Thetis Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, April 13, 2021

[0:00:05] Trustee Patrick: Good morning. If you're just joining us, please stand by. We'll start the meeting momentarily.

[0:00:25] Trustee Fenton: Hi, folks.

[0:00:26] Trustee Fenton: Ah,

[0:00:27] Trustee Patrick: there's Doug. Okay. Peter, we got Doug back.

[0:00:32] Trustee Luckham: I see that.

[0:00:33] Trustee Patrick: Except I can't see Doug.

[0:00:35] Trustee Luckham: Well, I don't see him either.

[0:00:37] Trustee Luckham: As

[0:00:38] Trustee Patrick: long as we can hear you. There you are.

[0:00:40] Trustee Fenton: Like, yeah.

[0:00:41] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[0:00:42] Trustee Fenton: No ability to read or write. So I have, because it's, yeah, that's doing the Zoom action now.

[0:00:52] Trustee Fenton: it's on the other side of my computer here all

[0:00:55] Trustee Patrick: right okay gentlemen are we ready to start

[0:00:58] Trustee Patrick: gentlemen are we ready to start oh i have an echo

[0:01:03] Trustee Patrick: yeah trustee fenton is logged in in in two ways and that's what's causing the echo i believe

[0:01:10] Trustee Patrick: so we've got we've got we've got him showing up once with no um video and then we've got him

[0:01:18] Trustee Patrick: I'm showing up a second time, so.

[0:01:23] Trustee Patrick: Has it stopped?

[0:01:24] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, it's coming in on my iPad.

[0:01:26] Trustee Patrick: The echo's gone for me now.

[0:01:28] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, I had to shut my computer off.

[0:01:30] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:01:31] Trustee Patrick: Trustees, then I'm going to call this meeting to order

[0:01:34] Trustee Patrick: if we're ready.

[0:01:35] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:01:36] Trustee Patrick: Good morning.

[0:01:37] Trustee Patrick: And I'd like to call this regular meeting

[0:01:43] Trustee Patrick: of the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:01:45] Trustee Patrick: We are live streaming and recording this meeting.

[0:01:51] Trustee Patrick: I'd like to begin with acknowledging how fortunate we are today to be able to gather all across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people.

[0:01:59] Trustee Patrick: And as the COVID pandemic heads into this newest wave, my heart goes out to the First Nation communities as they deal with this in their communities.

[0:02:14] Trustee Patrick: um i'm laura patrick i'm elected on salt spring island i'm the chair of this local trust committee

[0:02:22] Trustee Patrick: i'm joined today by trustee doug fenton along with doug and trustee peter luckham good morning

[0:02:27] Trustee Patrick: peter together we make up your thetis island local trust committee this meeting is an official forum

[0:02:34] Trustee Patrick: for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss

[0:02:38] Trustee Patrick: relevant business i also want to add that this is a place of employment despite the fact that

[0:02:43] Trustee Patrick: that many of our staff might be coming from their own homes,

[0:02:46] Trustee Patrick: they have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:02:49] Trustee Patrick: We're grateful for the ability to have electronic meetings,

[0:02:52] Trustee Patrick: trustees, staff, and the public don't have to travel.

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick: And we're honoring the provincial health orders

[0:02:57] Trustee Patrick: and guidelines during the pandemic.

[0:02:59] Trustee Patrick: We appreciate your understanding and assistance.

[0:03:01] Trustee Patrick: And if we run into any technical challenges,

[0:03:04] Trustee Patrick: we will work as quickly as we can to overcome them.

[0:03:08] Trustee Patrick: We've muted everyone's microphones

[0:03:09] Trustee Patrick: to ensure there's no audio disruptions during the meeting.

[0:03:12] Trustee Patrick: and I'll go over the town hall in a in a bit but I do note that there's no attendees to the

[0:03:18] Trustee Patrick: zoom link if you have joined us today through the live stream and had intended to speak to us

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick: during the town hall you need to move into the zoom link which is available on our website so

[0:03:30] Trustee Patrick: I'll come back to that in a bit when we get to the town hall we have many staff members joining us

[0:03:36] Trustee Patrick: today we have Will Cottingham our office administrator who's administrating the meeting

[0:03:41] Trustee Patrick: and helping this run smoothly. Thank you, Will, for joining us. Sarah Sugar, our minute taker.

[0:03:47] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, Sarah. And my neighbor. So it's nice to see her virtually. Heather Cower is our

[0:03:57] Trustee Patrick: regional planning manager. Good morning, Heather. And also joining us is our planners, Marnie Egan

[0:04:07] Trustee Patrick: and uh jamie dubina so welcome uh trustees we have an agenda before us are there any changes

[0:04:17] Trustee Patrick: that need to be made to the agenda

[0:04:20] Trustee Luckham: none from this quarter so

[0:04:23] Trustee Patrick: can we approve the agenda through

[0:04:26] Trustee Patrick: general consent excellent uh with that then we'll move into the agenda the first item of business

[0:04:33] Trustee Patrick: that we have is the uh trustee reports who'd like to go first hey

[0:04:38] Trustee Luckham: dog do you tell us what's going on

[0:04:44] Trustee Patrick: nope you're muted doug sorry

[0:04:49] Trustee Fenton: i have no uh notes or anything is there on a computer that's rebooting

[0:04:53] Trustee Fenton: um i did so on time but anyways i just would like to uh acknowledge that how uh grateful and

[0:05:00] Trustee Fenton: sort of humbled i am to continue to live and work in the uh liox and penelope territories um

[0:05:09] Trustee Fenton: and that hopefully we'll see ourselves as a community more this summer and early fall

[0:05:16] Trustee Fenton: once we get our COVID challenges pushed aside, or at least in the background versus in the forefront.

[0:05:24] Trustee Fenton: And my activities over the last few months, we've had our Trust Council meeting,

[0:05:30] Trustee Fenton: which is our three-day quarterly meeting.

[0:05:32] Trustee Fenton: and I had participated in the Island Conservancy Board meeting

[0:05:40] Trustee Fenton: and also as well as the Trust Council programs meeting

[0:05:46] Trustee Fenton: where we continue to work on in the background

[0:05:51] Trustee Fenton: and it's those who read the fine print.

[0:05:56] Trustee Fenton: There's details on sort of the progress

[0:05:58] Trustee Fenton: with respect to the policy statement review

[0:06:00] Trustee Fenton: view and uh what is where we're at where that's going it's uh it's a lot of work a huge amount

[0:06:08] Trustee Fenton: of effort on behalf of the entire trust council all of the staff and um the subcommittee that i

[0:06:17] Trustee Fenton: sit on in that regard and uh yes there's been a little to no lack to the uh our activities on

[0:06:27] Trustee Fenton: on thieves that have been involved with current

[0:06:30] Trustee Fenton: or as of late, but it doesn't say,

[0:06:33] Trustee Fenton: I'm hoping that the summer will allow us to connect

[0:06:37] Trustee Fenton: with Penelope and others around the island

[0:06:39] Trustee Fenton: and I'll leave it there.

[0:06:41] Trustee Fenton: Well, thank you very

[0:06:43] Trustee Patrick: much, Trustee Fenton.

[0:06:45] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Luckman.

[0:06:47] Trustee Luckham: Very good.

[0:06:47] Trustee Luckham: Good morning, everyone.

[0:06:48] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:06:49] Trustee Luckham: Also very grateful to be here

[0:06:51] Trustee Luckham: in the Lacks and Penelope territory

[0:06:53] Trustee Luckham: and in the Salish Sea.

[0:06:56] Trustee Luckham: every day is a joy to be able to live here and learn about what transpired over the last

[0:07:06] Trustee Luckham: thousands of years. It's been a busy time. It's hard to believe that the last time we met was

[0:07:13] Trustee Luckham: all the way back in February. And so I'll be as brief as I possibly can. But I'll start off with

[0:07:20] Trustee Luckham: the Ocean Protection Plan Conference. That was the spring, they called it, or winter session

[0:07:26] Trustee Luckham: of the Ocean Protection Plan, of which there's a number of issues and concerns that have been

[0:07:35] Trustee Luckham: apparently addressed in that program created by the federal government four or five years ago now.

[0:07:42] Trustee Luckham: oil spill, tanker traffic, herring, killer whales, species at risk, all of those sorts

[0:07:51] Trustee Luckham: of things.

[0:07:52] Trustee Luckham: But probably the most local interest is the Anchorage's file.

[0:07:58] Trustee Luckham: And to be completely honest, the handling of that work has been inadequate in my mind

[0:08:08] Trustee Luckham: and many of us that are involved closely on the anchorages file, and that we still, after four

[0:08:13] Trustee Luckham: years, have no indication of what the government thinks, what they might see as a plan. They

[0:08:19] Trustee Luckham: continue to not take into account the 20-year long-term plan for the harbor and mitigation of

[0:08:28] Trustee Luckham: freighter anchorages, and they continue with, indeed, some incidents coming to light every

[0:08:36] Trustee Luckham: time there's a storm, it seems. So disappointed with that. While I'm on this topic, I want to

[0:08:44] Trustee Luckham: acknowledge Chris Straw, who was the lead on the Gabriolas against freighter anchorages

[0:08:52] Trustee Luckham: on Gabriola Island. He passed away in a tragic construction site accident. He will be greatly

[0:09:00] Trustee Luckham: missed. He was an incredibly strong advocate for the oceans and islands, a

[0:09:06] Trustee Luckham: strong member of his community, and I just want to acknowledge his passing and

[0:09:12] Trustee Luckham: that tragedy he will be missed by many, leaves behind a wife, a daughter, and

[0:09:17] Trustee Luckham: a grandchild, and so really my heart goes out to the family. We also have had a

[0:09:24] Trustee Luckham: couple of different meetings on the Coastal Douglas Fir Conservation

[0:09:28] Trustee Luckham: Conservation Partnership. They have been looking for additional funding to continue that advocacy

[0:09:37] Trustee Luckham: on the part of many to keep an eye on the Coastal Douglas Fir and develop some strategy.

[0:09:45] Trustee Luckham: Trust Council was back at the beginning of March, and we adopted a budget. We advanced a policy

[0:09:55] Trustee Luckham: statement discussion and despite what is heralded as the Islanders Trust

[0:10:02] Trustee Luckham: abandoning its preserve and protect mandate by not making amendments

[0:10:08] Trustee Luckham: associated with prioritization of environmental environmental conservation

[0:10:13] Trustee Luckham: needs over housing and community that is just simply not the case the Islanders

[0:10:21] Trustee Luckham: Trust hasn't changed its preserve and protect mandate, which is provided to us by the province,

[0:10:26] Trustee Luckham: and we continue to work strongly on that. What we have decided to do is to include

[0:10:32] Trustee Luckham: housing, transportation, and of course, First Nations cultural heritage as factors that we

[0:10:38] Trustee Luckham: should consider in the work that we do. But of course, every day we will be very strong

[0:10:43] Trustee Luckham: on the preserve and protect mandate, which is the reason why the Islands Trust exists, and

[0:10:50] Trustee Luckham: and we will continue to uphold that.

[0:10:52] Trustee Luckham: Just on another note on the executive committee work,

[0:10:56] Trustee Luckham: attended Bone Isle municipality meeting.

[0:10:59] Trustee Luckham: We do that annually to discuss issues of common interest.

[0:11:05] Trustee Luckham: I think probably the other item of interest

[0:11:09] Trustee Luckham: on our First Nations reconciliation file

[0:11:12] Trustee Luckham: that I attended on Salt Spring

[0:11:15] Trustee Luckham: was a community to community forum,

[0:11:17] Trustee Luckham: forum bringing together a number a few nations to discuss work on salt spring most significantly

[0:11:27] Trustee Luckham: the ganges village plan forestry initiatives and other things and of course those conversations are

[0:11:34] Trustee Luckham: happening all across the islands trust area at the moment as far north as courtney comox with

[0:11:40] Trustee Luckham: with ancestral remains having been discovered unearthed,

[0:11:48] Trustee Luckham: and strong positions by LAACs and First Nation

[0:11:53] Trustee Luckham: with respect to the interests that they have

[0:11:57] Trustee Luckham: throughout the entire Salish Sea.

[0:11:59] Trustee Luckham: A very strong, very vocal nation.

[0:12:02] Trustee Luckham: We're pleased to be able to work with them.

[0:12:04] Trustee Luckham: I'll end on a very good note.

[0:12:06] Trustee Luckham: The most exciting thing that happened

[0:12:08] Trustee Luckham: in the last three months was, somebody's making some noises there, the most exciting thing was

[0:12:16] Trustee Luckham: John Rowe with the Dead Boat Society arrived on Edis Island with a dumpster and a crew

[0:12:22] Trustee Luckham: and removed the derelict vessel that has been in the harbour for probably a year. Half of it sank

[0:12:29] Trustee Luckham: at its mooring and it has now been removed through the, I think they call themselves the Salish Sea

[0:12:39] Trustee Luckham: Boat Society or something.

[0:12:41] Trustee Luckham: I can't recall the name now.

[0:12:42] Trustee Luckham: I apologize.

[0:12:43] Trustee Luckham: But they've received federal and provincial funding

[0:12:46] Trustee Luckham: to deal with derelict vessels and shoreline debris.

[0:12:50] Trustee Luckham: And that spring-summer season has started.

[0:12:54] Trustee Luckham: And they began here on Thetis by removing the catamaran

[0:12:57] Trustee Luckham: that has marked the harbour for some time.

[0:13:00] Trustee Luckham: So really grateful for that.

[0:13:01] Trustee Luckham: So that's my report.

[0:13:03] Trustee Luckham: Pleasure as always to work for and within communities

[0:13:07] Trustee Luckham: throughout the Salish Sea.

[0:13:11] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Trustee Luckham. I just wanted to, again, for my report, just to touch on the March 2021 Trust Council meeting, just to sort of expand on what Peter just mentioned, but Trust Council affirmed its understanding that the mandate of the trust, which is embodied in the Islands Trust Act, includes the concept of the protection of a healthy, inclusive communities, including but not limited to housing and transportation.

[0:13:38] Trustee Patrick: interpretation this affirmation is not a shift in direction or a reordering of priorities it is a

[0:13:44] Trustee Patrick: statement of clarification i have always understood the mandate of the trust to mean i have a

[0:13:49] Trustee Patrick: responsibility toward the constituency people and the environment the trust is different from

[0:13:56] Trustee Patrick: every other local government in british columbia because we have a statutory legal obligation to

[0:14:02] Trustee Patrick: the environment in addition to all other obligations. And that's all I have for my

[0:14:09] Trustee Patrick: report at this point time. Thank you, trustees, for talking about all the busy work that the

[0:14:13] Trustee Patrick: other committees of trust counsels are working on. I see we have electoral area director

[0:14:20] Trustee Patrick: Smith here to join us. And please give us your report. Nope, I can't hear you.

[0:14:39] Trustee Patrick: Says your microphone's on. So let's see if we can get it active.

[0:14:42] Trustee Patrick: there's nothing on our end that that gives any indication why it wouldn't be working

[0:14:59] Trustee Patrick: yes uh does your computer microphone work if you unplug your uh headset i can uh i can give mark

[0:15:24] Trustee Patrick: a call and see if he has any suggestions maybe we can come back to the director's report no this is

[0:15:34] Trustee Patrick: very odd and i know she's an experienced zoomer no oh microsoft teams is that

[0:15:44] Trustee Patrick: sometimes there's an issue if you're working in a remote desktop link um that can sometimes

[0:15:56] Trustee Patrick: interfere with your microphone but i'm not sure how director smith is accessing so no we're still

[0:16:03] Trustee Patrick: still not hearing you. We did receive her report yesterday. Lynn, did you either want to go offline

[0:16:18] Trustee Patrick: and see if we can get this fixed? Or I could read your report and through the chat function,

[0:16:24] Trustee Patrick: you could add any questions or what might work? Because I do have your report here.

[0:16:50] Trustee Patrick: The other potential option, if Director Smith would like to also join by phone,

[0:16:56] Trustee Patrick: ah she could do that at the same time and uh speak to us that way um so lynn if you look down

[0:17:05] Trustee Patrick: the bottom there's under video uh or sorry mute next to the there's a little arrow pointing up

[0:17:11] Trustee Patrick: and if you click on that it should give you um an

[0:17:16] Voice 3: option to phone

[0:17:17] Trustee Patrick: yeah does that

[0:17:19] Trustee Patrick: switch to phone audio and if you click to that it'll give you phone numbers

[0:17:24] Trustee Patrick: i think how about um lynn uh why don't i i'll read your report uh um and uh she'll work on her

[0:17:53] Trustee Patrick: i'll read i'll read your report or okay we'll we'll carry on yeah yes thank you glenn

[0:18:05] Trustee Patrick: apologize the technical difficulties as we said we would have them and sure enough right on cue

[0:18:11] Trustee Patrick: we have them so thank thank you lynn and we'll carry on and we'll let you guys work off off on

[0:18:18] Trustee Patrick: that okay so carrying on we have our minutes from the february 9th meeting on page three of the

[0:18:26] Trustee Patrick: agenda package are there any oops sorry i lived right over the town hall um see i'm not not awake

[0:18:35] Trustee Patrick: at all all right so uh now is the town hall which is your opportunity to speak to us we want to hear

[0:18:41] Trustee Patrick: your questions and comments because they're important to us they help us make good decisions

[0:18:45] Trustee Patrick: however we are post uh public hearing on bylaws 108 and 109 those are the riparian area bylaws

[0:18:52] Trustee Patrick: so we cannot receive any further information and if you do begin to speak about those i will ask

[0:18:57] Trustee Patrick: you to um to hold your your thoughts um uh so please direct your comments to the local trust

[0:19:09] Trustee Patrick: committee not to the audience or staff speak about issues not individuals be clear concise and

[0:19:15] Trustee Patrick: respectful so uh at this time if if you'd like to uh speak to us um you can either raise your your

[0:19:24] Trustee Patrick: hand um uh it's at the center of the screen i don't think we have anyone joining us via phone

[0:19:30] Trustee Patrick: today at this point i don't see it but uh we have two people that are through the

[0:19:35] Trustee Patrick: the regular zoom yes uh planner egan thanks

[0:19:39] Planner Eggen: chair patrick i just want to let you know that the two

[0:19:42] Planner Eggen: people that are attending are uh from cypress land services for the

[0:19:46] Planner Eggen: talus tower on theaters

[0:19:48] Trustee Patrick: super thank thank you so uh we have then no one else at this time um it's important we do want

[0:19:56] Trustee Patrick: to hear from you so if um if you you know your trustees do please uh you can always email us

[0:20:02] Trustee Patrick: you can email the trustees email north info at islandstrust.bc.ca because we always want to

[0:20:10] Trustee Patrick: hear from you so with that we will then move on through the agenda and get to the february 9th

[0:20:16] Trustee Patrick: minutes trustees are there any corrections or additions to the february 9th minutes

[0:20:32] Trustee Patrick: trustees and i've seen any nothing nothing nothing so can we adopt the february 9th

[0:20:38] Trustee Patrick: minutes through general consent saying yes excellent uh we just have our report here for the

[0:20:45] Trustee Patrick: resolutions without meetings and we'll go up to the follow-up action list of april 7th it's on

[0:20:54] Trustee Patrick: page 11 are there any questions from trustees or anything from staff on the follow-up action list

[0:20:59] Trustee Patrick: not seeing any with that then we will move on to um the applications which is 7.1 on the agenda

[0:21:14] Trustee Patrick: page 12 in the agenda package we have um the telus application here so over to planner egan

[0:21:25] Trustee Patrick: thanks

[0:21:27] Planner Eggen: chair patrick so this is a memorandum um after receiving a letter or email from

[0:21:33] Planner Eggen: from Cypress Land Services, who's the proponent for TELUS.

[0:21:38] Planner Eggen: And the memorandum just advises the local trust committee

[0:21:42] Planner Eggen: of the request from Cypress Land Services

[0:21:46] Planner Eggen: regarding their 2018 submission

[0:21:49] Planner Eggen: to the Federal Ministry of Innovation, Science

[0:21:51] Planner Eggen: and Economic Development for the proposed 22 meter tower

[0:21:57] Planner Eggen: with a four foot microwave dish at 61 Pilkey Point Road.

[0:22:03] Planner Eggen: And the agent is requesting a response on whether the proposed tower may now proceed.

