Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, February 16, 2021

[0:00:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, well, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:00:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting for February the 15th already. I want to acknowledge my gratitude for living and working

[0:00:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): in Coast Salish Territory. My name is Peter Luckham, and I live on Thetis Island, which is

[0:00:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the Lyakson and Penelakut territory and in reading our materials and staff reports

[0:00:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm pleased with the recognition of the significance of the historical archaeological

[0:00:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): values within the Trust Area and pleased that we give that serious consideration as we

[0:00:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): advance the work of the land use planning in the Trust Area and on Salt Spring Island.

[0:00:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): um i'm joined today by the local trust committee members uh laura patrick um good morning

[0:01:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): and peter grove good morning locally elected i'm also joined by uh staff uh jason yeomans

[0:01:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): louisa garbo taylor burnham doing our technology today sarah sugar running minutes stefan sermac

[0:01:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): our regional planning manager uh william schulbach good morning william thank you for joining us our

[0:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): freshwater specialist and planner uh jordy gordon as well so thank you everybody i thank you for all

[0:01:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): the work that you uh do to prepare us um for the important decision making that we undertake here

[0:01:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): so uh we have an agenda uh before us and i would just ask if there's any additions or deletions

[0:01:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): from the agenda today uh laura packard can

[0:01:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): we add a under new business just a we should debrief the

[0:01:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): two versions of the electronic agendas that we've had just discuss them and as a committee

[0:02:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm sorry two

[0:02:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): versions with

[0:02:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): i just think it'd be good to debrief uh the agendas we've had two

[0:02:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): different styles of having the town hall at noon or the town hall at the first of the day i just

[0:02:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): thought we should discuss that as a as a as a group okay

[0:02:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah i understand now um certainly

[0:02:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): we could do that um so why don't we put that under new uh business now i know now i see what's wrong

[0:02:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm looking at the wrong agenda um so just bear with me a second i don't know how that happened

[0:02:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): um oh gosh how did that happen i remain convinced that computers were only sent to uh

[0:03:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): cause us grief despite having spent most of my life in information systems so let's add that then

[0:03:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): to um new business looking for that on the agenda here i think it

[0:03:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be 10

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): .1.2 so

[0:03:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): 10.1.2 thank

[0:03:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): you laura um why don't we call it future meeting agendas anybody else anything no okay then so then

[0:03:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's adopt the agenda um as amended um thank you everybody um so we have a couple of uh minutes

[0:03:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): from our meetings of january 19th and january 22nd so are there any um changes to the draft

[0:04:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes of January the 19th our regular LTC meeting no then I will take it by

[0:04:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): general consent that we adopt those minutes as presented and just go to

[0:04:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): draft minutes of January the 22nd that was a special meeting are there any

[0:04:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): changes to those Laura Patrick um

[0:04:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah on page 19 of our agenda package the

[0:04:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): series of bullets that we work through the wording doesn't match 100% what was

[0:04:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): was on the screen that Louisa was recording.

[0:04:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): So just it's some of its minor,

[0:04:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's just like, you know,

[0:04:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): local trust committee take instead of takes, I believe.

[0:04:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I, and then the one, two, three, four,

[0:04:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): fifth bullet down, the wording was changed.

[0:04:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): So anyway, it doesn't match.

[0:04:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I thought maybe Louisa and the minute taker

[0:04:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): could just coordinate their versions.

[0:04:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[0:05:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): so then let's recommend that the wording be corrected as per trustee Patrick's recommendation

[0:05:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): Louisa was recording on screen as we discussed and this so there was a screen version that she

[0:05:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): shared with us after the meeting and it doesn't match this 100%

[0:05:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): how would staff like to address

[0:05:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): that so that we can adopt the meeting minutes today.

[0:05:43] Voice 17: Good morning, is Louisa here?

[0:05:46] Voice 7: I can certainly work with Sarah on that

[0:05:48] Voice 7: to make sure it's consistent.

[0:05:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so then is our trustees happy

[0:05:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): that staff are committed to ensure

[0:05:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): that the minutes are consistent

[0:06:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the reporting that we were provided?

[0:06:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Then I will then take it that the minutes

[0:06:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): of January the 22nd be adopted as amended.

[0:06:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): and thank everybody for that.

[0:06:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Planner Garbo.

[0:06:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just gonna move through the agenda here.

[0:06:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Meeting without resolution,

[0:06:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): draft minutes, advisory planning committees,

[0:06:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): local trust committee, public hearing records.

[0:06:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): We don't have anything in front of us today.

[0:06:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that brings us to 4.1 water sustainability,

[0:06:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance

[0:06:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): special tax requisition.

[0:06:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we have a staff report in front of us

[0:06:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): and who is going to take the lead on that one for us?

[0:06:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Jason?

[0:06:46] Voice 24: Yeah, I will do that, Chair Luckham.

[0:06:49] Voice 24: Thank you.

[0:06:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Planner Yeoman.

[0:06:54] Voice 24: So included in your agenda package

[0:06:57] Voice 24: is a request for a decision

[0:06:59] Voice 24: related to a special property tax requisition

[0:07:01] Voice 24: to continue funding the coordination of water policy

[0:07:06] Voice 24: here on Salt Spring Island

[0:07:07] Voice 24: through the Salt Spring Island Water Protection Alliance.

[0:07:11] Voice 24: This is the final step,

[0:07:12] Voice 24: at least as far as the LTC is concerned

[0:07:15] Voice 24: in the special property tax requisition process

[0:07:17] Voice 24: and looking for a resolution to forward on

[0:07:20] Voice 24: this request for decision to trust council.

[0:07:25] Voice 24: Happy to answer any questions you have

[0:07:27] Voice 24: about the staff report that's been provided.

[0:07:29] Voice 24: I do need to provide you with, I guess,

[0:07:34] Voice 24: something of a concerning update based on information

[0:07:37] Voice 24: that staff received only this morning

[0:07:39] Voice 24: and that you as members of the Financial Planning Committee

[0:07:41] Voice 24: may have received in your agenda package for tomorrow,

[0:07:44] Voice 24: which is that Senior Islands Trust staff

[0:07:47] Voice 24: seem to be of the opinion now

[0:07:50] Voice 24: that spending the unspent special property tax requisition funds

[0:07:53] Voice 24: on anything except the purpose

[0:07:56] Voice 24: for which those funds were requisitioned

[0:07:58] Voice 24: may be inconsistent with the community charter

[0:08:01] Voice 24: and the language in there around spending of reserved funds.

[0:08:05] Voice 24: All of which to say, a number of very interesting water sustainability related projects are in the offing for the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee, that being supporting a Weston Lake watershed study, that being perhaps undertaking a watershed strategic plan for Salt Spring Island.

[0:08:27] Voice 24: and based on the information that we have received this morning I would say that the ability

[0:08:32] Voice 24: to fund those initiatives with the unspent special property tax requisition funds is being called

[0:08:37] Voice 24: into question despite the fact that you will recall that the LTC went to Trust Council in

[0:08:43] Voice 24: June of this year looking for policy interpretation from Trust Council about how those funds could be

[0:08:49] Voice 24: spent and received what appeared to be an affirmative, that as long as Trust Council

[0:08:56] Voice 24: was in agreement that the policy could be interpreted as such, that those funds could

[0:09:01] Voice 24: be used on these water-related projects that were not directly related to the coordination

[0:09:05] Voice 24: of the salt spring.

[0:09:07] Voice 24: Island Watershed Protection Alliance, so staff are left a bit perplexed by this.

[0:09:14] Voice 24: my recommendation to you is to proceed with the recommendation that's included in your staff

[0:09:21] Voice 24: report today. I believe all three of you are on financial planning committee and we'll have the

[0:09:27] Voice 24: opportunity to discuss this at financial planning committee tomorrow and then onward at trust

[0:09:32] Voice 24: council.

[0:09:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay thank you Stefan. I didn't see an email this morning regarding this topic but

[0:09:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): but certainly in the FPC package.

[0:09:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so as you've indicated,

[0:09:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): the recommendation in the report

[0:09:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): is no reason for us not to consider advancing that.

[0:09:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if there's further discussions

[0:09:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to the other elements,

[0:09:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's a different topic, it would strike me.

[0:09:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that true, Mr. Yeoman?

[0:10:03] Voice 24: That is true, Chair Locke.

[0:10:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[0:10:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): So trustees, do you have any questions

[0:10:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to this?

[0:10:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura Patrick.

[0:10:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Patrick.

[0:10:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm a little confused. The strategic plan initiative we had discussed, I mean,

[0:10:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): with staff that we felt that that always met the coordination requirements. So I'm a little

[0:10:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): confused as to how that one would be called out to the watershed one. Yes, I understand that.

[0:10:27] Voice 24: Yeah, perhaps I should have differentiated between the two. I think I'm still reeling from

[0:10:31] Voice 24: the ramifications of this email. I think it is likely reasonable to say that bringing agencies

[0:10:38] Voice 24: together to develop a strategic plan related to the management of fresh water

[0:10:44] Voice 24: on the island would meet the coordination definition yeah

[0:10:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): if I may

[0:10:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust trustee chair look I'm sorry forget what title I just wanted to point

[0:10:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): out that the North Salt Spring water district did pass a resolution that to

[0:11:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): participate in this strategic plan so just I think from a coordination

[0:11:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): standpoint that's a critical piece of information okay

[0:11:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i think there'll be further discussion

[0:11:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): on that at fpc um stefan i see your video came on did you want to provide any advice

[0:11:27] Voice 16: no it's just a word of caution that staff were only told this this morning uh so you know half

[0:11:33] Voice 16: an hour ago so we haven't had time to really digest all the implications and what this all

[0:11:37] Voice 16: means um so and of course the resolution i just want to give you that caution if if you need staff

[0:11:43] Voice 16: to report back um you should probably pass a resolution or not um what of course is at risk

[0:11:49] Voice 16: is you're you're going to adopt in march a trust council budget and it's going to put a line item

[0:11:57] Voice 16: in there about um SWPA special tax requisition and or surplus so um staff are ill advised to

[0:12:05] Voice 16: give you any further advice. So I think you're going to have to really talk it out at FPC

[0:12:08] Voice 16: tomorrow. So there you go. That's my advice. You can have some talking to do.

[0:12:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Yeah. I don't honestly think it changes the endorsement by the LTC of the request for

[0:12:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): the decision to go to council. So Peter Grove, do you have anything to add?

[0:12:27] Voice 10: No, at this point, we're just looking at the $75,500 in the budget. So I don't think we need

[0:12:34] Voice 10: to worry i i do want to just um maybe we're talking about this again on page 122 and i'm

[0:12:41] Voice 10: not quite sure where which is the salt spring swiffer coordinator's report um i do want to

[0:12:49] Voice 10: raise my concerns which i've done for the last two years um about uh where we're going with this

[0:12:56] Voice 10: don hodgen wrote us an extremely thoughtful and helpful memo i felt um expressing his concerns

[0:13:03] Voice 10: about the amount of money that SWPA has raised

[0:13:06] Voice 10: and what it has or has not achieved.

[0:13:09] Voice 10: I think we need to take his comments very seriously.

[0:13:12] Voice 10: And I would hope by this time next year,

[0:13:16] Voice 10: we will be, well, I will be more comfortable

[0:13:20] Voice 10: in whatever it is that we're doing.

[0:13:22] Voice 10: And I see Laura's got her hands up.

[0:13:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Patrick.

[0:13:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): I did have, at length, a long conversation with Don.

[0:13:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): He was extremely supportive of the strategic plan approach

[0:13:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we were taking and thought

[0:13:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): that that was a terrific next step.

[0:13:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think that is critical and without that strategic plan

[0:13:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): then yeah, the whole thing would be questionable.

[0:13:46] Voice 10: Yeah, so I'm happy to proceed.

[0:13:53] Voice 10: I'm losing something here.

[0:13:59] Voice 10: Where are we approving the monies requested

[0:14:04] Voice 10: requested by CRD for Western Lake, our contribution to that, and I can't find it.

[0:14:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): We did that in the last meeting, if I recall.

[0:14:17] Voice 10: Okay, thank you. And my concern was at the last meeting, you were talking about

[0:14:21] Voice 10: $15,000 or something, whereas the amount requested is closer to $30,000. I just want to make sure

[0:14:27] Voice 10: we've captured that.

[0:14:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): It was in the minutes. The motion was amended.

[0:14:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[0:14:36] Voice 10: Okay, good. Okay, thank you. That's all I have.

[0:14:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, great. And so then, indeed, I just want to recognize that the budget survey information is included here. And indeed, the two questions specific to this request, there's mixed support, I'll put it. But nonetheless, there's a motion there to endorse this, and I'd be pleased to hear that.

[0:15:02] Voice 10: So I will move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee endorse the attached request for decision and authorize staff to forward it for consideration to Islands Trust Council.

[0:15:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll second.

[0:15:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Seconded by Laura Patrick. Thank you. Any discussion on this? Then I will call for the vote. All those in favor? Any opposed? None opposed? That carries. Thank you very much.

[0:15:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Now we're going to move on to a business arising from the minutes, and I don't know how the

[0:15:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): follow-up action list got to be so long for the Salt Spring LCC, but there it is.

[0:15:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): It goes back almost a year, or quite some time anyway, not really a year.

[0:15:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): But anyway, let's ask Stefan, Regional Planning Manager, if he has any updates to that follow-up

[0:15:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): action list not included in the package otherwise we'll go to trustees for questions thank you mr

[0:15:58] Voice 16: chair i don't have anything to add to that list thanks thank

[0:16:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much um uh trustees do you

[0:16:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): have any questions on the items on the follow-up action list no

[0:16:08] Voice 11: thank you no

[0:16:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay very good well

[0:16:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's excellent um obviously the work is underway and to everyone's satisfaction so we received that

[0:16:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): for information going to move ahead now uh through a number of items that are here for information

[0:16:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): which includes well the policy uh standing resolutions list and that does bring us to

[0:16:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): the work program top priorities report of uh february 2021 um and i'll just ask trustees

[0:16:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): if they have any questions or comments with regards to the top priorities list um of february

[0:16:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): 2021 otherwise we'll receive that for information and continue on anything uh stefan has something

[0:16:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): to chime in on this one so let's turn it over to regional planning manager thank you

[0:16:55] Voice 16: mr chair um

[0:16:56] Voice 16: so this morning kind of threw a big wrench in what i was going to say today um i just really

[0:17:02] Voice 16: wanted a bit of a bit of caution you'll see it in the in all the staff reports for the last three

[0:17:06] Voice 16: four months um cautioning the ltc about the impacts of the lps renewal losing planner yeomans to the

[0:17:13] Voice 16: LPS renewal team and of course we don't have guaranteed funding for a number of the projects

[0:17:18] Voice 16: so I just thought I'd do a quick recap for your for you and I'm sorry I didn't put this into a

[0:17:23] Voice 16: report but just you should know all this is a reminder that Planner Yeomans is going to continue

[0:17:29] Voice 16: with the Coastal Douglas fir project the protection project there's no long-term budget established

[0:17:36] Voice 16: with that so while you'll have staffing resources you won't necessarily have a lot of financial

[0:17:41] Voice 16: resources which is typical. Next we have the water sustainability project. There

[0:17:47] Voice 16: are numerous projects within that. We currently have a proof of water bylaw

[0:17:51] Voice 16: being discussed, a Western Lake Watersheds study which you've

[0:17:55] Voice 16: approved funding for which is may have to be altered to some degree. The

[0:18:00] Voice 16: watershed sustainability proposal which is sort of alternately called watershed

[0:18:05] Voice 16: sustainability project or the strategic plan for SWPA.

[0:18:11] Voice 16: I've heard another project being proposed

[0:18:14] Voice 16: about watershed resiliency.

[0:18:15] Voice 16: And of course there's the ongoing SWPA contract management

[0:18:18] Voice 16: and liaison.

[0:18:18] Voice 16: That's all under the umbrella of water sustainability.

[0:18:21] Voice 16: And that's where we're going to lose

[0:18:22] Voice 16: some planning resource time.

[0:18:24] Voice 16: So that's going to go into the question about resources

[0:18:27] Voice 16: and how things are going to happen

[0:18:28] Voice 16: are still not fully settled.

[0:18:31] Voice 16: Getting into Ganges Village project,

[0:18:33] Voice 16: that's subject to trust council budget approval

[0:18:35] Voice 16: and I know you know that and same thing with the the housing action program it's also subject to

[0:18:41] Voice 16: trust council budget approval so just a cautionary tale we've got some great big projects going some

[0:18:47] Voice 16: you know some good momentum but I just want to be aware that we're waiting for the March trust

[0:18:53] Voice 16: council to really confirm what what it means to resources and now with this latest information

[0:18:58] Voice 16: about about the surplus funding that that there's a lot of uncertainty going forward just

[0:19:04] Voice 16: So just hang tight.

[0:19:06] Voice 16: Just thought I'd give you the verbal reminder of that.

[0:19:08] Voice 16: And, of course, we'll report fully back when we know more.

[0:19:11] Voice 16: Just really want you to be aware of that.

[0:19:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[0:19:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[0:19:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anything from trustees with regards to the top priorities report?

[0:19:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): No.

[0:19:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): And obviously the trustees will be supporting the budget request at council.

[0:19:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): So don't be too concerned.

[0:19:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh so this brings us to our projects uh report which includes a number of items uh for future

[0:19:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): are there any considerations with the top priorities report at this time

[0:19:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): nope so we'll receive that information then and this now brings us to applications

[0:19:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): um report um on february the 4th and um i'm presuming there are no updates from the regional

[0:20:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): planning manager so i'll just go to trustees if you have any questions on any of the applications

[0:20:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): that are contained within this report we have a number of them before us today for decisions

[0:20:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): peter grove um

[0:20:14] Voice 10: yes if i might turn to page 101 the el loco taco application i'm a little bit

[0:20:23] Voice 10: confused about sorry what was that there was a go ahead sorry oh thank you okay that's i thought it

[0:20:32] Voice 10: was a sea lion got angry. Anyhow, I'm a bit confused about El Loco Taco application and

[0:20:42] Voice 10: what's going on there. And in particular, I'm concerned about what's happened to the

[0:20:49] Voice 10: parking situation. So when are we going to hear about El Loco Taco?

[0:20:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is Planner Gordon still here or Regional Planner Germano Cermak?

[0:21:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): address that?

[0:21:05] Voice 16: Sure I'd be happy to address it. Planner Gordon may be able to give you more

[0:21:09] Voice 16: detail than I am. I think I can summarize it that the applicant has applied to get a new

[0:21:17] Voice 16: development variance permit but they're in an interesting position whereby they built

[0:21:21] Voice 16: what could be considered a temporary structure under shelter to expand the restaurant and that

[0:21:29] Voice 16: That is okay, according to LTC standing resolution during COVID.

[0:21:35] Voice 16: So there's a bit of a sort of a standoff between the need to update and get proper permitting versus the LTC resolution.

[0:21:42] Voice 16: So I think Planner Gordon can update you by where that discussion is, how far that discussion has gone with the applicant.

[0:21:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, Planner Gordon, can you just give us a quick briefing?

[0:21:54] Voice 1: Yeah, I think Stefan sort of covered the basis.

[0:21:58] Voice 1: Essentially, the applicant applied for this development permit amendment

[0:22:01] Voice 1: to a development permit that had previously been issued

[0:22:06] Voice 1: at the time of a previous development variance permit

[0:22:10] Voice 1: for parking primarily on the property.

[0:22:15] Voice 1: I guess the issue right now is really the development permit

[0:22:19] Voice 1: is not consistent with the variance permit.

[0:22:25] Voice 1: That was issued because it eliminates further parking.

[0:22:29] Voice 1: So having discussions with the applicant about the need to apply for a new

[0:22:34] Voice 1: variance permit in order to sort of bring it all together in,

[0:22:40] Voice 1: in one package, it sort of speaks to one another. But,

[0:22:43] Voice 1: but Stefan's raised the point that the LTC has also adopted this standing

[0:22:49] Voice 1: resolution for businesses to expand outdoors during COVID.

[0:22:54] Voice 1: and so potentially the expansion that's been done is consistent with that resolution and

[0:23:03] Voice 1: could be permitted to remain until the standing resolution is rescinded or altered.

[0:23:10] Voice 1: Okay,

[0:23:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you. Trustee Grove.

[0:23:17] Voice 10: I guess my point is a heads up to the applicant, so maybe

[0:23:21] Voice 10: Maybe, Jordi, you can pass it on if it's appropriate.

[0:23:26] Voice 10: But I've had a number of complaints from local businesses about what's happened to the parking.

[0:23:33] Voice 10: When we approved the local tackle with enthusiasm, in my case, the parking was a big issue.

[0:23:41] Voice 10: I went down and we counted the number of parking spots and we seemed to manage to squeeze it in in terms of those parking spots.

[0:23:50] Voice 10: spots. But I'm concerned that some of them are being removed. Anyway, it is an issue which

[0:23:58] Voice 10: the applicant will have to deal with. Thanks.

[0:24:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'll just note that by the looks of it,

[0:24:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): on February 2021, an email was sent to the applicant to remind them of the EVP requirement.

[0:24:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I think that they will be aware of our interest in their work there. And indeed,

[0:24:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the existing any resolution I expect that we will need to be somewhat flexible in the short

[0:24:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): term but certainly as we get into the fall and everybody gets vaccinated hopefully things will

[0:24:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): change so unless there's any further advice from staff is there I'll just ask if there's anything

[0:24:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): else on that list that we have I

[0:24:45] Voice 10: have I have two or three things chair if you don't mind

[0:24:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm just, that's fine. I'm just noticing that Laura Patrick has disappeared.

[0:24:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, no.

[0:24:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hopefully she'll return shortly, if not by electronic means, by phone means.

[0:25:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so, Peter, go ahead.

[0:25:08] Voice 10: Well, will somebody please, or I can do it, just give her a quick, there she is.

[0:25:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): She's back.

[0:25:15] Voice 10: She's back.

[0:25:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sorry, I just cut out.

[0:25:19] Voice 10: that's okay i think can we have a sort of an agreement that when somebody cuts out um we don't

[0:25:27] Voice 10: just um ignore it we try to contact one another by um and i'm not this isn't a criticizing you

[0:25:33] Voice 10: laura but i think i was about to phone you on my little cell here just because sometimes you don't

[0:25:38] Voice 10: know that you've cut out so um i just think it's we should follow up um just as you were doing show

[0:25:43] Voice 10: thank you um sorry so so so so page um uh 102 i think the um julia and mark lucich um jennifer

[0:25:58] Voice 10: way um jordy you're on that one too uh which one are we talking about

[0:26:05] Voice 10: page 102 the top it's

[0:26:08] Voice 10: It's DP 2020.6, the usage file.

[0:26:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[0:26:16] Voice 10: So it looks to me as if we approved

[0:26:19] Voice 10: the development permit,

[0:26:20] Voice 10: so I'm not quite sure why it's still there.

[0:26:24] Voice 1: Yeah, so that one, if memory serves,

[0:26:28] Voice 1: that resolution was adopted and the applicants

[0:26:33] Voice 1: were required to register the covenant

[0:26:34] Voice 1: before the permits were issued.

[0:26:36] Voice 1: There's a few covenants related to that subdivision.

[0:26:38] Voice 1: and I believe the covenants are with the lawyer,

[0:26:40] Voice 1: so really just waiting on the applicant to complete that.

[0:26:44] Voice 1: I mean, typically a letter of undertaking

[0:26:46] Voice 1: is provided by the lawyer and the permits can be issued

[0:26:48] Voice 1: before the covenants are, but in this case,

[0:26:50] Voice 1: they agreed to register them first.

[0:26:54] Voice 10: Thank you, page one, sorry,

[0:26:57] Voice 10: do you mind my just trundling on there, Chair?

[0:27:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): You go ahead and we'll catch up

[0:27:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): to Trustee Patrick in a minute.

[0:27:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Page

[0:27:05] Voice 10: 109, the Fernando and Tammy Dos Santos file, right at the top there, it says the applicant is waiting on outcome of CL application.

[0:27:20] Voice 10: I wonder what that means.

[0:27:24] Voice 1: Yeah, that's a crown lease referral for a water license.

[0:27:28] Voice 1: So they're trying to get their water rights approved.

[0:27:33] Voice 1: and that's the referrals with Islands Trust.

[0:27:39] Voice 1: I think it's been in with the province for a while

[0:27:43] Voice 1: and they're just waiting to see the outcome of that

[0:27:46] Voice 1: before they can proceed with their reserving.

[0:27:49] Voice 10: And have we any feeling at all as to when that might happen?

[0:27:56] Voice 1: In terms of when it might come back from the province,

[0:27:58] Voice 1: I couldn't say.

[0:28:00] Voice 1: I think the applicant had said that their application

[0:28:03] Voice 1: had it been in for the better part of a year.

[0:28:05] Voice 1: So in terms of timeline, I'm not certain.

[0:28:12] Voice 10: Okay, I mean, if there's anything we can do to help,

[0:28:14] Voice 10: I would be thrilled to do so.

[0:28:18] Voice 1: Yeah, staff will be providing comment

[0:28:20] Voice 1: on the Crown lease referral shortly, so.

[0:28:24] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:28:25] Voice 10: And lastly, Chair, if I may page-

[0:28:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Before you move on,

[0:28:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): before you move on there, Planner Gordon,

[0:28:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): perhaps that could actually be spelled out,

[0:28:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Crown lease for the public's benefit.

[0:28:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): If it doesn't know

[0:28:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): what that means, it would be helpful to others.

[0:28:39] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:28:40] Voice 10: Yeah, I think generally speaking, that's very good policy.

[0:28:44] Voice 10: So page 110, the David Brown file, and I'm a bit confused as to what's going on there.

[0:28:56] Voice 10: The last I heard from him is that I think he was withdrawing.

[0:29:02] Voice 10: I don't know.

[0:29:02] Voice 10: Do we know what's going on?

[0:29:10] Voice 24: and there's jason trying to

[0:29:12] Voice 5: get them i'm sorry no

[0:29:13] Voice 24: problem thanks chair luckham uh yes trustee grove

[0:29:16] Voice 24: the applicant has requested uh that the file be closed and we are in the process of closing the

[0:29:21] Voice 24: file my apologies if uh we haven't updated in in tapas yet we'll do so

[0:29:25] Voice 10: okay that's um

[0:29:27] Voice 10: unfortunate and i'm sorry to hear that i think it's fair to say that um um islands trust

[0:29:34] Voice 10: trust did not play a role in his decision to close the file, but I hope that's the case,

[0:29:42] Voice 10: because I thought we were being extremely cooperative with him. Anyway, that's just my

[0:29:49] Voice 10: concern. Thank you. That's all I have, Chair.

