Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 4, 2021

[0:00:35] Trustee Rogers: Good morning, everybody. I'm just waiting for a moment so that attendees can arrive. We have

[0:00:39] Trustee Rogers: eight now, but people are still coming in, and we'll start the meeting. Okay. We seem to have

[0:01:14] Trustee Rogers: stabilized in terms of people arriving, so we may have more arrive later as the meeting goes on.

[0:01:21] Trustee Rogers: Good morning, everyone. This is the regular meeting of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee,

[0:01:28] Trustee Rogers: and I thank you for joining us this morning and either on the the broadcast or on the webinar

[0:01:41] Trustee Rogers: we really appreciate you taking time out of your day to watch us do our work. I want to start the

[0:01:47] Trustee Rogers: meeting by recognizing with with deep appreciation that we're meeting in various areas across the

[0:01:55] Trustee Rogers: territories of the Coast Salish peoples, and I say across the territories because I know many of you

[0:02:01] Trustee Rogers: are on Gabriola in the traditional territory of the Tsunamik First Nations and others.

[0:02:08] Trustee Rogers: I happen to be joining you from Vancouver, so I'm in the traditional territories of the Musqueam

[0:02:16] Trustee Rogers: and the Tsleil-Waututh and the Squamish peoples, and we're very pleased to be here

[0:02:20] Trustee Rogers: and uh honored to be able to to work and play in the traditional territories and it's important to

[0:02:27] Trustee Rogers: always remember uh the history of the the peoples that have lived here for millennia i just i usually

[0:02:33] Trustee Rogers: turn at this point to either of the to the two trustees and ask whether they wish to say anything

[0:02:38] Trustee Rogers: in terms of acknowledgement today

[0:02:40] Voice 19: yeah i'd like to acknowledge as well that i am sitting on the

[0:02:46] Voice 19: territory that's the name of First Nation on a beautiful island called Gabriola and their

[0:02:51] Voice 19: of their territory and I've lived here for 40 odd years and I've been grateful to be I've been able

[0:02:58] Voice 19: to do so. Thanks

[0:03:02] Trustee Rogers: okay uh thank you very much for that uh we always encourage people to consider

[0:03:09] Trustee Rogers: that how that you know what how they are viewing that in their own life consider you're fortunate

[0:03:15] Trustee Rogers: and if you wish to put into the chat or to talk about your own experience of living in the

[0:03:22] Trustee Rogers: territories of the First Nation peoples, please do. So we have today, we are of course

[0:03:31] Trustee Rogers: broadcasting this meeting electronically. We are continuing our process of meeting electronically.

[0:03:38] Trustee Rogers: electronically uh it's serving a couple of purposes one is of course it's reducing our

[0:03:45] Trustee Rogers: greenhouse gas emission footprint because there's no travel for staff or um and for

[0:03:51] Trustee Rogers: trustees normally i would have i was thinking this morning as i woke up early that normally

[0:03:56] Trustee Rogers: i'd be heading to either a ferry or a float plane to come over to gabriola i'm in my my uh home uh

[0:04:04] Trustee Rogers: at this moment and we're doing it of course to in accordance with the public health orders and

[0:04:10] Trustee Rogers: we have been doing this for almost a year now. It's coming on I mean in about 10 days it's coming

[0:04:18] Trustee Rogers: on to the a year since the pandemic was declared officially and we've been holding these electronic

[0:04:27] Trustee Rogers: meetings since sometime in April and we are doing the what we can to ensure public engagement

[0:04:34] Trustee Rogers: and continuing to do our work as we go forward.

[0:04:37] Trustee Rogers: I want to thank the staff for all the work that they've done

[0:04:40] Trustee Rogers: to ensure that we can continue this work.

[0:04:46] Trustee Rogers: There is a lot of work behind the scenes to make this happen,

[0:04:49] Trustee Rogers: and we are cognizant of the fact that occasionally

[0:04:54] Trustee Rogers: there are technical difficulties,

[0:04:55] Trustee Rogers: but we think we've worked out most of them.

[0:04:58] Trustee Rogers: But if you have a difficulty, please let us know,

[0:05:01] Trustee Rogers: know, and we will continue to try and make this work.

[0:05:05] Trustee Rogers: You will see as we go through the morning a number of people on your screen, and I'd

[0:05:10] Trustee Rogers: like to take a moment to introduce them.

[0:05:13] Trustee Rogers: First of all, of course, you've got Trustee Colburn and Trustee Langeras, who are your

[0:05:17] Trustee Rogers: elected trustees from Gabriola, who I'm guessing you all know.

[0:05:21] Trustee Rogers: We will have, as our guest today, we'll have RDN Director Vanessa Craig, who will be here

[0:05:27] Trustee Rogers: to give her report.

[0:05:28] Trustee Rogers: In addition, you have our recorder, Nadine Moreau, whose camera is on at the moment.

[0:05:34] Trustee Rogers: She'll say hello and usually turn her camera off.

[0:05:37] Trustee Rogers: Occasionally, I will speak to her to make sure that motions are captured as well.

[0:05:43] Trustee Rogers: You'll see currently on your screen, you'll see Will Cottingham, who is running the, if you will, the Starship Enterprise behind all of this.

[0:05:53] Trustee Rogers: She's running all of the technology for us.

[0:05:57] Trustee Rogers: and I will occasionally speak to Will as well as we go along and she will be monitoring our

[0:06:02] Trustee Rogers: meetings. So thank you very much Will for your help and helping us make this work.

[0:06:08] Trustee Rogers: As well you'll see a variety of planners during the day. You have Island Planner

[0:06:13] Trustee Rogers: Sonya Zupanich who's with us and she'll be presenting a couple of times today. I see

[0:06:19] Trustee Rogers: Planner Ian Cox is with us at the moment as well. He'll be presenting as well as we go forward and

[0:06:24] Trustee Rogers: And there will also be a time when Jamie DeBena will be with us.

[0:06:30] Trustee Rogers: I don't see her camera on, but it may be my screen's not set up properly.

[0:06:34] Trustee Rogers: But anyway, she's with us as well.

[0:06:37] Trustee Rogers: Those are the various staff that will be with us.

[0:06:39] Trustee Rogers: And you'll be hearing from during the course of the day as we go forward.

[0:06:44] Trustee Rogers: As always, the technology is that you are muted at the moment.

[0:06:54] Trustee Rogers: When we get to periods of time in the agenda, you will be promoted up to what's called a panelist

[0:07:03] Trustee Rogers: if you are wishing to speak to the local trust committee and that will occur in two formats.

[0:07:09] Trustee Rogers: One during the town hall if you wish to address the local trust committee and second of all,

[0:07:16] Trustee Rogers: if you're an applicant during the discussion of your application then you will have the

[0:07:24] Trustee Rogers: opportunity to be promoted up to a panelist at that point you will be able to unmute yourself

[0:07:29] Trustee Rogers: and to turn your camera on if you wish um uh just so you're aware you may have noticed if you've

[0:07:40] Trustee Rogers: been following the events and on our on our website and on our mailing list we have amended the agenda

[0:07:47] Trustee Rogers: there is a community information meeting scheduled for today uh and it has it was originally

[0:07:53] Trustee Rogers: scheduled at the very beginning of the meeting, but it has now been moved to close to the end

[0:07:58] Trustee Rogers: of the agenda, and thus will be held somewhere in the 2 to 215 area, and otherwise the agenda is as

[0:08:10] Trustee Rogers: currently on the website. You can go to our website at any time and find the agenda, and

[0:08:16] Trustee Rogers: all of the agenda materials are there as well. As well, this meeting is being recorded and will be

[0:08:23] Trustee Rogers: put up on the website. I think usually, I say within two to three days, but within a matter

[0:08:29] Trustee Rogers: of days it will be up there so that you can watch it. So with that, that's my introductory remarks.

[0:08:38] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to turn to the actual agenda. I will tell you that I will be, I am proposing that we

[0:08:47] Trustee Rogers: add one item to the agenda which will come right after number 13 and before the community

[0:08:52] Trustee Rogers: information meeting is that we're going to have an in-camera meeting for a brief period of time

[0:08:59] Trustee Rogers: to discuss some matters before the CIM. So that would go, Nadine, after number 13 and then

[0:09:06] Trustee Rogers: an in-camera meeting. And I have the motion language, which I'll send to you later so you

[0:09:13] Trustee Rogers: can put it into the minutes. And then 14 will become 15 and then the applications will become

[0:09:18] Trustee Rogers: becomes 16 acceptable to the trustees.

[0:09:21] Trustee Rogers: Are there any other changes to the agenda

[0:09:24] Trustee Rogers: or comments on the agenda

[0:09:26] Trustee Rogers: that either of the trustees wish to make?

[0:09:29] Trustee Rogers: Okay, then I'll take the agenda approved as amended.

[0:09:34] Trustee Rogers: So the first item on the agenda then is reports.

[0:09:39] Trustee Rogers: And first up is the trustees report.

[0:09:42] Trustee Rogers: And I leave it to you who would like to go first today.

[0:09:48] Trustee Rogers: I thought trustee Colburn unmute first so that's

[0:09:52] Trustee Colbourne: not the signal um hello everybody um thanks for

[0:09:56] Trustee Colbourne: joining us I'm at Wasumi Letson which is closer together in Halkamenum and Gabriel Sands um

[0:10:02] Trustee Colbourne: so I just before the meeting we talked briefly about the active transportation grant the ferry

[0:10:09] Trustee Colbourne: to village project scoping project and the union of BC municipalities has approved that grant and

[0:10:16] Trustee Colbourne: And so that's going to be a partnership with the RDN and the trust is going

[0:10:19] Trustee Colbourne: to project manage that.

[0:10:21] Trustee Colbourne: So what I think we'll discuss that later in the meeting,

[0:10:23] Trustee Colbourne: but I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that that we can announce

[0:10:26] Trustee Colbourne: that today. And I'm thrilled about that.

[0:10:27] Trustee Colbourne: That's going to be a really interesting partnership approach to community

[0:10:32] Trustee Colbourne: planning with the name of first nation.

[0:10:34] Trustee Colbourne: I hope is there's some capacity funding in, in the, in the draft budget,

[0:10:38] Trustee Colbourne: the trust working together with the RDN and my thanks to director Craig for

[0:10:42] Trustee Colbourne: the work she did with the RDN to financially support that into the chamber

[0:10:45] Trustee Colbourne: of commerce on gabriola as well for some financial support and um figuring out how we can all get

[0:10:51] Trustee Colbourne: safely and and and um all different ages and abilities get safely up that fairy hill and cut

[0:10:58] Trustee Colbourne: down carbon emissions at the same time and respect and recognize the territory that we're honest name

[0:11:02] Trustee Colbourne: of first nation so um that i'm thrilled with that uh in terms of a report and activities um i

[0:11:09] Trustee Colbourne: attended the gabriola health and wellness collaborative meeting uh last week that's

[0:11:13] Trustee Colbourne: always an inspiring meeting there's so many good things going on we're seeing

[0:11:17] Trustee Colbourne: so many partnerships for instance between the Gurdie community bus the fire

[0:11:21] Trustee Colbourne: department and and and finding funding to take the old fire hall and turn that

[0:11:26] Trustee Colbourne: into a into a storage area for the buses and and really use a building reuse and

[0:11:32] Trustee Colbourne: recycle and reuse a building that is there and can be of community use so I

[0:11:38] Trustee Colbourne: think that's an exciting partnership and congratulations to all involved in that

[0:11:41] Trustee Colbourne: And then the Health and Wellness Collaborative, also really interesting plans for their upcoming public events, how they're going to do that safely, and some discussion of the Gabriel Housing Matters survey work, which is, I believe, completed now.

[0:12:00] Trustee Colbourne: So we're going to hear more about that in the coming days, but thanks to everyone who took part in that, and of course the volunteers who led and directed that.

[0:12:06] Trustee Colbourne: that. So I'm going to leave it there. That's, yeah, that's where I'm at. And obviously getting

[0:12:12] Trustee Colbourne: prepared for Trust Council next week. And I want to congratulate our chair here on his performance

[0:12:17] Trustee Colbourne: and all the staff who took part in the virtual open house last night, I think, did an excellent

[0:12:24] Trustee Colbourne: job of providing some context, answering some really difficult, interesting questions, and just

[0:12:30] Trustee Colbourne: getting more people engaged in this process of talking about what the trust does and how it does

[0:12:35] Trustee Colbourne: it and what capacity does it have and it's uh it's important that we bring as many voices into this

[0:12:40] Trustee Colbourne: conversation so thank you chair rogers for the for the work you put into that and planning and

[0:12:45] Trustee Colbourne: and what you did last night it was very well done okay

[0:12:50] Voice 19: yeah i have to echo uh trustee colburn said

[0:12:53] Voice 19: about the meeting last night there were tough questions asked for uh to for dan and for uh

[0:12:59] Voice 19: deb morrison they were it was interesting the word the questions that i had expected but uh

[0:13:07] Voice 19: good nonetheless um for myself i've a number of committee meetings i've been attending

[0:13:15] Voice 19: uh also some webinars one of the interesting ones a webinar was the has numbers the third

[0:13:21] Voice 19: lng webinar that was put out by the watershed sentinel that happened recently and it was it

[0:13:27] Voice 19: was very informative especially listening to a chief roland wilson from the west

[0:13:31] Voice 19: a Moberly band talking about their territory and what's happened to their territory since

[0:13:37] Voice 19: the 1900s. He had a map showing the 1900 territory and then gradually up to the current day how much

[0:13:47] Voice 19: development has occurred, industry has occurred there and with the setbacks that are set for a

[0:13:53] Voice 19: lot of the activities mining and the fracking of course that the whole area is virtually covered

[0:14:01] Voice 19: and red because of these buffer zones around every, every development that's occurring. I mean, it's, it's, it's scary. It was to see that happening there. And there was there was also a couple of speakers there. There was Delia Nicol from Wet'suwet'en. And then there was a Ken Boone from the Peace Valley Association, the farmers there. And then there was Mike, I forget, I forgot his name.

[0:14:31] Voice 19: know Mike somebody from an oil and gas group working there so it was very informative and as

[0:14:38] Voice 19: I say it was scary and especially the talk about methyl mercury which is a byproduct of damming

[0:14:47] Voice 19: and them and you know they're finding their waters getting tainted more and more with it so it's a

[0:14:53] Voice 19: naturally occurring substance but the damming process has an impact on how it's released so

[0:14:57] Voice 19: So that also attended the Elder Cedar and Coates Millstone Nature Reserve Park Management Plan Review, which is currently undergoing.

[0:15:12] Voice 19: It's involved with, Galt is involved with Elder Cedar, and the Gabriel Museum is involved with the Coates Millstone Park.

[0:15:21] Voice 19: The interesting part of those millstones, they're having to decide what to do about them because they're so dangerous.

[0:15:28] Voice 19: there there's holes deers deers fall into it drown and think and people slip on it so they fence it

[0:15:35] Voice 19: off and now the question is what do they do with these holes and one of the thoughts was to put in

[0:15:40] Voice 19: gravel so that they don't not cement but just gravel so they could recover down the road if

[0:15:45] Voice 19: need be so um trust programs committee you know we're on that still carrying on in terms of the

[0:15:53] Voice 19: the preparation for the um the dis our discussion at next week at trust council which should be a

[0:16:01] Voice 19: full-day uh discussion and i'm looking forward to that i'm hoping that there are varying views

[0:16:06] Voice 19: in the trust and i'm hoping that we can come to some sort of mutual understanding of where

[0:16:11] Voice 19: the commonalities and and the various views so we can move forward on that um regional planning

[0:16:19] Voice 19: committee uh several meetings on that and that's still carrying on about the fee bylaw you know

[0:16:25] Voice 19: questions that are raised are we're able to provide you know a charge a hundred percent of the average

[0:16:31] Voice 19: cost and what are the impacts of that if we do that you know and what do we read you know to what

[0:16:38] Voice 19: do we can we reduce it or should we reduce it you know how much do the taxpayers the general

[0:16:44] Voice 19: taxpayers pay for development permits etc. I'm talking about applications of course by

[0:16:51] Voice 19: individuals. The select committee on the governance review is carrying on and we're

[0:16:59] Voice 19: still working on the request for proposals on that and that is a tight timeline but we'll hopefully

[0:17:07] Voice 19: we um you know move forward uh shortly um what else there i think i'll leave it at that thanks

[0:17:20] Trustee Colbourne: if i just add one update thank you for that case and thanks for all the work you do on

[0:17:24] Trustee Colbourne: on the committees and everything i just wanted to add a quick update on the trees for tomorrow

[0:17:27] Trustee Colbourne: initiative which is trust related grant scott is a trustee on hornby in a long time forester

[0:17:32] Trustee Colbourne: and started something called trees for tomorrow there with the hornby island conservancy the idea

[0:17:36] Trustee Colbourne: is to reforest and restore forested tracks on private land working with donations and working

[0:17:43] Trustee Colbourne: with foresters for prescriptions. We launched that program here on Gabriola with the help of

[0:17:47] Trustee Colbourne: Island Futures and a wonderful coordinator volunteer named Simone Levesque. I'm really

[0:17:54] Trustee Colbourne: happy to announce that we're at over 40 acres now of private land that has been identified and

[0:18:00] Trustee Colbourne: And Simone is going to be doing safe site visits this weekend on over 16 properties.

[0:18:06] Trustee Colbourne: And we're looking at the bare minimum, a thousand trees already have been set aside and all kind of making sure that we're matching the tree species for climate crisis, for where they're being planted.

[0:18:16] Trustee Colbourne: So it's been really exciting to see that program grow over the past 10 days.

[0:18:20] Trustee Colbourne: And I want to thank the community for the support. If you're interested, there's a web page.

[0:18:23] Trustee Colbourne: I can put it in the chat and we'll be releasing it.

[0:18:26] Trustee Colbourne: It's a web page on the Hornberry Island Conservancy just for the Gabriola project.

[0:18:29] Trustee Colbourne: So thanks everybody for

[0:18:31] Voice 19: the support for that.

[0:18:32] Voice 19: I just wanted to add, I forgot to mention one thing

[0:18:34] Voice 19: that the Watershed Sentinel website has a link

[0:18:38] Voice 19: to the presentation on the LNG and it's worthwhile.

[0:18:42] Voice 19: It's on a YouTube, it's worthwhile going to

[0:18:44] Voice 19: if you go to their website.

[0:18:47] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you trustees.

[0:18:48] Trustee Rogers: And thank you for all your work in the trust.

[0:18:52] Trustee Rogers: Just to follow up on what trustee Colburn was talking about.

[0:18:56] Trustee Rogers: It's not only Hornby, it's also Gabriela,

[0:18:59] Trustee Rogers: it's also Galliano the trees for tomorrow and there may be other places but those are the three

[0:19:03] Trustee Rogers: I'm aware of so it's it's the roots are spreading so it's a great uh a great initiative and uh

[0:19:12] Trustee Rogers: something practical that's going on on the ground that um many many people are involved in and so

[0:19:18] Trustee Rogers: thank you for uh the work of people on Gabriola in relation to that and and to the initiative

[0:19:24] Trustee Rogers: from Hornby. I'll just report on a few things. First of all, it's always a busy time

[0:19:34] Trustee Rogers: immediately before press council, which is next week. It's a daunting package for people to look

[0:19:44] Trustee Rogers: at, but it's daunting because it's so long. It's over 900 pages. The package, of course,

[0:19:51] Trustee Rogers: it's all online you're it's all public information you're welcome to look at but it's it's it's um

[0:19:56] Trustee Rogers: as large as it is for a couple of reasons one is there are uh there are about i'm going to say about

[0:20:04] Trustee Rogers: 150 pages related to the trust policy statement um um and and the full day of discussion that's

[0:20:11] Trustee Rogers: set aside for that i know trustee long's eyes mentioned that that's on the tuesday you can

[0:20:16] Trustee Rogers: watch that, everything of course is broadcast, you can watch that live. The other part is that

[0:20:24] Trustee Rogers: we have two, we had two surveys going at the same time, one related to the trust policy statement

[0:20:31] Trustee Rogers: and it had over 400 responses to it and all of the individual responses are contained in the trust,

[0:20:38] Trustee Rogers: in the package.

[0:20:40] Trustee Rogers: And so that takes up considerable amount of the packages

[0:20:45] Trustee Rogers: is that all that response from the various people.

[0:20:49] Trustee Rogers: And I wanna thank all of the people who responded.

[0:20:52] Trustee Rogers: There are some thoughtful comments,

[0:20:54] Trustee Rogers: a lot of thoughtful comments contained in that

[0:20:56] Trustee Rogers: and will help the discussion as we go forward.

[0:21:00] Trustee Rogers: But in addition, of course,

[0:21:02] Trustee Rogers: this is March is always budget time.

[0:21:06] Trustee Rogers: and it's an amazing trajectory because I recall the first time we did in and I think it was my

[0:21:13] Trustee Rogers: second or third year of my my first term when we did a budget survey as opposed to sort of a random

[0:21:21] Trustee Rogers: consultation that was in the form that in the similar form to what it is and started to really

[0:21:26] Trustee Rogers: push it out and we had like 87 responses and then we went up to about 160 and I think last year

[0:21:34] Trustee Rogers: we had like over 300 and we thought wow isn't this amazing well we had over 900 responses this year

[0:21:40] Trustee Rogers: to the survey um so that that's a that's an indication both that people are interested in

[0:21:45] Trustee Rogers: that and that that both staff and trustees are pushing the out the survey to so many more people

[0:21:51] Trustee Rogers: that we're getting a lot of responses to that um and all the comments for that are there as well

[0:21:57] Trustee Rogers: uh people commenting and answering questions so all of that is in the material as well as all of

[0:22:02] Trustee Rogers: the budget material so um it's not i guess it's it well it looks like a huge package and it is

[0:22:09] Trustee Rogers: that's why one of the reasons why it's there's so much material is because we're

[0:22:13] Trustee Rogers: uh we're trying to um take in as much public feedback as we possibly can on two very important

[0:22:19] Trustee Rogers: initiatives so trust council i remind you that um that the uh uh that uh the town hall is scheduled

[0:22:29] Trustee Rogers: scheduled for a Tuesday evening. We're continuing, I don't want to call it an experiment, but it's

[0:22:36] Trustee Rogers: sort of, it's the second time we've done it where we're having the town hall and the delegations

[0:22:40] Trustee Rogers: in an evening session from seven till, I'm going to say nine-ish because I'm expecting there might

[0:22:48] Trustee Rogers: be a number of people there. We'll see how long it goes. We have, we already have, we know we have

[0:22:54] Trustee Rogers: have six delegations that have been approved

[0:22:59] Trustee Rogers: that are coming to the delegation session.

[0:23:02] Trustee Rogers: So town hall will likely start somewhere shortly

[0:23:05] Trustee Rogers: before eight o'clock after the delegations are finished,

[0:23:08] Trustee Rogers: but there's some very interesting delegations.

[0:23:10] Trustee Rogers: So I encourage you to watch

[0:23:11] Trustee Rogers: and then you can watch all of the discussion, of course,

[0:23:15] Trustee Rogers: related to the budget and the trust policy statement.

[0:23:20] Trustee Rogers: And there's a number of rather interesting reports

[0:23:22] Trustee Rogers: reports related to things like the the planning services review the reconciliation action plan

[0:23:31] Trustee Rogers: and the rollout of that all of that material is there and there will be discussion on

[0:23:35] Trustee Rogers: all of those issues as we as we and of course then the fulsome discussion around

[0:23:40] Trustee Rogers: approving a budget we we have to statutorily approve a budget before the end of march

[0:23:45] Trustee Rogers: and so this is the meeting where that occurs uh i was in the virtual town hall last night we had

[0:23:51] Trustee Rogers: over we had over 100 people observing it as participants in the webinar so thank you again

[0:23:59] Trustee Rogers: to the trustees for pushing the information out it's good to know that people were interested

[0:24:05] Trustee Rogers: enough to take a beautiful evening and come and watch. I'm going to probably stop there there's

[0:24:12] Trustee Rogers: there's a lot going on in the trust right now and it feels like there's I have a few other things to

[0:24:20] Trustee Rogers: report in the first when we get to the first nations report but i think i'll leave them

[0:24:24] Trustee Rogers: um for that discussion when we get to that so that's my uh my chair's report and i'll move over

[0:24:33] Trustee Rogers: to 3.3 and that would be and we welcome and i'm always glad when because it feels like when i read

[0:24:39] Trustee Rogers: her report i never am nearly as effective as when vanessa is actually here so welcome uh director

[0:24:47] Trustee Rogers: and over to you for your report to the gathered people.

[0:24:54] Voice 9: Thank you, chair Rogers.

[0:24:56] Voice 9: And thank you again to you and the trustees for inviting me

[0:24:58] Voice 9: and allowing me to participate in your meeting.

[0:25:01] Voice 9: I have a few updates I'd like to share

[0:25:04] Voice 9: and thanks for the time.

[0:25:07] Voice 9: So one of the first updates is I've mentioned

[0:25:10] Voice 9: that we've been going through an alternative approval process

[0:25:12] Voice 9: for whether or not residents are in favor

[0:25:15] Voice 9: of creating an electric vehicle charging service.

[0:25:17] Voice 9: So this, the RDN currently doesn't have the service to provide electric vehicle charging stations and we received, the RDN received a large grant from the province to put in some charging stations and one of the charging stations would be, is earmarked for Gabriola.

[0:25:37] Voice 9: and so but we needed a a process to assess whether or not the residents were in favor of this because

[0:25:43] Voice 9: it is a new service so at the board meeting last week we received the results of the survey the

[0:25:49] Voice 9: alternative approval process which indicates that if more than 10 percent of the residents or the

[0:25:54] Voice 9: electors indicate their opposition then you would either need to go to an assent referendum or or

[0:26:01] Voice 9: or other means of assessing interest.

[0:26:05] Voice 9: So we received 78 in total forms, 68 of which were from Area B,

[0:26:12] Voice 9: which I think indicates a high degree of engagement with our community

[0:26:17] Voice 9: and knowledge of this going on, but it wasn't meeting the 10% benchmark.

[0:26:24] Voice 9: So I did support the creation of the service, so that'll be going ahead.

[0:26:30] Voice 9: head and Huxley Park is this potential site for the charger on Gabriola pending a feasibility

[0:26:36] Voice 9: analysis so when I was when we were going through this process I was I was really happy to receive

[0:26:42] Voice 9: a lot of communication from people both in favor and people who had concerns about the idea of

[0:26:47] Voice 9: creating the service and the number one concern that I heard that was most consistent was that

[0:26:54] Voice 9: they were initially going not going to be user pay so they were going to be free to use for the

[0:26:59] Voice 9: the year was the original intention. So I created a motion which was supported that we'll get a

[0:27:06] Voice 9: report so we can consider implementing a user pay system right from the beginning. We got this grant

[0:27:12] Voice 9: a couple of years ago and the landscape of electric vehicle chargers has changed in the

[0:27:19] Voice 9: last couple of years and other municipalities are putting in electric vehicle chargers and going

[0:27:24] Voice 9: with the user pay system. So I think it's worthwhile looking at that. We also received

[0:27:30] Voice 9: the RDN a wildfire resiliency grant of approximately $385,000 from the province.

[0:27:37] Voice 9: And this will allow us to create a community wildfire resiliency plan in our area, as well

[0:27:42] Voice 9: as in the other electoral areas. And also the grant will support the development of a fuel

[0:27:48] Voice 9: management prescription in parts of the 707 community park, which as we know, is a large park

[0:27:53] Voice 9: surrounded by houses that that in the past has a harvesting past and so there's there's issues with

[0:28:02] Voice 9: potential fire risk and both of the rfps for those um projects have have been posted on the rdn site

[0:28:10] Voice 9: um the social needs assessment which i i think mentioned uh which is the joint project with

[0:28:15] Voice 9: the rdn and the gabriella trust committee nanaimo qualcomm beach and lanceville's moving on to its

[0:28:20] Voice 9: next phase of public engagement and so that will be done in association with the Gabriel Health and

[0:28:30] Voice 9: Wellness Collaborative as well as the other health and wellness networks elsewhere in the RDN.

[0:28:36] Voice 9: Thanks to Trustee Colburn who attended our POZAC meeting recently and gave us an update on the

[0:28:41] Voice 9: ecological protection zone project for the Islands Gabriel Local Trust Committee and the Trees for

[0:28:46] Voice 9: tomorrow projects uh i highlighted a couple of other projects um in the report um just uh that

[0:28:55] Voice 9: the rfp for tender documents for huxley phase two should be released shortly and um and a couple of

[0:29:02] Voice 9: other projects that we're going to be tackling this year and then we we have a new tree management

[0:29:07] Voice 9: policy for rdn parks which is a focus on zero net loss of trees so if a tree is removed for

[0:29:13] Voice 9: development purposes that at least one tree needs to be planted to replace it and it has to be

[0:29:19] Voice 9: appropriate for the climate and in the location. We have a new green building series which is on

[0:29:27] Voice 9: site planning and best practices and obviously the RDN doesn't do site planning and zoning on

[0:29:34] Voice 9: Gabriola but it is specific to the RDN and the climate considerations and some of the

[0:29:40] Voice 9: considerations and i think it's actually quite a really good document so um it joins the rain

[0:29:45] Voice 9: water harvesting renewable energy guidebooks and and i think they're very worthwhile and i've gave

[0:29:50] Voice 9: a previous um update on development cost charges which we're talking about um associating with

[0:29:56] Voice 9: with potential subdivision or a multifamily dwelling.

[0:30:00] Voice 9: and that project is going forward in the next phase is a consultation with the building community so

[0:30:05] Voice 9: thank you for the update uh giving me the time to provide an update

[0:30:09] Trustee Rogers: as always you're welcome anytime

[0:30:12] Trustee Rogers: thank you very much Vanessa I think your reports end up on our webpage somewhere but I'm not

[0:30:18] Trustee Rogers: sure where or how they end up because it wouldn't have made the package this

[0:30:22] Trustee Rogers: I think

[0:30:23] Voice 9: they're added as an addendum right

[0:30:25] Trustee Rogers: so yes and I think that's correct so that when

[0:30:27] Trustee Rogers: when we get a chance, it'll go up in there,

[0:30:30] Trustee Rogers: and I think they're very informative.

[0:30:32] Trustee Rogers: So thank you very much.

[0:30:36] Trustee Rogers: Over to, then we're at 3.4 First Nations report,

[0:30:41] Trustee Rogers: and I'll turn first to the trustees,

[0:30:43] Trustee Rogers: and then as indicated, I have a couple of reports

[0:30:45] Trustee Rogers: that I'd like to make.

[0:30:47] Trustee Rogers: So do either of you?

[0:30:48] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Trustee Kolder.

[0:30:50] Trustee Colbourne: Yes, I attended a meeting

[0:30:53] Trustee Colbourne: with Senior Intergovernmental Policy Analyst,

[0:30:55] Trustee Colbourne: Lisa Wilcox from the trust,

[0:30:57] Trustee Colbourne: Chief Wise from Sunaimuk First Nation and Councillor Joseph from Sunaimuk First Nation,

[0:31:02] Trustee Colbourne: a really good positive discussion about some areas where we can work together and some things

[0:31:09] Trustee Colbourne: to revisit that are really important in the relationship. I think the first thing that we

[0:31:16] Trustee Colbourne: talked about the most was the protocol agreement. So that was signed in 2008. It's signed on behalf

[0:31:21] Trustee Colbourne: of the Local Trust Committee by Trust Council and with Sunaimuk First Nation. And there's been a

[0:31:26] Trustee Colbourne: commitment um by the nation to look at that to revisit it to to look at some of the mechanisms

[0:31:31] Trustee Colbourne: that um within that for cooperation and dialogue sharing and how how we work together uh so there's

[0:31:40] Trustee Colbourne: um we're going to have another meeting um later this month to discuss that and so it was a really

[0:31:45] Trustee Colbourne: positive meeting um obviously that community is just coming out of some lockdown orders and and

[0:31:50] Trustee Colbourne: And I expressed the thoughts and positive feelings that were expressed to me on this island for the nation and the elders and the knowledge keepers.

[0:32:02] Trustee Colbourne: So obviously, it was good to hold that meeting and it was very productive.

[0:32:10] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. Anything from you, Trustee Langer?

[0:32:14] Voice 19: Nothing specific other than I'm certainly in the learning curve in terms of negotiations and consultation.

[0:32:23] Voice 19: with First Nations and I think this is this has been really positive that we're I'm seeing you

[0:32:29] Voice 19: know that Sanemo is getting involved you know they're speaking to us now more and when issues

[0:32:35] Voice 19: arise such as the uh the ferry terminal so uh it's a learning curve for me right and for all of us

[0:32:44] Trustee Colbourne: yeah I'm wondering if there's a follow-up I believe from the last meeting we discussed Elder

[0:32:48] Trustee Colbourne: Geraldine Manson and the Community Stewardship Award and and I believe there's going to be some

[0:32:52] Trustee Colbourne: personal follow-up um just to see how she would like that to happen i don't know you know if

[0:32:57] Trustee Colbourne: trustee laundries you have a report on that or

[0:32:59] Voice 19: yeah uh no not at this point in time i will be

[0:33:03] Voice 19: following up on that soon excellent

[0:33:05] Trustee Rogers: we'd like to do it yeah it'd be great to do it at some point

[0:33:08] Trustee Rogers: it um yeah the

[0:33:10] Trustee Rogers: recognition it's been a while but i mean there's lots of reasons for it and

[0:33:14] Trustee Rogers: and it would be great to be able to celebrate that that that um recognition for her

[0:33:20] Trustee Rogers: um i i have uh three brief things on the first nations report um first is is a recommendation

[0:33:28] Trustee Rogers: that uh i i know i was talking about the the package um for the trust council but if you

[0:33:35] Trustee Rogers: and if you don't and for people who don't read the whole package i would recommend

[0:33:39] Trustee Rogers: at least one item which is the the report on the reconciliation plan um action plan from uh

[0:33:47] Trustee Rogers: Lisa Wilcox, who was our senior intergovernmental policy advisor and a great guide for all of us

[0:33:54] Trustee Rogers: in terms of our relationship building with First Nations. It really gives a comprehensive view of

[0:34:02] Trustee Rogers: what has occurred in the trust over the last two years in particular, but even the two or three

[0:34:09] Trustee Rogers: years before that and the evolution of the work that's been done um and uh it's a it's a i found

[0:34:17] Trustee Rogers: it a good lesson in for me anyway in understanding that that uh while it sometimes feels like we

[0:34:25] Trustee Rogers: aren't doing enough we we also have to recognize that things have changed and we are taking a

[0:34:31] Trustee Rogers: different approach to things so um it's a good read it's about it's a it's an interesting read

[0:34:36] Trustee Rogers: of about 20 pages so I recommend that to everybody. The other thing I wanted to report was

[0:34:45] Trustee Rogers: yesterday and I make it the name of the committee wrong I think it's called the

[0:34:49] Trustee Rogers: Water Advisory Committee because there's lots of fresh water work going on around

[0:34:56] Trustee Rogers: the trust right now both through grants and through projects that we're funding

[0:35:00] Trustee Rogers: and they've struck a committee to give advice and to our knowledge at least to my knowledge and

[0:35:07] Trustee Rogers: I heard it from a couple of staff for the very first time on one of these committees

[0:35:13] Trustee Rogers: there was First Nation engagement in terms of sense of people actually sitting on in the at

[0:35:19] Trustee Rogers: the table and giving advice and being involved in the work that was being done and particularly with

[0:35:25] Trustee Rogers: elder knowledge. I heard reports from staff who were there that it was quite a different dynamic

[0:35:34] Trustee Rogers: and quite a moving dynamic and just the mere fact that there was that kind of knowledge at the table

[0:35:40] Trustee Rogers: as opposed to just technical knowledge or political knowledge in a subtler sense,

[0:35:46] Trustee Rogers: that that that was a felt like that was felt like a big a different step forward so

[0:35:52] Trustee Rogers: or a different step to take anyway so that that did occur and other things are happening in an

[0:35:59] Trustee Rogers: area there is I just I I had the privilege of for example in my own local trust area because

[0:36:07] Trustee Rogers: we're doing a foreshore review on Keats Island and the lectines in the Squamish language.