[0:22:09] Planner Eggen: And since they have now, and the LTC has received a letter from

[0:22:16] Planner Eggen: Penelakut band who concur with the proposed tower and the email, the back and forth email between

[0:22:24] Planner Eggen: staff and Cyprus are attached as well as the letter from Penelaket band and staff

[0:22:33] Planner Eggen: is requesting direction from the LTC regarding a response to Cyprus land

[0:22:37] Planner Eggen: services right

[0:22:41] Trustee Patrick: Thank You planner even Egan trustees how would you like to

[0:22:45] Trustee Patrick: proceed questions comments yeah

[0:22:54] Trustee Luckham: I have a couple of questions I guess I read

[0:23:01] Trustee Luckham: through the report and the various correspondence back and forth.

[0:23:08] Trustee Patrick: We do have

[0:23:09] Trustee Patrick: the applicant as well if you have questions for the applicant.

[0:23:12] Trustee Luckham: Yeah I do.

[0:23:13] Trustee Luckham: I'm just reflecting just because I'm a little anxious about it

[0:23:22] Trustee Luckham: despite having provided concurrence before. I'm very pleased to see the

[0:23:26] Trustee Luckham: Penelope letter and having difficulty remembering whether or not what level of

[0:23:32] Trustee Luckham: public engagement we had at the time of the original 22 meter antenna structure.

[0:23:41] Trustee Luckham: Certainly we sent it to the APC for advice and they had seen no issues with

[0:23:49] Trustee Luckham: it at the time and at the time there was a little or no response to the antenna

[0:23:54] Trustee Luckham: tenant itself. And indeed, despite the fact that this is on today's agenda, there does not seem to

[0:24:01] Trustee Luckham: be any representation from the community expressing any concerns about it, which,

[0:24:08] Trustee Luckham: you know, to be honest, would be a little surprising, but that's fine because,

[0:24:14] Trustee Luckham: and so leading up, getting around to my questions, I guess, is this is a microwave,

[0:24:20] Trustee Luckham: microwave. So this is the question. I believe that this is a microwave antenna repeater only

[0:24:27] Trustee Luckham: and will have no cell phone communications infrastructure attached to it now or in the

[0:24:36] Trustee Luckham: future. And with respect to the site itself, I don't recall what the drawings looked like. It

[0:24:44] Trustee Luckham: might have been helpful to have had that again for this meeting. Is this a monopole structure?

[0:24:51] Trustee Luckham: Or are we talking about a three- or four-legged tower construction project?

[0:24:59] Trustee Luckham: Because my concerns that I expressed way back when this first came was it's going to be a blight on the landscape in that particular location.

[0:25:08] Trustee Luckham: and so just wonder what aspects of beautifying or making it less obvious to folks or have it

[0:25:20] Trustee Luckham: blend into the background over time are available to us so those are my questions all right

[0:25:25] Trustee Luckham: microwave only no cell service and what's the construction of the tower

[0:25:31] Trustee Patrick: at this time why don't

[0:25:32] Trustee Patrick: we bring the applicants into the conversation here? Will?

[0:25:51] Trustee Patrick: Okay. They've both been promoted to panelists. All right. You can turn your

[0:25:57] Trustee Patrick: video and microphone on if you wish. Hello.

[0:26:03] Trustee Patrick: Good morning. Hello, Chad. So did you hear the questions that Trustee Luckum had?

[0:26:09] Voice 9: I did, yeah. Basically, as far as consultation went, we did notify neighbors.

[0:26:16] Voice 9: I can't remember if it was three or six times

[0:26:18] Voice 9: the tower height, but we notified,

[0:26:21] Voice 9: I think about a dozen neighbors

[0:26:23] Voice 9: around the proposed property.

[0:26:25] Voice 9: We put ads up in online

[0:26:29] Voice 9: and we did hold a public open house back in 2018 as well,

[0:26:34] Voice 9: which I think one or two people

[0:26:37] Voice 9: attended the public open house.

[0:26:39] Voice 9: And then I, yeah, we did have an APC committee meeting.

[0:26:42] Voice 9: We had a meeting with you folks as well.

[0:26:46] Voice 9: And I think, you know, everything was fine with that proposal.

[0:26:50] Voice 9: And then we got on to the, well, could we improve service,

[0:26:54] Voice 9: wireless services to the north end of Thetis and went through that whole exercise

[0:26:58] Voice 9: with trying to build a bigger cell tower up on the hilltop.

[0:27:02] Voice 9: And then that ultimately didn't go anywhere, unfortunately.

[0:27:06] Voice 9: So we're back here.

[0:27:08] Voice 9: We did get concurrence from the local trust back in 2018 for this, December 2018.

[0:27:17] Voice 9: And then I guess there was some requirement to consult Penelaket.

[0:27:22] Voice 9: So we've done that and got a positive response from them.

[0:27:25] Voice 9: So we feel we've obviously done everything we can.

[0:27:28] Voice 9: We kind of went up and above to try and improve services for the community wirelessly as well,

[0:27:36] Voice 9: which seemed to be quite controversial at the time.

[0:27:38] Voice 9: So we backed away from that.

[0:27:40] Voice 9: This site itself will not have any cellular or wireless services. It's solely to have one

[0:27:50] Voice 9: microwave to back up services for Penelakut and for those on Thetis Island. It's really,

[0:27:57] Voice 9: if there's damage to the submarine cable that services the island, they'll be out of service

[0:28:04] Voice 9: for some time without a microwave backup and that's why they're doing this the design of the

[0:28:10] Voice 9: tower itself is a it's a small triangular tower so it's i'd say similar to um when we used to have

[0:28:21] Voice 9: you know antennas on our houses you used to have a small tower going up the side of your house

[0:28:26] Voice 9: it's a tower of that type of design it's not a monopole but it's still very uh small in stature

[0:28:33] Voice 9: it's not uh it's not very big at all uh it'll be built behind the existing ceo uh just on the

[0:28:41] Voice 9: side of the bank where when they built the ceo they pushed some dirt up they'll be clearing

[0:28:45] Voice 9: out a bit building a found little foundation and uh putting the tower up from there uh yeah so i

[0:28:53] Voice 9: don't know if that answers some of your questions peter uh or or not um but i'm happy to answer some

[0:28:59] Voice 9: more. There's also Nicole here. She's from TELUS as well and she can answer any questions you might

[0:29:04] Voice 9: have.

[0:29:05] Trustee Patrick: Welcome Nicole. Thank you. It's a pleasure. Thank you

[0:29:10] Trustee Luckham: all. So thank you Chad. Thank you Nicole

[0:29:13] Trustee Luckham: for attending today and thank you for those answers. That helps refresh my memory about the

[0:29:18] Trustee Luckham: events as they're unfolding. And so just the one question about the tower itself when you say small

[0:29:24] Trustee Luckham: and one of similar triangular and one similar to probably my ham radio antenna

[0:29:31] Trustee Luckham: against my workshop there so just let me clarify for scale what size is the footprint of the base

[0:29:39] Trustee Luckham: of the antenna is it less than one meter is it less than half a meter yeah

[0:29:46] Voice 9: like the base of the

[0:29:47] Voice 9: tower itself you're saying the like the steel structure at the bottom i i don't actually have

[0:29:53] Voice 9: the actual dimension, but it appears to be on two, probably three.

[0:30:00] Voice 9: three cylindrical piers.

[0:30:02] Voice 9: And just from scale purposes,

[0:30:05] Voice 9: it's probably about three feet at the base of it.

[0:30:11] Voice 9: And then it'll get skinnier as it goes up.

[0:30:14] Voice 9: The biggest thing on the tower

[0:30:16] Voice 9: will be that four foot microwave.

[0:30:19] Voice 9: It'll be wider than the tower by a few feet.

[0:30:22] Voice 9: It'll probably be two feet wider than the tower at the top.

[0:30:26] Voice 9: And it's really that four foot is needed

[0:30:30] Voice 9: to make sure there's a good connection over to the island.

[0:30:35] Voice 9: They can use smaller microwaves,

[0:30:38] Voice 9: but to ensure a high-quality connection,

[0:30:42] Voice 9: they're going with a four-foot microwave.

[0:30:45] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Planner Egan, for putting up the drawing.

[0:30:48] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[0:30:49] Planner Eggen: Something else you wanted

[0:30:50] Trustee Patrick: to add, Planner Egan?

[0:30:51] Planner Eggen: I just wanted to confirm with Chad that this is still the plans.

[0:30:55] Planner Eggen: this is what was provided to Islands Trust back in 2018 as the application

[0:31:01] Planner Eggen: that was going forward.

[0:31:03] Voice 9: That's correct yeah and if you look at the building

[0:31:07] Voice 9: footprint I'm just going off the building footprint which is about those

[0:31:13] Voice 9: are typically eight feet wide so I'd say the towers probably about three feet at

[0:31:21] Voice 9: the base of it yeah thank you

[0:31:29] Trustee Luckham: just one more question if you don't mind will it

[0:31:32] Trustee Luckham: have a net aviation red navigation light on the top of it we actually have a

[0:31:38] Trustee Luckham: helipad set up on Cape and Ray Harbor there for emergency evacuation services

[0:31:44] Trustee Luckham: and I think it's probably close enough to the tree line that it doesn't matter

[0:31:48] Trustee Luckham: but there's also aircraft that fly in to the harbor across that location as well

[0:31:54] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[0:31:55] Voice 9: no no there's not it's been it has been um it's gone through nabcan and transport canada

[0:32:02] Voice 9: for review and it doesn't require that i mean as you pointed out the trees behind this tower

[0:32:08] Voice 9: are around it yeah are are much taller than the tower itself and it kind of backs onto them

[0:32:15] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you i have no further questions all

[0:32:18] Trustee Patrick: right thank you trustee fenton do you have any

[0:32:20] Trustee Patrick: Any questions, comments?

[0:32:24] Trustee Fenton: Yes, and thank you, Jen.

[0:32:26] Trustee Fenton: Thanks for putting in, bringing this back to us.

[0:32:31] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, so my question was answered essentially

[0:32:34] Trustee Fenton: was whether or not there was a change in height,

[0:32:36] Trustee Fenton: but now that we've actually looked at the plans

[0:32:39] Trustee Fenton: and refreshed my memory as well as confirming that

[0:32:45] Trustee Fenton: its height and sort of location are per the original

[0:32:49] Trustee Fenton: sort of uh discussion that happened with uh the residents on these are written back in 2018 so

[0:32:56] Trustee Fenton: um that's fine as far as i'm concerned and then the uh the notion that this actually

[0:33:02] Trustee Fenton: will blend into the trees in a sense with respect to helicopters and or um air traffic then um

[0:33:11] Trustee Fenton: should be probably operation normal for that kind of tower in its situation or in its locations

[0:33:19] Trustee Fenton: so i'm fine with that thank you all

[0:33:23] Trustee Patrick: right thank you i'll look to staff on our as well as what

[0:33:28] Trustee Patrick: kind of direction do they need um what are our options here

[0:33:34] Planner Eggen: so um staff are requesting a

[0:33:40] Planner Eggen: resolution from the ltc with new concurrence on the tower um the last resolution that the

[0:33:52] Planner Eggen: ltc made which is in the memorandum um i can stop sharing and that can be shared on the screen here

[0:34:00] Planner Eggen: bear with me for a sec there we go if if um regional planning manager can bring that up

[0:34:08] Planner Eggen: um the last resolution was to rescind the original concurrence and so um staff um have provided

[0:34:20] Planner Eggen: We've provided trustees with some wording via email should they want to provide a positive response.

[0:34:30] Planner Eggen: All right, trustees.

[0:34:39] Voice 3: And it's similar,

[0:34:39] Planner Eggen: sorry, and it's similar to the original concurrence that they gave back in December 2018.

[0:34:49] Trustee Patrick: Was that email from you, Planner Egan, or?

[0:34:53] Planner Eggen: The one that's being shown is, yes, this email is from me, but sorry.

[0:34:59] Planner Eggen: The one that suggested language.

[0:35:00] Planner Eggen: No, I'm I haven't popped it up. I can do that.

[0:35:30] Trustee Patrick: Apologies. It'll just be a minute.

[0:35:31] Trustee Patrick: Okay, no worries. Trustees while we wait for that. Is there any idea of what you'd like to do?

[0:35:41] Trustee Fenton: Yeah,

[0:35:44] Trustee Patrick: no, I think planner you can all put the suggested motion up as soon as she can.

[0:35:48] Trustee Patrick: So

[0:36:08] Trustee Luckham: actually, I do have one question, as I reflected here. Was there any, and I don't recall, and I could have done my homework, I'll admit that, of the adjacent properties that were notified, was there any negative response from any of those parties?

[0:36:29] Voice 9: You want me to respond to that?

[0:36:32] Trustee Luckham: Please, that would be good.

[0:36:33] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[0:36:34] Voice 9: no, there was nothing negative. I mean, the most impacted is the camp next door. And they were satisfied with things. They had their, I can't remember the gentleman's name, French fellow, their director of IT or something.

[0:36:55] Voice 9: he was satisfied and looking forward to having the backup service in place and

[0:37:01] Voice 9: that was really the only the only vocal response we got from neighbors for the

[0:37:12] Voice 9: most part okay

[0:37:14] Trustee Luckham: thank you all

[0:37:16] Trustee Patrick: right trustees planner Egan does

[0:37:17] Trustee Patrick: have that recommended motion up now for your consideration or what action would

[0:37:24] Trustee Patrick: you like to take so

[0:37:31] Trustee Luckham: I will move then that the theater sound local Trust

[0:37:34] Trustee Luckham: Trust Committee, in consideration of the letter of support from the panel that will get mandated

[0:37:37] Trustee Luckham: February 23, 2021, requests the staff inform the proponent for the Dallas Communication Tower

[0:37:43] Trustee Luckham: proposal located at 61 Silky Point Road, Cetus Island. A, the local trust committee is satisfied

[0:37:48] Trustee Luckham: with the proponent's public consultation process and that the proponent does not need to undertake

[0:37:54] Trustee Luckham: further consultation with the public or First Nations. And B, the local trust committee concurs

[0:37:59] Trustee Luckham: with the proposal to construct a communication tower provided it is constructed substantially

[0:38:03] Trustee Luckham: in accordance with the plan submitted to the Islands Trust

[0:38:05] Trustee Luckham: dated July 10th, 2018.

[0:38:08] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second to this motion?

[0:38:12] Trustee Fenton: Seconded, but I'd like to suggest that

[0:38:16] Trustee Fenton: finally amendment.

[0:38:19] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, okay.

[0:38:20] Trustee Patrick: Yes, so it's seconded by Trustee Fenton.

[0:38:23] Trustee Patrick: I'll open it for discussion.

[0:38:25] Trustee Patrick: What do you?

[0:38:26] Trustee Fenton: Well, I was just thinking what instead of

[0:38:29] Trustee Fenton: further consultation with the public or First Nations

[0:38:32] Trustee Fenton: um and i was just saying should we be stating that that has taken place or

[0:38:40] Trustee Fenton: because we've taken or the first nations have been consulted

[0:38:46] Trustee Fenton: uh let's see um and um upon receipt of i guess we've got the letter of support this in the first

[0:38:58] Trustee Fenton: letter i i'm just confusing myself that's my i just wanted to acknowledge that penelope was

[0:39:05] Trustee Fenton: was actually part of the conversation right up front and um yeah i'll i'll leave it there thank

[0:39:13] Trustee Fenton: you all

[0:39:14] Trustee Patrick: right any further discussion on this motion i will call the vote then all those in

[0:39:21] Trustee Patrick: favor all right

[0:39:23] Trustee Patrick: that's carried all right well thank you chad and nicole for coming today and

[0:39:28] Trustee Patrick: okay

[0:39:30] Voice 9: yeah thanks a lot folks and i know uh if i could just say one thing i know uh

[0:39:36] Voice 9: providing services to many gulf islands is always controversial and uh we're always willing to work

[0:39:45] Voice 9: with folks and local local leaders to try and do things to improve services uh so you know

[0:39:54] Voice 9: always reach out to us in the in the future if you need to do it if you want to do anything okay

[0:39:59] Voice 9: that's just my my parting words and thanks for your help with this well

[0:40:03] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much chad

[0:40:04] Trustee Patrick: it's very much appreciated that you do take this work with the community and

[0:40:09] Trustee Patrick: yes communications is so vital to our existence now and more important than

[0:40:14] Trustee Patrick: ever has the pandemic has shown well

[0:40:17] Voice 9: thanks have a good day folks

[0:40:18] Trustee Luckham: additional

[0:40:22] Trustee Luckham: work in consulting with the panelika and I also want to thank you're not

[0:40:26] Trustee Luckham: necessarily you directly but your company for supporting us with

[0:40:31] Trustee Luckham: the connections and information with respect to the most recent fiber optic connectivity discussion

[0:40:36] Trustee Luckham: that's happening on the island here just want to acknowledge that thank you very much

[0:40:39] Trustee Patrick: thanks folks

[0:40:40] Trustee Patrick: have a good day thank you have a good

[0:40:42] Voice 4: one thanks before

[0:40:44] Trustee Patrick: we go on to the next item i wanted to check

[0:40:46] Trustee Patrick: with director smith to see if we have audio i

[0:40:52] Voice 1: think i have audio so

[0:40:53] Voice 1: if it's

[0:40:55] Trustee Patrick: okay with trustees

[0:40:56] Trustee Patrick: i'd like to go back and give her an opportunity to give her a report uh

[0:41:00] Voice 1: thank you very much for

[0:41:01] Voice 1: inviting me. I always enjoy coming to these meetings. They're very informative and I feel

[0:41:09] Voice 1: a good connection here. One of the, I did send in my report yesterday and I did send it to the

[0:41:16] Voice 1: trustees to review. So I won't go over it in detail. There was information regarding the

[0:41:24] Voice 1: flooding of the CVRD building and that the reception area has now moved to the Cowichan

[0:41:31] Voice 1: Community Centre. The phone numbers are still available. And during COVID, majority of our

[0:41:40] Voice 1: staff, the staff have been working from home and this will not change. More will be working from

[0:41:49] Voice 1: from home. The restoration company is reviewing the damage and we'll have a further update as we

[0:41:57] Voice 1: move along. It's unfortunate. We seem to have been through many things in the past year and this

[0:42:05] Voice 1: wasn't something we were anticipating. The insert for the budget, I'm pleased to

[0:42:13] Voice 1: indicate that Thetis Island has been included in the items that are on that budgets are for

[0:42:23] Voice 1: Thetis Island. It's taken me three years to get that on the insert. A little bit of sharp elbows

[0:42:31] Voice 1: has been required as I think it's very important that Thetis Island also be included on that insert.

[0:42:39] Voice 1: As you can see, the CVRD Emergency Program Service, we're starting to go through a review on that area as the Emergency Program Act is, over the next couple of years, will be changing.

[0:42:55] Voice 1: We're trying to be proactive and work towards that.

[0:42:59] Voice 1: The housing needs assessment that was done by the CVRD was a little bit complex with regards to Area G, as it includes Salterre and the Gulf Islands.

[0:43:12] Voice 1: And unfortunately, some of the wording and some of the statistics were not reflective of the proper numbers.

[0:43:22] Voice 1: And I have brought that to the attention of staff and the document has been redone and is now placed on the CVRD website.

[0:43:33] Voice 1: And the wharf, we're still waiting for the grant and hoping, fingers crossed, we all are.

[0:43:42] Voice 1: and right now we are needing to move forward with the design and moving some of the funding out of

[0:43:50] Voice 1: the reserve into that area to move along we do have a window coming for the work and we need to

[0:44:00] Voice 1: be prepared to be able to do the contract award a contract and have the design available for that

[0:44:09] Voice 1: contract and that is my report and i thank you if there's any questions i'm available

[0:44:14] Voice 1: at this time or if you want to contact me in the future for that thank you thank

[0:44:21] Trustee Patrick: you very much

[0:44:22] Trustee Patrick: director smith and i'm sorry to hear about the unfortunate flooding it's one of those things

[0:44:27] Trustee Patrick: uh trustees any questions for director smith uh trustee luckham yeah

[0:44:34] Trustee Luckham: just um with regards to

[0:44:37] Trustee Luckham: assuming everything goes according to plan, do you have rough dates or a window when that work

[0:44:47] Trustee Luckham: might begin on the community dock? Because, of course, we're coming up into the summer season

[0:44:52] Trustee Luckham: here now, and road traffic presumably will increase despite the pandemic as we come into

[0:45:01] Trustee Luckham: the summer months here and and of course the emergency response services will be also pressed

[0:45:07] Trustee Luckham: into service to extricate people from that community dock and so um i think we're anxious

[0:45:13] Trustee Luckham: to see that was that access to that dock restored as soon as is humanly possible um do you have some

[0:45:21] Trustee Luckham: kind of a time frame uh

[0:45:25] Voice 1: based on the tides i believe that june is uh and i'm sure that uh

[0:45:31] Voice 1: Trustee Luckman is much more knowledgeable about that time frame for working on the wharf.