[0:29:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Thank you, Peter. Laura Patrick,

[0:29:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you have any questions on the applications list?

[0:29:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): Not at this time. Thanks. Okay.

[0:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): very much then um where am i now application so expense report december 2020 that's there

[0:30:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): for information is there any questions or concerns um that's taken to the finance department but

[0:30:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): perhaps if you have anything are there any concerns nope then i'm going to continue on then

[0:30:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): and to correspondence.

[0:30:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): We have quite a bit here today.

[0:30:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's also been some received

[0:30:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to other applications

[0:30:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): and they'd be received in those files.

[0:30:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes?

[0:30:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, I'm sorry.

[0:30:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): You jumped over

[0:30:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): 8.7.

[0:30:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah,

[0:30:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're absolutely right about that.

[0:30:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): So 8.7, thank you, Trustee Patrick,

[0:30:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): for getting me back on track.

[0:30:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): The Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance

[0:30:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): coordinator's report,

[0:30:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I will offer you congratulations for having me reelected as the chair of that committee and

[0:30:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for your work. And so I'll turn it over to you to summarize the report of January 2021.

[0:31:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, hopefully I just answered questions if anyone has questions. And again, just to repeat

[0:31:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): that since that meeting that the North Salt Spring Water Works did pass that resolution to support the

[0:31:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): strategic planning activity and participate, not just support, but to participate.

[0:31:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well,

[0:31:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's very good news. That's terrific. Thank you for your work. Peter, do you have any

[0:31:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions?

[0:31:30] Voice 10: Just again, to confirm on page 125, I guess, the SWPA coordination budget is showing

[0:31:39] Voice 10: draw from SWPA surplus of 14,097, and I believe the number should be 30,000.

[0:31:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you have a remark

[0:31:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mark there?

[0:31:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): This

[0:31:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): report, I mean, I think, oh, I don't know.

[0:31:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't think they changed.

[0:31:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): This was, I don't know how.

[0:31:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): I looked at Jason, if he

[0:31:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): can explain how the budget is done.

[0:32:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, that's December the 17th.

[0:32:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right.

[0:32:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that decision was made after this report.

[0:32:06] Voice 10: That's true.

[0:32:07] Voice 10: I just think I want to bring that to everyone's attention,

[0:32:10] Voice 10: that that's not a criticism once again.

[0:32:15] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:32:15] Voice 10: So

[0:32:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): maybe an amended report will be brought back to us

[0:32:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): at the next meeting, perhaps. Trustee Patrick, do you have a comment there?

[0:32:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, it sounds like everything is in flux until Trust Council makes some decisions.

[0:32:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Right.

[0:32:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right. Okay. Any other questions for the, about SWPA, Peter Grove? No?

[0:32:37] Voice 10: No, thank you.

[0:32:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Again, thank you. Again, thank you, Trustee Patrick, for your work on that.

[0:32:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): So now I'm going to go to correspondence, number of pieces for consideration, and perhaps I'll

[0:32:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): just go through these sequentially. We have concerns about float size from McCarroll

[0:33:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): at Island Marine Construction. Certainly interesting comments and thoughts.

[0:33:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any direction from anybody today? Peter Grove and then Laura Patrick.

[0:33:11] Voice 10: So I'm happy to have Laura speak first. I keep butting in. Laura, go ahead.

[0:33:18] Voice 10: Okay,

[0:33:18] Voice 11: well, in

[0:33:19] Voice 10: that case, then, I mean, all I've, my note is, you know, this makes sense.

[0:33:23] Voice 10: It seems extremely sensible. So now what? Laura Patrick.

[0:33:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): I was going to suggest that we

[0:33:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): refer this to the Regional Planning Committee, who is undertaking a development of a model bylaw for

[0:33:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): shoreline. I would hope that there, that includes docks and those things, because this would be

[0:33:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): applicable to any dock being built anywhere in the trust area um

[0:33:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah in fact i do recall that

[0:33:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): some amendments were made in other locales i can't remember the exact locations at the moment

[0:33:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to exactly that issue that it would be better if docks were sized according to

[0:34:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): available building materials i think it was the graded um walkways was the topic at the time but

[0:34:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is there any advice from staff otherwise happy to have a motion to forward this to the regional planning committee?

[0:34:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Grove?

[0:34:21] Voice 10: Sorry, if you were up, we're going to get a comment from staff.

[0:34:24] Voice 10: But since I've buddied in already, I would rather not pass it on to the other committee because that's just going to drag things out.

[0:34:32] Voice 10: I mean,

[0:34:32] Voice 10: we've been asked by a member of our community to deal with our community.

[0:34:36] Voice 10: And I mean, it just makes so much sense.

[0:34:39] Voice 10: I mean, I can't see a reason for not doing it, and I hate to delay the whole thing, but

[0:34:44] Voice 10: I'd love to hear what Stefan has to say.

[0:34:46] Voice 10: He was about to say something.

[0:34:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sure.

[0:34:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm sure it's got to do with top priorities.

[0:34:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Go ahead, Regional Planning Manager Cermak.

[0:34:55] Voice 16: It does not, Mr. Chair.

[0:34:57] Voice 16: I'd like to remind the chair that you, or the chair of the LTC, that on your land use

[0:35:01] Voice 16: bylaw amendments, you should have this issue already there.

[0:35:03] Voice 16: I'm just looking back into your package here.

[0:35:09] Voice 16: I don't see it there.

[0:35:10] Voice 16: Air, housing, land use by-law, forgive me.

[0:35:14] Voice 16: There it is.

[0:35:15] Voice 16: Yeah, so in your projects list

[0:35:17] Voice 16: for land use by-law amendments,

[0:35:20] Voice 16: it already says technical and minor amendments

[0:35:23] Voice 16: from March, 2017, limit the fence heights

[0:35:26] Voice 16: and increase dock width from 1.2 to 1.5 meters.

[0:35:31] Voice 16: So it's captured in your projects list already

[0:35:33] Voice 16: for potential future amendments to the LTC

[0:35:36] Voice 16: when you get there.

[0:35:38] Voice 16: and staff support the idea of this being part of a model bylaw

[0:35:41] Voice 16: going to the regional planning team.

[0:35:43] Voice 16: I think it makes imminent sense

[0:35:45] Voice 16: and it's wasting material is never good.

[0:35:50] Voice 10: I'm sorry, Stefan.

[0:35:51] Voice 10: So you're supporting sending it to RPC?

[0:35:55] Voice 16: I'm supporting that the LTC already has it noted

[0:35:57] Voice 16: on your projects list and furthering it to be

[0:35:59] Voice 16: so it becomes part of a model bylaw

[0:36:02] Voice 16: or whatever the new term for that is

[0:36:04] Voice 16: makes a lot of sense to staff.

[0:36:06] Voice 10: okay well if it makes sense to staff it makes sense to speak to me so let's uh let's go with

[0:36:10] Voice 10: that so

[0:36:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): can i get a motion to that effect laura patrick sure

[0:36:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'll try one on the fly i i move

[0:36:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the salt spring island local trust committee uh refer um correspondence 9.1 d mccarroll

[0:36:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): dated january 8 2021 to the regional planning committee thank

[0:36:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): you moved and seconded any

[0:36:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): further discussion peter

[0:36:41] Voice 10: could could we make some comment in there that um it has um ltc's support

[0:36:46] Voice 10: as rather than just furthering forwarding it without comment sure

[0:36:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): that could just be contained

[0:36:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): within the email or something that forward site is that correct steve step on sorry i'm having

[0:37:06] Voice 16: technical computer issues i i would not assume as such no i would forwarding it is just forwarding

[0:37:11] Voice 16: it for their consideration it does not indicate support or not

[0:37:14] Voice 10: so what is the language um we needed

[0:37:17] Voice 10: there just with support is that enough yeah

[0:37:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): friendly amendment to that motion with support

[0:37:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be suitable with

[0:37:25] Voice 10: support certainly thumbs

[0:37:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): up from the mover so um and you've got that sarah

[0:37:36] Voice 17: hi chair yes i've got that thank you i can share it if that's helpful that's that's

[0:37:42] Voice 10: right i think

[0:37:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're fine

[0:37:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay yeah so i'll call for the vote then is that if you like all those in favor

[0:37:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): and any opposed none opposed that carries and um that's good and uh thank you to mr mccarroll for

[0:37:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): his uh uh thinking um there appreciate that so the next item is uh from uh uh fisher jean uh harbor

[0:38:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): house hotel regarding short-term vacation rails what's the pleasure of the ltc with that item

[0:38:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly we were active on that file trustee Patrick yeah

[0:38:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm I I want I really appreciate

[0:38:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): them taking the time to to do the letter a little little concerning that they think they're in a

[0:38:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): municipality and not so I think a meeting with this manager would be a good idea to help him

[0:38:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I it did prompt me to do considerable research into many of the suggestions that he has made and

[0:38:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): knife um and we did receive another piece of correspondence that was shared this morning from

[0:38:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): daniel murphy um from another person making very similar recommendations as well as you know we

[0:38:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): have i have asked and we're slowly getting appointments from the from all of the local

[0:39:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust committees uh to send have a conversation of what we could do regionally um to uh to deal

[0:39:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): deal with this. It's very frustrating. Every community uses business licenses to control

[0:39:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): the number of short-term vacation rentals. Where the land use, we just say where it can occur

[0:39:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): using the TUPs across the various groups are challenging. Short-term vacation rental

[0:39:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): is using considerable enforcement time. I mean, I'm noticing, I don't know how many a day files

[0:39:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): are getting opened and it seems like a game of whack-a-mole with no progress. The housing market

[0:39:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): is overheated. I believe people are counting on short-term vacation rental income to buy these

[0:39:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): properties. So I was saddened to see Director Holman's response in his email saying that

[0:39:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): he has zero interest in pursuing the business licenses. I'm hoping that the other regional

[0:40:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Director in the Southern Gulf Islands will have more interest. So I'm looking forward to the meeting and I think it's important that we continue to pursue working, cooperating with the other agencies to manage the short-term vacation rentals.

[0:40:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you. Peter Gross.

[0:40:30] Voice 10: So, I mean, I think we need to respond to this letter. It's a thoughtful letter with many ideas. I mean, they need to understand what's going on.

[0:40:40] Voice 10: Any

[0:40:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): specific suggestion, Peter?

[0:40:48] Voice 10: No, I was hoping that staff might suggest what we might do.

[0:40:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Patrick?

[0:40:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I would hope Harbor House, through its affiliates of other commercial operators across the Southern Gulf Islands, will provide support to this regional approach as well.

[0:41:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, that's good.

[0:41:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): What do you want to do with this?

[0:41:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Should we just receive this information or do you want a response?

[0:41:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Or is one of you going to reach out to them?

[0:41:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm happy to offer to reach out.

[0:41:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): And as a prominent business in our island, a new manager on the island, we should have a relationship.

[0:41:42] Voice 10: I think that would be great, Laura, and especially since you're involved with the rest of the Southern Gulf Islands on this subject.

[0:41:48] Voice 10: So that would be wonderful.

[0:41:50] Voice 10: That

[0:41:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be terrific.

[0:41:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, then.

[0:41:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then let the minutes record then.

[0:41:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): that Trustee Patrick was going to communicate with the Harbour House Hotel Management.

[0:42:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so we'll receive that for information.

[0:42:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the next item here is a response to a letter to Minister Colon from MLA Adam Olson.

[0:42:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know that there's any action required here.

[0:42:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Ask the LTC what they'd like to do with that or just receive it for information at this time.

[0:42:29] Voice 10: Yeah, I can't see any need unless somebody's got a better idea.

[0:42:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): No.

[0:42:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Patrick?

[0:42:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, there's nothing I can add at this moment.

[0:42:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, it's an evolving situation.

[0:42:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll see what happens next.

[0:42:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll just receive 9.3 for information.

[0:42:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): 9.4, Wellman, concerning Allianz Trust communications and public engagement.

[0:42:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and want to thank the writer for reaching out and offering some help and assistance there.

[0:43:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees, do you have any immediate action associated with that or just receive that

[0:43:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): for information? Staff will have seen it. I'll just receive that for information at this time.

[0:43:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to go then to 9.5, the letter from Eric Booth concerning proposed covenant amendment.

[0:43:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mr.

[0:43:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Chair sorry I was trying to read my chicken scratch on my notes for 9.5 or not my 9.4 I did

[0:43:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): appreciate speaking with this Mari Wellman that reached out to us and I think she's

[0:43:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): It was very nice to see a professional communication person from from a retired from a local government pointing out the need to do better strategic communications.

[0:44:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): And after last week's driftwood barrage, I can see very much that we are in dire need of more strategic communications.

[0:44:15] Voice 11: Good.

[0:44:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you're not. Yeah.

[0:44:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we just received that information at this time and we certainly concur with the

[0:44:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): suggestions and we'll take that into consideration as we move forward. So the next item then is from

[0:44:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Booth January 25th concerning proposed covenant amendments. This is a piece of work that has

[0:44:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): already been completed if I'm not mistaken and the suggestion is there should be some changes

[0:44:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I'm wondering if staff have any suggestions with respect to that or trustees want to take any particular action.

[0:45:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Regional Planning Manager, I see your videos come on.

[0:45:07] Voice 16: Sure. I'm not sure if you have a question for me or what have you.

[0:45:11] Voice 16: This is an LTC decision.

[0:45:14] Voice 16: We have, staff have spoken to the author of the report of this request, gave some advice.

[0:45:21] Voice 16: advice one is if there's to be any proposed amendments is that the owner of the property

[0:45:27] Voice 16: would have to assign somebody as an as an applicant so while we can discuss this information

[0:45:36] Voice 16: as public information we cannot propose to change it with somebody who's not authorized to change it

[0:45:41] Voice 16: so that's one so staff don't propose any action until something like that comes along and then

[0:45:47] Voice 16: And it matters. And so I think staff would like to reserve sort of further discussion on it until the owner is actually interested in addressing it.

[0:45:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Makes sense to me.

[0:45:58] Voice 11: That's

[0:45:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): exactly the answer I was looking for. So we'll just receive that for information and encourage the writer and the property owner to contact staff if they wish to make any amendments to that.

[0:46:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's not something we can just do on the fly.

[0:46:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm going to go to 9.6, if that's all right, a letter from our colleague, Trustee Rogers, on behalf of Main Island, that is expressing an interest in collaborating with us on the short-term vacation rentals, which was a letter that went out to the rest of the Gulf Islands.

[0:46:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'll go to Trustee Patrick, who has contact with the other islands there, and see what we can do.

[0:46:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): appointments

[0:46:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): have been made at all islands the exception of saturn that is only just meeting

[0:46:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): this week so by the end of this week we should have every island has chosen to appoint one

[0:46:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): trustee to attend a meeting great

[0:46:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so then therefore maybe i'll just ask staff so presuming

[0:47:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): those uh responses come in to you in some fashion or to us in some fashion do you need some direction

[0:47:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): for us to call a meeting

[0:47:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): or will you just do that in due course?

[0:47:14] Voice 16: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[0:47:15] Voice 16: I believe the resolution was already to set up a meeting.

[0:47:18] Voice 16: So staff were, once we get confirmation,

[0:47:20] Voice 16: I believe it's from the Saterna LTC,

[0:47:23] Voice 16: then we'll, sorry, I was half paying attention,

[0:47:25] Voice 16: half writing notes.

[0:47:26] Voice 16: And yeah, we'll happily set up a meeting.

[0:47:29] Voice 16: I'm pretty confident it's going to be post-Trust Council,

[0:47:32] Voice 16: if not post-next Salt Spring LTC meeting,

[0:47:35] Voice 16: so late in March, if not early April.

[0:47:37] Voice 16: and uh yeah staff will check your calendars and advise you accordingly and ask your opinions for

[0:47:44] Voice 16: what day works best for you so as you know juggling so many different dates is a is a

[0:47:49] Voice 16: challenge but uh yeah we we'll we don't need any further direction okay

[0:47:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's great thank you very

[0:47:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): much um so then 9.7 uh a letter from uh roy allen uh concerning proposed bylaw amendments from stairs

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's access to the foreshore.

[0:48:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Another offer of assistance and support.

[0:48:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees, I know that Trustee Patrick has been in communication with them.

[0:48:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): So over to you.

[0:48:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, this one as well.

[0:48:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): We should refer to the Regional Planning Committee for the shoreline, model shoreline bylaw.

[0:48:28] Voice 10: I agree.

[0:48:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'm happy to make that motion.

[0:48:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee refer a correspondence item 9.7.

[0:48:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Robin J. Roy Allen, dated January 18, 2021, to the Regional Planning Committee.

[0:48:42] Voice 10: Second that.

[0:48:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): And do you want to add the words with support or not?

[0:48:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm not prepared.

[0:48:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think these are just things that they should be taking into consideration of development.

[0:48:57] Voice 10: And we should be...

[0:49:01] Voice 10: Seconded.

[0:49:01] Voice 10: I just would like to add that we should be copying that to Mr. Roy Allen.

[0:49:06] Voice 10: Mr. Allen, but I don't think that needs to go in the motion.

[0:49:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I guess if we're going to respond to Mr. Allen, that would be appropriate in some

[0:49:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): fashion, and advise the writer, is what I would say there.

[0:49:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's all right.

[0:49:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Friendly amendment.

[0:49:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): So moved and seconded.

[0:49:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any discussion?

[0:49:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[0:49:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): That two carries.

[0:49:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then the last one is McDonald and Trustee Patrick concerning Francis Pickley.

[0:49:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you, Trustee Patrick. That application is obviously on our agenda today.

[0:49:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): That was just information. I mean, that was just a comment from somebody following our last meeting.

[0:49:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think it's just for information.

[0:49:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Perfect.

[0:49:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll just receive that for information and thank all of the writers.

[0:50:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): We appreciate the communication from the community to help inform our decision making.

[0:50:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we're going to go.

[0:50:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Are we content to continue on?

[0:50:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do we need a little break or we'll continue on a bit here because we're going to have

[0:50:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): a break at some point fairly soon.

[0:50:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anyway, we can discuss how we're going to proceed in a minute, but let's go to the new

[0:50:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): business.

[0:50:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): The first one.

[0:50:26] Voice 10: Sorry, Chair, you

[0:50:28] Voice 10: asked a question and didn't wait for an answer.

[0:50:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, and what was that?

[0:50:38] Voice 10: You asked

[0:50:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): as to

[0:50:39] Voice 10: whether we want to have a little break now.

[0:50:42] Voice 10: So when have we scheduled lunch for?

[0:50:47] Voice 10: Well,

[0:50:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's what my immediate concern was when I asked the question,

[0:50:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): was realizing that we're actually virtually upon the noon break.

[0:50:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): which concerns me. And we're going to have a conversation about future meetings here and the

[0:51:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): agenda in general, because we've managed to get ahead of ourselves here this morning and

[0:51:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): running into a break now and recessing would seem like an inconvenience for me, if not anybody else.

[0:51:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So how about, so I asked that question, how about we just continue until we get to the end of this section and then determine what we're going to do.

[0:51:32] Voice 11: Good plan. Yeah.

[0:51:35] Voice 11: So

[0:51:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): then 10.11 is the notice regarding federal cannabis licensing from applicant, from an individual at 533 Skywater Drive.

[0:51:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): thrive. That is just for information for us to receive at this point. Laura Patrick?

[0:51:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[0:51:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): just have a question. It was my understanding that this applicant had legal issues with the

[0:51:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): strata that they were located in. And I don't understand the Cannabis Act. And I understand

[0:52:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have to receive notice. But I'm curious as to the strata that they're in. So I don't know

[0:52:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): who should be receiving this notice

[0:52:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): well there's an obligation for them to send to us but stefan

[0:52:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you want to summarize what the obligations here are that's

[0:52:23] Voice 16: a great question and honestly

[0:52:25] Voice 16: i don't know the full answer i think what i hear trustee patrick saying is that um i think

[0:52:30] Voice 16: everybody here understands that the ltc is the part of the local government must receive the

[0:52:35] Voice 16: notification but that's kind of the limit of my knowledge too i don't know who else should

[0:52:39] Voice 16: And I know the strata there has been very, is very interested and engaged on this particular issue.

[0:52:47] Voice 16: And I am aware that they've gone to court and that there's been settlements and arrangements, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:52:53] Voice 16: So, yeah, that's all I know.

[0:52:55] Voice 16: I don't have any answer other than what the LTC's legal sort of authority is in this manner.

[0:53:02] Voice 10: If I may, I think it would be appropriate to send a copy to the strata.

[0:53:07] Voice 10: I mean, just for their information.

[0:53:09] Voice 10: A

[0:53:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion would be required, if that's what you'd

[0:53:18] Voice 10: like to do.

[0:53:18] Voice 10: I move that the local trust committee forward a copy of the, what are we going to call that?

[0:53:27] Voice 10: Sorry, I can't find it.

[0:53:28] Voice 10: Notice

[0:53:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): regarding federal cannabis licensing at 533 Skywater Drive.

[0:53:33] Voice 10: To the Skywater Strata.

[0:53:37] Voice 10: Strata.

[0:53:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we know how to communicate with them, I'm guessing.

[0:53:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[0:53:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any further discussion?

[0:53:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[0:53:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): none opposed that

[0:53:50] Voice 5: carries all

[0:53:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): right so uh thank you very timely uh trustee patrick to

[0:53:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): brought uh future meeting agendas and indeed even today's agenda to our attention um so why don't i

[0:54:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): let you just uh kick us off and uh noting that we're at 10 24 we are scheduled for a break at

[0:54:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): noon um but it would seem less than convenient not to proceed with business and maybe just ask

[0:54:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): regional planning manager sir mark with respect to the timing that has been publicly announced

[0:54:22] Voice 10: chair if i may that the break is scheduled for 11 o'clock and ends at 12 oh

[0:54:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're right breaking

[0:54:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): until noon um so um yeah i don't it's not on the agenda that it we break at 11 it's uh it's

[0:54:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): the business other business continues until we're done but anyway that's fine um what's the pleasure

[0:54:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the local trust committee i'll turn it back to laura patrick to advise us on um what she's

[0:54:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): thinking about future meeting agendas well

[0:54:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): i i've um i think it would be worthy to consult a few of

[0:55:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): the people that you know are regulars that do attend all of our meetings and some of the

[0:55:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): applicants says to um you know i know it's it's timely on their day did did applicants prefer the

[0:55:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): the morning schedule for um for that activity um i think having you know i think people should be

[0:55:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): having an opportunity to speak in the town hall whether it's for our program work or our application

[0:55:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): work that you know we're we're interested in what people have to say so um i just thought it would

[0:55:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): be somehow having a informal i'm not proposing a written survey go out there but some sort of

[0:55:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): informal inquiry as to which method, because now we've tried two, which works better in these

[0:55:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Zoom environments.

[0:55:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Indeed, we have nine people attending today electronically, as well as those

[0:55:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): that might be viewing by the streaming. So indeed, worthy of consideration. Trustee Grove,

[0:56:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Rob, do you have any remarks?

[0:56:09] Voice 10: No, I have no preferences to be honest.

[0:56:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, and any suggestions

[0:56:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): regional planning manager Cermak?

[0:56:24] Voice 16: Pardon me, thank you, Chair Locke.

[0:56:26] Voice 16: So a few thoughts for consideration is that staff

[0:56:30] Voice 16: have rejigged the agenda according to the LTC's wishes

[0:56:33] Voice 16: to ensure that projects are put back in the morning.

[0:56:37] Voice 16: So that was the emphasis there.

[0:56:41] Voice 16: so trying to ensure that there's enough time for town hall and the delegations and what have you

[0:56:48] Voice 16: in the morning is a bit of a juggling act because I don't think the LTC I mean maybe the LTC does

[0:56:53] Voice 16: want to consider having town hall first thing in the morning no matter what all the time and

[0:56:58] Voice 16: we're certainly will entertain the LTC's desires that way but you know I just remind the LTC too

[0:57:04] Voice 16: that you know it's a public meeting it's it's not a public hearing and applicants get to speak to

[0:57:12] Voice 16: their applications no matter what so the portion of town hall is actually in delegations is

[0:57:17] Voice 16: relatively small and yeah it can kind of be slotted in wherever you want but you know the

[0:57:24] Voice 16: LTC should consider also one other thing I suppose is there's a model the trust council has a policy

[0:57:29] Voice 16: about what the template should be

[0:57:32] Voice 16: that I assume you've all voted on

[0:57:34] Voice 16: that that policy was put into place last year

[0:57:36] Voice 16: or the year before.

[0:57:37] Voice 16: So anyway, lots to think about,

[0:57:39] Voice 16: but staff are happy to sort of implement your wishes

[0:57:42] Voice 16: however you wish them to be.

[0:57:44] Voice 16: What I'm hearing is sounds like town hall

[0:57:46] Voice 16: would be preferred to be kickoff first thing in the morning,

[0:57:49] Voice 16: but I don't think staff are gonna go around

[0:57:52] Voice 16: asking too many people what they think.

[0:57:54] Voice 16: That'd be challenging to do.

[0:57:57] Voice 16: But again, we're willing to listen.

[0:57:58] Voice 16: I know you guys get out in chat, so I'll stop talking.

[0:58:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees, Laura Patrick.

[0:58:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just, I know our project work is going to ebb and flow.

[0:58:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): I understand that because it's how things are going to go back and forth.

[0:58:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think last,

[0:58:16] Voice 12: the

[0:58:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): last meeting we had was,

[0:58:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): it was good to where we call it had a special meeting just to talk about one

[0:58:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): project and allow to get us into the, the, the details of that.

[0:58:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think there has to always be some flexibility and the,

[0:58:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): agendas to fit the the expected or potential conversations that could could could be there

[0:58:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know we certainly think the whole point is we don't want to rush any conversation whether it's

[0:58:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): an applicant through the process or our projects through the process that we want to make sure

[0:58:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're taking ample time and i feel that if our regular meetings are structured around the

[0:58:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): applicants then i think the emphasis is on making the applicants lives you know as easy

[0:59:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): as possible to join us on these Zoom meetings and to be here at a scheduled time that makes sense

[0:59:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that our project work could be rescheduled you know or put in special meetings if we really need

[0:59:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): that detail.

[0:59:17] Voice 10: Thank you if I may.

[0:59:19] Voice 5: Yes please.

