voice 12: other areas, we need to be adopting something like that here because it's patently unfair and

[2:01:59] Voice 12: unreasonable that we have so many different shoreline sections,

[2:02:03] Voice 12: shoreline zones, so many different policies that affect it.

[2:02:06] Voice 12: It puts homeowners like us at such a disadvantage and the costs required to

[2:02:09] Voice 12: do that are so onerous, right?

[2:02:11] Voice 12: And then we're back into processes like this that feel confrontational and

[2:02:14] Voice 12: adversarial rather than collaborative.

[2:02:16] Voice 12: And what we need to be protecting shorelines,

[2:02:18] Voice 12: addressing the needs of climate change and the problems that climate change

[2:02:21] Voice 12: poses to us.

[2:02:22] Voice 12: And we can't be mired for multiple, multiple years.

[2:02:24] Voice 12: Because when this project gets eventually gets built,

[2:02:27] Voice 12: if it's going to be six, seven, eight years

[2:02:28] Voice 12: after we first started.

[2:02:29] Voice 12: Climate change isn't just going to wait around for us

[2:02:31] Voice 12: to figure out our policies.

[2:02:32] Voice 12: We need to be more proactive and innovative

[2:02:34] Voice 12: on these solutions that are our paths forward.

[2:02:37] Voice 12: Universal shoreline protection is one of those, right?

[2:02:39] Voice 12: And I think like a proper shoreline protection framework

[2:02:43] Voice 12: must balance multiple public interests,

[2:02:45] Voice 12: needs to protect the safety of homeowners

[2:02:47] Voice 12: and the public who use the beaches.

[2:02:49] Voice 12: It must address ecological concerns,

[2:02:51] Voice 12: including the protection of fish and wildlife habitat,

[2:02:53] Voice 12: the preservation of natural coastal processes

[2:02:55] Voice 12: and the maintenance of biodiversity in near shore zones, right?

[2:02:59] Voice 12: These are not competing interests.

[2:03:01] Voice 12: They're merely complementary goals that a well-designed framework can achieve together.

[2:03:04] Voice 12: The trust also has a unique opportunity to work collaboratively with First Nations

[2:03:08] Voice 12: in the stewardship of our shorelines, and the Islands Trust was founded in part

[2:03:12] Voice 12: to honour the qualities that sustained and connected the region's First Nations

[2:03:15] Voice 12: to the lands and their waters.

[2:03:17] Voice 12: A shoreline protection framework developed with and incorporating Indigenous knowledge,

[2:03:21] Voice 12: interests, and perspectives would not only be more effective ecologically,

[2:03:25] Voice 12: leave would also reflect a genuine commitment to shared stewardship and i would say on that point

[2:03:29] Voice 12: like our we reached out to first nations group starting in 2022 and started that consultation

[2:03:34] Voice 12: period really early and did the best that we could under the framework that we were provided

[2:03:39] Voice 12: i think having a clear guidance for what people individuals and residents should be doing that

[2:03:44] Voice 12: rather than leaving reconciliation and leaving these matters just to us flying blind into that

[2:03:49] Voice 12: process seems also again unfair and unreasonable we want to be successful in incorporating

[2:03:53] Voice 12: incorporating Aboriginal affairs and concerns into our policy frameworks I mentioned that I

[2:03:58] Voice 12: think it's a serious concern of just leaving us as homeowners without the support and guidance

[2:04:03] Voice 12: needed I think really puts us in a bad position that we've seen throughout this entire process

[2:04:07] Voice 12: when at the beginning we've met again since before we even started the application we started to

[2:04:11] Voice 12: reach out to First Nations groups right um we're again we're not the First Nation First Jurisdiction

[2:04:19] Voice 12: to face these challenges others have found similar sensible paths forward and I think it's time that

[2:04:24] Voice 12: we did the same the shorelines to define these islands do not belong to any one of us but they

[2:04:29] Voice 12: are a responsibility of all of us a universal framework it's not just about the permits and

[2:04:33] Voice 12: processes it's about honoring that responsibility for generations that will work and walk these

[2:04:37] Voice 12: beaches long after we are gone right we have the knowledge the examples and the shared interest

[2:04:43] Voice 12: what we have lacked is the will and let this be hopefully going forward a moment that can help

[2:04:48] Voice 12: change that now or just help us find a path forward here that isn't going to be just mired

[2:04:54] Voice 12: again in more bureaucracy and more arbitrary changing of the rules and bylaws right because

[2:04:59] Voice 12: what that does is just harms people like us and our goodwill in the community i think on a personal

[2:05:03] Voice 12: note when the last process that we were involved in was quite harmful because staff guided us in

[2:05:09] Voice 12: one direction didn't communicate to us whatsoever well i don't say whatsoever almost no communication

[2:05:14] Voice 12: communication and as people were screaming at us to change our project, we had no communication

[2:05:19] Voice 12: with the trust as to what we were supposed to be doing to change that. So we had to go through the

[2:05:24] Voice 12: court case and I'm finding the same problem here. We need to be working collaboratively more

[2:05:28] Voice 12: appropriately together. Otherwise it drains the goodwill that people have and this community

[2:05:32] Voice 12: divides us. And I want also to say that all of our neighbours collectively did the last project

[2:05:37] Voice 12: and we came together as a group to do that project as Islands

[2:05:40] Voice 12: Trust had asked us to. But we found by

[2:05:42] Voice 12: the end of the process when people were vilifying us in the papers and the newspapers on facebook

[2:05:46] Voice 12: and whatnot they started to divide a whole bunch of people in that community and it's only very

[2:05:50] Voice 12: recently have we been able to mend those bridges or amend the divides that were are we were already

[2:05:57] Voice 12: in we're such a wonderful neighborhood to begin with and that process divided so many

[2:06:03] Voice 12: only i guess only very recently have like people come back and have seen like

[2:06:08] Voice 12: the process how it was handled so poorly and i think that's just a microcosm of the community

[2:06:13] Voice 12: the way that the process and the trust is working at the moment divides people and pushes us further

[2:06:18] Voice 12: apart when we need more than ever to be coming closer together and working together to solve

[2:06:22] Voice 12: these big issues instead of getting mired down in these problems so we need a path forward i don't

[2:06:28] Voice 12: know what that is in terms of directly in regards to this aside from the dvdbp because we keep

[2:06:33] Voice 12: getting road blocked we need i mean are you asking for your assistance to our council today to work

[2:06:39] Voice 12: with us to try to find us a viable reasonable fast path forward that meets the bylaws and meets the

[2:06:46] Voice 12: other concerns and considerations that are raised thank

[2:06:49] Voice 27: you uh sorry

[2:06:51] Voice 14: just real quick chair it's been

[2:06:53] Voice 14: brought to my attention that the landowners the official applicant and agent on the file would

[2:06:58] Voice 14: like the opportunity to speak as well on that serena claver she's a professional planner i

[2:07:01] Voice 14: believe she's online online

[2:07:03] Voice 26: joining us okay um go ahead then thank

[2:07:07] Voice 3: you jason and thank you um ltc

[2:07:10] Voice 3: yes uh serena claver uh registered professional planner um the consultant acting on behalf of

[2:07:18] Voice 3: the applicant ethan wilding who just spoke um i won't go in a significant length uh to speak

[2:07:26] Voice 3: because I did submit a piece of correspondence which was item number 9.5. Ethan did speak to

[2:07:33] Voice 3: very similar points. I guess what I would really like to add and stress you know I've been a

[2:07:41] Voice 3: professional planner now for a decade. My very first job was with the Islands Trust on Salt

[2:07:46] Voice 3: Spring. I know a number of you are familiar with that. I have definitely seen and worked through

[2:07:53] Voice 3: many different planning scenarios in the private public sector over the last decade.

[2:07:58] Voice 3: Interpretation is obviously one that is a constant struggle in our field, and for varying

[2:08:05] Voice 3: different reasons.

[2:08:06] Voice 3: One piece that I think is really pertinent is, number one, yes, staff, and I understand

[2:08:13] Voice 3: sometimes there can be change in interpretation, but staff did share a certain direction for

[2:08:18] Voice 3: a DP, DVP, and so we took that course.

[2:08:21] Voice 3: We also have seen different scenarios where that has been carried forward and approved under that same scenario as Ethan has highlighted, so various different properties, but also at the time of submission and acceptance and opening of the application.

[2:08:38] Voice 3: I've seen and I actually currently work in local government with another municipality or local

[2:08:44] Voice 3: government and there is a very systematic process for reviewing an application when it comes in

[2:08:52] Voice 3: and one of that is to make sure it meets the zoning requirements and so if there was an

[2:09:00] Voice 3: interpretation change from a db dbp for what we're proposing that had to have occurred at some point

[2:09:07] Voice 3: There is substantial conversation that happens internally with staff. Why wasn't that considered at time of the application submission? Why did that take four months for staff's very first comment back to us after I reached out almost weekly or biweekly at a respectful pace, asking for a phone call, asking for a meeting, asking for a site visit, asking for a conversation?

[2:09:32] Voice 3: compensation, the very first point of review, say, we suggest that you withdraw your application.

[2:09:40] Voice 3: That is just something that is due process and really unreasonable. And in my opinion, as I

[2:09:45] Voice 3: may note publicly, that's poor planning. You know, there should be a better protocol from the very

[2:09:51] Voice 3: onset. And so I just like respectfully, there needs to be some element of responsibility taken

[2:09:58] Voice 3: can of versus the onus being put on to the property owner to fix the problem and so you know

[2:10:05] Voice 3: the LTC does have the ability to work with staff to initiate you know rectifying how the application

[2:10:12] Voice 3: should proceed forward if there is legislative requirements like a rezoning that is required

[2:10:17] Voice 3: I respect that I'm a planner I abide by the ethics and integrity of the profession

[2:10:23] Voice 3: profession. But I can say professionally that this has been unreasonable. And so, yeah, I think

[2:10:32] Voice 3: as staff in the LTC that there needs to be an onus put on each of you to support property owners

[2:10:38] Voice 3: through these processes better. So that's all I'd like to say, but I think it is worthwhile

[2:10:45] Voice 3: acknowledging.

[2:10:49] Voice 26: Thank you for your comments. Could you just put your hand down for me?

[2:10:54] Voice 26: things appreciate that okay um maybe more staff no it's not uh

[2:11:03] Voice 28: just one comment um the repeated

[2:11:06] Voice 28: use of the term arbitrary it's not arbitrary right now

[2:11:10] Voice 12: can i comment on that and

[2:11:14] Voice 26: first briefly

[2:11:15] Voice 26: i'd rather we don't go back and forth on on that i think i think we've heard you

[2:11:21] Voice 26: for uh labor there and uh appreciate that i'd like to get into um debate the question from

[2:11:31] Voice 26: trustees that's fine you have any initial thoughts you'd like to share i i have one that i that i

[2:11:41] Voice 26: don't mind sharing um just to kick us off uh i know that on page 56 of the agenda um there's a

[2:11:49] Voice 26: note regarding that the LTC may wish to direct staff to notify First Nations that previously

[2:11:58] Voice 26: expressed an interest in this file of any decisions or future meetings where the matter

[2:12:03] Voice 26: would be considered. We did hear earlier from Councillor Frenelick of First Nations,

[2:12:11] Voice 26: But I think that this is, to me, this is a really important piece that First Nations

[2:12:20] Voice 26: that have expressed the interest are kept in the loop to the extent possible.

[2:12:25] Voice 26: So I'm certainly considering that regardless of the outcome of any of the other deliberations

[2:12:34] Voice 26: that that's worthy of direction on that piece, because I think that's really important.

[2:12:42] Voice 26: First

[2:12:43] Trustee Patrick: of all, I want to thank you for doing the right thing

[2:12:48] Trustee Patrick: and applying for the permits

[2:12:50] Trustee Patrick: before taking the matter into account.

[2:12:52] Trustee Patrick: I'll admit that the fuel erosion protection structure applications that I've been involved

[2:12:59] Trustee Patrick: were all permissions after the fact.

[2:13:02] Trustee Patrick: The walls were built by law enforcement and we were inactive.

[2:13:07] Trustee Patrick: This is the only application in my experience here at the Owens Trust that has been before

[2:13:13] Trustee Patrick: it's built and so it does say a lot about why, why does that happen and that's something

[2:13:25] Trustee Patrick: as the elected body that do care about that is not good process, that is not what's intended.

[2:13:32] Trustee Patrick: and I also thank you for coming back with a new approach for the project I think there was a lot

[2:13:43] Trustee Patrick: we learned the first one we all did yeah the idea of the islands trust is that it you know it isn't

[2:13:54] Trustee Patrick: generally isn't convenient for for applicants but that's because we're supposed to be putting

[2:13:59] Trustee Patrick: the effort to make sure that the places that are entrusted to us are protected and cared for.

[2:14:07] Trustee Patrick: But our goal should also be that we do need to make our processes more predictable,

[2:14:14] Trustee Patrick: more transparent, more efficient, while retaining the scrutiny and environmental protections that

[2:14:21] Trustee Patrick: that we do.

[2:14:23] Trustee Patrick: And I do understand staff are looking at how, you know,

[2:14:26] Trustee Patrick: lessons learned from this process overall,

[2:14:29] Trustee Patrick: and we'll be implementing improvements as they go along.

[2:14:38] Trustee Patrick: Those who know me, oh, I'm a read-a-holic.

[2:14:40] Trustee Patrick: When I knew this application was coming,

[2:14:43] Trustee Patrick: I went and read all the bylaws again,

[2:14:47] Trustee Patrick: all of it again, and traced all the things.

[2:14:50] Trustee Patrick: I found that same and remember that same 1922,

[2:14:57] Trustee Patrick: is it 1922?

[2:14:57] Trustee Patrick: 2020, good boy, 1922, I should put it back there.

[2:15:05] Trustee Patrick: But I found that and I was frustrated.

[2:15:10] Trustee Patrick: So that's the decision I made per staff advice at the time

[2:15:15] Trustee Patrick: to issue those permits on exactly the same zoning

[2:15:21] Trustee Patrick: um that existed for a wall that was 100 off the property um so um you know that made me dig deeper

[2:15:29] Trustee Patrick: so i i was questioning too it's like okay made that decision then uh what's the difference today

[2:15:37] Trustee Patrick: and so i'm not going to go i've got pages and pages of writing through the analysis of the

[2:15:44] Trustee Patrick: questions and and and follow through the same thing we've got the same challenges where we

[2:15:49] Trustee Patrick: We've got a definition of a development in our OCP,

[2:15:53] Trustee Patrick: no definition in our land use bylaw.

[2:15:56] Trustee Patrick: These are not good process.

[2:16:01] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's what our overall OCP land use bylaw project is working

[2:16:06] Trustee Patrick: toward correcting where we have poor process.

[2:16:11] Trustee Patrick: Definitions don't belong in the OCP.

[2:16:13] Trustee Patrick: They belong in the land use bylaw.

[2:16:15] Trustee Patrick: And there's all these other things that we're working for from a process

[2:16:19] Trustee Patrick: perspective.

[2:16:19] Trustee Patrick: So your comments on process are correct.

[2:16:26] Trustee Patrick: There's work to be done and things to improve.

[2:16:28] Trustee Patrick: However, we got your application before us today,

[2:16:32] Trustee Patrick: and that's what we're trying to focus on absolutely.

[2:16:35] Trustee Patrick: We're all supporting process improvements from the political side,

[2:16:40] Trustee Patrick: because those are the things we get hit with on the elected side,

[2:16:45] Trustee Patrick: as it's appropriate.

[2:16:47] Trustee Patrick: appropriate. I took and spent a lot of time, so staff and I opened today with a whole conversation

[2:17:00] Trustee Patrick: about evolving interpretations of the effect of accessory dwelling units. Because the words

[2:17:08] Trustee Patrick: have infected me on that whole issue of accessory dwelling units. I understand it occurs. Don't

[2:17:20] Trustee Patrick: don't always like it, but I mean, it is, we are learning.

[2:17:24] Trustee Patrick: So from an elected official, I did look at it.

[2:17:27] Trustee Patrick: I reread everything again,

[2:17:29] Trustee Patrick: knowing that I can see how that interpretation was made

[2:17:32] Trustee Patrick: by staff.

[2:17:35] Trustee Patrick: It makes me raise questions.

[2:17:39] Trustee Patrick: And I do have questions for staff

[2:17:45] Trustee Patrick: because I don't feel the staff report necessarily brings

[2:17:48] Trustee Patrick: and connects all those dots as to,

[2:17:51] Trustee Patrick: you know, the distinct pieces that we have, setback and the variance. We have the development

[2:17:59] Trustee Patrick: permit area. And what was the third one? DPA, that, and then, well, the DPA-3.

[2:18:11] Trustee Patrick: That's the third one. Anyway, I've got to read my notes. It's always the problem here.

[2:18:19] Trustee Patrick: So I do have some questions as to understanding how this new step now is defined.

[2:18:39] Trustee Patrick: But I also, at the same time, and I'm glad you brought it up, is the overall processes.

[2:18:51] Trustee Patrick: This is not just you. We received and had in our executive package yesterday correspondence we got from a Board of Variants member from North Pender, who had received an erosion protection application through the Board of Variants.

[2:19:10] Trustee Patrick: and he was like this just doesn't make sense you know why is a group of border variants people

[2:19:15] Trustee Patrick: sitting here getting engineering reports of all of these things on erosion protectionism

[2:19:20] Trustee Patrick: isn't there a better way forward um sea level rise is coming we need to have a better

[2:19:27] Trustee Patrick: path and i responded back to him wholeheartedly agreeing identified an important challenge that

[2:19:34] Trustee Patrick: extends well beyond any single application in the local trust area, as climate change

[2:19:39] Trustee Patrick: and sea level rise and coastal erosion and geotechnical hazards continue to affect our

[2:19:43] Trustee Patrick: shorelines, that it's becoming increasingly important that the Islands Trust considers

[2:19:47] Trustee Patrick: these issues through a coordinated trust area-wide lens rather than through a patchwork

[2:19:53] Trustee Patrick: of individual bylaws and policies developed in many years.

[2:19:56] Trustee Patrick: Earlier, we had a contractor that builds docks that is hoping that we address an issue there.

[2:20:03] Trustee Patrick: They have 21 different sets of rules that they are trying to build docks to in our islands.

[2:20:10] Trustee Patrick: And when I mentioned, should we have a coordinated approach, they were like, yes, please.

[2:20:17] Trustee Patrick: And so it's time.

[2:20:19] Trustee Patrick: It's beyond time.

[2:20:20] Trustee Patrick: All of the reasons that you've identified, when we talk about reconciliations, is truly where we can work cooperatively for a better outcome of the way we go.

[2:20:31] Trustee Patrick: So that's a separate issue.

[2:20:34] Trustee Patrick: I'm continuing to lobby hard staff and more senior staff that's not even in this room,

[2:20:42] Trustee Patrick: that when the new trust council gets put forward, brought together,

[2:20:46] Trustee Patrick: that they need to see the value of the federation and the abilities here to really take that on.

[2:20:54] Trustee Patrick: on or take that on.

[2:20:57] Trustee Patrick: But in the first place, so in regard to your application,

[2:21:04] Trustee Patrick: I do have some questions.

[2:21:06] Trustee Patrick: How the S6 zoning in the section 4.4 setback in the DPA

[2:21:12] Trustee Patrick: kind of all apply, the legal and policy basis

[2:21:15] Trustee Patrick: for the conclusions in the staff report,

[2:21:18] Trustee Patrick: and the relationship between the natural boundary,

[2:21:20] Trustee Patrick: the property boundaries, the zoning boundaries,

[2:21:23] Trustee Patrick: and the proposed revetiment,

[2:21:25] Trustee Patrick: and what we can learn from previous application approval

[2:21:31] Trustee Patrick: as it relates to kind of going forward.

[2:21:37] Trustee Patrick: And because I think that that interpretation matters,

[2:21:42] Trustee Patrick: the rules we have in the books today are what we have.

[2:21:46] Trustee Patrick: There could be other projects coming under these rules.

[2:21:48] Trustee Patrick: So we do need to understand

[2:21:51] Trustee Patrick: how this interpretation has evolved, what does it mean to these things that exist today.