[0:45:41] Voice 1: Last year, I know that the assessment was done in June based on that.

[0:45:45] Voice 1: I believe that what we're doing is working to get the design.

[0:45:51] Voice 1: And once the design is in place, then the work will have a better timeline on the work.

[0:45:59] Voice 1: The work is definitely requires a specific period of time.

[0:46:05] Voice 1: The road traffic is definitely going to have an impact as to the amount of materials that

[0:46:14] Voice 1: will be moved back and forth into that area.

[0:46:18] Voice 1: And the emergency response, this is something that I believe that the emergency response

[0:46:25] Voice 1: may have to consider alternate options during that time.

[0:46:32] Voice 1: We don't know, you know, I mean, it just depends.

[0:46:37] Voice 1: I mean, if boards are missing,

[0:46:40] Voice 1: it's not necessarily the safest.

[0:46:42] Voice 1: So I think there's needs to be further discussion

[0:46:44] Voice 1: between the staff and the Thetis Island emergency response

[0:46:50] Voice 1: and possibly the trustees for Thetis Island

[0:46:55] Voice 1: and so that we're all on the same page and I can hold a meeting and coordinate it so that we all

[0:47:04] Voice 1: have an opportunity to have a bit of discussion further on that on the wharf as we move along

[0:47:11] Voice 1: would that be something you would like to have trustee luckham is a meeting to go over some of

[0:47:21] Voice 1: of these timelines and uh how we how the emergency response will be handled and the traffic um well

[0:47:31] Trustee Luckham: that certainly um there's some scary thoughts there because of course june and july are busy

[0:47:38] Trustee Luckham: marine months as well and busy times at the camps and those water access points for extrication of

[0:47:46] Trustee Luckham: patients would be probably less than ideal so how that works will have to be coordinated with

[0:47:54] Trustee Luckham: the fire department more so than myself or anybody else but of course if there's materials and good

[0:48:00] Trustee Luckham: and and like being stored on the roadside or in the vicinity then that is likely to impact parking

[0:48:09] Trustee Luckham: along there for the ferries and also again in a busy time and so that will require some

[0:48:15] Trustee Luckham: communication with the Thetis Island Ratepayers Association probably with respect to their

[0:48:23] Trustee Luckham: interests in the community's access to parking and the like. So definitely would recommend

[0:48:31] Trustee Luckham: conversations with the Ratepayers Association and the fire department with respect to that.

[0:48:40] Voice 1: Thank you for those comments. I will pass them along to the staff and we'll work to host a

[0:48:47] Voice 1: meeting uh that can include uh the improvement district and uh tira to work on coordinating

[0:48:57] Voice 1: some of the issues and i'll be in contact with both of those departments thank you yeah you know

[0:49:05] Trustee Luckham: it's not a i guess it is a criticism but it the way the bollard got installed on the dock is they

[0:49:11] Trustee Luckham: showed up one day and did it and showing up one day and starting to store materials and tear up

[0:49:16] Trustee Luckham: the doc might be able to disrupt that's all let's not repeat i

[0:49:21] Voice 1: i will work uh to ensure that we uh

[0:49:26] Voice 1: that staff does not repeat that uh behavior thank you

[0:49:31] Trustee Patrick: thank you thank you director smith uh trustee

[0:49:34] Trustee Patrick: fenton did you have any questions yes

[0:49:36] Trustee Fenton: uh just a second here oh

[0:49:44] Trustee Patrick: you uh just muted yourself uh

[0:49:46] Trustee Patrick: trustee benton there

[0:49:51] Trustee Fenton: we go that better yes okay so yeah thank you for this and my question

[0:49:57] Trustee Fenton: basically is around the scope of the work so the work now right now is focusing on just the wharf

[0:50:02] Trustee Fenton: and dock repair and not um any other actual access roadway stuff so the roadway issues would be

[0:50:11] Trustee Fenton: simply the storage of materials and traffic um during construction or have i interpreted this

[0:50:21] Trustee Fenton: from?

[0:50:27] Voice 1: At this time, I'm not aware of the storage and the materials that will be required.

[0:50:35] Voice 1: I think it's something that as we move along with the design, we'll have an idea as to the

[0:50:44] Voice 1: amount of material that will be required during this time frame. Storage will be required at some

[0:50:53] Voice 1: point for some way of access for the work to be completed we haven't the staff hasn't worked out

[0:51:06] Voice 1: those details I appreciate the the discussion regarding the roadway I know very clearly that

[0:51:13] Voice 1: the ferry traffic is a concern and the storage could be also a concern. I think that what we

[0:51:26] Voice 1: have to look at is that this is a short-term requirement to improve the dock, to improve

[0:51:35] Voice 1: the wharf for the benefit of the Thetis Island residents and other residents for usage and for

[0:51:43] Voice 1: emergency needs. So I think that people, the residents and others will have to reflect on that

[0:51:54] Voice 1: as they maybe moan and groan about some of those items being within an area that they would like

[0:52:02] Voice 1: to have access to. But I think it's important that we focus more on the outcome than a few

[0:52:11] Voice 1: a possible month maybe or maybe longer i i know that the results will definitely be beneficial

[0:52:20] Voice 1: and i think that that's where we need to focus our attention thank you okay thank you

[0:52:27] Trustee Patrick: director

[0:52:29] Trustee Patrick: smith any other questions for director smith

[0:52:31] Trustee Fenton: yes i'd still know is that the work is just

[0:52:35] Trustee Fenton: just fixing the dock it's not road repair or rebuilding or redesigning the roadway it's the

[0:52:41] Trustee Fenton: dock itself in the wharf area correct uh

[0:52:46] Voice 1: the cvrd has no jurisdiction over the road the road is under

[0:52:50] Voice 1: the ministry of transportation and infrastructure and so uh the work is just for the wharf perfect

[0:52:59] Trustee Fenton: okay thank you

[0:53:01] Trustee Patrick: all right well thank you very much thank you director smith for joining us

[0:53:05] Trustee Patrick: today it's important to to have these community discussions because our work is all so interwoven

[0:53:12] Trustee Patrick: thank you okay so trustees moving on in the agenda the next item is the repair in areas

[0:53:21] Trustee Patrick: and we have a staff report from planner egan thank

[0:53:27] Planner Eggen: you chair patrick and so this report provides

[0:53:30] Planner Eggen: It provides options and a recommended bylaw amendment to propose bylaw 109, as requested by the LTC following comments received at the public hearing held back in February.

[0:53:42] Planner Eggen: And staff is recommending one amendment, further readings of the bylaws and that the bylaws be forwarded to executive committee and the municipal, the Ministry of Municipal Affairs.

[0:53:55] Planner Eggen: and so in response to the LTC request staff is recommending an amendment to

[0:54:04] Planner Eggen: proposed bylaw 109 that lessens the burden on the landowner respecting the

[0:54:08] Planner Eggen: standards around manual removal of invasive species staff are not

[0:54:14] Planner Eggen: recommending permissive provisions with respect to small-scale agricultural

[0:54:18] Planner Eggen: expansions within the development permit area because it would be in

[0:54:22] Planner Eggen: contravention of the wrapper and staff recommend uh giving second and third readings to proposed

[0:54:31] Planner Eggen: bylaw numbers 108 and 109 109 as amended and then forwarding to the executive committee and the

[0:54:40] Planner Eggen: ministry and should the ltc concur with staff's recommendation or the alternative that's provided

[0:54:49] Planner Eggen: in the staff report staff will make the amendment to proposed bylaw 109 and

[0:54:56] Planner Eggen: continue on with the rest of the bylaw process forwarding those bylaws to the

[0:55:01] Planner Eggen: executive committee and the ministry and once bylaw 108 which is the one that's

[0:55:08] Planner Eggen: amending the OCP once that's approved by the ministry staff will be bringing back

[0:55:13] Planner Eggen: back both by-laws for adoption.

[0:55:17] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Planner Egan.

[0:55:19] Trustee Patrick: So do we have any questions or comments that the trustees?

[0:55:31] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, so not muted that.

[0:55:36] Trustee Fenton: Go ahead there.

[0:55:38] Trustee Patrick: Sure, yes, please proceed.

[0:55:40] Trustee Fenton: Okay,

[0:55:40] Trustee Patrick: yeah, so I just

[0:55:45] Trustee Fenton: need a little bit

[0:55:45] Trustee Fenton: not quite understanding how this might play out

[0:55:51] Trustee Fenton: out in the amended and what I'm wondering with this

[0:55:56] Trustee Fenton: is why the QEP reporting and or is not sort of applicable

[0:56:02] Trustee Fenton: to the entire development.

[0:56:04] Trustee Fenton: So that it's not any one individual owner,

[0:56:08] Trustee Fenton: but the developer per se that has to get a QEP report

[0:56:13] Trustee Fenton: and then provide guidance to those who subsequently

[0:56:20] Trustee Fenton: by a land within the development.

[0:56:23] Trustee Fenton: I like the idea of using the Invasive Species Council of BC

[0:56:30] Trustee Fenton: and the Coastal Invasive Species Committee

[0:56:33] Trustee Fenton: because they will be an ongoing authority

[0:56:36] Trustee Fenton: and the QEP is probably going to go to them directly for advice anyways

[0:56:41] Trustee Fenton: because that'll be the current knowledge and best practice over time beyond today.

[0:56:49] Trustee Fenton: day so i i think that that's a good a good way to go but i'm not sure how this actually would

[0:56:56] Trustee Fenton: roll out or play out so maybe if um you could enlighten me that would be appreciated thanks

[0:57:03] Trustee Fenton: sure

[0:57:04] Planner Eggen: and so just to confirm you're asking about um the proposed amendment which uh would

[0:57:12] Planner Eggen: delete the text that says in bylaw 109 in accordance with the restoration plan prepared

[0:57:19] Planner Eggen: paired by a qualified environmental professional

[0:57:21] Planner Eggen: and replace it with conducted on the basis of advice

[0:57:25] Planner Eggen: from a qualified environmental professional.

[0:57:27] Planner Eggen: Is that your question,

[0:57:28] Planner Eggen: how that change would actually work?

[0:57:32] Trustee Fenton: Yes.

[0:57:33] Planner Eggen: Yeah.

[0:57:34] Planner Eggen: Okay, so in that particular case,

[0:57:38] Planner Eggen: staff are just,

[0:57:39] Planner Eggen: what we would do is just be asking the landowner

[0:57:44] Planner Eggen: if they have received advice

[0:57:46] Planner Eggen: from the qualified environmental professional and if they could you know

[0:57:51] Planner Eggen: give us an idea of what that advice is that would be fine it doesn't have to be

[0:57:56] Planner Eggen: a restoration plan but something that we would be confirming with the landowner

[0:58:02] Planner Eggen: so it would be less onerous in terms of you know a QEP having to provide a plan

[0:58:10] Planner Eggen: but we would still like to know that the landowners is talking with a qualified

[0:58:17] Planner Eggen: environmental professional who has expertise in in this area there's also

[0:58:24] Planner Eggen: the alternative recommendation at the bottom of the staff report there on page

[0:58:35] Planner Eggen: four of the staff report 22 of the agenda which the LTC could consider so

[0:58:46] Planner Eggen: So instead of what staff is recommending on the first page, the alternative is to include

[0:58:54] Planner Eggen: just in accordance with the best management practices.

[0:58:58] Planner Eggen: So in that case, you know, staff understand that the Species Council of British Columbia

[0:59:07] Planner Eggen: and the Coastal Invasive Species Committee are really the authorities on this topic.

[0:59:14] Planner Eggen: and from my understanding from them that there is not one you know go-to manual

[0:59:21] Planner Eggen: for landowners as best practices for species removal yeah that's right it's

[0:59:32] Trustee Fenton: evolving all the time so it's a challenging topic okay so with so the

[0:59:48] Trustee Fenton: The check would be, the insurance would be that if we did option one, that they would

[0:59:57] Trustee Fenton: be checking with you.

[0:59:58] Trustee Fenton: You would be looking at whether or not they back.

[1:00:00] Trustee Fenton: actually consulted versus actually coming up

[1:00:04] Trustee Fenton: and paying for a plan or correct, okay.

[1:00:07] Trustee Fenton: And then the manual, yeah, it's just, I don't know,

[1:00:10] Trustee Fenton: that's something that's maybe it's our recommendation

[1:00:13] Trustee Fenton: that it be something that they use in their day-to-day

[1:00:19] Trustee Fenton: existence on the properties.

[1:00:20] Trustee Fenton: I mean, because the, as opposed to it standing alone

[1:00:23] Trustee Fenton: or differing, but that maybe should be the resource

[1:00:27] Trustee Fenton: or one of the resources they consider in there?

[1:00:32] Trustee Fenton: Or is that a confusing issue?

[1:00:35] Planner Eggen: I'm not sure which manual you're talking about.

[1:00:38] Trustee Fenton: And number

[1:00:38] Trustee Fenton: two, for the, we're looking at sort of the

[1:00:42] Trustee Fenton: manual removal within best practices, right?

[1:00:48] Trustee Fenton: Or does that just disappear out of the...

[1:00:52] Planner Eggen: Well, manual removal is speaking to something

[1:00:58] Planner Eggen: that's done by hand.

[1:00:59] Planner Eggen: And best practices seems to be the best term to be using because there isn't a one best management practices manual.

[1:01:12] Planner Eggen: and like you say these information around this topic is changing and

[1:01:22] Planner Eggen: continues to change and there they it seems appropriate to be pointing to the

[1:01:29] Planner Eggen: invasive species of Council Council of BC and coastal invasive species

[1:01:32] Planner Eggen: committee and in respect of ensuring that people are going to the right

[1:01:38] Planner Eggen: authorities so so sorry

[1:01:43] Planner Eggen: trustee

[1:01:44] Trustee Fenton: what you're suggesting it's one and or two right options

[1:01:51] Trustee Fenton: one or and or two what i what i was wondering is whether or not you would have one and with the

[1:01:57] Trustee Fenton: advice to refer to the um information for best practice

[1:02:05] Trustee Fenton: Okay,

[1:02:07] Planner Eggen: are you suggesting that you're asking me whether I would recommend not only the change that's in the recommendation on page one for the amendment, but also to add the information note as well?

[1:02:26] Planner Eggen: Yes.

[1:02:27] Trustee Fenton: So that this will put them in a position. They can then refer to this because this is ongoing information. They're going to attend clinics online. I mean, it's fantastic resource. So we put them in a position and they would look at, be able to say as a landlord, we need to talk to a QEP because this is beyond, you know, or this has changed or this is becoming

[1:02:47] Trustee Fenton: a problem and we need to get advice.

[1:02:50] Planner Eggen: Okay.

[1:02:51] Planner Eggen: Just

[1:02:51] Trustee Fenton: give everybody a point in the right direction.

[1:02:54] Trustee Fenton: sure

[1:02:55] Planner Eggen: and the LTC is welcome to do that and the information note could be added as well so in

[1:03:09] Planner Eggen: addition to the recommendation that's on page one option

[1:03:14] Trustee Fenton: one yes yes

[1:03:15] Planner Eggen: on on page one you could add the

[1:03:23] Planner Eggen: alternative that is on page four as well which is um one b so yeah

[1:03:38] Trustee Fenton: i see what you mean yeah add that

[1:03:39] Trustee Fenton: that note yeah it's not the alternative wording all together just the b information note

[1:03:46] Planner Eggen: that's

[1:03:47] Trustee Fenton: to one, option one on page three.

[1:03:54] Planner Eggen: So my suggestion would be to number five

[1:03:59] Planner Eggen: of the recommended, of the recommendations on page one

[1:04:05] Planner Eggen: that you add the addition of the information note.

[1:04:24] Planner Eggen: so yeah

[1:04:28] Trustee Fenton: it just gives the landowner a tool to work with and

[1:04:33] Voice 11: break

[1:04:34] Trustee Fenton: down the barriers and

[1:04:35] Trustee Fenton: the fear of the QEP because once you actually get some of that information and having a

[1:04:41] Trustee Fenton: conversation with the QEP really much more pointed and more directed his mind I suggest

[1:04:50] Trustee Fenton: thank you

[1:04:53] Trustee Patrick: do you have any other questions at this time trustee Fenton uh

[1:04:57] Trustee Fenton: no this is a good

[1:04:59] Trustee Fenton: start I'll see what I you can have

[1:05:01] Trustee Patrick: more I'll give trustee Luckin then a chance go ahead trustee

[1:05:07] Trustee Patrick: yes please well

[1:05:09] Trustee Luckham: thank you this is a really good report and this well there's a number of things

[1:05:15] Trustee Luckham: that I think are worth saying here for the record more than anything else it's a really good report

[1:05:21] Trustee Luckham: because it identifies the two areas that we asked for the potential to make

[1:05:27] Trustee Luckham: amendments one of which would be in conflict with the riparian area

[1:05:32] Trustee Luckham: regulations and so is simply you know off the table and so totally appreciate

[1:05:39] Trustee Luckham: that and they and associated with the farming activities and then the second

[1:05:45] Trustee Luckham: one here is the removal of invasive species and you provided two options one more it says less

[1:05:55] Trustee Luckham: costly or no cost of land in order to provide advice for providing advice versus a plan

[1:06:01] Trustee Luckham: and then one that is the least costly to landowners i'm not so sure that cost it certainly

[1:06:10] Trustee Luckham: cost is a factor always but the one thing that we've heard from so actually

[1:06:18] Trustee Luckham: let me just finish that thought so one thing is just through the regulation is

[1:06:23] Trustee Luckham: not possible for us to do or certainly not recommended and the other one that

[1:06:27] Trustee Luckham: is some flexibility and there's options for us to to make some changes and so

[1:06:33] Trustee Luckham: appreciate the first suggestion I'm fine with that I think what it comes down to

[1:06:39] Trustee Luckham: to hear on this second one is maybe Trustee Fenton and I have slightly different point

[1:06:45] Trustee Luckham: of view here.

[1:06:45] Trustee Luckham: So I'll just say that, you know, from the beginning of this project, which has been

[1:06:50] Trustee Luckham: so many, many years, and thank you, Marnie, for sticking with us all this time and getting

[1:06:53] Trustee Luckham: us to this final stage here, that the concerns of the community have been is that this is

[1:07:01] Trustee Luckham: unnecessary, and that we are going to do the best things we can, and we're going to take

[1:07:08] Trustee Luckham: take action in the best way and we're not going to do any harm because we

[1:07:11] Trustee Luckham: live here because we want to preserve and protect the environment as well and

[1:07:16] Trustee Luckham: of course this is a regulatory requirement handed down to us from the

[1:07:20] Trustee Luckham: province and it isn't like we have a choice about doing this or not all we

[1:07:26] Trustee Luckham: can do is if we used ice cream as an example the dessert you're going to have

[1:07:32] Trustee Luckham: is ice cream and you can pick the flavor um you can't choose anything else and so here we're down

[1:07:39] Trustee Luckham: to the flavor and i want to acknowledge that there are skills and abilities and philosophical points

[1:07:46] Trustee Luckham: of view of the people that live um in the proximity of that riparian area that i i want to

[1:07:52] Trustee Luckham: be able to say that um i'm sure that they will do the right thing um uh based upon best practices

[1:07:59] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm actually inclined to want to take the alternate suggestion, which is option

[1:08:06] Trustee Luckham: two only.

[1:08:08] Trustee Luckham: And I don't fully understand the point of view of including the information on option

[1:08:18] Trustee Luckham: one.

[1:08:19] Trustee Luckham: But I don't think that I want to actually go down the road of option one, because I

[1:08:27] Trustee Luckham: I do believe, and I've heard loud and clear,

[1:08:29] Trustee Luckham: that the people that live on the strata

[1:08:32] Trustee Luckham: will do the right thing.

