Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, February 11, 2021

[0:00:08] Trustee Luckham: Well, very good. Looks like everybody's with us. Laura, you can hear us and can we hear you?

[0:00:13] Trustee Luckham: All

[0:00:18] Voice 5: right. Can you hear me?

[0:00:20] Voice 18: Yes. Hello. Okay. All right.

[0:00:24] Voice 5: Barely. Barely. Oh, no.

[0:00:29] Trustee Grove: I take it you are 88170.

[0:00:32] Trustee Luckham: Let's begin. Welcome, everybody. So is everybody else having a hard

[0:00:48] Trustee Luckham: time hearing laura or is it just me just

[0:00:52] Voice 2: you ah

[0:00:54] Trustee Luckham: oh there we go then so i'm gonna just take

[0:00:57] Trustee Luckham: advantage of the moment here and just switch over to my hot spot from my other connection

[0:01:09] Trustee Luckham: work for zooms okay is that better excellent all right so then let us begin i see we have two

[0:01:21] Trustee Luckham: people joining us by phone 8170 and 9024. I'm presuming that one of those is Laura Patrick

[0:01:30] Trustee Luckham: and the other is?

[0:01:33] Voice 10: Conrad Pilon.

[0:01:41] Trustee Luckham: Oh I see okay and we have you on

[0:01:43] Voice 11: video as well

[0:01:44] Trustee Luckham: and we have Conrad you on video as well as on a phone?

[0:01:50] Voice 10: Correct. Can you hear me? Yes.

[0:01:59] Trustee Luckham: Okay I'm

[0:02:00] Trustee Luckham: going to begin. It seems like maybe the connectivity is not that great for everybody.

[0:02:05] Trustee Luckham: but um let's see how it goes um my name is peter luckham i'm the chair of the uh

[0:02:12] Trustee Luckham: salt spring island local trust committee and this is the salt spring island local trust committee

[0:02:16] Trustee Luckham: special meeting uh meeting with the uh agricultural folks ag alliance and um uh the apc and others

[0:02:25] Trustee Luckham: here my script isn't very complete today apologies for that um just want to uh do a bit of a round of

[0:02:33] Trustee Luckham: introductions, and I'll just maybe start, go, I'll call you by your first name, you can just

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham: introduce yourselves and who you represent here, but I will start with the elected, so Peter Grove,

[0:02:48] Trustee Luckham: and Laura Patrick, and Laura Patrick, hello, perfect, welcome, and then we have a number of

[0:03:01] Trustee Luckham: staff with us, Christine Mays, Planner Staff, Jason Yeomans, Jordy Gordon, Shayla Burnham is managing

[0:03:10] Trustee Luckham: our technology today, Sarah Sugar is taking minutes and the Regional Planning Manager Stefan Cermak is

[0:03:17] Trustee Luckham: with us also. So let's, I'm going to start on my screen which is probably not the same as yours,

[0:03:23] Trustee Luckham: Brian?

[0:03:27] Voice 13: Brian Webster, Apple Farmer and representing the Agricultural Alliance.

[0:03:33] Voice 13: Brian.

[0:03:33] Trustee Luckham: Great. Thanks for joining us today, Brian. So Terry?

[0:03:42] Trustee Grove: You're on mute, Terry.

[0:03:47] Voice 8: Terry Clement, Chair of the Agricultural Alliance. Nice to see you, Terry. Bree?

[0:03:55] Voice 16: I'm Bree

[0:03:55] Trustee Luckham: Eagle. I'm the Chair of the AAPC. Very good. Thanks for joining us, Bree. Gordon?

[0:04:03] Voice 18: I'm Gordon Brent Ingram, and I'm a landscape ecologist and environmental planner. So

[0:04:10] Voice 18: So I've been involved with agriculture as a technical advisor for a few decades.

[0:04:17] Trustee Luckham: All right. Thank you. Anne?

[0:04:21] Voice 2: I'm Anne Macy. I'm the Island Natural Growers representative on the Agriculture Alliance Board.

[0:04:29] Trustee Luckham: Thanks for joining us. Anne Conrad. You're on mute, Conrad.

[0:04:40] Voice 10: I'm on mute now?

[0:04:41] Voice 10: No.

[0:04:42] Trustee Luckham: Can you hear me?

[0:04:42] Voice 10: Fine.

[0:04:43] Voice 10: Okay. I'm on the Agricultural Advisory Committee to the Islands Trust.

[0:04:47] Trustee Luckham: Great. Thank you very much, Conrad. Doug?

[0:04:52] Voice 17: Doug Pepper with the Ministry of Agriculture. I'm the regional agrologist for the South Island. I'm

[0:04:57] Voice 17: located in Duncan, so just next door here.

[0:05:00] Trustee Luckham: Oh, great, Doug. Thanks for joining us

[0:05:02] Trustee Luckham: today. Terrific you can be here. Margaret?

[0:05:05] Voice 3: I'm the representative,

[0:05:09] Voice 3: another representative of Highland Natural Growers on the Agricultural Alliance.

[0:05:13] Voice 3: clients. That's great

[0:05:15] Trustee Luckham: and now we have one other person on the phone here but I'm thinking that

[0:05:19] Trustee Luckham: might be Conrad at numbers 9024.

[0:05:23] Voice 10: No I'm on my iPhone yes. I

[0:05:27] Voice 9: do believe that may be Ruth. Yeah

[0:05:30] Voice 16: I was just going to ask did anyone else get the email from Ruth saying that she's on mute and she

[0:05:34] Voice 16: doesn't know how to unmute herself? So

[0:05:37] Voice 9: a prompt should come up on Ruth's phone. I've sent it

[0:05:41] Voice 9: three times so she should be able to um follow the directions there oh it looks like she's popped

[0:05:47] Voice 9: out she might be coming back

[0:05:48] Trustee Luckham: she's dropped off okay so we'll get her to introduce herself when

[0:05:51] Trustee Luckham: she returns right so thank you everybody um and thank you for the opportunity to meet electronically

[0:05:57] Trustee Luckham: it's um it's not always as smooth as we'd like but um it's the best we can do at the moment

[0:06:02] Trustee Luckham: um i want to acknowledge that uh uh broadly we're meeting across the coast salish territory here

[0:06:09] Trustee Luckham: down in Salt Spring Island representing the many peoples of the south coast there and myself here

[0:06:15] Trustee Luckham: on Thetis Island in the Lacs and in that Penelakut territories and it's an honor and privilege to be

[0:06:23] Trustee Luckham: here. We have an agenda before us and you know it's a bit formal but that's the nature of how

[0:06:32] Trustee Luckham: we do business. I'll just ask the trustees if there's any other and staff if there's any other

[0:06:36] Trustee Luckham: business to add or remove i see no from peter and laura if you chime in otherwise none for me

[0:06:44] Voice 5: okay

[0:06:45] Trustee Luckham: perfect and now i think uh we've got ruth back on the line there and look at that

[0:06:50] Trustee Luckham: ruth thanks for struggling to get in with us

[0:06:54] Voice 12: i'm so sorry i'm so sorry it's just it's easier on

[0:06:59] Voice 12: zoom than on the phone

[0:07:00] Trustee Luckham: yes so uh thanks for joining us glad you could be here

[0:07:06] Trustee Luckham: So we just did a round of introductions and we're just looking at the agenda. So I'm going

[0:07:11] Trustee Luckham: to approve the agenda by general consent as presented. We've got a number of items

[0:07:17] Trustee Luckham: today that we thought was either of interest or for a conversation between the local trust

[0:07:24] Trustee Luckham: committee and the various agricultural interests on the island. I think this is really great that

[0:07:31] Trustee Luckham: you making the time available to join us in this conversation. It's these kinds of conversations

[0:07:37] Trustee Luckham: that I think we want to invest in and think is a really valuable contribution to help us work

[0:07:45] Trustee Luckham: together and understand each other and raise issues or give us a heads up about things that

[0:07:52] Trustee Luckham: are happening out in the community. We want to try and be as responsive as we can. Maybe ask the

[0:07:58] Trustee Luckham: the two trustees, if they have anything to offer, and perhaps the chairs of the associated

[0:08:05] Trustee Luckham: committees, but maybe we'll just get into the media of the agenda. We've got a discussion

[0:08:08] Trustee Luckham: priorities at the latter part of the agenda. Trustees, anything you'd like to share in

[0:08:14] Trustee Luckham: welcoming remarks? Peter Grove.

[0:08:16] Trustee Grove: I'm not so much welcoming, but a general observation.

[0:08:21] Trustee Grove: We get to see you guys when we feel we need to, but I would very much like it to be a bit of a

[0:08:28] Trustee Grove: a revolving door and I'd like to be available to talk with you when you have issues that you think

[0:08:33] Trustee Grove: would be of interest to us. I mean I can think of a number of agricultural related issues

[0:08:41] Trustee Grove: so but we sure don't know about everything that's going on. Do you know I find it really irritating

[0:08:47] Trustee Grove: I find myself looking at myself when I'm speaking on these things so I'm going to look at Terry

[0:08:51] Trustee Grove: so I'm watching you Terry now. So but it's yeah I'd like to have the

[0:08:58] Trustee Grove: opportunity and I don't know how that would happen to hear from you

[0:09:03] Trustee Grove: your concerns concerns from the agricultural community and what it is

[0:09:07] Trustee Grove: that we can do to improve the life and the

[0:09:18] Trustee Luckham: somebody's phone's ringing.

[0:09:20] Trustee Grove: Anyway that's just an observation Peter thank you I

[0:09:22] Trustee Grove: don't expect a discussion.

[0:09:24] Trustee Luckham: Okay great Laura do you have anything to share at

[0:09:26] Trustee Luckham: the moment yeah

[0:09:28] Voice 5: and i think it's you know we're we're working really hard and we're trying to

[0:09:34] Voice 5: solve and work on a lot of issues that are important to the community including agriculture

[0:09:37] Voice 5: is very much up there and i want to make sure that we have an open dialogue and that um yeah i was

[0:09:44] Voice 5: concerned when we received the letter from the farmers institute that assumed that we had taken

[0:09:49] Voice 5: action with the coastal douglas fir and that we were already considering bylaws when we're in an

[0:09:55] Voice 5: open dialogue so i want to make sure that that open dialogue is it's clearly there and that we

[0:10:00] Voice 5: want to be approachable uh listen you know that we're we're here to listen to you and that it's

[0:10:05] Voice 5: all together that we're we're serving the community very

[0:10:10] Trustee Luckham: good thank you for those uh words

[0:10:12] Trustee Luckham: laura you're absolutely right so um i guess uh let us begin uh indeed with what we've got here today

[0:10:21] Trustee Luckham: um with coastal douglas fir um there's been a lot of discussion in the community about the

[0:10:26] Trustee Luckham: coastal Douglas fir project and we really as Laura has said we really are trying to approach this with

[0:10:32] Trustee Luckham: a information gathering knowledge gathering wanting to have the opportunity for people

[0:10:38] Trustee Luckham: within the community in industry in the timber business in agriculture and recreation all to

[0:10:45] Trustee Luckham: bring the issues to the table so that we can come to understand the bigger better and implement as

[0:10:54] Trustee Luckham: protection as it seems necessary and indeed protect agriculture and forestry as well it's not

[0:11:01] Trustee Luckham: simply about protecting the trees and the environment but certainly that's a primary

[0:11:06] Trustee Luckham: consideration respecting the mandate of the honest trust but we want it to to work and get everybody

[0:11:12] Trustee Luckham: to participate so uh jason yeomans thought that this would be a great opportunity just to do a

[0:11:18] Trustee Luckham: a quick briefing on the work that we've started.

[0:11:21] Trustee Luckham: And I congratulate him for being proactive in that way.

[0:11:25] Trustee Luckham: And thank you, Jason.

[0:11:26] Trustee Luckham: And I'll turn it over to you to give us a brief overview

[0:11:29] Trustee Luckham: of where we're at.

[0:11:34] Voice 14: Okay, thank you, Chair Luckham.

[0:11:36] Voice 14: I really appreciate the opportunity to be here.

[0:11:39] Voice 14: And you guys have a lot of important business to attend to,

[0:11:41] Voice 14: so I will try to keep this as brief as I can.