[0:59:20] Voice 10: Thanks Laura I think you're quite right by putting the

[0:59:23] Voice 10: applicants needs first so I don't think it's helpful necessarily for the applicants to have

[0:59:30] Voice 10: to sit through a town hall series which could go on for who knows how long so i would have the town

[0:59:37] Voice 10: hall um just before the noon break and then it can uh the town hall can spread into the

[0:59:43] Voice 10: noon break if necessary

[0:59:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee patrick and i'll have a comment um

[0:59:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i i i like the format of

[0:59:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): having the trustee reports and uh delegations and town halls uh you know in a cluster

[1:00:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): of activity because the uh the point is we want to have as many people present as possible when

[1:00:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): we give our reports so that we're speaking to people rather than to an empty screen um so i i

[1:00:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): to me my experience across all the islands is the closer we're trustee reports and town halls are

[1:00:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): together um the the more people they're paying attention so

[1:00:26] Voice 10: sorry so you're suggesting basically

[1:00:27] Voice 10: we leave it as it is well

[1:00:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's either we have you know the format we had before was do the town

[1:00:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): halls trustee reports applications and then projects came after that our concern we ran into

[1:00:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): was meaty projects at three o'clock in the afternoon after meeting all day and i think

[1:00:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's what we want to avoid is is ending up having meaty conversations at three o'clock in

[1:00:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): evening whether it's some applicants we can't handle any of those at that hour of the day

[1:00:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): after meeting all day i

[1:01:02] Voice 10: i echo that if i made sure um and i like the the meaty projects in

[1:01:06] Voice 10: the morning so i direct i suggest we stick with the with the um the layout as we have today before

[1:01:14] Voice 10: us right

[1:01:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): so thank you uh peter thank you laura no i agree with that that having returned now to what

[1:01:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): what was our regular meeting agenda style before COVID

[1:01:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): is preferable, but I wanna remind the trustees that,

[1:01:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we're not gonna do that,

[1:01:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): but just acknowledge that applicants

[1:01:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): do need to actually be cognizant of

[1:01:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and aware of the town hall and even trustee reports

[1:01:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to applications,

[1:01:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): applications because there may be developments that trustees would like to speak to. There may

[1:01:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): be members of the public that want to speak to an application, and sometimes it's surprising that

[1:02:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): people show up, and other times we expect them. But obviously, if we're making decisions about

[1:02:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): applications, not only do we need to hear that, but the applicants in many situations, I think,

[1:02:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): should also hear any public comment that might come forward at the last minute in the town hall.

[1:02:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I realize that's difficult, but it is important if whatever decision we make.

[1:02:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I'm in favor of sticking to the agenda that's before us for future meetings and indeed being

[1:02:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): cognizant of when we want to have some big discussions regarding projects in the mornings

[1:02:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): that we do that to be sure that we have the opportunity to have full discussions.

[1:02:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, that said, at 10.33, I'm inclined to want to recess at this time and reconvene at noon,

[1:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): because that's what we've told the public we're going to do, and then we will proceed

[1:03:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): through the rest of the day.

[1:03:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just have to advise you that I do have a, let me just pull up the exact time here now,

[1:03:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): I do have an immediate follow-up meeting at 3 o'clock today with the Select Committee on Governance and Management Review.

[1:03:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I would absolutely like to end by 3 o'clock, and I apologize for that.

[1:03:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): If it's necessary, I will leave the meeting and appoint one of you as the chair to continue with the remaining items.

[1:03:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): But it's not a big agenda today. So I'm hoping that we can get through it in a timely fashion today

[1:03:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that all right with

[1:03:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): everybody? Yeah, so

[1:03:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's recess until noon and

[1:03:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): we will return then and

[1:03:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sheila I trust that you'll put a suitable notice up on the screen

[1:03:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to thank everybody that has joined us from Salt Spring Island and afar and

[1:04:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Please return for trustee reports and town hall and applications

[1:04:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): In the afternoon starting at noon. Thank you

[2:28:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): so good afternoon everyone hope your lunch was satisfactory um

[2:28:18] Voice 10: chair may i just make a brief

[2:28:20] Voice 10: observation yes

[2:28:22] Voice 5: um

[2:28:23] Voice 10: when we leave for a meeting whether it's lunch or anything else with um the

[2:28:28] Voice 10: note on the on our screens should say what time we are expected back rather than the local trust

[2:28:35] Voice 10: committee is away on a break and we'll be back shortly yes

[2:28:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): i noticed that as well and um i think

[2:28:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): shayla is online and she could certainly take that under advisement it would be better to be specific

[2:28:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): unless it's a short break i'll update that for next time thank you thank

[2:28:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much

[2:28:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we're still a minute away from restarting what

[2:29:41] Voice 10: are you sawing peter just

[2:29:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): scraping something

[2:29:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): i didn't realize you could hear it like that oh yeah

[2:29:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think we're ready to begin.

[2:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): So welcome back, everybody. Thank you for joining us. My name is Peter Luckham. I'm the chair of the Island Trust Local Trust Committee here on Salt Spring Island. I live on the Thetis Island, and that is in the Laiacson and Penelope Territory, and I am grateful to live and work throughout the Coast Salish territories of the many nations that this is their home since the beginning of time.

[2:30:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to acknowledge my co-trustees here, Peter Grove, elected on Salt Spring, and Laura Patrick,

[2:30:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): elected on Salt Spring. We're also joined by a number of our staff today, Planner Garbo,

[2:30:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Regional Planning Manager Cermak, Planner Yeomans, Planner Mays, Planner Gordon,

[2:30:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then our Freshwater Specialist William Schulba, Minute Taker Sarah Sugar,

[2:30:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and Sheila Burnham looking after our technology today and hopefully I think I

[2:31:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): skipped over Stefan Cermak our regional planning manager which of course is the

[2:31:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): most important player in our team thank you for joining us lovely ski hill

[2:31:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): you've got in the background there anyway we are privileged to be able to

[2:31:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): have maintain electronic meetings in order to continue to conduct business

[2:31:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): during this time of pandemic and certainly want to ask everybody to continue to be vigilant

[2:31:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): on your social distancing and your PPE, as we call it in the trade, personal protective equipment

[2:31:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): in order to get us through this next period where hopefully the commitment is to get the majority

[2:31:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): of people vaccinated by the fall, which is horrific news. We can hopefully begin to enjoy

[2:31:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): our families and friends again in ways that I know that I and my family miss

[2:31:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I know that you and your families miss as well. So the electronic medium

[2:32:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): has its challenges. Voice and video communication can come and go as it

[2:32:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): pleases it seems. So please bear with us as we get through that. We're going to

[2:32:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): launch into trustee reports and then into town hall and just ask everybody to

[2:32:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): be respectful, speak to the issues not people. Darren Holman, thank you for joining us. Welcome

[2:32:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): aboard. Nice to see you here today. And just wrapping up introductions. And of course, we've

[2:32:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): conducted some business this morning already. And we've got applications ahead of us for the

[2:32:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): afternoon here. So without further ado, I'm going to turn to trustees for their local reports. And

[2:32:50] Voice 10: Laura's on first. I'm on second. Gary

[2:32:53] Voice 10: Holman's on third.

[2:32:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Keep in track. Perfect.

[2:32:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): That must

[2:32:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): mean I'm the catcher.

[2:33:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Good afternoon. I just wanted to

[2:33:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): express how extremely disappointed I was in the Gulf Island Driftwood's

[2:33:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): portrayal of the Islands Trust last week. The Islands Trust

[2:33:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): mandate was never just limited to preserving and protecting

[2:33:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): the environment uh if anyone has the opportunity to go back and read what's called the hansard

[2:33:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): report from 1973 it's the report that was put together by the select committee that looked

[2:33:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): into the development of the trust and it made it very clear that the trust uh as an entity

[2:33:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): understood that the unique nature uh was not just defined by environment and its ecosystems but by

[2:33:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): the history of the communities and the islands that the trust should be interested in and invested in

[2:33:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): the residents commercial activity in the community in general the point is from the onset the concept

[2:33:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the trust was envisioned that it did not deliver services but that it would have an

[2:34:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): interest in all aspect of life on the islands plus a specific mandate to protect the environment

[2:34:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): so the driftwood's wrong in saying that the trust's original mandate was only the environment

[2:34:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that we have no business working on addressing housing crisis. They're wrong.

[2:34:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): As long as I hold this elected position, I will work to address the housing crisis,

[2:34:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): seeking integrated solutions that will address the myriad of issues that are confronting our

[2:34:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): islands, such as forest health, biodiversity, watersheds, water supply, climate emergency,

[2:34:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): land use, small business health, food security, and the community spirit and resiliency of our

[2:34:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): our society. I am happy that the islands across the Southern Gulf Islands are appointing trustees

[2:34:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): to come together to talk about what we could do as a region for short-term vacation rentals.

[2:34:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm hopeful that as a group that we'll be able to advocate CRD to pursue business licenses

[2:34:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): for managing short-term vacation rentals. I was also speaking with Adam Olson regarding

[2:35:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): regarding the speculation and vacancy tax.

[2:35:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): We'll be discussing further ways to consult the community

[2:35:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): about possible solutions.

[2:35:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): And both Adam and I favor solutions

[2:35:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): that keep the proceeds of the tax in the community,

[2:35:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): not in the provincial's general revenues.

[2:35:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Bunch of meetings that I've attended

[2:35:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): since our last meeting in January.

[2:35:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): I finalized it's 2021 work plan

[2:35:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): and reappointed me as chair.

[2:35:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll let Peter talk about the financial planning committee as we both sit on that but Peter's the

[2:35:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): chair executive committee has been busy preparing for the trust council meetings that are coming up

[2:35:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): in March the regional planning committee is continuing its work on the model fee bylaws

[2:35:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): had a series of hearings on both Saturna and Thetis Saturna did public hearings on the

[2:35:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): the underlying zoning for the National Park area

[2:36:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): and adding First Nations wording into the OCP

[2:36:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): and Thetis had a public hearing on riparian areas

[2:36:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): and both North Salt Spring and North Pender

[2:36:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): and South Pender are progressing

[2:36:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): with their short-term vacation rental to P guidelines

[2:36:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): and North Pender is still working

[2:36:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): through its land use bylaw review.

[2:36:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that is my report.

[2:36:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank

[2:36:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): you, Laura. And Peter Grove, over to you.

[2:36:36] Voice 10: Thanks, Chair Luckom, and thank you, Laura, for your report. And what can I add to that?

[2:36:44] Voice 10: I will say, as with everybody else, we've been battling with snow on the island, but it's kind of lovely to be housebound for reasons other than COVID.

[2:36:56] Voice 10: it um but so um quite frankly it's um been a challenge but it's kind of a fun challenge um

[2:37:03] Voice 10: we met um the ltc the three of us with our local farming community a little while back and

[2:37:10] Voice 10: there was a very constructive and um enjoyable meeting actually and good to hear from from them

[2:37:17] Voice 10: and what um they how they want to interact with us and what they would like us to be doing

[2:37:22] Voice 10: Farming is such a crucial part of our community and our history and our culture, and we all value it enormously.

[2:37:30] Voice 10: I'd like to think that we should all be shopping locally from our local farmers, in addition to in ways of supporting them.

[2:37:38] Voice 10: There have been, as Laura alluded, meetings of the Financial Planning Committee tomorrow.

[2:37:43] Voice 10: There is another one at this time of the year.

[2:37:46] Voice 10: It's a pretty busy committee as we work on the budget for the ensuing year.

[2:37:50] Voice 10: um there's a lot to cover and a lot to consider um and we were working our way slowly through it

[2:37:57] Voice 10: um i've been involved um with bc parks not really anything to do with uh ltc but it's um and i've

[2:38:05] Voice 10: been involved with bc parks our director gary homan also um dealing or trying to assist with

[2:38:12] Voice 10: regard to the trail uh the trail system on the park there's been quite a lot of work recently

[2:38:19] Voice 10: which has cut out some of the trails, particularly those that are used by the equestrian community.

[2:38:24] Voice 10: And so I have been trying to help find some kind of a mediated solution, if you like.

[2:38:32] Voice 10: And I'm quite hopeful and optimistic that we will do so.

[2:38:38] Voice 10: I sat in with a recent meeting of ask and Gary Holman was the key speaker at that one.

[2:38:47] Voice 10: And it was really worthwhile and a good meeting.

[2:38:52] Voice 10: And I have to say, Gail does a wonderful job of keeping that going.

[2:39:00] Voice 10: And we should be grateful to her.

[2:39:02] Voice 10: So that is my report, Chair.

[2:39:04] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[2:39:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Peter.

[2:39:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): So from my own quarter, there's a lot of activity ongoing for getting ready for Trust Council.

[2:39:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): in March, March the 9th, 10th, and 11th,

[2:39:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): a full-day session on policy statement review work

[2:39:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): and two days ostensibly talking about budget

[2:39:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): and other related business.

[2:39:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): But certainly this March is budget time

[2:39:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): and work is ongoing with that.

[2:39:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): As Peter's mentioned, FPC meets tomorrow

[2:39:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): for their last look at that or pretty close to the last look at that before

[2:39:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Council and the other committees are meeting bringing the regional planning

[2:39:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): services progress reports together as well as the trust area services reports

[2:40:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): together. I have been in meetings on Thetis and Liskety Island and everything

[2:40:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): is well I would say in the Islanders Trust with respect to everybody holding up in

[2:40:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): in their communities through this time of pandemic isolation, essential travel only.

[2:40:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): I did have to have a chuckle the other morning when I was listening to the news

[2:40:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): that they had expanded the essential travel only to now include snowfall.

[2:40:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): And you wonder what next is going to restrict our abilities to travel.

[2:40:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): But certainly that was sound advice for a number of accidents on the Malahat,

[2:40:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): which really my personal policy is not to go anywhere when it's snowing and I

[2:40:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): also have that same policy with respect to the COVID. I don't go anywhere if I

[2:40:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't have to. So that's it for me. I'm happy to hear from everybody. Really did

[2:40:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): enjoy the Agricultural Alliance and Agricultural APC meeting last week and

[2:41:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): we look forward to having more of those. I think that the Local Trust Committee

[2:41:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): and my congratulations go to both of the trustees really sort of reinventing

[2:41:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): ourselves a little bit to be much more open to dialogue and conversation and

[2:41:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): this is an example of that and indeed the housing work that we're doing is a

[2:41:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): further example of that because we're not working in isolation and we want to

[2:41:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): collaborate with everybody in every point of view there's lots we don't know

[2:41:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): and lots that you the public does know and we want to learn from you as

[2:41:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): much as um from anybody else so appreciate that and with that i'm going to go to regional director

[2:41:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): gary holman thank you for joining us today gary it's always interesting to hear what's happening

[2:41:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): in your quarter yeah

[2:41:56] Voice 18: thank you peter and and uh thanks as always for allowing me to participate

[2:42:01] Voice 18: in these uh meetings the trust does a really good job uh you know during this covet time of

[2:42:08] Voice 18: of still continuing to be available to the public.

[2:42:12] Voice 18: And it gives me an opportunity

[2:42:14] Voice 18: to update folks on some things going on in CRD.

[2:42:19] Voice 18: We're undertaking now a review of our local transit system

[2:42:25] Voice 18: with BC Transit, hasn't been reviewed since 2015, I believe.

[2:42:31] Voice 18: So there'll be obviously a public consultation phase

[2:42:35] Voice 18: and hoping to have recommendations about expansion of the system improvements to the system

[2:42:43] Voice 18: probably by the summer or fall of this year the transportation commission is already committed to

[2:42:51] Voice 18: expanding the service to bettis road which up to now has been doesn't hasn't had a service so we'll

[2:43:00] Voice 18: be we'll be doing that well the province has to confirm its share of the funding our share of the

[2:43:06] Voice 18: funding has already been uh committed uh laura mentioned the speculation

[2:43:11] Voice 18: tax and it's it's come up again in conversation and my my view on that which uh i've stated

[2:43:18] Voice 18: publicly is that we should review the the tax i think the there there may have been some changes

[2:43:25] Voice 18: in how it's applied since it was initially established.

[2:43:30] Voice 18: And as you know, the Gulf Islands were omitted from that tax.

[2:43:34] Voice 18: And in my view, the first step should be to review, you know, how does it work now?

[2:43:40] Voice 18: Are the revenues actually earmarked for affordable housing?

[2:43:44] Voice 18: I believe they are.

[2:43:45] Voice 18: I'm not clear that they're earmarked regionally or back to the area where the tax was raised.

[2:43:51] Voice 18: But definitely, I think we should review the speculation tax. And my understanding is MLA Olson is agreeable to that. And Laura's indicating that the trust would be agreeable to it, at least understand the pros and cons without making a commitment about ending the exemption.

[2:44:14] Voice 18: one issue that's come up recently has been the our booth canal to central pathway

[2:44:21] Voice 18: the extent of tree cutting on that pathway has raised a lot of concerns in the community and

[2:44:28] Voice 18: quite frankly i agree with the concerns i i think we have over designed that pathway it'll

[2:44:36] Voice 18: it will last for decades i mean that that is the good news that there will be now a safe walking

[2:44:42] Voice 18: pathway extending from Central which from the movie theater from Portlock Park

[2:44:48] Voice 18: all the way to Ganges so you know that's the good news but I do believe the

[2:44:53] Voice 18: pathway was over designed which also means the construction is more costly

[2:44:58] Voice 18: and also means that the degree of vegetation removal and tree removal in

[2:45:03] Voice 18: my view was excessive and we need to get back to a rural standard and our CRD

[2:45:09] Voice 18: staff is well aware of that and our local engineer has publicly stated he agrees with that. Peter

[2:45:14] Voice 18: mentioned Burgoyne Bay and I'm working with him and some of the stakeholder groups there that

[2:45:20] Voice 18: have proposals for both hiking and equestrian trails and it to a degree revolves around the

[2:45:29] Voice 18: CRD liquid waste facility and the road accessing that facility and there have been concerns

[2:45:34] Voice 18: expressed by CRD staff about potential conflicts there,

[2:45:38] Voice 18: safety issues there.

[2:45:39] Voice 18: So, but I'm working with Peter and the stakeholders

[2:45:42] Voice 18: to see if we can understand the potential conflicts,

[2:45:47] Voice 18: understand what the proposals are for options

[2:45:52] Voice 18: and see if we can come to a resolution

[2:45:55] Voice 18: that respects both interests in terms of safety

[2:46:02] Voice 18: and also hiking and equestrian access.

[2:46:07] Voice 18: Look forward to working with the trust

[2:46:10] Voice 18: on the Ganges Village Plan.

[2:46:12] Voice 18: The transportation will be a key part of that.

[2:46:15] Voice 18: And I think I've mentioned before,

[2:46:16] Voice 18: the commission is considering the possibility

[2:46:18] Voice 18: of hiring a consultant to do a concept design

[2:46:22] Voice 18: for pedestrian and cycling improvements in the village,

[2:46:27] Voice 18: which is basically how we approach the North Ganges Plan,

[2:46:32] Voice 18: which has now been completed after years.

[2:46:35] Voice 18: But these plans start with a concept that you take out to the public

[2:46:39] Voice 18: and private landowners in the village

[2:46:43] Voice 18: and to see if there's broad consensus on the kind of improvements

[2:46:47] Voice 18: that need to be made.

[2:46:49] Voice 18: And then that concept plan gets developed into more detailed designs

[2:46:54] Voice 18: and gets put in the Transportation Commission budget.

[2:46:58] Voice 18: budget um the climate plan uh uh that uh the transition society's been working on and both

[2:47:06] Voice 18: trustees have been involved in that my understanding is is going to be um publicly released i believe

[2:47:12] Voice 18: in early march uh lauren and peter may uh remember the date but i i do believe it's finally going to

[2:47:21] Voice 18: public release and i hope to as an initial response hope to um uh identify uh the top 10

[2:47:30] Voice 18: capital region uh projects that that um that are uh recommended in the plan and and that in fact

[2:47:37] Voice 18: a number of which we're already working on or have been working on for for years so that's exciting

[2:47:43] Voice 18: Laura mentioned the STVRs. When I was elected, I made a platform commitment to continue to support the existing trust policy with respect to STVRs on Salt Spring, which is to ban them.

[2:48:02] Voice 18: And I don't support legalizing them. And so therefore, I'm not interested in initiating business licenses on Salt Spring, which I think probably many businesses would appreciate that CRD doesn't get into licensing them.

[2:48:22] Voice 18: But I've taken a specific platform position on supporting the current OCP provisions around STVRs.

[2:48:34] Voice 18: Those provisions have been reviewed several times in detail.

[2:48:39] Voice 18: Years ago, there was even a specific committee set up that was, I recall, chaired by David Wood that looked at the pros and cons of STVRs.

[2:48:49] Voice 18: And in my view, I think our focus should be measures, both in terms of island stress and CRD, measures that support affordable housing, not regularizing or legalizing STVRs.

[2:49:04] Voice 18: So I'm afraid we have to agree to disagree on that one.

[2:49:08] Voice 18: But in any case, thanks so much to the Trust Committee for allowing me to present a summary of CRD activities.

[2:49:15] Voice 18: I'll I'll stay until the end of the town hall and then have to move on thank you

[2:49:32] Voice 11: trustee Luckum you're on mute if you're speaking I

[2:49:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): am speaking and thank you for

[2:49:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): the reminder I'll start again so thank you everybody for your reports and then

[2:49:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're gonna move on through delegations we didn't have any noted today we're

[2:49:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to move into town hall and questions a note that we've got 14

[2:49:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): 14 people online that have joined us

[2:49:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): through the meeting link.

[2:49:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Others of you may have joined the live streaming link.

[2:50:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if you wish to actually address

[2:50:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): COUNT Local Trust Committee today,

[2:50:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): you need to actually log out of the live streaming piece

[2:50:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): and come into the meeting link, which is on the webpage,

[2:50:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): the same place that you would have got

[2:50:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): for the streaming link.

[2:50:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): So like I said, 14 people.

[2:50:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): I noticed that there's four, five applicants now

[2:50:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): on that attendee list and that's terrific that you're here to speak to your applications

[2:50:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's no necessity for you to speak during the town hall you will be given an opportunity

[2:50:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): when we get to your application to uh provide remarks or concur with the um the recommendations

[2:50:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): included in the report or not and so appreciate that everybody's here just remind everybody to

[2:50:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): speak to the issues not people and please be respectful of your friends and neighbors that

[2:50:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): are online as well as the elected and the staff that are here it's really important that this be

[2:51:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): a safe place for the community and a safe place for our employees and welcome you all here today

[2:51:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): so with that said um there's a button at the bottom of the screen that allows you to raise

[2:51:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): raise your hand. There's also star nine, I believe it is on your phone. And perhaps I'll

[2:51:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): just turn to staff, Shayla Burnham. Is that correct? Star nine to raise your hand to speak

[2:51:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there's a button at the bottom of everybody's screen to raise your hand as well.

[2:51:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes, that's correct. Thank you very much then. So we usually provide

[2:51:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): provide some time limits but we're we're we can be generous and so two minutes is kind of a good

[2:51:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): number and um I'll start off if anybody wants to raise their hand now your digital hand if

[2:51:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're coming in by phone star nine if you're and that will enable us to enable you to speak

[2:52:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): just wait for a moment to let you get that sorted out well it would appear oh here we go uh well I

[2:52:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): I see Adam Kellen, applicant.

[2:52:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): If you wish to speak to something

[2:52:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): other than your application, happy to hear from you now,

[2:52:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): but you will have an opportunity to speak

[2:52:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): to your application when we get to it.

[2:52:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Adam, can we promote him for a moment

[2:52:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): if he doesn't take his hand down?

[2:52:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you'll have to unmute yourself, Adam.

[2:52:36] Voice 4: Hi there, this is Robin here.

[2:52:38] Voice 4: Adam is my son and I'm just in his office using his computer.

[2:52:41] Voice 4: So I will be speaking to the application

[2:52:43] Voice 4: regarding 2188 North End Road.

[2:52:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, that's great, thank you.

[2:52:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll come to you when we get to that.

[2:52:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is there anybody that wishes to address

[2:52:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Local Trust Committee today?

[2:52:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So not seeing any other hands come up,

[2:53:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm gonna just take it that the reporting

[2:53:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): from the trustees, well done.

[2:53:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let everybody know what's happening

[2:53:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there are no further questions.

[2:53:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then I'm going to move on to applications.

[2:53:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): And the first application before us is Salt Spring rezoning 2020.2, Hunt and Carr at 125 Churchill Road.

[2:53:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is a preliminary staff report from Planner Mays.

[2:53:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I'll turn to Planner Mays to provide us this report and the direction that's been provided there.

[2:53:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there will be an opportunity for the applicant to speak to it if they wish.

[2:53:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Wonderful.

[2:53:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Go ahead.

[2:53:48] Planner Mayes (probable): Hopefully you guys are able to see the PowerPoint.

[2:53:53] Planner Mayes (probable): Absolutely.

[2:53:54] Planner Mayes (probable): Great.

[2:53:55] Planner Mayes (probable): So just an introduction.

[2:53:56] Planner Mayes (probable): This preliminary report is introducing an application to amend the Salt Spring Island official community plan

[2:54:02] Planner Mayes (probable): and rezone a residential seven property to make lawful an existing bakery

[2:54:06] Planner Mayes (probable): and two commercial guest accommodation units.

[2:54:09] Planner Mayes (probable): Staff are recommending the Salt Spring and Local Trust Committee direct staff to proceed with drafting a bylaw rezoning the subject property that requires a vegetation screen in consideration of applicable OCP policies and objectives.

[2:54:24] Planner Mayes (probable): So below you can see the zoning of the property, a zoning map as well as an ortho photo from 2017.

[2:54:33] Planner Mayes (probable): And this would be a site map.

[2:54:35] Planner Mayes (probable): So just a little background on the property. The subject property is located in central

[2:54:40] Planner Mayes (probable): Salt Spring Island at the corner of Upper Ganges and Churchill Roads.

[2:54:44] Planner Mayes (probable): It's 0.89 hectares or 2.21 acres and zone residential 7.