[1:08:33] Trustee Luckham: And of course, if they do the wrong thing,

[1:08:35] Trustee Luckham: then there is an enforcement mechanism

[1:08:38] Trustee Luckham: that would come into play.

[1:08:39] Trustee Luckham: But if they were doing something outside

[1:08:41] Trustee Luckham: of the riparian area regulations,

[1:08:44] Trustee Luckham: then that would be a whole different thing.

[1:08:47] Trustee Luckham: And I'm absolutely certain that they wouldn't want to do that

[1:08:50] Trustee Luckham: in any way, shape or form.

[1:08:52] Trustee Luckham: So I'm inclined to want to not have to engage the QEP

[1:08:57] Trustee Luckham: unless it's absolutely necessary. And I think that, as Doug has pointed out, that using the

[1:09:04] Trustee Luckham: organizations such as the Invasive Species Council of British Columbia and the Coastal

[1:09:09] Trustee Luckham: Invasive Species Committee is a really good place for them to be because they are going to get the

[1:09:17] Trustee Luckham: best advice about doing that native vegetation management. And so I am inclined to want to

[1:09:27] Trustee Luckham: take option two, which is listed on page four of the report, the alternative, along of course

[1:09:37] Trustee Luckham: with all the other motions. So I would like to hear from Doug and Laura with respect to

[1:09:45] Trustee Luckham: to determining whether or not rather than amending,

[1:09:50] Trustee Luckham: I don't see the necessity to amend the first one

[1:09:57] Trustee Luckham: because it doesn't make it any less onerous

[1:09:59] Trustee Luckham: to the property owners.

[1:10:01] Trustee Luckham: And I'm after making it the least onerous

[1:10:04] Trustee Luckham: and least costly to landowners as noted on option two.

[1:10:09] Trustee Patrick: I just want to clarify,

[1:10:10] Trustee Patrick: there's no option one or option two.

[1:10:11] Trustee Patrick: There's a recommendation number five,

[1:10:13] Trustee Patrick: and then there's an alternative um so are you uh agreeing that you support the alternative motion

[1:10:23] Trustee Patrick: versus recommendation five on page one of the report or page 22 of the agenda package

[1:10:30] Trustee Patrick: oh

[1:10:31] Trustee Luckham: so maybe i've misunderstood it because on page three there's option one and option two

[1:10:35] Trustee Luckham: and the alternative is option two the recommended i believe is option one is that not correct

[1:10:41] Trustee Luckham: okay

[1:10:43] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:10:43] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So then, yeah, indeed, I'm in turn in favor of the alternative,

[1:10:49] Trustee Luckham: which is option two. Correct. Okay. Yeah. All right.

[1:10:53] Trustee Patrick: Just clarifying line. There we go.

[1:10:56] Trustee Luckham: It's complicated.

[1:10:57] Trustee Patrick: It is complicated. Mel, I'll just add my comments. Well,

[1:11:04] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Fenton thinks of the next things there, but I support the alternative as well. I think

[1:11:11] Trustee Patrick: that's the right way to go because we want more people managing invasive species than less. So I

[1:11:17] Trustee Patrick: think that's the right way to go. The other comment I'm going to make is I don't propose

[1:11:21] Trustee Patrick: any amendments to this, but it's more something I'd like to place in the mind of the trustees

[1:11:26] Trustee Patrick: right now and something we could address either later in this meeting or in another meeting is I

[1:11:32] Trustee Patrick: do understand some of the anxieties and concerns that the residents feel for a development permit

[1:11:40] Trustee Patrick: permit area and their concerns. And I think that we need to consider moving to a sort of an

[1:11:46] Trustee Patrick: adaptive management approach that we want to learn as we get experience with the bylaw, as it gets,

[1:11:53] Trustee Patrick: you know, it gets out into practice. You know, are there issues with the maps? Maps change. We

[1:11:59] Trustee Patrick: have climate change occurring and things can change over time and that we need to be, you know,

[1:12:06] Trustee Patrick: keep it in our mind and be able to go back from time to time to make sure that the bylaw and the

[1:12:10] Trustee Patrick: the maps remain relevant with uh with time and that's just something like i said we don't don't

[1:12:17] Trustee Patrick: need to change the bylaw but it's something we might want to look at in other other mechanisms

[1:12:21] Trustee Patrick: within either the ocp or other ways that we keep keep our eye on these things because we may need

[1:12:26] Trustee Patrick: other development permit areas and i think it gives more confidence to the community that we

[1:12:30] Trustee Patrick: are willing to recognize that they do change in time trustee fenton anything any other questions

[1:12:41] Trustee Patrick: so

[1:12:50] Trustee Fenton: help me understand how then like this land sells next week or next month to somebody who

[1:13:00] Trustee Fenton: used to the rockies um never lived in the gulf islands downtown vancouver

[1:13:08] Trustee Fenton: um who has a just a different world view no offense to the individuals or the family but

[1:13:17] Trustee Fenton: that came out of concrete, a paved parking lot existence

[1:13:24] Trustee Fenton: to live now on this RAR area.

[1:13:28] Trustee Fenton: How does that, or how do we know,

[1:13:31] Trustee Fenton: or how do we, as this population changes,

[1:13:36] Trustee Fenton: how do we mitigate or manage plan for this area

[1:13:44] Trustee Fenton: to be cared for?

[1:13:46] Trustee Fenton: I have concerns that if we don't have any checks and balances, I like the notion of, especially Patrick, where we do have some form of adaptive research.

[1:14:02] Trustee Fenton: Maybe we have some form of circle that things go around and are checked on and or followed up on.

[1:14:08] Trustee Fenton: but if the property sells tomorrow and then who is going to check up on that individual or that

[1:14:13] Trustee Fenton: family or that property where are the checks and balances that they've actually done the reading

[1:14:21] Trustee Fenton: that they've conferred with the neighbors or whatever the right sort of individuals are

[1:14:28] Trustee Fenton: or did they just carry forth as most people do when they're um weeding their gardens or

[1:14:35] Trustee Fenton: or controlling their weeds or planting their lawns.

[1:14:39] Trustee Patrick: I can comment because there's some of this

[1:14:41] Trustee Patrick: has come out of our freshwater round table

[1:14:43] Trustee Patrick: that we've had as well.

[1:14:44] Trustee Patrick: And North Pender has probably the most

[1:14:47] Trustee Patrick: development permit areas of other islands.

[1:14:50] Trustee Patrick: That is one of the challenges with development permit areas

[1:14:52] Trustee Patrick: because it's not an untitled item, it's a mapped bylaw.

[1:14:56] Trustee Patrick: And it can be a surprise to a landowner.

[1:15:00] Trustee Patrick: And that's that we have a representation of development

[1:15:04] Trustee Patrick: on the freshwater round table and he says that's what he commonly gets is a somebody comes they buy

[1:15:11] Trustee Patrick: their property they have their dream and then they start working on it and they find out you know it

[1:15:16] Trustee Patrick: was a development permit area and there were restrictions and you know so it is a challenge

[1:15:22] Trustee Patrick: I know on North Pender they did you know they're they decided to do a mail out to all you know all

[1:15:30] Trustee Patrick: residents to educate them on the various development permits that they have and they

[1:15:35] Trustee Patrick: also continue to look to contractors that serve the island to make them aware of the development

[1:15:43] Trustee Patrick: permits but it is challenging i don't know if staff or planner egan if you have anything to add

[1:15:49] Trustee Patrick: on mechanisms for making residents aware of development permits thanks

[1:15:58] Planner Eggen: chair patrick i'm

[1:16:01] Planner Eggen: Yeah, I'm aware that at a trust-wide level that information packages are going out to landowners as well.

[1:16:11] Planner Eggen: And the regional offices in the north, as time permits, we do provide information specifically to real estate agents as much as we can.

[1:16:31] Planner Eggen: um besides um besides you know fielding inquiries from landowners including those ones new to the

[1:16:40] Planner Eggen: islands i

[1:16:48] Trustee Patrick: think uh i i agree plenary it is a and i think it's something we've been talking about

[1:16:53] Trustee Patrick: at the trust council level is we do need to be better at communicating to people that you know

[1:17:00] Trustee Patrick: you're traveling through traveling to uh the islands trust area what does that mean where do

[1:17:06] Trustee Patrick: you find the information and so forth and and we do need to improve our communication trustee luck

[1:17:16] Trustee Patrick: so

[1:17:18] Trustee Luckham: um certainly understand that understand the question uh about the accountability

[1:17:27] Trustee Luckham: piece of this um and that if this was an individual property somewhere on the island

[1:17:37] Trustee Luckham: and then this riparian area affected all of individual properties,

[1:17:44] Trustee Luckham: I would likely want to have a greater level of accountability

[1:17:48] Trustee Luckham: because you're right, if somebody just comes in,

[1:17:51] Trustee Luckham: buys that property, does whatever they think that they used to be able to do

[1:17:55] Trustee Luckham: in the community that they lived in before,

[1:17:56] Trustee Luckham: it would be a bit of a disaster.

[1:17:58] Trustee Luckham: And we see evidence of that all the time.

[1:18:01] Trustee Luckham: Every day.

[1:18:03] Trustee Luckham: Disaster might be the wrong word.

[1:18:05] Trustee Luckham: But what we're actually looking at there is a strata development. It's actually a little micro

[1:18:11] Trustee Luckham: community of individual lot owners with a significant amount of common land. And in fact,

[1:18:18] Trustee Luckham: for the most part, the repair and area regulation is being exercised over the common land.

[1:18:24] Trustee Luckham: And I think that I have faith and trust in that body of the community, of which certainly over

[1:18:32] Trustee Luckham: Over time, and indeed there's properties for sale in that strata community today, that those individual owners may change.

[1:18:39] Trustee Luckham: But those individual owners are buying into that more ecological living framework that is being developed there and has a number of people that are adherents to that responsibility for the marine and terrestrial environment,

[1:18:58] Trustee Luckham: which is indeed what we've heard all along through here even with successive

[1:19:03] Trustee Luckham: changes of property owners and in fact since we started this project years ago

[1:19:08] Trustee Luckham: and there's a number of new owners there that have come from places afar and they

[1:19:14] Trustee Luckham: have embraced the philosophy of the human management component responsibility

[1:19:23] Trustee Luckham: back to the natural environment so I think that there's a sort of a potential

[1:19:27] Trustee Luckham: for a self-regulating body, there being a micro-community that have to live together

[1:19:33] Trustee Luckham: within the framework of the strata, and all together have to appreciate the riparian area

[1:19:39] Trustee Luckham: regulations.

[1:19:41] Trustee Luckham: Braci's speaking about a very small part of this being invasive species management.

[1:19:47] Trustee Luckham: management. And the fact that we're even talking about having invasive species management in

[1:19:57] Trustee Luckham: a particular area on the island is incredibly exciting as I look out across my property

[1:20:03] Trustee Luckham: onto my neighbor's property who has no or very little invasive species management. And

[1:20:09] Trustee Luckham: so I would like to see invasive species being managed more broadly throughout the entire

[1:20:15] Trustee Luckham: island than just focusing on an individual area. But maybe from that individual area,

[1:20:22] Trustee Luckham: it will spread out into a philosophy to do it on a better scale elsewhere.

[1:20:27] Trustee Luckham: I am less concerned about that for those reasons. Perhaps Planner Egan might like to

[1:20:37] Trustee Luckham: mention that if somebody went afoul of the suggestion that the less onerous methodology

[1:20:46] Trustee Luckham: that we've got here, and let's just say they brought in a tractor and started ripping up

[1:20:49] Trustee Luckham: the lawn in order to do their or setting fire to everything in order to get rid of their

[1:20:55] Trustee Luckham: blackberries or their broom, I'm presuming that there would be an enforcement response

[1:21:03] Trustee Luckham: associated with some kind of non-permitted activity within the

[1:21:08] Trustee Luckham: riparian area through

[1:21:13] Planner Eggen: the chair yes to answer trustee look um yes and that

[1:21:19] Planner Eggen: would only be spurred on by a bylaw complaint yeah yeah just

[1:21:29] Trustee Patrick: the the model

[1:21:30] Trustee Patrick: fee bylaws that are making their way through the regional planning committee

[1:21:33] Trustee Patrick: we we have recommended a higher fee for retroactive permits within development permit

[1:21:42] Trustee Patrick: areas i think it's just a 20 increase but to indicate you know to at least put some message

[1:21:47] Trustee Patrick: that uh there's there's more cost associated to the islands trust as well to uh to process a

[1:21:55] Trustee Patrick: retroactive permit all

[1:22:05] Voice 3: right trustees yes how would you like to go any

[1:22:08] Trustee Patrick: proceed

[1:22:10] Trustee Patrick: Proceed.

[1:22:13] Trustee Luckham: And certainly we can have more debate when we get to item number five.

[1:22:17] Trustee Luckham: I think that all the other eight are fairly straightforward,

[1:22:20] Trustee Luckham: but item five is the one that's still up for discussion perhaps.

[1:22:23] Trustee Luckham: So I'd be happy to begin that process if you like.

[1:22:25] Trustee Luckham: Proceed.

[1:22:27] Trustee Luckham: I move that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 108

[1:22:30] Trustee Luckham: cited as Thetis Island Official Community Plan 2011 Amendment Bylaw number 1,

[1:22:34] Trustee Luckham: 2020 be read a second time.

[1:22:37] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[1:22:39] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Fenton.

[1:22:41] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion on this motion?

[1:22:43] Trustee Patrick: not seeing any i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carried you're muted uh doug so

[1:22:55] Trustee Patrick: i i took your there we go yes all right carried do

[1:23:02] Trustee Luckham: you want me to continue doug i know that

[1:23:04] Trustee Luckham: your right

[1:23:04] Trustee Luckham: arm is not working well so

[1:23:08] Trustee Fenton: left arm but yeah sure i'll go to uh so that the fetus island uh local trust committee

[1:23:15] Trustee Fenton: by-law 108, cited as Thetis Island Official Community Plan

[1:23:20] Trustee Fenton: 2011, amendment by-law number one, 2020,

[1:23:25] Trustee Fenton: be read a third time.

[1:23:27] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[1:23:28] Voice 11: Second.

[1:23:29] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Luckham.

[1:23:30] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion?

[1:23:32] Trustee Patrick: I will call the vote.

[1:23:33] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:23:36] Trustee Patrick: Aye.

[1:23:36] Trustee Patrick: And that's carried.

[1:23:38] Trustee Luckham: So moved that Thetis Island Local Trust Committee

[1:23:41] Trustee Luckham: by-law number 108, cited as Thetis Island

[1:23:43] Trustee Luckham: and official committee plan 2011 amendment bylaw number one 2020 be forwarded to the secretary of

[1:23:47] Trustee Luckham: the islands trust for approval by the executive committee is

[1:23:51] Trustee Patrick: there a second second by trustee

[1:23:53] Trustee Patrick: benton's any discussion call the vote all those in favor all

[1:23:58] Voice 11: right uh

[1:24:00] Trustee Patrick: trustee luckham did you vote

[1:24:01] Trustee Patrick: that's carried okay

[1:24:04] Trustee Fenton: so um for the the islands trust local trust committee for

[1:24:09] Trustee Fenton: Ford By-law 108, Cited as Cedars Island,

[1:24:13] Trustee Fenton: Official Community Plan 2011,

[1:24:15] Trustee Fenton: Amendment By-law Number 1, 2020

[1:24:18] Trustee Fenton: to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs.

[1:24:21] Trustee Fenton: Is

[1:24:21] Trustee Patrick: there a second?

[1:24:24] Trustee Patrick: Yep.

[1:24:24] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Luckham.

[1:24:26] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[1:24:27] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote.

[1:24:28] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:24:31] Trustee Patrick: And that's carried.

[1:24:32] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, so here we are then.

[1:24:34] Trustee Luckham: I will move that the Cedars Island Local Trust Committee

[1:24:36] Trustee Luckham: amend bylaw number 109, cited as Cetis Island Land Use Bylaw 2011, amendment number 1, 2020,

[1:24:43] Trustee Luckham: as follows. A, by deleting the text in accordance with the restoration plan prepared by a qualified

[1:24:49] Trustee Luckham: environmental professional in subsection 11.1.3G and replacing it with in accordance with best

[1:24:57] Trustee Luckham: management practices. And then B, by adding the following information, note directly after

[1:25:05] Trustee Luckham: subsection 11.1.3 exempted activities. Quote, information note, for best

[1:25:12] Trustee Luckham: management practices on manual removal of invasive species and planting of

[1:25:17] Trustee Luckham: native vegetation, property owners should contact organizations such as the

[1:25:22] Trustee Luckham: Invasive Species Council of Columbia and the Coastal Invasive Species Committee.

[1:25:27] Trustee Luckham: committee.

[1:25:28] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second? Seconded by Trustee Fenton. Any discussion?

[1:25:36] Trustee Luckham: Well, I'll just speak to it if you don't mind. This has been a really long journey. We have

[1:25:42] Trustee Luckham: tried our best to listen and collaborate with property owners there. Certainly understand and

[1:25:51] Trustee Luckham: respect there is a difference of opinion ideological on the necessity for the regulation

[1:25:57] Trustee Luckham: at all. And so we are obligated to put this regulation into place by the provincial

[1:26:08] Trustee Luckham: government. And this is one of the pieces of this that at the very end of this has been asked for,

[1:26:17] Trustee Luckham: and I am comfortable and trust that it will all work out for the reasons I had indicated

[1:26:27] Trustee Luckham: earlier I think that that community is able to manage this in a good way so I thank the local

[1:26:35] Trustee Luckham: trust committee for entertaining us

[1:26:39] Trustee Patrick: sorry I have a cat that had an opinion too is there any further

[1:26:44] Trustee Patrick: discussion on this motion I

[1:26:47] Trustee Fenton: just I would comment that I want to thank everybody for the conversation

[1:26:51] Trustee Fenton: around this because once again this is trying to bring this putting you know boots on the ground

[1:26:57] Trustee Fenton: and actually traction in these policies are challenging.

[1:27:00] Trustee Fenton: And so I appreciate the opportunity

[1:27:03] Trustee Fenton: to have the conversation and for the planner Egan

[1:27:08] Trustee Fenton: and her team of people to make this

[1:27:11] Trustee Fenton: and bring this to what it is.

[1:27:13] Trustee Fenton: And community for contributing and speaking forward

[1:27:17] Trustee Fenton: or speaking up and trying to find ways forward

[1:27:23] Trustee Fenton: that are amenable to us all.

[1:27:25] Trustee Fenton: So thank you.

[1:27:31] Trustee Fenton: any

[1:27:32] Trustee Patrick: further discussion i will call the vote then all those in favor and that's carried

[1:27:40] Trustee Patrick: and i'll just point out the uh six seven and eight i guess it should be bylaw number 109

[1:27:45] Trustee Patrick: as amended just uh for wording thank

[1:27:49] Trustee Luckham: you so

[1:27:55] Trustee Fenton: six yes uh so the steve's island local trust

[1:28:00] Trustee Fenton: trust committee bylaw number 109 as amended,

[1:28:05] Trustee Fenton: cited as Thetis Island land use bylaw 2011,

[1:28:09] Trustee Fenton: amendment bylaw number one 2020,

[1:28:12] Trustee Fenton: be read a second time as amended.

[1:28:15] Trustee Fenton: Oh,

[1:28:16] Trustee Patrick: she got the language there.

[1:28:17] Trustee Patrick: You're just too good Planner Egan, thank you.

[1:28:19] Trustee Luckham: You're way ahead of me.

[1:28:22] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[1:28:23] Trustee Luckham: I second that.

[1:28:25] Trustee Patrick: That's right, seconded by Trustee Luckham.

[1:28:28] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion?

[1:28:31] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then. All those in favor?

[1:28:33] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[1:28:34] Trustee Patrick: And that's carried.

[1:28:35] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:28:37] Trustee Luckham: I move that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee by-law number 109, cited as the Thetis Island Land Use By-law 2011 Amendment by-law number 1, 2020, be read a third time.

[1:28:50] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second? Seconded by Trustee Fenton.

[1:28:55] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion? I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[1:29:01] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Luckman, did you vote?

[1:29:02] Trustee Patrick: Oh,

[1:29:03] Trustee Luckham: I did. Yes. Sorry. That's scary.