[2:21:59] Trustee Patrick: And then secondly, I'm really encouraging staff to take a broader view as we go forward. Not set

[2:22:06] Trustee Patrick: new rules for your application, but that is the way to go forward. So let's deal with this,

[2:22:15] Trustee Patrick: we deal with it well that's

[2:22:19] Voice 20: my comments right now

[2:22:23] Voice 26: the craft of adult which is always fun um

[2:22:27] Voice 26: take a minute to

[2:22:29] Voice 25: get back to and

[2:22:34] Voice 21: determine computers they wear out yeah

[2:22:43] Voice 26: very brief follow-up i think certainly i appreciate

[2:22:46] Voice 12: everything that you're saying

[2:22:48] Voice 12: code agreement um i think like we're just as a personal side we're not asking for new

[2:22:53] Voice 12: new rules, we're asking just for the rules that were in place and the interpretation

[2:22:57] Voice 12: that was in place when staff accepted our application, took the fee for it.

[2:23:03] Voice 12: One possible element here, because as Serena had mentioned, that was the interpretation

[2:23:08] Voice 12: when they did it, that's why we were building up this project, that's all the information

[2:23:13] Voice 12: that we were, the guide that they had given us, and that seems to me like exactly the

[2:23:19] Voice 12: kind of conditions that we should have been evaluated on, rather than some interpretation

[2:23:22] Voice 12: that came on after the fact, much later than soon.

[2:23:32] Voice 22: Yeah, and I just wanted to make a comment,

[2:23:36] Voice 22: which is that, again,

[2:23:39] Voice 26: I understand

[2:23:41] Voice 26: there's quite a level of frustration.

[2:23:44] Voice 26: I understand why the ground is in the process.

[2:23:49] Voice 26: I also think, as a decision-maker,

[2:23:57] Voice 26: that we now have staff advice in front of us which we can we can choose to take we can also

[2:24:06] Voice 26: choose not to take but I just wanted to just wanted to comment that there is risk for your

[2:24:17] Voice 26: application in my view uh if we proceed without um taking serious account of the advice from staff

[2:24:28] Voice 26: and and that's that's something that is a concern to me as a decision maker um is staff are are

[2:24:39] Voice 26: are suggesting that the appropriate approach here

[2:24:48] Voice 26: is a rezoning and I know that you would like us

[2:24:55] Voice 26: to proceed with the applications that are for us.

[2:24:58] Voice 26: So, but I do recognize my perspective is that,

[2:25:05] Voice 26: that there may be a risk to your project

[2:25:08] Voice 26: if we don't take staff advice quite seriously.

[2:25:15] Voice 26: So I just wanted to say that that's one of the considerations

[2:25:19] Voice 26: that concerns me as we have this discussion.

[2:25:25] Voice 26: Other pieces, I'll leave.

[2:25:30] Voice 26: I'm not going to get into that.

[2:25:35] Trustee

[2:25:37] Voice 26: Patrick, can you start?

[2:25:38] Trustee Patrick: No, I understand your question, but as elected officials,

[2:25:42] Trustee Patrick: We are not privy of the conversations that you have between staff and the applicant up until the day that we receive the fact.

[2:25:52] Trustee Patrick: That's how the process works.

[2:25:55] Trustee Patrick: So for our decision-making on the day of, we'd have to take the staff report as one of the pieces of information that we have to bring to the table.

[2:26:07] Trustee Patrick: and I said I was equally surprised by a new interpretation from something that I had seen

[2:26:15] Trustee Patrick: before but I can

[2:26:17] Trustee Patrick: also understand how they got to it that's so I'm not sitting here I don't

[2:26:21] Trustee Patrick: understand how they made that interpretation I have been able back and forth did we make a mistake

[2:26:27] Trustee Patrick: on the 2022 application or you know or not what does that mean and that's certainly something I

[2:26:35] Trustee Patrick: would hope is part of process we're looking at if we make a mistake. So right now, I have no,

[2:26:46] Trustee Patrick: I can understand their interpretation. I understand it's late in the game and the

[2:26:52] Trustee Patrick: process questions that you're raising completely valid. But from a decision-making point now,

[2:27:00] Trustee Patrick: I go, well, this really, so it brings us back to our current regulations aren't working.

[2:27:05] Trustee Patrick: is really where you come to because is it reasonable i think serena asked that question

[2:27:12] Trustee Patrick: in her own correspondence is reasonable so every one of our property now has to rezone to to do

[2:27:17] Trustee Patrick: this work i'd say no that's not a reasonable approach the regulations or decisions that we

[2:27:23] Trustee Patrick: should have what circumstances allow you to have the consideration of a erosion protection on your

[2:27:33] Trustee Patrick: property should be known clear established and understandable by applicants on the various

[2:27:42] Trustee Patrick: soft shores hard shores all you know all the types of shorelines that we have in these islands

[2:27:48] Trustee Patrick: and so you know the current process that our current regulations i i know are horrendously

[2:27:55] Trustee Patrick: up to date i'm the chair of gambier island which is introducing shoreline protection for the first

[2:28:02] Trustee Patrick: time they have right now zero you can build any dock size you want you can cut every tree on your

[2:28:09] Trustee Patrick: property right down pin the pin the pin the pin on gambier island legally today and um yeah i was

[2:28:16] Trustee Patrick: shocked no protection um all right they're proposing a 30 meter setback which is considered

[2:28:23] Trustee Patrick: the not setback sorry um development permit area buffer area which is considered best practices

[2:28:30] Trustee Patrick: since that is closer to what they have in San Juan's.

[2:28:33] Trustee Patrick: They're, I forget how many feet, 100 feet,

[2:28:36] Trustee Patrick: or whatever they are, 110 feet, but they have none too.

[2:28:42] Trustee Patrick: Ours is 10 meters, so it's not meeting

[2:28:45] Trustee Patrick: the 30 meter buffer that's best practices.

[2:28:49] Trustee Patrick: We have zero cultural protection in our development permit.

[2:28:53] Trustee Patrick: Again, not meeting best practices today.

[2:28:56] Trustee Patrick: So I can go through our current development permit area,

[2:28:59] Trustee Patrick: especially if you compare it to what they're proposing today at Gambier and go, wow, these

[2:29:05] Trustee Patrick: are two distinctly different documents.

[2:29:08] Trustee Patrick: I don't think either of these solutions are correct, except if Gambier is going to have

[2:29:14] Trustee Patrick: a hard push uphill to bring in new regulations, again, if we have a federation doing this

[2:29:20] Trustee Patrick: work, we stand together to bring this work in rather than leaving a trustee here or there

[2:29:25] Trustee Patrick: to defend bringing in stronger newer protections for shorelines and a reasonable approach that can

[2:29:33] Trustee Patrick: make sense because you know we are seeing significant changes on some of the islands

[2:29:41] Trustee Patrick: um in particular some are having significant improvement and in highly you know

[2:29:49] Trustee Patrick: archaeological sites that we're seeing eroding away so it's you know it's combination of some

[2:29:56] Trustee Patrick: some of these challenges are, are, are hard. So, um,

[2:30:00] Trustee Patrick: Like I said, I have some questions that I think need to be answered for this application at the same time as pushing for a whole new approach.

[2:30:22] Voice 27: Are you going to pose questions?

[2:30:24] Trustee Patrick: Well, I don't. Yeah, I guess, you know, so it's trying to understand, like I said, the S6 zoning section 4.4 setback.

[2:30:38] Trustee Patrick: and the DPA-3, how the three of these things are flying together

[2:30:47] Trustee Patrick: and the legal and policy basis for the conclusions for the

[2:31:00] Voice 18: rezoning in the S6.

[2:31:03] Voice 18: I think that needs to be drawn more clearly.

[2:31:07] Voice 18: I could find it by reading

[2:31:14] Trustee Patrick: myself, but the report doesn't really, I think it warrants

[2:31:19] Trustee Patrick: a bit more description.

[2:31:21] Voice 20: So

[2:31:30] Voice 27: you have the land use by-law?

[2:31:51] Voice 27: That's a big time.

[2:31:53] Voice 27: All right.

[2:32:16] Voice 27: I do have the land use by-law open if there's

[2:32:24] Voice 14: a specific question, I guess that, I mean,

[2:32:26] Voice 14: the basis of the interpretation about what sort of uses buildings and structures are

[2:32:33] Voice 14: permitted in the shoreline six zone. One can find that in section 9.11.1 of the land use bylaw

[2:32:42] Voice 14: and clause one of that section says that in addition to the uses permitted in subsection

[2:32:48] Voice 14: 3.11 of the bylaw, which is the section that sets out uses that are permitted in all zones,

[2:32:54] Voice 14: the following accessory uses, buildings and structures and no others are permitted in the

[2:33:00] Voice 14: shoreline zones indicated. Then if you go to the column for S6, it lists four permitted uses and

[2:33:09] Voice 14: structures. Those are navigational uses, geothermal heating in tidal waters, private floats and buoys

[2:33:15] Voice 14: for non-commercial boat moorage, and private docks and floats for non-commercial boat wharfage

[2:33:20] Voice 14: accessory to a permitted use on the adjacent upland. Those are the uses that the land use

[2:33:26] Voice 14: by law specifies as being permitted in that zone and if another use or another type of structure

[2:33:34] Voice 14: is permitted in that zone or is is proposed for that zone and it's not in that list of

[2:33:39] Voice 14: the four permitted things then it is not allowed to be in that zone is the basis for the

[2:33:45] Voice 14: interpretation i

[2:33:49] Voice 12: might say my neglected to include in the um report here my lawyer's letter addressing

[2:33:55] Voice 12: that exact clause claiming that what they're claiming right now doesn't actually hold.

[2:34:00] Voice 12: So if they'd like to read or reference my lawyer's letter, that would be appreciated

[2:34:05] Voice 12: for the justification of the justification they're using for 9.1, 1.1.

[2:34:12] Voice 12: We challenge that and never actually, the staff didn't ever address my counsel's report

[2:34:19] Voice 12: and concerns with their interpretation of 9.1, 11.1.

[2:34:46] Voice 14: Sorry, if the chair is looking for that piece of correspondence, it's not included

[2:34:50] Voice 14: it in the agenda nor

[2:34:51] Voice 14: am I familiar with

[2:34:52] Voice 26: it. I don't think that letter was included in this

[2:34:56] Voice 26: paper that's what I'm saying it's not included whereas it should have been

[2:34:59] Voice 26: you were to be making it fully important to say that there's further questions.

[2:35:21] Voice 20: Well I

[2:35:22] Trustee Patrick: mean it's just like I said I you can read through these things I mean I can

[2:35:28] Trustee Patrick: I can, that's what I hear, how that's read, that's how it would be read.

[2:35:34] Trustee Patrick: I understand the use.

[2:35:40] Trustee Patrick: However, we've got these other pieces that overlap, like Development Permit 3 does overlap.

[2:35:53] Trustee Patrick: So we've got these overlapping things, setbacks, Development Permit areas.

[2:36:01] Trustee Patrick: um and then shoreline six starting up so they're they're all overlapping and they

[2:36:10] Trustee Patrick: they do have different each one of those things has its own set of what it allows doesn't allow

[2:36:20] Trustee Patrick: um and i think that's where um so i i've read them all i understand the various pieces but i think

[2:36:30] Trustee Patrick: I think from a staff

[2:36:33] Trustee Patrick: reporting perspective

[2:36:34] Trustee Patrick: I think the report could lay those out

[2:36:37] Trustee Patrick: better and

[2:36:40] Trustee Patrick: draw the reader

[2:36:41] Trustee Patrick: to those

[2:36:42] Trustee Patrick: to those

[2:36:44] Trustee Patrick: I think it helps

[2:36:46] Trustee Patrick: to verify why

[2:36:50] Trustee Patrick: we need to update things

[2:36:51] Trustee Patrick: when we have

[2:36:51] Trustee Patrick: all these

[2:36:54] Trustee Patrick: it's amazing our development

[2:36:55] Trustee Patrick: permit area is less than our

[2:36:57] Trustee Patrick: setback

[2:36:58] Trustee Patrick: back. But that's what it is. So you've got 15 meters up back, 10 meter development permit

[2:37:05] Trustee Patrick: area, 30. So 30 meters out. And then shoreline six coming in here, and then your rural residential

[2:37:17] Trustee Patrick: up here. So there's all this stuff. And maybe I'm a picture person and I like to see it

[2:37:23] Trustee Patrick: it drawn out, and if S6 is interpretation,

[2:37:32] Trustee Patrick: then this simply cannot be a structure that

[2:37:34] Trustee Patrick: can't be there based on your interpretation.

[2:37:37] Trustee Patrick: So anyway, I think I need a picture.

[2:37:42] Voice 26: Tables is what occurred to me then when you were speaking.

[2:37:45] Voice 26: Yeah,

[2:37:45] Trustee Patrick: something needs to be brought together,

[2:37:48] Trustee Patrick: all these parts.

[2:37:50] Trustee Patrick: Because it is a lot of moving parts

[2:37:51] Trustee Patrick: in a relatively short area of a shoreline.

[2:38:05] Voice 27: So

[2:38:05] Voice 26: I'm just gonna,

[2:38:08] Voice 26: I'm just noticing we're almost an hour into this discussion.

[2:38:13] Voice 26: I just wanna sort of take the temperature here.

[2:38:18] Voice 26: It sounds to me like,

[2:38:25] Voice 26: I'm feeling like more information would be helpful

[2:38:29] Voice 26: during the decision speaks

[2:38:35] Voice 26: speaks to the, yeah, that's a good question.

[2:38:40] Voice 26: And I just wanted to see where you're at

[2:38:42] Voice 26: to address the controversy.

[2:38:45] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, no, that's what, you know,

[2:38:49] Trustee Patrick: and I think it's, I can understand the recommended,

[2:38:55] Trustee Patrick: the report says that revetiment's not in compliance

[2:38:58] Trustee Patrick: with the structures that are permitted.

[2:38:59] Trustee Patrick: But I think, you know, that the report

[2:39:02] Trustee Patrick: should identify exactly why is that.

[2:39:05] Trustee Patrick: that. And

[2:39:09] Trustee Patrick: I think that would be a value to me. So as I mean,

[2:39:14] Trustee Patrick: I'm understanding it,

[2:39:15] Voice 20: I

[2:39:17] Trustee Patrick: think the report could be improved.

[2:39:23] Voice 26: So as far as, as far as the action that we might take today,

[2:39:32] Voice 26: leaning towards asking for further information, yes, or

[2:39:38] Voice 26: reporting,

[2:39:38] Voice 26: I'd like to report

[2:39:40] Trustee Patrick: reporting on understanding

[2:39:42] Voice 18: why a

[2:39:46] Voice 18: revetiment cannot be is not considered a use of your license that um

[2:39:55] Voice 26: make a set up

[2:40:01] Voice 26: a resolution requesting specific information

[2:40:08] Voice 26: yeah director sure thank

[2:40:10] Voice 28: you um the chair i did hear um that the applicant's legal

[2:40:15] Voice 28: interpretation wasn't included so i didn't think that'd be good information for the lgp to have um

[2:40:21] Voice 28: Equally, if you're getting legal interpretations,

[2:40:23] Voice 28: you may ask for one yourself and consider

[2:40:26] Voice 28: asking us to do it like that if that's

[2:40:30] Voice 28: the pleasure of the opportunity.

[2:40:33] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[2:40:34] Trustee Patrick: No, I think it's important because this is like,

[2:40:40] Trustee Patrick: despite needing to bring them all up to date,

[2:40:43] Trustee Patrick: that has to happen.

[2:40:45] Trustee Patrick: But it's within.

[2:40:47] Trustee Patrick: So yes, legal interpretation would be great.

[2:40:51] Trustee Patrick: But I think it's OK.

[2:40:51] Trustee Patrick: Okay, and what was your first

[2:40:53] Voice 26: one was around

[2:40:53] Trustee Patrick: the...

[2:40:54] Trustee Patrick: I understand exactly why revetiment is not a permitted use in shoreline sites.

[2:41:01] Trustee Patrick: The

[2:41:06] Voice 18: various legal interpretations related to that.

[2:41:10] Voice 18: That's the most important question that stops us from, like I said, I can't,

[2:41:18] Trustee Patrick: we cannot vary a use.

[2:41:22] Trustee Patrick: So if this is truly the use, we can't say let's move forward and approve a development variance permit

[2:41:28] Trustee Patrick: it because we cannot vary these that's that's the conundrum we're in so we can't proceed forward

[2:41:34] Trustee Patrick: with even considering the application right this is used and that the legal interpretation exactly

[2:41:39] Trustee Patrick: correctly we

[2:41:40] Voice 12: will have one

[2:41:41] Trustee Patrick: we will have one we'll probably have to go with ours

[2:41:43] Trustee Patrick: um as as our what we lean on for this and again information

[2:41:47] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[2:41:48] Voice 12: it's um so

[2:41:50] Voice 12: may have made requests for two elements one is there's a timeline for this

[2:41:54] Voice 12: because this has gone on for a very long time you know it's been months with no communication

[2:41:59] Voice 12: serena has said that we can almost weekly asking staffers and communication and i'm worried that

[2:42:04] Voice 12: unless we give them the direct requirements for a specific timeline that we're going to be left

[2:42:08] Voice 12: in the lurch for multiple for more months if not years this state and the shorelines continue to

[2:42:15] Voice 12: erode i also request that they include we can send it to you as well but why was our legal and

[2:42:22] Voice 12: to leave a letter exactly this issue 9.11.1 which we claim shows that the revetments are allowed in

[2:42:29] Voice 12: this zone not included in the information that you were given to make a fully informed decision today

[2:42:38] Voice 12: and it was never addressed or addressed by staff either they pretty much included

[2:42:42] Voice 12: that element why is that okay

[2:42:44] Voice 26: so um i just want to get us back on track for things that we'd like

[2:42:50] Voice 26: to ask for their information on so so far i've got the offense uh legal interpretation

[2:43:02] Voice 26: whether we want to request ourselves we want to request a little bit of a

[2:43:06] Voice 26: motion i think okay uh

[2:43:08] Voice 26: so emotionally that would uh one would be for legal opinion i

[2:43:13] Trustee Patrick: guess that would answer the

[2:43:15] Voice 26: exactly

[2:43:15] Trustee Patrick: why it's that's my question is why why isn't a remediament considered in use

[2:43:24] Trustee Patrick: or that's the legal opinion i guess same if

[2:43:29] Voice 26: we get a new report from a table would be nice

[2:43:32] Voice 26: let's

[2:43:33] Voice 18: just yeah like all these bits and pieces and and

[2:43:39] Voice 26: then i would have a separate motion about

[2:43:42] Voice 26: the first nations piece so i see at least two well at least three motions one's about requesting a

[2:43:54] Voice 26: legal opinion uh and then

[2:44:03] Voice 26: the second would be uh requesting a report back that includes

[2:44:11] Voice 26: um the applicant's legal interpretation and then some reporting on that table is there anything

[2:44:17] Voice 26: else in that

[2:44:18] Trustee Patrick: well it's the it's the whole thing the development permit area the setback and the

[2:44:24] Trustee Patrick: I'm sure line six, well,

[2:44:29] Voice 18: like I said, there's only layers on top of those setbacks and offers.

[2:44:35] Voice 18: Mr.

[2:44:42] Voice 28: Kerr, do you mind responding to the applicant?

[2:44:45] Voice 28: Just for the applicant.

[2:44:46] Voice 28: Can

[2:44:47] Voice 21: you speak up a little bit?

[2:44:49] Voice 28: Sure.

[2:44:49] Voice 21: I can't hear you.

[2:44:50] Voice 28: Sorry, I think you could hear me, but I can make it so you can hear me.

[2:44:54] Voice 28: The applicant may or may not be aware, I expect you to understand at least, that you get legal advice is subject to solicitor-client privilege.

[2:45:06] Voice 28: We don't share that advice, so therefore you would receive it without them seeing it.

[2:45:13] Voice 28: And then in order for it to be released, this LTC would have to ask the executive committee, who's the holder of legal advice for the whole organization.