[0:36:20] Trustee Rogers: We've been wondering when the Squamish might, it's in Alcatsen which is in traditional territory of

[0:36:25] Trustee Rogers: the Squamish First Nation, and we've been wondering when there might be some reach out and

[0:36:30] Trustee Rogers: there finally was. And now it sounds like it's going to be a fairly fulsome involvement in what

[0:36:36] Trustee Rogers: the shorelines do and it's a reminder that of course every time we we get involved in particularly

[0:36:42] Trustee Rogers: shorelines but other areas as well there there is undoubtedly a cultural history and a first

[0:36:49] Trustee Rogers: nations people's history in that area that we we need to understand better and take into account

[0:36:55] Trustee Rogers: and so that was an interest a very encouraging meeting because they were quite keen and being

[0:37:00] Trustee Rogers: involved and what the difference was they were quite keen because they're going to be involved

[0:37:05] Trustee Rogers: in a project in developing the policy as opposed to simply responding to a proposed development

[0:37:13] Trustee Rogers: if you get my difference so often they're responding to someone wants to build a house

[0:37:18] Trustee Rogers: or someone wants to build a dock or someone wants to do this and so they're responding just to a

[0:37:22] Trustee Rogers: plan that's already in place they were quite excited or excited or keen it seemed to me to

[0:37:28] Trustee Rogers: to be involved in actual the actual planning process of how we how we go about working out

[0:37:35] Trustee Rogers: what the what the what the um uh the the bylaws should read and what the what the what the

[0:37:41] Trustee Rogers: considerations should be involved in in um in protecting the very sensitive cultural area so

[0:37:49] Trustee Rogers: that that was that was a very positive meeting so those sorts of meetings are starting to happen in

[0:37:53] Trustee Rogers: of a variety of different places and i'm quite encouraged and i think that's part of the future

[0:37:58] Trustee Rogers: of the work that we're doing uh going forward um yeah well that's my report on on first nations

[0:38:06] Trustee Rogers: um happy to answer any questions related to that i saw you on mute trustee colburn

[0:38:10] Trustee Colbourne: no i i just i think we're all learning and certainly the how do we how do we deal with

[0:38:17] Trustee Colbourne: remains of loved ones and cultural heritage sites um this is a central theme and discussions i've

[0:38:23] Trustee Colbourne: had and i'm honored to be in those discussions and to and to simply create a safe space to listen to

[0:38:29] Trustee Colbourne: um different belief systems different approaches different um ideas of how we could work together

[0:38:36] Trustee Colbourne: in a really respectful way taking into account those belief systems and i think that's really

[0:38:41] Trustee Colbourne: the crux of it from a land use planning point of view is is is what can be done to repatriate

[0:38:46] Trustee Colbourne: those remains that don't involve shipping um things off the island like how can it be done

[0:38:54] Trustee Colbourne: in a more respectful way and more of a partnership way and more of a collaborative way in a safe

[0:38:58] Trustee Colbourne: culturally sensitive way so it's um it's in the protocol agreement some language around that and

[0:39:03] Trustee Colbourne: that's part of what we'll be revisiting and that's the that's the learning i'm doing is that sort of

[0:39:07] Trustee Colbourne: um a little bit on the spiritual side of things as well uh something that i hadn't been exposed

[0:39:13] Trustee Colbourne: to in in my life and and it's something that you know my my mother has been learning about this and

[0:39:19] Trustee Colbourne: the education system and where we were at 10 50 years ago 40 years ago 10 years ago is is vastly

[0:39:25] Trustee Colbourne: changed and i'd like to really emphasize what chair rogers said about that report for the next

[0:39:30] Trustee Colbourne: trust council meeting um it can be um dispiriting at times to do some of this work and to feel like

[0:39:38] Trustee Colbourne: it's not advancing and i think what lisa has done with that report is to show that we've taken

[0:39:42] Trustee Colbourne: strides and that it's better than it was and that these are the these are the actions we're doing

[0:39:46] Trustee Colbourne: and these are the foundational documents and legislation that we're working within and it's

[0:39:51] Trustee Colbourne: far more respectful than it was and I think I think we're all on this path at different places

[0:39:56] Trustee Colbourne: in different places and we can help each other along and do so in a safe respectful way so

[0:40:00] Trustee Colbourne: I really hope that that people take in that that report and and and think about that in their day

[0:40:06] Trustee Colbourne: to day lives as well and thanks for all the work that the the trust staff are doing on this front

[0:40:11] Trustee Colbourne: to to to make that relationship uh more respectful and safe thanks

[0:40:15] Trustee Rogers: uh trustee colmer trustee yeah

[0:40:18] Voice 19: just the other thought that came to me is uh timelines we work on such rigid timelines and

[0:40:25] Voice 19: first nations have a full plate i'm sure with all of the things that are going on and that we have

[0:40:30] Voice 19: to i think we have to become more flexible in our timelines and and when we communicate with them

[0:40:37] Voice 19: I think you know we we're so rigid like 30 days 90 days or whatever and then if it closes then

[0:40:43] Voice 19: it's shut down and I don't think that's the way to go that's not appropriate well

[0:40:48] Trustee Rogers: and I'll tell

[0:40:50] Trustee Rogers: a bit of a personal story I don't want to take up too much time but I had that learning in in

[0:40:56] Trustee Rogers: relation to my again the Keats Shoreline project is and I take it this was all me I had sort of

[0:41:03] Trustee Rogers: gotten to the point where I think we've done enough community engagement let's get this thing moving

[0:41:08] Trustee Rogers: um and then uh and I had sort of pushed or encouraged the staff to to accelerate the

[0:41:15] Trustee Rogers: timeline that they were proposing um and uh and then the Squamish put their hands up and said

[0:41:22] Trustee Rogers: no we want to be engaged and the staff was conflicted about that and and I had to take

[0:41:29] Trustee Rogers: that on myself and say you know what that's me with my with my standard approach to things about

[0:41:36] Trustee Rogers: moving quickly etc and i i uh it was a learning for me that we need to as as you say trusting

[0:41:43] Trustee Rogers: long rise we need to sort of adjust our expectations about what what timelines are

[0:41:47] Trustee Rogers: appropriate i mean we often set out consultation uh timelines etc for and referral timelines but

[0:41:57] Trustee Rogers: But the reality is that for our engagement with First Nations, it's a continuum.

[0:42:01] Trustee Rogers: It is always going on.

[0:42:04] Trustee Rogers: And actually, we're going to hear about that a little bit later on when we get to one of

[0:42:13] Trustee Rogers: the projects or one of the applications that's on our thing that there are times when we

[0:42:18] Trustee Rogers: just need to stand back and wait.

[0:42:21] Trustee Rogers: So thank you very much for all those reports and good thoughts.

[0:42:25] Trustee Rogers: Appreciate that.

[0:42:27] Voice 24: so uh

[0:42:28] Trustee Rogers: the next thing on the agenda is our town hall uh we have a few attend a number of attendees

[0:42:33] Trustee Rogers: here uh and this is your opportunity to speak to the local trust committee related to uh items

[0:42:39] Trustee Rogers: either on our agenda or if not on our agenda uh items that you um wish to address to us generally

[0:42:47] Trustee Rogers: i would remind you of a couple of things first of all if you're an applicant and i see a couple

[0:42:51] Trustee Rogers: of applicants here i see that um a couple of applicants in our list of attendees uh you will

[0:42:58] Trustee Rogers: have the opportunity to address your application when we get to it on the agenda so you didn't

[0:43:02] Trustee Rogers: speak about it in the actual town hall itself um you can speak about something else if you wish

[0:43:09] Trustee Rogers: but if um if you have something else

[0:43:12] Trustee Rogers: i i remind you only of the sort of the three

[0:43:15] Trustee Rogers: rules of engagement that we ask for during which are addressing your comments to the local trust

[0:43:22] Trustee Rogers: committee not to somebody else that may be watching or listening and in particular to me

[0:43:29] Trustee Rogers: please address issues and not people if you wish to address if you have comments about a

[0:43:37] Trustee Rogers: particular item on our agenda and please be respectful and appropriate in your language

[0:43:42] Trustee Rogers: which I've often said in my experiences,

[0:43:46] Trustee Rogers: it has been almost exclusively

[0:43:49] Trustee Rogers: that people on Gabriel do that.

[0:43:52] Trustee Rogers: So I'm not concerned,

[0:43:53] Trustee Rogers: but please remember those rules of commentary.

[0:43:58] Trustee Rogers: So having said that,

[0:43:59] Trustee Rogers: I see that a couple of people have already figured out

[0:44:01] Trustee Rogers: that if you want to speak,

[0:44:02] Trustee Rogers: you just hit the raise hand button

[0:44:04] Trustee Rogers: on the bottom of the screen of your screen.

[0:44:08] Trustee Rogers: And I'm going to call upon you and you'll be promoted.

[0:44:12] Trustee Rogers: And as I said earlier, you have to unmute yourself

[0:44:17] Trustee Rogers: and you're welcome to turn your camera on if you wish.

[0:44:22] Trustee Rogers: I do remind you of one other thing.

[0:44:25] Trustee Rogers: I do remind you, I often, I sometimes forget to say this

[0:44:29] Trustee Rogers: and I rather, I'll say it now rather than before.

[0:44:31] Trustee Rogers: We are post public hearing related to two bylaws

[0:44:35] Trustee Rogers: related to the Gabriel Housing Society.

[0:44:39] Trustee Rogers: We aren't post public hearing

[0:44:41] Trustee Rogers: hearing related to the, we can receive commentary related

[0:44:44] Trustee Rogers: to the housing agreement, but we are post-public hearing

[0:44:48] Trustee Rogers: related to the two bylaws, the OCP amendment

[0:44:53] Trustee Rogers: and the land use bylaw amendment, I forget the numbers,

[0:44:55] Trustee Rogers: so please do not make any comments.

[0:44:58] Trustee Rogers: We cannot receive any more commentary related to that.

[0:45:01] Trustee Rogers: If you have any questions, you can contact staff

[0:45:04] Trustee Rogers: and in particular, Planet of Anaheim related to that.

[0:45:07] Trustee Rogers: Having said that, I'm going to call on Susan Yates,

[0:45:09] Trustee Rogers: if you could promote Susan and the former trustee Susan Yates, welcome and you should

[0:45:16] Trustee Rogers: be able to unmute yourself now and if you wish you can turn your camera on.

[0:45:27] Voice 25: There you are.

[0:45:31] Voice 18: Can you hear me?

[0:45:32] Voice 25: You sure can.

[0:45:35] Voice 18: I might need to use a different computer because

[0:45:37] Voice 18: Debra and I are not only sharing a brain but we're also sharing two computers in the same room.

[0:45:43] Voice 18: Anyway, thank you so much for your time this morning. And I really would like to congratulate you on the trust policy engagement presentation last night, it was, it was beautifully done.

[0:45:58] Voice 18: And I particularly appreciated Lisa Wilcox's very thoughtful replies to some really difficult questions. So thank you so much for that.

[0:46:09] Voice 18: on to today um this has this is not on today's local trust committee agenda it goes back to the

[0:46:16] Voice 18: former local trust committee meeting the last one we had and i want to express my disappointment

[0:46:24] Voice 18: about your decision at the previous local trust committee meeting to not go ahead with the

[0:46:31] Voice 18: ecological protection zone project something that had been a priority for several years

[0:46:38] Voice 18: I am really sorry that this zone, which could be a holding place, not just for the three properties currently considered, the Elder Cedar, Burns Acres and Coates Marsh, but also for any sensitive ecological areas that may become available for protection in the future.

[0:46:55] Voice 18: I do understand why you might want to remove the Coates Marsh area due to conflicting opinions and support from the RDN Galt and the Nature Trust.

[0:47:06] Voice 18: However, even without Coats Marsh, the Ecological Protection Zone could still be one of the most important conservation aspects of the Gabriola Land Use By-law, especially when we know that zoning is a reliable way to ensure environmental protection.

[0:47:23] Voice 18: With all of the work that has gone into this project to date, and with the recommendations from staff that allow for various ways to move ahead on this zone,

[0:47:33] Voice 18: I wonder if you might reconsider the decision to not continue with this amendment to Gabriela's

[0:47:40] Voice 18: land use bylaw. It seems to me that all three of Planner Cox's recommendations including removing

[0:47:47] Voice 18: Coates Marsh Regional Park at this time would strengthen the Gabriela land use bylaw and the

[0:47:54] Voice 18: OCP without creating undue added work to the current projects list. I don't think that creating

[0:48:00] Voice 18: an ecological protection zone is in conflict with or redundant to the Coastal Douglas for

[0:48:06] Voice 18: protection work that is being done. It could just be an added level of protection, along with

[0:48:12] Voice 18: continued CDF mapping and development permit areas. As always, thank you all so very much for

[0:48:20] Voice 18: your good work on our behalf.

[0:48:24] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for your comments. I appreciate that. So the next person on

[0:48:30] Trustee Rogers: on our list is Phyllis Reeve.

[0:48:40] Trustee Rogers: So Phyllis, you now should be in a position

[0:48:43] Trustee Rogers: where you can unmute yourself

[0:48:48] Trustee Rogers: and if you wish to turn your camera on.

[0:48:53] Voice 19: I just got cut off for about a minute or so.

[0:48:57] Voice 19: That's why I disappeared.

[0:49:00] Voice 2: I just wanted a quick thought that came up

[0:49:04] Voice 2: when you were talking about your First Nations reports and you all said that you

[0:49:11] Voice 2: had to, were on a steep learning curve as indeed we all are, but just before the meeting began I

[0:49:20] Voice 2: received a message from New Society Publishers about a new book that I think is interesting

[0:49:25] Voice 2: and of course I can't remember the title but it's something like Indigenomics and so it's about

[0:49:32] Voice 2: about indigenous views of economics and it just it looks great i don't know anything about it but

[0:49:39] Voice 2: if you order it quickly you get a discount because it's not quite published anyway it just struck me

[0:49:45] Voice 2: because you were talking about it and that was it thank

[0:49:50] Trustee Rogers: you phyllis thank you for coming uh and then

[0:49:54] Trustee Rogers: we the

[0:49:55] Trustee Colbourne: author is carol ann hilton just um yeah and the new society is a gabriela publisher so um

[0:50:02] Trustee Colbourne: I have heard about the book and I'm, I'm, I will order it.

[0:50:06] Trustee Colbourne: I'm glad to hear that a discount deal. That's great news.

[0:50:11] Trustee Rogers: And then we have a former trustee Ferens, Debra Ferens.

[0:50:18] Trustee Rogers: Hello.

[0:50:30] Voice 1: I actually mistakenly put my hand up.

[0:50:34] Voice 1: Apologies.

[0:50:36] Voice 1: No problem.

[0:50:37] Voice 18: it was my brain and

[0:50:40] Trustee Rogers: i and i i see susan yates's hand up again and i i i i'm wondering whether

[0:50:46] Trustee Rogers: you have a second comment you wish to make soon you

[0:50:57] Voice 25: can't hear you no

[0:51:04] Voice 18: thank you but thank you

[0:51:06] Trustee Rogers: oh okay so both those hands were mistaken so thank you we've had i see no further hands

[0:51:12] Trustee Rogers: up we can move Susan back and I last opportunity if anybody wishes to speak

[0:51:20] Trustee Rogers: but I'm not hearing seeing any hands so I'll close the town hall thank you for

[0:51:25] Trustee Rogers: your comments so we're now on to item five on the agenda and the first thing

[0:51:33] Trustee Rogers: under item five is the is the local trust committee meeting minutes of

[0:51:42] Trustee Rogers: of January the 21st, and I turn to trustees.

[0:51:45] Trustee Rogers: Are there any comments or corrections from those minutes?

[0:51:49] Trustee Rogers: Not seeing any from trustee Longines, trustee Colburn, yeah.

[0:51:57] Trustee Colbourne: Page, just give me one second here.

[0:52:04] Trustee Colbourne: I've got, there's a new agenda package,

[0:52:05] Trustee Colbourne: so it's displaced the other one I had.

[0:52:07] Voice 3: No, that's fine.

[0:52:08] Trustee Colbourne: On page eight, under item 7.2,

[0:52:16] Trustee Colbourne: to trustee Coburn declared the conflict of duty not conflict of interest so I would like interest

[0:52:22] Trustee Colbourne: to be replaced with duty please

[0:52:25] Trustee Rogers: that yeah I noticed that as well I I couldn't remember the

[0:52:29] Trustee Rogers: exact phraseology and I'm fine with that okay thank

[0:52:32] Trustee Rogers: you do you have that uh Nadine got

[0:52:36] Voice 15: it okay

[0:52:37] Trustee Rogers: anything else from the minute yeah trustee Landry yeah

[0:52:41] Voice 19: yeah I forgot one thing it's I'll find it

[0:52:44] Voice 19: here on the same page uh it says uh under the discussion ensued in the following points were

[0:52:54] Voice 19: noted by trustees the second third bullet says interested in scheduling a community information

[0:52:59] Voice 19: meeting i think it was more that consider uh scheduling a community information meeting

[0:53:06] Voice 19: i think at that point you're probably correct yeah and then rather than which but as it is not

[0:53:13] Voice 19: a decision-making meeting so I think it should say as it will will consider a scheduling a

[0:53:20] Voice 19: community information meeting as it is not a decision-making meeting as I think that's closer

[0:53:27] Voice 19: to what we were talking

[0:53:28] Trustee Rogers: yeah that I that sounds accurate to me as well yeah so you okay with that

[0:53:33] Trustee Rogers: Nadine yeah

[0:53:35] Voice 15: that works thanks

[0:53:36] Trustee Rogers: very much anything else from either of the trustees if nothing then

[0:53:40] Trustee Rogers: then I'll take the minutes adopted,

[0:53:43] Trustee Rogers: sorry, approved as amended.

[0:53:48] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so the next item on the agenda then is

[0:53:53] Trustee Rogers: there are no resolutions without meetings

[0:53:55] Trustee Rogers: and there are no APC minutes.

[0:53:57] Trustee Rogers: So the next item is the follow-up action list

[0:54:00] Trustee Rogers: which starts on page 14.

[0:54:03] Trustee Rogers: And I don't know if, would that be you planners up in it?

[0:54:07] Trustee Rogers: Are you going to address that

[0:54:10] Trustee Rogers: or answer any questions?

[0:54:17] Planner Zupanec: Sorry, only if there's any questions from the trustees,

[0:54:20] Planner Zupanec: we've updated the follow-up action list.

[0:54:22] Trustee Rogers: Okay, then I'll turn to trustees.

[0:54:25] Trustee Rogers: Are there any questions related

[0:54:26] Trustee Rogers: to the follow-up action list?

[0:54:28] Trustee Rogers: Nothing from trustee Landry,

[0:54:30] Trustee Rogers: nothing from trustee Colburn, then we'll move on.

[0:54:32] Trustee Rogers: So the next item on the agenda is number 7.1,

[0:54:37] Trustee Rogers: which is the housing options and impact review project

[0:54:41] Trustee Rogers: development potential map on page 18.

[0:54:45] Trustee Rogers: and I believe that's over to you, Vanessa.

[0:54:48] Planner Zupanec: Thank you.

[0:54:51] Planner Zupanec: I'm just going to pull up the screen.

[0:54:55] Planner Zupanec: I'm having some issues with my Zoom.

[0:55:02] Planner Zupanec: So in your agenda package is a map that looks like this

[0:55:07] Planner Zupanec: attached to the memorandum.

[0:55:08] Planner Zupanec: However, the one that you have is outdated now.

[0:55:13] Planner Zupanec: So thank goodness for the words draft on the top.

[0:55:17] Planner Zupanec: As we discovered that the GIS script that we were using

[0:55:21] Planner Zupanec: was doing some inappropriate rounding up of numbers so there are some important changes in

[0:55:27] Planner Zupanec: the legend box which I will scroll down to because that seems to be the most interesting for

[0:55:33] Planner Zupanec: everybody's numbers in the lower left so a minor reduction in the number of lots with subdivision

[0:55:41] Planner Zupanec: potential than what you see in the agenda package so these are the updated numbers based on the most

[0:55:46] Planner Zupanec: recent GIS query with some of the corrections made we've removed the flat top islands as well

[0:55:51] Planner Zupanec: well as the Mudge Island data that was inadvertently showing up as well. So I can take any questions

[0:55:57] Planner Zupanec: around that. So I just wanted to show you this version, because this would be the PDF sort of

[0:56:03] Planner Zupanec: standalone map that would theoretically be available on your website as a quick reference,

[0:56:09] Planner Zupanec: easy access so that people don't have to navigate the GIS system. And I'll show that in a second

[0:56:17] Planner Zupanec: here too while sharing this go to the online portal are there any questions about that map

[0:56:32] Planner Zupanec: while i'm navigating my own desktop here um

[0:56:39] Trustee Colbourne: i've got a quick question so the in the legend

[0:56:41] Trustee Colbourne: and i i do have there's some let's call it tree care work going on around me so you'll hear some

[0:56:47] Trustee Colbourne: some crunching and crashing every once in a while um the number of parcels larger than two hectares

[0:56:54] Trustee Colbourne: in size in certain number of zones where permitted secondary suites are 636 is there a way to find

[0:57:00] Trustee Colbourne: out or quantify how many of those if because i don't think it'd be an application process

[0:57:07] Trustee Colbourne: necessarily so we may not see applications but what percentage of those may have secondary

[0:57:12] Trustee Colbourne: suites on them yeah

[0:57:14] Planner Zupanec: so this is where we get into a discussion about how would you like to direct

[0:57:18] Planner Zupanec: staff and think about over the next phase of this project to do further analysis on this because

[0:57:24] Planner Zupanec: because ultimately there's a whole bunch

[0:57:25] Planner Zupanec: of interesting stuff we can do to further tease out data.

[0:57:28] Planner Zupanec: So in your case, that question would require us

[0:57:30] Planner Zupanec: to cross-reference the regional district of Nanaimo

[0:57:34] Planner Zupanec: and the BC assessment data that's available

[0:57:36] Planner Zupanec: to determine how many of those parcels

[0:57:38] Planner Zupanec: have already constructed,

[0:57:40] Planner Zupanec: how many covenants have we received

[0:57:42] Planner Zupanec: for the secondary suite provisions that we currently have

[0:57:45] Planner Zupanec: and then update that data accordingly.

[0:57:48] Planner Zupanec: So that's analysis that requires at least one planner

[0:57:51] Planner Zupanec: and a GIS tech to do so we're not going to do that level if there's no appetite from the local

[0:57:57] Planner Zupanec: trust committee to have that finer detail but that can definitely be done yeah

[0:58:04] Trustee Colbourne: I was I'm not saying

[0:58:05] Trustee Colbourne: whether or not to do it I was wondering if technically there were a way to do it so that's

[0:58:08] Trustee Colbourne: interesting I think part of it is is I know we're going to be getting a quite fulsome report from

[0:58:13] Trustee Colbourne: the from the housing advisory planning group with their thing so some of that's going to guide

[0:58:17] Trustee Colbourne: our next batch of questions for this so that was my first question also just this is

[0:58:21] Trustee Colbourne: this is really amazing work this allows for decision making to take on a very much more

[0:58:26] Trustee Colbourne: quantitative um and and up-to-date aspect so this has been a real i've learned a lot from this even

[0:58:33] Trustee Colbourne: this process and what you've done so far is amazing yeah

[0:58:36] Planner Zupanec: we have two um because we do this

[0:58:38] Planner Zupanec: for some of the islands here and there as needed but we don't do it comprehensively across the

[0:58:43] Planner Zupanec: trust and i think that's a that's unfortunate because we keep learning and we should be

[0:58:47] Planner Zupanec: applying this to the whole federation not just you know to gabriola for example so we've really

[0:58:52] Planner Zupanec: refined this process for what i've coined the development potential map versus a subdivision

[0:58:57] Planner Zupanec: potential map so you can also provide me with suggested wording for what we call this but

[0:59:03] Planner Zupanec: this is really relevant data and everyone should have access to this especially the decision makers

[0:59:09] Planner Zupanec: but this is your draft sort of beta testing site for what we would release publicly it looks a lot

[0:59:16] Planner Zupanec: like what I showed you at your last meeting, we've updated the data. So I just wanted to

[0:59:20] Planner Zupanec: briefly take five minutes to walk you through the different layers that people could click on

[0:59:25] Planner Zupanec: and look at from their home computers. And we can make this live by the end of March

[0:59:32] Planner Zupanec: without any real difficulty. The caveat, of course, is that these numbers are very conservative.

[0:59:38] Planner Zupanec: There's a bunch of factors that we haven't put into place. So I know there's real data nerds

[0:59:44] Planner Zupanec: out there who want to dive into this stuff and find the exact numbers. But I have to say these

[0:59:51] Planner Zupanec: are on the conservative end of correct. And there's a whole layer of analysis that needs to take place.

[1:00:00] Planner Zupanec: really nail it down to the exact figure so if you can just keep this in mind this is still draft

[1:00:04] Planner Zupanec: it's conceptual but it is factual to a certain margin of error. So I will just walk you through

[1:00:13] Planner Zupanec: the different levels quickly and just interrupt me if you have questions as I move through the

[1:00:18] Planner Zupanec: different layers of data. As I click on the different layers the map gets progressively

[1:00:22] Planner Zupanec: more difficult to read so I will be turning layers off and on just to show you for information

[1:00:27] Planner Zupanec: purposes only and then you can contact me individually even people who are watching

[1:00:32] Planner Zupanec: if you have questions about this. Okay so this is the just the water course layer for Gabriela

[1:00:39] Planner Zupanec: Island. I'm going to click on the aquifer vulnerability layer which identifies which

[1:00:44] Planner Zupanec: portions of the island are the most vulnerable to saltwater intrusion. So we understand and know

[1:00:50] Planner Zupanec: that areas within a kilometer of the shoreline are typically those areas that have the highest

[1:00:56] Planner Zupanec: risk of vulnerability so you'll see when I click this the map gets very busy and then the great

[1:01:02] Planner Zupanec: thing here is that we can click on the legend and people can see what that rating is built right in

[1:01:08] Planner Zupanec: and then there's also a data anyway we have referencing the data for each layer as well

[1:01:17] Planner Zupanec: so sorry I haven't quite got that up yet but each layer will be referenced so that people

[1:01:23] Planner Zupanec: understand where we're pulling this data set from. I'll turn this off because this is a very,

[1:01:29] Planner Zupanec: so the coastal Douglas fir forest ecosystem map looks something like this and the legend

[1:01:36] Planner Zupanec: here shows the classifications of young, mature and old forest and then we have a data reference

[1:01:43] Planner Zupanec: for this data layer as well and then the blank portions that you're seeing we just as last night

[1:01:52] Planner Zupanec: We're trying to reference, we know some of these are protected areas and cleared areas.

[1:01:57] Planner Zupanec: So we think that that's it.

[1:01:59] Planner Zupanec: But I haven't gotten full confirmation that there isn't some other data set showing up

[1:02:03] Planner Zupanec: here.

[1:02:04] Planner Zupanec: So agricultural areas, logged areas at the time that this analysis was done, or protected

[1:02:12] Planner Zupanec: like the RDN park, for example, shows up in this as well.

[1:02:15] Planner Zupanec: just move up to the next level which is our steep slopes data and the legend we do need to make some

[1:02:27] Planner Zupanec: changes here so it's a bit more clear what the grade is for the steep slopes here so you can

[1:02:33] Planner Zupanec: just see the typical areas of gabriela island that we all recognize as having steep slopes

[1:02:38] Planner Zupanec: and we'll we'll put in some additional information in the legend in terms of slope classification

[1:02:45] Planner Zupanec: I'm going to skip over some of these, so I'm going to go to vacant lots.

[1:02:54] Planner Zupanec: So this is the mapping that shows the location of those lots, which we have determined through

[1:02:58] Planner Zupanec: VC assessment, that have not been constructed with the commercial or residential use.

[1:03:08] Planner Zupanec: And then this is the building footprint data, which shows the physical distribution of buildings

[1:03:14] Planner Zupanec: and structures on individual parcels.

[1:03:19] Planner Zupanec: The agricultural land reserves are a bit hard to see, so we will update that.

[1:03:23] Planner Zupanec: it's the diagonal black lines that show up on your screen. The Crownland parcels,

[1:03:31] Planner Zupanec: the protected area parcels, show up in a hot pink. And that includes the marine area for the

[1:03:38] Planner Zupanec: rockfish conservation area. And this is the layer that everyone's really interested in.

[1:03:48] Planner Zupanec: It shows up much nicer on the map, the PDF map that I had earlier, but we'll just zoom in here

[1:03:53] Planner Zupanec: to show you the numbers show up on the parcels themselves so this is the additional number of

[1:04:01] Planner Zupanec: lots just to clarify so it sub the script for the gis subtracts the parent parcel from that

[1:04:08] Planner Zupanec: calculation so it's in addition to when you're looking at those numbers and that total number

[1:04:15] Planner Zupanec: of lots with subdivision potential or 53 and the total number of additional lots if all of those

[1:04:20] Planner Zupanec: were subdivided would be 143 and that reduces the parent parcel from that that's in addition

[1:04:28] Planner Zupanec: to the parent process okay so that those are the layers that we've got to date i've identified some

[1:04:34] Planner Zupanec: of the things that we need to still work on uh i guess i'm just looking for general questions or

[1:04:42] Planner Zupanec: comments to indicate whether or not you're comfortable with something like this being

[1:04:46] Planner Zupanec: uploaded to the public site for use with the caveat that this is still draft that your housing

[1:04:52] Planner Zupanec: options and impacts review project would likely fine-tune this on a continuous basis pending

[1:04:57] Planner Zupanec: political direction to staff on what you would like us to spend time doing because as I've

[1:05:03] Planner Zupanec: mentioned there's a number of great pieces of data that we could still mine through the province and

[1:05:08] Planner Zupanec: the RDN in coordination with what we have access to to come up with some better ideas but until

[1:05:15] Planner Zupanec: you've determined what the scope of your regulatory changes might be that's likely how we should

[1:05:22] Planner Zupanec: fine-tune the data collection to support that or to to inform your interest in exploring certain

[1:05:29] Planner Zupanec: regulatory options and i suspect that that's going to come after you've looked at the recommendations

[1:05:35] Planner Zupanec: from the housing advisory planning commission which looks like you'll have something in april

[1:05:40] Planner Zupanec: so this is a placeholder to say we've done a lot of the background work we're ready when you are

[1:05:46] Planner Zupanec: we would still like to launch these layers publicly because there isn't much discrepancy

[1:05:51] Planner Zupanec: and the layers themselves the subdivision potential data is what it is but we think

[1:05:57] Planner Zupanec: there's a lot of merit in having this information available now to the public

[1:06:00] Planner Zupanec: and then once you've got the report from the HAPC you can then just determine which direction this

[1:06:07] Planner Zupanec: project is headed what kind of data do you need to support your analysis of those regulatory or

[1:06:12] Planner Zupanec: policy options so happy to take any questions or comments at this time trustee

[1:06:18] Voice 19: Langer yeah yeah I

[1:06:19] Voice 19: I do. Thank you very much. I do like playing with the map system, although it is a challenge

[1:06:25] Voice 19: at times to figure out all the layers and when you're applying or not applying them.

[1:06:30] Voice 19: Just a couple of questions. One is the Kensington central, Gabriela central lands aren't included.

[1:06:36] Voice 19: And to me, that is a land that potentially will be Sonoma land and under the jurisdiction of the

[1:06:43] Voice 19: the Gabriel the bylaws, you know,

[1:06:45] Voice 19: if they do accept it in the negotiations.

[1:06:48] Voice 19: So I would, I guess I would like,

[1:06:50] Voice 19: is there a way of putting that in as well,

[1:06:53] Voice 19: or is there a reason to exclude it, I guess?

[1:06:56] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, the reason that they've been excluded from this

[1:06:58] Planner Zupanec: is because there's no certainty at this point in time,

[1:07:01] Planner Zupanec: whether those lands will be under the jurisdiction

[1:07:03] Planner Zupanec: of the local trust committee.

[1:07:05] Planner Zupanec: Well, whether those would be potentially reserve land.