[0:11:45] Voice 14: While Chair Luckham suggested that I was being proactive,

[0:11:48] Voice 14: I think I might've actually been sort of reactive

[0:11:50] Voice 14: in that, was it last week or perhaps the week prior,

[0:11:54] Voice 14: I received word that members of the Farmers Institute

[0:11:58] Voice 14: had reached out to the Coastal Douglas Fir

[0:12:00] Voice 14: Conservation Partnership, which is a round table

[0:12:04] Voice 14: made up of local governments and conservation organizations

[0:12:07] Voice 14: with an interest in protecting the Coastal Douglas Fir

[0:12:10] Voice 14: zone here in Southern British Columbia,

[0:12:14] Voice 14: Southwest British Columbia.

[0:12:15] Voice 14: And it struck me as interesting that the Farmers Institute

[0:12:18] Voice 14: was reaching out to the partnership

[0:12:20] Voice 14: as opposed to the local trust committee

[0:12:22] Voice 14: who has an active and ongoing project

[0:12:25] Voice 14: to protect the coastal Douglas fir zone

[0:12:26] Voice 14: here on Salt Spring Island.

[0:12:28] Voice 14: So obviously there was interest in this project

[0:12:31] Voice 14: from amongst the local farming community.

[0:12:33] Voice 14: And I thought this would be a great opportunity

[0:12:35] Voice 14: to speak to you directly about it

[0:12:37] Voice 14: rather than sort of going via the Douglas fir partnership

[0:12:40] Voice 14: and then back to me and so on.

[0:12:42] Voice 14: So I appreciate that I've got all of you leaders

[0:12:46] Voice 14: in the farming community here to talk to

[0:12:47] Voice 14: and you can talk to me and to your local trustees

[0:12:50] Voice 14: about this project.

[0:12:51] Voice 14: I'm just gonna share my screen if you don't mind.

[0:13:02] Voice 15: All right, can everybody see my screen now?

[0:13:07] Voice 9: No.

[0:13:10] Voice 15: Oh, you can't see it, interesting.

[0:13:17] Voice 10: No, we can't see it.

[0:13:18] Voice 15: All right, here we go.

[0:13:20] Voice 15: How about now?

[0:13:23] Voice 11: Yes.

[0:13:24] Voice 15: Oh, good, all right, thanks everybody.

[0:13:28] Voice 14: So the Local Trust Committee, as you now know,

[0:13:31] Voice 14: has a project called the Protection

[0:13:33] Voice 14: of the Coastal Douglas Fir Zone

[0:13:35] Voice 14: and associated ecosystems of Salt Spring Island.

[0:13:40] Voice 14: What is the Coastal Douglas Fir Zone?

[0:13:42] Voice 14: You might ask.

[0:13:44] Voice 14: I am not a biologist or an ecologist,

[0:13:47] Voice 14: so I will butcher this explanation somewhat

[0:13:51] Voice 14: by saying that the Coastal Douglas Fir Zone

[0:13:55] Voice 14: is the constituent ecosystems that make up,

[0:14:01] Voice 14: largely make up Salt Spring Island,

[0:14:03] Voice 14: Island, the southeast coast of Vancouver Island and the southwest coast of the mainland.

[0:14:10] Voice 14: It is essentially the forests in which we live.

[0:14:15] Voice 14: It also happens to be the smallest and most at-risk biogeoclimatic zone in British Columbia.

[0:14:22] Voice 14: It's an area of extreme conservation concern.

[0:14:26] Voice 14: Coastal Douglas fir zone is home to the highest number of species and ecosystems at risk in

[0:14:31] Voice 14: British Columbia, many of which are ranked globally as imperiled or as critically imperiled.

[0:14:36] Voice 14: And of all of the biogeoclimatic zones in British Columbia, the coastal Douglas fir

[0:14:44] Voice 14: zone has been the most impacted by human activity. Less than 1% of the coastal Douglas fir zone

[0:14:51] Voice 14: remains in old growth forests. 49% of the coastal Douglas fir zone land base has been

[0:14:58] Voice 14: permanently converted by human activities. So it is a area that is under extreme urban and suburban

[0:15:08] Voice 14: deforestation and urbanization pressure. And so there is a region-wide interest in doing a better

[0:15:15] Voice 14: job perhaps of protecting these constituent forests. Why we would be interested in protecting

[0:15:23] Voice 14: for us in a general way. I think most people probably know this intuitively by now. The world

[0:15:30] Voice 14: is suffering from a biodiversity crisis. I know we humans like to think of ourselves as being apart

[0:15:37] Voice 14: from the ecosystems in which we live, but we are very much enmeshed in the systems of which

[0:15:44] Voice 14: we are a part. And when we start to lose parts of those systems, eventually the system will break

[0:15:49] Voice 14: down on us. There's an interest in the community prosperity and well-being aspect that our forests

[0:15:56] Voice 14: provide to us. These are sometimes referred to as ecosystem services. In short, the forests that

[0:16:04] Voice 14: surround us are the catchment basins and the filters for the drinking water that we all rely on

[0:16:11] Voice 14: for our lives and livelihoods here on Salt Spring Island, for example. And then, of course, our

[0:16:17] Voice 14: forest ecosystems have an important role to play in a changing climate in terms of mitigation of

[0:16:24] Voice 14: some of the more significant impacts that climate change is going to bring about and also play a

[0:16:31] Voice 14: role in helping us adapt to some of those changes. Why would your local trust committee be interested

[0:16:40] Voice 14: in protecting the coastal Douglas fir zone here on Salt Spring Island? I don't claim to speak on

[0:16:46] Voice 14: on their behalf.

[0:16:47] Voice 14: So I would encourage you to ask them directly

[0:16:49] Voice 14: if you want to know exactly what is behind their rationale

[0:16:52] Voice 14: for making protection of the coastal Douglas fir zone

[0:16:54] Voice 14: one of their priority projects.

[0:16:56] Voice 14: But I think any of you who are involved

[0:16:59] Voice 14: in paying attention to the local media

[0:17:01] Voice 14: would know that over the last couple of years,

[0:17:03] Voice 14: there have been some high profile tree removal incidents.

[0:17:08] Voice 14: They're not incidents, but examples of tree removal

[0:17:11] Voice 14: that have caught the attention of the community

[0:17:13] Voice 14: and members of the community in turn

[0:17:14] Voice 14: have approached the local trust committee and asked them to do something

[0:17:17] Voice 14: to intervene to see if there are ways that the forests of Salt Spring Island

[0:17:23] Voice 14: could be better managed. I have a number of maps that speak to forest contiguity,

[0:17:32] Voice 14: forest disturbance on the island over the years and I'm happy to sort of speak

[0:17:36] Voice 14: to those in more detail during the question period if you have any interest

[0:17:38] Voice 14: in that. Forest types, sort of again forest types, but I thought it might be

[0:17:44] Voice 14: more useful from your perspective if indeed there are concerns about what impacts this

[0:17:49] Voice 14: project may have on the practice of local agriculture.

[0:17:53] Voice 14: Just to move into a discussion about the project itself, how it's structured, where we're at,

[0:18:00] Voice 14: the next steps in the project and opportunities for the local agricultural community to engage

[0:18:05] Voice 14: with the LTC in the development of this project.

[0:18:08] Voice 14: so the project is currently structured such that it would unroll over two years

[0:18:14] Voice 14: a project charter was adopted by the local Trust Committee in July of 2020 so

[0:18:20] Voice 14: we are now just past the halfway mark of the first year and this is phase one of

[0:18:26] Voice 14: the project which is a time for information gathering and analysis

[0:18:30] Voice 14: preliminary consultation with the community and the development of some

[0:18:33] Voice 14: some education and communications materials

[0:18:35] Voice 14: for dissemination to the community.

[0:18:38] Voice 14: In phase two of the project,

[0:18:40] Voice 14: which I anticipate will begin shortly

[0:18:43] Voice 14: after the new fiscal year, which is March 31st of 2021,

[0:18:47] Voice 14: we'll move into the second phase of a more robust discussion

[0:18:51] Voice 14: about potential policy and regulation development

[0:18:54] Voice 14: done, of course, in concert

[0:18:57] Voice 14: and in consultation with the community.

[0:18:59] Voice 14: And as well, there'll be an ongoing education component

[0:19:01] Voice 14: And then phase three of the project will be actual implementation of whatever policies and regulations, or regulations, if policies and regulations happen to emerge from the project.

[0:19:13] Voice 14: And again, a component of education about the value that our local forests provide.

[0:19:20] Voice 14: This is just a screenshot of the project charter that is guiding this project, tells you what is in scope of the project, what is out scope.

[0:19:29] Voice 14: scope. I won't bore you with the fine print. Suffice to say, if you have an interest in

[0:19:33] Voice 14: the details of the project, you're welcome to give me a call and we can discuss further.

[0:19:39] Voice 14: At its highest level, these are the objectives of the project and these objectives are taken

[0:19:45] Voice 14: from a 2018 document published by the Islands Trust, which is a toolkit for the protection

[0:19:52] Voice 14: of the coastal Douglas fir zone and associated ecosystems of the Islands Trust area. So the

[0:19:57] Voice 14: first project objective is to maintain contiguous forest cover the second objective is to protect

[0:20:03] Voice 14: and restore functioning ecosystems the third objective is to protect watershed ecology

[0:20:09] Voice 14: the fourth objective is to honor coast salish cultural heritage and we threw a fifth objective

[0:20:15] Voice 14: in there recognizing the important role that mature forests play in helping minimize wildfire

[0:20:23] Voice 14: risks and this came about through some of the conversations that are being had

[0:20:27] Voice 14: in the community that involve the the local fire department and their

[0:20:32] Voice 14: perspective that there is significant wildfire risk reduction value in the

[0:20:40] Voice 14: maintenance of the mature forests that we do have left on Salt Spring Island.

[0:20:46] Voice 14: Here's the project timeline, of course we're now already behind on this

[0:20:50] Voice 14: timeline but such is the world of project management. Suffice it to say that in April

[0:20:58] Voice 14: I hope that we will be advancing towards phase two of the project. In terms of tools that the

[0:21:05] Voice 14: Local Trust Committee potentially has to deploy in the service of better preservation or protection

[0:21:13] Voice 14: of the island's forests, I've sort of summarized there as being five of those. The first is

[0:21:20] Voice 14: is education and communication.

[0:21:22] Voice 14: So making sure that Island land owners

[0:21:26] Voice 14: understand the value of their forests in a upright position

[0:21:31] Voice 14: and how to potentially be good stewards of those forests.

[0:21:36] Voice 14: The second tool available to the Local Trust Committee

[0:21:39] Voice 14: is advocacy.

[0:21:41] Voice 14: Rather than taking any significant action themselves,

[0:21:44] Voice 14: the Local Trust Committee can always petition

[0:21:47] Voice 14: other levels of government to intervene, to do more,

[0:21:50] Voice 14: to protect the islands forest within the powers

[0:21:53] Voice 14: that those other levels of government might have.

[0:21:56] Voice 14: There is incentives.

[0:21:58] Voice 14: I know that as a land use planning and regulatory agency,

[0:22:05] Voice 14: we are often perceived as only ever sort of taking away

[0:22:11] Voice 14: people's rights to do things or their ability to do things.

[0:22:15] Voice 14: and it would be nice if we had more opportunities

[0:22:19] Voice 14: to reward landowners or people for the positive behaviors

[0:22:26] Voice 14: that we would like to encourage.

[0:22:28] Voice 14: So the good stewardship that we see around us.

[0:22:31] Voice 14: I'm not sure the extent to which,

[0:22:33] Voice 14: well, I hope that we'll have the opportunity

[0:22:35] Voice 14: to explore incentive programs that might be available

[0:22:37] Voice 14: and I'm optimistic that maybe some will come to fruition

[0:22:40] Voice 14: as a result of this project.

[0:22:42] Voice 14: The Local Trust Committee has policy, which means amending the official community plan

[0:22:48] Voice 14: to introduce guidelines for the Local Trust Committee when they make decisions

[0:22:55] Voice 14: that may or may not have an impact on the coastal Douglas fir zone.

[0:22:58] Voice 14: And then finally, of course, is regulation, which is to say either amendments to the Land Use By-law

[0:23:04] Voice 14: or perhaps the introduction of a new development permit area,

[0:23:07] Voice 14: which would guide the type of development

[0:23:11] Voice 14: which the Local Trust Committee through its community

[0:23:14] Voice 14: deems to be acceptable or desirable

[0:23:17] Voice 14: or the conditions under which development

[0:23:19] Voice 14: could or should take place

[0:23:20] Voice 14: within our coastal Douglas fir zone.