[2:45:20] Voice 28: they would make the resolution then to release it if they wish so there's process there and

[2:45:26] Voice 28: there's time then just to make it clear to the outcome yeah

[2:45:31] Voice 22: and on that timeline piece i was

[2:45:34] Voice 22: going to mention i mean we we do have a uh one more meeting scheduled in this term

[2:45:41] Voice 22: why

[2:45:43] Voice 26: um i don't think it's likely at all that we'll be able to have all of these pieces in place in

[2:45:51] Voice 26: time for that meeting in which case unfortunately that means that it's going to be going into the

[2:45:56] Voice 26: new term um there's one so i think real i think real open i'll look to the director to to correct

[2:46:08] Voice 26: me if i'm wrong but i think i don't think realistically this information could come

[2:46:13] Voice 26: uh before the local trust committee probably before the december meeting

[2:46:21] Voice 28: actually i won't be doing the work per se no i would

[2:46:24] Voice 28: turn to the rpm in terms of his resources

[2:46:26] Voice 28: and who would do the work i don't think a legal opinion would take hardly any time assuming that

[2:46:30] Voice 28: they're available so then packaging that up into a report to the lpc it's feasible for the next

[2:46:36] Voice 28: meeting but then in order to be able to respond to the applicant or the owner well

[2:46:40] Voice 26: i mean he

[2:46:41] Voice 26: identified one of the pieces which is around executive committee um authorizing the lease

[2:46:49] Voice 26: of a so i'm just trying to think of all the potential delays and i don't want to you know

[2:46:56] Voice 26: leave us for a timeline i don't think that's it's fair but i also want to make sure that we're

[2:47:00] Voice 26: trying to be realistic if we if we're not or even if we're spitballing a timeline let's

[2:47:07] Voice 26: you know let's not over show our promises and deliver i i my impression is that the december

[2:47:14] Voice 26: meeting would be the earliest we would have all these meetings in place and that's why i let this

[2:47:18] Voice 26: staff if you feel that it's that's that i'm being overly cautious i'm going to have to hear that i

[2:47:27] Voice 26: think i'm being overly enthusiastic i hear that too go ahead yeah

[2:47:33] Voice 14: i think on the legal opinion

[2:47:35] Voice 14: side of things that's easy enough to to get the legal services request underway you know shortly

[2:47:41] Voice 14: after this meeting it's on any further staff reporting that the lrpc might request that's

[2:47:46] Voice 14: where we're going to run into timeline problems as noted this morning we've got two planners who are

[2:47:51] Voice 14: who are departing for other opportunities um which leaves us in a bit of a uh a bit of a shortfall

[2:47:58] Voice 14: that would be difficult to build

[2:48:00] Voice 26: so yeah i mean i just i want to be i'm just trying to be realistic

[2:48:07] Voice 26: you know

[2:48:08] Voice 22: the committee feels like

[2:48:10] Voice 26: we need some information so um it will be obviously i think

[2:48:14] Voice 26: I think it's fair to say it's almost certainly going to be a new committee looking at this.

[2:48:19] Voice 26: But I also think it's fair to you to be realistic that all of these pieces that this committee thinks it would like to have,

[2:48:31] Voice 26: we would also assume we're trying to set up a new committee to have that information.

[2:48:35] Voice 26: So

[2:48:35] Voice 12: I have one other suggestion. I appreciate your potential realism on this.

[2:48:42] Voice 12: One other area as our representatives here on Salisbury, one thing that we've run up against

[2:48:47] Voice 12: this is like complete lack of cooperation from staff and dealing with stuff. So when they say

[2:48:51] Voice 12: we had to rezone, but damn, that's another 20 months, two or three years. We don't even have

[2:48:55] Voice 12: any information. There's no guides for that. So what I would ask you is while this legal

[2:49:00] Voice 12: proceedings, while you're getting your legal reports, while we're trying to sort this out,

[2:49:04] Voice 12: I think we can run these concurrently. We will again, in good faith, doing more above and beyond

[2:49:09] Voice 12: of what's been required and requested us from the beginning start that rezoning application but we

[2:49:14] Voice 12: need guidance and direction telling staff to like speed this process up give us fast timelines on

[2:49:20] Voice 12: this do what

[2:49:21] Voice 12: they should have been doing in the earlier days of helping us cooperatively in making

[2:49:26] Voice 12: this proceed forward rather than further delays and just kind of into a black hole so that might

[2:49:30] Voice 12: i think be a reasonable request because we will start that process while we wait for the rest of

[2:49:35] Voice 12: this to be decided but if we do this sequentially we could be like get into december and then who

[2:49:40] Voice 12: knows when that meet maybe you get it by december maybe it's later but there's a timeline for which

[2:49:45] Voice 12: we're only allowed to build this shoreline from the federal government and that is in july and

[2:49:49] Voice 12: august so those as those windows roll by right this pushes it further and further back and then

[2:49:55] Voice 12: remember if this when this gets passed by the islands trust we still have to go back to the

[2:49:59] Voice 12: province we still have to go to the federal government so the process doesn't just stop

[2:50:02] Voice 12: here not issuing a permit for us to put shovels in the ground tomorrow yeah

[2:50:05] Voice 26: this is i understand

[2:50:07] Voice 26: and i think that um and i i totally get where you're coming from and and i think the regional

[2:50:15] Voice 26: planning manager has just identified one of the one of the problems is that we are having uh

[2:50:23] Voice 26: shifts in our staffing and we don't actually have a super clear timeline of when those positions are

[2:50:30] Voice 26: all going to be filled again it's trying to be super realistic i told me again how frustrated

[2:50:35] Voice 26: this must be um but i also want to take it back to real life um

[2:50:41] Trustee Patrick: yes i you are correct uh if right

[2:50:45] Trustee Patrick: now rezoning the recommendation look quicker you get on it the better um i'm just trying to get to

[2:50:51] Trustee Patrick: the application report to see how many zonings uh operating you might be able to answer that

[2:50:55] Trustee Patrick: question i think we have an awful lot i'm just going to count them but you know i remember

[2:51:02] Trustee Patrick: there's a lot um of rezonings right now in the application that's you can look at the two is

[2:51:09] Trustee Patrick: the application reports in our agenda package um i we've had a huge run on reasoning we have

[2:51:14] Trustee Patrick: a staffing challenge at this office house freeze i

[2:51:18] Trustee Patrick: i will i will say that i will say that it's a

[2:51:22] Trustee Patrick: So that's been affecting our OCT project.

[2:51:25] Trustee Patrick: It's been affecting the work that we've been trying to move forward all term.

[2:51:32] Trustee Patrick: We have an office now, so that's been a big step in the right direction.

[2:51:38] Trustee Patrick: But I have great faith in our staff, regional planning manager Jason Yeomans.

[2:51:44] Trustee Patrick: It is the way things go.

[2:51:46] Trustee Patrick: we just got a fully staffed office only to have this now get away that that will affect the timing

[2:51:53] Trustee Patrick: of the agenda of the application i can tell you as executive people because both of us are we also

[2:52:01] Trustee Patrick: sit on the executive uh that get to sit and uh put the cao in the hot seat that um you know we

[2:52:07] Trustee Patrick: are having these conversations about this office this is not good for the isle of salt spring

[2:52:11] Trustee Patrick: community that we need to be able to solve these issues resource the projects and get on with it

[2:52:18] Trustee Patrick: because like the shoreline project all of these things need to be done time is not to our benefit

[2:52:26] Trustee Patrick: on any of it and so we need a healthy staffing level that can commit to do this work and get on

[2:52:34] Trustee Patrick: and it's

[2:52:36] Voice 18: so it's difficult so we can't sit

[2:52:38] Trustee Patrick: here and say hey it's

[2:52:40] Voice 18: not good news

[2:52:41] Voice 18: that

[2:52:48] Voice 27: uh resolutions

[2:52:49] Voice 26: here i think he's

[2:52:50] Voice 26: the resolution team yeah i'm actually a little

[2:52:53] Voice 26: bit away from that um just trying to think of i think

[2:52:59] Voice 26: we just have a legal

[2:53:00] Voice 18: opinion it's the

[2:53:02] Voice 18: biggest question to see there so i think those both could be addressed that's something timely

[2:53:24] Voice 27: sorry

[2:53:25] Voice 14: chair if i may uh it's been brought to my attention that uh planner claver uh

[2:53:30] Voice 14: would like the opportunity to address the committee again if that is okay uh

[2:53:36] Voice 26: we let's

[2:53:38] Voice 26: hear from uh this claver again yeah

[2:53:42] Voice 3: uh through the chair my apologies for i don't mean to be

[2:53:46] Voice 3: redundant but i guess just kind of taking everything in and listening and a few

[2:53:51] Voice 3: few things that seem maybe a little bit lost or at least i would like clarified um in terms of

[2:53:59] Voice 3: making decision is that clearly there's some form of contradiction between you know the shoreline

[2:54:06] Voice 3: six zone and dpa3 you know a mechanism of a development permit is to work through prescriptive

[2:54:12] Voice 3: guidelines to try and facilitate various different approaches to whether it's shoreline stabilization

[2:54:19] Voice 3: re-stabilization or any sort of development that's being proposed in that area. And then

[2:54:24] Voice 3: by nature, the shoreline sick zone wraps almost the entirety of the island. So that means that

[2:54:31] Voice 3: if anyone wants to put any sort of shoreline stabilization work, they're going to be

[2:54:35] Voice 3: triggered for rezoning. These things I would suggest, you know, should have probably been

[2:54:40] Voice 3: identified a long time ago since this is not the first time we've talked about it. And so I guess

[2:54:47] Voice 3: in that legal interpretation i guess recognizing where things have changed and the precipitation

[2:54:54] Voice 3: of some sort of bylaw change so that's clearly recognized in the zoning um the land use bylaw

[2:55:02] Voice 3: i guess secondary to that staff did make a comment about the change of location to be of the

[2:55:11] Voice 3: revetment to be solely on the private property and i just want to speak to that because that's

[2:55:15] Voice 3: something that we've evaluated through and through we've looked at green shores we've worked looked

[2:55:20] Voice 3: at beach nourishment approaches as you know from the previous applications we've looked at pushing

[2:55:26] Voice 3: it back from a geotechnical and from environmental standpoint working with biologists that would

[2:55:34] Voice 3: compromise the property even more we would lose substantially more trees like that is just not

[2:55:40] Voice 3: supported. So we've tried to take in all of these facets to make this as naturalized, but also

[2:55:48] Voice 3: geotechnically sound, which is obviously what we need to do when we're looking at any sort of

[2:55:53] Voice 3: erosion. So I think that there's been some discrepancies or some, you know, varying different

[2:55:59] Voice 3: ways that we look at it, but I can't, I have never seen so many professional reports evaluating a

[2:56:05] Voice 3: project in my 10 years of planning so I just want to say there's been a lot of professional

[2:56:12] Voice 3: evaluations here and this is why we've arrived at what we've arrived not because of any other

[2:56:18] Voice 3: reasons other than it's just that's yeah that's the consensus so I just please take that in

[2:56:25] Voice 3: consideration

[2:56:27] Trustee Patrick: well thank you thank you you know you you I think some of that of the conversation

[2:56:33] Trustee Patrick: that it's exactly that this is a which i can understand how this new interpretation has come

[2:56:39] Trustee Patrick: it now questions the dp3 and all the other guidelines which we already know are out of

[2:56:44] Trustee Patrick: need to be replaced so it's a it's stacking up from a staffing perspective we have to make these

[2:56:50] Trustee Patrick: projects so if we want to fix our development permit area three that's a project on salt spring

[2:56:56] Trustee Patrick: and if we need staff to to prioritize it this is where the conundrum gets quite frustrating but um

[2:57:06] Trustee Patrick: um this is the process we have to move forward with this

[2:57:09] Voice 18: start with these questions

[2:57:12] Voice 18: but

[2:57:13] Voice 26: okay just in the interest of trying to get a swim i've got some drafts here

[2:57:19] Voice 26: that one's right that looks right on the uh agenda but this one that one is a possible

[2:57:33] Voice 26: and then we'll have staff that's uh

[2:57:36] Voice 27: with the

[2:57:49] Trustee Patrick: question so for us is the question sort of okay

[2:57:52] Trustee Patrick: it's uh understanding the use within shoreline six and i think and the relationship

[2:57:58] Trustee Patrick: is that a question does that sound like because there's the two kind of go

[2:58:04] Trustee Patrick: So DPA-3 is over that area.

[2:58:07] Voice 14: Is that for the purposes of the legal opinion that you're seeking?

[2:58:11] Voice 14: I think you are looking to understand the basis for why a revetment is not permitted in the Shoreline 6 zone.

[2:58:21] Voice 27: And

[2:58:21] Voice 14: if I understand correctly, you'd also like to understand whether because DPA-3 appears to permit such a structure,

[2:58:29] Voice 14: the relationship between that and the OCP and the...

[2:58:32] Voice 14: yeah

[2:58:32] Trustee Patrick: yeah so it's still it's kind of related but it's definitely specific okay

[2:58:37] Voice 26: so i've got

[2:58:38] Voice 26: some draft language here let's run this by staff to see if this makes any sense so it would be that

[2:58:43] Voice 26: the uh trust committee requests legal opinion

[2:58:46] Voice 15: explaining

[2:58:47] Voice 26: why our amendment is not permitted

[2:58:49] Voice 26: and not a permitted use in shoreline zone six and its relationship with dp dpa3 does that

[2:58:58] Voice 26: sound like giving up what we want to do yeah

[2:59:03] Voice 14: um i guess and and whether the fact that dpa3

[2:59:11] Voice 14: appears to entertain yeah revetments influences that that interpretation yes

[3:00:08] Voice 21: I

[3:00:08] Voice 27: know she, I know

[3:00:09] Voice 25: she is working here. So, so I've got that the

[3:00:17] Voice 26: request is able to explain

[3:00:19] Voice 26: where Batman is not permitted to

[3:00:21] Voice 26: use shoreline 6 and whether EPA 3 uses that interpretation.

[3:00:29] Voice 26: We can work with that.

[3:00:30] Voice 27: Okay.

[3:00:31] Voice 26: Yeah, it's all a matter of make it work. That's why I'm writing it.

[3:00:35] Voice 26: I understand.

[3:00:36] Voice 14: And

[3:00:37] Voice 26: then a further would be that any staff, teacher-staff reporting would be able to do a

[3:00:43] Voice 26: table comparing the EPA3 shorelines on 6th and 7th.

[3:00:51] Voice 26: Okay.

[3:00:57] Voice 26: Should

[3:00:59] Voice 25: I just go ahead and make these?

[3:01:02] Voice 25: Go ahead.

[3:01:02] Voice 25: All right.

[3:01:04] Voice 25: I'll start with the first one.

[3:01:05] Voice 25: So I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to notify First Nations that previously expressed an interest to file PLDBP20250460 and PLDBP2025052 of any Local Trust Committee decisions or a future meeting where the matter would be considered.

[3:01:40] Voice 27: Okay,

[3:01:41] Voice 26: and any discussion? I just think this is good practice in general. So I'll call

[3:01:50] Voice 26: the question. All those in favour? And that carries.

[3:01:52] Voice 25: The next would be I move that the Social and Environmental Trust Committee request a legal

[3:01:57] Voice 25: opinion to explain why a revetment

[3:01:59] Voice 26: is not a permitted use to ensure item 6 and whether

[3:02:03] Voice 26: whether BPA3 influences that interpretation.

[3:02:08] Voice 26: Seconded.

[3:02:09] Voice 26: Any further discussion?

[3:02:11] Voice 25: I'll call the question.

[3:02:13] Voice 25: All those in favor?

[3:02:14] Voice 25: I'm curious.

[3:02:15] Voice 25: And then finally, that any future staff report on this file include a table comparing BPA3,

[3:02:25] Voice 25: shoreline zone 6,

[3:02:26] Voice 26: and setback regulations.

[3:02:30] Voice 26: Seconded.

[3:02:31] Voice 26: Any further discussion?

[3:02:33] Voice 26: I'll call the question.

[3:02:35] Voice 26: All those in favor?

[3:02:36] Voice 26: Seconded.

[3:02:36] Voice 26: curious. So the question now is the work we're going to do today

[3:02:49] Voice 26: on this.

[3:02:50] Trustee Patrick: I don't do we do we need the recommendation for deferring

[3:02:54] Trustee Patrick: anyway for more so we don't need it. And

[3:02:56] Voice 18: the guys

[3:02:57] Trustee Patrick: who used to

[3:02:58] Trustee Patrick: buy might want to

[3:03:04] Voice 18: did

[3:03:06] Voice 12: you want to say to have them do you need to mandate have it

[3:03:09] Voice 12: can include our legal opinion and that's not going to make sure they give you all the information

[3:03:13] Voice 12: or respond to either

[3:03:14] Voice 18: resolution for that may

[3:03:18] Voice 14: as well just for the sake of completeness okay that

[3:03:21] Voice 26: the salt spring island local trust committee uh request staff request that any future staff

[3:03:38] Voice 26: report on this file include the applicant's legal and just legal opinions legal opinions

[3:03:47] Voice 26: minutes.

[3:03:51] Voice 18: I'll second that. Okay.

[3:03:53] Voice 27: Any further

[3:03:53] Voice 26: discussion? All questions? All those in favor?

[3:04:02] Voice 26: So, obviously, not the outcome we wanted, but we're trying in our due diligence and also

[3:04:09] Voice 26: do the best we can. Anything further from us? Item from anyone? No. Okay. And how are we doing,

[3:04:19] Voice 26: everyone? Are we ready to plow ahead? Do we need a short break?

[3:04:28] Voice 26: Anyone jump up and down? So let's move on to the next team.

[3:04:32] Voice 26: Let's move on to the next team.

[3:04:36] Voice 27: Let's

[3:04:36] Voice 26: move on to the next team.

[3:04:38] Voice 26: I see a platter of competitors here.

[3:04:45] Voice 26: Correspondence.

[3:04:51] Voice 26: This is the 1370 bus on the road.

[3:04:56] Voice 37: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[3:05:18] Voice 38: The purpose of this report is to present a proposal from Rogers Communication requesting a statement of concurrence from the local trust committee.

[3:05:28] Voice 38: Rogers proposes to extend an existing lattice telecommunication tower from 37 meters to 55 meters.

[3:05:37] Voice 38: The surrounding area is characterized by large lots, primarily non-residential, including forestry, park and reserve users.

[3:05:46] Voice 38: The site currently accommodates multiple telecommunication installations.

[3:05:52] Voice 38: There is no statutory requirement for Islands Trust to conduct public consultation for this proposal.

[3:05:58] Voice 38: Responsibility for the required notification rests with the proponent.

[3:06:03] Voice 38: Also, at its April 9 meeting, the Local Trust Committee waived the requirement for public consultation regarding the proposed power extension.

[3:06:13] Voice 38: In accordance with the LTC's standing resolution, the staff provided the proponents with contact

[3:06:20] Voice 38: information for the First Nations, identified as having rights and title interests in the

[3:06:26] Voice 38: subject lands.

[3:06:28] Voice 38: The proponent has advised that notification letters were sent out to the First Nations.

[3:06:34] Voice 38: The power density study indicates that the anticipated radio frequency exposure level

[3:06:40] Voice 38: would be approximately 33% of the permissible exposure limit.

[3:06:46] Voice 38: Staff recommends that the local trust committee

[3:06:50] Voice 38: concur with the proposed extension

[3:06:51] Voice 38: as it's not contrary to or at variance

[3:06:55] Voice 38: with the applicable objectives

[3:06:56] Voice 38: and policies of the official community plan.

[3:07:01] Voice 38: Alternatively, the LTC may request further information

[3:07:04] Voice 38: before consideration of the requested statement

[3:07:08] Voice 38: of concurrence pending responses

[3:07:10] Voice 38: responses from the notified First Nations, or issue a statement of non-cancerous.

[3:07:15] Voice 38: And that concludes my presentation.

[3:07:20] Voice 27: Thank you.

[3:07:26] Voice 18: I remember the South Caucasian had at least reached out to First Nations about what responses they got, so I have no questions at this time.

[3:07:36] Voice 18: Okay.

[3:07:39] Voice 26: Also, I appreciate that that work was done and a request.

[3:07:53] Voice 27: I

[3:07:53] Trustee Patrick: move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee concurs with the proposed

[3:07:57] Trustee Patrick: extension of the telecommunications facility W3149A on 1370 Musgrave Road.

[3:08:06] Trustee Patrick: Second the motion.

[3:08:08] Voice 26: Any discussion? Not seeing any, I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[3:08:15] Voice 26: And that motion carries.

[3:08:16] Voice 26: Next is 116 Jackson Avenue, page 146. Over to you, sir.

[3:08:28] Voice 38: Thank you very much. The purpose of this report is to present proposed bylaw number 553 to the Local Justice Committee for the first reading.

[3:08:37] Voice 24: At

[3:08:38] Voice 38: its March 19 meeting, the LPC paid the requirement for stormwater management before and directed the staff to prepare a draft bylaw for the proposal, schedule a community information meeting, and to refer the proposal to the Advisory Planning Commission, First Nations, and other applicable agencies for input.

[3:08:58] Voice 38: The bylaw concerns the property at 116 Jackson Avenue, which is currently a split zone, R6 and R6 variant B.

[3:09:08] Voice 38: The amendment would rezone the property to a new commercial three-zone variant, variant A, to accommodate the uses described in page 148 of today's agenda.