[1:29:05] Trustee Patrick: I

[1:29:06] Trustee Luckham: was just reflecting on,

[1:29:08] Trustee Luckham: does this need to be advanced to the province or how does that part of it

[1:29:11] Trustee Luckham: work?

[1:29:12] Trustee Patrick: No, that's not a OCP amendment. This is LEV.

[1:29:18] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[1:29:19] Trustee Luckham: Just I know we had our amendments rejected by the province before,

[1:29:23] Trustee Luckham: but I'm guessing we're not going to run afoul of that.

[1:29:28] Trustee Fenton: Is there an amended as amended needed on that one as well?

[1:29:32] Trustee Luckham: No.

[1:29:32] Trustee Luckham: It was amended in the previous go round.

[1:29:35] Trustee Fenton: Oh, I see. So it just falls.

[1:29:36] Trustee Fenton: Okay,

[1:29:37] Trustee Luckham: you want to do eight, Doug?

[1:29:39] Trustee Fenton: Sure.

[1:29:40] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, so the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw 109 cited as Thetis Island Land Use

[1:29:47] Trustee Fenton: Bylaw 2011, amended Bylaw Number 1, 2020, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands

[1:29:54] Trustee Fenton: Trust for approval by the Executive Committee.

[1:29:59] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick: A second by Trustee Luckham. Any discussion? I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[1:30:08] Trustee Patrick: Aye.

[1:30:09] Trustee Patrick: And that's carried. Well, thank you. This is, yes.

[1:30:14] Trustee Luckham: I'm a wee bit confused here, and perhaps through the chair, the planner might be able to help here,

[1:30:20] Trustee Luckham: because I, oh, I see. The amendment is being forwarded to the Minister of Municipal Affairs.

[1:30:31] Trustee Luckham: So the amendment on By-law 108 is being sent to Municipal Affairs.

[1:30:38] Trustee Luckham: And OK, so that's understood because I just know that it's embarrassing to have to acknowledge one more time that the OCP amendments for the repair and area regulations on Piers Island was rejected by the minister at the time.

[1:30:54] Trustee Luckham: And we have still yet to revisit that work to get bring Piers Island into compliance.

[1:30:59] Trustee Luckham: so I now answered my own question all

[1:31:03] Trustee Patrick: right uh uh Sarah Sugar you have your hand raised

[1:31:06] Trustee Patrick: thank

[1:31:10] Voice 4: you Chair Patrick uh I think I I missed uh I don't think you voted on

[1:31:16] Voice 4: uh resolution number seven I believe there was a question but then the vote wasn't called so

[1:31:23] Voice 4: I just wanted to go back to that I

[1:31:27] Trustee Luckham: think there was I was in favor um

[1:31:30] Trustee Patrick: I think yeah no I thought

[1:31:32] Trustee Patrick: thought i thought i had called the vote but i could

[1:31:34] Trustee Patrick: have easily have flushed right over it so

[1:31:37] Trustee Patrick: uh i think we all three registered a in favor vote okay

[1:31:42] Voice 4: thank you no

[1:31:43] Trustee Patrick: but thank you for calling

[1:31:44] Trustee Patrick: us out and i i could have let's need another cup of coffee here and speaking of coffee before we

[1:31:50] Trustee Patrick: head into the next item on the agenda so one i would like to congratulate the trustees for

[1:31:54] Trustee Patrick: for getting this in and Planner Egan for taking this

[1:31:57] Trustee Patrick: through a very long path.

[1:32:02] Trustee Patrick: And, but it's important to have this work done.

[1:32:06] Trustee Patrick: And thank you.

[1:32:08] Trustee Patrick: Before we go into the next item,

[1:32:09] Trustee Patrick: which is the shoreline protection options,

[1:32:11] Trustee Patrick: I thought I'd check in.

[1:32:12] Trustee Patrick: Does everyone doing okay?

[1:32:13] Trustee Patrick: Anyone need a break?

[1:32:17] Trustee Luckham: A couple of minutes wouldn't be a harmful thing.

[1:32:21] Trustee Luckham: We can celebrate the success of the repairing area

[1:32:25] Trustee Luckham: and come back in five minutes.

[1:32:26] Trustee Luckham: So you

[1:32:27] Trustee Patrick: want to take a five minute break, head back here around 1108. Okay.

[1:32:31] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. And thank you, Marnie, for you and Courtney Simpson and Alexander Brzezelski and anybody else

[1:32:39] Trustee Luckham: that I've forgotten for getting this repairing error regulations through. Thank you.

[1:32:43] Trustee Luckham: I

[1:32:43] Planner Eggen: think Karen Cronstall was one of them too.

[1:32:46] Trustee Luckham: Okay, perfect. Thank you.

[1:32:48] Trustee Fenton: The

[1:32:48] Trustee Patrick: history of planners. All right. Thank you. And we'll be back in five minutes.

[1:38:23] Trustee Patrick: just waiting for trustee Fenton are you there there we are all right everybody ready yep okay

[1:38:55] Trustee Patrick: so the next thing we have is a shoreline protection options memorandum and I really

[1:39:00] Trustee Patrick: thank you this is coming back from the previous discussion we had on this and we have a staff

[1:39:06] Trustee Patrick: report beginning on page 35 of the agenda package looks like over to Heather Cower and you're muted

[1:39:15] Trustee Patrick: share

[1:39:19] Voice 5: share screen with you um i just want to make sure i'm on the right page here

[1:39:24] Voice 5: all right so this is a memo um discussing options for shoreline protection and um

[1:39:40] Voice 5: the ltc it has to kind of explore those options um so there's a couple of things here one is

[1:39:47] Voice 5: is sort of a summary of the regulatory options

[1:39:51] Voice 5: that you have to deal with shorelines.

[1:39:55] Voice 5: And what I've also done is attached a discussion paper

[1:40:00] Voice 5: that planner Jamie Dubinia had put together

[1:40:03] Voice 5: for a Keats Island shoreline project recently.

[1:40:09] Voice 5: I think one of the main questions was about First Nations

[1:40:14] Voice 5: and how First Nations issues, concerns, history can all be incorporated.

[1:40:23] Voice 5: I think Trustee Fenton expressed a particular interest in making sure

[1:40:30] Voice 5: that whatever project we do, we're involving First Nations.

[1:40:32] Voice 5: But if there was a way that we could also protect First Nations archaeological sites,

[1:40:39] Voice 5: that would be ideal.

[1:40:40] Voice 5: deal. Of the regulatory options that you have, the one that directly does that is a heritage

[1:40:49] Voice 5: conservation area. And I haven't given a lot of detail here, but there is a project on

[1:40:58] Voice 5: the Regional Planning Committee work program this year to help develop a model heritage

[1:41:07] Voice 5: heritage conservation area, in addition to doing some heritage conservation mapping.

[1:41:14] Voice 5: So I think I've expressed in this report, too, that the RPC has been undergoing development

[1:41:22] Voice 5: of shoreline development permit areas, and with that work, with the model HCA, that could

[1:41:30] Voice 5: also, they could kind of piggyback off of each other.

[1:41:33] Voice 5: So here are the options. There's some work being done in other areas of the trust. The discussion paper expresses some of that. And this may or may not inform the next thing that you want to do on your projects list. And I'll sort of leave it at that and then answer any questions that you have.

[1:41:59] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Heather. I just thought I'd update. South Pender just had a meeting last Friday, and they were also thinking about the shoreline protection, and we had mentioned Thetis and the work that you were doing.

[1:42:15] Trustee Patrick: they chose to rephrase it they just called it coastal protection for made it broader and wanted

[1:42:23] Trustee Patrick: to join sort of with with with Thetis sort of on this exploration of what what is it we're trying

[1:42:28] Trustee Patrick: to do and what are what are our tools so I just thought I'd share that South Pender is and I know

[1:42:36] Trustee Patrick: regional planner manager Robert Kojima was going to reach out to you Heather and because I think

[1:42:42] Trustee Patrick: this is a great this is great to see that this conversation sort of growing so i know we have

[1:42:47] Trustee Patrick: jamie um labina here as well um trustees do you want to just ask questions how would you like to

[1:42:53] Trustee Patrick: proceed maybe

[1:43:01] Trustee Luckham: i'll jump in um that's an interesting idea to expand that to coastal rather than just

[1:43:11] Trustee Luckham: shoreline i think we would want to consider this there's some good well there's some pros and cons

[1:43:21] Trustee Luckham: I guess, is the situation I would see. And we'd want to be careful about, I guess, primarily want

[1:43:30] Trustee Luckham: to be cautious about expanding the scope from what I perceive as being the interface between

[1:43:40] Trustee Luckham: the high watermark or down to the high watermark, as opposed to implications associated with

[1:43:51] Trustee Luckham: beyond the shoreline into the water, into the marine environment.

[1:43:57] Trustee Luckham: But certainly there's issues there that need to be protected

[1:44:01] Trustee Luckham: and perhaps that can be embraced in this.

[1:44:04] Trustee Luckham: But at the moment, my thought has been about the part of this

[1:44:10] Trustee Luckham: that we have the greatest impact as human beings on

[1:44:17] Trustee Luckham: is the development of the shoreline and how that ultimately is a detriment to the marine

[1:44:22] Trustee Luckham: environment. So I want to think about that a bit more. I'm certainly glad that those other parties

[1:44:30] Trustee Luckham: are interested in participating, certainly glad in the work of Gambier. I guess, and certainly

[1:44:38] Trustee Luckham: every step of the way, we have to be walking together with First Nations along the shoreline

[1:44:45] Trustee Luckham: to understand all of the traditional knowledge and values that exist there as well, that quite

[1:44:56] Trustee Luckham: honestly, we may not be aware of or cognizant of in the same way. And we definitely need to

[1:45:02] Trustee Luckham: embrace that. I guess, having been down the development pyramid area road before when we

[1:45:10] Trustee Luckham: did the OCP, and Marnie, you might recall that, there was a lot of resistance on the part of

[1:45:18] Trustee Luckham: property owners to thinking that we were going to be infringing upon their property rights.

[1:45:24] Trustee Luckham: And a much more vocal group compared to what we've experienced in the repairing

[1:45:33] Trustee Luckham: area regulations that we've participated in now. And certainly there are voices

[1:45:38] Trustee Luckham: out there that are concerned that any kind of development permit areas are the

[1:45:43] Trustee Luckham: leading edge of the wedge on the regulatory front. So with that said,

[1:45:53] Trustee Luckham: I want to participate, I want to get as much knowledge as we can, I want to

[1:45:57] Trustee Luckham: share and learn from others, and I want to share and learn from our very own

[1:46:02] Trustee Luckham: own property owners here in order to understand their needs and then understand our concerns with

[1:46:10] Trustee Luckham: protection of that shoreline and the marine environment. And so I think the most important

[1:46:16] Trustee Luckham: piece of this is the public conversation part of it. And I see in the report that there's

[1:46:24] Trustee Luckham: some concern about expanding that public dialogue too much in order to get some short-term gains.

[1:46:33] Trustee Luckham: I think I'm probably more inclined to want to go for long-term gains than short-term gains,

[1:46:39] Trustee Luckham: because I think it's so necessary to have a deep discussion about this so that we can come to this

[1:46:51] Trustee Luckham: encouraged that everybody believes that this is the right thing to do and why it would be the

[1:46:55] Trustee Luckham: right thing to do or not. I keep coming with an open mind, of course. So with respect to the

[1:47:05] Trustee Luckham: details of the report, I wonder whether or not we couldn't begin a process now in the short term

[1:47:11] Trustee Luckham: that starts that public education awareness and our opportunity to learn from the public about

[1:47:18] Trustee Luckham: about what their concerns might be with respect to shoreline protection, and then embrace

[1:47:24] Trustee Luckham: the Keats Island, Gambier Island work, embrace the work of other LTCs to then start to formulate

[1:47:35] Trustee Luckham: the ideas that we hear throughout the Islands Trust area into something that looks like

[1:47:40] Trustee Luckham: some kind of development permit area.

[1:47:43] Trustee Luckham: But I think that I'd like to warm up the soup here, so to speak, to start to have that conversation in our community, to start to engage them into this conversation for a really good, solid, long-term solution, not just a short term.

[1:48:02] Trustee Patrick: I just wanted to follow up. The South Pender, by using the word coastal, wasn't expanding. It was the fact that they really wanted to think carefully about the problem statement.

[1:48:13] Trustee Patrick: What is it we're trying to do? What are the benefits that we're expecting from this? And I think that was the key thing. Is it archaeological protection? Is it the shoreline interface of armoring and other activities or dock building? Or is it stairs?

[1:48:33] Trustee Patrick: Is it the upland effects of what's coming from the upland and affecting on to the shoreline?

[1:48:39] Trustee Patrick: And I realized that it is a big area and there's lots of questions and interface with that.

[1:48:45] Trustee Patrick: And I think from a political standpoint, I think that's important for for the three of us to have that conversation to sort of start to sort of narrow in on where what is the community conversation?

[1:48:58] Trustee Patrick: conversation? Is it the whole, all of it? Or are we trying to narrow the conversation and get into

[1:49:06] Trustee Patrick: some very details on a tighter area? So that's what I really encourage you to think about as

[1:49:14] Trustee Patrick: we're thinking is what are we trying to do? Or what is it that you want to do? And what do you

[1:49:20] Trustee Patrick: think the benefits or what do you expect the benefits from this type of work to be? Trustee

[1:49:27] Trustee Patrick: Fenton did you have comments questions and remember we have Jamie here from with experience

[1:49:33] Trustee Patrick: from Keats Island there

[1:49:38] Trustee Fenton: yes thank you Patrick I'm I think this is really good I think the I like the

[1:49:45] Trustee Fenton: notion of the you know adding to what's been put on the table with regards to gaining greater

[1:49:54] Trustee Fenton: greater understanding and then sort of learning

[1:49:56] Trustee Fenton: and the community learning with us

[1:49:59] Trustee Fenton: as we go through this process.

[1:50:01] Trustee Fenton: Obviously this inclusion of the regional planning committees

[1:50:05] Trustee Fenton: would be a wise step in my mind.

[1:50:10] Trustee Fenton: And sort of add to that overall umbrella of information.

[1:50:17] Trustee Fenton: I think the, I interpret the shoreline

[1:50:20] Trustee Fenton: and coastal marine shorelines to be

[1:50:25] Trustee Fenton: basically, you know, low, the low, low water to the up to the

[1:50:32] Trustee Fenton: upland impacted waters, you know, are bland above the actual

[1:50:38] Trustee Fenton: shoreline where we live on. And the piece of this that came to

[1:50:45] Trustee Fenton: my mind is sort of and Patrick, you sort of hit on sort of what

[1:50:50] Trustee Fenton: are we trying to accomplish? One of the things that comes back to

[1:50:54] Trustee Fenton: me is sort of how do we or is there an opportunity for us to look at in upland impacts beyond the

[1:51:01] Trustee Fenton: actual lot per se sort of more looking at watersheds at a regional and a you know provincial

[1:51:08] Trustee Fenton: scale so when we look at impacts on feed is sort of what have we looked at where the water is coming

[1:51:15] Trustee Fenton: from in the watershed that is connected and plays um an inter you know has an interconnectedness

[1:51:23] Trustee Fenton: that has been ignored to date.

[1:51:26] Trustee Fenton: So my hope would be that our long-term goals would be

[1:51:30] Trustee Fenton: that we would have a layer that actually considers that.

[1:51:33] Trustee Fenton: There would be information, planning information

[1:51:36] Trustee Fenton: that would influence future development down the road.

[1:51:39] Trustee Fenton: They actually considered these,

[1:51:42] Trustee Fenton: not just the microscopic quarter acre lot,

[1:51:45] Trustee Fenton: but unless she looks at a whole bigger picture

[1:51:48] Trustee Fenton: here um with that would have she have a cultural overlay they would look at it in the same fashion

[1:51:56] Trustee Fenton: so somebody uses more hill as a site as a burial site many years ago you know there was a route

[1:52:04] Trustee Fenton: to that point there was ceremony there was connection and interconnectedness with the

[1:52:08] Trustee Fenton: shoreline um so how does that play what are the potentials beyond the current database which is

[1:52:17] Trustee Fenton: is pretty lacking.

[1:52:20] Trustee Fenton: It's growing, I'm sure, but it's currently lacking

[1:52:23] Trustee Fenton: as it's demonstrated throughout the trust area.

[1:52:28] Trustee Fenton: Constant discoveries of ancestors

[1:52:32] Trustee Fenton: and other cultural significant events

[1:52:37] Trustee Fenton: and or things of the past that have been undisclosed

[1:52:41] Trustee Fenton: and are not in a database somewhere for us to sort of

[1:52:44] Trustee Fenton: predict so whatever we create needs to be looking sort of at that more openly and less you know

[1:52:54] Trustee Fenton: and not in a what

[1:52:57] Voice 11: would you call

[1:52:57] Trustee Fenton: it i like the idea like we have created sort of like a response

[1:53:02] Trustee Fenton: team or committee of people to deal with some of these issues when they come up but it would be

[1:53:08] Trustee Fenton: nice to be for that whole direction to be looking at this in a more positive light in this almost

[1:53:15] Trustee Fenton: like an exploratory light so that as we learn more and we build relationships with our

[1:53:25] Trustee Fenton: ancestors of the past their communities actually we can actually have open discussion and discovery

[1:53:33] Trustee Fenton: as opposed to thinking okay we're going to build this basement quickly before we

[1:53:38] Trustee Fenton: come up with any discoveries as a you know we should be looking at it from the whole

[1:53:43] Trustee Fenton: old thing of saying okay so who has been here before why were they here what was their purpose

[1:53:49] Trustee Fenton: um and gain a better understanding so that as this journey moves forward um it's not as

[1:53:57] Trustee Fenton: threatening to the residents um and they are part of that conversation if that makes any sense um

[1:54:06] Trustee Fenton: i i like what's been done i think that we can expand on them and there's some little things

[1:54:13] Trustee Fenton: with respect to the Keats project. Once again, proactive small pieces such as anchorages,

[1:54:22] Trustee Fenton: let's be proactive and have eelgrass friendly. So either not parking in eelgrass or using

[1:54:29] Trustee Fenton: the floating chain style of anchors so that we have eelgrass that's healthier. Doing proactive

[1:54:38] Trustee Fenton: active in our in our administration of those areas of permitting of those things and I'll

[1:54:47] Trustee Fenton: leave it there. Oh

[1:54:49] Trustee Patrick: it's exciting Doug I'm so glad to have another systems thinker you're bringing

[1:54:55] Trustee Patrick: up some exciting work that's also that Salt Springs started they started the work with the

[1:55:01] Trustee Patrick: Coastal Douglas Fir and one of the interesting things that they did was they started layering

[1:55:07] Trustee Patrick: up the maps and waiting for the results of that and they're also working with the UBC's

[1:55:14] Trustee Patrick: conservation lab on on that and because that is an interesting thing when we start to look at our

[1:55:19] Trustee Patrick: watershed and we start to look at our sensitive ecosystems on top of that and you add the layer

[1:55:24] Trustee Patrick: of the the heritage mapping to that you really start to look at things in a different way and

[1:55:31] Trustee Patrick: and I think that you're you're kind of you know and then you're saying then the interface is

[1:55:37] Trustee Patrick: as it moves into the shoreline.

[1:55:39] Trustee Patrick: So it's very different from just saying shoreline protection,

[1:55:45] Trustee Patrick: but it is a very informative way of looking at it.

[1:55:49] Trustee Patrick: And it's going to be interesting.

[1:55:51] Trustee Patrick: We're just at the beginning of starting that conversation

[1:55:53] Trustee Patrick: on Salt Spring with the public and see how does that,

[1:55:59] Trustee Patrick: this is a different way of looking at things.

[1:56:02] Trustee Patrick: So like I said, layer them up, very interesting.

[1:56:07] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Lockham, got you thinking on that?

[1:56:10] Trustee Luckham: Well, yeah, no, I'm actually just going back to our projects list that was ably compiled by Heather there for our last meeting, just to see where it was that island-wide watershed protection is.

[1:56:23] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, that's on our list.

[1:56:26] Trustee Luckham: But when I go to the section that is shoreline protection, indeed, we've already used the word coastal shoreline protection.

[1:56:35] Trustee Luckham: And I think we also suggested, as noted here, that we embrace the Coastal Douglas Fir and

[1:56:42] Trustee Luckham: Associated Island Toolkit.