[0:23:25] Voice 14: So what's been happening in this project?

[0:23:27] Voice 14: Well, to date, the Local Trust Committee authorized staff

[0:23:31] Voice 14: to convene a science working group,

[0:23:33] Voice 14: which has met a couple of times

[0:23:35] Voice 14: to review the existing data that we have at hand

[0:23:38] Voice 14: and to determine whether or not it's sufficient

[0:23:41] Voice 14: on which to build this project.

[0:23:43] Voice 14: And so currently we are in the process

[0:23:47] Voice 14: of developing some preliminary mapping

[0:23:49] Voice 14: that I hope will form the foundation

[0:23:50] Voice 14: of some public mapping in the short term

[0:23:53] Voice 14: so that we can really point to that map

[0:23:54] Voice 14: and say these are the areas that we're talking about

[0:23:57] Voice 14: in terms of achieving the project objectives.

[0:23:59] Voice 14: And I know putting forward some public facing mapping

[0:24:03] Voice 14: would likely go a long ways to allaying

[0:24:06] Voice 14: some of the concerns that we've had. Of course for those whose properties are in the mapped area

[0:24:10] Voice 14: their concern may ratchet up but you know we will work to mitigate whatever concern there might be

[0:24:16] Voice 14: out there. The local trust committee has signed a contract with the ecological research network

[0:24:21] Voice 14: which is a loose affiliation of local academics and a graphic designer to develop some communications

[0:24:28] Voice 14: materials. I've been helping edit or offering my editorial comment on some infographics that

[0:24:34] Voice 14: that they've been developing.

[0:24:35] Voice 14: They look really good, very interesting material,

[0:24:38] Voice 14: and I'm very much looking forward to its release

[0:24:41] Voice 14: sometime before the end of this fiscal year.

[0:24:45] Voice 14: We had a Zoom-based kickoff meeting on November 5th.

[0:24:48] Voice 14: It wasn't quite as well attended as I would have hoped,

[0:24:51] Voice 14: but nonetheless, I think those who were in attendance

[0:24:54] Voice 14: found value in it.

[0:24:56] Voice 14: We had a presentation from a representative

[0:24:59] Voice 14: from the Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:25:01] Voice 14: who gave a more eloquent description

[0:25:03] Voice 14: description about the coastal Douglas fir zone and the services and benefits that we

[0:25:09] Voice 14: derive from it and of course just its intrinsic value as the constituent ecosystem of the

[0:25:16] Voice 14: area.

[0:25:16] Voice 14: We've had preliminary outreach and discussions with island landowners who might be affected

[0:25:22] Voice 14: by potential outcomes of this project.

[0:25:24] Voice 14: That includes meetings such as this and we've got ongoing outreach to First Nations to determine

[0:25:30] Voice 14: and their interests in the project and how they might wish to be involved what's coming up next

[0:25:37] Voice 14: in this project uh like i said we're looking toward the development and presentation of some

[0:25:42] Voice 14: public facing mapping to really highlight the areas that we think will best achieve

[0:25:46] Voice 14: the ltc's project objectives we are looking forward to the delivery of some recommendations

[0:25:52] Voice 14: from the coastal douglas first science working group once it has a chance to meet a couple of

[0:25:57] Voice 14: more times looking for the dissemination of the communications materials that the ecological

[0:26:02] Voice 14: research network has been working on and the big one for me is the provision of a community

[0:26:07] Voice 14: engagement plan to the local trust committee to guide the next phase of this project which really

[0:26:13] Voice 14: really will rely on getting the feedback from from the broader community to help inform

[0:26:20] Voice 14: the approach that the local trust committee wishes to take on this now you know the most

[0:26:28] Voice 14: important question of all at least probably from your perspective what does all of this mean for

[0:26:33] Voice 14: for farming?

[0:26:34] Voice 14: And the answer is, I don't know yet.

[0:26:39] Voice 14: It is still early days in the project.

[0:26:41] Voice 14: Staff don't have any direction to draft any new regulations

[0:26:45] Voice 14: or any new bylaws.

[0:26:49] Voice 14: So I really want to emphasize that

[0:26:55] Voice 14: they are looking to you for some dialogue in this, I think,

[0:26:59] Voice 14: and for you to provide them with some guidance

[0:27:02] Voice 14: as to what you foresee as, I guess, potential impacts of efforts to better preserve and

[0:27:12] Voice 14: protect the forests of the island, or perhaps the types of activities that the members of

[0:27:19] Voice 14: your organizations do on their land that you wish to see them continue to be able to do.

[0:27:27] Voice 14: and otherwise i guess the the interaction between forests and farming on the island i mean i can say

[0:27:34] Voice 14: with 95 confidence that if regulation and policy does come to fruition from this project

[0:27:43] Voice 14: that it will not apply in the agricultural land reserve because in order for local governments

[0:27:51] Voice 14: to introduce regulations in the ALR that are seen to impede farming, you need the permission of the

[0:27:57] Voice 14: Minister of Agriculture to do that. And in order to get the minister's permission to do that,

[0:28:03] Voice 14: I think you need to have some extremely strong rationale for doing so. Perhaps this rationale

[0:28:09] Voice 14: is sufficient, but I don't know if in the Islands Trust anybody has ever approached the minister

[0:28:15] Voice 14: for permission to restrict farming the agricultural land reserves. But I would imagine that that

[0:28:21] Voice 14: conversation would not go particularly well or particularly far. So that's really all I have

[0:28:28] Voice 14: to say for now. I think I just, particularly for the Agricultural Alliance, I know that

[0:28:36] Voice 14: very likely this project will be referred to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee

[0:28:42] Voice 14: at some point, you know, probably once a draft, if it advances to by-law development, once a draft

[0:28:48] Voice 14: suite of bylaws has been developed I suspect that such might be forwarded on

[0:28:53] Voice 14: to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission for its consideration but for

[0:28:57] Voice 14: the Agricultural Alliance if you want to be proactive in providing the local

[0:29:02] Voice 14: trust committee with some ideas about how they might want to proceed in this

[0:29:07] Voice 14: to ensure that agriculture is agricultural interests are taken into

[0:29:12] Voice 14: account even before those bylaws are developed then I would encourage you to

[0:29:16] Voice 14: do so thank you you're

[0:29:25] Trustee Grove: muted peter right

[0:29:29] Trustee Luckham: thank you um so thank you um so thank you jason um for

[0:29:33] Trustee Luckham: that um if we could get our screen back um

[0:29:35] Voice 11: stop

[0:29:36] Trustee Luckham: sharing then that would enable us to see each

[0:29:39] Trustee Luckham: other better i think that's an important part of the conversation is to see each other now i can

[0:29:46] Trustee Luckham: just see you i'm not sure why that is um gallery view there we go that's better okay um you know i

[0:29:54] Trustee Luckham: just want to maybe give an opportunity to the two trustees to provide remarks from their point of

[0:30:00] Trustee Luckham: view of where where what this means in terms of this project and community engagement but before

[0:30:07] Trustee Luckham: i do that i just want to note and it's not a criticism at all of anyone but it's interesting

[0:30:13] Trustee Luckham: in the language that we use and i personally try to uh uh change my use of language and be careful

[0:30:23] Trustee Luckham: about my use of language because in an organization whose mandate is preserve and protect it's it's a

[0:30:29] Trustee Luckham: very easy to sound like we're preserving and protecting uh through regulation and um and

[0:30:36] Trustee Luckham: potentially that with the way that we talk about potentials and outcomes and that sort of thing

[0:30:42] Trustee Luckham: that there's a solution in the works or we've already decided on certain approaches or avenues

[0:30:49] Trustee Luckham: of thought um but i think that the trustees will agree with me is that what we're here uh in this

[0:30:55] Trustee Luckham: project and in all of the work that we're trying to do is to change uh that focus to being open

[0:31:01] Trustee Luckham: to hearing to uh working on solutions together rather than coming with solutions um and uh and

[0:31:07] Trustee Luckham: advancing the work in a way that's holistic listening to all of the points of view so do

[0:31:13] Trustee Luckham: either the trustees wish to remark on this project or should you just go to questions of the

[0:31:17] Trustee Luckham: members of the agricultural community peter grove i

[0:31:23] Trustee Grove: was going to say go ahead laura you're welcome

[0:31:25] Trustee Grove: Welcome to respond first, if you'd like to.

[0:31:30] Voice 5: Well, sure.

[0:31:31] Voice 5: I mean, for me, I don't like to look at things in isolation.

[0:31:35] Voice 5: I don't look at preserving the coastal Douglas Furnace associated ecosystems in isolation,

[0:31:41] Voice 5: especially when we look at we need food security and all of those things.

[0:31:45] Voice 5: So it's about making sure we're looking at this in a very wide lens.

[0:31:49] Voice 5: And while today is not your only opportunity for getting feedback, I think it's the beginning

[0:31:55] Voice 5: of the dialogue and an opening of that.

[0:31:58] Voice 5: conversation

[0:32:01] Trustee Luckham: very good thank you so the easiest thing to do is if you raise your hand either

[0:32:06] Trustee Luckham: physically or electronically and there's a button at the bottom of your screen that allows you in

[0:32:12] Trustee Luckham: the participants list to do that says raise hands and if you're on the phone you can do star nine

[0:32:18] Trustee Luckham: I think but it might be just easiest for you to interrupt us if you want to or maybe what I'll do

[0:32:23] Trustee Luckham: actually is I'll just as a courtesy I'll just go to Ruth who's the only person on the phone other

[0:32:28] Trustee Luckham: other than Laura, is if she wanted to lead us off.

[0:32:31] Trustee Luckham: Otherwise, we'll just go around the room by

[0:32:34] Trustee Luckham: show of hands.

[0:32:35] Trustee Grove: Chair, I would like to have my opportunity

[0:32:37] Trustee Grove: to echo Trustee Patrick's points.

[0:32:41] Trustee Grove: I think it's enormously important

[0:32:42] Trustee Grove: that we have this dialogue.

[0:32:44] Trustee Grove: And what I don't want to hear

[0:32:47] Trustee Grove: is people being upset about things they think we're doing,

[0:32:54] Trustee Grove: making life difficult for farmers,

[0:32:56] Trustee Grove: making life difficult for loggers. We're all in this together and we need to manage what we're

[0:33:04] Trustee Grove: doing better than we have been. So I welcome this opportunity and this whole project. Thank you.

[0:33:14] Trustee Luckham: And we also want to learn about all the good things that we've been doing already, just as a

[0:33:20] Trustee Luckham: contrast to that. So I did suggest that if Ruth's on the phone wanted to go first,

[0:33:26] Trustee Luckham: because difficult for her to raise her hand you can go ahead if you have any

[0:33:31] Trustee Luckham: remarks or questions otherwise we'll go to other people in the room thank you

[0:33:36] Voice 12: very much chair like I'm that this is a I appreciate I appreciate you doing it

[0:33:40] Voice 12: this way it's much nicer than me interrupting I wanted to because I have

[0:33:46] Voice 12: many hats that I wear I was the lead on the risk assessment piece for the

[0:33:52] Voice 12: Climate Action Plan, which identified, you know, we worked with those involved with water,

[0:34:01] Voice 12: all aspects of water on the island and the fire department and people involved with

[0:34:10] Voice 12: conservation and forests and looked at climate impacts. And what became clear is this link

[0:34:19] Voice 12: between these three things so so what i want to highlight is um i think i believe that everyone in

[0:34:28] Voice 12: who's there right now has received an invitation from transition salt spring

[0:34:33] Voice 12: to participate in the climate action network and i just wanted to say that i think that

[0:34:41] Voice 12: perhaps many people don't realize the format that these are going to take but it's late the meeting

[0:34:46] Voice 12: is on the 23rd of this month and we start off with a panel where we have our fire chief we have

[0:34:55] Voice 12: someone from north salt spring water who is managing land to protect watersheds and we also

[0:35:03] Voice 12: have someone from the conservancy and moderated by laura patrick and we're going to be talking

[0:35:09] Voice 12: hearing them discuss the issues around fire and the watersheds and climate change so i would

[0:35:16] Voice 12: would encourage people to try to attend or at least have a few people there. We'll have

[0:35:21] Voice 12: recording it so that you'll be able to learn from this discussion. A lot of new

[0:35:28] Voice 12: perspectives will be put out there. So I encourage people to attend if they can.