[2:54:52] Planner Mayes (probable): This is a follow-up from the meeting of January 19, 2021, where the LTC designated both the

[2:55:00] Planner Mayes (probable): unlawful uses currently occurring on the property community need in accordance with standing

[2:55:05] Planner Mayes (probable): resolution ss 2020.045 so here are some photos of the subject property on the top is the exterior

[2:55:16] Planner Mayes (probable): of the bakery bakery building that's considered in this application its exterior as well as its

[2:55:21] Planner Mayes (probable): interior and the rear which includes the septic field and outhouse for patrons this is the single

[2:55:29] Planner Mayes (probable): family dwelling which includes a secondary suite as well as a separate accessory building

[2:55:34] Planner Mayes (probable): as well as the garden on the property and a pond. These are some photos of the commercial

[2:55:40] Planner Mayes (probable): guest accommodation units that are currently sited on the property. One being a glamping style

[2:55:48] Planner Mayes (probable): gallery glamp and also a cabin that is formerly or is an accessory building.

[2:55:56] Planner Mayes (probable): The following are some photos of the exterior around the subject property.

[2:56:01] Planner Mayes (probable): It's located along the Upper Ganges Road pathway, and that's the view as well from just across on Upper Ganges Road.

[2:56:11] Planner Mayes (probable): So some key issues. This report has explored various issues and opportunities, including parking, potable water, land use and building permit history,

[2:56:20] Planner Mayes (probable): home-based business regulations, neighbourhood impacts, vegetation screens and impacts on agricultural land,

[2:56:26] Planner Mayes (probable): as well as the future vision for the subject property as well as president setting and public

[2:56:30] Planner Mayes (probable): perception. In accordance with the development approvals information bylaw staff have required

[2:56:38] Planner Mayes (probable): the applicant to provide a parking study which is forthcoming. I note that I received something

[2:56:45] Planner Mayes (probable): from the applicants this morning. I haven't had a chance to review that yet so that will be

[2:56:50] Planner Mayes (probable): brought forward at a future meeting and this is to determine compliance with the land use bylaw

[2:56:55] Planner Mayes (probable): and address the use of the highway right-of-way by patrons of the bakery business and the parking

[2:57:01] Planner Mayes (probable): capacity of the subject property. And this is just some information that was found within the

[2:57:08] Planner Mayes (probable): parking section. As well, the subject property is serviced by the North Salt Spring Water Works

[2:57:14] Planner Mayes (probable): District. The proposed rezoning may require an increase of the required volume of potable water

[2:57:20] Planner Mayes (probable): for the land use by-law. And should the Local Trust Committee direct staff to draft a by-law,

[2:57:25] Planner Mayes (probable): it should be referred to the north salt spring waterworks district at that time

[2:57:29] Planner Mayes (probable): as well the local trust committee may wish to consider the future vision of the subject property

[2:57:35] Planner Mayes (probable): determining whether its land ocp land use designation should reflect general employment

[2:57:41] Planner Mayes (probable): ganji's commercial core or potentially a larger scale home-based business

[2:57:48] Planner Mayes (probable): the recommendation recommendations are as follows definitely correspondence and received received

[2:57:56] Planner Mayes (probable): received in respect to designating the business a community need shows there is a large volume of support for the bakery business. However, staff note that the application seeks a permanent zoning change of the subject property, which could be further developed in the future.

[2:58:09] Planner Mayes (probable): There are a number of outstanding issues that are still to be addressed, such as parking the septic capacity, building permit requirements and allocation of potable water from the community water system, servicing the subject property.

[2:58:21] Planner Mayes (probable): pretty I'm happy to take any questions should there be any all

[2:58:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): right thank you

[2:58:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): very much planner maze so I'll just ask the applicant if they have any comments

[2:58:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): or whether they concur with the recommendations in the report to proceed

[2:58:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): with drafting amendments and turn the floor over to you

[2:58:49] Voice 5: if you're there

[2:59:01] Voice 22: Yeah, that all sounds good. We'd like to proceed if that was okay.

[2:59:07] Voice 22: Yeah, I wish

[2:59:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): that was the question. Yeah, I

[2:59:10] Voice 22: don't think there's really anything we need to say that hasn't already been said by us and our supporters. So we'll leave it in your hands.

[2:59:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, well so then I'm going to turn the conversation over to the trustees and if you don't mind hanging on there, the trustees may have questions for you as well as they might have questions for the staff.

[2:59:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): of course trustee so trustees over to you who would like to speak Laura Patrick

[2:59:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): um this application I mean what I'm concerned about is we've got the Ganges village planning

[2:59:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): coming and there are some good questions and worthy questions of asking of where

[2:59:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): the boundaries of Ganges villages and so forth in relation to this property

[2:59:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): um if your application wasn't on the outskirts of of Ganges then I'd say there's

[2:59:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): Peace.

[3:00:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): some really good serious questions we should ask about the home-based

[3:00:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): businesses and the extent of businesses,

[3:00:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): because they're not unique and having a bakery operation, I guess,

[3:00:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): operating at their home. But I just want to ask the applicants,

[3:00:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, there's moving forward with rezoning and I understand their desire to

[3:00:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): move forward and they feel they have strong support,

[3:00:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): but as this starts to turn into bylaws and we get into more public

[3:00:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): consultation, there, there will be more,

[3:00:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): more, more comments coming. In fact, I have heard from some of the neighbors concerned about

[3:00:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): whether or not it would be a full fledged restaurant with liquor licenses and open to

[3:00:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): the late hours and all of that. And, and that it could be very different from what it is today. So

[3:00:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): I guess I'm looking at the applicants to say, is your desire just, you know, to, if you go through

[3:00:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): through this expense and time to get

[3:00:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): and end up with a successful rezoning,

[3:00:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): what were your visions or are your visions?

[3:01:02] Voice 22: To carry on doing exactly what we're doing right now

[3:01:06] Voice 22: and have been for three years.

[3:01:12] Voice 22: Yeah, that's all.

[3:01:13] Voice 22: Thank you.

[3:01:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[3:01:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Grove.

[3:01:20] Voice 10: Yeah, follow up to that.

[3:01:23] Voice 10: Thanks, Megan.

[3:01:24] Voice 10: And so your vision doesn't really include necessarily the accommodation, which is part of apparently part of this application.

[3:01:35] Voice 10: Is that right?

[3:01:37] Voice 11: Yes. Yes, that's correct.

[3:01:40] Voice 22: Yeah. I mean, this is a family family based business and it will continue to be so.

[3:01:46] Voice 22: and my parents who are also part of this meeting

[3:01:50] Voice 22: who've operated the B&B for 15 years

[3:01:52] Voice 22: are just trying to legalize that as well.

[3:02:00] Voice 10: It's my understanding, and staff can correct me,

[3:02:02] Voice 10: that the B&B can happen anyway.

[3:02:06] Voice 10: That's not a question of...

[3:02:07] Voice 10: I'm just wondering if it needs to be a part of this application, really,

[3:02:12] Voice 10: because to my mind, it muddies the waters.

[3:02:15] Voice 10: is you

[3:02:17] Voice 2: know it says it's it's nick here nick hunt uh the problem with the bnb is that the cottage

[3:02:23] Voice 2: if the cottage is uh the bnb that we had in the house is no longer it's now the residence

[3:02:29] Voice 2: of peter and megan um but the bnb that we have is the cottage uh which we have had for eight years

[3:02:37] Voice 2: nine years uh it's a cottage that was on the property when we bought it um we converted it

[3:02:43] Voice 2: to a B&B about 19 years ago. And that's the question. So it's that one building, 240 square

[3:02:53] Voice 2: feet.

[3:02:55] Voice 10: Okay, I guess I'm not up to date enough on the rules, but I think that is something that I

[3:03:01] Voice 10: want to flag for staff. I'm not sure how important that is to the application, because I think you

[3:03:08] Voice 10: can probably carry on with that. Anyway, as a matter of interest, Megan, did you consider

[3:03:15] Voice 10: moving the operation to the merchant's muse just which isn't very far away I'm just curious about

[3:03:21] Voice 10: that

[3:03:21] Voice 21: well I don't know so part of the bakery I would say like part of the heart of the bakery

[3:03:28] Voice 21: is the oven that we use so we use like a masonry style oven that isn't you can't just like put

[3:03:35] Voice 21: anywhere and so originally when we started this we did approach the CRD about building the oven

[3:03:42] Voice 21: in on the bakery and we were given permission to do so and it's not something I can just like

[3:03:48] Voice 21: lift up and move and also it's we think it's the most sustainable way to be to be baking bread

[3:03:57] Voice 21: um and we have a really small business we're only open a few days a week we want our footprint to

[3:04:04] Voice 21: be small but in order to do that it has to be also affordable and so like i don't when i look around

[3:04:13] Voice 21: at commercial property it's very very expensive and i'm not sure we could have the style of

[3:04:19] Voice 21: business that is sustainable in what's available elsewhere especially if it means moving the

[3:04:26] Voice 21: business i also think like part i know we talk a lot about like aesthetics and like the bakeries

[3:04:34] Voice 21: it is a really beautiful natural setting there's a sculpture park already there that already

[3:04:39] Voice 21: attracts people like if you look at visitors locals everybody if they take a picture of the

[3:04:46] Voice 21: bakery to put on say like their facebook or something like it is of their bread and it is

[3:04:51] Voice 21: of the building and of the art like it is a whole package deal thank

[3:04:58] Voice 10: you that makes complete sense

[3:05:00] Voice 10: I hadn't thought about the oven, but I just would, I'm, staff are paying attention to this. Of course

[3:05:06] Voice 10: they are. So questions really, from my point of view, relate to the accommodation, as my fellow

[3:05:13] Voice 10: trustee, Laura Patrick has said, the size and the vision for the restaurant. I mean, I think it's

[3:05:19] Voice 10: great like it is right now, but I mean, so do we limit it to ensure no larger development and

[3:05:26] Voice 10: and liquor sales and that kind of thing.

[3:05:28] Voice 10: Then the other issue is, as you know very well,

[3:05:31] Voice 10: but it's gonna have to be dealt with is parking.

[3:05:34] Voice 10: And I have had neighbors talk to me

[3:05:37] Voice 10: about the parking issues on the road,

[3:05:40] Voice 10: but I think you're trying to address that, which is great.

[3:05:43] Voice 10: Anyway, thank you.

[3:05:44] Voice 10: Those are my questions and comments.

[3:05:46] Voice 10: Thank you, Peter.

[3:05:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thanks.

[3:05:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[3:05:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura Patrick, did you have another question

[3:05:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): for staff or for the applicant?

[3:05:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I was curious if they would,

[3:05:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): if a temporary use permit would be a better approach while the Ganges village planning and

[3:06:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): be active in the Ganges village planning, then I'm concerned about the expense of going through

[3:06:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): rezoning. And, and what if it's not successful? I, you know, I don't want to set up, I,

[3:06:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can never promise the outcome of a rezoning because it has to go through the public process.

[3:06:18] Voice 21: Sorry, you continue. No.

[3:06:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I was just wondering, like a temporary use permit to keep your

[3:06:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): operation going um while uh and then and then get active in the the ganges village planning to say

[3:06:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): to to really talk about where the boundaries of the village are and and and you know because i'm

[3:06:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): very cognizant of the cost involved in rezoning and the the and i don't want it to become a

[3:06:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): a stressful thing um

[3:06:43] Voice 21: so we've we have brought up the temporary use permit every time we've met with

[3:06:48] Voice 21: the planning staff um since the very beginning and it always has been advised to us that it's not

[3:06:55] Voice 21: the best way to go um we've most recently figured out it's not the best way to go because

[3:07:02] Voice 21: of the actual square footage of the bakery is over not very good at all the words i'm supposed

[3:07:10] Voice 21: to use but it's over the um like the legal allowance for the property

[3:07:14] Voice 11: um

[3:07:15] Voice 21: for uh and we

[3:07:17] Voice 21: We also were in sort of a pickle where we would like to add a walk-in cooler.

[3:07:22] Voice 21: We're really limited right now.

[3:07:24] Voice 21: All of our breads have to go in the refrigerator overnight.

[3:07:28] Voice 21: And so we were told with a TUP, we wouldn't be able to add that.

[3:07:33] Voice 21: And it's been something we've wanted to do for three years now.

[3:07:37] Voice 21: And we aren't really able to like, sometimes we sell out at 10, 15 in the morning

[3:07:45] Voice 21: because we can't produce what the demand is because we can't just add on like this small

[3:07:54] Voice 21: cooler so that is what we understand to be like why we can't have a tup is that we won't

[3:08:02] Voice 21: it'll change the building yeah then

[3:08:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): can i redirect to staff and ask why because i'm

[3:08:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): north pender we have an entire concrete plant under a temporary use permit so this is a bakery

[3:08:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sure.

[3:08:14] Planner Mayes (probable): So I can certainly answer that, as well as Peter Grove's questions about the commercial accommodation units prior to.

[3:08:20] Planner Mayes (probable): So I will share my screen.

[3:08:24] Planner Mayes (probable): So under this particular section here, land use and building permit history of the subject property,

[3:08:31] Planner Mayes (probable): staff noted that prior to 2011, likely the subject property was in compliance with relevant regulations.

[3:08:38] Planner Mayes (probable): The subject property permits single family dwelling and for accessory buildings, they can have 70 square meters. It's not inclusive of another building that's 25 square meters so that 25 square meters is the cabin and not accessory building has been converted to an access to a commercial guest accommodation unit.

[3:08:59] Planner Mayes (probable): So hopefully that answers your question, Peter, which isn't permitted use under our land use bylaw.

[3:09:06] Planner Mayes (probable): Accessory buildings are not permitted to be used for residential or guest accommodation units.

[3:09:10] Planner Mayes (probable): And bed and breakfast operations are only permitted within a dwelling unit or within a permitted seasonal cottage, which this particular property isn't permitted.

[3:09:21] Planner Mayes (probable): And just as Megan noted, this is a look towards growth.

[3:09:29] Planner Mayes (probable): If they were seeking a building permit to increase the size of the floor area, which

[3:09:34] Planner Mayes (probable): is already maxed out for this property, the alterations to that accessory building that

[3:09:40] Planner Mayes (probable): currently houses the bakery is now even larger than the initial permitted 70 square meters.

[3:09:46] Planner Mayes (probable): And it also now exceeds the home-based business regulations.

[3:09:50] Planner Mayes (probable): And so to go through that building permit process, it couldn't be approved on a temporary

[3:09:56] Planner Mayes (probable): basis.

[3:09:56] Planner Mayes (probable): it would have to have the contingency of being a temporary building and so this rezoning is

[3:10:02] Planner Mayes (probable): is the path forward for them to to move forward towards those improvements okay

[3:10:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): well thank you

[3:10:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): planner mays uh trustee patrick i'm

[3:10:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): still i'm still confused as to a temporary use permit the

[3:10:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): structure itself has to be temporary is it or is it just because they've exceeded

[3:10:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): needed regardless of any business occurring on their property the amount of square footage of

[3:10:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): accessory buildings is is that the issue so

[3:10:36] Planner Mayes (probable): so that's certainly one of them they've they've maxed

[3:10:38] Planner Mayes (probable): it out um for for their accessory building floor area for that particular property so that's the

[3:10:43] Planner Mayes (probable): 70 meters plus the 25 meters and then as well to um any additions to you know will probably require

[3:10:51] Planner Mayes (probable): a building permit and that would be a question for the CRD.

[3:10:58] Voice 8: Can we vary square footage of accessory

[3:11:02] Voice 8: buildings?

[3:11:06] Planner Mayes (probable): We can certainly however in this case you'd be varying for home-based business use

[3:11:13] Planner Mayes (probable): and so you'd be seeking seeking something that could potentially vary use and density well not

[3:11:21] Planner Mayes (probable): necessarily density but use in its own so certainly there could be some problematic aspects to going

[3:11:26] Planner Mayes (probable): that route with this particular application and also too you know i will note that there is no

[3:11:32] Planner Mayes (probable): guarantee on the path forward with the ganges village project at the moment

[3:11:36] Planner Mayes (probable): as it's it's currently its preliminary stage um

[3:11:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): if they had a temporary use permit to operate

[3:11:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): the bakery first and then could they vary the building afterwards because it's a temporary use

[3:11:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's been permitted that's no longer home-based business it's a temporary use to do what they're

[3:12:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): doing yeah

[3:12:02] Planner Mayes (probable): and so certainly you know the application or sorry the staff report sort of

[3:12:07] Planner Mayes (probable): made note on on the path forward and why um so i mean i can certainly read that out um business

[3:12:14] Planner Mayes (probable): owners exceeding home-based visit regulations may apply for temporary use permits uh or a bylaw

[3:12:19] Planner Mayes (probable): amendment or rezoning um generally tps are constrained by the limitations of a property

[3:12:25] Planner Mayes (probable): in respect to floor area and the temporary nature of this legislative tool um and then

[3:12:31] Planner Mayes (probable): it's just the application sorry applicant's desire to sort of expand the current operation

[3:12:36] Planner Mayes (probable): has made the rezoning the best route so certainly I mean I would say that perhaps

[3:12:44] Planner Mayes (probable): Stefan may wish to have a conversation on that he and I have discussed this and certainly

[3:12:50] Planner Mayes (probable): our conversations with the applicant from December onwards noted that their

[3:12:56] Planner Mayes (probable): desire for expanding their current application sorry their current footprint would

[3:13:04] Planner Mayes (probable): the rezoning would be the best route.

[3:13:05] Planner Mayes (probable): And I see Stefan.

[3:13:10] Voice 16: Sorry, I don't have anything to add.

[3:13:11] Voice 16: I'm just here to answer any questions.

[3:13:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:13:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees, any more questions or thoughts here?

[3:13:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, this is,

[3:13:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll just maybe comment.

[3:13:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is a significant step here.

[3:13:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think that's where Laura's,

[3:13:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): what Laura's thinking about,

[3:13:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that if we start going down the drafting amendments

[3:13:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): amendments to the land use bylaw through the rezoning, that opens up a big door which essentially

[3:13:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): creates zoning for property in perpetuity, essentially, as long as it stays zoned that

[3:13:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): way.

[3:13:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's very different than a temporary use permit.

[3:13:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that it's not about the folks that are living there presently, it's about future

[3:14:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): potential residents that might be living there and what their interpretation of

[3:14:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): the zoning might be so this is a really big important community decision to

[3:14:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): change the zoning and from my own perspective it's there's a lot of

[3:14:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): proposed activities going on there the scale of which is not just a bakery and

[3:14:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so and I think about that in terms of wanting to respect the neighbors in

[3:14:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): the community broadly as an off-islander to be sure that we're doing this in the best interest

[3:14:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the community and certainly notwithstanding the huge amount of support for the bakery

[3:14:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): on that property and so certainly i can see what planner mays is saying is that some of this

[3:14:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): is outside of the scope of the current zoning however i do i can't help but wonder if that we

[3:14:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): You weren't doing commercial guest accommodations, whether a walk-in freezer might fit within the parameters that exist presently using an existing structure, because you wouldn't be maxing out on the size.

[3:15:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so those are trade-offs, but it's a business decision, I realize, and it's up to you folks to decide that.

[3:15:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): I respect and admire the fact, and I've always said that if you're going to run a business on the islands, you need to have your eggs in more than one basket.

[3:15:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): And certainly, you know, restaurants and sales and commercial accommodation and baking is a lot of eggs in different baskets.

[3:15:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, yeah, it's that's why there's some questions, because we want we want to look after your interests as well as the community's interests.

[3:15:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anybody else have anything to say? Peter Grove?

[3:15:43] Voice 10: Yes, thank you. And I hope you applicants are listening to the concerns that are being raised.

[3:15:50] Voice 10: I mean, I think what Laura had to say earlier is so valid.

[3:15:53] Voice 10: This is a big exercise.

[3:15:56] Voice 10: Personally, I'm in support of moving it forward, provided the applicants want us to do so.

[3:16:05] Voice 10: We have in our fairly recent history a number of significant applicants, applications which have gone ahead and then not done so after we've gone to the community and got community feedback.

[3:16:17] Voice 10: And I don't need to give you a list of those.

[3:16:19] Voice 10: I'm sure you know which they are, but it's an expensive exercise for you and if it doesn't

[3:16:26] Voice 10: succeed then it comes to an end, whereas there may be some smaller steps we can move with.

[3:16:35] Voice 10: I mean I think the commercial guest accommodation I suspect can be dealt with in different ways,

[3:16:41] Voice 10: but anyway I'm supportive provided you know what you're getting yourself into,

[3:16:47] Voice 10: you're going into it with open eyes and open ears and be prepared for whatever it is that may

[3:16:53] Voice 10: result. I don't mean to sound alarmist, but it's a real...

[3:16:59] Voice 2: Hello, can I just say a couple of things

[3:17:03] Voice 2: about that? This is Nick again. We've talked with Catherine about this, Christine, sorry,

[3:17:11] Voice 2: about this thing. The TUP has definitely come up on many occasions. And in some way, if it could

[3:17:18] Voice 2: be made to work, we would prefer that and wait to see what happens with the Ganges Village plan.

[3:17:26] Voice 2: Secondly, I just want to address this question of our neighbors etc etc and the size of the lot

[3:17:31] Voice 2: and what have you. We are very keen to keep a residential component to the lot and with two and

[3:17:38] Voice 2: a bit acres we've identified on the property that part that is if you like doing some commercial

[3:17:45] Voice 2: business, which is an acre or less. And we would like, and that is the part that is actually on the

[3:17:52] Voice 2: upper border on our property, and to have the residential component, an acre on our

[3:18:01] Voice 2: neighbor's lot, which is a vacant lot at the moment, but we anticipate there'll be some action

[3:18:06] Voice 2: taking place on that in the next couple of years, would be better for all concerned, certainly for

[3:18:12] Voice 2: us. I mean this notion that the whole two acres plus gets zoned commercial is not something that

[3:18:19] Voice 2: I really desire as the property owner. Okay

[3:18:25] Voice 2: so that's my two bits.

[3:18:30] Voice 7: I'd also like to say a word.

[3:18:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm happy to hear from the applicant.

[3:18:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay does somebody else want to speak?

[3:18:40] Voice 7: I'm Celia. Hello.

[3:18:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Not

[3:18:42] Voice 7: the property owner. I know we had a very good conversation with Christine Mays, and she has come back with her recommendations that we seek a C4 designation, which has built in restrictions to the extent of development that we can do on the property.

[3:19:00] Voice 7: and that strikes me as the best way to go forward.

[3:19:06] Voice 7: I mean, she did suggest that the TUP

[3:19:08] Voice 7: was not going to be helpful to us.

[3:19:12] Voice 7: So I'm of the opinion that we should proceed

[3:19:15] Voice 7: with the planner's suggestions of using the C4 designation.

[3:19:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Patrick.

[3:19:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm not a planner, so I'm not,

[3:19:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): But I mean, the temporary use permit for the circumstances that we're in and because of your

[3:19:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): proximity to town and hopefully the eventual Ganges Village planning exercise, I just can't

[3:19:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): understand why it can't be figured out for this case to give you the comfort for your business

[3:19:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): to continue without anyone getting upset

[3:20:04] Voice 22: yeah i'll speak quickly and sadly contradict what my

[3:20:10] Voice 22: mother just said but we actually we would be definitely open to whatever the easiest quickest

[3:20:17] Voice 22: way to proceed would be and if the tup can be made to work in our circumstances then that would be

[3:20:23] Voice 22: fine for us um we don't have grand development plans here we just want to have that looming

[3:20:29] Voice 22: I mean, thread of closure lifted off of our shoulders,

[3:20:31] Voice 22: if not for three years, even.

[3:20:35] Voice 22: But we don't plan on going anywhere.

[3:20:37] Voice 22: I mean, I grew up here on the property,

[3:20:40] Voice 22: so I'm returned here.

[3:20:42] Voice 22: So anyways, thank you.

[3:20:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anything else from anybody?

[3:20:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just see Patrick.

[3:20:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, Stefan.

[3:20:54] Voice 16: Hi, I'd just like to comment on the process.

[3:20:58] Voice 16: The applicants are at probably the most,

[3:21:01] Voice 16: one of the two most significant stages

[3:21:03] Voice 16: of rezoning application.

[3:21:05] Voice 16: This report that you have before you is an intention

[3:21:09] Voice 16: to itemize all the issues that staff have sort of found

[3:21:13] Voice 16: through the policy and review.

[3:21:15] Voice 16: The second most important stage, of course,

[3:21:17] Voice 16: is going through public hearing.

[3:21:19] Voice 16: So this is kind of a milestone moment

[3:21:22] Voice 16: in the rezoning application.

[3:21:23] Voice 16: And this is the hardest step to get to.

[3:21:26] Voice 16: Now that you're here, staff would be,

[3:21:29] Voice 16: it seems unwise to staff, and this is my opinion,

[3:21:31] Voice 16: to stop for yet another process, which now to start that process would be time consuming.

[3:21:39] Voice 16: I can't guarantee how long it'll take to get from here to the public hearing and to adoption,

[3:21:44] Voice 16: but it shouldn't take as long as it took for you to get to this point, if you're following what I'm

[3:21:49] Voice 16: saying. So the Ganges Village project is a complete unknown where it's going and when it gets there

[3:21:55] Voice 16: and how it gets there in the whole bit and even if we do go down that path um it could you could

[3:22:01] Voice 16: amend the bylaw in the future as well at that time so what i'm trying to say is the most certain path

[3:22:07] Voice 16: for you right now in my opinion is where you are right now is to continue on the path that you have

[3:22:14] Voice 16: and what i heard loud and clear from the applicants is that you want to simply legalize

[3:22:19] Voice 16: what you are doing now and that is this that's the direction staff have heard

[3:22:24] Voice 16: and if the LTC concur for staff to continue that's the bylaw that will be

[3:22:28] Voice 16: drafted I don't know what that looks like because it could be one of really

[3:22:32] Voice 16: it's just it could say anything but really you're just looking to legalize

[3:22:36] Voice 16: the existing bakery perhaps a little bit bigger to account for your cold storage

[3:22:41] Voice 16: you talked about and to legalize this short-term vacation rental but because

[3:22:46] Voice 16: B&B is legal so I'm not sure the difference of what's going on and yeah I

[3:22:51] Voice 16: just want to really point out that this first report is the hardest spot for

[3:22:55] Voice 16: staff to get to because it requires the full review of everything and you're

[3:22:59] Voice 16: there so I wouldn't want to discourage that and if Ganges village planning

[3:23:03] Voice 16: changes the future of that then you'll be incorporated at that time two three

[3:23:06] Voice 16: years down the road but you're pretty close to getting to a public hearing

[3:23:09] Voice 16: which should only be a few months away during this current process so that's my

[3:23:14] Voice 16: advice if you want to change tracks i'll leave that up to you but um that's why you've got staff's

[3:23:19] Voice 16: advice the way it is uh

[3:23:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee grove thank

[3:23:25] Voice 10: you steph and that was really helpful so as you point

[3:23:29] Voice 10: out this is a very important step so i'm looking at the recommendations one through e that um we

[3:23:36] Voice 10: we have before us so if i were to follow what you have said with regard to the importance of what

[3:23:43] Voice 10: what we're deciding on now, I would make a couple of adjustments, and I'm curious as to what you

[3:23:48] Voice 10: think. So rather than restaurants in a sort of a broad base, I would say something like

[3:23:55] Voice 10: one restaurant not to exceed present size, and then under commercial guest accommodation,

[3:24:03] Voice 10: it would be two cabins not exceeding 25 square meters each. 25 square meters remind me when I

[3:24:12] Voice 10: get off the blower here how many feet that is um and then lastly there needs to be some

[3:24:19] Voice 10: reference to parking uh

[3:24:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): somebody on staff want to chime in to that seems like that's a little ahead

[3:24:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the game but uh

[3:24:32] Planner Mayes (probable): certainly these recommendations can be sorry these items can all be amended as

[3:24:39] Planner Mayes (probable): as follows. Certainly, this discussion too will help. So a lot of in the staff report,

[3:24:46] Planner Mayes (probable): you know, we provided examples. That's the one we talked about the C4 zoning examples of where

[3:24:52] Planner Mayes (probable): potentially this bylaw amendment could go forward towards. And so certainly any changes such as

[3:24:59] Planner Mayes (probable): limiting the amount of restaurants is certainly a path forward that can be explored.