[1:56:45] Trustee Luckham: And, of course, Doug brought up previously the Couch and Valley Regional Districts Bylaw

[1:56:50] Trustee Luckham: 2500, Section 20.3, Ocean Shoreline Protection Development Permit Area.

[1:56:55] Trustee Luckham: So, indeed, we need to find a way to work on, inform all of these considerations in this work to get the best understanding of how it is that we can create opportunities for the protection of these values.

[1:57:24] Trustee Luckham: So, yeah, it's a matter of determining how we pull this off, mostly.

[1:57:30] Trustee Luckham: But I think there was some questions there that staff had about short-term and long-term.

[1:57:37] Trustee Luckham: I'm certainly happy to wait for some of the other work to evolve.

[1:57:43] Trustee Luckham: But I think I'd come back to if we're now in a place where we've got some resources,

[1:57:49] Trustee Luckham: resources ability to start doing some work, I would like to start to have that conversation

[1:57:55] Trustee Luckham: within the community in terms of letting the community know what we know and what the scope

[1:58:02] Trustee Luckham: has been captured here is what the scope of this work might be without terrifying or frightening

[1:58:08] Trustee Luckham: people. Because what's important is that we put some tools in place in order to help manage

[1:58:17] Trustee Luckham: some of the impacts that we see every day especially in the present land exchange climate

[1:58:26] Trustee Luckham: that we're in at the moment with new people coming in all the time and wanting to actively

[1:58:33] Trustee Luckham: start pursuing development in a situation that is vulnerable so i'd like to see some protection

[1:58:40] Trustee Luckham: action um

[1:58:45] Trustee Patrick: if you talk about peter you've mentioned a couple times having that dialogue with with the

[1:58:50] Trustee Patrick: community are you thinking more along the lines of kind of a strategic planning kind of conversation

[1:58:58] Trustee Patrick: or are you thinking of a more um focused conversation i

[1:59:04] Trustee Luckham: think strategic you know from

[1:59:07] Trustee Luckham: from our perspective anyway, have a strategic planning process to figure out how it is that

[1:59:14] Trustee Luckham: we're going to do this and share our thoughts about all of these components to start getting

[1:59:26] Trustee Luckham: people thinking about what it is that we're wanting to accomplish here. So there's definitely

[1:59:32] Trustee Luckham: a strategic element to it yeah yeah

[1:59:35] Trustee Patrick: i note that uh director smith just uh reminded that the uh

[1:59:39] Trustee Patrick: the the ocean protection bylaw is uh not applicable to the gulf islands and i think that

[1:59:43] Trustee Patrick: it was i think they're just saying it was interesting

[1:59:47] Trustee Patrick: something to look at yeah

[1:59:49] Trustee Luckham: no just another reference as many of the other ltcs that do have

[1:59:54] Trustee Luckham: shoreline protection measures in place um and other jurisdictions just a local jurisdiction

[2:00:00] Trustee Luckham: that has their own measures.

[2:00:03] Trustee Luckham: And it's interesting, when we talked about doing shoreline development permits before,

[2:00:08] Trustee Luckham: it was actually raised at the time from some boaters that had circled around Thetis Island,

[2:00:16] Trustee Luckham: and then they went over and traveled the shoreline of the regional district

[2:00:21] Trustee Luckham: and said that there's far more development going on on the shoreline on the other side of the pond

[2:00:30] Trustee Luckham: than there is here. Why are we worried? And so, indeed, that's why the bylaws now exist there over

[2:00:38] Trustee Luckham: on that side of the pond and why we should be considering similar actions here. Because

[2:00:45] Trustee Luckham: because it's one of those things, once it's gone,

[2:00:49] Trustee Luckham: you can't bring it back, seems to me.

[2:00:52] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Fenton, did you want to speak?

[2:00:55] Trustee Patrick: You're muted.

[2:00:59] Trustee Fenton: Yes, question for Jamie with respect

[2:01:02] Trustee Fenton: to the thing that just came up was, okay,

[2:01:04] Trustee Fenton: she made a note of the fact

[2:01:07] Trustee Fenton: that there was no Green Shores conversation,

[2:01:10] Trustee Fenton: and why was that with the Keats Island?

[2:01:13] Trustee Fenton: Island is there any sort of some history or um help me understand why that was not going to be

[2:01:22] Trustee Fenton: part of the education process for the public so

[2:01:27] Voice 6: um we can hear you now okay thanks um so Gambier

[2:01:36] Voice 6: was um actually a part of the Green Shores the local government working group that um worked

[2:01:41] Voice 6: with Green Shores and they did have workshops but I'm I can't off the top of my head I can't

[2:01:49] Voice 6: remember it was Keats but I know there was one on Thornham being one in Gambier but that became just

[2:01:54] Voice 6: an education piece and that was one option presented to the community and to the local

[2:01:58] Voice 6: trust committee at the beginning of the project and you know there are some there's draft bylaws

[2:02:07] Voice 6: as for the shoreline DPA for Keats

[2:02:11] Voice 6: that do incorporate Green Shores recommended guidelines,

[2:02:15] Voice 6: that sort of thing.

[2:02:16] Voice 6: So, you know, there is some opportunity to incorporate

[2:02:19] Voice 6: the Green Shores method through a DPA.

[2:02:25] Voice 6: Yeah, and then again, always there's the advocacy

[2:02:28] Voice 6: and education to the community as well.

[2:02:31] Trustee Fenton: But that still stands as an option or as a potential.

[2:02:35] Trustee Fenton: Yeah,

[2:02:35] Voice 6: yes, exactly.

[2:02:37] Voice 6: there

[2:02:37] Trustee Fenton: was no there was no pushback it was just that it wasn't part of the sort of current planning

[2:02:43] Voice 6: um well so the ltc um i mean yeah fully they support the green shores but ultimately they

[2:02:52] Voice 6: were interested in introducing regulatory tools at this point yeah so yeah does that does that answer

[2:03:00] Trustee Fenton: yeah no that's fine i just was wondering if it was pushback or whatever just that it hasn't

[2:03:05] Trustee Fenton: fit this doesn't fit in a puzzle at this point in time but the concept is still acceptable yeah

[2:03:11] Trustee Fenton: thanks yeah

[2:03:12] Trustee Patrick: trustee luckham yeah

[2:03:15] Trustee Luckham: just thanks for the reminder about the green shores um certainly

[2:03:18] Trustee Luckham: the green shores fetus was a pilot project with the provincial initiative on that whole green

[2:03:24] Trustee Luckham: shores thing which came out of the u.s um originally and there's that beautiful document

[2:03:30] Trustee Luckham: and factors I haven't seen lately that embraces all of those Green Shores principles. That would

[2:03:37] Trustee Luckham: be something worth circulating in this discussion. And so that sort of happened at the same time we

[2:03:45] Trustee Luckham: were doing our OCP work, if I remember rightly. And one of the best things that we did in that

[2:03:50] Trustee Luckham: Green Shores thing was engaged with the contractors and the builders and hosted a lunch and hosted a

[2:03:57] Trustee Luckham: workshop about thinking about those things and indeed at the time that was

[2:04:02] Trustee Luckham: really kind of embraced by that the builders and the contractors and I

[2:04:09] Trustee Luckham: think maybe we lost a bit of momentum there that was initiated because it

[2:04:14] Trustee Luckham: wasn't any follow through and so somehow we need to pick up that thread and

[2:04:20] Trustee Luckham: indeed get those folks involved in this but I know there were two projects on

[2:04:26] Trustee Luckham: Thetis, one being, and Doug, I actually think you've been involved in that, was the one with

[2:04:31] Trustee Luckham: the cemetery and the restoration of the shoreline there, which was being eroded by the tide and the

[2:04:36] Trustee Luckham: ferry wash and all the rest of it. And then the other one was the work along on the Cairncross

[2:04:45] Trustee Luckham: property at the south end of the island. And there was never, it seems to me, and perhaps

[2:04:54] Trustee Luckham: Perhaps, Marnie, you might recall, Jamie, I'm not sure that you were involved in it at that time, there was no sort of final report on that housing, that house development project where they embraced that Green Shores practices to protect their shoreline, which anecdotally, I've spoken with the property owner, and it was very successful.

[2:05:16] Trustee Luckham: Well, in fact, for all of the reasons that are talked about in the Green Shores documentation

[2:05:20] Trustee Luckham: about saltwater spray, damage to the home, the shoreline being integral, and all those

[2:05:27] Trustee Luckham: sorts of things.

[2:05:28] Trustee Luckham: And it would be nice to actually, even at this point in time, although it's a number

[2:05:33] Trustee Luckham: of years ago now, to actually celebrate that success.

[2:05:36] Trustee Luckham: And again, use that as a local example, also along with the cemetery work, the planting

[2:05:42] Trustee Luckham: and the restoration that's going on there.

[2:05:44] Trustee Luckham: use that as examples about how we can approach these things in very different ways and so we

[2:05:51] Trustee Luckham: have some local success to leverage there I think and it wouldn't be hard to the same contractors

[2:05:57] Trustee Luckham: and builders are still here

[2:05:58] Voice 3: all

[2:06:05] Trustee Patrick: right trustees we're not narrowing this conversation much we're

[2:06:09] Trustee Patrick: having a conversation which is good to have um um you know i'm i'm here go ahead trustee fenton

[2:06:19] Trustee Fenton: yeah just the other point just with uh now same or similar point but it was the uh regarding to

[2:06:25] Trustee Fenton: the bc government's got uh their sort of um got here they have a sort of a best practices document

[2:06:36] Trustee Fenton: that's dated 2010 or something like that.

[2:06:39] Trustee Fenton: And it's all freshwater focused.

[2:06:42] Trustee Fenton: The Green Shores documents are very current.

[2:06:46] Trustee Fenton: They've just published their latest sort of update

[2:06:49] Trustee Fenton: to that original document is 2020.

[2:06:53] Trustee Fenton: So, or June, 2020.

[2:06:55] Trustee Fenton: So using a lot of BC based examples, obviously,

[2:07:00] Trustee Fenton: but with the same program that came out of the American

[2:07:05] Trustee Fenton: or south of the 49th but it's i think that that is a great tool like once again it's up to date

[2:07:12] Trustee Fenton: it's contemporary there's some big successes in vancouver and other places where you know

[2:07:17] Trustee Fenton: they've now got things that we can actually use or reflect on um as being you know as opportunities

[2:07:25] Trustee Fenton: positive nuances um and it's just a matter of really it's just you like i'm pointing you know

[2:07:32] Trustee Fenton: you know, just re-engaging or putting that back on the floor for discussion.

[2:07:36] Trustee Fenton: I believe they still would show up and do free workshops here on the Level 1

[2:07:41] Trustee Fenton: with some planning efforts put into that once COVID lets us see people face-to-face.

[2:07:48] Trustee Patrick: Can I ask a couple of silly questions?

[2:07:51] Trustee Patrick: Because I am not that familiar with Thetis, I have to admit.

[2:07:56] Trustee Patrick: Is there a great deal of potential, development potential,

[2:07:59] Trustee Patrick: especially along the shorelines, are still available on Thetis or not?

[2:08:07] Trustee Fenton: And erosion happening just because of coastal systems.

[2:08:17] Trustee Patrick: Do you have further subdivision potential or undeveloped lots

[2:08:23] Trustee Patrick: that are currently still along your shoreline?

[2:08:27] Trustee Luckham: Well, I think undeveloped lots is certainly one aspect.

[2:08:33] Trustee Luckham: And then the other aspect, which we're actually seeing more of, is older cabins and homes that are on existing developed lots are being bought and being completely rebuilt.

[2:08:48] Trustee Luckham: built and so there's um opportunity to um provide what you will you know if you can imagine a small

[2:08:56] Trustee Luckham: lot on a waterfront with a week with a cabin that was used on a weekend basis is now uh being

[2:09:02] Trustee Luckham: supplanted with um with a larger home and and the supporting infrastructure including docks and

[2:09:10] Trustee Luckham: seawalls and all kinds of potential so um it's not so much that there's a lot of undeveloped

[2:09:16] Trustee Luckham: lots but lots that will be redeveloped and there's certainly a few that are being developed

[2:09:21] Trustee Luckham: and I think maintenance and management of whatever existing infrastructure there just

[2:09:26] Trustee Luckham: needs to be done in a in a different way.

[2:09:29] Trustee Patrick: I can imagine because that's also happening

[2:09:32] Trustee Patrick: on all of our islands where a lot of our land use bylaws and so forth were put in place sort

[2:09:38] Trustee Patrick: of in the cottage era where people were building small you know cottages in these locations and

[2:09:45] Trustee Patrick: hadn't contemplated the fact that the value would become what it is and that houses are being you

[2:09:51] Trustee Patrick: know much larger houses um being built on those footprints so that's a that now look to heather

[2:09:57] Trustee Patrick: cower on that so if we're looking at that issue because that's that's an interesting one to dive

[2:10:01] Trustee Patrick: into um that's a different set of that's upland and setbacks and other other things that would

[2:10:10] Trustee Patrick: be applied do you want maybe talk about that for a moment yeah i

[2:10:15] Trustee Patrick: mean you're on the spot

[2:10:15] Voice 5: sorry that's

[2:10:16] Voice 5: okay i mean um the zoning that the zoning that i talked about in my report is upland zone you know

[2:10:23] Voice 5: it's properties that are adjacent to the water and um development permit areas the one that's being

[2:10:30] Voice 5: developed for keats is along the shoreline it is properties that are adjacent to the water it's

[2:10:34] Voice 5: not anything further back than that right so it's everything along the shoreline but

[2:10:39] Voice 5: And maybe I'm going to ramble a little bit here, but what I hear sort of emerging is this question of what are the impacts?

[2:10:49] Voice 5: You know, what is the potential for build out along the shoreline?

[2:10:55] Voice 5: Gabriela, at the moment, has as one of the elements of their housing project is a build out map.

[2:11:02] Voice 5: So, you know, under the current zoning, what could you build?

[2:11:06] Voice 5: What could be built?

[2:11:07] Voice 5: What's the intensity of, of, of build out of your current zoning, uh, bylaw?

[2:11:14] Voice 5: Um, and what does it look like with or without a development permit area, for instance, um,

[2:11:20] Voice 5: is, is information that you can have and, and maybe, um, you know, if you're, if you're

[2:11:27] Voice 5: trying to figure out what your problem statement is, you start with that kind of data, um,

[2:11:31] Voice 5: so that you know what what needs to get fixed or or prevented if that's where you're going

[2:11:37] Voice 5: looks like Marnie has an idea Marnie

[2:11:42] Planner Eggen: through the chair I just wanted to mention that Thetis does

[2:11:47] Planner Eggen: have have a potential build out development potential map from 2009 so that was the most

[2:11:57] Planner Eggen: most recently updated development potential map that we have and it is under resources

[2:12:04] Planner Eggen: under the Thetis Local Trust Committee web page on the Islands Trust website.

[2:12:10] Planner Eggen: And I just wanted to mention that R1 and R2, there's a development potential of an additional,

[2:12:26] Planner Eggen: at the time in 2009 an additional uh potential for additional lots of 113

[2:12:36] Planner Eggen: um and but it doesn't specifically talk about which lots are on the waterfront i just wanted

[2:12:51] Planner Eggen: to point that out but it is something that um maybe as a part of the project the development

[2:12:59] Planner Eggen: potential map could be updated if that was helpful in the discussion well

[2:13:04] Trustee Patrick: this is very helpful um

[2:13:06] Trustee Patrick: and i should again we had a good conversation and i think you were there heather at the regional

[2:13:11] Trustee Patrick: planning committee um sort of trying to help with the regional the local planning services renewal

[2:13:17] Trustee Patrick: and one of the things we talked about is there's four phases to planning there's the pre-planning

[2:13:22] Trustee Patrick: planning implementation and then monitoring evaluation and the pre-planning is about the

[2:13:27] Trustee Patrick: the problem definition. And that's what we're talking about. What's the problem and what are

[2:13:30] Trustee Patrick: we trying to solve it? And I think it's important to note, and I don't know if Doug, I know you've

[2:13:35] Trustee Patrick: seen it, Trustee Luckham, there's a letter from the LAACs and First Nation, and it was in regard

[2:13:43] Trustee Patrick: to a number of projects, they'd received a number of referrals on a number of pre-planning projects,

[2:13:48] Trustee Patrick: and they requested involvement in the problem identification concept and solution design.

[2:13:54] Trustee Patrick: And I thought that's pre-planning. That's having a good conversation at the pre-planning phase, not just amongst ourselves, our community, but also with the First Nations as we define what the problem is that we're trying to solve. And having this information that we're talking about, I think it's very important. Trustee Fenton, I see your hands up.

[2:14:14] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[2:14:16] Trustee Fenton: just to that note, I think that's the problem definition, or how do we do things concurrently, right?

[2:14:30] Trustee Fenton: And so what are, and it's mentioned where the HCA or the Heritage Alteration Permit or the Conservation Act is underused.

[2:14:43] Trustee Fenton: used my question to this conversation or put out to the conversation is are there opportunities

[2:14:50] Trustee Fenton: where even if we haven't passed a specific bylaw but can we somehow increase the awareness and

[2:14:58] Trustee Fenton: the use of what exists um with this this act well we have this conversation because this may take

[2:15:08] Trustee Fenton: us a couple years to get there meanwhile we've taken our 400 square foot cabins and turned them

[2:15:13] Trustee Fenton: into 4,000 to 6,000 square foot houses, with consequences that we haven't heard of any

[2:15:23] Trustee Fenton: on Thetis per se, but other islands coastline have had issues with digging and disturbing

[2:15:30] Trustee Fenton: of ancestors.

[2:15:31] Trustee Fenton: So are there potential ways or strategies, until we figure out where our end point is,

[2:15:39] Trustee Fenton: uh that we can somehow put this uh vhca up on the table and part of our day-to-day conversation

[2:15:48] Trustee Fenton: with anybody who's doing any form of building um interim

[2:15:55] Trustee Patrick: steps almost is what you're

[2:15:56] Trustee Patrick: asking is you know we know where we want to be down the road but what could we do

[2:16:01] Trustee Patrick: in the interim because i do know it is frustrating because where we have shoreline dpas in salt

[2:16:07] Trustee Patrick: Salt Springs, one of those, we can't do anything about First Nations protection within that,

[2:16:12] Trustee Patrick: because that's an ecosystem protection development permit area. And it's very frustrating when you're,

[2:16:19] Trustee Patrick: you know, you've got knowledge that there's a site nearby, yet, you know, there's nothing we can do

[2:16:24] Trustee Patrick: to impose requirements, you know, other than, did you call Heritage Branch? It seems, it does seem

[2:16:32] Trustee Patrick: week so is that what you're trying to get at uh trustee fenton is is there something in the

[2:16:38] Trustee Patrick: meantime that strengthens without well yeah

[2:16:43] Trustee Fenton: we don't have to go through the public system you

[2:16:46] Trustee Fenton: will eventually get to that at the end of the day it's this is a public system but you know

[2:16:50] Trustee Fenton: is this just something that we would just become as the planning planning planning people body

[2:16:58] Trustee Fenton: become more cognizant of how would we make this more sort of part of our day-to-day conversation

[2:17:03] Trustee Fenton: and not just referring or do we are we just stuck with it as it is and so we do something bigger

[2:17:10] Trustee Fenton: down the road or um the province actually steps up to the plate and puts more teeth into the act

[2:17:16] Trustee Fenton: itself uh open to you

[2:17:22] Trustee Patrick: know um howard i'm you i know you've got some recent experience with this

[2:17:26] Voice 5: on hornby and so

[2:17:27] Trustee Patrick: forth that maybe we could you could talk about yeah

[2:17:30] Voice 5: um so comox first nation

[2:17:34] Voice 5: has recently developed their own permitting process and we've kind of had a just made a

[2:17:42] Voice 5: an agreement with them a verbal agreement that we would start notifying them of all the permits we

[2:17:49] Voice 5: get on Hornby and and Denman and give them an opportunity to determine whether or not they

[2:17:57] Voice 5: think that permit triggers their own permitting system. And so that isn't part of a written

[2:18:06] Voice 5: protocol agreement at the moment, but there are talks about developing or enhancing, I can't

[2:18:15] Voice 5: remember, there's several protocol agreements that we have with First Nations, and some of them are

[2:18:21] Voice 5: still sort of in a developmental stage, right? I think Comox is one of those that we've been

[2:18:26] Voice 5: talking about doing that with um but but for gabriola let's say um we have building permit

[2:18:35] Voice 5: referral so the regional district of nanaimo sends us building permits and we actually have

[2:18:41] Voice 5: an opportunity to say to the regional district hey you know we think there's a archaeological

[2:18:46] Voice 5: issue here you might want to know you might want to um do something about that um and the regional

[2:18:55] Voice 5: district has decided that if someone needs an ARC permit, they won't accept a building permit

[2:19:02] Voice 5: application until they have a copy of that ARC permit in hand with their building permit package,

[2:19:08] Voice 5: right? So there are lots of little ways. I mean, right now, we don't have a protocol agreement

[2:19:14] Voice 5: with CVRD, and we don't do building permit referral with CVRD. But both of those things

[2:19:21] Voice 5: could be opportunities for us to communicate with them about their processes and trigger

[2:19:28] Voice 5: like individual site review. There's lots of different ways that we're trying to do things

[2:19:35] Voice 5: that aren't necessarily regulatory, if that makes any sense. There's, yeah.