[0:35:33] Voice 12: But the other thing I wanted to say is to give an example of incentives that I've been thinking

[0:35:39] Voice 12: about sort of echoing what Laura has said is that how do we have everything

[0:35:46] Voice 12: working together more harmoniously and so examples of incentives that could

[0:35:52] Voice 12: happen along the borders between agricultural areas whether they're ALR

[0:35:57] Voice 12: or not and forest edges which need to be protected from wind and solar

[0:36:02] Voice 12: penetration would be things like agroforestry or you know strategically

[0:36:08] Voice 12: strategically, tactically located permaculture crops or fruit crops.

[0:36:13] Voice 12: So there's a number of types of things that could be very positive incentives.

[0:36:19] Voice 12: And I just wanted to introduce that because often incentives, it's hard to know what that means.

[0:36:27] Voice 12: And whereas regulations, it's a little easier to imagine.

[0:36:31] Voice 12: And so that's my contribution at this time.

[0:36:33] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:36:36] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Ruth.

[0:36:38] Trustee Luckham: Maybe I'll start with Brian Webster because he's on the top of my list. I asked for a show

[0:36:45] Trustee Luckham: of hands so why don't we do that. Anybody have any questions or comments or concerns that they'd like

[0:36:51] Trustee Luckham: to express to the LTC? I see Terry Clement got his hands up. Oh and Brian Webster has his electronic

[0:37:00] Trustee Luckham: hand up, thank you, so I'll take you second.

[0:37:06] Voice 8: Yes, just as a relationship to Jason's presentation,

[0:37:12] Voice 8: I noticed that the Douglas college, Douglas fur zone, when you look at the boundary of it,

[0:37:23] Voice 8: it covers probably the most intense agricultural area in southeast BC, or southwest BC,

[0:37:33] Voice 8: and a lot of that is currently under farmland.

[0:37:39] Voice 8: So part of one of my questions is,

[0:37:41] Voice 8: is this initiative strictly spring

[0:37:47] Voice 8: or is it going to apply to the whole zone?

[0:37:58] Trustee Luckham: That's a great question.

[0:37:59] Trustee Luckham: So I'll turn to staff to talk about the areas

[0:38:03] Trustee Luckham: that this might be impacting.

[0:38:06] Voice 14: Sure. Terry, you'd cut out there a little bit, so I'm just going to repeat your question to make

[0:38:12] Voice 14: sure I understand it. You were asking whether or not the initiative towards coastal Douglas

[0:38:19] Voice 14: fir protection applies just to Salt Spring Island or the whole zone of the map that I showed you.

[0:38:27] Voice 14: That's correct.

[0:38:28] Voice 14: sure um certainly the i mean the the the salt spring island uh coastal douglas fur zone

[0:38:38] Voice 14: protection project of the local trust committee applies only to salt spring island the greater

[0:38:45] Voice 14: um i don't even want to call it a push let the greater interest in protecting the coastal douglas

[0:38:53] Voice 14: fur zone regionally, which is to say on this map from Campbell River to Victoria and over to

[0:39:01] Voice 14: Mission, is not a regulatory endeavor. It's like the Coastal Douglas Fur Conservation Partnership

[0:39:10] Voice 14: is a volunteer roundtable made up of local governments and conservation agencies and

[0:39:21] Voice 14: chaired by an employee of the Ministry of Forest Lands and Natural Resource Operations.

[0:39:28] Voice 14: And its goal is really just to encourage recognition of the uniqueness of this zone

[0:39:36] Voice 14: and to encourage local governments to do more to protect the remaining sort of mature stands of coastal Douglas fir that still exist.

[0:39:47] Voice 14: uh you're very right to point out that you know much of the coastal douglas fur zone

[0:39:53] Voice 14: on the lower mainland is now in the agricultural land reserve and i imagine forever will remain in

[0:40:02] Voice 14: the agricultural land reserve as long as the agricultural land reserve should remain and i

[0:40:07] Voice 14: i don't think anybody is suggesting through efforts to better preserve the coastal douglas

[0:40:13] Voice 14: fir zone, that we should start growing coastal Douglas fir on the ALR land of the Fraser Valley

[0:40:19] Voice 14: or of Richmond or anything like that. Though of course, perhaps more trees in the ALR could be

[0:40:24] Voice 14: beneficial towards certain types of agriculture, but that's not the intent of what the Coastal

[0:40:30] Voice 14: Douglas Fir Partnership, if I can speak on their behalf, I'm not an attending member or anything,

[0:40:34] Voice 14: but they're not looking to restrict farming.

[0:40:43] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. Brian Webster.

[0:40:45] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[0:40:50] Voice 13: you. I guess what I want to say first is that I'm concerned that the objectives for the project were written as they were as essentially one dimensional zero.

[0:41:09] Voice 13: You are successful if you protect forest cover, presumably you are unsuccessful if you don't protect forest cover.

[0:41:19] Voice 13: There is no indication in the project charter or in any of the materials I've seen that acknowledges the complexity of the issues and the need to strike careful balances.

[0:41:34] Voice 13: As Terry alluded to, essentially all of the active land on Salt Spring Island is within the coastal Douglas fir zone, and it provides little consolation to hear that those of us who are farming within the agricultural land reserve may be protected from regulations.

[0:41:57] Voice 13: Because, as you know, almost 50% of the actively farmed land on Salt Spring Island, the last figure I saw was 44%, is not within the agricultural land reserve.

[0:42:10] Voice 13: So, as representatives of the agricultural community, it is no consolation or reassurance at all to make that point.

[0:42:20] Voice 13: That might protect my own property, but that doesn't protect agriculture, local food, and farming.

[0:42:28] Voice 13: I guess I'm just wondering why the objectives were not written in a way that acknowledges the complexity of some of the issues

[0:42:41] Voice 13: and how there are some laudable priorities that sometimes come in conflict with each other.

[0:42:49] Voice 13: For example, local agriculture, production of local food can bump up against preserving ecosystems.

[0:42:58] Voice 13: And there are some really difficult choices that need to be made.

[0:43:02] Voice 13: But if you look at the project charter, it talks about a bunch of priorities.

[0:43:07] Voice 13: It doesn't allude to any of that.

[0:43:09] Voice 13: It doesn't say a word about agriculture or farming or local, not once in the project charter is any of that mentioned, even as something to be considered.

[0:43:20] Voice 13: Yet 15% of the island is in the ALR and that much again is farmed, but not in the ALR.

[0:43:31] Voice 13: So it's concerning, and I personally have a real problem with the project being set up in a way that puts me in a position of being concerned about a project that has such laudable objectives, except it seems to be overly simplistic and one-dimensional in how it approaches them.

[0:44:04] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, Brian. I got to say, I made quite as many notes as I possibly could.

[0:44:10] Trustee Luckham: And just want to really thank you for bringing that to our attention. This is exactly

[0:44:14] Trustee Luckham: what we want to hear. The intention is not to be singularly dimensional, but I can see exactly

[0:44:22] Trustee Luckham: that what you brought to our attention. So we'll certainly take that into consideration as we move

[0:44:30] Trustee Luckham: along here. So Anne Macy, I see a digital hand up and I saw Gordon, he's raising a physical hand. So

[0:44:35] Trustee Luckham: how about we go with Anne and then I'll go with Gordon. Thank you.

[0:44:39] Voice 2: Thank you. I just wanted to maybe get back to some of the comments about the

[0:44:44] Voice 2: communications because I think that's where things tend to go wrong.

[0:44:49] Voice 2: Like once you get to the point of the community engagement plan, I don't know whether you've even

[0:44:57] Voice 2: thought about how you might do it, but sometimes there's surveys and there's different things

[0:45:00] Voice 2: things people do but sometimes looking at those they seem to be a given what you're they direct

[0:45:09] Voice 2: people in a certain way for certain responses you're hoping to get I mean I would like to see

[0:45:15] Voice 2: something direct sent particularly to the agricultural community with maybe pertinent

[0:45:20] Voice 2: questions very much to that rather than a general expecting us just to respond to whatever's going

[0:45:26] Voice 2: going out generally and with ample time for us to think about it to respond to it you know not

[0:45:34] Voice 2: just a few days before one of these meetings but time to analyze it carefully and come back with

[0:45:42] Voice 2: some constructive proposals or whatever from the agriculture community thank you okay thank you

[0:45:52] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Anne. Also very well said. And although, you know, we certainly have a time frame, there's no necessity to be in a hurry in order to do this right. And I'm sure that the trustees will agree with that concept. So, Gordon, over to you next.

[0:46:11] Trustee Luckham: Sorry,

[0:46:17] Voice 9: you just have to unmute yourself.

[0:46:18] Voice 9: Thank

[0:46:24] Voice 18: you. I'm part of the AAPC, but we actually haven't, I have not met in other than through Zoom yet. So I'm just going to say a few things as someone who's grew up around here and has worked professionally for, I guess, about four decades.

[0:46:44] Voice 18: I really appreciate this initiative for large chunks, large fragments of forest.

[0:46:55] Voice 18: And I'll give you an example.

[0:46:56] Voice 18: 40 years ago, I was asked to do the first management concept for Mount Tuam Ecological Reserve, none of which is an agricultural land reserve.

[0:47:08] Voice 18: And people go to that waterfall these days.

[0:47:12] Voice 18: You know, it's quite large and impressive. That wasn't really there 40 years ago. That waterfall is largely the creation of all of the deforestation above, on both sides of that eastern parcel of the Echo Reserve.

[0:47:32] Voice 18: And I've looked at it very carefully with the CRD satellite imagery, and that area has lost that watershed where the waterfall drains has lost about at least 25% of its forest cover in the last 25 years.

[0:47:53] Voice 18: So those kind of large-scale deforestation problems or conundrums, I think, is where the Douglas Fir Initiative has come from.

[0:48:08] Voice 18: And I appreciate that very much.

[0:48:11] Voice 18: But I think the rhetoric is going to have to be refined.

[0:48:16] Voice 18: I'm going to send Jason a set of what I would think are more sophisticated phrases.

[0:48:28] Voice 18: I was one of the co-founders about 20 years ago of the Gary Oak Ecosystems Recovery Team.

[0:48:36] Voice 18: So we've got a lot of different things when we say Douglas fir and associated ecosystems.

[0:48:43] Voice 18: And many of the ecosystems that still exist in farming areas, and especially south facing slopes, are compatible with agriculture. And certainly there are lots of farmers who use conservation covenants.

[0:49:02] Voice 18: So there's a lot of possibilities here. My concern is around these areas that are not in the ALR, but where there's active farming.

[0:49:14] Voice 18: And I would suggest to this group that we almost think about an expanded or neo-ALR for those agricultural areas and let those farmers get on, you know, with all the regular regulations for watersheds and such.

[0:49:36] Voice 18: let those farmers have their encourage them to have their woodlots and such I am more concerned

[0:49:42] Voice 18: about both ends of the Gary oak I mean not Gary oak uh Douglas fir ecosystems the dry meadow uh

[0:49:50] Voice 18: Douglas uh Gary oak on one end and these areas that still have little uh areas of Sitka spruce

[0:49:58] Voice 18: and western hemlock in really damp, dark areas.

[0:50:04] Voice 18: And I think all of that can be worked out in this initiative.

[0:50:08] Voice 18: So I do see this as a very positive movement forward,

[0:50:12] Voice 18: but a lot of that French word sensibilization,

[0:50:17] Voice 18: explaining it in ways that doesn't get people really worried.

[0:50:22] Voice 18: Now, I'm going to say this as someone who grew up

[0:50:25] Voice 18: in one of the Saanich First Nations,

[0:50:27] Voice 18: But I'm not, my mother's from another part of BC, so I'm not enrolled as a Wasanich person. There is a huge amount of interest in food sovereignty in Sanich, and there are lots of eyes looking at Salt Spring in particular, a little at Pender.

[0:50:45] Voice 18: And a lot of the areas where plant food could be harvested are actually not in thick Douglas fir forests.

[0:50:58] Voice 18: They're on the edge of woodlands with arbutus, with black hawthorn, with a range of native deciduous woodland species.

[0:51:08] Voice 18: And most of that can be covered under conservation covenants and in various kinds of incentives.