[1:07:08] Planner Zupanec: So we we've just taken them out of the equation completely

[1:07:11] Planner Zupanec: to focus on the lands that currently are zoned for development potential so so we're not creating

[1:07:18] Planner Zupanec: any hypothesis but we could definitely create a some sort of information note to clarify for

[1:07:23] Planner Zupanec: people that there is x hectares of land referred to or commonly referred to historically as whatever

[1:07:31] Planner Zupanec: and then we can identify that that exists in the data set but that the analysis for those lands

[1:07:37] Planner Zupanec: is inconclusive until such a time that a decision has been made as to what the status of those lines

[1:07:44] Planner Zupanec: is okay

[1:07:45] Voice 19: i i was under the impression that it wouldn't become a reserve land that they were

[1:07:49] Voice 19: negotiating uh ownership but through a private corporation you know their own corporation but

[1:07:57] Voice 19: i

[1:07:58] Trustee Colbourne: don't think we i don't think we know enough about the no

[1:08:00] Voice 19: no that land

[1:08:01] Trustee Colbourne: or the different

[1:08:01] Trustee Colbourne: options i kind of see what the plan is

[1:08:03] Voice 19: saying yeah yeah okay uh the other one is the uh

[1:08:07] Voice 19: summary the zone descriptions when I went to the summary level thing there's there's a lot of zone

[1:08:15] Voice 19: descriptions that there's resource and there's two resource zones so there's just I think you

[1:08:21] Voice 19: may find some people get confused if they go to that those details and what I actually so that's

[1:08:29] Voice 19: the other one is just a confusion that may ring because I couldn't quite understand you know I

[1:08:35] Voice 1: think

[1:08:35] Voice 19: that it's probably the program just needs to be tweaked somehow to bring them together because

[1:08:40] Voice 19: they seem to be separate. But I do really appreciate having this this ability to be

[1:08:47] Voice 19: able to look at things like that and all of the various layers. Yeah I think that's what I

[1:08:54] Voice 19: personally I'm really supportive of this and I do like data so I would the more data the better even

[1:09:01] Voice 19: Even if we can get, you know, I don't know if that's possible, a listing of by zone, the subdivision, or do we just have to look on each lot?

[1:09:12] Voice 19: I mean, that's one way of doing it.

[1:09:14] Voice 19: Look at each lot and look at the zoning.

[1:09:16] Planner Zupanec: That's what a GIS system does.

[1:09:18] Planner Zupanec: So, yeah, those are all

[1:09:19] Voice 19: other

[1:09:20] Planner Zupanec: levels of the querying of the GIS system that I don't want to ask the GIS department to do at this point if it's not going to be instrumental to advance your project in a certain direction.

[1:09:31] Voice 19: but

[1:09:32] Planner Zupanec: those are all things that we can do for sure.

[1:09:34] Planner Zupanec: Yeah. Yeah.

[1:09:35] Voice 19: So I'm supportive of it moving ahead and developing it.

[1:09:40] Voice 19: Trustee Colbert.

[1:09:41] Trustee Colbourne: I have a question about the work that the freshwater specialist of the

[1:09:44] Trustee Colbourne: trust will show is doing and how that will be integrated with this or how

[1:09:48] Trustee Colbourne: that will change how we look at the water mapping.

[1:09:51] Trustee Colbourne: I think that's a really crucial part of this,

[1:09:52] Trustee Colbourne: where we look at where the residential uses are,

[1:09:55] Trustee Colbourne: where there isn't sufficient water. As we get those updated, you know,

[1:09:59] Trustee Colbourne: really mining the data that's out there from provincial and other

[1:10:01] Trustee Colbourne: other regulatory authorities, including the RDN, to figure out where the water is, where is the

[1:10:05] Trustee Colbourne: residential use, how can we actually maximize the protection of the water source and aquifers

[1:10:12] Trustee Colbourne: according to the data that we have now.

[1:10:16] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, absolutely. We're hoping that that's

[1:10:18] Planner Zupanec: also going to be useful data for you in the next phase of your project, even just the distribution

[1:10:23] Planner Zupanec: of the location of the wells, just incorporating all that data into a one-stop place is going to

[1:10:29] Planner Zupanec: to be super helpful but williams data won't be available for some time i understand and so that

[1:10:36] Planner Zupanec: is a future endeavor that might not dovetail with your decision making process for this phase of the

[1:10:43] Planner Zupanec: project it's unfortunate but you know we're hoping that as soon as we have something that's been

[1:10:48] Planner Zupanec: vetted approved peer reviewed that we can include it into the system yeah

[1:10:54] Voice 19: uh the other thing i was

[1:10:56] Voice 19: thinking of was the uh the coastal douglas fir like the cabin report that came out recently

[1:11:01] Voice 19: whether that was used or applied to i'm not sure what the source of the uh coastal douglas for

[1:11:09] Voice 19: mapping is currently yeah

[1:11:14] Planner Zupanec: we can check the sourcing for that layer of data i just don't

[1:11:17] Planner Zupanec: have that no

[1:11:18] Trustee Colbourne: no okay um and then the one other thing and i maybe i just couldn't find it but

[1:11:23] Trustee Colbourne: privately managed forest lands i know we don't have the same percentage that a galliano does

[1:11:27] Trustee Colbourne: and I know that mapping exists and I don't know if that changes all that much but

[1:11:31] Trustee Colbourne: maybe I just couldn't find it within this layering within this certain section but I was wondering if

[1:11:35] Trustee Colbourne: that's captured in this at all from a from a logging standards point of view no

[1:11:41] Planner Zupanec: it's not but

[1:11:42] Planner Zupanec: that is something that could be added yeah

[1:11:47] Voice 19: it's it'd be probably it'd be zoned forestry I would

[1:11:51] Voice 19: assume but maybe not but

[1:11:55] Trustee Rogers: the distinction between a lot that's PMFL and one that's not okay it

[1:12:01] Trustee Rogers: It might be an important thing for you to understand

[1:12:03] Trustee Rogers: in terms of the regulatory control you have over it.

[1:12:07] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[1:12:08] Trustee Colbourne: I think we should have a really firm understanding

[1:12:10] Trustee Colbourne: of what regulatory control we have

[1:12:12] Trustee Colbourne: over tree cutting and practices and where we don't.

[1:12:16] Trustee Colbourne: I know there's some advocacy work going on

[1:12:17] Trustee Colbourne: from some motions that came out of previous trust councils,

[1:12:21] Trustee Colbourne: but from a preserve and protect standpoint

[1:12:25] Trustee Colbourne: and from land use as it stands right now in 2021,

[1:12:28] Trustee Colbourne: that's a definite, definite concern.

[1:12:31] Trustee Rogers: It is a concern and having been part of the Galliano LTC, of course, they have a lot of

[1:12:37] Trustee Rogers: PMFLs and that's a constant concern because we can pass regulations, but if any of them

[1:12:46] Trustee Rogers: quote unquote impact forestry, they're not effective.

[1:12:50] Trustee Rogers: And that's a simplification of the limitations, but we are limited, the local trust committee

[1:12:57] Trustee Rogers: and all local governments are limited in what they can do in relation to PMFL so and that's

[1:13:04] Trustee Rogers: part of the advocacy you're right I have a couple of one other point I just want to say I've seen

[1:13:10] Trustee Rogers: some of the data from the southern islands related to the water work that was done there

[1:13:18] Trustee Rogers: I've seen Maine and Galliano's preliminary work I don't think it's finalized yet I'm going to

[1:13:25] Trustee Rogers: suggest that it's probably going to end up on a separate map because it has its own 10 or 12

[1:13:32] Trustee Rogers: different layers of work um and but it will be extremely useful hopefully and for exactly the

[1:13:38] Trustee Rogers: reason that you mentioned trustee Colburn um and it it is uh identifying not only private wells

[1:13:46] Trustee Rogers: but aquifers and well flows and all sorts of all sorts of data you can go to um uh if you're

[1:13:55] Trustee Rogers: interest, I can forward, but if you go to either the Galliano or the Maine or any of the

[1:14:00] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee reports from the end of last year, you'll see a report from William Shuba,

[1:14:06] Trustee Rogers: which sort of sets out what the various data layers are that they are developing at this stage.

[1:14:12] Trustee Rogers: I haven't seen it in an interactive form yet, but maybe that's coming. I'm guessing it would

[1:14:18] Trustee Rogers: make sense that it wasn't coming. The other thing I wanted to ask the planner was,

[1:14:24] Trustee Rogers: was, do you have any idea whether this work that you've done here for Gabriola is happening

[1:14:31] Trustee Rogers: in other parts of the Trust? And sometimes it's called, I've heard people refer to what's

[1:14:37] Trustee Rogers: called a build-out map, but that's just one of the data layers. Do you know if this work

[1:14:45] Trustee Rogers: is actually going on elsewhere?

[1:14:47] Planner Zupanec: It's going on in different forms and shapes. This is by far the most comprehensive one

[1:14:54] Planner Zupanec: that the GIS department's done with the planner

[1:14:57] Planner Zupanec: where it's really teasing out a bunch of data sets,

[1:15:00] Planner Zupanec: putting it together and putting it interactive

[1:15:01] Planner Zupanec: versus a set of 12 PDF maps.

[1:15:04] Planner Zupanec: So that's why we're suggesting this also could be

[1:15:07] Planner Zupanec: the infant of a potential federation-wide initiative

[1:15:11] Planner Zupanec: to ensure that the data is consistent across the LTAs,

[1:15:14] Planner Zupanec: the local trust areas,

[1:15:16] Planner Zupanec: that is representing the same layers of data

[1:15:20] Planner Zupanec: that we're not calling it different things

[1:15:21] Planner Zupanec: from one local trust area to another,

[1:15:23] Planner Zupanec: that we're using BC assessment in a coordinated approach

[1:15:27] Planner Zupanec: as opposed to one planner for Gabriola,

[1:15:29] Planner Zupanec: one planner from Gambier.

[1:15:30] Planner Zupanec: These are all opportunities for vast improvement

[1:15:34] Planner Zupanec: to how we coordinate and look at development potential

[1:15:37] Planner Zupanec: across the islands versus on a case-by-case basis

[1:15:39] Planner Zupanec: in a sort of reactionary way.

[1:15:41] Planner Zupanec: So I think-

[1:15:43] Trustee Rogers: Totally agree.

[1:15:44] Trustee Rogers: And one of the reasons I'm asking the question is,

[1:15:47] Trustee Rogers: and so my next question is,

[1:15:49] Trustee Rogers: is what do you need specifically from us?

[1:15:51] Trustee Rogers: I heard you ask the question,

[1:15:52] Trustee Rogers: and whether we're comfortable with you putting it up

[1:15:54] Trustee Rogers: as making a public document as a,

[1:15:58] Trustee Rogers: I think you're still calling it a draft,

[1:16:00] Trustee Rogers: but a work in progress by the end of this month.

[1:16:03] Trustee Rogers: And do you want a motion if so related to that?

[1:16:05] Trustee Rogers: And the second thing is,

[1:16:07] Trustee Rogers: what can I do perhaps of taking this work

[1:16:12] Trustee Rogers: or will you just work internally with your RPM

[1:16:14] Trustee Rogers: and the director and the regional planning team

[1:16:18] Trustee Rogers: to sort of take this kind of model out

[1:16:20] Trustee Rogers: and take it elsewhere?

[1:16:23] Planner Zupanec: I don't necessarily need a resolution today.

[1:16:25] Planner Zupanec: I think that the draft is sufficient for posting to the Gabriel Project site for the Housing

[1:16:31] Planner Zupanec: Options and Tax Review Project and to replace the 2010 that's on your website currently

[1:16:36] Planner Zupanec: as a draft.

[1:16:37] Planner Zupanec: So that's what I'm suggesting we would do immediately is just post the PDF on the websites

[1:16:43] Planner Zupanec: and launch this website quietly.

[1:16:48] Planner Zupanec: So it's just there.

[1:16:49] Planner Zupanec: And really, once your project gets going, that's when I'll be looking for specific resolutions pertaining to data layers and analysis based on those documents.

[1:17:01] Planner Zupanec: So if you're okay with that, that's the approach we'll take after today.

[1:17:05] Planner Zupanec: I don't need any decisions, just nods of, yeah, let's do this.

[1:17:08] Planner Zupanec: And then once you get the staff report, post your HAPC recommendations,

[1:17:13] Planner Zupanec: recommendations you need to then determine what level of analysis you'd like us to continue to do

[1:17:18] Planner Zupanec: in terms of the federation-wide possibilities we're always looking for ways to leverage our

[1:17:27] Planner Zupanec: staff voices so if there's abilities and opportunities for a more coordinated approach

[1:17:34] Planner Zupanec: that would be great we will continue to advocate for that but it's really up to each LTC to

[1:17:40] Planner Zupanec: to determine where they want work to be done.

[1:17:44] Planner Zupanec: And there isn't a lot of extra people kicking around

[1:17:46] Planner Zupanec: looking for projects to do, so.

[1:17:48] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, and I appreciate that.

[1:17:51] Trustee Rogers: I talked a little bit about this last night

[1:17:54] Trustee Rogers: in the virtual town hall about the fact

[1:17:57] Trustee Rogers: that we're trying to find ways to be more coordinated

[1:17:59] Trustee Rogers: in our approach to issues as they arise.

[1:18:02] Trustee Rogers: And this is the kind of data information.

[1:18:04] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate that there's a lot of work involved in this.

[1:18:06] Trustee Rogers: I don't know how much time has been spent,

[1:18:08] Trustee Rogers: but this very much looks like a project that would be useful in all sorts of areas,

[1:18:16] Trustee Rogers: all sorts of local trust areas, particularly those that are facing development pressures,

[1:18:21] Trustee Rogers: but maybe more useful on North Pender than on Gambier, for example. But even on Gambier,

[1:18:26] Trustee Rogers: it'd be useful information. So let me think about how I or we as a local trust committee might

[1:18:35] Trustee Rogers: um recommend that work get done of course it's all resources right any other questions are from

[1:18:45] Trustee Rogers: the trustees or comments no okay thank you very much for this then um we'll look forward to the

[1:18:52] Trustee Rogers: housing options uh report uh hapc and then we can make some decisions about this um then that's 7.1

[1:19:01] Trustee Rogers: and uh the next item is 7.2 which is now we've already talked a little bit about the active

[1:19:06] Trustee Rogers: of transportation grant I asked to be put on there but both you and the trustee Colburn and the

[1:19:13] Trustee Rogers: and the regional director commented on it is there anything further staff or the trust or

[1:19:18] Trustee Rogers: trustee Colburn you'd like to add related to this matter uh

[1:19:23] Trustee Colbourne: no just just um I guess we'll have to

[1:19:26] Trustee Colbourne: kind of talk now about the practical application of this and and just getting it started um and

[1:19:32] Trustee Colbourne: that'll be a conversation with with UBCM and also the RDN and the chamber of commerce here and then

[1:19:37] Trustee Colbourne: And I believe we'll put this out to find a consultant

[1:19:40] Trustee Colbourne: who can do this project scoping

[1:19:42] Trustee Colbourne: to talk about the ferry to the village.

[1:19:46] Trustee Colbourne: And I know a lot of work has been going on

[1:19:49] Trustee Colbourne: on the village way trail and path.

[1:19:53] Trustee Colbourne: And there's a real opportunity here

[1:19:55] Trustee Colbourne: to kind of merge the approach that's being taken there,

[1:19:58] Trustee Colbourne: which is to do that in a more of a rural character kind of way.

[1:20:03] Trustee Colbourne: And then also the Sinema First Nation.

[1:20:04] Trustee Colbourne: We talked earlier about getting involved earlier in the process as opposed to a referral and part

[1:20:10] Trustee Colbourne: of the way that we structured this application for the grant was to make sure that participation

[1:20:14] Trustee Colbourne: of CNAMIC happened at the front end of things and so that's something that came up in the

[1:20:19] Trustee Colbourne: protocol discussion that I was involved with and it'll be part of the discussions we'll have at

[1:20:25] Trustee Colbourne: the next meeting as well just making sure that CNAMIC is aware that there's some capacity funding

[1:20:29] Trustee Colbourne: and an opportunity here to talk about how we all respect and recognize the territory that we're

[1:20:35] Trustee Colbourne: entering and leaving as we board the ferry. So just really excited to see where this goes and

[1:20:42] Trustee Colbourne: to see where this type of a collaborative approach to planning can take us.

[1:20:48] Trustee Rogers: So I see that Planner's

[1:20:51] Trustee Rogers: Lupinich turned her camera off, and I sort of got the impression it might have been the RPM that was

[1:20:56] Trustee Rogers: is the staffing resource for this,

[1:20:58] Trustee Rogers: but I'm not sure where the staffing resource

[1:21:00] Trustee Rogers: for this project comes from.

[1:21:02] Trustee Rogers: Yes, go ahead, Sonia.

[1:21:04] Planner Zupanec: Yep, that's me.

[1:21:05] Trustee Rogers: Oh, that is you, okay.

[1:21:08] Trustee Rogers: So that's your, so do you have any update you want to give

[1:21:12] Trustee Rogers: or any perspective at this stage?

[1:21:15] Planner Zupanec: Not yet, no, I'll wait till we work behind the scenes

[1:21:18] Planner Zupanec: with a little bit more clarity on next steps.

[1:21:21] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, well, yeah, my main objective

[1:21:23] Trustee Rogers: was to make sure it was announced.

[1:21:24] Trustee Rogers: So we've done that. Thank you very much for your work on this, trustees, and particularly your initiative, Trustee Colbert, on getting this on our agenda.

[1:21:33] Trustee Rogers: So anything further related to that before I move on?

[1:21:39] Trustee Rogers: OK, so the next item on the agenda then is 8.1, which is the Gabriel Housing Society Housing Agreement Staff Report.

[1:21:49] Trustee Rogers: support. So that starts at page 21 of the agenda. I'm going to invite Planner DiBena to join us.

[1:21:55] Trustee Rogers: And also I saw Ian Scott and Nancy Hetherington-Pierce. So I'm going to suggest they

[1:22:05] Trustee Rogers: could be promoted for the moment in case they wish to speak to this. And we'll find a way to

[1:22:12] Trustee Rogers: work our way through this as soon as I find, I don't see unless it's not on my screen. There

[1:22:19] Trustee Rogers: there you are. I've got to readjust my screen somehow so that I need to turn off. How do I turn

[1:22:27] Trustee Rogers: off people whose cameras aren't on?

[1:22:34] Voice 7: You just need to right click on the box, like any black box that

[1:22:40] Voice 7: only has their name, right click on it and choose. Got

[1:22:44] Trustee Rogers: it. Got it. Thank you. That's much better. Now

[1:22:52] Trustee Rogers: So let me go first to Planner Dabena.

[1:22:54] Trustee Rogers: I, you can promote those two people

[1:23:00] Trustee Rogers: and I'll ask them to leave their cameras off

[1:23:02] Trustee Rogers: until such time as we, I turn to the applicant,

[1:23:05] Trustee Rogers: but I'll get the staff report questions from trustees

[1:23:08] Trustee Rogers: related to the staff report.

[1:23:09] Trustee Rogers: And then we'll hear from the applicant

[1:23:13] Trustee Rogers: and then we'll have a discussion

[1:23:17] Trustee Rogers: about how we want to go forward.

[1:23:19] Trustee Rogers: So over to you Planner Dabena.

[1:23:25] Voice 8: sorry i have three screens thank you chair um so just briefly i'll start by saying there's been an

[1:23:33] Voice 8: update to the recommendations um so staff are no longer recommending to proceed with second and

[1:23:41] Voice 8: third reading for this um housing agreement um since the staff report was submitted and approved

[1:23:47] Voice 8: um to meet the agenda deadline for this meeting staff have met with the name of first nation staff

[1:23:53] Voice 8: and so they do have requested additional time to review the housing agreement and

[1:23:57] Voice 8: would provide comment so staff are presenting an alternate recommendation

[1:24:02] Voice 8: which I do have typed up and can share in this but I don't have to I can just

[1:24:09] Voice 8: read it and then pop it up later because I know we're going to discuss some of

[1:24:12] Voice 8: the amendments so so the new recommendation from staff is that the

[1:24:16] Voice 8: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee not proceed with further readings by law

[1:24:20] Voice 8: by-law 308, cited as Gibraltar Housing Agreement by-law number 308, 2020 in respect of the

[1:24:26] Voice 8: proposed housing agreement for application GBRZ 2020.1 until comments are received from

[1:24:31] Voice 8: Sunanimo First Nation.

[1:24:34] Voice 8: So while staff are not recommending to proceed with further readings, the report does present

[1:24:40] Voice 8: proposed agreements and they've been presented in several ways in a table and then as track

[1:24:46] Voice 8: changes in the attachment three.

[1:24:55] Voice 8: I did want to note that there's just for clarification, table one, starting on page 24, which presents the first reading worrying if there's any and then proposed amendments and then comments in the comment column, where it states trustee proposed amendment, that is strictly

[1:25:15] Voice 8: specifically or sorry that's just to let just to communicate that the proposed amendment has

[1:25:22] Voice 8: been initiated by the trustees but the wording that is before you may not have been a trustee

[1:25:28] Voice 8: you know written language it's it's been worked on by legal counsel and also by the housing society

[1:25:34] Voice 8: so I just wanted to clarify that so all proposed amendments have been reviewed and edited by the

[1:25:40] Voice 8: applicants and legal counsel um and i can take questions i'll just stop there um

[1:25:48] Trustee Rogers: trustees i i

[1:25:49] Trustee Rogers: know there's a number of questions comments issues related to the proposed amendments

[1:25:55] Trustee Rogers: um and i i've been trying to think of a way to work through this uh in terms of the specific

[1:26:02] Trustee Rogers: proposed amendments my first question is uh for each of the trustees is um effectively what the

[1:26:10] Trustee Rogers: the effectively what the um the planner has indicated that is that um she's recommending

[1:26:18] Trustee Rogers: that we not go forward with recommendations to the six but that we go through um number

[1:26:24] Trustee Rogers: number one and and try and work our way through what the wording and the housing agreement

[1:26:30] Trustee Rogers: from our perspective should be and i should have that my understanding is that and you can correct

[1:26:37] Trustee Rogers: Correct me if I'm wrong, Clarence, the, well, I actually, I, you know what, I shouldn't say that.

[1:26:43] Trustee Rogers: Would the FAMICL do the review they would do? I did, I was going to comment on what I think

[1:26:48] Trustee Rogers: they're focused on, but they may be focused on any number of things of that. I will just leave that

[1:26:52] Trustee Rogers: for, for them to tell us what they're interested in. So, or what they want to review. So I guess

[1:27:00] Trustee Rogers: the question I have for trustees, are you comfortable going through at least the, the,

[1:27:05] Trustee Rogers: the language that's been put before us and from our perspective giving some direction to what we

[1:27:11] Trustee Rogers: would like to see then knowing that that presuming we accept the recommendation not to give it second

[1:27:16] Trustee Rogers: and third reading.

[1:27:19] Trustee Colbourne: I'd appreciate an opportunity seeing as we do have the applicants and the

[1:27:22] Trustee Colbourne: proponents here just to hear because they provided a letter and there's some you know talking about

[1:27:27] Trustee Colbourne: some of these options that are presented and discussed today and obviously I'd like to create

[1:27:31] Trustee Colbourne: a safe space for SNAEMUC to be able to come back to us with whatever ideas and feedback the nation

[1:27:38] Trustee Colbourne: has. So I kind of opened up the opportunity to see if we can get some feedback from the Housing

[1:27:44] Trustee Colbourne: Society or their representative about what the timelines are that we may not be aware of in terms

[1:27:50] Trustee Colbourne: of when and where the housing agreement fits into the application. I know from the meetings I've

[1:27:57] Trustee Colbourne: held at the health and wellness collaborative the update that was given then um you know the

[1:28:02] Trustee Colbourne: april or something like that was decision date and certainly the proponent can speak to that

[1:28:06] Trustee Colbourne: better than i can so okay i kind of want to

[1:28:08] Trustee Colbourne: hear that before that's fine

[1:28:09] Trustee Rogers: and then that's fair so

[1:28:11] Trustee Rogers: let's uh again i i see that mr scott and miss heatherington pierce are still in the attendees

[1:28:17] Trustee Rogers: list can we promote them well please and i think those are the only two representatives that i

[1:28:26] Trustee Rogers: I recognize anyway, the names of.

[1:28:28] Trustee Rogers: So there's Mr. Scott and then was Heather and Tim Pierce.

[1:28:38] Trustee Rogers: There you are.

[1:28:39] Trustee Rogers: So I think the question from Trustee Coldren is pretty clear.

[1:28:46] Trustee Rogers: Do you need any restatement of it?

[1:28:49] Trustee Rogers: Or are you understanding both the recommendation from staff

[1:28:53] Trustee Rogers: and we're getting the second and third reading

[1:28:56] Trustee Rogers: and any timing issues that may arise.

[1:29:01] Trustee Rogers: So over to you.

[1:29:03] Voice 23: Yes, thank you very much for having us again.

[1:29:07] Voice 23: And thank you to Planner Dabina.

[1:29:09] Voice 23: She did give us a heads up before the meeting

[1:29:12] Voice 23: that the staff recommendation would be changing,

[1:29:15] Voice 23: and we totally respect that recommendation.

[1:29:18] Voice 23: We have

[1:29:19] Voice 23: in the past tried to have a dialogue

[1:29:23] Voice 23: with the name of First Nation about the project

[1:29:25] Voice 23: and haven't been successful.

[1:29:28] Voice 23: And so this is, I think, useful.

[1:29:32] Voice 23: Delaying, you know, whatever process you take today

[1:29:34] Voice 23: and not setting it up for adoption at the next meeting

[1:29:39] Voice 23: is not an issue for us in our timelines at this point.

[1:29:44] Voice 23: And so I think, you know, we should let that process play out.

[1:29:48] Voice 23: I was thinking, though, potentially,

[1:29:51] Voice 23: just so it's really tidy,

[1:29:53] Voice 23: the possibility of accepting the various proposed changes to the housing agreement and giving it second.

[1:30:00] Voice 23: reading might be something you might consider. And so we have a clean version that could be

[1:30:05] Voice 23: further amended based on a comment from Sunaymuk, if appropriate. But I'll leave that to you to make

[1:30:11] Voice 23: that decision one way or the other. You know, really what our request is, is that, you know,

[1:30:17] Voice 23: up until this point, we've had various suggestions come from individual trustees, but it hasn't been

[1:30:23] Voice 23: in a sort of a unified voice from the trust committee.

[1:30:27] Voice 23: And so whatever method you use

[1:30:30] Voice 23: to give us that information, that would be great.

[1:30:33] Voice 23: So that if there's anything we've remained concerned about,

[1:30:36] Voice 23: you know, we know how to respond

[1:30:38] Voice 23: a little bit more effectively.

[1:30:40] Voice 23: What we've tried to do is respect all the input

[1:30:42] Voice 23: we've gotten, understand what the legal review said,

[1:30:44] Voice 23: you know, consider, you know,

[1:30:47] Voice 23: the programs that we're involved in

[1:30:49] Voice 23: and try to get to something that is,

[1:30:51] Voice 23: you know, that works for everybody.

[1:30:53] Voice 23: so thank you for that and uh pass it back to you okay thanks does

[1:30:57] Voice 25: that answer your question

[1:30:58] Voice 25: trustee colbert yes

[1:31:01] Trustee Colbourne: it does it does yeah okay

[1:31:04] Trustee Rogers: so i mean i i have a point of view about how to go

[1:31:08] Trustee Rogers: through this but i'm happy to hear from trustees i mean my my sense is is that we could go through

[1:31:13] Trustee Rogers: the red line version and sort of discuss the language that's proposed in the red line version

[1:31:18] Trustee Rogers: That seems to be the clearest place where all of the proposed amendments are captured, and it seems to me what occurred was both you, Trustee Colburn, and you, Trustee Longerize, made some suggestions, and Trustee Longerize's were not in the form of specific language, but areas or issues and considerations, and then the languages appeared and may not match what the intent was.

[1:31:44] Trustee Rogers: was so that's just my suggestion and if you're willing to do that we could go through that but

[1:31:49] Trustee Rogers: I see trying to keep Christy along your eyes with your hand up yeah

[1:31:53] Voice 19: yeah I just I do have

[1:31:55] Voice 19: some I have some questions actually and I do have some what I say potential amendments to propose

[1:32:03] Voice 19: we can go through it section by section there was some are just general queries and understanding

[1:32:09] Voice 19: And when I read things again, I just want to clarify a couple of points.

[1:32:15] Voice 3: So

[1:32:16] Trustee Rogers: what I'm going to suggest is, are there other areas besides those that are identified by redline?

[1:32:24] Trustee Rogers: Yes,

[1:32:25] Voice 19: there are.

[1:32:26] Trustee Rogers: Oh, there are. Okay.

[1:32:31] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So, but I don't know, maybe it's the way my brain works, but I just sort of work my way through the document.

[1:32:40] Trustee Rogers: and see if we can all agree,

[1:32:42] Trustee Rogers: if we all agree on a particular change,

[1:32:44] Trustee Rogers: then we can just move on and then you can flag ones

[1:32:47] Trustee Rogers: that you also have.

[1:32:49] Trustee Rogers: Is that okay with you, Trustee Colbert?

[1:32:53] Trustee Colbourne: No?

[1:32:53] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, well, if there's more coming than what's in here,

[1:32:57] Trustee Colbourne: and if we do have the chance to have some breathing

[1:33:00] Trustee Colbourne: and space to consider that,

[1:33:02] Trustee Colbourne: if Trustee Landreth could put those forward

[1:33:05] Trustee Colbourne: and then give myself, yourself, the Housing Society

[1:33:08] Trustee Colbourne: and the planner time to go over those.

[1:33:10] Trustee Colbourne: I think that would be great.

[1:33:15] Trustee Colbourne: I'm fine with that.

[1:33:17] Trustee Colbourne: It's such a moving target.

[1:33:18] Trustee Colbourne: And I think if we have time

[1:33:21] Trustee Colbourne: to give this more thought and time in between meetings,

[1:33:24] Trustee Colbourne: I think that would be of value to everyone,

[1:33:26] Trustee Colbourne: including the community.

[1:33:26] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so my question is though,

[1:33:28] Trustee Rogers: can we go, that would be for the,

[1:33:31] Trustee Rogers: whatever additional trustee line or us have,

[1:33:33] Trustee Rogers: are you okay with going through what's before us today

[1:33:37] Trustee Rogers: that we've had a chance to look at or would you like to would you like to just sort of defer all

[1:33:43] Trustee Rogers: of this and and wait till we have all of the package because it seems to me that I my inclination

[1:33:50] Trustee Rogers: is to sort of discuss some of the stuff that we know is already in front of us

[1:33:56] Trustee Colbourne: yeah I would like

[1:33:58] Trustee Colbourne: it would be great if trustee Langeras could put forward his amendments and so that's in the public

[1:34:03] Trustee Colbourne: meeting the quorum rules make it so difficult for us to discuss things in between meetings but i

[1:34:08] Trustee Colbourne: think doing this having the opportunity to put it forward in a public meeting but then not having to

[1:34:12] Trustee Colbourne: have necessarily a decision in that meeting um it's just such a more respectful way to kind of

[1:34:18] Trustee Colbourne: work through it and certainly i've learned that my brain needs more time and more protective and

[1:34:22] Trustee Colbourne: some phone calls and some research to be able to come to a good decision making place so um there's

[1:34:27] Trustee Colbourne: several um sections in here that that i do want to create a safe space for shenema to come back

[1:34:33] Trustee Colbourne: to us and we don't know what the nature of their feedback is going to be so i think making an

[1:34:38] Trustee Colbourne: assumption that it's well they're going to speak to this it would be a mistake um so um i i think

[1:34:44] Trustee Colbourne: trustee linger is putting forward things and then uh especially anything that's not captured in

[1:34:49] Trustee Colbourne: this these changes and that gives the planner and the housing society and everyone a chance to catch

[1:34:52] Trustee Colbourne: up yeah

[1:34:53] Voice 19: yeah there there's a number of of the changes that there's you know they're fine like

[1:34:58] Voice 19: this the first one that's up there now you know that there's so and there are some that where i

[1:35:05] Voice 19: i have a slightly different view and then there's a couple places where i'm and this is based on my

[1:35:13] Voice 19: potentially my understanding as to what was there it's when you read something and you read it again

[1:35:18] Voice 19: gained down the road you sometimes new thoughts come into your mind and you see well what does

[1:35:23] Voice 19: that actually say what does that actually do so and because the housing agreement is where

[1:35:29] Voice 19: everything is located and it is going to be filed on title once it's done it's done and it's it it

[1:35:36] Voice 19: can't get changed unless both parties agree to it so i being the cautious person that i am i do

[1:35:43] Voice 19: do double check everything and uh maybe overdo it sometimes but uh i think it's better to overdo it

[1:35:49] Voice 19: than not so um so yeah i'm fine with going through step by step on the changes that we've got now

[1:35:56] Voice 19: and i can uh send i can now how do we do this in terms of the uh changes that i'm proposing do i

[1:36:05] Voice 19: well

[1:36:05] Trustee Rogers: let's let's do let's here's my suggestion and you guys tell me if you trust me tell me if

[1:36:12] Trustee Rogers: if you're okay with that.

[1:36:13] Trustee Rogers: There have been a series of amendments

[1:36:16] Trustee Rogers: that have been proposed by staff

[1:36:21] Trustee Rogers: and we can go through them one by one.

[1:36:26] Trustee Rogers: And I would suggest what we do is say,

[1:36:32] Trustee Rogers: yes, we're all okay with that.

[1:36:34] Trustee Rogers: And if we're not, then we can ask questions

[1:36:37] Trustee Rogers: and then we then we can decide whether to um to amend it in one way or another or defer decision

[1:36:45] Trustee Rogers: on it yeah

[1:36:46] Trustee Rogers: um does that make sense i just want to make sure trustee colburn's okay with that okay

[1:36:51] Trustee Rogers: okay so let's let's just do that so i'm on but and if and if this doesn't work we'll stop and

[1:36:57] Trustee Rogers: do something else so we're on page the first item is if i'm going through the red line version the

[1:37:02] Trustee Rogers: first item is page 46 which is the deletion of maximum monthly rent definition and that was your

[1:37:11] Trustee Rogers: proposal trustee Landers when I heard you say you're okay with that are we all are you okay

[1:37:16] Trustee Rogers: with that too trustee Colton yes so that's agreed so I think there's a series of motions at the top

[1:37:25] Trustee Rogers: off, Arthur, that's the, yes, I'm sorry, Planner DiBena.

[1:37:35] Trustee Rogers: So can you just put a check mark besides 1A

[1:37:38] Trustee Rogers: and we'll come back to it, that we'll make that motion, okay?

[1:37:44] Trustee Rogers: So 1A is fine.

[1:37:46] Trustee Rogers: The next one on the list is, we're working our way down,

[1:37:52] Trustee Rogers: is then further down that page, I'm not quite sure,

[1:37:55] Trustee Rogers: there seems to be a renumbering. Can you confirm why III is underlined in red?