[3:25:06] Voice 10: Sorry, is this the time to raise that or not?

[3:25:10] Planner Mayes (probable): Absolutely.

[3:25:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): You're on mute, Peter.

[3:25:19] Voice 10: Sorry. A, how much is 25 square metres? And B, what about parking? Does that need to be identified here?

[3:25:28] Planner Mayes (probable): No. So parking will have to be in accordance with our parking regulations, which is Part 7.

[3:25:33] Planner Mayes (probable): So that's what we're seeking to address with the parking study.

[3:25:37] Planner Mayes (probable): That's been required from the applicant as part of the Development Approvals Information Bylaw.

[3:25:41] Planner Mayes (probable): law. And so that seeks to make reference to this particular section or slide. So 13 spaces are

[3:25:50] Planner Mayes (probable): required, one of which must be for the disabled and two bike parking spots. As well, there needs

[3:25:55] Planner Mayes (probable): to be an one off street loading space in accordance with 7.6.1. And so that, again, you know, I

[3:26:05] Planner Mayes (probable): received some some diagrams from the applicant today. I did not have time to review them before

[3:26:10] Planner Mayes (probable): today's meeting um so our next staff report should should address those um

[3:26:17] Voice 10: and sorry and uh 25

[3:26:18] Voice 10: square meters it looks like about 250 square feet is that

[3:26:26] Planner Mayes (probable): approximately which is why the the current

[3:26:29] Planner Mayes (probable): accessory building which is uh called gallery cabin that one was considered to be placed on

[3:26:36] Planner Mayes (probable): the property in accordance with that section of our accessory building regulations but then was

[3:26:41] Planner Mayes (probable): unlawfully converted to a guest accommodation unit so

[3:26:46] Voice 10: chair i am prepared to move ahead with

[3:26:50] Voice 10: these recommendations um maybe with a couple of small amendments thanks okay

[3:26:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): well let's uh hear

[3:26:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): from trustee patrick first and um go ahead trustee patrick i

[3:27:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): i heard you know staff talk that close

[3:27:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): to a public hearing but i'm just double checking here up you know parking study is that it or are

[3:27:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Are there other things that are going to be discovered yet, either through the referral process or that could create more studies, more things that would be asked upon them?

[3:27:25] Planner Mayes (probable): And so at that point, that will certainly be a determination of the local trust committee.

[3:27:30] Planner Mayes (probable): This preliminary staff report identified those areas which we felt needed to be addressed.

[3:27:35] Planner Mayes (probable): And so the septic capacity study was one of those.

[3:27:38] Planner Mayes (probable): I've asked the applicant to provide further details on that in accordance with that OCP policy, and that is forthcoming.

[3:27:47] Planner Mayes (probable): And again, that parking study is the next sort of vital piece to moving this application forward.

[3:27:53] Planner Mayes (probable): I noted as part of the next steps is we are waiting for those until I can come back to the local trust committee with a bylaw.

[3:28:00] Planner Mayes (probable): So, you know, the certainly the benefits of the DAI bylaw is that we can ask for this in advance, which reduces processing time, which it may do in this case.

[3:28:11] Planner Mayes (probable): Any

[3:28:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): other questions?

[3:28:39] Voice 16: Stefan Cermak.

[3:28:40] Voice 16: and to not have any, to reduce the amount of surprises

[3:28:43] Voice 16: and to increase the certainty for applicants.

[3:28:46] Voice 16: So staff's request for those studies

[3:28:49] Voice 16: should be all that we ask for

[3:28:53] Voice 16: unless the local trust committee decides otherwise.

[3:29:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Stefan.

[3:29:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm just having to think about that.

[3:29:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): I thought the development approval information bylaws

[3:29:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): were restricted to development variants,

[3:29:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): not rezonings.

[3:29:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): but I may just not be up to date on the details of that.

[3:29:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's an interesting notion, which I don't think is widely used.

[3:29:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): We certainly have an administrative responsibility to be fair.

[3:29:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Did you want to comment on that?

[3:29:31] Voice 16: Sure.

[3:29:32] Voice 16: Yeah, the Development Approval Information Bylaw is relevant to development permits,

[3:29:38] Voice 16: to temporary use permits, and to rezoning applications.

[3:29:42] Voice 16: And it's a long convoluted administrative bylaw, but the whole purpose is for that when applicants apply and staff review, do a preliminary review of the official community plan and other issues, that when staff ask the applicant for information, then the

[3:30:00] Voice 16: it isn't kind of, there are no further surprises to the applicant. It's meant to provide some

[3:30:05] Voice 16: certainty. And so the LTC adopted that bylaw. You're right. It's not super common that people

[3:30:10] Voice 16: do that, but it stops. It just, yeah, the certainty is, I thought that's why the LTC did

[3:30:17] Voice 16: in the first place. And it certainly helps staff not have a ping pong effect whereby, oh, what

[3:30:22] Voice 16: about this? What about that? So I'm pretty confident staff shouldn't be asking for any

[3:30:26] Voice 16: other reports therefore should be costing the applicant more in terms of

[3:30:32] Voice 16: providing those professional reports unless of course the LTC wishes to and

[3:30:36] Voice 16: then then the LTC has that purview but staff shouldn't yeah

[3:30:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're absolutely

[3:30:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): right and I'm glad that we're applying that lens I I think that I just feel

[3:30:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): obligated to say that this although certainly this is advanced a long way

[3:30:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): And as Stefan has said, this is a significant step, which is what I said at the beginning.

[3:31:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is a big door to open up because we're going to go now out to the public through public hearing

[3:31:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): process and ask everybody in the community what they think about the proposed rezoning.

[3:31:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there may be a few surprises. There may be a lot of, there may also be an incredible amount

[3:31:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): of joy and support, but there always tends to be some surprises and we have to consider all of

[3:31:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): those aspects. And if there's an ability to, I think that what Stephana said, is that indeed

[3:31:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): the things that you want to do absolutely need a rezoning. It's too much for a temporary use permit.

[3:31:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): However, if you want to reduce the amount of things that you're asking for, I would suspect

[3:31:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): possibly it might fit into a temporary use permit, which would give you the ability to determine

[3:31:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): whether or not it was an appropriate thing for you to be doing to spend significantly more money

[3:31:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): associated with rezoning the temporary use permit has less of a public component in it there's less

[3:32:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): risk to it but certainly at the end of the day it's a decision as a local trust committee there's

[3:32:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think my intention and i think probably trustee patrick's intention is just to be sure that you're

[3:32:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): certain that this is the road that you want to go down um because with the rezoning depending upon

[3:32:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): upon what we hear from the community there are no guarantees certainly you

[3:32:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): need to meet all the guidelines and and and and garner support from the broad

[3:32:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): community and that's the work that we've done already with getting this far and

[3:32:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm sure that you'll be doing more of that so let us proceed with a motion if

[3:32:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustees would like to advance this

[3:32:43] Voice 10: I'm I'm happy to do so if that's okay I

[3:32:47] Voice 10: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to draft amendments to the Salt Spring Island land use bylaw number 355 to permit the following additional uses, colon, A, indoor retail sales, B, indoor production of food and drink items, clothing, crafts, artwork, jewelry, and similar items for retail or wholesale sales, provided there is a retail outlet on the premises, and provided water consumption does not exceed 1,600 liters a day.

[3:33:16] Voice 10: C, one restaurant not to exceed the size of the current restaurant.

[3:33:23] Voice 10: D, up to two commercial accommodation units in cabins not exceeding 25 square meters each.

[3:33:31] Voice 10: E, requires a vegetation screen to be maintained within the buffer area along any property line

[3:33:36] Voice 10: that abuts property not zoned for commercial use. All

[3:33:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): right, so that's a motion moved. And do I

[3:33:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[3:33:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Patrick seconding.

[3:33:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Does anybody wish to speak to the motion?

[3:33:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Patrick.

[3:33:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[3:33:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): just wanted to explore this restaurant conversation

[3:33:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): a little bit more.

[3:33:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know as this was going,

[3:33:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): as we were just considering it whenever it was

[3:34:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): about the carrying on while it went through

[3:34:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): the application process,

[3:34:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): that people were doing research from all over jurisdictions

[3:34:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): and finding that there were different terms than restaurants to explain the different styles of, you know, from the bakery, the cafes to so forth, and that our bylaws only have a, you know, a restaurant, which is such a broad term.

[3:34:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there any interest in exploring the appropriate terms, rather than just referring to it as a restaurant?

[3:34:44] Voice 10: sorry we don't have an option do we well

[3:34:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's ask staff about that and maybe that can come to

[3:34:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): us in advice as they develop the draft amendments

[3:34:54] Planner Mayes (probable): absolutely um i can definitely make note of this

[3:34:57] Planner Mayes (probable): and um include that in my next staff report perfect thank

[3:35:02] Planner Mayes (probable): you and stephan stephan's got

[3:35:03] Planner Mayes (probable): a comment too

[3:35:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): oh stephan where are you i don't see you on the screen i am here

[3:35:12] Voice 16: Mayor Mrakas, Staff would appreciate that as a resolution, just to just to make sure we carry that forth because you had such prescription resolution that you've just seconded.

[3:35:22] Voice 16: Mayor Mrakas, You know if you're going to do that, obviously, I think you should finish your your resolution that you've just started, but do another one, and I think it would be along the option of direct staff to explore.

[3:35:33] Voice 16: Mayor Mrakas, Alter whatever it is trustee patrick's trying to get at that the alternative definitions.

[3:35:40] Voice 16: for uh cafes and bakeries that we all love on salt spring island i can think of a handful of

[3:35:48] Voice 16: them as i'm sure we all can and uh you're right that the zoning misses the boat on some of the

[3:35:53] Voice 16: best things on salt spring island and it'd be might be a way to use this application as a way

[3:35:58] Voice 16: to look at the bigger picture and in effect use current planning to address a long-range planning

[3:36:04] Voice 16: issue which is or the policy issue so um yeah and then i won't feel so bad about going down

[3:36:09] Voice 16: beaver point road to my favorite cafe which i won't talk about yeah

[3:36:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): well uh thank you stefan

[3:36:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): for those words of wisdom and uh certainly uh i think uh a further motion might be um appropriate

[3:36:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): as indicated so um with respect to the motion that we have on the floor moved and seconded is there

[3:36:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): any further discussion on the motion on the floor so i'm going to call for the vote then all those

[3:36:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor, any opposed, none opposed, that carries.

[3:36:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So a second motion that is presented to us

[3:36:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and potentially a third motion if you like.

[3:36:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): So who would like to proceed?

[3:36:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): Or I could make the second motion

[3:36:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:36:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): direct staff to draft amendments

[3:36:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the Salt Spring Island Official Community Plan

[3:36:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): number 434 to amend the land use designation

[3:37:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): development permit area boundaries

[3:37:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): and other policies to support the land use bylaw amendments.

[3:37:07] Voice 10: I second that moved

[3:37:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seconded any discussion on the motion I'll call for the vote all those

[3:37:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): in favor any opposed none opposed all right is there any other motions or discussion with respect

[3:37:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): to this report trustee Patrick well

[3:37:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): before I make the motion I thought I'd try to try to figure out

[3:37:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): the wording of it a bit before I make it so that we would be directing staff to report back on

[3:37:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): on other definitions of how, what would we group them

[3:37:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): as other alternative definitions to restaurants

[3:37:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): to describe or just call it that alternative definitions

[3:37:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): to restaurants for, is that sufficient

[3:37:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): or do you need more instruction?

[3:38:02] Planner Mayes (probable): I think that might capture it, Stefan.

[3:38:04] Planner Mayes (probable): That sounds sufficient.

[3:38:05] Planner Mayes (probable): I think we

[3:38:05] Voice 16: understand the intent of it, Trustee Patrick.

[3:38:09] Voice 16: I'll just share with you what I'm hearing.

[3:38:11] Voice 16: So when I'm working with Planner Mays, I'm clear.

[3:38:14] Voice 16: When you talk about alternate definitions, it's sort of more specifically in terms of, sorry, the home-based business, restaurant, cafes, bakeries, that type of thing.

[3:38:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, so kind of a full range or to capture a greater range of businesses, maybe, to say that.

[3:38:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): alternative press um yeah yeah

[3:38:37] Voice 16: or to describe

[3:38:39] Voice 16: staff under staff understand the idea so maybe

[3:38:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): i can just say describe a greater range of island businesses or you don't need

[3:38:53] Voice 8: that okay i'll leave

[3:38:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): it well let's let's see what sarah has for us she is amazing sometimes she is

[3:39:08] Planner Mayes (probable): hold on i'll stop my share did

[3:39:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): you capture that uh or do you need me to let's

[3:39:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): see what sarah has

[3:39:21] Voice 17: would you like me to read what i have or i could share my screen would you like me to read what i

[3:39:32] Voice 17: have or share my screen whichever

[3:39:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): is more comfortable for you

[3:39:36] Voice 17: okay uh that the salt

[3:39:39] Voice 17: spring island local trust committee direct staff to report back regarding alternative definitions

[3:39:44] Voice 17: for restaurants to include cafes and bakeries to

[3:39:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): include for example maybe

[3:39:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): for

[3:39:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): example yeah

[3:39:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): so that doesn't limit us all

[3:40:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): right so we set aside with that

[3:40:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust I will

[3:40:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): move that motion and

[3:40:05] Voice 10: I'll second it any

[3:40:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): further discussion and I

[3:40:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): think staff are satisfied that suitable direction so all those in favor and he

[3:40:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): opposed none opposed that carries unanimously okay very good so does that conclude this uh rezoning

[3:40:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): application today uh thank the applicant for joining us and helping us to understand your

[3:40:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh needs and i wish you uh success in your uh endeavors thank you thank you so much everybody

[3:40:39] Voice 22: all

[3:40:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): right so let's now go to salt spring development permit

[3:40:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Permit 2020.12 and Salt Spring Development Permit 2020.13. Simpson and Simpson at 188 Scott Point Drive, Salt Spring Island. And who's going to take us on this one? Is it you, Flannery Mays?

[3:41:04] Planner Mayes (probable): Sure is.

[3:41:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you.

[3:41:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): And the applicant is in the room, I think.

[3:41:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): I believe I've

[3:41:11] Planner Mayes (probable): seen her, yeah.

[3:41:12] Planner Mayes (probable): Yeah. Right. So the purpose of this application, it was first considered and deferred by the local

[3:41:20] Planner Mayes (probable): trust committee at their December 15, 2020 meeting, where the following resolution was

[3:41:24] Planner Mayes (probable): passed, and that is in front of you. I wanted to note that subsequent to that meeting, the applicant

[3:41:30] Planner Mayes (probable): has updated their application to indicate that they intend to reduce the size of the oversized

[3:41:35] Planner Mayes (probable): size float and remove the rock wall within the interior side lot line. So in total this development

[3:41:43] Planner Mayes (probable): variance permit application is seeking to make lawful the siting of a deck and stair structures

[3:41:48] Planner Mayes (probable): in addition to a single family dwelling to the natural boundary of the seat and to make lawful

[3:41:52] Planner Mayes (probable): the siting between an accessory building and a seasonal cottage slash unlawful dwelling unit.

[3:41:58] Planner Mayes (probable): We'll touch upon that a little later. So the concurrent development permit is seeking to

[3:42:04] Planner Mayes (probable): address the removal of trees with the trunk diameter greater than 20 centimeters and that's

[3:42:08] Planner Mayes (probable): two trees let's see great so some the report text is exploring various issues and opportunities

[3:42:20] Planner Mayes (probable): including archaeological potential and permits the response the correspondence received prior

[3:42:25] Planner Mayes (probable): to the last meeting variances versus bylaw amendments and the structures that are being

[3:42:30] Planner Mayes (probable): proposed to be made lawful. To touch on the resolution that was made by the Local Trust

[3:42:36] Planner Mayes (probable): Committee, staff spoke with the Archaeology Branch in January and they provided some context

[3:42:41] Planner Mayes (probable): on the methodology for determining archaeological potential, including site specific characteristics.

[3:42:48] Planner Mayes (probable): Following that phone call, staff provided a link to the initial staff report and site photos to

[3:42:53] Planner Mayes (probable): the Archaeology Branch for review, who further advised that as the location of the deck and

[3:42:58] Planner Mayes (probable): stairs is sited on a rocky base with thin soil accretion it would be unlikely that an

[3:43:02] Planner Mayes (probable): archaeological site would be sited within the developed area and noted that they did not

[3:43:06] Planner Mayes (probable): identify a need for an archaeological study or provincial heritage permit at this time.

[3:43:12] Planner Mayes (probable): At the direction of the LTC the staff provided a review of the correspondence

[3:43:17] Planner Mayes (probable): and that's regarding the applications and for clarity staff have provided site plans to help

[3:43:24] Planner Mayes (probable): illustrate which buildings and structures on the property require variance to be granted and those

[3:43:29] Planner Mayes (probable): that require a bylaw amendment and that those two diagrams are in front of you. So the green

[3:43:35] Planner Mayes (probable): on your left hand side hopefully is those that are being sought for variances at this current

[3:43:42] Planner Mayes (probable): juncture and those in red have been removed and those in blue on the right hand side are those

[3:43:48] Planner Mayes (probable): that need to be addressed by way of rezoning application and are not being considered in

[3:43:53] Planner Mayes (probable): this application for clarity um so a note to say a compliance plan for the dock structure so that's

[3:44:01] Planner Mayes (probable): the the area that's labeled as pier as well as the float has been submitted to the ministry of

[3:44:07] Planner Mayes (probable): forest lands and natural resource operations and rural development which is in substantial

[3:44:11] Planner Mayes (probable): accordance with the crown lease and should meet relevant islands trust regulations a resolution

[3:44:16] Planner Mayes (probable): of the issue of the unlawful dwelling or oversized seasonal cottage is still pending

[3:44:23] Planner Mayes (probable): Following publication of the staff report, staff have provided, sorry, the applicant has provided documentation that the contrary reading of rock wall has been removed.

[3:44:32] Planner Mayes (probable): Staff have requested a photo that indicates the measurement of the modified structure to lot line, which was provided this morning.

[3:44:39] Planner Mayes (probable): And those photos are in front of you.

[3:44:44] Planner Mayes (probable): As such, staff are recommending conditional issuance of an amended DBP in accordance with the OCP policies and objectives, and a conditional issuance of an amended DP as the development meets the development permit Area 3 guidelines.

[3:44:58] Planner Mayes (probable): Both issuances are recommended to be conditional upon the applicant, providing evidence of a reduction of the float area, 1035 square meters, and removal of the rock wall, which is encroaching on the interior side lot line setback.

[3:45:10] Planner Mayes (probable): and there is a note to say that there is an exception. Staff are recommending that

[3:45:19] Planner Mayes (probable): the proposed siting between the seasonal cottage and the garage are not included in the variance

[3:45:23] Planner Mayes (probable): as they could potentially be at variance with regulations 314.3 and 314.5 as the garage would

[3:45:32] Planner Mayes (probable): most likely function as part of the seasonal cottage which may in turn be ultra viaries and

[3:45:37] Planner Mayes (probable): And so the recommendation is in front of you.

[3:45:39] Planner Mayes (probable): I have just crossed out the section

[3:45:42] Planner Mayes (probable): about the removal of the rock wall

[3:45:44] Planner Mayes (probable): if the local trust committee wishes to remove that,

[3:45:47] Planner Mayes (probable): but that will be for your consideration.

[3:45:50] Planner Mayes (probable): I'm happy to take any questions.

[3:45:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, very good.

[3:45:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Planner Mayes.

[3:45:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'll just ask the applicant

[3:45:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): if they have any further advice or concurrence

[3:46:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the recommendations, and then we'll go to trustees.

[3:46:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not sure, oh, right there, Donna Simpson, applicant.

[3:46:15] Voice 23: I'm Neil Carfer, I'm the lawyer for the applicants and I'd like to make a few comments.

[3:46:20] Voice 23: Oh sure. Thank you very much. Just a couple things. What my client's goal is to have an

[3:46:29] Voice 23: unconditional approval of the two matters before you, the DP and the DVP, which is the alternative

[3:46:38] Voice 23: alternative to set out in Ms. May's staff report.

[3:46:42] Voice 23: As Ms. May has pointed out this morning

[3:46:46] Voice 23: or this afternoon now,

[3:46:48] Voice 23: the rock wall setback has been taken care of.

[3:46:52] Voice 23: That's been done.

[3:46:53] Voice 23: I can tell you my clients have under contract,

[3:46:56] Voice 23: a contractor wall marine, WAHL marine of Salt Spring

[3:47:00] Voice 23: to reduce the size of both the wharf or the dock

[3:47:07] Voice 23: and the float. To put some of this in context, the float itself, it's only 2.8 square metres

[3:47:16] Voice 23: too big, so it's just barely oversized. But they're going to reduce it and they're also

[3:47:23] Voice 23: going to reduce the width of the pier to bring it into conformity. And all of this is to

[3:47:30] Voice 23: say my clients are doing everything they possibly can to seek conformity now this is a couple who

[3:47:39] Voice 23: bought this property in 2019 with these things already built on them they had done some due

[3:47:48] Voice 23: diligence to determine that things these things were everything there was lawful but it turns out

[3:47:54] Voice 23: according to what islands trust staff have told them that there are many problems with the

[3:48:00] Voice 23: property so and staff have been very good about taking my clients through the various steps to

[3:48:08] Voice 23: bring the property into conformity these two applications before you today are part of that

[3:48:15] Voice 23: process they're looking forward to being able to get a building permit to complete some works

[3:48:21] Voice 23: works on the dwelling on the property. So my submission for you in terms of why we submit

[3:48:32] Voice 23: that alternative two is the appropriate one is, A, as we've said, the rock wall has already

[3:48:38] Voice 23: been removed. Two, we have under contract this company to do the work. The company,

[3:48:45] Voice 23: And I tell you, it's a ferociously expensive amount of work to be done to regularize these two wharf structures in the tens of thousands of dollars.

[3:48:59] Voice 23: But my clients are committed to doing it.

[3:49:01] Voice 23: The thing is, the work can't be done for quite some time.

[3:49:05] Voice 23: So they have from the contractor advice that the work will be done as soon as possible, but that's unlikely to be until at least May.

[3:49:15] Voice 23: We understand the issue is largely to do with weather

[3:49:20] Voice 23: and perhaps other matters in the queue of jobs that that company has.

[3:49:26] Voice 23: So if they get conditional approvals today,

[3:49:34] Voice 23: then we're concerned that the building permit process will be held up as well.

[3:49:39] Voice 23: And this dwelling is essentially uninhabitable right now

[3:49:44] Voice 23: as it's been largely, it's a construction site so it can't be used. So we would like the

[3:49:56] Voice 23: unconditional approval. I'd be happy to take any questions on behalf of my clients. My clients are

[3:50:05] Voice 23: also auditing this too and may conceivably jump in but you know our submission is, they're doing

[3:50:14] Voice 23: doing everything they they've been asked to do they in terms of showing their commitment

[3:50:20] Voice 23: to it as I say the rock wall is gone and a contract has been let for the work and those

[3:50:27] Voice 23: are my submissions thank

[3:50:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): you sir I'll just go to trustees to ask if you have any questions

[3:50:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): of staff or the applicant here and we certainly heard that he is recommending the alternative

[3:50:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): alternative option, which would be for your consideration. So, trustees, Laura Patrick.

[3:50:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): The recommendation is the appendix number two, but I think what he's asking for is that it not

[3:50:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): say conditional upon confirmation. So, I guess I'm looking to staff to say for advice on that

[3:51:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): request of removing that.

[3:51:15] Planner Mayes (probable): Yeah, it's certainly at the consideration of the LTC.

[3:51:20] Planner Mayes (probable): staff's recommendation was was for that and and as Neil has noted without that

[3:51:27] Planner Mayes (probable): DVP the building permit the concurrent building permit cannot be processed so

[3:51:32] Planner Mayes (probable): it is it is at the LTC's discretion which way they wish to go

[3:51:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee Grove

[3:51:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I have a question as well so trustee Grove over to you yes

[3:51:46] Voice 10: I'm I must say I

[3:51:47] Voice 10: I feel for the applicant, I believe that they did everything that they felt they needed to do,

[3:51:53] Voice 10: and they bought this property to follow the rules. But I think they were given poor professional

[3:51:58] Voice 10: advice, actually. So this has come as a surprise, and it's a costly one. A minor question, though,

[3:52:04] Voice 10: what is the current size of the float? I couldn't quite find it.

[3:52:11] Planner Mayes (probable): Sure, it's 37.8 meters squared.

[3:52:14] Planner Mayes (probable): And

[3:52:16] Voice 10: interestingly, the letter we reviewed earlier today is requesting that that limit the 36 square meters.

[3:52:28] Voice 10: So they're pretty close.

[3:52:30] Voice 10: I mean, I hate to have this applicant incur unnecessary expenses.

[3:52:37] Voice 10: And I see Laura shaking her head.