[0:51:16] Voice 18: I think what is going to be an explosive issue, and I'll leave it at this, is any proposal to pay farmers to not farm and instead to receive payment for carbon sequestration.

[0:51:32] Voice 18: I think that is going to be a hugely problematic field to weigh into, and I'll leave it at that. Thank you.

[0:51:43] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Gordon. Anybody else wish to speak to this topic? Not seeing any hands up. A couple of you don't have your video on.

[0:51:58] Trustee Luckham: Margaret, Anne and Doug certainly feel free if you wish to chime in on any

[0:52:05] Trustee Luckham: thoughts that you might have considered during the conversation. Brie over to you

[0:52:12] Trustee Luckham: and then

[0:52:15] Voice 16: Conrad. I just thought I would make a comment on behalf of the AAPC for

[0:52:20] Voice 16: the members of the Ag Alliance that don't know how our committee works we

[0:52:27] Voice 16: We have to be asked to meet to talk about an issue.

[0:52:30] Voice 16: And so the AAPC has not yet had this come before us.

[0:52:34] Voice 16: We haven't met on it.

[0:52:35] Voice 16: In fact, we're not allowed to meet on these things until we're asked to talk about them.

[0:52:40] Voice 16: So as a group, we haven't had a chance to look this over or form any opinions.

[0:52:45] Voice 16: And I'm assuming that'll come down the line.

[0:52:49] Voice 16: I think Jason mentioned it will come before us at some point where we'll have a chance

[0:52:52] Voice 16: to weigh in.

[0:52:53] Voice 16: So I just wanted to let the Ag Alliance know that we're waiting our turn.

[0:52:57] Voice 16: I guess.

[0:52:59] Trustee Luckham: That's great. And indeed, that's absolutely correct. And indeed, that's kind

[0:53:04] Trustee Luckham: of a nice segue into the next item here, which is amendments that we're considering with respect to

[0:53:11] Trustee Luckham: the APC bylaws, which cover all of the APCs, including the agricultural. But let's stay on

[0:53:17] Trustee Luckham: this topic. And then if we've had enough comments on the Coastal Douglas fir, we can move into the

[0:53:24] Trustee Luckham: APC bylaws and then into a more general discussion about agricultural priorities later on. So thank

[0:53:31] Trustee Luckham: you, Bri. Conrad, over to you. There

[0:53:42] Voice 10: you go. Can you hear me now? Okay.

[0:53:45] Voice 10: Well, I could echo all the

[0:53:49] Voice 10: kinds of thoughts and ideas that Brian presented. Jason talked about the ALR and how it's structured

[0:53:58] Voice 10: in such a way that any impact of this policy or these proposals would have minimal impact

[0:54:06] Voice 10: or no impact at all on the ALR, but it's the other 44% of the farms on Saltstone that would

[0:54:11] Voice 10: be or could be impacted by this.

[0:54:14] Voice 10: And I was wondering if one of your panelists, Doug Pepper, the Air Council, the Ministry

[0:54:20] Voice 10: of Air Council, could maybe talk a bit about the Right to Farm Act and how it could protect

[0:54:25] Voice 10: the current operations that already have farm status on the island. And I think that there are

[0:54:34] Voice 10: legislative areas regarding protecting farming across BC and on Salt Spring. So maybe if Doug

[0:54:42] Voice 10: would like to comment on how the Right to Farm Act is protecting existing operations on the island.

[0:54:48] Voice 10: yeah

[0:54:51] Voice 17: i can jump in on that the right to farm act really protects um farmers on in the alr

[0:55:00] Voice 17: outside of the alr the the farm act protects people against nuisance and um so if somebody's

[0:55:10] Voice 17: doing something on their farm that a neighbor doesn't like or the local government decides

[0:55:17] Voice 17: to go after them for following normal farm practices that's where the farm act helps there

[0:55:24] Voice 17: it doesn't protect them it doesn't give them a free reign to do whatever they like on the farm

[0:55:30] Voice 17: you know only it only helps them protect from nuisance um suits or you know somebody saying

[0:55:37] Voice 17: i want to take you to court because you're you have pigs on your farm or you're you're noisy uh

[0:55:43] Voice 17: running your tractor at five in the morning or something like that so this is a little outside

[0:55:49] Voice 17: of what that would protect a farmer but it protects the farmer doing what's called what is expected to

[0:55:56] Voice 17: be normal farm practices how they run their business is within the realm of what other

[0:56:03] Voice 17: farmers are how they do business so the local government has a certain

[0:56:09] Voice 17: they can set up their certain bylaws for certain things but the right to farm act is protecting the

[0:56:17] Voice 17: farmer from doing business as would be expected by other farms thank you very

[0:56:27] Trustee Luckham: good thank you doug for

[0:56:28] Trustee Luckham: helping us out with that anybody else otherwise we can go on to the apc topic i'm not seeing

[0:56:41] Trustee Luckham: anybody wave at me so let's move on to the APC topic then and really appreciate the input and

[0:56:47] Trustee Luckham: you will be hearing more from us um and uh we definitely want to continue this kind of a

[0:56:53] Trustee Luckham: dialogue so draft amendments to the APC um who's going to carry the weight on this one looks like

[0:57:00] Trustee Luckham: Christine Mays thank you for joining us today Christine I'll turn it over to you to tell us

[0:57:06] Trustee Luckham: what's going on here thank

[0:57:07] Planner Mayes: you chair luckham um so you guys will see hopefully my powerpoint

[0:57:12] Planner Mayes: presentation that i've created for you uh and for the benefit of those who aren't able to see it

[0:57:18] Planner Mayes: i'll i'll sort of read it out loud um so the memorandum that was provided in your package

[0:57:24] Planner Mayes: uh proposes amendments to the salt spring island local trust committee advisory planning commission

[0:57:29] Planner Mayes: Commission bylaw number 467 for abbreviation it'll be APC bylaw as well as the Salt Spring

[0:57:36] Planner Mayes: Island Advisory Planning Commission's Terms of Reference or the TOR and they're here in front

[0:57:43] Planner Mayes: of you for discussion to address the recommendations of the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[0:57:48] Planner Mayes: or AAPC. Further to a staff report provided to the LTC noted that the APC's AAPC is limited in

[0:57:57] Planner Mayes: their roles and responsibilities by relevant legislations and policies, specifically the

[0:58:02] Planner Mayes: Local Government Act. It is constituted as a referral body only as described in section 461

[0:58:09] Planner Mayes: of the Local Government Act and we addressed several of the or all of the recommendations

[0:58:15] Planner Mayes: that were put forward by the AAPC at their March 5th meeting and noted that a lot of them are

[0:58:21] Planner Mayes: outside the legislative capability of the LTC and the APC.

[0:58:26] Planner Mayes: However, staff do note that one of the recommendations could be addressed

[0:58:30] Planner Mayes: by way of amending our APC bylaw and the terms of reference.

[0:58:34] Planner Mayes: And that one specifically was inviting the Ministry of Agriculture

[0:58:38] Planner Mayes: to appoint a representative to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission.

[0:58:42] Planner Mayes: And certainly I'd like to acknowledge that Doug Pepper is here

[0:58:46] Planner Mayes: from the Ministry of Agriculture today and thank him for his time

[0:58:49] Planner Mayes: time to come meet with us and hope we'll be seeing more of them in the future. So staff have included

[0:59:00] Planner Mayes: a draft amended APC bylaw which proposes to remove section 6.8 in its entirety and a draft

[0:59:06] Planner Mayes: amended terms of reference which proposes to remove section 11 in its entirety and these

[0:59:12] Planner Mayes: amendments would allow for a return of a provincial employee to the APC meetings in a resource

[0:59:17] Planner Mayes: capacity should they choose to attend and those sections are in front of you there.

[0:59:23] Planner Mayes: Specifically 6.8 says the APC must not receive development proposals and other applications

[0:59:29] Planner Mayes: directly from the applicants. APC directly relating to to both commission bodies and as

[0:59:35] Planner Mayes: well as 11 the Advisory Planning Commission may only request technical information from other

[0:59:40] Planner Mayes: agencies or individuals through Islands Trust staff. Additionally those draft documents in

[0:59:46] Planner Mayes: front of you or in the agenda are proposed to be updated to reference the correct sections

[0:59:51] Planner Mayes: of the Local Government Act and also for clarity. A recommendation was provided in that memorandum

[1:00:00] Planner Mayes: LTC wish to further consider the topic and look forward to any discussion and I can answer any

[1:00:06] Planner Mayes: questions.

[1:00:09] Trustee Luckham: Very good thank you very much Planner Mays. So if you might return the screen that's

[1:00:15] Trustee Luckham: perfect thank you. Any questions from anybody about these draft amendments to the APC we'll

[1:00:24] Trustee Luckham: be discussing them at a future LTC meeting but we would like to hear from APC members

[1:00:30] Trustee Luckham: members, AAPC members, if they had any further thoughts or considerations. That's Bree and

[1:00:40] Trustee Luckham: Conrad. I'm not sure who else is on the AAPC. Gordon, I see your hand up and Conrad, you've

[1:00:46] Trustee Luckham: got a hand up. You'll have to unmute yourself, Gordon.

[1:00:57] Voice 18: I'll go after Conrad if Conrad wants to go first.

[1:01:02] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. Conrad,

[1:01:03] Voice 10: over to you.

[1:01:04] Voice 10: Thank you. In the past, I became a member of the AAPC in 2003. And since then, we've had two, Rob Klein and Derek Matzling, as representatives of the Department of Agriculture on the AAPC.

[1:01:24] Voice 10: And what they provided us was some very useful technical information about activities, again, in the ALR.

[1:01:33] Voice 10: And it really helped us clarify and understand the parameters of how our decisions would be made.

[1:01:41] Voice 10: So any changes that could be made to fortify, to get the Ministry of Agriculture involved in our discussion to give us some very solid information, give good referral to the trust would be very useful.

[1:01:58] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:02:03] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Conrad.

[1:02:05] Trustee Luckham: Over to you, Gordon.

[1:02:06] Voice 18: Yeah, and I support what Conrad just said.

[1:02:11] Voice 18: As coming into this in the last few months, I want to make sure that I work directly for the trustees so that the format of when our group is given an issue or a problem, I'm hoping it can be fairly tight.

[1:02:30] Voice 18: So I feel like when I work in a group and I provide the advice, it's really based on terms of reference, references set by the trustees around a particular issue.

[1:02:49] Voice 18: Now, I'm not saying that it's that simple, but that's why I'm here, is to provide that technical support directly to the trustees who are going to be meeting this year.

[1:03:02] Voice 18: Thank

[1:03:06] Trustee Luckham: you, Gordon. I wonder, Planner Mace, I don't see any other hands right up at the moment, but with respect to the terms of reference,

[1:03:17] Trustee Luckham: there were some recommendations from the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[1:03:22] Trustee Luckham: and the trustees did consider that some months ago now I think you have any

[1:03:29] Trustee Luckham: updates or remarks associated with the amendments to the terms of reference specifically or in

[1:03:34] Trustee Luckham: addition to what you've already said

[1:03:36] Planner Mayes: yep so so those have been captured in in in what's in the

[1:03:42] Planner Mayes: draft amended versions that are in front of you so with with hopes that uh this goes forward to

[1:03:48] Planner Mayes: a future local trust committee meeting um we can we can move forward with with some of those

[1:03:52] Planner Mayes: amendments right

[1:03:54] Trustee Luckham: thank you um anybody

[1:03:59] Voice 12: else oh

[1:04:00] Trustee Luckham: go ahead yes thank

[1:04:04] Voice 12: you um as somebody i i have also

[1:04:07] Voice 12: not been very long on the aapc um so i thought it'd be useful for gordon to hear my perspective

[1:04:13] Voice 12: I've been on for, I guess, this is my second year.

[1:04:16] Voice 12: And, you know, my first year, I was blessed with the discussion about cannabis production.

[1:04:26] Voice 12: And, you know, that I spent several weeks as a scientist.

[1:04:31] Voice 12: I went to the literature and trying to read up on it.

[1:04:35] Voice 12: And we really needed somebody that I think is a very good example of why we needed somebody

[1:04:40] Voice 12: from the Ministry of Agriculture in the room to be able to address, you know, the myriad

[1:04:45] Voice 12: of scientifically unresolved, you know, questions that came up in that discussion.