[1:38:05] Voice 8: Yeah, III is not new. When you renumber and add the four and five, IV and V, it does that. Just

[1:38:15] Voice 8: with the track changes, it's not supposed to, yeah. Okay,

[1:38:20] Trustee Rogers: so there's nothing new there.

[1:38:22] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So then IV is the next one. And I think there probably is some commentary about this.

[1:38:30] Trustee Rogers: The original idea about putting this in was from Trustee Lingerie. And now through the dialogue

[1:38:38] Trustee Rogers: that you've had, there's a wording that's on my copy, at least maybe I highlighted in yellow,

[1:38:43] Trustee Rogers: but it's highlighted in yellow, which starts with the words unless. So

[1:38:48] Trustee Rogers: um uh do you want to does anybody wish to address that first of all either planet abenna or

[1:38:55] Trustee Rogers: are or the applicant or are there questions first of all and if not then we can turn to the trustee

[1:39:02] Voice 8: uh through the chair i i can speak to and we did talk about this um the concern about single family

[1:39:09] Voice 8: dwelling so the zoning for the mah1 zone does not permit single family it only permits uh two family

[1:39:16] Voice 8: and multiple families so i just wanted to just point that out but um i know yeah that unless is

[1:39:22] Voice 8: what you were concerned about but um that's as much as i can really comment okay

[1:39:29] Trustee Rogers: colburn i see

[1:39:30] Trustee Rogers: you're you're unmuted did you want to address this i

[1:39:34] Trustee Colbourne: just wanted to ask for a couple minutes

[1:39:35] Trustee Colbourne: just not a couple minutes but just i'm just moving up and down through this it's kind of

[1:39:39] Trustee Colbourne: unwieldy to navigate this sometimes moving up and down through the thing so i just want to make sure

[1:39:43] Trustee Colbourne: that i'm in the right place um we're

[1:39:48] Trustee Rogers: on yeah we're at iv on page 46 page

[1:39:51] Trustee Colbourne: 46 yeah okay yeah

[1:39:59] Trustee Colbourne: i don't have any issues with that now okay

[1:40:02] Trustee Rogers: so the and trustee ladra yeah

[1:40:04] Voice 19: just i mean this is

[1:40:05] Voice 19: basically uh well one of the questions i've got is uh bc housing doesn't as i discovered doesn't uh

[1:40:13] Voice 19: support duplexes that they single family dwellings and duplexes are not funded through the community

[1:40:22] Voice 19: housing fund so i'm i'm assuming then that the the inclusion of duplexes is for other funders

[1:40:29] Voice 19: is that correct that's a question that's a

[1:40:35] Voice 23: question for you mr scott or mr

[1:40:36] Voice 23: yeah um

[1:40:40] Voice 23: Um, BC's housing guidelines are that they don't, um, um, support duplex generally.

[1:40:48] Voice 23: Um, uh, and we included, or we requested its inclusion, um, because of, um, you know, an

[1:40:57] Voice 23: ability to have some design flexibility, uh, depending on how things go and how the funders

[1:41:02] Voice 23: support the program.

[1:41:03] Voice 23: Um, at the moment, you know, we have all the buildings designed as, uh, triplexes that

[1:41:09] Voice 23: The site feels really well-designed and a nice balance, but there could be a set of circumstances where, say, changing one of those units to a fourplex and having a duplex might make sense, or we have a couple duplexes along with triplexes, but at the moment it's triplexes.

[1:41:32] Voice 23: so it's just about being able to respond to site conditions saving a tree here dealing with slope

[1:41:37] Voice 23: there those are the kind of issues that that can come up as you get into more detailed design

[1:41:42] Voice 19: yeah so so bc housing does support triplexes and larger that's correct through the community

[1:41:50] Voice 19: housing fund okay just wanted to clarify yeah okay all right uh that's i guess that's my comment for

[1:41:59] Voice 19: that one yeah do

[1:42:00] Trustee Rogers: you have but do you have any concerns about that language as it's proposed

[1:42:06] Voice 19: well as i said in the past i mean whatever we put in the housing agreement can be amended down the

[1:42:13] Voice 19: road and uh if bc housing funds the whole project you know there's no need for the duplexes and if

[1:42:22] Voice 19: they don't get which is i'm assuming that's their goal and i would expect that that will likely

[1:42:26] Voice 19: likely happen so if down the road they don't and there's a need for duplexes then it can be changed

[1:42:35] Voice 19: by the trust committee and the proponent so well

[1:42:41] Trustee Rogers: okay the way i read this is that the affordable

[1:42:44] Trustee Rogers: housing funder requires a different configuration we don't have a say in it anymore

[1:42:48] Voice 19: no i know that's

[1:42:50] Voice 19: right yeah whereas we could the housing housing that ended well actually i'm talking also about

[1:42:55] Voice 19: the housing the ending clause which is basically saying that once we once we do this uh that's you

[1:43:05] Voice 19: know we we don't have any more say on it so it could potentially result in an apartment building

[1:43:10] Voice 19: if the if the funder says that that's just that's a risk that you're taking yeah

[1:43:15] Trustee Rogers: trustee yeah planner

[1:43:17] Trustee Rogers: um

[1:43:18] Voice 8: i just through the chair i just wanted to point out that they um they are limited by height and

[1:43:24] Voice 8: lot coverage um so a

[1:43:28] Voice 19: two uh two-story uh 12 unit apartment building would probably

[1:43:32] Voice 19: have a less of a lot coverage impact i would think it

[1:43:38] Voice 8: may may not depends on how it's designed

[1:43:40] Voice 8: oh

[1:43:41] Voice 19: yeah true fair enough yeah yeah anyway that's my comment on that um okay

[1:43:49] Trustee Rogers: so what i i agree with

[1:43:51] Trustee Rogers: you uh trustee langer says that that you could end up with a design you were absolutely not expecting

[1:43:57] Trustee Rogers: if the ford the housing funder came along and said we want you to do this yeah um then i guess

[1:44:05] Trustee Rogers: the question is is is i if we agree to that that's always a possibility so if you want to if you want

[1:44:13] Trustee Rogers: to amend it now well i guess we can amend it later but we can either defer or we can agree to this

[1:44:20] Trustee Rogers: language or you can propose an amendment to it

[1:44:23] Voice 19: well i thought we weren't doing amendments at

[1:44:25] Voice 19: this point in time we were just going to screen

[1:44:28] Trustee Rogers: through okay i i would put

[1:44:30] Voice 19: motion oh i'm sorry i

[1:44:32] Trustee Rogers: thought maybe you were i i was talking about amendments to parts that weren't in already

[1:44:37] Trustee Rogers: redlined okay okay um but i but i'm i'm happy to take your direction on how you'd like to proceed

[1:44:43] Trustee Rogers: I

[1:44:46] Voice 19: I would uh prefer to leave it at is only two triplexes and duplexes on the lands

[1:44:55] Voice 19: that'd be my preference so and then let us you know if it if it changes then if there's a need

[1:45:04] Voice 19: for a change then we um we come back they'll

[1:45:10] Trustee Rogers: see mine but yeah and so I would think that

[1:45:12] Trustee Rogers: some language to affect that result would be unless an affordable housing requires a different

[1:45:17] Trustee Rogers: configuration of the affordable housing units and the local trust committee agrees that

[1:45:23] Voice 19: that would

[1:45:24] Voice 19: be preferable i

[1:45:26] Trustee Rogers: mean i can see a scenario where they come along and do exactly what trustee oh

[1:45:30] Trustee Rogers: sorry trustee i've demoted you mr scott um mr scott comes as he said comes and says look we

[1:45:38] Trustee Rogers: might want a fourplex here and a duplex over here to save a tree or a slope or because the funding

[1:45:43] Trustee Rogers: makes sense it's cheaper but I think at that point if there was a you know a minor amendment

[1:45:49] Trustee Rogers: it's probably not going to be a concern of us but if they if they came and said we want a

[1:45:53] Trustee Rogers: 10 unit square building um that would be a good concern to me and I don't know what is it is it

[1:46:01] Trustee Rogers: envisioned no we don't have a covenant a section 219 covenant related to the design do we

[1:46:06] Trustee Rogers: no no

[1:46:08] Voice 19: no

[1:46:08] Trustee Rogers: we don't so um and i guess i'd ask the uh the the proponent the applicant whether you

[1:46:16] Trustee Rogers: that would be acceptable if it says uh and the local trust committee agrees

[1:46:21] Trustee Rogers: or do you want time to think about that

[1:46:32] Voice 23: yeah that's what's difficult about that um you know

[1:46:37] Voice 23: that's certainly what's difficult about this process um the um and and there's a number of

[1:46:43] Voice 23: of, you know, components here that are, you know, related to, you know, unless, you know,

[1:46:51] Voice 23: an affordable housing funder approves, you know, and as we have experienced, and as I think you

[1:46:58] Voice 23: have other experience, while you might describe an item as simple, when we get down to the practical

[1:47:06] Voice 23: realities of things with affordable housing, your timelines and your approval processes don't fit

[1:47:12] Voice 23: it very well so for example we go to tender the budget is more than we can handle in the budget

[1:47:18] Voice 23: and we have to cut out two units um and and so we decide that we change two of our triplex buildings

[1:47:25] Voice 23: to a duplex we have a you know so we're doing redesign and a tendering process if we have that

[1:47:32] Voice 23: flexibility we can work with our funders and make a project that works and get it and meet our

[1:47:36] Voice 23: schedules if we have to come back to you that's going to take another four or five months to get

[1:47:40] Voice 23: that approval um then that then that's a challenge um and and so um you know we do have development

[1:47:48] Voice 23: permits uh both you know a couple different development permits that we would require from

[1:47:53] Voice 23: you um so just keep in mind that it you know often it's kind of later in the processes that

[1:47:58] Voice 23: some of these things change um and um and and which is why um we're looking for that modest

[1:48:05] Voice 23: you know modest kind of flexibility um uh what what we're asking i guess given the timelines

[1:48:12] Voice 23: that we have that we would prefer that um you know rather than us negotiating every clause um

[1:48:18] Voice 23: you know element by element that that if if you as a group agree that this is the position you'd

[1:48:26] Voice 23: like to take with us you pass a resolution and then we'll we'll consider that you know away from

[1:48:32] Voice 23: this meeting and and come back and let you know how we feel about it all right i i think that's

[1:48:37] Voice 23: sorry

[1:48:37] Trustee Rogers: yeah yeah you need to unmute yourself nancy so

[1:48:46] Voice 11: thanks um i just wanted to to help me

[1:48:48] Voice 11: understand um case can you explain your thinking your help me understand your thinking of

[1:48:55] Voice 11: of wanting to limit or wanting to narrow in this statement the way you're um suggesting

[1:49:03] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:49:04] Voice 19: it's got to do with the design. I mean, I think the community is anticipating, you know, there's a number of units, triplexes or duplexes, say, but not an apartment building. I don't think there was a lot of support for the idea of an apartment building.

[1:49:18] Voice 19: and so my adding that clause in which could be done by a resolution without meeting by the trust

[1:49:27] Voice 19: committee if if in in terms of like uh mr scott said it would take four to five months to get

[1:49:35] Voice 19: that change and i i don't get that approval and i think it could be done by a resolution without

[1:49:40] Voice 19: meeting so i think timing is not as critical in terms of the time frame okay

[1:49:48] Voice 11: well just just

[1:49:49] Voice 11: then to respond quickly

[1:49:50] Voice 11: thank you for your explanation i guess i just remind us all that

[1:49:55] Voice 11: there are other uh um aspects to this zoning including the development permit

[1:50:02] Voice 11: the environmental conditions dpa which to me also puts some strong conditions on what's allowed in

[1:50:13] Voice 11: in terms of the environmental aspects of the development.

[1:50:17] Voice 11: And so for me, it's hard to picture

[1:50:20] Voice 11: that an apartment building would meet

[1:50:23] Voice 11: the conditions of the DPA.

[1:50:26] Voice 11: I'm going obviously by memory here,

[1:50:28] Voice 11: but I'm just thinking,

[1:50:33] Voice 11: it doesn't seem, doesn't make a lot of sense to me,

[1:50:36] Voice 11: but I appreciate your explanation of your thinking.

[1:50:38] Voice 11: thinking.

[1:50:40] Trustee Rogers: And I don't want to usurp Trustee Colburn if you wanted to weigh in on this but

[1:50:45] Trustee Rogers: I would also say that you know part of the consideration of the community and you had a lot

[1:50:50] Trustee Rogers: of in other words a lot of community commentary and we always said the housing agreement was going

[1:50:56] Trustee Rogers: to sort of be key in all of this because it's going to set some of the parameters around which

[1:51:01] Trustee Rogers: this will occur both in terms of who gets to live there and the affordability etc etc

[1:51:06] Trustee Rogers: But it was also the design of the buildings and the, and if it was a different design or area or whatever, you know, it may have attracted different commentary.

[1:51:21] Trustee Rogers: So I'm sort of, yeah, anyway, Trustee Colburn, do you have any comments?

[1:51:29] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, Ian Scott mentioned, you know, the flexibility needed if you're moving between a triplex and a duplex.

[1:51:35] Trustee Colbourne: And I get that. But I think, and I completely hear what Nancy's saying, and I think that the checks and balances that are in place in terms of the environmental protection, DPAs, the footprints in terms of building height, and that would be such a significant change to jump to that sort of design that I think it would be captured in other things.

[1:52:01] Trustee Colbourne: but i don't i think for the peace of mind of the community which has been engaged in a in a in a

[1:52:09] Trustee Colbourne: consultation and approvals process to to be really clear that if it is a significantly

[1:52:17] Trustee Colbourne: different character than has been has been discussed at this point that that come back

[1:52:21] Trustee Colbourne: to the ltc um not just within the processes of the development permit that would be required for that

[1:52:29] Trustee Colbourne: I think that's just the fail safe that wouldn't actually impinge on their flexibility because

[1:52:36] Trustee Colbourne: the flexibility to me is between triplex and duplex that's the reality of what you're probably

[1:52:39] Trustee Colbourne: talking about but provincial governments change housing funders change I think we have to make

[1:52:46] Trustee Colbourne: sure that this is kind of a future safe document in many ways that we're not constantly coming

[1:52:51] Trustee Colbourne: back for approvals that may not fit the timeline so I

[1:52:55] Voice 17: don't see how

[1:52:56] Trustee Colbourne: an apartment building could

[1:52:57] Trustee Colbourne: manifest out of this but I don't think there's something wrong with saying that it that it

[1:53:03] Trustee Colbourne: shouldn't unless the the there's an approvals process that comes back to the community comes

[1:53:07] Trustee Colbourne: back to the LTC so

[1:53:08] Trustee Rogers: I heard trustee Alonjar say that he was okay with the language that

[1:53:13] Trustee Rogers: and the local trust committee agrees be added to this clause would that satisfy what you just said

[1:53:21] Trustee Rogers: I

[1:53:22] Trustee Colbourne: sorry I would actually I forgot to kind of mention the edit that I was thinking it will

[1:53:26] Trustee Colbourne: design and construct only triplex and duplex and lands period if an affordable housing fund requires

[1:53:30] Trustee Colbourne: a different configuration of the affordable housing units the it must be done with the

[1:53:35] Trustee Colbourne: agreement of the ltc to kind of separate those two aspects of it yeah

[1:53:40] Voice 19: okay yeah i wasn't thinking in

[1:53:42] Voice 19: terms of the duplexes at all i mean that's that's i that was just a query because it when i saw on

[1:53:48] Voice 19: the on the um community housing fund saying they don't do duplexes so that was yeah clarification

[1:53:55] Voice 19: application but well

[1:53:56] Trustee Colbourne: this is limiting our

[1:53:57] Trustee Colbourne: bylaws

[1:53:59] Voice 19: say duplexes or tri or multi which

[1:54:02] Voice 19: is triplexes or actually can go up to an apartment building but that was not the intent

[1:54:09] Voice 19: no

[1:54:10] Trustee Colbourne: so that would limit it to duplexes and duplexes and then if something happens where

[1:54:14] Trustee Colbourne: there's a different configuration which is a significant change to the access to this

[1:54:18] Trustee Colbourne: highly highly unlikely and again there's many other checks and balances within this that

[1:54:22] Trustee Colbourne: that so I but I think for to have community peace of mind and a clear process separating these two

[1:54:29] Trustee Colbourne: things makes sense to me.

[1:54:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay so so let's there are there is the motion that's under B there and

[1:54:38] Trustee Rogers: what I heard Mr. Scott to say given we're not going to give the second reading is is that they

[1:54:44] Trustee Rogers: would go away and consider what we want and then come back with to us which I think which I think

[1:54:48] Trustee Rogers: is entirely fair I think that's entirely fair is that this that would take this if we go back to

[1:54:54] Trustee Rogers: the staff report and the and the recommendation that would be be it would it would be amended

[1:55:01] Trustee Rogers: in the way that you indicated trustee Colbert which would be read it will design and construct

[1:55:10] Trustee Rogers: only triplexes and duplexes on the lands period and then I've I missed the rest of your the next

[1:55:16] Trustee Rogers: next part of your language if

[1:55:18] Trustee Colbourne: an affordable housing funder requires a different configuration

[1:55:21] Trustee Colbourne: of the affordable housing units that configuration must be approved by the local trust committee

[1:55:28] Trustee Colbourne: okay something along those lines well

[1:55:31] Voice 3: let's let's see if nadine got that scott can you

[1:55:35] Voice 15: sorry go repeat and just go a little bit slower please yes

[1:55:39] Trustee Colbourne: um it will design and construct only

[1:55:42] Trustee Colbourne: triplexes and duplexes on the lands period if a certain new sentence if an affordable housing

[1:55:48] Trustee Colbourne: funder requires a different configuration of the affordable housing units that configuration must

[1:55:53] Trustee Colbourne: be approved by the local trust committee got

[1:55:59] Voice 15: it thank you okay

[1:56:04] Trustee Rogers: so that will be um

[1:56:08] Trustee Rogers: that that will be a proposed motion uh 1b yeah um we'll come back to the actual motions

[1:56:16] Trustee Rogers: well maybe we should do them as we go along what do you think we

[1:56:23] Voice 19: could we could do it it

[1:56:25] Voice 19: saves having to do it i guess the next time but do

[1:56:28] Trustee Colbourne: do we act like i'm just cognizant of the fact

[1:56:31] Trustee Colbourne: that this is an agreement between the ltc and the housing society and it's a it's a discussion that

[1:56:35] Trustee Colbourne: goes back and forth as opposed to like capturing this having the housing society go back and

[1:56:41] Trustee Colbourne: and then um because we have the ability now to to do this in a more um comprehensive manner the

[1:56:48] Trustee Colbourne: next meeting or the whatever meeting we do it in um do we need motions for each individual item or

[1:56:53] Trustee Colbourne: is this i

[1:56:54] Trustee Rogers: think i think staff would prefer we have motions so they have clear direction as to

[1:56:59] Trustee Rogers: what it is we wanted in the agreement because what's happened to date is that sort of staff

[1:57:03] Trustee Rogers: and the applicant and the lawyers have gone back and forth and and now but we eventually have to

[1:57:08] Trustee Rogers: to approve the affordable housing agreement, so.

[1:57:11] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I'm

[1:57:12] Trustee Colbourne: just asking because of the nature

[1:57:13] Trustee Colbourne: of the negotiation, it's just, it's a new process, right?

[1:57:16] Trustee Colbourne: So I'm just

[1:57:16] Trustee Colbourne: trying to figure out what the-

[1:57:18] Trustee Rogers: I think we do need motions.

[1:57:19] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:57:20] Trustee Rogers: So I think that's gonna be motion B.

[1:57:26] Trustee Rogers: I'm gonna propose again that we just keep going

[1:57:28] Trustee Rogers: and come back to these motions as we get to them.

[1:57:33] Trustee Rogers: So then, so the next one is the next clause actually.

[1:57:38] Trustee Rogers: which again i think came out of a suggestion a suggestion from um uh trustee london which is

[1:57:46] Trustee Rogers: about the sorry i've lost it i've been scrolling up and now i have to scroll back now um which is

[1:57:53] Trustee Rogers: v um which is uh about the energy step code um and i i wondered if there were any comments or

[1:58:02] Trustee Rogers: concerns about that I

[1:58:04] Voice 19: do have comments on that one it's it's the the way the whole paragraph

[1:58:12] Voice 19: is structured is one of my one of my concerns there are two sentences in there and I've actually

[1:58:20] Voice 19: written up a fair bit about this the ending clause unless an affordable housing fund that requires a

[1:58:27] Voice 19: different energy performance target applies to that sentence it doesn't there's no linkage

[1:58:35] Voice 19: direct linkages between the two sentences they're like two different sentences and i maybe this is

[1:58:43] Voice 19: my own preference but what it should say i think what it should say is is something to the effect

[1:58:48] Voice 19: and i'll just read this out to you the lands must not be it's it's complicated you've got there

[1:58:56] Voice 19: the lands must not be used or occupied for residential purposes and no building or structure

[1:59:01] Voice 19: may be constructed on the lands until so now you're uh talking about until the buildings have

[1:59:07] Voice 19: been designed you can't build you can't do residential use or construct and it seems like

[1:59:15] Voice 19: an odd wording to me and i think what they're trying to say is that in essence what they're

[1:59:20] Voice 19: saying is the lands must not be used or occupied for residential purposes unless the buildings are

[1:59:26] Voice 19: constructed to meet a the performance requirements of the energy step code that that that that or

[1:59:33] Voice 19: b if required by an affordable hunter by an affordable housing funder a different energy

[1:59:39] Voice 19: performance target okay

[1:59:41] Trustee Rogers: so i'm just going to stop you there isn't the connection between the second

[1:59:45] Trustee Rogers: sentence and the first sentence the definition that the fact that the first sentence is defined

[1:59:49] Trustee Rogers: by the performance standards and then that's what's referred to in the second sentence

[1:59:52] Trustee Rogers: and

[1:59:53] Voice 19: does the but does that ending clause apply to the first or does it just apply to the no but

[2:00:00] Trustee Rogers: connection is they define what performance standards is and then said it's operating in

[2:00:05] Trustee Rogers: accordance with the performance standards as defined in the first sentence unless an affordable

[2:00:10] Trustee Rogers: housing requires a different energy performance i'm not quite sure what the problem is with that

[2:00:15] Trustee Rogers: i

[2:00:16] Voice 19: i see this as applying to uh the affordable that ending clause applies to it says the owner

[2:00:26] Voice 19: it's really hard to follow when it's a paragraph like this.

[2:00:30] Voice 19: The owner shall provide to the trust committee

[2:00:32] Voice 19: compliance report, ignore the certifying,

[2:00:36] Voice 19: that the building has been constructed and is operating

[2:00:41] Voice 19: unless affordable housing says a different target is needed.

[2:00:45] Voice 19: So the performance target is one standard.

[2:00:49] Voice 19: So what are they certifying?

[2:00:52] Voice 19: Just the performance standard or the alternate standard?

[2:00:54] Voice 19: the performance standard yeah whatever so they're not going to if they don't do the

[2:01:03] Voice 19: performance standard then there's no need for a report under the the ending one and different

[2:01:12] Voice 19: energy performance target so if so the

[2:01:16] Trustee Rogers: way i read it so i think i think that this is one you're

[2:01:19] Trustee Rogers: going to propose substantially different language because i'm not seeing the difficulty that you're

[2:01:24] Trustee Rogers: having um uh i i really am not uh i think we're going to have to defer to special okay yeah i just

[2:01:31] Voice 19: don't

[2:01:32] Trustee Rogers: i just don't understand your concern i'm

[2:01:34] Voice 19: not changing you know i don't think i'm changing

[2:01:37] Voice 19: the intent of this it's just the way it's structured and i don't think it operates quite

[2:01:42] Voice 19: the way that i think what was intended that's my sense this is the

[2:01:47] Voice 19: problem yeah

[2:01:49] Trustee Colbourne: i would suggest

[2:01:49] Trustee Colbourne: that you put this forward today during the meeting in writing we can see it and take it time to go

[2:01:54] Trustee Colbourne: go back i'm just wondering if that the building maybe it's the it's the tense it's the past tense

[2:02:01] Trustee Colbourne: or the slip that the building will be constructed and operate in accordance as opposed to has been

[2:02:07] Trustee Colbourne: constructed already and is operating i'm wondering if that's causing part of the the issue here it's

[2:02:14] Trustee Colbourne: kind of like you're gonna once it's already built you're gonna give us a compliance report which

[2:02:19] Trustee Colbourne: seems kind of strange right yeah

[2:02:21] Voice 19: yeah that's what i i was saying must not be used or occupied until

[2:02:26] Voice 19: all of the other stuff happens that was my focus is that just have you know they need to go through

[2:02:34] Voice 19: the process but until uh it's all done then they can't occupy it so

[2:02:40] Trustee Colbourne: if you change it to that the

[2:02:41] Trustee Colbourne: building will be constructed and operate in currents with performance standard would that

[2:02:44] Trustee Colbourne: solve it i'll

[2:02:46] Voice 19: email you the uh the wording and if

[2:02:49] Voice 19: we can put that on the record

[2:02:50] Trustee Colbourne: and in the public

[2:02:51] Trustee Colbourne: meeting

[2:02:51] Voice 19: and then yeah yeah i'll do that right now it's just you can carry on i'll just find

[2:02:56] Voice 19: that email i've got it here so well

[2:02:58] Trustee Rogers: i need but yeah okay please do that but we're going to need

[2:03:00] Trustee Rogers: um i need you to be involved in the rest of the conversation yeah that

[2:03:05] Trustee Rogers: was that is uh that's uh

[2:03:07] Trustee Rogers: one C of the proposed motions.

[2:03:11] Trustee Rogers: So we'll come, sorry.

[2:03:13] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, so we'll come back to that.

[2:03:15] Trustee Colbourne: Chair, I've been at break just for-

[2:03:19] Trustee Colbourne: Sorry,

[2:03:19] Trustee Rogers: yes, it's 12.30 at this moment, it's 12.30.

[2:03:24] Trustee Rogers: This is going to take a moment.

[2:03:25] Trustee Rogers: I know we have the application,

[2:03:27] Trustee Rogers: the applicant for the TUP with us,

[2:03:28] Trustee Rogers: and then we have a CIM scheduled for two o'clock.

[2:03:31] Trustee Rogers: How do you, if we're going to go through this clause by

[2:03:35] Trustee Rogers: clause, there's a few more,

[2:03:39] Trustee Rogers: but we can take a five minute break uh and carry on but why don't we do that okay

[2:03:44] Voice 17: okay okay okay

[2:03:45] Trustee Rogers: we'll come back we'll come

[2:03:47] Voice 17: back at 12 45 thank you okay

[2:04:07] Trustee Rogers: we're just waiting for trustee colburn

[2:04:11] Trustee Rogers: i'm conscious of the fact that we're this is um taking a bit of time but i think some of the rest

[2:04:17] Trustee Rogers: of them are there's a couple of them that also might take some time um but a lot of them i think

[2:04:23] Trustee Rogers: are fairly non-problematic i'm hoping if anybody has a better suggestion please let me know okay

[2:04:40] Trustee Rogers: gentlemen um we're at uh uh we we have a different language from trustee langer i don't know if

[2:04:48] Trustee Rogers: you've had a chance to look at it trustee colburn i

[2:04:54] Trustee Colbourne: have it open now and

[2:04:58] Trustee Rogers: i and i want to be clear

[2:05:00] Trustee Rogers: in fairness to the to the to the the applicant that even if we adopt some of

[2:05:08] Trustee Rogers: these changes we understand that these are all subject to your feedback in

[2:05:12] Trustee Rogers: relation to these things so yes mr. Scott yeah

[2:05:16] Voice 24: for this one I don't think it

[2:05:19] Voice 24: changes the intent of what we've agreed to and you know maybe the lawyers have

[2:05:24] Voice 24: an additional supporting suggestion but this is entirely consistent with the

[2:05:29] Voice 24: the direction we understand we're going in.

[2:05:38] Trustee Rogers: So I guess that my question for this is the proposal.

[2:05:41] Trustee Rogers: I don't have a problem with it either.

[2:05:42] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn, are you okay with substituting that

[2:05:45] Trustee Rogers: for what's currently in the recommendation for a number C?

[2:05:49] Trustee Rogers: One C.

[2:05:53] Trustee Rogers: Take your time.

[2:06:15] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, that seems fine, yeah.

[2:06:18] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:06:18] Trustee Colbourne: I'm not sure it's more clear,

[2:06:20] Trustee Colbourne: but it's set out in a way that makes it easier to follow.

[2:06:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so let's agree.

[2:06:27] Trustee Rogers: We'll come back and do the motions,

[2:06:29] Trustee Rogers: but that C will be replaced by the language proposed

[2:06:32] Trustee Rogers: by Trustee Landry.

[2:06:34] Trustee Rogers: The next item is then going back to the package

[2:06:42] Trustee Rogers: is the next clause,

[2:06:46] Trustee Rogers: which is the clause related to the sewage treatment.

[2:06:52] Trustee Rogers: Any concerns with either of the trustees

[2:06:54] Trustee Rogers: related to that proposal?

[2:06:56] Trustee Rogers: proposal.

[2:06:58] Voice 19: No, just a comment for myself. Go ahead. There's a type three. Are there other equivalents

[2:07:06] Voice 19: or I'm not sure. I always thought there was type one, two, three, and then you get into the

[2:07:11] Voice 19: municipal type of sewage treatment. I didn't know what was meant by the equivalent system.

[2:07:21] Trustee Rogers: Does anybody from the proponent want to answer that question? The applicants were.

[2:07:26] Voice 24: Yeah, I'll take that on. Yes, you're right, there's three systems, 1, 2 and 3.

[2:07:35] Voice 24: Type 3 goes a little bit further than Type 2 in terms of defining the performance,

[2:07:42] Voice 24: but it also imposes a certain set of monitoring requirements and other components

[2:07:52] Voice 24: um that um through our our early work um you know seems like it may be um uh you know unnecessary

[2:08:02] Voice 24: um and so it we've really just requested this so that we're meeting the performance target

[2:08:07] Voice 24: but we may have an an alternative uh pathway to to um uh to compliance under the supervision of

[2:08:15] Voice 24: an engineer um so based on what i've what i've learned to date it i think we're going to do a

[2:08:22] Voice 24: type three system and that's how it'll end up but it's again it's just that that sort of fine detail

[2:08:27] Voice 24: getting into the design and operations that we just aren't at yet um and so um as an abundance

[2:08:33] Voice 24: of caution and making sure we have an affordable housing project um uh have it set up or are asking

[2:08:41] Voice 24: that set up initially uh

[2:08:43] Voice 19: through the chair then so it would it'll always be a type three just uh

[2:08:48] Voice 19: the type of type three that would just say like are there different types of type three I guess

[2:08:54] Voice 19: this was my question it

[2:08:56] Voice 24: has to do with

[2:08:57] Voice 24: it has to do with who's managing it and who is doing and

[2:09:01] Voice 24: the kind of testing protocols that you're doing with it um uh and you know obviously the BC

[2:09:06] Voice 24: regulation of sewage is but one um is but one approach um in terms of performance standards

[2:09:15] Voice 24: standards. I'm trying to think of an equivalent. I can't think of a good example, but really

[2:09:23] Voice 24: it's about performance standards. Energy efficiency is a great one, for example. The BC government

[2:09:30] Voice 24: has the STEP code. There's also the National Energy Code, so CMHC's requirements relate

[2:09:36] Voice 24: to the National Energy Code. If you're meeting CMHC's funder requirements, you have to meet

[2:09:41] Voice 24: a different target but it's actually the same performance but you're actually

[2:09:48] Voice 24: meeting a different a different standard so that's all we were meaning yeah is

[2:09:52] Voice 24: that

[2:09:52] Voice 17: so it's not that

[2:09:53] Voice 24: it that at least meets the the type 3 performance

[2:09:55] Voice 24: standards of yeah so

[2:09:59] Voice 19: it's not a type 2 then it

[2:10:02] Voice 24: could be it could be under the

[2:10:03] Voice 24: regulation seen as type 2 but it would meet performance standards of type 3

[2:10:10] Trustee Rogers: okay now we I'm just trying to go through this list are we okay with the

[2:10:15] Trustee Rogers: language is proposed i'm seeing uh no no um concerns so i'm gonna mark that down as a

[2:10:25] Trustee Rogers: check mark that we're okay with that uh the next uh amendment is um uh in the it going down the

[2:10:35] Trustee Rogers: near the bottom of page 47 under d rental rates was the removal of the words it will which i think

[2:10:41] Trustee Rogers: was your proposal Trustee Landreth so I think I assume we're okay with that and and then there's

[2:10:50] Trustee Rogers: the language that is inserted in place of the one that was there which I think again might have been

[2:10:58] Trustee Rogers: your language Trustee Landreth is my correct uh

[2:11:01] Voice 19: what we are now is uh we're

[2:11:07] Trustee Rogers: at di bottom of page

[2:11:09] Trustee Rogers: 47 where they're taking out the language that's all there and it now reads the rent payable by

[2:11:15] Trustee Rogers: a qualified renter for an affordable housing unit exclusive you must not exceed 30 percent of the

[2:11:20] Voice 19: gross

[2:11:20] Trustee Rogers: money yeah no

[2:11:22] Voice 19: that's fine yeah yeah i'm

[2:11:23] Trustee Rogers: sorry i thought

[2:11:24] Voice 19: you're talking about the second

[2:11:25] Voice 19: one it's the double i

[2:11:28] Voice 19: the double i change haven't

[2:11:30] Trustee Rogers: got there yet haven't got

[2:11:31] Trustee Rogers: there yet um trustee

[2:11:33] Trustee Rogers: colburn are you okay with that yep okay that takes care of e and f uh we're down to g which is sorry

[2:11:41] Trustee Rogers: sorry which is double i which is the um a the changes it takes it it will will be there it

[2:11:50] Trustee Rogers: puts in the word system and then removes parking from the uh limitations so um

[2:11:57] Trustee Rogers: um trustees uh do any consideration about that i

[2:12:04] Voice 19: have no problem with that

[2:12:05] Voice 19: okay

[2:12:07] Trustee Rogers: so that takes care of g in the list i'm sorry i'm just going through these

[2:12:14] Trustee Rogers: the next one is clause um e which is replaces the words affordable market unit with affordable

[2:12:22] Trustee Rogers: market housing units and then uh adds uh a new clause uh i i um

[2:12:32] Trustee Colbourne: this is where i'd like some

[2:12:34] Trustee Colbourne: clarification from the proponents because in their letter to the trust committee i believe it's

[2:12:39] Trustee Colbourne: february 22nd they talk about option one i just want to be absolutely clear i i i don't think

[2:12:45] Trustee Colbourne: i've seen an option two or if i did it's kind of buried somewhere else so

[2:12:49] Trustee Rogers: it's in the chart

[2:12:50] Trustee Rogers: from the planner okay you go back up to page uh page 26 okay

[2:13:03] Trustee Colbourne: uh

[2:13:05] Trustee Rogers: you'll see uh the bottom

[2:13:08] Trustee Rogers: them the last the last boxes on page 26 there's option one and option two um and option two uh

[2:13:21] Trustee Rogers: so option one effectively says they'll give us the opportunity to provide assistance in limiting

[2:13:28] Trustee Rogers: the number and option two says uh we have to agree that's right which are different conceptual

[2:13:37] Trustee Rogers: and

[2:13:38] Trustee Colbourne: it's option one that's

[2:13:43] Trustee Rogers: currently in the exactly language and uh i'm speaking for you

[2:13:49] Trustee Rogers: planner debana but option two you're giving as an alternative and the and the applicant has

[2:13:54] Trustee Rogers: expressed a preference for the option one that's

[2:13:58] Voice 14: right yeah

[2:14:00] Trustee Colbourne: thank you i just want to make sure

[2:14:01] Trustee Colbourne: everyone's following along in our game of uh scrolling legislation here yeah

[2:14:06] Trustee Rogers: so it's the

[2:14:06] Trustee Rogers: bottom of page 26 and leading into page 27 and as I said they they differ in the way that one

[2:14:14] Trustee Rogers: sort of gives everybody the opportunity to go help them find the money to keep the numbers down

[2:14:19] Trustee Rogers: the second one gives us basically um the ability to approve or not approve the increase uh in the

[2:14:28] Trustee Rogers: number of affordable market there so so those are the two options that are presented uh I'm

[2:14:36] Trustee Rogers: I'm guessing Trustee Lagerhuis,

[2:14:37] Trustee Rogers: you have something to say about that.