[3:52:40] Voice 10: but it's a it's a anyhow i just at what point um do we say you know it's not worth going there

[3:52:49] Voice 10: um so um anyhow i'll i'll keep keep thinking about this thank you go ahead very

[3:52:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): good thank you peter

[3:53:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): um yeah so my two comments are um you know the regulations are what they are presently and

[3:53:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): And whether we excuse one square meter, two square meters, or ten square meters really begs the question.

[3:53:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it is an unfortunate circumstance that I'm certainly sympathetic with the applicant and would like them to be able to move to a building permit sooner than later.

[3:53:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Totally understand that.

[3:53:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): but my question is that in situations where for example we're asking for landscaping which

[3:53:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): in some respects replacing trees is kind of a landscaping thing we often ask for

[3:53:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): a retaining fee that is refunded when the work is complete and then that removes the conditional

[3:53:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): piece of those sorts of things because we don't normally do that in rezonings for instance this

[3:53:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): isn't a rezoning so i'm wondering whether or not there's an ability for us to have some kind of

[3:54:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainty that the the conditional aspects of this will definitely be met and certainly i appreciate

[3:54:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): that contracts have been awarded and all that sort of stuff but unfortunately the road to uh

[3:54:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): to conclusion of projects is fraught with past problems and so we want to ensure

[3:54:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): sure that we're not setting any of us up for a failure situation. So to staff, is there an

[3:54:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): ability for us to provide some certainty other than the conditions on the issuance of the permit?

[3:54:38] Planner Mayes (probable): Yeah, and maybe I'll see if Stefan's got any thoughts. Certainly, this is still an active

[3:54:44] Planner Mayes (probable): bylaw enforcement file. With the emails that I received from the applicant this morning,

[3:54:49] Planner Mayes (probable): I've carbon-copied them as well, and that file, I would presume, would not be closed until that work was completed.

[3:55:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sure, but we've been down the bylaw enforcement road too, so does Stefan have anything more reassuring?

[3:55:10] Voice 16: Not at this time. The landscaping security, I mean, we're talking about two trees being replaced.

[3:55:16] Voice 16: That's not a significant cost we're taking a security for, in staff's opinion.

[3:55:20] Voice 16: The rest of the work, the applicant has been, really has caught themselves in an awkward situation, and I agree with the applicant that they've bent over backwards to try to meet the Islands Trust's regulations and what have you.

[3:55:34] Voice 16: So I think, in the end, you're being asked to approve a DVP and DP, and the point about not being able to get a building permit is a very valid one, that the applicant would not be able to proceed until these conditions are met.

[3:55:46] Voice 16: and so the LTC should really consider that input I don't believe that formed

[3:55:51] Voice 16: part of staff's opinion in the staff report at least I'm not recalling that

[3:55:55] Voice 16: at this moment so you know I really I think boils down to a question of faith

[3:56:01] Voice 16: is the applicant going to do what they promised to do and I and and at this

[3:56:05] Voice 16: point they they've been more than forthcoming and helpful and and what

[3:56:08] Voice 16: have you so that's just staff's experience working with them so okay

[3:56:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Thank you, Stefan. That gives me confidence. So thank you. Trustee Patrick?

[3:56:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I can understand then that the bylaw file will remain open until proof of the work being done.

[3:56:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): I did, I guess we're right now talking about the DVP, but I do have a suggestion for the development permit wording, which is Appendix 3.

[3:56:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. If there's no further questions, let's go there then.

[3:56:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): and um see what we want to do

[3:56:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah oops sorry now that i'm not on that page i'll go back uh so on

[3:56:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): page 217 it just makes reference to uh to the replacement of native trees i i always find those

[3:56:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): kind of vague i'd be not if it's to me it's sort of the replacement maintenance or or the planting

[3:57:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): and maintenance of the tree um you know because someone can just replace a tree and it dies

[3:57:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): next week um so it's some effort to keep it alive so i don't know if we could append 3.2 to

[3:57:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): to their replacement and maintenance with or wording that would be sufficient there

[3:57:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh

[3:57:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff over to you yes

[3:57:31] Planner Mayes (probable): certainly um so you can uh amend it to to add that word

[3:57:35] Planner Mayes (probable): under 3.2.1?

[3:57:42] Planner Mayes (probable): 3.2.1?

[3:57:45] Planner Mayes (probable): 3.2

[3:57:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): .1, I think you meant.

[3:57:47] Planner Mayes (probable): Oh, sorry, 3.2.1.

[3:57:51] Planner Mayes (probable): So retained or replaced and maintained, perhaps.

[3:57:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, 3.2 actually.

[3:57:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): But anyways, there we go.

[3:57:59] Planner Mayes (probable): Sorry.

[3:58:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, it is 3.2.1.

[3:58:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so then that would be a motion to amend.

[3:58:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm happy to make that motion.

[3:58:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): motion then I I move that uh 3.2

[3:58:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think it is yes

[3:58:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm I know it's 3.2.1 she is correct um I uh I

[3:58:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): move to amend uh development permit 2020.12 I'm sure Sarah would add other language that uh 3.2.1

[3:58:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): one to read or to add replaced and maintained.

[3:58:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it would be, yeah.

[3:58:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't know if you want me to read the whole statement.

[3:58:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's a native vegetation and trees are to be retained

[3:58:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): or replaced and maintained to control erosion,

[3:58:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): protect banks and protect fish and wildlife habitat.

[3:59:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that correct?

[3:59:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): sure

[3:59:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): um we'll let sarah get caught up with us and just read that back so that we have certainty that

[3:59:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's what we're intending hi

[3:59:25] Voice 17: chair luckham i can read that back thank

[3:59:28] Voice 12: you okay

[3:59:30] Voice 17: um that the

[3:59:32] Voice 17: salt spring island local trust committee amend ssdvp 2020.13 to replace 3.21

[3:59:44] Voice 17: 1 native vegetation and trees are to be retained or replaced to control erosion protect banks and

[3:59:51] Voice 17: protect fish and wildlife habitat with 3.2.1 native vegetation and trees are to be replaced and

[3:59:59] Voice 17: and maintained.

[4:00:00] Voice 17: control erosion protect banks and protect what fish and wildlife habitat sorry

[4:00:07] Planner Mayes (probable): just a note to

[4:00:08] Planner Mayes (probable): say that that should reference the dp so ssdp 2020.12 okay

[4:00:13] Voice 17: thank you and

[4:00:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): i still think it's

[4:00:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): retained is retained so it's retained or replaced and maintained as it shows in there

[4:00:26] Voice 17: so native vegetation and trees are to be retained

[4:00:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): or replaced and maintained

[4:00:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): because it's or replanted and maintained would we that would that be a better word than replaced

[4:00:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): replanted perhaps it's replanted and maintained instead of replaced oh i see stefan's hands going

[4:00:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): up

[4:00:53] Voice 16: sorry i just want to advise you i just spoke to trustee uh grove and he's going to shut down

[4:00:58] Voice 16: and reboot because he lost his video and his computer is dead. So you're on your own for

[4:01:03] Voice 16: a few moments. Okay

[4:01:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're still playing with words here. Replanted and maintained.

[4:01:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): So

[4:01:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's retained or replanted and maintained.

[4:01:16] Voice 17: Okay I could read that back then. That it will be replaced with 3.2.1. Native vegetation and trees

[4:01:26] Voice 17: are to be retained or replanted and maintained to control erosion protect banks and protect fish

[4:01:33] Voice 17: and wildlife habitat yes

[4:01:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): awesome thank you so i'm going to take peter to come back but i'm inclined

[4:01:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): that if you're moving that motion looks

[4:01:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): like he's trying to come back up

[4:02:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): peter grove looks like

[4:02:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): you've got a signal you have to unmute well i can

[4:02:43] Voice 11: also suggest sending

[4:02:44] Voice 7: him an email just a phone in

[4:02:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): um sure um that'd be great i i think i'm going to uh suggest laura that if you're all right that

[4:02:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): i don't think this is a difficulty for peter um and so i think i'll just second the motion and

[4:03:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'll just ask any further contribution

[4:03:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'll call the vote.

[4:03:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have some time.

[4:03:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sure.

[4:03:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Stefan, have I lost Laura now as well?

[4:03:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, I'm here.

[4:03:21] Voice 16: Nope.

[4:03:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[4:03:22] Voice 16: Sorry, Chair Luckom, I just had the phone

[4:03:24] Voice 16: with Trustee Grove.

[4:03:26] Voice 16: He asked that you hold off the vote.

[4:03:28] Voice 16: He was telling me a whole bunch of different things

[4:03:30] Voice 16: all at once.

[4:03:31] Voice 16: He's asking you to hold off on voting.

[4:03:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[4:03:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Chair Luckom.

[4:03:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes, Trustee Patrick.

[4:03:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): If

[4:03:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): we could take a brief moment, I have some extremely good news. There was a press release that came out only just moments ago that I was going to ask to announce afterwards, but if we could take this moment.

[4:03:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[4:03:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Upon success, the island's coastal economic trust has been expanded to include Salt Spring and the Southern Gulf Islands.

[4:04:03] Voice 11: Yay!

[4:04:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so that

[4:04:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): just happened in the legislature today?

[4:04:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): today?

[4:04:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, the press release is today. So extremely good news and a lot of hard work

[4:04:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): of Salt Springers to bring this about and make this fund available to Salt Spring and

[4:04:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): the Southern Gulf Islands.

[4:04:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, indeed. And people think that the advocacy

[4:04:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): that the Islanders Trust does doesn't reap many rewards. And this has certainly been

[4:04:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): a topic of advocacy and that's a reward.

[4:04:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's good. Well done, Salt Spring Island. And does that also apply to Bowen? Were they

[4:04:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): included in that press release?

[4:04:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'd have to read that again. I know Salt Spring and the

[4:04:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): Southern Gulf Islands for certain.

[4:04:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, because Bowen also wanted to be included in that.

[4:04:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): There we go. Well, hopefully that works out. So Peter Grove. Salt Spring to Peter Grove.

[4:05:08] I

[4:05:12] Planner Mayes (probable): have forwarded the phone number to Peter all

[4:05:15] Voice 5: right all

[4:05:20] Voice 11: right I think we

[4:05:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): should make a motion Laura that Peter has to conduct LTC meetings from the

[4:05:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Salt Spring Island office what do you think okay

[4:05:49] Voice 16: hold on hello chair Luckum

[4:05:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes sir I have

[4:05:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter on the phone

[4:05:55] Voice 16: I can prove it oh you can't see my screen

[4:05:58] Voice 16: sorry the um he says he votes

[4:06:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): if you hung up

[4:06:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): he could phone in yeah

[4:06:03] Voice 16: and yeah trustee uh trustee

[4:06:05] Voice 16: is

[4:06:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): he gonna phone in he

[4:06:26] Voice 16: just saw the number now he shall be calling

[4:06:31] Voice 16: and

[4:06:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): he put a sticky note on the top of his computer screen

[4:07:40] Voice 17: hi chair luckum uh while we while we wait should i share my screen so that when trustee grove

[4:07:48] Voice 17: returns he will be able to see the motion what

[4:07:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): a terrific idea okay

[4:07:53] Voice 17: and

[4:07:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): i see peter grove has a

[4:07:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): screen there now are you with us peter no although peter won't be able to see the screen because he's

[4:08:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): on a phone well everybody this is the uh flaws of depending upon technology as it happens

[4:08:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly look forward to having in-person meetings back on salt spring again there is a

[4:08:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): phone number that just popped up in the attendees and shayla i don't know if that's uh yeah i see

[4:08:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): five three seven seven

[4:08:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): one ones ah peter hello hello

[4:08:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for joining me

[4:08:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm all

[4:08:58] Voice 10: very stressful anyway i'm sorry about that um heavens and knows what's going on

[4:09:08] Voice 5: well hello can you hear us i

[4:09:12] Voice 10: can and i will vote in favor of that last motion

[4:09:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you know what it is?

[4:09:18] Voice 10: Yes.

[4:09:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[4:09:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So then while you were away, Laura had some good news to report.

[4:09:27] Voice 10: Yes, I could hear all of you guys.

[4:09:31] Voice 10: I think that's excellent news.

[4:09:32] Voice 10: Very happy about it.

[4:09:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so you're up to date.

[4:09:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): I am.

[4:09:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): If that's moved and seconded, then I'm going to call for the vote on the motion that's on our screen,

[4:09:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah which is an amendment to the um the um the language in the permit and so all those in favor

[4:09:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and on

[4:09:51] Voice 11: the yeah aye

[4:09:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): aye or nay aye excellent all right so now uh that's an amended um

[4:09:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit um what do you want to do with regards to the motion that was the motions recommended

[4:10:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then there's an option two motions.

[4:10:09] Voice 10: May I speak?

[4:10:12] Voice 10: Hello?

[4:10:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, do you want to make the motion?

[4:10:15] Voice 10: No, I want to ask a question.

[4:10:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[4:10:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you.

[4:10:21] Voice 10: I mean, I am happy with the recommendation.

[4:10:23] Voice 10: I understand the delay.

[4:10:25] Voice 10: Is there no way of posting some kind of a bond to ensure that this work gets done?

[4:10:31] Voice 10: I realize we don't have a quote as to what it would cost, but I would suggest a $10,000 bond, which would allow everybody to move ahead.

[4:10:43] Voice 10: I

[4:10:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): think that staff answered that question in a roundabout way, I suppose, that that was not necessarily necessary in this case.

[4:10:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I'll ask staff or Trustee Patrick, you've got your hand up.

[4:11:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): um

[4:11:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): i i'm i'm thinking with this applicant that uh it's probably sufficient by law enforcement

[4:11:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): file remain open that that it would be i would assume that that might be motivation

[4:11:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): to have that closed when by removing some okay

[4:11:19] Voice 10: i'm i mean i can live with that i was trying to

[4:11:22] Voice 10: come up with a compromise yeah

[4:11:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): no uh thank you peter and i agree with that laura patrick so

[4:11:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Laura, do you want to try and make a motion?

[4:11:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sure, I'll move the,

[4:11:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is the development variance permit

[4:11:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was not amended.

[4:11:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:11:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): approve issuance of SSDBP 2020.13

[4:11:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): as shown in appendix two of the staff report

[4:11:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): dated January 25, 2021, period.

[4:11:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): Moved.

[4:11:53] Voice 10: And there's a second part to that.

[4:11:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's what they're asking be removed okay

[4:11:59] Voice 10: um i'll second that so

[4:12:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): any further discussion

[4:12:07] Voice 10: not for me

[4:12:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): all those in favor aye

[4:12:09] Voice 10: so

[4:12:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's all in favor none opposed that carries thank you

[4:12:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): um trustee patrick can i ask you to do that again i don't know

[4:12:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): the next motion is

[4:12:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): i move that the salt spring island local trust committee approve issuance of

[4:12:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): of SSDP 2020.12 as amended and as shown

[4:12:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): as in appendix number three of the second up

[4:12:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): dated January 25th, 2021.

[4:12:38] Voice 10: Seconded.

[4:12:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): Now, I'm sorry.

[4:12:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, I guess we didn't really discuss this one.

[4:12:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): So this is again, this is a subject to the replacement

[4:12:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the removed trees,

[4:12:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): trees but then there's the conditional so is the does that remain in the motion the subject to

[4:12:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): replacement of the road trees or just the can I'm just uh looking to staff for advice on the wording

[4:13:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): of that motion you

[4:13:08] Planner Mayes (probable): could do either or so the DVP is what's conditional upon um the the building

[4:13:14] Planner Mayes (probable): permit moving forward because the DVP includes the the house and

[4:13:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): that says that it's a minor

[4:13:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): requirement i think you

[4:13:28] Planner Mayes (probable): can leave it without or with it it's the ltc's discretion okay right now

[4:13:32] Voice 8: it's

[4:13:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): without how do you feel peter i'm fine without it

[4:13:36] Voice 10: i'm i'm fine with it

[4:13:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay then that's

[4:13:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): my motion i'll

[4:13:43] Voice 10: second that moved

[4:13:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seconded any further discussion no all those in favor

[4:13:50] Voice 3: aye all

[4:13:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): those so that's all in favor and that carries yes so good very

[4:13:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): good thank you thank you

[4:13:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank

[4:13:59] Voice 23: you very much well

[4:14:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for coming today and um uh good luck with that project

[4:14:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you i'm going to go to the next item now which is going to be salt spring development

[4:14:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Development Variance Permit 2020.14.

[4:14:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is Campbell at 111 Metteneck Drive,

[4:14:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Salt Spring Island Development Variance Permit

[4:14:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and Planner Mays, you get to be the lucky planner today.

[4:14:32] Planner Mayes (probable): Don't worry, this

[4:14:33] Planner Mayes (probable): is my last one.

[4:14:35] Planner Mayes (probable): All right, so the purpose of this application

[4:14:40] Planner Mayes (probable): is seeking to vary the Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law

[4:14:43] Planner Mayes (probable): to permit a six-room addition to an existing two-car garage

[4:14:48] Planner Mayes (probable): joined to a dwelling unit by an unenclosed space.

[4:14:52] Planner Mayes (probable): So in front of you, you can see the zoning map as well as the ortho photo.

[4:14:59] Planner Mayes (probable): And the following is the site plan.

[4:15:02] Planner Mayes (probable): For your clarity, I've pulled out the section that's being considered in this application.

[4:15:09] Planner Mayes (probable): So a little bit of background.

[4:15:10] Planner Mayes (probable): The subject property is located on southeast Salt Spring Island.

[4:15:14] Planner Mayes (probable): It measures 1.12 hectares or 2.78 acres, and it's zoned rural variant 0 and shoreline 6 along the foreshore.

[4:15:23] Planner Mayes (probable): Since 2017, the subject property has undergone a rezoning from commercial accommodation 2 to a rural variant and a concurrent subdivision application, which altered the lot boundaries from 3 to 2.

[4:15:36] Planner Mayes (probable): Following the successful conclusion of the rezoning and subdivision applications, the applicant has submitted a building permit review, which proposed to extend the existing garage.

[4:15:43] Planner Mayes (probable): However, during the subdivision, staff noted that the proposed garage expansion would contravene subsection 311.4.

[4:15:51] Planner Mayes (probable): The applicant was advised that the proposed development could be amended to meet the land use bylaw regulations if the existing carport were enclosed, creating a contiguous space.

[4:16:00] Planner Mayes (probable): As the applicant wishes to retain the existing layout with the unenclosed space separating the garage and the proposed addition from the single family dwelling, a variance is being sought for the above noted regulation.

[4:16:10] Planner Mayes (probable): So here are some photos to provide you some context. That's the dwelling and the unenclosed space and then the carport where it plans to be expanded, as well as a farm building that's currently under construction on the subject property.

[4:16:27] Planner Mayes (probable): The below shows, if you can see the rebar on those photos, where the proposed garage will be.

[4:16:35] Planner Mayes (probable): as well as this is the location of the proposed garage beside the natural boundary of the sea.

[4:16:44] Planner Mayes (probable): Some key issues.

[4:16:46] Planner Mayes (probable): So this report explores various issues and opportunities, including archaeological sites and potential,

[4:16:50] Planner Mayes (probable): lot coverage and development potential and setbacks to the natural boundary of the sea.

[4:16:54] Planner Mayes (probable): During the processing of this application, the applicant provided an amended geotechnical report

[4:16:59] Planner Mayes (probable): in accordance with subsection 4.4.2 supporting a relaxation of the setback to the natural boundary

[4:17:05] Planner Mayes (probable): of the sea from 15 meters to 10 meters which was necessary for the portion that you see here.

[4:17:11] Planner Mayes (probable): The proposed garage addition is not located within an archaeological site nor areas of

[4:17:15] Planner Mayes (probable): archaeological potential but is proposed to be sited within 100 meters of each

[4:17:19] Planner Mayes (probable): of both. The subject property and the neighboring property underwent an Archaeological Impact

[4:17:26] Planner Mayes (probable): Impact Assessment, or AIA, at time of rezoning in 2017. And at staff's request, the applicant

[4:17:34] Planner Mayes (probable): reached out to the BC Archaeology Branch to review the information supplied by the applicant

[4:17:39] Planner Mayes (probable): for this proposal, and they advised that further archaeological work was not required as the area

[4:17:45] Planner Mayes (probable): is altered and the proposed foundation is going to be slab on grade. The applicant has sought to

[4:17:52] Planner Mayes (probable): make the principal residential use of the property lawful via concurrent rezoning and subdivision

[4:17:56] Planner Mayes (probable): which is a boundary adjustment of the subject property and this extinguished a density or a lot

[4:18:02] Planner Mayes (probable): and substantially diminished the development potential of the subject neighboring property

[4:18:07] Planner Mayes (probable): staff consider the applicant's proposal to construct the additional garage space and

[4:18:12] Planner Mayes (probable): workup space for personal use in accordance with the intent and the intent of 3114 which is to

[4:18:17] Planner Mayes (probable): prevent the construction of buildings that can easily function as two family dwellings even

[4:18:22] Planner Mayes (probable): though they are not approved as such in terms of consultation a statutory notification of the

[4:18:28] Planner Mayes (probable): proposed variance was mailed out to all owners and tenants in occupation of properties within

[4:18:32] Planner Mayes (probable): 100 meters of the subject property on january 22nd 2021 and no correspondence was received in

[4:18:39] Planner Mayes (probable): response to that staff are recommending issuance of a dv of the dvp as the requests are not

[4:18:46] Planner Mayes (probable): contrary to or variants with the salt spring island official community plan policies and

[4:18:50] Planner Mayes (probable): objectives and the recommendations in front of you very

[4:18:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): good thank you planner mays and um i'll ask

[4:18:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): if the applicant is uh in the room so to speak and has any remarks regarding the uh staff report

[4:19:10] Voice 19: hello am i with you hello

[4:19:12] Voice 5: yeah

[4:19:13] Voice 19: okay gregory campbell here good afternoon um i would like to

[4:19:19] Voice 19: staff for their thorough and timely report. And I would like to say that I concur with

[4:19:26] Voice 19: their recommendation.

[4:19:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Excellent. Thank you very much. So let me go to trustees to see if they

[4:19:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): have any questions for the applicant or staff. Trustees. And maybe I'll go to Peter Grove because

[4:19:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): I can't see you.

[4:19:42] Voice 10: But I'm here for some reason. My camera doesn't work. Anyhow, no, I'm fine with it.

[4:19:47] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:19:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Trustee Patrick.

[4:19:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, I don't have any questions. I think the report was pretty

[4:19:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): self-descriptive.

[4:19:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right. So then somebody want to make that motion?

[4:20:06] Voice 10: I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of development

[4:20:10] Voice 10: variance permit SSDBP 2020.14.

[4:20:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Second. Moved and seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[4:20:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): any further discussion no those in favor all

[4:20:24] Voice 10: right that

[4:20:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): carries unanimously well thank you

[4:20:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): very much and thank you very much to the applicant for joining us good luck with your project um

[4:20:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): so it indicates we're going to have a 10 minute break but we had a five minute break already while

[4:20:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): we were waiting for mystery grove to come back are we happy to continue on uh

[4:20:46] Voice 10: yes i am all right then

[4:20:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let us go then to Salt Spring Development Permit 2020.15 Fortson 240 Old Scott Road

[4:20:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Development Variance Permit Request for structures within a setback.

[4:21:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let me just skip down to that.

[4:21:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Planner Gordon is taking the lead on this one and thank you for your work.

[4:21:25] Voice 5: I

[4:21:26] Voice 1: believe I believe they were there yes

[4:21:29] Voice 5: they are yep they are okay so over to you sir

[4:21:33] Voice 5: thank

[4:21:34] Voice 1: you chair just confirming that everyone can hear me and see the presentation on the screen

[4:21:38] Voice 1: there indeed

[4:21:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): we can yes

[4:21:41] Voice 1: um okay um yeah so the uh staff report it's fairly self-explanatory but

[4:21:47] Voice 1: I'll walk you through it um quickly essentially this is a development variance permit that's

[4:21:51] Voice 1: seeking to retroactively permit a retaining wall and by association an accessory structure that's

[4:21:59] Voice 1: located within the interior side lot line of the subject property. The retaining wall in question

[4:22:06] Voice 1: was approved by CRD building permit 2017, was not reviewed by Islands Trust and therefore not

[4:22:13] Voice 1: approved for siting. The retaining wall extended into the side lot line setback. At the time the

[4:22:21] Voice 1: The architect, the applicant, sought to remedy the situation and essentially made an argument that if they had used that portion of the retaining wall for the foundation of a permitted accessory structure within the lot line, that Islands Trust would permit it, essentially, which is correct that that size of structure is permitted in the side lot line.

[4:22:42] Voice 1: line. So, based on planning staff advice, the applicant went ahead and built that structure.

[4:22:49] Voice 1: Subsequently, fire enforcement did not accept that rationale or solution to the problem

[4:22:58] Voice 1: and so that's why the variance is before you today, seeking to permit primarily the retaining

[4:23:05] Voice 1: retaining wall intrusion into the – I'm sorry, I should have been wrong here. This

[4:23:11] Voice 1: is the close-up of basically what's happening here. I can explain this diagram more closely,

[4:23:16] Voice 1: but it's fairly self-evident. There's a small structure on top of this retaining wall

[4:23:22] Voice 1: that protrudes into the three-meter sidewalk line. The width of that wall is approximately

[4:23:30] Voice 1: approximately 2.4 meters. So the setback is effectively reduced to 0.6 meters. Staff consider

[4:23:37] Voice 1: it to be a fairly minor relaxation. Haven't received any correspondence from any surrounding

[4:23:43] Voice 1: property owners that have any issue with this. And then also based on previous staff advice

[4:23:51] Voice 1: to the applicant that the LTC approve the variance as proposed, which would allow the

[4:24:00] Voice 1: deciding to remain and not require any alteration

[4:24:03] Voice 1: to the retaining wall.

[4:24:05] Voice 1: I'll leave that there,

[4:24:06] Voice 1: but obviously happy to answer any questions you might have.

[4:24:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Planner Gordon.

[4:24:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Turning to the applicant,

[4:24:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you concur with the report

[4:24:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): or have any further comment?

[4:24:24] Voice 3: Good afternoon, everybody.

[4:24:25] Voice 3: Yes, yes, I concur.

[4:24:28] Voice 3: And if anybody has any questions,

[4:24:30] Voice 3: I would be happy to answer them.

[4:24:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you, Michael, for joining us.

[4:24:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees, Peter or Laura,

[4:24:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura, do you have any questions for the applicant or staff?

[4:24:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[4:24:45] Voice 5: am not hearing any.

[4:24:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, sorry.

[4:24:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): I had

[4:24:47] Voice 5: my hand raised.

[4:24:48] Voice 5: Go ahead.