[3:09:20] Voice 38: It would also amend the applicable siting regulations.

[3:09:23] Voice 38: regulations. The policy statement directive checklist is attached to assist the LTC in

[3:09:30] Voice 38: determining whether the proposed bylaw is at variance with the policy statement and see page

[3:09:37] Voice 38: 156 of today's agenda. The referral process began on May 12 with the initial referral period ending

[3:09:46] Voice 38: on July 12. The APC and other agencies and organizations that responded either confirmed

[3:09:52] Voice 38: that their interest would be unaffected

[3:09:55] Voice 38: or recommended approval of the proposal.

[3:09:58] Voice 38: First Nations also advised that their interest

[3:10:02] Voice 38: would be unaffected by First Nations

[3:10:04] Voice 38: that provided the comments.

[3:10:05] Voice 38: Say Out First Nation provided its formal response

[3:10:09] Voice 38: two days ago and requested that any future development

[3:10:13] Voice 38: proposals or activities that would affect heritage resources

[3:10:16] Voice 38: continue to be referred to the nation.

[3:10:20] Voice 38: The application was also referred to the CRD for comments

[3:10:23] Voice 38: regarding servicing by Ganges sewer local service area.

[3:10:28] Voice 38: The response did not identify any concerns related to the proposed uses.

[3:10:34] Voice 38: We followed up with the CRD commission regarding the concerns about the additional commercial uses.

[3:10:46] Voice 38: The CRD reiterated its previous response and again raised no concerns,

[3:10:50] Voice 38: noting that changing the zoning does not guarantee or permit any change to sewer use.

[3:10:58] Voice 38: Staff recommend that the Local Trust Committee give by-law first reading and confirm that the proposed amendment is not contrary to or at variance with the Island Trust Policy Statement.

[3:11:10] Voice 38: Alternatively, the LTC may decide not to hold a public hearing.

[3:11:14] Voice 38: If the LTC selects this alternative, section 467 of the local government requires notice to be given before first reading.

[3:11:24] Voice 38: Therefore, the LTC could not give the bylaw first reading today and would need to direct the staff to issue the notice before bringing the bylaw back for consideration.

[3:11:35] Voice 38: Also, now that the formal responses from the CRD and Say Out First Nation have been received, the LTC may also direct the staff to schedule a public hearing.

[3:11:45] Voice 38: Any public hearing would be held after first reading and before third reading.

[3:11:50] Voice 38: If the LTC selects this alternative,

[3:11:53] Voice 38: it should note that once the public hearing has been closed,

[3:11:56] Voice 38: no further submission may be received from the public.

[3:11:59] Voice 38: The LTC may also choose to amend the proposal,

[3:12:03] Voice 38: request further information, or direct that the bylaw proceed no further.

[3:12:09] Voice 38: That concludes my presentation for today. Thank you.

[3:12:19] So

[3:12:22] Voice 39: I'd just like to add that it's been a pleasure to work with Milad.

[3:12:28] Voice 39: This is my third project I've done in Ganges, and he's the only planner that's come out

[3:12:33] Voice 39: to the job in a proactive mode.

[3:12:36] Voice 39: The other ones that come up, maybe he thought he was doing something wrong or something

[3:12:40] Voice 39: like that, but he came out, he had good suggestions.

[3:12:43] Voice 39: We didn't agree on everything, but the thing is we worked it out.

[3:12:47] Voice 39: We came to a mutual agreement, you know, and I really appreciate his input.

[3:12:51] Voice 39: The second thing is I respectfully request that you, and I'm not trying to hide anything or anything like that, but I just want this process to go forward.

[3:13:02] Voice 39: It is required I have a public hearing because there's an official community plan in place and everything basically conforms to that plan.

[3:13:09] Voice 39: Okay, so you don't we don't have to hold that the hearing. Okay. And the hearing costs money and time and planners and everything. And so I hope that you will reconsider the requirement that I have done for the hearing. And that's it. Thank you again.

[3:13:26] Voice 39: Okay.

[3:13:43] Trustee Patrick: think that's not the definition. I was

[3:13:45] Trustee Patrick: like, really? I mean, one again, how many times have

[3:13:49] Trustee Patrick: you been before us on this one property already? Oh, three times. Only three? Feels like

[3:13:56] Voice 39: a lot more

[3:13:57] Voice 39: than that.

[3:13:59] Voice 18: Lots of variants. Yeah,

[3:14:01] Trustee Patrick: you've made a lot of trips. So I'm glad you're proceeding with

[3:14:05] Trustee Patrick: the rezoning and that we're where we are. So I really don't have any questions. Thank you.

[3:14:13] Voice 26: okay and then it sounded to me like your preference is that uh local trust committee

[3:14:21] Voice 26: would waive they require public service machines which couldn't be a first reading today uh because

[3:14:27] Voice 26: the notice issued did i get that right that would be your preference is that we waive the

[3:14:35] Voice 26: public hearing well

[3:14:36] Voice 39: it just makes every poll a little bit faster i'm sorry i mean right i'm

[3:14:40] Voice 39: seven months they do this it's only now yeah

[3:14:42] Voice 22: and then so if we and

[3:14:43] Voice 39: this would require like i

[3:14:45] Voice 22: understood understood and just noting that if we if we waive that requirement then we

[3:14:51] Voice 26: are not able to get first reading today because of the notification timeline uh

[3:14:58] Trustee Patrick: well i guess

[3:14:59] Trustee Patrick: staff is that will that save time i mean it'll save some work not having to pay for and send

[3:15:05] Trustee Patrick: out notices so but you still have to pay up but you have to send out notices still

[3:15:12] Voice 38: So

[3:15:12] Voice 14: I don't have the Local Government Act in front of me to...

[3:15:16] Voice 38: Yeah.

[3:15:16] Voice 38: According to Section 467 of the Local Government Act, if we want to waive the public hearing,

[3:15:25] Voice 38: then instead of the notice for the public hearing, we need to have the notice for the

[3:15:29] Voice 38: first reading, which means we cannot have the first reading before we have the notice

[3:15:34] Voice 38: for the first reading because we have not issued the notice for the first reading and

[3:15:39] Voice 38: we need to postpone the first reading.

[3:15:41] Voice 26: Right.

[3:15:41] Voice 26: So we can either proceed by doing first reading at a public hearing or by waiving the requirement

[3:15:49] Voice 26: for a public hearing and issuing the notice.

[3:15:52] Voice 26: That's my interest.

[3:15:52] Voice 26: Right.

[3:15:54] Voice 14: Which will then enable you to give multiple readings.

[3:15:57] Voice 14: You know, if you choose to move expeditiously at the next meeting where you receive this,

[3:16:02] Voice 14: you'll be able to give multiple readings to the bylaw.

[3:16:06] Voice 18: So.

[3:16:07] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I don't think we have.

[3:16:09] Trustee Patrick: I'm not aware of a single public complaint concern or being raised on top of it, so.

[3:16:16] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:16:16] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[3:16:17] Voice 26: there's the recommended alternative motion on page 150.

[3:16:36] Voice 18: There's not.

[3:16:37] Voice 26: 150, at least on the version I have.

[3:16:40] Voice 18: Wait, no, so just a moment.

[3:16:41] Voice 18: Yeah, here we go.

[3:16:42] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, I need, I already have a blast,

[3:16:45] Trustee Patrick: so come in next week.

[3:16:46] Trustee Patrick: So without them, I'm having a conversation.

[3:16:50] Trustee Patrick: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:16:52] Trustee Patrick: waive the requirement to hold a public hearing

[3:16:54] Trustee Patrick: for the Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law

[3:16:57] Trustee Patrick: number 355, 1999, amendment number two, 2026,

[3:17:02] Trustee Patrick: pursuant to section 4642 of the Local Government Act.

[3:17:06] Trustee Patrick: The direct staff proceed to provide notice

[3:17:10] Trustee Patrick: under section 467 of the Local Government Act.

[3:17:13] Trustee Patrick: Second motion,

[3:17:15] Voice 26: any further discussion?

[3:17:17] Voice 26: Seeing any, I'll call the question, all in favor?

[3:17:19] Voice 26: and motion carries.

[3:17:22] Trustee Patrick: Thanks, you've got to come back again.

[3:17:28] Voice 26: Okay, that concludes

[3:17:30] Voice 26: that one, and then

[3:17:32] Voice 26: the next is Frank Worthy

[3:17:34] Voice 26: on page 64.

[3:17:36] Voice 27: Thank you.

[3:17:39] Voice 26: I'm trying to

[3:17:40] Voice 26: agree with Dave on here, I'm trying to agree with

[3:17:42] Voice 26: joining us on live.

[3:17:44] Voice 27: Let's

[3:17:45] Voice 26: join us in person.

[3:17:46] Voice 27: Thanks.

[3:17:51] Voice 27: Isabel A. Cox.

[3:17:54] Voice 27: Thank

[3:18:02] Voice 4: you very much, Mr. Chair.

[3:18:05] Voice 4: So this report is for an ALR exclusion request for subject property located at 131 Brinkwater Road.

[3:18:15] Voice 4: The property owner submitted a request for the ALTC to initiate an ALR exclusion request on their behalf to the ALC as property owners are unable to submit a request directly to the ALC.

[3:18:26] Voice 4: At the February 2026 regular meeting, the LCCC considered this request and directed staff to refer the request received to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission for comments and feedback regarding the request.

[3:18:41] Voice 4: The WHO considered the proposal at its April 2026 meeting and did not support the proposed

[3:18:49] Voice 4: exclusion request due to several reasons, including the fact that there was no evidence

[3:18:59] Voice 4: that there will not be net loss of viable agricultural land, and also due to the fact

[3:19:04] Voice 4: that the commission did not have enough sufficient information to support the proposal. Currently the

[3:19:13] Voice 4: property is zoned residential 3 and the land use designation as per the official community

[3:19:19] Voice 4: plan is agriculture. The proposed exclusion request is consistent with the, I mean the

[3:19:26] Voice 4: proposal for which the request has been put forward is consistent with the agriculture

[3:19:30] Voice 4: land use designation policy as contained in the official community plan, but it is not consistent

[3:19:36] Voice 4: with the broader OCP objectives for agricultural land, which is specifically to maintain and protect

[3:19:41] Voice 4: the long-term potential for farming and agroforestry on Salt Spring Island, as well as to

[3:19:47] Voice 4: preserve agricultural land and necessary water supplies and to limit the non-farm use of

[3:19:51] Voice 4: agricultural land. Although the subject property is zoned to permit manufactured homes, residential

[3:19:57] Voice 4: uses and it is consistent with some of the ALR exclusion criteria in the Official Committees

[3:20:03] Voice 4: Plan. Staff recommends at this time that the LCC does not initiate an ALR exclusion application

[3:20:08] Voice 4: for the subject property until a full assessment of the best use of ALR land in and around

[3:20:14] Voice 4: island villages is undertaken. Alternatively, the LCC may decide to submit an application

[3:20:20] Voice 4: to the ALC on behalf of the property owner or request for more information. Thank you.

[3:20:29] Voice 26: Okay, so we have a couple of options laid out for us here.

[3:20:33] Voice 26: Sorry, applicants here.

[3:20:34] Voice 26: Sorry, go ahead.

[3:20:36] Voice 26: General Martin, I'm a member of the Board of

[3:20:39] Voice 16: Employee Services.

[3:20:43] Voice 16: Three of us will make comments.

[3:20:45] Voice 16: I'll try and keep mine short.

[3:20:47] Voice 16: We are requesting the LDC forward all requests to the ALC.

[3:20:53] Voice 16: We asked the property be

[3:20:55] Voice 26: removed all apart from the ALR.

[3:20:59] Voice 26: We submit that this removal would meet the suit of the intent of the ALR,

[3:21:06] Voice 26: because this is a unique property.

[3:21:09] Voice 26: The property, for many years,

[3:21:12] Voice 26: has been unsuitable for possession of agriculture

[3:21:15] Voice 26: and has not been used in that way.

[3:21:17] Voice 26: Some of the reasons for that are, number one,

[3:21:21] Voice 26: the property borders on the brink of the residential community,

[3:21:25] Voice 26: and

[3:21:26] Voice 16: there is a restrictive covenant in place limiting agricultural activities along that

[3:21:34] Voice 16: board

[3:21:34] Voice 26: between the two properties.

[3:21:36] Voice 26: So there's a restriction on normal agriculture on that side of the property.

[3:21:41] Voice 26: And on the other

[3:21:42] Voice 16: side of the property, on the other half of the property,

[3:21:46] Voice 16: EC Hydro's high voltage line bisects the other half of the property

[3:21:52] Voice 16: and their right-of-way, right in Seoul, restricts traditional agriculture in that it limits the things you can do,

[3:22:02] Voice 16: the kind of machinery you can use, whether you can have something small in there.

[3:22:06] Voice 16: Because

[3:22:07] Voice 26: there's very high-limit lines, the lines supply all the salt streams

[3:22:11] Voice 20: of power plus part of Vancouver Island.

[3:22:14] Voice 20: Vancouver Island.

[3:22:17] Voice 20: Vancouver Island.

[3:22:19] Voice 20: It's a big line.

[3:22:20] Voice 20: And right

[3:22:21] Voice 16: away, it's very important that we don't want to do anything and no agricultural activity would be desired that would affect it.

[3:22:30] Voice 16: So

[3:22:31] Voice 26: our concept is to form a part of the property in a non-traditional way while providing housing on the other portion.

[3:22:44] Voice 26: The portion that is an extra resident to Brinkworthy would be more housing because agriculture

[3:22:51] Voice 26: wouldn't be appropriate there anyway, and do non-traditional agriculture under the power

[3:22:57] Voice 26: lines.

[3:22:58] Voice 16: And we believe that the net result of that would be, although the net result would be

[3:23:06] Voice 16: a removal of acres from the official ALR, the number of acres would go down, but the

[3:23:14] Voice 16: The agricultural productive

[3:23:15] Voice 26: capacity of the parcel

[3:23:17] Voice 26: would actually increase because some of the revenue

[3:23:24] Voice 37: from the residential housing would

[3:23:31] Voice 37: be used to

[3:23:33] Voice 26: support the economics of the agriculture,

[3:23:38] Voice 26: primarily probably intensive greenhouse operations

[3:23:43] Voice 26: provisions on the other portion.

[3:23:45] Voice 26: So we believe it meets the intent of their spirit

[3:23:52] Voice 26: out there for this couple of other people

[3:24:00] Voice 26: in the office and stuff.

[3:24:02] Voice 27: OK.

[3:24:03] Voice 26: Do you have a new chair over here?

[3:24:06] Voice 26: I think I'm very nice sitting in this chair.

[3:24:08] Voice 26: Rob Graff, I'm the executive director

[3:24:10] Voice 26: of Salt Spring Community Services.

[3:24:12] Voice 26: Maybe I'll say one thing in terms of process.

[3:24:15] Voice 26: It commented, the planner had commented

[3:24:19] Voice 26: that one of the things that happened,

[3:24:21] Voice 26: we'll back up, we were waiting to get clarity

[3:24:24] Voice 26: on the process to interact with the trust.

[3:24:26] Voice 26: And I think finally it became clear

[3:24:28] Voice 26: that there would be a referral to the Ag Committee

[3:24:30] Voice 26: and that became fairly clear.

[3:24:33] Voice 26: We didn't know when the meeting happened.

[3:24:36] Voice 26: We were actually expecting to be invited

[3:24:37] Voice 26: to the meeting provides information.

[3:24:38] Voice 26: And so I wouldn't know that the planner had commented that one of the factors that the committee says, well, we can't support this because we were lacking information.

[3:24:49] Voice 26: We never had that opportunity and we're actually expecting that.

[3:24:53] Voice 26: That might have been a miscommunication quite clear, but that certainly from our point of view was something that we were waiting to do, to be able to talk with this committee, finally to sit down and actually walk through the facts of the process.

[3:25:07] Voice 26: So the fact that they didn't quite have enough information was a product that we were never, didn't have that opportunity.

[3:25:16] Voice 26: And I would note that it'd be great to still have that opportunity, because I think there are other factors.

[3:25:22] Voice 26: So the one thing I did want to say, and I'll draw this from the planner's report as well, at some point on the pages,

[3:25:30] Voice 26: it talks about the LTC should consider whether this legacy zoning continues to reflect the

[3:25:38] Voice 26: community's vision for the best use of this land today and I think what's being referred to is the

[3:25:43] Voice 26: legacy zoning being for housing and I would kind of put out that I'm not sure if the term

[3:25:51] Voice 26: legacy is doing justice to it because legacy might imply that it's old, it's outdated, it's

[3:25:57] Voice 26: some historical thing. The fact that we have property right by the village that was already

[3:26:04] Voice 26: zoned for housing, I think is very relevant today. That's not a historical thing. That's

[3:26:08] Voice 26: very present and aligned with most of the conversations around housing. So the fact

[3:26:16] Voice 26: that the trust have identified in its plan that property for housing is there. I don't think

[3:26:23] Voice 26: that's an outdated notion but moving ahead the whole idea of what is the best use of that property

[3:26:30] Voice 26: this gets back to why we purchased it as community services and we saw that property came up we

[3:26:35] Voice 26: thought it's quite strategic it's uh it's sitting there virtually unusable for anyone except some

[3:26:42] Voice 26: crazy non-profit group that thinks that they can cobble together some particular use of that land

[3:26:47] Voice 26: that's strategic and can be done in a particular way there are so many conditions and covenants and

[3:26:54] Voice 26: hydro lines and rights

[3:26:55] Voice 29: away and all that

[3:26:56] Voice 26: sort of stuff that it you would you mean you would not

[3:26:59] Voice 26: get a commercial farmer jumping in and saying let's make something of it it's that it'll sit

[3:27:04] Voice 26: there virtually unused and so we did cobble together what we thought could be a viable

[3:27:10] Voice 26: business plan that didn't reject agriculture that actually embraced the agricultural use of it

[3:27:16] Voice 26: and that can certainly be evidence that you have probably by today you can see the first things

[3:27:21] Voice 26: that we have done have invested like hundreds of thousands of dollars in greenhouses and soil

[3:27:27] Voice 26: coming in fencing there is no doubt that in the long run there will be agricultural activity

[3:27:32] Voice 26: on that property whereas there never was and probably never would be so there will definitely

[3:27:38] Voice 26: be agricultural activity there but part of the business plan in dealing with that very want

[3:27:43] Voice 26: little little project as well is taking a look at how do you make it viable and so a housing

[3:27:48] Voice 26: component not only met meets the um a pressing community need but also creates viability uh

[3:27:56] Voice 26: really good solid viability for that particular property and so i would i would kind of say

[3:28:02] Voice 26: it would be great to come back and say what was what would the community's vision for that property

[3:28:08] Voice 26: be and it could very well be the community vision could be bang on what we have planned for it it

[3:28:15] Voice 26: aligns a lot right right in line with the community needs so so uh i i think that this is worth

[3:28:22] Voice 26: very valuable piece of plant of property close to the village i think it's worth more time and

[3:28:28] Voice 26: thought to see what can happen with it and working together that notion of we were looking forward to

[3:28:37] Voice 26: of sitting down with the Ag Committee

[3:28:38] Voice 26: and really let's talk about what could be.

[3:28:41] Voice 26: And if there's concerns of pulling too much property

[3:28:44] Voice 26: out of the Ag designation, what's the sweet spot?

[3:28:49] Voice 26: How much, what could work?

[3:28:50] Voice 26: What is the win-win that could potentially work

[3:28:53] Voice 26: and just see if it's viable.

[3:28:55] Voice 26: So I welcome the chance to have those conversations

[3:29:00] Voice 26: and not call it a day and say,

[3:29:02] Voice 26: sorry, we can't move on that property.

[3:29:04] Voice 26: It's too strategic and I think well-placed

[3:29:05] Voice 26: in the community to about what you're trying to do yeah yeah

[3:29:10] Voice 21: um i think uh daryl i think

[3:29:16] Voice 21: um significant comments in regards to uh what i would also have to share um i do respectfully

[3:29:25] Voice 21: want to point out um that we were not invited to the agricultural advisory planning commission

[3:29:31] Voice 21: meeting, as was expected, and that was admitted by staff in correspondence with ICS staff.

[3:29:41] Voice 21: So I hope that we can have future conversations and present refined plans and communications

[3:29:56] Voice 21: regarding this property at a sensible time.

[3:30:00] Voice 21: following the upcoming civic elections.