[1:04:51] Voice 12: So I think that this is a fantastic idea, and I really appreciate it.

[1:05:01] Trustee Luckham: Okay, very good.

[1:05:02] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for that comment.

[1:05:05] Trustee Luckham: Appreciate it.

[1:05:06] Trustee Luckham: Anybody else here?

[1:05:08] Trustee Luckham: and Ruth I apologize for not actually keeping an eye on your on your phone connection there

[1:05:14] Trustee Luckham: so thanks for chiming in anybody else here Doug go ahead nice to hear from you my

[1:05:24] Voice 17: physical and

[1:05:25] Voice 17: my electronic hand was raised there so we got me just just a bump for ministry of agriculture

[1:05:33] Voice 17: fisheries or food and fisheries now regardless of how your the amendments go whether

[1:05:40] Voice 17: whether it includes agriculture or not,

[1:05:43] Voice 17: just wanted to know that I'm always accessible.

[1:05:46] Voice 17: That's my job is extension.

[1:05:48] Voice 17: So feel free no matter what to ask for help.

[1:05:53] Voice 17: And that's part of my work is to link communities with the proper

[1:06:00] Voice 17: specialists.

[1:06:00] Voice 17: We have a whole suite of specialists and land use planners and the whole

[1:06:04] Voice 17: nine yards, the regime with the cannabis, the whole, the whole gamut.

[1:06:09] Voice 17: So that door is always open.

[1:06:14] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Doug.

[1:06:16] Trustee Luckham: Maybe I'll just ask the planning staff here as well, with respect to the amendments, and

[1:06:21] Trustee Luckham: we're certainly providing that opportunity to be inclusive of a provincial representation

[1:06:26] Trustee Luckham: on the committee.

[1:06:27] Trustee Luckham: How do you see this unfolding in terms of a mechanism of ensuring that Doug or his colleagues

[1:06:35] Trustee Luckham: are advised of what's on the agenda for the meetings and when the meetings are and how

[1:06:41] Trustee Luckham: it is that he might attend or how it is that APC members might reach out to him and perhaps Doug

[1:06:46] Trustee Luckham: would like to chime in specifically on that topic but Christine from our point of view from an

[1:06:51] Trustee Luckham: administrative perspective how do you see that unfolding?

[1:06:56] Planner Mayes: Certainly maybe Stefan wishes to weigh

[1:06:59] Planner Mayes: in but we've got a great admin team here who are constantly keeping our AAPC and APC on their own

[1:07:07] Planner Mayes: as well um in in touch so certainly i think we could probably put put a process together to make

[1:07:12] Planner Mayes: sure that we include doug in in the future okay

[1:07:16] Trustee Luckham: rpm cermak do you have something to offer advice

[1:07:20] Voice 6: sure um hello everybody i think as of the amendments of the terms of reference

[1:07:27] Voice 6: we can include a permanent member um invitation and so every time that the aapc

[1:07:34] Voice 6: is invited to meet, that invitation will go out to ministry staff and they will get the same

[1:07:40] Voice 6: information that AAPC members will. As well, you will have each other's contact information. I

[1:07:46] Voice 6: believe that's part of the orientation package. If not, be happy to reprovide that. And as Doug

[1:07:52] Voice 6: mentioned, you're free to reach out to them, to the ministry, use him personally, and he can sort

[1:07:59] Voice 6: of be your, your mole inside the system to figure out how to go about getting information that you

[1:08:03] Voice 6: may or may not wish to know so if there's anything any other ideas on how we can make it better

[1:08:08] Voice 6: all ears okay

[1:08:12] Trustee Luckham: well let's keep that door open i think stefan to try and improve it as we go along

[1:08:16] Trustee Luckham: and maybe i'll just give one more opportunity to doug if you have any recommendations or

[1:08:22] Trustee Luckham: suggestions about how the ltc or our staff might make it easier for you um

[1:08:28] Voice 17: it's always great to

[1:08:29] Voice 17: hear things before they actually have occurred and they go to the minister it's always my preference

[1:08:35] Voice 17: so uh because you know how things flow downhill so um anytime a advance notice is always preferable

[1:08:45] Voice 17: but as I mentioned we have lots of specialists in the staff and we have some guys like Reed Bailey

[1:08:53] Voice 17: in Victoria who's our land use planner for the area that really knows the ins and outs of the ALC

[1:08:59] Voice 17: sea having worked there before and that's his sort of job is to connect uh make sure local

[1:09:06] Voice 17: government uh has the uh right information on how to proceed with any of the bylaw changes and

[1:09:13] Voice 17: how it affects agriculture so like like i mentioned before just reach out as soon as you can or

[1:09:20] Voice 17: whenever you need to and uh we'll we'll make the hookups that we need to get to make everything

[1:09:26] Voice 17: go smoothly as it was mentioned there's there's a lot of uh black holes to go down when you're

[1:09:32] Voice 17: looking for government information

[1:09:34] Trustee Luckham: yeah thank you okay doug thank you appreciate uh that kind

[1:09:40] Trustee Luckham: generous offer um so if there's nothing else on this terms of reference or the uh or on the bylaws

[1:09:47] Trustee Luckham: we'll go into the discussion of agricultural priorities and maybe i want just see if the

[1:09:54] Trustee Luckham: the trustees want to chime in at this time with any perspective that you might have in terms of

[1:09:59] Trustee Luckham: priorities. Otherwise, we'll continue on with the members of the agriculture community. I'm getting

[1:10:04] Trustee Luckham: a no from Peter Grove. Laura Patrick?

[1:10:09] Voice 5: No, I'm happy to hear the conversation.

[1:10:12] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So again, I'll try and keep an eye on the digital hands, but if you raise your physical

[1:10:18] Trustee Luckham: hand as well, what are you thinking in terms of agricultural priorities at the moment?

[1:10:24] Trustee Luckham: Are

[1:10:30] Voice 12: you inviting me to speak, Peter?

[1:10:33] Trustee Luckham: Yes, please, Ruth. That would be terrific.

[1:10:36] Voice 12: Okay. Thank you. And I might drop off in a little bit, so I will apologize in advance, and I appreciate the comment.

[1:10:43] Voice 12: So as I think it's going to come up many times, my concern is on climate change and seasonal weather shifts and also changes in the pattern of heat and rainfall and what this is going to mean for the agricultural community.

[1:11:05] Voice 12: So I have a background. I worked for just shy of 20 years doing climate risk assessment and adaptation work for agricultural communities in Canada.

[1:11:20] Voice 12: And basically, it has to be looked at in a site-specific way.

[1:11:26] Voice 12: So the general rule of thumb or the advice that comes from the province is not going to be relevant to Salt Spring or the Gulf Islands.

[1:11:35] Voice 12: And so I think that, for me, the concern is around water, heat, drought, prolonged drought, and associated things.

[1:11:45] Voice 12: But I know that the Agricultural Alliance is also very concerned about this.

[1:11:53] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you for that, Ruth.

[1:11:55] Trustee Luckham: Anybody else want to chime in on that or anything else?

[1:11:59] Trustee Luckham: Or maybe if Doug has something to offer as the agrologist about the data that is or is not available specifically for salt spring?

[1:12:07] Trustee Luckham: bring

[1:12:11] Voice 17: yeah i don't i mean they have the uh agriculture land use inventories and some of

[1:12:18] Voice 17: that stuff but those are all a lot of funding dependent as for the climate action stuff there's

[1:12:24] Voice 17: been a lot of that being done and it's currently being done and um i'm very much involved in the

[1:12:32] Voice 17: the coke salad drought issues which a lot of that stuff will be transferable to other

[1:12:38] Voice 17: local watersheds as well. So that work is going on through the Comox Valley, the Port Alberni,

[1:12:47] Voice 17: and the Cowichan Valley. So some of that information can be transferable for sure, but

[1:12:53] Voice 17: as for specific stuff to the Salt Spring, it's probably not being driven so much by the

[1:13:02] Voice 17: the government just probably population perspective of you know what's the biggest

[1:13:08] Voice 17: bang for the buck when you've got limited amounts of funds available to do things like that

[1:13:16] Voice 17: but there are lots of initiatives coming up and that that could be transferable to

[1:13:22] Voice 17: information that's useful to the islands I know that's much use but I like to as things come

[1:13:31] Voice 17: along i'll probably try to forward the information out to the the agencies are the um the different

[1:13:38] Voice 17: working groups on the island to get so they're not losing out on these um projects that are coming

[1:13:44] Voice 17: along okay

[1:13:46] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much doug i see brian webster's hand up digital uh

[1:13:53] Voice 13: yeah although it's

[1:13:55] Voice 13: on a slightly different topic so if anybody has anything more to say on this one i'm happy to wait

[1:14:01] Trustee Luckham: Anybody on this topic? Otherwise, we'll go to Brian's. Okay, Brian, looks like you've got the

[1:14:07] Trustee Luckham: floor.

[1:14:09] Voice 13: Okay, thank you. When the Board of the Agricultural Alliance talked about this meeting

[1:14:18] Voice 13: and what we wanted to be focusing on, we ended up concluding that there's some pretty general

[1:14:28] Voice 13: and overarching things that we thought it was really important to state, you know, right up

[1:14:37] Voice 13: front in the sense that this is just the second time having this sort of meeting. Because we

[1:14:45] Voice 13: have some, well, we very much appreciate the fact that the trust has asked to meet with us

[1:14:55] Voice 13: regularly because we recognize that that we need to be doing more to engage with

[1:15:05] Voice 13: the trust and the fences of not having done so in a real regular ongoing way in

[1:15:14] Voice 13: at least the recent past are of quite a bit of concern to us I'm sure everyone

[1:15:25] Voice 13: Everyone knows that the island has a long history in food production, agriculture and food production, you know, 5,000 years of the First Nations, depending on spring as a source of food for the whole region.

[1:15:44] Voice 13: And since settlers arrived here, first and foremost, agriculture and food production were top of the list.

[1:15:54] Voice 13: Agriculture has, you know, since settlers have been here, always been significant land use on the island and still is today.

[1:16:06] Voice 13: day. Significant part of the economy and the potential to be much more. Significant contributor

[1:16:15] Voice 13: to positive climate action and the potential to do so more. Yet, when we look at the Islands Trust

[1:16:24] Voice 13: trust as the land use regulator on Salt Spring Island and, you know, a significant, I don't

[1:16:37] Voice 13: know, contributor to what people are thinking about, what people are talking about, we see

[1:16:42] Voice 13: a real mismatch. And we think it's reflected in at least some of the work and the documents

[1:16:52] Voice 13: that are produced by the trust.

[1:16:55] Voice 13: For example, the policy directions document

[1:16:58] Voice 13: that the trust is currently consulting on,

[1:17:01] Voice 13: trust-wide, a 16-page document, the current one,

[1:17:07] Voice 13: the words farming or agriculture once in the middle of a list.

[1:17:16] Voice 13: The word food security does appear a few times,

[1:17:19] Voice 13: although mostly in acknowledging what you heard from residents in your consultations very little

[1:17:27] Voice 13: reference in priorities talking in sorry in sections talking about the priorities

[1:17:33] Voice 13: for the next 30 years that document granted that it's brief and high level but it really says

[1:17:41] Voice 13: says nothing about the the role of local food production as land use to be protected and

[1:17:49] Voice 13: encouraged as an active that has a central role in addressing other priorities including ones that

[1:17:58] Voice 13: that are talked about you know relatively extensively in that document such as climate

[1:18:04] Voice 13: climate change. But when that document talks about that, so six objectives, only one of them

[1:18:13] Voice 13: mentions anything to do with agriculture and food production. And that's, you know,

[1:18:20] Voice 13: just sort of bunched together with active transportation and cluster development.