[4:24:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): Mine's more a comment.

[4:24:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): The trend of these waterfront properties and these retaining walls and structures and the

[4:25:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): changes that are being done to the properties are, you know, it's a trend.

[4:25:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): This isn't just, I'm not just talking to this applicant, but I'm seeing it over and over

[4:25:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): and over again, that it's something that we need to be cognizant of and avoiding the changes

[4:25:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): that are being done to topography and so forth

[4:25:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): on these waterfront lots.

[4:25:22] Voice 5: Agreed, thank you for raising that.

[4:25:27] Voice 5: So with respect to this permit,

[4:25:29] Voice 5: the application before us, is there a motion?

[4:25:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): I guess I suppose I can make this motion.

[4:25:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:25:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): approve issuance of SSDVP 2020.15.

[4:25:49] Voice 5: And I'll second.

[4:25:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[4:25:50] Voice 5: I'll second that.

[4:25:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): did by

[4:25:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Grove. Thank you, Peter. And any further discussion?

[4:25:58] Voice 10: No, thank you.

[4:25:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in

[4:26:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): favor? Aye.

[4:26:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that carries. All right. So thank you for joining us today, and thank you, Planner

[4:26:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gordon, for your work. Thank you.

[4:26:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let us go to the next item, which is Salt Spring Rezoning 2017.3,

[4:26:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): proposed bylaw number 521, that's Kellen and Culligan at 2188 North End Road, Salt Spring

[4:26:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Island. And

[4:26:29] Voice 5: let's get myself to where that is. Oops, there we are. So Planner

[4:26:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gordon, this is

[4:26:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): your file as well. So thank you very much for bringing this very full report to us. And I'll

[4:26:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll let you introduce it and then we'll go to the applicant

[4:26:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): to advise us what they think here

[4:26:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll go to the trustees for questions.

[4:26:58] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair.

[4:27:01] Voice 1: So this is a rezoning that the LTC has considered

[4:27:05] Voice 1: twice before, both times in 2019,

[4:27:08] Voice 1: most recently it was December of 2019.

[4:27:12] Voice 1: It's a rezoning to permit the continued use of a structure

[4:27:16] Voice 1: on the subject property as a dwelling staff have twice on previous occasions it's been

[4:27:24] Voice 1: before the LTC have recommended that the LTC proceed no further the first was as a result of

[4:27:32] Voice 1: the history of bylaw enforcement action on this property which has been summarized in today's

[4:27:37] Voice 1: report so I won't go into that but happy to take questions if you need on those second time was

[4:27:43] Voice 1: was consideration around the administration of housing agreements and whether or not what

[4:27:50] Voice 1: role the LTC wanted to play in maintaining affordable housing agreements with individual

[4:27:54] Voice 1: property owners. And then this time, there's really the question around the information

[4:28:01] Voice 1: that's been provided by the applicant to the applying staff in the LTC in 2019. You can

[4:28:09] Voice 1: see from the resolutions that the LTC requested a 12 hour pump test with the monitoring of

[4:28:17] Voice 1: neighboring well and that was made as a result of OCP policy and specifying what sort of information

[4:28:26] Voice 1: the LTC could or should ask for a time of rezoning as well as provincial pump test guidelines so

[4:28:33] Voice 1: So staff did make that recommendation, the LTC adopted it.

[4:28:38] Voice 1: It's been now about 14 months

[4:28:40] Voice 1: since the LTC made that request.

[4:28:42] Voice 1: The applicant has not provided the test.

[4:28:47] Voice 1: And so given the sort of, I would say the other policy work

[4:28:54] Voice 1: the LTC is attempting to undertake,

[4:28:56] Voice 1: staff question whether or not

[4:28:57] Voice 1: this would be the appropriate time

[4:28:59] Voice 1: to continue with rezoning or to consider other options.

[4:29:02] Voice 1: options, and obviously recognizing the extreme housing, need for housing on this island as

[4:29:11] Voice 1: well as the COVID-19 pandemic, there is the existing standing resolution that would delay

[4:29:19] Voice 1: enforcement until the resolution of, I should say the rescinding or amendment of the motion

[4:29:27] Voice 1: about, or setting a resolution about not enforcing on illegal dwellings. Staff have also crafted

[4:29:36] Voice 1: a resolution in an attempt to not place any undue hardship on the current tenant, but

[4:29:43] Voice 1: sort of advising by-law compliance to sort of work with the existing tenant to some sort

[4:29:49] Voice 1: of resolution to cease the use of the dwelling, the second dwelling on the subject property.

[4:29:58] Voice 1: Um,

[4:30:00] Voice 1: I will leave it there.

[4:30:02] Voice 1: Happy to take any questions about the issues with this rezoning application.

[4:30:09] Voice 1: Question?

[4:30:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes.

[4:30:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, normally we would go to the applicant, ask them to speak.

[4:30:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): But if you want a question immediately, I suppose we could go there.

[4:30:22] Voice 10: Yes, please.

[4:30:22] Voice 10: The resolution that you said staff have drafted just now, the last thing you said,

[4:30:28] Voice 10: Is that the recommendation one, A through E?

[4:30:34] Voice 1: Yes. Pardon me. Yes. So there's two recommendations.

[4:30:38] Voice 1: One is the A through E is to proceed no further for A through E reasons.

[4:30:45] Voice 1: One of which references, point D references the existing SANG resolution during the time of COVID.

[4:30:53] Voice 1: and then recommendation resolution number two is um and i i can read it for you if you'd like

[4:31:00] Voice 1: i got

[4:31:01] Voice 10: it i got it you

[4:31:03] Voice 1: do okay that is that is the second um outside of the existing standard

[4:31:07] Voice 1: resolution sort of specific to this property um that that the bylaw compliance and enforcement

[4:31:13] Voice 1: work with the existing tenant to ensure that you know they're not sort of um unfairly forced out

[4:31:19] Voice 1: of their living situation.

[4:31:21] Voice 10: Thank you, I just wanted to be sure

[4:31:22] Voice 10: I was looking at the right thing.

[4:31:24] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:31:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, so Mr. Kellen, I see you online there.

[4:31:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you wish to speak to the recommendation

[4:31:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the staff report?

[4:31:36] Voice 4: Yes, I do, can you hear me?

[4:31:39] Voice 5: Yes.

[4:31:41] Voice 4: Okay, I want to thank everybody

[4:31:43] Voice 4: for allowing me to attend this LTC meeting and speak,

[4:31:49] Voice 4: and allow me to begin by saying

[4:31:51] Voice 4: this is the second staff report

[4:31:53] Voice 4: where staff is recommending we proceed no further and as this planner indicated it was December of

[4:31:58] Voice 4: 2019 and now February 21 and this being an affordable housing application we do find this

[4:32:03] Voice 4: very strange and this is the second time we filed the staff reports to be somewhat misleading.

[4:32:08] Voice 4: The December 19 staff report failed to include a very important water confirmation from our

[4:32:14] Voice 4: hydrologist and on page 265 of this report and if you look at the top we jump from December 2020

[4:32:21] Voice 4: 2020 to February 21, we're another void of information.

[4:32:25] Voice 4: And if you read between the lines, it appears we're ignoring the application and we are

[4:32:30] Voice 4: not.

[4:32:31] Voice 4: I would like to recap where we are with the water testing, and as Jordi Gordon is the

[4:32:37] Voice 4: planner assigned.

[4:32:38] Voice 4: On April 17, 2020, we received an email from staff confirming our pump tests from the LTC

[4:32:45] Voice 4: resolutions and a link to the government website for a guide for pump tests under

[4:32:51] Voice 4: when should a neighboring well and or stream levels be measured and it goes on

[4:32:56] Voice 4: to say in the government website should be specified by a professional wearer

[4:33:00] Voice 4: when the pumping rate is high where there are regulatory requirements and

[4:33:04] Voice 4: when the neighboring wells could be impacted and back to the first staff

[4:33:08] Voice 4: report where this letter of 2018 from our professional hydrologist Mr.

[4:33:15] Voice 4: Mr. Stephen Cavalier of H2R Environmental States

[4:33:18] Voice 4: in paragraph one, page one, and I quote,

[4:33:22] Voice 4: due to the comparatively small volumes of water

[4:33:24] Voice 4: projected for this residential use,

[4:33:27] Voice 4: it's expected that this well has not had in the past

[4:33:30] Voice 4: or will continue to have any adverse effect

[4:33:33] Voice 4: on the aquifer and surrounding domestic wells

[4:33:36] Voice 4: receiving waters or agricultural wells.

[4:33:39] Voice 4: So in April, it could have been determined

[4:33:41] Voice 4: that the neighboring well tests were not required

[4:33:43] Voice 4: according to the provincial government guidelines received from the planner and this hydrology

[4:33:49] Voice 4: report and letter has never been included in any staff report to the best of my knowledge

[4:33:54] Voice 4: on august 11 2020 we received an email from staff regarding the affordable housing policies

[4:34:01] Voice 4: and in specific staff referred me to the ocp policy sections b 222.3 and in b 222.3

[4:34:12] Voice 4: a rezoning application for affordable housing should include evidence of, and you go down to

[4:34:18] Voice 4: item B, an adequate water supply for potability. On August 12, 2020, we write to the planner to

[4:34:25] Voice 4: update the rezoning letter, which we bring to the planner's attention. And what it states is

[4:34:30] Voice 4: that we have an adequate water supply, which should be verified by an engineer. And I go on,

[4:34:36] Voice 4: by law 355 potable water 5.5 and in specific 5.5.1 5.5.7 and we're 5.5.7 states for the purpose of

[4:34:48] Voice 4: certification referred to in subsection 5.555 the engineer must supply support of a documentation

[4:34:54] Voice 4: of a pump test concluded by the engineer which must indicate that the test was sufficient

[4:35:00] Voice 4: for the duration to establish long-term viability of the water supply in accordance with the

[4:35:06] Voice 4: generally acceptable hydrology engineering practices. Now this is the OCP and this is

[4:35:12] Voice 4: bylaw 355 yet here we are despite compliance to the OCP despite compliance to bylaw 355

[4:35:20] Voice 4: and we're being asked to test our neighbor as well. November 20th 2020 our hydrologist writes

[4:35:28] Voice 4: writes to William Shuba for some clarification on the well test.

[4:35:32] Voice 4: December 3, 2020, William Shuba replies,

[4:35:36] Voice 4: and we confirm to staff that we will proceed accordingly.

[4:35:40] Voice 4: December 9, staff writes to us and, quote, thanks for the email.

[4:35:44] Voice 4: At this point, it might be tight time-wise to get on the January agenda,

[4:35:48] Voice 4: but please give me the test so we might make the LTC in February.

[4:35:52] Voice 4: On February 4, suddenly, we get an email where staff is telling us

[4:35:56] Voice 4: he's taken the staff report to the february 16th ltc meeting recommending we proceed no further

[4:36:03] Voice 4: for the record we had jay at streamlined plumbing contact one of our neighbors in december about

[4:36:09] Voice 4: allowing monitoring their wells my wife contacted another neighbor in january albeit nice and

[4:36:15] Voice 4: friendly neighbors they declined and for very good reasons it's coved their wells will be shut down

[4:36:21] Voice 4: possibly for 48 hours there's liabilities for later malfunction and it's a total inconvenience

[4:36:27] Voice 4: So allow me to recap and summarize.

[4:36:29] Voice 4: We believe had the August letter from our hydrologist been entered into the first staff

[4:36:34] Voice 4: report, perhaps we would have taken a different direction and we could have satisfied the

[4:36:38] Voice 4: well water requirement.

[4:36:40] Voice 4: We believe that had staff reports contained the OCP and bylaw 355 in specific sections

[4:36:45] Voice 4: 5.51 and 5.57, then the LTC resolution to demand that we test the waters of our neighbors

[4:36:52] Voice 4: may not have been required.

[4:36:54] Voice 4: required and we believe that the BC government well testing section being included in the staff

[4:36:59] Voice 4: report then the merits of our August letter hydrology letter could demonstrate and satisfy

[4:37:04] Voice 4: there is no reason to test the neighboring well. As all the trustees have gone on record and

[4:37:09] Voice 4: including comments and quotes insofar as making the front page of the driftwood on October 16,

[4:37:14] Voice 4: 2020 housing makes LTC priority list and considering this application has covered

[4:37:20] Voice 4: all the bases for a rezoning, including survey and setbacks, access, septic, hydro, environmental,

[4:37:28] Voice 4: and an hydrology report from a professional, it's safe to say we are on the goal line for

[4:37:33] Voice 4: affordable housing rezoning, with the exception of an agreed water confirmation and an affordable

[4:37:39] Voice 4: housing agreement. As the option for water, we've met the OCP, we've met the bylaw, and we've met

[4:37:49] Voice 4: the government provincial guidelines, and we were fully willing to rerun the water test at 2188

[4:37:54] Voice 4: 8 North End Road conducted by a professional hydrologist for the run times specified by

[4:37:59] Voice 4: William Shuba.

[4:38:00] Voice 4: And for the solution, as indicated on page 268 of this staff report, item two at the

[4:38:06] Voice 4: top, we would request that the LTC simply modify the previous resolution where the well

[4:38:13] Voice 4: test for the neighbors is removed and insert a date for us to have our well retested with

[4:38:19] Voice 4: the conditions remaining the same and keep in mind COVID and businesses are trying very hard

[4:38:24] Voice 4: to catch up during COVID. Thank you.

[4:38:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay thank you very much sir for coming today and

[4:38:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): presenting that information. So I'll ask trustees if you have any questions for staff or the

[4:38:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant with regards to the report or the information that the applicant has provided just

[4:38:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): now?

[4:38:48] Voice 10: I think it's...

[4:38:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think

[4:38:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Peter was trying to say something. Go ahead, Peter Grove.

[4:38:59] Voice 10: Anyhow, thank you. This is an unfortunate situation, and we are indeed very much aware of

[4:39:09] Voice 10: the housing situation. What is the size of the property, please? It's 2.38 acres.

[4:39:18] Voice 10: so um a cottage therefore by definition is not um legal on that property i would assume correct yes

[4:39:29] Voice 10: but a studio of up to um 650 square feet or so is i believe um

[4:39:37] Voice 4: i believe the accessory buildings

[4:39:39] Voice 4: is one third of the size of the main dwelling which would allow us just about 850 square feet

[4:39:48] Voice 4: the building is 724 square feet

[4:39:52] Voice 10: um thanks and we are we're there's the north salt spring does not

[4:39:56] Voice 10: run up as far as you are and take it you're talking about the water yes no it does not we're

[4:40:02] Voice 10: we're on a well um and i guess for staff um have we considered a tup taking us through for the for

[4:40:11] Voice 10: the next few years while maybe the crisis gets dealt with other ways um

[4:40:18] Voice 1: tps as it stands are

[4:40:20] Voice 1: not issued for residential uses there is the uh bylaw project for someone that would allow for

[4:40:27] Voice 1: the granting of temporary smarts just just clarify to the uh accessory use uh is capped at 70 square

[4:40:34] Voice 1: meters for properties of the size so just 753 square feet so still within um what was i guess

[4:40:42] Voice 1: the permission for this the structuring question so

[4:40:46] Voice 10: this um tup for residential comes back to

[4:40:48] Voice 10: Haunthouse, something I've been pushing for the last six years. I'm going to like to hear from

[4:40:55] Voice 10: Laura Patrick. Thanks.

[4:41:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sorry, Chair Luckenberg.

[4:41:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I'm not sure if it's me that's got a bad

[4:41:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): connection or Peter Grove. I had a hard time hearing him. Go ahead, Laura. I'm just switching

[4:41:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): my connection just in case.

[4:41:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): My question's for staff in regard to the well testing of

[4:41:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the applicant's offer to do the pump test

[4:41:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the duration without monitoring a neighboring well,

[4:41:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): how, what that would be considered.

[4:41:35] Voice 1: I would defer to our senior fresh water specialist

[4:41:39] Voice 1: William Trouble here on that question.

[4:41:42] Voice 20: Sure, yeah, thank you, Chair,

[4:41:44] Voice 20: and for the question, Trustee Patrick.

[4:41:46] Voice 20: So the applicant was right in that

[4:41:54] Voice 20: In most cases, an observation well is being monitored.

[4:42:01] Voice 20: And I would like to clarify that we're not asking

[4:42:05] Voice 20: for a pumping test or any test of that matter

[4:42:09] Voice 20: to occur on a neighboring property.

[4:42:12] Voice 20: It's just an observation of their water levels,

[4:42:16] Voice 20: which it could be under the discretion of a professional

[4:42:21] Voice 20: that that water can be used during the test.

[4:42:26] Voice 20: That's up to the professional to decide

[4:42:28] Voice 20: if they're able to decipher pumping influence

[4:42:32] Voice 20: from interference influence from a neighboring pumping test.

[4:42:37] Voice 20: The regulatory requirement for the monitoring

[4:42:43] Voice 20: of an observation well came from the LTC.

[4:42:46] Voice 20: So then the applicant is right

[4:42:48] Voice 20: that when there is a regulatory requirement for an observation well that would be included in

[4:42:54] Voice 20: the pumping test and in this case it is the LTC has requested that and that came from the

[4:43:00] Voice 20: discussions from our in-person LTC meeting with the applicant suggesting that there's

[4:43:07] Voice 20: favorable neighbors for the project so the LTC encouraged there would be an observation well

[4:43:13] Voice 20: well included in their pumping test at a greater rate

[4:43:17] Voice 20: than the four hour well test that was done

[4:43:22] Voice 20: where staff have consistently stated

[4:43:26] Voice 20: that a four hour 24 or 240 minute test

[4:43:30] Voice 20: is not considered a pumping test

[4:43:32] Voice 20: under the guidance documents for the province.

[4:43:35] Voice 20: And so that was also included

[4:43:37] Voice 20: in the local trust committee's resolutions

[4:43:39] Voice 20: for the pumping test.

[4:43:42] Voice 20: Hopefully that helps.

[4:43:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): My question was, would the longer duration test be sufficient without monitoring additional well to monitor?

[4:44:03] Voice 20: It's site-specific.

[4:44:05] Voice 20: I haven't done a detailed analysis on that for this particular well.

[4:44:12] Voice 20: It was determined by several technical people on island when we're going through a proof of water bylaw project that monitoring wells during rezoning and subdivision is beneficial and should be required.

[4:44:31] Voice 20: required. If the professional for the applicant is to certify that there is no well interference,

[4:44:45] Voice 20: there is still a regulatory requirement to undertake the observation well test because

[4:44:49] Voice 20: there's a resolution passed by the LTC to include it in their test and that would be

[4:44:53] Voice 20: the regulatory requirement at this time.

[4:45:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Grove?

[4:45:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): So

[4:45:03] Voice 10: under that testing, would the neighbor being monitored have to cease use of their water for 24 or 48 hours?

[4:45:11] Voice 20: As I said before, that is up to the discretion of the professional undertaking the project.

[4:45:20] Voice 20: I live on a well in Salt Spring Island and I have a pressure tank and I have about 200 and some liters in my pressure tank.

[4:45:29] Voice 20: so my well doesn't kick on in that time um so uh it's it's it's up to the professional it could be

[4:45:39] Voice 20: that the um that the the well is not used uh for a short period of time before the before the test

[4:45:47] Voice 20: occurs to get an understanding of static water levels and then um at the end of the test during

[4:45:53] Voice 20: recovery it can be also determined that the well is not being used it's really up to the

[4:45:58] Voice 20: professional to create that methodology. There is also very detailed analysis that can

[4:46:05] Voice 20: easily extract the evidence of pumping from well use and so it's really up to the professional.

[4:46:15] Voice 20: It is usually best management or best practices to have a quiescent time during pumping

[4:46:24] Voice 20: pumping. But it doesn't have to be for the whole duration of the pumping test. And so

[4:46:33] Voice 20: that it's really up to the professional. It's not for me to say.

[4:46:39] Voice 10: Thank you. I appreciate that. But I mean, it's it's asking a heck of a lot of people

[4:46:44] Voice 10: who are stuck home through COVID, many of them with children to to shut off their system

[4:46:51] Voice 10: for a period of time, any period of time.

[4:46:53] Voice 10: So I do appreciate that this is not that simple an ask.

[4:47:03] Voice 20: Yep, I mean, there is a very complicated

[4:47:10] Voice 20: and complex relationship between well owners

[4:47:14] Voice 20: and their wells if there is interference.

[4:47:17] Voice 20: And the opportunity to monitor an observation well gives the professional, if they choose to undertake the analysis, a lot more detailed information on the water resources, including storage.

[4:47:38] Voice 20: storage. It wouldn't be able to tell the storage of the aquifer without monitoring a well,

[4:47:46] Voice 20: as well as determining the interference. The reason for the, or a justification for observation

[4:47:55] Voice 20: well in this test is for the, due to the density of the neighborhood. Since there are many wells,

[4:48:03] Voice 20: It's one of the most densely well-populated areas on the island.

[4:48:10] Voice 20: And if the local trust committee chooses not to rescind their earlier resolution of having an observation while being monitored,

[4:48:24] Voice 20: heard then that regulatory requirement still stands and staff's willing to work with the

[4:48:29] Voice 20: applicant and their um and their professional to uh determine appropriate methodology that

[4:48:37] Voice 20: one wouldn't be so onerous to a to a participating member that would have to have their well

[4:48:42] Voice 20: turned off for two days which is not really necessary question go

[4:48:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): ahead peter sorry to be

[4:48:52] Voice 10: be, this is very frustrating working this way, but can't be helped, I guess. So two questions.

[4:48:59] Voice 10: First, is this house on the same well as the main house? That's question number one. And question

[4:49:05] Voice 10: number two, I presume it would be possible to replace the whole groundwater service to the

[4:49:12] Voice 10: cottage with rainwater. Thank you.

[4:49:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): The applicant would like to address that question.

[4:49:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank

[4:49:21] Voice 4: you. Yes, Peter, to answer your question, both houses are fed by the same well, okay? And I'd like to kind of just say that I've lived there for 27 years. Both houses have been there for 32 years. Never have we ever had a water problem.

[4:49:42] Voice 4: And I think our professional recognizes that. Now, I'm fully compliant to do what you would like us to do, but I can't force my neighbors to let me go on their property and monitor their wells. We know all our neighbors. We've asked them, we start, and they've said no.

[4:50:00] Voice 4: No. So here we are. And I think we could have avoided the resolution from day one had the staff report, the very first staff report contained the letter that we got from the professional saying it wasn't necessary to do any further tests, that there would be no adverse effect on the neighboring wells.

[4:50:22] Voice 4: themselves that letter was never included in any staff report and so I don't think he would have

[4:50:28] Voice 4: come to this conclusion that for us to test the neighboring well pass the resolution and made it

[4:50:34] Voice 4: regulatory had that letter been included but despite that we agreed because we thought okay

[4:50:42] Voice 4: well we can talk to the neighbors we're not going to have any problems well the neighbors looked at

[4:50:45] Voice 4: us like we had three heads no they said and I don't think we're going to be successful with any

[4:50:51] Voice 4: of the neighbors in allowing us to go onto their property the minute you start talking well water

[4:50:56] Voice 4: tapping into your well-doing test i mean it's right away like taboo get out so i just don't

[4:51:02] Voice 4: think it's possible i think that the professional who i mean what's the point of hiring professionals

[4:51:07] Voice 4: if you don't listen to their recommendation i mean this was a signed and sealed letter

[4:51:12] Voice 4: that the professional issued and it never

[4:51:15] Voice 4: got into a staff report

[4:51:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): actually okay um i get the

[4:51:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): the message there, Mr. Kellan. Thank you very much. And what I want to ask staff and William

[4:51:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Shulba, maybe just directed at you, is that it sounds like we have a letter and it sounds like

[4:51:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): potentially you said potentially rescinding some of the requirements here might make things a

[4:51:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): little easier to give us confidence about the water supply. Is that what we've heard from the

[4:51:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant? And I'm not asking you to necessarily judge one way or the other, but do we have the

[4:51:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): information sufficient to give us confidence to rescind the motion that has been on the floor

[4:52:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): to require the testing and that the notification from a professional would allow us to advance

[4:52:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): to advance this application if we provided you and the applicant time to sort it out?

[4:52:13] Voice 20: Thanks for the question. Well, I'm getting feedback from somebody. Thanks for the question,

[4:52:21] Voice 20: Chair. Indeed, I was just making the statement that there is a regulatory requirement for

[4:52:28] Voice 20: an observation well, and in the absence of the rescinding of that resolution, that regulatory

[4:52:36] Voice 20: requirements still stands. That's all I'm saying. I do believe perhaps the applicant can

[4:52:45] Voice 20: confirm this with me. If he's referring to the June 5th, 2018 letter, we have that in a staff

[4:52:52] Voice 20: report, December 19th. Perhaps there was another one that he's referring to. This was the pumping

[4:52:59] Voice 20: test or the well yield test of four hours. So I believe to move forward with a well test

[4:53:15] Voice 20: to address the land use bylaw, the OCP, the code of ethics for engineers and geoscientists of BC

[4:53:21] Voice 20: that recommends that work be undertaken by documentation that's the guidance documentation

[4:53:28] Voice 20: to standardize the profession, which is a pumping test that is greater than the four-hour

[4:53:36] Voice 20: pumping well-yield test that the applicant undertook.

[4:53:40] Voice 20: As I said, staff have maintained consistent that four-hour well-yield tests are not pumping

[4:53:47] Voice 20: tests, full stop.

[4:53:50] Voice 20: And the LTC agreed with that at the last meeting and has passed a resolution to have the applicant

[4:53:56] Voice 20: do a longer-term pumping test.

[4:54:01] Voice 20: so

[4:54:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): before i go back to you peter i think there's an important question there that

[4:54:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): william shoba has asked which is that the letter that you have on record from our december

[4:54:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): report of a of a letter from a professional dated june 11th i think you said um is that

[4:54:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): the letter that you're speaking of mr kellen no

[4:54:25] Voice 4: there was a subsequent letter of august

[4:54:27] Voice 4: that was sent um and i made mention of that at one of the staff reports i mean one of the ltc

[4:54:34] Voice 4: meetings that that letter although it was received because it was sent directly i believe it was to

[4:54:38] Voice 4: seth right never made its way into a staff report and to this day i've never seen it in any staff

[4:54:45] Voice 4: but i do have the letter okay let's ask

[4:54:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff now do you have this second letter that the

[4:54:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): that applicant has made mention of?

[4:54:54] Voice 1: This is August of 2018?