[2:14:38] Trustee Rogers: Do I do?

[2:14:40] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, thank you.

[2:14:41] Voice 19: First of all, the second option in that,

[2:14:44] Voice 19: as I understand it from legal counsel,

[2:14:47] Voice 19: the recommended wording from legal counsel,

[2:14:51] Voice 19: and that was based on actually on the letter

[2:14:53] Voice 19: that came from Nancy.

[2:14:55] Voice 19: It was referenced in the bottom.

[2:14:59] Voice 19: So to me that makes more, it seems appropriate,

[2:15:03] Voice 19: you know that just by resolution then we would do the same as before as you know the previous one

[2:15:10] Voice 19: just uh they can if there's an issue that we can then do a resolution about meeting or whatever

[2:15:15] Voice 19: is required uh so i i personally i prefer the uh the second option the other one is clause one

[2:15:24] Voice 19: One, I'm not sure what its purpose is.

[2:15:30] Voice 19: I still struggle with what the intent is there.

[2:15:34] Voice 19: It's the intent that you're going to have units

[2:15:39] Voice 19: and you're going to have a certain percentage of units

[2:15:41] Voice 19: that are market rent, right?

[2:15:44] Voice 19: And so there'll be, say, whatever the number is,

[2:15:50] Voice 19: five units, say five units for argument's sake,

[2:15:53] Voice 19: and there's five units occupied by uh market rent people and a non-market rent one becomes vacant

[2:16:02] Voice 19: it just gets rented now if there's a vacancy in the market rent unit um i'm not sure what this

[2:16:12] Voice 19: section does actually to be quite honest when i think about i'm not sure what the intent is

[2:16:17] Voice 19: and maybe the uh the housing

[2:16:22] Trustee Rogers: society could clarify that or the planner could clarify what the

[2:16:26] Trustee Rogers: intent of uh section of uh e i the one that's the first paragraph there which basically says

[2:16:35] Trustee Rogers: you can't you can't occupy an affordable marketing unit unless there's at least

[2:16:40] Trustee Rogers: presumably one but it does use a plural occupied so another i that's the way i read it anyway

[2:16:47] Trustee Rogers: way. Mr. Scott, I saw you on mute. Did you want to address that?

[2:16:53] Voice 24: Yeah, I think what you just said, Chair Rogers, which is that it's so that the project cannot

[2:17:02] Voice 24: be all affordable market units. And because of the plural, there has to be at least two

[2:17:06] Voice 24: of the others. And as we've articulated, Nancy articulated in the letter, you know, we don't

[2:17:12] Voice 24: think we'll ever be anywhere close to only two you know of an alternative given the structure

[2:17:19] Voice 24: of affordable housing funder affordable housing funding programs that are out there and how much

[2:17:25] Voice 24: money it takes to to develop these projects including developing affordable market units

[2:17:31] Voice 24: so it just means it can't be all of that it's really what that clause

[2:17:41] Trustee Rogers: Yes Trustee Langevin.

[2:17:43] Voice 19: Oh I was going to say when I read it, when I think about it, it seems to be

[2:17:47] Voice 19: saying if all the units are vacant you can't rent a market rent unit until another person moves into

[2:17:58] Voice 19: a non-market rent unit. That's the essence of what I read in it. Yeah

[2:18:08] Voice 24: I suppose there could be that

[2:18:11] Voice 24: hypothetically that scenario but let's let's be honest on Gabriela we're not

[2:18:15] Voice 24: gonna have that much vacancy in the no

[2:18:18] Voice 19: no no no that's and

[2:18:19] Voice 19: the units aren't

[2:18:21] Voice 19: this units aren't specified at any point in time it depends on whoever as well

[2:18:27] Voice 19: you just have a certain number that you can use for market and and the remainder

[2:18:31] Voice 19: are so that's right

[2:18:35] Voice 19: and quite sure and

[2:18:36] Voice 24: the current Community Housing Fund

[2:18:38] Voice 24: fund program is 20% deep subsidy, 50% rent geared to income, and 30% affordable market.

[2:18:44] Voice 24: And there will be

[2:18:45] Voice 24: circumstances at the operational level where that percentage might change for

[2:18:50] Voice 24: individual circumstances and where you might have temporary approval from BC Housing to

[2:18:56] Voice 24: have one more market rent unit or one more deep subsidy unit because of circumstances

[2:19:02] Voice 24: that change for individuals because the goal of BC Housing as well as you know

[2:19:08] Voice 24: as well as the society is not to have to kick people out of their home because

[2:19:11] Voice 24: they start making more money or they have an unexpected you know problem with

[2:19:16] Voice 24: their their employment and so this is where the world of housing agreement

[2:19:21] Voice 24: bumps up against the realities of operations of running housing is that

[2:19:27] Voice 24: that you do make choices and decisions along the way

[2:19:31] Voice 24: in association with the group that's providing you

[2:19:34] Voice 24: an ongoing operating subsidy.

[2:19:36] Voice 19: So the percentage of market rent is fluid then,

[2:19:40] Voice 19: potentially fluid, regardless of what is-

[2:19:43] Voice 24: The operating agreement,

[2:19:44] Voice 24: if it's under the current community housing funding program

[2:19:47] Voice 24: with BC Housing will stay 30%,

[2:19:50] Voice 24: but it's at an operational level,

[2:19:52] Voice 24: they always have the ability to approve changes and it's-

[2:19:55] Voice 19: I had always I'd assumed it would be fixed so this is new information for me yeah there's

[2:20:02] Trustee Colbourne: absolutely no way it could be fixed because people's circumstances change so you know the

[2:20:06] Trustee Colbourne: mix of to me I see this is actually one of the concerns that has been raised repeatedly is that

[2:20:12] Trustee Colbourne: this will just be all market unit and this clause actually states that that there has to the market

[2:20:17] Trustee Colbourne: units have to offset the deeper subsidies they're all subsidized all affordable housing is subsidized

[2:20:22] Trustee Colbourne: by somebody this discussion about funders and on island and off island it's all our tax money

[2:20:28] Trustee Colbourne: in the end for the most part unless um someone steps up and again the option uh that provides

[2:20:36] Trustee Colbourne: an opportunity for on island funders to be involved i think is positive but to me this

[2:20:40] Trustee Colbourne: actually gets at a lot of the concerns have been being raised and and does say that the

[2:20:46] Trustee Colbourne: market units offset it so um i i and there has to be some flexibility incomes because incomes

[2:20:52] Trustee Colbourne: comes drastically change for individuals for better or for worse and so that's how the

[2:20:56] Trustee Colbourne: housing project sort of balances itself out over time so

[2:21:01] Trustee Rogers: i'm trying to find a way forward here

[2:21:02] Trustee Rogers: can i before i go back to trustee lingerie he's wondering about the utility of the first clause

[2:21:08] Trustee Rogers: there um i tend to agree with you trustee colburn it doesn't it doesn't detract from the intent of

[2:21:14] Trustee Rogers: this and i think it does have some meaning but what about the second clause trustee colburn which

[2:21:20] Trustee Rogers: which is, Trustee Langer, has it expressed a preference for option two rather than option one?

[2:21:31] Trustee Colbourne: At this point, I'm in favor of option one. I think it's much clearer. I think it

[2:21:39] Trustee Colbourne: is much clearer in the type of public engagement opportunities it would provide.

[2:21:46] Trustee Colbourne: Funders on this island who have taken, have had a lot of opportunity to fund this type of thing,

[2:21:53] Trustee Colbourne: and you know government has stepped up a lot of what i'm trying to do the fail-safe part of this

[2:21:58] Trustee Colbourne: is just government changes of course then some of these these conditions will change but in the end

[2:22:02] Trustee Colbourne: affordable housing funders fund affordable housing so i i i i'm in favor of option option one for

[2:22:10] Trustee Colbourne: clause two okay

[2:22:13] Trustee Rogers: so that's the option which just says that they we get an opportunity to find the

[2:22:18] Trustee Rogers: number to find the money on the island as opposed to the option that says we got to approve it if

[2:22:23] Trustee Rogers: goes above 30 percent and and i guess i mean okay so so here's the scenario because i'm

[2:22:33] Trustee Rogers: tending to lean towards what trustee lingerie wants but um and i'm but i i'd like to find

[2:22:40] Trustee Rogers: it see if we can find it we've heard this here's the scenario is uh affordable housing funder or

[2:22:46] Trustee Rogers: whatever they come along and something changes and they say okay we're going to have 40 percent

[2:22:52] Trustee Rogers: of of market units um and uh they come back to us and say well that's not what we understood

[2:23:02] Trustee Rogers: and the option one would say you guys go find that i mean i'm being being a bit cryptic but

[2:23:08] Trustee Rogers: you guys go out in the community go find the money to keep the keep it at 30 whereas option

[2:23:14] Trustee Rogers: and two would say no we're not approving that um you we agreed to 30 and you're going to have to

[2:23:21] Trustee Rogers: find a way to fund to find the money for that so i guess that's that's the question

[2:23:27] Voice 19: one other comment on that section is there's no timeline yeah it says it's just it's open-ended

[2:23:34] Voice 19: yeah that's true yeah

[2:23:38] Trustee Colbourne: so i'm wondering if and again i don't want to put the housing society

[2:23:40] Trustee Colbourne: and the proponents on the spot but I'm wondering if there's is it the approval piece that is a

[2:23:46] Trustee Colbourne: sticking point here or a potential issue and that's the that's the part of option two that

[2:23:52] Trustee Colbourne: holds appeal is that there's an approvals process the set because the option one is it reads right

[2:23:57] Trustee Colbourne: now is you know there's an you are informed and you're provided an opportunity and there's no

[2:24:02] Trustee Colbourne: timeline of open-ended I'm wondering if there's a a way to combine the two options in a way

[2:24:07] Trustee Colbourne: um that still provides flexibility but has some sort of approval mechanism

[2:24:11] Trustee Colbourne: um i i providing the trust committee and the public an opportunity to assist the owner in

[2:24:17] Trustee Colbourne: limiting i think that's a positive um um really interesting thing to include in this and i'm in

[2:24:25] Trustee Colbourne: favor of that but i'm wondering if the word approval is and the process for approval is

[2:24:29] Trustee Colbourne: where we're kind of stumbling here yeah

[2:24:32] Voice 19: uh i mean fundraising will always be happening i would

[2:24:36] Voice 19: expect for the housing society you know they're fundraising now and they will continue to do so

[2:24:42] Voice 19: um

[2:24:47] Voice 25: okay i'm i'm not hearing chair rogers might i respond yeah sure yeah

[2:24:55] Voice 24: i mean i think

[2:24:56] Voice 24: um nancy and i worked you know together on on the letter that was submitted and it's really

[2:25:03] Voice 24: articulating that um uh these processes are never um 100 fixed that you do need flexibility

[2:25:13] Voice 24: and having additional approval required um from the trust committee um adds risk to the project

[2:25:21] Voice 24: and adds potential that we won't be selected by a funder and so that's really what we're trying

[2:25:28] Voice 24: to avoid. I think we all have the same goal which is to do the very best we can to deliver affordable

[2:25:33] Voice 24: housing and setting up a process where we're uncertain as to whether a funding program fits

[2:25:43] Voice 24: within the vision of the trustees is a difficult position for the housing society. As articulated

[2:25:50] Voice 24: in the letter you know we could get to the point where we reluctantly agree with option two but I

[2:25:56] Voice 24: I think you are taking on imposing some additional risk

[2:26:00] Voice 24: and probably cost to the society as we go along.

[2:26:03] Voice 24: That's just the reality of these processes.

[2:26:07] Voice 24: Yeah.

[2:26:09] Trustee Colbourne: So I just, it's a good discussion.

[2:26:12] Trustee Colbourne: I think we can maybe defer this particular one

[2:26:15] Trustee Colbourne: and see if we can,

[2:26:17] Trustee Colbourne: we've got the different options in front of us.

[2:26:20] Trustee Colbourne: And if we have an opportunity.

[2:26:22] Voice 25: You okay

[2:26:22] Voice 25: with that, Trustee Langer?

[2:26:23] Voice 25: I am conscious of time.

[2:26:24] Voice 25: Can we defer this one?

[2:26:26] Voice 19: Yeah, let's defer it.

[2:26:28] Voice 19: I agree.

[2:26:29] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:26:30] Trustee Rogers: Because I hear both sides and I have to say, I do think that there's an element of, you know, we got a lot of community comments, etc.

[2:26:42] Trustee Rogers: But it was based on, I am reluctant to sort of agree in advance to amendments to what has been set out in front of the community, potential amendments, what has been set out in front of the community.

[2:26:56] Trustee Rogers: so okay well the next one let's keep moving then so that's deferred i'm making a list as i go along

[2:27:01] Trustee Rogers: here um the next one is claude's um uh one uh uh i i'm sorry i gotta go find it again uh i which is

[2:27:12] Trustee Rogers: uh um oh transfer the lands other than to another non-profit organization or society and it's

[2:27:23] Trustee Rogers: replaced with or the provincial renting or housing corporation and then uh and then there's a removal

[2:27:29] Trustee Rogers: of uh any approval by the local trust committee and i guess i'll just make my comment i sort of

[2:27:35] Trustee Rogers: understand it in that in that uh contact but uh over to you trustees yeah

[2:27:41] Voice 19: uh my only comment is

[2:27:43] Voice 19: the deletion of that ending clause it was to put in the model now i understand there's some doubt

[2:27:50] Voice 19: out by legal counsel as to its validity.

[2:27:53] Voice 19: And, but I had no problem

[2:27:57] Voice 19: with the provincial rental housing corporation.

[2:28:00] Voice 19: I just wondered why it had to be deleted.

[2:28:03] Voice 19: If it's ineffective, it was put in for a reason.

[2:28:06] Voice 19: There must've been some rationale for it being there

[2:28:09] Voice 19: as part of the model bylaw or the model agreement.

[2:28:12] Voice 19: And if it's not effective,

[2:28:16] Voice 19: leaving it in doesn't do anything to the agreement.

[2:28:19] Voice 19: If we

[2:28:20] Voice 25: take it out.

[2:28:21] Voice 25: Mayor Mrakas, You

[2:28:21] Voice 25: want to address this for

[2:28:29] Trustee Colbourne: without directed, I do have some background noise here with that directed.

[2:28:32] Trustee Colbourne: Councillor John Gallo,

[2:28:32] Voice 25: I was directed a planner to banner, you want to address this.

[2:28:36] Voice 8: Councillor Sarah Silver, apologies yeah thanks to the Chair so um yeah this housing unit was forwarded to BC housing, who, and they had commented on that last clause and whether it was in.

[2:28:51] Voice 8: not contravention but sort of against what the land title act allows so that and so our legal

[2:28:58] Voice 8: council agreed but then also noted that under this section 43 local government act you know

[2:29:06] Voice 8: the LTC does have authority but removing it doesn't it doesn't affect what you know the

[2:29:15] Voice 8: intent of what it's saying here so there was no issue with just removing it so i mean it's yeah

[2:29:23] Voice 19: so legal counsel has no issue with deleting it our legal counsel

[2:29:27] Voice 8: exactly yeah okay

[2:29:29] Voice 19: okay okay that's

[2:29:31] Voice 19: fair enough

[2:29:32] Trustee Rogers: okay if we're okay i'll i'll put a check mark beside are you okay with that trustee

[2:29:36] Trustee Rogers: Colburn? Yes. The next one is clause, sorry, is the, should be the, I would keep going. Oh, it's

[2:29:49] Trustee Rogers: the, which is just taking out the word termination. Anybody have any issues with that?

[2:29:57] Trustee Rogers: No. Okay. Then that's the check mark.

[2:30:00] Trustee Rogers: The next one is DD, we're placing society with owner.

[2:30:08] Trustee Rogers: I think that was your suggestion, Trustee Langevin,

[2:30:12] Trustee Rogers: so you're okay with that?

[2:30:15] Trustee Rogers: Okay, give a check mark.

[2:30:17] Trustee Rogers: And then we're down to the owner statutory declaration.

[2:30:21] Trustee Rogers: The next one was adding or subplot and that's here.

[2:30:25] Trustee Rogers: I think that again was your suggestion, Trustee Langevin,

[2:30:29] Trustee Rogers: so you're okay with that?

[2:30:30] Trustee Rogers: you're okay trustee Colburn I'm please speak up I'm trying to move it forward it

[2:30:36] Trustee Colbourne: to me it matches

[2:30:37] Trustee Colbourne: the language that's elsewhere in the agreement so it's just backing that up right

[2:30:41] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to

[2:30:42] Trustee Rogers: suggest that when we get down to occupant we just defer that because this is probably the area that

[2:30:47] Trustee Rogers: the tsunami we're going to comment on yeah

[2:30:50] Trustee Colbourne: and I believe we've had staff involvement and some

[2:30:53] Trustee Colbourne: proposals put forward so that's something we can continue to discuss and learn about

[2:30:57] Trustee Colbourne: so

[2:30:58] Trustee Rogers: why don't we defer that one and uh is that okay with everybody yeah yeah okay and uh then

[2:31:07] Trustee Rogers: we have the last one is um i think it's just a uh it's probably just a subsequent um yeah it's

[2:31:16] Trustee Rogers: just a subsequent uh adding or e so i think that one's okay so is there any other amendments that

[2:31:25] Trustee Rogers: that have arisen for you trustee Longines or anybody or trustee Colburn we addressed all the

[2:31:32] Trustee Rogers: ones that you that you wanted to raise uh

[2:31:36] Voice 19: no there are there's a couple of new ones but I

[2:31:39] Voice 19: we would do that for the next meeting I thought all

[2:31:42] Trustee Rogers: right so here's what I'm going to here's what

[2:31:44] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to suggest um we have uh a number of them that we have a group we would we can move

[2:31:50] Trustee Rogers: move pursuant to the staff report we have two that where we want to amend the the language and

[2:32:00] Trustee Rogers: two that we've deferred could i also

[2:32:03] Trustee Rogers: trustee

[2:32:04] Trustee Colbourne: could i sorry could i just suggest that trustee

[2:32:06] Trustee Colbourne: put forward the amendments or ideas that he has um so they're on the public record for this meeting

[2:32:12] Trustee Colbourne: and that then the housing society and the planner and every and the public has the chance to to look

[2:32:16] Trustee Colbourne: at those i think again then we're not into the same thing in the next meeting where we're putting

[2:32:20] Trustee Colbourne: things forward and then we're working on the fly.

[2:32:23] Trustee Rogers: So have you got those ready trustee Langeris?

[2:32:27] Voice 25: You can't

[2:32:34] Voice 19: hear you Chase. Do you want me to do it right I'll try to find the email so.

[2:32:43] Trustee Colbourne: I think as long as it happens during the course of this meeting.

[2:32:45] Voice 19: Yeah. That would satisfy

[2:32:47] Trustee Colbourne: you know as long as it's sort of on the public record and and the housing side is a chance I

[2:32:52] Trustee Colbourne: I don't want to put you under time pressure now to

[2:32:54] Voice 19: quickly hit the email but

[2:32:55] Trustee Colbourne: I think there will

[2:32:56] Trustee Colbourne: be a break i hope in this um and give you an opportunity to do that yeah okay

[2:33:01] Voice 19: i'll do that

[2:33:02] Voice 19: before the end of the meeting

[2:33:03] Trustee Rogers: okay so i'm going to move that the gabriel island local trust committee

[2:33:07] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 308 site as gabriel housing agreement bylaw number 308 be amended as follows and i'm

[2:33:14] Trustee Rogers: just going to reference uh the paragraphs in the staff report at uh paragraphs a d e f g h j k i m

[2:33:27] Trustee Rogers: and o b as per the staff report uh

[2:33:36] Voice 8: chair yeah that's uh it's not i it would be l

[2:33:40] Voice 8: sorry

[2:33:42] Trustee Rogers: it's

[2:33:43] Voice 8: not i it would i

[2:33:44] Trustee Rogers: say k i yeah okay

[2:33:47] Trustee Rogers: sorry k l m o so i'm sorry it's short for me

[2:33:56] Trustee Rogers: but that those be that those be amended as follows um as per paragraphs a d e f g h j

[2:34:06] Trustee Rogers: J,

[2:34:06] Voice 3: J, L, M, and O.

[2:34:10] Voice 19: Okay?

[2:34:12] Voice 19: I've got to find that list.

[2:34:15] Voice 19: This is a problem when we do this multiple stuff, isn't it?

[2:34:19] Trustee Colbourne: This feels like homeschooling.

[2:34:20] Trustee Colbourne: You're like doing the alphabet.

[2:34:21] Voice 19: It does.

[2:34:21] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I know.

[2:34:22] Trustee Colbourne: I'm

[2:34:22] Voice 19: trying to figure out.

[2:34:24] Voice 19: The list

[2:34:25] Trustee Rogers: is on page 21 and 22.

[2:34:27] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[2:34:28] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:34:32] Trustee Rogers: It's the list of the motions.

[2:34:35] Trustee Colbourne: I'll second that because there was a catch there with the L.

[2:34:41] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah.

[2:34:41] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah.

[2:34:43] Voice 19: Oh, I just, oh, I just, sorry. I've just, I misplaced the, uh, I'm just working

[2:35:01] Voice 19: for the agreements. Oh, here it is here. So A, D, E,

[2:35:13] Voice 3: F, G, H, J, K, L, M, and O.

[2:35:21] Voice 19: Okay. Yeah, that works. Sorry.

[2:35:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay. Yeah. So we've got a motion, uh, that's been seconded,

[2:35:28] Trustee Rogers: that all of those amendments be adopted in the thing.

[2:35:33] Trustee Rogers: So can I, is there any further discussion

[2:35:36] Trustee Rogers: related to that motion?

[2:35:38] Trustee Rogers: If not, we'll call a vote all in favor.

[2:35:42] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to also move that items I and N

[2:35:50] Trustee Rogers: in the staff report be deferred

[2:35:55] Trustee Rogers: uh till a future ltc meeting i guess we actually don't need to do anything with those no we don't

[2:36:13] Trustee Rogers: no we could just leave them so i i fired a banner do you have a preference that we could just leave

[2:36:21] Trustee Rogers: them we just don't have to do anything with them you'll you'll be conscious of the fact that those

[2:36:26] Trustee Rogers: haven't been dealt with yet oh

[2:36:28] Voice 8: yeah i've marked them

[2:36:29] Trustee Rogers: okay and then we have a a separate motion

[2:36:33] Trustee Rogers: which is B and perhaps I'll read the motion

[2:36:43] Trustee Rogers: and then if I could get Nadine to read out

[2:36:46] Trustee Rogers: the actual language that was agreed to

[2:36:49] Trustee Rogers: that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:36:51] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 308 cited as Gabriel Island Housing Agreement

[2:36:55] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 308, 2020 be amended as follows.

[2:37:00] Trustee Rogers: Article 1B agreement over lands be amended

[2:37:06] Trustee Rogers: It will

[2:37:07] Voice 15: design and construct only triplexes and duplexes on the lands, period, if an affordable housing funder requires a different configuration of affordable units, that configuration must be approved by the local trust committee.

[2:37:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so that was moved. Is there a seconder by Trustee Langley? So that was actually Trustee Colburn's motion.

[2:37:31] Trustee Rogers: we're just yeah yeah okay any further discussion related to that all in favor and then we have one

[2:37:41] Trustee Rogers: more which is the um the language that trustee langer eyes has put forward related to article

[2:37:48] Trustee Rogers: 1b so again that the uh the gabriel line local trust committee bylaw number 308 site is gabriel

[2:37:55] Trustee Rogers: line a housing agreement bylaw number be amended as follows article 1b uh agreement over lands be

[2:38:02] Trustee Rogers: amended uh by adding a new item v which states and then we have the language from trustee language

[2:38:10] Trustee Rogers: do we need i don't think we need you to read it we've all seen it um we can just insert the

[2:38:15] Trustee Rogers: language are you okay with that trustees yeah

[2:38:18] Voice 19: i'll second it

[2:38:19] Trustee Rogers: okay so all in favor of that

[2:38:23] Trustee Rogers: so that passes unanimously so uh i'm thinking that we don't need to do anything more at this stage

[2:38:31] Trustee Rogers: and unless you oh you have a motion do you want us to make a motion planner

[2:38:36] Trustee Rogers: Devanna regarding you know not about the other issues I

[2:38:42] Voice 8: have one prepared I'm not

[2:38:45] Voice 8: totally sure if it's necessary but it might be just to have it on record okay

[2:38:50] Trustee Rogers: so can can you give it to us again sure

[2:38:52] Voice 8: I'll just I'm gonna share yeah thanks

[2:38:56] Voice 8: Thanks Sonya.

[2:39:01] Voice 8: Okay, can you see that?

[2:39:05] Voice 13: Yep.

[2:39:05] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:39:10] Trustee Rogers: Okay, someone want to make that motion?

[2:39:13] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:39:15] Voice 19: Okay, I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:39:18] Voice 19: not proceed with further readings of bylaws 308

[2:39:22] Voice 19: cited as Gabriel housing agreement bylaw number 308, 2020

[2:39:27] Voice 19: in respect of the proposed housing agreement

[2:39:29] Voice 19: for application GBRZ 2020.1

[2:39:33] Voice 19: until comments are received from Sunama First Nation.

[2:39:36] Voice 19: Is there a seconder?

[2:39:38] Trustee Rogers: Okay, any further discussion related to that issue?

[2:39:41] Trustee Rogers: No, all in favor?

[2:39:43] Trustee Rogers: That passes unanimously.

[2:39:45] Trustee Rogers: So thank you very much.

[2:39:47] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure there's anything more to do on this right now.

[2:39:51] Trustee Rogers: We'll hopefully we'll be having communication

[2:39:53] Trustee Rogers: with Sunama soon.

[2:39:54] Trustee Rogers: Thank you to the applicant for your willingness

[2:39:57] Trustee Rogers: to let us work through this.

[2:39:59] Trustee Rogers: We've certainly narrowed the list down.

[2:40:02] Trustee Rogers: we're getting closer and we look forward to any comment I whatever comments you have related to

[2:40:08] Trustee Rogers: the motions we've asked we will hopefully get to some resolution on all of this in the near in the

[2:40:15] Trustee Rogers: not too distant future so thanks a lot is there anything further

[2:40:18] Voice 24: just just to make sure you don't

[2:40:21] Voice 24: lose the threat of having a trustee langer eyes additional comments by the end of the meeting

[2:40:26] Voice 24: that would be really helpful yeah

[2:40:28] Trustee Rogers: yeah okay so yeah we'll get those out just someone don't let

[2:40:32] Trustee Rogers: me forget that as we go as we grind on so trustees thank you very much for that we're now uh scheduled

[2:40:39] Trustee Rogers: to move into uh the next item on the agenda which is a temporary use permit i'm conscious of the

[2:40:45] Trustee Rogers: fact that we that we um have a we also then also have to have a um um a break and i'm also conscious

[2:40:53] Trustee Rogers: of the fact that we need to have an in-camera meeting

[2:40:58] Trustee Rogers: before we start the community information meeting.

[2:41:00] Trustee Rogers: So give me an idea how you'd like to proceed.

[2:41:03] Trustee Rogers: Do you want to move through the TUP right now

[2:41:05] Trustee Rogers: or do you want to take a break, a brief break for lunch

[2:41:08] Trustee Rogers: or how do you want to proceed?

[2:41:10] Voice 19: I wouldn't mind a brief break for lunch

[2:41:12] Voice 19: and I'll try to get those emails going as well.

[2:41:15] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[2:41:16] Trustee Rogers: So I apologize to the applicant.

[2:41:18] Trustee Rogers: I know that you've been waiting Mr. Graysdale and Nasichuk

[2:41:23] Trustee Rogers: but we're going to break for lunch and and also plan our clocks of course and it's now

[2:41:29] Trustee Rogers: 20 after one can we be back by quarter to two along and then we'll hopefully

[2:41:36] Trustee Rogers: we'll be able to move our way through some of this material more quickly okay thanks we'll

[2:41:43] Trustee Rogers: see you at quarter to two after a brief break for lunch thanks very much

[2:41:47] Voice 19: okay bye

[2:41:48] Trustee Rogers: and indeed

[2:43:48] Voice 17: Dean. Thank you for

[2:43:48] Trustee Rogers: your help during that session. We're now at 8.2 of the agenda as soon as

[2:43:56] Trustee Rogers: the trustees and the staff get back. There's Trustee Langeres and I'm just waiting for

[2:44:08] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn and Planner Cox. And are you here, Will? I am.

[2:44:19] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Will. Could you,

[2:44:21] Trustee Rogers: I see the applicants, Grisdale and Nassachuk, and I apologize if I'm mispronouncing their names.

[2:44:38] Trustee Rogers: I recognize their names from the application.

[2:44:41] Trustee Rogers: You could promote them to, and then I'll ask you, please, Mr., or I think it's Mr. Nassachuk

[2:44:57] Trustee Rogers: them to leave their uh camera and their microphone off until i turn to them uh so you're ready planner

[2:45:05] Trustee Rogers: cox um i just saw nadine so she's ready trustees you're both ready okay let's go it's uh 1 45.

[2:45:14] Trustee Rogers: um we're at uh 8.2 gbtup 2020.3 thank you welcome to um the applicants and uh what we'll do is we'll

[2:45:27] Trustee Rogers: get the planner's report. We'll have questions from the trustees to the planner and then we'll

[2:45:35] Trustee Rogers: invite the applicant to make any comments related to the staff report that you may

[2:45:42] Trustee Rogers: wish to make and the trustees may have some questions for you at that point

[2:45:47] Trustee Rogers: about your application and then we'll discuss amongst ourselves as our business item as to

[2:45:55] Trustee Rogers: to how we proceed with the application of staff report.

[2:45:58] Trustee Rogers: So over to you, Planner Cox.

[2:45:59] Voice 22: Okay, thank you, Chair.

[2:46:02] Voice 22: It's been, it's a long agenda,

[2:46:04] Voice 22: so I'll try to be fairly brief.

[2:46:06] Voice 22: I think the staff report largely speak for itself.

[2:46:11] Voice 22: So I think I'd start by addressing some,

[2:46:14] Voice 22: we're giving some regulatory background

[2:46:16] Voice 22: and addressing the number of letters that we received

[2:46:20] Voice 22: in response to the stat notification

[2:46:22] Voice 22: certification with various community concerns, some specific, I think, to the application and

[2:46:28] Voice 22: some more broad in nature. So GPs are somewhat, well, they are discretionary in terms of, you

[2:46:38] Voice 22: know, the LTC's power, similar to something like a DVP, for example. And, you know, in that they

[2:46:47] Voice 22: should be considered in their own merits but also evaluated against the tup guidelines in in the

[2:46:55] Voice 22: ltc's bylaw which staff does as part of this report and it's attached and so it's somewhat

[2:47:03] Voice 22: akin in some ways since there are some you know since the guidelines essentially act as some

[2:47:08] Voice 22: criteria so in that way it's a bit more akin or it's also akin to a development permit

[2:47:13] Voice 22: type application I would say so the current housing options review that's going on you know

[2:47:22] Voice 22: in speaking to the larger points that that were raised by constituents communications

[2:47:29] Voice 22: in the letters you know the housing options project may raise some points of concern that

[2:47:34] Voice 22: lead to LTC bylaw changes to address housing matters in the bigger picture but at the same

[2:47:41] Voice 22: time you know at the moment the community's bylaws remain in their current form and they

[2:47:46] Voice 22: they do contemplate both the OCP and the LEB contemplate and give a framework to applying

[2:47:54] Voice 22: for TUPs for commercial vacation rentals currently. There is also communication materials

[2:47:59] Voice 22: on our website that that present how to apply for and become lawful you know in terms of the

[2:48:07] Voice 22: commercial vacation rental use our bylaw team also directs applicants to as a remedy to you

[2:48:17] Voice 22: know potential infractions to apply for TUPs in order to legalize their their operation

[2:48:23] Voice 22: not just for commercial vacation rentals but also for bed and breakfast use which is somewhat

[2:48:28] Voice 22: different and so I think that is mostly it and bears mentioning that in this case the applicant

[2:48:39] Voice 22: has been very forthcoming in providing information as requested by staff beyond in some cases what

[2:48:48] Voice 22: was fairly and unusually complete and thorough application I would add so in closing just at

[2:48:56] Voice 22: at the LTC's discretion, of course,

[2:48:58] Voice 22: the applicant has expressed a desire to speak

[2:49:00] Voice 22: to the points raised in the public correspondence

[2:49:03] Voice 22: in order to provide their side of the information

[2:49:05] Voice 22: and to correct what they feel may be accusations

[2:49:09] Voice 22: made an error on certain points

[2:49:11] Voice 22: and provide some background on the property, et cetera.