[2:19:41] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:19:42] Trustee Fenton: As we learn what they're, as we move through this process.

[2:19:46] Trustee Fenton: sense right i

[2:19:51] Trustee Patrick: think the conversations i know with trustee luckham and i have had some and been part

[2:19:57] Trustee Patrick: of some of the conversations i've attended some of the comox meetings the shoreline and development

[2:20:02] Trustee Patrick: in the shoreline is a big deal and a huge concern to the first nations

[2:20:07] Voice 5: and the biggest problem

[2:20:11] Voice 5: the controversy the latest controversy on hornby um part of the part of the problem there is the

[2:20:19] Voice 5: zoning on the property the zoning at the thatch pub allows for building right up to it's a zero

[2:20:26] Voice 5: setback from the natural boundary and um and and and so that's part of why i say in my report that

[2:20:34] Voice 5: one of one of the strongest powers that the ltc has is their zoning um and you can do a lot with

[2:20:41] Voice 5: it without needing a development permit area or a heritage conservation area permit you know

[2:20:47] Voice 5: of really looking at your zoning is a it's not a bad idea I

[2:21:00] Trustee Patrick: said this is the pre-planning

[2:21:07] Trustee Patrick: phase is is a good place to linger and think and ask for information and anyway trustee Luckham

[2:21:15] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[2:21:17] Trustee Luckham: I'm just thinking about what Heather said there and the significance of that and you know

[2:21:24] Trustee Luckham: Using that as an example, of course, what exists on that property through zoning, although you might rezone it, it's not going to change the existing uses on that property.

[2:21:39] Trustee Luckham: They just become legal nonconforming.

[2:21:42] Trustee Luckham: And so, you know, there's some other challenges around zoning.

[2:21:49] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, it's the most powerful tool, but in the absence of historic weaknesses in the zoning or the development of property as a result of historic zoning, I think we're trying to compensate for that with development permit areas by saying, well, this is what your zoning is, but if you want to do this in this area that we've now identified as being special, that you need to apply for a permit with this.

[2:22:15] Trustee Luckham: And I think that that actually ties in nicely with the cultural heritage site permitting process that FOMOX is bringing in.

[2:22:25] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, it would be wonderful to actually see something like that being instituted with other nations.

[2:22:34] Trustee Luckham: um um and then of course acknowledged and recognized as a supported supportable

[2:22:41] Trustee Luckham: process through our legislation and through the provincial legislation

[2:22:46] Trustee Luckham: um because i'm not 100 sure how that gets played out um but um i want to come to understand

[2:22:56] Trustee Luckham: whether changing the zoning retroactively

[2:23:01] Trustee Luckham: is going to make a difference in the long run

[2:23:06] Trustee Luckham: other than get a lot of people upset

[2:23:07] Trustee Luckham: about changing the value of their property

[2:23:10] Trustee Luckham: because now it's legally non-conforming.

[2:23:12] Trustee Luckham: That's always been an issue

[2:23:14] Trustee Luckham: despite the fact that it's not relevant

[2:23:17] Trustee Luckham: compared to development permit area levels of regulation.

[2:23:26] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think this is we're back to the same. What are we trying to achieve? You know, what is it that you're concerned about and what is it you're trying to achieve? And then the tools become more obvious if we can be clear as to what it is we're concerned about. And if we don't have enough information, then it's requesting information and about learning more about our concern to be able to define it better.

[2:23:56] Trustee Luckham: So if I answered that question, and I did reflect on that earlier when that came up,

[2:24:04] Trustee Luckham: and I think it dovetails into some of the things that we're talking about,

[2:24:08] Trustee Luckham: my immediate concerns are indeed that shoreline upland development that's going on because it

[2:24:19] Trustee Luckham: It is degrading the marine environment and degrading the coastal Douglas fir and the

[2:24:25] Trustee Luckham: habitats along the shoreline and seems to be the most desirable properties to develop

[2:24:32] Trustee Luckham: and has the greatest vulnerability with the lack of management.

[2:24:40] Trustee Luckham: So I think that what I want to be able to engage in is the management of those properties

[2:24:46] Trustee Luckham: as they're being developed to ensure that we don't continue to lose postal douglas fir we don't

[2:24:54] Trustee Luckham: continue to compromise my my eelgrass or archaeological sites absolutely um or and or

[2:25:01] Trustee Luckham: shellfish um and anything else that you can put your finger on that has an intimate relation

[2:25:08] Trustee Luckham: symbiotic relationship between the land and the water um and then indeed as doug has pointed out

[2:25:15] Trustee Luckham: we need to think about the contributing factors from either in further upland properties but i

[2:25:20] Trustee Luckham: do see that a watershed is maybe a slightly different thing than the shoreline development

[2:25:27] Trustee Luckham: and and to me it's the shoreline and the upland immediately upland waterfront properties what

[2:25:34] Trustee Luckham: setbacks are all those sorts of things what is allowed because presently it's a pretty open

[2:25:41] Trustee Luckham: and so

[2:25:44] Trustee Patrick: is that are we are we kind of coming in on a first question of sort of like what is

[2:25:48] Trustee Patrick: you know kind of up fresh of the potential and then what are the current uh what's what's allowed

[2:25:55] Trustee Patrick: because you do you probably have more than one zone in the in on your shorelines or well you

[2:26:03] Trustee Luckham: know that's another question out beyond the the high water mark certainly we made attempts at

[2:26:12] Trustee Luckham: zoning. And we do have several different ones of those. But again, those zonings are pretty

[2:26:21] Trustee Luckham: vague. It allows mooring buoys and those sorts of things. I'm more concerned about the land

[2:26:28] Trustee Luckham: base because we are a land use planning agency where those land developments and that's,

[2:26:36] Trustee Luckham: you know, yeah. No,

[2:26:39] Trustee Patrick: that was my question. I meant on your, you know, what type of zoning

[2:26:42] Trustee Patrick: you have on the land around there do you have more than well

[2:26:48] Trustee Luckham: there is some but mostly it's

[2:26:51] Trustee Luckham: pretty homogenous it's rural r1 there are some r2 uh

[2:27:00] Voice 5: heather yeah i mean so as i as i listen i

[2:27:04] Voice 5: wonder if a if it wouldn't help to have some data collection um to start with um so the build-out map

[2:27:15] Voice 5: and the zoning and kind of what the what the regulatory scheme is at the moment on that

[2:27:22] Voice 5: yeah and and then use that data to to then decide what your project ultimately is what needs to

[2:27:31] Voice 5: happen um that

[2:27:32] Voice 5: okay that is still so i mean we would probably still call that a project and

[2:27:39] Voice 5: still bring a project charter and that sort of thing but i i'm seeing that as sort of a

[2:27:44] Voice 5: a starting point yeah

[2:27:47] Trustee Patrick: because I think it's okay to have a project that you're you just

[2:27:50] Trustee Patrick: just define phase one which is a data collection phase to me that would be accurate and

[2:27:56] Trustee Patrick: and very open and transparent that's more transparent with First Nations as well because

[2:28:02] Trustee Patrick: you're not deciding yet you're still in that problem definition phase right trustee Fenton

[2:28:11] Trustee Patrick: you had your hand raised yeah

[2:28:12] Trustee Fenton: I got two things one thing you just came to mind was the your

[2:28:15] Trustee Fenton: mentioning the first nation so part of this is so how do we bring and i've had this discussion with

[2:28:22] Trustee Fenton: the elders uh uh penelope augie sylvester and uh ken thoms who are also looking at how do we

[2:28:32] Trustee Fenton: get them to be part like is there an ad hoc committee is there some other sort of

[2:28:37] Trustee Fenton: outside of just the formal referral system how do we engage them in this conversation earlier

[2:28:42] Trustee Fenton: what tools or how do we bring them into that conversation outside of a letter

[2:28:49] Trustee Fenton: that gets sent off by the planners once we're well into things how you know how

[2:28:55] Trustee Fenton: do we break down those barriers how did become part of this conversation to I

[2:29:04] Trustee Fenton: I was trying to think, how do we measure the impact of converting our 400-square-foot cabin into a 4,000-square-foot cabin under our current bylaws that allow this to happen, provided they don't move off the footprint or whatever?

[2:29:26] Trustee Fenton: So how are we able to measure that?

[2:29:28] Trustee Fenton: I mean, to my side, I see there's no way that all of this concrete can come to Thetis Island on a ferry as it does without it having an impact because it's filling a hole somewhere.

[2:29:42] Trustee Fenton: So all of these things they're building with concrete, there's been excavations and after excavation after excavation with little thought necessarily being put into outside of our conventional building requirements, right?

[2:29:59] Trustee Fenton: because I

[2:30:00] Trustee Fenton: the paradigm we're working from this current colonial building styles that are just totally

[2:30:06] Trustee Fenton: off track with everything else so um are we able to given what we know today come to understand or

[2:30:18] Trustee Fenton: better understand what those impacts are because there's the penelakut people are constantly

[2:30:25] Trustee Fenton: amazed in our concrete come over and they're just waiting for thetis to disappear they keep on

[2:30:31] Trustee Fenton: thinking it's no longer going to be able to stay afloat because there's so much concrete being

[2:30:35] Trustee Fenton: poured on the island and it just goes like it's just year-round concrete so what kind of impacts

[2:30:42] Trustee Fenton: are we having in these enlargements you know these current buildings being built are we able to

[2:30:50] Trustee Fenton: assess that or maybe we can't i'm

[2:30:53] Trustee Patrick: wondering i mean there's two things we're salt spring we're

[2:30:57] Trustee Patrick: doing the community community and we were successful in the funding through the UBCM

[2:31:00] Trustee Patrick: it's minor dollars but at least it's a formal process to have a dialogue I think of what's

[2:31:08] Trustee Patrick: happening with Comox in the referral process and the CVRD referral so to me there's a couple of

[2:31:14] Trustee Patrick: different things happening one we need more information to continue to define the problem

[2:31:19] Trustee Patrick: but we also you know there is that urgency of of concern of of you currently don't have a referral

[2:31:27] Trustee Patrick: process for the building permits and that maybe instead of just producing the you know a referral

[2:31:36] Trustee Patrick: process for islands trust that we look at trying to do something unique and different maybe with

[2:31:42] Trustee Patrick: first nations right off the start i saw heather raise your hand yeah

[2:31:45] Voice 5: sorry marnie corrected me

[2:31:47] Voice 5: we do actually have a building permit referral process with CVRD at the moment. We do.

[2:31:53] Voice 5: I'm glad

[2:31:54] Trustee Luckham: Marnie pointed that out.

[2:31:55] Voice 5: I know. Thank you, Marnie.

[2:31:59] Voice 5: Yeah, I mean, I think as part of developing a project charter, we could definitely be talking

[2:32:04] Voice 5: to Lisa about her ideas about how to get First Nations involved in the beginning of this process,

[2:32:10] Voice 5: you know as we're developing the data and when we have data to share that kind of thing but

[2:32:18] Voice 5: but definitely I can speak with Lisa about that

[2:32:22] Trustee Patrick: but I also see if there's potential opportunity

[2:32:27] Trustee Patrick: for something similar from what Comox is doing for for Penelope because it's maybe yeah I

[2:32:36] Trustee Luckham: I, Doug used the word barriers, I certainly, and certainly there are barriers that we put

[2:32:43] Trustee Luckham: in the way of things, our own personal points of view, even to some extent, but what I'd

[2:32:51] Trustee Luckham: like to, I'd like to characterize it as looking for opportunities, rather than trying to get

[2:32:57] Trustee Luckham: around barriers, but what opportunities can we create to have that conversation and that

[2:33:02] Trustee Luckham: dialogue, because it's a, you know, and the trouble is, realistically, it's a pretty serious

[2:33:08] Trustee Luckham: commitment in order to meet on a regular basis, go over draft ideas, develop plans. You know,

[2:33:15] Trustee Luckham: it's a big pot of soup we're cooking here. And indeed, the conversation, as great as it was at

[2:33:22] Trustee Luckham: the CTC with Salt Spring, it was just the beginning. And how do we continue to maintain

[2:33:29] Trustee Luckham: that and keep that going, especially when we, and we'll call it a barrier, is the number of

[2:33:39] Trustee Luckham: referrals that we're sending to First Nations becomes a barrier in order to allow them to be

[2:33:44] Trustee Luckham: able to process them in due course and respectfully when they don't have the capacity. And so it's

[2:33:53] Trustee Luckham: It's great that Comox, that's on the verge of getting treaty status there, that has the

[2:34:04] Trustee Luckham: resources in the economies and the opportunities, financial and otherwise, to be able to do

[2:34:10] Trustee Luckham: this great work, because this is something that they did because they just felt it was

[2:34:14] Trustee Luckham: necessary.

[2:34:15] Trustee Luckham: How is it that opportunities like that can be created for Lax and Penelope, who are much

[2:34:20] Trustee Luckham: further away from that treaty process where those opportunities are there that they can start taking

[2:34:27] Trustee Luckham: more proactive action with respect to protecting what's important to them and provide us the

[2:34:35] Trustee Luckham: opportunity to support them and work with them. So, you know, these are really exciting times,

[2:34:42] Trustee Luckham: actually, in terms of the work that we're doing, working with nations. And in the meantime,

[2:34:51] Trustee Luckham: however, as Doug has pointed out, the concrete keeps coming. And so we need to figure out some

[2:34:58] Trustee Luckham: short term. And maybe I just need to change my timeline view here. Maybe short term is the next

[2:35:05] Trustee Luckham: hundred years and long-term is much longer. But how do we institute fixing some of the,

[2:35:18] Trustee Luckham: identifying what the long-term goals are, fixing the short-term problems in order to at least

[2:35:24] Trustee Luckham: preserve what we've got and then continue to protect it into the future rather than losing

[2:35:31] Trustee Luckham: what we've got and only being able to protect what's left because really we're in a what's left

[2:35:37] Trustee Luckham: globally we're in a what's left scenario and that's disturbing so

[2:35:43] Trustee Patrick: i'll look to um

[2:35:45] Trustee Patrick: planner cower there um regional planning manager cower too many words to say um so the item we have

[2:35:53] Trustee Patrick: coastal shoreline protection and we had the current activity of just sort of exploration um would you

[2:36:00] Trustee Patrick: you need a resolution to request a project charter for like a phase one further information

[2:36:07] Trustee Patrick: gathering? Is that what terms are you looking for? Yes, that would be

[2:36:13] Voice 5: request staff to develop a

[2:36:15] Voice 5: project charter for a phase. Yes, exactly what you said.

[2:36:18] Trustee Patrick: Phase one further information gathering,

[2:36:20] Trustee Patrick: something like that, or pre-planning or some word that makes sense. So trustees, what would you like

[2:36:26] Trustee Patrick: like to do well

[2:36:28] Trustee Luckham: i'll just chime in there i think this is really great because um i think we need

[2:36:32] Trustee Luckham: to have a common set of uh information that we have a a mutual understanding of what it is we

[2:36:40] Trustee Luckham: have and where it is the shortfalls are and where the opportunities are um in order to uh advance

[2:36:49] Trustee Luckham: so um i'm not totally sure what heather's looking for but that uh probably then emotion would sound

[2:36:57] Trustee Luckham: something like that the city side of the local trust committee requests staff to develop a

[2:37:01] Trustee Luckham: project charter for an information gathering phase of shoreline and coastal protection strategy

[2:37:12] Trustee Luckham: how's that great all

[2:37:15] Trustee Patrick: right trustee fenton before you second that i'm going to let

[2:37:21] Trustee Patrick: sarah sugar have a moment yeah fair enough

[2:37:23] Trustee Patrick: that's good and have her read back what she

[2:37:26] Trustee Patrick: has before you second that thank

[2:37:28] Voice 4: you chair patrick i can read that back okay please do

[2:37:32] Voice 4: that the thetis island local trust committee requests staff to develop a project charter

[2:37:37] Voice 4: for an information gathering phase of a shoreline and coastal protection strategy before that

[2:37:46] Trustee Luckham: seconded can i add to that it

[2:37:49] Trustee Patrick: hasn't been seconded

[2:37:50] Trustee Luckham: okay and including first nations engagement

[2:38:03] Voice 11: chair

[2:38:10] Voice 4: patrick would you like me to read that i'll

[2:38:12] Trustee Patrick: have you read that back okay

[2:38:14] Voice 4: the thetis

[2:38:15] Voice 4: island local trust committee requests staff to develop a project charter for an information

[2:38:21] Voice 4: gathering phase of a shoreline and coastal protection strategy that includes first

[2:38:27] Voice 4: nations engagement are

[2:38:30] Trustee Patrick: you satisfied with that uh it's that useful regional planning manager i'm

[2:38:36] Trustee Patrick: nods are you willing to second that uh trustee fenton yes

[2:38:40] Trustee Fenton: all

[2:38:41] Trustee Patrick: right is there any discussion

[2:38:43] Trustee Patrick: maybe

[2:38:46] Trustee Luckham: i'll just mention when i you know i realize that there's uh concerns broadly but when i speak

[2:38:54] Trustee Luckham: to uh first nations engagement i am thinking specifically about penelope and laxon i'm

[2:39:01] Trustee Luckham: thinking more broadly about Ximenes and Halalt, and then much more broadly the Cowichan and Nanaimo

[2:39:08] Trustee Luckham: and further out. But I think that the immediate priorities for me are those

[2:39:17] Trustee Luckham: nations that are residents of the area and have long, obviously historic interests in the area.

[2:39:28] Trustee Luckham: but that's in terms of priority that would be lax and penelicate or penelicate lax and and then

[2:39:34] Trustee Luckham: halal and germanus and then other nations expanding that circle out

[2:39:39] Trustee Patrick: trustee fenton did you yeah so

[2:39:42] Trustee Fenton: maybe the we'd have the penelicate lax and and the couch and alliance which includes those other

[2:39:49] Trustee Fenton: players including couching tribes but i'm just thinking only because that group as a working

[2:39:56] Trustee Fenton: group are meet regularly are fairly dynamic and you know they're able to figure out how to work

[2:40:03] Trustee Fenton: with that colonial mentality and um so that they maybe from that capacity side of things maybe

[2:40:10] Trustee Fenton: there'll be an opportunity for them to engage on behalf of and or you know along with penelakid

[2:40:19] Trustee Fenton: or lax and maybe struggling because they'll be at that meeting anyways or have somebody going

[2:40:23] Trustee Fenton: so there's opportunities if we were to look at it from that perspective um now with that

[2:40:32] Trustee Fenton: um i'm just thinking about this whole notion of this framework for these coastal projects

[2:40:39] Trustee Fenton: shoreline projects throughout the trust area that what i you know i really appreciated sort

[2:40:44] Trustee Fenton: of having that sort of what's happening in keats and we're you know so keeping that whole theme

[2:40:50] Trustee Fenton: while we develop this that you know we take from other places we're looking at dpas from places

[2:40:56] Trustee Fenton: that actually have dpas already um so we try to learn about what exists what where our weaknesses

[2:41:05] Trustee Fenton: are what you picked up or learn from the keats um project um to inform us in this project i think

[2:41:17] Trustee Patrick: Two things. One is, to me, the act of saying, okay, we're talking coastal shoreline and we're looking at a strategy and you also have your priority about relationship building with First Nations, that this is an opportunity to focus that conversation and get into that deeper in that area.