[3:30:03] Voice 21: Plans for the property will indeed increase

[3:30:05] Voice 21: the agricultural use and value of the property

[3:30:09] Voice 21: compared to the actions for the past few decades.

[3:30:12] Voice 21: I think our own plans are significant

[3:30:14] Voice 21: in comparison to the reality

[3:30:18] Voice 21: prior to the purchase by community services.

[3:30:22] Voice 21: And I think that's pretty much it.

[3:30:27] Voice 21: I think we hope for continued communications.

[3:30:30] Voice 21: patients. Yeah,

[3:30:31] Voice 32: I'm there. Also, the board member for social and community services, and I

[3:30:36] Voice 32: support these presentations. And I hope that something can come forward today, even some

[3:30:43] Voice 32: kind of recommendation can move forward today to get this back kind of within the moment. Thank

[3:30:50] Voice 32: you. Sorry, can

[3:30:53] Voice 26: I have one more thing? The recommendation the staff report had talked about

[3:30:57] Voice 26: But an alternative is saying, can we move this along and get more information?

[3:31:01] Voice 26: One of the particular points was asking for technical reports from specialists around

[3:31:09] Voice 26: agricultural viability and that type of thing.

[3:31:11] Voice 26: And my comment on that would be, the ALC's got that covered in states.

[3:31:16] Voice 26: That's their work.

[3:31:17] Voice 26: I don't want to think we need two governments or two bodies doing the same thing.

[3:31:21] Voice 26: We'll get there.

[3:31:22] Voice 26: That is definitely their turf, their thing.

[3:31:25] Voice 26: of any particular process to do it once and then again,

[3:31:31] Voice 26: or for two different bodies, I think it's doubling over.

[3:31:35] Voice 26: It's not really necessary.

[3:31:37] Voice 26: You could say, you know,

[3:31:38] Voice 26: the oldest time to bring reports around

[3:31:41] Voice 26: the agriculture viability of soil,

[3:31:43] Voice 26: they have a good technical way to do that,

[3:31:45] Voice 26: ask for reports of that, they got that.

[3:31:49] Voice 26: So I don't know that the concept needs to cover their work.

[3:31:55] Voice 20: i

[3:31:55] Voice 14: was just going to say that i i think that rob is correct there that if if the ltc were to forward

[3:32:01] Voice 14: this on to the agricultural land commission the agricultural land commission would very likely

[3:32:05] Voice 14: request the provision of some

[3:32:07] Voice 14: profession of an agrologist report about the right the soil

[3:32:10] Voice 14: capability um that said if for the purpose of the ltc's decision making you think it would help you

[3:32:18] Voice 14: you make the decision you need to make. That's always a request that you can make. I do just

[3:32:23] Voice 14: want to piggyback on something that Rob said, and maybe it's already evident to you. Despite

[3:32:30] Voice 14: staff's recommendation, which is just sort of a nerdy planner recommendation, which is we need to

[3:32:34] Voice 14: take a wholesome look at all of the ALR land around the village and decide sort of what is

[3:32:40] Voice 14: best done with it, the property really does present a unique opportunity to advance housing

[3:32:47] Voice 14: in the community, which is to say it's already zoned for multiple dwelling units. And you will

[3:32:52] Voice 14: know from your experience as trustees, the challenges that are associated with the zoning

[3:32:57] Voice 14: process to create land that is appropriate for multiple dwelling units. And it's unfortunate

[3:33:02] Voice 14: that there is what I consider a tension, but they would likely consider the synthesis

[3:33:08] Voice 14: between agriculture and housing. And it sort of just comes down at the end of the day to

[3:33:14] Voice 14: what the trustee's interests are, I guess. But I do want to emphasize that there's not much land

[3:33:24] Voice 14: on the island that is already zoned for multiple dwelling units.

[3:33:31] Voice 26: Trustee Patrick?

[3:33:32] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, well, I mean, as far as I remember after you bought property, I remember sitting at your

[3:33:38] Trustee Patrick: boardroom around the table and i said you think we're bad meet the alc um and i know i explained

[3:33:46] Trustee Patrick: you but you know it's you're going to make your case to have it and i know the staff report we

[3:33:53] Trustee Patrick: had before staff had asked you to do some reports and and we got pushbacks and well we don't want

[3:33:58] Trustee Patrick: to do those reports so we were okay let's give an early referral to our alc now it's unfortunate

[3:34:03] Trustee Patrick: that if whatever happened that you should have been there because one of those questions was

[3:34:09] Trustee Patrick: was the added information you're asking for you did the did the agricultural flying commission

[3:34:16] Trustee Patrick: did they agree or disagree with that information so it was that i saw it as a chance for

[3:34:25] Trustee Patrick: the applicant and our aapc to sit down together and talk about yes this is the information that

[3:34:32] Trustee Patrick: that would help them come to that conclusion.

[3:34:37] Trustee Patrick: What we talked about this last time was

[3:34:40] Trustee Patrick: even strong applications have been turned down.

[3:34:44] Trustee Patrick: And I told you guys that most,

[3:34:48] Trustee Patrick: I think everyone I've been involved in,

[3:34:50] Trustee Patrick: even with strong support

[3:34:52] Trustee Patrick: from the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[3:34:54] Trustee Patrick: got turned down.

[3:34:56] Trustee Patrick: So that was the ground we were trying to get you

[3:34:59] Trustee Patrick: on that solid space of at least going forward

[3:35:02] Trustee Patrick: with a strong recommendation from the Agricultural Planning Committee,

[3:35:06] Trustee Patrick: I think that would be where I'd probably be leaning is ask that to convene again,

[3:35:12] Trustee Patrick: let you be clearly invited to show up and have that conversation

[3:35:19] Trustee Patrick: with the Agricultural Agency because we don't want to have you spend money

[3:35:28] Trustee Patrick: on reports that might won't change that um but uh you know we could we could either make that

[3:35:38] Trustee Patrick: up see if the you know if get their strong support then you can go forward if you wanted

[3:35:44] Trustee Patrick: to wait for the ALC to tell you what reports they may just say no is another answer um rather than

[3:35:52] Trustee Patrick: and saying what they would like to see.

[3:35:55] Trustee Patrick: I mean, all of the applications of my experience have been,

[3:36:00] Trustee Patrick: we've had those reports have gone with it,

[3:36:03] Trustee Patrick: showing the agricultural use viability of the property.

[3:36:07] Trustee Patrick: So I think it's that strong,

[3:36:09] Trustee Patrick: that's what we were trying to say,

[3:36:11] Trustee Patrick: is we want a strong application.

[3:36:14] Trustee Patrick: We want our Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[3:36:16] Trustee Patrick: saying, we agree, we support this.

[3:36:19] Trustee Patrick: we want to be able to say we support this um and put forward an application that's the best we can

[3:36:27] Trustee Patrick: do as a community to the ALC now whether or not the ALC will support it that's where we don't know

[3:36:34] Trustee Patrick: so that's what we were aiming at that is still where I'd say you know just forwarding it today

[3:36:39] Trustee Patrick: I'd say I know what they're going to respond back with that's going to be a no because they're

[3:36:45] Trustee Patrick: that's just easy for them we need to put forward an application that they might say yes to

[3:36:53] Voice 26: i'm assuming we need to prepare that note if you guys will allow us to work together

[3:37:01] Voice 26: we would of course do our best job to present them like we know what is going on and i certainly

[3:37:08] Voice 26: thought through all the reports and see if that would work we're ready to do that we're going to

[3:37:12] Voice 26: take a step we don't get a strong recommendation but we thought that that now would be if our

[3:37:16] Voice 26: local government doesn't support it we go forward and you guys are technically well i think that's

[3:37:22] Voice 26: not going to be great if you're strong about it that i would hope would have some influence

[3:37:27] Voice 26: including comments like this is the success we have in patients because it's already by

[3:37:33] Voice 26: our standards so for a multi-family which we need uh so i wasn't thinking that we go

[3:37:40] Voice 26: really unprepared you know all that like we're looking at the soil analysis and all those

[3:37:46] Voice 26: different things the rights the way that they're really looking at the viability of that as

[3:37:50] Voice 26: agricultural land it's really interesting when you get into it it's not particularly viable as

[3:37:56] Voice 26: agricultural land i mean we could we could talk ourselves out of why we've been done this if you

[3:38:01] Voice 26: go down that path i think there is a case to really take a look at that that is not prime

[3:38:07] Voice 26: case and and that will hopefully resonate with the ag committee who really measures

[3:38:12] Voice 26: Is that valuable agricultural land or not?

[3:38:16] Voice 26: And so I was hoping to go together, strong support to say.

[3:38:21] Voice 26: We all agree.

[3:38:22] Trustee Patrick: So I don't know what happened, why you weren't invited to the AAPC.

[3:38:27] Trustee Patrick: And so I think that's, you know, I think go back with being present to them and have that conversation.

[3:38:33] Trustee Patrick: Because it's about what information did they need to be able to say they give strong support?

[3:38:40] Trustee Patrick: that's sort of the that's why we said that's step one you need you need their support and um and so

[3:38:47] Trustee Patrick: i think that's back to we organize or ask that they meet again forward the application make sure

[3:38:54] Trustee Patrick: the applicant is is invited and uh you sit down and have that conversation they're great people

[3:39:00] Trustee Patrick: um and have that conversation and then you know we see then the next step because that

[3:39:09] Trustee Patrick: But I'm sure local trust me, if we've got a strong recommendation from the AAC, add to that strand gate and then put that forward.

[3:39:17] Trustee Patrick: I don't think the ALC works.

[3:39:18] Trustee Patrick: I don't think we get to do a road show and stand before them and pitch our point.

[3:39:24] Trustee Patrick: It is a submission, and then you're at their whim.

[3:39:29] Trustee Patrick: The most important thing is I do know there's an appeal process, but it's a tight window.

[3:39:34] Trustee Patrick: It's like 30 days.

[3:39:35] Trustee Patrick: So it's paying attention because I know the other two recent ones we had, by the time we knew the answer, the appeal date was already passed and we couldn't even appeal.

[3:39:51] Trustee Patrick: So I don't even know if that increases your success. Let's hope we don't have to appeal, but it's the strength of the application that goes in in the first place.

[3:40:00] Trustee Patrick: So what

[3:40:01] Voice 26: I would also add is I think it's casual and sort of saying, let's give it a shot for us as an organization, that we get to get a hard no, we've got plan B and C and D, we're fairly resilient, innovative, we'll figure it out.

[3:40:15] Voice 26: if they say no but I think it's

[3:40:18] Voice 26: worth the shot so

[3:40:20] Voice 26: I know they'd be warm for her to say

[3:40:22] Voice 26: they couldn't give a hard no

[3:40:23] Voice 26: we're ready for that

[3:40:25] Voice 26: we have to be realistic because a hard sell

[3:40:28] Voice 26: so be it

[3:40:30] Voice 26: but trying to give it the best

[3:40:32] Trustee Patrick: so that's

[3:40:34] Trustee Patrick: what we're back to is

[3:40:35] Trustee Patrick: going back to the ABC and get them on

[3:40:38] Trustee Patrick: board and

[3:40:39] Trustee Patrick: have that conversation with you

[3:40:44] Voice 18: just

[3:40:45] Voice 14: a procedural

[3:40:46] Voice 14: note sorry

[3:40:47] Voice 14: If the intention is to refer it back to the AAPC, I'm expecting that the applicants are going to want to bring the APC more fulsome information.

[3:41:00] Voice 14: But we need to remember that the AAPC can't receive information that the LTC has not been privy to.

[3:41:06] Voice 14: And so if it's the applicant's intention to put a more robust plan together for the AAPC's consideration than the LTC has been provided with to date,

[3:41:16] Voice 14: you need to bring it to the ltc first and you could just submit it sort of a yeah you could

[3:41:21] Voice 14: just submit it as correspondence or or whatever and then the ltc could refer that i'm

[3:41:26] Trustee Patrick: i was gonna

[3:41:27] Trustee Patrick: say i'm understanding this is more of a conversation but the applicant and the apc would be hearing

[3:41:32] Trustee Patrick: their vision which we just heard quite a bit of it now so and then talking about the previous

[3:41:39] Trustee Patrick: staff report that had here's what we think we need for reports and talk you know kind of come

[3:41:45] Trustee Patrick: through yeah whatever

[3:41:46] Voice 26: we submit we were to bolster up the submission again i think the beauty will be

[3:41:53] Voice 26: in that synergy conversations and we don't want to be restricted to say well that wasn't submitted

[3:41:58] Voice 26: it'll be around let's talk this through so i get that we need to bolster some of the bases

[3:42:06] Voice 26: But I think Laura's right.

[3:42:07] Voice 26: The next piece is looking at a little sort of, I don't know what it's called, collaboration

[3:42:17] Voice 26: or just mutual brainstorming or that kind of thing to

[3:42:21] Trustee Patrick: see

[3:42:21] Voice 26: what the trust effect is.

[3:42:24] Trustee Patrick: Well, another, because I know like the APC, there was a rezoning that they were quite

[3:42:30] Trustee Patrick: concerned about.

[3:42:31] Trustee Patrick: They had a field trip.

[3:42:32] Trustee Patrick: They met on the property.

[3:42:34] Trustee Patrick: So I think that might be a case is schedule an AAPC right on the property where you can walk it, talk it, you know, necessary follow up in the boardroom afterwards or whatever.

[3:42:48] Trustee Patrick: But I'd say get them out on the ground and talk. It is a conversation.

[3:42:52] Trustee Patrick: That's what we're seeing is if they can't come around to, yeah, I can see, you know, viability and I would support it if I had this.

[3:43:01] Trustee Patrick: you know that's what you're looking for what you know then it's okay now we're like you got to go

[3:43:05] Trustee Patrick: to that report maybe it's one instead of the three or four that were requested of you so if this is

[3:43:11] Voice 26: the route and it's back to that committee is there still a planner assigned like that whole motion

[3:43:19] Voice 26: has to get to the LTC can we have working closely with the assigned planner as we get into the

[3:43:25] Voice 26: it's got to be fine so um

[3:43:27] Voice 14: it's it's an interesting one because it's not really

[3:43:31] Voice 14: an it's not an application like there's been no application fee paid so the amount of staff time

[3:43:36] Voice 14: and effort that can be put into it is is minimal and it's not an ltc project um per se at this time

[3:43:43] Voice 14: either so um we

[3:43:45] Voice 26: can get as you say get information to you guys before you can see this through

[3:43:50] Voice 26: roof together

[3:43:50] Voice 14: well we we will not provide any as staff we won't provide any information to the

[3:43:56] Voice 14: double apc that has not been provided to the ltc so like we put together a double apc agenda package

[3:44:02] Voice 14: it'll contain this last staff report the first staff report and say here you go the ltc has asked

[3:44:08] Voice 14: for your opinion about this because the ltc like the double apc provides advice to the ltc on

[3:44:14] Voice 14: specific questions you know specific issues um which for now the staff reports and any associated

[3:44:20] Voice 14: documents kind of define it yeah

[3:44:23] Trustee Patrick: i just

[3:44:24] Voice 22: wanted to to just the thinking here i noticed in the all in

[3:44:29] Voice 22: the alternatives in

[3:44:31] Voice 26: the staff report here um one of them is is submit an exclusion application for

[3:44:35] Voice 26: the portion of the property within the residential land designation and i'm not sure where you guys

[3:44:41] Voice 26: stand on that but um thinking about trying to get the application that the alc will sign off on

[3:44:51] Voice 26: that that might be worth i'm just trying to imagine myself being them um and that might be

[3:44:58] Voice 26: worth focusing on that rather than the entire property right your decision but that's just

[3:45:03] Voice 26: one of the things that occurred to me reading the staff report and i think that's given that

[3:45:08] Voice 26: it's a partial it's not that there's 11 acres there and you know just in terms of scale it

[3:45:14] Voice 26: already wouldn't look the more meaningful the smaller

[3:45:17] Voice 12: we don't know what that sweet spot is

[3:45:18] Voice 12: we

[3:45:18] Voice 26: had a fairly

[3:45:19] Voice 12: ambitious plan

[3:45:20] Voice 26: looking at 4.5 acres and 35 minutes nothing's written in stone

[3:45:24] Voice 26: it's kind of like what works in this thing so it is looking at for sure far less than

[3:45:33] Voice 26: Yeah. Yeah. I just kind of jumped out at me and stuff like that.

[3:45:37] Voice 26: Yeah.

[3:45:39] Trustee Patrick: My concern was saying, yeah, let's just bundle what we have and send it to the ALC now.

[3:45:43] Trustee Patrick: The report from the AAPC would go saying we don't recommend it and you don't want that.

[3:45:49] Trustee Patrick: And so, you know, that's my concern.

[3:45:52] Trustee Patrick: So I would say go back to the AAPC.

[3:45:56] Trustee Patrick: The questions I have for you is meet with the applicant, have a meeting with the applicant,

[3:46:02] Trustee Patrick: And it's also what additional information is recommended to help make that decision

[3:46:09] Trustee Patrick: so that you can talk about the requests that our staff gave you,

[3:46:14] Trustee Patrick: the previous staff report that had, here's the reports that we think you should have.

[3:46:18] Trustee Patrick: Have that conversation with the AAPC.

[3:46:20] Trustee Patrick: That was what I hoped was going to happen last time.

[3:46:23] Trustee Patrick: It was about the request of the additional information.

[3:46:26] Trustee Patrick: What on that list do they need to see?

[3:46:29] Trustee Patrick: What will make them say yes?

[3:46:31] Trustee Patrick: Chair,

[3:46:36] Voice 21: may I ask a question? I have fundamental concern about how clear the process is for the applicants and for the AAPC in conjunction with the LCC.

[3:46:46] Voice 21: So in light of the upcoming election and how do we proceed and trust that our situation will be seen fairly, I'm concerned that this might be fractured or like fractured in a way.

[3:47:02] Voice 21: And I wonder what we can do in this moment in order to make sure that things are going to be successful.

[3:47:11] Voice 21: Are there actions that you can insist on from this meeting, or what is going to happen?

[3:47:22] Voice 21: We cannot

[3:47:23] Trustee Patrick: bind a future local trustee.

[3:47:25] Trustee Patrick: That is what's called better to your disambulance.

[3:47:28] Trustee Patrick: We cannot do that.

[3:47:28] Trustee Patrick: um however you know hopefully the aapc is going to meet before the end of the term and we'll

[3:47:35] Trustee Patrick: produce a report and then work collaboratively with you actually they're they're good folks

[3:47:40] Trustee Patrick: they're going to sit down and talk they know we have a housing problem on this island so you know

[3:47:44] Trustee Patrick: you're talking to islanders um they're a local trust committee puts weight in the advisory

[3:47:51] Trustee Patrick: planning commission's responses they're they're that i can't promise a future one will but

[3:47:57] Trustee Patrick: but generally they do take the opinions of the advisory planning commissions seriously.

[3:48:03] Trustee Patrick: That's why we have them, especially the agricultural planning.

[3:48:07] Trustee Patrick: They are a group of active farmers on this island.

[3:48:10] Trustee Patrick: They know it better than any of us.

[3:48:13] Trustee Patrick: So we can't make promises, but the intent of putting forth the strongest application possible,

[3:48:22] Trustee Patrick: Yes, you might be at the whim of a future local trust committee that we don't know who's on it, but I would hope, you know, if someone's elected that doesn't understand we have a housing problem on this island, we have a problem with elections.

[3:48:37] Trustee Patrick: So hopefully you're talking to people who are still, you know, fully understanding of your issue, and if the advisory planning commissions come around on your side, that's only going to strengthen.

[3:48:50] Trustee Patrick: So

[3:48:51] Voice 26: you can make a motion or a decision later today to rub this back to that commission?

[3:49:00] Voice 27: Yes. Yeah,

[3:49:01] Trustee Patrick: we can do that today. We'll schedule a meeting with them and this time hopefully

[3:49:09] Trustee Patrick: plan that with you so that you can

[3:49:11] Trustee Patrick: be there. Is it possible

[3:49:14] Voice 26: to have that in portion?