[1:18:25] Voice 13: development. It just does not give the impression that local food and that agriculture as a land

[1:18:35] Voice 13: use are a big deal to the island's trust. And I know that Salt Spring isn't the only island where

[1:18:40] Voice 13: agriculture is significant. It certainly is here. And so when we see other projects, and we already

[1:18:50] Voice 13: already taught the Coast Salish one and I said my piece on on that how I think at least at this

[1:18:56] Voice 13: stage it's missing the boat a little bit in in terms of uh addressing uh the issues affecting

[1:19:03] Voice 13: agriculture um uh same thing uh around the climate change stuff um same thing in the not so distant

[1:19:12] Voice 13: past in in dealing with uh issues around industrial land and the solutions that the trust came up with

[1:19:19] Voice 13: creating complications and a lot of angst for farmers who are now told that if you're one of

[1:19:27] Voice 13: the 44% who are farming outside the ALR, the composting activities you've been doing for so

[1:19:34] Voice 13: many years, now there are big questions as to whether that's legal to even do. And so I guess

[1:19:43] Voice 13: what we want to say at this point is, you know, thank you for us to talk to you. And we want to

[1:19:50] Voice 13: do so we want to continue doing so. And we want to really push you to look at everything you do

[1:19:57] Voice 13: with a lens that includes local food and agriculture, not just the stuff where it is

[1:20:05] Voice 13: is explicitly and clearly and centrally about farming or agriculture or local food, but other

[1:20:12] Voice 13: initiatives as well. It's like that lens doesn't seem to be there so that we get blindsided by

[1:20:19] Voice 13: things or we find out about things when they're well along the track because they're not about

[1:20:25] Voice 13: agriculture when really there is not that much on Salt Spring Island that doesn't touch on that.

[1:20:34] Voice 13: that. So that's essentially what, what I want to say just at a general level to encourage the trust

[1:20:41] Voice 13: to one, keep talking to us and to really take seriously the, like the complexity of many of

[1:20:50] Voice 13: these issues is, is hard to manage. But if you leave something as important as the role of

[1:20:57] Voice 13: of agriculture, farming, and local food production

[1:21:01] Voice 13: out of it, we all end up worse off.

[1:21:04] Voice 13: So that's my pitch.

[1:21:08] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you for that pitch

[1:21:10] Trustee Luckham: and appreciate you bringing that to our attention.

[1:21:14] Trustee Luckham: And indeed in terms of the policy statement review

[1:21:18] Trustee Luckham: that is the kind of thing we want to hear.

[1:21:20] Trustee Luckham: And I'm hoping that you have,

[1:21:22] Trustee Luckham: I don't necessarily review in detail

[1:21:25] Trustee Luckham: all the documents that we've seen

[1:21:27] Trustee Luckham: But I know agriculture is something that is commonly talked about. And if we haven't said that out loud, that is quite likely an oversight. So if you've made a submission to that process already, then thank you.

[1:21:42] Trustee Luckham: and if you haven't, then I certainly recommend it because we do want to hear from the agriculture.

[1:21:49] Trustee Luckham: Food security is clearly an important thing. People eat food and we need food and if we can

[1:21:56] Trustee Luckham: get it locally, all the better, of course. So thank you, Brian. Anybody else on any of those

[1:22:04] Trustee Luckham: topics or a new topic? Gordon, Brent.

[1:22:08] Voice 18: Thanks. This is just an appreciation

[1:22:11] Voice 18: appreciation that we're seeing an expansion of uh farm stands uh partly in in response to covid

[1:22:20] Voice 18: and something seems to be working i know there are you know problems here and there and there

[1:22:26] Voice 18: and number of uh you know authorities involved not just islands trust but uh keeping these food

[1:22:36] Voice 18: stands going and unobstructed and allowing them to proliferate, I think is a very positive

[1:22:42] Voice 18: development. Similarly, farmers are trying to sell their food in new ways. There's been a lot

[1:22:53] Voice 18: of talk about the young people have gone into a rezoning process around their bakery, and they're

[1:23:00] Voice 18: They're very committed to working within the Islands Trust framework, but allowing them

[1:23:08] Voice 18: to continue to operate also allows a group of young farmers to sell their greens on the

[1:23:15] Voice 18: weekend, which involves crucial income and allows these operations to continue.

[1:23:23] Voice 18: Thanks.

[1:23:24] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:23:28] Trustee Luckham: Anyone else?

[1:23:30] Trustee Luckham: um

[1:23:30] Voice 2: i san you didn't see my hand so i'm jumping in here oh

[1:23:34] Trustee Luckham: yeah i see it now thank you for bringing

[1:23:36] Trustee Luckham: my attention to that and go

[1:23:38] Trustee Luckham: ahead yes

[1:23:39] Voice 2: i'd just like to go sort of back to the the document that

[1:23:42] Voice 2: brian was talking about i think that the trouble the reason why agriculture doesn't come forward

[1:23:49] Voice 2: is because you're using this term food security and to some people that means there's still food

[1:23:55] Voice 2: in the grocery store it doesn't necessarily mean um an understanding of local a local food system

[1:24:03] Voice 2: buying from the local farmers that kind of thing and so and in the climate action plan we had a

[1:24:11] Voice 2: whole section all about the importance of food to address the climate issues and for those that

[1:24:19] Voice 2: have read the cat plan they'll get it but for the other people they don't get it so i just want to

[1:24:25] Voice 2: you know reinforce what Brian was saying it's the the words you choose and and where they appear

[1:24:32] Voice 2: that that is important it seems you know some people will read that and say oh yeah that's

[1:24:39] Voice 2: agriculture but lots of people won't won't see it in the document at all so well thank you Anne for

[1:24:48] Trustee Luckham: raising that I tried to start off on that note about indeed the use of the language is it creates

[1:24:55] Trustee Luckham: barriers and creates assumptions and I'm really glad that you've raised that because I can see

[1:25:02] Trustee Luckham: that that does not provide the opportunity for a full understanding of what it is we're talking

[1:25:10] Trustee Luckham: about. Certainly I'm concerned about local agriculture and agriculture generally but yeah

[1:25:15] Trustee Luckham: it is the superstore going to be open is something that comes into people's minds as well.

[1:25:21] Trustee Luckham: So, thank you for that.

[1:25:23] Trustee Luckham: Anybody else on any of these topics of discussion?

[1:25:29] Trustee Luckham: Conrad.

[1:25:35] Voice 10: All right.

[1:25:36] Voice 10: In the last year and a half, we undertook the review of the area farm plan, the renewal of the area farm plan.

[1:25:47] Voice 10: And unfortunately, the last community meeting that we had in March coincided with the shutdown of the province.

[1:25:55] Voice 10: and we've lost a lot of, I guess, momentum in getting the plan out

[1:25:59] Voice 10: and getting it discussed and implemented by the community.

[1:26:04] Voice 10: The first plan that we did back in 2007 got a tremendous response from the community

[1:26:10] Voice 10: and we were able to implement the strategic priorities

[1:26:14] Voice 10: in a pretty well impactful way on agriculture on the island.

[1:26:19] Voice 10: This time, you're asking us to discuss agricultural priorities.

[1:26:25] Voice 10: And this time around, I think that the biggest priority I think we have is that are enumerated in the Area Farm Plan.

[1:26:33] Voice 10: It's helping us build the capacity to implement the Area Farm Plan.

[1:26:39] Voice 10: Because I personally believe that we've lost a bit of the emphasis because of COVID,

[1:26:44] Voice 10: is that getting and working with the audience to help us implement the plan, the Area Farm Plan, would be a major priority for us.

[1:26:53] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:26:53] Voice 10: uh

[1:26:56] Trustee Luckham: thank you for that conrad certainly if that's a topic we want to explore a little deeper we

[1:27:01] Trustee Luckham: could discuss it at a future meeting as well anybody else i'd

[1:27:10] Voice 2: like to speak again if i could

[1:27:11] Trustee Luckham: oh and please go ahead yes

[1:27:15] Voice 2: so going back to the area farm plan and also to the discussion we had

[1:27:19] Voice 2: at the last time one of the um things that have carried through from the first plan to now is the

[1:27:25] Voice 2: importance of of composting and a community composting we had a little bit of discussion

[1:27:30] Voice 2: last week and it was last time we met and it's very clear that there are areas where we disagree

[1:27:38] Voice 2: and there are areas where we not sure about the interpretation and we think there's numerous

[1:27:46] Voice 2: challenges with the bylaws and what the agriculture community would like to do

[1:27:50] Voice 2: we want to go away like form our own little task group or something and go through

[1:27:56] Voice 2: everywhere in those bylaws where composting is mentioned and perhaps come back to the staff or

[1:28:05] Voice 2: to this committee with what we think about it and how it could be improved for either better

[1:28:11] Voice 2: understanding or what's been missed or a different interpretation in order to move forward with what

[1:28:18] Voice 2: we want to do here on the island we want to allow farmers to to compost to improve their soils and

[1:28:26] Voice 2: organic matter content using compost to allow for um composting organic waste from restaurants and

[1:28:35] Voice 2: where you know the avatar all those things that we want to happen in a environmentally responsible

[1:28:40] Voice 2: way that meets the area farm plan what we want to do there and also addresses climate action so

[1:28:49] Voice 2: it's a very problematic area which raises seems seems to be getting more problematic than easier

[1:28:58] Voice 2: so we'd like to present something to you maybe for the next meeting about where we think some

[1:29:04] Voice 2: work could be done in terms of bylaw revisions or those kind of changes?

[1:29:11] Trustee Luckham: Well sure, I think

[1:29:12] Trustee Luckham: certainly if it's unclear and there's different interpretations or misunderstandings about the

[1:29:21] Trustee Luckham: intent, I think it's incredibly important that we have some kind of conversation about that and

[1:29:28] Trustee Luckham: determine how it is that we might affect that. Maybe just turn to staff to see how we might

[1:29:35] Trustee Luckham: squeeze that into our agendas in the near future in order to reflect on how it is we might do that

[1:29:43] Trustee Luckham: or might that just be simply a referral to the APC to come back to us with some recommendations?

[1:29:51] Trustee Luckham: I see Stefan Cermak has come online. Over to you, sir.

[1:29:55] Voice 6: Sure. I think the most appropriate process as per the

[1:30:00] Voice 6: law is that the agricultural alliance refers it directly to the ldc and the ldc refers it to the

[1:30:06] Voice 6: aabc so no problem having a discussion about it but if you actually want to get some work done

[1:30:11] Voice 6: on it at this table that's the proper process to go

[1:30:16] Trustee Luckham: okay so is that understood by the trustees and

[1:30:19] Trustee Luckham: everybody else because i think definitely um let's resolve this if there's obviously still

[1:30:25] Trustee Luckham: still outstanding issues here. So let's resolve it. Okay. Is there anything else? Or do we I'm

[1:30:35] Trustee Luckham: just thinking about when our next meeting is scheduled. And maybe staff might be able to help

[1:30:40] Trustee Luckham: me out with that if we've scheduled one at all. And I'll go to Terry at the moment. Your

[1:30:47] Trustee Luckham: microphones here.

[1:30:50] Voice 8: I just wanted to emphasize the point that Brian was making, that we need to look

[1:30:59] Voice 8: at the broad issue and and so we need language for example that is not just

[1:31:08] Voice 8: ALR specific but is inclusive of agriculture so that you take that into

[1:31:14] Voice 8: consideration when you're developing your policies so that it treats

[1:31:21] Voice 8: agriculture in general regardless of where it happens to be specifically

[1:31:26] Voice 8: specifically located. I think that will go a long ways to ameliorating the problems that

[1:31:34] Voice 8: the agricultural community is seeing in specific language and okay for them, but it's not okay for

[1:31:42] Voice 8: them.

[1:31:47] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you, Terry. Anybody else? So perhaps we've run out of steam at this point.

[1:32:03] Trustee Luckham: I'll just ask staff if we tentatively earmarked another meeting here in the near future.

[1:32:09] Trustee Luckham: Stefan, I see you come online there.

[1:32:11] Trustee Luckham: You're nodding your head.

[1:32:12] Voice 6: I am, Mr. Chair.

[1:32:14] Voice 6: Tentatively, the dates are July 15th and November 18th.

[1:32:20] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[1:32:22] Trustee Luckham: Because, of course, we are concerned about conflicting with real agricultural work instead of all this talk.

[1:32:30] Trustee Luckham: So that was July.

[1:32:32] Trustee Luckham: What was it again?

[1:32:33] Trustee Luckham: The 18th?

[1:32:33] Voice 6: July 15th and November 18th okay

[1:32:39] Trustee Luckham: great um so that's certainly lots of time between now and

[1:32:43] Trustee Luckham: July so um perhaps we might consider um some form of referral process or something associated with

[1:32:53] Trustee Luckham: looking at the composting particularly and indeed the farm plan discussion also seems very uh worthy

[1:33:01] Trustee Luckham: That's something that's of interest to other trust areas as well that have foreign plans.