[4:54:56] Voice 1: Yes.

[4:54:57] Voice 1: Yes, yes, that is on file and it does appear

[4:55:01] Voice 1: to have not been appended to the staff report in December.

[4:55:06] Voice 1: I just looking here.

[4:55:11] Voice 1: Oh, wait.

[4:55:13] Voice 1: Yeah, I've got, sorry, it's appendix four

[4:55:15] Voice 1: in that staff report, August 31, 2018.

[4:55:19] Voice 1: It is appended there.

[4:55:20] Voice 1: there. It's a hydrogeologic review letter from H2O. So it's there. I don't know that

[4:55:33] Voice 1: it meets the OCP policy of providing evidence that neighboring wells will not be impacted.

[4:55:41] Voice 1: If I recall the discussion at that time that evidence was desired and that hence the need

[4:55:49] Voice 1: for the for the neighboring well or the observation well monitoring um at that time

[4:55:54] Voice 1: so it was it was appended to the report in december if you don't

[4:55:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): mind peter just so clarity

[4:56:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): now so then that letter was a 10 attached to a previous report that the ltc had seen

[4:56:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right thank you so um i'm cognizant of the time here with respect

[4:56:11] Voice 10: excuse me chair i do need

[4:56:14] Voice 10: to make a comment about that letter all

[4:56:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): right it

[4:56:19] Voice 10: is my understanding that the author of that letter

[4:56:21] Voice 10: did not have the qualifications that met um our staff standards oh

[4:56:27] Voice 20: that's not true

[4:56:29] Voice 20: if you're speaking on behalf of me um so through the chair um uh

[4:56:39] Voice 20: mr calabria of h2o environmental and deeds has the qualifications as a hydrogeologist and has

[4:56:46] Voice 20: has worked on many projects across the Islands Trust area

[4:56:50] Voice 20: for many years.

[4:56:52] Voice 20: That is absolutely not the case here.

[4:56:57] Voice 20: What we're discussing is that the four-hour well yield test

[4:57:01] Voice 20: was not considered a pumping test by staff

[4:57:05] Voice 20: according to provincial documentation

[4:57:08] Voice 20: and guidelines to pumping tests.

[4:57:11] Voice 20: It was determined through various other conversation that a and look and the land use bylaw and OCP and other analysis staff did that an observation well should be considered during the proof of water testing.

[4:57:33] Voice 20: testing so the um there there has been in other cases in the island's trust area and other

[4:57:42] Voice 20: applications where uh for from proof of water to geotechnical to stormwater to septic where

[4:57:49] Voice 20: professionals write in and say do and certify due to these conditions that that this requirement

[4:57:57] Voice 20: environment should not be considered for an application. And, and so that has been done in

[4:58:04] Voice 20: the past. However, suggesting that a four hour well yield test is proof of potable water on

[4:58:13] Voice 20: Salt Spring Island has not been supported by staff since I've been working with Islands Trust for the

[4:58:20] Voice 20: the last four years. So there's two different matters at hand here. There is the longer-term

[4:58:28] Voice 20: pumping test, which is a resolution by the LTC, and there is a monitoring of an observation well,

[4:58:32] Voice 20: which is also a resolution by the LTC. There's no question of the professionalism or the

[4:58:42] Voice 20: accreditation of the applicant's hydrogeologist at all.

[4:58:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[4:58:47] Voice 20: You're welcome.

[4:58:48] Voice 20: So

[4:58:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): William what's the solution to move forward here what do you need from us and what do we need to

[4:58:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): have confidence that we can advance this?

[4:58:58] Voice 20: Well aside from going to an alternative supply

[4:59:04] Voice 20: other than groundwater that in order to establish proof of water that a certified pumping test of a

[4:59:12] Voice 20: a sufficient duration that matches the provincial guidance documents is undertaken um there and

[4:59:22] Voice 20: there is a regulatory requirement right now for an observation well so to move forward the

[4:59:30] Voice 20: as stands the the applicant undertakes a test as the resolutions from the ltc from last year

[4:59:38] Voice 20: and undertakes a monitoring of the observation well

[4:59:44] Voice 20: that has a methodology that's agreed upon

[4:59:47] Voice 20: by the observation well owner and professional

[4:59:50] Voice 20: and the applicant.

[4:59:53] Voice 20: The alternative that I can see is,

[4:59:56] Voice 20: as Planner Gordon says, proceed no further.

[5:00:00] Voice 20: application. And the third option is for the LTC to retain their resolutions from last

[5:00:12] Voice 20: year and but rescind the requirement for an observation well, perhaps replacing it with

[5:00:23] Voice 20: language that asking the professional to ensure that there is no significant interference with

[5:00:32] Voice 20: neighboring wells and identify that analysis somehow in their pumping test and certify that.

[5:00:41] Voice 20: And then that would remove the requirement for the applicant and the professional to undertake

[5:00:47] Voice 20: take monitoring of a neighboring observation wall.

[5:00:51] Voice 20: But still continuing on with a pumping test

[5:00:54] Voice 20: of an appropriate duration,

[5:00:57] Voice 20: without a pumping test of an appropriate duration,

[5:01:01] Voice 20: like the LTC has request or have required of the applicant

[5:01:06] Voice 20: through the resolution,

[5:01:07] Voice 20: I think staff would still consider

[5:01:09] Voice 20: that proof of water has not been found.

[5:01:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, Laura Patrick, I'm gonna turn to you.

[5:01:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[5:01:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): was going to suggest would one possibility be is for the applicant hydro professional to submit a plan for the for the test and let that professional deal with the alternative if a neighboring well can't be found that they're they just address that in their proposed methodology of what they're going to do so that we at least have a

[5:01:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): um we have something to consider uh

[5:01:54] Voice 20: through the chair i i believe that um

[5:01:57] Voice 20: that outlying that would give the ltc a um a reasoning to rescind their original

[5:02:03] Voice 20: um resolution of requiring a observation while test um the applicant's professional can simply

[5:02:11] Voice 20: just point to their letter that they have written earlier um or create a new one um

[5:02:17] Voice 20: Um, and I, I will, I will say that, that the clients professional and streamlined plumbing

[5:02:24] Voice 20: have both been in contact with me with this and, and, and we have discussed the methodology

[5:02:30] Voice 20: to do a longer term pumping test.

[5:02:32] Voice 20: So I'm, I'm not saying that the applicant has not signaled it, that they were going

[5:02:37] Voice 20: to undertake a longer term pumping test because I know that Jay was going out there to do

[5:02:40] Voice 20: one and I feel for them because they're trying to project plan.

[5:02:43] Voice 20: and and i understand that that getting a observation well is difficult um so you know that

[5:02:52] Voice 20: it's just something that the ltc has to consider going forward as well looking at subdivision

[5:02:57] Voice 20: applications and rezoning that there's no doubt that an observation well provides critical

[5:03:03] Voice 20: hydrogeological data like aquifer storativity you cannot get that with just doing a well pumping

[5:03:09] Voice 20: A well test will essentially test the efficiency of the infrastructure, not the resource, and that's an unfortunate thing.

[5:03:18] Voice 20: So I have seen many professional reports and really great detailed desktop analysis from hydrogeologists across the Island Trust area

[5:03:33] Voice 20: area, discussing potential well interference by looking at neighboring wells, cross-sections,

[5:03:40] Voice 20: undertaking desktop analysis that didn't require them to do observational well testing.

[5:03:46] Voice 20: And it's potential that, it's possible, sorry, that the applicant's professional can provide

[5:03:52] Voice 20: a more detailed analysis rather than just a statement of opinion of well-to-well interference,

[5:03:59] Voice 20: interference, which would then perhaps satisfy the LTC in their requirement for observation

[5:04:05] Voice 20: well, but I would still encourage the LTC to remain their recommendation to undertaking

[5:04:15] Voice 20: a proper longer-term pumping test as per the provincial guidance document for conducting

[5:04:23] Voice 20: pumping tests.

[5:04:23] Voice 20: Yeah.

[5:04:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura Patrick.

[5:04:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah. I mean, I'm not hearing anyone arguing against

[5:04:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): doing the longer term test. It's the question of, you know, if they cannot come up with

[5:04:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): a monitoring well on a neighboring property, that's how do you proceed from that loggerhead?

[5:04:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think that's what we're hearing. So if we could find a way to, you know, instead of us

[5:04:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): trying to hydrogeologize this issue. If a professional puts forth their intended, how

[5:05:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): to deal with this in the way that they feel comfortable doing professionally for the applicant,

[5:05:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): then we'd be just considering that. And to me, it gets us out of that quandary.

[5:05:19] Voice 20: Yes. Also, just through the chair, I'm a professional hydrogeologist. I was doing pumping

[5:05:26] Voice 20: being tests as my bread and butter for a decade and um and i have i've i did applications land

[5:05:35] Voice 20: use planning applications and where we had to go and observe neighboring wells which was a

[5:05:39] Voice 20: regulatory requirement mostly in alberta and it is a difficult situation um asking a an owner to

[5:05:47] Voice 20: turn off their well and not use water for two days is is either you have to provide accommodation

[5:05:53] Voice 20: accommodation where you get a tank and you put a tank outside their property and they get

[5:05:58] Voice 20: drink drinking water for two days you can't ask someone to not have access to water for two days

[5:06:02] Voice 20: that's unrealistic um and and so there's there's been accommodations that we provided or just

[5:06:11] Voice 20: simply asking the applicant to to to be frugal with their water so they don't kick on their well

[5:06:16] Voice 20: or just having them have a quiescent period during the start of the pumping test just to

[5:06:22] Voice 20: see the initial interaction with these fractured bedrock aquifers as soon as you turn on that test

[5:06:27] Voice 20: it's gonna that pressure pulse will go through the aquifer um but that's up to the the professional

[5:06:33] Voice 20: to determine um and and so if that but if there's absolutely no access like do not even look at my

[5:06:42] Voice 20: well or if anybody then that that's that's that's an issue and so um there i i believe that it's not

[5:06:51] Voice 20: the the the best alternative to do a desktop analysis of potential well capture zone and

[5:06:59] Voice 20: and interference and indeed it probably would cost more money than just simply putting a data

[5:07:04] Voice 20: logger down a neighbor's well during the test um i mean that's that's going to be a discussion that

[5:07:11] Voice 20: the applicant needs to have with their professional i i believe oh and but i would encourage a

[5:07:17] Voice 20: signaling from the LTC that they would accept something like that to have a discussion about

[5:07:25] Voice 20: the resolution of removing the requirement for an observation well, because that will cost the

[5:07:32] Voice 20: applicant cash from asking a professional to do a detailed analysis of well interference. I think

[5:07:40] Voice 20: that's more onerous than just simply monitoring someone's observation well during a test.

[5:07:46] Voice 20: regardless if you ask them to turn it off or not so

[5:07:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): william um to try and move this forward i guess

[5:07:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm inclined to want to defer this whole thing until our next meeting and in the mean in order

[5:07:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): to allow some process to happen which is beyond our ability to do um you've mentioned rescinding

[5:08:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): that motion um about the monitoring the well or whatever it was so is that what you're suggesting

[5:08:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): at this time is that we rescind that motion that you spoke of and and and have

[5:08:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): this come back to us at a future LTC meeting in order to provide time for the

[5:08:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant and the professionals and staff to resolve this in some way

[5:08:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): sure

[5:08:33] Voice 20: well I will probably defer to Stefan but I'll just answer your

[5:08:38] Voice 20: question brief chair thank you for the question I am not suggesting they'll see

[5:08:43] Voice 20: to do anything all i'm suggesting is there is a regulatory requirement right now to have a

[5:08:49] Voice 20: monitoring well and without the rescinding of that regular without the resolution that

[5:08:56] Voice 20: regulatory requirement stands however we just had this discussion saying if the applicant comes with

[5:09:03] Voice 20: a subsequent study of well interference and well capture zone that the ltc can consider that

[5:09:11] Voice 20: and it kind of in lieu of or an alternative to their regulatory requirement to monitor a well

[5:09:17] Voice 20: and then to rescind it at that time uh

[5:09:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): -huh so at this time we need do nothing i well

[5:09:25] Voice 20: i i would say right now the regulatory requirement or or the i don't think the ltc or staff is

[5:09:33] Voice 20: satisfied in removing the observational right well

[5:09:36] Voice 20: regular regulatory requirement because we

[5:09:38] Voice 20: we have not received anything new from the applicant

[5:09:40] Voice 20: to justify that rather than just this conversation

[5:09:44] Voice 20: we're having today.

[5:09:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, Stefan, what are you suggesting here?

[5:09:51] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair Locke.

[5:09:54] Voice 16: So as William has talked about,

[5:09:58] Voice 16: the LTC made this resolution.

[5:10:01] Voice 16: So it's up to the LTC if you'd like to rescind it.

[5:10:05] Voice 16: I would like you to exercise caution when you do it.

[5:10:07] Voice 16: and so as always staff's advice would be more if you want to rescind that resolution give staff a

[5:10:13] Voice 16: chance aside from a verbal discussion in a public meeting allow staff to talk to the applicant

[5:10:19] Voice 16: further about what they're proposing as an alternative and then we can ask the LTC for

[5:10:23] Voice 16: more clarity I think it's pretty hard for us right now to to come and and hash this all out

[5:10:28] Voice 16: I think the applicant makes a valid concern we all know the LTC only asked for one observation

[5:10:33] Voice 16: well. And it's too bad that can't be met, but it's understandable if it cannot. And I think

[5:10:39] Voice 16: the alternative is maybe to have staff work with the applicant to come with an alternate resolution

[5:10:43] Voice 16: and then present it. Considering it's been going on for 30 years, I don't think time is really of

[5:10:48] Voice 16: the essence on this one. So, you know.

[5:10:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, it would be nice to get it off the books,

[5:10:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): but I would like to entertain a motion to defer this to a future meeting. From my perspective,

[5:11:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): if we've got 20 minutes left in this meeting.

[5:11:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Trustee Patrick, over to you.

[5:11:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do we need to defer it?

[5:11:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, just not

[5:11:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): taking action is

[5:11:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): the same thing.

[5:11:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): You

[5:11:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): can take the recommendation.

[5:11:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, I think what Stephan just said is exactly.

[5:11:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's let the applicant talk.

[5:11:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): How can they do their test?

[5:11:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then, you know, I think we're signaling

[5:11:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): that if they cannot have a neighboring well,

[5:11:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we understand that

[5:11:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that there must be a way to get around that.

[5:11:34] Voice 10: Sounds good to me.

[5:11:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): So do we have to defer it with, I mean,

[5:11:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): or do we just go away and come back

[5:11:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): when they can answer this?

[5:11:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, we want to direct staff to bring it back

[5:11:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): to us at a future meeting.

[5:11:49] Voice 16: If I may, Mr. Chair?

[5:11:51] Voice 16: Yes, sir.

[5:11:52] Voice 16: I recommend that you do pass a resolution,

[5:11:54] Voice 16: but something simple that the LDC direct staff

[5:11:58] Voice 16: to work with the applicant to address issues brought up

[5:12:03] Voice 16: regarding the pump well test or the pump test. Something simple like that. It's clear direction.

[5:12:08] Voice 10: I make that motion.

[5:12:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so I'm going to ask Sarah if she's caught up to us there. And when

[5:12:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're ready, Sarah, if you read it out, that would be terrific.

[5:12:19] Voice 20: Chair, if I may. Yes, please.

[5:12:23] Voice 20: Can we just make it specific to the monitoring well? Because as Trustee Patrick suggested,

[5:12:28] Voice 20: there's no debate whether or not that the applicant needs to continue on with

[5:12:33] Voice 20: the longer-term pumping test the only thing that we're kind of discussing here

[5:12:38] Voice 20: is the monitoring well

[5:12:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so let's see what Sarah has and then we can amend

[5:12:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): that accordingly hasn't been seconded yet so let's start out with what the

[5:12:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion is and maybe even Sarah has managed to figure out a way to insert

[5:12:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): serve that.

[5:12:58] Voice 17: Hi Chair Luckom I can read that out. Thank you. That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[5:13:04] Voice 17: Committee direct staff to work with the applicant of SSRZ 2017.3 to address issues regarding the

[5:13:13] Voice 17: well pump test for the monitoring well.

[5:13:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah I think there's some to I think it's to work for

[5:13:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): the I don't know what the language I'm trying to look here at the original. Yeah

[5:13:29] Voice 20: if I if I may

[5:13:30] Voice 20: Mayor Mrakas, May chair, so that the original LTC emotion was at least one neighbor and well should be monitored during the entirety of the pump test, including during the recharge period so.

[5:13:42] Voice 20: Mayor Mrakas, that's the discussion I think we're having the the rest of the motion said.

[5:13:47] Voice 20: Mayor Mrakas, A new pump test conducted confirming aqua supply of probable water with a minimum duration of 12 hours.

[5:13:53] Voice 20: The pump test should have an automatic water level readings during the pumping and recovery using a data logger.

[5:13:58] Voice 20: We're not really discussing that.

[5:14:00] Voice 20: We're discussing at least one neighboring well should be monitored during the entirety of the pump test.

[5:14:05] Voice 20: So I think the one neighboring well monitoring is the discussion.

[5:14:10] Voice 20: We're not pump testing neighbor wells at all.

[5:14:13] Voice 20: That wasn't part of it.

[5:14:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): So how do we want this motion worded?

[5:14:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think we have to probably, if you could share your screen, Sarah.

[5:14:28] Voice 11: Okay.

[5:14:29] Voice 11: Where

[5:14:49] Voice 5: are you there, Sarah?

[5:15:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): Would it be just regarding issues related to monitoring a neighboring well

[5:15:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): and take out the word pump test?

[5:15:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Everybody see that?

[5:15:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Does that sound like it's workable for staff?

[5:15:25] Voice 20: I think that captures it appropriately, Chair.

[5:15:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much, William.

[5:15:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): I appreciate your support here.

[5:15:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's moved then.

[5:15:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): I got a thumbs up from Stefan.

[5:15:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think that was moved by Peter.

[5:15:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): nice

[5:15:38] Voice 10: yeah it was

[5:15:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): seconded by Laura all those in favor all

[5:15:44] Voice 10: right that carries

[5:15:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right so we can have another hopefully more positive discussion at

[5:15:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): our next meeting or whenever it comes back to us don't want to apply that

[5:15:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): pressure so is there anything further on this application I want to thank the

[5:16:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant for joining us and helping sort that out and I want to thank

[5:16:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): william shulba and gordy gordon jordy gordon for the work and the trustees um if there's nothing

[5:16:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): further i'm going to move to the next application and honestly i have to go to another meeting in

[5:16:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): 14 minutes this is salt spring rezoning 2013.7 booth salt spring ventures lot 10 park drive

[5:16:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): by Salt Spring Island for consideration of file closure.

[5:16:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): We have received some correspondence,

[5:16:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): which I think is included there with respect to that.

[5:16:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I'm going to go to Jason Yeomans

[5:16:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to this report.

[5:16:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you, sir.

[5:16:46] Voice 24: Thank you, Chair Luckin.

[5:16:48] Voice 24: We'll try and get you out of here on time.

[5:16:50] Voice 24: This rezoning application concerns a property

[5:16:53] Voice 24: on Perk Drive in the Ganges Village.

[5:16:55] Voice 24: It's 1.33 hectares in area.

[5:16:58] Voice 24: Its present zoning allows for 33 residential units

[5:17:02] Voice 24: and the applicant is seeking a zoning amendment

[5:17:04] Voice 24: to allow for the construction of up to 48 units,

[5:17:07] Voice 24: eight of which the applicant is proposing

[5:17:09] Voice 24: to be dedicated as affordable housing.

[5:17:12] Voice 24: The applicant is also proposing to limit

[5:17:14] Voice 24: the proposed unit size in an effort

[5:17:16] Voice 24: to make the potential units more accessible

[5:17:21] Voice 24: to Salt Springs Islands workforce, I guess, shall we say,

[5:17:26] Voice 24: rather than others.

[5:17:31] Voice 24: This file was opened in 2013.

[5:17:33] Voice 24: It has not advanced very much since that time,

[5:17:36] Voice 24: owing principally to the introduction of the moratorium

[5:17:39] Voice 24: on new connections to the North Salt Spring Water District.

[5:17:43] Voice 24: That moratorium has made consideration

[5:17:45] Voice 24: of increasing residential density

[5:17:47] Voice 24: within the North Salt Spring service area

[5:17:50] Voice 24: considerably more complicated than it previously was.

[5:17:54] Voice 24: This file was last before the local trust committee

[5:17:56] Voice 24: in May of 2020 at which time the applicant presented a plan to service the proposed density

[5:18:00] Voice 24: using on-site groundwater. Staff suggested at that time that based on the applicant's provided

[5:18:05] Voice 24: information that there was insufficient available groundwater using established unit occupancy

[5:18:10] Voice 24: assumptions to service the proposed density and at that time staff recommended that the file be

[5:18:14] Voice 24: closed. The applicant indicated to the LTC at that time that he felt that there may be movement on

[5:18:20] Voice 24: on the North Salt Spring Water District moratorium

[5:18:23] Voice 24: and that would potentially loosen up.

[5:18:27] Voice 24: The LTC obliged this perspective of the applicant

[5:18:30] Voice 24: by putting the file into abeyance for six months.

[5:18:33] Voice 24: That period of abeyance is now passed

[5:18:35] Voice 24: and the LTC may decide what it wishes to be done

[5:18:38] Voice 24: with the file.

[5:18:39] Voice 24: The file can be closed, abeyance can continue.

[5:18:42] Voice 24: The LTC can advance the file if it so chooses.

[5:18:46] Voice 24: You'll see in appendix one that the applicant continues

[5:18:48] Voice 24: continues to believe that some resolution

[5:18:50] Voice 24: of the water district's moratorium is in the offing

[5:18:53] Voice 24: or at least somewhere in the near future

[5:18:55] Voice 24: and has provided some correspondence to that effect.

[5:18:57] Voice 24: He is requesting a further period of abeyance

[5:19:00] Voice 24: until the water district moratorium issue is resolved.

[5:19:03] Voice 24: Staff are recommending file closure for the same reasons

[5:19:06] Voice 24: that were provided in May of 2020,

[5:19:08] Voice 24: that currently there is insufficient water

[5:19:11] Voice 24: to service the proposed density.

[5:19:12] Voice 24: And additionally, the file was opened in 2013

[5:19:15] Voice 24: 13 with no appreciable forward movement in that time.

[5:19:19] Voice 24: Thank you.

[5:19:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[5:19:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is the applicant with us today?

[5:19:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): I see Eric there, he's been moved to participant.

[5:19:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Eric, you want to speak to the staff report

[5:19:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll go to the trustees.

[5:19:41] Voice 15: Hi, can you hear me?

[5:19:44] Voice 15: Yes, sir.

[5:19:45] Voice 15: Hi. So as I've submitted, North Salt Spring Waterworks District has two ongoing studies at the moment with respect to the moratorium.

[5:19:59] Voice 15: The first is the revisit of the 2015 Lake Maxwell hydrology study, and that, from what I understand from hearing from the Ministry of Environment, is due to be completed sometime next month.

[5:20:17] Voice 15: Upon the completion of that study, which they've tagged $35,000 to spend on, they're following that up with a $25,000 discussion study on the moratorium question.

[5:20:36] Voice 15: So the hope at this point is that the study that is due next month will open the door then for the moratorium to be lifted.

[5:20:49] Voice 15: Now that's based on, I've done a submission to the, to North Salt Spring Water Works District in November of 2019.

[5:20:59] Voice 15: I did a submission to Ministry of Environment a couple of months ago, I guess about just over a month ago now.

[5:21:06] Voice 15: And Ministry of Environment has suggested I wait until the study next month is completed and see where that direction goes.

[5:21:15] Voice 15: goes. So at this point, given how close we are to an actual potential resolve on the

[5:21:24] Voice 15: issue that's been going on basically since 2014, which has affected this application,

[5:21:30] Voice 15: I would ask for a further abeyance. If that is not enough information or enough of an

[5:21:43] Voice 15: an argument at this point, I would submit another argument

[5:21:50] Voice 15: that I won't get into right now,

[5:21:52] Voice 15: primarily because you've probably got eight minutes

[5:21:55] Voice 15: in counting, but if it's not enough,

[5:21:58] Voice 15: if the LTC decides at this moment

[5:22:00] Voice 15: that the moratorium question being looked at right now

[5:22:04] Voice 15: is not enough to put this into advance,

[5:22:06] Voice 15: then I would proceed with my second argument

[5:22:10] Voice 15: with respect to the water supply question.

[5:22:13] Voice 15: Thank you.

[5:22:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Eric.

[5:22:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees, any questions for staff or the applicant?

[5:22:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): How would you like to proceed?

[5:22:22] Voice 10: I don't have a question if I may butt in,

[5:22:26] Voice 10: but I'm quite prepared to put this into advance

[5:22:29] Voice 10: for another six months.

[5:22:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[5:22:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Patrick.

[5:22:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't think it's gonna make too big a difference

[5:22:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): either way.

[5:22:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I wouldn't oppose delaying it further.

[5:22:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I think the reasonable thing to do,

[5:22:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): the applicant has asked for us to delay it further.

[5:22:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): So if we could get a motion to that effect,

[5:23:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I would appreciate it.

[5:23:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sure, I can move it.

[5:23:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[5:23:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): agree to file SSRZ 2013.7 be put in abeyance

[5:23:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): for a period of six months,

[5:23:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): commencing February 16th 2021 thanks

[5:23:21] Voice 10: Laura I second that and

[5:23:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): seconded any

[5:23:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): further discussion all those in favor aye

[5:23:27] Voice 15: and

[5:23:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): that carries so good luck Eric

[5:23:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): thanks

[5:23:32] Voice 15: Peter we'll talk soon thank you

[5:23:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay thank you trustees for moving that

[5:23:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): that along the next meeting is March the regular meeting is March the 23rd I'm

[5:23:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): confused a special meeting is scheduled for February the 11th that's passed

[5:23:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): already so I'm gonna ignore that unless there's a different date that's supposed

[5:24:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be in there I'll turn the staff no

[5:24:07] Voice 16: mr. chair sorry that's an error

[5:24:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay

[5:24:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you. So our next meeting is March the 23rd, if there's no further business today

[5:24:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to thank everyone very much for getting me to three o'clock so I can go in six minutes

[5:24:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): to my next meeting, and all the great support from staff, and wish you and the audience

[5:24:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): all the best and we'll be in touch soon.

[5:24:31] Voice 10: Thank you, thank you, thank you.