[3:49:16] Voice 26: i'm not quite sure but what we missed the first time is that we'll

[3:49:21] Trustee Patrick: discuss that with staff okay

[3:49:23] Trustee Patrick: do they need something from us or if they will just uh

[3:49:26] Voice 14: oh absolutely we need a res if we're

[3:49:27] Voice 14: no

[3:49:28] Trustee Patrick: i meant to invite them to the meeting no

[3:49:30] Voice 14: that is standard practice that applicants

[3:49:33] Voice 14: should be

[3:49:33] Voice 14: involved in the meeting that's what i thought okay

[3:49:38] Trustee Patrick: so we need a motion

[3:49:39] Voice 8: but

[3:49:40] Trustee Patrick: lisa we're winging this one i move that the salt spring island local trust committee refer

[3:49:45] Trustee Patrick: for um what do we call this one we don't have a file name for it

[3:49:51] Voice 27: no because it's not the

[3:49:53] Trustee Patrick: 131

[3:49:55] Trustee Patrick: brickworthy road uh alr exclusion application to the advisory planning commission agricultural

[3:50:03] Voice 26: agricultural

[3:50:04] Trustee Patrick: advisory planning commission i'm having a hard time with that um

[3:50:09] Trustee Patrick: Should we say to meet with the applicant?

[3:50:15] Voice 14: Yeah, I mean, if there is specific information that you want the AAPC to provide you or for a specific course of action you want them to take, then to advise them.

[3:50:26] Voice 14: To

[3:50:27] Trustee Patrick: meet with the applicant and to recommend any additional information requirements.

[3:50:41] Trustee Patrick: information needs information required required any additional any request for more information

[3:50:50] Trustee Patrick: or clarify a request for more information something like

[3:50:54] Trustee Patrick: that's right maybe about six

[3:50:56] Trustee Patrick: options what

[3:50:57] Voice 26: what have you got for us lisa i

[3:51:04] Voice 33: have about six options for you

[3:51:08] Voice 33: um that the salt spring island local trust committee refer the 131 brinkworthy road

[3:51:15] Voice 33: agricultural land reserve exclusion application to the agricultural advisory planning commission

[3:51:22] Voice 33: requesting they meet with the applicant and recommend any additional information requirements

[3:51:29] Voice 26: sounds good moved by trustee patrick i'll second the motion any further discussion

[3:51:38] Voice 26: i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries thank you everybody can

[3:51:44] Voice 14: i just i

[3:51:45] Voice 14: I just, Chair, if you don't mind, I'm just going to give a bit of foreshadowing.

[3:51:47] Voice 14: If indeed a site visit takes place, I know from experience that a really awkward dynamic

[3:51:54] Voice 14: develops where if there's a quorum of the commissioners, it is a meeting, but there

[3:51:59] Voice 14: are discussions happening that are not being minuted.

[3:52:01] Voice 14: And so I just want to prepare the applicant that if a staff person comes along from the

[3:52:07] Voice 14: Islands Trust on that site visit, we are constantly going to be telling you to stop, like, telling

[3:52:12] Voice 14: telling the commissioners to stop inducting commission business outside of a

[3:52:16] Voice 14: minute of meeting and that that minute of meeting needs to take place in the

[3:52:20] Voice 14: boardroom.

[3:52:23] Voice 14: Yeah. If it's not, if it's not a forum of commissioners. Yeah.

[3:52:28] Voice 14: As long as, yeah.

[3:52:31] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:52:34] Trustee Patrick: You can always do like a site visit and then go back to the boardroom

[3:52:36] Trustee Patrick: and get into the conversation. So I think that's what

[3:52:48] Voice 26: Okay. Let's continue on then. We have, oh, what have we got? 115, Sheila Page Road.

[3:52:58] Voice 33: Chair Peterson was the, was that motion called?

[3:53:03] Voice 26: Yes, it was carried.

[3:53:06] Voice 33: Thank you.

[3:53:28] Voice 26: I believe

[3:53:29] Voice 14: he should be available there I'm here

[3:53:32] Voice 14: Oh,

[3:53:33] Voice 26: there you are, sir. All right, take it away.

[3:53:36] Voice 35: Are we doing 2232 Fulford Ganges or 115 LePage?

[3:53:43] Voice 25: 2232.

[3:53:44] Voice 35: Okay, perfect. Good afternoon, trustees. I hope everyone's doing well. I know it's been a long day already, so I'll try and make this as fast as possible.

[3:53:55] Voice 35: well um so for this application staff is bringing forward a preliminary staff report for 2232

[3:54:02] Voice 35: fulford ganges road which is seeking to rezone the subject property from agricultural one

[3:54:08] Voice 35: to a one zone variant um so the land is owned by salt spring island farm land trust it was

[3:54:17] Voice 35: acquired as a community amenity contribution in 2009 the portion of the property in question

[3:54:24] Voice 35: There's a facility which is on a 0.3 hectare piece of land, which is a CRD leased portion, and it's owned by the CRD and operated by the Salt Spring Island Abattoir Society.

[3:54:36] Voice 35: society um so the core objective of this application is to amend the land use bylaw to

[3:54:42] Voice 35: to permit the commercial sale of compost off-site with the the current zoning limits compost compost

[3:54:50] Voice 35: used to be strictly um on sold or used on the property um the applicants have indicated that

[3:54:59] Voice 35: the operational scale will remain unchanged and specifically that's processing up to 65 tons of

[3:55:05] Voice 35: organic waste mixed with wood wood shavings annually with no change to the site coverage

[3:55:12] Voice 35: so existing on the um the small portion of of the fence portion is a the composting facility

[3:55:21] Voice 35: a fence solar field water and wash tanks and a sea container the subject property or portions

[3:55:30] Voice 35: of the subject property are designated under dpa4 which is lake streams and wetlands and

[3:55:35] Voice 35: And also DPA 7, which is riparian area protection.

[3:55:38] Voice 35: Currently, no development is being proposed within these DPAs, but any future work inside of them will target a separate development permit application.

[3:55:47] Voice 35: From a policy standpoint, the proposal directly aligns with the Salt Spring Island area farm plan, the 2008 and 2020 renewal.

[3:55:57] Voice 35: renewal. Specifically, key recommendation number three, which is establishing local composting

[3:56:03] Voice 35: facilities, or sorry, composting infrastructure. And goal number two, action 1.3.1, which is

[3:56:10] Voice 35: establishing local facilities at Burgoyne Valley Community Farm to reduce greenhouse gas emissions

[3:56:15] Voice 35: from hauling waste off island and trucking commercial fertilizer on island.

[3:56:19] Voice 35: um staff reviewed and identified no current inconsistencies with um salt spring island ocp

[3:56:27] Voice 35: or the island's trust policy statement directives um some key factors the ltc may want to

[3:56:35] Voice 35: consider in their decision is um from a water resource standpoint which is an itps policy

[3:56:43] Voice 35: 4.4.2. We must ensure land use intensity does not impact fresh water quality or quantity.

[3:56:52] Voice 35: The water is sourced from a on-site reservoir and composter of the, sorry, on top of the

[3:57:00] Voice 35: composter, there's a rainwater collection system. According to the applicants, the current use is

[3:57:07] Voice 35: minimal, which is between 7 and 11 liters per day for cleaning the tractor buckets.

[3:57:13] Voice 35: With the potential expansion only adding a few extra liters per week. Staff have no immediate water availability concerns, but we'll monitor if parameters change.

[3:57:26] Voice 35: Another factor to consider is traffic and access. Commercial sales or transport vehicles may increase traffic along Fulford Ganges Road, and the LTC can request traffic-related data during the application process if necessary.

[3:57:43] Voice 35: Another factor is odor and intensity.

[3:57:46] Voice 35: There have been no complaints logged from this subject property to date,

[3:57:53] Voice 35: but to prevent further expansion issues,

[3:57:56] Voice 35: the LTC could consider some site-specific safeguards as well.

[3:58:00] Voice 35: From a provincial regulation standpoint,

[3:58:05] Voice 35: selling of over 50% of the compost off-farm

[3:58:10] Voice 35: would trigger a Agricultural Land Commission non-farm use application.

[3:58:17] Voice 35: So currently, the operations, all of the compost that's produced is kept on site,

[3:58:25] Voice 35: so they satisfy these parameters.

[3:58:28] Voice 35: But this is something to keep in mind, that if it goes over the 50% threshold,

[3:58:33] Voice 35: they will need a NFU application, non-farm use application.

[3:58:37] Voice 35: Additionally, operations must independently meet Environmental Management Act standards

[3:58:42] Voice 35: as well.

[3:58:44] Voice 35: So for this preliminary staff report, staff recommends that we have two recommendations.

[3:58:52] Voice 35: First one is to direct staff to proceed with the application and prepare a draft amendment

[3:58:58] Voice 35: by-law.

[3:58:59] Voice 35: And recommendation number two is to direct staff to issue early notification to First

[3:59:04] Voice 35: Nations regarding the decision to proceed.

[3:59:10] Voice 27: okay thank you anyone

[3:59:17] Voice 26: from the applicant side today uh

[3:59:21] Voice 35: i did provide the um the information

[3:59:26] Voice 35: that for that it will be heard today and also the zoom link but i didn't get a response so i'm not

[3:59:31] Voice 35: sure if anybody is here to speak to it they might be there in person

[3:59:34] Voice 26: okay great yeah i just wanted

[3:59:36] Voice 26: to check and get that off any of yourself all right uh

[3:59:41] Trustee Patrick: let's see our needs here the operator

[3:59:44] Voice 23: we're not behind the chair but if yeah there's a lot of questions obviously i

[3:59:49] Voice 23: supported um yeah system area etc the 50 was interesting but the

[4:00:00] Voice 23: one step at a time, and the fact that it's located on a 65-acre site

[4:00:05] Voice 23: just was in effect secured by its trust, which has a number of farmers on the site,

[4:00:11] Voice 23: allowed us to get up and running, get the grant funding,

[4:00:18] Voice 23: demonstrate the process, refine the quality of the product,

[4:00:22] Voice 23: and if ever we get to the 50% threshold, there's an additional step to be taken there,

[4:00:28] Voice 23: but the whole approach

[4:00:28] Voice 26: here is to be one step.

[4:00:30] Voice 26: time, I guess.

[4:00:32] Voice 26: I was thinking you brought this to

[4:00:34] Voice 26: just count for

[4:00:36] Voice 26: sponsorship, I believe.

[4:00:38] Voice 26: I mean, most people are.

[4:00:40] Voice 26: So any thoughts,

[4:00:42] Voice 26: Trustee Patrick?

[4:00:43] Voice 26: No,

[4:00:43] Trustee Patrick: I'm not

[4:00:45] Trustee Patrick: worried. I mean, if you reach

[4:00:47] Trustee Patrick: that 50%, that would be a good problem.

[4:00:49] Trustee Patrick: I think you're going to find every

[4:00:51] Trustee Patrick: farmer on this island standing in support

[4:00:53] Trustee Patrick: of that application to the ALC

[4:00:55] Trustee Patrick: and amendments to farms, I think, is

[4:00:57] Trustee Patrick: you

[4:00:57] Voice 18: know, I think

[4:00:58] Trustee Patrick: the risk of

[4:00:59] Trustee Patrick: of that being turned down is probably low, I would hope.

[4:01:03] Trustee Patrick: So no, I think this is, I understand it's been a long,

[4:01:08] Trustee Patrick: slow process to get to where we are

[4:01:10] Trustee Patrick: and if we could produce more material this afternoon,

[4:01:14] Trustee Patrick: it would be, well, so I have no concerns.

[4:01:22] Trustee Patrick: Okay, you can proceed.

[4:01:24] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[4:01:25] Trustee Patrick: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:01:28] Trustee Patrick: committee direct staff to proceed with application PLRZ206-0093

[4:01:36] Trustee Patrick: and to prepare a draft by-law to rezone lot

[4:01:40] Trustee Patrick: to section seven and eight range one south

[4:01:45] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring Island couch and district plan VIP81978.

[4:01:50] Trustee Patrick: Set part in plan VIP87315 to permit commercial composting.

[4:01:58] Voice 26: 2nd motion. Any further discussion? Call the question. All those in favor?

[4:02:04] Voice 26: I'm not sure it's

[4:02:05] Voice 23: the question. There would be a public hearing involved with this little further down the line.

[4:02:14] Voice 26: And I believe there would be further down the line.

[4:02:23] Voice 23: Yeah, that was the question with the previous application about the possibility of waiving,

[4:02:28] Voice 23: and I'm not suggesting, but just as it stands, no, there would be a public hearing.

[4:02:33] Voice 23: Yeah, thanks.

[4:02:36] Voice 14: Yeah, unless the LTC in the coming meetings chooses to waive it.

[4:02:40] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[4:02:43] Trustee Patrick: Okay, and the second motion here, I vote that Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff

[4:02:48] Trustee Patrick: to notify First Nations with treaty and territorial interests on Salt Spring Island

[4:02:53] Trustee Patrick: that application PLRZ20260093 has been received

[4:03:00] Trustee Patrick: and that the local press committee has resolved

[4:03:02] Trustee Patrick: to proceed to file a drafting.

[4:03:06] Trustee Patrick: Second it

[4:03:07] Voice 26: and any further discussion?

[4:03:09] Voice 26: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[4:03:12] Voice 26: All those in favor?

[4:03:13] Voice 26: And that carries.

[4:03:15] Voice 26: And now on to 115 LePage Road,

[4:03:20] Voice 26: page 197 of the agenda.

[4:03:22] Voice 26: And this is plan

[4:03:27] Voice 35: for Tino, I'm going to believe?

[4:03:29] Voice 26: Yes.

[4:03:31] Voice 26: Go ahead.

[4:03:32] Voice 35: All right, perfect.

[4:03:33] Voice 35: So today, staff is bringing forward a staff report for 115 LePage Road,

[4:03:38] Voice 35: which is proposing a development variance permit to reduce the required water body setbacks

[4:03:42] Voice 35: under land use by law number 355 to remediate and replace a malfunctioning septic disposal field and the tanks.

[4:03:50] Voice 35: Specifically, they're seeking to reduce the setback from the natural boundary of a water body

[4:03:56] Voice 35: from 15 meters to 5.5 meters which is section 4.4.1 of the land use bylaw and also to reduce

[4:04:04] Voice 35: the setback from a water body leading into saint mary's lake from 60 meters to 14 meters which is

[4:04:10] Voice 35: section 4.5.1 of the land use bylaw the subject property is 0.5 hectares in size it's zoned a

[4:04:19] Voice 35: rural watershed one and under the land use bylaw or sorry under by the land use bylaw it's currently

[4:04:26] Voice 35: developed with a single family dwelling and it's bisected east to west by a tributary to

[4:04:32] Voice 35: St. Mary's Lake that passes beneath the house via culvert. The existing site is, as mentioned,

[4:04:40] Voice 35: is a very small site and combined with the bisecting creek and adjacent draining ditch,

[4:04:45] Voice 35: it makes it difficult to meet the 60 meter setback requirement. Actually, it makes it

[4:04:51] Voice 35: it's pretty much impossible to meet that requirement on the parcels, given its geography.

[4:04:58] Voice 35: The property falls within DPA 7, which is riparian area protection.

[4:05:04] Voice 35: A concurrent DP application is active, which is supported by a RAPR,

[4:05:09] Voice 35: Riparian Areas Protection Regulation Assessment from AQEP.

[4:05:15] Voice 35: From an OCP standpoint, it aligns with the official community plan watershed and islet residential designation, specifically policies 8.1.1.1, 8.1.1.2, and 8.1.2.5 to protect community drinking water lakes and avoid increased development intensity within the catchments.

[4:05:41] Voice 35: One of the risk factors that the LTC may want to weigh on is water quality protection, but we did request and we did receive a professional engineer's opinion, which confirms that the legacy system is malfunctioning and replacing it with a modern engineered sewer system will significantly reduce environmental risk and protect groundwater and surface water compared to the existing system.

[4:06:10] Voice 35: So for this application, staff's recommendation is to approve the issuance of the Development Variance Permit PLDVP-2026-0306.

[4:06:25] Voice 27: Thank you.

[4:06:26] Voice 26: Is the applicant with us today?

[4:06:31] Voice 35: I don't believe so, and the applicant's agent wasn't able to make it.

[4:06:35] Voice 35: Okay.

[4:06:40] Voice 26: So, trustees, questions, comments?

[4:06:45] Trustee Patrick: this is one compact little site i can't believe a stream going under a house well

[4:06:53] Voice 18: yes i can

[4:06:55] but

[4:06:58] Voice 18: it does um

[4:07:01] Trustee Patrick: my only question i guess there's no other there's no other place to put it

[4:07:07] Trustee Patrick: is my understanding that is the only place it can go

[4:07:11] Voice 35: yeah and uh through the chair sorry um

[4:07:15] Voice 35: That is the only place it can go. And it's also the location of the existing system. So they're using the exact area that currently exists as to not make any more disturbances on the site than necessary.

[4:07:34] Voice 35: Right.

[4:07:37] Voice 26: So it's replacing an older system that's no longer functioning properly with a new system in the same location.

[4:07:49] Voice 35: Correct.

[4:07:50] Voice 35: Okay. Understood.

[4:07:52] Voice 18: Yeah,

[4:07:54] Voice 35: and from my understanding, based on my discussions with the septic engineer, is that the system that's being put in is much more high-tech than the current system, and the chances of any sort of negatives are less than what currently exists with the existing system.

[4:08:20] Voice 35: Well, hopefully

[4:08:31] Trustee Patrick: someday Salisbury will be included in the community's septic system

[4:08:37] Trustee Patrick: maintenance service, because that is, no system works if it's not maintained. So I just,

[4:08:45] Trustee Patrick: I don't think there's any other option with this postage stamp of a property,

[4:08:51] Voice 20: unfortunately.

[4:09:02] Voice 26: Yeah, I mean that's the impression I get reading the report.

[4:09:06] Voice 26: ordinance there is no room is replacing a malfunctioning older system with any system

[4:09:17] Voice 26: whether or not it should have been built there in the first place

[4:09:21] Voice 26: different question

[4:09:24] Trustee Patrick: yes no choice here so i'll move that this all is going on local

[4:09:28] Trustee Patrick: trust committee approved issuance of p l d b p two zero two six zero three zero six

[4:09:35] Voice 26: second motion further discussion not seeing any i'll call the question

[4:09:42] Voice 26: okay well committee i uh think that we should take a bit of a break and then come back and

[4:09:54] Voice 26: tackle the last bit here sure nothing feels that way uh so let's see it's about 2 30. let's come

[4:10:09] Voice 26: back at how about we come back at 2.40 so

[4:10:27] Voice 27: do

[4:25:30] Voice 1: I need to

[4:25:31] Voice 27: we're on right so we are

[4:25:43] Voice 26: coming back from a break we're now into section 16 so we have the OCP LUT update

[4:25:52] Voice 26: update on phase 2.22. Leonard Thicke.

[4:25:59] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair Peterson. Good afternoon.

[4:26:03] Voice 11: This report just presents an overview of some of the background work that's been going on

[4:26:08] Voice 11: on the OCP LEB project, an updated project charter that reflects some of the LTC comments from the

[4:26:14] Voice 11: last meeting where the project charter was initially reviewed, a business case which ties

[4:26:19] Voice 11: into some of the background work discussion for fiscal year 27-28 and there's also a draft

[4:26:25] Voice 11: communications and engagement plan that staff are recommending the LTC refer to the project

[4:26:30] Voice 11: advisory planning commission or committee pardon. Some of the background work that's been going on

[4:26:36] Voice 11: has included updating the gap analysis and technical background documents review to better

[4:26:41] Voice 11: identify some of the missing information that we've started to understand is really required

[4:26:46] Voice 11: required to draft a complete and defensible OCP so this work was already completed by the

[4:26:52] Voice 11: consultants on the projects about eight months ago at this point but it's really just been updated

[4:26:58] Voice 11: and made a little bit more clear and helped us as internal staff really understand what we still

[4:27:06] Voice 11: need to do in order to really kind of understand how we're going to balance you know housing with

[4:27:12] Voice 11: the environment with various development permit areas and all these other things that we're

[4:27:16] Voice 11: starting to understand key aspects of this project.

[4:27:21] Voice 11: So the primary information elements that we've identified as missing really would be a bit

[4:27:26] Voice 11: of a better understanding of freshwater on the island.

[4:27:28] Voice 11: So we're looking to try to mimic the freshwater footprint approach that was taken on Gabriola

[4:27:33] Voice 11: or something similar to that to really understand where housing density is more appropriate

[4:27:40] Voice 11: and better understanding some of the data related to hazard areas,

[4:27:45] Voice 11: things like wildfires, tsunami information, sea level rise,

[4:27:47] Voice 11: those sorts of things.

[4:27:49] Voice 11: So staff are in contact with CRD staff.

[4:27:52] Voice 11: We obtained some of the mapping information related to hazard areas.

[4:27:56] Voice 11: However, we haven't bought that data yet.