[2:41:40] Trustee Patrick: So I think that that's very useful. The second is, as we develop project charters and and I and whether or not we do it now or wait till a draft project charter is in front of us is to put some principles on the table.

[2:41:54] Trustee Patrick: And I think that would be helpful. And we did that there at Salt Spring. It was very helpful. And one of them would be, as we said, to acknowledge that we are a federation and that one of the principles is we want to share with, work with, learn from and collaborate with the other, you know, other work at the other local trust committees and the regional planning committee as work is developed because we want to keep this project not unique, but into that.

[2:42:21] Trustee Patrick: that so i think thinking of those type of guidance to to staff helps them build the project charter

[2:42:27] Trustee Patrick: to to reflect what what you're you're wanting is there any further discussion on this motion

[2:42:37] Trustee Patrick: um

[2:42:38] Trustee Fenton: just a note you could add to that the guiding sort of paradigm is the fact that we you know it's

[2:42:47] Trustee Fenton: It's Western science, Indigenous knowledge, Indigenous, you know, and tech so that, you know, we build again on right from the get-go alternative ways of thinking.

[2:43:07] Trustee Fenton: And, yeah, so that we don't be afraid of figuring out new ground as we go.

[2:43:12] Trustee Fenton: no

[2:43:14] Trustee Patrick: i think uh i think this is just the nature of having these conversations deeper with first

[2:43:20] Trustee Patrick: nations at the pre-planning phase is a step in such the right direction because that is opening

[2:43:25] Trustee Patrick: the door to say it might be a little different than just the tools that we have in our toolbox

[2:43:30] Trustee Patrick: today so it's wonderful work uh any further discussion i will call the vote then all those

[2:43:39] Trustee Patrick: those in favor aye that's carried wow any other conversations on the shoreline um work i think

[2:43:48] Trustee Patrick: that'll be exciting to get this on to the next stage and i want to thank fellow trustees i think

[2:43:52] Trustee Patrick: we're we are blazing new territory believe it or not on these conversations with uh you know and

[2:44:00] Trustee Patrick: modeling um behavior for other trust uh committees as as uh as we go about our work uh it's interesting

[2:44:08] Trustee Patrick: interesting um through through the round table that's happening now it is subject wise on fresh

[2:44:13] Trustee Patrick: water but it is bringing we have flinro we have others at the table we have developers we have

[2:44:19] Trustee Patrick: uh you know other other parties that are representing different aspects of water that's

[2:44:25] Trustee Patrick: what a round table is you try to get a round view and first nations and cultural uh aspects it's

[2:44:32] Trustee Patrick: it is pretty amazing um but I know it's it's we tend to get so internal about our islands

[2:44:41] Trustee Patrick: and the issues that we're facing and we think that they're so unique and just ours and then

[2:44:47] Trustee Patrick: it's so interesting you know Flynnrow I was talking to Flynnrow yesterday and because it's

[2:44:51] Trustee Patrick: been coming up at the round table some of the islands have said oh our islands so different

[2:44:55] Trustee Patrick: so different so different and Flynnrow was like no they're not yeah so it's good sometimes to

[2:45:01] Trustee Patrick: to get that perspective that the problem that we're facing is sometimes quite the same and

[2:45:07] Trustee Patrick: and that we get far more value when we look at those problems together because we we really

[2:45:15] Trustee Patrick: can bring more resources to the table rather than scrambling to split resources up so thank you for

[2:45:21] Trustee Patrick: having that conversation okay moving on the next thing we have is we've got the trust conservancy

[2:45:28] Trustee Patrick: report here on page 76

[2:45:30] Trustee Patrick: and seeing that Trustee Fenton is a

[2:45:32] Trustee Patrick: member of the Trust Conservancy. Is there anything you wish

[2:45:34] Trustee Patrick: to raise from that report

[2:45:36] Trustee Patrick: to bring to our attention?

[2:45:41] Trustee Fenton: No, it's

[2:45:42] Trustee Fenton: fairly comprehensive in its

[2:45:44] Trustee Fenton: nature.

[2:45:46] Trustee Fenton: The

[2:45:50] Trustee Fenton: staff is now flushed

[2:45:52] Trustee Fenton: out because of the budget now being

[2:45:54] Trustee Fenton: passed and we've certainly got a full round

[2:45:56] Trustee Fenton: of full complement of

[2:45:58] Trustee Fenton: people, so we'll see

[2:45:59] Trustee Fenton: some or at least they're pursuing a student and the coordinator for the SARA program but they're

[2:46:05] Trustee Fenton: so that's going to just they've got a lot of work on their plate so having these players

[2:46:10] Trustee Fenton: in place will make a big difference and then I just looking at the regional you know the

[2:46:16] Trustee Fenton: conservation plan in itself I mean we are already stated as an LTC that we're looking at through

[2:46:23] Trustee Fenton: that lens so that's often a high level sort of easy way of sort of looking at things um

[2:46:31] Trustee Fenton: as you move through these steps um as you you know their their goals are outlined and they provide

[2:46:39] Trustee Fenton: sort of a holistic look at everything we do so it's just an opportunity to reflect and i'll leave

[2:46:45] Trustee Fenton: there thanks thank

[2:46:47] Trustee Patrick: you very much um there's a trustee uh application report none all right

[2:46:55] Trustee Patrick: trustee luck and we're going to share some from salt spring over to thetis here because that's

[2:46:59] Trustee Patrick: not fair um uh there's the expense report um here for your information um and then there's

[2:47:10] Trustee Patrick: the adopted policies and standing resolutions if there's anything there um just a reminder that the

[2:47:16] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee web page i think this is something as especially you know so your

[2:47:21] Trustee Patrick: repairing project is stopped and now that that you're going to start thinking down this road

[2:47:26] Trustee Patrick: of the pre-planning really think about your the community uh your your web page and the information

[2:47:31] Trustee Patrick: that we want to share on that project um because that's something i'm really noticing is it's the

[2:47:37] Trustee Patrick: the social media conversation's difficult

[2:47:38] Trustee Patrick: and it makes it very difficult for us

[2:47:41] Trustee Patrick: to have these strategic conversations with our community

[2:47:44] Trustee Patrick: because stories get going.

[2:47:48] Trustee Patrick: And so I think our local webpage

[2:47:50] Trustee Patrick: is where we need to make sure

[2:47:52] Trustee Patrick: that we keep it accurate, up-to-date

[2:47:54] Trustee Patrick: and have what we want to be shared out there

[2:47:58] Trustee Patrick: so that we can always remind people in the community

[2:48:00] Trustee Patrick: where to go get that information,

[2:48:02] Trustee Patrick: where to find what's happening,

[2:48:04] Trustee Patrick: where are we, what's next

[2:48:06] Trustee Patrick: and to and to be clear about that so i ask the trustees to keep an eye on that information and

[2:48:11] Trustee Patrick: and as you hear the conversations in the community to make sure that we have those answers

[2:48:16] Trustee Patrick: on our website so that we have a a reliable place to send people i think that's important

[2:48:27] Trustee Fenton: just one thought on that is the whole notion that you know a large percentage

[2:48:31] Trustee Fenton: percentage of these population is not necessarily engaged in twitter or instagram they may do

[2:48:38] Trustee Fenton: facebook um and or emails are able to go to the website so i think that there is a certain level

[2:48:46] Trustee Fenton: you know where they're not just engaged necessarily but they're just not part of that conversation so

[2:48:51] Trustee Fenton: the website just is something they can do or somebody will open for them and then they can

[2:48:57] Trustee Fenton: and read it you know as so yeah yeah

[2:49:00] Trustee Patrick: no i think it's it's vital in that we we be we become

[2:49:03] Trustee Patrick: consistent of telling them where to get the information where to go where to find it um

[2:49:08] Trustee Patrick: okay so the top priorities list um we just made that one change to give up the project charter

[2:49:14] Trustee Patrick: is there any other changes to be made i think uh looks good i don't think there's anything that

[2:49:24] Trustee Patrick: has to be done and then there's projects list is there um i had raised that conversation of

[2:49:30] Trustee Patrick: adaptive planning but we can maybe think about that in in terms in the future of um making sure

[2:49:35] Trustee Patrick: we pay attention to that and consist consider um the specialty development permit that's making

[2:49:41] Trustee Patrick: its way through the process of that we keep it current and up to date and check from time to time

[2:49:49] Trustee Patrick: um and we could always add that to the project list when it comes back for adoption or something

[2:49:57] Trustee Patrick: so are we at the end here so our next

[2:50:01] Trustee Patrick: meeting is not till june 1st

[2:50:04] Trustee Patrick: um so is there any other business

[2:50:10] Trustee Luckham: nothing from here no

[2:50:14] Trustee Patrick: so with that um do i have a motion to

[2:50:18] Trustee Patrick: adjourn

[2:50:19] Voice 3: seconded

[2:50:21] Trustee Patrick: by trustee fenton i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carried so

[2:50:27] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, everyone. This is an important meeting

[2:50:29] Trustee Patrick: today. I feel good. Thank you to the

[2:50:31] Trustee Patrick: staff. Thank you for coming.

[2:50:33] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Jamie. It was a pleasure to meet you.

[2:50:38] Trustee Patrick: Marnie Hill

[2:50:39] Trustee Patrick: and we have Sarah in the background there

[2:50:41] Trustee Patrick: taking the notes. Thank you. Good work

[2:50:43] Trustee Patrick: today.

[2:50:46] Trustee Patrick: Thank

[2:50:46] Trustee Luckham: you, everybody. Thank you,

[2:50:47] Trustee Luckham: Laura, for your able support.

[2:50:50] Trustee Patrick: All right. We'll see you guys June

[2:50:52] Trustee Patrick: 1st.

[2:50:54] Trustee Patrick: Bye-bye now.

[2:50:55] Trustee Patrick: Bye-bye.

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Thetis Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
April 13, 2021 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Doug Fenton, Local Trustee 
 Peter Luckham, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Marnie Eggen, Island Planner 
Jaime Dubyna, Island Planner 
Wil Cottingham, Administrative Assistant 
Sarah Shugar, Recorder 
  
Others Present: Lynne Smith, Cowichan Valley Regional District Area G Saltair / Gulf Islands 
Electoral Area Director  
Four members of the public 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change." 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 9:30 am. She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following supplemental item was presented for consideration: 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
  Trustee Fenton presented the following report: 
 Expressed gratitude to live and work in Lyackson and Penelakut territory. 
 Attended Trust Council electronic meetings held March 9 to 11, 2021. 
 Attended an Islands Trust Conservancy meeting. 
 Attended a Trust Programs Committee meeting regarding the Policy review project. 
 

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  Trustee Luckham presented the following report: 
 Expressed gratitude to live and work in Lyackson and Penelakut territory. 
 Attended Transport Canada Oceans Protection Plan forum in February 2021 
regarding marine issues including vessel traffic and anchorages. Trust Council has 
reaffirmed advocacy regarding vessel anchorages as a priority.  
 Attended meetings with the Coastal Douglas-Fir Conservation Partnership.  
 Attended Trust Council electronic meetings held March 9 to 11, 2021.  
 Attended a meeting with Executive Committee and the Bowen Island Municipality 
regarding common interests and concerns. 
 Attended a Community-to-Community meeting with First Nations regarding the 
Ganges Village Area Plan project and other issues of mutual interest. 
 Expressed condolences to the family of Gabriola resident Chris Straw and 
acknowledged his work with the Gabriolans Against Vessel Anchorages. 
 The Dead Boats Society and Salish Sea Industrial Services removed a derelict 
catamaran vessel from Preedy Harbour and will continue work to remove derelict 
vessels. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Patrick reported that she attended Trust Council electronic meetings held March 9 
to 11, 2021. Trust Council affirmed the Islands Trust mandate contained in section 3 
of the Islands Trust Act that includes protection of healthy and inclusive 
communities including housing and transportation. Trustee Patrick expressed support 
for Trustees’ responsibility towards the constituency and the environment.  
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
  Director Smith reported the following: 
 There was a flood at the CRD office located at 175 Ingram Street. Currently the 
office is closed and the reception area has been moved to the Cowichan Community 
Centre. 
 The Thetis Island Wharf, Thetis Island Boat Launch and Thetis Island Solid 
Waste/Recycling services have been added to the CVRD Area G Budget insert this 
year.  The insert is available on the CVRD website.  
 The Province of BC is reviewing the Emergency Program Act.  The new Act will have 
an impact on the CVRD Emergency Program Services. The Emergency Management 
BC (EMBC) Community Emergency Program Self Assessment Tool is available online. 
 Thetis Island has very active volunteer groups that continue to work towards public 
awareness and Hazard Risk and Vulnerability Assessments (HRVA). 
 A CVRD Housing Needs Assessment is available on the CVRD website.  
 There has been no progress regarding the Thetis Island Wharf Grant. Thetis Island 
Wharf Reserve funds will be transferred into the Thetis Island Wharf 2021 budget 
for design costs in the near future. It was noted the window for this project is 
limited due to tides and weather. 
 
The following comments and questions were noted: 
 There was a suggestion to include the Thetis Island Ratepayers Association and 
Thetis Island Fire Department in planning the Thetis Island wharf repair project.  

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 There was a question regarding when the work would begin on the Thetis Island 
Wharf. Director Smith reported the design is in process and will determine the 
schedule for the work. She suggested an inter-agency meeting to address 
emergency services access and marine traffic. 
 There was a question regarding whether construction materials would be stored on 
the wharf. Director Smith reported staff has not provided details regarding the 
storage of construction materials. 
4. TOWN HALL 
 There were no speakers in the town hall portion of the meeting. 
5. MINUTES 
5.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated February 9, 2021 - for Adoption 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of February 9, 2021 
were adopted. 
5.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated March 29, 2021 
  Received. 
5.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none 
6. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
6.1 Follow-up Action List dated April 7, 2021 
  Received. 
7. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
7.1 TH-OTH-2018.1 (Cypress Land Services on behalf of TELUS - 61 Pilkey Point Rd.) – 
Memorandum 
Planner Eggen presented a memorandum dated April 7, 2021 respecting a request from 
the agent for TELUS regarding their 2018 submission to the Federal Ministry of 
Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) for the proposed 22.0 
metre tower with a 4-foot microwave dish at 61 Pilkey Point Rd.  
 
Representatives Chad Marlatt and Nicole Andreescu spoke to the application. 
 
In discussion, the following questions were noted: 
 There was a question regarding public consultation. Representative Chad Marlatt 
reported that previous public consultation included notification of approximately 
twelve neighbours, an open house event, advertisements in the local newspaper, a 
meeting with the Thetis Island Advisory Planning Commission and First Nations 
consultation. 
 There was a question regarding whether any negative responses were received from 
neighbouring properties. Representative Chad Marlatt reported no negative 
responses have been received. 
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no cell service. Representative Chad Marlatt reported the tower would have one 
microwave to back up services to Penelakut Island and Thetis Island.  
 There was a question regarding the construction of the tower. Representative Chad 
Marlatt reported the tower design is small in stature and will be built behind 
existing infrastructure. The base of the tower will be approximately 3 feet across 
and the microwave would be approximately 4 feet across. Planner Eggen presented 
the original proposed site plan and elevation drawing with design specifications as 
provided by the applicant. 
 There was a question regarding whether the tower would have a navigation light 
installed. Representative Chad Marlatt reported a navigation light is not required as 
the trees around the proposed tower are taller than the structure. 
 
TH-2021-007 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee, in consideration of the letter of support 
from Penelakut Band, dated February 23, 2021, request that staff inform the proponent 
for the TELUS communications tower proposal located at 61 Pilkey Point Road, Thetis 
Island: 
a. The Local Trust Committee is satisfied with the Proponent’s public consultation 
process and that the Proponent does not need to undertake further consultation with 
the public or First Nations; 
b. The Local Trust Committee concurs with the TELUS proposal to construct a 
communications tower provided it is constructed substantially in accordance with the 
plans submitted to the Islands Trust, dated July 10, 2018. 
CARRIED 
8. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
8.1 Thetis Island Riparian Areas Protection Regulation Implementation - Staff Report 
Planner Eggen presented a staff report dated March 31, 2021 regarding Thetis Island 
Riparian Areas Protection Regulations 
In discussion, the following questions and comments were noted: 
 There was a question regarding an amendment to subsection 11.1.3 (g) – 
“conducted on the basis of advice from a Qualified Environmental Professional” 
(QEP). Planner Eggen reported the landowner would be required to provide 
documentation that the landowner has consulted with a QEP. 
 There was a suggestion that communications regarding sensitive ecosystem 
protection need to be improved. 
 
TH-2021-008 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 108, cited as “Thetis Island 
Official Community Plan, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” be read a second time. 
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TH-2021-009 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 108, cited as “Thetis Island 
Official Community Plan, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” be read a third time. 
CARRIED 
TH-2021-010 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 108, cited as “Thetis Island 
Official Community Plan, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” be forwarded to the 
Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
TH-2021-011 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee forward Bylaw No. 108, cited as “Thetis 
Island Official Community Plan, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” to the Ministry of 
Municipal Affairs. 
CARRIED 
TH-2021-012 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee amend Bylaw No. 109, cited as “Thetis 
Island Land Use Bylaw, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” as follows: 
a. By deleting the text “in accordance with a restoration plan prepared by Qualified 
Environmental Professional” in subsection 11.1.3 (g) and replacing it with “in 
accordance with best management practices.” 
b. By adding the following information note directly after subsection 11.1.3 Exempted 
Activities: “INFORMATION NOTE: For best management practices on manual 
removal of invasive species and planting of native vegetation, property owners 
should contact organizations such as the Invasive Species Council of British 
Columbia and the Coastal Invasive Species Committee.” 
 CARRIED 
TH-2021-013 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 109, cited as “Thetis Island Land 
Use Bylaw, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” be read a second time, as amended. 
CARRIED 
TH-2021-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 109, cited as “Thetis Island Land 
Use Bylaw, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” be read a third time. 
CARRIED 
TH-2021-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 109, cited as “Thetis Island Land 
Use Bylaw, 2011, Amendment Bylaw No. 1, 2020” be forwarded to the Secretary of the 
Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
 

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By general consent the meeting was recessed at 11:03 a.m. and reconvened at 11:10 a.m. 
9. DELEGATIONS - none 
10. CORRESPONDENCE - none 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Shoreline Protection Options - Memorandum - for discussion 
 Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented a memorandum dated April 1, 2021 
regarding Shoreline Protection Options. 
 In discussion the following comments and questions were noted: 
 The North Pender Island Local Trust Committee has advanced a coastal protection 
project. 
 Support was expressed for the importance of public consultation. 
 The Green Shores stewardship program was suggested as a resource. The CVRD 
Ocean Shoreline Protection Development Permit Area was suggested as a resource. 
It was noted CVRD Bylaw 2500 is the Official Community Plan for Area G Saltair only 
and does not include Area G Gulf Islands. 
 There was a question regarding development potential on shoreline properties. It 
was noted older homes and cottages on existing lots are being replaced by larger 
homes and added infrastructure such as docks. Thetis Island has a development 
potential map dated 2009 and specifies there are 113 lots for potential 
development.  
 K'ómoks First Nation has developed its own permitting process. Hornby Island and 
Denman Island development applications are referred to the K'ómoks First Nation. 
 Thetis Island has a protocol agreement for building permit referrals with the CVRD.  
 There was a suggestion to engage First Nations in the early phases of the project. 
 There was a suggestion that First Nations engagement should prioritize First Nations 
that reside in the local area including Lyackson, Penelakut and the Cowichan 
Alliance.  
TH-2021-016 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee request staff to develop a project charter 
for an information gathering phase of a Shoreline and Coastal Protection Strategy that 
includes First Nations engagement. 
CARRIED 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated January 26, 2021 
  Received. 
12.2 Applications Report - none 

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12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated February 2021 
  Received. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received. 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage - none 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Top Priorities Report dated April 7, 2021 
  Received. 
13.2 Projects List Report dated April 7, 2021 
  Received. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 9:30 am via  - to be 
determined 
The next Regular Meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 9:30 a.m., location 
to be determined. Please check the website at http://www.islandstrust.bc.ca/ for details 
regarding this meeting. 
15. CLOSED MEETING - none 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 12:21 p.m. 
 
 
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Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Sarah Shugar, Recorder