[2:49:14] Voice 22: So staff can take any questions on the report at this time.

[2:49:19] Voice 22: And I think we'll leave it there.

[2:49:22] Trustee Rogers: Okay, Trustee, do you have any questions for staff

[2:49:24] Trustee Rogers: Alfred you wish to just hear from the applicant I

[2:49:28] Trustee Colbourne: was wondering about the historical activity

[2:49:33] Trustee Colbourne: bylaw enforcement where they can get any information there's no there's no timeline

[2:49:38] Trustee Colbourne: according to that so I'm not sure if that's a previous owner or this owner

[2:49:42] Trustee Colbourne: if you can give me any clarification as to the purpose and or timing of that

[2:49:47] Trustee Colbourne: enforcement file I'm not sure if that's possible at this time

[2:49:51] Voice 22: yeah so the bylaw enforcement file

[2:49:53] Voice 22: I believe is 2020 if I'm not mistaken sorry the report should state that somewhere I'm sorry I'm

[2:50:04] Voice 22: just having a hard time pulling it up I can also the applicant can probably also answer that

[2:50:10] Voice 22: question if I don't manage to pull it up here I believe it was July

[2:50:16] Voice 22: 2020 July 2020 thank you

[2:50:18] Voice 22: trustee got

[2:50:19] Trustee Colbourne: it and so I do see from their letter the date of their purchase date so that clarifies

[2:50:24] Trustee Colbourne: that.

[2:50:30] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Landry.

[2:50:32] Voice 19: Yeah it seems to be coming down to the issue of use well there's well there's

[2:50:40] Voice 19: the broader issue and then there's the issue of who is using the the dwelling and their behavior

[2:50:48] Voice 19: you know based on on the the letters that we've received but there's and there's the question for

[2:50:54] Voice 19: me then is what's the impact on the local neighborhood which is one of the criteria

[2:50:59] Voice 19: criteria, I believe for a TUP, we have to consider that. So I'd like to hear from the applicants, actually.

[2:51:14] Trustee Rogers: That's fine. I think perhaps maybe if that's the kind of questions we were interested in, let's hear from the applicant.

[2:51:22] Trustee Rogers: So I don't know who's speaking, who's here. I see their names here. But if you turn on your camera there, there, there's two people there.

[2:51:31] Trustee Rogers: go ahead and welcome to our meeting you're welcome to address the staff report or in anything and

[2:51:40] Trustee Rogers: also address your if you wish to address we've received I believe it's five but I may be wrong

[2:51:47] Trustee Rogers: I know there was one that came in later that was generally supportive of TUPs that I saw I think

[2:51:55] Trustee Rogers: yesterday or the day before, but then I think there were, yeah, Flattercocks.

[2:52:01] Voice 22: Yeah, just so the numbers were five Contra and then one Pro.

[2:52:07] Voice 22: Right.

[2:52:07] Voice 22: So six all together.

[2:52:10] Trustee Rogers: Right, and I did read them all, I'm sure we all did. So over to you,

[2:52:15] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure, I think it's Mr. Greesdale and Ms. Nasichuk, or have I got that backwards?

[2:52:20] Voice 6: No, you got it.

[2:52:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay, go ahead.

[2:52:22] Trustee Rogers: head.

[2:52:22] Voice 6: So I'm going to speak. I'm Erica. I would like to thank the trustees for giving us the

[2:52:28] Voice 6: opportunity to speak on behalf of our application. So I'm going to speak briefly in response to some

[2:52:33] Voice 6: of the information in the letters received. So with respect to property use, our family of four,

[2:52:38] Voice 6: plus my mom, visits the cabin at least twice monthly, as well as for extended periods of

[2:52:44] Voice 6: holiday time, meaning that it's not eligible to be a long-term rental. We did purchase the

[2:52:48] Voice 6: property in July of 2019 and our intent is to use it. We don't intend to rent it out full-time

[2:52:55] Voice 6: for short-term rentals and we are not absentee landlords. This summer it's expected that local

[2:53:01] Voice 6: travel is once again encouraged as it was last summer by public health. We have followed all

[2:53:06] Voice 6: health orders and kept any rental in line with current directives and we will continue to do so.

[2:53:12] Voice 6: We did rent it selectively last summer mainly to people visiting family and friends who live on

[2:53:16] Voice 6: Gabriola. We anticipate that the need for short-term rentals will also continue to be high

[2:53:21] Voice 6: as local travel is encouraged. I just wanted to speak a little bit to environmental stewardship.

[2:53:26] Voice 6: So I'm a professional registered biologist in BC as well as a certified arborist and tree risk

[2:53:32] Voice 6: assessor. I'm keenly aware of issues surrounding water conservation and marine debris. I have a

[2:53:37] Voice 6: master's degree in land and water systems and understand the linkages between land use and

[2:53:42] Voice 6: aquatic ecosystems. As stewards of our small lot, we've kept all the vegetation intact on the bank

[2:53:48] Voice 6: near the ocean in order to provide excellent forage fish habitat. We actually saw large herring

[2:53:54] Voice 6: masses this winter on the beach right by our staircase, so we're really happy to see that.

[2:54:00] Voice 6: We've picked up any marine debris we have found, and I can assure you we have not put any golf

[2:54:04] Voice 6: balls in the ocean. Our kids pick them up and bring them in. We remove invasive plants from

[2:54:09] Voice 6: our lot. We have signed up to be volunteers of the Gabriela Land and Trails Trust so we can

[2:54:14] Voice 6: participate in local events. I also let them know that as a registered professional biologist, I can

[2:54:19] Voice 6: help with restoration projects and in-stream projects that might be done. We also take water

[2:54:23] Voice 6: seriously, as shown in our water use plan. We installed low-flow toilets, a low-flow showerhead.

[2:54:29] Voice 6: We have signage up everywhere speaking to water conservation. We removed all non-native flower

[2:54:34] Voice 6: lower beds and put down native seed mixes that require no watering. While we do have a cistern

[2:54:39] Voice 6: on the lot, as mentioned in one of the letters, a cistern cannot be part of a water supply plan.

[2:54:44] Voice 6: Ours is just there to reduce the strain on the well pump and the water flow test shows that we

[2:54:50] Voice 6: have adequate water. So I wanted to speak just briefly to wildfire risk because it was raised.

[2:54:55] Voice 6: I issue wildfire hazard development permits for a local municipality and I'm keenly aware of the

[2:55:00] Voice 6: risks associated with fires and we would never make a beach fire nor have we. We've made note

[2:55:06] Voice 6: of neighbors having fires but we don't condone that. The beach in front of our property is public

[2:55:12] Voice 6: property and it's easily accessible one lot over from ours by way of a public marked path and we

[2:55:19] Voice 6: can't control people having fires on the beach but I can assure you it's not us. Another comment

[2:55:24] Voice 6: raised was vehicle traffic. There's a house near us that hosts large gatherings but as you're aware

[2:55:29] Voice 6: from our site plan. We are one lot away from a stop sign, so I really can't see speeding being

[2:55:34] Voice 6: an issue. We have only ever rented two small families with one vehicle very selectively last

[2:55:42] Voice 6: summer, and we've never seen dust to be an issue ourselves on that road. Again, we're one house

[2:55:47] Voice 6: away from a stop sign, so I really don't see speeding or vehicle traffic as an issue. As new

[2:55:53] Voice 6: members of the community, we feel we are as part of it as anyone else. We spend time and money in

[2:55:58] Voice 6: the community and plan to continue to contribute by volunteering our time and expertise. We donated

[2:56:03] Voice 6: to local causes on the island in lieu of Christmas gifts and we support the local food bank through

[2:56:08] Voice 6: our rental. We also encourage our guests to do the same and have a donation bin set aside for

[2:56:13] Voice 6: food items and cash that we pass along after every visit is made. We employ two local people that

[2:56:19] Voice 6: help us do cleaning and maintenance. They've happily agreed to be 24-hour contacts for our

[2:56:24] Voice 6: tough application. And if there are any guest issues, they can respond quickly and efficiently.

[2:56:29] Voice 6: We know that we are not a source of noise. We've never rented to large groups. In fact, it's been

[2:56:33] Voice 6: a couple with some kids and maybe an old Chihuahua once. And someone did mention we had a trailer on

[2:56:41] Voice 6: the lot. Yes, we had our own personal trailer there for four months while it was sold. It sold

[2:56:45] Voice 6: in September of 2020 to a happy couple on the island. And we never had anyone live in it, not

[2:56:50] Voice 6: not even overnight. So it was just there for storage. I guess in conclusion, we're requesting

[2:56:55] Voice 6: that our TUP be approved. We meet all the requirements and guidelines, and we feel that

[2:56:59] Voice 6: we've gone above and beyond to ensure that all local concerns have been addressed. We see ourselves

[2:57:04] Voice 6: as an asset to the community and to the island as a whole. Our guests will visit local businesses

[2:57:08] Voice 6: who are in dire need of tourism, and we provide them with information about markets, restaurants,

[2:57:13] Voice 6: and shops on the island. We protect the local environment and strive to better our neighborhood.

[2:57:17] Voice 6: We don't want to be held accountable for the actions of previous owners or our neighbors and

[2:57:22] Voice 6: their guests. We use the cabin very, very frequently ourselves and would no more accept noise,

[2:57:28] Voice 6: unsightly garbage, or a disruption to the community than we would expect our neighbors to accept.

[2:57:33] Voice 6: We feel that we are an example of how a short-term rental can be run well and be an asset. We

[2:57:38] Voice 6: sympathize with our neighbors at the frustrations and issues they've had from previous vacation

[2:57:43] Voice 6: rentals in the area but that is not the lens we want to be judged on. We do want the opportunity

[2:57:47] Voice 6: to do this properly and have accountability for our rental. We're asking that you approve of our

[2:57:52] Voice 6: TEP and we're really happy to answer any questions you might have for us. Thank you.

[2:57:58] Trustee Rogers: All right so I'm

[2:57:59] Trustee Rogers: going to turn to trustees for questions. Trustee Landry you indicated you had a question so why

[2:58:04] Trustee Rogers: don't we.

[2:58:04] Voice 19: Yeah yeah so what you're saying is the complaints are based on previous tenants and

[2:58:11] Voice 19: previous owners i read

[2:58:13] Voice 6: that the complaints were neighborhood based i don't actually think any

[2:58:17] Voice 6: were stemming from our house no

[2:58:18] Voice 21: i don't think we've had any related complaints so um we do have

[2:58:23] Voice 21: one neighbor and i mean we love our one neighbor uh as well but they own the property and they have

[2:58:28] Voice 21: a lot of family up there in the summer so it sounded like a lot of the comments about camping

[2:58:32] Voice 21: on the property noises parties even the beach fires i think might have been related to them

[2:58:38] Voice 21: there last summer because we noticed a lot of that activity ourselves so that's sort of why we wanted

[2:58:43] Voice 21: to bring it up because we wanted to make sure that that activity wasn't from our lot last summer as

[2:58:48] Voice 21: people had noted in the letters so i think that was just the clarification we wanted to make

[2:58:53] Voice 6: and we're there a lot of the time too yeah

[2:58:57] Voice 19: so it wasn't it's not not your tenants that were

[2:59:01] Voice 19: generating the issues we

[2:59:03] Voice 6: had a handful of people stay over the summer at various times with little

[2:59:07] Voice 6: little kids i mean i just don't see we knew a lot of them personally um a lot of my co-workers went

[2:59:13] Voice 6: i mean we didn't i don't think anything would have been from our property from the beach it's

[2:59:18] Voice 6: hard to tell whose is whose so we just wanted to make sure that you knew that we knew the fire

[2:59:22] Voice 6: rules garbage all of that we're very keenly aware of it and we would not have contributed to

[2:59:28] Voice 6: yeah

[2:59:29] Voice 19: and and the extent of the uh renting how is it once a month is it uh like not nothing

[2:59:39] Voice 6: and then shorter term a couple times a month in the summer i would say when we're not there or

[2:59:46] Voice 6: my mom's not there or friends aren't there no

[2:59:51] Voice 6: not not extended periods of time and not often

[2:59:54] Voice 6: often.

[3:00:00] Trustee Colbourne: Um, I'm wondering if you could speak to, uh, when you're not there and there are renters,

[3:00:06] Trustee Colbourne: what property management, what, uh, oversight will there be for neighbors or anyone else who

[3:00:11] Trustee Colbourne: do have issues? Cause you know, you're not always sure when you rent to somebody,

[3:00:15] Trustee Colbourne: how many people are going to show up and how responsive you can be to any issues that,

[3:00:19] Trustee Colbourne: that take place.

[3:00:20] Voice 6: That's a great question. So we have two groups of people that will do that for

[3:00:25] Voice 6: us. Um, I believe we have to share that information with neighbors, the contact

[3:00:29] Voice 6: information so we have two two couples that live on the island 24 7 and our we have a primary

[3:00:36] Voice 6: contact and then we have a backup so there's no no chance that no one will be there to respond

[3:00:41] Voice 6: if there are any complaints and

[3:00:44] Voice 21: our backup lives just within earshot of our property just on on

[3:00:48] Voice 21: whalebone there so they would be able i mean they would probably be one of the first neighbors that

[3:00:52] Voice 21: would be bothered by any partying or anything

[3:00:55] Voice 21: like that um and erica handles all the the airbnb and

[3:00:58] Voice 21: And we highly vet the people.

[3:01:00] Voice 21: I mean, one of the things is it is our own personal cabin.

[3:01:03] Voice 21: We plan as time permits to spend as much time as we can there.

[3:01:07] Voice 21: Like we don't want our house wrecked.

[3:01:08] Voice 21: We don't want our house ruined.

[3:01:09] Voice 21: We don't want the neighbors that we live next to to be offended and that sort of thing.

[3:01:14] Voice 21: So we do highly vet.

[3:01:15] Voice 21: And as I say, we try and rent to families, families with kids, that sort of thing.

[3:01:20] Voice 21: People who we really feel are going to treat our own place with as much respect as we would.

[3:01:24] Voice 21: but

[3:01:26] Voice 6: the 24-hour contact is definitely set up and and even with a backup and we are compensating

[3:01:32] Voice 6: for that so we know that they are they're taking it quite seriously and they're happy to do it

[3:01:36] Voice 6: i

[3:01:37] Trustee Rogers: did notice in your material you leave you don't your 24-hour contact is actually you

[3:01:42] Trustee Rogers: and not someone on the island no

[3:01:44] Voice 6: it's julia it should

[3:01:46] Trustee Rogers: be not in the not in the package

[3:01:47] Trustee Rogers: that's attached to this that's

[3:01:51] Voice 6: an error then it's julia saying sarah is one of them and then we've

[3:01:55] Voice 6: got ben across the way we actually have three and we have yeah we have we have lots sorry if that's

[3:02:01] Voice 6: in there i put julia on my on the one i wrote in on the application form yeah

[3:02:08] Trustee Rogers: no i'm talking

[3:02:09] Trustee Rogers: about the the document that's attached to the uh as your as your notice for your information

[3:02:16] Trustee Rogers: for renters oh

[3:02:18] Voice 6: yes that we can edit that yes we'll edit that

[3:02:21] Voice 6: yes that's a good point

[3:02:23] Voice 21: yeah that was more

[3:02:25] Voice 6: if they had questions about the lot during

[3:02:27] Voice 21: the during the rental of questions

[3:02:28] Voice 21: came up but um yes

[3:02:30] Voice 6: that's a good point to make yeah

[3:02:32] Voice 21: i'm

[3:02:34] Trustee Rogers: sorry to interrupt you have other

[3:02:37] Trustee Rogers: questions from uh the trustees i

[3:02:39] Trustee Colbourne: think planner cox has his hand up there maybe you want to speak

[3:02:41] Trustee Rogers: oh i'm sorry i didn't see you go ahead planner cox

[3:02:43] Voice 22: that's okay i was just going to add to that

[3:02:46] Voice 22: that um you know staff can require request that that information package be amended and also

[3:02:53] Voice 22: So condition 4.3 basically requires that if there's changes.

[3:02:59] Voice 22: First of all, it requires that we get that 24-hour contact information.

[3:03:03] Voice 22: And then if it changes, that we also be notified.

[3:03:06] Voice 22: So that

[3:03:07] Voice 17: is a condition of the permit.

[3:03:09] Voice 22: Yeah, it can be amended.

[3:03:12] Voice 22: You can edit, the applicant can edit that.

[3:03:13] Voice 22: Yeah,

[3:03:13] Trustee Rogers: I was referring specifically to the package that's in the, for the renters.

[3:03:20] Voice 21: Yes, yeah, we will make that amendment.

[3:03:22] Voice 21: It's

[3:03:23] Trustee Rogers: the contact numbers of the unit owners and there's doesn't appear to be anybody on island.

[3:03:28] Trustee Rogers: And so I would suggest you amend that. I

[3:03:31] Trustee Rogers: do. I do have another question, but I don't want to

[3:03:34] Trustee Rogers: usurp the two trustees. Go ahead, trustee. I

[3:03:36] Trustee Colbourne: have one question. So it doesn't one of the

[3:03:38] Trustee Colbourne: conditions that that I'm asking for is recognition of First Nations site significance and respecting

[3:03:45] Trustee Colbourne: recognition. That's not in there now. That's something that I would want to have when making

[3:03:49] Trustee Colbourne: the decision and not have a condition that the language just be placed in there and then we don't

[3:03:53] Trustee Colbourne: see it because we're operating under a reconciliation declaration with some foundational

[3:03:56] Trustee Colbourne: documents so if something is being approved by us i feel like we need to see that and that's not

[3:04:01] Trustee Colbourne: currently in this in this package so i'm just wondering if um the applicants or the planner

[3:04:07] Trustee Colbourne: can speak to that i

[3:04:10] Voice 6: i'm not sure i i went through the application document and and submitted

[3:04:16] Voice 6: everything that was listed did you need something else from us for that or does that go through the

[3:04:20] Voice 6: Planning Department?

[3:04:22] Trustee Colbourne: That would be one of the conditions within the TUP process

[3:04:28] Trustee Colbourne: is to provide that information. So the Conditions Department should require landowners,

[3:04:36] Trustee Colbourne: the Local Trust Committee may require the landowner to post information for guests about

[3:04:39] Trustee Colbourne: awareness and sensitivity of First Nations sites in Arafat. So

[3:04:42] Voice 17: that's

[3:04:44] Trustee Colbourne: something that I would want

[3:04:45] Trustee Colbourne: to look at and also just it sounds like you've got an amazing background in water conservation

[3:04:51] Trustee Colbourne: and some of the signage that's later in the information thing for guests is is excellent but

[3:04:56] Trustee Colbourne: um i think because water use as you well know is is it's so crucial especially where this place is

[3:05:04] Trustee Colbourne: located and the um the water usage there um i think that should be much more perspective

[3:05:09] Trustee Colbourne: perspective and clear in some of the documentation that you're providing to guests these guests come

[3:05:14] Trustee Colbourne: from a lot of different places that have different water um usage and conservation standards so

[3:05:19] Trustee Colbourne: So coming to an island is a very different set of circumstances,

[3:05:23] Trustee Colbourne: and that's where we can get into trouble quickly with STVRs.

[3:05:26] Voice 21: Yeah, we do have a sign and a placard posted by every faucet in the house

[3:05:31] Voice 21: and by the laundry as well.

[3:05:33] Voice 21: So, yeah, we actually have it next to each fixture

[3:05:36] Voice 21: about how seriously we take the water conservation,

[3:05:40] Voice 21: and we ask people not to do laundry unless absolutely necessary,

[3:05:46] Voice 21: you know, as few showers as possible,

[3:05:48] Voice 21: reuse towels reuse bedding the whole nine yards so and we we have that posted throughout the cabin

[3:05:53] Voice 21: so and

[3:05:54] Voice 6: we have drying racks so you don't have to wash all your towels we have extra ones for

[3:05:58] Voice 6: rain gear signed so

[3:06:01] Trustee Colbourne: i just wanted instructive um i feel like people could rent and learn from you

[3:06:06] Trustee Colbourne: to go take some practices back to where they're coming from which would be great i'm just saying

[3:06:10] Trustee Colbourne: that the documentation that we have as part of the application could spell that out more clearly

[3:06:14] Trustee Colbourne: okay

[3:06:14] Voice 17: and

[3:06:15] Trustee Colbourne: that it could be more um this is this is something they have to take seriously when

[3:06:20] Trustee Colbourne: they're here it's kind of buried within a bunch of other things

[3:06:22] Voice 17: okay um

[3:06:23] Trustee Colbourne: and so it's one of those

[3:06:26] Trustee Colbourne: items here that uh i i think could be improved um if yeah i'll leave it there i think the chair

[3:06:32] Trustee Colbourne: has some questions

[3:06:33] Trustee Rogers: well i i just wanted to point out i i gather uh i mean 4.5 of the draft permit

[3:06:39] Trustee Rogers: it does provide that we're supposed to be providing information for First Nations historical

[3:06:44] Trustee Rogers: use of the area and that's what you're referring to Trustee Colburn but you'd like to actually see

[3:06:48] Trustee Rogers: and vet the language related to that before we have approved any kind of a TUP is that what

[3:06:54] Trustee Rogers: you're saying?

[3:06:54] Trustee Colbourne: I think that that's come up in the previous we've done two TUPs I think

[3:06:59] Trustee Colbourne: one of them for an agricultural operation where the it's a subsidiary income source the other one

[3:07:06] Trustee Colbourne: had that language and we were able to work with the applicant on it. I think it's a really

[3:07:12] Trustee Colbourne: important piece of what we're doing and the education we're doing at the community and also

[3:07:16] Trustee Colbourne: for visitors here. And respect and recognition of the nation, I think, is central to that. And

[3:07:22] Trustee Colbourne: not having that in front of us as we make the decision makes that difficult.

[3:07:25] Voice 6: Is that something we would provide and you would vet?

[3:07:29] Trustee Colbourne: Yes, as a condition of the application, yeah.

[3:07:34] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah,

[3:07:34] Voice 21: yeah, no, I think it's a great idea. And we're certainly happy to jump on that right away.

[3:07:41] Voice 6: Do you

[3:07:41] Voice 21: say

[3:07:43] Voice 6: are there examples you could share with us of that wording? Or do we just?

[3:07:47] Trustee Colbourne: That's something we talked about when the last time came. So, you know, the option we may have,

[3:07:51] Trustee Colbourne: especially with the timing provided to us here today is to request more information from you,

[3:07:56] Trustee Colbourne: to see that package that you're providing to people, be more fulsome, according to water,

[3:08:02] Trustee Colbourne: and then provide that First Nations language and then perhaps if that can be done for the next LTC

[3:08:06] Trustee Colbourne: in April then we could look at this again. That's my kind of recommendation just in speaking with

[3:08:10] Trustee Colbourne: you and speaking with you it's you're presenting it stronger than your application does and with

[3:08:15] Trustee Colbourne: the information you're providing to the potential visitors and so I think we can do better.

[3:08:21] Trustee Colbourne: In

[3:08:21] Voice 6: the document we give people is that the piece that needs strengthening?

[3:08:25] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah for sure because that's how you're communicating with people and it's

[3:08:29] Trustee Colbourne: um it's also something that we're making our decisions on right yeah

[3:08:32] Trustee Rogers: and and and i'm hearing

[3:08:37] Trustee Rogers: you say the same thing related to effectively uh trustee colburn related to um i mean we there are

[3:08:44] Trustee Rogers: some encouragements for water use uh but i i get your your point is you think they could be

[3:08:50] Trustee Rogers: they could be uh stronger absolutely water yeah would you like

[3:08:55] Trustee Colbourne: and i

[3:08:57] Voice 6: think yeah

[3:08:57] Trustee Colbourne: go ahead sorry

[3:08:58] Trustee Colbourne: I

[3:08:59] Voice 6: just would you like us to update the signage in the cabin as well as in the book I think

[3:09:03] Trustee Colbourne: providing us we don't see the signage in the cabin because unfortunately we're not doing site visits

[3:09:07] Trustee Colbourne: or stuff like that I

[3:09:08] Voice 6: included a copy of it yeah the copy that

[3:09:10] Voice 21: I think you're scrolling down is

[3:09:12] Voice 21: actually a copy of the sign that's signage yeah but I mean

[3:09:15] Voice 21: that's also the signage that's there

[3:09:17] Voice 21: at every faucet because I yeah I feel like I send this information package out and people skim it

[3:09:22] Voice 21: they're excited about their vacation which is why

[3:09:24] Voice 21: we wanted to put it in as placards just to hit

[3:09:27] Voice 21: hit exactly because i think if if you miss a page i don't expect you to go reread it every day of

[3:09:32] Voice 21: your your vacation so that's why i want it to be just very front and center in there because again

[3:09:37] Voice 21: we use the cabin quite a bit and the last thing i want is to run out of water at the end of august

[3:09:42] Voice 21: when we plan you know when we're using it and that sort of thing so yeah

[3:09:45] Trustee Colbourne: i think i think the

[3:09:46] Trustee Colbourne: saying i've seen around here is on this aisle of fun and sun anyways i won't go into the same some

[3:09:51] Trustee Colbourne: of the things people have for septic use but um it's important that we do that in a really strong

[3:09:56] Trustee Colbourne: wrong way so um i get that it's that the signage languages include we don't what i'm saying is we

[3:10:01] Trustee Colbourne: don't see where it's posted or how often it's posted or what size of the font like that's an

[3:10:04] Trustee Colbourne: app that's part of the application that we don't necessarily know but um yeah thanks for answering

[3:10:09] Trustee Colbourne: my question so

[3:10:11] Trustee Rogers: my question is um a little different is uh i determined your your airbnb

[3:10:18] Trustee Rogers: listing is live um and it's it's actually showing availability for next week oh

[3:10:26] Voice 6: we have we don't

[3:10:26] Voice 6: we're not taking anybody though sorry i

[3:10:29] Voice 6: can change i mean i can change that easily yeah

[3:10:32] Trustee Rogers: so that was a

[3:10:34] Trustee Rogers: little surprising to me next week and the end i've

[3:10:37] Voice 6: just been denying them i didn't think to

[3:10:39] Voice 6: to change it sorry about that the

[3:10:41] Trustee Rogers: other thing i wanted to point out was it it does say that you

[3:10:44] Trustee Rogers: sleep nine and uh i think that that's that's obviously that i want to be clear that the

[3:10:51] Trustee Rogers: condition of the permit is six yes it should i

[3:10:55] Voice 6: thought i changed it to six you

[3:10:57] Trustee Rogers: know it's okay

[3:10:58] Voice 6: i can change that um

[3:11:00] Trustee Rogers: so you know those things were you know i went and found it

[3:11:04] Trustee Rogers: and saw the

[3:11:05] Trustee Rogers: the site and it actually gave me better pictures of the of the building and what i'm what we're

[3:11:13] Trustee Rogers: looking at but anyway it is live that didn't surprise me okay

[3:11:16] Voice 6: i apologize i just didn't

[3:11:18] Voice 6: i'm just not taking any i'm just denying them it's it does

[3:11:22] Voice 6: say six guests at the on the first page

[3:11:26] Trustee Rogers: um no on okay uh where did

[3:11:30] Voice 6: i see yes you're i did not change the paragraph i changed the number

[3:11:33] Voice 6: of guests yes

[3:11:36] Trustee Rogers: i can private beach sleeps nine comfortably in three bedrooms yeah at the beginning

[3:11:40] Voice 6: it says six guests okay i'll change that and

[3:11:44] Trustee Rogers: and i guess my question is is um there's lots of reviews

[3:11:49] Trustee Rogers: from September, October, and November.

[3:11:51] Trustee Rogers: So I'm assuming you were renting all through that period.

[3:11:54] Voice 6: We stopped in when we got the letter from bylaws.

[3:11:57] Voice 6: So that was in November, I believe.

[3:12:01] Voice 17: Okay.

[3:12:03] Voice 17: We

[3:12:03] Voice 6: stopped when we got the letter.

[3:12:05] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:12:05] Voice 6: And then did our application.

[3:12:08] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:12:09] Trustee Rogers: So thanks.

[3:12:10] Trustee Rogers: So I just

[3:12:12] Voice 3: want to make

[3:12:12] Trustee Rogers: sure, sorry.

[3:12:13] Trustee Rogers: I just want to make sure you understand

[3:12:14] Trustee Rogers: that one of the things, the options we have,

[3:12:17] Trustee Rogers: and one of the things that Trustee Colburn

[3:12:18] Trustee Rogers: and has has uh flagged is um uh and one of the options in our staff report is to uh ask for

[3:12:27] Trustee Rogers: further information before we consider uh granting or not granting this matter so you understand if

[3:12:32] Trustee Rogers: we did that that would be at the next meeting of the trust which would be in april

[3:12:36] Voice 6: yes in in april

[3:12:37] Voice 6: i heard yeah

[3:12:38] Trustee Rogers: so i i want to i want thank you do you have anything else you want to say before i

[3:12:42] Trustee Rogers: turn to the trustees for consideration on what to do with this i

[3:12:45] Voice 6: will edit that happily and turn it

[3:12:48] Voice 6: off i just edited the guest line but i will change the wording so thank you for sharing that piece

[3:12:54] Voice 6: with me and then just from what i hear we need to change the contact info in the guest book

[3:12:59] Voice 6: increase our water use information in the book as well as the signage in the cabin and add in

[3:13:07] Voice 6: the first nations language that's referenced in section 4.5 of the top did i get that i wrote

[3:13:13] Voice 6: that that's what i thought we

[3:13:14] Trustee Rogers: happen to have on with uh us the our senior government policy

[3:13:18] Trustee Rogers: advisor who's also our first nations advisor and i think she wants to say something so go ahead

[3:13:22] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:13:26] Voice 12: thank you chair and trustees so uh just letting you know that providing first nations

[3:13:32] Voice 12: information within a report could breach confidentiality and our relationship with

[3:13:40] Voice 12: First Nations so I would recommend that the planner and myself work with the applicant

[3:13:46] Voice 12: on that request that you've made and that in future the staff reports include a sentence

[3:13:55] Voice 12: saying that the application complies with the local trust committee's standing resolution

[3:14:04] Voice 12: solution on reconciliation which would be a generic so

[3:14:11] Trustee Rogers: given that this is information that

[3:14:14] Trustee Rogers: would go to the renters of the building you

[3:14:18] Voice 12: still would not provide that form of information

[3:14:21] Voice 12: especially not to people coming to visit your property because that's

[3:14:26] Trustee Rogers: the exact that's exactly

[3:14:28] Trustee Rogers: the intent of it

[3:14:29] Voice 12: yeah which would mean that people might start digging around looking for

[3:14:33] Voice 12: No,

[3:14:34] Trustee Rogers: it's not. I don't think it's about cultural sites or archaeological sites. It's about the sort of the generic history of the of the

[3:14:41] Trustee Rogers: Oh, I see

[3:14:42] Voice 12: what you're saying. Yeah, we can still work with the applicant to produce or provide that

[3:14:46] Trustee Colbourne: Some boilerplate language to respect and recognize the territory would be language that would be useful throughout the trust. So I think I brought

[3:14:55] Trustee Colbourne: this up when we did TUPs before

[3:14:56] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah,

[3:14:57] Voice 12: the applicant can reach out and I can provide them with that

[3:15:00] Trustee Rogers: So that's what it's about. It's not about heritage or archaeological information on the property.

[3:15:07] Voice 12: Yeah the staff report still should have included that clause saying that it complied with

[3:15:14] Voice 12: the standing resolution to assure trustees and the chair that that had been done.

[3:15:20] Trustee Rogers: Oh I see. Okay so thank you. So thanks for your comments. I'm going to turn back to the trustees

[3:15:27] Trustee Rogers: Now, partly because we have a community information meeting that needs to start shortly, but how trustees, how do you wish to proceed in terms of this?

[3:15:36] Trustee Rogers: I know that Trustee Colburn has raised the issue of making a motion to ask for further information.

[3:15:40] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Longar, we haven't heard from you.

[3:15:42] Voice 19: No, I agree with what Trustee Colburn is proposing.

[3:15:47] Voice 19: Actually, I did a search for their place as well, and I couldn't find it on the R&B.

[3:15:51] Voice 19: So I came into the meeting thinking that they had just shut it down.

[3:15:55] Voice 19: so I obviously didn't do a good enough search but that was so that was surprising to me. I have a

[3:16:01] Voice 19: little bit of concern about Airbnb operating during the time of a pandemic that is you know

[3:16:10] Voice 19: we're supposed to be doing you know primarily necessary visits and so I that that troubles

[3:16:17] Voice 19: me a bit and especially last summer and you know we don't know what's going to happen now once we

[3:16:25] Voice 19: approve it then we're basically sanctioning you know i mean we if you're a legitimate business

[3:16:32] Voice 19: you can do it but we're sanctioning uh potentially a behavior that is not really you know supported

[3:16:39] Voice 19: by the uh the health ministry so uh dr henry bonnie henry um you know i think part of the

[3:16:50] Voice 19: issue i guess is that i think we need to look at our tup uh temporary use permit provisions in the

[3:16:56] Voice 19: bylaw because as the planner said you know it sets out the primary guidelines for an application

[3:17:04] Voice 19: and uh and i from what i've heard from the uh the applicants is that the impact on the neighborhood

[3:17:12] Voice 19: and on some of the behaviors i guess is is not generated by the people that you've had staying

[3:17:18] Voice 19: there you know it's prior and i'm i'm assuming then that the complaint arose based on past

[3:17:26] Voice 19: behavior that they saw occurring again that's an assumption on my part but i i

[3:17:32] Trustee Rogers: having read the

[3:17:34] Trustee Rogers: letters i think it was more generic we don't like well commercial vacation rentals because they

[3:17:40] Trustee Rogers: cause these kinds of problems there were there was at least one issue that was raised about this

[3:17:46] Trustee Rogers: particular property and i think the applicants

[3:17:48] Trustee Rogers: has have acknowledged they had a trailer park

[3:17:51] Trustee Rogers: and I think the neighbor was concerned that someone was living in it and they've addressed

[3:17:56] Trustee Rogers: that issue but most of the rest of them appeared to be more you know we don't need anymore we don't

[3:18:02] Trustee Rogers: want anymore because they cause these generic issues noise beach parties I didn't think it

[3:18:08] Trustee Rogers: was directed specifically up this property as far as I could

[3:18:11] Trustee Rogers: tell well

[3:18:12] Voice 19: it didn't say it specifically

[3:18:13] Voice 19: I just I guess I made the assumption that it was in response to the tenants or the people that were

[3:18:19] Voice 19: renting there because

[3:18:20] Trustee Rogers: what i saw was one of the letters was that this was actually a long-term

[3:18:24] Trustee Rogers: was part of the housing stock on the island before it was purchased by the current owners there was

[3:18:29] Trustee Rogers: the renter in a renter in there but that's what

[3:18:33] Trustee Rogers: that's what one of the letters said it

[3:18:35] Voice 6: was a woman

[3:18:35] Voice 6: who passed away we bought it as an estate sale and she owned it since 89. yeah

[3:18:40] Voice 21: it's never been

[3:18:41] Voice 21: rented okay yeah anyway

[3:18:44] Trustee Colbourne: i want to thank the applicants for bringing this forward in the

[3:18:47] Trustee Colbourne: interest of time I think I'll make the motion that we request further information as documented in

[3:18:52] Trustee Colbourne: this meeting and the planners and the applicants can bring this back to us either hopefully by the

[3:18:57] Trustee Colbourne: next meeting and we can further discuss this. Okay

[3:19:00] Trustee Rogers: so I'm going to ask Planner Cox if that

[3:19:02] Trustee Rogers: language is enough for you to go forward have you got enough notes or do you need it to be more

[3:19:08] Trustee Rogers: specific?