[4:27:58] Voice 11: So we actually, within the fiscal year 27-28 business case,

[4:28:04] Voice 11: we have put in a budget request to obtain that data,

[4:28:07] Voice 11: Should the CRD data be not forthcoming or insufficient in some other way?

[4:28:11] Voice 11: We're hoping we can continue to coordinate with CRD staff to obtain their mapping information

[4:28:16] Voice 11: and use that to reduce that budget request if possible.

[4:28:22] Voice 11: It's also worth noting that the technical background documents review may further be updated.

[4:28:27] Voice 11: We may add additional documents should the LCC note that something is missing,

[4:28:31] Voice 11: or perhaps the PAPC as well, take a look at that and say,

[4:28:35] Voice 11: oh there's been some studies or some other information that's been put out that should

[4:28:38] Voice 11: be reviewed. The updated project charter has been prepared, is attached to the reports.

[4:28:45] Voice 11: Business case as well has been prepared, is attached to the report for LTC review and

[4:28:49] Voice 11: endorsements. The communications engagement plan is also attached to the reports.

[4:28:54] Voice 11: As noted, staff recommend referring this to the PAPC for comment. So next steps in the project

[4:28:59] Voice 11: would include endorsement of the communications engagement plan following PABC review,

[4:29:05] Voice 11: hoping to continue to move the fiscal year 27-28 business case forward, and looking to begin

[4:29:12] Voice 11: developing materials for the engagement events that are scheduled to begin following the upcoming

[4:29:16] Voice 11: election. If there's any questions, happy to speak to that. Actually, there's one other thing I should

[4:29:23] Voice 11: note uh as I'm leaving um the project will likely be led by Nerissa Chadwick uh starting in the next

[4:29:30] Voice 11: little while um I believe Nerissa is actually standing by on meeting the other person that

[4:29:35] Voice 11: is standing by on the meeting is Mary Storzer she's the regional planning manager so they may

[4:29:40] Voice 11: if we need to they can jump in to answer any further questions as well I just want to

[4:29:45] Voice 11: introduce them and let the LTC know that they would be on the meeting as well

[4:29:48] Voice 11: Okay, I

[4:29:50] Voice 26: appreciate that, let's go on

[4:29:52] Voice 27: the line.

[4:29:56] Voice 27: Okay, trustees, go ahead.

[4:30:00] Trustee Patrick: I have very little to say because it's no longer going to be a project that I get to be involved in.

[4:30:05] Trustee Patrick: But I do have about the water and my concerns with just following what Gabriela,

[4:30:10] Trustee Patrick: Gabriela is a very different island than what we are.

[4:30:14] Trustee Patrick: But the freshwater footprint in Gabriela came to the conclusion that the village site was full.

[4:30:19] Trustee Patrick: Nothing else could be added.

[4:30:21] Trustee Patrick: Let's put the housing over here and leave the village over here.

[4:30:25] Trustee Patrick: We can't do that on this island.

[4:30:28] Trustee Patrick: If we're going to put housing in the village, a freshwater footprint is not going to help us figure out the water solutions for the future of this island.

[4:30:39] Trustee Patrick: That is working with the CRD, the North Salt Spring Water Service, infrastructure providers to really look at how do we get water into the village where we want to put the people.

[4:30:54] Trustee Patrick: So I just really want to warn us that while we've learned a lot on Gabriola and updating the way they've done their OCP,

[4:31:04] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring, like it or not, has a little bit of an urban flair to it with its village that is going to need a different approach than just the freshwater footprint.

[4:31:14] Trustee Patrick: So if we spend all this time doing freshwater footprint, I can tell you it's going to say there's no water for Ganshee's Village.

[4:31:22] Trustee Patrick: let's jump to the conclusion um yeah everybody's saying that's where we need to put the housing

[4:31:28] Trustee Patrick: and um you know if we put the housing where the water is that means the big lobe of the island

[4:31:34] Trustee Patrick: that hasn't been developed yet and i think from an environmental perspective we're going no that's

[4:31:39] Trustee Patrick: not where we like i want to put housing down in isabella point we want to put housing in ganges

[4:31:45] Trustee Patrick: And so that's my only thing is caution there as we move forward with taking what we learned

[4:31:55] Trustee Patrick: from Gabriela but realizing Salt Spring is going to be an integrated approach with the

[4:32:01] Trustee Patrick: infrastructure providers or utility providers to really come up with a long-term viable

[4:32:07] Trustee Patrick: a solution for making Ganges work for the housing that we need. We can't abandon the village.

[4:32:22] Trustee Patrick: It's just not going to work. So that's my only warning. Investing a lot of time and energy into

[4:32:29] Trustee Patrick: the freshwater footprint when we may need to look at do we have density where it doesn't belong

[4:32:34] Trustee Patrick: to begin with. I would hope that, you know, candidates are going to deal with some of that

[4:32:40] Trustee Patrick: D word, down zoning. We may have density where it doesn't belong, and we're going to have to

[4:32:45] Trustee Patrick: look at how to put density where it belongs with some innovation.

[4:32:56] Voice 26: Other than

[4:32:59] Trustee Patrick: that, you know, and

[4:33:00] Trustee Patrick: we have to solve the staffing situation, or how Salt Spring is going to have staffing working on

[4:33:07] Trustee Patrick: a project of this nature. We thought we had solved it by saying, okay, if you're hiring a consultant,

[4:33:15] Trustee Patrick: the consultant is going to provide that. Well, that didn't work. So we've got

[4:33:19] Voice 8: to figure out how

[4:33:20] Voice 8: to

[4:33:20] Trustee Patrick: resource a project of this nature so it can get finished, started, finished, then to the end

[4:33:29] Trustee Patrick: on this island

[4:33:33] Trustee Patrick: that's

[4:33:34] Trustee Patrick: that's got to be solved

[4:33:35] Trustee Patrick: I think the pieces are all there

[4:33:40] Trustee Patrick: the lessons are all there other than

[4:33:42] Trustee Patrick: salt spring

[4:33:43] Trustee Patrick: not quite Gabriel

[4:33:45] Trustee Patrick: oh

[4:33:51] Voice 27: and the other

[4:33:54] Trustee Patrick: I asked before

[4:33:55] Trustee Patrick: have we I suggested that staff

[4:33:58] Trustee Patrick: look at learning about

[4:33:59] Trustee Patrick: the steering committee approach that Bowman

[4:34:02] Trustee Patrick: took that's been quite successful

[4:34:04] Trustee Patrick: have we looked into it

[4:34:05] Trustee Patrick: or do i need to make a resolution asking that we look into it so

[4:34:11] Voice 11: the chair i can answer that

[4:34:12] Voice 11: question i did have a conversation with the uh manager of planning on bone islands a few months

[4:34:17] Voice 11: ago at this point and he kind of gave me a bit of a list as to some of the things that they did

[4:34:23] Voice 11: that were helpful i'm happy to forward that to you well i think it's

[4:34:27] Trustee Patrick: more is there an opportunity

[4:34:31] Trustee Patrick: to apply some of that with a steering committee environment

[4:34:36] Trustee Patrick: like they had on Bowen work on Salt Spring?

[4:34:41] Voice 11: Yeah, I think some of the things that were mentioned

[4:34:43] Voice 11: by the manager of planning from Bowen are definitely applicable here.

[4:34:46] Voice 11: I think there's a need for some fairly strong leadership from staff

[4:34:53] Voice 11: and project management and those kinds of things,

[4:34:54] Voice 11: which I think would really help PAHC out.

[4:34:57] Voice 11: um i kind of see the phc is taking a bit of a steering committee role almost within the

[4:35:03] Voice 11: their terms of reference um i don't know of any other uh committee that would have as strong

[4:35:10] Voice 11: and if an influence uh on on the kind of direction and shape of the ocp forward yeah

[4:35:17] Trustee Patrick: but i think the

[4:35:18] Trustee Patrick: difference there is they had staff person was a member of the steering committee as well so

[4:35:23] Trustee Patrick: So there were a member at the table, not just a supporting role.

[4:35:28] Trustee Patrick: And one consular was a member of the committee.

[4:35:34] Trustee Patrick: So that was a different structure of the committee.

[4:35:36] Trustee Patrick: So it's not just a group of people that are independent now that got strong support from staff and at least one elected person functioning on the committee.

[4:35:48] Trustee Patrick: Anyway, so that's who should be on it.

[4:35:50] Trustee Patrick: So if that information is being shared, I think it would be nice to see it really make it work.

[4:35:58] Trustee Patrick: And because I think that sounds like Bowman Steering Committee made a big difference in them finishing their project this term.

[4:36:14] Voice 27: Yeah, well, I'll just chime

[4:36:17] Voice 26: in on that a little bit.

[4:36:18] Voice 26: that's certainly the my island a lot smaller but nonetheless the community association

[4:36:27] Voice 26: put together a steering committee a lot of a lot of the background work which would have been

[4:36:32] Voice 26: extremely difficult to have resourced through the official through the ltc really good work and i

[4:36:44] Voice 26: I know that talking about it on Galeano just this week,

[4:36:49] Voice 26: looking at their next round of OTP review,

[4:36:54] Voice 26: that's how they did their last round.

[4:36:58] Voice 26: So a lot of interest in that again.

[4:37:02] Voice 26: I think that question of how the LTC could provide

[4:37:12] Voice 26: direct support to those groups is really important.

[4:37:18] Voice 26: that staff time, whether it's local elected folks, and how we can help provide resources to those

[4:37:29] Voice 26: groups which actually in the long run saves money and staff time and produces better results in

[4:37:40] Voice 26: terms of the broader community involvement in the process.

[4:37:46] Trustee Patrick: Well I know the Bowman Steering Committee,

[4:37:48] Trustee Patrick: They weren't the authors, but they had an active voice in the drafts that were brought to them.

[4:37:55] Trustee Patrick: I think that's the difference.

[4:37:56] Trustee Patrick: And I know we don't want to have independent groups going off and writing sections.

[4:38:02] Trustee Patrick: I've been there, done that on this island.

[4:38:04] Trustee Patrick: This is really about a good, rounded group responding to the drafts that are being brought to them.

[4:38:13] Trustee Patrick: And by having the staff and potentially an elected voice at the table, it helps kind of bring sometimes the comments back in, you know, from who to who.

[4:38:25] Trustee Patrick: So

[4:38:26] Voice 26: that whatever reporting comes out of those groups is actually usable and usable.

[4:38:34] Voice 26: Yeah.

[4:38:35] Voice 26: Yeah.

[4:38:36] Trustee Patrick: So anyway, it's not going to be my problem, but I really hope we can implement that and

[4:38:42] Trustee Patrick: continue to learn.

[4:38:43] Voice 18: I have

[4:38:50] Trustee Patrick: really very little comments. The comment I made about the freshwater

[4:38:56] Trustee Patrick: footprint in the, I know we put into, you've integrated in the, in here, but I'm, I am

[4:39:04] Trustee Patrick: concerned when I hear the report, you know, we've already said we're going to have to deal,

[4:39:07] Trustee Patrick: I understand we have to deal with water. We have water budget work here that was far more extensive

[4:39:12] Trustee Patrick: than any of the other islands that was done by the province back in 2017, the water budget work that

[4:39:18] Trustee Patrick: was done. And that we look, you know, yes, I agree, water is a big deal. Don't get me wrong,

[4:39:27] Trustee Patrick: water is a big deal. And I know we did the technical working group through SWPA last

[4:39:38] Trustee Patrick: last term did quite a bit of work on the accessory dwelling unit issues in water. So a lot of

[4:39:44] Trustee Patrick: that's been done. Never saw the light of day at the local press committee, but it was done

[4:39:50] Trustee Patrick: in a technical group there. And like I said, we've got this infrastructure issue that is

[4:39:57] Trustee Patrick: bigger and beyond per fresh water footprint issue that needs to get kicked off early.

[4:40:07] Trustee Patrick: early. Those are the two questions. The LCC is doing their housing strategy. It's like

[4:40:13] Trustee Patrick: they're again coming to the conclusion, let's put our housing into Ganges. How many housing

[4:40:17] Trustee Patrick: units can be put in Ganges? And if we want to put more, what are the infrastructure steps

[4:40:23] Trustee Patrick: to get there?

[4:40:25] Voice 18: Who leads

[4:40:26] Trustee Patrick: those studies and looks at the alternatives and all of those

[4:40:31] Trustee Patrick: those things. Those are big, long-term, multi-year projects to look at infrastructure at this

[4:40:40] Trustee Patrick: scale. I just don't, every year we delay, another

[4:40:46] Voice 20: year, nothing's starting.

[4:40:51] Voice 26: Okay, so, sorry, go ahead.

[4:40:54] Voice 14: Chair, I just wanted to note that I believe Planner Chadwick is seeking an opportunity

[4:40:58] Voice 14: to respond.

[4:41:00] Voice 14: Oh,

[4:41:00] Voice 26: go ahead, Planner Chadwick.

[4:41:02] Voice 26: way.

[4:41:05] Voice 1: Yeah, thanks, Chair. I just wanted to, well,

[4:41:08] Voice 1: one, introduce myself to the community, because I will be

[4:41:12] Voice 1: managing this project for a period of time, and we will have

[4:41:16] Voice 1: another staff person on the project

[4:41:19] Voice 1: as well. I just wanted to speak to three

[4:41:23] Voice 1: points brought up by Trustee Patrick

[4:41:27] Voice 1: with respect to the freshwater footprint. From a staff perspective,

[4:41:31] Voice 1: perspective, when we can get the data, getting data is a great thing. And the data is used in

[4:41:38] Voice 1: all different ways in the context within which we are using it. And so in the case of Salt Spring,

[4:41:44] Voice 1: certainly Salt Spring is a different island than Gabriola. And there are all kinds of

[4:41:49] Voice 1: considerations and priorities and different other factors that would influence any kind of decision

[4:41:56] Voice 1: decision-making around where you are adding additional density, et cetera.

[4:42:00] Voice 1: So it's certainly not going to be the only piece of data that we would be

[4:42:06] Voice 1: looking at to put forward to the LTC to make their decisions.

[4:42:14] Voice 1: We've had a great opportunity with the Gabriola project to learn a lot about

[4:42:21] Voice 1: how we use data, how we engage community and so forth.

[4:42:26] Voice 1: we um on this on the staffing question um the islands trust has moved to a different model

[4:42:33] Voice 1: um within the last few years um and and the gabriola project and the denman island housing

[4:42:39] Voice 1: project and there's been a few other smaller ones that have benefited from from this um we now have

[4:42:44] Voice 1: a team um and i think this team is really um um being solidified more now we've got uh we will

[4:42:52] Voice 1: We'll have it fully staffed once we have our additional staff person on this project.

[4:42:58] Voice 1: And so it's a different model than what's been experienced in the past.

[4:43:03] Voice 1: And what we have experienced with Gabriel is that it has led to efficiencies.

[4:43:08] Voice 1: So Salt Spring is going to be able to benefit from that as well.

[4:43:13] Voice 1: In addition, just speaking to the steering committee idea, absolutely.

[4:43:18] Voice 1: We want to make sure that we move forward with engaging the community in the best way possible.

[4:43:23] Voice 1: And this is why we are going to be working with your PPAC, your Advisory Planning Commission.

[4:43:35] Voice 1: We're going to be having a meeting with them soon around the communications engagement plan.

[4:43:41] Voice 1: So, you know, we're hoping that, you know, that we've got people on the island that'll be able to provide some ideas around what the best, what they consider the best approaches.

[4:43:53] Voice 1: And also we've got our, we've got what we've learned from Gabriela also to sort of lend to that conversation.

[4:43:58] Voice 1: So looking forward to it, I think it'll, yeah, it'll be, it'll be, it'll move forward effectively as soon as we get going, I think.

[4:44:12] Voice 27: Okay, thank you.

[4:44:15] Voice 13: um chair might i just add a little bit

[4:44:17] Voice 1: to what nurse has

[4:44:18] Voice 13: said um really want to echo what

[4:44:20] Voice 13: nurse has um said there and in addition to expert like having this new approach in terms of this

[4:44:26] Voice 13: regional planning team um over the past couple of years we've even made further refinements which i

[4:44:31] Voice 13: think trustee patrick has has been a bit um exposed to through the regional planning committee um in

[4:44:36] Voice 13: terms of really solidifying and even taking the lessons learned out of that that experience but

[4:44:42] Voice 13: but trying to apply it, try to make adjustments that help us,

[4:44:46] Voice 13: which really I think speaks to the ability for Narissa, for example,

[4:44:50] Voice 13: to be able to step in so quickly and with myself also providing some level

[4:44:55] Voice 13: of oversight over all of the planning work.

[4:44:57] Voice 13: So I just wanted to add that additional context for you.

[4:45:03] Voice 26: I appreciate that.

[4:45:06] Voice 26: Dr. Patrick?

[4:45:07] Trustee Patrick: Well, no, I'm glad.

[4:45:09] Trustee Patrick: I mean, this team was established at the end of last term,

[4:45:12] Trustee Patrick: but it didn't work it didn't apply to salt spring so i'm glad we finally figured out how to make

[4:45:16] Trustee Patrick: this team apply to salt spring so thank you because salt spring needs a team um so thanks

[4:45:29] Voice 26: so anything let's go through these one at a time anything specific on the project charter

[4:45:37] Voice 26: I think,

[4:45:40] Trustee Patrick: for the most part, the changes recommended by the next team has been sort this out.

[4:45:49] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[4:45:51] Voice 26: And then likewise, the business case,

[4:45:57] Voice 18: again, you know, hopefully they've got sufficient

[4:46:02] Voice 18: funds.

[4:46:06] Voice 26: And then finally, the communications and engagement plan, so that's fine.

[4:46:13] Voice 26: All right, so are we ready to move with this recommendation?

[4:46:17] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[4:46:18] Trustee Patrick: Moved that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[4:46:20] Trustee Patrick: endorse the project charter attached to the report

[4:46:23] Trustee Patrick: titled OCB Lending By-law from update dated August 27, 2026

[4:46:29] Trustee Patrick: as attachment one.

[4:46:31] Voice 26: Second the motion.

[4:46:33] Voice 26: Any further discussion?

[4:46:35] Voice 26: I'll call the question.

[4:46:36] Voice 26: All those in favor?

[4:46:38] Voice 26: Carries.

[4:46:39] Trustee Patrick: Moved that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[4:46:41] Trustee Patrick: be endorsed the business case for fiscal year 2027-28 for the OCP land use bylaw update project

[4:46:49] Trustee Patrick: attached to the report titled OCP land use bylaw project update dated August 27, 2026 with attachment

[4:46:57] Trustee Patrick: to the book.

[4:46:58] Voice 26: Second the motion. Any discussion? All the questions, all those in favor? Carried.

[4:47:05] Voice 26: I'm

[4:47:05] Trustee Patrick: going to consult with the local trust committee, refer the communications engagement plan for the

[4:47:10] Trustee Patrick: OCP land use bylaw update project attached to the report titled OCP land use bylaw project update

[4:47:16] Trustee Patrick: dated August 27, 2026 is attachment three to the project advisory planning commission.

[4:47:22] Voice 26: Second motion. Any further discussion? Call the question. All those in favor?

[4:47:31] Voice 26: Next, we have item 16.2, starting on page 75.

[4:47:42] I'm

[4:47:44] Voice 26: wondering, Thicke, are you taking this up?

[4:47:48] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[4:47:50] Voice 11: It's a very straightforward report that responds to a resolution made by the FNC at their June 11th meeting.

[4:47:56] Voice 25: I

[4:47:56] Voice 11: really examined some options for accommodating community care and transition housing facilities in the Land Use By-law.

[4:48:03] Voice 11: The staff basically found support for adding these things into the Land Use By-law, both at a provincial legislation level and in trust policy within the Salt Lake Island OCP.

[4:48:13] Voice 11: The one thing that is worth noting is that community care facilities are actually permitted already within provincial legislation, even though that's not formally acknowledged in our Land Use By-law.

[4:48:24] Voice 11: it's something that's at a provincial level is permitted so that effectively supersedes our land

[4:48:31] Voice 11: use bylaw and so those uses as permitted in provincial legislation are permitted in lands

[4:48:36] Voice 11: in particular zones on South Spring Island already however should the LTC wish to report

[4:48:42] Voice 11: of adding these permissions in the land use bylaw staff are happy to work to prepare an

[4:48:46] Voice 11: amendment that provides appropriate definitions permits the uses in zones that permit residential

[4:48:51] Voice 11: uses and establishes any supporting regulations such as parking or screening and those kinds of

[4:48:57] Voice 11: things for LTC review of an upcoming meeting. Thank you.