[1:33:08] Trustee Luckham: So if there's nothing else then I want to thank everybody for joining us and having

[1:33:15] Trustee Luckham: this conversation. We look forward to doing more of it. I think it's obviously worthwhile

[1:33:22] Trustee Luckham: and I'll ask the trustees if they have any closing remarks or anybody else a closing remark.

[1:33:27] Trustee Luckham: Mark, trustees?

[1:33:29] Trustee Grove: I just wish to say thank you to one and all

[1:33:31] Trustee Grove: for taking the time to come and talk to us.

[1:33:34] Trustee Grove: It's been really worthwhile

[1:33:35] Trustee Grove: and I look forward to ongoing discussions

[1:33:39] Trustee Grove: and consultations.

[1:33:44] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[1:33:45] Trustee Luckham: Laura, Patrick, are you still with us there?

[1:33:48] Voice 5: I am, I am.

[1:33:50] Voice 5: No, I really appreciate it.

[1:33:52] Voice 5: I heard everyone very loud and clear,

[1:33:53] Voice 5: took lots of notes.

[1:33:56] Voice 5: These things like project charters and so forth

[1:33:58] Voice 5: are not carved in stone.

[1:34:02] Voice 5: We may change those.

[1:34:05] Voice 5: We should have reached out and consulted before,

[1:34:10] Voice 5: but this is about moving forward

[1:34:12] Voice 5: and having a good relationship.

[1:34:14] Voice 5: And so I know I'm open to, like, I heard everything.

[1:34:17] Voice 5: There was nothing I went, oh, my goodness,

[1:34:19] Voice 5: it was all correct.

[1:34:21] Voice 5: We are also, as you know,

[1:34:23] Voice 5: Islands Trust is a local government and a federation,

[1:34:26] Voice 5: And the three of us, particularly Peter and I, Peter Grove and I are your local trustees at the big trust council table. So we can carry your voice into that table as well. And we're, I see that very much as our role.

[1:34:45] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Laura. Anybody else any closing remarks, Doug? I see your video came on.

[1:34:53] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[1:34:54] Voice 17: I was just going to, compost was brought up and I just, I'm sure the trust planners are well aware, but agriculture has, you know, fairly strict regulations to follow with agriculture environmental management code of practice, which was revised and brought in in 2019.

[1:35:13] Voice 17: 19 so there's lots of uh lots of things to look towards that when you're when you're working on

[1:35:20] Voice 17: your uh your composting regulations towards agriculture they have some pretty stringent

[1:35:27] Voice 17: stuff to follow regardless of what yours may change to as a minute as a minimum i'm just saying

[1:35:35] Voice 17: but anyways that's out there okay

[1:35:40] Trustee Luckham: well thank you doug appreciate that and i'm sure we would

[1:35:43] Trustee Luckham: rather stick with your regulations and make our own, but we'll see how that unfolds. Anybody else?

[1:35:50] Trustee Luckham: Closing remark? I got a good chuckle from everybody there. Okay, well thank you everybody.

[1:35:59] Trustee Luckham: Let's do this again. I really appreciate the opportunity to hear from you and this is,

[1:36:05] Trustee Luckham: we'll continue on this path to improve things for the island and the agricultural community.

[1:36:13] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So have a good evening, everybody.

[1:36:16] Voice 8: And on behalf of the Agricultural Alliance, we thank you for the opportunity to hear our voices. Thank you.

[1:36:23] Trustee Luckham: Great. Thank you, Terry.

[1:36:27] Trustee Grove: Thank you to staff

[1:36:28] Trustee Grove: for participating.

[1:36:30] Trustee Luckham: Indeed. Thank you, everybody on staff.

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Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of a Special Meeting 
 
 
Date: Thursday, February 11, 2021 
  
Location: Electronic Meeting 
200-1627 Fort Street, Victoria
 
  
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair  
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee 
Peter Grove, Local Trustee 
 
Staff Present: 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Others Present: 
 
 
Stephan Cermak, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
Jason Youmans, Island Planner 
Geordie Gordon, Planner 2 
Kristine Mayes, Planner 1 
Shayla Burnham, Administrative Assistant 
Sarah Shugar, Recorder  
 
Brent Brochu-Ingram, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee  
Terry Clement, Agricultural Alliance 
Bree Eagle, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee 
Anne Macey, Agricultural Alliance 
Doug Pepper, Ministry of Agriculture 
Conrad Pilon, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee  
Margaret Thomson, Agricultural Alliance  
Ruth Waldick, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee 
Brian Webster
, 
Agricultural Alliance
 
One member of the public  
  
These minutes follow the order of the agenda although the sequence may have varied.  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
  
Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 4:02 p.m. and welcomed everyone to an electronic 
meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee. Chair Luckham introduced himself, the 
Trustees and staff and acknowledged that the Local Trust Committee is meeting within Coast 
Salish Territory. Introductions were carried out. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
 By general consent the agenda was approved. 

 
 
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3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
 
 3.1   Local Trust Committee Chair's Welcome and Opening Remarks  
Chair Luckham reported this meeting is an opportunity for the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee  to  have  a  discussion  with  the  members  of  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Agricultural 
Advisory  Planning  Commission  (AAPC)  and  representatives  of  the  Salt  Spring  Island 
Agricultural Alliance on agriculture related issues. 
 
3.2   Protection of Coastal Douglas-Fir and Associated Ecosystems 
 
Planner Youmans presented a PowerPoint presentation regarding the Protection of Coastal 
Douglas-Fir and Associated Ecosystems project. 
 
In discussion the following comments and questions were noted: 
 It is important to consider the use of language in the project charter and to be inclusive 
of all points of view on the topic. 
 It is important to consider the Coastal Douglas-Fir and Associated Ecosystems project in 
association with other priorities such as food security. 
 It  is  important  to  consider  the  connections  between  the Coastal  Douglas-Fir  and 
Associated Ecosystems project, wild fire risk, water availability, and other climate impacts.  
 Meeting attendees were encouraged to attend the Transition Salt Spring Climate Action 
Network event on February 23, 2021. 
 Incentives such as agro-forestry, permaculture crops and fruit crops could be used to 
protect sensitive areas such as forest edges.  
 The Coastal Douglas-Fir (CDF) zone covers the most intense agricultural areas in the lower 
mainland, Vancouver Island and Southern Gulf Islands and a high percentage of the CDF 
zone  is  within  the  Agricultural  Land  Reserve  (ALR).  There  was  a  question  regarding 
whether the Coastal Douglas-Fir and Associated Ecosystems project applies to the entire 
region.  Planner Youmans reported the Coastal Douglas-Fir and Associated Ecosystems 
project is a Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee project and applies to the Salt Spring 
Island Trust Area. The Coastal Douglas fir Conservation Partnership is a roundtable of 
stakeholders including the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and 
Rural Development (FLNRORD), local governments and conservation agencies with the 
goal to encourage local governments to maintain Coastal Douglas fir in the entire region. 
 Concern was expressed regarding the CDF project objectives and the project charter does 
not acknowledge the complexity of the issues including farmland. Almost 50% of the 
actively farmed land on Salt Spring Island is not within the ALR. Some of the priorities in 
the CDF project are in conflict such as preserving the CDF zone and protecting local food 
security.  
 There was a suggestion for community engagement to include early consultation with 
the  agricultural  community,  to  be  specific  to  agricultural  related  issues and  provide 
sufficient time for feedback and discussion. 

 
 
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 Support  was  expressed  for  the protection  of  CDF  zones  and  that  the  large-scale 
deforestation such as the logging of large parcels on Mt. Tuam that has impacted the 
watercourses in that area.  
 It is important to highlight the associated ecosystems as part of the CDF project. Many of 
the ecosystems that exist in farming areas including south facing slopes are compatible 
with agriculture. Many farmers utilize conservation covenants.  
 There was a suggestion to consider an option such as an expanded or neo-ALR to help 
preserve the actively farmed areas that are not within the ALR. 
 There is an active food sovereignty interest in the Saanich area and Salt Spring Island is 
considered  to  have  valuable  areas  for  food  production.  Many  of  the  potential  food 
production areas on Salt Spring Island are on the edge of forests with a range of native, 
deciduous woodland species. Most of these areas could be protected using initiatives 
such as conservation covenants. 
 There was a suggestion that initiatives to compensate farmers not to farm on farmland 
would be a contentious issue. 
 AAPC Chair Bree Eagle reported the CDF project has not been referred to the AAPC for 
comment. 
 It was noted farmland within the ALR would not be significantly impacted by regulations 
to protect CDF zones. Approximately 44% of the actively farmed areas on Salt Spring 
Island are not within the ALR. There was a question regarding how the Right to Farm Act 
would protect existing farms that are not within the ALR. Ministry of Agriculture (MoA) 
representative Doug Pepper reported the Right to Farm Act protects farmers to conduct 
normal farm practices.  
3.3  Draft Amendments to APC Bylaw No. 467 & APC Terms of Reference 
 
Planner Mayes presented a PowerPoint presentation regarding proposed amendments to 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Advisory Planning Commission Bylaw No. 467 (APC 
Bylaw) and the Salt Spring Island Advisory Planning Commission(s) Terms of Reference (TOR) 
for discussion to address the recommendations of the AAPC. 
In discussion the following comments were noted: 
 Support was expressed to invite a MoA representative to be a member of the AAPC. 
Previous MoA representatives Derek Masselink and Rob Klein have provided technical 
information regarding activities within the ALR. Planner Mayes reported the ability to 
invite a MoA representative to be a member of the AAPC is included in the updates to 
the draft APC Bylaw and TOR. 
 It was  noted  that  it  would  have  been  valuable  to  have  the  input from a MoA 
representative when the AAPC was asked to review and comment on the Local Trust 
Committee project concerning the regulation of cannabis. 
 MoA representative  Doug  Pepper advised he and  his  colleagues  are available  for 
consultation on any agricultural related topics.  
 3.4  Discussion of Agricultural Priorities  

 
 
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Chair Luckham advised this is an opportunity for the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
to have a discussion with the members of the Salt Spring Island Agricultural Advisory Planning 
Commission  (AAPC)  and  representatives  of  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Agricultural  Alliance  on 
agriculture priorities.  
 
In discussion the following comments were noted: 
 Concern  was  expressed  regarding  climate  change, seasonal  weather  shifts, heat, 
drought and related impacts to agricultural communities. Impacts need to be considered 
on a site-specific basis.  
 MoA representative Doug Pepper reported there is work underway related to impacts 
of climate change in the Vancouver Island region that will be transferrable to the Gulf 
Islands.  
 Support was expressed for ongoing consultation between the Agricultural Alliance and 
the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee. 
 Agriculture has a long history on Salt Spring Island and has the potential to be a positive 
contributor to climate action. 
 Concern was  expressed  that  the Islands  Trust  Policy  Directives document does  not 
address the role of food production in a meaningful way and support was expressed to 
consider  all  issues  through  the  lens  of  agriculture.  Chair  Luckham  encouraged  the 
Agricultural Alliance to submit input regarding the policy statement. 
 Support was expressed for the importance of farm stands and places for farmers to sell 
their products during the COVID-19 pandemic. 
 It was suggested that the term food security has an association to a food crisis and does 
not accurately represent local agriculture.  
 The launch of the updated Area Farm Plan for Salt Spring Island has been impacted by 
the COVID-19 pandemic. Priorities are articulated in the updated farm plan and would 
be beneficial to discuss with the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee. 
 The  agricultural  community  would  like  to  form  a  task  group  to  review Islands  Trust 
bylaws that speak to composting to provide opportunity for farmers to be permitted to 
compost, improve soils in an environmentally responsible way. RPM Cermak suggested 
the process would be for the Agricultural Alliance to present to the Salt Spring Island 
Local Trust Committee and the LTC could refer the topic to the AAPC. 
 
Agricultural  Alliance Chair  Terry  Clement recommended  the  use  of  language  that  is 
inclusive of agriculture and is not specific to land within the ALR.
 
 The MoA has  composting  regulations  that  would  be  helpful  to  inform  discussions 
regarding composting. 
 
4. ADJOURNMENT 
 
The  next  meeting  is  scheduled  on  July  15,  2021  and  the  following  meeting  is  scheduled  on 
November 18, 2021. 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 5:35 p.m. 
 

 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
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Sarah Shugar, Recorder