[3:19:10] Voice 22: That's fine thank you chair. Okay I'll

[3:19:12] Trustee Rogers: second it. Okay that's been seconded any further

[3:19:16] Trustee Rogers: further discussion from the trustees related to this so it'll presumably once that further

[3:19:22] Trustee Rogers: information is provided it will come back to us probably in our April whatever the date is of

[3:19:27] Trustee Rogers: that meeting yeah okay thanks very much all in favor uh so that passes so we'll maybe see you

[3:19:34] Trustee Rogers: again in April thank you very much nice to meet you

[3:19:36] Trustee Rogers: Erica and I'm sorry is it Rob yeah yeah yeah

[3:19:40] Trustee Rogers: nice to meet you're in North Van somewhere I gathered from the address so yeah

[3:19:44] Voice 6: we'll be ready

[3:19:46] Voice 6: for the next meeting thank you for the information take

[3:19:48] Trustee Rogers: care take care thank you very much

[3:19:52] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to skip for the moment 8.3 I'm guessing maybe I could ask Sonia if we can move the

[3:20:01] Trustee Rogers: applicants back do we have Mr. Stile is here I see that thank you and Mr. Stile I'm just going

[3:20:10] Trustee Rogers: to the rest of you we're a little bit a little bit behind schedule but we're close to getting

[3:20:14] Trustee Rogers: getting ready to start.

[3:20:16] Trustee Rogers: But we're gonna have an in-camera meeting

[3:20:18] Trustee Rogers: before we start the community information meeting.

[3:20:22] Trustee Rogers: It should not be long.

[3:20:23] Trustee Rogers: So I would expect it to be 10 to 15 minutes.

[3:20:27] Trustee Rogers: So please, I thank you for your patience

[3:20:29] Trustee Rogers: in relation to this.

[3:20:32] Trustee Rogers: I have the language for the in-camera meeting.

[3:20:36] Trustee Rogers: Find the email.

[3:20:39] Trustee Colbourne: Just a technical question.

[3:20:40] Trustee Colbourne: Do we have to leave this meeting

[3:20:43] Trustee Colbourne: and open

[3:20:44] Voice 25: up the other one?

[3:20:44] Voice 25: Yes, yes, we do.

[3:20:45] Voice 25: What

[3:20:46] Trustee Colbourne: do we do, Will?

[3:20:47] Voice 25: What do we do?

[3:20:48] Voice 7: You need to leave this meeting, and then Lisa will have sent you an email with a link to

[3:20:54] Voice 7: the in-camera.

[3:20:55] Voice 7: You follow that.

[3:20:56] Voice 7: Then when you're done the in-camera, you leave that, and you come back with your panelist

[3:21:01] Voice 7: invitation that you had for this webinar from me.

[3:21:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you.

[3:21:06] Trustee Rogers: So, Will, here's the motion.

[3:21:08] Trustee Rogers: The motion is that the meeting be closed to public in accordance with Community Charter

[3:21:11] Trustee Rogers: part four division three section 92b for the purpose of considering information received

[3:21:16] Trustee Rogers: and held in confidence pertaining to government to government associations and the recorder and

[3:21:21] Trustee Rogers: the staff attend the meeting okay so all in favor so we're going in camera now um and uh we'll and

[3:21:31] Trustee Rogers: so we're going to leave this meeting but mr style and everybody waiting we'll be back in a few

[3:21:36] Trustee Rogers: minutes i think somebody

[3:21:37] Voice 15: send me a link to the meeting oh

[3:21:40] Trustee Rogers: yes we'll make sure you get it thank

[3:21:42] Voice 15: you sonya

[3:21:46] Voice 3: can you do that um

[3:22:07] Trustee Rogers: i think i'm live um my apologies to everyone that's in the attendees

[3:22:14] Trustee Rogers: list and was here for the uh community is here for the community information meeting uh we will start

[3:22:20] Trustee Rogers: shortly we are i'm waiting for a few of the the trustees to come back uh to the meeting and uh

[3:22:26] Trustee Rogers: will commence. I apologize for the delay. Can you, are you here, Will?

[3:22:33] Voice 7: Yes, I am.

[3:22:34] Trustee Rogers: Could you promote

[3:22:36] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Steele? Yeah. And I don't know if he has anybody else with him. He does. I'll promote

[3:22:44] Voice 7: everyone.

[3:22:46] Trustee Rogers: I see Lorena Melnick. I recognize that name as well.

[3:22:49] Voice 7: Yes, and Mr. Mayel as well.

[3:22:52] Voice 7: So I will promote all of them. Yes.

[3:22:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. If they're part of the community information

[3:22:58] Trustee Rogers: meeting yes I don't know if they're not part of the CIM then they don't need to

[3:23:02] Trustee Rogers: be if they're here for the staff report we can they don't they can they can wait

[3:23:07] Trustee Rogers: for them but it's up to them who wants to come for this community information

[3:23:10] Trustee Rogers: meeting

[3:23:11] Voice 7: yeah they all they all plan to speak so I will

[3:23:15] Voice 7: just promote them all

[3:23:16] Voice 7: and maybe they can just leave their cameras and mics off until you're ready

[3:23:21] Voice 19: yeah at the meeting I had a hard time hearing the latter half when they're

[3:23:29] Voice 19: hearing aid batteries died okay

[3:23:32] Trustee Rogers: but it's working now i

[3:23:34] Voice 19: i changed the batteries in the transition

[3:23:36] Voice 19: so

[3:23:37] Trustee Rogers: i so we have um uh i think i saw nadine you're back nadine thank you um and i know will's here

[3:23:49] Trustee Rogers: and i see the planners everybody everybody all set i'm i'm just conscious of the fact it's now

[3:23:54] Trustee Rogers: five minutes to three and i i want to again say to all the people that are here and to the to the

[3:24:01] Trustee Rogers: applicant the apologies we got behind in our schedule and then we had to deal with a matter

[3:24:07] Trustee Rogers: in camera for a little while that took a little longer than I should never say how long something

[3:24:12] Trustee Rogers: is going to take because I'm always wrong and so I want to move to item 13 what I think is now

[3:24:23] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure what number it is 15.1 which is the community information meeting this is pursuant to

[3:24:30] Trustee Rogers: to a motion we passed last meeting,

[3:24:34] Trustee Rogers: which is that we request staff

[3:24:36] Trustee Rogers: to hold a community information meeting

[3:24:38] Trustee Rogers: regarding the GBRZ 2019.1 on the understanding

[3:24:43] Trustee Rogers: that consultation was to name it first nation critical

[3:24:45] Trustee Rogers: the advancement of this application.

[3:24:47] Trustee Rogers: And this is that community information meeting.

[3:24:49] Trustee Rogers: We appreciate the applicant coming.

[3:24:54] Trustee Rogers: And I understand there's three representatives of them here.

[3:24:56] Trustee Rogers: We have a number of people

[3:24:57] Trustee Rogers: from the community with us as well.

[3:24:59] Trustee Rogers: and I'm going to start with over to the planner presentation

[3:25:05] Trustee Rogers: and then move on to the applicants

[3:25:07] Trustee Rogers: and a question and answer session.

[3:25:09] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for your patience and over to you planners.

[3:25:12] Planner Zupanec: Right, thanks so much.

[3:25:13] Planner Zupanec: So I'll be doing a short presentation

[3:25:15] Planner Zupanec: and then the applicants will also have some slides

[3:25:18] Planner Zupanec: that I'll be sharing.

[3:25:19] Planner Zupanec: So I'll be sharing my screen.

[3:25:20] Planner Zupanec: If everyone can hold their questions

[3:25:22] Planner Zupanec: until the Q&A portion of the presentation,

[3:25:25] Planner Zupanec: that would be great and we'll get going.

[3:25:28] Planner Zupanec: thanks so much okay so the purpose of the community information meeting today is to

[3:25:33] Planner Zupanec: inform and share the status of the proposed bylaws of which there are two that the local

[3:25:40] Planner Zupanec: trust committee is considering one to amend the gabriel official community plan and one for the

[3:25:44] Planner Zupanec: land use bylaw so we'll be talking about those in some level of detail they are attached in the

[3:25:49] Planner Zupanec: staff report package for this meeting agenda for those of you that want to get into the details

[3:25:54] Planner Zupanec: for the Q&A and we'll also be doing an overview of the application details so some things elements

[3:26:01] Planner Zupanec: that aren't included in the bylaws but that are part of the redevelopment proposal that are

[3:26:05] Planner Zupanec: important and one of the points of the CIM is for you to determine if your interests are affected

[3:26:11] Planner Zupanec: by this proposed redevelopment so that you can begin to prepare your submission to the local

[3:26:16] Planner Zupanec: trust committee either written or verbal for a future public hearing so we'll have the presentation

[3:26:22] Planner Zupanec: as we stated a facilitated Q&A so that you can answer ask your questions or if

[3:26:28] Planner Zupanec: this if you're watching the recording of this so that you know to contact

[3:26:31] Planner Zupanec: planning staff directly with your questions or in the questions can be for

[3:26:36] Planner Zupanec: me for the trustees or for the applicant so for those of you that have been

[3:26:42] Planner Zupanec: following this application you'll know all these details the rest of you that

[3:26:45] Planner Zupanec: are coming in possibly later or haven't been following along we received the

[3:26:50] Planner Zupanec: application in April 2019. In that time there's been a significant amount of work done to bring

[3:26:56] Planner Zupanec: forward all the professional reports that were requested by the local trust committee of the

[3:27:01] Planner Zupanec: applicant and early referrals to First Nations and agencies were done. Bylaws have been drafted

[3:27:09] Planner Zupanec: and vetted by the local trust committee and given first reading and there was a delay earlier this

[3:27:16] Planner Zupanec: or last year due to COVID-19 and earlier this year in terms of the application progression

[3:27:22] Planner Zupanec: at the LTC meetings themselves but behind the scenes there has been significant work done to

[3:27:28] Planner Zupanec: ascertain that the referral responses are coming through prior to a public hearing taking place

[3:27:33] Planner Zupanec: so that we can determine interests that are affected and how to address those in the content

[3:27:39] Planner Zupanec: of the bylaws. So we are here today March 4th with this community information meeting so all the green

[3:27:45] Planner Zupanec: green boxes indicate the work that's been done to date and then we've got blue boxes indicate the

[3:27:51] Planner Zupanec: steps that still need to happen so we can address those as well in a next steps discussion. So this

[3:27:58] Planner Zupanec: is the current layout of the proposed terminal which you're all very familiar with and BC Ferries

[3:28:04] Planner Zupanec: has been working for a number of years on the terminal redevelopment plan also known as the TDP

[3:28:10] Planner Zupanec: for this particular site and that plan sets out the long-term vision for redevelopment

[3:28:16] Planner Zupanec: and connection between Gabriola and the Nanaimo Harbour.

[3:28:19] Planner Zupanec: So lots of detail in that document, which is on our website.

[3:28:23] Planner Zupanec: Two island class vessels are proposed to be introduced in 2021,

[3:28:28] Planner Zupanec: replacing the Quinsom to better meet the demand.

[3:28:31] Planner Zupanec: So the proposed redevelopment key features include an increased vehicle holding area

[3:28:38] Planner Zupanec: to reduce the traffic backup along Taylor Bay Road, which we're all very familiar with.

[3:28:44] Planner Zupanec: the dedicated through lane for drop-offs and pickups at the terminal itself space for the

[3:28:50] Planner Zupanec: community bus and a new waiting room building with dedicated bike parking so some of the key issues

[3:28:57] Planner Zupanec: that are addressed and as i mentioned there's two um there's two bylaws being considered and

[3:29:04] Planner Zupanec: then the land use bylaw in order to ensure the redevelopment as proposed the current

[3:29:11] Planner Zupanec: marine and land-based zoning in the OCP and the land use bylaw do have to change. So here in

[3:29:19] Planner Zupanec: the red there's currently over five different zones that we have unfortunately covering this

[3:29:26] Planner Zupanec: particular site so this proposal aims to clean all that up to ensure that we've got one ferry

[3:29:34] Planner Zupanec: terminal zone that's applied to the lands of the actual ferry terminal so it is a bit of a cleanup

[3:29:39] Planner Zupanec: up of existing zoning and then for the marine areas an expansion of the water marine boundaries

[3:29:47] Planner Zupanec: to accommodate an increased tenure area and to also clean up some of the marine zoning issues

[3:29:53] Planner Zupanec: so you'll see these maps duplicated in the actual bylaws themselves as well so that's just

[3:30:00] Planner Zupanec: so everybody understands some of the zoning map changes so the first bylaw that we're going to

[3:30:06] Planner Zupanec: discuss is the official community plan bylaw and this is bylaw number 304 and so there's a several

[3:30:12] Planner Zupanec: elements of this bylaw that i'll summarize here and as i mentioned it's attached so please do go

[3:30:17] Planner Zupanec: through that bylaw to determine there's any pieces of it that you wish to ask questions about

[3:30:22] Planner Zupanec: so in this bylaw it stipulates the new ferry terminal land use designation which is very

[3:30:28] Planner Zupanec: important to clean up all the residential and other land designations that are currently in

[3:30:33] Planner Zupanec: place. It introduces some new policies specific to the ferry terminal land use designation.

[3:30:39] Planner Zupanec: It establishes a brand new development permit area that applies specifically to the site and

[3:30:45] Planner Zupanec: it's proposed to be called development permit area 10 and we changed the map in the OCP designation

[3:30:51] Planner Zupanec: to match the new ferry terminal designation as well as identify as part of the new development

[3:30:57] Planner Zupanec: and permit area. The other bylaw that the LTC has given first reading to is bylaw 305 and that's to

[3:31:06] Planner Zupanec: change the Gabriel O'Landy's bylaw. So some of the key changes in here include the new ferry terminal

[3:31:14] Planner Zupanec: zone and in this zone we have very specific regulations site specific for the redevelopment

[3:31:20] Planner Zupanec: of the ferry terminal. We have new parking signage and as well as bicycle parking requirements that

[3:31:29] Planner Zupanec: that are stipulated and the mapping changes as well

[3:31:32] Planner Zupanec: that are required to enact this development.

[3:31:36] Planner Zupanec: Also within 305, you'll see a whole suite

[3:31:40] Planner Zupanec: of development permit guidelines.

[3:31:42] Planner Zupanec: I think there's 21, yes, 21 new guidelines

[3:31:46] Planner Zupanec: that are directed at these four categories.

[3:31:49] Planner Zupanec: So protection of the natural environment,

[3:31:51] Planner Zupanec: protection of development from hazardous conditions,

[3:31:54] Planner Zupanec: energy, water conservation and form and character.

[3:31:57] Planner Zupanec: and an example of some of these guidelines you'll see the entire list in the bylaw itself but some

[3:32:04] Planner Zupanec: of these relate to the requirement for stormwater management covered bike parking interpretive

[3:32:09] Planner Zupanec: signage and those types of things at the time of construction so when the construction actually is

[3:32:14] Planner Zupanec: to commence BC Ferris would be required to apply for a development permit and be subject to those

[3:32:20] Planner Zupanec: guidelines as a separate process to this rezoning and just before I depart from that in the future

[3:32:29] Planner Zupanec: sure all future changes would also therefore be subject to any building or construction would

[3:32:33] Planner Zupanec: still be subject to those development permit guidelines. So the applicant was required to

[3:32:39] Planner Zupanec: was asked to submit a biophysical inventory of the land and marine areas shown in this image so

[3:32:46] Planner Zupanec: the buffer area you can see in blue and red and detail on site all the vegetation wildlife and

[3:32:54] Planner Zupanec: marine characteristics of the property. This is an excerpt from that biophysical report showing

[3:33:00] Planner Zupanec: the different habitat polygons that were mapped and the report is attached to the staff report

[3:33:06] Planner Zupanec: so you can read about those specific details and as well as the monitoring sites and habitat values

[3:33:18] Planner Zupanec: so these are just excerpts from the report and showing the area of infill in the marine area

[3:33:26] Planner Zupanec: area to accommodate that vehicular lane. So some of the key ecological attributes that

[3:33:34] Planner Zupanec: were recognized in this report that were important in developing the draft bylaws included the

[3:33:40] Planner Zupanec: Douglas fir ecosystem, the habitat values of that ecosystem for various species, confirmation

[3:33:48] Planner Zupanec: that the site does not overlap with a federally listed critical habitat or important bird

[3:33:56] Planner Zupanec: or wildlife habitat areas. It is within the Department of Fisheries and Oceans

[3:34:01] Planner Zupanec: rockfish conservation area, so we know that. And there were eelgrass beds observed

[3:34:08] Planner Zupanec: as well as potential at-risk marine species that may occur at or near to the site to influence

[3:34:16] Planner Zupanec: development. So some of the recommendations of the report included specifically invasive species

[3:34:22] Planner Zupanec: removal, sticking to the planting of native indigenous plants in the area,

[3:34:29] Planner Zupanec: removal of all existing creosote wooden piles, and the use of the sensitive steel

[3:34:36] Planner Zupanec: painted piles as part of the terminal infrastructure, restoration of the

[3:34:41] Planner Zupanec: existing eelgrass and marine vegetated habitats, and addition of more diverse

[3:34:46] Planner Zupanec: complex structured rock reef habitats. The second significant

[3:34:53] Planner Zupanec: report that was submitted dealt specifically with the water and the waste water servicing.

[3:34:58] Planner Zupanec: So that report is also included in the staff package in the agenda. So it was recommended

[3:35:05] Planner Zupanec: that the current pump and haul system be continued, that the site is significantly

[3:35:10] Planner Zupanec: challenged for in-ground wastewater disposal due to its proximity to the natural boundary of the

[3:35:15] Planner Zupanec: sea and its small size, and that the water servicing continue as per the current condition,

[3:35:22] Planner Zupanec: which is an existing water supply off-site.

[3:35:26] Planner Zupanec: So a permit to operate has been submitted

[3:35:29] Planner Zupanec: to the local trust committee.

[3:35:30] Planner Zupanec: And I think the only outstanding item related

[3:35:33] Planner Zupanec: to the water provision is a permit

[3:35:36] Planner Zupanec: from the ministry of transportation

[3:35:37] Planner Zupanec: that the water line located along the road allowance

[3:35:41] Planner Zupanec: is authorized.

[3:35:44] Planner Zupanec: The report also included a preliminary

[3:35:47] Planner Zupanec: stormwater management plan,

[3:35:48] Planner Zupanec: which would be required at the time of development.

[3:35:51] Planner Zupanec: So for the purposes of rezoning,

[3:35:52] Planner Zupanec: this information is provided to the local trust committee to give some assurances

[3:35:56] Planner Zupanec: that these issues have been identified and will be incorporated into the final design

[3:36:01] Planner Zupanec: so an archaeological impact assessment report by golder was also submitted that is not part

[3:36:09] Planner Zupanec: of the package that's publicly available as per provincial requirements and regulations any

[3:36:15] Planner Zupanec: alterations would require a heritage site act alteration permit and any excavation greater

[3:36:22] Planner Zupanec: than three meters requires archaeological monitoring on the site. The other issues were

[3:36:30] Planner Zupanec: of course related to coastal engineering considerations because of the proximity to

[3:36:34] Planner Zupanec: the natural boundary of the sea and predicted sea level rise issues. There was a professional report

[3:36:41] Planner Zupanec: that the terminal is not required to meet the professional guidelines for flood construction

[3:36:45] Planner Zupanec: for habitable buildings because it's necessary for the terminal to operate at the shoreline.

[3:36:50] Planner Zupanec: so it's you can't avoid some of those issues. Upland infrastructure would be designed to meet

[3:36:57] Planner Zupanec: the operational needs of BC Ferries and ferry operations would be suspended during storm

[3:37:03] Planner Zupanec: conditions. This is an example from the report of the two options that BC Ferries is considering

[3:37:10] Planner Zupanec: for the revetments along Descanso Bay to accommodate the extra vehicular lane

[3:37:18] Planner Zupanec: And that orange line delineates the current fill or the current, sorry, substrate of the bay in both locations so that you can see the amount of material that would be required to accommodate that additional lane.

[3:37:43] Planner Zupanec: so those bylaws that we've referenced were forwarded to a number of agencies and first

[3:37:50] Planner Zupanec: nations for referral as well as the gabriella island advisory planning commission and the ferry

[3:37:57] Planner Zupanec: advisory commission and i'll just review the input that's been received to date that the local trust

[3:38:03] Planner Zupanec: committee is still considering there was general support for the development permit guidelines the

[3:38:09] Planner Zupanec: the 21 guidelines that we talked about earlier.

[3:38:13] Planner Zupanec: The APC and FAC felt that there was an inadequate number

[3:38:17] Planner Zupanec: of public parking spaces provided.

[3:38:19] Planner Zupanec: Currently the regulations stipulate a minimum

[3:38:21] Planner Zupanec: of seven spaces and the APC had indicated

[3:38:26] Planner Zupanec: that they wish for that number to be increased

[3:38:28] Planner Zupanec: and that the staff parking or crew parking requirements

[3:38:31] Planner Zupanec: for BC ferries be accommodated off site.

[3:38:36] Planner Zupanec: That there be an increased number

[3:38:38] Planner Zupanec: for accessible parking spaces provided

[3:38:40] Planner Zupanec: provided and an increase from the 12 bicycle parking spaces that are currently in the regulations

[3:38:46] Planner Zupanec: to 24 and the APC felt that the commercial retail space that was being accommodated in

[3:38:53] Planner Zupanec: the zone would not be supported, that it should be limited through specific conditions or

[3:38:59] Planner Zupanec: limited in size to floor area and that the signage adhere to the existing sign regulations

[3:39:06] Planner Zupanec: in the land use by-law, so that would preclude

[3:39:09] Planner Zupanec: the electronic display board

[3:39:11] Planner Zupanec: that's currently installed on sites.

[3:39:15] Planner Zupanec: And there was some concerns regarding

[3:39:17] Planner Zupanec: the new OCP advocacy policies as well,

[3:39:22] Planner Zupanec: which is referenced in their referral response.

[3:39:25] Planner Zupanec: So for those of you that haven't looked

[3:39:27] Planner Zupanec: at the terminal redevelopment plan,

[3:39:28] Planner Zupanec: the parking configuration is overlaid

[3:39:30] Planner Zupanec: on the existing aerial photo here to show those spaces

[3:39:35] Planner Zupanec: that would be public and crew spaces as well as the layout of the terminal

[3:39:42] Planner Zupanec: itself the waiting room the pickup drop-off designated lane area for the

[3:39:47] Planner Zupanec: bus and the school bus and the bicycle parking so we have a vital referrals

[3:39:54] Planner Zupanec: database and we track all the referral responses that we've received to date

[3:39:59] Planner Zupanec: that would form part of the public hearing package so I've commented on

[3:40:03] Planner Zupanec: some of the referral responses we've received from the FAC and the APC and

[3:40:07] Planner Zupanec: and we're still waiting for a number of First Nations

[3:40:09] Planner Zupanec: and agency comments to be received

[3:40:11] Planner Zupanec: prior to the close of the public hearing.

[3:40:13] Planner Zupanec: So we're keeping track of that.

[3:40:16] Planner Zupanec: And the next steps in any rezoning application

[3:40:19] Planner Zupanec: after a community information meeting

[3:40:21] Planner Zupanec: might be for the local trust committee

[3:40:22] Planner Zupanec: to consider possible amendments to those bylaws

[3:40:26] Planner Zupanec: and further readings before they're able to proceed

[3:40:29] Planner Zupanec: to a public hearing to ensure that the bylaws

[3:40:32] Planner Zupanec: are as close to final as possible.

[3:40:37] Planner Zupanec: So the applicant is going to be presenting a few slides at this point in time before we switch to the questions.

[3:40:46] Planner Zupanec: I'm just going to stop sharing the screen and switch to their slides.

[3:40:49] Planner Zupanec: So thank you so much. If you can hold your questions until the Q&A, that would be great.

[3:40:55] Trustee Rogers: Who's presenting on behalf of the applicant?

[3:40:58] Trustee Rogers: We'll start

[3:40:59] Planner Zupanec: with John Stile will be the first presenter.

[3:41:02] Voice 17: Thank you.

[3:41:03] Voice 17: Good

[3:41:10] Voice 5: afternoon my name is John Stile I'm a planner with Stantec I'm the applicant on behalf of BC

[3:41:16] Voice 5: Ferries we're going to be fair fairly brief here I just wanted to indicate support for the staff

[3:41:24] Voice 5: recommendations that they put forward in the agenda I know I've said this before but we're

[3:41:31] Voice 5: very anxious to get going that BC Ferries needs the certainty of support from the local trust

[3:41:39] Voice 5: Committee for moving ahead on its plan for improving service to Gabriola. We'd

[3:41:47] Voice 5: also like to indicate a support for alternative to in the on page 24 of your

[3:41:54] Voice 5: agenda about giving second reading to the bylaws. Mr. Stephen Mayall from BC

[3:42:02] Voice 5: Ferries is going to make a very brief three slide presentation on the project

[3:42:07] Voice 5: and then Lorena Melnick from BC Ferries says we'd like to get a bit of an update

[3:42:15] Voice 5: from the local trustees about the First Nations consultation. So Stephen, I'm assuming he has to

[3:42:45] Voice 5: unmute. Okay, can you

[3:42:49] Voice 13: hear me now John okay? Yeah.

[3:42:52] Voice 13: Okay, thanks for that. So yeah, Steve

[3:42:54] Voice 13: Steve Mayall here from BBC Ferries.

[3:42:56] Voice 13: I'm the project manager looking after the construction,

[3:43:01] Voice 13: the design for this terminal and the Nanaimo terminal.

[3:43:07] Voice 13: I'd just like to go over the three key elements of what we're doing here.

[3:43:13] Voice 13: We've first of all got the vessel,

[3:43:17] Voice 13: then we've got the uplands, the landside area,

[3:43:20] Voice 13: then the berth.

[3:43:22] Voice 13: what you can see in front of you is the new island class vessels or vessel that will be coming to

[3:43:33] Voice 13: this um i think sonia you said in 2021 it's going to be early 2022 when these vessels will be here

[3:43:44] Voice 13: they're currently being constructed the first one was launched um a couple of weeks ago the

[3:43:53] Voice 13: The important thing to note is that we'll be taking away the Quinsom and replacing it with two vessels.

[3:43:59] Voice 13: These two vessels will have what we call a 47 AEQ capacity.

[3:44:07] Voice 13: AEQ stands for an automobile equivalent, so basically 47 cars each, with a capacity of 300 to 450 passengers and crew.

[3:44:17] Voice 13: crew. The Quinson, which will leave the route, currently has a capacity of 63 AEQ with a capacity

[3:44:28] Voice 13: of 400 passengers and crew. One of the important things to note about these new vessels is these

[3:44:38] Voice 13: are electric hybrid vessels. They have a small generator on board which power the batteries.

[3:44:46] Voice 13: batteries. These batteries then power the two propellers in the vessel. There is flexibility

[3:44:55] Voice 13: when the infrastructure is available to go fully electric. So we plan in the future to

[3:45:02] Voice 13: go fully electric on this route and other routes within BC Ferris. And as I just said,

[3:45:10] Voice 13: this is planned to go into service in early 2022. So if we could go to the next slide,

[3:45:19] Voice 13: please so this is just a snapshot of where we are with the holding compound as was mentioned

[3:45:32] Voice 13: the design of the uplands and the marine structures came about following what we call a tdp

[3:45:40] Voice 13: a terminal development plan which looks at a long-term 25-year vision for the terminal

[3:45:48] Voice 13: this was developed following public consultation open houses online questionnaires things like that

[3:45:59] Voice 13: The key features of what we're trying to do here is to provide a holding compound for approximately 50 cars, then equates to approximately one full load for a vessel, separated foot passenger walkways, a new waiting room, dedicated pickup drop-off, school bus, parking bay, and an area for the Gertie bus to park as well.

[3:46:32] Voice 13: I think it was mentioned that this TDP is available on the Islands Trust website.

[3:46:40] Voice 13: It's also available on the BC Ferries website under the title of Projects and Community Investment.

[3:46:47] Voice 13: So if anybody wants to look at the TDP, it's a publicly available document.

[3:46:52] Voice 13: Could we go to the third one, please, Tanya?

[3:47:03] Voice 13: So this is a view of the proposed new berth, and in the background, you can see the existing berth.

[3:47:10] Voice 13: This is what we call at BC Ferries a standardized berth, which is designed to fit all minor and

[3:47:22] Voice 13: intermediate vessels. So we can fit Blitzer, the Colokey, those very small vessels if we needed to,

[3:47:30] Voice 13: up to a Salish class vessel. We're not proposing to put a Salish class on this route. We now

[3:47:39] Voice 13: We now install a berth that fits all these vessels so we can get maximum flexibility

[3:47:45] Voice 13: with interoperability with the vessels.

[3:47:51] Voice 13: The highlights of this berth is we have a floating concrete pontoon, as opposed to what

[3:47:58] Voice 13: we've got at the moment, fixed towers, you'll probably see that when the vessel comes into

[3:48:03] Voice 13: the berth, crew get off the vessel, they do a ramp adjustment, put the pins in, they put

[3:48:10] Voice 13: put the ramp down onto the pins, and all that takes time.

[3:48:15] Voice 13: But this arrangement, we don't have that.

[3:48:19] Voice 13: Ramp is fixed.

[3:48:21] Voice 13: All we do is put the apron on the deck of the vessel, and then we unload.

[3:48:26] Voice 13: We're proposing to put in a two-lane ramp,

[3:48:32] Voice 13: so a much wider ramp than we've got at the moment,

[3:48:36] Voice 13: and something called transition aprons to improve the geometry of the ramp

[3:48:42] Voice 13: such that we absolutely minimize any issues with vehicles with less clearance on them.

[3:48:53] Voice 13: Full highway legal.

[3:48:54] Voice 13: Currently, we're about 46 tons maximum capacity on the ramp.

[3:49:03] Voice 13: We plan to go full highway legal.

[3:49:09] Voice 13: Also, a key feature of what we're looking to do is put in separate foot passenger walkways.

[3:49:17] Voice 13: Currently, when you load and unload on the existing berth, you have to walk down the ramp,

[3:49:22] Voice 13: you have to wait for the passengers to clear, and then we can load and unload vehicles.

[3:49:28] Voice 13: We plan to put in separated foot passenger walkways

[3:49:32] Voice 13: so that we can speed up the operation for loading and unloading of the vehicles.

[3:49:43] Voice 13: As I say, in the background, you can see the existing berth.

[3:49:47] Voice 13: We plan to demolish that entirely.

[3:49:50] Voice 13: highly and i think the previous presentation you said about removing all piles and things like that

[3:49:56] Voice 13: yes that is what we intend to do for these marine structures and the uplands though in order to

[3:50:08] Voice 13: implement them we need this ccp amendment and the rezoning to go through once we've got certainty

[3:50:17] Voice 13: of that we can then plan for when we're actually going to be doing this project so that ends my

[3:50:24] Voice 13: my brief presentation. I don't know whether Lorena has anything to add to that, or John?

[3:50:42] Voice 5: No, I don't have anything specific to add, but I do hope we can hear from the local trustees

[3:50:51] Voice 5: about one of the outstanding issues related to the First Nations consultation. We discussed

[3:51:01] Voice 5: that at the last meeting.

[3:51:04] Voice 5: So we have that question to you.

[3:51:07] Trustee Rogers: Well, yeah, this is the community information meeting.

[3:51:12] Trustee Rogers: We've had the presentations.

[3:51:13] Trustee Rogers: If there's no further presentation from the applicant,

[3:51:18] Trustee Rogers: I'll turn it back to the planner.

[3:51:20] Trustee Rogers: Do you have anything, is there anything further

[3:51:22] Trustee Rogers: before we go to the Q&A session?

[3:51:24] Voice 5: No, we're good and we'll certainly be prepared

[3:51:28] Voice 5: to listen to any comments from anybody.

[3:51:30] Voice 5: And if we can assist with your answering questions,

[3:51:33] Voice 5: questions, we're more than happy to do that.

[3:51:36] Voice 14: I if you don't mind, I'd like to say hello as well.

[3:51:42] Voice 14: I trustees, Island's trust representatives, Island community.

[3:51:47] Voice 14: I just wanted to express my gratitude

[3:51:50] Voice 14: for another opportunity to meet with you about our application.

[3:51:53] Voice 14: I'm Lorena Melnick.

[3:51:55] Voice 14: I'm the manager of Indigenous Relations with BC Ferries.

[3:51:59] Voice 14: I would like to acknowledge I'm originally

[3:52:00] Voice 14: from Treaty 1 territory and I now live, work and play in the beautiful lands and waters

[3:52:06] Voice 14: of the Qualicum First Nation, Wiwikai, Wiwikum and Comox First Nations.