[4:49:05] Trustee Patrick: Comments? Well, I think staff will

[4:49:08] Trustee Patrick: report very much. I think we're overworking it a little bit. We have like two of these things

[4:49:18] Trustee Patrick: on the island and probably never have more maybe one more so i think i think getting it as a

[4:49:25] Trustee Patrick: permitted use is what's the priority of you know allowing it

[4:49:29] Voice 18: in the

[4:49:30] Trustee Patrick: permitted use section um and

[4:49:34] Trustee Patrick: i think you deal with the issues that come up through the building referral process if another

[4:49:38] Trustee Patrick: one of these pops up um i think the agencies that operate these like bi-wave and community services

[4:49:46] Trustee Patrick: know that they need to be good neighbors and work with people with all of those things.

[4:49:51] Trustee Patrick: And as far as the definitions, it referred to my way this morning of what they thought

[4:49:57] Trustee Patrick: a definition from a community care facility perspective, I think probably having staff

[4:50:02] Trustee Patrick: talk to community services to understand how they operate the house that they have

[4:50:08] Trustee Patrick: have them as well in the definition.

[4:50:13] Trustee Patrick: So I think a definition for each of them

[4:50:15] Trustee Patrick: is a good thing to do and can deal with the number issue

[4:50:20] Trustee Patrick: through that.

[4:50:21] Trustee Patrick: And I don't think politically, I think

[4:50:23] Trustee Patrick: I'd say go talk to the people that operate them,

[4:50:25] Trustee Patrick: make sure the definitions give them the flexibility

[4:50:28] Trustee Patrick: that they need to operate.

[4:50:31] Trustee Patrick: But I'd say stop short.

[4:50:33] Trustee Patrick: So I support A and B. I'd say stop short.

[4:50:35] Trustee Patrick: I don't think we need to spend, develop a lot of regulations on something that may or may not be built and are so rare.

[4:50:48] Trustee Patrick: The floodgate issue, it's a rare, I think, building permits and licensing.

[4:50:56] Trustee Patrick: You know, there's both building permits and licensing through the province for these facilities.

[4:51:00] Trustee Patrick: There's so much control already that we're not going to help it.

[4:51:08] Trustee Patrick: So that's how I feel. But I do appreciate it being here, and I think timing is important. I don't think we can wait. I think

[4:51:16] Trustee Patrick: it needs

[4:51:18] Voice 20: to proceed fairly quickly.

[4:51:34] Voice 26: Resolution has your outline.

[4:51:37] Voice 26: Yeah, I guess we have here for

[4:51:38] Voice 18: staff. Does that make sense?

[4:51:48] Voice 14: generally makes sense but the two issues that it raises are related to resourcing of course

[4:51:58] Voice 14: which is i think this is now the third time i've said to this meeting we are currently

[4:52:03] Voice 14: we are very shortly going to be down two planners to to take on this work and as you noted previously

[4:52:08] Voice 14: there's 16 current rezoning applications got a major ocp project there's all sorts of work

[4:52:14] Voice 14: currently in play. Additionally, the LTC currently has a full complement of projects and while

[4:52:25] Voice 14: minimal effort is required to proceed on the path that the trustees have identified so far,

[4:52:31] Voice 14: it still would constitute a minor project and so my only real concern about that is coming up with

[4:52:39] Voice 14: the nominal amount of money that would be required to either run an ad and host a public hearing for

[4:52:45] Voice 14: the bylaw when it's developed, or to run an ad saying we're going to waive the public hearing.

[4:52:52] Voice 14: Leave that, I mean, just leave that with me to sort out how we can do that.

[4:52:56] Voice 14: My primary concern is really one around staff resources to throw at this.

[4:53:00] Voice 14: So I recommend probably that you make the resolutions and we will do our best to

[4:53:06] Voice 14: accommodate them but if it in the in the time frame that that you're looking to see it but if it

[4:53:12] Voice 14: can't happen please be accepting of the fact that it's it's for a good reason

[4:53:20] Trustee Patrick: well i know um but this is i would hope that maybe i'll raise this table but

[4:53:27] Trustee Patrick: you know salt spring is i i don't think we have these houses on any other islands which is great

[4:53:34] Trustee Patrick: maybe we have no violence and issues of this nature on other islands but um this is a necessary

[4:53:43] Trustee Patrick: item um and we heard from the agency that provides these the timing this needs to be resolved

[4:53:53] Trustee Patrick: quite quickly um and so and we've known about it i know it wasn't you but they had met previous

[4:54:04] Trustee Patrick: previous regional planning manager and was told that the solution is quite simple.

[4:54:09] Trustee Patrick: So it's been almost a year already, and here we are.

[4:54:14] Trustee Patrick: So I'll make a motion, and then I think we can, you know,

[4:54:19] Trustee Patrick: I'll raise it at an executive meeting that Salt Spring needs to be able to respond

[4:54:25] Trustee Patrick: to community need of these types of facilities that are necessary.

[4:54:32] Trustee Patrick: necessary. This isn't even affordable housing, this is dire housing. And so important. I've

[4:54:43] Trustee Patrick: been in facilities, I've seen them, and we

[4:54:47] Voice 27: need them.

[4:54:52] Voice 14: Maybe I'll just make one more note that in terms of the timing on this, just sort of

[4:54:59] Voice 14: forecasting forward, we have an established process when it comes to amending the land

[4:55:03] Voice 14: use bylaw. And that process has been developed, you know, over the course of lessons learned for

[4:55:08] Voice 14: many, many years of doing it. And it is that process that often creates long timelines. So

[4:55:15] Voice 14: the trustees are just going to have to sort of put your political priority hats on if this bylaw

[4:55:20] Voice 14: comes to you and make some decisions about does it get referred to First Nations? Does it get

[4:55:25] Voice 14: referred to agencies? Because that's where time sort of slips away potentially and waiting for

[4:55:32] Voice 14: feedback and incorporating that feedback so um if you want to move quickly it's going to be

[4:55:37] Voice 14: incumbent upon upon not just us but on on you guys as well to make a process move quickly

[4:55:47] Trustee Patrick: i'm with the salt spanish trust committee request data for care land use by the amendment to define

[4:55:52] Trustee Patrick: community care facility and transition housing and permit these uses in zones that permit

[4:55:58] Trustee Patrick: residential uses

[4:55:59] Voice 26: second the motion to me in further discussion seeing any i'll call the

[4:56:05] Voice 26: question almost in favor curious thank you

[4:56:12] Voice 27: okay just one

[4:56:24] Voice 26: of those is coming through

[4:56:27] Voice 25: the

[4:56:28] Voice 25: the Director of Financial Employee Services,

[4:56:32] Voice 26: and

[4:56:39] Voice 26: staff on this.

[4:56:41] Voice 26: Yeah, just bear with me for a moment here.

[4:56:47] Voice 26: Interesting.

[4:56:48] Voice 26: Pretty good landscape, hey?

[4:56:52] Voice 14: Sorry, it's been a little while now

[4:56:53] Voice 14: since I turned my mind to this.

[4:56:57] Voice 14: This was given to us by the Director of Financial Services.

[4:57:03] Voice 14: Finance and Employee Services, as essentially a template that originally reflected an estimation of the LTCs operating based on previous years.

[4:57:19] Voice 14: And so the only tweak that I made to this was around the cost of running APC, AAPC, and these days PAPC meetings.

[4:57:28] Voice 14: We are incurring quite a bit higher costs than we previously did insofar as we're having more of those meetings.

[4:57:37] Voice 14: And the minute taking now for those meetings is happening through a contract minute taker rather than happening in-house.

[4:57:45] Voice 14: And so the costs associated with that are higher than where they've been in previous years.

[4:57:51] Voice 14: So I'm just recommending that you round that number up considerably to reflect what we anticipate it will actually cost if advisory commission meetings are held with the frequency that they potentially could be.

[4:58:08] Voice 26: Okay, so you, in other words, that those considerations haven't been, aren't reflected in the report from us?

[4:58:19] Voice 14: They are. Sorry. It's mostly to say that in the Excel spreadsheet sort of snip that it is attached as attachment one, the line item for APC meeting expenses, you'll see that in previous fiscal years, it was numbers like $400, $1,200, $1,100.

[4:58:40] Voice 14: hundred dollars um this year there was an approved budget of 590 dollars which i believe we are

[4:58:46] Voice 14: already have already exceeded several times several

[4:58:50] Voice 14: times over by the frequency of meetings

[4:58:52] Voice 14: that we've had so this is just an attempt to the

[4:58:54] Voice 26: number here reflects what votes what because

[4:58:57] Voice 26: yeah okay comments

[4:59:07] Trustee Patrick: well the only thing missing i mean in the past we've been carrying

[4:59:10] Trustee Patrick: we said one trustee going to abicc and bcm i'm wondering if we said we were to add budget

[4:59:18] Trustee Patrick: not number in here but i'd say two two

[4:59:21] Trustee Patrick: trustees to go to abicc and then the if that does go into

[4:59:25] Trustee Patrick: the budget the local trustees could decide they have not one to go to the icc you know they can

[4:59:31] Trustee Patrick: use the budget correct differently but i'd say i think salt spring be its complexity in size that

[4:59:40] Trustee Patrick: that trustees would benefit going to the AVICC convention.

[4:59:45] Voice 25: And

[4:59:45] Trustee Patrick: then the two of them could decide,

[4:59:48] Trustee Patrick: or three of them, sorry,

[4:59:49] Trustee Patrick: they'd want to use that for two conventions, one person,

[4:59:54] Trustee Patrick: that type of thing.

[4:59:57] Trustee Patrick: So that would be my way.

[5:00:00] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- And I can

[5:00:00] Voice 25: be to double that first line, and I

[5:00:05] Trustee Patrick: think it was, I think it was a separate item, I think, if we just said add to the cost for to trustees to go to the ICC I think.

[5:00:12] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Director coburn coburn has a number of values were like you see

[5:00:16] Voice 18: right so they

[5:00:18] Voice 18: can just we don't have to tell them about dollar things.

[5:00:21] Voice 18: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Okay,

[5:00:23] Voice 25: so it sounds like it'd be a street motion yeah

[5:00:26] Voice 18: let

[5:00:28] Trustee Patrick: me throw that on the floor sure.

[5:00:29] Trustee Patrick: I move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee add to the proposed WRAP 2027-28

[5:00:45] Trustee Patrick: Local Trust Committee operating budget a sub-line item for trustee expense for two trustees

[5:00:59] Trustee Patrick: to attend ABI-CC.

[5:01:03] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[5:01:05] Voice 26: Check in.

[5:01:06] Voice 26: Lisa, did you get that?

[5:01:08] Voice 33: Yes, Chair Peterson, I have that.

[5:01:11] Voice 26: thank you i will second the motion then uh any further discussion we'll call the question

[5:01:17] Voice 26: office in favor is that curious it's the recommendation as

[5:01:25] Voice 27: amended okay

[5:01:27] Trustee Patrick: sure i knew

[5:01:28] Trustee Patrick: that the south ground local trust may submit the proposed draft 2027-28 local press committee

[5:01:33] Trustee Patrick: operating budget uh as amended for inclusion in the trust council draft 2728 budget

[5:01:43] Voice 26: second motion and a discussion all the questions all those in favor

[5:01:49] Voice 26: okay on to your favorite the post pilot project

[5:02:00] Voice 26: everybody street 19.

[5:02:02] Voice 18: yeah i won't take a lot of

[5:02:03] Trustee Patrick: time on this because um you know

[5:02:07] Trustee Patrick: writing some of them busy all staff are but i think if we can find a way to implement such a

[5:02:12] Trustee Patrick: I think it actually would make their lives easier.

[5:02:15] Trustee Patrick: This is my frustration,

[5:02:16] Trustee Patrick: future projects list only includes things

[5:02:19] Trustee Patrick: that are politically put on it.

[5:02:22] Trustee Patrick: And those things can come from a variety of situations

[5:02:28] Trustee Patrick: and without the context and so forth,

[5:02:31] Trustee Patrick: they kind of lose value over time.

[5:02:33] Trustee Patrick: And I think the, you know, this morning,

[5:02:35] Trustee Patrick: we had the Dave Carroll's correspondence of five years ago,

[5:02:39] Trustee Patrick: they raised

[5:02:41] Trustee Patrick: an opportunity to

[5:02:43] Trustee Patrick: look at the dock

[5:02:46] Trustee Patrick: sizes. He did

[5:02:48] Trustee Patrick: his homework. He followed the paperwork.

[5:02:49] Trustee Patrick: We sent it to Regional Planning

[5:02:51] Trustee Patrick: Committee. It went to Regional Planning

[5:02:54] Trustee Patrick: Committee. It was discussed at Regional Planning Committee

[5:02:55] Trustee Patrick: and then the trail stopped.

[5:02:58] Trustee Patrick: And Director Cermak told us

[5:03:00] Trustee Patrick: it didn't stop there. It's on

[5:03:02] Trustee Patrick: the staff's

[5:03:07] Trustee Patrick: internal tracking

[5:03:08] Trustee Patrick: sheet or something.

[5:03:09] Trustee Patrick: and that it wasn't a priority of the local trust committee.

[5:03:12] Trustee Patrick: Well, it won't be a priority of the local trust committee

[5:03:14] Trustee Patrick: because we don't get visibility to staff's local tracking information.

[5:03:19] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's what the difference that I'm looking at

[5:03:23] Trustee Patrick: is that the future projects list,

[5:03:25] Trustee Patrick: one, it doesn't need to be in our every agenda package taking space

[5:03:30] Trustee Patrick: because we don't go through projects that quickly.

[5:03:34] Trustee Patrick: But boy, at the time when we are setting priorities,

[5:03:37] Trustee Patrick: The beginning of a term and every year for budget planning is a good time to stop and look at everything that needs to be done.

[5:03:46] Trustee Patrick: What did we learn through legal, you know, evolving interpretations?

[5:03:50] Trustee Patrick: All of these things have trigger effects on our, you know, our priority projects or how what we need to be doing.

[5:04:00] Trustee Patrick: And I think if we had a robust, transparent list of issues that once a year staff went through and did a housekeeping on and went through and said, oh, these things should just be moved off the list, no longer relevant, or you know what, this one is important, or we need more information to even know what this is.

[5:04:20] Trustee Patrick: and then trustees could be having a conversation from an informed list and the community there

[5:04:27] Trustee Patrick: everything's transparent you know the laundry list of things that need to be improved on our

[5:04:32] Trustee Patrick: land use bylaw is public um you know that's the public would be more sympathetic to our resource

[5:04:40] Trustee Patrick: needs if they saw the list of how big it is where the future projects list is partitioned so that

[5:04:47] Trustee Patrick: That's really what I'm getting at.

[5:04:50] Trustee Patrick: I don't mean to be prescriptive here.

[5:04:52] Trustee Patrick: Staff need to look at how to make it better.

[5:04:57] Trustee Patrick: I just think Salt Springs is an area where we would benefit from this.

[5:05:01] Trustee Patrick: So the motion is just about a feasibility assessment

[5:05:04] Trustee Patrick: that we're taking on looking at this following.

[5:05:11] Trustee Patrick: CEO Broney suggested this motion,

[5:05:13] Voice 18: motion.

[5:05:16] Voice 20: And I have no expectation that it's going to go further than this, because it's a paper it's written on, but it's the

[5:05:27] Trustee Patrick: end of the term, and I felt I had to get it off my chest. So I can make the motion.

[5:05:33] Trustee Patrick: I know that the SALTSPAN and local trust committee request staff to provide a feasibility assessment considering the operational and preliminary implementation options for the replacement of a future project list with a planning issues registry as the primary tool to identifying and evaluating future planning.

[5:05:52] Voice 26: Second the motion.

[5:05:53] Voice 26: Any further discussion?

[5:05:56] Voice 26: All in favor?

[5:05:57] Voice 26: All those in favor, yes.

[5:06:01] Voice 26: Okay, and then we did add a new item

[5:06:04] Voice 26: to based on the correspondence on page 31.

[5:06:10] Voice 26: Paris, do you want to come with us?

[5:06:13] Voice 26: I did.

[5:06:16] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, keep talking.

[5:06:18] Trustee Patrick: I had a brief conversation with staff

[5:06:19] Trustee Patrick: on the side afterwards.

[5:06:23] Trustee Patrick: I know Director Cermak, I met with Corey Johnson

[5:06:28] Trustee Patrick: and Dave Carroll this week, last week?

[5:06:34] Trustee Patrick: I think it's an understanding that most of the ramps on this island are not built 1.2 meters.

[5:06:44] Trustee Patrick: They're bigger.

[5:06:45] Trustee Patrick: And so fixing it in the land use bylaw, dealing with an emergency needs to be difficult.

[5:06:54] Trustee Patrick: bolt. The right place for this is in a housekeeping land use bylaw amendment project, but maybe

[5:07:07] Trustee Patrick: we could ask staff to look at a bylaw enforcement policy in the meantime to address the reality

[5:07:15] Trustee Patrick: that the ramps are larger, or the width of the ramps are larger than 1.2 today, while

[5:07:24] Trustee Patrick: while we wait for the final amendment project

[5:07:29] Voice 20: to catch up with this kind of information.

[5:07:35] Voice 20: That would

[5:07:35] Voice 18: be a reasonable approach.

[5:07:39] Voice 26: Should we be taking an examination,

[5:07:42] Voice 26: or just a do not enforce at this time?

[5:07:44] Trustee Patrick: I would request staff to come back with options.

[5:07:47] Trustee Patrick: I would not tell them anything more than that.

[5:07:51] Trustee Patrick: That would be, I'm going to wing it here.

[5:07:54] Trustee Patrick: So I request Salisbury Highland Local Trust Committee

[5:07:57] Trustee Patrick: request staff.

[5:08:00] Trustee Patrick: to bring options to address the width,

[5:08:13] Trustee Patrick: I guess you could say, of dock ramps

[5:08:18] Trustee Patrick: in the by-law enforcement policy.

[5:08:24] Voice 27: Sounds like it's got it.

[5:08:26] Voice 27: I'll just check.

[5:08:26] Voice 27: Lisa, have you got that?

[5:08:29] Voice 33: Yes, Chair Peterson, I have that.

[5:08:31] Voice 26: You're amazing.

[5:08:33] Voice 26: Okay, so I'll second the motion.

[5:08:34] Voice 26: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Any further discussion, no,

[5:08:38] Trustee Patrick: I think it was in the meeting was a good point, but you know right now we've got staff finding these ramps not meeting with and they're not going to meet with so let's just at least admit that and move on till we can fix it or address it in a substantial way.

[5:08:55] Voice 26: HAB-Masyn Moyer- So I believe that that was just like a manufacturing standard.

[5:08:59] Voice 26: HAB-Masyn Moyer- At some

[5:09:00] Voice 18: point, and that

[5:09:00] Voice 26: they're all out there.

[5:09:02] Voice 26: HAB-Masyn Moyer-

[5:09:02] Voice 18: learned a lot about construction stocks.

[5:09:05] Voice 26: All right. And I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[5:09:08] Voice 26: Okay. We're almost there, Kay.

[5:09:13] Voice 26: We have the policy and Senate resolution list

[5:09:16] Voice 26: page 3.4. Anything there from anyone?

[5:09:24] Voice 26: Let's look at the open application

[5:09:26] Voice 26: report page 480. Yes.

[5:09:29] Trustee Patrick: I just want to follow up

[5:09:30] Trustee Patrick: in the town hall this morning. We had the Lady Mendoza Exhibition

[5:09:35] Voice 18: society asking about their rezoning application i guess that would be my only question to stop

[5:09:42] Trustee Patrick: in the one of many of the rezonings that are making their way through

[5:09:47] Trustee Patrick: that

[5:09:48] Voice 14: is correct it is it is in the queue i believe it has actually within my review

[5:09:53] Voice 14: for uh before assignment to staff

[5:09:55] Voice 26: okay and we have the expense report at page 426

[5:10:01] Voice 26: six and no uh unsuspecting services reports today and that brings us to the next meeting

[5:10:11] Voice 26: of the social management committee it's scheduled for 12 30 p.m

[5:10:15] Voice 27: september

[5:10:18] Voice 26: 24th 2026 at the meeting hall right here on south spring island and that brings us

[5:10:25] Voice 26: to adjournment.

[5:10:27] Voice 26: Aye, so moved.

[5:10:29] Voice 26: Any objections?

[5:10:32] Voice 26: Okay, well, thank you, everyone.

[5:10:35] Voice 26: Long day.

[5:10:36] Voice 26: Thank you.

[5:10:39] Voice 25: Thank you.