[3:52:12] Voice 14: I'm hoping as part of our conversation today, I would be very appreciative just to build

[3:52:17] Voice 14: off of our last discussion in January to learn more about the efforts that Islands Trust

[3:52:23] Voice 14: has made since January to further consult with First Nations who have a demonstrated

[3:52:28] Voice 14: interest in our application of course i'm open and flexible to have a further conversation about

[3:52:34] Voice 14: bc ferry's efforts as well but i would have a lot of gratitude to learn what efforts to date

[3:52:40] Voice 14: the trustees or islands trust staff have made on progress on this on first nations consultation so

[3:52:47] Voice 14: thanks again for the opportunity and i look forward to our discussion so

[3:52:55] Trustee Rogers: i'd like to conclude

[3:52:56] Trustee Rogers: before we get into the staff report i'd like to conclude the community information meeting

[3:53:00] Trustee Rogers: And I think we've had the both presentations so I think at this stage we open it up to

[3:53:07] Trustee Rogers: questions and answers the questions from either trustees for the applicant or for the planner

[3:53:15] Trustee Rogers: or for from members of the community.

[3:53:18] Trustee Rogers: If you wish to ask a question either of the planner or in relation to this matter or of

[3:53:27] Trustee Rogers: of the BC Ferries and the applicant,

[3:53:30] Trustee Rogers: please, if you're attending, please raise your hand.

[3:53:34] Trustee Rogers: There's a raise hand function

[3:53:36] Trustee Rogers: on the bottom middle of your screen,

[3:53:38] Trustee Rogers: and you can raise your hand at this point

[3:53:41] Trustee Rogers: and I will recognize you

[3:53:43] Trustee Rogers: and you'll be given the opportunity to ask your question.

[3:53:46] Trustee Rogers: I'm not seeing any questions, Sonia.

[3:53:59] Planner Zupanec: Well, maybe we've answered everything.

[3:54:02] Trustee Rogers: Maybe everybody has their answers to everything.

[3:54:04] Trustee Rogers: So, that being the case, if nobody has any questions or comments they wish to make related

[3:54:12] Trustee Rogers: to the project at this point, I'll end the community information meeting portion of the

[3:54:19] Trustee Rogers: meeting.

[3:54:20] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for the presentations and we'll move to the next item on the agenda,

[3:54:26] Trustee Rogers: which is the application 15 GB 2019.1,

[3:54:34] Trustee Rogers: which is at 133 of the package.

[3:54:38] Trustee Rogers: And again, we keep the three people there

[3:54:42] Trustee Rogers: for from ferries as the applicants in this matter.

[3:54:46] Trustee Rogers: And I'll turn it over to you, Plano Zubovic,

[3:54:49] Trustee Rogers: if you wish to summarize your report

[3:54:51] Trustee Rogers: or just add it there for questions, Pam.

[3:54:54] Planner Zupanec: yeah the report is self-explanatory through the chair with the attachments that were required

[3:55:00] Planner Zupanec: as part of this community information meeting so i am available for any questions that you have

[3:55:05] Planner Zupanec: around the presentation materials or the recommended next steps and we also can have our

[3:55:14] Planner Zupanec: first nation senior intergovernmental policy advisor available if you have any questions

[3:55:19] Planner Zupanec: specific for her and we can bring her into the meeting as well actually

[3:55:24] Trustee Rogers: i don't actually see her

[3:55:26] Trustee Rogers: i don't know

[3:55:27] Planner Zupanec: but we can uh yeah she's on standby so we can pull

[3:55:30] Trustee Rogers: oh okay because i knew she had

[3:55:31] Trustee Rogers: another meeting at three o'clock so um i wasn't sure she was going to be uh available to us so

[3:55:39] Trustee Rogers: trustee do you have any questions related to the staff report to to um before we return to the

[3:55:46] Trustee Rogers: applicant i'm not seeing no okay um so turning that to the applicant uh we we heard a couple

[3:56:01] Trustee Rogers: of comments related from the staff i want to just say that that of course uh one of the motions we

[3:56:08] Trustee Rogers: asked we put on and i heard um i'm sorry i miss melnick comment she'd like to know what the

[3:56:15] Trustee Rogers: trustees have done of course the motion for the last meeting was that the local trust committee

[3:56:20] Trustee Rogers: request BC Ferries to provide an update on all efforts of consultation with Sustainable First

[3:56:26] Trustee Rogers: Nations regarding the application. That was actually what we requested from you in relation

[3:56:34] Trustee Rogers: to us taking further steps forward. So we invite you to, if you wish to do that at this point.

[3:56:48] Voice 14: Sorry, I didn't quite catch your question. Did you say that you were waiting for us to

[3:56:52] Voice 14: to share with you more information about our efforts

[3:56:55] Voice 14: to date to engage with First Nations?

[3:56:57] Voice 14: That

[3:56:57] Trustee Rogers: was the specific motion that was passed

[3:57:00] Trustee Rogers: at our last meeting,

[3:57:03] Trustee Rogers: that the Gabriela Local Trust Committee

[3:57:05] Trustee Rogers: request BC Ferries provide an update

[3:57:07] Trustee Rogers: on all efforts of consultation

[3:57:09] Trustee Rogers: with the same First Nations regarding this application.

[3:57:12] Voice 14: Since January?

[3:57:15] Trustee Rogers: Since the meeting of January 25th, I think was the date.

[3:57:23] Trustee Rogers: I'm just guessing 21st yeah sure

[3:57:27] Voice 14: I can provide a very brief update on our efforts to date

[3:57:30] Voice 14: um I'm not sure necessarily how appropriate is to share with with the public for detail

[3:57:36] Trustee Rogers: but the issue the discussion we had was as you recall from from January was you know whose

[3:57:44] Trustee Rogers: responsibility was to consult and what our concerns were related to the issues we had

[3:57:49] Trustee Rogers: and the motion we passed at that point was that we request BC Ferries provide an update on all

[3:57:56] Trustee Rogers: efforts of consultation with the City of First Nation regarding this application and that was

[3:58:01] Trustee Rogers: the motion we passed in that meeting in January the 21st along with the meeting the motion related

[3:58:08] Trustee Rogers: to the community information meeting so if you had some information you felt that you could pass

[3:58:13] Trustee Rogers: on to us related to that and where you're at in your consultation process that would help us

[3:58:18] Trustee Rogers: and determining what to do with our our various uh steps going forward sure

[3:58:23] Voice 14: i can provide a very

[3:58:25] Voice 14: brief overview of our activities um i know that i can share that we do we have been in touch with

[3:58:32] Voice 14: dunamuk first nation um with regards to our project at descano bay as well as nanaimo harbor

[3:58:39] Voice 14: we do have a meeting scheduled next week to discuss both of these both of our projects

[3:58:45] Voice 14: Of course, I don't have any details to share with you yet about what some of the anticipated

[3:58:52] Voice 14: issues we may hear or some of the outcomes, but we'd be happy to share more information

[3:58:58] Voice 14: with you following that meeting if it's appropriate.

[3:59:02] Voice 14: Of course, we've made some agreements with SNAEMUC that some of the information that

[3:59:08] Voice 14: that we may share or exchange at our meetings

[3:59:11] Voice 14: would be held between us.

[3:59:14] Voice 14: But it's something that I would have to ask them

[3:59:17] Voice 14: what can be shared directly with you,

[3:59:19] Voice 14: but I would not feel comfortable necessarily disclosing it

[3:59:22] Voice 14: in this kind of public forum.

[3:59:24] Trustee Rogers: That's fine.

[3:59:25] Trustee Rogers: And I appreciate that.

[3:59:26] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate that commentary and that you're,

[3:59:29] Trustee Rogers: but that you do have a meeting scheduled

[3:59:31] Trustee Rogers: with them next week for meetings.

[3:59:34] Voice 14: Yes, so that will, that is set to occur next week.

[3:59:38] Voice 14: Apart from that, we have not had an opportunity

[3:59:42] Voice 14: to meet with them directly to discuss the project

[3:59:44] Voice 14: at Toscano Bay.

[3:59:45] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you very much.

[3:59:50] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, did I see your hand up Planner Zipanich?

[3:59:55] Trustee Rogers: Do either of the trustees have any questions

[3:59:58] Trustee Rogers: for the applicant?

[4:00:04] Trustee Rogers: Quiet group today.

[4:00:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you very much.

[4:00:10] Trustee Rogers: We have, then we'll move,

[4:00:12] Trustee Rogers: if there's no other questions for the applicant,

[4:00:14] Trustee Rogers: we could go to the staff report and trustees,

[4:00:19] Trustee Rogers: there's a number of,

[4:00:25] Trustee Rogers: I actually do have, well, it's a, no, nevermind.

[4:00:29] Trustee Rogers: I don't need to know the answer to that question.

[4:00:31] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, it was more of a question of interest.

[4:00:33] Trustee Rogers: is something you cannot avoid chair

[4:00:35] Voice 7: rogers i just wanted to draw your attention to uh john

[4:00:39] Voice 7: style has his hand up oh

[4:00:40] Trustee Rogers: i'm sorry yes go ahead mr style you're mr yeah

[4:00:48] Voice 25: yeah go ahead

[4:00:51] Voice 5: uh chair

[4:00:53] Voice 5: rogers wanted to clarify your comments um we had the draft resolutions from the january 21st

[4:01:03] Voice 5: meeting and I don't see anything in there that there was a request to BC

[4:01:08] Voice 5: ferries for information I think it was a request of your staff to meet with the

[4:01:16] Voice 5: First Nation so I just wanted to clarify a bit of our surprise at that oh I'm

[4:01:25] Trustee Rogers: I'm reading the minutes from that meeting they're in front of me if you're

[4:01:31] Trustee Rogers: looking at our package they're found at the bottom of page nine and the top of page 10 of our agenda

[4:01:37] Trustee Rogers: package from our minutes and there were three motions uh the first was to hold a community

[4:01:42] Trustee Rogers: information meeting uh regarding gbrz 2019-10 on the understanding that consultation with

[4:01:49] Trustee Rogers: dynamic first nation is critical to further advancement of this application uh the second

[4:01:53] Trustee Rogers: motion was that the gabrielle local trust community staff endeavored to meet with

[4:01:57] Trustee Rogers: with Tsunami First Nation to further understand concerns

[4:02:00] Trustee Rogers: regarding GBRZ and the third motion was

[4:02:03] Trustee Rogers: that the Gabriel Local Trust Committee request BC Ferries

[4:02:05] Trustee Rogers: provide an update on all efforts of consultation

[4:02:08] Trustee Rogers: with Tsunami First Nation regarding GBRZ 2019 BC Ferries.

[4:02:13] Voice 5: Yeah, the third motion was not communicated to us.

[4:02:21] Voice 5: That's an email from Sonia.

[4:02:26] Voice 5: So that's why we're surprised at your request.

[4:02:28] Voice 5: see

[4:02:28] Trustee Rogers: um i well i i certainly recall it so it doesn't surprise me but um i i i don't know

[4:02:39] Trustee Rogers: what to say about whether or not it was uh was sent on to you because uh those three motions

[4:02:46] Trustee Rogers: were clearly expressed at the end of a fairly i don't know i want to call it um uh direct

[4:02:55] Trustee Rogers: conversation about about what was going on here and and what our expectations were in terms of

[4:03:02] Trustee Rogers: ferries and that it was our not our responsibility to be doing the consultation with them but rather

[4:03:08] Trustee Rogers: was ferries so it's unfortunate somehow that motion uh was not communicated directly to you

[4:03:17] Trustee Rogers: but i i'm pretty sure you were present when we made it so well

[4:03:20] Voice 5: it was it was somewhat difficult

[4:03:22] Voice 5: to follow the discussion.

[4:03:24] Voice 5: That's why I made a specific request of staff

[4:03:28] Voice 5: for the motions, the draft motions.

[4:03:30] Voice 5: And all I got was one and two.

[4:03:39] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, well, it's hard for me to respond to that.

[4:03:42] Trustee Rogers: And it's unfortunate that it's a surprise.

[4:03:46] Trustee Rogers: I will say that it's encouraging to know

[4:03:49] Trustee Rogers: that you are having a meeting with them next week

[4:03:53] Trustee Rogers: and perhaps then we'll be able to know more

[4:03:56] Trustee Rogers: more about where things stand in terms of the specifics

[4:03:59] Trustee Rogers: of the concerns of the SNAEMC

[4:04:02] Trustee Rogers: as in terms of the application.

[4:04:05] Trustee Rogers: We do not have a referral response,

[4:04:07] Trustee Rogers: a formal referral response from them as of yet.

[4:04:11] Trustee Rogers: And our policy, our basic practice is that

[4:04:15] Trustee Rogers: the referral response for First Nations

[4:04:19] Trustee Rogers: is an ongoing matter.

[4:04:21] Trustee Rogers: And we expect to have some specific commentary,

[4:04:23] Trustee Rogers: but perhaps they're waiting to hear it

[4:04:25] Trustee Rogers: and meet with you to see what the conversation that you're having i think it is quite encouraging

[4:04:30] Trustee Rogers: that you have a meeting scheduled specifically about this application so sorry did you have

[4:04:37] Trustee Rogers: any other is that is that clear enough i i don't know if anybody else wants to add to that

[4:04:48] Trustee Rogers: conversation um from either the trustees or planners living it no

[4:04:53] Voice 3: nobody

[4:05:06] Trustee Rogers: else is uh hearing

[4:05:07] Trustee Rogers: nothing. We'll go back to the staff report then. And I'm sorry, I've gone, I just have to find it

[4:05:21] Trustee Rogers: again. Do you want to address your staff report? I've already been through this. I've already asked

[4:05:28] Trustee Rogers: you if you wanted to address it. So I guess I'm at the trustees and what you would, what you

[4:05:33] Trustee Rogers: you propose to do at this stage in terms of the uh the staff report and the various uh options for

[4:05:41] Trustee Rogers: going forward uh yeah

[4:05:44] Trustee Colbourne: i think i think it's um incumbent upon bc ferries and local trust

[4:05:51] Trustee Colbourne: committee and to name it first nation to create a safe respectful space for dialogue and consultation

[4:05:55] Trustee Colbourne: um that's been my position and i've spoken with the nation not on specifics of it but just around

[4:06:03] Trustee Colbourne: the conditions for safe and respectful dialogue and I think I have some issues with the process

[4:06:10] Trustee Colbourne: obviously but I think at this stage I'm not prepared to advance this any further today

[4:06:19] Trustee Colbourne: I'm encouraged to hear that BC Ferries staff executives someone is going to speak with the

[4:06:26] Trustee Colbourne: nation directly get an outline of what some of the issues are some of the technical issues

[4:06:30] Trustee Colbourne: with the application as it stands and some of the reports that have been submitted and at this stage

[4:06:37] Trustee Colbourne: I think I'm prepared to just create that safe space for those dialogue and consultation to

[4:06:42] Trustee Colbourne: continue and I'm not prepared to advance any of the motions and recommendations that are in the

[4:06:48] Trustee Colbourne: staff report with thanks for the work of doing it but that's that's the position that I'm taking

[4:06:56] Trustee Colbourne: so

[4:06:57] Trustee Rogers: just be clear not even the technical revision of the bylaw the first reading of the bylaw

[4:07:03] Trustee Rogers: i

[4:07:03] Trustee Colbourne: don't think there's any i think i think um people have to sit across the table and talk

[4:07:09] Trustee Colbourne: to each other here that's what's got to happen okay

[4:07:14] Trustee Rogers: trustee langer yeah

[4:07:17] Voice 19: i mean when we made a

[4:07:19] Voice 19: motion to have the cim uh we made on the condition that that was what we would do we would not you

[4:07:25] Voice 19: know we were still under we would not be moving this thing forward the application forward but

[4:07:31] Voice 19: we would hold the cim because it was not a decision making a meeting and this now is uh

[4:07:39] Voice 19: whether the way i read is a decision and that sort of wasn't the premise of having the cim at that

[4:07:46] Voice 19: time and it's it's that first one is just a purely a it is technical but that can be

[4:07:56] Voice 3: i guess to some

[4:07:56] Voice 3: extent that can be done at any time yeah

[4:07:59] Voice 19: yeah it's not nothing urgent about that so

[4:08:05] Trustee Rogers: i i guess

[4:08:06] Trustee Rogers: what i'm hearing is i'm hearing no inclination from either of you to move any of the motions

[4:08:11] Trustee Rogers: or any other motion related to these uh to this matter not

[4:08:18] Trustee Colbourne: this stage is

[4:08:26] Trustee Rogers: that is the same for you

[4:08:27] Trustee Rogers: trustee langaris okay um then um i i guess that's where we sit because without a mover or a seconder

[4:08:39] Trustee Rogers: of the motions of any emotions there's there's no business or something anything for us to vote on

[4:08:44] Trustee Rogers: um at this stage of the process and so i'll just thank the the applicant for uh attending i wish

[4:08:52] Trustee Rogers: them um uh i don't want to say good luck but i i wish them well with their meetings with the

[4:09:00] Trustee Rogers: tsunami next week and i i we're hopeful that and i i guess now they're aware of the motion

[4:09:06] Trustee Rogers: that we passed in January and I'm not sure what to say about that but now

[4:09:12] Trustee Rogers: that they're aware of that motion and the earlier motions that we passed in

[4:09:16] Trustee Rogers: in January then that we look forward to a report on the outcome of that of those

[4:09:23] Trustee Rogers: discussions with the First Nation. There

[4:09:27] Trustee Colbourne: is a meeting scheduled with Sonomuk First Nation and myself

[4:09:32] Trustee Colbourne: Lisa Wilcox and I believe Chair Peter Luckum of the Islands Trust has been

[4:09:36] Trustee Colbourne: been invited to that as we talk about the protocol agreement and other things so we do have a

[4:09:40] Trustee Colbourne: scheduled meeting with synemic as well in between this meeting and the next ltc so it's good that

[4:09:45] Trustee Colbourne: we have a chance to to speak directly okay

[4:09:50] Trustee Rogers: okay um well then i'll i guess we'll just close that

[4:09:56] Trustee Rogers: item on the agenda and and move on uh thank you for your attendance the next then i i noted we

[4:10:04] Trustee Rogers: we skipped over a few things.

[4:10:05] Trustee Rogers: And I just need to go back and find my package.

[4:10:11] Trustee Rogers: But the one thing we skipped over,

[4:10:14] Trustee Rogers: I noted was the referral from the district of Nanaimo.

[4:10:18] Trustee Rogers: I think it is related to the Nanaimo airport.

[4:10:21] Trustee Rogers: It's a request for response.

[4:10:22] Trustee Rogers: It's 8.3, it's found on page 108 of the agenda.

[4:10:26] Trustee Rogers: And I guess my question is,

[4:10:29] Trustee Rogers: I have zero knowledge as to how this impacts

[4:10:31] Trustee Rogers: a local trust area or your island?

[4:10:34] Trustee Rogers: So I look for some guidance from the trustees

[4:10:36] Trustee Rogers: as to whether there's a response to be made.

[4:10:39] Voice 19: Well, from my perspective,

[4:10:41] Voice 19: it's the land use change there

[4:10:44] Voice 19: probably doesn't have a direct fact,

[4:10:46] Voice 19: but I understand there's long-term plans

[4:10:48] Voice 19: to expand the airport itself

[4:10:51] Voice 19: to allow for a larger planes to land there

[4:10:54] Voice 19: and to refuel here.

[4:10:56] Voice 19: So it would have a potential impact.

[4:10:58] Voice 19: If it's tied to that,

[4:10:59] Voice 19: it's a potential impact for gabriel with you know the whatever size of plane this could be flying

[4:11:04] Voice 19: over i think it's rather odd to be expanding an airport at a time when air travel is one of the

[4:11:10] Voice 19: major you know a climate change issue and a contributor to it that we're actually expanding

[4:11:17] Voice 19: airports and not reducing them so that's but it's uh the unfortunate part is the the closure date

[4:11:24] Voice 19: for these comments was before mark today it

[4:11:29] Trustee Rogers: was um and but it is a referral and if you wish to make

[4:11:34] Trustee Rogers: if you wish to make some comments related to it i'm guessing they will accept them so

[4:11:38] Trustee Rogers: um as i said i i look to you two of you for guidance because i really don't know if this

[4:11:45] Trustee Rogers: is an impact matter it seemed to me not to be a gabriel a local trust area matter but perhaps it

[4:11:50] Trustee Rogers: it is in your mind it

[4:11:52] Trustee Colbourne: i i think it is and i i did prepare the beginnings of a individual response

[4:11:56] Trustee Colbourne: because i've i've heard a lot of um especially in certain neighborhoods the as the flight

[4:12:02] Trustee Colbourne: and this is where land use for an airport gets complicated because the flight plans

[4:12:09] Trustee Colbourne: um increasingly go over gabriola they're not supposed to and i was actually hoping that staff

[4:12:14] Trustee Colbourne: could provide some insight i've asked for this before or tried i've tried to find this myself

[4:12:18] Trustee Colbourne: self before. Former trustees informed me that there may be an agreement between the Islands

[4:12:25] Trustee Colbourne: Trust on behalf of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee or the Gabriel Local Trust Committee

[4:12:29] Trustee Colbourne: itself with Transport Canada and the Nanaimo Airport related to airplane noise and flight

[4:12:34] Trustee Colbourne: plans. And that's what I was searching for in sort of the response to this, because the two

[4:12:38] Trustee Colbourne: are quite interconnected. If there's more flights and more flights are coming in lower at a different

[4:12:42] Trustee Colbourne: angle over certain parts of Gabriel, there are noise and disruption concerns. There are safety

[4:12:46] Trustee Colbourne: concerns as well as we well know on this island so um i think i think it does have an impact the

[4:12:53] Trustee Colbourne: number of the the land use will increase the air use and that has an impact in noise and

[4:12:58] Trustee Colbourne: disruption it is it is a prime issue for for several residents for sure who have brought to

[4:13:04] Trustee Colbourne: my attention in the past so um but i'm not sure as a local trust committee whether or not we

[4:13:10] Trustee Colbourne: respond to that i'd rather i'd rather find that agreement and see if we can you know reinstate it

[4:13:15] Trustee Colbourne: to some inspector to make sure they're aware that their their flight use has an impact on

[4:13:19] Trustee Colbourne: the residents here yeah

[4:13:21] Trustee Rogers: yeah i'm just planning the planner has a uh her hand up so i'll turn

[4:13:25] Trustee Rogers: the planner just on you go ahead just

[4:13:28] Planner Zupanec: to clarify this this isn't the formal referral from the

[4:13:31] Planner Zupanec: regional district of Nanaimo so there will be

[4:13:34] Planner Zupanec: a formal referral process this is a prior to the

[4:13:39] Planner Zupanec: committee of the whole on March 9th i think is looking at this so they wanted comments by March

[4:13:42] Planner Zupanec: the 4th just to sort of ascertain we have an early referral letter of

[4:13:47] Planner Zupanec: understanding with the regional district of Nanaimo so there is still a formal

[4:13:51] Planner Zupanec: referral that will be coming to the local trust committee where we fill out

[4:13:55] Planner Zupanec: you know a formal referral form and any significant comments this is to just

[4:13:59] Planner Zupanec: make you aware that this is coming so if you have any specific comments I'm happy

[4:14:03] Planner Zupanec: to forward them to the regional district or any ideas that you'd like to put in

[4:14:08] Planner Zupanec: place to address some of the concerns that you think you would be addressing

[4:14:11] Planner Zupanec: in your actual referral response, that would be helpful.

[4:14:14] Trustee Colbourne: Planner Zupanich, are you aware of an agreement

[4:14:16] Trustee Colbourne: or any sort of document that exists between the previous LTC

[4:14:20] Trustee Colbourne: or the LTC that would still be in standing, I would think,

[4:14:23] Trustee Colbourne: with Transport Canada and the airport there?

[4:14:28] Planner Zupanec: No, I'm not, sorry.

[4:14:29] Planner Zupanec: I would have to look in the files to see what was done

[4:14:33] Planner Zupanec: and if any of it is still relevant.

[4:14:35] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, exactly.

[4:14:36] Trustee Colbourne: I think that would be helpful.

[4:14:37] Trustee Colbourne: I believe work has been done on this file,

[4:14:40] Trustee Colbourne: specifically related to flight plans

[4:14:41] Trustee Colbourne: and and airplane airplane noise and that could be something to build on in the response to the

[4:14:46] Trustee Colbourne: to make sure that they're aware of that again some of these agreements are signed and then sitting

[4:14:50] Trustee Colbourne: in in the file purgatory right i think it could be a baseline for discussion yeah

[4:14:56] Voice 19: i think what

[4:14:57] Voice 19: this application is about a rezoning of moving the the land zoning across the highway to expand

[4:15:04] Voice 19: ban the business but i i think it's anticipation of the enlargement it's not doesn't say directly

[4:15:12] Voice 19: related to the expansion but i think it's it's preparatory is my guess to uh the enlargement

[4:15:20] Voice 19: of the actual airport yeah

[4:15:22] Voice 2: that's

[4:15:23] Voice 19: why i said it may not be directly this this actual referral but

[4:15:28] Voice 19: it's linked to the airport expansion and

[4:15:34] Trustee Colbourne: we'll take it for information for now i'd be very

[4:15:36] Trustee Colbourne: very curious to see if that if that agreement does exist and if there's any way to build on that in

[4:15:40] Trustee Colbourne: our response so

[4:15:44] Trustee Rogers: so plan is can you just check the files to see if there is such an agreement

[4:15:48] Trustee Rogers: do you need a motion to that effect yeah

[4:15:52] Planner Zupanec: motion would be um actually motion's not necessary um we

[4:15:56] Planner Zupanec: can we can dig up what we know we we might need to provide you with in order to anticipate the

[4:16:02] Planner Zupanec: referral response excellent

[4:16:04] Trustee Rogers: okay so is there anything further on 8.3 if not um we'll go back

[4:16:12] Trustee Rogers: up through the agenda there's no delegations there's no correspondence outside of a outside

[4:16:17] Trustee Rogers: of an application uh is there any 12.1 is there any climate chain action updated that either of

[4:16:22] Trustee Rogers: you wish to specifically mention today beyond that we've already talked about i can't think

[4:16:28] Voice 19: not right now okay

[4:16:29] Trustee Rogers: and we've already talked i think we've talked about a fair amount about

[4:16:32] Trustee Rogers: about First Nations Relationship Building.

[4:16:34] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for advising us of the meetings you're having.

[4:16:36] Trustee Rogers: And I had heard that Chair Luckum

[4:16:38] Trustee Rogers: was coming to your next one.

[4:16:40] Trustee Rogers: And I know you're talking about

[4:16:42] Trustee Rogers: sort of the general relationship with Sunaimac.

[4:16:45] Trustee Rogers: And so that's very good to know

[4:16:47] Trustee Rogers: that that's a work in progress.

[4:16:51] Trustee Rogers: There's a trust conservancy,

[4:16:53] Trustee Rogers: sorry, I don't want to move on too quickly.

[4:16:54] Trustee Rogers: If anybody else has anything else

[4:16:56] Trustee Rogers: about First Nations Relationship Building,

[4:16:58] Trustee Rogers: we sort of talked about it.

[4:16:59] Trustee Rogers: There's the Conservancy report from January 26th, 2021.

[4:17:04] Trustee Rogers: That's there for everyone that was watching

[4:17:08] Trustee Rogers: as well as the trustees.

[4:17:09] Trustee Rogers: Is there any questions or comments about that?

[4:17:11] Trustee Rogers: I'm seeing nothing.

[4:17:13] Trustee Rogers: The applications report dated February 23rd

[4:17:19] Trustee Rogers: and we may have lost, we have lost planner.

[4:17:23] Trustee Rogers: I should have asked him while he was here, planner Cox.

[4:17:26] Trustee Rogers: I was curious as to the status

[4:17:27] Trustee Rogers: of the Acorn Island application.

[4:17:30] Trustee Rogers: It's been in abeyance for a long time.

[4:17:34] Trustee Rogers: I'm guessing a lot of it may have to do with the pandemic,

[4:17:37] Trustee Rogers: but I just wondered if he had an update,

[4:17:40] Trustee Rogers: but I'll ask him maybe perhaps next,

[4:17:42] Trustee Rogers: I'll ask him online and maybe give us a report

[4:17:44] Trustee Rogers: at the next local trust committee meeting

[4:17:46] Trustee Rogers: and update on the Acorn Island applications.

[4:17:50] Trustee Rogers: Are there any other questions regarding

[4:17:52] Trustee Rogers: any of the other applications from trustees?

[4:17:54] Trustee Rogers: no nothing from trustee culver no any and i assume there's nothing you want to flag

[4:18:00] Trustee Rogers: sonja you'd tell me if there was uh then we have the expense report which is standard in our

[4:18:05] Trustee Rogers: standing resolutions um and the local trust committee web page which are there for if there

[4:18:13] Trustee Rogers: is any any issue to discuss the lot then the last thing is um it's on page 128 is the top priorities

[4:18:20] Trustee Rogers: report which is the we currently have on our top priority report the housing options which is

[4:18:28] Trustee Rogers: ongoing the cannabis production regulations we put back up there I believe although the RPM's

[4:18:36] Trustee Rogers: not here and that's as her file is working on I believe that the APC has finished its

[4:18:40] Trustee Rogers: its work on that and probably has a as it I can't recall if it's done a report or or we

[4:18:47] Trustee Rogers: we we received

[4:18:49] Voice 19: draft minutes i

[4:18:50] Trustee Rogers: know i've seen the draft minutes but i didn't know if they were

[4:18:53] Trustee Rogers: going to do a report or just or we're just going to get the draft minutes which is fine too so yeah

[4:18:58] Trustee Rogers: so so presumably that'll come back to us um uh when maybe next meeting or whenever and then we

[4:19:07] Trustee Rogers: have the app we've already talked about the act of transfiguration yeah are there any other changes

[4:19:12] Trustee Rogers: you wishes to make wish to make related to top priorities report sorry yeah top priorities report

[4:19:19] Trustee Rogers: no no saying nothing and we have our applications sorry our projects report anything you want to add

[4:19:28] Trustee Rogers: delete or change with that is there anything else you'd like to raise today otherwise because

[4:19:35] Trustee Rogers: otherwise i think we're finished the agenda yeah i

[4:19:39] Trustee Colbourne: think that's it thank you for everybody

[4:19:40] Trustee Colbourne: for the work a

[4:19:43] Trustee Rogers: lot of work yeah we made some progress on the on the housing remit and some

[4:19:48] Trustee Rogers: other things in the oh

[4:19:49] Trustee Colbourne: oh trustee lingeris has shared his by email oh yeah right

[4:19:53] Trustee Rogers: but i want to

[4:19:54] Trustee Colbourne: make sure that how are we going to put that on the record what's the technical way to do that

[4:19:58] Trustee Colbourne: i

[4:19:58] Planner Zupanec: can i can pull up the email if that's helpful okay

[4:20:02] Trustee Rogers: yeah and and just can you just embed it in

[4:20:06] Trustee Rogers: the minutes perhaps it's a series of questions just one oh sorry

[4:20:12] Voice 3: well yeah one multi-part question

[4:20:15] Voice 3: one more

[4:20:16] Voice 3: yeah yeah um

[4:20:20] Trustee Rogers: and i think it's more it's as much important to be on the record as it is to

[4:20:25] Trustee Rogers: be in the hands of the of the applicant as well and i think

[4:20:28] Trustee Rogers: i saw you copied it to nancy nancy

[4:20:31] Trustee Rogers: have yeah yeah that's it so can i suggest that that question simply be embedded in the minutes

[4:20:43] Trustee Rogers: at the end of uh the discussion of the various motions uh and deferrals um is that acceptable

[4:20:53] Trustee Rogers: to the trustees yeah

[4:20:54] Trustee Colbourne: that works yeah

[4:20:55] Trustee Rogers: okay okay is that okay with unity that

[4:21:00] Voice 15: works thank you very

[4:21:02] Trustee Rogers: much anything else uh trustees or planners i have

[4:21:06] Voice 15: one thing oh

[4:21:08] Trustee Rogers: yes can

[4:21:10] Voice 15: somebody send me um please

[4:21:12] Voice 15: the um resolution about the closed meeting that was very fast oh

[4:21:19] Trustee Rogers: i'm sorry yeah if you didn't get

[4:21:21] Trustee Rogers: that um it came from becky okay um i could i i don't think i have your email either so perhaps

[4:21:29] Trustee Rogers: I'll

[4:21:29] Planner Zupanec: forward it to you, Nadine.

[4:21:30] Planner Zupanec: Thank you.

[4:21:31] Planner Zupanec: Thank

[4:21:32] Trustee Rogers: you very much.

[4:21:33] Trustee Rogers: So I think we're done for today, and I appreciate all your work.

[4:21:38] Trustee Rogers: I look forward to seeing trustees Lung, Ferris, and Colburn at press council next week.

[4:21:45] Trustee Rogers: It'll be, get your sleep.

[4:21:47] Trustee Rogers: I'm guessing it'll be, those will be three long days.

[4:21:51] Trustee Colbourne: There's a 908-page agenda package.

[4:21:54] Trustee Colbourne: There's no time for sleep?

[4:21:55] Trustee Colbourne: What are you talking about?

[4:21:55] Trustee Colbourne: it's it's just war and it's war and peace you

[4:22:00] Trustee Rogers: just have to read war and peace that's all

[4:22:02] Trustee Rogers: i've already read it all quite so there you go i've

[4:22:06] Voice 19: gone roughly through it once but anyway

[4:22:10] Trustee Rogers: um anyway but there's lots of really good as i said earlier lots of really interesting material

[4:22:15] Trustee Rogers: from feedback from you about the work we're doing so this is you know one of those times

[4:22:20] Trustee Rogers: when it's important to gather all of that.

[4:22:24] Trustee Rogers: And in addition to feedback from the trustees.

[4:22:26] Trustee Rogers: So anyway, thank you very much, Sonia.

[4:22:29] Trustee Rogers: Are you still in the office, right?

[4:22:32] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to give you a quick,

[4:22:33] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to give you a quick call

[4:22:37] Trustee Rogers: after we're hanging up here.

[4:22:38] Trustee Rogers: And thank you very much, Nadine.

[4:22:40] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Will.

[4:22:41] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you, everybody.

[4:22:42] Trustee Colbourne: I move, we adjourn.

[4:22:43] Trustee Colbourne: We adjourn.

[4:22:45] Trustee Colbourne: Bye.

[4:22:47] Voice 7: Bye, all.

[4:22:48] Trustee Colbourne: Bye.